| 00:00.08 | simNIX | that called port forwarding |
| 00:00.08 | akio | port forwarding? |
| 00:00.18 | akio | sure i can do that for one box |
| 00:00.31 | akio | so do the udp port for vpn |
| 00:00.35 | akio | ? |
| 00:00.35 | simNIX | then when you knock from Inet on you modem on that port it links it through |
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| 00:01.04 | simNIX | if you go for vpn you need to map vpn port - yes - if you go with mapping ssh you map ssh port |
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| 00:01.44 | Foskasse | <Red_Khmer_> FUI UM DOS PRIMEIROS A TESTAR O IRC BETA |
| 00:01.59 | Bushmills | akio: http://doc.verhau.de/cgi-bin/dwww?search=openvpn&programsubmit=Search&searchtype=p |
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| 00:02.06 | abrotman | Foskasse: turn that off |
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| 00:02.10 | simNIX | akio; whay do you say you can only port forward one box ? |
| 00:02.10 | Foskasse | <Red_Khmer_> e tinha 212 irc cops a trabalharem para mim |
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| 00:02.16 | Foskasse | abrotman, soz |
| 00:02.17 | Foskasse | :) |
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| 00:03.16 | akio | because my 18$ router can only hold about 15 maps |
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| 00:03.39 | Kevin` | akio: check if it's on the openwrt table of hardware |
| 00:03.42 | simNIX | can it perhaps do ranges ? |
| 00:03.43 | akio | nope |
| 00:03.47 | akio | yes |
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| 00:04.04 | wald0 | what is better ? "discover" or "discover1" ? |
| 00:04.23 | simNIX | who was that yes pointed at - me ? |
| 00:04.25 | abrotman | the one that works with your stuff |
| 00:04.47 | akio | i just set up a machine |
| 00:04.48 | wald0 | teh package hotkey-setup depends of "discover", but i have installed "discover1" that somebody has tell me that is better than "discover"... but "discover" is on the version 2 so... WTF ? |
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| 00:05.43 | akio | i should be able to reach it through the vpn just by calling its hostname? |
| 00:05.51 | Bushmills | wald0: often, without an appended version number means "latest" or "current", and older versions are indicated by the appended version number |
| 00:05.57 | akio | or would i have to type in its ip address? |
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| 00:07.27 | Bushmills | akio: depends on how name is resolved |
| 00:07.28 | wald0 | arf, im very confused |
| 00:08.04 | wald0 | why there's discover (2.0) and discover1 ? they are not the same in a different version ? why there's not only one package that is the more updated/new ? |
| 00:08.13 | Bushmills | akio: vpn doesn't do that. a DNS does that. |
| 00:08.21 | abrotman | shakes his fist at dmwaters |
| 00:08.30 | akio | but the name could be resolved by dyndns? |
| 00:08.41 | Bushmills | akio: yes |
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| 00:10.37 | akio | i saw a function where it appends the hostname for machines on the fly or something |
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| 00:10.44 | Bushmills | i don;t understand what you say |
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| 00:10.46 | akio | i want name resolution |
| 00:10.47 | Bushmills | imagines a hostname dangling on the fly |
| 00:10.47 | akio | but i don't have public ip's for each machine |
| 00:11.08 | Bushmills | akio: you mentioned dyndns already. i said "yes" already. |
| 00:11.28 | Bushmills | over openvpn you use tfc1918 addresses |
| 00:11.32 | Bushmills | you LAN addresses |
| 00:11.42 | Bushmills | rfc1918... |
| 00:11.44 | akio | 192. yadayada |
| 00:11.53 | Bushmills | yes |
| 00:11.56 | Bushmills | or 10.x.x.x |
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| 00:12.43 | akio | i know that my router wont just automagically know which machine a packet needs to go to |
| 00:12.45 | Bushmills | from remote, you need just one single ip address to connect to, on one single port. |
| 00:12.51 | akio | by hostname |
| 00:13.08 | Bushmills | your router doesn't matter. it will be invisible to openvpn traffic |
| 00:13.40 | akio | but with the vpn i wont have name resolution on these hosts |
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| 00:14.19 | akio | dyndns only sees my public ip |
| 00:14.20 | Bushmills | openvpn creates an encrypted tunnel between the openvpn machine on your LAN and your outside machine, a virtual network cable |
| 00:14.37 | akio | right |
| 00:15.06 | akio | i use hamachi and dyndns without thinking about it on windows machines |
| 00:15.06 | Bushmills | everything in between, including your router, your provider's routers, all hops. are "outside" of your virtual network cable. |
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| 00:15.31 | akio | right |
| 00:15.36 | akio | thats why its called a tunnel |
| 00:15.45 | Bushmills | so your outside machine behaves as it was connected to a switch on your LAN. on the *inside* |
| 00:15.54 | akio | right |
| 00:16.14 | akio | i use cifs between win boxes over hamachi, i get it |
| 00:16.22 | Bushmills | the only reason your public ip must be resolved is that the tunnel can be established |
| 00:16.34 | akio | but is there a way to do that with name resolution? |
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| 00:16.59 | akio | could you rephrase that? |
| 00:17.02 | Bushmills | i'm not repeating what has been repeated already |
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| 00:17.32 | akio | sorry if it seems like im not listening, but i am |
| 00:17.35 | Bushmills | while you came up with the solution yourself |
| 00:19.00 | akio | i think i get it, the hostnames will be resolved through the vpn? |
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| 00:19.24 | Bushmills | just read back |
| 00:19.29 | akio | k |
| 00:19.35 | akio | I'll ponder a bit |
| 00:19.57 | akio | thanks |
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| 00:24.56 | akio | Bushmills: |
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| 00:25.19 | akio | i went to save the transcript and xchat crapped out, could you upload the paste? |
| 00:25.26 | Bushmills | akio: check this: traceroute twice to the same host. once over normal internet, once through vpn: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1215649453909483751.png |
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| 00:27.57 | Bushmills | akio: http://forthfreak.net/debian.html channel log |
| 00:28.19 | litage | what could cause grep to not match a string that's definitely in a file?: http://pastie.org/231165 |
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| 00:28.30 | akio | thanks |
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| 00:29.14 | akio | so i would have a vpn client on every machine i wanted to connect from |
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| 00:29.49 | Bushmills | or on the gateway |
| 00:30.09 | akio | fat chance for the gateway though |
| 00:30.10 | KlrSpz | hey guyhey guys, i have my HTPC hooked up to my receiver (AVR), but when i turn it on w/o my AVR being on, the video card doesn't enable... I've been able to kill X and it detects it as it reactivates nvidia's driver, but I have to then log in (I have auto-login enabled)... how would i possibly get it to do this without requiring a new login.. i don't mind killing GDM/X, but don't want to have to log in ever.. I've attempte |
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| 00:30.28 | akio | ? |
| 00:30.31 | akio | what was that? |
| 00:30.40 | Bushmills | just any machine on the lan, call it "gateway" then |
| 00:30.55 | akio | xchat is acting weird |
| 00:34.07 | Bushmills | just as you don't need an dsl modem on every machine on your lan to allow them to connect to internet, you don't need a vpn daemon on every machine on your lan to send/receive through the vpn. one machine is enough, if the others know that they should use it as gateway. |
| 00:34.37 | akio | i meant the remote machine |
| 00:34.55 | akio | "to connect from" |
| 00:35.21 | Bushmills | are the remotes on the same network? or different locations? |
| 00:35.31 | akio | different locations |
| 00:35.50 | Bushmills | ah. yes. each location one vpn machine |
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| 00:36.00 | Bushmills | or have a notebook |
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| 00:36.22 | Bushmills | just connect to internet, and bingo, connected to home LAN |
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| 00:36.38 | KlrSpz | this is f-ing annoying |
| 00:36.42 | KlrSpz | i can't figure this out |
| 00:36.56 | KlrSpz | and for some reason i can't ssh into myself to possibly execute a remote command |
| 00:36.59 | KlrSpz | "remote" |
| 00:37.11 | abrotman | ssh localhost fails ? |
| 00:37.14 | abrotman | what's the error ? |
| 00:37.19 | KlrSpz | Connection Refused |
| 00:37.30 | KlrSpz | i was just trying to "hack" this into working |
| 00:37.32 | Bushmills | KlrSpz: try to ssh to your computer, instead of into yourself |
| 00:37.34 | KlrSpz | did you read my issue? |
| 00:37.54 | Wyzard | KlrSpz: Do you actually have sshd running on your system? |
| 00:37.59 | abrotman | KlrSpz: netstat -an | grep 21 .. paste it in a pastebin |
| 00:38.01 | KlrSpz | ah there it goes |
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| 00:38.07 | Bushmills | 22 |
| 00:38.09 | KlrSpz | yeah, i'm ssh'd in right now from a real remote box |
| 00:38.14 | KlrSpz | and yueah, it runs on 22 |
| 00:38.20 | KlrSpz | ok it works via ip |
| 00:38.25 | KlrSpz | i guess it's only listening on the external interface |
| 00:38.33 | KlrSpz | np, now lemme try "hacking" this again |
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| 00:39.16 | Bushmills | KlrSpz: firewall running? iptables? |
| 00:39.19 | KlrSpz | nope |
| 00:39.41 | KlrSpz | ah, it's actually set to listen on the IP alone |
| 00:39.47 | KlrSpz | instead of 0.0.0.0 |
| 00:40.06 | KlrSpz | i think i did that so it'll only connect via the lan |
| 00:40.11 | abrotman | KlrSpz: are you ssh to your own IP or your lo ? |
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| 00:40.50 | KlrSpz | \well remotely i ssh'd into via the netbios name that samba is broadcasting... when i was ssh'd in, i tried to re-ssh into myself via lo, which failed, now i tried the IP and it works |
| 00:40.50 | KlrSpz | that's not the issue anymjore |
| 00:40.55 | KlrSpz | the real issue is what i originally posted :S |
| 00:40.59 | KlrSpz | hey guyhey guys, i have my HTPC hooked up to my receiver (AVR), but when i turn it on w/o my AVR being on, the video card doesn't enable... I've been able to kill X and it detects it as it reactivates nvidia's driver, but I have to then log in (I have auto-login enabled)... how would i possibly get it to do this without requiring a new login.. i don't mind killing GDM/X, but don't want to have to log in ever.. I've attempte |
| 00:41.09 | abrotman | i'd guess the sshd isn't binding to the lo address .. only to eth0 |
| 00:41.13 | KlrSpz | right |
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| 00:45.20 | KlrSpz | ah screw it for now.. i'm hungry |
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| 00:58.15 | Nyle | abrotman, whats up |
| 00:58.20 | Nyle | abrotman, no answer in offtopic? |
| 01:00.20 | jetscreamer | waves@Nyle |
| 01:00.26 | Nyle | jetscreamer, hi |
| 01:01.27 | Nyle | jetscreamer, whats up |
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| 01:03.19 | jetscreamer | finally got replacement ram for my desktop |
| 01:03.24 | Nyle | word |
| 01:03.35 | Nyle | im thinking about moving to houston |
| 01:03.36 | jetscreamer | other than that, ssdd |
| 01:03.38 | Nyle | seriously |
| 01:03.44 | jetscreamer | ok |
| 01:03.48 | Nyle | i can buy a house for much cheaper |
| 01:03.52 | Nyle | nyc is way too expensive |
| 01:03.58 | Nyle | I just wanna get a nice lil 3-4 bed room house |
| 01:04.12 | Nyle | nice lil 9-5 job |
| 01:04.20 | Nyle | right now im having to work a lot, nyc sucks |
| 01:04.23 | Nyle | too fucking busy |
| 01:04.25 | TicK | houses are cheap in texas |
| 01:04.28 | TicK | go for it |
| 01:04.31 | Nyle | yup |
| 01:04.37 | TicK | tho i think i heard they make up for it in property taxes |
| 01:04.38 | Nyle | im from batonrouge louisiana |
| 01:04.44 | Nyle | so i love the south |
| 01:04.58 | Nyle | fuckin hate northern people, they are mostly assholes and pricks |
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| 01:05.08 | Nyle | especially ones from new york |
| 01:05.12 | Nyle | oof, animals |
| 01:05.17 | TicK | after graduating, i wish i had done some cost-of-living research before i started working for the company i currently work for |
| 01:05.30 | TicK | now i bought a house in this area ... so i'm stuck |
| 01:05.35 | Nyle | TicK, I started my own company this year |
| 01:05.40 | Nyle | IT consulting, doing pretty good |
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| 01:05.52 | Nyle | I do part time sys admin work for a large company |
| 01:05.54 | TicK | i don't think i can run a company |
| 01:05.59 | Nyle | my main time is spent on my company |
| 01:06.01 | TicK | everything is on you |
| 01:06.04 | Nyle | exactly |
| 01:06.12 | Nyle | I like bieng in charge, telling people what to do |
| 01:06.15 | abrotman | !ot |
| 01:06.15 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 01:06.17 | Nyle | i fucking hate working for people |
| 01:06.26 | Nyle | abrotman, ask a debians upport question please. |
| 01:06.32 | Nyle | ot will stop promptly. |
| 01:06.48 | Nyle | I assure you. |
| 01:06.51 | abrotman | just because there isn't support chatter .. doesn't mean you get to talk about whatever you want |
| 01:07.01 | Nyle | why not? |
| 01:07.06 | Nyle | please explain |
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| 01:07.15 | abrotman | keep it ontopic .. don't argue |
| 01:07.15 | Nyle | I don't see the harm in it |
| 01:07.34 | Nyle | so basically you're hiding behind @, not logic or reason. |
| 01:07.37 | Nyle | fantastic |
| 01:07.47 | Nyle | well you're op and you can kick whenever whoever you want |
| 01:07.55 | Nyle | so i suppose its best to not try to reason with your insanisty |
| 01:08.03 | avu | IRC isn't a democracy. you don't have to understand the rules. |
| 01:08.28 | abrotman | there's a topic that asks you to use #debian-offtopic |
| 01:08.28 | Nyle | yeh.. as i thought. Brown nose. |
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| 01:08.47 | infinitycircuit | i just installed a new ati radeon hd 3650 but when i try to start X with vesa, radeonhd, ati, and fglrx it always says "(WW) ****INVALID MEM ALLOCATION**** b: 0xd0000000 e: 0xd0000000 correcting" and fails |
| 01:08.49 | Nyle | you're absolutely RIGHT! |
| 01:08.54 | Nyle | I'm so wrong.! word, enjoy. |
| 01:08.57 | infinitycircuit | is this likely a motherboard or video card problem or neiether? |
| 01:09.09 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, which debian release? |
| 01:09.14 | infinitycircuit | Nyle: sid |
| 01:09.19 | avu | infinitycircuit, might just be a problem with the drivers |
| 01:09.24 | Nyle | driver issue |
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| 01:09.25 | infinitycircuit | with all four? |
| 01:09.26 | avu | infinitycircuit, have you checked the BTS? |
| 01:09.27 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any way to list hidden x windows, or just all x windows? I seem to have random disappearing windows under KDE |
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| 01:09.30 | infinitycircuit | this is an older card thats well supported |
| 01:09.31 | Nyle | or perhaps an dorg issue |
| 01:09.37 | Nyle | xorg* |
| 01:09.43 | abrotman | well supported by what? |
| 01:10.14 | infinitycircuit | fglrx and the ati drivers, from what i can tell |
| 01:11.49 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, yeh it happens to me sometimes too |
| 01:11.56 | Nyle | i just kill the damn pid and restart the app |
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| 01:12.04 | Nyle | its fuckedup but im= too lazy to try and figure it otu |
| 01:12.09 | PhrkOnLsh | Shoot, I had unsaved work on some of those, though |
| 01:12.10 | PhrkOnLsh | oh wells |
| 01:12.10 | abrotman | PhrkOnLsh: isn't there a "window list" applet of some sort ? |
| 01:12.20 | PhrkOnLsh | abrotman: I dunno, I guess that's what I'm asking |
| 01:12.24 | Nyle | nah that doesnt work either |
| 01:12.27 | PhrkOnLsh | I don't use a taskbar in kicker |
| 01:12.33 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, i don't either |
| 01:12.39 | jetscreamer | hey i need a working example of an ati/radeon or fglrx or both xorg.conf with the tv out enabled |
| 01:12.49 | PhrkOnLsh | hi |
| 01:12.52 | Nyle | kcontrol >desktop > behaviour, desktop right click menu == make it window list menu |
| 01:12.55 | PhrkOnLsh | wrong windoe |
| 01:13.01 | Nyle | still your window wouldn't sohw |
| 01:13.07 | Nyle | add a window list button to your kicker |
| 01:13.10 | Nyle | it still won't show |
| 01:13.17 | Nyle | thats the bullshit behind it |
| 01:13.27 | PhrkOnLsh | well, I can't add an applets cause that window just went bye bye |
| 01:13.35 | abrotman | jetscreamer: #ati maybe ? |
| 01:13.42 | jello | Nyle: xlsclients ? |
| 01:13.54 | Nyle | jello, I don't know what that is |
| 01:14.02 | jello | Nyle: read the manpage? |
| 01:14.17 | PhrkOnLsh | oh, nice, jello |
| 01:14.18 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:14.18 | PhrkOnLsh | thank |
| 01:14.19 | Nyle | nice |
| 01:14.21 | PhrkOnLsh | you |
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| 01:14.25 | Nyle | !jello++ |
| 01:14.39 | Nyle | pokes jello and watches him jiggle |
| 01:14.41 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:14.49 | PhrkOnLsh | :OJello's not fat! |
| 01:14.51 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i seriously never thought of that :/ |
| 01:14.59 | jetscreamer | good idea |
| 01:15.03 | Nyle | jetscreamer, isn't he a great help |
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| 01:15.21 | Nyle | I would never have thought of going to #radeon or #ati for help |
| 01:15.24 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:15.36 | Nyle | pokes jetscreamer too |
| 01:15.43 | Nyle | you tool! use the right channel |
| 01:15.59 | PhrkOnLsh | You tell em |
| 01:16.09 | PhrkOnLsh | I guess we should go bitch about KDE in #kde though :B |
| 01:16.14 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:16.15 | Nyle | lets go |
| 01:16.18 | Nyle | im alrady there |
| 01:16.22 | abrotman | or #debian-kde ? |
| 01:16.25 | PhrkOnLsh | I'm done bitching :) xlsclients works nicely |
| 01:16.30 | Nyle | heh :) |
| 01:16.38 | Nyle | I try to localize kde in urdu to |
| 01:16.42 | Nyle | I can't bitch at em |
| 01:16.45 | Nyle | I love kde |
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| 01:16.56 | Corkster | I hate kde |
| 01:17.01 | PhrkOnLsh | I can't figure out why the add applet to panel button doesn't work, but, men |
| 01:17.04 | Nyle | well kde probably hates you :)_ |
| 01:17.06 | PhrkOnLsh | Corkster: Boo |
| 01:17.06 | Corkster | I love cake ! |
| 01:17.13 | Nyle | I also love cake |
| 01:17.15 | jello | !start an wm war |
| 01:17.22 | jello | !start a wm war |
| 01:17.23 | dpkg | KDE bites! |
| 01:17.29 | Corkster | flubox > * |
| 01:17.29 | PhrkOnLsh | :o |
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| 01:17.33 | jello | !start a wm war |
| 01:17.34 | dpkg | fluxbox blows chunks! |
| 01:17.36 | Nyle | w != vowel |
| 01:17.45 | PhrkOnLsh | KDE bites other wms and sucks their blood |
| 01:17.57 | Corkster | fluxbox is the mother of all window managers ruler of the WORLD !! |
| 01:17.58 | Nyle | kde4 |
| 01:18.09 | Nyle | I can't wait for debian sid to get it in |
| 01:18.16 | Nyle | at least 4.1 or soemthing |
| 01:18.24 | Nyle | I think it still in experimental |
| 01:18.32 | Corkster | kde4 wont run without crashin longer than an hour :) |
| 01:18.35 | jello | yes, it is |
| 01:18.52 | PhrkOnLsh | restarting x-server... :/ |
| 01:18.59 | Nyle | wait |
| 01:19.08 | Nyle | jello is not the same guy as jello-home |
| 01:19.12 | Nyle | jelly-home or jelly |
| 01:19.21 | Nyle | oh its a new jello hey cool |
| 01:19.25 | Nyle | jello, whats up! |
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| 01:19.40 | jello | for some definition of new... |
| 01:19.47 | Nyle | new to me |
| 01:19.49 | Nyle | :) |
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| 01:21.09 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, at a glace the beginning of your nickname looks like pork |
| 01:21.31 | PhrkOnLsh | lol, nope |
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| 01:21.39 | PhrkOnLsh | Pork On A Leash :B |
| 01:21.43 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:21.54 | Nyle | freak on a leash i think was a korn song |
| 01:21.58 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, hey join #music |
| 01:22.13 | Nyle | please |
| 01:22.15 | PhrkOnLsh | do they have snacks? |
| 01:22.16 | xsdg | Nyle: indeed it was |
| 01:22.20 | Nyle | yes they do |
| 01:22.25 | PhrkOnLsh | suweet |
| 01:22.29 | Nyle | xsdg, you too man join #music too we can talk about korn and have snacks |
| 01:22.44 | xsdg | I can't handle any more channels, unfortunately |
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| 01:22.53 | Nyle | aww |
| 01:23.00 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: :B |
| 01:24.25 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, hey |
| 01:24.27 | Nyle | where did you go |
| 01:24.27 | Nyle | ? |
| 01:24.29 | jetscreamer | i know what you mean, i'm on like 23 or so |
| 01:24.41 | Nyle | jetscreamer, oof! |
| 01:24.50 | PhrkOnLsh | looks like this a bug with Compiz |
| 01:24.53 | jetscreamer | lots are inactive now |
| 01:24.54 | Nyle | jetscreamer, pick up your phone |
| 01:24.56 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 01:24.58 | jetscreamer | nono |
| 01:25.01 | jetscreamer | busy |
| 01:25.01 | Nyle | yes yes |
| 01:25.02 | jetscreamer | later |
| 01:25.04 | PhrkOnLsh | Window list applet still lists the windows, though the expose doesnt |
| 01:25.06 | Nyle | ok call me later |
| 01:25.12 | jetscreamer | k |
| 01:25.15 | Nyle | i wanna tlak some stuff about stuff |
| 01:25.16 | Nyle | cool |
| 01:25.22 | jetscreamer | i thought about it yesterday or the day before ;0 |
| 01:25.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:25.29 | Nyle | you da man |
| 01:25.52 | jetscreamer | bbl |
| 01:25.57 | Nyle | ok |
| 01:25.59 | jetscreamer | actually |
| 01:26.01 | jetscreamer | brb |
| 01:26.02 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, get back in |
| 01:26.12 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: you told me to shut up :) I'm hrt |
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| 01:26.15 | PhrkOnLsh | hurt, as well |
| 01:26.17 | Nyle | haha :) |
| 01:26.24 | Nyle | i was lovingly playfuling |
| 01:26.51 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, you on compiz fusion and kde? |
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| 01:27.51 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah |
| 01:27.54 | PhrkOnLsh | foudn the issue |
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| 01:28.08 | PhrkOnLsh | when expose is open and I click the desktop all the windows disappear |
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| 01:28.18 | PhrkOnLsh | so it does, technically, show desktop :B |
| 01:28.34 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:28.50 | Nyle | you mean the ahh yeh it happens too... wait a fucking minute |
| 01:28.55 | Nyle | why doesn't it show up onmy window list menu then? |
| 01:29.01 | PhrkOnLsh | Hmmm |
| 01:29.05 | PhrkOnLsh | I still have mine <_< |
| 01:29.08 | Nyle | (it doesn't happen with kde apps btw) |
| 01:29.23 | Nyle | for example, mysql-admin or iceweasel or some gtk2 app will disappear |
| 01:29.38 | Nyle | i can't see it in menu entries or anything, or window list, taskbar nothing.. but pid is active |
| 01:29.45 | Nyle | but i'll try to use what jello said about |
| 01:29.53 | Nyle | xlsclients |
| 01:30.01 | Nyle | next time it happens |
| 01:30.16 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, hey wanna see some debian wallpapers I made? |
| 01:30.22 | PhrkOnLsh | sure |
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| 01:30.33 | Nyle | http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/index.php |
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| 01:31.04 | Nyle | tell me what you think of em |
| 01:31.10 | Nyle | you can also post comments on my gallery |
| 01:31.13 | Nyle | and rate |
| 01:31.25 | PhrkOnLsh | nice theme |
| 01:31.27 | Nyle | im trying to learn gimp and next gonna try blender |
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| 01:31.58 | Nyle | i like the orange sunburst |
| 01:32.01 | Nyle | thats my favorite |
| 01:32.03 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah |
| 01:32.04 | PhrkOnLsh | nice |
| 01:32.28 | PhrkOnLsh | /usr/share/images/desktop-base/debian-blueish-wallpaper.svg <-- mine |
| 01:32.44 | Nyle | ahh |
| 01:32.45 | PhrkOnLsh | matches my moreblue login and background |
| 01:32.49 | Nyle | cool |
| 01:32.52 | PhrkOnLsh | damn sexeh |
| 01:33.01 | Nyle | I'm learning about bump mapping right now |
| 01:33.02 | PhrkOnLsh | I think I may switch to a red and black theme soon, though |
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| 01:33.15 | Nyle | I love red/blue/black/green |
| 01:33.24 | PhrkOnLsh | lol, this disappearing window bullshit is pissing me off |
| 01:33.33 | Nyle | the scale plugin does it too |
| 01:33.34 | PhrkOnLsh | fires up compiz-config looking for settings to yell at |
| 01:33.46 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, #compiz-confusion |
| 01:33.47 | Nyle | oops |
| 01:33.51 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, #compiz-fusion |
| 01:33.51 | PhrkOnLsh | xD |
| 01:33.52 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:34.08 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah last time Iw as in there they bitched about debian's packages must being broken or sth |
| 01:34.13 | PhrkOnLsh | and didn't try to help me |
| 01:34.31 | Nyle | thats why you gotta learn to help yourself as much as possible |
| 01:34.47 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah, the scale plugin is where the but is |
| 01:34.51 | Nyle | i think #debian is one of the only place you find good help (imo) |
| 01:34.56 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: I've got this far, haven't I? :B |
| 01:35.02 | Nyle | you da man! |
| 01:35.26 | Nyle | the scale plugin makes all windows disappear if you click anywher eon the desktop while the windows are all scaled |
| 01:35.29 | PhrkOnLsh | unclicks click desktop to show desktop option and smiles |
| 01:35.40 | PhrkOnLsh | in compiz-config-manager |
| 01:35.43 | Nyle | word |
| 01:35.43 | PhrkOnLsh | ccsm rather |
| 01:35.59 | Nyle | you like my coppermine theme |
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| 01:36.06 | Nyle | its called fruity, comes with coppermine |
| 01:36.10 | PhrkOnLsh | I wish clicking the desktop would simply cancle the scaling, instead of making me mouse all the way to the top |
| 01:36.12 | Nyle | bright colors are nice I like them |
| 01:36.20 | Nyle | I'm like a little baby, I like nice shiny bright things ;) |
| 01:36.35 | enouf | burps Nyle |
| 01:36.38 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, you should be able to change that |
| 01:36.49 | Nyle | entro, that means you at me at some point, damn baby eater |
| 01:36.55 | Nyle | enouf, * |
| 01:37.01 | Nyle | ate* |
| 01:37.11 | Nyle | like the chinese fetus soup |
| 01:37.16 | Nyle | ugh. |
| 01:37.16 | enouf | try engrish next time O_o |
| 01:38.02 | PhrkOnLsh | realizes that clicking does dismiss the scale :B |
| 01:38.05 | PhrkOnLsh | !coffee |
| 01:38.05 | dpkg | i guess coffee is the reason the net exists, the drug of choice for a GNU generation, http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, geiseri's favorite beverage, smells better than it tastes |
| 01:38.16 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, in a opposite way then you want |
| 01:38.17 | Nyle | haha |
| 01:38.27 | PhrkOnLsh | LOL |
| 01:38.28 | Nyle | caffeine |
| 01:38.30 | Nyle | speed |
| 01:38.35 | Nyle | the drug of choice of america |
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| 01:38.51 | Nyle | coffee, redbull, energy drinks, NOS, full throttle, you name it |
| 01:38.59 | Nyle | you like speed, this country got plenty of it |
| 01:39.01 | Nyle | over the counter |
| 01:39.05 | Nyle | but thats neither here nor there |
| 01:39.06 | PhrkOnLsh | needs to change his remote-irssi script's libnotify delay.. <_< |
| 01:39.15 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, ahh irssi man!nice |
| 01:39.21 | PhrkOnLsh | having it sit there for a minute when I have the irssi window open bugs me |
| 01:39.23 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, you use any special themes? |
| 01:39.31 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: yeah, pandemonioum |
| 01:39.34 | Nyle | links me? |
| 01:39.47 | PhrkOnLsh | sec... |
| 01:39.52 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, I use a self modified sux.theme |
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| 01:40.26 | Nyle | http://irssi.org/themefiles/pandemonium.png |
| 01:40.27 | Nyle | nm i got it |
| 01:40.35 | Nyle | damn that too red |
| 01:40.40 | PhrkOnLsh | lol |
| 01:40.53 | PhrkOnLsh | I have konsole use a green font as standard font |
| 01:40.56 | PhrkOnLsh | sec, I'll show you |
| 01:40.56 | Nyle | ok |
| 01:40.57 | Nyle | here |
| 01:41.00 | Nyle | let me show my mine |
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| 01:42.18 | PhrkOnLsh | I'll show y9ou mine if you show me yours :B |
| 01:42.31 | PhrkOnLsh | http://wanton.dyndns.org/gallery/v/Screenshots/pandemonium.png.html |
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| 01:43.41 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=0 |
| 01:44.35 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, your image doesn't display on konqueror |
| 01:44.40 | Nyle | nm |
| 01:44.41 | Nyle | here it goes |
| 01:44.56 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: you need mod-rewrite |
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| 01:45.07 | Nyle | why? |
| 01:45.32 | PhrkOnLsh | So those links are shiny-nice :) |
| 01:45.44 | PhrkOnLsh | no one likes php arguments. ;) |
| 01:45.45 | Nyle | what links |
| 01:45.48 | grul | uh, it's the server that needs mod-rewrite |
| 01:45.49 | Nyle | o |
| 01:46.06 | grul | and it has it |
| 01:46.13 | PhrkOnLsh | grul: yeah, and for Nyle's server he should setup gallery to use mod-rewrite. |
| 01:46.25 | grul | oh |
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| 01:46.53 | PhrkOnLsh | http://wanton.dyndns.org/gallery/v/Screenshots/pandemonium.png.html versus http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=0 |
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| 01:47.36 | Nyle | I like it the way it is |
| 01:47.40 | grul | the ".png.html" makes me twitch, but otherwise it's nice |
| 01:47.47 | Nyle | grul, me too |
| 01:47.53 | Nyle | I think my URL is just fine |
| 01:47.58 | PhrkOnLsh | meh |
| 01:47.59 | Nyle | I think PhrkOnLsh has a pet peeves |
| 01:47.59 | PhrkOnLsh | to each his own |
| 01:48.02 | Nyle | asshole :) |
| 01:48.08 | PhrkOnLsh | shits |
| 01:48.11 | Nyle | ew! |
| 01:48.16 | Nyle | you sick twisted man! |
| 01:48.23 | grul | s/man/asshole/ |
| 01:48.33 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:48.35 | PhrkOnLsh | turns on compiz rain effects |
| 01:48.39 | Nyle | too |
| 01:48.44 | Nyle | shift + f9 |
| 01:48.46 | grul | now THAT is twisted |
| 01:48.46 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:48.54 | Nyle | raid is nice |
| 01:49.06 | Nyle | I don't like the cube though I think the cube is highly overrated |
| 01:49.14 | PhrkOnLsh | Eh, it's ok |
| 01:49.17 | PhrkOnLsh | I rarely use it |
| 01:49.17 | Nyle | I like the desktop wall with nice slow animation |
| 01:49.31 | PhrkOnLsh | I use cube when my windows friends come over, but that's all |
| 01:49.35 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:49.36 | Nyle | same here |
| 01:49.38 | grul | I like fluxbox :( |
| 01:49.40 | PhrkOnLsh | has a six sided cube :B |
| 01:49.46 | Nyle | grul, you suck! |
| 01:49.50 | PhrkOnLsh | I use fluxbox when I log in as root |
| 01:49.54 | Nyle | i like fluxbox too |
| 01:50.02 | grul | fluxbox is serious business |
| 01:50.03 | Nyle | I like the tabs on it |
| 01:50.14 | Nyle | Azar likes openbox and swears by it |
| 01:50.22 | Nyle | i use bblean or bb4win on xp |
| 01:50.30 | PhrkOnLsh | I should port compiz to use aalib :B |
| 01:50.32 | Nyle | and fluxbox on my etch machine, kde on my mian desktop |
| 01:50.36 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, why? |
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| 01:50.46 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: why not? shouldn't console look sexy too? |
| 01:50.56 | Nyle | no |
| 01:51.00 | Nyle | leave console the fuck alone :) |
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| 01:51.02 | rsk | oh wow, what an idea. |
| 01:51.08 | PhrkOnLsh | lol |
| 01:51.10 | grul | that would be... I'm not sure |
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| 01:51.13 | Nyle | lest you have the wrath of the chief special zealot upon thy head |
| 01:51.16 | rsk | spinning v'ts muthafakka! |
| 01:51.17 | rsk | _D |
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| 01:51.26 | PhrkOnLsh | :) rsk |
| 01:51.34 | PhrkOnLsh | Rain effect? anyone? |
| 01:51.45 | Nyle | whats the difference between rsk rsk and tsk tsk |
| 01:51.50 | rsk | what about transparency |
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| 01:52.10 | trakinas | hello guys! Im trying to install kde4 following http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html, but apt tells me there are not satisfied dependences. |
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| 01:52.26 | abrotman | trakinas: ask #debian-kde |
| 01:52.36 | Nyle | trakinas, to use kde4 it is advised to wait, and/or try kubuntu |
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| 01:52.46 | Nyle | trakinas, in debian it is still a pain to get kde4 to work right |
| 01:52.52 | trakinas | Nyle, thanks! |
| 01:53.04 | rsk | !kde4 |
| 01:53.05 | dpkg | somebody said kde 4 was a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 01:53.23 | trakinas | rsk, i think i prefer to try gentoo, instead. |
| 01:53.25 | trakinas | hehe |
| 01:53.34 | Nyle | !gentoosmite trakinas |
| 01:53.35 | dpkg | spends 7 days recompiling trakinas, and when it's all done, trakinas runs no faster than previously |
| 01:53.49 | Nyle | awe.. 0.0001% faster was funnier |
| 01:53.51 | trakinas | i like gentoo |
| 01:53.55 | Nyle | who fucked with this factoid |
| 01:53.56 | Nyle | damit |
| 01:54.07 | abrotman | it's random |
| 01:54.09 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:54.11 | trakinas | gentoo and debian shares my heart |
| 01:54.17 | trakinas | seriously |
| 01:54.20 | Nyle | !literal gentoosmite |
| 01:54.28 | Nyle | bah w/e |
| 01:54.29 | trakinas | they are my favourite distros. |
| 01:54.31 | jbinder | Yay! It's grabass time everyone! |
| 01:54.34 | jbinder | ... |
| 01:54.40 | Nyle | jbinder, no :) |
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| 01:54.44 | Nyle | stay away! |
| 01:54.46 | trakinas | anyway... |
| 01:54.52 | Nyle | trakinas, thats fantastic |
| 01:54.52 | PhrkOnLsh | Debian alone is where my soul lies |
| 01:55.14 | PhrkOnLsh | grabasses Nyle and then tries to get this channel back into shape |
| 01:55.21 | PhrkOnLsh | I think we're a bit OT ;) |
| 01:55.22 | grul | an hour ago I changed the settings of my virtual desktops so irc is on all desktops. my productivity decreased by 100% :( |
| 01:55.27 | Nyle | trakinas, I find anything besides openbsd, debian, windows xp pro x64 to be a waste of a desktop computer |
| 01:55.36 | Nyle | grul, haha |
| 01:55.41 | trakinas | funny thing is that the first time i tried gentoo was a member of debian-br who suggested me. |
| 01:55.43 | PhrkOnLsh | And even then, taht last one leaves a lot to want |
| 01:55.50 | Nyle | trakinas, really |
| 01:55.52 | Nyle | cool |
| 01:55.53 | jbinder | Yay! It's grabass time everyone! |
| 01:56.10 | Nyle | trakinas, I was recommended gentoo by nobody |
| 01:56.12 | Nyle | and guess what |
| 01:56.17 | Nyle | I don't even use gentoo! |
| 01:56.31 | trakinas | Nyle, np. like we say here, what about the green with everyone liked blue |
| 01:56.35 | PhrkOnLsh | has a gentoo tee shirt, even though he's never touched it |
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| 01:56.47 | Nyle | trakinas, exactly |
| 01:56.54 | Nyle | trakinas, as I like to quote Confucious |
| 01:57.05 | Nyle | "Everything has beauty, but not everyone can see it." |
| 01:57.07 | PhrkOnLsh | well, I never touched gentoo, I wear the tee cause it's cool and linux-y |
| 01:57.08 | Nyle | ;) |
| 01:57.20 | trakinas | okay. end discussion |
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| 01:57.35 | Nyle | trakinas, so you gonna go with what? |
| 01:57.45 | Nyle | kubuntu for kde4 or try to get it to work in debian? or use gentoo? |
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| 01:58.01 | Nyle | because switching a distro for kde4 at this time is not advised by me |
| 01:58.17 | Nyle | kde4 is incomplete, and still unstable (crashes a lot) |
| 01:58.20 | PhrkOnLsh | Does anyone know of a nice dark red and black themed debian wallpapaer? |
| 01:58.24 | trakinas | Nyle, try to set it up on debian, though i think it will be a pain in the arse |
| 01:58.29 | Nyle | it will be |
| 01:58.36 | Nyle | you can check it out through a kubuntu live cd |
| 01:58.45 | PhrkOnLsh | KDe4 is a developer's plyground right now, trakinas I hop you aren't planin gon using it as your primary |
| 01:58.48 | Nyle | if you think you want to use it as a everyday desktop after that, you got balls. |
| 01:58.49 | Nyle | :) |
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| 01:59.10 | trakinas | Nyle, so i think im gonna install kde3 anyway. im just kind of tired of gnome and dont want to use e17 right now. |
| 01:59.16 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:59.27 | Nyle | fuck gnome and e17 and what not |
| 01:59.29 | jbinder | Yay! It's grabass time everyone! |
| 01:59.29 | trakinas | Nyle, lol. |
| 01:59.33 | Nyle | install kdek and rejoice ;) |
| 01:59.40 | Nyle | jbinder, dude... whats with you |
| 01:59.45 | abrotman | jbinder: knock it off |
| 01:59.48 | jbinder | Nyle: Someone is attached to my screen |
| 01:59.48 | Nyle | stay away from my ass, seriously. |
| 02:00.01 | jbinder | and typing shit |
| 02:00.32 | PhrkOnLsh | jbinder: close down vnc? |
| 02:00.42 | PhrkOnLsh | jbinder: Close down IRC? |
| 02:01.00 | Nyle | or turn multiuser off |
| 02:01.11 | Nyle | change yoru user password |
| 02:01.45 | Nyle | or complain to yoru admin.. |
| 02:01.45 | Nyle | if the admin is fucking with you, get a new server |
| 02:01.45 | PhrkOnLsh | is his own admin Muahahahaha |
| 02:01.57 | Nyle | if you're the admin, you are probably rooted and yo ushould reformat reinstall and restore from backup |
| 02:02.11 | jbinder | I mean, someone is literally attached to my screen. |
| 02:02.13 | Nyle | if it still continues, type /part and then /quit and then logout on shell. |
| 02:02.21 | jbinder | My brother got duct tape stuck to it and his hand. |
| 02:02.29 | trakinas | Nyle, i want to install only basic kde... no need for every packs... which one is it? |
| 02:02.30 | Nyle | looks to abrotman |
| 02:02.31 | jbinder | And he keeps doing things. |
| 02:02.42 | Nyle | trakinas, I think kde-base |
| 02:02.43 | PhrkOnLsh | trakinas: kde-base |
| 02:02.44 | Nyle | or core |
| 02:02.47 | Nyle | !install kde |
| 02:02.47 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
| 02:02.51 | PhrkOnLsh | core, then apps if you're ballsy |
| 02:02.51 | Nyle | ahh its core |
| 02:02.58 | abrotman | jbinder: kill your IRC client |
| 02:03.03 | PhrkOnLsh | was stupid enought to apt-get install kde |
| 02:03.07 | PhrkOnLsh | will fix one of these days |
| 02:03.11 | jbinder | He's gone now. |
| 02:03.11 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, stupid? hell no |
| 02:03.14 | PhrkOnLsh | Don't need fucken kopete and shit |
| 02:03.15 | Nyle | i keep full kde installed |
| 02:03.22 | Nyle | every single frreakin app |
| 02:03.24 | jbinder | I broke out the WD-40. |
| 02:03.27 | PhrkOnLsh | :-E |
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| 02:03.45 | PhrkOnLsh | jbinder: could you toss me some of that? my gate sqeeks when I sneak out to see the gf at 1am. |
| 02:03.58 | trakinas | in lenny? |
| 02:04.05 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, tell your parents you're old enough to have her sleep at your place |
| 02:04.09 | Nyle | or move out! |
| 02:04.10 | jbinder | Sounds like you need some duct tape instead. |
| 02:04.19 | Nyle | trakinas, ? |
| 02:04.22 | trakinas | PhrkOnLsh, i did that back to 3.1 version. |
| 02:04.23 | Nyle | trakinas, what about lenny? |
| 02:04.32 | trakinas | Nyle, no kde-base there |
| 02:04.34 | jbinder | brb |
| 02:04.35 | Nyle | no |
| 02:04.37 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: yeah, the latter, they are christian, the former, I don't have a job and am 16 |
| 02:04.39 | Nyle | trakinas, kde-core |
| 02:04.46 | Nyle | trakinas, /msg dpkg install kde |
| 02:04.47 | jbinder | Yay! It's grabass time everyone! |
| 02:04.51 | Nyle | ffs. |
| 02:04.56 | PhrkOnLsh | !kb jbinder ;) |
| 02:04.58 | enouf | Nyle: what video card you have again? x18XXxt? |
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| 02:05.10 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ool-457a541f.dyn.optonline.net] by abrotman |
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| 02:05.18 | Nyle | X1900xt 256mb gddr3 |
| 02:05.19 | abrotman | jbinder: msg me when your client is under control |
| 02:05.20 | enouf | ? |
| 02:05.23 | Nyle | 256bit |
| 02:05.26 | enouf | oh |
| 02:05.27 | trakinas | thank you |
| 02:05.33 | Nyle | welcome |
| 02:05.42 | Nyle | trakinas, there is a kdebase |
| 02:05.43 | PhrkOnLsh | muted |
| 02:05.52 | Nyle | but thats not what you want, kde-core is what you want |
| 02:06.00 | enouf | Nyle: oh, ok, and radeon Xorg works for 3D yes? from git? or... |
| 02:06.05 | Nyle | yessir |
| 02:06.06 | Nyle | it does |
| 02:06.12 | enouf | Nyle: thanks |
| 02:06.14 | Nyle | sure |
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| 02:06.36 | Nyle | enouf, #radeon #radeonhd |
| 02:06.46 | enouf | Nyle: sure, got it |
| 02:06.52 | Nyle | word |
| 02:06.58 | trakinas | Nyle, now is too late babe... |
| 02:07.00 | trakinas | =P |
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| 02:07.04 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:07.08 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@ool-457a541f.dyn.optonline.net] by abrotman |
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| 02:07.16 | Nyle | nobody calls me that except my woman :) |
| 02:07.21 | Nyle | hehe |
| 02:07.26 | jbinder | Sorry everyone. |
| 02:07.34 | PhrkOnLsh | re jbinder |
| 02:10.24 | PhrkOnLsh | I wish kde-apps had more kicker applets... |
| 02:10.47 | micols | anybody with experience in tweaking diskless client performance? |
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| 02:15.13 | PhrkOnLsh | I'd hoped I never had to say this, but deviantart has some nice debian wallpapers |
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| 02:17.30 | sonnie | hi there, is there any way to convert ratDVD -> DVD? |
| 02:18.17 | Nyle | ratdvd? |
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| 02:19.23 | Nyle | sonnie, http://www.dvd-guides.com/content/view/116/59/ -- How to convert ratDVD back to DVD |
| 02:19.37 | ddalton_ | I have 2 questions about wireless with netgear wg511t: - how good is range? - I get 200 kb speed with it and 600 on the cable. is this expected? |
| 02:19.41 | Nyle | hmm its windows only |
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| 02:21.48 | chut | hey people |
| 02:21.52 | chut | what is screen? |
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| 02:22.04 | abrotman | chut: apt-cache show screen |
| 02:22.25 | Nyle | chut, aptitude install screen; man screen OR google for 'man screen' or 'what is gnu screen' |
| 02:23.09 | enouf | Hi - here is some relevant ddalton_ information from what he sent me in PM, but i don't know wifi at all |
| 02:23.14 | enouf | http://pastebin.ca/raw/1067443 for ddalton_ |
| 02:24.01 | abrotman | looks fine to me |
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| 02:24.28 | chut | thank you |
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| 02:24.35 | sonnie | Nyle, i'm asking the debian way:) |
| 02:25.02 | ddalton_ | ok, ill go look it up. |
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| 02:25.32 | enouf | wtf is ratcrap? |
| 02:26.18 | chut | screen allow me to use multiple session? |
| 02:26.19 | amphi | never 'eard of it |
| 02:26.30 | chut | like i'm on this terminal , how do i open another one with screen? |
| 02:27.01 | amphi | chut: run screen, ctrl-a n for new shell |
| 02:27.20 | chut | doesn't work |
| 02:27.27 | chut | will it work with x window? |
| 02:27.33 | enouf | amphi: it's proprietary rat droppings ;-) |
| 02:27.42 | amphi | enouf: you don't say ;) |
| 02:27.52 | enouf | heh |
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| 02:28.32 | Carbon_life | What's the default chown for /var/www |
| 02:28.45 | chut | amphi: can you show my why ctrl a doesn't work? |
| 02:28.50 | chut | do i have to log out? |
| 02:29.15 | abrotman | Carbon_life: probably www-data:www-data |
| 02:29.23 | Carbon_life | thanks |
| 02:29.29 | abrotman | uh .. nope .. root:root |
| 02:29.38 | Carbon_life | ... which one? |
| 02:30.39 | enouf | rw-r--r-- 1 www-data www-data 5258 Jun 18 2006 index.html <-- inside /var/www/ |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | i think he meant ls -ld /var/www/ |
| 02:31.24 | enouf | nice old file - heh |
| 02:31.44 | Carbon_life | nah, I found it |
| 02:31.45 | Carbon_life | chown www-data:www-data -R /var/www |
| 02:31.50 | Carbon_life | :) |
| 02:31.51 | enouf | abrotman: you corrected yourself - you can live :-P |
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| 02:35.43 | PhrkOnLsh | chut: you have to start a screen session cefore you can screen :) |
| 02:35.59 | PhrkOnLsh | chut: screen bash or so when you log on |
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| 02:49.18 | Nyle | hey |
| 02:49.23 | Nyle | what was my quit message? |
| 02:49.28 | Nyle | what the hell happaned? |
| 02:49.35 | Nyle | !seen Nyle |
| 02:49.36 | dpkg | nyle is currently on #debian (41s). Has said a total of 4 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen Nyle'. |
| 02:49.49 | Nyle | enouf, ? |
| 02:50.02 | enouf | yes? |
| 02:50.09 | enouf | huh? |
| 02:50.19 | Nyle | hey |
| 02:50.22 | Nyle | what was my quit message? |
| 02:50.25 | enouf | Nyle: i turned off all that /join /part shit |
| 02:50.31 | Nyle | heh me too |
| 02:50.32 | enouf | Nyle: too many netsplits |
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| 02:53.49 | enouf | Nyle: but earlier, i got a {global notice} from dmwaters about some 6000 users getting kicked soon ;-) |
| 02:54.07 | dryrot | i have a list of ip addresses. i hate everyone in this list. how do i use ipfilter to block access to a certain port on a certain machine to all of these people i hate ? |
| 02:54.23 | enouf | Nyle: i can't find it now, i'm in too many friggin channels :-p |
| 02:55.11 | dryrot | oops i mean iptables |
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| 02:56.21 | seanp2k | hello all, anyone know anything about phpmyadmin? there isn't anyone alive in there |
| 02:57.15 | seanp2k | basically my problem is that PMA isn't prompting me to log in. i can manually specify the U:P, but then that isn't very sercure now is it? |
| 02:57.32 | PhrkOnLsh | seanp2k: I have no issues with pma from apt lenny |
| 02:57.55 | seanp2k | i installed this manually, actually on opensuse |
| 02:58.18 | PhrkOnLsh | oh, well, #opensuse? |
| 02:58.24 | seanp2k | hmm, i could try installing it on my debian box and see what that config looks like |
| 02:58.32 | seanp2k | but the problem is with the app, not with the OS |
| 02:58.51 | PhrkOnLsh | debian may install a different version than opensus or with its won addtions, so that could be it. |
| 02:59.11 | seanp2k | I installed the latest stable version from source |
| 02:59.39 | PhrkOnLsh | dunno |
| 03:00.12 | pingouin | did you check the help for installation at phpmyadmin web site, all the authentication is very well explained |
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| 03:00.38 | enouf | Nyle: ooo .. from #radeon -> [22:51:11] Signoff: Nyle ("Lost terminal") |
| 03:01.04 | enouf | Nyle: it was a netsplit, you got dropped like .. oh nm ;-) |
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| 03:12.48 | Nyle | hey |
| 03:12.54 | Nyle | dude man |
| 03:13.01 | Nyle | I made a new debian wallpaper |
| 03:13.08 | Nyle | I was feeling a bit flowery |
| 03:13.38 | piju | Nyle, where ? |
| 03:13.55 | Nyle | uploading now |
| 03:14.11 | Nyle | piju, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/index.php |
| 03:14.27 | Nyle | I just made the rosey pink one |
| 03:15.26 | Nyle | http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=1 <-- this too but its ugly, im not proud of this one |
| 03:15.39 | Nyle | piju, what do you think bro? |
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| 03:16.06 | piju | Nyle, cool |
| 03:16.12 | piju | make it sexier |
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| 03:17.17 | Nyle | how |
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| 03:17.35 | piju | Nyle, put sexy babes |
| 03:17.37 | piju | lol |
| 03:17.39 | Nyle | heh |
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| 03:19.31 | Ramla | Needs some texture to the dark blue |
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| 03:19.38 | Ramla | Like there is on rosey pink |
| 03:21.11 | lowlevel | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q22QRO1uz6c |
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| 03:36.13 | castoff | is there a way in debian to install the large majority of C/C++ headers and library packages with one command? |
| 03:37.05 | wols_ | !build-essential |
| 03:37.05 | dpkg | it has been said that build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 03:37.33 | castoff | i think i already have that one, but i'll chrck |
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| 03:39.18 | PhrkOnLsh | why does dpkg recommend aptitude? |
| 03:39.45 | DogBoy | is that like a knock knock joke |
| 03:39.47 | castoff | so the 1st error i'm getting is for net/if_dl.h...is there a way to discover what package that is in? |
| 03:40.03 | PhrkOnLsh | DogBoy: no... apt-get was preferred I thought |
| 03:40.17 | DogBoy | no |
| 03:40.31 | DogBoy | oh, I forgot dpkg was the bot |
| 03:41.39 | DogBoy | you can ask the bot PhrkOnLsh |
| 03:41.58 | PhrkOnLsh | man dpkg |
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| 03:42.33 | castoff | so is there a way to find out what package a file would be in? |
| 03:42.41 | PhrkOnLsh | apt-file imo |
| 03:42.47 | Nyle | PhrkOnLsh, piju, Ramla, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=0 |
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| 03:43.32 | PhrkOnLsh | Nyle: http://wanton.dyndns.org/gallery/v/Screenshots/grayred.png.html |
| 03:43.37 | PhrkOnLsh | just refactored my theme |
| 03:44.29 | Nyle | Timeout on server |
| 03:44.33 | Nyle | your internet is too slow |
| 03:45.08 | PhrkOnLsh | :o |
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| 03:45.31 | PhrkOnLsh | you sure? works here... |
| 03:45.51 | PhrkOnLsh | box->gateway->box |
| 03:46.10 | Nyle | An error occurred while loading http://wanton.dyndns.org/gallery/v/Screenshots/grayred.png.html: |
| 03:46.13 | Nyle | Timeout on server Connection was to wanton.dyndns.org at port 80 |
| 03:46.48 | piju | me also |
| 03:47.10 | PhrkOnLsh | damn |
| 03:47.15 | PhrkOnLsh | goes bug hunting |
| 03:47.23 | PhrkOnLsh | did it work earlier? |
| 03:47.35 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:47.39 | Nyle | ok |
| 03:47.43 | Nyle | its loading now |
| 03:47.46 | Nyle | but very very slowly |
| 03:47.48 | Nyle | like 2kb/s |
| 03:47.50 | castoff | PhrkOnLsh thank you very much |
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| 03:47.57 | PhrkOnLsh | damn |
| 03:47.59 | PhrkOnLsh | That's odd |
| 03:48.11 | Nyle | you downloading massive amounts of porn? |
| 03:48.12 | PhrkOnLsh | stops download Pr0n |
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| 03:48.14 | PhrkOnLsh | xD |
| 03:48.15 | Nyle | haha |
| 03:48.16 | Nyle | jinx. |
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| 03:48.27 | PhrkOnLsh | No, I dunno what's up |
| 03:49.05 | Nyle | stop downloading porn man |
| 03:49.08 | Nyle | seriously ;) |
| 03:49.16 | piju | haha |
| 03:49.29 | piju | cool desktop |
| 03:49.43 | PhrkOnLsh | lol |
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| 03:50.15 | Nyle | enouf, please don't msg me. |
| 03:50.26 | Nyle | enouf, its rude. read the /topic |
| 03:50.28 | enouf | Nyle: stfu |
| 03:50.29 | Nyle | runs away |
| 03:50.32 | Nyle | ehehehehehe |
| 03:50.33 | enouf | :-P |
| 03:50.47 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 03:51.00 | Nyle | enouf, you saw the 2 new wallpapers I did? |
| 03:51.06 | Nyle | I'm getting slowly better with gimp man |
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| 03:51.32 | Nyle | enouf, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=0 & http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=1 |
| 03:51.42 | enouf | Nyle: not yet .. |
| 03:51.55 | Nyle | the blue is just experimentation |
| 03:52.03 | Nyle | I'll probably remove those from the gallery anyway |
| 03:52.14 | Nyle | the rosey pink is my favorite, still trying to reddify the logo |
| 03:52.16 | enouf | yeah, i'm just not into all that atm - but good work |
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| 03:53.13 | Nyle | why are you not into that? |
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| 04:09.38 | H2S04 | Nyle: gimp eh? |
| 04:10.06 | Nyle | yup |
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| 04:12.24 | enouf | Nyle: i said 'atm' |
| 04:12.28 | aoeu | my new debian install on my panasonic cf-71 laptop keeps segfaulting. I ran memtest86, and there is nothing wrong with the memory. on bootup, there is a message about a pm-timer bug. might this have anything to do with it? |
| 04:13.28 | Nyle | enouf, why? |
| 04:13.55 | enouf | i'm not feeling artsy fartsy? |
| 04:14.59 | aoeu | i mean kernel panic, not segfault |
| 04:15.10 | aoeu | it might not even be a kernel panic, i'm going to upload some screen captures |
| 04:15.12 | wols_ | kernel panic WHERE? |
| 04:15.25 | Nyle | enouf, why? |
| 04:15.33 | enouf | stop |
| 04:15.49 | enouf | please .. no biggy |
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| 04:17.29 | Nyle | enouf, why? |
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| 04:18.46 | enouf | pulls out Nyle 's batteries |
| 04:19.17 | zmotok | hello everyone; can anyone please tell me how can i download a package and its dependencies for installing on a different machine (with different architecture) that has no internet available (and without downloading all of debian stable's dvd/cds) |
| 04:19.47 | Nyle | enouf, why? |
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| 04:22.15 | aoeu | is this a kernel panic? http://www.zeug.us/P1530729.JPG |
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| 04:28.23 | Nyle | its not a kernel panic unless it says its a kernel panic |
| 04:29.57 | wols_ | aoeu: either you have a call trace or it's no kernel panic |
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| 04:38.58 | wols_ | zmotok: apt-zip |
| 04:39.02 | Kevin` | aoeu: that looks like an out of memory koll |
| 04:39.05 | Kevin` | kill* |
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| 04:39.18 | aoeu | it seems to be happening at random |
| 04:39.36 | Kevin` | leave up a screen that's watching what processes are using memory |
| 04:39.37 | wols_ | aoeu: how much RAM? |
| 04:39.38 | aoeu | it just happened twice at bootup, but now it's booting up fine |
| 04:39.42 | aoeu | 192MB |
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| 04:40.20 | Bladesman | Anyone have the non-us addy for sources.list? I'd like to install the *real* pgp. |
| 04:40.28 | wols_ | Bladesman: there is no non-us |
| 04:40.46 | aoeu | could there maybe be a bug in a kernel driver? |
| 04:41.04 | Bladesman | Is there one for debian-accessibility or volatile? |
| 04:41.22 | tuv | there could be a bug in your pants! |
| 04:41.27 | wols_ | Bladesman: is there what? |
| 04:41.59 | wols_ | Bladesman: /msg dpkg volatile |
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| 04:42.32 | Bladesman | wald0: Is there a url for sources.list for debian-accessibility, or for volatile? Trying to get a line on a SSpeakUP kernel, too. |
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| 04:43.04 | wols_ | accessibility is part of the normal repos afaik |
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| 04:44.08 | Bladesman | grumbles to himself, having heard about all this SpeakUP work going on, and finding nothing about it in an apt-cache search. |
| 04:44.11 | ootput | hi guys. i'm after a package that provides say foo.bar. Which command do i issue to find that package(s) |
| 04:44.27 | wols_ | !tell ootput about search |
| 04:44.47 | ootput | thanks |
| 04:45.00 | tuv | ootput, if foo.bar is a file that should be installed by a package, install apt-file |
| 04:45.00 | Bladesman | Thank you, waltz. |
| 04:45.14 | wols_ | Bladesman: ? http://www.zeug.us/P1530729.JPG |
| 04:45.18 | wols_ | grah |
| 04:45.23 | wols_ | Bladesman: http://osdir.com/ml/debian.devel.accessibility/2004-09/msg00017.html |
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| 04:46.17 | Bladesman | waltz: Thank you. Have a biatch of a time using the web with links2 and the CLI. |
| 04:46.52 | wols_ | I am NOT "waltz" or "wald0" |
| 04:47.16 | akio | is there a solution for nvidia-glx for lenny? the debian wiki instructions do not work anymore |
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| 04:47.30 | Bladesman | waits for it to scroll up the screen so he can copy and paste it. |
| 04:47.34 | wols_ | akio: sure, backport |
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| 04:50.44 | zmotok | wols_: thanks a million |
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| 04:51.06 | Bladesman | wols_: Sorry. w[tab] seems to be taking anything. Speech synthesis doesn't spell anything unless you highlight the word...hard to do during scroll. |
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| 05:02.53 | Bladesman | Oh well. Back to square one and the bleeding edge crap. |
| 05:03.57 | simonrvn | dripping edge :P |
| 05:04.36 | Bladesman | Can't afford to break my system. It's all I have. |
| 05:04.48 | simonrvn | i know the feeling |
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| 05:05.57 | simonrvn | used to run a whole bunch of stuff -- well, still do, but not so much now -- off one box; it went down, everything did. |
| 05:06.02 | Bladesman | Oh well. at least I have the Shane speakup netinst CD to fall back on. |
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| 05:06.50 | simonrvn | now i can actually make backups of it |
| 05:07.14 | simonrvn | ghetto machines, you take what you can get, you know? |
| 05:07.30 | Bladesman | Lucky. I'm still using Winderz to write CDs/ISOs. |
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| 05:10.00 | simonrvn | ugh. must be painful. your cd writer doesn't work well in linux? |
| 05:10.54 | Bladesman | Yeah, it's a Sony, and I still haven't figured out all the parameters I have to set to get it to work. |
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| 05:11.58 | simonrvn | hm, i've been using a gui frontend, saves me having to keep fetching everything from shell history |
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| 05:13.26 | Bladesman | Tried Lenny for the Orca screen reader capabilities, so I can use the GUI, but it seems like every third upgrade locks me out of the system and I have to go back to Etch from scratch again. |
| 05:14.12 | Bladesman | I'm just gonna wait for Lenny to go stable before I dash my head against the wall again. |
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| 05:15.47 | simonrvn | ouch :( |
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| 05:16.45 | Bladesman | Seriously considering trying Ubuntu on another partition, but I'm still a Debian fanatic. |
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| 05:19.26 | Braden_ | Hello |
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| 05:19.36 | Bladesman | Hello back. |
| 05:20.20 | Braden_ | I have debian on one of my servers, and I am connecting to it via putty, but the single quotes in putty are appearing like this, 'â'. I can change the encoding type in putty, but how do I figure out what encoding my linux box is using? |
| 05:20.38 | simonrvn | i bet it's utf-8 |
| 05:21.06 | Braden_ | Yep, you are right |
| 05:21.10 | Braden_ | Thanks =] |
| 05:21.18 | simonrvn | np |
| 05:21.59 | rsk | http://www.flickr.com/photos/ronocdh/2651155110/sizes/o/ |
| 05:22.00 | rsk | 8< |
| 05:22.26 | Bladesman | jamz... |
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| 05:22.31 | Bladesman | Thank you, all. |
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| 05:24.58 | greenmang0 | I have a latest updated version of Debian Lenny... "top" shows 98% of CPU is used by Xorg |
| 05:25.00 | greenmang0 | what to do? |
| 05:25.07 | debianr | how to hide my IP when I post to Google Groups? Right now, it appears as the NNTP-Posting Host. |
| 05:26.14 | debianr | heh? |
| 05:27.49 | greenmang0 | ping * |
| 05:27.59 | Ramla | who is this gimp man |
| 05:28.16 | Ramla | hmm, backlog fun.. nevermind.. |
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| 05:29.57 | debianr | greenmang0: reset the system. |
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| 05:30.55 | greenmang0 | debianr: that doesn't help |
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| 05:31.16 | greenmang0 | Ramla: |
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| 05:32.27 | greenmang0 | ping * |
| 05:32.52 | Ramla | o_O |
| 05:33.49 | extor | What is the difference between libapache2-mod-fcgid and libfcgi-perl? Don't they both support perl? |
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| 05:35.38 | kingsley | How can I persuade the kernel to consistently see a hard drive's new device, which is now /dev/sda1? A new mainboard changed a hard drive's device from /dev/hda2 to /dev/sda2. I already reconfigured grub. It starts to boot OK, but eventually reports "ALERT! /dev/sda2 does not exist. Dropping to a shell" and it leaves me at an "initramfs" prompt. How can I persuade the kernel to consistently see the hard drive's new device? |
| 05:36.28 | kingsley | I've also already done a "dpkg-reconfigure <kernel-image>" and "dpkg-reconfigure udev". |
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| 05:39.50 | Alpta | Hi, I'm trying to wget something, but I dont want all the fancy stuff that shows the load... I try wget 'url' > /dev/null but that didnt work |
| 05:40.03 | Alpta | s/try/tried/ |
| 05:40.29 | Braden_ | What package contains the documentation for 'cout' ? |
| 05:40.37 | foo | Alpta: --quiet |
| 05:40.46 | Alpta | Ok |
| 05:40.49 | kingsley | Alpta: man wget suggests wget -q |
| 05:40.58 | Braden_ | I have the gcc docs installed, but they aren't there, however, I am assuming they are in the g++ docs (which I cannot find via apt-cache) |
| 05:41.18 | foo | Braden_: You could maybe try apt-file |
| 05:41.34 | owen1 | how to install git? |
| 05:41.48 | Braden_ | foo: apt-file not found |
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| 05:42.05 | foo | Braden_: apt-get install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search cout |
| 05:42.16 | owen1 | !git |
| 05:42.17 | dpkg | methinks git is version control system that was started by Linus Torvalds, which is currently used to maintain the linux kernel, http://git.or.cz/, or http://www.kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git.html |
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| 05:44.14 | Braden_ | Nope, I don't see cout manpage on the list |
| 05:44.15 | Braden_ | =/ |
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| 05:47.14 | Braden_ | libstdc++6-4.1-doc <--- Thats the package |
| 05:47.17 | Braden_ | Found it |
| 05:47.17 | Braden_ | =] |
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| 05:56.31 | martiancode | hi, guys what web browser are you using? note: this is no browsers war instance, thanks in advance |
| 05:56.53 | rsk | martiancode: mosiac |
| 05:57.17 | owen1 | how to install git on debian? what packages do i neeed? |
| 05:57.20 | rsk | mosaic even |
| 05:57.28 | rsk | owen1: git-core i think |
| 05:58.31 | martiancode | owen1: aptitude search git, if you're using aptitude as the frontend ;-) |
| 06:00.16 | foo | martiancode: why? |
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| 06:02.39 | Benzi | can someone please help me get sound working? |
| 06:02.51 | owen1 | rsk: i get this git, the filemanager with GNU Interactive Tools, is now called gitfm. |
| 06:02.54 | gcbirzan | Is there an easy way to automatically get aptitude (i.e. from a script) to download updates which aren't signed? -y doesn't seem to apply to that qusetion |
| 06:03.08 | martiancode | foo: I'm having an issue of discomfort "paranoia" if you like with the browser I'm using, and I forgot that I shouldn't ask here about my browser's issue, besides remembering browser names and knowing if there's anything new |
| 06:03.10 | owen1 | (rsk: when i try to get something with git) |
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| 06:03.16 | rsk | mkay |
| 06:03.16 | owen1 | rsk: (when i try to get something with git) |
| 06:03.17 | mancubus | !tell Benzi alsa |
| 06:03.19 | foo | martiancode: ah, I see |
| 06:03.28 | Benzi | mancubus, alsa stopped working |
| 06:03.43 | martiancode | foo: and why why? |
| 06:03.44 | Benzi | what happened was |
| 06:03.54 | Benzi | I plugged in a TV tuner card |
| 06:04.13 | Benzi | and ever since then, the alsaconf device list has had a bunch of entries for that TV tuner card's audio capture |
| 06:04.20 | Benzi | (which I don't want to use, I just want my speakers) |
| 06:04.30 | Benzi | so I choose the one that represents my sound card |
| 06:04.38 | Benzi | but even after alsaconf finishes claiming success, it doesn't work |
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| 06:05.16 | Benzi | in fact |
| 06:05.19 | Benzi | in alsaconf |
| 06:05.24 | Benzi | a few lines up, it says |
| 06:05.36 | Benzi | amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory |
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| 06:07.44 | Benzi | any ideas? |
| 06:08.15 | owen1 | i installed git and git-core but I get this: "the filemanager with GNU Interactive Tools, is now called gitfm." |
| 06:09.06 | martiancode | foo: what browser are you using? |
| 06:09.09 | gcbirzan | owen1: Is that bad? |
| 06:09.25 | foo | martiancode: firefox |
| 06:09.39 | owen1 | i removed git. now it works. |
| 06:09.55 | martiancode | foo: is that 3? |
| 06:09.57 | owen1 | gcbirzan: it's working now. had to remove git. |
| 06:10.02 | gcbirzan | Okay... |
| 06:10.03 | foo | martiancode: I'm currently on 2, 3 is on my to do list |
| 06:10.25 | martiancode | foo: any reason? or just a time management thing? |
| 06:10.31 | martiancode | foo: or you're who I think you are? :D |
| 06:10.48 | foo | martiancode: hm, just really busy :) |
| 06:10.53 | martiancode | or to be more percise who I think you might be |
| 06:11.00 | foo | Not sure :) |
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| 06:11.57 | martiancode | foo: right, this is IRC we're just electrons, packets and text |
| 06:12.17 | martiancode | foo: thanks anyway :-) |
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| 06:16.54 | jaggz1 | any packaged way to get firefox 3 in etch? |
| 06:19.22 | Baloo | jaggz1: iceweasel |
| 06:20.17 | enouf | maggie thatcher == maggot hatcher ? |
| 06:20.24 | enouf | :-O |
| 06:21.01 | enouf | gah .. wrong channel - sorry .. lmao |
| 06:21.01 | enouf | hides |
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| 06:24.28 | Nyle | hahaha |
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| 06:24.43 | jpin | cd /join #netbeans |
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| 06:28.01 | Guerin | enouf: you'll never get your membership to the Tory Club now! |
| 06:28.37 | enouf | heh |
| 06:29.37 | jaggz1 | my iceweasel, including backports mirror in my sources, still is only v2 |
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| 06:33.11 | ddalton_ | anyone how to check battery level on laptop? |
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| 06:33.27 | infinitycircuit | ddalton_: acpi can do it for you on a newer laptop |
| 06:33.53 | ddalton_ | mine is about 4 yars old... |
| 06:34.29 | infinitycircuit | ddalton_: so is mine. it will probably support acpi, if that fails you can try apm |
| 06:34.29 | ddalton_ | years |
| 06:34.50 | ddalton_ | got a command so I can see it wrk? |
| 06:35.12 | infinitycircuit | ddalton_: aptitude install acpi && acpi |
| 06:36.12 | ddalton_ | whats the 0038 about? Battery 0: Discharging, 46%, 00:00:38 |
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| 06:37.48 | ddalton_ | infinitycircuit: do you know what the 38 means? 38 minutes? |
| 06:37.48 | infinitycircuit | thats how many minutes are remaining |
| 06:38.01 | ddalton_ | oh, so I have a crap battery? |
| 06:38.03 | infinitycircuit | so for instance mine says: Battery 0: Discharging, 99%, 00:05:08 remaining |
| 06:38.09 | infinitycircuit | which means 5 hrs 8 mins |
| 06:38.18 | Nyle | wow |
| 06:38.25 | Nyle | 5 hours |
| 06:38.37 | enouf | it's a cell phone |
| 06:38.40 | infinitycircuit | this battery is 4 years old with the new 8 cell i get 7:30 if the cpu is idling |
| 06:39.26 | ddalton_ | and how can I hibernate, and save more power? |
| 06:39.43 | jaggz1 | yes, hibernating would save more power :) |
| 06:40.05 | enouf | !info acpi-support |
| 06:40.26 | dpkg | acpi-support: (scripts for handling many ACPI events), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.109-5 (sid), Packaged size: 51 kB, Installed size: 944 kB |
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| 06:41.56 | ddalton_ | how do I hibinate? |
| 06:41.57 | enouf | how much power does using Dynamic Tick save? a lot? (CONFIG_NO_HZ) |
| 06:42.02 | ddalton_ | hibernate |
| 06:42.07 | ddalton_ | man shutdown? |
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| 06:42.53 | ddalton_ | think I see it sudo hibernate |
| 06:43.41 | infinitycircuit | ddalton_: hal currently uses pm-hibernate from the pm-utils package, which i have found to be unreliable. i have more success with s2disk from uswsusp |
| 06:44.10 | ddalton_ | whats the difference between suspend and hibernate? |
| 06:44.15 | ddalton_ | im reading the man page. |
| 06:45.00 | ddalton_ | brb, hibernating... ;-) |
| 06:45.07 | infinitycircuit | ddalton_: suspend will keep the system in ram and still drain some power to keep the ram alive, which means it resumes in about a second. my system drains 1% of the battery every 2-3 hours while suspended |
| 06:45.23 | infinitycircuit | hibernate stores the ram on hd space so it consumes no power but takes more time to resume |
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| 06:46.23 | jaggz1 | brb hibernating.. rofl |
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| 06:46.34 | jaggz1 | like in the bbs days.. "afk .. sleep." |
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| 06:52.03 | xingu | enouf: depends on config, but dynticks are the basis of all real powersaving |
| 06:52.24 | xingu | enouf: the variant is (sleep) interval between wakeups |
| 06:52.33 | enouf | xingu: i ask, because i know he compiled his own kernel |
| 06:52.57 | russell_ | i just had debian-unstable choke during boot, using a custom compiled vanilla 2.6.18.8 that i'd been using for years. |
| 06:52.59 | enouf | xingu: sure, but that's only CPU power, no? |
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| 06:53.09 | ddalton__ | am I here? |
| 06:53.18 | enouf | yep ddalton__ |
| 06:53.25 | enouf | !wb ddalton__ |
| 06:53.26 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! ddalton__ has returned! |
| 06:53.34 | enouf | ;-) |
| 06:53.38 | xingu | enouf: yup; won't help you for gpu or dram draws |
| 06:53.56 | ddalton__ | good... |
| 06:54.03 | russell_ | oh shit. all better now |
| 06:54.09 | xingu | enouf: for the former look into on-demand vblank; for the latter, undervolt and drop fsb until you meet budget |
| 06:54.15 | ddalton__ | ok well... sudo hibernate worked, but speakup didn't come up bugger when your blind like me. |
| 06:54.22 | enouf | xingu: though the bright side is, the saving is transparent, while system is up and running fully |
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| 06:54.48 | enouf | xingu: haha .. no laptops for me - but thanks for the info ;-) |
| 06:54.54 | xingu | enouf: exactly; dyntick + c-states acpi can reduce drain significantly |
| 06:54.59 | ddalton__ | so, how much extra battery does suspend use than hibernate? |
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| 06:55.32 | enouf | ddalton__: well infinitycircuit had said about 1% every couple of hours for suspend |
| 06:55.41 | xingu | enouf: without dynticks you may well find your host bouncing out of c3 too often to gain much benefit from it |
| 06:55.43 | ddalton__ | oh |
| 06:55.44 | enouf | ddalton__: for his batteries though ;-) |
| 06:56.03 | enouf | xingu: ahhh ,... yes, i see |
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| 06:56.12 | mxmx | hi |
| 06:56.15 | ddalton__ | has a crappy battery |
| 06:56.19 | mxmx | what program should i use to zip folders? |
| 06:56.23 | jaggz1 | okay.. later folks :) |
| 06:56.26 | infinitycircuit | mxmx: zip |
| 06:56.34 | jaggz1 | zip -r file.zip folder/ |
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| 06:56.47 | mxmx | how do i get zip? |
| 06:56.51 | mxmx | apt-get zip? |
| 06:57.02 | infinitycircuit | mxmx: aptitude install zip but you will need non-free i believe |
| 06:57.15 | mxmx | hmm |
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| 07:00.37 | xingu | must... resist... urge... to build velociraptor monster storage array... |
| 07:01.22 | ddalton__ | so... will starting up after hibernate start stuff in rc.local and modules in /etc/modules? |
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| 07:02.23 | enouf | ddalton__: it should - you should look at the files in /etc/acpi/* ... see how they are numbered? like the symlinks in the /etc/rc?.d/ dirs? |
| 07:02.41 | ddalton__ | oh |
| 07:02.53 | enouf | ddalton__: i believe there's also a log, in /var/log/ |
| 07:03.04 | enouf | of some name - i can't recall |
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| 07:04.01 | ddalton__ | hrm, perhaps hibernate isn't accessible o the blind yet... doesn't show me anything in braille... |
| 07:04.19 | ddalton__ | anyway... what else can I do to save power? |
| 07:04.27 | enouf | ddalton__: oh, when you came back you have two __ attached to the end of your nick now |
| 07:04.41 | ddalton__ | oh, yeah, i know. |
| 07:04.46 | enouf | ddalton__: two of these "_" |
| 07:04.58 | enouf | ok, well, .. there |
| 07:05.57 | enouf | ddalton_: do "grep NO_HZ /boot/config-`uname -r`" |
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| 07:06.22 | mxmx | grr |
| 07:06.25 | ddalton_ | enouf: can you pm it to me? my cursor jumps around when cutting cause of all the essages |
| 07:06.25 | mxmx | i got this message adding: templates/ (stored 0%) |
| 07:06.33 | enouf | ddalton_: sure |
| 07:06.35 | ddalton_ | messages |
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| 07:06.56 | xingu | ddalton: http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/ |
| 07:06.57 | enouf | got it ddalton_? |
| 07:06.58 | ddalton_ | thx |
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| 07:07.20 | enouf | ddalton_: and follow the url xingu gave you |
| 07:07.26 | mxmx | i am trying to zip a folder, can anyone help me? |
| 07:07.31 | mxmx | using debian etch |
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| 07:07.58 | xingu | ddalton: nb, resume (from disk or memory) _shouldn't_ re-run rc scripts; the point is that you're resuming a running kernel image... |
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| 07:08.39 | xingu | ddalton: the various hibernate packages will take care of point fixes like load/unload of modules for particularly cantankerous hardware |
| 07:08.53 | xingu | ddalton: ... checkpointing of mysql/ postgresl and the like. |
| 07:09.19 | enouf | xingu: turns out, he does have CONFIG_NO_HZ=y cool |
| 07:09.29 | xingu | enouf: literally ;) |
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| 07:10.27 | enouf | xingu: ;-) |
| 07:10.44 | xingu | ddalton: I will award you a bronze star for trying to get suspend-to-disk sorted as a sight-assisted user though; I'm blessed with everything except mental faculties and it's still got me beat |
| 07:11.15 | enouf | haha |
| 07:11.37 | ddalton_ | ok, so... what can I do to save power? just so I can get as much as possible? no x11... sorry if I missed it before... speakup isn't as good as brltty... :-( |
| 07:11.45 | xingu | ddalton: http://www.lesswatts.org/tips/ |
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| 07:12.24 | enouf | xingu: i'll copy and paste your earlier messages into PM with him .. so you don't have to repeat it all |
| 07:12.31 | xingu | cheers |
| 07:13.28 | ddalton_ | xingu, enouf: sorry guys, I know its annoying... |
| 07:13.40 | enouf | ddalton_: it's ok, i |
| 07:13.51 | enouf | ddalton_: it's ok, i'm posting it to PM for you |
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| 07:15.06 | ddalton_ | yep, got it thanks enouf. |
| 07:15.33 | ddalton_ | xingu: ok, got it. so... what package should I use to hibernate? and is sudo hibernate the way to do it? |
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| 07:16.00 | xingu | ddalton_: switching to /query (I gather your setup works better without channel noise) |
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| 07:16.40 | ddalton_ | xingu ok, erm, I don't see the windo |
| 07:16.57 | ddalton_ | let me register sorry |
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| 07:23.38 | xingu | anyone know offhand if ich9r supports 3gbps sata? |
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| 07:25.35 | ddalton | xingu: around? |
| 07:25.40 | ddalton | in the pm? |
| 07:25.40 | xingu | yep |
| 07:25.56 | ddalton | check the pm... |
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| 07:26.49 | xingu | resorts to spec sheet |
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| 07:29.54 | xingu | hmm, spec says... yes! yay! even in raid mode! |
| 07:30.38 | ddalton | hello, am i here? |
| 07:31.00 | liable | yes |
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| 07:32.06 | xingu | heh |
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| 07:32.38 | xingu | I bet you can thaw a sata device on ich9 and prep it for secure erase - FLR (functional level reset) |
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| 07:32.56 | ddalton | xingu get the pm? |
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| 07:33.33 | Guerin | !pm |
| 07:33.34 | dpkg | pm is, like, private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance, or percussive maintenance |
| 07:33.35 | xingu | ja - sorry rest of channel, my lag is compounding ddalton's while he's testing. |
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| 07:57.17 | scyrma | term_charset = utf-8 |
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| 08:07.58 | Internat | any suggestions on an application that does fussy logic searching? ie can give me a list of files that match within x percent of each other? |
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| 08:11.38 | SlimG | How do I upgrade my etch to lenny the right way? any specific (CLI) application for that? |
| 08:11.50 | sep | !etch->lenny |
| 08:11.53 | simonrvn | !etch->lenny |
| 08:11.56 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:12.01 | simonrvn | dpkg: etch->lenny |
| 08:12.02 | dpkg | [etch->lenny] First, see <apt-listbugs> and lenny release notes. Edit sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'etch' or 'stable' to 'lenny'. Save the file, `aptitude update` and `aptitude dist-upgrade`. Also consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 08:12.03 | SlimG | oh, sorry, must learn to read topic :P |
| 08:12.12 | simonrvn | yes ;) |
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| 08:12.33 | SlimG | thanks anyway sep and simonrvn |
| 08:12.36 | simonrvn | the -> factoid bug still exists... :/ |
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| 08:20.04 | itguru | Can anyone recommend a howto document with regards to building an email server that sits in front of MS Exchange - which can poll a catch all pop account, and then forward that to the exchange box? |
| 08:20.15 | dandre | hello, |
| 08:20.15 | dandre | I am getting this error: |
| 08:20.15 | dandre | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
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| 08:21.05 | dandre | I think that this is due to a binary file I have added to the tree. How could I do? |
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| 08:24.25 | dandre | previously I have this error: |
| 08:24.25 | dandre | dpkg-source: cannot represent change to cdt.png: binary file contents changed |
| 08:24.58 | dandre | anyone? |
| 08:25.15 | Guerin | !anyone |
| 08:25.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 08:27.34 | varlon | hi, I have a problem with Wi-Fi connection. I'm using Debian on my laptop about 1 year and haven't problems, but last time I have more troubles. so, in office I'm using wpa2 and connection keeped a few seconds, here is log and configs: http://pastebin.ca/1067815 |
| 08:27.56 | dandre | ok Guerin |
| 08:28.22 | varlon | my be I need some service or edit some config |
| 08:28.26 | liable | varlon: which debian version? |
| 08:28.41 | varlon | Debian Lenny |
| 08:28.56 | liable | which wpasupplicant version? |
| 08:28.59 | dandre | here is my real question Guerin or anyone else ;-): |
| 08:28.59 | dandre | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:28.59 | dandre | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 08:28.59 | dandre | I think that this is due to a binary file I have added to the tree. How could I do? |
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| 08:29.07 | liable | varlon: which wifi chip |
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| 08:30.24 | wols_ | dandre: googe "how to get help on irc" |
| 08:30.28 | rdz | hi all. i found some old config files from zope2.7 around, but i already removed the zope2.7 package. can i get rid of those cleanly by reinstalling and remove --purge zope2.7? |
| 08:31.12 | wols_ | simply purge it |
| 08:31.33 | SlimG | Anyone know of a FS similar to mp3fs but transcoding to vorbis instead? |
| 08:31.42 | varlon | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) |
| 08:32.02 | dandre | what do you mean wols_? |
| 08:32.32 | wols_ | dandre: I mean your first question was as useless as your 2nd where you on top, even pasted into the channel |
| 08:32.48 | varlon | liable, wpa_supplicant v0.6.3 |
| 08:33.03 | varlon | last from lenny repository |
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| 08:33.15 | dandre | why useles? |
| 08:33.19 | Veros | how could I possibly test speed of connection between a linux and windows machine? ; they're in LAN |
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| 08:33.48 | wols_ | Veros: iptraf |
| 08:34.15 | Veros | command not found |
| 08:34.20 | Veros | install it? |
| 08:34.44 | ice63 | wols_, good moring :) |
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| 08:34.55 | atya | Veros: speedometer |
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| 08:35.14 | atya | this is a py script |
| 08:35.53 | dandre | here is the issue: |
| 08:35.54 | dandre | I am debianizing a package and I must add a binary file (an image) to the tree. If I don't include this file, I can correctly build the debian package, if I include this file I can't with the following error: |
| 08:35.54 | dandre | dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 08:36.18 | dandre | how could I add this picture to my debianized package? |
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| 08:36.42 | dandre | Ithin this is not useles as stated like this |
| 08:36.46 | Maulkin | try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
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| 08:37.48 | streuner | TiMiDo: hm |
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| 08:38.04 | TiMiDo | lol |
| 08:38.15 | porncake | hey guys can someone help me with a compiler error |
| 08:38.39 | streuner | show us the whole error in paste.debian.net |
| 08:38.45 | porncake | checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnulibc1 |
| 08:38.56 | porncake | how do i change that to i686-pc-linux |
| 08:39.02 | streuner | in Debian are about 15.000 packages, why do you think you need to compile? |
| 08:39.05 | porncake | because i think the gnulibc1 thing i sessing stuff up for me |
| 08:39.12 | porncake | its C code |
| 08:39.32 | porncake | i'll paste on pastebin |
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| 08:39.55 | streuner | use paste.debian.net , we don't like adds and stuff much... |
| 08:39.57 | maligor | gnulibc1? |
| 08:40.04 | piju | haha |
| 08:40.04 | porncake | http://pastebin.com/m67a8ab20 |
| 08:40.10 | porncake | oh im sorry |
| 08:40.19 | piju | somebody wanna use torrent client on my network |
| 08:40.29 | piju | i have set iptables to drop all udp |
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| 08:40.32 | porncake | http://paste.debian.net/10682/ |
| 08:40.41 | piju | they will not gonna make it |
| 08:40.43 | piju | ;) |
| 08:41.01 | streuner | porncake: which package? |
| 08:41.08 | piju | i only allow port 80, and 5050 only |
| 08:41.19 | porncake | not a debian package |
| 08:41.25 | piju | Nyle, what do u think ? |
| 08:41.27 | dandre | okok thanks Maulkin |
| 08:41.34 | porncake | this is a fresh install of this system which is missing stuff i think |
| 08:41.35 | fireba11 | piju : er ... dropping al udp will make a bunch of stuff not usable .. that's quite restrictive |
| 08:41.38 | moshii | I've installed the 2.6.25 vserver image... but the old 2.6.22 one is generated as the default kernel in grubs menu.lst,.. as I don't have physical access to the machine, how do I tell it to boot the new kernel? |
| 08:41.38 | porncake | it works fine on my other debian system |
| 08:41.45 | piju | fireba11, such as ? |
| 08:41.55 | streuner | porncake: so what package is it, where did you download the stuff? |
| 08:41.57 | piju | fireba11, i only allow port 53 on udp |
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| 08:42.07 | Veros | is there a way to defrag file system? It's not for performance, I just need to consolidate files/free space in an hdd image, so that it becomes maximally compressible |
| 08:42.17 | piju | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:42.17 | piju | â UDP (46 bytes) from 192.168.0.248:27444 to 24.174.65.103:14428 on eth0 â |
| 08:42.17 | piju | â UDP (46 bytes) from 192.168.0.248:27444 to 24.89.201.222:23887 on eth0 |
| 08:42.24 | moshii | Veros: depends on the fs you're using |
| 08:42.25 | cm_ | porncake: did you try looking in config.log? Might need to run... sudo apt-get install build-essentials |
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| 08:42.28 | piju | look, somebody use torrent client here |
| 08:42.31 | porncake | http://uk.pzs-ng.com/stable/project-zs-ng_r2414-v1.1.0a.tar.gz |
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| 08:42.32 | streuner | !defrag |
| 08:42.33 | dpkg | from memory, defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 08:42.41 | Veros | moshii: ext |
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| 08:42.44 | moshii | Veros: but compression should work anyway |
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| 08:43.20 | Veros | moshii: yeah, but if the space (zeroes) is consolidated it will work better |
| 08:43.24 | piju | fireba11, what do u think bro ? |
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| 08:44.03 | fireba11 | piju : well streaming of all sorts usually is udp ^^ |
| 08:44.21 | piju | fireba11, streaming ? example ? |
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| 08:44.42 | moshii | Veros: um.. would depend on the algorithm, but if zero is the most common pattern with the data it will be assigned the smallest key (or whatever) where ever it is |
| 08:44.54 | piju | fireba11, AFAIK streaming only use http port |
| 08:44.55 | moshii | Veros: s/with/within/ |
| 08:45.06 | piju | fireba11, that is tcp, not udp |
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| 08:46.25 | Veros | moshii: if compression is done per e.g. 3bits, then 101010 will compress worse than 111000 |
| 08:46.40 | Veros | if you get my meaning |
| 08:46.51 | xingu | tells purchasing to hold their £10's-millions support contract until sun pull their head out of their backside and realise that platinum cover actually _does_ include weekend callouts after all |
| 08:47.11 | ma3x | i've got a connection from the following ip 122.110.149.163:25334 on local port 60085 any idea what this is? |
| 08:47.28 | xingu | cc's account manager on the love-o-gramme |
| 08:47.37 | ma3x | i'm not sure what process is using that connection |
| 08:47.47 | SlayerXP | ma3x: lsof |
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| 08:48.09 | moshii | Veros: but the patterns of data that are assigned to keys will be variable in length.. |
| 08:48.10 | Veros | if I copy the file from one HDD image to another, they will become less fragmented, right? |
| 08:48.48 | ma3x | SlayerXP: you can see all stuff but still can't find out what's causing that connection |
| 08:48.56 | Veros | moshii: length can't be unlimitedly large |
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| 08:49.28 | SlayerXP | ma3x: grep is your friend |
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| 08:49.46 | xingu | veros' problem relates more to lazy allocation than compression; blocks in filesystem images typically aren't allocated until they're dirtied |
| 08:49.58 | ma3x | thanks man! |
| 08:50.00 | xingu | what he's trying to do is put the jack back in the box |
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| 08:50.43 | moshii | xingu: yup, he will be compressing deleted files etc... he really just wants to copy the files to a new fs and compress that |
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| 08:51.03 | fireba11 | piju : it's your choice but udp is intended for audio and video streaming ^^ |
| 08:51.26 | Veros | xingu: didn't understand, if you mean the files are just marked deleted , I perform dd if=/dev/zero of=foo;rm to make them really zeroes |
| 08:51.32 | piju | fireba11, give me the example |
| 08:51.38 | xingu | moshii: what he really wants is zfs storage pools :) |
| 08:51.47 | moshii | Veros: why not backup the files opposed to the fs? |
| 08:51.47 | piju | fireba11, then i will figure it out, coz im n00b too |
| 08:52.01 | Veros | moshii: it's not about a backup! |
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| 08:52.29 | Veros | I want to put this image in the internet for others and want to reduce bandwith of downloads |
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| 08:52.50 | fireba11 | piju: example for streaming content ? or what ? |
| 08:52.55 | xingu | Veros: there's only two technologies I'm aware of that can put that jack back in that box; zfs storage pools (ie as utilised by per-zone filesystems); and some of the trickier block-level stuff that emc has. |
| 08:53.03 | moshii | ponders that bandwidth is a really misused term |
| 08:53.04 | piju | fireba11, yes, |
| 08:53.21 | piju | fireba11, give me the example of situation that need udp like what u said |
| 08:53.28 | Veros | xingu: I didn't understand anything of what you said) |
| 08:53.28 | xingu | Veros: beyond that, if you want to undo the effect of lazy allocation, you need to as moshii says, copy the files to a new image, and drop the old one |
| 08:53.54 | fireba11 | piju : youtube ? skype ? :-) |
| 08:54.18 | piju | fireba11, my client can watch youtube |
| 08:54.25 | piju | fireba11, and i dont allow skype here |
| 08:54.25 | Veros | xingu: that was what I am asking ---> <Veros> if I copy the file from one HDD image to another, they will become less fragmented, right? (will the files be more or less close in the filesystem) |
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| 08:54.51 | moshii | Veros: The fs will order the data on the disk for performance.. |
| 08:54.55 | xingu | Veros: for ufs-like filesystems, yes; for banded filesystems like ntfs or jfs, no. |
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| 08:55.06 | Veros | it is ext |
| 08:55.20 | Veros | will it place them together? |
| 08:55.23 | xingu | Veros: qualifies as ufs-like; it uses a block bitmap allocator |
| 08:55.29 | Veros | so yes |
| 08:55.50 | Veros | nice, then I'll just copy |
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| 08:56.16 | xingu | Veros: nb you'd get the same effect by just producing an ISO image from the filesystem... |
| 08:56.31 | syntech | where can i find information on intel pro wireless 3945 abg card?? |
| 08:56.38 | xingu | Veros: and depending on use-case it might be simpler for your audience to deal with the ISO image instead |
| 08:56.40 | Veros | I don't need it as ISO I need it exactly as HDD image |
| 08:56.46 | streuner | syntech: google? |
| 08:56.59 | Veros | because it will be writeable |
| 08:57.07 | xingu | UDF then ;) |
| 08:57.12 | Veros | and btw it is a virtual machine |
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| 08:57.20 | Veros | no compact disks! |
| 08:57.21 | xingu | yes, I'd guessed that much |
| 08:57.28 | streuner | !listvals 3945 |
| 08:57.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of '3945' by value (6): ipw3945 reload ;; ipw3945 firmware ;; iwlwifi ;; ipw3945 ;; wireless ;; ipw3945-fu. |
| 08:57.38 | xingu | which is why I'm bothering to explain where the true problem lies and what the solution to it is :) |
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| 08:58.06 | Veros | xingu: your explanations are beyond my undertsanding:) if you could make them simoler |
| 08:58.09 | streuner | syntech: /msg dpkg ipw3945 and /msg dpkg iwlwifi - there is an entry in wiki.debian.org about, IIRC |
| 08:58.11 | Veros | *simpler... |
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| 08:58.57 | xingu | Veros: speaking of saving bandwidth - google. :) |
| 08:59.12 | Veros | google? |
| 08:59.25 | Veros | what does google have to do with that? |
| 08:59.30 | syntech | i already did that |
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| 09:02.03 | xingu | heh, zfs-fuse, neat. |
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| 09:15.47 | SlimG | Does openssh-blacklist in lenny blacklist the ssh-keys that was generated from that "faulty keygenerator"? |
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| 09:16.08 | hoxu | what log/printk settings determine whether I/O errors from mass storage etc are sent to syslo? |
| 09:18.58 | wols_ | SlimG: apt-cache show openssh-blacklist |
| 09:20.12 | SlimG | wols_: Is that package used by the ssh-server or the ssh-client to determin if a key is weak? |
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| 09:21.16 | SlimG | In other words: Will my client refuse to connect to any servers uintil I have generated a nonweak keypair? or will the server refuse to let me connect with a weak key? |
| 09:22.40 | moshii | SlimG: I think the sshd won't accept weak keys during authentication.. |
| 09:23.32 | moshii | SlimG: when you upgrade the openssh-server package it will generate new host keys.. so you'll have to update the entry in your knownhosts file |
| 09:23.51 | SlimG | mkay, thanks for the info moshii |
| 09:23.59 | syntech | hey guys |
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| 09:25.00 | hoxu | How can I disable/enable mass storage I/O errors from being written to /var/log/syslog? |
| 09:25.09 | apal | Hello |
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| 09:27.36 | Maulkin | Lotarian: Please don't do that |
| 09:27.43 | syntech | whats a good wieless program to view networks? |
| 09:27.52 | apal | I'm trying to configure the place where apache2 stores its logs on etch, however my apache2.conf doesn"t mention the LogLevel, ErrorLog, or anything that's log-related |
| 09:27.52 | Guerin | !ops ban Lotarian and Roshev |
| 09:27.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: guerin complains about: ban Lotarian and Roshev |
| 09:27.55 | Maulkin | and you too Roshev |
| 09:28.02 | Guerin | oh, hi Maulkin |
| 09:28.04 | Roshev | :-( |
| 09:28.17 | Lotarian | fuck you |
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| 09:28.32 | Roshev | . |
| 09:28.34 | syntech | is there an app that allows me to view wireless networks? |
| 09:28.43 | Roshev | i |
| 09:28.48 | pumpkin0 | syntech: iwlist eth0 scan |
| 09:28.51 | Guerin | syntech: iwlist |
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| 09:29.11 | wols_ | apal: it does |
| 09:29.17 | wols_ | apal: grep -r LogLevel /etc/apache2 |
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| 09:31.05 | apal | ok, thanks wols_, with grep I can see that LogLevel is set on "warn", however when I edit the file with vi I don't see these lines |
| 09:31.22 | syntech | ty pumpkin0 |
| 09:32.27 | wols_ | apal: get your eyes examined |
| 09:34.10 | apal | well, i must be yet another dump user, you're right, i missed the bottom of the configuration file |
| 09:34.29 | apal | thanks and have a good day :) |
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| 09:35.48 | syntech | umm |
| 09:35.57 | syntech | pumpkin0: how would i connect to the network? |
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| 09:36.28 | pumpkin0 | syntech: "man iwconfig" |
| 09:36.34 | syntech | o |
| 09:36.45 | syntech | thx |
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| 09:37.26 | Veros | in my script there is a line - apt-get -y --force-yes remove package; and when there is a prompt 'Type 'Yes, do as I say', it doesn't wait for input, aborts and continues; how can I make it wait for input? |
| 09:37.39 | Oxyd00m | syntech try also wicd |
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| 09:38.43 | syntech | iwconfigdont have that |
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| 09:41.13 | pumpkin0 | syntech: install it ? |
| 09:41.17 | syntech | it seems like its on |
| 09:41.35 | amphi | seems? ;) |
| 09:41.40 | pumpkin0 | syntech: connected to the net or iwconfig installed ? |
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| 09:42.54 | syntech | lol |
| 09:42.54 | syntech | ( i'm very rusty in linux atm -.- ) |
| 09:43.10 | syntech | brb |
| 09:43.12 | pumpkin0 | syntech: it is a 3 steps thing: get the right encryption-key, connect to the net, get a valid IP/gateway/DNS. Where are you now? |
| 09:43.36 | syntech | ip/gateway/dns |
| 09:43.39 | syntech | brb lets see if it works |
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| 09:45.41 | pozic | Why does dpkg -S /usr/bin/emerald return nothing, while /usr/bin/emerald exists? |
| 09:46.01 | pozic | I didn't install it from source myself. |
| 09:46.14 | pumpkin0 | pozic: how did you install it then ? |
| 09:46.33 | pozic | pumpkin0: One of aptitude/synaptic/apt-get. |
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| 09:48.36 | pumpkin0 | pozic: ok, which package did you install? |
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| 09:49.09 | pozic | pumpkin0: uhm, that's what the query should answer. |
| 09:49.15 | Danker | Hi |
| 09:49.23 | pozic | pumpkin0: I wouldn't have executed the command if I had known the answer already. |
| 09:49.47 | pumpkin0 | pozic: cause the file emerald is not listed on debian.org in any package. |
| 09:50.01 | sladi | Hi! Should I report a bug to installation-reports to tell what wen't wrong with the installer? |
| 09:50.31 | pozic | pumpkin0: well, then I will just delete it. |
| 09:51.00 | pozic | pumpkin0: there is an emerald theme manager in a Gnome menu. |
| 09:51.13 | pozic | pumpkin0: so, I would expect that it is part of Gnome... weird. |
| 09:51.16 | pumpkin0 | pozic: are you sure you didn't include some ubuntu repos in you soucres list ? |
| 09:51.40 | pozic | pumpkin0: yes. |
| 09:51.54 | pumpkin0 | pozic: and it is not a link? |
| 09:52.01 | pozic | pumpkin0: no, it's not a link. |
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| 09:52.13 | pozic | pumpkin0: I am not that "sure", btw. |
| 09:52.29 | pozic | pumpkin0: it could have been years ago that I did something like that, but I cannot imagine I did so. |
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| 09:53.31 | pumpkin0 | Politoed: if apt does not know about the file then 1.: the install-script created it and it should be a link or 2. it was a .tar.gz (source or pre-compiled). |
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| 10:26.18 | rootmos | after an apt-get upgrade and a new initrd i am unable to boot the server with an old kernel it works. Cant find init it complains. |
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| 10:27.13 | moshii | rootmos: where does it stop booting? |
| 10:27.31 | ddalton | xingu> around? |
| 10:27.37 | wols_ | !tell rootmos about errors |
| 10:27.43 | ddalton | xingu sorry |
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| 10:30.07 | rootmos | kinit=no resume image, doing normal boot, target filesystem dosent have a/sbin/init try passing. I use both md and lvm |
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| 10:31.22 | rootmos | i have tried to make a new initrd but that did not help |
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| 10:38.13 | wols_ | rootmos: read what dpkg told you |
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| 10:42.14 | rootmos | wols_: I have read it and i know it is difficult to helt me if i do not ask the right question. But if i had more info i would tell you. |
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| 10:43.17 | varlon | Why at last 4 month I have to much problems with debian lenny? :) before it was a stable OS, firstly I lost my 915resolution and got a new intel video driver, and have a problems with dri until now, secondly I lost gnome-network-admin and have much problems with wi-fi, it's a better way? |
| 10:43.24 | wols_ | is your root mounted? |
| 10:43.33 | wols_ | or what does it say when it tries to? |
| 10:43.53 | wols_ | varlon: why do you run lenny? |
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| 10:44.27 | sabgenton | what is a leaf mirror |
| 10:44.28 | wols_ | lenny is NOT stable and never ever was. if you expect stability you run the wrong debian branch. you cannot run testing and demand stability |
| 10:44.42 | sabgenton | opposed to say Push-Primary |
| 10:45.01 | wols_ | sabgenton: is this a debian question? |
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| 10:45.10 | sabgenton | yes |
| 10:45.24 | rootmos | wols_:brb |
| 10:45.24 | sabgenton | the debian website says |
| 10:45.30 | sabgenton | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:45.45 | wols_ | leaf mirrors get their updates from other mirrors basically |
| 10:45.51 | wols_ | they fetch them |
| 10:45.57 | varlon | wols_, I want to tell, that early lenny was better :) it's not a pretense, it's just scream of my (private) soul :-) |
| 10:46.08 | cisconub | yeah and the leaf mirrors update from the push-primary's , the push-primary's update from debian |
| 10:46.31 | cisconub | doesn't actually work like that, but if that helps you understand the difference. |
| 10:46.50 | sabgenton | wols_: ok so Push-Primary Push-Secondary then leaf? |
| 10:46.53 | cisconub | Doesn't really matter unless you plan to put up a mirror |
| 10:47.10 | Bushmills | varlon: that the result of work in progress, things have to change, or they don't |
| 10:47.13 | sabgenton | leaf grabs from secondary? |
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| 10:48.03 | cisconub | usually leafs pull from some sort of master server |
| 10:48.08 | varlon | I hope, that release will realy better, not what we have now :) |
| 10:48.11 | christoz | hello , HSQLDB is the default database that a debian user can use? |
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| 10:48.33 | sladi | How should I autostart applications per user for an xsession? I use the Wmii window-manager and it seems it hasn't special autostart folders. |
| 10:48.34 | wols_ | christoz: there is no defualt DB, and what is HSQLDB in the first place? |
| 10:48.47 | varlon | I want to send bug reports, but my english so bad |
| 10:48.53 | sabgenton | cisconub: like Push-Primary? |
| 10:49.12 | sladi | I tried a ~/.xsession file but it doesn't do anything. |
| 10:49.16 | Bushmills | varlon: no, of course when lenny becomes stable, it will be much worse. that's the purpose if it, starting with a good system, and butcher it to become unusable before releasing it. |
| 10:50.12 | Bushmills | the trick is starting with a good system. and in fact, a lot of work could be saved by not changing anything right from the beginning. |
| 10:51.02 | docmax | hello, when my drive is very busy, by desktop is very slow responding. how can i fix that? |
| 10:51.19 | Bushmills | you might want to file a bug report, in which you demand that no changes should be applied to the initial system, to prevent deterioration |
| 10:51.27 | cisconub | sabgenton http://www.debian.org/mirror/push_mirroring |
| 10:52.32 | cisconub | so then a push-secondary would get pushed from the primary |
| 10:52.43 | cisconub | and a leaf most likely is manually updated or updates from a secondary |
| 10:52.53 | cisconub | not like the debian website explains it or anything |
| 10:53.17 | christoz | wols_ i have an installation tutorial for liferay,and says ,for linux users ,using mysql instead of HSQLDB follow the instructions |
| 10:53.33 | christoz | this why i'm asking |
| 10:53.41 | sabgenton | it didn't seem to |
| 10:53.47 | sabgenton | for leaf |
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| 10:54.19 | sabgenton | ok so leaf come from probley ethier of the other tow |
| 10:54.23 | sabgenton | two |
| 10:54.48 | sabgenton | but its can be periodic |
| 10:54.58 | sabgenton | its not pushed |
| 10:55.19 | idimmu | christoz: you use liferay? |
| 10:55.20 | idimmu | heh |
| 10:55.28 | idimmu | we've sunk over £1million in to that piece of shit |
| 10:55.31 | christoz | i'm trying to |
| 10:55.34 | christoz | idimmu, |
| 10:55.35 | idimmu | worst blight to ever grace our company |
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| 10:55.39 | MacGyverNL | I want to uninstall GDM, but keep the Gnome Desktop Environmen. |
| 10:55.43 | MacGyverNL | +t |
| 10:55.51 | christoz | idimmu, what do you mean? |
| 10:56.10 | MacGyverNL | However, when I mark GDM for uninstallation in Synaptic, it wants to mark Gnome DE as well. |
| 10:56.20 | MacGyverNL | How do I circumvent this? |
| 10:56.27 | liable | MacGyverNL: thats just a meta package |
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| 10:56.56 | idimmu | we run several liferay cms instances for customers, we've had to employ several full time developers to bug fix, and all our liferay instances have to be restarted at 4am because they leak memory like a mother fucker |
| 10:57.00 | Bushmills | MacGyverNL: afaik, gnome is only a meta package, creating dependencies to all sort of gnome stuff including gdm. |
| 10:57.20 | Bushmills | so you should be fine having gnome uninstallable as well |
| 10:57.21 | cisconub | sabgenton http://www.edos-project.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main/DistroToEndUser?xpage=print& |
| 10:57.30 | MacGyverNL | Okay, clears it up. |
| 10:57.32 | MacGyverNL | Thanks. |
| 10:57.40 | cisconub | so debian's definition of a "leaf" is a mirror that is not used to update other mirrors |
| 10:57.40 | christoz | idimmu ,oh |
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| 10:57.46 | cisconub | it also explains push/pull |
| 10:57.49 | christoz | this is BAD |
| 10:57.55 | idimmu | we also pay for liferay support |
| 10:58.07 | idimmu | which we rate between shit and none at all |
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| 10:58.49 | christoz | well, i have to use it,it's final project fro my sclool |
| 10:58.50 | christoz | :P |
| 10:58.54 | idimmu | heh |
| 10:59.23 | christoz | idimmu, so thwere is no future for it eh? |
| 10:59.32 | christoz | it is doomed |
| 10:59.33 | pucko- | hello. I would like to save a clean file with all my installed packages, can someone help me with a sed command or something that prints every word after "ii" (from "dpkg -l")? |
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| 11:00.36 | dc2447 | Hi - I am starting to build some debs of my own software - after running dh_make - I'm always left with a rules file that tries to autoconf/make etc - could anyone point me in the direction of an example where it's just copying files rather than building a binary? |
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| 11:01.02 | idimmu | christoz: it will work for a project, but the idea of actually using it in an important, permanent environment is scary |
| 11:01.20 | Maulkin | dc2447: try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 11:01.49 | christoz | idimmu can you tell me why this happening -->http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/8499/screenshotat3.png |
| 11:01.51 | dc2447 | Maulkin: thanks |
| 11:02.38 | idimmu | just asking one of our devs |
| 11:02.57 | ggeecko | is there a way to have gnome terminal go to the sys tray and keep running |
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| 11:03.17 | idimmu | he says to make sure the database is initialised properly, make sure liferay can read it and make sure the defaultcompanyid is set in the properties |
| 11:04.29 | christoz | idimmu what version of liferay-tomcat bundle do oy suggest? |
| 11:04.35 | christoz | to download |
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| 11:06.13 | sabgenton | cisconub: ok so push or pull leaf servers are at the bottom of the food chain |
| 11:06.23 | sabgenton | and don't server other mirrors |
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| 11:06.56 | MacGyverNL | Hmm. |
| 11:06.57 | idimmu | we use it on tomcat5.5 |
| 11:07.12 | idimmu | we build from src tho |
| 11:07.24 | gaz | hi if i want to just intall a standard debian system with gnome do i only require the first cd? |
| 11:07.39 | idimmu | i try to have as little to do with it as possible as it's such a fuck tbh! |
| 11:08.03 | MacGyverNL | After uninstalling GDM and killing X (ctrl+alt+backspace) it tries to restart X and I get the error "Cannot start greeter application. This display will be disabled. Try logging in through other means and edit the configuration file." Which configuration file is it talking about? |
| 11:08.12 | MacGyverNL | (startx command by itself works) |
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| 11:24.20 | gwardone | when is lenny coming out? |
| 11:24.29 | wols_ | !tell gwardone about WIR |
| 11:24.52 | Bushmills | gwardone: within the next 2 years |
| 11:25.02 | wols_ | Bushmills: naive optimist |
| 11:25.07 | gwardone | yeah. curious about the schedule. |
| 11:25.18 | Bushmills | ehm .. lenny is out , |
| 11:25.36 | Bushmills | i think question was meant to be "when will lenny become stable" |
| 11:25.40 | gaz | could someone please confirm if I only require cd1 to install basic install with gnome, so i dont wastelessly download the other cds |
| 11:26.28 | Bushmills | wols_: it will have to, or there won't be a lot of computer around anymore on which etch runs |
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| 11:27.27 | christoz | idimmu, does "mysql-connector-java-5.1.6-bin.jar" come with the liferay bundle? |
| 11:27.41 | christoz | please ai get no answer forom the formus |
| 11:27.44 | Bushmills | gaz: can't you do a net install? |
| 11:27.47 | christoz | forums*] |
| 11:28.27 | wols_ | Bushmills: etchnhalf! after all it has the same kernel (which still boggles my mind) |
| 11:28.33 | Bushmills | gaz, of you can, downloading a while cd is wasteless download too |
| 11:28.43 | Bushmills | whole |
| 11:28.48 | wols_ | christoz: is "mysql-connector-java-5.1.6-bin.jar" part of debian? |
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| 11:29.13 | Bushmills | yes. time for etchthreequarters |
| 11:29.29 | christoz | wols_ dunno :p |
| 11:29.34 | wols_ | etchnhalf is a big failure so far imho |
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| 11:29.47 | Crypticfortune | I'd just like to sing a quick praise to debian. Yay!!! |
| 11:29.51 | wols_ | christoz: I doubt it. which means it'S OT here. especially since liferay sounds proprietary |
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| 11:30.48 | Bushmills | libmysql-java: /usr/share/java/mysql-connector-java-5.1.6.ja |
| 11:30.59 | rootmos | wols_: i could mount / manually but still the error is no such device and no such file or directory |
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| 11:31.43 | rootmos | wols_: but it doesnt say which device or which directory |
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| 11:32.04 | wols_ | rootmos: your / |
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| 11:32.22 | Crypticfortune | I'm currently rescuing my dead macbook hard drive which mac os x claimed to be corrupt and unrepairable with the linux HFS support (works great!). more impressive, when i plugged in the mac hard drive my main debian hard drive lost power for a second (crap power supply i guess), but once power came back it detected the hard drive again and proceeded normally. thoroughly impressed! |
| 11:32.48 | rootmos | wols_: yes, and that is on /dev/LVM/name |
| 11:33.41 | Bushmills | Crypticfortune: apples sells hardware. linux doesn't |
| 11:33.44 | Bushmills | apple... |
| 11:34.16 | wols_ | rootmos: then that needs to show up in your logs/screen when booting |
| 11:34.30 | rootmos | wols_: I just do not know where to look now. I have another kernel and that works. So the only thing i can think of is there maybe something wrong in the initrd |
| 11:34.48 | wols_ | you need to look ON THE SCREEN when the new kernel boots |
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| 11:35.41 | Bushmills | didn't say the mini howto: during boot you need to pick your nose? |
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| 11:35.50 | Crypticfortune | Bushmills: actually i bought the drive not from apple, so i can't blame them for that. I can blame them for nuking their own filesystem however... >_> (it's working fine under linux hfs right now =P |
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| 11:36.34 | Bushmills | blasphemy. non apple hardware in an apple computer. no wonder it failed. |
| 11:36.37 | rootmos | wols_: yes i am looking at the screen and the error message is that the target filesystem dosent have a /sbin/init try passing init= |
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| 11:37.11 | wols_ | rootmos: there is MORE on that screen |
| 11:37.50 | Bushmills | yes. a fly droppng bottom right |
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| 11:39.39 | JarZk1 | juuh |
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| 11:42.00 | jamesstanley | Is anyone here familiar with the fish shell? |
| 11:42.21 | MacGyverNL | I think I took the wrong approach here, restored the snapshot with GDM installed. |
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| 11:43.17 | MacGyverNL | What I want to do is run gnome using XMing on a windows XP machine. For this I need the GDM, correct? |
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| 11:43.55 | MacGyverNL | (Remote X session using the display manager on Debian to manage the X server on windows) |
| 11:44.53 | Bushmills | can you really install debian gnome in such a setup? |
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| 11:45.25 | jamesstanley | MacGyverNL, I do a similar thing on my server |
| 11:45.28 | jamesstanley | But with KDE |
| 11:45.36 | jamesstanley | Install gnome on the server |
| 11:45.51 | jamesstanley | And an X server on the client |
| 11:46.33 | jamesstanley | You don't need a GDM, but it makes it possible to use XDMCP |
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| 11:49.18 | MacGyverNL | jamesstanley: I want to use the gnome window manager on the server to manage the X server on my client. Do I *have* to use XDMCP for that or can I just run the gnome window manager and tell it to display on the client's X server. That's what I'm wondering right now. |
| 11:49.34 | jamesstanley | You don't have to use XDMCP |
| 11:49.42 | jamesstanley | I do it by using X forwarding with SSH |
| 11:49.49 | jamesstanley | But I am going through my school's proxy, so I have little choice |
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| 11:50.18 | jamesstanley | It is possible to do it without XDMCP and without SSH |
| 11:50.28 | MacGyverNL | Well, from what I know of XDMCP it's inherently insecure, so... |
| 11:50.33 | jamesstanley | I can't remember how, but it involves something like 'xhosts +client_machine' |
| 11:50.38 | jamesstanley | Remote X isn't secure |
| 11:50.40 | MacGyverNL | I'd rather go the SSH route. |
| 11:50.45 | jamesstanley | Yeah |
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| 11:50.53 | jamesstanley | If you're going through the internet, definitely use SSH |
| 11:51.01 | jamesstanley | On a LAN, it's not really required |
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| 11:51.33 | maligor | unless the NSA has installed snooping devices on your switch |
| 11:51.35 | MacGyverNL | But I want it to look like a VNC session, if you know what I mean. Having a single window which will display the remote session. |
| 11:51.50 | jamesstanley | XMing has an option for that |
| 11:51.55 | jamesstanley | IIRC |
| 11:52.04 | jamesstanley | In XLaunch you can pick something like 'One window for everything' |
| 11:52.32 | Crypticfortune | MacGyverNL: if you want it to look like a vnc session, you might want to consider actually using vnc ;) |
| 11:52.51 | jamesstanley | MacGyverNL, I did the whole-session-over-ssh thing, it's not great |
| 11:52.59 | jamesstanley | You're better off just running the programs you need |
| 11:53.00 | Crypticfortune | MacGyverNL: seriously. it's very handy. persistent session, runs very fast, good time had by all. |
| 11:53.06 | jamesstanley | That reduces traffic a lot |
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| 11:53.50 | idimmu | christoz: dont think so |
| 11:53.53 | idimmu | its on the mysql site tho |
| 11:53.57 | jamesstanley | MacGyverNL, NX works a lot like VNC, but is generally faster |
| 11:54.04 | jamesstanley | Unfortunately NX is shrouded in proprietary mystery |
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| 11:54.16 | jamesstanley | s/works/feels |
| 11:54.27 | joschan | Hi, please could someone help me understand the bind9 issue. I have 3 sarge production machines running. They are using bind9-host but not bind9. Version is 1:9.2.4-1sarge3, so the machines are in danger? And the y will not get updates? |
| 11:54.39 | christoz | idimmu .i've fixed my problem...i was editing the Hypersonic paragraph instead of MySql :p |
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| 11:54.54 | idimmu | heh |
| 11:54.57 | ronr | is it a bug or a feature if I am able to read files (as root) that were chmodded to 000 ? |
| 11:55.08 | idimmu | feature |
| 11:55.12 | abrotman | joschan: your system will not get updates .. sarge hasn't gotten security support for a few months now |
| 11:55.22 | abrotman | ronr: that's normal |
| 11:55.43 | joschan | I abrotman so i tell the clients they have to pay for the upgrade to etch |
| 11:55.51 | ronr | idimmu: abrotman: ok... seemed weird |
| 11:55.52 | joschan | and in the meantime there is anything i can do? |
| 11:56.06 | idimmu | well if 000 ment noone could read them |
| 11:56.09 | idimmu | that could be a disaster |
| 11:56.15 | abrotman | joschan: uh .. etch is free |
| 11:56.16 | joschan | can i exchange bind9-host for something that is not affected? |
| 11:56.21 | MacGyverNL | jamesstanley: Perhaps you're right about only running the applications I need, starting with an XTerm. |
| 11:56.33 | jamesstanley | Yeah, it makes it quite a lot faster |
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| 11:56.49 | jamesstanley | Saves sending loads of information for the window manager and desktop environment |
| 11:57.11 | joschan | abrotman: when we upgrade we will also upgrade to a new server, it is old too, this costs setup 100 euros, plus the money for me |
| 11:57.15 | MacGyverNL | But gnome looks nicer than the windows desktop :P |
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| 11:57.28 | abrotman | joschan: jeez .. the server can't be that old |
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| 11:57.43 | abrotman | joschan: anyways .. i'd say yes, your systems are affected |
| 11:58.09 | jamesstanley | joschan, as a general rule of thumb: if in doubt, consider yourself affected ;) |
| 11:58.13 | Crypticfortune | joschan: bind9-host is just the /usr/bin/host program, i doubt that's the critical part anyway... |
| 11:58.38 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: it got updated |
| 11:58.54 | abrotman | joschan: there is a way to test it |
| 11:59.09 | joschan | Crypticfortune: does bind9 and bind9-host have the same version number always? |
| 11:59.14 | joschan | test it? |
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| 11:59.40 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: ya, i'm aware. but technically it's his glibc that will most likely be getting him into trouble if someone actually attacks his DNS, yes? |
| 12:00.08 | abrotman | !dsa1603 |
| 12:00.09 | dpkg | it has been said that dsa1603 is structural dns design flaw. the end of the world is near, unless dns updated. test the dns you're using here: http://www.doxpara.com/ |
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| 12:11.19 | wols_ | AVRS: you can't do this. those non free unstable packages will drag in all their dependencies in from unstable. |
| 12:11.31 | wols_ | AVRS: what you can do is a /msg dpkg ssb |
| 12:12.40 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: whooah. um thanks for that dns test thing. this bug is a totally different fish than what i thought it was.... |
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| 12:13.38 | AVRS | wols_: hmm? Thanks, but I have configured apt_preferences already⦠What I want is to see if the package has a newer version there, and be able to upgrade, but not see the list. Dependencies are not a very big problem, because I could include the dependencies, too. The packages are tango-icon-theme (non-free) and nouveau ones (sid). |
| 12:14.11 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: i'm not sure that check is really what he was looking for .. but oh well |
| 12:14.20 | MacGyverNL | Well, if I'm only going to use X forwarding over SSH I can uninstall GDM anyway, I guess? |
| 12:14.30 | MacGyverNL | I mean, I don't need the graphical login anymore. |
| 12:14.31 | wols_ | then only keep non-free from sid around and don't have main and such in your sources.list |
| 12:15.26 | AVRS | Guess I talk confusingly. I have "lenny main non-free" and "sid main" in my sources.list. |
| 12:15.45 | AVRS | And "stable main". |
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| 12:16.00 | abrotman | uh what? |
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| 12:16.44 | Crypticfortune | MacGyverNL: yes (as in, no you don't need it) |
| 12:17.29 | abrotman | I kind of wish the DSAs at least would say if sarge is affected, even if they don't offer a fix |
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| 12:17.42 | AVRS | wols_: And preferences are set up so that the "newest" versions are those that are lenny main; all the non-free, stable and unstable have negative priority, except for some of them (tango-icon-theme from lenny non-free, shorewall from stable main, and nouveau stuff [not yet, actually] from experimental. |
| 12:17.44 | AVRS | ) |
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| 12:20.17 | MacGyverNL | Crypticfortune, jamesstanley: It looks like GDM is able to tunnel XDMCP sessions over SSH btw, according to http://www.gnome.org/projects/gdm/docs/2.18/overview.html#secureremote |
| 12:20.36 | MacGyverNL | (Not that I'm going to use it now, but it's there) |
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| 12:21.29 | Crypticfortune | abrotman: hmm. i'm confused about this DNS thing now. what's "suppposed" to happen from that DNS test? one box that i thought i fixed up as per the DSA recommendation is getting redirected to localhost, which is i'm pretty sure, not good. |
| 12:21.35 | AVRS | The only problem is that I now have to check if a package is non-free when finding it, and that the lists are long and thus processed slowly. |
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| 12:22.29 | abrotman | Crypticfortune: both the DSA and that website are .. lacking |
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| 12:22.36 | syntech | hello |
| 12:22.39 | joschan | abrotman, Crypticfortune, for me it would be of great value to understand that "bind9-host" is not affected (this is the program that queries other machines?), and bind9 is not running, so i do not have to be worried? |
| 12:22.50 | abrotman | oh he did come back |
| 12:23.14 | abrotman | joschan: i have etch systems here that don't have the bind9 daemon running .. and they did get updated |
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| 12:23.38 | abrotman | joschan: TBH .. you may want to ask #bind .. explain to them your situation .. see if they have a good way to know if you are affected |
| 12:23.46 | abrotman | hrm .. #bind is gone ... |
| 12:23.55 | syntech | i got my ipw3945 driver installed, how do i connect with a key with iwconfig |
| 12:24.10 | syntech | or just switch to the wireless instead of eth0 |
| 12:24.15 | abrotman | there is a #dns though ... |
| 12:25.24 | Crypticfortune | joschan: i don't think i understand this problem correctly, so i don't think i can help you. but suffice it to say that as sarge is no longer getting updates, you still have the old bind9-host which should (in theory) be affected. But again, bind9-host is only /usr/bin/host and is only going to cause problems for people using /usr/bin/host. it's glibc/whatever resolver set up you have that's going to cause issues. |
| 12:26.04 | abrotman | there is a #bind9 .. though it is small |
| 12:26.51 | Bushmills | Crypticfortune: after test it should look a bit like this: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1215632966473710922.png |
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| 12:27.31 | Bushmills | no idea how the the opposite test result looks like |
| 12:28.11 | lrp | hwy there how can i install all cpan modules ?? |
| 12:28.13 | abrotman | and there are no patches for libc resolver yet from what the DSA says |
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| 12:28.29 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1605 |
| 12:28.29 | Crypticfortune | Bushmills: wow, i see nothing like that. hang on and i'll show you... |
| 12:28.43 | Bushmills | Crypticfortune: needs javascript enabled |
| 12:28.45 | syntech | hi |
| 12:28.45 | lrp | i need to install File/Tail.pm |
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| 12:29.09 | lrp | any ideas ?? |
| 12:29.10 | syntech | i need some help with ipw3945, exactly how to i connect with iwconfig? |
| 12:29.29 | abrotman | lrp: which verseion of debian ? |
| 12:29.43 | syntech | i did iwconfig eth1 essid "linksys" key "<>" |
| 12:30.20 | syntech | it says its receiving packets |
| 12:30.21 | chops | lrp: In general you shouldn't use CPAN on a Debian system |
| 12:30.32 | abrotman | !find File/Tail.pm etch |
| 12:30.34 | chops | lrp: Use aptitude install libfile-tail-perl (see 'apt-file search Tail.pm') |
| 12:30.37 | lrp | debian etch |
| 12:30.46 | joschan | What I found out is, if I am nor running a "caching resolver" i am not affected |
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| 12:31.21 | lrp | [chops] thanks let me try |
| 12:31.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'File/Tail.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl5/File/Tail.pm) in perl/libfile-tail-perl. |
| 12:31.39 | Bushmills | joschan: yes and no. if you don't use one, you'll use somebody else's. oyur provider's maybe. |
| 12:31.46 | Crypticfortune | Bushmills: finally pasted http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/9703/strangeresultscq1.png |
| 12:31.47 | abrotman | still votes joschan goes to etch :) |
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| 12:32.10 | Bushmills | joschan: if that one is vulnerable, you are still affected |
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| 12:32.31 | liable | yes, why the hell is he still on sarge? |
| 12:32.37 | abrotman | because |
| 12:32.54 | liable | insightfull |
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| 12:33.05 | abrotman | i don't make insight .. i just repeat it! |
| 12:33.44 | aliumalik | does anyone know a find command for "folders not containing the file disc.jpg" |
| 12:34.14 | Crypticfortune | Bushmills: (that is, btw, definitely getting redirected to me. shows up in my apache log =P |
| 12:34.17 | chops | aliumalik: for x in `find . -type d`; do [ -f $x/disc.jpg ] || echo $x; done |
| 12:34.29 | Bushmills | Crypticfortune: i just reran the test, and it (still) works. |
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| 12:35.31 | ma3x_ | is this 5 * * * * for crontab to run every 5 mins? |
| 12:35.37 | abrotman | no |
| 12:35.48 | inigo | the minute 5 of everu hour |
| 12:35.54 | inigo | every |
| 12:36.07 | abrotman | ma3x_: man 5 crontab |
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| 12:36.34 | ma3x_ | i guess * * * * * huh? |
| 12:36.36 | joschan | yes, i will definitely go to etch as fast as possible. |
| 12:36.37 | abrotman | ma3x_: man 5 crontab |
| 12:37.02 | abrotman | joschan: FYI .. the 'plan' for lenny is around the end of the year |
| 12:37.11 | ma3x_ | my laptop has page up/down key but has no home/end |
| 12:37.21 | ma3x_ | the home/end is on the same key as pgup/down in circle |
| 12:37.29 | ma3x_ | so how do i execute home/end? |
| 12:37.32 | chops | ma3x_: Is that your explanation for why you can't read the man page? |
| 12:37.40 | chops | ma3x_: < and > respectively in less |
| 12:37.46 | NoxIn | */5 * * * * for every 5 mins |
| 12:37.49 | aliumalik | chops: does not work...its for my music library files stored as "artist\album\nn. title" trying to complete album art |
| 12:37.55 | abrotman | NoxIn: really? let him read the man page |
| 12:38.04 | NoxIn | oops sorry :) |
| 12:38.09 | ma3x_ | * * * * * works as well! |
| 12:38.12 | abrotman | no it doesn't |
| 12:38.17 | NoxIn | no |
| 12:38.18 | ma3x_ | yes it does! |
| 12:38.22 | NoxIn | * * * * * is every minutes |
| 12:38.23 | abrotman | that's every minute |
| 12:38.26 | chops | aliumalik: What's it do? I haven't tried it, but it looks right to me. Do you have spaces in your filenames? |
| 12:38.35 | ma3x_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:38.41 | ma3x_ | yes, sorry I wanted every minute |
| 12:38.44 | abrotman | wtf |
| 12:38.50 | chops | Hahaha |
| 12:39.00 | abrotman | yeah .. every minute is kind of like every five minutes |
| 12:39.12 | aliumalik | chops: yes spaces are there...it just lists all folders |
| 12:39.12 | ma3x_ | what about home/end key? |
| 12:39.21 | ma3x_ | alt+page up/down doesnt work |
| 12:39.41 | inigo | ma3x, if you can't use home|end (that should be fn + key or something like) anyway you can change $PAGER, to enable up/down arrow moving |
| 12:40.18 | inigo | i use o use most as PAGER, that also enable colors in man pages, and can split the screen, etc |
| 12:40.21 | chops | ma3x_: Were you listening when I told you the answer to that question? |
| 12:40.22 | Bushmills | Crypticfortune: tried a different browser, konqueror now, and turned off use of proxy, getting the same error as you with it. |
| 12:40.35 | chops | aliumalik: Ah, makes sense. With spaces is trickier, one sec |
| 12:40.42 | Crypticfortune | so the host that i _thought_ i fixed reports "unknown host" if i try to ping (for example) fd3a1f80b9ec.toorrr.com. my own box (which currently points to a djbdns dns cache server, pings 209.200.168.66 |
| 12:40.47 | ma3x_ | chops: what? about the key? |
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| 12:40.57 | ma3x_ | inigo: thanks it works! |
| 12:40.59 | chops | gives up |
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| 12:41.08 | ma3x_ | you mentioned the manpage |
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| 12:41.23 | Bushmills | Crypticfortune: me using dnscache from djbdns too |
| 12:41.52 | Crypticfortune | Bushmills: ah, i just noticed that inside that mess that that dns lookup returns is an ipv6 address ::1 (localhost) that explains the web browser results |
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| 12:42.53 | ma3x_ | what's the most stable mail server? |
| 12:42.59 | ma3x_ | what does google/yahoo/hotmail use? |
| 12:43.12 | ma3x_ | i just spoke to a dude |
| 12:43.16 | lrp | hey anyone here know how can i test mrtg config ? |
| 12:43.35 | Crypticfortune | however still doesn't explain why my "patched up host" (running bind9 locally with forwarding) would says "unknown host" (i can query it using dig/host...very confusing indeed...) |
| 12:43.40 | ma3x_ | he said he thinks debian's a mess. he mentioned as example the config files for apache/qmail .... |
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| 12:43.42 | moshii | ma3x_: you'd have to test them against your environment |
| 12:43.49 | ma3x_ | he finds fedora more reliable than debian |
| 12:44.02 | ma3x_ | i've never used that shit |
| 12:44.29 | moshii | wonders how a linux kernel in one distro can be more reliable than a kernel in another.. |
| 12:44.31 | ma3x_ | i think debian's the most stable in linux |
| 12:44.51 | ootput | moshii: experimental patches commited? |
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| 12:45.04 | Crypticfortune | (forwarding to to an also patched bind9, which is also what the djbdns dnscache is querying, but anyways...) |
| 12:45.06 | chops | aliumalik: echo '[ -f "$1/disc.jpg" ] || echo $1' > /tmp/foo; chmod +x /tmp/foo; find . -type d -print0 | xargs -0 -n 1 /tmp/foo |
| 12:45.09 | Ongavezir | Hozsanna |
| 12:45.10 | moshii | ootput: true |
| 12:45.28 | ma3x_ | moshii: why you think all linuxes are the same? |
| 12:45.47 | moshii | ootput: there again, if you were running a system that needed to be the same why would you run an os that is experimental ;) |
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| 12:46.09 | ootput | moshii: moments of idiocy ;) |
| 12:46.09 | chops | moshii: Some "stable" Linux distributions ship with odd things in their kernels |
| 12:46.16 | moshii | ma3x_: they aren't, but most of the reliability comes from the kernel |
| 12:46.35 | aliumalik | chops: excellent...thanks |
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| 12:47.14 | chops | moshii: Also, some distros make extra efforts to make particular server-class hardware super-stable (which for odd hardware it often isn't in the vanilla kernels). Debian actually doesn't do that in my experience :-(, though I'm not sure how good a job the Enterprise Ready Solutions do at it either in practice. |
| 12:47.15 | moshii | chops: yup, true. The debian kernels are pretty standard I thought |
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| 12:47.42 | Crypticfortune | Bushmills: and nope, konqueror shows the same thing (catching the ipv6 ::1 and bouncing me to localhost...) |
| 12:48.03 | chops | moshii: I had some pretty severe pain setting up an iscsi disk array on etch recently because of kernel bugs, for example. |
| 12:49.17 | inigo | but that is "compatibility" and not "stability"... lot of kernel drivers are marked as "experimental" in the default kernel config |
| 12:49.25 | moshii | chops: I had issues getting the text installer to work on some poweredges in the past,.. but once debian is running it's usually pretty smooth. It's easier to upgrade in a live environment than anything else I've seen. :) |
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| 12:49.41 | chops | moshii: Agreed |
| 12:49.47 | inigo | on compatible and well supported hardware, debian 4 is rocks |
| 12:49.52 | drax2gma | hi all |
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| 12:50.36 | moshii | With the reliability thing though.. I was suggesting that it's down to the kernel not to let software and bad drivers crash the machine,.. and that's going to be pretty level playing across all the distros. |
| 12:50.57 | Bushmills | Crypticfortune: no idea what is different. my dnscache doesn't recurse itself, but queries a dns which i run on a remote server, over vpn. but that should not matter. |
| 12:51.02 | chops | inigo: I hooked up the iscsi controller in the middle of the day to start poking at it so I could figure out what I would need to actually put it into production, and the Debian vendor kernel immediately oopsed. That's instability. |
| 12:51.03 | Crypticfortune | inigo: my hardware isn't even well supported, and today my main hard drive lost power for a couple seconds, and debian just kept on running just fine until power came back. i was very impressed ^^ |
| 12:51.56 | Bushmills | or maybe it does. haven't tried the test in an environment where the requesting dns can't be contacted because of it being on a LAN |
| 12:51.59 | moshii | Crypticfortune: disk caches :) |
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| 12:52.27 | inigo | chops, yes, and it is by not well supported hardware |
| 12:52.36 | lrp | hey there |
| 12:54.04 | inigo | dnscache only listen in one address if i remember ok... or it was tinydns :? |
| 12:54.37 | Bushmills | inigo: dnscache seem to do - at least i haven't managed yet to make it listen to > 1 |
| 12:54.41 | Crypticfortune | inigo: i think they both only listen on one address? |
| 12:54.49 | Jemt | Greetz. When I enable Skydome with this image [http://gnome-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=80894&file1=80894-1.jpg&file2=&file3=&name=Sky+over+sea+%28Animated+skydome%29], I just get a blue background that reminds me of some skyes - but it's not the skydome image. What could be wrong ? |
| 12:54.56 | inigo | may be bot, yes |
| 12:54.58 | Jemt | (Compiz( |
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| 12:55.31 | yang | If I want to copy the OS structure on a larger drive (on a bigger partition), I can just "cp -r /" and then copy the files again to the new drive, should this work? |
| 12:55.53 | abrotman | no |
| 12:56.17 | yang | what is the proper way of doing this? |
| 12:56.29 | Jemt | yang, you will still need to install the boot manager in the MBR - at least |
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| 12:56.40 | Crypticfortune | yang: i'd recommend you use rsync -a for sanity's sake, but if cp'ing, a bare minimum is cp -pr |
| 12:56.43 | chops | inigo: Not well supported is when the kernel says, "not supported, please upgrade". My production server taking a sudden vacation because it heard something over an ethernet connection that disturbed it is something entirely different. I mean, in the end it all got resolved and it's now working fine, and Debian still comes out way on the plus side for me, but it was still a pretty unhappy day. |
| 12:56.45 | yang | Jemt: I am actually talkng about SD cards |
| 12:56.46 | Bushmills | Jemt: sounds like something xv related - apps displaying video/animations bluescreen the part of screen which should show the video. |
| 12:57.07 | ktwilight | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:57.12 | MacGyverNL | http://rafb.net/p/h2bvgX16.html <-- anyone any thoughts? |
| 12:57.20 | Bushmills | Jemt: you can see that for example when trying to take a screen shot from a movie player, using xv as video output device |
| 12:57.20 | moshii | yang: it still remains that you would need some way of bootstrapping |
| 12:57.24 | ktwilight | gnome's site isn't exactly the best place for looking for such info... |
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| 12:57.43 | ktwilight | ah found |
| 12:57.44 | ktwilight | :) |
| 12:57.47 | Jemt | Bushmills: Yes, could be it. Do you know how to fix it ? |
| 12:57.55 | Bushmills | Jemt: you could try to use x11 instead of xv as video out if you can set that anywhere |
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| 12:58.24 | Jemt | Bushmills, I'm not sure where to set that option |
| 12:58.27 | moshii | Jemt: sounds like overlays aren't working... |
| 12:58.33 | Jemt | Oh? |
| 12:58.38 | Crypticfortune | yang: oh, sorry, due to linewrap i didn't notice the "/" there. yes, that'll try to copy /dev and /proc and do some very silly things. |
| 12:58.47 | Jemt | I'm not really sure what's not working. Is there some way I can fix it ? |
| 12:58.54 | inigo | chops, i agree. But... remember some years ago... hardware support was a pain... also today there are lot of vendors that don't release docs or support, lot of drivers are done by reverse engineering, that doesn't put in etch the label of "not-stable" |
| 12:59.03 | moshii | Jemt: are you using compiz or something similar? |
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| 12:59.07 | yang | Crypticfortune: hrm, so i should delete /proc afterwards? |
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| 12:59.23 | Jemt | moshii, I'm using compiz (from etch) |
| 12:59.24 | Crypticfortune | yang: hahah no. you shouldn't copy it to begin with. |
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| 12:59.37 | yang | Crypticfortune: ok |
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| 13:00.11 | chops | inigo: If you think kernel oopses don't put in something the label of "not-stable", we'll have to agree to disagree about that. |
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| 13:00.21 | Crypticfortune | yang: your entire system is on 1 partition? |
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| 13:00.39 | moshii | Jemt: I'm not sure how compiz handles overlays to be honest.. but as Bushmills said you can probably get it working but switching to the x11 output driver |
| 13:00.45 | yang | Crypticfortune: hm, yes |
| 13:01.00 | Jemt | moshii: Do you know how to perform this switch ? |
| 13:01.04 | Crypticfortune | yang: and you have a new partition and trying to migrate your system into that and trash the old one? |
| 13:01.05 | Bushmills | strictly speaking, if a system crashes consistently, in debian talk that would be "stable" :) |
| 13:01.25 | yang | Crypticfortune: not new partition, but new SD card (bigger) |
| 13:01.28 | moshii | Jemt: depends on the app, you should have some way of configuring the output driver though |
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| 13:01.44 | chops | Bushmills: As long as it didn't get any new versions that also crashed :-) |
| 13:01.48 | Jemt | moshii, Okay, thanks. I'll keep googling :) |
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| 13:02.15 | Einon | Hi! Try to create a debian package of libapache2-mod-rpaf using diff for 0.5.3 with source of 0.6 but after merging the patches, I got this: http://pastebin.com/db984c30 Any idea? |
| 13:02.29 | moshii | Jemt: maybe a GL driver would work too.. a driver that doesn't use some way to draw directly into memory will be slooow |
| 13:02.31 | Bushmills | chops. getting a new version which doesn't crash removes the "stable" characteristic |
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| 13:02.42 | chops | Bushmills: Yes, that's what I said |
| 13:02.46 | inigo | chops, I have never seen a oops on any of my 67 servers... all use debian etch. Hardware compatibility? (i haven't iscsi) |
| 13:02.55 | inigo | hp proliants G4/G5 |
| 13:03.14 | Jemt | moshii, I'm using the ATI driver with DRI |
| 13:03.16 | Bushmills | chops: misunderstood, because of "that also crashed" . i thought of "does not crash" |
| 13:03.27 | moshii | inigo: I harzard to guess there are a few million combinations of x86 hardware ;) |
| 13:03.43 | moshii | Jemt: I mean video output driver not Xorg driver :) |
| 13:03.46 | aronofsky | hi, I was wondering, I need a tool like arpwatch that monitors arp change but i dont want to send an email , i want to execute another action when new MAC are detected, any idea How I could do that ? |
| 13:03.51 | Jemt | moshii, Oh :p |
| 13:04.04 | Jemt | moshii, Hm, I have no idea where to make this change then |
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| 13:04.15 | moshii | Jemt: whats the app calleD? |
| 13:04.26 | Jemt | moshii, Compiz (?) |
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| 13:04.38 | moshii | Jemt: the app that is generating the blue box |
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| 13:04.53 | chops | inigo: I've seen flakiness in Debian kernels from time to time. It's generally because of new features/drivers in the kernel (e.g. some time ago it was ethernet bridging, more recently iscsi and some PE hardware support). It generally gets resolved in the next stable kernel as the feature gets stabilized upstream. |
| 13:04.59 | Jemt | moshii, That's the skydome, a plugin in Compiz |
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| 13:05.10 | yang | Crypticfortune: actually I see that the directory /proc is empty...when being mounted externally...I am not attempting to backup the sd card while being in an OS |
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| 13:05.48 | Crypticfortune | yang: ah, well, yes, that's correct. and you must be in _some_ OS if you can see the contents of the card ;) |
| 13:05.59 | inigo | chops, of course, i'm not saying that anything is perfect |
| 13:06.09 | Bushmills | yang, mounts in exports are not reexported in nfs kernel server, even if asked in cofnig.i think the nfs userspace server can do that |
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| 13:06.43 | inigo | chops, I only say that "foo iscsi driver stability", is not "general debian stability"" |
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| 13:06.48 | DexterF | hi |
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| 13:07.02 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 13:07.05 | Bushmills | yang, but you should be able to mount proc the mount location, rather than relying on contents being reexported |
| 13:07.07 | DexterF | just can't find the link for the lenny isos, can someone help me out? |
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| 13:07.13 | inigo | we are talking of well (or not) supported (by vendor and devs.) devices, kernel reverse engineering hugly drivers, assembler code, hex pages and pages, firmwares, blobs, etc... that is not related about the general stability |
| 13:07.17 | chops | inigo: Well, that subtle distinction was lost on all my users who suddenly lost their perforce server :-) |
| 13:07.18 | Crypticfortune | yang: anyway, as long as you in fact aren't booted into either of those cards, just copy everything (again, "rsync -a" is your friend) from one into the other, and then fix up the MBR, and I think you should be good. |
| 13:07.51 | Bushmills | yang, the debootstrap manual - i think - shows how to deal with that situation |
| 13:07.53 | inigo | chops, jeje :) fuck them (unless the boss fuck you) |
| 13:08.29 | chops | inigo: Probably not the smartest thing to go fooling with new hardware in the middle of the day on the production server, but honestly Debian's so stable in general that I didn't even consider the possibility that it would immediately oops. I have the same behavior towards regressions introduced by security updates. |
| 13:08.31 | Crypticfortune | ooo, bushmills is right. follow that if it exists ^^ |
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| 13:08.50 | moshii | Jemt: seems that uses SDL or something to draw stuff.. SDL probably wants to draw to a hardware surface |
| 13:08.51 | yang | Crypticfortune: thanks |
| 13:09.11 | abrotman | !moo |
| 13:09.12 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 13:09.45 | cr3rzemjest | i've installed debian yesterday, and i wanted to make fancontrol work (it worked before). so i installed lm-sensors, but pwmconfig says i have no pwm-capable sensor modules installed!! what to do? do i have to recompile the kernel? (i have never done this before) additionally 'sensors' give true values? isn't this weird? halp... |
| 13:10.39 | inigo | chops, at work I use to study very proudly hardware adquisitions... at home I have had to use kmuto backported installer in more than one machine... |
| 13:11.04 | inigo | anyway, I have see a blue screen on a vmware ESX (linux) this month xDDD |
| 13:11.45 | inigo | it was for a project that i don't participe, and the faces of the people in front of the "death screen" was funny |
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| 13:12.04 | chops | inigo: Ever run the BSOD screensaver from xscreensaver? |
| 13:12.13 | chops | inigo: That trips people up very satisfyingly |
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| 13:12.37 | Crypticfortune | inigo: that thing still scares me when i vnc in and that's the first thing i see =P |
| 13:13.02 | inigo | very spensive hardware (hp blades), very expensive soft. (vmware ESX), ... and... tataaaaaa "Oooooppss" on a SLES installation |
| 13:13.04 | inigo | xDDD |
| 13:13.29 | inigo | the Oppps screen was of a blue/purple color |
| 13:13.35 | moshii | inigo: expensive != good |
| 13:13.43 | inigo | yes |
| 13:13.44 | Bushmills | purchase price isn't everything |
| 13:13.48 | inigo | i agree |
| 13:14.11 | moshii | inigo: also if it's inside an emulated environment it's not really the real hardwares fault |
| 13:14.42 | inigo | but my boss thinks that it is better a XXXXXXXX ⬠sale, and few hours of work, that two simple servers and some hours of good work |
| 13:15.03 | Jemt | moshii, Okay. I'm not sure what SDL is. Is it possible to change that behaviour ? |
| 13:15.23 | Bushmills | mentioning "price" ... first time i had a look today at microsoft stocks over a long period, not just a few months. looks interesting: http://forthfreak.net/snap/1215691144542703289.png |
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| 13:16.22 | moshii | Jemt: I'm not sure,.. Does it happen only for that compiz plugin? Does video from vlc work with the xv driver for instance? |
| 13:16.55 | inigo | Bushmills, as they import unix features... the stocks seems to be more stable :-) |
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| 13:17.47 | Jemt | moshii, Let me just chech that |
| 13:17.49 | moshii | inigo: the virtualisation stuff has gone pretty out of hand anyhow.. people seem to think it means that some expensive software can make one middle-range machine into 10 middle-range machine, the reality is you have 10 shit machines |
| 13:18.13 | tdn | How do I delete all files that is in relative paths in a text file? Note that the file names may contain spaces that needs to be escaped. |
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| 13:18.31 | Bushmills | inigo: not sure whether the drop in 2000 was due to a split, or if they really went down. but it looks very much like crash, followed by stagnation. |
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| 13:19.07 | phreak | tdn: Read each line and rm "$line" |
| 13:19.32 | tdn | phreak, yeah. That is what I want to do. But how? |
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| 13:20.21 | phreak | tdn: Use read and perhaps a while-loop. |
| 13:20.29 | Bushmills | inigo: also suggests that microsoft stocks are not good investments, and only attractive to speculants |
| 13:20.35 | inigo | We have one more problem here, moshii, bat susadmins, bad implemented systems... instead of put a fix for that, now we use "virtualization"... fine... now we have virtual (and bad implemented) systems, and sysadmins that doesn't have high skills neither real systems nor virtualization |
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| 13:20.53 | Bushmills | and daytraders and such |
| 13:21.04 | ddalton | hey, just 1 question: whats the point of using shutdown if hibernate works? is it ok to always hibernate and never shutdown. |
| 13:21.07 | phreak | tdn: while read line ; do stuff-on-$line;done < yourfile, might work. |
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| 13:21.42 | Jemt | moshii, 'xv' in mplayer works fine |
| 13:21.49 | Jemt | moshii, Is that sufficient ? |
| 13:21.50 | Bushmills | ddalton: suspend to RAM still consumes power. shutdown existed before suspend to ram or disk worked |
| 13:21.52 | tdn | phreak, Ok. But then how do I solve the problem with file names with spaces? |
| 13:22.05 | tdn | phreak, it will dele the files "foo" and "bar" if a line in the file is called "foo bar". |
| 13:22.16 | ddalton | no i mean hibernate. suspend screws my laptop up. |
| 13:22.28 | ddalton | so is it ok to always hibernate and never shutdown? |
| 13:22.34 | Bushmills | ddalton: also, about every system can be shut down. but not all can be suspended |
| 13:22.34 | phreak | tdn: Just put " around it, as I said first. |
| 13:22.35 | moshii | Jemt: mm you might want to get in contact with the guy that wrote it, if you google it he has a blog |
| 13:22.36 | inigo | tdn, while read line do ; rm -f "$file" ; done < your_file |
| 13:22.41 | phreak | tdn: rm "$line" that is. |
| 13:22.45 | inigo | tdn, use quotes on $file |
| 13:23.00 | Bushmills | ddalton: everything what works for you is ok, i suppose |
| 13:23.07 | tdn | inigo, phreak ok. Thanks. |
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| 13:23.13 | moshii | Jemt: maybe it's something with the ati driver :/ dunno |
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| 13:24.01 | ddalton | but is there anything wrong with hibernate? does it use up more power? or is it bad in anyway over a long period of time? |
| 13:24.14 | liable | ddalton: no its fine |
| 13:24.21 | abrotman | http://www.imsc.res.in/~kapil/blog/lg/dns_quickfix-2008-07-10-17-07.html .. for those of you that don't read planet.d.n .. not sure how effective it would be |
| 13:24.41 | abrotman | and isn't really a fix for sarge given it requires a .22 kernel |
| 13:25.00 | ddalton | oh, good. ok thanks. |
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| 13:25.36 | joltcan | ddalton: hibernate saves the state of ram to disk, so you don't even have to have power to be able to resume. No downsides except the time it takes to write to disk |
| 13:25.40 | tdn | inigo, phreak: I've tried: 'while read line do ; echo "$line" ; done < deletes.txt', but that gives a parse error near "done". I guess it is not allowed to use '<' into a loop? |
| 13:26.05 | syntech | hi is there anyway to change teh default resolution from gnome control center ? |
| 13:26.15 | syntech | its annoying cause xorg has it set 1280x800 |
| 13:26.22 | syntech | but cant set because of control center |
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| 13:26.55 | Orfeous | this is an offtopic question not for debian... i wonder if its possible to use an original boxed intel p4 socket 775 heatsink for a socket 478 motherboard? |
| 13:27.05 | abrotman | Orfeous: ##hardware |
| 13:27.10 | Orfeous | thanks |
| 13:27.22 | Nyle | Good Morning #debian |
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| 13:27.51 | phreak | tdn: What you wrote is wrong, but might have been a miss-write to irc? while read line ; do ..., you wrote while read line do ; ... |
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| 13:28.01 | inigo | tdn, yes, move the ; |
| 13:28.14 | inigo | sorry, my fail |
| 13:28.37 | yang | Does Swap partition requires to be made with mkfs tool ? |
| 13:28.45 | inigo | mkswap |
| 13:28.49 | yang | ok |
| 13:29.03 | Bushmills | tdn: while read line ; do ... |
| 13:29.21 | syntech | is there a way to manuall set a specific resolution without gnome control center ? |
| 13:29.35 | syntech | getting in teh way |
| 13:29.37 | inigo | yang, and then: swapon /dev/partition |
| 13:29.42 | rootmos | is there a way do get a more verbose boot? |
| 13:30.15 | inigo | syntech, i don't know about gnome control center, but... have you a intel graphics card ? |
| 13:30.46 | phreak | rootmos: Try appending "debug". |
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| 13:30.53 | tdn | inigo, phreak, Bushmills: Of course. My bad. Thanks! |
| 13:31.10 | chops | syntech: xrandr |
| 13:31.19 | syntech | thanks. |
| 13:31.21 | syntech | inigo: yes i do |
| 13:31.25 | Einon | I have a problem related to YADA. It says some paragraph does not have source or package line in it, but in the file, i see them. Anyone some idea? http://pastebin.com/db984c30 |
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| 13:31.43 | inigo | syntech, if you have a intel vga, may be you want to look at the package 915resolution |
| 13:31.50 | syntech | yes |
| 13:31.56 | syntech | Omg hanks man i forgot to get that :| |
| 13:31.58 | syntech | thanks* |
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| 13:33.47 | dn4 | Does anyone know where I can get a real video stream ripper for the Karl Rove webcast today? |
| 13:33.55 | aronofsky | Hi, im doin a script shell and I got a var $var1 that contains a string with deifferents field separated by spaces, id like to get the first and the second fields in 2 differents var, it seems easy but i dont find owh to do it, i cant use awk i guess as soon as I got to use a previous script var |
| 13:34.00 | abrotman | dn4: VCR :) |
| 13:34.31 | Bushmills | aronofsky: awk does that nicely |
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| 13:34.32 | dn4 | abrotman: it is not going to be on TV |
| 13:34.39 | Jemt | moshii, Okay, could be it. Thanks for trying |
| 13:34.46 | torr | when wil be the next stable release? |
| 13:34.48 | abrotman | dn4: won't it end up on youtube? |
| 13:34.52 | abrotman | !tell torr about wwlr |
| 13:34.55 | aronofsky | Bushmills: something like that : $MAC=echo $ligne|awk '{print $1}' |
| 13:34.58 | Bushmills | aronofsky: echo a b c d e | awk '{print $1,$3 } |
| 13:35.07 | dn4 | abrotman: just incase it is not on there; I want backup data! |
| 13:35.13 | Bushmills | and we both used unnecessary echos .. |
| 13:35.18 | abrotman | dn4: i think mplayer or vlc has the option .. you'd hve to check though |
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| 13:35.33 | Bushmills | awk .... <<< a b c :) |
| 13:36.07 | inigo | aronofsky, the "words" are hardcoded on the script osr are a parameter ? |
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| 13:36.51 | aronofsky | inigo: params |
| 13:37.03 | inigo | fixed lenght ? |
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| 13:37.23 | inigo | i say... a mac address for example ? |
| 13:37.26 | aronofsky | inigo: not really params, its a file that is read before and the line is put in the var $ligne |
| 13:38.17 | torr | abrotman: it is now the second half of 2008. But there are 1500 bugs |
| 13:38.20 | aronofsky | Bushmills: can I do something like taht : $MAC=awk '{print $1}' < $ligne |
| 13:38.59 | yang | Crypticfortune: it worked :) |
| 13:39.23 | inigo | aronofsky, string="Hello world" echo ${string:5} |
| 13:39.29 | Bushmills | aronofsky: if ligne contains the name of a file . |
| 13:39.34 | inigo | or string="Hello world" echo ${string:0:4} |
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| 13:39.53 | Bushmills | otherwise, if it is literal string, it'd be <<< $ligne |
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| 13:40.37 | aronofsky | Bushmills: no ligne contain the string i want to parse |
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| 13:42.09 | aronofsky | Bushmills: So $MAC=awk '{print $1}'<<<$ligne would be right ? |
| 13:42.14 | torr | abrotman o, I see - september |
| 13:42.38 | Bushmills | aronofsky: looks ok |
| 13:42.42 | Bushmills | no |
| 13:42.46 | Bushmills | it doesn't |
| 13:43.08 | Bushmills | you want to enclose the whole command after = in $( ) |
| 13:43.23 | Bushmills | and make4it MAC= |
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| 13:44.38 | Bushmills | though if you only want the first string, that can be done easier |
| 13:45.25 | Bushmills | try this: MAC=${ligne/ *} |
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| 13:45.36 | aronofsky | Bushmills: it seems ok, actually i do it another time just after : IP=$(awk '{print $2}'<<<$ligne) but that one doesn't work ... does awk modify $ligne |
| 13:47.37 | Bushmills | (this assumes that you use bash as shell, doesn't work with dash) |
| 13:47.49 | Nyle | there is a dash? |
| 13:47.58 | Nyle | !dash |
| 13:47.59 | dpkg | somebody said dash was a POSIX compliant shell that is much smaller than bash. It is the shell on the debian installation floppy, and is useful for checking whether a shell is POSIX compliant. Also, Herbert Xu's forked version of ash. Also xush. |
| 13:48.17 | aronofsky | Bushmills: what should I use , |
| 13:48.19 | aronofsky | ? |
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| 13:48.26 | aronofsky | Or how should I do with bash ? |
| 13:48.30 | Bushmills | bash, of course |
| 13:49.02 | Bushmills | also gives you the much shorter and simpler version of what you want to do |
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| 13:50.58 | kombi_ | how do I get phpize? can't find it in the packages.. |
| 13:51.42 | aronofsky | kombi_: php5-dev |
| 13:52.04 | kombi_ | thanks! |
| 13:52.24 | Bushmills | aronofsky: that should also work, and is proably a tad quicker: MAC=${ligne%% *} |
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| 13:53.26 | aronofsky | Bushmills: the problem is I got to get the second field in another var too |
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| 13:56.29 | Bushmills | aronofsky: ligne="a b c" ; L=($ligne) ; echo ${L[1]} |
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| 13:57.02 | spx2 | there is a message in linux message when I login in a console "No mail." however,I have mail,how can I configure(perhaps .bashrc ?) to know that I have mail ? |
| 13:57.31 | graytron | spx2: no new mail |
| 14:00.09 | aronofsky | Bushmills: thx, great |
| 14:01.01 | Bushmills | aronofsky: or ligne="a b c" ; par() { echo $2 ;} ; par $ligne |
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| 14:02.52 | aronofsky | Bushmills: another silly question but is there a way in my to ping an IP and to get a return code or someting or something to know if the IP answers or not ? |
| 14:03.47 | Bushmills | ping does that already |
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| 14:04.30 | Bushmills | try HOST=yourhost ; ping -c1 -t1 $HOST || echo $? |
| 14:05.01 | Bushmills | you might want -q too |
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| 14:06.34 | Bushmills | ehm, not -t. . -W1000 |
| 14:08.10 | Bushmills | ping -q -c1 -W1000 $HOST ;echo $? # like this probably |
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| 14:08.34 | inigo | aronofsky, what is the purpose of your script ? |
| 14:09.45 | Orion_X11 | I am trying to open a .doc file, but no luck here. How do I convert this file.doc to other format for reading then? |
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| 14:10.01 | aronofsky | Bushmills: perfect , except that -W is actually ... so -W1 would be better I guess |
| 14:10.13 | aronofsky | Bushmills: actually in second |
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| 14:10.19 | Bushmills | Orion_X11: catdog |
| 14:10.25 | Bushmills | ehm .. catdoc |
| 14:10.52 | inigo | Orion_X11, what says: file your.doc ? |
| 14:10.56 | Orion_X11 | Bushmills: is that a command line? |
| 14:11.15 | Bushmills | catdoc - MS-Word to TeX or plain text converter |
| 14:11.43 | Orion_X11 | inigo: sara.doc: Microsoft Office Document Microsoft Word Document |
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| 14:11.55 | inigo | Orion_X11, and which program are you using to open? OpenOffice? |
| 14:12.20 | Bushmills | wv - Programs for accessing Microsoft Word documents |
| 14:12.21 | Orion_X11 | inigo: Yes. And abiword as well. |
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| 14:12.44 | inigo | Orion_X11, And what is the error you get? |
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| 14:14.21 | Bushmills | bah,. an ubuntu user |
| 14:14.22 | inigo | I don't know what "file" says about word2007 documents, but if this .doc is in word2007 format, you need aplugin for openoffice to open it |
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| 14:14.50 | Bushmills | orion, your tcp fingerprint shows the sequence of ubuntu |
| 14:14.57 | Orion_X11 | inigo: "error reading file" |
| 14:15.07 | abrotman | Orion_X11: which version of Debian are you running? |
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| 14:15.58 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: testing > lenny |
| 14:16.04 | abrotman | huh? |
| 14:16.08 | abrotman | Orion_X11: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 14:16.12 | abrotman | show us the line it prints |
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| 14:16.29 | Bushmills | how come you have an ubuntu kernel in lenny? |
| 14:16.39 | inigo | Bushmills, I connect to irc from a ubuntu lts... and I have lot of Debian machines :) |
| 14:17.06 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: ii libc6 2.7-10 |
| 14:17.44 | inigo | Time to lunch, good afternoon to all, sit up |
| 14:18.10 | liable | lucky, i was just beginning to slouch |
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| 14:19.51 | abrotman | Orion_X11: IIRC there is an online doc2pdf converter |
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| 14:20.39 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: where? |
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| 14:22.55 | Bushmills | maybe in universe ... |
| 14:22.59 | Bushmills | :) |
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| 14:25.34 | xushi | anyone knows the difference between cat5e and cat6? |
| 14:25.53 | jamesstanley | I think one of them supports gigabit ethernet and the other doesn't |
| 14:25.59 | jamesstanley | I could be wrong though |
| 14:26.11 | chops | jamesstanley: I believe that cat5e supposedly-support gigabit, but cat6 is recommended |
| 14:26.13 | xushi | that's the thing.. both say they support gigabit |
| 14:26.17 | hoxu | Is there any way to find out what program is receiving keypresses in another X? I have a "dead keyboard" X running at the moment (I can still switch to another X using mouse) |
| 14:26.17 | Orion_X11 | abrotman: consegui ler com catdoc > :-) |
| 14:26.41 | hoxu | Or *any* ideas on how to debug this are appreaciated, it could be an X library problem though... |
| 14:26.43 | abrotman | no habla freancaiaS@ |
| 14:26.46 | jamesstanley | hoxu, I had exactly the same problem in a program I wrote earlier |
| 14:26.48 | xushi | hmm, i think cat6 is certified to be gigabit |
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| 14:27.13 | hoxu | jamesstanley, I have seen this problem only in KDE, related to hotkey combinations, but I've heard xfce is also suffering from it |
| 14:27.14 | jamesstanley | Are you running any unstable or debugging-version programs hoxu? |
| 14:27.22 | Bushmills | cat5e afaik only half bandwidth. max frequ 125 mhz. cat6 up to 250 mhz |
| 14:27.26 | hoxu | jamesstanley, I use sid :) |
| 14:27.30 | jamesstanley | Ah |
| 14:27.33 | MacGyverNL | Hmm. When using sudo from a gnome terminal to start a graphical application, for instance synaptic, and I want it to run in the background (i.e. run detached from the terminal) how do I do that? |
| 14:27.51 | MacGyverNL | sudo synaptic & detaches sudo as well, which makes it impossible to enter password. |
| 14:27.52 | jamesstanley | MacGyverNL, use gksu |
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| 14:28.16 | Bushmills | but i might be wrong with the actual max frequencies |
| 14:28.18 | hoxu | so any nifty X apps I could use? Anything to list all windows or something like that? |
| 14:28.30 | justin | hoxu: xlsclients lists windows... |
| 14:28.44 | jamesstanley | hoxu, does it only happen when a certain program is running? |
| 14:28.52 | hoxu | hmm, I see a suspicious '<unknown>' entry |
| 14:29.14 | jamesstanley | xlsclients doesn't seem to list them all here |
| 14:29.16 | justin | hoxu: try the -l option |
| 14:29.17 | jamesstanley | Not by a long shot |
| 14:29.18 | hoxu | jamesstanley, nah, I think it's related to KDE's combination hotkeys (for example: "win+tab, q") |
| 14:29.28 | jamesstanley | OK |
| 14:29.48 | jamesstanley | When I had it the keyboard worked, but only for pressing alt and dragging a window |
| 14:30.00 | jamesstanley | But the problem wasn't related to kwin |
| 14:30.15 | jamesstanley | It was because my program hung without relinquishing control of the keyboard |
| 14:30.22 | hoxu | I don't see anything suspicious... that '<unknown>' is probably java/azureus |
| 14:30.40 | MacGyverNL | jamesstanley: Ah, okay, thanks :) |
| 14:30.45 | jamesstanley | No problem |
| 14:30.55 | hoxu | jamesstanley, I know for sure that this state can be returned to a working X... just not how :) |
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| 14:31.02 | jamesstanley | Yeah |
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| 14:31.13 | jamesstanley | Sometimes killing my program worked, sometimes I had to restart X |
| 14:31.18 | hoxu | would be nice to hunt this down finally, it has pestered me for really long time |
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| 14:31.55 | jamesstanley | hoxu, when does it happen? |
| 14:32.00 | jamesstanley | Just randomly? |
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| 14:32.27 | peleg | Hello mates. I am currently using an old windows machine, since my laptop, which is running debian, wouldn't allow me to surf the internet. the problem is with the domain name resolving - I can ping ip numbers, but can't ping domain names. |
| 14:32.41 | jamesstanley | peleg, cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 14:32.47 | hoxu | jamesstanley, nah, I'm pretty sure it happens when the KDE's popup for "next available hotkeys" is active... when you have multiple combination bindings, it shows what keys can be pressed next |
| 14:32.48 | peleg | I spoke with the ISP for about 4 hours, but nothing good happened. |
| 14:32.50 | jamesstanley | If it's empty, you need to add some DNS server IP addresses to it |
| 14:33.10 | jamesstanley | Dunno hoxu, maybe report it as a KDE bug? |
| 14:33.14 | abrotman | peleg: do you have anything in /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 14:33.16 | hoxu | jamesstanley, in my case I have "win+tab and 0-9 & some keys" |
| 14:33.20 | peleg | jamesstanley: It's not empty. it is filled with my ISP's DNS server ips. (two of them) |
| 14:33.29 | peleg | abrotman: ^^ |
| 14:33.29 | jamesstanley | Can you ping those IP's peleg? |
| 14:33.40 | abrotman | you assume he can ping at all |
| 14:33.44 | jamesstanley | He can |
| 14:33.46 | peleg | jamesstanley: I didn't try, actually... |
| 14:33.47 | justin | peleg: when did this problem start? |
| 14:33.47 | hoxu | jamesstanley, I'm not convinced it's KDE-specific, a certain xfce user has said he has the same problem |
| 14:33.54 | jamesstanley | OK |
| 14:34.00 | peleg | I CAN ping some other addresses, that's sure (I said that) |
| 14:34.00 | jamesstanley | I don't know what to do about it, sorry |
| 14:34.18 | jamesstanley | peleg, try pinging the DNS servers from within Debian |
| 14:34.31 | peleg | justin: The problem started when I tried to connect using a different ISP (in a different country, actually) |
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| 14:34.51 | jamesstanley | peleg, is your computer directly connected or does it go through a router? |
| 14:34.58 | peleg | jamesstanley: I'll try. I have only one cable and no router, so I'll have to disconnect. |
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| 14:35.05 | abrotman | peleg: moment |
| 14:35.08 | jamesstanley | peleg, wait |
| 14:35.08 | peleg | Anything else to try before I go? |
| 14:35.13 | peleg | abrotman: waiting |
| 14:35.17 | jamesstanley | If your IP address is not one that is assigned by your ISP |
| 14:35.23 | jamesstanley | it might be banned by your ISP's router |
| 14:35.37 | jamesstanley | Do you get it by dhcp? Have you tried re-running dhclien? |
| 14:35.49 | hoxu | Is there any way to find out what application/window/whatever in (another) X is receiving keypresses? |
| 14:35.53 | peleg | jamesstanley: it is, I believe. and: the windows is working fine with the same ip.. |
| 14:35.54 | abrotman | peleg: from your debian box .. `nslookup www.google.com 208.67.222.222` |
| 14:36.22 | NoxIn | peleg: the IP adress you have for DNS servers are the same on the windowxs machine ? |
| 14:36.38 | peleg | jamesstanley: the modem is terraion, and it actually serves as a router, I think. so I get DHCP from it - it gives me a good IP, one that the ISP gives me. |
| 14:36.38 | justin | hoxu: did you check top? is any process pegging the cpu? |
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| 14:36.48 | peleg | NoxIn: yes |
| 14:37.09 | peleg | abrotman: ok, I'll do it when I will switch the cable. |
| 14:37.10 | jamesstanley | hoxu, you can type ctrl-alt-f1 to go to a text terminal to run top from |
| 14:37.11 | hoxu | justin, nope, there aren't many clues apart from all keyboard input being lost (you can change focus with mouse etc) |
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| 14:37.26 | hoxu | jamesstanley, not even ctrl-alt-FN works in that state :) |
| 14:37.31 | jamesstanley | Strange |
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| 14:37.50 | hoxu | hmm wait... now it seemed to work |
| 14:37.56 | jamesstanley | Yeah, I'd think it should |
| 14:37.59 | peleg | thank you all, then. I am switching the cable and will come back in a few moments. |
| 14:38.01 | jamesstanley | that isn't handled by x |
| 14:38.26 | justin | jamesstanley: it sort of is |
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| 14:38.39 | jamesstanley | I thought it was handled by the kernel |
| 14:38.47 | jamesstanley | Or init, actually |
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| 14:39.05 | justin | jamesstanley: definitely not init |
| 14:39.18 | hoxu | hmm, I have a vague feeling that ctrl-alting out has not always worked... but what does it tell about the bug if ctrl-alt still works? Not an X bug, just a rogue application disposing of all input? |
| 14:39.43 | justin | jamesstanley: X is sort of related since you can enable the DontVTSwitch option and C-A-F1 won't work anymore |
| 14:39.52 | jamesstanley | Ah, OK |
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| 14:40.16 | justin | so I think if X can intercept it and stop it, then it isn't 100% the kernel that does it |
| 14:40.20 | hoxu | justin, interesting, that ought to be useful for public demos and stuff :) |
| 14:40.21 | justin | most likely you could still run chvt though |
| 14:40.29 | jamesstanley | Unless X sets a kernel flag to stop it |
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| 14:41.24 | hoxu | well, in X ctrl-alt is used to move between ttys, and in console it's just alt |
| 14:41.54 | jamesstanley | ctrl-alt works in text mode as well |
| 14:42.15 | jamesstanley | it's just that alt on it's own doesn't in x (afaict) so that you can use alt-f[n] in window managers, etc. |
| 14:42.54 | hoxu | ctrl-alt might work in console because it doesn't care about ctrl, dunno :) |
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| 14:43.33 | hoxu | hmm, is there any X application that can be used to forcibly capture input? |
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| 14:46.01 | abrotman | xev ? |
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| 14:46.15 | abrotman | peleg1: how'd you make out ? |
| 14:46.51 | hoxu | abrotman, by default it doesn't, I don't think there's any options either? |
| 14:47.02 | peleg1 | abrotman, jamesstanley: these are the results: |
| 14:47.35 | peleg1 | nslookup www.google.com 208.67.222.222 -> connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 14:47.49 | abrotman | that's not good |
| 14:47.59 | peleg1 | ping 192.117.235.235 (first DNS) -> packet filtered (every line) |
| 14:48.19 | peleg1 | ping 62.219.186.7 (second DNS) -> about 12ms |
| 14:48.29 | jamesstanley | Packet filtered probably means that server doesn't want you using it |
| 14:48.30 | peleg1 | ping www.google.com -> unknown host |
| 14:48.36 | jamesstanley | Try reversing the order of the DNS address in resolv.conf |
| 14:48.48 | peleg1 | ping 208.67.222.222 -> about 90ms |
| 14:48.55 | peleg1 | jamesstanley: I'll try that. thanks! |
| 14:49.00 | jamesstanley | It probably won't work |
| 14:49.05 | jamesstanley | But it's worth a try |
| 14:49.05 | peleg1 | ;-) |
| 14:49.12 | jamesstanley | Wait and see if abrotman has anything to say |
| 14:49.19 | peleg1 | jamesstanley: but why wouldn't he want it? |
| 14:49.31 | jamesstanley | If it thinks you're from a different ISP, perhaps |
| 14:49.32 | jamesstanley | I don't know |
| 14:49.52 | peleg1 | pinging it from windows gives me request timed out |
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| 14:50.14 | peleg1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:50.42 | peleg1 | abrotman: any opinions? |
| 14:50.45 | jamesstanley | I'm trying to find out what Packet Filtered means |
| 14:50.58 | peleg1 | thanks |
| 14:51.11 | hoxu | jamesstanley, hmm, I managed to save the X by killing kicker & kwin, and starting them from another X... :) |
| 14:51.18 | jamesstanley | Ha |
| 14:51.22 | hoxu | I wonder if it's a kwin bug |
| 14:51.27 | jamesstanley | Why didn't you just restart X? ;) |
| 14:51.40 | hoxu | I'd lose all the applications that are open on 20 workspaces? :) |
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| 14:52.01 | jamesstanley | peleg1, Lots of people are asking what it means on forums and stuff, nobody seems to have replied |
| 14:52.15 | hoxu | well, I could've actually this time, I pressed sysrq+b in error yesterday so there aren't many left ;) |
| 14:53.15 | jamesstanley | peleg1, it might just be that the server is trying to prevent icmp flooding |
| 14:53.30 | jamesstanley | But if they're both your ISP's servers, I'd think they'd do the same to both |
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| 14:54.13 | peleg1 | jamesstanley: well, I don't know... I will replace the order and come back to here. thanks. |
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| 14:54.22 | jamesstanley | OK |
| 14:56.09 | rwaite | hi, i'm trying to install mysql-server on etch and i get the following output from 'aptitude install mysql-server': http://pastebin.com/m1b05b121 |
| 14:56.48 | jamesstanley | Have you recently modified sources.list? |
| 14:56.59 | jamesstanley | I often find that I get those errors when I try to add incompatible repo's |
| 14:57.19 | rwaite | i have backports.org in there, but afaik you have to select it explicitly |
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| 14:57.25 | rwaite | and its been in there |
| 14:57.31 | BW^- | now what's the name of the host where the new debian packages are ? |
| 14:58.22 | rwaite | ftp.us.debian.org? |
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| 14:58.39 | rwaite | anyway... i am confused here |
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| 14:58.42 | Burps | Hi |
| 14:58.54 | jamesstanley | Any luck? |
| 14:59.11 | peleg | no luck |
| 14:59.14 | Burps | I thought that as root user, I could access any directory. I have this NFS share, that root mounts, which belongs to the correct user (a labmda user), but root can't get in, permission denied |
| 14:59.19 | jamesstanley | I don't know what else to suggest then, sorry |
| 14:59.25 | rwaite | hmm i found an entry in the readme but it doesnt explain much |
| 14:59.31 | peleg | jamesstanley: ;-) thanks anyway |
| 14:59.34 | rwaite | what is expire_log_days and log_bin? |
| 14:59.36 | Burps | what's wrong with my rights ? |
| 14:59.46 | peleg | abrotman: do you have any clue? |
| 15:00.11 | jamesstanley | peleg, what version of Debian do you run? |
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| 15:00.38 | peleg | I think it's etch |
| 15:00.43 | jamesstanley | OK |
| 15:00.51 | abrotman | peleg: can you ping their dns servers? (i may have missed that) |
| 15:00.56 | jamesstanley | It'll say in /etc/debian_version |
| 15:01.07 | jamesstanley | No it won't, it just gives a number |
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| 15:01.40 | jamesstanley | abrotman, the first one 'Packet filtered', the second one 12ms |
| 15:01.41 | peleg | abrotman: packet filtered on the first DNS, 12ms on the second one |
| 15:01.46 | rwaite | cool i fixed it |
| 15:01.50 | peleg | ;-) |
| 15:02.23 | abrotman | peleg: have you tried resetting your modem? wonder if it's looking at the MAC |
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| 15:02.50 | peleg | abrotman: what exactly do you mean by "resetting"? I have restarted it a few times |
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| 15:03.32 | abrotman | the modem .. not the machine |
| 15:04.19 | peleg | yes, the modem. I have unplugged all of its cables, by that turning it off - and then connected everything back, after a minute or so. I have done that a few times |
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| 15:05.06 | peleg | but again - the windows machine is working great with it, getting the same DNS and IP and surfing easily |
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| 15:08.17 | abrotman | peleg: can you paste your interfaces file? |
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| 15:08.56 | peleg | I have to copy it manually, but I'll do that |
| 15:08.59 | rwaite | what's the mysql dev package called |
| 15:09.10 | varlon | how can I set a IP address and else, if I'm using network-manager, but not used DHCP? |
| 15:09.21 | S4nD3r | does anybody knows about a bug in compiz?? My one have freeze, I uninstall it, then, stopped to freeze. |
| 15:09.29 | abrotman | rwaite: apt-cache -- search mysql -dev |
| 15:09.35 | rwaite | already done but thanx |
| 15:09.37 | rwaite | :) |
| 15:09.39 | rwaite | i found them |
| 15:09.45 | abrotman | impatient .. jeez! |
| 15:09.50 | rwaite | lol |
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| 15:10.44 | Dunedan | Does anybody know if it is possible to use devices which use efi and gpt (e.g. intel-macs) with refit without using grub or lilo to boot linux? |
| 15:12.16 | peleg | abrotman: http://paste.freeallweb.org/75 |
| 15:12.31 | peleg | I have omitted all of the comments |
| 15:12.35 | abrotman | yeah .. that's pretty basic :) |
| 15:13.01 | abrotman | can you `host localhost` ? |
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| 15:13.31 | peleg | abrotman: were you asking me? |
| 15:14.10 | liable | why does alioth give me untrusted certs? why isn't debian shipping certs for its own services? |
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| 15:14.39 | abrotman | peleg: yes |
| 15:14.51 | abrotman | liable: ask the alioth people ? |
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| 15:15.16 | peleg | abrotman: should I plug the cable first? without the cable I get "connection timed out; no servers could be reached" |
| 15:16.05 | henry_nicolas | Hi, I'm about to buy a Dell PowerEdge 2900 and I have a simple question : If I run a hdd at 15000rpm, is its lifetime shorter than a hdd at 10000 or 7200 ? |
| 15:16.07 | jamesstanley | peleg, it should say that your address is 127.0.0.1 without any internet connection |
| 15:16.26 | peleg | jamesstanley: I see. well - something is wrong, then.. |
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| 15:16.51 | jamesstanley | peleg, does /etc/hosts have an entry for localhost? |
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| 15:17.05 | pumpkin0 | henry_nicolas: depends on your ears. You will kill it after 2 days sitting on/under your desk. |
| 15:17.12 | FoxM | Hi... if I want to 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude safe-upgrade' automatically on a daily basis, is there a program to do that or better do it the unix way (via cron)? |
| 15:17.37 | jamesstanley | FoxM, cron job, and weekly or monthly should be more than enough |
| 15:17.48 | peleg | jamesstanley: no. I have 127.0.1.1 dell |
| 15:17.59 | jamesstanley | Add the word localhost after dell |
| 15:18.05 | jamesstanley | no don't |
| 15:18.05 | jamesstanley | ! |
| 15:18.10 | jamesstanley | pele |
| 15:18.13 | jamesstanley | *peleg |
| 15:18.23 | jamesstanley | add '127.0.0.1 localhost' |
| 15:18.26 | jamesstanley | at the top of the file |
| 15:18.32 | peleg | jamesstanley: :-) I'm listening |
| 15:18.35 | jamesstanley | ok |
| 15:18.44 | FoxM | jamesstanley: Thanks! I will do it then... another question: this is not a server, so should I use anacron instead? |
| 15:18.48 | peleg | add "127.0.0.1 localhost" at the top of the file? |
| 15:19.00 | jamesstanley | Don't know FoxM, I use whatever Debian comes with |
| 15:19.08 | jamesstanley | yes peleg |
| 15:19.12 | peleg | ok |
| 15:19.21 | jamesstanley | That still probably won't make your internet work |
| 15:19.26 | jamesstanley | but at least host localhost will work |
| 15:19.55 | peleg | jamesstanley: oh! I missed that before, but now I see I have it... well, sort of: |
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| 15:20.17 | Bushmills | peleg: dell inspiron 6xxx ? |
| 15:20.24 | peleg | I have 127.0.0.1 localhost local.amw local.spanish ... and so on, for all of my apache sites. |
| 15:20.33 | peleg | it is the first line. |
| 15:20.36 | jamesstanley | That should be enough to resolve localhost |
| 15:20.48 | peleg | Bushmills: yes |
| 15:20.57 | jamesstanley | peleg, type 'nslookup localhost' |
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| 15:21.04 | peleg | jamesstanley: ok |
| 15:21.07 | jamesstanley | It should give a non-authoritative answer with the correct IP |
| 15:21.12 | jamesstanley | no need to be connected to internet |
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| 15:21.48 | justin | nslookup does not check /etc/hosts |
| 15:21.49 | peleg | jamesstanley: time out. no servers could be reached. |
| 15:21.51 | Bushmills | peleg: still feisty fawn on it? |
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| 15:22.08 | justin | you need to use 'getent hosts ...' |
| 15:22.20 | jamesstanley | justin, on my machine nslookup localhost works |
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| 15:22.51 | justin | jamesstanley: that's great, it's still not checking /etc/hosts though |
| 15:23.00 | jamesstanley | OK |
| 15:23.05 | chops | FoxM: It's a bad idea to do upgrades from a cron job |
| 15:23.12 | peleg | Bushmills: no, it's debian. I think it's etch |
| 15:23.13 | chops | FoxM: They often require manual intervention |
| 15:23.18 | FoxM | jamesstanley: I found about cron-apt looks like an interesting tool just for that job |
| 15:23.30 | jamesstanley | Cool |
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| 15:23.51 | jamesstanley | When i said I use whatever Debian comes with, I meant the cron daemon. I don't schedule updates at all |
| 15:23.53 | chops | FoxM: cron-apt doesn't actually do the upgrade, just the update and the download |
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| 15:26.26 | Bushmills | peleg: must have been a recent installation then. did it work before? |
| 15:26.28 | peleg | Bushmills: do you have any idea why "host localhost" won't work, then? |
| 15:26.32 | FoxM | chops: that's even better for me! I have 3 computers at home for each member of the family, so if they updates are ready to be installed when I sit in front of each, that's great |
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| 15:26.41 | FoxM | Thanks averyone for your help |
| 15:26.44 | justin | peleg: 11:22 < justin> you need to use 'getent hosts ...' |
| 15:26.45 | FoxM | ^_^ |
| 15:26.57 | peleg | Bushmills: well, I don't know if "host localhost" worked before or not, never tried it. |
| 15:27.07 | peleg | justin: oh, missed that. I'll try. |
| 15:27.20 | jamesstanley | FoxM, you can make it so that only one machine downloads the packages, and that machine serves them to your other machines |
| 15:27.23 | jamesstanley | I don't know how though |
| 15:27.58 | peleg | justin: that brings me the list of hosts, indeed. |
| 15:28.15 | peleg | I am switching the cable to try something. 2 minutes and I'm back |
| 15:30.37 | FoxM | jamesstanley: I know it can be done, but I haven't setup a network yet because all of them are notebooks... hahaha... maybe if I just copy the packages from my notebook to the other ones... hahah... I don't know... and I don't really think I will do it soon, so... for now... it is ok to pay the price of downloading the packages a couple of times |
| 15:30.58 | jamesstanley | I do the same on mine |
| 15:31.06 | jamesstanley | But it's nice to know I don't have to |
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| 15:31.42 | chops | FoxM: The way I used to do that was to set up a squid server slightly reconfigured to cache large packages, and set http_proxy on all machines |
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| 15:32.06 | chops | FoxM: There's a more sophisticated way to do it, I know, but that's what I did |
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| 15:33.51 | Bushmills | peleg, is that the host program from package bind9-host? or from package host? |
| 15:34.17 | FoxM | chops: Sounds interesting... I will take a peek on this subject this weekend. Thanks for the tip! |
| 15:34.35 | dury | hi there channel :) How do I install firefox-3.0.tar.bz2. on debian |
| 15:34.54 | wols_ | dury: you don't |
| 15:35.47 | dury | why not? is it wrong? |
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| 15:37.10 | Cusoon959 | Hey.. :). When running rTorrent, I sometimes get this error: sda10: write failed, group block limit reached. |
| 15:37.26 | peleg1 | jamesstanley: my debian version is 4.0 |
| 15:37.33 | Cusoon959 | I realized /home was mounted with the usrquota option. This is for our users, but I need to know how to get around it... |
| 15:37.36 | Bushmills | peleg, is that the host program from package bind9-host? or from package host? |
| 15:37.39 | peleg1 | abrotman: any more suggestions? |
| 15:37.56 | peleg1 | Bushmills: how can I check that? |
| 15:38.02 | dury | wols_: is there zzother way to install it? |
| 15:38.13 | Bushmills | peleg dpkg -l bind9-host host |
| 15:38.28 | peleg1 | Bushmills: thanks, I'm checking |
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| 15:39.07 | avu | dury, firefox 3 is already in debian lenny (it's called iceweasel) |
| 15:39.26 | rwaite | shouldn't that be considered a bug? installing mysql-server on etch cause it to immediately not boot up correctly |
| 15:39.36 | peleg1 | do you know if there's a way to connect the irc using numbers instead of domain name (freenode.net), so I won't have to switch the cable back and forth? |
| 15:39.36 | rwaite | maybe there's already a bug report for it |
| 15:39.54 | jamesstanley | dury, the same way you install any other source tarball |
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| 15:40.32 | wols_ | rwaite: what is the exact error? |
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| 15:40.46 | peleg1 | maybe I should try 140.211.166.4 ? or 207.98.64.177 ? |
| 15:41.10 | abrotman | peleg: you could try to trace the program .. maybe it has something useful |
| 15:41.14 | abrotman | avu: sid? not lenny? |
| 15:41.14 | jamesstanley | dury, if you don't know how to install a simple program from source, firefox will be difficult for you |
| 15:41.23 | wols_ | dury: ff 3 needs gtk2.10 which is not in etch and all other versions of debian already have ff3 in form of ceweasel. If you still want to install it you are on your own. ask mozilla then |
| 15:41.34 | gentlyninja | i wanna install dvd authoring software like dvdstyler but aptitude reports an error. unsolved dependencies to libquicktime0 and mjpegtools |
| 15:41.36 | abrotman | oh .. it did make it .. yay or something |
| 15:41.50 | avu | abrotman, nope, it has migrated to lenny by now |
| 15:41.52 | rwaite | wols_: the init script complains about one option being specified in my.cnf w/o another one, its documented in the README.Debian.gz file, and is easily fixable |
| 15:41.55 | abrotman | i see that now |
| 15:42.11 | gentlyninja | my sources.list has testing sources and debian-multimedia.org sources |
| 15:42.23 | rwaite | i dont have to exact error with me now, something about log_bin. its in the readme |
| 15:42.35 | wols_ | rwaite: if you have fixed it it's all good |
| 15:42.38 | rwaite | to fix it you have to uncomment that log_bin line |
| 15:42.57 | rwaite | well, just on 'etch' you'd think at least the install would go by without erroring |
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| 15:43.25 | wols_ | rwaite: it does. you probably had an old my.cnf |
| 15:43.49 | wols_ | rwaite: if you want to test. PURGE all mysql pacakges and then install them |
| 15:43.51 | wols_ | no error |
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| 15:44.00 | rwaite | ohhh that makes sense |
| 15:44.25 | rwaite | thanks i didnt think of that angle, i believe i did have mysql-common installed already from a while ago |
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| 15:46.16 | epifanio | hi , tring to install a debian lenny netinstall on a fujitsu server i had these : some of your hardware needs non-free firmware files to operate. the firmware can be loaded from removable media , such as a usb stick or floppy . |
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| 15:46.37 | rwaite | there's a lenny netinst? who knew |
| 15:46.46 | defrysk | i knew |
| 15:47.02 | rwaite | lol last i heard it was alpha or beta or something |
| 15:47.16 | liable | beta2 |
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| 15:47.58 | defrysk | the xscreen install it butt ugly |
| 15:48.02 | defrysk | is* |
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| 15:48.05 | rwaite | hmm. i'd still rather dist-upgrade from etch |
| 15:49.00 | abrotman | defrysk: that's available in etch |
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| 15:49.26 | defrysk | abrotman, the beta netinstall has some gtk2 installer |
| 15:49.38 | Spec | heya....is there a way to force my DNS server to re-fetch what it thinks the domain is from the server above it? |
| 15:49.53 | extor | http://pastebin.ca/1068172 <--- Any suggestions as to what commands to add to this rotating 5 minute cronjob? I want to figure out what is going on when my loads shoot to 100+ on an apache box |
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| 15:50.08 | abrotman | defrysk: and? etch has a gtk installer also |
| 15:50.24 | defrysk | abrotman, on the net install cd ? |
| 15:50.38 | rwaite | extor: core dump of the apache process? |
| 15:50.48 | docmax | hello, in windows, when i connect a network cable, i can a small icon whether it gets an ip adress or not... for example when aquiering an adress... is there a similar tool for linux? |
| 15:50.51 | extor | how do I core dump? |
| 15:50.59 | abrotman | fairly certain .. i wouldn't use it regardless .. but it was available for etch, and i believe on the netinst |
| 15:51.00 | rwaite | no idea |
| 15:51.03 | docmax | cause i dont know what linux is doing in background |
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| 15:51.13 | defrysk | abrotman, didnt know that |
| 15:51.13 | extor | rwaite, what is a core dump exactly? |
| 15:51.16 | rwaite | docmax: ifconfig |
| 15:51.32 | rwaite | extor: a dump of the memory of a running process for debugging purposes |
| 15:51.41 | rwaite | but nvm |
| 15:51.45 | rwaite | it wont help you |
| 15:51.53 | extor | :( |
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| 15:52.14 | berzerka | claws-mail was just updated to a more recent version. now the rssyl plugin fails to load because the claws version is newer than the plugin's. debian does not support downgrading. how can i get a working claws+rssyl again? (i don't plan to build the packages myself). |
| 15:52.32 | rwaite | i dont know. run top and monitor it, i know theres some dtrace clone for linux. |
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| 15:52.50 | rwaite | also, if you strace the apache process you may be able to see what syscalls it uses during the spike |
| 15:53.07 | berzerka | this is testing, i should add. a similar problem seems to exist with audacious+plugins atm.. :/ |
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| 15:53.39 | peleg | Hi. Finally I am using xchat from my debian, connecting freenode via its ip, so I don't need to switch cables any more. abrotman: do you have any new ideas? |
| 15:54.01 | rwaite | switch cables? wtf |
| 15:54.09 | usar | hi. can I provide a static dns-server for a otherwise dhcp controlled entry in my interfaces(5)? |
| 15:54.15 | Bushmills | peleg, try dpkg -l bind9-host |
| 15:54.20 | abrotman | peleg: well .. that was a novel idea :) |
| 15:54.36 | abrotman | Bushmills: would that really cause his DNS lookups to fail though ? |
| 15:54.43 | peleg | Bushmills: tried: pn bind9-host, <none>, (no desc...) |
| 15:54.46 | peleg | and: |
| 15:54.46 | usar | (or, if it can't be done in the interaces, what else do I have to do to use a DNS server I configured instead of the one I get by dhcp?) |
| 15:55.05 | rwaite | usar: /etc/resolv.conf |
| 15:55.05 | peleg | un host <none> (no desc...) ... |
| 15:55.33 | usar | rwaite: that file gets overwritten when I do 'ifup dhcp-controlled-device'? |
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| 15:56.07 | peleg | oh |
| 15:56.09 | peleg | oops |
| 15:56.46 | peleg | ii host 20000331-9 utility for ... |
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| 15:57.26 | peleg | I just reinstalled host... ;-) |
| 15:58.02 | abrotman | peleg: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what's the line say ? |
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| 15:58.33 | rwaite | usar: i dont know then |
| 15:58.47 | rwaite | i use dhcp and it never overwrites mine |
| 15:58.48 | usar | ok, so maybe I should phrase this differently, how can I keep 'ifup dhcp-controlled-device' writing the DNS servers I get via DHCP into my resolv.conf? |
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| 16:00.49 | abrotman | peleg: ? |
| 16:01.38 | diesel | How do I bring up the same configuration "wizard" that occcurred when installing a package? |
| 16:01.44 | abrotman | wizard for what? |
| 16:01.49 | chops | diesel: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:01.58 | chops | diesel: (followed by the name of the package) |
| 16:02.15 | diesel | chops: yeah, I tried that and it just came back with the prompt |
| 16:02.24 | chops | diesel: What package? |
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| 16:02.50 | diesel | chops: roundcube |
| 16:02.57 | peleg | abrotman: just a moment... |
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| 16:03.18 | Veros | how could I remove unused packages beginning with lib* |
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| 16:03.40 | chops | diesel: Maybe try dpkg-reconfigure roundcube-core (and the DB package) |
| 16:03.49 | chops | Veros: deborphan, or start using aptitude |
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| 16:04.07 | peleg | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:04.09 | Veros | chops: is deborphan accurate? |
| 16:04.11 | abrotman | peleg: it's a simple command .. you can even do it in your IRC client .. |
| 16:04.19 | chops | Veros: I don't know; I've never used it. |
| 16:04.21 | bnv | hi |
| 16:04.23 | bnv | hi |
| 16:04.25 | bnv | Are you speak Hungarian? |
| 16:04.28 | chops | !hu |
| 16:04.29 | dpkg | [hu] Ha magyarul beszelsz kerlek probald a #debian.hu -t. |
| 16:04.54 | abrotman | peleg: is there a firewall on your laptop ? |
| 16:04.57 | bnv | I can't install ati driver... help |
| 16:05.39 | chops | bnv: What happens when you try? |
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| 16:06.53 | abrotman | did the 'hostname localhost' work ? |
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| 16:08.05 | bnv | I try with ati.com guide... I can't underhtand this 'how-to' |
| 16:08.06 | bnv | *understand |
| 16:08.10 | bnv | :) |
| 16:08.18 | fbc | Is there a way to maintain a computer updated with no internet access? |
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| 16:08.24 | chops | bnv: You'll have to get help from ati.com then |
| 16:08.44 | liable | fbc: not easily. |
| 16:08.50 | bnv | what? |
| 16:08.54 | fbc | liable, but there is a way. |
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| 16:09.03 | liable | fbc: unless you run a proxy on the lan for it |
| 16:09.24 | peleg | abrotman: how can I check that? |
| 16:09.32 | berzerka | is it possible to downgrade a single packet? i.e. manually install any version of it? |
| 16:09.36 | fbc | liable, I have a laptop that I bring to work with me were i have internet access. |
| 16:09.44 | peleg | (the firewall thing) |
| 16:09.45 | abrotman | peleg: it's your laptop .. you would have configured it |
| 16:09.54 | Bushmills | all your bases are belong to us |
| 16:10.10 | peleg | abrotman: well, I didn't actively install any firewall |
| 16:10.14 | liable | fbc: install apt-proxy or approx on it, and set the home box to use it as a apt source |
| 16:10.21 | fbc | liable, If there is some script that I could run that would download the updates reading the package list that I copied from the computer with no access. |
| 16:10.27 | abrotman | peleg: in your IRC client .. /exec -o dpkg -l bind9-host | tail -1 |
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| 16:10.41 | fbc | liable, cool |
| 16:11.04 | peleg | abrotman: hmm? I lost you |
| 16:11.14 | fbc | liable, but the laptop is an amd64 install so it won't be downloading the 1386 packages for the one at home? |
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| 16:11.35 | usar | does really nobody willing to help know how I can keep my resolv.conf from being overwritten when an interface configured using the dhcp method in interfaces(5) comes up and gets nameservers from the DHCP server? |
| 16:11.36 | liable | fbc: no |
| 16:11.43 | abrotman | peleg: in your IRC cilent .. right here where you're typing "/exec -o dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" |
| 16:11.54 | abrotman | erm |
| 16:11.55 | liable | fbc: no idea how to get around that |
| 16:11.59 | usar | only thing I can think of is using chattr +I on my resolv.conf but that's so hacky :( |
| 16:12.00 | abrotman | peleg: in your IRC cilent .. right here where you're typing "/exec -o dpkg -l bind9-host | tail -1" |
| 16:12.01 | abrotman | duh |
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| 16:12.19 | abrotman | usar: there's an option in the dhclient to prevent that |
| 16:12.46 | usar | abrotman: ok, how can I pass options to dhclient from interfaces(5)? I can't see that in the manpage |
| 16:12.57 | abrotman | usar: you don't .. you just put it in the dhclient.conf file |
| 16:13.17 | abrotman | i can't find it right now .. but i know it's there |
| 16:13.37 | abrotman | usar: it tells your dhcp client to not request dns serveres |
| 16:13.53 | usar | abrotman: ok, thanks! |
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| 16:16.55 | liable | fbc: i suggest looking for a mailing list that may be appropriate and asking there |
| 16:17.35 | Bushmills | usar: you could - if oyu have a fixed dns ip address which you want to have at top of resolv,conf, also add the server line to /etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf |
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| 16:18.27 | usar | Bushmills: nah, I want there to be no chance the nameservers of my providers are used. and changing dhclient.conf worked perfectly. |
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| 16:18.32 | usar | Bushmills: thanks though |
| 16:18.47 | peleg1 | weird, my debian probably went crazy. |
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| 16:18.57 | Bushmills | oh. i ieven gave you the wrong file ... |
| 16:19.14 | fbc | liable, I found the apt-proxy page.. and it says it bilds a partial mirror based on requests to it. So it doesn't really matter which distribution.. |
| 16:19.14 | peleg1 | I am trying to use the irc from it and I get "you are banned" in #debian |
| 16:19.17 | Bushmills | meant /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head |
| 16:19.34 | liable | fbc: yes it does matter for arch |
| 16:19.55 | dury | but my iceaweasel 2.0.0.12 |
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| 16:20.31 | peleg1 | abrotman: could you repeat the last thing that you wanted me to do? something with /exec ? |
| 16:20.41 | dury | how to upgrade it |
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| 16:21.42 | fbc | liable, how can you be so sure? none of the documentation I've read so far says anything about architecture dependent at all? |
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| 16:22.12 | dury | is it "apt-get install firefox-3.0 or gtk2.10 |
| 16:22.35 | liable | fbc: because it downloads according to your sources.list. and if your sources list doesnt have 64, then it wont work. but go ahead and ask the appropriate people |
| 16:23.38 | Sysctl___ | hi, got a problem, have a server with an encrypted volume whose filesystem has corrupted. booting it up and entering LUKS fails and end up with initramfs, which doesn't have fsck on it. what could i boot the system with and how would i mount the volume manually (especially since its mapped to a logical volume, rather than a device?) |
| 16:23.58 | dury | I better go for my freebsd box |
| 16:24.09 | peleg1 | abrotman? bushmills? do you think I should give up? |
| 16:24.26 | dury | bbl |
| 16:24.38 | Bushmills | peleg1: try the bind9-host as alternative? |
| 16:24.52 | peleg1 | Bushmills: I'll try. thanks! |
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| 16:25.39 | Bushmills | peleg1: apt-get install bind9-host |
| 16:26.43 | Bushmills | peleg1: then also do md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/bind9-host* | awk '{print $1}' |
| 16:27.21 | Bushmills | can make sure that one is not corrupted |
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| 16:27.43 | peleg1 | I have to switch the cable again. thanks |
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| 16:28.44 | Bushmills | peleg1: do you have security in your apt sources? |
| 16:29.05 | peleg2 | Bushmills: I can't use aptitude, since I am not connected to the internet... |
| 16:29.09 | AlteKiet | Is there a way to redirect connection attempts on port 80 to different ports on the same (or another) machine, for instance to sshd and apache, depending on what ip is connecting? |
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| 16:29.32 | Bushmills | but you reinstalled the other host just before? |
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| 16:29.41 | samuel | sup all |
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| 16:30.16 | td123 | does anyone know if I can burn dvds with the program called 'burn'? |
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| 16:30.21 | peleg2 | Bushmills: maybe I didn't purge it? I don't know how it works, but probably I had it downloaded |
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| 16:30.37 | samuel | how can I get macs to see my debian sid machine through bonjour? i want my debian sid machine to have a name visible to the macs, is this possible? |
| 16:30.52 | peleg2 | but now it wouldn't allow me to download bind9-.. |
| 16:31.24 | netdur | hey, do you have list of devices with debian pre-installed? |
| 16:31.32 | td123 | what do people use to burn isos through the command line to dvds? dvd+rwtools? |
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| 16:31.44 | netdur | (like n800) |
| 16:31.59 | Bushmills | peleg2: an usbnet cable can come in handy sometimes |
| 16:32.18 | Sertse | hey all |
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| 16:32.56 | peleg2 | Bushmills: I think I have one. should I do anything in order to make it work? |
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| 16:33.33 | Bushmills | modprobe usbnet ; ifconfig usb0 10.10.10.123 and on the other end 10.10.10.124 or such |
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| 16:34.25 | peleg2 | Bushmills: thank you very much. I think I will take a break now, and come back to it tomorrow (I also have to find that cable...). I appreciate your help. |
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| 16:35.17 | Bushmills | peleg2: are both machines debian? |
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| 16:36.41 | H2OyJaBoN | hi |
| 16:36.52 | H2OyJaBoN | can someone recommend a case tool as umbrello? |
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| 16:37.23 | djc2 | hi everyone, When I try to run ardour, he says : "the playback device "hw:0" is already in use. Please stop the application using it and run JACK again" |
| 16:37.28 | peleg2 | Bushmills: I have one machine (that one) which is windows. it's not really mine. I have to go now, so I won't be able to reply any more... ;-) thanks again, and I will talk to you later or tomorrow, probably. |
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| 16:38.20 | peleg2 | Bushmills: and I also have ubuntu laptop (not here) and ubuntu desktop (not here) - total of 4 computers, one of them is etch, which is the problematic now... ;-) |
| 16:39.36 | Bushmills | no idea how usbnet works with windows as peer |
| 16:39.43 | Sebby | i have a question: why when i try to copile a program whit normal user rights i can`t i get a complain something with permision denied ,and if i compile it as root i can`t start the program using normal user (the program doesn`t start with superuser rights) |
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| 16:42.25 | Bushmills | Sebby: 1: because the user lacks permission to write somewhere. 2. because the program doesn't allow to, as you say. |
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| 16:43.15 | Bushmills | solution: fix file/dir permissions so that user can write |
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| 16:43.34 | sladi | Hi! Is there a script I should use in order to automatically execute commands as user when I login (independently of the window manager)? I use Gdm and Wmii btw. |
| 16:44.27 | H2OyJaBoN | sladi, that's configurable from ~/.bash_profile .bashrc |
| 16:44.31 | rwaite | .loginrc? |
| 16:44.35 | H2OyJaBoN | .loginrc |
| 16:44.36 | H2OyJaBoN | etc |
| 16:44.40 | H2OyJaBoN | rwaite, sorry =) |
| 16:45.07 | rwaite | nah its cool. its scary i have all this useless knowledge filling my head |
| 16:45.07 | H2OyJaBoN | .xinit there are some ways to do it |
| 16:45.18 | rwaite | loginrc? who's gonna care about that 100 years from now |
| 16:45.34 | H2OyJaBoN | xD |
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| 16:45.46 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 16:46.06 | Bushmills | rwaite: that's an oxymoron, "useless knowledge" |
| 16:46.48 | SamuraiDio | what do i need installed/configured to reportbug works? exim4? |
| 16:47.17 | sladi | Thanks a lot! :) |
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| 16:47.53 | kdeuser^ | Hey |
| 16:48.14 | kdeuser^ | I am trying to install ie7 under wine for some sites that only support ie |
| 16:48.22 | kdeuser^ | I am getting an error saying |
| 16:48.26 | sladi | SamuraiDio: exim4 worked for me. I haven't tried but I hope nbsmtp is ok too. |
| 16:48.27 | rwaite | Bushmills: i suppose you're right. just feels useless to me :) |
| 16:48.46 | Bushmills | And faith unfaithful kept him falsely true |
| 16:48.58 | kdeuser^ | Unable to find a volume for file extraction Please verify that you have proper permissions |
| 16:49.02 | kdeuser^ | what do i do ? |
| 16:49.37 | kdeuser^ | Does it require wine to have a D drive as well to extract? |
| 16:49.56 | SamuraiDio | sladi, but i have deactivated exim4, because on every boot, it takes a lot of time when not connected to internet |
| 16:50.23 | vandyke | /quit |
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| 16:51.03 | kdeuser^ | Can someone guide me in installing ie 7 |
| 16:51.18 | Bushmills | i think i'd be more pleased aiding to remove it |
| 16:51.43 | chops | Sysctl___: Boot it with init=/bin/sh and run fsck while the FS is read-only? |
| 16:52.06 | Bushmills | !shoot IE |
| 16:52.06 | dpkg | blows IE away with a German Luger |
| 16:52.35 | kdeuser^ | no I need it to view an ie only internal site |
| 16:52.37 | kdeuser^ | at work |
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| 16:52.40 | sladi | SamuraiDio: nbsmtp seems to be pretty lightweight. I haven't tested it but it should work IIRC. |
| 16:53.03 | Bushmills | !shoot IE only internal site |
| 16:53.03 | dpkg | blows IE only internal site away with a double-barreled shotgun |
| 16:53.11 | Bushmills | :) |
| 16:53.30 | kdeuser^ | Hehe |
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| 16:54.50 | Sysctl___ | chops: how can it fsck an unmounted encrypted volume? |
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| 16:55.45 | Nwallins | why would I use resolvconf package (instead of /etc/resolv.conf) ? |
| 16:55.52 | SamuraiDio | sladi, i think i'll stay with exim, but how do i configure it do never start on system init? |
| 16:55.56 | Nwallins | i am used to plain ol /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:56.10 | valdyn | Nwallins: resolvconf is a tool that edits /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 16:57.16 | Nwallins | valdyn: i notice it touches /etc/network/interfaces as well -- just a good frontend for coordination across multiple files/programs ? |
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| 16:57.36 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: if you have that little use for an smtp server, it is probably overkil, and you could think of a much lighter mail forwarder, like nullmailer, for example |
| 16:57.38 | valdyn | Nwallins: its not a frontend |
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| 16:58.02 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, hmm |
| 16:58.18 | valdyn | Nwallins: its doing the coordination though - setting resolv.conf according to what your ppp connection dictates,for instance |
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| 16:59.23 | Nwallins | i only have one dns scenario (primary / secondary) -- nothign tricky -- I don't see any need to introduce a new tool -- what's the win? |
| 16:59.56 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: there is also nbsmtp and ssmtp |
| 17:00.46 | SamuraiDio | i'm checking |
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| 17:01.18 | SamuraiDio | i just need a sendmail service, it's a desktop pc, not a mail server |
| 17:01.34 | Bushmills | that's why i mentioned those to you |
| 17:01.56 | kdeuser^ | ie4linux provides ie7 now |
| 17:02.19 | kdeuser^ | how many of you guys are allowed to use linux at work |
| 17:02.43 | Nwallins | raises hand |
| 17:02.46 | kdeuser^ | At work I have to use windows xp.. as they preinstall pc`s with xp |
| 17:03.05 | kdeuser^ | so I got to have ie on linux as well. |
| 17:03.07 | kdeuser^ | :) |
| 17:03.40 | Bushmills | hasn't seen a windows for long time now |
| 17:04.10 | kdeuser^ | I like to use xfce and debian ;) |
| 17:04.21 | kdeuser^ | kde is getting bad |
| 17:04.41 | kdeuser^ | kde4 really sucks.. I don`t why they have taken such a drastic step. |
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| 17:04.54 | SamuraiDio | nbsmtp and ssmtp seens to have the same use, what should be better (i'm asking for opinions) |
| 17:04.55 | SamuraiDio | ? |
| 17:05.11 | kdeuser^ | what do you guys think. though I am recently hanging over the command line alone. |
| 17:05.20 | Bushmills | xfce4-panel and the main menu suffer from mem leaks in debian :( |
| 17:05.28 | kdeuser^ | Ah.. |
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| 17:05.35 | kdeuser^ | soemthing I didn`t know.. |
| 17:05.36 | Bushmills | sorry. not panel. desktop |
| 17:05.37 | justin | SamuraiDio: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 17:05.42 | justin | SamuraiDio: when in doubt, use the more popular one |
| 17:05.53 | kdeuser^ | any chance they are fixed in sid ? |
| 17:05.57 | kdeuser^ | or lenny ? |
| 17:06.00 | Bushmills | not yet |
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| 17:06.35 | kdeuser^ | any steps I can take to reduce those mem leaks ? |
| 17:07.02 | Bushmills | load a backdrop image. repeat reloading it |
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| 17:07.10 | kdeuser^ | I do find the the desktop doesn`t change when I add new icons |
| 17:07.23 | Bushmills | each reload adds about the size of the image to memory use |
| 17:07.43 | kdeuser^ | it needs me to relogin or reload the desktop folder |
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| 17:08.02 | kdeuser^ | Looks like you want me to have a crash with more mem leaks |
| 17:08.21 | kdeuser^ | is there a bug report on this or something.. the memleaks ? |
| 17:08.40 | Bushmills | xfdesktop --reload |
| 17:08.45 | Theo__ | I just installed exim4. how do i send mail? |
| 17:09.00 | kdeuser^ | what does that do ? |
| 17:09.07 | wols_ | Theo__: with a MUA |
| 17:09.09 | kdeuser^ | reload the desktop |
| 17:09.13 | chops | Sysctl___: I'm saying to boot the LUKS volume as normal, just with init=/bin/sh appended so it doesn't try to run init. Or is the FS so corrupted that it can't even run /bin/sh? |
| 17:09.18 | wols_ | !mua |
| 17:09.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, mua is a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program. |
| 17:09.18 | Theo__ | which should i get, wols? |
| 17:09.24 | wols_ | whichever you want |
| 17:09.35 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 17:09.43 | Bushmills | the main menu leak you can work around, by removing it from panel, and put a launcher at its place, which executes xfdesktop --menu |
| 17:09.50 | HardDisk_WP | i own some ancient us robotics fax modem & call answering machien |
| 17:09.51 | kdeuser^ | Does mem leaks help in lowering the amount of the time a battery on the laptop ?? |
| 17:09.52 | HardDisk_WP | ne |
| 17:09.54 | kdeuser^ | can last |
| 17:09.59 | HardDisk_WP | can i control it via debian? |
| 17:10.03 | HardDisk_WP | at least the fax paert |
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| 17:10.06 | HardDisk_WP | -e |
| 17:10.20 | Bushmills | kdeuser^: potentially. especially when the system starts to swap |
| 17:10.42 | kdeuser^ | oh |
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| 17:10.58 | docmax | how can i convert a bunch of wav-files into mp3-files? |
| 17:10.59 | kdeuser^ | Hmm.. just when I was really happy with my desktop |
| 17:11.02 | Bushmills | xfdesktop was eating about 600 mb per day here |
| 17:11.06 | kdeuser^ | let me google on this |
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| 17:11.37 | chops | docmax: lame |
| 17:11.51 | kdeuser^ | I have been using my laptop for around 2 hours or more |
| 17:12.00 | Bushmills | work around is - again - relatively easy: xfdesktop --quit ; xfdesktop |
| 17:12.03 | kdeuser^ | the ram usage is around 257 megs |
| 17:12.08 | Bushmills | still, annoying |
| 17:12.12 | docmax | lame *.wav *.mp3 or what? |
| 17:12.18 | kdeuser^ | You use xfce too ? |
| 17:12.23 | Bushmills | sometimes. |
| 17:12.45 | kdeuser^ | that clears all the mem leaks |
| 17:12.51 | kdeuser^ | let me do that and check |
| 17:12.59 | kdeuser^ | my apps will still be open right ? |
| 17:13.08 | Bushmills | not that often recently. another point i find annoying is that you can set file manager to single click activation, but not desktop. and the devs have no intention to change that |
| 17:13.21 | Theo__ | I followed this tutorial to get exim4 working with gmail: http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 how do i check if it worked? |
| 17:13.34 | kdeuser^ | yeah |
| 17:13.35 | Bushmills | single clicking here, and double clicking there is just not .. consistent |
| 17:13.36 | chops | docmax: for x in *.wav; do lame "$x" "`echo $x | sed 's/wav$/mp3/'`"; done |
| 17:13.49 | kdeuser^ | my me usage was 260 and I did a reload and its now 250 |
| 17:13.54 | kdeuser^ | and now rising |
| 17:13.57 | kdeuser^ | 253 |
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| 17:14.27 | Bushmills | initially it should be around 80 .. 100 mb |
| 17:14.34 | kdeuser^ | Oh |
| 17:14.44 | kdeuser^ | but I have a few apps running now |
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| 17:14.55 | kdeuser^ | so maybe its around 250 megs |
| 17:15.02 | Bushmills | those don;t show in xfdesktop mem usage |
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| 17:15.21 | chops | kdeuser^: When you say, "mem usage", what are you looking at? |
| 17:15.31 | kdeuser^ | RAM |
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| 17:15.53 | chops | kdeuser^: I mean what tool are you looking at and what number are you reading? |
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| 17:25.17 | rwaite | does linux offer an analog to remote kernel debugging with windbg? |
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| 17:27.46 | ma3x | the new iceweasel looks good, but the autocomplete pisses me off a little bit |
| 17:27.48 | ma3x | it's kinda big |
| 17:27.50 | SamuraiDio | i have installed nbsmtp and configured /etc/nbsmtprc, but when i try to send an email (mail my@address.com) i receive an error: |
| 17:27.53 | SamuraiDio | 'send-mail: invalid option -- i |
| 17:27.54 | SamuraiDio | Usage: send-mail -f from@address.com -h relayhost [OPTIONS] (use -H for help) |
| 17:27.54 | SamuraiDio | Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1' |
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| 17:28.33 | abrotman | ma3x: if you google .. you can turn it off |
| 17:29.40 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: try sendmail -f ... |
| 17:29.47 | ma3x | this new version looks like a damn spaceship |
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| 17:31.05 | ma3x | abrotman: I don't wanat to turn it off, rather to remove the SITE TITLE |
| 17:31.10 | ma3x | it's fucking annoying |
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| 17:32.09 | ma3x | is 3.0 supposed to be more stable? |
| 17:32.16 | rwaite | no |
| 17:32.31 | rwaite | well, 'supposed' to be. but is not. |
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| 17:34.11 | ma3x | does it crash again? |
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| 17:36.43 | rwaite | i've had it crash a few times on linux |
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| 17:45.05 | tclineks | don't think this is possible but can i link one one file to another without using more inodes until i modify one of the files? |
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| 17:45.54 | maligor | files that would share parts of them selves? |
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| 17:46.09 | maligor | sounds incredibly complex |
| 17:46.37 | wols_ | if you hardlink a file it's still only one file. just exists in two places on the filesystem |
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| 17:47.07 | varlon | today I have a problem with wpa_supplicant (all time I have connection lost, and reconnect to access point), but now I fixed it. In memory was 3 copy of wpa_supplicant, I killed a newer and all stay fine :) // today a asked about it here |
| 17:47.42 | Bushmills | tclineks: what do you intend to achieve? |
| 17:48.12 | tclineks | Bushmills: reduce disk usage |
| 17:48.17 | pumpkin0 | tclineks: it sounds like a really wired version of unionfs ... |
| 17:48.54 | tclineks | git/hg do it but i suppose they manage the information about when to create new files vs write on old inodes |
| 17:49.10 | chops | tclineks: If you use hardlinks, then depending on how you're modifying the files, you may either get what you want, or you may wind up editing "both" files when you edit either one of "them" |
| 17:49.38 | chops | tclineks: FWIW I've long wanted copy-on-write semantics for file copies, also |
| 17:49.43 | Bushmills | tclineks: i think hard links do pretty much what you intend, then. pointing to the same file bodies. when an app modifies one, by renaming and writing a new version, the other hard links point to the original. similar to copy-on-write. |
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| 17:50.27 | Bushmills | but how would you save disk space by having additional links to a file? |
| 17:50.27 | pumpkin0 | chops: ext3 has a not-so-stable mod for that. |
| 17:51.03 | Bushmills | me seems one single reference to a file, and one instance of it is what saves most space |
| 17:51.11 | chops | Bushmills: cp a b consumes 2*sizeof(a) bytes, ln a b consumes sizeof(a) |
| 17:51.57 | maligor | err.. I don't think hard links preserve original |
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| 17:52.02 | chops | Bushmills: What saves _most_ space is just deleting all your files. What still gives you the minimum space consumption that still provides all your files is the issue :-) |
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| 17:53.00 | Bushmills | chops:log structured file systems may address that. |
| 17:53.00 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, when using sendmail -f ... the terminal still wait for entries, until Ctrl+D |
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| 17:53.37 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: yes sure you need to give it your message as input of course. sendmail -f you@domain me@domain <<< message |
| 17:54.34 | Bushmills | log structured file systems automatically keep one or several modified versions of a file accessable if needed, in what would otherwise be free disk space |
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| 17:54.55 | administrador | hi.. when i try to recompile my kernel i get this error "make: *** [sanity_check] Error 4" what it could be? |
| 17:54.57 | Bushmills | eventually older versions get garbage collected. |
| 17:55.48 | Bushmills | not sure whether that's of any help for the example of copying files - let me test that |
| 17:56.11 | Posterdati | kommodore: 64? |
| 17:56.37 | pumpkin0 | tclineks: you cloud compress your file into a squashfs and layer a unionfs over that. You will have copy-on-write and you save space. |
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| 17:57.13 | tclineks | pumpkin0: yeah. thanks |
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| 17:57.37 | FoxM | Is there a way to configure lineak to send information to kmix so that I can choose which channel(s) I want to modify with my keyboard? because right now it is only changing one channel, the headphone channel, and I want to change the volume in the PCM channel... and send the mute command to both headphone and front channels |
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| 17:57.41 | Bushmills | no, copying creates a new instance before modificacation of copy already. |
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| 17:58.04 | pumpkin0 | tclineks: but don't use that on files related to booting. |
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| 17:58.32 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, no error, but no email received |
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| 18:00.32 | administrador | :( |
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| 18:00.45 | Bushmills | SamuraiDio: copy and paste this: sendmail -f samudio l.samu.dio@scarydevilmonastery.net <<< test |
| 18:02.22 | SamuraiDio | it asks for the -hoption |
| 18:02.23 | Bushmills | and say when you did |
| 18:02.27 | SamuraiDio | it asks for the -h option |
| 18:02.41 | Bushmills | ah. that's not given in its config file? |
| 18:03.14 | SamuraiDio | yeah it is: relayhost = smtp.google.com |
| 18:03.15 | Bushmills | you don't really want a MUA to know that, and pass it as command line parameter |
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| 18:04.01 | SamuraiDio | in /etc/nbsmtprc |
| 18:04.01 | Bushmills | but then it shouldn't ask for it |
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| 18:04.50 | administrador | exit 4 |
| 18:04.50 | administrador | make: *** [sanity_check] Error 4 |
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| 18:04.53 | Bushmills | well, don't bother. use ssmtp |
| 18:04.56 | administrador | is the error that i get when i try to recompile the kernel |
| 18:05.11 | chops | administrador: Can you pastebin the full output? |
| 18:05.14 | wols_ | administrador: that's not the error |
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| 18:06.22 | administrador | wols_, chops http://pastebin.com/m6ff430bf |
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| 18:11.41 | bfremon | hi everyone |
| 18:11.41 | Bushmills | !drug everybody |
| 18:11.41 | dpkg | feeds everybody a dozen or so rohypnols and watches them be reduced to a gibbering heap of crap |
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| 18:11.44 | wols_ | administrador: look at third last and 2nd to last line |
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| 18:11.45 | Rafz | hello i've problem with opera stable with flash player,have link for opera beta? |
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| 18:12.15 | BlueBeret | hi |
| 18:12.25 | bfremon | is anyone know if xen from x86/unstable is working ? I just installed it, and when i try to boot, dom0 is refusing to load saying than it's not a elf executable ? |
| 18:12.25 | administrador | :P |
| 18:12.28 | administrador | the clean |
| 18:12.33 | administrador | wols_, sorry :P |
| 18:13.12 | BlueBeret | I tried booting my old system from an old drive in my new computer. these are the errors I got: http://pastebin.com/m5dc2edef -- any ideas? |
| 18:13.25 | SamuraiDio | Bushmills, yeah it is set: relayhost = smtp.google.com |
| 18:13.28 | BlueBeret | the system was Debian unstable |
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| 18:16.11 | linkslice | regarding bind patchI don't see one for sarge am I just blind or is there not one yet? |
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| 18:16.46 | gordboy | any debian users willing to try out frostwire 4.17.0 ? i want to replicate a bug and get this put to bed asap. thanks in advance - http://www.frostwire.com/?id=downloads |
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| 18:18.10 | helo | is there another way to remove a module than to call rmmod? |
| 18:18.24 | BlueBeret | helo: modprobe -r |
| 18:18.27 | gordboy | helo: modprobe -r |
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| 18:21.22 | Roconda | hey, I've got an vps server and when configuring I get the error ''configure: error: Unable to find library containing res_mkquery()''. What am I missing ? |
| 18:21.48 | helo | is there another way to shutdown and halt a machine than "shutdown -h now"? |
| 18:21.54 | Roconda | poweroff |
| 18:22.07 | helo | this machine's hard drive is failing, and most commands i try to run give me "input/output error" |
| 18:22.20 | asg | helo: try init 0 |
| 18:22.27 | helo | i had to "ssh user@machine /bin/sh" to be able to run anything |
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| 18:23.28 | helo | i think that got it... |
| 18:23.51 | gordboy | Roconda: "objdump -T /lib/libresolv-2.7.so | grep res_mkquery" shows it |
| 18:24.46 | gordboy | Roconda: so you need libc6 & libc6-dev |
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| 18:26.01 | Roconda | gordboy: objdump didn't work, and I already got libc6 +development files |
| 18:26.57 | gordboy | Roconda: must be a different libc6 here then. have you got a libresolv(-dev) ? |
| 18:27.02 | L_Neves | Hi. I'm trying to set the latency values with setpci for some devices, but they won't change from 0. I'm using commands like setpci -s 01:00.0 latency_timer=ff on Debian Testing, on a Dell Vostro 1500 laptop. What is wrong? |
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| 18:27.38 | GutGrinder | Hi |
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| 18:27.45 | GutGrinder | is Roconda here ? |
| 18:27.53 | GutGrinder | do not thrust that guy |
| 18:28.39 | gordboy | i'm having thrust issues ... |
| 18:28.40 | Roconda | gordboy: well, I think I know the problem ... I am missing some sources in my sources.list |
| 18:28.57 | gordboy | Roconda: righty ho |
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| 18:29.12 | Roconda | gordboy: thanks for the help btw :) |
| 18:29.12 | Nyle | hi |
| 18:29.17 | GutGrinder | gordboy do you know what Roconda does ? |
| 18:29.20 | GutGrinder | he smokes weed :o |
| 18:29.37 | Nyle | hey |
| 18:29.39 | Nyle | so? |
| 18:29.43 | Roconda | ignore gutgrinder btw |
| 18:29.47 | GutGrinder | drugs are bad mkaay |
| 18:29.48 | vladi_ | does debian use kickstart files for its automated installs? |
| 18:30.22 | Nyle | boredom is a disease worse than cancer. Drugs cure it, with usually no bad side effects if used as directed and in moderation for recreation. |
| 18:30.37 | GutGrinder | Nyle |
| 18:30.40 | GutGrinder | I was joking around |
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| 18:30.45 | GutGrinder | Roconda is helping me on my box |
| 18:30.53 | GutGrinder | im annoying him |
| 18:31.01 | Nyle | don't annoy people who are helping you ;) |
| 18:31.10 | GutGrinder | I just smoked a jay so I do not have anything against weed |
| 18:31.31 | Nyle | GutGrinder, #debian-potheads |
| 18:31.46 | GutGrinder | :| |
| 18:31.49 | GutGrinder | guess thats empty ? |
| 18:31.54 | GutGrinder | #care :x |
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| 18:33.31 | gordboy | listen guys, when you're finished your group hug & peace pipe, maybe we could address the real business of the day : will rose tyler come back for series 4 doc who ? :) |
| 18:33.41 | buu | Clearly not |
| 18:33.47 | Nyle | what? |
| 18:33.59 | mancubis | hi ppl |
| 18:34.02 | mancubis | does anyone here know how to get mysql_config ? |
| 18:34.11 | Nyle | how to get? |
| 18:34.21 | mancubis | I mean |
| 18:34.36 | mancubis | What package consist it |
| 18:34.40 | gordboy | mancubis: libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 18:34.45 | mancubis | thnx |
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| 18:35.18 | Roconda | gordboy: objdump -T /lib/libresolv-2.3.6.so | grep res_mkquery << that worked |
| 18:35.55 | Roconda | gordboy: It's just an other version |
| 18:36.06 | Roconda | gordboy: but it was still pre-installed |
| 18:36.07 | gordboy | Roconda: right. yeah i forgot that the pipe would swallow stdout :) |
| 18:36.09 | Nyle | another is one word |
| 18:36.12 | Nyle | btw |
| 18:36.25 | Nyle | just as alot is not a word |
| 18:36.28 | Nyle | =D |
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| 18:38.40 | amphi | !qotd12 |
| 18:38.40 | dpkg | <thomas_adam> mwilson is the only person I know that manages to use 'idiot' as a noun. :) * thomas_adam laughs <ricky_clarkson> thomas_adam: idiot *is* a noun. <mwilson> It IS a noun. <initech> thomas_adam: err .. it is a noun <Guerin> thomas_adam: how else does one use it? * thomas_adam laughs -- no no, nevermind. :) <Guerin> we have been trolled, fellow grammar nazis |
| 18:38.45 | Roconda | gordboy: how can I use that with configuring ? |
| 18:40.13 | Nyle | amphi, dude where do you pull out these freakin quotes man |
| 18:40.37 | gordboy | Roconda: not sure what the problem is. it looks like you have everything in place, and yet the ./configure won't play nice. maybe it's broken |
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| 18:41.48 | Nyle | !popcon |
| 18:41.48 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 18:44.09 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 18:44.09 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
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| 18:45.09 | Nyle | enouf, oye |
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| 18:57.01 | Eitan | I don't know how it happened, but somehow my whole filesystem became read-only, and I can't boot into Gnome. The GDM doesn't work, and I can't even MAN commands because the file system is read-only. How do I fix this from a console login? |
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| 18:57.19 | abrotman | probably need to fsck the filesystem |
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| 18:57.52 | justin | Eitan: shutdown -r -F now |
| 18:57.53 | Eitan | abrotman: are you talking to me? |
| 18:58.34 | Eitan | justin: How will shutting down the system make the file-system writeable? |
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| 18:59.05 | justin | Eitan: shutting down the system will not make the filesystem writable |
| 18:59.14 | Ast001 | after install of debian on my motherboard when I reboot I've got HDA LOST INTERRUPT error message which can stand 30 minuters. I have sata disks so hda can be only dvd rom. I have tried to disable it in bios but same event happend again.It is interesting when I manualy reset computer which hangs with hda lost interupts it can boot!? what is that ? |
| 18:59.19 | Eitan | justin: so why did you tell me to do that? |
| 18:59.29 | justin | Eitan: I didn't tell you to shutdown the system |
| 18:59.49 | Eitan | justin: so what does the shutdown -r -F now command do? |
| 18:59.57 | justin | Eitan: hopefully fix your filesystem |
| 19:00.10 | Ast001 | Does it means that my motherboard is bad ? |
| 19:00.16 | Eitan | justin: what do the -r and -F switches do? |
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| 19:00.39 | justin | Eitan: well, actually, if your filesystem is readonly that won't help very much |
| 19:01.17 | Eitan | justin: a bit must have gotten flipped somhow and now my file system is read only. So what's the fix? |
| 19:01.30 | justin | Eitan: not likely, check dmesg |
| 19:01.42 | Eitan | hold on... |
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| 19:03.46 | StucKman_ | files in /etc/network/if-up.d/ are run in run-parts order (lexicographic)? |
| 19:04.17 | Eitan | justin: dmesg showed a bunch of hard drive errors. |
| 19:04.28 | Eitan | justin: I rebooted and that seemed to fix everything. Thanks for your help. |
| 19:04.42 | justin | Eitan: run badblocks in read-only non destructive mode |
| 19:04.57 | Eitan | justin: thanks... will do. |
| 19:05.01 | Eitan | bye all. |
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| 19:05.32 | MertDirik | hi |
| 19:05.40 | MertDirik | I'm getting mails like Device: /dev/hda, ATA error count increased from 7488 to 7489 |
| 19:05.59 | MertDirik | I do tests with smartctl and it says nothing is wrong |
| 19:06.35 | MertDirik | I've asked it to smartmontools mailing list and the author of the program said me some program/service is sending ATAPI commands to my ATA devices |
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| 19:06.50 | MertDirik | which program or service can do that? |
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| 19:12.26 | mike_xcr | hi all |
| 19:12.31 | mike_xcr | i write program in C++ and... g++ main.cc -o program lpthread so... ./program (Linux - remind ;)) and error: Annihilate (translate from polish) or Killed |
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| 19:13.19 | justin | mike_xcr: your program is buggy. |
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| 19:13.45 | mike_xcr | justin: in Debian with Gnome (my personal settings) run OK. |
| 19:13.56 | mike_xcr | justin: in Debian minimal (only console) start no OK... ;) |
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| 19:14.27 | abrotman | how did you install gcc ? |
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| 19:15.43 | mike_xcr | i have gcc and g++ in 4.1 version |
| 19:16.01 | peterS | mike_xcr: also it should be -pthread not -lpthread. I mean -lpthread might work, but -pthread is the correct way |
| 19:16.09 | abrotman | !b-e |
| 19:16.10 | dpkg | well, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 19:16.38 | mike_xcr | peterS: hmm -pthread ... not result :( |
| 19:16.40 | Posterdati | hi |
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| 19:17.00 | Posterdati | please I got a problem with kde on lenny: desktop icons won't refresh automatically |
| 19:17.16 | jamesstanley | Right click desktop, Refresh |
| 19:17.17 | mike_xcr | wrrrr C++ is very f*ck... i must programming in C :F |
| 19:17.28 | jamesstanley | I afree with mike_xcr |
| 19:17.29 | mike_xcr | jamesstanley: or F5 :) |
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| 19:17.39 | arooni-mobile | i think i screwed up pretty bad. on a debian box i set it up so when you ssh in, you can only do it with your ssh key (no password based auth). ok then i blew away my public id_rsa.pub keys.... am i totally hosed? it's a vps so can they fix it? |
| 19:17.42 | peterS | mike_xcr: to check for a buggy C++ compiler, you can try installing g++-4.1, g++-4.2, g++-4.3, then try compiling with each of those |
| 19:17.56 | mike_xcr | peterS: hmm good idee :D |
| 19:18.06 | mike_xcr | i must eth connect... |
| 19:18.07 | mike_xcr | bye :) |
| 19:18.13 | arooni-mobile | i think i screwed up pretty bad. on a debian box i set it up so when you ssh in, you can only do it with your ssh key (no password based auth). ok then i blew away my public id_rsa.pub keys.... am i totally hosed? it's a vps so can they fix it? |
| 19:18.15 | arooni-mobile | oops |
| 19:18.18 | arooni-mobile | didnt mean to type twice |
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| 19:18.51 | peterS | arooni-mobile: you don't need the .pub file except as reference so you can copy its contents into authorized_keys on the servfer |
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| 19:18.55 | paulbeats | anyone here? |
| 19:19.01 | abrotman | no |
| 19:19.04 | paulbeats | :) |
| 19:19.11 | peterS | paulbeats: just 800 instances of eliza |
| 19:19.14 | paulbeats | it's my 1st time |
| 19:19.20 | abrotman | peterS: I can make cake! |
| 19:19.27 | arooni-mobile | peterS, i blew way the id_rsa too i think |
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| 19:19.47 | paulbeats | is there anyone could help me with my iphone problem please? |
| 19:19.57 | abrotman | paulbeats: this is #debian .. does your iphone run debian? |
| 19:20.09 | Corkster | if it does i want one :) |
| 19:20.15 | peterS | arooni-mobile: then you might have problems getting in. depending on your options for console access and custom boot params |
| 19:21.00 | paulbeats | anyone could help me pls? |
| 19:21.35 | peterS | paulbeats: not unless you have some way of relating your problem to Debian. the iPhone doesn't have much to do with Debian. |
| 19:22.14 | paulbeats | i taught this an iphone |
| 19:22.17 | paulbeats | chat room |
| 19:22.20 | peterS | nope |
| 19:22.28 | paulbeats | excuse me then |
| 19:22.32 | peterS | this is #debian, it is about the Debian operating system |
| 19:22.37 | Quag7 | Why, I have to know, would you think this was an #iphone channel? |
| 19:22.37 | abrotman | there is a #macosx .. mildly more related .. but not really |
| 19:22.40 | Quag7 | I am deeply curious |
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| 19:26.00 | Jygga | has somebody experience with "enterprise quality" hard discs for a fileserver? enterprise quality meaning: supports ncq, has something onboard to prevent common problems with external interference, vibration sensors and all that marketing mumbojumbo |
| 19:26.08 | Jygga | dunno which brand to go |
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| 19:26.30 | wols_ | Jygga: how is this a debian support question? |
| 19:26.36 | wols_ | Jygga: ##hardware |
| 19:27.09 | Jygga | err ye sry fc |
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| 19:29.25 | twobitwork | anyone have any ideas about the /opt directory in relation to debian policy? I don't find any mention of it in the manual |
| 19:30.22 | chops | twobitwork: I don't believe Debian installs anything in /opt or has any policy about it. |
| 19:30.34 | chops | twobitwork: I would expect it to be like /srv, explicitly reserved for the local server operator |
| 19:31.13 | benjamindees | it's likely just a LSB thing that debian doesn't use |
| 19:31.16 | twobitwork | chops: ok... I ask because a package I maintain historically installs in /opt on various other OS's and some people want to maintain that |
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| 19:31.57 | chops | Incidentally, I'm starting a Windows programming project in which I'm going to try to get the team to standardize on UTF-8 for strings, and I would like to say that you Debian folks probably don't know how good you have it as far as encoding and localization support. |
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| 19:32.49 | benjamindees | http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ |
| 19:32.49 | chops | twobitwork: I would expect installing into /opt to violate Debian policy (which generally mandates particular locations for things, which happen not to be /opt :-). As a server operator, I would certainly be unhappy if a package installed into /opt and potentially overwrote local files I had placed there during a local installation of the same software. |
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| 19:33.30 | abrotman | twobitwork: uhm .. probably not going to work |
| 19:34.07 | benjamindees | "A package to be installed in /opt must locate its static ï¬les in a separate /opt/<package> directory |
| 19:34.07 | benjamindees | tree, where <package> is a name that describes the software package." |
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| 19:35.39 | mike_xcr | re |
| 19:35.57 | enouf | Nyle: please pronounce--> [14:47:57] <Nyle> enouf, oye |
| 19:36.04 | mike_xcr | hmm, i compile my program in Slax LiveCD 6.0.7 success :D |
| 19:36.08 | mike_xcr | and run OK |
| 19:36.39 | mike_xcr | can i copy /lib/ name with c / C++ to my little debian ? |
| 19:36.42 | abrotman | benjamindees: etch doesn't seem to have a single package that uses /opt/ |
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| 19:37.02 | Wampyre | Yo! Hello all y'all beautiful people! |
| 19:37.06 | benjamindees | <benjamindees> it's likely just a LSB thing that debian doesn't use |
| 19:37.33 | enouf | twobitwork: /opt is for you to do as you like |
| 19:37.47 | twobitwork | chops, abrotman: well, this is not in the debian repos... this would be a .deb that's downloaded, or retrieved from an unoffical repo |
| 19:37.59 | chops | twobitwork: Ah |
| 19:38.02 | enouf | i installed some crap there, because i knew it was reserved for me ;-) |
| 19:38.28 | twobitwork | but it is open source, so might make its way into debian at some point |
| 19:38.33 | enouf | sounds like opensuse and OOo, or Firepoop |
| 19:38.54 | enouf | or worse, java crap |
| 19:39.20 | Wampyre | Is there a way to install less than the minimum system? |
| 19:39.21 | abrotman | twobitwork: well hey .. screw up the system however you want |
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| 19:39.30 | chops | twobitwork: My personal feeling is always to look a little unhappily at a .deb that installs into /opt, but I can't speak for how others feel. If you're planning for it to make its way into Debian possibly at some point, it's probably best to structure it similarly to other Debian packages (i.e. not in /opt) from the beginning. |
| 19:39.31 | abrotman | Wampyre: such as removing what? |
| 19:39.46 | Wampyre | Say, perhaps enough to make it fit on a 128mb flash disk? |
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| 19:40.03 | chops | twobitwork: Debian leans towards internal consistency much more than similarity to upstream for decisions like that |
| 19:40.07 | abrotman | Wampyre: then remove the things you don't need .. but TBH .. a 128MB system isn't going to be able to do much |
| 19:40.08 | twobitwork | chops: that's how I feel as well... it's just been a fairly vocal minority of our users which have had a problem with it |
| 19:40.15 | abrotman | twobitwork: tell them to stuff it! |
| 19:40.16 | enouf | gah 4G sticks are like what 2 Dollars? |
| 19:40.38 | chops | twobitwork: Tell them to make their own packages |
| 19:40.38 | abrotman | enouf: maybe he lives in West Virginia?! |
| 19:40.46 | dondelelcaro | pretty much no point in installing to /opt anyway |
| 19:40.46 | enouf | Wampyre: maybe grml.org/files see small version is best for what you want |
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| 19:40.55 | Wampyre | Dude, in my country, they're still quite pricey. I have a couple of 128's that I can use. |
| 19:40.56 | bartmon1 | hi! anyone knows whether package elinks (text browser) has javascript support enabled |
| 19:41.05 | enouf | abrotman: ahh .. then it's two monster truck rallies |
| 19:41.13 | abrotman | Wampyre: i'm just saying that you wouldn't have much of a system left |
| 19:41.22 | abrotman | Wampyre: could you do it? probably |
| 19:41.31 | chops | twobitwork: Honestly, if you start listening to what people think who aren't deeply involved in the process and don't understand all the issues, you're going to wind up with a really unpleasant product. Don't ignore people without a good reason, but don't be afraid to ignore people if it's warranted. |
| 19:41.47 | Wampyre | All I need is Samba. I have 4 ide drives that I want to run in RAID 5, but it would have to be software RAID, and that would mean that I can't use the raid for the OS. |
| 19:41.53 | twobitwork | chops: good point |
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| 19:42.04 | abrotman | Wampyre: yes you can |
| 19:42.16 | twobitwork | chops: and, come to think about it, most people who use debian will appreciate sticking with policy |
| 19:42.41 | Wampyre | I was under the impression that you need to OS to start before a software raid can be started... |
| 19:43.05 | enouf | nonsense |
| 19:43.20 | chops | twobitwork: Like I said, I certainly do. It's the different from something like debian-multimedia that's pretty well-integrated and professional and something like Dell's server monitoring .debs that scream HELLO EVERYBODYS WE SUPPORTZ TEH LEENUX |
| 19:43.30 | abrotman | Wampyre: not true at all |
| 19:43.31 | MrBrush | When doing Ctrl+S , the screen session seems to be frozen , does anyone know who this does, and how to turn it off again? |
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| 19:43.37 | enouf | but i'm not abot to promote root on raid either |
| 19:43.43 | enouf | s/abot/about |
| 19:43.58 | dondelelcaro | MrBrush: hit ^q or ^a^q |
| 19:44.03 | Wampyre | interesting... |
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| 19:44.35 | Wampyre | But then, would all the drives need to be present when doing the installation and creating the RAID? |
| 19:44.51 | enouf | see the install guide please |
| 19:44.51 | Wampyre | Or could I create the RAID with 3 of 4 drives, and add the last one later? |
| 19:44.57 | MrBrush | dondelelcaro: thanks |
| 19:45.39 | twobitwork | MrBrush: those are stop codes... I'm assuming this is happenning with telnet sessions or something? |
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| 19:45.59 | Wampyre | There's an install guide? *blink* |
| 19:46.06 | Wampyre | :p Kidding |
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| 19:46.17 | Nofear-Tn | hi all, how can i reconfigure squid3 with netfilter on debian plz |
| 19:46.25 | benjamindees | Wampyre, 128 is easy to do with Sarge, and quite difficult to do with Etch. |
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| 19:46.38 | Nofear-Tn | dpkg-reconfigure squid3 --enable-linux-netfilter is not working |
| 19:46.38 | kenjy | hi guys, when I shutdown my computer with debian, it shows System Halted, how can I have autoshutdown? Do I need to install acpi or apm? or something else? |
| 19:46.54 | woden1 | why does my sound come out of the speakers when the headphones are plugged in? |
| 19:46.55 | Wampyre | benjamindees, awesome! I'll use Sarge then... as soon as I find out what that is :p |
| 19:47.29 | benjamindees | Wampyre, unsupported, that's what it is :( |
| 19:47.42 | abrotman | Wampyre: do not use sarge |
| 19:47.51 | abrotman | benjamindees: try not to recommend sarge to anyone |
| 19:48.05 | abrotman | forget it even exists! |
| 19:48.26 | enouf | abrotman: unless it's only a gatway to etch :-P |
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| 19:48.35 | enouf | gateway* |
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| 19:48.50 | benjamindees | kenjy, apt-get install apm |
| 19:48.53 | Wampyre | So Etch is the good guy, Etch is Superman... Sarge is the bad guy.. Lex Luthor... |
| 19:49.03 | dondelelcaro | kenjy: are you using a Debian kernel? |
| 19:49.17 | kenjy | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 19:49.20 | kenjy | benjamindees: tnks |
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| 19:49.53 | Wampyre | I hate the internet in this country. |
| 19:49.57 | cupe^ | :) |
| 19:50.01 | woden1 | anyone know why it is that on vista on this computer when i plug in headphones the sound comes out of the headphones and stops coming out of the speakers, but when i boot into debian lenny, when i plug in the headphones the sound still comes out of the speakers? |
| 19:50.26 | cupe^ | woden1: Check your sound config dialog? |
| 19:50.36 | cupe^ | the gui for alsamixer.. whatever it's called |
| 19:50.44 | woden1 | cupe^ sorry whats a sound config dialog? |
| 19:51.00 | woden1 | gui for alsamixer? what's that? |
| 19:51.24 | kenjy | benjamindees: theres is a packages called apmd but not a apm alone, so I need to install apmd? |
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| 19:51.32 | Wampyre | Ah, so Sarge and Etch are codenames for releases of Debian? |
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| 19:52.03 | hellues | !paste |
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| 19:52.03 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 19:52.54 | woden1 | cupe^ whats a gui for alsamixer? |
| 19:53.02 | MrBrush | twobitwork: with putty |
| 19:53.36 | benjamindees | kenjy, actually nevermind, try 'modprobe apm' then if it shuts down normally you can add 'apm' to /etc/modules |
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| 19:54.46 | kenjy | ok |
| 19:55.30 | Pheagator | can anyone give me please a hint in which package are there manual pages for syscalls? |
| 19:55.48 | wols_ | !tell Pheagator about search |
| 19:56.08 | Theo_ | what is the difference between a password and a pass-phrase? is there a difference? |
| 19:56.08 | wols_ | Wampyre: /msg dpkg etch /msg dpkg sarge |
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| 19:56.32 | Pheagator | wols_: tried apt-cache search, not sure where are exactly the manpages located to find them through the web page. |
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| 19:57.11 | Wampyre | Ah, ok, that makes lotsa sense now. |
| 19:57.12 | wols_ | Pheagator: apt-cache is the wrong way. read the factoid |
| 19:57.13 | Pheagator | hmm, I asked wrong question to apt-cache. |
| 19:57.20 | Wampyre | SO the one that I've just installed is Etch :) |
| 19:57.28 | Wampyre | Thanks wols_ |
| 19:57.40 | josip | hello, I removde /etc/apache2 by hand and then removed apache2-mpm-prefork with apt-get install. Reinstalling the server doesn't recreate the directory, is there a way out? |
| 19:57.49 | josip | apt-get remove* |
| 19:57.51 | Pheagator | wols_: factoid? |
| 19:57.54 | wols_ | josip: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 19:58.01 | wols_ | Pheagator: dpkg told you something |
| 19:58.09 | Pheagator | wols_: yes, it suggested apt-cache for the first place. |
| 19:58.12 | wols_ | Pheagator: 3 minutes ago |
| 19:58.17 | wols_ | Pheagator: read it ALL |
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| 19:58.46 | Pheagator | *click* |
| 19:59.15 | abrotman | Pheagator: manpages-dev |
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| 19:59.39 | Caemyr | hiya |
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| 20:00.12 | jmut | hi. where can I find if there is php5.2.1+ package for debian 4 |
| 20:00.15 | Pheagator | abrotman: thanks, got it. |
| 20:00.17 | ribnitz | Heyas.. how do I get a usb-headset to work (as additional soundcard)? (Sid/Experimental). |
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| 20:00.44 | ribnitz | In alsaconf the thing is not listed.. |
| 20:01.18 | Caemyr | my etch image has gcc 4.1.1x, is there any way to upgrade it to 4.1.2 at least, but using packages, not the source itself? |
| 20:01.35 | Pheagator | wols_: still i would need a filename or the proper query to apt-cache search. I think if you want to be helpful you could say some more information of ways of searching for packages. |
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| 20:02.12 | wols_ | Pheagator: manpages have a naming scheme which is always the same. |
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| 20:03.13 | Pheagator | wols_: that's some hint, but unfortunately not mentioned on the page you directed me to. |
| 20:03.17 | Pheagator | anyways thanks. |
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| 20:06.34 | gentlyninja | i want to install a software with aptitude but it depends a package (library) of which i have a newer version on my system installed, than the version the software i want to install depends on. |
| 20:06.47 | gentlyninja | how can i workaround to install the software anyway? |
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| 20:07.06 | wols_ | gentlyninja: why do you have a newer version? |
| 20:07.23 | wols_ | I can understand if you have an older version but newer |
| 20:07.24 | wols_ | ? |
| 20:07.25 | josip | wols_: I tried what you said and it only tries to touch /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and outputs this http://pastebin.com/m256b7bbd |
| 20:08.02 | wols_ | josip: apache2.conf is not part of the package you are installing |
| 20:08.03 | gentlyninja | wols_, because another software i installed before required the newer version of the package |
| 20:08.15 | wols_ | it's apache2.2-common |
| 20:08.26 | gentlyninja | the older version of the package is available in the testing sources, the newer in the debian-multimedia.org sources |
| 20:08.28 | josip | oh, sorry. I thought that it's a dependancy |
| 20:08.31 | wols_ | gentlyninja: output of what you try and apt-cache policy for all involved packages please. in a pastebin |
| 20:08.47 | wols_ | josip: just purge all apache2 packages and reinstall |
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| 20:09.56 | takahiro_ | what does this mean: W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C ? |
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| 20:10.38 | abrotman | takahiro_: it means you didn't read the instrcutions at backports.org |
| 20:10.41 | abrotman | instructions |
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| 20:11.23 | takahiro_ | ok |
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| 20:13.41 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to boot after the root file system's EXT3 journal was been moved to a new device? (Upgrading the main board changed /dev/hdc1 to /dev/hdb1.) |
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| 20:14.13 | woden1 | anyone know why it is that on vista on this computer when i plug in headphones the sound comes out of the headphones and stops coming out of the speakers, but when i boot into debian lenny, when i plug in the headphones the sound still comes out of the speakers? |
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| 20:14.34 | takahiro_ | how do i search backports.org? |
| 20:14.57 | benjamindees | takahiro_, click on 'packages' |
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| 20:15.32 | takahiro_ | benjamindees: well i typed 'php' and it said it's too short |
| 20:15.48 | takahiro_ | benjamindees: im trying to see if there is a php 5.2.6 backport in there |
| 20:15.49 | crashanddie | hi guys, in what package can I find dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 20:15.57 | vjoe | hey |
| 20:16.15 | kingsley | woden1: Configuring sound can be tricky, but there are some decent HOWTOs on the web. You may want to search Google's indices for: linux sound howto. |
| 20:16.16 | infinitycircuit | crashanddie: dpkg-dev |
| 20:16.40 | crashanddie | infinitycircuit, cheers |
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| 20:16.43 | Caemyr | can i use newer gcc package from lenny in etch? |
| 20:16.59 | abrotman | not a good idea |
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| 20:17.12 | gentlyninja | wols_, apt-cache policy: http://pastebin.org/50354 , the aptitude install command and the messages: http://pastebin.org/50356 |
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| 20:17.36 | takahiro_ | is there a backport the lenny php package for etch? |
| 20:17.41 | Caemyr | abrotman: i have issues with 4.1.2 |
| 20:17.43 | Caemyr | nope |
| 20:17.49 | Caemyr | i couldnt find it at least |
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| 20:17.59 | benjamindees | takahiro_, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=php5 |
| 20:18.19 | takahiro_ | so the only way for me to use php 5.2.6 would be to compile from source and just overwrite all the files that debian installed in /usr ? |
| 20:18.50 | benjamindees | you could try to backport it yourself. |
| 20:19.04 | wols_ | gentlyninja: that is not a apt-cache output of the involved packages at all |
| 20:19.15 | takahiro_ | benjamindees: sounds complicated |
| 20:19.46 | benjamindees | !simple sid backport |
| 20:19.47 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 20:20.00 | wols_ | gentlyninja: and dmm and debian main packages are mutually exclusive. get ALL your relevant packages like this from ONE source. either or, not mixing from both |
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| 20:20.18 | zxxd | hi |
| 20:20.23 | woden1 | kingsley: well the sound works. it just doesnt switch off the speakers and go to the headphones when i plug them in |
| 20:20.25 | zxxd | is there a java-nonfree for debian etch? |
| 20:20.32 | zxxd | java VM for iceweasel |
| 20:20.34 | wols_ | !tell zxxd about install java |
| 20:20.48 | zxxd | tell me tell me |
| 20:21.08 | gentlyninja | wols_, how can i do that to get in this case the multimedia stuff only from dmm? |
| 20:21.25 | wols_ | gentlyninja: by installing it explicitly or by pinning |
| 20:21.57 | chops | takahiro_: That is not a good idea |
| 20:22.19 | zxxd | why does java need avahai-deamon |
| 20:22.20 | gentlyninja | wols_, explicitly you mean with dpkg? |
| 20:22.22 | zxxd | avahi |
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| 20:23.05 | wols_ | gentlyninja: no |
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| 20:26.24 | takahiro_ | does nobody use php with debian? |
| 20:26.29 | abrotman | lots of people |
| 20:26.33 | takahiro_ | im surprised there is no backport :/ |
| 20:26.44 | groton | anyone installed nVidia gfx drivers on Lenny? Any how to? |
| 20:26.53 | abrotman | takahiro_: why do you need the newest version of PHP ? |
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| 20:27.23 | chops | takahiro_: Lots of people use PHP with Debian |
| 20:27.39 | takahiro_ | abrotman: i dont need the newest, just 5.2.3 or above - which introduces call_user_func() that can take class methods as a parameter, rather than only standard functions |
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| 20:29.09 | abrotman | takahiro_: so make your own backport |
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| 20:29.22 | abrotman | it's not hard .. even chops can do it! |
| 20:29.33 | takahiro_ | yeah im doing it now |
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| 20:29.42 | josip | how come, /usr/sbin/locale-gen is missing after debconf installation? |
| 20:29.50 | josip | or is there a new way of installing locales? |
| 20:29.53 | abrotman | i thought there was an etch backport at one point |
| 20:29.59 | abrotman | josip: dpkg-reconfigure locales ? |
| 20:30.32 | takahiro_ | abrotman: given the popularity of php, you would think there is one |
| 20:30.46 | josip | thanks |
| 20:31.07 | abrotman | takahiro_: given the ease of making a backport .. blah blah blah |
| 20:31.21 | takahiro_ | lol |
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| 20:32.29 | chops | abrotman: I is gud Debian uzer |
| 20:32.40 | chops | abrotman: Files bug reportz |
| 20:33.14 | buu | HAHAHHAHA |
| 20:33.25 | Ramla | doesn't afraid of anything |
| 20:33.32 | zxxd | how do i run jar files in linux |
| 20:33.56 | avu | zxxd, same as on any other platform, java -jar foo.jar |
| 20:33.57 | woden1 | how do I make it so that when I plug in my headphones the sound switches from my speakers to my headphones? |
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| 20:34.42 | abrotman | i bet that's an alsa option |
| 20:35.01 | zxxd | avu, in what package is java-jar? |
| 20:35.14 | avu | zxxd, there is no 'java-jar' |
| 20:35.20 | zxxd | ah\ |
| 20:35.21 | zxxd | java |
| 20:35.32 | zxxd | java -jar |
| 20:35.34 | zxxd | in what package? |
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| 20:35.57 | avu | woden1, my soundcard (powerbook) exports a 'headphone detection' switch to the alsa mixer for that |
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| 20:36.14 | avu | zxxd, sun-java6-jre for example. |
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| 20:36.26 | avu | zxxd, use apt-file or http://packages.debian.org to find more |
| 20:36.29 | zxxd | there are several? |
| 20:36.33 | avu | of course. |
| 20:36.42 | zxxd | why? |
| 20:36.53 | avu | because there is more than one implementation of the java VM |
| 20:37.06 | woden1 | avu: a headphone detection switch to alsamixer? I'm not understanding what that means. |
| 20:37.09 | zxxd | java5 ? and the free ver of java? |
| 20:37.15 | zxxd | avu, |
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| 20:37.28 | avu | zxxd, what are you asking? |
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| 20:37.46 | avu | zxxd, surely you don't want me to list you all the java implementations? |
| 20:37.55 | soulchild | Hi all,... how can i download the newest precompiled kernel for debian lenny ? |
| 20:38.03 | avu | woden1, open alsamixer and see if there is a 'headphone detection' switch or something similar |
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| 20:38.53 | zxxd | avu, that many? |
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| 20:39.09 | woden1 | avu: I see Master PCM Front IEC958 Capture Capture Capture Capture Analog L Analog L Digital Digital Digital Input So Input So |
| 20:39.11 | chops | soulchild: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 20:39.13 | zxxd | i thought java is java |
| 20:39.29 | Titi | Hey friends, how can I open a page with .htaccess authorization in the Links browser in command line? Thank you |
| 20:39.44 | avu | zxxd, no it isn't. java is a standard |
| 20:39.47 | benjamindees | soulchild, http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 20:39.59 | soulchild | chops: lenny |
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| 20:40.18 | woden1 | avu: does any of that look like what i need? |
| 20:40.26 | junmin | hello all. i upgrade kernel to 2.6.24-1 using apt-get dist-upgrade, but debian cannot boot up correctly with this version of kernel. do i have to do something else after apt-get dist-upgrade?? thanks |
| 20:40.30 | zxxd | avu, it's a language no? |
| 20:40.35 | avu | woden1, can't you read? |
| 20:40.37 | chops | soulchild: Then 'aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686' (where "-686" may be replaced by your appropriate kernel flavor) should do it |
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| 20:40.47 | avu | zxxd, java is a name both for a language and a platform |
| 20:40.56 | avu | zxxd, we were talking about java, the platform |
| 20:41.01 | soulchild | chops: is there no never kernel ? |
| 20:41.15 | soulchild | *w |
| 20:41.20 | avu | soulchild, how much newer could it get? |
| 20:41.26 | woden1 | avu: yes I can read. But I'm not familiar with alsamixer and I don't know exactly what you mean by a "switch"... |
| 20:41.33 | SEcki | is it possible to give less (or more) a maximum nuber of lines that it should read? |
| 20:41.36 | chops | soulchild: You think aptitude is holding out on you? :-) |
| 20:41.50 | zxxd | avu, like Erlang ? |
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| 20:42.03 | soulchild | avu don't know, it's just, that my webcam does not work with thisone lthough it worked on other distrs. |
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| 20:42.23 | avu | woden1, there are two kinds of settings in alsamixer, the ones where you can adjust a value (like volume for example) and the ones that are, well, switches, that can just be turned off and on |
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| 20:42.32 | soulchild | chops: holding out on you ? sorry, I don'T understand |
| 20:42.33 | chops | soulchild: What does it do incorrectly, exactly? |
| 20:42.34 | avu | zxxd, no, erlang is a language AFAIK |
| 20:42.41 | xand | junmin: what happens when you try to boot it? does the old kernel still work? |
| 20:42.56 | zxxd | zxxd, but it's also a VM |
| 20:42.57 | chops | soulchild: I'm asking if you suspect aptitude of handing you something different from the latest version, just because it doesn't like you |
| 20:43.02 | avu | zxxd, this is offtopic anyway, we're not in #java-beginners |
| 20:43.02 | c0mrade | hi all I'm trying to install mysql server .. and I get this error "E: Failed to fetch http://dotdeb.netmirror.org/dists/etch/mysql-dfsg-5.0/binary-i386/mysql-common_5.0.38-1.dotdeb.1_all.deb: 404 Not Found" any other ways ? |
| 20:43.03 | soulchild | chops: the webcam is not working, i have no /dev/video0 device, |
| 20:43.08 | chops | soulchild: I don't think that that's what's happening |
| 20:43.15 | avu | zxxd, go read up on wikipedia or something |
| 20:43.23 | zxxd | you give up on me |
| 20:43.23 | chops | soulchild: Do you know what driver it uses? Do you have udev installed? |
| 20:43.49 | junmin | xand: yes, the old kernel works good. it looks like that looking for something, the screen full of hex number :( |
| 20:44.00 | xand | er |
| 20:44.14 | soulchild | chops: yes and yes, i alredy tried the gspca modules, but there seems to be a bug in debian |
| 20:44.23 | chops | soulchild: Checked the BTS? |
| 20:44.42 | soulchild | chops: BTS ? |
| 20:44.47 | chops | !tell soulchild about bts |
| 20:44.59 | zxxd | have a good night |
| 20:45.08 | takahiro | bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: No such file or directory |
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| 20:45.21 | takahiro | uh-oh... building a new package has failed |
| 20:45.25 | soulchild | chops: yes, but I couldn't find a solution |
| 20:45.36 | chops | soulchild: You could file a new bug, if there isn't one there already |
| 20:45.56 | soulchild | chops: there is one, but somehow nobody seems to have a solution |
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| 20:46.09 | itchi | chops: is this not about the grub bug? |
| 20:46.11 | takahiro | how do i undo my upgrade to sid ? |
| 20:46.12 | chops | soulchild: You could come up with a solution, then :-) |
| 20:46.18 | chops | itchi: webcam |
| 20:46.37 | chops | !downgrade |
| 20:46.38 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 20:46.50 | takahiro | :( |
| 20:46.59 | chops | soulchild: If the problem is known, but not solved, then there's not much else we can tell you |
| 20:47.00 | soulchild | chops: I ll try my best ;) |
| 20:47.04 | c0mrade | can aynone help me? whatever I try to install I get this error msg "Failed to fetch http://dotdeb.netmirror.org/dists/etch/php5/binary-i386/php5_5.2.1-0.dotdeb.2_all.deb 404 Not Found" ? |
| 20:47.05 | takahiro | in trying to create a new .deb file, i completely destroyed my current system |
| 20:47.21 | takahiro | c0mrade: did you try a different mirror? |
| 20:47.24 | soulchild | chops: ok , thank you anyway |
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| 20:47.58 | chops | c0mrade: Do you have security sources? I wouldn't be surprised if php5 had a security update |
| 20:48.02 | c0mrade | I was using app-get .. or aptitude how can I change mirror ? |
| 20:48.12 | itchi | chops: I'm just guessing, but i have hold grub on my last update. #488193 update-grub fails |
| 20:48.14 | c0mrade | I have bare OS, with nothing on it :) |
| 20:48.43 | chops | c0mrade: Can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 20:48.48 | c0mrade | sure |
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| 20:50.06 | c0mrade | http://pastebin.com/m728bf29d |
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| 20:50.48 | takahiro | how do i install apt-get on my system? |
| 20:50.59 | takahiro | i obviously can't do: apt-get install apt-get |
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| 20:51.31 | takahiro | and when i tried to do dpkg -i aptitude_0.4.4-4_i386.deb, i got an error saying: dpkg conflicts with aptitude (<< 0.4.7-1) |
| 20:51.35 | chops | takahiro: How exactly did you lose it? |
| 20:51.51 | takahiro | chops: i followed the instructions for building a new .deb package |
| 20:51.55 | itchi | takahiro: The only way to undo you sid upgrade is to reinstall |
| 20:52.08 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know what to expect from running fsck.ext3 on a file system that has a new journal, but which dumpe2fs says has a state of "not clean"? |
| 20:52.11 | chops | c0mrade: Oh, you're using dotdeb. You'll have to ask the dotdeb people for help, then. |
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| 20:52.28 | takahiro | chops: i changed my /etc/apt/sources.list to a sid line, i did apt-get build-essential, and after that, my system is completely broken |
| 20:52.35 | c0m- | d |
| 20:52.44 | chops | takahiro: That's not what it told you to do |
| 20:52.52 | takahiro | i just changed 'etch' to 'sid' in the /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:53.03 | itchi | takahiro: Did you only add the src line ? |
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| 20:53.06 | chops | takahiro: Right, you were supposed to add a sid deb-src line |
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| 20:53.13 | takahiro | oh |
| 20:53.14 | c0mrade | chops: is there a help channel here for "dotdeb" .. I dunno the difference anyway |
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| 20:53.16 | takahiro | oops |
| 20:53.26 | takahiro | simple human error, how can i fix it? |
| 20:53.42 | itchi | takahiro: Reinstall :-p |
| 20:53.50 | chops | c0mrade: Talk to the people who set up your computer, then, and find out where they got their install media. Your system is not a Debian system as currently configured. |
| 20:54.01 | takahiro | :( |
| 20:54.10 | takahiro | one typo and my whole system is dead ? |
| 20:54.11 | c0mrade | chops: tnx |
| 20:54.24 | cusco | takahiro: what did you do? |
| 20:54.33 | itchi | takahiro: One typo + user errno = could be fatal |
| 20:54.35 | takahiro | there's gotta be a better way to maintain the /etc/apt/sources.list than by hand |
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| 20:54.53 | takahiro | cusco: i made a typo in /etc/apt/sources.list and when i updated, it killed apt-get and the whole system actually |
| 20:55.08 | chops | cusco: He partially updated an etch system to sid |
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| 20:55.39 | takahiro | its going to take me forever to reinstall |
| 20:55.39 | cusco | typo... lol |
| 20:55.42 | itchi | takahiro: The only way to better way ... and this is for all actions as root user is to pay 3 times attention before doing/proceeding |
| 20:55.56 | takahiro | can i just force an install of apt-get? |
| 20:56.10 | And1` | Hi everyone. Where can I get a rxvt-unicode package version 9.05 for debian etch? |
| 20:56.14 | cusco | takahiro: what error have you got now with apt-get? |
| 20:56.19 | chops | !tell And1` about ssb |
| 20:56.28 | takahiro | bash: /usr/bin/apt-get: No such file or directory |
| 20:56.29 | xand | takahiro: if you did apt-get upgrade after changing that file you've probably broken a load of other stuff |
| 20:56.29 | itchi | takahiro: Check the force option. But you will leave with a sid (unstable) install |
| 20:56.34 | Nyle | itchi, ! |
| 20:56.35 | infinitycircuit | takahiro: what is the typo you made in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 20:56.42 | itchi | Nyle, ! |
| 20:56.45 | takahiro | infinitycircuit: i put deb rather than deb-src |
| 20:56.52 | Nyle | itchi, hows it going man |
| 20:57.03 | itchi | Nyle: baaeee, i moved from house :-p |
| 20:57.07 | Nyle | itchi, got yer self another little critter yet? |
| 20:57.07 | infinitycircuit | takahiro: if you still have dpkg it should be fixable |
| 20:57.13 | chops | xand: He didn't upgrade, just apt-get install build-essential |
| 20:57.19 | itchi | Nyle: planned in december |
| 20:57.23 | Nyle | ahh |
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| 20:57.29 | takahiro | yeah, i did not run apt-get update |
| 20:57.39 | chops | takahiro: ? |
| 20:57.41 | takahiro | i mean upgrade |
| 20:57.49 | takahiro | (i make a lot of typos) |
| 20:57.49 | Nyle | itchi, you are in sweden right? |
| 20:57.50 | infinitycircuit | do you have dpkg? |
| 20:57.54 | itchi | Nyle: No no |
| 20:57.55 | takahiro | yeah, i got dpkg |
| 20:57.58 | Nyle | itchi, german? |
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| 20:58.03 | itchi | Nyle: Belgian |
| 20:58.04 | chops | takahiro: Learning not to make a lot of typos will ease your Debian experience immensely |
| 20:58.07 | infinitycircuit | ok dpkg -i apt apt-utils...download them form the mirrors |
| 20:58.08 | Nyle | oh cool |
| 20:58.12 | chops | takahiro: At least as root :-) |
| 20:58.23 | takahiro | ok |
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| 20:58.45 | xand | !synaptic |
| 20:58.46 | dpkg | A graphical user interface to add, remove and reinstall packages. It has dependency handling just like apt-get and integrates well with apt-get (and if you are using lenny then it behaves well with aptitude too). It can be found in the package `synaptic` and is not to be confused with the synaptics touchpad driver (ask me about <synaptics>). |
| 20:58.50 | crashanddie | anyone know in which package dh_make would be located ? |
| 20:58.56 | infinitycircuit | crashanddie: dh-make |
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| 20:59.01 | xand | that program may allow you to edit your sources.list, not sure. |
| 20:59.03 | infinitycircuit | !tell crashanddie about apt-file |
| 20:59.10 | crashanddie | infinitycircuit, thanks |
| 20:59.21 | Nyle | crashanddie, /msg dpkg mg |
| 20:59.35 | crashanddie | infinitycircuit, double cheers, that'll help out ! |
| 20:59.43 | And1` | chops: Thanks... |
| 20:59.46 | Nyle | crashanddie, just don't crash ... and die. |
| 20:59.51 | chops | And1`: np |
| 21:00.25 | takahiro | pastebin? |
| 21:00.32 | takahiro | ?binpaste |
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| 21:00.38 | infinitycircuit | !tell takahiro about paste |
| 21:00.58 | takahiro | i got these errors: http://pastebin.com/m11c9e904 |
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| 21:01.47 | infinitycircuit | takahiro: then download and install that stuff |
| 21:01.53 | infinitycircuit | also--what version of dpkg do you have installed? |
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| 21:02.03 | infinitycircuit | since you are downloading the sid versions of apt/aptitude |
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| 21:02.32 | takahiro | rc apt 0.6.46.4-0.1 Advanced front-end for dpkg |
| 21:02.35 | takahiro | ii dpkg 1.14.20 Debian package management system |
| 21:02.49 | infinitycircuit | ok that is sid then |
| 21:02.50 | takahiro | infinitycircuit: i'd rather have the etch versions, but it complains that the version is too old |
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| 21:03.24 | twobitwork | takahiro: you are running sid, but what older versions of aptitude and dpkg? |
| 21:03.31 | infinitycircuit | takahiro: downgrading is impossible |
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| 21:04.13 | twobitwork | !downgrade |
| 21:04.14 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
| 21:04.18 | wd3 | so it is possible to use fluxbox with rox desktop?... how is this? i mean i thought fluxbox draws the windows? http://www.lynucs.org/index.php?screen_id=460461719460484e247c1e&p=screen |
| 21:04.34 | Nyle | rox is a file manager |
| 21:04.36 | Nyle | isn't it |
| 21:04.38 | Nyle | rox filer? |
| 21:04.39 | takahiro | twobitwork: i wasn't running sid until i made a small typo in my /etc/apt/sources.list and did apt-get update && apt-get install build-essential |
| 21:04.46 | lynucs | hm? lynucs? ;) |
| 21:04.49 | Nyle | flux box is the window manager |
| 21:05.03 | infinitycircuit | takahiro: this is why you don't blindly type "yes" :) |
| 21:05.05 | wd3 | Nyle, look at the bottom.. the icons |
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| 21:05.19 | takahiro | twobitwork: now im screwed |
| 21:05.29 | takahiro | i knew something was fishy when creating a new .deb file required me to upgrade my whole box |
| 21:05.43 | takahiro | I typed: "Yes, I am sure!" or something |
| 21:05.45 | infinitycircuit | takahiro: why did you add sid in the first place? |
| 21:05.47 | wd3 | Nyle, rox desktop.. i'm thinking of gnome desktop.. kde desktop.. environment. |
| 21:05.58 | infinitycircuit | lol |
| 21:05.59 | takahiro | infinitycircuit: im trying to build a php 5.2.6 backport .deb file |
| 21:06.11 | infinitycircuit | takahiro: in the future use dget -x path-to-mirror |
| 21:06.15 | twobitwork | takahiro: sounds like its time to revert to backup :) |
| 21:06.18 | wd3 | lynucs, sweet site huh? :) |
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| 21:06.33 | takahiro | yeah see.... this is why i don't create my own .deb files :( |
| 21:06.35 | Nyle | ROX is a desktop environment, like GNOME, KDE and XFCE. |
| 21:06.37 | Nyle | fucking sweet! |
| 21:06.38 | takahiro | i end up destroying my whole box |
| 21:06.40 | Nyle | i did not know this |
| 21:06.43 | Nyle | i will have to check it out |
| 21:06.45 | lynucs | wd3: great :) |
| 21:07.07 | twobitwork | takahiro: or maybe you should just start paying more attention... there's a reason is makes you type out "yes, I am sure!" |
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| 21:07.17 | wd3 | Nyle, so... this person has rox desktop with flux running same time.. |
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| 21:07.31 | takahiro | I thought that was because creating a .deb file was only for advanced users |
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| 21:08.10 | twobitwork | takahiro: the prompt which tells you to type that out says why its making you do that, doesn't it? :) |
| 21:08.12 | takahiro | I was acting more advanced than I really am |
| 21:08.14 | infinitycircuit | it is true that only advanced users can recover such a dead system haha |
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| 21:08.31 | twobitwork | infinitycircuit: that's only because advanced users keep backups :) |
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| 21:08.35 | takahiro | twobitwork: yeah, but if people in #debian suggested it, how can I argue? |
| 21:08.38 | infinitycircuit | twobitwork: true :) |
| 21:08.39 | wd3 | Nyle, maybe it's like having gnome desktop but logging out and into fluxbox.. you'll have gnome apps but fluxbox look. :) i guess. |
| 21:09.03 | twobitwork | takahiro: yeah, nobody in #debian would ever give bad advice...... |
| 21:09.07 | takahiro | yeah |
| 21:09.24 | Nyle | wd3, maybe |
| 21:09.28 | twobitwork | its not like just anybody can walk in here and start telling people to type things |
| 21:09.29 | benjamindees | takahiro, stop trolling and pay attention to what you are told and what you are doing next time. |
| 21:09.37 | Nyle | twobitwork, type /quit |
| 21:09.38 | Nyle | ;) |
| 21:09.39 | infinitycircuit | it's more like we can't predict everything that users will try |
| 21:09.47 | twobitwork | Nyle: lol |
| 21:09.55 | Nyle | twobitwork, type /me thinks Nyle rocks |
| 21:09.58 | Nyle | hahehe |
| 21:10.13 | takahiro | thats true, but why not invent 'undo' |
| 21:10.19 | Nyle | irc undo? |
| 21:10.43 | twobitwork | takahiro: "undo" with package installation is not trivial, and not very practical either |
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| 21:10.49 | takahiro | so it asks, "Would you like to backup your current 'etch' installation before upgrading to 'sid' so it can be recovered (Y/n)?" |
| 21:11.02 | takahiro | y |
| 21:11.03 | infinitycircuit | it asks |
| 21:11.25 | infinitycircuit | "this will remove category essential packages from your system. this may make your system unusable. are you sure you want to continue?" |
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| 21:11.28 | infinitycircuit | or something like that |
| 21:11.44 | twobitwork | takahiro: debian is not idiot proof, and doesn't try to be... it does however try to be type-o proof in most cases, but you blew right past that to the idiot part :) |
| 21:11.56 | infinitycircuit | it does not say "only hit Yes if you are a l33t hacker who wants to make sick debian packages" :) |
| 21:12.06 | takahiro | :( |
| 21:12.12 | Nyle | takahiro, what? |
| 21:12.17 | Nyle | thats insane |
| 21:12.18 | takahiro | oh wellllllll... |
| 21:12.23 | Nyle | completely utterly bogu |
| 21:12.28 | twobitwork | s |
| 21:12.28 | Nyle | !sid faq |
| 21:12.29 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny... |
| 21:12.31 | Nyle | !sid |
| 21:12.32 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 21:12.34 | Nyle | still |
| 21:12.35 | Nyle | in |
| 21:12.37 | Nyle | development |
| 21:12.39 | Nyle | it is not a releae |
| 21:12.43 | takahiro | i never wanted 'sid' |
| 21:12.44 | Nyle | you should not upgrade to it |
| 21:12.47 | takahiro | i accidentally upgraded to it |
| 21:12.51 | enouf | itchi: since when is belgian a country? O_o |
| 21:13.00 | Nyle | enouf, he is belgian |
| 21:13.01 | twobitwork | Nyle: well, in his defense, he did say it as a typo in his sources.list |
| 21:13.02 | Nyle | from belgium |
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| 21:13.12 | Nyle | ok |
| 21:13.12 | enouf | no shit sherlock |
| 21:13.16 | enouf | :-) |
| 21:13.17 | Nyle | enouf, hey |
| 21:13.20 | Nyle | go siddown |
| 21:13.24 | Nyle | somewhere |
| 21:13.26 | Nyle | away from me |
| 21:13.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:13.29 | takahiro | is sidding |
| 21:13.31 | enouf | Nyle: please pronounce--> [14:47:57] <Nyle> enouf, oye |
| 21:13.43 | Nyle | O A |
| 21:13.56 | Nyle | oy |
| 21:13.57 | enouf | oh aye? otay |
| 21:14.01 | enouf | oi? |
| 21:14.02 | Nyle | oi |
| 21:14.10 | Nyle | crackhead... |
| 21:14.12 | enouf | tanktoo |
| 21:14.15 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:14.16 | infinitycircuit | Nyle: and i thought you were speaking spanish |
| 21:14.19 | enouf | :-P |
| 21:15.06 | Nyle | but yeh |
| 21:15.21 | Nyle | thats why it doesn't and wouldn't ever say that , you are upgrading to sid you want to continue, yes no |
| 21:15.27 | Nyle | cuz sid is not a release |
| 21:15.41 | Nyle | !dnuts |
| 21:15.42 | dpkg | hmm... dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade>, or see </msg dpkg sid faq> |
| 21:15.50 | Nyle | !sid upgrade |
| 21:15.50 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
| 21:16.00 | Nyle | word. |
| 21:16.04 | infinitycircuit | lol deez nuts i love dpkg |
| 21:16.16 | Bushmills | takahiro: you suggest to lead root user by the hand? i doubt that qualified linux admin appreciate that nagginess. |
| 21:16.16 | Nyle | !factinfo dnuts |
| 21:16.16 | dpkg | dnuts -- last modified at Thu Feb 15 03:26:31 2007 by stoned!n=stoned@ip72-192-123-56.ok.ok.cox.net; it has been requested 24 times, last by Nyle, 35s ago. |
| 21:16.26 | Nyle | heh |
| 21:16.33 | Nyle | i think i made that factoid |
| 21:16.34 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 21:18.34 | enouf | OT ..haha, Dennis Kucinich just got done reading the 35 Articles of Impeachment of dubbya ... and these RepublicanCritters from Texas and elsewhere are trying to defend W .. lmao |
| 21:19.02 | enouf | Talk about lock-step .. sheesh |
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| 21:20.35 | Lagbolt | enouf, watching cspan? |
| 21:20.41 | enouf | bingo |
| 21:20.52 | Lagbolt | i must tune in ll |
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| 21:21.47 | enouf | well, for now, it's back to the old nonsense .. but it was nice seeing the Impeachment Resolution read aloud .. too bad it should've been done in late 2002 early 2003 |
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| 21:22.41 | enouf | i knew what was coming in early 2002, how come (most) nobody else did? |
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| 21:22.57 | Bushmills | in fact, file systems like nilfs seem to make it possible to easily revert to pre-changes version. i.e. recover from an accidental change to sid |
| 21:24.12 | Bushmills | i might try that on a loop mounted nilfs with a debootstrapped etch -> sid |
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| 21:24.55 | Nyle | Bushmills, nbd in a raid |
| 21:25.06 | Nyle | now that is fun |
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| 21:25.15 | Nyle | over dial up! |
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| 21:25.49 | becki | hi |
| 21:25.59 | Chewy | can anyone here help me with apache2? :X |
| 21:26.10 | Chewy | it was working, now i get 500 intenal error. |
| 21:26.16 | kingsley | If dump2efs reports that an EXT3 journal is "clean", does that mean that no journal entries are pending, and need to be applied to the main EXT3 file system? |
| 21:26.42 | enouf | what? |
| 21:27.06 | cusco | Chewy: check logs /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 21:27.15 | enouf | Filesystem state: clean |
| 21:27.18 | cusco | last lines should tell you what you need to know |
| 21:27.24 | Bushmills | kingsley: not just that. it also means the fs has been properly unmounted before system shutdown |
| 21:27.27 | enouf | Filesystem features: has_journal filetype needs_recovery sparse_super |
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| 21:28.20 | enouf | Errors behavior: Continue |
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| 21:28.40 | Bushmills | Nyle: sorry, no idea how nilfs behaves in a raid, or wether it is usable at all in such a setup |
| 21:29.44 | kingsley | Bushmills: Thanks. Yes, I was aware that "clean" is synonymous with being properly unmounted. However, and to be precise, is my understanding correct that a "clean" journal also means that no journal entries are pending to be applied to the main EXT3 file system? |
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| 21:31.22 | ArthurArchnix | Lenny got firefox 3 today. I thought it might be the topic, then I saw the topic is still openssl, as if anyone who uses that is unaware. Then I saw the 4.0r3 announcement and realised the topic is simply never updated. :( |
| 21:32.15 | slaytanic | There's something newer than 4.0r3? |
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| 21:32.36 | ArthurArchnix | I don't think so. But has nothing interesting happened since then? |
| 21:32.49 | slaytanic | There was that openssl vulnerability. |
| 21:32.53 | slaytanic | Other than that, I guess not. |
| 21:32.54 | ArthurArchnix | touche |
| 21:33.02 | Bushmills | ArthurArchnix: i haven't seen a lot of "when will firefox3 be in lenny" questions recently, there were many more of those 2 or 3 weeks back. it appears that the firefox3 excitement has already faded. |
| 21:33.04 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: testing is not supported here, and gets the updates automatically anyway |
| 21:34.05 | itchi | ArthurArchnix: Are you sure that iceweasel 3 is already in? Don't got it today |
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| 21:34.31 | ArthurArchnix | I tried an hour ago and the answer was no. But I'm on a finnish server so it musta taken a while to sync up. |
| 21:34.36 | ArthurArchnix | Now i's good. |
| 21:36.35 | Bushmills | s/firefox/iceweasel/ |
| 21:37.15 | ArthurArchnix | oops... yeah. Didn't even catch that. |
| 21:37.19 | ArthurArchnix | Thanks |
| 21:37.25 | ArthurArchnix | old habit |
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| 21:38.42 | Bushmills | plasmabadger |
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| 21:40.13 | ArthurArchnix | That's pretty cool. You should redistribute it under that name. RedHotRinocerous |
| 21:40.43 | ArthurArchnix | I'm trying to think of something more annoying to type than weasel. I think whoever came up with the name is on a dvorak keyboard. |
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| 21:42.08 | Bushmills | types easily. little dance with fingers on the left hand, can be entered efficiently |
| 21:42.22 | Nyle | especially if you're a guitarist |
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| 21:42.30 | Nyle | then your fingers really flow and you can type pretty fast |
| 21:43.03 | Nyle | jelly-home, did you say testing is not supported here? |
| 21:43.13 | Nyle | jelly-home, and why may I ask? |
| 21:43.14 | Bushmills | could be a tiny tad more rhythmic, as weaswel |
| 21:43.26 | jelly-home | Nyle: only stable is. |
| 21:43.30 | ArthurArchnix | I thought he said teasing. |
| 21:43.30 | Nyle | wrong |
| 21:43.38 | Nyle | stable AND testing are supported here |
| 21:43.48 | jelly-home | not by me! |
| 21:43.50 | Nyle | sid is supported for users who ask sidly questions |
| 21:44.02 | Nyle | jelly-home, please do not spread wrong information |
| 21:44.13 | Nyle | knowingly or uknowingly |
| 21:44.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:44.24 | jelly-home | sure. got a reference_ |
| 21:44.27 | jelly-home | ? |
| 21:44.31 | Nyle | yes |
| 21:44.36 | Nyle | don told me |
| 21:44.40 | Nyle | as well as peters and stew |
| 21:44.41 | Lagbolt | anything people in here are willing to answer questions about would be supported lol |
| 21:45.08 | Lagbolt | maybe not officially but i dont discriminate |
| 21:45.12 | Nyle | because I one time asked specifically so i could be clear as to what is supported here |
| 21:45.24 | Nyle | and i was told stable and testing |
| 21:45.25 | jelly-home | Lagbolt: the topic and the ops do discriminate |
| 21:45.25 | Bushmills | yes. even etch is not supported if nobody answers |
| 21:45.31 | ArthurArchnix | I prefer Jelly's logic. Ahem. Apache is not supported here. I don't know anything about it. |
| 21:45.58 | Lagbolt | jelly-home, thats fine but if someone has a legitimate question there are usually people in here willing to help, you might have to move to offtopic or somewhere but never hurts to ask |
| 21:45.58 | Nyle | msg dpkg etch->lenny |
| 21:46.00 | Nyle | in the tpic |
| 21:46.03 | Nyle | so there |
| 21:46.42 | Bushmills | probably individual policy, not channel policy. |
| 21:46.58 | Nyle | thats fine |
| 21:46.58 | Nyle | ;) |
| 21:47.04 | ArthurArchnix | I tried going to offtopic for my interesting thoughts on firefox..err, plasmakitty, but it's pretty depressing in there. |
| 21:47.04 | Bushmills | you'll not get kicked for answering lenny questions |
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| 21:47.11 | Nyle | yeh it is |
| 21:47.35 | Nyle | people with sticks up their assholes |
| 21:47.50 | Nyle | jammed straight up |
| 21:47.54 | ArthurArchnix | |quit #off-topic |
| 21:47.55 | Nyle | and they enjoy it |
| 21:48.11 | Nyle | and they take pride in it |
| 21:48.41 | Nyle | lenny |
| 21:48.42 | Nyle | release time coming soon |
| 21:48.46 | Nyle | yay |
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| 21:49.19 | Lagbolt | ArthurArchnix, i agree . . .sometimes i think the chan is a lil strict on offtopic stuff. but i dont get to make the rules |
| 21:49.27 | Bushmills | a good date would be nov 11 |
| 21:49.28 | Lagbolt | Nyle, do they have a date posted? |
| 21:49.58 | Bushmills | looks good: 11.11.11 |
| 21:50.12 | Bushmills | or 11.11.2011 |
| 21:50.13 | Nyle | dude |
| 21:50.16 | Nyle | no |
| 21:50.29 | ArthurArchnix | I'm considering switching my sources from lenny to testing. I mean, I've come from Ubuntu and this has been rock solid compared to the brown town. But is that because it's nearing the end of its development? I'm a bit torn. On the one hand, everything works. So why continue to update. On the other hand, if it's going to be this stable, why not keep pulling in the incremental improvements. |
| 21:50.33 | Nyle | they don't |
| 21:50.38 | Nyle | estimated time end of 2008 |
| 21:51.32 | Bushmills | ArthurArchnix: actually, people were remarking that lenny is more unreliable now than it was a few months back |
| 21:51.44 | jelly-home | ArthurArchnix: I'd expect sharp falls in release-critical bugs if a freeze was in effect. |
| 21:51.48 | ArthurArchnix | Really? Wow. A matter of persepctive I guess. |
| 21:51.52 | Lagbolt | ArthurArchnix, i like to relax on upgrades around and just after a release. i feel it gets a lil less stable then |
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| 21:51.56 | jelly-home | !rc bugs |
| 21:51.57 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 21:52.10 | Nyle | !exp4bugs |
| 21:52.10 | dpkg | i heard exp4bugs is "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
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| 21:52.43 | Lagbolt | ArthurArchnix, it is def perspective and what you use. . . if you run a desktop or apps with tons of dependencies you might find more instability than you would if you were just running fluxbox with xterms lol |
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| 21:54.52 | Nyle | for you might want use to ubuntu |
| 21:54.53 | Nyle | then |
| 21:54.57 | Nyle | what? |
| 21:55.02 | Nyle | no |
| 21:55.10 | Nyle | then you might want to use ubuntu (for desktop stuff) |
| 21:55.22 | jelly-home | dpkg, tell Nyle about the fuckin' enter key |
| 21:55.24 | ArthurArchnix | Is Nyle debating himself? |
| 21:55.32 | ArthurArchnix | And losing? |
| 21:55.33 | Lagbolt | !enter |
| 21:55.33 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 21:55.34 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 21:55.36 | Nyle | no i fucked up my grammar |
| 21:55.40 | Nyle | ey :( |
| 21:55.57 | Lagbolt | Nyle, i say keep hitting enter! dont conform! |
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| 21:56.27 | Nyle | why do you keep hitting enter? |
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| 21:56.36 | nbiz | Hi all. I've got a raid-1 device, /dev/md3 that's "disappeared". md1 and md2 are fine (and use the same disks) but even the device file for /dev/md2 is gone, and mdadm can't scan for it. Any clues how to get it back, without losing the data.. |
| 21:57.02 | nbiz | oops: device file for /dev/md3 is gone.. |
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| 21:58.53 | magyar | how do i mark a message as new in mutt |
| 21:58.55 | magyar | ? |
| 21:59.31 | th0ger | magyar: N |
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| 22:00.23 | magyar | th0ger what about "O" or old? |
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| 22:02.08 | th0ger | magyar: Uppercase N toggles the new flag. If its not new, its old :) |
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| 22:03.17 | xplicit | exit |
| 22:03.30 | magyar | k thanks, not sure what "O" beside a message means |
| 22:03.48 | ArthurArchnix | money |
| 22:03.52 | ArthurArchnix | damn |
| 22:03.52 | th0ger | magyar: try '?' |
| 22:04.33 | magyar | k |
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| 22:06.07 | scatterp | hi i am trying to get my sound working i can cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp and hear stuff i tryed to install alsa 1.0.17rc2 but alsa-utils-1.0.17rc2 will not ./configure it needs libasound headers version >= 1.0.16 and libasound seems to need a newer version (libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb) which conflicts with my existing version what can i do ? |
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| 22:07.05 | theRealBall | hi |
| 22:07.11 | adama | is there a way to see the NAT translation table? |
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| 22:07.13 | theRealBall | the ball is following you |
| 22:07.24 | |inuxmath | scatterp, why do you have to build it on your own? |
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| 22:07.51 | th0ger | scatterp: linkslice yes why do you do that? |
| 22:08.12 | scatterp | |inuxmath, / th0ger well theres not a version on backports that works for my sound card |
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| 22:08.39 | pocketprotector | im looking for a list of the available "append" options for the PXE configuration file. Anybody have a link up their sleeve? |
| 22:08.46 | |inuxmath | scatterp, did alsaconf tell you that? |
| 22:08.59 | scatterp | |inuxmath, no i was configureing a tarball |
| 22:09.15 | rakim | hy! i want to build a xen guest kernel for etch amd64. what kernel sources should i use? |
| 22:09.24 | scatterp | |inuxmath, on google it told me thats what i needed to do and i confirmed here that i should do it with someone |
| 22:09.42 | scatterp | im runing etch |
| 22:10.03 | linkslice | th0ger, ? |
| 22:10.11 | |inuxmath | scatterp, i mean how do you know there is no support for your sound card unless alsaconf tells you that? |
| 22:10.30 | th0ger | linkslice: sorry wrong number |
| 22:10.35 | linkslice | ah lol |
| 22:10.38 | enouf | 42 |
| 22:11.07 | scatterp | |inuxmath, because i tryed to install it via the instructions from dpkg |
| 22:11.21 | scatterp | |inuxmath, and it didnt work even after following the alsa checklist |
| 22:11.31 | scatterp | |inuxmath, so i had to get newer alsa drivers |
| 22:11.56 | |inuxmath | scatterp, and what's the problem? you said you can hear stuff? |
| 22:12.11 | scatterp | yeah if i do cat /dev/urandom /dev/dsp |
| 22:12.17 | scatterp | but i dont have alsa utils |
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| 22:12.21 | enouf | scatterp: see /msg dpkg etch->testing you're going on weeks now dealing with that snd-hda-intel crap |
| 22:12.35 | scatterp | i cant move volume on my desktop or hear anything |
| 22:12.49 | scatterp | enouf, yeah but i can hear now ill do that if you really think i should |
| 22:13.05 | scatterp | enouf, i tested ubuntu that had sound (not sure if thats relevent) |
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| 22:13.10 | Nyle | enouf, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=10 |
| 22:13.21 | enouf | scatterp: well, i can't be held responsible for breakage :-) |
| 22:13.45 | scatterp | enouf, im just scared i will lose everything i did and be back to 0 again and then have more weeks to make it work |
| 22:14.08 | MacGyverNL | Not really Debian-specific, but it's in Debian: Can someone explain to me the difference between X11VNC and the "Normal" VNC server, and whether I could use *any* VNC server to remote VNC (-connect to a viewer, thus enabling remote support to an existing X11 session) or do I really need X11VNC for that? |
| 22:14.10 | enouf | scatterp: it's your call - i can't make it for you - if i new specifically how to fix yours i would - maybe backport the alsa pkgs? and forget compling? |
| 22:14.40 | enouf | scatterp: it's a possiblity, but i can' |
| 22:14.52 | enouf | scatterp: it's a possiblity, but i can't say either way ... |
| 22:15.01 | scatterp | enouf, i guess i should wait 6 days till my torrent finishs downloading and then try it |
| 22:15.09 | scatterp | im downloading some stuff |
| 22:15.37 | scatterp | and i dont want it to start doing what it does in windows which is say the torrents "locked" i guess it locks it to ktorrent only :( |
| 22:15.55 | enouf | Nyle: you pull that out of your ass? |
| 22:15.56 | |inuxmath | scatterp, you know G8 leaders were about to ban p2p, torrents and stuff :p |
| 22:16.17 | Nyle | yeh... |
| 22:16.22 | maybeway36 | MacGyverNL: regular VNC servers make a new session with a new login screen. x11vnc gives you the same thing as your actual computer monitor. |
| 22:16.33 | scatterp | |inuxmath, i dont know how they think they would do that |
| 22:16.43 | MacGyverNL | Ah, so yes, for remote assistance I really need X11VNC. |
| 22:16.45 | MacGyverNL | Thanks :) |
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| 22:17.10 | scatterp | |inuxmath, i doubt they even understand what torrents are fully |
| 22:17.13 | enouf | scatterp: see, i'm not certain if you need a) newer alsa, b) newer kernel , or c) newer both |
| 22:17.35 | scatterp | enouf no its a newer alsa because its working i hear sound when i do /dev/urandom /dev/dsp |
| 22:17.46 | |inuxmath | scatterp, they were going to "shift" the responsobility for using torrents to ISPs and hosters from customers :) |
| 22:17.50 | scatterp | enouf, all my issue is that the alsa utils are not compileing |
| 22:17.57 | MacGyverNL | maybeway36: You wouldn't also happen to know a quick way to tell it to use less bandwidth when using the -connect option, would you? :P |
| 22:18.02 | enouf | why not? |
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| 22:18.16 | maybeway36 | MacGyverNL: not really :P |
| 22:18.17 | scatterp | |inuxmath, well making it the ISPs responsibility doesnt effect legit downloads |
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| 22:18.27 | MacGyverNL | Ah well, continuing reading the docs then. |
| 22:18.41 | scatterp | enouf, says it needs libsound2 which says it needs to update libc6 which says it conflicts with existing version |
| 22:18.49 | petemc | MacGyverNL: nx uses less bandwidth |
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| 22:18.58 | unsolo | hi |
| 22:19.01 | unsolo | i have a question on mail |
| 22:19.12 | maybeway36 | is there a way to use NX to share the physical session like x11vnc? |
| 22:19.32 | scatterp | |inuxmath, torrents will just become ssl random ports i would image |
| 22:19.41 | petemc | you can suspend and resume sessions with nx, not sure about existing sessions |
| 22:19.42 | unsolo | how do i send a mail to a specific server |
| 22:19.45 | enouf | scatterp: (libc6_2.7-10_i386.deb) is the testing version, and basically once installed you're running testing - so if that is required to get sound working you should just upgrade to testing |
| 22:19.46 | unsolo | ala sendmail |
| 22:20.03 | scatterp | ah hmm |
| 22:20.14 | scatterp | enouf, i got to wait for my download first then i guess :( |
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| 22:20.35 | MacGyverNL | petemc: Is nx easy to set up and possible to use as a remote assistance tool without having to guide user needing assistance through x number of steps first? |
| 22:20.49 | petemc | MacGyverNL: probably not |
| 22:21.02 | MacGyverNL | Then it's out for this purpose, unfortunately. |
| 22:21.34 | scatterp | enouf, no alternative "alsa utils" tool ? |
| 22:21.48 | enouf | scatterp: checked backports.org? |
| 22:21.51 | scatterp | yeah |
| 22:21.52 | scatterp | :( |
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| 22:22.04 | scatterp | ill just wait i gues |
| 22:22.30 | scatterp | thanks for trying enouf |
| 22:22.35 | petemc | MacGyverNL: gnome has a remote desktop function, and i think kde has a krfb package that exports running desktop |
| 22:22.35 | enouf | scatterp: you might be able to compile it yourself as a backport, but i guess not, with what you say about it needing libc6 2.7-10 version |
| 22:22.50 | dclarke | question : I managed to build linux-2.6.24.4 vmlinux and I have a nifty file called System.map. Now what do I do with them? This is PowerPC based by the way and I have OpenFirmware .. so no need for yaboot .. I hope |
| 22:23.15 | scatterp | enouf, is there no way to "manage" a upgrade of libc6 via synaptic ? |
| 22:23.18 | enouf | scatterp: remember that site? rather than alsa .17 versions, it said use .16 which were what was new then when it was written |
| 22:23.28 | scatterp | yeah |
| 22:23.37 | scatterp | 16 had the gcc bug |
| 22:23.39 | enouf | scatterp: so instead of 1.0.17rc2 try 1 |
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| 22:23.46 | scatterp | rc1 ? |
| 22:23.48 | enouf | scatterp: so instead of 1.0.17rc2 try 1.0.16 again |
| 22:23.57 | enouf | oh |
| 22:24.08 | enouf | fuck that then .. gcc bug? |
| 22:24.24 | scatterp | yeah when i tryed to make it we determined that gcc was buged some how |
| 22:24.29 | Nyle | enouf, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=4 |
| 22:25.06 | scatterp | i would remake it to check the error but someone had me delete it im not sure if it was you i was working with |
| 22:25.15 | MacGyverNL | petemc: The gnome remote desktop function is a listening server. The entire point of this architecture (where the server connects to the viewer) is that the only setting up has to be done by me. |
| 22:25.30 | MacGyverNL | The user can just click and connect through his / her NAT / firewall to me. |
| 22:25.41 | enouf | Nyle: twokitsonecup? |
| 22:25.52 | enouf | Nyle: er 2kitsonecup? |
| 22:26.13 | MacGyverNL | I mean, I wish it was as easy as you say. |
| 22:26.28 | petemc | your requirements are quite strict |
| 22:26.35 | MacGyverNL | Yes, they are. |
| 22:27.07 | petemc | good luck |
| 22:27.18 | enouf | dclarke: generally system.map goes in /boot |
| 22:27.34 | dclarke | enouf : thank you |
| 22:27.43 | dclarke | enouf : vmlinux too ? |
| 22:27.47 | MacGyverNL | Sorry, but the normal client-server paradigm doesn't work for this kind of thing. Thanks for sharing your thoughts though. |
| 22:27.59 | enouf | dclarke: not sure, but IIRC, only some SPARCs needed vmlinux over bZimage |
| 22:28.03 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, vnc listening server.. |
| 22:28.17 | enouf | dclarke: erm, i can't sya for sure about ppc, but you want the bzimage, not vmlinux |
| 22:28.41 | enouf | dclarke: and while you're at it, the config |
| 22:28.41 | dclarke | enouf: let me lok around .. I don't see that here |
| 22:28.50 | enouf | dclarke: did you use make-kpkg? |
| 22:28.56 | dclarke | enouf: I have vmlinux.strip and vmlinux.strip.gz |
| 22:29.00 | enouf | dclarke: and checkout #debianppc |
| 22:29.07 | enouf | dclarke: no bzimage? |
| 22:29.08 | MacGyverNL | scatterp: VNC listening server also requires the user in need of assistance to set up NAT traversal. |
| 22:29.21 | MacGyverNL | Have you ever tried to guide an unexperienced user through port forwarding? |
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| 22:29.28 | enouf | dclarke: look in /arch/ARCH/boot/ |
| 22:29.30 | dclarke | searches |
| 22:29.32 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, no it dont i use it for that very reason.. |
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| 22:29.48 | dclarke | enouf : find . -type f | grep -i bzimage say no |
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| 22:30.23 | enouf | dclarke: bzImage |
| 22:30.25 | MacGyverNL | The only thing I've actually had a 95% success rate with is the UltraVNC singleclick / PCHelpware / X11VNC -connect <viewer> combined with listening viewer type of system. |
| 22:30.28 | enouf | use -iname |
| 22:30.30 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, all they do is run the exe click next a few times type a password right click the icon in the bottom corner and add new client (your ip) .... (could be macroed if you like) |
| 22:30.30 | enouf | dclarke: |
| 22:30.37 | dclarke | enouf : ls arch/ppc/boot says common images include ld.script lib Makefile of1275 simple utils |
| 22:30.41 | enouf | oh crap |
| 22:31.00 | enouf | dclarke: did you use make-kpkg? |
| 22:31.05 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, gotomypc thing works well but you would probebly need to wine it |
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| 22:31.09 | dclarke | let me check my log |
| 22:31.12 | dclarke | it was days ago |
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| 22:31.17 | enouf | you would know! |
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| 22:32.41 | Nyle | yes |
| 22:32.43 | enouf | you might have to use a zimage instead? oh crap, i get all mixed up with these weird arches |
| 22:32.46 | Nyle | enouf, cute huh |
| 22:32.51 | enouf | Nyle: indeed |
| 22:32.57 | MacGyverNL | scatterp: Unfortunately, anything that means they'll have to log in to their router (But I don't know my IP! What's my password?!), find port forwarding (What's a port?) and correctly set it up (Oh, you said 5500?) is a no-go. |
| 22:33.03 | dclarke | enouf : no .. I just ran plain make |
| 22:33.06 | Nyle | enouf, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=7 |
| 22:33.31 | MacGyverNL | Personally, I just think those people don't deserve to use a computer in the first place, but well, who am I to argue. |
| 22:33.34 | enouf | dclarke: well, use make-kpkg ;-) .. or find out where your kernel is using "file filename" |
| 22:33.36 | dclarke | enouf : the build date was 2008-03-24 |
| 22:34.05 | dclarke | enouf : the kernel is in /boot |
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| 22:34.15 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, use a macro |
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| 22:34.28 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, or use a normal windows trojan |
| 22:34.34 | dclarke | enouf : but there is no System.map thing and it isn't compressed |
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| 22:34.42 | enouf | dclarke: but if you do find it, you generally want the .config + System.map + vmlinuz + (optional) initrd.img in /boot |
| 22:34.45 | dclarke | enouf : not stripped either |
| 22:34.55 | enouf | what kernel |
| 22:35.03 | dclarke | enouf : excellent .. thank you .. let me locate all that stuff |
| 22:35.04 | enouf | what's it called? |
| 22:35.17 | enouf | how do you know it's actually a kernel? |
| 22:35.18 | dclarke | enouf : /boot/kernel_efika |
| 22:35.31 | dclarke | enouf : the OF firmware boots it |
| 22:35.34 | enouf | dclarke: well, you ran make install? |
| 22:35.34 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, there are conect back trojan style exe versions of vnc you run and they connect |
| 22:35.44 | MacGyverNL | It's for supporting linux users, scatterp. Yes, there are in fact linux users who can't fix their router. |
| 22:35.45 | enouf | dclarke: i dunno about open firmware |
| 22:35.45 | dclarke | enouf : no .. I didn't |
| 22:35.54 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, oh hmm |
| 22:36.01 | dclarke | enouf : the idea of make install seems hellish scary |
| 22:36.02 | enouf | dclarke: then how do you know that's the kernel you made? |
| 22:36.02 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, well err thats just sad |
| 22:36.03 | MacGyverNL | For Windows I've already got this type of thing running ;) |
| 22:36.19 | dclarke | enouf : what do you mean ? |
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| 22:36.31 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, how about using kaiten.c from there you have a command line on irc and you can execute what you like... |
| 22:36.32 | enouf | dclarke: the install is easy if everything compiles fine - i mean, you asked about vmlinux originally |
| 22:36.34 | enouf | why? |
| 22:36.42 | enouf | if you already have your kernel |
| 22:36.55 | MacGyverNL | X11VNC works, it's just slow. Guess I'm going to have to wade through a few hundred pages of manual to improve on that. |
| 22:36.57 | dclarke | enouf : http://rafb.net/p/YchvfM80.html |
| 22:36.58 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, you can set up a few binarys for common senarios |
| 22:37.08 | dclarke | enouf : one sec .. please don't run away |
| 22:37.29 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, actualy im sure you could connect to your self using that or the router its self |
| 22:37.42 | scatterp | MacGyverNL, using curl it would be cli but its possible |
| 22:37.47 | Jacob_H | As someone who almost never makes bug-reports, could I ask for advice: claws-mail has just been updated in testing from 3.4 to 3.5; this has broken all the plugin packages (as they need to be recompiled against 3.5). Is this sort of thing worth reporting as a bug? |
| 22:37.59 | enouf | dclarke: on i386 we get a arch/i386/vmlinux.bin and a /arch/i386/boot/bzImage from running a make-kpkg |
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| 22:41.12 | enouf | dclarke: if your Open firmware boots the kernel you made or think you made then what are you worried about? Just co over System.map in case, which is for kernel symbol linking of modules and stuff http://dirac.org/linux/system.map/ |
| 22:41.25 | enouf | s/Just co/Just cp |
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| 22:42.50 | scatterp | enouf can i upgrade to testing with out a reboot ? |
| 22:43.00 | scatterp | enouf, can i also downgrade if it dont work out ? |
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| 22:43.34 | enouf | scatterp: no and no |
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| 22:43.57 | enouf | scatterp: 1st though is assuming a dist-upgrade to lenny |
| 22:43.57 | scatterp | ok |
| 22:44.28 | scatterp | enouf, theres no lenny live cd right ? |
| 22:44.30 | dclarke | returns |
| 22:44.42 | enouf | scatterp: if there were, you wouldn't want it, but no |
| 22:44.42 | dclarke | enouf : sorry for that ... a puddle was forming |
| 22:44.47 | enouf | not that i know of ;-) |
| 22:44.52 | scatterp | enouf, can i install to usb pen ? |
| 22:44.57 | enouf | dclarke: heh |
| 22:45.03 | dclarke | enouf : now then ... http://rafb.net/p/YchvfM80.html |
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| 22:45.40 | dclarke | enouf : sorry .. the build date on this was May 9th |
| 22:45.40 | enouf | dclarke: i saw that |
| 22:45.49 | enouf | dclarke: that doesn't matter |
| 22:45.59 | enouf | dclarke: did you ask where i suggested? |
| 22:45.59 | dclarke | enouf : well that affects my memory |
| 22:46.03 | enouf | heh |
| 22:46.24 | dclarke | enouf : what do you mean "did you ask where i suggested?" |
| 22:46.24 | enouf | dclarke: did you even see what i said? scroll up |
| 22:46.30 | dclarke | oh .. okay |
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| 22:47.36 | DeltaS4 | how do I run xorgconfig on lenny? |
| 22:47.44 | DeltaS4 | X is not starting |
| 22:47.58 | DeltaS4 | I have to define the graphics' driver |
| 22:48.19 | dondelelcaro | DeltaS4: you shouldn't need to define it, and xorgconfig is pretty much deprecated. |
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| 22:48.39 | dondelelcaro | DeltaS4: if it's not starting, and you're using the default xorg.conf, then generally that means that the graphics drivers don't support it. In theory, it should have fallen back to vesa. |
| 22:48.43 | DeltaS4 | but I get no screens found |
| 22:48.50 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, is testing supported here? |
| 22:48.54 | dondelelcaro | DeltaS4: that's not the actual error message |
| 22:48.57 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it can be |
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| 22:49.16 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, I just wanted to clear it up as jelly-home informed me earlier that it isn't supported |
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| 22:49.20 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: there's really no other place that talks about it, but no one is obligated to support it |
| 22:49.21 | dclarke | enouf : that link you posted is fantastic |
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| 22:49.30 | dclarke | enouf : geez .. I never knew |
| 22:49.32 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, I understand |
| 22:49.46 | enouf | dclarke: me neither :-P |
| 22:49.47 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: I personally will answer non-basic questions about testing |
| 22:49.54 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: what other people will answer is up to them |
| 22:50.03 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, of course. Thanks |
| 22:50.05 | enouf | dclarke: before i found that url, some time back ;-) |
| 22:50.22 | enouf | Nyle: yeah, me too |
| 22:50.25 | dondelelcaro | !tell DeltaS4 -about no screens found |
| 22:50.33 | dclarke | enouf : stuff like that should be framed |
| 22:50.38 | Nyle | you too what? |
| 22:50.40 | enouf | Nyle: but i'm a nobody :-p |
| 22:50.51 | Nyle | scratches head |
| 22:50.52 | PinkFreud | heya folks. I've compiled the drbd8 module from backports. It installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/kernel/extra. Unfortunately, modprobe does *not* look in extra/ for modules, which leaves me with the somewhat awkward situation of having a module installed that cannot be found. |
| 22:51.00 | enouf | dclarke: well now .. i can think of better things to frame ;-) |
| 22:51.07 | dclarke | enouf: okay .. I'm going to toss caution to the wind .. and copy a pile of crud into /boot |
| 22:51.27 | Nyle | !confuse me |
| 22:51.28 | dpkg | Yes, where was their pineapple yesterday, nyle? shirts of the dictatorship of tibet with extra cream |
| 22:51.28 | PinkFreud | Any ideas on A. Why the package installs the module to extra/ and B. why modprobe refuses to check it for new modules? |
| 22:51.30 | enouf | Nyle: i'll support what i can, i generally stay away from the !sns users though |
| 22:51.31 | n3kl | How can I tell what bit encryption has been used on a luks device? |
| 22:51.36 | Nyle | !sns |
| 22:51.36 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 22:51.42 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:51.43 | Nyle | heh |
| 22:51.52 | enouf | ;-) |
| 22:51.53 | dclarke | enouf : vmlinux.o vmlinux System.map vmlinux.strip.gz and vmlinux.strip |
| 22:52.01 | enouf | whoa |
| 22:52.16 | enouf | what? no need |
| 22:52.23 | enouf | 1 file |
| 22:52.30 | ArthurArchnix | !ideas |
| 22:52.31 | dpkg | [ideas] I was thinking of a plan to dye one's whiskers green, and always use so large a fan that they could not be seen. |
| 22:52.34 | MacGyverNL | Speaking of !sns, the Sun JRE was updated recently because of a severe vulnerability, will the Debian Sun JRE / JDK package be updated accordingly? |
| 22:52.35 | enouf | dclarke: System.map |
| 22:52.50 | dclarke | enouf: and .. vmlinux |
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| 22:52.55 | enouf | dclarke: why? |
| 22:53.05 | enouf | you already have the kernel you said in /boot |
| 22:53.06 | dclarke | enouf: I don't .. know |
| 22:53.10 | dclarke | begins to cry |
| 22:53.11 | enouf | don't |
| 22:53.16 | enouf | why? :-( |
| 22:53.31 | dclarke | enouf: well I built a new kernel and that thing needs to be in /boot |
| 22:53.45 | dclarke | enouf: and it isn't there |
| 22:53.47 | dclarke | enouf: the old thing is |
| 22:54.07 | enouf | dammit dclarke what's "file /boot/kernel_efika" say? |
| 22:54.15 | dclarke | enouf: cat /proc/version says Linux version 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty (root@Caladan) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 |
| 22:54.17 | enouf | wtf? |
| 22:54.48 | dclarke | enouf: file /boot/kernel_efika says /boot/kernel_efika: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, PowerPC or cisco 4500, version 1 (SYSV), statically linked, not stripped |
| 22:54.49 | enouf | dclarke: and why don't you just keep using debian kernels? |
| 22:54.57 | Decepticon | Bushmills, hello |
| 22:55.11 | dclarke | enouf: because I built this one ? |
| 22:55.42 | enouf | dclarke: my vmlinuz says; |
| 22:55.43 | dclarke | I thought that Linux was this open source thing that allows me to do stuff .. like that |
| 22:55.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:55.54 | enouf | dclarke: note, it |
| 22:56.06 | dclarke | okay |
| 22:56.11 | dclarke | you boot that with grub ? |
| 22:56.16 | enouf | dclarke: note, it's vmlinuz, not vmlinux .. but i told you i'm not sure about PPC |
| 22:56.24 | dclarke | oooh |
| 22:56.24 | enouf | yes |
| 22:56.28 | dclarke | fascinating |
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| 22:56.37 | dclarke | funny character change there |
| 22:56.42 | PinkFreud | er, anyone? Any ideas why modprobe refuses to see a module under kernel/extra/ ? |
| 22:56.42 | enouf | dclarke: many times, it just indicates it |
| 22:56.47 | enouf | dclarke: many times, it just indicates its's gunzipped |
| 22:56.49 | dclarke | the trailing z just means it is compressed ? |
| 22:57.05 | enouf | dclarke: bzImage is the thing it is, and copied over and renamed vmlinuz |
| 22:57.24 | enouf | dclarke: run file on your files you think you want to know about |
| 22:57.54 | enouf | dclarke: and i have no idea how ppc loads what from openFirmware and then passes over the loader to something else - etc etc |
| 22:58.10 | enouf | i said it before 2 times now -- [18:31:46] <enouf> dclarke: and checkout #debianppc |
| 22:58.20 | DeltaS4 | with the simplified xorg.conf I can't get synaptics by default |
| 22:58.31 | DeltaS4 | what's the best way to get it? |
| 22:58.34 | Decepticon | what would i have to do to make programs in ~/bin/* work so that i only have to type their name on the command line instead of the whole path |
| 22:59.13 | enouf | dclarke: what kind of ppc is that? old world? new? and what CPU? g? |
| 22:59.16 | DeltaS4 | is it advisable to add this: http://pastebin.com/m1fa3260d ? |
| 22:59.54 | dclarke | enouf : I could tell you .. but you would freak out |
| 23:00.15 | enouf | i deserve a freak |
| 23:00.21 | dclarke | enouf: it is this http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/efika_004.jpg |
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| 23:00.31 | Scout___ | hi |
| 23:00.40 | enouf | Decepticon: uncomment the relevant section in ~/.bash_profile |
| 23:00.46 | dclarke | enouf: here it is running .. right now http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/efika/efika_003.jpg |
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| 23:00.49 | Decepticon | i dont have a .bash_profile |
| 23:00.56 | enouf | yes you do |
| 23:01.04 | Decepticon | its amazing, i dont |
| 23:01.08 | Decepticon | i had to make my own .bashrc |
| 23:01.15 | enouf | you have copies |
| 23:01.21 | enouf | in /etc/skel/ IIRC |
| 23:01.23 | Decepticon | oh you mean default |
| 23:01.25 | Decepticon | ahh ! |
| 23:01.26 | Decepticon | good idea |
| 23:01.27 | enouf | yep |
| 23:01.53 | dclarke | enouf: okay .. so it is really really small SoC technology with a FreeScale processor in it |
| 23:02.03 | Scout___ | bye all |
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| 23:02.17 | prahal | hi anyone interested in packaging http://ifireball.wordpress.com/2007/12/29/fixing-thumbnails-in-nautilus/ I see two use case : slow downloaded file that got wrong thumbnails and file that are newly supported by a thumbnailer and their thumbnail need to be refreshed |
| 23:03.13 | prahal | simple things can be really helpfull . Just try nautilus thumbnail in google ... it deserves a fix integrated in distro |
| 23:03.34 | enouf | dclarke: oh, hehe, i knew i heard the term efika before :-P |
| 23:03.53 | enouf | dclarke: i should do that to my amd64 mATX that has no case |
| 23:04.23 | enouf | it just gets very dusty and smokey in here ;-) |
| 23:04.29 | dclarke | ha |
| 23:04.32 | dclarke | nail it to a wall |
| 23:04.46 | dclarke | see http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/?q=node/110 |
| 23:05.01 | enouf | (not that it matters, since all my other PCs have their sides of cases off and innards all hanging out and propped up on stuff) |
| 23:05.02 | enouf | lmao |
| 23:05.44 | dclarke | enouf: this is a runnign server with a VIA Coolstream C7 proc in it : http://www.blastwave.org/dclarke/blog/images/JetWay_J7F4K1G2E_000.jpg |
| 23:05.48 | enouf | dclarke: i actually have some nice extra wood drawers i made -- i could use one of those |
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| 23:06.00 | DeltaS4 | dondelelcaro, will dpkg-reconfigure set nvidia proprietary driver as the used driver? |
| 23:06.01 | grazz | are you aware of any bug related to named semaphores in debian etch? |
| 23:06.11 | DeltaS4 | the driver to use i mean |
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| 23:07.26 | enouf | DeltaS4: you should both a kernel module named nvidia loaded in lsmod, and a the 3D driver loaded in xorg.conf, not sure it shows up in drxx |
| 23:07.31 | enouf | that's all i know |
| 23:08.13 | enouf | but really, that's 3D proprietary crap = see #nvidia, if yuo did anything the non-debian way, such as the .run file |
| 23:08.40 | enouf | s/should/should have |
| 23:09.05 | Seb | what's good web-frontend for mpd ? |
| 23:09.08 | Seb | *a good |
| 23:09.09 | Corkster | I have always just used the nvidia run file without issue |
| 23:09.12 | dondelelcaro | DeltaS4: the driver to use should be selected automatically. dpkg-reconfigure no longer configures that. |
| 23:09.28 | DeltaS4 | and for synaptics? |
| 23:09.36 | dondelelcaro | DeltaS4: same thing |
| 23:09.55 | dondelelcaro | DeltaS4: the X server almost always knows better than humans, and definetly knows better than the old config script |
| 23:10.04 | enouf | DeltaS4: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | xargs echo |
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| 23:10.43 | Seb | enouf: useless use of echo :) |
| 23:10.51 | DeltaS4 | by default the synaptics driver is not being used |
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| 23:11.02 | enouf | Seb: ? show me a better way then |
| 23:11.10 | Seb | | xargs |
| 23:11.14 | enouf | hrm |
| 23:11.44 | enouf | Seb: righto ;-) bravo |
| 23:11.52 | Seb | enouf: np :) |
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| 23:12.26 | enouf | Seb: and now that i thought about it , i see why ;-) |
| 23:12.40 | Seb | enouf: indeed heh |
| 23:12.45 | ArthurArchnix | prahal: Read the link. I think you're asking for wishlist stuff though, as nothing is really broken. |
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| 23:14.05 | prahal | ArthurArchnix, yes whishlist rfp |
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| 23:14.21 | prahal | never done one ... I ll try to do it properly |
| 23:15.04 | Nyle | maybe you could learn to package |
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| 23:15.52 | ArthurArchnix | prahal: Start by getting it included here. Maybe it it becomes popular enough someone will pick it up and package it. http://g-scripts.sourceforge.net/ |
| 23:16.01 | Nyle | maybe you could learn to package |
| 23:16.01 | ArthurArchnix | if* it |
| 23:16.26 | ArthurArchnix | Nyle... you're auto message bot is broken. It just keeps repeating. |
| 23:16.42 | Nyle | maybe you could learn to package |
| 23:16.50 | Ryan52 | What's the best way to take all mail sent to my_special_address@ryan52.info and forward it to another email address, but change the sender to my_special_address@ryan52.info? I'm using postfix... |
| 23:17.00 | ArthurArchnix | !Ask nyle for learning suggestions |
| 23:17.06 | Nyle | !mg |
| 23:17.07 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
| 23:17.39 | Nyle | !package basics |
| 23:17.39 | dpkg | package basics is, like, The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html or see Debian New Maintainers' Guide at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
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| 23:18.10 | Nyle | avg free |
| 23:18.13 | Nyle | oops |
| 23:18.14 | prahal | Nyle, packaging such a script is easy . There are quite some other nautilus script already packaged . (maybe it could get tricky with regards to the python policy ... though I don't think it applies to nautilus scripts) |
| 23:18.34 | prahal | ArthurArchnix, thanks .... I feel lame . Never heard of this site before |
| 23:18.59 | Nyle | I don't know |
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| 23:36.26 | Jai`Lemon | I'm sorry but you're question could not be understood. Please rephrase it so that I can provide an accurate result. ChaCha! |
| 23:36.32 | Jai`Lemon | Anyone ever heard of ChaCha? (chacha.com) - I work for them from home making $15/hour, google it, it's reputable. Just thought I'd share it. I have invites if anyone wants. It's hard to get hired without one. You get paid via a refillable debit card anytime you want. It's linked a real checking account. It's a real company, you work as an indepent contractor. The job and money is real. Want an invite or to know more? PM me. |
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| 23:36.43 | magyar | anyine noticed the new iceweasel on kde is a bit crappy, scrolling just kills my eyes |
| 23:41.24 | ghostdog | GTK on KDE could be better |
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| 23:42.36 | ghostdog | It would be nice if there was a standard UI framework |
| 23:43.48 | enouf | !tell infinitycircuit: -about vrms |
| 23:43.55 | enouf | !tell infinitycircuit -about vrms |
| 23:44.10 | amphi | ghostdog: nice for whom? ;) |
| 23:44.16 | infinitycircuit | enouf: thanks...but why? |
| 23:44.24 | Erilton | alguma girl ai? |
| 23:44.48 | infinitycircuit | enouf: nevermind i see haha |
| 23:44.57 | amphi | Erilton: ECHAN |
| 23:44.58 | enouf | infinitycircuit: i also think man grep-status{dctrl} can handle it, it's a bit tricky |
| 23:45.52 | Erilton | amphi girl? |
| 23:45.54 | ghostdog | amphi: For me, definitely. |
| 23:46.03 | dondelelcaro | aptitude can also do it fairly easily |
| 23:46.14 | enouf | oh yeah, duh |
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| 23:46.40 | enouf | ~Ocontrib~i ? |
| 23:46.42 | amphi | Erilton: this is a debian support channel, not #utf8-blind-date |
| 23:46.59 | enouf | gah |
| 23:48.45 | enouf | dondelelcaro: what is the Field name for searching for contrib or non-free or name? It's not Origin, right? |
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| 23:49.04 | enouf | s/or name/or main |
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| 23:49.32 | dondelelcaro | enouf: Component |
| 23:49.43 | dondelelcaro | enouf: look at the Release files if you ever forget |
| 23:50.16 | enouf | dondelelcaro: i can only find man dpkg-query as having a list, and it just lists the Fields, not what are possible entries in each .. ahh |
| 23:50.52 | enouf | fumbles around a bit |
| 23:51.03 | DeltaS4 | dondelelcaro, indeed the error is with the driver's framebuffer bpp |
| 23:51.11 | DeltaS4 | (EE) SIS(0): Framebuffer bpp 32 not supported for this chipset |
| 23:53.13 | Cyorxamp | !português |
| 23:53.30 | Cyorxamp | !Portuguese |
| 23:53.31 | dpkg | Por favor use #debian-pt para ajuda em portugues ou #debian-br para ajuda em portugues do brasil. ( /join #debian-pt ) |
| 23:54.17 | Erilton | estou precisando de uma girl |
| 23:54.20 | Erilton | para teclar |
| 23:54.43 | n3kl | How can I sign and encrypt a message with gpg? I thought it was gpg -s -e -r bla, but then when I do gpg --verify on the resulting file, I get "unexpected data" |
| 23:54.49 | DeltaS4 | ... |
| 23:54.59 | DeltaS4 | this is not to date girls |
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| 23:59.00 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: gpg --sign --encrypt is correct, but you need to use gpg --decrypt to verify |
| 23:59.13 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: since it's signed, and then encrypted |
| 23:59.58 | slackd00d | is there a howto on make .deb's with sources that don't have a source/debian directory |
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