| 00:00.14 | dondelelcaro | slackd00d: you make the debian yourself; see the nm guide |
| 00:00.18 | HockeyInJune | What |
| 00:00.21 | dondelelcaro | !tell slackd00d -about nm guide |
| 00:00.45 | HockeyInJune | What's the max length my Linux password can be? |
| 00:00.51 | enouf | Thanks for the pointer dondelelcaro (:-( dpkg-query doesn't list a Component Field) .. i see now, the heading "Component:" shows me 'main contrib non-free' (cause it reflects sources.list, i suspect), and rather than pkgnames, it's all md5sum/sha1/sha256 of package lists/diffs, etc .. hrm Now, how to make grep-{dctrl,status,version} grab the needed info .. hrm |
| 00:00.58 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: ahhh, thanks |
| 00:00.59 | slackd00d | dondelelcaro: thank you |
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| 00:02.39 | m-c | Having some trouble installing Debian. I am getting an error that says the installed cannot install GRUB after the files installed to the HD. But there is no more to that error. How can I see more diagnostics information, please? |
| 00:02.56 | dondelelcaro | enouf: with Section: non-free, in this case |
| 00:03.22 | dondelelcaro | enouf: since the component doesn't get put in status, though it should be in grep-aptavail |
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| 00:03.38 | m-c | "Executing 'grub-install (hd0)' failed. This is a fatal error." is the exact error. |
| 00:03.47 | magyar | hi, is there a way to uninstall iceweasel3 from lenny and get version 2? |
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| 00:04.51 | SerajewelKS | is there a way with iptables to do hairpin NAT when i don't know what the IP address on one of the interfaces is? |
| 00:05.08 | SerajewelKS | e.g. i have a port forward for packets coming in eth0 on port A, to forward them to some IP out eth1 |
| 00:05.35 | SerajewelKS | but if the same connection comes in eth1 (but *only* if it is destined for the IP on eth0) i want hairpin NAT to take place |
| 00:05.58 | GutGrinder | why ? |
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| 00:07.11 | dondelelcaro | magyar: from s.d.n, yes. |
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| 00:08.45 | SerajewelKS | GutGrinder: for consistency |
| 00:09.16 | DeltaS4 | how do I send commands to a tty1 from ssh? |
| 00:09.37 | SerajewelKS | GutGrinder: TCP connections to my external network address from outside my LAN work. inside my LAN they should work too, that's why there's hairpin NAT. i'm just not sure how to do it the Right Way |
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| 00:11.01 | m-c | Is there any way to bring up a log while Debian is installing? Is there a way to install GRUB after the installation is complete, in a more controlled environment? |
| 00:11.03 | SerajewelKS | this is simple if my WAN IP is static, but it is not |
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| 00:14.45 | noppe | is there any way to find out when the last activity of a maintainer was or why a package isn't orphaned/adopted if there have been non-maintainer updates? |
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| 00:18.06 | dondelelcaro | noppe: yes; what's the package and maintainer? |
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| 00:19.56 | xingu | excellent, bug of the day; if you statically configure a vista ip4->nic binding and you leave off the default gateway - it'll forget what zone (private v public) it's in across reboots. |
| 00:20.10 | xingu | offers two fistfuls of hair to dondelelcaro |
| 00:20.36 | dondelelcaro | xingu: it's vista; don't even want to think about it |
| 00:20.52 | noppe | dondelelcaro: Jereme Corrado, disc-cover. 2 year old bugs still open, 2 year old newer version available. |
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| 00:23.15 | dondelelcaro | noppe: looks like the maintainer isn't a DD; the package has a recent NMU and the original maintainer last uploaded 3 years ago. |
| 00:23.18 | magyar | how can i use reportbug to send a report that has been saved in the /tmp directory after a failed email atempt? |
| 00:24.21 | dondelelcaro | magyar: --body-file should do it |
| 00:24.42 | dondelelcaro | magyar: but I'd check with -o before sending the mail |
| 00:25.47 | magyar | dondelelcaro: it doesnt seem to read the file, instead it prints "Please enter the name of the package in which you have found a problem, or type 'other' to report a more general problem." |
| 00:25.53 | dondelelcaro | noppe: if you're interested in fixing the package, you should send mail to the maintainer and frankie@debian.org (he's who sponsored it; see who-uploads disc-cover) |
| 00:26.05 | dondelelcaro | magyar: you can also just send that in any MUA if youw ant |
| 00:26.18 | noppe | dondelelcaro: DD? |
| 00:26.40 | dondelelcaro | !DD |
| 00:26.40 | dpkg | hmm... dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
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| 00:29.06 | SerajewelKS | do debian stock kernels support the iptables TRACE target? |
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| 00:29.59 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: yes |
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| 00:30.38 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: when i attempt to use it i get: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name |
| 00:30.53 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: is the xt_TRACE module loaded? |
| 00:31.16 | enouf | dondelelcaro: thank you (i had a phone call) |
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| 00:32.09 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i did: find /lib/modules/ -iname \*trace\* |
| 00:32.11 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: no output |
| 00:32.51 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: needless to say modprobe fails |
| 00:33.37 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: this is 2.6.18-4-686 if that makes any difference |
| 00:33.52 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: oh, it's in 2.6.25; dunno about 2.6.18 |
| 00:34.11 | dondelelcaro | I don't even know if that module was upstream as of 2.6.18 |
| 00:34.12 | SerajewelKS | ugh |
| 00:34.18 | noppe | dondelelcaro: thanks. I guess I should contact the maintainer first before asking to adopt it. |
| 00:34.43 | SerajewelKS | and 2.6.25 has caused a hell of a lot of problems for me... any other way i can debug the path a packet is taking through iptables? |
| 00:34.45 | dondelelcaro | noppe: yeah; you may not get a response. (You should Cc: the maintainer and the new version wishlist but) |
| 00:34.56 | SerajewelKS | i have a specific goal but i asked earlier and nobody responded so i'm hesitant to ask again |
| 00:35.06 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: the LOG target is the best way I can suggest |
| 00:35.23 | dondelelcaro | SerajewelKS: I personally wasn't quite sure what you're trying to do (and I'm not an iptables expert) |
| 00:36.01 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: i have eth0 (WAN) and eth1 (LAN) and i'm trying to enable hairpin NAT for connections coming in eth1 with the destination IP of eth0's address |
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| 00:36.09 | SerajewelKS | dondelelcaro: trick is eth0's address is not static |
| 00:37.02 | SerajewelKS | so somehow i need to ask for packets coming in eth1 destined for eth0 to be properly NAT'd and fed into my nat PREROUTING table so they get forwarded to the right place |
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| 00:37.38 | SerajewelKS | instead they get processed coming in eth0, in other words rejected |
| 00:39.06 | SerajewelKS | and i can't find an easy solution for this |
| 00:39.50 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: make sure rp_filter is disabled |
| 00:40.08 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: which does what? |
| 00:40.30 | SerajewelKS | oh reverse path filtering, right |
| 00:40.51 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: i'm not entirely sure that will do anything at all, unless that was the first step in a series of suggestions |
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| 00:42.57 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: well, make sure your rules will allow it, of course |
| 00:43.33 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: oh wait, I think I misread. coming in eth1 and out eth0? as in normal traffic? |
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| 00:44.21 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: traffic coming in eth1 (LAN) destined for the IP address assigned to eth0 (WAN) |
| 00:44.46 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: traffic from my internal network to the IP address on the NAT device. i want that port-forwarded appropriately (AKA hairpin NAT). |
| 00:45.03 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: supposedly this works if you have a static IP on the WAN interface, but i do not. |
| 00:46.01 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: oh I see |
| 00:46.15 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: you have to do SNAT for that traffic too, but it will work |
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| 00:46.48 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: i'm curious how it would be set up though |
| 00:47.12 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: to prevent DNATing more packets than i should i have the nat PREROUTING stuff DNATing only when packets come in on eth0 |
| 00:47.29 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: the problem is this packet is coming in on eth1 so i must match against the IP address -- which changes |
| 00:48.01 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: can you paste your current config |
| 00:48.09 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: how much of it? |
| 00:48.12 | Kevin` | all of it |
| 00:48.28 | SerajewelKS | well, iptables for sure but ifconfig? route? ip? |
| 00:48.34 | Kevin` | oh, just iptables |
| 00:48.36 | Kevin` | iptables-save |
| 00:49.05 | SerajewelKS | http://pastebin.ca/1068717 |
| 00:50.03 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 00:50.54 | Kevin` | I wonder if there's a way to determine the current routing target |
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| 00:51.02 | HockeyInJune | What's the max length my Linux password can be? |
| 00:51.05 | Kevin` | you could match those packets in INPUT for example, but it's too late then.. |
| 00:51.11 | SerajewelKS | indeed |
| 00:51.21 | dondelelcaro | HockeyInJune: unlimited |
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| 00:51.30 | SerajewelKS | i could use a module that would test --destined-for eth0 |
| 00:51.33 | HockeyInJune | How about SSH, dondelelcaro? |
| 00:51.38 | dondelelcaro | HockeyInJune: same |
| 00:51.39 | SerajewelKS | e.g. "has same destination IP address as eth0" |
| 00:51.45 | HockeyInJune | Thanks. |
| 00:51.58 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: peruse netfilter.org? :) |
| 00:52.18 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: i have been googling for an hour with no joy |
| 00:52.26 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: all the stuff i can find assumes static WAN IP |
| 00:52.50 | dondelelcaro | HockeyInJune: at least, there's no intrinsic limitations; you may run into limits if you do insane things, like try to use a novel as a password |
| 00:52.53 | Kevin` | maybe you could just have the script re-run when your ip changes |
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| 00:53.06 | gyaresu | hey. Anyone know where to increase the scrollback buffer (shift + page up) in bash under screen on debian lenny? Accessing from putty on a windows machine. |
| 00:53.14 | dondelelcaro | gyaresu: man screen |
| 00:53.35 | HockeyInJune | dondelelcaro: but I shouldn't see anything at 256 characters, right? |
| 00:53.38 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: i thought about that but then i am hardcoding iptables rule offset numbers into a script. yuck. |
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| 00:53.47 | dondelelcaro | HockeyInJune: unlikely; if you do, there's a bug. |
| 00:53.58 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: offset? have it regenerate the whole thing |
| 00:53.59 | dondelelcaro | HockeyInJune: though you don't really gain much besides wasting your time with such a long password |
| 00:54.06 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: that's even worse :( |
| 00:54.31 | HockeyInJune | dondelelcaro, Thanks. |
| 00:54.32 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: idea, have a special table that just contains the match |
| 00:54.44 | Kevin` | SerajewelKS: then you can easily change that from a script |
| 00:54.48 | clovisw | i'm getting some slow internet connection in a firewall+proxy machine, to investigate i do a tcpdump capture, and wireshark shows me many errors of "SSL Malformed Packet (Exception occured)" any idea how to check the reason? |
| 00:55.12 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: hmm good point |
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| 00:55.25 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: i can even flush the table instead of deleting |
| 00:55.47 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: now i just need to know how to do that with dhclient. last i recall its hooks were broken, but it's worth another look i suppose. |
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| 00:56.40 | grazz | very important : are you aware of any bug related to named semaphores in debian etch? |
| 00:56.44 | grazz | google isn't helping |
| 00:57.32 | gyaresu | dondelelcaro: Thanks. Any idea if it can be set 'globally' in the .screenrc or do i have to put it on each line e.g. 'screen -t blah -h 1000 1 irssi" ? |
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| 00:58.07 | infinitycircuit | gyaresu: make that the last line in .screenrc and it will be executed on screen startup |
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| 00:58.54 | gyaresu | infinitycircuit: So that's probably a 'yes' to putting the "-h 1000" on each of the 10 screen sessions I use? |
| 00:59.02 | dondelelcaro | gyaresu: no, you don't have to |
| 00:59.12 | dondelelcaro | gyaresu: man screen; again, and read about defscrollback |
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| 00:59.19 | gyaresu | dondelelcaro: thanks. |
| 00:59.34 | SerajewelKS | Kevin`: bah, the rule they provided doesn't even work. piece of crap. |
| 00:59.41 | gyaresu | dondelelcaro: boom! headshot! Nice work ;) |
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| 01:05.28 | bangers | Is there a PS1 variable identical to: PS1="[`hostname | cut -d '.' -f 1`:"'$PWD'"][$LOGNAME]# " |
| 01:05.31 | bangers | That will work for bash and sh? |
| 01:05.53 | bangers | sh displays: [hostname:$PWD][root] |
| 01:06.02 | dondelelcaro | bangers: sh is just a link for your shell |
| 01:06.22 | dondelelcaro | bangers: so that's entirely dependent on what shell sh is. |
| 01:08.03 | dondelelcaro | but in any event, it's PS1="\[\h:\w\]\[\u\]" |
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| 01:08.36 | dondelelcaro | bangers: man bash; and read about PROMPTING; and see the equivalent section in the user manual of whatever shell sh is. |
| 01:08.46 | xconspirisist | Hey folks. Does anyone know how I can use a sort of two factor authentication on my sshd, to require two passwords for login? |
| 01:09.01 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: why? |
| 01:09.14 | xconspirisist | I'd like it to be a little more secure. |
| 01:09.47 | dondelelcaro | that won't increase your security any |
| 01:09.54 | Jygga | rothschild's hunting you? |
| 01:09.56 | Jygga | ^^ |
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| 01:10.15 | xconspirisist | err, two passwords ard better than one... |
| 01:10.24 | dondelelcaro | nope |
| 01:10.35 | xconspirisist | How can you possibly not think that? |
| 01:10.40 | dondelelcaro | there's no difference between a password of foobar and two passwords of foo and bar |
| 01:10.49 | dondelelcaro | two passwords is not two-factor authentication |
| 01:11.04 | xconspirisist | Well it might technically not be, but it's more secure. |
| 01:11.24 | dondelelcaro | if it's technically not more secure, it's not more secure |
| 01:11.25 | xconspirisist | If a user uses the same password for a sshd and a forum, and the forum password got compremised... |
| 01:11.34 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: that's a user being an idiot |
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| 01:11.43 | dondelelcaro | no security can overcome that |
| 01:11.45 | xconspirisist | But the two passwords are more secure than one. |
| 01:11.52 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: how? |
| 01:11.53 | xconspirisist | You're just being pedantic :/ |
| 01:11.53 | omri | say, can tc control inbound traffic? |
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| 01:12.13 | CompWizrd | two different TYPES of passwords could be more secure |
| 01:12.14 | xconspirisist | Two passwords need to be compremised, not one! That's more secure!! |
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| 01:12.46 | infinitycircuit | xconspirisist: your argument only applies to a system where there is a tangible limit on password length/contents. that is not true for debian |
| 01:12.46 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: no, they don't; the compromise paths for passwords are the same, whether there's one or two |
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| 01:13.34 | xconspirisist | It's possible to have a password that's 250 characters long, sure. That's more secure than a password of 6 characters though right? |
| 01:13.52 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: presumably |
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| 01:14.06 | dondelelcaro | (though not necessarily) |
| 01:14.11 | nootoyahora | I need to install labview (a propietary program from national instruments) in my debian box (using testing) and I don't want that the installer installs anything in "my" directories, so i Owuld like to instaal it in a sandbox... but I'm getting trouble with chroot to do that.. is there any other tecnhnique? |
| 01:14.14 | xconspirisist | But nobody could memorise a 250 character long password. So instead, have two which are shorter? |
| 01:14.23 | lunaphyte | there's that darn law of diminishing return. |
| 01:14.28 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: lots of people have passwords that are very long |
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| 01:14.49 | dondelelcaro | memorizing 250 characters isn't all that hard; with passphrases that long, they can even be valid setences |
| 01:15.04 | xconspirisist | erm, Sorry, but I don't think you're being helpful nor proving a point here. |
| 01:15.16 | xconspirisist | If I'm wrong, please, I offer other to point me to some sense. |
| 01:15.29 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: two passwords is the equivalent of the concatenation of X and Y. |
| 01:15.43 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: as such, you just use the concatenation of X and Y instead of two passwords. |
| 01:15.53 | xconspirisist | erm, not really. |
| 01:16.43 | CompWizrd | i suggest using 256 one letter passwords... that should be more secure than one 256 letter password. |
| 01:16.46 | dondelelcaro | there's no intrinsic difference, since there's no theoretical limit to the password length in a system using md5sum passwords |
| 01:17.16 | xconspirisist | But crikey, it's one failure point. One password. |
| 01:17.31 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: it's still the same failure point no matter how many passwords you've got |
| 01:17.35 | xconspirisist | Say it gets compremised, the method in which is irellivent. |
| 01:17.50 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: then all of the passwords would be compromised by the same method |
| 01:17.57 | xconspirisist | Then you still have a different second password to get past. |
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| 01:18.39 | dondelelcaro | plus, it's not like modern systems with non-trivial passwords are broken by brute force password attacks anyway |
| 01:18.39 | WormFood | those who do not understand unix are doomed to reimplement....poorly |
| 01:19.16 | xconspirisist | But say if you did a dictionary attack even if your password is 100 characters long, and it comes up pretty much instantly vs if you were trying to brute force it. |
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| 01:19.45 | xconspirisist | The chances are less that both passwords would be in the dictionary. |
| 01:19.55 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: huh? non-trivial passwords are not going to be in a dictionary |
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| 01:20.08 | xconspirisist | But what if a user chooses a trivial one? |
| 01:20.11 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: see pwgen et al; if you're unfamiliar with non-trivial passwords. |
| 01:20.14 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: you don't let them. |
| 01:20.19 | xconspirisist | "Your account deserved to be broken into" is just not valid. |
| 01:20.19 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: that's what crack et al. are for |
| 01:20.30 | CompWizrd | xconspirisist: there's methods of automatically checking attempted password changes |
| 01:20.42 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: furthermore, there's nothing stoping a user from choosing the same two passwords if they're idiots |
| 01:20.47 | CompWizrd | either way, why are you using passwords for ssh, you should be using ssh keys |
| 01:20.50 | xconspirisist | Okay, okay, we're going around the bush here. |
| 01:21.01 | xconspirisist | Could you just tell me if it's possible, despite your recommendations? |
| 01:21.10 | CompWizrd | and then having a secure passphrase |
| 01:21.20 | WormFood | xconspirisist, have long have you been running linux, or unix-like systems? |
| 01:21.24 | xconspirisist | I don't want to carray around keys with me. |
| 01:21.40 | xconspirisist | WormFood: For about 5-6 years. |
| 01:21.46 | xconspirisist | Started with RH9. |
| 01:21.50 | dondelelcaro | *real* two factor authentication is possible; however, no one uses two passwords, so without custom code in pam, it's not going to be possible. |
| 01:21.53 | xconspirisist | (ish) |
| 01:22.15 | xconspirisist | dondelelcaro: Okay, well thanks, that's a reasonable answer! |
| 01:22.25 | CompWizrd | you could also look into one-time keys |
| 01:22.36 | xconspirisist | mm, now thinking about what to use instead. |
| 01:22.38 | WormFood | xconspirisist, I started with Linux, with rh4...but I've been using unix-ish systems since the mid-late 80s....and I can tell you, your thinking is off here |
| 01:22.41 | CompWizrd | one-time passwords, rather |
| 01:22.55 | CompWizrd | so even if they got ahold of a key after its been used, it's useless |
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| 01:23.06 | xconspirisist | WormFood: I don't think experience is the issue here, to me it seems more like logic. |
| 01:23.16 | xconspirisist | However, I've been told it's not possible without custom code, which is not an option. |
| 01:23.19 | WormFood | your logic is off here |
| 01:23.23 | xconspirisist | Sooo, I'll try something else you recommend. |
| 01:23.32 | dondelelcaro | it's surprising how often experience and logic go hand in hand |
| 01:23.35 | WormFood | one time passwords are a great idea |
| 01:24.08 | xconspirisist | An issue I have, is that if the otp generators, whatever that you use break - havn't you just lost access to the system? |
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| 01:24.30 | xconspirisist | (don't have physical access to play with grub, with the system I am talking about here) |
| 01:24.43 | dondelelcaro | xconspirisist: sure, that's why they're generally only used when you need that security |
| 01:24.52 | xconspirisist | mm. That's a pain. |
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| 01:28.18 | dondelelcaro | (there are also other fun things, like synced random number generator tokens, fobs, biometrics, etc.) |
| 01:28.43 | xconspirisist | Aye. Money I don't want to spend ;) |
| 01:28.55 | xconspirisist | Might try setting up keys. |
| 01:29.15 | Corkster | install RFID access control systems |
| 01:29.28 | lunaphyte | is it possible that bind 9.50p1 will make it into testing in the near future? |
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| 01:30.00 | msshams | i have an script, that when i run it manually, it works successfully. but when it runs with cron it finished incomplete. it is a backup script and last about 20 min. do you have any idea? |
| 01:30.23 | bangers | Is it possible to tell BitchX to auto connect to a server on startup? |
| 01:30.29 | dondelelcaro | !why is bind not in testing |
| 01:30.29 | dpkg | bind is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=bind |
| 01:30.31 | bangers | atm everytime I have to type /server irc.freenode.net |
| 01:31.03 | xconspirisist | dondelelcaro, WormFood, CompWizrd, Thanks for your help. I'm off now. |
| 01:32.12 | Nyle | yahoo.com |
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| 01:32.17 | dondelelcaro | bangers: I'd actually use irssi instead; bitchx is kind of garbage. |
| 01:32.18 | Nyle | opps |
| 01:32.19 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: isn't that bind8? |
| 01:32.28 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: well, replace it with bind9 then. |
| 01:32.42 | lunaphyte | !why is bind9 not in testing |
| 01:32.43 | dpkg | bind9 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=bind9 |
| 01:32.47 | lunaphyte | oh, i see. |
| 01:32.50 | lunaphyte | looks |
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| 01:32.54 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:33.47 | lunaphyte | so that list of "is nots" must be met before bind9 will appear in testing? |
| 01:34.59 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: yes |
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| 01:35.37 | mithro | hi! is there a way to check that you have all the required build dependencies installed from the ./debian/rules file? |
| 01:36.11 | Nyle | mithro, what are you trying to build? |
| 01:36.19 | Nyle | mithro, apt-get build-dep pkgname usually does the trick |
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| 01:36.39 | mithro | Nyle: but that requires the package to be in an apt repository? |
| 01:36.51 | Nyle | yeh |
| 01:36.53 | Nyle | i think so |
| 01:37.01 | xconspirisist | Oh, sorry, back again. Just a random question, I'm getting a uname -a print out after I enter my password on ssh login. Any idea how to stop printing it? |
| 01:37.08 | mithro | Nyle: I'm trying to bastardise someone elses build system to produce debs |
| 01:37.23 | Nyle | mithro, what do you mean? |
| 01:37.42 | Nyle | mithro, you alrady have a deb soruce package? |
| 01:37.55 | mithro | Nyle: I'm trying to create a debian source package and then build it |
| 01:38.23 | Nyle | i see, so you look at what the depends for building it are, |
| 01:38.30 | Nyle | and install those |
| 01:38.51 | Nyle | look at the documentation for the software and see what it needs |
| 01:39.00 | mithro | Nyle: I know that part |
| 01:39.05 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: i see, thanks. |
| 01:39.09 | mithro | Nyle: so I put them in the debian/control file |
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| 01:39.42 | mithro | now is there a command that I can use to check that what my debain/control files specifies is required for building is installed |
| 01:40.31 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html <-- look here |
| 01:40.59 | m-c | I am having trouble installing Debian. Getting an error that grub will not install after the files have been installed. Any way I can figure out the issue? The error is not very descriptive. |
| 01:41.19 | Nyle | m-c, which debian are you trying to install? |
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| 01:42.00 | m-c | Debian Stable.. Etch |
| 01:42.04 | Nyle | mithro, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ch-dreq.en.html#s-control |
| 01:42.21 | Nyle | m-c, try to look at tty4 for errors |
| 01:42.27 | Nyle | alt+f4 |
| 01:42.29 | m-c | Okay, thanks |
| 01:42.31 | CompWizrd | xconspirisist: /etc/motd, /etc/issue.net, etc |
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| 01:43.10 | mithro | Nyle: How do I check that "Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0)" is currently satisfied? |
| 01:43.43 | m-c | Okay, lots more errors there, thanks Nyle. Unknown partition table signature seems to be the issue. |
| 01:43.50 | Nyle | sure |
| 01:44.07 | m-c | So strange, since the installer created the partition |
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| 01:44.48 | Nyle | mithro, Here's a hack you can use to find out which packages your package needs to be built: |
| 01:45.00 | Nyle | mithro, scroll down a bit in the page |
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| 01:45.49 | mithro | Nyle: You are mis-understanding what I'm asking - I have a build-depends line - I want to check that the current system has what the build-depends line specifies |
| 01:46.04 | Nyle | so install whats needed |
| 01:46.06 | Nyle | I don't get it! |
| 01:46.09 | Nyle | argh. |
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| 01:46.56 | mithro | Nyle: Build-Depends: debhelper (>> 3.0.0) <- take this line, how do I programatically check that I have debhelper which is >>3.0.0? |
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| 01:47.33 | Nyle | mithro, apt-cache policy debhelper |
| 01:47.34 | Nyle | ? |
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| 01:48.31 | phrost6 | anyone have any experience with LVM? whenever I try to remove a LV it keeps complaining that it's open even when lsof shows nothing against it |
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| 01:48.56 | Nyle | you mean mithro automatically? |
| 01:49.01 | Nyle | I don't know |
| 01:49.22 | mithro | Nyle: I want a command which I can just hand "debhelper (>> 3.0.0)" and it checks that debhelper >> 3.0.0 is installed |
| 01:49.24 | Nyle | I tried to package a game once, and spent 2 months or more on it, and then I stopped, its been a while I'm not an expert |
| 01:49.40 | Nyle | mithro, not sure what you are doing |
| 01:49.45 | enouf | dondelelcaro: boy, that ~s in aptitude is pretty friggin smart ... so, ok; i could either A) ~$ dpkg -l $(grep-aptavail -F Section 'non-free' | grep Package | awk '{ print$2 }') 2>/dev/null | grep ^.i ... or B) ~$ aptitude search '~snon-free~i' ;-) |
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| 01:54.08 | Nyle | enouf, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=12 |
| 01:54.19 | Nyle | =D |
| 01:54.39 | enouf | haha . wtf? |
| 01:55.15 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:55.47 | mithro | "dpkg-buildpackage -D" is almost what I want |
| 01:55.57 | mithro | but I don't actually want to do the build, just the check :/ |
| 01:56.10 | mithro | ahhh ha! |
| 01:56.17 | mithro | dpkg-checkbuilddeps |
| 01:56.26 | mithro | that is the command I was looking for |
| 01:57.24 | Nyle | enouf, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=9 |
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| 01:57.38 | Nyle | enouf, what does that long command do? |
| 01:58.11 | enouf | Nyle: shows installed non-free pkgs |
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| 01:58.34 | Nyle | hmm |
| 01:58.35 | enouf | Nyle: but .. i don't use aptitude, so it only comes up with 2 old hits here |
| 01:58.47 | Nyle | enouf, I'm collecting cute lil fuzzy aminals |
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| 02:00.06 | enouf | oh wait - sorry, i'm confusing unofficial (dmm) with non-free - because both those command produce the same output = 2 pkgs |
| 02:00.10 | enouf | Nyle: ^^^^^ |
| 02:00.23 | infinitycircuit | live-helper is so cool |
| 02:00.39 | m-c | Where can I find the MD5 Checksums for the minimal CD of "stable" ? |
| 02:00.53 | enouf | m-c: in the parent dir? |
| 02:00.55 | m-c | not seeing them on the download page |
| 02:00.57 | infinitycircuit | m-c: on the mirrors in the same directory as where you downloaded it i believe |
| 02:01.11 | m-c | okay, thanks, I will try to find the directory listing |
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| 02:01.25 | infinitycircuit | if you only have a link you can right click on it and select "copy link" and then paste the link into your browser url |
| 02:03.21 | enouf | m-c: i'm glad you found that, because i was killing myself here with some of the most horrid regex attempts ever seen, for example; $ apt-cache show acpi-support | grep Depends | sed 's/.*(.*>.*=.*)//' |
| 02:03.22 | amphi | Nyle: a donation: http://picpaste.com/crow.jpg |
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| 02:03.44 | m-c | Oh! I can use the fist disc of the multi-disc installation series for installation? |
| 02:03.48 | m-c | *first |
| 02:03.50 | enouf | sorry m-c , i meant mithro |
| 02:03.50 | Nyle | crows are not cute |
| 02:04.06 | m-c | enouf: roger |
| 02:04.14 | WormFood | did you know, in china, crows are bad luck? |
| 02:04.25 | WormFood | but not because of their color |
| 02:04.26 | enouf | m-c: indeed - you only need CD1, and then you don't even need that |
| 02:04.29 | amphi | Nyle: that one certainly was |
| 02:04.38 | Nyle | http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=4 |
| 02:04.39 | m-c | I have been using the network install that took a long time. Thanks enouf |
| 02:05.02 | amphi | Nyle: I fed it on ox hearts, and it throve |
| 02:05.15 | Nyle | its not thrived? |
| 02:05.21 | enouf | amphi: wow, your little guy got nice and plump in a hurry :-) |
| 02:05.21 | Nyle | huh. |
| 02:05.32 | Nyle | amphi, you have a crow! |
| 02:05.40 | amphi | enouf: ready to serve? |
| 02:05.48 | enouf | haha :-P |
| 02:05.52 | Nyle | ew |
| 02:05.56 | Nyle | sicko |
| 02:06.10 | enouf | Nyle: tastes like chicken |
| 02:06.12 | amphi | Nyle: last year; a couple of weeks after it could fly, it returned to its own people |
| 02:06.13 | enouf | hides |
| 02:06.31 | enouf | amphi: did you spray paint it's wings? O_o |
| 02:06.53 | enouf | </Meet the Fockers> |
| 02:06.57 | amphi | enouf: no, it's somewhat uncommon pigmentation thing, called Leucism IIRC |
| 02:06.59 | enouf | or was it parents |
| 02:07.12 | enouf | amphi: ooo, you researcher you |
| 02:07.31 | amphi | the father has similar markings, the mother and sibling are completely black |
| 02:07.49 | Nyle | you have a family of crows!? |
| 02:07.58 | enouf | amphi: welp, you had your own little dinosaur there for a while ;-) |
| 02:08.04 | amphi | enouf: indeed ;) |
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| 02:08.09 | Nyle | dude |
| 02:08.13 | Nyle | wicked. |
| 02:08.47 | amphi | Nyle: they live nearby; after the bird went with the parents, they swiftly taught it to shun the biped |
| 02:09.07 | Nyle | poor you |
| 02:09.12 | enouf | amphi: they aren't in flocks? (like around here) .. i mean, you usually see them in like groups of 20 or so, sometimes a few, but i never thought those few would be a family unit |
| 02:09.17 | Nyle | amphi, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=7 |
| 02:09.40 | WormFood | speaking of cute furry animals....I rescued a kitten a few days ago |
| 02:10.03 | amphi | Nyle: an excellent result IMHO; I found it, pretty young, flailing about in a pond; I fed it and protected it from those that would feast on it, and once it could fly, it went back - what could be better? |
| 02:10.25 | enouf | amphi: that little guy will never forget you though - and it's good the family took him/her back after all your humaness rubbing off on it and stuff :-) |
| 02:10.35 | WormFood | what could be better? making a meal out of it? ;P |
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| 02:11.32 | amphi | recalls the hoary Washington Biological Survey 'cooking instructions' joke |
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| 02:12.13 | enouf | amphi: shame we can't tell much about you from one piece of arm covered in denim or something :-P |
| 02:12.40 | amphi | enouf: it was a very nice thing to have around; I must have had it for a couple of months |
| 02:12.50 | amphi | heh |
| 02:12.52 | enouf | amphi: got any other pets? |
| 02:13.19 | enouf | if not, get/capture/steal one :-) |
| 02:13.21 | roe_ | I'm working on a debain based nat box using firehol, however I am experiencing some odd behaviour. I can ping,ssh, and request dns lookups through the firehol nat box. I can browse by IP to one web server but not to google's ip. I can not successfully connect to freenode through the nat, nor can I browse the web using host names. |
| 02:13.22 | amphi | I didn't find one this year; I was hoping for a jackdaw, they fall from their nests quite a lot |
| 02:14.44 | WormFood | fuck! pidgin keep locking up when I try to type anything in chinese :( |
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| 02:22.40 | wols | roe_: debian based? |
| 02:22.52 | wols | roe_: why do you use firehol? |
| 02:23.05 | roe_ | nice abstraction to iptables |
| 02:23.16 | wols | roe_: what debian version? |
| 02:23.19 | roe_ | etch |
| 02:23.24 | wols | install ipmasq |
| 02:23.32 | wols | and ditch firehol |
| 02:24.01 | Xklark | i've tried to install debian 3 times, but each time an error pops up with a "Corrupted File" |
| 02:24.32 | wols | Xklark: what error exactly? are you sure your CD download and burn is good? |
| 02:24.35 | Xklark | i've checked the md5 checksum and its the same |
| 02:24.41 | Xklark | i've burned a new CD all 3 times |
| 02:24.54 | Xklark | and on different programs each time |
| 02:24.57 | roe_ | ipmasq looks like t is just a for masquerading |
| 02:24.58 | Xklark | i might try the net install next |
| 02:25.02 | Xklark | file://cdrom/pool/main/t/tzdata_2007j-1etch1_all.deb |
| 02:25.04 | Xklark | thats the file^ |
| 02:25.06 | wols | roe_: which is what you want |
| 02:25.31 | wols | roe_: and yes you can add your custom firewall rules too |
| 02:25.57 | wols | Xklark: when EXACTLY does the error happen? after taskselect? |
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| 02:26.19 | Xklark | Install the base system |
| 02:26.30 | roe_ | in this specific case, sure. However I just firehol in lots of other places, where masquerading is not what I want. I like firehol, I think it is a feature complete frontend to iptables |
| 02:26.45 | Xklark | wols: i think i might just do a netinstall |
| 02:26.53 | wols | roe_: but you are obviously unable to properly configure it |
| 02:27.03 | wols | netinst needs a base system from CD too |
| 02:27.18 | roe_ | I'm not convinced it is something I am doing wrong |
| 02:27.18 | enouf | Xklark: is that installing in a VM environment? |
| 02:27.35 | wols | roe_: please try ipmasq, just for debugging purposes |
| 02:27.43 | enouf | Xklark: you seem to have been here earlier, i missed your issues then .. |
| 02:28.26 | enouf | Xklark: when you boot the CD, there's an option to "Check Integrity" did you do that? |
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| 02:29.14 | Xklark | uhh |
| 02:29.26 | Xklark | doing it right now |
| 02:29.32 | enouf | if you don't see it, press the Fn Keys ;-) |
| 02:29.39 | enouf | F1-F10 |
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| 02:31.12 | Xklark | its checking integrity right now |
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| 02:35.19 | Xklark | enouf - some errors |
| 02:35.22 | Xklark | gettext |
| 02:35.36 | Xklark | thats about the only error on the integrity check |
| 02:35.47 | wols | there must be no errors |
| 02:35.57 | enouf | Xklark: maybe you're burning the CD at too high of speed - try speed=24 or slower |
| 02:36.06 | enouf | oh |
| 02:36.07 | Xklark | k |
| 02:36.09 | Xklark | that was at 16x |
| 02:36.13 | enouf | oh |
| 02:36.25 | enouf | hrm, is your system overclocked Xklark ? |
| 02:36.25 | wols | enouf: CLV and CAV speeds diverge at much lower speeds. 8x usually IIRC |
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| 02:36.45 | Xklark | nope enouf |
| 02:36.49 | Xklark | im going to try one more burn on 8x |
| 02:36.52 | enouf | wols: well, it all depends . .way too many variables |
| 02:36.55 | Xklark | and if that doesnt work, im doing the net install |
| 02:36.58 | enouf | Xklark: how's your RAM |
| 02:37.02 | Xklark | 2gigs |
| 02:37.05 | enouf | did a memtest86+ check? |
| 02:37.06 | wols | ideally, try 1x Xklark |
| 02:37.12 | enouf | no |
| 02:37.19 | enouf | 1x is not an option |
| 02:37.22 | Xklark | ^ |
| 02:37.25 | wols | enouf: why not? |
| 02:37.28 | enouf | not with anything made after 1999 |
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| 02:37.57 | enouf | really .. somewhere between x8 and 24x is ideal |
| 02:38.10 | Xklark | k |
| 02:38.17 | Xklark | take #5, 8x lol |
| 02:38.22 | Xklark | 5th CD wasted lolol |
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| 02:38.25 | enouf | Xklark: do you have another OS installed? |
| 02:38.27 | wols | Xklark: cdrw |
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| 02:38.34 | Xklark | no enouf |
| 02:38.38 | enouf | Xklark: is that a Virtual Machine install? |
| 02:38.41 | Xklark | no |
| 02:38.46 | Xklark | its on another computer |
| 02:38.54 | enouf | Xklark: are you sure your "hardware" is all ok? |
| 02:39.07 | Xklark | im not sure |
| 02:39.11 | Xklark | its an old computer |
| 02:39.19 | enouf | Xklark: like, do you have 40wire IDE Cables ? Extra long ones? |
| 02:39.26 | enouf | how old? |
| 02:39.35 | Xklark | to be honest, i've never looked inside of it |
| 02:39.39 | Xklark | wel i have, but its been awhile |
| 02:39.47 | enouf | did it ever work? |
| 02:39.51 | Xklark | it was collecting dust in my basement, wanted to put it to some use |
| 02:39.59 | Xklark | yes, i had windows on there for a long time - was a main comp for me |
| 02:40.04 | Xklark | then installed ubuntu desktop, then server |
| 02:40.06 | Xklark | they all worked |
| 02:40.06 | enouf | well .. checked your BIOS settings? |
| 02:40.12 | Xklark | what should i check on it? |
| 02:40.15 | enouf | how can you say it's not overclocked? |
| 02:40.33 | enouf | when was the last working OS on there? |
| 02:40.46 | Xklark | enouf 2 hours ago |
| 02:40.51 | enouf | lmao |
| 02:40.52 | Xklark | when i got on ubuntu server lol |
| 02:40.57 | Xklark | then was like |
| 02:41.01 | Xklark | "nah, i want to try debian" |
| 02:41.11 | enouf | Xklark: livecd? or a full installation , that was working for a while? |
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| 02:41.24 | Xklark | full install |
| 02:41.42 | enouf | and you installed that from CD too? |
| 02:42.08 | enouf | and you burned that installation CD on the same burner you're using now to burn teh debian ones? |
| 02:42.26 | enouf | Xklark: work with me here ... |
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| 02:43.06 | Xklark | sorry, trying to do somethign else |
| 02:43.10 | Xklark | yes enouf |
| 02:43.12 | enouf | me too |
| 02:43.35 | Xklark | the only problem with the computer im install on is the cd rom drive is crazy |
| 02:43.51 | Xklark | i have to boot up 5-6 times for it the drive to STAY IN long enough to read it |
| 02:43.56 | Xklark | it will open, close, open, close |
| 02:44.02 | Xklark | repidetally lol |
| 02:44.34 | roe_ | wols: done, I think I configured ipmasq properly, I defined the proper interfaces in A01interfaces.rul and ran ipmasq -rule |
| 02:45.00 | Corkster | what happens if you kick chanserv ? |
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| 02:45.02 | enouf | Xklark: you give really no specifics, no hardware specifics, not even a year, no CPU specifics, .. dude, i bet the drive is bonkers, or the cables are bad, or ... have you ever flashed that CD drive's firmware? |
| 02:45.16 | Xklark | never |
| 02:45.23 | Xklark | enouf, i'm just going to mess with it once more |
| 02:45.31 | Xklark | thanks for the help - sorry about the lack of specifics |
| 02:45.45 | enouf | ok |
| 02:45.49 | Xklark | sorry :( |
| 02:45.57 | Xklark | just frustrated with this |
| 02:46.30 | enouf | Xklark: just make sure the BIOS clock isn't set to like 1984 |
| 02:46.34 | Xklark | k |
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| 02:47.21 | enouf | and check all other settings in there |
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| 02:47.43 | sander | Anyone know why audacious seg faults? |
| 02:47.52 | sander | amidi-plug(amidi-plug.c:amidiplug_init:97): init, read configuration, amidi-plug(i_backend.c:i_backend_load:107): loading backend '/usr/lib/audacious/Input/amidi-plug/ap-alsa.so', amidi-plug(i_backend.c:i_backend_load:145): backend /usr/lib/audacious/Input/amidi-plug/ap-alsa.so (name 'alsa') successfully loaded, Segmentation fault |
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| 02:48.58 | squisher | sander, install the -dbg packages for it, and get a backtrace |
| 02:49.12 | squisher | often it's a plugin |
| 02:49.13 | enouf | wols: i'm sorry i can't give specifics about why i know 8x-16x (or even24x) is best for PIE/P<whatever> errors etc .. but i tuck away important info like that in my head .. and i've been far removed from the hows, the whys, the tests, the comparisons, the results, etc .. |
| 02:50.02 | enouf | wols: i decent place i learned about all that stuff years ago was at club.cdfreaks.com .. but ok |
| 02:51.06 | sander | squisher, how do I get a backtrace?.. I've only tried to do an strace of it. |
| 02:51.38 | et | what's the dpkg factoid for the debian-multimedia key? |
| 02:51.44 | enouf | !dmm |
| 02:51.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 02:51.52 | sander | squisher, those 4 lines i get is the only lines I see after I start audacious |
| 02:51.55 | squisher | sander, after you install the debug packages, run 'gdb audacious'. You should get a prompt and type 'run'. When it crashes you get back to the prompt, then you can type bt |
| 02:52.09 | squisher | btw, you also might need to install gdb obviously :-) |
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| 02:52.25 | robboplus | hello folks |
| 02:52.41 | cupe^ | Thinking of upgrading my desktop computer from Ubuntu 8.04 to the latest Debian release. Is there something that I should think of, something that I "loose" with installing Debian instead of Ubuntu, and vice versa? I'm going to use it with openbox. |
| 02:52.43 | robboplus | i have a wicked question... can i have my console set to it will recognize utf-8 properly? |
| 02:52.53 | enouf | squisher: would valgrind be an option for that as well? |
| 02:52.55 | robboplus | s/to/so/ |
| 02:53.09 | squisher | enouf, hmm, not sure, maybe? |
| 02:53.15 | enouf | no prob |
| 02:53.17 | wols | enouf: I know cdfreaks. and it's probably something about the BLER |
| 02:53.38 | infinitycircuit | cupe^: well technically the latest debian release is etch, which has older packages than ubuntu 8.04 |
| 02:53.39 | odla | !tell et about apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 02:53.46 | odla | et: that's marillat's key |
| 02:53.46 | cupe^ | infinitycircuit: Okay |
| 02:53.58 | cupe^ | infinitycircuit: that's not a problem though |
| 02:53.58 | squisher | enouf, in theory I'm sure valgrind can give you a backtrace, but why use that when you can use gdb? |
| 02:54.02 | enouf | robboplus: you mean on your ttys? |
| 02:54.03 | roe_ | wols: (un)fortunately, I am seeing the same behavior. |
| 02:54.05 | infinitycircuit | cupe^: but installing testing (lenny) will give you an up-to-date rolling release system |
| 02:54.24 | cupe^ | Okay. Is it stable enough to use as primary OS? |
| 02:54.24 | enouf | squisher: i'm not familiar yet much with either - thought i'd ask |
| 02:54.36 | robboplus | enouf yes |
| 02:54.39 | cupe^ | Primary and primary.. only OS. :P |
| 02:54.50 | sander | squisher, When I moved the file ~/.config/audacious/playlist.xspf audacious works again. |
| 02:54.55 | infinitycircuit | cupe^: i use sid (unstable) on all my machines...it depends on your mindset and your familiarity with debian |
| 02:54.57 | wols | roe_: ok, then I was mistaken I guess and your firewall on the router is not the problem. do a traceroute |
| 02:54.59 | infinitycircuit | you should have no problems running testing |
| 02:55.10 | robboplus | enouf actually i can't see non-english chars at all, it's a bit of mess there and i wonder how to sort this out (e.g. to edit raw .html that is utf-8) |
| 02:55.24 | odla | cupe^: the next stable release which imo is probably already more stable than ubuntu is due out in september and you can run it by point sources.list to lenny |
| 02:55.24 | wols | cupe^: your questions clearly show that you should not run sid |
| 02:55.26 | squisher | enouf, valgrind is usually used to find memory errors, like memory leaks or double frees etc; while gdb is a more general debugging tool |
| 02:55.34 | squisher | sander, glad you figured it out |
| 02:55.42 | abrotman | odla: don't give a date |
| 02:55.43 | enouf | !tell robboplus -about utf-8 |
| 02:55.54 | sander | squisher, sorry.. the program started up.. but when I load a new song.. it all crashes again.. |
| 02:55.56 | enouf | sorry robboplus , that's all i know really |
| 02:56.04 | odla | abrotman: well that's the current ETA |
| 02:56.06 | cupe^ | infinitycircuit: Okay. Well I've never tried Debian before, though I've used Ubuntu for some months now and thought that I should try "the mother" of Ubuntu.. And also, I heard that Debian is the shit. :> |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | odla: i don't think it is anymore |
| 02:56.25 | infinitycircuit | cupe^: that is true :) |
| 02:56.29 | wols | cupe^: debian does less for you, you are more expected to edit config files and such |
| 02:56.36 | cupe^ | Good. |
| 02:56.37 | robboplus | enouf actually pretty useful, thank you very much - will try |
| 02:56.40 | squisher | sander, then try what I told you above. It's a bit technical, and might seem complicated, but it'll give results :) |
| 02:56.49 | cupe^ | wols: lol, what do you mean by that? |
| 02:56.52 | sander | squisher, here is the output of gdb: http://pastebin.ca/1068794 |
| 02:56.55 | wols | what I said |
| 02:56.55 | odla | cupe^: run debian testing if you want more of a challenge |
| 02:56.56 | cupe^ | I am editing config files all day long. |
| 02:56.57 | roe_ | wols: traceroute to google ( |
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| 02:57.09 | cupe^ | odla: Mkay, thanks. |
| 02:57.31 | infinitycircuit | cupe^: if you install gnome or kde you will have plenty of guis to configure stuff...just about the only thing is that proprietary graphics drivers require cli intervention |
| 02:57.35 | roe_ | crap, stupid mouse paste... traceroute to google (64.233.167.99) completes fine |
| 02:57.43 | cupe^ | infinitycircuit: I hate DE's. |
| 02:57.49 | cupe^ | Openbox is my only choice. :) |
| 02:57.49 | wols | roe_: but going there via web does not? |
| 02:57.54 | infinitycircuit | then you should be at home in debian |
| 02:57.56 | odla | cupe^: if you find yourself bored after a while then upgrade to sid just don't look for support for it ;) |
| 02:57.58 | cupe^ | :) |
| 02:58.04 | cupe^ | odla: Mkay xD |
| 02:58.07 | squisher | sander, my bad, can you try it again but this time run 'thread apply all bt' after the crash? |
| 02:58.11 | abrotman | odla: don't recommend sid |
| 02:58.24 | odla | abrotman: chill |
| 02:58.29 | enouf | robboplus: make sure your locales are properly configured, and "/msg dpkg locales" and (to a lesser degree) "/msg dpkg keymap" , but the latter talks about console-data and such, some files pertaining are in /etc/console/* and /etc/console-tools/* |
| 02:58.36 | abrotman | odla: don't |
| 02:58.37 | wols | odla: abrotman is right |
| 02:58.59 | odla | did you guys even read what i wrote? i said if he gets bored but don't expect support ... relax |
| 02:59.01 | roe_ | wols: correct, trying to browse to either www.google.com or the ip I get just the spinning sun (or whatever that picture is at the top right of firefox) |
| 02:59.15 | squisher | sander, which debian version are you using? |
| 02:59.21 | cupe^ | Well, we'll see what happens. Is there some kind of "mini iso" so that I don't have gnome, xfce or whatever installed by default? |
| 02:59.27 | wols | odla: yes we did read it and it didn't make what you said better. it only made us want you to lart more |
| 02:59.35 | wols | cupe^: get netinst |
| 02:59.42 | cupe^ | Ah, okay |
| 02:59.44 | sander | squisher, http://pastebin.ca/1068795 |
| 02:59.52 | wols | cupe^: if you don't install it, there is no default btw |
| 03:00.00 | wols | cupe^: not even X if you don't install it |
| 03:00.20 | cupe^ | wols: Well, I only have experience from Ubuntu and I didn't really have many choices there.. |
| 03:00.29 | wols | debian is very different there |
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| 03:00.37 | cupe^ | Mkay, sound pretty good to me. |
| 03:00.41 | sander | squisher, lenny |
| 03:01.00 | squisher | sander, hmm, it seems to crash in madplug, is that what you're trying to play? |
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| 03:01.29 | roe_ | wols: I am testing both a lenny box and a mac (OS 10.4) as clients behind the nat, both exhibit the same behaviour |
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| 03:01.53 | sander | squisher, whats madplug? |
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| 03:02.10 | squisher | sander, ok, rephrase, what are you trying to play? |
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| 03:03.01 | sander | squisher, an mp3 I dont remember the name of.. but the same crash happend at startup without playing anything when I had the playlist in place. |
| 03:03.06 | squisher | sander, anyways, the backtrace unfortunately does not give me easy pointers |
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| 03:03.21 | squisher | sander, but you should look at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=486543 and see if any of the solutions mentioned there help |
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| 03:04.12 | eddieBB | i need some help with vsftpd. i can download from my ftp server via ftp client. but i cannot download via download manager. does anyone know how to correct this? |
| 03:04.24 | Xklark | enouf- base installation finished! :) |
| 03:04.26 | sander | squisher, here is when I have the playlist in place: http://pastebin.ca/1068799 |
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| 03:05.27 | squisher | sander, I'd check if you have any 3rd party plugins installed |
| 03:05.32 | squisher | are you using debian-multimedia ? |
| 03:05.43 | enouf | sander: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=segfault+audacious+.config%2Faudacious%2Fplaylist.xspf&btnG=Search |
| 03:05.46 | squisher | get rid of those, they've been the source of problems |
| 03:05.46 | sander | squisher, yes.. i'm using debian-multimedia. |
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| 03:07.12 | enouf | !dbug 486543 |
| 03:07.24 | enouf | er |
| 03:07.32 | SubZeroLux | has anyone here configurd the biometric fingerprint reader equipped on a Dell XPS m1330 laptop (UPEK oem) using a debian based os? |
| 03:07.33 | enouf | !dbugs 486543 |
| 03:07.40 | enouf | crap, i suck |
| 03:07.42 | dpkg | #486543:I[audacious] audacious: Audacious segfaults on start; Mon, 16 Jun 2008 18:15:01 UTC |
| 03:07.44 | SubZeroLux | hey enouf ltns |
| 03:07.46 | enouf | oh |
| 03:07.48 | squisher | :-P |
| 03:07.59 | squisher | 489217 might be of interest as well |
| 03:08.20 | enouf | she didn't say anyting in PM to me like [dpkg] please wait, updating ... |
| 03:09.22 | eddieBB | i need some help with vsftpd. i can download from my ftp server via ftp client. but i cannot download via download manager. does anyone know how to correct this? |
| 03:09.42 | abrotman | sander: you need the plugins packages from sid |
| 03:09.43 | squisher | eddieBB, firewall issues? |
| 03:09.43 | enouf | squisher: wow, so late was i :-P |
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| 03:10.34 | eddieBB | squisher: no it is forcing me to connect through sftp in my ftp client. i think that may be why.. |
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| 03:10.51 | squisher | eddieBB, yes, that is most likely why :-) |
| 03:11.02 | enouf | SubZeroLux: anything over on the laptop sites? |
| 03:11.03 | squisher | enouf, yeah, but I hadn't seen that other bug :) |
| 03:11.07 | eddieBB | squisher: do you know how i can change that? |
| 03:11.11 | enouf | !tell SubZeroLux -about laptop |
| 03:11.17 | amphi | SubZeroLux: did you look on linux-laptop.net or tuxmobil.org? |
| 03:11.22 | amphi | heh |
| 03:11.25 | SubZeroLux | enouf: i found a package called fprint but i've had no luck installing it |
| 03:11.26 | enouf | :-P |
| 03:11.37 | squisher | eddieBB, haven't setup an ftp server in a while, look into the vsftp docs |
| 03:12.07 | eddieBB | squisher: i did. but i can't figure it out. i'm new to this.. |
| 03:12.09 | amphi | SubZeroLux: there was a package in testing for the thinkpad fingerprint thing, but it has been removed |
| 03:12.25 | SubZeroLux | i see |
| 03:12.33 | squisher | eddieBB, do you have ssh access to your server? sftp is usually part of ssh, and doesn't even use the ftp server |
| 03:12.43 | SubZeroLux | it's the only feature of my system that i have not yet been able to get functioning |
| 03:12.50 | eddieBB | yes i have ssh access |
| 03:12.51 | SubZeroLux | it's nothing major just figured i'd give it a try |
| 03:12.53 | Blast_Hardcheese | Question, I've got a really old touchscreen that I would like to use with synaptics; Synaptics reports that it can't find the event for it, Is there some kind of magical thing I can do to create an event? |
| 03:13.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | A tutorial said something about mknod, but it had some numbers that were not associated with anything that I could see, |
| 03:13.22 | squisher | eddieBB, then most likely you aren't using the ftp server at all, but rather went through ssh |
| 03:13.29 | Blast_Hardcheese | I kept it in the back of my mind because I didn't really want to reference the wrong block device. |
| 03:14.02 | eddieBB | squisher: but when i login via ftp client it only lets me connect with sftp |
| 03:14.05 | squisher | eddieBB, my personal recommendation is to try a different ftp server if you can't get one up and running. There's a bunch out there, i.e. proftpd |
| 03:14.24 | squisher | eddieBB, a lot of ftp clients can do ssh these days |
| 03:14.26 | eddieBB | squisher: this is my third one. i have the same problem on them all |
| 03:14.31 | wols | eddieBB: sftp has NOTHING to do with ftp servers at all |
| 03:14.36 | wols | oops |
| 03:14.49 | squisher | :-D |
| 03:15.05 | squisher | eddieBB, so maybe you have a different problem then... again, might be a firewall issue? |
| 03:15.37 | eddieBB | squisher: nope, it's def not a firewall |
| 03:15.47 | squisher | eddieBB, how come you're so sure? |
| 03:15.50 | roe_ | wols: stumped on my network issue? |
| 03:16.22 | wols | roe_: no clue what it could be. paste all iptables settings |
| 03:16.29 | eddieBB | squisher: because i've downloaded from ftp servers for years without a problem. until i got this dedicated server.. |
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| 03:16.51 | squisher | eddieBB, you do realize that I am of course talking about a server side firewall issue |
| 03:17.07 | eddieBB | squisher: i haven't set one up |
| 03:17.26 | squisher | eddieBB, ah :-) Not good probably, but that's another story |
| 03:17.37 | squisher | eddieBB, can you see your server listening if you run 'netstat -nlpt'? |
| 03:17.45 | enouf | wols: i don't even recall what that acronym you threw out stands for, lmao (BLER) , but i'll google it now |
| 03:18.21 | eddieBB | squisher: how do i do that? i'm still a noob. only my second day using linux.. |
| 03:19.29 | squisher | eddieBB, log in as root, or use sudo, and run the command I just mentioned on the console. You should see the ftp server process listed on port 21 |
| 03:19.44 | squisher | or pastebin the result, and I'll look at it |
| 03:20.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | How do I figure out which node an mknod node points to? |
| 03:20.53 | eddieBB | squisher: http://pastebin.ca/1068808 |
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| 03:21.42 | roe_ | wols: my iptables-save output http://pastebin.ca/1068806 |
| 03:22.07 | squisher | eddieBB, on line 8 you see inetd listening on port 21. That's good, inetd is a program that starts your ftp server for you on demand |
| 03:22.23 | squisher | Blast_Hardcheese, 'ls -l' I think |
| 03:22.39 | wols | roe_: that is not what I want |
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| 03:22.55 | wols | enouf: Block Error Rate :) |
| 03:23.12 | eddieBB | squisher: so it's set up right? |
| 03:23.45 | squisher | eddieBB, it would seem so. Next step would be to look at your log files, and /var/log/syslog right after you try to connect |
| 03:24.16 | squisher | I don't know how vsftpd logs, you'll need to look that up (either via syslog, then it'd end up in /var/log/syslog, or if it has a dedicated log file) |
| 03:24.33 | squisher | it might be right in the config file |
| 03:24.38 | squisher | where to look, I mean |
| 03:25.18 | eddieBB | squisher: type "/var/log/syslog" in terminal? |
| 03:25.35 | squisher | eddieBB, no, that's a file you need to look at |
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| 03:25.47 | eddieBB | "more /var/log/syslog"? |
| 03:25.55 | squisher | eddieBB, often you'll want to look only at the end, so you use "tail" |
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| 03:27.24 | eddieBB | okay, i'm there |
| 03:28.21 | eddieBB | want me to pastebin it? |
| 03:29.25 | squisher | eddieBB, did you find out if that's what vsftpd actually uses to log? And did you just do a connection attempt before? |
| 03:29.49 | Blast_Hardcheese | Question, My trackpad doesn't show up under /proc/bus/input/devices, Is there some other place it might be hiding? |
| 03:30.55 | enouf | wols: ahh yes, the BLER :-P the PI/PE and C1/C2 error rates http://tools.formant-records.de/kp.gif |
| 03:30.55 | eddieBB | ya i tried the connection attempt |
| 03:32.58 | eddieBB | squisher: what should i do next? |
| 03:33.37 | squisher | eddieBB, just pastebin it, let me see |
| 03:33.47 | squisher | although chances are high there won't be anything interesting in it |
| 03:33.57 | squisher | do a tail -n 50, so we get to see a bit more history |
| 03:34.45 | eddieBB | http://pastebin.ca/1068814 |
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| 03:35.37 | Rusty1 | Blast_Hardcheese: try hwinfo |
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| 03:36.14 | sander | Anyone know what program iceown is named in other distros? |
| 03:36.19 | squisher | eddieBB, you see, your server registered the connect. You should have noticed that, since you felt like editing the ip out ;-) |
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| 03:36.30 | Deepa|Away | I'm using netboot and it gets the files just fine |
| 03:36.35 | squisher | eddieBB, but no other entries from pure-ftpd? |
| 03:36.39 | Deepa|Away | But after somethi9ng about acpi flashed by the screen just goes black |
| 03:36.57 | eddieBB | squisher: ?? |
| 03:37.01 | sander | *iceowl* |
| 03:37.08 | sander | A mozilla calender program |
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| 03:37.12 | eddieBB | squisher: i'm not using pure anymore |
| 03:37.31 | squisher | eddieBB, apparently you are :-D |
| 03:37.39 | Deepa|Away | Same issue with install noapic nolapic |
| 03:37.40 | squisher | sander, just check on the mozilla webpage |
| 03:37.49 | sander | squisher, i've tried.. havent found it |
| 03:37.58 | eddieBB | squisher: so should i just delete vsftpd? |
| 03:38.11 | squisher | sander, sun something I think |
| 03:38.49 | squisher | eddieBB, sure, why not, and check /var/log for logfiles for pure-ftpd |
| 03:39.06 | eddieBB | ?? |
| 03:39.10 | sander | squisher, no luck there. |
| 03:39.26 | squisher | sander, try google. it's very easy :-) |
| 03:39.33 | sander | squisher, i've tried |
| 03:39.36 | squisher | eddieBB, it might also help for you to try to connect with a very basic ftp client, like just 'ftp' on the command line to see what's happening |
| 03:39.54 | squisher | sander, really? a google for 'mozilla calendar' gives me the name in the title of the first result |
| 03:40.39 | sander | squisher, thanks..I search for a dosen of diffrent other things.. |
| 03:40.51 | squisher | sander, :-D ok |
| 03:40.57 | eddieBB | squisher: /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd": No such file or directory at /usr/sbin/pure-ftpd-wrapper line 174. |
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| 03:41.01 | torroella | hello :< ! |
| 03:41.03 | Deepa|Away | augh, same issue with install acpi=off |
| 03:41.11 | torroella | Does the xorg.conf should work in lenny like in etch?? |
| 03:42.12 | torroella | ?? |
| 03:42.33 | enouf | wols: i'm not sure i miss reading the many threads like this :-P .. http://club.cdfreaks.com/f76/interpreting-pi-po-error-scans-80545/ |
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| 03:42.37 | squisher | eddieBB, so pureftpd is not installed correctly it seems... check with " dpkg -l 'pure-ftpd*' " if it is installed |
| 03:43.12 | pickcoder | eddieBB: what are you using FTP for? |
| 03:43.14 | squisher | eddieBB, probably you have pure-ftpd-common installed, but not pure-ftpd inself |
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| 03:43.45 | eddieBB | squisher: i'm going to re-install it. brb |
| 03:43.56 | magyar | hi ,how can i revert to iceweasel-2? |
| 03:44.16 | torroella | Does the xorg.conf should work in lenny like in etch?? |
| 03:44.34 | squisher | torroella, try it ;-) |
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| 03:45.34 | torroella | squisher: I did, didn't work, that's why I am asking :| |
| 03:45.55 | torroella | It works in lenny, why wouldn't work in etch? |
| 03:45.58 | Deepa|Away | Last file sent by TFTPd was <debian-installer\i386\initrd.gz>: sent 8473 blks, 4337830 bytes in 3 s. 0 blk resent [11/07 05:45:31.343] |
| 03:46.14 | squisher | torroella, because it's a newer version of xorg, and sometimes things change |
| 03:46.21 | squisher | torroella, you should look at the error that you get from X |
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| 03:46.32 | torroella | where can I look the error? /var/log ? |
| 03:47.15 | squisher | torroella, /var/log/Xorg.* |
| 03:47.58 | Deepa|Away | sh: can't access tty; job control turned off |
| 03:48.01 | torroella | but it is showing the one I am using right now |
| 03:48.03 | Deepa|Away | I got that when I entered debug mode |
| 03:48.12 | torroella | If I use the lenny one, it doesn't log to |
| 03:48.12 | Deepa|Away | Now I'm in busybox :/ |
| 03:48.29 | squisher | torroella, how are you trying to start X? |
| 03:48.44 | squisher | torroella, you have etch and lenny mixed? |
| 03:48.46 | torroella | startx, after I saw didn't work |
| 03:48.49 | torroella | squisher: no |
| 03:48.51 | Deepa|Away | it fails at the end of debian-installer-startup |
| 03:48.53 | torroella | just etch |
| 03:49.08 | squisher | torroella, so what are you talking about a lenny one then? |
| 03:49.17 | squisher | with startx you should see the error right on your console |
| 03:49.42 | torroella | squisher: I used to use lenny |
| 03:50.44 | squisher | torroella, ah, I get it now, ok. But with startx you should see the error right on the console, it doesn't get logged. Use shell redirection if you want to get it in a file |
| 03:51.10 | torroella | do you use etch? |
| 03:51.42 | pickcoder | torroella: what's the issue with X? |
| 03:51.46 | squisher | I'm on sid |
| 03:52.51 | torroella | pickcoder: ok, I used to use lenny, I had a real problem with my resolution, so finally i got my xorg.conf and resolution working alright with lenny, now I changed to etch and the xorg.org didn't work so I tried to use the lenny one, and same problem. |
| 03:53.21 | eddieBB | squisher: i did "vim /etc/default/pure-ftpd-common" and edited what it told me. but how do i save? |
| 03:53.53 | Deepa|Away | Is there any way I can debug what's wrong? |
| 03:54.03 | squisher | eddieBB, :-) vim might not be the easiest editor for you if you're new to linux. press <ESC> :wq to save and quit |
| 03:54.04 | Deepa|Away | /var/log/syslog had nothing special in it |
| 03:54.14 | Deepa|Away | It confirmed that the USB drivers were loaded |
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| 03:55.32 | eddieBB | squisher: okay. i edited it with nano and got it to save |
| 03:55.48 | Deepa|Away | with DEBUG_CONF=5 it just went on to the black screen |
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| 03:58.28 | mmlj4 | maybe you have a monitor virus |
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| 03:58.50 | eddieBB | squisher: okay. it's completely setup |
| 03:59.11 | Deepa|Away | I appriciate the general helping spirit |
| 03:59.25 | amphi | torroella: you can't use xrandr to switch resolution? |
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| 04:01.40 | eddieBB | squisher: now it's the same as vsftpd. i can only login sftp |
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| 04:05.46 | hardy | hi |
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| 04:07.02 | hardy | help regarding "installing debian through usb" |
| 04:08.09 | enouf | !usbinstall |
| 04:08.15 | hardy | yeah |
| 04:08.17 | squisher | eddieBB, like I said before - use a simpler ftp client that _only_ does ftp, then it'll be easier to debug |
| 04:08.27 | enouf | !usb install |
| 04:08.27 | dpkg | from memory, usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 04:08.28 | squisher | eddieBB, and again, look at the log files |
| 04:08.52 | eddieBB | can you recommend one that only does ftp? |
| 04:09.06 | hardy | yes enouf |
| 04:09.33 | squisher | eddieBB, yes, just run 'ftp <your-server-ip>' on the command line |
| 04:10.03 | magyar | how can i block with procmailrc all mail that has a sender that starts with "noreply" ? |
| 04:10.18 | osmosis | Why is it that apache seems to have a 120MB ram limit per thread ? |
| 04:11.41 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: uh... it doesn't? |
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| 04:12.15 | eddieBB | squisher: it says login failed when i try logging in that way |
| 04:12.48 | squisher | eddieBB, ok, good, now just find out where the pure-ftpd log files are, and in there you should have the reason why the login failed |
| 04:13.19 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: i found a bunch of posts of people with the same issue |
| 04:13.36 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: not a limit, but thats where it peaks...trying to figure out why its using so much ram in the first place. |
| 04:14.05 | eddieBB | squisher: http://pastebin.ca/1068840 |
| 04:14.46 | squisher | eddieBB, you should NEVER try to login with root through ftp, that's not encrypted |
| 04:14.59 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: http://lincolnloop.com/blog/2008/mar/25/serving-django-cherrypy/ |
| 04:15.02 | squisher | try it as a regular user, they might just block root for security reasons |
| 04:15.12 | eddieBB | okay. so try my other user? |
| 04:15.13 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: I just suggested pmap instead of ps to view private memory usage |
| 04:15.47 | squisher | eddieBB, yes, only ever use root if it's encrypted, like ssh! |
| 04:16.01 | eddieBB | okay. one sec |
| 04:16.18 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: are you using mod_python or something similar? |
| 04:16.51 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: yah, this guy gets the same thing..and hes on mod_perl though, http://www.issociate.de/board/post/478755/apache_process_size.html |
| 04:16.58 | eddieBB | squisher: http://pastebin.ca/1068843 |
| 04:17.34 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: uh... I don't need to see random pastes about apache's memory size; I need to know what you're doing with your server |
| 04:17.57 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: apache, prefork, mod_python, django |
| 04:18.04 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: apache itself uses very little memory per separate process; almost all of the extra memory used is for things like mod_python and/or django |
| 04:18.08 | squisher | eddieBB, the error message in there is pretty plain english :-) Can you login with that other user through ssh/sftp? |
| 04:18.27 | eddieBB | yes |
| 04:18.48 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: if they're using that much memory, then it's because django isn't de-allocating properly, or is otherwise using memory inefficiently; doesn't have much to do with apache itself. |
| 04:19.10 | squisher | eddieBB, ok, I'm not sure then, but you should be almost at a working system. |
| 04:19.27 | squisher | eddieBB, I need to take off, sorry, but look through a google like http://www.google.com/search?q=pure-ftpd+"Home+directory+not+available+-+aborting"&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.debian:en-US:unofficial&client=iceweasel-a for help |
| 04:19.37 | squisher | apologizes for the long post... |
| 04:19.39 | eddieBB | okay. thanks for the help |
| 04:20.16 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: you may be able to work around the problem by setting MaxRequestPerChild, but you really should fix either your code or django. |
| 04:20.37 | pickcoder | s/setting/reducing |
| 04:20.38 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: set MaxRequestsPerChild to what value ? |
| 04:20.59 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: to something non-zero. |
| 04:21.11 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: it was set to 4000. lowered it to 1000 |
| 04:23.11 | dondelelcaro | note that that won't actually fix your problem; it'll just mask the effects of it. |
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| 04:24.59 | simonrvn | oh shit, hide your bits, /dev/null just showed up :P |
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| 04:28.11 | enouf | counters with /dev/zero |
| 04:28.22 | enouf | from nothing ... into nothing ;-P |
| 04:28.55 | osmosis | dondelelcaro: could it be the version of mod_python I am using? I can't think of what else would cause a memory leak. |
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| 04:29.20 | simonrvn | antes with /dev/console and a /dev/urandom |
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| 04:29.44 | CompWizrd | antes with /dev/mem |
| 04:29.50 | dondelelcaro | osmosis: no, it'd most likely be the python code you're using. |
| 04:29.57 | sulo | anybody using bluefish? Is there a command (keyboard shortcut) for indenting a selected block of text? |
| 04:29.58 | streuner | !comfort simonrvn |
| 04:29.59 | dpkg | There, there, simonrvn. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 04:31.46 | streuner | magyar: there are plenty of examples in web, why not just google? |
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| 04:33.11 | streuner | magyar: and what do you mean with "block", just /dev/null ? |
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| 04:37.46 | Nyle | simonrvn, ! |
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| 04:42.43 | Deepa|Away | mmlj4, it was framebuffer problems |
| 04:42.46 | Deepa|Away | So fb=false solved it |
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| 04:54.51 | magyar | streuner: my bad, not procmail , I just realized I use maildrop, holly crap am lost |
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| 04:55.55 | magyar | how do i express in maildroprc " an email address that starts with a letter "noreply" ? |
| 04:56.20 | magyar | s/letter/letters |
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| 04:58.33 | TiMiDo | hey how do you make a jabber account any ideas? |
| 04:58.34 | TiMiDo | !jabber |
| 04:58.34 | dpkg | methinks jabber is a GPLed cross-platform, multi-protocol, extremely extensible instant messaging system that is server based and uses XML for communication. Check it out at http://jabber.org, #jabber., gabber, available via the apt-get sources.list line "deb http://eliot.landrum.cx/packages frozen main", simply amazing!, has a Debian chat at xmpp:debian@conference.jabber.org |
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| 05:00.39 | pickcoder | maildrops procmail into /dev/null |
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| 05:01.03 | TiMiDo | anyone in here has a jabber account? |
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| 05:02.00 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: yes, how you create the account depends on the server |
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| 05:02.22 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: for @jabber.org, you just use the client account creation utilities, iirc. |
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| 05:02.30 | TiMiDo | dondelelcaro, how? |
| 05:02.43 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: depends on your client; all of them should have the ability to create an account |
| 05:02.53 | dondelelcaro | did it so long ago, that it's almost certainly changed completely |
| 05:02.55 | TiMiDo | do you know any clients. for GUI user |
| 05:02.56 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 05:03.17 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: pidgin has one, iirc. |
| 05:04.21 | TiMiDo | hmmm nope it does not |
| 05:04.48 | TiMiDo | you mean Gadu-Gadu? |
| 05:04.51 | dondelelcaro | TiMiDo: http://www.jabber.org/quickstart, and yes, it does. http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/Using Pidgin#HowdoIuseAIMMSNYahooGoogleTalkJabberXMPPICQoranyotherprotocol |
| 05:04.56 | infinitycircuit | TiMiDo: you could just use google...http://www.jabber.org/clients |
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| 05:08.18 | Nyle | enouf, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=2 <-- real firefox |
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| 05:11.55 | enouf | Nyle: have you recently stumbled into a hottie at your local pet store or something? |
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| 05:15.22 | simonrvn | here we go with the quits |
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| 05:15.57 | Nyle | enouf, why? |
| 05:16.12 | enouf | cause i asked? |
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| 05:16.18 | Nyle | enouf, why? |
| 05:16.22 | enouf | cause i asked? |
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| 05:16.31 | Nyle | enouf, why? |
| 05:16.39 | enouf | !kick Nyle |
| 05:16.39 | dpkg | kicks Nyle in the crotch. |
| 05:16.43 | Nyle | lol |
| 05:16.47 | Nyle | no man |
| 05:16.54 | Nyle | come to msg and i'll tell you all about it |
| 05:16.58 | vampirefrog | firefox 3? |
| 05:17.02 | Nyle | its something to do with girls you're right |
| 05:17.07 | infinitycircuit | vampirefrog: is that a question? |
| 05:17.14 | vampirefrog | yes :) |
| 05:17.23 | vampirefrog | no verb, but you can guess it |
| 05:17.27 | enouf | Nyle: i'm going to sleep and ddalton wants me to help him with ssh, routers and modems |
| 05:17.49 | Nyle | enouf, so what do you want me to do? |
| 05:17.58 | enouf | Nyle: tell me tomorrow - just know how good my intuition is ;-) |
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| 05:18.05 | Nyle | word |
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| 05:19.42 | infinitycircuit | hmm dpkg what is up with you |
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| 05:19.44 | infinitycircuit | !info iceweasel |
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| 05:20.18 | liable | prolly cause of the netsplit |
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| 05:21.19 | infinitycircuit | yeah probably...it keeps saying FIXME: files//debian/Packages-sid-main-i386.gz does not exist? |
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| 05:23.56 | kingsley | Is it OK to do "apt-get install <kernel image package> in a chroot, dchroot or schroot environment? |
| 05:24.13 | ddalton | how can I forward everything from my nb6 netcomm modem to my openwrt router? |
| 05:24.19 | ddalton | just disable firewall? |
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| 05:25.01 | infinitycircuit | kingsley: yes |
| 05:25.39 | kingsley | infinitycircuit: OK, that looks promising. Is there anything that I should look out for? |
| 05:25.44 | infinitycircuit | kingsley: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html#id301981 |
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| 05:26.16 | infinitycircuit | if you install debian by hand from another distro that's the best way to install the kernel |
| 05:26.36 | infinitycircuit | that's probably not what you're doing but the same procedure should work |
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| 05:31.06 | kingsley | infinitycircuit: I checked out the web page you cited. Do you happen to have a personal opinion on whether or not it's necessary to create the configuration file /etc/kernel-img.conf before "apt-get install"-ing the kernel image package? |
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| 05:31.41 | infinitycircuit | kingsley: my personal opinion is follow the instructions |
| 05:31.51 | infinitycircuit | i've built 4 debian systems using their recommendations and never had any problems |
| 05:31.56 | infinitycircuit | but i've never tried without creating that file |
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| 05:32.10 | infinitycircuit | the file IS necessary eventually if you ever want it to automatically run update-grub after kernel upgrades |
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| 05:34.21 | kingsley | infinitycircuit: In my case, the file already exists, because I'm upgrading the kernel of an existing debian box. Do you suppose that I might use the pre-existing /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
| 05:34.31 | infinitycircuit | yes that shouldbe fine |
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| 05:34.49 | kingsley | infinitycircuit: Great. That'll save me time. |
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| 05:36.03 | ddalton | if I use ipv6 forwarding on my modem and forward ip is my router? will that work? |
| 05:36.21 | ddalton | so I can then get all packets to go straight to the router, not to be dropped by modem? |
| 05:36.28 | bleck_ | i have a process, that takes about 4 hours to complete.. if I run it manually, or using "nohup process.pl &" it works fine.. if i run it from cron, it gets killed after about 15 mins and I can't figure out why.. |
| 05:36.46 | ddalton | if you can help with forwarding ports please pm me, im having trouble following with braille. |
| 05:37.18 | ddalton | bleck_: checked the logs? |
| 05:37.46 | bleck_ | ddalton: yep |
| 05:37.56 | ddalton | anything useful there? |
| 05:38.28 | bleck_ | i can see it ran it fine. |
| 05:38.35 | bleck_ | but it just quits. |
| 05:38.46 | bleck_ | whats the difference between me running it and cron? |
| 05:38.50 | ddalton | bleck_: Also, sometimes con will email stuff to you. check your email in /var/, check /etc/aliases I think for the path where it will email you. |
| 05:39.09 | bleck_ | ddalton: no email on this system |
| 05:39.31 | ddalton | bleck_: hang on |
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| 05:39.51 | ddalton | show me output of /etc/aliases |
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| 05:40.38 | ddalton | ok, don't then |
| 05:40.56 | bleck_ | ddalton: theres no email on this system. |
| 05:41.34 | ddalton | what do you mean about "no email on this system" it can still drop cron messages in /var/spool/mail/root or /var/spool/mail/some_user |
| 05:41.34 | kingsley | How stable is version 2.6.25 of the kernel? |
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| 05:41.55 | infinitycircuit | kingsley: it is stable |
| 05:42.02 | infinitycircuit | what kind of graphics do you have? |
| 05:42.04 | bleck_ | ddalton: well.. you see.. its kinda not debian.. its vmware. |
| 05:42.10 | ddalton | kingsley: no probs here, if building from source with -6 ithink, disable xen support |
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| 05:42.24 | ddalton | otherwise it won't compile, if its from the repo will be fine |
| 05:42.34 | bleck_ | and yea, I know this is #debian.. |
| 05:42.39 | infinitycircuit | actually i think by now nvidia and fglrx both compile fine with 2.6.25 in fact i know they do |
| 05:42.49 | bleck_ | but its like so similar.. |
| 05:43.20 | ddalton | bleck_: well... is it a debian vmware image? |
| 05:43.30 | ddalton | or are you using some ubuntu crap or something? |
| 05:43.41 | kingsley | infinitycircuit: nVidia's eGeForce 7200 GS. |
| 05:44.01 | infinitycircuit | kingsley: kernel 2.6.25 will build the proprietary driver fine against that |
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| 05:44.30 | ddalton | bleck_: it can still probably deliver local mail from cron though. |
| 05:44.47 | kingsley | infinitycircuit: Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I'll do an "apt-get install <kernel image package>" in a chroot. |
| 05:44.57 | infinitycircuit | kingsley: good luck |
| 05:45.01 | bleck_ | ddalton: no, i mean its vmware server.. not debian at all.. but its still linux.. and I know this channel well. |
| 05:45.28 | bleck_ | feels shame |
| 05:45.34 | ddalton | bleck_: well, you must be running some kind of image? what distro is it? |
| 05:45.55 | ddalton | if its not at all related to debian, just say... no point lying |
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| 05:46.53 | bleck_ | ddalton: no, like.. vmware server runs linux as in the host os, not the guest.. and i'm having issues with it.. its not debian. |
| 05:47.50 | ddalton | bleck_: I don't get it, if you are running your process do you do it in some kind of linux. please cat /etc/debian_version to me... |
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| 05:48.43 | ddalton | if its not debian, what are you asking here for then? |
| 05:49.01 | bleck_ | ddalton: .... oh kill me. |
| 05:49.16 | bleck_ | ddalton: cas its a general linux question. and i know this channel |
| 05:49.27 | ddalton | bleck_: ok, your not serious about solving your problem then? ok. forget it. |
| 05:50.03 | ddalton | so what bloody distro is your system guessed running? |
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| 05:50.55 | bleck_ | ddalton: its not an issue with the guest os, its an issue with the host os, which is running VMware ESX Server 3.. which is basically linux. |
| 05:51.05 | ddalton | can someone that knows how to forward ports from a modem to a router please help me? |
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| 05:51.16 | bleck_ | ddalton: ok, what are you trying to do. |
| 05:51.27 | bleck_ | ddalton: i'll see if I can help. |
| 05:51.50 | bleck_ | ddalton: iptables? |
| 05:52.17 | Kevin` | ddalton: modems generally do not do good at that sort of thing, try to put it in bridge mode |
| 05:52.23 | ddalton | well, I wanna forward all ports from my modem to my router, so I can just control my firewall from the router, and not have to touch the modem to control firewall... so modem should forward everything to router I guess |
| 05:52.50 | bleck_ | ddalton: put the router in the dmz? |
| 05:52.57 | kingsley | infinitycircuit: OK, I did it. apt-get returned a "0" status, but perl complained dozens of times about locale settings, and there were a handful of complaints about "Can not write log, openpty() failed (/dev/pts not mounted?)". |
| 05:53.04 | ddalton | yeah, I want to use iptables with the router that is the point in forwarding it... im blind and a web gui sucks |
| 05:53.29 | bleck_ | ddalton: the router is going to need a wan port to do it |
| 05:53.32 | Kevin` | ddalton: bridge mode, I say, or no-nat mode |
| 05:54.10 | ddalton | yeah, the modem connects to the router through wan I guess. |
| 05:54.18 | ddalton | ok bridge? where is that usually under? |
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| 05:54.32 | bleck_ | ddalton: if the router has a wan port, put the modem in bridge mode, otherwise you'll need to use your linux box as the router (with two net cards) or assign one of your machines to the dmz |
| 05:54.51 | bleck_ | ddalton: look on the back of your router, is one of the ports marked "WAN" ? |
| 05:55.02 | ddalton | well, the router is like a linux box; it runs openwrt |
| 05:55.23 | ddalton | erm... I'm blind. |
| 05:55.32 | bleck_ | ddalton: oops. sorry. |
| 05:55.47 | bleck_ | ddalton: fuck you are good at reading/typung |
| 05:55.51 | ddalton | no worries. |
| 05:55.51 | bleck_ | err. typing |
| 05:56.11 | ddalton | thanks :-) |
| 05:56.23 | ddalton | so... should I try bridge mode? |
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| 05:57.16 | ddalton | bleck_: should I try bridge mode/ where is that usually? advanced? |
| 05:57.28 | bleck_ | ddalton: well.. the problem is.. bridge mode basically duplicates data across interfaces.. so if your modem is in bridge mode, it can't do authentication / pppoe |
| 05:57.52 | ddalton | oh, so I have to do that on the router? |
| 05:57.55 | bleck_ | ddalton: so you can't just connect it to a network, otherwise your other devices won't know what it is. |
| 05:58.01 | ddalton | with my username password and ppoe? |
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| 05:58.37 | bleck_ | ddalton: if your router has a wan port, then you can do it, because the router knows where to look for the modem, and the router performs the authentication / pppoe |
| 05:59.00 | bleck_ | ddalton: why are you originally trying to do this, whats the end result? |
| 05:59.32 | Kevin` | why would a router NOT have a wan port |
| 05:59.33 | bleck_ | ddalton: actually, do you know the model number of your router, i'll tell you if it has a wan port |
| 05:59.34 | ddalton | bleck_: enable ssh, forward ports to the voip ata. |
| 06:00.02 | Kevin` | his router probably has one of those fancy little switches you can split up however you want |
| 06:00.03 | ddalton | bleck_: so I will get some to check if it has wan, if it does do I just have to put user name and passwords in the router? |
| 06:00.06 | bleck_ | Kevin`: depends what type of router I suppose.. but yeah.. i guess in this case it really should |
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| 06:00.48 | ddalton | it probably does, the asus one that can run openwrt, I'm not sure of anything else... |
| 06:00.54 | ddalton | wg500 perhaps? |
| 06:01.04 | bleck_ | ddalton: kevin's right.. it should have a wan port... so you'll need to setup your auth on your router. and set the modem to bridge mode. |
| 06:01.20 | bleck_ | ddalton: as for bridge mode.. there's usually an option somewhere. |
| 06:01.27 | Kevin` | unless the modem has a mode to offer dhcp with the wan ip directly |
| 06:01.28 | ddalton | ok, so auth on router is just username password? |
| 06:01.29 | bleck_ | ddalton: whats the model number of the modem? |
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| 06:01.55 | Kevin` | that's a good deal more convenient then doing pppoe yourself |
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| 06:02.05 | bleck_ | ddalton: yeah.. pretty much.. and either pppoa or pppoe |
| 06:02.08 | ddalton | netcomm nb6 is the modem |
| 06:02.39 | ddalton | ok, can I do that through ssh on opentwrt? |
| 06:02.41 | ddalton | openwrt |
| 06:04.47 | bleck_ | ddalton: i'm not too familiar with openwrt i'm afraid.. |
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| 06:05.33 | Kevin` | I am, but i've never done pppoe |
| 06:05.34 | bleck_ | ddalton: what are you trying to accomplish in the end? you may be able to just put the router in the dmz of the modem. |
| 06:06.14 | ddalton | I just want to be able to control my firewall with iptables in openwrt. |
| 06:06.26 | bleck_ | ddalton: if a dmz is enabled the modem will forward all ports to it. |
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| 06:07.02 | bleck_ | ddalton: so completely bypassing the firewall of the modem, letting you use the openwrt router as the firewall. |
| 06:07.06 | ddalton | oh, and then I can just control the firewall all from my openwrt router? |
| 06:07.32 | bleck_ | ddalton: using a bridge is better, as it gets rid of the modem software altogether, but this seems a lot easier to me. |
| 06:07.51 | bleck_ | ddalton: yes. |
| 06:07.58 | ddalton | ok, and then will I have to use auth on the actual openwrt router? |
| 06:08.26 | bleck_ | ddalton: no, the modem will continue to do auth.. and you'll want to remove any port forwarding from the modem if you use dmz |
| 06:08.45 | kingsley | Are there no longer any AMD kernel packages in unstable named "SMP"? ("SMP" is an acronym for symmetric multi-processing.) |
| 06:09.14 | ddalton | oh, and one more thing before I do this, can it forward pings to the router? so I can control whether to block them openwrt? |
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| 06:09.56 | bleck_ | ddalton: i don't think so.... |
| 06:10.18 | bleck_ | ddalton: no icmp packets will be forwarded i'm pretty sure. |
| 06:11.16 | ddalton | bleck_: so... how can I get it to allow pings and be controled by openwrt? or can dmz allow me to do tcp/udp? |
| 06:11.28 | ddalton | and the only thing ill miss will be |
| 06:11.30 | ddalton | pings |
| 06:13.26 | bleck_ | ddalton: dmz routes packets, so tcp/udp packets. not icmp |
| 06:14.30 | bleck_ | ddalton: so setting the modem with a dmz address, will forward all tcp/udp packets not captured or forwarded by the modem to it. |
| 06:15.02 | bleck_ | ddalton: but if you need icmp, you're going to need to put the modem in bridge mode, and setup pppoe on the wan port of the router |
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| 06:15.34 | bleck_ | needs to do his ccna |
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| 06:17.04 | ddalton | so it will allow me to do everything like ssh and stuff, so its firewall won't block tcp/udp, just pings? |
| 06:17.58 | bleck_ | ddalton: yes |
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| 06:18.46 | bleck_ | ddalton: you generally use a dmz when you want to give the client access to all ports without conflicting it with your private network. |
| 06:18.50 | ddalton | ok, where is dmz usually located? the pdf file I found is broken |
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| 06:19.04 | ddalton | dmz host link? |
| 06:19.11 | ddalton | is that rigt? |
| 06:19.13 | bleck_ | ddalton: yeah. that'd be it |
| 06:19.21 | ddalton | right* |
| 06:19.25 | bleck_ | ddalton: set it to the ip address of your router |
| 06:19.33 | bleck_ | ddalton: the ip that the modem side can see |
| 06:19.45 | bleck_ | ddalton: if you have multiple ips |
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| 06:22.18 | Nyle | !ping |
| 06:22.18 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:22.52 | ddalton | ok, done. |
| 06:23.07 | Sazpaimon_ | how do I set ulimit -c on a screen session that already has an app running? |
| 06:23.33 | bleck_ | ddalton: and you're still here :) |
| 06:24.28 | bleck_ | ddalton: now, check if you can get to a port on your openwrt router |
| 06:25.09 | bleck_ | ddalton: ok, better go, i'm at work.. good luck. |
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| 06:26.58 | ddalton | ok, thanks. |
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| 06:30.24 | Ongavezir | Hallelujja testverek |
| 06:30.54 | Ongavezir | Did any heard about little stupid hunmaat gay? |
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| 06:35.25 | ddalton | are these safe to run on my router? or will i lock myself out? changing 80 to 22... iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth1 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.1.5 |
| 06:35.28 | ddalton | 0:80 |
| 06:35.31 | ddalton | iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -m state --state NEW --dport 80 -i eth1 -j ACCEPT |
| 06:36.01 | infinitycircuit | ddalton: why not write a script that enables them for a minute and then disables them? |
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| 06:36.16 | Sebboh | how can I get a list of packages that provide package x ? |
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| 06:36.47 | infinitycircuit | Sebboh: what do you mean? like a list of mta's or x-www-browsers? |
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| 06:37.18 | Sebboh | well, any package. But in this case it happens to be lynx. |
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| 06:38.05 | Lagbolt | that doesnt make sense |
| 06:38.05 | infinitycircuit | i don't quite understand your question...do you mean find packages that depend on lynx? apt-cache rdepends lynx |
| 06:38.32 | Lagbolt | you want a list of packages that pull in X as dependency? |
| 06:38.47 | ddalton | infinitycircuit: what do you mean? I'm wanting to allow ssh... |
| 06:39.03 | infinitycircuit | ddalton: write a script that does those rules, then sleeps for a minute, then flushes iptables |
| 06:39.21 | infinitycircuit | this presumes you have access prior to running those iptables commands |
| 06:39.21 | Sebboh | Lagbolt, infinitycircuit, I asked the wrong question. Please disregard. |
| 06:39.31 | ddalton | infinitycircuit: why not just run it once and always have open port 22? |
| 06:39.37 | infinitycircuit | ddalton: maybe i am misunderstanding your question |
| 06:40.17 | ddalton | infinitycircuit: I just want to allow ssh in my network,k sao want to forward port 22 from the router to my pc, but still want to be able to log into the router locally. |
| 06:40.36 | infinitycircuit | oh yeah sorry i misunderstood ignore me |
| 06:40.37 | ddalton | ill try it and see... |
| 06:41.07 | Lectus | Hello! what packages come by default if I install debian kde CD? |
| 06:41.18 | Ongavezir | Nincs testver |
| 06:41.24 | Lagbolt | ddalton, if you are on the local network you should be able to access router without worry about open ports from outside |
| 06:41.56 | Lagbolt | so forwarding port to your pc shouldnt affect ability to talk to router from local machine |
| 06:42.24 | TUXKILLAH | WAAAAAAARRRR!!!! |
| 06:42.34 | TUXKILLAH | TUX DEAD |
| 06:42.46 | Sebboh | Lagbolt, infinitycircuit, fyi, turns out that I had install-recommends turned on (for some reason it's on by default on all the lenny boxen I built a couple of months ago, huh.) |
| 06:42.50 | infinitycircuit | TUXKILLAH: you are an obvious troll. please stop |
| 06:42.50 | ddalton | lagbolt, is eth1 the correct port to use for the out side world on asus router running openwrt/ |
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| 06:43.05 | Sebboh | !ops TUXKILLAH. |
| 06:43.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: sebboh complains about: TUXKILLAH. |
| 06:43.13 | infinitycircuit | Sebboh: yeah that new default is never something i like |
| 06:43.15 | TUXKILLAH | :DDDD |
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| 06:43.52 | halflife08 | hello folks, i am looking for a tool that maitains a md5 sum of all the files in the filesystem that i can use to check at intervals, would tripwire be the ones to use or are there other tools ? |
| 06:44.07 | TUXKILLAH | What a holy shit the debian? |
| 06:44.08 | Lagbolt | ddalton, eth1 is not a port, it is an interface and i dont know what the configuration is. depends on your setup. i assume you have 2 NICs? |
| 06:45.04 | ddalton | whats a nic? |
| 06:45.06 | TUXKILLAH | I am not a troll, brotha'. I am you're nightmare! |
| 06:45.07 | Lagbolt | ddalton, wait openwrt? that is firmware for the router? |
| 06:45.25 | ddalton | yep |
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| 06:45.39 | Sebboh | infinitycircuit, echo "APT::Install-Recommends false;" >/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10norecommends <--works for me. |
| 06:45.49 | Lagbolt | ah ddalton i have no experience with that. :( |
| 06:46.15 | Lagbolt | ddalton, they have a good documentation page it looks like |
| 06:46.20 | infinitycircuit | Sebboh: i just change it in the aptitude gui but both methods certainly work |
| 06:46.44 | Lagbolt | ddalton, have you been here? http://downloads.openwrt.org/kamikaze/docs/openwrt.html |
| 06:46.51 | Sebboh | :) What's that, the thing on Ubuntu? :) Anywho, peace a.. |
| 06:46.56 | Sebboh | all even. |
| 06:47.18 | ddalton | thanks, will check it out |
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| 06:48.33 | vdsy | a quick question...running a laptop w/o acpi enabled? how risky is this really? |
| 06:48.43 | infinitycircuit | vdsy: is apm enabled? |
| 06:48.55 | vdsy | either or |
| 06:51.10 | vdsy | cuz im trying to dual boot with deb and freebsd, and i havent read an artcile that says anythign about FreeBSD with a useful acpi or apm |
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| 06:53.40 | et | I installed lenny from a netinstall disk, installed a lot of packages (a list of packages from my former installation), used rcconf to select which daemons to start, rebooted and now everything complains that it doesn't work because / is mounted readonly, what could cause this? |
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| 07:00.24 | mewshi | Hi :) |
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| 07:01.32 | mewshi | http://rafb.net/p/Y55GD595.html <- could someone please help me out here? |
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| 07:02.22 | WormFood | I don't know mewshi...any chance you are out of hard drive space? |
| 07:02.36 | mewshi | I don't think so |
| 07:02.41 | mewshi | how can I check from the command line? |
| 07:02.47 | WormFood | df -h |
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| 07:03.08 | mohadib | did you try apt-get -f install? |
| 07:03.08 | streuner_ | hm, what is that, lenny? |
| 07:03.16 | streuner_ | doesnt help |
| 07:03.25 | mewshi | still 45G empty |
| 07:03.32 | streuner_ | apt-get -f install doesnt help |
| 07:03.49 | mewshi | I have NO clue what's wrong :\ |
| 07:04.03 | mohadib | streuner_: i was talking to mewshi |
| 07:04.10 | wols | et: there is an error message when it tries to mount / |
| 07:04.15 | streuner_ | mewshi: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 07:04.34 | mewshi | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 07:04.34 | WormFood | mewshi, did you add the wrong repository? |
| 07:04.46 | wols | mewshi: you mix packages from dmm and debian itself |
| 07:04.52 | streuner_ | moha: yes |
| 07:05.01 | wols | only get packages from ONE of them, not both |
| 07:05.02 | mewshi | what do I do about that? |
| 07:05.14 | mewshi | just remove it from the source list? |
| 07:05.15 | streuner_ | mewshi: calm down |
| 07:05.18 | wols | no |
| 07:05.21 | streuner_ | too late |
| 07:05.27 | mohadib | hah |
| 07:05.42 | mewshi | I'm not even agitated o.o |
| 07:05.59 | et | wols: i looked for it, but i can't see it, the last message before it starts spitting errors is something about resume and crypto - and remounting it by hand in rw mode works without problems |
| 07:06.02 | streuner_ | your behavior is like a 5 year old kid |
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| 07:06.23 | mewshi | I'm asking what to do to fix it, that's all. |
| 07:06.28 | mewshi | I have no clue how to fix it |
| 07:06.30 | streuner_ | mewshi: first of all read /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:06.30 | wols | et: check dmesg and syslog |
| 07:06.39 | wols | streuner_: he doesn't run sid |
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| 07:07.01 | streuner_ | wols: when are you going to shut up? |
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| 07:07.12 | streuner_ | !sid faq |
| 07:07.13 | dpkg | http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html or http://weda.mine.nu/sidfaq.html (mirror), it doesn't hurt if you read the FAQ, even if you are using testing/lenny... |
| 07:07.14 | wols | streuner_: when you stop talking bullshit |
| 07:07.17 | ddalton | can someone please try sshing me? 203.217.76.63 |
| 07:07.19 | wols | long time waiting of course |
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| 07:07.28 | streuner_ | wols: you have no clue |
| 07:07.30 | WormFood | mewshi, I think your problem is pretty clear from your error messages |
| 07:07.37 | wols | streuner_: I don't. so you know what his problem is? |
| 07:07.39 | streuner_ | read the factoid |
| 07:07.49 | mewshi | the problem isn't clear to me... |
| 07:07.55 | streuner_ | sure, he using testing and have no clue |
| 07:08.02 | mohadib | ddalton: From 203.217.76.63 icmp_seq=4 Packet filtered |
| 07:08.08 | wols | no, he is using dmm and debian that's all |
| 07:08.09 | infinitycircuit | ddalton: ssh: connect to host 203.217.76.63 port 22: No route to host |
| 07:08.12 | Nyle | I'm supposed to wake up in 2 hours |
| 07:08.14 | Nyle | hah |
| 07:08.24 | mohadib | !dmm |
| 07:08.24 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 07:08.34 | wols | and those repos have similar packages with in this case conflict |
| 07:08.40 | mewshi | wols: what do I do about that, then? |
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| 07:08.45 | wols | streuner_: and now please stop talking your bullshit |
| 07:08.50 | streuner_ | mewshi: read the factoid first |
| 07:08.51 | WormFood | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libavutil49_0.svn20080206-8_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 07:08.52 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 07:08.53 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.53 | Einon | I have a problem related to YADA. It says some paragraph does not have source or package line in it, but in the file, i see them. Anyone some idea? http://pastebin.com/d70e27f41 |
| 07:08.55 | WormFood | that isn't clear? |
| 07:09.00 | wols | mewshi: install pacakges from ONLY one of them. multimedia packages that is |
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| 07:09.06 | infinitycircuit | Nyle: haha good luck with that |
| 07:09.15 | ddalton | damn it |
| 07:09.15 | WormFood | where did you find "libavutil49_0.svn20080206-8_i386.deb"? |
| 07:09.20 | mewshi | So, just comment dmm out from the source list? will that work? |
| 07:09.21 | dondelelcaro | WormFood: that's a bug, but you want to use force-overwrite to deal with that. |
| 07:09.23 | wols | WormFood: in dmm |
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| 07:09.36 | dondelelcaro | (since it's a dmm-only bug, iirc) |
| 07:09.41 | WormFood | dondelelcaro, don't tell me, tell mewshi |
| 07:09.49 | ddalton | am I pingable? |
| 07:09.52 | mewshi | hm? |
| 07:10.01 | mohadib | ddalton: no, not really |
| 07:10.01 | wols | dondelelcaro: dmm has libavutil49 afaik. and if you isntall dmm's it will work |
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| 07:10.13 | streuner_ | wols: i don't ask you for help, your behavior isn't acceptable |
| 07:10.16 | mewshi | how do I do that, exactly? |
| 07:10.26 | ddalton | what happens? |
| 07:10.35 | wols | streuner_: no, you tell me to shut up instead while having no clue what happened |
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| 07:10.52 | streuner_ | if somebody helps here, its enough when one person helps. It doesnt help if serveral people try to help then... |
| 07:10.53 | dondelelcaro | wols, streuner_: if you need to have it out with eachother, use /msg, otherwise use /ignore. |
| 07:10.58 | lxsameer | hi , is there any bug in mkinitrd in etch? |
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| 07:11.07 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: there probably are a couple |
| 07:11.30 | streuner_ | dondelelcaro: that doesn't help much, he knows that i dont like that... |
| 07:11.35 | dondelelcaro | lxsameer: but you're almost certainly going to ask about a specific bug that you're having |
| 07:11.42 | mewshi | What am I supposed to do? |
| 07:11.57 | streuner_ | mewshi: we told you twice |
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| 07:12.05 | streuner_ | read the factoid first |
| 07:12.41 | mewshi | and people wonder why linux doesn't catch on quicker... |
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| 07:12.42 | ddalton | erm, am i pingable? |
| 07:13.00 | lxsameer | dondelelcaro: ok . i have compiled kernel 2.6.24 but mkinitrd makes a corrupted initrd.img file so when debian will use new kernel i see a kernel panic. |
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| 07:13.12 | wols | ddalton: no |
| 07:13.18 | mewshi | I ask a few times, do I just comment out dmm, and no one ever answered me |
| 07:13.23 | streuner_ | you need to learn in EVERY OS, if you don't want, you shouldn't run an OS at all |
| 07:13.30 | opera | i'm having problems with bonding on a debian machine, when i try to bring up the interface, it comes up, but with an error: bond0: duplicate address detected! |
| 07:13.39 | opera | anyono know what might be the cause of this? |
| 07:13.45 | wols | mewshi: I answered you twice what to do including if you should comment it out. if you ignore it, I can't help you |
| 07:13.56 | mewshi | I never saw |
| 07:14.02 | mewshi | seriously |
| 07:14.04 | mewshi | i was watching, too |
| 07:14.17 | wols | I was still answering at least twice, seriously |
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| 07:15.00 | mewshi | i don't see it still |
| 07:15.08 | Nyle | infinitycircuit, my flight leaves at 7:30, i gotta be at airport at 6:30, its 3:00 right now, I gotta wake up at 5 |
| 07:15.12 | Nyle | heh |
| 07:15.16 | Nyle | im out, peace people |
| 07:15.24 | mewshi | what am I supposed to do :( |
| 07:15.32 | wols | mewshi: start to read |
| 07:15.33 | mewshi | I am so confused |
| 07:15.54 | wols | you won't get any handholding when you ignore everything you are told by 3 people |
| 07:16.04 | mewshi | I don't want to spend hours reading to fix one damn thing |
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| 07:16.13 | mewshi | i'm tired, I just want to get this fixed |
| 07:16.19 | wols | we don't want to help lazy people who don't want to help themselves |
| 07:16.19 | streuner_ | you need to learn |
| 07:16.30 | mewshi | It's one damn thing on a machine I hardly ever use |
| 07:16.32 | wols | if you want that, buy a MS support contract. they are happy to help then |
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| 07:16.57 | mewshi | i don't even use debian most of the time. All i care about is whether or not it works. |
| 07:17.21 | Nyle | nothing works |
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| 07:17.25 | Nyle | you have to make everything work |
| 07:17.36 | Nyle | computers/software are not AI or psychic |
| 07:17.38 | mohadib | points mewshi at ubuntu |
| 07:17.55 | Nyle | anyway im out! |
| 07:17.56 | Nyle | bye |
| 07:18.10 | streuner_ | mohadib: he using Debian |
| 07:18.17 | mohadib | i know.. |
| 07:18.18 | infinitycircuit | Nyle: set at least 3 alarms |
| 07:18.22 | infinitycircuit | if you are a heavy sleeper |
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| 07:18.23 | infinitycircuit | :) |
| 07:18.32 | entaro | can some one tell me how to grep the directory recursively searching for particular text inside of the files? |
| 07:18.33 | streuner_ | mewshi: ok listen |
| 07:18.42 | streuner_ | use a dirty hack then |
| 07:18.44 | wols | entaro: -r |
| 07:18.53 | mewshi | that's fine, i don't mind dirty hacks at all |
| 07:19.08 | ddalton | am I here? |
| 07:19.12 | ddalton | !hello |
| 07:19.12 | mohadib | hah |
| 07:19.13 | dpkg | Hi, ddalton! |
| 07:19.25 | ddalton | yep i am |
| 07:19.26 | wols | wayttd ddalton? |
| 07:19.32 | mewshi | so, what's this dirty hack, streuner |
| 07:19.32 | wols | wayttd ddalton |
| 07:19.48 | ddalton | wols: ? |
| 07:20.07 | mewshi | streuner_: what is this dirty hack? If it works and doesn't break my whole system, i'm fine. |
| 07:20.10 | wols | ddalton: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:20.26 | ddalton | get ssh to work. |
| 07:20.46 | wols | ddalton: what router? |
| 07:21.14 | streuner_ | mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/libavutil*.* /tmp |
| 07:21.36 | streuner_ | after that, run apt-get -f install |
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| 07:21.51 | mewshi | it didn't help at all |
| 07:21.54 | streuner_ | or better, fix the script :-) |
| 07:22.17 | mewshi | what? |
| 07:22.17 | wols | wonders what script is involved in unpacking a .deb |
| 07:22.43 | streuner_ | ok, just remove those packages which gives you an error then |
| 07:22.54 | streuner_ | !unix lessons |
| 07:22.55 | dpkg | unix lessons is probably (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 07:23.11 | streuner_ | and read (9) |
| 07:23.14 | dokma | hi guys. how do I list the contents of a package installed on my system? |
| 07:23.23 | infinitycircuit | dokma: dpkg -L package |
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| 07:23.26 | wols | dokma: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 07:23.40 | dokma | thank you very much !! you guys are fast :) |
| 07:23.52 | infinitycircuit | wols: why did you get in my way...two people can't help the same person... :) |
| 07:24.07 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 07:24.57 | mewshi | son of a bitch |
| 07:25.31 | mewshi | alright, thanks |
| 07:25.34 | mewshi | later |
| 07:25.40 | mewshi | i'm off to bed now |
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| 07:25.44 | streuner_ | did that help? |
| 07:25.49 | ddalton_ | gives up. |
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| 07:27.14 | streuner_ | prolly not, but you aren't very concentrated if you are tired and have to fix a problem |
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| 07:30.32 | biatche | if your motherboard supports onboard raid, would you use onboard raid or linux raid? |
| 07:30.52 | joltcan | biatche: Linux raid. It will still work if you change motherboard |
| 07:30.56 | henry_nicolas | Hi, I'm now running Iceweasel 3.0 and got a small problem. I can't use button 5 and 6 of my mouse to browse my historic (that used to work with iceweasel 2), any idea why ? |
| 07:31.04 | wols | biatche: linux raid. you mobo has fakeraid,not real raid |
| 07:31.05 | biatche | ty |
| 07:31.18 | joltcan | biatche: And the on-board ones are usually not hardware raids anyway |
| 07:31.34 | wols | biatche: there is one exception however: if you dualboot windows and want to access windows partitions from linux |
| 07:31.53 | biatche | yeah i was told that some 5 years ago, seems like its still the way it was many years back |
| 07:31.56 | wols | this only applies to raid0 and raid5, not raid1 |
| 07:32.05 | wols | biatche: it won't change |
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| 07:35.53 | WormFood | biatche, most of the so called "raid" support on the motherboard, really isn't raid in hardware, but raid in software....just bios raid support |
| 07:35.59 | Lagbolt | !fakeraid |
| 07:36.00 | dpkg | somebody said fakeraid was term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 07:36.25 | biatche | yeb, got it |
| 07:36.30 | ddalton_ | I have just messed with my modem and stuff, can anyone tell me if my connection safe? Or do I have open ports am I at a securety risk. please just nmap my ip or something, so I'm sure its not unsafe. |
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| 07:36.49 | wols | ddalton_: that is not the proper way to check |
| 07:36.54 | wols | ddalton_: use netstat instead |
| 07:37.30 | ddalton_ | wols: ok, can you check me then? |
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| 07:37.44 | WormFood | ddalton_, there are web sites out there that can do that for you |
| 07:37.45 | ddalton_ | just check my ip, its pointless isn't it when im behind the router |
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| 07:37.49 | wols | I tol you that nmap is not the right way. you check yourself with netstat |
| 07:37.57 | wols | no, us checking is pointless |
| 07:37.58 | WormFood | netstat -nlp |
| 07:38.47 | ddalton_ | how come its pointless? isn't it best if someone on the out side world does it? |
| 07:39.14 | wols | cause nmap is not 100% reliable |
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| 07:39.49 | ddalton_ | im ot talking about nmap. surely you guys can just |
| 07:39.59 | ddalton_ | netstat |
| 07:40.03 | mithro | hi! how does one figure why apt-get wants to remove something? |
| 07:40.15 | wols | netstat ONLY works for your local machine. you cannot use netstat on rmeote hosts |
| 07:40.15 | WormFood | ddalton, you type "netstat -nlp" |
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| 07:40.36 | ddalton_ | but I want to check my internet connection not my machine. |
| 07:40.37 | wols | mithro: pastebin the apt command and its output |
| 07:40.39 | ddalton_ | my network. |
| 07:41.04 | wols | ddalton_: if your machine is not listening then there is nothing that's open and accessible |
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| 07:41.18 | wols | only open ports are at risk |
| 07:41.24 | wols | so check your router if you must |
| 07:41.31 | mithro | wols: I'm doing a "apt-get install -f" and it is saying it will remove stuff, I want to know why it thinks it should remove it |
| 07:41.57 | wols | mithro: please do what I asked you |
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| 07:42.21 | ddalton_ | so if I only see 22 53 and 80 open in the router, 80 web interface, 22 ssh for router local and 53 dunno is ok? |
| 07:42.34 | ddalton_ | and roughly same for modem? is that mean its all good? |
| 07:42.50 | wols | ddalton_: you are using nmap yourself. and on the internal router interface. what you described is utterly useless |
| 07:43.06 | mithro | wols: http://paste.debian.net/10836/ |
| 07:43.37 | ddalton_ | ok then |
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| 07:43.47 | wols | mithro: you had an error before which is the readon you ran -f install. what error? |
| 07:44.14 | WormFood | ddalton_, here is a suggestion...run ssh on a non-standard port |
| 07:44.23 | mithro | wols: ahh I see the problem |
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| 07:45.00 | sploodge | Hey, I wasn't sure where to ask, but what's the fastest H.264 codec for Linux? |
| 07:45.05 | sploodge | (that's not CoreAVC) |
| 07:45.53 | wols | !tell sploodge about dmm |
| 07:46.03 | sploodge | Erm, I know. |
| 07:46.09 | sploodge | I need to know the fastest codec. |
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| 07:46.51 | marast | Is it a security risk to do mod_rewrite with out FollowSymlinks links. |
| 07:47.05 | wols | we can tell you the debian seolution. if you don't want that, you are OT here sploodge |
| 07:47.06 | Sazpaimon_ | !qotd0 |
| 07:47.07 | dpkg | <HostilePenguin> your smarter |
| 07:47.10 | Sazpaimon_ | what |
| 07:47.11 | wols | *solution |
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| 07:47.36 | sploodge | wols, I had no idea about where else to ask. -_- |
| 07:47.50 | wols | sploodge: are you running debian? |
| 07:47.59 | sploodge | wols, yeah. |
| 07:48.07 | wols | then dmm it is. done |
| 07:48.31 | sploodge | wols, I've told you, the codec is slooow. |
| 07:48.45 | wols | I've told you: you are OOOOOT |
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| 07:51.23 | long_ | what BT client are you using? Azureus is kinda slow. |
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| 07:52.33 | streuner | apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 07:52.37 | Lagbolt | azureus works nice and fast for me |
| 07:52.48 | Lagbolt | transmission is another good client |
| 07:52.53 | streuner | java crap |
| 07:53.08 | GhostInTheShell | rtorrent is a good one |
| 07:53.12 | long_ | I mean it need many memories |
| 07:53.18 | Iggie | deluge can also work well |
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| 07:53.40 | long_ | which is light? |
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| 07:53.46 | streuner | apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 07:54.12 | WormFood | I use rtorrent also, and rather like it |
| 07:54.13 | Iggie | the lightest? utorrent via WINE |
| 07:54.14 | streuner | !info bittorrent |
| 07:54.27 | WormFood | how does using wine make anything light |
| 07:54.38 | WormFood | and how can using any gui be lighter than a console app? |
| 07:54.48 | dpkg | bittorrent: (Original BitTorent client - console tools), section net, is optional. Version: 3.4.2-11.1 (sid), Packaged size: 95 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 07:55.01 | GhostInTheShell | rtorrent is the best IMHO if you prefer using console |
| 07:55.13 | GhostInTheShell | if you want a fancy GUI torrent client... dunno |
| 07:55.21 | Lagbolt | console clients are nice . . . you can run them in a screen :) |
| 07:55.25 | SPF | uses rtorrent |
| 07:55.36 | SPF | although, I dont get xmlrpc working |
| 07:55.43 | long_ | thank you guys, I will try rtorrent, I love console, :) |
| 07:56.09 | GhostInTheShell | long_, combine it with screen and you will love it |
| 07:56.09 | SPF | there's also a web interface plugin for it |
| 07:56.57 | extor | What kind of PHP needs to go with fastcgi? PHP-CLI or PHP-CGI? In Debian Etch? |
| 07:57.04 | dondelelcaro | extor: php-cgi |
| 07:57.26 | extor | so the php-cgi does not need to have "fast cgi extensions" compiled into it? |
| 07:59.22 | sploodge | I can't seem to compile xine with alsa. |
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| 08:03.41 | streuner | why do you think you need that? |
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| 08:07.17 | dondelelcaro | extor: no. |
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| 08:07.32 | dondelelcaro | (well, actually, iirc, it already has them by default) |
| 08:07.42 | superb0b | can any help me change the fd (inodes) please |
| 08:07.45 | extor | according to the mod-fastcgid page it does |
| 08:07.51 | superb0b | ulimit -n says 1024 |
| 08:08.05 | extor | http://fastcgi.coremail.cn/index.htm <--- right at the bottom of the page |
| 08:08.17 | superb0b | echo /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 08:08.23 | superb0b | says 16384 |
| 08:08.48 | dondelelcaro | extor: it doesn't require it, but it's already enabled, and works. |
| 08:08.57 | dondelelcaro | extor: and that's fcgid, not fastcgi. |
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| 08:09.08 | extor | yeah I installed fcgiD |
| 08:09.09 | dondelelcaro | (though they're very similar) |
| 08:09.24 | extor | So I dont need to alter the php scripts, they will just work out of the box? |
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| 08:09.46 | dondelelcaro | extor: you mean php-cgi? No, you don't need to alter it. |
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| 08:10.08 | extor | Supposing I have a perl script, which was working as a regular cgi...do I need to alter that perl script or will all regular plain perl scripts run unmodded on fastcgi? |
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| 08:11.30 | Almindor | hello, is there a packaging rule regarding the /usr/games dir? I noticed it contains binaries (not links) is this required or can a game put a link there? |
| 08:11.38 | ronr | I'm trying to configure shorewall to allow forwarding from the local net to the local net, adding loc loc ACCEPT to policy doesn't do it, how can I do this? |
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| 08:12.09 | mohadib | why would you forward traffic for the local net from the local net? |
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| 08:12.23 | mohadib | thats what you switch/hub should be doing :s |
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| 08:12.40 | wols | ronr: ip forwarding is set to on? |
| 08:13.04 | spx2 | does the use of quota on a filesystem considerably slows it down ? |
| 08:13.10 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: if it's a game, it should have a binary there or a link to a binary, and the binary shouldn't exist elsewhere in the path. |
| 08:13.19 | Almindor | dondelelcaro, ok, cool |
| 08:13.25 | ronr | mohadib: has to do with port forwarding, I want to forward a port on the shorewall box to a local machine (so connecting to that port from the local net forwards to the local net) |
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| 08:13.34 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: see policy and the FHS for details, if you're lost. |
| 08:13.41 | Almindor | dondelelcaro, I'm currently re-writing config path style etc. to accomodate packaging on multiple platforms so I'm trying to find out the best way |
| 08:14.04 | ronr | wols: yeah, and shorewall logs that it denies the forward |
| 08:14.25 | superb0b | how to change the file descriptors |
| 08:14.27 | wols | so what is in your forward table? |
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| 08:14.39 | wols | superb0b: what filedescriptors? |
| 08:14.53 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: the best way is to read the FHS; that's what it's for |
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| 08:15.20 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: debian almost invariably follows it, but when we don't, you should follow the FHS, and Debian will change it itself |
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| 08:16.07 | BW^- | how do i get libboost 1.34.1 into latest debian etch ? |
| 08:16.10 | BW^- | i really need it |
| 08:16.17 | starz__ | !compile |
| 08:16.18 | ronr | wols: a eth0_fwd and a eth1_fwd target (and reject and log stuff), eth0_fwd has dynamic, smurfs, tcpflags and loc2net, eth1_fwd (which I think it shouldn't use for this) also has norfc1918 |
| 08:16.18 | dpkg | tar -zxvf tarball, cd blah, ./configure, make, make install or install by hand., but for an easier way to compile the kernel, apt-get install kernel-package, or something you should only do if you're SURE there isn't already a debian package that meets your needs, and never into places that could conflict with dpkg |
| 08:16.34 | Almindor | dondelelcaro, well I don't think repositories will pick up my game because it's hard to build (especially the level editor which requires an ide, and cannot be easily auto-built atm.) but I want to pack it in best possible way into .debs to not break any rules |
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| 08:16.38 | superb0b | wols: i mean inodes |
| 08:17.00 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: why does the level editor require an ide to build? |
| 08:17.08 | wols | superb0b: change in what way? |
| 08:17.22 | Almindor | dondelelcaro, because it's written using a beta-level ide which doesn't properly separate it's library aspects yet |
| 08:17.26 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: you should almost certainly fix that to use normal makefiles; possibly automake and/or autoconf) |
| 08:17.39 | Almindor | automake and autoconf are useless for non-C/C++ |
| 08:17.45 | dondelelcaro | hardly |
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| 08:18.08 | Almindor | easily.. |
| 08:18.25 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: what language are you writing this in, anyway? |
| 08:18.34 | Almindor | objective pascal using the free pascal compiler |
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| 08:18.39 | dondelelcaro | oh dear |
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| 08:19.06 | Almindor | you probably know nothing about it so don't start a flame here |
| 08:19.28 | dondelelcaro | Pascal was the second language I learned, so... |
| 08:19.35 | dondelelcaro | (about 20 years ago) |
| 08:19.39 | Almindor | objective pascal is not your daddy's pascal |
| 08:19.43 | wols | dondelelcaro: but in your case probably TP 3.0 or so :P |
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| 08:19.46 | Almindor | think delphi |
| 08:20.00 | Almindor | OOP, metaclasses and whatnot |
| 08:20.01 | dondelelcaro | wols: yes, actually... |
| 08:20.24 | dondelelcaro | yes, the pascal I wrote had real OOP too... |
| 08:20.28 | wols | dondelelcaro: same for me. hated it from the start :P |
| 08:20.38 | Almindor | you mean "object"? that was an archaic mistake |
| 08:20.44 | starz__ | Almindor, what kinda game? |
| 08:20.45 | starz__ | got linky? |
| 08:20.59 | Almindor | it's an arcade shooter http://lwars.sf.net |
| 08:21.02 | Almindor | but the page is ancient :) |
| 08:21.04 | Einon | My yada does not recognize a packages file as valid because it says it cannot find source or package line in the paragraph. but it's there. Further info: http://pastebin.com/d70e27f41 |
| 08:21.08 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; it's your time, your fun. I just wouldn't suggest it personally |
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| 08:22.14 | Almindor | I don't really care much about your suggestions about languages, currently the game is "local hosted", it creates a config in $HOME or $HOMEDRIVE\$HOMEDIR but has everything around the binary, that's why I asked about the symlink in games dir |
| 08:23.09 | Almindor | starz__, you should try it from SVN if you want to give it a try, the version on that page is ancient, svn has binaries for linux in it (for friends who are too lazy) |
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| 08:24.14 | DawnLight | hello |
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| 08:24.57 | dondelelcaro | (and frankly, I'd be surprised if you'll find many people who still code in pascal; there are almost no new libraries being written in it) |
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| 08:25.07 | Almindor | dondelelcaro, o rly? |
| 08:25.28 | Almindor | dondelelcaro, see #fpc, #glscene, #lazarus-ide http://www.pascalgamedevelopment.com and a few others :) |
| 08:25.38 | DawnLight | can anyone answer http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/07/msg00274.html ? |
| 08:25.50 | Almindor | it's not mainstream that's for sure, but OOP pascal is being used |
| 08:25.54 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: oh, there definetly are still people, but it's not terribly popular |
| 08:25.57 | Almindor | hedgewars is written in it too |
| 08:26.07 | Almindor | popularity has nothing to do with quality :P |
| 08:26.13 | Almindor | I mean just look at windows |
| 08:26.31 | dondelelcaro | Almindor: sure, but it does have to do with maintainability, community, and existing codebase |
| 08:26.38 | Almindor | yes I don't argue that one |
| 08:26.43 | Almindor | but fpc can use C level api easily |
| 08:26.58 | Almindor | so I can use C libraries with minimal fuzz (there's even a .h converter) |
| 08:27.03 | Almindor | C++ is another beast tho |
| 08:27.32 | Almindor | I wouldn't start a 3d game in fpc, I'd probably go with ogre3d |
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| 08:27.35 | superb0b | any one know how to change the inode/filedescriptor ? |
| 08:27.55 | superb0b | i have change the fs.file-max in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 08:28.00 | dondelelcaro | superb0b: those are two totally separate things |
| 08:28.10 | dondelelcaro | superb0b: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 08:28.25 | superb0b | change filedescriptor for squid |
| 08:28.40 | superb0b | wanna increase the max open file limit |
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| 08:28.50 | simonrvn | /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 08:29.35 | dondelelcaro | superb0b: so set fs.file-max and fs.inode-max appropriately in sysctl.conf; man proc; and man sysctl.conf; for details |
| 08:30.10 | superb0b | yea changed that but squid is still showing ulimit -n 1024 |
| 08:30.44 | DawnLight | i am installing using the first dvd and i have the other two also. i'm using preseed to specify, amongst other things, a list of packages to be installed. thing is, i want it to install those packages from the dvd's that i have here, not just go and fetch them from the mirror... how can i do this? i've found that i can add more mirrors in preseed but those are http/ftp/(file perhaps); is it possible to add cd/dvd also? |
| 08:31.26 | streuner | hm |
| 08:31.42 | micols | anyone compiled gimp 2.5.x from scratch? |
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| 08:31.54 | DawnLight | is the cd/dvd ejen ejectable during installation? |
| 08:32.05 | tapas | debian 4.0 = what release name? |
| 08:32.05 | DawnLight | s/ejen/even/ |
| 08:32.11 | DawnLight | tapas: etch |
| 08:32.14 | streuner | !4.0 |
| 08:32.14 | dpkg | from memory, 4.0 is Etch |
| 08:32.24 | tapas | ah ok |
| 08:32.25 | tapas | thanks.. |
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| 08:32.34 | tapas | i need boost 1.34 on an etch system |
| 08:32.39 | tapas | no backport seems to exist |
| 08:32.49 | tapas | what is the best strategy to get it there? |
| 08:33.48 | DawnLight | !tell tapas about ssb |
| 08:33.53 | micols | i cannot compile gimp with apt, it needs a more recent version of debhelper |
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| 08:34.21 | DawnLight | tapas: you can ask for a backport in the mailing list if your karma is good |
| 08:34.44 | micols | any idea why there are no gimp backports? |
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| 08:37.19 | simonrvn | so get the source package, fixe it for etch, then build it |
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| 08:37.40 | simonrvn | fix* |
| 08:37.53 | wols | simonrvn: debhelper is evil to backport or so I heard |
| 08:37.58 | usar` | hi. is there some package I can install to get all DSAs in a nicely grepable format? |
| 08:38.17 | simonrvn | eh, probably nothing unusual in there |
| 08:38.17 | wols | usar`: subscibe to them via mailinglist |
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| 08:38.51 | usar` | wols: I already am, but that only gives me new ones, obviously |
| 08:38.56 | usar` | wols: I want all of them |
| 08:40.00 | wols | I don't know of any package |
| 08:40.06 | wols | wget security.debian.org... |
| 08:41.00 | usar` | wols: what is there to wget? |
| 08:41.25 | usar` | wols: other than downloading the whole site recursivly |
| 08:41.27 | wols | the DSAs |
| 08:41.35 | wols | bingo! |
| 08:41.59 | usar` | wols: if I wanted to go that way, using wget on the debian-security-announce archives would probably be better |
| 08:42.10 | usar` | wols: but I don't find that acceptable either |
| 08:42.27 | usar` | wols: there must be a way to get them in a nicer format? |
| 08:43.07 | wols | there must be someone who gives me a pony too. somehow I still don't have one :( |
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| 08:43.23 | moshii | Is there a compatibility module or something for python 2.5 to make crappy legacy apps run? |
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| 08:59.00 | sorear | I have a weird problem (PEBKAC no doubt); I'm trying to set up a mixed system, libcups2-1.3.7-8 and libcups2-gnutls10 are both trying to create /usr/lib/libcups.so.2. apt-get says I need both (samba on one side, libgtk2 on the other), dpkg won't allow this, and I can't figure out how to get the system back in a sane state? |
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| 08:59.29 | wols | sorear: the keyword is "mixed system" |
| 08:59.33 | wols | !tell sorear about bobbitt |
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| 09:00.07 | sorear | wols: Figures. Any way to fix the damage? |
| 09:00.23 | wols | uninstall the packages from the branch you don't want |
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| 09:01.13 | nirupama | is debian going with open jdk |
| 09:01.21 | nirupama | I mean is java now opensource |
| 09:01.23 | nirupama | in debian |
| 09:01.25 | nirupama | free |
| 09:01.29 | nirupama | GNU licensed |
| 09:02.08 | sorear | grumbles and attempts to untangle the mess |
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| 09:02.55 | micols | anyone who can help me compile gimp 2.4 or above for etch? |
| 09:03.27 | micols | i cannot get it to compile no matter what i do, tried versions of babl, gegl dependencies and modifying debhelper dependency requirement in the package |
| 09:03.53 | wols | nirupama: not yet. it's not fully open sourced yet |
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| 09:04.09 | nirupama | wols, so it cant be distributed now |
| 09:04.56 | wols | no |
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| 09:05.06 | jelly-home | sorear: remove and rebuild one of the packages in question, or upgrade both to version in (whatever the newer release you're using) |
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| 09:06.04 | sorear | jelly-home: upgrading both is what I tried first (in the form of mentioning both in the same apt-get install)... |
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| 09:08.11 | jelly-home | sorear: did you explicitely tell apt which versions to install (or which release to install from)? apt-get install foo=1.2 bar=1.414; or apt-get install foo/testing bar/testing |
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| 09:09.00 | sorear | jelly-home: I explicitly told it the wrong way. |
| 09:09.15 | marast | How do I pipe find through to chmod i.e. |
| 09:09.22 | marast | find -type d | chmod g+s |
| 09:09.26 | sorear | xargs |
| 09:09.28 | marast | is it xargs or something? |
| 09:09.32 | marast | Ah okay. |
| 09:09.43 | jelly-home | !tell marast about using find |
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| 09:09.49 | joltcan | find . -type d -exec chmod g+s {} \; |
| 09:09.50 | sorear | xargs translates between stdin and argv |
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| 09:10.25 | marast | Thanks chaps. |
| 09:10.31 | marast | I ALWAYS get it wrong. |
| 09:10.43 | jelly-home | marast: you'll _really_ want to use -print0 for find and -0 for xargs, or use joltcan's less effective solution |
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| 09:11.09 | marast | I want to set the sticky bit on all directories and subdirectories in my /var/www folder |
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| 09:11.26 | joltcan | I just wanted to show the find solution. Doing it with xargs is probably better in the long run |
| 09:11.33 | jelly-home | setgid != sticky :-) |
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| 09:11.49 | marast | Why is xargs better than exec? |
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| 09:12.23 | [ShapeShifter] | hi |
| 09:12.52 | marast | Why is xargs better than exec? |
| 09:13.02 | jelly-home | marast: read using find. |
| 09:13.27 | mquin | marast: xargs will (unless told otherwise) pass the maximum number of filenames possible to your command |
| 09:13.39 | mquin | so it will execute it the minium number of times, rather than once for every file |
| 09:13.40 | joltcan | marast: because just using find tend to break with funny characters in the name |
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| 09:14.18 | jelly-home | joltcan: um, funny characters will work with your command! |
| 09:14.20 | sorear | because it's easier to remember |
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| 09:15.02 | marast | Cool |
| 09:15.04 | marast | Thanks guys! |
| 09:15.12 | marast | I love little scripts like that |
| 09:15.16 | marast | SOOOOOOO useful |
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| 09:16.07 | tapas | so how do i ask dpkg how to use it? |
| 09:16.23 | marast | reads http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 09:16.23 | tapas | aaah |
| 09:16.29 | tapas | nick wasn't identified |
| 09:17.01 | tapas | i wonder: can i use a different libc in a chroot? |
| 09:17.17 | mquin | tapas: yes |
| 09:17.18 | wols | yes |
| 09:17.33 | tapas | aaah :) |
| 09:17.37 | tapas | this might make things easier |
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| 09:18.03 | sheri | what is knol? http://www.knoldictionary.org/member/ |
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| 09:18.06 | tapas | so i'll just debootstrap an ubuntu system into a chroot. we are forced to keep a debian system because of a binary only kernel driver |
| 09:18.09 | sheri | what is knol? http://www.knoldictionary.org/member/ |
| 09:18.18 | tapas | but the rest of our envoronment is ubuntu |
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| 09:19.04 | sheri | hi |
| 09:19.23 | wols | !ops sheri is spamming |
| 09:19.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: sheri is spamming |
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| 09:21.33 | superb0b | ./proc/sys/fs/file-max showing 20480 but ulimit -n showing 1024, how to set ulimit at boot time ? |
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| 09:22.15 | {12}0Gr | Greetings everyone |
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| 09:29.12 | sorear | superb0b: I'm pretty sure that's a function of PAM, try fiddling with /etc/security/limits.conf (log in to test) |
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| 09:35.21 | DawnLight | how do i make a floppy image with an empty vfat in it? |
| 09:35.59 | wols | DawnLight: dd the file to the correct size and then mkfs it with vfat |
| 09:36.32 | DawnLight | wols: what is the correct size? i'm talking about a 1.44mb floppy |
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| 09:37.34 | wols | DawnLight: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk_format#Known_disk_logical_formats |
| 09:38.01 | et | since one reason given for not using the nvidia installer is "it will break when there is a kernel or X update", how does "the debian way" handle those cases? |
| 09:38.13 | inigo | DawnLight, dd if=/dev/zero of=yourfile bs=1k count=1440 && mkfs.vfat -I yourfile |
| 09:38.26 | visik7 | how can I get a list of files in my system that aren't come from a deb package ? |
| 09:39.04 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 09:40.10 | aronofsky | hi, I got a problem with a script shell tryin tu use reurn of a fonction , idid the following : MAC=normalize_arp ${L[0]} , the function return a string ( arp adress ) and i got the following error : "line 21: 0:18:8b:6c:8a:e3: command not found" |
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| 09:41.10 | inigo | MAC="$( normalize_arp ${L[0]} )" ? |
| 09:41.54 | aronofsky | inigo: return: 0:18:8b:6c:8a:e3: numeric argument required |
| 09:41.57 | wols | visik7: not possible. debian packages make user files too which would be listed in that list as well |
| 09:42.03 | jelly-ho | aronofsky: how does the function "return" it? |
| 09:42.19 | inigo | use echo instead of return |
| 09:42.20 | aronofsky | return $1 |
| 09:42.39 | inigo | return is for exit codes |
| 09:42.45 | inigo | not for strings output |
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| 09:43.56 | inigo | and upercase letters in variables is for environment variables, for the rest use lowercase (POSIX) |
| 09:44.00 | stmaher | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:44.14 | jelly-ho | inigo: now that's just convention |
| 09:44.19 | inigo | yes |
| 09:44.19 | aronofsky | inigo: ok it works , thx |
| 09:44.23 | stmaher | woops |
| 09:44.51 | inigo | jelly-ho, and why don't follow conventions ? |
| 09:44.52 | jelly-ho | stmaher: sounds like a password change is required! |
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| 09:46.13 | aronofsky | inigo: another script question, but I got the mac adress that is formated like that : 0:4:75:76:7:cf ... I want to add the missing 0 ... what would be the simplier to do that for you ? |
| 09:46.17 | jelly-ho | inigo: http_proxy is a common env.var. that doesn't follow |
| 09:46.34 | stmaher | jelly-ho, sh*t ive lost my key.. |
| 09:46.48 | stmaher | jelly-ho, dont suppose you know how to recover my password key? |
| 09:46.56 | jelly-ho | aronofsky: try #bash |
| 09:47.23 | jelly-ho | stmaher: I don't even _know_ what is a password key... #freenode? |
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| 09:48.48 | inigo | aronofsky,where the 0 is losed ? |
| 09:49.35 | inigo | aronofsky, as said by jelly-ho this is better in #bash channel... and a pastebin of the script will help |
| 09:49.38 | aronofsky | inigo , first tw field , but it could be anywhere , the result i want is : 00:04:75:76:7:cf |
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| 09:50.00 | inigo | 0$MAC ? |
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| 09:50.32 | inigo | instead of being adding a 0... try to fix and don't lose the 0 before |
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| 09:52.25 | aronofsky | inigo: actualy I get it from the dat file of arpwatch, and it seems you cant modify the outpu format |
| 09:52.58 | dahrens | hi, anyone is fit with iptables and keepalived? |
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| 09:53.07 | inigo | sorry, i necer use arpwatch... it output macs whitout the first 0 ? |
| 09:53.11 | inigo | *never |
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| 09:54.32 | DawnLight | i'm telling d-i in the boot "install file=/floppy/preseed" and it doesn't find the file. after checking, it doesn't seem to mount the floppy... how can i then use a floppy for preseeding if it doesn't mount it? |
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| 10:00.11 | inigo | errrr DawnLight maybe preseed/file=blabla |
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| 10:00.31 | ribasushi | yo |
| 10:00.54 | ribasushi | after the latest apache upgrade I started getting Warning: SuexecUserGroup directive requires SUEXEC wrapper. |
| 10:00.57 | ribasushi | what is this about? |
| 10:01.03 | ribasushi | google does not turn up anything useful |
| 10:01.08 | ribasushi | and everything seems to work correctly |
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| 10:02.27 | moshii | ribasushi: does it not say anything in /usr/share/doc/apache-something ? |
| 10:02.36 | DawnLight | inigo: actually, it does find the file after network configuration. i thought that it didn't find the file because i'd expected it to look for it first thing before asking me any questions because it is in a floppy, via the floppy parameter and not the url parameter. but it still acts like this |
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| 10:03.13 | sorear | wols: thanks, system's fully working now |
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| 10:03.21 | tingle | whats a better wm FLUXbox or OPENbox? i really like stability so i think thats a good factor |
| 10:03.28 | DawnLight | wols: perhaps you know ? ^ |
| 10:03.31 | ribasushi | apache2-mpm-prefork/NEWS.Debian.gz |
| 10:03.34 | ribasushi | moshii++ |
| 10:04.01 | wols | DawnLight: no |
| 10:04.18 | avu | tingle, they are both fairly mature and stable |
| 10:04.19 | jelly-ho | aronofsky: like this? perl -e 'printf "%02x:"x5 . "%02x\n", split /:/, $ARGV[0]' 0:0:0:0:3:4 |
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| 10:04.44 | inigo | DawnLight, don't know, i always use url... also i'm reading that "file" is fina as bootparameter (it is translated to preseed/file) |
| 10:04.52 | inigo | fine |
| 10:05.11 | avu | tingle, fluxbox comes with a simple panel, openbox doesn't. fluxbox uses custom text formats for configuration, openbox uses XML |
| 10:05.20 | DawnLight | i've tried using file so that i won't have to answer the country/language stuff |
| 10:05.22 | avu | tingle, those are the most noticable differences IMHO |
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| 10:05.25 | cr3 | hi |
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| 10:05.40 | DawnLight | this goes to the mailing list |
| 10:05.43 | akatsuki | hi |
| 10:06.13 | akatsuki | does anybody try debian on the eeepc? |
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| 10:06.20 | akatsuki | or have idea if its running good? |
| 10:06.30 | wols | !eeepc |
| 10:06.30 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 10:06.33 | cr3 | what path to write in flashplayer installer prompt, if i use iceweasel? it says /usr/lib/iceweasel is incorrect! |
| 10:06.43 | wols | cr3: what installer? |
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| 10:06.48 | wols | !tell cr3 about flash |
| 10:06.55 | wols | cr3: debian has no flash installer |
| 10:07.10 | cr3 | wols: i downloaded from adobe tar.gz, and it was there |
| 10:07.13 | cr3 | a script |
| 10:07.23 | akatsuki | where can i get the debian version for eeepc? |
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| 10:07.28 | moshii | wols: flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 10:08.18 | moshii | akatsuki: I've got a funny feeling google would help you |
| 10:08.42 | wols | cr3: use the debian packages. if you use adobe.com stuff, ask adobe for support |
| 10:08.54 | inigo | DawnLight, country/language stuf may be preseeded also whit "url" preseeds, the same example does it ok |
| 10:09.02 | cr3 | i tried Gnash before, but when i opened a site containing flash, there was no flash content |
| 10:09.10 | cr3 | wols: ^ |
| 10:09.19 | ribasushi | cr3; use the non-free debian package |
| 10:09.20 | inigo | DawnLight, may be you need to use: auto file=blabla (auto instead of install) |
| 10:09.27 | ribasushi | it integrates much cleaner |
| 10:09.37 | DawnLight | inigo: you mean... i'll try that. |
| 10:09.38 | ribasushi | (and ignore the folk recommending gnash) |
| 10:09.44 | k-man__ | does ddr2 ram have to be used in pairs of sticks? |
| 10:09.45 | cr3 | ribasushi: ok... |
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| 10:10.56 | cr3 | so, what is libflash-mozplugin for? |
| 10:11.06 | MacGyverNL | Anyone who can help me troubleshoot an autogen.sh error? "the serial number must appear before any macro definition" on the line "# serial 6 AC_LIB_LTDL" |
| 10:11.24 | MacGyverNL | I have no idea what to look for. |
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| 10:11.44 | wols | k-man__: ##hardware |
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| 10:12.12 | k-man__ | wols: i asked there but they are all sleeping |
| 10:12.45 | moshii | k-man__: that's not really an excuse for asking here ;) |
| 10:13.01 | k-man__ | i guess not |
| 10:13.06 | k-man__ | but you know |
| 10:13.10 | k-man__ | i thought someone here might know |
| 10:13.15 | moshii | k-man__: again, I think google or your motherboard manual would help in this case |
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| 10:13.48 | tapas | ok, can't mount /proc to the chroot.. kernel too old.. |
| 10:13.50 | tapas | oh well |
| 10:14.11 | wols | tapas: bind mount |
| 10:14.23 | moshii | k-man__: I believe pairing is to do with the width of the memory and the width of the data bus, or if you want some sort of dual port/dual channel setup.. motherboard manual would know what is best for it |
| 10:14.44 | k-man__ | moshii: thanks |
| 10:14.56 | steven_ | moshii: is paring not for memory fail over ? |
| 10:15.11 | tapas | wols: ok, makes sense.. |
| 10:15.20 | steven_ | moshii: RAM mirroing ? or have i got the wrong end of the stick |
| 10:15.24 | wols | steven_: ##hardware |
| 10:15.34 | wols | steven_: very wrong |
| 10:15.44 | moshii | steven_: you wouldn't have that sort of thing in desktop hardware anyhow |
| 10:15.57 | wols | moshii: raid1 for memory! |
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| 10:16.04 | steven_ | moshii: ah sorry though you were on about a server |
| 10:16.10 | wols | moshii: not even servers have this (they use ECC instead) |
| 10:16.30 | DawnLight | inigo: it does really not ask me about the language and country. but i'll have to see what it actually did with those parameters |
| 10:16.37 | steven_ | moshii: never seen pairing before ? mirrong hot standby yes but not pairing :) |
| 10:16.41 | moshii | wols: yeah, I'm not sure there are any systems that can eject bad memory from the system.. |
| 10:17.09 | steven_ | wols: they do? we have both active mirroring and hot swap ram |
| 10:17.29 | moshii | steven_: You could have a mirror of the memory and as soon as an error is detected reject the bad memory, but I've never seen it |
| 10:17.30 | steven_ | HP insight servers provide this functionality |
| 10:17.43 | inigo | DawnLight, I use to use the preseed example, whit spanish variables, and the result is ok |
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| 10:18.20 | inigo | DawnLight, also, when I preseed whit spanish and I want to use a predefined partitioning recipe, I have to use "spanish strings" to define the partman recipe |
| 10:18.28 | moshii | steven_: you would have thought ram should be of a decent quality though.. it's not like it has moving parts that can fail over time |
| 10:18.46 | psteyn | I have a machine with this in the root's cron: su -c "/usr/bin/scp -i /root/.ssh/id_dsa root@tt-wap14:/tmp/*.png /var/www/html/stats/" and it fails with "Permission denied (publickey,password,keyboard-interactive)." |
| 10:18.51 | psteyn | running it manually does work though |
| 10:18.53 | psteyn | any idea? |
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| 10:19.27 | Xjs | back |
| 10:19.28 | moshii | psteyn: why do you need to the su -c? |
| 10:19.28 | steven_ | moshii: true but in enterprise critical systems it's nice to know it's there :) |
| 10:19.51 | psteyn | moshii: without it it doesnt work either :p |
| 10:20.16 | DawnLight | this auto thing misconfigured the network. i don't know how it would do that |
| 10:20.29 | moshii | steven_: or have the application distributed across different hardware so that you can properly investigate when a machine starts getting rare problems like memory failure ;) |
| 10:20.53 | Xjs | back |
| 10:21.11 | inigo | DawnLight, static or dhcp ? |
| 10:21.29 | moshii | psteyn: well if you're already root why would you need to su? I reckon it's got something to do with the environment when that command is run from cron missing something that is available from a proper shell, paths etc |
| 10:21.30 | MacGyverNL | Can anyone tell me what the error "acinclude.m4:6193: the serial number must appear before any macro definition |
| 10:21.30 | MacGyverNL | " even means? |
| 10:21.39 | inigo | DawnLight, can you paste your preseed in pastebin ? |
| 10:21.50 | DawnLight | inigo: sure |
| 10:22.39 | moshii | psteyn: also, why do you need to specify that key? try running ssh with the -v switch and check what happens when cron runs it.. |
| 10:22.47 | DawnLight | inigo: http://pastebin.ca/1069029 |
| 10:23.05 | psteyn | ok moshii, ill try |
| 10:23.08 | tapas | ok, now it's "kernel too old" |
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| 10:23.15 | tapas | upon chroot :) |
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| 10:23.23 | dan__ | Hi, I've got some earphones plugged in the green jack, I'd like to get sound working |
| 10:23.31 | dan__ | How could I go about doing this, firstly? |
| 10:23.34 | inigo | DawnLight, may be you have all network stuff commented |
| 10:23.52 | dan__ | The sound controls are apparently fine |
| 10:23.54 | tapas | i guess different libc versions make life difficult |
| 10:23.54 | inigo | :) |
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| 10:24.14 | solars | hey, does anyone know a shell cmd 'trim', and where to get it? :) |
| 10:24.15 | sorear | dan__: sound controls? You checked with alsamixer? |
| 10:24.35 | DawnLight | inigo: inigo there's only one interface. when these lines are not specified it just dhcp's this interface |
| 10:24.45 | sorear | solars: this sounds like a job for packages.debian.org, it will be a package with a file whose name ends in bin/trim |
| 10:24.50 | dan__ | sorear: sorry, as in Gnome sound controls |
| 10:24.54 | dan__ | Volume applet |
| 10:25.01 | solars | sorear, thx |
| 10:25.31 | moshii | trim is in coreutils isn't it? |
| 10:25.59 | inigo | DawnLight, may be you need d-i netcfg/choose_interface select auto uncommented |
| 10:26.14 | DawnLight | inigo: i only have one |
| 10:26.19 | solars | moshii, hm I don't seem to have it |
| 10:26.29 | inigo | try or try also: d-i netcfg/disable_dhcp boolean false |
| 10:26.42 | DawnLight | anyway, i don't even understand what this 'auto' thing does |
| 10:27.00 | dan__ | sorear: alsamixer shows it all to be fine |
| 10:27.19 | moshii | solars: hmm I can't find it with apt-file either |
| 10:27.24 | inigo | DawnLight, B.2.3 on the apendix B of the installer |
| 10:27.28 | DawnLight | inigo: http://hands.com/d-i/ |
| 10:27.32 | solars | moshii, hmm, some shellscript needs it, weird |
| 10:27.33 | DawnLight | this, actually |
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| 10:34.05 | peka | How can I check if dhcp is running on my client? I'm running with two if's on VMware, but for some reason one of the if's "loose" their set ip-addr. after a short while for some 169.254.x.x :S |
| 10:34.27 | wols | peka: dmesg, syslog |
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| 10:34.40 | DawnLight | peka: do you know /etc/network/interface? |
| 10:34.46 | ootput | hi, what's the relevant factoid for etch->lenny upgrade? |
| 10:34.48 | DawnLight | peka: do you know /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 10:35.01 | peka | dawnlight, yes. been there, done that :) |
| 10:35.11 | wols | !etch->lenny |
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| 10:36.38 | ootput | urgh, aptitude is taking a while to 'Resolving dependencies' after a sources update to lenny |
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| 10:38.32 | peka | wols: ty. looks like it's still running. is there an easy way to shut it of/remove it? |
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| 10:38.59 | wols | peka: kill it |
| 10:39.36 | peka | but after a reboot it will come up again then right? |
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| 10:40.29 | ootput | how do count the total number of packages available in lenny repo? |
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| 10:42.13 | wols | peka: see the talk about interfaces file |
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| 10:43.07 | inigo | ootput, apt-cache dumpavail | grep -e "^Package:" | wc -l |
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| 10:46.34 | ootput | holy shit >20K |
| 10:46.55 | ootput | guess i'll just have to wait for aptitude to finish resolving dependencies |
| 10:46.59 | ootput | inigo: thanks |
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| 10:48.01 | slobad23 | slackware and opensuse have box sets with documentation - does debian offer something similar, or is it just a case of downloading or buying individual dvd's? |
| 10:48.36 | ootput | I'm not aware of any 'box' but there are cd/dvd bundles |
| 10:48.52 | ootput | documentation is electronic |
| 10:49.01 | slobad23 | thanks output |
| 10:49.14 | ootput | no worries, yanky |
| 10:49.22 | wols | slobad23: http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/ |
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| 10:49.25 | slobad23 | i want to use debian over slackware because i have been told that hardware detection and support is better in debain - is this true? |
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| 10:49.37 | berzerka | how can i easily convert a relative filename to an absolute pathname? like basename, but the other way around. |
| 10:49.41 | wols | slobad23: we wouldn' know |
| 10:49.45 | slobad23 | yanky? im a brit :-) |
| 10:50.06 | ootput | slobad23: slackware is pretty far behind the major distributions.. always has been. Detection isn't so great as the feature (more often than not) is not supported in the kernel |
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| 10:50.39 | sorear | berzerka: if you are certain it's relative, `pwd`/$file |
| 10:51.01 | rsk | ootput: afaik debian has 2.6.18 kernel and slackware has at least 2.6.24 i think |
| 10:51.07 | rsk | so that's not true |
| 10:51.35 | berzerka | sorear: hmm, yeah, that's more or less what i do atm, but i though there must be a way to omit concatenating the two parts by hand.. |
| 10:52.38 | slobad23 | so slackware is far behind - why does it have so many fan boys? debian just a slower moving giant than slack? |
| 10:52.44 | berzerka | sorear: what do i want to do? i have a shell open where i execute an executable. then i emacs i enter gdb mode, and need to supply the executables full pathname. would be great if i could just "absname $my_executable" and paste the output into emacs. |
| 10:53.03 | berzerka | well i guess i will write a shell function for it.. |
| 10:53.05 | sorear | apropos path -> man 1 realpath |
| 10:53.30 | berzerka | well.. i don't intend to write a program for this :) |
| 10:53.34 | berzerka | but thanks! |
| 10:56.26 | sorear | man 1 realpath |
| 10:56.30 | sorear | 1 = already written |
| 10:57.01 | sorear | 2-4 are the you-need-to-write-something |
| 10:57.06 | sorear | 2-5 |
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| 10:58.25 | berzerka | sorear: yeah but it is a C function, i don't want to compile a program just for this. |
| 10:58.43 | berzerka | absname () { echo `pwd`/$1 } in .bashrc works fine :) |
| 10:58.51 | ootput | rsk: really? |
| 10:59.01 | rsk | ootput: yea? |
| 10:59.20 | sorear | berzerka: no, man 1 means it is a shell command |
| 10:59.32 | ootput | :) |
| 10:59.37 | sorear | berzerka: if I had said man 3 basename, it would be a C function |
| 10:59.49 | berzerka | sorear: oh, you are right. but: man 1 realpath No manual entry for realpath in section 1 |
| 11:00.07 | ootput | slobad23: how'd you manage packages? |
| 11:00.14 | berzerka | sorear: can you find out to which package the file belongs on your system? |
| 11:00.24 | peka | is there a way to load /etc/network/interfaces without rebooting? |
| 11:00.40 | sorear | berzerka: er, 'realpath' it turns out |
| 11:00.41 | ootput | peka: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 11:01.13 | berzerka | sorear: oh well :) no need to install a package, if the shell one-liner does it. also more portable. thank you! |
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| 11:01.44 | berzerka | peka: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 11:01.50 | berzerka | oh |
| 11:01.55 | berzerka | :) |
| 11:02.14 | peka | thanks :D |
| 11:02.31 | peka | both of you ;) |
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| 11:03.27 | sorear | peka: In general, if at first glance you need a reboot, look in /etc/init.d for good-looking files and call them with restart as only argument |
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| 11:03.34 | sping | hello, i'm pkg maintainer of herrie (http://packages.debian.org/sid/herrie) |
| 11:03.50 | sping | can anybody help me find out why it doesn't migrate to testing? |
| 11:04.07 | wols | !why is herrie not in testing |
| 11:04.08 | dpkg | herrie is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=herrie |
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| 11:04.34 | bono | hey:debian friends |
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| 11:04.48 | bono | if i would like to be sid |
| 11:04.54 | sping | thanks bot but i knew that far already |
| 11:05.07 | bono | just modify thw sourcelist and do a upgrad |
| 11:05.17 | bono | and every thing ok? |
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| 11:06.32 | sping | wols: can you help me? |
| 11:06.58 | wols | sping: I just did |
| 11:07.04 | wols | READ it! |
| 11:07.18 | sping | wols: libspiff is back in testing |
| 11:07.27 | sping | wols: what else do i need to do? |
| 11:07.27 | wols | sping: fucking read it dammit! |
| 11:07.36 | bono | @@ |
| 11:07.49 | wols | you need to trust dpkg here since he is about a billion times smarter than you and follow what it tells you |
| 11:07.55 | bono | this chanel take RTFM style? |
| 11:08.17 | wols | !tell bono about sid faq |
| 11:08.30 | bono | YES! |
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| 11:08.36 | bono | i have read that FAQ |
| 11:08.49 | bono | i jsut do a confirm to ask people |
| 11:08.55 | sping | wols: i don't see any more lines related to herrie |
| 11:09.08 | wols | sping: go to the URL dpkg gave you. NOW |
| 11:09.19 | wols | what does it say? |
| 11:09.32 | Lagbolt | was looking at xen and says the lenny xen kerns are to be run as domu and that the hypervisor is compiled to work with 2.6.18 . . .if i apt-get source the hypervisor and buildpackage on it will it then compile against 2.6.24 kern and work in lenny? |
| 11:09.36 | streuner1 | be more friendly to user, we aren't care HOW you act with regulars... |
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| 11:10.50 | sping | wols: i don't see anything of value there |
| 11:10.59 | wols | sping: answer me: what does it say? |
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| 11:11.46 | et | since one reason given for not using the nvidia installer is "it will break when there is a kernel or X update", how does "the debian way" handle those cases? |
| 11:12.09 | sping | wols: okay, pass auf, wenn du scheisse drauf bist dann geh offline und schlaf ne runde. ich brauche hilfe und so wie du redet niemand mit mir. so würde ich mit niemandem reden. schönen tag noch. |
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| 11:12.20 | wols | !de |
| 11:12.21 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 11:12.46 | wols | sping: herrie is scheduled for removal. it will NEVER EVER be in testing and sooner or later vanish from sid. end of it |
| 11:12.46 | streuner1 | sping: just put him on ignore |
| 11:13.12 | mr__daniel | sping: just ignore him |
| 11:13.14 | wols | and if you are too daft to go to a url and read it, then no one can help you |
| 11:13.17 | mohadib | wols: i think he wants to know why , seems obvious to me anyway |
| 11:13.33 | mr__daniel | abvious to me, too |
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| 11:14.38 | christoz | hello! can you suggest me a chm viewer? |
| 11:14.40 | sping | mr__daniel: what is it? i really have no idea. |
| 11:14.55 | streuner1 | !chm |
| 11:14.56 | amphi | !tel christoz -about search |
| 11:14.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, chm is to extract Compressed HTML files (MS Windows HtmlHell Data) use the chmLib (and its example programs to be found at http://66.93.236.84/~jedwin/projects/chmlib/) or use xchm |
| 11:15.11 | JarZk1 | TÄ |
| 11:15.16 | streuner1 | np |
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| 11:16.24 | sping | mr__daniel: please, my time is limited, can you help me? |
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| 11:18.12 | streuner1 | sping: whats the problem? |
| 11:18.26 | sping | streuner1: why removal? temporary or permanatly? form sid, from debian? |
| 11:18.45 | streuner1 | sping: in which context? |
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| 11:18.57 | inigo | christoz, if you use gtk/gnome, may be you prefer gnochm to xchm |
| 11:19.24 | christoz | inigo, yes i've already installed ty |
| 11:20.08 | sping | streuner1: "herrie is scheduled for removal" (http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=herrie) |
| 11:20.22 | streuner1 | hm |
| 11:20.27 | wols | sping: http://qa.debian.org/excuses.php?package=herrie clearly says "removal request by he" which translates to he@debian.org why not ask the guy who removed and? |
| 11:20.43 | wols | *it |
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| 11:21.21 | sping | wols: i did, 9 days ago, no reply |
| 11:21.29 | wols | then maybe ask your uploader |
| 11:21.39 | wols | if all else fails: ask on the debian mailing list(s) |
| 11:22.07 | streuner1 | sping: just ask HE in #debian.de (OFTC) |
| 11:23.39 | sping | streuner1: will do, thank you |
| 11:24.04 | streuner | sping: np |
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| 11:28.03 | clovisw | hi, i'm having problems with my network from internet, i used Wireshark to check the packets and get many "SSL Malformed packet" anyone knows how i can check this? |
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| 11:29.01 | tingle | whats a easy to understand but not to heavy usenet client? |
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| 11:29.21 | g00se | Got startup probs: (although i can still ssh in and services are running) http://filedb.experts-exchange.com/incoming/2008/06_w27/37202/boot-err.jpg |
| 11:29.27 | wols | pan I think |
| 11:29.34 | defrysk | pan yes |
| 11:29.42 | defrysk | for binary downloads that is |
| 11:29.47 | wols | tingle: slrn too |
| 11:30.13 | wols | g00se: buy a new harddisk. this one's kaput |
| 11:31.20 | slobad23 | i have the debain dvd set 4.0r2 |
| 11:31.33 | slobad23 | can i just update this, or do i need to download r3? |
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| 11:32.35 | mohadib | slobad23: install with r2 then update? |
| 11:32.43 | wols | you can update |
| 11:32.59 | slobad23 | thanks |
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| 11:33.54 | docmax | hello, when my hd drive is very busy (for example extracting big files) my whole desktop lags. in windows i didnt have such big lagging. is there any way to fix it? |
| 11:35.21 | g00se | wols: is it not just bad blocks? |
| 11:35.44 | wols | a bad block IS a disk error and if bad blocks happen, a modern disk is on the fritz. they will multiply like rabbits |
| 11:37.27 | g00se | wols: is there any chance it could be a faulty controller? 2 disks going in as many weeks looks a bit coincidental .. |
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| 11:37.51 | g00se | (or uncoincidental) |
| 11:38.02 | wols | vrey very unlikely. run a smartmontools long test and reaplce the cables maybe |
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| 11:38.22 | wols | are those two disks related? ie bought at the same time, in the same PC, etc? |
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| 11:38.41 | wols | g00se: if it is the controller, do the smartctl in another PC |
| 11:39.19 | g00se | wols: yes - i might test the 'faulty' disks in another box |
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| 11:39.54 | wols | g00se: 99% times it's the disk btw. don't get your hopes up :) |
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| 11:40.14 | g00se | wols: no i shan't ;-) |
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| 11:41.40 | g00se | wols: thanks |
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| 11:45.26 | aronofsky | Hi, i got difficulties to redirect the output from a mysql command to a file , here is what I do :/usr/bin/mysql -u$SQLLOGIN -p$SQLPASSWORD $SQLDB < "sql-request" > file but i aint got nothing in the file whereas it produces someting on the std output without the redirection |
| 11:46.45 | wols | aronofsky: an error? |
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| 11:47.52 | aronofsky | wols: no it print the result of the mysql query |
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| 11:55.48 | abrotman | aronofsky: you get output in the terminal? instead of the file? |
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| 11:57.53 | et | odd that everyone is religious about the nvidia installer but if you ask for reasons you don't get replies :/ |
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| 11:58.09 | abrotman | huh? |
| 11:58.15 | abrotman | it has non-free bits |
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| 11:58.28 | abrotman | or you mean why you shouldn't use the .run on debian ? |
| 11:58.31 | et | so does the "debian way" to install the drivers |
| 11:58.51 | abrotman | right .. but the debian way allows your system to redo the nvidia bits when you install a new kernel |
| 11:58.57 | et | reposting the question: "since one reason given for not using the nvidia installer is "it will break when there is a kernel or X update", how does "the debian way" handle those cases?" |
| 11:59.06 | abrotman | among other reasons |
| 11:59.12 | AstralJava | Anyone managing the BTS currently on? I'd just like to make an inquery concerning my ITP bug, filed yesterday around 2230GMT+3. Hasn't still turned up. Did my reportbug send it to /dev/null? :) |
| 11:59.23 | et | abrotman: does it allow it, or does it actually do it? |
| 11:59.35 | abrotman | it's supposed to do it . i do'nt have nvidia hardware, i can't personally say |
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| 12:00.01 | abrotman | AstralJava: you should get a response to your email used in the bug that it was received |
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| 12:00.28 | AstralJava | abrotman: That's just it, I didn't. Nor can it be found on debian-devel@ archives. |
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| 12:00.44 | abrotman | et: there's also the issue that the nvidia.com .run overwrites files blindly .. while the debian way uses the package manager |
| 12:00.50 | wols | et: it breaks you open gl libs and your kernel's packaging system both |
| 12:00.52 | abrotman | AstralJava: debian-devel doesn't get it |
| 12:01.02 | abrotman | et: now are you happy? |
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| 12:01.18 | rgr | Where can I change the default system date format (dekstop is Gnome). At the moment I am getting the rather ugly "01:55 pm" format. I would like it in standard 24 hour. |
| 12:01.32 | abrotman | rgr: right click on the clock and change the settings |
| 12:01.50 | et | abrotman: actually, it doesn't do it blindly, it detects previous installations and asks what to do |
| 12:02.04 | rgr | abrotman: system date format. Clock is already in that format. other stuff like logs and system calls from emacs return this nasty format. |
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| 12:02.18 | victamower | hi, does anyone here use LVM? I'd like some advice on a fresh install |
| 12:02.21 | AstralJava | abrotman: Ahh... thought I saw it mentioned getting CCed for these. Fair enuff, guess I should file it again then. |
| 12:02.31 | abrotman | et: WRT to the debian package system .. it does it blindly .. if oyu want to fuck your own system do it .. but don't mess up other people's systems .. use the debian way |
| 12:02.43 | abrotman | AstralJava: i dont't hink it does ... |
| 12:02.54 | rgr | et: the nvidia installer doesn't screw anything up. |
| 12:03.01 | et | the point is, it's just a one-liner without user interaction to reinstall the nvidia via the .run, so if it's more work in the "debian way" i'd like to avoid it, but since noone seems to have experience here i'll have to try |
| 12:03.19 | et | +driver |
| 12:03.25 | abrotman | rgr: yes it does |
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| 12:03.45 | rgr | et: actually not true. To install the driver there are other things to do like back version the compiler version and ensure gdm is down. |
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| 12:04.12 | et | rgr: CC==gcc-4.1 is part of that one-liner |
| 12:04.17 | rgr | abrotman: like what? I use it all the time with no issues. And get excellent performance and wonderful dual screen handling. The open sorce ones are dire in comparison |
| 12:04.23 | rgr | et fair enough |
| 12:04.26 | abrotman | rgr: we just covered that .. if you don't know .. shut up |
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| 12:04.48 | rgr | abrotman: you're a rude arsehole most of the time. Try not to make it all. I can not comment on thigs said before I logged in. |
| 12:04.49 | victamower | I have two 500gb drives and would like to setup a desktop system, with a small boot partition, 100gb root partition, and the rest allocated to home |
| 12:05.02 | abrotman | rgr: then don't comment |
| 12:05.08 | victamower | do I create three partitions on the first drive, one on the second? |
| 12:05.20 | abrotman | victamower: you mean in raid? |
| 12:05.27 | victamower | and add the big ones on the first and second to the home group? |
| 12:05.32 | rgr | but as I said - *MY* debian system works fine. I CAN comment on that. And since I guess you do not use it, I suspect you are just going off hearsay, |
| 12:05.33 | victamower | abrot: no, just LVM |
| 12:05.42 | victamower | abrot: so I can add more storage down the track |
| 12:05.58 | rgr | et: frankly I thinks its good to support NVidia and use their new drivers and give them feedback. |
| 12:06.08 | abrotman | it's well documented to NOT use the nvidia.com installer |
| 12:06.18 | abrotman | and if you do, no one here will help you un-screw your box |
| 12:06.33 | rgr | et: they are a million times better than the open source "equivalents". |
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| 12:07.47 | amphi | that'd be the nvidia of a quarter billion dollars of dud cards? ;) |
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| 12:07.53 | amphi | ducks |
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| 12:08.12 | DawnLight | is there a way to automate the alsaconf command? |
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| 12:12.06 | enouf | DawnLight: ?? |
| 12:12.14 | enouf | automate alsaconf? run it ;-) |
| 12:12.40 | enouf | DawnLight: you could alias it, but ihaven't had to run alsaconf in like 3 years now :-P |
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| 12:14.17 | abrotman | you need a hotplug sound card! |
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| 12:14.47 | DawnLight | actually, i want the result automated |
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| 12:15.09 | tapas | hmm ok.. |
| 12:15.12 | DawnLight | i wonder what alsaconf actually does, ultimately |
| 12:15.13 | tapas | no dice.. |
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| 12:16.15 | ronr | we use subversion for version control of source code, but subversion isn't really suitable for usage with design files (mainly stuff made with photoshop, indesign or illustrator), are there any version control systems (pref. in debian of course) for these kind of files? |
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| 12:16.28 | tapas | i wonder whether it's somehow possible to expose some sepcial character device files over the network |
| 12:17.07 | abrotman | ronr: it's okay .. it's better than cvs was at it .. if you export your design files as SVG .. it might make more sense of storing in svn |
| 12:18.12 | tapas | simply usinng netcat on named pipes won't do i guess |
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| 12:19.17 | ronr | abrotman: so subversion would be the best choice... don't think I'll be able to get the designer here to like that (they'll want something that looks nice, tortoise won't do the trick) |
| 12:19.36 | abrotman | tortoise isn't nice enough ? |
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| 12:19.54 | abrotman | so .. which tool would they like to use? the VCS tool integrated into photoshop ? |
| 12:20.31 | abrotman | (i don't think photoshop can export to SVG FWIW) |
| 12:20.35 | DawnLight | there's no lists discussing audio in debian... :o |
| 12:20.49 | abrotman | DawnLight: debian-user |
| 12:20.55 | DawnLight | aight, thanks |
| 12:21.32 | ronr | currently they just use a samba drive (where it's impossible for anyone else to find anything), whatever we're gonna use should be as easy as possible (I just know they'll 'forget' to commit, update etc.) |
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| 12:21.57 | abrotman | ronr: nothing you can do about lacking a commit .. developers could just as easily do it |
| 12:22.17 | abrotman | ronr: if it's a samba share .. you could auto-commit daily/weekly etc |
| 12:22.35 | ronr | abrotman: that's an idea |
| 12:22.54 | ronr | abrotman: I'm gonna think about how exactly to implement this, thx for the input |
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| 12:27.09 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:27.09 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> To +b or not to +b, that is the +q |
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| 12:29.07 | victamower | anyone use LVM? |
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| 12:30.49 | NoxIn | I do |
| 12:31.06 | NoxIn | victamower: but you should just ask instead |
| 12:31.16 | victamower | I have two 500gb in a desktop system |
| 12:31.20 | victamower | 500gb drives |
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| 12:31.39 | deathplanter | hi guys |
| 12:31.42 | deathplanter | im just back from re-installing my debian lenny |
| 12:31.47 | deathplanter | and i have another no-sound issue. |
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| 12:31.52 | victamower | I'm using the Ubuntu Hardy CD to install (alternate/Debian installer) |
| 12:31.57 | deathplanter | what am I supposed to check first? |
| 12:32.02 | avu | victamower, you are wrong here |
| 12:32.16 | avu | !tell victamower about ubuntu |
| 12:32.26 | NoxIn | Unbuntu is not an alternate Debian installer, it's another distribution |
| 12:32.37 | avu | deathplanter, check wether the right drivers are loaded using lsmod |
| 12:32.54 | deathplanter | avu: just modprobbed them manually, still nothing happens |
| 12:33.01 | avu | deathplanter, if you don't know what the right driver is, ask dpkg (the bot here) about 'which driver' |
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| 12:33.25 | victamower | I realise, I'm using the Ubuntu alternate CD which uses the Debian installer.. I've installed Etch before, I'm just after general advice |
| 12:33.37 | avu | victamower, you are not using debian |
| 12:33.43 | deathplanter | avu: just modprobbed them manually, still nothing happens |
| 12:33.50 | victamower | avu: I agree |
| 12:33.54 | avu | victamower, this is not a channel for general advice, this channel is for debian support, which you do not use |
| 12:34.35 | avu | deathplanter, ran alsaconf? |
| 12:34.57 | deathplanter | never heard of it, gotta give it a try... |
| 12:34.59 | avu | !tell deathplanter about alsa-checklist |
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| 12:35.16 | deathplanter | thanks! |
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| 12:36.11 | deathplanter | "add yourself to a group" |
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| 12:36.21 | DawnLight | does a kde user need the arts package for anything? |
| 12:36.27 | deathplanter | audio:x:29: |
| 12:36.35 | deathplanter | am i supposed to add "deathplanter" after the : ? |
| 12:36.52 | avu | deathplanter, no |
| 12:36.53 | keanu | I recently received a server that was mistakingly installed in French - is there any way to change it back to English? |
| 12:37.07 | avu | deathplanter, you are supposed to execute 'adduser youruser audio' as root |
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| 12:37.20 | avu | keanu, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 12:39.35 | keanu | avu, thanks, think it worked |
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| 12:43.02 | deathplanter | it worked! :D |
| 12:43.05 | deathplanter | thanks a bunch |
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| 12:54.06 | helo | is there a timestamp program that i can pipe output into that will prepend the time/date onto the beginning of each line? |
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| 12:55.22 | avu | helo, I don't know about such a program but that's very easily scriptable? |
| 12:55.43 | helo | for line in $(program); do echo "$(date): $line" >> logfile; done |
| 12:55.44 | helo | almost... |
| 12:56.15 | helo | a question for #bash, for sure |
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| 12:56.29 | avu | program | perl -ne 'print time . " $_"' |
| 12:57.05 | [ShapeShifter] | bye |
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| 13:05.34 | christianp | hi all |
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| 13:07.03 | christianp | i'm trying to add a new disk to my etch. Doing lshw i find my device in /dev/sdb with physical id: 1, but doing a mount i obtain this error: mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 13:07.10 | christianp | what i need? |
| 13:07.36 | abrotman | did you create a filesystem on it ? |
| 13:07.47 | christianp | how can i do it? |
| 13:08.02 | avu | christianp, the fact that /dev/sdb exists says nothing about /dev/sdb1 existing |
| 13:08.19 | avu | christianp, if this is a new driver, you have to partition it first |
| 13:08.25 | avu | christianp, using fdisk for example |
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| 13:08.29 | christianp | avu: physical id: 1 is not it enough? |
| 13:08.38 | berzerka | christianp: did you partition the drive? you can do so with fdisk, or parted, or gparted, or cfdisk. |
| 13:08.49 | avu | christianp, I don't think so, I don't know/use lshw though |
| 13:08.56 | berzerka | christianp: then create the desired filesystem on the partition(s) you created. |
| 13:09.00 | avu | christianp, fdisk -l /dev/sdb tells you what partitions exist |
| 13:09.18 | christianp | avu i'll try thanks :) |
| 13:09.38 | avu | christianp, after you made sure the partition layout is as you expect/want, you can create file systems on partitions using mkfs |
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| 13:15.53 | deathplanter | hi guys |
| 13:15.59 | deathplanter | i've got another question about debian |
| 13:16.12 | christianp | avu, is it correct: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sdb1? |
| 13:16.16 | deathplanter | is there any smarter way to fix clock synchronization |
| 13:16.22 | deathplanter | than to add --directisa to hwclock? |
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| 13:17.00 | deathplanter | atm i use a dirty hack that relies on copying /sbin/hwclock to _hwclock and putting /sbin/hwclock --directisa $@ instead of the old binary |
| 13:17.25 | avu | christianp, if you want the defaults and you have created the partition in question then yes |
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| 13:18.01 | christianp | avu, so i create partitions in another way? How? |
| 13:18.28 | avu | christianp, we already told you |
| 13:18.33 | avu | christianp, one option is fdisk |
| 13:18.34 | christianp | fdisk |
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| 13:18.37 | deathplanter | anybody help me? |
| 13:18.40 | wols | deathplanter: edit the init script |
| 13:18.40 | christianp | ah, ok |
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| 13:18.51 | christianp | so i need fdisk and mkfs |
| 13:18.53 | christianp | both |
| 13:18.54 | abrotman | !set the time |
| 13:18.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 13:19.30 | wols | abrotman: that is incomplete. and not his problem |
| 13:19.39 | abrotman | it is! |
| 13:19.42 | wols | lots of newer stuff needs --directisa or hwclock no more workie |
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| 13:19.55 | abrotman | that's bad |
| 13:20.16 | wols | started with lappies but my desktop has the same issue |
| 13:20.18 | deathplanter | wols: any smart solution? |
| 13:20.22 | wols | I told you |
| 13:20.44 | wols | christianp: cfdisk and gparted are usually nicer |
| 13:20.46 | deathplanter | oh, didn't notice the highlighted message |
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| 13:21.03 | deathplanter | which file exactly? will it work after updating the system? |
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| 13:23.00 | deathplanter | wols: which file exactly? will it work after updating the system? |
| 13:23.04 | wols | the init file whihc uses hwclock |
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| 13:23.24 | deathplanter | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:24.29 | syntech | !dpkg ipw3945 |
| 13:24.29 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
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| 13:25.37 | abrotman | syntech: /msg dpkg foo |
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| 13:27.01 | slobad23 | i have just installed debian and the only screen res i can get it 640x480... how do i get a larger resolution? |
| 13:27.21 | abrotman | video card? |
| 13:27.58 | slobad23 | its just an nvidia card. i dont know how i would find out what it is |
| 13:27.58 | Xavura_ | if I ssh into my server and do say ls there are no colours |
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| 13:28.08 | Xavura_ | but on my computer (Ubuntu) if I open a terminal and do ls there are colours |
| 13:28.13 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:28.14 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 13:28.16 | Xavura_ | so do I need to install something on my server to get colours |
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| 13:29.42 | Xavura_ | anyone? |
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| 13:30.19 | wybczu | Xavura_: ls --color=tty ;) |
| 13:30.20 | wols | abrotman: not good :) too many nvidia-glx now |
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| 13:30.26 | wols | slobad23: lspci |grep VGA |
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| 13:30.30 | Usiu | Hi |
| 13:30.30 | abrotman | fix it! |
| 13:30.40 | slobad23 | the screen res does this with ubuntu when i first install it, but then when i run and install the updates and restart it fixes it - not so with debian it seems |
| 13:30.40 | Usiu | Is Java installable in sid? |
| 13:30.44 | Usiu | broken pakages? |
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| 13:31.12 | Xavura_ | wybczu: but I want it to do that without me having to type --color=tty |
| 13:31.28 | wols | slobad23: answer please |
| 13:31.35 | wols | Usiu: it is |
| 13:31.39 | wols | !tell Usiu about install java |
| 13:31.41 | wybczu | Xavura_: put alias ls='ls --color=tty' into your ~/.bashrc |
| 13:31.44 | wols | Usiu: at least usually it is |
| 13:31.48 | christianp | thanks avu, wols, berzerka |
| 13:31.51 | christianp | :) |
| 13:31.55 | slobad23 | VGA compatible controller: nvidia corporation c51 pci express bridge (rev a2) |
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| 13:32.04 | Usiu | wols: current upgrade just removed all java packages |
| 13:32.18 | Bushmills | good. away with evil. |
| 13:32.24 | amphi | heh |
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| 13:32.44 | Usiu | Bushmills: then use assembler |
| 13:32.52 | Bushmills | Usiu: i do :) |
| 13:33.08 | Usiu | Bushmills: for enterprise web applications |
| 13:33.19 | wols | Usiu: reinstall them. it will at least try to remove the one triggering the removal |
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| 13:34.19 | Bushmills | Usiu: wondering why those need to execute stuff on client - can't the server provide the data and pack into a static format? |
| 13:34.35 | Bushmills | i mean, just because it is "enterprise" does not need to mean "we own your computer" |
| 13:34.37 | Xavura_ | wybczu: in my .bashrc I see # You may uncomment the following lines if you want `ls' to be colorized: |
| 13:34.46 | Xavura_ | I uncommented the following lines and it didn't work :S |
| 13:34.54 | Xavura_ | the alias thing does though but |
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| 13:35.03 | Usiu | wols: sorry not possible |
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| 13:35.26 | Usiu | wols: the worst sid's nightmare |
| 13:35.26 | wols | of course it's possible |
| 13:35.29 | Xavura_ | nvm |
| 13:35.35 | wols | no one said you HAD to reinstall but only TRY |
| 13:36.06 | DawnLight | what're the differences between dhelp, dwww and doc-central? |
| 13:36.16 | Bushmills | hehe .. do i see "enterprise web application" under sid? |
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| 13:37.20 | wybczu | Xavura_: you have to logout and login again ;) |
| 13:37.21 | doctormo | Where is the best place to ask technical questions about the deb package management system? |
| 13:37.48 | abrotman | you can start here .. |
| 13:38.16 | Bushmills | doctormo: maybe debian-devel@lists.debian.org mailing list if you're not told here |
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| 13:38.27 | Xavura_ | Yeah got it |
| 13:38.56 | slobad23 | is there anyway to get my screen resolutions appear? i can still only get 480x640 |
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| 13:39.13 | wols | slobad23: not until you answer my question |
| 13:39.20 | wols | or rather run the command I gave you |
| 13:39.37 | slobad23 | i sent through the txt that it gave me from the terminal |
| 13:39.50 | wols | where? |
| 13:39.51 | slobad23 | VGA compatible controller: nvidia corporation c51 pci express bridge (rev a2) |
| 13:40.11 | wols | a IGP. then do what abrotman told you. he gave you the nvidia one-liner |
| 13:40.20 | doctormo | abrotman: is there currently a system or mechanism in the deb package management system (including apt) to apply updates from a previous version to the new version? i.e have specific packages that deploy progressions rather than whole replacements? |
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| 13:40.38 | abrotman | doctormo: you mean like a diff? |
| 13:40.43 | abrotman | doctormo: to which types of files? |
| 13:41.29 | abrotman | doctormo: AFAIK there is delta type package for debian |
| 13:41.31 | roe_ | I'm working on tracking down a linux natting problem. Is it normal for the "wan" interface (it is DHCPing from through a cable modem) to have an MTU of 576, while the "lan" interface have an mtu of 1500? |
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| 13:42.44 | slobad23 | were you talking to me with the liner? |
| 13:42.48 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 13:42.49 | dpkg | i heard nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 13:43.03 | doctormo | abrotman: binary and text diffs. The reason I ask is because if more games companies get involved with linux in the future they're going to want to get involved with ubuntu and thus convincing them to use deb/apt would cause less headaches. But they do incrimental updates which are not used with existing packages. |
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| 13:43.25 | abrotman | why won't they get involved in debian ? |
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| 13:44.24 | doctormo | abrotman: Because it's not hot of the medias pressing plates. And not being sold in best buy and not being sold on Dell machiens. more people are going to have ubuntu machines in the market. |
| 13:44.27 | abrotman | why won't they get involved in debian ? |
| 13:44.37 | abrotman | if you want to know abuot Ubuntu ask #ubuntu |
| 13:44.49 | doctormo | abrotman: Now your just being silly |
| 13:44.50 | ArthurArchnix | Silly question, but I'm not sure I'm using the mailing lists right. If I want to reply to a thread, can I just hit reply? Or does that go to the person? |
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| 13:45.12 | wols | ArthurArchnix: depends on how the ML is set up. check your To: field then |
| 13:45.39 | jelly-home | doctormo: [silly] not really; ubuntu might have features in their packaging system that debian does not have yet |
| 13:46.17 | doctormo | jelly-home: With that in mind, I still feel i'd get better anwsers here than in #ubuntu. have you seen that channel? |
| 13:46.22 | doctormo | And I have |
| 13:46.37 | jelly-home | doctormo: true, but that's not our problem |
| 13:47.18 | ArthurArchnix | wols, it's debian.user@lists.org and if I hit reply I see the persons name in the To field. Is that normal? Do I have to change my subscription preferences, or perhaps I can change something in icedove? |
| 13:47.23 | Usiu | wols: ok I am installing from snapshots |
| 13:47.32 | doctormo | jelly-home: No problems presented here are ever going to be. Only a matter of what your willing to help with. |
| 13:47.52 | slobad23 | wols: i dont know what else you want me to do once i have posted that terminal text out |
| 13:47.55 | jelly-home | doctormo: I'm willing to help with debian issues. :-) |
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| 13:48.25 | doctormo | jelly-home: Oh good, because here was me thinking we were all on the same side. |
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| 13:50.36 | jelly-home | doctormo: nope. if you want to find out about tech. issues of an OS packaging system, asking in the right place would probably help |
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| 13:51.36 | jelly-home | doctormo: ... and a general user-support irc channel for a different distro is probably not the right place, I'm afraid |
| 13:51.49 | wols | slobad23: follow what abrotman told you via the bot |
| 13:52.00 | ArthurArchnix | hmm... there is a from field and a sender field in these debian mailing list emails... so perhaps I can configure icedove to respond to sender not from? |
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| 13:53.25 | doctormo | jelly-home: I agree, which _is_ why I asked about where the best place to ask about the tech was and didn't post my question. Although I have to say I consider some of the attitude a little acidic. Don't forget I wasn't interested in ubuntu I just mentioned it as a cause. |
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| 13:53.42 | slobad23 | do i just enter that one single chunk of text into the termianl? |
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| 13:55.18 | abrotman | try it and see |
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| 13:55.52 | slobad23 | when i enter what the bot came out with, it just enters a carriage return rather than running anything |
| 13:56.14 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:56.56 | Arrick | hey all, how do I do a search (from a ssh terminal) of / for an ISO fole? |
| 13:56.57 | Arrick | file |
| 13:57.04 | Arrick | I cnat remember the syntax |
| 13:57.07 | wols | find |
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| 13:57.49 | Arrick | so find *.iso? |
| 13:58.21 | Arrick | I need to search from / all the way through the comptuer for all iso files, becuase i dont know where it was put |
| 13:58.35 | roe_ | anyone know if /etc/network/interfaces accepts an mtu option? |
| 13:59.18 | slobad23 | returns "couldnt find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
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| 14:00.31 | syntech | !dpkg flash |
| 14:00.31 | dpkg | [flash] frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 14:01.04 | abrotman | !tell syntech about msg the bot |
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| 14:01.50 | syntech | !tell abrotman it wasn't workng because i wasn't in #debian |
| 14:01.58 | abrotman | then try #debian-bots |
| 14:02.09 | syntech | it already works |
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| 14:03.51 | Misterjos | apt-get update gives me an error: "11 source temporarily unavailable) |
| 14:04.32 | syntech | lol |
| 14:04.47 | abrotman | missed the joke |
| 14:04.50 | berzerka | Misterjos: select another mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list (debian.org/mirrors i think) or wait until the source is again available. |
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| 14:05.22 | Arrick | wols, whats the syntax (I"m in man now, cant figure it out) for find when I want to search from / through all directories for .iso files? |
| 14:05.23 | berzerka | Misterjos: http://mirror.debian.org/status.html |
| 14:05.55 | berzerka | Arrick: find / -name '*.iso' |
| 14:06.16 | Arrick | thanks |
| 14:06.19 | Misterjos | thanx berzerka, but i dont think the problem is with the mirror, i think the problem is on my computer |
| 14:06.21 | wols | Arrick: http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
| 14:06.26 | Misterjos | but the error says some more things |
| 14:06.36 | Misterjos | but its in dutch so i have to translate :) |
| 14:06.46 | abrotman | Misterjos: does web browsing work ? |
| 14:06.52 | Misterjos | yes |
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| 14:06.53 | wols | Misterjos: export lang=C then run the command again |
| 14:07.17 | beardy | It's LANG. |
| 14:07.27 | wols | mea culpa, you're right |
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| 14:07.46 | SR|| | If I wanna take some kind of checkpoints, but I don't want the overhead of megas slow LVM snapshots... would a suitable compromise be to take backups of the apt/dpkg/debconf databases and a backup of /etc and /boot ? |
| 14:07.54 | Misterjos | DAVID-DEBIAN:/# apt-get update |
| 14:07.54 | Misterjos | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 14:07.54 | Misterjos | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 14:07.54 | Misterjos | DAVID-DEBIAN:/# |
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| 14:08.08 | SR|| | eg, for if I want to install something large with lots of dependencies like Apache, but don't want to end up with a load of mess everywhere if I change my mind? |
| 14:08.11 | Misterjos | oops |
| 14:08.12 | wols | you already run a program that uses apt |
| 14:08.16 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:08.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:08.18 | wols | Misterjos: stop that other program |
| 14:08.21 | liable | Misterjos: you have synaptic or something open as well? |
| 14:08.34 | Misterjos | no, not that i know |
| 14:09.08 | SR|| | as in, to get a kind of snapshot of the essential configuration |
| 14:09.42 | Misterjos | maybe update-notifier is the problem? |
| 14:09.55 | slobad23 | doesnt debian have a hardware detection tool like ubuntu? |
| 14:10.03 | wols | slobad23: does. several |
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| 14:10.27 | slobad23 | so why does ubuntu just sort out my nvidia stuff for me and i cant get it to work in debian |
| 14:10.46 | abrotman | non-free bits |
| 14:11.10 | wols | !info nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 etch |
| 14:11.33 | maligor | slobad23, debian isn't designed for desktop autoconfiguration |
| 14:11.37 | DawnLight | !lart non-free |
| 14:11.37 | dpkg | sends a legion of lawyers after non-free's head |
| 14:11.49 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7: (NVIDIA binary kernel module for 2.6 series compiled for k7), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 1.0.8776+6etch2 (etch), Packaged size: 5 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
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| 14:12.14 | maligor | you sure as heck wouldn't want nvidia binary blobs automagically appearing on servers :P |
| 14:12.27 | wols | slobad23: so it is there as you can see |
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| 14:12.31 | DawnLight | i can't sell a computer with non-free packages installed, can i? |
| 14:12.39 | wols | not if you want to keep it debian |
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| 14:13.00 | wols | you'd be violating the GPL |
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| 14:13.15 | wols | but chances are you are anyways since you usually don't deliver source with the sale |
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| 14:13.42 | Misterjos | wols, or liable, can i check if any other program is using apt? |
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| 14:13.46 | et | you don't have to, you just have to make them available upon request and provide instructions how to request ... |
| 14:14.06 | wols | lsof should tell |
| 14:14.19 | wols | sometimes it's a stale lock. e.g. if the PC crashed recently |
| 14:14.32 | wols | et: and most people don't do this :) |
| 14:14.34 | DawnLight | if i want the user to have non-free, i'd have to deliver it to him as packages and have him install it? |
| 14:14.35 | ArthurArchnix | Ok... turns out firefox doesn't handle mailing lists well. So someone wrote a plugin but it's not usable until firefox 3. But debian dev's were unhappy with that so they patched icedove so the plugin would work. |
| 14:14.50 | wols | DawnLight: gpl wise yes |
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| 14:15.10 | DawnLight | wols: why does this have to do with the gpl? |
| 14:15.14 | ArthurArchnix | bah... firefox... I meant thunderbird, but that's wrong too, since I was talking about icedove. |
| 14:15.23 | ArthurArchnix | I'll get all this eventually, I swear. |
| 14:15.26 | wols | cause the gpl governs most of debian |
| 14:15.36 | Lectus | I removed ksirc and aptitude removed the full KDE. Why? How can I prevent this? |
| 14:15.41 | wols | and if you ship both nvidia and debian on the same hdd you violate said license |
| 14:16.06 | nkuttler | wols: i doubt that. you'd need to link, wouldn't you? |
| 14:16.06 | DawnLight | wols: what do i do, then? |
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| 14:16.17 | wols | !legal |
| 14:16.18 | dpkg | who cares? |
| 14:16.26 | DawnLight | ahuh |
| 14:16.28 | wols | dpkg: good answer |
| 14:16.29 | dpkg | yeah, no kidding (: |
| 14:16.39 | wols | DawnLight: not as intended. this is a debian support channel. not a gpl legal one |
| 14:16.50 | mingwu | how can I find out what eth uplink I have with in debian? ie, 10M network or 100M network |
| 14:17.00 | wols | the !legal response wasn't. but I liked it anyways |
| 14:17.04 | DawnLight | i get it. tell me where to go please |
| 14:17.16 | wols | mingwu: ethtool, dmesg output,etc |
| 14:17.26 | wols | debian-legal ML for example |
| 14:17.43 | et | DawnLight: chances that you'd get sued for delivering a machine with non-free bits are practically 0 |
| 14:17.43 | wols | maybe they have a channel too probably on oftc |
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| 14:18.11 | wols | et: doesn't make it legal... |
| 14:18.20 | nkuttler | DawnLight: there's a debian-legal mailing list, although it's not really a debian question |
| 14:18.49 | wols | DawnLight: another place is the FSF I guess |
| 14:19.20 | nkuttler | hehe, they'd probably just tell you not do it |
| 14:19.22 | DawnLight | my business plans could hurt a well known proprietary software company so i can't take legal chances |
| 14:19.41 | roe__ | I have an interface configured for dhcp that is not getting the correct mtu, I am looking at "http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/mtu.htm" but it says the pertinent fix is either on its way to deprecation or already is deprecated, is there another way of setting the MTU of a DHCPing interface? |
| 14:19.54 | et | wols: when i installed a debian system from cd this morning, i don't remember seeing a notice about the gpl and how to get the sources ... |
| 14:20.17 | wols | et: then file a bug report |
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| 14:20.37 | wols | tho the boot menu has a menu entry I think |
| 14:20.49 | et | or just live with the "practicality beats purity" maxime |
| 14:21.06 | wols | debian can't do this |
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| 14:21.21 | et | but DawnLight can ;) |
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| 14:21.33 | m3thos | hi there, how do I config /etc/network/interface so that it DOESN'T configure a interface ? |
| 14:21.35 | wols | et: every debian package under the gpl comes with the license btw |
| 14:21.42 | m3thos | something like "no auto eth0" ? |
| 14:21.53 | nkuttler | m3thos: man 5 interfaces |
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| 14:22.27 | et | wols: yes, but to find it you kind of have to know that it's there |
| 14:22.30 | roe__ | m3thos, auto will bring the interface up at boot time, and allow hot-plug will bring the interface up when the link becomes ready. If you don't have these lines then it won't happen |
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| 14:26.22 | Hailsematary | I installed debian to my system, have a root user and a user without root effects |
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| 14:26.32 | Hailsematary | how can i change my regular user to |
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| 14:26.39 | Hailsematary | a user with root authorities? |
| 14:26.39 | abrotman | `su` |
| 14:26.52 | abrotman | you don't want your user to have root all the time |
| 14:27.09 | Hailsematary | abrotman: I want to use e.x. synaptic |
| 14:27.16 | Hailsematary | upgrade from GUI |
| 14:27.21 | wols | Hailsematary: gksu synaptic |
| 14:27.25 | wols | or gksudo |
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| 14:28.13 | Hailsematary | I thought giving the user root privileges would be a better idea |
| 14:28.29 | Hailsematary | I mean when I click on "software updates available" |
| 14:28.35 | Hailsematary | and give the user password |
| 14:28.40 | Hailsematary | I can do root stuff |
| 14:28.46 | wols | very very insecure idea |
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| 14:29.33 | Hailsematary | so you suggest while doing root things with X open, use gksu, am i right? |
| 14:29.40 | wols | yes |
| 14:29.56 | wols | and as soon as you are done, stop using root |
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| 14:30.13 | wols | also many programs will not work as root. they then refuse to run due to security risks |
| 14:30.34 | Hailsematary | I see |
| 14:30.46 | Hailsematary | how can I use gksu with GUI? |
| 14:30.52 | Hailsematary | I opened a terminal |
| 14:30.54 | wols | run it |
| 14:30.55 | Hailsematary | wrote gksu |
| 14:31.14 | Hailsematary | and it asked me to write the program I would like to run |
| 14:31.39 | DawnLight | i can hear my HDD rumbling. how can i find out what is causing it? |
| 14:32.16 | Hailsematary | wols: thanks, I was giving the password wrong :) |
| 14:32.25 | Hailsematary | thanks for your humble advices ;) |
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| 14:40.13 | slobad23 | omg this nvidia thing is driving me nuts |
| 14:40.22 | slobad23 | if im such a newbie, should i just use ubuntu? |
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| 14:40.53 | twobitwork | DawnLight: backup and get a new one |
| 14:40.57 | wols | you should just follow the advice. e.g. what abrotman told you. non-free |
| 14:41.15 | abrotman | still ? |
| 14:41.30 | slobad23 | the terminal stuff i have been putting in has not been working |
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| 14:42.34 | abrotman | is there an error ? |
| 14:43.07 | slobad23 | e: couldnt find nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
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| 14:43.26 | slobad23 | that is what i get when i type in the apt-get install i was given earlier |
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| 14:45.47 | Deepa | Is there some easy way to get a IPW3945 ABG wireless LAN to work? |
| 14:45.53 | Deepa | I tried the Intel drivers but I couldn't even get them to compile |
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| 14:46.43 | liable | Deepa: which debian version are you using? |
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| 14:47.04 | Deepa | etch |
| 14:47.30 | liable | Deepa: why dont you just install the iwp modules that are in the repo? |
| 14:47.33 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 14:47.34 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny, ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
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| 14:47.54 | Deepa | Ah right, I forgot to add non-free and contrib :D |
| 14:47.56 | Deepa | Thanks for the tip |
| 14:48.02 | Deepa | That also explains why I couldn't find them :p |
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| 14:51.48 | shah0516 | hi everybody, my screen resolution is 800X600, if i try to change it, its showing 800X600 as maximum resolution |
| 14:51.58 | shah0516 | how to hav a better resolution |
| 14:52.29 | Deepa | Cool, the little blue light for WLAN blinked |
| 14:53.31 | wols | shah0516: what videocard? |
| 14:53.56 | shah0516 | wols, [Radeon Xpress 200] |
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| 14:54.16 | wols | shah0516: and what driver do you use? |
| 14:54.27 | wols | the "ati" driver should work btw |
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| 14:54.53 | neonoe_ | someone known when 2.6.25 kernel will be in lenny? how long do you predict? thanks |
| 14:55.25 | dude101 | hello, how can u run XFree86-3 and XFree86-4 on the same machine? |
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| 14:55.50 | wols | neonoe_: never |
| 14:55.58 | neonoe_ | why? |
| 14:56.00 | wols | dude101: why? |
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| 14:56.14 | wols | neonoe_: lenny will ship with 2.6.24 or so they said |
| 14:56.33 | shah0516 | wols, how to get ati drive |
| 14:56.40 | neonoe_ | wols: ok |
| 14:56.52 | wols | shah0516: you already have it |
| 14:56.59 | wols | shah0516: but answer my question |
| 14:57.18 | wols | dude101: why do you need both? note Xfree86 is NOT supported anymore |
| 14:57.20 | dude101 | wols: i need to configure DRI for a savage S3 |
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| 14:57.32 | Deepa | Anyone know if ipw3945 has any bluetooth capatibilities? |
| 14:57.50 | wols | Deepa: it doesn't. abg that's all |
| 14:57.58 | dude101 | DRI doesnt work with Xf86-4 |
| 14:58.01 | Deepa | darn |
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| 14:58.44 | shah0516 | wols, i dont know what driver is in use, im new to linux |
| 14:58.49 | wols | Deepa: there is not XF86 in debian anymore. nowhere. and sarge which was the last XF86 debian is not supported anymore |
| 14:58.58 | wols | shah0516: probably vesa |
| 14:59.07 | wols | !tell shah0516 about drxx |
| 14:59.10 | dude101 | i'm usin sarge |
| 14:59.14 | dude101 | 2.4 kerel |
| 14:59.29 | wols | dude101: upgrade. it's insecure by now and won't get anymore support or security updates |
| 14:59.36 | Deepa | I know there's not XF86 anymore and I cried about it |
| 14:59.39 | Deepa | X10 worked fine for me |
| 14:59.42 | dude101 | everything works , but not DRI i need the XF86-3 server |
| 14:59.54 | abrotman | S3 DRI isn't worth it anyways |
| 14:59.56 | dude101 | any hints |
| 15:00.19 | abrotman | !s3 |
| 15:00.20 | dpkg | Tried, tested, and reliable cards.</sarcasm>, or <abrotman> the cards suck ..bad .. like waking up next to your mother after a hard night of drinking <pipeline> I disagree. ... It's more like coming-to ON TOP of your mother. |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | hide |
| 15:00.23 | abrotman | s |
| 15:00.37 | Deepa | During the installation I enabled 1280*1024 but in Screen Resolution preferences at GNOME I only got 1024x768, 800x600 and 640x480 |
| 15:00.37 | wols | abrotman: it's true |
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| 15:00.41 | dude101 | abrotman: it is, all GL apps are using software rendering. so if i'm usin software logicaly i'd be better off with DRI |
| 15:00.48 | abrotman | no .. really .. it's not |
| 15:00.51 | wols | my savage couldn't switch to vty1 without crashing the system |
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| 15:00.54 | dude101 | course itis |
| 15:01.04 | liable | your better off for a start upgrading to etch |
| 15:01.09 | abrotman | !savage |
| 15:01.10 | dpkg | http://www.probo.com/timr/savage40.html, or if it locks up when 3d is enabled, try Option "DmaMode" "Vertex" in the Device section of xorg.conf |
| 15:01.26 | abrotman | wow .. locks up when 3d is enabled .. great card .. really .. solid stuff |
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| 15:01.30 | dude101 | if i'm using software then logicaly i'd be better off with DRI, since i'm using the freakin app anyway |
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| 15:02.08 | wols | abrotman: I played Deus Ex on it! :) |
| 15:02.15 | abrotman | in software mode! |
| 15:02.29 | dude101 | i just wat DRI, thats all |
| 15:02.31 | wols | nah. "metal" the S3 API a la 3dfx (doN't ask) |
| 15:02.43 | wols | dri is usually a kernel module to enable |
| 15:02.56 | dude101 | it works with XFree86-3, |
| 15:03.14 | wols | last time: there is no XF86 3 in sarge or etch |
| 15:03.36 | dude101 | maybe i could compile from source |
| 15:03.41 | wols | and since you haven't tried yet you don't even know if it doesn't work in normal Xorg from eth |
| 15:03.46 | wols | good luck |
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| 15:04.20 | dude101 | wols: cant even playan avi with the savage driver in etch, this is why i'm using a 2.4 kernel |
| 15:04.30 | abrotman | isn't it a PCI card? |
| 15:04.53 | wols | dude101: use vlc. helped me with a neomagic (about as shitty) |
| 15:04.59 | dude101 | i installed sarge yesturday,the savag driver is alot better, i can play avi's np, but no DRI |
| 15:05.10 | wols | correction. it crashed less with the neomagic |
| 15:05.12 | twobitwork | dude101: you still use sarge? |
| 15:05.19 | dude101 | wols: dont matter the savage driver in etch is naff |
| 15:05.49 | dude101 | twobitwork: i use etch on my AMD64, and sarge for tis lappy |
| 15:06.04 | twobitwork | dude101: just out of curiosity... why? |
| 15:06.16 | dude101 | i use both lenny and etch on my desktop |
| 15:06.36 | dude101 | twobitwork: sarge runs better on this lappy than etch |
| 15:06.47 | twobitwork | dude101: strange... |
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| 15:07.02 | dude101 | took more configuring but worth it, coz now its smooth |
| 15:07.42 | dude101 | thats what i thought, but the performance benefits have been considerable |
| 15:08.10 | SR|| | apt-cacher-ng or apt-proxy? |
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| 15:08.48 | dude101 | savage driver in etch is naff, no 24 bit depth, |
| 15:10.17 | dude101 | i think i'll tar this install, and compile XFree86-3. see what happens |
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| 15:12.27 | shah0516 | wols, give me a solution to get a good resolution for my screen |
| 15:12.30 | twobitwork | I heard someone talking about how there's some strange licensing problem between lynx and openssl... anyone know about this? I see the lynx-ssl package is Replaced by lynx, but google isn't very conclusive |
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| 15:13.59 | wols | shah0516: I did, long ago |
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| 15:14.19 | wols | shah0516: 13minutes ago to be exact |
| 15:15.10 | shah0516 | wols, sry , whats drxx |
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| 15:19.14 | abrotman | twobitwork: ssl has a weird license |
| 15:20.42 | Orion_X11 | How to start my sound server? It says that there is something blocking it and I cant hear any song? It was ok 10 minutes ago |
| 15:21.31 | wols | Orion_X11: what sound server is it? |
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| 15:22.26 | twobitwork | how can I tell which repo a certain package will be installed from? |
| 15:22.44 | Orion_X11 | wols: Alsa |
| 15:23.06 | wols | Orion_X11: that's no server, that's a sound architecture |
| 15:23.13 | wols | !tell Orion_X11 about errors |
| 15:23.23 | wols | twobitwork: apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 15:25.06 | Orion_X11 | wols: for example: Amarok says that xine cant start the song |
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| 15:25.48 | alexbobp | I'm running debian unstable. If I try to install g++, it warns me that it will remove linux-kernel-headers. Is there a good reason for this? |
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| 15:26.05 | alexbobp | also, is linux-kernel-headers actually an important package, or just a metapackage? |
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| 15:30.13 | abrotman | alexbobp: uname -r |
| 15:30.25 | abrotman | and this is why you shouldn't be running unstable |
| 15:30.26 | alexbobp | abchirk: 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 15:30.36 | alexbobp | er, abrotman |
| 15:30.43 | alexbobp | I'm not used to how this client does tab completion... |
| 15:30.44 | abrotman | your kernel is very very out of date for a person running unstable |
| 15:30.46 | abrotman | and this is why you shouldn't be running unstable |
| 15:31.18 | alexbobp | abrotman: I switched repos from etch to sid, and I'm still trying to work out all the conflicts so I can upgrade all my packages. |
| 15:31.43 | abrotman | alexbobp: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 might help you |
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| 15:34.00 | epsilon | Hi, I'm paying around with openvpn, etch server (openvpn 2.0) and lenny client (2.1). Now I have recommendation to use the same version, should I take 2.1 backport or 2.0 on lenny? |
| 15:34.15 | DawnLight | abrotman: i'm painstakingly preparing a debian installation with kde for the common desktop user, which can be reproduced |
| 15:34.25 | Bushmills | many reasons given for not running unstable are no reasons not to run unstable, but reasons to look out what one is doing. more the kind of "you shouldn't write a program because you can make mistakes"... |
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| 15:35.15 | Bushmills | don;t install a compiler it will be bad for you :) |
| 15:35.35 | rpetre | epsilon: works great, i'm using etch->lenny right now |
| 15:36.46 | abrotman | DawnLight: is there a question there? |
| 15:36.46 | Bushmills | DawnLight: iotop |
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| 15:37.05 | wols | Orion_X11: start the music player from a terminal and check the terminal output |
| 15:38.04 | Orion_X11 | wols: I have already fixed it > cd /etc/init.d/./alsatools restart |
| 15:38.17 | Orion_X11 | wols: Many thx |
| 15:38.40 | Bushmills | (iotop is not in etch, i just see. only lenny) |
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| 15:39.33 | maxime | hi |
| 15:39.59 | toto42 | i'm trying to set up a dualscreen |
| 15:40.12 | wols | good |
| 15:40.14 | wols | !xinerama |
| 15:40.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
| 15:40.16 | toto42 | i tried many things on the web |
| 15:40.28 | toto42 | wols: i have de 1.1 |
| 15:40.42 | alexbobp | DawnLight: is it called ubuntu? :P |
| 15:41.01 | wols | toto42: wat is de 1.1? |
| 15:41.13 | toto42 | hum |
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| 15:41.29 | toto42 | ok sry, i mean xrandr |
| 15:41.32 | DawnLight | abrotman: nope. i'm updating you on my adventurous business plans |
| 15:41.39 | abrotman | business? |
| 15:41.53 | toto42 | i gonna see for xinerama |
| 15:41.56 | abrotman | DawnLight: couldn't you just create a task ? |
| 15:41.57 | DawnLight | or is that spelled incorrectly |
| 15:42.42 | DawnLight | abrotman: preseed has an option to install packages |
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| 15:43.22 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:43.57 | my007ms | in fedora/readhat when i need install one src rpm to make some custom change and then recompile and get the rpm |
| 15:44.06 | my007ms | how i can do something like this in deban |
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| 15:44.52 | alexbobp | abrotman: That seems to be upgrading the kernel, thanks |
| 15:45.34 | quagga | are there any plans to address the issues the r8169 driver has in the lenny kernel? |
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| 15:46.03 | DawnLight | if i go 'aptitude -t etch-backports install fuse-source' then will it prefer etch for the dependencies, or etch-backports? |
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| 15:47.11 | DawnLight | my007ms: apt-get source <package> and then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot inside the source dir |
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| 15:48.33 | keanu | is there any way to add the ipt_owner module without recompiling the kernel? |
| 15:48.53 | toto42 | wols: i don't think i have any change to get both screens, do you really think getting a new config will do something ? I can't even get my second screen detected by xrandr. |
| 15:49.03 | toto42 | chance* |
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| 15:50.07 | my007ms | thanks DawnLight |
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| 15:51.55 | alexbobp | I'm having an odd issue with the package manager. It won't update xserver-xorg because it says some other package won't be installed, but that other package is installed. http://pastebin.com/m22ee7518 How is this possible? |
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| 15:52.09 | toto42 | well i'm gonna try it, with no hope |
| 15:52.14 | toto42 | thanks |
| 15:52.31 | wols | toor: dpkg told you |
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| 15:53.17 | DawnLight | i love aptitude! 'aptitude -F %p%v# search ~i | grep ~bpo' |
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| 15:53.41 | DawnLight | kisses aptitude and the people who wrote the docs |
| 15:53.42 | jelly-home | !test |
| 15:53.42 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:53.43 | wols | alexbobp: what debian is this and why don't you install xorg? |
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| 15:54.30 | alexbobp | wols: I _am_ trying to install xorg, and sid |
| 15:55.25 | wols | apt-cache policy x11-xkb-utils and apt-cache show xserver-xorg |
| 15:55.33 | wols | and installing xserver-xorg is NOT installing X |
| 15:55.37 | keanu | is there any way to add the ipt_owner module without having to the kernel? |
| 15:55.57 | keanu | *having to recompile |
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| 15:56.07 | wols | keanu: it's part of the debian kernel already |
| 15:56.28 | alexbobp | wols: Well, I'm using X right now, so I probably have that installed. I'm just trying to update. |
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| 15:56.48 | keanu | wols, it is? oh wait, I see - the server i'm using uses a custom kernel |
| 15:56.52 | wols | alexbobp: it's not the way to update either |
| 15:56.56 | alexbobp | wols: http://pastebin.com/m54af71b3 |
| 15:57.01 | wols | keanu: then you are SOL. use a debian one |
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| 15:57.17 | keanu | wols, heh, ok, thanks |
| 15:57.27 | TheGeralt | Hi, when using wpa_supplicant is there any special way in debian to setup your connection or can I just create a wpa_supplicant.conf? And what do I have to do to start the connection at system startup? |
| 15:57.29 | DASPRiD | How to find all packages which were automaticall installed (marked as: i A)? |
| 15:57.49 | wols | alexbobp: fix your sources.list I guess |
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| 15:58.33 | alexbobp | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:58.37 | alexbobp | oops |
| 15:58.40 | TheGeralt | DASPRiD: dpkg -l|grep -P ^i should work |
| 15:59.28 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me why i may be getting 'bash: ./bpo_search.sh: /bin/bash: bad interpreter: Permission denied'??? |
| 16:00.20 | rpetre | ls -l /bin/bash, might be -x |
| 16:00.32 | abrotman | DawnLight: paste the script somewhere ? |
| 16:00.56 | DawnLight | script starts with #!/bin/bash |
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| 16:01.37 | DawnLight | and is followed by that last command i typed |
| 16:01.47 | DawnLight | aptitude -F %p%v# search ~i | grep ~bpo |
| 16:01.58 | DawnLight | anything foolish? |
| 16:02.21 | rpetre | DawnLight: looks like /bin/bash is non-executable, can't think of nothing else |
| 16:02.34 | DawnLight | but it is and i'm root |
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| 16:03.01 | rpetre | any fancy stuff in kernel? like selinux |
| 16:03.02 | rpetre | ? |
| 16:03.10 | DASPRiD | TheGeralt, ty |
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| 16:03.36 | DawnLight | rpetre: this is debian etch latest k7 |
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| 16:04.30 | DawnLight | well, not exactly latest, but still 2.6.18-6 |
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| 16:05.14 | rpetre | unless there's a typo in "#!/bin/bash" , can't think of nothing else |
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| 16:06.52 | DawnLight | can't run scripts! |
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| 16:07.49 | DawnLight | i've copied the file to root's ~ and i can run it now |
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| 16:11.25 | idimmu | where was it before? |
| 16:11.28 | idimmu | DawnLight |
| 16:11.41 | DawnLight | it was in /media/floppy |
| 16:11.42 | idimmu | sometimes people mount /tmp noexecute or whatever it is .. ? |
| 16:11.56 | idimmu | maybe |
| 16:12.00 | idimmu | le shrug |
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| 16:12.34 | DawnLight | it is mounted noexec |
| 16:12.44 | idimmu | tada |
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| 16:12.52 | idimmu | fuck im good |
| 16:12.58 | liable | just ask him |
| 16:13.16 | DawnLight | !beer idimmu |
| 16:13.17 | dpkg | pulls out a fine Piraat for idimmu |
| 16:13.25 | idimmu | heh |
| 16:13.37 | twobitwork | mmm.... I love Piraat |
| 16:13.39 | td123 | does anyone know what to use to burn an iso to a dvd through the terminal? |
| 16:13.45 | twobitwork | !beer twobitwork |
| 16:13.46 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Piraat for twobitwork |
| 16:13.48 | liable | swills a VB |
| 16:13.49 | twobitwork | sweet |
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| 16:14.24 | td123 | I was looking at dvd+rw-tools but I couldn't find anything on burning isos with it |
| 16:14.37 | twobitwork | td123: growisofs, iirc |
| 16:14.39 | idimmu | cdrecord ? |
| 16:14.45 | twobitwork | idimmu: cdrecord doesn' |
| 16:14.51 | idimmu | :o |
| 16:14.52 | twobitwork | ... doesn't like DVDs |
| 16:14.55 | idimmu | heh |
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| 16:15.13 | maligor | wodim |
| 16:15.28 | maligor | it burns dvds |
| 16:15.41 | twobitwork | ahh, indeed it does... I've always used growisofs |
| 16:15.43 | idimmu | cdrecord -v -dao speed=4 dev=/dev/dvd /path/to/Fedora-8-i386-DVD.iso |
| 16:15.47 | idimmu | internet says it does ? |
| 16:15.57 | idimmu | hasnt used cdrecord for 100 years mind |
| 16:16.03 | maligor | idimmu, only the non-free versions iirc |
| 16:16.10 | maligor | or something like that |
| 16:16.13 | twobitwork | idimmu: maybe it does now... but last I looked into it, I heard it didn't |
| 16:16.44 | wols | !cdrecord |
| 16:16.45 | dpkg | i guess cdrecord is a CD writing tool (renamed cdrtools) for .iso (the file system) and .cdr (cd audio). Available at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/nthp/employees/schilling/cdrecord.html. Use -pad for .wav files when burning audio. Use -swab if your CDR uses little endian or the .cdr is in big endian -- basically if the audio on cd is static, use -swab. now from version 2.0 up it supports atapi cd burners with an option like -dev=AT |
| 16:17.02 | wols | idimmu: there is no cdrecord in debian |
| 16:17.03 | idimmu | er maligor there are non-free versions of cdrecord? |
| 16:17.06 | idimmu | :o |
| 16:17.08 | wols | !tell idimmu about wodim |
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| 16:17.21 | idimmu | shiny |
| 16:17.32 | maligor | can't remember why, but something like that it was |
| 16:17.38 | maligor | maybe it isn't anymore |
| 16:17.56 | twobitwork | maligor: I think you only need non-free stuff to burn video DVDs |
| 16:18.02 | idimmu | dpes debian not like cddl then? |
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| 16:18.05 | idimmu | *does |
| 16:18.07 | Bushmills | at one time, cdrecord required a key to enable writing images above i thnk 2 gb |
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| 16:18.22 | Bushmills | there was a "free" educational key availble |
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| 16:18.38 | twobitwork | Bushmills: ohh... lame... I thought cdrecord was totally open source |
| 16:18.40 | Bushmills | that was when wodim forked then |
| 16:18.59 | rpetre | much virtual blood has been spilled then |
| 16:19.21 | idimmu | heh |
| 16:19.39 | idimmu | http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/04/1335226 |
| 16:19.40 | idimmu | woah |
| 16:20.04 | TehMarz | I have a really odd problem. Whenever I try to play music with Rhythmbox (0.9.6), it doesn't play. And when I check the Notification Area music icon, it says it's at "1193046:28:15 of 0:05:21". |
| 16:20.07 | jerbear | how do i get the uuid of a device? |
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| 16:20.49 | rpetre | there should be deep in the /sys filesystem |
| 16:21.03 | idimmu | shiny |
| 16:21.05 | idimmu | oops |
| 16:21.07 | idimmu | ls -al /dev/disk/by-uuid ? |
| 16:21.23 | rpetre | depends of the type of device, innit? |
| 16:21.27 | idimmu | ah |
| 16:21.38 | ootput | can any of you suggest a lightweight httpd with minimal user support (ie run and accessed on localhost) that still provides enough functionality rivaling other (heavier) daemons? |
| 16:21.48 | jerbear | idimmu: the device was just added, it's not in by-uuid |
| 16:21.54 | idimmu | lighttpd ? |
| 16:21.58 | idimmu | fair play jerbear |
| 16:22.04 | idimmu | dmesg ? |
| 16:22.14 | idimmu | (probably not) |
| 16:22.36 | jerbear | idimmu: yeh, nothing there |
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| 16:23.41 | et | hmm. how come there's a rc of ff3 in testing instead of the "real" one? |
| 16:23.56 | jerbear | ahhhh... blkid |
| 16:24.02 | rsk | et: rc2 = ff3 on linux. |
| 16:24.19 | rsk | afaik only mac got a fix and then it was shipped as sinfal |
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| 16:25.13 | twobitwork | god I hate RPM |
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| 16:25.52 | et | rsk: yet it's annoying that every time i start it up, i get the "your version of gran paradiso is not the latest one"-message |
| 16:26.08 | twobitwork | I especially hate building rpms... so messy and cluttered, trying to cram all of the installation stuff into a single file |
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| 16:30.59 | deathplanter | hi guys |
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| 16:31.23 | deathplanter | why doesn't NetworkManager automatically set default gateway? |
| 16:31.36 | deathplanter | I have to type "route add default gw <IP>" manually :-/ |
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| 16:32.01 | rpetre | because it sucks, and i hate it and reverted to good old ifupdown |
| 16:32.09 | rpetre | did i say that out loud? |
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| 16:32.34 | deathplanter | any solution? :< |
| 16:32.57 | maligor | you cold fix it |
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| 16:33.20 | maligor | haven't noticed it failing to set gw in simple networks tho (which is what I have) |
| 16:33.45 | deathplanter | what am I to do then? |
| 16:34.01 | rpetre | any debugging messages in the logs? |
| 16:34.16 | deathplanter | wish I knew where to look at |
| 16:34.45 | rpetre | daemon.log , i think, syslog is a safer bet |
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| 16:35.27 | rpetre | it uses dhcp or static settings? |
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| 16:35.33 | deathplanter | static |
| 16:35.42 | AstralJava | deathplanter: A desktop machine? |
| 16:35.43 | deathplanter | no useful data in the log |
| 16:35.45 | deathplanter | yup. |
| 16:35.47 | wols | then you gotta define it |
| 16:35.51 | deathplanter | in a home mini-network. |
| 16:36.03 | wols | if it's static it's YOUR job to set it |
| 16:36.06 | AstralJava | deathplanter: Add a script in /etc/rc.local/ that runs what you mentioned. |
| 16:36.11 | deathplanter | i set it while installation |
| 16:36.16 | deathplanter | it still doesn't set the default gw |
| 16:36.21 | wols | why? it's a static IP. put it in /etc/network/interfaces and done |
| 16:36.25 | deathplanter | hm, last time I installed debian |
| 16:36.28 | deathplanter | it was all done |
| 16:36.31 | twobitwork | rpetre: I agree... I only use network-manager for my VPN... because VPN's in linux are a real pain in the arse |
| 16:36.38 | deathplanter | and I do have gateway set in interfaces, but it's ignored |
| 16:36.40 | wols | deathplanter: why do you need network manager for a static IP? |
| 16:36.52 | wols | of course. EITHER netowkr manager OR interfaces |
| 16:36.54 | wols | not both |
| 16:36.54 | deathplanter | hell, I dunno. i just got default configs and that's what got installed |
| 16:37.09 | rpetre | twobitwork: that's one of the reasons i dumped it, i want to control what my vpn does |
| 16:37.11 | wols | deathplanter: installer ASKS you about static config |
| 16:37.26 | twobitwork | rpetre: I couldn't get my VPN working without it... |
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| 16:37.35 | TehMarz | I have a really odd problem. Whenever I try to play music with Rhythmbox (0.9.6), it doesn't play. And when I check the Notification Area music icon, it says it's at "1193046:28:15 of 0:05:21". |
| 16:37.35 | deathplanter | wols: I did tell him the configs |
| 16:37.38 | rpetre | what kind of vpn? |
| 16:37.45 | twobitwork | rpetre: ipsec, I think |
| 16:37.50 | deathplanter | it's just it peed on me as far as the gateway's concerned |
| 16:37.51 | NoxIn | <troll> openvpn rules </troll> |
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| 16:38.07 | wols | deathplanter: pastbin the file |
| 16:38.11 | twobitwork | nope... pptp |
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| 16:38.20 | deathplanter | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.24 | wols | yes... |
| 16:38.34 | twobitwork | NoxIn: hmm, I'll look at it |
| 16:38.49 | deathplanter | http://wklej.org/id/664755c629 |
| 16:39.02 | deathplanter | not to mention the fact I had to install package resolvconf manually >.< |
| 16:39.24 | twobitwork | NoxIn: ohh... looks like it replace vpn stuff... I have to have pptp support |
| 16:39.38 | wols | deathplanter: don't use allow hotplug, use auto |
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| 16:40.02 | deathplanter | is that it? |
| 16:40.26 | rpetre | +1 for openvpn |
| 16:40.42 | deathplanter | wols: is that it? |
| 16:41.30 | wols | not necessarily but on static IPs allow hotplug makes no sense |
| 16:41.38 | Bushmills | vpn pita relating to gateway/route? (thnking of openvpn - you're aware that you can configure server to push routes to client?) |
| 16:41.38 | wols | static, ethernet IPs that is |
| 16:41.42 | wols | partially OK with WLAN |
| 16:41.47 | wols | or usb/pcmcia NICs |
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| 16:41.58 | deathplanter | mkay... should it work now? |
| 16:42.07 | wols | hwo should we know? try it |
| 16:42.19 | deathplanter | hokay. brb... |
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| 16:46.07 | Foskasse | hi all |
| 16:46.29 | Bushmills | !drug everybody |
| 16:46.29 | dpkg | makes everybody smoke far too much crack and watches them be reduced to a gibbering heap of crap |
| 16:46.54 | Foskasse | lulz |
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| 16:48.11 | Braden_ | Hello |
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| 16:48.25 | Braden_ | I need to set up a web proxy on my server. What package would be best for that |
| 16:48.33 | abrotman | squid probably |
| 16:48.42 | Bushmills | Braden_: http? |
| 16:48.45 | Braden_ | That way I can set the proxy in my web browser to my server and then browse the web like I was at the office. |
| 16:48.51 | Braden_ | Bushmills: Yea |
| 16:48.59 | Bushmills | what abrotman says |
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| 16:49.47 | deathplanter | now this is weird. |
| 16:49.59 | deathplanter | hell, I logged on tty1 as root and pinged google.pl |
| 16:50.02 | deathplanter | it worked |
| 16:50.02 | Braden_ | There are 'squid' and squid3' packages. Which one is newer? |
| 16:50.12 | deathplanter | then I logged onto the X window system |
| 16:50.18 | Bushmills | it *worked* .. that's really weird |
| 16:50.19 | deathplanter | tried to ping it again |
| 16:50.23 | deathplanter | it worked for a while |
| 16:50.28 | deathplanter | and then seemed to have lost the settings |
| 16:50.40 | abrotman | something else is running on your system |
| 16:50.43 | Bushmills | Braden_: probably squid |
| 16:50.45 | abrotman | wow .. that was vague |
| 16:50.59 | dryrot | Braden_: it might be faster and easier to on your local machine "ssh -Nn your-office -D*:1080" and then point your local machine web browser to the proxy located at localhost port 1080 |
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| 16:52.24 | Braden_ | dryrot: You mean set up an ssh tunnel? |
| 16:52.30 | Braden_ | I can do that with putty |
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| 16:52.37 | Braden_ | (my laptop has windows xp on it) |
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| 16:52.44 | dryrot | great. so do what i said. |
| 16:52.49 | Braden_ | Roger |
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| 16:54.55 | Sebby2 | *.dsc what comes from , what kind of file is? |
| 16:55.17 | rpetre | .deb source code, i believe |
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| 16:55.44 | rpetre | !dsc |
| 16:55.45 | dpkg | well, dsc is Debian source control file - .dsc, This file is a control file used by dpkg-source to extract a source package, http://debid.vlsm.org/share/Debian-Doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-debiansourcecontrolfiles |
| 16:55.55 | rpetre | there |
| 16:56.49 | Sebby | if i understand wright is like an archive like tar.gz only is for debian? |
| 16:56.57 | liable | use dget to fetch |
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| 16:57.18 | Sebby | then how do i dearchivate it |
| 16:57.37 | liable | it fetches the dsc, orig.tar.gz and diff, and builds a source package |
| 16:58.05 | liable | then you build a deb from that |
| 16:58.39 | n0mad | will somone suggest alternatives for mediatomb ? t.y. |
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| 16:59.29 | abrotman | will someone explain what mediatomb is? |
| 16:59.46 | liable | wont somebody think of the children? |
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| 17:00.01 | abrotman | SAVE THE APOSTROPHES! |
| 17:00.02 | Bushmills | abrotman: a web based media player and database |
| 17:00.06 | abrotman | mpd ? |
| 17:00.08 | abrotman | xmms2? |
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| 17:01.50 | Doug52392 | Hi |
| 17:02.20 | dryrot | n0mad: http://www.rbgrn.net/blog/2007/08/how-to-choose-dlna-media-server-software-in-windows-mac-os-x-or-linux.html |
| 17:02.20 | Doug52392 | I'm getting ths error when I try to build a program in KDevelop (it is using GUI): |
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| 17:02.30 | Doug52392 | checking for X... |
| 17:02.30 | Doug52392 | configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths! |
| 17:02.41 | abrotman | you need some -dev packages |
| 17:02.52 | abrotman | i don't recall if x-dev still works for that or not |
| 17:03.18 | Braden_ | I have configured the laptop to send its requests through the ssh tunnel. Is there anything I need to do to my sshd_config file? |
| 17:03.23 | Braden_ | On the server |
| 17:03.35 | Doug52392 | I installed libx11-dev |
| 17:04.38 | Bushmills | n0mad: maybe mythtv - some of its modules - have some overlap with mediatomb |
| 17:04.59 | Doug52392 | x-dev doesn't work by the way, it's a dummy package for transition purposes |
| 17:05.05 | Doug52392 | What else do I install |
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| 17:07.17 | Sebby | how do i unpack *.dsc dpkg-source .. ? |
| 17:07.45 | Sebby | i tryed --help but i don`t understand .. |
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| 17:08.55 | abrotman | !build |
| 17:08.56 | dpkg | http://www.penguin-soft.com/penguin/man/1/dpkg-buildpackage.html |
| 17:08.59 | abrotman | bah .. |
| 17:09.27 | \amethyst | Sebby: a dsc is just a metadata file. It lists an .orig.tar.gz and a .diff.gz that must be downloaded from a deb-src mirror |
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| 17:09.50 | abrotman | Sebby: you get the three files in one directory .. and `debuild -uc -us` .. voila .. done |
| 17:10.12 | liable | man dget |
| 17:10.30 | liable | thought he mentioned that 10 minutes ago |
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| 17:13.53 | abrotman | liable: you did .. maybe he has sheep-lovers on ignore? |
| 17:14.11 | liable | !shear abrotman |
| 17:14.37 | liable | baaah |
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| 17:15.28 | oompa_loompa | Hi everybody |
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| 17:15.48 | oompa_loompa | do you know if there is a way to run fotune on the proftpd welcome message? |
| 17:15.55 | liable | heh, unfortunate nick :) |
| 17:17.08 | oompa_loompa | or in any other service? |
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| 17:18.19 | abrotman | there is a #proftpd |
| 17:18.43 | abrotman | oompa_loompa: don't do that |
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| 17:18.58 | Bushmills | oompa_loompa: i you can't find a way to set up a welcome message by command, there'd be a workaround, through incron: catch the access event on the proftpd message file, and call fortune from it, outputting a new one, and then replacing the old message. |
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| 17:19.10 | beardy | Would probably be quite annoying. |
| 17:19.26 | abrotman | not as annoying as people responding via /notice |
| 17:19.35 | || | Plop ! |
| 17:19.36 | beardy | No, but close. |
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| 17:20.31 | keanu | I'm having problems using iptables with --uid-owner. after switching back to the default debian kernel (a grsec version was installed on the server by default) I ran modprobe ipt_owner without a problem, but iptables still complains about uid-owner being an unknown arg |
| 17:20.32 | beardy | Alright.. |
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| 17:21.17 | keanu | Any ideas what needs to be done to get iptables to accept --uid-owner? |
| 17:21.43 | JyZyXEL | what the hell, i thought ISO didn't have any compression |
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| 17:22.02 | JyZyXEL | yet when i mount 700MB iso file 3.2GB of data appear |
| 17:22.05 | Bushmills | keanu: module owner |
| 17:22.14 | JyZyXEL | thats one hell of a compression also |
| 17:22.20 | keanu | Bushmills, ? |
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| 17:22.50 | beardy | JyZyXEL: What does the image contain? |
| 17:22.58 | JyZyXEL | operating systems |
| 17:23.03 | beardy | JyZyXEL: "appear"? |
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| 17:23.12 | JyZyXEL | well du says its 3.2GB |
| 17:23.14 | Bushmills | keanu: modprobe ipt_owner or xt_owner, not sure which one |
| 17:23.32 | beardy | JyZyXEL: Then maybe, for some reason, they are uncompressed, as the / images usually are. |
| 17:23.44 | keanu | Bushmills, I was able to modprobe ipt_owner without a problem, but xt_owner isn't found |
| 17:23.46 | JyZyXEL | what |
| 17:23.57 | keanu | ipt_owner also shows in lsmod |
| 17:23.59 | JyZyXEL | i thought ISO didn't have compression |
| 17:24.04 | Bushmills | keanu, maybe nf_owner |
| 17:24.13 | Bushmills | do modprobe -l | grep owner |
| 17:24.14 | beardy | JyZyXEL: If it is a livecd, the root file system is uncompressed, because your kernel has support for it. |
| 17:24.18 | beardy | JyZyXEL: It doesn't. |
| 17:24.39 | JyZyXEL | so how do you explain that after mounting it takes 3.2GB |
| 17:24.45 | beardy | I just did. |
| 17:24.49 | keanu | Bushmills, ip6t_owner and ipt_owner are found |
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| 17:25.05 | JyZyXEL | wtf |
| 17:25.11 | JyZyXEL | your explanation didn't make any sense |
| 17:25.52 | abrotman | it's a DVD image? |
| 17:25.58 | JyZyXEL | no its CD image |
| 17:26.03 | JyZyXEL | 719MB |
| 17:26.11 | JyZyXEL | when i mount and du it its 3.2GB |
| 17:26.13 | abrotman | i don't know .. ask beardy! |
| 17:26.18 | abrotman | jeez .. leave me alone! |
| 17:26.19 | Bushmills | keanu: ipt_owner sounds right |
| 17:26.23 | abrotman | pouts |
| 17:26.44 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: tried it on more than one syste? |
| 17:26.46 | abrotman | system? |
| 17:26.50 | ootput | audio sounds 'tinny' after upgrading from etch -> lenny. Have my ears failed me? |
| 17:26.52 | JyZyXEL | yes |
| 17:26.52 | beardy | pets abrotman |
| 17:26.59 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: all debian ? |
| 17:27.06 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 17:27.08 | keanu | Bushmills, as I mentioned before, I didn't get any errors when doing modprobe ipt_owner, and it appears in lsmod, but iptables still doesn't like it |
| 17:27.13 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: all debian-based? |
| 17:27.17 | JyZyXEL | no |
| 17:27.28 | JyZyXEL | the contents of the image is 3.2GB |
| 17:27.29 | abrotman | did you run an md5sum check on the ISO and compare it to the original ? |
| 17:27.44 | JyZyXEL | what original |
| 17:27.55 | abrotman | from where you got the ISO |
| 17:28.02 | JyZyXEL | wtf |
| 17:28.06 | abrotman | wtf wtf |
| 17:28.13 | mypapit | wtf too |
| 17:28.18 | abrotman | wtf^wtf |
| 17:28.24 | maligor | ttf |
| 17:28.28 | Bushmills | keanu: your --uid-owner rule is in the OUTPUT table? |
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| 17:28.33 | JyZyXEL | there are alot of same files multiple times |
| 17:28.37 | JyZyXEL | on different directorys |
| 17:28.38 | keanu | Bushmills, yes |
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| 17:28.50 | JyZyXEL | maybe its a format that uses somekind of linking |
| 17:28.58 | abrotman | or don't md5 it ... |
| 17:29.09 | abrotman | how is this a Debian problem? |
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| 17:29.15 | beardy | !squashfs |
| 17:29.15 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, squashfs is a compressed read-only filesystem for Linux. Squashfs is intended for general read-only filesystem use, for archival use (i.e. in cases where a .tar.gz file may be used), and in constrained block device/memory systems (e.g. embedded systems) where low overhead is needed. The filesystem is currently stable, and has been tested on PowerPC, i586, Sparc and ARM architectures. |
| 17:29.27 | JyZyXEL | yea well its not like there is another channel |
| 17:29.31 | beardy | ^^^ Maybe that got uncompressed when you mounted it, for some reason. |
| 17:29.32 | JyZyXEL | for shit like this |
| 17:29.49 | beardy | Attitude. |
| 17:29.53 | JyZyXEL | well maybe if cdrecord has a channel |
| 17:30.01 | JyZyXEL | they don't |
| 17:30.18 | beardy | wodim |
| 17:30.23 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: ##linux ? |
| 17:30.31 | JyZyXEL | lol |
| 17:30.36 | abrotman | how is that funny? |
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| 17:30.43 | keanu | ushmills, # iptables -A OUTPUT -i eth0 --uid-owner 1000 -j MARK --set-mark 1 |
| 17:30.43 | keanu | iptables v1.3.6: Unknown arg `--uid-owner' |
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| 17:30.56 | keanu | Bushmills, ^ that's what I was running |
| 17:30.59 | JyZyXEL | abrotman go try #linux in IRCNet and youll understand |
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| 17:31.53 | wols | !tell JyZyXEL about they don't know |
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| 17:32.16 | JyZyXEL | !bitches dont know bout my |
| 17:32.57 | wols | oh I do. making a cd seem bigger than it is, is an old trick. very old. stupid too |
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| 17:35.42 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: ##linux .. here .. |
| 17:36.30 | wols | abrotman: and they are better? *g* |
| 17:36.40 | keanu | Bushmills, any ideas? |
| 17:36.42 | abrotman | better than his random questions |
| 17:36.56 | wols | true dat |
| 17:36.57 | Bushmills | keanu: no i get the same with the ipt_owner module |
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| 17:37.09 | keanu | Bushmills, odd |
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| 17:42.37 | Bushmills | keanu: try -m owner |
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| 17:43.07 | quieteyes | anyone know off the top of their head if there is a KDE or Gnome GUI tool for doing quickie Samba configs? |
| 17:43.09 | kdeuser^ | Hey guys.. |
| 17:43.12 | quieteyes | other than swat... |
| 17:43.18 | keanu | Bushmills, iptables -A OUTPUT -i eth0 -m owner 1000 -j MARK --set-mark 1 ? |
| 17:43.21 | kdeuser^ | Are any any other cool console apps like fortune? |
| 17:43.44 | asg | kdeuser^: pom |
| 17:43.44 | quieteyes | kdeuser^: do " ls /usr/bin " sometime... ;) |
| 17:44.07 | asg | kdeuser^: the bsdgames package has some fun stuff in it, like 'wtf(6)' |
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| 17:45.37 | keanu | Bushmills, I (half) got it - # iptables -A OUTPUT -i eth0 -m owner --uid-owner 1000 -j MARK --set-mark 1 |
| 17:45.37 | keanu | iptables v1.3.6: Can't use -i with OUTPUT |
| 17:45.43 | danielhw | hello all :-) |
| 17:45.52 | kdeuser^ | quieteyes: I was actually about to type what you said.. until |
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| 17:46.03 | keanu | Bushmills, I assume just remove -i eth0? |
| 17:46.04 | Sebby | no one can help me? :(( |
| 17:46.12 | n3kl | keanu: you need to use -o eth0 |
| 17:46.40 | keanu | n3kl, oh, ok |
| 17:47.19 | keanu | just realized -i was in-interface, when he assumed it was simply interface |
| 17:47.31 | n3kl | meh, easy mistake |
| 17:47.45 | n3kl | don't let it happen again =] |
| 17:47.53 | keanu | heh |
| 17:48.04 | keanu | iptables says it's an invalid argument |
| 17:48.21 | n3kl | #define 'it\'s' |
| 17:48.21 | keanu | tried both -o eth0 and --out-interface eth0 |
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| 17:48.46 | keanu | # iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -m owner --uid-owner 1000 -j MARK --set-mark 1 |
| 17:48.46 | keanu | iptables: Invalid argument |
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| 17:49.17 | keanu | only thing changed is -i to -o |
| 17:49.17 | n3kl | what is uid-owner? |
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| 17:49.56 | n3kl | keanu: what are you trying to do? I came in late and don't feel like scrolling. |
| 17:50.01 | quieteyes | no takers on what package might provide a nice GUI tool to set up quikie samba shares? |
| 17:50.12 | n3kl | quieteyes: swat |
| 17:50.20 | quieteyes | erm, other than swat :( |
| 17:50.27 | n3kl | quieteyes: vi |
| 17:50.30 | quieteyes | lol ok |
| 17:50.32 | keanu | I'm trying to limit bandwidth between four users, while guaranteeing them around 25mbps. a friend said iptables/tc could be used, and told me to use that line above |
| 17:50.53 | n3kl | quieteyes: whats wrong with doing it manually? |
| 17:50.58 | quieteyes | talking to a samba newbie in #samba and they're coming at it from Windows-land...completely lost...was trying to give them something to soften the culture shock ;) |
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| 17:51.26 | n3kl | keanu: hmm, good luck with that |
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| 17:51.39 | {dada} | hi |
| 17:52.00 | quieteyes | keanu: I know there was some stuff you can do with iptables and qdisc, etc; check online, it's fairly complicated but it works ;) |
| 17:52.20 | shah | my font size on desktop is too small, how to increase it?? |
| 17:52.23 | n3kl | keanu: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/187 |
| 17:52.28 | keanu | quieteyes, I haven't even gotten to the part of using tc yet - this is the first line I'm supposed to run |
| 17:52.48 | Bushmills | keanu: do you use pid-owner or uid-owner? |
| 17:52.55 | keanu | Bushmills, uid-owner |
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| 17:53.00 | n3kl | keanu: that my not be what you are looking for, nevermind |
| 17:53.15 | {dada} | Hi, can someone say me witch library to use to don't have enormous buttons in openoffice.org-writer ? |
| 17:53.21 | n3kl | shah: what dm are you using? |
| 17:53.35 | keanu | n3kl, ok |
| 17:53.56 | Bushmills | keanu: ah. uid-owner works here .. i was trying pid-owner. but with a non-exisiting pid .. |
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| 17:55.23 | Bushmills | keanu: and it seems that xt_owner module is used for it |
| 17:56.07 | keanu | Bushmills, weird. As I mentioned earlier, I had installed linux-image-2.6.18-6 to allow ipt_owner to be used, but that's the only package in installed. perhaps there's another one? |
| 17:56.21 | n3kl | shah: I am sure that gnome has a control panel where you can increase the size of you font. |
| 17:56.35 | hipodilski | I'm running debian lenny audacious crashes with segmentation fault when I try to play some mp3 |
| 17:56.46 | keanu | Bushmills, how can I install the xt_owner module? |
| 17:57.04 | hipodilski | somebody else experiencing the same problem |
| 17:57.05 | SR|| | FastCGI or SCGI? |
| 17:57.18 | Bushmills | keanu: right. each --uid-owner rules increments the xt_owner module user count by 1 |
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| 17:57.54 | keanu | Bushmills, not sure I understand what you mean |
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| 17:58.57 | chops | !tell hipodilski about bts |
| 17:59.01 | Bushmills | keanu, when i modprobe xt_owner, the count of refs to that module, as shown in lsmod, is 0. i add, with iptables, a rule with -m owner, and as result, the count of module uses goes up by 1. |
| 17:59.16 | Bushmills | when i iptables -D ... such a rule, the count goes down too. |
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| 17:59.29 | Bushmills | clear indication that xt_owner is needed and used for -m owner |
| 18:00.04 | keanu | Bushmills, ok. I'm getting "FATAL: Module xt_owner not found." though when I modprobe xt_owner |
| 18:00.11 | bonez45 | is there any tool for debian/etch for setting up file shares, to share linux folders on LAN with XP machines or other machines? |
| 18:00.21 | asg | bonez45: samba |
| 18:00.21 | Bushmills | what kernel is that? |
| 18:00.25 | keanu | xt_MARK shows up in lsmod, if that helps at all |
| 18:00.25 | th1 | hi friends.. what's the best way to set up a vpn, where I have a local network 10.10.4.x and one remote server on the net, that I want to be able to access from the 10.10.4 network through vpn |
| 18:00.33 | keanu | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:00.50 | hipodilski | chops: bts? |
| 18:01.04 | chops | hipodilski: BTS, yes |
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| 18:01.18 | hipodilski | yes it's the bugtracking system of audacious |
| 18:01.19 | hipodilski | I wonder if somebody else is having the problem and is it reported |
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| 18:01.27 | wols | !tell th1 about best |
| 18:01.31 | seanmce | question: Am I wrong to call this a bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490304 |
| 18:01.35 | chops | hipodilski: You could check the BTS, then. Or did you want us to do it for you? :-) |
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| 18:01.48 | kvnet | good morning. is there a apt-get source for openjdk amd64? |
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| 18:02.05 | hipodilski | chops: I think I'm simply going to use xmms |
| 18:02.12 | wols | kvnet: openjdk is not in debian afaik. but: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:02.27 | Bushmills | keanu: appear to come with 2.6.25-2 kernels |
| 18:02.34 | th1 | wols, best as in the best balance between easy to set up, maintain, and works smoothly ;) |
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| 18:03.11 | kvnet | wols: the bot doesnt want to help |
| 18:03.27 | kvnet | wols: may be ubuntu packages ? |
| 18:03.27 | keanu | Bushmills, that doesn't appear to be in the etch repos - does that mean I need to compile it? |
| 18:03.41 | Bushmills | keanu: compare http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=xt_owner.ko&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any and http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=xt_owner.ko&mode=path&suite=unstable&arch=any |
| 18:04.05 | wols | kvnet: we don't know or care about ubuntu. and the bot DOES help |
| 18:04.20 | Bushmills | keanu: let me check on a different system with older kernel |
| 18:04.28 | keanu | Bushmills, ok, thanks |
| 18:04.49 | kvnet | http://wiki.debian.org/Java/OpenJDKPackaging <- :-/ |
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| 18:05.11 | kvnet | "..testing openjdk-6 build from ubuntu sources in sid chroot/pbuilder/... xen vm.." <- care about ubuntu |
| 18:06.12 | Bushmills | keanu: not on 2.6.24, or before ... |
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| 18:06.44 | keanu | Bushmills, ok. how can I go about getting 2.6.25-2? |
| 18:06.51 | Bushmills | but in 2.6.22 kernel headers is xt_owner.h header file |
| 18:07.06 | keanu | odd |
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| 18:07.19 | Bushmills | oops sorry.. that is on backup of another server |
| 18:07.26 | keanu | oh, lol |
| 18:08.13 | Bushmills | keanu: seems you need a much more recent kernel, but i can't give any instruction on how to use recent kernel on etch |
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| 18:08.56 | keanu | Bushmills, ok, so I suppose that means I'd need to compile a new kernel? |
| 18:09.04 | shah | hi all, i hav windows xp + fedora 8, while installing debian it has shown only XP, not fedora in boot list, how to recover my fedora? |
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| 18:09.41 | Bushmills | keanu: ask someone who knows. recent kernel on stable is not my field of expertise |
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| 18:09.42 | kvnet | http://maledivenhilfe.com/debian/java-1.6.0-openjdk-1.6.0.0-0.16-amd64.deb |
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| 18:10.10 | keanu | Bushmills, ok, not sure who to ask, but thanks |
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| 18:10.32 | polpak | Quick question for all you sysadmins out there. What is commonly used to control and manage user accounts across multiple machines? |
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| 18:11.08 | Bushmills | polpak: i used up to recently NIS which is considered obsolete |
| 18:11.23 | asg | polpak: cfengine, puppet (for creating local accounts). NIS. If you want distributed authentication, look at LDAP and/or Kerberos |
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| 18:11.55 | chops | keanu: backports has more recent kernels for etch |
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| 18:14.09 | polpak | Bushmills, asg: What I'm wanting to do is to have a way to control (centrally) user account creation and removal across a number of *nix systems. I thought kerberos and ldap sounded vaguely like what I was looking for, but I haven't managed to really wrap my head around how those tools would be used to solve this problem. |
| 18:14.27 | polpak | users/groups |
| 18:15.12 | Bushmills | polpak: i think we understood that |
| 18:15.13 | keanu | chops, thanks |
| 18:15.19 | asg | polpak: for creation and removal, I'd look at cfengine or puppet; they are designed for that sort of thing. |
| 18:15.36 | kvnet | is puppet widely used? |
| 18:15.57 | asg | kvnet: not as much as cfengine but it is gaining. It's the Ruby part of it that many don't like |
| 18:16.13 | asg | kvnet: iirc, redhat has a python clone that's in development. |
| 18:16.31 | kvnet | asg: I read about puppet long time ago, it runs scripts in the machines, right? |
| 18:16.34 | Bushmills | polpak: unless you mean to say "i don't want a central user file/database" |
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| 18:17.13 | Deepa | My åäö ends up as ['; |
| 18:17.14 | asg | kvnet: runs scripts, verifies configs, pushes files, etc. Very extensible too. |
| 18:17.20 | Deepa | How do I change locale :P? |
| 18:17.21 | kvnet | intersting |
| 18:17.26 | asg | Deepa: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 18:18.01 | Akuw | hi |
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| 18:18.32 | Deepa | asg, still does the same |
| 18:19.20 | keanu | Bushmills, # iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -m owner --uid-owner 1000 -j MARK --set-mark 1 |
| 18:19.20 | keanu | iptables: Invalid argument |
| 18:19.25 | keanu | that's with 2.6.25-2 |
| 18:19.26 | Deepa | locale claims that LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 18:19.41 | keanu | xt_owner appears in lsmod though |
| 18:19.55 | Akuw | i have problems to install a HP Laser Printer |
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| 18:20.16 | Akuw | i installed the drivers, the software |
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| 18:20.47 | Akuw | the software can see the installed printer, but when i send the document to print, nothing is prited |
| 18:20.53 | Bushmills | keanu: -j ACCEPT / DENY does fine. looks like the MARK target is wrong or not compatible with uid-owner |
| 18:21.10 | Bushmills | ehm.. DROP, not DENY |
| 18:21.21 | keanu | I'm assuming I should use ACCEPT? |
| 18:21.47 | Bushmills | at least so you can see that the target is the culprit |
| 18:22.14 | docmax | hi, vlc does play any videos |
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| 18:22.25 | Bushmills | docmax: no. only porn |
| 18:22.39 | docmax | here is what i get: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `avc1' |
| 18:22.40 | anirban | Hi I am having probelm with my DVD drive |
| 18:22.49 | docmax | doesnt i mean |
| 18:22.53 | anirban | by default the DMA is on |
| 18:23.01 | anirban | hdpram shows that |
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| 18:23.15 | justin | docmax: .mov? |
| 18:23.17 | anirban | but I try to play a dvd I got the error mesg in dmesg |
| 18:23.24 | anirban | ide-cd: cmd 0x28 timed out |
| 18:23.56 | anirban | I am using Lenny on AMD 63 |
| 18:24.12 | docmax | no mov |
| 18:24.17 | docmax | Jussi, mkv |
| 18:25.04 | linkslice | what? they ported lenny to amd 63? never thought I'd see the day |
| 18:25.05 | linkslice | ;) |
| 18:25.29 | anirban | I mean AMD 64 |
| 18:25.30 | Bushmills | is that a budget version of AMD64? |
| 18:25.31 | doublehp | after installing hos-ap packages, my wifi card is now managed by the new driver, and called eth1 instead of wifi0 ; removing the package did not change much. How to revert old functionalities ? |
| 18:26.09 | Deepa | My åäö ends up as ['; |
| 18:26.15 | linkslice | Bushmills, yeah every 64th bit is silently dropped |
| 18:26.17 | Deepa | My locale is set to sv_SE.UTF8 |
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| 18:28.26 | Bushmills | linkslice: 98.44 % functional AMD64 to give away cheaply |
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| 18:29.11 | kenjy | guys I installed xfce4 in etch but it don't automount usb devices, cd's etc, I remember that debian have a package who works with xfce and add this feature, can some one remember me what do I need to install to fix this? |
| 18:29.12 | doublehp | They released Kenny first, that was 64 bit ... but, after they killed Kenny, the lost bit have been used to incremented the name to Lenny ^^ |
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| 18:29.25 | abrotman | that was bad |
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| 18:29.56 | Deepa | Does gnome have any language settings? |
| 18:30.08 | wols | !tell kenjy about automount |
| 18:30.13 | Bushmills | in 4 generations there'll be the extra low-cost version called Penny |
| 18:30.17 | Deepa | Because my gnome-terminal is in Swedish and I do not like that :p |
| 18:30.37 | wols | Deepa: you mean the shell inside the terminal? |
| 18:30.49 | Deepa | I'm using X Forwarding |
| 18:30.51 | Deepa | And yes |
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| 18:30.52 | wols | or the terminal menu and the like? |
| 18:30.58 | Bushmills | kenjy: usbmount |
| 18:30.59 | Deepa | Terminal menu too |
| 18:30.59 | wols | that is not gnome there. that is locales |
| 18:31.15 | Deepa | bah |
| 18:31.18 | doublehp | Bushmills: unfortunately, it'l be only 59 bits left ^^ |
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| 18:31.42 | Deepa | I was just told that I had to change locales to sv_SE.UTF8 to be able to write åäö |
| 18:31.49 | Bushmills | yes, your saving - your advantage. |
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| 18:32.01 | kenjy | wols:if I install thunar-volman it will automount devices? or I need to do more steps after the instalation of the package? |
| 18:32.01 | Deepa | Since when I write åäö in my X Forwarded gnome-terminal I get ['; instead |
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| 18:32.25 | wols | kenjy: I'm sure the package comes with docs |
| 18:32.33 | linkslice | Bushmills, the sales slogan is "It beats typewriters" |
| 18:32.36 | kenjy | wols: what about pmount ? |
| 18:32.48 | infinitycircuit | kenjy: you need to install dbus-x11 and then turn on volman in the thunar preferences |
| 18:32.52 | wols | kenjy: heard the word "docs"? ever? |
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| 18:33.15 | kenjy | infinitycircuit: tnks |
| 18:33.36 | ootput | hi guys, i'm currently using offlineimap to sync imap folders. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem that offlineimap has a 'poll imap server' feature that would allow me to quickly see if I have a count of unread mail. Are there any other tools that quickly does this? |
| 18:33.47 | Deepa | bah, åäö works fine in PuTTY |
| 18:34.06 | omry | is nvidia drivers installable in "the debian way" on lenny? |
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| 18:34.24 | wols | omry: yes. if you backport them from sid |
| 18:34.25 | Bushmills | linkslice: while busy saving bits, we also need to save gravity |
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| 18:34.34 | Bushmills | http://scarydevilmonastery.net/gravity |
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| 18:34.41 | silo | hi |
| 18:34.55 | silo | I run debian lenny |
| 18:34.56 | omry | wols, thanks. I`d rather install the officall drivers. |
| 18:35.10 | omry | official. |
| 18:35.16 | ootput | omry: why? |
| 18:35.17 | silo | and everything was fine until I installed gossip from synaptic |
| 18:35.37 | silo | I dont know what happened, I cant open any website, even my routers |
| 18:35.49 | silo | does anyone know what's wrong with it ? |
| 18:35.54 | omry | ootput, because it will take 3 minutes, and porting from sid will take an unknown number of minutes. |
| 18:36.31 | Bushmills | silo: yes, we know. what is wrong with it is, it stopped working |
| 18:36.35 | linkslice | Bushmills, the AMD 63 saves 89^324923493333333333 bits per year!!!! |
| 18:36.36 | wols | omry: just don't ask for help here |
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| 18:36.56 | silo | and what's the solution ? how can i fix it ? |
| 18:37.29 | abrotman | !bts |
| 18:37.30 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 18:37.31 | Bushmills | silo: best course of action is: find out what is wrong, and then take steps to unwrong it |
| 18:37.35 | abrotman | silo: did you try removing it ? |
| 18:37.41 | silo | yes |
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| 18:38.25 | vikasa | hello all |
| 18:38.32 | simonrvn | heh, "unwrong", cute |
| 18:38.39 | vikasa | I seem to have a little probelem with apt-get update |
| 18:38.45 | Bushmills | silo: you could also open a foundation to sponsor us with crystal balls |
| 18:38.46 | abrotman | little ? |
| 18:38.48 | vikasa | I'm getting this.. |
| 18:38.52 | vikasa | W: GPG error: ftp://ftp.utexas.edu etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 18:38.54 | omry | wols, don't be offended. my past experience asking for help on this subject here was that I received conflicting advice from several people. eventually we got it to work but it took 45 minutes. |
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| 18:39.03 | silo | Do you have fun Bushmills ? |
| 18:39.29 | wols | omry: I am not. I only get offended if you ask for any help with that drievr here. it will break your package system in subtle ways |
| 18:39.30 | vikasa | anybody, any idea? |
| 18:39.39 | Bushmills | well, i think i do quite well trying to help you with the limited information you give us |
| 18:39.45 | doublehp | linkslice: can you detail your calculations ? |
| 18:39.56 | ootput | what's the quick way to count the contents of a particular direcotry? |
| 18:40.17 | Bushmills | s/limited/nonexistent/ |
| 18:40.21 | omry | wols, is there a link with up-to-date installation instructions of the nvidia drivers on lenny? |
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| 18:41.02 | wols | !tell omry about ssb |
| 18:41.19 | Bushmills | !tell wols about he's gone |
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| 18:41.37 | doublehp | Bushmills: I am sad he left, but, on the other hand, you are right in meaning he did not allow us to help him :) |
| 18:41.37 | wols | and if you insist on running testing, you fix your own breaks |
| 18:41.39 | xand | yawns |
| 18:41.44 | wols | Bushmills: omry is right here.... |
| 18:41.49 | doublehp | Bushmills: as I always say: help me to help you. |
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| 18:42.42 | fbc | Is there such a thing as a linux router gui? Some kind of gui that will help you prioritize traffic and/or close ports? or is that two separate thing in linux a firewall and router? |
| 18:42.46 | doublehp | !help |
| 18:43.04 | fignew | fbc: yes |
| 18:43.13 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 18:43.14 | dpkg | from memory, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 18:43.18 | abrotman | oh darn it .. wrong one |
| 18:43.24 | wols | fbc: paket filter and NAT is the same thing |
| 18:43.27 | wols | QoS is different |
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| 18:43.41 | abrotman | !closingports |
| 18:43.45 | Bushmills | wols: true |
| 18:43.46 | abrotman | givrseup |
| 18:44.03 | fignew | givrs abrotman a cookie |
| 18:44.05 | fbc | wols, is there a gui that will help you setup and manage such an animal? |
| 18:44.27 | wols | not that I know of. at least no good ones |
| 18:44.56 | wols | QoS is not a silver bullet solution. that takes knowledge and analyizing the situation carefully |
| 18:44.59 | Deepa | Any ideas why åäö would work in PuTTY but not in GNOME-TERMINAL when forwarded to xming? |
| 18:45.10 | fignew | I'd just use a router distro :/ |
| 18:45.19 | Bushmills | fbc: yes there is. generic name for such configuration frontends is "editor" |
| 18:45.28 | fbc | wols, damn. Linux is not real big on wizards. hehe..you gotta be an expert at everything. |
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| 18:46.26 | wols | no you need to read documentaion. and wizards is simply stupid |
| 18:46.27 | td123 | fbc: not an expert, you just have to read |
| 18:46.36 | abrotman | Deepa: echo $TERM in each |
| 18:46.37 | wols | *are |
| 18:46.47 | td123 | wizards hide wayy to much detail |
| 18:47.13 | fbc | td123, yeah, but they get you out of bind quickly until you can get around to reading the finer details to customize. |
| 18:47.13 | Deepa | abrotman, both says xterm |
| 18:47.35 | wols | fbc: yes, they encourage to be lazy. another good reason not to create them |
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| 18:47.59 | td123 | fbc: if you're using wizards, you have the potential of not knowing what is going on |
| 18:48.04 | wols | a wizard educate halfwits that depend on the almighty programmer (or company) to give the user what he wants and needs |
| 18:48.13 | wols | that model is text book for a junkie relationship |
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| 18:48.35 | wols | something that suits MS and apple fine: they make more money that way |
| 18:48.36 | Deepa | abrotman, any ideas? |
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| 18:48.49 | Bushmills | "who said that freedom is easy" :D |
| 18:49.11 | doublehp | freedom is the most difficult thing in life |
| 18:49.15 | doublehp | after installing hos-ap packages, my wifi card is now managed by the new driver, and called eth1 instead of wifi0 ; removing the package did not change much. How to revert old functionalities ? |
| 18:49.30 | wols | doublehp: names don't matter |
| 18:49.34 | td123 | Bushmills: just look at the US its basically "freedom*" |
| 18:49.43 | wols | !tell doublehp about z45 |
| 18:49.58 | wols | !tell doublehp about z25 |
| 18:49.59 | Bushmills | td123: you mean like protesters being caged, that's part of the freedom? |
| 18:50.01 | abrotman | heh |
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| 18:50.18 | fbc | wols, td123 , true but the concept of thinking that a computer should be able to get things done easier, would be supported by the wizards. Who has time to take linux router classes to get something that should be simple done. |
| 18:50.20 | doublehp | wols: names reflect that some features are disabled by the driver; I had the problem years ago on MA401; today, I want to recover ordinary orinoco on MA311. |
| 18:50.47 | Bushmills | well, i suppose that "freedom" is also the privilege by the ruling class to give freedom their own defintion |
| 18:50.56 | wols | doublehp: that's wrong |
| 18:51.23 | td123 | fbc: uhhh, if you truly like wizards, the closest I can think of is ubuntu/mint |
| 18:51.25 | wols | fbc: ît is not simple what you ask. if all you want is normal nat: apt-get ipmasq and you are done |
| 18:51.28 | doublehp | wols: it has nothing to do with udev; it has to do with host-ap, that changed many settings in /etc/modprobe.conf |
| 18:51.32 | td123 | fbc |
| 18:51.36 | td123 | fbc: http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=firewalls |
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| 18:51.47 | abrotman | doublehp: did you check the udev stuff at all ? it has names in there for devices/drives |
| 18:51.49 | abrotman | drivers |
| 18:52.26 | wols | fbc: a firewall is actually a fulltime job |
| 18:52.27 | fbc | wols, td123 , thanks for the help guys.. |
| 18:52.34 | doublehp | wols: by "that's wrong", do mean that what I did on my Gericom Webgine XL with MA401 in 2003 was something that I actually did not do, dramed me playing with /etc, and memorised a part of my life that, because of draeming, never really happen in reality ? |
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| 18:52.36 | td123 | fbc: np |
| 18:52.52 | wols | doublehp: no I mean naming doesn't change properties |
| 18:53.14 | doublehp | wols: abrotman installing host-ap packages changes everything in /etc , and debian does not save/archive files before update. That's all I want to revert |
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| 18:53.25 | doublehp | wols: I said" reflect" |
| 18:53.28 | Bushmills | "windows is free because it helps me sharing my computer with the rest of the world" hehe |
| 18:53.31 | wols | doublehp: you are a good admin and have backups, right? |
| 18:54.00 | doublehp | Bushmills: create a PSTN connection on Windows XP, and try sharing it with anycomputer. I challenge you. |
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| 18:54.28 | danielhw | hi all |
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| 18:54.47 | abrotman | Bushmills: OHO OH .. accept the challenge!!! fight fight fight!@!! |
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| 18:54.56 | td123 | doublehp: remove the cat-5 wire from your computer and try sharing your computer |
| 18:54.58 | Bushmills | doublehp: my non-computer savvy girl friend did so when we had no dsl here, only dial-in through modem. she's on linux now. |
| 18:54.59 | wols | but please do it in #ot |
| 18:55.06 | doublehp | wols: I did not backup the coputer after the 3rd hour of installing; host-ap installation was something i did the first day; and it's only, now, 1y later, that I remember host-ap prevents functioalities I need on this box. |
| 18:55.20 | Bushmills | doublehp: if she managed, it can't really be rocket science |
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| 18:55.58 | doublehp | td123: 1394, Wifi, serial port, // port ... many ways; did all in my life |
| 18:56.25 | abrotman | the dreaded double-slash port!! |
| 18:56.26 | kvnet | so debian doesn't have openjdk :-/ |
| 18:56.31 | abrotman | kvnet: not yet |
| 18:56.45 | kvnet | abrotman: who is working on it? |
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| 18:56.59 | kvnet | I have to download the .bin from sun, puaj |
| 18:57.01 | jarodlau | hello |
| 18:57.03 | wols | kvnet: you read the wiki ferchrissakes. you linked to it yourself |
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| 18:57.22 | doublehp | Bushmills: yes, it works: for the first 5 minutes; after what, you need to remove the connexion, reboot, and reinstall it. After the 5th minute, computers can ping, but not solve names. Recurrent problem with XP sharing PSTN, on 3 of my computers, and 2 for a friend. |
| 18:57.33 | abrotman | kvnet: there is a java group .. and #debian-java channel ... you could ask them |
| 18:57.45 | kvnet | ah ok thank you |
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| 18:57.54 | abrotman | blames doublehp for windows downfalls |
| 18:58.22 | doublehp | abrotman: that's why I need to use my ma311 as non host-ap thing ! |
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| 18:58.30 | abrotman | uh .. right |
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| 18:58.38 | xingu | only vista could sum "I need to poweroff the monitor at 20min idle" with "hmm, this is a hdmi output" and come up with "I know, lets try crashing and restarting the display driver a bunch of times until the box locks solid" |
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| 18:59.00 | Bushmills | doublehp: it did not work too well, agreed. performance-wise it was not a satisfactory experience. and, as soon as my desktop accessed internet though her windows notebook, her own connection essentially stopped. |
| 18:59.03 | wols | xingu: heartwarming story. maybe tell it in ##windows? |
| 18:59.29 | liable | heh |
| 18:59.32 | xingu | tells it to localhost to keep wols happy |
| 18:59.33 | linkslice | jsut pasted it in there |
| 18:59.45 | linkslice | :-p |
| 18:59.47 | liable | sends wols some hapy juice |
| 18:59.49 | doublehp | abrotman: host-ap seems to block use of brctl on this card; I found tutos of people successfully using brctl on ma311 ... but, for people NOT using host-ap ... from expérience with ma401, I know that removing the package does not help; I just forgot which settings change on the way. |
| 19:00.05 | abrotman | so blacklist the driver? |
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| 19:00.41 | linkslice | it's funny the responses I'm getting |
| 19:00.44 | doublehp | Bushmills: the same PSTN modem and connexion settings put on the same machine with Knoppix made the network work for days ... (now 5th day :D ) |
| 19:01.03 | wols | tips off the authorities about liable's drug running |
| 19:01.22 | doublehp | abrotman: do I really need to re-install ? |
| 19:01.24 | wols | doublehp: do you have a debian support question or do you like to talk about windows? |
| 19:02.11 | abrotman | doublehp: i didn't say that |
| 19:02.21 | doublehp | wols: which files does host-ap package change/alter in the system, and how can I recover the original ones ? any way, including manual download accepted ... as long as I can get the original ones. |
| 19:02.52 | abrotman | doublehp: do you have the device PCI ID ? |
| 19:03.48 | doublehp | abrotman: yes: "00:07.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan chipset" that is "00:07.0 0280: 1260:3873" |
| 19:04.16 | Bushmills | that's possibly the orinoco module |
| 19:04.21 | doublehp | abrotman: the original driver takes it as prims 2.0 or 1.0 : loosing the AP feature, but likely to gain brctl support |
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| 19:04.52 | doublehp | Bushmills: orinoco is one the 3 supported drivers |
| 19:05.00 | abrotman | doublehp: make sure you're not blacklisting the orinoco stuff |
| 19:05.02 | liable | i burnt the fuck out of my thumb with boiling hot peanut oil seasoning a wok :( |
| 19:05.17 | doublehp | abrotman: where ? |
| 19:05.18 | liable | just thought i would share that useless info |
| 19:05.29 | arcsky | Hello, i got a routerboard 532 and i wonder if anyone know a guide for install debian on it ? I cant find anything nice |
| 19:06.04 | arcsky | mips based architecture |
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| 19:06.47 | doublehp | abrotman: Bushmills http://rafb.net/p/ACi27937.html orinoco is used actually, but may be a dep of host-ap; I need to get orinoco work without hostap ... |
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| 19:07.47 | Bushmills | doublehp: can't you simply rmmod hostap_pci and hostap ? |
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| 19:09.53 | n3kl | Can someone tell me if vmware will run on the xen kernel? |
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| 19:13.13 | doublehp | abrotman: Bushmills http://lists.shmoo.com/pipermail/hostap/2005-January/009412.html he says it works, with wlan0 ; it does not work for me, I have eth1 ... and I know the name changes from wlan0 to eth1 after installing hostap ... the test to do is really trivial to me: but removing hostap package does not do. |
| 19:14.01 | doublehp | http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/forums.asp?s=2&c=16&t=4705 confirms |
| 19:14.06 | De_Mon | hum debian search engine has been disabled |
| 19:14.14 | Bushmills | doublehp: when i was using the prism, it showed as eth1 too - but in fact i was quite happy about that. |
| 19:14.17 | De_Mon | how else can I search for the package containing genksyms |
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| 19:14.28 | Eulex | !tell De_Mon about search |
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| 19:16.43 | De_Mon | wohoo apt-file rawks |
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| 19:16.49 | De_Mon | thanks |
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| 19:18.38 | twobitwork | n3kl: anything that will run in linux will run in xenlinux |
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| 19:19.26 | nsm | hi everbody |
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| 19:19.57 | nsm | I have a problem whit wxgtk in debian testing |
| 19:20.06 | doublehp | twobitwork: *should* |
| 19:20.10 | Eulex | twobitwork, not entirely true of something that needs a kernel module to function properly |
| 19:20.27 | twobitwork | Eulex: ahh... right, forgot about the vmware module |
| 19:20.37 | wols | doublehp: have you ever truly tried your eth1? |
| 19:20.39 | nsm | import wx says no module named wx |
| 19:21.09 | Eulex | nsm, python? do you have the python wxgtk library installed? |
| 19:21.22 | wols | nsm: wypython it is |
| 19:21.24 | nsm | yes, i have |
| 19:21.39 | nsm | python-wxgtk2.8 and python-wxgtk2.6 |
| 19:21.39 | wols | and it uses the same python version you are using/running? |
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| 19:22.15 | nsm | i think, both are from debian mirrors |
| 19:22.32 | doublehp | wols: yes; and it truely does not work. packets are said to go out of NIC (from ifconfig counter) but are not received by the AP, or reverse way; brctl works in only one way; packets can go from wifi to 802.3, but not reverse way. This kind of bug is very difficult to track; but after 3 years experience, i am 100% sur of me, confirmed by many other users from various places |
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| 19:22.57 | kingsley | Can any tools other than dumpe2fs, fsck and e2fsck report whether an unmounted EXT2 file system is "clean"? |
| 19:23.27 | docmax | hey, current vlc in lenny has some bugs... aggree? |
| 19:23.46 | wols | !tell docmax about bts |
| 19:24.00 | liable | doublehp: looking at your first post, you are confused |
| 19:24.04 | De_Mon | hrm |
| 19:24.13 | docmax | wols |
| 19:24.13 | doublehp | wols: brctl did not work at all with wifi cards on linux at the beginning; that why ebtables have been created (a tool that was compleetely useless for good 802.3 cards). ebtables became famous with wifi, as workaround. MA311 is in half way:: it works "with the right driver" |
| 19:24.15 | liable | doublehp: wifi0 is a master iface |
| 19:24.37 | liable | hasnt gotten paste the first few comments |
| 19:24.44 | nsm | wols do you use lenny? |
| 19:24.50 | doublehp | liable: youa re right; I meant wlan0 |
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| 19:25.14 | wols | nsm: don't "think". check instead |
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| 19:26.07 | liable | subscribes to the not thinking school of thought |
| 19:26.18 | doublehp | liable: I need to undo what installation of hostap package did. as first try. I know installing this changes many things (i experienced it once); but today, I can not reinstall debian on the box, because I am on PSTN for weeks. |
| 19:26.42 | liable | doublehp: what do you mean by undo? |
| 19:26.54 | Bushmills | hehe .. just reading about a flat panel technology for 12000 dpi |
| 19:27.07 | doublehp | liable: recovert the state of how the machine was before I install hostap packages |
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| 19:27.21 | wols | Bushmills: 1mm^2 screens? cool! |
| 19:27.32 | liable | doublehp: which bits do you need to recover? gimme details |
| 19:27.35 | doublehp | lol |
| 19:27.35 | Bushmills | wols: for head mounted displays |
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| 19:27.54 | wols | yes but it's still only 1mm^2 at decent res |
| 19:28.06 | doublehp | Bushmills: isn't DLP close to that ? |
| 19:28.08 | Bushmills | 200 nm dot pitch |
| 19:28.42 | doublehp | liable: likely /etc and/or /lib/modules |
| 19:28.51 | Bushmills | http://snl.mit.edu/projects.html, bottom right link, field emiiter array flat panel displays |
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| 19:29.12 | liable | doublehp: no, explain what you need to be as it was? what is broken. |
| 19:29.24 | doublehp | liable: it may be files installed by the package that overwrites system ones, or files modified by install scripts |
| 19:29.53 | liable | doublehp: whats the exact problem? an iface has changed names or what? |
| 19:29.57 | doublehp | liable: I want that after rebooting, my card is not recognised as prims2, but prism1 |
| 19:30.23 | docmax | how can i downgrade a package? |
| 19:30.32 | wols | !downgrade |
| 19:30.32 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 19:30.54 | liable | doublehp: hmm, is hostapd still installed? hostapd shouldnt install kernel modules |
| 19:30.55 | Bushmills | !nilfs |
| 19:30.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nilfs is a log-structured file system for linux. it automatically checkpoints file changes, those can be made permanent by changing them to snapshots. nilfs has been developed bt the Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation: http://www.nilfs.org/en/about_nilfs.html |
| 19:31.08 | liable | fuck sake |
| 19:31.11 | Bushmills | could be used to downgrade |
| 19:31.18 | doublehp | liable: as already said, it's not a problem of names; ifname could fix that. It's a problem of features: hostap adds AP features, but seems to break brctl compatibility: i need brctl, 2 URL say it works with MA311 ... thos URL say about wlan0 to work, when I have eth1 that does not work. |
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| 19:31.22 | liable | you *can* downgrade *one*package |
| 19:31.43 | maligor | Bushmills, that name brings into mind the absense of filesystem, heh :P |
| 19:32.02 | Bushmills | maligor: indeed, that's why i ignored it at first |
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| 19:32.16 | liable | why do regulars have an instant relex to trigger the bot without fucking thinking? |
| 19:32.18 | docmax | damn |
| 19:32.27 | doublehp | liable: fact hostap is installed is not 100% the key point; removing it does not help; tried already. Actually, it is installed, and previously, in 2005, I could get MA401 as prism 1 just by tweaking /etc files ... but i forgot how |
| 19:32.37 | maligor | liable, I think they're bots too! |
| 19:32.42 | wols | liable: and the factoid clearly says so |
| 19:32.57 | kanzure | So, the wine people aren't being helpful-- does anybody know what (diagnostic) steps I should take before submitting a bug report to the wine people? |
| 19:33.06 | ma3x | iceweasel is such a piece of shit |
| 19:33.08 | ma3x | keeps crashing |
| 19:33.13 | wols | liable: and instead me typing all that stuff above, it's easier when the bot tells it. that's what the factoid is for |
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| 19:33.36 | kanzure | Since it's OpenGL related I'm suspecting it might be on my end, since others used to have good results with wine and the app I'm using on previous versions of wine (0.94~, whereas I'm using the latest 1.x stuff). |
| 19:33.41 | Bushmills | ma3x: using any extension leftovers from 2.x ? |
| 19:33.53 | doublehp | liable: so you think: remove package, and update or down the kernel ? |
| 19:34.03 | wols | ma3x: also sometime shelps to start a fresh profile |
| 19:34.04 | ma3x | Bushmills: how do I know? I just upgraded it |
| 19:34.05 | nsm | yes wol both use python 2.5 |
| 19:34.13 | nsm | wols |
| 19:34.30 | wols | nsm: wx could be in a "subdir" |
| 19:34.40 | Bushmills | ma3x: start with a new profile. iceweasel -ProfileManager |
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| 19:34.46 | wols | dunno the exactl import statement, e.g. import wx/wc or such |
| 19:34.58 | liable | doublehp: i'm not sure i understand, if hostapd doesnt add a kernel module, why do you think it broke your driver? |
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| 19:35.34 | wols | liable: he said something about modutils files rewrite earlier |
| 19:35.43 | doublehp | liable: things I did to get MA401 back to wlan0 was changing something like /etc/pcmcia/hostap or sth like that. |
| 19:35.53 | wols | doublehp: is the prism2 and prism1 driver the same file? same module? |
| 19:36.16 | doublehp | liable: it was in etc any way, about pcmcia or hotplug, and after customising 2 or 3 files, I just had to eject and insert the card. |
| 19:36.26 | doublehp | wols: no |
| 19:36.52 | wols | doublehp: then simply blacklist the one you don't want and load the other. done |
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| 19:36.52 | liable | doublehp: so cant you fix those files you edited? |
| 19:36.52 | wols | abrotman told you that ages ago |
| 19:37.20 | liable | doublehp: or you want us to remember what you did for you? |
| 19:37.41 | wols | liable: hostap debconf did it accoridng to him |
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| 19:37.56 | doublehp | liable: it was 3 or 4 years ago, I forgot what I did, and it was on a computer that broke 2 years ago. Even if i recover BU of this computer, it was a debian from 2003 ... |
| 19:38.08 | fairway | hi all |
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| 19:38.50 | fairway | i want to save the image for a 2GB or 4GB FLASH image on 1 USB stick only. how do I manage to save a image which will fit on both sticks. |
| 19:38.51 | doublehp | liable: no, but what installing a package could have do |
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| 19:39.00 | fairway | Assumed that the image will always be < 2 GB |
| 19:39.15 | doublehp | wols: I asked minutes ago "where ?" and had no answer |
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| 19:39.26 | wols | !tell doublehp about blacklist |
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| 19:39.31 | doublehp | thx |
| 19:39.53 | liable | is confused as hell |
| 19:39.54 | liable | time for bed |
| 19:40.52 | Bushmills | fairway: loop mount and copy over? |
| 19:41.05 | fairway | Bushmills: what means loop mount? |
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| 19:41.23 | fairway | Bushmills: how about cpio & zsplit? |
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| 19:41.40 | Bushmills | fairway: mount -o loop,offset=nnnn usbstack dir |
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| 19:41.51 | fairway | k |
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| 19:42.02 | fairway | i dunno what it means though |
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| 19:42.13 | Bushmills | offset is number of bytes to where your partition begins |
| 19:42.38 | doublehp | fairway: imagine I burn an ISO on CD: i can mount the CD. So, why not mount the ISO without burning it and spending cents into vinil ? "mount -o loop /tmp/myiso.iso /mnt/mytempdir " is a perfct equivalent to Windows CD emulators. |
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| 19:43.09 | fairway | doublehp: thanks makes sense |
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| 19:43.24 | Bushmills | s/stack/stick/ |
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| 19:43.32 | Sebby | <Sebby> i have a problem when i try to ./configure pgtcl under Debian ,i get an error |
| 19:43.32 | Sebby | <Sebby> checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 10542: syntax error near unexpected token `(' |
| 19:43.32 | Sebby | <Sebby> ./configure: line 10542: ` if (length($1)) { printf "CEVERSION=\"%s\"\n", $1; \' |
| 19:43.37 | Sebby | need help |
| 19:43.37 | doublehp | fairway: imagine you make a compleet back up of a hard disk, like "cat /dev/hdc > /tmp/bigfile" containing everything, all partitions and so ... then, mount -o loop with a few more arguments can let you mount partitions stored in that stuff. |
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| 19:44.25 | doublehp | fairway: loop means: local mount, or "loopback" (*here*), by opposition with "real hardware" that imply an idea of "distance" ... |
| 19:44.35 | fairway | thanks I undestand now |
| 19:45.04 | doublehp | cpio and zsplit are compression tools, to build things like archives, or RamDisks ... for special purposes |
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| 19:46.12 | doublehp | wols: liable : gotta reboot my router. Thx. Brb any way in minutes. |
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| 19:46.16 | td1231 | Is there a description of what packages are included in the "laptop, standard system, and desktop environment" sections when you first install debian? |
| 19:47.22 | DawnLight | can i please have a command to display only the first column? |
| 19:47.46 | Bushmills | DawnLight: man cut or man awk |
| 19:47.46 | doublehp | DawnLight: cat foo | cut -d " " -f1 |
| 19:47.53 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 19:47.58 | Bushmills | of you're couragious, man sed |
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| 19:48.46 | abrotman | DawnLight: awk |
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| 19:48.51 | abrotman | i'm slow |
| 19:49.05 | DawnLight | i'm not going to learn scripting languages |
| 19:49.23 | doublehp | DawnLight: that's assuming space as col separator ; for comma: -d"," ... of the col separator is not a specific char, it's hell more complex |
| 19:49.24 | abrotman | laziness is not a virtue |
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| 19:49.35 | Bushmills | right, no need to if the channel spoon feeds you |
| 19:49.45 | doublehp | :) |
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| 19:50.16 | doublehp | any one can answer td1231 ? I am curious about answer to this question, before I reboot my router :) |
| 19:50.38 | abrotman | answer him yourself |
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| 19:51.02 | doublehp | abrotman: I did not find any virtual package that could fit this kind of things. |
| 19:51.07 | abrotman | putz |
| 19:51.09 | esteel | is there an easy way to put the current GTK foreground and background colors into Xresources? so that non-gtk programs will look more similar to all others on screen? |
| 19:51.10 | keith4 | yes, there is. i've asked that question before |
| 19:51.17 | abrotman | td1231: tasksel --task-packages laptop |
| 19:51.21 | td1231 | well I have gotton to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds02.html.en#ftn.id2549663 but I can't find the packages the tasks install |
| 19:51.38 | abrotman | td1231: for the 'standard' .. it's something like `aptitude search "~pstandard" |
| 19:51.41 | abrotman | end ` |
| 19:51.50 | doublehp | :) |
| 19:51.57 | abrotman | hopes doublehp will go away now |
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| 19:52.11 | esaym | zomg I updated my lenny to the new iceweasel 3 that came in the updates and not iceweasel does not start at all |
| 19:52.21 | esaym | and now* |
| 19:52.24 | keith4 | wow, the laptop grouping is surprisingly small |
| 19:52.26 | doublehp | sure :) |
| 19:52.29 | abrotman | esaym: you may want to try to move your .mozilla to .mozila-old and rty again |
| 19:52.36 | Bushmills | esaym: iceweasel -ProfileManager |
| 19:52.37 | DawnLight | i have other roles to play. i shouldn't spend this much time on scripting languages. strictly overkill |
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| 19:53.00 | abrotman | awk and sed are pretty useful |
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| 19:53.23 | keith4 | DawnLight: learning how to use 'cut' hardly qualifies as a scripting language ;-) |
| 19:53.25 | esaym | abrotman: I am very smart, see I moved the .mozilla folder 'before' the update. But maybe I am too smart and doing this just screwed me, maybe I will try and move it back.... |
| 19:53.44 | keith4 | esaym: run it from a terminal, and see what it pukes about |
| 19:53.51 | DawnLight | i'll learn cut next time i'll want to use it, sure |
| 19:54.37 | esaym | keith4: yea nothing is displayed but I just noticed that the .mozilla folder that was created by the installed is owned by root... strange... |
| 19:54.56 | abrotman | esaym: ask me in a couple of hours when i get home :) |
| 19:54.57 | enry | whats the advantages of having seperate partitions instead of one big / partition ? |
| 19:55.11 | enry | like for instance is there a security advantage to /tmp having it's own partition? |
| 19:55.12 | kenjy | I can't unmount devices with xfce, Im ussing ivman, can you help me? |
| 19:55.28 | kenjy | it show: the device is not mounted by you, but Im in the plugdev group |
| 19:55.30 | keith4 | enry: runaway log files can't fill up / if you have separate filesystems |
| 19:55.52 | enry | only significant advantage? |
| 19:55.56 | esaym | ok, deleteing the root owned .mozilla folder fixed it |
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| 19:56.11 | enry | i'm just wondering if it's worth the headache of partitioning it |
| 19:56.25 | esaym | maybe I should file a bug report because the update install .mozilla as root? |
| 19:56.37 | keith4 | enry: depends what the box is going to do |
| 19:56.49 | keith4 | and how many users, how much disk, etc. |
| 19:56.52 | keith4 | there is no easy answer |
| 19:56.52 | enry | keith4: will be a server, multiple things, mail,dns,web |
| 19:57.08 | Bushmills | esaym: it doesn'y |
| 19:57.09 | Bushmills | t |
| 19:57.20 | Bushmills | it creates it only when *running* iceweasel |
| 19:57.30 | fairway | what is the max. size for a usb boot stick? |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | enry: it can matter .. like lets say you'll have heavy logging .. it would suck to have / fill up because you were logging tons of stuff .. or if it were a public ftp server .. so on and so forth |
| 19:58.02 | keith4 | sucks a lot when / fills up |
| 19:58.16 | wols | abrotman: or cause you run a cyrus imapd. now THAT sucks when the partition's full :P |
| 19:58.30 | enry | but isnt that what log rotation is all about, and removing logs weekly/monthly? |
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| 19:58.51 | valdyn | enry: logrotate can only compensate so much |
| 19:58.52 | wols | enry: yes it does but depending what you log and what happens GByte logs are not rare |
| 19:58.54 | keith4 | enry: you'd be amazed how big an apache log can get during a DOS attempt |
| 19:59.33 | kenjy | can some one help me? |
| 19:59.35 | enry | ok so for a general server, you'd advise / , /var , and a swap partition? how about /tmp? |
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| 20:00.01 | keith4 | enry: a quick google yields some advice: http://lissot.net/partition/partition-04.html |
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| 20:00.12 | itchi | iceweasel 3: #486354 - iceweasel: Iceweasel rc2 does not start, #484270 - iceweasel 3.0~b5-4 seg fault, #489513 - [iceweasel] crash if no network (nic) is found on the machine, #490360 - iceweasel: freezes after few hours of usage, #490263 - iceweasel hangs on start-up, waiting for a futex release ... |
| 20:00.19 | itchi | Heh, should i do the upgrade? :-p |
| 20:00.27 | abrotman | enry: there's also the inode issue .. less likely but possible |
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| 20:00.44 | abrotman | itchi: you've got multiple other browsers to use if it fails to work |
| 20:00.47 | cvbcbcvbcvb | hi have a dual boot with xp and debian etch. Both are very slow / unresponsive. wHAT MIGHT BE THE PROBLEM AND HOW TO FIX |
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| 20:00.57 | cvbcbcvbcvb | OOPS SRY FOR CAPS |
| 20:01.08 | itchi | abrotman: Or rollback :-) |
| 20:01.11 | valdyn | cvbcbcvbcvb: we cant know, check the logs |
| 20:01.14 | n3kl | cvbcbcvbcvb: get a better computer |
| 20:01.19 | Bushmills | kenjy: http://www.tldp.org |
| 20:01.43 | kenjy | Bushmills: I asked a specific question |
| 20:01.47 | cvbcbcvbcvb | no this has just happend fast and responsive then slow |
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| 20:02.11 | abrotman | cvbcbcvbcvb: fan died? CPU clocked down ? |
| 20:02.11 | valdyn | cvbcbcvbcvb: we cant help you without more information. |
| 20:02.13 | Bushmills | kenjy: i see only "(20:59:33) kenjy: can some one help me?" |
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| 20:02.20 | n3kl | kenjy: try mounting the device? |
| 20:02.25 | kenjy | Bushmills: read up |
| 20:02.29 | n3kl | Bushmills: up farther |
| 20:02.32 | Bushmills | !enter |
| 20:02.32 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 20:02.34 | kenjy | I can't unmount devices with xfce, Im ussing ivman, can you help me? |
| 20:02.37 | kenjy | it show: the device is not mounted by you, but Im in the plugdev group |
| 20:02.44 | n3kl | Bushmills: agreed |
| 20:02.49 | keith4 | kenjy: pastebin your fstab |
| 20:02.58 | td1231 | cvbcbcvbcvb: debian and windows shouldn't be interfering with one another. make sure your hardware is working correctly |
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| 20:03.18 | keith4 | cvbcbcvbcvb: aren't you missing a 'v' in there somewhere? |
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| 20:04.01 | kenjy | keith4: http://rafb.net/p/uB3RNP99.html but I need a automount like in gnome but in xfce, ivman should do the work, it mounts the device but I can't umount nothing |
| 20:04.11 | kenjy | it show: the device is not mounted by you, but Im in the plugdev group |
| 20:04.25 | td1231 | keith4: you're right, cvbc[here is the missing v]bcvbcvb |
| 20:04.29 | valdyn | kenjy: so its mounted by someone else, duh |
| 20:04.33 | fairway | is there a good shell GUI ncurses based for shell scripting? |
| 20:04.37 | itchi | cvbcbcvbcvb: Do you have some spare HDD? |
| 20:04.44 | fairway | suchh as opening pop up windows etc for installers? |
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| 20:04.52 | valdyn | fairway: sure |
| 20:04.53 | kenjy | valdyn: of course drwxrwx--- 6 ivman plugdev 5120 2008-07-11 14:56 sda1 |
| 20:05.10 | kenjy | valdyn: its mounted by ivman |
| 20:05.38 | kenjy | valdyn: the device its automounted, I can read/write on it but I can't unmount it ... |
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| 20:06.00 | valdyn | kenjy: its automounted for someone else |
| 20:06.05 | Bushmills | fairway: whiptail or dialog |
| 20:06.06 | n3kl | kenjy: try adding users to the mount options in fstab |
| 20:06.22 | keith4 | kenjy: change 'user' to 'users' in fstab, for the device in question |
| 20:06.29 | Bushmills | fairway: assuming you look for pop up dialogs |
| 20:06.59 | valdyn | kenjy: i dont really know about ivman, but g-v-m ends up like that often if you have multiple users logged in |
| 20:07.02 | kenjy | keith4: the device its not in fstab because this should be managed throw ivman, (just like gnome do it with his gnome-volume-manager) |
| 20:07.09 | valdyn | kenjy: automagicaly mounts for one user and the other is fucked |
| 20:07.24 | kenjy | valdyn: I only have one user |
| 20:07.24 | itchi | Ah! iceweasel work :-p |
| 20:07.27 | abrotman | misses pop-up video |
| 20:07.30 | kenjy | valdyn: loged in, me |
| 20:07.41 | valdyn | kenjy: ok, I see |
| 20:07.53 | keith4 | dunno. never used ivman, to my knowledge |
| 20:08.39 | valdyn | fairway: see the 'dialog' package |
| 20:09.14 | kenjy | can some one help me to automount/umount devices in xfce? |
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| 20:11.03 | enry | keith4: how much space out of a 80gb drive would you throw into /var ... I'd like it to have a comfortable room but not oversize it than a reasonable amount |
| 20:11.28 | n3kl | enry: 5-10G |
| 20:11.50 | valdyn | enry: its your server, can hardly know the requirements when we dont know your workload |
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| 20:12.20 | valdyn | enry: + you might just make /var/log an extra partition, not /var, depending on the stuff you are going to run |
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| 20:12.34 | keith4 | enry: if you're worried about mis-sizing things, you might want to look at LVM. but... that's an entirely different argument |
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| 20:13.25 | shah | hi, im unable to install vlc media player, its giving error as broken packages |
| 20:13.34 | shah | how to install vlc? |
| 20:13.36 | kenjy | can some one help me to automount/umount devices in xfce? |
| 20:13.40 | valdyn | shah: run stable |
| 20:14.07 | shah | how to run stable? |
| 20:14.15 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 20:14.15 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
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| 20:14.55 | keith4 | kenjy: ask #xfce? |
| 20:15.08 | kenjy | keith4: its not a xfce problem |
| 20:15.28 | kenjy | keith4: its the ivman package |
| 20:16.06 | keith4 | kenjy: then perhaps you should re-word your question ;-) |
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| 20:18.01 | hayalci | Hi, I had a problem abour terminal flow control, I realized that one of my machines have flow control on ( stty -a gives "ixon" ) all the others have "-ixon" this causes probmes with "ctrl-s" which is used for bash history search, as well as other programs. The machines are standard debian minimal installations, where does the "ixon" gets set at login ? |
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| 20:24.54 | shah | anyone help me out in installing vlc media player |
| 20:25.09 | rsk | shah: apt-get install vlc ? |
| 20:25.58 | Bushmills | hayalci: xon/xoff is software flow control. dtr/dsr is hardware flow control. you want both ends to match the type of flow control. |
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| 20:26.22 | n3kl | fai is the shiznit! |
| 20:26.37 | Bushmills | hayalci: ah ctrl-s is the stop byte for software flow control |
| 20:26.51 | shah | rsk, http://pastebin.com/m42b76351 |
| 20:27.34 | Bushmills | hayalci: software flow control is enabled or disabled on application level. |
| 20:27.37 | rahul | Bushmills: he doesn't have a conflict, I don't think. he has a machine that really wants xon/xoff |
| 20:27.53 | rsk | shah: file a bug report |
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| 20:28.09 | shah | how to do that? |
| 20:28.19 | shah | and suggest me a media player |
| 20:28.23 | rahul | hayalci: is the one that wants flow control badly a debian box? |
| 20:28.36 | rsk | shah: try mplayer |
| 20:28.47 | Bushmills | rahul: yes. so he can turn it off if he likes, on both ends. just saying "must match" |
| 20:28.49 | rahul | shah: man reportbug |
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| 20:29.32 | hayalci | Bushmills: rahul: the current problem is, some machines have "-ixon" and they have no problem, some machines have "ixon" and I have problem with ctrl+s. I want to find out where does the setting is applied in config files and change it (rather than putting "stty -ixon" into .bash_profile) |
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| 20:29.56 | rahul | hayalci: ... and what is the OS of the ones that have a problem? |
| 20:29.59 | hayalci | Thay are all debian, broken ones are plain installations, properly working ones seem to be debootstrapped XEM machines |
| 20:30.08 | hayalci | Xen machines |
| 20:30.15 | rahul | ok |
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| 20:30.32 | n3kl | hayalci: is xen better than vmware? |
| 20:30.47 | hayalci | n3kl: it is free software ;) |
| 20:30.59 | n3kl | hayalci: so is vmware server tho |
| 20:31.31 | rahul | hayalci: it seems to be set in /etc/termcap |
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| 20:31.52 | rahul | hayalci: $TERM is probably different in Xen... check that |
| 20:32.28 | hayalci | rahul: the strange thing is, I dont have /etc/termcap. none of my machines have it |
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| 20:32.39 | rahul | well, that's fine |
| 20:32.43 | rahul | terminfo is better anyway |
| 20:32.45 | hayalci | rahul: all TERM variables are xterm |
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| 20:32.55 | rahul | strange |
| 20:32.57 | fbc | where is the custom.dic file for firefox located? I added a word to the dictionary by mistake. |
| 20:33.24 | hayalci | n3kl: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html |
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| 20:34.29 | jaggy- | anyone else have this problem with vim once they use debian/etch? -- when I suspend (^Z) and run a command, vim will lock up after I foreground (fg) until I hit ^C .. then it redraws and works fine. |
| 20:34.33 | simonrvn | fbc: in the profile dir |
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| 20:34.46 | n3kl | hayalci: ya ya. I am not talking about the philosophy of free. I ran xen for a while and really liked it, can't really remember why I switched to vmware server, and now I am looking for a reason to move back to xen. |
| 20:35.52 | DawnLight | how can i display all packages which are currently installed and are not automatically installed? |
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| 20:36.09 | DawnLight | in other words, all manually installed packages? |
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| 20:36.43 | DawnLight | ah, i see a way... |
| 20:37.04 | eth01 | and the stars don't even matta. |
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| 20:43.42 | quagga | is there any chance lenny is going to bump up to 2.6.25+? |
| 20:44.19 | Bushmills | !8ball will lenny come with 2.6.25? |
| 20:44.19 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
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| 20:45.36 | Bushmills | dpkg, do better than that |
| 20:45.36 | dpkg | eagerly does better than that |
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| 20:45.43 | luxores | hello |
| 20:46.02 | luxores | I ve made a configuration change on my ejabberd |
| 20:46.27 | luxores | after this change, the server doesnt start |
| 20:46.46 | jelly-home | dpkg, do Bushmills |
| 20:46.46 | dpkg | reluctantly agrees to do Bushmills |
| 20:46.55 | jelly-home | !botsnack |
| 20:46.56 | dpkg | jelly-home: :) |
| 20:47.04 | fairway | i get a gpg error with apt-get: the follwing sifgnatures couldnt be verified... |
| 20:47.13 | Bushmills | dpkg, eat jelly-home |
| 20:47.13 | dpkg | eats jelly-home, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 20:47.29 | fairway | because the public key is not available |
| 20:47.30 | fairway | wtf |
| 20:47.33 | luxores | so i ve revoke the change, but the ejabberd wouldnt start |
| 20:47.44 | luxores | what can i do? |
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| 20:47.49 | Bushmills | luxores: copy your previous ejabberd.cfg back |
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| 20:48.31 | luxores | Bushmills, i have |
| 20:48.46 | luxores | the server wouldnt start |
| 20:49.09 | luxores | i tryd a dpkg reconfigure... |
| 20:49.28 | hayalci | rahul: Bushmills: There is a bug about being ixon "on" by default; http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=383760 |
| 20:49.31 | Bushmills | luxores: look into /var/log/ejabberd/ejabberd.log why it won't start |
| 20:49.35 | hayalci | Don't you have this problem ? |
| 20:49.41 | hayalci | What is your stty -a output |
| 20:49.54 | hayalci | and does ctrl+s does "i-search" in bash ? |
| 20:49.56 | luxores | Bushmills, he cancel the start, before he write anything into the logs |
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| 20:50.11 | phrozen77 | luxores, strace it then |
| 20:50.12 | phrozen77 | ^^ |
| 20:50.25 | Bushmills | hayalci: i'm not using devices on rs232 at all |
| 20:50.53 | hayalci | Bushmills: I also don't use them, my problem is with plain old xterms. ( or, yakuakes :D ) |
| 20:51.09 | fairway | apt-get install winxp |
| 20:51.33 | Bushmills | ehm ... somehow i misunderstood,. thought you had problems with rs232 flow control |
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| 20:52.01 | luxores | phrost6, should i strace the init script or the ejabberd |
| 20:52.02 | hayalci | Bushmills: nope :) |
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| 20:53.11 | phrozen77 | luxores, both should work |
| 20:53.59 | Bushmills | luxores: check, with ps, if there's still a version in memory |
| 20:54.03 | luxores | Crash dump was written to: erl_crash.dump |
| 20:54.03 | luxores | Kernel pid terminated (application_controller) ({application_start_failure,kernel,{shutdown,{kernel,start,[normal,[]]}}}) |
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| 20:55.28 | luxores | Bushmills, ive lock with ps aux |grep ejabber; no process found |
| 20:56.05 | n3kl | How can I shutdown a machine if I cant find init poweroff or halt? |
| 20:56.17 | phrozen77 | pull the plug |
| 20:56.17 | phrozen77 | :) |
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| 20:56.29 | n3kl | remotely |
| 20:56.35 | phrozen77 | SOL |
| 20:56.42 | n3kl | damnt |
| 20:57.08 | markus_ | I'm ssh-ing on a new etch-install on my slug, and it forces me to change password every time I login, wtf is happening and can I stop that? |
| 20:57.16 | Eulex | n3kl, shutdown? and are you logged in as root, or have sudo permissions? |
| 20:57.22 | n3kl | should be like an echo doitnowmotherfer > /proc/yesmaster |
| 20:57.37 | n3kl | Eulex: yeah, I started randomly deleting folders and stuff |
| 20:57.46 | Eulex | -.- |
| 20:58.13 | luxores | oh, suddenly the ejabberd starts... |
| 20:58.14 | luxores | how ever |
| 20:58.21 | luxores | thanks for the help :) |
| 20:58.30 | Bushmills | luxores: anything listening to tcp 5222? netstat ... |
| 20:58.36 | Eulex | n3kl, can you transfer a /sbin/shutdown there? |
| 20:58.56 | Eulex | and all libs it would need... |
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| 20:59.27 | luxores | Bushmills, i dont know, why the ejabberd wouldnt start :( |
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| 21:00.15 | n3kl | Eulex: damn. /etc/passwd has been removed, can't ssh |
| 21:00.47 | AfterDeath | uh, n3kl |
| 21:00.53 | Eulex | n3kl, can you download files onto it |
| 21:00.58 | Eulex | AfterDeath, greetings |
| 21:01.06 | AfterDeath | n3kl: do you need to do a *safe*shutdown? |
| 21:01.06 | n3kl | no wget |
| 21:01.10 | n3kl | no |
| 21:01.16 | luxores | the main thing is, that the ejabberd starts yet :) |
| 21:01.20 | AfterDeath | n3kl: echo o > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
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| 21:01.40 | AfterDeath | hoping to high heaven that your kernel was compiled with magic sysrq |
| 21:01.46 | AfterDeath | if so, it will shut down instantly. |
| 21:01.52 | Eulex | oh, right |
| 21:02.01 | fairway | sorry anyone |
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| 21:02.04 | n3kl | AfterDeath: nice, I thought there might be some sysreq thing I could do remotely. |
| 21:02.50 | AfterDeath | ya |
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| 21:03.07 | n3kl | AfterDeath: thanks |
| 21:03.08 | Eulex | n3kl, just curious, how are you planning to fix this after you've made it shut down? |
| 21:03.13 | AfterDeath | echo X > /proc/sysrq-trigger (can only be done as root), lets you use sysrq commands from CLI. no problem :) |
| 21:03.34 | n3kl | Eulex: reformat it when I get home |
| 21:03.45 | Eulex | ok, sounds like a plan |
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| 21:04.31 | jd_ | hello |
| 21:04.42 | shah | plz help me out in installing vlc.. /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 21:04.43 | shah | http://pastebin.com/mc8e4ebb |
| 21:04.46 | n3kl | Eulex: find / -type f -iname "*s*" -exec rm -f {} + will break a system pretty fast |
| 21:04.56 | jd_ | anyway to get pidgin from etch to use google chat? or will i have to get a newer version? |
| 21:04.58 | shah | the error i get while doing apt-get install vlc is |
| 21:04.58 | shah | http://pastebin.com/m42b76351 |
| 21:05.12 | Eulex | n3kl, ah, haha :) |
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| 21:07.24 | markus_ | nobody for my problem? |
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| 21:08.35 | DawnLight | markus_: ahm... is this debian? |
| 21:08.54 | markus_ | DawnLight: "this? |
| 21:09.08 | DawnLight | markus_: what is a slug? |
| 21:09.29 | markus_ | DawnLight: nslu2, network storage device? |
| 21:09.44 | DawnLight | anyway, does it run debian? |
| 21:09.50 | markus_ | DawnLight: it does. |
| 21:10.01 | DawnLight | etch? |
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| 21:10.20 | markus_ | I think so. |
| 21:10.22 | markus_ | Linux LKGAD3B65 2.6.18-6-ixp4xx #1 Tue Feb 12 00:57:53 UTC 2008 armv5tel |
| 21:10.57 | pleed | Hi, does anyone use supervise? i m trying daemontools and my problem is that /services/$SERVICE/run scripts are executed every second again. |
| 21:11.00 | DawnLight | markus_: who installed it? |
| 21:11.05 | markus_ | I did >_< |
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| 21:11.33 | DawnLight | markus_: using some special instructions from somewhere? |
| 21:11.55 | markus_ | Sec... |
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| 21:12.32 | markus_ | http://www.cyrius.com/debian/nslu2/install.html |
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| 21:13.05 | kriebel | where can I get a working dom0 kernel for Lenny? |
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| 21:14.04 | jelly-home | pleed: does your service die (or fork off, daemonize and disconnect from stdin/out/err)? |
| 21:14.42 | pleed | jelly-home: oh damn i have to use fqhack right? |
| 21:14.44 | pleed | it s sshd |
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| 21:15.15 | jelly-home | pleed: yeah. svc = run in foreground, afaik |
| 21:16.16 | jelly-home | pleed: -D might help, dunno; I've never run shhd with supervise |
| 21:16.34 | markus_ | DawnLight: I guess somthing during install :| |
| 21:16.48 | pleed | jelly-home: trying daemontools because a lot of people say it s better to handle your daemons |
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| 21:19.20 | DawnLight | markus_: make a new user and check if it happens with a new user also |
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| 21:20.37 | markus_ | DawnLight: already did that, didn't help. |
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| 21:22.04 | keanu | back again ;) I'm starting to get somewhere, but am stuck at the moment: # iptables -A OUTPUT -o eth0 -m mark -m owner --uid-owner 1000 -j MARK --set-mark 1 |
| 21:22.04 | keanu | iptables v1.3.6: MARK match: You must specify `--mark' |
| 21:22.31 | hipodilski | which file should I edit in debian lenny in order to add a module to load on startup |
| 21:22.41 | hipodilski | I remember in etch it was called modules.conf |
| 21:22.49 | hipodilski | ? |
| 21:23.05 | keanu | any ideas why it says that? "--uid-owner 1000 -j MARK --mark 1" says "iptables v1.3.6: MARK target: Parameter --set/and/or-mark is required" |
| 21:24.04 | rahul | hipodilski: nope |
| 21:24.08 | rahul | hipodilski: it was /etc/modules |
| 21:24.32 | hipodilski | rahul: ok maybe it's my mistake |
| 21:25.40 | DeltaS4 | how do I set gnome or something to automatically load the IM? |
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| 21:26.01 | rahul | "or something"? |
| 21:26.07 | hipodilski | rahul: can I add aliases to /etc/modules |
| 21:26.15 | rahul | I don't use a session manager, so I use ~/.xsession |
| 21:26.17 | hipodilski | let's say alias char-major-116 snd |
| 21:26.22 | hipodilski | and are they properly red? |
| 21:26.23 | rahul | hipodilski: no, that's modules.conf |
| 21:26.36 | DeltaS4 | im-switch? |
| 21:26.44 | hipodilski | rahul: ok since lenny lacks modules.conf where should I add aliases? |
| 21:27.06 | rahul | hipodilski: it does? |
| 21:27.36 | hipodilski | rahul: I don't have /etc/modules.conf |
| 21:27.43 | rahul | hipodilski: run update-modules |
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| 21:27.53 | markus_ | Does anyone know why my etch would enforce password changes on every login? |
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| 21:28.29 | hipodilski | rahul: there is a message the update-modules command is depreciated and it should not be used |
| 21:28.37 | rahul | hmm :\ |
| 21:28.41 | rahul | I have no idea |
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| 21:29.05 | rahul | hipodilski: /etc/modprobe.d/? |
| 21:29.10 | rahul | man update-modules |
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| 21:32.20 | simonrvn | yes, update-modules is dead |
| 21:32.38 | hipodilski | rahul: ok thanks |
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| 21:39.02 | lindenle | can someone please help me get my ultrabay working |
| 21:39.07 | lindenle | the cdrom that is |
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| 21:39.32 | macsim | Where can I find testing boot iso please ? |
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| 21:41.04 | kriebel | macsim: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 21:41.15 | macsim | kriebel, thanks |
| 21:41.15 | p3rti | hi |
| 21:41.41 | p3rti | when i building a package with apt-get -b source package it say that dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libwrap0-dev | libwrap-dev libpam0g-dev | libpam-dev libedit-dev libselinux1-dev |
| 21:41.41 | p3rti | dpkg-buildpackage: warning: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. |
| 21:41.49 | p3rti | :( |
| 21:42.13 | kriebel | p3rti: what release? |
| 21:42.33 | p3rti | kriebel, unstable |
| 21:42.45 | p3rti | package openssh-server |
| 21:43.03 | kriebel | have you done this before? (I havn't) |
| 21:43.20 | kriebel | sounds like you just need some more dev packages |
| 21:43.44 | dondelelcaro | p3rti: so apt-get build-dep package; |
| 21:43.53 | p3rti | dondelelcaro, thanks.. wait |
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| 21:44.38 | kriebel | goes in search of hamburgers |
| 21:44.40 | kpanic | hi, someone can provide me a link to an old dpkg? my dpkg is broken |
| 21:45.02 | kpanic | dependtry bug |
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| 21:56.48 | karsten | kpanic: gzip + ar + tar will get you by. |
| 21:57.46 | kpanic | karsten, ok, but where to find the old dpkg? |
| 21:58.44 | dondelelcaro | kpanic: you should probably tell us the exact error that you're seeing. |
| 21:59.12 | kpanic | dpkg: ../../src/packages.c:221: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed. |
| 21:59.12 | dpkg | You are moron #18, kpanic |
| 21:59.15 | kpanic | Aborted |
| 21:59.36 | kpanic | dpkg, thanks ;) |
| 21:59.36 | dpkg | kpanic: de nada |
| 21:59.40 | kpanic | lol |
| 22:00.48 | kpanic | it's bug... one moment |
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| 22:01.46 | kpanic | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=143307 |
| 22:01.50 | dondelelcaro | !dbugs 143307 |
| 22:01.56 | dpkg | #143307:I[dpkg] [ASSERT] main/packages.c:191: process_queue: Assertion `dependtry <= 4' failed; Wed, 17 Apr 2002 16:33:01 UTC |
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| 22:03.13 | dondelelcaro | kpanic: what's the exact action you've asked dpkg to perform? |
| 22:03.27 | kpanic | dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:03.27 | dpkg | kpanic: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 22:04.16 | dondelelcaro | kpanic: run dpkg --configure -a; and give us the complete output from dpkg. |
| 22:04.46 | kpanic | dondelelcaro, it's the complete output |
| 22:05.04 | abrotman | kpanic: from prompt to prompt |
| 22:05.14 | JarJarBinks | hi how can I change the permissions of a file such that "other" gets all the permissions of "user" except 'write' .. |
| 22:05.54 | JarJarBinks | "a file" is a huge chunk of files with different permissions |
| 22:05.54 | espinha | i have this mouse http://servelec.pt/informatica/images/X755FS.jpg but i only found this site http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&langpair=it|en&u=http://natonelbronx.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/mouse-a4tech-x7-con-linux-facciamo-funzionare-tutti-i-tasti/ to install thsi X7... but is is different , someone can hel me plz? |
| 22:06.04 | espinha | i cant install the 5 buttons on left side =< |
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| 22:08.11 | dondelelcaro | JarJarBinks: o-w; possibly using stat if you need to muck with the default set of permissions |
| 22:12.27 | karsten | kpanic: If you can work around the incompatibilities, you should be able to install / reinstall dpkg. |
| 22:12.54 | karsten | kpanic: Um. I don't think dpkg is your problem. |
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| 22:17.47 | mordy | hello |
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| 22:18.23 | spx2 | mordy: yo |
| 22:20.10 | JarJarBinks | dondelelcaro: thanks, but the worst is to get in a general way the perms of user and copy them to perms of other for each file |
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| 22:20.24 | dondelelcaro | JarJarBinks: that's what stat is for. |
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| 22:20.41 | mordy | i installed nxserver a few hours ago and tried to login from root - it worked. now it doesn't - any suggestions |
| 22:20.47 | mordy | i'm new to this |
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| 22:22.13 | JarJarBinks | dondelelcaro: say file "foo" has perms -rwx------ I want to change it to -rwx---r-x |
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| 22:23.39 | dondelelcaro | JarJarBinks: A=$(stat -c '%a' foo); chmod "${A: -3:2}$((${A: -3:1} & 6))" foo; FE. |
| 22:23.42 | dondelelcaro | JarJarBinks: man stat, man bash |
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| 22:24.15 | robboplus | i have an insane prob. this ip: 64.208.110.229 is listed as US one... how come when i traceroute from europe i get only 48ms to it? |
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| 22:24.30 | dondelelcaro | (or s/6/5/ depending on what you're doing) |
| 22:24.50 | JarJarBinks | dondelelcaro: that's nice... is it a bitwise and with 6 ... must say .. .very clever |
| 22:24.52 | robboplus | whois says it belongs to US global crossing but that's impossible... i haven't seen a route to US that is like 40-50ms yet in my life, what on earth is wrong? |
| 22:25.05 | JarJarBinks | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot |
| 22:25.32 | mordy | just because the IP belongs to an american company doesn't mean it's american |
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| 22:25.44 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: uh... it's globix; that's a world-wide isp. |
| 22:25.49 | robboplus | hm. |
| 22:26.01 | robboplus | so is there a way to geolocate it? |
| 22:26.04 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: no. |
| 22:26.04 | mordy | i don't know how it works, but sometimes i get an IP that's owned by a company in the netherlands - although i'm in jerusalem |
| 22:26.25 | dondelelcaro | geolocation of ips is often entirely useless |
| 22:26.32 | robboplus | so then it's simply wrong or not-so-good whois entry for that ip/class |
| 22:26.40 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: no, it's a correct whois entry |
| 22:26.50 | mordy | it displays ownership, not location |
| 22:26.51 | robboplus | hm i mean it confuses alot |
| 22:26.59 | robboplus | it says clearly Arizona, US... |
| 22:27.04 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: and it's perfectly fine; whois entries don't tell you where an IP is used, it tells you to whom they're allocated |
| 22:27.12 | robboplus | oh hm. |
| 22:27.22 | robboplus | in this case it makes sense... |
| 22:27.26 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: yes, because globix has an office in arizona. |
| 22:27.29 | mordy | there are ways of figuring out the location - but that's not based on the whois - but simply an allocation of IP blocks to various countries |
| 22:27.42 | robboplus | so the ip belongs to US company while it actually can be assigned somewhere in EU. |
| 22:28.01 | JarJarBinks | dondelelcaro: I was mucking with stuff like this... your way is much better: find cv_foo_dir -exec if [ -d {} ] ; then PERMS=`stat -c%a | sed 's/^.\(.\).\(.\)/\1-\2/'` ; fi chmod o+${PERMS} {} \; |
| 22:28.04 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: the physical machine can easily be somewhere in the EU. Globix is *huge* |
| 22:28.09 | robboplus | something is very wrong with routing somewhere.. and i was going to assume that packets are being routed via US... seems it's not the case then |
| 22:28.22 | mordy | nothing is being routed through the US |
| 22:28.23 | robboplus | that router gets so hot... |
| 22:28.41 | mordy | it simply means that a US company has the majority of shares of that ISP |
| 22:28.44 | robboplus | dondelelcaro, mordy: many thanks, now it's a little less blury to me |
| 22:29.11 | dondelelcaro | in fact, they probably have routers on most continents and many countries. |
| 22:30.18 | mordy | do a whois on my IP - you'll see it's located in amsterdam - but i'm not in amsterdam |
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| 22:31.03 | robboplus | mordy in your case it shows proper location |
| 22:31.13 | robboplus | not sure why it gives you NL but i can see your real one |
| 22:31.20 | mordy | in jerusalem? |
| 22:31.23 | robboplus | yes |
| 22:31.32 | mordy | hmmm |
| 22:32.01 | robboplus | whois in such state is just useless |
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| 22:32.07 | robboplus | not the 1st time i got confused |
| 22:32.12 | robboplus | and not only me it seems :) |
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| 22:32.27 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: hardly; whois is for figuring out who owns an ip block, not where an ip block is used or how to locate it. |
| 22:32.51 | robboplus | yes indeed but still the country field causes confusion |
| 22:33.15 | mordy | which "whois" are you using? |
| 22:33.18 | dondelelcaro | robboplus: why? countries are just political conveniences; they have little or nothing to do with how the internet actually works |
| 22:33.37 | robboplus | indeed... we stick to old schema... countries don't exist anymore :) |
| 22:33.37 | mordy | try a "geo ip" search engine |
| 22:33.41 | epoxy|w3rk | is ' find / -mmin -1 ' doable for finding fs changes in the past minute? or is there something better? |
| 22:33.44 | fairway | debian is wicked |
| 22:33.49 | robboplus | mordy let me geo it |
| 22:34.21 | dondelelcaro | epoxy|w3rk: it'll tell you files whose modified time has been changed in the past minute, yes. |
| 22:34.47 | dondelelcaro | epoxy|w3rk: that doesn't necessarily mean they were changed (and doesn't mean that files that didn't match weren't) |
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| 22:35.59 | epoxy|w3rk | dondelelcaro, changed or created? |
| 22:36.20 | epoxy|w3rk | htm. |
| 22:36.30 | mordy | http://geobytes.com/IpLocator.htm |
| 22:36.38 | dondelelcaro | epoxy|w3rk: has nothing to do with either, actually |
| 22:37.20 | epoxy|w3rk | ah, now i see the -cmin |
| 22:37.32 | epoxy|w3rk | hm, i'm just trying to see what files get created/modified when i install a pkg |
| 22:37.42 | dondelelcaro | epoxy|w3rk: dpkg -L foopkg; |
| 22:37.47 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 22:37.47 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 22:38.42 | mordy | hehe, can anyone solve my problem? |
| 22:38.58 | mordy | i think i've stated it, haven't i? |
| 22:39.36 | epoxy|w3rk | dondelelcaro, that isn't what i need, actually. |
| 22:39.38 | epoxy|w3rk | i need the files. |
| 22:39.43 | dondelelcaro | mordy: we don't distribute nxserver |
| 22:39.52 | dondelelcaro | epoxy|w3rk: uh... that displays the files that the package creates |
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| 22:40.00 | mordy | but could the problem reside elsewhere? |
| 22:40.07 | dondelelcaro | mordy: unlikely |
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| 22:41.58 | mordy | i wish i could see the logs - |
| 22:42.04 | dondelelcaro | epoxy|w3rk: if you're concerned that the package is doing something to files that aren't actually in the package, then use strace -fff -e open,write; |
| 22:42.05 | mordy | it uses openssh |
| 22:42.30 | epoxy|w3rk | dondelelcaro, i'm not. i need the files for some crap overlay patch for a problem. i got it with -cmin and -mmin . |
| 22:42.44 | dondelelcaro | epoxy|w3rk: what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 22:43.07 | dondelelcaro | mucking about with find is almost certainly the wrong way to do it |
| 22:43.53 | epoxy|w3rk | dondelelcaro, rtying to get the dir. structure and actual files of fglrx to overlay on a knoppix network boot for a quick fix for something. we have a old crap knoppix network img that we need 1900x1400 |
| 22:44.02 | epoxy|w3rk | seemed to have got it though |
| 22:44.23 | dondelelcaro | epoxy|w3rk: so dpkg -L fglrx; if you've installed fglrx; dpkg-deb -c fglrx*.deb; if you haven't. |
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| 22:48.00 | DeviN__ | can a stuck pixel flicker off and on? or is this something else |
| 22:48.26 | dondelelcaro | DeviN__: it could, though I've never seen it myself |
| 22:48.45 | DeviN__ | like it goes away for awhile but then come back, and its only sticks on red |
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| 22:49.26 | robboplus | DeviN__ you can unstuck it |
| 22:49.37 | robboplus | DeviN__ you need to very gently massage that area |
| 22:49.43 | robboplus | turn lcd off |
| 22:50.02 | robboplus | and then take a cloth... start making small circles with your finger, pushing slightly |
| 22:50.11 | DeviN__ | thats what i did, and it went away, but i don't understand why it keeps coming back |
| 22:50.34 | robboplus | that's how things are with LCD... |
| 22:50.45 | robboplus | do you have more spots like that? |
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| 22:51.12 | DeviN__ | just one, its a brand new laptop, i just got today |
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| 22:51.24 | robboplus | check warranty details on your lcd |
| 22:51.36 | robboplus | 1-2 is not enough but if you get more like 5-7 they will replace |
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| 22:52.26 | epoxy|w3rk | dondelelcaro, cool, thanks. that makes much more cents. i installed and ran the output of dpkg -L fglrx-driver through a bash cp script. thanks much |
| 22:53.14 | DeviN__ | yeah . i guess to deal with the irritation of the matter i might as well pick out a name for it, i was thinking houdini |
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| 22:53.47 | xlotlu | can i dpkg-divert files to umm.. /dev/null? |
| 22:54.09 | robboplus | he he |
| 22:54.30 | valdyn | xlotlu: just delete them instead |
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| 22:56.31 | jaguarandi | Hi, I have found something strange related with the funcion getpwuid_r |
| 22:57.19 | jaguarandi | basicly it says I can get the maximum value for the buffer with sysconf, _SC_GETPW_R_SIZE_MAX |
| 22:58.00 | jaguarandi | that value is on my machine 70 chars.. but I have a /etc/passwd entry that is 72 chars long |
| 22:58.25 | jaguarandi | namely: "gnats:x:41:41:Gnats Bug-Reporting System (admin):/var/lib/gnats:/bin/sh" |
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| 23:00.31 | jaguarandi | I wonder how should I proceed.. :S |
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| 23:04.37 | bombshock | Hello. Could someone help me with the installation process for my nvidia video card? I followed the instructions (for etch) from the wiki and everything seems alright but when I do #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and select nvidia instead of mv, when I restart gdm it fails to start and I get a message telling me to check the .log file... but when compared to whats on the wiki, its the same. any ideas on how this can be resolved? |
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| 23:07.49 | peppe | bombshock: paste the .log file on a pastebin |
| 23:07.52 | abrotman | bombshock: how did you install xorg ? |
| 23:08.13 | bombshock | abrot:man: stock from debian installation cd |
| 23:08.24 | bombshock | peppe: sec |
| 23:08.55 | bombshock | peppe: might not be able to... since it freezes when im on nv |
| 23:09.24 | peppe | bombshock: it should be rotated into a Xorg.0.log.old file |
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| 23:14.53 | bombshock | peppe: this one is my old (yesterday): http://pastebin.com/m3436130d |
| 23:15.35 | abrotman | bombshock: i meant .. aptitude install xorg .. right ? |
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| 23:16.22 | abrotman | bombshock: it appears you didn't install the nvidia driver correctly .. does Xorg work if you choose vesa ? |
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| 23:17.36 | bombshock | abrotman: i followed the instructions from wiki... for xorg... wouldnt know... it was install when i install debian as a OS have not made any changes to xorg so i might need to do something there |
| 23:17.54 | bombshock | abrotman: as for vesa, i would have to try |
| 23:18.23 | bombshock | peppe: current file is : http:p/astebin.com/m204d6f34 |
| 23:18.47 | bombshock | http://pastebin.com/m204d6f34 |
| 23:19.17 | abrotman | (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) |
| 23:19.29 | abrotman | which is why i asked about vesa |
| 23:21.01 | bombshock | abrotman: i just did #dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and selected vesa and i have no probs |
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| 23:21.38 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 23:21.39 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 23:26.04 | bombshock | nvidia_legacy |
| 23:26.16 | bombshock | !nvidia-legacy |
| 23:26.33 | quagga | you can always message dpkg for an intimate conversation |
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| 23:27.58 | abrotman | !tell bombshock about nvidia_legacy |
| 23:29.50 | bombshock | abrotman: using that command from dpkg gives me this : $ > |
| 23:30.12 | abrotman | nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | that one ? |
| 23:30.41 | bombshock | aye: now it says that nvidia-settings and nvidia-glx does not exists |
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| 23:37.09 | wols | bombshock: contrib and non-free |
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| 23:37.52 | bombshock | wols: already in list... i just removed the | sed part and its working... installing as we speak |
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| 23:38.42 | wols | bombshock: what card btw? |
| 23:39.03 | bombshock | Gforce MX 440 |
| 23:39.14 | wols | nvidia-glx is the wrong one. you need legacy |
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| 23:39.25 | wols | same for the kernel module source |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | !kiss wols |
| 23:39.44 | dpkg | smooches wols on the forehead |
| 23:39.48 | bombshock | wols: lol the wiki says legacy, but dpkg here says reg! |
| 23:39.56 | abrotman | i'm betting on legacy |
| 23:39.58 | wols | dpkg is a fuckwit |
| 23:39.59 | dpkg | i haven't a clue, wols |
| 23:40.05 | wols | dpkg: exactly |
| 23:40.06 | dpkg | wols: =) |
| 23:40.24 | bombshock | i tried that last night didnt work... ill try this and switch if it does not work |
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| 23:40.51 | wols | are we talking etch or lenny+ |
| 23:40.56 | wols | *lenny+ |
| 23:41.22 | bombshock | etch |
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| 23:43.06 | wols | bombshock: read the desctipzion http://packages.debian.org/etch/nvidia-glx |
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| 23:43.17 | wols | and note your mx440 is a mx2 in disguise |
| 23:43.32 | wols | especially read the readme mentioned |
| 23:45.07 | bombshock | wols: i see |
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| 23:45.40 | bombshock | wols: why does installing a video card need to be so excruciating? |
| 23:45.44 | bombshock | lol |
| 23:46.02 | wols | ask nvidia. don't forget to lart them too while you're at it |
| 23:46.13 | freeone3000 | I use the binary drivers and have no problems. |
| 23:46.23 | Guerin | if you buy shit video cards you get what you deserve |
| 23:46.35 | bombshock | lol it was top notch in the days! |
| 23:46.49 | Guerin | different measure of quality |
| 23:46.57 | bombshock | for a pci that is.... agp was the in thing |
| 23:47.24 | freeone3000 | And for that particular card, I remember using binary drivers for a good long while without problems. |
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| 23:48.27 | bombshock | if installing from apt... i need nvidia-legacy-96xx and what other package to replace nvidia-glx |
| 23:48.45 | bombshock | freeone,,, im starting to consider compiling the drive! |
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| 23:49.53 | wols | bombshock: the correspoinding nvidia glx legacy (96xx) but that is NOT etch |
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| 23:50.11 | freeone3000 | bombshock: NVIDIA has a installer download on their website. You need your kernel headers and the GCC version used for your kernel. |
| 23:50.36 | wols | freeone3000: do not tell people to use that in here. for that driver, the place is #nvidia only |
| 23:50.36 | enouf | ... |
| 23:50.52 | freeone3000 | Why not? It's a working solution with minimal configuration. |
| 23:51.03 | enouf | haha |
| 23:51.10 | valdyn | freeone3000: its a broken solution that works only to some extent |
| 23:51.13 | wols | it _seem_ to work |
| 23:51.15 | wols | big difference |
| 23:51.24 | freeone3000 | I'm using it right now. |
| 23:51.32 | bombshock | wols: not in etch? thats great! |
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| 23:51.36 | valdyn | freeone3000: thats not really out problem |
| 23:51.39 | valdyn | freeone3000: thats not really our problem |
| 23:51.48 | pr0ut | hello all |
| 23:51.50 | wols | 96 is in sid and you will need to backport if you want to use it |
| 23:51.53 | freeone3000 | Or rather, I'm using it right now and am getting full acceleration. |
| 23:51.54 | bombshock | wols so what other repo i need to at to my apt list? |
| 23:52.08 | wols | !tell bombshock about ssb |
| 23:52.10 | freeone3000 | I'm not sure what value of working a graphics card drier would use. |
| 23:52.29 | wols | one that breaks your debian packaging system would be a great start |
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| 23:52.49 | kartofelek | hi |
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| 23:53.03 | pr0ut | i have question about partition, i want to resize my main partition "/dev/sda1 457G 1.8G 432G 1% /" to get / of 25G, and i want to know if its possible and if yes wich way can i do use to do it ? |
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| 23:53.16 | valdyn | freeone3000: run aptitude install libgl1-mesa-dri and watch your acceleration become trash |
| 23:53.16 | valdyn | freeone3000: or "reinstall" even |
| 23:53.16 | valdyn | freeone3000: we dont want to put such liabilities on users systems even if it at first seems to work ok |
| 23:53.37 | kartofelek | I've just finished installing Sid ... most of packages are missing or have unmet dependencies. Is it normal? |
| 23:53.54 | freeone3000 | valdyn: Why would that break it? It uses a different driver name, doesn't it? |
| 23:54.03 | wols | !tell kartofelek about sid faq |
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| 23:54.14 | wols | freeone3000: just try |
| 23:54.27 | freeone3000 | Try it as soon as I finish working on this project. |
| 23:54.33 | valdyn | freeone3000: dpkg -L nvidia-glx will show more than one driver file |
| 23:54.52 | pr0ut | maybe its possible with gparted ? |
| 23:54.55 | kartofelek | faq? seriously, I haven't tried this. Sorry - it's a late hour here :) |
| 23:55.38 | wols | pr0ut: it is. but you can't boot from that partition or have it mounted while doing it |
| 23:55.39 | valdyn | freeone3000: oh, i was wrong, partially, the package is libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 23:56.11 | enouf | valdyn: one is dependent on the other, no? |
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| 23:56.34 | pr0ut | its a dedicated server, so i dont have full acces on it |
| 23:56.41 | valdyn | enouf: but reinstall the -dri package doesnt reinstall the -glx package and thus wont overwrite his libGL.so.1 |
| 23:57.03 | enouf | valdyn: ahh tricky .. :-) |
| 23:57.05 | pr0ut | its not possible to resize mounted partition ? |
| 23:57.16 | wols | pr0ut: not really |
| 23:57.22 | pr0ut | humm shit |
| 23:57.59 | valdyn | pr0ut: you can do it, but only with a reboot after growing the partition |
| 23:58.46 | pr0ut | that mean i resize my partition and i reboot and it will be ok ? |
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| 23:59.06 | valdyn | pr0ut: you want to shrink though |
