| 00:00.06 | cluser | I'll stay here for a couple of hours |
| 00:00.19 | Benzi | if you want to look through the various kernel options on the latest kernel, maybe that could help |
| 00:00.32 | BadQuanta | Wampyre: Thats what I'm doing.. I was wondering if DEBIAN would have any issues with that drive swapping... (I mean will it configure the install for the particular PC it was installed on) |
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| 00:01.36 | Benzi | so, can anyone help me with alsa? |
| 00:01.44 | cluser | Maybe. I see here a distro that makes something similar to what I want |
| 00:01.56 | BadQuanta | Also.. I'm trying to get a large HD to detect on this BIOS.. Should I have to setup a smaller /boot partition to get LILO to mount the larger partition? |
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| 00:02.08 | cluser | I'll get it just to see how it works. |
| 00:02.09 | Wampyre | BadQuanta, sorry, I don't know the answer to that. I've done it often on dead-rat, fedora, and suse, never on debian. |
| 00:02.54 | BadQuanta | Any suggestions on what Distro is best for old pcs? |
| 00:04.06 | Wampyre | I've been looking at that today as well. It seems Damn Small Linux is quite good. Its the only one that I could actually get to work on my machine. But then, mine at least has a CDROM drive. |
| 00:04.08 | rsk | BadQuanta: debian is ok |
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| 00:04.27 | BadQuanta | I thought about DSL.. how is it for development? |
| 00:04.42 | cluser | Use netinst disk to install Xfce |
| 00:04.47 | BadQuanta | The whole point of this PC is for testing some software I want to write.. It doesn't have to be fast.. just run. |
| 00:05.22 | BadQuanta | I'm using the Netinst disk right now on the 2nd PC. |
| 00:05.56 | BadQuanta | After it installs the base system should I finish the installation in the Target PC? |
| 00:06.01 | cluser | If you need X, install Xfce, IceWM or Wmaker |
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| 00:06.03 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: DSL is using pretty old versions of software |
| 00:06.15 | Kevin` | probably not good for development |
| 00:06.40 | cluser | Use netinst to install the base system |
| 00:06.45 | BadQuanta | I didn't really want to goto DSL.. mostly because if I move to another test system later I'll probably be running debian o it. |
| 00:06.46 | Wampyre | Can anyone help me out with RAID and the MDADM command? |
| 00:06.55 | cluser | And get the other packages for development from internet |
| 00:07.01 | Kevin` | Wampyre: sure |
| 00:07.11 | cluser | This way it will install only the minimum requirements |
| 00:07.16 | BadQuanta | Last question: Does the base system use a kernel that'll run on a old Pentium 75? |
| 00:07.28 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: yes |
| 00:07.32 | drv | BadQuanta: yes |
| 00:07.37 | Kevin` | hmm |
| 00:07.41 | Kevin` | I think so at least |
| 00:07.42 | DawnLight | what is an old pentium 75? |
| 00:07.43 | BadQuanta | Awsome.. that was my problem w/ slackware... |
| 00:07.49 | Kevin` | the minimum might be i686 |
| 00:07.58 | Wampyre | When I start up, my RAID is not being mounted. If I check the kernel logs, its giving me the following: "mdadm: /dev/md0 assembled from 3 drives and 1 spare - not enough to start the array while not clean - consider --force." |
| 00:08.02 | BadQuanta | If it is I might be fudged. |
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| 00:08.22 | cluser | It is an old CPU made by Integrated Electronics (Intel) |
| 00:08.26 | DawnLight | i run it on pentium IIs |
| 00:08.26 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: you have another system running linux right now? (preferably debian) |
| 00:08.31 | Wampyre | my raid is made up of hd[a-d] |
| 00:08.38 | BadQuanta | Not at the moment. |
| 00:08.55 | Kevin` | well, just try it then I suppose |
| 00:09.19 | BadQuanta | *watches it say: Installing Kernel: linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 00:09.25 | BadQuanta | :/ Hrm... |
| 00:09.54 | Kevin` | Wampyre: what raid level are you using |
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| 00:10.18 | Wampyre | 5 |
| 00:10.27 | Kevin` | how many drives normally |
| 00:10.34 | Wampyre | 4 |
| 00:11.08 | Wampyre | The power went out earlier, that's when the trouble started. |
| 00:11.42 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: are you installing on an old pentium? if you have multiple of these things you may want to consider ltsp |
| 00:12.00 | BadQuanta | ltsp? *googles it* |
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| 00:12.15 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: it might just work anyway, I could be wrong about the minimum |
| 00:12.45 | BadQuanta | DawnLight: This PC is going to be headless.. (well its on my KVM but otherwise I'll never look at it) |
| 00:12.53 | Kevin` | Wampyre: there's two major things you can do. one, try force and such, if you can get it to assemple with a working number of disks |
| 00:13.14 | BadQuanta | DawnLight: I'm going to be SSHing into it for the most part. |
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| 00:13.39 | cluser | BadQuanta, perhaps debian.org cites the minimum required CPU |
| 00:13.46 | cluser | Did you look there? |
| 00:13.47 | Kevin` | Wampyre: two, you could recreate the array using the exact same options as before, using 3 of the disks (so it doesn't resync, and you can test). that's kinda dangerous though |
| 00:14.05 | BadQuanta | cluser: Nope.. but I was hoping it would allow me to select an appropriate kernel.. |
| 00:14.57 | cluser | Download the smallest image possible |
| 00:15.07 | cluser | And just boot the old PC with it |
| 00:15.09 | BadQuanta | I'm not used to linux having "system requirements" :/ It used to be that all I ran linux on was Pentium I class processors. |
| 00:15.27 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 - Linux 2.6.18 image on x86 |
| 00:15.32 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: apparently there is one |
| 00:15.37 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: when the installer boots up, write expert and press enter |
| 00:15.52 | BadQuanta | DawnLight: AHH.. ok.. Thats what I think I needed. |
| 00:16.10 | BadQuanta | At the lilo prompt right? |
| 00:16.15 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: if the install is already done you could chroot to it and install another kernel |
| 00:16.25 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: it will then ask you more questions. you can press enter on them for the default values |
| 00:16.36 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: it is grub, i think |
| 00:16.40 | BadQuanta | I don't mind restarting the install. |
| 00:17.03 | BadQuanta | Get it right from the start |
| 00:17.33 | Kevin` | I think it's syslinux (isolinux) |
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| 00:18.57 | BadQuanta | DawnLight: Oh.. ^_^ Bad assumption. Its been a while since I've had a linux install on any of my PCs... LILO was still the defacto boot loder. |
| 00:20.27 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: if you have old linux habbits you'll be pleased about debian because it has ways to automate things like kernel installs, module builds/installs, software configuration, alternatives, etc. |
| 00:20.47 | BadQuanta | ^_^ If I knew how to use them. |
| 00:20.56 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: just ask |
| 00:21.48 | BadQuanta | And yeah my habbits are probably pretty old.. I would just download the tar-ball and unzip it in /usr/src/krenel-xxxx and run make menuconfig && ./configure && make && cp ./arch/i386/bzimage /boot/linux && lilo |
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| 00:22.03 | Bardamu | Hello |
| 00:22.37 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: those kind of things should be avoided |
| 00:23.06 | BadQuanta | I don't doubt it.. but thats how I learned to install new kernels and such. |
| 00:23.07 | micky | does a domain name ex ( test.com ) that has nameservers ns1.test.org / ns2.test.org need it`s own nameservers ex ( ns1.test.com / ns2.test.com ) defined in order to be ok ? |
| 00:23.20 | BadQuanta | I wish my knowledge were more up-to-date |
| 00:23.41 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: i wish i had that kind of experience |
| 00:23.51 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: you shouldn't need to do that, there's already a kernel package for your hardware |
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| 00:24.33 | DawnLight | good night friends |
| 00:24.42 | BadQuanta | DawnLight: Good night.. thanks for the help && input |
| 00:25.00 | Kevin` | BadQuanta: if you find yourself in need of doing that though, especially if you need an initrd: |
| 00:25.06 | Kevin` | !tell BadQuanta about kp mantra |
| 00:26.11 | BadQuanta | I doubt I will.. |
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| 00:27.28 | BadQuanta | I used to have to compile new kernels to get my video card or networking cards to work.. I doubt thats necessary now. Last time I used Linux on a day to day basis they were still discussing if Modules should be the default instead of statically compiling items into the kernel. |
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| 00:28.25 | BadQuanta | Sweet.. it prompted for the kernel && arch to install |
| 00:28.44 | BadQuanta | I think this will work.. |
| 00:28.46 | Kevin` | I think statically compiling things uses slightly less memory. so if you like wasting time, you can go through and select all the things that will ALWAYS be in-use as y |
| 00:29.32 | BadQuanta | Kevin`: Yeah.. :D It was worth doing that though on my Pacard Bell 75 |
| 00:29.40 | BadQuanta | With its 8mbs of mem. |
| 00:30.05 | BadQuanta | I could still run X on it w/o issues :D And play XPilots over the netowrk.. I was in heaven. |
| 00:30.36 | crashanddie | is it possible to close a single socket ? As in, when looking at netstat -autep, would it be possible for me to close one of these connections, without killing the whole process ? |
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| 00:33.19 | nvz | hah, my uncle actually has one of those old Packard Bell's still in use.. he uses it to burn EEPROMS since he hasn't bought a new chip burner in ages |
| 00:34.32 | BadQuanta | I loved mine.. 2nd computer we ever owned.. |
| 00:34.49 | BadQuanta | It acted as a router for me up until 2002. :D |
| 00:35.17 | BadQuanta | Initially it w/ an old 33.6 but eventually it shared out my cable modem. |
| 00:35.32 | BadQuanta | I learned ALOT about linux setting up that router. |
| 00:35.51 | BadQuanta | And the Linux-Howto's were my bread and butter for one summer vacation. |
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| 00:36.21 | mmlj4 | (old school)++ |
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| 00:36.55 | BadQuanta | lol.. its so funny that that would be considered old school.. I don't feel old.. I'm only 24. |
| 00:38.37 | Kevin` | what's the first computer you owned |
| 00:38.53 | Kevin` | we had a c64 I think :) |
| 00:38.58 | BadQuanta | Me? It was a Packard Bell 486... |
| 00:39.07 | cluser | Mine was an MSX |
| 00:39.15 | BadQuanta | I owned a TRS-80 later.. though. :D |
| 00:39.21 | cluser | After that, an Amiga 500 |
| 00:39.49 | cluser | After those two, only tasteless PC boxes |
| 00:40.02 | nvz | yeah my 2nd computer was probably a TI 99/4a |
| 00:40.05 | cluser | Which I made by myself |
| 00:40.10 | nvz | and that just all depends on what you call a computer |
| 00:40.10 | Wampyre | had an Apple ][ |
| 00:40.44 | BadQuanta | I've been IBM compat my entire "computing" life. |
| 00:41.00 | enouf | OT -- haha @ the GNU/Linux: "ubuntu girlfriend experiment" ... (referring to dtrace envy, and how the kernel path of dev is/was misguided) |
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| 00:41.19 | cluser | Now even Macs are IBM compat |
| 00:41.27 | cluser | hides |
| 00:41.36 | nvz | the intellivision I had was suppose to be a computer, but the add-ons for it never really happened as mattel ended their computer electronics devision |
| 00:41.49 | enouf | one more, same article ; haha @ "Meglocorp ships GPL'd+CDDL'd goober, Hacker sues because GPL has been violated " ... (referring to dtrace envy) |
| 00:41.52 | BadQuanta | cluser: Yeah.. so it must be time for me to own one, right? ;) |
| 00:42.00 | nvz | lack of pop-culture games kinda killed the intellivision |
| 00:42.14 | nvz | even though the games and system were way better than Atari |
| 00:42.17 | enouf | lmao .. GOOBER ... haha that's GOT to be exponentially worse than any Blob .. rigjt? |
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| 00:42.52 | enouf | http://lwn.net/Articles/287906/ |
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| 00:44.02 | BadQuanta | crosses his fingers hoping that this thing will boot. |
| 00:44.31 | BadQuanta | :( GRUB error 18. |
| 00:44.40 | BadQuanta | googles the error. |
| 00:45.30 | BadQuanta | I knew I should have made a boot partition. |
| 00:45.36 | BadQuanta | restarts the install process. |
| 00:45.59 | BadQuanta | * If I manually create a boot partition, do I just mount it on /boot? |
| 00:46.20 | BadQuanta | Or where does Debian keep the kernel image? |
| 00:49.40 | BadQuanta | How large should the Boot partition be? 100megs? 32megs? |
| 00:50.29 | cluser | I'm not sure |
| 00:50.31 | erpo | BadQuanta: I'd make one about 100 megs. |
| 00:50.44 | erpo | BadQuanta: du -sh /boot on my system says 58 megs. |
| 00:50.50 | cluser | But I can't see why it should be a lot bigger than the kernnel size |
| 00:51.06 | erpo | cluser: You need multiple kernels. |
| 00:51.15 | cluser | So I failed again. |
| 00:51.23 | cluser | Use 100MB |
| 00:51.24 | BadQuanta | 100 megs is fine w/ me. I doubt I'll use even 10% of it for kernel images. |
| 00:51.35 | cluser | Oh, really. |
| 00:52.06 | BadQuanta | I guess /boot should have the BOOTABLE flag on, right? |
| 00:52.19 | erpo | BadQuanta: Not necessary. |
| 00:52.29 | BadQuanta | Ok. |
| 00:52.48 | erpo | BadQuanta: Are you reinstalling? How are you doing this? |
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| 00:59.18 | real0ne | why the Terminal say always that the Tempuratur of my CPU is high? |
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| 00:59.59 | cluser | A bug in measuring or it is really high |
| 01:00.14 | cluser | Compare it with the temparature reported by BIOS |
| 01:00.54 | real0ne | cluser what i can say is my computer work finze |
| 01:00.57 | real0ne | fine |
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| 01:01.13 | real0ne | i have this message only with Terminal not with xterm ... |
| 01:01.23 | Wampyre | Kevin`; I have the RAID started now, with 3 out of 4 devices. It looks like /dev/sdd1 is the one that its having issues with. Its listed it as device # 4 instead of #3, and it shows it as spare. |
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| 01:01.52 | davehimself | n00b question |
| 01:01.57 | davehimself | i've installed bitlbee |
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| 01:02.07 | davehimself | and it's running and i can connect from localhost |
| 01:02.09 | davehimself | but not remote |
| 01:02.19 | cluser | xterm is a lightweight program, only what you need |
| 01:02.20 | davehimself | nmap shows that the port is not open/listening |
| 01:02.26 | htmlol | why don't you just use a public server? |
| 01:02.35 | htmlol | and have you forwarded the port right? |
| 01:02.42 | davehimself | htmlol: what's the fun in that? |
| 01:02.51 | davehimself | why would i need to forward the port? |
| 01:03.11 | htmlol | if you're accessing something remotely then you have to forward the port to your computer's internal ip |
| 01:03.12 | real0ne | davehimself nmap is good but i thing he don't give a good result with remot port |
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| 01:03.27 | htmlol | I like using the public servers personally |
| 01:03.35 | davehimself | htmlol: you're missing something |
| 01:03.42 | davehimself | it's not listening for remote connections |
| 01:03.46 | Corkster | tapout ! Ill armbar you then get you in a rear naked choke ! |
| 01:04.05 | htmlol | if you insist. but you still have to forward the port. |
| 01:04.10 | Corkster | whoops off-topic |
| 01:04.20 | davehimself | htmlol: i don't follow? |
| 01:04.27 | davehimself | the box is in co-lo |
| 01:04.32 | davehimself | it has a public ip |
| 01:04.42 | Tapout | i go to bed at 3am usually... that's your only chance. I'd smoke you like an indian smokes a peace pipe |
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| 01:04.59 | Corkster | you roll ? |
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| 01:05.32 | htmlol | I don't know what you're talking about. all I know is that you have to forward the port. |
| 01:05.38 | Tapout | not really, pot cloud comes more and more near 30 ... heh |
| 01:05.45 | Corkster | heh |
| 01:05.48 | davehimself | htmlol: forward it to where? |
| 01:05.55 | htmlol | my suggestion is just to use the public servers, I really can't help you otherwise |
| 01:06.02 | htmlol | forward it to the computer that's running it! |
| 01:06.12 | davehimself | htmlol: it's directly connected to the internet |
| 01:06.15 | Kevin` | Wampyre: if your array is working, just re-add that device to it and let it overwrite the data |
| 01:06.28 | real0ne | or u can put the computer in DMZ |
| 01:06.32 | real0ne | :P |
| 01:06.35 | davehimself | jesus... |
| 01:06.36 | htmlol | no router? |
| 01:06.39 | davehimself | it's a co-located box! |
| 01:06.39 | davehimself | no |
| 01:06.41 | davehimself | no router |
| 01:06.49 | davehimself | unless you count the edge router at the co-lo |
| 01:06.55 | davehimself | and i promise, i can't touch that |
| 01:06.58 | Corkster | no router = no condom, bad very bad |
| 01:06.59 | htmlol | lol I didn't know what co-lo means |
| 01:07.03 | htmlol | is this a server or something |
| 01:07.07 | davehimself | yes! |
| 01:07.11 | davehimself | this isn't a home box |
| 01:07.15 | davehimself | it's a production server |
| 01:07.25 | htmlol | well that's kind of something you should say up front |
| 01:07.34 | davehimself | slams head into desk |
| 01:08.07 | htmlol | anyway. yeah I don't know much about the app, I suggest the public. |
| 01:08.16 | Kevin` | davehimself: set it to listen on 0.0.0.0 in the config |
| 01:08.42 | davehimself | Kevin`: if I netstat locally, it is |
| 01:08.47 | Wampyre | Kevin`, how do I do that? |
| 01:09.03 | davehimself | i just haven't admin'd debian in a while. is there something i have to config in order to let the os listen on that port? |
| 01:09.56 | davehimself | it's running on 6667 |
| 01:10.50 | Kevin` | no |
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| 01:11.18 | Kevin` | Wampyre: mdadm --re-add /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1 |
| 01:11.44 | Kevin` | Wampyre: you might have to remove it then add it |
| 01:12.47 | Wampyre | It says /dev/sdd1 is busy |
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| 01:13.45 | Kevin` | that's odd, why would anything be using it? |
| 01:14.03 | Kevin` | well, try mdadm -r /dev/md0 /dev/sdd1 (be careful to do the right drive..) |
| 01:14.07 | Kevin` | then add |
| 01:15.01 | Wampyre | add or re-add? |
| 01:15.20 | Kevin` | i'm not sure what the difference is tbh |
| 01:16.03 | Wampyre | ok, it shows it re-added it, and it looks like its rebuilding |
| 01:17.35 | Wampyre | Yup, its rebuilding :) at 2.7% already |
| 01:18.11 | Wampyre | Thanks Kevin` :) |
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| 01:20.31 | octox2 | is there a command to type to watch overall cpu loads ? |
| 01:20.42 | crn | htop |
| 01:20.43 | erpo | octox2: top ? |
| 01:21.23 | Kevin` | htop really is nice |
| 01:21.31 | octox2 | it doesnt seem to show what i see in the superkaramba widgets ? |
| 01:21.36 | crn | i'm under a dos attack on port 25. what is the debian way to deal with this? |
| 01:22.10 | erpo | crn: What kind of dos attack? |
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| 01:22.13 | Wampyre | I dunno about the debian way, but the south african way is AK47 :D |
| 01:22.29 | htmlol | umm for starters you could ban the IP it's originating from and/or close port 25 :D |
| 01:22.43 | Kevin` | crn: you could use iptables to rate limit connections |
| 01:22.46 | crn | erpo, lots of connections |
| 01:23.07 | erpo | crn: syn flooding? Or are they actually completing the connection? |
| 01:23.15 | crn | Kevin`, on sarge i can't do that |
| 01:23.32 | crn | erpo, how can I tell? |
| 01:23.36 | Ian_Daniher | I have two computers running debian etch, one is a laptop with a wifi connection. Both computers have ethernet. Is it possible for me to share the laptop's wireless with the desktop? |
| 01:23.45 | erpo | crn: netstat will tell you the state of each connection. |
| 01:24.10 | crn | erpo, ok I'll do netstat |
| 01:24.33 | Kevin` | crn: if its a syn flood you could enable "syn cookies" to deal with it somewhat. that's also a pretty new thing though |
| 01:25.13 | BadQuanta | Daniher: I am sure You could but I don't know the details.. I know you'll need a crossover cable ethernet cable. |
| 01:26.11 | crn | erpo, they show established |
| 01:26.15 | octox2 | htop it is thanks :) |
| 01:26.54 | crn | Kevin`, where do I do that? |
| 01:27.25 | erpo | crn: If you're not seeing a whole lot of SYN_RECV then it's not a syn flood. |
| 01:27.32 | Kevin` | crn: it won't help you much since they are making full connections |
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| 01:27.46 | erpo | crn: Is it just one IP or a lot of different IPs? |
| 01:27.48 | Kevin` | crn: here's a nice example from google though: http://thecommode.com/index.php/2008/04/15/using-iptables-to-rate-limit-smtp-connections/ |
| 01:28.02 | crn | epsas, lots |
| 01:28.03 | Kevin` | you SURE you can't do that in sarge? |
| 01:28.28 | crn | Kevin`, thanks |
| 01:28.44 | erpo | If you do connection rate limiting, won't that also limit legitimate connections. |
| 01:28.57 | Kevin` | erpo: it's per-ip I believe |
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| 01:29.28 | erpo | But that won't help him if it's a ddos. |
| 01:29.29 | crn | Kevin`, pretty sure. I tried to set up a rule. iptables said that it couldn't find the module |
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| 01:30.15 | Kevin` | crn: maybe you could install the module? might just not be a default |
| 01:30.39 | erpo | crn: Are they saturating your network connection or are they causing the daemon to use up all your CPU time? |
| 01:31.05 | crn | Kevin`, i checked around. right now I think it's not in the kernel |
| 01:32.10 | crn | erpo, they just hitting port 25. so far I'm not saturated. which amazes me, since the server is the oldest slowest box i have |
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| 01:32.28 | kanzure | xingu: Would it be impractical to grep all incoming packets with a regular expression in real time? I'm considering starting a method of saving links from everything coming in. |
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| 01:34.16 | crn | Kevin`, i can't rate limit but I can connection limit. which i've done. |
| 01:34.50 | munkyeetr | can someone recommend an ftp client for lenny? i am looking for something that can handle complete site downloads for backup. |
| 01:34.51 | Kevin` | what do you mean connection limit |
| 01:35.05 | davehimself | could selinux keep a box from listening on port 6667? |
| 01:36.00 | Kebab | hi, when adding apps to my top panel sometimes the image displayed for the app is diff to the one selected, a real pain in the ass.. anyone know how to override the theme icons? |
| 01:36.01 | Kevin` | davehimself: have you checked with tcpdump that the computer is recieving the connection attempts? |
| 01:36.26 | davehimself | well, i can telnet from a remote machine to ports 80 and 22 |
| 01:36.30 | davehimself | no probs there |
| 01:36.41 | Kevin` | specifically for port 6667 |
| 01:36.54 | davehimself | that's the one that won't respond |
| 01:37.26 | erpo | crn: If they're not causing problems I would just ignore them. Otherwise you may be able to detect a pattern to the types of conversations they have with your server and reject them. |
| 01:38.14 | crn | Kevin`, i'm using the "recent" module |
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| 01:38.59 | crn | erpo, right. I just thought that there might be something neat I could do |
| 01:39.57 | erpo | crn: If it's a real ddos from a lot of different IPs and it's saturating you network connection, there really isn't a lot you can do. |
| 01:40.18 | Kevin` | it sounds to me like a service attack, not bandwidth |
| 01:41.05 | crn | erpo, they haven't begun to fight. so far they are just banging on port 25. |
| 01:41.29 | erpo | My point was that there isn't always something neat you can do. |
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| 01:41.59 | crn | erpo, ah well. |
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| 01:42.21 | crn | Kevin`, right. |
| 01:42.32 | Kevin` | (which you CAN fight) |
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| 01:43.01 | Kevin` | if they have as many computers as it sounds like though, they could just switch to a udp flood and you'd be done for |
| 01:43.51 | crn | Kevin`, erpo they are using about .5 of a user for now (in whatever units uptime uses) |
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| 01:47.04 | crn | Kevin`, i don't know how to count the computers. I think they can spoof the address exim sees. But it's more than 500 if we belierve the logs |
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| 01:47.42 | crn | Kevin`, 500 ips |
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| 01:47.52 | erpo | crn: If they're getting connections to the ESTABLISHED state, then they actually control the IPs they're using. |
| 01:48.25 | crn | erpo, very cool. i've annoyed someone with lots of resources |
| 01:48.58 | erpo | crn: Say, you're sure your system isn't configured as an open relay, right? |
| 01:49.12 | erpo | crn: Most botnet managers are in it for the money nowadays. They could be sending spam through you. |
| 01:49.32 | crn | erpo, right. I ve check using the usual tools found on google |
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| 01:50.12 | erpo | crn: If you're curious, you could use wireshark to see what they're doing with your server. |
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| 01:50.20 | crn | erpo, debian makes it pretty hard to screw up |
| 01:50.54 | crn | erpo, what's wire3shard |
| 01:51.00 | crn | wireshark |
| 01:51.08 | Kevin` | crn: have you recieved any messages from your attackers? or did you somehow annoy a kiddie? |
| 01:51.17 | Kevin` | they don't do it for no reason usually.. |
| 01:51.37 | crn | Kevin`, i think i did |
| 01:51.53 | erpo | crn: wireshark is a tool for capturing and analyzing network traffic. |
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| 01:52.16 | erpo | crn: They're so cute when they're mad! |
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| 01:52.48 | Pain | I was wondering if someone could help me with a Debian install |
| 01:53.03 | erpo | Pain: What problem are you having? |
| 01:53.10 | Pain | Starting |
| 01:53.12 | Pain | :P |
| 01:53.23 | crn | erpo, ah yes. i've got to go hang some curtains for my wife. she is not cute when she is mad |
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| 01:53.42 | erpo | crn: Why can't she hang the curtains? |
| 01:53.44 | Pain | erpo: I was wondering how I'd go about it |
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| 01:55.27 | erpo | Pain: Do you have an install cd? |
| 01:56.13 | Pain | No |
| 01:56.23 | Pain | There are 21 |
| 01:56.40 | Pain | Other OS's you DL two and the rest with Auto update |
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| 01:57.55 | erpo | Pain: What is your intended use? |
| 01:58.03 | Pain | Just and OS |
| 01:58.06 | Pain | An* |
| 01:58.11 | Pain | Nothing really else |
| 01:58.17 | erpo | Desktop? Server? |
| 01:58.22 | Pain | Oh |
| 01:58.24 | Pain | Desktop |
| 01:58.49 | erpo | Pain: Are you totally new to Linux or just Debian? |
| 01:59.03 | Pain | Little bit first, more the second |
| 01:59.12 | Pain | I have run Ubuntu and Knoppix before |
| 01:59.21 | Pain | Although Knoppix is Live |
| 01:59.37 | erpo | Pain: Did you find something lacking with Ubuntu or are you just exploring? |
| 01:59.51 | BadQuanta | Man.. I've spent way to much time on this :/ |
| 01:59.58 | BadQuanta | I think I'm giving up for now. |
| 02:00.03 | Pain | I didn't like Ubuntu, felt it was too clutured |
| 02:00.48 | erpo | Pain: It's been a while since I installed Debian from CDs, but you should be able to download just the first one and boot from that. |
| 02:00.57 | Pain | Oh |
| 02:01.05 | Pain | Hmm |
| 02:01.08 | erpo | You'll be short on apps though. |
| 02:01.15 | Pain | Like? |
| 02:01.27 | erpo | And if you're touring the major distros you'll want to try Fedora too. |
| 02:01.39 | Pain | I'm used to XP too much, I guess |
| 02:01.58 | erpo | XP isn't bad. |
| 02:02.11 | erpo | There's a desktop environment called xpde if you like that kind of thing. |
| 02:02.14 | Pain | I don't like it |
| 02:02.19 | Pain | Too open |
| 02:02.25 | sajes | Pain: The only reason to get more than the first disc is if you have limited bandwidth or no internet on the machine you're going to install it on. |
| 02:02.40 | Pain | That's not a problem |
| 02:02.57 | htmlol | but xpde is defunct |
| 02:03.01 | Pain | I'm seeding and updating old Steam games |
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| 02:04.28 | BadQuanta | Now I get an Out-Of-Memory error on boot. |
| 02:04.50 | BadQuanta | I don't understand.. isn't 16mb enough? |
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| 02:05.54 | erpo | Yeah, for a roomba. |
| 02:06.04 | htmlol | lol |
| 02:06.13 | htmlol | I mean, hehe. |
| 02:06.28 | sajes | BadQuanta: If it's 386, it says it requires "at least 48MB of memory and 500MB of hard disk space.". |
| 02:06.46 | BadQuanta | -_- |
| 02:11.02 | nvz | hah, that roomba remark was a good one |
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| 02:11.14 | cortef | does anyone speak russian ? |
| 02:11.20 | nvz | !ru |
| 02:11.21 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 02:12.02 | piju_ | i got intel core 2 duo here on my laptop, i see 2 temperature value now. the question is, why cpu1 hotter than cpu0 ? |
| 02:12.06 | nvz | I only speak russian for attractive and promiscuous/single russian speaking women, sorry |
| 02:12.12 | cortef | thanks |
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| 02:12.31 | nvz | which would be why my russian vocabulary is limited |
| 02:13.38 | Pain | lol |
| 02:13.45 | Pain | *Sigh* |
| 02:13.55 | Pain | Thanks erpo |
| 02:14.17 | erpo | np |
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| 02:22.45 | munkyeetr | what is a decent ftp client available for lenny? I need to be able to download my entire site (files and all subdirectories and their contents) for backups |
| 02:23.00 | OBcecado | lftp |
| 02:23.13 | Corkster | gui or cli |
| 02:23.30 | erpo | lukemftp? Or something like that? |
| 02:23.32 | munkyeetr | prefer gui, but if the cli is simple enough... |
| 02:23.46 | Corkster | filezilla is good |
| 02:24.02 | Benzi | hey, can someone here help me with alsa? |
| 02:24.27 | munkyeetr | i do all my editing with bluefish, so I just need something for uploading new files and downloading backups |
| 02:25.01 | munkyeetr | i was using filezilla when on ubuntu, but i've made the switch to debian and cannot get filezilla to compile. |
| 02:25.14 | erpo | munkyeetr: There's no deb? |
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| 02:25.23 | munkyeetr | not that i found |
| 02:25.37 | erpo | munkyeetr: You could run ubuntu in a virtual machine. |
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| 02:26.06 | munkyeetr | i could, but i'd rather get away from ubuntu all together |
| 02:26.21 | OBcecado | there is a filezilla package, at least on sid |
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| 02:32.56 | wols | !tell munkyeetr about ssb |
| 02:33.35 | munkyeetr | OBcecado: thanks. i added the sid repo to sources.list file and and installing filezilla now. hopefully it will work no problem. |
| 02:33.52 | wols | munkyeetr: that was a foolish thing to do |
| 02:34.04 | wols | and it will cause problems |
| 02:34.05 | munkyeetr | why? |
| 02:34.13 | wols | never mix debian branches |
| 02:34.48 | wols | use backports |
| 02:34.51 | btnam | hi, Pls tell me if debian would crash when copying BIG files? I am running Ubuntu, which is debian-based and it crashes a lot while copying big files. |
| 02:35.02 | munkyeetr | wols: is there a high chance of fubar? |
| 02:35.15 | wols | btnam: neither will unless you have hardware probs |
| 02:35.20 | erpo | btnam: That's not normal, even for ubuntu. |
| 02:35.25 | wols | munkyeetr: it's sid. it's already fubar |
| 02:35.37 | amphi | btnam: what do you mean by 'big'? |
| 02:35.40 | munkyeetr | wols: lol |
| 02:35.56 | btnam | I copied a fle of more than 2 G and it crashed |
| 02:36.13 | btnam | both the 32 and 64 bit |
| 02:36.18 | wols | !tell btnam about errors |
| 02:36.25 | wols | btnam: was one filesystem involved fat32? |
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| 02:36.33 | amphi | btnam: shouldn't - you used cp? |
| 02:36.34 | btnam | no |
| 02:36.44 | btnam | I was using nautilus |
| 02:37.00 | amphi | perhaps nautilus is geb0rkt - I've not used it |
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| 02:37.33 | wols | btnam: answer my questions |
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| 02:38.02 | btnam | wols: it just frozen and no errors to see |
| 02:38.25 | btnam | I had to do a cold reboot |
| 02:38.46 | btnam | cp was no help either |
| 02:40.09 | btnam | cp on 32 hardy heron would restart the CP. 64 would just freeze the whole system. No log of the error was recorded. |
| 02:40.18 | infinitycircuit | btnam: this could be related to the gvfs switch in newer versions of gnome |
| 02:40.27 | infinitycircuit | why are you asking here and not in #ubuntu? |
| 02:40.49 | btnam | so what is the debian version would you recommend? |
| 02:40.58 | wols | btnam: well, there is no such thing in debian (or ubuntu) we know of |
| 02:41.05 | wols | so yes you can use debian if you want |
| 02:41.12 | wols | btnam: etch |
| 02:41.28 | btnam | Can i install it from an ISO. |
| 02:41.46 | btnam | I mean without a CDROM drive |
| 02:42.04 | Corkster | usb drive |
| 02:42.32 | btnam | I have not usbs |
| 02:42.57 | Corkster | thumbdrive,pendrive ? |
| 02:43.07 | btnam | Pls direct me to a tutorial or sth? |
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| 02:43.47 | Corkster | may the light of google shine on youre journey |
| 02:44.00 | amphi | !ig |
| 02:44.00 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r3 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 02:44.04 | btnam | Thanks! |
| 02:45.01 | btnam | one last question. how old is etch ? |
| 02:45.08 | wols | !etch |
| 02:45.09 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). |
| 02:45.28 | infinitycircuit | btnam: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en |
| 02:45.32 | wols | btnam: what mainboard do you have? |
| 02:45.41 | infinitycircuit | you can install with only 6 mb of downloads and get everything off the internet |
| 02:45.51 | btnam | giga MCP61 -S3 rev 1 |
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| 02:46.28 | wols | btnam: then use kmuto installer just to be sure |
| 02:46.30 | wols | !kmuto |
| 02:46.31 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 02:47.00 | btnam | has etch got that hateful gvfs |
| 02:48.02 | munkyeetr | btnam: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=666267 (install iso's without a cdrom) |
| 02:48.08 | infinitycircuit | btnam: it still uses gnomevfs i don't know if that's your problem though...it was only a shot in the dark |
| 02:48.21 | erpo | btnam: gvfs sucks, doesn't it? |
| 02:49.00 | erpo | btnam: The first thing I tried to do with nautilus after using a gvfs-based distro reported that it was an "unsupported operation". I just hate it when upgrades remove features. |
| 02:49.09 | btnam | definitely. gvfs sucks |
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| 02:50.21 | quagga | good evening. is there a way to run a script when waking up from s2ram? |
| 02:50.39 | infinitycircuit | quagga: you can write a script that s2ram's and then does something |
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| 02:50.45 | infinitycircuit | and then just run that script |
| 02:50.57 | btnam | thanks everyone for your help. must be leaving now to dowload and install debian |
| 02:51.02 | quagga | infinitycircuit: ah, of course. thank you :) |
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| 03:00.56 | octox2 | is there anything sinilar to pro tools for linux? |
| 03:01.52 | erpo | octox2: Pro tools? |
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| 03:02.59 | octox2 | audio software for recording mutiple tracks |
| 03:03.36 | erpo | octox2: There's a tool that depends on Jack that otherwise is supposed to rock. |
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| 03:04.39 | octox2 | i just read Ardour is supposed to compete with pro tools, and i think it may be free |
| 03:05.05 | octox2 | is that basically what jacklab is supposed to be too ? |
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| 03:05.23 | erpo | octox2: Yeah, ardour, that's it. |
| 03:05.28 | erpo | And it's Free. |
| 03:05.29 | Benzi | hey, can someone here help me with alsa? |
| 03:07.22 | htmlol | ask your question so that someone may answer |
| 03:07.40 | Benzi | nice handle, htmlol |
| 03:07.48 | btnam | Hi. pls tell me if etch AMD64 is the 64 bit version and intelx86 is the 32 bit. ANd the exact url to vmlinuz and initrd.gz . I am installing from harddisk. thanks |
| 03:07.55 | Benzi | alsa stopped working when I plugged in my TV tuner card |
| 03:08.15 | Benzi | when I ran alsaconf, a bunch of "TV tuner sound capture" options popped up that weren't there before |
| 03:08.23 | htmlol | nice...handle? what? |
| 03:08.26 | Benzi | but I still selected the option I had used before, which represented my sound card |
| 03:08.31 | Benzi | htmlol, your nick, I mean |
| 03:08.40 | htmlol | oh. heh. thanks. |
| 03:08.46 | vvd | what is the read/write performance of hfsplus compared to ext2? |
| 03:08.51 | vvd | in linux |
| 03:09.03 | vvd | hmm, OT ^^) |
| 03:09.10 | Benzi | anyway, even though I selected the same option, alsa still doesn't work |
| 03:10.20 | ice63 | see if it has esound instlled |
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| 03:12.15 | Benzi | didn't |
| 03:12.43 | Benzi | I'm trying with esound installed |
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| 03:13.19 | Benzi | hmm, ice63, installing esonud didn't help |
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| 03:16.15 | ice63 | Benzi, you do not need esound installed for alsa-base to work :) |
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| 03:16.37 | Benzi | heh, uh, okay |
| 03:16.49 | Benzi | did you recommend it to me? |
| 03:16.53 | ice63 | then reboot |
| 03:17.25 | Benzi | do I have to reboot :-( |
| 03:17.42 | amphi | Benzi: for what? |
| 03:18.04 | Benzi | for ice63's suggestion |
| 03:18.18 | Benzi | wait, ice63, you think having esound installed |
| 03:18.20 | Benzi | what is esound, anyway? |
| 03:18.25 | Benzi | oh geez |
| 03:18.28 | Benzi | I don't need that |
| 03:18.29 | Benzi | I'm using kde |
| 03:18.55 | JyZyXEL | whats the fastest way to send UDP packet? |
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| 03:19.48 | Benzi | I'm trying to get aRts |
| 03:19.49 | Benzi | to work |
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| 03:20.08 | ice63 | alsa works good for me ...not haveing esound installed |
| 03:20.17 | Benzi | yeah, my bad |
| 03:20.20 | Benzi | k |
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| 03:20.28 | Benzi | well do you have any suggestions about how to get it to work for me? |
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| 03:23.20 | ice63 | oninstall esound and then reboot ....and do alsaconf |
| 03:23.51 | ice63 | see if it works then |
| 03:23.51 | Benzi | I only just installed esound, didn't have it before |
| 03:24.00 | Benzi | and I tried alsaconf, but it didn't work |
| 03:24.10 | Benzi | this has happened on several bootups |
| 03:24.24 | ice63 | k |
| 03:25.57 | enouf | Benzi: arts stuff is in k control center |
| 03:26.13 | Benzi | yeah, but arts doesn't start |
| 03:26.18 | Benzi | I don't have a /dev/dsp |
| 03:26.18 | enouf | dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base |
| 03:26.22 | Benzi | which means alsa isn't working |
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| 03:26.42 | enouf | in kcontrol > sound devices > select ALSA from drop down |
| 03:26.46 | enouf | menu |
| 03:27.02 | enouf | install alsa, alsa-utils, alsa-oss |
| 03:27.08 | Benzi | I have those |
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| 03:27.18 | enouf | !alsa checklist |
| 03:27.18 | Benzi | it was working until a few days ago |
| 03:27.18 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. |
| 03:27.22 | enouf | no you don't |
| 03:27.25 | enouf | go do now |
| 03:27.27 | Benzi | ? |
| 03:27.32 | Benzi | dude |
| 03:27.37 | Benzi | I know what made it stop working |
| 03:27.41 | Benzi | I installed a TV tuner card |
| 03:27.45 | Benzi | that is when it stopped working |
| 03:27.52 | Benzi | then when I ran alsaconf to check it out, there were a bunch more options |
| 03:27.53 | enouf | i don't care |
| 03:27.57 | Benzi | k |
| 03:28.04 | enouf | i told you what to do to fix it |
| 03:28.07 | Benzi | ? |
| 03:28.10 | Benzi | what did you say? |
| 03:28.19 | enouf | but it's ok |
| 03:28.27 | Benzi | what did you say? |
| 03:28.28 | ugly | iceweasel 3.0 is having some strange rendering problems here, particularly with wikipedia: http://inhuman.org:81/~ugly/wiki_ff.jpg - any ideas besides a bugreport? |
| 03:28.33 | dansushi | is there a console based configuration application like debconf that can help me set up xorg? |
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| 03:29.05 | ugly | dansushi: meaning, more "console" than an ncurses wizard? |
| 03:29.50 | dansushi | no, something like that is good |
| 03:30.05 | dansushi | like drakconf for mandriva |
| 03:30.06 | ugly | Xorg comes with an ncurses setup utility.. |
| 03:30.16 | ugly | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:30.55 | dansushi | dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 03:31.19 | dansushi | ok |
| 03:31.35 | dansushi | ah, thanks |
| 03:31.54 | Benzi | alright, I'm out |
| 03:32.51 | amphi | ugly: works ok here |
| 03:33.19 | Madhat | ugly: firefox3 |
| 03:33.24 | amphi | enouf: test your credulity with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drapetomania |
| 03:33.51 | ugly | ugh |
| 03:34.24 | ugly | maybe I'll create a new user dir and see what happens |
| 03:34.56 | enouf | amphi: wow .. |
| 03:35.39 | ugly | nope, still rendering like that |
| 03:36.01 | amphi | enouf: definitely one for my "you couldn't make it up" album |
| 03:36.54 | enouf | amphi: indeed |
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| 03:37.33 | Seb | what popular fps games offer linux clients nowadays ? |
| 03:37.49 | enouf | amphi: speaking of which - ever hear the term "goober" to describe a fuckwitted software IP copyright license clusterfsck? ;-) |
| 03:37.54 | Seb | hasn't touched one since CS (the 1st one) |
| 03:38.23 | enouf | amphi: sounds like it could be worse than "blob" :-P |
| 03:38.23 | amphi | 'Cartwrightism' is not really an 'ism' in its own right, but rather a vicious example of Lysenkoism, IMHO |
| 03:38.49 | amphi | enouf: I did not |
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| 03:40.33 | enouf | amphi: http://lwn.net/Articles/287906/ find goober ;-) (and while you're at it look up "ubuntu girlfriend syndrome") :-P |
| 03:41.03 | enouf | er test? |
| 03:41.31 | enouf | amphi: sorry s/syndrome/experiment |
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| 03:42.11 | lfs | Does Youtube work with Debian? |
| 03:42.41 | amphi | it talks of a gpl'd goober - so goober is perhaps the opposite of blob? |
| 03:43.30 | infinitycircuit | lfs: it works with flashplugin-nonfree, i have not gotten it to work with the version of gnash in sid |
| 03:43.44 | quagga | what happens if a blob and a goober interact? |
| 03:43.47 | enouf | amphi: well, it's a nice gooey hairball with gobs of orafice mucous that occurs from trying to merge two incompatible licenses ;-) |
| 03:44.00 | enouf | amphi: the cddl+gpl +whatever ;-) |
| 03:44.37 | amphi | bah, cddl doesn't deserve to be called a licence |
| 03:44.49 | enouf | quagga: see, now that a very interesting question |
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| 03:45.07 | enouf | quagga: i'm trting to ascertain the fall out ... |
| 03:45.07 | quagga | do we need a super-goober colider for this? |
| 03:45.20 | enouf | ahh .. seems plausible |
| 03:45.39 | enouf | even 'plausibly deniable' :-) |
| 03:45.51 | inkvizitor68sl_w | ÑÑÑÑ ÑÑдд ÑÑÑ ÑеÑидÑ, |
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| 03:46.03 | inkvizitor68sl_w | ÑÑÑÑ ÑÑдд ÑÑÑ ÐºÑдÑÑ, |
| 03:46.07 | inkvizitor68sl_w | shit |
| 03:46.12 | inkvizitor68sl_w | when will new relis? |
| 03:46.22 | enouf | !wwlr |
| 03:46.23 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 03:46.40 | inkvizitor68sl_w | goood ^^ |
| 03:46.54 | inkvizitor68sl_w | but i will install desktopBSd to rhis time ( |
| 03:47.01 | amphi | cyrillic looks like crap in inconsolata |
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| 03:47.15 | enouf | !8ball how did i know how to interpret that question? |
| 03:47.16 | dpkg | I'm not sure. |
| 03:47.27 | inkvizitor68sl_w | cyrillic 0_o what language are you talking>? |
| 03:48.02 | amphi | roman |
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| 03:48.26 | inkvizitor68sl_w | hm.... and what country? |
| 03:48.34 | stopher | How do I set a directory to be writable by all users? I keep getting permission denied for /var/ftp |
| 03:48.39 | enouf | <amphi> bah, cddl doesn't deserve to be called a licence --> amphi: hence .. the 'gobs of goob' |
| 03:49.12 | inkvizitor68sl_w | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:49.18 | infinitycircuit | stopher: chmod -R u+w /var/ftp |
| 03:49.23 | enouf | a s-d-g will likely come from gobbing goobers ;-) |
| 03:49.28 | infinitycircuit | no need to make it executable by everyone |
| 03:49.39 | stopher | kk i'll give it a try, infinity, thanks. |
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| 03:52.13 | stopher | Still permission denied. |
| 03:52.45 | inkvizitor68sl_w | use mc under su ) |
| 03:52.58 | stopher | mc? |
| 03:53.12 | inkvizitor68sl_w | yea |
| 03:53.17 | inkvizitor68sl_w | apt-get install mc |
| 03:53.36 | stopher | what exactly is mc?, pardon my ignorance |
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| 03:53.48 | lfs | They did a major upgrade on Iceweasal. |
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| 03:53.52 | inkvizitor68sl_w | file commander |
| 03:53.59 | lfs | Added a whole bunch of stuff. |
| 03:54.17 | amphi | lfs: you expected it to shrink? |
| 03:54.21 | lfs | So is Firefox part of Debian again. |
| 03:54.21 | lfs | ? |
| 03:54.46 | amphi | iceweasel is, still |
| 03:54.56 | lfs | All I need is Youtube and I can dump Vista. |
| 03:54.57 | inkvizitor68sl_w | its only name |
| 03:55.16 | inkvizitor68sl_w | its not protected by any (R) |
| 03:55.35 | lfs | I am using Debian more than MS now. I have been playing the GNU chess program. |
| 03:55.53 | inkvizitor68sl_w | im not use ms at hoe) |
| 03:55.57 | inkvizitor68sl_w | *home |
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| 03:57.14 | stopher | ink: I used mc to chmod to write by group, write by others, still Perm Denied |
| 03:57.34 | infinitycircuit | stopher: who is the owner of it? |
| 03:57.43 | inkvizitor68sl_w | its bug ) |
| 03:58.01 | stopher | inf: user: root, group: Users |
| 03:58.22 | infinitycircuit | what if you su to user ftp and try again |
| 03:58.58 | stopher | chown it to user 'ftp'? |
| 04:00.21 | stopher | Uhh. still Perm Denied |
| 04:00.55 | inkvizitor68sl_w | chown it to normal usr...... |
| 04:01.03 | infinitycircuit | i meant 'su ftp' and then see if that user can write |
| 04:01.48 | inkvizitor68sl_w | chown another owner of directory |
| 04:01.52 | stopher | Would it help if I mentioned it's proftpd? |
| 04:02.27 | inkvizitor68sl_w | are you gived rights in ftpd? |
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| 04:03.03 | stopher | using gproftpd (gui configure) it says user's home dir is /var/ftp doesn't say anything about permissions |
| 04:03.16 | stopher | in proftpd.conf it says that the user should have access |
| 04:03.35 | stopher | but niether user1 nor user2 can access it via the ftp client |
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| 04:09.22 | mc__ | hey whats the deal with mc, I just installed with lenny and it uses nano for an editor instead of mcedit like it used to? |
| 04:11.16 | quagga | configure your EDITOR varible |
| 04:11.54 | pipeline | specifically, set the EDITOR variable in your user's shell configuration (e.g. $HOME/.bashrc, $HOME/.tcshrc |
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| 04:15.47 | mc__ | ok but I've never had to do that before. My question is what's changed? |
| 04:16.40 | massmc | Hello, how do I stop xserver so I can install nvidia driver |
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| 04:31.03 | infinitycircuit | this is probably a silly question but if i have a amd64 machine and i want to use virtualbox, should i use amd64 images with vbox? |
| 04:31.15 | Madhat | for an intel core 2 duo processor which architecture of debian do i want? the i386, correct? |
| 04:32.07 | Madhat | no wait, i386 doesnt seem right |
| 04:32.27 | infinitycircuit | i use amd64 |
| 04:32.32 | infinitycircuit | you can use either |
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| 04:33.17 | Madhat | which one of the 30 ISOs do i want? lol |
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| 04:36.06 | tamiya | Hey guys |
| 04:36.18 | acidslep | hi |
| 04:36.39 | tamiya | I'm having trouble writing/deleting files after I mount my USB flash drive |
| 04:36.43 | infinitycircuit | Madhat: i would recommend netinst or business install |
| 04:37.39 | Madhat | ah, i was in the unstable directory |
| 04:37.41 | Madhat | i got it now :D |
| 04:38.07 | tamiya | i;ve got /mnt/usb1 as drwxrwxrwd no problem. But after doing a 'mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb1' the permissions become drwxr-xr-x |
| 04:38.35 | infotron | tamiya: permissions of the mounted filesystem superceede |
| 04:38.49 | tamiya | how do I change it? |
| 04:38.56 | infotron | chmod, like anything else |
| 04:39.03 | tamiya | i;ve tried it |
| 04:39.04 | infotron | !tell tamiya -about grounding |
| 04:39.13 | infotron | what filesystem are you mounting? ntfs? |
| 04:39.13 | tamiya | i' |
| 04:39.17 | tamiya | vfat |
| 04:39.27 | tamiya | its just a little USB flash drive with FAT32/vfat |
| 04:39.32 | infotron | there are mount options for that |
| 04:39.51 | infotron | or use pmount for usb drives. it by default uses -o uid=<you> |
| 04:39.55 | \amethyst | !vfatrw |
| 04:39.56 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 04:39.57 | tamiya | i've already tried mount -o rw -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb1 |
| 04:40.01 | infotron | !pmount |
| 04:40.03 | dpkg | [pmount] "policy mount", an application to make it easier to (un)mount removable media such as USB flash memory sticks. e.g. as normal user, "pmount sda1" mounts it at /media/sda1. no superuser. no need to create a mount point. nb you'll need to be in the plugdev group (but you'll know that from /usr/share/doc/pmount). |
| 04:40.26 | tamiya | I'll give that a go |
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| 04:45.33 | tamiya | Hooray!!!!! |
| 04:45.39 | tamiya | dpkg: you're a genius!!! |
| 04:45.39 | dpkg | tamiya: wish i knew |
| 04:45.42 | tamiya | Thanks buddy!! |
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| 04:50.02 | acidslep | i hope to convert from freebsd |
| 04:50.13 | acidslep | should be easy cause freebsd did not work at all for anything |
| 04:50.28 | stopher2 | inf/ink: got it figured out, it was the ftp server, not the system..thanks for the help and goodnight!! :D |
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| 04:50.45 | Gorbachov__ | hello |
| 04:51.02 | Gorbachov__ | can someone tell me which is the best Tiketing System |
| 04:51.07 | Gorbachov__ | for my needs |
| 04:51.25 | Gorbachov__ | I need the support of our company to recieve emails on the support |
| 04:51.45 | acidslep | what |
| 04:51.46 | Gorbachov__ | All night i tryed to put otrs |
| 04:51.47 | acidslep | is |
| 04:51.55 | Gorbachov__ | but no luck |
| 04:52.01 | Gorbachov__ | very strange behaviour |
| 04:52.02 | acidslep | dude, whats your first language |
| 04:52.15 | Gorbachov__ | :) Bulgarian |
| 04:52.19 | acidslep | cool |
| 04:52.30 | Gorbachov__ | yep :) |
| 04:52.34 | vvd | how would i disable wlan in linux? when i remove the ndiswrapper module it is being reloaded |
| 04:53.07 | infotron | haha |
| 04:53.18 | infotron | wrong window. :p |
| 04:53.18 | vvd | yeah lol |
| 04:53.33 | Gorbachov__ | simpleticket is too expensive |
| 04:53.35 | Gorbachov__ | RT |
| 04:53.41 | Gorbachov__ | is pretty ugly |
| 04:53.41 | acidslep | whats RT |
| 04:53.44 | infotron | RT ftw! \o/ |
| 04:53.50 | acidslep | o.O |
| 04:53.54 | infotron | request tracker |
| 04:54.24 | Gorbachov__ | infotron: do you have RT working? |
| 04:54.40 | infotron | yah. for a few years now |
| 04:54.58 | vvd | i have wlan working. how would i make it not work again? |
| 04:55.00 | Gorbachov__ | does it work with IMAP |
| 04:55.17 | infotron | I use fetchmail to forcefeed the incoming queues |
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| 04:55.37 | Gorbachov__ | do you know some nice tutorial for installing it on Debian |
| 04:56.10 | Madhat | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
| 04:56.16 | infotron | mda "/usr/bin/perl /usr/bin/rt-mailgate --url https://someplace/rt/ --queue support --action correspond" |
| 04:56.25 | infotron | Gorbachov__: yeah. apt-get install. |
| 04:56.30 | infotron | !tell Gorbachov__ -about search |
| 04:56.47 | infotron | that mda line is part of my fetchmail config. |
| 04:57.18 | infotron | bbiaf. laundry to do. |
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| 05:09.59 | PiousMinion1 | Hi, I just installed debian lenny with the option for encrypted LVM. How would I go about mounting this volume from a different debian lenny install? |
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| 05:16.59 | jwisher | if there is a .deb file I want to install (such as http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java6/sun-java6-jre_6-07-3_all.deb), what is the command to do so? |
| 05:17.23 | liable | jwisher: dpkg -i |
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| 05:19.24 | jwisher | thanks |
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| 05:22.07 | PiousMinion1 | Can anyone explain this? --> W: Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 Hash Sum mismatch |
| 05:22.16 | PiousMinion1 | ..when trying to run apt-get update |
| 05:22.26 | liable | try another mirror |
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| 05:29.37 | Madhat | i run debian in a virtual setup, and the max resolution it offers me is 1024x768 at fullscreen even though my monitor is 1920x1200 |
| 05:30.06 | streuner | what kind of videocard do you have? |
| 05:30.44 | Madhat | nvidia |
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| 05:31.45 | munkyeetr | Madhat: what virtualization software are you using? |
| 05:31.52 | Madhat | virtualbox |
| 05:32.51 | PiousMinion1 | Anyone know how to mount an encrypted LVM volume? |
| 05:33.00 | munkyeetr | Madhat: I've not used VB, but in VMWare you need to install VMWare Tools to get proper mouse/screen performance. Does VB have something similar? |
| 05:33.16 | Madhat | not that i recall |
| 05:33.22 | munkyeetr | Madhat |
| 05:33.37 | munkyeetr | Madhat: just a thought :) |
| 05:33.43 | Madhat | thanks though |
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| 05:36.08 | Madhat | is vmware free? |
| 05:36.23 | PiousMinion1 | the vmware player is free as in beer. |
| 05:36.31 | munkyeetr | Madhat: not technically |
| 05:36.50 | jwisher | vmware server is free too unless they changed it |
| 05:36.51 | PiousMinion1 | Aye, not 'truly' free. |
| 05:37.09 | jwisher | looks very similar to vmware workstation but with less features |
| 05:37.51 | munkyeetr | Madhat: this may help you, it has Ubuntu as a guest OS, but the principle is the same - http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=6438 |
| 05:40.06 | msshams | how can i extract all lines in a file that contains a phrase like "test"? |
| 05:40.21 | Madhat | cat file.txt | grep "test" |
| 05:40.24 | Madhat | althrough im probably wrong |
| 05:40.35 | Madhat | so wait for someone to reply who knows what they are doing :P |
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| 05:41.11 | Madhat | munkyeetr: thanks so much :D |
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| 05:41.29 | munkyeetr | Madhat: np; hope it works for you |
| 05:41.55 | simonrvn | !uuoc Madhat |
| 05:41.55 | dpkg | hands Madhat the "unnecessary use of cat" award |
| 05:42.26 | Madhat | whipes a tear off cheek. Im so proud! |
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| 05:42.59 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 05:43.10 | simonrvn | "wipes", bur funny |
| 05:43.12 | simonrvn | but* |
| 05:43.31 | Madhat | argh, i always spell wipe wrong |
| 05:43.36 | shah | hello everybody... i hav installed debian etch netinst .. only a base system.. i could'nt access to internet from cmd line.. for installing packages |
| 05:43.41 | simonrvn | <-- apparently too tired to type straight |
| 05:43.43 | Madhat | screen -whipe, then i type it 5 times till i realize its wipe |
| 05:43.54 | simonrvn | heh |
| 05:44.43 | cafuego | alias scl='screen -wipe -list' |
| 05:44.47 | simonrvn | shah: so like did you let it configure the network during installation? driver issue maybe |
| 05:46.36 | simonrvn | please don't /msg people without asking, and keep in in-channel |
| 05:47.12 | shah | ooh k |
| 05:47.16 | shah | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.23 | shah | then how to do it now |
| 05:48.07 | simonrvn | ok :) |
| 05:48.25 | BadQuanta | I can't get debian working on this P75.. I think I'll have to try a specialized distro. |
| 05:50.16 | shah | simonrvn, i need a lighter Desktop environment, which occupies less space and RAM, thats y i hav installed onl the base system. |
| 05:50.48 | jwisher | I edited the sources.list file as my original one didn't have all of the sources I wanted, and more specifically, was only stable and I need packages that are unstable (even though I'm sure they are perfectly stable), but now I get these messages and I wondered if any of you had advice: |
| 05:50.49 | jwisher | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room | E: Error occurred while processing rsyncrypto (NewVersion1) | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-amd64_Packages | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 05:51.03 | jwisher | that is for apt-get update |
| 05:51.04 | cafuego | BadQuanta: It'll work fine, but depending on how muchr am you have, I suggest perhaps debian sarge with 2.4 kernel, instead of etch. |
| 05:51.21 | simonrvn | shah: well base doesn't have x based stuff. use xfce or something, or openbox, for your x |
| 05:51.22 | cafuego | !dynamic mmap |
| 05:51.22 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
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| 05:51.31 | BadQuanta | I've got 16mbs.. I don't want any X..just SSH... |
| 05:51.32 | Madhat | munkyeetr: didnt work |
| 05:51.49 | BadQuanta | gets a copy of Sarge. |
| 05:51.51 | cafuego | BadQuanta: Yup, sarge with 2.4 kernel then. |
| 05:52.02 | cafuego | BadQuanta: Or even 2.2 :-) |
| 05:52.06 | BadQuanta | All I really need is something that I can compile w/ |
| 05:52.23 | cafuego | BadQuanta: compiling on that will be very VERY slow. |
| 05:52.35 | BadQuanta | Oh, I don't doubt it. |
| 05:52.45 | cafuego | BadQuanta: What is your desktop machine? |
| 05:52.58 | BadQuanta | My desktop is an AMD 64 3400 |
| 05:53.07 | cafuego | running debian? |
| 05:53.16 | BadQuanta | No. |
| 05:53.23 | BadQuanta | WinXP |
| 05:53.25 | munkyeetr | Madhat: sorry :( |
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| 05:53.38 | cafuego | BadQuanta: if it's windows, I suggest you plonk debian in a vmware instance or somesuch. |
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| 05:53.47 | cafuego | BadQuanta: that'll be WAY faster than the P75. |
| 05:54.00 | BadQuanta | Again, I don't doubt it. |
| 05:54.23 | shah | simonrvn, i need to access to net inorder to get that, thats where i was struck with |
| 05:54.23 | BadQuanta | I've got MS VPC but it won't install on this particular PC because its HOME edition. |
| 05:54.27 | BadQuanta | QEmu crashes. |
| 05:54.36 | cafuego | and save on power, hug trees, save the rainforest |
| 05:54.44 | BadQuanta | And thats about all I've tried. |
| 05:54.49 | cafuego | BadQuanta: vmware server is free for personal use and will work fine. |
| 05:54.59 | BadQuanta | Didn't know that... |
| 05:55.14 | simonrvn | shah: i'll have to leave you to the other helpers as i need to sleep, getting up early |
| 05:55.32 | cafuego | BadQuanta: it's my friend for running windows on debian ;-) |
| 05:55.34 | shah | simonrvn: k bye, good nite |
| 05:56.26 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: good morning |
| 05:56.28 | BadQuanta | I'm downloading it atm. |
| 05:56.34 | BadQuanta | DawnLight: GOod morning man :D |
| 05:56.39 | BadQuanta | Nice to see you again. |
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| 05:57.09 | DawnLight | did it work, the kernel? |
| 05:57.23 | cafuego | DawnLight: Etch you mean? yeah. |
| 05:57.43 | BadQuanta | DawnLight: Nope.. did boot but imediatly got Out-Of-Memory errors. |
| 05:57.49 | cafuego | DawnLight: Oh soz |
| 05:57.51 | BadQuanta | I just now got back to working on it. |
| 05:58.03 | DawnLight | BadQuanta: there's virtualbox-ose for running windows in debian |
| 05:58.13 | DawnLight | there's 2.6.1 in bpo |
| 05:58.21 | DawnLight | works freat |
| 05:58.28 | BadQuanta | DawnLight: But I need to do the reverse. |
| 05:58.39 | DawnLight | it also works in windows |
| 05:58.40 | cafuego | DawnLight: I suggested BadQuanta try vmware server on winxp. |
| 05:58.48 | simonrvn | shah: thanks, and good luck |
| 05:58.50 | DawnLight | and it is simple and easy |
| 05:58.52 | cafuego | DawnLight: still free for personal use |
| 05:59.04 | DawnLight | i've yet to have used vmware |
| 05:59.08 | DawnLight | going now. bye |
| 05:59.11 | cafuego | DawnLight: Coz a 2.6 kernel on 16MB ram bring pain :-) |
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| 05:59.26 | PiousMinion1 | can't find any data anywhere on how to mount an encrypted LVM volume. :( |
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| 05:59.59 | acidslep | something i should know about acpi on laptops? |
| 06:00.05 | acidslep | seems to freeze on first install boot |
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| 06:00.45 | PiousMinion1 | acidslep: can try turning it off for now by adding "acpi=off" until you figure out the problem. |
| 06:00.52 | acidslep | ok |
| 06:00.54 | acidslep | thanks |
| 06:01.05 | acidslep | i was about to try that :) |
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| 06:05.14 | shah | hi all, how to clean my hard disk completely, so that i can reinstall everything properly |
| 06:06.05 | mardi | hi, i'm trying to downgrade fglrx. I set etch in my sources and updated. when i "aptitude install fglrx-driver=8.28.8-4" it wants to downgrade a bunch of xorg stuff, is that bad? |
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| 06:07.59 | Bladesman | Lenny supporting the 2.6.25 kernel yet? |
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| 06:08.39 | jwisher | any comment on how to install sun-java6 packages via apt-get install? I have added unstable to my sources.list, I have checked the packages really do exist (by downloading them myself). They depend on each other though and apt-get install fails...? |
| 06:08.41 | jwisher | apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-jdk | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | sun-java6-bin: Depends: sun-java6-jre (= 6-07-2) but 6-07-3 is to be installed | sun-java6-jre: Depends: sun-java6-bin (= 6-07-3) but 6-07-2 is to be installed or ia32-sun-java6-bin (= 6-07-3) but it is not going to be installed | E: Broken packages |
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| 06:09.46 | Bladesman | aptitude update; aptitude fdist-upgrade? |
| 06:10.19 | PiousMinion1 | Bladesman: No, I had to grab it from sid. :/ |
| 06:11.11 | acidslep | omg debian owns |
| 06:11.16 | acidslep | i had no idea... |
| 06:11.20 | PiousMinion1 | hehehe |
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| 06:11.58 | Bladesman | Manually install the dependencies individually, I guess. apt-cache search <package> will show the dependencies. |
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| 06:12.39 | Bladesman | Oops. Apt-cache show <package> <-- Oops. |
| 06:12.45 | PiousMinion1 | acidslep: Every time I try another distro I come right back to debian and ask myself what the hell was wrong with me for ever thinking there was greener grass. |
| 06:13.32 | PiousMinion1 | reboots. |
| 06:13.34 | Bladesman | Turn off your monitor and ask that. <grins> |
| 06:13.59 | acidslep | well i was trying to get freebsd to work for me, but i just couldent do it. |
| 06:14.16 | acidslep | no networking ability whatsoever |
| 06:14.25 | acidslep | but debain works out of box |
| 06:14.36 | acidslep | even though its not out of a box |
| 06:16.06 | Bladesman | Can't really advise you on it, acidslep. I don't dare mod the system. If it stops talking, it takes me a full reinstall to get speech back. |
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| 06:17.29 | acidslep | wha? |
| 06:17.44 | acidslep | why does debain talk to you |
| 06:17.58 | Bladesman | Because I'm blind. <grins> |
| 06:18.13 | acidslep | cool! |
| 06:18.17 | grimrider | hello everyone |
| 06:18.25 | acidslep | hi |
| 06:18.37 | acidslep | so you have to listen to eveything? |
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| 06:18.49 | acidslep | what about braille? |
| 06:19.11 | acidslep | and what if somone like totally spammed the channel, do you have controls on the voicing? |
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| 06:19.30 | PorkSoda | Any one have experience running x11vnc through ssl? |
| 06:19.42 | PorkSoda | General question, but one to weed out if I should follow up |
| 06:20.53 | Bladesman | Yep. Have a hardware synthesizer that talks. Using a modified kernel called SpeakUP that tells me what's happening in the CLI. I have less control over the GUI without Lenny and the gnome-orca package (which blows). Still better than Windows. |
| 06:21.14 | acidslep | whats lenny? |
| 06:21.32 | Bladesman | Debian 5.0? |
| 06:21.33 | PorkSoda | :] |
| 06:21.38 | erpo | Bladesman: It sucks that SpeakUP isn't in the vanilla kernel. Does your system have any speech recognition? |
| 06:21.49 | acidslep | ohh that would be cool |
| 06:22.29 | Bladesman | Just what's in the Shane netinst CD. There are screen readers, but are inaccessible without sight. |
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| 06:23.51 | Bladesman | Emacspeak, yasr, festival...I'm hoping Lenny adds support for SpeakUP at least. Last distro out there to support Speakup. |
| 06:25.04 | acidslep | i saw a movie with a cool real time braille reader |
| 06:25.10 | Guerin | !info speakup lenny |
| 06:25.12 | acidslep | or writer if you must |
| 06:25.26 | acidslep | what does that do? |
| 06:25.32 | acidslep | !info speakup lenny |
| 06:25.45 | acidslep | !info X lenny |
| 06:25.49 | Guerin | 18:25:49 <dpkg> Package 'speakup' does not exist. |
| 06:25.51 | Guerin | :( |
| 06:26.05 | Guerin | acidslep: use /msg unless you're trying to inform the channel |
| 06:26.15 | acidslep | yes sir |
| 06:26.17 | acidslep | sorry |
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| 06:28.17 | Ryan52 | Is there a way to get information from dpkg's (the bot) database without talking to it...I would ask it about itself, but it's like dead... |
| 06:28.30 | Bladesman | Debian may have it supported when Lenny goes stable. Needs a 2.6.25 kernel, and then SpeakUP can be tossed in as a module separately. ( and hopefully available on the install CD). |
| 06:29.46 | Bladesman | What kinda info you need? |
| 06:31.05 | Ryan52 | well, I guess just I'll just ask then...if there's a new package version that creates a serious bug but fixes a grave bug, will britney migrate it to testing? |
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| 06:31.35 | Bladesman | mostly uses apt-cache search and show, and the dwww package to find info. |
| 06:32.32 | kingsley | fsck in verbose mode says a certain hard drive "was not cleanly unmounted" and checks it, but reports no specific error, and concludes with "***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****". Could a shutdown script calling umount be confused by either a missing ext3 journal, or a missing neighboring hard drive? |
| 06:32.41 | Ryan52 | when I search the wiki, there are zero results :( |
| 06:32.52 | Bladesman | Sounds like a mailing list question.. |
| 06:33.45 | Ryan52 | Bladesman: me? I'll ask in #debian-devel if I have to, though I don't want to look stupid to too many DD's if I don't have to :D |
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| 06:34.03 | Bladesman | debian-devel or debian-volatile. I guess it depends on the bug. |
| 06:34.32 | Ryan52 | it's not a bug that I'm curious about... |
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| 06:34.48 | Ryan52 | It's how debian's testing migration scripts work... |
| 06:35.24 | acidslep | * asterisk |
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| 06:35.42 | acidslep | just curious :) |
| 06:36.21 | Bladesman | Ryan52: Yeah, sounds like one of those mailing list questions. |
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| 06:37.14 | acidslep | Bladesman, does your speech synthesis take the time to tell you about punctuation or capitalization? |
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| 06:38.13 | Bladesman | Nope. Gotta chase nicks down with a virtual cursor to get it spelled...not easy when things scroll. |
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| 06:38.52 | Bladesman | I can change punctuation levels tho, or have it say some charas and not tohers. |
| 06:39.01 | Bladesman | others even. |
| 06:39.12 | acidslep | cool |
| 06:39.19 | BadQuanta | Bladesman: I would be curious if you bother to have a monitor at all? Do you keep one for other's benefit? |
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| 06:39.39 | acidslep | a useable headless computer |
| 06:39.40 | BadQuanta | curious to know, i mean. |
| 06:39.41 | acidslep | hehe |
| 06:39.58 | Bladesman | Yes Still have a monitor. I just rarely turn it on. |
| 06:40.24 | acidslep | i have never talked to a blind person. in person. |
| 06:40.31 | wols | Bladesman: latest decision was to go with 2.6.24 for lenny |
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| 06:40.32 | acidslep | so sorry if ask stupid questions |
| 06:40.46 | Bladesman | Thank you, wols. |
| 06:40.54 | wols | Bladesman: ever seen ddalton in here? |
| 06:41.07 | Bladesman | Daniel? No. |
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| 06:41.37 | wols | he comes in here often and has the same problems of course. but if you know each other from elsewhere, I guess no need to tell you about him |
| 06:41.52 | SolidSnakeNZ | hey guys i have a problem with wine .... could someone plz help me :) |
| 06:42.00 | wols | !ask |
| 06:42.01 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:42.09 | Ryan52 | well, I found an email from 2004 that says "If the RC-bugginess of the package goes down, it may go in even if it is still RC-buggy."...so I'm gonna assume that's still true :D |
| 06:42.11 | Bladesman | I see his posts on the SpeakUP mailing list on an almost daily basis. |
| 06:43.02 | Bladesman | They're still too busy debugging to document anything for everyone else, so... <laughs> |
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| 06:43.34 | SolidSnakeNZ | Hey guys, im running debian [version no idea] i had wine running fine.. however it was an outdated version.. i have since uninstalled it and attempted to get the latest version but im left with an error: trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/wine/vmm.vxd.so', which is also in package libwine |
| 06:43.34 | SolidSnakeNZ | dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) |
| 06:43.58 | acidslep | uh ohes, a broken pipe |
| 06:44.05 | wols | SolidSnakeNZ: dpkg -l |grep wine |
| 06:44.10 | wols | the output in a pastebin |
| 06:44.12 | acidslep | goes to get some duct tape |
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| 06:44.57 | wols | SolidSnakeNZ: also dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 06:45.26 | SolidSnakeNZ | http://pastebin.com/m74bd3225 |
| 06:45.40 | SolidSnakeNZ | oh opps |
| 06:45.42 | SolidSnakeNZ | hold on |
| 06:45.53 | Bladesman | I have limited vision acidslep. It's about like looking through waxed paper in the moonlight. Only hard part about computing is the effing web. Not geared for keyboard users. |
| 06:46.55 | SolidSnakeNZ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 06:47.10 | Dacs | how do i know the version of my debian? |
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| 06:48.31 | netsrot | Dacs: Just check /etc/debian_version |
| 06:48.53 | wols | !version |
| 06:48.54 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 06:49.03 | SolidSnakeNZ | maybe i just need to uninstall the old version of wine? |
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| 06:49.06 | SolidSnakeNZ | how do i do that |
| 06:49.17 | SolidSnakeNZ | i take it.. apt-get remove wine isn't what i am supose to do? |
| 06:49.20 | wols | SolidSnakeNZ: I asked yous omething you still haven't answered |
| 06:50.03 | SolidSnakeNZ | hold on brb |
| 06:51.23 | Dacs | netsrot: thanks, now i got 4.0 , i was wondering how to tell whick pkg i have on this system and how can i uninstall un wanted pkgs and games |
| 06:52.20 | wols | Dacs: dpkg -l |
| 06:52.34 | wols | and uninstall should be self explaining |
| 06:52.38 | wols | !tell Dacs about grounding |
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| 06:53.46 | Bladesman | for i in `dpkg -l | cut -c -35 | grep "rc "`; do apt-get purge $i; done ? |
| 06:54.23 | wols | Bladesman: that is not what he asked even if it's handy |
| 06:54.43 | Bladesman | Yeah, whas retinking that one. |
| 06:54.49 | Dacs | wols: thanks |
| 06:54.52 | Bladesman | rethinking even. |
| 06:54.53 | Sebboh | I have a question about PKI. When I use the ssh-keygen tool without arguments, I'm asked to provide a passphrase, but I can leave it empty. What's the difference? What does that passphrase protect? Underwhat circumstances would I need to enter it again? |
| 06:55.09 | Dewi | Sebboh: protects the private key you are generating, by encrypting it |
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| 06:55.38 | yacucu | Hola, need a little help on a webcam |
| 06:55.49 | Dewi | Sebboh: without the encryption anybody who gains access to the generated file can gain access to wherever the public key is |
| 06:56.17 | Dewi | Sebboh: but occasionally passphraseless is useful, for things like automated backups under carefully controlled conditions |
| 06:56.20 | yacucu | the module loads correctly and dmesg output right info but can't see the device /dev/video1 just the video0 wich is my cam |
| 06:56.26 | yacucu | err, which is my tv |
| 06:56.38 | Sebboh | Dewi, will I have to enter the passphrase whenever I connect those systems? Just as I presently need to enter a password each time? |
| 06:56.59 | yacucu | tried to modprobe -r saa7134 and say is in use |
| 06:57.08 | Dewi | Sebboh: you can enter it each time, or you can load your keys in an agent, and type the passphrase at that time |
| 06:57.20 | yacucu | wonder if my cam might be under another device path and how to find that out |
| 06:57.34 | PorkSoda | 1 more again; |
| 06:57.40 | PorkSoda | Any one have experience running x11vnc through ssl? |
| 06:57.41 | erpo | Sebboh: You can have your passphrase for your private key stored in your keyring, and have your keyring unlocked at login. |
| 06:57.42 | PorkSoda | General question, but one to weed out if I should follow up |
| 06:58.05 | Sebboh | Dewi, thank you. erpo, ah, thanks. |
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| 06:59.55 | erpo | PorkSoda: You can run it through ssh with port forwarding. It's dead simple and it works. |
| 07:00.05 | Bladesman | I jammeth. Keep well... |
| 07:00.59 | PorkSoda | erpo, I know, thing is I'd rather use a different vnc server if done that route. I'm trying to keep it java based. |
| 07:01.14 | PorkSoda | jave "web" based |
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| 07:02.58 | PorkSoda | My question is, when running x11vnc via the following: x11vnc -ssl SAVE -https 456457 -forever -usepw -httpdir /usr/share/vnc-java/ -httpport 456456 |
| 07:03.14 | PorkSoda | it still opens a ssl port on the default 5900 |
| 07:03.43 | PorkSoda | That command works, and sets the ssl port on 456457, but still opens the default 5900 |
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| 07:04.52 | PorkSoda | The question would be, what do I have to do to not set the default, and/or is it necessary, which to me is so far looking like it is. |
| 07:05.09 | infotron | PorkSoda: while that port thing generally works, in reality there are only 65534 ports |
| 07:05.26 | PorkSoda | right :) |
| 07:05.44 | SolidSnakeNZ | so how do you uninstall wine? someone please :) |
| 07:05.49 | SolidSnakeNZ | what is the command |
| 07:05.51 | PorkSoda | I changed it hehe. |
| 07:06.00 | PorkSoda | "briskly" hehe |
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| 07:06.12 | badquanta | Is SSH disabled by default or is a firewall truned on by Default for debian? |
| 07:06.20 | netsrot | SolidSnakeNZ: how did you install it? |
| 07:06.31 | wols | there is no firewall by default. there is no sshd installed either |
| 07:06.37 | PorkSoda | My question is, when running x11vnc via the following: x11vnc -ssl SAVE -https 45646 -forever -usepw -httpdir /usr/share/vnc-java/ -httpport 45645 |
| 07:06.40 | PorkSoda | should have said |
| 07:06.42 | wols | SolidSnakeNZ: for th LAST time: answer my question |
| 07:06.43 | badquanta | Ahh.. thats what I need to know. |
| 07:06.46 | infotron | SolidSnakeNZ: if it's dpkg -l wine\* then apt-get remove |
| 07:07.54 | SolidSnakeNZ | sorry i went and had dinner |
| 07:07.57 | SolidSnakeNZ | what is the things you want wols? |
| 07:08.17 | PorkSoda | Any way,, I get: Java SSL viewer URL: https://myhostname:5900/ |
| 07:08.17 | PorkSoda | Java SSL viewer URL: https://myhostname:45646/ |
| 07:08.17 | PorkSoda | Java SSL viewer URL: http://myhostname:45645/ |
| 07:08.48 | wols | SolidSnakeNZ: I asked you long ago. scroll up |
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| 07:08.53 | infotron | SolidSnakeNZ: is wine listed (eg as installed/broken/half installed/whatever) when you run dpkg -l wine\* ? |
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| 07:10.51 | SolidSnakeNZ | infotron: http://pastebin.com/m2aef7135 |
| 07:11.25 | infotron | SolidSnakeNZ: the i says it's installed. use apt-get remove wine |
| 07:12.26 | SolidSnakeNZ | localhost:/home/solidsnake# apt-get remove wine |
| 07:12.26 | SolidSnakeNZ | Reading package lists... Done |
| 07:12.26 | SolidSnakeNZ | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 07:12.26 | SolidSnakeNZ | Package wine is not installed, so not removed |
| 07:12.26 | SolidSnakeNZ | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
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| 07:12.51 | infotron | oh. it's just config files. hah. |
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| 07:13.41 | SolidSnakeNZ | hey infotron? |
| 07:13.45 | infotron | if you apt-get remove --purge wine you'll remove the config files too. (optional). any reason you need to remove wine? |
| 07:14.01 | SolidSnakeNZ | to install a fresh copy |
| 07:14.17 | infotron | that's what apt-get install --reinstall is for |
| 07:14.26 | SolidSnakeNZ | ah :S |
| 07:14.39 | SolidSnakeNZ | ok so now that the config files are removed it should work |
| 07:14.48 | wols | infotron: hint, he mixes winehq and debian WINE debs most likely |
| 07:14.53 | wols | SolidSnakeNZ: no |
| 07:15.18 | SolidSnakeNZ | ok ill get those logs for you wols hold up |
| 07:15.34 | SolidSnakeNZ | dam it.. i lost the commands you wanted cause i was kicked |
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| 07:15.38 | SolidSnakeNZ | what were they again.. sorry |
| 07:15.43 | infotron | logs? haha. that's a simple "Yes, I'm using the debs off winehq" |
| 07:16.16 | infotron | and afaik, winehq has 1.1.x or something now |
| 07:16.27 | SolidSnakeNZ | yea i know |
| 07:16.31 | SolidSnakeNZ | anyway so what do you want me to do? |
| 07:16.46 | infotron | that all depends on what you want to do |
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| 07:17.01 | SolidSnakeNZ | ok well here is the story |
| 07:17.41 | SolidSnakeNZ | it was working ok.. except utorrent wasn't working very well on wine.. so i wanted to update the new version of wine.. i follwed the instructions on the winehq website updated the apt-get listing files so it would get the lastest version |
| 07:17.46 | SolidSnakeNZ | and have since got an error |
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| 07:18.14 | SolidSnakeNZ | error: http://pastebin.com/m2be09ef0 |
| 07:18.23 | infotron | well, there are a plethora of torrent clients that run natively |
| 07:18.44 | SolidSnakeNZ | yea i know but im keen to get utorrent working |
| 07:18.55 | SolidSnakeNZ | so what does that error ^^ mean and how do i fix it? |
| 07:19.15 | infotron | remove the conflicting package(s) |
| 07:19.23 | infotron | eg, libwine |
| 07:19.37 | SolidSnakeNZ | how do i do that? |
| 07:19.54 | infotron | same way you attempted with wine just moments ago |
| 07:20.40 | SolidSnakeNZ | yay it worked |
| 07:20.43 | SolidSnakeNZ | thanks infotron <3 |
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| 07:21.22 | infotron | good job. btw, we don't put much effort into packages debian.org doesn't maintain. good luck :) |
| 07:21.50 | infotron | eg, if it breaks, you get to keep all the pieces. we're indifferent to those struggles. |
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| 07:27.39 | HappyHater | is there a settings manager for compiz in the repos? |
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| 07:28.21 | infotron | HappyHater: how did you search? |
| 07:28.52 | infotron | and what release are you tracking? |
| 07:28.55 | HappyHater | I looked for 'compiz config' 'ccsm' other variations with compiz couldn't find anything |
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| 07:29.43 | infotron | well apt-cache search compiz only shows 6 results here on etch. |
| 07:30.07 | acidslep | when i "tuned" my package selection |
| 07:30.12 | acidslep | i didnt pick one i wanted |
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| 07:30.14 | acidslep | how bad is that |
| 07:31.14 | wols | HappyHater: not really in etch, etch is too old |
| 07:31.18 | infotron | you'll have to explain 'tuned' a little more. and how you went about it. we are tEh flunkies at mind reading. |
| 07:31.52 | infotron | wonders off to a zzZZZzz land - laters and take care folks |
| 07:32.10 | wols | HappyHater: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=Compiz&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
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| 07:33.43 | HappyHater | is there a newer version or something? I just finished installing 4.0 |
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| 07:34.17 | assasukasse | hi everyone, is there someone who has installed virtualbox in lenny? non the OSE version but the proprietary |
| 07:34.37 | assasukasse | i wish to know if it works before downloading |
| 07:35.21 | infotron | hears the crickets chirping away |
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| 07:36.17 | Sebboh | Can I create a user that is allowed to scp files in but isn't allowed to run a shell? I'm setting up remote backups here. |
| 07:37.56 | Sebboh | infotron, actually I got good marks in mind reading. |
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| 07:45.10 | Sebboh | Answer to my own question regarding scp/rsync: no. Not unless I want to bother giving the user in question some sort of restricted shell. They do need a shell that will allow them to execute rsync. And unless I'm very clever, someone could do some sort of extra-command-on-the-command-line magic anyway.. |
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| 07:45.12 | nam | hi everyone, im a total noob. can anyone tell me how to add more repositories on etch. right now i cannot install anything |
| 07:45.39 | Sebboh | nam, check out /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:46.00 | Sebboh | Google has details. |
| 07:46.11 | nam | and how do i install an irc chat client so i do not have to switch to ubuntu |
| 07:46.48 | Sebboh | apt-cache search irc client; ..pick one..; apt-get install yourircclientofchoice |
| 07:46.49 | cahoot | nam: see the info offered by /msg dpkg sources |
| 07:47.05 | Cobra^^ | nam: first you add an etch repository to sources.list, then you type in something like "aptitude install <insert_client>" |
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| 07:47.53 | nam | yes that's what i am looking for. but what 's the url of the repository then? |
| 07:48.16 | nam | i am running etch 4.0 32 bit |
| 07:48.43 | cahoot | nam: as already said: see the info offered by /msg dpkg sources |
| 07:48.54 | nam | thanks |
| 07:49.16 | JyZyXEL | lol whats with this FTP connection using some random port numbers at both ends for file transfer |
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| 07:50.13 | acidslep | i |
| 07:50.15 | acidslep | dont |
| 07:50.16 | acidslep | GET IT |
| 07:50.28 | acidslep | my installation fails kinda and it wont tell me what is failing |
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| 07:53.28 | wols | !tell acidslep about enter |
| 07:53.49 | acidslep | i fragment |
| 07:53.51 | wols | acidslep: and until you actall tell us what the error is: mutter in private, not in public channels |
| 07:53.51 | acidslep | really badly |
| 07:54.03 | wols | you misuse your enter key really badly too |
| 07:54.11 | acidslep | im working on that |
| 07:54.25 | wols | and while we don't care about your fragmentation, we definitely care about your enter key misuse |
| 07:54.40 | acidslep | righto, ill quit as best i can |
| 07:54.59 | acidslep | sometimes it feel important to say what i have quickly, then i think of things to add |
| 07:55.09 | acidslep | feels* |
| 07:55.22 | wols | can you FINALLY tell us the error/problem os maybe shut up instead? |
| 07:55.31 | wols | s/os/or |
| 07:55.34 | acidslep | :( |
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| 07:56.09 | acidslep | says there was a problem with the installation, and takes me back to that little sub-menu |
| 07:56.27 | acidslep | i forgot what package it failed on, im gonna retry with just a minimal selection |
| 07:56.32 | wols | !tell acidslep about errors |
| 07:57.05 | acidslep | right, but this is the installation and its just a really generic error message from the installer |
| 07:57.25 | acidslep | you sure know your bot commands :) |
| 07:57.35 | wols | there is still stuff you did before and stuff on screen one can tell us |
| 07:57.53 | acidslep | oh, forgot to check screen one, sorry. |
| 07:57.57 | acidslep | is it just alt+number? |
| 07:58.10 | wols | yes |
| 07:58.16 | Lagbolt | alt+F# i think |
| 07:58.27 | acidslep | ok, sorry for being such a noob, ill try to get better. |
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| 07:58.42 | Lagbolt | think F4 i think has the output you are looking for . . . been a while since i tried that |
| 07:59.13 | wols | Lagbolt: depends if he means vty or irssi windows |
| 07:59.25 | Lagbolt | ahh yes |
| 07:59.34 | acidslep | vty |
| 07:59.53 | acidslep | whats irssi have to do with windows? |
| 08:00.12 | acidslep | oh, sorry. i did not know it ran on windows |
| 08:00.30 | Maulkin | err |
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| 08:00.35 | Maulkin | No. Irssi windows. |
| 08:01.12 | acidslep | windows not Windows? |
| 08:01.37 | kevinmcq | i currently use ubuntu and would like to switch to debian testing (lenny), would it be possible for me to backup my settings for things i currently use in ubuntu and will use again in debian? like gnome settings or things of that nature |
| 08:01.53 | kevinmcq | or maybe just a big list of all the packages installed so i dont forget any? |
| 08:02.03 | acidslep | why not just shrink partition and dual boot? |
| 08:02.13 | JyZyXEL | tell kevinmcq about reinstall |
| 08:02.20 | kevinmcq | cause thats messy, and i just want one OS |
| 08:02.25 | JyZyXEL | !tell kevinmcq about reinstall |
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| 08:02.31 | kevinmcq | thanks |
| 08:02.40 | acidslep | can only be messy in the MBR though. |
| 08:02.51 | JyZyXEL | kevinmcq also consider backing up your /etc/* and ~/* |
| 08:03.04 | kevinmcq | ok thanks for the tip |
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| 08:05.21 | lxsameer | hi ,i have a bluetooth adaptor class 1 , but in kde i cant discover my device with a phone or some thing else |
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| 08:09.02 | maligor | lxsameer, atleast the broadcom bluetooth dongle I have required some additional kernel module options to work |
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| 08:09.47 | lxsameer | maligor: like what? |
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| 08:12.35 | Sebboh | Hi. I'm using Lenny, but I've grabbed a package from Sid because it's useful--it's a collection of postgres scripts. The package (skytools) depends on postgres (makes sense) but I have installed postgres on another machine, not this one. Soooo, how I can beat the dependency and install the package anyway? Without breaking my apt system? |
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| 08:13.56 | maligor | lxsameer, well, is it a broadcom chip? |
| 08:13.57 | |inuxmath | am i right thinking that if 137-139 ports are not blocked on a windowze machine I can mount and see it with smbclient not editing smb.conf? |
| 08:14.21 | maligor | options hci_usb reset=1 force_scofix=1 |
| 08:14.31 | maligor | or a usb device for that matter |
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| 08:16.22 | streuner_laptop | Is there a working gdesklet weather plugin? |
| 08:16.36 | streuner_laptop | in unstable |
| 08:16.56 | Sebboh | |inuxmath, eh, that's murky. See, 139 is netbios. Recent versions of windows (and samba) don't use netbios for shares anymore.. (And I'm just going to leave the phrase Server Message Block out of this because I don't know enough details to provide useful information.) |
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| 08:17.22 | |inuxmath | Sebboh, it's windows xp sp2 |
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| 08:18.10 | Sebboh | |inuxmath, stll murky. fortunately, there are other ways to check for blocked ports, that's just a TCP thing. Investigate at that level, rather than at the application level. nmap, perhaps? |
| 08:18.24 | |inuxmath | Ill be prompted for user/password |
| 08:18.37 | |inuxmath | they are not blocked |
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| 08:19.31 | Sebboh | |inuxmath, based on what you've said, and only on what you've said, it's possible that those ports aren't being used. :) Just FYI. |
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| 08:20.44 | wols | !tell Sebboh about equivs |
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| 08:21.17 | anddam | is dpkg alive? |
| 08:21.20 | |inuxmath | well, the connections has been established, i just need to specify some options for smbclient now ;) |
| 08:21.22 | wols | !test |
| 08:21.23 | Sebboh | wols, just found it. Thanks. |
| 08:21.38 | anddam | wols: not replying to me |
| 08:22.00 | minerale | anyone know how I can delete the 'last' line on a text line using standard unix tools? (ie sed, awk, not perl) |
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| 08:22.30 | Sebboh | dpkg might be on a server that is lagging, eh? |
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| 08:23.12 | cusco | minerale: do you know how many lines will be outputed? |
| 08:23.16 | anddam | minerale: crappy way, wc | head |
| 08:23.27 | cusco | there |
| 08:23.32 | anddam | assuming it is a file |
| 08:24.14 | cusco | split |
| 08:24.16 | anddam | split, g'bye dpkg |
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| 08:24.43 | cusco | and 20 others |
| 08:24.45 | Sebboh | minerale, last line on a text line? Whatever that means. :) Last line from a file/stream? Sure! google up sed one liners. It's one of the examples. |
| 08:24.57 | minerale | err, I mean the last line of a text file |
| 08:25.11 | minerale | ie foo\nbar\baz -> foo\bar |
| 08:25.26 | cusco | minerale: wc -l file.txt |
| 08:25.28 | MFZ | minerale: Try "sed '$d' file >file.new" |
| 08:25.30 | Sebboh | yes. sed1line.txt contains an example that says how to do that. |
| 08:25.50 | cusco | get the number of lines, if it was 100, head -n 99 file.txt |
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| 08:26.41 | minerale | I was thinking something like head -n ${`wc -l file1.txt`-1} file1.txt > file2.txt; mv file2.txt file1.txt; -- but was hoping for a one step approach |
| 08:26.48 | Sebboh | What MFZ said is probably it. (?) Also, you might like sed's edit-in-place feature, if you're working with real files. sed rocks. |
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| 08:27.53 | Sebboh | I don't think this conversation is in sync. I wish that individual PRIVMSG lines contained some metadata, like sent-at or something. |
| 08:28.28 | wols | Sebboh: get a decent client |
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| 08:28.38 | anddam | minerale: did you get it from sed1line? |
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| 08:31.57 | Sebboh | wols, huh? :) The IRC protocol doesn't support timestamping, dude. My client has nothing to do with my comment. |
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| 08:32.26 | wols | it does. evrey decent client (like irssi) does timestamps |
| 08:32.32 | wols | e.g. irssi does it by default |
| 08:32.50 | Guerin | they do it from localtime |
| 08:32.51 | wols | and the irc procotol does as well btw. so if your client is too daft to display it, it's not a irc or channel fault |
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| 08:33.56 | biatche | how can i see dmesg on screen while logging it to dmesg.txt? in other words its like running dmesg & dmesg > dmesg.txt |
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| 08:34.50 | acidslep | ok wols i got data this time |
| 08:34.57 | acidslep | it was doing pkg vino and it failed |
| 08:35.08 | Martiini | anyone know .. How can I chroot into ubuntu on gentoo? |
| 08:35.32 | acidslep | and pkgsel quited with error code 1 |
| 08:35.38 | acidslep | said that on screen 4 |
| 08:35.42 | wols | Martiini: chroot /path/to/ubunt/rootdir |
| 08:35.57 | wols | acidslep: exact error |
| 08:35.57 | Sebboh | wols, the message I'm typing now comes down the line to your client something like "PRIVMSG #debian sebboh wols, the".. etc. It does not include metadata about when I sent that message. The timestamp you see is added by your client, and does not help you know if my message took 0.3 sec to reach you or five minutes. |
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| 08:36.05 | acidslep | ok |
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| 08:37.17 | kevinmcq | !sid |
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| 08:37.32 | kevinmcq | where can i find a download for sid iso's |
| 08:37.39 | kevinmcq | im not seeing it on debian.org |
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| 08:38.19 | Guerin | you can't |
| 08:38.25 | Guerin | !sid iso |
| 08:38.28 | pumpkin0 | kevinmcq: sid is never released, so there are no isos |
| 08:38.30 | kevinmcq | ah alrightty then |
| 08:38.31 | Guerin | hm. |
| 08:38.31 | Sebboh | kevinmcq, I don't think a sid iso would be very useful, as it's updated/broken/fixed daily, and is in a constant state of flux. |
| 08:38.42 | kevinmcq | alright then |
| 08:38.43 | kevinmcq | thanks |
| 08:38.44 | Guerin | there used to be a factoid about this |
| 08:38.47 | Sebboh | Guerin, dpkg isn't here. |
| 08:38.52 | Guerin | oh. |
| 08:38.55 | Guerin | @sid iso |
| 08:39.07 | Guerin | bah, and ravenbird too |
| 08:39.10 | acidslep | damnit wols i cant remember the whole thing, since i have to run down stairs to look at it |
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| 08:39.19 | Guerin | apt: sid iso? |
| 08:39.19 | apt | i guess sid iso is /msg apt woody iso |
| 08:39.24 | Guerin | fail. |
| 08:39.34 | Sebboh | kornbluth.freenode.net is disconnected, Guerin. :) |
| 08:40.02 | Martiini | wols: holy!! chroot works :) I can upgrade and all |
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| 08:41.33 | Decepticon | if i want to make a text file (permissions 644) in a different dir publicly available, do i just make ln -s <path to text file> ~/public_html/text_file , and access it from http://myserver.com/~decepticon/text_file |
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| 08:42.16 | liable | either my computer is getting slower or kernels are getting huger |
| 08:42.58 | streuner_laptop | Is somebody able to get data for weather-full (gdesklets)? |
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| 08:43.35 | streuner_laptop | hands liable's computer a coffee |
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| 08:43.55 | eth01 | strenuer_laptop: http://adesklets.sourceforge.net/desklets.html ? |
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| 08:45.05 | zophy[] | what the freek is a desklet ? |
| 08:45.15 | pipeline | Hard to say |
| 08:45.18 | Guerin | it's a unit of fail |
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| 08:45.22 | streuner_laptop | haha |
| 08:45.26 | eth01 | windows interpretation of a widget |
| 08:45.27 | pipeline | jesus |
| 08:45.27 | Guerin | the more of them you have on your desktop, the more you fail |
| 08:45.31 | streuner_laptop | eth01: nice URL, thanks. |
| 08:45.32 | pipeline | the regulars don't change, 24 hours |
| 08:45.38 | eth01 | such as the famous windows sidebar on vista :-) |
| 08:45.40 | wols | eth01: gdesklets existed way before vista |
| 08:45.42 | pipeline | guerin, streuner don't ever go on idle. |
| 08:45.57 | Guerin | pipeline: I'm just too lazy to hit /away |
| 08:45.58 | eth01 | wols: you win. |
| 08:46.06 | massmc | Hello, I am trying to install the Nvidia driver and it's telling me It cant install cause it's running X Server. It's tellong me this also when I exit to a prompt.. Anyones help would be appreciated |
| 08:46.13 | pipeline | Guerin: /away isn't what it's about. |
| 08:46.18 | massmc | telling* |
| 08:46.21 | Guerin | i've been fishing all day, with some success, so you can't accuse me of wasting my day in fromt of teh ircs |
| 08:46.26 | eth01 | going to crappy ikea! |
| 08:46.33 | wols | massmc: nvidia.com drivers? |
| 08:46.33 | pipeline | massmc: it's generally a bad idea to install the nvidia driver from nvidia.com |
| 08:46.41 | defrysk | massmc, killall <yourdm> in a tty and try again |
| 08:46.43 | eth01 | bbs |
| 08:46.46 | massmc | yep, those drivers :/ No good? |
| 08:46.59 | wols | massmc: we do not support them. edbian comes with nvidia drivers |
| 08:47.02 | pipeline | massmc: the nvidia driver consists of three parts: the kernel driver, the X11 driver, and the OpenGL library |
| 08:47.08 | wols | massmc: what nvidia card? |
| 08:47.16 | liable | must remember to take rod when heading to work |
| 08:47.20 | massmc | 7600 Gforce |
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| 08:47.32 | wols | !tell massmc about nvidia |
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| 08:47.43 | Guerin | liable: do you live back on the coast now or something? |
| 08:47.46 | wols | massmc: nvidia drievrs are in non-free and contrib |
| 08:47.48 | pipeline | massmc: it's best to install module-assistant and use that to bulid the kernel driver. Debian itself can take care of nvidia-glx and the X11 driver. |
| 08:48.09 | pipeline | Guerin: Do I count as an old-timer yet :P |
| 08:48.12 | liable | Guerin: perth, but i'm working in broome next tour (i work 13/15 now) |
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| 08:48.23 | Decepticon | if i want to make a text file (permissions 644) in a different dir publicly available, do i just make ln -s <path to text file> ~/public_html/text_file , and access it from http://myserver.com/~decepticon/text_file ... but im doing something wrong because i dont see it listed by apache as a file, even after refresh... and accessign it directly gives "forbidden" permission error |
| 08:48.26 | massmc | I'm pretty newb at all this also, have only been in Debian for a week.. gave windose the boot |
| 08:48.42 | Guerin | pipeline: I reckon so. |
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| 08:48.54 | defrysk | install his driver in the "non-debian " way and will continue to do so :> |
| 08:48.57 | Guerin | liable: I hear broome is teh awesome |
| 08:49.04 | defrysk | installs* |
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| 08:49.17 | wols | defrysk: your choice but not in here when helping others |
| 08:49.27 | defrysk | wols, agree |
| 08:49.33 | liable | Guerin: theres actually fuck all there except a beach, but it draws the backslappers, and its good for a perv ;) |
| 08:49.52 | massmc | cheers wols, pipeline.. I'm gonna try that.. back in afew with no hair |
| 08:49.54 | Guerin | heh |
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| 08:51.39 | pipeline | Decepticon: There are several sets of permissions at hnad |
| 08:51.51 | Decepticon | what am i doing wrong? which permissions should i change |
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| 08:52.08 | massmc | wols, am I looking for these drivers in synaptic? |
| 08:52.27 | pipeline | massmc: synaptic is only a frontend to apt |
| 08:53.01 | pipeline | massmc: it will likely not have the driver itself, only the source package. You will need the module-assistant package to amke much use |
| 08:53.02 | massmc | pipeline, where is the apt? |
| 08:53.13 | Decepticon | pipeline can you give me a general idea what sort of permissions beyond file permissions? do i need to do something to apache |
| 08:53.37 | pipeline | Decepticon: give me a second, it's sufficiently late at night that I have to think slowly |
| 08:53.51 | Decepticon | pipeline i will wait |
| 08:53.54 | liable | man i need to clean my home dir. i have test dirs all over the place for building stuff |
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| 08:54.18 | pipeline | Decepticon: let's start from the bototm |
| 08:54.20 | wols | massmc: if you have non-free and contrib repos yes |
| 08:54.23 | zophy[] | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:54.48 | pipeline | Decepticon: the http://foo/~userdir is provided by an apache module, IIRC it is mod_userdir |
| 08:54.50 | zophy[] | i'll start the bloodbath for everyone if we are agreed |
| 08:55.15 | Decepticon | right |
| 08:55.18 | pipeline | Decepticon: that module looks for ~user/pubilc_html |
| 08:55.24 | pipeline | Decepticon: Do you follow? |
| 08:55.28 | Decepticon | yes i do |
| 08:55.59 | zophy[] | makes the sound of the knife scene in "physco", eekah eekah eekah |
| 08:56.23 | Guerin | oh yeah, Physco, the movie about the health spa |
| 08:56.37 | zophy[] | i love water |
| 08:56.44 | Decepticon | cant live without it |
| 08:57.03 | pipeline | Decepticon: ok. So, to make http://myserver.com/~user/foo.html available, mod_userdir must be available, must beenabled, and /home/user/public_html/ must be readable and executable by the user that apache is run as |
| 08:58.01 | pipeline | Decepticon: I realize that I'm not super clear, but the combination of the comments in /etc/apache2/httpd.conf and my comments should make some sense |
| 08:58.19 | Decepticon | pipeline im positive i have /home/decepticon/public_html set to be readable/exceuteable |
| 08:58.27 | pipeline | Decepticon: suffice to say, the userdir module is what you seek |
| 08:58.28 | Decepticon | beyond that i am not sure of what needs to be done |
| 08:58.34 | pipeline | Decepticon: readable, executable by who ? |
| 08:58.39 | Decepticon | pipeline i have the userdir module already setup |
| 08:58.43 | Decepticon | pipeline one sec |
| 08:59.02 | Decepticon | drwxr-xr-x 9 decepticon decepticon 4096 2008-07-11 02:52 public_html/ |
| 08:59.11 | Decepticon | i beieve that is 755 |
| 08:59.18 | pipeline | ok |
| 08:59.30 | pipeline | the public_html has appropriate permissinos |
| 08:59.33 | Decepticon | and going to http://foo/~decepticon/ shows listing |
| 08:59.39 | Decepticon | whichi means i have userdir module properly setup |
| 08:59.55 | pipeline | actually, no |
| 09:00.09 | pipeline | if it shows a listing of the public_html directory |
| 09:00.22 | pipeline | then the "userdir" bit of apache is working |
| 09:00.31 | pipeline | the problem is the index |
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| 09:00.47 | pipeline | I'm afraid I'm in no shape to explain apache's indexing directives |
| 09:01.44 | pipeline | tried softlinks between ~decepticon/public_html/index.html and ~decepticon/public_html/index.htm ? |
| 09:02.01 | Decepticon | so what exactly allows apache to index everything like dirs and files hosted under /home/decepticon/public_html/* except for symbolic links |
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| 09:02.53 | Decepticon | pipeline not sure i followed you rlast post about softlinks |
| 09:03.12 | PiousMinion | Anyone know why the debian lenny installer would install lilo instead of grub? |
| 09:03.48 | pipeline | Decepticon: It's difficult to explain. I don't think I can make an acceptable showing in my current state, it's late, yet. Try tomorrow :( |
| 09:04.06 | Decepticon | pipeline okay, i will ask again tomorrow |
| 09:04.08 | pipeline | PiousMinion: That's impossible. |
| 09:04.11 | eximium | PiousMinion: You can choose between lilo and grub |
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| 09:04.32 | drazak | Decepticon: there is an #apache |
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| 09:04.43 | Decepticon | hi drazak |
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| 09:04.46 | pipeline | Decepticon: I'm on EST, but there are many other people who can help you in the EST timezone. I'm sorry I can't be clearer, it's just so late for me :\ |
| 09:04.53 | PiousMinion | pipeline, eximium: No option was given. It installed lilo without notice. |
| 09:05.09 | pipeline | PiousMinion: that doesn't sound like lenny to me |
| 09:05.13 | pipeline | PiousMinion: are you on x86? |
| 09:05.20 | PiousMinion | pipeline: yes |
| 09:05.23 | eximium | PiousMinion: have you started the installer with "expert" |
| 09:05.37 | PiousMinion | eximium: no |
| 09:05.37 | drazak | pipeline: EDT :D |
| 09:05.38 | wols | PiousMinion: why do you use lenny in the first place as a installer? |
| 09:05.56 | pipeline | drazak: d'oh. I'm a hoosier, born and bred. |
| 09:06.10 | pipeline | drazak: we didn't have daylight savings until 2007. |
| 09:06.13 | PiousMinion | wols: I don't understand the question. Should I be using the etch netinst iso to install lenny? |
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| 09:06.30 | pipeline | PiousMinion: Well, yes. |
| 09:06.37 | liable | hmm, been a while since I compiled a kernel. forgot a driver there somewhere |
| 09:06.44 | pipeline | PiousMinion: the "netinst" doesn't actually require th net |
| 09:06.56 | pipeline | PiousMinion: And the stable netinst is always going to work |
| 09:07.04 | pipeline | PiousMinion: Upgrading is easy :) |
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| 09:07.43 | wols | PiousMinion: ys |
| 09:07.44 | wols | yes |
| 09:07.52 | PiousMinion | pipeline: I'm aware that netinst doesn't require a net connection, but why use the etch install to install lenny? |
| 09:07.56 | PiousMinion | wols: ^ |
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| 09:08.00 | wols | PiousMinion: the lenny installer is for testing the new installer not for installin debian. |
| 09:08.05 | drazak | pipeline: hoosier? |
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| 09:08.26 | PiousMinion | wols: Is there an option in the etch installer to choose lenny or must I upgrade after? |
| 09:08.35 | wols | you upgrade after |
| 09:08.47 | PiousMinion | That really sucks as I have really slow media. :/ |
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| 09:09.23 | pipeline | drazak: A person from a particular state, Indiana. Indiana is roughly five million people. "Hoosier" is both derogatory and familiar. It's in a sort of netherland. |
| 09:09.24 | PiousMinion | also odd is that I've used this same disc several times before and have never had it install lilo. |
| 09:09.25 | Agiofws | how do i tell hugin to stick them straight ? www.imagebin.org/22378 ? |
| 09:09.47 | pipeline | PiousMinion: Because Lenny is not released yet |
| 09:10.04 | pipeline | PiousMinion: the debian project expects upgrades to work |
| 09:10.09 | drazak | pipeline: ah |
| 09:10.19 | pipeline | PiousMinion: Side-grades and downgrades may, may not work. |
| 09:10.33 | wols | PiousMinion: you can be lucky with lenny installer but it often breaks too- and that is not a good thing when installing |
| 09:10.34 | pipeline | PiousMinion: It's better to install something that you know full well will work and upgrade |
| 09:10.44 | pipeline | drazak: Regionalisms are fun, eh? |
| 09:11.00 | drazak | PiousMinion: it's quite easy to put grub over it |
| 09:11.00 | pipeline | drazak: "hoosier" was originally a derogatory term |
| 09:11.03 | drazak | pipeline: yeah |
| 09:11.13 | PiousMinion | I guess I'm reinstalling a fifth time. :/ |
| 09:11.15 | pipeline | drazak: During the 20th century, it became a badge of pride |
| 09:11.23 | pipeline | drazak: Now, again, it is derogatory |
| 09:11.34 | pipeline | drazak: because Indiana is a center for manufacturing |
| 09:11.44 | drazak | yeaah |
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| 09:11.57 | pipeline | drazak: and, much like Michigan (e.g. Detroit) it is falling short of hopes |
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| 09:12.05 | pipeline | welcome to the rust belt :\ |
| 09:12.09 | PiousMinion | Installing debian to an encrypted LVM on flash media connected to usb 1.1 isn't very fast. lol |
| 09:12.25 | pipeline | PiousMinion: Gee, you think? :) |
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| 09:16.03 | PiousMinion | Is there some gnome provided tool to wipe CD-RWs? |
| 09:17.14 | defrysk | most burner apps have awipe option |
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| 09:17.46 | grandolf | anyone using tor with privoxy? |
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| 09:17.54 | dagnasty | gnomebaker is supposed to be able to |
| 09:18.25 | grandolf | dagnasty: do what? |
| 09:18.29 | defrysk | and usually its asked in the dialog if you want it wiped or not |
| 09:18.36 | PiousMinion | thanks, thought there might be some nautilus function. |
| 09:18.55 | dagnasty | grandolf: wipe cd/rw |
| 09:18.58 | defrysk | PiousMinion, its in the dialog when you insrt a written rewritable |
| 09:19.13 | defrysk | in nautilus that is |
| 09:19.18 | grandolf | dagnasty: k3d can do it too. |
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| 09:19.36 | defrysk | grandolf, k3b is a kde app |
| 09:19.46 | PiousMinion | defrysk: I thought I saw it there before to is why I asked, but I guess it had trouble detecting it. *shrugs* thanks anyway |
| 09:19.52 | dagnasty | grandolf: yep but just responding to Pious |
| 09:19.57 | defrysk | PiousMinion, k |
| 09:20.04 | grandolf | defrysk: correct, and that is what all of us should be using. |
| 09:20.17 | defrysk | ? |
| 09:20.46 | grandolf | k3d is of commercial quality. |
| 09:21.09 | defrysk | grandolf, its k3b and a gnoe user has no need for k3b |
| 09:21.14 | defrysk | gnome user |
| 09:21.15 | PiousMinion | I have kdelibs blocked from my system. WAY too bloated. |
| 09:21.24 | defrysk | PiousMinion, good stuff ;) |
| 09:21.49 | grandolf | PiousMinion: you don't know how to appreciate the good things in life. |
| 09:22.10 | defrysk | for ther rest.. try off topic |
| 09:22.22 | grandolf | kids use gnome. real men use kde. |
| 09:22.28 | PiousMinion | grandolf: Throwing your reasources in the trash isn't very enjoyable, but let's stop before this turns into a DE war. :P |
| 09:22.39 | defrysk | grandolf, you are ot |
| 09:22.47 | grandolf | PiousMinion: use kde and shutup. |
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| 09:23.31 | PiousMinion | Everyone here sees us for who we are. Rest knowing this. |
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| 09:24.56 | liable | sounds a bit deep and meaningfull |
| 09:25.09 | PiousMinion | hehe, I'm sure he missed it. |
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| 09:33.33 | bitchxuser | How do I get suspend to work correctly when I close the lid? I already did /msg dpkg suspend and the like. Seems incoherent. |
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| 09:37.46 | ace | hello there, is it normal that mysql-server-4.1 install version 5? |
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| 09:41.06 | HardDisk_WP | bitchxuser, suspend sucks... what kernel/motherboard/cpu/gpu? |
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| 09:41.44 | Eulex | ace, yes, the 4.1 package is a transition package |
| 09:41.47 | bitchxuser | HardDisk_WP what do you mean "suspend sucks" - it doesn't work well in Debian? |
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| 09:42.26 | HardDisk_WP | bitchxuser, always depends on the system |
| 09:42.40 | HardDisk_WP | external gpu kernel modules for example tend to break it |
| 09:42.49 | HardDisk_WP | it's not that easy as on windows to get it working |
| 09:43.29 | bitchxuser | I'm using Debian under VirtualBox right now, but I'm thinking about whether I should invert the situation (Debian host, XP guest) - in either case I need Debian to suspend gracefully |
| 09:43.37 | bitchxuser | I got a Thinkpad X32, btw |
| 09:44.21 | liable | bitchxuser: have you checked thinkwiki? |
| 09:46.20 | bitchxuser | liable years ago, when I got the machine, but I thought Linux caught up since then and I'd get an answer like "of course it work, whaddyamean?" |
| 09:47.18 | bitchxuser | I use linux daily at work, btw, but I don't have to deal with suspend, etc. |
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| 09:47.54 | steven | bitchxuser: check out tuxonice |
| 09:47.56 | liable | bitchxuser: take a look anyway, usually has good info for that sort of thing. |
| 09:48.19 | liable | yeah, tuxonice is the old suspend2, which i used to use. worked well.. |
| 09:50.27 | bitchxuser | ThinkWiki doesn't seem to say anything about suspend working or not (I checked pages for X32 and probably similar X31) - I'll try linuxonlaptops and such |
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| 09:55.15 | bitchxuser | Checked out TuxOnIce :-( I'll probably get accused of trolling, but... you need 3rd party kernel patches to get suspend to work? This is 2008! Btw, on thinkwiki someone mentions that suspend worked in 2005 except for backlight remaining on blame-ATI-something. |
| 09:56.01 | soulchild | Hi all, after compiling a 2.6.25 kernel i get: "Failed to open initial console", any ideas what is missing? I do not use a initrd. |
| 09:57.09 | nkuttler | bitchxuser: uswsusp works just fine for me, out of the box |
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| 09:59.02 | St0n3-C0l | Hmm, guys I am having strange kind of Xorg related problem. After recently updating my system completely. Now when I boot in the normal kernel, Xorg fails and doesn't start and Just few mins ago I discovered that when I was in recovery-mode and did 'gdm'. It worked. on Normal mode it's still the same |
| 09:59.10 | soulchild | Help. After compiling a 2.6.25 kernel i get: "Failed to open initial console", any ideas what is missing? I do not use a initrd. |
| 09:59.45 | bitchxuser | what's the relation between hibernate-tool and hibernate packages? Is the former an old name for the latter? |
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| 10:01.34 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: ATIs and hibernate are fun. Do you aim for suspend-to-RAM or suspend-to-Disk ? |
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| 10:02.29 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 to-RAM many times a day, to-Disk maybe once a week or never |
| 10:02.51 | folken | soulchild: maybe you have no console support in your kernel config? |
| 10:03.15 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: to-RAM is a problem with ATIs. You cannot get them to shut off with the stock-kernel. That drains about 1.5-2W. |
| 10:03.54 | folken | soulchild: check for CONFIG_VT=y |
| 10:03.54 | folken | CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y |
| 10:04.07 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 ThinkWiki says uncomment "RadeonTool yes" line in /etc/hibernate/ram.conf and maybe stuff will work (or something) |
| 10:04.07 | folken | and CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE=y |
| 10:04.12 | folken | in your .config |
| 10:04.25 | St0n3-C0l | Hmm, any solution to my problem guys? |
| 10:04.27 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: thats for to-disk, not to-ram. |
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| 10:04.55 | folken | St0n3-C0l: how about removing your xorg.conf and trying xinit without it. |
| 10:05.10 | folken | St0n3-C0l: just make sure gdm is stopped. |
| 10:05.23 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 does "ACPI" mean to-RAM or to-Disk, I forget |
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| 10:05.53 | St0n3-C0l | folken: hmm.. i will try it, one more thing when I read the error file at the end it was space : 26 wanted: 32 sort of thing relating to rings |
| 10:06.04 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: acpi = power related stuff controlled via BIOS and drivers. It can do to-ram, may help with to-disk. |
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| 10:06.17 | St0n3-C0l | folken: I will do it, brb. |
| 10:06.18 | folken | St0n3-C0l: sorry that does not ring a bell with me. |
| 10:06.26 | soulchild | folken: both is enabled |
| 10:06.35 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_LCD_backlight_remaining_on_during_ACPI_sleep#Problem_description |
| 10:06.39 | folken | soulchild: all three? |
| 10:06.45 | folken | soulchild: also the CONFIG_HW_CONSOLE=y ? |
| 10:06.58 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 seems to talk about to-RAM suspend |
| 10:07.08 | soulchild | folken: yes |
| 10:07.30 | folken | soulchild: your /dev/ contains a /dev/console right? |
| 10:07.38 | folken | soulchild: even without udev? |
| 10:07.50 | soulchild | folken: how can i check, i mean , the kernel does not boot properly |
| 10:07.55 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: that is one part of the problem. Turning of the blacklight is easy. The GPU stay awake and powered too. |
| 10:08.14 | folken | soulchild: they should be on the filesystem |
| 10:08.27 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 I see. Thanks. and to-Disk works perfectly ? |
| 10:08.35 | folken | soulchild: you can remount your filesystem somewhere where udev does not hold |
| 10:08.46 | folken | soulchild: e.g. mount /dev/hda2 /mnt/foobar/ |
| 10:08.54 | folken | soulchild: and just cd /mnt/foobar/dev |
| 10:09.13 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: it has no problems with the ATI, just the usual tuxonice quirks. |
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| 10:09.47 | soulchild | folken: ahh ok , and how do i create the /dev/console device |
| 10:09.53 | folken | soulchild: also check CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y |
| 10:10.02 | xingu | one of these days I'll get around to fighting suspend/ resume again :) |
| 10:10.11 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 I'm not comfortable with 3rd party kernel patches, frankly. Would default Debian Stable have suspend-to-Disk working? |
| 10:10.17 | soulchild | folken: also activated |
| 10:10.25 | wols | bitchxuser: it usually does |
| 10:10.29 | wols | !swusp |
| 10:10.35 | Sebboh | How do you use key-based authentication for SSH if you need to authenticate as a different user than you are on the local machine? Example, using normal passwords, I might do ssh -l hobbes othermachine because I am dave on this machine.. Can dave use a key that belongs to hobbes ? |
| 10:10.50 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: it should work fine if you have a spare partition. |
| 10:10.52 | folken | you enter the dev directory and do an 'mknod c 1 12 console' |
| 10:10.56 | wols | uswsusp - tools to use userspace software suspend provided by Linux |
| 10:11.04 | folken | you should then have a crw------- 1 root root 5, 1 12. Jul 00:08 console |
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| 10:11.36 | xingu | Sebboh: ssh(1): -i |
| 10:11.44 | folken | soulchild: but are you booting the same system you are currently using? |
| 10:11.53 | Sebboh | identity file.. ok. |
| 10:12.11 | soulchild | folken: yes but this is the debian standard kernel + initrd |
| 10:12.56 | folken | soulchild: ah, the initial /dev directory resides within the initrd. |
| 10:13.38 | soulchild | folken: that means ? |
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| 10:14.21 | folken | soulchild: the initrd contains allready a /dev/console and /dev/tty etc. it then switches to the real /dev on the filesystem after it has started udev on the real /dev |
| 10:14.40 | folken | soulchild: is your /dev empty? |
| 10:14.42 | soulchild | folken: so what can i do ? |
| 10:14.52 | folken | soulchild: one moment |
| 10:15.11 | soulchild | folken: no it's full |
| 10:15.14 | soulchild | :D |
| 10:15.34 | folken | soulchild: i hope its not drunk too.. :) |
| 10:15.37 | bitchxuser | Here's what I'm curious about: back when I got this laptop about 2 years ago, ATI cards were praised for their open-sourciness and consequent Linux compatibility, present and future. What happened? |
| 10:16.55 | xingu | bitchxuser: they still are ;) |
| 10:17.15 | Sebboh | xingu, or anyone.. When I run ssh-keygen, it creates an id_rsa key and public key, eh? ..I've got a lot of accounts on a lot of machines. Should I create lots of these id_rsa key pairs? Or just one, and copy it all over the place, and the pair would represent "me", not my accounts and machines? |
| 10:18.00 | bitchxuser | xingu in case you missed earlier parts of the discussion, ATI cards apparently don't fall asleep when asked by Linux. They only do that when asked by Windows |
| 10:18.16 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: ATI stopped supporting the opensoucre driver and started fglrx. After the AMD-ATI-deal opensoucre driver are again supported. |
| 10:18.56 | hoxu | Sebboh, make a keypair for each machine, it's easier to revoke just one key in case it gets compromised |
| 10:19.00 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: but the specs for the older cards (like your 7000 or the 7500) are sparse and incomplete and will stay so. |
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| 10:19.26 | folken | soulchild: you can copy over from your current /dev : console, zero, null, tty0,2,3, |
| 10:19.32 | xingu | Sebboh: you're touching on "design me a security trust model" and that's not something I'd do lightly; you need to be clear about what you're designing and what the risk/ reward of each choice is as it impacts that design |
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| 10:20.34 | xingu | Sebboh: iotw I've done this (and cleaned up other people's messes) _just_ often enough to know that I don't really want to wade into this conversation on irc; start with a logical (data)flow diagram, colour your zones, then work out what trusts are necessary and what the administrative controls are |
| 10:20.40 | Sebboh | hoxu, is that the only reason? :) 'cause, I disagree. It'd be easier for me to create one config and push it to 15 boxes, once, and do that same thing again, if it is compromised. :) As far as number of keystrokes, anyway.. |
| 10:20.41 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: at that time nvidia only had a more-or-less working closed source driver. ATI was at least giving out basic specs. So they were the "good" guys. |
| 10:20.43 | bitchxuser | wonders if AMD is still around |
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| 10:21.33 | xingu | pumpkin0: _totally OT_ and troll alert, but relevant to where you're going there (and it is sunday after all) - http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/06/nitty-gritty-shit-on-open-source.html |
| 10:22.00 | folken | bitchxuser: so far the best openly supported graphic chipsets are currently the intel offering. (At least for notebooks) |
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| 10:22.05 | hoxu | Sebboh, well, I guess it's another "depends on your needs" thing... |
| 10:22.45 | folken | bitchxuser: i was fighting suspend issues on notebooks with nvidia graphicchipsets too. |
| 10:22.58 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i'm using nvidia all the way. for me "working" is more important then open source.$ |
| 10:23.15 | xingu | Sebboh: also, you might want to look at things like ... http://dev.inversepath.com/trac/openssh-lpk |
| 10:23.39 | xingu | Sebboh: ... if you decide (during design review) that revocation is important |
| 10:24.04 | bitchxuser | xingu I actually had a chance to look at that page some days ago. I don't understand the technical details of X, etc. but it seemed like the author knew what he was talking about in detail. Makes one wonder "if you hate Linux so much, how did you get to learn so much about it" |
| 10:24.48 | bitchxuser | it seems like Linux Hater is more popular than I thought (I heard of him on reddit) |
| 10:24.50 | Sebboh | hoxu, xingu, thanks for the input. I think that I will do seperate keypairs for each account/machine. |
| 10:25.37 | th1 | hi, I've enabled bash_completion in /etc/bash.bashrc but the machine is slow and it takes about 4 seconds to execute it which is annoying, so I was trying to write a cache thing where it'll output all the settings and just load them from a cache file. will that work? |
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| 10:27.13 | xingu | pumpkin0: do you have working suspend on a notebook with nvidia gpu? just fishing for datapoints |
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| 10:28.02 | Sebboh | xingu, ?! :) lpk sounds sweet. Too bad there's apparently been some trouble getting it into the upstream.. |
| 10:28.09 | pumpkin0 | xingu: nope. I'm working with CUDA and we do not get laptops from work. My old thinkpad runs an intel-GPU. |
| 10:28.45 | Posterdati | tarzeau: do you own an sgi? |
| 10:29.05 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i have never seen the point of buying a fast GPU for xchat & Opera. |
| 10:29.39 | xingu | pumpkin0: :) fair do, just thought I'd ask |
| 10:29.52 | xingu | pumpkin0: what's your work's take on ati's stream, just out of interest? |
| 10:29.59 | folken | it would be interesting if you could pitch more to the gpu than just graphics. |
| 10:30.06 | DawnLight | any aptitude devs here? |
| 10:30.20 | xingu | pumpkin0: reason I ask is that it seems that ati has gifted the world with a better !:$ ratio recently... |
| 10:30.33 | folken | my latest ati card comes with windows software which encodes video with the gpu. |
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| 10:30.48 | pumpkin0 | xingu: CUDA has a more high-level SDK. With stream you are so close to the metal.. it's like comparing ASM to C++. |
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| 10:31.30 | pumpkin0 | xingu: you may have more control with stream, but you get stuff done faster with CUDA. |
| 10:31.50 | bitchxuser | CUDA is JITTed, so it's more like ASM to Java :) |
| 10:31.52 | xingu | pumpkin0: mmm, interesting; is that something your work is periodically reviewing, or are you too committed to bail now? |
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| 10:32.57 | Bushmills | takes a careful peek at the channel |
| 10:33.00 | pumpkin0 | xingu: for the current project we are locked on CUDA. The project will end in about 2 years, then we recheck. IBMs Cell, Stream or CUDA was the list last time (about 8 months ago). |
| 10:33.06 | Bushmills | how's troll level today? |
| 10:33.56 | Bushmills | !troll-level-o-meter |
| 10:34.12 | pumpkin0 | Bushmills: dpkg is offline ... raven too. |
| 10:34.34 | hoxu | apt, ping |
| 10:34.35 | apt | pong |
| 10:34.35 | xingu | pumpkin0: neat; it's just that from my "hey I do nothing at all commercial with this but I know people who do" perspective, I see CUDA as roughly the microvax of vector offload architectures; that layer that's boosing your productivity is also going to choke the architecture in the long run, I think |
| 10:35.02 | Bushmills | pumpkin0: is it that bad :) |
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| 10:36.32 | xingu | pumpkin0: I'd consider it "highly likely" (tm) (pat pending) that "someone" will start shipping a closed, rtos-like kernel based on stream; and it'll play out roughly like the whole qnx->minix->linux thing did in the x86 world. |
| 10:36.47 | pumpkin0 | xingu: all these systems only work for some very, very specific tasks. We will always need a CPU. Nvidia goal to move nearly everything to the GPU is doomed and will not work. |
| 10:36.47 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 do many people use CUDA commercially? I know some who try (but they don't really have a good business model), but I thought it was more of an exception |
| 10:37.08 | xingu | pumpkin0: sure, I'm under no delusions about how all the pieces fit together ;) |
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| 10:38.16 | xingu | pumpkin0: where nvidia do have a micro market though is in low power/ single chip; G3 phone with high end-user expectations of display quality gives you lots of opportunity to move signal processing as well as gui tasks to a trim version of their architecture |
| 10:38.19 | Bushmills | pumpkin0: ATI works along a similar line, and afaik, they're even a bit ahead of nvidia |
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| 10:38.42 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: there are some but some are in research, at U,.. nothing public, nothing for the enduser (except ATIs video encoder and maybe a lame-port from nvidia). |
| 10:38.58 | whochismo | Hello everybody |
| 10:39.17 | whochismo | could anybody help me configuring exim4 in a debian box, to be able to send emails to a gmail address? |
| 10:39.19 | xingu | nvidia is certainly a lot closer to their customers from my vantage at least |
| 10:39.38 | Bushmills | why would people buy multi-core cpus for more cpu power, but ignore the same resources gain when offered by a video card? |
| 10:39.42 | whochismo | 've tried many things, and i stil can't receive anything |
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| 10:39.48 | pumpkin0 | Bushmills: AMD/ATI has a simple problem: they want to sell CPU and GPU. They cannot say: "move to the GPU". |
| 10:39.50 | xingu | Bushmills: latency |
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| 10:39.55 | wols | pumpkin0: not really true. can't have no cpu but can have a very shitty cheapo cpu. see game consoles |
| 10:40.07 | xingu | wols: and phone handsets |
| 10:40.31 | pumpkin0 | wols: most tasks just don't work on the GPU. If you have less then 200 threads GPU become slow. |
| 10:40.32 | Bushmills | xingu: valid point, though only for some problem domains |
| 10:40.52 | bitchxuser | Bushmills GPU is a hell of a lot harder to program and works on a more limited number of problems. multicore < Cell < GPU (I only do multicore stuff myself) |
| 10:41.07 | bitchxuser | Bushmills ... in the order of difficulty |
| 10:41.33 | xingu | Bushmills: you can approximate the tradeoff as being small data sets with complex transform, better on host; large dataset with simple transform, better on vector arch |
| 10:42.03 | xingu | Bushmills: setup/ teardown time for vector arch is eeexxxsssppeeennssiiivvveeee |
| 10:42.13 | Bushmills | bitchxuser: some coders will see general gpu coding as challenge, and do some groundworks towards more generic use only for sake of their own satisfaction. |
| 10:42.14 | xingu | checks duplex switch |
| 10:42.36 | pumpkin0 | xingu: there is also the memory-problem: GPU do not have cache for the normal global memory (only for texture = read-only. |
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| 10:42.58 | whochismo | which is the easier way of sending emails from a debian box? |
| 10:43.10 | whochismo | i cannot mak exim4 work... |
| 10:43.13 | xingu | pumpkin0: surely that'll come in time; you'll wind up with register aliasses if you don't already gottem today that'll give you small amounts of working store |
| 10:43.34 | wols | !tell whochismo about doesn't work |
| 10:43.44 | Bushmills | xingu: no chance, you reckon, to ever see, say, a distcc server component for specific GPUs? |
| 10:43.51 | xingu | pumpkin0: obviously designing Nx 100's-way ported memory is a nogo. :) |
| 10:43.54 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 I thought the new Nvidia cards had mutable memory (at least some of it) |
| 10:43.56 | pumpkin0 | xingu: there is a very fast 16KB buffer. But that is 16KB for 64-128 Threads. |
| 10:43.57 | whochismo | lol, ok |
| 10:44.20 | whochismo | I have no idea about how to configure it, and i followed several tutorials on internet, i and it still doesn't send mails |
| 10:44.46 | whochismo | at first, i received an email (in the local mail of the server) saying that i couldn't send mail to external adresses |
| 10:44.50 | xingu | Bushmills: doubt it; if it looks like a long-lived foo-to-bar converter, it's a candidate for offload; if it looks like a short-lived event trigger, it's not. |
| 10:44.51 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: even the first shader enabled cards had mutable memory. But it is slow. |
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| 10:44.57 | whochismo | i made a dpkg reconfigure exim4 |
| 10:45.17 | whochismo | and now i don't receive that message anymore, but i still don't receive anything anywhere |
| 10:46.02 | whochismo | and i would like to know if there's any other way to send an email to a gmail or hotmail address that's easier to configure |
| 10:46.02 | Sebboh | speaking of keys, ya know that debian-only-32k-keys issue? Does or did cygwin suffer from anything like that? |
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| 10:46.18 | xingu | pumpkin0: yeah; but I figure you'll wind up with per-stream-processor register file that's _deep_ enough to allow for higher orders of convolution |
| 10:46.25 | bitchxuser | Sebboh I don't think so |
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| 10:46.41 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: reading a float from global memory takes 600 cycles. reading it from reg/the 16Kb buffer takes 0.5 cycles. it is no problem your tasks fits into the buffer. |
| 10:46.44 | xingu | pumpkin0: but in general it'll be measured in bytes rather than kilobytes, don't get me wrong :) |
| 10:46.55 | pumpkin0 | xingu: *g* |
| 10:46.56 | lkni | can debian's stock syslog forward over tcp instead of udp? |
| 10:47.04 | wols | whochismo: what you just said was all useless for helping you. utterly useless |
| 10:47.14 | wols | whochismo: we don't know anything what we didn't before |
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| 10:47.35 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 600 is the access time? what if you read lots of floats (bandwidth) ? |
| 10:48.00 | xingu | pumpkin0: just too damn expensive to design the silicon for either massively multiported memory/ or deep per-SP local working store |
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| 10:48.07 | Sebboh | whochismo, you have a gmail account and you want to send mail from that account from your linux box? I used postfix for that. Stored my gmail account info in the sasl account list thing that postfix has.. and I have postfix listen on smtp on the LAN.. so any machine on the lan can send mail to the postfix machine and it will log onto gmail and send that mail on the machine's behalf.. |
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| 10:48.30 | whochismo | postfix |
| 10:48.31 | xingu | pumpkin0: the same space/ TDP budget could be burnt in building more stream processors, instead in other words |
| 10:48.42 | th1 | it didn't work ;) |
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| 10:48.49 | th1 | well it did but wasn't faster.. |
| 10:48.52 | whochismo | so i should have to uninstall exim4 and install postfix, right? |
| 10:48.52 | whochismo | no |
| 10:48.56 | whochismo | i just want to receive the RAID notificacions in my email |
| 10:49.04 | th1 | is there a way to bytecode compile a bash script or any other way of making it faster? |
| 10:49.06 | xingu | pumpkin0: I'd say you're more likely to see better lateral busses _between_ stream processors than see large per-thread caches |
| 10:49.10 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: you run thread-blocks (64-128-256 threads). every thread in the block does the same line of code at the same time. if they read a float, all read a (different) float. It takes 600 cycles to move that data to the GPU. |
| 10:49.12 | whochismo | i don't want to receive anyhthnig, or other people to use my machine to send email |
| 10:49.13 | wols | whochismo: no. you should finally describe your problem |
| 10:49.41 | pumpkin0 | xingu: agreed. |
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| 10:50.06 | xingu | pumpkin0: at least high speed serial busses and crossbars are a (relatively speaking) solved problem |
| 10:50.10 | Bushmills | whochismo: to send an email, to gmail, you don't really need either exim nor postfix. you can offload the sending task to a mail server of your provider, for example |
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| 10:50.33 | Bushmills | whochismo: but in terms of configuration i find postfix easier |
| 10:50.34 | whochismo | i created a RAID1 using two SATA disks. in the raid configuration (using mdadm) you can tell him to send you an email telling you if there's been a problem |
| 10:50.37 | xingu | pumpkin0: what I would love to see, would be an openssl plugin that offloaded aes to cuda :) |
| 10:50.41 | wols | Bushmills: you are not helping him you misunderstand his problem |
| 10:50.47 | Sebboh | whochismo, yeah, my requirements were different. I have an application that sends mail to users.. and it couldn't figure out how to communicate with gmail. That's why I set up the relay. As a side effect, it can also do what you're talking about. |
| 10:50.53 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i would love more speed between cards. With CUDA you have to switch off SLI. And coping data from one card to the other is so damm slow ... |
| 10:50.53 | Sebboh | bbl. |
| 10:51.29 | Bushmills | wols: yeas could be, i only read the last few lines as the problem description was laid out too vertically for easy reading |
| 10:51.32 | xingu | pumpkin0: your hardware pcie2.0 already? that will fix some of that, but it's still a huge step down from texture memory bus clock |
| 10:51.44 | pumpkin0 | xingu: AES should work if you encrypt a big block in one go... |
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| 10:52.05 | pumpkin0 | xingu: no, still "older" stuff. mostly 8800GT SLI. |
| 10:52.12 | xingu | pumpkin0: or if your internal bus is a few orders of magnitude wider/ faster than your network interface :) |
| 10:52.13 | wols | Bushmills: so far there is only a goal description. no problem description. he is apparently uncapable of that |
| 10:52.21 | whochismo | i just want that email to arrive to an external (gmail or hotmail) address |
| 10:52.21 | whochismo | so you recommend postfix instead of exim4? |
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| 10:52.35 | wols | whochismo: we recommend you descibing the problem you have. you still haven't |
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| 10:52.50 | xingu | pumpkin0: are you in a position to look at the newer g9x cores? reason I ask is that allegedly pcie2.0 latencies are low enough to be viable for that sort of thing |
| 10:52.59 | Bushmills | ah. that could also be the reason why i missed the problem descriptiion :) |
| 10:53.01 | wols | whochismo: so you want to send mail normally |
| 10:53.08 | N3bunel | is away: Daca Dragostea Dispare Merita Sa Mai Traim Oare ? =(( |
| 10:53.11 | xingu | pumpkin0: might be worth a quick two-card bench setup to test is all I'm getting at |
| 10:53.23 | wols | whochismo: unless you give us any error to wrok with we can't help you |
| 10:53.25 | whochismo | i don't know what else to describe... in the local mail (this one that you access typing the command "mail") i received messages saying that i couldn't send to external addresses |
| 10:53.44 | wols | whochismo: but WHY couldn't it send? also check your logs |
| 10:53.47 | Bushmills | anyway, it triggered the "get rid of what causes the problem" rather than "fix what causes it" impuls in me. |
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| 10:53.55 | whochismo | i made a dpkg reconfigure of exim4, i told him to use gmail.com... now i don't receive anything, neither an error message |
| 10:54.11 | wols | whochismo: you did. you just didn't look. see your logs |
| 10:54.16 | whochismo | and, as i don't know much about MTA |
| 10:54.34 | whochismo | i was asking you which would be the easier solution to my needs |
| 10:54.46 | wols | if an mta enouncters an error there are error messages and logs. |
| 10:54.48 | nomisery | had anyone else the problem that he could not change back from dual-head setup to single head-setup usin ati proprietary drivers and aticonfig tool? |
| 10:55.01 | Bushmills | whochismo: do you try to send mail through your mail server which is on a dynamic ip address? |
| 10:55.11 | wols | whochismo: ssmtp is the barest MTA which does what you need |
| 10:55.18 | whochismo | ok |
| 10:55.20 | whochismo | yes |
| 10:55.24 | whochismo | wait |
| 10:55.26 | whochismo | i found the log |
| 10:55.32 | whochismo | i didn't know it even existed... ok, wait |
| 10:55.34 | wols | !enter |
| 10:55.35 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 10:55.43 | Bushmills | was that "yes" the answer to "yes, from dynamic ip address"? |
| 10:55.51 | whochismo | (can I paste the error message here?) |
| 10:55.56 | wols | no |
| 10:55.59 | whochismo | yes, i use a dynamic ip address |
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| 10:56.19 | Bushmills | whochismo: be aware that many SMTP server will refuse mail from those addresses |
| 10:56.27 | bitchxuser | whochismo paste if it's short; also what are your gmail login and p/w ? |
| 10:56.32 | DawnLight | does d-i install security upgrades upon installation? |
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| 10:56.35 | pumpkin0 | xingu: i have lots of simulation runs to do. Each simulation take 12 hours on one card. Since i have > 10 000 sims to run (and only 50 cards so far) in just feed one sim into one card. It's not time critical anyway... But the next step is to make larger simulations and these need way more V-RAM. GPUs with > 1GB V-RAM are expensive... |
| 10:56.53 | whochismo | (12:56:27) bitchxuser: whochismo paste if it's short; also what are your gmail login and p/w ? -> sorry? |
| 10:57.25 | bitchxuser | whochismo j/k |
| 10:57.46 | whochismo | http://rafb.net/p/ry55NI11.html |
| 10:57.48 | wols | bitchxuser: if you do this again, we will call ops |
| 10:57.48 | xingu | pumpkin0: you miss-spelt "hot" :) |
| 10:57.49 | Bushmills | whochismo: i'd, in your place, do what wols said: use ssmtp, and offload mail to google, which resends it then for you. |
| 10:57.50 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 Molecular Dynamics ? |
| 10:57.56 | whochismo | this is the error message |
| 10:58.10 | whochismo | aha |
| 10:58.12 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: more or less yes. |
| 10:58.14 | whochismo | ok, i'll try it |
| 10:58.24 | xingu | pumpkin0: it's odd that none of the existing (software) arch's support checkpointing |
| 10:58.27 | wols | whochismo: the error message comes with a nice URL |
| 10:58.49 | xingu | pumpkin0: I'm surprised that you guys aren't bitching the house down about that yet; one card barf == massive cost to you |
| 10:58.53 | whochismo | i know |
| 10:58.55 | whochismo | i'm there |
| 10:59.11 | whochismo | well, thank you for your help, i'll try to continue by myself |
| 10:59.22 | whochismo | if i have more problems, maybe i'll come back later |
| 10:59.26 | whochismo | thank you! |
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| 11:00.33 | pumpkin0 | xingu: not really. We have 2 cards per box. So if one fails it is OK to shutdown that box for a swap. And the santy check did work ... so far. |
| 11:00.45 | pumpkin0 | xingu: anyway: next stop is tesla. |
| 11:01.16 | xingu | pumpkin0: oh sure, but doesn't the run in process on the failed card get ditched? |
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| 11:02.47 | pumpkin0 | xingu: sure. Saving the state every 5mins limits the loss. |
| 11:03.08 | xingu | aah, so you've implemented the checkpoint your side, nice. |
| 11:03.46 | pumpkin0 | xingu: we are a mad bunch, but we are not totally stupid... |
| 11:03.52 | xingu | laughs |
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| 11:04.23 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 wait-a-minute! you don't work for D.E.Shaw, do you? They do MD-more-or-less I think |
| 11:04.34 | xingu | pumpkin0: some dev environments make that hard to do; if everything beyond Fortran is hidden from you, then the underlying vector unit better bloody auto-checkpoint your run :) |
| 11:04.58 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: nope, i'm in germany. |
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| 11:05.44 | xingu | wanders off |
| 11:05.57 | pumpkin0 | xingu: with CUDA you are limited to 2mio instructions per call. So you have to split stuff anyway. And a copy to host is fast enough.. |
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| 11:07.04 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 I didn't get that earlier discussion of 1 card per box. I thought CUDA was OK with many cards ( 4 ? ) |
| 11:07.41 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: not really. You can have many cards per box, but you have to manage them one by one. |
| 11:07.54 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: SLI is possible but to slow. |
| 11:08.43 | bitchxuser | pumpkin0 they can work in parallel though, right? |
| 11:09.18 | wols | pumpkin0, bitchxuser: #debian-offtopic |
| 11:09.23 | pumpkin0 | bitchxuser: they all at the same time, but on different data/code. They do not see a common RAM. |
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| 11:10.26 | bitchxuser | wols well I'm done here anyway; pumpkin0: thanks for help and satisfaction of my idle curiosity |
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| 11:11.39 | henux | Is there a package for man pages for OpenGL functions? |
| 11:11.45 | whochismo | People |
| 11:11.52 | whochismo | i configured ssmtp without problems |
| 11:11.56 | wols | henux: mesa dev packages perhaps |
| 11:12.00 | whochismo | it now works flawlessly |
| 11:12.01 | whochismo | than you very much |
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| 11:12.06 | whochismo | ;) |
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| 11:12.30 | henux | wols: it does not contain man pages |
| 11:12.37 | DawnLight | how can i make aptitude automatically select dependencies when they're required from etch-backports |
| 11:12.40 | DawnLight | ? |
| 11:12.56 | liable | henux: so read the header files |
| 11:13.01 | henux | well im using ubuntu |
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| 11:15.05 | liable | whats that got to do with anything other than you are in the wrong channel? |
| 11:15.05 | pumpkin0 | henux: ask ubuntu why were are no man pages. |
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| 11:15.44 | henux | pumpkin0: im sure they have no idea |
| 11:16.00 | pumpkin0 | henux: we do not know what they did. |
| 11:16.01 | henux | pumpkin0: but it seems that there are downloadable man pages available from opengl.org |
| 11:16.04 | iateadonut | how does debian know what device is my cdrom? if i bought a new motherboard and rearranged my drives, i know to modify /etc/fstab for my disk drives, but how do i tell it where my dvd drive is now? |
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| 11:16.51 | pumpkin0 | iateadonut: the quick and dirty way? smartctl -a /dev/sd... It fails for optical devices... |
| 11:17.58 | wols | iateadonut: dmesg |grep CD |
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| 11:18.10 | Bushmills | iateadonut: udev can find that out from the device. look at /proc/ide/hda/media, or /proc/ide/hdc/media (assuming your cdrom is hdc) |
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| 11:18.50 | iateadonut | when i click on my icon that says cdrom - it says "mount: /dev/hdd already mounted or /media/cdrom0 busy" - but now /dev/hdd is a hard disk now, which is correct in my fstab. so, i just want that thing to know that it should be /dev/hdb |
| 11:19.45 | iateadonut | my motherboard failed, so i switched it out but of course don't want to reinstall. |
| 11:21.07 | Bushmills | iateadonut: does ls -l /dev/cdrom show anything? |
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| 11:21.49 | Bushmills | or better, ls -l /dev/cdrom* |
| 11:21.53 | iateadonut | shows this: /dev/cdrom1 -> hdb |
| 11:22.33 | iateadonut | but, if i try to add that device in k3b, it can't find it. |
| 11:22.36 | Bushmills | and cat /proc/ide/hdb/media ? |
| 11:22.55 | iateadonut | cdrom |
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| 11:23.57 | Bushmills | well, that part seems right. (side note: may not be the best idea to have cdrom - especially if it is a writer - on the same controller with your most used hard disk) |
| 11:24.35 | iateadonut | what's a controller? |
| 11:25.06 | Bushmills | ide controller. your mainboard has probably two. each one with a connector for ide devices |
| 11:25.24 | iateadonut | got it |
| 11:25.49 | Bushmills | ide is a bit .. stupid .. about mulitple devices on one ide controller |
| 11:25.53 | iateadonut | when i try to add it to k3b, k3b says if it can't find something, i should modify the permission, but it already has 777. |
| 11:26.17 | iateadonut | a /dev/cdrom1 already has 777. |
| 11:26.19 | iateadonut | so... |
| 11:27.37 | iateadonut | running k3b as root "fixes" the error though. |
| 11:27.47 | iateadonut | what permissions could they be? |
| 11:27.56 | iateadonut | are there other permissions besides 777? |
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| 11:29.07 | iateadonut | ah... /dev/hdb's permissions are 550. |
| 11:29.13 | iateadonut | should i change that? |
| 11:30.07 | iateadonut | or is that a bad idea? |
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| 11:33.25 | deathplanter | hi guys |
| 11:33.38 | deathplanter | i have an EXTREMELY weird bug in my debian lenny installation |
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| 11:34.07 | DawnLight | take a picture before it flies away! |
| 11:34.08 | Bushmills | iateadonut: you're sure about 550? not 660? |
| 11:34.25 | deathplanter | my system happens to disconnect me from all the internet few times a day |
| 11:34.39 | wols | deathplanter: wired or wlan? |
| 11:34.42 | deathplanter | wired |
| 11:34.54 | deathplanter | all the packets I send then get a response about an unreachable host |
| 11:34.56 | wols | deathplanter: disable gnome network manager |
| 11:34.57 | DawnLight | wols: am i still on your ignore? :( |
| 11:35.02 | iateadonut | no exec permissions. |
| 11:35.03 | deathplanter | sudo route del default gw 10.0.0.138 ; sudo route add default gw 10.0.0.138 |
| 11:35.04 | deathplanter | works |
| 11:35.08 | deathplanter | wols: how do i? |
| 11:35.10 | iateadonut | 660, sorry. |
| 11:35.10 | Bushmills | deathplanter: what is the reason that you're sure it is your system, and not the provider or your router? |
| 11:35.28 | deathplanter | Bushmills: I just changed no hardware and it used to work |
| 11:35.35 | deathplanter | and it still does, on windows. |
| 11:35.46 | Bushmills | iateadonut: what group is that device? |
| 11:35.49 | iateadonut | i added my user to the group cdrom as well, (the group |
| 11:35.50 | DawnLight | can anyone tell wols that /me is sorry and wants peace? |
| 11:35.54 | iateadonut | that didn't work. |
| 11:36.03 | DawnLight | please |
| 11:36.08 | deathplanter | wols: how do I disable gnome network manager? |
| 11:36.39 | Bushmills | iateadonut: have you logged out and in again after you have added yourself to cdrom group? |
| 11:36.43 | iateadonut | no. |
| 11:36.47 | iateadonut | i didn't know you had to do that. |
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| 11:36.55 | Bushmills | wols: (12:35:50) DawnLight: can anyone tell wols that /me is sorry and wants peace? |
| 11:37.09 | DawnLight | thanks Bushmills :) |
| 11:37.28 | iateadonut | i can just restart x without disturbing the other logins (on my f1, f2, etc), right? |
| 11:37.32 | iateadonut | those are all separate logins? |
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| 11:37.36 | xand | yes |
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| 11:38.05 | Bushmills | iateadonut: yes. but your X session still runs with your original group memberships |
| 11:38.12 | deathplanter | wols: how do I disable gnome network manager? |
| 11:38.45 | wols | uninstall it |
| 11:39.16 | deathplanter | mkay... |
| 11:39.30 | deathplanter | was there such a bug reported or am I an experiment rabbit? ;p |
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| 11:43.58 | wols | chances are network manager requested a new dhcp lease but fudged up the routing |
| 11:44.11 | Bushmills | rmoving things which one doesn't want to use is not "experimental" but known to work |
| 11:45.09 | deathplanter | i'm personally thinking of stripping it to the minimum |
| 11:45.12 | deathplanter | ;'P |
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| 11:53.41 | mardi | what's up with xulrunner and liferea? |
| 11:54.07 | asg | !bts |
| 11:54.07 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
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| 11:54.52 | mardi | ok, i lookie |
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| 11:58.56 | pozic | When xterm is outputting information rapidly, it flickers. Is there a kind of double buffering option in xterm for that? |
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| 12:00.19 | valdyn | pozic: i dont see it flicker by default |
| 12:00.42 | pozic | valdyn: try strace iceweasel |
| 12:01.07 | valdyn | pozic: find / works too |
| 12:01.15 | valdyn | pozic: likely faster anyway |
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| 12:02.08 | valdyn | pozic: guess i can see what you might be calling flickering |
| 12:02.16 | pozic | valdyn: I did set an xresource. |
| 12:03.53 | valdyn | pozic: modern terminal emulators seem to do the display job much better than xterm |
| 12:05.07 | DawnLight | yo |
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| 12:05.22 | DawnLight | it is amazing how many bugs there are |
| 12:05.40 | DawnLight | it is amazing how many i can find that aren't reported |
| 12:05.53 | DawnLight | so i'm reporting them! hehe! |
| 12:06.30 | valdyn | pozic: http://mces.blogspot.com/2005/10/gnome-terminal-performance.html |
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| 12:07.03 | valdyn | pozic: i dont know if theres settings to change that general tendency, but if there are not, xterm just looses badly |
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| 12:07.22 | sylvain | What is the best dpi to use for X? 96dpi or 100dpi? |
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| 12:07.32 | valdyn | sylvain: neither, your real dpi |
| 12:07.36 | pozic | valdyn: gnome-terminal was my previous terminal and I was considering switching to xterm, because it seemed to be faster and I even got decent fonts configured. The only issue is the flickering. I will read the URL. |
| 12:07.38 | wols | depends on your monitor only |
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| 12:08.06 | sylvain | valdyn: my real dpi make my font too big |
| 12:08.10 | valdyn | sylvain: no |
| 12:08.12 | sylvain | it's 121x120 |
| 12:08.24 | valdyn | sylvain: you set your monitor to your real dpi and set fonts to the size you like |
| 12:08.38 | valdyn | sylvain: adjusting font size by changing dpi is fucked up |
| 12:08.53 | sylvain | valdyn: so I should set Xft.dpi in Xressources? |
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| 12:12.23 | sylvain | valdyn: so I should set Xft.dpi: 96.0 in Xressources and start X without -dpi option? |
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| 12:13.07 | DawnLight | where can i find the testing businesscard? |
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| 12:13.45 | valdyn | sylvain: who uses xresources still? |
| 12:14.28 | DawnLight | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ has it |
| 12:14.46 | sylvain | valdyn: I just read http://scanline.ca/dpi/ |
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| 12:15.01 | sylvain | valdyn: so what do you suggest? keep the big fonts? |
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| 12:15.43 | karmatronic | hi |
| 12:16.07 | DawnLight | hi karmatronic |
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| 12:20.57 | Spaceghost | Hi |
| 12:21.12 | Spaceghost | someone meet a program to desfrag ntfs partitions? |
| 12:21.13 | Spaceghost | :/ |
| 12:21.24 | Lagbolt | meet a program eh |
| 12:21.29 | Spaceghost | sorry |
| 12:21.33 | Spaceghost | my english is bad |
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| 12:21.41 | Lagbolt | ah, i think ntfsprogs? |
| 12:21.54 | Spaceghost | uhmm |
| 12:22.14 | Spaceghost | what program can desfrag ntfs partitions? |
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| 12:23.13 | Lagbolt | Spaceghost, looks like not much out there check this http://www.linux-ntfs.org/doku.php?id=ntfsdefrag |
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| 12:25.19 | Spaceghost | don't have a packet for debian that program? Lagbolt |
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| 12:26.12 | Lagbolt | Spaceghost, i dont know for sure. looking on google it looks like linux doesnt not have one. that site i just posted talks about ntfsdefrag and ntfsprogs but i dont know where it stands |
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| 12:27.08 | wols | !defrag |
| 12:27.09 | dpkg | it has been said that defrag is generally not needed in linux. or http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html or a respawn in a multiplayer game |
| 12:27.21 | wols | Lagbolt: it does. but not needed |
| 12:27.30 | Spaceghost | dpkg, but I have windows in another partitions |
| 12:27.31 | dpkg | Spaceghost: i don't know |
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| 12:27.41 | Spaceghost | and I prefer to desfrag from linux |
| 12:27.48 | wols | Spaceghost: debian doesn't care about windows partitions. |
| 12:27.55 | Spaceghost | what? |
| 12:28.03 | wols | Spaceghost: don't. if you want to defrag NTFS do it under windows |
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| 12:28.37 | wols | linux itself doesn't need to be defragged and your windows partitions you better defrag under windows |
| 12:28.40 | Spaceghost | wols, windows not startup, only in safe mode and I need desfrag to fixe |
| 12:28.53 | knoxyy | hi.. I've one box pentium4 with debian amd64.. How can I do to upgrade it to debian x86 ? |
| 12:29.00 | wols | Spaceghost: that's balderdash |
| 12:29.11 | Lagbolt | Spaceghost, run scandisk or defrag after booting in safemode then |
| 12:29.15 | wols | a fragmented driver doesn't cause windosw not to start up |
| 12:29.23 | wols | *drive |
| 12:29.29 | wols | Spaceghost: ##windows for windows help |
| 12:29.36 | Lagbolt | Spaceghost, or use ntfsfix in linux . .. but yeah that doesnt sound like a frag issue |
| 12:29.37 | wols | knoxyy: you can't. reinstall |
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| 12:29.56 | knoxyy | wols thanks. |
| 12:30.04 | Spaceghost | wols, I dont know, I have a similar problem and desfrag fixe it |
| 12:30.31 | wols | Spaceghost: we don't care. we don't do windows problems. and chances are if you try to "fix" it from linux it will do more bad than good |
| 12:32.14 | Lagbolt | am i just really tired or did wols say "balderdash" lol |
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| 12:32.56 | abrotman | AOL must have translated it that way for you |
| 12:32.59 | liable | he did, i think that term was in vogue in the 70's |
| 12:33.35 | wols | it's better than me calling him stupid, right? |
| 12:33.45 | Lagbolt | wasnt that the game that cliff clavin was the spokesman for? where you had to make up definitions? |
| 12:33.53 | wols | and no I did not need a translation |
| 12:34.01 | Lagbolt | wols, i am down with it. just havent seen that word used in forever :) |
| 12:34.13 | HardDisk_WP | where do I get php5 debian packages with DIO enabled? |
| 12:34.14 | Lagbolt | been a long long night and it def make me chuckle |
| 12:34.24 | wols | HardDisk_WP: from apt-get source I'd say |
| 12:34.51 | nouga | Hi ! howto make dpkg-reconfigure ask questions about the video ? I tried phigh and pmedium but only questions about kbd. |
| 12:35.00 | Bushmills | knows a reliable way to "fix" any ntfs problem ... |
| 12:35.01 | HardDisk_WP | wols, any way without recompiling? the nslu2 is slow |
| 12:35.18 | HardDisk_WP | Bushmills, mkfs.ext3?^^ |
| 12:35.25 | wols | HardDisk_WP: crosscompilers ftw |
| 12:35.29 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: along that line, yes |
| 12:35.40 | wols | nouga: lenny? |
| 12:35.42 | Bushmills | though it could be mkfs.jfs |
| 12:35.51 | HardDisk_WP | wols, they suck, I never managed to setup a cc environment |
| 12:35.55 | docmax | hi, how can i define multiple patterns for grep? |
| 12:36.02 | docmax | grep pattern1 pattern2 ? |
| 12:36.06 | nouga | wols: yes ! new machine x86_64 |
| 12:36.09 | HardDisk_WP | tried tons of ways, but either came out corrupt bins or nothing at all |
| 12:36.14 | wols | nouga: you can't |
| 12:36.24 | abrotman | it's broken in lenny still ? |
| 12:36.29 | nouga | wols: Glub ! |
| 12:36.31 | Lagbolt | docmax, could pipe . . . "grep foo something | grep foo2" |
| 12:36.32 | wols | frir yes |
| 12:36.45 | wols | abrotman: not "broken". it was a deliberate decision. just a shitty decision |
| 12:36.59 | abrotman | oh .. but it does write a usable conf file now ? |
| 12:37.33 | nouga | wols: got only 800x600 |
| 12:37.35 | Lagbolt | docmax, or are you looking to match either or? or both? or what |
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| 12:38.06 | Bushmills | HardDisk_WP: next larger partiiton wil proabably be neither ext2/3 nor jfs but nilfs2. i'm running that on a relatively small partition only atm, and behaved well. so i might escalate that a bit. |
| 12:38.36 | cusco | Lagbolt: I was curious.. how to match both or either |
| 12:38.49 | abrotman | huh? |
| 12:38.56 | abrotman | oh |
| 12:38.58 | wols | nouga: -plow is usually the parameter to get all questions btw |
| 12:38.58 | wols | abrotman: afaik it uses the same autosense nonsense still |
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| 12:39.29 | abrotman | i'm okay with that .. as long as it generates a usable config .. unlike a couple of months ago where it would leave you with like a 10 line conf |
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| 12:39.48 | Lagbolt | cusco, lol to match both just use a pipe into a second grep statement. . . to match either not sure, i would prob write a bash or perl script that does grep and if doesnt find first it does grep again with second expr |
| 12:40.07 | iateadonut | thanks, guys. |
| 12:40.20 | iateadonut | i rebooted though, and had done a dist-update recently. |
| 12:40.47 | iateadonut | and my grub menu.lst set the root filesystem as one that didn't exist. |
| 12:40.49 | Lagbolt | cusco, grep "cat\|dog" file matches lines containing the word "cat" or the word "dog" <---- http://savenseek.com/page/Using_Grep_to_match_either_of_two_strings__ssp1729 |
| 12:41.05 | cusco | thats it |
| 12:41.07 | cusco | cheers |
| 12:41.13 | Lagbolt | google knows all :) |
| 12:41.25 | iateadonut | i'm wondering if this is a bug or what. it's because i changed the motherboard and where the drives sit on the connectors, but i had already changed the /boot/grub/menu.lst file once. |
| 12:41.32 | abrotman | too bad docmax doesn't know about google |
| 12:41.34 | iateadonut | but when i did a dist-upgrade, it switched to something else. |
| 12:41.52 | wols | abrotman: too bad he knows about #d |
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| 12:42.10 | Lagbolt | funny how people know about IRC but not google |
| 12:42.18 | wols | abrotman: the autosense nonsense is the non usable config... |
| 12:42.18 | abrotman | iateadonut: it upgraded to grub2 ? |
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| 12:42.37 | cusco | Lagbolt: what is google? |
| 12:42.44 | abrotman | wols: no .. this was when it would barf because the Emulate3 was missing .. and they'd really only get like 10 lines .. |
| 12:42.45 | wols | abrotman: grub2 is "default" in some debian branch now? |
| 12:42.45 | DawnLight | hi abrotman |
| 12:42.48 | wols | runs for the hills |
| 12:42.53 | Bushmills | Lagbolt: that's because google doesn't do semantic search yet but IRC does |
| 12:42.55 | iateadonut | no. |
| 12:42.58 | abrotman | wols: i was just asking ... |
| 12:43.05 | abrotman | i doubt grub2 is the default .. |
| 12:43.20 | wols | abrotman: if one runs upgrade and it installs... |
| 12:43.30 | Lagbolt | hmmm if you google google it doesnt tell you what it is |
| 12:43.38 | iateadonut | but i'm wondering when debian generates a new menu.lst file, where's it get the info of the root directory. |
| 12:43.57 | nouga | wols: plow is the same, no way to configure my old ati 86c325. xorg log shows it is detected |
| 12:43.57 | HardDisk_WP | if my target is ARMv5tel, do |
| 12:44.04 | HardDisk_WP | what kernel arch is it? |
| 12:44.06 | HardDisk_WP | big endian |
| 12:44.09 | iateadonut | you liar: Enables users to search the Web, Usenet, and images. Features include PageRank, caching and translation of results, and an option to find similar pages. |
| 12:44.09 | HardDisk_WP | or little endian |
| 12:44.24 | abrotman | huh?? |
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| 12:44.33 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 12:45.13 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: read the install guide .. it shouold tell you which to use |
| 12:45.54 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, this time it's not about cross-compile but native compile |
| 12:46.15 | iateadonut | but, when you google google, you find out the google beijing is hiring linux experts. |
| 12:46.16 | abrotman | and? |
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| 12:47.30 | Bushmills | and you can also find out that "About Google" is "Hoch Google De'" in Klingon |
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| 12:48.13 | Bushmills | yes, "google, Daqmey patDaq nagh beQ nejwI'vam HoS law' Hoch HoS puS" :D |
| 12:48.32 | nouga | is there an alternative to dpkg-reconfigure to have a interactive controll on video card ? |
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| 12:48.59 | Bushmills | nouga: if you call an editor "interactive", yes |
| 12:49.00 | nouga | lenny on i86_64 |
| 12:49.33 | Bushmills | it is. you push a button, and its responding to the button |
| 12:49.58 | nouga | I switch between X and console |
| 12:50.31 | abrotman | nouga: did you try xrandr to change resolution? which card and which driver? |
| 12:50.35 | iateadonut | thanks. no one interested in the auto-generated menu.lst file having the wrong root dir? |
| 12:50.43 | abrotman | !bts |
| 12:50.43 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 12:50.57 | nouga | abrotman: ati 86c325 |
| 12:51.38 | abrotman | i have no idea what an 86adfasdfasefasefa987 |
| 12:51.39 | abrotman | is |
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| 12:51.51 | abrotman | are you at least using the ati driver? |
| 12:51.57 | wols | nouga: that chip doesn't exist |
| 12:52.02 | abrotman | is it maybe a mach64 card? |
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| 12:52.12 | wols | nouga: check lspci |
| 12:52.32 | wols | nouga: that is not an ati. it's a S3 Virge |
| 12:52.35 | nouga | wols: Thats the I know my card ! |
| 12:52.39 | Bushmills | isn't that an S3 card? |
| 12:52.48 | abrotman | nouga: lspci | grep VGA |
| 12:52.51 | wols | nouga: you have no clue about your card |
| 12:52.52 | nouga | Yes it is |
| 12:53.05 | wols | nouga: it's not an ati. never was |
| 12:53.08 | iateadonut | thanks, again. |
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| 12:53.27 | wols | nouga: do what abrotman said |
| 12:53.41 | nouga | wols: sorry your wright |
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| 12:53.46 | nouga | wols: sorry your right |
| 12:53.56 | abrotman | you're right |
| 12:53.57 | Bushmills | The s3virge driver supports PCI and AGP video cards based on the ViRGE GX 86C385 |
| 12:54.09 | Bushmills | ehm... 86C325 |
| 12:55.25 | nouga | Bushmills: wich is the correct module ? |
| 12:55.32 | DawnLight | i read somewhere that it is possible to add multiple cdroms to the mirrors during d-i. is this true? how is this done? i'm not finding it in the installation manual |
| 12:55.39 | Bushmills | just make sure that you have an Intel Athlon in your system |
| 12:55.49 | DawnLight | i've heard it's only in testing |
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| 12:56.42 | abrotman | DawnLight: you can (or used to be able to) .. just tell it you're using CDs .. and it will keep asking if you have more .. or it used to .. or use apt-cdrom after the installation |
| 12:57.05 | Bushmills | nouga: apt-cache search s3virge |
| 12:57.06 | nouga | woll |
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| 12:57.29 | nouga | wols: S3 Inc. 86c325 [ViRGE] |
| 12:57.38 | DawnLight | abrotman: i'm going to meet a person who sells computers today |
| 12:57.48 | abrotman | DawnLight: going to BestBuy ? |
| 12:58.03 | nouga | It's an old one, my nvidia just fall down |
| 12:58.04 | asg | hah |
| 12:58.05 | abrotman | DawnLight: does he also sell vacuums ? |
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| 12:58.12 | DawnLight | abrotman: a young man who has a web shop for computer hardware |
| 12:58.14 | defrysk | only today ? |
| 12:58.22 | defrysk | what does he sell tomorrow ? |
| 12:58.55 | Bushmills | good items for selling may be holes |
| 12:59.10 | Bushmills | you need an huge amount of holes for fishing nets |
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| 12:59.18 | nouga | Bushmills: ii xserver-xorg-v 1:1.10.1-1 |
| 12:59.18 | abrotman | DawnLight: what's the hardware for? |
| 12:59.51 | defrysk | wonders how many holes it takes to fill the Albert Hall |
| 13:00.12 | nouga | Bushmills: S3 ViRGE display driver was installed |
| 13:00.23 | DawnLight | abrotman: i'm not buying, i'm talking with him about selling with debian preinstalled |
| 13:00.35 | abrotman | ah .. gotcha |
| 13:00.36 | asg | defrysk: just one big one |
| 13:00.37 | Bushmills | but hole production technology is not that advanced. i hear, industrially they are produced by unwrapping stovepipes |
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| 13:01.06 | abrotman | DawnLight: http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed |
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| 13:02.42 | nouga | what is the module for S3 Virge ? |
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| 13:04.28 | DawnLight | abrotman: interesting. thanks |
| 13:05.13 | netsrot | how do I remove old nic bonding and go back to default network settings? |
| 13:05.27 | nouga | well : man man ;o) bye ! |
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| 13:09.29 | abrotman | netsrot: bonding? |
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| 13:09.52 | bawz | hi |
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| 13:12.36 | wols | netsrot: how did you bond? |
| 13:13.30 | Sebby | how do i restart a service because i fogoted |
| 13:13.43 | Sebby | service postgresql-8.1 restart or how ? |
| 13:16.11 | acemi | /etc/init.d/service_name restart |
| 13:16.13 | netsrot | wols: I used dhcp and created /etc/modprobe.d/bonding and edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 13:18.12 | netsrot | wols: I did also aptget ifenslave, do you want a link to the guide I followed? |
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| 13:19.05 | wols | unedit /etc/network/interfaces then |
| 13:19.17 | wols | and don't load any bonding modules |
| 13:19.29 | wols | Sebby: /etc/init.d/<stuff> |
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| 13:20.19 | th0f | hello |
| 13:21.22 | DawnLight | can anyone think of a good way to workaround #490650? |
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| 13:22.34 | netsrot | wols: I followed http://wiki.bolay.net/doku.php?id=operating_systems:linux:debian:bonding_on_debian and I did try restoring all files I edited and then do a rmmod bonding and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 13:22.47 | abrotman | !dbugs 490650 |
| 13:22.50 | dpkg | #490650:N[aptitude] aptitude: etch-backports/+M, dependency, something not quite right; Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:36:02 UTC |
| 13:23.01 | abrotman | not useful |
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| 13:23.26 | netsrot | wols: it complains about Ignoring unknown interface eth0=eth0. |
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| 13:23.47 | BassFool | hello all whats the best method to get out of a depdency trap. I have one with a gthumb tool |
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| 13:24.24 | DawnLight | abrotman: even if it was, you'd have to read it to get it |
| 13:24.33 | valdyn | BassFool: we dont know what your problem is. |
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| 13:25.07 | defrysk | BassFool, if you use sid patience is the best method |
| 13:25.26 | BassFool | defrysk I am setup to use testing now... |
| 13:25.44 | BassFool | defrysk what do you mean by patience |
| 13:26.16 | defrysk | BassFool, then this audience needs a more detailed explanation |
| 13:26.40 | BassFool | ok, when I do an apt-get remove gthumb I get symbol lookup errors and it fails |
| 13:26.58 | defrysk | BassFool, try apt-get -f install |
| 13:27.23 | BassFool | when I try to just re-install with apt-get -f install it has dependancies, when I go down the list and start installing those I also get symbol errors |
| 13:28.01 | BassFool | apt-get -f install trys to remove gthumb also |
| 13:28.04 | wols | netsrot: pastebin the interfaces file |
| 13:28.17 | nottha_k | i tried to use apt-get source and debuild to download, patch, and install vim. but that didn't work. whats the "right" way to do this? http://pastebin.com/m8bca4c6 |
| 13:28.30 | th0ger | Hi! My iceweasel 3.0~rc2-2 makes some webpage-backgrounds look wery weird. See fx http://imagebin.ca/view/QlF8IZ.html |
| 13:29.04 | nottha_k | it flipped out because I changed the upstream.bz2. i'm trying to patch it for vimshell support |
| 13:29.30 | BassFool | defrysk: any ideas how I go about solving this? |
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| 13:30.02 | defrysk | BassFool, not really with this info |
| 13:30.16 | BassFool | defrysk: so what else do you need? |
| 13:30.31 | defrysk | did you mix repos ? |
| 13:30.51 | BassFool | defrysk:between etch and testing I think I may have... |
| 13:31.25 | defrysk | mixing repos is not a good thing |
| 13:31.31 | DawnLight | !bad |
| 13:31.31 | dpkg | bad is probably Bay Area Debian, or what I am, and you know it! |
| 13:31.53 | BassFool | defrysk: apparently so. Good Lesson for me. Now I need to fix it as my install is hosed... |
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| 13:32.08 | mammoth | anyone tell my when |
| 13:32.27 | defrysk | BassFool, indeed you do |
| 13:32.41 | Bushmills | !8ball now or never? |
| 13:32.41 | dpkg | Sure. Yeah, exactly. |
| 13:32.41 | netsrot | wols: I think I found the problem when I looked at it, thanks. |
| 13:32.59 | mammoth | anyone tell my when "lenny" release? |
| 13:33.05 | defrysk | BassFool, try aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 13:33.06 | abrotman | !tell mammoth about wwlr |
| 13:33.20 | BassFool | defrysk: ok trying aptitude to remove gthumb? |
| 13:33.21 | Bushmills | mammoth: people are confident that it will be not later than 2011 |
| 13:33.22 | abrotman | th0ger: is that fluxbox.org ? |
| 13:33.28 | defrysk | yes |
| 13:33.51 | th0ger | abrotman: yes |
| 13:34.05 | th0ger | abrotman: a lot of other pages has this same error |
| 13:34.16 | abrotman | th0ger: is it a sub page? i'm not seeing it on the front page |
| 13:34.41 | abrotman | !info iceweasel lenny |
| 13:34.59 | th0ger | step21: abrotman it is a screenshot on how the fluxbox frontpage is rendered |
| 13:35.33 | dpkg | iceweasel: (lightweight web browser based on Mozilla), section web, is optional. Version: 3.0~rc2-2 (lenny), Packaged size: 1087 kB, Installed size: 3652 kB |
| 13:35.38 | abrotman | nope .. looks perfectly normal here on lenny |
| 13:35.47 | abrotman | ii iceweasel 3.0~rc2-2 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
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| 13:36.58 | th0ger | abrotman: I am running testing, but iceweasel was installed from unstable. Is it related to that? |
| 13:37.30 | abrotman | th0ger: depends on the version perhaps .. see if anyone here has sid and is using iceweasel |
| 13:37.33 | defrysk | th0ger, could be the reason indeed |
| 13:37.35 | abrotman | mine works perfectly fine |
| 13:37.45 | BassFool | defrysk: is aptitude smarter than apt-get? |
| 13:37.55 | defrysk | BassFool, in some areas yes |
| 13:37.56 | th0ger | BassFool: i think so... |
| 13:38.15 | BassFool | defrysk: its running now. I hope it fixes things... |
| 13:38.20 | abrotman | BassFool: in almost every way .. yes |
| 13:38.40 | BassFool | abrotman: ok lesson two, stop using apt-get..and use aptitude |
| 13:38.43 | defrysk | BassFool, good luck and mix repos with care next time |
| 13:38.53 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 13:38.53 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 13:47.02 | netsrot | wols: I did comment something out and forgot to remove it sorry O_o |
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| 13:48.19 | [diablo] | good afternoon #debian ... guys, I've got a KVM guest running a basic SID .... I'd like to add gnome desktop, gdm blah blah.. is there a specific package I can install to handle complete installation of desktop enviroment please (gnome) |
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| 13:48.39 | abrotman | aptitude install xorg gnome gdm |
| 13:48.54 | Lagbolt | or install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 13:48.58 | [diablo] | ah ok |
| 13:49.04 | [diablo] | Lagbolt, sounds good |
| 13:49.06 | Lagbolt | does that bring in X as well? |
| 13:49.06 | [diablo] | :) |
| 13:49.07 | [diablo] | cheers |
| 13:49.08 | setog3 | hi, just a noob question, doest it exist a kernel image for debian, with the different kernel option for laptop ( like hpets NO_HZ, CONFIG_USB_SUSPEND,..) |
| 13:49.16 | abrotman | Lagbolt: no .. which is why i said what i said |
| 13:49.33 | abrotman | Lagbolt: yours brings in less of gnome than 'gnome' |
| 13:50.15 | Julouste | I am doing a debian install with tasksel (desktop, laptop, base system) and updates/upgrades. Will it be more than 4G (the max size I have) |
| 13:50.33 | valdyn | Julouste: problably, probably not |
| 13:50.42 | abrotman | Julouste: i doubt it .. it will tell you when it installs it |
| 13:50.44 | Lagbolt | abrotman, really? apt-cache depends show what it brings right? looks like gnome is less |
| 13:50.50 | abrotman | oh wait .. not in tasksel |
| 13:50.59 | abrotman | Lagbolt: how are you defining "less" |
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| 13:51.37 | abrotman | Lagbolt: maybe you should actually learn to *read* .. 'gnome' depends on 'gnome-desktop-environment' |
| 13:51.48 | valdyn | setog3: all lenny / sid kernels have NO_HZ on on platforms where its supported |
| 13:52.05 | Lagbolt | abrotman, good question :) it does? i thought it was other way around. i think i just scrolled too far in my term |
| 13:52.11 | abrotman | *read* |
| 13:53.03 | setog3 | valdyn: ok thanks, and for the others ? I need to recompile one ? |
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| 13:53.05 | Lagbolt | :) i am and i see. my bad. |
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| 13:53.30 | Lagbolt | been up for 22 hours now . .. not at 100% :( |
| 13:53.34 | valdyn | setog3: same i think |
| 13:54.13 | abrotman | Lagbolt: then go to bed |
| 13:54.28 | defrysk | or get some amphetamines |
| 13:54.43 | Lagbolt | abrotman, cant, taking data and i have to sit with it until it is finished :( |
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| 13:54.47 | BassFool | defrysk: so far so good. pre-conf stage at this point |
| 13:55.11 | defrysk | is away for a bit |
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| 13:57.29 | Lagbolt | defrysk, does caffine pills count :( |
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| 13:59.45 | DawnLight | how do i specify alternatives in a regexp? |
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| 14:00.04 | BassFool | ahh aptitude still has a problem removing gthumb |
| 14:00.33 | abrotman | BassFool: paste the error |
| 14:00.53 | BassFool | Removing gthumb ... |
| 14:00.54 | BassFool | gconftool-2: symbol lookup error: gconftool-2: undefined symbol: g_option_context_set_translation_domain |
| 14:00.54 | BassFool | dpkg: error processing gthumb (--purge): |
| 14:00.54 | BassFool | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:00.55 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 14:01.11 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 14:01.11 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 14:01.15 | abrotman | the whole error |
| 14:01.20 | BassFool | oops my bad.. |
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| 14:02.44 | BassFool | http://pastebin.com/m1616b2f6 |
| 14:03.54 | BassFool | abrotman: you get that? |
| 14:04.07 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:04.07 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 14:04.17 | abrotman | i bet there's a bugs.debian.org/gthumb page |
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| 14:04.49 | abrotman | the mktemp think is probably unrelated |
| 14:05.41 | BassFool | abrotman: yes there is a page but I see nothing about install or purge, only on how it works |
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| 14:06.23 | nouga | well I have modified xorg.conf and put Driver "s3virge" but I still can't gt out of 800x600 |
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| 14:07.10 | abrotman | nouga: tried a lower BPP ? |
| 14:07.19 | nouga | lsmod don't see these module |
| 14:08.10 | nouga | abrotman: How can I change it, dpkg-reconfigure don't ask low medium or high priority |
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| 14:08.44 | nouga | abrotman: sure I should but where and how ? |
| 14:08.58 | zx313 | nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 14:09.03 | abrotman | what's listed in your xorg.conf ? |
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| 14:09.37 | nouga | abrotman: Driver "s3virge |
| 14:09.53 | BassFool | abrotman: whats wierd is gthumb is a gnome thing, I use kde.. |
| 14:10.02 | abrotman | it's not just for gnome |
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| 14:10.14 | BassFool | abrotman:hmm ok.. |
| 14:10.23 | abrotman | i don't think anyways .. |
| 14:10.31 | BassFool | abrotman:frig, can I just delete a directory and re-install |
| 14:10.39 | abrotman | BassFool: dpkg -l gthumb | tail -1 .. show me |
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| 14:11.07 | Bushmills | hehe, http://forthfreak.net/snap/1215957918296210390.png (from a disc world movie, showing hex, the ant computer. notice the similarity sounding "anthill" and "intel") |
| 14:11.22 | nouga | abrotman: man xorg.conf says : Allowed values for bpp are 24 and 32. Not lower |
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| 14:11.52 | BassFool | pF gthumb 3:2.10.5-2 |
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| 14:12.17 | abrotman | nouga: try setting it to 16 ? |
| 14:13.32 | valdyn | nouga: why are you messing with the "Pixmap" option? |
| 14:13.35 | nouga | abrotman: I try DefaultDepth=16 in section "Device" ? |
| 14:14.12 | abrotman | BassFool: if you just want it gone (there maybe gconf2-ish repercussions) you can put an "exit 0" at the top of the prerm script |
| 14:14.18 | abrotman | nouga: something like that |
| 14:14.31 | nouga | abrotman: hu ! |
| 14:14.45 | abrotman | hu? |
| 14:14.51 | Bushmills | nouga: with enough mem, leave it on 32 .. some older cards are particularly slow with 3 bytes instead of 4 bytes per pixel |
| 14:15.00 | BassFool | abrotman: well I need it out of the way so I can fix other stuff, update etc... |
| 14:15.09 | abrotman | Bushmills: it's an s3virge |
| 14:15.16 | Bushmills | i know |
| 14:15.16 | abrotman | BassFool: hey .. go for it |
| 14:15.33 | BassFool | abrotman: sorry not familiar with the script your referring too |
| 14:16.26 | abrotman | BassFool: /var/lib/dpkg/info/gthumb.prerm |
| 14:16.30 | freschum | Hi, I'm trying to create a small debian home server. And I want to trim it down as much as possible, only keeping what I really need. I googled for a while for some howtos, looked through the debian reference, also checked if there are any packages related to that. Is there some definite guide somewhere? |
| 14:17.47 | Bushmills | freespace: install minimal image, and only add what you really need. and add localepurge |
| 14:17.53 | BassFool | abrotman: hmm very small script just has an if statement to check for a remove or upgrade then execute gconf-schemas |
| 14:18.13 | abrotman | right |
| 14:18.29 | BassFool | abrotman: so what do I need to do? |
| 14:18.42 | abrotman | put an "exit 0" at the top after the shebang |
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| 14:18.57 | BassFool | abrotman: oh skip the scrip then... |
| 14:19.03 | abrotman | basically |
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| 14:19.08 | spoown | Hello all !! |
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| 14:19.47 | BassFool | abrotman: ok commented all the lines |
| 14:19.59 | abrotman | why? |
| 14:20.05 | abrotman | i told you to just put an exit 0 at the top |
| 14:20.16 | abrotman | meh .. whatever |
| 14:20.17 | BassFool | abrotman: same thing correct? |
| 14:20.45 | spoown | Is there any special settings to enable X11 forwarding ? I set export DISPLAY, ssh got X11Forwarding, and on local host I enable xhost + , I don't understand, can someone help me ? |
| 14:20.54 | BassFool | abrotman: ok went back and put the exit 0 |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 14:20.55 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 14:21.20 | Bushmills | spoown: try to ssh -Y to server with the X clients |
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| 14:22.20 | BassFool | I think ssh -X auto forwards X11 apps across ssh |
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| 14:23.44 | spoown | !sshx |
| 14:23.45 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 14:24.47 | dFence | hey guys, seems like i have a small problem with gettext.... xgettext delivered a proper file, all the necessary strings have been translated but when i run msgfmt over the file it won't generate a .mo file with the added translations... am i missing something?! |
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| 14:26.02 | pheeror | hi, is it possible to install have apache with AssignUserID functionality in debian? |
| 14:26.29 | spoown | I already set this -X or -Y , and installed the necessary package , I don't known where is the catch to enable this X11 forwading |
| 14:26.32 | pheeror | aptitude install apache2-mpm-itk wants to remove apache2 and the short description of apache2-mpm-perchild is Transitional package - please remove |
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| 14:34.58 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 14:35.07 | HardDisk_WP | i have a prolific usb to serial adapter |
| 14:35.12 | HardDisk_WP | how do i set its baud rate? |
| 14:35.17 | HardDisk_WP | setserial ain't able to |
| 14:35.21 | HardDisk_WP | but getty for example can |
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| 14:36.00 | BassFool | abrotman: why am I getting symbol look up errors. I got thos on the gthumb now Ai amgetting those on other things |
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| 14:37.13 | abrotman | BassFool: on the tex live stuff? |
| 14:37.19 | abrotman | BassFool: are you mixing versions of debian ? |
| 14:37.38 | BassFool | abrotman: not intentionally |
| 14:37.51 | BassFool | abrotman: now i am getting the lookup errors on gconftool-2 |
| 14:38.00 | abrotman | not intentionally ? |
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| 14:38.36 | BassFool | mean, if I did, I didn't know what I was doing as you can see |
| 14:39.28 | BassFool | abrotman: this machine has been broken for a bit. say if I did mix. without rebooting |
| 14:39.34 | nouga | OK it works with DefaultDepth 16 in section Screen. |
| 14:39.45 | abrotman | BassFool: paste the errors again |
| 14:39.46 | BassFool | to a disk, can I wipe the slate clean and start with say testing |
| 14:40.03 | BassFool | ok incoming paste |
| 14:40.07 | nouga | I can get a 1024x768 |
| 14:40.14 | abrotman | yay! |
| 14:40.56 | nouga | abrotman: with the help of man xorg.conf and google ;o) |
| 14:41.37 | BassFool | abrotman:http://pastebin.com/d59af9107 |
| 14:42.52 | nouga | Tomorow the shops are closed her in france, waitt till tuesday to buye a brand new video card. But wich "not expensive one" for bzryl ? |
| 14:43.21 | nouga | Oops beryl of course ! |
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| 14:43.48 | amphi | nouga: oldish radeons are well supported by open drivers |
| 14:43.57 | Corkster | nvidia is the ONLY video card you should use in linux |
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| 14:44.11 | cloakable | lol |
| 14:44.19 | Julouste | How can I get essids that are being broadcast, on the command line? |
| 14:44.34 | pozic | This message was sponsored by the nVidia corporation. |
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| 14:44.44 | nouga | amphi: The one who crashed was an "oldish" radeon :( |
| 14:44.51 | cloakable | Julouste: as root, iwlist scan |
| 14:44.56 | abrotman | BassFool: you could try to do the same 'exit 0' thing |
| 14:45.06 | Corkster | no other video card is supported as well as nvidia |
| 14:45.07 | abrotman | BassFool: no idea what you've done to gconf .. but it's unhappy |
| 14:45.14 | abrotman | Corkster: that's utter bullshit |
| 14:45.16 | Julouste | cloakable: thanks |
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| 14:45.38 | cloakable | Julouste: no problem |
| 14:45.51 | nouga | Corkster: with the proprietary ".run" file or Debian pkgs ? |
| 14:45.53 | pozic | Corkster: nvidia cards are not supported by Debian in case anything breaks. |
| 14:45.54 | Corkster | abrotman that has been my experiance |
| 14:45.59 | abrotman | nouga: do not buy nvidia |
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| 14:46.20 | abrotman | nouga: if you can avoid nvidia .. do so .. they don't give a crap about their users |
| 14:46.31 | nouga | abrotman: the question is always the same : wich one ? |
| 14:47.03 | nouga | abrotman: ATI ? |
| 14:47.06 | liable | you're kinda screwed if you want good graphics |
| 14:47.16 | liable | ati is getting there though |
| 14:47.18 | avu | intel! |
| 14:47.27 | abrotman | at least ati is starting to work towards open drivers |
| 14:47.32 | liable | except the chips suck.. |
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| 14:47.36 | abrotman | and sadly .. intel doesn't make discrete cards (yet) |
| 14:47.37 | amphi | nouga: so what? |
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| 14:47.46 | avu | abrotman, true :( |
| 14:47.50 | nottha_k | if you want to play games right now with the least amount of pain go nvidia. |
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| 14:47.56 | Corkster | you want painless install use nvidia |
| 14:48.01 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, if you want to use wine with games, you need nvidia |
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| 14:48.09 | liable | unfortunately, thats true atm |
| 14:48.12 | HardDisk_WP | as every of the ATI drivers is as buggy as hell |
| 14:48.17 | nouga | amphi: It works |
| 14:48.22 | HardDisk_WP | same for the Intel drivers, btw |
| 14:48.37 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: that's also a lie |
| 14:48.44 | amphi | nouga: why do you need a new one? |
| 14:48.53 | abrotman | amphi: his burnt up apparently |
| 14:49.21 | pozic | Was it smokingly fast? |
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| 14:49.34 | amphi | abrotman: ah - he just said "it works", which confused me |
| 14:49.52 | nouga | No Intel on my mother-boeard. Wich manufaturer builds express.16 video cards with the Intel chip |
| 14:50.10 | nouga | amphi: My radeon has crashed ! |
| 14:50.25 | amphi | nouga: so get another for half nothing off ebay ;) |
| 14:50.53 | BassFool | abrotman: so i guess I am going to have to reload from a disk then abrotman? |
| 14:51.02 | pozic | The latest and "greatest" usually isn't that "great" (especially not so in Linux). |
| 14:51.26 | abrotman | BassFool: i said you could put the exit 0 at the top of the scripts for those packages too |
| 14:51.36 | BassFool | oh didn't see that.. |
| 14:51.36 | nouga | amphi: it was an OLD radeon |
| 14:52.22 | nouga | amphi: just a little bit more memory than the S3 i'm running now |
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| 14:52.56 | abrotman | nouga: running etch ? |
| 14:53.32 | nouga | abrotman: no Lenny on a brand new i86_64 |
| 14:53.33 | BassFool | abrotman: no scripts with that name gconftool-2 |
| 14:53.47 | abrotman | BassFool: no .. the packages you're trying to remove |
| 14:53.48 | nottha_k | i've been quite content with the new oss radeonhd drivers. but I don't play any games. |
| 14:53.55 | BassFool | oh ok.. |
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| 14:54.51 | nouga | by every body ! |
| 14:54.54 | abrotman | nouga: if you get a Radeon off ebay that's a little bit old .. the OSS driver can run it |
| 14:54.57 | amphi | nouga: my old mobility radeon 7500 (m7) with 32MB VRAM ran beryl/compiz fine |
| 14:55.10 | abrotman | nouga: like an X300 or X600 |
| 14:55.38 | abrotman | and i bet those are pretty cheap |
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| 14:55.51 | nouga | Thanks for advisory, |
| 14:56.12 | RealMurphy | I all, I'm currently struggling to create a .deb package for a 3rd party installation. I'm installing this stuff within pbuilder and almost all files go under /opt, so that's not really a problem, however, it also modifies as well as add files under /etc and my trouble is, how to find all these and how to embed this into the postinstall scripts |
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| 14:58.21 | mooboy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:58.40 | mooboy | after i run this ,my uplog file has two lines |
| 14:59.06 | mooboy | why? i have set the "sed /^$/d" |
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| 15:00.15 | asg | mooboy: sed is notoriously finicky about newlines. Ask #bash |
| 15:00.51 | sarefo_home | i'm told i need a new kernel; i'm running a -486 one, and my machine is amd64. now, i'm running 32bit linux, so should i install the -amd64 kernel, or is this 64bit only? |
| 15:01.15 | mooboy | thx asg |
| 15:01.45 | mooboy | any other way to solve my problem? |
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| 15:02.22 | siyb_ | on 2 of my debian systems there are two different ports (one time 47220 and 58065 the other time, both tcp) that don't seem to have a process related to them (checked with: ss, fuser and lsof) anyone got any idea what the ports are used for? i have searched on google for this matter and came to no conclusion. i also did a rk scan but as it turns out my system _seems_ to be clean. |
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| 15:03.20 | zap0 | hello, im a noob! what package do i need for FFMPEG ? |
| 15:03.31 | defrysk | ffmpeg |
| 15:03.36 | siyb_ | lol |
| 15:03.37 | siyb_ | :> |
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| 15:03.51 | zap0 | ok. i failed to find it in Multimedia section |
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| 15:04.38 | defrysk | zap0, apt-get install ffmpeg |
| 15:04.41 | Coweater | it's in graphics for whatever reason |
| 15:05.48 | zap0 | found it by using the alphabetical 'All' section. |
| 15:05.50 | RealMurphy | siyb_: Does netstat (maybe netstat -tulpen, or netstat -ta) tell you anything? |
| 15:06.02 | mooboy | who can show me a new way when " sed '/^$/d' " does not works |
| 15:06.24 | mooboy | i just wanna delete a line without character |
| 15:06.37 | RealMurphy | mooboy: use tail -n 1? *jumping into hiding* |
| 15:07.14 | mooboy | thank you ,i will have a try |
| 15:07.39 | siyb_ | RealMurphy: nope unfortunatly not |
| 15:07.58 | siyb_ | RealMurphy: it displays an - instead of a pid |
| 15:08.10 | RealMurphy | siyb_: are you runnig this as root? |
| 15:08.21 | siyb_ | you mean netstat? |
| 15:08.26 | siyb_ | yep |
| 15:09.00 | RealMurphy | siyb_: yes. hmm, can you telnet to those ports? |
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| 15:09.11 | zap0 | i'd like to try to compile SDL, i'll need to install GCC? will just getting GCC also get all the depedancies for really basic compiling of things like SDL? im a linux noob, but i've used mingw for a while. |
| 15:09.38 | RealMurphy | zap0: Try installing build-essential |
| 15:09.47 | siyb_ | RealMurphy: i can |
| 15:09.51 | RealMurphy | zap0: That should get you goiing |
| 15:09.57 | RealMurphy | siyb_: That's bad |
| 15:10.04 | siyb_ | i know :> |
| 15:10.06 | RealMurphy | siyb_: (at least potentially) |
| 15:10.39 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 15:10.41 | zap0 | ok, found it, its downloading now. |
| 15:10.43 | HardDisk_WP | what reasons can it have if echo text > /dev/ttyUSB0 leads to incomplete data transfers? |
| 15:10.47 | HardDisk_WP | and these are way too slow |
| 15:10.52 | siyb_ | my router doesn't allow connections on those ports anyway, but i really want to know what's happening |
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| 15:11.07 | RealMurphy | siyb_: What you could do: (1) telnet into and try to find out what is running there, (2) or you could see via tcpdump or wireshark if some traffic is running there |
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| 15:11.21 | HardDisk_WP | for example fopen("/dev/ttyUSB0","r+"); in php takes more than 10 sec |
| 15:11.35 | HardDisk_WP | approx. the same as echo text > /dev/ttyUSB0 needs |
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| 15:11.52 | zap0 | is SDL a package? or i have to get that from SDL's web site? |
| 15:12.24 | siyb_ | RealMurphy: that was the next approach, i just wanted to know if anyone knows about these ports |
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| 15:13.15 | foobar8 | zap0: libsdl |
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| 15:13.33 | xingu | mooboy: uptime | perl -ne 's/^ ([^,]*),.*$/\1/; print scalar(localtime) . " " . $_ . "\n"' |
| 15:13.34 | sarefo_home | what's the best kernel for amd64 running in 32bit mode? |
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| 15:14.12 | anddam | hi |
| 15:14.21 | xingu | amd64 can't run in 32bit mode; disabling long mode is a trapdoor |
| 15:14.44 | foobar8 | zap0: libsdl1.2debian to be more specific |
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| 15:14.52 | sarefo_home | xingu: i'm running this processor in 32bit mode for years now, using a 486 kernel |
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| 15:15.00 | RealMurphy | siyb_: https://isc.incidents.org/port.html?port=47220 does not show much right now |
| 15:15.27 | xingu | sarefo_home: your processor is not amd64; its ISA might be, but the processor probably has a vendor, a model, and a type |
| 15:15.37 | sarefo_home | i need a different kernel to get support for 2g ram, i was told. so the question would be 686 or k7? |
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| 15:15.45 | elysium-os | Hi, I want to setup a local debian mirror, I need that including security updates, and multiple architectures ( i386, x86_64, sparch and mips ), to do so what package is best? I found apt-mirror, debmirror, debpartial-mirror |
| 15:15.49 | zap0 | ok, found 'them' there is 2 pages of them...mmm... a want the basic SDL, no frills. |
| 15:16.10 | anddam | how can an ISO be burnt simultaneously on several devices? |
| 15:16.42 | Superbartt | hmmfg, is there a way in gterm to reattach a tab after detaching it? |
| 15:16.45 | anddam | from what I read one should run one cdrecord process per device |
| 15:17.37 | elysium-os | anddam: just run cdrecord multiple times... |
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| 15:19.02 | anddam | elysium-os: that's what I found on web, isn't that unefficient on resources? |
| 15:19.06 | sarefo_home | in order to install a new kernel, 'apt-get install linux-image-xxx' should do the job, right? |
| 15:19.14 | elysium-os | anddam: the kernel should cache it nicely so your HD will not get a too load |
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| 15:21.02 | elysium-os | anddam: if you would debug it you would see it's only read once from disk, unless the programs are started too long after each other |
| 15:21.13 | gilson-Ssa | hello, someone uses the card i3945 a/b/g intel wirelles? |
| 15:21.26 | zap0 | i have SDL, and i found pthreads, and build-essential, i need basic networking in C, what packages do i need for that? |
| 15:21.54 | anddam | elysium-os: thx |
| 15:22.07 | anddam | bye |
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| 15:23.04 | cahoot | gilson-Ssa: several |
| 15:23.38 | gilson-Ssa | ? |
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| 15:24.36 | cahoot | gilson-Ssa: several people use that device |
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| 15:24.50 | siyb_ | RealMurphy: i know what it is now ... rpcinfo -p revealed it, the port(s) is(are) nfs related ... could have actually figured that out myself ... |
| 15:26.06 | cahoot | gilson-Ssa: what's your real question? |
| 15:26.27 | gilson-Ssa | I can not use iwl3945, several tentavias, did nothing to raise |
| 15:26.31 | RealMurphy | siyb_: Good that this is solved then :) |
| 15:26.57 | abrotman | iwlwifi or ipw3945 ? |
| 15:27.01 | siyb_ | still i don't understand why it seems that there is no process related to the port Oo |
| 15:27.14 | gilson-Ssa | |
| 15:27.14 | gilson-Ssa | not iwlist, demonstrates network |
| 15:27.14 | gilson-Ssa | not connect the AP |
| 15:27.16 | HardDisk_WP | what reasons can it have if echo text > /dev/ttyUSB0 leads to incomplete data transfers? |
| 15:27.17 | siyb_ | thx for your help |
| 15:27.26 | HardDisk_WP | if text >8 chars |
| 15:27.41 | gilson-Ssa | iwlwifi |
| 15:27.56 | liable | gilson-Ssa: iwl3945? |
| 15:28.05 | gilson-Ssa | yes |
| 15:28.35 | liable | gilson-Ssa: so whats the actuall problem. what security on the network, and where does it fail? |
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| 15:28.50 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: I'm not sure that echo is terribly bothered about error handling (on short writes) |
| 15:28.52 | Ali_Baba | Sure I came out here to make my name |
| 15:28.52 | Ali_Baba | Wanted my pool, my dose of fame |
| 15:28.52 | Ali_Baba | Wanted my parking space at Warner's |
| 15:28.52 | Ali_Baba | But after a year, a one room hell |
| 15:28.52 | Ali_Baba | A murphy bed, a rancid smell |
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| 15:29.06 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: it is after all just a shell builtin; do you get the same behaviour with dd? |
| 15:29.06 | zap0 | how do i change the default font size, everything is too big |
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| 15:29.51 | Ali_Baba | Came in their creaky covered wagons |
| 15:29.53 | Ali_Baba | Far as they could go end of the line |
| 15:29.55 | Ali_Baba | Their dreams were yours, their dreams were mine |
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| 15:29.57 | Ali_Baba | But in those dreams were hidden dragons |
| 15:29.59 | Ali_Baba | Sunset Boulevard, frenzied boulevard |
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| 15:30.23 | xingu | says-a-him. |
| 15:30.23 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, i'll try...anyway, php with fopen and dio takes also very long (up to 10sec for open) |
| 15:30.24 | gilson-Ssa | |
| 15:30.24 | gilson-Ssa | even trying to open channel, without wep, not iwlist network |
| 15:30.24 | gilson-Ssa | And it connects AP |
| 15:31.03 | liable | gilson-Ssa: you make absolutely no sense, please rephrase |
| 15:31.52 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, same...incomplete transfer and horrible slow with dd |
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| 15:31.57 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: usb is obviously a packet transport and a low bitrate one at that; it's entirely probable that your data will not be written in a single urb leading I'd imagine quite probably to short writes on a routine basis if your inter-character fill rate is greater than the device's drain rate |
| 15:32.14 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, you mean it's the prolific converter's fault? |
| 15:32.31 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, with picocom there are no such problems |
| 15:32.46 | HardDisk_WP | if i type the string by hand in picocom it gets fully transmitted |
| 15:32.51 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: that'd be my guess; it sounds like you're at war with your line discipline - check that what you have configured by way of handshaking agrees, end to end across the transport |
| 15:33.13 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: picocom more than likely will be using a different (nonbuffered) line discipline |
| 15:33.13 | gilson-Ssa | |
| 15:33.13 | gilson-Ssa | - Aplaca is detected, iwconfig, wlan0, ok |
| 15:33.13 | gilson-Ssa | However, iwlist, is not the networks |
| 15:33.13 | gilson-Ssa | - Do not connect to any AP |
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| 15:33.24 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, no transmission control (possible)...on the other end there is a C-Control microcontroller with attached LCD |
| 15:33.28 | liable | hah |
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| 15:33.40 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: xon/xoff flow control is always possible |
| 15:34.06 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, i dunno if the C-Control supports that, at least on windows (same converter) i dont need any flowcontrol |
| 15:34.48 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: compare/ contrast what stty -g </dev/tty... thinks about line discipline between the working (picocom) and non-working cases. |
| 15:35.06 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: stty -a if you want human readable |
| 15:35.15 | HardDisk_WP | MyNameIsSLUG:~# stty -g /dev/ttyUSB0 |
| 15:35.15 | HardDisk_WP | stty: when specifying an output style, modes may not be set |
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| 15:35.23 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: ...<... |
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| 15:35.53 | R45C4L | i am having a problem while installing debian on a virtual box |
| 15:36.10 | R45C4L | everytime the installation gets stuck at 5% |
| 15:36.18 | xingu | !5% |
| 15:36.18 | dpkg | 0.05 |
| 15:36.19 | R45C4L | any suggestions for me?? |
| 15:36.30 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, http://pastebin.com/m46e66d77 |
| 15:36.32 | R45C4L | yes at 5% |
| 15:36.43 | HardDisk_WP | !8% |
| 15:36.43 | dpkg | 0.08 |
| 15:36.45 | HardDisk_WP | lol |
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| 15:37.11 | nooberdon | can tell me why nvidia binary driver states that I am using an Xen kernel, when all I am using is the 2.6.25-2-686 stock lenny kernel? |
| 15:37.12 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, this is before picocom |
| 15:37.16 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: great, now do it again while using the device via 1/ picocom, 2/ your failing case. |
| 15:37.24 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: then compare/contrast and see what changes. |
| 15:37.57 | liable | nooberdon: whats the exact error? |
| 15:38.45 | enouf | nooberdon: grep XEN /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 15:39.24 | enouf | nooberdon: do NOT paste into the channel - use a pastebin |
| 15:39.24 | liable | nooberdon: debian 2.6.25 has added xen support, i have seen a few problems related to this |
| 15:39.24 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, oh, i see when i paste the string into picocom it gets incomplete |
| 15:39.35 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, i think the pl2303 gets confused when writing in "boost" |
| 15:39.43 | HardDisk_WP | i see if i can rise the speed to 56000 |
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| 15:40.17 | nooberdon | liable: -> Performing Xen check. ERROR: The kernel you are installing for is a Xen kernel! The NVIDIA driver does not currently work on Xen kernels. If you are using a stock distribution kernel, please install a variant of this kernel without Xen support; if this is a custom kernel, please install a standard Linux kernel. Then try installing the NVIDIA kernel module again. ERROR: Installation has failed. |
| 15:40.28 | hoxu | Is there a way to run a custom script when KDE locks the screen automatically? |
| 15:41.03 | nooberdon | enouf: err sorry |
| 15:41.30 | enouf | !5% error |
| 15:41.30 | dpkg | somebody said 5% error was d-i stopping at 5%? Boot the installer with `linux debian-installer/allow_unauthenticated=true' or drop to a shell, chroot /target, kill the existing aptitude process and add the latest key, then run aptitude and install what you like. Since <etch> has been released, you should be downloading a released version of the installer from debian.org which would not have this problem. |
| 15:41.31 | liable | nooberdon: 2.6.25 kernel? |
| 15:41.33 | enouf | there she goes |
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| 15:42.16 | enouf | use an older debian kernel - or compile support without XEN |
| 15:42.19 | nooberdon | liable: yes 2.6.25-2-686 stock lenny |
| 15:42.25 | kdeuser^ | are kde4 packages available for debian sid ? |
| 15:42.37 | enouf | the kernel team should be notified, but i doubt they care ;) |
| 15:42.46 | enouf | and for good reason ;-) |
| 15:42.54 | liable | nooberdon: i have no idea where the installer is finding that info, but i would start by making a copy of your config (/boot/config-2.6.25..) and editing that file to remove the xen line |
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| 15:43.15 | enouf | nooberdon: ask in #nvidia |
| 15:43.30 | nooberdon | enouf: well that might be well and good but the older kernel that is in lenny cannot be installed, because a dependency file does not exist |
| 15:43.33 | enouf | nooberdon: that's not a debian issue |
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| 15:44.03 | enouf | nooberdon: why not? you had an older kernel prior that worked i'm sure |
| 15:44.10 | enouf | right? |
| 15:44.22 | nooberdon | enouf: nope this is a fresh install of lenny |
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| 15:44.59 | enouf | Beta installers have issues |
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| 15:45.39 | liable | nooberdon: you need to find where the nvidia installer is finding that info, and work around it. |
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| 15:45.54 | enouf | you chose it, so either file a nice installation report, or use nv or vesa till you get it all sorted - and you can certainly use an older kernel .. but without specific errors, we can't help |
| 15:45.58 | liable | nooberdon: as i said, xen has just been added tpo 2.6.25 |
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| 15:46.22 | enouf | strace the .run crap :-P |
| 15:46.36 | enouf | or however you installed the binary blobs |
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| 15:47.10 | nooberdon | liable: so you say the best way is to edit the config of /boot/config-2.6.25 |
| 15:47.13 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, i found out |
| 15:47.16 | enouf | see if 'uname -m' or dpkg --architecture says xen or something |
| 15:47.24 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, the CC offers only 8 bytes recv buffer |
| 15:47.43 | HardDisk_WP | after 8 bytes it drops everything until the buffer is empty again |
| 15:48.14 | enouf | i meant "dpkg --print-architecture" |
| 15:48.16 | liable | nooberdon: thats my first uneducated guess. you are on your own with this, i am just trying to suggest possible workarounds. |
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| 15:48.17 | enouf | ofcourse ;-) |
| 15:48.34 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, will the OS be careful about that if RTS is set? I mean, will it then pause to send stuff? |
| 15:48.48 | liable | nooberdon: actual build log would be more helpfull |
| 15:48.59 | liable | nooberdon: surely it logs it somewhere |
| 15:49.08 | enouf | this is a shell VAR , but who knows ~$ echo $MACHTYPE |
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| 15:49.24 | nooberdon | liable: build log of what? |
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| 15:49.54 | liable | the nvidia installer |
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| 15:50.01 | enouf | all you have top do, is ask #nvidia what their installer checks to determine ARCH |
| 15:50.08 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: depends on line discipline; you need cts/rts handshaking |
| 15:50.09 | nooberdon | liable: ah yes ill post with pastebin |
| 15:50.12 | hoxu | Is there a way to call a script when KDE's screensaver locks the session? If not, then any suggestions on how to run a script when a user is afk are welcome :) |
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| 15:50.41 | enouf | hoxu: cron ;-) |
| 15:50.43 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, hm, it seems the CC isn't fast enough for sending RTS^^ seems I have to implement some kind of pre-buffer in my program |
| 15:50.47 | enouf | hoxu: at |
| 15:50.59 | xingu | HardDisk_WP: sounds busted, bin it :) |
| 15:51.10 | hoxu | enouf, care to elaborate? You mean to run regularly and check whether the user is "active"? How would you achieve that? |
| 15:51.23 | enouf | hoxu: good question .. |
| 15:51.37 | enouf | hoxu: or have the user set the time to run using 'at' |
| 15:51.43 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, heh lol, the device costed me 200DM at the time I bought it |
| 15:51.49 | enouf | prior to locking session |
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| 15:51.52 | hoxu | enouf, that's out of question, I need it to be automatic :) |
| 15:51.53 | HardDisk_WP | I surely won't bin 100⬠^^ |
| 15:52.01 | enouf | hoxu: every day? same time? |
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| 15:52.14 | Julouste | Hey, I'm installing debian into very limited disk space. I am going to select just the base system and laptop options at tasksel so as not to install gnome. Are there any other huge packages I could do without, or any other advice? |
| 15:52.18 | hoxu | enouf, no, whenever the screensaver automatically locks the screen up (and maybe when it's manually locked too) |
| 15:52.32 | nooberdon | liable: here ya go http://pastebin.com/d5128e3e |
| 15:52.40 | enouf | hoxu: and only then? and how long into the locking session? a specific time? |
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| 15:53.30 | hoxu | enouf, you lost me on that one. I just need a way to trigger a script whenever the lock becomes active :P |
| 15:53.47 | liable | nooberdon: hmm, thats not helpfull, try hacking your config file |
| 15:54.13 | nooberdon | liable: in /boot/~ right? |
| 15:54.23 | enouf | hoxu: sounds like spyware ;-) |
| 15:54.31 | xingu | liable: have you got some sort of a cite about that? can't find anyhting relevant in debian-kernel list archives |
| 15:54.47 | liable | nooberdon: yeah, make a copy of it first |
| 15:54.58 | Corkster | spyware ?? in linux ? |
| 15:55.05 | liable | xingu: about what? the xen stuff? |
| 15:55.07 | Corkster | tell me it isnt so |
| 15:55.26 | nooberdon | liable: can I just comment out that line? |
| 15:55.31 | enouf | hoxu: #debian-kde might have some suggestions |
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| 15:55.35 | xingu | liable: yep; seems an affront to sensibility to merge with the default i386 kernel |
| 15:55.37 | liable | nooberdon: give it a try |
| 15:55.45 | hoxu | enouf, you are entitled to your opinion of usefulness of such a trigger :) |
| 15:55.48 | hoxu | apt, opinions |
| 15:56.01 | hoxu | all bots dead? |
| 15:56.14 | enouf | hoxu: i never activate any of the screensavers, or lock sessions, so not sure .. |
| 15:56.24 | enouf | !test |
| 15:56.24 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:56.35 | hoxu | !opinions |
| 15:56.35 | dpkg | opinions are like arseholes, everyone has one, they all stink, and it's really not polite to air yours in public, or be prepared to defend yours if you do show it in #debian. Your opinion, not your arsehole. Well, maybe both. |
| 15:56.38 | liable | xingu: i only know because i saw several people here copying debian configs over to vanilla source and getting a xen makefile error. i did the same, and debian appears to have patched in xen stuff |
| 15:56.38 | hoxu | ;) |
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| 15:58.26 | tdou | hello, i tried to install debian on my dell pc but my networkcard will not be regonozced |
| 15:58.51 | enouf | there's more than 1 xen line |
| 15:58.59 | tdou | its a A1000 |
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| 15:59.39 | nooberdon | liable: ok backed up, edited and going to reboot - wish me luck |
| 15:59.40 | enouf | liable: and xingu i too noticed that ddalton had that issue |
| 15:59.53 | enouf | the xen one, during compile, of even Debian Sources |
| 16:00.23 | enouf | he went in, and disabled the XEN stuff and recompiled and all was better - make/make-kpkg was failing |
| 16:00.53 | liable | enouf: i know, i was the one to tell him to disable it :) |
| 16:01.19 | enouf | liable: aye, i had a PM from him about it, but got it hours later (was afk) .. good job! ;-) |
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| 16:02.24 | xingu | liable: that's totally bustulated :| |
| 16:02.33 | enouf | i'd really love to hear what the debian kern devs have to say about it when they hear this; "wah WAH WAH - the debian kernel is breaking my nVidia Binary Blob installation" lmso |
| 16:02.51 | liable | hah |
| 16:03.08 | enouf | i'm expecting Theo-style firrworks ;-) |
| 16:03.13 | enouf | fireworks even |
| 16:03.42 | liable | well, its nvidias job to fix it i guess. |
| 16:03.47 | enouf | yep |
| 16:04.02 | xingu | ... or, explicitly desupport debian |
| 16:04.04 | xingu | job done |
| 16:04.12 | xingu | none of their customers use it I'd wager |
| 16:04.17 | enouf | who cares |
| 16:04.34 | enouf | then maybe the weenies would stop buying Defective-By-Design hardware |
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| 16:05.10 | xingu | you mean, debian-incompatible hardware? :) |
| 16:05.15 | enouf | and if they are too ignorant to know better - then either a) they need an eduMAcation or b) we don't want them :-) |
| 16:05.16 | xingu | that's how their customers will see it |
| 16:06.07 | enouf | xingu: when did Debian Installation ever require nvidia binary blobs? |
| 16:06.25 | foobar8 | is there a way to display the current offset of a fd of a running process? (i did not find an lsof option for that) |
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| 16:07.10 | farhad_hf | hi all |
| 16:07.19 | enouf | foobar8: only thing remotely ican think of is some obscure lsof option or systemtap, or something |
| 16:07.39 | enouf | or feed it to gdb? dunno, my bad |
| 16:08.08 | xingu | twists enouf into a möbius strip |
| 16:08.27 | farhad_hf | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.49 | enouf | xingu: P |
| 16:08.56 | enouf | er :-P |
| 16:09.33 | foobar8 | enouf: i found it: /proc/processid/fdinfo/fd: pos: ... |
| 16:09.42 | enouf | foobar8: cool |
| 16:10.23 | Repossessed | try removing the experimental repos? |
| 16:10.47 | xingu | decides to molest 2.6.25 with debian patch and see what the output looks like |
| 16:11.37 | enouf | xingu: you go girl! </me snaps fingers + bobles neck> |
| 16:11.48 | liable | lol |
| 16:12.59 | amphi | 'bobles'? eeww |
| 16:13.16 | enouf | bobble, sorry :-P |
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| 16:15.19 | Mag007 | when using rsync is there a cap on maximum data being pushed/pulled? |
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| 16:15.57 | farhad_hf | Repossessed, i didn't add the public keys of the repository . does it make mistakes? |
| 16:15.59 | soulchild | Hi all, is there a way to get the module which is loaded for eth0 ? |
| 16:16.16 | farhad_hf | sorry for my english mistakes! |
| 16:16.36 | enouf | Mag007: #rsync 8 people ;-) |
| 16:16.47 | liable | soulchild: check /proc/net/wireless/eth0 |
| 16:16.50 | Mag007 | LOL, i know enouf |
| 16:16.54 | Repossessed | it'll dowload with no keys, but freak out at you, you can't download experimental repos straight to lenny though |
| 16:17.03 | Repossessed | you need to backport them |
| 16:17.23 | soulchild | liable: i already foiund lspci -k |
| 16:17.50 | liable | so why ask then? |
| 16:17.52 | xingu | liable: actually it looks more like a boneheaded mistake to me than anything; there doesn't actually appear to _be_ a reason to enable CONFIG_XEN for the i386 kernel, which makes me strongly suspect that it's happened by accident. |
| 16:17.54 | farhad_hf | Repossessed, how? im a newbie |
| 16:18.18 | xingu | liable: regardless of intent, it's an error that'll return to bite debian on the arse |
| 16:18.29 | farhad_hf | Repossessed, i added sid repositories to . |
| 16:18.30 | liable | xingu: hmm, dunno, theres mails on the boot list about having xen netboot images |
| 16:18.40 | enouf | farhad_hf: newbies shouldn't be tocuhing sid, nor experimental |
| 16:18.48 | enouf | touching |
| 16:18.50 | Repossessed | !simple sid backports |
| 16:18.51 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 16:19.10 | Repossessed | just do this, but for experimental instead of sid |
| 16:19.12 | xingu | liable: right, plenty of mails about the various xen images, indicating the idea that there _are still_ explicit xen images, bourne out by my read of the debian kernel patch, which will still build them. |
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| 16:19.32 | xingu | liable: what's changed is that in addition to those, the main i386 kernel _also_ grows CONFIG_XEN |
| 16:19.52 | Repossessed | does the backport thing far too much |
| 16:20.14 | liable | xingu: ah, hit the kernel ML then and let them know i spose |
| 16:20.36 | xingu | liable: and get flamed by those drinkers of the one true kool-aid? :) |
| 16:20.58 | liable | xingu: of course, i only suggested it so you get flamed ;) |
| 16:21.04 | xingu | liable: thought as much ;) |
| 16:21.55 | liable | thats actually a bit of a problem isnt it.. |
| 16:22.37 | liable | people dissuaded to report things for fear of flammage |
| 16:22.45 | foobar8 | zap0: you can either use libc directly (see info libc - and the socket examples) - or as it seems you use libsdl you might also wish to take a look at libsdl-net1.2 or some other portable networking lib (maybe someone else?) |
| 16:23.03 | xingu | liable: indeed, it's how forks start |
| 16:23.17 | amphi | oh no |
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| 16:25.30 | foobar8 | zap0: but this is probably off-topic in #debian |
| 16:25.53 | xingu | liable: what's doubly irritating in this case is that obviously the CONFIG_XEN is _intended_ to be a subarch, not a generic "hey c00l lets switch this on!" flag. |
| 16:26.18 | xingu | liable: so by setting it, debian i386 is no longer debian/i386/pc; it's debian/i386/xen |
| 16:26.32 | liable | xingu: i just brought it up in devel, lets see if i get burnt :) |
| 16:26.39 | zap0 | foobar8, thank you. |
| 16:27.03 | xingu | liable: it also sets CONFIG_PARAVIRT which may or may not be nil cost... |
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| 16:29.38 | foobar8 | zap0: and for simple networking stuff i recommend socat |
| 16:30.25 | zap0 | i've done Windows Sockets before. |
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| 16:30.38 | unicum | in "sudo /usr/bin/rsync -vaxE --ignore-errors --exclude-from=/Users/unicum/excludes-system / /Volumes/TRABAPLA/ 2>/tmp/backup_errors && echo success" how do i check with "cat" wether or not it actually uses the file-argument to "--exclude-from"??? |
| 16:30.53 | foobar8 | zap0: socat is a command line tool |
| 16:31.01 | unicum | sry, but the guys in #macosx weren't able to help me |
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| 16:31.24 | zap0 | foobar8, i have no need for such a tool. |
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| 16:33.08 | geckosenator | how do I install a package and ignore dependencies/ |
| 16:33.22 | amphi | geckosenator: why would you want to do that? |
| 16:33.33 | geckosenator | I want to know how to do it, I can't explain why |
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| 16:34.13 | abrotman | geckosenator: you don't want to |
| 16:34.22 | liable | linux@pilsner:~$ grep -i xen /boot/config-2.6.25-2-686 |
| 16:34.22 | liable | CONFIG_XEN=y |
| 16:34.23 | geckosenator | I manually compiled the dependencies |
| 16:34.30 | abrotman | !tell geckosenator about equivs |
| 16:34.34 | abrotman | better solution |
| 16:34.41 | abrotman | or package your self-compiles |
| 16:34.56 | geckosenator | it's more work though |
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| 16:36.00 | Corkster | apt-get -f will help some |
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| 16:37.29 | abrotman | no it won't |
| 16:37.36 | abrotman | he doesn't want the deps installed |
| 16:37.59 | Corkster | agreed |
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| 16:39.31 | foobar8 | zap0: ok - it is just often quite handy / often there is no need to do any socket programing (just use inetd / socat / ...) |
| 16:39.32 | sylvain_ | Hello, I came yesterday and asked why agpgart didn't recognize my AGP graphic card. It turns ou that blacklisting the i82875p_edac module and reloading agpgart make the card detected. What is the *edac module for? |
| 16:39.44 | liable | xingu: file a bug |
| 16:39.59 | liable | or i will |
| 16:41.34 | BadQuanta | Ok, so now I've got debian running. Whats the best way of modifing the services that startup w/ the system? |
| 16:41.48 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, still around? |
| 16:42.11 | enouf | !tell BadQuanta about startup |
| 16:42.12 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, apparently while using php to recieve data, php's fgets on /dev/ttyUSB0 causes an echo of php |
| 16:42.17 | enouf | !tell BadQuanta about rcconf |
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| 16:42.46 | HardDisk_WP | xingu, php echoes the stuff it gets in also out...and I fear that some serial port config causes this |
| 16:42.49 | BadQuanta | Enouf: I know about init.d and all the rc.*'s I just didn't know if that was the "Debian Way" |
| 16:42.55 | BadQuanta | of Modifing startup items. |
| 16:43.02 | enouf | sylvain_: are you kidding me? |
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| 16:43.36 | enouf | sylvain_: you're still using that ATI Radeon 9600 with Binary Blobs(FGLRX) + Intel-agp ? |
| 16:44.20 | enouf | sylvain_: modinfo i82875p_edac description: MC support for Intel 82875 memory hub controllers |
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| 16:47.12 | HardDisk_WP | how do I prevent local echo for the serial port when it's fd is open? |
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| 16:49.36 | sylvain_ | enouf: you were the one I had the discussion with, about this problem, right? |
| 16:49.53 | enouf | sylvain_: yep |
| 16:50.16 | sylvain_ | enouf: unloading the edac modules makes the card detected. (solution found on http://ge.ubuntuforums.com/showthread.php?p=5314820) |
| 16:51.24 | enouf | sylvain_: excellent - really weird - i'm not sure who to tell though #fglrx, kernel devs, no idea - since it IS a proprietary blob issue |
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| 16:52.05 | piranha | Hi, guys. I've got strange trouble while building pidgin from source package (http://paste.lisp.org/display/63629). Maybe someone can help? I'm building it from source because my connection does not allow me to upgrade my system completely so it is a bit outdated (month old) and new pidgin wants some new packages. |
| 16:52.07 | enouf | sylvain_: i told you to remove that crap and use Xorgs #radeon which has had 3D support for years in that card |
| 16:52.13 | enouf | but ok |
| 16:52.17 | enouf | your choice |
| 16:52.46 | enouf | sylvain_: i'm curious if dmesg now shows more agpgart stuffs |
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| 16:52.51 | sylvain_ | enouf: yes it does |
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| 16:52.58 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: m00SH~! |
| 16:53.02 | sylvain_ | enouf: not related to radeon/fglrx |
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| 16:53.26 | sylvain_ | enouf: agpgart now says it found my card with correct aperture size |
| 16:53.36 | enouf | sylvain_: so, it also showed agpgart stuff when 'radeon' ati, or vesa was used? |
| 16:53.52 | sylvain_ | enouf: now fglrx and compiz work just fine |
| 16:54.06 | sylvain_ | it was just related to this agp not detected, as i expected |
| 16:54.33 | enouf | sylvain_: then that's a module that should be blacklisted for your specific Chipset - tell upstream about it, if they don't know yet |
| 16:54.50 | sylvain_ | don't know how |
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| 16:54.59 | sylvain_ | to tell upstream |
| 16:55.06 | enouf | er ...or is it only an issue in debina{related} kernels and initrds .. dunno |
| 16:55.17 | enouf | bugzilla.kernel.org |
| 16:55.23 | enouf | lkml.org |
| 16:55.30 | sylvain_ | what are initrd for? Why debian insist in having one? |
| 16:55.42 | CharminTheMoose | enouf, ENOUF! |
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| 16:55.47 | enouf | sylvain_: it's for most compatibility during installation |
| 16:55.58 | enouf | sylvain_: without having to make a HUGE BLOATED kernel |
| 16:56.45 | enouf | sylvain_: is that an i386 or amd64 install? |
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| 16:56.53 | enouf | sylvain_: cat /proc/version please as well |
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| 17:00.16 | HardDisk_WP | how do I prevent local echo for the serial port when it's fd is open? |
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| 17:00.44 | unicum | what's the file equivalent to "mkdir"? like.. make file? |
| 17:01.11 | soulchild | HI all, i just compiled a kernel, created /dev/console and /dev/null but now i have no fonts or icaons in Gnome, and ideas ???? |
| 17:01.21 | orveldv | unicum: touch. |
| 17:01.54 | unicum | like in touch and then the path? |
| 17:01.57 | piranha | sorry, but... any ideas about http://paste.lisp.org/display/63629 ? :( |
| 17:02.23 | orveldv | unicum: like in ''man touch'' |
| 17:02.38 | unicum | hrhr |
| 17:02.40 | unicum | k |
| 17:04.27 | enouf | piranha: don't cold paste |
| 17:05.14 | piranha | enouf: sorry, don't what? |
| 17:05.24 | amphi | 'cold paste' - good one ;) |
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| 17:05.53 | enouf | piranha: tell us about it, don't paste a url and say whaaawahhh help |
| 17:07.11 | piranha | enouf: heh, I wrote some words about that few mins ago, so I thought that complete repeat would not be something nice. But I can repeat, of course |
| 17:07.29 | piranha | I'm trying to build pidgin from source package, and getting strage stroubles |
| 17:07.35 | piranha | *strange troubles |
| 17:07.40 | enouf | piranha: my bad, so you did .. sorry |
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| 17:07.59 | piranha | there are dir "libpurple". But it fails with such message |
| 17:08.05 | piranha | *there is |
| 17:08.32 | enouf | piranha: i personally have no idea and therefore can't help |
| 17:08.42 | piranha | if I enter this dir manually and execute "make", it complains that there are no dir "gconf", which does exist. Same trouble. |
| 17:09.15 | piranha | eh... can't understand what to do :( |
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| 17:10.48 | zwox | hi there |
| 17:12.25 | zwox | i already ask on #grub but no one ever answer, i'd like to load linux kernel with framebuffer using grub 2 and i'd like to know if there is a better way to do than add "vga=XXX" on the kernel line |
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| 17:14.12 | enouf | zwox: hrm there are a gazillion options to try - depending on which FB, and kernel version and support for yours |
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| 17:15.19 | enouf | zwox: a good start ;-) http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/fb/ |
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| 17:15.27 | amphi | zwox: you can either use vesafb, or an fb driver specific to your card, if there is one |
| 17:15.37 | enouf | zwox: i don't know grub2 specifics though |
| 17:15.52 | zwox | enouf: i'd like to load the kernel in vga=791 |
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| 17:16.14 | enouf | zwox: well, i do exactly that with grub 1 ;-) |
| 17:16.30 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:16.51 | ok | what is FB? |
| 17:16.57 | enouf | read |
| 17:17.04 | enouf | framebuffer |
| 17:17.13 | ok | oh..ok |
| 17:17.14 | zwox | yep i know how to do with grub legacy but i wanted to try grub 2 |
| 17:17.15 | enouf | ok? |
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| 17:17.18 | enouf | ok |
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| 17:17.56 | enouf | zwox: well, #grub would be the right channel ;-) it is the weekend ya know ;-) |
| 17:18.48 | zwox | enouf: yep thanks, i'll try some opts and i'll see |
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| 17:21.11 | Julouste | My new debian install is not detecting my wireless device, ath0. The netinstall image I used to install could detect and configure it, so I know it is supported. However I configured and used eth0 for the install, and now I get device does not exist errors when trying to manually configure ath0. Any help please. |
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| 17:24.22 | Julouste | Is the debian installation program available on debian installs? |
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| 17:29.57 | epsilon | atheros wifi? that could be pain in the ass, I have the same issue with that chipset myself |
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| 17:32.32 | JediatNight | anyone familiar with konversation , here? |
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| 17:36.37 | kingsley | fsck in verbose mode says a certain hard drive "was not cleanly unmounted" and checks it, but reports no specific error, and concludes with "***** FILE SYSTEM WAS MODIFIED *****". Could a shutdown script calling umount be confused by either a missing ext3 journal, or a missing neighboring hard drive? |
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| 17:53.43 | grendal_prime | hey i got a cabnet full of hd's that i got because they needed to be whiped out. What is the quickes and most definat method of doing this? |
| 17:53.57 | mmlj4 | DBAN |
| 17:54.09 | grendal_prime | is that for me mmlj4? |
| 17:54.14 | mmlj4 | yes |
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| 17:54.21 | mmlj4 | you asked, didn't you? |
| 17:54.33 | sarefo_home | what's up with debianhelp.co.uk? when i go to http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/samba.htm , i get a banner instead of the site... |
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| 17:55.00 | grendal_prime | just wanted to make sure you were not answering someone elses question...thanks for the info ill look into it now |
| 17:55.27 | grendal_prime | there is no package for it... |
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| 17:55.41 | mmlj4 | don't leave any USB hard drives plugged in |
| 17:55.46 | mmlj4 | package? it's an ISO |
| 17:55.49 | grendal_prime | or at least nothing obviouse is it part of |
| 17:55.51 | grendal_prime | oooo ok |
| 17:55.54 | grendal_prime | thanks |
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| 17:56.27 | grendal_prime | plug a drive in throw this in the cdrom and whammo everything is el gone-O hu? |
| 17:56.50 | mmlj4 | yes... choose autonuke at the prompt |
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| 17:58.17 | grendal_prime | soooo i could lug 4 hds in at a time right ? |
| 17:58.22 | aidehua | What is the name for the white liquid that comes out of bacon when it is cooked? |
| 17:58.27 | grendal_prime | well on a machine with two ide's |
| 17:58.40 | grendal_prime | aidehua: fat? |
| 17:58.42 | infotron | aidehua: grease |
| 17:58.45 | grendal_prime | lard? |
| 17:58.50 | aidehua | Nah, not the fat. |
| 17:58.56 | infotron | F L A V O R |
| 17:59.00 | infotron | :P |
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| 17:59.03 | aidehua | It's the salty liquid that is white and watery. |
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| 17:59.12 | amphi | aidehua: water ;) |
| 17:59.17 | amphi | aidehua: get non-crap bacon |
| 17:59.21 | aidehua | It has a name, and I can't remember what it is. "Rendering" springs to mind. |
| 17:59.38 | grendal_prime | try #meat ? |
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| 17:59.45 | grendal_prime | or #pork |
| 17:59.50 | infotron | how cum you can't remember it? ;) |
| 17:59.51 | grendal_prime | or even #bacon |
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| 18:00.19 | amphi | #debian-carnivore ? |
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| 18:31.13 | Julouste | My new Debian install is not recognising my atheros device, ath0. I was able to configure and use it for the installation (net install), but now I get errors trying to bring it up. http://jkxbm.net/my_etcnetworkinterfaces |
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| 18:35.30 | MicSiRau1921 | Care Vrea Program De Vazut Web La Yahoo Fara Permisiune ?! Free Version HERE -- > http://www.speedyshare.com/213908403.html |
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| 18:36.12 | abrotman | !madwifi install |
| 18:36.13 | dpkg | i guess madwifi-install is ask me about <contrib> and <non-free sources>, then as root: "apt-get update && apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i madwifi && modprobe ath_pci". You should now have madwifi installed. Note: Atheros = ath0, NOT eth0. |
| 18:37.07 | Julouste | thanks, I'll try that |
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| 18:42.17 | liable | Julouste: uh, it was available during install? |
| 18:42.26 | liable | thats not madwifi, its ath5k |
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| 18:44.36 | Julouste | I am installing to an eeepc with wiki.debian.org/debianeeepc . They have a modified install images |
| 18:44.55 | s0u][ight | hello what kernel is debian currently using? |
| 18:44.57 | liable | yes, come over to #debian-eeepc on oftc |
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| 18:45.17 | liable | Julouste: i am the maintainer for that installer |
| 18:46.04 | liable | Julouste: because lenny just switched to 2.6.25, our installer is slightly broken, its being rebuilt as we speak |
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| 18:46.39 | liable | Julouste: connect to the net with your ethernet, and install madwifi-eeepc-modules-2.6-686 |
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| 18:47.53 | Julouste | liable: ok, I am doing that now |
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| 18:51.41 | msshams | i have a bash script that run mysqldump command in a loop for backing up all my dbs. this script works good already. but now, it can backing up only few dbs and then failed. this script runs automatically with crontab. when i run it manually it works fine. can you help me plz? |
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| 18:52.04 | |Ryan52 | Is there a way I can get a list of packages installed that are from etch or sid. My system is mostly lenny, but I had to install some from other distros for varios reasons and I want to try to fix it... |
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| 18:57.27 | Ryan52 | oh, there's an aptitude reference guide, nevermind. |
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| 19:00.52 | oompa_loompa | does anyone knows where can I find the latest release of lsof sources? |
| 19:01.05 | mily | hola |
| 19:01.06 | Ryan52 | oompa_loompa: newer than what's in sid? |
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| 19:02.18 | oompa_loompa | just the newest, I'm using etch and I don't want to switch to SID, I know that lsof only dependency is libc6 which I have so I'm looking for the latest source to compile on my own |
| 19:02.35 | wols | oompa_loompa: then use sid |
| 19:02.42 | oompa_loompa | hola mily |
| 19:02.43 | rsk | oompa_loompa: ftp://lsof.itap.purdue.edu/pub/tools/unix/lsof/lsof.tar.bz2 |
| 19:02.47 | wols | but what does this new one have that etch lsof doesn't? |
| 19:02.52 | wols | !tell oompa_loompa about ssb |
| 19:02.54 | mily | que tal? |
| 19:02.55 | oompa_loompa | I tried that its a no go but thanks wols |
| 19:03.03 | wols | oompa_loompa: why is it a no go? |
| 19:03.13 | oompa_loompa | no se ven muchos usuarios que hablen espaniol por aqui |
| 19:03.18 | wols | !es |
| 19:03.19 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:03.22 | oompa_loompa | it wont download anything |
| 19:03.26 | oompa_loompa | I tried it already |
| 19:03.28 | wols | oompa_loompa: BS |
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| 19:03.39 | mily | voy a ese entonces? |
| 19:03.42 | wols | you are rong |
| 19:03.42 | mily | debian-es? |
| 19:03.46 | oompa_loompa | ok |
| 19:03.49 | wols | mily: english only |
| 19:04.02 | PeterFA | When I apt-get update and upgrade, it tells me some packages have been held back. I don't want these packages held back though. |
| 19:04.08 | streuner | !es |
| 19:04.08 | PeterFA | What's causing this? |
| 19:04.08 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 19:04.24 | Ryan52 | PeterFA: dist-upgrade |
| 19:04.25 | wols | oompa_loompa: already done (downloaded the sources) |
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| 19:04.29 | streuner | peterS: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 19:04.35 | streuner | PeterFA: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 19:04.37 | wols | !tell PeterFA about held back |
| 19:04.38 | oompa_loompa | odd, it doesnt work forme |
| 19:04.49 | oompa_loompa | it downloads something but its an empty 0 kb file |
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| 19:04.57 | wols | oompa_loompa: http://packages.debian.org/sid/lsof |
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| 19:05.02 | PeterFA | Ryan52, thanks. |
| 19:05.23 | oompa_loompa | actually downloading through wget shows a bunch of errors when it tries to download it |
| 19:05.40 | oompa_loompa | I dont think I should switch to SID yet |
| 19:05.53 | PeterFA | Ryan52, streuner, wols, that's what I've been missing! |
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| 19:05.57 | wols | oompa_loompa: that is no sid switch. read the factoid again until you understand it |
| 19:06.15 | PeterFA | Looks like KDE4 is in the tree too. |
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| 19:06.54 | PeterFA | Oh, that's 4:2.5.9 :P |
| 19:06.58 | PeterFA | 3.5.9 |
| 19:07.07 | wols | !kde4 |
| 19:07.08 | dpkg | from memory, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
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| 19:08.02 | trinux | !lenny |
| 19:08.02 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. |
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| 19:09.09 | trinux | can you get a list what dpkg knows? |
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| 19:09.44 | hoxu | !tell trinux about msg the bot |
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| 19:10.09 | Tramp | !factoids |
| 19:10.10 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
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| 19:11.56 | MFZ | Hi, a quick question regarding exim4: I have about 100k data files in my inputqueuedir without corresponding header files. Did anything go wrong and the data files remained there or can this be correct? |
| 19:11.59 | trinux | even the database is open? how nice :) |
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| 19:13.25 | hoxu | trinux, the dumps are available yes; there is no public sql interface though :) |
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| 19:14.26 | trinux | loads his old perl book |
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| 19:15.59 | m-c | Tried to use debootstrap to install debian etch. The command worked, and it returned 'Base system installed successfully.' , but the /boot directory has no files. Is there another step? |
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| 19:17.47 | liable | m-c: chroot into the install, and install grub |
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| 19:19.21 | wols | m-c: install a kernel and grub |
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| 19:19.45 | m-c | wols: Should I be able to use most any kernel? |
| 19:20.42 | shah | hi all, i hav installed debian 40r3 netinst, i got a bare base system, but im unable to access to net, |
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| 19:20.48 | wols | m-c: no. a debian kernel |
| 19:21.01 | wols | shah: how do you normally access the net? |
| 19:21.11 | m-c | wols: Is the easiest way to get this by browsing the ftp site for it? |
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| 19:21.28 | wols | m-c: easiest is to chroot into the debian install and apt-get it |
| 19:21.29 | m-c | oh, I guess I can apt-get it |
| 19:21.37 | m-c | yes, thanks wols |
| 19:21.55 | shah | i want a lighter DE so im trying to to apt-get, but its not connected |
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| 19:22.09 | wols | shah: answer my question |
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| 19:22.58 | shah | wols: through browser, provided all network settings are correct |
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| 19:23.29 | wols | shah: that is not true |
| 19:23.37 | wols | shah: cable, ppoe, dhcp, etc? how? |
| 19:23.43 | wols | dialup? dsl? |
| 19:23.51 | shah | ooh its cable |
| 19:24.24 | wols | shah: do you have an IP? check with "/sbin/ifconfig" |
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| 19:25.17 | shah | wols: yeah i hav configured during installation, im in windows now, |
| 19:25.31 | wols | shah: do you have browser access in debian? |
| 19:25.36 | gi1242 | Hi Guys. Does anyone have a SMP enabled kernel, with irqbalance running AND hibernate to ram working? I found I started getting erratic crashes on resume as soon as I started irqbalance. (2.6.25.9) |
| 19:25.37 | wols | e.g can you reach google? |
| 19:25.53 | trinux | m-c: you can "aptitude search" and "apt-cache search" for a linux kernel |
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| 19:26.26 | shah | wols: no i just hav a bare minimum system, a commandline |
| 19:26.34 | trinux | m-c: best is you start using "aptitude" instead of "apt-get" |
| 19:26.41 | wols | shah: can you ping google? |
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| 19:27.19 | shah | tried but destination host unreachable |
| 19:27.21 | m-c | trinux: Thanks - I was just working on that part |
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| 19:27.54 | trinux | m-c: and which kernel is best to choose depends on your cpu architecture |
| 19:27.55 | wols | shah: what network card do you have? does eth0 at least exist? |
| 19:28.02 | wols | use /sbin/ifconfig to check that |
| 19:28.18 | norc | Hello. I have an Athlon 64 3000 running in 32 bit mode, which kernel do I want? |
| 19:28.29 | trinux | norc: K7 |
| 19:28.30 | wols | norc: 686 or k7 |
| 19:28.32 | norc | thanks |
| 19:28.54 | shah | wols: INTEX 10/100 mbps ethernet card, model no: LC81 |
| 19:29.10 | shah | i hav eth0 |
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| 19:29.36 | norc | So I have my hdd with my debian system. Currently Im chrooted, but if I wanted to boot from it, would it only require a kernel to be installed? |
| 19:29.38 | wols | and what IP does eth0 have (in debian)? |
| 19:29.50 | wols | norc: and a bootloader |
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| 19:30.04 | shah | wols: 192.168.1.93 |
| 19:30.08 | norc | wols: Thats all? |
| 19:30.30 | wols | shah: is this in windows or in debian? |
| 19:31.03 | norc | I take that as a yes, thanks. :) |
| 19:31.37 | Chocobo | Hi all, I just installed on a 2nd hard drive and when I booted the computer I entered grub command line (the grub from my previous install) and set the correct root (hd1,0) and when I typed "kernel /boot/<TAB>" it complained that bad file or directory.... I know this correct though. Could this because boot is in an ext3 partition? |
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| 19:31.50 | shah | wols: im in windows now, i hav configured ip 192.168.1.93 subnetmask 255.255.255.0 defaultGW 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:31.55 | wols | Chocobo: no |
| 19:31.58 | shah | in Debian |
| 19:32.14 | wols | shah: unlikely it works when host is unreachable |
| 19:32.29 | Chocobo | Hmmm wols any idea? |
| 19:33.03 | trinux | choc: is your /boot directory on the root partition - and are you sure this root partition is number 1? |
| 19:33.07 | Chocobo | the strange thing... I am in Arch linux right now and if I run grub I can browse the debian drive... so I am not sure what is up. |
| 19:33.18 | shah | wols: might be a network card driver not installed? |
| 19:33.25 | Chocobo | trinux, yes, boot is in the root directory. |
| 19:33.30 | wols | shah: you said you have eth0 in debian |
| 19:33.44 | shah | wols: yeah |
| 19:33.57 | trinux | choc: and the root partition is /dev/hdb1 or /dev/sdb1? |
| 19:34.59 | Chocobo | I use the uuid... but it is sdb1 |
| 19:35.16 | trinux | UUID should be even saver, hm |
| 19:35.22 | shah | wols: any solution?? |
| 19:35.39 | m-c | I installed the kernel and grub, for the installation on which I used debootstrap, but I do not see a /boot/grub - - Is this something I need to create manually? |
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| 19:36.48 | m-c | or is there another package? I only installed the one called "grub" -- maybe I need to also install "grub-disk" ? |
| 19:36.59 | trinux | m-c: you need to "grub-install" |
| 19:37.10 | m-c | oh right, thanks |
| 19:37.37 | shah | wols: my actual plan is to install a bare system and then use a lighter DE instead of gnome, |
| 19:37.38 | Chocobo | interesting...... now that I am in arch, I get this when I do fdisk -l |
| 19:37.40 | Chocobo | /dev/sda1 * 1 3580 28756318+ 83 Linux |
| 19:37.40 | Chocobo | /dev/sda2 3581 3739 1277167+ 5 Extended |
| 19:37.40 | Chocobo | /dev/sda5 3581 3739 1277136 82 Linux swap / Solaris |
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| 19:37.50 | m-c | trinux: would the device simply be (hd0) ? |
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| 19:38.20 | trinux | m-c: if you want grub to be the main boot manager, then yes |
| 19:38.40 | Chocobo | It is like the drives are getting moved around on me |
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| 19:39.42 | zxxxd | hi |
| 19:39.42 | zxxxd | does anyone know if the latest kernel has support for l2tpv3 |
| 19:39.42 | shah | any one help me, i hav got a bare minimal debian, but unable to download packages as i am unable to access to internet |
| 19:39.49 | m-c | trinux: Let me be clear what I am doing here. I am setting up a bootable virtual machine, grub-install will not over-write my system's boot manager, when I am in this chroot , will it? |
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| 19:40.00 | n-iCe | how do I Install my kernel module? |
| 19:40.03 | trinux | Chocobo: i seen this mystery twice already that disk orders change but found no explanation why |
| 19:40.13 | m-c | :-) |
| 19:40.44 | Chocobo | Odd, it also seems strange that I have that extended partition. It doesn't show up in cfdisk. |
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| 19:41.08 | trinux | m-c: depends on what you mean by virtual machine. with vmware, xen and such your guest is seperated from the host. so nothing can happen |
| 19:41.17 | lisaAa | Hi guys, I'm at the end of beta test for my website and looking for feedback from internet savvy people. mind if I post url please? |
| 19:41.29 | m-c | trinux: I am not using any of those at the moment |
| 19:41.40 | trinux | m-c: may i ask what you use then? |
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| 19:41.58 | m-c | trinux: I am trying to set up this loop back image, so it is bootable. |
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| 19:42.20 | n-iCe | * No suitable module for running kernel found |
| 19:42.23 | n-iCe | how do I fix it |
| 19:42.23 | trinux | m-c: i am not sure what a "loop back image" is when i am honest |
| 19:42.36 | shah | anyone help me out with this issue |
| 19:42.38 | Chocobo | well I am going to reboot and poke around on the command line some more. If that fails I might try reinstalling with boot being it's own partition. |
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| 19:42.59 | wols | lisaAa: is it debian related? |
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| 19:43.45 | m-c | trinux: okay, I will ask in another channel, thanks for clarifying for me, though. |
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| 19:43.49 | trinux | m-c: point of virtual machines usually is, that your host emulates hardware the guest uses. which is then also virtual disk space that is seperated from the host drive. if your loop back thing is something like usermode linux, then you hoss up your current system |
| 19:44.25 | n-iCe | Makefile:127: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 19:44.55 | trinux | n-iCe: install the kernel headers for your running kernel version |
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| 19:45.29 | shah | wols: hmmmm, leaving to debian once again, is there any way to install driver for the ethernet card, manufacturer has given a cd with it, which has drivers.. |
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| 19:46.13 | streuner_ | !hcl |
| 19:46.14 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 19:46.18 | n-iCe | trinux: how |
| 19:46.57 | trinux | n-iCe: find out your kernel version with "uname -a" and for the right headers with "aptitude search" |
| 19:47.13 | trinux | and find ^^ |
| 19:47.51 | n-iCe | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 19:48.16 | abrotman | kernel out of date |
| 19:48.29 | abrotman | probably make it hard to get headers |
| 19:48.30 | n-iCe | linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 , linux-latest-modules-2.6.24-1-6 , linux-modules-2.6.24-1-686, |
| 19:48.36 | n-iCe | that's what I got |
| 19:48.45 | n-iCe | abrotman: oh really? how do I install the new kenel? |
| 19:48.51 | shah | k guys leaving.. bye..:-( |
| 19:49.00 | abrotman | aptitude update && aptitude install linux-image-686 |
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| 19:49.23 | trinux | linux-headers is the package you wanna install then |
| 19:49.30 | abrotman | won't be available |
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| 19:49.45 | n-iCe | abrotman: done, now |
| 19:49.55 | abrotman | did it install a kernel ? |
| 19:50.14 | n-iCe | Setting up linux-image-686 (2.6.25+14) ... |
| 19:50.16 | n-iCe | I guess so |
| 19:50.21 | n-iCe | how can I be sure |
| 19:50.37 | trinux | ah, not using etch then. i better keep out of this |
| 19:50.40 | abrotman | did it install any other packages ? |
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| 19:50.43 | n-iCe | no |
| 19:50.47 | abrotman | what is he trying to compile ? |
| 19:50.51 | n-iCe | trinux: im using lenny |
| 19:50.54 | abrotman | n-iCe: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:51.26 | n-iCe | ok, downloading |
| 19:51.37 | trinux | n-iCe: what exactly failed to compile earlier? |
| 19:51.45 | n-iCe | when was it released? abrotman |
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| 19:51.51 | n-iCe | trinux: vistualbox. |
| 19:51.54 | n-iCe | virtualbox* |
| 19:52.05 | norc | Im trying to install grub on my sata drive, which is currenlty mounted on /mnt/. In the grub terminal I tried root (hd0,0) setup (hd0), but it says that it cannot mount that device. |
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| 19:52.14 | abrotman | n-iCe: yesterday i think .. but you were a couple of versions out |
| 19:52.20 | norc | (and sda is the right device here) |
| 19:52.29 | n-iCe | abrotman: oh |
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| 19:52.43 | abrotman | norc: which version of Debian ? |
| 19:52.47 | dvs | What? 2.6.24 is available for etch!?! |
| 19:52.54 | Veros | how do I create fstab equavalent to this mounting action - mount -t cifs -o username=name,password=123 //192.168.0.1/share /share ? |
| 19:52.54 | abrotman | dvs: via backports.org |
| 19:53.00 | dvs | oh... ok |
| 19:53.04 | dvs | sulks |
| 19:53.07 | norc | abrotman: Thats the tricky part. Im currently on an Ubuntu Live CD and the system on the hdd is a debian. |
| 19:53.08 | abrotman | dvs: soon etch+1/2 i think |
| 19:53.16 | dvs | yay! |
| 19:53.18 | abrotman | hdd wouldn't be hd0,0 |
| 19:53.24 | dvs | I won't even ask how soon. ;-) |
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| 19:53.28 | lisaAa | Wols I don't think so, i am just looking for big irc chan, and ask for permission before giving the url :] I don't wanna be spamming. |
| 19:53.37 | trinux | soon maybe they make etch and a half that has a new kernel |
| 19:53.47 | norc | err, lenny debian ;) |
| 19:53.48 | norc | so |
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| 19:54.09 | dvs | trinux: that's almost the entire point of etch-n-a-half |
| 19:54.19 | norc | abrotman: The thing is. I tried doing it from a chrooted environment, so I mounted sysfs and tried starting udev, but that threw a large warning into my face |
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| 19:54.31 | trinux | dvs :) |
| 19:54.38 | abrotman | lisaAa: #defocus |
| 19:54.59 | dvs | really preferred to have etch release with a 2.6.19 kernel... |
| 19:55.04 | n-iCe | done abrotman it is installing |
| 19:55.11 | n-iCe | it have finished, now? |
| 19:55.20 | abrotman | no |
| 19:55.23 | dvs | n-iCe: rebut! |
| 19:55.35 | n-iCe | abrotman: how can I uninstall the old one? |
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| 19:55.59 | dvs | n-iCe: not a good idea |
| 19:56.07 | n-iCe | why not |
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| 19:56.17 | dvs | n-iCe: in case the new one doesn't work. |
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| 19:56.28 | n-iCe | oh,o k |
| 19:56.31 | n-iCe | should I reboot then? |
| 19:56.35 | dvs | yup |
| 19:56.38 | n-iCe | brb |
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| 19:58.39 | n-iCe | done, worked guys |
| 19:58.52 | dvs | n-iCe: uname -r |
| 19:58.54 | norc | Ok. I got one step further. I mounted proc and dev, chrooted. Now grub throws filesystem unknown for each root and setup |
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| 19:59.10 | n-iCe | 2.6.25-2-686 |
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| 19:59.34 | norc | nevermind. I got it. thanks anyway |
| 20:00.01 | n-iCe | now? |
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| 20:00.31 | lisaAa | abrotman : thanks a lot :) |
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| 20:00.42 | n-iCe | abrotman: now what should I do? |
| 20:00.52 | n-iCe | uninstall, and install virtualbox again? |
| 20:01.25 | abrotman | get the linux-headers for your kernel |
| 20:01.37 | n-iCe | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:01.42 | n-iCe | that one is ok |
| 20:01.44 | n-iCe | ? |
| 20:01.45 | dvs | n-iCe: aptitude install linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 20:01.51 | n-iCe | oh |
| 20:02.05 | dvs | actuall linux-headers-2.6-686 |
| 20:02.27 | n-iCe | linux-image-$(uname -r) is done |
| 20:02.33 | n-iCe | also linux-headers-2.6-686 ? |
| 20:02.38 | dvs | yes |
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| 20:03.54 | zxxxd | does anyone know if the latest kernel has support for l2tpv3 |
| 20:04.17 | abrotman | latest kernel for what? |
| 20:04.31 | n-iCe | laptop? *G* |
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| 20:04.54 | zxxxd | abrotman l2tpv3 |
| 20:05.14 | abrotman | no .. latest kernel from kernel.org? for etch? for sid? for what? |
| 20:05.39 | zxxxd | kernel.org |
| 20:05.53 | abrotman | ask #kernel |
| 20:06.01 | zxxxd | and sid? |
| 20:06.42 | abrotman | get the kernel and look at the config |
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| 20:06.49 | abrotman | or tell us what the option is .. and maybe someone will grep it |
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| 20:07.49 | n-iCe | abrotman: done, now? |
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| 20:08.02 | abrotman | no idea .. i don't use virtualbox |
| 20:08.14 | abrotman | go back to what you were trying to do ? |
| 20:08.21 | n-iCe | ok, thakns, let's see |
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| 20:08.56 | n-iCe | how can I remove the old kernel? |
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| 20:09.21 | abrotman | finish your install first |
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| 20:10.11 | n-iCe | done, is working!! |
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| 20:10.16 | n-iCe | you did , so good |
| 20:10.28 | n-iCe | thanks abrotman and Dvs |
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| 20:12.24 | n-iCe | abrotman: now? |
| 20:12.37 | bwlang | i have an executable program /usr/local/bin/foo - it has mode 705 and is owned by root.root when i try to run it from snmpd's exec call i get a permission denied error... if i change the group from root to staff it runs fine. Why? |
| 20:12.57 | abrotman | now what? |
| 20:13.22 | n-iCe | to delete the old kernel |
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| 20:13.24 | n-iCe | ^^ |
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| 20:13.43 | jim_p | hello! |
| 20:13.48 | asoot | hey |
| 20:14.30 | asoot | what's a very simple http-proxy for debian? (i don't need special things like caching etc., it should only be anonym) |
| 20:14.55 | abrotman | squid ? |
| 20:14.57 | sarefo_home | hi, i managed to get a samba-server to work, but was wondering if there's a possibility to get symlinks to work. right now, windows can go into symlinked dirs, but won't read the file's contents. #samba is mute on sunday, that's why i'm trying my luck here :) |
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| 20:15.51 | asoot | abrotman: i think it's oversized for my needs... what about privoxy? |
| 20:15.58 | abrotman | try it |
| 20:16.40 | jim_p | i have just upgraded my kernel to 2.6.25. The 1st thing i noticed is the rise of the cpu temps for ~15oC. I googled it a bit and found out that there is indeed a problem with the 2.6.25 kernel and the coretemp module. Has anyone else experienced the same thing? |
| 20:16.54 | gkiagia | is there a way to flush all buffers from ram to empty some memory? |
| 20:17.02 | jim_p | i an on debian lenny. cpu is an inter core 2 duo e4500 |
| 20:17.20 | bwlang | gkiaga: don't bother... the system will do it for you if it needs more ram |
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| 20:17.53 | bwlang | gkiaga: free memory is not a good thing |
| 20:17.56 | gkiagia | bwlang: I know, but I need it for a kvm virtual machine. it takes much more memory from the host than it really uses |
| 20:19.32 | bwlang | gkiaga: if you get an error, then there is not enough ram youll have to end some programs. (maybe there's something special about kvm that I don't know about though) |
| 20:19.42 | wols | sharky: intel ethernet card is supported out of the box |
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| 20:20.09 | Veros | folks, I have this in fstab - //192.168.2.1/share /mnt/share cifs username=name,password=123 |
| 20:20.14 | Veros | how come it doesn't mount on boot? |
| 20:20.23 | Veros | it does mount with this command though - mount -t cifs -o username=name,password=123 //192.168.2.1/share /mnt/share |
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| 20:20.41 | abrotman | Veros: you probably want an 'auto' option |
| 20:20.53 | Veros | where? |
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| 20:21.04 | Veros | how come other devices don't have it? |
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| 20:21.20 | lilferry | Anyone got a graphical music player to recommend? |
| 20:21.28 | Lori | xmms |
| 20:21.48 | bwlang | lilferry: vlc |
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| 20:22.13 | abrotman | seriously? vlc? |
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| 20:22.30 | Lori | vlc is also good, if not the best multimedia player, but xmms resembles more to winamp |
| 20:22.32 | lilferry | vlc for music, no way |
| 20:22.33 | bwlang | simple, plays eveyything... pretty nice |
| 20:22.45 | gkiagia | bwlang: in the host, the kvm process takes 1,6 GB ram, but inside the guest (debian sid guest), the applications really take 140 MB, and I am getting out of memory on the host... :/ |
| 20:23.07 | dagnasty | lilferry: you could try songbird but its more than a music player, i dony use it as a primary player though |
| 20:23.08 | gkiagia | ram is almost full, swap is full too |
| 20:23.24 | Kevin` | gkiagia: how much ram do you have assigned to the guest |
| 20:23.26 | gkiagia | darn.. anyway, I'll reboot the guest |
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| 20:23.44 | gkiagia | Kevin`: 2GB (with 4GB physical ram on the host + 1GB swap) |
| 20:23.45 | bwlang | gkiagia: don't know about kvm... |
| 20:24.02 | Kevin` | no suprise it's using 1.6 then.. |
| 20:24.47 | Lori | xmms is outdated though |
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| 20:25.36 | gkiagia | sure... and kde takes much memory too.. Xorg too :/ I bought 4 GB ram to avoid such problems, and it still isn't enough! |
| 20:25.49 | gkiagia | anyway, thanks guys |
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| 20:30.39 | rdz | hi all. i would like to edit an binary xml file from an iphone, that was created on osx with some xml editor. is there an xml editor for binary xml files on debian as well? or is it binary xml a proprietary format? |
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| 20:31.01 | grendal_prime | mmlj4: hey i cant find docs for this dban..what does the autonuke do exactly? |
| 20:31.12 | grendal_prime | all of the drives on the machien? |
| 20:31.41 | grendal_prime | because i would like to actually see what is on the drive first before whipeing it out. |
| 20:31.55 | n-iCe | abrotman: still here? |
| 20:32.00 | grendal_prime | so i have a small debian install on the box on the primary drive... |
| 20:32.29 | jim_p | goodnight (or whatever is similar to your time there) guys, i am going to bed |
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| 20:35.06 | abrotman | yes |
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| 20:44.56 | grendal_prime | damn..takes an hour to do two disks? |
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| 20:45.50 | grendal_prime | mmlj4: these do not have ...well national secrets on them...im thinking i can just format them. |
| 20:45.56 | asoot | what's a very simple http-proxy for debian? (i don't need special things like caching etc., it should only be anonym) |
| 20:46.24 | zamba | i need some scheme to encrypt my hard drive.. the system is already running, so it would be nice with something that allows me to encrypt it after installation.. what is the "best" software tool to do this? |
| 20:46.43 | bwlang | asoot: just use squid... who cares if it has extra features... it's easy enough to configure. |
| 20:46.47 | wols | asoot: a socks proxy like danted |
| 20:47.00 | grendal_prime | I think the best your going to get is squid. |
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| 20:47.30 | grendal_prime | if i remember right there are very costly comercial products for this...that basically use squid as the backbone. |
| 20:47.58 | zap | Is this an appropiate place to ask questions about packaging? |
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| 20:48.12 | grendal_prime | for apt? |
| 20:48.14 | grendal_prime | sure |
| 20:48.15 | bwlang | zamba: you can't do it on a live system... ubuntu's installer will do it for you during installation (you have to use the alt disk) |
| 20:48.15 | zap | yes |
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| 20:48.16 | asoot | erm, squid is so oversized. i tried tinyproxy but it does not support more outgoing ip's |
| 20:48.22 | abrotman | grendal_prime: FWIW .. DBAN is very thorough |
| 20:48.36 | grendal_prime | ya...but like...i dont think i need that really |
| 20:48.41 | bwlang | zamba: consider the huge performance penalty... it's probably better to just encrypt your home dir. |
| 20:49.18 | asoot | what proxyserver can bind to more than 1 outgoing ip? so i can rotate the proxy-ip's on the client |
| 20:49.40 | grendal_prime | these are mostly over 4 years old...7 gig drives, some 30's im going to sell them at a garage sale..liek 2 bucks a piece.. |
| 20:49.43 | bwlang | asoot: squid is not oversized... it will run on a 586 with 64M of ram (see the leaf project) |
| 20:49.54 | grendal_prime | if i have to spend an hour on each one...well it hardly seems worth it. |
| 20:50.15 | grendal_prime | i just have a cabnet full of the things. |
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| 20:50.18 | abrotman | depends what is on them |
| 20:50.27 | abrotman | grendal_prime: electro-magnet? :) |
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| 20:50.42 | grendal_prime | alot of them were public access machines. |
| 20:50.53 | grendal_prime | things that just anyone could walk up to and use. |
| 20:51.12 | zap | I'm trying to package my python app. The Debian Python packaging policy suggests "pyparallel" as a example of correctly packaged python library. I apt-get it, then run dpkg-buildpackage and it fails with the same error as my package: "dpkg-genchanges: failure: cannot read files list file: No such file or directory" |
| 20:51.39 | zap | I straced it and it tries to read debian/files, however there's no such file |
| 20:51.42 | grendal_prime | wich is why i have them basically. The company that was to dispose of them knew nothing about what was on them...they didnt want anything to "bite them in the arss" later on. |
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| 20:52.30 | grendal_prime | anyway..i think im safe if i just cfdisk them delete the partions |
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| 20:53.51 | asoot | bwlang: okay, i'll give squid a try :) thx |
| 20:53.59 | Mr_Deffy_ | get a hard drive shredder |
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| 20:55.26 | Mr_Deffy_ | http://www.machine-solution.com/prodinfo.asp?number=IND+380-500 |
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| 20:57.32 | grendal_prime | its not like we have anyone around here that has the equipment (mentally or physically) to retrieve data of a deleted partion. |
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| 20:58.41 | Mr_Deffy_ | true but it's fun to operate those machines |
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| 20:59.20 | Tramp | Mr_Deffy_: will just be hard to sell the drive afterwards |
| 20:59.32 | Mr_Deffy_ | I caught myself saying "Has the Imperial Magistrate reached a verdict?" before dropping a few in |
| 20:59.52 | Mr_Deffy_ | oh come on, the HD Magnets alone are fun to play with |
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| 21:01.42 | grendal_prime | ya ha |
| 21:01.52 | grendal_prime | then there is this problem Please allow 18-20 weeks lead time. |
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| 21:02.13 | grendal_prime | we want to have the sale...well in a couple of weeks. |
| 21:02.42 | grendal_prime | my 12 hp metal eating hd killer from hell will not be here in time |
| 21:02.50 | grendal_prime | bummer |
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| 21:03.05 | grendal_prime | looks like fdisk is the tool fir this job. |
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| 21:05.12 | rootmos | i can not boot my system since initrd was updated, i just get stuck in busybox |
| 21:05.29 | rootmos | i am using lvm and md and can mount the / manualy |
| 21:05.37 | rootmos | here is a screenshot http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1166qr8.jpg |
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| 21:06.58 | peterrooney | With a new (to me) monitor, boot goes fine, but when X starts ( still fine), the virtual consoles disappear. Ctrl-Alt-F[1-6] is just blackness. Swithching back to Ctrl-Alt-F7 brings me back to X no problem, though. |
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| 21:08.06 | slackd00d | how would i go about getting the debian directory to build iceweasel? |
| 21:08.13 | slackd00d | with dpkg |
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| 21:08.51 | abrotman | !tell slackd00d about source |
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| 21:09.36 | slackd00d | abrotman: i wanted the debian directory so i could change it to build 3.0 |
| 21:10.11 | slackd00d | abrotman: nm thanks for the info |
| 21:10.33 | stanis_sh | hello. I have a problem with configuration of dp35dp intel integrated soundcard (Sigmatel). this is the output of my aplay -l and lsmod: http://pastebin.com/m43944d63 |
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| 21:10.45 | stanis_sh | the problem is that I can't hear anything. |
| 21:11.07 | bbs | if i have an experimental repo -- will it override unstable if the package is in there |
| 21:11.11 | bbs | since the package will be newwer |
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| 21:11.51 | abrotman | slackd00d: /msg dpkg ff3 .. it is ff3 if you have the rc2 |
| 21:11.57 | bwlang | bbs: you need to learn about pinning |
| 21:12.12 | bbs | bwlang , ? |
| 21:12.35 | bwlang | bbs: if you can't figure that out on your own - it's probably not a good idea to use experimental just yet... |
| 21:12.41 | stanis_sh | I really can't understand what I should do to set up sound |
| 21:13.10 | stanis_sh | I am running amd64 version of linux if it is important |
| 21:13.18 | bbs | bwlang , i just don't know debian.... |
| 21:13.24 | bbs | i'm a brand new convert |
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| 21:13.31 | qubodup | hello |
| 21:13.37 | bbs | i'm doing benchmarks with my patchset |
| 21:13.38 | bwlang | bbs: then you really shouldn't be using experimental |
| 21:13.40 | bbs | for mm |
| 21:13.50 | bbs | bwlang , i need bleeding edge for it.. |
| 21:14.02 | bbs | bwlang , i don't need my hand to be held just give me a doc and stop being condescending |
| 21:14.10 | slackd00d | abrotman: dpkg helped alot with ff3 info, thanks agian |
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| 21:14.25 | qubodup | I'm trying to build FIFE, which uses pkg-config to find out where libraries are. I'm on debian sid and sdl_ttf for some reason is not known to pkg-config, I was told I have to read a .po file. can you tell me where I would have to put that po file? |
| 21:14.30 | bwlang | bbs: dude - google debian pinning |
| 21:14.37 | bwlang | bbs: it's the first link |
| 21:14.44 | bbs | bwlang , tahnks |
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| 21:15.09 | amphi | qubodup: pkg-config uses .pc files |
| 21:15.22 | qubodup | right, sorry I mean pc files |
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| 21:15.44 | amphi | qubodup: have you install libsdl-ttf dev package? |
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| 21:16.31 | qubodup | amphi: yes |
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| 21:17.00 | qubodup | libsdl-ttf2.0-0 and the same with -dev |
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| 21:19.01 | qubodup | does anybody know where pkg-config keeps it's .pc files? |
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| 21:22.26 | LisaAaweb | Hi every one. I'm in beta test for my website and I'm looking for feedback. Is it cool if I post the url on the chan please? |
| 21:22.31 | amphi | qubodup: that seems only to install files to /usr/share/doc in any case |
| 21:22.50 | sirkit | Hi, I have a motherboard that has a sub woofer port in it, do I need anything to make it work properly in debian? |
| 21:23.07 | amphi | qubodup: the only thing I have here is sdl.pc |
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| 21:23.37 | H2S04 | hmm |
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| 21:23.56 | sirkit | it's a Asus A8N-LA |
| 21:24.43 | Nz17 | I am using NFSv3 and every time I go to cp files from the server to the client the client stalls because the server's network connection drops. However I can ifdown and ifup the server's eth0 and the server's network connection is fine again. |
| 21:25.18 | Nz17 | What could be the cause of this problem and what might I do to correct it or avoid it? |
| 21:25.25 | qubodup | amphi: pkg-config sees my sdl. and sdl_ttf-dev also installs /usr/lib/libSDL_ttf.so |
| 21:25.35 | qubodup | amphi: where is your sdl.pc file located? |
| 21:25.53 | amphi | qubodup: /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sdl.pc |
| 21:26.04 | amphi | qubodup: I'm on testing, BTW |
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| 21:26.42 | qubodup | thanks, I'll try if a copy with corrected path will solve it |
| 21:26.48 | qubodup | amphi: ^ |
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| 21:29.51 | arcsky | if my friend from a windows pc connect |
| 21:30.00 | arcsky | ups wrong chan |
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| 21:30.14 | sirkit | does debian support the c/sub output in soundcards? |
| 21:30.18 | PointyPumper | wich is the testing branch of debian? |
| 21:30.34 | PointyPumper | (i'm on etch and i wanna go to the testing branch) |
| 21:31.21 | sirkit | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 21:31.29 | amphi | !tell PointyPumper -about etch->lenny |
| 21:31.48 | arcsky | if a friend connect with putty.exe and make an ssh tunnel to my slackware debian, can i remote him with vnc over that tunnel or do he need to run a sshd on the win pc ? |
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| 21:32.15 | PointyPumper | thx |
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| 21:32.55 | bwlang | arcsky: use the putty forward feature R5900:yourwinpcipaddress:5900, then he does vnc to localhost |
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| 21:33.52 | arcsky | bwlang: you understand me wrong, i want to remote him |
| 21:34.26 | arcsky | bwlang: i wonder if thats possible or do he needs to run a ssh server ? |
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| 21:37.46 | __stress___ | I  accidentally deleted some of my /home/"user" config files and now when I type "sudo any_command" and "tab" the command so that it can be auto-completed it does not complete....otherwise when I just type the comand and tab it, it auto-copletes...what can I do? |
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| 21:39.11 | liable | removing the leading underscores from your nick would be a good start |
| 21:41.15 | __stress___ | I'm using them so that it may not be the same as any other :D...but the..do you have any suggestion to my problem? |
| 21:41.22 | sirkit | does debian support the c/sub output in soundcards? |
| 21:41.35 | stanis_sh | why alsamixer needs pulseaudio? |
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| 21:43.21 | liable | __stress___: well, its annoying as hell to even respond to you (you make us hit four keys to tab complete you nick), so dont expect too much |
| 21:43.24 | abrotman | __stress___: please go to #ubuntu |
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| 21:43.52 | Chocobo | Well I got it to work with a reinstall. |
| 21:43.52 | Chocobo | :/ |
| 21:43.58 | Chocobo | Not sure what was wrong before. |
| 21:44.31 | Chocobo | Is this the best way to do nvidia drivers: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 21:44.37 | liable | its 6am, should i bother sleeping? |
| 21:44.50 | sirkit | thanks for ignoring me |
| 21:44.52 | Chocobo | probably not |
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| 21:45.02 | liable | aww |
| 21:45.37 | dagnasty | Chocobo: for either non-free or free yes thats the best method of doing it |
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| 21:45.50 | Chocobo | ok, cool. thanks. |
| 21:46.22 | Chocobo | [ 2.656174] end_request: I/O error, dev sr0, sector 467096 |
| 21:46.22 | Chocobo | [ 2.656174] Buffer I/O error on device sr0, logical block 116774 |
| 21:46.44 | Chocobo | I get a fair amount of those when booting... any ideas on them? Some sort of hard drive issue? |
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| 21:46.52 | liable | sr0? |
| 21:47.00 | infotron | Chocobo: is that an ubuntu kernel? |
| 21:47.09 | Chocobo | infotron, |
| 21:47.11 | Chocobo | nope |
| 21:47.22 | infotron | did you compile it yourself? |
| 21:47.29 | liable | wtf is sr0? |
| 21:47.40 | infotron | sr is scsi rom aka cd/dvd drive |
| 21:47.46 | Chocobo | vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-686 |
| 21:47.52 | Chocobo | from unstable |
| 21:48.05 | Chocobo | Nope, I _just_ installed from the minicd |
| 21:48.10 | infotron | well sr0 isn't a harddisk, so it's not a harddisk issue. |
| 21:48.26 | Chocobo | Hm |
| 21:48.53 | Chocobo | [ 2.549652] sr0: scsi3-mmc drive: 8x/48x writer dvd-ram cd/rw xa/form2 cdda tray |
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| 21:50.00 | Chocobo | my dvd-burner |
| 21:50.04 | SparFux | Is it advisable to use the torrent apt plugin? |
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| 21:50.38 | hellues | !paste |
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| 21:50.39 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:50.55 | abrotman | !tell hellues about msg the bot |
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| 21:52.27 | frank_white_ | how should I mount a nfs share with fstab such that a user X can read/write it |
| 21:52.27 | Foskasse | http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/gj32.gif LOL! |
| 21:53.34 | Chocobo | brb |
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| 21:56.52 | BRUUH | Oi bruuh |
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| 21:57.33 | BRUUH | arram parece triih |
| 21:57.36 | abrotman | !es |
| 21:57.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:58.21 | rdz | hi all. is there an easy way to check, if any file in a certain directory tree was modified or added? |
| 21:59.10 | rdz | evolution is downloading my mails, but they don't appear in the application. i wonder, whether they are stored on harddisk at all. |
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| 22:00.21 | mmlj4 | rdd``: stat filename |
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| 22:00.38 | mmlj4 | er, rdz |
| 22:00.40 | deepy | I setup a chroot enviroment with debootstrap |
| 22:00.45 | deepy | How do I get applications to work in there? |
| 22:00.55 | deepy | Err, X* |
| 22:00.57 | Sanitoeter | hey, is it possible to lock a package so that apt does not update it? |
| 22:00.59 | deepy | Applications using X |
| 22:01.06 | rdz | mmlj4, thanks |
| 22:01.33 | abrotman | !tell Sanitoeter about hold |
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| 22:01.50 | TicK | Whats some good software to use to stream video from my linux supported tv tuner card? |
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| 22:02.30 | Sanitoeter | thanks abrotman :) |
| 22:02.36 | rdz | TicK, xawtv, mythtv |
| 22:02.51 | TicK | hmm |
| 22:03.01 | TicK | would i be able to use clients on windows to see the stream? |
| 22:03.13 | TicK | i seem to remember vlc being able to do something like this |
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| 22:03.32 | TicK | use linux vlc on the server end, windows vlc on the windows end |
| 22:03.34 | Greyscale | Haha, Won't do that again |
| 22:03.34 | Greyscale | AltGr + PrintScreen + O. wierd. |
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| 22:05.36 | rdz | TicK, sorry, i misunderstood, what you meant by streaming |
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| 22:09.48 | el1111te | sup all |
| 22:10.55 | el1111te | apt-listbugs |
| 22:11.15 | deepy | I got a application installed inside a debootstrapped chroot enviroment |
| 22:11.44 | deepy | It's a X application so I want the application to show up in my X server (which is outside of the chroot) |
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| 22:13.43 | vjoe | hello, I have installed ssh on my debian machine and I'm trying to connect to it using my arch laptop |
| 22:14.03 | vjoe | however when I type "ssh <hostname>" |
| 22:14.19 | vjoe | it says it couldn't resolve hostname: name or service not known |
| 22:14.35 | rdz | vjoe, that is a networking problem |
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| 22:14.55 | rdz | vjoe, do you know the ip-address of the ssh-server? |
| 22:15.02 | vjoe | sure, let me try |
| 22:15.16 | lilferry | anyone know if you can run an existing windows install (not installed using vb) in virtualbox? |
| 22:15.47 | vjoe | rdz, I think it worked :D |
| 22:15.51 | doublehp_ | in icewassel, how do I say to automatically restaure cession (without prompting question) after a crash ? |
| 22:15.52 | amphi | lilferry: dunno about vbox, qemu can boot a real partition |
| 22:15.52 | rdz | lilferry, i am not an expert, but as far as i recall, this isn't working |
| 22:15.57 | vjoe | but why can't it work with the hostname? |
| 22:16.23 | vjoe | yay!! |
| 22:16.35 | vjoe | how do I quit now? :P |
| 22:16.50 | rdz | lilferry, the problem is, that it uses a special set of drivers for the windows on virtual box, this wouldn't work withtthe drivers you have installed on your installed windows |
| 22:16.57 | rdz | vjoe, exit |
| 22:17.07 | vjoe | good |
| 22:17.17 | doublehp_ | vjoe: /quit ? |
| 22:17.18 | vjoe | let me try sshfs now |
| 22:17.31 | rdz | vjoe, it doesn't work with the hostname, because it seems your local box cannot resolve the server host name |
| 22:17.41 | vjoe | "local box?" |
| 22:17.48 | vjoe | that's a issue of the modem, router, pc? |
| 22:17.57 | rdz | vjoe, i mean, the computer, where you're stting at |
| 22:18.03 | vjoe | ah, my laptop |
| 22:18.07 | rdz | vjoe, could be anything |
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| 22:18.11 | vjoe | the client. right? |
| 22:18.17 | rdz | router or your isp.. |
| 22:18.24 | vjoe | soah riht |
| 22:18.29 | vjoe | ah right* |
| 22:18.30 | rdz | vjoe, is it a public server? |
| 22:18.40 | vjoe | nop, it's my desktop pc |
| 22:19.07 | vjoe | but the way, when I executed the command, it said the autheticity of the host couldn't be established |
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| 22:19.19 | rdz | vjoe, ah.. i think, you would have to run a domain name server somewhere in order to resolve the host name of your server |
| 22:19.33 | vjoe | and how do I encrypt the data? |
| 22:19.44 | rdz | vjoe, that is because you logged in the first time |
| 22:19.50 | vjoe | my network is WPA protected already |
| 22:19.56 | vjoe | is it enough? |
| 22:19.58 | rdz | vjoe, next time you won see this message anymore |
| 22:20.02 | amphi | vjoe: or at least add it/them to your /etc/hosts |
| 22:20.12 | rdz | vjoe, everything you do over ssh is encrypted anyway |
| 22:20.16 | vjoe | amphi, the script already did it |
| 22:20.26 | rdz | amphi, ah, thanks.. i didn't know of that |
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| 22:20.57 | vjoe | argh but sshfs still doesn't work! |
| 22:21.03 | vjoe | "connection reset by peer" :( |
| 22:21.26 | rdz | vjoe, you're using the same ip address like before? |
| 22:21.55 | vjoe | i tried the hostname again :P |
| 22:21.57 | vjoe | I forgot |
| 22:21.59 | vjoe | thanks |
| 22:22.26 | doublehp_ | vjoe: fill file "hosts" to avoid resolution problems |
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| 22:22.48 | doublehp_ | vjoe: it's in /etc in linux, and in some c:/Windows/System for alt os ... |
| 22:23.06 | vjoe | nah, I don't use windows |
| 22:23.22 | vjoe | although I use it to play age of empires some times :P |
| 22:23.22 | doublehp_ | vjoe: any time some service fails, before comlpaining, start ping the machine |
| 22:23.36 | vjoe | right |
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| 22:23.54 | vjoe | I will check that hosts file now |
| 22:23.56 | doublehp_ | in icewassel, how do I say to automatically restaure cession (without prompting question) after a crash ? |
| 22:25.29 | vjoe | I've just edited it, thanks for the tip! |
| 22:26.04 | vjoe | hm.. do I have to restart? |
| 22:26.11 | vjoe | it still can't resolve it |
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| 22:27.29 | rdz | vjoe, i am not sure, if it helps in this particular case, but you might try to re-open your terminal or start a new bash |
| 22:27.45 | vjoe | I think it has to do with the service |
| 22:27.46 | zyx386 | how to install FF3 on lenny? |
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| 22:27.59 | vjoe | zyx386, you have to have a mixed system |
| 22:28.02 | vjoe | and grab it from unstable |
| 22:28.13 | H2S04 | omg not mixed |
| 22:28.26 | vjoe | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html |
| 22:28.27 | rdz | vjoe, yeah.. likely, but i don't know which server is running it.. |
| 22:28.28 | vjoe | check 3.8 |
| 22:28.30 | zyx386 | vjoe, can i or not? if i can how? |
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| 22:28.47 | quagga | zyx386: apt-get install iceweasel? |
| 22:28.51 | vjoe | zyx386, you can, I had one for more than a year and never had problems |
| 22:28.54 | rdz | vjoe, probabl: /etc/init.d/networking restart as root? |
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| 22:29.24 | zyx386 | quagga, i say iceweasel 3 or FF3 |
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| 22:29.40 | quagga | zyx386: iceweasel3 is in lenny |
| 22:29.51 | vjoe | ah ok, I didn't know it :P |
| 22:29.57 | vjoe | not using debian since friday eheh |
| 22:30.07 | quagga | its rc2. it landed two or 3 days ago i believe |
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| 22:30.29 | vjoe | until friday rc2 was only in the unstable repository |
| 22:30.42 | vjoe | zyx386, if it's in unstable then you don't need a mixed system |
| 22:30.54 | vjoe | i mean, if it's in testing |
| 22:31.10 | zyx386 | ff3 isn't testing more |
| 22:31.25 | brick | in which part of the system do i set up my keyboard for typing accented characters, the meta key and so on? i seem to recall this being part of X, but i also think it worked on the console... any references appreciated! thanks |
| 22:31.29 | vjoe | I mean, in testing's repository |
| 22:31.30 | abrotman | FF3 is already in lenny |
| 22:31.32 | vjoe | testing=lenny |
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| 22:36.17 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 22:39.23 | Joelito | anyone here have problems with Iceweasel 3.0 RC2? I'm asking because I'm going to install in a pc debian testing and I just wonder if there's bugs on it. |
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| 22:39.44 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org/iceweasel |
| 22:39.46 | hatter | where would the squid cache dir be if its not in /var/spool/squid ? |
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| 22:41.47 | mquin | hatter: "grep cache_dir /etc/squid/squid.conf" should tell you |
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| 22:43.14 | hatter | mquin, my squid.conf file does not assign the cache directory |
| 22:43.23 | hatter | so imagine it should be at default location |
| 22:43.26 | hatter | but it isnt |
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| 22:45.43 | mquin | hatter: take a look at the cache_log and see if it reports what it's using when squid starts, or try running "squid -z" to recreate the cache directories |
| 22:46.12 | mmlj4 | hatter: you have to assign a directory, then prepare it |
| 22:47.27 | hatter | I found it, its on the other RAID, I must have assigned it before cleaning up my squid.conf file, but then didnt declare it in the squid.conf file, |
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| 22:48.27 | deepy | How do I get gdm to start a server on vt9 instead of vt7? |
| 22:48.36 | deepy | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot-x I followed that |
| 22:48.38 | deepy | And it still does :D |
| 22:48.42 | hatter | mquin, mmlj4 thx |
| 22:51.06 | hatter | I am currently confused why my / directory is 18G full but i can only count around 3 or 4 Gb i nused space... |
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| 22:51.56 | unseensoul | hi |
| 22:52.39 | deepy | It gave the usual GDM keeps crashing |
| 22:53.07 | sladi | deepy: I'm glad I don't use it. ^^ |
| 22:53.45 | unseensoul | is it possible to set up an email server for email delivery purposes only without a registered domain? |
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| 22:54.44 | mmlj4 | hatter: df -h |
| 22:55.05 | mmlj4 | du -h /path/to/directory |
| 22:55.16 | sladi | deepy: if you're not using gnome that is. |
| 22:55.54 | hatter | mmlj4, i did that on each directory in the / and can only count 3 or 4 Gb |
| 22:56.21 | deepy | sladi: huh? |
| 22:57.59 | doublehp_ | hatter: can you put in some pastebin: df -h ; df -i ; mount ; fdisk -l /dev/<yourdisk> |
| 22:58.21 | sladi | deepy: sorry, I recently tried to autostart some things when logging in and apparently that's pretty hard to do without using gnome (you need the gnome configuration panel I guess). I don't use gnome ^^. I'm new to linux and just found out that I can live without any graphical login manager. |
| 22:58.40 | deepy | Well on a sidenote, I got a owrking system setup |
| 22:58.46 | deepy | I setup another working system inside a chroot |
| 22:58.52 | deepy | And now I'm trying to get X for that to run on vt8 |
| 22:58.57 | deepy | While I still got my normal sys on vt7 |
| 22:59.14 | hatter | doublehp_, the / direcotry is on /dev/md0 and has 18714176 used |
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| 22:59.42 | doublehp_ | hatter: paste still me commands other than fdisk |
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| 23:01.38 | doublehp_ | how do i make vim remeber the line number so that I come back at the same point when reopening files ? |
| 23:01.40 | hatter | doublehp_, http://pastebin.com/m289a4853 |
| 23:01.54 | LOLZebra | that's a secret |
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| 23:02.54 | abrotman | doublehp_: ask #vim |
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| 23:03.39 | doublehp_ | hatter: you did hand copy, instead of copy/pasted => you inserted human risk of error ... and, as always, ... human made a mistake: you forgot semicol between -i and mount |
| 23:03.56 | doublehp_ | hatter: mouse copy never make this kind of mistakes |
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| 23:04.26 | qubodup | hello |
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| 23:05.11 | qubodup | I'm on sid and had problems with compiling. often standard libraries had to be included before I was able to compile. although normaly one shouldn't have to include the libs.. anyone knowing what might be up? |
| 23:05.49 | n-iCe | how do I change my wireless channel? |
| 23:05.57 | hatter | doublehp_, http://pastebin.com/m1b20af7f |
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| 23:08.58 | TehMarz | Hm. How easy is it to install Gnome 2.22 on Debian 4.0? |
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| 23:09.46 | doublehp_ | hatter: cd / ; du -lsh `ls / | grep -v lib | grep -v media | grep -v prox | grep -v sys | grep -v dev | grep -v storage` |
| 23:10.29 | mmlj4 | hatter: ls -lah / |
| 23:10.38 | mmlj4 | see if there are hidden directories in / |
| 23:10.39 | abrotman | TehMarz: probably not easy at all |
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| 23:11.21 | slackd00d | i have a repo for deluge-torrent nightly builds but i don't have a gpg key so it says its unsecure. is there a howto on setting a gpg key up for my repo? |
| 23:11.31 | doublehp_ | mmlj4: does ext3 support ADS ? |
| 23:11.40 | hatter | mmlj4, .rnd and .vmware |
| 23:11.40 | mmlj4 | no clue |
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| 23:12.02 | mmlj4 | hatter: so find out how much is in those directories? |
| 23:12.35 | doublehp_ | mmlj4: a friend wrote a security advisory against all Windows using NTFS, because no actual virus scanner checks for ADS :) |
| 23:12.44 | hatter | mmlj4, they are empty |
| 23:13.07 | mmlj4 | i'm out of suggestions at this point |
| 23:13.14 | TehMarz | abrotman: I see. What about just Nautilus? Simple, or difficult, would you say? |
| 23:13.14 | doublehp_ | mmlj4: he shown me how to write an ADS compliant virus using just DOS command in 5 mn :) |
| 23:13.23 | mmlj4 | are you counting swap? cat /etc/fstab |
| 23:13.30 | teamcobra | doublehp_, and I know a couple remote admin tool writers that use ADS for that exact reason... scary, eh? |
| 23:13.49 | doublehp_ | mmlj4: so, when you talk about hidden in /, I think about ADS ... that could hide stolen volume, stolen in a way that df could forget them |
| 23:13.51 | mmlj4 | doublehp_: again, i have no idea what you are asking about |
| 23:13.58 | abrotman | TehMarz: same issues .. IIRC .22 wants gtk 2.10 .. etch has 2.8 or something like that |
| 23:14.03 | doublehp_ | teamcobra: seducing :) |
| 23:14.10 | zwox | hi |
| 23:14.11 | zwox | again |
| 23:14.38 | doublehp_ | mmlj4: ADS are an other way to hide large volume of datas |
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| 23:14.53 | TehMarz | abrotman: Ah, okay, thanks. |
| 23:15.02 | teamcobra | doublehp_, http://poisonivy-rat.com is one of them.... 8k unpacked, 4k packed.... terrifiying, I could only get KAV to detect it (and not so after changing the way it hooked) |
| 23:15.22 | teamcobra | but what an accomplishment in asm (the server part anyways) |
| 23:15.23 | mmlj4 | hatter: one more idea... fdisk to see if all partitions are allocated, and correspond with fstab |
| 23:15.38 | doublehp_ | teamcobra: why did not any black hat use them yet ? |
| 23:15.54 | zwox | i have some trouble with Xorg, it starts normaly, and then when i stop it, it stops without any problem, but it doesn't start again, and the Xorg process use 99% of the core, and it can't be killed. any idea ? |
| 23:16.02 | teamcobra | double: they have been... the example I gave you has been around for about 5 years, but ads was added last year |
| 23:16.06 | hatter | I have found what happened. /mnt is full, which i didnt check at first because nothing should be in there, but i have an rsync backup that syncs to /mnt/sdb. however it wasn't mounted. so rsync created the directory in /mnt. |
| 23:16.13 | doublehp_ | teamcobra: maybe security softwares are waiting for a new virus that would crash 99% of internet before changing mentality :) |
| 23:16.22 | teamcobra | hence why I don't run windows, and haven't for about 12 years |
| 23:16.43 | teamcobra | well..... the way most av's work is flawed to begin w/ (signature checking) |
| 23:16.44 | hatter | how can i have rsync try the disk instead of the location ? |
| 23:16.46 | doublehp_ | hatter: thats a point i thought about; did you find it with my command ? |
| 23:17.17 | teamcobra | and heuristics can only go so far in its current state... I almost think windows would greatly benefit from av's that whitelist and not blacklist ;p ;p ;p |
| 23:17.21 | hatter | doublehp_, no i used, 'du -ch /mnt | grep total' on each directory |
| 23:17.42 | teamcobra | I will continue this in #debian-offtopic, if interested ;) |
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| 23:17.54 | doublehp_ | hatter: after this kind of command, you shall check one by one each of rejected directories that were not scanned, and that are not 100% virtual: proc and sys are 100% virtual, dev is not; i rejected lib because it contains mounted dir; you should then enter, and make again an "intelligent" scan. |
| 23:17.55 | hatter | there must be an easier way, someone no of a pgm to check disk space summary on each directory ? |
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| 23:18.34 | hatter | doublehp_, this is what i did, i went through each one in a little script |
| 23:18.48 | brick | hatter, du -sc |
| 23:19.05 | doublehp_ | hatter: my command would have sho this, because, since you did not have anything in /mnt, i did not reject it. if you had, i d have reject, and make a second scan later on |
| 23:19.06 | teamcobra | write a script to "ls -l | grep total" in each dir, maybe? |
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| 23:19.42 | teamcobra | maybe tweak bash a bit, so the directory and total size are on the same line |
| 23:19.48 | hatter | du -sc is good |
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| 23:20.06 | doublehp_ | hatter: note that, not rejecting some dir can be a serious problems: couting NFS servers can exhaust network; some frigile systems may crash when scanning sys or proc. |
| 23:20.14 | hatter | doublehp_, teamcobra, brick, thx |
| 23:20.24 | brick | i like -h too |
| 23:20.28 | teamcobra | hatter: no prob |
| 23:20.39 | hatter | oh yeah, i like -h also |
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| 23:20.43 | doublehp_ | hatter: so, basicaly: cd / du -lsh * ... plus restrictinos |
| 23:21.04 | hatter | doublehp_, perfect |
| 23:21.09 | teamcobra | I'd bet a quick and dirty perl script could whip the hell out of your problem as well ;p ;p |
| 23:21.30 | teamcobra | (or at least provide sanity checking to restrict 'bad' directories) |
| 23:21.32 | deepy | I setup a chroot enviroment using debootstrap and copied over my xorg.conf |
| 23:21.40 | deepy | But X gives me a No devices detected :( |
| 23:22.13 | deepy | How do I solve it? |
| 23:22.20 | hatter | du -lsh * is a problem with nfs mounts ? |
| 23:23.08 | el1111te | i have a friend i just sold an ati x1950 pro to...can debian output to TV through its s-video out |
| 23:23.23 | el1111te | can it do s-video ot hdtv out |
| 23:24.06 | doublehp_ | el1111te: this is not debian specific question: if windows can, linux can. => check manufacturer website |
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| 23:25.42 | el1111te | im asking if anyone uses thier 7pin tv-out on thier vcard |
| 23:26.02 | el1111te | and no....windows can do alot more then linux can in some ways |
| 23:26.11 | el1111te | games first of all |
| 23:26.18 | el1111te | at high frame rates |
| 23:26.44 | deepy | el1111te: that's not doing more than Linux can |
| 23:26.53 | deepy | If you think of it that way, Linux can do things that Windows can't even dream of |
| 23:26.54 | el1111te | in your opinion |
| 23:27.05 | deepy | That's performing better |
| 23:27.12 | el1111te | that is why i SAID windows can do some things better |
| 23:27.19 | el1111te | i didnt say ALL |
| 23:27.28 | el1111te | but anyhow please dont side track me |
| 23:27.40 | deepy | Generally Linux can do everything Windows can, and more |
| 23:27.41 | el1111te | i just want to know about tv-out on the x1950 pro |
| 23:27.57 | el1111te | deepy you dont need to try and sell me linux |
| 23:28.02 | el1111te | i been using it since 1999 |
| 23:28.05 | teamcobra | el1111te, I'm betting it works w/ the fglrx driver for the radeon, yeah |
| 23:28.07 | deepy | Good thing, since I'm not selling it |
| 23:28.27 | el1111te | teamcobra i hope so. |
| 23:28.29 | TehMarz | el1111te: I use a Turing Machine - it can do anything Windows can do... |
| 23:28.40 | el1111te | i sold him that card telling him he could hook it to his tv |
| 23:28.41 | teamcobra | and when I say "betting," I mean "really damned sure" |
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| 23:28.58 | teamcobra | I have a 780g here that outputs through the hdmi w/ the fglrx drivers |
| 23:28.58 | el1111te | sweet |
| 23:29.03 | trinux | el1111te: when a game is designed for windows, because microsoft offers them a framework to use in form of directx, then you can hardly compare the performance or quality of linux games |
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| 23:29.23 | teamcobra | (onboard 3200hd, smokes) |
| 23:29.27 | el1111te | trinux gaming is most important to me |
| 23:29.34 | el1111te | i use windows 90% of the time |
| 23:29.42 | el1111te | just because of that |
| 23:29.43 | teamcobra | but.... to be honest, I pull better framerates in a lot of win/linux games under linux |
| 23:29.55 | el1111te | yea to be hinest say its fucking openGL |
| 23:29.58 | teamcobra | el1111te, check out blender.... and make a wicked game |
| 23:30.10 | el1111te | directx game you wont |
| 23:30.15 | teamcobra | http://apricot.blender.org |
| 23:30.25 | teamcobra | farcry plays a LOT faster on this machine in wine |
| 23:30.27 | el1111te | i know about wine and cedega |
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| 23:30.38 | teamcobra | and I can turn a lot more of the details up (only a geforce 6150go) |
| 23:30.38 | el1111te | you cant convince me linux gaming is better |
| 23:30.41 | el1111te | i already know |
| 23:30.49 | abrotman | !enter |
| 23:30.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 23:30.59 | trinux | !space |
| 23:30.59 | dpkg | from memory, space is the final frontier. or home. or something you wish you had in your SUV. |
| 23:31.36 | teamcobra | well, in farcry/ut2004 (really the newest games this POS card can handle w/ everything turned up), wine 1.0 _smoked_ xp sp3 w/ the newest nvidia drivers on both |
| 23:31.44 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:31.44 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:31.46 | trinux | funny what stuff dpkg knows when you ask it for acronyms |
| 23:31.46 | el1111te | is kde and gnome both on dvd1 |
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| 23:32.04 | trinux | el1111te: yeah |
| 23:32.06 | PiousMinion | gotta love how rescue mode doesn't support encrypted LVM volumes. :( |
| 23:32.15 | el1111te | thanks |
| 23:33.10 | el1111te | i will need to edit aplay.c and recompile it...does debian have signatures for that stuff or does it compile regularly |
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| 23:34.46 | teamcobra | el1111te, nothing will stop you from recompiling it w/ your changes, no :) |
| 23:34.46 | el1111te | anyone? |
| 23:34.53 | el1111te | ok thanks |
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| 23:35.49 | el1111te | i been seeing stuff that has signatures for each file and wasnt sure what that stuff was....was hoping its not like vista driver signatures stuff |
| 23:36.27 | abrotman | debsums |
| 23:36.32 | el1111te | ah ok |
| 23:36.43 | teamcobra | el1111te, nope, just signatures you can use to make sure that you aren't getting modified packages, and that they're the same as the source |
| 23:36.52 | teamcobra | so nobody backdoors your debs :) |
| 23:37.00 | el1111te | sweet |
| 23:37.11 | el1111te | apt-get has ruined me btw |
| 23:37.15 | abrotman | el1111te: there is a package called 'debsums' that can check md5sums of files in the system |
| 23:37.15 | el1111te | just to let you all know |
| 23:38.18 | teamcobra | el1111te, it is the best :) and the only package manager that _downloads everything first_ (WHY can't other distro's just 'get' that?) anyway, I'll be hanging in #debian-offtopic ;) |
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| 23:40.54 | el1111te | aight |
| 23:40.57 | el1111te | thanks for the info |
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| 23:44.00 | deepy | I setup a chroot enviroment using debootstrap and copied over my xorg.conf |
| 23:44.02 | deepy | But X gives me a No devices detected :( |
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| 23:49.45 | abrotman | deepy: don't know |
| 23:50.03 | deepy | ack |
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| 23:51.07 | abrotman | deepy: i'd guess the chroot needs access to some of the system files |
| 23:51.23 | deepy | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-chroot-x |
| 23:51.31 | deepy | I used that as a reference |
| 23:52.03 | abrotman | deepy: paste your whole X log from the chroot |
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| 23:53.20 | deepy | http://rafb.net/p/64S4PH80.html |
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| 23:54.38 | pothibo | Hi, I'm trying to configure cups properly and I used Listen 192.168.0.*:631 to have the web apps available over the local network but now I have an issue because it says bad address when I restart cupsys any idea on how to achieve that ? |
| 23:54.55 | abrotman | deepy: it tells you that :1 doesn't exist |
| 23:55.22 | deepy | Oh, I thought the No devices available was the problem |
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