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| 00:01.36 | mral3x | hello .... i'm in debian unstable and when i do apt-get upgrade it halts on portmap update .... i've tried to remove it and install it again but it halts on stopping portmap .... what can i do ? |
| 00:16.45 | deepy | I got a AMD64 architecture, I want iceape/firefox with flash. what do I do :p? |
| 00:16.46 | doublehp_ | mral3x: upgrade with service OFF; uninstall, or shutit down yourself |
| 00:16.46 | doublehp_ | mral3x: or, remove the ervice from runlevel, and reboot |
| 00:16.46 | abrotman | deepy: your chroot doesn't need to run X for that |
| 00:16.47 | deepy | hah |
| 00:16.47 | deepy | I feel silly now then |
| 00:16.47 | deepy | But it would still be cool to have both KDE and GNOME running at the same time |
| 00:16.47 | deepy | But well, I made a chroot with i386 installed iceweasel+firefox+libflash-mozplugin |
| 00:16.48 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 00:16.48 | dpkg | i guess nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages. |
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| 00:16.49 | dolphin_noel | brb |
| 00:16.49 | deepy | I got contrib, yet no nspluginwrapper |
| 00:16.50 | deepy | And lenny |
| 00:16.50 | mral3x | doublehp_: i tried portmap stop and the upgrade ... everytime something tries to change the files from portmap it's getting blocked |
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| 00:16.51 | deepy | Nothing with apt-file either |
| 00:16.53 | doublehp_ | mral3x: try to remove the package |
| 00:16.53 | mral3x | with apt-get ? |
| 00:16.53 | doublehp_ | mral3x: otheriwse, update portmap specifically: aptitude install portmap |
| 00:16.53 | deepy | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 00:16.53 | deepy | Is there anything wrong with that? |
| 00:16.53 | PiousMinion | I have a delema. The etch installer/kernel doesn't support my usb media to install to and the latest lenny installer doesn't seem to include the grub bootloader. Suggestions? |
| 00:16.54 | doublehp_ | apt-get remove portmap |
| 00:16.55 | mral3x | it doesn't work |
| 00:16.55 | mral3x | it halts on "stopping portmap" |
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| 00:16.56 | doublehp_ | mral3x: even if stopped manually ? |
| 00:16.56 | mral3x | even if i do kill -9 pid |
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| 00:16.56 | TehMarz | For some reason, updating linux-image-2.6.18-6-486 from etch1 to etch6 stops rhythmbox from being able to play music. Anyone know why that would be? |
| 00:16.57 | doublehp_ | mral3x: killing cant do: killing wont remove the PID file; that's specifically the thing that mus not be done in your case :) |
| 00:16.57 | doublehp_ | mral3x: after kill -9, you must now start and stop the service over, to ask init/system scripts remove the pid fuile, and store the apropriate state :) |
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| 00:16.57 | doublehp_ | mral3x: try to stop the service, remove it from runlevel, then reboot |
| 00:16.57 | mral3x | ok .. i'll try |
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| 00:16.57 | mral3x | which runlevel is it ? |
| 00:16.57 | doublehp_ | TehMarz: what about other music programs ? |
| 00:16.58 | doublehp_ | mral3x: runlevel will tell you :=) |
| 00:16.58 | doublehp_ | mral3x: usually: cd /etc/rc2.d/ ; mv S20portmapx K20portmapd |
| 00:16.58 | doublehp_ | or similar |
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| 00:16.59 | doublehp_ | no, it's 18 |
| 00:16.59 | Nakjeido2 | anyone can suggest an easy to use mail daemon? |
| 00:16.59 | doublehp_ | Nakjeido2: to receive or send ? |
| 00:16.59 | doublehp_ | Nakjeido2: exim and postfix are nice |
| 00:16.59 | mral3x | yes .... it's 18 |
| 00:16.59 | TehMarz | doublehp_: No - others are fine. It seems to attempt to begin each song at a vast number of hours, minutes, and seconds in. |
| 00:16.59 | mral3x | rebooting now |
| 00:16.59 | mral3x | brb |
| 00:17.00 | doublehp_ | time for me to run away before he comes back ^^ |
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| 00:17.18 | mral3x | don't know how but portmap is running again |
| 00:17.51 | Pa1n | Anyone know how to install wine on etch? |
| 00:17.59 | rsk | Pa1n: winehq.org |
| 00:18.07 | Pa1n | I did that |
| 00:18.11 | rsk | Pa1n: there's a packages for etch there |
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| 00:18.17 | Pa1n | Ok |
| 00:18.27 | doublehp_ | mral3x: do you use nfs ? |
| 00:18.50 | mral3x | i don't .... |
| 00:18.54 | doublehp_ | mral3x: portmap wont start unless something depends on it |
| 00:19.14 | mral3x | i just installed debian so nfs may be started |
| 00:19.16 | doublehp_ | mral3x: if you removed the start script from curent runlevel, it should not start |
| 00:19.25 | Pa1n | Also the KDE I installed won't work, or I did something wrong |
| 00:19.41 | doublehp_ | mral3x: anyway, now, what happen if you stop it the clean way ? /etc/init/d/portmap stop |
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| 00:20.17 | mral3x | it halts |
| 00:20.29 | doublehp_ | mral3x: plz quote my nick |
| 00:20.38 | doublehp_ | and give back prompt ? |
| 00:20.38 | mral3x | doublehp_: ok |
| 00:21.04 | mral3x | doublehp_: no , it's just stays like this "Stopping portmap daemon..." |
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| 00:21.42 | PiousMinion | How do I limit how much data apt keeps in it's archive? /var/cache/apt/archive keeps filling up my drive. |
| 00:21.54 | deepy | Use aptitude instead |
| 00:22.00 | deepy | I heard it deletes the files after it's done |
| 00:22.30 | PiousMinion | idk why aptitude exists. Isn't it just a reinvention of the wheel? |
| 00:22.57 | teamcobra | PiousMinion, I caught myself asking the same thing last night |
| 00:23.35 | deepy | I thought it was an upgraded apt-get |
| 00:23.48 | abrotman | PiousMinion: there's an apt.conf item |
| 00:24.16 | deepy | or Opera browser (i.e., /usr/lib/mozilla): /usr/lib/mozilla |
| 00:24.17 | deepy | WARNING: Please enter a valid installation path. |
| 00:24.18 | deepy | :( |
| 00:24.27 | mral3x | doublehp_: i removed nfs-common exim and portmap was already removed from the runlevel ... i'll reboot and see if it starts again |
| 00:25.49 | pothibo | Trying to add a Samsung Printer but it seems Debian doesn't ships with any Samsung Driver... any idea where I can find that package ? |
| 00:25.55 | Nakjeido2 | doublehp_; to send |
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| 00:26.36 | mral3x | it's annoying ... portmap it's still running |
| 00:26.55 | doublehp_ | mral3x: did you uninstall the pack ? |
| 00:26.59 | vjoe | bye |
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| 00:27.15 | PiousMinion | abrotman: thanks for the apt.conf pointer |
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| 00:27.21 | Pa1n | Also, my sound doesn't work |
| 00:27.21 | mral3x | doublehp_: i told you .. i can't |
| 00:27.46 | mral3x | everytime it tries to stop it it halts |
| 00:27.56 | doublehp_ | mral3x: ok; rename the /etc/init/d script |
| 00:28.16 | doublehp_ | if not enough, rename the binary, and reboot :) |
| 00:28.52 | Nakjeido2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.56 | deepy | (iceape-bin:5072): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 00:29.18 | doublehp_ | mral3x: rename the service, then the binary |
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| 00:29.55 | mral3x | i renamed the service |
| 00:30.02 | mral3x | i'll reboot and see if it works |
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| 00:32.54 | Paddy_EIRE | hey guys I am wondering if there is a Mepis package maintainer about in here or someone involved with packaging for Mepis 7 |
| 00:33.32 | abrotman | Paddy_EIRE: uh .. #mepis ? |
| 00:33.43 | Paddy_EIRE | kinda vacant |
| 00:34.07 | Paddy_EIRE | nm.. I will await a reply from the mailing list |
| 00:35.22 | Nakjeido2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:35.48 | Paddy_EIRE | what are you doing exactly to get that message Nakjeido2 |
| 00:37.20 | Nakjeido2 | 'exim email@gmail.com' and I enter a message and end it with a . |
| 00:37.24 | Nakjeido2 | and this appears in the log file |
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| 00:39.04 | infernix | does anyone know of a good, stable motherboard with PCI-X slots that supports two Opteron 250s? I have a Tyan S2895 board and it |
| 00:39.18 | infernix | 's horribly unstable on linux, notably its SATA, firewire and USB ports |
| 00:39.32 | abrotman | infernix: #hardware |
| 00:39.36 | abrotman | erm .. ##hardware |
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| 00:40.06 | Pa1n | I installed KDE, kdm, and it's not working, any sugguestions? |
| 00:40.39 | abrotman | check your X logs |
| 00:40.47 | Pa1n | Uh? |
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| 00:40.58 | Paddy_EIRE | not working is kinda vague Pa1n |
| 00:41.03 | Pa1n | Like |
| 00:41.10 | Pa1n | Well idk what I'm looking for |
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| 00:42.04 | Nakjeido2 | anyone? |
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| 00:43.06 | abrotman | /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 00:43.24 | Pa1n | In root terminal or just regular? |
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| 00:43.43 | sladi | Pa1n:root |
| 00:43.49 | abrotman | doesn't have to be root |
| 00:44.01 | abrotman | any user can read that log |
| 00:44.07 | Pa1n | bash: /var/log/Xorg.0.log: Permission denied |
| 00:44.17 | abrotman | not for me .. but whatever be root |
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| 00:48.36 | PorkSoda | On this again* |
| 00:48.58 | PorkSoda | Any one successfully setup x11vnc through SSL? |
| 00:49.10 | PorkSoda | Or "a" vnc through ssl |
| 00:49.21 | teamcobra | pork: I usually use freenx |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | useless |
| 00:49.50 | teamcobra | or if user number isn't an issue, the free-as-beer nx server (I normally setup freenx servers in ubuntu) |
| 00:50.02 | teamcobra | yeh. call me lazy |
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| 00:50.13 | abrotman | uses another word |
| 00:50.38 | scales138 | hi all i would like to install metisse on my laptop. does anyone by chance use it? |
| 00:50.41 | teamcobra | abrotman, is sshvnc usable on slow (dialup) connections? |
| 00:50.59 | abrotman | does that answer his question ? |
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| 00:51.14 | abrotman | PorkSoda: what doesn't work about it ? |
| 00:51.25 | teamcobra | no, but I'm genuinely curious, because I'd make the switch myself and maybe do a writeup on it :/ |
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| 00:51.32 | abrotman | then try it |
| 00:51.56 | Corkster | scales138 i used metisse for a while on suse |
| 00:52.08 | PiousMinion | Does the version of grub that comes with lenny not support LVM and dm-crypt? |
| 00:52.11 | Corkster | just another gui |
| 00:52.15 | scales138 | Corkster: yeah i tried it on mandrivia |
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| 00:52.37 | Corkster | why not xfce if youre talkin limited resource laptop |
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| 00:52.43 | scales138 | Corkster: i have an eeepc and metisse has a lot of nice options that allow me to get by with the small screen |
| 00:52.56 | scales138 | i also tried lxde |
| 00:53.06 | Corkster | fluxbox > * |
| 00:53.07 | scales138 | but i think xfce may be better than it |
| 00:53.23 | Corkster | but thats all just opinion |
| 00:53.28 | scales138 | yeah i used blackbox for a while with xp. i do like that too |
| 00:53.44 | sladi | scales138: maybe try wmii or dwm. ^^ |
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| 00:53.52 | scales138 | dwm? |
| 00:53.55 | scales138 | i will google |
| 00:54.04 | abrotman | !xwinman |
| 00:54.04 | dpkg | hmm... xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
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| 00:54.30 | PorkSoda | abrotman, executing x11vnc via: x11vnc -ssl SAVE -forever -usepw -httpdir /usr/share/vnc-java/ -httpport 3113 -https 3117,, I get the SSL cert in the client side, and when I log it, it says connection refused without fail. |
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| 00:55.18 | abrotman | PorkSoda: tried to 'strace' it ? |
| 00:55.44 | k350 | Ain't there any .iso for any command-line system. . Just a small one with the most neccesary tools only. Not the whole Deiban OS? |
| 00:55.48 | PorkSoda | abrotman, No, have any more info on doing such? |
| 00:55.55 | abrotman | k350: the netinst |
| 00:56.03 | abrotman | PorkSoda: prepend your command with 'strace' |
| 00:56.21 | abrotman | PorkSoda: you might want to use an option to have it go to a file .. it will generate a lot of output |
| 00:56.56 | k350 | abrotman: what is the netinst? |
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| 00:57.09 | k350 | aha netinstall |
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| 00:57.21 | scales139 | hummm i really just want a lite window manager that will allow for good screen space, metisse, e17, xfce were the few i figured would be best |
| 00:57.22 | k350 | I tired that one, but it ended up installign thewhoel system |
| 00:57.32 | abrotman | then you did it wrong |
| 00:58.15 | k350 | abrotman: well I'll give it a secodn try |
| 00:58.20 | k350 | abrotman: thanks! |
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| 01:03.02 | preds | Does anyone know (or know how I can find out) which install cd contains mysql-server-5.0? I was very suprised not to find it on the first etch dvd.. |
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| 01:03.36 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 01:03.37 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 01:03.46 | abrotman | use postgres :) |
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| 01:04.10 | pothibo | Hi, I installed the splix package by adding the Lenny Source to the deb list... now Cups is screwing up... |
| 01:04.11 | pothibo | any idea ? |
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| 01:05.43 | preds | thanks abrotman |
| 01:05.51 | goto10 | hi, i have installed with debian etch 32 bit, the flashplugin-nonfree 1.1.4-bpo40+1. It is working fine, except, that i have no sound. Anybody can help, me how to get sound e.g with youtube ? |
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| 01:13.42 | stopher | I'm trying to install RMS on debain. (Ray Multimedia Server), it comes with multiple rms.sh files. How do I install .sh files? |
| 01:13.59 | vvd | hey, is it possible to extract the compiler version used to compile a bin (from the bin)? |
| 01:14.49 | I_Died_Once | got an odd problem that google give me nothing about |
| 01:14.55 | sladi | goto10: do you use alsa? |
| 01:15.06 | I_Died_Once | installed a minimal of debian, command line only.... |
| 01:15.19 | goto10 | yes, i use normally totem player and alsa mixer for sound |
| 01:15.20 | sladi | goto10: is sound working at all? |
| 01:15.26 | I_Died_Once | every minute, i get an ACPI warning on screen |
| 01:15.37 | I_Died_Once | ACPI: Unable to turn cooling device [cbbb2dec] 'on' |
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| 01:16.00 | goto10 | sladi, with totem all is fine, and even amorak has fine sound |
| 01:16.07 | I_Died_Once | anyone got any ideas how i can turn the cooling device on, or shut the system up |
| 01:16.08 | teamcobra | goto10: try installing flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound |
| 01:16.15 | teamcobra | goto10, nice nick, btw ;) |
| 01:16.27 | goto10 | ;) |
| 01:16.38 | sladi | goto10: sorry, I can't help anymore, I'm new here too. ^^ |
| 01:16.46 | indes | goesto 15 |
| 01:17.08 | teamcobra | goto10: let me know if "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound" as root fixes it, you may have to restart firefox |
| 01:17.32 | goto10 | ok, i try it |
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| 01:21.18 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: i have a machine where i get the same .. |
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| 01:24.39 | teamcobra | goto10, any luck? |
| 01:25.06 | goto10 | teamcobra: that is strange, this packet seems in sid, not in etch |
| 01:25.24 | teamcobra | d'oh :/ |
| 01:26.03 | teamcobra | flash 10 beta has a lot of the audio problems fixed, but it does break a couple flash applets :/ |
| 01:26.07 | abrotman | it's not really needed |
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| 01:30.46 | dcordes_ | hi |
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| 01:31.04 | indes | hai |
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| 01:31.34 | abrotman | goto10: is it flash7 or 9 ? |
| 01:31.43 | iateadonut | does anyone know a good tutorial or some different programs to browse a windows network? |
| 01:31.45 | goto10 | flash 9 |
| 01:32.45 | abrotman | iateadonut: kde/gnome ? |
| 01:32.57 | iateadonut | kde |
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| 01:33.03 | abrotman | goto10: is anything else using the sound device? |
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| 01:33.10 | abrotman | iateadonut: i'd guess konqueror can |
| 01:33.13 | freezer | hi hi |
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| 01:33.37 | iateadonut | yeah, i open up konqueror and click on network shares, and just get timeouts. |
| 01:33.39 | goto10 | abrotman: no, i even restarted the system |
| 01:33.59 | iateadonut | from the command line, how do i search for shared folders on a windows computer if i know the name or ip address? |
| 01:34.22 | iateadonut | now, when i try to mount, i know the computer name, but not what shared folders are available. |
| 01:34.38 | freezer | smbclient -L $ip |
| 01:35.09 | abrotman | goto10: are you using esd or artsd ? |
| 01:35.23 | goto10 | artsd |
| 01:35.37 | abrotman | try killing that .. see if it makes a difference |
| 01:35.58 | iateadonut | and what's the command to show all the computers on the network? |
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| 01:37.13 | freezer | dunno |
| 01:39.13 | iateadonut | smb://workgroup/ from konqueror just times out. what am i missing? |
| 01:40.34 | Corkster | instead of workgroup use the IP of the server and the share name |
| 01:41.06 | goto10 | abortman: it is both installed .. esound and artsd. |
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| 01:41.17 | abrotman | are they actually running ? |
| 01:41.21 | abrotman | lsof | grep dsp |
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| 01:46.52 | goto10 | abortman, can find artsd in the processlist |
| 01:46.56 | goto10 | cant |
| 01:47.29 | abrotman | lsof | grep dsp |
| 01:48.09 | freezer | lsof |
| 01:48.28 | goto10 | lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete. that was it |
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| 01:48.57 | GillaGal | I've got a few vhosts set up and want the ServerSignature directive to prevent sigs, but it won't. Any idea's why? |
| 01:51.15 | abrotman | #apache ? |
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| 01:57.13 | iateadonut | so... concerning windows shares... what man page do i read? |
| 01:57.36 | infotron | apropos samba |
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| 02:01.15 | goto10 | teamcobra: cant find a working flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound for etch |
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| 02:02.07 | teamcobra | I don't think there is one, sorry, haven't run etch in a very very long time :/ |
| 02:02.33 | abrotman | and it's not needed |
| 02:02.46 | goto10 | abrotman: so what should i do ? |
| 02:03.02 | abrotman | goto10: did you check to make sure all sound devices have the volume raised .. including PCM ? |
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| 02:03.22 | goto10 | abrotman: totem works fine, alsaplayerworks fine, xmms works fine, and amorak works fine |
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| 02:03.44 | skyrke | Hi, I'm running lenny and installed a few shooters from synaptic, yet I have no commands to run any of them. |
| 02:04.30 | abrotman | goto10: did you check to make sure all sound devices have the volume raised .. including PCM ? |
| 02:04.45 | abrotman | skyrke: shooters? |
| 02:04.59 | skyrke | abrotman: First Person Shooter games. sorry should have just said games :] |
| 02:05.06 | goto10 | pcm is at 3/4 full |
| 02:05.08 | abrotman | skyrke: dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin ... |
| 02:05.22 | skyrke | abrotman: okay |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | goto10: lsof | grep dsp .. nothing ? |
| 02:05.34 | goto10 | nothing |
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| 02:08.17 | skyrke_ | abrotman: sorry got disconnected, I ran that and only have binary for warsow_client. |
| 02:08.28 | abrotman | okay .. and ? |
| 02:08.42 | skyrke_ | abrotman: I'm guessing that binaries aren't in the repo for the games I have? |
| 02:08.51 | skyrke_ | I have about 4 games I got, and only 1 with bin. |
| 02:09.09 | abrotman | warsow: /usr/lib/games/warsow/warsow_bin |
| 02:09.22 | skyrke_ | abrotman: yes. that sorry _bin not client. |
| 02:09.30 | abrotman | that's it |
| 02:09.45 | skyrke_ | abrotman: Yes, but I selected all other packages for the games. |
| 02:10.21 | abrotman | i think that's how you run it |
| 02:10.52 | skyrke_ | abrotman: what about alien-arena, nexuiz and openarena also then? They don't have binaries. |
| 02:11.14 | abrotman | goto10: ps aux | egrep 'art|esd' .. anything ? |
| 02:11.23 | abrotman | skyrke_: yes they do .. dpkg -L pkg |
| 02:11.45 | skyrke_ | abrotman: I get that but if i grep with bin They don't return anything |
| 02:12.03 | I_Died_Once | whats a program in debian that'll let me reformat a hard drive? |
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| 02:12.20 | skyrke_ | I_Died_Once: fdisk? |
| 02:12.21 | PeterFA | how do I get flash installed? |
| 02:12.35 | path__ | I_Died_Once, it depends on the file system you wish |
| 02:12.36 | wols_ | !flash |
| 02:12.36 | dpkg | it has been said that flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 02:12.40 | PeterFA | Is here a package or manual install... |
| 02:12.42 | PeterFA | er, ok. |
| 02:12.53 | abrotman | I_Died_Once: mkfs |
| 02:13.19 | abrotman | skyrke_: fdisk is to partition .. mkfs to "format" |
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| 02:13.47 | goto10 | abortman: no, it shows only the process for the grep itself |
| 02:13.56 | PeterFA | Are the free implementations well developed? |
| 02:13.58 | skyrke_ | abrotman: ahh I thought you could format also. Thanks haha |
| 02:14.06 | PeterFA | Can I rely on them to do most of what nonfree can? |
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| 02:14.18 | PeterFA | Or is it not there yet? |
| 02:15.52 | path__ | PeterFA try and rely later |
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| 02:16.17 | path__ | no single software is free of bugs :-) |
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| 02:16.59 | PeterFA | That page in the dpkg output seems to be outdated. |
| 02:19.03 | PeterFA | flashplugin does not exist. |
| 02:19.46 | wols_ | bpo has a flash plugin |
| 02:19.48 | PeterFA | It's refered to by another package it says. |
| 02:19.54 | PeterFA | wols_, bpo? |
| 02:20.00 | wols_ | !bpo |
| 02:20.00 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
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| 02:25.41 | kingsley | Is it normal for "cat /proc/mounts" to report that one's root partition is mounted TWICE, once as "/", and again as "/dev/.static/dev"? |
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| 02:28.31 | amphi | kingsley: it is here |
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| 02:31.34 | kingsley | amphi: That's interesting. Thanks for checking. At least here, when I shut down my computer, the remount of / as read only in /etc/init.d/umountroot fails, and the next time I boot, fsck is run automatically because the root partition wasn't unmounted cleanly. Have you tried booting recently...? |
| 02:31.51 | abrotman | amphi: you should answer him on OFTC now |
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| 02:32.19 | amphi | no, not for more than a month - but I didn't have any unexpected fsck the on rebooting |
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| 02:35.37 | kingsley | amphi: FYI, I noticed the change within the last month. |
| 02:36.04 | amphi | I'm not running a debian kernel here |
| 02:36.27 | kingsley | amphi: What kernel are you running? |
| 02:36.48 | amphi | .25.4 with some patches |
| 02:37.43 | amphi | abrotman: heh |
| 02:38.06 | goto10 | see ya |
| 02:38.21 | kingsley | amphi: I'm using 2.6.25-2-686. |
| 02:38.52 | amphi | that's so old |
| 02:38.59 | amphi | ;) |
| 02:39.18 | kingsley | amphi: Very good. |
| 02:39.38 | amphi | that's a sid kernel? |
| 02:40.37 | abrotman | lenny also |
| 02:41.24 | Tal_C | ? |
| 02:41.27 | kingsley | amphi: If my recollection is correct that sid is synonymous with "unstable", yes. |
| 02:41.52 | Tal_C | I still don't understand this thing |
| 02:41.58 | amphi | uhuh |
| 02:42.16 | Tal_C | ? |
| 02:42.48 | kingsley | amphi: Don't you think it's odd that one device is mounted twice? |
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| 02:44.09 | amphi | kingsley: actually, it's thrice here, by the look of things; mount with no args shows nothing of thus |
| 02:44.13 | amphi | *this |
| 02:44.30 | kingsley | amphi: Ha ha! |
| 02:45.17 | kingsley | amphi: Are any of the three mounts to /dev/.static/dev? |
| 02:45.36 | amphi | rootfs /, /dev/root /, /dev/root /dev/.static/dev |
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| 02:46.48 | amphi | udev voodoo, I presume |
| 02:46.48 | kingsley | amphi: I sense the foot prints of a hacker. |
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| 02:47.48 | kingsley | considers upgrading the udev package from version 0.100-2.1 to 0.124-3... |
| 02:48.01 | kingsley | amphi: What version of udev are you using? |
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| 02:48.39 | amphi | 0.114-2 it would seem |
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| 02:50.07 | Antaga | salut les loulou! |
| 02:50.50 | micky | hello, i've installed courier-imap-ssl and i'm trying to configure it so qmail works seemlesly with it as shown at ( http://www.qmailrocks.org/imap_db.htm ) but i've ran into troubles with the debian package.. mainly the configuration file is missing some parts.. any ideas ? |
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| 02:51.12 | kingsley | amphi: FYI: according to the udev package's changelog, there have only been "low" urgency changes since 0.114-2. |
| 02:51.27 | micky | more to the point " AUTHMODULES / AUTHMODULES_ORIG " are missing.. |
| 02:51.41 | kingsley | notes, however, several "medium" and "high" changes since his version of udev. |
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| 02:52.52 | dcordes_ | lh_build errors with "Could not lock the cache file". is that a common/normal problem? |
| 02:53.08 | dcordes_ | I'm building a lenny image for usb boot |
| 02:54.02 | roe_ | how do I keep my /etc/resolv.conf static even though I am dhcping |
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| 02:54.26 | abrotman | either chattr or set the dhclient to not request dns |
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| 03:05.48 | pothibo | Hi I installed Debian with the Desktop enabled but it's a server, I want to remove all the package for the Desktop any help plz ? |
| 03:06.01 | pothibo | just want to know if there's a sort of pattern I can't remove with apt-get |
| 03:06.35 | Corkster | be easier to reinstall and deselect |
| 03:06.40 | pothibo | argh |
| 03:06.53 | Corkster | if you want it clean and tidy |
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| 03:07.23 | newsense | or remove gnome and xorg packages |
| 03:07.44 | pothibo | ok |
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| 03:07.52 | PiousMinion | man apt.conf says to set Dir::Cache:archives to empty, but nowhere does it say how to do this. Ideas? |
| 03:08.00 | curtmack | why can't Debian autodetect my mobo's network hardware? |
| 03:08.15 | wols_ | pothibo: /msg dpkg remove gnome /msg dpkg remove X |
| 03:08.43 | wols_ | curtmack: usually it can. what hardware do you have? |
| 03:08.44 | abrotman | Corkster: why? |
| 03:08.49 | abrotman | pothibo: do NOT reinstall |
| 03:08.49 | curtmack | I have no idea |
| 03:09.09 | wols_ | curtmack: then find out |
| 03:09.22 | curtmack | all the piece of #@$& piece of paper that came with my mobo says is "10/100 Mbps LAN" |
| 03:09.30 | abrotman | lspci |
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| 03:09.45 | Corkster | abrotman cas of all the straggling libs and stuff that will be left behind |
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| 03:09.59 | abrotman | Corkster: if you know what you're doing .. not an issue |
| 03:10.04 | Corkster | hes a noob |
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| 03:10.19 | abrotman | apparently you are too |
| 03:10.31 | curtmack | Right now I'm on a Lenny setup disc |
| 03:10.39 | Corkster | well youre just a smartass asshole so that makes us even |
| 03:10.48 | wols_ | !moron Corkster |
| 03:10.48 | dpkg | Corkster: You are moron #30 |
| 03:10.49 | abrotman | uh .. sure |
| 03:11.08 | wols_ | Corkster: and stop before you make your cluelessness even more obvious |
| 03:11.18 | Corkster | youre constantly trying to verbally insult people in here |
| 03:11.32 | Corkster | wols_ and you can fuk off also |
| 03:11.33 | wols_ | you don't try, you actually do :) |
| 03:11.44 | pothibo | abrotman: ty |
| 03:11.46 | wols_ | curtmack: why lenny installer? |
| 03:12.02 | wols_ | curtmack: use lspci |
| 03:12.15 | abrotman | pothibo: i think you meant wols |
| 03:12.46 | Corkster | just wish you little smartass mutherfukrs could meet up and get your ass whooped |
| 03:12.46 | abrotman | curtmack: if you go to the alt-f2/f3 .. there should be a way to activate a terminal to run lspci |
| 03:12.54 | abrotman | at least we can spell! |
| 03:13.02 | pothibo | abrotman: haha yeah sry |
| 03:13.50 | abrotman | pothibo: there is more clean up you can do later if you choose |
| 03:14.09 | abrotman | pothibo: when some packages are removed, they leave behind conf files, but you can purge the package to remove those |
| 03:14.23 | Corkster | oh so you would rather let him spend half a day cleaning shit up at the beginning of an install instead of just doing a clean install ? |
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| 03:14.37 | Corkster | youre the fukn moron |
| 03:14.45 | abrotman | Corkster: if you know what you're doing .. it's easy .. if you don't know how .. don't yell at me because you can't figure it out |
| 03:14.55 | Corkster | he doesnt or he wouldnt be asking ass |
| 03:14.59 | abrotman | or you could ask |
| 03:15.00 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:15.06 | abrotman | you know .. like he's asking .. because he doesn't know |
| 03:15.20 | abrotman | instead of just name-calling |
| 03:15.32 | Corkster | you started in with the name calling |
| 03:15.40 | abrotman | no .. i didn't |
| 03:15.44 | curtmack | okay, I've get "Ethernet controller: nVidia corporation unknown device 07dc rev a2" |
| 03:15.47 | dcordes | :) |
| 03:16.04 | wols_ | curtmack: and your kernel version is what? |
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| 03:16.13 | abrotman | curtmack: lspci -nn |
| 03:16.19 | Corkster | too bad i dont live close to you in pennsylvania or i would come beat you to a fukn pupl for being an ignorant ass |
| 03:16.22 | abrotman | curtmack: the PCI ID will be at the end |
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| 03:16.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@r74-195-210-183.end1cmtc01.enidok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net] by abrotman |
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| 03:16.36 | curtmack | 2.6.22-3-686 |
| 03:16.42 | abrotman | Corkster: try to keep it constructive |
| 03:16.43 | wols_ | abrotman: we know everything we need. pci id is 07dc. manuf ID is nvidia 10DE |
| 03:16.49 | abrotman | ah .. missed that |
| 03:16.54 | wols_ | !tell curtmack about kmut |
| 03:16.59 | wols_ | curtmack: use that installer |
| 03:17.00 | abrotman | kmuto ? |
| 03:17.15 | wols_ | curtmack: you are using a VERY old lenny snapshot |
| 03:17.22 | wols_ | !tell curtmack about kmuto |
| 03:17.25 | wols_ | thanks |
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| 03:17.53 | abrotman | wrong channel :( |
| 03:19.18 | pothibo | wow he had some issues.... |
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| 03:22.06 | path__ | guys how can I tell myself dpkg messages ? |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | path__: /msg dpkg foo |
| 03:22.14 | path__ | do not want to do flood |
| 03:22.28 | path__ | as simple as that? whoa |
| 03:22.45 | path__ | thanks abrotman :) |
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| 03:30.03 | nvz | I can't figure out why I can't get the ethernet to work on my machine all of a sudden, I even tried adding a PCI network card. Eth0 comes up in dmesg as being the onboard nforce with forcedeth and the eth1 is the pci card loaded with rtl8139 and trying to ifup or dhclient either one just says Eroroor while getting interface flags: no such device |
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| 03:30.28 | abrotman | dmesg | grep eth ? |
| 03:31.02 | enouf | z25 ? why did it stop? ISP cut you off? |
| 03:31.13 | nvz | ethoo: forcedeth.c: ...blah.. bound to.. blah [mac id], eth1 Realtek RTL 8139.. blah |
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| 03:31.19 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net |
| 03:31.31 | nvz | paraphrasing cause I'm not able to get online there obviously |
| 03:31.35 | nvz | but it all looks good |
| 03:31.43 | streuner | hm |
| 03:31.46 | nvz | just don't know why its not working |
| 03:31.59 | enouf | route and arp look ok? |
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| 03:32.24 | path_ | OT: any familiar with professional cameras ? |
| 03:32.34 | enouf | tried "ifconfig eth0 up" |
| 03:32.38 | nvz | they show nothing cause the interface won't come up |
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| 03:33.06 | nvz | same error with ifconfig, ifup, dhclient.. No such device |
| 03:33.11 | enouf | sounds like an issue not with the box itself, but elsewhere |
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| 03:33.13 | nvz | on either eth1 or eth0 |
| 03:33.23 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net |
| 03:33.45 | nvz | eth2 eth3 lo sit0 |
| 03:33.53 | enouf | heh |
| 03:34.01 | enouf | !forcedeth mac |
| 03:34.02 | dpkg | If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
| 03:34.06 | shah | hello all, i hav installed debian etch netinst, from a cd, which has a bare minimal system, but i could'nt access to internet |
| 03:34.25 | nvz | well right now I got the Dlink RTL8139 card hooked up to the router |
| 03:34.34 | abrotman | shah: we'd need to know more info about your NIC |
| 03:34.40 | nvz | since I rebooted just for the purpose of putting a 2nd nic in there |
| 03:34.57 | enouf | omg wait - that mac, in the <forcedeth mac> doesn't mean a intel mac? |
| 03:35.00 | nvz | the problem I thought came from the USB dish I was using |
| 03:35.11 | enouf | erm Macintel |
| 03:35.20 | nvz | which seems to claim different names |
| 03:35.54 | shah | abrotman: INTEX 10/100 mbps ethernet card, model no: LC81 |
| 03:36.15 | nvz | what I am wondering is how do I clean out all these damn eth names and just get it working right again?! |
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| 03:36.26 | enouf | !z25 |
| 03:36.27 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 03:36.51 | wols_ | shah: 8139too is the driver |
| 03:37.11 | nvz | I'd rather not install and configure udev.. the problem likely came from me poping my hard drive in and out of three different computers and using 5-6 different network cards including USB ones |
| 03:37.20 | enouf | install? |
| 03:37.23 | wols_ | nvz: no it didn't :) |
| 03:37.37 | shah | wols: while bootup time, its showing eth0: link down |
| 03:37.41 | wols_ | and you can set what card uses what interface |
| 03:37.59 | nvz | I don't care what interface it uses really i just want to get online |
| 03:38.01 | wols_ | interface number that is |
| 03:38.21 | nvz | I'm not understanding why this problem is occuring ever so suddenly with the same conditions it worked fine before |
| 03:38.33 | wols_ | debian only configs eth0 and eth1 by default. if udev assigns higher numbres as in your case: no network |
| 03:38.52 | nvz | afaik I have no udev |
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| 03:39.04 | nvz | if I do I don't know when that happened |
| 03:39.08 | wols_ | nvz: dmesg |grep eth then |
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| 03:39.22 | wols_ | when you upgraded to etch? :) |
| 03:39.32 | nvz | eth0: forcedeth, eth1: rtl8139 |
| 03:39.40 | nvz | I upgraded to etch years ago |
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| 03:39.45 | wols_ | sure |
| 03:39.53 | wols_ | but etch uses udev by default. always |
| 03:40.26 | nvz | never had any problems getting either of these two nics to work a couple weeks ago |
| 03:40.26 | wols_ | and since the kernel had eth0 and eth1 but now it's eth2 and eth3 udev is the logical renamer |
| 03:40.26 | wols_ | can you stop whining and look into z25 alreadyß |
| 03:40.28 | wols_ | ? |
| 03:40.29 | nvz | so dhclient eth2 should work? |
| 03:40.49 | nvz | seems so. |
| 03:40.58 | nvz | I don't care wtf its called just so long as I get online |
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| 03:41.26 | wols_ | I don't care about your problem eitheanymore since you refuse to actually do what several people suggested by now. have a nice day |
| 03:41.31 | enouf | nvz: stop .. you're talking nonsense - whether you care or not what it's called doesn't matter |
| 03:41.33 | nvz | it can be called I-am-doing-this-just-to-annoy-you-interface-0 for all I care :P |
| 03:41.45 | enouf | it's what the kernel and udev think it's called that matters |
| 03:41.47 | nvz | dhclient eth3 got me online |
| 03:41.48 | wols_ | enouf: he doesn't want help |
| 03:41.49 | tdrusk | what do i need in debian lenny to make firefox look good with kde? |
| 03:41.52 | shah | wols_: in manufacturer's cd, driver name is mentioned as sc92.31 NIC driver |
| 03:41.55 | scales138 | anyone use an eeepc? i installed debian-eee and i thought the wifi was working but it doesnt seem to be |
| 03:41.55 | nvz | my problem is solved ;) |
| 03:42.00 | roe_ | /etc/hostname = nat but everything is logging as netboot, where do I need to change that value |
| 03:42.04 | wols_ | !eeepc |
| 03:42.04 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 03:42.11 | shah | wols_: in manufacturer's cd, driver name is mentioned as sc92031 NIC drive |
| 03:42.14 | enouf | you can kick and scream all day about "id on't care i don't care ... " but guesss what, no internet for you |
| 03:42.22 | wols_ | shah: irrelevant |
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| 03:42.36 | wols_ | enouf: wonder if he changed interfaces |
| 03:43.00 | wols_ | shah: if "link down" check your cabling |
| 03:43.25 | shah | iwols_: its working fine in windows !!! |
| 03:43.37 | shah | wols_: its working fine in windows !!! |
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| 03:44.06 | wols_ | shah: what driver gets loaded? |
| 03:44.25 | shah | wols_: how to know that? |
| 03:44.40 | wols_ | dmesg or lsmod |
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| 03:45.28 | tdrusk | kde theme with gtk apps. how is it done? |
| 03:45.29 | nvz | I'm on the internet |
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| 03:45.31 | nvz | problem solved |
| 03:45.34 | shah | wols_: ok im restarting my system to switch to debian, is there anything more to check?? |
| 03:46.03 | nvz | I just thought cause dmesg said eth0 and eth1 that was what my cards were called, they are in fact eth2 and eth3, and thats fine.. dhclient eth3 got it working |
| 03:46.20 | nvz | I got way more important shit to do right now than worry about the name of my ethernet card |
| 03:46.31 | wols_ | yes, like ramble on #d |
| 03:46.34 | nvz | I need to download source code.. and I can do that now ;) |
| 03:46.47 | nvz | heh, its called multi-tasking |
| 03:46.54 | nvz | downloading is happening on its own |
| 03:47.25 | streuner | prior was to solve, no matter what you thing or not about |
| 03:47.38 | roe_ | !madwifi |
| 03:47.39 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. No AR5008 support until 0.9.5. |
| 03:48.01 | shah | wols_: im restarting now, i'll show the output of lsmod or dmesg.. after coming back |
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| 03:48.19 | wols_ | shah: bot |
| 03:48.20 | wols_ | both |
| 03:48.29 | shah | okey |
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| 03:54.44 | JackScott1 | How can I change the system time via the command line? |
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| 03:56.04 | curtmack | wols_: VERY old you say? I didn't realize "VERY old" (with very in all caps) could be as recent as... four months ago I think |
| 03:56.18 | curtmack | anyway |
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| 03:58.08 | curtmack | I'd rather not have to install Lenny again, since I'd have to repartion over the drive |
| 03:59.08 | wols_ | curtmack: for a lenny installer it is old |
| 03:59.12 | wols_ | and buggy |
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| 04:01.51 | streuner | !set time |
| 04:01.51 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 04:03.11 | JackScott1 | Thanks |
| 04:03.29 | curtmack | right |
| 04:03.44 | streuner | hugs taxbird :-) |
| 04:03.51 | streuner | nice |
| 04:03.59 | streuner | !info taxbird |
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| 04:04.37 | curtmack | but like I said, I'd rather not reinstall Lenny if I could at all avoid it. Is there an easier way? |
| 04:04.39 | dpkg | taxbird: (The first free Elster client (German Tax Declarations)), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.11-3 (sid), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 744 kB |
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| 04:07.08 | wols_ | curtmack: install a newer kernel. a _current_ lenny kernel |
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| 04:07.21 | curtmack | okay |
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| 04:10.07 | streuner | !wb shah |
| 04:10.08 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! shah has returned! |
| 04:10.35 | shah | tq |
| 04:10.42 | shah | wols_: |
| 04:10.48 | shah | in dmesg |
| 04:10.48 | roe_ | I have an atheros based wireless card, and can't seem to get it into "master mode" |
| 04:11.03 | streuner | ask #madwifi |
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| 04:11.29 | curtmack | now watch me have to download the entire Debian package repository of updates just to install it |
| 04:11.32 | streuner | oh, you're already there :-) |
| 04:11.53 | shah | wols_: eth0:Realtek RTL*!#( at 0xde00, 00:76:07:84:89, IRQ 201 |
| 04:12.26 | shah | wols_: identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101' |
| 04:12.31 | wols_ | yes and the driver is 8139too |
| 04:12.47 | roe_ | streuner, joined a second after you suggested it, I forgot that madwifi had a channel |
| 04:13.03 | streuner | ok |
| 04:13.05 | wols_ | curtmack: I told you not to use an old lenny CD, you didn't want to listen :) |
| 04:13.13 | shah | wols_: but its the driver for motherboard buitlin ethernet card |
| 04:13.21 | streuner | said the RIGHT one |
| 04:13.41 | curtmack | wols_: I'm not complaining :) |
| 04:14.14 | curtmack | I did this for almost a whole week a while ago, back when I was using Etch and an internet connection was completely unavailable |
| 04:14.54 | curtmack | OH, I know what that !wb line is from |
| 04:15.02 | curtmack | can't believe it took me that long to remember it |
| 04:15.04 | shah | wols_: i think eth0 is considered as my motherboard builtin ethernet card, but not externally plugged one!! |
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| 04:17.19 | dcordes | will the .img autobuilder files produce a partition when dd'ed to a USB pendisk? |
| 04:17.59 | curtmack | also, somehow I always manage to try "sudo" when I install Debian before adding my non-root account to sudoers |
| 04:19.38 | wols_ | !usb |
| 04:19.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, usb is (Universal Serial Bus) A technology that has replaced the way that some peripheral devices connect to a computer. It is much faster than serial and parallel communications. It is also much more flexible: it will be able to connect to many devices simultaneously. http://www.linux-usb.org, or http://www.linux-usb.org/USB-guide/book1.html |
| 04:20.53 | newsense | is using sudo safer than just switching to root from a security standpoint ? |
| 04:21.05 | shah | wols_: is there any solution?? |
| 04:22.59 | dcordes | shah: for your externally connected card not being eth0 but a different interface? |
| 04:23.04 | curtmack | what's the name of the kernel package? Debian package search is being ornery |
| 04:23.18 | esaym | debian kernel.org mirror took a dump again looks like |
| 04:23.42 | curtmack | Oh, that's because they call it "linux-image" nowadays... |
| 04:23.58 | shah | dcordes: means? |
| 04:24.06 | esaym | well hmm maybe not, I think the mirror of mirror.kernel.org took a dump |
| 04:25.06 | dcordes | shah: I am referring to < shah> wols_: is there any solution?? |
| 04:26.02 | shah | dcordes: my ethernet card is not detected in dmesg |
| 04:27.35 | curtmack | ah good, nothing else required |
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| 04:27.43 | curtmack | everything else is of a sufficient version |
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| 04:27.54 | shah | dcordes: will be back.. |
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| 04:34.04 | TiMiDo | nice sh |
| 04:34.22 | curtmack | another question, what's the fglrx one-liner again? |
| 04:34.32 | TiMiDo | a |
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| 04:36.44 | TiMiDo | hey how do i bring up my wireless connecion back? |
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| 04:38.31 | curtmack | excellent, thanks |
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| 04:46.05 | DanDare | hello |
| 04:46.19 | PiousMinion | I'm trying to set up pinning based on the release(testing,unstable,etc), but I'm unsure what to name the debian-multimedia repo in /etc/apt.preferences. Suggestions? |
| 04:46.29 | DanDare | i found this file in my etch /usr/bin/[ |
| 04:46.39 | DanDare | it´s an executable... someone know what´s ? o.O |
| 04:47.17 | PiousMinion | seen that before too, not sure what it's for. |
| 04:47.34 | Kumool | did u try whatis command? |
| 04:47.39 | enouf | PiousMinion: debian-multimedia.org perhaps, and it's /etc/apt/preferences |
| 04:47.49 | enouf | oh, you just typoed, my bad |
| 04:48.13 | PiousMinion | heh |
| 04:48.14 | DanDare | didnt tried... |
| 04:48.14 | enouf | DanDare: 'help [' |
| 04:48.20 | Kumool | DanDare, ... i think its for bash |
| 04:48.39 | DanDare | yeah |
| 04:48.40 | PiousMinion | so "Pin: release a=debian-multimedia.org" ? |
| 04:48.44 | Kumool | since bash uses executables for linking or something like that... the hell if i know |
| 04:48.53 | enouf | PiousMinion: i think so |
| 04:49.11 | DanDare | yeah ok, it´s a bash part |
| 04:49.14 | DanDare | thanks |
| 04:49.34 | enouf | man bash-builtins |
| 04:49.46 | DanDare | doing 'help [' it seens to be used by scripts in bash |
| 04:50.18 | DanDare | heh, i just find it weird an executable named just '[' |
| 04:50.37 | docmax | hi, how can i see the desktop of a running x server? |
| 04:50.46 | docmax | remotely i mean |
| 04:51.11 | PiousMinion | docmax: either the built-in DE functionality... or check out x11vnc |
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| 04:51.20 | DanDare | docmax, you can use vnc |
| 04:51.24 | Aaron_ | hey i have a question how do i bring up back my wireless connection? |
| 04:51.30 | docmax | PiousMinion, what is DE? |
| 04:51.56 | PiousMinion | docmax: Desktop Enviroment. e.g. KDE, Gnome, etc |
| 04:52.00 | docmax | i tried vnc but its too slow for me |
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| 04:52.14 | docmax | PiousMinion, i have a pure xserver |
| 04:52.18 | Aaron_ | hey i have a question how do i bring up back my wireless connection? |
| 04:52.23 | docmax | no DE |
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| 04:52.58 | docmax | is it possible to user Xnest? |
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| 04:53.10 | docmax | Xnest target:display? |
| 04:53.24 | mrglinux | how to scan port in bash not networks tool GUI program |
| 04:54.16 | PiousMinion | nmap? |
| 04:54.19 | streuner | !closing ports |
| 04:54.20 | dpkg | <greycat> Whenever a newbie talks about "opening" or "closing" ports, you're in for a hell of a time helping it to unlearn whatever fucked-up concepts it's picked up. |
| 04:55.51 | PiousMinion | referring to newbies as "it". I love it. lol |
| 04:56.50 | streuner | "It" reminds me to Frankenstein... (Leave _it_ alone) :-) |
| 04:58.12 | shah | im back guys |
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| 05:00.37 | streuner | seems pretty usual to use it for a person in english |
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| 05:02.48 | streuner | shah: what happens if you using a LIVE-CD? |
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| 05:03.33 | shah | streuner: i hav already tried ubuntu, fedora.. it working 5n.... |
| 05:03.35 | streuner | shah: just download grml and use it |
| 05:04.09 | streuner | well, it should work in Debian then :-) ™ |
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| 05:05.07 | shah | streuner: it will work, but the only thing is ethernet card is not configured correctly |
| 05:05.18 | streuner | shah: what kind of debian-installer did you use? |
| 05:06.04 | shah | streuner: Network install from a minimal CD |
| 05:06.12 | streuner | shah: hm |
| 05:06.37 | shah | left with bare system |
| 05:06.42 | streuner | shah: is another NIC (onboard) still enabled? |
| 05:07.18 | shah | streuner: im in windows now, how to check that one |
| 05:07.28 | streuner | via BIOS |
| 05:07.48 | shah | if enabled? shall i disable it |
| 05:07.55 | streuner | dmesg would tell you in Debian :-) |
| 05:08.00 | shah | yeah |
| 05:08.01 | streuner | sure |
| 05:08.08 | shah | i hav done it |
| 05:08.25 | shah | its showing eth0 as my on board card |
| 05:08.26 | streuner | ok, just /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 05:08.45 | streuner | use nano /etc/network/interfaces and edit that file |
| 05:08.46 | shah | its enabled |
| 05:08.54 | shah | ok |
| 05:09.02 | streuner | good, just disable the onboard NIC |
| 05:09.05 | streuner | in BIOS |
| 05:09.16 | shah | okey |
| 05:09.18 | streuner | (if you have a second NIC) |
| 05:09.32 | shah | yeah i hav the second one |
| 05:11.48 | shah | streuner: what to edit in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 05:12.08 | streuner | !+tell shah -about interfaces |
| 05:12.09 | dpkg | told shah about interfaces. |
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| 05:12.52 | shah | okey got it |
| 05:12.58 | streuner | ok, or just read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReference/Network?highlight=%28interfaces%29 |
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| 05:17.43 | unixSnob | suppose I shrink the (only) debian partition down to 1gb, and then use dd to copy it to an SD card. Are there any other steps to making the SD card boot in place of the hard drive? |
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| 05:18.31 | unixSnob | i seem to recall a command sys<something> to get boot records copied |
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| 05:19.26 | dcordes | unixSnob: probably syslinux? |
| 05:19.52 | unixSnob | i think that was it.. thanks |
| 05:20.04 | unixSnob | is my plan likely to work? |
| 05:20.36 | unixSnob | will debian fail severely if it doesn't find the swap partition? |
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| 05:26.42 | DimmuR | any chances for eclipse 3.3 inside debian soon? |
| 05:27.07 | Jemt | Greetz. Am I the only one that can't make the Water and Fire effects work in Compiz? Nothing shows up on my screen when activating them |
| 05:27.14 | Jemt | Everything else works fine |
| 05:27.19 | peterrooney | unixSnob: depends on how much memory your programs tend to use |
| 05:28.25 | unixSnob | peterrooney: i suppose I can get away with it then.. It's just a stock netinst, with a couple lgithweight apps added |
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| 05:44.03 | mancubus | Hi ppl! |
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| 05:44.18 | mancubus | How I can upgrade kernel via "apt-get" ? |
| 05:44.36 | newsense | !kernel update |
| 05:44.39 | mancubus | Now I'm using 2.6.18-4 |
| 05:45.00 | newsense | !kernel compile |
| 05:45.01 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm), use make-kpkg from the package 'kernel-package' and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz (also read Rationale.gz) and http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/. Also ask me about <make-kpkg> <kp mantra> <make-kpkg complains> <kernel build-deps>. |
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| 05:45.29 | newsense | oh you just want a stock kernel |
| 05:45.39 | mancubus | yeap |
| 05:46.29 | newsense | apt-get install linux-image-*** |
| 05:46.50 | mancubus | newsense: thnx! |
| 05:47.04 | newsense | np |
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| 06:06.17 | ecstatica | hi, im running debian and im trying to enable the pop3 service in inetd.conf but its not in there like it is in slackware how do i enable it? can i use the pop3 line from slackware inetd.conf any ideas? |
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| 06:09.50 | liable | ecstatica: most packages that uses inetd edit the file or have docs saying how to |
| 06:10.50 | ecstatica | is is because the package isnt installed though it came with sendmail. |
| 06:10.52 | ecstatica | ? |
| 06:11.04 | ecstatica | yeah pop3 isnt in there. |
| 06:12.21 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how to stop the root file system / from being "busy" during shutdown, so that it can be cleanly unmounted? |
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| 06:13.17 | steven_ | kingsley: make sure nothing is writing to it ? |
| 06:13.23 | trinux | kingsley: you can check with "lsof" which files keep the it busy |
| 06:13.46 | wols_ | ecstatica: there is no default pop3 daemon. there are about half a dozen servers in debian that provide pop3 funktioniality |
| 06:16.06 | kingsley | trinux: Yes, lsof ran OK before the shutdown script /etc/init.d/umountroot, and fuser ran OK within it. Here's the big but. But, nothing in their outputs looks suspicious to me. What would you think of looking at 40 lines of fuser output in #flood or a pastebin? Perhaps you'll see something that I overlooked. |
| 06:17.38 | trinux | kingsley: pastebin would be better so other people can look and help too |
| 06:20.10 | kingsley | trinux: OK, fuser's output just before the failing call to (re)mount is at http://pastebin.com/d2d2b0596 |
| 06:20.21 | trinux | looks |
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| 06:26.53 | trinux | kingsley: that alone does not tell me much. you need to investigate with "lsof" and "ps" which process refuses to terminate properly, then kill it with "kill". in case the init process is broken it would require a forced reboot |
| 06:27.17 | trinux | sorry, doing too many things at once |
| 06:27.34 | steven_ | kingsley: use init to drop down a run level and use lsof to se what didn't close properly |
| 06:27.52 | steven_ | init 3 |
| 06:27.54 | steven_ | init 2 |
| 06:27.55 | steven_ | etc |
| 06:29.03 | kingsley | trinux: Can you elaborate on what type of output I should look for from "lsof" and "ps"? |
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| 06:29.33 | kingsley | steven_: How does one use init to drop down a run level? |
| 06:29.50 | liable | telinit # |
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| 06:31.50 | BadQuanta | If I wanted to add a permenate Samba Mount should I just add it to /etc/fstab or is there a better way of doing it now? |
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| 06:32.04 | msshams | can you please introduce me best program for logging my box? i want that it can analyze all logs and create graphical graphs. |
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| 06:33.50 | kingsley | How can you tell when a process refused to close or terminate properly? |
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| 06:35.33 | steven_ | init 2 |
| 06:35.53 | steven_ | kingsley: man init |
| 06:36.32 | kingsley | steven_: Yes, I'm reading it now. |
| 06:37.50 | steven_ | kingsley: actually your supposed to use telinit but looking at the manpage init will just call that for you anyway :) |
| 06:38.45 | kingsley | steven_: Yes, you're right of course. However, I do still find myself wondering how to tell which process(es) refused to close or terminate properly. Do you happen to know? |
| 06:40.25 | steven_ | i don't think it will tell you |
| 06:40.39 | steven_ | kingsley: but you can check with ps fax and lsof |
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| 06:41.49 | kingsley | steven_: OK. If one were to use "ps fax", what in it's output would indicate that a process refused to close or terminate properly? |
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| 06:42.14 | steven_ | kingsley: the fact it's still running :) |
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| 06:42.52 | kingsley | steven_: OK, that's straight forward. |
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| 06:43.40 | kingsley | steven_: The "runlevel" command indicates that I'm currently running at level "2", even with X windows and all sorts of daemons. |
| 06:43.55 | steven_ | thats wrong |
| 06:44.17 | steven_ | kingsley: well maybe it's not maybe you have edited what starts at runlevel 2 |
| 06:44.27 | kingsley | steven_: Should I simply use a root shell to type "telinit 1", wait for a new shell prompt, and then do a "ps fax"? |
| 06:44.34 | steven_ | runlevel 2 should be multiuser without networking i think |
| 06:44.49 | steven_ | kingsley: yup |
| 06:45.01 | steven_ | kingsley: i would drop out of X and do it on a console though |
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| 06:47.12 | kingsley | steven_: That seems plausible. However, if I were to play devil's advocate, I might ask how the output of "ps fax" at run level "1" would tell me anything more useful than "fuser -v /" just before the (re)mount command in /etc/init.d/umountroot. |
| 06:48.14 | kingsley | steven_: In case you missed it, fuser's output just before the failing call to (re)mount is at http://pastebin.com/d2d2b0596 |
| 06:51.00 | steven_ | kingsley: hmm coul try putting the rc scripts in debug |
| 06:51.22 | steven_ | there is an option you can set can't remeber where it lives :) |
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| 06:51.39 | steven_ | ps fax may not be much use but lsof would |
| 06:51.45 | msshams | can you please introduce me best program for logging my box? i want that it can analyze all logs and create graphical graphs. |
| 06:51.47 | steven_ | it will show you exactly what files are open |
| 06:52.11 | steven_ | msshams: splunk :) |
| 06:52.33 | steven_ | though it's commercial but i haven't foung an alternative that matches it's capability |
| 06:52.38 | kingsley | steven_: Yes, and perhaps lsof would reveal which process is keeping / busy. |
| 06:53.03 | steven_ | kingsley: yup it should show you exactly what files are open or been written to |
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| 06:53.36 | steven_ | and if you see a file open by a process that does not show in ps fax you know it's not releaseing file handles properly |
| 06:53.55 | steven_ | though technically all file handles shoould be release when a process die's |
| 06:54.22 | kingsley | steven_: However, I've already executed "fuser -v /" just before the failing (re)mount command in /etc/init.d/umountroot, and unless I'm mistaken, is also shows which processes are accessing /. They're listed in the pastebin. What do you think? Am I missing something? |
| 06:55.09 | steven_ | kingsley: i would use lsof and see exactly what is open |
| 06:55.30 | steven_ | see if it corresponds to the fuser output |
| 06:57.01 | kingsley | steven_: OK, so if I were to paraphrase my understanding of your thoughts, I might locate all processes that lsof says have files open, and then check if any of those processes are *not* listed by "ps fax"? |
| 06:57.28 | kingsley | steven_: Do I understand you correctly? |
| 06:58.36 | steven_ | kingsley: correct :) |
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| 06:59.56 | kingsley | steven_: OK. Do you happen to have a sense of whether this comparison might be done while the system is running normally, or whether it should occur right before the failing (re)mount command in /etc/init.d/umountroot? |
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| 07:00.33 | steven_ | right before if possible |
| 07:00.43 | steven_ | and after :) |
| 07:01.00 | steven_ | can't have too much information :) |
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| 07:01.22 | Guerin | a common misconception |
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| 07:02.03 | kingsley | steven_: Unless you object, I'll try to write a script that automates the comparison and call it from within /etc/init.d/umountroot. |
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| 07:02.11 | rootmos | I can not boot my system after an initrd update i am getting stuck in busybox see http://img244.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img1166qr8.jpg for a screendump |
| 07:02.38 | rootmos | i am using md and lvm and it works with an older kernel |
| 07:02.55 | steven_ | kingsley: should be fine, alternatively you can go through init.d and just stop everything manually and verify all the scripts do actually work that way |
| 07:02.59 | msshams | steven_: is splunk under open source license? |
| 07:03.15 | msshams | steven_: can i install it with apt? |
| 07:03.24 | steven_ | msshams: no i don't think it is though you can use it for free if you only collect so much logging |
| 07:03.45 | steven_ | there pricing modle is based on GB's logged |
| 07:04.05 | steven_ | msshams: there is a demo you can use on thier website |
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| 07:14.57 | tarzeau | Posterdati: several sgis, yes |
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| 07:16.33 | kingsley | steven_: OK, I've written a script to do as you suggested, and will now shut down this box to see what it reports. |
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| 07:20.05 | kingsley | steven_: As a lark, I just checked for so called "zombie" processes before shutting down. Indeed I found four with a "Z" or "<defunct>" status. I used ps aux | awk '{ print $8 " " $2 }' | grep Z |
| 07:21.25 | kingsley | steven_: <sigh> Unfortunately, lsof says none of them have a file or files open. |
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| 07:23.02 | kingsley | Nonetheless, I might remove the package that's responsible for the zombie processes. |
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| 07:25.46 | bitchxuser | So, I replace etch in sources.list with unstable; then do apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade and reboot later. That's it? Or am I missing anything important ? |
| 07:27.00 | bitchxuser | and don't worry about me screwing up the system; I'm running it from VirtualBox, so if anything happens I can log in here from XP and still haunt this channel! |
| 07:27.06 | steven_ | kingsley hmm strange |
| 07:27.36 | steven_ | kingsley zambie processors i belive or when the child wants to exit passing the return code to the parent and the parent has gone away |
| 07:27.45 | steven_ | if i remember rightly lol |
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| 07:29.35 | bitchxuser | who are you talking to? there is no kingsley here |
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| 07:30.16 | bitchxuser | answer my questions plz instead of talking to dead ppl |
| 07:31.00 | Guerin | !irritate wols_ |
| 07:31.00 | dpkg | wols_: Y iz debain so old? who uses cable lol |
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| 07:32.08 | ecstatica | hi, how do i restart the inetd.conf in debian? is it like kill -HUP pid like in slack or is it different? |
| 07:32.28 | liable | by its init script |
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| 07:32.42 | steven_ | ecstatica: that will still work but the init script and reload should do the trick |
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| 07:32.45 | zhopoyeb | network logon cracker |
| 07:32.57 | zhopoyeb | anyone know of a good one? |
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| 07:33.09 | wols_ | zhopoyeb: ask #ubuntu |
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| 07:33.21 | Guerin | zhopoyeb: yeah, I hear ssh is pretty good |
| 07:33.29 | Guerin | you just enter the password and it lets you right in |
| 07:33.40 | zhopoyeb | ha |
| 07:33.53 | zhopoyeb | i spit redbull on myself thanks |
| 07:34.01 | zhopoyeb | new shirt |
| 07:34.03 | zhopoyeb | meh |
| 07:34.05 | steven_ | zhopoyeb: perl works quite well too |
| 07:34.17 | Guerin | a common trait among would-be h4x0rs: the inability to feed oneself |
| 07:34.56 | bitchxuser | Question about Sid FAQ: it says there things like 'grep' can break. Why would they? Isn't Sid actually using the latest RELEASE versions of everything, not development branch of everything? |
| 07:35.14 | zhopoyeb | Guerin owes me a new t-shirt |
| 07:35.22 | wols_ | anything can break on sid, absolutely anything |
| 07:35.27 | wols_ | and it often does |
| 07:35.33 | bitchxuser | but why? |
| 07:35.43 | wols_ | cause it's unstable |
| 07:35.51 | steven_ | bitchxuser: because it in a constant state of flux |
| 07:35.52 | bitchxuser | circular answer |
| 07:36.03 | bitchxuser | take gcc for example ... |
| 07:36.05 | Guerin | bitchxuser: now you begin to understand. |
| 07:36.18 | wols_ | bitchxuser: just cause you don't understand what "unstable" means in a debian context doesn't make it circular |
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| 07:36.36 | bitchxuser | in Sid, it is 4.3 - same as you would get it directly from gcc.gnu.org; not some SVN version |
| 07:36.44 | Guerin | bitchxuser: irrelevant |
| 07:37.29 | bitchxuser | Is Debian messing with upstream code so much (openssl, etc.) that it makes stable upstream packages into unstable debian packages? |
| 07:38.03 | Guerin | bitchxuser: most of the problems manifest through the debian packaging system |
| 07:38.18 | bitchxuser | Guerin dependencies? |
| 07:38.28 | ecstatica | steven_: so just kill -HUP (the pid of init)? |
| 07:38.35 | wols_ | sits back and passes the popcorn around |
| 07:39.04 | steven_ | ecstatica: yup you will find this is also what reload will do most likely |
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| 07:40.44 | Guerin | bitchxuser: yeah. lib conflicts, broken symbols, etc. |
| 07:41.04 | Guerin | the general problems of not compiling everything statically, and having an integrated packaging system. |
| 07:41.29 | maligor | way back there was even a broken login in sid |
| 07:41.36 | ecstatica | steven_: says no suck process whats the command to run the reload script? |
| 07:41.45 | ecstatica | new at debian <-- |
| 07:41.48 | Guerin | init was busted once |
| 07:42.01 | Guerin | ecstatica: /etc/init.d/something restart |
| 07:42.03 | steven_ | ecstatica: /etc/init.d/<service> reload |
| 07:42.10 | maligor | mm.. or was it init, something in the startup anyway |
| 07:42.20 | Guerin | maligor: both; separate occasions |
| 07:43.04 | maligor | bitchxuser, if you intend to use sid, I recommend you know how to fix things first |
| 07:43.08 | Guerin | the openssl flaw was really bad, though |
| 07:43.22 | Guerin | probably the single worst bug in 15 years of debian |
| 07:43.41 | Guerin | at least, so some folks claim |
| 07:43.59 | maligor | bitchxuser, like the rescue mode of the install cd can be helpful in fixing startup problems |
| 07:44.03 | ecstatica | ./etc/init.d/init reload/restart doesnt seem to work :( |
| 07:44.03 | steven_ | Guerin: you mean the non random randomness |
| 07:44.04 | bitchxuser | OK, you've convinced me to stick with Stable. I'm a developer (not Debian Dev) and I tend to want the latest compilers, libs, etc. to keep up with peers, basically. I either need to compile from source manually and put it in /usr/local, or use unstable. I guess the former is a better alternative |
| 07:44.21 | ecstatica | hmm. |
| 07:44.26 | maligor | bitchxuser, you don't need to be a debian devel to use sid, heh |
| 07:44.27 | steven_ | ecstatica: init ?? |
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| 07:44.39 | ecstatica | i want to restart inetd.conf |
| 07:44.40 | ecstatica | :( |
| 07:44.51 | bitchxuser | maligor I never claimed otherwise |
| 07:44.55 | steven_ | that will be inetd |
| 07:44.57 | maligor | bitchxuser, really problematic breakages are really quite rare |
| 07:45.08 | steven_ | look /etc/init.d |
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| 07:45.16 | steven_ | i think debian uses the bsd one by default |
| 07:46.35 | ecstatica | :( |
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| 07:47.11 | bitchxuser | How do I program dpkg to remind ppl here that BSD is dying? |
| 07:47.15 | ecstatica | oidentd? |
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| 07:47.27 | TiMiDo | hey |
| 07:47.29 | TiMiDo | i have a question |
| 07:47.29 | bitchxuser | !bsd |
| 07:47.29 | dpkg | methinks bsd is read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people |
| 07:47.33 | TiMiDo | how do i set up my printer in debian? |
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| 07:47.55 | ecstatica | Restarting ident daemon: oidentd. |
| 07:48.03 | ecstatica | that do the trick? |
| 07:48.14 | ecstatica | i did /etc/init.d/oidentd restart? |
| 07:48.27 | steven_ | ident is not inetd :) |
| 07:48.46 | ecstatica | fcuk |
| 07:48.48 | ecstatica | fux |
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| 07:49.24 | bitchxuser | !fuck |
| 07:49.24 | dpkg | somebody said fuck was cool |
| 07:49.45 | TiMiDo | any ideas |
| 07:49.47 | TiMiDo | on the printer? |
| 07:49.51 | Flakk | Hi people |
| 07:49.52 | Flakk | I have a sort of problem with pppoe adsl connection. The connection works ok however when I try to use the command pon dsl-provider i get "the user is not included in the dip group" I remember that I should indeed include me (the inly user) to the group but I forgot how to do this. any help? |
| 07:50.05 | cahoot | TiMiDo: via cups |
| 07:50.21 | TiMiDo | cahoot, |
| 07:50.25 | TiMiDo | but i think |
| 07:50.34 | TiMiDo | i need to installed some drivers in it? |
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| 07:51.14 | cahoot | TiMiDo: not necessarily |
| 07:51.24 | tarzeau | why can't rhythmbox record radio stations? |
| 07:51.42 | TiMiDo | cahoot, im trying to add a new printer and it does not reconigned it. in ubuntu it does |
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| 07:53.16 | TiMiDo | any ideas tarbo |
| 07:53.19 | TiMiDo | sorry cahoot |
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| 07:53.28 | Internat | Howdy all, im looking for an application that can search my drives and return a list of all files, where the FILENAME is somewhat simular any ideas on anything that might do this? |
| 07:53.43 | ecstatica | damn damn i need to restart inetd.conf. :/ |
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| 07:54.05 | wols_ | Internat: man find ? |
| 07:54.14 | iateadonut | somewhat simular? |
| 07:54.21 | wols_ | TiMiDo: /msg dpkg printing |
| 07:54.40 | wols_ | TiMiDo: what printer model exactly? |
| 07:54.48 | Internat | yeah. asin these filenames are 80% simular.. fuzzy logic or something |
| 07:54.59 | wols_ | Flakk: addgroup <you> dip |
| 07:55.09 | TiMiDo | is an HP |
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| 07:55.17 | wols_ | that's no model! |
| 07:55.21 | Flakk | thx wols - indeed dpkg says the same , trying |
| 07:55.34 | TiMiDo | HP Deskjet D2345 |
| 07:55.37 | TiMiDo | there we go wols_ |
| 07:56.47 | wols_ | TiMiDo: http://openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-Deskjet_D2345 |
| 07:56.48 | Internat | i dont imagine find does patten matching etc.. and etc |
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| 07:57.20 | wols_ | Internat: but grep does |
| 07:57.27 | TiMiDo | wols_, |
| 07:57.27 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 07:57.29 | Internat | i think i explained the issue wrong. I want it to scan my hdd, and compare all the files on it, against each other, and return anything that matches within a certian percent |
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| 07:57.44 | TiMiDo | i do not see no manuals there |
| 07:57.53 | wols_ | TiMiDo: i just gave you a solution how to get your printer to work |
| 07:58.16 | ecstatica | steven_: sorry but i still cant restart inetd.conf could you gimme the exact command if thats cool? |
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| 07:59.13 | TiMiDo | wols_, do i need to download some drivers? |
| 07:59.17 | ecstatica | or start it. |
| 07:59.26 | ecstatica | dont think its been started. |
| 07:59.38 | wols_ | TiMiDo: you need to start learning to read first |
| 07:59.48 | wols_ | ecstatica: ps aux |grep inet |
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| 08:01.38 | ecstatica | root 5441 0.0 0.3 1644 508 pts/73 S+ 03:58 0:00 grep inet <-- is that the pid 5441? |
| 08:01.53 | ecstatica | shouldnt it be inetd though or is inet the same? |
| 08:02.06 | ecstatica | so kill -HUP 5441? |
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| 08:02.26 | wols_ | that's your grep command, duh! |
| 08:02.28 | Jemt | Greetz. Can someone tell me why the Water effect dosn't work for Compiz on Debian ? |
| 08:02.34 | ecstatica | root 5554 0.0 0.3 1644 508 pts/73 R+ 04:00 0:00 grep inetd |
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| 08:03.22 | DogBoy | trying the one liner for nvidia on lenny but I get Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 08:03.25 | hellop | help. I ran chmod -R 755 / in an effort to prefent ssh users from leaving their home dirs... now, no one can log in |
| 08:03.36 | ecstatica | the pid isnt even there. |
| 08:03.36 | Guerin | hellop: reinstall |
| 08:03.38 | ecstatica | lame. |
| 08:03.45 | hellop | Is there some FAQ that give suggestions on what the default linux dirs should be set to? |
| 08:03.59 | hellop | Guerin, sorry, that is not an option |
| 08:04.08 | Guerin | hellop: it's easier to just nuke it all from orbit and start again |
| 08:04.14 | Guerin | hellop: it's *always* an option |
| 08:04.19 | hellop | what should perms be set to? bin dirs should have 755 |
| 08:04.21 | DogBoy | heh |
| 08:04.33 | Guerin | hellop: anyway, trying to jail ssh users is pointless and stupid |
| 08:04.39 | hellop | Guerin, it is a remote server, there is no one to reinstall, it would cost money |
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| 08:04.53 | Guerin | hellop: so pay. |
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| 08:04.57 | hellop | does etc need everyone perms? |
| 08:05.06 | Guerin | this is a problem beyond your abilities to fix |
| 08:05.20 | hellop | omg.. This is a fresh net install, it cannot be that complicated |
| 08:05.28 | Guerin | of course it can be |
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| 08:05.50 | iateadonut | dude, if you redid all your permissions. |
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| 08:06.09 | iateadonut | you are going to have to reinstall. |
| 08:06.23 | iateadonut | look on linuxquestions.org - search for "horror stories" and the like. |
| 08:06.45 | Guerin | the thing is that you'll change a few things, suddenly you'll be able to log in again - and then bizarre fucked-up little annoyances will plague you until you reinstall |
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| 08:06.58 | iateadonut | unless you're really into learning. |
| 08:07.02 | hellop | But.. I would like to discuss "Why".. |
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| 08:07.10 | hellop | iateadonut, yes I definately am |
| 08:07.19 | TiMiDo | okey cool |
| 08:07.21 | hellop | why is it such a horror story? |
| 08:07.22 | TiMiDo | got it to working =) nice |
| 08:07.27 | iateadonut | then, bizarre challenging little lessons will pop up all the time. |
| 08:07.32 | Guerin | hellop: because some things, such as /dev and /proc, have fucked-up permissions all of their own |
| 08:07.35 | hellop | I just did chmod 755 / and now the other users can login |
| 08:07.41 | iateadonut | because each program is going to have different permissions needed. |
| 08:07.59 | Guerin | hellop: and other, such as .ssh, have restrictions which prevent the program from working if the permissions are set wrong |
| 08:08.03 | msshams | i have a backup script that contain a loop. this script lasts about 20 minutes until finished. when i run it by hand it works fine and finished. but when cron runs it, it can't finished and failed incomplete. can help me? |
| 08:08.08 | Guerin | and the gods only know how many other cases |
| 08:08.13 | iateadonut | right. |
| 08:08.34 | iateadonut | so, if you're really into learning a LOT, then you can try a quick fix, and get new lessons about permissions every day for the rest of eternity. |
| 08:08.34 | hellop | so, in dev, the devices with a group assigned should probably have their group perm set to write, correct? |
| 08:08.44 | Guerin | i'm not going to speculate |
| 08:09.01 | hellop | I have a tar of the whole system... I will just use that to replace the perms if no one wants to discuss it... |
| 08:09.12 | DogBoy | heh |
| 08:09.38 | DogBoy | the time to discuss it was before you changed the permissions |
| 08:09.39 | Guerin | hellop: does your tarball contain everything? even the devices? |
| 08:09.43 | Guerin | because I bet it doesn't |
| 08:09.51 | hellop | Guerin, oh you're right.. |
| 08:09.53 | cahoot | hellop: the bright side of this is you really *learned* something important |
| 08:09.53 | hellop | damn |
| 08:09.57 | Guerin | one thing you could do is an exact-copy install on another machine, and take the recursive perms of each dir down into a file, then change 'em back manually |
| 08:10.06 | Guerin | you can extract the tarball and so that I suppose |
| 08:10.14 | Guerin | but it's still not going to let you fix /dev |
| 08:10.28 | cahoot | wouldn't udev? |
| 08:10.37 | Guerin | i don't presume udev |
| 08:10.47 | hellop | so, really dev is the only problem? |
| 08:10.57 | Guerin | hellop: no. |
| 08:11.13 | hellop | dev, proc, sys... |
| 08:11.23 | Guerin | proc and sys are generated by the kernel at boot time |
| 08:11.27 | Guerin | not an issue' |
| 08:11.51 | Jemt | DogBoy: I would recommend using the official driver - I have expirenced incompatibility problems with the driver from the non-free repository. It is very simple to install the official driver. If the installer fails, then it's probably because it's not capable of building your kernel module - then install the following package and re-run the installer: apt-get install gcc libc6-dev linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 (importent: |
| 08:11.51 | Jemt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:12.00 | Guerin | it's programs like ssh and i don't know what else which are going to be arsey about it |
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| 08:12.15 | hellop | k... so what else besides dev is in issue assuming I can fix all the default file perms? |
| 08:12.24 | Guerin | i don't know |
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| 08:12.27 | hellop | k |
| 08:12.30 | Guerin | this is the point: you don't know either |
| 08:12.49 | hellop | Guerin, you don't think the dev perms will get reset on boot? |
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| 08:12.51 | Guerin | things might seem like they're working fine, but be causing bizarre and unpredictable behaviour |
| 08:13.01 | Guerin | hellop: i don't know how your machine is set up. |
| 08:13.11 | DogBoy | using lenny Jemt |
| 08:13.21 | hellop | can someone pastbin the output of "ls -la /dev" for me? |
| 08:13.42 | Guerin | hellop: do your own legwork; our /dev dirs will; be different to yours |
| 08:13.42 | Jemt | DogBoy: Probably still works |
| 08:13.54 | Jemt | DogBoy: Can't see why it shouldn't |
| 08:14.14 | Guerin | Jemt: FYI - if you recommend people use the nvidia method rather than the debian method, you get to be their exclusive personal tech support |
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| 08:14.43 | DogBoy | Guerin, what dpkg says to do don't work |
| 08:14.43 | Jemt | No I don't |
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| 08:15.07 | Guerin | Jemt: well, #debian ain't supporting it. |
| 08:15.23 | DogBoy | well they weren't anyway |
| 08:15.27 | Jemt | That's fair enough |
| 08:15.30 | Guerin | DogBoy: find out why and fix it. |
| 08:15.35 | Guerin | then fix the factoid |
| 08:15.46 | DogBoy | yea great advice thanks |
| 08:15.46 | Guerin | the main reason for this is that both nvidia and lenny are moving targets |
| 08:16.03 | Guerin | DogBoy: 100% guaranteed to get you the result you want; so yeah, it is. |
| 08:16.19 | DogBoy | ok Guerin thanks again |
| 08:16.23 | Guerin | welcome |
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| 08:21.13 | hellop | Guerin, can't my journaling filesystem help with resetting permissions? |
| 08:22.09 | Guerin | hellop: no. The great thing about journalling filesystems which makes them resistant to data loss also makes them resistant to fuckup retraction. |
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| 08:22.35 | hellop | I thought the whole point of journaling is that you can undo stuff... |
| 08:22.40 | hellop | like deletes |
| 08:22.44 | Guerin | nope |
| 08:22.46 | TiMiDo | wols_, my printer is already. configured but how come it freezes when i want to print? |
| 08:23.14 | Guerin | the point of journalling is that there's a safety net bwteen you committing a write and the data actually being physically written out |
| 08:23.35 | Guerin | so that if something intervenes between those two events, you don't automatically lose everything |
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| 08:25.59 | hellop | thanks Guerin... well, I have restored all the perms for all the files except /dev and dev is only have a screen of stuff |
| 08:26.06 | iateadonut | guerin, please explain further; maybe give an example. |
| 08:26.15 | TiMiDo | anyone in here has Deskjet d2300 |
| 08:26.18 | TiMiDo | that can help me out? |
| 08:26.26 | Guerin | hellop: fun. Try logging in. |
| 08:26.38 | Guerin | iateadonut: i'm not your personal wikipedia :) |
| 08:26.58 | iateadonut | thanks. the keyword "wikipedia" is helpful. |
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| 08:27.10 | hellop | Guerin, well I can su in... |
| 08:27.11 | boguh | how can i sort by date with ls? |
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| 08:28.08 | Guerin | hellop: try shelling in as a luser |
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| 08:28.17 | Guerin | then try shelling in as root |
| 08:28.20 | TiMiDo | how come my computer |
| 08:28.24 | TiMiDo | cannot communicate with the printer |
| 08:28.25 | TiMiDo | any ideas |
| 08:28.26 | Guerin | if both of those work, cross your heart and reboot |
| 08:28.30 | TiMiDo | please |
| 08:28.32 | Guerin | TiMiDo: because of the reason. |
| 08:28.43 | TiMiDo | Guerin, what reason? |
| 08:28.53 | iateadonut | how do i find out where a program (i.e. openoffice) is installed? |
| 08:28.55 | Guerin | TiMiDo: insufficient data. |
| 08:29.05 | TiMiDo | Guerin, to get the printer working Deskjet d2300 |
| 08:29.09 | TiMiDo | do i need to download any drivers? |
| 08:29.10 | wols_ | iateadonut: dpkg -L <package> |
| 08:29.18 | et | Guerin, DogBoy: the reason is that you have to backport nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid because the packages are missing from lenny |
| 08:29.31 | Guerin | iateadonut: a program isn't installed to a single location; its binary executables are usually to be found in /usr/bin/ |
| 08:29.39 | Guerin | et: tell dpkg |
| 08:29.54 | TiMiDo | ? |
| 08:29.58 | Guerin | TiMiDo: linux-printing.org |
| 08:30.16 | Guerin | TiMiDo: don't be so insistent - it makes us want to toy with you |
| 08:30.28 | TiMiDo | hmm |
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| 08:30.36 | wols_ | takes away the - from guerin |
| 08:30.43 | Guerin | we are capricious creatures here in Hashdweebian |
| 08:30.47 | wols_ | and fyi, I already pointed him there. he didn't like it |
| 08:30.50 | iateadonut | i've got some kind of java program that's supposed to be "installed in the same directory as openoffice" |
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| 08:30.56 | Guerin | wols_: neva-r! |
| 08:31.10 | Guerin | iateadonut: then whoever wrote it is tarded |
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| 08:31.27 | wols_ | Guerin: don't send people to domain grabber sites then |
| 08:31.32 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:32.03 | Guerin | my fail |
| 08:32.04 | alin | hello, any ideea why mc whouldn't start on debian stable ? #mc will just hang there |
| 08:32.34 | Guerin | alin: insufficient data |
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| 08:33.04 | TiMiDo | wols_, any ideas? |
| 08:33.11 | alin | Guerin: what do you mean ? |
| 08:33.19 | wols_ | TiMiDo: you didn't like what I told you before, why would I care? |
| 08:33.30 | Guerin | alin: i mean you've not given us enough information to make a diagnosis |
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| 08:33.44 | wols_ | alin: from your description we'd need to be psychic to know how to help you |
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| 08:34.26 | alin | wols_ , Guerin: well i don't see any output and i don't see anything in syslog... |
| 08:34.36 | Guerin | alin: i guess you're fucked, then. |
| 08:34.46 | Guerin | does it work as a user? |
| 08:34.48 | et | !nvidia_lenny |
| 08:34.48 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 08:34.56 | et | DogBoy: ^ try that |
| 08:35.10 | alin | Guerin: same as normal user too |
| 08:35.17 | Guerin | !factinfo nvidia_lenny |
| 08:35.17 | dpkg | nvidia_lenny -- created by et <n=et@feynman.fachschaft.physik.tu-darmstadt.de> 1m 22s ago; last modified 53s ago by et!n=et@feynman.fachschaft.physik.tu-darmstadt.de; it has been requested 3 times, last by et, 28s ago. |
| 08:35.21 | wols_ | et: you might have to edit dependencies |
| 08:35.21 | Guerin | !beer et |
| 08:35.21 | dpkg | pours a litre of Spaten Optimator for et |
| 08:35.41 | Guerin | alin: ok. strace it and see where it hangs. |
| 08:36.03 | et | wols_: was not neccessary for me a few days ago |
| 08:36.20 | et | hmm, you have to install the dependencies for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx though |
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| 08:36.40 | wols_ | et: a month or so it was who did it in here |
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| 08:36.47 | wols_ | it depends on etch and sid versions |
| 08:38.20 | alin | Guerin: could the problem be that i use putty ? |
| 08:38.31 | Guerin | it certainly could |
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| 08:38.40 | Guerin | set your TERM variable to something appropriate |
| 08:38.56 | Guerin | and make sure your characetrset is something sane (that is - not a windows charset) |
| 08:39.11 | wols_ | et: and those dependencies for glx might not be availanle in lenny, sometimes |
| 08:39.27 | Julouste | How could I get a listing of the packages I have installed in order of size? |
| 08:39.33 | Guerin | !ds |
| 08:39.33 | dpkg | ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds or just use this "dpkg-query -W -f='${Installed-Size} t${Package} t${Status} n' | grep installed | sort -rg | less", or dpigs -n 500 (in the debian-goodies pkg) |
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| 08:40.23 | hellop | Guerin, someone has told me that a reboot will reset the perms on /dev are you thinking that is not true? |
| 08:40.45 | Guerin | hellop: if you don't have a static /dev, it will. |
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| 08:42.55 | hellop | I tried searching.. can you tell me what you mean by "static /dev" ? |
| 08:43.10 | hellop | you mean udev is installed? |
| 08:43.15 | wols_ | a /dev not handled by udev |
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| 08:43.15 | Guerin | hellop: do you use udev or somesuch? |
| 08:43.22 | hellop | yes udev |
| 08:43.26 | Guerin | then your dev is not static |
| 08:43.27 | hellop | debian etch |
| 08:43.28 | wols_ | then it will reset perms |
| 08:43.28 | Guerin | reboot |
| 08:43.32 | hellop | cool tks |
| 08:43.36 | Guerin | but be prepared to reinstall if you can';t log in |
| 08:44.00 | Guerin | and tbpfh i'd be a bit cagey about this machine for ever more, now |
| 08:44.14 | hellop | I think all I need to do is, backup my etc, restore from backup, then reset permissions on downloaded packages, and reboot |
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| 08:44.49 | Guerin | good luck with that |
| 08:45.33 | hellop | hmm I guess resetting perms is only for rpm not deb |
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| 08:47.17 | stony | hi |
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| 08:47.36 | stony | is there a xen dom0 and domU support in die amd64 linux-image ? |
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| 08:47.45 | stony | or do i have to build a kernel on my own |
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| 08:48.39 | wols_ | !tell stony about search |
| 08:49.34 | stony | i'm using debian for at least 10 years now, but there is no description in the kernel package if or if it's not providing this feature |
| 08:50.24 | wols_ | xen kernels say "xen" in the name. and: there is config* which you should know as a 10 year debian suer |
| 08:51.31 | stony | so i have to build this on my own, thx |
| 08:52.26 | DogBoy | et, I don't follow the step 5 bit |
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| 08:52.59 | et | i don't understand? |
| 08:53.16 | wols_ | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 08:53.16 | dpkg | somebody said nvidia_post_etch was update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 08:53.26 | DogBoy | 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 08:54.08 | DogBoy | oh, I get it |
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| 08:54.13 | wols_ | what part of follow nvidia_post_etch is unclear? |
| 08:54.27 | DogBoy | no part of that is unclear |
| 08:54.33 | DogBoy | lol |
| 08:54.38 | DogBoy | oops hehe |
| 08:55.36 | et | the dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg was a no-op for me btw, i had to put nvidia into xorg.conf by hand ... |
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| 08:56.25 | DogBoy | wols_, you mean how come I couldn't get !nvidia_post_etch to work? |
| 08:56.38 | wols_ | no |
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| 09:01.57 | marsje | yesterday all of a sudden it seems like my clock switched from UTC to CEST (or vice versa)... how do I switch it back? |
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| 09:02.33 | marsje | I was doing some network stuff, so maybe ntp was not reachable for sometime |
| 09:03.47 | sylvain_ | §quit |
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| 09:06.24 | rootmos | marsje: the timezone will not change because ntp was not availible, do a ntpdate -q yuortntpserver |
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| 09:07.02 | my007ms | i have to upgrade to bind bind-9.5 |
| 09:07.18 | my007ms | and can not find any dpkg do i have to compile it :( ? |
| 09:07.35 | marsje | I just tried it without the -q and it didn't work, but this seems to work |
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| 09:07.55 | marsje | any idea what went wrong here, rootmos? |
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| 09:09.30 | rootmos | marsje: try to stop ntpd and do ntpdate without -q then it should work, but beware databases and some aplications doent like it when time is altered |
| 09:09.42 | marsje | rootmos: I see -q does not set the date, but it did... |
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| 09:09.47 | Inferus | apologies for asking in here, but I want to try debian and I can't find the correct vmware app to use to create a fake pc, any ideas please? |
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| 09:10.34 | marsje | rootmos: oh, it did not set the date.. it just pretends... |
| 09:11.07 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know a software synthesizer I can control with my pc keyboard? I want to play some chords and melodies w/o connecting an external MIDI keyboard on my notebook. Is this possible? |
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| 09:11.20 | rootmos | marsje: is it ok? |
| 09:11.34 | DogBoy | Inferus, you could look at this: http://www.hackaday.com/2005/10/24/how-to-vmware-player-modification/ |
| 09:12.11 | marsje | rootmos: it's ok now |
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| 09:13.25 | marsje | rootmos: still don't know what went wrong... it's weird that my time just changed without me doing anything with date/time/timezone settings (that I know off) |
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| 09:14.24 | mf|adam | Help: I did X11 updates the other day and it's broken my dual monitor setup |
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| 09:14.38 | mf|adam | can anyone help me plase |
| 09:14.41 | mf|adam | please* |
| 09:14.50 | gbaker | who knows until you ask? |
| 09:15.04 | mf|adam | Help: I did X11 updates the other day and it's broken my dual monitor setup |
| 09:15.16 | stony | so there is only an 686 xen kernel image - but none for amd64 - so the 686 image is only 32 bit - right ? |
| 09:16.50 | rootmos | marsje: you have been hacked ;) do you have the correct timezone now? (check with date) |
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| 09:19.14 | marsje | rootmos: yes, the timezone was correct already, but just the time was wrong... I had something like this before back in the time I ran Suse and it could get confused whether the system clock was set to UTC or to the local timezone... |
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| 09:19.41 | marsje | rootmos: it seemed I had UTC time in CEST timezone (2 hours difference) |
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| 09:19.58 | hellop | wols_ can you help me understand why all my executables in /bin require read access to /libs? So, a "static chmod" won't need that access? |
| 09:20.42 | ikonia | hellop: it needs read access to access the data from the lbs |
| 09:20.43 | ikonia | libs |
| 09:21.00 | hellop | every single /bin file needs to access /libs? |
| 09:21.16 | ikonia | hellop: no - it needs access to the libraries it's linked against that are stored in /lib |
| 09:21.21 | liable | unliss they statically linked, yes |
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| 09:21.30 | ikonia | exactly |
| 09:21.40 | liable | brain isnt working |
| 09:21.46 | ikonia | seems to be working fine |
| 09:21.59 | liable | not telling fingers the right keys to press :) |
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| 09:22.18 | hellop | so, wols is suggesting that I can comple a "static chmod" then upload that, to work around the lack of read perms to /libs.. I take it I have to do this on a system with the same distro/kernel? |
| 09:22.36 | ikonia | hellop: the easy way to fix it, is use a livecd as I've suggested |
| 09:22.41 | ikonia | hellop: the kernel/distro doesn't matter |
| 09:22.43 | Gabbar | Question; i want to run VHCS so which Debian version is best for this? |
| 09:22.52 | hellop | ikonia, I am 3000 miles away from the server.. I can't use a livecd |
| 09:23.08 | eth01 | KVM over IP. |
| 09:23.23 | hellop | All I have to work with is FTP access and a /libs dir chmoded to 644 |
| 09:23.30 | eth01 | SSH... |
| 09:23.31 | wols_ | hellop: no |
| 09:23.37 | eth01 | so you don't have physical access at all? |
| 09:23.53 | hellop | eth01, 3000 miles and an ocean between me and server |
| 09:23.59 | ikonia | hellop: your going to have to hire someone close to the server then |
| 09:24.02 | eth01 | hellop: this in a DC? |
| 09:24.07 | hellop | eth01 yes |
| 09:24.12 | eth01 | hellop: which one? |
| 09:24.19 | hellop | theplanet |
| 09:24.22 | eth01 | ohh |
| 09:24.32 | eth01 | i've got a few mail servers their :) |
| 09:24.42 | eth01 | (colocated in their houston dc) |
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| 09:25.12 | eth01 | looking to end the contract this month, too much latency :) |
| 09:25.25 | hellop | I am sshed in, su-ed to root. I can FTP in as a user. It seems strange to me that ftpd can list all the dirs, but /bin/ls cannot |
| 09:25.42 | eth01 | case in point, if you email them with your problem -- they'll help you? |
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| 09:26.20 | cr3_ | hi |
| 09:26.29 | hellop | yeah in like 2 days they can format and reinstall |
| 09:26.55 | hellop | basically if I don't fix it remotely now, it won't get fixed for like a week |
| 09:27.11 | liable | hellop: what about busybox chmod? |
| 09:27.18 | ikonia | hellop: if you pay for hired hands they will fix it within 30 minutes |
| 09:27.27 | cr3_ | surprisingly, for no reason, in my grub list appeared two new lines with , even though i haven't upgraded my kernel... |
| 09:28.03 | cr3_ | ending with -686 |
| 09:28.18 | cr3_ | and now i can't start X ;(((( |
| 09:28.45 | cr3_ | even when i choose -486 kernel |
| 09:30.16 | hellop | It's always the last thing you do before the system crashes. ;) shoulda rebooted when the permissions were mearly a little too lax, instead of way too secure. |
| 09:30.20 | liable | cr3_: the grub issue shouldnt have anything to do with x |
| 09:30.31 | hellop | thanks for the help though, guys... |
| 09:30.57 | hellop | I really need some kind of a watchdog that can reset my system when I screw it up.... |
| 09:31.22 | liable | or you need to just stop screwing it up :P |
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| 09:32.49 | hellop | liable, hmm maybe I should have a local test server... especially when I'm screwing with my firewall/perms/deny/IDS crap... it's like, I dunno what the side effects will always be.. |
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| 09:33.38 | hellop | e.g. default etc install has all these extra users in /etc/passwd like, ftp, mail, backup, news, etc.. all with shells: /bin/bash... so I set to /bin/false. Will that crash my system? Who knows?! |
| 09:33.51 | hellop | default etch* |
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| 09:34.35 | liable | hellop: read the securing debian manuall, dont just do random shit you dont understand |
| 09:35.27 | my007ms | any Bind9.5 available ? |
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| 09:37.15 | hellop | any hints on making a "static chmod" ? searched google.. |
| 09:37.56 | liable | hellop: did you try busybox? |
| 09:39.31 | hellop | liable, so, find a compiled busybox, then ftp it up, then run it... |
| 09:39.33 | liable | hellop: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4395 |
| 09:39.56 | liable | you should have busybox already, i dont know if its statically linked |
| 09:40.58 | liable | its not, you'll have to build one |
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| 09:41.29 | ikonia | hellop: pay $40 to a remote hands for 30 minutes work - it will be quicker and easier |
| 09:41.50 | hellop | yes, I do have /bin/busybox, but I just get that /bin/busybox permission denied... Because of no execute on /libs?? |
| 09:42.11 | hellop | ikonia, plus 5 days re-uploading 20Gigs of data... |
| 09:42.18 | ikonia | hellop: why ? |
| 09:42.18 | unsinn | hello. |
| 09:42.22 | ikonia | hellop: you don't have to have th box formated |
| 09:42.25 | ikonia | hellop: just 1 command |
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| 09:42.43 | hellop | ikonia, I don't think they will keep home.. I think they are very streamlined for the service level I have paid for... |
| 09:42.47 | ikonia | hellop: pay hired hands to do a chmod -R 775 on /lib and you can fix the rest your self |
| 09:43.03 | ikonia | hellop: don't re-install just pay them $40 for 30 minutes work to execute that command |
| 09:43.04 | wols_ | wonders what DC hands out dedis without a rescue system |
| 09:43.20 | ikonia | wols_: they ALL have hired hands, at about $90 per hour |
| 09:43.31 | hellop | ikonia, they might could do that with a live boot.. |
| 09:43.32 | ikonia | wols_: 30 minute job - makes it easier than all this messing around |
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| 09:43.45 | ikonia | hellop: exactly, put CD in - boot, type command |
| 09:43.46 | wols_ | ikonia: personally I'd never rent a server when I doN't have a rescue system set up by the hoster |
| 09:43.48 | ikonia | hellop: 30 minutes work |
| 09:43.48 | hellop | I'm afraid that is what I'll have to do... |
| 09:44.07 | ikonia | hellop: afraid ?? it's a 30 minute job, its the safest and quickest option, don't be afraid |
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| 09:44.11 | wols_ | I mean sur it's a sweet deal for them to charge 90$ for monkey work, doesn't mean I wanna pay it |
| 09:44.46 | ikonia | wols_: all depends on the deal you take, the terms are in front of you, and as you said - you wouldn't take that deal, however others such as hellop do, so have to pay the $90 |
| 09:44.51 | wols_ | ikonia: of course it's easier |
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| 09:45.00 | wols_ | but if he doesn't want to, let him |
| 09:45.15 | ikonia | sure, but he's making it so hard for himself and doesn't sound confident |
| 09:45.19 | wols_ | even the cheapest dedi servers in .de have rescue systems |
| 09:45.21 | hellop | ikonia, see I think they have so many servers that they have automated images for reinstalling.. |
| 09:45.36 | hellop | and I don't think they will/want to/do/offer keeping the home dir... |
| 09:45.36 | ikonia | hellop: are you listening "DO NOT REINSTALL" |
| 09:45.42 | ikonia | hellop: I'm not getting you to reinstall |
| 09:45.58 | ikonia | hellop: pay hired hands to boot from a cd - execute the command chmod -R 775 /lib and then reboot without the cd |
| 09:46.02 | ikonia | hellop: that is NOT re-installing |
| 09:46.04 | wols_ | ikonia: that is the point, he is not listening. you telling him the same thing over and over will only drive your blood pressure up |
| 09:46.09 | hellop | ikonia, they don't do that... |
| 09:46.16 | ikonia | hellop: all DC's will do it for a cost |
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| 09:47.22 | hellop | Quote from their whitepapers: "Reinstalls of the operating system cost $50 and all data is lost." |
| 09:47.27 | ShapeShifter_ | saluda |
| 09:47.37 | ikonia | hellop: cleraly you can't listen, it's not a re-install |
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| 09:47.45 | ikonia | hellop: it's called hired hands, pickup the phone and ask them |
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| 09:49.06 | hellop | wols_ I am listening. But there is a miscommunication. As I said, they only offer 2 services for tech support. Reboot and Reinstall. |
| 09:49.24 | ikonia | hellop: do what you wish, |
| 09:50.07 | wols_ | hellop: BULLSHIT |
| 09:50.09 | wols_ | http://www.theplanet.com/dedicated-servers/hosting-services/alpha-advanced-services/#admin |
| 09:50.12 | hellop | I wish I could. |
| 09:50.43 | ikonia | wols_: I was $7.50 out per half hour, not a bad guess |
| 09:50.44 | wols_ | "Expertise On-Demand |
| 09:50.47 | wols_ | . The Alpha Advanced Service Team is comprised of experienced hosting experts that are standing by and ready to address your administration needs from custom issue resolution to server migration services" |
| 09:51.08 | wols_ | ikonia: he is non alpha whatever. 67,50 perh half hour. gotta make a profit! |
| 09:51.19 | ikonia | of course |
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| 09:52.23 | hellop | wols_ that is not my SLA.. |
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| 09:53.17 | wols_ | hellop: what is your package then? |
| 09:54.10 | hellop | I said, free reboots, $50 reinstalls, no custom anything, very cheap. |
| 09:54.25 | wols_ | what package? |
| 09:54.28 | ikonia | hellop: pickup the phone and ask them how much for hired hands for you package |
| 09:54.32 | ikonia | waits for the next web of lies |
| 09:55.03 | hellop | wols_ they seem to respond about 1.5 -2 hours for email, tech support gets a machine. |
| 09:55.06 | hellop | hehehehe lol |
| 09:55.07 | hellop | LOOK |
| 09:55.17 | ikonia | hellop: what is the name of your package |
| 09:55.25 | hellop | I don't have theplanet. WHO my host is is irrevelent to stranges on the net. OK? |
| 09:55.26 | ikonia | on theplanet website |
| 09:55.27 | hellop | geeze |
| 09:55.37 | ikonia | hellop: ahh so you've wasted our time with lies |
| 09:55.38 | ikonia | thanks |
| 09:55.39 | wols_ | hellop: do you have a debian question? |
| 09:55.43 | ikonia | your on your own from me |
| 09:56.24 | hellop | jsut quit assuming theplanet and quit arguing this irrevelent crap. if you want to help me fix it, I can use FTP... everything worked except I did "chmod -R 644 /libs" |
| 09:56.36 | ikonia | hellop: no one assumed you said it was the planet |
| 09:56.38 | hellop | when I should have just rebooted. |
| 09:56.50 | wols_ | there is no way. if you lie: we don't help you from now on |
| 09:57.05 | ikonia | wasted my time in #ubuntu now in #debian |
| 09:57.13 | hellop | omg... |
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| 09:57.23 | hellop | Your suggestion wasn't debian or ubuntu based. |
| 09:57.38 | wols_ | hellop: then why the fuck did you ask it? |
| 09:57.45 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:57.53 | hellop | It was "call my tech guys" which you said after I told you what my SLA was, and after you said I wasn't listening. |
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| 09:57.58 | hellop | whatever |
| 09:58.05 | wols_ | ikonia: I'd suggest to do likewise |
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| 09:58.11 | ikonia | already there |
| 09:58.35 | DJsjs | hey anyone in here has a printer Deskjet d2300 ? |
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| 09:58.43 | hellop | well, I regret wols_ ignore, since he's always helped me, but, the other guy was just an ass from the start... |
| 09:58.59 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 09:58.59 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 09:59.15 | et | if you lie you lose any right to complain, so just stop ... |
| 09:59.23 | wols_ | DJsjs: and unless you give us more info this time, it won't change the answer |
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| 09:59.49 | DJsjs | wols_, i'm actually having issued connecting with the printer so when i print out something the printer just freezes |
| 09:59.51 | DJsjs | and nothing happends |
| 10:00.15 | hellop | et, I reserve the right to lie/withold irrevelent personal info. |
| 10:00.19 | wols_ | as you asked before |
| 10:00.25 | DJsjs | yeah, |
| 10:00.35 | wols_ | and you still don't give enough info for us to do ANYTHING |
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| 10:01.01 | hellop | DJsjs, I have that printer. ;) |
| 10:01.03 | jaggz1 | why's man aptitude displaying the manpage's \ codes? |
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| 10:01.12 | cr3_ | hi |
| 10:01.19 | et | hellop: as you have seen, it's not irrelevant. though luck |
| 10:01.23 | jaggz1 | didyou break it just so I would come in and hang with you? are you that lonely? |
| 10:01.37 | DJsjs | wols_, like i said when i go to system in gnome and click in printers i see three printers Deskjet-d2300-series Ready Deskjet_D2300 ready Deskjet_D2300-2 ready |
| 10:01.39 | DJsjs | and etc |
| 10:01.46 | DJsjs | hellop, how do you got it to work? |
| 10:01.54 | hellop | et, I was just being paranoid and didn't want to say who my provider was in channel... I wasn't trying to be a jerk. |
| 10:01.57 | wols_ | DJsjs: check dmesg |
| 10:02.00 | cr3_ | i wanted to install nvidia-glx but apt wants to REMOVE WHOLE X's - xserver xorg and DON't REPPLACE IT WITH NEW VERSION! what to do ? |
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| 10:02.09 | ikonia | DJsjs: be cautious of advice from hellop his system is broke and gives false information |
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| 10:02.16 | wols_ | cr3_: you give us more information |
| 10:02.25 | DJsjs | okey thnx |
| 10:02.36 | DJsjs | usblp0: USB Bidirectional printer dev 5 if 0 alt 0 proto 2 vid 0x03F0 pid 0xC302 |
| 10:02.47 | DJsjs | that's what ive got usblp0: removed |
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| 10:02.56 | wols_ | DJsjs: cat some file to the device for the printer. at most it prints gibberish |
| 10:03.16 | DJsjs | wols_, so how can i do... to set it up? |
| 10:03.20 | wols_ | cr3_: full apt command output |
| 10:03.33 | wols_ | DJsjs: I didn't say anything about set it up. |
| 10:03.57 | DJsjs | i need to set it up because i need to print out a project tomorrow for college |
| 10:04.27 | wols_ | you have two choices: either follow my advice or ignore it. if you ignore it It's be nice to tell me |
| 10:04.30 | wols_ | so what is it? |
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| 10:04.46 | hellop | et, they are just being hard headed, I asked how I could fix it using MY tools, they told me call tech support. Sorry, I already know of that option. And how to implement it. |
| 10:04.55 | cr3_ | i wanted to follow this guide http://tips-debian.blogspot.com/2008/04/install-3d-aceleration-nvidia.html, but when i try to install nvidia-glx, -> ; http://rafb.net/p/0spCdz30.html |
| 10:05.08 | cr3_ | wols_, full output: http://rafb.net/p/0spCdz30.html |
| 10:05.16 | gnunixguy | djsjs: cat some.file > /dev/lp0 ? |
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| 10:05.51 | DJsjs | -bash: /dev/lp0: Permission denied |
| 10:05.53 | hellop | DJsjs, be cautious of adive from ikonia, he will use any seemingly irrevelent thing you say against you, and the follow you around slandering you |
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| 10:06.17 | wols_ | cr3_: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
| 10:06.52 | cr3_ | wols_, ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:06.53 | gnunixguy | hellop: nvidia driver install? |
| 10:07.03 | gnunixguy | nm, wrong person :( |
| 10:07.11 | wols_ | cr3_: apt-cache policy nvidia-glx |
| 10:07.15 | gnunixguy | CR3: same question as above... |
| 10:07.18 | wols_ | cr3_: pastebin that output please |
| 10:07.47 | DJsjs | wols_, please help me? |
| 10:07.57 | wols_ | DJsjs: answer my question |
| 10:08.10 | cr3_ | wols_, http://pastebin.com/m2f2c2e87 |
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| 10:08.30 | wols_ | !tell cr3_ about nvidia_lenny |
| 10:08.35 | DJsjs | wols_, what question? |
| 10:08.35 | cr3_ | gnunixguy, i don't know if driver, i just want hardware 3d acceleration :P |
| 10:08.39 | wols_ | cr3_: what nvidia card? |
| 10:08.47 | wols_ | DJsjs: the one with the question mark at the end |
| 10:08.51 | cr3_ | wols_, geforce 7600gs |
| 10:08.59 | DJsjs | can you tell me the question again? |
| 10:09.01 | gnunixguy | cr3: install the nvidia driver from the www.nvidia.com website |
| 10:09.06 | wols_ | cr3_: dpkg gave you a howto how to do it |
| 10:09.27 | gnunixguy | sh ./NVIDIA* normally works for me :/ |
| 10:09.28 | jaggz1 | why's man aptitude displaying the manpage's \ codes? |
| 10:09.28 | wols_ | DJsjs: do not follow gnunixguy's advice. it was foolish. it will break your package management |
| 10:09.44 | cr3_ | wols_, thx |
| 10:09.44 | jaggz1 | other manpages work |
| 10:09.45 | wols_ | gnunixguy: do you want to be the only one doing tech support forever for cr3 |
| 10:09.48 | wols_ | cr3: do not follow gnunixguy's advice. it was foolish. it will break your package management |
| 10:09.49 | DJsjs | oh okety wols_ |
| 10:09.50 | DJsjs | thnx |
| 10:09.58 | cr3_ | wols_, ok :P |
| 10:10.00 | wols_ | DJsjs: wasn't for you, sorry |
| 10:10.03 | gnunixguy | ummm.. okay |
| 10:10.09 | xand | installing the nvidia driver will break package management? I never had problems with it |
| 10:10.14 | wols_ | gnunixguy: do NOT tell people in here to use nvidia.com drivers. ever |
| 10:10.22 | gnunixguy | aye, my bad :( |
| 10:10.26 | DJsjs | oh okey |
| 10:10.33 | gnunixguy | will not happen again |
| 10:10.37 | jaggz1 | they don't come in a .deb? |
| 10:10.40 | xand | wols_: how will it break? |
| 10:10.43 | wols_ | jaggz1: yes |
| 10:10.43 | jelly | xand: think "replacing packaged files in an improper way" |
| 10:10.53 | wols_ | xand: breaks when you upgrade kernels or mesa |
| 10:10.56 | wols_ | basically any dist-upgrade |
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| 10:11.29 | jelly | they could use stat-override whe they detect a debian-ish system |
| 10:11.33 | wols_ | xand: if you can handle that on your own, fine. but #debian can't intentionally break people's system even if it's a temporary fix which works for now |
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| 10:12.08 | jelly | er. /me meant divert |
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| 10:12.20 | jaggz1 | I admit I still use checkinstall for some things.. but I'm not well-read enough to know how to make a .deb any other way -- let alone any easier way. |
| 10:12.30 | wols_ | DJsjs: "id" output? |
| 10:12.38 | gnunixguy | Wols: what do you normally suggest for getting NVidia acceleration up and running? |
| 10:12.41 | DJsjs | wols_, i'll pastebin it |
| 10:12.47 | DJsjs | what dmesg tells me |
| 10:13.05 | wols_ | gnunixguy: debian packages. if all else fails a sid backport |
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| 10:13.12 | gnunixguy | aye, that works |
| 10:13.33 | wols_ | and if even sid doesn't have the drivers since the card is too new (very rare), then use nvidia's if you must but clearly state the drawbacks |
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| 10:14.01 | DJsjs | wols_, there it is http://pastebin.ca/1071644 |
| 10:14.05 | gnunixguy | aha... i will keep that in mind for future reference. |
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| 10:14.39 | wols_ | DJsjs: I did not ask that |
| 10:14.44 | wols_ | I asked other things instead |
| 10:14.59 | DJsjs | what did you asked for |
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| 10:15.53 | wols_ | scroll up |
| 10:16.16 | _ZeuZ_ | does anybody know of a speedtest I can get into my server so I can test if clients are getting the bandwidth I allowed them with tc ? |
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| 10:16.32 | wols_ | iptraf? |
| 10:16.37 | DJsjs | what's the id output |
| 10:16.53 | gnunixguy | gah! i broke tor :( brb |
| 10:17.01 | _ZeuZ_ | wols_, I was better off thinking in some speedtest-php-like or something like that |
| 10:17.28 | hellop | _ZueZ_ etherape would be perfect for that |
| 10:17.50 | _ZeuZ_ | wols_, hellop, since it has to be easily viewable from client-side without having to log into a console |
| 10:17.51 | wols_ | we are not #hotscripts here |
| 10:18.00 | hellop | To "see if they are getting the bandwidth" -in realtime But, not so much for logging it. |
| 10:18.09 | wols_ | ntop then perhaps |
| 10:18.25 | hellop | _ZueZ, have them download a file and time it? |
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| 10:18.39 | _ZeuZ_ | wols_, something easier? I made one in ASP, but dunno if it worths installing ASP packages |
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| 10:18.54 | _ZeuZ_ | hellop, they don't get that 128kbps means 128/8kb/s |
| 10:19.05 | _ZeuZ_ | (well, actually a little less) |
| 10:19.08 | diilbertAtWork | How do I remove the password prompt when I resume from suspend? |
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| 10:20.38 | hellop | "they" so you mean you want a "speedtest.net" webpage type thing for your clients? |
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| 10:21.24 | _ZeuZ_ | hellop, actually, the thing is to messure if the inner network is shaping correctly, since to get outside, we depend on somebody else |
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| 10:21.35 | _ZeuZ_ | and that other network is... often down |
| 10:21.51 | _ZeuZ_ | so I want clients to be sure they're being shaped fine in the server (with something they can understand) |
| 10:21.59 | _ZeuZ_ | and that the problem is not our x'D |
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| 10:22.52 | hellop | So, you need a user-friendly http-download-timer script... |
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| 10:23.37 | _ZeuZ_ | hellop, yup... as I previously said, I have allready made one in ASP... but, does it worth it installing ASP libraries for lighttpd? |
| 10:23.49 | hellop | _ZueZ, maybe you should ask in a php or javascript channel |
| 10:23.54 | hellop | NO |
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| 10:24.21 | _ZeuZ_ | hellop, thought that xD |
| 10:24.26 | _ZeuZ_ | hellop, Ok, thanks |
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| 10:24.38 | hellop | it's not worth it because you would be polluting your linux with microsoft closed source evil |
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| 10:25.41 | MacGyverNL | .so files are libraries, right? Like .dll's in windows? |
| 10:25.48 | MacGyverNL | What are .la files? |
| 10:26.05 | arafangion | Hey, why is it that a line in /etc/modules does not seem to have any effect? (I have to manually modprobe it) |
| 10:26.07 | wols_ | yes they are. .la are static libs |
| 10:26.18 | wols_ | !tell arafangion about errors |
| 10:26.19 | xand | arafangion: have a look in dmesg |
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| 10:26.43 | MacGyverNL | wols_: Ah, right, thanks. |
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| 10:26.58 | arafangion | wols_, The error is "a little blue light fails to light up until I modprobe asus_acpi, and having asus_acpi in the modules file is not enough". |
| 10:27.47 | arafangion | xand, I can't find anything particularly inspiring in dmesg this time, either. :( |
| 10:27.52 | wols_ | as xand says, check dmesg |
| 10:28.28 | arafangion | I'll cut and paste dmesg for you... Just a moment. |
| 10:28.36 | arafangion | rafb.net ok? |
| 10:28.49 | DJsjs | wols_, i'm in localhost:631 |
| 10:28.57 | DJsjs | i try printing from there but is not working |
| 10:29.38 | arafangion | http://rafb.net/p/cfTu7U70.html |
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| 10:30.21 | DJsjs | any ideas wols_ ? |
| 10:30.30 | DJsjs | is it possible that my printer needs driverS? |
| 10:31.13 | cr3_ | http://pastebin.com/m412adcd4 |
| 10:31.18 | cr3_ | what to do? remove it? |
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| 10:31.37 | cr3_ | i mean xserver-xorg-video |
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| 10:32.02 | arafangion | cr3_, Remove your old nvidia driver first. |
| 10:33.09 | cr3_ | arafangion, but i didn't install it? |
| 10:33.34 | wols_ | DJsjs: no. do what I asked you or stop talking to me. I'm sick of you constantly asking but never listening what I say |
| 10:33.38 | cr3_ | or maybe its xserver's -something -nvidia? coz i remember x installed it |
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| 10:33.59 | wols_ | cr3_: why do you install 87.76? |
| 10:34.22 | cr3_ | wols_, this is what this package does |
| 10:34.44 | wols_ | cr3_: I told you what to do. this is not what I told you at all |
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| 10:35.39 | cr3_ | wols_, u said ' dpkg gave you a howto how to do it' so i did how-to |
| 10:35.44 | cr3_ | compiled from source |
| 10:35.55 | cr3_ | added key to repo |
| 10:36.38 | wols_ | cr3_: no you did not since you got 87.76 |
| 10:36.41 | cr3_ | now i have the following fies |
| 10:36.43 | cr3_ | ./nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.8776-4.dsc |
| 10:36.43 | cr3_ | ./nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.8776-4_i386.deb |
| 10:36.44 | cr3_ | ./nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.8776-4_i386.changes |
| 10:36.44 | cr3_ | ./nvidia-graphics-drivers_1.0.8776-4.diff.gz |
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| 10:37.04 | cr3_ | oops |
| 10:37.25 | wols_ | cr3_: wrong. 87.76 is in NO sid repo whatsoever. your sources.list is wrong for what you run |
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| 10:37.44 | arafangion | wols_, Why would a newbie be running sid? |
| 10:37.56 | Guerin | because of the Fail Imperative |
| 10:38.15 | cr3_ | deb-src http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ sid main <- isn't this sid? |
| 10:38.18 | wols_ | arafangion: he runs lenny. and why do you even have to ask? |
| 10:38.34 | wols_ | cr3_: it is but there is no nvidia file in that repo at all |
| 10:38.40 | streuner | Guerin: hehe :-) |
| 10:38.51 | arafangion | wols_, I ask because that is what I am. |
| 10:39.01 | wols_ | cr3_: and NO one told you to add this to your sources.list either |
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| 10:39.41 | cr3_ | wols_, this is what i got from dpkg... 'Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid' and u told me to do this :P |
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| 10:40.03 | wols_ | cr3_: main != contrib or non-free |
| 10:41.44 | arcsky | If i want to resize my jfs partition, how can i do that ? gparted doesnt work with jfs. |
| 10:42.57 | gnunixguy | arcsky: are you using LVM or just straight up JFS? |
| 10:44.01 | arcsky | just normal jfs |
| 10:44.11 | hellop | cr3, A suggestion: take some time and do "apt-get show <package>" on the various xorg and xserver packages. See what they require/provide, so you will know. |
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| 10:49.07 | Tipolosko | gnunixguy: arcsky is trying to resize a jffs2 partition :) |
| 10:51.01 | gnunixguy | aye, sorry.. i use LVM, not sure about the gparted issues |
| 10:52.20 | gnunixguy | google results show that it can be resized with gparted |
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| 10:53.02 | Tipolosko | gnunixguy: gparted is not able to resize jffs2 partitions O_o |
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| 10:53.28 | Tipolosko | "According to it's feature list, it cannot handle jffs2" |
| 10:53.39 | gnunixguy | okay, then which FS are you trying to resize? |
| 10:53.48 | gnunixguy | root or other? |
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| 10:54.10 | Tipolosko | root fs on a compat flash |
| 10:54.20 | Tipolosko | put that in a card reader in a linux running system |
| 10:54.45 | gnunixguy | so its in a different system and not mounted correct? |
| 10:55.24 | gnunixguy | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2005-12/msg02942.html is a good start |
| 10:55.27 | Tipolosko | gnunixguy: in his system is working correctly |
| 10:55.36 | Tipolosko | but have a small root fs (15mb) |
| 10:55.40 | Tipolosko | so it want to enlarge it |
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| 10:55.48 | Tipolosko | but being jffs2 seems to be a big problem :) |
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| 10:58.35 | gnunixguy | im doing more searching |
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| 10:59.55 | mrglinux | when I chek port localhost 21 is refer to ftp is open but I don't know what is my ftp server ..how to know? |
| 11:00.18 | Tipolosko | note: the file system is jffs2 (flash file system), not jfs :) |
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| 11:02.48 | gnunixguy | yeah, i noted that part... but im not seeing anything that leads me to an answer for you tipolosko |
| 11:03.43 | Tipolosko | thanks anyway, gnunixguy :) |
| 11:03.45 | Tipolosko | :D |
| 11:03.49 | gnunixguy | np ;) |
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| 11:04.33 | RichiH | is there any sane reason for find to hang? |
| 11:05.01 | RichiH | from cicrumstantial evidence, it seems it _did_ hang in a script |
| 11:05.32 | tarzeau | RichiH: hardware or network failure? |
| 11:05.45 | tarzeau | RichiH: or a process hang caused by one of the above, see ps status? |
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| 11:07.29 | RichiH | tarzeau: local raid 6 with 10 tb, but it did not throw errors |
| 11:07.48 | RichiH | tarzeau: also, i want the diffs that gnustep uses for its sauerbraten server |
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| 11:08.44 | tarzeau | RichiH: it's stock debian packages? |
| 11:09.05 | tarzeau | RichiH: you mean the server called GNUSTEP on sauerbraten meta servers, or the sauerbraten server on the livecd.gnustep.org CD? |
| 11:09.30 | RichiH | tarzeau: the one called GNUSTEP. it limits the game modes you are allowed to choose from |
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| 11:09.47 | tarzeau | RichiH: how can i start it unlimited? or you want the server password? |
| 11:10.11 | tarzeau | RichiH: i'm starting it like /usr/games/sauerbraten-server -n"NOT4YOU" -psilver -c128 |
| 11:10.25 | RichiH | tarzeau: i want the diff from the original sources |
| 11:10.32 | cr3_ | what to do if i have following error from dpkg -i : 'nvidia-glx depends on nvidia-kernel-173.14.09' and i have package nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-2_i386.deb? how to compile this 'kernel-source-in-package' ? |
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| 11:11.07 | et | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 11:11.07 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia_post_etch is update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 11:11.18 | tarzeau | RichiH: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/s/sauerbraten/sauerbraten_0.0.20080620.dfsg-1.diff.gz |
| 11:11.21 | et | cr3_: the m-a bits |
| 11:11.33 | tarzeau | RichiH: i just picked the sid package then compiled it on etch... |
| 11:11.41 | trinux | i am sure the sauerbraten has to do with find to break |
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| 11:12.16 | RichiH | trinux: the two boxes are not even in the same rack |
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| 11:13.03 | trinux | RichiH: i was just kidding cause my face turns green on the food sauerbraten |
| 11:13.42 | trinux | RichiH: do you have a chance to strace the script and/or find? |
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| 11:14.16 | cr3_ | et, i don't know wut the hell that means, but i copypasted the command and The following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 but it is not installable. however, i cannot install this package as i said before |
| 11:14.53 | et | cr3_: did you do the module-assistant steps? did they succeed? |
| 11:15.10 | RichiH | trinux: yes. but i also want to know if anyone knows anything about something like this happening |
| 11:15.27 | wols_ | cr3_: you need to build that package |
| 11:15.39 | cr3_ | wols_, i did that |
| 11:15.55 | cr3_ | now its nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-2_i386.deb |
| 11:15.58 | wols_ | cr3_: no you did not. you need to build the kernel module from the kernel-source package with m-a |
| 11:16.09 | wols_ | cr3_: yes and that you have to compile with m-a |
| 11:16.17 | wols_ | as describe in nvidia_post_etch factoi |
| 11:16.17 | wols_ | d |
| 11:16.18 | cr3_ | moduleassistant |
| 11:16.25 | kjs | guys, this debian box im on has no groupadd ?? |
| 11:16.28 | cr3_ | i have no such thing |
| 11:16.37 | kjs | ahh |
| 11:16.39 | kjs | my bad |
| 11:16.42 | tarzeau | kjs: adduser user group ? |
| 11:17.04 | cr3_ | i mean module-assistant, not groupadd :P |
| 11:17.22 | cr3_ | and can't install it |
| 11:17.25 | trinux | RichiH: on what filesystem does find run? |
| 11:17.27 | kjs | how do I go about adding a user to a group in debian, i want to keep the existing groups as is but add the user to an additional new group I have just created., |
| 11:17.45 | tarzeau | kjs: i just told you? |
| 11:17.56 | wols_ | kjs: dpkg -l | grep passwd |
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| 11:18.55 | kjs | tarzeau: cheers |
| 11:18.56 | cr3_ | et, what do you mean by module assistant step? that very long command with &&'s ? |
| 11:19.11 | RichiH | trinux: xfs |
| 11:19.12 | et | cr3_: it's many commands combined with && |
| 11:19.40 | cr3_ | et, i copypasted the command and the following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 but it is not installable. |
| 11:20.14 | cr3_ | et, but i've got them compiled |
| 11:20.15 | wols_ | et: don't you love it when they ignore what you just said? several times? |
| 11:20.23 | trinux | RichiH: on NFS and Solaris there is bug #12044 (gnu.org) and bug #8455 talks about an anomaly on large xfs filesystems |
| 11:20.32 | cr3_ | wols_, but i cant do module assistant thing |
| 11:20.44 | wols_ | cr3_: you don't. you do not have a nvidia-kernel-173.x but you ahve a nvidia-kernel-source-x |
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| 11:20.50 | wols_ | of course you can |
| 11:21.07 | cr3_ | i don't know how to build the kernel module from the kernel-source package with m-a |
| 11:21.18 | et | the factoid TELLS YOU HOW. |
| 11:21.19 | cr3_ | coz i don't have module assistant |
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| 11:21.31 | et | the factoid tells you to install it |
| 11:21.38 | trinux | cr3_: aptitude install build-essential |
| 11:21.43 | cr3_ | but i have unmet dependencies |
| 11:22.12 | et | dude |
| 11:22.16 | cr3_ | build-essential is already the newest version |
| 11:22.31 | trinux | !paste |
| 11:22.32 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 11:22.50 | trinux | cr3_: can you paste the unmet dependencies ^^ there |
| 11:23.13 | cr3_ | trinux, as its less than 3 lines: |
| 11:23.15 | cr3_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:24.10 | trinux | cr3_: so try: aptitude remove nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 |
| 11:24.15 | et | cr3_: nobody cares about that line |
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| 11:24.43 | trinux | wait, that was nonesense what i said |
| 11:24.48 | et | you don't install nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 via aptitude, you do it via module-assistant |
| 11:24.58 | et | and the factoid tells you how |
| 11:25.01 | et | so do it |
| 11:25.03 | trinux | stands behind et |
| 11:25.13 | cr3_ | http://rafb.net/p/VjkEfo11.html <- output following long command |
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| 11:25.35 | cr3_ | oops, it isnt |
| 11:25.42 | wols_ | cr3_: remove nvidia-glx |
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| 11:25.49 | wols_ | and install it LAST |
| 11:25.53 | cr3_ | ok |
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| 11:29.26 | RichiH | trinux: do you have a direct link to 8455? |
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| 11:29.40 | RichiH | http://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?8455 |
| 11:29.41 | RichiH | ta |
| 11:30.01 | liable | da |
| 11:30.07 | cr3_ | so now the long command (install module assistant) and then install (dpkg -i) packages compiled from deb-src ? as in dpkg's 'nvidia_lenny'? .... |
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| 11:31.14 | liable | what? |
| 11:31.21 | liable | unable to parse |
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| 11:32.04 | cr3_ | ehh i need to reboot |
| 11:32.17 | wols_ | no you don't |
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| 11:33.00 | trinux | RichiH: quite old, but: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-findutils/2004-12/msg00023.html |
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| 11:34.12 | trinux | oh no, second glitch in 5 minutes. i need a coffee |
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| 11:40.18 | streuner1 | wb(r) abrotman |
| 11:40.40 | abrotman | hi |
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| 11:42.42 | arafangion | Speaking of coffee, my coffee exploded this morning. :( |
| 11:43.00 | abrotman | exploded? |
| 11:43.48 | arafangion | Yup - exploded. It was being done in a turkish coffee pot, but I didn't look at it for the smallest moment, so it foamed up and then exploded! |
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| 11:47.20 | trinux | arafangion: you put it in the microwave and the pot had some metal around? |
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| 11:48.21 | Roconda | hey, I am missing lib res_mkquery,.. I treid to search for it but cannot find it. How to install that lib ? |
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| 11:48.54 | abrotman | you tried apt-cache and apt-file ? |
| 11:49.00 | Roconda | yeah |
| 11:49.01 | Veros | is there a way to run an ubuntu application in debian? |
| 11:49.13 | abrotman | you can try, it might explode |
| 11:49.15 | arafangion | trinux, No, it's just a property of turkish coffee. |
| 11:49.20 | _ZeuZ_ | what might I have missed in kernel configuration that now in my new kernel I don't have the modules for conntrack ? |
| 11:49.29 | trinux | arafangion: that stuff is really powerful then :D |
| 11:49.33 | Roconda | It has to do something with bind, but I don't now for sure abrotman |
| 11:50.08 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, Linux applications, if compiled for the same arch, will run seemless not-regarding the distro |
| 11:50.21 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, if you were asking about installing packages, you can. Still it's NOT recommended |
| 11:50.35 | Veros | it tells me this: /lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found, although that files exists |
| 11:50.51 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, it does? ;) |
| 11:51.02 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: that is not true |
| 11:51.09 | abrotman | not true at all |
| 11:51.12 | Veros | what? |
| 11:51.27 | Veros | abrotman: how can I make that program run in debian? |
| 11:51.36 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, do here in your IRC client the following: /exec -o ls /lib/tls | grep libc.so.6 |
| 11:51.37 | abrotman | Veros: etch has libc6 2.3.6 |
| 11:51.53 | abrotman | Veros: what are you trying to run? |
| 11:51.55 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, well it also depends on dependencies of course |
| 11:52.02 | abrotman | which makes your statement false |
| 11:52.13 | arafangion | trinux, Yup, I make it with one and a half teaspoons of very fine coffee. :) |
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| 11:52.23 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, it'ssupposed that you're gonna take care of that before installing an external package, or so you should do |
| 11:52.26 | Veros | that's an satellite file delivery application |
| 11:52.41 | Veros | it runs in ubuntu |
| 11:52.51 | abrotman | Veros: etch has a libc6 2.3.6 .. only lenny/sid have 2.7 (which would satisfy the issue) |
| 11:52.57 | Roconda | hey, I am missing lib res_mkquery,.. I tried to search for it but cannot find it. How to install that lib ? |
| 11:53.04 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, your problem is that your version of libc is not the correct one |
| 11:53.14 | _ZeuZ_ | s/libc/libc6/ |
| 11:53.20 | abrotman | Veros: why are you trying to run it on Debian instead of Ubuntu? |
| 11:53.25 | _ZeuZ_ | to satisfy the program needs |
| 11:53.33 | abrotman | stop repeating what i say |
| 11:53.39 | Veros | koz I have debian installed |
| 11:53.54 | abrotman | Veros: i mean .. are the deployment systems Debian? |
| 11:54.04 | Veros | what does that mean? |
| 11:54.07 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, you're a little upset today it seems... |
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| 11:54.16 | liable | hes getting old |
| 11:54.18 | abrotman | it's just you |
| 11:54.21 | liable | and grumpy |
| 11:54.26 | Veros | deploynent systems? |
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| 11:54.37 | abrotman | Veros: how many systems are you deploying this on? just your one workstation/server? |
| 11:54.48 | Veros | just my desktop) |
| 11:54.51 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, he means why installing from an ubuntu repo or ubuntu-packaged-for file if it can be in the Debian repos |
| 11:54.55 | abrotman | no |
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| 11:55.05 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, oh, then I said nothing |
| 11:55.05 | Veros | oh, it is not from repo |
| 11:55.16 | Veros | the author just releases on site |
| 11:55.22 | abrotman | Veros: have the URL ? |
| 11:55.26 | Veros | not even site, but forum |
| 11:55.26 | heroxbd | When I '$ ssh <remote host> -X' and run '$ iceweasel' there, how can I use a input method? |
| 11:55.32 | Veros | it's russian=) |
| 11:55.40 | abrotman | uhm .. i'll try :) |
| 11:55.51 | _ZeuZ_ | loves Babelfish for this situations :) |
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| 11:56.34 | Veros | abrotman: you want direct link to the program? |
| 11:56.43 | abrotman | Veros: to the download page |
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| 11:56.51 | Veros | http://viaccessfree.biz/forum/showthread.php?p=270501#post270501 |
| 11:56.59 | heroxbd | I have scim running locally but the remote X programs just donot admit scim input. |
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| 11:57.16 | Veros | abrotman: a84_public.zip there |
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| 11:58.05 | abrotman | Veros: apparently russian isn't like spanish :) |
| 11:58.18 | Veros | heh=) |
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| 11:58.37 | Veros | ask, I'll translate |
| 11:58.39 | abrotman | bah .. i have to login to use it |
| 11:58.42 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, you spanish-speaker? or you mean it because of it's easy understanding "feature"? |
| 11:58.53 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, try bugmenot |
| 11:58.59 | abrotman | Veros: what's the name of the actual package? |
| 11:59.01 | _ZeuZ_ | (it should save you registering) |
| 11:59.02 | Veros | abrotman: I'll upload somewhere else if you wnna |
| 11:59.11 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: no, i'm not, but i can get the gist |
| 11:59.18 | Veros | abrotman: not package=) just executable |
| 11:59.24 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
| 11:59.30 | Veros | it isn't in repo 100% sure |
| 11:59.44 | Veros | may I upload somewhere for you? |
| 12:00.22 | abrotman | Veros: it's not going to matter |
| 12:00.27 | Veros | ok |
| 12:00.30 | abrotman | i thought you had the source available in some form |
| 12:00.43 | Veros | nope, it's closed source |
| 12:01.03 | Veros | no way to install the version of libc6 it needs? |
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| 12:01.17 | abrotman | there's a way to assert a different libc6 .. but i can't find it on google |
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| 12:01.34 | abrotman | and it doesn't always work |
| 12:01.38 | Veros | hmm:( |
| 12:02.21 | abrotman | i'm trying to find it |
| 12:02.26 | Veros | don't want to install ubuntu just for that program:( |
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| 12:02.35 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, You could also try on getting libc6 with a newer version from Lenny/SID/Experimental, though that *MIGHT* cause issues |
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| 12:02.58 | jelly | _ZeuZ_: that is the road to failure |
| 12:03.03 | arafangion | Veros, You could install it in a virtual machine, copy all the files over to a chroot, and then run it in there? (That's quite a bit of work, though) |
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| 12:03.21 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: could you stop? |
| 12:03.21 | Jemt | I can't remember how much stuff I've installed from Testing on a Stable system, and it has never caused me problems |
| 12:03.22 | arafangion | jelly, Understatement of the century. |
| 12:03.22 | _ZeuZ_ | jelly, but *sometimes* it solves a problem |
| 12:03.54 | Jemt | Might have been lucky that dependencies were unchanged though |
| 12:03.55 | arafangion | _ZeuZ_, But in doing so, you've caused a gazillion other problems. |
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| 12:04.12 | Niklas- | Hey, anyone who knows how to get the nvidia gfx driver to work under 2.6.25.9 kernel? |
| 12:04.14 | jelly | _ZeuZ_: yes, if you're a seasoned linux admin, I can see it sometimes being the sensible way to make things work. Not for a casual user though. |
| 12:04.20 | _ZeuZ_ | arafangion, noted the *sometimes*? hehe |
| 12:04.36 | Veros | I could try anything now if there is at least a little chance |
| 12:04.37 | Jemt | !tell Niklas- about nvidia one-liner |
| 12:04.37 | _ZeuZ_ | jelly, well, I'm pretty noob I have to admit that.. |
| 12:04.38 | abrotman | how bout .. never? |
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| 12:04.43 | arafangion | _ZeuZ_, I don't think ascii text is capable of sufficient emphasis. |
| 12:04.51 | abrotman | Veros: if you go to Lenny, it will solve the problem, but then it's not Debian/stable |
| 12:05.15 | jelly | arafangion: like --==*DON'T *DO* *THAT*==-- |
| 12:05.19 | Veros | I'll just try |
| 12:05.32 | Veros | and revert if no luck |
| 12:05.40 | arafangion | jelly, That's almost sufficient, not a bad attempt, that. :) |
| 12:05.46 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, reverting things is not allways an easy road |
| 12:06.00 | Veros | _ZeuZ_: what? I meant revert changes |
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| 12:06.16 | abrotman | Veros: if you go to Lenny you cannot downgrade |
| 12:06.22 | jelly | arafangion: or that little phrase dpkg wants you to repeat when you're trying to delete an Essential package |
| 12:06.28 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, that's what I meant.... take in count that for example nor aptitude nor apt-get have a rollback-like feature |
| 12:06.37 | abrotman | Veros: or let me rephrase .. it is very very difficult to downgrade |
| 12:07.05 | jelly | Veros: in other words, you can revert by restoring from a valid backup |
| 12:07.06 | Veros | I have a system backup, so I'll just restore the changed files and delete new ones, and that's easy |
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| 12:07.21 | jelly | right |
| 12:07.28 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, having you said that, go for it |
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| 12:08.04 | Niklas- | Jemt: nope |
| 12:08.07 | _ZeuZ_ | Goes to the medic, goddamned flu |
| 12:08.08 | Veros | yeah, but where's the so called 'lenny' ? |
| 12:08.36 | Veros | this one - http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libc6 ? |
| 12:08.38 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, Lenny is the next-to-come stable to say it some way... it's a different branch |
| 12:09.00 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, well, if you download and install that deb and satisfy the dependencies, then it should be good enough |
| 12:09.43 | Veros | I guess just extracting that one file and putting there won't work? |
| 12:10.17 | _ZeuZ_ | ermm.. long time using windows, right? :) |
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| 12:10.37 | Veros | yes, windoser speaking here :) |
| 12:10.46 | mordy_ | windozer |
| 12:10.54 | Veros | whateva |
| 12:11.11 | _ZeuZ_ | Veros, you could do something similar but it involves path-linking and stuff you wouldn;t like to try out |
| 12:11.14 | _ZeuZ_ | simply download the deb |
| 12:11.22 | abrotman | why does he keep repeating what i say? |
| 12:11.24 | _ZeuZ_ | and dpkg -i it, (as root or with sudo) |
| 12:11.38 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, now what did I repeat? |
| 12:11.40 | Veros | abrotman: me? |
| 12:11.43 | abrotman | no not you |
| 12:11.45 | Veros | oh |
| 12:11.57 | abrotman | he cannot "simply download libc6" and install it |
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| 12:11.58 | mordy_ | can anyone help me with my wifi - it connects - but then drops the signal - it worked before - dmsg "link becomes ready" "link not redy" |
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| 12:12.08 | abrotman | mordy_: you found us! |
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| 12:12.34 | mordy_ | i was here on friday night, i think |
| 12:12.37 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, read what I said, and I didnot say THAT |
| 12:12.45 | Veros | ok, guys, maybe I'm too noob not to wait for a normal release of that program |
| 12:12.45 | mordy_ | abrotman: i'm your new stalker :D |
| 12:13.16 | Veros | (which will run ok on debian) |
| 12:13.17 | arafangion | mordy_, Careful, you may find your life cut short. |
| 12:13.18 | abrotman | Veros: going to lenny is your "least painful" option |
| 12:13.37 | mordy_ | arafangion: i have *connections* |
| 12:13.38 | _ZeuZ_ | Agrees with abrotman for the first time in it's life |
| 12:13.42 | arafangion | Veros, Going to lenny has one big advantage over other options - your system will eventually become the "stable" distro. |
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| 12:14.01 | Veros | after everything said, I'm afraid of that option...sounds like it will screw everything |
| 12:14.02 | abrotman | odd, since you keep repeating what i say |
| 12:14.14 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, paste yous and MINE and show where I repeat |
| 12:14.16 | abrotman | Veros: not really, my laptop at home runs lenny, and it's fairly painless |
| 12:14.17 | kjs | How do i force a new dir/file created in a certain dir, to have 770 perms ? |
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| 12:14.31 | kjs | I have the SGID set but need the perms to be 700 |
| 12:14.37 | kjs | 770 i ment. |
| 12:14.38 | abrotman | Veros: i also have a machine in my office running lenny (internal) |
| 12:14.59 | Veros | Is lenny a codename or something? |
| 12:15.12 | Veros | like "etch" ? :) |
| 12:15.12 | arafangion | Veros, It's a version of debian. |
| 12:15.13 | abrotman | Veros: lenny is the code name for the current version of Debian/testing .. |
| 12:15.18 | Veros | forgive my noobness) |
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| 12:15.36 | abrotman | Veros: yes, just like etch. At some point in the future, Lenny will be released, and then it becomes "stable" |
| 12:15.37 | mordy_ | it's the name of Leonard T. Garchester, after he lost his job |
| 12:15.55 | abrotman | Veros: and then etch will become "oldstable" |
| 12:16.08 | _ZeuZ_ | And potatoe will still rock |
| 12:16.11 | Veros | I guess it will take some time, it took like 5 years between 3.0 and 4.0 , right? |
| 12:16.17 | kjs | this must be quite a common thing ? |
| 12:16.37 | abrotman | eh .. maybe i was confusing ASSUME_LIBC with ASSUME_KERNEL |
| 12:16.42 | mordy_ | but can anyone help me with my wifi? i don't know what to do :(( |
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| 12:16.47 | arafangion | Veros, Debian doesn't support the m68k anymore, so releases should be slightly faster than they used to be in the past. |
| 12:16.51 | abrotman | Veros: the current projection is some time toward the end of the year |
| 12:16.58 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 12:16.59 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/06/msg00000.html, or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 12:17.08 | Veros | cool |
| 12:17.17 | arafangion | abrotman, Sounds like I should upgrade my sarge systems soon? ;) |
| 12:17.31 | abrotman | arafangion: uh .. yeah .. i've got one here i'd like to kill off .. |
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| 12:18.29 | Veros | ok, folks, you've been very helpful, thanks! I'll try lenny, have a nice time everyone |
| 12:18.37 | abrotman | !tell Veros about etch->lenny |
| 12:19.02 | Veros | okie:) |
| 12:19.05 | marsje | How about 4.0r4 (etch-and-a-half)? |
| 12:19.09 | marsje | anyone knows when this is planned? |
| 12:19.21 | mordy_ | etch a sketch |
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| 12:20.06 | Jemt | Niklas-: Nope what ? |
| 12:20.07 | abrotman | marsje: i'm not sure there's a deadline for that .. |
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| 12:20.17 | mordy_ | *sigh* :( |
| 12:20.17 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 12:20.18 | dpkg | methinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 12:20.29 | arafangion | abrotman, I was upgrading a sarge system used for a business, actually, all I managed to have time to do was to upgrade it to the same system, then get a samba backport. :( |
| 12:20.37 | abrotman | mordy_: there is also #wireless if no one here answers you |
| 12:20.43 | marsje | abrotman: usually there is no deadline... but sometimes there is a feeling when it will be ready ;-) |
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| 12:20.50 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 12:20.53 | abrotman | marsje: the wikipage might say |
| 12:21.18 | marsje | abrotman: I didn't see any dates mentioned.. I couldn't even find out whether it was released, cancelled or still busy... |
| 12:21.40 | abrotman | marsje: i can only say that it hasn't happened, yet |
| 12:21.49 | marsje | I figured that :) |
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| 12:21.55 | marsje | I'd like that new kernel... |
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| 12:22.14 | abrotman | you can test it now |
| 12:22.19 | abrotman | the wiki page tells you how |
| 12:22.43 | marsje | abrotman: but how do I know if it won't ruin my system? |
| 12:22.48 | psychon | anyone can give me a hint on why buildd_alpha-goetz stopped working? |
| 12:22.52 | abrotman | just like any other pacakge/upgrade .. you won't |
| 12:23.33 | marsje | abrotman: it's all about probability |
| 12:24.07 | abrotman | though not to be a wet blanket .. that's a lot of stuff in the proposed-updates |
| 12:24.10 | marsje | but right now I don't have any idea about the status of r4... it's could be nearly finished or very unfinished |
| 12:24.33 | Niklas- | Jemt: no to thats how you get the nvidia stuff working with 2.6.25 :) |
| 12:24.45 | abrotman | marsje: there is a status page that shows possible updates for r4 |
| 12:24.52 | abrotman | if i could find it |
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| 12:25.03 | mordy_ | well, #wireless is rather empty |
| 12:25.56 | abrotman | it is? |
| 12:26.02 | abrotman | 61 people |
| 12:26.17 | mordy_ | yes, although i don't know how to get the userlist on xchat - but it doesn't seem very active |
| 12:26.37 | mordy_ | #wireless on freenode? |
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| 12:28.34 | Rapp | hi everyone! |
| 12:28.52 | Rapp | which package contains the gnu make texinfo manual? |
| 12:29.00 | liable | the wireless channel is useless |
| 12:29.39 | mordy_ | well, can you help me then? :p |
| 12:31.35 | trinux | since adam and eve we know that the evil is lacking a wire |
| 12:31.35 | liable | supply some actual details and we can start |
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| 12:33.24 | mordy_ | well, i'm pretty new to this: i downloaded and unpackaged the firmware for my wifi card (ipw2200) and it worked for a while - then i rebooted (and perhaps did some other things whcih i forgot) - it connects to the AP but then disconnects |
| 12:34.20 | abrotman | wonders if two apps are trying to control the wifi |
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| 12:35.13 | mordy_ | how wouwld i check? interface file is here: http://paste.lisp.org/display/63666#1 |
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| 12:36.16 | mordy_ | but let me see what processes are running. maybe i can get an idea |
| 12:37.58 | psychon | so anyone can give me a hint about that buildd? |
| 12:38.12 | mordy_ | hmm... i think you were right - let me just make sure |
| 12:38.29 | abrotman | psychon: you'd probably do better to ask the debian-devel mailing list |
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| 12:39.48 | psychon | hm... thanks :/ |
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| 12:40.23 | abrotman | psychon: it's a Debian buildd ? |
| 12:40.32 | psychon | yeah |
| 12:40.37 | psychon | http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/architecture.php?suite=unstable&a=alpha&buildd=buildd_alpha-goetz |
| 12:41.01 | mordy_ | hmm.. now i don't know what to do now - now it's connected, but i can't even ping my router |
| 12:41.02 | psychon | notice that 'Built' list |
| 12:41.03 | mordy_ | :-? |
| 12:41.25 | psychon | that buildd didnt build anything since 2 days and it didnt upload the finished packages either |
| 12:41.37 | abrotman | psychon: you could also try asking the debian-devel channel on OFTC |
| 12:44.08 | jelly | goetz is goatzed? |
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| 12:46.33 | mordy_ | where do i add routes? |
| 12:46.55 | abrotman | psychon: i meant on OFTC .. not freenode |
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| 12:47.04 | Jemt | Niklas-: Use the official driver then :) |
| 12:47.10 | psychon | abrotman: doing so already |
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| 12:47.31 | psychon | i was informed that it's '<weasel> because goetz is down.' |
| 12:48.43 | liable | mordy_: how are you connecting? with a manager or just from inetrfaces, or manually? |
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| 12:49.33 | abrotman | psychon: well .. duh :) |
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| 12:50.01 | andreas__ | how do i easy update programs i have installed ? |
| 12:50.13 | liable | !reference |
| 12:50.13 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'aptitude install debian-reference'. |
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| 12:50.15 | abrotman | which version of debian, and which programs? |
| 12:50.17 | psychon | yeah... so no 'urgency=high' package migrated to testing because it's not done for alpha yet :/ |
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| 12:50.52 | liable | andreas__: ^^ that erefernce doc is actually quite handy for a new debian user. highly recommended |
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| 12:51.47 | kes0 | liable: ah okey , thank you =) |
| 12:52.09 | mordy_ | abrotman: i'm connecting with a manager |
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| 12:52.41 | mordy_ | gnome nm-applet |
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| 12:55.25 | mordy_ | liable: i'm using a manager - gnome nm-applet |
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| 12:55.56 | liable | mordy_: and it shows you connected? |
| 12:56.02 | mordy_ | yes |
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| 12:56.20 | mordy_ | the wireless light on my router also blinks occasionally |
| 12:56.33 | liable | mordy_: and ifconfig/iwconfig/route show what? |
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| 12:57.19 | mordy_ | i'll paste the output ... one sec.. |
| 12:58.05 | mordy_ | http://paste.lisp.org/display/63666#2 |
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| 13:00.22 | mordy_ | liable: http://paste.lisp.org/display/63666#2 |
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| 13:02.28 | liable | mordy_: so take eth0 down. have you got eth0 configured in interfaces, and wireless with NM ? |
| 13:02.32 | memelo | how can create packages udeb? |
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| 13:03.18 | liable | memelo: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/doc/talks/debconf6/paper/index.html#id2535182 |
| 13:03.20 | mordy_ | eth0 is my wired connection - i have it connected so i can do copy/pastes |
| 13:04.20 | liable | mordy_: well your wireless looks fine. you just dont have a route for it. if you take eth0 down and run dhclient eth1, it should work |
| 13:04.33 | mordy_ | hmm.. |
| 13:04.49 | mordy_ | is there a file for the route settings? |
| 13:05.05 | liable | what do you mean? |
| 13:05.09 | Tipolosko | liable: eth1 seems to not have an ip address |
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| 13:05.22 | Tipolosko | am i wrong |
| 13:05.24 | Tipolosko | ? |
| 13:05.25 | liable | Tipolosko: dhclient should fix that |
| 13:05.50 | Tipolosko | yes, and if eth0 is down, should fix default gw too :) |
| 13:05.57 | mordy_ | but in interface i set the IP to static - but dhclient sets it to 192.168.1.31 |
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| 13:06.14 | mordy_ | hmm... let's see |
| 13:06.19 | liable | mordy_: *dont* use NM and interfaces file as well. |
| 13:06.25 | liable | use one or the other |
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| 13:07.35 | mordy_ | taking eth0 down works. why can't i have both? |
| 13:08.03 | liable | mordy_: because you are using two mechanisms to configure interfaces |
| 13:08.07 | liable | they will fight |
| 13:08.16 | liable | and the result is unknown |
| 13:08.38 | Tipolosko | mordy_: if the two nets are different and you set routing by hand, you can use both connections |
| 13:08.42 | Tipolosko | but is not really recommanded :) |
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| 13:09.00 | mordy_ | is there a way to have them both enabled? let's say i have two internet connections, and i want to use them both selectively? |
| 13:09.03 | mordy_ | hmm.. |
| 13:09.17 | mordy_ | is there a way to automate it? when one is up the other one must be down? |
| 13:09.24 | liable | mordy_: comment your interfaces stanzas, and just use NM |
| 13:09.24 | Ian_Daniher | I'm looking for a program to rapidly load a file onto a a bunch of flash drives |
| 13:09.35 | Ian_Daniher | automount, load the program, and unmount |
| 13:09.50 | liable | mordy_: why must you use automated tools and then want to complicate things? |
| 13:09.52 | Ian_Daniher | any ideas? |
| 13:10.01 | liable | !any ideas? |
| 13:10.02 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little vegemite, and a dozen rabid badgers. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 13:10.17 | Ian_Daniher | lol |
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| 13:10.22 | liable | sorry, havent seen enough of that factoid lately z:) |
| 13:10.28 | Ian_Daniher | haha |
| 13:10.30 | liable | s/z// |
| 13:10.31 | mordy_ | lol |
| 13:10.33 | Ian_Daniher | any solutions? |
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| 13:10.40 | Ian_Daniher | !any solutions |
| 13:10.41 | mordy_ | !any solutions? |
| 13:11.00 | liable | Ian_Daniher: nothing springs to mind |
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| 13:11.51 | mordy_ | liable, i mean is there a way to automatically turn off eth1 when a link is up on eth0 and vice versa |
| 13:12.03 | liable | Ian_Daniher: if you are manually putting usb keys in, it would be a fairly trivial thing to make a scipt which mounts/copies/unmounts |
| 13:12.11 | Ian_Daniher | mordy_: ifup down, iirc |
| 13:12.20 | liable | mordy_: look at ifplugd |
| 13:12.24 | Ian_Daniher | liable: oh? |
| 13:13.00 | Ian_Daniher | something like "mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 | cp file.file /media/sda1 | umount /dev/sda1" ? |
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| 13:13.38 | mordy_ | is it a package? |
| 13:13.41 | liable | Ian_Daniher: #!/bin/bash; mount /dev/sd<whatever it will be on your box> /mountpoint; cp foo mountpoint; umount /dev/foo; fi |
| 13:13.45 | liable | mordy_: yes |
| 13:14.00 | Ian_Daniher | liable: thanks |
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| 13:15.15 | liable | fi isnt needed actually, no idea why i included it |
| 13:15.57 | mordy_ | ok, got it - does it load at boot? can i make it load at boot? |
| 13:16.20 | liable | read the documentation for it |
| 13:16.41 | mordy_ | there's no man ifplugd |
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| 13:16.59 | liable | /usr/share/doc/ifplugd |
| 13:17.46 | jaggz1 | How do I download a package that's already installed? i'm using apt-get --download-only --reinstall install package_name but it doesn't get it |
| 13:18.17 | liable | jaggz1: if it has it in cache, it wont download it |
| 13:19.06 | jaggz1 | I can't find it in /var/cache/apt/archives/ though |
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| 13:23.37 | jaggz1 | yeah.. I can't get it to actually store this thing.. hmm |
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| 13:24.12 | liable | jaggz1: you sure its not in cache? |
| 13:24.36 | liable | it has to be if its not downloading it |
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| 13:26.36 | mordy_ | how can i get my alps touchpad to scroll? |
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| 13:27.17 | jaggz1 | is it possible it's in another name? trace shows it trying to access the file in that dir, and a subdir in it called: partial/ .. but of course the stat() is showing ENOENT |
| 13:28.01 | liable | jaggz1: show us your output from apt and trying to find the deb |
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| 13:28.26 | liable | in a paste site |
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| 13:31.41 | jaggz1 | http://bdh.voyager.com/apt.html |
| 13:32.57 | liable | jaggz1: find /var/cache/apt/archives -name binut* |
| 13:33.07 | jaggz1 | the command came from this: http://ch.tudelft.nl/~arthur/recovery.html |
| 13:33.30 | jaggz1 | seriously now, the ls -l binut* would have worked in that dir just as well as find wouldn't it?? :) |
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| 13:33.50 | jaggz1 | does it anyway |
| 13:33.54 | jaggz1 | no output :) |
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| 13:34.41 | jaggz1 | down from section 4 on his page where he has apt-get download the packages it needs in order to generate checksums |
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| 13:36.31 | my007ms | old Bind9 have security problem so i need to update Bind |
| 13:36.40 | my007ms | but can not find more new one |
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| 13:38.20 | my007ms | http://secunia.com/advisories/30988/ |
| 13:38.41 | Guillaum3 | greets guys |
| 13:38.41 | abrotman | my007ms: which version of debian ? |
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| 13:38.57 | abrotman | my007ms: do you have security.debian.org sources? |
| 13:39.32 | Guillaum3 | i`m trying to get sun-java6-jre installed. modified /etc/apt/sources.list to have "contrib non-free.." and all that and ran 'sudo apt-get update'. still cant find the package |
| 13:39.33 | my007ms | let me check |
| 13:39.41 | Guillaum3 | debian 4 'etch'. |
| 13:39.49 | abrotman | Guillaum3: you have sun-java5-jre |
| 13:39.54 | my007ms | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 13:39.54 | my007ms | 4.0 |
| 13:39.58 | Guillaum3 | i need 6 in specific |
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| 13:40.39 | jaggz1 | how do I download a package using apt-tools? |
| 13:40.56 | jaggz1 | it's already-installed but I want the .deb for debsums to calculate with |
| 13:41.11 | Ian_Daniher | liable: mkdir /media/sda1 ; mount /dev/sd*1 /media/sda1 ; cp ~/AOFLASH/Team_Presentation_Template_2008.ppt /media/sda1 ; umount /dev/sda1 ; mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 ; ls /media/sda1/ ; umount /dev/sda1 ; rmdir /media/sda1 |
| 13:41.11 | Ian_Daniher | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.19 | abrotman | Guillaum3: maybe check backports.org |
| 13:41.35 | abrotman | Guillaum3: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=sun-java6-jre |
| 13:41.37 | jaggz1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:41.43 | abrotman | !tell Guillaum3 about bpo |
| 13:41.44 | Bushmills | jaggz1: do you know that you can grep output of man pages if there;s too much to read? like man apt-get | grep download |
| 13:41.47 | abrotman | Guillaum3: read the instructions there on using it |
| 13:41.51 | my007ms | abrotman i have this line deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
| 13:41.59 | liable | Ian_Daniher: cool, as long as it works :) |
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| 13:42.11 | abrotman | my007ms: that should be enough .. `aptitude update && aptitude upgrade` .. is anything held back? |
| 13:42.18 | Ian_Daniher | liable: worked fine - thanks for your hints |
| 13:42.19 | mordy | how can i make my touchpad work with its "scroll-zones"? |
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| 13:43.00 | soul9 | hi |
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| 13:43.15 | soul9 | i'm having a weird problem |
| 13:43.38 | soul9 | i'm trying to use squid as a proxy for apt |
| 13:43.38 | Bushmills | mordy, synaptics driver has those. should work for you if yours is a synaptics |
| 13:43.49 | soul9 | but i only get a bunch of 403's if i use the proxy |
| 13:43.55 | soul9 | and i know it works |
| 13:44.01 | jaggz1 | bushmills, yeah.. I didn't see anything in there (nor reading through the manpage itself + searching for /download) |
| 13:44.29 | mordy | it's alps - the touchpad works - but i can't use the right side for scrolling - |
| 13:44.31 | jaggz1 | that is.. the command still seems proper.. install to say to install it.. download-only so it'll not really install it.. reinstall so it won't ignore the whole thing because it's already here |
| 13:44.56 | my007ms | thanks abrotman |
| 13:45.13 | mordy | abrotman, i found something called tpconfig, but i don't seem to be able to find out how to use it - and i have the synaptic driver installed |
| 13:45.39 | Bushmills | mordy, not sure about alps .. maybe you can set something up using the tpconfig utility |
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| 13:45.40 | abrotman | i don'tk now anything about synaptics |
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| 13:46.54 | mordy | abrotman - dpkg says alps is supposed to work with the synaptics driver as well - |
| 13:47.03 | Bushmills | my computer is for sale + monitor if someone is interested (located in ireland) |
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| 13:47.18 | abrotman | mordy: again .. i know nothing about synaptics .. my laptop has a nubbie |
| 13:47.27 | mordy | thinkpad? |
| 13:47.30 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:47.35 | soul9 | anyone using squid as caching prxy for apt-get? |
| 13:47.38 | jaggz1 | Bushmills: do you see something useful in the manpage that I'm missing? |
| 13:47.59 | mordy | yeah, i want to get one of those. i think they're physically more durable - my sony is pretty cute- but after two years it's falling apart |
| 13:48.12 | abrotman | ah .. the sony life cycle :) |
| 13:48.13 | Bushmills | jaggz1: maybe you should grep on download-only instead if those 5 lines matching "download" are too many |
| 13:48.19 | jaggz1 | laptop nipples and touchpads are very difficult to use compared to the mouse |
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| 13:48.36 | Chrom_ | hello |
| 13:48.52 | Bushmills | actually, 10 lines |
| 13:49.03 | mordy | jaggzl1, i have't used a normal mouse in over three years |
| 13:49.05 | Chrom_ | I'm having a problem with a degradated mdadm RAID1 |
| 13:49.32 | jaggz1 | Bushmills, are you leading me on a wild goose chase? This still doesn't change the behavior |
| 13:49.41 | Chrom_ | basically the system doesn't boot from the good disk. it boots only from the failed disk (that has stil a working MBR) |
| 13:50.09 | Chrom_ | how do I install grub into the good drive so that it boots even without the failed drive inserted? |
| 13:50.13 | jaggz1 | maybe our manpages are different (I'm at etch) .. |
| 13:50.16 | Bushmills | jaggz1: no. you asked how you can download. meaning, not installing. with download-only you keep apt-get from installing, |
| 13:50.20 | mordy | and why is my CPU at 20%? i'm not running anything instneisve |
| 13:50.37 | amphi | mordy: top might tell you |
| 13:50.45 | jaggz1 | that's the idea.. I want to download without installing -- I just want to retrieve the package |
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| 13:51.31 | mordy | weird, why is the system monitor itself taking up about 13%? |
| 13:51.36 | Bushmills | jaggz1: so what;s the problem then? |
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| 13:51.55 | Guillaum3 | its cooll |
| 13:51.58 | jaggz1 | I am using --download-only already.. that doesn't work as it's installed.. so then I'm using it with --reinstall, at which time it says "downloading 0B/2604kB" and still doesn't seem to download it.. (0 bytes, right) |
| 13:52.14 | Guillaum3 | abrotman: used 'apt pinning' |
| 13:52.17 | Guillaum3 | http://www.weiqigao.com/blog/2007/11/04/getting_sun_java_6_on_debian_4_0_with_apt_pinning.html |
| 13:52.23 | abrotman | okay .. good |
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| 13:52.37 | Guillaum3 | pats himself on back |
| 13:52.46 | Guillaum3 | thanks for the help though, you were my plan b ;) |
| 13:52.55 | mordy | and it jumps to about 35 when all i'm doing is minimizing/maximizing a window |
| 13:53.08 | jaggz1 | and I've read the manpage over and over.. (not full passes each time, mind you) |
| 13:53.09 | Chrom_ | anyone has experience with mdadm RAID under Debian? |
| 13:53.22 | mordy | i know my processor isn't exactly the quickest and i have integrated graphics - but is it supposed to jump to that amount? |
| 13:53.24 | Bushmills | jaggz1: using that here, it says "Download complete and in download only mode" after download has been completed |
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| 13:53.56 | jaggz1 | apt-get --download-only --reinstall install binutils # Trying to download the binutils.deb |
| 13:54.03 | jaggz1 | bush, adding -i to grep .. |
| 13:54.40 | Bushmills | isn't that contradicting logic, "download only, but reinstall at the same time" ? |
| 13:55.09 | jaggz1 | Yeah.. but if I take out --reinstall it won't bother at all, because the package is already installed |
| 13:55.27 | jaggz1 | oh, maybe force will work |
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| 13:56.00 | jaggz1 | no.. nothin' |
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| 13:56.26 | jaggz1 | I get bound up in these things, hoping I'll better learn how to use the apt-system and such.. I could have just dl'ed from the web an hour ago.. |
| 13:57.17 | mordy | amphi: any suggestions? should it be this slow? |
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| 13:57.26 | antor | debian |
| 13:58.01 | Bushmills | jaggz1: maybe you want to clean the package archive, which contains the packages you have downloaded already? so you can download them again, if that's what your after? |
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| 13:58.15 | jaggz1 | mordy, maybe not much is happening on your system? |
| 13:58.20 | Bushmills | i'm completely confused abour your intentions |
| 13:58.21 | antor | debian |
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| 13:58.49 | jaggz1 | mordy, so those things end up taking what is otherwise considered a large portion of cpu time |
| 13:58.52 | antor | debian |
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| 13:59.18 | jaggz1 | Bushmills, I want to download a .deb file of an already-installed package, without actually installing the package. |
| 13:59.24 | antor | debian |
| 13:59.38 | mordy | jaggz1 - it's also pretty choppy - it shouldn't be like this on a new install and a relatively recent system |
| 13:59.40 | jaggz1 | the goal is to get it and compare the file (debsums will handle that part) |
| 13:59.47 | antor | debian |
| 13:59.56 | jaggz1 | mordy.. what's choppy? |
| 14:00.17 | mordy | graphics - |
| 14:00.22 | Bushmills | jaggz1: so what's wrong with apt-get -d --reinstall install <package> ? |
| 14:00.38 | antor | debian |
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| 14:01.09 | newsense | jaggz1,did yab try apt-get install -d ? |
| 14:01.14 | antor | debian |
| 14:01.44 | jaggz1 | bush, it doesn't seem to download anything. it says it needs to get 0 bytes (of the total package size of 2504k or whatever).. |
| 14:01.48 | abrotman | antor: do you need help ? |
| 14:01.54 | antor | debian |
| 14:02.07 | abrotman | antor: do you need help ? |
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| 14:02.12 | antor | debian |
| 14:02.13 | jaggz1 | newsense, yeah.. that outputs even less.. it finds the package already installed |
| 14:02.14 | abrotman | antor: do you need help ? |
| 14:02.15 | Bushmills | jaggz1: that's a different, unrelated problem. |
| 14:02.19 | antor | debian |
| 14:02.23 | jaggz1 | http://bdh.voyager.com/apt.html |
| 14:02.37 | abrotman | antor: do you have anything else to say? |
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| 14:02.41 | mordy | jaggz1: there's no reason that shifting focus from one window to another should take up 15% CPU of a pentium m 1.2 ghz |
| 14:02.45 | Bushmills | that's no problem at all, actually |
| 14:02.49 | antor | why, abrotman? |
| 14:02.53 | jaggz1 | abrotman, what.. is that not worthy enough (of antor)? ;) |
| 14:02.57 | mordy | or is there? |
| 14:02.59 | abrotman | because repeating "debian" is getting annoying |
| 14:03.02 | Bushmills | it merely says" no need to download again, as it has been downloaded already" |
| 14:03.06 | antor | but debian is correct |
| 14:03.17 | jaggz1 | mordy, what's performance like without X running? |
| 14:03.18 | newsense | jaggz1,did yab try apt-get install -d --force-yes packge ? |
| 14:03.27 | ikonia | please mute antor |
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| 14:03.33 | mordy | how would i know? |
| 14:03.36 | antor | why mute |
| 14:03.39 | jaggz1 | yeah.. tried force-yes.. it didn't change anything (in fact, it still asked me if it was okay to download the 0 bytes )... :) |
| 14:03.44 | antor | debian |
| 14:03.49 | abrotman | antor: STOP |
| 14:03.51 | ikonia | could someone please mute antor |
| 14:03.55 | Bushmills | jaggz1: it *has been downloaded already* |
| 14:04.04 | antor | ikonia: why |
| 14:04.05 | jaggz1 | bushmills, yeah.. where? :) |
| 14:04.09 | ikonia | antor: stop saying debian please |
| 14:04.15 | antor | why |
| 14:04.23 | ikonia | antor: because it stop the channel flowing |
| 14:04.25 | cahoot | bot? |
| 14:04.28 | Bushmills | jaggz1: into /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 14:04.30 | antor | but it's correct |
| 14:04.34 | abrotman | ikonia: don't make it worse |
| 14:04.39 | ikonia | someone kick antor please |
| 14:04.43 | mordy | jaggz1: i would gather it's much better - but does x really have to be that heavy? it takes up about 10% when it's doing nothing |
| 14:04.44 | antor | why |
| 14:04.45 | abrotman | antor: either have conversation with us, or /part |
| 14:04.46 | jaggz1 | I just did a search on my whole filesystem.. it only finds it in /root/t/binutils_2.17....deb (where I downloaded it by hand using wget) |
| 14:04.49 | pumpkin0 | ikonia: /ignore can slove so many problems. |
| 14:04.50 | antor | saying debian is correct |
| 14:05.00 | ikonia | pumpkin0: I guess.... |
| 14:05.07 | antor | I have a conversation with you |
| 14:05.13 | jaggz1 | mordy, I'm assuming there are other issues.. |
| 14:05.40 | jaggz1 | mordy, but I'm not sure what they could be.. if it's swapping it shouldn't show cpu usage high in those specific apps as far as I know |
| 14:05.42 | mordy | me too - but i don't know which ones - i'm thinking it may have something to do with power management - i'm using a sony vaio |
| 14:05.42 | antor | debian |
| 14:05.47 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 14:05.49 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@77-56-82-53.dclient.hispeed.ch] by abrotman |
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| 14:05.53 | mordy | swap usage is minimal |
| 14:05.53 | ikonia | thank you |
| 14:05.59 | abrotman | antor: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
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| 14:06.05 | abrotman | ikonia: drop it |
| 14:06.27 | newsense | apt-get -d works to dl packages on my box even if i have it installed already |
| 14:06.40 | jaggz1 | apt-get -d install pkgname? |
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| 14:07.02 | newsense | yep |
| 14:07.07 | newsense | worked on my box |
| 14:07.12 | Bushmills | declares jaggz1 read-resistant |
| 14:07.22 | jaggz1 | I added that to my apt.html file.. |
| 14:07.34 | mordy | jaggz1 - i'm assuming it may have something to do with my graphics card, but i remember checking to seemy driver- and it's the correct driver |
| 14:07.44 | jaggz1 | Bushmills, dood.. what am I missing?? |
| 14:08.30 | newsense | apt-get install packagename -d |
| 14:08.49 | jaggz1 | same as with -d first |
| 14:09.26 | newsense | yeah i thought you missed it |
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| 14:11.05 | jaggz1 | like Bush says.. I think it finds it's cached already.. except as you can see from my ls of /var/cache/apt/archives/ .. it's not there. |
| 14:11.39 | mordy | jaggz1 : - here is the output of top http://paste.lisp.org/display/63675 |
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| 14:12.41 | lilferry | I'v got 2gb ram but free says I have 950mb ram, wtf? |
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| 14:12.58 | abrotman | lilferry: uname -a ? |
| 14:13.03 | cahoot | get a 686 kernel |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | lilferry: and which CPU do you have? |
| 14:13.06 | fantomas | Hi all. I installed msttcorefonts package, but fontconfig was not updated since I see no M$ fonts when I type 'fc-list'. What should I do to get them available? |
| 14:13.13 | jaggz1 | it's probably fine, right? run a couple programs instead of just the monitor and see how they jump around in top? |
| 14:13.26 | lilferry | ahh, I see. I've got a 486 kernel right now |
| 14:13.32 | abrotman | lilferry: and what's your CPU ? |
| 14:13.40 | lilferry | amd |
| 14:13.44 | abrotman | amd64 ? |
| 14:13.47 | lilferry | yes |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | or k7 |
| 14:13.54 | lilferry | 64 |
| 14:13.57 | abrotman | lilferry: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 14:14.02 | fantomas | In other words - is there a tool which updates configuration of fontconfig? |
| 14:14.07 | abrotman | reboot and rejoice! |
| 14:14.08 | mordy | jaggzd, but the only programs i've been running are iceweasel, pidgin - you know - small stuff |
| 14:14.14 | abrotman | so sayeth the bot |
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| 14:14.52 | mordy | xorg jumps to about 30% when i switch windows |
| 14:15.12 | mordy | and sysmonitor takes up so much CPU, i assume because it's constantly rendering the output |
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| 14:15.31 | jaggz1 | yeah but it shouldn't update THAT often :) |
| 14:15.39 | jaggz1 | what happened with a few programs running? |
| 14:16.08 | docmax | does anybody know how to setup nx x-server under debian? |
| 14:16.15 | abrotman | ask #nx |
| 14:16.20 | docmax | ok |
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| 14:16.57 | jaggz1 | Bushmills: you figured out my problem?? |
| 14:17.03 | amphi | mordy: gkrellm doesn't use much cpu, FWIW |
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| 14:17.43 | jaggz1 | hey, isn't 1571 a c64 drive? |
| 14:18.05 | jaggz1 | I think I recall that being the "most" common floppy or something :) |
| 14:18.08 | wols_ | sure. and you can't run debian on it. so why do you ask here? |
| 14:18.16 | fantomas | Does anyone know, is there a way to use a font without manual creating an XML file for fontconfig? |
| 14:18.25 | jaggz1 | no.. 1541.. n/m :) |
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| 14:18.41 | justin | fantomas: what do you mean by "use a font"? |
| 14:18.56 | mordy | amphi: gkrellm is the graphic renderer? |
| 14:18.59 | fantomas | justin: I place a font to a dir. How to use it? |
| 14:19.15 | justin | fantomas: again, what do you mean by "use"? |
| 14:19.49 | amphi | mordy: it's a system monitor |
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| 14:19.57 | mordy | ok |
| 14:20.03 | amphi | mordy: as apt-cache would have told you ;) |
| 14:20.05 | fantomas | justin: allowing Xft (if I named it correctly) applications to display symbols from it :) |
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| 14:20.27 | fantomas | justin: currently when I list fonts with 'fc-list' I see no my font |
| 14:20.36 | justin | fantomas: where did you put it? |
| 14:20.48 | nvz | I need some advice on this dpkg issue, I can't seem to install or remove anything cause apparently something got corrupted. http://rafb.net/p/CggLTk45.html |
| 14:20.57 | fantomas | justin: it is standard package, msttcorefonts. In /usr/share/fonts/truetype/msttcorefonts/ |
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| 14:21.36 | justin | nvz: /var/lib/dpkg/info/wamerican.list |
| 14:21.38 | wols_ | nvz: cd /var/lib/dpkg/ |
| 14:21.56 | wols_ | nvz: especially the status file. make a backup of the full dir |
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| 14:22.10 | fantomas | justin: and I see no mention of this dir in /etc/fonts/*.* files |
| 14:22.23 | fantomas | justin: probably I should dpkg-reconfigure smth? :) |
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| 14:22.30 | nvz | justin: is it suppose to be a binary file? |
| 14:22.39 | justin | nvz: no! |
| 14:22.47 | nvz | then yeah its badly corrupted :-P |
| 14:22.53 | mordy | amphi: gkrellm is cool - but i still get 100% cpu when i do anything related to graphics |
| 14:23.02 | mordy | resize a window, open a window, close it |
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| 14:23.13 | justin | fantomas: I think /usr/share/fonts/truetype includes subdirs |
| 14:23.16 | jaggz1 | well don't do that :) |
| 14:23.42 | nvz | justin: /var/lib/dpkg/info/wamerican.list: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), stripped :( heh |
| 14:23.48 | wols_ | nvz: check status-old. it's text. basically package descriptions |
| 14:23.58 | nvz | contains random binary chars |
| 14:24.15 | wols_ | nvz: restore the backup. your dpkg is hosed |
| 14:25.01 | nvz | wols_: what is even making you say this stuff? the error clearly says its the package lists for these two packages.. |
| 14:25.05 | nvz | the status files are fine |
| 14:25.17 | nvz | did you even look at the errors? |
| 14:25.23 | jaggz1 | hey, why is that an elf file? |
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| 14:25.45 | wols_ | nvz: is status a binary file or text? |
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| 14:26.07 | nvz | wols_: like I said, the status file is fine.. its text.. its exactly as it should be.. as in nothing at all is wrong with it |
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| 14:26.20 | jaggz1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:26.24 | nvz | the problem is with wamerican.list and whois.list |
| 14:26.36 | wols_ | then reinstall those |
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| 14:26.48 | fantomas | justin: I've found the magic tool :) |
| 14:26.51 | jaggz1 | true to his word |
| 14:27.01 | fantomas | justin: dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig :) |
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| 14:27.06 | nvz | I can't seem to install anything it bitches about those two packages for some reason no matter what I try to do with dpkg |
| 14:27.07 | jaggz1 | was it really only 10 minutes? I feel like I've spent another 2 hours here |
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| 14:27.22 | f00li5h | does debian do anything odd to postgres? |
| 14:27.23 | nvz | why its even looking at those packages when I'm doing unrelated operations I have no idea |
| 14:27.28 | mordy | amphi: i also realize that it's not oinly related to graphics - it's sound as well- :-? |
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| 14:27.40 | jaggz1 | nvz, funny, because "bitches" is allowed in american english.. hm |
| 14:28.01 | mordy | could there be something wrong with X? could it be some power-management program? although i have the laptop plugged in |
| 14:28.05 | justin | nvz: so fix them! |
| 14:28.14 | jaggz1 | mordy, is your turbo button off? :) |
| 14:28.19 | mordy | lol |
| 14:28.22 | nvz | justin: you're quite helpful, as usual |
| 14:28.25 | justin | nvz: two empty files in place of those corrupted ones will make dpkg stop complaining |
| 14:28.33 | mordy | jaggz1, i'm using a vgn-tx750 |
| 14:28.44 | nvz | justin: ok. |
| 14:28.50 | mordy | if you know that machine. it's a pretty nice and sleek piece - when it's not falling apart. |
| 14:28.54 | newsense | turbo button,lol |
| 14:29.14 | justin | nvz: or just copy them from another machine.. it might complain about an empty file also |
| 14:29.14 | jaggz1 | I'm afraid I'm going to be of less help at this point than a bitter nerd.. (I'm not bitter) :) |
| 14:29.15 | nvz | boggles |
| 14:29.27 | nvz | seems I have a bigger problem |
| 14:29.32 | jaggz1 | probably.. |
| 14:29.37 | jaggz1 | are you using ext3? |
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| 14:29.43 | nvz | my filesystem is read-only.. going to have to figure out why that is |
| 14:29.59 | justin | nvz: ugh |
| 14:30.04 | justin | nvz: run dmesg |
| 14:30.14 | nvz | yeah, I'm getting to that |
| 14:30.15 | jaggz1 | mordy, hmm.. I'm not very familiar with various hw |
| 14:30.27 | nvz | yikes |
| 14:30.33 | mordy | it's just a vaio laptop - |
| 14:30.44 | nvz | this doesn't look good.. its all my fault though.. heh |
| 14:30.48 | jaggz1 | nvz, what fs are you using on your partition? |
| 14:30.56 | ootput | how do i 'undo' a request to upgrade packages in aptitude? |
| 14:31.17 | nvz | I've been just shutting it off via the kill switch on the back lately cause I've been using my hd to do diagnostics on machines.. heh |
| 14:31.38 | nvz | so this is a self-inflicted injury to my filesystem no doubt |
| 14:31.57 | jaggz1 | narrows his eyes at nvz |
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| 14:32.19 | jaggz1 | maybe you should just install windows and AOL |
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| 14:32.48 | jaggz1 | hehe.. okay.. I think I should go.. been up almost a day I think.. no wait, I napped.. |
| 14:32.53 | nvz | here's the fun stuff http://rafb.net/p/PPOesl46.html |
| 14:32.53 | mordy | lol, me? |
| 14:33.04 | jaggz1 | mordy, lol.. no .. was joking with nvz |
| 14:33.09 | mordy | oh |
| 14:33.22 | jaggz1 | I wish I could help you too.. sorry. |
| 14:33.26 | nvz | I guess I got more work to do here than I thought |
| 14:33.59 | jaggz1 | you'd think ext3 could handle this huh? :) |
| 14:34.09 | mordy | hmm... maybe i need opengl |
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| 14:34.11 | GKiller | Hello |
| 14:34.17 | jaggz1 | mordy, g'luck |
| 14:34.22 | nvz | jaggz1: handle what an abusive user? doubt it.. heh |
| 14:34.23 | mordy | but that wouldn't help with my sound - |
| 14:34.32 | jaggz1 | anti-hammer-fs |
| 14:34.45 | GKiller | I use Debian Sid on x86_64 and whenever my harddisk is used, the whole computer is slowed down (mouse hangs in X, browser doesn'T scroll, downloads stop) for a short period |
| 14:34.48 | nvz | I'm not the least bit surprised |
| 14:35.03 | jaggz1 | even when I'm doing diags I still unmount |
| 14:36.05 | jaggz1 | I wonder if my dd's into /dev/null are done.. had to test these drives.. got 3 drives failing from this one manufacturer.. each at a similar offset |
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| 14:36.23 | nvz | wow fsck doesn't even like me |
| 14:36.39 | nvz | ain't that about a son of a five letter b word |
| 14:36.41 | jaggz1 | a dd revealed it at 3.4gigs, 3.8gigs, and 5.4gigs.. but one of the replacements, in operation for a couple months, seems to work okay. |
| 14:37.36 | nvz | frowns at the fsck output http://rafb.net/p/rb5GWf29.html |
| 14:38.13 | jaggz1 | nvz, g'luck to you too :) |
| 14:38.15 | jaggz1 | & |
| 14:38.31 | nvz | yeah.. I'm fsck'd :-P |
| 14:38.45 | jeukku | mordy: what's wrong with your sound? |
| 14:38.59 | jaggz1 | thanks wols, abrotman, .. newsense.. wish mine worked.. thanks Bushbaby |
| 14:39.25 | nvz | I'm surprised the filesystem is this messed up and it still boots |
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| 14:39.44 | jaggz1 | nvz, can you kick me out of the channel? |
| 14:39.48 | jaggz1 | n/m |
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| 14:40.16 | nvz | how the hell would I kick anyone out of the channel?! do you see an @ in front of my nick? |
| 14:40.55 | mordy | jeukku - both my sound and my graphics are choppy |
| 14:41.08 | nvz | the only one getting kicked out of this channel is me when my HD dies.. heh |
| 14:41.22 | nvz | actually the drive seems fine.. its just the filesystem that is FUBAR |
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| 14:42.41 | nvz | great.. going to have to use the damn internet just to look at the fsck manpage cause I can't even pull up manpages with a readonly filesystem |
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| 14:43.12 | nvz | I just love this stuff. |
| 14:43.20 | fantomas | hi all. I use IceWeasel and noticed that fonts on web pages are smaller then on Windows. Why this happens and how to correct this? |
| 14:43.31 | fantomas | s/hi all.// |
| 14:43.37 | GKiller | you can set the default font size in the Options |
| 14:43.49 | nvz | same way you do in windows? Ctrl and the + key? |
| 14:43.59 | fantomas | no |
| 14:44.01 | GKiller | well ctrl++ each time... |
| 14:44.12 | nvz | then maybe you should be more specific |
| 14:44.12 | chops | GKiller: What's your DPI set to? |
| 14:44.12 | fantomas | I think it is "system level" problem |
| 14:44.23 | \amethyst | fantomas: do you use gnome? |
| 14:44.24 | nvz | then it has nothing to do with iceweasel |
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| 14:44.31 | nvz | its a gtk problem |
| 14:44.33 | fantomas | \amethyst: currently KDE is running |
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| 14:44.56 | fantomas | why GTK uses this "wrong" defaults? :) |
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| 14:45.19 | GKiller | choc: 85x86 dpi |
| 14:45.41 | chops | GKiller: Er, sorry, meant for fantomas |
| 14:45.48 | chops | fantomas: What's your DPI set to? |
| 14:45.51 | fantomas | nvz: wouldn't you name the tool which configures GTK please? :) |
| 14:46.02 | fantomas | I forgot its name |
| 14:46.10 | jeukku | mordy: my graphics are choppy when my dri or corrent graphics drivers are missing... graphics is so choppy that even sound doesn't work if I resize a window |
| 14:46.18 | GKiller | gconf2? |
| 14:46.30 | nvz | fantomas: last I checked it was called a user... |
| 14:46.41 | mkl1525 | Hi, atm I'm using munin to monitor my servers, but getting a total summary is a pain - so is there some other monitoring that handles the creation of totals automatic? |
| 14:46.50 | nvz | which is a fancy way of saying I have no idea of any such tool |
| 14:47.00 | mordy | jeukku, so what do i do? my drivers appear to be loaded - how would i know? |
| 14:47.10 | amphi | fantomas: you mean, to change them? |
| 14:47.10 | bbelt16ag | hi |
| 14:47.35 | amphi | fantomas: er, theme |
| 14:47.48 | fantomas | amphi: I want to change some defaults which leads to small fonts in IceWeasel |
| 14:47.54 | jeukku | mordy: which card do you have? |
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| 14:48.05 | mordy | integrated intel 915 express |
| 14:48.10 | amphi | fantomas: try gtk-chtheme |
| 14:48.17 | mordy | it's crappy, but not *this* crappy |
| 14:48.25 | nvz | ugh this is pissing me off enough I am willing to, as the capt of this ship... order an abandon ship! heh.. move all my data onto a new filesystem and start over on this drive |
| 14:48.40 | mordy | jeukku, it shows up on lspci - but does that mean the drivers are loaded? |
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| 14:48.53 | mordy | sapt of this chip :-" |
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| 14:49.08 | amphi | mordy: lspci has nothing to do with drivers |
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| 14:49.16 | mordy | oh |
| 14:49.18 | \amethyst | fantomas: I don't know where the setting for KDE is, but the firefox setting is layout.css.dpi in about:config |
| 14:49.28 | amphi | mordy: it just lists hw found by poking about on the pci bus |
| 14:49.29 | jeukku | mordy: no, lspci just show what devices you've got |
| 14:49.50 | mordy | amphi: i am familiar with the windows setting - usually if a device is listed in the windows task manager, it means that the driver is loaded, otherwise you get an "unknown device" etc. |
| 14:50.07 | amphi | mordy: that is not relevant |
| 14:50.09 | amphi | ;0 |
| 14:50.13 | amphi | er ;) |
| 14:50.14 | nvz | well I'm getting off here cause my hands are tied right now |
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| 14:50.16 | chops | \amethyst: No. Telling him to change CSS settings when that's not the problem (i.e. he hasn't mucked with them) will only confuse the situation. Better to track down the real issue (DPI setting, theme, etc.) is better. |
| 14:50.20 | nvz | gotta go with plan B |
| 14:50.25 | mordy | amphi, yes yes, we all know how much we hate the W word |
| 14:50.37 | chops | \amethyst: Cancelling thing A setting fonts too big by setting thing B to set fonts too small is not correct. :-) |
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| 14:50.56 | amphi | mordy: er, I just said that what MS Windows does has no relevance here |
| 14:50.58 | jeukku | mordy: put your Xorg.0.log to pastebin |
| 14:50.59 | \amethyst | chops: but changing the system settings will change *all* the fonts |
| 14:51.03 | mordy | ok |
| 14:51.06 | fantomas | nvz: I didn't understand. How do you think what should change to get fonts larger? I know exactly they are smaller then must be. |
| 14:51.19 | amphi | mordy: why should I hate it? I never use it |
| 14:51.23 | chops | \amethyst: (10:41:45 AM) fantomas: I think it is "system level" problem |
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| 14:51.45 | fantomas | chops: and? :) |
| 14:51.57 | \amethyst | I guess I misinterpreted "fonts on web pages" |
| 14:52.02 | chops | fantomas: I asked you already what your DPI setting is. |
| 14:52.03 | mordy | lol |
| 14:52.15 | mordy | i'm looking for the xorg.0.log - where do i find it? |
| 14:52.15 | liable | why does iceweasel have better spam abilities than spamassasin? |
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| 14:52.49 | fantomas | chops: sorry I missed you question. So how can I know this? :) I'm using kdm and don't know how it runs X |
| 14:52.57 | \amethyst | fantomas: xdpyinfo | grep resolution |
| 14:52.58 | wols_ | mordy: /var/log like all logs |
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| 14:53.21 | \amethyst | mordy: it's /var/log/Xorg.0.log with a capital X |
| 14:53.40 | fantomas | \amethyst: thank you |
| 14:53.48 | fantomas | chops: resolution: 81x81 dots per inch |
| 14:53.49 | mordy | yes, found it:D |
| 14:53.53 | chops | fantomas: What \amethyst said, I believe |
| 14:54.26 | chops | fantomas: If you've got a modern monitor, you probably should have a larger DPI setting. That may be why your fonts are small. |
| 14:54.29 | \amethyst | fantomas: that is a bit low... 96x96 is "standard", but might not be accurate for your display |
| 14:55.03 | fantomas | \amethyst, chops: I have ordinary cheap CRT 17" |
| 14:55.14 | mordy | jeukku: here it is http://paste.lisp.org/display/63679 |
| 14:55.15 | chops | fantomas: Oh, then that may be accurate |
| 14:55.51 | \amethyst | fantomas: what dimensions? (1600x1200, 1280x1024, etc?) |
| 14:56.22 | chops | fantomas: Hm... well, if all your fonts are bigger than you'd like them to be, you can change the DPI and that'll change it. |
| 14:56.31 | fantomas | \amethyst: hehe, looks like you saw CRT 17" last time mant years ago :) 1024x768 ) |
| 14:56.39 | mordy | hmm... i found this interesting line: " |
| 14:56.40 | mordy | (EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)" |
| 14:57.06 | \amethyst | fantomas: my last 17" CRT ran at a higher res than that :) |
| 14:57.07 | liable | so install xsevre-xorg-video-intel? |
| 14:57.14 | wols_ | mordy: irrelevant mostly. pastebin the log |
| 14:57.40 | justin | libgl1-mesa-dri: /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so |
| 14:57.40 | mordy | wols - |
| 14:57.42 | mordy | <mordy> jeukku: here it is http://paste.lisp.org/display/63679 |
| 14:57.45 | wols_ | thanks |
| 14:57.45 | \amethyst | fantomas: but in that case, 81x81 DPI sounds "correct" (that corresponds to a 15.8 inch viewable diagonal). |
| 14:58.01 | mordy | i should download it? |
| 14:58.08 | fantomas | \amethyst: then it is not X server "problem" but instead FireFox one's |
| 14:58.13 | fantomas | \amethyst: or GTK |
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| 14:58.28 | justin | fantomas: that is easy to tell |
| 14:58.40 | chops | fantomas: Well, not necessarily |
| 14:58.43 | justin | fantomas: are the menus and labels in all your programs really tiny also? |
| 14:58.46 | \amethyst | fantomas: well, the thing is, a lot of web pages kind of assume that you have 96 DPI |
| 14:58.51 | chops | fantomas: Windows may be set to an incorrect DPI, giving you smaller fonts than you "should" have |
| 14:59.30 | chops | fantomas: You may just be accustomed to it :-) |
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| 14:59.59 | fantomas | justin: no. For example in Konqueror fonts in menus are of normal size and of correct size on web pages |
| 15:00.43 | mordy | justin - i downloaded the libgl1 - should i restart X for the settings to take effect? |
| 15:00.47 | justin | fantomas: there is an option in kde somewhere that says "apply fonts and colors to non kde apps" |
| 15:00.52 | justin | mordy: do you have that file now |
| 15:01.09 | liable | fantomas: are you having weird font size problems in kde? |
| 15:01.16 | fantomas | justin: thank you, I'll check it |
| 15:01.22 | mordy | justin, i did apt-get install libgl1-mesa-dri |
| 15:01.23 | fantomas | liable: no, KDE apps are just fine |
| 15:01.39 | liable | yes, but others.. |
| 15:02.03 | mordy | i assume i can find the file as well, but i don't know where apt-get places its packages |
| 15:02.08 | liable | theres a dpi setting that fixes it in non-kde apps |
| 15:02.20 | jeukku | mordy: installed it with apt-get? libgl1-mesa-dri? |
| 15:02.29 | mordy | justin: yes |
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| 15:03.06 | jeukku | I'm lagging... so ignore me |
| 15:03.15 | jeukku | :) |
| 15:03.27 | mordy | 's brain is always lagging |
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| 15:07.53 | jeukku | mordy: but yeah... you have to restart X to test it... or start a another X session |
| 15:08.06 | mordy | ok, brb peoples |
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| 15:08.30 | mordy | hmm... why won't ctrl alt bckspc work>? |
| 15:08.35 | jeukku | I'm gone |
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| 15:11.48 | mordy | ok, it's working |
| 15:11.49 | mordy | thanks |
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| 15:13.38 | iveqy_ | hi, I want to send some mail to a program when I recieve them. How do I do that? Or where can I read about how to do it? |
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| 15:15.09 | kaolaBuntuPH | hey I'm using reiser fs on my "/" seperate "/home" ext2 on "/boot" and i'm using data=writeback on reiserfs partitions is this good?? |
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| 15:15.59 | kaolaBuntuPH | anyone hre from philippines? |
| 15:16.33 | kaolaBuntuPH | slow response? |
| 15:16.56 | Bushmills | no. too much "buntu" and "anyone" |
| 15:16.58 | mordy | would iflplugd reset my connection? |
| 15:17.09 | mordy | yeah, i guess it would, since it would change IPs :( |
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| 15:26.13 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 15:26.14 | dpkg | <mdadmtime> what does it mean if a raid array has state "dirty"? <asg> mdadmtime: it previously stored pr0n |
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| 15:28.21 | kes0 | how do i get that newbie help page ? |
| 15:28.26 | Notino | Hey guys, i set my distro up using a cd, now I want to uses network for apt and my sources.list is messed up, <blank at the moment>, ive been googling for how it should look and its not working, can someone paste their sources.list please? |
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| 15:29.19 | nkuttler | kes0: about what? /msg dpkg grounding? |
| 15:30.16 | liable | !sources.list |
| 15:30.17 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 15:30.17 | newsense | http://newbiedoc.berlios.de/ |
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| 15:31.20 | twobitwork | how can I generate self-signed ssl certs? |
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| 15:31.51 | Sling | twobitwork : http://sial.org/howto/openssl/self-signed/ |
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| 15:32.02 | liable | twobitwork: you really couldnt find info on google for this? |
| 15:32.43 | kes0 | nkuttler: ah i saw that that thing have msg me :P thx anyway |
| 15:32.50 | twobitwork | liable: didn't look, sorry |
| 15:34.28 | Raoni | I have a disk that doesn't work anymore : a dmesg | tail give me this : EXT3-fs: hdc1 couldn't mount because of unsupported optional features (1000100) and my system claims that the partition type is ext4 but this disk always have been with ext3. I have a lot of sensible datas on this disk and I really need them. Is there some tools to get backups from corrupted filesystems ? |
| 15:35.04 | liable | Raoni: did you just upgrade a kernel or something? |
| 15:35.05 | Raoni | I tried to rewrite the partition table btw :| |
| 15:35.22 | justin | Raoni: it's not the partition table |
| 15:35.22 | liable | oops |
| 15:35.25 | Raoni | liable: nope no upgrades nothing it changed without nothing :/ |
| 15:35.35 | justin | Raoni: try tune2fs |
| 15:35.44 | justin | Raoni: or fsck |
| 15:35.56 | Raoni | but my disk takes a lot of time to be detected in my bios ... seems bad |
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| 15:36.15 | liable | Raoni: which debian version? etch wouldnt even know about ext4 i would have thunk |
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| 15:36.27 | alex12 | whats the command to check which process is running on a specific port? |
| 15:36.30 | Raoni | liable: lenny/sod |
| 15:36.33 | Raoni | *sid oops |
| 15:37.01 | Raoni | liable: but a partition could change his type like that ? |
| 15:37.04 | liable | alex12: netstat -pantu|grep <port number> |
| 15:37.27 | liable | Raoni: not the partition, but the tool reading it |
| 15:37.36 | Raoni | didn't tried tune2fs yet, will do. |
| 15:37.46 | justin | liable: you mean l, not a |
| 15:37.50 | Raoni | liable: do you think that a live cd could give me something else ? |
| 15:37.57 | Raoni | so ? |
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| 15:38.35 | liable | justin: do I? |
| 15:38.41 | justin | liable: yes |
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| 15:42.00 | marsje | I want to use a nwer version of shorewall provided by |
| 15:42.23 | marsje | http://people.connexer.com/~roberto/debian/ |
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| 15:42.53 | marsje | I added the repository to my sources.list, but how do I tell apt-get to use the shorewall from that repo? |
| 15:43.07 | marsje | should I add the lines at the top of sources.list? |
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| 15:44.54 | nkuttler | marsje: probably involves -t |
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| 15:47.11 | marsje | nkuttler: so I guess I have to find out what is the version number of shorewall in the debian repo and what is the version in roberto's repo |
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| 15:47.42 | lilferry | Anyone else got problems compiling the latest ati.com video driver with the latest amd64 kernel? |
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| 15:48.52 | marsje | "Several instances of the same version of a package may be available when the sources.list(5) file contains references to more than one source. In this case apt-get downloads the instance listed earliest in the sources.list(5) file." |
| 15:49.23 | nootoyahora | I'm using debian testing, and since the last update (about 12 hours ago) when it starts it gives me error messages at the boot up and my box cannot load all th emodules.. it gives error messages... typing dmesg the error messages they don't appear... where can I find for them? |
| 15:49.50 | liable | !bootlogd |
| 15:49.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 15:50.19 | nootoyahora | liable, is that for me? |
| 15:50.26 | liable | yep |
| 15:50.52 | nootoyahora | liable, ok, with that I will be able to see the error m |
| 15:50.55 | nootoyahora | essages, right? |
| 15:51.05 | liable | nootoyahora: yes, after rebooting |
| 15:51.18 | nootoyahora | liable, of course that :P |
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| 15:54.39 | fantomas | Hi. Is there any chance to get compizconfig-settings-manager for Etch as debian package? |
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| 15:57.53 | mordy_ | how do i make a samba share writeable? |
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| 15:58.19 | cr3_ | hi |
| 15:58.22 | mordy_ | i did chmod 777 /mnt - where "/mnt" is the name of the share |
| 15:58.47 | cr3_ | is there a way to make an alias that would change dir and list its contents? |
| 15:58.51 | cr3_ | like |
| 15:59.02 | cr3_ | alias lcd='what?' |
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| 15:59.25 | torn | hello. I have a problem. I have a NAT that forwards the connection from the Internet to some ports to an internal IP address |
| 15:59.29 | torn | but, if I try to connect to the public IP address *from* the internal network the connection doesn't get forwarded |
| 15:59.43 | torn | but I (try to) connect directly to the router. How can I fix this? |
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| 16:00.49 | fantomas | torn: and connections from Internet are successful? |
| 16:01.29 | newsense | is it a belkin router ? |
| 16:01.42 | newsense | i knw they have problems with that |
| 16:02.00 | torn | no, it's a router with openwrt |
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| 16:02.04 | torn | so I have full access to iptables |
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| 16:03.39 | fantomas | torn: does everything work if you set iptables rules to all accept? |
| 16:04.03 | hobbes006 | hi guys, i am running debian lenny/sid and having a spot of trouble with python-setuptools. been reading around and apparently this is a known issue. does anyone so happen to know if there's a solution for the problem? (cant find a solution yet) |
| 16:04.14 | torn | fantomas: if I accept all, the connection is not bounced to the internal ip address... |
| 16:04.25 | torn | it stops to the router, that owns that ip. |
| 16:05.07 | fantomas | torn: but can you establish connection from internal network if you accept all? |
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| 16:05.17 | fantomas | isnt' it routing problem? |
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| 16:06.09 | fantomas | torn: are you masquerading output packets? |
| 16:06.38 | fantomas | outgoing* |
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| 16:08.29 | torn | fantomas: no, I'm not |
| 16:08.57 | fantomas | So how are you planning to connect without SNAT'ing? |
| 16:09.07 | bogor | How to do nic bonding in debian |
| 16:09.24 | torn | sorry, |
| 16:09.30 | torn | I *am* masquerating |
| 16:09.37 | fantomas | oh ok :) |
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| 16:11.44 | torn | there's no problem in reaching the internet from the inside network. the problem is that I want that a connection from the inside network destinated to the public ip address owned to the router |
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| 16:12.00 | torn | is managed as a connection that comes from the outside network |
| 16:12.13 | torn | so forwarded to a particular internal ip address |
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| 16:15.13 | epoxy|w3rk | is there a way to make a .deb pkg install to ~/somepkg/, with ~/somepkg/ directory being " |
| 16:15.19 | epoxy|w3rk | * being the root dir |
| 16:15.56 | epoxy|w3rk | ...with the full paths inside that dir. ex: ~/somepkg/usr/bin/somefile etc etc |
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| 16:17.44 | crashanddie | epoxy|w3rk, ugly solution: get the source, dpkg-source -x *.dsc, then cd dir, and ./configure; make; make install, with $(DESTDIR) to the directory you want ? |
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| 16:18.05 | cr3_ | i think i am going to kill myself. one of my important dirs which i copied from usb stick has gone and i don't know WHY. ! |
| 16:18.29 | cr3_ | I've SEEN it in my home dir but now its gone lol! |
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| 16:19.34 | tckb | hello |
| 16:19.44 | tckb | is any body der |
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| 16:20.50 | tckb | can u help me out |
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| 16:21.09 | cr3_ | it's so easy to remove something in console, isn't there rm alias with -i enabled by default? |
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| 16:22.34 | marsje | tckb: it's better to just ask your question... |
| 16:22.41 | tckb | can anybody help me regarding the apt-cacher |
| 16:22.43 | tckb | plzzz |
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| 16:22.53 | cr3_ | tell wut do u wunt |
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| 16:23.19 | marsje | tckb: how can people know if they can help you if they don't know what the problem is? |
| 16:23.20 | Chocobo | Hey all you Sid users, what kernel do you have installed? |
| 16:23.49 | tckb | i want to know about apt-cacher |
| 16:24.14 | marsje | tckb: but what do you want to know about it? |
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| 16:24.41 | iveqy_ | hi, I've having nis problems, can some one help me? |
| 16:25.03 | tckb | see i saw abt apt cacher in google and want to implement the same in my lab at my college |
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| 16:25.38 | tckb | even though i configured the server and the clients |
| 16:25.44 | tckb | its not working |
| 16:25.48 | Screamboy | hello what kernel for amd 4800+ |
| 16:25.52 | cr3_ | w00t there is still hope! i copied it on a Windws partition! ...oops i don't have window$ partition, really! |
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| 16:26.49 | tckb | marsje??? |
| 16:27.10 | tckb | u der |
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| 16:28.06 | marsje | tckb: I don't know anything about apt-cacher, but maybe someone else does... |
| 16:28.36 | marsje | tckb: it's best to give more detailed information like *what* is not working exactly... do you get a error message? |
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| 16:28.39 | tckb | hmm its ok... |
| 16:29.11 | tckb | okk... i configured the apt-cacher server |
| 16:29.19 | marsje | if someone knows the answer here, they will tell you... if no one knows the answer, they will not say anything |
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| 16:29.47 | tckb | the client is not able to connect to the server |
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| 16:37.34 | zmotok | something really weird happened today, wonder if any of you has any input on it: a service (symlink in rc2.d, properly made script in init.d) won't start at boot, but will start if i run it manually, any ideas why? |
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| 16:39.50 | wols_ | maybe a prereq ist not met yet |
| 16:40.00 | wols_ | like network not up when started on bootup for a firewall |
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| 16:40.21 | zmotok | i've put it well after networking, (s90) |
| 16:40.28 | zmotok | so it should work |
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| 16:41.24 | xingu | zmotok: s90, or S90 ? |
| 16:41.31 | zmotok | S90 |
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| 16:43.08 | Chocobo | what is the difference between linux-image-2.6-686 and linux-image-2.6.25-686? |
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| 16:43.52 | tckb | gud Q Chocobo |
| 16:44.06 | tckb | even i too had a dbt in that |
| 16:44.25 | Chocobo | I selected linux-image-2.6.25-686, not sure if that was the right thing to do or not. |
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| 16:44.47 | zmotok | Chocobo: the first is an empty package that depends on the lastest 2.6-686, while the latter is a specific version 2.6.25 |
| 16:44.53 | zmotok | latest* |
| 16:45.03 | Chocobo | crap :P |
| 16:45.13 | Chocobo | and linux-image-686? |
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| 16:46.03 | zmotok | it's funny, actually linux-image-686 depends on linux-image-2.6-686 which in turn.. you get the drift |
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| 16:47.29 | Chocobo | :/ |
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| 16:48.16 | Chocobo | So, ok. I need to figure out how to change my kernel over.... and all the nvidia stuff :) |
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| 16:53.35 | mns | Does anyone use resolvconf ? Do I need if I am switching from home to office and back, with both environments being DHCP ? |
| 16:54.16 | Eulex | mns, no. |
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| 16:55.11 | newsense | anyone running debian on ps3 ? |
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| 16:56.12 | mns | Eulex: thanks. |
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| 17:00.49 | adama | How do I ensure I have all the necessary fonts installed? my weather applet has a placeholder for the degrees symbol |
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| 17:04.38 | kart3186 | I need a very basic installation of debian.. but I must be able to add packages later... can I use this one CD http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-kde-CD-1.iso and later get the required packages using dpkg ? |
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| 17:06.25 | Alarm | hello, i downloaded firefox for my debian system. unfortunatelly it doesnt recognise my jre. when i run iceweasel 2.x version i do not have a problem with it. but with firefox 3 it tryis to install the java plugin although its already installed. any help ? |
| 17:06.37 | Chocobo | Ok, is there a way to get dselect to "forget" about the changes you once wanted made.... |
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| 17:10.35 | Chocobo | phew, debian is going to take a while for me to get used to. |
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| 17:12.35 | apallo | does anyone know of a good ftp client that supports ssl/tls? |
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| 17:12.55 | tarzeau | apallo: lftp |
| 17:13.09 | marsje | apallo: scp ;-) |
| 17:13.51 | apallo | thanks, will try them out |
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| 17:15.32 | Chocobo | hehe I feel like I am cheating on Arch. |
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| 17:17.28 | apallo | hmmm, lftp seems to be not working |
| 17:17.29 | apallo | heh |
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| 17:18.02 | wols_ | apallo: not true |
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| 17:18.40 | apallo | well, i realize that it is me |
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| 17:18.55 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 17:18.56 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:19.14 | apallo | rofl, nice |
| 17:19.17 | marsje | cool |
| 17:19.27 | marsje | I was just trying to explain all that to this guy... |
| 17:20.16 | apallo | is there a gui based ftp client other than filezilla that i could use? |
| 17:21.17 | tckb | hey i cannt use apt cacher |
| 17:21.19 | adama | nautilus |
| 17:21.41 | wols_ | tckb: we can't mindread either |
| 17:21.49 | wols_ | apallo: gftp |
| 17:22.10 | tckb | ok .. tell me how to use apt cacher |
| 17:22.49 | apallo | cool, thanks wols_! |
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| 17:23.01 | wols_ | tckb: we still can't mind read |
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| 17:23.14 | wols_ | and no matter how long you ask like this: we'll fail at it. sorry |
| 17:23.35 | tckb | wol_s ??? what do mean that? |
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| 17:24.03 | wols_ | that you need to find out how to ask for help on irc properly. hint: it's rare you find any handholding doing your work for you |
| 17:24.10 | wols_ | for starters /msg dpkg errors |
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| 17:27.46 | zxxxd | does anyone know under what OS linux was coded? |
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| 17:28.08 | cr3_ | windows |
| 17:28.12 | apallo | rofl |
| 17:28.14 | wols_ | under linux |
| 17:28.27 | wols_ | bootstrapping was done on minix |
| 17:28.36 | cr3_ | it was created, not coded |
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| 17:29.23 | Alarm | when i do a "ls" i get always a number |
| 17:29.24 | Alarm | example: |
| 17:29.30 | Alarm | ls /home/alarm |
| 17:29.36 | Alarm | total 276 |
| 17:29.36 | zoldar | hello. Because of stability problems with xfs on software raid, I want to change the filesystem to ext3 - however, I would like to avoid setting everything up again - is it possible to tar contents of all filesystems (root partition included), format partitions with ext3 and untar everything back without any problem? if it is possible, are there any necessary changes besides entries in /etc/fstab ? |
| 17:29.36 | Alarm | drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 2008-05-01 15:36 bin |
| 17:29.36 | Alarm | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4140 2008-03-25 11:27 COPYRIGH |
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| 17:29.45 | Alarm | what is that "total 276" number ? |
| 17:30.14 | wols_ | Alarm: what is your alias for ls? |
| 17:30.30 | Alarm | i wish i knew what that is what u mean :) |
| 17:30.50 | wols_ | a bog standard ls does not show you what you pasted for no good reason in here right now |
| 17:31.04 | wols_ | you feed it an option somewere. probably several |
| 17:31.13 | wols_ | !alias |
| 17:31.13 | dpkg | Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
| 17:31.32 | Alarm | if i really wish i knew :) |
| 17:31.42 | trueboar | hey, i know that there is #dansguardian but neither of two online users there are talking, so my problem is with dansguardian starting longer than an hour, even w/t lists, is this 'normal'? please tell me what can i check that wont needs to restart dansguardian? |
| 17:31.42 | Alarm | ok, let me check in the bashrc file |
| 17:31.56 | cr3_ | hey, look at xscreensaver there is unreasonable amount of cool screensavers! like pong or simulation of old terminal |
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| 17:32.15 | cr3_ | Alarm, can't u just type 'alias'? |
| 17:32.22 | cr3_ | and then u got aliases |
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| 17:32.26 | asg | Alarm: info coreutils ls (that will tell you what the number means) |
| 17:32.29 | Alarm | alias doesnt return anything |
| 17:32.45 | cr3_ | hm |
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| 17:34.06 | Alarm | and my baschrc has only 3 lines (export) listed , nothing more |
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| 17:35.08 | adama | Alarm: what does "type ls" say? |
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| 17:35.37 | cr3_ | men, look at 'Pong' screensaver in xscreensaver options. it is the coolest screensaver EVER. it shows the time as the score :D |
| 17:35.52 | abrotman | men? |
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| 17:36.00 | Alarm | alarm@rockpc:~/Downloads/Applications/firefox-3.0/firefox/plugins$ type ls |
| 17:36.00 | Alarm | ls is hashed (/bin/ls) |
| 17:36.00 | tckb | wol_s: am getting this error |
| 17:36.02 | tckb | /etc/init.d/apt-cacher start |
| 17:36.02 | tckb | Starting Apt-Cacher: apt-cacherUnable to bind socket (port 3142), trying again in 5 seconds. |
| 17:36.02 | tckb | Unable to bind socket (port 3142), trying again in 5 seconds. |
| 17:36.03 | tckb | Unable to bind socket (port 3142), /usr/sbin/apt-cacher not started. |
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| 17:36.50 | asg | abrotman: obviously, he wasn't talking about you |
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| 17:37.02 | abrotman | I'm a bot! |
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| 17:37.19 | wols_ | abrotman: you wish. you're a cross dressing baseball addict |
| 17:37.21 | asg | abrotman: tranny op! |
| 17:37.22 | zxxxd | cr3_, it wasn't coded? |
| 17:37.32 | abrotman | sends NASCAR fans to invade asg's backyard |
| 17:37.33 | cr3_ | zxxxd, wut? |
| 17:37.34 | tckb | wol_s am getting this error |
| 17:37.42 | tckb | #flood /etc/init.d/apt-cacher start |
| 17:37.42 | tckb | Starting Apt-Cacher: apt-cacherUnable to bind socket (port 3142), trying again in 5 seconds. |
| 17:37.42 | tckb | Unable to bind socket (port 3142), trying again in 5 seconds. |
| 17:37.42 | tckb | Unable to bind socket (port 3142), /usr/sbin/apt-cacher not started. |
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| 17:37.48 | wols_ | what a moron |
| 17:37.49 | cr3_ | hahaaa |
| 17:37.54 | cr3_ | i did that too |
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| 17:38.00 | abrotman | !tell tckb about paste |
| 17:38.07 | asg | guess he couldn't bind to port 6667 either |
| 17:38.10 | iveqy_ | how to enable pipe_transport in exim= |
| 17:38.17 | asg | abrotman: they already have! |
| 17:38.26 | abrotman | sucks to be you |
| 17:38.30 | tckb | :( .. its kicking me out |
| 17:38.37 | tckb | wen i paste the o/p??? |
| 17:38.39 | asg | tckb: because you keep flooding the channel |
| 17:38.46 | wols_ | tckb: yes |
| 17:38.59 | tckb | no i want to paste the o/p wich i got |
| 17:39.14 | abrotman | hasn't seen it abbreviated "o/p" |
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| 17:39.22 | tckb | i mean u told u specify my wrror |
| 17:39.25 | tckb | error* |
| 17:39.35 | abrotman | okay then |
| 17:40.11 | tckb | plz tell tell me how to post the output |
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| 17:40.54 | Pollywog | where do I get kde 4.1 beta for Debian? |
| 17:41.01 | Pollywog | for Debian Lenny |
| 17:41.04 | abrotman | Pollywog: ask #debian-kde |
| 17:41.08 | Pollywog | ty |
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| 17:42.01 | asg | tckb: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:42.13 | tckb | thanks |
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| 17:42.33 | tckb | #flood |
| 17:43.54 | tckb | hey i have pasted my o/p plz reply |
| 17:45.49 | tckb | anybody? |
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| 17:46.20 | abrotman | you have to tell us to go there before you paste |
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| 17:46.36 | tckb | ohh .. |
| 17:46.36 | tckb | okk... |
| 17:46.50 | tckb | plz join the #flood |
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| 17:47.15 | wols_ | !tell tckb about enter |
| 17:47.15 | tckb | i want to show my error regardong the apt cacher |
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| 17:48.27 | gonzaloaf | hi. if I have 2 soundcards, how do I set one as the default or primary audio device? |
| 17:48.42 | cahoot | try asoundconf |
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| 17:52.29 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, thanks |
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| 18:06.13 | mns | I am trying to not use a full-fledged SMTP server on my laptop, and just want something that keeps local mail from root, etc, staying local, while all outgoing email from my MUA goes out to a relay host inside the company. |
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| 18:06.28 | wols_ | !ssmtp |
| 18:06.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ssmtp is an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 18:06.32 | wols_ | dunno about loca stuff |
| 18:06.57 | gonzalo_ | cahoot, I set the default card but the change doenst takes effect |
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| 18:07.40 | valdyn | mns: and the problem is what? |
| 18:07.45 | helo | when i try 'hwclock --systohc', it says "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out"... wth |
| 18:07.49 | valdyn | mns: not like exim4 is big |
| 18:08.09 | cahoot | gonzalo_: no error? |
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| 18:08.46 | gonzalo_ | cahoot, nop |
| 18:08.51 | mns | valdyn: exim4 is not big, but I want something simple and easy. |
| 18:09.02 | valdyn | mns: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config, done |
| 18:09.08 | gonzalo_ | brb |
| 18:09.42 | cahoot | gonzalo_: an other way is to explicitly set Options <snd-card-I-choose> index=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 18:10.22 | Spec | Heya....on boot, when oracle is launching i'm getting errors from /etc/profile, saying, "/etc/profile: line 26: ulimit: max user processes: cannot modify limit: Operation not permitted." |
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| 18:10.39 | Spec | however, after it's finished booting, i can su - oracle and run the ulimit line in /etc/profile, and it doesn't error |
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| 18:11.31 | Spec | when does /etc/security/limits.conf get applied? ( that seems to be relevant? ) |
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| 18:12.23 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, I'm back |
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| 18:13.14 | cahoot | gonzalo_: you can explicitly set Options <snd-card-I-choose> index=0 in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base |
| 18:13.44 | cahoot | gonzalo_: and index=1 for the other |
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| 18:22.39 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, the parameter <snd-card-I-choose> is the output of 'asoundconf list' ? |
| 18:23.20 | cahoot | gonzalo_: no - in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base or wherever your alsa modules are listed |
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| 18:27.30 | cr3_ | hi, where to add 'xscreensaver &' ? .xsession? .fluxbox/startup (if i use flux)? or sumwhere else? |
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| 18:27.57 | cr3_ | there're so many different options |
| 18:27.57 | abrotman | somewhere? |
| 18:28.04 | abrotman | oh i give up |
| 18:28.09 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, reboot after doing that? |
| 18:28.10 | cr3_ | i don't know .Xauthority or whatever |
| 18:28.23 | cahoot | gonzalo_: no - just restart alsa |
| 18:28.26 | cr3_ | which one? |
| 18:28.35 | cr3_ | which's the best? |
| 18:29.06 | cr3_ | i choose .fluxbox/startup. |
| 18:29.16 | gonzaloaf | cahoot, great! it worked |
| 18:30.34 | kanzure | I have a collection of x, y, and z coordinates that I'd like to plot in a 3D space. Does anybody know of the specific OpenGL API functions that I should recall? |
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| 18:30.54 | cr3 | i'm back |
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| 18:31.43 | kanzure | probably in http://www.glprogramming.com/red/ |
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| 18:32.17 | acemtp | Hello guys, by default, normal user cannot do netstat, how to change that? |
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| 18:36.09 | valdyn | acemtp: normal users can do netstat |
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| 18:41.35 | cr3 | does anybody use fluxbox? |
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| 18:42.10 | jthomas | anyone know about policies in CUPS? MY policy results in CUPS failing to restart: http://pastebin.com/m1f5c214a ##cups on Freenode is silent. |
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| 18:43.40 | wols_ | acemtp: they can do netstat but only see their own connections not all of them |
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| 18:46.15 | eini | the comma right behind the = |
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| 18:51.22 | Not_Any_More | nslu-question, you'll had to kill the parent process, or reboot. |
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| 18:52.05 | helo | can the process that is listening detect when the device is defunct, and kill itself? |
| 18:52.25 | nslu-question | i start a deamon that handles the serial port with a udev rule that is executed on add of ttyUSB0. |
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| 18:59.31 | abrotman | !flw |
| 18:59.32 | dpkg | hmm... flw12 is <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
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| 19:00.32 | Legality | question |
| 19:00.39 | Legality | I just removed a 16 gb log file |
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| 19:00.49 | Legality | I checked df before this action and df after this |
| 19:00.52 | Zibby | I wonder if I should give this old alpha some sort of funural or retirment party... |
| 19:01.01 | Legality | df showed no changed on free hdd space |
| 19:01.03 | Legality | why? |
| 19:01.19 | hoxu | Legality, may be still open, try lsof |
| 19:01.32 | Legality | lsof? |
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| 19:01.40 | Legality | unknown |
| 19:01.41 | hoxu | Legality, or it wasn't actually 16 GB, just a sparse file |
| 19:01.44 | hoxu | !lsof |
| 19:01.44 | dpkg | methinks lsof is LiSt Open Files. apt-get install lsof |
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| 19:02.30 | Legality | wow |
| 19:02.35 | Legality | lsof keeps on listing |
| 19:02.38 | abrotman | maybe not synced |
| 19:02.48 | Legality | is this verbose? |
| 19:03.03 | Legality | I mean do I really have easily over 10k open files |
| 19:03.13 | Legality | nm |
| 19:03.13 | hoxu | abrotman, does not matter afaik |
| 19:03.55 | Legality | 33140754556 34936969 /var/log/proftpd.sql.log (deleted) |
| 19:04.10 | Legality | actually it seems like a 30 gb log file |
| 19:04.28 | abrotman | restart proftpd ? |
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| 19:05.16 | hoxu | Legality, how on earth did you end up with so large logfile? Are you using logrotate at all or is there something seriously wrong with proftpd? |
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| 19:05.34 | hoxu | if you have so much traffic you prolly don't want to log to a file anyway... :) |
| 19:05.50 | Legality | one sec something is going on |
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| 19:06.35 | Legality | yeah |
| 19:06.36 | Legality | sync error |
| 19:06.42 | Legality | just had a major io wait spike |
| 19:06.50 | Legality | now df shows more hdd space |
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| 19:07.40 | Legality | SW-RAID1 caused sync delay? |
| 19:07.46 | hoxu | abrotman, hmrh, I'll retract my earlier statement now that I think about it |
| 19:07.52 | abrotman | hoxu: can i get a cookie? |
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| 19:08.35 | abrotman | hoxu: maybe that only started happening with journaled filesystems .. i don't recall |
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| 19:08.57 | kenjy | hi guys, where can I find some info to learn how to modify the net-install debian ISO? I need to add some features for get a personalized installer for a mass debian instalation in my work :) |
| 19:09.18 | hoxu | !stuff abrotman |
| 19:09.18 | dpkg | stuffs abrotman full of cookies until abrotman puts up a nice color of green |
| 19:09.37 | abrotman | !tell kenjy about custom netinst |
| 19:09.50 | Spec | heya, i'm having a problem with ulimits on start up....my /etc/init.d/oracle does su - $ORA_USER <some command>, which is ran as the user, 'oracle', which tries to source /etc/profile, and gives me an error about not being able to set ulimits. however, i don't get a ulimit-related-error if i login as oracle, or source /etc/profile as oracle. |
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| 19:10.33 | Spec | it's /etc/rc*.d/S99oracle, and i dont' get these errors if i make oracle not start on boot, and i start it as root user via /etc/init.d/oracle |
| 19:10.47 | hoxu | abrotman, well, I was thinking that when you delete a file the information about it only remains in memory, but you can still write to the file (and thus disk) so nevermind |
| 19:11.07 | kenjy | tnks abrotman :) Im going to read |
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| 19:11.13 | Pollywog | When I enter the ssh-add command, I get a prompt box that steals focus from the xterm window and asks for a password but accepts nothing I enter. How can I stop this? It appears to be a gnome-based window |
| 19:11.27 | kenjy | abrotman: just for a tip, this link don't work http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD |
| 19:11.28 | hoxu | abrotman, and obviously you can't reuse the space while the file is still open by a process :P |
| 19:11.42 | abrotman | kenjy: http://wiki.debian.org/?DebianCustomCD |
| 19:11.44 | kenjy | abrotman: this is for sarge not etch http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ |
| 19:11.45 | abrotman | changes factoid |
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| 19:12.04 | Pollywog | I thought it was an ubuntu thing but I am getting this annoyance in Debian as well |
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| 19:14.20 | asdzcx | hi |
| 19:14.30 | asdzcx | anyone know about some newer Django packages for Etch ? |
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| 19:15.03 | abrotman | isn't that a gnome thing ? |
| 19:15.15 | asdzcx | no, it Python Web Framework |
| 19:15.18 | asdzcx | it's |
| 19:15.35 | abrotman | maybe backports.org ? |
| 19:15.44 | asdzcx | no, i already look there |
| 19:15.46 | Pollywog | the annoyance window says that an application wants to unlock the private key id_rsa but it is locked |
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| 19:15.53 | schmiddy` | asdzcx, i dunno what ver. the Debian packages are now.. but Django is dead simple to install from an SVN checkout or their .tar.gz snapshot |
| 19:16.00 | Pollywog | I need to get rid of this annoyance |
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| 19:16.20 | asdzcx | schmiddy` but i wanted a deb package |
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| 19:17.00 | asdzcx | schmiddy` i know it can be installed easily, but i want to do it 'right way' |
| 19:17.32 | schmiddy` | *shrug*.. make your own .deb if there's not one out there already |
| 19:17.52 | asdzcx | and IF there is one, where should i search for it ? |
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| 19:18.30 | abrotman | asdzcx: you can make your own ... /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 19:20.31 | asdzcx | abrotman i don't completely understand the first step |
| 19:20.46 | asdzcx | abrotman shoul i remove 'deb-src http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/ etch main' and add 'deb-src http://ftp.sk.debian.org/debian/ sid main' ? |
| 19:21.40 | indes | that'll change your source repository from etch to sid (oldest to newest) .. |
| 19:21.53 | indes | after you do that, you should need to do an apt-get update |
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| 19:22.07 | asdzcx | but should i really do it ? |
| 19:22.35 | indes | as long as you don't apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade or apt-get install something that requires a lot of new things, you should be fine |
| 19:22.45 | indes | I run sid. but. I'm experienced and somewhat mentally unstable. |
| 19:23.11 | asdzcx | but i only want to create new deb package for python-django |
| 19:23.27 | indes | asdzcx, all new software will hit sid (or "unstable") .. while etch (or "stable") will only get critical bug fixes to whatevers there... |
| 19:23.43 | indes | if the source for what you need isn't in etch, it may be easier to upgrade to sid |
| 19:23.52 | indes | however all the versions of your programs will probably be upgraded as well along with it |
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| 19:24.12 | asdzcx | i don't want to upgrade |
| 19:24.25 | indes | (this may not necessarily be a good or a bad thing. depending on the situation. I don't want you upgrading because I told you to and have everything break, so.....) |
| 19:24.35 | asdzcx | i just want to create a den package for python-django cos original package in Etch is very old |
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| 19:24.56 | asdzcx | * a deb package |
| 19:25.13 | indes | do you have dpkg-buildpackage .. ? |
| 19:25.13 | abrotman | asdzcx: yes, you'd comment out the first .. use the second .. make your own packages |
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| 19:25.21 | abrotman | indes: that will NOT change his repo |
| 19:25.30 | indes | :-) |
| 19:25.37 | abrotman | so .. apparently not that experienced |
| 19:25.39 | indes | nope, it certainly will not. |
| 19:25.53 | indes | why does he need to change his repo for python-django .. ? |
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| 19:25.58 | abrotman | asdzcx: you add the deb-src line pointing to sid(or lenny if you choose) and then folow the rest of the instructions |
| 19:26.10 | indes | does -django not work on etch's python.. ? |
| 19:26.13 | abrotman | because he wants to have a debian-ized backport |
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| 19:26.24 | asdzcx | abrotman ok, should i change it back to Etch after creating that package ? |
| 19:26.29 | abrotman | probably |
| 19:26.37 | abrotman | asdzcx: just remember taht oyu're on your own for security issues |
| 19:26.41 | indes | slaps himself in the face |
| 19:27.30 | asdzcx | abrotman yes i know :( i didn't wanted to do this but i need django and version in Etch is really old and it don't allow me to do some things which i need |
| 19:27.41 | abrotman | boo! |
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| 19:28.22 | TeXnicer | I wanna install avr-gcc and debian-packages says etch main stable |
| 19:28.34 | TeXnicer | but my apt-get cannot find it |
| 19:28.39 | TeXnicer | after update |
| 19:28.59 | indes | do you have etch sources in your sources.list.. ? :-p |
| 19:29.00 | abrotman | !info avr-gcc etch |
| 19:29.09 | indes | why oh why .. |
| 19:29.11 | TeXnicer | i use ftp.debian.org/debian etch main |
| 19:29.18 | indes | look at abrotman ;-) |
| 19:29.35 | TeXnicer | !info |
| 19:29.37 | TeXnicer | ? |
| 19:29.37 | abrotman | !+nfo avr-gcc etch |
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| 19:29.42 | abrotman | !+info avr-gcc etch |
| 19:29.44 | dpkg | Package 'avr-gcc' does not exist. |
| 19:29.45 | abrotman | yay |
| 19:29.50 | indes | :-) |
| 19:29.59 | TeXnicer | thats not true |
| 19:30.02 | TeXnicer | xo) |
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| 19:30.06 | TeXnicer | unbeliveable |
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| 19:30.24 | TeXnicer | every webpage says like it and its. gcc-avr ... unbelieveable |
| 19:30.29 | wols_ | why does this package have the duty to exist TeXnicer? |
| 19:30.32 | E-bola | If bringing up the network causes a kernel crash, is there some way i can disable the lo interface before booting the kernel? |
| 19:30.56 | indes | TeXnicer, when I googled, it told me it was on debian for 'tinyos' ... |
| 19:30.57 | wols_ | E-bola: you can not bring up the network. |
| 19:31.02 | wols_ | !tell E-bola about interfaces |
| 19:31.08 | TeXnicer | wols_: ? |
| 19:31.14 | TeXnicer | avr = microcontroler |
| 19:31.20 | wols_ | TeXnicer: why should the package exist? |
| 19:31.22 | TeXnicer | I want to flash my c program on it? |
| 19:31.23 | wols_ | I know what an avr is |
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| 19:31.29 | indes | I know what an AVR is.. its a Microchip product. |
| 19:31.34 | TeXnicer | then I hence do not get you |
| 19:31.39 | wols_ | so it has to exist cause texnicer wants to do shit? great reason.... |
| 19:31.46 | Utwig|T42p | i'm installing debian on HP DL320G5 server |
| 19:31.57 | Utwig|T42p | no cd rom and no nic drivers on sarge |
| 19:31.59 | Utwig|T42p | errr etch |
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| 19:32.06 | abrotman | TeXnicer: avr-gcc and gcc-avr are two different things .. which is it ? |
| 19:32.10 | wols_ | Utwig|T42p: why do you try to install sarge? |
| 19:32.14 | Utwig|T42p | etch |
| 19:32.16 | Utwig|T42p | 4.0 |
| 19:32.25 | Utwig|T42p | not sarge, was a brainfart |
| 19:32.25 | wols_ | !tell Utwig|T42p about kmuto |
| 19:32.51 | TeXnicer | wols_: nice words abrotman: it about compiling a c-programm for this controler |
| 19:32.58 | indes | I think he wants gcc-avr |
| 19:32.59 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: kmuto's images with 2.6.23 should work on G5 machines |
| 19:33.09 | indes | TeXnicer, apt-get install gcc-avr (?) |
| 19:33.18 | Utwig|T42p | thanks |
| 19:33.22 | Utwig|T42p | i'll try that tomorrow |
| 19:33.28 | Utwig|T42p | we sold another ftp/samba server |
| 19:33.30 | TeXnicer | indes right |
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| 19:33.40 | indes | works here in sid :-) |
| 19:33.40 | Utwig|T42p | the one i set up has uptime of 124 days |
| 19:33.45 | TeXnicer | this package results in binary avr-gcc |
| 19:34.05 | wols_ | TeXnicer: what else do you thing apt-get install does? |
| 19:34.09 | indes | you want source.....? add sources to your sources.list and apt-source it ? |
| 19:34.20 | indes | oh, no.. it doesn |
| 19:34.21 | wols_ | *think |
| 19:34.25 | abrotman | TeXnicer: yes .. apt-cache search avr gcc .. does that return anything ? |
| 19:34.54 | tview | I am trying to install the nvidia driver the debian way. But when I run " m-a a-i nvidia" it just stops with an error with nothing inthe build log. Any ideas why this might be? |
| 19:34.55 | Utwig|T42p | what would be the way if you want to use kde on debian? |
| 19:34.58 | Utwig|T42p | install desktop |
| 19:35.01 | indes | binutils-avr seems a bit large... |
| 19:35.02 | Utwig|T42p | then apt-get install kde? |
| 19:35.04 | TeXnicer | abrotman: it is solved the package gcc-avr was needed but documented as avr-gcc because the binary is called like this |
| 19:35.08 | wols_ | !tell Utwig|T42p about install kde |
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| 19:35.20 | beardy | !tell Utwig|T42p -about aptitude |
| 19:35.28 | abrotman | TeXnicer: okay .. have a nice day |
| 19:35.29 | beardy | !tell Utwig|T42p -about grounding |
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| 19:35.59 | TeXnicer | indes: Thx 4 help |
| 19:36.00 | jelly | TeXnicer: package names can and often differ from program names. Use the search functionality. |
| 19:36.05 | TeXnicer | abrotman: thx for help |
| 19:36.12 | Utwig|T42p | thanks for help |
| 19:36.13 | indes | its all abrotman |
| 19:36.17 | indes | I'm a pylon today |
| 19:36.31 | jelly | TeXnicer: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:36.42 | Utwig|T42p | let me see if i have aptitude on that server |
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| 19:38.10 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: you could download the 2.6.24 kernel from upcoming etch-and-a-half point release on some other machine, and mount it via iLO2 |
| 19:38.31 | Utwig|T42p | download iso installer? |
| 19:38.41 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: no. |
| 19:38.59 | Utwig|T42p | err also for ilo2 on hps to mount stuff |
| 19:39.03 | Utwig|T42p | you need to pay on lowend servers |
| 19:39.16 | Utwig|T42p | on lowends ilo2 only does bios, no kvm, OS console |
| 19:39.17 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: download only the kernel package, make an iso image with it, then mount it on the remote server (if you have iLO connected and configured) |
| 19:39.30 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: there are trial (30 days) licenses |
| 19:40.08 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: fwiw, VSP functionality is good enough for most of console jobs |
| 19:40.37 | TeXnicer | jelly: ack |
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| 19:40.44 | Utwig|T42p | and then boot off install cd |
| 19:40.50 | Utwig|T42p | and point it to new kernel |
| 19:40.57 | Utwig|T42p | am i correct |
| 19:41.08 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: do you already have etch installed? |
| 19:42.31 | Utwig|T42p | no |
| 19:42.40 | Utwig|T42p | just unwrapped the box today afternoon |
| 19:42.54 | Utwig|T42p | ok i have it on another box that is performing same role |
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| 19:43.41 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: oh, no need for that then, just install from kmuto images |
| 19:43.46 | Utwig|T42p | ok |
| 19:43.55 | Utwig|T42p | i assume i want the lattest |
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| 19:44.14 | Utwig|T42p | also |
| 19:44.21 | Utwig|T42p | in that box i have 2 250GB drives |
| 19:44.31 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: not necessarily. His 2.6.23 images worked for me; the 2.6.24 ones less so. |
| 19:44.32 | Utwig|T42p | what's the best way to do mirror, BIOS? |
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| 19:45.03 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: sata or sas drives? which controller option do you have? |
| 19:45.06 | Utwig|T42p | sata |
| 19:45.12 | Utwig|T42p | it's intel controller |
| 19:45.25 | Utwig|T42p | plainjane sata drives |
| 19:45.36 | wols_ | fakeraid. so use software raid |
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| 19:45.53 | Utwig|T42p | i can make raid1 or 0 in bios |
| 19:46.00 | wols_ | that is no raid |
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| 19:46.12 | Utwig|T42p | but i'll need monitoring to tell me if disk is down |
| 19:46.15 | wols_ | !fakeraid |
| 19:46.15 | dpkg | hmm... fakeraid is term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 19:46.21 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: sounds like fakeraid all right... I'd suggest using linux md raid |
| 19:46.39 | Utwig|T42p | there are some hp tools for debian |
| 19:46.46 | Utwig|T42p | http://hp.com/go/debian |
| 19:46.47 | wols_ | jelly: don't people KNOW when they buy real raid? I mean at least they wallet should |
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| 19:47.22 | jelly | wols_: those machines have 3 controller options. the more expensive two use sas disks and hw raid |
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| 19:47.49 | jelly | (the middle one doesn't come with battery-backup by default) |
| 19:47.51 | wols_ | yes but as I said: your wallet should know if you bought real raid |
| 19:47.59 | jelly | e-yup |
| 19:48.03 | wols_ | if you don't you are a moron who shouldn't be let near a server |
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| 19:48.20 | Utwig|T42p | i know |
| 19:48.45 | jelly | wols_: we buy machines for our dedicated/colo customers... they don't really have an idea about the hardware |
| 19:48.49 | milligan_ | when booting my comp, it seems that it randomly choses what to use as my default sound output device (soundcard or usb headset). How can I set it to always use the usb headset ? |
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| 19:48.51 | Utwig|T42p | but raid5 is different from mirror |
| 19:49.00 | wols_ | jelly: they shouldn't install stuff then |
| 19:49.09 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: you did say you have just two disks right? |
| 19:49.19 | Utwig|T42p | mirror in bios with write cache disabled should be ok? |
| 19:49.20 | Utwig|T42p | yes |
| 19:49.24 | jelly | so raid5 is out of the question |
| 19:49.29 | Utwig|T42p | yes |
| 19:49.33 | wols_ | Utwig|T42p: NO bios enabled raid. never |
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| 19:49.41 | Utwig|T42p | ok |
| 19:49.48 | wols_ | ther is only one reason to use BIOS raid: if you dual boot withwindows |
| 19:49.52 | B1ST | what's the proper way in deb to install the win32codecs? |
| 19:50.06 | wols_ | !tell B1ST about dmm |
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| 19:50.26 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: I have no idea about that bios or the capabilities of the cheapest controller. I suggest investigation into chipset capabilities, and if it's fakeraid, use linux softraid instead |
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| 19:50.37 | Utwig|T42p | ok |
| 19:50.49 | B1ST | hmm, ok, wols_ |
| 19:50.51 | B1ST | ty |
| 19:50.53 | Utwig|T42p | it's the same thing one would do on windows |
| 19:50.59 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: but "intel" and "bios capable raid1 or raid0" smells strongly of fakeraid |
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| 19:51.28 | jelly | might not be the case; dunno. |
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| 19:52.02 | mordy_ | is there a way to make my external graphics card work with linux? |
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| 19:52.18 | jelly | Utwig|T42p: mdadm can be configured to mail you in case of disk death; and LILO can be configured to install itself on both disks so you can boot if the first disk dies |
| 19:52.18 | wols_ | mordy_: external how? |
| 19:52.35 | mordy_ | wols, it's an external graphics card. USB |
| 19:52.40 | Utwig|T42p | :) |
| 19:52.53 | Utwig|T42p | usb cards are work of satan |
| 19:52.53 | wols_ | you need special drivers. ask themanufacturer |
| 19:52.55 | indes | .. they make USB graphics .. cards.. now? |
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| 19:53.02 | wols_ | indes: for quite some time |
| 19:53.03 | curtmack | "system-tools-backendsinvoke-rc.d: initscript system-tools-backends, action 'start' failed" <-- When trying to configure system-tools-backends. No idea what's causing it |
| 19:53.09 | indes | interesting. |
| 19:53.10 | wols_ | proprietary as heck of course |
| 19:53.18 | indes | oh of course, |
| 19:53.22 | mordy_ | indes, yes - but they aren't very good - but it's good enough if you're mainly reading text and want a DVI output |
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| 19:53.47 | curtmack | anybody know what the problem might be? |
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| 19:54.13 | indes | mordy_, you get a full 50hz/60hz output from it.. ? |
| 19:54.23 | indes | if so - should work for TV .. *shudder* |
| 19:54.42 | indes | better be USB2.0 :-) |
| 19:54.47 | mordy_ | yes - albeit it's not good for much more than plain text @ 1440*900 |
| 19:54.52 | mordy_ | it's brand new |
| 19:55.06 | curtmack | also, am I the only one who finds the package name "liboobs-1.4" funny? Please tell me I'm not the only one. |
| 19:55.33 | Utwig|T42p | how is debian with kde4? |
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| 19:56.57 | simonrvn | curtmack: um, some are intentionally named a certain way, yes |
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| 19:57.30 | jelly | smacks curtmack with "iberty" |
| 19:57.31 | simonrvn | like librarian, that one, and there's another that escpaes me |
| 19:57.37 | simonrvn | yeh, that one |
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| 19:57.50 | jelly | there's also owfat |
| 19:58.15 | mordy_ | " It uses a kernel module (sisusbvga) and an X.org driver (sisusb). With an appropriate xorg.conf, it just works like any more conventional graphics card." - what does this mean? |
| 19:58.17 | curtmack | right |
| 19:58.18 | indes | mordy_, the SIS chipset is supported |
| 19:58.19 | indes | yes |
| 19:58.31 | mordy_ | indes, how do i get it to work? |
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| 19:58.54 | indes | the "SiS315E/PRO" product.. if you have that particular one... insert the module, check dmesg for anything relevant .. even lsusb maybe to see if it shows |
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| 19:59.19 | mordy_ | it shows on lsusb as "Bus 005 Device 003: ID 0711:0950 Magic Control Technology Corp." |
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| 19:59.30 | jelly | simonrvn: I don't get it... -lrarian isn't funny at all! |
| 19:59.35 | indes | mordy_, modprobe sisusbvga (or insmod..) went okay? |
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| 19:59.46 | indes | mordy_, or even, lsmod shows sisusbvga inserted |
| 19:59.53 | tview | Could some kind sole please help me debug why the m-a way of installing the nvidia binary driver does not work on my debian lenny system? I was told this is the only supported way, but can not get it to work. |
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| 19:59.56 | sidhartha | hello everybody |
| 20:00.04 | mordy_ | modprobe went ok |
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| 20:00.08 | simonrvn | jelly: no, but the package / source name is very mildly so heh |
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| 20:00.59 | indes | mordy_, after the modprobe inserted the module, hopefully dmesg will spitout something useful (hopefully, depending on who wrote the driver..) |
| 20:01.06 | mordy_ | lol |
| 20:01.22 | sidhartha | i would like if the app 'cairo-dock' exist in the lenny branch , i don't find it with aptitude, maybe my source list isn't complete enough ... |
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| 20:01.36 | sidhartha | s/like/like to know |
| 20:01.36 | mordy_ | "Registered new driver sisusb... version 0.0.8" |
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| 20:02.07 | indes | mordy_, so now modify your xorg.conf to have a new section for that device... |
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| 20:02.12 | jeffwheeler | Neither the license for Xen nor VMWare qualify to the DFSG, do they? |
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| 20:02.20 | mordy_ | :-s let me see if i can do that |
| 20:02.22 | indes | (as per http://linux.die.net/man/4/sisusb I believe ) |
| 20:02.30 | mordy_ | what's thw path again? |
| 20:02.42 | indes | path to what? |
| 20:02.45 | simonrvn | xen does i think, vmware definitely not |
| 20:02.51 | mordy_ | xorg.conf |
| 20:02.54 | curtmack | /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:02.57 | indes | oh, ^^ |
| 20:03.03 | indes | someone has that on speed dial |
| 20:03.07 | simonrvn | take a guess... |
| 20:03.09 | mordy_ | lol |
| 20:03.10 | curtmack | just a fast typer |
| 20:03.19 | indes | I hit tab to try to complete it.. damn bash making me lazy |
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| 20:03.29 | curtmack | lol |
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| 20:04.32 | indes | mordy_, anyway, once you edit your xorg.conf file, restart X and volia, it should be outputting a new desktop on your usb dongle. ( lol - dongle. ) |
| 20:04.41 | mordy_ | lol |
| 20:04.47 | jeffwheeler | Err, Xen isn't GPL is it? |
| 20:05.02 | mordy_ | that's what it is - i wonder if it would work, considering that it's DVI and not VGA - like the more commons ones out there |
| 20:05.21 | indes | ... it _SHOULD_ work but.. it'll probably be an extension of your regular desktop |
| 20:05.32 | indes | i.e. desktop 0:1 or whatever |
| 20:05.39 | mordy_ | indes - is there a way to turn my primary graphics off? |
| 20:05.54 | mordy_ | i also don't know how to edit the xorg.conf. i'm a newbie :( |
| 20:06.00 | indes | mordy_, change the xorg.conf to satisfy it... |
| 20:06.17 | indes | mordy_, xorg.conf tells X (the graphical server) what devices you have... video cards, monitors, mice, keyboards, etc.. |
| 20:06.25 | simonrvn | jeffwheeler: there's bsd licenses that are dfsg free. dfsg free isn't only the gpl |
| 20:06.34 | indes | if you remove your old video card, or replace it with the dongle ... it'll use the dongle primarily |
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| 20:06.48 | indes | mordy_, perhaps man 5 xorg.conf may help you.... |
| 20:06.55 | mordy_ | lol, my old video card is soldiered unto the motherbord |
| 20:07.01 | jeffwheeler | simonrvn: I know, but I didn't realize Xen qualified at all. |
| 20:07.06 | indes | .. so? if X doesn't output on it - X doesn't care. |
| 20:07.11 | jeffwheeler | simonrvn: it looks like it's GPL, thoug? |
| 20:07.15 | jeffwheeler | *though |
| 20:07.21 | mordy_ | oh, you mean remove it from xorg.confi |
| 20:07.25 | simonrvn | jeffwheeler: lemme check to be sure |
| 20:07.31 | indes | mordy_, it appears this is more of a way to have the graphical envrionment on your dongle - not a console/TTY |
| 20:07.40 | indes | Yeah, anything not in xorg.conf - X won't use. |
| 20:08.08 | mordy_ | yes - that's what i want - what use is a DVI card for a console :p |
| 20:08.29 | indes | .. I don't know.. maybe you're attempting to run a USB bus across your home.. ? |
| 20:08.56 | mordy_ | hmm... to display a console in the living room? |
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| 20:09.13 | mordy_ | although my "home" consists of a 2*3m room |
| 20:09.31 | indes | mordy_, may I pm you a URL? |
| 20:09.33 | JyZyXEL | mordy_ nice home |
| 20:09.36 | valdyn | mordy_: you can disable your "old" video card in your bios |
| 20:09.43 | mordy_ | indes - sure |
| 20:09.51 | indes | read that. its almost step by step |
| 20:10.02 | indes | mordy_, and don't disable your video card in the bios or you'd have no terminal ;-) |
| 20:10.03 | simonrvn | jeffwheeler: from the wikipedia page: "Licences Apache · BSD · GPL · LGPL · MIT · MPL · Permissive free software licences · License proliferation" |
| 20:10.14 | mordy_ | yes |
| 20:10.15 | tview | Is anyone here familiar with m-a method of installing the nvidia driver on debian? |
| 20:10.27 | jeffwheeler | simonrvn: mmk, thank you |
| 20:10.28 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 20:10.28 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 20:10.33 | indes | mordy_, if you replace your current screen 0 device with the one you're adding - guess what ;-) |
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| 20:10.50 | indes | mordy_, nano /etc/X/xorg.conf (or use vi if you prefer.) |
| 20:10.59 | mordy_ | gedit ;) |
| 20:11.26 | indes | LOL |
| 20:11.30 | indes | whatever gets the boat afloat. |
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| 20:11.31 | JyZyXEL | vimtutor first |
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| 20:11.49 | JyZyXEL | gets you to the right path |
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| 20:12.07 | twobitwork | the manpage for start-stop-daemon mentions the --retry option which accepts a timeout, but doesn't say what unit of time is used... seconds, miliseconds? |
| 20:12.12 | tview | valdyn: err, that tried to install 2.6.18 kernel. |
| 20:12.33 | valdyn | tview: thats etch default kernel |
| 20:12.47 | tview | but why? I dont use that. |
| 20:13.06 | JordiGH | Hm, is it ok to ask Ubuntu questions in d-user? |
| 20:13.08 | simonrvn | goes for a nap... 5 hours sleep isn't enough |
| 20:13.12 | JordiGH | @d.lo. |
| 20:13.18 | JordiGH | @d.l.o |
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| 20:13.24 | valdyn | tview: i dont think waht you are telling us is entirely correct, show the output on a paste site |
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| 20:14.05 | trinux | JordiGH: ubuntu has their own mailing lists and people made web forums about ubuntu |
| 20:14.15 | tview | it tries to install "linux-image-2.6.18-6-686". my uname -r is 2.6.25-2-686. According to other pages the glx should work n that. |
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| 20:14.54 | valdyn | tview: m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia |
| 20:15.01 | JordiGH | trinux: I am aware about that, but d-user seems to tolerate Ubuntu questions. Is there any official guideline about what is acceptable to talk about in d-user? |
| 20:15.15 | tview | the nvidia bit just fails with an empty build log. No messages, nothing. |
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| 20:15.49 | trinux | JordiGH: they tolerate that? i doubt that. the website at lists.debian.org has list guidelines |
| 20:15.54 | tview | or maybe I need to revert to install it, then boot back to the 2.6.25 and then do the m-a bit again? Would that make sense? |
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| 20:16.13 | valdyn | tview: no, that doesnt make sense |
| 20:16.19 | JordiGH | trinux: I called someone on being offtopic in d-user about an Ubuntu question, and now I'm the flaming villain. |
| 20:16.25 | tview | The one liner also tries to remove xserver-xorg |
| 20:16.26 | valdyn | tview: i doubt theres an empty log |
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| 20:16.32 | valdyn | tview: something will be logged |
| 20:16.45 | tview | valdyn: well, the "view log" option shows and empty log. |
| 20:16.52 | valdyn | tview: paste us the outputs |
| 20:16.59 | valdyn | tview: stop interpreting them yourself |
| 20:17.12 | valdyn | tview: like the whole log where its "trying to remove xserver-xorg" |
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| 20:17.26 | trinux | JordiGH: haha. ignore that. try to refrain from posting anything for a while. at least dont react to people who try to challenge you :) |
| 20:17.42 | format_c | dpkg start a holy war |
| 20:17.42 | dpkg | FreeBSD RULEZ |
| 20:17.57 | trinux | pats dpkg |
| 20:18.11 | tview | valdyn: http://pastebin.com/m6e7b832a |
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| 20:18.24 | trinux | i wonder why there is so few books about internet drama |
| 20:18.29 | trinux | could be a booming market |
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| 20:19.17 | valdyn | tview: i thought we were past that already, since you have a 2.6.25 kernel |
| 20:19.42 | valdyn | tview: dont do that "apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'`" |
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| 20:20.08 | tview | just the m-a bit? |
| 20:20.13 | JordiGH | is too easily baited. |
| 20:20.13 | valdyn | tview: but instead you dont really have a choice but to compile nvidia drivers, which is done with the abovementioned -a line |
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| 20:20.18 | JordiGH | Someone tell me that free software sucks. |
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| 20:21.37 | superfirelord42 | dpkg, free software |
| 20:21.37 | dpkg | gives away a free software with every Debian download |
| 20:22.00 | JordiGH | !free |
| 20:22.01 | dpkg | it has been said that free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 20:22.05 | superfirelord42 | hmm, it changes it each time.... earlier it said cornflakes |
| 20:23.13 | JordiGH | Heh, its open source factoid is cute and with an agenda. |
| 20:23.19 | tview | valdyn: when I do the "m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia" it just says "build of nvidia kernel failed" and gives me option to see the build log. The build log is emtpy except for "Build log starting". Nothing else. |
| 20:23.29 | superfirelord42 | yup... |
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| 20:25.16 | valdyn | !b-e tview |
| 20:25.17 | dpkg | tview: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 20:25.21 | valdyn | tview: maybe that ^^ |
| 20:25.36 | tview | valdyn: I am familiar with all that. It's simply broken. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=28698&sid=2c09c33d884a5136e118ac8dc80da899 |
| 20:25.43 | tview | its ok, I can revert. |
| 20:25.47 | JordiGH | Do we have an ETA on lenny full freeze? |
| 20:25.57 | JordiGH | I am grepping d-devel-announce... |
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| 20:26.20 | gallus1 | hi everybody |
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| 20:27.35 | gallus1 | i have some problems with freepops any one of you can help me? |
| 20:29.18 | JordiGH | gallus1: Try forming your question. I don't use freepops, but perhaps you can get an answer anyways. |
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| 20:31.09 | gallus1 | the problem is that i don't really no wich is the problem |
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| 20:32.02 | gallus1 | freepops create a pop server via html connection to a webmail |
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| 20:35.51 | JordiGH | Is there a way to turn an IP into an approximate geographical location? Just got a suicide note over the 'net. |
| 20:36.18 | ssk | arnt there pages for that? |
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| 20:36.25 | superfirelord42 | JordiGH: some sites will do that for you |
| 20:36.30 | ssk | not sure how accurate they are |
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| 20:36.49 | superfirelord42 | they get general area unless its a static IP, in that case, the adress is linked to it |
| 20:36.51 | Eulex | JordiGH, whois might help somewhat. |
| 20:37.03 | twobitwork | what's the debian way of implementing the "status" function in init scripts? I see some scripts use the /lib/lsb/init-functions, but I thought there was a more debian-ish way of doing it |
| 20:37.16 | JordiGH | Eulex: Kay. |
| 20:37.19 | twobitwork | checks the policy manual |
| 20:37.30 | Eulex | twobitwork, I do not believe 'status' is required in any way in debian |
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| 20:39.35 | indes | .. and? |
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| 20:41.56 | N3bunel | is back (gone 33:48:43) |
| 20:42.22 | twobitwork | Eulex: well... it's a common convention, no? |
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| 20:48.10 | Sedrik | Hi, I'm getting a 404 when trying to install new package. the error is here: http://dpaste.com/64958/ Anyone know how to get around this? |
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| 20:48.57 | Sedrik | btw, this is on etch |
| 20:49.32 | indes | Sedrik, apt-get update <- when did you last do this? |
| 20:49.49 | Sedrik | indes: ah, hrm a while. lemme check |
| 20:50.08 | indes | Sedrik, .. check by.. doing it .. then trying again.. ? ;-) |
| 20:50.16 | Sedrik | yup |
| 20:50.27 | Sedrik | ya, duh. my bad |
| 20:50.31 | Sedrik | sorry for wasting ppl's time |
| 20:50.32 | Sedrik | ;) |
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| 20:50.39 | indes | :-) |
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| 20:52.10 | linksysds | iep tuko si que funciona xD |
| 20:52.18 | tuko | :D |
| 20:52.27 | tuko | nunca haba entrado aqu desde jabber |
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| 20:53.30 | Eulex | !es |
| 20:53.31 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:54.07 | tuko | dpkg, excuse mua ;) |
| 20:54.07 | dpkg | tuko: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:55.15 | indes | damnit mordy is in a hurry. lol |
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| 20:57.02 | kingsley | After several days of concerted but unsuccessful debugging, I need to ask for help. Two similar "mount" commands in /etc/init.d/umountroot are failing because "/ is busy". I'd appreciate well informed advice. |
| 20:57.21 | linksysds | Eulex: pardon, only we were proving the transport protocol jabber - irc |
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| 20:59.03 | JordiGH | Isn't Jabber called xmpp or something like that now? |
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| 21:00.12 | superfirelord42 | i thought they were the same |
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| 21:00.36 | superfirelord42 | I know jabber.org is still up and so is xmpp's site... |
| 21:01.08 | kingsley | The "lsof" command revealed several processes accessing /, but it seems to me that they're to be expected, because they're things like libc and bash, which are necessary for the (shutdown) script to run. |
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| 21:01.59 | linksysds | :$ |
| 21:02.23 | linksysds | I feel it do not speak English |
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| 21:03.06 | tuko | jabber.org is a xmpp server |
| 21:03.28 | superfirelord42 | its also a web site.... with information about jabber |
| 21:03.37 | ArthurArchnix | Looking for a ps2 emulator for debian. Found one called pcsx2, but you have to build it yourself. Curious if anyone uses an emulator, or any good debian sites for emulators. I'm running Lenny. |
| 21:03.49 | tuko | and there is a gateway from xmpp to irc |
| 21:04.25 | superfirelord42 | the gateways are easy, if you look at openfire, they have a connection gateway plugin with all the gateways avalible |
| 21:04.26 | linksysds | Another useful feature of the XMPP system is that of transports, also known as gateways, which allow users to access networks using other protocols. This can be other instant messaging protocols, but also protocols such as SMS or E-mail. Unlike multi-protocol clients, XMPP provides this access at the server level by communicating via special gateway services running on a remote computer. Any user can "register" with one of these gateways by providin |
| 21:04.47 | superfirelord42 | sorry, your right, the term is transports, not gateways... hehe... |
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| 21:06.47 | linksysds | info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabber |
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| 21:07.29 | superfirelord42 | !jabber |
| 21:07.29 | dpkg | methinks jabber is a GPLed cross-platform, multi-protocol, extremely extensible instant messaging system that is server based and uses XML for communication. Check it out at http://jabber.org, #jabber., gabber, available via the apt-get sources.list line "deb http://eliot.landrum.cx/packages frozen main", simply amazing!, has a Debian chat at xmpp:debian@conference.jabber.org |
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| 21:08.56 | linksysds | farewell, I have to go away |
| 21:09.00 | linksysds | hour 23:07 in Spain |
| 21:09.11 | linksysds | bye |
| 21:09.12 | superfirelord42 | wow, its late over there, gn.... |
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| 21:09.31 | tuko | me too. Bye |
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| 21:13.08 | superfirelord42 | what does mode +l do? |
| 21:13.26 | deus___ | limits the max users |
| 21:13.55 | superfirelord42 | so did that raise the limit or lower it? |
| 21:14.36 | deus___ | didn't pay attention what the limit was before |
| 21:14.47 | twobitwork | dpkg makes sure the limit is only slightly higher than the number of users currently in the channel |
| 21:14.48 | dpkg | twobitwork: okay |
| 21:14.57 | twobitwork | dpkg: shut up |
| 21:14.57 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 21:15.13 | twobitwork | dpkg: forget makes |
| 21:15.14 | dpkg | i didn't have anything called 'makes' to forget, twobitwork |
| 21:15.41 | twobitwork | someone needs to make dpkg smarter |
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| 21:16.06 | twobitwork | er... sorry, debhelp manages the +l... whatever |
| 21:16.13 | milligan_ | trying to install a program in wine, that requires a cd change. However, I can't release the cd because "it's currently in use". How can I get around that problem ? |
| 21:16.13 | twobitwork | debhelper* |
| 21:16.18 | jfalvarez | hey! how to install "make" with the apt ? |
| 21:16.27 | jfalvarez | where's the package ? |
| 21:16.31 | twobitwork | build-essentials |
| 21:16.39 | jfalvarez | twobitwork: thx |
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| 21:17.15 | twobitwork | jfalvarez: also, for future reference, you can use apt-file to find out what package provides a given file |
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| 21:18.53 | jfalvarez | twobitwork: ohh, cool, thx |
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| 21:26.08 | magyar_ | hi how can i get proftpd to auth agains a ADS server. I have currently courier doing so and samba |
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| 21:30.25 | n3kl | Can anyone offer advice on which encryption system to use for my file server, luks or truecrypt? |
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| 21:31.10 | cloakable | n3kl: IMO, luks is easier and better integrated into Debian. |
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| 21:31.24 | Kobaz | so what's a good way of preventing runaway processes |
| 21:31.27 | cloakable | Both are secure, however |
| 21:31.28 | xingu | hmm, excellent, 2.6.26's ipsec (xfrm?) seems to deadlock under some conditions |
| 21:31.32 | Kobaz | i just had a perl script take out one of my servers |
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| 21:32.04 | xingu | Kobaz: a 2x4 liberally applied usually does the trick |
| 21:32.18 | Kobaz | xingu: something automatic |
| 21:32.21 | n3kl | Kobaz: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 21:32.31 | Kobaz | n3kl: yeah but you can't set cpu % limits |
| 21:32.53 | Kobaz | maybe i'll play around with nice |
| 21:32.54 | n3kl | Kobaz: no, but you could reduce the nice of the process, reduce the number of forks for a given user |
| 21:33.23 | Kobaz | n3kl: it wasn't forks, it was just a bug in a script that started making perl chew up 100% cpu, and then ssh/apache/asterisk completely barf |
| 21:33.28 | n3kl | Kobaz: you can test it wil perl -e "fork while fork" |
| 21:33.35 | n3kl | oh, nm |
| 21:33.56 | n3kl | Kobaz: sounds to me like you would want to reduce the nice of the process |
| 21:34.00 | Kobaz | yeah |
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| 21:34.15 | xingu | sounds to me like you want to switch to dual core cpu's |
| 21:34.23 | Kobaz | i have a dual core |
| 21:34.33 | n3kl | Kobaz: I don't know of a way to reduce the cpu percentage er whatever. cpus are only really capable of running a 0 or 100% |
| 21:34.33 | kanzure | Hi all. I'm wondering what my options are for ethernet over USB. I've searched apt-cache and came up empty handed with terms like 'USB' and 'ethernet'. |
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| 21:34.44 | Kobaz | n3kl: yeah |
| 21:35.24 | xingu | so monitor runq backlog, trap when the first derivative turns positive, and log in and swat whatever's gone bananas |
| 21:35.43 | xingu | encoding the "what to swat" bit in a heuristic is doomed to failure |
| 21:35.59 | n3kl | kanzure: what are you trying to do? |
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| 21:37.37 | grendal_prime | ok i need to tun2fs set the filesystem to not check after a number of times..i know how to set the -i 0 but that aparenently is just the time interval. |
| 21:38.11 | Kobaz | -c |
| 21:38.17 | Kobaz | it's in the man page |
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| 21:40.54 | grendal_prime | yes but how to i set it to...never do it... 0 ? |
| 21:41.08 | Kobaz | yeap |
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| 21:43.14 | kanzure | I think it was called CDC ethernet. |
| 21:43.40 | kanzure | n3kl: The network connection only allows one MAC address, so I need to install a router or make my own. |
| 21:43.48 | n3kl | Is it better to do mdadm>lvm>luks or mdamd>luks>lvm ? or should I even use lvm at all if its all going to be one large partition. |
| 21:43.57 | zlu1znet101z | x10tQf1Q1zx |
| 21:44.02 | martiancode | does anyone know of an image magnifier that will magnify an image without losing any of it's preferences? |
| 21:44.26 | martiancode | as in working at pixels level |
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| 21:45.31 | martiancode | one that would help me magnify small pictures, I used to know of a commercial one back in time |
| 21:45.46 | grendal_prime | hey Kobaz do you know where it writes this info to? |
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| 21:46.15 | n3kl | martiancode: magnify, as in resize? like imagemagick? |
| 21:46.44 | grendal_prime | like i mean when you fire off...say...tune2fs -c 0 /dev/hda1 |
| 21:46.48 | dga | how do i get my laptop's function keys working? i can't adjust my sound or screen's brightness with them |
| 21:46.56 | martiancode | n3kl: does imagemagick sustain the image's preferences? if preferences is the right word ..... |
| 21:47.03 | grendal_prime | does it set a flag to -1 in a specific file...? |
| 21:47.08 | martiancode | n3kl: only one way to figure out, trying ... |
| 21:47.27 | n3kl | martiancode: not sure. Imagemagick is a suite of command line tools that can do just about everything to picture files that you could ever want. |
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| 21:48.04 | Kobaz | grendal_prime: the filesystem metadata |
| 21:48.11 | n0mad | is there posible to trace by date - what recent pacages was instaled ? |
| 21:48.27 | grendal_prime | hmm...so not in a config file somewhere ... |
| 21:48.31 | Kobaz | nope |
| 21:48.45 | grendal_prime | bummer...ok well i can still do it this way thanks for the help |
| 21:48.59 | Kobaz | dga: hotkeys |
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| 21:49.16 | Kobaz | dga: apt-get install hotkeys (and configure accordingly) |
| 21:49.23 | martiancode | n3kl: I have it installed I wasn't aware of it, as it wasn't in the right place, thanks alot :-) I'm trying it now |
| 21:49.55 | n3kl | martiancode: good luck. There is some very serious documentation as to the tools and how to use them. |
| 21:50.52 | martiancode | n3kl: you mean imagemagick's tools? |
| 21:50.57 | n3kl | yes |
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| 21:51.30 | bit0 | hi, i can't backup a certificate (iceweasel/firefox 2.0.0.14) |
| 21:51.44 | kingsley | Is anyone here using version 2.6.25-2-686 of the kernel? |
| 21:51.53 | martiancode | n3kl: actually from the initial testing I've done now, I think it's going to be fairly sufficient, thanks again ! |
| 21:51.58 | n3kl | bit0: why are you trying to backup a certificate from the web browser? |
| 21:52.07 | kingsley | The "uname -r" command will show you which version of the kernel you're using. |
| 21:52.13 | n3kl | martiancode: np |
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| 21:52.48 | n3kl | kingsley: I am sure that someone in here is using that kernel. Just ask your question. |
| 21:53.01 | bit0 | n3kl, i need a security copy for my laptop |
| 21:53.32 | kingsley | n3kl: OK. Will someone else who's using version 2.6.25-2-686 of the kernel, please show me the entry in /etc/fstab for your root file system? I'd like to compare it to mine, which fails in a "mount" command in /etc/init.d/umountroot. |
| 21:53.34 | n3kl | your browser will only hold a copy of public certificates, which you can get from teh site that is using it. |
| 21:54.01 | kanzure | Hm. It seems to be called cdc_ether. How do I go about acquiring cdc_ether? |
| 21:54.23 | n3kl | kanzure: try "modprobe cdc_ether" |
| 21:55.11 | bit0 | n3kl, sure, but i've several browsers |
| 21:55.12 | martiancode | surgeon: howdy :D? how did you find Debian so far? I always follow up with your news and posts on your blog :-) |
| 21:55.47 | bit0 | n3kl, thats my own personal certificate, my CA only gives me one. |
| 21:56.08 | dga | Kobaz: i have an inspiron 1501 and my keyboard isn't listed in --kbd-list |
| 21:56.11 | kanzure | n3kl: Aha, it's apt-cache search bridge-utils |
| 21:56.13 | n3kl | bit0: so you imported it into your browser and lost the original file? |
| 21:56.35 | Kobaz | dga: there are custom configs you can find on the web, do some googleing |
| 21:56.41 | n3kl | kanzure: ? |
| 21:57.14 | kanzure | n3kl: cdc_ether is in bridge-utils, it seems. |
| 21:57.30 | kanzure | n3kl: At any rate, it's now modprobed, and I need to go find another machine and some USB to test with. |
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| 21:58.06 | n3kl | kanzure: cdc_ether is a kernel module. do find /lib/modules/uname -r` | grep cdc |
| 21:58.06 | bit0 | n3kl, no, the CA "transfered it" to me. (I've go into a web page put my personal information and CA server put into my iceweasel the certificate). |
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| 21:58.15 | n3kl | someone once showed me an easier way to do that |
| 21:58.25 | kanzure | oh? |
| 21:58.34 | kanzure | because I figure this is going to suck immensely |
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| 21:59.16 | n3kl | bit0: the public certificate though, right? |
| 21:59.26 | DeltaS4 | which package do I need to install so I can send files via bluetooth through the gnome-bt-applet |
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| 21:59.49 | n3kl | !bluetooth |
| 21:59.49 | dpkg | somebody said bluetooth was a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting, or apt-get install bluez-utils; then run hidd --search as root. http://wiki.debian.org/BluetoothUser |
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| 22:03.01 | kanzure | Hm. What about the ltp port? |
| 22:03.21 | sidhartha | bye everybody have a nice night |
| 22:03.21 | bit0 | n3kl, i'm not sure, i think it's private one. These are the steps i follow . Iceweasel: Edit->Preferences->Advanced->Encrpytion->View Certificates->Your Certificates->Backup (And it hangs) |
| 22:03.25 | DeltaS4 | but lenny already brings that |
| 22:03.32 | bit0 | sidhartha, nice night! |
| 22:03.38 | DeltaS4 | and I can't send files from the applet menu |
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| 22:04.26 | DeltaS4 | I installed gnome-vfs-obex and I can browse my mobile's files, but can't still send/accept receive files |
| 22:04.49 | cloakable | kdebluetooth :) |
| 22:05.16 | n3kl | bit0: it would be odd to me that you would install a private certificate in your browser. But if iceweasel is hung, not sure what you can do about it. You might try to see if you can download the private certificate to a file or something from your ca instead of installing it into your browser. |
| 22:05.37 | n3kl | kdebluetooth is nice |
| 22:05.52 | bit0 | n3kl, thanks a lot :), i'll try it |
| 22:06.01 | n3kl | good luck |
| 22:06.39 | cloakable | n3kl: I know :) |
| 22:07.11 | cloakable | I'm confused as to why bluetooth is such a horrible mess under gnome still. |
| 22:07.25 | n3kl | then again, I don't even install packages if they have gnome dependencies. Kde rocks the shiz imho |
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| 22:08.24 | cloakable | n3kl: While I'm not quite that militant, I will note I still haven't installed anything that wants gnome atm. |
| 22:08.55 | n3kl | yeah, I might get a little carried away sometimes |
| 22:09.13 | cloakable | Hehe. |
| 22:09.39 | DeltaS4 | how do I choose to install KDE by default with debian lenny? |
| 22:09.44 | cloakable | But kdebluetooth is VERY nice. Especially under Lenny - it seems very polished. |
| 22:09.57 | cloakable | !kde |
| 22:09.58 | dpkg | methinks kde is a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde (irc.oftc.net), or ask me about <kde_trouble>, or to get KDE, ask about <install kde>. KDE-related IRC channels: http://wiki.kde.org/IRC+Channels |
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| 22:11.05 | n3kl | DeltaS4: if you chose a desktop installation, though, gnome is the default |
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| 22:11.48 | n3kl | cloakable: what version are you running? I am not on lenny, so I haven't seen that one. |
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| 22:12.27 | cloakable | n3kl: I'm not on the lenny machine, so I'm not sure what exact version number |
| 22:12.34 | n3kl | meh |
| 22:12.42 | cloakable | I'm running Etch on this box |
| 22:13.04 | DeltaS4 | n3kl, and if I don't choose a desktop installation, what are the metapackages I need to have a KDE DE? |
| 22:13.14 | n3kl | I am nervous to run lenny. I will probably wait a few more months |
| 22:13.39 | DeltaS4 | why? |
| 22:13.56 | n3kl | DeltaS4: you can message dpkg directly and follow the advice |
| 22:14.20 | n3kl | I have no need for lenny. I will take stability over anything. |
| 22:14.20 | cloakable | n3kl: xorg, kdm, kde-core will give you a slim KDE desktop |
| 22:14.31 | DeltaS4 | !install kde |
| 22:14.31 | dpkg | The metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff (almost the full KDE), 'kde-core' only the core, 'kdebase' is the smallest. To install KDE instead of GNOME during Debian installation if you're not installing from the KDE CD, supply "tasks=standard, kde-desktop" at d-i's boot prompt. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/KdeDebInstall, or ask me about <kde version> |
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| 22:15.09 | cloakable | n3kl: Hmm, I didn't know about the kdebase option |
| 22:15.14 | n3kl | DeltaS4: try /msg dpkg install kde |
| 22:15.21 | cloakable | I may try that next |
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| 22:19.20 | DeltaS4 | kde has something like pango too? |
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| 22:19.44 | Ian_Daniher | I installed debian etch on a USB HDD connected to a server |
| 22:19.47 | Ian_Daniher | I use grub |
| 22:19.56 | Ian_Daniher | on reboot, I get an error 29 message |
| 22:20.18 | Ian_Daniher | this is _not_ a dual-boot system |
| 22:20.41 | Ian_Daniher | I just tried "rootnoverify" and rebooted |
| 22:21.04 | PeterFA | One thing I like about Debian is that it doesn't spontaniously start thrashing my hd for a day or so. |
| 22:21.15 | Ian_Daniher | now I get the message "GRUB Loading stage1.5" repeated ad nauseam |
| 22:21.38 | jelly-home | PeterFA: that can be easily remedied! |
| 22:21.43 | raijin | heh |
| 22:21.47 | cloakable | Ian_Daniher: How big is the partition that /boot is on? |
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| 22:21.53 | n3kl | DeltaS4: I don't know what pango is |
| 22:21.55 | PeterFA | jelly-home, in Ubuntu, it did that. |
| 22:22.00 | PeterFA | jelly-home, I never could figure out why. |
| 22:22.01 | Ian_Daniher | cloakable: 60 gb |
| 22:22.07 | raijin | trying to get sound working here |
| 22:22.23 | DeltaS4 | n3kl, internationalisation stuff |
| 22:22.40 | DeltaS4 | it chose the right fonts for chinese text for example |
| 22:22.42 | n3kl | Ian_Daniher: I would try to boot the system manually from teh grub prompt, hit c, and see if all your partitions/devices are detected where you think they are and boot your system that way |
| 22:22.52 | n3kl | DeltaS4: i'm sure |
| 22:23.04 | jelly-home | PeterFA: beagle? www proxy? plain ole memory leaks making the machine swap all over? |
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| 22:23.19 | DeltaS4 | and does it use up more or less ram than gnome? |
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| 22:23.41 | cloakable | Ian_Daniher: Your BIOS may not like that partition size. Try a smaller partition |
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| 22:23.57 | Ian_Daniher | cloakable: alright, I'll |
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| 22:24.01 | n3kl | !tell raijin about alsa |
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| 22:24.22 | DeltaS4 | 256mb of RAM is enough for KDE? |
| 22:24.24 | n3kl | cloakable: good point |
| 22:24.35 | n3kl | DeltaS4: I have seen it run on that small. |
| 22:24.48 | cloakable | Ian_Daniher: An easy fix would be to create a 1GB partition at the start of the drive, and mount /boot there |
| 22:24.50 | n3kl | or smaller |
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| 22:25.20 | Ian_Daniher | cloakable: ok, I'll look into it - thanks |
| 22:25.26 | cloakable | n3kl: I've seen, and solved error 29 before |
| 22:25.37 | PeterFA | jelly-home, what's beagle? |
| 22:25.52 | PeterFA | jelly-home, this was Kubuntu Hardy, and it was very slow. |
| 22:26.02 | PeterFA | jelly-home, like Debian runs about as fast as my Gentoo system ran. |
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| 22:26.31 | PeterFA | It also lacked many packages. |
| 22:26.34 | PeterFA | It was a real pain. |
| 22:26.37 | PeterFA | Just too much work. |
| 22:26.55 | PeterFA | I wanted to go back to Gentoo, where I know I can fix it, without it screwing up my monitor, AGAIN! |
| 22:27.31 | kanzure | How can I clear my 'caches' or somesuch? I know the IP to the website I am pinging has changed, but ping doesn't tell me the latest IP. How can I fix this? |
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| 22:31.40 | raijin | n3kl: 1 i have known about alsa for years 2 it worked out of the box from the live cd i used to install this <distro> (which is actually more like a live cd) and 3 i have tried everything that i am familiar with, having 5 years linux experience. but thanks for the bot action. |
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| 22:31.52 | n3kl | PeterFA: I think its an indexing service for faster searches |
| 22:32.03 | PeterFA | n3kl, hmm. |
| 22:32.38 | n3kl | raijin: all you should need to do is apt-get install alsa-utils && alsaconf |
| 22:32.53 | SerajewelKS | raijin: you're a lot more likely to get specific help if you say something more useful than "trying to get sound working here" |
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| 22:33.12 | n3kl | raijin: no offense. its hard to guage peoples experience by a single sentence |
| 22:33.18 | raijin | i never asked for help actually |
| 22:33.39 | raijin | but it helps to communicate for me |
| 22:34.09 | raijin | n3kl: none taken |
| 22:34.30 | JordiGH | Wow. OO.o is gonna be able to *import* pdf? |
| 22:34.35 | kanzure | Network monitoring tools? Any way that I can see people as they HTTP over to a server? |
| 22:34.42 | JordiGH | There's no way that's gonna work properly. |
| 22:34.45 | SerajewelKS | raijin: well when people join a support channel and say they are trying to get something working, it seems like an implied question :) |
| 22:35.03 | SerajewelKS | kanzure: wireshark or tcpdump |
| 22:35.07 | raijin | SerajewelKS: implied being the keyword in that sentence |
| 22:35.15 | n3kl | kanzure: what do you mean "see people" |
| 22:35.17 | kanzure | SerajewelKS: tcpdump doesn't tell me, say, the URLs that they are accessing. |
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| 22:35.21 | kanzure | SerajewelKS: and wireshark is GUI |
| 22:35.29 | SerajewelKS | raijin: yes, that was implied too :P |
| 22:35.34 | kanzure | n3kl: See IP addresses, their requests, and geo-IP information maybe |
| 22:35.36 | SerajewelKS | kanzure: it does if you read the manpage |
| 22:35.38 | n3kl | kanzure: tail /var/log/apache/* will though |
| 22:35.40 | kanzure | SerajewelKS: okay |
| 22:35.40 | batcoder-7 | anyone here know anything about VoIP and SIP ??? |
| 22:35.45 | kanzure | n3kl: ah, that'll be interesting |
| 22:35.47 | kanzure | n3kl: thanks |
| 22:36.02 | n3kl | batcoder-7: just ask man |
| 22:36.06 | SerajewelKS | kanzure: wait did you mean on your own http server or on other people's servers that you are routing to? |
| 22:36.06 | kanzure | n3kl: tail just prints and quits |
| 22:36.12 | kanzure | SerajewelKS: On my own. |
| 22:36.16 | kanzure | SerajewelKS: I'm on the box at the moment. |
| 22:36.19 | SerajewelKS | kanzure: tail -f /var/log/... |
| 22:36.40 | kanzure | SerajewelKS: Okay. Thank you. |
| 22:36.43 | SerajewelKS | np |
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| 22:44.05 | curtmack | How do I change X resources on Debian |
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| 22:45.47 | PeterFA | Mon Jul 14 15:46:08 PDT 2008 |
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| 22:52.29 | raininja | lets see if that happens again |
| 22:53.13 | raininja | nope |
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| 22:54.14 | raininja | i would guess this distro/livecd isnt even supported here |
| 22:54.44 | raininja | elive i mean |
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| 22:56.56 | amphi | a spork? |
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| 22:57.17 | raininja | no thanks i have chopsticks |
| 22:57.37 | Garda | hey guys |
| 22:57.56 | Garda | what is the name of the automatic updates application on gnome |
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| 22:59.33 | curtmack | okay, I need help |
| 22:59.43 | curtmack | I tried creating ~/.Xdefaults |
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| 22:59.59 | curtmack | and for some reason my Gnome panels no longer appear |
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| 23:01.02 | curtmack | I deleted it and restarted X, but they still won't appear |
| 23:01.31 | curtmack | anybody know how to fix it? it'd be easy enough to remake them using the panel preferences, but I can't actually open the panel preferences because I don't have the menu |
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| 23:02.37 | martiancode | may be try dpkg-reconfigure Xorg? ... |
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| 23:04.05 | nootoyahora | someone has programmaed paralleo port with ppdev devices? I'm having some trobule.. If osmeone did, I will post a pastebin with the code... |
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| 23:04.49 | curtmack | martiancode: It did nothing. |
| 23:05.01 | Saar | could I just add local etch/updates mirror and leave the http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates line in sources.list and expect if a security update is not yet on the mirror it would try and get it from http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates? |
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| 23:05.30 | curtmack | does anyuone know the command to open the Gnome control panel? |
| 23:05.39 | curtmack | I have xterm open, so I could just run that and we'd be square |
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| 23:06.05 | nootoyahora | curtmack, waht does it mean "to be square"? |
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| 23:06.23 | martiancode | curtmack: may be dpkg-reconfigure gnome-applets ;-) ? |
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| 23:06.50 | curtmack | the funny thing is that when I try to run gnome-panel, it says that a panel is already running |
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| 23:07.18 | martiancode | curtmack: tried ctrl+alt+backspace ? |
| 23:07.24 | martiancode | curtmack: but be ware |
| 23:07.31 | martiancode | curtmack: that will restart X |
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| 23:09.59 | martiancode | curtmack: of course put back the old configuration file instead of the one you've used, and if it works see what did you mess in the one you've created |
| 23:11.04 | martiancode | waiting for Remote closed connection |
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| 23:11.24 | cslater | what is the proper way to build an .deb that touches files belonging to another package? Deliver new versions or edit in place, or... ? |
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| 23:13.45 | dmilith | hi. does anybody know how to deactivate clicking with touchpad on laptop? |
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| 23:14.27 | slowbmw | any good channels for newcomers to linux? |
| 23:14.44 | curtmack | martiancode: I don't have an "old configuration file" |
| 23:14.50 | curtmack | there was no .Xdefaults before I created one |
| 23:15.42 | nootoyahora | someone has programmed parallel port with ppdev devices? I'm having some trouble.. If someone did, I will post a pastebin with the code... |
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| 23:16.33 | martiancode | curtmack: ok just rename it to something that won't be used, and undo any changes you've made, if everything gone back to normal, then make sure you know what you're trying to achieve by creating the .Xdefaults file and try again |
| 23:16.41 | trinux | slowbmw: web forums are often more beneficial to beginners |
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| 23:16.53 | n1kt0 | hiall |
| 23:16.55 | trinux | slowbmw: and some of them have a channel here on freenode |
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| 23:17.49 | n1kt0 | i trying tar xjfv some.tar.bz2 (4.3 net install) & is not working |
| 23:19.09 | alvarezp | what error? |
| 23:19.39 | n1kt0 | not option "j" |
| 23:19.54 | n1kt0 | I'm using default net-install |
| 23:20.07 | alvarezp | install bzip2 |
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| 23:21.12 | n1kt0 | <alvarezp> I'm installed bzip2 & how can I extracting tar.bz2 ? |
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| 23:21.27 | alvarezp | just like that |
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| 23:21.32 | alvarezp | I use xvjf |
| 23:21.47 | n1kt0 | & I need testing list for /etc/apt/source.list |
| 23:22.15 | n1kt0 | give me pls link 2 testing & source |
| 23:23.07 | n1kt0 | don't warry, i am not stupid, I'm run away from gentoo |
| 23:23.47 | n1kt0 | I'm beginner in the GNU/debian |
| 23:25.30 | nootoyahora | someone has programmed parallel port with ppdev devices? I'm having some trouble.. If someone did, I will post a pastebin with the code... |
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| 23:27.30 | cslater | what is the proper way to build an .deb that touches files belonging to another package? Deliver new versions or edit in place, or... ? |
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| 23:31.42 | \amethyst | cslater: perhaps dpkg-divert the other package's version in the preinst? |
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| 23:32.39 | \amethyst | cslater: if it's not a conffile, you could use Replaces: instead |
| 23:33.35 | cslater | Its a php.ini file |
| 23:33.55 | cslater | thinking the way might be to do a site specific php.ini - but I'll look into dpkg-divert as well. Thank you |
| 23:34.41 | \amethyst | cslater: you might be able to use the conf.d directory for your settings instead of php.ini |
| 23:35.04 | \amethyst | cslater: I'm not sure whether conf.d/* override existing settings from php.ini, though |
| 23:35.42 | \amethyst | cslater: hm, maybe conf.d isn't what I was thinking, never mind |
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| 23:41.15 | magyar | hi, is there a way have proftpd auth against a windows ADS? |
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| 23:45.01 | nootoyahora | someone has programmed parallel port with ppdev devices? I'm having some trouble.. If someone did, I will post a pastebin with the code... |
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| 23:45.20 | \amethyst | magyar: have you tried proftpd-mod-ldap ? I don't know how different AD is from ordinary LDAP auth, but it might be worth checking |
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| 23:45.30 | s0n1 | hi |
| 23:45.52 | s0n1 | i compile my kernel 2.6.26 whitch make-kpkg and use HP DL320 |
| 23:46.07 | s0n1 | but don't have drivers, in lspci all unknow device |
| 23:46.14 | wols_ | nootoyahora: this is not ##C |
| 23:46.23 | wols_ | update-pciids |
| 23:46.30 | s0n1 | someone knows have site HP drivers i put kernel |
| 23:46.36 | \amethyst | wols_: that wouldn't be appropriate for ##C anyway... maybe #linux ? |
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| 23:46.57 | JordiGH | What's a good way for my mom to download music? She's using etch. |
| 23:47.07 | wols_ | \amethyst: whatever. but not #debian |
| 23:47.17 | wols_ | JordiGH: firefox browser |
| 23:47.19 | nootoyahora | wols_, it is not about C, it is about linux programming and an API of the kernel.. right? |
| 23:47.30 | wols_ | nootoyahora: it's not about debian suppor |
| 23:47.30 | wols_ | t |
| 23:47.50 | JordiGH | wols_: And where would she search? |
| 23:47.54 | nootoyahora | wols_, point for you man, do |
| 23:48.12 | nootoyahora | wols_, point for you man, do you suggest me ##C and some other channel? |
| 23:48.13 | wols_ | JordiGH: google? |
| 23:48.23 | wols_ | JordiGH: we don't talk copyright infringement here |
| 23:48.30 | wols_ | JordiGH: do you have a debian related question? |
| 23:48.39 | wols_ | nootoyahora: kernelnewbies |
| 23:48.45 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: there is a library libieee1284-3-dev in Debian that might be worth checking out |
| 23:48.57 | nootoyahora | wols_, thanks |
| 23:49.02 | JordiGH | Downloading music isn't necessarily copyright infringement. And yes, I'm asking for a Debian-related tool. There's nicotine, for exaomple, which is packaged for Debian. How do you guys get your music? |
| 23:49.15 | wols_ | !tell JordiGH about search |
| 23:49.21 | wols_ | we go to a record store |
| 23:49.23 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, mmmm I will take a look at it, but I'm not a friend of the use of libraries when there is an API ;D |
| 23:49.29 | JordiGH | wols_: Not all of you go to a record store. |
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| 23:49.46 | wols_ | JordiGH: please stay on topic or use /msg dpkg search |
| 23:49.53 | \amethyst | nootoyahora: but the library's source code would be an example of the API |
| 23:50.07 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, point for you, thanks man :) |
| 23:50.26 | JordiGH | wols_: But what am I searching for? What else besides nicotine is there? |
| 23:50.37 | nootoyahora | wols_, I'm with you about not tal |
| 23:50.47 | \amethyst | JordiGH: you're looking for peer to peer filesharing applications? |
| 23:50.51 | wols_ | JordiGH: any musicplayer that understands streaming |
| 23:50.54 | nootoyahora | is sorry for his keyboard |
| 23:50.56 | JordiGH | p2p? |
| 23:51.47 | nootoyahora | wols_, I'm with you about not talking about any other thing that is not debian, but I might say that in many countries dowloading is not a copyright infirngement, but it is a right of the citizens (not consumers) |
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| 23:52.04 | wols_ | nootoyahora: it doesn't matter |
| 23:52.32 | wols_ | in most parts where debian is distributed it is. software patents are only valid in some countries too, but debian doesn't ship patented software. see mp3 |
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| 23:52.50 | JordiGH | Actually, mp3 seems to play out of the box with Debian, without Marillat. |
| 23:53.00 | \amethyst | but debian does ship some patented software, like mp3 decoders |
| 23:53.07 | wols_ | ther is an exception for decoding. NOT for encoding |
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| 23:53.23 | wols_ | see the mp3 patent exception \amethyst |
| 23:53.25 | nootoyahora | wols_, read with me, I said "I'm with you". I only said that there is a whole world outside the US man... |
| 23:53.39 | wols_ | nootoyahora: read what I said: it does not matter for debian |
| 23:53.39 | JordiGH | I don't think wols_ is in the US. :P |
| 23:53.42 | \amethyst | wols_: what does that have to do with downloading anyway? |
| 23:54.00 | \amethyst | wols_: or did i miss the change in subject? |
| 23:54.01 | wols_ | \amethyst: what hasw downloading to do with debian at all? |
| 23:54.24 | wols_ | and for all "what's the best package, we have !best |
| 23:54.39 | wols_ | if he has a qustion or problem about a specific one: fine |
| 23:54.42 | \amethyst | It sounded like JordiGH was asking about which P2P filesharing clients were available in debian |
| 23:54.46 | wols_ | otherwise it'S !popcon or !best |
| 23:54.56 | wols_ | for that we have search |
| 23:55.00 | wols_ | !search |
| 23:55.00 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 23:55.07 | nootoyahora | \amethyst, he is lost in his speech I think, I agree with him about keeping the channel "debian centric", I only appointed that downloading is not "copyright infringement" in many countries |
| 23:55.42 | nootoyahora | wols_, man, do you see that you're right now answering the question that JordiGH asked? |
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| 23:56.02 | wols_ | sure. point people to factoids is what we do all day |
| 23:56.08 | wols_ | *pointing |
| 23:56.45 | wols_ | we don't tell him what package he should use but we do tell him how he can find for himself what he needs |
| 23:56.55 | nootoyahora | wols_, that's the best help that you (we) can bring to people, teaching them where to read, and how to search... |
| 23:57.04 | zeeble | hi. anyone using XFCE4 here? i sort of messed up the gamma correction in XFCE settings. Can anyone goto Settings - XFCE Settings Manager - Dislay and tel me what the default gamme correction factors are for Green, Blue, REd? |
| 23:57.30 | blameless | 1.00 |
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| 23:57.40 | zeeble | all 3? |
| 23:57.42 | \amethyst | JordiGH: maybe aptitude search '~dpeer[[:space:]-]to[[:space:]-]peer~dshar(e|ing) |
| 23:57.47 | blameless | zeeble: yes, 1.00 for all 3 |
| 23:57.53 | zeeble | thanks, blameless |
| 23:58.11 | \amethyst | JordiGH: oops, I left off the final ' at the end |
| 23:58.42 | zeeble | thanks, blameless .. was weird with the colour changes :) |
| 23:58.57 | \amethyst | JordiGH: that doesn't catch all of them, but at least four or five |
