| 00:00.15 | abrotman | put them iun a pastewbin |
| 00:00.53 | mordy | rhombus - i'm using the german servers for etch - they don't give me problems |
| 00:01.04 | rhombus | abrotman: okay, hang on |
| 00:01.13 | rhombus | getting a capture of aptitude is tricky |
| 00:01.23 | cloakable | rhombus: uk servers here, no problems either |
| 00:01.27 | cafuego | extor: Well, yes in that you can 'dd' the partition and do whatever you want to a copy of it, without affecting the original. |
| 00:01.37 | rhombus | hmn |
| 00:01.43 | karsten | extor: backups |
| 00:02.20 | extor | yeah but I dont need to dd it cuz the partition is mounted read only |
| 00:02.37 | extor | I need to look for filesystem tables, file fragments etc etc |
| 00:03.03 | karsten | extor: dd or dd-rescue (IIRC) |
| 00:03.22 | karsten | extor: If you're looking for reading the device itself and finding stuff. Plus a binary/hex editor. |
| 00:03.29 | rhombus | abrotman: I can't copy this screen output |
| 00:03.46 | extor | ahh ok |
| 00:03.48 | karsten | extor: dd-rescue will work even if there's (some) damage to the physical media itself. |
| 00:03.50 | cafuego | rhombus: screenshot |
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| 00:04.00 | abrotman | use script ? |
| 00:04.00 | rhombus | abrotman: but the error reads "E: Internal error: couldn't generate list of packages to download" |
| 00:04.08 | extor | do these linux tools matche the sexiness and functionality of the windows data recovery proggies? |
| 00:04.19 | karsten | extor: No, but they work ;-) |
| 00:04.23 | rhombus | abrotman: well, aptitude uses curses and I don't think it works with screen or console loggers |
| 00:04.29 | abrotman | i don't use the curses interface |
| 00:04.42 | cafuego | extor: they're written to perform a job, not to look pretty or generate sales. |
| 00:04.45 | jbAU | hrm |
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| 00:05.12 | jbAU | I have an issue when I try to execute a file, it comes up 'not found' "-bash: ./hldsupdatetool.bin: No such file or directory" |
| 00:05.16 | karsten | extor: It's "ddrescue" BTW. |
| 00:05.21 | rhombus | cafuego: where can I post a screenshot? |
| 00:05.29 | karsten | extor: ... package name. Binary is dd_rescue |
| 00:05.34 | jbAU | yet when i create a shell script with #!/bin/bash in the header, it works fine |
| 00:05.46 | rhombus | abrotman: but the error is appearing in aptitude :) |
| 00:05.57 | extor | is it sexy? |
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| 00:06.04 | abrotman | rhombus: at the console .. `aptitude update`1 |
| 00:06.06 | abrotman | rhombus: at the console .. `aptitude update` |
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| 00:06.12 | abrotman | sexy? |
| 00:06.18 | abrotman | who the hell asks about sexy software? |
| 00:06.34 | abrotman | ooh baby .. let me lure you in with my sulty fdisk! |
| 00:06.36 | abrotman | sultry |
| 00:06.43 | cloakable | abrotman: lol |
| 00:06.48 | mordy | lol |
| 00:06.48 | rhombus | abrotman: working |
| 00:07.01 | karsten | abrotman: I'd prefer sulty. Let me lick the sweat off your sulty fdisk. |
| 00:07.12 | karsten | is now tainted for life.... |
| 00:07.14 | rhombus | karsten: maybe you mean salt |
| 00:07.15 | rhombus | salty |
| 00:07.37 | rhombus | abrotman: okay, it hangs at 0% waiting for headers |
| 00:07.45 | rhombus | abrotman: I think this is the problem in general :) |
| 00:07.58 | abrotman | usually you can hit ctrl-c and do it again |
| 00:08.03 | karsten | extor: What sort of problem(s) are you trying to recover from? |
| 00:08.25 | rhombus | abrotman: did that, still hanging... I'm thinking the repository source is not working |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | so pick a new one .. debian.org/mirrors/list |
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| 00:09.15 | rhombus | abrotman: and any mirror URL will work? |
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| 00:09.31 | abrotman | as long as you form it correctly |
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| 00:09.43 | extor | karsten, I deleted some files and then deleted the partition too and created new partition and a new MBR...so I need to scan blank space for an old deleted logical drive and dig around that for files |
| 00:09.58 | rhombus | as in, "deb URL etch main" ? |
| 00:09.58 | abrotman | haha |
| 00:10.10 | abrotman | rhombus: roughly .. man sources.list to find out more |
| 00:11.07 | karsten | extor: dd, ddrescue, and a hex editor. Enjoy. |
| 00:11.30 | abrotman | mondo ? |
| 00:11.42 | extor | I dunno how a hex editor will help me scrape together a deleted avi |
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| 00:11.43 | karsten | extor: Of course, this could be much, much worse. |
| 00:11.51 | abrotman | extor: you'd be surprised |
| 00:11.51 | extor | screams |
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| 00:12.04 | karsten | extor: It might, depends on how fragmented it was. |
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| 00:12.20 | karsten | extor: ... this would be worse if it was _my_ data ;-) |
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| 00:12.31 | extor | :| |
| 00:12.53 | cafuego | rhombus: umm.... good question :-) |
| 00:13.08 | rhombus | cafuego: yeah. |
| 00:13.15 | cafuego | your box run a web server? |
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| 00:13.42 | Aaron__ | hey i have a question i do dpkg --configure -a Starting bluetooth: hcid and it hangs there. and nothing happens any ideas? |
| 00:14.12 | cafuego | rhombus: http://postimage.org/ |
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| 00:14.59 | Aaron__ | any ideas? |
| 00:15.24 | abrotman | it's still starting ? |
| 00:15.30 | cafuego | !any ideas |
| 00:15.31 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of herring, a little thermal paste, and a handful of sex-crazed dairy cows. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 00:15.35 | Aaron__ | nope it does not start cafuego |
| 00:15.39 | Aaron__ | it just freezes in there. |
| 00:15.42 | Aaron__ | and nothing happens |
| 00:16.07 | cafuego | Aaron__: Look at your log files; check the command it runs manually and with debug enabled; etc... |
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| 00:16.17 | DrCurl | hellp |
| 00:16.19 | DrCurl | hello |
| 00:16.24 | Aaron__ | cafuego, how? |
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| 00:17.51 | bumbar | where can i start learning how to secure my debian server if made public? |
| 00:18.12 | DrCurl | I have a server (sarge) on which I accidently type apt-get dist-upgrade instead of apt-get upgrade. I stopped it in the process but it seem broken now. To my knowledge, no packages were installed. apt-get upgrade is not working now |
| 00:18.14 | Aaron__ | bumbar, www.debian.org/doc |
| 00:18.33 | cafuego | bumbar: http://www.amazon.com/Hardening-Linux-James-Turnbull/dp/1590594444 |
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| 00:18.56 | Aaron__ | cafuego, can you help me? |
| 00:19.00 | cafuego | Aaron__: ctrl-c dpkg. Check the init script |
| 00:19.10 | a-atwood | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:19.11 | Aaron__ | i did and it does not respond. |
| 00:19.22 | bumbar | Aaron__: cafuego ok |
| 00:19.25 | Aaron__ | i think it froze |
| 00:19.45 | cafuego | Aaron__: You cna't even switch between terminals? |
| 00:19.52 | Aaron__ | yeah i can cafuego |
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| 00:20.09 | Aaron__ | do i closed the one that is frozen? |
| 00:20.09 | DrCurl | apt-get upgrade says: The package tzdata needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. What should I do now ? |
| 00:21.09 | KineticBug | Brand spanking new debian install, trying to rpm something but it's giving me these failed dependencies, problem is I don't know what they are so I can get them... http://privatepaste.com/140nrPS689 Any help? |
| 00:21.16 | AzMoo | Hey guys, I'm trying to install python-mysqldb, but I want it for python2.5 and it's going to python2.4. Is there a way I can use an updated package, or have I missed the 2.5 version? |
| 00:21.22 | Greyscale | How do you start a mysql server? it seems to have stopped on my machine >> |
| 00:21.27 | Greyscale | What is the magic chant to summon the mysqld |
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| 00:21.39 | cafuego | /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 00:21.41 | Aaron__ | E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. |
| 00:22.09 | Aaron__ | and in starting bluetooth: hcid |
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| 00:22.18 | Aaron__ | it freezes it |
| 00:22.18 | cafuego | Aaron__: So if it hangs on starting bluetooth, the problem is with command in /etc/init.d/bluetooth |
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| 00:22.37 | yEpLA | Daily build #1 for i386, using installer build from sid |
| 00:22.48 | cafuego | Aaron__: Start by adding 'set -x' as the 2nd line of that script and invoking it manually (as root) |
| 00:22.59 | Aaron__ | cafuego, ? |
| 00:23.02 | yEpLA | i download installer for sid and it say me the iso is not the same used by the installer |
| 00:23.05 | rhombus | Okay -- abrotman, here's the error I'm getting: http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVg6M3r |
| 00:23.17 | Aaron__ | cafuego, where do i put that? |
| 00:23.18 | yEpLA | i really don't understand |
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| 00:23.29 | cafuego | Aaron__: the 2nd line of /etc/init.d/bluetooth |
| 00:23.40 | abrotman | rhombus: from the console (not the GUI) .. "aptitude update && apt-get update" |
| 00:23.41 | Aaron__ | ### BEGIN INIT INFO |
| 00:23.43 | Aaron__ | there? |
| 00:23.46 | cafuego | yEpLA: In that case, don't run Sid. Run Etch. |
| 00:24.02 | cafuego | Aaron__: Yup, just on a line by itself, without the quotes. |
| 00:24.17 | rhombus | abrotman: okay, but when i run 'aptitude update', it sits there at 0% |
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| 00:24.27 | Aaron__ | #! /bin/sh |
| 00:24.27 | Aaron__ | ### BEGIN INIT INFO |
| 00:24.27 | Aaron__ | set -x |
| 00:24.29 | yEpLA | cafuego, i have a problem of driver !! |
| 00:24.31 | Aaron__ | something like that cafuego ? |
| 00:24.36 | cafuego | rhombus: Hit 'u' in aptitude or run 'apt-get update'. |
| 00:24.52 | cafuego | yEpLA: If you run Sid, you know how to fix problems. |
| 00:24.58 | rhombus | cafuego: same deal |
| 00:24.59 | cafuego | Aaron__: yup |
| 00:25.06 | Aaron__ | cafuego, now what do i d? |
| 00:25.07 | Aaron__ | *do |
| 00:25.13 | abrotman | rhombus: apt-get update doesn't work either ? |
| 00:25.15 | yEpLA | cafuego, or if you have some problem of driver |
| 00:25.18 | rhombus | abrotman: no |
| 00:25.19 | cafuego | Aaron__: as root run /etc/init.d/bluetooth start |
| 00:25.24 | Greyscale | thanks cafuego :) |
| 00:25.32 | Greyscale | mysql server is up again. yay |
| 00:25.38 | yEpLA | i just don't understand why it doesn't work |
| 00:25.39 | abrotman | rhombus: we're not making this up for our own good .. you should try to run `apt-get update && aptitude update` |
| 00:25.40 | cafuego | Aaron__: it should not spit out a bunch of debug stuff |
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| 00:26.00 | yEpLA | just why he say me using installer build from sid |
| 00:26.02 | Aaron__ | yeah cafuego |
| 00:26.05 | cafuego | Greyscale: nagios and the check_mysql plugin are your friend ;-) |
| 00:26.07 | rhombus | abrotman: i'm not suggesting you're making it up, it's just not working :) |
| 00:26.12 | Aaron__ | cafuego, and now? what? |
| 00:26.19 | abrotman | rhombus: apt-get update didn't work either ? |
| 00:26.22 | cafuego | Aaron__: What is the last line it printed? |
| 00:26.28 | rhombus | abrotman: it gives me exactly the same output |
| 00:26.29 | Aaron__ | + /usr/sbin/hid2hci --tohci |
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| 00:26.46 | cafuego | Aaron__: So that is the command that somehow fails. |
| 00:26.54 | cafuego | Aaron__: ... and hangs. |
| 00:26.59 | Aaron__ | yeah, |
| 00:27.01 | abrotman | rhombus: and you tried changing your sources already? |
| 00:27.06 | Aaron__ | what can i do to fixed it cafuego |
| 00:27.18 | cafuego | Aaron__: Offhand, comment it out in the init script |
| 00:27.22 | rhombus | abrotman: yeah, and even read through 'man sources.list' |
| 00:27.24 | Aaron__ | okey |
| 00:27.26 | cafuego | and rerun 'dpkg --configure -a' |
| 00:27.36 | cafuego | AT least we can fix dpkg, even if bluetooth is being broken. |
| 00:27.42 | rhombus | abrotman: although I could certainly pastebin it for review |
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| 00:27.42 | abrotman | rhombus: it's a bug in aptitude that is usually fixed by 'apt-get update' |
| 00:27.56 | rhombus | abrotman: oh |
| 00:28.08 | Greyscale | cafuego, there was a bug that made it not start on boot like it should when I updated. |
| 00:28.11 | rhombus | abrotman: maybe I should revert to the old URIs and try apt-get update again |
| 00:28.17 | Aaron__ | cafuego, i cannot find it |
| 00:28.19 | cafuego | Greyscale: hmm |
| 00:28.23 | abrotman | rhombus: you could move the files and try an apt-get update |
| 00:28.35 | cafuego | Aaron__: search for hid2hci |
| 00:28.44 | rhombus | abrotman: move sources.list? |
| 00:28.46 | cafuego | Aaron__: the + isn't in the script |
| 00:28.53 | abrotman | rhombus: nope |
| 00:29.04 | rhombus | abrotman: which files do I move? |
| 00:29.04 | Aaron__ | HID2HCI=/usr/sbin/hid2hci |
| 00:29.04 | Aaron__ | HID2HCI_ENABLED=1 |
| 00:29.06 | Aaron__ | that line? |
| 00:29.12 | enouf | rhombus: i came late, but maybe "/msg dpkg sources.list" and maybe your lines are somehow wrong |
| 00:29.30 | cafuego | Aaron__: Actually, change HID2HCI_ENABLED=1 to HID2HCI_ENABLED=0 |
| 00:29.49 | rhombus | enouf: yeah, I tried those, no dice so far |
| 00:29.55 | Aaron__ | okey cafuego and then? |
| 00:30.03 | Aaron__ | what else? |
| 00:30.04 | cafuego | Aaron__: rerun the init script |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | rhombus: you can go to the /var/lib/apt/lists/ folder and remove those files (leave the 'lock' and 'partial' |
| 00:30.25 | enouf | rhombus: is your cdrom drive still listed? did you comment that line out? |
| 00:30.30 | Aaron__ | cafuego, same crap |
| 00:30.33 | Aaron__ | + /usr/sbin/hid2hci --tohci |
| 00:30.34 | rhombus | enouf: yeah |
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| 00:30.48 | enouf | rhombus: you have working net? |
| 00:30.51 | rhombus | abrotman: okay, let me try that -- then I run apt-get update after, correct? |
| 00:30.58 | rhombus | enouf: I'd better, I'm logged in with ssh |
| 00:31.13 | cafuego | Aaron__: grrr |
| 00:31.18 | Aaron__ | yeah |
| 00:31.21 | cafuego | Aaron__: Find the line that starts with "enable_hci_input()" |
| 00:31.22 | Aaron__ | and there's some other lines |
| 00:31.23 | enouf | hrm, is there any possibe http_proxy set? (wild-assed guess) |
| 00:31.26 | Aaron__ | cafuego, can you join #flood? |
| 00:31.42 | abrotman | enouf: the file exists .. but aptitude freaks out reading it |
| 00:31.43 | lontra | what is cups address? localhost:631? |
| 00:31.45 | cafuego | as it turns out, yes |
| 00:31.56 | enouf | abrotman: ok |
| 00:32.01 | rhombus | abrotman: is it safe to remove all these files (except lock and partial) |
| 00:32.09 | Aaron__ | i found it cafuego |
| 00:32.11 | lontra | nevermind |
| 00:32.17 | abrotman | rhombus: if you're scared . move them to /tmp/ |
| 00:32.17 | enouf | lontra: yeah, even add /admin maybe |
| 00:32.44 | Aaron__ | and i put a # in front of it, |
| 00:32.45 | cafuego | Aaron__: Actually, change HID2HCI_ENABLED back to 1. Set it to 0 in /etc/default/bluetooth. |
| 00:32.51 | comp | is there any "security" repository where sandbox can be found? |
| 00:33.04 | cafuego | Aaron__: Remove the # you just added |
| 00:33.21 | Aaron__ | #enable_hci_input() |
| 00:33.25 | Aaron__ | i removed that # ? |
| 00:33.34 | rhombus | abrotman: okay, I moved them, doing apt-get update |
| 00:33.35 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search sandbox ? |
| 00:33.42 | cafuego | yes |
| 00:33.48 | rhombus | abrotman: same deal |
| 00:33.58 | rhombus | abrotman: It sits there waiting for headers |
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| 00:34.03 | Aaron__ | cafuego, now what? |
| 00:34.07 | abrotman | rhombus: with both aptitude and apt-get ? |
| 00:34.30 | rhombus | abrotman: either one |
| 00:34.34 | cafuego | Aaron__: Did you edit /etc/default/bluetooth? |
| 00:34.40 | Aaron__ | yes i put a 0 there |
| 00:34.46 | cafuego | Rerun the init script |
| 00:34.50 | Aaron__ | BLUETOOTH_ENABLED=0 |
| 00:34.52 | comp | enouf: same result as with aptitude - nothing |
| 00:34.56 | Aaron__ | bash: start: command not found |
| 00:35.02 | Aaron__ | last line of the script |
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| 00:35.05 | cafuego | fingerdrums |
| 00:35.12 | BrahmsC | what makes the strenght of debian ? |
| 00:35.16 | enouf | comp: ? i get tons of results |
| 00:35.22 | comp | ugh |
| 00:35.28 | Aaron__ | is that okey cafuego ? |
| 00:35.29 | abrotman | rhombus: try "debian.mirror.rafal.ca" instead of ftp.ca.debian.org |
| 00:35.32 | cafuego | Aaron__: no |
| 00:35.32 | enouf | comp: search on packages.debian.org |
| 00:35.37 | rhombus | abrotman: oka |
| 00:35.38 | comp | okay |
| 00:35.39 | rhombus | okay |
| 00:35.39 | abrotman | BrahmsC: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 00:35.41 | Aaron__ | hmmmm so what can i do? |
| 00:35.42 | cafuego | Aaron__: /etc/init.d/bluetooth start |
| 00:36.00 | BrahmsC | abrotman: thank you |
| 00:36.03 | comp | enouf: I get 15 packages ... but no "sandbox-" |
| 00:36.03 | Aaron__ | i did + exit 0 |
| 00:36.10 | cafuego | Aaron__: That's good. |
| 00:36.14 | comp | but I'll try a few other mirrors |
| 00:36.15 | Aaron__ | okey |
| 00:36.16 | cafuego | Aaron__: Remove the 'set -x' from the file |
| 00:36.17 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:36.19 | Aaron__ | now is updating so that's cool |
| 00:36.22 | enouf | comp: well, right, nothing named exactly that - no idea then |
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| 00:36.45 | Aaron__ | Starting bluetooth: disabled. see /etc/default/bluetooth. |
| 00:36.46 | xserverx | how can I make ftp relation to any folder in my server with user and password? |
| 00:36.51 | rixth | How do I update just a single package to sid? |
| 00:36.54 | cafuego | Aaron__: ... and that's the package manager sort now. |
| 00:36.57 | enouf | bbiab |
| 00:37.01 | cafuego | rixth: backport |
| 00:37.02 | Aaron__ | yeah is fixed that's cool |
| 00:37.22 | cafuego | Aaron__: As for why bluetooth isn't working, you'll need to find a bluetooth expert :-) |
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| 00:37.53 | rhombus | abrotman: same difference |
| 00:37.57 | Aaron__ | can it be the package? |
| 00:37.58 | Aaron__ | that's broken |
| 00:38.00 | Aaron__ | ? |
| 00:38.07 | abrotman | rhombus: you sure there's no proxy ? |
| 00:38.07 | rhombus | abrotman: would you be interested in seeing the stack trace? |
| 00:38.28 | rhombus | abrotman: well, the machine is behind a firewall, but I'm not aware of any proxy, no |
| 00:38.37 | rhombus | abrotman: and this did work at one time |
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| 00:38.58 | StyXman | hi all. I'm runnid debian sid recently updated (today) and most X apps show broken fonts/images. everything that uses anything more complex than xlibs shows like this: http://grulicueva.homelinux.net/~mdione/gallerpy/index.py/pictures/sshots/bmp-borked_list.png |
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| 00:39.19 | abrotman | rhombus: you could try a strace .. not sure it would help much .. does the system have wget installed ? |
| 00:39.21 | StyXman | (there you can see kate, gkrellm, kicker and xterm). any hints? |
| 00:39.43 | cafuego | Aaron__: I doubt it |
| 00:39.48 | abrotman | rhombus: cd /tmp/ && wget http://debian.mirror.rafal.ca/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
| 00:40.00 | Aaron__ | interesting |
| 00:40.08 | StyXman | rhombus: you might be behind a transproxy |
| 00:40.17 | newsense | whats the simplest way to login to my current x installation remotely ? |
| 00:40.23 | rhombus | abrotman: i'll try that -- while I do that, check this out: http://pastebin.ca/1073922 |
| 00:40.34 | newsense | from windows that is |
| 00:40.52 | StyXman | newsense: install any *dm, turn on xdmcp, and do a X -query remote in the client |
| 00:40.56 | cafuego | Can I point out quickbooks is possibly THE most shit proprietary software ever made? |
| 00:41.04 | jberg | what the hell. apt cant find b43-fwcutter.. i've added contrib in sources.list, do i need to do something so apt "updates" it or something? |
| 00:41.06 | abrotman | rhombus: you're getting a failure notice |
| 00:41.09 | rhombus | yeah |
| 00:41.15 | abrotman | cafuego: have you used MS CRM? :) |
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| 00:41.20 | rhombus | okay, the wget isn't working either |
| 00:41.24 | StyXman | windows? I don't know any free X11 client for windows. then vnc might help you |
| 00:41.24 | abrotman | jberg: etch ? |
| 00:41.26 | newsense | StyXman, cool thanx |
| 00:41.29 | jberg | abrotman: lenny |
| 00:41.29 | abrotman | rhombus: http proxy |
| 00:41.35 | rhombus | oh |
| 00:41.37 | rhombus | no, now it's going |
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| 00:41.39 | abrotman | !beer enough # if the bot didn't hate me |
| 00:41.41 | rhombus | but SUPER slow |
| 00:41.42 | cafuego | jberg: Just grab tyhe firmware: http://ubuntu.cafuego.net/pool/hardy-cafuego/broadcom/b43-firmware_1.0-0cafuego0_all.deb |
| 00:41.43 | abrotman | oh .. maybe not |
| 00:41.46 | rhombus | I think I need to reboot the firewall |
| 00:41.48 | abrotman | takes enouf's beer |
| 00:42.09 | cafuego | abrotman: See, the "use" step. I'm not even getting that far. |
| 00:42.22 | jberg | cafuego: hmm ok. but why cant apt find that package? what is broken? and how/where do i download that deb-file and install it? |
| 00:42.25 | newsense | StyXman, was hoping it wouldnt come to that, heard too many people in here with problems using vnc |
| 00:42.26 | tyler | can someone tell me where the php binary is installed to, i cant seem to find it? |
| 00:42.29 | abrotman | cafuego: i'm with you .. QB sucks rocks |
| 00:42.36 | rixth | cafuego, I am following what dpkg has told me, but I get 'E: Build-Depends dependency for php5 cannot be satisfied because the package libdb4.6-dev cannot be found' |
| 00:42.37 | abrotman | tyler: did you install php5-cli ? |
| 00:42.40 | cafuego | abrotman: A patch tells me the software needs to be activated. However, there is no activation option. |
| 00:42.45 | tyler | ah no probably not, abrotman |
| 00:42.49 | tyler | i imagine thatd be it? |
| 00:42.56 | StyXman | newsense: see if you can find any goog X11 client for windows |
| 00:43.04 | rixth | cafuego, in my sources.list, I have a deb line for etch, and a deb-src line for sid |
| 00:43.04 | StyXman | I remember a couple from the last century |
| 00:43.12 | newsense | lol |
| 00:43.21 | cafuego | rixth: Hmmyeah, that's prolly only in Sid. Just change that depend in the control file to thew newest libdb4X-dev you have. |
| 00:43.33 | tyler | abrotman: only installed libapache2-mod-php5, php5-gd, php5-mysql, and php5-pgsql |
| 00:43.39 | abrotman | cafuego: i think it's in help/about .. or under the file menu ... if i were at work i could tell you more |
| 00:43.41 | tyler | and obviously any dependancies of those |
| 00:43.46 | rixth | cafuego, how do I do that? |
| 00:43.47 | newsense | StyXman, for vnc what windows client do you recommend ? |
| 00:43.48 | StyXman | has a weird feeling everytime he remember he's from the last century |
| 00:43.48 | tyler | so php5-cli would do the trick? |
| 00:43.53 | cafuego | abrotman: Yeah, been though those. And no :-) |
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| 00:44.16 | tyler | there we go, abrotman :) |
| 00:44.17 | tyler | thanks@ |
| 00:44.23 | StyXman | newsense: no idea, I ahven't touched windows for any serious purpose besiudes putty'ing into a linux server for years |
| 00:44.29 | cafuego | rixth: edit debian/control |
| 00:44.37 | cafuego | rixth: Find the Build-Depends line |
| 00:44.45 | rixth | WHere is that file, though? |
| 00:45.01 | cafuego | rixth: Change 'libdb4.6-dev' to 'libdb4.4-dev' |
| 00:45.05 | cafuego | rixth: debian/control |
| 00:45.07 | rixth | WHere is that file, though? I got that message when issuing 'apt-get build-dep libapache2-mod-php5' |
| 00:45.15 | cafuego | rixth: It's a file called control in a dir called debian |
| 00:45.19 | cafuego | do keep up ;-) |
| 00:45.34 | newsense | StyXman, i might just dl a live cd cause i dont like to use windows either, slower than hell |
| 00:45.36 | cafuego | rixth: in the php5 source tree |
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| 00:46.06 | cafuego | rixth: I assume you already did 'apt-get source php5' right? |
| 00:46.31 | rixth | cafuego, no, that's not what dpkg said to do |
| 00:46.40 | cafuego | dpkg often lies |
| 00:46.41 | dpkg | cafuego: bugger all, i dunno |
| 00:46.43 | cafuego | Just grab it |
| 00:46.48 | cafuego | rixth: see? ;-) |
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| 00:47.04 | xserverx | how can I create an ftp account on my server ??? |
| 00:47.09 | rixth | hehe |
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| 00:47.27 | AcTiVaTe | Got an ftp server? |
| 00:47.39 | xserverx | I have it |
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| 00:47.45 | xserverx | pure-ftpd |
| 00:48.20 | AcTiVaTe | if it takes users from /etc/passwd you should be able to log in with your current account |
| 00:48.48 | StyXman | newsense: if you have a usb stick, live usb images are faster than lice cd's |
| 00:49.04 | jberg | ok, i got the b43-fwcutter, i just had to do apt-get update, duh :) but now what? is there some documentation telling me what to do? |
| 00:49.08 | cafuego | and far less itchy too |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | wonders where rhombus went |
| 00:49.18 | cafuego | jberg: Run it |
| 00:49.29 | abrotman | jberg: oddly .. /usr/share/doc/b43-cutter/ |
| 00:49.30 | cafuego | jberg: As per /usr/share/doc/b43-cutter/ :-) |
| 00:49.35 | jberg | oh ok, thanks |
| 00:49.47 | abrotman | THEY HIDE THE DOCS! |
| 00:49.49 | cafuego | Of course, if you'd fetched my firmware you'd be done now and actually using the wireless. |
| 00:50.01 | enouf | abrotman: he fell into my non-existant beer? |
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| 00:50.06 | abrotman | cafuego: keep your pants on |
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| 00:50.11 | rixth | cafuego, I ran 'apt-get source libapache2-mod-php5' then edited debian/control in that directory, ran 'apt-get build-dep libapache2-mod-php5' and still got the same message |
| 00:50.14 | abrotman | enouf: he thinks ti's his firewall |
| 00:50.20 | enouf | i see |
| 00:50.22 | cafuego | abrotman: keep? they're not on to begin with |
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| 00:50.33 | xserverx | AcTiVaTe: when I add user I have by default /home/user how can I change document root for this user from /home/user to /mnt/hdd1?? |
| 00:50.41 | abrotman | cafuego: isn't it winter down there? |
| 00:50.46 | cafuego | rixth: Yup, as it's fetching the build-dep from the pakage list. Sucky, but there you go. |
| 00:50.56 | StyXman | xserverx: DocRoot or home? |
| 00:50.57 | cafuego | abrotman: we have heating and shit, very 19th century ;-) |
| 00:50.59 | enouf | abrotman: yeah, if for some reason he's getting dialup speeds or worse, he should just wait out the '... getting headers .. ' |
| 00:51.11 | rixth | cafuego, well, what is the next step? |
| 00:51.14 | cafuego | rixth: Run 'fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b' |
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| 00:51.23 | cafuego | rixth: ... in the source tree. |
| 00:51.30 | abrotman | cafuego: obviously .. if it were 20th century .. you'd shit outside |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | runs |
| 00:51.34 | enouf | install fakeroot :-) |
| 00:51.37 | xserverx | StyXman : home |
| 00:51.47 | cafuego | rixth: That will use the debs in the file you edited. There *may* still be other deps... it'll tell you. |
| 00:51.57 | StyXman | xserverx: see usermod manpage |
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| 00:52.17 | StyXman | xserverx: just be sure that's what you want |
| 00:52.18 | xserverx | StyXman :not apache |
| 00:52.26 | StyXman | xserverx: ... apache? |
| 00:52.32 | xserverx | StyXman: no |
| 00:52.34 | xserverx | ftp |
| 00:52.40 | StyXman | no what? |
| 00:52.42 | StyXman | ahhh! |
| 00:52.56 | xserverx | when I login to ftp I have /home/user |
| 00:53.07 | StyXman | xserverx: so you mean the dir the user gets when he logins thru ftp |
| 00:53.12 | xserverx | I want to change this path to /mnt/hdd1 |
| 00:53.21 | StyXman | hmm, that depends on the ftp server |
| 00:53.23 | xserverx | yes |
| 00:53.29 | xserverx | how ? |
| 00:53.31 | StyXman | some lets you do that, some not |
| 00:53.33 | jberg | but the documentation for b43-fwcutter says i should run it and then copy the files to /lib/firmware/b43{-legacy} but i think apt downloaded and did that already, because it asked and both of those directories exist |
| 00:53.37 | StyXman | dunno which, tho |
| 00:53.44 | jberg | but it doesnt tell me what to do now.. |
| 00:54.07 | xserverx | there are some ftp server conf file for change the path ? |
| 00:54.08 | StyXman | xserverx: sorry, I just don't remember |
| 00:54.16 | rixth | cafuego, http://pastebin.ca/1073935 that is A LOT of things missing... |
| 00:54.18 | enouf | jion: you have wireless-tools pkg installed? |
| 00:54.22 | enouf | er |
| 00:54.26 | StyXman | xserverx: /etc/<ftp_server_name>.conf, mostly |
| 00:54.27 | enouf | jberg: you have wireless-tools pkg installed? |
| 00:54.28 | abrotman | rhombus: ? |
| 00:54.33 | StyXman | xserverx: see your ftp server doc |
| 00:54.36 | rhombus | abrotman: yeah? |
| 00:54.39 | xserverx | ok |
| 00:54.42 | xserverx | let me try |
| 00:54.42 | abrotman | rhombus: working better? |
| 00:54.43 | enouf | heh |
| 00:54.50 | cafuego | rixth: That seem to be crashing firefox |
| 00:54.55 | rhombus | abrotman: no... the connections are very slow |
| 00:55.04 | rhombus | abrotman: I rebooted the firewall, it made no difference |
| 00:55.07 | abrotman | rhombus: just for apt? or all http connections ? |
| 00:55.23 | cafuego | rixth: Yup. So now you manually add those depends. Pik the most likely looking package if there is a choice. |
| 00:55.23 | StyXman | rhombus: a very loaded mirror? |
| 00:55.24 | jberg | enouf: hmm probably not, ill try and install them |
| 00:55.26 | rixth | cafuego, http://pastebin.com/m7c213d24 |
| 00:55.29 | rhombus | abrotman: well, I'm using wget but I haven't tried anything other than a couple of debian servers |
| 00:55.38 | enouf | rhombus: start d/l a kernel from kernel.org using wget to test ;-) |
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| 00:55.50 | enouf | jberg: yes, handy for wifi |
| 00:55.51 | cafuego | rixth: .. if a correct version isn't available, change the required version number in the control file. |
| 00:56.00 | rixth | cafuego, aight, thank you |
| 00:56.05 | cafuego | rixth: Rinse and repeat until it doesn't whine about depends. |
| 00:56.10 | rhombus | abrotman: I'm trying to log into another machine on the same subnet to see if it's a network problem |
| 00:56.14 | rhombus | enouf: okay :) |
| 00:56.18 | abrotman | rhombus: good plan |
| 00:56.25 | AzMoo | Is there a way I can find what package provides a file? I need "sasl.h" to install python-ldap into python2.5 but I can't find it. |
| 00:56.26 | cafuego | rixth: ... and welcome to the wonderful world of backporting ;-) |
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| 00:56.36 | jberg | enouf: i think i have them, apt didnt install them anyways so theyre probably installed |
| 00:56.38 | avu | AzMoo, apt-file |
| 00:56.39 | brunop4 | hi |
| 00:56.39 | cafuego | AzMoo: apt-file |
| 00:56.43 | AzMoo | cheers |
| 00:56.45 | enouf | jberg: then you get iwconfig/iwscan/iwlist, etc .. after that, comes the wpasupplicant stuffs, but get it working without it maybe first |
| 00:56.48 | cafuego | prolly libsasl2-dev or somesuch |
| 00:56.48 | avu | AzMoo, or http://packages.debian.org |
| 00:56.51 | rixth | I'm suprised there are not debs for php5 that are already backported |
| 00:56.56 | enouf | jberg: dpkg -l wireless-tools |
| 00:56.57 | jberg | but after the firmware thing, should i do modprobe -r b43; modprobe b43 or somethig? |
| 00:57.25 | cafuego | rixth: I find the php4 in etch works sufficiently well that i don't need a backport. |
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| 00:57.47 | enouf | jberg: something - i don't use wifi, but dpkg has quite a few factoids about it |
| 00:57.48 | rixth | I'm using the Zend Framework, requires 5.2, preferably the latest |
| 00:57.56 | cafuego | rixth: Plus that gets me automated security updates, as opposed to needing to backport each time the sid version updates. |
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| 00:58.09 | jberg | enouf: hmm i didnt understand the output of dpkg -l |
| 00:58.13 | enouf | jberg: the dpkg bot here, in channel |
| 00:58.14 | cafuego | rixth: 5.2.0-8+etch11 |
| 00:58.24 | enouf | jberg: see ii ? |
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| 00:58.35 | cafuego | rixth: That's what etch has... so it should work. (I meant php5, not php4) |
| 00:58.35 | jberg | yes |
| 00:58.40 | rixth | Yeah, "Although Zend Framework will function correctly with the PHP version mentioned above, you are strongly recommended to use PHP 5.2.3 or later. There are important security and performance improvements available in the newer version of PHP. " |
| 00:58.48 | enouf | jberg: last line .. ii means installed ok |
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| 00:59.14 | cafuego | rixth: Yeah, thing is, debian ports such security fixes without modifying the version. |
| 00:59.23 | enouf | !tell jberg -about grounding |
| 00:59.26 | cafuego | rixth: So they're probably *in* 5.2.0-8 |
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| 00:59.36 | enouf | jberg: just kind of make note of that - for later maybe |
| 00:59.38 | rixth | cafuego, oh. in which case, nuts to doing this backport |
| 00:59.39 | jberg | enouf: oh hey. suddenly i get a list of wireless networks in gnome |
| 00:59.44 | enouf | heh |
| 00:59.52 | jberg | i think apt-get install b43-fwcutter did it |
| 00:59.55 | dryrot | hi anyone use FAI ? i can't get the gpg key of the fai repo correctly imported, anyone else manage to do that ? |
| 00:59.57 | cafuego | rixth: I'd try zend framework first. Should it suck, do the backport. otherwise, enjoy. |
| 01:00.02 | jberg | did everything i mean, i just didnt notice |
| 01:00.03 | StyXman | damn me |
| 01:00.14 | cafuego | StyXman: ok |
| 01:00.15 | rixth | cafuego, if I go from a bare box, and apt-get install apache2 and libapache2-mod-php5 the server should be reasonably secure, provided I choose good passwords? |
| 01:00.19 | cafuego | StyXman: damn you |
| 01:00.24 | brunop4 | I know its out of subject, but I need an english man to solve a problem... |
| 01:00.28 | cafuego | rixth: No. |
| 01:00.30 | StyXman | hi all. I'm runnid debian sid recently updated (today) and most X apps show broken fonts/images. everything that uses anything more complex than xlibs shows like this: |
| 01:00.41 | cafuego | rixth: I'd add php5-suhosin at a minimum. |
| 01:00.42 | StyXman | http://grulicueva.homelinux.net/~mdione/gallerpy/index.py/pictures/sshots/broken.png |
| 01:00.57 | rixth | cafuego, is there a basic guide you follow for sever security? |
| 01:00.59 | silfeed | wtf brunop4 |
| 01:01.20 | brunop4 | silfeed : STFU wanker |
| 01:01.28 | abrotman | brunop4: try #english |
| 01:01.31 | rixth | cafuego, say I didn't install php, would it be alright? Essentially I don't need anything mega strong, I just need to take reasonable procautions |
| 01:01.31 | enouf | rixth: well, debian has a pkg called harden-doc you could instal and read |
| 01:01.33 | jberg | yep it works :-) so apt worked everything out for me. thanks everybody :) |
| 01:01.36 | rixth | Okay |
| 01:01.37 | cafuego | rixth: I don't really follow a guide.. just know what to check for from experience. |
| 01:02.09 | rhombus | abrotman: it looks like a network problem after all |
| 01:02.14 | cafuego | rixth: php should be fine, the problem is usually outdated web apps full of holes :-) |
| 01:02.15 | brunop4 | abrotman : thx |
| 01:02.18 | abrotman | rhombus: i blame the beer |
| 01:02.25 | rixth | cafuego, okay, thanks a lot for all your help, I really appreciate it |
| 01:02.29 | rhombus | abrotman: don't know whether it's on the inside or outside, but I'll have to do some investigating |
| 01:02.39 | rhombus | abrotman: I suspect the cheap switch :) |
| 01:02.40 | cafuego | rixth: np |
| 01:02.46 | abrotman | rhombus: tis possible |
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| 01:02.52 | rhombus | abrotman: beer enhances performance |
| 01:03.18 | rtrfix | is there a way to make a mount point /blah actually a network drive some way? via ftp etc? |
| 01:03.18 | enouf | rixth: obviously don't allow any non-needed services to run from bootup - "/msg dpkg rcconf" and man update-rc.d and see debian-administration.org |
| 01:03.31 | rixth | enouf, thank you! |
| 01:03.35 | abrotman | rhombus: i tried to give my CPU beer .. no workie |
| 01:03.49 | enouf | np |
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| 01:04.05 | rtrfix | rixth: hey |
| 01:04.10 | rhombus | abrotman: it was not hot enough then |
| 01:04.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 01:04.18 | rixth | rtrfix, yo |
| 01:04.22 | rtrfix | your name is confusing |
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| 01:04.38 | rixth | Why thankyou |
| 01:04.44 | jberg | now, any reason the terminal in gnome (on a fresh lenny install) would lag? |
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| 01:04.57 | abrotman | rtrfix: nfs shares ? |
| 01:04.59 | jberg | when i type stuff it lags, weird |
| 01:05.07 | AcTiVaTe | rtrfix: mount <host>:<path> <local path> should work for NFS and mount //<host>/<path> <localpath> for smb/cifs shares |
| 01:05.34 | rtrfix | ah.. |
| 01:06.16 | abrotman | AcTiVaTe: i think he wants to share it ? |
| 01:06.41 | rtrfix | I want to access remote files as if they're local |
| 01:07.25 | AcTiVaTe | What kind of machine are the remote files on? |
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| 01:07.50 | abrotman | rtrfix: nfs or samba |
| 01:11.52 | rtrfix | and if /nfs1 is full I want to automatically use /nfs2 |
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| 01:11.56 | rtrfix | transparently |
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| 01:12.49 | rtrfix | so /nfs - > /fns1, nfs2, or nfs3 |
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| 01:14.06 | rtrfix | looks at abrotman |
| 01:14.22 | abrotman | who what cows? |
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| 01:15.13 | cafuego | abrotman: Turns out you can't activate it unless you set up a company first. Even if you need no company and need to patch first to open your old company files. |
| 01:15.21 | cafuego | abrotman: Did i mention quickbooks sucks ass? |
| 01:15.52 | abrotman | cafuego: try MS CRM :) |
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| 01:17.13 | cafuego | abrotman: I have a client who uses that; I set it up for them via a 128Kb DSL link. |
| 01:17.31 | cafuego | beats abrotman with a week old ciabatta |
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| 01:18.19 | abrotman | cafuego: you're a bad bad man |
| 01:18.23 | simonrvn | sprays water on the ciabatta and watches it go soggy |
| 01:18.54 | cafuego | abrotman: I'd be *really* bad if I inserted it instead |
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| 01:19.15 | simonrvn | yes he would |
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| 01:22.41 | tyler | has that ssl flaw been correct long ago or? |
| 01:22.49 | tyler | im using 4.0 stable (Etch) |
| 01:23.03 | simonrvn | if you updated, you're ok |
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| 01:23.18 | tyler | k |
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| 01:23.26 | cafuego | tyler: security.debian.org -> subscribe to the mailing list. |
| 01:23.33 | tyler | ah awesome, thanks |
| 01:23.55 | abrotman | still in the topic ? |
| 01:24.00 | simonrvn | d-s-a \o/ |
| 01:24.04 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 01:24.22 | simonrvn | openssl vulnerability: /msg dpkg dsa1571 | 4.0r3 released /msg dpkg etch | |
| 01:24.35 | tvynr | Hello, all. I've installed the python-cairo package under Debian and I can't "import cairo" from within Python. Any guesses as to why? I did notice that there's no __init__.py in /usr/lib/python*/cairo/ |
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| 01:25.17 | cafuego | "God dag, Fuck beer! Got sexy girl? Click here!" |
| 01:25.27 | cafuego | Spam is getting classier by the day. |
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| 01:25.52 | abrotman | cafuego: they're just talking at your level :) |
| 01:26.25 | cafuego | hmpf |
| 01:26.40 | rixth | cafuego, should I disable identd? |
| 01:27.06 | cafuego | rixth: Are you using it for anything? |
| 01:27.37 | rixth | cafuego, nope, it was enabled in /etc/inetd.conf all this server is for is www, and ssh. It also sends mail |
| 01:27.45 | cafuego | Turn it off thn. |
| 01:27.51 | simonrvn | disable it then |
| 01:27.55 | cafuego | If not used, not enabled and preferably not installed. |
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| 01:28.18 | simonrvn | concurs |
| 01:28.24 | cafuego | rixth: For ssh, use key auth and I can suggest fail2ban as well. |
| 01:28.51 | rixth | If I am using keyauth, would I even have a root password? |
| 01:28.57 | cafuego | rixth: though an ssh firewall rule skipping fail2ban for a static IP only you can access from might be nice :-) |
| 01:29.16 | cafuego | rixth: of course |
| 01:29.24 | cafuego | rixth: You'd still need that for 'su'. |
| 01:29.47 | rixth | Then why use keyauth? I am confused |
| 01:29.49 | simonrvn | knockd, fail2ban, denyhosts, funky ipdatbles rules, ... |
| 01:29.59 | simonrvn | iptables* |
| 01:30.31 | cafuego | rixth: keyauth means people trying passwords never get in |
| 01:30.53 | rixth | Doesn't that also mean if I lose my key, I am screwed? |
| 01:30.54 | cafuego | rixth: And believe me, if ssh is open people *will* try passwords |
| 01:31.04 | cafuego | rixth: Yes, so don't lose your key :-) |
| 01:31.38 | rixth | cafuego, what about using denyhosts, moving SSHd to a non-standard port, and having a very long (30ish) character password? |
| 01:32.34 | simonrvn | fail2ban nor denyhosts haven't been of much use to me since i did the "move to non-standard port" thing... |
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| 01:33.08 | rixth | So at the very least, I should do that (non-standard port)? |
| 01:33.08 | simonrvn | you could do all of the above, you know ;) |
| 01:33.15 | cmdln | evening |
| 01:33.23 | cmdln | Where are tasks defined? |
| 01:33.53 | cmdln | I want to edit or create a new task for ease of a custom install on a bunch of machines. |
| 01:34.05 | simonrvn | good strong key, changing port, using those blocking apps, using iptables,... layering is always a good option |
| 01:34.13 | rixth | Okay |
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| 01:35.33 | abrotman | cmdln: /usr/share/tasksel/ ... i think |
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| 01:37.48 | simonrvn | mm, peanut butter, the snack of tasty goodness |
| 01:38.18 | keanu | how can I get Ctrl+Q to be passed to a program in a daemonized screen? |
| 01:40.02 | dryrot | cafuego: you could painfully install port knocking |
| 01:40.09 | simonrvn | you'd need to unset ^q in the term for it to get past the shell |
| 01:40.14 | simonrvn | dryrot: knockd |
| 01:42.42 | \amethyst | stty -ixon |
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| 01:42.58 | cmdln | mmm still cant find where packages are defined for a task |
| 01:43.04 | simonrvn | \amethyst++ |
| 01:43.07 | cmdln | I can list them |
| 01:43.15 | cmdln | just cant find where that list comes from |
| 01:43.59 | abrotman | cmdln: there's nothing in /usr/share/tasksel/ ? |
| 01:44.08 | abrotman | on my system there's a file that describes tasks |
| 01:44.15 | cmdln | there is a file that descrinbes tasks |
| 01:44.23 | cmdln | but where are the package definitions? |
| 01:44.34 | abrotman | they're in there |
| 01:44.37 | tengulre | why the website of debian is too old ? |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | tengulre: wrong channel |
| 01:44.47 | tengulre | why not updated it? |
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| 01:44.54 | tengulre | abrotman: noep, |
| 01:44.57 | abrotman | tengulre: write a new one .. donate it |
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| 01:45.05 | tengulre | ;( |
| 01:45.09 | cmdln | Packages: task-fields |
| 01:45.12 | simonrvn | tengulre: this isn't #debian-website or #debian-bts |
| 01:45.29 | abrotman | cmdln: if you look at "database-server" it has a description |
| 01:45.51 | tengulre | anybody here using virtual ethernet (tun/tap) here? |
| 01:45.51 | simonrvn | ugh, aol search hit... |
| 01:46.07 | tengulre | how to auto loading the tun module when booting time. |
| 01:46.45 | tengulre | I wrote alias tun0 tun in /etc/modules.conf but still not loading . |
| 01:47.03 | cafuego | tengulre: 'tun' on a line by itself in /etc/modules |
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| 01:48.02 | tengulre | why version 4.0 of debian is too fat? when I download that need 4 disck image? |
| 01:48.05 | tengulre | ;( |
| 01:48.17 | cafuego | tengulre: You don't. Just use the netinst iso. |
| 01:48.56 | tengulre | what's different debian 4.0 and ubuntu-server dist version? |
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| 01:49.04 | abrotman | tengulre: ask #ubuntu |
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| 01:53.11 | keanu | simonrvn, how do i do that (unset ^q) |
| 01:54.32 | \amethyst | keanu: stty -ixon |
| 01:55.31 | yEpLA | i have runing testing on my computer but the network driver is not integrated :( |
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| 01:56.07 | yEpLA | but i have found the source driver |
| 01:56.30 | yEpLA | is it possible to integrated the driver to the usb installer ? |
| 01:57.27 | yEpLA | if i compile it on an other box its possible ? |
| 01:57.58 | keanu | \amethyst, thanks. is it safe to add that to .bash_profile, or could that cause problems? |
| 02:00.12 | \amethyst | keanu: I suspect it would only cause problems with ancient hardware terminals, or if you like using ctrl-s to pause your terminal output |
| 02:00.42 | \amethyst | keanu: however, .bash_profile isn't the right place for it---it needs to run once for each terminal that bash is running in |
| 02:01.05 | Decepticon | how do i load my wifi driver? i should see a 1 in the second column of "lsmod | grep rt61" yes? |
| 02:01.13 | Decepticon | i am following this guide http://www.physics.nmt.edu/~rsonnenf/linuxcontrib/ralink-2561-rt61/ |
| 02:01.28 | keanu | \amethyst, ok, where would be a better place? |
| 02:01.43 | Decepticon | im on the cleanup config section, the area where it says to "Now logon as root and check the driver loads: " |
| 02:02.03 | \amethyst | keanu: maybe in your .bashrc put [ -t 0 ] && stty -ixon |
| 02:02.10 | Decepticon | im not getting a mac address from the wifi card when i do ifconfig ra0 |
| 02:02.13 | keanu | ok, thanks |
| 02:02.22 | \amethyst | keanu: the [ -t 0 ] && makes it only run if file descriptor 0 (stdin) is a terminal |
| 02:02.35 | keanu | \amethyst, ok |
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| 02:03.41 | keanu | \amethyst, it works, thanks |
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| 02:03.43 | xelapond | I am having trouble getting firefox to run |
| 02:03.56 | xelapond | I apted iceweasel |
| 02:04.10 | xelapond | and when I run iceweasel on a terminal nothing happens |
| 02:04.34 | xelapond | wait, when I sudo it it works |
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| 02:05.22 | xelapond | so it just exits when I run it as user alex, but when I sudo it it runs fine |
| 02:05.24 | HarpyFiend | hey guys |
| 02:05.30 | yEpLA | the kernel header and all tool to compile are on cd 1 ? |
| 02:05.32 | HarpyFiend | i bought this new debian dildo |
| 02:05.39 | HarpyFiend | but it won't fit inside my sexual partner |
| 02:05.44 | HarpyFiend | it's too big |
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| 02:05.54 | kittonian | hi all |
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| 02:06.18 | kittonian | both the qmail and courier channels have no one around. was wondering if anyone here might be able to answer a courier-imap question |
| 02:06.31 | abrotman | blames qmail |
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| 02:07.50 | cmdln | heh i used to run qmail |
| 02:09.05 | kittonian | i'm just trying to figure out why I have no problem logging in on my LAN but when I go remote, I cannot connect to my IMAP server |
| 02:09.12 | kittonian | it's almost like it's blocking remote access |
| 02:09.20 | kittonian | works flawlessly inside the LAN |
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| 02:10.04 | AcTiVaTe | kittonian: Sounds like you have a firewall running. Check it with iptables -L |
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| 02:10.46 | AcTiVaTe | if the machine connecting to the internet is a hardware router, check the webinterface or something instead |
| 02:11.11 | cmdln | yeah you might need to do a port redirect if thats the case |
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| 02:12.53 | kittonian | AcTiVate: I do have a firewall running. what ports do I need to enable? |
| 02:13.14 | kittonian | is ti just 143? |
| 02:13.15 | cmdln | 143 |
| 02:13.16 | kittonian | *it |
| 02:13.21 | kittonian | ok, let me check |
| 02:13.28 | cmdln | 9xx something if its ssl |
| 02:13.32 | AcTiVaTe | 143 and/or 993 |
| 02:13.53 | cmdln | yeah thats it |
| 02:13.56 | AcTiVaTe | imap3 uses 220 according to /etc/services |
| 02:14.18 | AcTiVaTe | just did a grep imap /etc/services |
| 02:14.20 | rixth | exim isn't writing to /var/log/mail.log, why would this be? This is a brand new install |
| 02:14.35 | cmdln | /var/log/exim_mainlog? |
| 02:14.56 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 02:15.38 | rixth | cmdln, is there anything more detailed? I am used to postfix |
| 02:15.52 | DoDaT69 | anyone know how to get riad going on the intel S3200SH board w/ hardware raid??? |
| 02:16.03 | cmdln | http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbradthemad.org%2Ftech%2Fnotes%2Fexim_cheatsheet.php&ei=XKt-SNyBHYXAggLL_4nbBw&usg=AFQjCNGEKL6XSFAfn1uSqMIxL7-XahXdQA&sig2=MRfFCzti56IhTYfwxPdHaA |
| 02:16.03 | DoDaT69 | debian will not recognize for the life of it |
| 02:16.22 | cmdln | rixth: thats a good page |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | DoDaT69: sata ? |
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| 02:16.32 | DoDaT69 | abrot: yes |
| 02:16.35 | rixth | cmdln, thanks, looks useful, will bookmark |
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| 02:16.39 | cmdln | i dont use exim much eaither but i keep that one around |
| 02:16.45 | abrotman | i doubt it's real raid .. /msg dpkg sata faq |
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| 02:17.39 | DoDaT69 | there are drivers for the raid in RPM format, but nothing in raw modules |
| 02:17.48 | DoDaT69 | any way to pull apart the rpm and make some modules? |
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| 02:18.20 | kittonian | AcTiVaTe: that was it, works perfectly now. any idea why when I move messages on my iphone to the trash folder (and yes, I config'd so that it's using the trash folder on the IMAP server) and then delete the messages, they still reside on the server and come in when I login with my desktop pop3 client? |
| 02:19.17 | abrotman | kittonian: sometimes you have to purge the messages also |
| 02:19.34 | echo-area | Hello. When following http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers to install nvidia driver on debian and executing the command "apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-common nvidia-xconfig", I got messages like "The update-modules command is deprecated and should not be used!" Is this normal? |
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| 02:20.48 | kittonian | abrotman: is there a way to make it purge once I've told it to delete all messages from the trash? |
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| 02:21.41 | abrotman | client config usually |
| 02:22.15 | kittonian | hmmm |
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| 02:22.58 | kittonian | i have the deleted messages being sent to the imap server's trash. then I go into the trash and see all the deleted messages and choose to delete all. they are gone when I look on the iphone, yet they are there when I login with my pop3 client |
| 02:23.11 | kittonian | this doesn't happen with squirellmail |
| 02:23.18 | kittonian | that works like it's supposed to |
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| 02:24.16 | Dewi | kittonian: your pop3 draws from folders other than inbox, like trash? |
| 02:24.20 | Dewi | kittonian: that doesn't sound right |
| 02:24.37 | kittonian | it's apparently not seeing it as trash |
| 02:24.51 | kittonian | it's seeing it as an incoming message waiting to be delivered |
| 02:24.53 | kittonian | that's the problem |
| 02:25.36 | Dewi | kittonian: what IMAP/POP3 daemons? |
| 02:26.18 | kittonian | no worries, it's an iphone limitation |
| 02:26.43 | kittonian | the shortest interval you have an option to choose is 1 day to purge deleted messages |
| 02:26.56 | abrotman | kittonian: or it doesn't purge them from the inbox .. just marks them as deleted nad hides deleted |
| 02:26.59 | kittonian | so, it'll all still be there until I wait 24 hours |
| 02:27.11 | kittonian | that's exactly what I think it happening |
| 02:27.25 | DoDaT69 | I see a bunch of posts all around about ICH9R, but I cant seem to find something that actually has a SOLUTION |
| 02:27.26 | kittonian | there should be a purge button so you can keep it all in sync manually if you don't want to wait |
| 02:27.36 | Dewi | abrotman: sure, but what POP3 client shows marked-deleted stuff as current? |
| 02:27.39 | DoDaT69 | anyone familiar? |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | Dewi: different protocols .. pop3 may not understand "deleted, but hidden" |
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| 02:28.27 | xelapond | Where do I get the sources for the debian kernel? |
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| 02:28.28 | abrotman | Dewi: just a thought .. i didn't claim to have the answer |
| 02:28.36 | abrotman | xelapond: apt-cache search linux-source |
| 02:28.44 | xelapond | thanks |
| 02:28.48 | Dewi | the only way I've ever seen marked messages stick around, is that thing where outlook express continues to display them with a line through them |
| 02:28.56 | DoDaT69 | actually-- its LSI MegaRaid |
| 02:29.02 | Dewi | but that's just... the way OE likes to represent the state |
| 02:29.04 | DoDaT69 | in LSI mode.. duh.. |
| 02:29.21 | abrotman | Dewi: right .. and then if a pop3 client hits the INBOX .. what happens? |
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| 02:30.04 | Dewi | abrotman: would have thought the flag would be preserved, or the pop3d would avoid sending them down. |
| 02:30.24 | abrotman | Dewi: unsure .. but possible i'd say |
| 02:30.25 | Dewi | abrotman: I suppose now I think about it, moving from IMAP to POP3 is rare for me |
| 02:30.34 | Dewi | abrotman: if anything it's normally the other way around |
| 02:32.07 | abrotman | use imap everywhere! |
| 02:33.44 | kittonian | thanks all. good night |
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| 02:55.29 | rixth | cafuego, ack. The PHP that ships with Etch suffers from http://framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-1828 |
| 02:55.33 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 03:11.49 | Chocobo | Sort of an odd question... but if I plan on using sid... should I use a sid install disc, or should I use a stable disc and then select unstable in sources.list? |
| 03:12.07 | Chocobo | I think I worded that correctly :P |
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| 03:13.07 | Chocobo | 757 people and no one is talking? That is strange. |
| 03:14.00 | Lagbolt | Chocobo, you must not spend much time in here lol |
| 03:14.11 | rafuch0 | debian don't give us problems so there is no need to talk ;) |
| 03:14.19 | Lagbolt | lol nice |
| 03:14.20 | DanDare | yeah raamdev agrred |
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| 03:14.38 | Chocobo | No, I am sort of new to Debian. I am getting bored with Arch. |
| 03:14.53 | Lagbolt | Chocobo, is there a sid installer? i wouldnt reco not using sid but if you must i would use a working lenny installer, install base system then upgrade to sid |
| 03:15.01 | Chocobo | Plus I want more packages :P Linux Mint is nice, but I want a rolling distro. I think Sid is my baby. |
| 03:15.03 | Lagbolt | Chocobo, oh you are new? dont use sid |
| 03:15.47 | DanDare | heh |
| 03:15.48 | Lagbolt | Chocobo, if you are new and use sid you will prob have troubles. try etch with backports, or etchandahalf or at best lenny. no need for sid |
| 03:15.54 | Chocobo | Why not use sid? I have been playing with it in a virtual machine and it seems fine. |
| 03:16.16 | DanDare | i always hated that awares "dont use root account because you can damage your system" |
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| 03:16.45 | dagnasty | Chocobo: it usually does seem fine but there can be many things that go horribly wrong |
| 03:17.06 | Chocobo | Eh, if I don't do sid I might as well stick with Mint. |
| 03:17.27 | Lagbolt | Chocobo, well lots of things can break, specially if you are using dekstops with lots of dependencies like gnome/kde. |
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| 03:18.04 | Lagbolt | Chocobo, lol well go for it with sid if you must but if you are in dire need of rolling distro you can use testing. |
| 03:18.13 | DanDare | problem using sid for the new is that something goes wrong you will have even more difficult to sense if its a bug or other issue or if its some issue in the system part located between the monitor and the keyboard |
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| 03:18.34 | DanDare | *monitor and seat :p |
| 03:19.14 | Chocobo | Ok, well let me ask this... If I was to install etch now, there is nothing preventing me from updating to testing or unstable later on is there? |
| 03:19.22 | DanDare | but "dont use root" its just idiot and noob in the prejorative sense |
| 03:19.31 | dagnasty | Chocobo: you can ping to sid with /etc/apt/preferences or use backports if you need specific things |
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| 03:19.54 | dagnasty | Chocobo: yes nothing will prevent you from doing so |
| 03:20.50 | Chocobo | Ok, that is good. I need to learn about backports. There are certain packages that I do want from sid... updated packages that I use frequently. |
| 03:21.33 | dagnasty | Chocobo: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html take a look at that. It is very easy to pull packages from sid if you absolutley have to |
| 03:22.16 | DanDare | so i remembered of a question i made today lately: If i install etch from CD set... substitute sources from CD´s to internet repositories, at this point i do 'apt-get update' and 'apt-get upgrade'... after this i change back the sources to just CD set using apt-cdrom and start installing things... i can expect conflicts or not wanted issues ? |
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| 03:23.14 | DanDare | or i must have "after using online repositories never back to CD set" as rule ? |
| 03:24.28 | dagnasty | DanDare:well since you upgraded those cd source packages would be older than the internet repository packages. ( i would assume) |
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| 03:25.01 | DanDare | yes they are older, that´s the point. Doing that can lead to problems ? |
| 03:25.33 | DanDare | or its apt smart enought to detect the situation and block or aware me about the situation ? |
| 03:26.30 | DanDare | i need back to some server and continue setups,... but now i dont have internet on there anymore |
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| 03:26.40 | DanDare | better stop and wait for internet back |
| 03:26.42 | dagnasty | DanDare: i assume it any already installed package would just have apt promt with "already newest version" other than that no problems i wouldnt think |
| 03:26.45 | enouf | DanDare: you can force install older versions if needed |
| 03:27.15 | enouf | yes, don't try downgrading |
| 03:27.20 | DanDare | nice |
| 03:27.21 | DanDare | thanks |
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| 03:28.03 | enouf | DanDare: the debian-reference is a nice doc ;-) |
| 03:28.21 | DanDare | heh |
| 03:28.33 | enouf | !tell DanDare -about grounding |
| 03:28.34 | DanDare | yeah i believe :) |
| 03:28.38 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 03:29.25 | Chocobo | Pinning looks awesome! |
| 03:29.48 | Chocobo | Ok, so do you recommend etch or lenny as a base system? |
| 03:29.59 | dagnasty | Chocobo: it is nice i used to use it quite a bit before xmonad was in testing |
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| 03:30.39 | dagnasty | i like lenny as a good middle ground but etch is always the safe bet |
| 03:31.29 | Chocobo | alright, and one last question... what do you do when the next stable release comes out? |
| 03:32.36 | DanDare | They are saying that this is bad http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.pt-br.html#s5.3.2 |
| 03:32.52 | DanDare | but if im using apt to just upgrade but not dist-upgrade its ok right ? |
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| 03:33.29 | erpo | DanDare: I can't read that language. Could you link to the english version? |
| 03:33.29 | DanDare | oh *http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html#s5.3.2 |
| 03:34.21 | erpo | Who says that is bad? |
| 03:34.35 | DanDare | the br-portuguese says |
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| 03:34.42 | DanDare | br-portuguese version |
| 03:34.45 | dagnasty | Chocobo: I think if you stay up to date your etch install transitions into the stable lenny whenever that is but i am not sure how that all works |
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| 03:35.23 | \amethyst | Chocobo: depends on whether you put "stable", "etch", "lenny", or "testing" as your distribution |
| 03:35.25 | DanDare | but that´s shit because even the content in the command sequence have differences between the two languages in the 5.2.3 |
| 03:35.35 | AlanBlins | hello |
| 03:35.39 | \amethyst | Chocobo: if you use "lenny" then, when lenny is released, you'll be running stable |
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| 03:35.59 | DanDare | a guy is meant to translate a content not to change the content damn |
| 03:36.10 | \amethyst | Chocobo: if you use "testing" then, when lenny is released, upgrading will give you packages from the new testing |
| 03:36.35 | \amethyst | Chocobo: if you use "etch" then nothing will happen (when lenny is released you'll be running oldstable) |
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| 03:36.53 | \amethyst | Chocobo: and if you use "stable" then, when lenny is released, upgrading will give you packages from lenny |
| 03:37.09 | TiMiDo | is testing friendly? |
| 03:37.35 | Chocobo | Makes sense. I think I am ready to do it :) |
| 03:37.36 | DanDare | it´s friendly but its just testing where you can expect all sort of bugs... i guess |
| 03:37.43 | erpo | TiMiDo: I like testing. But...things in testing are untested. |
| 03:37.52 | TiMiDo | erpo, im using sid, |
| 03:37.58 | TiMiDo | i think is a little bit friendly ;X |
| 03:38.08 | erpo | Yeah, it's friendlier than sid. |
| 03:38.21 | TiMiDo | yeah, perhaps |
| 03:38.21 | \amethyst | TiMiDo: occasionally there are problems that keep certain packages out of testing for extended periods of time |
| 03:38.31 | erpo | I actually ran sid for years without issue, but pretty much everyone else reported major breakage at one time or another. |
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| 03:39.23 | \amethyst | TiMiDo: for example, the non-free nvidia driver has been missing from lenny for a number of months now |
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| 03:39.33 | TiMiDo | yeah i know |
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| 03:40.57 | erpo | Is support for burning DVD+R DL discs still touch and go on some hardware? |
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| 03:41.04 | ootput | howdy |
| 03:41.11 | erpo | hiya |
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| 03:42.08 | wols | \amethyst: years by now :P |
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| 03:55.48 | linkmaster03 | how do i find out what X display im on right now. im on IceWM. |
| 03:56.02 | linkmaster03 | by X display I mean like :0 :1 or whatever |
| 03:56.27 | Chocobo | Hmm with pinning can do something like this "Pin: release o=Debian, a=stable"? |
| 03:56.32 | Nyle | erpo, ping |
| 03:56.35 | Nyle | damit |
| 03:56.38 | Nyle | not erpo goddamit |
| 03:56.43 | Nyle | erpo, go away |
| 03:56.49 | Nyle | enouf, ping! |
| 03:57.17 | Nyle | Chocobo, what are you trying to do? |
| 03:58.07 | dagnasty | im having issues playing a a dvd with mplayer. I rarley use my computer to watch dvd's but i would like to for tonight. It is a rented dvd in good shape but for some reason mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device /dev/hda |
| 03:58.24 | erpo | Nice to see you too Nyle. |
| 03:58.27 | Chocobo | Well right now I am in Linux Mint which uses Ubuntu repos... I am just wonder what happens if you more than one repo that has stable/testing/unstable. |
| 03:58.39 | dagnasty | oops, anyway that kindof works but the playback is terrible and almost unwatchable |
| 03:58.55 | erpo | linkmaster03: Open a terminal and echo $DISPLAY ? |
| 03:58.57 | enouf | Nyle: heh - wanna stop spamming me :-P |
| 03:59.07 | Chocobo | I want to assign a priority to Debian's stable, and a priority to Ubuntu's stable. |
| 03:59.26 | linkmaster03 | erpo: thanks i love you meet me in bed k |
| 03:59.43 | erpo | wtf |
| 03:59.47 | wols | Chocobo: we do not support mixing repos from different distros. at all. don't do it |
| 04:00.10 | linkmaster03 | erpo: you read me |
| 04:00.19 | Chocobo | Why even have the origin tag in preferences then? |
| 04:00.44 | wols | Chocobo: we do not support mint at all either. ask a mint channel to help with your mint problems |
| 04:00.54 | erpo | linkmaster03: This communication channel may be eight bit clean but it's not sarcasm clean. Are you implying my advice is useless or are you giving me sincere but weird thanks? |
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| 04:01.09 | Chocobo | For example... what does it mean to pin a origin at a certain priority and an archive with another priority? |
| 04:01.18 | wols | !tell Chocobo about ubuntu |
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| 04:01.32 | wols | Chocobo: stop please. you are in the wrong channel |
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| 04:01.42 | Chocobo | This isn't really a mint question... I am getting ready to install Debian and I am just trying to figure out pinning first. |
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| 04:03.07 | linkmaster03 | erpo: im giving you sincere but weird thanks |
| 04:03.12 | wols | Chocobo: doesn't matter. come back when you run actual debian. we do not support mint no matter with what. that's all |
| 04:03.18 | Chocobo | I am not sure what I asked that is so wrong... I am just wondering the purpose of the origin |
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| 04:03.31 | wols | Chocobo: you have no debian question, that is what's wrong. and we ONLY support debian |
| 04:03.37 | linkmaster03 | erpo: cause i needed a vnc server on :0 |
| 04:03.50 | Chocobo | wols: Ok, I am running Debian sid in my virtual machine. Now will you answer? |
| 04:04.06 | wols | Chocobo: no. please stop that crap |
| 04:04.15 | Chocobo | wtf? |
| 04:05.33 | erpo | Chocobo: If you want to understand apt better (and pinning in particular, which I still don't get), try searching online for some howtos. You might also have better luck asking in #apt, although I don't know much about that channel. |
| 04:06.25 | Chocobo | I am somewhat dumbfounded right now. |
| 04:06.34 | Chocobo | thanks erpo |
| 04:08.19 | erpo | Chocobo: Sometimes the distinctions are subtle. |
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| 04:09.56 | Eitan | hello all |
| 04:10.06 | erpo | Chocobo: For example, at one point a member of my lug was having problems with apt so I asked his question in #debian. Then I looked more closely at his pastebin and realized that he was running ubuntu, so I apologized to the room and asked the question in #ubuntu instead. Far from being upset, people in #debian gave some suggestions. So it's not always 100% cut and dried. |
| 04:10.32 | erpo | Eitan: Evening. |
| 04:10.51 | Chocobo | I think I understand the origin... if you have a package in sid, and a package in a 3rd party repo you can pin Debian's repo above or below the 3rd party repo. I am still unsure what happens with the branches such as stable/unstable. |
| 04:11.10 | Eitan | I'm having trouble with my debian hard drive. I can't mount it. I want to get my personal files off it. I'm running the debian live cd now. Can anyone help? |
| 04:11.16 | Eitan | erpo: good evening! |
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| 04:11.38 | erpo | Eitan: What happens when you try to mount it? |
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| 04:12.10 | Eitan | erpo: well, when the debian boot sequence tries to mount it, it gets a lot of seek and sector errors. |
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| 04:12.43 | erpo | Eitan: So when you say you can't mount it, what you really mean is that you can't boot off of it. Is that right? |
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| 04:12.45 | Eitan | erpo: is the boot sequence recorded in a log file? If it is, I suppose I can pastebin it for you, if you think it will help. |
| 04:13.37 | Eitan | erpo: both.... when I try to boot it, grub says "error 17" and when I try rescue cd's like grml, sysresccd, and the debian live cd, none of them can mount the drive. |
| 04:14.07 | erpo | Eitan: What output do you get when you try to mount the drive from a live cd? And what command are you using? |
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| 04:15.45 | Eitan | erpo: well the boot sequence for the debian live cd tries to mount it automatically, and like I said, it yields seek errors and sector errors... I don't know what they are exactly because I didn't know how to save the boot sequence log. When I use a rescue cd, I used mount /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 04:16.58 | Nyle | enouf enouf enouf enouf enouf en |
| 04:17.02 | Nyle | ouf |
| 04:17.07 | Nyle | spam spam spam |
| 04:17.19 | enouf | Nyle: heh |
| 04:17.32 | erpo | What happens when you type mount /dev/hda1 /mnt ? |
| 04:17.46 | Eitan | erpo: I'll try it now and tell you. |
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| 04:19.30 | Eitan | erpo: woops... it says "you must specify the file system type" |
| 04:20.09 | Eitan | erpo: now I tried: debian:/home/user# mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 04:20.09 | Eitan | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hda1, |
| 04:20.09 | Eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:20.28 | Eitan | erpo: In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try |
| 04:20.29 | Eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:21.30 | erpo | Eitan: Which filesystem were you using on this partition? Are you 100% sure /dev/hda1 is the correct partition? |
| 04:22.03 | Eitan | erpo: pretty sure... the only other possibility is hda, but it's hda1 that has the errors at boot |
| 04:22.08 | Eitan | erpo: http://pastebin.ca/1074047 |
| 04:22.52 | Eitan | erpo: I tried ext2 and that didn't work either |
| 04:23.12 | Eitan | erpo: how do I list the partitions on the drive? |
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| 04:23.28 | erpo | Eitan: fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 04:23.46 | n3kl | Why is .bash_logout not run when I exit? |
| 04:24.09 | Eitan | erpo: hmmm that didn't do anything... how do I read the output of that command? |
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| 04:24.48 | erpo | Eitan: fdisk -l /dev/hda didn't output anything? |
| 04:24.58 | Eitan | erpo: no |
| 04:25.10 | Eitan | debian:/home/user# fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 04:25.10 | Eitan | debian:/home/user# |
| 04:25.25 | erpo | Eitan: Now what's in dmesg | tail ? |
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| 04:26.09 | Eitan | erpo: http://pastebin.ca/1074050 |
| 04:26.14 | DanDare | n3kl what is .bash_logout ? |
| 04:26.41 | erpo | Eitan: Yeah, looks like fdisk can't access the mbr. |
| 04:26.47 | DanDare | you mean, terminal window dont close after exit ? |
| 04:27.10 | erpo | Eitan: How is the hard drive physically connected to the mainboard? A ribbon cable or a SATA cable? |
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| 04:27.44 | Eitan | erpo: a ribbon cable. |
| 04:27.52 | Eitan | erpo: Let me give you a little more detail. |
| 04:28.00 | erpo | ok |
| 04:28.41 | Dewi | Eitan: that looks broken |
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| 04:29.01 | Eitan | erpo: taking a step back... when I tried to boot using the live cd, the boot sequence yielded sector error after sector error for a long tim ewith no end in sight. So I temporarily cut power to the drive after which the boot sequence finally got past that part. |
| 04:29.20 | Eitan | erpo: I then turned on power again |
| 04:29.39 | Eitan | erpo: otherwise, there would have been no way to get debian live-cd to finally finish booting. |
| 04:29.46 | erpo | Eitan: You unplugged the molex connector from the back of the HDD temporarily while the computer was on? |
| 04:29.51 | Eitan | yes |
| 04:29.58 | erpo | turns green. |
| 04:30.17 | Dewi | Eitan: I was about to say your hardware is bad, but it's cool if it can withstand that! |
| 04:30.21 | Dewi | (without reboot) |
| 04:30.23 | Eitan | erpo: nothing has changed... it has the same sector errors as it did before. |
| 04:30.37 | Dewi | Eitan: but anyway, it sounds like your hardware is bad or the kernel you are using hates it |
| 04:30.46 | Eitan | dewi: that didn't do anything to the drive that has not already been done... all modern drives auto-park the heads. |
| 04:30.50 | erpo | Eitan: There's a chance that it's the controller and not the disk. Do you have another computer you can plug the HDD into? |
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| 04:31.12 | Eitan | erpo: why do you think it's the controller... on the same controller I have no problem booting windows 2000 (my second drive.) |
| 04:31.17 | erpo | Eitan: Yeah, but by power cycling the drive you essentially hot plugged an ATA device. |
| 04:31.33 | erpo | Eitan: I don't necessarily think that's the problem, but it's a possibility. |
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| 04:31.42 | Dewi | Eitan: right, but the shock and unclean break often causes machines to reboot whenever I've tried that without a nice clean switch |
| 04:31.45 | Eitan | erpo: I know it's unorthodox, but I had no way of getting past the errors in the boot sequence. |
| 04:32.06 | Eitan | dewi: |
| 04:32.19 | Eitan | erpo: since both of you seem interested... I'll add some more background. |
| 04:32.28 | Dewi | Eitan: linux could easily hate your controller though |
| 04:32.39 | Dewi | Eitan: although... that's not so common with IDE these days |
| 04:32.40 | Eitan | Basically this started last night... I booted into debian as usual with no problems... |
| 04:32.41 | erpo | Dewi: He said he used to run linux on it with no problem. |
| 04:33.03 | Eitan | after a couple of minutes I noticed I couldn't run any programs off the gnome desktop. |
| 04:33.15 | Eitan | I looked at the computer and the hd light was on solid.... it wouldn't go off. |
| 04:33.28 | Eitan | I couldn't figure out what was wrong so I did a safe shutdown using the gnome menu |
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| 04:33.55 | Eitan | during shutdown it showed errors unmounting the drive |
| 04:34.22 | Eitan | at reboot... the debian boot system said tha tit had trouble mounting the drive and that it had to stop and I had to run fsck. |
| 04:34.30 | Dewi | Eitan: sounds like the hard drive is failing then |
| 04:34.37 | Wolfclaw | hi |
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| 04:34.44 | Eitan | So I ran fsck... fsck asked a bunch of questions... basically saying that it found all kinds of errors. |
| 04:34.55 | Eitan | I said "yes" to all the questions. |
| 04:35.06 | Eitan | after it was done, it said I should reboot.... which I did. |
| 04:35.16 | Wolfclaw | my ssh session just booted me then , and this is the weird bit, all my ports are blocked. I cant access my http server, but ping is running |
| 04:35.29 | Eitan | Then... when I rebooted, grub basicaly said "grub" and then the grub version number... and paused for a long time. |
| 04:35.32 | Wolfclaw | s/booted/kicked |
| 04:35.35 | Eitan | Then it said "error 17" |
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| 04:35.45 | infotron | Wolfclaw: try ssh -vvv or tcptraceroute |
| 04:35.45 | Dewi | Eitan: okay, so the disk is failing |
| 04:35.48 | Eitan | all of that was with grub showing no boot menu. |
| 04:35.56 | erpo | Eitan: You know not to run fsck on a mounted filesystem, right? |
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| 04:36.00 | Eitan | The situation has not changed since then. |
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| 04:36.38 | Eitan | erpo... I don't think I ever ran fsck on a mounted system... but the debian boot sequence told me that it couldn't mount and that I should run fsck. |
| 04:36.43 | Dewi | could conceiveably be a controller failure too |
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| 04:36.48 | Dewi | but sounds more like the disk |
| 04:37.22 | Eitan | dewi: I've been using debian for two years already with no problems... windows 2000 still works perfectly too... it's not the controller. |
| 04:37.40 | erpo | Eitan: Maybe it's the port. |
| 04:37.51 | Dewi | why wouldn't it be the disk failing? |
| 04:37.52 | Eitan | erpo... both drives are on the same port |
| 04:38.14 | erpo | Dewi: It might be, but let's rule out the problems with easy fixes before we sink time into the difficult fixes. |
| 04:38.20 | Eitan | ok... let's assume that the disk is failing... |
| 04:38.38 | erpo | Eitan: Do you have another disk of the same or larger capacity? |
| 04:38.39 | Eitan | is there any linux based utility that will ignore all the errors and allow me to retrieve whatever files are still readable? |
| 04:38.41 | Dewi | I would use gddrescue to do a sector by sector copy of your filesystem block devices, to a new disk |
| 04:38.57 | Eitan | erpo: I happen to have a brand new drive of the exact same brand and model. |
| 04:38.59 | Dewi | but if fdisk -l is broken, you probably can't even do that, you could try the entire hd1 |
| 04:39.03 | Dewi | er the entire hda |
| 04:39.21 | erpo | Eitan: Did you have any other partitions on the broken drive? |
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| 04:39.30 | Dewi | Eitan: not files, but sectors. You can't really talk about files when things are as damaged as they sound. gddrescue |
| 04:39.45 | levander | How can I 'dpkg -L' on a package file instead of an installed package. |
| 04:40.16 | Eitan | erpo.... hmmm... I'm not sure exactly how many partitions... I think basically a main partition and a swap... but I could be wrong... I put the debian files and my personal files on the same partition... I know that's stupid, but I didn't know that at the time. |
| 04:40.44 | erpo | Eitan: I do it that way. Stupid is relative. |
| 04:41.10 | Eitan | dewi: if I copy the sectors, how can I reconstruct the files from that? It's probably going to be a huge multi-gigabyte jumble of random data. |
| 04:41.19 | erpo | Eitan: It can be done sometimes. |
| 04:41.23 | Eitan | erpo: ok... so we both did it the same way. |
| 04:41.34 | Dewi | Eitan: it should be an exact replica of your disk, with some bits missing that could not be recovered |
| 04:41.39 | erpo | Of course...I keep backups. ;) |
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| 04:41.44 | Dewi | Eitan: but once you have that on healthy hardware you can run fsck more successfully |
| 04:41.48 | Dewi | Eitan: and get it back to something mountable |
| 04:41.48 | muramasa | Is it possible to find some kind of 'absolutely needed kernel options for the system to run', that I could build upon further, so I don't miss anyoptions?:-) |
| 04:41.56 | Eitan | erpo... unfortunately I was not judicious about making backups... :( |
| 04:42.36 | Eitan | dewi... so duplicate the drive by sectors... then fsck the drive and hope to reconstruct the filesystem? |
| 04:42.43 | erpo | muramasa: You can go through each option, learn what it means, and make your decisions one by one... |
| 04:42.58 | Dewi | Eitan: basically my opinion is, on a failing disk, don't try anything more complicated than a linear sweep of everything you can get, skipping bad areas, and coming back to retry them to fill in the gaps, which is what gddrescue does |
| 04:43.23 | Dewi | Eitan: once you've got a replica (or two), you can start doing things like trying to hammer the FS back into a minimally useable state where "files" exist again |
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| 04:44.01 | Eitan | dewi: how about this... can gddrescue copy the blocks to a set of dvd's? |
| 04:44.17 | muramasa | erpo: indeed that is what I'm trying, but booting stops at "Waiting for the root file system.......", so assumed I missed something vital hehe |
| 04:44.38 | Eitan | dewi: how do I do that second part? |
| 04:44.42 | Dewi | Eitan: the magic with gddrescue is that it skips bad areas and comes back to them. So by the time you go back to finish off killing your disk trying to read the bad areas, you've already got most of the disk. |
| 04:45.08 | Dewi | Eitan: well, I've never tried it when the partition table was damaged |
| 04:45.28 | Eitan | dewi: you think my partition table is damaged? |
| 04:45.43 | Eitan | dewi: isn't a duplicate kept on the disk somewhere? |
| 04:46.10 | Dewi | Eitan: if fdisk -l fails, and linux gives you no /dev/hda1 etc, then you're not going to be able to tell gddrescue to rescue that partition |
| 04:46.23 | Dewi | Eitan: you'd need to do the whole drive |
| 04:46.51 | Eitan | dewi: ok... I'm still short on knowledge... first... where do I get gddrescue? |
| 04:46.51 | Dewi | (or find the offsets by some other means, obviously) |
| 04:47.02 | Dewi | Eitan: it's in debian |
| 04:47.16 | Eitan | what's the command? |
| 04:47.23 | Eitan | dewi: what's the command? |
| 04:47.26 | Dewi | aptitude install gddrescue ; ddrescue |
| 04:48.11 | Dewi | read the help. if there's any chance of interruption, tell it to use some kind of persistent storage for the journal file so it can resume |
| 04:48.30 | Eitan | dewi: ok... I got ddrescue now... |
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| 04:48.33 | Dewi | I normally call it with no other options |
| 04:48.42 | Eitan | dewi: it apparently makes a file out of the drive.. is that right? |
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| 04:49.08 | Dewi | Eitan: if you want it to, you might be aware of the general unix approach where many things are files |
| 04:49.19 | Eitan | dewi: yeah |
| 04:49.31 | Dewi | Eitan: /dev/hda can be treated much like a fixed-length file, and so is /dev/hda1 |
| 04:49.48 | Dewi | Eitan: so whether you're talking "disk image" or "block device" is mostly a matter of what path you specify |
| 04:50.13 | crackintosh | I have an amd64 server running centos 4. I want to change to debian. Is amd64 package support lacking on debian? would i find more supported packages using x86_64? |
| 04:50.29 | Eitan | dewi: so let's say I have 10 gigs on a 40 gig bad drive... can I install a 20 gig drive and use ddrescue to make a rescue file on the new drive? |
| 04:50.42 | erpo | No. |
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| 04:51.18 | Dewi | Eitan: depends if that 10 gigs is in a nice /dev/hda1 you can easily request |
| 04:51.33 | erpo | Your 10 gigs of files may be spread out all over that 40 gigs of space, and you won't know where they are until you copy all of the sectors to a new drive. |
| 04:51.33 | Dewi | if you're talking 1 filesystem, you might be able to do it with compression |
| 04:51.34 | Wolfclaw | nevermind, its started back up again :S |
| 04:51.43 | Dewi | but the problem with free space is, it's not always as compressible as you'd think |
| 04:51.44 | Eitan | dewi: are you saying that ddrescue may not work if the drive is too far gone? |
| 04:52.23 | Dewi | Eitan: of course. But it's the gentlest, most persistent way to get all you can get off the block device |
| 04:52.28 | crackintosh | Dewi: i heard you can turn a 120mb drive into a TB drive |
| 04:52.58 | Eitan | erpo: so you're saying that ddrescue will require 40 gigs to rescue a 40 gig drive even if that drive has only 1 meg on it... right? |
| 04:53.15 | erpo | Eitan: In your case, yes. |
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| 04:53.35 | Dewi | Eitan: yes, because your filesystem is too damaged to interpret that information |
| 04:53.48 | erpo | Eitan: If your partition table weren't hosed and your partition were small enough, then maybe not, but I don't think either of those things are true in your case. |
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| 04:54.19 | Eitan | by the way... what does it mean when gparted recognizes hda but says that there are no partitions and the space is unallocated? |
| 04:54.25 | erpo | crackintosh: Sure you can. I know how to do that. |
| 04:54.28 | coldboot|home | I have main, contrib and non-free in my apt sources, but I still get nothing when I "apt-cache search php", is there something I'm missing? |
| 04:54.34 | Dewi | Eitan: it means your partition table isn't able to be read |
| 04:54.55 | Dewi | Eitan: which is admittedly likely to be difficult to reconstruct |
| 04:55.00 | Eitan | dewi: is there a duplicate backup table anywhere on the drive? |
| 04:55.06 | Dewi | Eitan: although if you just had 1 big partition, maybe not that bad |
| 04:55.14 | coldboot|home | I can install stuff that doesn't show up in apt-cache search... |
| 04:55.33 | Dewi | Eitan: I don't know either way |
| 04:55.38 | erpo | coldboot|home: Did you do an apt-get update after you changed your sources.list ? |
| 04:55.47 | Dewi | Eitan: with repeated reads you might be able to get it |
| 04:55.57 | Dewi | Eitan: when gddrescue comes back for the damaged areas... |
| 04:56.39 | Dewi | Eitan: did you have just 2 partitions, main and swap? |
| 04:56.52 | coldboot|home | erpo: Yeah. |
| 04:56.56 | enouf | Eitan: try http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ |
| 04:57.12 | Dewi | Eitan: fdisk can always write you a new partition table, and if it matches closely enough fsck might deal with it |
| 04:57.18 | Eitan | dewi: ok... let's say I install another drive... boot the live cd... and run ddrescue and tell it to make a new file on the new drive.... how do I prepare the new drive for this operation? Do I create a partition on it and format it as ext3... is that enough? |
| 04:57.21 | coldboot|home | erpo: It only finds "php" stuff that I have installed now, when I do apt-cache search. |
| 04:57.36 | Eitan | dewi: yes... I think so. |
| 04:59.05 | Eitan | debian:/dev# gpart hda |
| 04:59.05 | Eitan | *** Fatal error: cannot get sector size on dev(hda). |
| 04:59.41 | coldboot|home | Does anyone know what might be wrong if I can install packages that I can't find with apt-cache search? |
| 05:00.10 | Eitan | dewi: what does that output mean? |
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| 05:00.58 | Eitan | enouf: debian:/dev# gpart hda |
| 05:00.58 | Eitan | *** Fatal error: cannot get sector size on dev(hda). |
| 05:01.24 | Eitan | enouf: what should that mean to me? |
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| 05:02.31 | enouf | sounds like someone used fdisk to alter the sector size |
| 05:02.35 | enouf | not good |
| 05:02.43 | Dewi | Eitan: if you have an empty drive, don't use a file, just target the drive |
| 05:03.31 | Dewi | Eitan: I mean you can use a file if you want, but it seems easier to run fdisk to reconstruct partition tables on a drive rather than a file |
| 05:03.35 | Eitan | dewi: should I partition and format the new drive or not? |
| 05:03.44 | Dewi | Eitan: no |
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| 05:04.05 | Dewi | Eitan: are they really identical sizes? |
| 05:04.11 | Eitan | dewi: yes. |
| 05:04.18 | Eitan | dewi: they are identical drives |
| 05:04.19 | Dewi | Eitan: good |
| 05:04.56 | Dewi | I'm not sure what the sector size thing is about |
| 05:05.10 | Dewi | aren't sectors normally 512 bytes? |
| 05:05.11 | Dewi | I didn't know you could choose |
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| 05:05.29 | Eitan | dewi: ok... I basically plug in the new drive without partitioning or formatting it... then I reboot the system with the old drive as master and the new one as slave... |
| 05:05.38 | Dewi | I suppose non-IDE types probably have other sizes |
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| 05:05.50 | Eitan | dewi: then I run ddrescue and say what exactly? ddrescue /dev/hda /dev/hdb ? |
| 05:06.18 | Dewi | Eitan: yes, but don't get it backwards. And optionally specify a location to save a journal so you can resume |
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| 05:06.43 | Eitan | dewi: hda is always the master, right/ |
| 05:06.44 | Dewi | (some machines like to reboot when asked to read bad disks for hours) |
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| 05:07.17 | Dewi | Eitan: normally yes, but I'd confirm by seeing which disk gives you that gpart error :P |
| 05:07.24 | Dewi | Eitan: I'd expect only 1 of them to |
| 05:07.49 | Dewi | (or fdisk dmesg/syslog errors. whatever) |
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| 05:08.56 | Eitan | dewi: ok.... so let's say I do that, and miraculously I don't get stuck in my ignorance of linux command syntax... then I'll have a working drive with a fragmented image of the old drive... now what do I run? |
| 05:09.22 | Dewi | Eitan: what was the partition structure? 1 root part, followed by 1 tiny swap partition? |
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| 05:09.46 | Eitan | dewi: I don't know which one was first... the main one or the swap. |
| 05:09.57 | Dewi | Eitan: swap is unlikely to be first, I'd imagine |
| 05:10.22 | Dewi | Eitan: anyway the main thing is to match the start offsets, and not make your new partition too small |
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| 05:11.21 | Eitan | dewi: what do you mean not make my new partition too small... I though you said that I shouldn't partition the new drive at all? |
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| 05:11.35 | Dewi | Eitan: so assuming fdisk is still unable to see a part table on the target drive after a reboot, I'd create 1 big ext3 primary partition on it. Full size. Good chance of having the same starting offset, and might be a little too large but hopefully that won't matter too much |
| 05:12.03 | helo_ | is there a reason why X11 forwarding via ssh would fail when sshing from lenny to etch? |
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| 05:12.24 | Dewi | Eitan: no, I said don't partition it *first* because a ddrescue of a whole disk includes partition tables, if any |
| 05:12.29 | Dewi | Eitan: but if the target partition table isn't useable, you can create a new one over the top and try to match |
| 05:12.52 | Dewi | Eitan: note that if you were doing anything tricky like using LVM with a little boot partition at the beginning, that's going to cause problems |
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| 05:13.09 | Dewi | because that's going to be hard to blindly reconstruct |
| 05:13.26 | helo_ | i've never had to do anything beyond ssh -X user@host to be able to run X11 apps locally... |
| 05:13.41 | Eitan | dewi: how likely is it that I was using lvm? |
| 05:13.43 | helo_ | well... 'be able to display remote X11 apps locally' |
| 05:13.52 | erpo | helo_: Make sure that X11Forwarding is enabled in the server's sshd_config. |
| 05:14.05 | Dewi | Eitan: only you can know that, the etch and maybe sarge installers simply ask you, but I believe the default is not to use LVM |
| 05:14.41 | Eitan | dewi: then I wasn't ... cause I used most of the defaults. |
| 05:15.04 | Dewi | Eitan: don't get the impression that my plan is bound to work, I'm not convinced gddrescue is going to be able to read very much if even your partition table has failed |
| 05:15.30 | Eitan | dewi: given it more thought? what are you realizing that has given you a change of heart? |
| 05:15.35 | Dewi | Eitan: but it's worth a go if you don't have good backups. Might even be worth a go on another machine's HD controller, just in case it somehow hopes better with the failures your disk is throwing out all the time |
| 05:16.11 | Dewi | Eitan: no change of heart, just pragmatically trying to guess what is most likely to get you some data back |
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| 05:16.38 | Eitan | dewi: if not gddrescue... then what? |
| 05:17.04 | Dewi | Eitan: I don't know of anything more gentle and straightforward than gddrescue |
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| 05:17.12 | Eitan | dewi: let me think out loud for a moment... |
| 05:17.19 | helo_ | hmm... i still get "DISPLAY is not set" |
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| 05:17.39 | Dewi | Eitan: but I suppose there's always other OSes with other kernels, and then there's professional data recovery |
| 05:17.42 | erpo | helo_: You might consider running both ssh and sshd in debug mode. |
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| 05:18.09 | Eitan | dewi: is there any way or any program that will basically "look" at the disk, be told to assume that it's formatted as ext3, and then just transfer the files from it? |
| 05:18.21 | helo_ | i might... ;) |
| 05:18.58 | enouf | debian's gddrescue |
| 05:18.58 | erpo | Eitan: No, there is no such magic program that does everything. Data recovery is a process that Dewi is leading you through right now. There are multiple steps and you have to do them in order, starting with ddrescue. |
| 05:19.05 | enouf | use the logging option |
| 05:19.32 | enouf | you've been told that already though |
| 05:19.36 | Dewi | Eitan: afaik linux needs the partition table geometry to get you to that point, and currently it cna't see it |
| 05:19.44 | enouf | and yet you blab away |
| 05:19.51 | Dewi | Eitan: but on a new disk you have the chance to construct that, even if you can't rescue it |
| 05:20.18 | Dewi | Eitan: and anyway, it's foolish to mess around on a failing disk. Just try and suck every bit you can before it dies is my philosophy |
| 05:20.19 | Eitan | dewi: ok... so what was the reason you're not as confident anymore about the likelihood of success with gddrescue? |
| 05:20.23 | Dewi | failures tend to be quite progressive |
| 05:20.25 | f00li5h | meow |
| 05:20.41 | enouf | see what sfdisk -d /dev/sda > part-table-sda |
| 05:20.44 | enouf | says |
| 05:20.51 | Dewi | Eitan: I told you, my confidence has not changed. I'm just saying rescue of this sort is a long-shot |
| 05:20.59 | Eitan | enouf: will do |
| 05:21.11 | helo_ | it is generally a good idea to back up your partition tables for these kinds of occasions via "dd if=/dev/sda of=/media/backupmedia/partitiondump count=2", or something... |
| 05:21.38 | Eitan | enouf:sfdisk: read error on /dev/hda - cannot read sector 0 |
| 05:21.38 | Eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:21.38 | Eitan | No partitions found |
| 05:21.41 | infotron | just in case you accidently type all that. |
| 05:21.44 | Dewi | enouf: that's cool. Haven't played with that |
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| 05:22.02 | Eitan | dewi: oh.... 10% or less? |
| 05:22.18 | Dewi | Eitan: I'm not going to speculate |
| 05:22.23 | Eitan | dewi: ok |
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| 05:22.33 | enouf | Dewi: yep, great for importing too - but dd as helo_ mentioned also grabs the MBR code and such |
| 05:22.35 | Dewi | does it really matter? |
| 05:22.52 | Dewi | enouf: I usually muck about wtih dd |
| 05:22.59 | enouf | sure, me too |
| 05:22.59 | Dewi | enouf: that looks easier :) |
| 05:23.01 | Eitan | dewi: at least I won't get my hopes up. |
| 05:23.07 | enouf | i like doing both ;-0 |
| 05:23.18 | helo_ | have you checked to see what sectors are readable by just dumping the entire block device (dd if=/dev/hda of=/media/otherdevice/dumpfile.img)? |
| 05:23.37 | Dewi | helo_: gddrescue does that, but gently |
| 05:23.57 | Dewi | helo_: dd either panics or ignores errors, neither of which is quite what you want |
| 05:24.03 | enouf | and with ability to NOT get stuck on bad sectors .. and Logs too |
| 05:24.08 | helo_ | i'm coming in a little late, but the 'rescue' utility may be of use |
| 05:24.13 | enouf | and can do it in bits and pieces |
| 05:24.14 | Eitan | ok... so as I was saying... after using gddrescue... then I run fdisk? what options? what do I do then? |
| 05:24.30 | enouf | and come BACK to only the bad blocks later and try |
| 05:24.41 | Dewi | Eitan: well like I say, fi you think your disk was mainly 1 big partition with all your data at the start of the disk, create the same kind of deal on the target disk with fdisk after the rescue |
| 05:24.46 | helo_ | sounds pretty nifty :) |
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| 05:25.06 | Dewi | Eitan: if the start offsets match and you don't make the new one too small, it has a reasonable chance of being meaningful |
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| 05:25.30 | Eitan | dewi: and that's it... that's the end of the process... then try to mount that drive? |
| 05:25.30 | Dewi | Eitan: fdisk doesn't touch actual disk data areas, just partition tables |
| 05:25.42 | Eitan | dewi: got it... |
| 05:25.42 | Dewi | Eitan: run fsck.ext3 |
| 05:25.54 | Dewi | Eitan: then mount,etc |
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| 05:26.09 | Dewi | you can always try a read-only mount before fsck |
| 05:26.15 | Dewi | but don't do write-mounts before fsck, generally |
| 05:26.39 | helo_ | does gddrescue give you a 'besticould_do_hda.img'? |
| 05:26.44 | Dewi | hell, you probably never want to write mount that partition again |
| 05:26.51 | Eitan | dewi: and that's it... right? |
| 05:26.55 | Dewi | helo_: pretty much, yes |
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| 05:27.13 | Eitan | dewi: and then hopefully the system will be able to "see" the files and I can copy them off... right? |
| 05:27.13 | nekostar | Eitan get the data saved before worrying about after |
| 05:27.16 | Dewi | helo_: in a kind of recursive way, reading closer and closer to failrues, and keeping a journal for resumes |
| 05:27.17 | nekostar | because |
| 05:27.26 | nekostar | AFTER personally i would run a badblocks |
| 05:27.48 | nekostar | "badblocks -p 3 -v " |
| 05:27.56 | Dewi | nekostar: there shouldn't be badblocks on the brand new target. If there are, you're in trouble |
| 05:27.59 | nekostar | that does 3 passes, and is extra verbose so you see whats going on |
| 05:28.04 | nekostar | Dewi i meant on the old one |
| 05:28.05 | nekostar | lol |
| 05:28.18 | Dewi | I'd bin the old one |
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| 05:28.31 | nekostar | i thought you were trying to do something else nvm that then |
| 05:28.34 | nekostar | but on the new one |
| 05:28.35 | Dewi | bad disk aren't worth the trouble :) |
| 05:28.56 | nekostar | well i havnt used gdd but i often do a dd for a whole device to a whole device |
| 05:28.58 | Dewi | I haven't mentioned smartmontools... that's very good for checking disk health before binning something |
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| 05:29.31 | Dewi | anyway I gotta go |
| 05:29.34 | Dewi | good luck, folks |
| 05:29.36 | helo_ | so you could make a single partition on some other drive (or just a big empty file), and then "dd if=result_from_ddrescue.img of=/functioning/block/device seek=2" to copy everything but the likely corrupted partition table? |
| 05:29.47 | Eitan | dewi: a thought.... if fdisk doesn't "damage" data... it can't make the drive worse than it its... couldn't I try to fdisk the bad drive now and see if that yields results? Can it hurt? |
| 05:30.02 | nekostar | helo_ format is as follows: |
| 05:30.04 | Dewi | helo_: if the partition table is corrupted, all you can copy is the whole drive which includes the broken partition table along with everything else |
| 05:30.13 | nekostar | dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=1024 |
| 05:30.18 | Dewi | helo_: but fdisk can always be instructed to create new partition structures on the target later |
| 05:30.20 | nekostar | though its good to add retrys etc |
| 05:30.52 | nekostar | i.e. i wouldnt worry about partition tables |
| 05:30.56 | nekostar | i would worry about teh data |
| 05:31.01 | Dewi | anyway gddrescue is just like the dd commands you guys are talking about, except gentler and smarter |
| 05:31.04 | nekostar | then fool with tables on the old drive |
| 05:31.12 | nekostar | Dewi yeah sounds nice |
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| 05:34.04 | Dewi | dd has 2 modes: "obsessive" and "reckless". gddrescue is gentle until all good data is copied, then persistently tries any remaining bad parts for as long as you want it to |
| 05:34.16 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:34.23 | helo_ | cdparanoia ftw :) |
| 05:34.30 | Nyle | cdparanoia? |
| 05:34.36 | Dewi | helo_: gddrescue > cdparanoia |
| 05:34.50 | Nyle | what are you guys talking about? |
| 05:35.07 | Nyle | Debian gathering tonight in brooklyn |
| 05:35.09 | Nyle | 7pm ish |
| 05:35.14 | Dewi | helo_: although... it's kind of silly to compare because gddrescue doesn't do anti-jitter stuff, just CRC based |
| 05:35.20 | Nyle | anyone wanna come drink and stuff? |
| 05:35.22 | helo_ | cdparanoia used to be a popular program for ripping audio off of possibly scratched cds |
| 05:35.49 | nekostar | well Nyle |
| 05:35.59 | nekostar | as much as i'd love to i live near los angeles ;_; |
| 05:36.08 | Nyle | stew's missus organized it |
| 05:36.12 | Nyle | I didn't find out about it until tonight |
| 05:36.13 | nekostar | o: |
| 05:36.19 | Nyle | when i checked my mail |
| 05:36.21 | nekostar | say hi to stew from nekostar/starscalling then plz |
| 05:36.22 | nekostar | :> |
| 05:36.24 | Nyle | I think there is a new dd in town |
| 05:36.31 | Nyle | he wants to meet the rest of us |
| 05:36.37 | nekostar | ? |
| 05:36.42 | Nyle | new debian developer |
| 05:36.49 | Nyle | recently moved to nyc |
| 05:37.01 | Nyle | i think he wants to intoduce himself |
| 05:37.15 | Nyle | or mabye hes not a dd yet but hes working on a debian prot |
| 05:37.16 | Nyle | port |
| 05:37.22 | Nyle | anyway |
| 05:37.27 | Nyle | I think im gonna go drink tonight |
| 05:37.39 | Nyle | nekostar, sure thing |
| 05:37.40 | Nyle | will do |
| 05:38.15 | Nyle | i think its int he same place it was last time |
| 05:38.24 | Nyle | I tried to drive there last time and i got lost |
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| 05:38.28 | Nyle | hehe |
| 05:38.32 | nekostar | lol |
| 05:38.37 | Nyle | but i made it 15 min late |
| 05:38.45 | nekostar | i wonder if they do stuff in LA much |
| 05:38.45 | nekostar | 15 aint bad |
| 05:38.51 | Nyle | you should find out if you have any DUGs in your area |
| 05:38.56 | helo_ | how nice it must be to live in a city with several debian users... |
| 05:38.58 | Nyle | Debian User Group |
| 05:39.15 | infotron | I dig DUG |
| 05:39.19 | infotron | HAH. |
| 05:39.21 | Nyle | indeed you do |
| 05:39.22 | Nyle | :) |
| 05:39.26 | Nyle | as we all did back in the day |
| 05:39.51 | Nyle | we have debian-nyc-social |
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| 05:39.55 | Nyle | mailing list |
| 05:39.56 | infotron | I'm more of a supaplex fan myself. 111 levels of pure unadulturated insanity. |
| 05:40.11 | balasyum | hi |
| 05:40.11 | Nyle | hm |
| 05:40.14 | nekostar | !DUG |
| 05:40.14 | dpkg | methinks debian doc is http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 05:40.14 | Nyle | i like tron lightcycle |
| 05:40.19 | nekostar | lol |
| 05:40.41 | balasyum | I can't set Debian (GNOME) to open my keystore on startup since I reinstalled my machine |
| 05:40.59 | Nyle | keystore? |
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| 05:41.07 | balasyum | password store |
| 05:41.07 | nekostar | keyring? |
| 05:41.10 | balasyum | yes! |
| 05:41.22 | nekostar | well |
| 05:41.23 | Nyle | uses kde |
| 05:41.23 | nekostar | first |
| 05:41.29 | nekostar | dont have the same pass as your user pass |
| 05:41.31 | balasyum | ohh, the localizations... :D |
| 05:41.40 | nekostar | second dont have it open it automagically |
| 05:41.46 | balasyum | last time I had that |
| 05:41.54 | balasyum | only I have access to my pc |
| 05:41.58 | nekostar | bah |
| 05:41.59 | balasyum | one password is enough |
| 05:42.28 | nekostar | what about when you have hookers over and walk away from watching free pr0n with said hooker ? |
| 05:42.42 | Nyle | what? |
| 05:42.44 | nekostar | hypothetically speaking of course |
| 05:42.48 | nekostar | :P |
| 05:42.50 | Nyle | the fuck... |
| 05:42.58 | nekostar | [one password is enough....] |
| 05:43.07 | balasyum | it is (in my case) |
| 05:43.14 | nekostar | well |
| 05:43.21 | nekostar | lets ask big brother google then |
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| 05:43.44 | balasyum | Package libpam-gnome-keyring |
| 05:43.45 | balasyum | got it |
| 05:43.56 | nekostar | dam |
| 05:43.57 | nekostar | lol |
| 05:44.03 | balasyum | was just hard to find out "keyring" :D |
| 05:44.03 | nekostar | i was about to paste |
| 05:44.12 | nekostar | yes that can be a bish :> |
| 05:44.20 | Nyle | bish? |
| 05:44.21 | balasyum | won't get localized next time |
| 05:44.23 | streuner | Nyle: How is life today? |
| 05:44.31 | Nyle | streuner, I ate too much |
| 05:44.36 | Nyle | now I suffer from indigestion |
| 05:44.49 | Nyle | when i went home I found out some crazy shit |
| 05:44.57 | Nyle | like the marriage thing |
| 05:45.03 | Nyle | aint gonna happen |
| 05:45.20 | Nyle | our families are not getting along so the children suffer, dumbass culture |
| 05:45.26 | Nyle | other than that, I got a new chic right away |
| 05:45.26 | nekostar | ouch |
| 05:45.32 | Nyle | I can't stand being single |
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| 05:45.34 | nekostar | lol |
| 05:46.07 | kokice | when i create a username is it automatecaly made in normal and shadow encryption? |
| 05:46.32 | kokice | both /etc/passwd and /etc/shadow are updated ? |
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| 05:46.58 | Nyle | streuner, http://s35.photobucket.com/albums/d192/anamanamanam/?action=view¤t=newhaircut-1.jpg |
| 05:47.15 | Nyle | streuner, shes the new one, what do you think |
| 05:47.15 | dondelelcaro | kokice: assuming shadow passwords are on (the default)), yes. |
| 05:47.44 | helo_ | bow-chicka-wow-wow's |
| 05:47.53 | kokice | dondelelcaro: ok i just turned it on by /sbin/shadowconfig on i also checked my /etc/shadow file and my username is there with the encryption |
| 05:47.57 | Nyle | streuner, you no in ot |
| 05:48.00 | Nyle | why come? |
| 05:48.12 | Nyle | streuner, join it man |
| 05:48.15 | Nyle | whats the matter with you |
| 05:48.18 | kokice | dondelelcaro: so by me turning shadow on, the way i log in and the way it identifys logins is through shadow ? |
| 05:48.20 | helo_ | ok, work is done, time for sleep... |
| 05:50.42 | Nyle | join #debian-offtopic |
| 05:50.49 | Nyle | streuner |
| 05:50.54 | Nyle | asshole! |
| 05:50.56 | Nyle | :( |
| 05:51.02 | dondelelcaro | kokice: the way it resolves passwords is using shadow; everything else is done using passwd. |
| 05:51.32 | Nyle | hey don is in LA isn't he |
| 05:51.38 | Nyle | aren't you |
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| 05:51.51 | Nyle | who was askin about debian users in there |
| 05:51.51 | dondelelcaro | near LA, yes. |
| 05:52.04 | nekostar | me |
| 05:52.09 | Nyle | there ya go |
| 05:52.11 | nekostar | o sup dondelelcaro ^_^ |
| 05:52.13 | Nyle | go drink with don |
| 05:52.18 | nekostar | i work downtown but live in teh valleh |
| 05:52.21 | nekostar | :> |
| 05:53.03 | nekostar | hey do you guys use debian for your desktop? |
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| 05:53.11 | Nyle | absofuckinglutely |
| 05:53.24 | Nyle | won't have it any other way |
| 05:53.24 | balasyum | has anyone used bttrack.bittorrent? |
| 05:53.30 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 05:53.31 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 05:53.32 | streuner | nekostar: sure, i use Debian most of the time for everything |
| 05:53.35 | nekostar | [and before someone uses a trigger, i mean those either a. looking at this, or b. those that have spoken recently :P ] |
| 05:53.40 | Nyle | streuner, hey man |
| 05:53.42 | nekostar | goddammit Nyle |
| 05:53.43 | nekostar | lol |
| 05:53.45 | balasyum | what to write to Announce URL? |
| 05:53.51 | balasyum | when creating the torrent |
| 05:54.00 | Nyle | no clue i never created a torrent |
| 05:54.02 | nekostar | what are you trying to do balasyum |
| 05:54.08 | nekostar | you want to run a local tracker? |
| 05:54.12 | balasyum | yes |
| 05:54.13 | nekostar | or do you want to make a .torrent |
| 05:54.14 | nekostar | ah |
| 05:54.17 | balasyum | both |
| 05:54.20 | nekostar | ya |
| 05:54.26 | Nyle | streuner, why did you ask me age? |
| 05:54.26 | nekostar | i would recommend just installing azureus |
| 05:54.29 | balasyum | the tracker seems to be running |
| 05:54.32 | nekostar | or even better wine+utorrent |
| 05:54.40 | Nyle | no |
| 05:54.44 | balasyum | utorrent ain't a tracker, is it? |
| 05:54.44 | Nyle | rtorrent |
| 05:54.56 | Nyle | no |
| 05:55.13 | balasyum | no clue? |
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| 05:55.38 | Nyle | nope |
| 05:55.40 | Nyle | I'm clueless |
| 05:56.02 | kokice | dondelelcaro: ok well do i need to do anything else other then turning it on and knowing more about it ? lol |
| 05:56.26 | balasyum | brb |
| 05:56.37 | nekostar | no utorrent isnt a tracker but to create and run torrents in general its great |
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| 05:56.45 | nekostar | but azureus is. |
| 05:56.55 | nekostar | and its got gui for everything, |
| 05:57.02 | Nyle | gooey |
| 05:57.04 | Nyle | nasty |
| 05:57.04 | nekostar | though you do pay the price of having to install java |
| 05:57.13 | Nyle | java isn't bad |
| 05:57.20 | Nyle | whats wrong with java? |
| 05:57.24 | infotron | it's downright ugly is all. |
| 05:57.47 | Nyle | you following a fucking retarded bandwagon or do you actually have something solid you can back up that up with? |
| 05:57.50 | infotron | java. reliable. interoperable. pick any two. |
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| 05:58.06 | infotron | forget the ugly comment. the last one stands though. |
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| 05:58.29 | Repossessed | Java makes baby Von Uemann cry |
| 05:58.29 | balasyum | nekostar, I needed information on creating the torrent |
| 05:58.42 | Repossessed | *Neumann |
| 05:58.42 | nekostar | did you read its manual? |
| 05:58.48 | nekostar | or try google? |
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| 05:58.49 | balasyum | Transmission is the default torrent client on Debian |
| 05:58.57 | nekostar | failmission |
| 05:59.06 | balasyum | on other tracker it's said: leave it empty, the tracker sets it |
| 05:59.09 | dondelelcaro | kokice: not really; you can pretty much ignore it. |
| 05:59.19 | dondelelcaro | balasyum: there's no default torrent client |
| 05:59.28 | balasyum | isn't there? |
| 05:59.29 | nekostar | balasyum your going to need your external ip, and port your going to run the tracker on |
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| 05:59.34 | balasyum | I installed this system yesterday |
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| 06:02.37 | kokice | dondelelcaro: ok |
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| 06:04.16 | f00li5h | wiat, what can java interoperate with? |
| 06:04.35 | f00li5h | haha, disregard that |
| 06:04.38 | infotron | f00li5h: ou ou! Nyle knowS! |
| 06:05.05 | f00li5h | o_O |
| 06:05.18 | infotron | nm. ;p |
| 06:06.20 | balasyum | how can I ensure that my tracker is working? |
| 06:06.39 | infotron | turn up the bass and kick a few notes? |
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| 06:12.11 | ootput | munt |
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| 06:19.16 | balasyum | Failure: Torrent is not authorized with this tracker |
| 06:19.25 | balasyum | how can I make it authorized? |
| 06:19.38 | balasyum | and to the browser it says: not tracking any files yet... |
| 06:19.48 | balasyum | wow |
| 06:19.50 | balasyum | it just changed |
| 06:19.52 | balasyum | but why :S |
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| 06:23.09 | Repossessed | So my sound card is dying... |
| 06:23.21 | Repossessed | Anybody know a good linux card? |
| 06:23.44 | rsk | anything based on the emu10k chip Repossessed |
| 06:23.56 | balasyum | bye |
| 06:24.35 | Repossessed | Did they actually manufacture those during this decade? |
| 06:24.36 | kokice | dondelelcaro: how about openssl ? how important is that |
| 06:24.42 | rsk | yes |
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| 06:24.57 | nano_ | what loads the ehci_hcd module? |
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| 06:29.47 | wols | nano_: I told you before. the answer won't change |
| 06:30.20 | wols | nano_: and you should go back to #ubuntu |
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| 06:30.37 | wols | cause we don't support your distro here |
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| 06:37.25 | PeterFA | Ugh, thanks for Debian! Finally, a distro with a decent package set that's maintained. |
| 06:37.39 | PeterFA | That actually runs at a reasonable speed and doesn't crash a lot. |
| 06:38.04 | trampolin | olleh! I'm trying to setup nut with /etc/ups/ups.conf but I have to put on the device path... |
| 06:38.10 | PeterFA | makes coughing sounds resembling the mention of a popular distribution. |
| 06:38.20 | trampolin | how can I know what device path my ups is? |
| 06:39.11 | folken | why can't i log in anymore, after I installed the ssh/openssl patches on etch? |
| 06:39.24 | cast | because you're using a blacklisted key maybe |
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| 06:39.25 | wols | folken: your ssh keys changed |
| 06:39.27 | folken | Connection Reset by peer. |
| 06:39.32 | trampolin | becuz ur key changed? |
| 06:39.41 | folken | then it would have complained.. |
| 06:39.48 | wols | then what cahoot said |
| 06:40.02 | wols | folken: did you regenerate the keys? |
| 06:40.23 | folken | wols: i installed the patch. |
| 06:40.30 | wols | that doesn't answer my question |
| 06:40.52 | folken | wols: i don't do this interactivly. i do this with puppet. |
| 06:41.13 | folken | wols: the packet install i mean. |
| 06:41.29 | wols | since you don't want to answer my questions, I won't talk to you anymore. bai |
| 06:41.30 | folken | wols: it just says yes, to whatever the option is selected in debconf. |
| 06:41.51 | trampolin | how can I know the path of a udb device? |
| 06:41.56 | wols | udb? |
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| 06:42.07 | trampolin | err: usb |
| 06:42.09 | wols | you mean usb? usually the kernel log tells you where it is |
| 06:42.42 | trampolin | it gives me: /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:12.0/0000:04:07.0/usb2/2-1/2-1:1.0 |
| 06:42.54 | trampolin | and of course there is no /devices |
| 06:43.08 | folken | trampolin: /sysfs/devices/... |
| 06:43.09 | wols | pastebin the output |
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| 06:46.23 | folken | wols: is the regenerating the keys something i have to do by hand? |
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| 06:47.22 | folken | wols: i.e. the package install does not do this? |
| 06:48.08 | trampolin | lol I'll just replace nut with apcupsd |
| 06:48.18 | trampolin | ty wols |
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| 06:49.24 | iateadonu2 | how do i change a helper application for icedove? |
| 06:49.31 | stony | morning |
| 06:49.31 | iateadonu2 | doesn't seem to work at all. |
| 06:49.45 | trampolin | stony: evening |
| 06:49.46 | folken | morning stony |
| 06:49.52 | iateadonu2 | or, how can i upgrade all the packages on my system. maybe icedove has been fixed. |
| 06:50.04 | folken | iateadonu2: aptitude safe-upgrade |
| 06:50.25 | iateadonu2 | thanks. |
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| 06:51.17 | iateadonu2 | but, before i do that, i should load up puppy and dd my root partition? |
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| 06:54.06 | folken | wols: sorry, but that is just downright rude. |
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| 06:55.59 | wols | iateadonu2: why dd it? |
| 06:56.33 | iateadonu2 | in case it breaks some of my other programs. |
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| 06:57.59 | iateadonu2 | i mean, in case the aptitude safe-upgrade breaks some of my other programs. |
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| 06:58.44 | cast | it'll be fine |
| 06:58.50 | iateadonu2 | the point is just to fix icedove, which doesn't seem to have any way to add a helper application, so each time i want to open a .tif file i have to find /usr/bin/kfaxview |
| 06:59.07 | iateadonu2 | ok. well, i'll take your word for it. |
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| 07:11.51 | iateadonu2 | i wanted to install mandvd on lenny... it said broken package and gave me the dependencies... went down four levels and found which package is broken. |
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| 07:12.16 | iateadonu2 | this just means that this package just can't be installed until lenny is completed? |
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| 07:13.40 | ootput | how do i hold packages set for upgrade in aptitude? |
| 07:13.52 | cydork | !hold |
| 07:13.53 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 07:13.53 | ootput | I remembered it as s-h, but this didn't stick |
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| 07:14.28 | ootput | + seems counter-intuitive |
| 07:14.56 | ootput | oh wait, i misread that |
| 07:15.36 | cydork | never uses curses interface.. |
| 07:15.59 | ootput | shame on you :) |
| 07:16.10 | ootput | batch processes are much easier |
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| 07:17.42 | cydork | nah i love the cli and i don't ever need anything more than that.. |
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| 07:24.54 | zxxxxd | hi |
| 07:25.23 | zxxxxd | does anyone know where i can find documentation about creating debian/ directories on source packages , and in turn creating debian packages? |
| 07:26.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | debian policy |
| 07:26.36 | Kamping_Kaiser | zxxxd, i'd suggest going and asking #debian-mentors on oftc if your going to be doing packagingy stuff too :) |
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| 07:27.19 | cydork | !tell zxxxxd -about nmg |
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| 07:40.36 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 07:40.36 | dpkg | i heard qotd34 is < primoturbo> how do I delete linux? < primoturbo> how do I delete debain and get something else < AciD> primoturbo > rm-rf / < primoturbo> Should I try OpenBSD? < asg> primoturbo: hahah |
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| 07:42.41 | fl0w | I'd like to install mail on my Debian Etch server. Do any of you have any recommendations to what I should use/read up on? |
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| 07:43.53 | optraz | i have a big map, is there to split the map so can print on A4 size paper |
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| 07:49.29 | shefqeti | fl0w: when you say install mail you mean to read mail or to have a mailserver? |
| 07:49.40 | fl0w | oh, sorry, mailserver |
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| 07:50.21 | shefqeti | fl0w: debian comes by default with exim. I'd say it's among the best mail servers |
| 07:50.37 | Ishot | hi |
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| 07:51.26 | KineticBug | Anyone have a decent guide for config/setting up of BIND? |
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| 07:52.10 | fl0w | shefqeti: so I thought, my there's no exim on my installation |
| 07:52.34 | fl0w | shefqeti: or so I believe. There's no exim folder under /etc/. |
| 07:52.34 | Guerin | KineticBug: there's one on tldp.org |
| 07:52.45 | KineticBug | Excellent, thanks |
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| 07:53.03 | eth01 | BIND isn't exactly easy to maintain anyway |
| 07:53.10 | eth01 | until you run into problems with it? :) |
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| 07:54.27 | optraz | i have a big map, is there to split the map so can print on A4 size paper |
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| 07:54.59 | shefqeti | fl0w: you can check more precisely with: "dpkg -l | grep exim" |
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| 07:55.43 | shefqeti | fl0w: otherwise you'd have to install it. |
| 07:55.53 | KineticBug | Well my problem is I have a server through a hosting company, problem is I need to set up name servers for my domains hosted there? Or can I use some default ones? I'm not sure. |
| 07:56.12 | fl0w | shefqeti: that's what I fear, I've never worked with mail daemons |
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| 07:56.33 | cast | they're much like femail daemons, only more tempered |
| 07:56.51 | Guerin | fail |
| 07:57.15 | Guerin | KineticBug: if you don't know anything about dns, don't even try to run BIND |
| 07:57.30 | Guerin | KineticBug: use granitecanyon or somesushc to host your DNS |
| 07:57.36 | KineticBug | Well that's why I'm trying to read up on it |
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| 07:57.41 | Guerin | or better yet, the servers your provider provides |
| 07:57.42 | KineticBug | Ok. |
| 07:57.43 | shefqeti | fl0w: you are installing in a computer that you alone use or you have to start directly with the server machine ? |
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| 07:58.28 | berzerka | what is this "rred" command running when the package list ist synchronized? i can find no manpage, documentation, or a web site on it. |
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| 08:01.46 | cydork | !dbugs 383853 |
| 08:01.50 | dpkg | #383853:M[apt] apt-get uses undocumented non-word "rred" in the user interface; Sun, 20 Aug 2006 00:48:02 UTC |
| 08:02.04 | cydork | berzerka: check replies to that bug.. |
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| 08:02.14 | tmroland | hello |
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| 08:04.38 | tmroland | i had a raid 1 on my debian 4 server, made of 2 hard drives of 40gb each, one day one of the hdds fails, but the raid is still running and i can write data to the array, then one day i replace the faulty drive with a new one and integrate it in the raid and then i copy the data from hdd1 to the added hdd2 but when i use my server(samba) parts of my data and files are missing |
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| 08:07.40 | aronofsky | hi , i was wondering , how can I use apt to get the list of available updates for a system in a file ? I try to use apt-get with special args but i cant find the right command to use ... anyone got an idea ? |
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| 08:10.50 | cr3rzemjest | wut |
| 08:11.03 | ddp` | some one use tb aarnet? |
| 08:11.03 | cr3rzemjest | !wut |
| 08:11.03 | dpkg | hmm... wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 08:11.32 | cr3rzemjest | !say wut |
| 08:11.32 | dpkg | wut |
| 08:11.48 | cr3rzemjest | xD |
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| 08:12.14 | aronofsky | cr3rzemjest: is that for me ? |
| 08:12.15 | Eulex_ | !botabuse |
| 08:12.15 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
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| 08:12.48 | tmroland | hello?? |
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| 08:12.57 | tmroland | i had a raid 1 on my debian 4 server, made of 2 hard drives of 40gb each, one day one of the hdds fails, but the raid is still running and i can write data to the array, then one day i replace the faulty drive with a new one and integrate it in the raid and then i copy the data from hdd1 to the added hdd2 but when i use my server(samba) parts of my data and files are missing |
| 08:13.35 | tmroland | (changed both hdds) |
| 08:13.39 | tmroland | with new ones |
| 08:13.45 | tmroland | and i copied data from the old one |
| 08:14.49 | fl0w | shefqeti: Sorry, got an ISP issue there :) anyway, I have a server machine, actually a virtual server, externally. |
| 08:15.03 | aronofsky | anyone can tell me how to get a list from available updates in a text file ? |
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| 08:16.36 | Garda | i just turned compiz fusion on |
| 08:16.41 | Garda | but i have no window decorations |
| 08:16.49 | Garda | how do i fix this |
| 08:17.57 | cr3rzemjest | aronofsky, hm, maybe apt-get upgrade -s > file and then u have listed what would be updated if u updated |
| 08:18.11 | shefqeti | fl0w: so that means nothing is damaged if you install and if you screw up, you purge and install again and start over ? |
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| 08:19.04 | fl0w | shefqeti: well, the mail I can screw up, but I have an httpd installation I have to keep clean |
| 08:19.14 | fl0w | shefqeti: but I guess that will not be affected. |
| 08:19.30 | shefqeti | flower: they don't have any reason to |
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| 08:19.53 | shefqeti | flower: they don't have any reason to be affected from each other that is |
| 08:20.04 | fl0w | shefqeti: yea.. |
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| 08:22.39 | up365 | Garda, try asking in #compiz-fusion, experts there ;) |
| 08:22.54 | shefqeti | fl0w: when installing exim, stick with the documentation of debian where configuration takes place. Use the exim.org documentation to better know how to fine tune and why. Debian has modified the location and the way the conf files are accessed and addressed. |
| 08:23.06 | cr3rzemjest | !wut |
| 08:23.07 | dpkg | i guess wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 08:23.20 | shefqeti | fl0w: but what is in those files is the same thing |
| 08:24.40 | fl0w | shefqeti: sounds about right, that's how I've been experiencing Debian in general. Everything' moved around, but the content is the same. |
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| 08:27.32 | shefqeti | fl0w: When I fisrt started with exim4 there was no proper debian package and there was only exim3. I had to have v4 so I had to do all with the exim.org site documentation. Now that exist both I find the debian modifications easier to maintain, more slick and tidy and easier to handle during upgrades. |
| 08:27.50 | aronofsky | cr3rzemjest: the problem is that apt-get upgrade -s > file will let the command pending as long as it asks for a confirmation by the user |
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| 08:29.33 | fl0w | shefqeti: sure, but mail is always crucial, and I don't feel like messing with it. I think I'll just buy an additional mail service for this to be handled by proper means. |
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| 08:30.38 | fl0w | shefqeti: that way I can configure exim, and not worry about it in the future .. |
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| 08:31.51 | shefqeti | fl0w: how many users are expected to be in your server? 10 ? 100 ? 1000 ? 10000 ? |
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| 08:32.34 | fl0w | today I'll be having exactly 8 mail users |
| 08:32.36 | optraz | i have a big map, is there to split the map so can print on A4 size paper |
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| 08:34.24 | shefqeti | fl0w: I think you wouldn't need to buy the mail service as you will be able to handle all with a self installed exim in the virtual machine. debian exim installation works right after installation for all local users |
| 08:34.50 | fl0w | shefqeti: including pop/imap? |
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| 08:34.57 | fl0w | (I need both) |
| 08:36.01 | shefqeti | fl0w: exim is only a smtp server. for pop3 and imap I'd go with courier-pop and courier-imap |
| 08:36.42 | shefqeti | fl0w: though courier also has smtp and if you want to be unified you might want to check courier for all of those |
| 08:36.45 | wols | shefqeti: or dovecot |
| 08:37.20 | shefqeti | wols: yeap, that too |
| 08:37.37 | fl0w | shefqeti: huh.. you see, there's to much to get into :) I'll just buy (as in the company) the mail service and I can play around w/o pressure. It has to be done today :) |
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| 08:38.59 | shefqeti | fl0w: than that's what you will do. If you're hard pressed for time, that's what sanity dictates to do :D |
| 08:39.22 | fl0w | shefqeti: hehe, thank you for your help though |
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| 08:39.36 | shefqeti | fl0w: you're welcome |
| 08:39.48 | ne2k__ | hello all. I'm trying to install Skype using their official Skype repository, which has an apt sources.list line of "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free". The trouble is, my architecture is amd-64, but they only have an i386 repository. I suspect the i386 one might work -- is there a way to pretend my architecture is i386 just for that sources line, or should I... |
| 08:39.49 | fl0w | shefqeti: I'll have to setup exim to be able to create mailing-lists and such with easy through our intranet |
| 08:39.50 | ne2k__ | ...install it manually? |
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| 08:39.57 | fl0w | ease* |
| 08:40.17 | Aileron_01 | hi! can anyone tell me how to provide username and pwd when mounting a nfs share? i tried "mount -t nfs machine:/dir /mountpoint" and of course i get a permission denied error |
| 08:41.32 | psycodad | Aileron_01: check your /etc/exports if the client is allowed to mount the nfs share. |
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| 08:42.10 | shefqeti | fl0w: I haven't had much need to do mailing lists. Depending on the list's complexity and features that you require, there exist software that specifically handles mailing lists. For me, I've done well with /etc/aliases for crude mailing list get-aways. |
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| 08:42.33 | Aileron_01 | the nfs share is on a nas-box, i cannot access it via ssh or similar |
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| 08:43.38 | psycodad | Aileron_01: you should be able to set somehwere in nfs config on the nas to what networks/hosts the nfs is exported (at least I hope so) |
| 08:44.26 | Aileron_01 | hm... i'll try that... |
| 08:44.34 | psycodad | afaik, nfs only auths based on ip and identd, not passwords |
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| 08:45.49 | Aileron_01 | lol there is a menu at the web interface, it just looks like that: NFS Support: [x] Enable [ ] Disable |
| 08:46.00 | shefqeti | ahhh nfs. Why oh why exim still feels shaky for having the mailboxes in a nfs mounted partition. I could so much use the feature. |
| 08:46.31 | tmrolan1 | i have a debian 4 server with raid 1 with 2 hard drives of 40gb, one day one hdd fails, raid still works, data still can be written to array, another day i change both hdds with bigger ones and remake the raid and copy data to new raid, yet parts of data and files are missing after |
| 08:46.40 | psycodad | Aileron_01: hmmm...quite sophisticated settings, think well before messing with it ;) |
| 08:46.48 | Aileron_01 | *g* |
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| 08:47.20 | psycodad | Aileron_01: and such sophisticated devices sure have a wealth of logs to examine what happened...(zynic..) |
| 08:47.20 | Aileron_01 | i tried to connect via samba as well but then it says "mount error: cifs filesystem not supported by the system" |
| 08:47.40 | cr3rzemjest | !wtf |
| 08:48.46 | cr3rzemjest | nickometer cr3rzemjest |
| 08:48.46 | Aileron_01 | using a regular mount -t smbfs -o username=usr //machine/share ./mp/ |
| 08:48.50 | cr3rzemjest | oops |
| 08:48.57 | cr3rzemjest | !nickometer cr3rzemjest |
| 08:48.59 | dpkg | 'cr3rzemjest' is 22.000% lame, cr3rzemjest |
| 08:49.35 | psycodad | Aileron_01: try with smbclient, maybe it gives a more helpful error msg. |
| 08:49.37 | tmrolan1 | !nickometer tmrolan1 |
| 08:49.39 | dpkg | 'tmrolan1' is 22.000% lame, tmrolan1 |
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| 08:56.21 | tapas | hi, i'm writing an init script which mounts some volumes after the automounter has kicked in |
| 08:56.24 | aronofsky | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:56.48 | tapas | the debian policy manual now says that init scripts must behave sanely if called with argument "start" multiple times |
| 08:57.19 | Sebboh | Hi. cron isn't sending mail. I don't think that the system is capable of sending mail, actually. I just did a base install, I didn't tasksel anything at all (like 'standard system'). So, what should I install so that cron can send mail? |
| 08:57.27 | cr3rzemjest | aronofsky, press ctrl-c after 7 seconds |
| 08:57.41 | cr3rzemjest | :P |
| 08:57.45 | aronofsky | cr3rzemjest: i cant , i want to use that in a script |
| 08:58.30 | tapas | so i want to avoid mounting the volumes again |
| 08:58.36 | tapas | how to do that? lockfiles? |
| 08:58.41 | Sebboh | aronofsky, doesn't apt-get have a no-op command argument? |
| 08:58.51 | tapas | or just a file in /tmp of which i check the existance? |
| 08:58.58 | shefqeti | Sebboh: well. Cron is just a timer. It starts anything at the given time. What you must do is tell cron when to send email and how to do that. |
| 08:59.21 | aronofsky | Sebboh: well -s for simulate , but it still asks for a confirmation |
| 08:59.29 | Sebboh | tapas, not /tmp, /var. And, are you sure it isn't harmless to call mount again when it's already mounted? |
| 08:59.36 | Sebboh | aronofsky, I see. |
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| 08:59.56 | tapas | Sebboh: no i am not |
| 08:59.57 | Sebboh | shefqeti, man 1 cron; man 5 crontab |
| 09:00.54 | shefqeti | Sebboh: "No manual entry for cron in section 1". Seems I need a coffee |
| 09:01.39 | tapas | Sebboh: is it? |
| 09:01.46 | Sebboh | shefqeti, erm, sorry, it's in section 8. :) But yes, cron sends mail. |
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| 09:02.02 | cr3rzemjest | if confirmation to get rid of u seek, option -y u shall add. |
| 09:03.29 | Sebboh | tapas, there are a lot of different file systems, I don't know which one you're using. But in my experience, I haven't broken anything by accidentally trying to mount an already mounted FS. Also, check out mount -a |
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| 09:03.47 | Sebboh | aronofsky, have you looked at cron-apt ? |
| 09:03.47 | shefqeti | Sebboh: I see. I didn't know and never had the need for cron to send email. Good to know. |
| 09:03.57 | tapas | Sebboh: well, we mount from nfs... |
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| 09:04.12 | aronofsky | Sebboh: actually -s -y will do the job , thx |
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| 09:04.15 | tapas | Sebboh: i guess putting the fs as non-auto int fstab and simply calling mount -a might work |
| 09:04.18 | tapas | hmm |
| 09:04.24 | tapas | s/int/into/ |
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| 09:04.55 | aNOOBisa | Hi can anyone tell me what 'swiotlb=force' is and does? |
| 09:05.03 | tapas | and actually we mount some directories served by one nfs server over directories that live in fs's mounted from another nfs server ;) |
| 09:05.04 | aNOOBisa | is it a kernel module? |
| 09:05.14 | tapas | [don't ask! i'm just doing my job ;)] |
| 09:05.23 | Sebboh | shefqeti, it sends mail when your process exits with an error. :) Quite useful. Usually observed one week after the sysadmin quits, and the VP starts asking people why he's getting mail from some guy named Cron. |
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| 09:06.18 | optraz | i have a big map, is there to split the map so can print on A4 size paper |
| 09:06.26 | tapas | lol btw: this is the first time i have to deal with nfs and i already hate it |
| 09:06.27 | tapas | ;) |
| 09:06.42 | shefqeti | lol Sebboh |
| 09:07.02 | Aileron_01 | @ tapas: same here... first time nfs and i hate it |
| 09:07.06 | Sebboh | optraz, scissors. |
| 09:07.08 | aNOOBisa | Hi can anyone tell me what 'swiotlb=force' is and does? |
| 09:07.18 | tapas | i already have a hanging mount point |
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| 09:07.22 | tapas | which is ununmountable |
| 09:07.29 | tapas | and even lsof hangs when called on it |
| 09:07.33 | aNOOBisa | passed as a kernel boot parameter! |
| 09:08.09 | tapas | umount says it's busy but since lsof doesn't return i don't know why it's busy |
| 09:08.11 | tapas | doh |
| 09:08.13 | Sebboh | tapas, think of your servers as in a FILO queue.. the NFS server needs to be the first up and the last down. :) |
| 09:08.30 | tapas | Sebboh: hmmm |
| 09:08.37 | tapas | i'll reboot the damn box |
| 09:08.55 | tapas | oh great |
| 09:08.58 | tapas | ssh to it hangs, too |
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| 09:10.10 | |hirr| | i have 'D' as a status for a process in top (and ps too), what does that mean ? |
| 09:10.49 | jelly | |hirr|: the process is waiting for an I/O operation |
| 09:11.19 | |hirr| | jelly, is there any referential of those status chars ? |
| 09:12.00 | jelly | |hirr|: hm. man ps, /PROCESS STATE CODES |
| 09:12.00 | shefqeti | |hirr|: D Uninterruptible sleep (usually IO) |
| 09:12.09 | cahoot | optraz: might look at poster |
| 09:12.13 | shefqeti | |hirr|: exactly how jelly found it |
| 09:13.01 | |hirr| | thanks ! |
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| 09:15.08 | jelly | !nickometer [o] |
| 09:15.10 | dpkg | '[o]' is 10.000% lame, jelly |
| 09:15.28 | shefqeti | !nickometer shefqeti |
| 09:15.29 | dpkg | 'shefqeti' is 0.000% lame, shefqeti |
| 09:15.43 | shefqeti | interesting |
| 09:15.55 | tapas | !nickometer dpkg |
| 09:15.57 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, tapas |
| 09:16.05 | tapas | oh well, what else have i expected? |
| 09:16.18 | et | shefqeti: he only counts special chars, letter-only nicks will be 0% all the time unless they contain profanity iirc |
| 09:16.28 | et | !nickometer ass |
| 09:16.30 | dpkg | 'ass' is 0.000% lame, et |
| 09:16.33 | et | hmm. |
| 09:16.44 | et | maybe the profanity checks are only in some versions ;) |
| 09:16.46 | jelly | the ass has all legs unbroken! |
| 09:16.52 | tapas | profanity is not lame, bitches |
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| 09:17.10 | jelly | !nickometer c001n|cK |
| 09:17.10 | `` | !nickometer `` |
| 09:17.11 | dpkg | 'c001n|cK' is 64.000% lame, jelly |
| 09:17.11 | dpkg | '``' is 38.000% lame, `` |
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| 09:18.11 | apfuelk | ha |
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| 09:20.11 | Aileron_01 | once again, my nfs mount problem... still not solved. i now have figured out how to configure nfs shares on the nas box. for a particular share it now says # mount -t nfs 192.168.0.80:/raid0/data/christoph ./nas/ |
| 09:20.12 | Aileron_01 | mount: Protocol not supported |
| 09:20.20 | tapas | Sebboh: FYI: it is possible to mount the FS multiple times at the same mountpoint |
| 09:20.33 | Sebboh | ouch. |
| 09:20.36 | tapas | and then it also needs to be unmounted several times |
| 09:20.53 | Sebboh | Sorry for pointing you in the wrong direction, tapas. :( |
| 09:21.26 | tapas | Sebboh: no prob :) the umount -a tip wasn't so bad though i guess. |
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| 09:22.00 | tapas | Sebboh: and also maybe it's different for volumes listed in fstab |
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| 09:22.04 | tapas | cheching it out |
| 09:22.48 | Sebboh | oh, well, of course mount -a won't attempt to mount something that's already mounted.. |
| 09:22.53 | Sebboh | if that's worth anything. |
| 09:23.13 | tapas | true |
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| 09:25.49 | Sebboh | Huh. Someone is playing with the bot. It has msged me some unrequested data. |
| 09:25.58 | tapas | ok, then about the "lock" file.. the debian policy manual doesn't say that init scripts must be prepared to be called concurrently |
| 09:26.11 | tapas | so i guess i don't need the full blown lockfile action for it |
| 09:26.42 | et | Sebboh: it tells you the nick though, doesn't it? |
| 09:26.53 | et | dpkg: tell et about nvidia_post_etch |
| 09:26.59 | Sebboh | What does a half solution consist of, and how is it easier? :) |
| 09:27.27 | Sebboh | et: "<dpkg> the 'lame nick-o-meter' reading for `1234}{|3][ is 99.9419%, Sebboh" |
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| 09:27.30 | tapas | Sebboh: touch, test -e and remove? |
| 09:28.46 | Sebboh | ... test -e, touch, then remove.. :) I don't understand why that general design wouldn't catch concurrent runs, and only let the first one proceed. |
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| 09:29.24 | tapas | Sebboh: well, the order depends on whether it's start, stop or force-reload |
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| 09:30.25 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 09:30.43 | fas3r | it's possible to test the number of day by month ? |
| 09:30.53 | tapas | Sebboh: well, locking for concurrent access is not trivial in unix systems |
| 09:31.04 | tapas | it's out of my league though to explain all the details.. |
| 09:31.53 | tapas | but an init script should not run more than once _at the same time_, right? |
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| 09:32.38 | Sebboh | tapas, yeah, exactly. and furthermore, if the end result of such a rare event is not data loss.. |
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| 09:34.23 | tapas | ok, this stuff should work now, i guess.. |
| 09:35.59 | fas3r | how to list last created files ? ( for last 5 ) |
| 09:36.45 | Sebboh | Question. I have an SMTP server set up on my lan. mail.local let's say. It relays mail to the real world. I have a debian lenny box that I want send mail from, from like sendmail -s "subject". What do I need to install? |
| 09:36.57 | Sebboh | fas3r, uh, in a certain directory? ls -alrt |
| 09:37.26 | Sebboh | the files modified most recently are at the bottom of the list for easy viewing. |
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| 09:38.14 | jberg | hey, how can i mount a ntfs partition? i need some files there, don't need to write it |
| 09:38.19 | jberg | write to it* |
| 09:38.31 | et | ntfs-3g |
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| 09:38.54 | cast | there's ntfs.ko |
| 09:39.25 | jberg | thanks |
| 09:39.27 | cast | just mount -t ntfs and see what happens, i have etchnahalf kernel though..can't reember what etch kernel has |
| 09:39.27 | tapas | Sebboh: i don't think you need anything.. maybe install mailx, as it's easier to use IIRC |
| 09:39.31 | Sebboh | jberg, if you only need to do it once, consider just booting one of those handy dandy live CDs that automounts everything it can find. |
| 09:39.38 | tapas | Sebboh: all mailx needs to know is the SMTP server afaik |
| 09:40.09 | Sebboh | tapas, I need a sendmail command, not mailx. I think. Cron uses sendmail, ya? |
| 09:40.45 | fas3r | if you prefer i need to create script who backup sql database all day ( no problem for this it's done). But the second thing is my script need after every weeks erase the last 5 backup. |
| 09:41.00 | tapas | Sebboh: ah ok.. no idea :) but anyways. even sendmail shouldn't need anything other than the smtp server address, no? |
| 09:41.52 | Sebboh | sure, but I don't have sendmail. :) |
| 09:42.00 | fas3r | for example one weeks it's backup monday, thuesday ... to sunday and the sunday it erase the thueasday, wednesday,... saturday .. |
| 09:42.11 | et | caturday! |
| 09:42.16 | et | *runs* |
| 09:42.38 | tapas | Sebboh: exim4 should provide the nessecary stuff i guess |
| 09:42.39 | Sebboh | fas3r, have your backup solution keep a log file. |
| 09:42.56 | fas3r | Sebboh: no but it's possible i add this |
| 09:42.58 | fas3r | why ? |
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| 09:43.47 | Sebboh | fas3r, head -5 mylistoffiles.txt ? |
| 09:44.12 | Sebboh | tapas, ahh: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fsbin%2Fsendmail&mode=exactfilename&suite=testing&arch=any |
| 09:44.15 | tapas | Sebboh: erm, forget what i just said.. |
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| 09:44.55 | fas3r | Sebboh: and :) ? |
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| 09:46.40 | Sebboh | fas3r, I'm suggesting that you keep a list of files in use... and use it as input for your old-backup-deleting script. But, I can't write it for you at the moment. :) Just suggesting a strategy |
| 09:47.07 | fas3r | yes it's good thing :) |
| 09:47.09 | fas3r | thank |
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| 09:59.13 | made_of_storm | brb |
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| 10:02.12 | efaistos_ | does anyone use GNOME here ? any issue with sid ? |
| 10:03.10 | mordy | is there any programming environment or text editor which gives tool tips for data types and required arguments, akin to microsofts' visual-*? |
| 10:04.35 | cast | vim has omnicompletion |
| 10:04.51 | cast | ...wait, that just completes |
| 10:04.54 | cast | hides |
| 10:06.49 | mordy | gah, how do i exit this vim now? |
| 10:06.55 | mordy | how do i even use it? |
| 10:08.12 | Aileron_01 | anyone has a clue what that means when trying to mount a nfs share? |
| 10:08.12 | Aileron_01 | mount -t nfs 192.168.0.80:/raid/data/christoph /mnt/nas/ -o nolock |
| 10:08.13 | Aileron_01 | mount.nfs: Protocol not supported |
| 10:09.25 | Aileron_01 | showmount -e 192.168.0.80 provides this output: |
| 10:09.25 | Aileron_01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.50 | Aileron_01 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.09 | Aileron_01 | 'toph 192.168.0.2 |
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| 10:10.40 | Aileron_01 | '/raid0/data/christoph 192.168.0.2 |
| 10:11.03 | Aileron_01 | sry, thats what it says, so i should be able to mount it the way mentioned above |
| 10:11.04 | cydork | mordy: emacs _can_ do what you want, but it's not default behaviour. I think you should try eclipse or netbeans.. |
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| 10:12.11 | cydork | mordy: oh yes and type :q to exit from vi. |
| 10:12.14 | cast | http://vimdoc.sourceforge.net/htmldoc/version7.html#new-omni-completion says how much it completes |
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| 10:13.04 | cast | when you start vim it says how to quite |
| 10:13.08 | cast | quit* |
| 10:13.11 | kokice | in what case should i not disable RPC service? |
| 10:13.13 | mordy | hehe intellisense, that's what i'm looking for |
| 10:13.15 | kokice | i only run web server |
| 10:13.28 | cast | kokice: disable disable disable |
| 10:13.43 | kokice | cast are you sure? |
| 10:14.12 | cast | remove that portmap! |
| 10:14.32 | kokice | what is portmap exactly? |
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| 10:15.15 | cast | aptitude knows |
| 10:15.21 | kokice | mapping ONC RPC program number |
| 10:15.27 | kokice | whats ONC RPC program number lol |
| 10:15.35 | kokice | ask it |
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| 10:16.05 | kokice | cast when i remove should i use --purge ? |
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| 10:16.16 | cast | sure, why not |
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| 10:19.32 | kokice | cast dpkg --purge portmap will remove portmap and configs? |
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| 10:19.54 | cast | i alwayse just use aptitude |
| 10:19.57 | cast | so say |
| 10:20.03 | cast | aptitude purge portmap |
| 10:20.07 | kokice | ok |
| 10:20.11 | mordy | meh, vim isn't too pretty. what's emacs? |
| 10:20.18 | cast | though i hear purge in aptitude doesn't do a good job, i'm not worried |
| 10:21.07 | kokice | cast, http://pastebin.com/m58a498d8 |
| 10:21.14 | mordy | !emacs |
| 10:21.14 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift], or http://emacswiki.org/, #emacs @ irc.freenode.net |
| 10:21.31 | kokice | does that mean i shouldnt remove it then? |
| 10:21.39 | flokuehn | btm-ub pptp 4hw90fz83 * |
| 10:21.48 | cast | kokice: that means use aptitude :> |
| 10:21.55 | flokuehn | mistake |
| 10:22.26 | kokice | cast ok i dont need the -- ? |
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| 10:23.04 | kokice | ok |
| 10:23.10 | kokice | couple of questions lol |
| 10:23.19 | kokice | why didnt it work with dpkg? and did with apptitude? |
| 10:23.30 | kokice | nfs-common will be broken ? should i worry |
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| 10:24.10 | kokice | wait it is |
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| 10:24.31 | kokice | so remove nfs-common and rpc service?? |
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| 10:27.06 | tycale | Hi |
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| 10:27.46 | tycale | I'm trying to install my HD4850 (ati) graphic card on my Debian/lenny |
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| 10:28.06 | tycale | And I need some help ^^ |
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| 10:29.24 | mordy | err.. what was the other one? netbeans? |
| 10:29.57 | tycale | eclipse ? |
| 10:30.02 | mordy | where do i get it from? emacs is rather hillarious and funny, but i haven't got the faintest clue as how to use it |
| 10:30.27 | mordy | emacs=eclipse? |
| 10:30.34 | tycale | no |
| 10:30.48 | tycale | Eclipse is a IDE for Java |
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| 10:31.05 | maligor | Eclipse is a modular ide written IN Java, not for Java |
| 10:31.09 | mordy | oh |
| 10:31.11 | Eulex_ | tycale, http://gitweb.freedesktop.org/?p=xorg/driver/xf86-video-ati.git;a=commit;h=b4d1a47b5c6eafda5e274398eebe2701b030f22e |
| 10:31.13 | tycale | But with plugin you can use it with PHP and other ... |
| 10:31.45 | mordy | i've never liked java programs. for some reason they just look ugly |
| 10:31.57 | tycale | lol |
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| 10:32.04 | tycale | emacs and vim are good :p |
| 10:32.33 | Eulex_ | tycale, http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ati_radeonhd_4850&num=1 |
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| 10:32.54 | tycale | ok Eulex_, but "adds pci ids and one register from AMD code" |
| 10:33.08 | tycale | (my english is really poor) |
| 10:33.10 | mordy | emacs is hillarious - but i wish there was something more similar to visual studio (yes yes, evil MS) |
| 10:33.37 | Eulex_ | tycale, so, catalyst 8.6 or newer will support your card, or a git snapshot ot the open source ati driver will give you working 2d, but not 3d |
| 10:33.43 | Eulex_ | *of |
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| 10:33.44 | tycale | Kdevelop ? |
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| 10:34.09 | mordy | hmm... |
| 10:34.21 | biatche | how can i get information of the total size used of /a/directory/here ? |
| 10:34.22 | tycale | Eulex_: heu, and if I want 3d ? |
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| 10:34.36 | Eulex_ | tycale, fglrx/catalyst 8.6. |
| 10:34.40 | darkterror46 | greetings |
| 10:34.56 | internat | biatche: du? |
| 10:34.59 | mordy | hmm... looks interesting - i wonder if it has 'intellisense' |
| 10:34.59 | castoff | biatche du -sh |
| 10:35.01 | tycale | Eulex_: I've installed it (i think so) |
| 10:35.09 | darkterror46 | could someone tell me where can i find a list of the official debian 4.o repos? |
| 10:35.13 | tycale | i've got aticonfig and other things like that |
| 10:35.19 | Eulex_ | tycale, 8.6? |
| 10:35.21 | biatche | excellent |
| 10:35.24 | internat | !mirror |
| 10:35.25 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 10:35.46 | internat | there you go darkterror46 |
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| 10:35.59 | darkterror46 | thank you :) |
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| 10:36.06 | tycale | Eulex_: Driver Version 8.50.3 - Catalyst Control Center Version 1.11 |
| 10:36.08 | danielvrf | good morning |
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| 10:36.13 | biatche | what about information like the total number of files? total number of directories? |
| 10:36.15 | biatche | is this possible? |
| 10:36.23 | darkterror46 | !netselect-apt |
| 10:36.23 | dpkg | netselect takes a bunch of servers and uses multiple pings + traceroute to figure out which one has the best connectivity relative to you (choose the best mirror), or see http://students.washington.edu/eeyem/software/netsel.pl for a quickie perl script to pick the best debian mirror, or netselect-apt will find the fastest debian mirror and write a sources.list file for you!. Ask me about <netselect.etch> |
| 10:36.34 | Eulex_ | tycale, that should be it, the fglrx version is supposed to be 8.50 for catalyst 8.6 |
| 10:36.48 | tycale | Eulex_: fglrx-driver_8.501-1_amd64.deb |
| 10:36.50 | Eulex_ | tycale, so, the problem is? |
| 10:37.11 | tycale | Eulex_: OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 10:37.11 | mordy | tycale - kdevelop makes me feel more comfortable- but does it support that intellisense-ish feature? |
| 10:37.17 | castoff | biatche look at find and pipe it to wc -l |
| 10:37.25 | biatche | ok ty |
| 10:37.26 | Eulex_ | tycale, did you read your Xorg.0.log? |
| 10:37.36 | tycale | hu, no ? |
| 10:37.43 | Eulex_ | tycale, take a look in /var/log/ |
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| 10:37.50 | mrak | hello there |
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| 10:38.51 | Wolfclaw | is there a simple command line util that shows real time network usage stats, like upload/download speed? |
| 10:39.06 | Eulex_ | Wolfclaw, jnettop |
| 10:39.12 | mrak | jnettop |
| 10:39.14 | mrak | ;) |
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| 10:39.14 | Wolfclaw | ty |
| 10:39.32 | tycale | Eulex_: http://nopaste.org/p/aqwZq5RSB |
| 10:39.33 | tycale | >< |
| 10:39.37 | Wolfclaw | hows ntop, i think it would be really heavy |
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| 10:39.59 | Wolfclaw | yep its running daemons now :/ |
| 10:40.45 | tycale | Eulex_: I don't understand my Xorg.log :-' |
| 10:40.53 | Eulex_ | tycale, do you have the fglrx kernel module built and loaded? |
| 10:41.05 | mrak | i search any usable cluster fs, did u met anything |
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| 10:41.36 | tycale | I've build .deb with sudo sh ati-... and i've install with dpkg -i fglrx-* |
| 10:41.58 | Eulex_ | tycale, that's not an answer to my question. |
| 10:42.18 | tycale | How can I answer to you ? :p |
| 10:42.24 | Eulex_ | lsmod will list loaded kernel modules |
| 10:42.37 | Eulex_ | and the relevant file you need to have is named fglrx.ko |
| 10:43.02 | tycale | lsmod | grep fglrx => nil |
| 10:43.36 | wols | tycale: why did you use the ati installer? |
| 10:43.36 | tycale | yes, I think so |
| 10:43.41 | wols | that is no answer either |
| 10:43.47 | tycale | I've to try again ? |
| 10:43.56 | wols | why did you not use debian packages? |
| 10:44.01 | mordy | how do i get code completion to work in kdevelop? |
| 10:44.09 | tycale | wols: sudo sh ati-driver-installer-8-6-x86.x86_64.run ? |
| 10:44.30 | wols | why did you not use debian packages? |
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| 10:44.46 | wols | ah, hd4850 |
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| 10:45.18 | wols | !tell tycale about fr |
| 10:45.19 | Eulex_ | well, he could've backported the fglrx packages from unstable if he's running etch |
| 10:45.39 | wols | Eulex_: lenny. but: does sid support 4850? |
| 10:45.41 | tycale | wols: lol :D |
| 10:45.51 | wols | !lol |
| 10:45.51 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:45.54 | Eulex_ | wols, it has catalyst 8.6. |
| 10:46.04 | wols | good to know thanks |
| 10:46.11 | tycale | I'm on catalyst 8.5 here |
| 10:46.16 | aNOOBisa | hehehe |
| 10:46.24 | aNOOBisa | !heh |
| 10:46.24 | dpkg | Many would say that heh is #debian's favourite word, so not a good idea for your nick if you want hilighting to work. "heh" is not punctuation, so do not use it as such. |
| 10:46.25 | wols | tycale: if you need support for a ati.com installer: ask ati, not us |
| 10:46.26 | tycale | It isn't good ? |
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| 10:46.47 | aNOOBisa | !hah |
| 10:46.50 | tmroland | hi |
| 10:46.53 | wols | no it's not. and go to #debian-fr or such for help. your english is too poor to be useful |
| 10:46.53 | Eulex_ | tycale, you had fglrx 8.50. the version number is different from the one for catalyst. |
| 10:47.10 | Eulex_ | tycale, and fglrx 8.50.x means catalyst 8.6. |
| 10:47.23 | wols | tycale: what is your native language? |
| 10:47.33 | tycale | ATI Proprietary Linux Driver 8.501 Setup |
| 10:47.42 | tycale | wols: french, I'm belgian |
| 10:47.43 | wols | Eulex_: do you think he understands? so far he's shown he doesn't |
| 10:47.49 | wols | !fr |
| 10:47.49 | dpkg | [fr] Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 10:48.00 | wols | go there. they have a french channel. your english is too poor |
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| 10:48.10 | tycale | sorry :| |
| 10:48.44 | tmroland | i have debian 4 on server with raid 1 with 2 40gb hard drives.one day a hard drive fails and raid still works, writing data to array is ok. another day i decide to replace the raid with 2 x 80gb hard drives in raid1. so i copy the data from the old raid 40gb hdd that was not faulty one, and i see later parts of my data and files are missing. why this happened |
| 10:48.57 | Eulex_ | wols, perhaps, perhaps not. I'm not so sure language is the barrier, he perhaps just is not very familiar with linux. |
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| 10:49.29 | wols | Eulex_: he clearly doesn't understand what you say. telling him version numbres like you is no specific linux knowledge |
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| 10:54.46 | tycale | Eulex_: \o/ |
| 10:54.53 | tycale | OpenGL renderer string: ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series |
| 10:54.59 | tycale | Thanks you =) |
| 10:55.55 | tmroland | i have debian 4 on server with raid 1 with 2 40gb hard drives.one day a hard drive fails and raid still works, writing data to array is ok. another day i decide to replace the raid with 2 x 80gb hard drives in raid1. so i copy the data from the old raid 40gb hdd that was not faulty one, and i see later parts of my data and files are missing. why this happened |
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| 10:57.09 | darkterror46 | could someone help me? i'm new to debian and i need to install the kernel source how can i identify the that package? |
| 11:00.08 | castoff | darkterror46 apt-cache search linux-source |
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| 11:00.26 | darkterror46 | thank you :) |
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| 11:01.13 | darkterror46 | you are a life saver castoff |
| 11:01.31 | Eulex_ | tycale, guess you needed to load the kernel module? |
| 11:01.31 | [Jasper] | hello guys, I'm trying to run proftpd on debian...but am getting connection closed by remote hots |
| 11:01.35 | castoff | nah i've been where u r |
| 11:01.35 | [Jasper] | when I try to telnet to the port |
| 11:01.38 | [Jasper] | anyone got any ideas? |
| 11:02.08 | tycale | Eulex_: true :p |
| 11:02.26 | castoff | [Jasper] telnet bor ftp? |
| 11:02.36 | castoff | for even |
| 11:02.42 | [Jasper] | to try it castoff |
| 11:02.48 | tycale | But ATI drivers are bad with Linux -> 70 fps on Urban terror :( |
| 11:03.04 | tycale | Is it going to improve with time ? |
| 11:03.07 | castoff | [Jasper] you need to ftp not telnet |
| 11:03.35 | [Jasper] | I know castoff |
| 11:03.47 | [Jasper] | but the ftp server won't allow any connections...that's why I was trying telnet |
| 11:03.54 | [Jasper] | proftpd is putting this in syslog - FTP session closed. |
| 11:04.26 | castoff | [Jasper] running a firewall? |
| 11:05.44 | [Jasper] | yes castoff, but port 21 is open |
| 11:06.06 | castoff | [Jasper] i haven't used proftpd but it masy use an /etc/ftpusers file too |
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| 11:07.11 | [Jasper] | castoff |
| 11:07.12 | [Jasper] | hostname:/var/log/proftpd# ftp ip |
| 11:07.12 | [Jasper] | Connected to ip. |
| 11:07.12 | [Jasper] | 421 Service not available, remote server has closed connection |
| 11:07.12 | [Jasper] | ftp> |
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| 11:07.25 | castoff | [Jasper] is there a readme in /usr/share/doc/proftpd? |
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| 11:09.46 | mooper | is there a nice application like etherape for disk? |
| 11:09.57 | mooper | so you can see whats writing to where and how quick etc? |
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| 11:11.36 | arcsky | how do i unrar a many .rar files in the same time ? |
| 11:12.19 | et | for i in *.rar; unrar -e $i |
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| 11:12.33 | et | adjust to your needs and shell ... |
| 11:12.33 | ma3x | this iceweasel is piece of shit! it crashes 100x more than the previous version |
| 11:12.42 | ma3x | is there an alternate browser? |
| 11:12.51 | et | "this"? |
| 11:12.54 | abrotman | ma3x: apt-cache search browser ? |
| 11:13.02 | ma3x | yeah the new v3 iceweasel |
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| 11:17.13 | ne2k__ | if I cd to a directory that is a symbolic link, e.g. ~/PingerLogs -> /usr/local/myapp/var/log/pinger, the shell shows that I am in ~/PingerLogs. there is also a directory called ~/pinger with a file ~/pinger/ip_addrs.txt. from within ~/PingerLogs, I can type cat ../p<tab>/ip<tab> and get the command line cat ../pinger/ip_addrs.txt completed for me. however, cat then reports No such file or... |
| 11:17.15 | ne2k__ | ...directory, because /usr/local/myapp/var/log/pinger/../pinger/ip_addrs.txt does not exist. is this considered to be a bug? if so, in what? |
| 11:22.49 | prahal | ne2k__, completion works even on broken symlinks this is a feature . Just fix the symlink (I guess you used relative symlinks and moved the one that is the container) |
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| 11:23.43 | ne2k__ | prahal: the symlink isn't broken |
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| 11:24.29 | ne2k__ | prahal: there just isn't a file called /usr/local/myapp/var/log/pinger/ip_addrs.txt |
| 11:24.46 | ne2k__ | prahal: there is a file called ~/pinger/ip_addrs.txt |
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| 11:27.08 | darkterror46 | what pakage have the /urs/src/linux of the default kernell? |
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| 11:29.35 | prahal | darkterror46, , none . this is a symlink to an extracted directory from archive you can find out the package that owns it |
| 11:30.27 | darkterror46 | it should be something like linux-kernel-headers but can't find it |
| 11:31.08 | darkterror46 | ok what command can i use to find it? prahal |
| 11:31.09 | prahal | ne2k__, now I understand . And yes this is a "feature" as a symlink can only resolve to one "path" when used . Seems like a bug in the completion code that it desymlink the wrong path |
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| 11:31.21 | dokma | hi guys |
| 11:31.52 | dokma | anyone knows a system monitor that creates load graphs that can be viewed with a browser? |
| 11:32.05 | cast | munin |
| 11:33.06 | dokma | thanks! |
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| 11:34.12 | prahal | darkterror46, just from memory (I am using locally build kernels thus I cannot double check) : dlocate -S $(ls -l /usr/src/linux |cut -d' ' -f 11) or dpkg -S $(ls -l /usr/src/linux |cut -d' ' -f 11) if you do not have dlocate |
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| 11:36.08 | massmc | is back (gone 00:00:44) |
| 11:36.42 | massmc | is away: I'm busy |
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| 11:40.22 | abrotman | massmc: turn that off |
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| 11:43.02 | prahal | mooper, the closest is iotop . The feature for those stats is pretty new. Few applications |
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| 11:45.44 | ne2k__ | prahal: it's because the shell lets you cd into a symlink and tells you that you're "in" that "directory". the foolproof way to fix it would be have the shell desymlink everything all the time, so if you cd ~/PingerLogs it will actually say "now, you're in /usr/local/myapp/var/log/pinger/" |
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| 11:46.27 | ne2k__ | prahal: but that would remove the usefulness of being "in" a symlink "directory". I guess I'll just have to watch out for it. it's not the end of the world |
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| 11:46.58 | zxxd | does anyone know how to get rid of the 10 seconds message when you logout from a gdm session before 10 seconds elapsed? |
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| 11:49.55 | sbeh | hi, whats wrong with debootstrap? http://rafb.net/p/72a2WN51.html |
| 11:50.57 | Shine | Hi guys. I just installed debian etch with netinst CD and choose not to select a mirror. I have a very minimal system now but would like to add som stuff with apt-get. Also, cant find apt-setup or netselect. Tried to edit /etc/apt/sources.list but i'm not sure about the syntax or the url:s to use. |
| 11:52.13 | Eulex_ | Shine, it has an excellent manpage |
| 11:52.22 | Eulex_ | sources.list, that is |
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| 11:53.45 | comp | hi, how can I make cron/postfix to send errors to "root" and not to ordinary user, when I try to send mail to root@localhost, it is forwarded to that user as well, /etc/aliases double checked as well as postfix configuration, procmailrc isn't created at all |
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| 11:55.16 | Shine | Eulex_, yes thank you. You know anything about apt-setup or netselect. Do they have other names in etch or arent they used? |
| 11:55.42 | enouf | ne2k__: guess you didn't like my answer in ##linux, eh? <sigh> |
| 11:56.02 | enouf | isn't it netselect-apt or something? |
| 11:56.10 | Eulex_ | Shine, apt-setup is no more. netselect is available if you install it. |
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| 11:57.10 | Shine | Eulex_, yeah and i need the mirror to install it right? Ok, i'll read the ****** manual :) |
| 11:57.45 | Eulex_ | !mirrors |
| 11:57.45 | dpkg | somebody said debian mirrors was http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 11:58.54 | Shine | Eulex_, thx mate. |
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| 12:09.18 | liable | smells a spambot |
| 12:09.52 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.57 | eBug | does anyone know how the kernel is told what module to load when a specific usb device is plugged in? |
| 12:10.15 | wols | eBug: udev |
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| 12:11.08 | eBug | wols udev somehow has a table linking device ids to kernel modules ? |
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| 12:11.44 | TuxCrafter | hello everybody i am looking for the channel where i can ask some questions about patching a packages |
| 12:12.01 | TuxCrafter | a debian sid package sshfs-fuse btw |
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| 12:12.14 | wols | patch how? |
| 12:12.36 | comp | wols: ugh .. lots of lines redirecting things lke "nobody" to root, standard debian ... I've deleted the "root: user" line, no effect ... "user: root" has no effect either |
| 12:12.45 | comp | like* |
| 12:12.49 | TuxCrafter | wols: i want to change the control and rules files so an extra debug package will be created with other build flags |
| 12:12.53 | eBug | TuxCrafter you should download package source, modify them and rebuild the package |
| 12:13.00 | wols | then do it |
| 12:13.33 | TuxCrafter | wols: i need some extra info on how to build two packages from one control file :-X |
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| 12:13.47 | TuxCrafter | wols: still in the learning phase |
| 12:14.01 | TuxCrafter | i now the basic things though |
| 12:14.05 | wols | then look at any of those pacakges that do this. all libs for example |
| 12:14.06 | TuxCrafter | s/now/know/ |
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| 12:14.21 | TuxCrafter | wols: ok lets see |
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| 12:14.48 | matholio | hello #debian, it's too long. |
| 12:15.05 | abrotman | fee is now $2.50 |
| 12:15.12 | liable | i here that all the time |
| 12:15.13 | comp | (postfix configured for local use only) |
| 12:15.26 | eBug | wols i don't see any table in /etc/udev linking usb device ids and kernel modules |
| 12:15.27 | matholio | I have been running debian at work on a number of servers for years and over the last year moving everything to vmware. |
| 12:15.50 | wols | !wayttd eBug |
| 12:15.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, eBug? |
| 12:16.04 | matholio | I have noticed my debian vms get scsi errors and fail, but the Redhat5 server don't. I can;t find out what the problme is. |
| 12:16.20 | wols | !vmware |
| 12:16.20 | satlan | Hi, let say i have vista and debian connected via smb, and the vista one have a tv tuner card. there's is any to access/call the tv card hardware from linux? |
| 12:16.20 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 12:16.22 | eBug | dpkg when i plug in my pda, kernel doesn't load rndis-host.ko |
| 12:16.22 | dpkg | eBug: no idea |
| 12:16.23 | wols | ask vmware.com |
| 12:16.50 | eBug | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do? |
| 12:16.51 | wols | zaph: only rdp |
| 12:16.54 | matholio | what a sillt attitude. |
| 12:17.29 | eBug | i want rndis-host to be loaded when i plug my pda |
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| 12:17.29 | matholio | I want to carry on using Debian, but if it keeps crashing I'll have to switch. which I don't want to. |
| 12:17.37 | wols | eBug: dpkg is a bot |
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| 12:18.03 | wols | matholio: feel free to use redhat. good luck and good bye |
| 12:18.15 | eBug | wols i'm a bot too |
| 12:18.24 | wols | ignores ebot from now on |
| 12:18.45 | zxxd | hi |
| 12:18.46 | matholio | where does this anti vmware attitude come from ? |
| 12:18.59 | zxxd | how does gdm know to execute the file x-session-manager ?? |
| 12:19.01 | TuxCrafter | wols: i tried to investigate apt-get source libbluetooth2 but I could not find a way to change the build options. I need to add export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug nostrip noopt" and compile an other version of the same package of sshfs-fuse. Any ideas? |
| 12:19.02 | wols | !tell matholio about dfsg |
| 12:19.38 | matholio | but I'm running debian inside vmware. |
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| 12:19.52 | matholio | that the same as asking your hardware to be opensource. |
| 12:20.15 | wols | matholio: drop it already. vmware is no hardware so this is bullshit |
| 12:20.15 | abrotman | like that's a bad thing? :) |
| 12:20.31 | matholio | it's a great thing, but debain doesn;t so that does it? |
| 12:20.34 | abrotman | matholio: if you create a new debian vm .. does it still happen ? |
| 12:20.43 | matholio | mixed results. |
| 12:21.11 | CrazyFrog | Why dont you guys all join ubuntu? |
| 12:21.19 | matholio | I get a load of scsi timeouts and the volumes go RO. |
| 12:21.37 | abrotman | MACosxisBSD: not funny .. go away |
| 12:21.49 | abrotman | matholio: tried other kernels with your VMs ? |
| 12:22.02 | abrotman | matholio: like the one from backports.org ? or instaling lenny? |
| 12:22.03 | MACosxisBSD | No seriously, if you can't beat them. |
| 12:22.12 | abrotman | MACosxisBSD: go troll somewhere else |
| 12:22.16 | matholio | I have always used Stable, always upto date. |
| 12:22.24 | MACosxisBSD | No, serious, ubuntu is debian right? |
| 12:22.30 | MACosxisBSD | I mean its better and is debian |
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| 12:22.35 | matholio | is there perhaps better buslogic support in Testing ? |
| 12:22.37 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 12:22.38 | EmleyMoor | It's not Debian |
| 12:22.48 | abrotman | MACosxisBSD: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for being offtopic |
| 12:22.49 | matholio | or LSI. |
| 12:23.04 | abrotman | matholio: the .24 has been backported for etch at backports.org .. |
| 12:23.14 | liable | kick him too, obviously he was only here to troll |
| 12:23.29 | wols | !etchnhalf |
| 12:23.29 | dpkg | methinks etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 12:24.17 | cast | <3 etchnhalf |
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| 12:24.48 | matholio | oh right, that's interesting I will try that on one server for a few weeks. |
| 12:24.56 | matholio | thanks heaps. |
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| 12:25.12 | cast | i do miss vserver though |
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| 12:26.14 | iateadonut1 | does anyone's rar work on lenny? |
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| 12:27.18 | enouf | !info unrar-nonfree testing |
| 12:27.34 | abrotman | dpkg: love me! |
| 12:28.35 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=unrar&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 12:28.45 | comp | wols: well, I googled out "newaliases" and ran it ... no mails are received from that point .... |
| 12:28.47 | TuxCrafter | wols: I cant figure this out on my own can somebody point me to the right direction how to make add a *-dbg package to an existing packages, i know the changes in the debian/control file but how can i control the compile options for the *-dbg package? |
| 12:29.52 | abrotman | /msg dpkg mentors |
| 12:30.08 | abrotman | and get me new headphones while you're at it |
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| 12:32.18 | docmax | who can help me with bluetooth? |
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| 12:33.32 | botox | docmax: first, explain the issue you are having. |
| 12:35.16 | docmax | i dont know how to setup services, send files etc. i'd like to have a bluez frontend on gtk+ |
| 12:35.32 | docmax | is there something like that available? |
| 12:35.43 | themill | TuxCrafter: look at an existing package that does this and learn by example. See also http://www.netfort.gr.jp/~dancer/column/libpkg-guide/libpkg-guide.html |
| 12:35.45 | iateadonut1 | !info unrar-nonfree testing |
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| 12:36.05 | TuxCrafter | themill: thank i already found some good info |
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| 12:36.08 | TuxCrafter | but one question |
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| 12:36.29 | TuxCrafter | do is still need to do export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="debug" or will dephelper handle it? |
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| 12:36.44 | themill | nfc, sorry. |
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| 12:38.46 | up365 | docmax, you can start here, may answer some questions, http://wiki.bluez.org/ |
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| 12:42.24 | abrotman | docmax: /msg dpkg bluetooth |
| 12:42.42 | up365 | docmax, also here http://debaira.blogspot.com/2008/05/bluetooth.html, scroll through there is plenty of info |
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| 12:46.11 | psycodad | hi there, i have a machine that i can reach via serial console that i need to reinstall remotely. Can I install from CD by just giving the resp. boot paramters for serial console to the install CD? |
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| 12:47.28 | EmleyMoor | psycodad: I should think you can - if you've got means to either do it or get someone else to do the first bit for you |
| 12:47.36 | cast | hmm |
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| 12:48.30 | cast | so i've got a lvm volume on /dev/loop0p5 i want to mount, how would i do that? i think i have to tell lvm its there before itll show up in /dev/mapper |
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| 12:49.17 | cast | erm...oh, its just /dev/loop0...there is no p5, though cfdisk said there was |
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| 12:50.40 | Nyle | good morning |
| 12:51.15 | Igneous | 'mornin |
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| 12:51.26 | icesword | Nyle, yeah, morning |
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| 12:53.29 | iron | hi |
| 12:53.33 | mardi | hi |
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| 12:53.53 | mardi | i like debian |
| 12:53.57 | Igneous | hey, I've got a fairly dumb question. Are there any packages available (or even large pieces of documentation) for getting initng working debian sid? |
| 12:54.09 | Nyle | mardi, lol |
| 12:54.11 | Nyle | that was random |
| 12:54.13 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:54.16 | Nyle | hi |
| 12:54.18 | Nyle | i like debian |
| 12:54.20 | Nyle | lol |
| 12:54.26 | iron | i got problems with eclipse like !SESSION 2008-07-17 13:52:13.589 ----------------------------------------------- |
| 12:54.26 | iron | eclipse.buildId=M20070212-1330 |
| 12:54.26 | iron | java.fullversion=GNU libgcj 4.3.1 |
| 12:54.26 | iron | BootLoader constants: OS=linux, ARCH=x86, WS=gtk, NL=de_DE |
| 12:54.26 | iron | Command-line arguments: -os linux -ws gtk -arch x86 |
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| 12:54.35 | TuxCrafter | wols: debian/rules:20: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 12:54.35 | TuxCrafter | any idea what is speparator is missing? |
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| 12:54.58 | wols | TuxCrafter: nyle broke our crystal ball |
| 12:55.07 | TuxCrafter | wols: i will post the file |
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| 12:55.24 | Nyle | hey |
| 12:55.32 | Nyle | what i do |
| 12:55.36 | Nyle | did |
| 12:55.43 | iron | i got problems with eclipse like !SESSION 2008-07-17 13:52:13.589 ----------------------------------------------- |
| 12:55.47 | Igneous | wols, yeah, sadly not. and apt-cache yeilds nothing in terms of init-ng or initng results. I think I'm just going to keep prowling google |
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| 12:55.52 | TuxCrafter | wols: http://filebin.ca/owhbf/rules |
| 12:56.31 | comp | is root mail account someway explicitly denied in Debian? When I try to make an alias of "root mail" to some other user, it works, if I use "root: root" or don't redirect root mail, it is sent to nobody ... |
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| 12:57.00 | wols | you don't run a MUA with root |
| 12:57.11 | iron | so |
| 12:57.13 | iron | http://rafb.net/p/a56dXc50.html |
| 12:57.26 | TuxCrafter | wols: found a dubble strip entry but removing it did not help |
| 12:57.28 | iron | i ve got such fails |
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| 12:57.31 | comp | wols: yes, but /var/spool/mail/root is writable for mail group |
| 12:57.37 | bohsain | is there any application like rsync to synchronise data from flash memory to a local folder? |
| 12:57.41 | jelly | iron: while I know nothing about eclipse, but I guess it's possible that gcj isn't good enough... have you tried using Sun's java? |
| 12:58.14 | iron | nope |
| 12:58.21 | iron | how can i do this ? |
| 12:58.40 | iron | took the debian packages |
| 12:58.48 | wols | bohsain: you can use rsync. or unison |
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| 12:58.52 | TuxCrafter | wols: dont now what the issue was but i solved it by replacing the orrignal and redoing the changes |
| 12:58.59 | Nyle | gcj is what? |
| 12:59.01 | Nyle | !gcj |
| 12:59.01 | dpkg | gcj is probably the GNU/Cygnus java source and bytecode compiler, part of egcs |
| 12:59.05 | Nyle | oh |
| 12:59.10 | Utwig|T42p | what is the best way to make raid1 in debian? |
| 12:59.20 | TuxCrafter | damm my gnupg smartcard does not work anymore |
| 12:59.23 | anoHito | can anyone tell me ,in debian ,in which file to configure the default lanugage output for awstats ? |
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| 12:59.35 | cast | TuxCrafter: does it work as root? |
| 12:59.49 | Niklas- | Anyone aware of an ncftp support channel? |
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| 13:00.37 | Nyle | Niklas-, what do you need? |
| 13:00.54 | Nyle | Niklas-, here or ##linux I suppose? |
| 13:01.04 | infinity0 | how do i get deborphan to report only packages which were *automatically* installed? |
| 13:01.26 | themill | infinity0: you can't. You use aptitude instead. |
| 13:01.35 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
| 13:01.36 | iron | jelly: for some month i used eclipse it worked fine but know it doesnt work |
| 13:01.42 | anoHito | :( |
| 13:01.51 | jelly | iron: oh, no idea then |
| 13:01.52 | iron | now |
| 13:02.03 | iron | jelly: thx |
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| 13:02.12 | Igneous | "Wine build complete." Now that's what I like to hear |
| 13:02.32 | Nyle | build? |
| 13:02.48 | Igneous | just the recent dev release, compiled it from source to test it |
| 13:02.53 | Nyle | ah |
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| 13:03.45 | Igneous | I'm enjoying sid so much, I've got the most recent kernel, and a bunch of recent utils, bleeding edge gcc.. aah, it's so nice to live on the edge |
| 13:03.57 | Nyle | oh boy |
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| 13:04.03 | Igneous | Linux Ursa 2.6.26-git4-hinaru #1 Wed Jul 16 20:55:55 CDT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 13:04.18 | Nyle | thats great! |
| 13:04.23 | Igneous | ooh yeah |
| 13:04.26 | Nyle | rolls his eyes |
| 13:04.27 | Nyle | ;) |
| 13:05.06 | anoHito | no one help me with awstats :( |
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| 13:05.27 | iron | new question: since some updates nm-applet doesnt work after reboot i have to start it by hand |
| 13:05.27 | jelly | it used to be worthwhile to build wine from source, back when they didn't release as often and when packages were skethcy |
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| 13:05.55 | Nyle | you can't spell |
| 13:06.04 | Nyle | you should just givie up |
| 13:06.15 | Nyle | jelly, what do you use wine for? |
| 13:06.40 | Nyle | plays Diablo II + Cedega |
| 13:06.54 | Igneous | D2, warcraft3, ragnorok, and lineage2 |
| 13:06.55 | jelly | These days I use crossover office for ... Office. and IE6 |
| 13:07.03 | Nyle | I see |
| 13:07.04 | m0 | am trying to install the following: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 13:07.10 | m0 | but deb doesn't exists |
| 13:07.14 | Jemt | jelly: ies4linux is great for IE too |
| 13:07.20 | TuxCrafter | cast: http://filebin.ca/eyrxrq/smarcard-debug.txt i am 100% sure the PIN is correct, I had the same problem a few months ago could not solve it then, tried again this week, was working fine again, and the next they the same problem again... I don't now what is wrong but i need to sign a package but cant do it anymore... somebody that ca help me? |
| 13:07.26 | cast | welcome to the premier gaming of 7 years ago |
| 13:07.29 | Nyle | m0, why sarge? |
| 13:07.31 | wols | m0: you can't install sources.list lines |
| 13:07.39 | m0 | sorry I am using the latest |
| 13:07.42 | wols | Jemt: it's shit |
| 13:07.43 | Nyle | wols, lol |
| 13:07.43 | jelly | Jemt: I'm past the point of using half-assed nonpackaged scripts |
| 13:07.50 | wols | !sarge |
| 13:07.50 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended at 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
| 13:08.07 | wols | m0: see the "support ended" bit? |
| 13:08.08 | cast | TuxCrafter: i guess you didn't keep a backup of the key huh ;P |
| 13:08.08 | Igneous | hey now, L2 is recent, and they're still patching it, coming out with new cronicals, etc |
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| 13:08.11 | Jemt | wols: Works fine for me |
| 13:08.15 | m0 | I took that from the forums, I need to install unrar |
| 13:08.18 | m0 | I am u sing debian 4 |
| 13:08.29 | Nyle | m0, so think man |
| 13:08.33 | Nyle | don't blindly do shit |
| 13:08.36 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 13:08.36 | wols | Jemt: I have a form heavy intranet where it kills the machine (memleak) in about 15 minutes |
| 13:08.47 | TuxCrafter | cast: i do have some backups but the all the keys and subkeys are pretty complicated i dont know what to do ... |
| 13:08.50 | cast | TuxCrafter: guess i'd ask on gnupg-users mailing list |
| 13:08.54 | m0 | all I said is what is equivalent to dev |
| 13:08.56 | m0 | deb* |
| 13:08.59 | wols | m0: sarge is not debian4. run dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:08.59 | Jemt | wols: Okay, I've only tested on small websites |
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| 13:09.25 | Nyle | m0, just add contrib non-free to your existing soruces list and install zip unzip rar unrar arj |
| 13:09.26 | m0 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:09.29 | Nyle | :D |
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| 13:09.42 | wols | m0: see that is etch? |
| 13:09.45 | Nyle | p7zip too if you want |
| 13:09.46 | wols | !tell m0 about unrar |
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| 13:10.02 | m0 | I know I need to install non-free to sources |
| 13:10.14 | Nyle | you dont' know how? |
| 13:10.17 | wols | m0: but that line above you pasted is utterly wrong |
| 13:10.19 | m0 | let me google |
| 13:10.31 | TuxCrafter | cast: second mail send to the list |
| 13:10.33 | hipodilski | Hi there I'm running Debian lenny. I'm using wine 1.0.0-1 and I'm emulating windows application through it the app works fine except when it tries to call the winebrowser I get this err "err:winebrowser:get_url_from_dde\n Unabled to retrieve URL from string L"\"" wmain Usage: winebrowser URL" and no browser opens at all |
| 13:10.34 | wols | !tell m0 about non-free |
| 13:10.40 | TuxCrafter | pff this is not my day.... |
| 13:10.40 | Nyle | m0, deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch contrib non-free |
| 13:10.47 | hipodilski | can I workaround this is somebody else familiar with this ? |
| 13:11.00 | m0 | i know .. But deb is not found |
| 13:11.06 | m0 | bash: deb: command not found |
| 13:11.09 | Nyle | did yo update? |
| 13:11.13 | Nyle | aptitude update |
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| 13:11.19 | Nyle | no |
| 13:11.26 | m0 | yes |
| 13:11.28 | Igneous | m0, edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:11.31 | Nyle | m0, pull your head out of your ass for a minute |
| 13:11.38 | Nyle | think |
| 13:11.40 | gkiagia | is there a 32-bit version of libstdc++6 for debian amd64 ? |
| 13:11.41 | m0 | What is the line I should put? |
| 13:12.04 | themill | gkiagia: ia32-libs has it I think. |
| 13:12.20 | gkiagia | thx, I'll check it |
| 13:12.24 | m0 | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian contrib non-free ? |
| 13:12.33 | Nyle | yes |
| 13:12.48 | Nyle | add this line |
| 13:12.56 | Nyle | or append contrib non-free to an existing one |
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| 13:12.56 | m0 | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.us.debian.org contrib/non-free Packages |
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| 13:13.12 | Nyle | forgot etch |
| 13:13.17 | cast | lib32stdc++6: /emul/ia32-linux/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 13:13.25 | m0 | ? |
| 13:13.27 | Nyle | look at my original line |
| 13:13.30 | Nyle | it includes etch |
| 13:13.31 | Nyle | 'etch' |
| 13:13.38 | m0 | ?the others don't include etch |
| 13:13.49 | Nyle | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian etch contrib non-free |
| 13:13.54 | Nyle | see the 'etch' |
| 13:13.55 | Nyle | ? |
| 13:13.58 | gkiagia | cast: thanks |
| 13:14.09 | iron | eclipse lets me cry |
| 13:14.18 | Nyle | eclipse is a crappy IDE |
| 13:14.20 | Nyle | tbh |
| 13:14.24 | iron | lol |
| 13:14.32 | m0 | whats the difference between main non-free and contrib non-free? |
| 13:14.33 | iron | Nyle whats better ? |
| 13:14.43 | Nyle | there is no distinction |
| 13:14.45 | SPF | rm * : argument list too long. What is the Fastest way to remove files other than ls | xargs rm ? ( looking at 43 Gb 12k files |
| 13:14.46 | Igneous | eclipse + aptana is lovely for web stuff, but I wouldn't dream of using eclipse for real programming |
| 13:14.47 | Nyle | there is only 1 non-free |
| 13:14.51 | TuxCrafter | where can i find info aobut the needed changes for the out-of-date-standards-version 3.7.3 (current is 3.8.0) |
| 13:14.55 | Igneous | Geany/Scite is where it's at |
| 13:14.58 | TuxCrafter | so i can add them |
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| 13:15.16 | liable | TuxCrafter: debian-policy manual i spose |
| 13:15.24 | iron | i see ppl down like eclipse |
| 13:15.34 | icesword | m0, ... i don't know what to say, but you should know the repos include main contribute non-free, ok |
| 13:15.34 | iron | dont |
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| 13:15.43 | Nyle | contribute? |
| 13:15.55 | themill | SPF: ls | xargs will eat your babies esp if you have spaces in filenames. find . -print0 | xargs -0 rm will do it for you. Even better if you use -depth on find. |
| 13:15.57 | jelly | iron: our java programmers use it daily |
| 13:16.00 | icesword | ? |
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| 13:16.40 | TuxCrafter | liable: cant find it there |
| 13:17.12 | iron | jelly: nice to hear |
| 13:17.29 | SPF | lol, ls is using 1.5 Gig mem space |
| 13:17.38 | Nyle | damn |
| 13:17.51 | Nyle | your system is on crack |
| 13:18.03 | iron | sadly i dont get eclipse alive |
| 13:18.12 | Nyle | alive? |
| 13:18.16 | Igneous | engrish |
| 13:18.17 | liable | TuxCrafter: see the changelog. aptitude chagelog debian-policy |
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| 13:18.35 | iron | *G* |
| 13:18.38 | iron | denglisch |
| 13:18.59 | themill | TuxCrafter: Also look in /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/upgrading-checklist.txt.gz |
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| 13:19.58 | TuxCrafter | themill: thanks lets see |
| 13:20.16 | Nyle | hey |
| 13:20.31 | Nyle | do any of you want to see my debian art work? |
| 13:20.41 | *** part/#debian jelly (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 13:20.45 | Nyle | http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=0 <-- this is my most recent wallpaper |
| 13:20.47 | wols | you asked before and it's still OT Nyle |
| 13:21.00 | Nyle | its alright |
| 13:21.23 | liable | wols: its debian related innit? |
| 13:21.36 | liable | though debian-art would be better place |
| 13:21.39 | tdn | I use SVN with apache2 and webdav. Now I would like to have en index.html showing each repository. How can I do this? I have tried just putting an index.html file in the parent dir to the repositories, but it does not work because DAVsvn thinks that it should treat the index.html file as a repository dir. I hope you can help. |
| 13:21.42 | wols | in so far as nyle needs support having made it, yes |
| 13:21.44 | Nyle | is there a #debian-art |
| 13:21.44 | Nyle | ? |
| 13:21.50 | Nyle | yes |
| 13:21.51 | wols | but that's tenous an dnot debian support |
| 13:21.52 | Nyle | I like support |
| 13:21.55 | Nyle | and a pat on the back |
| 13:22.02 | Igneous | Nyle, nice but it's pink |
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| 13:22.06 | Nyle | yes |
| 13:22.07 | Nyle | yes it is |
| 13:22.09 | liable | attention whore :P |
| 13:22.12 | Nyle | liable, :D |
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| 13:22.40 | Igneous | speaking of attention, take a look at my desktop http://www.tinyurl.com/hinaru-1 |
| 13:23.08 | Igneous | simple fluxbox with xcompmgr, very pretty, and very light |
| 13:23.20 | liable | i find desktop screenshots so utterly boring |
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| 13:23.42 | Igneous | I found you utterly boring |
| 13:23.49 | liable | oh well |
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| 13:24.03 | Nyle | heh |
| 13:24.20 | botox | water, makes its own sauce. |
| 13:24.27 | Igneous | ZAPPA |
| 13:24.35 | botox | ;) |
| 13:24.52 | Igneous | It looks like a telefunken U47 |
| 13:24.59 | themill | points screenshots, comparisons and random chatter towards #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:25.20 | Igneous | joins #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:25.33 | Nyle | points themill towards #partypooper |
| 13:25.33 | liable | good luck in there |
| 13:25.39 | Nyle | liable, why good luck? |
| 13:26.25 | TuxCrafter | source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number 2.0-3 what does this error mean? |
| 13:27.33 | themill | TuxCrafter: Run lintian with -i to get more feedback or use lintian-info. |
| 13:27.46 | TuxCrafter | themill: thanks |
| 13:27.56 | themill | TuxCrafter: Looks like you have a debian version on the source package though which isn't correct. |
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| 13:29.03 | TuxCrafter | hmm how do i use lintian-info |
| 13:29.16 | TuxCrafter | i am running debuild -S |
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| 13:29.25 | TuxCrafter | and there the output appears |
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| 13:29.58 | liable | is it actually stopping on the error? |
| 13:30.04 | liable | try -uc -us |
| 13:30.24 | phreak | Can I build a package, based on a .orig.tar.gz and the diff, without manually unpacking and patching? |
| 13:30.29 | unlink | hi. it seems that ctypes doesn't work in python2.5 in the armel arch. the _ctypes.so library is missing. is this a bug? |
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| 13:32.21 | keith4 | !bts |
| 13:32.22 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of sid and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for sid and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 13:32.31 | f00li5h | phreak: meow? |
| 13:32.36 | mardi | i like xfce |
| 13:32.43 | TuxCrafter | liable: should debuild -S -us -uc create a new package? |
| 13:32.45 | themill | TuxCrafter: e.g. lintian-info -t source-nmu-has-incorrect-version-number |
| 13:32.45 | Nyle | mardi, dude |
| 13:32.49 | Nyle | are you on crack |
| 13:32.55 | Nyle | first you cameup like randomly |
| 13:32.58 | Nyle | you were like |
| 13:32.59 | Nyle | hi |
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| 13:33.00 | Nyle | I like debian |
| 13:33.04 | phreak | f00li5h: I'm sorry what now? |
| 13:33.07 | Nyle | and nwo you're like |
| 13:33.08 | Nyle | hi |
| 13:33.09 | Nyle | I like xfce |
| 13:33.11 | liable | i like turtles |
| 13:33.17 | Nyle | hi like boobies |
| 13:33.24 | f00li5h | phreak: hrm, you must be a different phreak to the one i'm thinking of then |
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| 13:33.35 | phreak | f00li5h: Probably. |
| 13:34.00 | f00li5h | the /whois says that you are |
| 13:34.07 | Nyle | thats fantasti |
| 13:34.09 | Nyle | moving on |
| 13:34.10 | f00li5h | sorry to have bothered you |
| 13:34.18 | phreak | No worries :-P |
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| 13:35.18 | TuxCrafter | themill: http://filebin.ca/ysskuq/sshfs-fuse-2.zip can you do some mentoring i cant see what i did wrong? |
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| 13:35.39 | unlink | is the `reportbug` package the only means of doing such a thing? |
| 13:35.57 | TuxCrafter | i wanted to add a new sshfs-fuse-dbg package.... |
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| 13:37.05 | rvsjoen | hmm.. how can you change the default display to use when in the console with multiple monitors |
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| 13:37.37 | slidesinger | Is there any way at all to mount an HTFS partition under debian? I can't find anything on this, has anyone successfully done this? |
| 13:37.41 | rvsjoen | ive been using the monitor on an ati card, and now I plug in a second monitor on a mga card and suddenly eveything goes bananas |
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| 13:39.00 | balasyum | hi |
| 13:39.07 | Nibbl | slidesinger, are those partitions mentioned in fstab? |
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| 13:39.53 | slidesinger | Nibbl: no, the HDD is off a SCO box, I need to mount it long enough to transfer some data. |
| 13:39.59 | balasyum | I'm using seahorse and libpam-gnome-keyring |
| 13:39.59 | Nibbl | sorry, misread! |
| 13:40.17 | balasyum | when I ssh to my server, with 2 accounts it logins with no password ask |
| 13:40.22 | balasyum | but for the third, it asks |
| 13:40.33 | balasyum | all use rsa key pairs |
| 13:40.37 | balasyum | the same key |
| 13:40.43 | slidesinger | Nope, not NTFS. |
| 13:41.02 | balasyum | any ideas? |
| 13:41.22 | themill | TuxCrafter: You'd be better off asking in #debian-mentors on oftc as you're more likely to find someone in there who as the time to put into this. Given that I'm at work at present, I'm afraid that I don't right now. I did notice though that part of the problem is that you are not listed as the maintainer but you've bumped the debian version. You should either make it 2.0-2+nmu1 or 2.0-2.1 rather than making it 2.0-3. |
| 13:41.49 | Nibbl | balasyum, -vvv your ssh,and doublecheck keys on both sides |
| 13:42.07 | balasyum | on the clientside it must be ok |
| 13:42.11 | TuxCrafter | themill: thanks |
| 13:42.23 | TuxCrafter | i was looking for debian-mentors ... |
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| 13:42.45 | themill | TuxCrafter: for more information, /msg dpkg mentors |
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| 13:43.01 | balasyum | how to -vvv? |
| 13:43.44 | Nibbl | ssh -vvv user@host |
| 13:44.08 | Nibbl | maybe one -v does for the start :) |
| 13:44.28 | balasyum | aha |
| 13:45.08 | Nibbl | most commandline tools support -v[v[v]] to increase verbosity, so to help you track down errors |
| 13:46.16 | balasyum | what should be the chmod on the server side? |
| 13:46.29 | balasyum | the permissions under .ssh? |
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| 13:46.44 | Nibbl | 700/600 |
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| 13:52.14 | Darkside | hi... who would i talk to about what i believe to be a security vulnerability in debian stable |
| 13:52.22 | alcohol | how can I figure out which thredding library my debian install uses? |
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| 13:52.27 | liable | root-uid? |
| 13:52.29 | alcohol | threading* |
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| 13:52.40 | anoHito | debian is cool :) i have to go to bed,good night. |
| 13:53.23 | justin | Darkside: http://www.debian.org/security/faq |
| 13:54.13 | balasyum | I set chmod -R 777 on my home directory by accident |
| 13:54.19 | balasyum | what is the default? |
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| 13:54.29 | Darkside | justin: problem being i don't know exactly what happened |
| 13:54.56 | admin_ | cdrecord (and all other front ends fail me), here's cdrecords output, anyone know why this happens? http://fail.pastebin.org/52060 |
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| 13:55.33 | balasyum | 700 works |
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| 13:58.02 | balasyum | how do I scrollback in screen? |
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| 13:58.19 | alcohol | debian doesn't come with iostat ? |
| 13:58.19 | balasyum | ah, got it in #linux, sorry |
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| 14:01.00 | alcohol | anyone? |
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| 14:01.32 | balasyum | thank you guys |
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| 14:01.45 | themill | alcohol: systat package? |
| 14:02.10 | alcohol | I dunno, I'm doing some stuff that requires both vmstat and iostat, but the former is present yet the latter not |
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| 14:06.54 | abrotman | iostat is in debian .. sysstat package |
| 14:07.04 | Igneous | whoa.. |
| 14:07.15 | Igneous | oops, nvm |
| 14:07.32 | themill | err yeah... sysstat not systat.. |
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| 14:08.19 | mit | welcome all: /server irc.vietchats.com <=== Join now |
| 14:08.21 | mit | :)) |
| 14:08.28 | abrotman | mit: don't spam here |
| 14:08.32 | mit | =)) |
| 14:08.34 | mit | ok |
| 14:08.41 | abrotman | mit: now go away |
| 14:10.17 | Igneous | oh boy, it's initng time |
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| 14:11.58 | cr3_ | hi |
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| 14:12.29 | cr3_ | how to fill in Section "Monitor" in xorg.conf? what to use? |
| 14:12.59 | cr3_ | because i have there 'generic monitor' 'default' etc.... and i want to change default resolution |
| 14:14.01 | Igneous | cr3_, you probably want to do dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 14:14.46 | cr3_ | Igneous, nooo... it only asks whether i would like to enable kernel framebuffer and whats my keyboard, nothing else |
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| 14:15.50 | cr3_ | wait, i just found that u can save setting automatically with nvidia-settings |
| 14:16.11 | Igneous | cr3_, I think that happens when you already have an xorg.conf, do (as root) "cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11.xorg.conf.backup && rm /etc/X11/xorg.conf && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 14:16.14 | Igneous | or.. that |
| 14:18.22 | Igneous | and then you could always read this, and learn what everything in your xorg.conf is and does, if you're feeling adventurous http://www.x.org/archive/X11R6.9.0/doc/html/xorg.conf.5.html |
| 14:18.46 | Igneous | kinda old, but regardless, it's still worth the read |
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| 14:20.14 | cr3_ | i don't feel like this right now, just want change ma resolution |
| 14:20.59 | Igneous | then do it with nvidia-settings, or remove your xorg.conf and do what I suggest previously, or even try using nvidia-xconfig |
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| 14:24.02 | cr3_ | but if i delete i'd how to make 3d acceleration work, or copy backup and copy pasta whats left |
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| 14:24.21 | Igneous | lol copypasta, *channer detected |
| 14:24.36 | cr3_ | ahah |
| 14:24.38 | Igneous | just back it up, do cp /etc/X11/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup |
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| 14:25.15 | cr3_ | ok, but then how to use X as root? coz i type in nvidia settings and it says he cannot connect to x servarz |
| 14:25.27 | Igneous | are you using the gnome greeter? |
| 14:25.31 | Igneous | gdm? |
| 14:25.42 | cr3_ | no, xdm and fluxbox |
| 14:25.50 | cr3_ | not good? |
| 14:25.57 | Igneous | can't you just log in as root in xdm? |
| 14:26.23 | cr3_ | but can't su in pseudoterminal and open window as root? |
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| 14:26.37 | cr3_ | i'l try logging as root |
| 14:26.40 | Igneous | you'd have to specify DISPLAY=:0 |
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| 14:26.49 | themill | !root x |
| 14:26.50 | dpkg | If you need to run an X application as root (or another user), ask me about <sux> <gksu> <sshx> <mit-magic-cookie> <xauth> or look at kdesu and gksudo. Whatever you do, don't use <xhost> or try <running x as root>! |
| 14:26.54 | Igneous | that |
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| 14:27.07 | cr3_ | !sux |
| 14:27.07 | dpkg | sux is a utility for running X apps as a different user. "aptitude install sux" and documentation at http://fgouget.free.fr/sux/ . Also ask me about <root x> for other alternatives.. Sux is also the way some people spell sucks and usually implies that they don't know what they are talking about. Ask me about <u>. |
| 14:27.10 | cr3_ | but msg |
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| 14:28.13 | Igneous | sweeeet cmake + ccmake installed |
| 14:28.18 | Igneous | god, everything is going swimmingly |
| 14:28.23 | Igneous | why hasn't something broken yet |
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| 14:30.07 | cr3_ | is it not ok to BE LOGGED as root in X, or to generally have this option enabled? |
| 14:30.16 | liable | breaks Igneous's something |
| 14:30.19 | Igneous | nooo |
| 14:30.20 | cr3_ | i mean like, configure |
| 14:30.21 | cr3_ | d |
| 14:30.37 | cr3_ | why didu du that |
| 14:30.58 | liable | !aolify cr3_ |
| 14:30.58 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in cr3_'s ear |
| 14:31.02 | Igneous | cr3_, if you just need to do something quickly as root, you can probably get away with logging in as root and running the program, assuming you don't want to specify a display or use something like sux |
| 14:31.27 | cr3_ | kthx |
| 14:31.56 | Igneous | cr3_, it can pose a security risk amongst other things, but as long as you don't have people trying to viciously exploit you, you're probably fine, heh |
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| 14:32.19 | cr3_ | i knew that |
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| 14:32.58 | Igneous | when I installed sid, about 10 hours ago, I was too lazy to add another user for myself, and ended up building and doing a bunch of work in x + fluxbox as root for a good 4 hours or so |
| 14:33.05 | Igneous | bad habbit >.< |
| 14:34.12 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 14:34.12 | [Jasper] | what does configure: error: C++ preprocessor "/lib/cpp" fails sanity check |
| 14:34.13 | [Jasper] | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:34.21 | themill | !b-e [Jasper] |
| 14:34.22 | dpkg | [Jasper]: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 14:34.38 | themill | Igneous: very. Please don't encourage others to adopt your own bad habits. Next, you'll be encouraging people to use windows 98 or something. |
| 14:34.45 | Igneous | YES |
| 14:34.50 | Igneous | EVERYONE IN HERE USE WINDOWS 98 |
| 14:35.00 | mardi | installs win98 |
| 14:35.06 | Igneous | do eet |
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| 14:35.55 | Igneous | at least windows 98 had a monolithic kernel |
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| 14:36.44 | mardi | gets a key logger |
| 14:37.00 | shefqeti | eats one Win98 every morning for breakfast |
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| 14:37.23 | bipolar | I need to write a udev rule for a sierra wireless USB GSM internet device. I need to link /dev/sierra to the first endpoint on the device (which would be ttyUSB0 if no other usbserial devices are connected, which is NOT the case). Anyone know how to do that? |
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| 14:37.53 | [Jasper] | guys, I'm ooking for libdbi in c for debian/ |
| 14:37.57 | [Jasper] | is that package precompiled? |
| 14:38.17 | keith4 | http://packages.debian.org |
| 14:38.17 | Igneous | [Jasper], apt-cache search libdbi |
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| 14:38.53 | keith4 | bipolar: there are howtos for writing udev rules, out on teh intarwebs |
| 14:39.09 | [Jasper] | nothin Igneous |
| 14:39.13 | [Jasper] | only dbi-erl |
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| 14:39.19 | Igneous | hmm.. ooh yeah, I'm on sid |
| 14:39.23 | bipolar | keith4: yes... and nothing that seems to help me with this specific issue that I have found in the past 3 hours. |
| 14:39.36 | Igneous | err, grab one of the sid packages and backport it from packages.debian.org |
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| 14:39.48 | Igneous | or build it yourself |
| 14:39.57 | keith4 | it might already by backported |
| 14:40.40 | keith4 | bipolar: are you going to share your 'specific issue'? |
| 14:40.58 | AbsintheSyringe | Iceweasel 3.0, lenny, when I access this server I just set up, nfs for filesystem, I can access public directories but can't access ones protected by password, any ideas? |
| 14:41.07 | AbsintheSyringe | that is on protected directories, login dialog doesn't pop-up |
| 14:41.07 | docmax | what is wmaster0? |
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| 14:41.40 | bipolar | keith4: I need to automaticly create a symlink to a specific endpoint on a usbserial device (sierra wireless usb). |
| 14:42.04 | bipolar | keith4: and it can't be something simple like linking ttyUSB0 > siera |
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| 14:42.25 | bipolar | keith4: because there are other usbserial devices on the system, and it needs to be robust. |
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| 14:42.46 | keith4 | i think you don't understand what a udev rule is |
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| 14:43.27 | bipolar | I can identify the port by, ATTRS{port_number}=="0", but that is the actual endpoints grandparent. |
| 14:43.34 | bipolar | and I can't link that. |
| 14:44.09 | themill | dpkg: tell docmax about wmaster0 |
| 14:44.09 | bipolar | keith4: what gives you that idea? |
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| 14:47.02 | keith4 | bipolar: what is ATTRS{product} for that GSM device? |
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| 14:47.33 | Igneous | i'm scared, I'm building initng, and I have no idea what alot of these compile flags/plugins do.. what's BUILD_NGCS, does anyone know by chance? |
| 14:47.47 | bipolar | keith4: ATTRS{product}=="AirCard" |
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| 14:48.21 | Igneous | sulks off to go read a long manpage |
| 14:48.30 | marsje | Should there be already a looback device on my system? If not, how do I create one? I need something like /dev/loop0 |
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| 14:48.38 | asg | marsje: losetup |
| 14:48.43 | keith4 | bipolar: and how many dev entries does it provide? |
| 14:49.02 | bipolar | keith4: 3 |
| 14:49.09 | oliver3 | I'm running a debian server in a vm, it's bridged to the main network but its hostname isn't given to the router, does anyone know how to solve this? (i.e. it has an IP, but no hostname, only _it_ knows its hostname). |
| 14:49.11 | marsje | asg: I was just using that and it complained that it didn't have a loopback device... maybe I need another option to create it |
| 14:49.35 | [Jasper] | how can sarge have a package which etch doesn't? |
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| 14:49.42 | bipolar | keith4: all ttyUSB* devices |
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| 14:49.55 | keith4 | oliver3: are you asking "why doesn't my debian VM register itself using DDNS?" |
| 14:49.57 | abrotman | [Jasper]: removed for brokenness |
| 14:49.58 | asg | marsje: did you run 'modprobe loop' to install the driver? |
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| 14:50.07 | abrotman | [Jasper]: or RC bugs |
| 14:50.10 | keith4 | bipolar: ah. is your problem that you can't distinguish them? |
| 14:50.34 | bipolar | keith4: right. only the first endpoint is useful. it's the modem interface. |
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| 14:50.47 | gomo | Hey |
| 14:50.50 | bipolar | keith4: it would be ttyUSB0 if it was the only usbTTY device on the system. |
| 14:50.58 | [Jasper] | abrotman sarge has it and so does lenny ... and sid... |
| 14:51.01 | keith4 | bipolar: there must be *something* uniquely-identifiable about them |
| 14:51.03 | [Jasper] | just not etch |
| 14:51.09 | oliver3 | keith4, I might be, I honestly don't know. The router uses DHCP, usually I just set a hostname during a distro install, then once the machine connects to the router it is listed with its hostname. With this debian vm "(null)", is listed where its hostname should be in the router config. |
| 14:51.25 | bipolar | keith4: I'll pastebin the output of udevinfo |
| 14:51.29 | marsje | asg: yes, that was it! didn't nknow I needed a module for that.... thanks! |
| 14:51.39 | keith4 | oliver3: and by "router" you mean "linksys toaster"? |
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| 14:52.03 | gomo | How do i perform directory "union"? (i have a folder structure that i want to copy on top of another similar structure, pretty much like tar will do when untarring on top of existing directories) |
| 14:52.09 | oliver3 | keith4, no I mean "Belkin Wireless Thing my landlord uses". |
| 14:52.12 | oliver3 | xD |
| 14:52.27 | Igneous | has a linksys toaster wrt54g v4 |
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| 14:52.29 | keith4 | run your own DNS server and be done with it |
| 14:52.35 | gomo | I want to add files that are not in the destination directory, and modify those that exist. |
| 14:52.53 | bipolar | keith4: http://pastebin.com/m6e1c6f63 |
| 14:53.16 | [Jasper] | how can I get libdbi0-dev from unstable ? |
| 14:53.20 | oliver3 | keith4, all I want is for debian to tell the router its hostname like every other machine on the network does. <_< |
| 14:53.28 | bipolar | keith4: there doesn't seem to be anything in the attribs for the endpoint that identify it. but there is in the grandparent. |
| 14:55.11 | keith4 | oliver3: check dhclient.conf. look for "send host-name" |
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| 14:55.15 | matisse | hi |
| 14:55.32 | matisse | how do i activate sound for non-root-users ? |
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| 14:55.41 | keith4 | bipolar: which line is the actual modem, here? |
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| 14:56.22 | matisse | always get a sound-server-concerning-to-few-rights-to-do-that-message at the startup |
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| 14:56.53 | keith4 | bigkm: 41-68? |
| 14:56.58 | keith4 | er. bipolar ^^ |
| 14:57.18 | bigkm | ??? |
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| 14:57.34 | bipolar | keith4: the device that I ran udevinfo on (ttyUSB1) is the serial port that I use pppd on to get my network connection. is that what you're asking? |
| 14:57.36 | keith4 | bigkm: lazy tab-complete. sorry |
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| 14:57.59 | bipolar | line 11 |
| 14:58.06 | brimstone | so, i ran apt-get update on sid this morning, now when i reboot, my /dev/null is crw-rw--- :( |
| 14:58.27 | brimstone | other stuff seems broken too, anyone know what might cause that? |
| 14:59.11 | keith4 | bipolar: so why can't you use ATTR{dev}=="188:1" ? |
| 14:59.19 | gomo | well, tar did the trick |
| 14:59.20 | gomo | :/ |
| 14:59.29 | bipolar | keith4: because thats the major/minor number of the device, which changes. |
| 14:59.36 | keith4 | ugh. forget i said that |
| 14:59.41 | bipolar | keith4: :) |
| 15:00.06 | keith4 | wow. that is just freakin' worthless, isn't it |
| 15:00.16 | bipolar | yep |
| 15:00.23 | bipolar | not an easy thing to crack |
| 15:00.52 | bipolar | if udev could process data from a devices parents easily, this would be a snap |
| 15:00.54 | keith4 | why the hell does it create this many levels? ttyUSB1/tty/ttyUSB1 |
| 15:01.02 | bipolar | keith4: they all do this. |
| 15:01.15 | bipolar | keith4: I had a pcmcia card from sprint... same thing. |
| 15:01.18 | keith4 | i haven't used a USB tty |
| 15:01.38 | keith4 | ... device |
| 15:01.40 | bipolar | keith4: it a bitch... hehe |
| 15:01.59 | [Jasper] | hej guys, how can I install a testing package using apt-get on a stable system? |
| 15:02.21 | keith4 | [Jasper]: it's not a good idea, but it can be done |
| 15:02.39 | keith4 | [Jasper]: are you sure it's not backported already? |
| 15:03.05 | [Jasper] | hmm keith4 I think so yes |
| 15:03.17 | [Jasper] | I'm looking for libdbi0-dev |
| 15:03.20 | keith4 | bipolar: yah.. that sucks. is there some way to pick out a parent, and tell udev "the child of THIS parent is /dev/sierra"? |
| 15:04.00 | keith4 | [Jasper]: you should *probably* backport it yourself, rather than mix lenny and etch |
| 15:04.02 | bipolar | keith4: thats what I was hoping someone here could answer. :P |
| 15:04.02 | [Jasper] | I wanna get mod_vhost_dbi installed for debian |
| 15:04.09 | [Jasper] | how can i backport? |
| 15:04.10 | keith4 | !ssb |
| 15:04.10 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 15:05.54 | keith4 | if you *really* want to add lenny packages to etch, you can add 'APT::Default-Release "stable";' to /etc/apt/apt.conf, and then add testing sources to sources.list, but it is Not A Good Idea(tm) |
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| 15:07.32 | Darth_Tux | hi all, how do i install a lib file ? |
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| 15:08.32 | Igneous | oh wow |
| 15:08.47 | Igneous | Darth_Tux, what exactly is it you're trying to install? |
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| 15:09.18 | Darth_Tux | Igneous, ibwnck18 |
| 15:09.47 | Darth_Tux | libwnck18 |
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| 15:09.56 | Igneous | apt-get install libwnck18? |
| 15:09.59 | Igneous | assuming it's in the repos |
| 15:10.21 | Darth_Tux | it isnt, i downloaded it |
| 15:10.39 | Igneous | then goto the directory where the package is, and use dpkg -i filename.deb |
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| 15:10.50 | Darth_Tux | it isnt a .deb |
| 15:11.01 | Igneous | what is it, a .tar.gz? |
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| 15:11.09 | Darth_Tux | there doesnt seem to be a ,deb of the version i need |
| 15:11.29 | Igneous | that's probably ok, what exactly did you download? |
| 15:11.37 | Darth_Tux | tar.bz2 |
| 15:11.54 | Darth_Tux | libwnck18-linux-x86_64-2.16.3.tar.bz2 |
| 15:11.56 | mortal1 | hello all, We have a box here at work that crashed. Now we have a 2TB raid that won't mount, says it needs file system type |
| 15:12.14 | mortal1 | is there any way to detect what filesys is on a box? |
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| 15:12.29 | Igneous | Darth_Tux, cd to the directory it's in, and tar jxvf libwnck18-*.tar.bz2 |
| 15:12.40 | Igneous | then cd to the directory it creates, and make it |
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| 15:12.50 | Igneous | Darth_Tux, you are on an x86_64 system, right? |
| 15:13.00 | Darth_Tux | no |
| 15:13.04 | [Jasper] | keith4 I'm trying to do what you said |
| 15:13.06 | [Jasper] | but am getting: |
| 15:13.07 | [Jasper] | dpkg-genchanges: binary-only upload - not including any source code |
| 15:13.07 | [Jasper] | dpkg-buildpackage: binary only upload (no source included) |
| 15:13.08 | Darth_Tux | damn |
| 15:13.20 | mgpaulus | Hello all. I am trying to figure out how to make an sources.list stanza for the following site, if it's possible: http://quietsche-entchen.de/download/debian |
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| 15:13.31 | Igneous | Darth_Tux, are you on etch? |
| 15:13.40 | Darth_Tux | no, lenny |
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| 15:13.56 | Igneous | Darth_Tux, http://packages.debian.org/stable/libs/libwnck18 |
| 15:14.06 | [Jasper] | keith4 ... where does it put the .deb ? |
| 15:14.15 | Igneous | Darth_Tux, download that .orig.tar.gz, and extract it, and make that |
| 15:14.27 | [Jasper] | when I backport with apt-get -b source libdbi0-dev ? |
| 15:14.48 | Darth_Tux | Igneous, that version is to old |
| 15:14.57 | brimstone | udev is making /dev/null inaccessable, anyone know why? |
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| 15:16.06 | twobitwork | is there something like top for file i/o? |
| 15:16.31 | liable | twobitwork: not that i know of, but that would be a damn handy app |
| 15:16.34 | asg | twobitwork: iostat |
| 15:17.11 | asg | twobitwork: but you probably want the output of sar (in the sysstat package also). |
| 15:17.45 | [Jasper] | can anyone give me a hand with backporting a package? |
| 15:17.47 | liable | hmm, apt-file doesnt find iostat |
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| 15:18.06 | liable | i even updated it last month! |
| 15:18.10 | asg | liable: it's in sysstat |
| 15:18.13 | twobitwork | asg: sar complains: "Cannot open /var/log/sysstat/sa17: No such file or directory" |
| 15:18.32 | asg | twobitwork: yes, you need to enable it first: /etc/default/sysstat ; /etc/init.d/sysstat start |
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| 15:18.49 | Igneous | Darth_Tux, http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/libwnck/2.23/ |
| 15:19.02 | Darth_Tux | Igneous, ty |
| 15:19.21 | Igneous | Darth_Tux, no problem, now hopefully it'll compile for you |
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| 15:20.50 | mgpaulus | Jasper: what package are you trying to backport? Have you checked backports.org to see if it already exists? |
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| 15:21.03 | [Jasper] | yes |
| 15:21.06 | [Jasper] | libdbi0-dev |
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| 15:21.42 | acidslep | hi! |
| 15:21.49 | mgpaulus | Jasper: yes? |
| 15:22.30 | acidslep | what do you guys think about x11 |
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| 15:22.56 | acidslep | and the best way to install a minimal base on a crappy computer |
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| 15:23.08 | acidslep | i would use xfree86 but i didnt see or find it in the package lists |
| 15:23.09 | Igneous | acidslep, how crappy? |
| 15:23.26 | acidslep | measured in megahertz crappy |
| 15:23.34 | acidslep | i think this one is 400 mhz |
| 15:24.08 | Igneous | acidslep, I have a thinkpad 380xd, 266mhz mmx P2 deschutes, with 96mb of ram and a 4gb hdd. It runs sid with the most recent xorg and wmii, flawlessly, using under 25mb of ram |
| 15:24.08 | [Jasper] | mgpaulus <- libdbi0-dev |
| 15:24.16 | acidslep | woah |
| 15:24.19 | acidslep | ok thanks ^^ |
| 15:24.35 | mgpaulus | acidslep: have you checked out tasksel? Select Desktop environment, and that will give you X11 |
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| 15:24.50 | Igneous | acidslep, just don't use a big DE, and you'll be fine, just try something like fluxbox/blackbox/openbox or a dwm/wmii/wmii2 |
| 15:25.06 | acidslep | twm? |
| 15:25.13 | acidslep | or E? |
| 15:25.16 | Igneous | haha, yeah if you desire |
| 15:25.23 | acidslep | im fine with twm :) |
| 15:25.35 | bipolar | keith4: I got it |
| 15:25.44 | Igneous | acidslep, out of curiosity, what are you going to use the computer for? |
| 15:25.56 | acidslep | ok, when i was in aptitude, i installed all the security updates and im not sure if that was a great idea |
| 15:26.01 | bipolar | keith4: KERNEL=="ttyUSB*", DRIVERS=="sierra3", ATTRS{port_number}=="0", SYMLINK+="sierra" |
| 15:26.11 | acidslep | Igneous, everything from cracking to hacking |
| 15:26.27 | acidslep | not kidding, i plan on doing some wep hax and coding :) |
| 15:26.27 | Igneous | riiight |
| 15:26.28 | bipolar | keith4: you can use the attribs from the device, and ONE other parent. |
| 15:26.28 | mgpaulus | Jasper, what I usually do is do an apt-get source <package>, then I cd into the package source directory, then I do a debuild and see what falls out. |
| 15:26.36 | berzerka | the current testing stock kernel seems to have Xen enabled, and the nvidia driver won't build against that. i have two options: manually build the kernel, disabling xen, and building nvidia module by hand, or use the module-assistant with a slightly outdated driver version. correct? |
| 15:26.52 | bipolar | keith4: you can't MIX attribs from multiple parents. only use the attribs from ONE. and it works. |
| 15:26.57 | acidslep | just a general purpose desktop :) |
| 15:27.13 | mgpaulus | Jasper: Sometimes it just takes a few extra packages. Another option that I have used is to use pdebuild to make sure all dependencies install and build correctly before I try to actually install it. |
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| 15:28.06 | twobitwork | berzerka: it shouldn't have xen "enabled" unless you are running in xen |
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| 15:28.07 | Igneous | acidslep, heh, well good luck. I'll give you a tip. When you install, use the netinst cd, and make sure "Desktop environment" is unchecked in the install process. It won't even install xorg. At that point, you can install exactly the packages you need for xorg, and nothing else, saving precious ram and hd space |
| 15:28.28 | Vlack | is there a web interface for debian? |
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| 15:28.48 | acidslep | Igneous, yep i did :) |
| 15:28.49 | twobitwork | Vlack: can you describe what a web interface to an operating system would be like? |
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| 15:28.58 | acidslep | but what it was a bad idea to install all the security updates? |
| 15:29.04 | Vlack | I want to control my box using the web browser |
| 15:29.06 | acidslep | i think it also installed every possible updateable program... |
| 15:29.13 | berzerka | twobitwork: grep XEN /boot/config-2.6.25-2-686 -> CONFIG_XEN=y |
| 15:29.13 | acidslep | s/program/package |
| 15:29.14 | Vlack | is that possible? |
| 15:29.14 | twobitwork | Vlack: you mean, remotely? |
| 15:29.16 | Igneous | acidslep, err, if it installed a new kernel, that posed a problem on my laptop, but you're probably good to go |
| 15:29.18 | Vlack | yes |
| 15:29.21 | [Jasper] | ok mgpaulus |
| 15:29.24 | acidslep | it did |
| 15:29.30 | [Jasper] | if I would do a apt-get -b source libdbi0-dev |
| 15:29.41 | [Jasper] | where would I be able to find the compiled stuff? |
| 15:29.51 | Igneous | acidslep, something with my sound card screwed up the init process, just because it's alsa driver sucks. You'll probably be fine. As long as you can reboot, you're good to go |
| 15:29.55 | Vlack | twobitwork is there such an app? |
| 15:29.55 | mgpaulus | Jasper: I would guess, perhaps /usr/src? |
| 15:30.01 | Vlack | cpanel is not free |
| 15:30.04 | twobitwork | Vlack: well... there is webmin... but it's a peice of shit and full of security holes |
| 15:30.05 | berzerka | twobitwork: i am nut running in xen. but the kernel has the xen option enabled. |
| 15:30.10 | [Jasper] | nothing in there mgpaulus |
| 15:30.14 | Vlack | what's good? |
| 15:30.23 | Vlack | any suggestion |
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| 15:30.56 | Igneous | Vlack, http://www.webmin.com/ |
| 15:31.11 | cydork | eww |
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| 15:31.17 | cydork | !webmin |
| 15:31.17 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 15:31.38 | Vlack | what's better than webmin |
| 15:31.48 | cydork | Vlack: ssh |
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| 15:31.58 | Vlack | beside from ssh |
| 15:31.59 | mgpaulus | Jasper: find / -name 'libdbi0-dev*.deb' |
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| 15:32.15 | cydork | Vlack: nothing is better than ssh.. |
| 15:32.20 | liable | Vlack: if you *need* a gui, maybe you should just get a hosted box with plesk or something |
| 15:32.23 | tview | Where do I look to estimate/know when the next kernel will move from unstable into testing? |
| 15:32.24 | Vlack | I'm not good with commands |
| 15:32.30 | mgpaulus | Jasper, probably somewhere in /var, but I don't usually use that method,. |
| 15:32.50 | Vlack | is plesk free? |
| 15:32.57 | Vlack | can I use it with debian? |
| 15:33.06 | liable | no, it comes with your hosted service |
| 15:33.19 | berzerka | twobitwork: thus, i have two options: disable the xen kernel option, and rebuild the kernel, or use module-assistant with a slightly oder version. right? |
| 15:33.22 | liable | yes it works with debian afaik |
| 15:33.26 | twobitwork | berzerka: strange... I'm not sure why that would be... I mean for linux to run in xen it needs to be compiled for it, and when its compiled for it it shouldn't run without xen |
| 15:33.26 | Igneous | Vlack, http://www.gnupanel.org/GPL-hosting-control-panel-for-Debian.php |
| 15:33.27 | Vlack | I'm planing to host my own site, and stuff |
| 15:33.36 | Vlack | there you got |
| 15:33.40 | acidslep | Igneous, im worried that it installed a bunch of shit i dont need, cause of the secuity updates. would it have done that? |
| 15:33.45 | berzerka | twobitwork: hmm i see.. |
| 15:33.48 | Vlack | Igneous is it secure.. good? |
| 15:33.59 | liable | Vlack: then maybe you should spend some time to learn those commands you are no good with? |
| 15:34.14 | twobitwork | berzerka: at least, that's my understanding |
| 15:34.25 | Igneous | Vlack, it works, probably not the epitome of security, but it gets the job done.. I'd just take the 2 hours it takes to learn how properly admin a server |
| 15:34.42 | liable | Vlack: running a box that offers services isnt a clickety click operation |
| 15:34.53 | berzerka | twobitwork: i just looked at (and copied to /usr/src/linux) the config from /boot. sadly, the debian kernels don't include /proc/config.gz, so i can't be sure wether the running kernel has _acutally_ been built with those options. |
| 15:34.54 | acidslep | pshaw sure it is |
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| 15:34.58 | abrotman | does clickety clack |
| 15:34.59 | liable | Vlack: you actually need to know a thing or two |
| 15:35.01 | Vlack | ok thanks for your infos |
| 15:35.09 | acidslep | run windows and dont have any anti vi |
| 15:35.13 | Igneous | acidslep, I dunno, if you don't notice a difference you're probably fine. If you can remember the names of the recently install packages, you can do dpkg -L package-name and see exactly what it installed |
| 15:35.14 | acidslep | boom services for everyone |
| 15:36.11 | Vlack | last question guys |
| 15:36.23 | acidslep | can i look for packages that dont have any dependencies? |
| 15:36.26 | Vlack | someone told me to use centos rather than debian |
| 15:36.27 | acidslep | oh ok sorry |
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| 15:36.31 | acidslep | AHH |
| 15:36.35 | acidslep | there is NO greener grass |
| 15:36.39 | Vlack | what's your opinion? |
| 15:36.51 | twobitwork | berzerka: you can apt-get source the kernel .deb |
| 15:37.03 | liable | Vlack: probably a good idea if you want a bit more hand holding |
| 15:37.21 | acidslep | hahah, great question to ask on the #debian channel |
| 15:37.41 | Vlack | hand holding? I'm not good in english |
| 15:37.45 | berzerka | twobitwork: apt-get source linux-image-2.6? |
| 15:37.50 | Vlack | and sorry for my question |
| 15:37.59 | Vlack | I just want to know your opinions |
| 15:38.02 | liable | Vlack: more automation |
| 15:38.03 | twobitwork | berzerka: I believe so |
| 15:38.06 | acidslep | Vlack, hand-holding will guide you though more operations |
| 15:38.11 | acidslep | and be a bit more friendly |
| 15:38.13 | Vlack | I see |
| 15:38.20 | acidslep | but you wont have as much control over the operation |
| 15:38.26 | Vlack | for begginers like me |
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| 15:38.36 | Igneous | Vlack, cent is quite nice, that's what I run on my real dedicated server. It's better for enterprise stuff, imho, but for a little home box, debian, always. |
| 15:38.39 | Vlack | am I linux newbie |
| 15:38.43 | cydork | heh Vlack asked the same thing in #centos about debian.. |
| 15:38.44 | Igneous | deb, for sure |
| 15:39.02 | Vlack | yes I did |
| 15:39.17 | Igneous | whoa, I bet that was a massive shitstorm |
| 15:39.25 | Vlack | cause I'm asking opinions before installing a linux boc |
| 15:39.27 | Vlack | cause I'm asking opinions before installing a linux box |
| 15:39.37 | berzerka | i had to build a custom kernel (not on CentOS, but scientific linux), some time ago, and i can only advise to use a less "integrated" distro if there should ever be any custom needs... |
| 15:39.41 | acidslep | vlack you can always redo it |
| 15:39.49 | liable | i would actually say the other way round. debian for real servers, centos for home, but meh |
| 15:40.02 | twobitwork | berzerka: what do you mean by "less intergrated"? |
| 15:40.18 | Vlack | what's the difference? |
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| 15:40.29 | Vlack | aside from automation |
| 15:40.34 | berzerka | twobitwork: ever tried to build a custom kernel on RHEL? i mean just a vanilla kernel and install it in the usual way? forget it... |
| 15:40.46 | twobitwork | berzerka: I try not to use rhel :) |
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| 15:40.56 | berzerka | twobitwork: you have to build the redhat-kernel-package infrastructure, or fail miserably. |
| 15:41.00 | berzerka | twobitwork: so do i :) |
| 15:41.01 | twobitwork | berzerka: however I'm forced to put up with it to some degree at work... |
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| 15:41.21 | berzerka | have to build using the ... that was supposed to be. |
| 15:41.27 | Vlack | guys last question what's the first thing to do when your a linux newbie |
| 15:41.30 | saintiss | hi all |
| 15:41.37 | acidslep | Vlack, varies ALOT |
| 15:41.43 | cydork | !tell Vlack -about grounding |
| 15:41.43 | abrotman | Vlack: /msg dpkg grounding |
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| 15:41.56 | berzerka | Vlack: get used to reading documentation and solving problems yourself, most important IMO.. |
| 15:42.03 | saintiss | what would be the best way to upgrade all my currently installed kde packages without doing a dist-upgrade, and without installing new packages? (e.g. apt-get install kde* would not be a good idea) |
| 15:42.04 | Vlack | ok |
| 15:42.07 | Vlack | whatelse |
| 15:42.16 | twobitwork | berzerka: so, I think what you meant to say is, use a properly integrated distro instead of a poorly integrated one :) |
| 15:42.20 | acidslep | get a book? |
| 15:42.25 | mortal1 | vlack, linux newbie? grab a ubuntu live disk (not trolling) |
| 15:42.31 | Igneous | THAT |
| 15:42.35 | acidslep | o.O |
| 15:42.49 | acidslep | activates personal shield |
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| 15:43.08 | Igneous | sets troll level to over nine thousand |
| 15:43.16 | acidslep | ahhh omg xd |
| 15:43.17 | twobitwork | mortal1: debian is not some advanced black magic distro... it's just as good for new users as any other distro |
| 15:43.20 | acidslep | that was great |
| 15:43.22 | Vlack | yeah I think buying a book will matter a lot |
| 15:43.32 | acidslep | Vlack, i find a lack of debian books |
| 15:43.35 | Vlack | thanks for your suggestions guys |
| 15:43.41 | mortal1 | ah common guys, can you honestly recommend deb over ubuntu to a complete newb w a straight face? |
| 15:43.59 | mortal1 | deb has it's good aspects, but cuddly hand holding is not one of them |
| 15:44.01 | abrotman | yes |
| 15:44.06 | cydork | mortal1: depends on what the requirements are.. for server use debian. |
| 15:44.06 | acidslep | no i wouldent |
| 15:44.07 | abrotman | it only takes a willingness to learn |
| 15:44.15 | acidslep | haha and years of experience |
| 15:44.21 | abrotman | it was my first distro |
| 15:44.31 | abrotman | if you're not willing to learn .. ##windows is available |
| 15:44.31 | Igneous | ubuntu: "Dialog box:would you like to install your video drivers y/n?" debian: "screw you, open a terminal" |
| 15:45.00 | berzerka | twobitwork: i meant integrated in a sense that many parts of a system depend on each other which hinders customization of single parts. |
| 15:45.14 | Vlack | guys in distrowatch the number most visited distro is ubuntu |
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| 15:45.17 | twobitwork | mortal1: I learned (as a complete noob, obviously) on slackware |
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| 15:45.20 | Vlack | debian is number 7 |
| 15:45.21 | mortal1 | abrotman, i learned on slackware, but I still recommend ubuntu before people move on to other distros |
| 15:45.22 | abrotman | Vlack: then go use it |
| 15:45.25 | Igneous | ubuntu: "Dialog box: would you like flashy desktop effects? y/n?" debian: "you're going to need to add another repo to your /etc/apt/sources.list if you have any intention of installing compiz" |
| 15:45.26 | mmlj4 | slackware++ |
| 15:45.29 | abrotman | Igneous: stop already |
| 15:45.44 | twobitwork | mortal1: it _is_ possible to learn linux without hand-holding... in fact, too much hand-holding often ends up only serving as a crutch |
| 15:45.49 | Igneous | I got choked or something |
| 15:45.50 | berzerka | twobitwork: also, the RHEL based distros (well and suse and ubuntu) are full of custom patches, and you can't easily exchange one component for another without knowing the side-effects. that's what i negatively described as "integrated". |
| 15:46.03 | mmlj4 | though I run a slack fork (arch linux) on my desktop |
| 15:46.27 | levander | I've got a directory, /mnt/multimedia that is owned by root:root. However, whenever I mount it, it becomes owned by levander:levander (levander is my regular user). How did I manage to set it up so it would do that?? |
| 15:46.44 | levander | The only option I've got set for it in fstab is defaults. |
| 15:46.52 | mortal1 | twobitwork, only a crutch to those that aren't naturally curious about how things work |
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| 15:47.02 | Igneous | mmlj4, yeah, dependency resolution is a nice addition to slackware ;) |
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| 15:47.07 | mmlj4 | aye |
| 15:47.09 | Vlack | guys thanks I'm going now |
| 15:47.21 | mortal1 | those that are curious will eventually find their way into the guts |
| 15:47.34 | mmlj4 | yes and no |
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| 15:47.41 | ^shark_ | i just installed wine but i dnt see it on my gnome desktop!!? |
| 15:48.02 | twobitwork | ^shark_: what distro are you running? |
| 15:48.04 | mortal1 | after all, the same could be said for windows, but we all found our way to linux |
| 15:48.05 | mmlj4 | honestly, I just use debian, I don't care to learn it's distro-specifics |
| 15:48.23 | SeveredCross | ^shark_: There's no Wine icon on the desktop. |
| 15:48.36 | mmlj4 | it basically works and rarely gives trouble, that's what I want in a server |
| 15:48.42 | SeveredCross | Wine should've installed binfmts-support, or something like it, and Wine will automatically start when you double-click a Windows .exe file. |
| 15:48.55 | berzerka | twobitwork: back to my problem, i seem to be able to run a "xen-enabled kernel" out of xen, it boots just fine. so i am back to my two options: rebuild without xen, or use module-assistant. |
| 15:49.00 | berzerka | can someone confirm this? |
| 15:49.03 | levander | Wow, apparently, after you mount a filesystem, you can change it's ownership. Then, when you unmount the fs, the ownership goes back to whatever it was before. But, if you remount the same filesystem, the ownership goes back to what you changed it to!!! |
| 15:49.06 | levander | How cool is that? |
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| 15:49.36 | saintiss | what would be the best way to upgrade all my currently installed kde packages without doing a dist-upgrade, and without installing new packages? (e.g. apt-get install kde* would not be a good idea) |
| 15:49.38 | Igneous | mmlj4, I used to dualboot arch and gentoo, but I actually left them entirely for sid. I'm really enjoying debian style package management, but actually having recent packages. |
| 15:49.51 | twobitwork | berzerka: I don't know... |
| 15:50.19 | berzerka | levander: that is perfectly normal. the permissions are simply stored on the filesystem you mount. if it is unmounted, the permissions of the "containing" file system take effect again. nothing special, really. |
| 15:50.35 | ^shark_ | twobitwork: etch |
| 15:50.43 | mmlj4 | and arch isn't bleeding-edge enough? bah, I prefer having random things break every so often |
| 15:50.53 | levander | berzerka: Ah, I was wondering where it was stored. In the filesystem that is mounted itself. Makes sense. |
| 15:51.03 | levander | I wonder if the same trick works with gmailfs? |
| 15:51.43 | berzerka | i think i will stick with module-assistant then for now... |
| 15:52.47 | berzerka | aah there is the solution: export IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE=1 |
| 15:52.49 | berzerka | goosh... |
| 15:53.14 | berzerka | i'm off to try, brb for report. |
| 15:53.33 | n3kl | Can anyone tell me if md raids can change raid level live? |
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| 15:53.47 | levander | Doesn't seem to work with gmailfs... |
| 15:54.10 | cr3 | how can I determine the baudrate, parity, etc. at which my terminal session is running? |
| 15:54.35 | n3kl | cr3: inittab? |
| 15:55.03 | levander | cr3: 'stty' |
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| 15:55.32 | cr3 | levander: exactly what I was looking for, thanks man! |
| 15:55.39 | Vlack | guys I'm back |
| 15:55.45 | acidslep | me too |
| 15:55.48 | Vlack | I did a server install of debian |
| 15:55.58 | Vlack | just a quick question |
| 15:56.13 | levander | cr3: I used to manage SCO UN*X dumb terminals back in the day. Back before SCO was bought by some company that turned it into a legal attack dog. |
| 15:56.15 | Vlack | how do I share the printer to windows machines |
| 15:56.18 | levander | I had to know stty. |
| 15:56.39 | acidslep | vlack, good luck with that :P |
| 15:56.41 | ^shark_ | and how do i add a windows printer to my debian |
| 15:56.50 | Vlack | not possible acidslep? |
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| 15:56.57 | Vlack | or its hard? |
| 15:56.58 | twobitwork | Vlack: look at samba and cups |
| 15:56.59 | cahoot | Vlack: xp w2k and later can use the printer via cups |
| 15:57.18 | Vlack | ok I'll google cups now |
| 15:57.19 | Vlack | thanks |
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| 15:57.30 | twobitwork | berzerka: any luck? |
| 15:57.30 | berzerka | failure :( |
| 15:57.32 | twobitwork | doh |
| 15:57.39 | cahoot | Vlack: you need create a 'raw' printer queue on the printer server |
| 15:57.59 | berzerka | i can get past the check, but the module actually fails to build with error messages from some include/xen/... header. |
| 15:58.05 | Vlack | what's do you mean cahoot I'm new with linux |
| 15:58.30 | cr3 | levander: I've used stty before as well, on Wyse terminals, but my memory is not what it used to be :) |
| 15:58.39 | acidslep | ok guys im off to climb pikes peak |
| 15:58.42 | acidslep | back in a few :) |
| 15:59.14 | ^shark_ | i am running etch, and i am trying to install a windows printer on to it, what do i need & how can i do this? |
| 15:59.21 | cahoot | Vlack: just install cupsys on the server and follow instructions on localhost:631 (via your browser) |
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| 15:59.26 | berzerka | okay i will use module-assistant. if i need the most recent driver, i will have to build my custom kernel first. no big deal. have a nice day all of you. |
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| 15:59.35 | Vlack | ok cahoot |
| 15:59.37 | Vlack | thanks |
| 15:59.49 | twobitwork | ^shark_: do you mean a printer plugged into a windows machine shared over the network, or a printer designed to work with windows? |
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| 16:00.19 | ^shark_ | twobitwork: yes a printer plugged into a windows machine shared over the network |
| 16:00.40 | twobitwork | ^shark_: cups should be able to connect to it |
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| 16:01.17 | twobitwork | ^shark_: google gives this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html |
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| 16:01.37 | ^shark_ | twobitwork: thanks, let me read more about it |
| 16:01.48 | berzerka | update: the module-assistant package nvidia-glx is currently not in testing. i'm off to build my custom kernel. (should have done that in the first place...) |
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| 16:02.02 | zxxd | hi |
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| 16:02.34 | zxxd | is it just me or ps axu dosen't resolve UID 100 to name ? here it's supposed to be messagebus according to passwd |
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| 16:03.38 | levander | Ubuntu makes sharing printers between the two so easy. I didn't even have to read a HOWTO. |
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| 16:04.42 | Thornie | will writing a file with zeroes to a windows network share load the windows disk physically more than it would when using ntfs compression there?? |
| 16:05.45 | epsilon | what? |
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| 16:06.23 | berzerka | Thornie: i guess so, but this is certainly not the right channel to ask. |
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| 16:06.45 | Heavy-D | hey guys, what kernel version is on the latest stable release? (4.0r3) ? |
| 16:07.02 | berzerka | Thornie: well actually, your sentence makes not that much sense, but GUESS i see what you're getting at... |
| 16:07.48 | twobitwork | Heavy-D: check packages.debian.org |
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| 16:07.57 | berzerka | Thornie: it depends on how the windows ntfs driver handles this. if he does the compression on the fly, before writing to disk, the load on the disk is of course lower. ask microsoft about it. |
| 16:08.06 | `nstuff | hi |
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| 16:08.21 | `nstuff | i need to compare two files |
| 16:08.32 | berzerka | man diff |
| 16:08.33 | berzerka | ? |
| 16:08.35 | `nstuff | but diff isn't working, |
| 16:08.37 | berzerka | ah :) |
| 16:08.44 | berzerka | use less newlines ;) |
| 16:08.46 | `nstuff | since the text ain't the same structure |
| 16:09.03 | `nstuff | less newlines ? |
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| 16:09.44 | n3kl | Is it possible to convert a raid 5 to a raid 6? |
| 16:10.40 | berzerka | `nstuff: yes, build complete sentences in one line, don't break them in between. your question should have been (in one line) something like "hi. i need to compare two files, but diff isn't working since the text ain't the same structure. does anyone know of alternatives?" |
| 16:10.41 | n3kl | Or can I reduce the number of drives in a raid 5? |
| 16:11.05 | `nstuff | sorry :/ |
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| 16:11.16 | berzerka | `nstuff: then i would not have proposed diff and saved some time. no problem :) just wanted to point it out. |
| 16:11.46 | `nstuff | so how would less help me ? :0 |
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| 16:12.46 | berzerka | `nstuff: i guess not. what kind of differences are you interested in? how "similar" are the files? |
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| 16:13.10 | berzerka | `nstuff: you could look into kompare, or kdiff3, i don't know wether they might fit your needs. |
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| 16:13.37 | tmTim-Work | when using apt-get and it asks for the debian cdrom, If I just hit enter since I don't have it does it go ahead and try to find it on the online repos or does it just skip that and break the process? |
| 16:13.50 | `nstuff | well it's like the files have names in it but i need to know what names are missing in one file |
| 16:13.59 | berzerka | `nstuff: it is not about how it would help _you_ but about how it would help others trying to help you. |
| 16:14.07 | `nstuff | :) |
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| 16:14.56 | tmTim-Work | Heavy, did you try echo `uname -r`? that's what I always do to find my kernel version |
| 16:15.35 | Heavy-D | tmTim-Work: I know what kernel i'm running.. but I think i'm running the 4.0r1 release |
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| 16:15.52 | tmTim-Work | oh, well I have the latest and it says 2.6.18 |
| 16:16.06 | Heavy-D | Ah, okay. I need 2.6.20 or higher to support my RAID card |
| 16:16.08 | Heavy-D | :( |
| 16:16.16 | `nstuff | let's see how i can explain. it's like i have 2 files with just nicks in there wich are in different structure. and i need to see in one file are missing the names |
| 16:16.17 | tmTim-Work | 2.6.18-6 . my bad |
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| 16:17.10 | tmTim-Work | can't you just upgrade the kernel? |
| 16:17.24 | Heavy-D | I don't know how :S, can't seem to find any good articles explaining how to do it |
| 16:17.25 | idimmu | not if he cant install to the disks on his raid card? |
| 16:17.25 | tmTim-Work | think I had to do that for some old laptop hardware and it didn't take too long |
| 16:17.48 | tmTim-Work | would have to get the files over on another setup that's all |
| 16:17.58 | berzerka | `nstuff: irc-logs? |
| 16:18.00 | Heavy-D | and yeah.. I need the default install to pick up the raid card so I can install it to the mirror |
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| 16:18.20 | Heavy-D | I hear 2.6.20 and higher does it, so I guess i'll have to wait for Lenny to go stable or something |
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| 16:18.43 | `nstuff | berzerka, file names actualy |
| 16:20.38 | valdyn | !etchnhalf |
| 16:20.38 | dpkg | i heard etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
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| 16:21.46 | berzerka | `nstuff: hmm i'm sorry i am unable to help you further for now. maybe you should get acquainted with the unix text manipulation tools, like grep, sed, sort, wc... |
| 16:21.57 | Heavy-D | Oohb Etchnhalf eh, cool |
| 16:21.58 | Heavy-D | lol |
| 16:22.04 | berzerka | `nstuff: i guess you will be able to do it with those, somehow^^ |
| 16:22.22 | tmTim-Work | that does sound like a much easier way :) |
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| 16:23.01 | tmTim-Work | I've had to peice together my setup using other hardware and then try to get it all working again on my machine I intend to run it on.. pita |
| 16:23.03 | berzerka | etch+1/2.. 4.1? |
| 16:23.05 | docmax_ | can i switch layouts on the fly? (adding new screens without restarting X) |
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| 16:23.08 | n3kl | How can I speed up an md raid reshape? |
| 16:23.12 | berzerka | or 4.0.1? |
| 16:23.41 | valdyn | docmax_: stuff like that can be done with xrandr, if it can be done at all, did you read its manpage? |
| 16:23.43 | berzerka | actually it should be 4.0.5 :) |
| 16:24.02 | simonrvn | n3kl: avoid disk accesses ;) |
| 16:24.04 | cmdln | When preseeding the debian installer how can I suppress questions asked by extra packages that I am adding? |
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| 16:24.31 | n3kl | simonrvn: do you know if a raid 5 can be reduced without loosing data? |
| 16:24.56 | docmax_ | valdyn, yes.. xrandr can do it |
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| 16:25.05 | valdyn | n3kl: read the mdadm manpage? |
| 16:25.14 | simonrvn | "losing"; no |
| 16:25.19 | Nibbl | n3kl, it can be expanded since 1 year or smth. |
| 16:25.26 | Nibbl | that i know... no more ;-) |
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| 16:33.45 | td123 | when is the debian fullfreeze? |
| 16:33.49 | td123 | !fullfreeze |
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| 16:36.05 | td123 | nvm, it's mid july so soon. |
| 16:36.24 | avu | that's the plan as outlined in the latest release update, yes |
| 16:36.26 | epsilon | .oO 2009 |
| 16:36.30 | avu | that's not set in stone |
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| 16:38.27 | wols | td123: if you believe lenny will be out in september I have a bridge to sell you |
| 16:39.31 | td123 | wols: I don't really keep up with debian news so, sorry for my ignorance :P |
| 16:40.43 | enouf | td123: i have some swamp land in Arizona too for sale ;-0 |
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| 16:41.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 16:41.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | and such a freeze takes... a year? :) |
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| 16:41.56 | moope1 | hi, what permissions should my private key have? |
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| 16:42.13 | moope1 | Permissions 0644 for '/home/andrew/.ssh/id_rsa' are too open. |
| 16:42.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess... who do you want to read your secret key |
| 16:42.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... |
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| 16:42.52 | moope1 | Dibbler: hmmm |
| 16:42.58 | moope1 | the queen |
| 16:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | chmod go-rw |
| 16:43.42 | moope1 | funky |
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| 16:43.47 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 16:44.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | g=group o=others -=remove it r=read w=write |
| 16:44.04 | cr3rzemjest | i don't know which one to do first: python tutorial or blender tutorial |
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| 16:44.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | man chmod for more |
| 16:44.26 | adama | or chmod 600 for those of us annoyed by obscure one-letter commands |
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| 16:44.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | because octal numbers are so much less obscure than first characters of english words? |
| 16:45.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | right |
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| 16:45.10 | epsilon | moope1: the secret key should only be readable for the key owner, or root if it's a system's key |
| 16:46.35 | ick | The package management system thinks that xemacs is installed when I want to install emacs and thinks that to configure xemacs it must use emacs. How can I convince the system not to do call any emacs during installation of any emacs? |
| 16:46.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you only have to remember r=4 w=2 and x-1 and add it up... - then wonder if you gotta reverse it 'cause it's a mask... what on earth could be simpler |
| 16:47.38 | epsilon | ick: check the dependencies of the package you are installing |
| 16:48.05 | epsilon | can't answer that Q, cause emacs has soo many packages... |
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| 16:48.40 | adama | CutMeOwnThroat: I just find the rwxr-xr-x easier to translate into 755 than ugo-rx or st... |
| 16:48.53 | adama | I do use chmod +x though |
| 16:48.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh, that reminds me that I went into the same dependency hell as someone mentioned couple of days ago yesterday.... firefox and gdm were removed temporarily, before I could fix it |
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| 16:50.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | adama: everyone to it's own, I guess - but calling the comparatively easy to remember one-letter codes "obscure", when compared to an octal representation of it.... |
| 16:50.04 | epsilon | dependencyhell++ |
| 16:50.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps I should restart X to see if I still have X |
| 16:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | grmp |
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| 16:50.35 | epsilon | i also use numbers in chmod... much easier to use |
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| 16:50.50 | docmax_ | http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=2911251569416473556&q=fluxbox&ei=OHd_SNmaKIKW2QLL7ImdBg |
| 16:51.02 | docmax_ | whats the name of the tool on middle top? |
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| 16:56.51 | leOn | i just love this ... |
| 16:56.52 | leOn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:57.09 | leOn | libldap-2.4-2 conflicts with libldap2 |
| 16:57.34 | Kobaz | hehe |
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| 16:59.36 | Igneous | I have a dumb question, what's the input device (keyboard) for a ps2 keyboard? I'm using a script to find recently pressed keys (for hooking to ventrilo via wine), and I really don't know what the input device of the keyboard is. |
| 16:59.57 | Igneous | I thought it was /dev/input/event0 but apparently I was wrong |
| 17:00.05 | helo | anyone have any recommendations regarding opennms vs nagios? |
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| 17:00.51 | docmax_ | http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=2911251569416473556&q=fluxbox&ei=OHd_SNmaKIKW2QLL7ImdBg |
| 17:00.52 | docmax_ | whats the name of the tool on middle top? |
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| 17:01.14 | alex12 | helo: use neither, look at zabbix |
| 17:01.56 | simonrvn | leOn: eh, stupid transitions. they sometimes break things :/. |
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| 17:02.21 | Eulex | leOn, it's called unstable. |
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| 17:02.52 | Igneous | I love me some unstable |
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| 17:04.06 | helo | alex12: do you know if zabbix will allow me to monitor machines through a proxy only through which the nodes are visible? |
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| 17:04.43 | helo | i can only see my servers via ssh, but they have many machines behind them that i also need information about |
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| 17:06.23 | keith4 | helo: nagios can do that |
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| 17:09.39 | prahal | hi there are thwo debianbts python (not the same in the internal) . How to get one over the other while import ? |
| 17:09.40 | leOn | well .. actually i was trying to backport unstables openldap to etch .. =P |
| 17:10.15 | docmax_ | http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=2911251569416473556&q=fluxbox&ei=OHd_SNmaKIKW2QLL7ImdBg |
| 17:10.17 | docmax_ | whats the name of the tool on middle top? |
| 17:10.51 | helo | it's called "don't repeat your questions in here or the ops will get mad", IIRC |
| 17:11.04 | keith4 | this is just a wild shot... but is it fluxbox-cap? |
| 17:11.47 | prahal | I seem to have found what was broken in debreaper (it needs reportbug.py from reportbug which itself uses /usr/share/reportbug/reportbuglib/debianbts.py but /usr/share/python-support/python-debianbts/debianbts.py is called instead and it does nto work |
| 17:11.50 | keith4 | docmax_: might want to ask in #fluxbox |
| 17:12.41 | helo | hmm... that is some impressive window resizing/moving!! |
| 17:12.49 | docmax_ | keith4, did it, noone answers |
| 17:12.56 | leOn | i wonder if i remove the libldap2 conflict from the control file i'll break anything ... |
| 17:13.12 | helo | he can resize the windows multiple times, and move them multiple times as well... *envy* |
| 17:13.37 | keith4 | docmax_: try a fluxbox mailing list then |
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| 17:14.19 | leOn | fsck ... another two hours compiling openldap ... |
| 17:14.41 | keith4 | two hours to compile openldap? on what? |
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| 17:15.41 | [Jasper] | anyone here ever used mod_vhost_dbi ? |
| 17:15.54 | JoeThomas | How often would you say that debian releases security updates? |
| 17:16.20 | maligor | when needed |
| 17:17.15 | maligor | setting a specific release count for security updates would be silly |
| 17:17.39 | maligor | like taking the bad sides of corporate policies and sticking them into debian |
| 17:17.40 | JoeThomas | maligor: ehh, kinda didn't re-read my question haha. That would be a bit of common sense I suppose. |
| 17:18.11 | JoeThomas | maligor: thank you that's what I needed to know thouhg. |
| 17:18.13 | JoeThomas | though* |
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| 17:19.22 | [Jasper] | anyone here ever used mod_vhost_dbi ? |
| 17:19.31 | Chriz33 | how come my system keeps saying it is holding back packages when doing apt-get upgrade? |
| 17:20.17 | maligor | unresolved dependencies, dependency conflicts.. whatever |
| 17:20.37 | maligor | or that upgrading them would require new packages to be installed |
| 17:20.42 | Chriz33 | anyway to force it not to hold them or to figure out why it is holding each one back? |
| 17:21.11 | maligor | you can use aptitude |
| 17:21.23 | Chriz33 | how will that tell me? |
| 17:22.08 | maligor | it'll try to resolve them more intelligently |
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| 17:25.14 | leOn | best is just to dist-upgrade ... apparently libldap from unstable replaces libldap2 from etch and there are LOTS of other packages depending on libldap2 |
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| 17:25.34 | mordy | can someone have a look at this ps aux and tell me what's wrong? things in my system are randomnly failing http://paste.lisp.org/display/63840#2 |
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| 17:27.13 | leOn | keeps his fingers crossed |
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| 17:27.27 | keith4 | uhhh |
| 17:27.36 | keith4 | any suggestions on how to remove a file called "-0" ? |
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| 17:28.00 | avu | keith4, rm -- -0 |
| 17:28.08 | keith4 | ah yes. thanks |
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| 17:28.58 | mordy | is about to get another white hair |
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| 17:29.35 | valdyn | mordy: why would that "ps aux" be useful? |
| 17:29.46 | valdyn | mordy: why dont you tell us what is failing with which error? |
| 17:29.51 | mordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.19 | mordy | valdyn - my sound has stopped working, some programs are failing to run (system monitor, gparted) - |
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| 17:33.47 | mordy | :( |
| 17:33.57 | wols | mordy: that doesn't say ANYTHING what error it is |
| 17:34.01 | wols | it's a "doesn't work" |
| 17:34.10 | roe_ | is htere a better channel to discuess linux networking issues? |
| 17:34.20 | mordy | wols - where do i find that error? |
| 17:34.30 | roe_ | other than the distro that I am using, that is. |
| 17:34.39 | wols | open a terminal run a program which does not work |
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| 17:35.03 | mordy | wols - i am unable to open a terminal now as well |
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| 17:35.43 | wols | mokka: what did you change lately? |
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| 17:36.06 | leOn | wols: my guess he disconnected to lauch a program in that shell |
| 17:36.23 | \amethyst | perhaps the IP address changed? |
| 17:36.23 | wols | leOn: huh? |
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| 17:36.38 | leOn | < mordy> wols - i am unable to open a terminal now as well |
| 17:36.38 | leOn | ùÃù Signoff mordy: #debian (Remote closed the connection) |
| 17:38.05 | alexcabrera | Hi, I'm trying to figure out a way to restore my debian system to it's initial install state. I just want uninstall everything that wouldn't have been included in a bare debian install. Any thoughts? |
| 17:38.36 | valdyn | alexcabrera: reinstall |
| 17:38.56 | alexcabrera | valdyn: I was hoping there was something like dpkg -r everything |
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| 17:39.12 | abrotman | alexcabrera: you could purge everything not in certain priorities |
| 17:39.20 | valdyn | alexcabrera: that thing you are trying to do has no reasonable purpose |
| 17:39.26 | valdyn | alexcabrera: and reinstalling is easy enough |
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| 17:40.37 | valdyn | or maybe he used tasksel and wants to get back to base + that task, who knows |
| 17:40.42 | leOn | alexcabrera: that's why it's always good to keep /home on a separate partition |
| 17:40.54 | leOn | so you can reinstall without loosing your data |
| 17:41.05 | valdyn | alexcabrera: tell us what the purpose is, im sure someone can tell you a way |
| 17:41.24 | valdyn | alexcabrera: but removing everything non-essential isnt useful |
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| 17:46.11 | mordy | wols, it appears i formatted the wrong partition |
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| 17:48.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | R.I.P |
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| 17:49.05 | pumpkin0 | i want to download a flashbased internet video. (the server is too slow to stream it and i want to watch it in one piece). It's from AOLvideo.com. Are there any rippers in debian that work with that site ? |
| 17:50.52 | Sprossel | use firefox with flashdownload addon |
| 17:50.54 | alexcabrera | valdyn: I've tried setting up the system and screwed up a bunch of dependencies. Basically all I want to keep is my networking setup and remove all non essential packages |
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| 17:51.20 | mordy | oh, false alarm |
| 17:51.21 | mordy | lol |
| 17:51.28 | leOn | pumpkin0: there's a firefox extension called videodownloader that might work, but it's not compatible with version 3.0 |
| 17:51.32 | mordy | i didn't know my old computer could boot froma floppy |
| 17:51.43 | mordy | err.. i mean USB\ |
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| 17:52.22 | pumpkin0 | leOn: will try it. the downgrade of FF will take some time, so thanks in advance. |
| 17:52.40 | valdyn | alexcabrera: i dont know what you installed but |
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| 17:52.56 | valdyn | alexcabrera: is this a desktop? or just a server? |
| 17:53.05 | valdyn | alexcabrera: removing X might get most of you stuff off |
| 17:53.07 | valdyn | !remove x |
| 17:53.07 | dpkg | methinks remove x is "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. use "purge" instead of remove if you want it to also remove X's configuration. |
| 17:53.10 | alexcabrera | valdyn: server. It's actually a xen image |
| 17:53.15 | valdyn | alexcabrera: ok |
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| 17:53.40 | alexcabrera | valdyn: but I had to do a bunch of networking stuff that was a PITA and I don't want to lose it |
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| 17:54.17 | piasdom | hello |
| 17:54.19 | valdyn | alexcabrera: /var/log/dpkg.log has stuff you installed logged |
| 17:54.35 | piasdom | can someone help me /w a segmentation fault ? |
| 17:55.10 | alexcabrera | valdyn: so just do it in reverse? Awesome |
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| 17:55.27 | adama | piasdom: fire away |
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| 17:55.46 | piasdom | it's when i use a broswer...any |
| 17:55.58 | piasdom | it just shuts down |
| 17:56.10 | ick | aptitude update && aptitude install emacs22 returns that emacs22-gtk has no installable candidates. |
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| 17:56.22 | piasdom | and thank you adama |
| 17:56.30 | ick | piasdom: are you already running it from a terminal? |
| 17:57.03 | adama | piasdom: what's the error? just segmentation fault? |
| 17:57.05 | piasdom | i ran it from a terminal to see the error..i usually use the icon |
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| 17:57.20 | piasdom | just that |
| 17:58.01 | ick | piasdom: you can try reinstalling, since in these cases, it might be that you harddisk is failing. |
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| 17:58.13 | ick | piasdom: your* |
| 17:58.15 | piasdom | oh oh |
| 17:58.34 | ick | piasdom: normally you get some library errors when there is something wrong with those. |
| 17:58.38 | piasdom | please don't tell me that...i just gotthe thing about april |
| 17:58.40 | piasdom | :) |
| 17:58.44 | ick | piasdom: this is Unstable? |
| 17:59.08 | piasdom | i'm useing it now...only toruble /w browsers |
| 17:59.10 | abrotman | piasdom: which many browsers have you tried ? |
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| 17:59.27 | abrotman | s/much// |
| 17:59.28 | ick | piasdom: already tried links2? :) |
| 17:59.32 | piasdom | konqueror...firefox...mozilla |
| 17:59.40 | abrotman | dillo ? |
| 17:59.41 | valdyn | alexcabrera: yes, nearly, just try not to remove essential packages |
| 17:59.50 | valdyn | alexcabrera: usually you will notice that easily |
| 17:59.51 | piasdom | never heard of links2 |
| 18:00.05 | alexcabrera | valdyn: thanks for the help, I'm sure I'll eff it up anyways |
| 18:00.07 | ick | piasdom: text browser. |
| 18:00.26 | valdyn | alexcabrera: like libc6 wont go without a big fat warning |
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| 18:00.47 | piasdom | you mean kword ? |
| 18:00.48 | abrotman | piasdom: cat /var/log/messages .. see any IO seek messages? |
| 18:00.55 | piasdom | ok brb |
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| 18:01.34 | AbortRetryFail | dillo is awesome :) it's even fast on my crappy natsemi geode machine |
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| 18:02.17 | ick | But... how can I install emacs? (see question above) |
| 18:03.19 | abrotman | ick: you forgot to tell us which version of debian |
| 18:03.39 | ick | abrotman: unstable |
| 18:03.56 | beardy | ick: Same way you install other things. With aptitude. There are several versions of emacs, one for X, one built without X parts, a specfic xemacs, and possibly more. Also, what abrotman said. |
| 18:04.11 | abrotman | well .. emacs22-gtk is in sid .. |
| 18:04.19 | abrotman | try to install that independently |
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| 18:05.22 | ick | abrotman: weird. That seems to work. It seems as if there are two emacs22-gtk's and one is installable and the other is the dependency of emacs22. |
| 18:05.32 | xann | Hello, which tool to use for verifying a hdd? (I'm getting ext3 errors) |
| 18:05.58 | pumpkin0 | xann: quick test with smartctl -a /dev/drive |
| 18:06.01 | ick | abrotman: nah, it doesn't work. |
| 18:06.07 | abrotman | ick: if it makes you feel any better .. emacs22-gtk 'provides' emacs22 |
| 18:06.27 | pumpkin0 | xann: the longer and effective tests usually destroy the data. So make backups. |
| 18:06.29 | ick | abrotman: errors found during configure of dependent packages (all the emacs*) ones. |
| 18:06.36 | piasdom | i ran cat /var/log/messages and i gave me a bunch of stuff...filled my buffer |
| 18:06.42 | abrotman | that's different than can't install |
| 18:06.50 | abrotman | piasdom: you were looking for seek errors |
| 18:07.54 | piasdom | i just ran it...doesn't know what it means :) |
| 18:08.25 | abrotman | you can put some of it in a pastebin if oyu want |
| 18:08.30 | abrotman | it will say that it's an error |
| 18:08.34 | abrotman | or you can also try a memtest |
| 18:08.35 | piasdom | towards the end..it give a lot of localhost -- mark |
| 18:09.03 | abrotman | nah .. that's nothing |
| 18:09.04 | piasdom | ok i'll put it at pastebin brb |
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| 18:11.04 | mordy | i've got a display problem - in boot initialization it says "switching to color framebuffer" and then changes the whole display so the entire display is reduced to the lower-left quadrant of the monitor |
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| 18:11.31 | mordy | and of course, x doesn't work - and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at best gives me a grey screen |
| 18:12.10 | piasdom | it's here.........http://pastebin.com/m3d6a3d51 |
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| 18:17.25 | abrotman | don't see anything too bad |
| 18:17.38 | abrotman | piasdom: do you have flash installed? |
| 18:17.46 | piasdom | no |
| 18:17.53 | abrotman | try dillo perhaps |
| 18:17.59 | abrotman | i'd run a memtest overnight probably also |
| 18:18.04 | piasdom | dillo ? |
| 18:18.09 | abrotman | it's a browser |
| 18:18.15 | piasdom | i'll run it when i leave |
| 18:18.22 | td123 | dillo is a web browser, very lightweight and minimal |
| 18:18.33 | piasdom | i'll go look for it ....thanks abrotman |
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| 18:20.42 | ponyofdeath | hi, wondering if debian supports kickstart files and how do i correctly pass the info to the kernel from pxe. ks=http://file.ks doesnt seem to work |
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| 18:22.08 | marc7 | ponyofdeath: do you mean preseed files? |
| 18:22.25 | ponyofdeath | marc7: basically for automating the options during the install |
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| 18:22.33 | marc7 | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 18:22.52 | marc7 | and related google searches for debian+preseed |
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| 18:23.08 | ponyofdeath | marc7: thanks i guess debian doesnt support kickstart files |
| 18:23.42 | marc7 | jumpstart, kickstart, preseed... they're all flavor specific methods |
| 18:23.55 | marc7 | jumpstart is solaris, kickstart is redhat, preseed is debian |
| 18:24.27 | ponyofdeath | marc7: thanks |
| 18:24.31 | abrotman | and FAI |
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| 18:27.02 | IloveIT | hi guys :) |
| 18:27.04 | IloveIT | you have to download this song! it's great :) |
| 18:27.06 | IloveIT | http://rapidshare.com/files/130430991/Alex_Gaudino_-_Destination_Calabria.mp3.html |
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| 18:27.31 | cr3rzemjest | I will not! |
| 18:27.52 | ick | IloveIT wants a ban. |
| 18:27.57 | IloveIT | oh but it'S the best |
| 18:28.02 | IloveIT | why ban for this? sorry |
| 18:28.22 | cr3rzemjest | i've seen the videoclip 1 year ago |
| 18:28.28 | IloveIT | yeah |
| 18:28.32 | cr3rzemjest | iz better than RAW MUSIC |
| 18:28.33 | IloveIT | but it's great for ever ;) |
| 18:28.55 | Aquaraptor | Hi. I'm trying to do this: http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer#stable-with-backports but at the first step, this happens: http://pastebin.ca/1074561 |
| 18:29.02 | Aquaraptor | using sudo is the same |
| 18:29.02 | ick | IloveIT: are you a bot? |
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| 18:29.23 | IloveIT | ick: no OO |
| 18:29.30 | cr3rzemjest | haha, yes u r |
| 18:29.34 | IloveIT | haha :D |
| 18:29.37 | IloveIT | funny u are^^ |
| 18:29.52 | ick | IloveIT: until now you haven't produced anything that's not possible with current bot technology. |
| 18:29.54 | abrotman | IloveIT: go away, stop spamming |
| 18:30.01 | Aquaraptor | any ideas? |
| 18:30.09 | IloveIT | i don't spam, i'm just serching for some conversation :) |
| 18:30.12 | IloveIT | searching |
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| 18:30.27 | mordy | where's the first place i'd look to see what's wrong with my system? |
| 18:30.27 | abrotman | IloveIT: this isn't the channel, try #defocus |
| 18:30.30 | wols | IloveIT: this is no conversation channel. do you have a debian related question? |
| 18:30.32 | ick | These ****** make money by lots of people downloading their files. |
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| 18:30.39 | wols | mordy: in your brain |
| 18:30.49 | wols | mordy: and I don't mean that in a derogatory way |
| 18:30.55 | wols | always think first |
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| 18:31.01 | IloveIT | :) |
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| 18:31.18 | wols | abrotman: he already committed a bannable offense. just do it |
| 18:31.21 | mordy | wols, i understand- but i'm overwhelmed now by so many problems - i just don't see where to start. i'm gathering there's some form of log though |
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| 18:31.40 | om | hi all who is make drivers on ethernet cart ? |
| 18:31.54 | cr3rzemjest | debian = deb + ian, deb was a female, and there are women in this song, so it is debian related question |
| 18:31.59 | wols | mordy: what videocard? |
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| 18:32.10 | wols | om: what do you mean? |
| 18:32.26 | mordy | wols - ATI - but i'm afraid there are more problems - for example, i can't ssh to the box now |
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| 18:32.49 | wols | mordy: on problem after the other. NOT all at once |
| 18:32.59 | Sedrik | Hi -- I'm having trouble installing a CPAN module. configure keeps getting the error: "C compiler cannot create executables". I have gcc installed. I have build-essentials installed as well. Any other ideas? |
| 18:32.59 | wols | mordy: and you didn't answer my question: what videocard |
| 18:33.01 | IloveIT | can i start debian from my windows hard drive? |
| 18:33.12 | cmdln | I cant seem to find an example d-i line for excluding a package, can anyone give me an example or point me to some documentation that says how to exclude a package with preseed? |
| 18:33.13 | mordy | ATI radeon x600 |
| 18:33.16 | moope1 | hello, I have just installed open xchange on a box. its based on debain and the apt-get reposotaries dont seem to be working - 401 error. can I use the debian repos? |
| 18:33.18 | mordy | mobility |
| 18:33.18 | wols | !tell Sedrik about build-essential |
| 18:33.22 | wols | mordy: and what driver? |
| 18:33.35 | justin | moope1: is it debian, or based on debian? |
| 18:33.45 | moope1 | Linux ox-ee 2.6.15-26-server #1 SMP Thu Aug 3 04:09:15 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 18:33.54 | Sedrik | wols: I already have build-essential installed. |
| 18:33.54 | mordy | ATI proprietary |
| 18:34.02 | justin | moope1: what does /etc/apt/sources.list have? |
| 18:34.08 | wols | moope1: not debian. not our problem. ask your distro not us |
| 18:34.16 | wols | Sedrik: I doubt it |
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| 18:34.30 | wols | Sedrik: dpkg -l|grep binutils |
| 18:34.31 | moope1 | justin: Its based on debian |
| 18:34.37 | wols | moope1: then you are in the wrong channel |
| 18:34.45 | moope1 | :( |
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| 18:34.53 | wols | mordy: where did you get the drivers? |
| 18:35.02 | Sedrik | wols: ii binutils 2.17-3 |
| 18:35.08 | Sedrik | wols: ii build-essential 11.3 |
| 18:35.10 | wols | Sedrik: check your configure log then |
| 18:35.18 | mordy | wols, from the ATI site - |
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| 18:35.27 | justin | moope1: if you don't know how to tell the difference between the debian parts and the not debian parts, just ask the distro people |
| 18:35.29 | wols | mordy: not our problem. not supported here |
| 18:35.32 | Sedrik | wols: Already did -- configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables |
| 18:35.53 | wols | there are several config* files. one of them has the error. search |
| 18:36.00 | shefqeti | moope1: where did you install xchange from? As I just now saw, there are some packages as plugins for evolution, but no xchange per se in debian |
| 18:36.14 | wols | shefqeti: he is not using debian in the first place |
| 18:36.56 | mordy | wols, how can i get rid of it? |
| 18:37.07 | shefqeti | wols: some paths to follow i can give tho. I just ate and will soon head for a beer then home. :D hate me |
| 18:37.12 | wols | mordy: ask ati |
| 18:37.26 | adama | is it possible to do some kind of lsof on a TCP port, to see what executable is listening there? |
| 18:37.28 | wols | shefqeti: then help him in his distro channel, not here |
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| 18:37.35 | moope1 | shefqeti: Its debian based |
| 18:37.35 | wols | adama: netstat |
| 18:37.39 | wols | !debian based |
| 18:37.40 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 18:38.24 | leOn | later |
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| 18:38.29 | shefqeti | moope1: then the best thing to do is search where to find them guys. they might have a chan in freenode too. wols is right, here it's debian |
| 18:38.57 | wols | moope1: what distro is it? |
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| 18:40.21 | Dave345 | hi - i have a couple of debian etch servers, and they both output their iptables logs to the screen of tty1 - any idea how i can stop this? |
| 18:41.25 | Sedrik | wols: There's no other log file besides config.log. config.log has quite a bit of information, but the only apparently is the lack of ability for the compiler to create executables. (it looks like it's finding 'cc' rather than 'gcc') |
| 18:41.40 | shefqeti | Dave345: from scripts or even when you command line ? |
| 18:42.04 | wols | cc is fine |
| 18:42.10 | moope1 | wols: it is all debian |
| 18:42.20 | wols | moope1: it is NOT debian |
| 18:42.22 | moope1 | I just used some debian repros and it seems to be working |
| 18:42.31 | Dave345 | shefqeti: when i'm just sat there, staring at bash |
| 18:42.32 | wols | only debian is debian |
| 18:42.50 | moope1 | wols: I knows its not debian but its all debian'e |
| 18:42.59 | moope1 | like ubuntu used to be |
| 18:43.05 | justin | wols: if all it is is a preconfigured debian install with an extra package or two, that is still debian |
| 18:43.17 | moope1 | justin, thats a better description |
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| 18:43.29 | wols | justin: it is debian if it's named debian. only way it can be debian |
| 18:43.30 | justin | moope1: that is why I asked you what was in your sources.list file |
| 18:43.36 | shefqeti | Dave345: do you have a firewall setup? I'd check it's config file to see where it outputs the logs. And then change that maybe |
| 18:43.39 | wols | justin: you are wrong |
| 18:43.41 | justin | moope1: before you added anything |
| 18:43.42 | td123 | Dave345: can't you just pipe to /dev/null if you don't want anything to show? |
| 18:43.46 | moope1 | dpkg: keygen |
| 18:44.15 | dpkg | moope1: no idea |
| 18:44.15 | wols | td123: it's the kernel that outputs it. kinda hard to pipe |
| 18:44.15 | moope1 | dpkg: keyring |
| 18:44.15 | dpkg | keyring is probably a circular ring of metal for holding keys... in the context of debian, the public gpg keys. |
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| 18:44.15 | Dave345 | shefqeti: yes i do, its set to the default log level, which i do want, i just dont want it output to the screen |
| 18:44.15 | justin | wols: who says it is not named debian? |
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| 18:44.15 | wols | justin: him. "debian based" |
| 18:44.16 | td123 | wols: whoops |
| 18:44.19 | moope1 | whats the keyring package? |
| 18:44.19 | wols | and his kernel never ever was debian |
| 18:44.34 | wols | !topicsmite moope1 |
| 18:44.34 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon moope1. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 18:44.37 | justin | wols: ok.. that is one package... how many other ones are different? |
| 18:44.42 | mordy | wols, what's the name of the free driver? (for apt-get) |
| 18:44.52 | wols | justin: irrelevant. it is not debian. period |
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| 18:44.58 | wols | mordy: ati |
| 18:45.03 | Dave345 | td123: i want to output it to a file, but thats not working |
| 18:45.10 | mordy | apt-get install ati? |
| 18:45.14 | moope1 | wols gah |
| 18:45.15 | wols | moope1: no |
| 18:45.23 | wols | mordy: no |
| 18:45.27 | moope1 | ho hum |
| 18:45.55 | wols | Dave345: it's already in a file |
| 18:45.59 | moope1 | aha! keychain |
| 18:46.11 | Dave345 | wols: any idea how to make the harrassment from iptables stop? |
| 18:46.16 | shefqeti | Dave345: you might search for a setting that says where to log. usually it won't touch anything from loglevels. there might be something that sends the output to tty1 for some reason and that's why you have all that all the time at tty1 |
| 18:46.19 | micols | My filesystem is perhaps corrupt and i have no option of fscking it, my ati graphics card x1950pro shows weird pixel errors in opengl/fgl_glxgears/games/video/webcam, but not in 2d/booting/Xorg only in direct video 'direct output to videocard' etc.. , any ideas how to fix it? i tried recompiling, removing /lib/modules/* , fglrx drivers etc which did help before, i dont think its my graphics card which is defective, my rootfs is on NFS so i cannot fsck it |
| 18:46.24 | wols | Dave345: inittab or sysctl.conf. forgot whicht |
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| 18:46.34 | moope1 | /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 18:46.57 | moope1 | dpkg: no public key |
| 18:47.05 | wols | shefqeti: it does BOTH |
| 18:47.09 | wols | !tell moope1 about selftell |
| 18:47.17 | Dave345 | wols: do you mean /etc/syslogd ? |
| 18:47.22 | moope1 | wols, no hes just being very slow |
| 18:47.25 | wols | Dave345: no I don't |
| 18:47.29 | moope1 | I tried msg |
| 18:47.50 | Dave345 | woldi cant find anything in my inittab or sysctl.conf about tty1, except spawn tty1 in innttab |
| 18:48.07 | wols | Dave345: you have to add some setting IIRC |
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| 18:48.52 | wols | Dave345: have you googled? |
| 18:49.03 | wols | the cuplrit doing it is "printk" btw |
| 18:50.53 | Dave345 | wols: yes, lots, over the space of about a year ( they are remote servers, i rarely have to look at tty1) |
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| 18:51.28 | wols | googled how to DISABLE it! |
| 18:51.52 | Dave345 | wols: yes, thats the idea |
| 18:52.04 | Dave345 | wols: unless you mean the firewall, but if so, i'll call that plan B |
| 18:52.45 | wols | did you do it? |
| 18:52.57 | wols | as in right now? |
| 18:53.01 | Dave345 | yes |
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| 18:53.11 | Dave345 | (googled, not disabled the firewall) |
| 18:53.12 | wols | and why didn't you find anything? |
| 18:53.18 | wols | there are 61k hits |
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| 18:53.31 | Dave345 | wols: because google hates me and wants me to find irrelevant data (i'm rubbish at googling) |
| 18:54.00 | wols | stop printk to console |
| 18:54.30 | mordy | how can i search apt-cache filtering only those packages which are installed? |
| 18:54.47 | Dave345 | mordy: dpk --get-selections | grep ^installed ( i think ) |
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| 18:55.10 | wols | dpkg -l |grep ^ii |
| 18:55.10 | dpkg | ii |grep ^ii 1.5-4.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:55.24 | wols | mordy: ask in your distro channel |
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| 18:56.17 | mordy | wols, i'm using debian etch |
| 18:56.29 | mordy | you know that |
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| 18:56.46 | wols | mordy: you don't. we all know that |
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| 18:56.59 | wols | mordy: oops. sorry. thought you were moope1 |
| 18:57.11 | wols | mordy: as for the ati package it's already installed |
| 18:57.22 | mordy | yes, i'm trying to remove it |
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| 19:03.50 | moope1 | :) |
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| 19:15.45 | clemente | urxvt, bash. I would like Control-Alt-S to block the terminal (like Control-S now). I can either make C-A-s send ^S or configure stty so that it accepts C-A-s as a char for ixon. Which way is possible? |
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| 19:18.22 | htmlol | wait, what? |
| 19:18.26 | Nyle | what? |
| 19:18.32 | loquitus_of_borg | Hey people. I have a question. Why is it that if I ssh (with X11 forwarding) to a remote host and run firefox THERE, it runs locally? I know this is a fact since I have different versions installed locally from remotely, and when it loads, it is clearly the local version with the same bookmarks and access to local resources. |
| 19:18.33 | Nyle | jinx |
| 19:18.45 | htmlol | OMG I'M 5 AND I CAN'T TALK NOW :O |
| 19:19.03 | Nyle | punches htmlol |
| 19:19.09 | Nyle | shaddup |
| 19:19.25 | wols | loquitus_of_borg: no it runs remotely and displays locally, that's all |
| 19:19.32 | Nyle | loquitus_of_borg, what wols said |
| 19:19.33 | htmlol | loquitus_of_borg: firefox is weird that way. try starting it in a different profile than your home with the -profilemanager flag |
| 19:19.45 | Trewas | loquitus_of_borg: it has worked like that since the days of netscape (but only when you have a local browser already running) |
| 19:19.46 | htmlol | although you could be crazy and wols is right |
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| 19:20.07 | Nyle | he maybe not crazy but owls is right |
| 19:20.21 | htmlol | heheh |
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| 19:21.10 | Julouste | Where are the user configurations found, so I can change the default shell of a user? |
| 19:21.28 | Trewas | wols: that's not right actually, it really has some magic to use the local instance if it is already running |
| 19:21.39 | wols | roaming profiles? |
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| 19:21.58 | abrotman | Julouste: chsh |
| 19:22.48 | Julouste | abrotman: there isn't a text file I can edit? |
| 19:22.56 | PinkFreud | heya folks. think there might be a problem with how the installer on the netinst image deals with openssh key generation. |
| 19:23.37 | wols | PinkFreud: how does the netinst image deal with openssh keys at all? IIRC there is no openssh on the netinst image... |
| 19:23.49 | \amethyst | Julouste: it's in /etc/passwd normally, but chsh is the preferred way of changing it |
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| 19:23.58 | PinkFreud | wols: there is if you use netconsole. heh. |
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| 19:24.19 | clemente | Something simpler: can stty accept a the Alt modifier in a key used to send signals like start/stop/...? |
| 19:24.20 | \amethyst | Julouste: or do you mean the default shell for newly-created users? |
| 19:24.21 | PinkFreud | and netconsole's sshd is most definitely vulnerable to the key issue |
| 19:24.29 | wols | PinkFreud: no there is not. the image has no openssh, period |
| 19:24.37 | loquitus_of_borg | wols: dude. I KNOW that it is not the remote version ok? I have different versions of firefox installed. Perhaps you missed that part. |
| 19:24.49 | PinkFreud | wols: oh. wow, why didn't you tell me that *before* I used it to install 4 servers? |
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| 19:24.52 | PinkFreud | heh. |
| 19:25.04 | abrotman | Julouste: there is .. but chsh is the right way |
| 19:25.08 | loquitus_of_borg | htmlol: you're right. I sshed as a different user and now the remote version ran |
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| 19:25.09 | loquitus_of_borg | wierd. |
| 19:25.15 | wols | PinkFreud: netconsole is not part of debian it seems. what package is it in? |
| 19:25.41 | PinkFreud | it's one of the installer packages, handed by anna-install |
| 19:25.49 | \amethyst | Julouste: run chsh username /path/to/shell for an existing user, edit /etc/adduser.conf to change the default for new users |
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| 19:26.04 | PinkFreud | try selecting 'Load additional components from cd' |
| 19:26.27 | PinkFreud | iirc, it's 'network-console' |
| 19:26.37 | wols | PinkFreud: netinst doesn't load stuff from CD. the 150MB is all it has and that's the base system. rest is via apt. that's the point of netinst |
| 19:26.43 | abrotman | \amethyst: i thought it was the other way ? |
| 19:27.00 | \amethyst | abrotman: ? |
| 19:27.06 | abrotman | \amethyst: chsh -s /path/to/shell USERNAME |
| 19:27.16 | \amethyst | oh, you're right |
| 19:27.20 | abrotman | so sayeth the man page |
| 19:27.21 | PinkFreud | one moment while I look at the image again. |
| 19:27.22 | wols | PinkFreud: and the vulnerability was in the openssl libs, so if you have a image without a fixed openssl then yes |
| 19:27.22 | \amethyst | and the -s |
| 19:27.35 | PinkFreud | wols: the 4.0r3 image, which is the latest, yes |
| 19:28.01 | DeliPenguen | debian says "Port 10000 is already in use". how can i find which program is using this port? |
| 19:28.02 | PinkFreud | ./pool/main/n/network-console/network-console_1.11_i386.udeb |
| 19:28.04 | wols | that was made before DSA1571. tho ther is no network-console either btw |
| 19:28.07 | PinkFreud | it is indeed on the image. |
| 19:28.20 | mordy | why do i get a "connection refused" when trying to ssh to my box? this didn't happen before |
| 19:28.22 | PinkFreud | wols: I corrected myself above. It's 'network-console' |
| 19:28.22 | wols | !info network-console |
| 19:29.08 | mordy | i guess dpkg is dead again |
| 19:29.23 | PinkFreud | wols: However, when the installation is completed, I receive a warning that new ssh keys are going to be generated due to the vulnerabilitiy. |
| 19:29.59 | PinkFreud | wols: After I boot into the newly-installed system, I find two sets of rsa keys and two sets of dsa keys - one set of each ends in .broken |
| 19:30.04 | wols | I'd consider that a bug. check bts or tell #debian-install |
| 19:30.10 | wols | #debian-boot |
| 19:30.19 | PinkFreud | yet, both sets of rsa keys are on the blacklist |
| 19:30.35 | PinkFreud | only the .broken dsa key is |
| 19:30.42 | PinkFreud | but both sets of rsa keys are. |
| 19:30.49 | PinkFreud | hmm |
| 19:30.55 | PinkFreud | #debian-install or #debian-boot? |
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| 19:31.34 | wols | boot |
| 19:31.42 | wols | but first check bts |
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| 19:32.06 | PinkFreud | ahh. not a very lively channel, as there's next to no one in it. :) |
| 19:32.15 | PinkFreud | alrighty, will check bts. |
| 19:32.20 | PinkFreud | thanks. |
| 19:32.21 | Nyle | try on irc.debian.org |
| 19:32.25 | Nyle | on oftc |
| 19:32.25 | mordy | is fglrx the free driver? |
| 19:32.32 | Nyle | fglrx is not the free driver |
| 19:32.47 | mordy | which one is the free one? |
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| 19:32.47 | Nyle | mordy, /msg dpkg flgrx |
| 19:32.47 | Nyle | mordy, /msg dpkg ati |
| 19:32.48 | bhundven | ati is the free driver |
| 19:32.49 | Nyle | radeon |
| 19:32.56 | Nyle | and radeonhd |
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| 19:33.03 | PinkFreud | radeon or radeonhd, depending on the hardware you're using |
| 19:33.09 | PinkFreud | heh, beat me to it, nyle |
| 19:33.14 | Nyle | Nyle |
| 19:33.19 | Nyle | yes |
| 19:33.21 | Nyle | yes I did |
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| 19:33.24 | PinkFreud | Denny Crane |
| 19:33.30 | JordiGH | How do you change the LUKS encryption password? crypsetup(8) is, well, cryptic. :-) |
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| 19:34.11 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: you'd probably need to use luksAddKey first, and then luksDelKey to remove the old key |
| 19:34.16 | mordy | when does the graphics driver initialize? is it supposed to take effect during boot? or only in X? |
| 19:34.32 | wols | X |
| 19:34.34 | JordiGH | PinkFreud: Is there possibility of screwing this up and having an unbootable drive? |
| 19:34.43 | mordy | hmm.. then my problem is not an X problem |
| 19:34.54 | Nyle | what problem |
| 19:34.55 | mordy | nor is it a driver problem - it seems :-? |
| 19:35.34 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: it's possible, especially if you're using LUKS for, say, your root device. as long as you enter the password correctly, though, I'd say there's not much chance of it breaking. :) |
| 19:35.42 | mordy | Nyle, the boot text is tiny - and only seems to use the lower left portion of the screen - i'm fearing a hardware failure :-s |
| 19:35.50 | PinkFreud | if you're paranoid, add the new key, then reboot. |
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| 19:36.07 | JordiGH | PinkFreud: I'm scared... it is the root partition that's encrypted. |
| 19:36.08 | PinkFreud | try using the new key. if it fails, then use your old key to decrypt the filesystem. |
| 19:36.27 | mordy | hehe, let me check this |
| 19:36.29 | PinkFreud | if it works, then simply use cryptsetup luksDelKey to remove the old password |
| 19:36.42 | Nyle | tiny boot text |
| 19:36.47 | Nyle | hm |
| 19:36.49 | Nyle | weird |
| 19:36.51 | JordiGH | so... |
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| 19:37.15 | mordy | yeah, but it seems to be a configuration problem - since i just tried a live CD, and it's working fine |
| 19:37.40 | wols | !tell mordy about errors |
| 19:37.47 | PinkFreud | mordy: sounds like a framebuffer issue, perhaps? |
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| 19:37.58 | mordy | pinkfreud, indeed |
| 19:38.25 | PinkFreud | mordy: I don't have details handy, but one can typically add 'vga=...' to the boot arguments to control that. |
| 19:38.42 | hacksilber | soh im using debian etch, and i have an nvidia mcp61 ethernet card, which gets randomly assigned mac addresses.... |
| 19:39.05 | mordy | at the grub loader? |
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| 19:39.19 | PinkFreud | ..., of course, is the number of a video mode you'd like to use. There's documentation with the kernel, and you should be able to stumble across similar documentation easily via google. |
| 19:39.36 | hacksilber | i can't get out to the internet |
| 19:39.44 | hacksilber | and my ethx device fails |
| 19:39.55 | hacksilber | any ideas? |
| 19:40.09 | hacksilber | *this is from a fresh install of etch* |
| 19:40.50 | mordy | hmm... i'm totally clueless as to the commands - i don't even know what to search for |
| 19:41.44 | roe___ | hacksilber, I was having issues with an nvidia chipset recently, I forget the exact model number but I ended up putting a 3com card in |
| 19:41.48 | JordiGH | root@Iris# cryptsetup luksAddKey $some_password ? |
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| 19:41.56 | mordy | debian-boot vga=normal? |
| 19:42.02 | hacksilber | sighs |
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| 19:42.13 | mordy | meh, unrecognized |
| 19:42.19 | hacksilber | the only other nic i have is a realtec and it doesn't seem to like that one either |
| 19:42.44 | hacksilber | even the netinstaller didn't like that one |
| 19:42.53 | hacksilber | but it runs with the mcp61 until i reboot into the system |
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| 19:43.17 | roe___ | do you know the name of the module? |
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| 19:44.01 | hacksilber | for the realtec or nvidia? roe___ |
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| 19:44.20 | roe___ | hacksilber, nvidia |
| 19:44.32 | hacksilber | roe___: forcedeth |
| 19:44.39 | leoechevarria | hi every1 |
| 19:44.43 | roe___ | right forcedeth, appropos don 't you think |
| 19:44.55 | hacksilber | and the module is loaded, but wont bring up ethX |
| 19:45.04 | roe___ | there is a newer version of that module upstream, .41 if I remember correctly |
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| 19:45.12 | roe___ | it didn't help me but it might help you |
| 19:45.21 | roe___ | 2.6.25 I think is the kernel version |
| 19:45.34 | hacksilber | how do i get it if i can't get the comp out to the internet? |
| 19:45.53 | roe___ | it was completely hardlocking my machine |
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| 19:46.00 | magyar_ | hi, what is the command to install kernel source and other packages? |
| 19:46.26 | roe___ | hacksilber, good question, you don't have another machine that you can "borrow" it's nic for a bit? |
| 19:46.33 | roe___ | magyar, apt? |
| 19:46.45 | roe___ | !apt |
| 19:46.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get, apt-cache, and aptitude. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 19:46.49 | hacksilber | well the borrowed nic doesn't work |
| 19:46.58 | hacksilber | rather debian doesn't seem to play nice |
| 19:47.25 | roe___ | my "unhelpful" advice would be to get your hands on some cheap 3com cards, they are rock solid in linux and most can netboot if you are so inclined |
| 19:47.27 | hacksilber | anyway i can boot off the cd and chroot in? |
| 19:47.41 | hacksilber | its a netinst cd |
| 19:47.42 | magyar_ | roe_, nahh, there is a way to issue a command that will get all the necessary packages to build |
| 19:47.57 | roe___ | apt-get install build-essentials |
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| 19:48.17 | blaatmeh | is gnome-terminal broken in sid? |
| 19:48.25 | roe___ | hacksilber, if it is a netinst cd then it must have connected to the internet to finish the install |
| 19:48.36 | roe___ | or is the install stalled |
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| 19:49.02 | hacksilber | roe___: i know that's what is confusng me, it works fine on the netinstall cd but when i boot into the system after its done i get this problem |
| 19:49.07 | mordy | :-< |
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| 19:49.36 | roe___ | hacksilber, like I said I was able to get the forcedeth module to work sporatically |
| 19:50.10 | roe___ | since it wasn't solid enough to deploy I didn't bother fighting too much with it |
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| 19:50.34 | hacksilber | how? |
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| 19:50.59 | kenjy | hi, I have a string in file, for example 23.4% how can cut that % in the bash output when I do cat a cat to the file? |
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| 19:51.31 | PinkFreud | JordiGH: something along those lines. check the man page for cryptsetup to make sure. |
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| 19:52.35 | roe___ | hacksilber, I keep a box of nics I know work in linux |
| 19:52.42 | hacksilber | i can at least try a kernel update if i can get it working |
| 19:53.31 | Fubarovic | i have a package that fails the post install procedure, but i have it running fine. however dpkg keeps trying to rerun the failing procedure after each "aptitude install", is it possible to set the status of the package from iF to ii manually? |
| 19:53.51 | mordy | pinkfreud - how do i tell it to use vga at boot? how do i even manage to get it to boot? what's the command? |
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| 19:56.49 | kenjy | any way to do this? |
| 19:57.29 | vlt | Hello. How can I make one machine's block device available on another one? I tried nbd-server but it seems as if it wants a real file to share to the nbd-clients ... Any idea? |
| 19:57.43 | Fubarovic | iscsi, vlt |
| 19:58.52 | vlt | Fubarovic: Thanks, I'll try |
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| 20:06.08 | eddieBB | i want to run a windows program with wine that requires Java. is that possible |
| 20:06.11 | eddieBB | ? |
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| 20:07.45 | n3kl | eddieBB: try it |
| 20:08.11 | nkuttler | Fubarovic: fix the postinst script or make it exit 0? |
| 20:08.31 | eddieBB | n3kl: i did but everytime i try to open the file it prompts me to install java |
| 20:08.44 | eddieBB | n3kl: when i accept |
| 20:08.57 | cjae | Hi can I download just one iso cd image and install the rest from the net? without having to download all the .iso images? |
| 20:08.58 | eddieBB | n3kl: it starts installing then stops |
| 20:09.29 | n3kl | !tell cjae about netinstall |
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| 20:09.56 | n3kl | eddieBB: dunno. There is a #wine though. I seem to remeber having the same problem a long time ago |
| 20:09.57 | Fubarovic | nkuttler , doesn't that involve repackaging the .deb? |
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| 20:10.07 | n3kl | eddieBB: have you googled the subject |
| 20:10.12 | eddieBB | n3kl: yes |
| 20:10.27 | cjae | or what is the recommended way to do a debian install for someone who had not installed it before? |
| 20:10.31 | nkuttler | Fubarovic: /var/lib/dpkg/info/foo.postinst |
| 20:10.41 | eddieBB | n3kl: i've been kicked from the channel. it said invite only |
| 20:10.53 | s0n1 | someone knows a debian iso withc suport a RAID for hardware ? |
| 20:10.58 | filipe__ | Does anyone know of a program that can retrieve emails from yahoo and make them available as pop3? I know there is such a program for windows. |
| 20:11.07 | mordy | try #winehq |
| 20:11.26 | filipe__ | mordy: is that for me? |
| 20:11.32 | nkuttler | filipe__: um, pop3 client + pop3 server? |
| 20:11.36 | eddieBB | thanks |
| 20:11.44 | filipe__ | nkuttler: yahoo doesn't support pop |
| 20:11.47 | mordy | for eddiebb - maybe for you too |
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| 20:12.12 | n3kl | eddieBB: there may be a different server that #wine is hosted on, or a different channel. Check their website |
| 20:12.18 | blackpit | filipe__: i have used fetchyahoo in the past without any major problems |
| 20:12.47 | mordy | how can i blacklist framebuffer? how do i know what framebuffer i'm using? |
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| 20:14.21 | Fubarovic | thx, nkuttler , i'll check it out |
| 20:14.22 | cjae | n3kl, thanks this netinstall is more user friendly than a gentoo min install though right? |
| 20:14.24 | filipe__ | blackpit: thanks |
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| 20:14.55 | mordy | gah |
| 20:15.21 | n3kl | cjae: Have you ever installed debian before? |
| 20:15.33 | cjae | n3kl, no |
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| 20:15.48 | n3kl | cjae: what are you waiting for, go do it |
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| 20:16.03 | nkuttler | mordy: i'd guess you need a boot parameter like vga= or similar |
| 20:16.19 | cjae | n3kl, well unless you count ubuntu which I am sure you don't |
| 20:16.27 | JordiGH | Okay, so I guess it's "cryptsetup luksAddKey /dev/SOMETHING/0" |
| 20:16.33 | nkuttler | mordy: look through the kernel doc or build a kernel without fb |
| 20:16.38 | JordiGH | What's the device name? |
| 20:16.44 | n3kl | cjae: ubuntu is not debian |
| 20:17.10 | mordy | nkuttler - what do i type at the grub command line then? from what i've googled it's vga=normal - but i an't seem to find how to simply start debian from the command line. i decided maybe i'd just blacklist it |
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| 20:17.39 | JordiGH | /dev/sda5? Where my root partition is? |
| 20:17.42 | mordy | but either way would be good- i just want my system to start normally- and be able to inspect what else is going wrong - since things are rather 'screwed up' |
| 20:17.55 | prahal | mordy, blacklist won't help if it is compiled in the kernel (not as a module) |
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| 20:18.08 | mordy | oh |
| 20:18.13 | prahal | mordy, grub 1 or 2 ? |
| 20:18.19 | mordy | then vga=normal then - but what do i type before that? |
| 20:18.23 | cjae | n3kl, thanks |
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| 20:18.28 | mordy | 1.5 i think - that's what it says anyway |
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| 20:18.33 | n3kl | cjae: np |
| 20:18.38 | leoechevarria | people, need your help |
| 20:18.55 | leoechevarria | i have an old k6-2 pc, and i'm trying to configure internet |
| 20:19.08 | leoechevarria | ifconfig says that the lan is on eth0 |
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| 20:19.12 | leoechevarria | but when i do dhcp |
| 20:19.14 | leoechevarria | *dhclient |
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| 20:19.25 | leoechevarria | it keeps searching and searching |
| 20:19.33 | mordy | i'm probably doing something wrong, but i always have something wrong with the video - one way or another |
| 20:19.35 | prahal | mordy, in grub 1 /boot/grub/menu.lst just add vga=normal to kopt= |
| 20:19.40 | prahal | then update-grub |
| 20:19.45 | leoechevarria | doing the classic ...interval 3, ...interval 6, etc |
| 20:19.55 | leoechevarria | do you have any idea of what's going on? |
| 20:20.04 | mordy | hmm../ ok |
| 20:20.06 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: does ethtool show that the link is up? |
| 20:20.16 | prahal | mordy, to find out what to type take another "rule" that is one of /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 20:20.18 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: and the right speed/duplex? |
| 20:20.32 | prahal | for example : |
| 20:20.35 | prahal | root (hd0,0) |
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| 20:20.41 | leoechevarria | doubletwist: i haven't ever tried ethtool |
| 20:20.59 | leoechevarria | and sorry me, but i don't understand your 2nd question |
| 20:20.59 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: well is the link light at least on :) |
| 20:21.01 | prahal | kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda1 ro splash vga=normal |
| 20:21.23 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: in other words, is it plugged in and connected to a switch port? |
| 20:21.37 | prahal | mordy, just do not forget to change the root= and root (hd0,0) to match your boot partition |
| 20:21.40 | leoechevarria | the lan is connected to the cablemodem doubletwist |
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| 20:21.57 | prahal | then "b" for boot |
| 20:22.40 | leoechevarria | doubletwist: and now i just realized that it's saying (it's not connected now, it's connected to this pc) "eth0: Tx timeout - resetting" |
| 20:22.58 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: and if you unplug and replug the network cable, does the link light go off then on , on both the cablemodem and the NIC? |
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| 20:23.33 | prahal | have to go good luck (though double check that your problem does not comes from devmapper update from 2 days ago (if the problem is new) . It borked udev setting proper permissions on device files and kills kitten) |
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| 20:23.58 | prahal | a fix is available in the bug report (http://bugs.debian.org/devmapper) |
| 20:24.00 | leoechevarria | doubletwist: there's no light led in the lan switch |
| 20:24.05 | mordy | i don't see a 'kopt' listing anywhere - do i just add a line?? |
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| 20:24.26 | leoechevarria | doubletwist: and the cablemodem's light does go off and then on, yes |
| 20:24.26 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: I thought it was plugged into the cable modem |
| 20:25.09 | leoechevarria | doubletwist: i mean that the pc doesn't have two lan leds |
| 20:25.18 | prahal | mordy, grep kopt /boot/grub/menu.lst ? or is it that old a version of grub .... otherwise you ll have to add vga=normal to each line starting with "kernel ..." |
| 20:25.30 | mordy | oh |
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| 20:26.05 | mordy | ok, done - now let's see if this works |
| 20:26.06 | prahal | newer grub provides kopt as a convenience to automatically add things to all kernel lines (kernel options kopt) |
| 20:26.21 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: And does it work if you set a static IP address instead of doing dhcp? |
| 20:26.31 | mordy | hehe, i just installed this grub together with debian last week |
| 20:26.56 | mordy | nope - it doesn't work though - it still intializes the framebuffer |
| 20:27.50 | mordy | what's really upsetting is that the framebuffer is initialized *during* boot |
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| 20:28.37 | prahal | mordy, vga=ask ? |
| 20:28.58 | mordy | hmm... |
| 20:29.26 | leoechevarria | doubletwist: i haven't tried but by ISP gives me dhcp, if it's well said :p |
| 20:30.18 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: Hrm, dunno. Cablemodem might have the MAC cached from another machine? Try rebooting the cablemodem? Not sure, it's a shot in the dark. :) |
| 20:30.30 | prahal | I am short on time hope someone else will step up .... though in the mean time what gives cat /proc/cmdline |
| 20:30.46 | mordy | er... what do all these video modes mean? |
| 20:30.52 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: assuming everything is hooked up ok. |
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| 20:31.13 | mordy | 0f00 0f01.. |
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| 20:31.25 | prahal | mordy, vga=ask only gives colsxrows or rowsxcols I don't remenber |
| 20:31.51 | filipe__ | blackpit: fetchyahoo works great! thanks. |
| 20:31.57 | prahal | those are vga console modes not framebuffer (that is it works with lines and rows not resolution) |
| 20:32.25 | leoechevarria | doubletwist: maybe it's because i'm using it in this machine |
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| 20:32.29 | leoechevarria | well, thank you anyway |
| 20:32.34 | leoechevarria | i'll try i little! |
| 20:32.35 | leoechevarria | cya! |
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| 20:33.26 | mordy | sigh, nothing works - i still get 'switching to color frame buffer device <> 180x56' and then the text becomes small |
| 20:33.36 | doubletwist | leoechevarria: good luck |
| 20:33.47 | prahal | mordy, cat /proc/cmdline ? |
| 20:34.00 | mordy | hmm... |
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| 20:34.55 | mordy | it's there |
| 20:35.23 | prahal | yup though I am interested in knowing if there are no other options that trigger the framebuffer |
| 20:35.36 | mordy | root=... allow_unauthenticated=true |
| 20:35.38 | mordy | ro |
| 20:35.42 | prahal | could you paste the output (it s small) |
| 20:35.58 | mordy | but the allow unauthenticated has been there since installation |
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| 20:36.45 | prahal | don't know this option "ro" is for read only (good option) anything else ? |
| 20:36.50 | mordy | well, ehre it is: 'root=dev/hda1 ro allow_unauthenticated=true single vga=ask' |
| 20:37.14 | mordy | don't knwow hat single is |
| 20:39.05 | prahal | mordy, maybe "novideo" though it is from memory don't have a pointer yet |
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| 20:39.59 | prahal | mordy, single means you boot until init level 1 only (not for standard use but good for debugging boot issue) |
| 20:40.17 | mordy | add 'novideo' to the options? |
| 20:40.25 | prahal | or init level S I cannot remind . But it means pretty everything is down |
| 20:40.28 | prahal | yes |
| 20:40.41 | roe_ | how long does a package have to stay in sid before it is eligible to be moved to lenny? |
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| 20:41.37 | mordy | prahal - would all my tty consoles be disabled and ssh server be disabled if this were only a video issue? |
| 20:41.40 | avu | roe_, 10 days |
| 20:41.45 | roe_ | thanks |
| 20:42.15 | prahal | mordy, ssh no . But "single" means that the openssh server is not started |
| 20:42.27 | mordy | oh |
| 20:42.33 | mordy | hehe, let me remove it then lol |
| 20:42.43 | prahal | from memory also the multiple tty is disable in single mode |
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| 20:43.33 | mordy | hmm... let me delete this single line - it's causing too many problems - not to mention a backache |
| 20:43.43 | mordy | single option* |
| 20:44.31 | mordy | doh. but single is only in the 'single' user mode - the regular mdoe doesn't initialize tty or ssh server either |
| 20:46.00 | mordy | prahal - adding 'novideo' didin't do anything |
| 20:46.08 | mordy | unless you mean 'vga=novideo' |
| 20:46.14 | prahal | mordy, I guess it is the devmapper issue |
| 20:46.45 | mordy | hmm... |
| 20:47.02 | prahal | try http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 /etc/udev/rules.d/65_dmsetup.rules |
| 20:47.02 | mordy | what does that mean :-? |
| 20:47.26 | prahal | and set th first line to GOTO="device_mapper_end" instead of what it has |
| 20:48.05 | prahal | mordy, that a package updated two days ago break a lot of things (udev manage device files which |
| 20:48.09 | filipe__ | Is there a way to get the PID of process if i can set its connection in netstat? |
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| 20:48.22 | prahal | are the way to access the hardware for pretty anything in debian) |
| 20:48.42 | mordy | is this for etch as well? |
| 20:48.55 | prahal | mordy, no it was just novideo :-/ |
| 20:49.00 | prahal | no |
| 20:49.17 | mordy | ahh - i'm using etch :| |
| 20:49.41 | abrotman | filipe__: set or see ? |
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| 20:51.01 | prahal | mordy, need to go . Maybe tomorrow . Or if someone step up (I am far from an etch expert ... been using sid since potato days) |
| 20:51.19 | mordy | lol |
| 20:51.23 | mordy | thanks a lot though |
| 20:51.34 | cmdln | any preseed gurus around? |
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| 20:52.27 | abrotman | cmdln: just ask |
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| 20:52.41 | cmdln | i am trying to get a preseed working with ldap authentication information |
| 20:53.06 | cmdln | I have answered the ldap questions in the preseed and the installer no longer asks me for those questions |
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| 20:53.31 | abrotman | this is bad? |
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| 20:53.35 | cmdln | But the configuration files are not updated from the default pre populated answers |
| 20:53.43 | ivank | how do i build a source package into a deb? |
| 20:53.47 | cmdln | its good that it doesnt ask, bad that its pointless :) |
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| 20:54.20 | abrotman | ivank: /msg dpkg source |
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| 20:54.58 | Eitan | hello all |
| 20:55.23 | mordy | erev tov |
| 20:55.45 | Eitan | mordy: it's daytime in LA |
| 20:55.49 | dustybin | is debian lenny still looking at a september release? |
| 20:56.20 | orges | who knows |
| 20:56.26 | mordy | yes, and it's night here in jerusalem. and the world revolved around jerusalem, as all know :-" |
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| 20:56.35 | cmdln | thats a serious hinder for a corporate roll out |
| 20:56.37 | Eitan | I have a debian drive with errors... it can't boot and it can't be mounted. I am looking to rescue whatever files I can off it. Can someone walk me through the gddrescue procedure? |
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| 20:58.16 | Eitan | Can someone here help me rescue the data off my debian drive? |
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| 21:00.03 | gnumm | one question, is it possible that debian sid will hardly brake when kde4 comes in it? |
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| 21:01.48 | roe_ | gnumm, gnome wll be fine :) |
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| 21:02.25 | epsilon | thats why it's called unstable |
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| 21:03.02 | felix-da-catz | Can someone tell me how I can cat my log file continuously? |
| 21:03.05 | gnumm | roe_: if pulseaudio worked, yes no problem...^^ |
| 21:03.10 | orges | you can use any distro with any desktop manager |
| 21:03.26 | neonlightning | felix-da-catz, check out root-tail and multitail |
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| 21:03.40 | felix-da-catz | Thanks neonlighning. I will check it out |
| 21:04.11 | neonlightning | felipe, or i use conky's built in tail |
| 21:04.16 | neonlightning | i mean felix-da-catz |
| 21:04.30 | amphi | felix-da-catz: or xconsole |
| 21:04.47 | magyar_ | what is the diff: linux-image-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch1_i386.deb and linux-image-2.6.18-6-686_2.6.18.dfsg.1-22_i386.deb ? |
| 21:05.05 | abrotman | magyar_: probably security patches |
| 21:05.19 | magyar_ | abrotman, dfsg ? |
| 21:05.20 | felix-da-catz | Wow. Thats quite a few different apps there... Thanks guys |
| 21:05.30 | abrotman | magyar_: /msg dpkg dfsg |
| 21:05.33 | neonlightning | does anyone know where i can find a list of packages on the 180mb and 40mb small cds? |
| 21:05.45 | abrotman | neonlightning: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 21:05.52 | abrotman | neonlightning: or mount the ISO and look at the Packages file |
| 21:06.24 | gnumm | are there any plans when kde4 will be in sid? |
| 21:06.29 | neonlightning | i'm on a 30kb/s down 15kb/s up connection right now |
| 21:07.08 | abrotman | gnumm: ask #debian-kde .. but i doubt any time soon |
| 21:07.35 | Eitan | abrotman: do you know about rescuing data off bad drives? |
| 21:07.51 | abrotman | Eitan: apt-cache search disaster recovery |
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| 21:09.00 | neonlightning | i'm on a 30kb/s down 15kb/s up connection right now |
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| 21:09.06 | neonlightning | oops mistype |
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| 21:10.15 | danielvrf | hello |
| 21:10.40 | gnumm | abrotman: with kde4.1 final? |
| 21:10.49 | abrotman | NFC .. ask them |
| 21:11.03 | gnumm | ok |
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| 21:12.48 | Kobaz | i' |
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| 21:13.59 | Eitan | abrotman: I'm not adept at this stuff can you walk me through, or can you suggest anyone else here who can help walk me through all the fsck ddrescue fdisk gpart stuff? |
| 21:14.40 | keith4 | abrotman: what's your per-hour rate for data recovery? ;-) |
| 21:14.52 | abrotman | keith4: 4 beers/hour :) |
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| 21:15.27 | abrotman | Eitan: TBH you'd do better to ask google |
| 21:15.56 | milje | does anyone know when wireless support is going to comme to debian, as in ubuntu f.e. ? |
| 21:16.29 | Eitan | abrotman: there were a couple of guys here last night who were really helpful until I had to get a replacement drive... google is not so helpful |
| 21:16.53 | abrotman | Eitan: it really depends how bad your HDD is |
| 21:18.04 | PotataChipz | hello all. I am a noob and have just installed debian etch. I was using a net install disk, but every mirror I tried gave me a "this mirror is bad!" message. (More likely I cannot connect to the internet?) So, the base system is successfully installed. How can I check my internet connection and attempt to configure it from the shell? Currently on an ethernet cable that is working fine with windows. |
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| 21:18.29 | Eitan | abrotman: well... there seems to be trouble reading some of the beginning sectors where the partition table and filesystem stuff is.... I turned off dma and gparted lists 3 partitions... generally it won't boot, grub gives error 17, the boot sequence lists a lot of sector errors... |
| 21:18.41 | abrotman | ouch |
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| 21:19.14 | abrotman | Eitan: usually people in the channel are cyclical .. maybe wait around a bit |
| 21:19.27 | Eitan | abrotman: I suppose... you really can't help? |
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| 21:19.41 | Eitan | abrotman: you did help me with something else a long time ago |
| 21:19.43 | abrotman | Eitan: i was about to go home .. i've been here since 7am .. it's after 5pm |
| 21:19.55 | Eitan | abrotman: oh... hmmm.... :( |
| 21:20.05 | abrotman | (that's what happens when you don't have a backup of your project and you delete it) |
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| 21:20.25 | Eitan | abrotman: I was delaying backing up until lenny came out... foolish. |
| 21:20.27 | blaatmeh | did gnome-terminal break in sid? |
| 21:20.30 | abrotman | Eitan: there are programs like 'badblocks' |
| 21:20.39 | abrotman | blaatmeh: bugs.debian.org/gnome-terminal |
| 21:20.44 | fbc | Is there an F-SPOT equivalent for movies? |
| 21:20.45 | Eitan | abrotman: ya ... I think that's part of the problem... |
| 21:20.55 | abrotman | Eitan: but it sounds to me like you're trying to get your data from the HDD now .. not keep using it |
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| 21:21.24 | Eitan | abrotman: right.... I want to get the data off and I have a replacement drive ready to go... I wish someone could help me with this! |
| 21:21.40 | abrotman | Eitan: same drive geometries ? |
| 21:21.45 | Eitan | abrotman: identical |
| 21:21.57 | abrotman | you could try a 'dd' .. but it sounds like the first drive is pretty knackered |
| 21:22.44 | Eitan | abrotman: ok... so like I said, gparted lists the partitions once dma is turned off, but the primary partition shows "unknown" filesystem |
| 21:23.07 | abrotman | so you can't mount them ? |
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| 21:23.23 | Eitan | abrotman: I don't think so... can we try again... what do I type? |
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| 21:25.54 | Eitan | abrotman: can you walk me through the mount command again... I'm not adept. |
| 21:26.55 | PotataChipz | Friendly repeat of my earlier question: How can I check my internet connection and attempt to configure it from the shell? Currently on an ethernet cable that is working fine with windows. |
| 21:27.03 | abrotman | can you ping your router? |
| 21:27.15 | abrotman | Eitan: do you know what filesystem they are? |
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| 21:27.32 | Eitan | abrotman: I'm pretty sure they're ext3 ... the etch default |
| 21:27.33 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure it won't mount them correctly though |
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| 21:27.54 | abrotman | mount -t ext3 /dev/<device> /place/to/mount/ |
| 21:28.36 | Eitan | debian:/home/user# mount -t ext3 /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 21:28.36 | Eitan | mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 21:28.46 | PotataChipz | abrotman: is the syntax literally ping <IP> ? |
| 21:28.54 | Eitan | abrotman: that's the result for hda1... should I try hda? |
| 21:29.20 | abrotman | PotataChipz: yes |
| 21:29.24 | wols | Eitan: fdisk -l |
| 21:29.25 | abrotman | Eitan: no |
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| 21:30.08 | PotataChipz | abrotman: I shall try. Debian is on the other partition, gotta reboot and will be back soon. Thanks for the help. |
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| 21:30.28 | Eitan | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1074761 |
| 21:30.32 | Eitan | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1074761 |
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| 21:31.01 | wols | Eitan: file -s /dev/hda1 |
| 21:31.10 | Eitan | wols: hdb is the blank replacement drive |
| 21:31.35 | Eitan | wols: debian:/home/user# file -s /dev/hda1 |
| 21:31.35 | Eitan | /dev/hda1: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/hda1' (No such file or directory) |
| 21:32.02 | wols | wtf? |
| 21:32.10 | Eitan | wols: I think since the boot process couldn't mount hda1, that hda file doesn't exist in the /dev directory |
| 21:32.33 | wols | considering the kernel detects a partition on hda1... |
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| 21:32.54 | JarekMk | hi |
| 21:33.30 | comp | hi, may I ask something? Why does linux-headers-2.6.25-2-686 package (which is x86-686 only) require linux-headers-2.6.25-2-common (which is probably arch-independant) as well? |
| 21:33.35 | JarekMk | I have question abaut kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4, is this packed replaceing kdebase-bin-kde3 in SID? |
| 21:33.45 | JarekMk | about' |
| 21:34.02 | JarekMk | j/ #kde |
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| 21:35.58 | Eitan | wols: thinking? |
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| 21:37.56 | filipe__ | Is it possible to have an ssh tunnel that accepts non local connections? |
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| 21:38.50 | themill | filipe__: look at the -g option in man ssh |
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| 21:39.17 | Eitan | Can anyone here help me rescue the files off my debian drive? |
| 21:39.29 | rixth | Which takes priority, hosts.deny or hosts.allow? |
| 21:40.44 | valdyn | rixth: why dont you read the manpage? |
| 21:40.48 | phr3ak | filipe__: yes |
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| 21:42.11 | filipe__ | themill: thanks |
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| 21:42.36 | fiendishfish | Hi |
| 21:42.37 | phr3ak | how could i restore iptables after reboot automatically? is there any initscript in any package? |
| 21:43.10 | filipe__ | themill: and to put it in the background so it never dies? |
| 21:43.40 | fiendishfish | I'm having problems getting Spellchecking to work with Evolution, I've installed the program aspell, and then I installed the dictionary aspell-en but when I go to the spellchecking settings in Evolution, it still doesn't show any dictionaries :/ |
| 21:43.53 | Eitan | My debian drive won't boot or mount... can someone here walk me through rescuing the files off it? |
| 21:44.03 | themill | filipe__: look at the autossh package for that |
| 21:44.29 | fiendishfish | Other people tell me that spellchecking works fine with them on Evolution |
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| 21:45.19 | valdyn | fiendishfish: is gnome-spell installed |
| 21:45.38 | fiendishfish | valdyn: No, heh. |
| 21:45.41 | fiendishfish | Hmm. |
| 21:45.47 | gnumm | will pulseaudio be in lenny? |
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| 21:46.03 | fiendishfish | valdyn: Thanks a lot, that was quick and painless. |
| 21:46.15 | fiendishfish | Whenn I googled it a lot, people said that I'd need aspell. |
| 21:46.25 | valdyn | gnumm: its installed |
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| 21:47.01 | valdyn | gnumm: it currently is? |
| 21:47.16 | valdyn | gnumm: ignore that first line |
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| 21:47.24 | gnumm | ah ok |
| 21:47.28 | Eitan | Can anyone here walk me through a debian drive rescue? |
| 21:47.55 | valdyn | fiendishfish: "apt-cache show evolution | grep spell",btw |
| 21:48.11 | filipe__ | themill: thanks |
| 21:48.28 | blaatmeh | how do you mean "rescue" Eitan ? Is the partition damaged or do you just want to get your files? |
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| 21:49.29 | Eitan | blaatmeh... I'm not sure if the partition table is damaged, because gparted shows the partitions after turning off dma.... but it shows that the primary partition has an "unrecognized" file system. I just want to get my files off it. |
| 21:49.34 | zyx386 | can upgrade gnome version in Etch? |
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| 21:50.16 | blaatmeh | tried running fsck? |
| 21:50.24 | fiendishfish | valdyn: :o I never heard of 'show' |
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| 21:50.42 | Eitan | blaatmeh: what do I type? |
| 21:50.49 | fiendishfish | valdyn: shows all deps, recommends etc :o |
| 21:50.51 | n3kl | Eitan: man fsck |
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| 21:51.10 | zyx386 | i well just upgrade the gnome version on Etch, is that possiable or must i upgrade to lenny? |
| 21:51.47 | n3kl | zyx386: might as well move to lenny |
| 21:51.52 | PotataChipz | Okay, now I will become *that guy* and ask you people how to get x working. As per the FAQ, I tried to apt-get install x-window-system-core and I get a "couldn't find this package" error. Am I going for the wrong package or is apt not configured properly? |
| 21:52.19 | n3kl | PotataChipz: apt-get install xserver-xorg xfonts-base |
| 21:52.41 | themill | PotataChipz: that package is only in etch, not lenny |
| 21:52.41 | Eitan | n3kl: I'm a bit clueless... man doesn't give any examples... can you tell me what I should type? |
| 21:52.59 | n3kl | Eitan: you need to lean to read manpages |
| 21:53.00 | zyx386 | n3kl, is hate lenny because the DVD rom worked nor more on lenny, if i put CD/DVD crash the system!! |
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| 21:53.14 | mordy | *sigh* i'm still struggling over this driver :( |
| 21:53.16 | n3kl | Eitan: fsck /dev/sda1 |
| 21:53.16 | valdyn | PotataChipz: aptitude install xorg |
| 21:53.33 | n3kl | zyx386: so deal with an older version of gnome |
| 21:53.45 | n3kl | mordy: what driver? |
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| 21:54.25 | PotataChipz | n3kl : thanks; but I have already tried to apt-get install xserver-xorg and it didn't work (I think the error was something like it didn't have a valid installation base?) |
| 21:54.32 | PotataChipz | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:54.50 | PotataChipz | themill: thanks, I am using a fresh install of etch |
| 21:55.31 | n3kl | PotataChipz: valdyn gave you another option |
| 21:55.46 | n3kl | PotataChipz: things may have changed some if you are running lenny |
| 21:56.01 | n3kl | I have yet to move to lenny, so I don't know |
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| 21:56.17 | zyx386 | n3kl, itry fluxbox and xfce and kde with lenny the problem with DVD room be not solved, i think is some wrong with kernel with lenny |
| 21:56.25 | PotataChipz | n3kl: : thanks, will try valdyn's suggestion. I am running etch. |
| 21:56.32 | LV-426 | strange 'ls' output at: http://rafb.net/p/IrtXt297.html - this dir was existing & accessible by 'root' . any one with some insight ? |
| 21:56.40 | Eitan | n3kl: http://pastebin.ca/1074784 |
| 21:56.44 | n3kl | PotataChipz: strange xserver-xorg does not work then |
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| 21:57.03 | Eitan | n3kl: none of the fsck's worked |
| 21:57.08 | avtobiff | grul, hej |
| 21:57.17 | grul | avtobiff, HEY :D:DD |
| 21:57.23 | n3kl | Eitan: what device are you trying to run fsck on? |
| 21:57.41 | Eitan | n3kl: hda... hda1 is the primary partition |
| 21:58.08 | themill | PotataChipz: odd then... that should work. You can also just "aptitude install xorg" |
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| 21:58.30 | n3kl | Eitan: are you sure that you have an hda1? From your post, it looks not to be the case. |
| 21:58.49 | valdyn | Eitan: /proc/partitions contains all partitions that you have |
| 21:59.11 | Eitan | n3kl: well I used to, of course... and gparted lists an hda1... along with an hda2 and hda5 |
| 21:59.29 | prahal | Eitan, fdisk -l /dev/hda |
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| 21:59.44 | n3kl | prahal: seariousl... |
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| 21:59.52 | mordy | can someone tell me why my system boots into framebuffer mode? although i've tried vga=normal, vga=0 etc |
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| 21:59.55 | docmax_ | can somebody help me with nxserver? |
| 21:59.59 | docmax_ | freenx |
| 22:00.03 | prahal | n3kl, ?? |
| 22:00.11 | prahal | fdisk is more pedantic than gpart |
| 22:00.12 | n3kl | mordy: try ommiting vga= alltogether |
| 22:00.13 | docmax_ | nxserver says its running... but what is the port? |
| 22:00.14 | mordy | hehe prahal, i'm still going throguh this problem |
| 22:00.20 | n3kl | prahal: I was agreeing with you |
| 22:00.38 | Eitan | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/1074792 |
| 22:00.39 | n3kl | like " its about time to look at your paritions" |
| 22:00.39 | mordy | n3kl - i only added the line because of the trouble in the first place |
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| 22:01.06 | prahal | mordy, sadly I miss the backlog . Anything peculiar showed up ? |
| 22:01.21 | filipe__ | What's the simplest pop server there is? |
| 22:01.37 | Eitan | prahal: http://pastebin.ca/1074797 |
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| 22:01.45 | n3kl | mordy: sounds like its still specified somewhere |
| 22:01.48 | Eitan | n3kl: http://pastebin.ca/1074797 |
| 22:01.55 | mordy | prahal - nothing at all - this is why i'm so cryptic about what's wrong - i don't see any errors in the X log - http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855 |
| 22:02.29 | n3kl | mordy: console framebuffer? |
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| 22:02.39 | mordy | n3kl, yes! |
| 22:02.47 | mordy | weird - no? |
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| 22:02.59 | n3kl | mordy: why would X log contain any information about console framebuffer |
| 22:03.12 | mordy | hmm.. so where should i check? |
| 22:03.16 | n3kl | mordy: but, yes wiert |
| 22:03.57 | n3kl | mordy: try dmesg |
| 22:04.06 | mordy | i'm thinking this could be a driver issue - i wonder if there was a way i could log all the boot output - perhaps that would be more of help - since it's scrolling down so quickly |
| 22:04.09 | mordy | ok |
| 22:04.10 | prahal | Eitan, ls /dev/hda1 ? |
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| 22:04.30 | Eitan | prahal: debian:/proc# ls /dev/hda1 |
| 22:04.30 | Eitan | ls: /dev/hda1: No such file or directory |
| 22:04.39 | prahal | ah |
| 22:04.41 | mordy | n3kl - dmesg without any parameters? |
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| 22:04.56 | iron | ill kill eclipse damn i hate it |
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| 22:05.09 | n3kl | mordy: I doubt its a driver issue. do grep vga /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 22:05.11 | prahal | Eitan, udev installed ? /etc/init.d/udev stop /etc/init.d/udev start |
| 22:05.17 | n3kl | iron: so stop using it |
| 22:05.27 | mordy | n3kl - i've been down that path |
| 22:05.36 | n3kl | mordy: dmesg is a device log of kernel messages |
| 22:05.38 | prahal | iron, eclipse rock just tell it not to open too many files |
| 22:05.42 | n3kl | mordy: anything? |
| 22:05.51 | n3kl | mordy: try a different kernel |
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| 22:06.10 | Eitan | prahal: done |
| 22:06.10 | mordy | n3kl - if you mean a different distribution - then it works - so it's not a hardware issue |
| 22:06.32 | mordy | i'm just trying to figure out how to copy/paste all the dmesg output from putty |
| 22:06.34 | n3kl | mordy: no, I mean a different kernel |
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| 22:06.49 | prahal | osgi.bundlefile.limit=700 in eclipse/configuration/config.ini save my system from eclipse crashing like nuts |
| 22:06.54 | mordy | hmmm... how do i do that? |
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| 22:07.01 | prahal | Eitan, and now ls /dev/hda1 works ? |
| 22:07.03 | mordy | but let me see dmesg first |
| 22:07.06 | n3kl | mordy: paste your menu.lst |
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| 22:08.21 | Eitan | prahal: no ... udev just hung... http://pastebin.ca/1074805 |
| 22:08.32 | Eitan | prahal: ls /dev/hda1 still doesn't work |
| 22:08.53 | trinux | goes to buy a cold beer for abrotman and himself |
| 22:08.55 | mordy | n3kl http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#1 |
| 22:09.26 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 22:09.35 | trinux | :D |
| 22:09.36 | n3kl | mordy: what makes you think its booting in framebuffer mode? |
| 22:09.47 | mordy | n3kl - it says it |
| 22:09.55 | n3kl | mordy: where? |
| 22:09.59 | mordy | and the boot text becomes tiny after that line is printed |
| 22:10.04 | docmax_ | who can help me with nxserver? |
| 22:10.12 | n3kl | mordy: Why is that a problem? |
| 22:10.20 | n3kl | not I said n3kl |
| 22:10.44 | mordy | n3kl - that in itself is not a problem - but X just gives me a tealish screen |
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| 22:10.59 | n3kl | mordy: I would try it without those other options. Just remove allow_unauthenticated=true vga=0 |
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| 22:11.20 | n3kl | mordy: some terminals on the screen? |
| 22:11.32 | n3kl | mordy: do you get a cursor? |
| 22:11.38 | mordy | hmm... |
| 22:11.56 | mordy | n3kl - once X is initialized i can't get any tty |
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| 22:12.10 | prahal | Eitan, did you kill udev or ... it should have told timeout if not |
| 22:12.10 | n3kl | mordy: I would still get rid of those other options. I don't know what the allow_unauthenticated thing is. |
| 22:12.17 | n3kl | mordy: what graphics card do you have? |
| 22:12.20 | mordy | when booting in single mode i'm able to get a terminal though - but no ssh - with regular mode i get ssh but no terminal |
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| 22:12.25 | mordy | n3kl - radeon x600 |
| 22:12.27 | Eitan | prahal: I ctrl-c'd it. |
| 22:12.37 | prahal | though that s weird it takes more than a few seconds |
| 22:12.42 | n3kl | mordy: have you changed /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 22:13.18 | mordy | n3kl - many times - since this problem started - but only through dpkg-reconfigure |
| 22:13.37 | mordy | never directly- and never changed any advanced setting. and never enabled framebuffer |
| 22:13.40 | n3kl | mordy: do you get a cursor? |
| 22:13.41 | prahal | Eitan, udevadm test /sys/block/hda/ |
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| 22:13.59 | mordy | n3kl - yes, i can get cursor in single user mode |
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| 22:14.12 | n3kl | like a mouse cursor when X starts? |
| 22:14.16 | Eitan | prahal: debian:/proc# udevadm test /sys/block/hda |
| 22:14.16 | Eitan | bash: udevadm: command not found |
| 22:14.23 | n3kl | mordy: how are you starting X? SOunds like you might be using the wrong driver |
| 22:14.41 | prahal | Eitan, etch ? |
| 22:14.49 | Eitan | prahal: yes |
| 22:14.54 | prahal | Eitan, udevtest ? |
| 22:15.11 | Eitan | prahal: debian:/proc# udevtest |
| 22:15.11 | Eitan | devpath parameter missing |
| 22:15.33 | prahal | udevtest /sys/block/hda (I was only asking if this one was there) |
| 22:15.34 | mordy | n3kl - i get a mouse pointer for a second, and then the screen goes blue |
| 22:15.38 | iron | n3kl: i like eclipse but i dont get it to work |
| 22:15.52 | iron | prahal: isnt failure |
| 22:15.58 | mordy | i get the shaded grey with the cursor - but then the blank screen |
| 22:15.59 | n3kl | mordy: how are you starting X? |
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| 22:16.20 | mordy | n3kl - it starts automatically- but the same thing happens when i do X or startx |
| 22:16.23 | iron | if i install eclipse it doesnt start |
| 22:16.46 | prahal | iron, eclipse -consoleLog -debug |
| 22:16.48 | mhall | How can you use package wildcards to install packages in apt-get? Do * or other operators work for installing a lot of packages at once? |
| 22:16.55 | n3kl | mordy: ok, so now whats the story with you X logs? |
| 22:16.56 | prahal | and -clean |
| 22:17.03 | iron | prahal: thx |
| 22:17.33 | Eitan | prahal: http://pastebin.ca/1074813 |
| 22:17.36 | mordy | n3kl - i don't know how to paste anything more than a few lines, since putty seems to have a scrollback limit - i don't know how to overcome that - i set it to 1000 but it won't listen to me |
| 22:17.52 | mordy | and i don't have a working linux machine now |
| 22:17.54 | n3kl | !pastewithoutx |
| 22:17.55 | dpkg | [pastewithoutx] you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about <paste2pastebin ... |
| 22:19.06 | iron | prahal: !ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 2 1 2008-07-18 00:17:16.823 |
| 22:19.06 | iron | !MESSAGE NLS missing message: initializer_error in: org.eclipse.core.internal.runtime.messages |
| 22:19.13 | iron | failure like this |
| 22:19.42 | iron | i dunno why |
| 22:19.46 | mordy | hmm... |
| 22:19.52 | prahal | iron, could you pastebin those ? |
| 22:19.56 | iron | sure |
| 22:19.59 | iron | sec |
| 22:20.04 | mordy | let me post the Xorg.0.log and dmesg |
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| 22:21.09 | iron | prahal: http://pastebin.com/d22f16344 |
| 22:21.38 | wols | mhall: no |
| 22:21.55 | mordy | sigh :( |
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| 22:22.31 | prahal | iron, try an eclipse -clean |
| 22:23.01 | mordy | ok, here is dmesg http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#3 |
| 22:23.13 | Eitan | prahal: are you still helping me? |
| 22:23.45 | prahal | Eitan, yes though I have a hard time matching old udevtest output to my udevadm test output |
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| 22:24.14 | iron | prahal: thx so much sent a fucking beer to you for this |
| 22:24.33 | Eitan | prahal: so what now? or do you want to refer me to someone else? |
| 22:24.33 | mordy | n3kl - how can i get it to print the Xorg log to the screen? |
| 22:24.48 | prahal | Eitan, udevtest --action=add /sys/block/hda may give better output |
| 22:24.59 | prahal | if it works . I don't have udevtest man page yet |
| 22:25.08 | prahal | iron, your welcome :) |
| 22:25.14 | iron | *g+ |
| 22:25.39 | n3kl | mordy: framebuffer is not reported in dmesg |
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| 22:25.48 | mordy | hmm... |
| 22:26.04 | n3kl | mordy: cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 22:26.29 | Eitan | prahal: http://pastebin.ca/1074816 |
| 22:27.05 | mordy | it says here..."console: switching to colour framebuffer device.." where the ellipsis is something i can't remember because it goes too fast |
| 22:27.51 | iron | prahal: i got one more problem |
| 22:28.16 | iron | prahal: eclipse works just as root |
| 22:28.23 | n3kl | mordy: scrlck might help |
| 22:28.29 | iron | any idea? |
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| 22:28.44 | prahal | iron, -consoleLog -debug as user ? |
| 22:29.22 | prahal | Eitan, same output ... very limited compared to what udevadm of lenny/sid can give . I am digging |
| 22:29.28 | iron | prahal: it works |
| 22:29.49 | mordy | n3kl - xorg log http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855#4 |
| 22:29.52 | Eitan | prahal: I really appreciate your efforts. If you can help me rescue my files, that would be wonderful. |
| 22:30.01 | iron | prahal: but gnome icon doesnt work |
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| 22:31.35 | iron | prahal: two failure first: This Eclipse build doesn't have support for the integrated browser. second: An error has occurred. See the log file |
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| 22:32.29 | prahal | iron, log file is in you workspace the .metadata/.log |
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| 22:34.44 | jlund | What user does the logrotate cron task run as? |
| 22:34.57 | iron | prahal: same as send to you by pastebin |
| 22:35.01 | jlund | And is there an easy way to test my logrotate config? |
| 22:35.37 | prahal | iron, then run it with -clean as user once . It should fix the issue (it clear the cache that is broken). |
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| 22:36.49 | iron | prahal: thx |
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| 22:37.17 | iron | prahal: who can i fix This Eclipse build doesn't have support for the integrated browser. |
| 22:37.50 | prahal | iron : the integrated browser is using xulrunner . Maybe a missing dependency in the eclipse package |
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| 22:38.13 | Eitan | prahal: should I go ahead and try ddrescue? |
| 22:38.17 | prahal | or maybe it is not compiled with support in debian |
| 22:38.21 | prahal | Eitan, no |
| 22:38.28 | Eitan | prahal: wait? |
| 22:38.29 | iron | prahal: k thx i will send 2 beers to you for you nice support |
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| 22:38.41 | prahal | Eitan, the partition are fine we would corrupt those at worst |
| 22:38.58 | Eitan | prahal: I'll wait for you? |
| 22:39.17 | prahal | Eitan, you could cp /dev/.static/hda1 in /dev as a fast fix |
| 22:39.24 | prahal | won"t survive a reboot but still |
| 22:39.42 | prahal | /dev/.static/dev/hda1 that is |
| 22:39.45 | Eitan | prahal: that doesn't sound like a good idea |
| 22:39.59 | prahal | Eitan, this is the way things worked before udev . |
| 22:40.16 | Eitan | prahal: why not use ddrescue? |
| 22:40.54 | prahal | device file are just pointers to the partition not the partition themselves . You would not copy the partition just restore the missing pointer |
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| 22:41.17 | Eitan | prahal: I mean ddrescue /dev/hda /dev/hdb |
| 22:41.24 | Eitan | prahal: wouldn't that work? |
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| 22:41.34 | prahal | the fact is that udev does that automatically but it is broken on your install . Something freeze it in the middle of it creating the device files . hda1 must not be the only one missing |
| 22:41.35 | jlund | What user does the logrotate cron task run as and is there an easy way to test my logrotate configuration? |
| 22:41.37 | gnumm | when i download the cd1 and install it, can i install gnome from the cd1? or do i need other dcs? |
| 22:41.43 | SeveredCross | I don't know about you, but my /dev/.static/dev doesn't have sda1/hda1. |
| 22:41.44 | gnumm | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 22:42.17 | Eitan | prahal: the thing that stopped it is the read errors... which ddrescue is supposed to be able to handle well |
| 22:42.39 | prahal | Eitan, that would "attempt" to rescue non corrupted partition . Dangerous and of no use there . You would still miss /dev/hda1 (it would not create it) and thus you would not be able to access your data anymore than now |
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| 22:43.06 | gnumm | what's the best methode to switch from lenny to the next testing when lenny will be stable? |
| 22:43.10 | mordy | n3kl? |
| 22:43.22 | Eitan | prahal: I thought ddrescue worked at the sector level... it doesn't care about partitions or files ... isn't that right? |
| 22:43.36 | prahal | Eitan, #fsck.ext2: No such file or directory while trying to open /dev/hda1 is the only thing that count . Afterwards this is just garbage as if the device file does not exists the tool cannot read anything |
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| 22:43.45 | amphi | gnumm: replace 'lenny' with 'testing' in your sources.list, I believe |
| 22:44.20 | prahal | Eitan, yes it is right . It would run and mess the sectors at best nothing would change |
| 22:44.21 | Eitan | prahal: that's because it's still on the bad drive... shouldn't I try to have ddrescue transfer whatever data it can find to the good drive? |
| 22:44.46 | mordy | hey amphi - i've got another LCd to break |
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| 22:45.02 | mordy | although i think this time my target will be this horribly designed keyboard |
| 22:45.30 | prahal | Eitan, I don't think the drive is bad. Only that something on the system is freezing udev in the middle of the device file creation process . Could be anything : the cdrom drive, etc |
| 22:45.31 | gnumm | in testing also always use dist-upgrade and never upgrade? |
| 22:46.16 | prahal | If you cp this device file from /dev/.static/dev/hda1 to /dev/ and fsck /dev/hda1 we would find out if something is wrong with the drive but I doubt it |
| 22:46.21 | PotataChipz | okay, "aptitude install xorg" yields "Couldn't find any package matching 'xorg.' However, the following packages contain xorg in their descriptions: <and then a list of what looks like x libs.>" I am on etch trying to get X up and working. The only x-related thing that I can apt-get install is x11-common. What should I do from here? |
| 22:46.39 | Eitan | prahal: no... I think the drive is bad... I ran a low level test that I downloaded from the seagate website... it made a testing boot disk and ran a low level read test on the drive, and had problems reading sectors 63-70... just like the debian boot sequence displayed. |
| 22:46.56 | amphi | mordy: you really need to stop throwing your toys out of the pram |
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| 22:48.09 | nkuttler | PotataChipz: hm, do you have correct sources.list and did you aptitude update? |
| 22:48.22 | rafuch0 | hello guys i having problems whit the X server |
| 22:48.52 | rafuch0 | the thing is that from time tu times the X fails and drop this error Xserver lockup |
| 22:49.13 | rafuch0 | i cant make to work again only if i reboot |
| 22:49.20 | PotataChipz | nkuttler: how do I aptitude update? |
| 22:49.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm... "aoss firefox" just hangs since I updated to firefox 3.0, when firefox is started with aoss firefox |
| 22:49.45 | mordy | hehe amphi - of all the problems i've had with linux the past week, the one i'm having today is the most perplexing |
| 22:49.47 | nkuttler | PotataChipz: aptitude update surprisingly |
| 22:49.58 | rafuch0 | the thing works again any ideas how can i get Xserver to stop being lockup |
| 22:50.12 | gnumm | is there a command line to install packages from unstable when i use debian etch or lenny? |
| 22:50.13 | PotataChipz | nkuttler: Right-right. I am a noob. Thanks, and I will be back. |
| 22:50.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea what should cause that? |
| 22:50.25 | rafuch0 | or maybe restart the whole server |
| 22:50.35 | mordy | i'm totally clueless |
| 22:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | running "firefox" alone opens a new ff (or iceweasel, if you like) window, as it should |
| 22:50.54 | gnumm | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:51.08 | prahal | argh then yes ddrescue the disk to a file on another disk first . |
| 22:51.09 | PotataChipz | nkuttler : wait, is that the same thing as an apt-get update ? |
| 22:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | last systemcall is futex(0xb7f784e4, FUTEX_WAIT, 2, NULL - then it stops |
| 22:51.44 | nkuttler | PotataChipz: not sure, but i guess they share their data |
| 22:51.49 | Eitan | prahal: r u there? |
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| 22:52.32 | prahal | yup just told that yes you should run ddrescue to copy the hard disk content to a file on another disk first |
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| 22:53.17 | prahal | but 63-70 are pretty critical sectors ... damn |
| 22:53.21 | Eitan | prahal: ok I'll do it now. |
| 22:53.36 | prahal | coffee |
| 22:54.19 | Eitan | prahal: ddrescue is going.... |
| 22:54.19 | PotataChipz | nkuttler : because I have done an apt-get update successfully. How would I check my sources.list? |
| 22:54.58 | nkuttler | PotataChipz: do apitude update. /etc/apt/sources.list, man sources.list |
| 22:55.28 | prahal | Eitan, you should still cp the device file from /dev/.static/dev/ to /dev (really without that fsck could not run) but that it for after the ddrescue backup |
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| 22:55.59 | drwahl | can anyone make a recommendation for a good dns server stress test tool? |
| 22:56.02 | PotataChipz | nkuttler: thanks, I'll try that next. In the meantime, I gotta go home! |
| 22:57.01 | prahal | that is if you want a software restore of the partition . A hardware restore needs sending back the hard drive (and that is not sure they will do a hardware restore for less than 5000$ it requires manpower) |
| 22:58.10 | drwahl | hmm, looks like bind comes with a program called queryperf that should do some load testing. |
| 22:58.20 | prahal | Eitan, it could be well that only boot data is corrupted . And the fact that the start of the disk is unreadable prevent udev from working . Creating this hda1 file could well give you full access to your data for free |
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| 23:03.48 | drwahl | when i run 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' it is not prompting for me to select my video driver, but it USUALLY does. any ideas why its doing this and how to fix it? |
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| 23:04.12 | prahal | Eitan, udevtest /sys/block/hda/hda1 in the meantime ? |
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| 23:04.39 | prahal | drazak, dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg ? |
| 23:05.16 | drwahl | prahal: lemme try that |
| 23:05.17 | drazak | prahal: bad tab |
| 23:05.17 | drazak | :D |
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| 23:05.46 | drwahl | nope, that doesnt seem to prompt for it either |
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| 23:06.52 | mordy_ | would modprobe -r radeonfb help me? |
| 23:07.03 | mordy_ | :(( nothing seems to work |
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| 23:08.30 | Eitan | prahal: I wanted to tell you that I looked in /dev/.static/dev/ and there was no hda1 file in there |
| 23:08.33 | abrotman | radeonfb likely isn't a module |
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| 23:08.52 | mordy_ | abrotman it is - i just can't disable it |
| 23:08.53 | war9407 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:08.57 | war9407 | (and linux) |
| 23:09.06 | mordy_ | but modprobe radeonfb works |
| 23:09.07 | abrotman | mordy_: /msg dpkg blacklist ? |
| 23:09.16 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 23:09.18 | drwahl | abrotman, you are a smart guy :) any ideas why 'dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg' doesnt prompt for me to select a driver? |
| 23:09.36 | Eitan | prahal: I'm running off the debian live cd... and ddrescue is running... should I still do udevtest /sys/block/hda/hda1 ? |
| 23:09.41 | abrotman | -plow ? |
| 23:09.59 | drwahl | i tried that, and it still didn't allow me to select a driver |
| 23:10.16 | prahal | Eitan, yes it does not touch anything just test what udev would do |
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| 23:10.23 | drwahl | would it be easier to just dump the driver i want into the xorg.conf file? |
| 23:10.37 | prahal | Eitan, /sbin/MAKEDEV hda1 |
| 23:10.59 | gravity | drwahl: Because it doesn't do that anymore if you're running lenny or sid. |
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| 23:11.11 | gravity | And -plow is redundant |
| 23:11.23 | abrotman | there's no way to get it to ask at all anymore ? |
| 23:11.26 | gravity | No |
| 23:11.35 | abrotman | so .. how do you choose between .. nv and nvidia ? |
| 23:11.41 | gravity | You edit xorg.conf |
| 23:11.46 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 23:11.47 | drwahl | gravity: ah, ok that would be the answer :) so how does one go about telling.... nm, abrotman asked |
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| 23:11.58 | Eitan | prahal: http://pastebin.ca/1074840 |
| 23:12.12 | abrotman | gravity: that seems less ... helpful |
| 23:12.16 | abrotman | oh well |
| 23:12.24 | drwahl | and not very 'debian' like |
| 23:12.30 | gravity | abrotman: Yeah, it's not a complete solution |
| 23:12.31 | mordy_ | abrotman - would the blacklist prevent the console from booting into framebuffer mode? |
| 23:12.46 | gravity | drwahl: Neither is "nvidia" |
| 23:12.47 | abrotman | gravity: maybe to be resolved before lenny's release ? |
| 23:12.55 | Eitan | prahal: should I do that MAKEDEV hda1 while ddrescue is running? |
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| 23:12.56 | gravity | abrotman: Not at the rate I'm going, unfortunately |
| 23:13.09 | abrotman | reassigns to enouf |
| 23:13.20 | prahal | Eitan, ok seems like this is nto that partition that freeze udev . Yes MAKEDEV is also harmless |
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| 23:13.37 | drwahl | gravity: i guess i just meant that i have always been told (by people here) that using dpkg/apt/anything automated tends to be the 'debian' way to configure things |
| 23:13.51 | gravity | shrugs |
| 23:14.04 | gravity | drwahl: The UNIX way to do things is to edit files |
| 23:14.09 | mordy_ | gah, it still boots into framebuffer mode - is there anything i can do to prevent it? |
| 23:14.10 | prahal | drwahl, yes but the new xorg detect the driver by itself it seems so no need to configure |
| 23:14.11 | drwahl | with emacs |
| 23:14.19 | mordy_ | is there anythiign i haven't tried yet? |
| 23:14.21 | gravity | prahal: Does that work yet for the nvidia driver? |
| 23:14.36 | gravity | It shouldn't, since I don't think anyone hacked up a priority system |
| 23:14.41 | prahal | I doubt it proprietary driver are not supported by debian |
| 23:15.00 | drwahl | ok, well, thanks for the info |
| 23:15.19 | Eitan | prahal: debian:/sbin# MAKEDEV hda1 |
| 23:15.19 | Eitan | /sbin/MAKEDEV: don't know how to make device "hda1" |
| 23:15.21 | prahal | I am not that confident about the autodetection though I know it is being worked on for 5 years so maybe the day have come |
| 23:15.31 | gravity | prahal: Um... |
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| 23:15.38 | gravity | prahal: It's pretty damn simple |
| 23:15.53 | gravity | prahal: I don't know what there is to be not confident about |
| 23:16.01 | prahal | Eitan, sorry should have double check /sbin/MAKEDEV hda (it will create all the hda1, hda2 , ....) |
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| 23:16.13 | prahal | old tool bad memory |
| 23:16.18 | mordy_ | any idea on why my system doesn't listen to the blacklist? |
| 23:16.24 | gravity | prahal: Huh? |
| 23:16.38 | wols | mordy_: in which places did you blacklist? |
| 23:16.49 | nkuttler | mordy_: still framebuffer? |
| 23:17.02 | wols | mordy_: did you blackist in your initrd too? |
| 23:17.17 | mordy_ | wols /etc/initramfs-tools/modules/blacklist |
| 23:17.17 | prahal | gravity, about hotplugging, multiple monitor, xrandr, etc :) all uses case ought to be handled before an option goes away |
| 23:17.32 | Eitan | prahal: /dev already has hda and hda5 ... is it still ok to run makedev when hda and hda5 already exist in /dev? |
| 23:17.34 | gravity | prahal: They should be |
| 23:17.35 | wols | mordy_:and remade your initrd? |
| 23:17.44 | mordy_ | oh, how do i do that? |
| 23:17.44 | prahal | Eitan, yes |
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| 23:17.53 | mordy_ | doh :( |
| 23:17.56 | wols | !tell mordy_ about blacklist |
| 23:18.06 | gravity | prahal: I can't think of anything aside from zaphod mode that's not handled by the new stuff |
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| 23:18.36 | gravity | prahal: And almost all of it is optional. No one is forcing autodetection on you. It's written so that it only takes effect if you don't specify a driver in xorg.conf |
| 23:18.39 | wols | mordy_: the way yu did yout initramfs blacklist was wrng btw |
| 23:18.54 | Eitan | prahal: ok it worked... now what? |
| 23:18.55 | wols | gravity: lenny *cough* |
| 23:19.06 | prahal | gravity, I totally agree . Just I am not following ; contributing to xorg for 3 years |
| 23:19.10 | mordy_ | oh |
| 23:19.21 | prahal | Eitan, ddrescue finished ? |
| 23:19.30 | gravity | wols: What? |
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| 23:19.40 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 23:19.52 | Eitan | prahal: not hardly... it's on 3+ gigabytes out of 40 |
| 23:19.57 | Zeroyez | Any plans on making Debian run on P5W DH Deluxe motherboards? The current kernel doesn't suppose them |
| 23:19.58 | wols | gravity: the way how lenny gives the user a pretty empty xorg.conf which makes it hard to specify driver there |
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| 23:20.04 | wols | gravity: it got better in sid |
| 23:20.10 | Zeroyez | support* |
| 23:20.25 | gravity | wols: Is it really hard to write out the necessary stanza? |
| 23:20.28 | wols | !tell Zeroyez about ethcnhalf |
| 23:20.33 | gravity | goes to look at the package, it's been a few weeks |
| 23:20.46 | prahal | Eitan, then try mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 23:20.47 | Zeroyez | oh etchnhalf |
| 23:20.51 | Zeroyez | forgot about that whole thing |
| 23:20.54 | wols | gravity: frankly, yes. sure one can google it and stuff but that is tedious and one has no X |
| 23:21.07 | gravity | wols: X should *always* come up |
| 23:21.09 | prahal | otherwise I would have told to fsck but while ddrescue is running it is not a good idea |
| 23:21.11 | DawnLight | yo |
| 23:21.14 | wols | gravity: not true |
| 23:21.18 | gravity | wols: Why not? |
| 23:21.30 | gravity | wols: On a default install you should have at least one driver that supports your system |
| 23:21.34 | gravity | wols: If not, then it's a bug |
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| 23:21.48 | wols | cause it uses the wrong driver, doesn't find a suitable screen. "no screens found" such and similar errors happened galore when this new scheme came out |
| 23:22.17 | gravity | wols: Bugs that need fixing |
| 23:22.33 | Eitan | prahal: debian:/sbin# mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 23:22.34 | Eitan | mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 23:22.40 | wols | with the old system you could walk the newbie through drxx and set pretty safe defaults and it ran at least vesa. not much but it was a GUI and the people could use a browser (links doesn't cut it for them) |
| 23:22.42 | gravity | wols: None of those should have been new, since the discover-chosen drivers should have been the same |
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| 23:22.59 | wols | gravity: the strike force saw the error of their ways and it's now a lot better in sid |
| 23:23.01 | gravity | wols: The server should load vesa if it can't find another driver that supports the hardware |
| 23:23.05 | gravity | sighs |
| 23:23.07 | wols | lenny still has the old version |
| 23:23.08 | Zeroyez | How can I get etch and a half onto a DVD disc to install it? |
| 23:23.09 | DawnLight | where do i report against d-i? |
| 23:23.20 | wols | !tell Zeroyez about kmuto |
| 23:24.08 | prahal | Eitan, hum I forgot makedev creates files in /dev/.static/dev/ when udev is running . ... ls /dev/hda1 does nto exists bu /dev/.static/dev/hda1 does is that it ? |
| 23:24.29 | Zeroyez | uhh |
| 23:24.36 | Zeroyez | my isp bans .jp sites |
| 23:25.02 | wols | Zeroyez: proxy. tor. etc |
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| 23:25.03 | Eitan | prahal: no. /dev/.static/dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 23:25.09 | mordy_ | why .jp? |
| 23:25.17 | Zeroyez | don't know lol |
| 23:25.38 | wols | cause it's asia where the spam comes from (so they think) |
| 23:26.14 | Zeroyez | i think it's more of an illegal porn related thing |
| 23:27.15 | gravity | Oh, I think I see what wols is talking about. I'd forgotten I'd made that change. |
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| 23:28.01 | Zeroyez | appears that http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ does not exist |
| 23:28.26 | gravity | wols: All you wanted was the mostly empty stanza, right? |
| 23:28.57 | mordy_ | ok, let's see if the blacklist works now - although i still have to recompile(?) the kernel |
| 23:29.07 | mordy_ | but i'd like to know why it happened in the first place |
| 23:29.32 | DawnLight | hi mordy_ |
| 23:29.36 | mordy_ | nope - doesn't listen again - still the framebuffer |
| 23:29.43 | prahal | Eitan, a min I need to google a bit to recover my memory about makedev . By the way it gives time to ddrescue before the fsck |
| 23:29.46 | mordy_ | hello DawnLight |
| 23:29.48 | Zeroyez | anyways, so there's no direct download/torrent for etchnhalf? i'd never figure out how to make my own cd of it |
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| 23:31.46 | gravity | ponders adding a commented out line to the default xorg.conf so people can just uncomment and type the driver they want |
| 23:31.54 | Eitan | prahal: ok... no problem... I was just planning to ddrescue and fsck... according to this rate it should take another half hour |
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| 23:32.57 | acidslep | :D |
| 23:33.03 | acidslep | hi guys :) |
| 23:33.17 | acidslep | i went to the summit of pikes peak, isint that exciting? |
| 23:33.19 | mordy_ | ok, did dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) - now let's see if it will finally listen to me |
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| 23:34.06 | mordy_ | nope. still won't listen to me |
| 23:34.37 | newsense | i been to pikes peak |
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| 23:35.00 | n3kl | Etchnhalf is not released yet, right? |
| 23:35.15 | Zeroyez | right |
| 23:35.29 | Zeroyez | but you can add some repository to your sources.lsit |
| 23:35.31 | Zeroyez | list |
| 23:35.32 | acidslep | newsense, did you hike? |
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| 23:35.43 | n3kl | I will just wait for the release |
| 23:35.49 | newsense | yeah didnt make it to the top due to altitude sickness |
| 23:35.55 | n3kl | Can someone tell me the difference between vserver and xen? |
| 23:35.59 | Zeroyez | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian etch-proposed-updates main |
| 23:36.21 | acidslep | we just drove, it was boring |
| 23:36.26 | acidslep | i wanted to hike |
| 23:36.31 | newsense | its nice |
| 23:36.34 | Zeroyez | but i want to add that to an iso |
| 23:36.46 | acidslep | very beautiful scenery |
| 23:36.53 | asterrion | acid where to? |
| 23:36.54 | Zeroyez | so i can install that on my P5W DH computer |
| 23:36.58 | acidslep | but they dont want you on the tundra |
| 23:37.08 | acidslep | asterrion what? |
| 23:37.09 | mordy_ | n3kl - i'm still struggling over this :( i haven't the faintest clue of what could be causing any of this, and google isn't of much help - maybe there's some other log file i ought to look at |
| 23:37.20 | asterrion | hikeing |
| 23:37.29 | acidslep | pikes peak |
| 23:37.37 | asterrion | ahhhhh |
| 23:37.39 | n3kl | mordy_: refresh me |
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| 23:38.06 | asterrion | nice place, very intense hike. i know someone who did it |
| 23:38.14 | DawnLight | what is apt-install? |
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| 23:39.30 | mordy_ | n3kl - console frame buffer at boot, X broken with teal screen and no cursor - save for a brief second - i tried blacklisting radeonfb per dpkg's instructions - and the log files are here as well - xorg, dmesg http://paste.lisp.org/display/63855 |
| 23:39.49 | acidslep | whats dpkg vs apt? |
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| 23:40.01 | wols | gravity: I sometimes help in #ubuntu and there you can see it most clearly: "I upgraded to hardy from gutsy and now my video is broken" and when you investigate it's almost always something to do with EDID or recognizing what monitor output parameters to use |
| 23:40.12 | prahal | Eitan, cd /dev ; /sbin/MAKEDEV -v hda |
| 23:40.20 | wols | gravity: and then the fun of manually editing xorg.conf with anewbie starts.... |
| 23:40.24 | Eitan | praha: I miscalculated... it should take another 4 hours for ddrescue to finish |
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| 23:40.32 | Eitan | prahal: I miscalculated... it should take another 4 hours for ddrescue to finish |
| 23:40.33 | acidslep | hi wols :) |
| 23:40.51 | prahal | Eitan, I forgot it was creating the device in the "current" directory :-/ |
| 23:40.58 | wols | gravity: IIRC hardy still uses the autodetect stuff from when it was new. in older times drxx worked but not anymore :( |
| 23:41.01 | themill | gravity: that would probably be a good idea. We're getting a lot of "I used to be able to use drxx to change resolution/driver/kb layout but now that doesn't work". |
| 23:41.15 | wols | themill: got a lot better in sid |
| 23:41.25 | themill | excellent |
| 23:41.51 | prahal | Eitan, no pb we can try the mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt in the meantime |
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| 23:42.07 | n3kl | All of a sudden, my konsole asks me if I want to open a link when I double click it. I have no idea how it started doing it,but I love it |
| 23:42.22 | Eitan | prahal: http://pastebin.ca/1074864 |
| 23:42.46 | ki11bi11 | is there an apt-get install fix-my-ssl-stuff ? |
| 23:42.57 | Eitan | prahal: debian:/dev# mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 23:42.57 | Eitan | mount: special device /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 23:42.59 | wols | !topicsmite ki11bi11 |
| 23:42.59 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ki11bi11. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 23:43.30 | acidslep | XD |
| 23:43.30 | n3kl | mordy_: try to change the driver to vesa or something? There is a Fatal error in your xort log that you pasted. Read it. |
| 23:43.33 | prahal | Eitan, you have /dev/.static/dev/hda1 now . mount -t ext3 -o ro /dev/.static/dev/hda1 /mnt |
| 23:43.47 | ki11bi11 | this isn't Ubuntu? |
| 23:44.01 | mordy_ | hmm... how do i change it to vesa? do you mean mesa? |
| 23:44.17 | acidslep | apt vs dpkg? |
| 23:44.19 | n3kl | mordy_: no, vesa |
| 23:44.25 | Zeroyez | Can anyone direct me to an amd64 etch and a half iso, cd or dvd? |
| 23:44.26 | n3kl | vi /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 23:44.32 | Eitan | prahal: http://pastebin.ca/1074868 |
| 23:45.05 | n3kl | mordy_: look for a line that says Driver "atisomethingerother" change it to Driver "vesa" see if that works. It will be defined in your "Device Section" |
| 23:45.14 | DawnLight | !vesa |
| 23:45.14 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 23:45.28 | mordy_ | n3kl - already installed |
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| 23:45.48 | n3kl | mordy_: great, do it |
| 23:45.57 | mordy_ | n3kl - look for the line in xorg.conf? |
| 23:46.09 | n3kl | mordy_: yes |
| 23:46.17 | mordy_ | ahh |
| 23:46.46 | mordy_ | was thinking about that - let's see if that works. although something still tells me ti's not an X issue, since X is only intialized much later in boot |
| 23:46.48 | mordy_ | but let's see |
| 23:47.47 | prahal | Eitan, this requires fsck /dev/.static/dev/hda1 but with ddrescue running ... :-/ 4 hours is a long time |
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| 23:48.01 | mordy_ | until now the line said ATI |
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| 23:48.38 | Eitan | prahal: I know... what can I do but wait... do you mean you'll be gone? |
| 23:48.57 | n3kl | mordy_: I know nothing about radeon, but it looks to me like maybe you don't hav radeon tools or something installed |
| 23:49.04 | n3kl | mordy_: did it work? |
| 23:49.05 | mordy_ | i do, n3kl |
| 23:49.29 | prahal | Eitan, probably I will be back :) sleeping time |
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| 23:49.35 | mordy_ | n3kl - it worked for X |
| 23:49.46 | n3kl | mordy_: well, you're on your own with the radeon. Don't know much about it |
| 23:49.56 | n3kl | mordy_: thats what you were trying to fix right, so its working? |
| 23:50.09 | mordy_ | that was only the beginning of my problems |
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| 23:50.17 | mordy_ | but let's see if the others are solved |
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| 23:50.32 | Eitan | prahal: where are you located? |
| 23:50.45 | prahal | Eitan, Paris |
| 23:50.46 | wols | mordy_: why didn't you blacklist the fb device? |
| 23:50.46 | hacksilber | what is the big difference between mysql-community-server and mysql-server? |
| 23:50.55 | mordy_ | wols, i did |
| 23:51.08 | mordy_ | wols - the log i posted was from earlier |
| 23:51.09 | wols | mordy_: if you still have a graphical mode of sorts on bootup you did not |
| 23:51.48 | wols | !tell mordy_ nodm |
| 23:51.53 | prahal | wols, I did not knew about blacklisting in initrd . I guess I misguided mordy_ |
| 23:52.01 | wols | remove you dm for now and THEN tell us what the error is |
| 23:52.12 | wols | prahal: I do and I told him. if he ignored it it's his fault |
| 23:52.13 | Eitan | parahal: parlez vous francais? |
| 23:52.21 | wols | !fr | Eitan |
| 23:52.21 | prahal | as I don't use initrd .... I feel old |
| 23:52.32 | wols | !fr |
| 23:52.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 23:52.40 | prahal | Eitan, the rules of the channel are ... well |
| 23:52.44 | mordy_ | wols - i placed a line in both etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and blacklist.local "blacklist radeonfb" |
| 23:52.54 | wols | mordy_: and that is wrong as I told you |
| 23:53.09 | acidslep | apt vs dpkg? |
| 23:53.19 | prahal | but oui :) |
| 23:53.19 | wols | mordy_: that does NOT blackist anything in your initrd |
| 23:53.22 | cafuego | acidslep: different tools |
| 23:53.43 | wols | !tell mordy_ about blacklist |
| 23:53.46 | acidslep | i know, but is one better or does one depend on teh other? |
| 23:53.47 | wols | mordy_: READ it. ALL |
| 23:53.48 | mordy_ | wols - no change happened even after dpkg-reconfigure linux.... |
| 23:53.55 | Eitan | parahal: it must be 2 in the morning in paris... right? |
| 23:53.57 | mordy_ | wols, i read it all and followed it to the letter |
| 23:53.59 | cafuego | acidslep: they do different things, there is no "better" |
| 23:54.18 | acidslep | they use diffrent things? o.O |
| 23:54.26 | acidslep | s/use/do |
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| 23:54.30 | Nyle | things? |
| 23:54.30 | abrotman | maybe initramfs blacklist ? |
| 23:54.31 | Nyle | oh |
| 23:54.31 | cafuego | acidslep: yes |
| 23:54.36 | wols | acidslep: they ARE different things. yes they do different things |
| 23:54.43 | cafuego | acidslep: maybe you mean apt vs aptitude |
| 23:54.46 | acidslep | no |
| 23:54.52 | prahal | Eitan, yes ... that s why I probably be up at 7 when ddrescue will be over |
| 23:54.55 | acidslep | whats dpkg for cause i know what apt is for |
| 23:54.55 | cafuego | acidslep: In which case, soemtimes apt is better sometimes aptitude |
| 23:54.55 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 23:55.11 | cafuego | acidslep: dpkg is for installing package files and querying the package system |
| 23:55.16 | wols | mordy_: before going on to other things, make utterly sure what you do right now is successful. FIRST FB, _then_ X |
| 23:55.35 | Eitan | prahal: by all means sleep... I'll step away and let ddrescue run... I was then thinking of doing fsck /dev/hdb1 and then moutn /dev/hdb1 /mnt ... is that ok? |
| 23:55.36 | prahal | I am a "night bird" (I don't know how to translate that) |
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| 23:55.46 | Nyle | prahal, ? |
| 23:55.47 | Eitan | prahal: I mean mount |
| 23:55.48 | cafuego | acidslep: apt queries the AVAILABLE lists and installs packages from repositories. dpkg does not. |
| 23:55.48 | wols | mordy_: and if FB isn't done properly it's useless to try around with X. even if you never have given a error description so we don't even know if it'S the right thing to do |
| 23:55.57 | prahal | Eitan, yes . |
| 23:55.58 | Nyle | !dpkg |
| 23:55.58 | dpkg | methinks dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 23:56.16 | mordy_ | wols - what's interesting is that X does work with the vesa driver - but the framebuffered console still appears |
| 23:56.56 | wols | mordy_: I ignore you until you can come up with a proper error descriotion cause right now helping you is furtily and a waste of my time. good day |
| 23:57.02 | acidslep | so apt can do things that dpkg can do? |
| 23:57.07 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 23:57.08 | wols | acidslep: no |
| 23:57.08 | cafuego | acidslep: yes, and vice versa |
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| 23:57.19 | acidslep | >< does apt USE dpkg? |
| 23:57.19 | cafuego | acidslep: eh, "can't" that is |
| 23:57.21 | prahal | I ll stay a little while thinking of the alternatives if fsck is unable to fix it . The thing is I lost countless hard drives and always managed to rescue the data (well except for an ntfs partition ... I now hate ntfs) ... though it is not a straitforward process . |
| 23:57.24 | Eitan | prahal: bonne nuit |
| 23:57.26 | wols | acidslep: yes |
| 23:57.37 | acidslep | ok thanks wols :) |
| 23:57.40 | Nyle | btw wols |
| 23:57.41 | mordy_ | rolls eyes |
| 23:57.42 | Nyle | did you hear |
| 23:57.48 | prahal | Eitan, ciao. fair well |
| 23:57.51 | acidslep | goes off to swim |
| 23:57.59 | Nyle | wols, I got that cd to work, the one I burned under Vista |
| 23:58.26 | Nyle | wols, I put it in another vista machine and it worked. Still shows as 'file' in file -s /dev/cdrom |
| 23:58.50 | mordy_ | but thanks n3kl |
| 23:58.53 | Nyle | wols, though this is extremely stupid imo. So far, if I burn a cd on vista using vista software, I can't read it on debian |
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| 23:59.45 | Nyle | data, w/e |
