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| 00:00.19 | shefqeti | blizzow: iptables -L | grep FORWARD |
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| 00:00.59 | blizzow | shefqeti: Chain FORWARD (policy ACCEPT) |
| 00:01.43 | blizzow | forwarding seems to be on in kernel and iptables. |
| 00:02.48 | shefqeti | blizzow: I'd check routing again. if both networks connect to you on different ethernets each belonging to each network, i think it should work |
| 00:03.32 | jimmybgood | is there anywhere to get recent but superseded packages now that snapshot.debian.net has stopped archiving |
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| 00:04.17 | shefqeti | blizzow: you have forwarding on and forward default as accept. unless you block specifically with a firewall before reaching the default accept |
| 00:04.31 | rameel | is there a #debian-complain-complain-complain ? I just spent 4 hours getting debian and wirelss and wpa2 and a dell laptop to not work |
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| 00:04.59 | Guerin | rameel: maybe you shyould try #dell-complain-complain-complain |
| 00:05.15 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 00:05.40 | rameel | i think dell and debian are equally at fault! |
| 00:05.50 | Guerin | !think |
| 00:05.50 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 00:05.57 | tview | Guerin: why would you blame DELL for SW not working? |
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| 00:06.28 | valdyn | rameel: debian is made by volunteers. If you want to complain, buy something first that you could complain about, its not welcome here |
| 00:06.31 | Guerin | tview: it's not determined whether the software doesn't work or whether dell just has crappy unsupported hardware. |
| 00:06.31 | shefqeti | it's all about the drivers |
| 00:06.37 | blizzow | shefqeti: so do I need to add a network route and then add a default gw for that network? or should it be all done on one line? |
| 00:07.04 | shefqeti | dell doesn't wish to release them to debianinte minded crowds |
| 00:07.41 | streuner_ | looks at the watch and its fridays ... |
| 00:07.59 | abrotman | looks at streuner_'s tail |
| 00:08.09 | shefqeti | blizzow: try removing the routes you added by hand. normally there are dynamic routes for each ethernet when it comes up |
| 00:08.31 | streuner_ | abrotman: tail? |
| 00:08.37 | abrotman | _ |
| 00:08.56 | valdyn | shefqeti: no, only when dhcp is used |
| 00:09.05 | streuner_ | abrotman: good, late friday here ;-) |
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| 00:09.15 | abrotman | streuner_: put the bottle down |
| 00:09.45 | streuner_ | smashes the bottles on abrotman's head |
| 00:09.51 | valdyn | shefqeti: ( except for the subnet route ) |
| 00:10.31 | streuner_ | abrotman: but thats a good idea :-) |
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| 00:10.49 | valdyn | blizzow: your line with the gateway is a route that gets never used |
| 00:11.05 | valdyn | blizzow: because the subnet route above that is the first match for the same packets |
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| 00:11.13 | shefqeti | valdyn: i was thinking the gateway machine more than the hosts. the other network hosts i presume do have blizzow's machine as a default gw. |
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| 00:11.25 | abrotman | so there's an apt-setup udeb .. but no actual package ? |
| 00:11.26 | shefqeti | valdyn: so like the machine knows where the nets are. |
| 00:11.41 | blizzow | my neighbor's network hosts have their own gateway. |
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| 00:11.54 | shefqeti | blizzow: which is ? |
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| 00:12.07 | blizzow | The gateway on my neighbors network is 172.16.0.4 |
| 00:12.17 | shefqeti | blizzow: the gateway connected to your gateway ? |
| 00:12.45 | streuner_ | !find apt-setup |
| 00:12.52 | blizzow | My gateway is plugged into my neighbor's switch. |
| 00:12.56 | valdyn | blizzow: i think you want to draw a map of your network topology |
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| 00:13.28 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-setup' (2): (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-setup.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/apt-setup.html, /usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/bilder/instweiter/apt-setup.png) in non-free/doc/dahb-html. |
| 00:13.37 | Guerin | use different-coloured crayons for different subnets |
| 00:13.41 | valdyn | blizzow: though im starting to see what exactly you want. It implies that none of your routers need a gw entry |
| 00:13.49 | abrotman | streuner_: udeb .. in the installer |
| 00:13.53 | Guerin | draw a cloud to represent the internet, and a brick wall to represent a gateway |
| 00:14.21 | Guerin | these are the ancient traditions of the network map |
| 00:14.24 | abrotman | CLOUD! |
| 00:14.34 | shefqeti | valdyn: he might have the other ethernet plugged to the other network's switch |
| 00:14.41 | Nyle | Guerin, lol |
| 00:15.35 | JyZyXEL | whats the main tool for bluetooth? |
| 00:15.53 | Nyle | blue toothbrush? |
| 00:16.00 | JyZyXEL | bluetooth doesn't show up in ifconfig |
| 00:16.01 | blizzow | valdyn: could be. How would my router know to pass traffic from hosts on my network to my neighbors network over eth3? |
| 00:16.27 | shefqeti | blizow: you can reach all the other network hosts directly yea as valdyn said |
| 00:16.30 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: hcitool and sdptool is very handy with bluetooth |
| 00:16.49 | JyZyXEL | ok |
| 00:16.50 | valdyn | blizzow: paste your routing table on a paste site so i can show you easier |
| 00:16.50 | deadcat | all i get is "Begin: Waiting for root file system ..." on my ppc booting up. 2.6.25-2 |
| 00:16.52 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: what are you trying to connect to? |
| 00:17.09 | JyZyXEL | feitingen well im just preparing to bluetooth scavanger hunt |
| 00:17.34 | JyZyXEL | nokia is setting up 15 bluetooth devices and whoever finds them all gets a phone =) |
| 00:17.42 | kingsley | Which command, if any, returns 0 if a package is installed? |
| 00:17.43 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: ah, 'hcitool scanning' is probably what you want ;) |
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| 00:18.37 | valdyn | blizzow: why is your subnet mask 255.255.252.0 instead of 255.255.255.0 ? to make it harder to read ? |
| 00:19.02 | valdyn | blizzow: not like you need that |
| 00:19.02 | feitingen | kingsley: dpkg or something |
| 00:19.14 | blizzow | here it is without my neighbor's network http://pastebin.ca/1076092 |
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| 00:19.50 | blizzow | valdyn: I actually inherited this network...:( |
| 00:20.01 | blizzow | and thus maintenance of it. |
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| 00:20.07 | trifler | Some linux basics I guess but I would like to search my hdd for a file with a peticular name. Any ideas? :) |
| 00:20.28 | blizzow | trifler: find /*|grep yourfilenamehere |
| 00:20.32 | kingsley | feitingen: I think it's "or something" ;-) |
| 00:20.44 | pablo | hi, in iceweasel 2 i could print a page section, can that be done with iceweasel 3? |
| 00:20.48 | deadcat | trifler: find with -iname |
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| 00:21.08 | valdyn | blizzow: http://pastebin.ca/1076093 |
| 00:21.21 | feitingen | kingsley: ah.. apt-something maybe? |
| 00:21.28 | trifler | so first find the program to use then /* for the entire drive and then the filename |
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| 00:21.57 | feitingen | god, memtest86 is boring |
| 00:22.04 | deadcat | trifler: no. just find / -iname "*name*of*file*" 2> /dev/null |
| 00:22.12 | JyZyXEL | well this bluetooth thing seems to work |
| 00:22.23 | td123 | feitingen: memtest86+ is the way to go |
| 00:22.28 | streuner_ | sure, thats why you run it till next morning :-) |
| 00:22.29 | JyZyXEL | now i just have to build a huge 2.4GHz amp and a parabolic dish |
| 00:22.33 | trifler | deadcat: Yes but that was me trying to understand what each seperat thing does |
| 00:22.47 | shefqeti | kingsley: dpkg -l packagename | tail -1 | awk '{if ($1=="ii") print 0 ; else print 1; fi }' |
| 00:22.54 | shefqeti | kingsley: this is a command too. |
| 00:22.57 | shefqeti | lol |
| 00:22.58 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: good luck with finding the devices ;) |
| 00:23.11 | deadcat | trifler: that would be find everything thing starting from / that matches "name of file" ignoring cases and send error to /dev/null |
| 00:23.17 | JyZyXEL | feitingen do you know if i can make my bluetooth dongle to show to others? |
| 00:23.24 | valdyn | blizzow: so your router already knows, only thing needed is to activate the feature ( echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward ) |
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| 00:23.29 | kingsley | shefqeti: Thank you. |
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| 00:23.42 | shefqeti | kingsley: that fails when the package is not there at all |
| 00:23.49 | blizzow | valdyn: exactly...now when I route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 eth3 my router sees the other network fine but hosts my my segments dont see it. |
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| 00:24.13 | feitingen | td123: i thought the red blinking + was just for kicks, and not a part of the name |
| 00:24.13 | shefqeti | kingsley: you might want to put that in a script with a couple of more checks |
| 00:24.16 | trifler | deadcat: Ty |
| 00:24.50 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: i thought it did by default, look through /etc/bluetooth/hcid.conf |
| 00:24.51 | valdyn | blizzow: the hosts need route add -net 172.16.0.0 gw <gateway ip>" |
| 00:25.02 | valdyn | blizzow: now whats the hosts subnet and their gateway ip? |
| 00:25.16 | JyZyXEL | feitingen do you know if i can make it show to thousands of different named access points? ;)) |
| 00:25.46 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: it will show to those around you i think |
| 00:26.00 | JyZyXEL | but i mean can i with one dongle make multiple access points? |
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| 00:26.11 | blizzow | hosts on my network use gw 172.16.80.1 (the router), netmask 255.255.252.0 |
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| 00:27.31 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: it will only show up as one device i think |
| 00:27.52 | JyZyXEL | maybe i could make it show up as 10000 different devices? ;) |
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| 00:28.23 | valdyn | blizzow: that gives route add -net 172.16.0.0 netmask 255.255.252.0 gw 172.16.80.1 |
| 00:28.23 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: you have to change the hardware address of the device to do that.. i dont think its possible |
| 00:28.33 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: I had to add the script to rc1.d |
| 00:28.49 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: which makes absolutely no sense, but it worked |
| 00:29.00 | valdyn | blizzow: but mind, routes are executed in order, first match determines the path of the packet |
| 00:29.04 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: odd |
| 00:29.27 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: rc1 is supposed to be for the system... but apparently not! |
| 00:29.46 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: if you are trying to jam the frequencies, i suggest using wifi, it transmits with more power |
| 00:29.48 | valdyn | blizzow: no idea if automagic sorting is ok in all cases |
| 00:30.38 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: yea i can't explain that either |
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| 00:31.07 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: Strange that they don't overlap (like rc1.d is a duplicate of rc0.d mostly) |
| 00:31.20 | Cpudan80 | except rc0.d has a halt command in there |
| 00:31.22 | JyZyXEL | feitingen :P |
| 00:32.04 | streuner_ | Guerin: fishing? |
| 00:32.12 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: i use my laptop with wifi, when downloading something, it jams my bluetooth headset |
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| 00:32.37 | JyZyXEL | oh really? =D |
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| 00:32.44 | abrotman | Cpudan80: 1 isn't a dupe of 0 |
| 00:32.45 | JyZyXEL | haha they both work at same freqyency |
| 00:32.50 | feitingen | yay, 50% pass on memtest86+ |
| 00:33.10 | pablo | hi, can i print a section of a page with iceweasel 3 as i did in iceweasel 2? |
| 00:33.13 | streuner_ | good, now go to sleep ;-) |
| 00:33.30 | feitingen | JyZyXEL: yeah, and if i remember correctly, a microwave oven also work somewhere around that frequency |
| 00:33.34 | abrotman | pablo: you mean a selection ? |
| 00:33.41 | feitingen | if not smack in the middle... |
| 00:33.45 | pablo | abrotman: exactly |
| 00:33.45 | shefqeti | Cpudan80: rc0.d is what is called on halting. the rc1.d is supposed to contain the start and stops towards 0, i think |
| 00:33.53 | JyZyXEL | nice :) |
| 00:33.56 | abrotman | pablo: doesn't appear you can at all |
| 00:34.46 | blizzow | valdyn: so now I have....http://pastebin.ca/1076108 my router is able to ping the internet, my internal networks, and hosts on my neighbors network. hosts on my network are still unable to ping hosts on his network. (Which is my goal). |
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| 00:34.56 | pablo | abrotman: you mean i appears it can not be done? |
| 00:35.06 | abrotman | so it would seem |
| 00:35.31 | Cpudan80 | shefqeti: It's a custom kernel (debian/knoppix fork) so who knows what they've done to it |
| 00:36.02 | pablo | abrotman: so bad |
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| 00:37.14 | valdyn | blizzow: routing table on one of those hosts please |
| 00:38.29 | valdyn | blizzow: can your hosts ping the ip address facing your friends network on your gateway? |
| 00:38.31 | blizzow | a table from one of my hosts....http://pastebin.ca/1076112 |
| 00:39.14 | streuner_ | abrotman: when do you visit .de? |
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| 00:41.00 | abrotman | streuner_: i was just there a week ago! |
| 00:41.06 | valdyn | blizzow: so? |
| 00:41.08 | streuner_ | heh |
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| 00:41.21 | streuner_ | abrotman: where? |
| 00:41.25 | abrotman | streuner_: no idea .. not sure where i'd visit there |
| 00:41.32 | pablo | abrotman: is that a question of firefox or a cups question? |
| 00:41.33 | blizzow | valdyn: yes, my eth3 is configured as 172.16.0.8 and my hosts are able to ping it. |
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| 00:41.51 | abrotman | pablo: you'd find out by trying to print from other apps i suppose |
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| 00:41.58 | davor` | is there any way to start gnome-power-manager without gnome-session? |
| 00:42.20 | valdyn | blizzow: your setup is ok, your friends side is not |
| 00:42.33 | pablo | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 00:42.45 | abrotman | pablo: try to print from other applications .. see what other print dialogs offer |
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| 00:43.35 | valdyn | blizzow: your friend side uses a different router? which is it? routing table of friends route and host is what i neeed to see then |
| 00:43.47 | pablo | abrotman: evince never had the selection print, but iceweasel 2 had it |
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| 00:43.55 | valdyn | blizzow: your friend side uses a different router? which is it? routing table of friends router and host is what i neeed to see then |
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| 00:44.08 | abrotman | pablo: it's entirely possible they changed print dialogs |
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| 00:44.14 | abrotman | thingfish2: hi |
| 00:44.19 | thingfish2 | hi abrotman |
| 00:44.24 | pablo | abrotman: who? cups or firefox? |
| 00:44.36 | abrotman | firefox |
| 00:45.00 | blizzow | valdyn: when I traceroute, where should I see it drop? |
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| 00:45.33 | valdyn | blizzow: just before the destination |
| 00:45.37 | streuner_ | abrotman: some unis in US organises travels in europe, they just travel in .de for a whole week for less money... |
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| 00:45.44 | shefqeti | blizzow: after the first hop. you have only one gw in between |
| 00:46.04 | valdyn | yep |
| 00:46.21 | abrotman | streuner_: i'm a bit old for that :) |
| 00:46.29 | vision_ | say I want to do a Bios update. And I download an exe package, so I use wine to run it and get its contents, then I have my .bat file and some others, so do I have to make them into a disk image or can I just copy them to floppy |
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| 00:46.48 | streuner_ | abrotman: too old to travel? ;-) |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | with uni students |
| 00:47.22 | blizzow | ok routing table from a host on my neighbor's network...http://pastebin.ca/1076117 |
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| 00:47.29 | streuner_ | heh, that depends on the people... |
| 00:47.29 | abrotman | vision_: you'd likely follow the instructions from manuf website |
| 00:47.51 | valdyn | blizzow: so a different gw |
| 00:47.55 | valdyn | blizzow: thats ok though |
| 00:48.51 | valdyn | blizzow: but whats that gateways routing table? whats that gateways ip that faces your side? |
| 00:48.52 | streuner_ | abrotman: there is german speak - You are so old HOW you feeliing... |
| 00:49.09 | abrotman | you are only as old as you feel .. or something like that |
| 00:49.13 | valdyn | blizzow: and can friends hosts ping the ip of the gateway that faces your side |
| 00:49.21 | shefqeti | blizzow: probably the host 172.16.0.1 needs to add a route to your network through your gw, using the ip your gw has that belongs to your neighbor's network |
| 00:49.46 | blizzow | My neighbors hosts can ping my gw (172.16.80.1) |
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| 00:50.22 | valdyn | blizzow: ip forwarding enabled? |
| 00:50.40 | shefqeti | blizzow: what's the ip you have in eth3 ? |
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| 00:52.50 | Tramp | shefqeti: <blizzow> valdyn: yes, my eth3 is configured as 172.16.0.8 -- he already mentioned that |
| 00:53.15 | shefqeti | Tramp: oh didn't see. thanks |
| 00:53.29 | valdyn | routing is obviously fine |
| 00:53.35 | valdyn | forwarding might not be |
| 00:54.22 | valdyn | oh ops |
| 00:54.31 | shefqeti | valdyn: he had it on and forward default was accept |
| 00:55.05 | valdyn | shefqeti: maybe only on his own router |
| 00:55.08 | Tramp | I would tcpdump on both eth3 and eth5, -veni, icmp and arp, then try and end-to-end ping. |
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| 00:55.57 | shefqeti | valdyn: yet he said the neighbor hosts can bing his gateway's internal ethernet. strange |
| 00:56.04 | shefqeti | ping* |
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| 00:57.11 | shefqeti | blizzow: you have a firewall in the gateway? it's rules might prevent you from reaching the other network |
| 00:57.44 | shefqeti | blizzow: or the other network's firewall rules |
| 00:58.11 | blizzow | I'll check the rules on the firewall, but it doesn't seem like there are any preventing it. |
| 01:00.07 | davor` | what's the file that controls what programs are run when i log in on my computer (on xorg) |
| 01:01.50 | shefqeti | sleepy time. byes all |
| 01:01.57 | blizzow | thanks shefqeti! |
| 01:02.07 | shefqeti | no problem blizzow |
| 01:02.31 | davor` | anyone? |
| 01:03.03 | davor` | i need gdm to perform a task when i log in. xinit doesn't work, right? |
| 01:03.14 | davor` | does xinitrc work? |
| 01:04.09 | davor` | or xsession? which should i use? |
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| 01:05.07 | smacnay | is the libmp3lame0 from debian-multimedia supposed to replace the currently installed liblame0? |
| 01:05.15 | smacnay | this is in "testing" |
| 01:05.20 | blizzow | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:05.33 | Guerin | smacnay: lame shouldn't be in debian at all. |
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| 01:06.16 | smacnay | Guerin, ah, must be in the Debian-multimedia repository (I wasn't aware there was an issue with lame in Debian). |
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| 01:08.59 | zyx386 | :) Debian vertical banner with arabic script http://linwx.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/debian_xorrsk_120_240.png |
| 01:10.04 | Tramp | blizzow: tcpdump -veni eth3 icmp or arp <-- run this simultanously on both eth3 and eth5. Then ping and pastebin the output |
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| 01:11.30 | kanzure | Okay. Let's just try working backwards. If you were a quadcore, where would you be? |
| 01:12.53 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 01:15.54 | blizzow | That's a lot of info! |
| 01:16.10 | smacnay | kanzure, obviously not in my computer |
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| 01:17.34 | Tramp | blizzow: are you talking to me? |
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| 01:17.46 | blizzow | Yes Tramp....http://pastebin.ca/1076144 |
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| 01:19.59 | Tramp | blizzow: I see 3 dumps, not 2. 2 on eth3, one on eth5. The first on eth3 is earlier - is it relevant? |
| 01:22.18 | blizzow | sorry, the first eth3 dump is irrelevant. |
| 01:24.13 | dante_2core | looks like lots of interfaces :P |
| 01:25.19 | Tramp | blizzow: ok. I see the requests (83.45->0.200) entering eth5 and leaving eth3. Also the 0.200 answers arp fine. Problem is,that there are no replies. |
| 01:25.21 | streuner | Guerin: lame isn't in Debian ;-) |
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| 01:25.56 | Tramp | blizzow: now, can you do the same tcpdump on this 0.200 machine? |
| 01:27.36 | blizzow | yeah...that's the realization I'm coming to. |
| 01:28.34 | Tramp | blizzow: I think the problem is, that the "other router" (the 0.1) sends icmp redirects (to 0.8) which the 0.200 ignores. |
| 01:29.25 | Tramp | blizzow: to test this hypothesis, you could set a route to the 80.0/22 network on the 0.200 host (via 0.8). |
| 01:30.01 | Tramp | blizzow: what speaks against this hypothesisi is, that - as you said - the 80.1 is pingable from the 0.* |
| 01:31.06 | Guerin | streuner: shouldn't be. Didn't used to be. |
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| 01:32.18 | blizzow | tramp, you're right...here's the pastebin from 172.16.0.200. As far as I can tell, it receives packets from my host. But you're also right that 172.16.0.200 can ping 172.16.80.1 ....http://pastebin.ca/1076156 |
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| 01:35.26 | blizzow | So it looks like their router is not forwarding packets to us....strange. I'll have a talk with them. |
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| 01:35.40 | blizzow | Am I right in my thinking? |
| 01:35.42 | Tramp | blizzow: ok. As you see from the ether-header it sends the replies to its default-gw. It may well be, that this GW drops them, because it has no matching request |
| 01:36.11 | Tramp | blizzow: if it has a stateful packet-filter, this is the expected behaviour. This "triangular routing" is actually evil. |
| 01:38.13 | blizzow | ok, thanks Tramp! I'll talk to my neighbor. Any recommendations on how to clean it up so it's not "triangular"? |
| 01:38.17 | Tramp | blizzow: however, it does not fully explain, why the 0.200 can ping 80.1 but not 80.other (I assume, you tried 0.200->80.other) |
| 01:39.18 | Tramp | blizzow: yes. Add a route on the 0.* to route 80.0/22 via 0.8 (i.e. directly to your eth3 and not to its default-GW 0.1) |
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| 01:43.21 | blizzow | on 172.16.0.200 I should: route add -net 172.16.80.0/22 gw 172.16.0.8 ?? |
| 01:43.57 | Tramp | yes |
| 01:45.36 | blizzow | that did it, now I'm able to ping that 172.16.0.200 from my network. |
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| 01:46.21 | blizzow | so I just need them to add a route to their gw that pushes all 172.16.80/22 traffice to 172.16.0.8? |
| 01:46.26 | Tramp | blizzow: the disadvantage is, that this has to be done on every 0.* machine of course (and, as you probably know, it's not persistent, so you have to hook it up in some startup-script or, in case of debian, interfaces) |
| 01:47.26 | Tramp | blizzow: ah . good point. The problem could simply be the missing route on their gateway, right. |
| 01:48.07 | blizzow | awesome-O 5000. |
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| 01:48.30 | Tramp | blizzow: but wait. no. The 0.200 didn't arp for 80.1, it sent it to the gw. So this 0.1-GW already has a route for 80.0/22 |
| 01:48.45 | junkeR | Hello Everyone |
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| 01:50.17 | Tramp | blizzow: you either (1) have to set this route on every 0.200 machine or (2) have to link the two gateways over a small network, provided the other router has an available interface. |
| 01:50.44 | raijin | hi i am wondering aobut the initramfs source file |
| 01:50.53 | raijin | about* |
| 01:50.58 | blizzow | I will have to talk to their network guys. It may only be a couple of machines we need to do this for. Thanks for the help Tramp... |
| 01:51.02 | blizzow | I owe you big time. |
| 01:51.11 | raijin | if i leave it blank will it just generate it own its own |
| 01:51.14 | raijin | ? |
| 01:51.15 | Tramp | blizzow: yw. - Do you know what kind of router this 0.1 is? |
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| 01:51.34 | leoechevarria | hi everybody |
| 01:51.39 | junkeR | Why isn't the 1.1.x branch of Iceape in the repositories? |
| 01:51.53 | neonlightning | how do i configure xorg i see mention of dexconf when i go to edit xorg.conf |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | !info iceape etch |
| 01:52.00 | blizzow | I think it's also a linux iptables based router. |
| 01:52.14 | blizzow | what's yw.? |
| 01:52.15 | leoechevarria | i got a k6-2 500 mhz / 64mb ram machine running debian etch, what would you recommend to use for the best performance? and how to use it :P? |
| 01:52.21 | dpkg | iceape: (The Iceape Internet Suite), section web, is optional. Version: 1.0.11~pre071022-0etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 27 kB, Installed size: 84 kB |
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| 01:52.23 | leoechevarria | the kernel now is 2.6.18 |
| 01:52.44 | raijin | !info initamfs |
| 01:53.05 | Tramp | blizzow: you're welcome 8) - well, then it should at least be possible to add another IF to this router - up to you to find out, what's better for your setup. |
| 01:53.10 | raijin | !info initramfs |
| 01:53.29 | blizzow | thanks again. Time to go get some sleep! |
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| 01:54.14 | raijin | Tramp: ping |
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| 01:55.46 | abrotman | raijin: are you compiling your own kernel ? |
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| 01:56.28 | raijin | abrotman: yes i need vlsi suppot |
| 01:56.32 | raijin | support* |
| 01:56.48 | raijin | sound card |
| 01:58.31 | raijin | abrotman: what i need to know is the location (if any) if the initramfs source file |
| 01:58.46 | abrotman | the what? |
| 01:58.53 | abrotman | there's a /etc/initramfs/ or something like that |
| 01:58.55 | raijin | it seems i should leave it blank. this is my first kernel build using debian, so i am not familiar with the method |
| 01:59.00 | abrotman | !kp |
| 01:59.00 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
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| 02:02.37 | leoechevarria | raijin: i have to compile a 2.4 too, for an old machine |
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| 02:04.31 | raijin | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:04.56 | hedos | Hello! I'm having trouble getting my sound working on debian... I have a usb creative sound card. The sound used to work, but now it doesn't anymore, I don't know why. |
| 02:05.19 | streuner | hedos: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 02:05.28 | hedos | When I type 'alsamixer', I see the sound card in use is "Intel ICH6" instead of my creative usb card. |
| 02:06.02 | hedos | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 02:06.32 | hedos | There's a bunch of weird messages above that, though. |
| 02:06.35 | Guerin | hedos: you can tell alsa to use one card over another. |
| 02:06.37 | streuner | fine, and what did you change in the meantime? |
| 02:06.48 | Guerin | hedos: if one is onboard, disable it in bios |
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| 02:07.18 | hedos | Guerin, how can I tell alsa? |
| 02:07.36 | Guerin | hedos: dunno. probably by editing .asoundrc |
| 02:08.21 | leoechevarria | hedos: ain't there an option in alsamixer itself? |
| 02:08.49 | hedos | leoechevarria, ah, right, thanks |
| 02:09.13 | streuner | hedos: http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA?highlight=%28asoundrc%29 |
| 02:09.51 | streuner | see Section Troubleshooting |
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| 02:14.56 | hedos | It seems I unloaded all sound drivers and I can't reload them, unless I run "alsaconf", which does not list my usb sound card. |
| 02:14.59 | path__ | anybody knows a better emulator than no$gba to nds? |
| 02:15.17 | hedos | However, before unloading the drivers, "cat /proc/asound/cards" would list my usb card along with its id number. |
| 02:15.55 | hedos | I tried changing my usb card to make it default, however, how could I load the drivers without rebooting? |
| 02:17.27 | Guerin | modprobe? |
| 02:17.31 | Guerin | just an idea |
| 02:18.57 | streuner | hedos: what does "dpkg -l udev" say? (only the version) |
| 02:19.16 | hedos | streuner: 0.105-4 |
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| 02:20.56 | leoechevarria | do you know how to run dhclient automatically on startup? |
| 02:21.12 | leoechevarria | i have an old machine with inet and i got to run it manually every time i start it |
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| 02:21.53 | streuner | /msg dpkg interfaces |
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| 02:22.40 | streuner | hedos: and what does lsmod say about these modules? |
| 02:23.20 | streuner | (if they aren't loaded, just use Guerin's advice) |
| 02:23.44 | hedos | streuner, which modules? |
| 02:24.05 | streuner | snd-<foo> |
| 02:24.17 | hedos | There's no "snd" in lsmod output. |
| 02:24.30 | hedos | I tried modprobe snd-audio or snd-usb-audio, these modules apparently cannot be found. |
| 02:24.38 | hedos | I'm not sure what to modprobe. |
| 02:24.38 | streuner | well, its hard to use ALSA then |
| 02:25.04 | streuner | hedos: did you change the kernel in meantime? |
| 02:25.07 | hedos | Well, alsa was apparently running for my integrated audio a moment before... |
| 02:25.09 | hedos | Nope |
| 02:25.15 | Guerin | hedos: your module is called snd-something |
| 02:25.32 | hedos | Oh wait, snd-usb-audio worked! |
| 02:25.35 | Guerin | if you don't know what it is, google - or refr to what gets automatically loaded at boot time |
| 02:25.38 | hedos | I guess I tried something else. |
| 02:25.40 | hedos | That fixed the sound. |
| 02:25.43 | hedos | THanks a lot! |
| 02:25.47 | Guerin | huzzah! |
| 02:25.50 | hedos | Yay :) |
| 02:25.56 | martiancode | hi, folks I'm trying to make sure dovecot is working |
| 02:26.14 | martianixor | or actually appropriately installed |
| 02:26.29 | martianixor | dpkg -l dovecot* shows 3 packages |
| 02:26.29 | dpkg | No packages found matching dovecot* shows 3 packages |
| 02:26.43 | martianixor | oops |
| 02:27.03 | martianixor | this is lenny |
| 02:27.32 | martianixor | I have dovecot-common, dovecot-imapd |
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| 02:27.46 | martianixor | and dovecot-pop3d installed |
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| 02:28.32 | Guerin | then you have dovecot installed |
| 02:28.34 | martianixor | when I start dovecot then netstat -lnp | grep -i dovecot, or netstat -lnp | grep 143 I don't find it, provided that I didn't change the ports to listen to |
| 02:28.45 | Guerin | if it's not working as you expect, I recommend you consult #dovecot |
| 02:28.55 | martianixor | Guerin: when I start dovecot I don't get any messages that it's running |
| 02:29.42 | martianixor | Guerin: yeah I planned to head to #dovecot as soon as I make sure there's not problem related to installation |
| 02:30.27 | streuner | martian68: well, look at the BTS then :-) |
| 02:30.41 | Guerin | martianixor: start it how? check your logs. |
| 02:30.54 | martianixor | Guerin: /etc/init.d/dovecot start |
| 02:31.30 | streuner | What does BTS say about? |
| 02:32.05 | martianixor | streuner: I don't think it came to BTS yet, I've seen a lead in mail.log it's related to authentication |
| 02:32.26 | streuner | !think |
| 02:32.26 | dpkg | Don't think. KNOW. |
| 02:32.34 | martianixor | streuner: so far it seems like a configuration problem, cause as I checked with Guerin nothing is wrong with installation |
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| 02:33.57 | Nyle | Guerin, sup |
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| 02:34.38 | streuner | OMGNIH |
| 02:34.48 | Nyle | what |
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| 02:35.10 | streuner | (omg Nyle is here) |
| 02:35.42 | Nyle | why say omg? |
| 02:35.49 | Nyle | you don't want me to be here? |
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| 02:36.41 | hansengel | Hi, is this the right place to ask about making debian packages? |
| 02:36.59 | abrotman | !mg |
| 02:36.59 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 02:37.16 | Nyle | hansengel, yes |
| 02:37.55 | hansengel | Mine's a bit more complicated than beginner, I suppose - I've created a Firefox extension and recently noticed the Thunderbird extension 'enigmail' was available as a Debian package |
| 02:38.13 | hansengel | I extracted the .deb and looked at how it was done, and it seemed easy enough |
| 02:38.30 | Nyle | why don't you just get the source |
| 02:38.40 | hansengel | but there's one problem - it installed the extension to /usr/lib/thunderbird |
| 02:38.48 | hansengel | but for firefox, I see three folders |
| 02:39.03 | hansengel | /usr/lib/firefox, /user/lib/firefox-3.0, and /usr/lib/firefox-addons |
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| 02:39.08 | hansengel | they all contain addons |
| 02:39.17 | hansengel | Nyle: what do you mean? |
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| 02:39.25 | Nyle | get the soruce deb |
| 02:39.35 | Nyle | you said you extracted the deb |
| 02:39.42 | hansengel | yes |
| 02:39.49 | Nyle | get the source package instead |
| 02:39.59 | Nyle | look at the rules and control files in the debian subdir |
| 02:40.05 | hedos | Hello. I'm getting somewhat decent fps in fgl_glxgears (300-600 fps in a mazimised window 1280x960). However, playing a video in firefox in fullscreen is terribly slow. |
| 02:40.10 | abrotman | hansengel: what's wrong with that? i'd probably drop it in /usr/lib/firefox/ if it were me .. seems the most generic |
| 02:40.11 | hedos | Is that due to my video card driver? |
| 02:40.21 | hansengel | abrotman: Yeah |
| 02:40.27 | hansengel | Nyle: what would that do, though? |
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| 02:40.37 | hedos | I can play Warcraft III actually. At a decent FPS too. |
| 02:40.48 | abrotman | hedos: a flash video ? |
| 02:40.54 | hedos | abrotman, yes |
| 02:41.51 | streuner | hm |
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| 02:42.13 | abrotman | hedos: FWIW .. i've noticed flash having a very detrimental effect on my system lately |
| 02:43.40 | godling | Adobe Flash? |
| 02:43.43 | hedos | abrotman, hmm... well, I'm pretty sure there's a way to get flash working faster than that on debian. |
| 02:43.50 | hedos | Talking about flash player. |
| 02:43.56 | godling | ah |
| 02:44.02 | godling | it skips. :( |
| 02:44.09 | streuner | good luck with that one :-) |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | hedos: if you find it . let me know |
| 02:44.19 | streuner | and blame adobe NOT Debian |
| 02:44.23 | abrotman | hedos: it's been eating half my CPU doing nothing |
| 02:44.28 | godling | If I want to watch hulu.com without annoyance I have to boot into Windows. :/ |
| 02:44.35 | godling | streuner: I know! They suck. |
| 02:44.43 | hedos | Seriously? You guys all have this problem? :S |
| 02:44.48 | streuner | sure |
| 02:44.57 | godling | hedos: Really? The skipping thing is what you are having a problem with? |
| 02:45.09 | hedos | godling: Right... |
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| 02:45.17 | hedos | godling: What is your problem with flash player? |
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| 02:45.51 | godling | It seems to skip sometimes, or go into a small loop of stuttering. |
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| 02:46.03 | godling | It does not do so in Windows. |
| 02:46.32 | hedos | Argh, I just let go of my windows machine for two months. |
| 02:46.55 | godling | So I am thinking it's Adobe saying F U to the Linux guys. |
| 02:47.34 | godling | Can someone do me a favor and try to connect to irc.2600.net so I know it's just not me who can't connect? |
| 02:48.33 | foutrelis | godling, connects fine here .-. |
| 02:48.47 | godling | foutrelis: Where is "here"? |
| 02:49.03 | foutrelis | godling, Greece .-. |
| 02:49.14 | godling | Ok, thanks. |
| 02:49.29 | godling | I am in California. |
| 02:49.51 | godling | I can ping it and the ping time is reasonable but irssi won't connect to the server, says the network is unreachable. |
| 02:50.03 | streuner | hm, seems .gr has better connections vs. california. the old world isn't that what it was... |
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| 02:50.20 | foutrelis | godling, try doing a tracepath |
| 02:50.25 | godling | Well, ping irc.2600.net then do a whois on the resulting ip |
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| 02:51.40 | foutrelis | godling, it could also be your ISP blocking IRC ports .-. |
| 02:51.48 | godling | argh |
| 02:51.51 | godling | too many hops |
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| 02:52.07 | godling | stops replying at hop 11 |
| 02:52.18 | godling | foutrelis: Yes, I considered that too. |
| 02:52.33 | foutrelis | godling, which was the last hop that replied? |
| 02:53.00 | godling | It is just an IP. You want it? |
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| 02:53.21 | streuner | foutrelis: what do you study in .gr? |
| 02:53.31 | foutrelis | godling, sure, to compare with my results :) |
| 02:53.39 | godling | I would really like to learn much more about networks than I already know. |
| 02:53.58 | godling | foutrelis: 10: 209.177.159.217 (209.177.159.217) asymm 11 49.158ms |
| 02:54.03 | foutrelis | streuner, Informatics .-. |
| 02:54.28 | streuner | foutrelis: athen? |
| 02:54.35 | godling | I'm pissed because the last HOPE is going on RIGHT NOW |
| 02:54.43 | foutrelis | streuner, yes, at the university of piraeus |
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| 02:54.59 | godling | someone is streaming it live but they just cut off a potentially cool talk for music |
| 02:55.26 | foutrelis | godling, try mibbit.com :) |
| 02:55.33 | streuner | foutrelis: are you going to be a DD as well? |
| 02:55.41 | godling | foutrelis: thanks |
| 02:56.12 | foutrelis | streuner, DD? |
| 02:56.20 | Nyle | !dd |
| 02:56.20 | dpkg | methinks dd is a abbreviation for Debian Developer, or man dd, or dd if=/foo/vmlinuz of=/dev/fd0 to produce a bootable floppy, or dd if=/dev/hdc of=image.iso to make an image of a cd/dvd |
| 02:56.21 | streuner | Debian Developer |
| 02:57.41 | foutrelis | streuner, I certainly would enjoy that, but I'm not skilled enough yet :) |
| 02:57.56 | streuner | hehe, clever |
| 02:58.43 | Nyle | meowbit |
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| 03:04.23 | deb_user | any body in the community familiar with foss video cameras? I mean...camera hardware that will run linux as firmware |
| 03:05.15 | deb_user | or maybe point me to an irc channel that may give me some idea of what's out there |
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| 03:08.04 | htmlol | !usb-install |
| 03:08.05 | dpkg | i guess usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ or http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian |
| 03:08.12 | htmlol | !usb install |
| 03:08.13 | dpkg | hmm... usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
| 03:09.13 | HockeyInJune[] | I have an issue with apt-get. Every other package I try to install gives me a 'package depends on another package that will not be installed' error. When I trace it down, it tells me the package I want installed depends on an older version of the package that will not install, and finishes with an 'E: Broken Packages' |
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| 03:09.38 | htmlol | anyone know how to get debian on usb? I tried all the instructions with debootstrap, etc. but nothing worked. |
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| 03:13.19 | htmlol | o ok abrotman |
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| 03:40.44 | tclineks | how can i determine what package provides a file? |
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| 03:41.51 | pickcoder | !info apt-file etch |
| 03:41.53 | dpkg | apt-file: (APT package searching utility -- command-line interface), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.0.8.2 (etch), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 96 kB |
| 03:42.40 | pickcoder | brb |
| 03:43.34 | leoechevarria | have you ever got a message like this "Version requires old depmod, but couldn't run /sbin/depmod.old: No such file or directory" compiling a 2.4.x kernel? |
| 03:43.44 | leoechevarria | an error message i mean |
| 03:43.53 | leoechevarria | "make[1]: *** [_modinst_post] Error 2" |
| 03:44.49 | Helios | apt-get php5 is only getting 5.2.0, how can I force it to get the latest version? |
| 03:46.18 | enouf | leoechevarria: all i can say is etch dropped support for any 2.4.x .. |
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| 03:46.37 | enouf | iinm, pretty certain though |
| 03:46.51 | leoechevarria | enouf: i'm compiling it in lenny |
| 03:47.01 | enouf | well, there ya go |
| 03:47.08 | leoechevarria | but i was planning to use it in etch |
| 03:47.20 | leoechevarria | do you mean i won't be able to compile it in etch / lenny or tu use it? |
| 03:47.46 | enouf | both, all .. i guess whatever it is would need a rewrite for 2.6.x |
| 03:48.02 | leoechevarria | Helios: if there's not a newer version in repos i don't think you'll be able to have it |
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| 03:48.15 | leoechevarria | enouf: i got a k6-2 |
| 03:48.17 | wols_ | leoechevarria: lenny does not work with 2.4.x at all. libc6 won't allow it |
| 03:48.27 | neonlightning | i've been googling and googling and searching synaptic and i still can't figure out how to use debconf to setup my mouse and videocard |
| 03:48.28 | Helios | :( |
| 03:48.28 | enouf | leoechevarria: so? |
| 03:48.31 | wols_ | you cannot evern use a 2.4 kernel in lenny |
| 03:48.45 | leoechevarria | i've been told 2.4.x will work better with this processor |
| 03:48.45 | wols_ | neonlightning: what videocard is it? |
| 03:48.51 | enouf | leoechevarria: the -686 kernels work with that, iinm |
| 03:48.56 | enouf | oh wait |
| 03:48.58 | leoechevarria | i was compiling it in lenny, gonnause it in lenny |
| 03:48.59 | enouf | -586 |
| 03:49.07 | wols_ | enouf: they don't exist |
| 03:49.17 | neonlightning | wols_, r200 series(radeon 9250) |
| 03:49.21 | leoechevarria | *sorry |
| 03:49.21 | enouf | wols_: don't we have -486 ? |
| 03:49.23 | leoechevarria | gonna use it in etch |
| 03:49.25 | wols_ | leoechevarria: 2.4 will make your lenny system unbootable |
| 03:49.34 | wols_ | enouf: yes but no 586 |
| 03:49.44 | leoechevarria | yes, k6-2 are 586 |
| 03:49.46 | enouf | well, -486 is one step down :-P |
| 03:49.58 | enouf | and shuold be perfectly usable, no? |
| 03:50.08 | wols_ | leoechevarria: who told you that BS that it would work better? |
| 03:50.13 | enouf | (that's really what i meant) |
| 03:50.15 | neonlightning | wols_, the mouse is the harder one due to me having a logitech v150 7 button mouse and only having the standard 5buttons(nowadays standard) |
| 03:50.45 | wols_ | neonlightning: the driver is "radeon" for your card btw |
| 03:50.49 | leoechevarria | wols_: a few friends from here, why? |
| 03:51.15 | leoechevarria | they told me that 2.4 kernels would work better than 2.6 ones with k6 |
| 03:51.25 | neonlightning | vorian, i know i can't even figure out how to put together my xorg.conf because i've never ran a debian system other then ubuntu and have no clue what debconf or dexconf are |
| 03:51.26 | stoned | enouf, duadnum |
| 03:51.40 | enouf | stoned: word |
| 03:51.41 | neonlightning | vorian, sorry i ment wols_ |
| 03:51.48 | stoned | enouf, so whats up |
| 03:51.56 | wols_ | leoechevarria: because those friends are clueless |
| 03:52.13 | leoechevarria | wols_: they've used k6, and they've used 2.4 |
| 03:52.16 | wols_ | neonlightning: what debian branch? |
| 03:52.21 | leoechevarria | they're not unexperienced |
| 03:52.24 | neonlightning | wols_, lenny |
| 03:52.37 | wols_ | leoechevarria: and never ever in lenny or with the lenny libc6 vresion. your system will NOT BOOT with a 2.4 kernel if you run lenny. end of it |
| 03:52.48 | wols_ | neonlightning: lines like Option "Buttons" "6" |
| 03:52.52 | wols_ | for the buttons |
| 03:52.56 | neonlightning | tried it |
| 03:53.20 | leoechevarria | wols_: i'm not gonna use it in lenny! i'm just compiling it in lenny, i didn't know i couldn't do it with this version |
| 03:53.24 | leoechevarria | does it work in etch? |
| 03:53.33 | leoechevarria | or is it too new too? |
| 03:53.35 | neonlightning | i set it to 7 button and then also set the z axis and all that did was change 4 and 5 to 6 and 7 |
| 03:53.45 | wols_ | leoechevarria: possibly but things like udev and such won't. unsupported here too |
| 03:53.54 | wols_ | leoechevarria: your friends are wrong, pure and simple |
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| 03:54.12 | leoechevarria | wols_: well... don't be so direct |
| 03:54.18 | leoechevarria | you should talk to them first |
| 03:54.26 | wols_ | I don't need to talk to morons |
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| 03:54.40 | neonlightning | gives wols_ a round of applause for that one |
| 03:54.41 | wols_ | leoechevarria: and if you don't like what I said: fine. goodbye |
| 03:54.51 | stoned | dick |
| 03:55.01 | stoned | this is what #debian is reduced to |
| 03:55.09 | stoned | name calling and ego bullshit |
| 03:55.10 | leoechevarria | wols_: oh oh oh, easy |
| 03:55.11 | stoned | wow |
| 03:55.40 | neonlightning | stoned, try beeing in #fedora when gent has taken a day of |
| 03:55.40 | leoechevarria | calm down wols_, everything's fine |
| 03:55.45 | neonlightning | *off |
| 03:55.49 | wols_ | says the right one... |
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| 03:56.01 | Nyle | wols_, pull the stick out of your ass |
| 03:56.11 | Nyle | you can say what you need to say without being a prick. |
| 03:56.14 | wols_ | Nyle: go away to -ot where you belong |
| 03:56.19 | Nyle | unelss your parents didn't teach you manners |
| 03:56.25 | Nyle | or any social skills |
| 03:56.38 | wols_ | I get tired of repeating myself lots and lots while getting no argument in return |
| 03:56.50 | enouf | leoechevarria: one unfortunate misunderstanding is that lenny is newer than etch, and i'm pretty sure you think it's older than etch |
| 03:56.54 | wols_ | Nyle: that coming from you? fuck off to #ot again |
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| 03:57.13 | BrahmsC | the debian installer can't detect my cdrom |
| 03:57.15 | stew | both of you take a 10 minute break |
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| 03:57.41 | smacnay | are the packages from debian-multimedia not working well with deb apps (naming and other issues)? |
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| 03:57.43 | leoechevarria | enouf: no, i've been using debian for quite months, i'm just a bit stupid and ununderstandable too :P |
| 03:57.50 | leoechevarria | i know that lenny is newer |
| 03:57.51 | neonlightning | enouf, i had thought lenny was newer but not bleeding edge thats why i went with it |
| 03:58.06 | BrahmsC | what's wrong, aren't all cdrom using a general driver ?! |
| 03:58.13 | BrahmsC | mgeneric |
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| 03:58.36 | enouf | leoechevarria: ok |
| 03:58.45 | enouf | neonlightning: that's a different topic |
| 03:58.46 | BrahmsC | i have installed another distribution and the installation went fine, now it hangs and can't mount it |
| 03:59.04 | neonlightning | ahh ok |
| 03:59.26 | leoechevarria | BrahmsC: how's your pc?¿ |
| 03:59.41 | leoechevarria | i have had the same problem with some HP desktops, i could only use ubuntu |
| 04:00.15 | neonlightning | wols_, i'm used to using xorg --reconfigure to setup my xorg with atleast a base to modify till its proper or using a gui(gkdebconf fails miserably for me) |
| 04:00.18 | enouf | BrahmsC: for newer hardware, you could try passing "install generi.all_generic_ide=1" at the boot prompt |
| 04:00.38 | enouf | BrahmsC: otherwise you might try etchnhalf, if your hardware is that new |
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| 04:02.37 | BrahmsC | leochevarria: IBM Netvista |
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| 04:03.00 | BrahmsC | enouf: it's a p3 based system |
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| 04:03.50 | BrahmsC | i've seen part of the dmesg and it found and configured the cdrom driver |
| 04:04.18 | BrahmsC | but in the install, can't mount cdrom, re-insert the disk and..etcetc |
| 04:04.31 | gigo | how can I tell debian to treat the actual time in the CPU clock as the IST time? currently, it is treating the CPU clock as UTC time. |
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| 04:07.36 | BrahmsC | enouf: i've tried and nothing has changed |
| 04:08.23 | BrahmsC | leochevarria: have you found a solution ? |
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| 04:10.21 | enouf | BrahmsC: i'm not clear on what's the exact problem, i thought you said the cdrom isn't be recognized during installation? |
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| 04:10.32 | enouf | oh ok |
| 04:11.20 | enouf | BrahmsC: wait, so you get to the boot prompt, and do what? then it starts installing? asking you for Language, Keyboard layout, etc .. then when does it fail? |
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| 04:11.47 | BrahmsC | cdrom fails to mount |
| 04:11.52 | BrahmsC | install halts.. |
| 04:12.03 | enouf | BrahmsC: use alt-f4 to see massages |
| 04:12.42 | enouf | BrahmsC: use alt-f2 to try and modporbe correct module, once we know which it wants - you said that's an IBM netvista? not sure i've seen those |
| 04:13.06 | enouf | BrahmsC: is there only one optical drive in the system? |
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| 04:14.08 | BrahmsC | enouf: yes only one optical drive |
| 04:14.16 | BrahmsC | enouf: media error: bad sector |
| 04:14.38 | mimcpher | I LOST THE GAME |
| 04:15.05 | enouf | BrahmsC: ahh .. boot the CD and run "Check disk integrity" or whatever it is |
| 04:15.17 | enouf | BrahmsC: you might have a bad burn there |
| 04:15.31 | neonlightning | enouf, any clue what would be causing gkdebconf to not display a dialog and when it falls back to the console it gives me the screen but when i try and press anything it just outputs the char instead of moving and i need to crtl+c to get out of it then killall whiptail |
| 04:15.33 | enouf | BrahmsC: did you ever md5sum check the ISO prior to burning? |
| 04:15.47 | BrahmsC | enouf: yes i couldnt get the first burn right so i tried again and apparently worked... |
| 04:15.55 | BrahmsC | enouf: i don |
| 04:16.07 | BrahmsC | enouf: i don't remember what that do, so no :p |
| 04:16.46 | enouf | BrahmsC: heh, md5sum /path/to/debian-ISO |
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| 04:17.10 | enouf | BrahmsC: compare it to the md5sum from where you got the ISO from |
| 04:17.39 | enouf | neonlightning: erm, what's gkdebconf? never used it |
| 04:17.41 | enouf | neonlightning: some form of gtk GUI configurator for debconf? |
| 04:17.46 | neonlightning | yea |
| 04:18.05 | neonlightning | i can't figure out debconf so i was looking into configuring tools |
| 04:18.18 | BrahmsC | enouf: well, right now i am not burning from debian.... |
| 04:18.36 | enouf | BrahmsC: there are plenty of md5 tools for other OSes ;-) |
| 04:18.50 | enouf | neonlightning: hehe, cop out :-P |
| 04:19.13 | neonlightning | enouf, i have spent half of today just trying to figure out how to use debconf lol |
| 04:19.27 | enouf | neonlightning: you might ne missing some curses/ncurses stuff, or your app could be buggy, or your locales are messing with you - i really don't know |
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| 04:19.48 | enouf | neonlightning: dpkg-reconfigure debconf ? |
| 04:19.55 | neonlightning | one sec |
| 04:20.14 | enouf | !tell neonlightning -about grounding |
| 04:21.58 | BrahmsC | enouf: it's worth a look but i don't remember the site i downloaded it...i'll just re-burn this time |
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| 04:22.57 | enouf | BrahmsC: you have to make sure the ISO md5 or sha* sums match |
| 04:23.20 | BrahmsC | enouf: what does that checks for, in a nutshell |
| 04:23.39 | enouf | BrahmsC: so, go grab a new ISO then if you don't remember where you got it from, might be OLD anyway, might not even be official |
| 04:23.42 | enouf | !di |
| 04:23.42 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
| 04:23.57 | enouf | BrahmsC: for Errors ;-) |
| 04:24.25 | BrahmsC | i have 4.0r1 |
| 04:24.33 | enouf | BrahmsC: but, even if they do match, you could still easily incorrectly burn it and have errors from bad media, or other issues |
| 04:24.58 | enouf | BrahmsC: try burning at no more than 32x speed |
| 04:25.07 | BrahmsC | i all do them at 4x |
| 04:25.14 | BrahmsC | i guess i picked a cheap batch |
| 04:25.17 | BrahmsC | or an old one |
| 04:25.25 | enouf | BrahmsC: your optical burning app should also have a "Verification" of burn option |
| 04:25.27 | BrahmsC | tracks are disintegrating |
| 04:25.55 | enouf | BrahmsC: the Installation guide talks about this stuff, maybe you should read that too ;-) |
| 04:26.07 | epsilon | 4x CDR?! |
| 04:29.43 | enouf | readcd -c2scan even |
| 04:30.00 | enouf | readom (as it's known as now) |
| 04:31.07 | BrahmsC | cd-rw |
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| 04:37.55 | sladi | BrahmsC: slowest isn't the best, usually faster is good if the media is made for the speed. choose not the fastest though. |
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| 04:39.30 | pickcoder | BrahmsC: are you trying to burn an install ISO onto RW? |
| 04:39.50 | wd | installing video thumbnail for rox it says to "copy to /usr/local/apps and run it"... run it how? |
| 04:40.01 | wd | ./configure? |
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| 04:40.32 | pickcoder | sladi: I've experienced quite the opposite with crappy CD-Rs |
| 04:40.52 | aravind | hi |
| 04:41.39 | aravind | anyone else have a busted system with the latest sid updates? I get permission denied on /dev/null, wireless drivers missing, agp stuff not working etc. |
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| 04:43.10 | sladi | pickcoder: If the media is crappy and won't support higher speeds it's bad. :) I just read that using higher speeds results in 'more even' burning. It's in the Puppy Linux faq. DVD-RW should be a lot better too. |
| 04:43.46 | sladi | DVD-R |
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| 04:45.06 | pickcoder | crappy meaning the layer is so thin you can see through the disc in partial light |
| 04:45.16 | pickcoder | not crappy as in up-to-32X |
| 04:46.32 | sladi | I guess you need a good media in order to do higher speeds anyway? |
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| 04:46.52 | pickcoder | they can put what they want on the "top speed" rating |
| 04:47.01 | pickcoder | doesn't mean it'll burn at that speed in all burners |
| 04:47.23 | pickcoder | the only guaranteed speed is 1X |
| 04:47.25 | sladi | That's what I meant. ^^ |
| 04:47.26 | BrahmsC | pickcoder: that's right |
| 04:47.52 | sladi | Still on good media you should get better results with higher speeds. |
| 04:48.00 | pickcoder | if you say so |
| 04:48.26 | BrahmsC | i still get an error, i'dd download a newer version |
| 04:48.55 | pickcoder | BrahmsC: I've never had any luck burning an install ISO on CD-RW and have it boot and install Debian properly |
| 04:49.08 | pickcoder | even with a brand new DVD+/-RW |
| 04:49.24 | sladi | really try dvd-rw. I do that all the time. |
| 04:49.32 | BrahmsC | pickorder: i've always done that , cd-rw |
| 04:49.53 | BrahmsC | which cd's do i need ? there's 21 in the list |
| 04:50.27 | epsilon | netinstall |
| 04:50.56 | sladi | maybe even businesscard if your burner acts up. ^^ |
| 04:51.05 | pickcoder | BrahmsC: if you plan on installing a bulk of the packages using apt, then the netinstall is what you want |
| 04:51.27 | pickcoder | s/apt/apt online |
| 04:51.39 | BrahmsC | it's my first debian install in a while so i don't know.. |
| 04:52.00 | BrahmsC | netinstall i guess, i don't need 3 cd's full |
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| 04:52.09 | epsilon | BrahmsC: how fast is your internet connection? |
| 04:52.22 | BrahmsC | fast enough |
| 04:52.28 | epsilon | grab the netinstall |
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| 04:53.55 | epsilon | hm, is there any virtualisation without modifying the host? |
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| 04:54.34 | wd | installing video thumbnail for rox it says to "copy to /usr/local/apps and run it"... run it how? |
| 04:55.00 | gigo | how can I tell debian to treat the actual time in the CPU clock as the IST time? currently, it is treating the CPU clock as UTC time. |
| 04:56.30 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.02 | wd | sladi, video thumbnail isn't present... thumbnails are. |
| 04:57.35 | wd | sladi, i dl'd videothumbnail.tar.gz.. and it says... |
| 04:57.46 | wd | sladi, To install it, copy to your ~/Apps directory (or /usr/local/apps or |
| 04:57.46 | wd | /usr/apps) and run it. Click on install handlers and click on OK. |
| 04:57.46 | wd | You can choose not to install it for some of the types. |
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| 04:58.11 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:58.11 | KDE4000 | where is source for debian package manager, i cant find it... :( |
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| 04:58.41 | epsilon | gigo: if the host is running in UTC, use tzconfig to adjust your local time |
| 04:58.53 | wd | sladi, no zeroinstall.. but i only have a thumbnails and cache. |
| 04:59.03 | wd | sladi, thumbnails for pics |
| 04:59.10 | wd | sladi, no video |
| 04:59.14 | gigo | epsilon: cave:/tmp# tzconfig |
| 04:59.14 | gigo | bash: tzconfig: command not found |
| 04:59.21 | pickcoder | KDE4000: which part of it? dpkg? |
| 04:59.39 | wd | sladi, amazing i'm sitting in #rox and getting no answer... amazing. |
| 04:59.59 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.01 | epsilon | gigo: are you root? |
| 05:00.23 | pmcnabb | after installing lenny (powerpc), i want to install the "bcm43xx-fwcutter" package. i added "contrib" to my sources.list and can even see the package here: http://mirrors.xmission.com/debian/pool/contrib/b/bcm43xx-fwcutter/ But, "apt-get update; apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter" says it can't find the package. Any ideas? |
| 05:00.25 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:00.34 | KDE4000 | pickcoder: yep |
| 05:00.49 | wd | sladi, ROX-Filer 2.2.0 |
| 05:00.52 | gigo | epsilon: yes |
| 05:00.57 | wd | sladi, what's urs? |
| 05:01.44 | wd | sladi, amazing.. totally amazing. |
| 05:02.06 | wd | :) |
| 05:02.28 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:02.37 | wd | k |
| 05:02.45 | pickcoder | KDE4000: apt-get source dpkg (in a /usr/local/src/ destination) |
| 05:03.31 | epsilon | KDE4000: assumed you have deb-src in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:03.43 | wd | sladi, could you tell me when it says to copy to my /usr/local/apps and "run it" what does that mean? |
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| 05:04.29 | wd | sladi, i copie tar to that dir.. then untar'd it .. ok there's a VideoThumbnail dir..run it? |
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| 05:05.08 | wd | sladi, what's the spam chanel? |
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| 05:05.25 | wd | #flood.. |
| 05:05.32 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:05.51 | wd | ok |
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| 05:06.41 | KDE4000 | pickcoder: i dont have debian yet :) |
| 05:06.41 | BrahmsC | ah! |
| 05:06.45 | BrahmsC | bad sector again |
| 05:06.52 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:06.56 | KDE4000 | epsilon: surely there is a website with debians package manager source??? |
| 05:07.08 | KDE4000 | like in .tar.gz? ;) |
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| 05:07.39 | BrahmsC | let's see if i siwtch os |
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| 05:08.16 | wd | sladi, #flood.... see |
| 05:08.18 | wd | sladi, there is a addapp what do i do with it? ./addapp? ./configure? |
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| 05:08.47 | wd | sladi, i meant apprun? |
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| 05:10.36 | sladi | First you need zeroinstall. Then do http://roscidus.com/desktop/AddApp |
| 05:10.56 | wd | k |
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| 05:11.17 | sladi | You should have an icon for it in filer then. Addapp is used by giving it zeroinstall urls (from rox-desktop site). |
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| 05:13.58 | KDE4000 | where can i find a .tar.gz for dpkg? |
| 05:14.00 | reza | I want to set JAVA_HOME variable, where is the best place to set ? |
| 05:14.22 | wd | sladi, i understand.. but for people who don't have that the instructions should work.. see.. http://www.kerofin.demon.co.uk/rox/VideoThumbnail.html |
| 05:14.30 | reza | I want to set all time auto after booting |
| 05:14.44 | wd | sladi, see Installation |
| 05:15.05 | pickcoder | KDE4000: browse one of the many mirrors and download it |
| 05:15.19 | BrahmsC | i never erases/burned an iso with linux, what tools do you use ? |
| 05:15.24 | wd | sladi, what do they mean "To set it up install it to a suitable place, such as ~/Apps, then run it normally" |
| 05:15.36 | wd | sladi, run it normally? |
| 05:16.00 | KDE4000 | pickcoder: i dont want .deb, i want source code. |
| 05:16.11 | wd | sladi, nvm.. i'm removing.. thanks. |
| 05:16.17 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.20 | reza | KDE4000 : which package do you want ? |
| 05:16.22 | wd | ok |
| 05:16.25 | pickcoder | ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/d/dpkg/ |
| 05:16.27 | pickcoder | it's there |
| 05:16.36 | pickcoder | look for the tar.gz |
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| 05:17.03 | reza | I want to set JAVA_HOME variable, where is the best place to set ? |
| 05:17.05 | KDE4000 | dpkg_1.14.20.tar.gz = abosolute latest? |
| 05:17.18 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:17.43 | wd | sladi, ok |
| 05:17.54 | pickcoder | 1.14.20 is in sid |
| 05:18.05 | pickcoder | KDE4000: you can find package and version info @ packages.debian.org |
| 05:18.20 | pickcoder | scroll down to "search package directories" |
| 05:18.40 | pickcoder | 1.14.20 is also in lenny |
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| 05:19.32 | cluser | I need some help with mesa. |
| 05:19.42 | KDE4000 | ok, its latest, thanks |
| 05:19.44 | KDE4000 | ;) |
| 05:19.55 | wd | sladi, yea on my gentoo box.. it's there.. i'm using sarge hd because i have old.. very old laptops with sarge and i experiment with apps on my sarge hd.."desktop" first. |
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| 05:20.49 | BrahmsC | cdrecord dev=b,t,l what is this ? |
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| 05:20.56 | pickcoder | nite peeps |
| 05:21.09 | cluser | I'm using a remote X server called x-win32. Supposedly this one has mesa acceleration support, but glxinfo reports "direct rendering: No" |
| 05:21.16 | wd | sladi, i know ur saying why sarge? because my two laptops.. one mac ppc/nubus "oldworld" 603 risc with 166mhz, 2g hd, 32 meg ram.. :) |
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| 05:21.53 | enry | is there a way to quickly listen on a port to test for incoming connections? |
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| 05:22.12 | wd | sladi, other is toshiba satellite 40mg ram, 75 mhz, 500mg hd..... sarge is sweet on these laps... woody was recommd but i put sarge on it with 2.4.27? kernel.. :) |
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| 05:24.21 | wd | sladi, maybe... i tried to install etch and 2.6 kernel didn't play nice with my 16bit pcmcia orinoco card.. so i'm stuck with 2.4 kernel and etch has apps that crashed with 2.4, well i couldn't get xorg to work. |
| 05:24.53 | wd | sladi, so sarge with backports is doing ok. :) |
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| 05:25.19 | wd | sladi, yea. |
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| 05:26.14 | wd | sladi, ok |
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| 05:26.26 | epsilon | not always... the components in vanilla and components in pre-compiled kernel is changing by version to version |
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| 05:26.50 | epsilon | if the required stuff is gone in a new version, no wonder if it doesn't work |
| 05:27.21 | iateadonut | when i use "7z x ./*.zip", it unzips my files, but, if i right click in gnome and "open with 7z" after "using a custom command" and entering "7z x" as the custom command, it doesn't work. |
| 05:27.37 | PiousMinion | Is there any way I can provide my LUKS encryption key via lilo so I don't have to enter it twice during boot? (1 for root, 1 for swap) |
| 05:27.39 | iateadonut | why is that? should there be some kind of wildcard in from of the "7z x" when i make the custom command? |
| 05:28.05 | cluser | I think I found a solution, I'll need to reboot to test it. |
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| 05:28.18 | iateadonut | (which would be strange, since i don't need that to untar tar.gz files - i just wrote "tar -xf" as the custom command in gnome) |
| 05:28.25 | epsilon | PiousMinion: you have these partition on different device? |
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| 05:28.59 | PiousMinion | epsilon: both are in LVM as /dev/hda2 |
| 05:29.10 | PiousMinion | same physical device |
| 05:30.09 | epsilon | then you should need only once to decrypt the LVM... |
| 05:30.50 | PiousMinion | maybe that is the problem. Should I have encrypted partitions in the LVM, or have the LVM in an encrypted partition? |
| 05:30.52 | wd | sound in my browser isn't working but in vlc it is what gives? |
| 05:31.03 | iateadonut | i found the files in my home directory. |
| 05:31.03 | wd | youtube |
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| 05:32.11 | PiousMinion | wd: which browser? which debian release? We don't have much to go on. |
| 05:32.24 | PiousMinion | epsilon: ^ |
| 05:33.11 | epsilon | PiousMinion: you have device -> partition (for example /dev/hda2) -> dm_crypt (/dev/dm-0) -> LVM (Volume->Group->Volume) -> Filesystem (ext3, swap...) |
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| 05:33.49 | epsilon | if you do it right (or let the netinstaller do it), you only need to decrypt once while loading /dev/dm-0 |
| 05:34.21 | PiousMinion | epsilon: I have - Device -> partition -> LVM -> dm-crypt(s) -> filesystem(s) .... should I do it your way? |
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| 05:34.54 | PiousMinion | Was trying to keep the unencrypted /boot partition in the LVM, but I don't think I can do that now. |
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| 05:35.00 | wd | PiousMinion, you're right sorry.. debian sarge, mozilla-firefox 1.0, |
| 05:35.00 | epsilon | this would work too, but then you have crypted partition in number of filesystems |
| 05:35.28 | wd | PiousMinion, i get sound in vlc.. and aumix works and volume up but not with browser. |
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| 05:36.17 | PiousMinion | wd: well, sarge is a bit ancient. I'd make sure you have alsa-oss and oss-compat installed. idk much other than that. |
| 05:36.19 | epsilon | in my way (which is also default of installer), you only need to decrypt the dm-0 with LVM in it once |
| 05:36.52 | neonlightning | why are all distros moving to pulse its not in a stable state yet it does have loads of potential but one of the reasons i left fedora was because of everything needing pulse and on here even mpd won't install without adding libpulse to the mix |
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| 05:37.30 | wd | PiousMinion, i was wondering what sound config is used in this 2.4 kernel because in my other gentoo box i use alsa. |
| 05:38.03 | wd | PiousMinion, i'll check kernel and see what sound is. |
| 05:38.07 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.30 | wd | sladi, oh ok. |
| 05:38.43 | PiousMinion | wd: cat /boot/config-[kernel version] |
| 05:38.46 | seriouslycgi | can someone help me? i compiled some software on my debian server, but its a peice of crap cos i cant figure out how to install it properly so now its just running and using up resources because i cant find info on how to get it running |
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| 05:39.04 | seriouslycgi | properly |
| 05:39.20 | wd | PiousMinion, ok |
| 05:39.25 | iateadonut | by right-clicking in gnome, 7z seems to set the default directory to your home directory. there is a switch -o{output directory}; what is the wildcard that has the directory of the original file for the output directory? |
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| 05:39.52 | kingsley | seriouslycgi: That's the nice thing about using precompiled binary debian packages. They usually install automatically. |
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| 05:40.12 | seriouslycgi | i compiled rtorrent and lighttpd along side my apache install |
| 05:40.26 | sladi | iateadonut: I'd guess ./ |
| 05:40.27 | seriouslycgi | i have the two httpd's running ok .. wel kinda |
| 05:40.33 | kingsley | seriouslycgi: Perhaps you should check if a precompiled binary package exists for your application. |
| 05:40.36 | iateadonut | rtorrent is the best! why didn't you just apt-get install rtorrent? |
| 05:40.43 | seriouslycgi | i just want to get rid of it now |
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| 05:40.44 | iateadonut | sladi... i'll try |
| 05:41.06 | seriouslycgi | iateadonut, i want to but i comiled per the howto instructions |
| 05:41.34 | kingsley | seriouslycgi: How long have you been using debian? |
| 05:41.37 | seriouslycgi | i followed the how to to the letter but i just shagged the wtorrent install |
| 05:41.37 | PiousMinion | seriouslycgi: From your question... no one has any clue which debian release you are using, which software you are referring to, or if it's even running. You might have well just said "Can you help me with a problem". Try to be a bit more descriptive. |
| 05:41.52 | seriouslycgi | kingsley about 3 years lol |
| 05:42.06 | seriouslycgi | only the third application ive compiled |
| 05:42.26 | tubbybastard | what is the default mta in etch? |
| 05:42.45 | seriouslycgi | sorry PiousMinion i realized what i said im just frustrated |
| 05:42.49 | PiousMinion | tubbybastard: exim4 I believe. |
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| 05:43.16 | PiousMinion | seriouslycgi: I know the feeling. It happens. |
| 05:43.20 | kingsley | seriouslycgi: If you really want to clean up after compiling, perhaps make scripts will reveal where the files to remove are. |
| 05:43.32 | tubbybastard | PiousMinion, I've never used it before how does it compare to sendmail or postfix? |
| 05:43.45 | PiousMinion | smashes his head into his keyboard and gets keys lodged in hit eye sockets. |
| 05:43.46 | seriouslycgi | never mind ill just re-install debian its usually quicker |
| 05:44.07 | iateadonut | doesn't work... the strange thing is that if you run 7z from the command terminal in the directory where the .rar file, etc, then it just unrar's in that directory. so, gnome file viewer just runs all commands from your home directory. |
| 05:44.39 | PiousMinion | tubbybastard: I don't know the details of the mta's, but the other ones you mention should be available in the debian repo. I'd try "apt-cache show exim4 | more" |
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| 05:45.07 | tubbybastard | PiousMinion, thanks very much! |
| 05:45.08 | PingFloyd | iateadonut: try unrar |
| 05:45.32 | iateadonut | 7z works fine. it has 7z-unrar-non-free in it. |
| 05:45.37 | PiousMinion | seriouslycgi: reinstall for a single app? I wouldn't. What software is it causeing probs? |
| 05:45.52 | iateadonut | i have the same issue with tar, actually. |
| 05:46.03 | iateadonut | run from gnome with a right click, it defaults to the home directory. |
| 05:46.03 | PingFloyd | what issue |
| 05:46.34 | XOKADO | stew debhelper //mode #debian +v XOKADO |
| 05:46.34 | XOKADO | :] |
| 05:46.53 | iateadonut | if you right click in gnome's file manager, and input a custom command to open a certain file extension, tar or 7z or unrar will all uncompress into your home directory instead of into the directory where the compressed file resides. |
| 05:47.01 | XOKADO | stew debhelper //mode #debian +v XOKADO |
| 05:47.09 | sladi | iateadonut: I've got the same issue in rox-filer btw. |
| 05:47.29 | iateadonut | are you actively working on it? |
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| 05:47.31 | PingFloyd | iateadonut: dunno, I'm not big on file managers |
| 05:47.55 | iateadonut | i have no problem using a command line, but i'm not the only user of this computer. |
| 05:48.04 | wd | PiousMinion, 0000:00:11.5 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8233/A/8235/8237 AC97 Audio Controller (rev 60) |
| 05:48.12 | wd | PiousMinion, lspci ^^ |
| 05:48.12 | sladi | iateadonut: Coding? No. If you mean OS, I'm on XP now. |
| 05:48.15 | PingFloyd | iateadonut: sounds like it is with nautilus |
| 05:48.21 | wd | PiousMinion, but look #flood |
| 05:48.45 | seriouslycgi | PiousMinion, i installed lighttpd and apache but i cant get certain applications to work so i have stuff running now that i dont want, i cant be bothered looking for files and such, i dont have much patience |
| 05:48.48 | PingFloyd | iateadonut: you might snoop around gconf |
| 05:48.58 | iateadonut | thanks. |
| 05:49.07 | iateadonut | that's the main thing i'm looking for: keywords to google. |
| 05:49.07 | PingFloyd | iateadonut: see if there is some setting for that buried in there somewhere |
| 05:49.16 | seriouslycgi | PiousMinion, im having a bad day |
| 05:50.17 | PiousMinion | seriouslycgi: killall `pidof [program name]` |
| 05:50.42 | seriouslycgi | PiousMinion, its set to start at system boot |
| 05:50.58 | seriouslycgi | never mind im going to re-install |
| 05:51.08 | sladi | iateadonut: In rox-filer there is no setting besides mime-types and run-actions for file types, like you are editing. |
| 05:51.39 | seriouslycgi | i probably mess things up more just easier to have a nice clean install to play with |
| 05:51.49 | F6F | is away: Bin grad weg ....i |
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| 05:52.37 | iateadonut | i'll install rox and see how it goes. |
| 05:54.05 | seriouslycgi | anyone know if there is a webui for rtorrent that runs on apache? |
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| 05:54.37 | iateadonut | rtorrent is not made for apache. |
| 05:54.45 | iateadonut | you're thinking of something else. |
| 05:54.54 | iateadonut | rtorrent is ncurses based |
| 05:55.15 | iateadonut | do you want help installing rtorrent? do you like ncurses? |
| 05:55.30 | seriouslycgi | i need something to run on a headless debian server, mldonkey makes too many mistakes and wont upload torrents |
| 05:55.42 | seriouslycgi | i dont even know what ncurses is? |
| 05:56.12 | iateadonut | you know what x is? ncurses is terminal window text. |
| 05:56.22 | iateadonut | i'll find a picture for you. |
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| 05:57.01 | seriouslycgi | just reading it now iateadonut on wikipedia |
| 05:57.16 | seriouslycgi | i dont know what i need i think im going nuts |
| 05:57.36 | XOKADO | [02:52] <iateadonut> i'll install rox and see how it goes. |
| 05:57.36 | XOKADO | [02:54] <seriouslycgi> anyone know if there is a webui for rtorrent that runs on apache? |
| 05:57.36 | XOKADO | [02:54] ×fT× Entrando: Antaga0 (n=Andre@APuteaux-155-1-54-68.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 05:57.36 | XOKADO | [02:54] ×fT× Quits: Antaga0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 05:57.36 | XOKADO | [02:54] <iateadonut> rtorrent is not made for apache. |
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| 05:57.58 | XOKADO | [02:52] <iateadonut> i'll install rox and see how it goes. |
| 05:58.00 | XOKADO | [02:54] <seriouslycgi> anyone know if there is a webui for rtorrent that runs on apache? |
| 05:58.02 | XOKADO | [02:54] ×fT× Entrando: Antaga0 (n=Andre@APuteaux-155-1-54-68.w86-217.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 05:58.04 | XOKADO | [02:54] ×fT× Quits: Antaga0 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 05:58.06 | XOKADO | [02:54] <iateadonut> rtorrent is not made for apache. |
| 05:58.08 | XOKADO | [02:54] <iateadonut> you're thinking of something else. |
| 05:58.10 | XOKADO | [02:54] <iateadonut> rtorrent is ncurses based |
| 05:58.12 | XOKADO | [02:55] <iateadonut> do you want help installing rtorrent? do you like ncurses? |
| 05:58.14 | XOKADO | [02:55] <seriouslycgi> i need something to run on a headless debian server, mldonkey makes too many mistakes and wont upload torrents |
| 05:58.17 | XOKADO | [02:55] <seriouslycgi> i dont even know what ncurses is? |
| 05:58.19 | XOKADO | [02:56] <iateadonut> you know what x is? ncurses is terminal window text. |
| 05:58.21 | XOKADO | [02:56] <iateadonut> i'll find a picture for you. |
| 05:58.23 | XOKADO | :) |
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| 05:58.46 | seriouslycgi | i think i should get off the computer |
| 05:58.56 | iateadonut | http://gift.sourceforge.net/software/guis.mhtml - that has a picture of an ncurses ui |
| 05:58.59 | seriouslycgi | before i have a mental breakdown |
| 05:59.17 | seriouslycgi | thanks iateadonut |
| 06:02.30 | iateadonut | when you wake up tomorrow, you might give rtorrent another chance if you don't need to access it from the web. |
| 06:03.11 | seriouslycgi | iateadonut, i access the debian server via ssh |
| 06:03.33 | seriouslycgi | i have mldonkey running but tried torrents this week and it seems to not want to upload anything |
| 06:03.50 | iateadonut | www.torrentflux.com - that's the one that runs off apache. |
| 06:03.53 | iateadonut | it's php |
| 06:04.45 | iateadonut | i think you should be able to run rtorrent well through ssh. |
| 06:05.11 | iateadonut | anyway, you sound tired. what time is it where you are? |
| 06:05.26 | seriouslycgi | is torrentflux just a ui or is it afull application? |
| 06:05.32 | PiousMinion | hmmmmm, can a preinstalled XP be booted from a LVM? lol |
| 06:05.34 | seriouslycgi | 6pm |
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| 06:05.47 | iateadonut | oh. did you eat? |
| 06:06.04 | seriouslycgi | i dont remember lol |
| 06:06.19 | seriouslycgi | but your right about being tired |
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| 06:08.59 | iateadonut | i forget. i'm pretty sure it's just an ui; i forget what is the dependency it runs. |
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| 06:10.19 | iateadonut | rox runs decompression in the user's home directory as well. |
| 06:11.15 | seriouslycgi | looking into torrentflux now cheers iateadonut |
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| 06:14.22 | iateadonut | i use rtorrent. it's the best one i've used since i used to use utorrent through wine. |
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| 06:14.41 | iateadonut | it's best on resources and should be best through ssh. |
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| 06:23.31 | iateadonut | if i've got this command: |
| 06:23.31 | iateadonut | 7z x -o"`dirname $@`" "$@" |
| 06:23.49 | iateadonut | the problem is the dirname contains spaces. how do i put quotes around it? |
| 06:25.07 | seriouslycgi | dir\ ect\ tory |
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| 06:26.38 | ganes | i installed linux-image & linux-ubuntu-modules in my customised filesystem , why the live cd is not booting if i select the option boot=casper |
| 06:28.37 | sladi | iateadonu: no idea. I meant I have the same problem |
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| 06:31.12 | sladi | maybe I gave up early ^^ |
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| 06:34.25 | FarmCretin | hey, does anyone know dd well enough to hexedit? |
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| 06:34.35 | lxsameer | hi , can any one tell me the algorithm of daemon ? i mean when we use somedaemond start , what happend? |
| 06:34.41 | andriijas | is it possible to get to know the speed with rsync? |
| 06:34.56 | iateadonut | is there an addslashes command for shell like there is for php? |
| 06:35.12 | iateadonut | also, is there a chat room to discuss bash scripting? |
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| 06:36.18 | Jarvis | hello, what's the most minimal install I can get? |
| 06:36.27 | Jarvis | of debian, of course |
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| 06:45.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean like #bash? |
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| 06:46.09 | dondelelcaro | ^Jarvis: uh... fairly minimal. |
| 06:46.18 | dondelelcaro | andriijas: yes. |
| 06:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 06:46.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | eve |
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| 06:46.41 | ^Jarvis | what? |
| 06:47.25 | dondelelcaro | ^Jarvis: you asked how minimal; the answer is fairly minimal. |
| 06:47.50 | ^Jarvis | dondelelcaro: how minimal in MB |
| 06:48.10 | dondelelcaro | ^Jarvis: you can easily get to 150M, smaller with a bit of work. |
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| 06:48.38 | dondelelcaro | if you need an order of magnitude smaller, then you want an embedded OS. |
| 06:48.40 | ^Jarvis | what's the official site of debian? debian.org? |
| 06:48.45 | dondelelcaro | ^Jarvis: yes. |
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| 06:49.22 | ^shark_ | hi i am running debian etch and my xp pc sees the etch machine on the network as "samba 3.0.24(Jerrry)" i need to set it to "SharedDocs on Jerry" |
| 06:50.06 | dondelelcaro | ^shark_: so edit /etc/samba/smb.conf appropriately. |
| 06:50.33 | ^shark_ | dondelelcaro: ok |
| 06:51.49 | iateadonut | how do i make rox-filer my default directory opener? |
| 06:53.06 | sladi | depends on your desktop I guess. I open it manually. |
| 06:54.07 | sladi | i donÄt use gnome, kde, xfce though |
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| 06:55.12 | ^Jarvis | do you think it's better (although not easier) to install debian and all the packages I need, than installing ubuntu? |
| 06:56.49 | ^Jarvis | I am trying to transfer from windows, but I don't like ubuntu's bloatedness |
| 06:56.57 | iateadonut | sladi, what do you use, fluxbox? |
| 06:57.12 | sladi | iateadonut: wmii :) |
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| 07:16.07 | superlinux | hi all |
| 07:16.20 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:18.43 | Sazpaimon_ | so like, my server has been unavailable for the last couple of hours |
| 07:18.52 | Sazpaimon_ | i log into serial console and see this: http://pastebin.org/52670 |
| 07:19.05 | Sazpaimon_ | what is going on here and what can i do to stop it |
| 07:20.06 | superlinux | Sazpaimon_ i am gonna look and see |
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| 07:24.27 | xingu | Sazpaimon_: out of memory, looks like a forcedeth memory leak |
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| 07:24.36 | xingu | Sazpaimon_: suggest you send that trace to the forcedeth maintainer. |
| 07:24.55 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, forcedeth? never heard of it |
| 07:25.22 | superlinux | you know thats a good malacious code! :) |
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| 07:26.25 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, from google, i guess forcedeth is my drive controller? |
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| 07:27.30 | xingu | Sazpaimon_: actually it's your NIC from the looks of the call trace |
| 07:28.01 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, this has happened on multiple kernels too, going back to 2.6.18 |
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| 07:28.32 | xingu | Sazpaimon_: no kidding, forcedeth's history is not pleasant. |
| 07:28.35 | cahoot | failing ram? |
| 07:28.50 | xingu | cahoot: no, quite simple failing 0-order allocations |
| 07:29.08 | Sazpaimon_ | hm, so is there anything to stop this, or do i need to reboot |
| 07:29.23 | Sazpaimon_ | something tells me this won't run its course any time soon |
| 07:30.17 | xingu | Sazpaimon_: something tells me that you have a memory leak in forcedeth - the best you might be able to do is rmmod it, if it's not your primary network interface controller; and even then no guarantees that it'll free on unload; best strategy is log the trace and reboot asap. |
| 07:30.45 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, im assuming it is my primary one |
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| 07:31.08 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, i don't see why my dedi company would include two network adapaters in my server |
| 07:31.33 | xingu | diversity. :) |
| 07:32.13 | Sazpaimon_ | yeah it looks like NFORCE-MCP51 is eth0 |
| 07:33.32 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, can you please direct me to the package maintainer for forcedeth |
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| 07:37.35 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, according to dmesg the version of forcedeth I'm using is 0.61, but according to nvidia's website, the latest is 1.23 |
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| 07:38.00 | superlinux | so which is right? |
| 07:38.09 | superlinux | guys i am learning from you |
| 07:38.21 | anddam | hell |
| 07:38.22 | anddam | hello |
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| 07:39.06 | superlinux | and.. anddam |
| 07:39.11 | superlinux | LOL!! |
| 07:39.21 | superlinux | hi |
| 07:39.41 | xingu | Sazpaimon_: seems to be netdev@vger.kernel.org |
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| 07:40.36 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, you get what i said earlier about my forcedeth version being behind? |
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| 07:41.01 | xingu | Sazpaimon_: I wouldn't let that worry you |
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| 07:41.26 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, so you dont think updating the driver will fix my issue? |
| 07:41.43 | xingu | I think that nvidia uses a different version numbering system for exactly the same source |
| 07:41.51 | Sazpaimon_ | k |
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| 07:42.08 | Sazpaimon_ | in that case, i'm goint to send that entire pastebin thing to that address |
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| 07:46.03 | superlinux | Sazpaimon_ as if you r throwing their rubbish at their door! from paste-(bin) |
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| 07:49.18 | xingu | (actually a solid call trace can be worth its weight in gold) |
| 07:50.04 | xingu | it's quite telling that oom-killer hasn't stepped in on your system == in all probability, your pageable has been nicked by something other than userland |
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| 07:53.17 | Sazpaimon_ | xingu, so here's what I'm gonna say: "Hi, on my 2.6.24-1-amd64 Debian box, I seem to be getting a leak related to forcedeth, leaving my machine unavailable until I reboot it. As my output from my serial console shows, oom-killer isn't taking effect, and as such there's nothing that can be done." |
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| 07:57.26 | xingu | !cookie Sazpaimon_ |
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| 07:57.28 | dpkg | spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... ... |
| 07:57.34 | xingu | hmm |
| 07:57.38 | xingu | vanishes |
| 07:57.38 | samplr | In debootstrap, are "I:" lines for info, and are "W:" lines warnings? |
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| 08:13.27 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
| 08:13.29 | deever | because hb_gui doen't work as described in a linux-ha book |
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| 08:21.45 | trampolin | anyone can tell me what's the official site for growisfs? |
| 08:21.49 | trampolin | must be in the man |
| 08:22.03 | DawnLight | can't you google it? |
| 08:22.56 | trampolin | lol I can see many sites, not sure what's the official |
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| 08:24.58 | DawnLight | stupid flashplugin-nonfree is memory-leaking |
| 08:25.30 | trampolin | Macromedia's version also |
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| 08:26.01 | DawnLight | it _is_ macromedia's version |
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| 08:30.25 | trampolin | I hate flash as a whole anyways |
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| 08:30.50 | trampolin | people like to build annoyingly heavy flash based pages |
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| 08:31.16 | cydork | Flash is a PITA |
| 08:31.19 | trampolin | like why on Earth to use flash for a simple button ???? |
| 08:31.58 | DawnLight | i don't have a problem with animations in web pages. i don't like memory leaks |
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| 08:32.57 | superlinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.01 | trampolin | or like when you open one of those myspace profiles that consume 70% your processor with 500 flash adds vids, slideshows, games, and other crap, and take 2 mins to load the whole crap?! |
| 08:33.51 | trampolin | superlinux: anything that uses a serial port :p |
| 08:35.40 | trampolin | superlinux: A friend of mine has Saitek X52 on his Debian |
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| 08:45.57 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
| 08:46.01 | deever | because hb_gui doen't work as described in a linux-ha book |
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| 08:48.51 | superlinux | that looks really professional.. i am looking for somthing in the range of 20 to 30$AUD |
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| 08:50.59 | sladi | superlinux: Gravis MK VI was great before I gave it away |
| 08:51.24 | sladi | superlinux: Gravis Analog Pro |
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| 09:01.49 | superlinux | slackd00d thanks |
| 09:02.07 | superlinux | i wanna see if i can get it on ebay |
| 09:02.25 | superlinux | the saiteck i found it on ebay AU |
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| 09:05.43 | superlinux | i need something i can buy in AU |
| 09:05.51 | superlinux | it;s hard to find |
| 09:06.15 | kladizkov | does anyone felt that their dvd burner burns the image very very slow at 0.5x? |
| 09:06.34 | kladizkov | even if I give 12x, growisofs writes at 0.5x speed... |
| 09:06.40 | superlinux | na! never! |
| 09:07.09 | superlinux | i have a samsung or LG burner i think |
| 09:07.28 | kladizkov | does it write well? |
| 09:07.41 | kladizkov | mine is samsung too... |
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| 09:08.06 | superlinux | yea no problems till now.. though i dont like use the writing often |
| 09:08.27 | superlinux | i depend on hardisks |
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| 09:09.03 | kladizkov | harddisk? how? |
| 09:09.32 | kladizkov | a drive is also connected along with writer.. |
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| 09:10.53 | superlinux | i mean i backup my stuff on hardisks.. |
| 09:11.11 | superlinux | less dependant on DVD's |
| 09:11.22 | superlinux | unless it's really serious |
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| 09:12.42 | superlinux | kladizkov get an external USB adapter |
| 09:13.09 | superlinux | and it will make the Laptop hard disk run on USB |
| 09:13.33 | kladizkov | but i need to find the reason why its so... |
| 09:13.45 | superlinux | so slow? |
| 09:13.45 | kladizkov | months back it used to write it well.. |
| 09:13.49 | superlinux | i cant tell |
| 09:13.49 | kladizkov | 0.5x |
| 09:13.55 | kladizkov | its damn slow |
| 09:13.56 | superlinux | AHHH! |
| 09:13.59 | superlinux | the DMA |
| 09:14.06 | kladizkov | oh |
| 09:14.13 | superlinux | u have to set the DMA on |
| 09:14.19 | superlinux | and the IDE on 32 bit |
| 09:14.22 | superlinux | not 16 |
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| 09:14.37 | kladizkov | dma can be the one... |
| 09:14.39 | superlinux | do u know the hdpram? |
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| 09:14.44 | kladizkov | yea... |
| 09:14.54 | superlinux | ok |
| 09:14.58 | kladizkov | i didn't suspect dma... |
| 09:15.07 | superlinux | u should |
| 09:15.19 | kladizkov | and desktop slows up too... |
| 09:15.26 | kladizkov | so no dma.. |
| 09:15.28 | kladizkov | :) |
| 09:15.39 | superlinux | i noticed a difference when i eneabled it on windows 98 defragmentation speed |
| 09:15.40 | kladizkov | thnx superlinux |
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| 09:15.49 | superlinux | welcom |
| 09:16.09 | superlinux | kladizkov K3B should have warned you |
| 09:16.33 | kladizkov | i'm a gnome guy...and use growisofs for writing.. |
| 09:16.42 | kladizkov | am outdated..:) |
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| 09:19.59 | superlinux | well gnome or kde i dont care.. i care for the better software |
| 09:20.06 | superlinux | that does the job |
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| 09:21.34 | Ace2016 | I think there is a problem with the installer |
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| 09:22.45 | DawnLight | how do i make what's called a hash for a password? |
| 09:22.57 | DawnLight | an MD5 hash? |
| 09:23.14 | kladizkov | there are onine md5 tools available |
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| 09:23.34 | Ace2016 | why would you put the password online where anyone can get at it |
| 09:23.47 | Ace2016 | those systems are used to grab people's passwords and generate rainbow tables from them |
| 09:24.21 | kladizkov | hehe |
| 09:24.35 | kladizkov | does md5sum be used? |
| 09:24.41 | kladizkov | can* |
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| 09:30.55 | perfector | i cant play files of ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2 format. kindly help. the player im using is vlc |
| 09:31.07 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
| 09:31.07 | emdete | hi, i use a macbookpro with debian and have some trouble latly. when i booted today the xsession won't start - cause was a crw-rw---- permission for /dev/null. udev is installed and the rule says 0666... whats going on here? someone else a similar problem? |
| 09:31.08 | deever | because hb_gui doen't work as described in a linux-ha book |
| 09:31.11 | superlinux | kladizkov did u check the writing using a cdRW? or DVDRW? |
| 09:31.23 | Ace2016 | i made my partitions in the wrong order and sda2 and sda1 are the worng way aroud, how do i tell fdisk or something like that to redo the partition table and give them the corrent partition numbers, so that 1 and 2 swap places? |
| 09:31.29 | kladizkov | dvd |
| 09:31.47 | superlinux | i meant did u test it with DMA? |
| 09:31.48 | kladizkov | dvd-r |
| 09:31.54 | kladizkov | no |
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| 09:32.27 | superlinux | try using an DVDRW cos u can reformat it |
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| 09:32.37 | superlinux | and test it many times |
| 09:33.29 | emdete | Ace2016: you have probably to recreate the partition table with the same values but opposite order... there is a command line tool for stuff like taht |
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| 09:33.58 | DTC` | http://dtc.labrute.com |
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| 09:34.16 | streuner__ | stew: still +o? |
| 09:35.03 | Subdino | hi. runing sid on x686, I upgraded yesterday (haven't done so for about 2 weeks) and the box stops booting with latest 2.6.25-2-686 at "waiting for root filesystem". On a 2.6.25-1-686 it boots, but "pauses" for about 40 seconds before displaying intel microcode startup (I disabled what was just before it in startup sequencem and it did not help) |
| 09:35.08 | Ace2016 | don't bother clicking on that link |
| 09:35.26 | emdete | Subdino: i have that too and used the .bak initfs |
| 09:35.30 | Subdino | and /dev/null is 660 instead of 666 (udev does not seem to complain) |
| 09:35.44 | emdete | Subdino: thats the same here too |
| 09:35.48 | Subdino | emdete: gaah... I just regenerated it |
| 09:36.06 | Subdino | I probably trashed the bak |
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| 09:36.25 | emdete | that's the way i came in into my system again :/ mine did not startup after 'wait for rootfs' |
| 09:36.55 | emdete | shit - do you have another (older) kernel? and: it didn't solve my permission prob in /dev |
| 09:36.56 | Subdino | I hope the regeneration will have been enough |
| 09:37.09 | Subdino | but for the udev problem, I don't even know where to look at |
| 09:37.16 | perfector | i cant play files of "ISO Media, MPEG v4 system, version 2" format. kindly help. the player im using is vlc |
| 09:37.16 | Subdino | udev conf file states 666 |
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| 09:37.59 | emdete | Subdino: maybe its a serios udev bug when... yes, when what... |
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| 09:38.43 | simon1 | is away: I'm busy |
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| 09:42.12 | emdete | Subdino: did you file a bug? |
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| 09:42.56 | emdete | Subdino: i also downgraded udev but htat did not help. do you have an idea which other package could be involved? |
| 09:43.32 | Subdino | emdete: I did not file a bug, because I don't know what to put in :) |
| 09:43.54 | Subdino | "did work. doesn't any longer. please fix now" :p |
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| 09:44.14 | emdete | initscript and some sysvinit packages where updated also |
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| 09:46.01 | Subdino | yeah, I just re-dist-upgraded and read the initscripts changelog... does not sound related |
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| 09:46.44 | emdete | and udev did not. so probably ist in the init scripts? can you check the versions you have installed? mine are 2.86.ds1-60 |
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| 09:47.33 | emdete | i downgraded & will reboot... hope i come in here again... ;) |
| 09:47.57 | Subdino | :) |
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| 09:55.00 | lbt | anyone know how I make my debian use gcc4 instead of gcc3.3 by default? |
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| 09:55.17 | lbt | it doesn't appear to be alternatives |
| 09:55.37 | lbt | "There is only 1 program which provides cc" |
| 09:56.20 | liable | if you upgrade to 4 it will use it |
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| 09:57.01 | lbt | gcc<tab> gives: |
| 09:57.03 | lbt | gcc gcc-3.3 gcc-4.2 gccbug gccbug-3.3 gccmakedep |
| 09:57.14 | lbt | so clearly 3.3 and 4.2 are there |
| 09:57.28 | liable | odd, have you changed the symlink at some stage? |
| 09:57.36 | lbt | I doubt it... |
| 09:57.52 | liable | try 'export CC="/usr/bin/gcc-4.2"' |
| 09:58.03 | lbt | ls says /usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-3.3 |
| 09:58.06 | liable | or you can change the link, or just call it directly |
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| 09:58.33 | lbt | mm - well, actually I want it for a kernel compile :) setting CC isn't a good idea there :) |
| 09:58.53 | liable | everyone says the proper way is the other way, have never heard consensus on the right way to do it |
| 09:58.55 | lbt | I was just seeing if there was a "Debian way" that I'd missed |
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| 09:59.21 | liable | why isnt setting CC a good idea for a kernel? |
| 09:59.53 | lbt | it has a complex build system - I don't trust that I'd set it all correctly... |
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| 10:01.12 | Ace2016 | anyone here use jfs? |
| 10:01.28 | liable | !anyone use jfs? |
| 10:01.29 | dpkg | No, no one uses jfs, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:01.55 | Ace2016 | !anyone use qpwoeiriqadsad |
| 10:01.55 | dpkg | No, no one uses qpwoeiriqadsad, not even the people who use it. |
| 10:01.59 | Ace2016 | ok good |
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| 10:03.05 | liable | Ace2016: asking if anyone uses something is a terrible way to try and get help. just state your issue and if someone knows, they'll try and help |
| 10:03.35 | Ace2016 | ok |
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| 10:03.48 | Ace2016 | well is there any reason why anyone would use jfs over xfs? |
| 10:04.25 | Ace2016 | what about reiser4? |
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| 10:07.17 | superlinux | Ace why dont u look on google or wikipidia for a chart comparing filesystems |
| 10:07.19 | superlinux | ?? |
| 10:07.33 | superlinux | Ace2016 |
| 10:07.36 | Ace2016 | i did, but xfs and jfs are so close together i can't decide |
| 10:07.59 | Ace2016 | but reiser4 is fast but i don't see it in the installer so i guess its not an option |
| 10:08.21 | superlinux | ah |
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| 10:08.36 | superlinux | well if did u see the size difference? |
| 10:08.52 | Ace2016 | size difference? |
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| 10:11.09 | superlinux | yea |
| 10:11.28 | superlinux | JFS max partition size is 32Pbyte |
| 10:11.34 | Ace2016 | i want to know which fs handles the files better, does say xfs or jfs think more about the placement of files on the disk that avoids fragmentation better than the other |
| 10:11.42 | Ace2016 | i think i'll be under that |
| 10:11.47 | superlinux | ah ! ok... |
| 10:12.41 | Trewas | reiser4 is not included in official (linus) kernels, and I doubt if anyone will be pushing it in the future |
| 10:13.01 | Ace2016 | oh but i read the benchmarks said it was good :( |
| 10:13.21 | superlinux | even Mr. Reiser was jailed as far as i remeber... |
| 10:13.42 | Ace2016 | he can still develop from jail right? |
| 10:13.49 | Corwin | It's a killer filesystem! |
| 10:13.49 | superlinux | i donno |
| 10:13.58 | Ace2016 | they get computers in there right? |
| 10:14.11 | superlinux | Corwin what do u mean? is't that good? |
| 10:15.04 | Corwin | well actually Reiser 3 improved SQL performance from 12 hours to about 3 or 4 compared to ext3 back 5 or 6 years ago |
| 10:15.17 | Corwin | but I was being more literal in the use of "killer" |
| 10:15.25 | superlinux | wow! thats freaky! |
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| 10:15.52 | Ace2016 | thats not very nice, he wrote a very good file system |
| 10:16.04 | superlinux | that's compaired to extN, of course? |
| 10:16.19 | Ace2016 | xfs is better |
| 10:16.32 | Corwin | It would be awesome if they let Reiser sontinue to program, but I can;t see them letting him have a computer in the federal pen |
| 10:16.36 | emdete | Subdino: did you find out more? my system is unusable now... |
| 10:16.49 | Corwin | I mentioned compared to ext3 |
| 10:16.55 | Subdino | emdete: no, but I did not rebot yet |
| 10:17.14 | Subdino | emdete: what made it unusable ? initscripts downgrade ? |
| 10:17.15 | superlinux | i think he can program on paper and let someone do the rest |
| 10:17.23 | emdete | Subdino: i now have no input at all: mouse & kbd are dead. will try ssh |
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| 10:17.33 | Corwin | jail officials could care less about him benefitting mankind while behind bars |
| 10:17.35 | emdete | Subdino: yes, after downgrade |
| 10:17.47 | Subdino | emdete: scary |
| 10:17.49 | superlinux | and paper programming is much clever |
| 10:18.03 | superlinux | cos u are the computer in that case |
| 10:18.06 | Ace2016 | hardware failure? |
| 10:18.19 | Corwin | He had awhole team of programmers in Russia working on it, it wasn't just him |
| 10:18.56 | emdete | Subdino: problem is, i have this macbook which is everything but supported... the sky2 (ethernet) driver has issues and the kbd is not fully supported so i used a ubuntu kernel which at least did not freeze |
| 10:19.47 | Ace2016 | is it ok to leave the user password blank? |
| 10:20.04 | Subdino | emdete: eh, I see... problem accumulation |
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| 10:20.31 | emdete | Subdino: yes, and i have to work :/ and i dont know which problem belongs to what |
| 10:20.35 | Subdino | emdete: here, this box is a kohjinsha micro laptop, but it's working fine - usualy |
| 10:21.39 | emdete | Subdino: i read a note recently to speedup booting (hibernate does not work very well currently ;) ) so installed some packages mentioned in that post. i don't know if that is related |
| 10:22.06 | Ace2016 | initng? |
| 10:22.42 | emdete | no, dont remember all but insserv was one i think. |
| 10:23.00 | emdete | initng completly replaces sysvinit, right? |
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| 10:26.51 | emdete | someone any idea on how to boot into a mac? :/ |
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| 10:27.33 | PiousMinion | ubuntu has a "hardware info" type item under then 'system' gnome menu. Any idea how I can get this in lenny? |
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| 10:28.33 | Subdino | emdete: where does it boot up to ? |
| 10:28.45 | Subdino | emdete: and what bootloader do you use ? |
| 10:29.09 | emdete | X11 with not kbd/mouse (ctrl-alt-f1 doesn not even work) or single boot with no kbd. grub |
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| 10:29.35 | Zesturian | Not really a debian question, but I'll shoot anyway, does anyone know a link to where I can check up on the various internet backbone statuses? |
| 10:29.52 | emdete | another anoying thing is the 45sec boot penalty by apple when installing linux-only :/ |
| 10:30.05 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 10:30.40 | Subdino | emdete: and no ssh possible when x11 is runing ? |
| 10:30.46 | emdete | no :/ |
| 10:30.50 | emdete | no ip, no ping |
| 10:31.06 | emdete | does not even touch the router, no arp |
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| 10:31.19 | Subdino | emdete: for the kbd problem, I would boot singleuser after searching for some magic kernel parameter to use basic keyboard, if possible |
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| 10:31.50 | emdete | "basic kbd" what's that? hm,.. sounds promising |
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| 10:32.23 | Subdino | emdete: on my ibook (ppc based) the keyboard is connected as usb, so I guess it's the same in macbooks. then maybe the kernel can stick to "legacy emulation", where it acts like a ps/2 |
| 10:33.01 | Subdino | if the keyboard works in grub, I think it would be a good starting point |
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| 10:33.09 | emdete | yes, it does |
| 10:33.57 | Subdino | and lets hope apple firmware does not force keyboard to switch to "real" usb mode before passing control to the os |
| 10:34.50 | Jabka | is there a template deb package to copy files ? i build an empty package and use find . -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -not -name debian -print0 | \ |
| 10:34.50 | Jabka | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:35.01 | Jabka | but im sure there is a better way |
| 10:35.13 | Sazpaimon_ | how do i find out what type of motherboard i have (brand, model, etc), without physically seeing the machine |
| 10:35.32 | Jabka | Sazpaimon_: read dmesg output |
| 10:35.46 | Sazpaimon_ | that's what i figured, but what am I looking for |
| 10:35.57 | Sazpaimon_ | all dmesg tells me is that I have an nvidia board |
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| 10:36.04 | Jabka | Sazpaimon: the lines around the bios info |
| 10:36.23 | Subdino | Sazpaimon_: dmidecode |
| 10:36.26 | Corwin | lshw, lshal |
| 10:36.31 | emdete | Subdino: do u have a hint on which kernel param to set in grub? don't find any |
| 10:37.33 | abrotman | update-pciids |
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| 10:40.02 | Waxhea1 | Is there a list somewhere of what wireless NIC's (PCI or USB) that debian (etch) supports out of the box? |
| 10:40.46 | abrotman | Waxhea1: mostly 11b |
| 10:40.49 | Subdino | emdete: maybe "nousb" |
| 10:41.42 | Jabka | !realtek |
| 10:41.42 | dpkg | realtek is probably a piece of crap chipset that fortunately is a lot better if you use the 8139too driver in 2.2.18 and 2.4.0 instead of rtl8139. a chip that has a pretty high server load while transmitting data. very cheap and common as an embedded ethernet controller, or http://freebsd.active-venture.com/FreeBSD-srctree/newsrc/pci/if_rl.c.html, or ask me about <rtl-wifi> |
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| 10:42.42 | Subdino | emdete: there is a file in kernel-2.6.25's Documentation/i386 folder which talks about USB legacy support |
| 10:42.53 | Subdino | emdete: but it does not mention any kernel parameter |
| 10:43.04 | Corwin | I love my 500mw Alfa USB - rtl8187 wireless device |
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| 10:43.29 | Corwin | the patched aircrack drivers work better then the stock debian ones though |
| 10:43.39 | mordy | hello all again |
| 10:43.45 | DawnLight | hi abrotman |
| 10:43.49 | DawnLight | hi mordy |
| 10:43.59 | abrotman | hi |
| 10:43.59 | mordy | hello DawnLight |
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| 10:44.15 | Waxhea1 | K, thanks folks! I think I will just go for a realtek pci adapter then ;) |
| 10:44.43 | enouf | ugh |
| 10:45.52 | mordy | did anyone try the usb installer (*not* netinstall)? i've been attempting to use it, but it won't find the iso |
| 10:46.18 | DawnLight | i want to run a local repository for my preinstalled debian project. it is for automatic installation on multiple hardware via a local server. what's the tool to make these repositories? reprepro? note that it will be not only the debian repository, but also backports and d-m so any comments on that? |
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| 10:47.35 | DawnLight | mordy: is that really necessary? most computers still can't boot usb properly |
| 10:47.49 | Corwin | Any computer made in the last 5 years boots just fine off of a usb stick |
| 10:48.12 | Corwin | I use freedos on USB whenever I do a bios update on a board |
| 10:48.36 | mordy | DawnLight - it *boots* fine from the USB - and the installer runs fine - but then it searches for an iso image and complains that it can't find it. i've tried mounting the USB stick manually (and it mounts successfuly) but it still won't find it |
| 10:49.13 | PiousMinion | Anyone know how to force "network manager" to appear in the gnome panel? I guess it's not seeing my wifi card and I hate to keep changing essids via commandline. |
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| 10:50.45 | Corwin | I personally write scripts to change the essid, my opinion is the gui utils for wifi suck |
| 10:50.50 | abrotman | mordy: if not netinst .. what? |
| 10:51.06 | abrotman | Corwin: you can set that in interfaces file |
| 10:51.27 | mordy | abrotman - i've actually tried netinstall - only to find out that it can't find my ethernet adapter. |
| 10:51.43 | Corwin | and change mac address too? I doubt it |
| 10:51.46 | abrotman | PiousMinion: did you install network-manager-gnome ? |
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| 10:52.03 | PiousMinion | abrotman: aye |
| 10:52.04 | abrotman | you left out the change mac part .. |
| 10:52.06 | liable | mordy: what ethernet card do you have? |
| 10:52.26 | abrotman | PiousMinion: in my gnome .. i can add a network monitor applet .. and can configure the wifi from there |
| 10:52.41 | abrotman | PiousMinion: and that's not network-manager |
| 10:52.53 | mordy | liable - i don't know - let me check - it should be standard though - it's a new laptop |
| 10:53.11 | PiousMinion | abrotman: right, but I want the pretty network manager dropdown list of essids. |
| 10:53.44 | abrotman | PiousMinion: the gnome thingie has a dropdown .. but anyways |
| 10:54.03 | abrotman | PiousMinion: there's no applet with the n-m-g package ? |
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| 10:54.33 | PiousMinion | abrotman: no, it runs as some kind of daemon. has an entry in /etc/init.d too |
| 10:54.36 | abrotman | PiousMinion: do you have the systray on ? |
| 10:54.41 | abrotman | in gnome |
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| 10:54.51 | PiousMinion | abrotman: of course |
| 10:54.59 | abrotman | that's where it's supposed to go |
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| 10:57.05 | PiousMinion | I know, yet it refuses. |
| 10:57.16 | PiousMinion | nm-tool reports NetworkManager isn't running, yet running it fails without error. |
| 10:57.25 | Corwin | I hate noatun with a passion, but If I try to apt-get remove it, apt wants to remove all of kde |
| 10:57.26 | PiousMinion | this is a fresh install mind you |
| 10:58.01 | Zharf | PiousMinion, umm |
| 10:58.09 | mordy | hmm... just generic realtek rtl8012e |
| 10:58.23 | PiousMinion | Zharf: ? |
| 10:58.36 | Zharf | network-manager-gnome? |
| 10:58.54 | Zharf | that one has a drop down list of SSIDs |
| 10:59.04 | abrotman | we got that |
| 10:59.15 | Zharf | aha |
| 10:59.46 | Zharf | it's just not appearing? |
| 10:59.50 | abrotman | PiousMinion: you're saying the gnome-applet fails without reason ? |
| 11:00.32 | PiousMinion | not an applet, but yes |
| 11:00.46 | PiousMinion | I type "sudo NetworkManager" no error, then "nm-tool" and it reports that NetworkManager isn't running. |
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| 11:01.54 | abrotman | it's not running ? |
| 11:01.58 | Zharf | PiousMinion, that's not really how you run networkdamager :) |
| 11:02.02 | Zharf | it should run with dbus |
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| 11:02.33 | PiousMinion | Zharf: I know, and ans ps aux| grep Net reveals that, but nm-tool reports just the same. |
| 11:02.40 | Zharf | PiousMinion, /etc/init.d/network-manager restart ? |
| 11:02.56 | Zharf | PiousMinion, if the dbus isn't registering network damager then nm-tool can't talk with it |
| 11:03.35 | mordy | why is zcat printing out all this gibberish on my screen? |
| 11:03.38 | PiousMinion | Zharf: I just did a reboot so that shouldn't be it, but I told it to restart the service anyway. same deal |
| 11:04.09 | cydork | ls |
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| 11:04.27 | pippijn | hi all |
| 11:04.29 | cydork | hmm i need to wake up.. |
| 11:04.44 | mordy | doh. syntax |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'wl.ko' returned no results. |
| 11:05.09 | Zharf | PiousMinion, I can only guess that it's not registering with dbus properly |
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| 11:05.42 | PiousMinion | Zharf: any idea why that would be on a fresh lenny install? |
| 11:06.12 | Zharf | no... |
| 11:06.31 | pippijn | does anyone here have experience with 2.6.25 and the nvidia driver? |
| 11:06.38 | abrotman | is dbus running ? or installed ? |
| 11:06.53 | emdete | PiousMinion: you can check with d-feet, a dbus debugger |
| 11:06.54 | pippijn | starting X as user gives me an undefined symbol error, starting as root seems to work fine |
| 11:06.57 | Zharf | it should be installed as it's a dependency :) |
| 11:07.00 | Corwin | pippijn: TGhat;s what I have currently |
| 11:07.13 | abrotman | Zharf: there have been a lot of rumors of it being not installed or not running |
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| 11:07.23 | emdete | pippijn: works fine here, whats the problem? |
| 11:07.27 | pippijn | also, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg stops configuring after the keyboard |
| 11:07.28 | Corwin | NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-177.13-pkg2.run compiled fine on 2/6/25 |
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| 11:07.35 | Corwin | oppen 2.6.25 |
| 11:07.35 | PiousMinion | abrotman: looking into that now. would think it would be a dependency |
| 11:07.38 | pippijn | Corwin: where did you get that? |
| 11:07.41 | Subdino | emdete: I could boot from the broken initrd ! |
| 11:07.42 | abrotman | PiousMinion: you'd hope |
| 11:07.53 | emdete | pippijn: let nvivia settings do the conf... |
| 11:07.55 | Corwin | wow, I have no clue where any key is on my keyboard. |
| 11:07.56 | pippijn | I am using 173.something |
| 11:07.59 | abrotman | using nvidia's .run installer on debian is a bad idea |
| 11:08.02 | emdete | Subdino: how? |
| 11:08.03 | Corwin | The Nvidia site under beta drivers |
| 11:08.04 | Subdino | emdete: the "waiting for root filesystem" has a timeout which spawns an initrd shell |
| 11:08.12 | igli | hi is there a more knoppix-specific channel? having issue with mouse pointer no longer appearing, and the irc client only has this channel |
| 11:08.14 | pippijn | emdete: nvidia-settings says it needs a control display |
| 11:08.18 | Subdino | emdete: and it turns out that it just did not load ata modules |
| 11:08.31 | pippijn | Corwin: that doesn't work for me.. it says it needs javascript |
| 11:08.32 | emdete | Subdino: yes, same here but no kbd |
| 11:08.33 | abrotman | igli: uh .. #knoppix |
| 11:08.37 | pippijn | Corwin: which I don't have on the console |
| 11:08.39 | Zharf | abrotman, mmh, I haven't used stable or testing in years and network-damager on sid has worked fine for me a couple of year snow :) |
| 11:08.42 | Corwin | abrotman: I agree, but it's the only thing that works |
| 11:08.43 | Subdino | emdete: loaded ata modules, created devnodes, ^D and boot continued |
| 11:08.45 | igli | heh thanks abrotman |
| 11:08.47 | emdete | pippijn: shure, start under X |
| 11:08.47 | abrotman | Corwin: not true |
| 11:08.51 | Subdino | emdete: but I still have the /dev/null problem |
| 11:09.01 | pippijn | emdete: wasn't I having problems with starting X? |
| 11:09.03 | emdete | Subdino: what a crap |
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| 11:09.06 | abrotman | Zharf: so is dbus running ? |
| 11:09.26 | Corwin | what's really a peice is that envy script, I've tried it numerous times and it's never worked |
| 11:09.26 | Zharf | abrotman, mine is but is PiousMinions :) |
| 11:09.29 | emdete | pippijn: i dont know ;) does X start with no xorg.conf at all? |
| 11:09.32 | PiousMinion | abrotman, Zharf: dbus is installed and running. |
| 11:09.34 | pippijn | hmm |
| 11:09.44 | pippijn | no screens found |
| 11:09.45 | abrotman | Zharf: sorry .. it's early :) |
| 11:09.59 | Corwin | I disagree with you abrotman |
| 11:10.01 | Zharf | abrotman, happens to everyone :) |
| 11:10.02 | pippijn | emdete: it keeps saying: dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//vesa_drv.so: undefined symbol: vbeFree |
| 11:10.06 | abrotman | Corwin: that's fine .. you're still wrong |
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| 11:10.42 | Zharf | oh yeah |
| 11:10.46 | Corwin | I'm running compiz on an Nvidia card :p |
| 11:10.47 | Zharf | I just remembered something |
| 11:10.50 | emdete | pippijn: oups.. that's strange |
| 11:10.55 | macros73 | If I want to run the latest Squid from packages and not compile anything, which version of Debian should I go with? Lenny, Sid, Etch? |
| 11:10.58 | Corwin | sure beats the nv driver |
| 11:11.06 | abrotman | who mentioned nv ? |
| 11:11.35 | Corwin | well it's that or the run package from Nvidia if you want X to work |
| 11:11.37 | emdete | Subdino: ...checking boot cd... |
| 11:11.41 | abrotman | Corwin: not true |
| 11:11.47 | abrotman | PiousMinion: have you changed your password lately ? |
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| 11:11.55 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
| 11:11.58 | Zharf | PiousMinion, is your user in group netdev or haldaemon |
| 11:12.11 | abrotman | PiousMinion: is dbus-x11 installed ? |
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| 11:12.27 | pippijn | emdete: google didn't really give me any hints |
| 11:12.35 | Zharf | you must be in netdev or haldaemon to talk to the network damager through dbus |
| 11:12.39 | PiousMinion | dbus-x11 is installed, my user is not part of netdev or haldaemon.... yet |
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| 11:12.57 | Zharf | I think netdev is the one to be in |
| 11:13.05 | Zharf | but I couldn't find that on manpages :o |
| 11:13.20 | Zharf | the dbus conf allows only root, haldaemon or netdev groups to talk to the network daemon |
| 11:13.45 | emdete | pippijn: is a xorg package missing? hm, xserver-xorg-video-vesa contains that. write a minimal xorg.conf, that triggers "nvidia" driver... |
| 11:13.52 | pippijn | o.o |
| 11:13.53 | PiousMinion | ok, added user to both and now nm-tool no longer fails. I've yet to see a network manager icon in the tray though |
| 11:14.00 | emdete | pippijn: you know how? |
| 11:14.01 | Zharf | PiousMinion, you must relogin |
| 11:14.04 | pippijn | yes |
| 11:14.26 | Subdino | emdete: gah, initrd's /conf/module only contains "unix"... no wonder why nothing loads |
| 11:14.28 | hullap | hey, i got a question. for a 'normal' user with a little knowledge of linux, which will be better debian stable or debian lenny? |
| 11:14.33 | DawnLight | how do i run a bash script in kind of line-by-line mode where it shows me each line before it executes it? |
| 11:14.33 | PiousMinion | Zharf: hooray :) |
| 11:14.38 | pippijn | emdete: dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: PanoramiXTranslateVisualID |
| 11:14.40 | Zharf | PiousMinion, works? |
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| 11:14.44 | abrotman | hullap: try stable .. if you don't like it .. go to lenny |
| 11:14.51 | abrotman | s/stable/etch/ |
| 11:15.10 | hullap | abrotman: which of them will have newer packages? |
| 11:15.11 | abrotman | hullap: lenny has newer stuff .. but some things may not work well, or at all |
| 11:15.14 | hullap | oh |
| 11:15.15 | hullap | ok |
| 11:15.29 | PiousMinion | Zharf, abrotman: lenny installer didn't add me to haldaemon or netdev. adding me solved problem. :) |
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| 11:15.43 | emdete | pippijn: did you install nvidia-glx? |
| 11:15.45 | abrotman | hullap: do you have any hardware that might use special drivers like nvidia ? |
| 11:15.58 | hullap | abrotman: yes, a nvidia card |
| 11:16.04 | abrotman | which one ? |
| 11:16.06 | Zharf | PiousMinion, I don't think any version installer adds any user to those groups |
| 11:16.10 | pippijn | emdete: let me check.. I certainly have in the past few hours, trying to get it to work |
| 11:16.14 | pippijn | but I might have deinstalled it again |
| 11:16.23 | Zharf | PiousMinion, it should say that on some manual page or readme but I couldn't find it |
| 11:16.25 | abrotman | i think 8xxx and up aren't supported in etch .. |
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| 11:16.31 | pippijn | oh |
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| 11:16.33 | pippijn | emdete: no |
| 11:16.37 | emdete | pippijn: do you have the kernel module also? |
| 11:16.39 | PiousMinion | Zharf: well, either the installer or a script in the package should have. The average user isn't going to know to do this. |
| 11:16.41 | pippijn | emdete: it depends on nvidia-kernel-173.... |
| 11:16.47 | pippijn | emdete: I installed the driver from the nvidia installer |
| 11:16.48 | Zharf | PiousMinion, indeed |
| 11:16.52 | PiousMinion | abrotman: not sure which fixed it, I added both. |
| 11:16.57 | ^shark_ | i have http://pastebin.ca/1076538 & i dont see this folder in the \\jerry on windows machines |
| 11:17.00 | Zharf | PiousMinion, I think it should prompt which users should be added to the group |
| 11:17.01 | abrotman | PiousMinion: yay!! |
| 11:17.09 | emdete | pippijn: nvidia installer? whats that? |
| 11:17.09 | ^shark_ | i am using samba for this |
| 11:17.14 | PiousMinion | Zharf: I agree. |
| 11:17.18 | pippijn | emdete: the one from the nvidia website |
| 11:17.20 | Corwin | Nvidia is propritary, you have to install the run package from the Nvidia site to make it work |
| 11:17.33 | emdete | pippijn: do u have a debian system? :D |
| 11:17.37 | pippijn | emdete: yes |
| 11:17.42 | pippijn | I am installing nvidia-source now |
| 11:17.46 | abrotman | ^shark_: can you see the samba share from the linux box (with smbclient) |
| 11:17.47 | pippijn | (I tried this before) |
| 11:17.51 | emdete | pippijn: than go with the deb packages ;) |
| 11:17.52 | pippijn | but hey, let's just try again |
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| 11:17.54 | abrotman | Corwin: NO YOU DO NOT |
| 11:17.57 | pippijn | emdete: there is no nvidia-kernel package |
| 11:17.58 | abrotman | Corwin: stop lying |
| 11:18.19 | pippijn | module-assistent.. |
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| 11:18.20 | emdete | pippijn: yes. use module-assistant to create the right kernel package |
| 11:18.28 | Subdino | emdete: aha. initramfs-tools changelog tells that it "drop ide.agent" in udevhelper hook, changelog entry from jul, 07 |
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| 11:18.36 | pippijn | building |
| 11:18.44 | emdete | Subdino: :/ |
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| 11:18.47 | Corwin | I'm speaking from 5 years of experience using debian with Nvidia cards |
| 11:18.49 | pippijn | emdete: the kernel module isn't the problem, though.. |
| 11:18.59 | Subdino | any initramfs-tool maintainer around, per chance ? |
| 11:19.05 | emdete | pippijn: it is a needed step ;) |
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| 11:19.07 | abrotman | Corwin: you're still lying .. so please stop |
| 11:19.07 | pippijn | emdete: it's the X driver |
| 11:19.08 | pippijn | yeah |
| 11:19.09 | pippijn | okay |
| 11:19.11 | pippijn | installed |
| 11:19.35 | emdete | pippijn: fine. now the nvidia-glx. and probably nvidia-settings |
| 11:19.39 | Corwin | It sucks that Nvidia is propritary, but there really is not much choice in video cards |
| 11:19.48 | pippijn | installing nvidia-glx, nvidia-xconfig and -settings |
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| 11:20.18 | abrotman | plenty of choice |
| 11:20.18 | emdete | Corwin: right, the xrandr support of the closed crap is... |
| 11:20.18 | hullap | abrotman: im not a type of guy that will use the one on nvidia's site |
| 11:20.24 | abrotman | hullap: it only depends on your card |
| 11:20.29 | pippijn | emdete: and now use "nv"? |
| 11:20.36 | emdete | Corwin: and the open driver has anoying performanve |
| 11:20.48 | emdete | pippijn: no, nvidia. nv is theopen driver |
| 11:20.52 | pippijn | oh |
| 11:20.52 | pippijn | okay |
| 11:20.54 | emdete | pippijn: both work |
| 11:21.03 | hullap | abrotman: my card isnt new, it was supported my nvidia-glx in my ubuntu days |
| 11:21.09 | hullap | i now use fedora |
| 11:21.09 | Corwin | nv can't run compiz either |
| 11:21.15 | pippijn | everything installed |
| 11:21.19 | pippijn | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers//nvidia_drv.so: undefined symbol: PanoramiXTranslateVisualID |
| 11:21.21 | hullap | nV is for only 2d akaif |
| 11:21.25 | PiousMinion | I've used all sorts of nvidia cards with debian and compiz. I've NEVER had to get anything from the nvidia site. |
| 11:21.26 | hullap | afaik* |
| 11:21.32 | abrotman | hullap: like i said .. i believe the nvidia drivers in etch don't support 8xxx and up |
| 11:21.54 | abrotman | and i don't mean 'nv' .. i mean 'nvidia' |
| 11:21.57 | hullap | abrotman: its 7100 here, so no problem |
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| 11:22.02 | abrotman | should be fine |
| 11:22.06 | emdete | pippijn: now i'm lost - my nvidia system does not boot at the moment :/ |
| 11:22.10 | abrotman | !tell hullap about nvidia one-liner |
| 11:22.12 | Corwin | my 8400 works great |
| 11:22.13 | pippijn | :/ |
| 11:22.23 | abrotman | hullap: that'll work for etch .. the lenny nvidia is a bit more tricky .. |
| 11:22.26 | emdete | pippijn: sorry... |
| 11:22.30 | pippijn | okay |
| 11:22.30 | hullap | ok |
| 11:22.32 | pippijn | thanks for trying |
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| 11:22.43 | hullap | but wouldnt lenny be better? |
| 11:23.01 | abrotman | hullap: in some respects yes.. others no .. ask PiousMinion how long he's been fighting with network-manager :) |
| 11:23.11 | emdete | pippijn: you can go with the foss driver "nv" anyway... |
| 11:23.16 | hullap | ok |
| 11:23.20 | pippijn | emdete: no I can't |
| 11:23.25 | abrotman | hullap: the software is newer .. but it's not as well tested |
| 11:23.26 | pippijn | emdete: it gives me undefined symbols, as well |
| 11:23.26 | emdete | pippijn: ? |
| 11:23.38 | pippijn | emdete: but only as user |
| 11:23.38 | Corwin | I don;t get the whole toy story of the month club. The names are Experminental, Unstable, and Testing |
| 11:23.42 | pippijn | emdete: as root, even nvidia boots |
| 11:23.49 | abrotman | hullap: if you're fairly new to debian(and linux in general) .. i'd go with etch |
| 11:24.00 | abrotman | guesses Corwin is just here to troll |
| 11:24.14 | Corwin | not at all |
| 11:24.16 | emdete | pippijn: oups... do u use unstable? did you apt-get update latly? |
| 11:24.26 | pippijn | emdete: I used testing until an hour ago |
| 11:24.33 | pippijn | emdete: then, when nothing would work, I tried unstable |
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| 11:24.38 | pippijn | emdete: but now, nothing works, either |
| 11:24.50 | hullap | abrotman: i dont think ill use many softwares. only irssi, dillo, elinks nad pidgin |
| 11:24.51 | emdete | ...and run in Subdino and my problem probably |
| 11:24.53 | hullap | and* |
| 11:25.22 | abrotman | hullap: you should be fine with etch then .. (though the "pidgin" in etch is actually 'gaim') |
| 11:25.29 | hullap | lol |
| 11:25.35 | abrotman | hullap: though it's like gaim2.0+99999rc1314 or something |
| 11:25.49 | hullap | gaim is the older name for pidgin afaik |
| 11:25.53 | abrotman | right |
| 11:26.24 | emdete | Subdino: any news? why doesnt it help to rollback to an old version - or: why does that make thinks worse? |
| 11:26.35 | hullap | here on slitaz i have pidgin 2.4.3 |
| 11:26.53 | hullap | gaim's UI is too outdated :-| |
| 11:27.06 | abrotman | the one in etch has the same as pidgin |
| 11:27.14 | hullap | ok |
| 11:27.22 | abrotman | it's gaim2.0+999rc1423 or whatever .. which is basically right before the rename |
| 11:27.26 | abrotman | rename from gaim to pidgin |
| 11:27.36 | Subdino | emdete: I think udev and initrd problems are separate. for now I'm looking into initrd problem |
| 11:27.36 | hullap | ok |
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| 11:27.44 | abrotman | !info gaim etch |
| 11:28.20 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10 (etch), Packaged size: 1639 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 11:31.10 | mordy | is there a way to trick the debian installer into thinking it's booting from a CD rom? |
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| 11:33.27 | Posterdati | hi |
| 11:33.29 | Posterdati | please |
| 11:33.41 | abrotman | please? |
| 11:33.46 | Zharf | :> |
| 11:33.58 | Posterdati | how can I create with kernel sources the kernel binary and initrd images??? Tx |
| 11:34.08 | abrotman | hullap: after a while .. you'll get used to linux and debian .. and then moving to lenny won't seem like such a poor idea |
| 11:34.15 | hullap | abrotman: ok |
| 11:34.16 | abrotman | !tell Posterdati about kp |
| 11:34.17 | Posterdati | debian way I mean |
| 11:34.46 | Subdino | emdete: if you want to try, maybe you can downgrade initramfs-tool to pre-07 july version and rebuild the initrd |
| 11:34.50 | Posterdati | abrotman: I'm compiling with make bzImage |
| 11:34.51 | abrotman | hullap: not that's a *poor* idea .. but if you're new to linux, things may not be as smooth as you'd expect |
| 11:34.58 | abrotman | !tell Posterdati about kp |
| 11:34.59 | Subdino | emdete: for now I'm reading its scripts to find the actual problem |
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| 11:35.31 | hullap | abrotman: im not 'new', using linux since about a year, but i have very less knowledge about it |
| 11:35.46 | emdete | Subdino: let me know... i would like to know where my kbd is... |
| 11:35.53 | hullap | but maybe i year would be new :| |
| 11:35.58 | hullap | 1* |
| 11:36.13 | abrotman | hullap: well, up to you then ... etch is more stable obviously ... but has older software .. let us know which you'd like to install, and we'll point you in the right direction |
| 11:36.13 | Posterdati | abrotman: ok, tx |
| 11:36.36 | Posterdati | abrotman: I'm compiling a kernel for ts7200 cirrus ep9302 pc104 mini board |
| 11:36.45 | abrotman | hullap: there is also backports.org which helps put some newer software on etch |
| 11:36.48 | abrotman | Posterdati: and? |
| 11:36.52 | Subdino | emdete: no result with "nousb" ? |
| 11:36.58 | Posterdati | abrotman: I installed debian 4.0 on it (compact flash card) |
| 11:37.01 | emdete | Subdino: not at all... :/ |
| 11:37.05 | hullap | abrotman: cool, and thanks for helping me |
| 11:37.12 | Posterdati | abrotman: but I got problem using 2.6 binary kernel |
| 11:37.16 | Subdino | emdete: maybe you should try to ask on ##kernel |
| 11:37.27 | Posterdati | abrotman: they won't load and execute in Redboot |
| 11:37.43 | Posterdati | abrotman: nor has an ide driver compiled in it for cf boot |
| 11:37.49 | emdete | Subdino: if i would know why it stopped working... |
| 11:38.36 | Posterdati | abrotman: so I forced to recompile a kernel from scratch, but I got a lot of errors during compilation, I finally dist-upgrade and things seem to work (it's compiling) |
| 11:38.54 | Posterdati | abrotman: It's compiling fs/* stuffs |
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| 11:39.51 | abrotman | hullap: for example while etch has a 2.0beta5 of 'gaim' .. backports.org has 2.3 pidgin |
| 11:39.54 | abrotman | Posterdati: no idea |
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| 11:40.24 | abrotman | or maybe it wasn't a question ;) |
| 11:40.24 | Posterdati | abrotman: time ago I recompiled kernel on a pc with debian, but I didn't recall how to do a binary kernel package with initrd in it |
| 11:40.38 | abrotman | Posterdati: right .. read the kernel-package docs |
| 11:40.42 | Posterdati | abrotman: sure |
| 11:41.05 | Posterdati | abrotman: it was simple :) |
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| 11:41.29 | hullap | abrotman: ok |
| 11:43.04 | Subdino | emdete: if mkinitramfs does not put the right module ini initrd - or forgets to load it - it would be a correct explanation to me |
| 11:43.16 | Subdino | emdete: can you still try to boot from the old initrd ? |
| 11:43.25 | pippijn | emdete: would a reinstall be a good idea? |
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| 11:43.45 | mordy | how do i force an unmount? how do i tell what's blocking it from being unmounted? |
| 11:44.07 | Zharf | mordy, lsof might give you a hint what's blocking it |
| 11:44.10 | abrotman | fuser or lsof |
| 11:44.31 | emdete | Subdino: i checked all. all 3 kernels and the .bak if avail. |
| 11:44.33 | mordy | zharf - it shows nothing |
| 11:44.49 | Zharf | mordy, nothing? |
| 11:44.50 | nkuttler | mordy: lazy umount |
| 11:44.52 | Zharf | it shows more as root :) |
| 11:45.05 | mordy | i'm doing it as root |
| 11:45.13 | mordy | what's a lazy unmount? pull out the disk? |
| 11:45.17 | abrotman | mordy: something is using it |
| 11:45.19 | nkuttler | mordy: rtfm |
| 11:45.19 | emdete | pippijn: don't use current unstable, there is something with the init-scripts... but installing testing should work |
| 11:45.36 | pippijn | ok |
| 11:45.39 | pippijn | :-( |
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| 11:45.40 | mordy | abrotman - "fuser /dev/sda1"? |
| 11:45.44 | pippijn | I have never had to reinstall debian before |
| 11:45.46 | abrotman | mordy: where is it mounted ? |
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| 11:45.53 | mordy | abrotman - /mnt |
| 11:46.02 | abrotman | mordy: lsof | grep mnt |
| 11:46.19 | mordy | the probem is that mount -l shows that both /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 are mounted to the same point |
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| 11:47.01 | emdete | pippijn: same to me |
| 11:47.16 | mordy | abrotman - it shows only its own process (lsof) and bash using it - maybe i'll try to kill those |
| 11:47.26 | abrotman | mordy: the bash is the problem |
| 11:47.38 | pippijn | emdete: at least my music player still works (mpd) |
| 11:47.39 | mordy | oh |
| 11:47.48 | pippijn | I would die in this situation without music |
| 11:48.07 | mordy | abrotman - it worked - thanks |
| 11:48.34 | Posterdati | abrotman: I'm going to design a sampling unit for a synchronous generator |
| 11:48.45 | abrotman | boo!!! |
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| 11:51.11 | budda300 | Ciao amici di #debian!!! |
| 11:51.15 | budda300 | (¯`·._(¯`·._.·:*¨`*:·.C.·:*¨`*:·.I.·:*¨`*:·.A.·:*¨`*:·.O.·:*¨`*:·._.·´¯)_.·´¯) |
| 11:51.22 | budda300 | !addon |
| 11:51.38 | abrotman | gosh that's annoying |
| 11:53.03 | mordy | abrotman - the directory "hd-media" is supposed to be the installation medium and not the installation target - right? |
| 11:53.18 | abrotman | on the ftp servers? |
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| 11:53.48 | zamuro | Wow!! That reminds me the time I got into hook-up IRCs... Like DALnet or something. |
| 11:54.18 | mordy | abrotman - i got that idea from the ftp servers. the installer reads /hd-media as my local drive, i.e. the installation target - i'm wondeirng if that's the reason why it's not detecting the iso |
| 11:54.23 | abrotman | !ig |
| 11:54.24 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r3 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 11:54.31 | abrotman | it talks about using the hd-media |
| 11:55.08 | Subdino | emdete: looks like it's an udev problem after all... |
| 11:55.20 | Subdino | emdete: udev daemon is started in initrd, but does nothing |
| 11:55.33 | emdete | Subdino: :/ |
| 11:55.41 | Subdino | emdete: and actually, it even "forgot" to load my network card after I could boot to init 5 |
| 11:55.43 | emdete | so no udev, no usb, no kbd? |
| 11:55.54 | Subdino | th'ats probably right |
| 11:56.01 | emdete | :( |
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| 11:56.32 | emdete | bricked a mac.. wow, that was fast. will have to put it on ebay to get a really notebook |
| 11:56.45 | Subdino | mkinitrd's job seems to put some modules in the initrd, and call hooks when initrd is executed. and udev's hook looks like it should load all modules, but doesn't |
| 11:56.47 | emdete | Subdino: ah, oh, so no net also :/ |
| 11:57.23 | Subdino | emdete: well, I could search for the module by hand and load it... but it would be nice if udev did just work |
| 11:57.45 | mordy | abrotman - that is what i've been following until now - but it just won't find the iso - |
| 11:57.48 | emdete | Subdino: any idea why a rollback did not help? |
| 11:58.05 | emdete | Subdino: any idea why no one else has this problem? |
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| 11:58.29 | emdete | Subdino: have you installed insserv? |
| 11:58.38 | Subdino | emdete: I tend to think that the rooblack should have inclued initramfs-tools, since the changelog mentions something about a ata hook |
| 11:59.14 | Subdino | emdete: maybe they updated their initrd when both udev and mkinitramfs were at "compatibe" versions |
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| 12:00.40 | Subdino | anyone here to try an initrd rebuild with current sid versions of udev and mkinitramfs-tools ? |
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| 12:00.58 | Subdino | (and with a correct fallback solution ;) ) |
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| 12:01.28 | Gotyai | Bonjour àtoutes et àtous. |
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| 12:01.38 | pandrew | hello! the sdcc package is supposed to contain as-z80. correct? |
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| 12:03.00 | Gotyai | donno sorry |
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| 12:03.40 | pandrew | well at least on the mirror i am useing at the moment there are manual pages for as-z80 but no binary! [inside the sdcc package] |
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| 12:06.00 | pandrew | can anybody else check? |
| 12:08.53 | Subdino | emdete: ...and I did not install insserv |
| 12:09.30 | pandrew | it looks like in 2.8.0 as-z80 is missing. in 2.6.0 it is present - i am wondering is this a bug or did sdcc start useing something else? |
| 12:09.52 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
| 12:09.55 | deever | because hb_gui doen't work as described in a linux-ha book |
| 12:11.55 | abrotman | !find as-z80 etch |
| 12:12.37 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'as-z80' (1): (/usr/bin/as-z80) in electronics/sdcc. |
| 12:16.22 | Subdino | emdete: looks like I'm probably wrong on why other people do not experience the problem: udev install triggers an initrd refresh, and latest udev is newer than latest initramfs-tools |
| 12:17.03 | Subdino | emdete: next assumption is that updating from version x of udev to newest causes invalid initrd creation |
| 12:17.46 | emdete | Subdino: hm, i wonder how initramfs decides which initrd to update. mine updates often only one of 3 but not the one for the currently running kernel... |
| 12:18.04 | Subdino | emdete: from udev changelog, /dev/.static is deprecated. Last time I booted, I still had that directory |
| 12:18.27 | Subdino | emdete: and right now, after a "dpkg-reconfigure udev" I don't have it anymore |
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| 12:18.52 | Subdino | emdete: ...and in my apt log, I see that packages I updated yesterday created devices in that .static |
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| 12:20.07 | Subdino | emdete: there is a parameter to that command to tell it which one to update. most probably its caller looks for latest kernel version, maybe in an attemp to avoid trashing older initrd |
| 12:20.56 | Subdino | emdete: it did happen to me to update a kernel, causing regeneration of all initrds with a broken environment (invalid ld_path config iirc) |
| 12:21.12 | Subdino | emdete: in that case it's convenient to keep older initrd untouched :) |
| 12:21.35 | emdete | shure but it should update the current running version, right? hm.... |
| 12:22.30 | Subdino | gah, new initrd does not work any better after the reconfigure |
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| 12:26.59 | Subdino | emdete: aha, /dev/null is 660 in initrd... one more thing telling that udev is broken |
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| 12:27.59 | enouf | Subdino: there's a bug, and a workaround as a fix for udev rules and dmsetup - is that what you refer to? |
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| 12:28.51 | emdete | Subdino: i can rescue boot! heureka! (the debian install cd does not work, used ubuntu for that) |
| 12:29.13 | Subdino | enouf: where ? |
| 12:29.23 | emdete | Subdino: what's you root users umask? |
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| 12:29.39 | emdete | i use 027, so may this...? |
| 12:29.51 | emdete | can you rebuild initrd with umask 022? |
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| 12:30.03 | Subdino | emdete: I don't change default one |
| 12:31.21 | Subdino | (and as I look at /dev from initrd at boot time, it might still have been created by udev) |
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| 12:33.08 | enouf | well, i obviously have no friggin clue how to properly search BTS |
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| 12:37.30 | xand | er, what do I need in order to get my laptop screen to switch off when idle for x minutes? xscreensaver doesn't seem to have a "turn screen off" option under power management... and I'm using fluxbox and lenny |
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| 12:38.05 | Subdino | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=438470 ? |
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| 12:38.58 | enouf | Subdino: bingo .. heh, congrats, i suck |
| 12:39.31 | enouf | Subdino: no wait |
| 12:40.05 | liable | no, yes! |
| 12:40.07 | enouf | Subdino: it's very similar, it is a 660 vs 666 issue, but has to do with /etc/udev/rules.d/NNdmsetup or similar |
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| 12:40.38 | liable | did that bug get reported? |
| 12:40.45 | enouf | Subdino: where, /dev/null, /dev/random, and /dev/zero are all assigned 660 perms, when they need 666 |
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| 12:41.28 | enouf | xand: stop with the screensaver nonsense, enable DPMS |
| 12:41.31 | tymonn | hi there :) |
| 12:41.47 | xand | !dpms |
| 12:41.47 | tymonn | Gets xand dpms <%) |
| 12:41.48 | dpkg | somebody said dpms was know as VESA Power Saving or Energy Star. In X4.0.X add Option "DPMS" "on" to config monitor setting. After that it can be configured by using 'xset dpms <standby-sec> <suspend-sec> <off-sec>' or config file options (ServerFlag section). |
| 12:41.58 | xand | frowns at tymonn |
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| 12:42.14 | xand | enouf: thanks |
| 12:42.38 | enouf | ~$ grep DPMS /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 12:42.39 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:42.39 | enouf | xand: no prob |
| 12:43.20 | enouf | xand: i wonder though, with a laptop, ith acpi, acpi-support* pkgs installed, maybe closing the lid would auto do that? |
| 12:43.27 | enouf | s/ith/with |
| 12:43.52 | xand | it does but then it gets too hot |
| 12:44.15 | enouf | xand: ouch .. |
| 12:44.34 | xand | well... it doesn't overheat but it is hot |
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| 12:46.23 | enouf | xand: using cpufreqd too? and screen is powering off? or not yet, without dpms? |
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| 12:47.27 | xand | I am, and it does when I close the lid |
| 12:47.30 | Subdino | enouf: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
| 12:48.50 | enouf | Subdino: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
| 12:48.55 | enouf | haha .. whoa |
| 12:49.08 | Subdino | :) |
| 12:49.19 | enouf | Results 1 - 1 of 1 from bugs.debian.org for /dev/null /dev/random /dev/zero 660 666. (0.19 seconds) |
| 12:49.24 | Subdino | didn't even know that this package was installed |
| 12:49.25 | enouf | heh |
| 12:49.50 | Subdino | enouf: googled for site:bugs.debian.org udev null 660 |
| 12:50.08 | enouf | how many hits returned? |
| 12:50.20 | emdete | Subdino: do you know a workaround for the "waiting for the rootfs" |
| 12:50.24 | Subdino | emdete: would you have installed dmsetup perchance ? |
| 12:50.27 | enouf | mine was dead on - but it took about 5 revisions to even get that |
| 12:50.47 | emdete | Subdino: res |
| 12:50.53 | emdete | s/res/yes/ |
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| 12:51.36 | emdete | Subdino: is that related? |
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| 12:53.45 | Subdino | emdete: see above mentioned bug report |
| 12:53.50 | Subdino | 491114 |
| 12:54.10 | Subdino | it's responsible for the wrong devnode permissions at least |
| 12:54.32 | Subdino | and I wonder if it wouldn't somewhat break udev startup, causing modules not to load |
| 12:55.02 | emdete | hm... will deinstall that immed |
| 12:55.03 | Subdino | there was a -4 release of udev at midnight fixing hanging GOTOs |
| 12:55.24 | Subdino | I applied the fix from the bug report, and I'll regenerate the initrd |
| 12:56.32 | Subdino | ah, and about umask, it's not the problem (unless its setting is stored in initrd...) because /dev does not exist in the initrd |
| 12:56.48 | Subdino | it's created at boot |
| 12:57.11 | emdete | okay... |
| 12:57.25 | Subdino | yay ! |
| 12:57.30 | Subdino | that fixed the initrd ! |
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| 12:57.48 | yuastnav | Hey guys. |
| 12:57.48 | Subdino | thanks a lot, enouf |
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| 12:58.07 | emdete | Subdino: just removing dmse...? |
| 12:58.13 | enouf | Subdino: np, welcome (no idea .. oh it did help, haha, ok then) |
| 12:58.18 | yuastnav | I get an error while trying to install/compile wlan-drivers and it says that /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.25-2-amd64/scripts/gcc-x86_64-has-stack-protector.sh is missing. And yes, linux-headers are installed. |
| 12:58.22 | jetscreamer | !blame udev |
| 12:58.22 | tymonn | Gets jetscreamer blame udev <%) |
| 12:58.22 | dpkg | blames SportChick and udev for all the evil in the world |
| 12:58.26 | Subdino | I don't think we would have searched for such fix for initrd/udev problem in that package |
| 12:58.44 | Subdino | emdete: actually, applying the fix in dmsetup's udev rules |
| 12:58.53 | Subdino | emdete: so removing it should fix aswell |
| 12:58.55 | jetscreamer | you might need b-e |
| 12:58.58 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 12:58.58 | tymonn | Gets jetscreamer b-e <%) |
| 12:58.58 | dpkg | methinks build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
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| 12:59.13 | jetscreamer | wtf is this tymonn |
| 12:59.14 | enouf | who/what is this tymonn turd? |
| 12:59.33 | abrotman | !hi |
| 12:59.33 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 12:59.33 | tymonn | Gets abrotman hi <%) |
| 12:59.37 | enouf | someone needs to do a botsweep |
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| 12:59.45 | yuastnav | Anyone? |
| 12:59.45 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 12:59.47 | jetscreamer | i knew that was coming |
| 12:59.48 | enouf | !yay abrotman |
| 12:59.58 | abrotman | tymonn: turn off whatever that is .. we've got a bot responding to ! already |
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| 13:00.08 | abrotman | and your code is broken |
| 13:00.11 | jetscreamer | yuastnav: the b-e was for you |
| 13:00.14 | jetscreamer | but i dunno |
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| 13:01.09 | yuastnav | Yeah, I don't get how that should help me. |
| 13:01.20 | yuastnav | He cannot find a file inside the linux-headers |
| 13:01.30 | zo_orki | Does the iwlwifi project also replace the ipw2100/2200 drivers? |
| 13:01.32 | jetscreamer | the .h looked promising |
| 13:01.42 | yuastnav | What .h ? |
| 13:02.20 | jetscreamer | :/ ... |
| 13:02.26 | jetscreamer | nm (.sh) |
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| 13:03.40 | abrotman | yuastnav: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search scripts/gcc-x86_64-has-stack-protector.sh |
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| 13:05.31 | themill | zo_orki: no. It replaces ipw3945 and provides a driver for the 4965 chipset |
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| 13:06.00 | pandrew | abrotman: i'm useing lenny, ant is is lacking as-z80 |
| 13:06.06 | pandrew | s/and/and |
| 13:06.15 | abrotman | !find as-z80 lenny |
| 13:06.20 | extor | What is the smoothest way to choose KDE as your default window manager if you have a regular Etch/gnome install DVD? |
| 13:06.24 | pandrew | !find as-z80 lenny |
| 13:06.31 | Cansusl22 | My partition table is not in disk order (hdb4 right after hdb1 on the disk). Will I have trouble configuring grub? |
| 13:06.44 | abrotman | extor: don't install X.. after the install aptitude install kde xorg kdm |
| 13:06.45 | emdete | Cansusl22: no |
| 13:06.46 | themill | dpkg: tell extor about install kde |
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| 13:07.14 | extor | just those three, kde xorg and kdm |
| 13:07.32 | zo_orki | thmill: Is the ipw2100 part of the kernel too, or do have to install it by hand? |
| 13:07.41 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'as-z80' (1): (/usr/bin/as-z80) in non-free/electronics/sdcc-nf. |
| 13:07.57 | abrotman | pandrew: in non-free |
| 13:08.02 | Cansusl22 | emdete, so grub will know that hd1,3 refers to the second partion on the second disk? |
| 13:08.28 | themill | zo_orki: I believe it's part of the kernel now, but you do need to install a separate firmware package from non-free |
| 13:08.40 | pandrew | abrotman: ah got it, thanks :) |
| 13:09.14 | jetscreamer | you just want to run kwin or you want kde |
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| 13:09.46 | danielvrf | hello to everybody |
| 13:09.47 | ArmEagle | I did something really stupid and need an answer on this asap: does 'mv' remove all files after all files are moved or file by ffile? |
| 13:10.02 | emdete | Cansusl22: why second part? |
| 13:10.18 | emdete | Cansusl22: fourth... |
| 13:10.22 | jetscreamer | but what abrotman said |
| 13:10.45 | abrotman | wha huh ? |
| 13:10.54 | themill | dpkg: confuse abrotman |
| 13:10.54 | dpkg | No, who is my hamster today, abrotman? breeches of the dictatorship of tahiti with extra crabpaste |
| 13:11.00 | jetscreamer | install blh blah |
| 13:11.01 | abrotman | ArmEagle: i'd guess file by file |
| 13:11.03 | zo_orki | themill: how do i get to know, wether i have a 2100 or 3945 chipset? |
| 13:11.11 | abrotman | ArmEagle: should be easy to test |
| 13:11.12 | jetscreamer | yeah i'd guess file by file also |
| 13:11.15 | jetscreamer | but no idea |
| 13:11.26 | jetscreamer | i think he did already test now just needs to see the result |
| 13:11.30 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 13:11.32 | Cansusl22 | emdete, my disk has hdb1 from cylinders 1 to 1250 and hdb4 from 1251 to 2500. |
| 13:11.42 | themill | zo_orki: lspci | grep -i net |
| 13:12.22 | emdete | Cansusl22: grub does the mapping to cyls from part table.... |
| 13:12.28 | Cansusl22 | emdete, so how do I point grub to hdb4? Is it hd1,1 or hd1,3 |
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| 13:12.32 | ArmEagle | hmm, seems to be after all are done.. |
| 13:12.41 | jetscreamer | grub starts from 0 |
| 13:12.50 | emdete | Cansusl22: its probaby hd(1,3) |
| 13:12.52 | jetscreamer | so it's 1,3 |
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| 13:13.10 | emdete | Cansusl22: no matter at what cyls the parts ar |
| 13:13.22 | jetscreamer | you want uuid anyway |
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| 13:13.27 | jetscreamer | !uuid |
| 13:13.28 | dpkg | methinks uuid is a universally unique identifier used to label disk partitions, among other things. To see the currently-known partition UUIDs, do ls -l /dev/disk/by-uuid. To mount or boot by uuid, use "UUID=dead-beef-0420-etc" as the partition name. |
| 13:13.49 | abrotman | 't' isn't a valid letter |
| 13:14.14 | Cansusl22 | emdete, I see. thanks |
| 13:15.09 | jetscreamer | poker time |
| 13:15.30 | abrotman | a bit early ? |
| 13:18.33 | ArmEagle | anyway. that 'mv' thing.. it's not easy to test if your HDs copy faster than you can check (small disks, and fast enough) |
| 13:19.29 | ArmEagle | but it seems like I managed to limit the damage |
| 13:19.44 | abrotman | ArmEagle: you can create 10000 files and try to move them |
| 13:20.13 | zo_orki | if my kernel is already containing a driver like ipw2100, how can i find out which version? |
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| 13:20.32 | LaffeN | whant to check if you have a port open? join #portcheck :D |
| 13:20.35 | ArmEagle | From looking at what was happening when I made the mistake it seems my assumptions are correct. |
| 13:20.39 | abrotman | LaffeN: don't spam |
| 13:20.43 | ArmEagle | thanks though |
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| 13:21.22 | abrotman | !hi |
| 13:21.23 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 13:21.23 | tymonn_ | Gets abrotman hi <%) |
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| 13:21.57 | ix | heh. |
| 13:22.06 | abrotman | wait .. wrong |
| 13:22.19 | liable | was wondering.. |
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| 13:22.44 | abrotman | !hi |
| 13:22.44 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 13:22.44 | tymonn_ | Gets abrotman hi <%) |
| 13:22.50 | liable | oh |
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| 13:25.34 | mordy | i'm getting "inapproptiate ioctl for device" when i try to mount a drive - what does it mean? |
| 13:25.42 | mordy | this is busybox, btw |
| 13:26.14 | liable | heh, i get that when i try to mount the wrong things too! |
| 13:26.42 | liable | oops, thats open fodder for abrotman .. que the sheep jokes! |
| 13:26.50 | mordy | gah, now i'm getting a 'busy' |
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| 13:27.07 | liable | usually its 'headache' |
| 13:27.09 | mordy | "device or resource busy" |
| 13:27.12 | mordy | lol liable |
| 13:27.41 | mordy | i'm fuguring that what i need done is doable - but i don't know how - i'm trying to copy the iso from my usb to the target hd manually |
| 13:27.49 | mordy | does busybox have partitionign tools? |
| 13:27.50 | mardi | hi |
| 13:28.12 | mardi | debian rocks |
| 13:28.16 | liable | mordy: fdisk iirc, if you type just busybox, it shows available commands |
| 13:28.18 | Cansusl22 | jetscreamer, I dont have I uuid for hdb4 in /dev/disk/by-uuid |
| 13:28.38 | abrotman | liable: queue |
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| 13:29.15 | mordy | no fdisk on this busy box |
| 13:30.39 | liable | abrotman: boring |
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| 13:30.49 | abrotman | liable: sorry .. getting ready to go for the day |
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| 13:32.32 | abrotman | liable: it's always wrong when the sheep objects! |
| 13:32.34 | abrotman | liable: better? |
| 13:32.43 | liable | much |
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| 13:33.34 | jetscreamer | damn i didn't win a million dollars |
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| 13:34.14 | liable | jetscreamer: i have an uncle that needs a bank account to tranfer a lazy 5 mill to. |
| 13:34.25 | jetscreamer | you need to mount the usb stick i would imagine |
| 13:34.37 | mordy | me? |
| 13:34.43 | jetscreamer | liable: i think your uncle from nigeria has already emailed me!!! |
| 13:34.46 | bkw | Doesn't it work to apt-get install apache2-mpm-worker when php5 packages are installed? When I try that the following packages want to get removed "apache2-mpm-prefork libapache2-mod-php5 php5" |
| 13:35.07 | jetscreamer | or was your uncle the indian guy |
| 13:35.11 | abrotman | bkw: the php5-apache2 requires -prefork |
| 13:35.13 | abrotman | i think |
| 13:35.17 | mordy | no, mounting the usb works just fine - the local disk itself |
| 13:35.29 | mordy | if only gparted had some kind of partition tool |
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| 13:35.35 | abrotman | bkw: it's -prefork or -itk in lenny |
| 13:35.37 | mordy | maybe i need a live distribution |
| 13:35.46 | jetscreamer | gparted IS a partition tool |
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| 13:36.23 | jetscreamer | well a front end to parted |
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| 13:36.44 | bkw | abrotman: Do you know why it requires prefork? I know there has been issues with php5 signal functions and the other mpms. |
| 13:37.02 | abrotman | bkw: that's all it works iwth? the others are unstable ? |
| 13:38.17 | bkw | abrotman: unstable? hm, I don't think so. Worker has been around for a while and is available in etch |
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| 13:38.41 | abrotman | bkw: not in conjunction with php5 |
| 13:38.58 | jetscreamer | i think he meant flaky, not 'in sid' |
| 13:39.05 | abrotman | bkw: also consider that etch was released over a year ago .. |
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| 13:39.49 | jetscreamer | bah nan ahh |
| 13:40.02 | CharminTheMoose | I just dist-upgraded on testing. |
| 13:40.19 | bkw | abrotman: Do findout if the two softwares cooperate, do I need to fetch/compile apache2 and php5 from source? |
| 13:41.04 | abrotman | bkw: you could try .. but i've really heard that it's fairly unstable |
| 13:41.48 | CharminTheMoose | http://www.pastebin.ca/1076617 is what happens when I dist-upgrade as root |
| 13:42.32 | CharminTheMoose | how can I fix this problem with libuuid? |
| 13:42.36 | jetscreamer | ls -l /etc/adduser.conf ? |
| 13:42.37 | bkw | abrotman: do you know any sites that talks about this? I thought that it was more or less stable today. But I may wrong as it looks from what you say |
| 13:42.54 | abrotman | bkw: that's nice .. etch was released over a year ago |
| 13:43.00 | CharminTheMoose | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6451228 2008-03-15 11:32 /etc/adduser.conf jetscreamer |
| 13:43.09 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: lsattr /etc/adduser.conf |
| 13:43.27 | CharminTheMoose | ------------------ /etc/adduser.conf |
| 13:43.36 | bkw | abrotman: yep, but I thought about compiling both the latest versions of the softwares |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | up to you |
| 13:43.42 | abrotman | goes |
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| 13:44.08 | jetscreamer | wonders what etc/adjtime does |
| 13:44.23 | liable | adjtime's of course! |
| 13:44.31 | CharminTheMoose | heh |
| 13:44.32 | jetscreamer | thogught so! |
| 13:44.46 | CharminTheMoose | how informative. |
| 13:45.09 | jetscreamer | adjtime isn't able to adjtime afaict ... but i'm making big guess |
| 13:45.29 | jetscreamer | checks for more games |
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| 13:47.37 | DawnLight | i'm getting "opetation not permitted" when trying to symlink between mounts. is that a no-no? |
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| 13:49.20 | jetscreamer | if it's already mounted somewhere you might need the --bind directive but i'm not up on it |
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| 13:50.28 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 13:50.40 | jetscreamer | and yeah iirc there's a thing about across fs's |
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| 13:53.31 | danilom | hi all |
| 13:54.05 | jetscreamer | /msg all |
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| 13:54.20 | mordy | !all |
| 13:54.20 | dpkg | All: no such nick/channel. Just ask your question, please - ask me about <ask>. a brand of laundry detergent in the United States, and it's not expected that this will answer, either. |
| 13:54.40 | danilom | uhh |
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| 13:55.01 | jetscreamer | all rocks |
| 13:55.07 | all | lol |
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| 13:55.17 | danilom | is possible to use one ldpap directory to auth squid and postfix? the same users |
| 13:55.51 | jetscreamer | runs away from the ldap question |
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| 13:56.42 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about ldap, one would think so |
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| 13:56.58 | danilom | ok |
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| 13:57.26 | jetscreamer | i feel guilty about naming the one guy i know who knows ldap |
| 13:57.30 | mordy | can someone think with me here? i'm having problems installing debian via usb |
| 13:57.46 | liable | mordy: etch or lenny installer? |
| 13:57.55 | mordy | the installer loads, but doesn't find an iso - which is on the same disk |
| 13:58.01 | mordy | liable - etch - would lenny be better? |
| 13:58.01 | liable | mordy: and does the kernel in each support your ethernet? |
| 13:58.03 | jetscreamer | mordy: are you using the installer's 'iso on usb stick' option or however it's named? |
| 13:58.32 | liable | mordy: google whether 2.6.18 supports your card first |
| 13:58.34 | jetscreamer | lenny would be better imo(if it's not a server) |
| 13:58.48 | liable | its a laptop, so agreed |
| 13:58.51 | jetscreamer | but ymmv and liable is god |
| 13:59.07 | liable | jetscreamer: kneel before me! |
| 13:59.25 | jetscreamer | puts knife behind back... 'OK' |
| 13:59.29 | liable | but i'm not sure if your worthy |
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| 13:59.43 | mordy | liable - i'm not planning on doing a netinst though |
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| 13:59.56 | liable | mordy: mm, and? |
| 14:00.01 | mordy | the installer kernel doesn't detect my ethernet - although it's standard realtek |
| 14:00.35 | mordy | liable - according to the debian instllation manual, it's supposed to search for an ISO image on the disk and load installation files from there - but it can't find the iso |
| 14:00.37 | liable | mordy: it shows in the installer in lspci? your sure its enabled in bios? |
| 14:00.59 | mordy | liable - the installer loads - it's not a bios problem in that case |
| 14:01.10 | liable | mordy: yeah, it usually does, just put the iso in the partition |
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| 14:01.32 | liable | mordy: i have only used the usb installer once i think, and it found the iso |
| 14:01.52 | liable | mordy: make sure you follow the install guide to the tee |
| 14:02.08 | jetscreamer | you got windows on that box? if so you might try goodbye-windows.com ... put the .iso on the windows part. |
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| 14:02.50 | mordy | liable - i tried that |
| 14:03.20 | jetscreamer | you need to select the usb and from iso module things when it says 'do you want to load (stuff)' |
| 14:03.37 | jetscreamer | but usually * is preselected |
| 14:03.54 | jetscreamer | did you? |
| 14:04.02 | jetscreamer | or 'was it' |
| 14:04.09 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 14:04.18 | mordy | jetscreamer - can you be more specific? i don't know what you're referring to in the instraller |
| 14:04.20 | mordy | installer |
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| 14:05.06 | jetscreamer | a selection box opens and there are a lot of 'modules'(programs?) you can load... scan for iso is one, and iirc usb is another |
| 14:05.23 | mordy | jetscreamer - i can't get to that stage in the etch installer |
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| 14:05.44 | mordy | unless i'm doing something wrong |
| 14:05.47 | jetscreamer | do you get to detecting network card? |
| 14:05.52 | mordy | yes |
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| 14:05.59 | mordy | it can't find the card |
| 14:06.06 | jetscreamer | go lenny |
| 14:06.10 | jetscreamer | imo |
| 14:06.12 | jetscreamer | ymmv |
| 14:06.31 | jetscreamer | like the man said, etch is over a year old |
| 14:06.46 | mordy | jetscreamer - i see- there's no option for usb modules |
| 14:07.12 | jetscreamer | i haven't used the installer in a while |
| 14:07.20 | mordy | but - and this is weird - i can mount my USB stick from the busybox in the installer |
| 14:07.30 | mordy | gah, i'll get the lenny |
| 14:07.57 | mordy | maybe i can built my own kernel with usb support? but i don't know how to do that |
| 14:07.58 | mordy | :) |
| 14:07.58 | mordy | :( |
| 14:08.06 | liable | mordy: i have had that |
| 14:08.26 | liable | and editing the fstab in the installer / has let me do it |
| 14:08.37 | liable | i dont understand why though |
| 14:08.38 | mordy | liable - how do i do that? |
| 14:09.01 | jetscreamer | mcedit is on the installer isn't it? or nano |
| 14:09.03 | seriouslycgi | if i ./configure make make install what would happen if i make install again? |
| 14:09.13 | liable | mordy: make a mountpoint (mkdir /foo) and nano fstab and add a line to it, then mount -a |
| 14:09.17 | seriouslycgi | i deleted a file |
| 14:09.35 | jetscreamer | make clean first? |
| 14:09.39 | jetscreamer | i dunno |
| 14:09.39 | mordy | a blank line? |
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| 14:09.48 | geierAL | hi |
| 14:09.57 | jetscreamer | no a mount line |
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| 14:10.05 | liable | mordy: um no. a line that gives the dev, mountpoint and options, etc |
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| 14:10.24 | mordy | oh, like mount /dev/sda1 /mnt? |
| 14:10.24 | geierAL | thx for >> Debian packages for KDE 4.1, KOffice alpha9 and more |
| 14:10.34 | liable | mordy: but like in fstab |
| 14:10.52 | mordy | yes |
| 14:11.02 | liable | mordy: that wont help the installer find your iso though |
| 14:11.05 | liable | i doubt |
| 14:11.07 | mordy | ouch |
| 14:11.20 | liable | it should do it automagically |
| 14:11.22 | BrahmsC | someone ever had bad sector problem on IBM Netvista machine during the install? |
| 14:11.24 | mordy | hehe |
| 14:11.30 | liable | i dunno why yours isnt working |
| 14:11.33 | BrahmsC | specifically in the beginning |
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| 14:11.59 | BrahmsC | the cd-rom can't be mounted |
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| 14:12.12 | jetscreamer | in the place where you load the ntfs and other 'modules' iirc there is a 'find iso' one or so |
| 14:12.21 | sigma_12 | is there a deb package for the latest amarok beta? |
| 14:12.29 | mordy | jetscreamer - it's selected by default |
| 14:12.39 | geierAL | sigma_12, there is |
| 14:12.42 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:13.09 | jetscreamer | i thought it wasn't ... |
| 14:13.12 | sigma_12 | geierAL: where is it? |
| 14:13.43 | mordy | jetscreamer - maybe i'm simply downloading the wrong image - i guess if the image i was using was intended for USB, then it wouldn't give me these problems |
| 14:13.59 | jetscreamer | mordy: if you have windows on that a speedy method is goodbye-windows.com though |
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| 14:14.13 | mordy | :| |
| 14:14.25 | jetscreamer | mordy: the iso needs to match the installer's version |
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| 14:14.50 | geierAL | sigma_12, but as far as i kno there is just an alpha, no beta |
| 14:15.06 | mordy | jetscreamer - here is something really odd though - i managed to copy an ISO from the USB to the target disk - the iso was of the wrong version and was simply foo.iso in this regard |
| 14:15.13 | jetscreamer | mordy: but there are no 'usb images' per se |
| 14:15.30 | mordy | but it detected *That* iso - now i'm trying to copy the proper iso to the local disk, and i can't get anything - |
| 14:15.50 | mordy | and i can't get it to unmount the local disk - it's mounted to something called /hd-media - and it's a read-only mount |
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| 14:16.00 | geierAL | sigma_12, but read here: http://amarok.kde.org/de/node/485#comment-8932 |
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| 14:16.02 | mordy | and mount -f or mount -a doesn't do it |
| 14:16.06 | sigma_12 | geierAL: i meant alpha. whats the link to the package? |
| 14:16.14 | mikearthur | how can I reinstall a package and get it to overwrite the files in /etc/ |
| 14:16.27 | jetscreamer | !conf-miss |
| 14:16.30 | jetscreamer | err |
| 14:17.04 | liable | steals jetscreamer's hyphen |
| 14:17.09 | jetscreamer | !confmiss |
| 14:17.09 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 14:17.14 | jetscreamer | yeah i had to listkeys |
| 14:17.53 | jetscreamer | mordy: last time i looked the installer mounted your target hd at /target |
| 14:18.07 | jetscreamer | not sure where /hd-media comes from |
| 14:18.22 | mordy | jetscreamer - i'm using the hd-media boot image |
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| 14:18.46 | liable | /hd-media is in the / of installer, installed system is /target |
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| 14:19.15 | mordy | yes - and that's what's baffling me - maybe the installer things the local hd is the installer, although i can't see why |
| 14:19.20 | mordy | since it's loaded from the usb |
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| 14:19.53 | jetscreamer | if you have the iso on a usb stick what are you loading the installer from |
| 14:19.58 | seriouslycgi | can i get some help removing some software i compiled? the software is rtorrent i compiled and installed it but i deleted the source files and i have no idea what to do |
| 14:20.06 | mordy | jerscreamer - the usb itself |
| 14:20.25 | mordy | both the isntaller and the usb are on the same partition. i tried using a different partition, but no change |
| 14:21.16 | jetscreamer | ok i'm going to install via usb on this church's computer just so i know wtf... i was going to install debian on it anyway |
| 14:21.49 | jetscreamer | they had windows me and the hd died :) |
| 14:21.51 | mordy | thinks WWJD |
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| 14:22.41 | mordy | jetscreamer - i'm using the "hd-media" directory for my installer images http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/ |
| 14:22.42 | liable | love it when someone waits 30 seconds for an answer and leaves |
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| 14:22.50 | mordy | lol |
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| 14:25.26 | jetscreamer | ah speaking of... time to hook up that hd and see if it's sat long enough to do ddrescue |
| 14:25.27 | jetscreamer | click of death |
| 14:25.35 | mordy | lol |
| 14:25.47 | mordy | *sigh* |
| 14:25.48 | mordy | :( |
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| 14:28.15 | mordy | i'll try lenny :( |
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| 14:39.31 | BrahmsC | i have written down the error log from alt-f4 |
| 14:39.38 | BrahmsC | where can i post this for help ? |
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| 14:41.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | Question: I think I may have fucked up my kernel modules, (PCMCIA doesn't work anymore, worked fine yesterday) |
| 14:41.49 | orveldv | BrahmsC: pastebin.ca |
| 14:41.51 | BrahmsC | get a new one |
| 14:41.58 | liable | BrahmsC: paste.debian.net |
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| 14:42.15 | Blast_Hardcheese | I have no built in NIC, |
| 14:42.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | Would compiling a kernel have changed anything in my system? |
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| 14:46.20 | BrahmsC | http://paste.debian.net/11627/ |
| 14:46.25 | BrahmsC | orveldv |
| 14:46.26 | BrahmsC | liable |
| 14:46.28 | assasukasse | hello, i have a .deb package, i wish to install it but has alot of deps, dpkg doesn't resolve them what else can i use? |
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| 14:47.11 | stew | assasukasse: run "aptitude -f install" to satisfy the dependencies after running 'dpkg -i' |
| 14:47.45 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
| 14:47.51 | deever | because hb_gui doen't work as described in a linux-ha book |
| 14:47.54 | liable | BrahmsC: looks nasty. i have seen those on my boxes with installed systems, dont think its a good sign when trying to install. |
| 14:47.56 | BrahmsC | So, this happens after i chose the keyboard layout when the installation is about to start. The installer wants to mount the cd-rom and can't find the disk so i get this message |
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| 14:48.42 | BrahmsC | liable: to me it look like some weird issue between the drivers/hardware |
| 14:48.53 | assasukasse | thanks steven |
| 14:48.55 | assasukasse | steven: |
| 14:48.57 | assasukasse | stew |
| 14:49.12 | liable | BrahmsC: yes, thats a kernel driver responding to bad replys from the device |
| 14:49.37 | BrahmsC | intuition point for me! woohoo |
| 14:49.50 | liable | heh |
| 14:49.52 | BrahmsC | also |
| 14:49.56 | liable | no install for you! |
| 14:50.06 | BrahmsC | hum |
| 14:50.10 | liable | s/install/soup/ |
| 14:50.14 | BrahmsC | it's a lost cause ? |
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| 14:50.22 | BrahmsC | soup ;) |
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| 14:50.51 | liable | not neccesarily. try a few times, you might get lucky |
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| 14:52.02 | iCEifer | anyone know how to use full disk encryption with an existing debian install? |
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| 14:52.22 | bopols | I created a DebianLive USB, did apt-get install ssh, issued live-snapshot, and rebooted. After boot my changes were not saved. Where did I go wrong? |
| 14:52.29 | enouf | in case anyone was wondering what CharminTheMoose 's dist-upgrade issue was; turns out his /etc/adduser.conf was a POSIX tar archive! O_o (don't ask me how or why) .. 1st i made him do the exit 0 trick, then we investigated, found out, and i uploaded my default /etc/adduser.conf, had him remove exit 0 from .postinst and apt-get --reinstall install libuuid-VERSION, and now he has a libuuid:libuuid or whatever |
| 14:53.35 | liable | i wasnt, but thats very interesting. the better question of course is how the fuck. :) |
| 14:53.44 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:53.55 | CharminTheMoose | I think it was me attempting to back up /etc and something went wrong somewhere. |
| 14:54.16 | liable | it = ? |
| 14:54.22 | CharminTheMoose | and etc.tar ended up as addusers.conf |
| 14:54.22 | liable | oh, you |
| 14:54.31 | CharminTheMoose | hello |
| 14:54.34 | ^shark_ | hi friends, i am having this problem >> http://pastebin.ca/1076678 who can tell me what this is all about |
| 14:56.46 | BrahmsC | looks like a jammed queue |
| 14:57.05 | enouf | is showing adduser.conf /first line/ as a file, namely /etc/adjtime :-P <-- corrected |
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| 14:58.19 | themill | enouf: that's truly bizarre. Must have taken quite some work to figure out. Good stuff... I'll take a wild guess at "tar cvf /etc/*" instead of "tar cvf myarchive.tar /etc/*" or something like that. |
| 14:58.52 | enouf | BrahmsC: so, you blanked your orig cdXPburner CD-RW, and reburned the debian installer ISO using slackware's cdrecord? but was it still the etch 4.0r1 iso? |
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| 14:59.41 | enouf | !wb cydork |
| 14:59.42 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! cydork has returned! |
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| 15:01.02 | mardi | i like debian lenny |
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| 15:02.36 | BrahmsC | enouf: yes, i tried later on with a new disk burned first on windows with the netinstall |
| 15:03.11 | BrahmsC | liable: now it looks like the kernel doesnt like my cd-rom or something like that, what about i try another cd-rom drive, have you ever try it ? |
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| 15:04.37 | enouf | BrahmsC: your pastebin shows media errors, say it's either crap media that'll never be good again, or it's a bad burn, or both |
| 15:04.46 | enouf | s/say/so |
| 15:05.08 | enouf | BrahmsC: sure, i guess the drive could be bad too .. |
| 15:05.41 | mordy | what partioning tools are available in busybox? |
| 15:06.51 | liable | BrahmsC: try it i guess |
| 15:07.29 | liable | BrahmsC: if you have another drive, i would certainly try. fixed my errors in that senario |
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| 15:07.55 | lxsameer | is there any clamwin virus killer around . mine just scaning |
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| 15:09.29 | BrahmsC | i have to buy a new one\ |
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| 15:09.50 | liable | ouch |
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| 15:10.28 | liable | heads to bed |
| 15:10.30 | mordy | liable - still trying to maneuver my way around - tried the lenny installer - same problem |
| 15:10.31 | BrahmsC | enouf: he'res the cdrecord command i used to burn: cdrecord -v dev=/dev/cdrom -raw96r driveropts=burnfree -eject -overburn -data /filepath |
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| 15:11.20 | liable | mordy: damn. i'm off. good luck, hope you get it sorted. try another usb stick |
| 15:11.22 | mordy | brahmsC - maybe you can try polishing the optical lens |
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| 15:13.35 | Blast_Hardcheese | Is there any way to reinstall the same version of the kernel as I have right now? |
| 15:14.02 | vimes656 | I don't find which package provides /etc/mysql/debian.cnf, I've looked in http://packages.debian.org in all distributions |
| 15:14.22 | vimes656 | I get a no file found error when setting up wordpress |
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| 15:17.41 | stew | vimes656: its not contained in a package, its generated by the mysql-server-5.0 postinst script |
| 15:17.49 | vimes656 | oh |
| 15:18.10 | vimes656 | stew: but I've already installed mysql-server-5.0 |
| 15:18.16 | stew | vimes656: try "dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server-5.0" |
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| 15:18.33 | vimes656 | let's see |
| 15:18.40 | mordy | gahs |
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| 15:20.01 | BrahmsC | mordy: what do i need to polish it ? |
| 15:20.19 | jescis | Hello all, I just reinstalled debian after a long time haitus. |
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| 15:20.44 | mordy | brahmsC - if you're getting a media error - there may just be some dust or dirt on your lens. helps sometimes. just use a cloth designed for such - |
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| 15:21.31 | mordy | many lenscloths would do the trick - but at your own risk - some of them may scratch it - if it's an old drive and oyu have another one to spare, then go ahead |
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| 15:23.13 | Nyle | hi |
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| 15:23.31 | Nyle | know any good mplayer frontends |
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| 15:23.40 | indra | Hello |
| 15:23.43 | Nyle | hi |
| 15:23.50 | indra | i wish install debian |
| 15:23.59 | indra | i was using gentoo and ubuntu |
| 15:24.05 | Nyle | !tell indra -about d-i |
| 15:24.10 | Nyle | !tell indra -about ig |
| 15:24.15 | BrahmsC | mordy: i am trying that first i found some cloth and liquid for glasses :) |
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| 15:24.37 | mordy | hehe |
| 15:24.41 | indra | i wish ask |
| 15:24.45 | mordy | hope it works |
| 15:24.56 | indra | which is new version on debian |
| 15:25.06 | Nyle | !stable |
| 15:25.07 | dpkg | somebody said stable was the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r3), or ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). |
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| 15:25.29 | vimes656 | stew: solved, when reconfiguring I was getting a post-install error |
| 15:25.32 | mordy | but can anyone furnish me with a solution? why isn't the installer finding the iso? |
| 15:25.41 | indra | i whish install new debian and i think using debian |
| 15:25.42 | Nyle | indra, a lot of people run lenny |
| 15:25.45 | vimes656 | stew: I googled for that error an fixed, thanks |
| 15:25.53 | Nyle | indra, debian testing, slightly newer than stable, but not as unstable as sid |
| 15:25.53 | indra | what is this |
| 15:26.20 | indra | i don't know |
| 15:26.21 | Nyle | indra, debian has 2 release status. Stable and testing. unstable is in development and is never released |
| 15:26.26 | Nyle | indra, read |
| 15:26.42 | indra | unstable i am developer |
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| 15:27.01 | Nyle | indra, you should then start off with debian lenny |
| 15:27.03 | indra | early i was using ubuntu and gentoo |
| 15:27.21 | indra | ubuntu is not serious |
| 15:27.36 | Nyle | !why debian |
| 15:27.37 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 15:27.43 | Nyle | indra, read those too |
| 15:28.00 | indra | gentoo i don't take too much care about system administrating |
| 15:28.13 | Nyle | indra, don't forget to read www.debian.org/doc |
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| 15:28.32 | Nyle | indra, you need a desktop or a server system? |
| 15:28.46 | Nyle | indra, do you care about stability and security or not? |
| 15:28.54 | indra | desktop |
| 15:29.03 | Nyle | indra, ok then try debian lenny |
| 15:29.04 | indra | i have on server debian |
| 15:29.21 | indra | i have netfilter and evrything |
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| 15:31.11 | Nyle | http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 15:31.20 | n-iCe | Nyle: =9 |
| 15:31.27 | Nyle | n-iCe, hi |
| 15:31.41 | Nyle | n-iCe, did you see my latest wallpaper? |
| 15:31.53 | Nyle | n-iCe, debian rosey pink stuff |
| 15:31.55 | n-iCe | no, send it, now |
| 15:31.58 | n-iCe | xD |
| 15:32.15 | Nyle | http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=0 |
| 15:32.19 | Nyle | enjoy |
| 15:32.22 | Nyle | its a high res |
| 15:32.42 | n-iCe | looking |
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| 15:33.01 | Nyle | i like the nice soothing colors, been using this for my wallpaper for a few days now |
| 15:33.12 | Nyle | n-iCe, click on image to get 1600x1200 res |
| 15:33.14 | indra | nyle i will take minimal cd with network install |
| 15:33.21 | Nyle | indra, sounds good |
| 15:33.34 | n-iCe | Done, I am using it, Nyle , awesome |
| 15:33.40 | Nyle | thanks |
| 15:33.48 | Nyle | so you really like it? |
| 15:33.49 | n-iCe | to you |
| 15:33.52 | n-iCe | YES |
| 15:33.56 | Nyle | cool thanksman |
| 15:33.57 | n-iCe | I think more than the others |
| 15:33.58 | Nyle | preciate it |
| 15:33.59 | n-iCe | *G* |
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| 15:34.08 | indra | that will be faster |
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| 15:34.12 | n-iCe | I was using the orange one |
| 15:34.12 | indra | i think |
| 15:34.21 | Nyle | indra, it will be just fine |
| 15:34.38 | Nyle | indra, though, you know you can start a minimal netinst without a cd |
| 15:34.48 | Nyle | read chapter 5 of the install guide |
| 15:34.57 | Nyle | how to boot installer from existing os |
| 15:35.02 | indra | can you send mi link |
| 15:35.07 | Nyle | but cd is the easiest route |
| 15:35.07 | indra | lol |
| 15:35.21 | Nyle | !tell indra -about ig |
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| 15:35.35 | mordy | what images do i use for a usb media-only install? |
| 15:35.50 | indra | now i am on ubuntu |
| 15:36.10 | Nyle | install guide contains instructions on how to put the installer and iso on the usb stick |
| 15:36.15 | Nyle | and how to make the usb stick bootable |
| 15:36.27 | jescis | where is the tutorial on making my own varient of the kernel, I need DirectFB or something, everytime I install debian I can't load up X :/ |
| 15:36.35 | mordy | nyle - i've read the installation guide - how do i explain this - it just doesn't find the iso |
| 15:36.58 | stew | mordy: which version are you trying to install? |
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| 15:37.20 | mordy | stew - etch - but i've tried the lenny installer as well with the same problem |
| 15:37.21 | stew | jescis: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:37.37 | stew | mordy: is the hd-media you are using also etch? |
| 15:37.47 | massmc | hi, I am trying to get gdebi from apt but its telling me that the package is missing or obsolete.. any help? |
| 15:37.54 | mordy | stew - you mean the target drive? the image? |
| 15:38.01 | Nyle | mordy, kernel |
| 15:38.09 | mordy | now? yes |
| 15:38.11 | Nyle | the one you are using to make the iso bootable |
| 15:38.18 | Nyle | hd-media kernel/image |
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| 15:38.24 | deever | anyone with heartbeat-2 running here? |
| 15:38.25 | deever | because hb_gui doen't work as described in a linux-ha book |
| 15:38.28 | mordy | nyle - yes i'm using thaty one |
| 15:38.31 | stew | deever: ask #linux-ha |
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| 15:38.46 | mordy | i got the images from here, http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/lenny/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
| 15:38.50 | Nyle | er.. usb bootable s/iso/usb |
| 15:38.59 | Nyle | mordy, thats fine |
| 15:39.03 | stew | massmc: you are running testing? |
| 15:39.11 | Nyle | mordy, you said you wanted etch |
| 15:39.19 | Nyle | but you're using hd-media from lenny? |
| 15:39.20 | mordy | nyle- yes - on another computer |
| 15:39.22 | deever | stew: already did...mb i try it again...;) |
| 15:39.40 | mordy | nyle - i tried that with etch as well - i just copied the wrong url |
| 15:39.46 | Nyle | i see |
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| 15:40.26 | mordy | nyle - if there was something wrong with my stick, then it wouldn't boot at all -or i would at least get an error at boot-time - no? |
| 15:40.37 | Nyle | mordy, so after you boot installer from usb, does it mount the usb or not? if it does does it find the iso image or not? |
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| 15:41.22 | mordy | nyle - it doesn't mount the usb - and it doesn't find the iso; i had successfully mounted the usb stick in the busybox included with the installer - but to no avail - it can't find it |
| 15:41.43 | mordy | i realize that the installer is only checking in /dev/scsi - and it's only checking the local disk - i.e. the target disk |
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| 15:42.17 | mordy | i've also realized that it's mounting the target hd to the /hd-media folder - i don't know if it's supposed to do that - isn't it supposed to mount the usb stick to that path? |
| 15:42.30 | Nyle | I'm not quite sure |
| 15:42.36 | Nyle | I haven't done a usb install in years |
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| 15:43.21 | mordy | nyle -what i *can* do is mount the iso manually - but when i try to run anything from the iso, i get "permission denied" |
| 15:43.44 | bolt_ | Is there a way to select which vty the system should show when it's done booting? Suppose I want it to switch to the console I get by pressing alt+f4 automatically, as long as that console is enabled (runlevel 2, 3) |
| 15:44.08 | bolt_ | perhaps just some command I can put into rc.local? |
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| 15:44.12 | pippijn | hi all |
| 15:44.15 | bolt_ | or something with inittab |
| 15:44.15 | pippijn | I just installed debian stable |
| 15:44.22 | pippijn | and the nvidia driver from the repository |
| 15:44.28 | n-iCe | Nyle: http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=6&pos=2 |
| 15:44.45 | pippijn | now when I start X, it gets to the splash screen and then segfaults |
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| 15:45.03 | bolt_ | !tell pippijn about error message |
| 15:45.18 | pippijn | in libGLcore, libc, signal handler |
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| 15:45.23 | Nyle | n-iCe, ? |
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| 15:46.17 | mordy | nyle - what i also find strange about the installer image is that it won't detect my ethernet card, which is a generic realtek rtl81xx |
| 15:46.36 | wols_ | not stragen. you need a newer kernel |
| 15:46.42 | pippijn | ehm |
| 15:46.46 | wols_ | !tell mordy about kmuto |
| 15:46.48 | pippijn | !tell bolt_ about patience? |
| 15:47.07 | pippijn | bolt_: I was about to tell you about the error message |
| 15:47.18 | pippijn | but I can't paste anywhere, since I have no browser and no mouse |
| 15:47.24 | mordy | wols, btw - about that radeonfb - renaming radeonfb.ko did the trick |
| 15:47.55 | Nyle | you couldn't have just blacklisted it? |
| 15:48.01 | mordy | nlye... no |
| 15:48.05 | Nyle | ok |
| 15:48.08 | pippijn | the backtrace is rather sparse |
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| 15:48.21 | Nyle | pippijn, install gpm |
| 15:48.31 | Nyle | pippijn, and elinks or links2 |
| 15:48.36 | pippijn | it says 0: xf86signalhandler, 1: libc.so, 2: libGLcore |
| 15:48.50 | pippijn | Nyle: and then? |
| 15:48.58 | Nyle | !gpm |
| 15:48.58 | dpkg | gpm (General Purpose Mouse) is a package for use of the mouse in a Linux (text-only) console. Install it, then use left button to select text, middle or right button to paste. In some applications (such as elinks), you have to hold down Shift in order to cut or paste, otherwise the app itself interprets the mouse clicks. |
| 15:48.59 | pippijn | Nyle: paste the error message? |
| 15:49.03 | Nyle | yessir |
| 15:49.17 | Wyzard | mordy: The 100mbit rtl8139 card has been supported for years, but the gigabit rtl8169 card isn't supported by etch's kernel |
| 15:49.26 | pippijn | do you think it helps more than what I just said about the backtrace? |
| 15:49.30 | pippijn | ok, you probably do |
| 15:49.31 | pippijn | I'll paste it |
| 15:49.37 | pippijn | actually |
| 15:49.44 | mordy | it's 100bit |
| 15:49.53 | pippijn | http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/up/errormsg.txt |
| 15:49.53 | wols_ | mordy: lspci |
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| 15:50.29 | mordy | rtl8101e |
| 15:50.46 | Wyzard | hmm, haven't heard of that one |
| 15:50.50 | wols_ | that is a 10GBit nic, not 100Mbit as you said |
| 15:50.59 | pippijn | Nyle: ^ |
| 15:51.00 | wols_ | Wyzard: it's built in on almost all newer mobos |
| 15:51.05 | mordy | hmm... |
| 15:51.10 | wols_ | it's a 8169 |
| 15:51.12 | Wyzard | 10gbit? |
| 15:51.19 | wols_ | 1GBit, mea culpa |
| 15:51.22 | Wyzard | ok |
| 15:51.27 | Wyzard | so it's an 8169 variant |
| 15:51.28 | mordy | i doubt they'd put a gbit on this cheap thing |
| 15:51.47 | Wyzard | mordy: Gigabit cards aren't that expensive these days |
| 15:51.51 | wols_ | mordy: your doubt is irrelevant if it's a 8101 |
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| 15:53.09 | pippijn | bolt_: I pasted the full error message |
| 15:53.14 | mordy | i need the e1000e image? |
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| 15:54.02 | wols_ | pippijn: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 |
| 15:54.07 | p3rti | hi.. i have a problem.. cron doesnt start the jobs from /etc/cron.d and cron is running.. what it could be? |
| 15:54.19 | wols_ | pippijn: and what nvidia card you have? |
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| 15:54.25 | pippijn | nvidia-glx |
| 15:54.36 | pippijn | wols_: NVIDIA 7900 Go GS (I think) |
| 15:54.43 | Wyzard | mordy: For reference, here's a Realtek-based gigabit card for $22 USD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122133 |
| 15:55.08 | mordy | heh! but what use is a gbit card if i have a 100mbit router :( |
| 15:55.20 | wols_ | pippijn: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGLcore.so.1 |
| 15:55.44 | pippijn | nvidia-glx |
| 15:55.48 | Wyzard | mordy: Think of it as a bonus feature which you can unlock with the purchase of a new switch :-) |
| 15:55.58 | p3rti | maybe is that cron... |
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| 15:56.02 | p3rti | i dont know :'( |
| 15:56.46 | wols_ | pippijn: you sure about 7900 go? |
| 15:57.12 | pippijn | wols_: pretty much |
| 15:57.22 | wols_ | that's not sure. lspci |
| 15:57.31 | pippijn | lspci says unknown device |
| 15:57.42 | pippijn | sec... |
| 15:57.44 | Wyzard | pippijn: update-pciids will fix that |
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| 15:58.01 | pippijn | Wyzard: Go 7900 GS |
| 15:58.03 | pippijn | Wyzard: thanks |
| 15:58.07 | pippijn | er |
| 15:58.11 | pippijn | wols_: Go 7900 GS |
| 15:58.15 | mordy | after download i just zcat <boot.img.gz> > <usb stick> ? |
| 15:58.40 | Wyzard | pippijn: Your error is in libGLcore, which I believe is not actually supposed to be used these days (e.g. comment out the Load "GLcore" line in xorg.conf) |
| 15:58.54 | pbn | Hi there. Are you guys aware of VMware not starting anymore in Debian lenny ? It appears to be caused by an upgrade of libgtk2.0 or libx11.. Is there a fix ? Is there already a bug report ? Look: http://paste.debian.net/11631/ |
| 15:59.23 | pippijn | Wyzard: okay |
| 15:59.41 | Wyzard | pippijn: though I've personally never seen any ill effects from loading GLcore (but maybe this problem is more recent than last time I inadvertently did it) |
| 16:00.23 | Wyzard | pbn: I use VMware Workstation in sid and haven't had any GTK-related problems |
| 16:00.51 | pippijn | Wyzard: thanks, works now |
| 16:01.06 | BrahmsC | mordy: cleaning it up didn't help |
| 16:01.08 | Wyzard | pbn: but I did recently install VMware Server on an Ubuntu machine and had to copy a library (libgtk2.0, I think) from /usr/lib into VMware's lib directory to overwrite its bundled one that didn't work |
| 16:01.12 | pbn | Wyzard: hmmm weird... but VMware workstation isn't VMware server... |
| 16:01.30 | wols_ | pippijn: I'd try another nvidia driver. backport from sid |
| 16:01.34 | mordy | brahmsC - then i guess it's a media problem :( good practice though - especially if you haven't cleaned it in a while |
| 16:01.41 | pippijn | wols_: why? |
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| 16:02.18 | wols_ | pippijn: cause it's not a lot you can do if nvidia drivers segfaults than try another version. it's closed source |
| 16:02.23 | BrahmsC | mordy: i just put a slackware cd inside and the install goes on.. |
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| 16:02.29 | pippijn | wols_: I told Wyzard it works now |
| 16:02.35 | wols_ | nice |
| 16:02.36 | jescis | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1076735 is my Xorg log file you wanted to see. |
| 16:02.48 | jescis | hopes it helps :/ |
| 16:03.11 | pbn | Wyzard: cgonna try that, thank you :) |
| 16:03.19 | BrahmsC | he detects this one |
| 16:03.31 | mordy | well, if another CD works and this doesn't, then it's a media problem. debian manual says to burn it using RAW mode |
| 16:03.42 | pippijn | wols_: thanks |
| 16:03.49 | mordy | you may also try burning the image at a lower speed as well |
| 16:03.52 | BrahmsC | so, before buying a new one, maybe the debian installer doesn't load the right driver for my cd-rom, where can i choose which driver the installer uses ? |
| 16:04.08 | Wyzard | pbn: I don't remember the details, and it might not have been libgtk2.0, I do remember that I found information about it online by googling the error message I got |
| 16:04.26 | mordy | BrahmsC, IIRC you don't need a special driver for a cd-rom unless it's a special kind of drive |
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| 16:04.38 | Wyzard | BrahmsC: Every CD/DVD drive made in the past decade or more uses the same driver |
| 16:05.21 | Wyzard | BrahmsC: They're all ATAPI |
| 16:05.37 | BrahmsC | oh |
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| 16:05.52 | BrahmsC | hum |
| 16:06.07 | p3rti | someone know? |
| 16:06.09 | p3rti | :( |
| 16:06.21 | p3rti | i have a problem.. cron doesnt start the jobs from /etc/cron.d and cron is running.. what it could be? |
| 16:06.24 | danilom | i need to share some files throught internet, is there some web system to manage it with users?? something more secure than ftp... |
| 16:06.41 | BrahmsC | mordy: i've burned it at 4x |
| 16:06.57 | BrahmsC | mordy: what tool can i use to verify the md5sum of the cd against the official ? |
| 16:07.15 | mordy | brahmsc - are you using debian now? |
| 16:07.20 | BrahmsC | im on slackware now |
| 16:07.46 | mordy | brahmsc - i use k3b |
| 16:07.51 | Wyzard | BrahmsC: You can just do "md5sum /dev/cdrom" then |
| 16:08.35 | DawnLight | virtualbox question: windows client doesn't see the shared folder. how? why? what? |
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| 16:12.14 | BrahmsC | weird stuff, the md5sum is good |
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| 16:12.48 | BrahmsC | i;ve also tried to switch between primary/secondary bus, still can't read it :\ |
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| 16:14.57 | jescis | stew: I see a lot of missing directories in the Xorg log file :/ |
| 16:16.11 | Eulex | jescis, for fonts? those are harmless |
| 16:16.17 | pbn | Wyzard: ok I replaced libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 in VMware with the one from Debian. Now VMware still won't start but I have one error message instead of 40: /usr/vmware/lib/vmware/bin/vmware: symbol lookup error: /usr/vmware/lib/vmware/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0: undefined symbol: g_hash_table_ref |
| 16:16.32 | neonlightning | i'm trying to setup my 7button logitech v150 and i've tried using my xorg.conf(well the mouse portion) and it didn't change anything i tried using cat on all the mouse related /dev entries and the only ones that show my last two buttons are the event-mouse entries but i tried setting the one in by-id as my Device and it almost totally locked up my system |
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| 16:17.09 | jescis | Eulex: so why can't I use X :/ |
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| 16:17.21 | stew | jescis: that xorg.log looks fine to me. those missing directories are not a problem. do you get an actual error when you run 'startx'? |
| 16:17.22 | Eulex | jescis, for some other reason. |
| 16:18.17 | jescis | stew: the only thing I get is myu TV/monitor saying "No Signal" :/ |
| 16:18.25 | jescis | my* |
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| 16:18.44 | FalscherHase | hi. how can i easily compare hash sums of files actually on my disk with those in the deb package? (i have the suspicion that some libraries are corrupted) |
| 16:19.01 | VulpesFoxnik | I anyone else been having problems with NFS shares? |
| 16:19.13 | Wyzard | pbn: I looked up the command I used in my .bash_history on the machine where I had the VMware problem, and it turns out that the problem was actually involving libgcc_s.so.1, and that's what I copied (like I said, I didn't remember the details clearly) |
| 16:19.23 | avu | FalscherHase, have a look at debsums |
| 16:19.28 | Wyzard | pbn: so your problem is likely a different one |
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| 16:19.52 | FalscherHase | avu: great, thanks! |
| 16:20.31 | pbn | Wyzard: ok, thank you :) |
| 16:21.59 | VulpesFoxnik | I'm having the most blizzard problems with nfs.... I can copy files using cp -f (local) (remote), but trying to not force it results in "Failed to open "/media/nfs/proc/imgproc/trash/temp/presort/artists/New Text Document.txt" for writing (Operation not permitted)." |
| 16:23.34 | VulpesFoxnik | Nobody? |
| 16:23.50 | VulpesFoxnik | bashes her head against a wall |
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| 16:24.53 | Wyzard | You could use strace to find out what it's actually trying to do that causes the "operation not permitted" |
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| 16:25.34 | VulpesFoxnik | I'll give that a try. |
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| 16:28.16 | pbn | okay from bug report 486507 it appears the solution is to downgrade libx11-6 to 2:1.0.3-7 ... how can I do that ? |
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| 16:30.29 | bolt_ | How can I select which tty is shown after boot? I set tty8 to automatically show a colorized kernel log, and I want my box to switch to that after booting, while keeping tty1 as it is |
| 16:30.54 | VulpesFoxnik | So Wyzard... how do I interpret this to idiotnese? |
| 16:31.34 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: pastebin the last screenful or so |
| 16:32.05 | VulpesFoxnik | What pisses me off is that it's almost random when it occurs |
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| 16:32.21 | BrahmsC | that's a good news |
| 16:33.00 | enouf | BrahmsC: was afk - listen see if you can find docs like /cdrkit/cdrkit-1.1.7.1/doc/wodim/README.raw and read - i'd prefer you use wodim, and -dao mode, but if your drive can't it can't |
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| 16:34.16 | BrahmsC | enouf: why? the md5sum of /dev/cdrom is the same as the official one, so the cd have been burned successfully |
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| 16:34.30 | VulpesFoxnik | Wyzard <http://pastebin.com/m1385a39e>http://pastebin.com/m1385a39e |
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| 16:35.24 | BrahmsC | VulpesFoxnick: look at line 201 |
| 16:35.33 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: open("/media/nfs/proc/Japanese_Squirrel_edit2.jpg", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_EXCL, 0644) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
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| 16:35.51 | enouf | BrahmsC: unlikely, but yes, very possible, it varies from drive to drive .. and yet, did you also again do the "check integrity" at boot: ? |
| 16:36.07 | BrahmsC | 115, 117, 131, 139 etcetc.. |
| 16:36.25 | jescis | stew: you think my issue is because of the nvidia card, tv, or drivers? |
| 16:36.34 | BrahmsC | enouf: i did not see such option on the debian list |
| 16:36.35 | enouf | BrahmsC: as someone suggested, you can try to clean your optical lens, with some isopropyl alcohol and a soft cloth |
| 16:36.40 | Wyzard | BrahmsC: The messages on those lines are harmless |
| 16:36.41 | enouf | BrahmsC: it's there |
| 16:36.46 | BrahmsC | enouf: been here done that ;) |
| 16:36.52 | enouf | BrahmsC: not to mention, you said earlier you did it before |
| 16:37.04 | VulpesFoxnik | All of my permissions are right, I even have my nfs mapping to the owner of the file system... I just don't understand why I cannot copy to it... but I can delete, and touch... |
| 16:37.55 | enouf | BrahmsC: will that cdrom drive boot other CDs? from other OSes? no prob? |
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| 16:38.03 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: Unfortunately I don't know enough about NFS to have any idea why that system call would fail |
| 16:38.08 | BrahmsC | enouf: i can install slackware without problem |
| 16:38.17 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: but you have more of a starting point now |
| 16:38.33 | bolt_ | anyone? |
| 16:38.34 | tuvwx | i have user access to a remote machine, and i want to install some software in my home directory. i tried 2 things: 1) unpack debootstrap. i managed to do so, but since i don't have root access to the host machine i cannot chroot to the debian system. 2) i have been looking for a binary for gcc to compile from source, but couldn't find a binary that can be installed in my home dir. ... any suggestions are appreciated |
| 16:38.34 | BrahmsC | enouf: i tried many burn of the debian 1 binary disk and the netinstall |
| 16:38.52 | VulpesFoxnik | Well I just recently been getting this.... and kernel panics with 2.6.25-6 >> |
| 16:38.54 | enouf | ok, yeah, something screwy with ide-cdrom and such you might need older driver - did you again try "installgui generi.all_generic_ide=1" ? |
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| 16:39.10 | enouf | sorry |
| 16:39.15 | BrahmsC | enouf: iirc yes but it was late, let me try it again ;) |
| 16:39.18 | enouf | generic.all_generic_ide=1 |
| 16:39.27 | BrahmsC | where it is asked to press enter at boot prompt ? |
| 16:39.29 | enouf | ok |
| 16:39.37 | enouf | yes, do not press enter |
| 16:39.45 | enouf | use the f1-f10 keys ;0 |
| 16:41.08 | enouf | BrahmsC: that's a IBM netvista? a p3 system? my p2 system with 1999 optical dvdrom drives work fine with those cds |
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| 16:41.31 | bolt_ | How can I select which tty is shown after boot? I set tty8 to automatically show a colorized kernel log, and I want my box to switch to that after booting, while keeping tty1 as it is |
| 16:41.31 | jescis | Eulex: Do you think my issue is because of the nvidia card, tv, or drivers? |
| 16:42.00 | enouf | i bet a new drive would fix all the woes - yes, slack might work, but they might also use or make avail scsi emulation if needed - dunno |
| 16:42.11 | VulpesFoxnik | Wyzard know anything about setting up Samba? For the life of me I cannot get that to work either >.< |
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| 16:42.19 | enouf | BrahmsC: btw, which slackware version? |
| 16:42.31 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: I've set up samba before, though I don't really use it much |
| 16:42.45 | Wyzard | VulpesFoxnik: What problems did you encounter while setting it up? |
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| 16:42.54 | DawnLight | read the samba docs until you get it |
| 16:43.04 | VulpesFoxnik | I have Dawn... I have.... |
| 16:43.09 | mordy | hehe, i'm still slaving over this :( |
| 16:43.12 | DawnLight | and you got it? |
| 16:43.25 | VulpesFoxnik | I can copy even thier examples... and they fail too |
| 16:43.26 | DawnLight | i took those docs into bed with me |
| 16:43.52 | mordy | DawnLight, for lack of better things :| |
| 16:43.58 | DawnLight | i can paste an example |
| 16:44.09 | DawnLight | i have a better thing right here |
| 16:44.09 | BrahmsC | enouf: error while probing modprobe -v generic |
| 16:44.16 | BrahmsC | enouf: yes netvista p3 |
| 16:44.37 | BrahmsC | enouf: it's slackware 12 |
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| 16:45.08 | enouf | odd. ok then.. hrm, i'm out of ideas atm .. |
| 16:45.12 | enouf | BrahmsC: ^^^^^^ |
| 16:46.07 | enouf | BrahmsC: there are other forms of install - see install guide, if you don't want to spend 20-25$ on a new drive |
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| 16:47.21 | VulpesFoxnik | bleh... other than SMB and NFS... what other sort of file sharing is there that I can mount like an fstab? |
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| 16:47.56 | BrahmsC | enouf: i just a new one, i need it anyway, one error-free |
| 16:48.36 | enouf | BrahmsC: sorry? i couldn't parse that :-) |
| 16:48.51 | enouf | you will get a new one? ok |
| 16:48.56 | BrahmsC | that's right |
| 16:49.01 | enouf | bravo! |
| 16:49.05 | BrahmsC | thank you |
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| 16:49.19 | cr3 | hi |
| 16:49.27 | BrahmsC | ^^ |
| 16:49.34 | cr3 | how long does it take to become a linux guru? |
| 16:50.00 | enouf | BrahmsC: when you buy it, also get a nice new 80wire ATA cable ;-) an check your BIOS and drive jumpers as/after you hook it all up |
| 16:50.08 | mordy | cr3, after you have reached enlightenment |
| 16:50.10 | cr3 | has there been any 13-year old gurus? |
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| 16:50.35 | BrahmsC | cr3: mordy is right, you have to see the light first |
| 16:50.42 | BrahmsC | i guess |
| 16:50.44 | cr3 | coz i don't know how to plan my life, first become guru or do something more interesing? |
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| 16:50.52 | BrahmsC | lol |
| 16:50.54 | cr3 | BrahmsC, i have the window opened |
| 16:51.16 | Akuw | i am using a Wireless Network Card Advantek AWN-PCI-54R |
| 16:51.24 | Akuw | is that linux compatible? |
| 16:51.38 | cr3 | maybe |
| 16:52.03 | mordy | akuw - check to see if it's a generic compatible with something elsse |
| 16:52.19 | mordy | or what the chipset is |
| 16:52.19 | foutrelis | cr3, just use linux as your primary os, you'll get used to it eventually and then you can start creating/tweaking/breaking/fixing stuff :) |
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| 16:52.19 | Wyzard | cr3: That's sort of a nonsense question... if you use Linux you'll gain experience with it, but nobody makes a goal of becoming a guru to the exclusion of all else |
| 16:52.32 | mordy | wyzard, except me |
| 16:52.47 | drazak | you don't count |
| 16:52.54 | mordy | oh :( |
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| 16:56.27 | Akuw | the web page of advantek hhave no drivers to linux |
| 16:57.22 | plb_ | hm on etch I'm able to print a test page but after that cups says quota limit reached. Anyone know what may be wrong? |
| 16:57.26 | plb_ | quotes are set to 0 in printers.conf |
| 16:57.37 | plb_ | and I've set my user to be allowed to print |
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| 17:02.50 | BrahmsC | cr3: what do you want to do ? |
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| 17:05.00 | cr3 | BrahmsC, right now? |
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| 17:06.38 | cr3 | it's hard to make plans for ~ 40 years |
| 17:06.59 | danilom | a really ultra light email client?????? |
| 17:07.44 | bolt_ | danilom: mutt? |
| 17:08.11 | danilom | bolt_, with mutt is possible to use filters? |
| 17:08.34 | bolt_ | danilom: no clue. you said ultra light. you either want features or you want ultra light. |
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| 17:09.06 | danilom | bolt_, ok ok but i need filters.. to organize mails |
| 17:09.10 | bolt_ | Is there a console command to switch terminals? Say I want to go from tty1 to tty2 without pressing alt+f2? |
| 17:09.39 | themill | bolt_: chvt |
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| 17:11.19 | enouf | cr3: invest in big oil, you'll be set for life, there's plenty of sheeple left ;-) |
| 17:11.34 | bolt_ | themill: ah, thanks |
| 17:11.43 | enouf | cr3: and many more being raised and weened each day |
| 17:13.03 | cr3 | enouf, heh :P |
| 17:13.27 | mordy | err... question: i did a cp operation and copied something to my usb disk - the console shows that it's done, but the light on the usb stick is still blinking |
| 17:13.48 | mordy | is it safe to unmount? |
| 17:13.55 | cahoot | run sync |
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| 17:14.36 | pbn | aptitude install libx11-6=2:1.0.3-7 |
| 17:14.42 | pbn | Unable to find a version "2:1.0.3-7" for the package "libx11-6" |
| 17:14.58 | pbn | ... oops? What am I doing wrong ? I'm running Debian Lenny |
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| 17:15.10 | greeg | hi |
| 17:15.28 | greeg | i currently use Gtk+ 2.8 how can i update to 2.10 ? |
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| 17:16.31 | greeg | there is no gtk+ package in apt-cache search |
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| 17:18.30 | Zmax | hi.. I installed xfce4 but, removing it, I'm not able to remove dipendency not installed explicitely. How can I remove them? Is it possible to automate this process? Thanks. |
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| 17:20.10 | jescis | Hello again :) |
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| 17:22.10 | jescis | when I start links2 in graphiocs mode using svgalib and then going back to another tty the screen gets currupted so much I have to restart :/ |
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| 17:24.19 | greeg | there's no package named gtk+ |
| 17:24.25 | greeg | in apt-cache search |
| 17:24.30 | greeg | how do i update gtk+ ? |
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| 17:27.18 | Jabka | how can i use uudecode to get it's input from inside a bash scri[t ? |
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| 17:31.47 | owad | Will Debian run on a Vortex86SX SoC (300MHz), with no math coprocessor? (the eBox-2300SX) |
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| 17:32.18 | BrahmsC | tadam! |
| 17:32.24 | BrahmsC | installing debian! |
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| 17:39.12 | wols_ | owad: not etch |
| 17:39.46 | wols_ | greeg: ther is libgtk however. but why upgrade? |
| 17:40.39 | DawnLight | how do i choose which mirror i'd prefer apt to download from? |
| 17:41.19 | greeg | wols_: firefox 3.0 is asking for it. |
| 17:41.41 | greeg | i downloaded the package becuase i use hotmail and they suggest such an update. |
| 17:41.42 | wols_ | simply: you can't |
| 17:41.49 | wols_ | !ff3 etch |
| 17:42.15 | wols_ | !firefox 3 etch |
| 17:42.16 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 17:42.21 | greeg | hey thanx wols_ |
| 17:43.16 | greeg | wait a tic, at my own risk? would i be able to roll back to firefox 2.8 if something goes wrong? |
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| 17:47.12 | wols_ | !downgreade |
| 17:47.17 | wols_ | !downgrade |
| 17:47.17 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 17:51.18 | Pavlz | hello |
| 17:51.43 | Pavlz | i got a query for you |
| 17:52.33 | Pavlz | d-link g604t and g624t are supported by GNU/linux Debian ? |
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| 17:52.55 | hifi | if the kernel supports it, it is supported |
| 17:53.36 | wols_ | Pavlz: what chip do they use? |
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| 17:54.09 | hifi | umm, aren't those access points? |
| 17:54.42 | somnambulant | hi all: anybody know the best way to proceed for updates/upgrades etc etc after a fresh install of debian 4.0r3? |
| 17:54.49 | Pavlz | ar7 i suppose, they are in the list of openwrt.org |
| 17:55.10 | wols_ | Pavlz: that's not in your PC. debian doesn't care about i |
| 17:55.11 | wols_ | it |
| 17:55.42 | wols_ | !tell somnambulant about security |
| 17:55.46 | wols_ | somnambulant: then dist-upgrade |
| 17:56.11 | somnambulant | so apt-get update, then apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 17:56.19 | Pavlz | please reply, i have not understood |
| 17:57.03 | somnambulant | or is aptitude the way to go these days |
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| 17:57.17 | wols_ | somnambulant: yes aptitude |
| 17:57.39 | wols_ | Pavlz: it does not matter what debian supports there. those are external routers. not in your PC. they don't need ANY drivers in debian |
| 17:57.47 | somnambulant | got your msg thanks wols_ |
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| 17:59.20 | BrahmsC | i'd like to know if there's a developper in my region, is there a link to the developping staff somewhere ? |
| 18:00.06 | Pavlz | this is gooooood |
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| 18:01.22 | Pavlz | wols i thank you |
| 18:02.48 | Pavlz | now i quit and i go to take my ice cream ! |
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| 18:03.07 | Ace2016 | Where can one request a package to be added to the netinstall disk? |
| 18:03.31 | Ace2016 | i would like watch to be added so that i can watch the raid1 building |
| 18:03.39 | Pavlz | bye bye paolo ninuxpdb@gmail.com |
| 18:03.43 | Ace2016 | bye |
| 18:03.58 | enouf | !custom cd |
| 18:03.58 | dpkg | from memory, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
| 18:04.17 | m4ggus | aa |
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| 18:04.23 | m4ggus | ups :s sry |
| 18:04.34 | Antaga | back:) |
| 18:04.38 | somnambulant | 13:55 < wols_> somnambulant: then dist-upgrade |
| 18:04.40 | somnambulant | 13:55 < wols_> somnambulant: then dist-upgrade |
| 18:04.47 | somnambulant | woops sorry |
| 18:05.00 | PiousMinion | Would there be any harm in renaming "apt-get" to "apt-get.bak" and then making a symlink named "apt-get" that points to "aptitude" ?? |
| 18:05.01 | Ace2016 | just wondering but when i setup the raid 1 with no data in it, it started to sync, how come? |
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| 18:07.29 | rahul | PiousMinion: that's what shell aliases are for |
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| 18:07.47 | somnambulant | is dist-upgrade the same as upgrade, and if not upgrade 1st, then dist-upgrade, after a fresh install? |
| 18:08.33 | PiousMinion | rahul: in most cases yes, but that doesn't exactly answer my question. |
| 18:09.59 | mordy | still having trouble with the usb :( |
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| 18:11.06 | patco444 | Proactol™ is a groundbreaking development in weight loss treatment, and is exactly what over weight people have been waiting for - http://track.moreniche.com/hit.php?w=119443&s=38 |
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| 18:12.55 | mordy | uhhh |
| 18:12.56 | wols_ | somnambulant: it's not |
| 18:13.41 | cr3 | alizee's hot |
| 18:13.45 | somnambulant | wols_: do you think I will need to do a dist-upgrade after a fresh install of 4.0r3? |
| 18:14.00 | cr3 | ^rhyme |
| 18:14.07 | wols_ | somnambulant: yes |
| 18:14.40 | somnambulant | wols_: ok great thanks, but i should do upgrade first right, and then dist-upgrade? |
| 18:14.49 | wols_ | no |
| 18:15.05 | wols_ | somnambulant: is security.debian.org in your sources.list? |
| 18:15.14 | somnambulant | ahh ok, dist-upgrade, and then upgrade? |
| 18:15.30 | wols_ | no |
| 18:15.35 | somnambulant | wols_: haven't finished the install yet.. |
| 18:15.42 | somnambulant | will put it in though for sure |
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| 18:17.02 | somnambulant | ok, so just dist-upgrade -- ty! |
| 18:17.41 | DeFirence | hi all, how can i change my eth0 ip? i cant use 'ip' because it says it doesnt exist and i tried aptitude install ip but that doesnt exist either? |
| 18:17.53 | CharminTheMoose | is it part of the debian free philosphy to NOT compile sox without mp3 encoding support? |
| 18:18.09 | wols_ | DeFirence: how do you get your IP? static or dhcp? |
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| 18:18.19 | DeFirence | wols_, static |
| 18:18.26 | wols_ | CharminTheMoose: encoding mp3 is patentet |
| 18:18.31 | wols_ | !tell DeFirence about interfaces |
| 18:18.51 | DeFirence | ok ty |
| 18:19.38 | CharminTheMoose | ok. excellent. |
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| 18:20.52 | cr3 | so winamp bought the patent or what? |
| 18:21.01 | cr3 | and everything |
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| 18:21.42 | somnambulant | wow- debian boots fast, and is a fast system |
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| 18:24.05 | somnambulant | wols_: one more question and i wont bother you anymore ;) -- just for clarity.. after a fresh install of 4.0r3- 1st add the security line to the sources, the "aptitude update", then "aptitude dist-upgrade".. and that's it no "aptitude upgrade" |
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| 18:24.56 | DeFirence | wols_, ive now installed debian in a virtual machine on ubuntu since ive been trying to get my routing script running for days now with no luck on ubuntu :/ |
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| 18:26.23 | wols_ | DeFirence: what routing script and why a special one? |
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| 18:26.32 | wols_ | somnambulant: yes |
| 18:27.26 | DeFirence | wols_, its a simple script that forwards port x to xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:xxx via interface x |
| 18:27.39 | DeFirence | but no matter what i do i cant get it working |
| 18:28.04 | DeFirence | i had roughly the same script working on debian before i had an hdd crash... |
| 18:28.18 | wols_ | DeFirence: using ipmasq? |
| 18:28.32 | DeFirence | no, using iptables, ip route and ip rule |
| 18:28.34 | somnambulant | wols_: thanks very much-- Actually the software update icon in the taskbar is saying I can install "linux-image-2.6.18-6-686" - should i go ahead and do that first? |
| 18:28.38 | BrahmsC | where cna i find videos from debian conferences ? |
| 18:28.42 | wols_ | DeFirence: are ypi isomg oü,asq |
| 18:28.53 | wols_ | `*are you using ipmasq |
| 18:29.03 | DeFirence | no |
| 18:29.10 | DeFirence | not that i know of? |
| 18:29.11 | DeFirence | :S |
| 18:29.38 | DeFirence | http://defirence.pastebin.com/f3aff5364 |
| 18:29.38 | DawnLight | hi DeFirence |
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| 18:29.41 | DeFirence | thats my script |
| 18:29.54 | DeFirence | hi DawnLight - i remember you from some time back :P |
| 18:30.10 | DawnLight | yes -- did you put up a radio station? |
| 18:30.12 | PiousMinion | Ok, idk what happened but "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" used to give me a LOT more options and create an xorg.conf that actually had info about my hardware. What gives? Suggestions? |
| 18:30.25 | DeFirence | ahh yes that was me DawnLight |
| 18:30.35 | DawnLight | I've made a local repository for my preinstalled debian project; this is for |
| 18:30.35 | DawnLight | faster automatic installation of the systems. I've made the repository with |
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| 18:30.43 | wols_ | DeFirence: why do you set up routes manually? |
| 18:30.46 | DawnLight | oops. bad enters |
| 18:30.57 | DeFirence | wols_, how else could i set that up? |
| 18:31.23 | wols_ | !tell DeFirence about interfaces |
| 18:31.30 | wols_ | read it for a change |
| 18:31.42 | DeFirence | err, that has nothing to do with my routing script |
| 18:31.56 | DawnLight | I've made a local repository for my preinstalled debian project; this is for faster automatic installation of the systems. I've made the repository with the bpo reprepro. I don't know how to sign the repository. I've never used signatures, gnupg or any of these terms. Can anyone give me a run-down of how to do this? There aren't any security issues here -- All I want is that my local repository will be trusted by the clients. |
| 18:32.11 | tao36 | messed up alsa trying to do a "clean" reinstall any sugestion? debian ppc sid ibook g3 800 |
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| 18:32.35 | wols_ | DeFirence: the question is why set up routing manually? |
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| 18:33.17 | DeFirence | wols_, im only setting up that routing manually because as far as i know linux cant read your mind and route how you want? |
| 18:33.25 | tao36 | !alsa |
| 18:33.25 | dpkg | ALSA is the Advanced Linux Sound Architecture. Debian has documentation at http://wiki.debian.org/ALSA or see <alsa install>, <alsa-checklist>, or <alsa firmware> |
| 18:33.30 | DeFirence | did you even look at my script? |
| 18:33.44 | tao36 | !alsa install |
| 18:33.44 | dpkg | "apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils", or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to ALSA (ask about <devdsp>). You may also need libesd-alsa0 if you're using ESD-based applications. |
| 18:34.05 | DawnLight | DeFirence: can you please tell wols_ that i love him and want to be friends again |
| 18:34.07 | wols_ | DeFirence: setting up routing is done via /etc/network/interfaces why use a special script? |
| 18:34.19 | DawnLight | DeFirence: ^ is right |
| 18:34.33 | tao36 | !alsa-checklist |
| 18:34.33 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 18:34.51 | DawnLight | !tell tao36 about self tell |
| 18:35.37 | wols_ | DeFirence: that /sbin/iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i ppp0 --dport 5900 -j DNAT --to 192.168.2.2:5900 |
| 18:35.47 | wols_ | is a working port forward if the FORWARD chain allows it btw |
| 18:36.05 | tao36 | DawnLight: think |
| 18:36.08 | tao36 | sorry |
| 18:36.33 | DawnLight | funny user. hehe |
| 18:36.36 | DeFirence | wols_, yes, but that isnt going to route via pppx |
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| 18:36.49 | pbn | Hello, I still got the same problem with VMware on Debian lenny. It appears to be related to libx11-6. Look at 486507 ... They say I should downgrade to libx11-6 2:1.0.3-7 but I do aptitude install libx11-6=2:1.0.3-7 |
| 18:36.57 | pbn | and all I get is Unable to find a version "2:1.0.3-7" for the package "libx11-6" |
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| 18:37.37 | DeFirence | wols_, the other reason i wrote the script like it is, is because ive been using ubuntu |
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| 18:37.46 | PiousMinion | How do I configure xorg for my hardware on lenny? |
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| 18:40.59 | BrahmsC | now the install is done, i can't see the screen |
| 18:41.17 | BrahmsC | pitch black |
| 18:42.24 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me how to sign my local repository, please? |
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| 18:46.35 | mordy | ok, i've got the logs from the installer - http://paste.lisp.org/display/63948 - i can't seem to see anything abnormal about them |
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| 18:47.46 | neonlightning | with my 7button mouse i tried setting the device in xorg.conf to the event-mouse in by-id and that just made my mouse go nuts and almost totally lock up my system at the same time but i switched driver from mouse to evdev and now its working but i still can't get any xev output from buttons 6 or 7 |
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| 18:55.13 | mordy | gah |
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| 18:57.10 | gumpish | tcpdump should be able to capture packets that are set to be dropped by iptables, right? |
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| 18:59.36 | wols_ | neonlightning: try https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto |
| 18:59.54 | mordy | is there a channel dedicated to installation issues? |
| 19:00.12 | neonlightning | wols_, i'll try it but i think i was already there but i'm just glad i finally got my video card working properly |
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| 19:00.51 | amazon10x | hello |
| 19:01.53 | wols_ | mordy: debian-boot on oftc |
| 19:01.54 | amazon10x | i'm trying to get a little working environment going on my ppc machine. does the first install CD for debian give me a shell and some filesystem tools and whatnot or is it just an installer? |
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| 19:02.08 | wols_ | mordy: but that's mostly about installer bugs and such. here is usually the first place to try |
| 19:02.16 | sha1 | where should I specify global CFLAGS and CXXFLAGS ? |
| 19:02.25 | wols_ | amazon10x: it does. the netinst even gives you that |
| 19:02.35 | wols_ | sha1: /etc/environment |
| 19:02.41 | sha1 | cool thanks |
| 19:02.45 | mordy | i'm wondering that perhaps it's a bug. i can't think of any other reason :( |
| 19:02.46 | wols_ | sha1: that's system wide |
| 19:02.48 | amazon10x | awesomen. thanks, wols_ |
| 19:03.14 | DawnLight | does anyone know how to sign a repo? |
| 19:03.27 | mordy | and google produces on the same things found in the installation manual, or when i see my problem, it's unanswered :-s |
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| 19:04.13 | wols_ | mordy: start by actually describing your problem |
| 19:04.21 | wols_ | mordy: why have you to be told this everytime? |
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| 19:04.59 | mordy | wols - the installer loads and runs - then scans for iso images, but fails to find the iso despite it being located on that partition |
| 19:05.23 | wols_ | you didn't burn the ISO to a CD? |
| 19:05.25 | mordy | furthermore, it fails to detect the partition even when i mount it - and even when i can see it in busybox |
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| 19:05.29 | balasyum | hi |
| 19:05.32 | mordy | wols_ the target computer has no CD |
| 19:05.46 | wols_ | mordy: how do you start the installatin? hd-meda? |
| 19:05.50 | wols_ | *hd media? |
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| 19:06.01 | balasyum | how could I create an USB debian stick with this: http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB with gnome if on my desktop, it takes 5 GB? |
| 19:06.34 | wols_ | balasyum: it doesn't take 5GB |
| 19:06.40 | wols_ | you can have gnome on less than 1GB |
| 19:06.49 | balasyum | and a full system? |
| 19:06.51 | mordy | wols, yes - i downloaded the images from the debian.org server from the /hd-media directory |
| 19:07.05 | enouf | well ~1.7GB i would say |
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| 19:07.33 | PinkFreud | balasyum: get an 8 GB usb stick? |
| 19:07.40 | balasyum | I got an 1GB |
| 19:07.45 | enouf | for a standard-desktop + gnome or whatever |
| 19:07.49 | mordy | i tried both options listed here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en - i tried both the 'easy' and 'flexible' methods - but only to get the same result |
| 19:07.54 | PinkFreud | then you're not putting a full install on :) |
| 19:08.02 | balasyum | use xfce? |
| 19:08.16 | balasyum | and which is the best guide for it? |
| 19:08.18 | wols_ | mordy: what disk controller do you have? |
| 19:08.21 | balasyum | to make a casper system |
| 19:08.40 | balasyum | got to go |
| 19:08.42 | balasyum | back later |
| 19:08.43 | mordy | wols_ USB or local? |
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| 19:08.52 | mordy | wols_ how do i check? |
| 19:08.53 | wols_ | mordy: WHAT results? |
| 19:09.05 | enouf | spanks casper with a balasyum |
| 19:09.11 | wols_ | mordy: USB controllers are not disk controllers |
| 19:10.15 | mordy | wols_ by "Results" i mean that it tells me it can't find an iso image and asks me if i want a deeper scan of the disks - i select yes, but it tells me it still can't find the iso |
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| 19:11.32 | wols_ | mordy: what disk controller do you have? |
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| 19:11.45 | mordy | wols_ how can i check? |
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| 19:11.57 | wols_ | mainboard docs |
| 19:12.22 | mordy | this is some generic laptop - doesn't have that information - but i'll see |
| 19:12.35 | wols_ | lspci |
| 19:13.08 | DawnLight | is there a way to tell aptitude to allow unauthenticated? |
| 19:13.37 | mordy | intel 82801gbm/ghm SATA |
| 19:13.59 | wols_ | that is not enough |
| 19:14.07 | wols_ | can be ICH7 to ICH10 or so |
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| 19:14.13 | mordy | ihc7 |
| 19:14.16 | mordy | sorry |
| 19:14.32 | mordy | "IHC7 Family" |
| 19:14.35 | wols_ | debian works fine with ich7 |
| 19:14.56 | wols_ | dmesg | grep sda |
| 19:14.58 | mordy | wols - the problem is that it's not finding the iso on my usb stick |
| 19:15.14 | wols_ | then you haven't copied it over. jhow is the exact layout of the stick? |
| 19:15.16 | mordy | furthermore, i can't copy the partition to my HD for some odd reason |
| 19:15.31 | wols_ | you don't copy partitions |
| 19:15.41 | wols_ | you create one. and I asked you: dmesg|grep sda |
| 19:15.44 | mordy | *copy the iso |
| 19:15.53 | wols_ | you don't copy the ISO either |
| 19:17.02 | mordy | hmm.. too much to type here :( and this other computer isn't connected |
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| 19:18.03 | mordy | well, for sake of simplicity, let's refer to the target HD as "local hd" and the usb as usb |
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| 19:19.22 | ttyS11 | how can I monitor a linux socket ? |
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| 19:21.13 | mordy | wols_ here - i didn't expect it to look like this http://paste.lisp.org/display/63948#3 |
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| 19:21.34 | sortudo_78 | please! help me with apt-get GPG key, i got an error, and dont know where to start to solve this. |
| 19:21.48 | sortudo_78 | W: GPG error: http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org etch Release: As assinaturas a seguir não puderam ser verificadas devido a chave pública não estar disponÃvel: NO_PUBKEY 394D199524C52AC3 |
| 19:22.22 | wols_ | mordy: your disk seems to be broken |
| 19:22.30 | mordy | wols_ physically? |
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| 19:22.46 | wols_ | that or it the disk doesn't like the usb controller and vice versa |
| 19:22.56 | ootput | wp;d |
| 19:22.58 | ootput | pw;d |
| 19:23.02 | ootput | wp;d |
| 19:23.05 | ootput | wp;s |
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| 19:28.36 | mordy | wols_ why does it give me the same output even after i have taken out the disks? |
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| 19:31.26 | wols_ | it's a log! |
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| 19:32.14 | mordy | hmm.. |
| 19:32.26 | mordy | lol |
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| 19:32.59 | mordy | wols_ - although sda is my flash usb - sdb is my HD with USB controller |
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| 19:34.04 | mordy | here http://paste.lisp.org/display/63948#4 |
| 19:34.47 | Ace2016 | Hi all, how do i force a raid1 array to not sync but to just zero both drives |
| 19:34.59 | Ace2016 | i'm about to reinstall and the thing wants to sync for 4 hours :( |
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| 19:35.58 | neonlightning | wols_, thanks for the link again but nope i've tried actually all but one of those configs in the last 2 hours and i can say that that one won't work due to it using /dev/inputs/mice my last two buttons are noticed without using event1 or in the by-* folder the ones that say event-mouse |
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| 19:36.04 | neonlightning | *arn't |
| 19:36.13 | Jabka | is there a problem with http://ftp.uk.debian.org etch ? |
| 19:36.36 | Jabka | my speed to there is 9K |
| 19:37.10 | mordy | jabka - .de servers always work for me |
| 19:37.10 | Ace2016 | doesn't that mirror just redirect to other mirrors? |
| 19:37.38 | Jabka | it does i didn't knew that |
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| 19:38.06 | BrahmsC | where do i start/stop services ? |
| 19:38.07 | Jabka | ill test the de but i tried the isoc and it to had some problems |
| 19:38.22 | Jabka | Brahmsc , etc/init.d |
| 19:38.25 | BrahmsC | nmap localhost list me a few services that is running |
| 19:38.50 | Jabka | use netstat -inp 127.0.0.1 | grep portno |
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| 19:39.00 | Jabka | oops -anp not inp |
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| 19:42.44 | mordy | what does the sync command do exactly? |
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| 19:43.35 | Rayford | anyone have a CS3 master collection keygen on their comp? |
| 19:44.06 | wols_ | Rayford: stop |
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| 19:45.13 | mordy | wols_ this time it worked - i did "sync" after every operation i did with the disk |
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| 19:47.25 | sha1 | I'm using a xorg.conf file from a previous linux distro, and X starts up, but when I run glxinfo, it says that direct rendering is off. do I have to install a package for opengl or something? |
| 19:47.59 | simonrvn | fucking moron |
| 19:48.11 | simonrvn | asking for keygens... |
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| 19:48.32 | neonlightning | sha1, gotta grab the mesa dri gl packages |
| 19:48.40 | mordy | why would someone need keygens on gnu? isn't everything free anyway? |
| 19:49.04 | sha1 | neonlightning: can you help me out with names? |
| 19:49.28 | neonlightning | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.32 | sha1 | cool thanks |
| 19:49.40 | neonlightning | or atleast that what i had to do for my radeon 9250 |
| 19:49.57 | neonlightning | (took me 2 days non stop to figure that out how sad) |
| 19:50.03 | sha1 | neonlightning: it says they are already the neweest version :| |
| 19:50.38 | neonlightning | hrm if your using a xorg.conf rather then the dexconf one maby you need to add them to your modules section |
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| 19:51.13 | pozic | What's the usual way to set PATH if you use gdm? gdm doesn't run bash, so .bashrc etc. don't run. |
| 19:51.26 | sha1 | neonlightning: ahhhh nm I didn't run glxinfo as root |
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| 19:51.37 | neonlightning | ahh |
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| 19:52.02 | sha1 | now to choose a WM :D |
| 19:52.08 | simonrvn | mordy: it's dumb, not worth the time to talk about it |
| 19:52.10 | sich | how can i disable Default keyring by wireless connection? |
| 19:52.17 | mordy | ok |
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| 19:53.05 | smacnay | hmm, which to install or keep installed... liblame0 or libmp3lame0 - one is a Debian package and the other a Deb-multimedia package. |
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| 19:53.35 | neonlightning | sha1, i suggest fluxbox:) |
| 19:54.40 | sha1 | neonlightning: why? :) |
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| 19:54.49 | sha1 | neonlightning: that's an actual question, not a sarcastic remark |
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| 19:55.06 | karabatak | hi everybody |
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| 19:55.30 | neonlightning | i just find once you get used to the 4 main files its very efficent takes little to no res and is alot easier to get a good theme going |
| 19:55.41 | sha1 | cool |
| 19:55.44 | sha1 | I'll try it out :D |
| 19:55.48 | sha1 | any pointers? |
| 19:55.59 | Fifty_monsters | I have a compile error trying to build gcc-4.0.3 . The compiler cant find /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h , but stubs.h and stubs-64.h are present. Do you know what I should do? (not a debian system) |
| 19:56.08 | neonlightning | hang out in the flux channel and talk to fbot alot to learn the keys apps startup and menu files |
| 19:56.14 | Fifty_monsters | I have a compile error trying to build gcc-4.0.3 . The compiler cant find /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h , but stubs.h and stubs-64.h are present. Do you know what I should do? (not a debian system) |
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| 19:56.25 | Fifty_monsters | I have a compile error trying to build gcc-4.0.3 . The compiler cant find /usr/include/gnu/stubs-32.h , but stubs.h and stubs-64.h are present. Do you know what I should do? (not a debian system) |
| 19:56.38 | simonrvn | !tell Fifty_monsters about repeat |
| 19:56.46 | simonrvn | !tell Fifty_monsters about why debian |
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| 19:56.58 | simonrvn | Fifty_monsters: we don't support non-debian here |
| 19:57.08 | orges | give the path to the headers |
| 19:57.26 | simonrvn | Fifty_monsters: don't repeat like that, not only is it annoying, you could earn a ban |
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| 19:58.02 | Fifty_monsters | simonrvn: sorry, I didn't know I had repeated , irssi froze |
| 19:58.18 | simonrvn | oh, nm then |
| 19:58.23 | Fifty_monsters | orges: How do I do that? |
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| 19:59.57 | Yoshinoya | hey i am new to irc |
| 20:00.00 | Yoshinoya | i need help |
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| 20:00.07 | Yoshinoya | i am trying to join #asterisk |
| 20:00.22 | Yoshinoya | but i keep getting that I need to be identified |
| 20:00.22 | karabatak | i have a problem with screen resolition.... i have a laptop and the resolution have stuck in 1600X1200... i couldnt change it with screen resolution tool... and in the xorg.conf file there is no any section related to screen resolution... i am using debian lenny beta 2... who could help me |
| 20:00.37 | stew | Yoshinoya: /msg NickServ help register |
| 20:00.40 | wald0 | how i can set a configuration that i have in /etc/ssh/ssh_config in my user home ssh conf dir ? |
| 20:00.48 | Yoshinoya | i registered an acct |
| 20:00.54 | Yoshinoya | do i have to d/c and connect again? |
| 20:01.12 | pozic | Yoshinoya: you need to identify |
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| 20:01.21 | Yoshinoya | whats the command to identify |
| 20:01.23 | Yoshinoya | after i register an acct? |
| 20:01.24 | karabatak | i want to change it to 1280X800 |
| 20:01.32 | stew | Yoshinoya: no, /msg nickserv help identify |
| 20:01.39 | sich | any idea, about disable wireless default keyring on Etch? |
| 20:01.53 | sha1 | neonlightning: okay I have a query window open with fbot, and have seen the help output, but I don't know what to ask him heh |
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| 20:01.56 | sha1 | nm |
| 20:02.20 | wald0 | ok, i have found it in the man :) its called "config" instead of ssh_config |
| 20:02.22 | stew | karabatak: xrandr -s 1280x800 |
| 20:02.38 | Yoshinoya | it says, "you are already logged in as Yoshinoya" but when i type to join # asterisk |
| 20:02.46 | Yoshinoya | it says "You must be identified to joint his channel" |
| 20:02.55 | karabatak | stew:ok i will tray |
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| 20:03.07 | streuner | stew: what was the problem? |
| 20:03.18 | stew | streuner: with what? |
| 20:03.36 | streuner | stew: you stay with +o lateley |
| 20:03.54 | streuner | stew: stayed* |
| 20:04.10 | streuner | stew: scriptkiddies? |
| 20:04.11 | stew | it was a mistake |
| 20:04.14 | streuner | hm |
| 20:04.14 | stew | what? |
| 20:04.21 | streuner | nm |
| 20:04.32 | wald0 | btw, is there a "timetout" set somewhere ? since a while, in my ssh logins to the server i have a kind of "timeout", my terminal doesn't reply at all |
| 20:04.36 | karabatak | stew: Size 1280x800 not found in available modes |
| 20:04.39 | Strogg | so.. question for people. What's likely easier to do.. porting a package from stable to testing, or from unstable to testing? I would think the latter, correct? |
| 20:04.44 | karabatak | it sad |
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| 20:05.14 | streuner | Strogg: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 20:05.15 | greeg | hi, what package installs man pages for system calls? |
| 20:05.30 | Strogg | streuner: hrmm thanks. I'll check that out |
| 20:05.34 | stew | greeg: manpages-dev |
| 20:05.39 | sich | any idea, about disable wireless default keyring on Etch? |
| 20:05.46 | stew | karabatak: is that a resolution that your monitor is capable of? |
| 20:07.10 | Yoshinoya | hey can anyone else get into #asterisk? |
| 20:07.21 | streuner | Strogg: /msg dpkg backport too |
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| 20:07.47 | stew | Yoshinoya: there are 218 people in #asterisk currently |
| 20:08.00 | karabatak | stew: yes of course in windows i was using this resolution and before i have tried some kind of linux distrubitions... some of them have detected correctly some of them not |
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| 20:09.37 | stew | karabatak: for some reason that is not being detected as a valid mode, which might be a problem of the video driver. check /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see if you see a reason why. if not, you might try specifying it explicitly in a screen section, or you might need to provide a modeline in a monitor section |
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| 20:10.16 | wols_ | karabatak: what videocard/driver? |
| 20:10.29 | Yoshinoya | hrm...I mean I registered and logged in as Yoshinoya |
| 20:10.32 | Yoshinoya | is there any step I am missing? |
| 20:10.57 | stew | Yoshinoya: you need to identify |
| 20:11.22 | Yoshinoya | is identifying the same as / msg nickserv identify user pass? |
| 20:11.28 | stew | Yoshinoya: yes |
| 20:11.35 | Yoshinoya | but i did that and it says |
| 20:11.43 | Yoshinoya | You are already logged in as Yoshinoya |
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| 20:11.48 | Yoshinoya | is there a chance my username is bad? |
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| 20:11.55 | sha1 | neonlightning: you're right... fluxbox is pretty sweet :D |
| 20:11.59 | stew | Yoshinoya: no, but you should ask #freenode for help |
| 20:12.39 | karabatak | wols: unichrome pro.... in debian lenny is using openchrome driver.... even it has dri support |
| 20:13.10 | Yoshinoya | ok thanks stew |
| 20:13.46 | sich | any idea, about disable wireless default keyring on Etch? |
| 20:13.52 | sich | :) |
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| 20:14.19 | wols_ | karabatak: poor you |
| 20:14.19 | Yoshinoya | oh, I had to check my email bc they sent a verification |
| 20:14.21 | Yoshinoya | thanks guys |
| 20:14.23 | Yoshinoya | for helping out |
| 20:15.05 | karabatak | Section "Monitor"Identifier"Configured Monitor" EndSection Section "Screen" Identifier"Default Screen"Monitor"Configured Monitor" EndSection |
| 20:15.43 | karabatak | wols: :) i know but it has better support then before |
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| 20:17.21 | yargoflick | hey guys I just updated my kernel to 2.6.25, and now I don't see anything about batteries and such in /proc/acpi. any ideas? |
| 20:18.03 | ttyS11 | how can I view the activity of a socket or program ? I'm trying to troubleshoot the communication between two programs |
| 20:19.05 | yargoflick | oh ya, there's a /proc/acpi/power_resource/ directory, but there's nothing in it. |
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| 20:20.01 | PeterFA | How do I search the installed repositories in command line? |
| 20:20.15 | simonrvn | !tell PeterFA -about search |
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| 20:20.35 | streuner | simonrvn: damn, you're fast :-) |
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| 20:21.21 | simonrvn | naw |
| 20:22.15 | streuner | sometimes you are slow :-P |
| 20:22.22 | simonrvn | hm, nice, if that radar map is right, and shows moisture, and the wind direction and speed is constant, we'll get rain in ~3 hours \o/ |
| 20:22.36 | simonrvn | i'm slow when i'm checking scrollback ;) |
| 20:23.31 | streuner | :-) |
| 20:23.58 | karabatak | stew: /var/log/xorg.0.log file is to compliceted nearly i didnt understant anything... i will try to add screen resolution modes in screen section but i dont know how could you give me an example |
| 20:24.07 | PeterFA | Installing software is really hard when you have no idea the names of the packages. |
| 20:24.45 | simonrvn | read what the bot told you (re: apt-cache) |
| 20:24.46 | streuner | PeterFA: you don't have to :-) |
| 20:24.48 | wols_ | PeterFA: apt-cache search browser | less for example |
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| 20:25.34 | yargoflick | PeterFa: or try browsing using 'aptitude' and browsing by category |
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| 20:27.10 | streuner | argh, .tr coffee taste very well... |
| 20:27.46 | yargoflick | PeterFa: aptitude also allows some pretty fancy searching. press '/' to search, use '~dsome text' to search package descriptions for something. without the ~d it just searches package names. |
| 20:28.07 | streuner | http://88.191.12.106:9000 listen to that :-) |
| 20:28.27 | streuner | (MOROW) live from Paris ;-) |
| 20:28.35 | yargoflick | streuner: I'm afraid it'll be rick astley |
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| 20:29.09 | streuner | just listen to good ROCK ;-) |
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| 20:30.11 | neonlightning | rocks don't tend to make much noise unless hitting something |
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| 20:30.39 | neonlightning | so what is a good rock a pet rock that doesn't make a mess on the carpet? |
| 20:31.40 | yargoflick | neonlightning: a good rock always hits its target, no matter how feeble the throw. |
| 20:31.42 | streuner | neonlightning: [ ] You didn't ever listen to Dream Theater :-) |
| 20:31.54 | neonlightning | :P |
| 20:32.12 | neonlightning | i used to have a dream theater album but my sister dragged a paperclip along it |
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| 20:32.32 | neonlightning | same time she destroyed my coalchamer rammstein and mastodon albums |
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| 20:32.39 | neonlightning | *coal chamber |
| 20:32.55 | yargoflick | anyone else using the 2.6.25 kernel? |
| 20:33.40 | jescis | there's a new kernel? o.O |
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| 20:33.52 | streuner | yargoflick: whats the question? |
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| 20:34.11 | soulchild | Hi all,... I am looking for a linux handy, any advise ? |
| 20:34.15 | PaTriN | join #debian.de |
| 20:34.29 | PaTriN | sry for the noise |
| 20:34.58 | yargoflick | streuner: cat find /proc/acpi/battery in 2.6.25 kernel and was wondering if anyone knew the acpi battery info layout. for it. |
| 20:35.03 | simonrvn | soulchild: what's "linux handy"? |
| 20:35.28 | simonrvn | ..and you probably mean "advice", not "advise" |
| 20:36.05 | streuner | simonrvn: i think, he meant a call phone |
| 20:36.22 | PaTriN | cell phone |
| 20:36.33 | streuner | simonrvn: handy is the german word for a phone.... |
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| 20:36.36 | streuner | yes |
| 20:36.57 | intr80_ | yargoflick : you sure you compiled it into your image? |
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| 20:37.28 | streuner | PaTriN: Eckenfels, are you a DD? |
| 20:37.32 | simonrvn | advice -> adv(long i)ss advise -> adv(long i)z |
| 20:37.53 | yargoflick | intr80_: yup, but I got a /proc/acpi/power_resource/ directory with nothing under it instead of the old battery directories. |
| 20:37.55 | PaTriN | streuner: no. why? |
| 20:38.13 | streuner | PaTriN: Eckenfels is a DD too, but other first name |
| 20:38.32 | PaTriN | ^^ |
| 20:38.36 | intr80_ | yargoflick : is the hardware recognized? that just means that the subsystem is configured |
| 20:39.04 | intr80_ | yaroflick: look for clues in dmesg| less |
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| 20:42.33 | yargoflick | intr80_: if I use 'acpi -b' it give the correct battery info, but I still don't see anything under /proc/acpi. gkrellm, and some other apps I have use the /proc directory not libacpi, and and glitching. |
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| 20:43.58 | jescis | Do I need POSIX message queues in the kernel? |
| 20:44.19 | wols_ | why leaev them out? |
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| 20:44.45 | jescis | I know not what they're for |
| 20:44.56 | wols_ | IPC |
| 20:45.14 | wols_ | and if you don't: why compile a kernel and fudge with the config? |
| 20:45.36 | jescis | good point |
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| 20:47.07 | trinux | jescis: during the config procedure you can lookup an explanation to every single option. additionally there is documentation in the source package. and you can read on the web about kernel internals |
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| 20:47.33 | trinux | like "what is inter process communication" |
| 20:47.34 | neonlightning | dpkg mentioned songbird when i was asking about xmms but i don't see that in the repos |
| 20:47.35 | dpkg | neonlightning: You are moron #1 |
| 20:47.42 | neonlightning | woot |
| 20:47.57 | trinux | looks at dpkg |
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| 20:48.21 | wols_ | trinux: lines starting with "dpkg..." are a trigger |
| 20:49.03 | trinux | oh, haha |
| 20:49.08 | trinux | !dpkg |
| 20:49.09 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 20:49.38 | dansushi | how does one change the login manager from kdm to gdm? |
| 20:49.47 | wols_ | install kdm |
| 20:49.53 | trinux | can you see who added this trigger to dpkg? |
| 20:50.03 | valdyn | !factinfo dpkg |
| 20:50.04 | dpkg | dpkg -- last modified at Fri Feb 1 00:51:34 2008 by JordiGH!n=jordi@201.141.113.210; it has been requested 166 times, last by trinux, 55s ago. |
| 20:50.07 | wols_ | the dpkg trigger is inheren. no one did |
| 20:50.12 | wols_ | ah that factoid |
| 20:50.16 | dansushi | wols_: were you talking to me? |
| 20:50.24 | wols_ | dansushi: yes |
| 20:50.30 | trinux | its hardcoded?! |
| 20:50.33 | dansushi | um.. what do you mean by install kdm? |
| 20:50.43 | valdyn | oo |
| 20:50.47 | avu | dansushi, just install the display manager you want to use |
| 20:50.56 | wols_ | trinux: triggers are part of the bot setup, dpkg, ! are its triggers |
| 20:50.59 | dansushi | well, i already installed gdm |
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| 20:51.03 | wols_ | dansushi: so? |
| 20:51.06 | dansushi | it's been installed for a while |
| 20:51.11 | avu | dansushi, or if you already have both installed and want to switch, dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 20:51.14 | dansushi | but right now, kdm is being used |
| 20:51.25 | dansushi | avu: thanks |
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| 20:51.47 | wols_ | dansushi: update-alternatives |
| 20:51.51 | mordy | wols_ the solution was to sync after every operation |
| 20:51.56 | wols_ | x-display-amanger it is I think |
| 20:52.36 | dansushi | avu: do you know of any way to change the resolution that gdm uses? |
| 20:52.37 | valdyn | oh |
| 20:52.38 | valdyn | no |
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| 20:52.44 | valdyn | dpkg-reconfigure should do it |
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| 20:52.58 | valdyn | or just editing /etc/X11/default-display-manager yourself |
| 20:52.58 | mordy | but even like this - i can't manage to succeed in doing the 'flexible' way, nor can i copy a 644MB iso to my flash disk, despite it being 2GB capacity - i get a "disk full" error - although it accepts a netinstall iso or businesscard iso |
| 20:53.00 | avu | dansushi, just change your xorg.conf accordingly |
| 20:53.11 | avu | dansushi, it's nothing dm-specific |
| 20:53.17 | dansushi | oh.. |
| 20:53.27 | trinux | neonlightning: you still wondering about songbird? |
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| 20:53.46 | valdyn | mordy: how are you copying it? |
| 20:53.56 | dansushi | well, i've been in my xorg.conf file and tried to fix it. the thing is, it's displaying kde in the right resolution, but kdm is in a resolution that isn't even in my xorg.conf file |
| 20:54.11 | mordy | valdyn cp <.iso> <mountpoint> |
| 20:54.49 | valdyn | mordy: well, what does "df -h | grep <mountpoint>" give? |
| 20:55.00 | dansushi | valdyn: why you said to edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager, what should i add to make it go at a different resolution? |
| 20:55.18 | valdyn | dansushi: that was for your question about switching kdm to gdm |
| 20:55.31 | dansushi | oh |
| 20:55.51 | mordy | valdyn - let me redo the procedure - this will takea few minutes |
| 20:55.56 | trinux | test: |
| 20:55.59 | trinux | dpkg said nice things |
| 20:56.00 | dpkg | trinux: are you using Windows? |
| 20:56.07 | valdyn | mordy: why? thats not needed to answer my question |
| 20:56.23 | mordy | valdyn - currently it gives me nothing |
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| 20:56.34 | valdyn | mordy: so its not mounted, ok |
| 20:56.48 | mordy | yes - i need to remount it |
| 20:56.50 | yargoflick | dansushi: I don't use gdm or the like, but try man gdm and see what she says. May or may not be useful. |
| 20:57.04 | dansushi | yargoflick: ok |
| 20:57.05 | mordy | but i need to do the zcat ... > ... again |
| 20:57.17 | valdyn | dansushi: X uses the max resolution of your lcd display by default |
| 20:57.48 | valdyn | dansushi: unless you specified a line with modes in /etc/X11/xorg.conf, then the first mode in that line is used |
| 20:57.56 | dansushi | valdyn: it's doing a resolution so high that i have to drag my mouse around the screen to see all of the screen |
| 20:57.59 | dansushi | if you know what i mean |
| 20:58.10 | mordy | which takes about a minute |
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| 20:58.15 | dansushi | valdyn: the first mode is the resolution that i want |
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| 20:58.44 | valdyn | dansushi: thats not telling me much about your resulution, just that the X screen is bigger than the actual resolution |
| 20:58.50 | dansushi | http://pastebin.com/m20cfbef9 |
| 20:59.10 | dansushi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:59.19 | dansushi | the first mode, "1680x1050", is the one i want |
| 20:59.25 | valdyn | dansushi: you dont need that line at all i think but |
| 20:59.26 | neonlightning | trinux, yea sorry was changing the kid i'm sitting |
| 20:59.28 | dansushi | but it's doing "1680x1260" |
| 20:59.30 | mordy | valdyn - i see the problem now - but why is this - it says 239 capacity |
| 20:59.40 | valdyn | dansushi: your very specific problem is solved if you just remove that mode "1600x1200" |
| 20:59.52 | mordy | i guess it's because it's trying to emulate a zip drive - or at least so i've read somewhere |
| 21:00.02 | dansushi | but it's not doing "1600x1200", it's doing "1680x1260" |
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| 21:00.19 | valdyn | dansushi: the whole line should be redundant though as X gets plenty modes automagically from your monitors edid |
| 21:00.55 | neonlightning | trinux, i just can't find anything as a good alternative to xmms i was getting used to mpd in pclos but i see that the debian one has pulseaudio as a dep |
| 21:01.02 | dansushi | valdyn: so, how can i fix it to do a certain resolution? |
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| 21:01.43 | valdyn | dansushi: sec, i need to look that up |
| 21:01.53 | trinux | neonlightning: it seems like the license of songbird does not allow packaging. so you need to get it from http://www.songbirdnest.com/download and maybe the little guide at http://www.debianadmin.com/install-songbird-and-play-your-music.html can help you. as an alternative to songbird you can try amarok or if you dont like KDE stuff on your system rhythmbox could work also |
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| 21:02.05 | yargoflick | neonlightning: audacious? personally I like moc |
| 21:02.17 | valdyn | dansushi: man xorg.conf, see look for "Virtual" |
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| 21:02.54 | valdyn | dansushi: if Virtual is the same as the first as the first entry in the Modes line, then you get that resolution with no scrolling |
| 21:03.00 | neonlightning | i tried mocp but it couldn't handle my songlist kept crashing and audacious i find too bloated and i don't know if it has xosd and songchange plugins or if i can control it from cli |
| 21:03.16 | pozic | neonlightning: how large is your songlist? |
| 21:03.24 | neonlightning | over 6k |
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| 21:04.22 | trinux | then forget about stuff like rhythmbox. thats not going to be fun |
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| 21:04.27 | yargoflick | neonlightning: you could use aptitude and check out reverse dependances on libxosd2 |
| 21:04.47 | dansushi | valdyn: what do you mean by "see look for virtual"? |
| 21:05.17 | neonlightning | trinux, yea i'm not a fan of the wmp itunes winamp3/5 look and feel |
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| 21:05.46 | valdyn | dansushi: look for "Virtual" in "man xorg.conf" |
| 21:05.51 | neonlightning | just managed to crash quodlibet trying to add my songs to a playlist aswell lol |
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| 21:06.07 | dansushi | valdyn: is there a search feature in man? |
| 21:06.11 | sich | what is about this error by upgrade to lenny ? open: 46407; closed: 44643; defer: 0; conflict: 11 |
| 21:06.18 | valdyn | dansushi: the "/" |
| 21:06.19 | trinux | neonlightning: file bug reports :) |
| 21:06.20 | simonrvn | dansushi: yes |
| 21:06.20 | dansushi | or do you literally want me to go looking for it? |
| 21:06.27 | dansushi | oh, t hanks |
| 21:06.37 | yargoflick | neonlightning: I haven't tried it, but what about xmms2 |
| 21:06.38 | neonlightning | trifler, i don't have gdb so i don't know whats the actual cause behind it |
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| 21:07.14 | neonlightning | the only frontend to xmms2 i've found usable isn't very usable because its more like back when xmms was linamp |
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| 21:07.34 | jescis | I like orpheus :/ |
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| 21:07.41 | trinux | yeah the frontends for xmms2 are not very mature |
| 21:07.48 | simonrvn | xmms2 is nice, but the frontends suck hard |
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| 21:07.53 | neonlightning | yep |
| 21:08.07 | simonrvn | nothing original or usable :( |
| 21:08.15 | neonlightning | i just wish mpd didn't NEED pulse i've had nothing but troubles in all 4 distros i've tried it in |
| 21:08.35 | wd | what's command using apt or aptitude "cli" to see list of installed apps? |
| 21:08.37 | sich | !dpkg |
| 21:08.37 | dpkg | [dpkg] the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 21:08.48 | pozic | neonlightning: if you care about software that much, just compile from source. |
| 21:08.56 | avu | wd, dpkg -l |
| 21:08.58 | sich | bcm43 |
| 21:09.02 | wd | avu: ty |
| 21:09.09 | dansushi | valdyn: I do not have a virtual subsection in my xorg.conf file |
| 21:09.09 | trinux | well |
| 21:09.14 | neonlightning | yea i've been thinking about it i generally run mplayer and fluxbox from source |
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| 21:09.18 | dansushi | areyou saying that i should put one there? |
| 21:09.29 | valdyn | dansushi: who the hell talked about a subsection like that? |
| 21:09.43 | simonrvn | pulse works ok for me. when i first started using it, it worked like ass, but then the default conf got better, and was set up like i set it, now it Just Works =). |
| 21:09.44 | valdyn | dansushi: why dont you just do what i told you at first, remove the 1600x1200 mode? |
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| 21:09.52 | dansushi | well, i'm reading the part that says virtual in man xorg.conf |
| 21:09.55 | jescis | trinux: I was at http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html that linked to the kernel howto at http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/kernel-HOWTO.html and they took it down for revising. what site should I go to, or keywords to search for on google? :/ |
| 21:10.16 | trinux | jescis: let me see what i can dig up |
| 21:10.22 | valdyn | dansushi: im sure the manpage does not mention that that was a subsection |
| 21:10.23 | pozic | Mplayer is broken in debian in more than one way; maybe some political reason? |
| 21:10.27 | neonlightning | simonrvn, idk i don't personally find pulse in a state where it should be a dep for stuff its got great potential but... |
| 21:10.35 | samplr | etch is supposed to support mipsel, but there aren't any mipsel packages in here: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/ |
| 21:10.46 | neonlightning | pozic, ? |
| 21:11.09 | pozic | neonlightning: not everything is enabled when compared to a vanilla source build. |
| 21:11.14 | neonlightning | ahh |
| 21:11.20 | yargoflick | wd: dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:11.27 | pozic | Or licensing issues... |
| 21:11.29 | simonrvn | oh yeh, it's not that mature, granted, but for many common sounds devices it seem to work well |
| 21:11.36 | simonrvn | sound* |
| 21:11.36 | PerfDave | Anybody know why my 82801H (ICH8) audio isn't working under Lenny? alsaconf finds it, alsamixer has the Master and PCM volumes up high. |
| 21:11.42 | neonlightning | pozic, i seem to recall there was something like debian-multimedia that had a more featured version |
| 21:11.51 | pozic | neonlightning: I was even referring to that one. |
| 21:11.58 | valdyn | pozic: patent reasons |
| 21:12.09 | dansushi | valdyn: sorry, it was in the display subsection |
| 21:12.24 | wd | yargoflick: ty |
| 21:12.38 | neonlightning | yea i tend to install libdvdcss libdvdnav and mplayer from source for reasons like that |
| 21:12.44 | neonlightning | me its not that i want more features its i want less |
| 21:13.10 | pozic | And patents don't apply to source code? |
| 21:13.21 | trinux | jescis: main head quarter for curious people: http://kernelnewbies.org/ - then: http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 21:13.42 | Eulex | samplr, did you try following the links from http://www.debian.org/distrib/ ? |
| 21:13.45 | trinux | jescis: the ebook i had in mind has only an example chapter. not sure if you wanna buy an entire book just to learn some things |
| 21:13.52 | valdyn | pozic: the US has the concept of patentable ideas |
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| 21:14.04 | valdyn | pozic: that includes source code |
| 21:14.23 | samplr | Eulex: I'm looking for an apt mirror |
| 21:14.40 | wd | avu: about to try 2.6 kernel i'm using sarge 2.4.27.3 on very old laptop..after i use aptitude can i go to /usr/src, make menuconfig and load current 2.4 kernel config as well as +/- fuctions |
| 21:14.53 | jescis | trinux: if it ain't free it ain't for me(what I told my Computer science teacher as well;) ) |
| 21:15.05 | pozic | valdyn: and why is Debian bothering non-US countries with these issues too? |
| 21:15.06 | trinux | jescis: very good way to go :) |
| 21:15.16 | valdyn | pozic: i dont know |
| 21:15.17 | avu | wd, you don't have to compile the kernel yourself |
| 21:15.35 | pozic | valdyn: thanks |
| 21:15.36 | valdyn | pozic: personally i would put patent encumbered stuff into non-US, but thats just me |
| 21:15.37 | jescis | trinux: of course the subject was piracy >_> |
| 21:15.39 | avu | wd, but if you do, copying the old .config from 2.4 over and doing make oldconfig should work |
| 21:15.41 | Eulex | samplr, did you take a look on the mirror list? |
| 21:15.44 | valdyn | pozic: and d-m.org works just fine |
| 21:15.49 | Eulex | !mirrors |
| 21:15.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 21:16.18 | pozic | valdyn: what do you mean? |
| 21:16.29 | pozic | valdyn: never mind |
| 21:16.31 | trinux | jescis: most people think because many people leech movies and software from the net its no problem. the harder but nicer path is the freedom kind of way |
| 21:16.33 | valdyn | pozic: debian-multimedia.org works just perfectly fine. |
| 21:16.47 | pozic | valdyn: yes, I got it. It took a while to unify :) |
| 21:16.52 | wd | avu: k... but pretty much 2.6.8 should work off the bat huh/ |
| 21:16.57 | wd | huh? |
| 21:17.09 | samplr | Eulex: yup, and the mirrors I looked at are missing things (like http://sluglug.ucsc.edu/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-mipsel/Packages.gz) |
| 21:17.17 | avu | wd, 2.6.8 can be installed as a binary through apt, yes. not compiling needed. |
| 21:17.31 | samplr | Eulex: and that exists for 8x6 |
| 21:17.33 | samplr | *x86 |
| 21:17.33 | avu | wd, you might want to consider upgrading to eth though |
| 21:17.55 | mordy | :( |
| 21:18.06 | avu | wd, it's not like the hardware requirements of a slim system have changed. and sarge does not get security upgrades anymore. |
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| 21:18.47 | Eulex | samplr, if you had looked at the mirror list, you would have seen that it also lists the arches a mirror has. |
| 21:18.53 | mordy | i don't know why my usb stick won't boot when i manually place the files, make a fat16 fs, etc. |
| 21:18.57 | mordy | what am i doing wrong? |
| 21:18.59 | wd | avu: well long story.. but it's a toshiba satellite 40meg ram, 500m hd, 75-100mhz... :( i tried to get etch but 2.6 kernel and udev was installing and 2.6 would find my pcmcia orinoco wireless 16bit card on reboot. |
| 21:19.18 | valdyn | mordy: copying an iso to a mountpoint is not the thing to do here |
| 21:19.19 | jescis | trinux: true, but unless more companies do more then windoze apps the more likely the people will use them on other OSs(like debian ;) ) Also I know how it is to want people to buy my stuff(I am a performer(music)) |
| 21:19.35 | wd | avu: oops 2.6 didn't reboot wireless card on reboot. |
| 21:19.44 | mordy | valdyn - the installer asks for an iso file - it works - but only with a smaller image |
| 21:19.45 | valdyn | mordy: maybe tell us what exactly you are doing, then ... |
| 21:19.47 | wd | avu: seem that 2.4 has np. |
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| 21:19.59 | valdyn | mordy: i see |
| 21:19.59 | yargoflick | mordy: partition flagged bootable, mbr for device intact, stuff like that maybe? |
| 21:20.06 | Nyle | his bootable usb debian installer can't mount a cd |
| 21:20.08 | avu | wd, well, if the 2.6.18 from etch did not find it, the 2.6.8 from sarge won't be better |
| 21:20.10 | Nyle | or find the iso |
| 21:20.31 | avu | wd, allthough you could so a bit of research on how to get this card working with 2.6, I bet the procedure is just different |
| 21:20.34 | Nyle | apparantly the di is loading, but not finding or mounting the usb key, or iso |
| 21:20.35 | wd | avu: crap i'll see.. but u thnk etch will take? |
| 21:20.37 | mordy | nyle - this is a different problem - the other problem was solved :) |
| 21:20.40 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:20.41 | Nyle | ok |
| 21:20.43 | Nyle | cool |
| 21:20.47 | wols_ | wd: how much RAM, what cpu? |
| 21:20.52 | mordy | nyle - i had to sync after every disk operation |
| 21:20.56 | trinux | eth01: are you checking why debian is better than gentoo? :P |
| 21:20.59 | mordy | yargoflick - yes |
| 21:21.18 | mordy | you know what? i'll do a pastebin - one moment |
| 21:21.23 | wd | wols_: 40m ram, pentium 75-100mhz... toshiba satelite 400cs. |
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| 21:22.05 | wd | wols_: i have sarge now but can't get x going so i might leave as a server client. |
| 21:22.29 | wols_ | wd: 40MB is sticky for X, always imho |
| 21:22.36 | sich | can i add backports in debian server ETCH? |
| 21:22.46 | wols_ | !tell sich about bpo |
| 21:22.52 | yargoflick | mordy: I followed instructions on http://www.pendrivelinux.com/ and she worked out swell for me. I thing I also went to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/ for info. |
| 21:23.00 | wd | wols_: thinking about going to 2.6 kernel...but when i used etch floppies to install wireless didn't get seen..so i used sarge floppies instead. |
| 21:23.25 | wols_ | wd: I kinda doubt sarge could use your wlan. what chip is it? |
| 21:23.33 | mordy | yargoflick - i'm trying to get a normal install working here - maybe i'll try it if all else fails |
| 21:23.48 | mordy | yargoflick - from what i've read, it's a live cd image - but i want an installer |
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| 21:24.14 | sich | thanx wols_ but can i add to debian server to, ? |
| 21:24.23 | mordy | yargoflick - i'm following what it says here : http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 21:24.24 | wd | wols_: sarge works. lucent silver. orinoco.. i'm using wireless now... just thinking of going to 2.6 kernel. |
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| 21:25.20 | wd | wols_: just wondering if i should do kernel upgrade or etch first? |
| 21:25.39 | wols_ | !tell wd about sarge->etch |
| 21:26.27 | sich | wols_: worked backports with debian etch server,? |
| 21:26.50 | yargoflick | mordy: ya, use the debian-live as my portable persistant usb system. never tried the usb installer. |
| 21:27.32 | mordy | yargoflick - usb disks scare me :( |
| 21:29.33 | yargoflick | mordy: truely, usb flash disks are frightening. I only use to travel and show folks the Kenta Cho games. |
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| 21:30.28 | mordy | doh. install-mbr works |
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| 21:30.31 | mordy | doh. |
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| 21:30.52 | yargoflick | mordy: ha, mbr strikes again! |
| 21:30.55 | jhutchins | Core 2 Duo would be ia64, right? Is 4.0 ia64 recommended? |
| 21:30.57 | smacnay | I realize that there is an issue with lame and layer 3 patent problems - can toolame or twolame effectively replace lame for things like encoding music for a portable player? |
| 21:31.26 | wols_ | jhutchins:no it's not ia64. it's amd64. also: how much RAM do you have? |
| 21:31.27 | PerfDave | smacnay: MP3 is patentted. Patents cover *every* implementation. |
| 21:31.31 | PerfDave | jhutchins: No, Core 2 Duo is amd64. |
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| 21:31.50 | Tux_tUX | hola |
| 21:31.51 | jhutchins | PerfDave: Um. Intel Core2 Duo is amd64? |
| 21:31.58 | wols_ | yes it is. |
| 21:32.01 | PerfDave | jhutchins: yes |
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| 21:32.04 | yargoflick | smacnay: toolame will do, but you end up with mp2. the players should play them though. |
| 21:32.17 | wols_ | !tell smacnay about dmm |
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| 21:32.30 | PerfDave | jhutchins: In the same way that an AMD 686 is an i386 processor. |
| 21:32.35 | smacnay | yargoflick, is there a huge difference in file size/quality? |
| 21:32.38 | jhutchins | Ok, so is the amd64 version recommended then? |
| 21:32.40 | smacnay | wols_, thanks |
| 21:32.40 | PerfDave | jhutchins: AMD invented the chipset, Intel implemented it too. |
| 21:32.48 | PerfDave | jhutchins: ia64 is Itanium, totally different. |
| 21:32.50 | yargoflick | smacnay, yes. |
| 21:32.50 | mordy | yargoflick hehe |
| 21:33.18 | wols_ | jhutchins: how much RAM do you have? |
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| 21:33.33 | mordy | jhutchins - if you really feel more comfortable about using a special 'intel' kernel, then you can try the em64t transition package |
| 21:33.45 | valdyn | haha |
| 21:34.09 | valdyn | mordy: im not sure he can see the implications |
| 21:34.20 | smacnay | wols_, I am using dmm for lame and such but there seems to be some conflicts between liblame0 and libmp3lame which require me to remove certain pieces of software... seems to to be a dmm problem too, nothing else |
| 21:34.36 | mordy | valdyn - not sure i can either :( |
| 21:34.53 | wols_ | smacnay: you either use the stuff from debian or from dmm. avoid mixing if you can. e.g. dmm has mplayer too |
| 21:35.08 | valdyn | mordy: a transitional package is an empty package, only there to easy transition, with dependencies |
| 21:35.17 | smacnay | wols_, I have been keeping to dmm as far as I know |
| 21:35.39 | mordy | valdyn, like a 'dummy package' with libraries renamed? or not really? |
| 21:35.59 | wols_ | mordy: dummy package without contents, only dependencies |
| 21:36.26 | valdyn | mordy: say there really was a 2.6.15-emt64, then 2.6.18-emt64 will be empty and depend on 2.6.18-amd64, for instance |
| 21:37.04 | jhutchins | 1G, and stable is preferable to something in transition, I think. |
| 21:37.06 | mordy | oh |
| 21:37.16 | jhutchins | So no real need for 64. |
| 21:37.24 | sich | why have debian not extra version just for server ? |
| 21:37.24 | jhutchins | This will be a mail and file server. |
| 21:37.35 | mordy | transition doesn't mean unstable - |
| 21:37.40 | wols_ | jhutchins: then use 32bit |
| 21:37.43 | valdyn | jhutchins: theres good reasons to stick to 32-bit on 1G ram only, but "transition" has nothing to do with that fact |
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| 21:39.03 | jhutchins | Ok, glad I asked then. |
| 21:40.02 | jhutchins | After 10+ years of Linux I'm finally installing debian. |
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| 21:41.10 | jhutchins | Any known issues with SATA? |
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| 21:41.31 | Guerin | how is that a meaningful question? |
| 21:41.57 | PerfDave | jhutchins: Depends on the chipset really. Etch can be hit-and-miss, Lenny seems to be pretty good. |
| 21:42.08 | PerfDave | waves at Guerin |
| 21:42.14 | simonrvn | well, got the rain, but not enough :/ |
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| 21:42.20 | simonrvn | it'll rain more soon |
| 21:42.21 | Guerin | howdy Perf |
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| 21:42.25 | angryuser | hello |
| 21:42.34 | streuner | confuses PerfDave :-) |
| 21:43.00 | angryuser | i dont remember the use of screen, i want somebody look into my terminal , how to do it ? |
| 21:43.11 | Guerin | angryuser: -x |
| 21:43.17 | angryuser | screen -x to attach |
| 21:43.19 | mordy | valdyn - here is what i did - but it still won't find the iso http://paste.lisp.org/display/63952 |
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| 21:44.09 | jetscreamer | how the hell is root going to be denied access to a file on a fat32 partition? |
| 21:44.22 | valdyn | mordy: drive's umount hangs until everything is written to it |
| 21:44.23 | jetscreamer | just one file |
| 21:44.27 | streuner | !listkeys fat32 |
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| 21:44.29 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'fat32' by key (4): fat32 ;; #debian fat32 ;; _default fat32 ;; user accessible fat32. |
| 21:44.42 | angryuser | Guerin what conditions should be in place 2 users with same pass/username ? or i shoul create a screen, ol lauch scren somehow to let other user type screen -x to ttach to |
| 21:44.48 | valdyn | mordy: thats just fine, i hope you didnt pull it before it was done.. |
| 21:45.03 | jetscreamer | root, not user |
| 21:45.10 | mordy | valdyn - i didn't |
| 21:45.12 | streuner | jetscreamer: check out dpkg |
| 21:45.26 | jetscreamer | same queston about ntfs bts.. and it seems to be an ms .net assembly on both fs's that does it |
| 21:45.31 | sich | i wana upgrade to lenny and update the sourceslist but have this line in aptitude update |
| 21:45.40 | mordy | but the problem is that it doesn't help - the installer won't find either iso (neither the netinstall nor the full cd) |
| 21:45.41 | jetscreamer | rooooot |
| 21:45.42 | sich | 99% [10 Packages bzip2 0] |
| 21:45.46 | jetscreamer | i did |
| 21:45.50 | valdyn | mordy: sync is not required |
| 21:45.58 | valdyn | mordy: but the umount has to finish |
| 21:46.01 | mordy | valdyn - i did it for safe measure though |
| 21:46.19 | jetscreamer | streuner: this is different. |
| 21:46.24 | mordy | valdyn - is there a utility i can use to check usb traffic? |
| 21:46.33 | jetscreamer | everyting but one file is accessible |
| 21:46.35 | streuner | jetscreamer: in which way? |
| 21:46.46 | jetscreamer | it's 'denied access' when i try to cp it |
| 21:46.49 | jetscreamer | as root |
| 21:47.01 | valdyn | mordy: no idea, but iotop can monitor the disk writes |
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| 21:47.38 | jetscreamer | i got the entire partition, except for two files |
| 21:47.56 | mordy | valdyn - i can't fidn the package :( |
| 21:48.03 | valdyn | mordy: you can mount the usb with "mount -o sync /dev/sda1 /mnt" |
| 21:48.06 | jetscreamer | or directories, not sure, can't tell the name of it |
| 21:48.11 | mordy | oh |
| 21:48.12 | valdyn | mordy: after that iotop could watch the writes |
| 21:48.30 | neonlightning | ok now i've got my monitor and videocard setup nicely now if only i could figure out why my 7button mouse works fine in fedora and pclos but not debian |
| 21:48.31 | sich | what is this error by dist-upgrade http://pastebin.com/m44710058 ? how can i fix it? |
| 21:48.32 | mordy | does iotop also give error messages? |
| 21:48.35 | valdyn | mordy: iotop is probably rather new |
| 21:48.49 | jetscreamer | neonlightning: you want the explorer protocol |
| 21:48.51 | valdyn | mordy: dmesg would show errors |
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| 21:49.17 | neonlightning | jetscreamer, already tried |
| 21:49.22 | mordy | dammit - it's only in lenny and sid |
| 21:49.36 | valdyn | mordy: thats ok, you dont really need to monitor this |
| 21:49.44 | valdyn | mordy: your doing silly things, thats all |
| 21:49.55 | mordy | hehe, like sync and umount? |
| 21:49.58 | valdyn | mordy: you cant unount /mnt while your current directory is /mnt |
| 21:49.59 | sich | any idea? |
| 21:50.05 | mordy | oh |
| 21:50.08 | mordy | #-o |
| 21:50.12 | valdyn | mordy: the solution is "cd ..", not killing processes |
| 21:50.14 | nishv | anyone got any good admin guide for debian |
| 21:50.30 | mordy | oh. doh |
| 21:50.41 | mordy | yeah, i often don't realize the simplest things |
| 21:50.53 | valdyn | mordy: and kill -9 is generally the wrong thing to do |
| 21:50.54 | sich | any help!? |
| 21:50.59 | valdyn | mordy: dont use -9 |
| 21:51.06 | mordy | what's a good number? |
| 21:51.13 | valdyn | mordy: no number |
| 21:51.17 | valdyn | !kill |
| 21:51.22 | valdyn | !kill-9 |
| 21:51.23 | dpkg | [kill-9] do not use kill -9 unless you have to, because using it will keep the process from cleaning up temp files, closing sockets, informing its childs about its death and other nasty things. use "kill -15 <PID>" or "kill -2 <PID>" instead |
| 21:51.24 | mordy | never works -never kills when i don't use a number |
| 21:51.29 | sich | http://pastebin.com/m34ee8903 |
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| 21:51.37 | mordy | oh |
| 21:51.42 | yargoflick | angryuser: get other to start screen, ssh in as the same user as other, screen -x. That should do, yes |
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| 21:52.15 | valdyn | mordy: kill without a number works just fine |
| 21:52.16 | sich | yargoflick: ? |
| 21:52.23 | Anthro | I have a router running Debian. I'm wondering if it makes more sense to run a DNS server on the router or to NAT dns requests. Any thoughts? |
| 21:52.38 | valdyn | Anthro: why does it matter? |
| 21:52.52 | mordy | valdyn - but what about my current problem? about the installer not reading from the iso? i want to copy the iso to the local disk - i managed to do that once, but with the wrong image |
| 21:52.56 | sich | valdyn: or anyone can tell what is this error by system upgrade to lenny http://pastebin.com/m34ee8903 |
| 21:53.07 | Anthro | valdyn: Well, since I switched from a hardware router to my router box, DNS requests have gotten much slower. |
| 21:53.23 | valdyn | Anthro: you can install dnsmasq on that router |
| 21:53.33 | Anthro | valdyn: Tell me more. |
| 21:53.38 | valdyn | Anthro: thats what those "hardware routers" do too, btw |
| 21:53.59 | valdyn | Anthro: thats all, just install it, and disable its dhcp server feature if you dont need that |
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| 21:54.14 | valdyn | Anthro: configuring it is just setting the parent nameserver |
| 21:54.14 | yargoflick | sich: hello, angryuser wanted to know how to get two folks playing on the same screen session. |
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| 21:54.52 | sich | yargoflick: what about my problem with sys upgrade? |
| 21:54.52 | Anthro | valdyn: Okay. And will it bind to multiple interfaces? I have both a LAN and WLAN. |
| 21:54.58 | dansushi | i'm trying to uninstall a program with apt-get remove, but it's telling me that another program that i have installed will be removed as well, how do i force only the program i want uninstalled to be removed? |
| 21:54.59 | mordy | how do i unmount things in busybox? change permissions etc. - i get "inappropriate ioctl for device" |
| 21:55.00 | neonlightning | jetscreamer, and you do mean ExplorerPS/2 i heard mouseman might work but the weird thing is in debian i'm having to use /dev/input/by-id/usb-Logitech_USB_Optical_Mouse-event-mouse because running cat on any of the other mouse entries doesn't show anything but if i use that one with the driver mouse it basically kills xorg |
| 21:55.07 | manb | do i have to shut the pc down in a special way to have wake on lan working? |
| 21:55.22 | valdyn | mordy: copy the iso over, once its copied, use cmp /mnt/<iso> /path/to/original/<iso> to see if both are identical, for instance |
| 21:55.35 | valdyn | mordy: i dont know whats wrong really, except those errors you pasted |
| 21:55.50 | mordy | oh |
| 21:55.57 | sich | any idea? |
| 21:56.16 | valdyn | Anthro: yes it can do that |
| 21:56.26 | Anthro | valdyn: Excellent, thanks for the pointer. |
| 21:56.35 | yargoflick | sich: try in aptitude with shift-u, it's a little better with suggesting fixes that you can pick from. |
| 21:56.39 | valdyn | manb: no |
| 21:57.04 | manb | so why doesnt it work? |
| 21:57.05 | mordy | valdyn - no return on cmp means it's good? |
| 21:57.13 | valdyn | !unix lessons |
| 21:57.13 | dpkg | well, unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
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| 21:57.27 | valdyn | ohoh, its missing there |
| 21:57.29 | valdyn | mordy: yes |
| 21:57.35 | sich | yargoflick: who ? |
| 21:57.39 | streuner | valdyn: which one? |
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| 21:58.18 | valdyn | streuner: that programs completing without feedback did run fine |
| 21:58.25 | manb | the lights at the back of my network card are still blinking (when pc halted) and i set my card with ethtool to wake on lan. tried both (b and g) |
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| 21:58.34 | valdyn | streuner: or maybe thats elsewhere |
| 21:58.36 | valdyn | !unix basics |
| 21:58.40 | valdyn | not there |
| 21:59.03 | mordy | manb - you may need to WOL based on MAC and not on ip |
| 21:59.11 | mordy | also your router may be blocking it |
| 21:59.12 | yargoflick | sich: try 'aptitude'. Once started press u to update packlists, then press shift-u to upgrade. any problems and the bottom line will tell you and give you options. |
| 21:59.30 | manb | mordy, i sent to both, ip and MAC |
| 21:59.56 | jetscreamer | the gac assembly |
| 22:00.01 | mordy | manb, did you check if you're doing it on your subnet? does the router support/block it? |
| 22:00.05 | jetscreamer | not that which matters |
| 22:00.08 | jetscreamer | it's the how |
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| 22:01.57 | manb | mordy, both pcs are connected with a switch. the ip is given by router (dhcp)... maybe you are right and i need to configure the router somehow. but the lights were flashing when i send the magic package... |
| 22:02.06 | manb | so the package should reach the pc |
| 22:02.44 | sich | yargoflick: thanx i do that but give nothing to solve it? |
| 22:02.50 | RichiH | !test |
| 22:02.51 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 22:04.07 | mordy_ | gah, disconnected |
| 22:04.10 | mordy_ | what did i miss? |
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| 22:04.58 | manb | i do not have to enable "LAN Option ROM" (For RPL) for wol, do i? |
| 22:05.12 | zophy[] | i hope this 322mb upgrade works afterwards |
| 22:05.31 | mordy_ | don't think so manb, but what do i know :( |
| 22:05.38 | yargoflick | sich: it looks like it's just a problem with liferea-xulrunner (not installable for some reason). try removing liferea and see what happens |
| 22:05.51 | mordy_ | err.. maybe you do - is that on your router? |
| 22:06.01 | sich | yargoflick: which lifearea? |
| 22:06.33 | sich | mean you GUI? |
| 22:06.59 | neonlightning | http://pastebin.com/m722fd166 is my hacked at untill working over 2 days xorg.conf and if i disable the whole mouse section aside from device and driver xev still doesn't get any responses from buttons 6 and 7 |
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| 22:07.58 | manb | what could be the problem? |
| 22:08.24 | manb | or at least, how do i get wol working? |
| 22:08.26 | dread | anyone know how to add fluxbox and kde to SLiM? |
| 22:09.13 | mordy_ | manb - have you tried it on shutdown? on suspend? on both? |
| 22:09.31 | mordy_ | is it enabled in your bios? |
| 22:09.45 | manb | mordy, i tried on shutdown -ht secs now and halt. |
| 22:10.30 | mordy_ | manb - sounds like something is blocking it - |
| 22:10.43 | yargoflick | sich: wait, there's probably more wrong than that, it's just the only one I saw in the blurb you pastebined. It's probably some cyclical perl or python dependency. You might try 'aptitude --ful-resolver full-upgrade'. Be warned, she can remove things you might like, so back your sh*t up. |
| 22:10.52 | mordy_ | when you say the light blinks - do you mean it blinks randomnly? or does it only blink when you send a wol packet? |
| 22:11.00 | manb | mordy, i tried now on suspend. here it is working fine. |
| 22:11.08 | manb | thanks for the tip. |
| 22:11.13 | manb | mordy, but why not on halt? |
| 22:12.00 | mordy_ | manb - it's probably something either in your bios or in your nic setup - from windoze, i know there's a separate option on most cards of WOL on powerdown, and WOL on suspend |
| 22:12.44 | manb | mordy, windoze?! excuse me... only linux ^^ so what could it be there? |
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| 22:12.51 | neonlightning | dread, i've been thinking about going with a dm lately is slim more like kdm and gdm or more like xdm or more like xtart |
| 22:13.18 | manb | mordy_, linux wants to wol linux |
| 22:13.22 | mordy_ | hehe manb - the options are probably stored in the nic's memory - you need to access those settings |
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| 22:13.59 | mordy_ | i'm just using windoze as an example that there may be different options for both, and that one is enabled and one is disabled - although i don't know how to access them in *nix |
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| 22:14.44 | Anthro | valdyn: I installed dnsmasq. It suggested resolvconf, which I also installed. My /etc/resolv.conf on my server is now getting just 127.0.0.1 as a DNS server, and DNS requests are failing. Any ideas? |
| 22:14.45 | manb | mordy_, what's this nic? it's the network interface? how do i access it? i already set ethtool -s eth0 wol g and tried with wol p |
| 22:15.14 | mordy_ | yeah, nic=network interface card |
| 22:15.21 | mordy_ | i'm looking it up - but i'm just googling |
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| 22:16.00 | manb | http://www.brueck-computer.de/index2.php?modul=1404&link=1 this is my resource :/ |
| 22:16.27 | mordy_ | meine deutsch is schwache |
| 22:16.36 | dansushi | where are all the .deb files stored when you download them in apt-get? |
| 22:16.39 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 22:16.58 | manb | ^^ |
| 22:17.06 | Anthro | dansushi: /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 22:17.13 | manb | mordy_, english is fine |
| 22:17.14 | dread | neon, SLiM is kinda like g/k/dm, but it's a lot different too |
| 22:17.16 | dansushi | Anthro: thanks |
| 22:17.25 | mordy_ | but the link is in german |
| 22:17.43 | neonlightning | dread, bummer i'm just looking for a light one since i'm only on a single user environment |
| 22:17.52 | neonlightning | dread, maby i'll go back got just shell startup |
| 22:18.08 | dread | oh, it's very, very light, it just looks like g/kk/dm |
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| 22:18.53 | mordy_ | manb - try to use all the tags - i don't think it can hurt |
| 22:18.54 | neonlightning | but i also use fluxbox |
| 22:19.05 | dread | I just can't figure out how to add gnome,fluxbox, or kde to the sessions menu |
| 22:19.19 | manb | mordy_, what do you mean with all the tags? |
| 22:19.27 | dread | the documentation on the website is iffy |
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| 22:19.48 | mordy_ | manb: p u m b .... |
| 22:20.02 | manb | mordy_, i only support p g |
| 22:20.06 | cesar_bo | There is a way get the deb from installed apps, not from the /var/apt/cache, but just like doing backwards ... :P |
| 22:20.07 | manb | and i tried both |
| 22:20.14 | inigo | hello, I need the debian original apache.conf (etch, apache2, mpm prefork) somebody can paste it on any place ? |
| 22:20.14 | mordy_ | your card only supports both of those? |
| 22:21.02 | mordy_ | but p and g should do the trick |
| 22:21.03 | manb | mordy_, i think it supports p or g. not both at the same time |
| 22:21.09 | Siberya | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.11 | neonlightning | dread, i don't see whats so hard about $ startx startfluxbox |
| 22:21.14 | mordy_ | hmm... did you try both at the same time? |
| 22:21.22 | manb | mordy_, i know and they do from suspend but not from halt |
| 22:21.35 | manb | mordy_, no, didnt try yet both at the same time |
| 22:21.38 | Siberya | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.44 | Siberya | good by |
| 22:21.54 | mordy_ | hehe, then try them - try them all, except |
| 22:21.55 | dansushi | i'm trying to uninstall a program with apt-get remove, but it's telling me that another program that i have installed will be removed as well, how do i force only the program i want uninstalled to be removed? |
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| 22:22.15 | mordy_ | try them all at once - it can't hurt - and then reduce the options to debug as well as to your needs |
| 22:22.16 | yargoflick | dread: can't you just edit the /etc/slim.conf file and change the sessions line. |
| 22:22.35 | dread | neon: I'd rather just use F1 and cycle though my wm's |
| 22:22.36 | mordy_ | WOL is pretty cool though ;) |
| 22:22.54 | neonlightning | dread, i tend to stick with fluxbox so no worries for me |
| 22:23.48 | dread | yargoflick: doh! |
| 22:24.16 | yargoflick | dread: I take it that worked :) |
| 22:24.35 | trumpen | inigo: have you tried with apt-get install --reinstall apache2.2-common ? |
| 22:24.50 | mordy_ | gah, any help with this installer? |
| 22:24.54 | dread | about to try |
| 22:25.59 | jhutchins | why would I be "banned" when I try to join from irssi with systemrescuecd? |
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| 22:26.30 | mordy_ | jhutchins - because you're logged in as root? |
| 22:26.49 | jhutchins | mordy_: Yeah, that'd be it wouldn't it. Wouldn't matter what the nick was. |
| 22:27.01 | inigo | trumpen, thanks, but debconf does nothing, and the file defore that, is the modified |
| 22:27.02 | manb | mordy_, okay, if i use the options pg, my pc starts immediatly after shutting down. |
| 22:27.09 | inigo | *before |
| 22:27.14 | jhutchins | USB installer won't recognize my Realt3k 8111. |
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| 22:27.19 | manb | this might be, because the router tries to send some packages at his address. |
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| 22:28.09 | mordy_ | manb - how are you trying to wake up the computer? magicpacket? |
| 22:28.19 | mordy_ | or just network activity - |
| 22:28.38 | manb | mordy_, this is odd. now it works... |
| 22:28.40 | mordy_ | since if you're not doing it through some magicpacket, then it would wake up whenever something is sent to it |
| 22:28.43 | manb | mordy_, i use magic package |
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| 22:28.54 | yargoflick | mordy_: what's going on with the installer? is it not finding the iso image? |
| 22:28.57 | manb | are there different kinds of magic packages? |
| 22:29.13 | jhutchins | Ah, I see, I must copy an iso to the stick. |
| 22:29.50 | mordy_ | manb - i don't know how it works, but i gather there are tools to send them. a magic packet has a special header which identifies itself as ordering a WOL - i guess the nic will ignore any other packet |
| 22:30.21 | mordy_ | hehe, again - i thank windoze for this knowledge. yes, i'm evil |
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| 22:30.46 | mordy_ | yargoflick - it's not finding ti |
| 22:30.47 | mordy_ | it |
| 22:30.56 | mordy_ | do you know busybox? |
| 22:32.10 | trumpen | inigo: you can get the original file directly from the package (e.g. http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/apache2.2-common/download). Here is the file I have just downloaded from a debian mirror: http://pastebin.com/d2abc0e28 |
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| 22:32.50 | yargoflick | mordy_: busybox, not well, I'm going to try and make an installer usb drive and see what happens. |
| 22:33.05 | inigo | thanks trumpen ! |
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| 22:33.42 | neonlightning | dread, so? |
| 22:33.50 | dread | ok, just adding fluxbox,KDE,Gnome to /etc/slim.conf doesn't work |
| 22:33.51 | mordy_ | yargoflick - if you want to see what i did - look here http://paste.lisp.org/display/63952 |
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| 22:34.09 | trumpen | inigo: yw ;) |
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| 22:34.20 | mordy_ | well, i did some stupid - but unrelated things as well - but follow this if you want to do a comparison - it's etch i386 |
| 22:34.34 | neonlightning | dread, now i'm tempted to install it just to see if i can get it running and it should be harder for me as i'm running fluxbox from source |
| 22:35.13 | mordy_ | yargoflick - you'll need the syslinux package |
| 22:35.36 | dread | it starts fine, but when I choose session:fluxbox I get an error like :unable to find fluxbox --something, falling back to default |
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| 22:36.08 | neonlightning | should be telling it to use startfluxbox anyway |
| 22:36.32 | manb | mordy_, can you try to do wakeonlan -i 84.58.108.180 00:1e:8c:23:21:0b |
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| 22:36.57 | mordy_ | hmm.. wakeonlan - command not found |
| 22:37.01 | k-man_ | hi |
| 22:37.06 | k-man_ | whats the status of the fglrx drivers and 2.6.26? |
| 22:37.15 | mordy_ | maybe i need a package? |
| 22:37.31 | manb | mordy_, it is a small program, maybe you can install: apt-get install wakeonlan |
| 22:37.38 | manb | or someone else can try? |
| 22:37.42 | mordy_ | trying that now, mab |
| 22:37.55 | manb | k |
| 22:38.28 | manb | morby, i forgot something... |
| 22:38.40 | dread | about to try it with startfluxbox |
| 22:38.48 | manb | try wakeonlan -i 84.58.108.180 -p 7000 00:1e:8c:23:21:0b |
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| 22:39.53 | mordy_ | manb - sent |
| 22:40.03 | manb | hmm.. nothing happens. |
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| 22:40.14 | ttyS11 | when I use radiusclient-ng I get a |
| 22:40.14 | dread | success! |
| 22:40.15 | mordy_ | let me try again |
| 22:40.17 | yargoflick | mandy_: ya i've got syslinux from my playing with debian-live. it'll be a few minutes for the netinstall iso image to download. |
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| 22:40.37 | yargoflick | mordy_: ya i've got syslinux from my playing with debian-live. it'll be a few minutes for the netinstall iso image to download. |
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| 22:40.54 | yargoflick | I have no idea who mandy is, I swear. |
| 22:41.06 | mordy_ | manb - check your router logs - and see if it's not blocking me |
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| 22:41.21 | mordy_ | and whois me for my ip - i'm too lazy to type it :| |
| 22:42.09 | BrahmsC | lol |
| 22:42.38 | BrahmsC | you still took time to write an entire sentence to explain it :) |
| 22:42.48 | manb | mordy_, i think there is an other problem. i can not wol my pc yet. i tried to wol it several times and it worked fine. now, it doesnt. the times before, i didnt wait to long to wol my machine. |
| 22:43.14 | mordy_ | manb - lights are one? |
| 22:43.16 | mordy_ | on* |
| 22:44.07 | manb | yap |
| 22:44.27 | mordy_ | manb - maybe it's a power issue? |
| 22:44.58 | sich | >i use gnome on debian lenny, is use DVD room or dople click of dvd room icon, carche the system and must i reboot them, but with gnome with debian etch is perfect, what happen? |
| 22:45.03 | manb | no, power is still on. maybe the cache of the nic clears after one min |
| 22:45.13 | ttyS11 | I I get the following error when using openser and radiusclient-ng on a 64 bit architecture but the same configuration works fine on a 32 bit system: Error: Received Accounting-Request packet from 10.10.10.1 with invalid signature! (Shared secret is incorrect.) Dropping packet without response. |
| 22:45.25 | manb | now it starts up perfectly. |
| 22:45.34 | mordy_ | manb - but the cache shoulnt' matter - i think the wol settings are in the nic's flash and not cache |
| 22:45.36 | manb | \whois mordy_ |
| 22:45.43 | mordy_ | lol |
| 22:45.47 | manb | ^^ |
| 22:45.48 | mordy_ | !whois me |
| 22:45.58 | manb | !whois mordy_ |
| 22:45.58 | angryuser | hello i do apt-get install screen , and no results, what is the matter ? |
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| 22:46.07 | angryuser | scren package is gone ? |
| 22:46.12 | angryuser | screen ? |
| 22:46.13 | PerfDave | angryuser: "no results"? |
| 22:46.16 | mordy_ | !who am i |
| 22:46.16 | dpkg | mordy_ shut up, you are a nobody |
| 22:46.21 | mordy_ | ROTFL |
| 22:46.21 | angryuser | package not found |
| 22:46.26 | PerfDave | angryuser: That's a result. |
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| 22:46.46 | PerfDave | angryuser: Paste the output of "apt-get install screen" and your /etc/apt/sources.list at http://channels.debian.net/paste please |
| 22:46.50 | angryuser | yep, any solution whre to find it ? |
| 22:47.36 | angryuser | oh stupid me sorry it wasn't my install |
| 22:47.39 | amazon10x | i have a 35G ext3 drive that was almost full at one point and is now only 11G full and i resize2fs'd it to 11.5G. Will this take all day? |
| 22:47.43 | angryuser | 0 mirrors |
| 22:47.46 | mordy_ | !headache |
| 22:47.46 | dpkg | hmm... headache is when you use windows |
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| 22:47.59 | mordy_ | !rotfl |
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| 22:48.02 | PerfDave | amazon10x: Quite possibly |
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| 22:48.26 | amazon10x | PerfDave: i wonder if there's a way i can get some insight into how far along it is? |
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| 22:49.39 | mordy_ | manb - IIRC, there are some programs that mess or alter your ethernet rom - i don't know what their names are - but you may need one of thsoe. you havea standard nic? |
| 22:49.46 | mordy_ | realtek RTLxxx |
| 22:49.52 | PerfDave | amazon10x: man resize2fs may tell you |
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| 22:50.04 | angryuser | http://www.pastebin.ca/1077087 PerfDave i added some but still no package found, i did apt-get update also |
| 22:50.04 | manb | mordy_, i guess so. it is a marvell chipset |
| 22:50.06 | amazon10x | just checked that. apparently there is a -p flag for progress |
| 22:50.09 | amazon10x | too late to run it with that though |
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| 22:50.43 | manb | mordy_, can you try it again? |
| 22:50.47 | manb | try wakeonlan -i 84.58.108.180 -p 7000 00:1e:8c:23:21:0b |
| 22:50.59 | neonlightning | dread, i've been using fluxbox since i got into linux 7 years ago :) |
| 22:51.05 | Coweater | what's a Linux Foundation root hub? |
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| 22:51.28 | valmorg | Is there any mesa user here? I'm using x-win32 and I can't activate direct rendering. |
| 22:51.34 | PerfDave | angryuser: OK, you only have the netinst CD and the Debian security repository set up, it's unlikely you'll get many packages. |
| 22:51.51 | PerfDave | angryuser: You need to add some full Debian mirrors |
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| 22:53.08 | dread | neon, I just into linux in January. I wish I could have it as my main os, but I need windoze to play games. |
| 22:53.20 | mordy_ | hehe gamez |
| 22:53.23 | PerfDave | plays games in GNU/Linux |
| 22:53.37 | mordy_ | prefers playing games with peoples' heads |
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| 22:54.09 | mordy_ | like football, basketball - with skulls |
| 22:54.57 | neonlightning | dread, i'm a gamer and all i have is linux |
| 22:55.18 | Amarande | ok ... here's a pressing and probably unpleasant question |
| 22:55.25 | Amarande | how long does it take to run badblocks on a 500 gig SATA drive? |
| 22:55.26 | yargoflick | mordy_: did you get to the choose language screen? |
| 22:55.35 | amazon10x | ooh, it just finished PerfDave. that wasn't too long :) |
| 22:55.35 | dread | my laptop doesn't have driver, and I get 0.96 fps in wow. |
| 22:55.35 | mordy_ | yargoflick - yes |
| 22:55.38 | bolt | can I somehow make my ssh server have different requirements depending on the IP address logging in? say, demand pub/priv key from the outside but allow user-interactive passwords from 192.168.1.*? |
| 22:55.53 | mordy_ | the installer works perfectly - it only acts as if there's no iso on the stick |
| 22:56.16 | mordy_ | i wonder if there's a way i can monitor my computer from the get-go using pxe |
| 22:56.25 | yargoflick | mordy_: ok, just a sec |
| 22:56.39 | PerfDave | bolt: Yes :) |
| 22:57.08 | mordy_ | so i wouldn't have to slave over my computer when it's down |
| 22:57.15 | bolt | PerfDave: lemme guess... man sshd? |
| 22:57.22 | mordy_ | i'm sure there's something, but i don't know |
| 22:57.47 | yargoflick | mordy_: it seems to fetching the additional components from the image now |
| 22:58.02 | neonlightning | dread, my friend is using his built in intel card on his laptop and it works fine try using something like playonlinux or if you can afford it crossoveroffice |
| 22:58.03 | mordy_ | yargoflick - it's working for you |
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| 22:58.15 | mordy_ | can you give me a shell log of how you set up your usb stick? |
| 22:58.21 | macros73_ | is squid3 compiled with snmp support? |
| 22:58.23 | mordy_ | pastebing it |
| 22:58.27 | dread | I'll try wow in wine again later |
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| 22:58.31 | mordy_ | -g |
| 22:58.42 | PerfDave | bolt: Actually, googling for it might work better, ISTR there being a good article on linux.com |
| 22:58.48 | Amarande | neonlightning, does your WoW give error 134 on Linux btw? |
| 22:59.02 | mordy_ | yargoflick - actually - which components? ide modules or installation components? |
| 22:59.15 | neonlightning | Amarande, i personally think the game is pure evil so no it doesn't as i don't even allow copies of the game in my home |
| 22:59.28 | manb | wol works only in the first 5 minutes after shutdown. after this time it doesnt work any more. the lights are blinking at the nic. |
| 23:00.08 | mordy_ | manb - it seems to be a power issue or something wrong with your nic. i don't think the OS is active on suspend so it can't be 'reading' from any file |
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| 23:00.36 | mordy_ | maybe the powerlink to the NIC isn't good enough -but i don't know - you'd need a guru for that |
| 23:00.54 | manb | gr... |
| 23:01.21 | yargoflick | mordy_: I just did the 'zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sdb', then 'mount /dev/sdb /media/usbdisk', then 'cp /home/yargo/downloads/web/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso /media/usbdisk', then 'umount /media/usbdisk'. that's it. |
| 23:01.24 | manb | maybe i go and buy a pci-card which works. this onboard stuff doesnt seem so good. |
| 23:01.45 | mordy_ | yargoflick - that works by me too - but you can't put a full cd image on that |
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| 23:01.53 | mordy_ | since it limits the partition to 240MB |
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| 23:02.16 | yargoflick | mordy_: ya, it's the netinstall image, not a full one. |
| 23:02.46 | mordy_ | yargoflick - did you see my pastebin? |
| 23:02.58 | mordy_ | hehe - from my spambox: " <h1>lossier vacant!synagogue technologies!rightful parasitics ... </h1>" |
| 23:03.04 | yargoflick | mordy_: it's enough to get a base system on though. |
| 23:03.28 | mordy_ | yargoflick - but my whole goal was *not* to do netinstall |
| 23:03.39 | mordy_ | does netinstall give you a base system without connecting to the internet? |
| 23:03.59 | amazon10x | i just booted into rescue mode with a debian install disk and fdisk isn't in the path. is fdisk on here? |
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| 23:04.21 | mordy_ | amazon10xit's busybox - welcome to the club |
| 23:04.30 | mordy_ | no fdisk on busybox :( |
| 23:04.43 | mordy_ | or maybe there is.. hm... |
| 23:04.54 | amazon10x | is there anything that can repartition? |
| 23:04.55 | yargoflick | mordy_: I see, i'm going to try to use gparted and increase the size of filesystem and put the larger iso on. |
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| 23:05.28 | mordy_ | yargoflick - see if that works - although i think it will block you from doing so. it's a complciated fs - do fdisk -l to see exactly what it did |
| 23:05.45 | mordy_ | yargoflick - and most likely gfarted won't see your partitions either |
| 23:06.10 | maizer | hi, I want to measure the transfer rate of my dvd drive, dd is not the best choice for that, so somebody knows a specialized application for that ? |
| 23:06.19 | yargoflick | mordy_: ya, netinstall will give you a full debootstrap install. |
| 23:06.20 | Lectus | Hello! I installed debian CD1 with KDE. It comes with a bunch of applications I don't need. I tried to uninstall one of them and aptitude wants to remove the full KDE. I don't want it to remove it, just the package I selected. How can I prevent this so I end up with a minimal KDE that suits my needs? |
| 23:06.55 | mordy_ | lectus - maybe you selected a package which kde deepends on? |
| 23:06.59 | amazon10x | mordy_: do you think this busybox thing can mount a usb drive? |
| 23:07.02 | themill | dpkg: tell Lectus about install kde |
| 23:07.17 | themill | dpkg: tell Lectus about install unmarkauto |
| 23:07.34 | themill | Lectus: some combination of those two pieces of information is what you need... |
| 23:07.38 | Lectus | I selected ksirc, as I prefer konversation over it. But I want to keep my KDE. I just want it to remove ksirc. Any idea? |
| 23:07.54 | themill | dpkg: tell Lectus about unmarkauto |
| 23:08.00 | PerfDave | maizer: Why is dd not the best choice for that? |
| 23:08.01 | themill | (second time lucky) |
| 23:08.37 | themill | Lectus: just remove ksirc and then strategically "unmarkauto" on other packages if aptitude wants to remove them. |
| 23:09.23 | maizer | PerfDave, because the transfer rate changes on CD, DVD, and with dd you can't see the rte in real time |
| 23:09.28 | Lectus | what's unmarkauto? |
| 23:09.35 | PerfDave | maizer: Why not? |
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| 23:10.07 | jhutchins_lt | This is really disappointing. I really wanted to build this server with Debian, but it doesn't seem to detect my network card. |
| 23:10.29 | maizer | PerfDave, ask the dd developer, because that is not implemented in dd |
| 23:10.55 | amazon10x | mordy_: i just realized why i can't find fdisk. i'm on powerpc and it is called mac-fdisk |
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| 23:11.19 | PerfDave | maizer: man dd |
| 23:11.36 | yargoflick | mordy_: man that's messy. I'm gonna try the manual route with the full first iso and see what happens. |
| 23:11.58 | themill | Lectus: read the information that dpkg just gave you about unmarkauto |
| 23:11.58 | maizer | PerfDave, I found a program for that, but is not so popular (odman) |
| 23:12.06 | mordy_ | yargoflick - hehe - mac-fdisk worked? |
| 23:12.21 | mordy_ | yargoflick -what would be the equivalent for me? i can't find it here |
| 23:12.24 | PerfDave | maizer: For reading manpages? |
| 23:12.42 | helo_ | once i have a degraded array configured using /dev/sdb, how do i copy /dev/sda over to it? |
| 23:13.34 | maizer | PerfDave, no, for executing transfer rate tests, and you can see the speed in X the speed in KB/s, the percentage read all in real time |
| 23:13.55 | PerfDave | maizer: It's unpopular because people have dd :) |
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| 23:15.52 | maizer | PerfDave, yes, but I think it is better because it is specialized in transfer rate tests |
| 23:15.56 | maizer | whatever |
| 23:16.31 | yargoflick | mordy_: man, it's gonna take half an hour to get the first iso. sheez. |
| 23:16.48 | mordy_ | yargoflick - try the netinst iso |
| 23:16.55 | themill | maizer: so why are you complaining that something isn't implemented in dd then? Now I'm confused... |
| 23:17.09 | mordy_ | or just try foo.iso - if it will complain, it will complain about not being able to read from the iso - not about not finding one |
| 23:17.14 | PerfDave | themill: Because maizer can't read manpages ;) |
| 23:17.22 | themill | ahh! of course. |
| 23:17.23 | yargoflick | mordy_: the netinst iso worked for me. got a base system on there. |
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| 23:17.38 | mordy_ | yargoflick - manual mode? or zcat? |
| 23:17.55 | yargoflick | mordy_: zcat, i'll give manual a go now. |
| 23:17.58 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 23:18.13 | PerfDave | tends to install from full DVDs |
| 23:18.16 | maizer | themill, I'm not complaining, that is the reality, I found a better program for that so I don't care if that is or is not implemented in dd |
| 23:19.25 | themill | I'm glad you think that clarified things... |
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| 23:23.18 | Sazpaimon_ | do you think someone can take a look at this call trace that appears intermittently when my server runs out of ram? http://pastebin.org/52670 |
| 23:23.20 | mordy_ | yargoflick - any luck? |
| 23:23.53 | jhutchins_lt | k, well maybe it's a hardware problem. |
| 23:24.19 | Sazpaimon_ | this seems to go on forever and I have to reboot the server |
| 23:24.45 | manb | what is suspend S3 and S1? |
| 23:24.46 | neonlightning | trinux, i finally got and compiled audacious and gotta love it it gives me illegal instruction(same error it gave me in pclos when i installed it from the repos lol) |
| 23:25.06 | Sazpaimon_ | last night someone told me that it might be related to my forcedeth driver, I just want a second opinion |
| 23:25.20 | quagga | what is everyone's general opinion of selinux on say a debian home server and laptop? |
| 23:25.25 | neonlightning | ahh well time for a break from this(i give it a half hour tops before i come back to it lol) |
| 23:25.56 | trinux | neonlightning: nice! |
| 23:25.59 | macros73 | Can anyone confirm that squid3 for lenny is compiled with snmp support? |
| 23:26.12 | trinux | gotta like this kind of trouble :-( |
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| 23:27.58 | macros73 | nm, just realized squid can tell me |
| 23:28.38 | manb | wol doesnt work after ping. why is that so? |
| 23:30.18 | yargoflick | morby_: just checking the /dev/sdb with qemu, ah she boots. uno momento |
| 23:31.03 | yargoflick | mordy_: that ^^ was for you, I can't type :( |
| 23:31.10 | mordy_ | oh |
| 23:31.18 | mordy_ | screen flashes when someone calls my name :p |
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| 23:33.01 | yargoflick | mordy: it just detected the iso and is loading up the components. |
| 23:33.14 | yargoflick | mordy_: again ^^^ for you |
| 23:33.44 | mordy_ | yargoflick - can you show me what you did to format the disk? can you do the same procedure again - just copy what i did in my pastebin |
| 23:33.51 | mordy_ | i'd like to compare and see what's happning |
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| 23:38.33 | jhutchins_lt | Ah, finally. Gotta love new hardware./ |
| 23:39.00 | jhutchins_lt | !!!!!!!!! No SATA? |
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| 23:39.38 | yargoflick | mordy_: I checked your paste bin and if the install gets up and going then your partition is fine. Did the copying of your iso hang every time? Maybe the killing of the iso copying corrupted it. |
| 23:40.04 | mordy_ | yargoflick - i onyl killed it at the end, and cmp on both installation images worked |
| 23:40.06 | SeJo | hey all aptitude shows 65 packages to be removed but i don't want them removed. |
| 23:40.21 | neonlightning | trinux, finally found one that is fairly new(more maintained then) and doesn't need pulse BMPx lets see how i like this one(i know i'm not gonna like it but aslong as its fairly light and i can control it from cli via my fluxkeys i'm fine) |
| 23:40.21 | SeJo | how can i clear the queue? |
| 23:40.32 | Sling | how about looking at the aptitude manpages |
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| 23:40.33 | yargoflick | mordy_: did you get to the Configure network part? |
| 23:40.42 | mordy_ | yargo - no |
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| 23:41.19 | yargoflick | mordy: I used gparted to create the fat16 partion and flag it bootable. |
| 23:41.25 | trinux | neonlightning: good luck on this one :) |
| 23:41.28 | jhutchins_lt | Ok, back to mandriva. |
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| 23:41.39 | mordy_ | yargoflick - can you paste some output though? |
| 23:41.46 | mordy_ | let me try it step by step though |
| 23:41.50 | mordy_ | i'll do gfarted now |
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| 23:42.09 | mordy_ | did you delete everything else on the disk after zcat? or you just created a new partition |
| 23:42.11 | neonlightning | trinux, no kidding this just hasn't been my distro but if it runs fairly well once i get it all setup i'll probly stick with it |
| 23:42.34 | SeJo | sling very helpfull |
| 23:42.36 | yargoflick | mordy: ya, I deleted everything, then created the new fat16 partion. |
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| 23:43.00 | n3kl | Can anyone tell me if I can reshape a raid 5 md raid into raid6? |
| 23:43.09 | trinux | neonlightning: sooner or later they all come back to debian. because its the universal operating system :P |
| 23:43.33 | neonlightning | trinux, idk i seem to be like that with fedora actually |
| 23:43.37 | raijin | does the universal operating sytem have mkfs.ext4? |
| 23:43.41 | raijin | i cannot find it |
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| 23:44.24 | neonlightning | raijin, that would probly be in like sid or something |
| 23:44.49 | yargoflick | mordy_: I got my kernel and initrd.img from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current//images/hd-media/ |
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| 23:45.02 | mordy_ | that's my kernel too |
| 23:45.20 | raijin | neonlightning: not that i can find |
| 23:46.02 | neonlightning | raijin, idk its fairly new and unsupported so i wouldn't think it would be many places yet(altho from what i've read of it it does look way better then ext3 i still like using ext2 alot though) |
| 23:46.21 | sich | if i try to install anything with aptiude received this message http://pastebin.com/m451f3ce8 the gnome wel be removed i well not remove Gnome, if anyone tell how can i fix that? |
| 23:46.23 | Sling | SeJo you could purge all 'rc'-flagged packages from your system |
| 23:46.36 | raijin | neonlightning: its supposed to be in the e2fslibs |
| 23:46.44 | yargoflick | mordy_: so after the partion was made I made sure it was not mounted, then did the syslinux /dev/sdb1 |
| 23:46.45 | Sling | but you dont want to remove them at all? they must be flagged rc for a reason |
| 23:46.46 | neonlightning | ahh idk then |
| 23:47.18 | mordy_ | yargoflick - ok - i syslinuxed |
| 23:47.31 | sich | any idea? |
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| 23:48.34 | yargoflick | mordy_: then I mounted the the partion and copied the vmlinuz and initrd.img |
| 23:48.52 | Spider | Question: is the only way of verifying that an installed package is consistent with what's on the filesystem the "debsums" command, or is there something built-in native into apt that may do the same? |
| 23:49.31 | mordy_ | ok - did that |
| 23:49.34 | sich | can anyone tell me how can i fix that? |
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| 23:51.08 | yargoflick | mordy_: that I made a syslinux.cfg file with the two lines: default vmlinuz; append initrd=initrd.gz |
| 23:51.53 | mordy_ | yargoflick - check - ok next |
| 23:51.53 | neonlightning | trinux, lets see if bmpx will unfreeze any time soon(these players just can't handle large lists or 933mhz procs) |
| 23:52.13 | neonlightning | trinux, i'm just pushin too much cpu power for them :P |
| 23:52.15 | yargoflick | mordy_: copy the net install iso to the /media/usbdisk |
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| 23:52.46 | mordy_ | yargoflick - not to /mnt? |
| 23:52.58 | bolt | What could cause one of my machines to say "No mail." upon SSH login, and another to not do so? Both are setup with exim4 as their mail delivery agent, and both are set up to have no local mail, mail sent by smarthost. |
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| 23:53.13 | bolt | I want none of them to check for local mail. There should never be any. |
| 23:53.23 | mordy_ | hmm.. there's no usbdisk listing in my media - only cdrom and cdrom0 |
| 23:53.39 | yargoflick | mordy_: umm.. I mounted on /media/usbdisk, but where ever you mounted the usb partition. |
| 23:53.46 | mordy_ | ok |
| 23:54.18 | mordy_ | and unmount? |
| 23:55.06 | yargoflick | mordy_: you should have: debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso* initrd.gz* ldlinux.sys* syslinux.cfg* vmlinuz* on your usb partition. |
| 23:55.14 | mordy_ | ok |
| 23:55.32 | raijin | well that didnt work lol |
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| 23:55.39 | raijin | mkfs.ext3 -E test_fs /dev/ |
| 23:55.50 | yargoflick | mordy_: umount your usb partition, then install-mbr /dev/sdb (or whatever you usb device is) |
| 23:55.52 | raijin | <device> |
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| 23:56.30 | jescis | is there a way to not use acpi or similar power saving things under tty?(after awhile screen goes to black) |
| 23:56.44 | macros73 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:57.37 | mordy_ | yargoflick - now take out the stick? |
| 23:57.46 | varney | hi all. i am trying to find out why my server cpu is at 148x, but top command does not reveal anything |
| 23:57.55 | enouf | jescis: see the entries in /etc/console-tools/config - like BLANK_TIME=30 |
| 23:58.01 | yargoflick | mordy_: yup, that's all I did, takes me all the way through the install |
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| 23:58.21 | jescis | thanks enouf |
| 23:58.45 | macros73_ | snmpget -v2c -c public localhost:3401 .1.3.6.1.4.1.3495.1.1.1 works, however, for that one value |
| 23:59.00 | enouf | jescis: aye , and POWERDOWN_TIME=30 |
| 23:59.01 | n3kl | sure wish you could shrink xfs right about now |
| 23:59.02 | mordy_ | holds breath |
| 23:59.16 | mordy_ | yargoflick - not working - same problem |
| 23:59.22 | click170 | Could someone point me to some documentation for troubleshooting raid? I had a simple linear array with 2 500gb drives, and somehow the configuration got wacked and it thought I had a raid array of 3 drives of which only one was in the machine and active. I was just about to re-create the array and restore from backup but mdadm noticed that the two drives were part of a previous array. I was hoping to try and simply put them back toget |
| 23:59.22 | click170 | her instead of having to copy everything from the backup? |
| 23:59.25 | varney | the server just hangs (i can't load a website) and when i check cpu uptimr it says 146.71 |
| 23:59.30 | mordy_ | maybe i'll download those images again - although i doubt that will help |
| 23:59.41 | yargoflick | mordy_: where do you get to? |
| 23:59.56 | n3kl | click170: I think its like mdadm --asseble --scan |
| 23:59.59 | mordy_ | "Load installer components from iso" |
