| 00:00.12 | n3kl | click170: if I knew how to spell assemble |
| 00:00.20 | enouf | click170: you'll have to read the docs in /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* and man mdadm{.conf} |
| 00:00.22 | mordy_ | yargoflick - i've got a weird problem though - i'm trying to find out how i was able to write to the local disk |
| 00:00.22 | varney | but if i run the 'top' command there is no evidence of any apache command running that high a cpu command |
| 00:00.41 | mordy_ | i managed to copy over an iso - but of the wrong installation, and corrupted- the installer reads from that |
| 00:00.46 | mordy_ | it's just some random foo.iso |
| 00:01.02 | mordy_ | but i can'tmanage to get rid of it - i don't know how to access my fs again :( |
| 00:01.33 | enouf | varney: in top hit 1, IIRC, to show both/all/more cores |
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| 00:02.04 | yargoflick | mordy_: there must be something wrong with the iso. you could try using qemu on the iso and see if it works. |
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| 00:02.19 | mordy_ | yargoflick - nothing wrong with the iso - read my messages above |
| 00:02.26 | mordy_ | it would complain that the iso is corrupt |
| 00:02.55 | enouf | varney: look into htop, ps, pstree and maybe this will help http://koltsoff.com/pub/ures/ (see meminfo Link on the way bottom once done) |
| 00:03.19 | jescis | enouf: are they both the same 0 ==never do? |
| 00:03.49 | enouf | jescis: wow, odd .. not sure, i never had that issue - and the info there to me is unclear |
| 00:03.50 | yargoflick | mordy_: I'm flummuxed? |
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| 00:03.57 | mordy_ | flummuxed lol |
| 00:04.09 | enouf | jescis: i might also have older versions |
| 00:04.43 | jescis | HHMMM |
| 00:05.06 | jescis | forgot caps lock X( |
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| 00:06.04 | mordy_ | yargoflick - i'm trying to use the other images |
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| 00:07.15 | jescis | which is a good I/O schedular Anticipatory, Deadline, CFQ, or No-op? |
| 00:07.24 | yargoflick | mordy_: ya, see if the mini iso works? I've got to go to sleep, so cheers and good luck. |
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| 00:07.34 | mordy_ | hehe |
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| 00:07.41 | mordy_ | i'll see |
| 00:07.42 | mordy_ | :( |
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| 00:08.10 | dthsdt | is this room for fruits? |
| 00:08.24 | raijin | lmfao |
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| 00:08.28 | liable | uh, no. |
| 00:08.35 | raijin | no thats ##pink dthsdt |
| 00:08.36 | jescis | dthsdt: no that would be ubuntu ;) |
| 00:08.43 | dthsdt | hehe |
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| 00:08.53 | dthsdt | ubuntu debian same shit |
| 00:09.02 | dthsdt | freebsd or slackware or die |
| 00:09.05 | jescis | no it isn't |
| 00:09.13 | dthsdt | same filth |
| 00:09.20 | dthsdt | debian and ubuntu is windows for homos |
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| 00:09.36 | amphi | !saturday |
| 00:09.36 | dpkg | i heard saturday is Tardsday Eve |
| 00:09.48 | dthsdt | hehe |
| 00:09.50 | jescis | I never got a working gui when installing debian |
| 00:10.10 | dthsdt | waht about the oh so wonderfully bloated gnome? |
| 00:10.13 | raijin | lol Zealotry In Progress |
| 00:10.28 | dthsdt | gnome is like windows vista on steroids |
| 00:10.52 | dthsdt | xfce or blackbox nigga. |
| 00:10.59 | dthsdt | thats tha shite |
| 00:11.00 | shoeman | I have uncommented lines from /etc/inittab to stop getty spawning from tty2 to tty6 , but how do I stop the virtual terminals from being created at boot? |
| 00:11.06 | jescis | dthsdt: I don't get to use it since X doesn't work for my machine for sdome reason :/ |
| 00:11.28 | dthsdt | jescis hmm did you try to switch to another GUI? |
| 00:11.43 | dthsdt | are you on bitchx or irrsi now? |
| 00:11.56 | enouf | jescis: you can load each one on the fly and test ; http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/block/switching-sched.txt (see other docs as well in the parent dir) |
| 00:11.57 | jescis | if X doesn't start what's the point? |
| 00:12.12 | enouf | amphi: heh |
| 00:12.16 | dthsdt | jescis tried 'startx' ? |
| 00:12.59 | dthsdt | go to bash or konsole and do startx |
| 00:12.59 | enouf | shoeman: boot into single? |
| 00:13.01 | jescis | it starts but nothing shows up, so I go to tty1-6 |
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| 00:13.16 | enouf | shoeman: what's you issue? and uncommented? or commented out |
| 00:13.42 | jescis | dthsdt: and I use irssi btw |
| 00:13.50 | shoeman | enouf: commented out I meant. |
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| 00:14.32 | shoeman | enouf: after booting I have to run deallocvt() to get rid of them. How do I stop them being created in the first place? |
| 00:14.45 | raijin | neonlightning: had to use the git e2fslibs |
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| 00:14.51 | dthsdt | jescis you need to reconfigure dpkg |
| 00:15.00 | dthsdt | and then x will work |
| 00:15.15 | dthsdt | many people that use ubuntu and debian seem to have had the same issues in the forums |
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| 00:16.13 | enouf | shoeman: why not just set id:2:initdefault: to 1 in there |
| 00:16.30 | jescis | dthsdt: But I like CLI :/ |
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| 00:16.41 | dthsdt | CLI? |
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| 00:16.57 | jescis | Command Line Interface |
| 00:17.31 | jescis | guis are for windoze and lazy ppl |
| 00:17.47 | dthsdt | jescis so dl the new slackware dvd and ditch debian then |
| 00:17.55 | dthsdt | debian and windows are secret lovers |
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| 00:18.17 | dthsdt | even though one is gnu/linux and the other one a filthy operating system |
| 00:18.25 | jescis | I bet you'd say that about Macs too :( |
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| 00:18.46 | dthsdt | jescis heh macs are for metrosexuals |
| 00:19.48 | jescis | I only have one, and it's a 1994 Performa 550, does that count? |
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| 00:20.16 | shoeman | enouf: That will just start into single user mode. Is there not a way to change the number of vt's started from 6 to something else, in multi-user mode |
| 00:20.30 | shoeman | enouf: I'm sure there must be |
| 00:20.59 | dthsdt | jescis try this >> dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:21.07 | dthsdt | then reboot and see if x dont work as it should |
| 00:23.49 | enouf | shoeman: there's a few areas to look at , /etc/login.defs and /etc/securetty ? |
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| 00:24.30 | varney | enouf: i don't see the use of meminfo, can you explain? i don't see any cpu reports on it |
| 00:25.02 | enouf | shoeman: if you are disabling the VTs you are in single user mode, basically, no? and by the way? what on earth are you trying to do? |
| 00:25.10 | enouf | varney: nevermind then |
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| 00:26.21 | varney | enouf: don't just dismiss everything, explain! |
| 00:26.38 | jescis | dthsdt: I'm already biulding a kernel so I can't do it and reboot |
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| 00:26.55 | enouf | varney: nope ;-) |
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| 00:27.55 | shoeman | enouf: So you are saying the difference between single user and multi user is the number of VTs started at boot? What I am doing is preferring screen() to linux VTs |
| 00:28.09 | varney | enouf: what's the matter? had 'enouf' ? :) |
| 00:28.29 | mordy_ | har hars |
| 00:28.38 | enouf | shoeman: yep, afaict |
| 00:28.44 | jescis | if I have an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ do I choose AMD Elan during the kernel configuration? |
| 00:28.55 | shoeman | enouf: I will compare the scripts in rc1.d and rc2.d then |
| 00:29.03 | enouf | shoeman: screen is fine, but then so is single user mode |
| 00:29.08 | shoeman | enouf: The answer must be in there |
| 00:29.29 | enouf | shoeman: there is rcS.d and /etc/default/* files too to look at |
| 00:29.34 | enouf | !runlevels |
| 00:29.35 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> or <file-rc> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup> |
| 00:30.12 | enouf | if you wanted to, you could toy around with 3 4 5 if you wanted, they're reserved for admin pleasure ;-O |
| 00:31.54 | mordy_ | anyone know what's the equivalent command of fdisk in busybox? |
| 00:31.59 | mordy_ | !busybox |
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| 00:35.30 | Nyle | omg |
| 00:35.35 | Nyle | im so drunk right now |
| 00:35.37 | Nyle | its not even funny |
| 00:35.40 | Nyle | what do i do? |
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| 00:35.48 | Nyle | i must get undrunk or i know i'll throw up |
| 00:35.50 | Nyle | goddamn |
| 00:35.50 | mordy_ | nyle - don't start making out with your male friend |
| 00:35.59 | Nyle | i'll remember that one |
| 00:36.00 | Nyle | thank you |
| 00:36.02 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:36.16 | mordy_ | hehe, happens to a lot of guys when they're drunk - not me thought |
| 00:36.19 | mordy_ | what do you drink? |
| 00:36.32 | Nyle | half a large bottle of smirnoff ice |
| 00:36.36 | Nyle | green apple flavor |
| 00:36.44 | mordy_ | next time try the smirnoff sans ice |
| 00:36.50 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:36.51 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:36.54 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 00:37.05 | mordy_ | smirnoff is the way to go - |
| 00:37.07 | Nyle | i like ovaltine |
| 00:37.10 | Nyle | so |
| 00:37.18 | mordy_ | ovaltinoff? |
| 00:37.21 | Nyle | did i cut in with some offtopic stuff |
| 00:37.28 | Nyle | my bad |
| 00:37.29 | mordy_ | nah, the room was dead |
| 00:37.31 | Nyle | continue... |
| 00:37.34 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 00:38.01 | mordy_ | i don't know why both rooms are dead now |
| 00:38.08 | mordy_ | maybe everyone got drunk |
| 00:38.17 | mordy_ | smirnoff vodka good; smirnoff ice bad |
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| 00:38.33 | mordy_ | nye khatzu smirnoff ice, khatzu smirnoff vodka |
| 00:38.55 | jescis | me like vodka taste like spicy mmmmm |
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| 00:39.08 | whileimhere | howdy. I have a real dpkg issue |
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| 00:39.22 | mordy_ | !real |
| 00:39.22 | dpkg | JCommons is the _real_ apt! |
| 00:39.35 | Nyle | yeh i had vodka |
| 00:39.35 | mordy_ | !fake |
| 00:39.35 | whileimhere | It says that I need to run sudo dpkg --configure -a but when I do it just freezes on the first package that it comes to. |
| 00:39.35 | dpkg | from memory, fake is wearing a big floppy hunting hat and is carrying a shotgun. a tool used to take over a computers IP used for backup servers. |
| 00:40.06 | timmy_boy | Does Debian install headers of packages? |
| 00:40.40 | jescis | does for the kernel :/ |
| 00:40.43 | Nyle | what is a header of a packge? |
| 00:40.57 | shoeman | enouf: I think I may have struck gold in /etc/rcS.d/S48console-screen.sh |
| 00:41.02 | mordy_ | !issue |
| 00:41.02 | dpkg | from memory, issue is /etc/issue or /etc/issue.net |
| 00:41.08 | shoeman | enouf: I will init 6 and report back |
| 00:41.10 | Nyle | enouf, how much crack did you smoke today |
| 00:41.11 | Nyle | ? |
| 00:41.20 | jescis | if I'm getting the gest of what you meant :/ |
| 00:41.23 | timmy_boy | Nyle: I meant the header files of C and C++ programs. |
| 00:41.31 | Nyle | !b0e |
| 00:41.34 | Nyle | !b-e |
| 00:41.34 | dpkg | methinks build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 00:41.37 | enouf | timmy_boy: see the -dev pkgs |
| 00:41.46 | Nyle | timmy_boy, see what dpkg just said |
| 00:41.57 | enouf | timmy_boy: all the pkg build headers are in the -dev pkgs |
| 00:42.05 | enouf | Nyle: hush hon |
| 00:42.11 | Nyle | yes ma'am |
| 00:42.20 | enouf | ;-) |
| 00:42.26 | timmy_boy | enouf: Thanks. |
| 00:42.44 | enouf | timmy_boy: Nyle 's correct too, you want atleast b-e |
| 00:42.46 | bolt | What could cause one of my machines to say "No mail." upon SSH login, and another to not do so? Both are setup with exim4 as their mail delivery agent, and both are set up to have no local mail, mail sent by smarthost. I want none of them to check for local mail. There should never be any. |
| 00:43.11 | Nyle | man |
| 00:43.13 | Nyle | im drunk |
| 00:43.15 | Nyle | i never drink |
| 00:43.21 | mordy_ | man drunk |
| 00:43.22 | Nyle | and i haven't smoked weed in lke months |
| 00:43.25 | Nyle | godamn |
| 00:43.27 | Nyle | im so fucked up |
| 00:43.36 | Nyle | damn |
| 00:43.46 | Nyle | my tolerane sucks |
| 00:43.48 | DogBoy | should have stuck with the weed |
| 00:43.52 | mordy_ | anyone know where to find fdisk in busy box? does it exist? |
| 00:44.01 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:44.02 | Nyle | fdisk |
| 00:44.05 | Nyle | i don't think so |
| 00:44.15 | Nyle | i think the deian installer uses partman |
| 00:44.18 | Nyle | which doesn't use fdisk |
| 00:44.26 | mordy_ | equivalent? is there any disk-utility that woulf give me fdisk? |
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| 00:44.32 | mordy_ | hmm.. let me search for that |
| 00:44.33 | Nyle | partman |
| 00:44.36 | Nyle | perhaps |
| 00:44.39 | Nyle | not too sure |
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| 00:45.10 | mordy_ | nyle - the only 'fdisk' package i found in the busybox was a udeb |
| 00:45.20 | mordy_ | i don't know what to do with ti - nor do i know what it depends on |
| 00:45.31 | enouf | mordy_: yes, udebs are the installer ojpkgs |
| 00:45.48 | enouf | mordy_: explcitly scaled down for the installer |
| 00:45.58 | Nyle | is there a udeb for it |
| 00:45.59 | Nyle | dan |
| 00:46.02 | Nyle | damn didn't kknow |
| 00:46.06 | Nyle | im just drunk |
| 00:46.12 | Nyle | maybe i shouldn't try to suppor tdebian right now |
| 00:46.19 | Nyle | don't listen to me |
| 00:46.21 | Nyle | im drunk |
| 00:46.29 | mordy_ | how do i install it? |
| 00:46.39 | mordy_ | apt-install <path-to-udeb>? |
| 00:46.45 | Nyle | no |
| 00:46.45 | enouf | dpkg -i name.udeb |
| 00:46.45 | dpkg | removes a speen from enouf and replaces it with name.udeb |
| 00:46.54 | Nyle | hah |
| 00:46.56 | Nyle | burned! |
| 00:46.59 | enouf | hehe |
| 00:47.01 | mordy_ | ROTFL |
| 00:47.03 | enouf | she loves me :-P |
| 00:47.17 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:47.19 | Nyle | man |
| 00:47.25 | Nyle | i gotta wait an hour and try not to throw up |
| 00:47.29 | Nyle | try to get a little undrunk |
| 00:47.29 | mordy_ | bah, but i can't find dpkg in udeb either |
| 00:47.30 | enouf | speen? what's a speen? O_o |
| 00:47.30 | Nyle | whoah! |
| 00:47.34 | Nyle | speen? |
| 00:47.42 | Nyle | !literal dpkg |
| 00:47.42 | dpkg | "dpkg" is "the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>." |
| 00:47.49 | Nyle | !literal dpkg -i |
| 00:47.56 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:47.57 | Nyle | nm |
| 00:48.04 | mordy_ | just use apt-install -i? |
| 00:48.07 | Nyle | no |
| 00:48.09 | Nyle | dpkg -i |
| 00:48.10 | dpkg | Nyle: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 00:48.11 | Nyle | listen to wols |
| 00:48.17 | Nyle | er.. |
| 00:48.19 | Nyle | enouf, |
| 00:48.21 | Nyle | im so drunk |
| 00:48.21 | enouf | Nyle: eat and drink lots of water - then passout, drink more water, then massive amounts of coffee :-) |
| 00:48.25 | lfs | Where to see the documentation for a package? |
| 00:48.33 | mordy_ | meh, wols isn't here - is he? |
| 00:48.35 | Nyle | inside /usr/share/doc |
| 00:48.43 | Nyle | inside /usr/share/doc/'packagename' |
| 00:48.56 | enouf | lfs: dpkg -L <pkgname> |
| 00:49.00 | enouf | but yeah |
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| 00:49.11 | Jindrak | Nyle: drunk tech-support rules :) |
| 00:49.11 | enouf | !tell lfs -about grounding |
| 00:49.47 | liable | mordy_: dpkg is udpkg in the installer |
| 00:49.49 | mordy_ | hehe, drunkness is good |
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| 00:50.20 | enouf | liable: hrm, forgot about that - i remembered anna and ash though :-P |
| 00:50.20 | jescis | enouf: you know if PC-compatible or AQMD ELAN is right for an AMD Athlon XP 2000+? |
| 00:50.37 | enouf | jescis: you mean in Kconfig? |
| 00:50.43 | enouf | jescis: i don't think so |
| 00:50.48 | jescis | yeah |
| 00:50.56 | wd | hey guys i'm getting error in aptitude "warning could not lock the cache file. Opening in read only mode" what is this? |
| 00:50.57 | enouf | jescis: see the docs ;-) |
| 00:51.08 | liable | enouf: yeah, anna sometimes just queues packages for installation. not install straight away |
| 00:51.17 | jescis | If kconfig == kernel config :/ |
| 00:51.30 | enouf | wd: is /var/ mounted in ro ? |
| 00:51.53 | enouf | jescis: yeah, well there's over 450 Kconfig files in the kernel source |
| 00:52.00 | wd | enouf: hey long time.. :) umm no. |
| 00:52.02 | mordy_ | liable - i managed to install the package - but now i'm getting "Syntax Error - word unexpected (expecting ") |
| 00:52.16 | enouf | wd: maybe /tmp ? |
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| 00:52.43 | enouf | wd: what's ps aux | egrep 'apt|dpkg' say? anything besides the grep itself? |
| 00:52.50 | jescis | o.O wow that's a lot! :/ |
| 00:52.58 | enouf | jescis: yep ;-) |
| 00:53.37 | mordy_ | am i installing the package correctly? |
| 00:53.47 | mordy_ | udpkg name.udeb? |
| 00:53.50 | jescis | I'm trying googleing somethings but I'm not getting exactly what I need :/ |
| 00:53.54 | mordy_ | err -i... |
| 00:54.13 | enouf | jescis: install the source, docs are within |
| 00:54.19 | wd | enouf: did mount /dev/hda1 on / type ext3 (rw,errors=remount -ro and tmpfs (rw) |
| 00:54.36 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/ or sites like that jescis |
| 00:54.39 | wd | enouf: maybe hda1 had errors. |
| 00:54.42 | mordy_ | this happens to both fdisk and cfdisk - whcih i also unpacked |
| 00:54.51 | wd | enouf: so remout-ro? |
| 00:54.55 | enouf | wd: see what 'mount' says |
| 00:55.02 | enouf | wd: and cat /proc/partitions |
| 00:55.05 | enouf | erm |
| 00:55.09 | enouf | wd: and cat /proc/mounts |
| 00:55.17 | wd | enouf: about mount ^^ |
| 00:55.31 | wd | enou 16:32 from me |
| 00:55.41 | wd | enouf: doing cat now |
| 00:55.41 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.44 | Nyle | i can't tell |
| 00:55.49 | enouf | Nyle: i dunno |
| 00:55.49 | Nyle | cuz im fuckin drunk man |
| 00:55.56 | Nyle | hey come check your msgman |
| 00:55.57 | Nyle | you da man |
| 00:55.59 | Nyle | i love you man |
| 00:56.06 | Nyle | you da fuckin man man |
| 00:56.10 | Nyle | you kow |
| 00:56.13 | enouf | wd: you remounted / on tmpfs ? |
| 00:56.47 | wd | enouf: no |
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| 00:57.13 | wd | enouf: tmpfs (rw) |
| 00:57.33 | enouf | wd: i have no idea what that is supposed to tell me |
| 00:57.34 | wd | enouf: darnit should i reboot? |
| 00:57.41 | enouf | wd: yeah |
| 00:57.44 | wd | enouf: k |
| 00:57.49 | mordy_ | how do i handle dep files? same as udeb files? |
| 00:57.56 | mordy_ | this is so complicated :(( |
| 00:58.05 | mordy_ | why can't the installer load these things at the beginnign? |
| 00:58.58 | mordy_ | stupid busybox |
| 00:59.39 | liable | mordy_: sorry, gotta go to work |
| 01:00.08 | mordy_ | hmm... this is working |
| 01:00.15 | mordy_ | hehe, i'm zeroing my entire drive |
| 01:00.27 | mordy_ | at least dd works |
| 01:00.41 | enouf | mordy_: it's about time |
| 01:01.04 | mordy_ | enouf - but i don't know if that will get me anywhere |
| 01:01.26 | mordy_ | enouf - if i quit in middle of dd - would it be enough to temporarily incapacitate my hd? |
| 01:02.06 | enouf | mordy_: don't quit in the middle ;-) |
| 01:02.17 | mordy_ | gah - it's a 80G HD |
| 01:02.25 | mordy_ | i just want to corrupt the data and the partitions |
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| 01:02.39 | mordy_ | i think the installer is getting confused between my usb stick and the local hd for some reason |
| 01:03.14 | mordy_ | well, i could have very well done dd if=usb stick of=backupwindozepartitiononlocaldisk |
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| 01:05.37 | mordy_ | how long will it take? |
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| 01:10.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | any idea why iceweasel after the last update hangs, when I run "aoss firefox" when an instance is already running (instead of making the running instance spawn a new window) |
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| 01:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, stops on FUTEX_WAIT |
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| 01:22.15 | lfs | Are there any programmers here? |
| 01:23.11 | owen1 | how to encrypt files using the command line? |
| 01:28.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | lfs, yes with >700 people that is likely, but it would probably be offtopic |
| 01:28.57 | beardy | !mcrypt |
| 01:29.04 | beardy | Hmm. |
| 01:29.34 | beardy | owen1: IIRC there is one program called mcrypt you can use anyway. Probably many others. gpg for one I'm sure. |
| 01:29.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | gpg |
| 01:29.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | eh :) |
| 01:30.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I was just wondering if I could throw him a rot13 commandline tool :-P |
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| 01:31.47 | Corwin | under the dmca the rot13 encryption is unhackable |
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| 01:32.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 01:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | true |
| 01:32.26 | amphi | rot52 is 4x more powerful |
| 01:32.34 | Corwin | what more could you need? |
| 01:32.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I was more thinking along the lines, that such an unspecific question deserves much thought of what answer you offfer :) |
| 01:32.56 | Corwin | woah, I never though of that amphi, the possibilities are endless |
| 01:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting question - how can you be 4 times as secure as "unbreakable" |
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| 01:33.34 | Corwin | time to read socrates.... |
| 01:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, I'll try to be the firstest to do so... |
| 01:36.28 | lfs | I installed libpoker-eval - poker hand evaluator library |
| 01:36.28 | lfs | libpoker-eval-dev - poker hand evaluator library development files |
| 01:37.24 | lfs | And when I try to compile a c file I get eval.c:28:24: error: poker_defs.h: No such file or directory |
| 01:37.35 | lfs | How to include these in the program? |
| 01:38.25 | lfs | libpoker-eval just intalls the libraries. How to access the libraries is the question. |
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| 01:43.51 | Corwin | libpoker-eval-dev installes the header files, dpkg -L libpoker-eval-dev will show you these files, the rest is C programming |
| 01:44.23 | mordy_ | hehe, i found the solution |
| 01:44.24 | mordy_ | :D |
| 01:45.29 | owen1 | how do decrypt a file using openssl? |
| 01:46.14 | jescis | enouf: cpuinfo says my cpu is 1250 MHz, But it's an AMD Athlon XP 2000+, now that's not Athlon/Duron/k7 processor is it? :/ |
| 01:46.46 | _ZeuZ_|Away | jescis, its saying the right thing |
| 01:47.02 | Corwin | the 2000+ is not the MHz |
| 01:47.05 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Athlon never ever shows the real frecuency in its name |
| 01:47.21 | Corwin | plus if cpufreq is running the speed will change |
| 01:47.30 | _ZeuZ_|Away | The only athlon that shows that is the old-fancy Athlon 500 (500mhz) |
| 01:47.34 | enouf | jescis: yes, it's a k7, IINM |
| 01:47.42 | enouf | !k7 |
| 01:47.43 | dpkg | from memory, k7 is the generic model name for the series of AMD i386-compatible processors which begins with the "Athlon" and also includes the "Duron", "Thunderbird", "Sempron" and "Athlon XP" processors. It does not include the AMD64, X2, FX, Opteron (k8) family or the older K5 or K6 chips. Just use a 686 kernel in unstable, k7 kernels are out. see <k7 dropped> |
| 01:47.45 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, that procesor has not got frecuency scaling |
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| 01:48.45 | Corwin | which AMD CPU's support freq scaling? |
| 01:48.49 | enouf | jescis: see if fab51.com tells you more about your cpu, click English ;-) |
| 01:49.12 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, TUrion := |
| 01:49.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1: openssl isn't really meant for files, but for connections - which you can e.g. open to https servers using the s_client command |
| 01:49.27 | Corwin | cool, thanks for the info |
| 01:49.43 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, Ahtlon 64 X2 has also got freq scaling |
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| 01:49.58 | _ZeuZ_|Away | and those are the only two I know off appart from Operton that Ive tested myself |
| 01:50.16 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Either way now with PUMA chipset about to be dropped, we can expect more to happen |
| 01:50.17 | Corwin | cool. My A64 X2 runs Nexenta though :( |
| 01:50.28 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, you SUN lover! xD |
| 01:50.47 | Corwin | Actually I hate SUN, but I LOVE zfs |
| 01:51.28 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, kFreeBSD (a BSD with Debian-like packaging system) is allready using it |
| 01:51.34 | _ZeuZ_|Away | and ZFS is starting to be supported |
| 01:51.49 | _ZeuZ_|Away | It´s said something like from 2.6.27 it´s gonna be supported I think |
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| 01:52.05 | Corwin | I've heard it wasn't very stable, but that was awhile ago. I'd rather run FreeBSD than Solaris |
| 01:52.15 | _ZeuZ_|Away | not me xD |
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| 01:52.31 | _ZeuZ_|Away | I´ve dealed too much tiem with ALTq Shaping with fBSD |
| 01:52.56 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: how do i encrypt and decrypt a file? |
| 01:52.58 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Either way, UFS has nothing to be jealous from ZFS |
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| 01:53.11 | mordy_ | i'm trying to unmount something but am getting "device is busy" - what do i do? |
| 01:53.34 | Corwin | I switched a client over from a W2K server to Solaris two days ago. It crashed 4 times in the first morning moving files around via CIFS. I guess the CIFS support is beta. It's really simple though |
| 01:53.37 | tuvwx | can i use debootstrap in a user home directory without chroot (don't have root access)? |
| 01:53.40 | owen1 | mordy_: close the rerminal and try again |
| 01:53.41 | terbo | hmm |
| 01:54.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1: we said so: gpg - but this really is a bit of an unspecific question - "encrypt" is a pretty fuzzy word |
| 01:54.12 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, you should have at least given him Ubuntu (Ugh!) |
| 01:54.21 | Corwin | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-get install mcrypt |
| 01:54.33 | terbo | interesting |
| 01:54.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin: you mean owen1 |
| 01:55.13 | Corwin | haha. The whole point was zfs. I'm not too sure how much I would trust fuse-zfs |
| 01:55.23 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i want to email a file with gmail but i don't want it to be a simple text. |
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| 01:55.37 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, in a few months, you wont need to add fuse in that sentence |
| 01:55.42 | Corwin | has no clue where he's clicking |
| 01:56.06 | owen1 | Corwin: mcrypt can encypt and decrypt file? |
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| 01:56.24 | Corwin | yes, that's what mcrypt is, it's pretty simple |
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| 01:56.50 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Does anybody know what DE does HP-uX has? |
| 01:56.53 | owen1 | Corwin: i wonder why it's not part of the base debian install. |
| 01:57.23 | Corwin | lots of good stuff is not, just apt-get install it, it's part of debian |
| 01:57.45 | Corwin | so how are they getting around the licensing issues with ZFS in Linux? |
| 01:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | Corwin: if you just want it to "not be a text" - you can also zip (compress) it - zip has even an encryption option (however secure that is): zip -e |
| 01:58.59 | Corwin | that would work too |
| 01:59.29 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, the license problem is with Debian |
| 01:59.35 | _ZeuZ_|Away | not actually ALL distros have that problem |
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| 02:01.18 | _ZeuZ_|Away | errm |
| 02:01.21 | _ZeuZ_|Away | I stand corrected |
| 02:01.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ahaha... "Finally, I "fixed" the gnuplot-readline for xterms. In future we may get file completion in it (I still don't have it ready),then we should forget about gnu-readline completly." |
| 02:01.32 | Corwin | it's a CDDL vs GPLv2 problem, so it's a Linux kernel issue that's inherited by all Linux distros |
| 02:01.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | that post is from november 1999... jokster |
| 02:01.50 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, yeah, I stand corrected xD |
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| 02:02.14 | Corwin | but it's still going to be somehow included in 2.6.27? |
| 02:02.37 | Corwin | Linux has hinted to ZFS being a reason to move to GPLv3 is ZFS also moved to it |
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| 02:03.14 | ootput | what's zfs again |
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| 02:03.20 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, lemme try to find again the interview with Torlvads where I saw it |
| 02:03.36 | Corwin | cool, thanks _ZeuZ_ |
| 02:03.54 | Falass | I have a weird problem. When I run iceweasel I get my console back straight away , with no errors, and pgrep ice shows nothing. However when I run iceweasel as root it starts. Any ideas? |
| 02:04.23 | Corwin | the problem would be in your users .mozilla directory |
| 02:04.55 | Corwin | move the config out of the way, and move parts back in until you find the problem |
| 02:05.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | or run strace -f -F iceweasel and see if the last of a million lines of output give you a clue |
| 02:08.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | any way to work magic with Debian? |
| 02:08.13 | Falass | Corwin: .mozilla is owned by root. that's weird |
| 02:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | Falass: that's also wrong... for any user but root |
| 02:09.01 | newsense | do i need arts for kde sound to work ? |
| 02:09.54 | Corwin | Not sure how that would happen.. CHown it back and it will probably work |
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| 02:10.32 | roark | so what's on "debian-40r3-i386-xfce-CD-1.iso". Is that just files for installing XFCE on top of an exsisting debian system or is that a base installer plus xfce? |
| 02:11.18 | _ZeuZ_|Away | meh, can´t find it Corwin.. |
| 02:11.22 | Falass | Corwin: CutMeOwnThroat there are also a few other hidden directories owned by root, so I'm going to chown -R user:user them as well |
| 02:11.26 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Either way, JFS is better xD |
| 02:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | "files for installing XFCE on top of an exsisting debian system" would be .deb files in a repository, not an iso - so it should be the latter |
| 02:12.17 | roark | cool, thanks. |
| 02:12.53 | _ZeuZ_|Away | roark, either way, you can download that disk, and use it as a repositorie |
| 02:13.05 | _ZeuZ_|Away | apt-cdrom add it |
| 02:13.25 | roark | I was thinking about it, but I may just use the netinst. I'm doing a fresh install on a laptop |
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| 02:15.32 | _ZeuZ_|Away | roark, take that ISO and install from there... |
| 02:16.04 | _ZeuZ_|Away | You´ll save some time configuring the X server and stuff (its not hard but I´m lazzy ÑP) |
| 02:16.48 | owen1 | what is the defualt algorithm of mcrypt? (couldn't find it in the man) |
| 02:17.04 | roark | okay, I'll do that then instead, thanks |
| 02:17.15 | Corwin | jfs is not even in the same league as zfs |
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| 02:17.59 | _ZeuZ_|Away | Corwin, lower write-needs and faster read-spead renders it a higher performance |
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| 02:18.47 | Corwin | I'm not overly concerned with performance, I'm concerned with reliability |
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| 02:19.46 | Corwin | The network throuhput on Solaris is so poor that I think that's my limiting factor on file server speed |
| 02:21.08 | Edgester | Where can I go for questions about using dpkg-makepackage for non-debian distros? |
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| 02:23.17 | Corwin | non-debian = ubuntu or Nexenta or something totally different like Suse? |
| 02:24.13 | Edgester | I'm making an openafs package for maemo, the OSS platform for the Nokia N800/N810 tablets |
| 02:24.51 | terbo | #meamo? |
| 02:24.56 | Edgester | maemo uses the debian package with scratchbox. I've read some of the docs, but one guide said to find a mentor |
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| 02:25.15 | Edgester | maemo http://www.maemo.org |
| 02:26.03 | Edgester | or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maemo |
| 02:26.28 | Edgester | ugh, I meant maemo ises the debian package manager |
| 02:26.31 | Edgester | uses |
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| 02:26.55 | Carbon_life | Hi there. Any content management system that is geared towards storing files online? |
| 02:26.58 | BrahmsC | where is the apache2 web server root directory by default ? i can't find it, i'm also looking for the html file where's it is writtent It Works! |
| 02:27.00 | Edgester | rubs eye cause he needs sleep |
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| 02:27.34 | Carbon_life | BrahmsC: /var/www I think is what you are looking for, by default apache2 redirects /index.html to some stupid directory |
| 02:27.55 | Carbon_life | BrahmsC: you'll need to change the rewrite rules |
| 02:28.25 | Edgester | BrahmsC: I've seem some apache configs that would show it works only if the /web folder is empty |
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| 02:28.45 | _ZeuZ_|Away | ubuntu is debian based |
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| 02:29.11 | eitan | hello all. |
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| 02:30.15 | roark | actually, if I run SYSLINUX on a flashdrive, then copy paste the contents of a debian install ISO, I should be able to boot and install from the stick instead of a cd, right? |
| 02:30.25 | eitan | I am having trouble with debian accessing the dvd drive when installing debian packages... it says it can't access the cd rom when in fact the cd rom is mounted and visible on the gnome desktop... can anyone help with this? |
| 02:30.59 | Carbon_life | roark: if the BIOS supports booting from a USB device |
| 02:31.58 | myosound | Edgester: do you have an answer yet? I'm actually working on compiling pure data for maemo right now myself |
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| 02:32.34 | Edgester | terbo: I'm stumped the guys in #maemo |
| 02:33.11 | eitan | can anyone help with this debian cd rom problem? |
| 02:33.17 | terbo | well.. i havent gotten time to go at scratchbox yet, still new to the device |
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| 02:34.43 | BrahmsC | Carbon_life: i found the index.html . I changed it, stopped apache, restarted apache and it didn't take the modification, any thoughts ? |
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| 02:35.12 | Edgester | terbo: scratchbox is my nemesis right now |
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| 02:36.18 | Carbon_life | BrahmsC: yeah, you need to change some config file, I forget which one. Whichever one it is, the file rewrites / to /apache2-default |
| 02:36.23 | ootput | how do i grab keycodes in Xorg? I'd like to work with xmodmap |
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| 02:36.46 | Edgester | myosound: no answer yet, tell me more about your project |
| 02:37.10 | wols | BrahmsC: /etc/apache2/sites-available/ |
| 02:37.43 | Carbon_life | Any webbased content management system for handling files? |
| 02:38.43 | terbo | handeling them how? |
| 02:38.57 | Nyle | php based file manager? |
| 02:39.05 | Nyle | or something |
| 02:39.06 | raijin | /dev/sdb2 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 02:40.46 | jescis | enouf: it turns out Athlon XP == K7 :) |
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| 02:41.38 | ootput | how to see events in Xorg when i hit a key? |
| 02:42.33 | enouf | jescis: amazing :-p |
| 02:43.12 | enouf | ootput: xev ? |
| 02:43.27 | kingsley | Is http://pastebin.com/d582eaab1 a kernel bug stack trace? |
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| 02:45.13 | ootput | enouf: do you know of any others? |
| 02:45.37 | ootput | i remember using something a while ago that didn't pop up a window |
| 02:46.37 | myosound | Edgester: not my project but here is info http://gige.xdv.org/pda/ |
| 02:46.42 | myosound | I want to run it on my n810 |
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| 02:47.12 | amine | how much memory can 32bit debian recognize? |
| 02:47.26 | amine | I've got 8gb on this machine and it only recognizes around 3gb |
| 02:49.15 | Nyle | 64gb |
| 02:49.18 | Nyle | w/ bigmem |
| 02:49.27 | Nyle | 4gb without |
| 02:49.36 | Edgester | myosound: interesting. do you have scratchbox set up? |
| 02:49.44 | amine | How do I check how much ram is being detected? |
| 02:50.11 | Nyle | hmm |
| 02:50.12 | Nyle | free? |
| 02:50.13 | raijin | top works |
| 02:50.15 | Nyle | perhaps |
| 02:50.20 | enouf | ootput: showkey, but that's not for x |
| 02:50.22 | Nyle | top/htop/free |
| 02:50.23 | Nyle | etc. |
| 02:50.30 | amine | It only detects 3GB |
| 02:50.40 | raijin | how does debian populate dev nodes? |
| 02:50.44 | amine | Mem: 3026 |
| 02:50.46 | enouf | udev |
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| 02:51.20 | enouf | amine: install the -bigmem kernel |
| 02:51.26 | raijin | enouf: what about in a chroot |
| 02:51.32 | enouf | amine: otherwise use amd64 arch :-P |
| 02:51.47 | raijin | gentoo has a MAKEDEV script |
| 02:51.50 | enouf | raijin: you can --bind mount /dev/ |
| 02:51.51 | amine | enouf: well, this is a dedicated machine.. is there a way I can do this over ssh |
| 02:51.55 | raijin | anything similar? |
| 02:51.56 | amine | well, an easy way |
| 02:51.59 | enouf | there is one too |
| 02:52.09 | enouf | in /sbin/MAKEDEV |
| 02:52.16 | raijin | ah thanks |
| 02:52.18 | enouf | symlink to /dev/ iirc |
| 02:52.21 | Nyle | you can use a 64bit kernel + 32bit userland |
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| 02:52.37 | Nyle | keep all your apps compatibale while using memory management of 64bit kernel |
| 02:52.56 | Nyle | proabably a better solution if you need to map entire fires larger than 4gb into ram |
| 02:53.06 | eitan | I'm having trouble with debian and gnome... can someone help? |
| 02:53.08 | Nyle | though, you can get away with a bigmem kernel if you'd like |
| 02:53.13 | Nyle | !ask |
| 02:53.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 02:53.16 | Nyle | !sicco |
| 02:53.16 | dpkg | Please ask sicco questions, questions that are Specific, Informative, Concise, Complete, and On-topic. Ask me about <research> and <cooperation in asking for help>. |
| 02:53.26 | eitan | Nyle: that's what I did a few minutes ago... and all ignored me. |
| 02:53.35 | Nyle | eitan, I apologize |
| 02:53.39 | Nyle | eitan, could you please ask again? |
| 02:54.12 | amine | Well, the issue I have is this.. I need to have this ready within a few hours. It's a quad core Q9300 w/ 8GB ram (dedicated) and I don't really know much about how to fix it. What do you guys recommend I do |
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| 02:54.29 | eitan | I installed debian while having two cd-roms installed... then I removed 1 cd rom drive and booted debian into gnome for the first time... now gnome is insisting that I have two cdrom drives... it's autodetect is just not working. |
| 02:54.39 | enouf | amine: well, upgrading a kernel over ssh only can be risky, but Nyle 's comments about a 64bit one is an option, but the -bigmem one is known to fix your issue ,.. difference is -bigmem uses PAE and such |
| 02:54.49 | Nyle | i don't know gnome |
| 02:55.03 | eitan | it's also confusing the package manager... it thinks that it can't find the debian dvd because it's looking for the non-existant drive |
| 02:55.07 | enouf | !bigmem |
| 02:55.07 | dpkg | -bigmem linux-images support up to 64GB of ram. If you have more than about 3.4 GB of ram, install and use this to see everything past the sub 1GB limit. |
| 02:55.09 | amine | enouf: -bigmem is just a kernel boot option or a whole different kernel? |
| 02:55.30 | enouf | amine: see what dpkg just said, it's a specific linux-image-verion-bigmem |
| 02:55.36 | eitan | nyle: what windowing system do you use? |
| 02:55.40 | Nyle | KDE |
| 02:56.05 | Nyle | if you have physically removed one cdrom drive, there is no reason why gnome should still detect two |
| 02:56.17 | Nyle | what does dmesg say? |
| 02:56.20 | eitan | nyle: tell that to gnome! |
| 02:56.26 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:56.26 | eitan | nyle: it's behaving like crap. |
| 02:56.33 | Nyle | gnoem sucks dude |
| 02:56.36 | enouf | amine: which release? apt-get update and apt-get search linux-image | grep bigmem |
| 02:56.38 | Nyle | thats why I stopped using it |
| 02:56.40 | enouf | bah |
| 02:56.45 | Nyle | ugly piece of ugly hack code |
| 02:56.47 | Nyle | ugly |
| 02:56.47 | enouf | amine: which release? apt-get update and apt-cache search linux-image | grep bigmem |
| 02:56.55 | Nyle | fucking crackheads are programming gomne |
| 02:56.57 | Nyle | I swear to god |
| 02:57.03 | enouf | !xml |
| 02:57.03 | dpkg | it has been said that xml is eXtensible Markup Language, and more info can be found at Homepage: http://www.jclark.com/xml/expat.html or There are generally two types of xml parsers: validating and those checking well-formedness. A valid xml document is one that is well-formed, and also complies with SGML conventions. getting bastardised by linux, call the XML-Men ~.linux bleh, or , or s-expressions in drag |
| 02:57.15 | eitan | nyle: does anyone on right now know gnome? |
| 02:57.18 | Nyle | beats enouf over the head with a large cordless phone |
| 02:57.20 | Nyle | asshole! |
| 02:57.26 | eitan | nyle: well can you answer a different question more about linux? |
| 02:57.27 | enouf | :-P |
| 02:57.32 | Nyle | i hate you :( |
| 02:57.44 | Edgester | myosound: besure to check out http://repository.maemo.org/stable/diablo/INSTALL.txt |
| 02:57.44 | Nyle | nah |
| 02:57.46 | Nyle | i still love you |
| 02:57.48 | Nyle | you fucking ape |
| 02:57.51 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:57.59 | enouf | beats chest! |
| 02:58.11 | Nyle | eitan, sure |
| 02:58.12 | Nyle | ask |
| 02:58.47 | amine | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1077253 |
| 02:58.59 | enouf | eitan: fix your /etc/fstab and /msg dpkg automount |
| 02:59.06 | eitan | nyle: ok.... why isn't it obvious in linux what directories are on what drives or partitions... it seems like linux doesn't care... you do an ls, and everything shows up like it's on one "filesystem" there is no obvious way to tell what files are on what drives... or is there? |
| 02:59.25 | Nyle | learn the posix file system structure! |
| 02:59.43 | Nyle | debian follows free desktop guidelines regarding filesystem standards |
| 03:00.01 | eitan | enouf: are people supposed to do that manually every time they change drive configurations? isn't gnome supposed to autodetect drives automatically? |
| 03:00.06 | Nyle | learn /, /root, /home, /tmp, /dev/ etc. etc. |
| 03:00.09 | Nyle | stuff like that |
| 03:00.11 | enouf | amine: heh, line 4 linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 but some of the others are metapackages anyways |
| 03:00.35 | Nyle | this is weird |
| 03:00.40 | Nyle | I have hair on my nipples |
| 03:00.43 | enouf | eitan: who knows, i don't use gnome |
| 03:00.44 | Nyle | what the fuck1 |
| 03:00.47 | Nyle | kinda shit is this |
| 03:00.55 | Nyle | man what the hell i nevr noticed |
| 03:01.02 | Nyle | im getting hair on my niples as i get older |
| 03:01.07 | Nyle | and above my ass in the back |
| 03:01.10 | Nyle | and im losing hair on my head |
| 03:01.12 | Nyle | what the fuck |
| 03:01.14 | enouf | yeah Nyle , chicks usually shave or pluck that O_o |
| 03:01.25 | Nyle | is this normal? |
| 03:01.27 | enouf | hides |
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| 03:01.33 | eitan | nyle: if you don't want to answer the question... just say so... if the answer to everything is "learn linux" or "learn debian" then there's no point to this channel... it's just a place for debian users to socialize... that's not what I think it's mainly for. |
| 03:01.36 | amine | enouf: lshw -C memory shows only 2x2GB. I think this dedicated machine isn't mine |
| 03:01.55 | Nyle | eitan, I'm sorry I thought I was answerig your question to the best of my ability |
| 03:01.59 | enouf | amine: try dmidecode as well - and also decode-dimms |
| 03:02.03 | newsense | what package is identd in ? |
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| 03:02.11 | enouf | !tell amine -about myram |
| 03:02.23 | Nyle | pidentd |
| 03:02.25 | Nyle | oidentd |
| 03:02.30 | Nyle | identd maybe i don't think so though |
| 03:02.33 | newsense | default debian install |
| 03:02.33 | Nyle | oidentd is nice |
| 03:02.36 | Nyle | featureful |
| 03:02.41 | newsense | want to remove it |
| 03:02.43 | Nyle | apt-cache search identd |
| 03:02.54 | eitan | nyle: how would you like it if you were out of town and asked someone for directions and they said "learn the city" or you asked your doctor what to do about an illness.. and he said "learn medicine" |
| 03:02.57 | enouf | amine: even with 4GB you want a -bigmem in order to see it all |
| 03:02.58 | newsense | tried to remove all those |
| 03:03.08 | eitan | nyle: next time just ignore me... that would be more polite. |
| 03:03.09 | Nyle | eitan, I'm not sure what your pissed about mate |
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| 03:03.20 | Nyle | eitan, I thought I was just being polite and answering your questions |
| 03:03.26 | Nyle | eitan, what did I do wrong? |
| 03:03.33 | eitan | nyle: I forgot... what question did you answer??? |
| 03:03.37 | enouf | eitan: did you message the bot? |
| 03:03.39 | amine | enouf: how do I install this bigmem? Just apt-get the package? |
| 03:03.58 | enouf | amine: apt-get install linux-image-2.6.18-6-686-bigmem <-- like so |
| 03:04.02 | Nyle | learn /, /root, /home, /tmp, /dev/ etc. etc. |
| 03:04.05 | enouf | amine: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 03:04.10 | Nyle | would you like for me to do the reading for you? |
| 03:04.20 | Nyle | or would you rather try to read about linux file system structure yourself |
| 03:04.22 | Nyle | ? |
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| 03:04.54 | Nyle | I'm not sure how exactly I was rude to you bro |
| 03:04.56 | Nyle | :( |
| 03:05.05 | newsense | cry me a river |
| 03:05.10 | enouf | amine: update-grub will also run, you should learn about these things, since especially it's remote - now, most times, it just works, sometimes there are issues - you as admin have to plan for and know how to deal with that |
| 03:05.34 | eitan | basically guys... I'm trying to recover after a debian hard drive crash... and I am having trouble transfering my files and mounting things and getting restarted... and god knows how much I appreciate it when I come here and people are happy to help... but sometimes everyone is just socializing and their only answer to everything is "I don't use X" and "learn Y"... that's when #debian is not very fun. |
| 03:06.05 | Nyle | how can I tell you about gnome if i have no knowledge of it? |
| 03:06.14 | Nyle | should I learn it first so that I can teach it to you? |
| 03:06.17 | Nyle | are you paying me for my time? |
| 03:06.18 | enouf | eitan: gnome has automounting functions and your /etc/fstab also likely contains your OTHER cdrom entry - thats 3 times now |
| 03:06.21 | Nyle | areyou getting me laid |
| 03:06.25 | Nyle | are you buying me weed? |
| 03:06.29 | eitan | Nyle: ... well don't you know about why is it that I can't tell what files are on what partitions by ding an ls? |
| 03:06.30 | newsense | !weed |
| 03:06.31 | Nyle | why should I do that for you? |
| 03:06.39 | enouf | eitan: learn how gnome works and use it, or whine to the developers |
| 03:06.41 | Nyle | if you have an answer, I'd really like to hear it |
| 03:06.46 | newsense | kicks dpkg |
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| 03:07.02 | Nyle | (rest assured, mate, I'm not trying to be a prick) |
| 03:07.08 | Nyle | honest |
| 03:07.37 | eitan | enouf:.... ok... can you me ... is fstab created once on debian install and never updated again? |
| 03:07.49 | Nyle | no |
| 03:07.52 | enouf | what? |
| 03:07.58 | Nyle | you manage fstab too, mtab is auto created |
| 03:08.04 | enouf | man fstab |
| 03:08.10 | Nyle | though fstab is generated through your choices upon di |
| 03:08.33 | Nyle | initially |
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| 03:08.44 | Nyle | but /etc/mtab is not static like fstab is |
| 03:08.50 | enouf | gnome uses something called gnomevfs and if you do gnome-TAB-TAB you'll see shit like gnome-volume-manager .. also learn about dmesg | less |
| 03:08.53 | newsense | !weed |
| 03:08.53 | dpkg | i heard weed is something every linux user, enthusiast, and system administrator should never be without ! ( ask me about newsense) |
| 03:08.56 | Nyle | in fact, man fstab, first paragraph, explicitly states it |
| 03:09.04 | eitan | ... well I'm noticing my fstab contains an hdd... that's the non-existent cd-rom drive... obviously that was created during the install when I had the 2nd cdrom installed... does that mean that the system will not auto-remove that entry from fstab when the cdrom is not installed anymore? |
| 03:09.05 | Nyle | dpkg forget weed |
| 03:09.05 | dpkg | Nyle: i forgot weed |
| 03:09.10 | Nyle | dpkg forget newsense |
| 03:09.10 | dpkg | i forgot newsense, Nyle |
| 03:09.14 | newsense | sorry |
| 03:09.28 | Nyle | newsense, kindly do not distrub the factoid db with useless info |
| 03:09.30 | Nyle | thank you |
| 03:09.31 | enouf | eitan: well, now you should comment out that line, or remove it |
| 03:09.46 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 03:09.46 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 03:09.50 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 03:09.51 | dpkg | well, dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 03:09.56 | newsense | i kow im sorry |
| 03:09.58 | enouf | eitan: correct, almost nothing i know of auto does anytthing to /etc/fstab |
| 03:10.00 | Nyle | its ok |
| 03:10.04 | Nyle | !popcon |
| 03:10.05 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 03:10.07 | newsense | i knew that would happen but its tempting |
| 03:10.20 | eitan | enoug: except the debian install program right? |
| 03:10.32 | eitan | enouf: sorry got your handle wrong |
| 03:10.36 | enouf | eitan: well, sure, it was non-existant them |
| 03:10.38 | enouf | then* |
| 03:11.45 | eitan | enouf: look... I know very little about linux... is there any linux command that will tell you what files or directories are on what physical drives or partitions? |
| 03:11.59 | enouf | eitan: dmesg |
| 03:12.02 | eitan | enouf: like an ls that will list the physical locations of the files? |
| 03:12.10 | enouf | eitan: fdisk -l will list your HDDs and partitions |
| 03:12.17 | enouf | eitan: ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 03:12.27 | enouf | lshal | less |
| 03:12.35 | enouf | cat /proc/partitions |
| 03:12.46 | enouf | cat /proc/sys/dev/cdrom/info |
| 03:13.03 | enouf | what? |
| 03:13.17 | newsense | df -h |
| 03:13.29 | eitan | enouf: No... I don't mean list the drives and partitions... I mean like... when you do ls and see a list of files and directories, there is no where to tell where they are physically located... is there any where to tell where each individual file or dir is located... I mean on what drive/partition/ |
| 03:13.30 | eitan | ? |
| 03:13.54 | amine | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1077261 - free -m shows 4GB, whereas dmidecode shows 4x2GB (or at least this is what I understood). Can you check it out just to confirm which it is, I have installed bigmem and rebooted (and uname shows -bigmem kernel) |
| 03:14.37 | wols | eitan: it follows from the directory you display a full directory is always on the same partition |
| 03:14.44 | jescis | eitan: try ls -la(pipe more/less to see the full list) |
| 03:14.55 | enouf | eitan: what has that to do with gnome automounting a non-existant cdrom? |
| 03:15.01 | wols | and mtab shows you where the partition this directory is under is mounted |
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| 03:15.45 | wols | eitan: like when you dor dir d:\games you knoy all files are on partition d: and you can look up where d:\ is, which disk |
| 03:15.49 | wols | same thing |
| 03:16.07 | wols | only exception to this is symlinks which you see with ls -l |
| 03:16.19 | eitan | enouf: nothing... I have a bunch of questions... basically after this crash and debian re-install I had debian create a different partition for the home dir... but on an ls... it's not clear that the home dir is on a different partition from any other dir. |
| 03:16.27 | eitan | wols: right! |
| 03:16.36 | eitan | wols: but in linux... it is not that obvious. |
| 03:16.42 | wols | eitan: it is |
| 03:16.52 | eitan | wols: please tell me how... |
| 03:16.56 | wols | I just did |
| 03:16.59 | enouf | amine: i see 2x 2GB |
| 03:17.08 | Nyle | 2x2 is 4 |
| 03:17.12 | Nyle | i'm pretty sure |
| 03:17.15 | enouf | amine: dmesg | less will also show amount |
| 03:17.17 | Nyle | i think |
| 03:17.18 | eitan | wols: I didn't understand your explanation.... |
| 03:17.21 | enouf | amine: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 03:17.25 | Nyle | eitan, don't worry nobody does |
| 03:17.29 | Nyle | and when nobody does |
| 03:17.32 | Nyle | he lable sthem as morons |
| 03:17.34 | wols | eitan: how do you know on which disk your files in d:\games are`? |
| 03:17.41 | Nyle | which is what #debian is reduced to now |
| 03:17.52 | Nyle | might wanna try another distro |
| 03:17.53 | eitan | wols: the letter d tells me it's on the drive designated as "d" |
| 03:17.57 | Nyle | with another community |
| 03:18.05 | wols | Nyle: please stop. do you want to be muted again? |
| 03:18.07 | burd | i can never remember the name of the package that adjusts gtk fonts in kde control center.. any help? thanks |
| 03:18.12 | Nyle | wols, you're gonna mute me? |
| 03:18.30 | wols | Nyle: we fight, ops comes, mutes us. do you want that, yes or no? |
| 03:18.47 | Nyle | wols, soon as you stop being an a-hole to innocent people in here |
| 03:18.48 | Nyle | sure |
| 03:18.56 | amine | enouf: MemTotal: 4139176 kB (from /proc/meminfo), Memory: 4133820k/5242880k available (1542k kernel code, 48980k reserved, 587k data, 196k init, 3266432k highmem) (from dmesg) |
| 03:19.02 | Nyle | just cuz you know a lot of debian doesn't give you the right |
| 03:19.16 | enouf | amine: corrrect 4GB total |
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| 03:19.17 | wols | Nyle: calling someone an asshole is a mutable offense too. also if you have a beef with me, tell the ops please |
| 03:19.17 | eitan | sorry I have to tell you that #ubuntu makes #debian look like people are falling all over themselves to help you... they're very rude, nasty, childish and obnoxious there... |
| 03:19.40 | wols | eitan: you are mistaken |
| 03:19.41 | enouf | amine: the available includes swap |
| 03:19.44 | amine | enouf: you sure? dmesg says 5.24 available + 3.26 |
| 03:19.45 | amine | ah ok |
| 03:19.57 | Nyle | whats the use |
| 03:19.57 | amine | thanks, complaint time :D |
| 03:19.59 | Nyle | ops see it too |
| 03:20.03 | Nyle | no one gives a shit anyway |
| 03:20.08 | Nyle | debian is going down |
| 03:20.09 | Nyle | slowly |
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| 03:20.13 | Nyle | self destruction |
| 03:20.15 | newsense | i dont ;/ |
| 03:20.18 | Nyle | at least the community is |
| 03:20.23 | wols | Nyle: they see your OT stuff too and don't give a shit. for years now. so don't throw rocks in the glasshouse, k? |
| 03:20.23 | Nyle | *sigh* saddens me to see it |
| 03:20.42 | enouf | amine: cat /proc/swaps - but free should also show swap (1GB) |
| 03:20.45 | Nyle | when you know you're wrong and cornered you start up with personal attacks |
| 03:20.47 | eitan | wols: that's how they were when I first tried #ubuntu... and that's the reason I've never went back... in contrast with #debian where everyone was so helpful... but that was a while ago. |
| 03:20.57 | Nyle | dont' worry about me, worry about yourself, stop mistreating debian users please |
| 03:21.02 | Nyle | don't give debian a bad name |
| 03:21.05 | Nyle | I beg of you. |
| 03:21.12 | wols | Nyle: was I calling your asshole right now? please take your OT rambling elsewhere |
| 03:21.22 | Nyle | then kindly grow up. |
| 03:21.23 | Nyle | act your age. |
| 03:21.28 | Nyle | or get the fuck out. |
| 03:21.42 | amine | enouf: they also gave me only 585G of HDD |
| 03:21.42 | wols | !ops please make Nyle stop the OT rambling |
| 03:21.42 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: wols complains about: please make Nyle stop the OT rambling |
| 03:21.46 | amine | enouf: never trust new providers :( |
| 03:21.58 | eitan | wo! let's all calm down... |
| 03:21.59 | Nyle | !ops please stop wols from abusing debian users |
| 03:21.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nyle complains about: please stop wols from abusing debian users |
| 03:22.17 | enouf | amine: lesson learned ;-) |
| 03:22.41 | enouf | amine: how much HDD did they claim? and which FS is on it? |
| 03:23.29 | wols | eitan: is it clear now how to see where on which partition a certain directory is? |
| 03:23.52 | Nyle | http://www.freeos.com/articles/3102/ |
| 03:23.55 | Nyle | this is a great arcile |
| 03:24.01 | amine | enouf: http://www.limestonenetworks.com/servers/serverdetails.html?id=28 , ext3 |
| 03:24.03 | Nyle | explailns each file system thing in detail |
| 03:24.07 | enouf | eitan: partitions are basically walled off areas of your HDD |
| 03:24.08 | Nyle | like /, /bin etc.etc. |
| 03:24.13 | Nyle | this might be a good resource to you |
| 03:24.16 | Nyle | look that link over |
| 03:24.37 | amine | They gave me the server below this one (4GB RAM, 640GB) |
| 03:25.00 | enouf | eitan: each HDD, that contains partitions also has a MPT in the 446-510 bytes area of the first disk sector |
| 03:25.11 | enouf | eitan: as far as MSDOS LAbels go anyways |
| 03:25.52 | enouf | amine: well 4GB RAM is correct |
| 03:26.47 | amine | Yup, they gave me http://www.limestonenetworks.com/servers/serverdetails.html?id=27 instead which is basically 4GB ram and 640GB hdd |
| 03:27.11 | enouf | amine: and 640GB with ext3 and base10 HDD manu MB (1,000) vs OS computer base2 (1024) and inodes and Root default 5% safety REserved blocks likely is ~ correct |
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| 03:27.50 | amine | enouf: not a bad price though because I got http://www.limestonenetworks.com/servers/serverdetails.html?id=28 + 100mbit (+$10) + 16 IP addresses (+$8) - 25% off coupon for the lifetime of the server = $147/month |
| 03:28.00 | enouf | amine: so you lose ~55GB for Reserved blocks (5%) and whatever the actually HDD is, use lshal | less and see true Byte counts |
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| 03:28.27 | enouf | amine: dumpe2fs -h /dev/sda1 say will show reserved block count (root 5 %) |
| 03:28.31 | eitan | wols: sorry.. I stepped away. |
| 03:28.45 | wols | amine: it is a bad price. ok for US I guess tho |
| 03:29.00 | eitan | wols: I'ts not clear... can you please tell me what command will show that? |
| 03:29.34 | wols | eitan: "ls" and you know what directory it is in, right? |
| 03:29.48 | wols | e.g. /home/eitan/stuff |
| 03:30.01 | enouf | amine: one of my 80GB HDDs from lshal | less , then '/', then 'hda', then <enter> --> storage.size = 82348277760 (0x132c570000) (uint64) |
| 03:30.06 | eitan | enouf: I know about partitions... I just want to know if there is a version of ls or another command entirely that will list the contents of directories and show the physcial drive or partition location for each file/subdir ... like hda hdb ... etc. |
| 03:30.23 | amine | wols: http://www.layeredtech.com/dedicated-servers/multi-processor-multi-core.php |
| 03:30.24 | wols | no there is not. but answer my quetion please |
| 03:30.33 | amine | wols: $147 is a steal (assuming they give me the right hardware!) |
| 03:30.34 | enouf | eitan: no, linux doesn't use Drive Letters |
| 03:30.43 | eitan | wols: yes.. I know the directory... |
| 03:31.11 | wols | amine: http://www.hetzner.de/rootserver_en.html |
| 03:31.28 | wols | eitan: then do a "df" and you see e.g. that /dev/hdb1 is /home |
| 03:31.45 | wols | so all directories under /home are on 2nd disk partition 1 |
| 03:31.48 | eitan | enouf: right.. fine... but look... like fdisk -l shows you what drives and partitions you have... great... so how about a command that lists the contents of directories ALONG with info about what drive they're on? |
| 03:32.00 | wols | there you know where all files under /home/eitan/stuff are |
| 03:32.01 | enouf | eitan: df shows mounted partitions and you can't ls on umounted partitions so |
| 03:32.28 | wols | eitan: no, does not exist unless you write a script for it that does the steps I told you automatically |
| 03:32.34 | eitan | wols: got that df... that's helpful... |
| 03:32.52 | enouf | eitan: i'm really sorry, but it's very intuitive to me, i'm having trouble seeing how it's not to (some) others |
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| 03:33.22 | amine | wols: 79 BPS ~ 158 USD, I get a faster processor and more ram, you get 2x more hdd |
| 03:33.27 | eitan | wols: but that is kind of a top down thing... is there anything that will show the directory with a some kind of entry next to the filename that tells you ... "this is on hdb" for example? |
| 03:33.34 | enouf | eitan: using LABELs and/or UUIDs to identify /dev/names might help you sort it |
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| 03:34.10 | enouf | i guess eitan , a file browser like Kde konq will show you that info |
| 03:34.12 | wols | amine: for 100EUR which is 150USD you get more RAM, hardware RAID, etc |
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| 03:34.41 | enouf | eitan: it's almost similar to explorer.exe , with a left hand column and such, if you set it up that way |
| 03:35.02 | wols | ok, no dualcore at yours, right |
| 03:35.43 | eitan | enouf: that sounds good... but you're saying there's no easy way to do that at the command line without all kinds of scripts and things... right? |
| 03:36.29 | amine | wols: ah I thought that was british lbs |
| 03:36.34 | enouf | eitan: anything is possible ;-) and maybe all it needs is an alias or some hacking ;-) |
| 03:37.31 | enouf | eitan: many people color their login prompts certain ways, and also change the prompt name, so they don't get confused when dealing with many machines, various dirs and chroots and such |
| 03:37.39 | enouf | s/login// |
| 03:38.05 | eitan | enouf: I get the feeling that (no effense) everyone in the linux community loves it more when things don't happen easily, but rather when you have to "hack" something to get something simple done. |
| 03:38.27 | PingFloyd | eitan: not necessarily |
| 03:38.34 | PingFloyd | eitan: they love flexibility though |
| 03:38.36 | enouf | eitan: as i said, it's intuitive to me to know what youre asking ... so maybe it's more about perspective |
| 03:38.41 | Nyle | enouf, ping |
| 03:38.51 | enouf | yo |
| 03:39.21 | xsdg | eitan: my take on it is that I like when things work _exactly_ how I want them to, not sort of how I want them to |
| 03:39.23 | eitan | enouf: got it... |
| 03:39.41 | eitan | PingFloyd: do you know PinkFreud? |
| 03:39.51 | wols | eitan: it is simplpe. on windows this is pretty much impossible and it's not done either |
| 03:40.16 | wols | eitan: there is no obvious link between D:\ and any particular phys harddisk pr üartition |
| 03:40.45 | PingFloyd | eitan: it's more of a different mindset that takes getting used to. Instead of programs that have everything crammed into them, it's about simple and focused programs that can be used in a flexible manner |
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| 03:41.00 | eitan | wols: right... but once you find out what it is you know that ALL the files on D are on that phisical drive or partition. |
| 03:41.05 | wols | PingFloyd: and logical way too |
| 03:41.21 | eitan | in linux you have to df |
| 03:41.27 | newsense | all drives are combined into one treelike filesystem |
| 03:41.29 | PingFloyd | eitan: from the proprietary world, they like for everyone to be locked in, but in the free/open world, there isn't that motivation |
| 03:41.30 | wols | eitan: when you find out what it is, you know ALL files on /home are on /dev/hdb1 |
| 03:41.46 | wols | eitan: on windows you have to use disk manager |
| 03:41.57 | xsdg | wols: well, not really, but that's on purpose |
| 03:41.59 | PingFloyd | eitan: instead it's about "here's the tools you can use freely and you can mold them to your needs how ever you please" |
| 03:42.28 | xsdg | wols: mount /dev/sdXN /home/foouser |
| 03:42.29 | enouf | Nyle: citrus would also help ... a bit .. like oranges, grapefruit, etc |
| 03:42.33 | wols | PingFloyd: unix is proprietary too.... |
| 03:42.40 | newsense | tears up |
| 03:42.40 | Nyle | wrong window |
| 03:42.42 | Nyle | :) |
| 03:42.43 | newsense | lol |
| 03:42.47 | eitan | look guys I love linux and all... I think it's great... that's why I've been trying to move away from windows... but some things you have to admit are just not intuitive and tricky... |
| 03:42.59 | Nyle | eitan, sure |
| 03:43.06 | Nyle | you must treat linux like nothing else |
| 03:43.13 | PingFloyd | eitan: it gets easier with time |
| 03:43.15 | wols | eitan: you are wrong again. windows has many idiosyncrasis and special cases. linux is a lot more logically laid out |
| 03:43.17 | Nyle | pretend you know nothing about computer, treat linux as if youwere first learning windows |
| 03:43.21 | Nyle | its not hard or tricky |
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| 03:43.25 | Nyle | its just new and different |
| 03:43.29 | Nyle | you'll learn with time |
| 03:43.32 | Nyle | no big deal |
| 03:43.41 | PingFloyd | eitan: the hardest part when you're new is learning to think in *nix terms |
| 03:43.47 | eitan | if everything in linux were easy... then none of you would be any more knowledgable about it than any newbie... the only reason that you're considered knowledgable is because there is in face A LOT to know about linux |
| 03:43.57 | wols | eitan: you just know them in windows already and now come to linux expecting them there too |
| 03:43.58 | newsense | ive had better luck recovering a broken linux system than a windows system when i was a very new linux user |
| 03:44.09 | wols | eitan: same for windows |
| 03:44.13 | newsense | things just make moe sense |
| 03:44.31 | wols | eitan: but your learning there is long ago so you don't see it as such |
| 03:44.37 | eitan | wols: yes and no... in windows... since hacking is much harder people usually don't bother |
| 03:44.38 | quagga | as long as the data is safe, it is easy enough to rebuild a system |
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| 03:45.04 | wols | eitan: that too. but look at a totally new user like your mom or gramps. they have a LOT of problems in windows |
| 03:45.18 | wols | eitan: and they are very similar to yours with linux right now actually |
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| 03:46.42 | newsense | my first computer ran linux and i moved to windows when i saw my friends with it but eventually came back |
| 03:46.56 | eitan | wols: ok... well two issues: the using the linux cli is a matter of having an encyclopedic knowledge of hundreds or thousands of commands... and when you do you can do most anything you like.... using gnome locks you into all kinds of asenine behaviors but there is no "easy" way of contolling gnome behaviors. |
| 03:47.41 | eitan | wols: the solution in my mind... for most people.... is making things like gnome be much more "controllable" without having people resort to the cli just to do something simple |
| 03:48.23 | eitan | wols: I know... whine to the gnome folks... sorry to say they are always awol... I don't think they are really interested in people's opinions. |
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| 03:52.10 | PingFloyd | it's the same with windows in that sense |
| 03:52.34 | DogBoy | using command line is a question of knowing how to read man or info pages and learning the shell |
| 03:53.10 | DogBoy | why pick on gnome specifically |
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| 03:53.52 | enouf | eitan: gnome also has some things like gconftool2 and gconf --help-client ??? not sure that helps you though - and i don't even use gnome :-P |
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| 03:53.57 | eitan | this install is so screwed up... I'm thinking of wiping it and trying again.... ugh!!!! etch= not ready for prime time. |
| 03:54.20 | enouf | or eitan == not ready for linux :-P |
| 03:54.42 | eitan | enouf: I changed fstab and it automatically changed the nautilus windows and removed the non-existant cdrom |
| 03:54.44 | DogBoy | heh |
| 03:54.50 | newsense | enouf: thats more like it |
| 03:54.52 | PingFloyd | DogBoy: because it is fashionable to pick on gnome out of DEs |
| 03:54.56 | eitan | enouf: do you really mean that, or are you joking? |
| 03:55.02 | newsense | its unfair |
| 03:55.04 | enouf | eitan: i can actually link you to some decent tutorials |
| 03:55.23 | newsense | i like kde personally but think its wrong to pick on gnome specifically |
| 03:55.35 | enouf | but without reading them and practicing and wanting to learn it wont do any good |
| 03:55.38 | newsense | coulda just blamed the xwindow system |
| 03:55.38 | eitan | enouf: I'm not an idiot... I just don't know as much as you about the low level linux stuff |
| 03:56.17 | enouf | who called you an idiot? or even implied it? sheeesh |
| 03:56.23 | DogBoy | the basic quandary is the same, it's powerful because the command set is limited (not because it's graphical) but only in a limited sense |
| 03:56.31 | enouf | you made a silly statement, i countered ;-) |
| 03:56.33 | DogBoy | if you want real power you have to use the command line |
| 03:56.37 | newsense | i personally use command line tools to administer my system but like kde themes |
| 03:56.52 | eitan | enouf: I wasn't being insulted... I was speaking in hyperbole |
| 03:56.54 | enouf | (or as we say "returned the favor") ;-) |
| 03:57.00 | newsense | use tty1 most of the time though |
| 03:57.29 | enouf | that's nice, my parabola is just about done cooking - gotta eat noe ;-) |
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| 03:57.32 | enouf | now* |
| 03:57.42 | newsense | sometimes use all 6 virtual terminals |
| 03:58.28 | eitan | .... ok... now my repositories are broken... what are the us repositories for etch? |
| 03:59.23 | newsense | !repos |
| 03:59.24 | dpkg | i heard repos is See entry for 'sources.list' |
| 03:59.26 | eitan | enouf: ... not silly... it's just that in chat you can't communicate intonation |
| 03:59.27 | BrahmsC | the installer have a list |
| 04:00.20 | eitan | I think I'm just going wipe this install... It's so frustrating... eitan=not ready for linux (Even after two years of using debian) most people=not ready for linux either |
| 04:00.23 | DogBoy | sure you can |
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| 04:00.44 | PingFloyd | there's a list of mirror on debian.org |
| 04:00.44 | DogBoy | just not as easily |
| 04:01.19 | deadcat | is there some bugs on debian ppc bootup packages? i just booted up and login i get -bash: /dev/null: Perm denied |
| 04:02.01 | eitan | does ANYONE here use gnome |
| 04:02.02 | eitan | ? |
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| 04:02.07 | newsense | no |
| 04:02.10 | path_ | why now I have hda instead of scd in my fstab ? |
| 04:02.13 | newsense | no one does here |
| 04:02.16 | path_ | is it because the module ? |
| 04:02.19 | eitan | everyone kde?? |
| 04:02.19 | newsense | #gnome |
| 04:02.21 | PingFloyd | eitan: I used to, but I like icewm better |
| 04:02.25 | newsense | kde i use it |
| 04:02.32 | eitan | #gnome is #silent |
| 04:02.34 | newsense | kde-core |
| 04:02.51 | eitan | #gnome=not a soul saying a thing |
| 04:02.53 | newsense | i dont have the whole kde metapackage istalled eww |
| 04:03.03 | eitan | #gnome=get ignored city |
| 04:03.06 | enouf | deadcat: what are the perms on /dev/null ? ls -l /dev/null |
| 04:03.24 | deadcat | enouf: 660. |
| 04:03.32 | enouf | there's an irc.gome.org |
| 04:03.39 | enouf | deadcat: change that to 666 |
| 04:03.48 | deadcat | enouf: ya. but reboot it will change back to 660 |
| 04:03.58 | enouf | deadcat: check also /dev/random and /dev/zero |
| 04:03.59 | deadcat | enouf: something is wrong but dmesg doesnt show any error |
| 04:04.05 | PingFloyd | deadcat: got to fix your udev rules |
| 04:04.12 | enouf | and maybe /urandom |
| 04:04.12 | PingFloyd | deadcat: and it does indeed sound like a bug |
| 04:04.15 | deadcat | enouf: all 660 |
| 04:04.29 | newsense | should be 666 |
| 04:04.31 | PingFloyd | deadcat: I'd file a bug report if I were you |
| 04:04.34 | eitan | enouf: let's see if that irc.gnome.org business works... thanks for the tip... |
| 04:04.36 | enouf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 deadcat . but it seems to have spread, or be related |
| 04:04.57 | deadcat | PingFloyd: ya. |
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| 04:05.03 | PingFloyd | deadcat: that's how the brainfarts get fixed :) |
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| 04:05.55 | deadcat | enouf: thanks. downgrade or wait? (= |
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| 04:06.07 | enouf | deadcat: manually fix == workaround ;-) |
| 04:06.28 | deadcat | enouf: damn. no apt-get update fix? (= |
| 04:06.41 | deadcat | because it didnt load my sungem module either. |
| 04:06.43 | enouf | hah, chmod 666 /dev/null |
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| 04:06.56 | enouf | etc |
| 04:07.40 | newsense | i agree with enouf |
| 04:08.07 | newsense | than file bug report |
| 04:08.10 | deadcat | enouf: thanks. i dont know how you found that bug page but its what i am looking for. maybe dmsetup's next version will fix. |
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| 04:09.15 | enouf | ~$ ls -l /dev/{null,random,urandom,zero} | awk '{ print$1 }' | xargs |
| 04:09.15 | enouf | crw-rw-rw- crw-rw-rw- crw-rw-rw- crw-rw-rw- |
| 04:09.18 | enouf | heh |
| 04:09.51 | enouf | deadcat: other people have experienced the issue .. sharing knowledge is a good thing ;-) |
| 04:10.05 | deadcat | enouf: ya. there are alot of stuff not working. i am just gonna downgrade. |
| 04:10.29 | enouf | deadcat: it's easy enough to chmod 4 files .. but whatever |
| 04:10.41 | deadcat | enouf: ya. but when i reboot i dont want to change again. |
| 04:11.11 | enouf | well, if you apply that fix to those specific udev rules.d scripts, the changes will stick |
| 04:11.16 | enouf | deadcat: ^^^^ |
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| 04:14.33 | deadcat | damn. i apt-get clean, now i am looking for dmsetup 2:1.02.27-1 ppc instead of -2. where can i find -1? |
| 04:14.38 | newsense | anyone have a preference over mplayer and xine, having trouble choosing one over the other |
| 04:14.59 | BrahmsC | newsense: what dso you prefer ? |
| 04:15.01 | deadcat | newsense: get both. when 1 fails use the other. |
| 04:15.12 | newsense | dso ? |
| 04:15.30 | BrahmsC | add vlc as a backup |
| 04:15.36 | newsense | when 1 fails ? |
| 04:15.40 | DogBoy | it's true, some stuff you can't do with mplayer |
| 04:15.46 | newsense | sounds bad lol |
| 04:16.01 | DogBoy | but it's preferred because you can use it without x |
| 04:16.01 | newsense | so xine is the better choice ? |
| 04:16.06 | DogBoy | no |
| 04:16.08 | DogBoy | mplayer |
| 04:16.18 | newsense | mplayer from tty ? |
| 04:16.21 | BrahmsC | if vlc don't work, learn to draw animations in ascii |
| 04:16.26 | DogBoy | mplayer period |
| 04:16.31 | wols | BrahmsC: libcaca |
| 04:16.46 | rsk | mplayer is better, but it's a bit dated in debian. |
| 04:16.50 | jmhealey | BrahmsC: I use vlc for all with good result |
| 04:17.09 | newsense | thanks im getting mplayer |
| 04:17.09 | DogBoy | easy to fix that, don't use the debian one |
| 04:17.15 | wols | !dmm |
| 04:17.15 | dpkg | dmm is probably Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 04:17.15 | BrahmsC | wols: hum ? |
| 04:17.28 | newsense | in official repos or multimedia only ? |
| 04:17.28 | wols | BrahmsC: ascii art output |
| 04:17.43 | DogBoy | use the multimedia one |
| 04:17.48 | DogBoy | or make your own package |
| 04:18.10 | PingFloyd | nice thing about the upstream mplayer is that it has a make target to make a deb pkg |
| 04:18.18 | newsense | cool yall are the best, thats why my way is the debian way everyday |
| 04:18.31 | PingFloyd | if only all upstream source was like that |
| 04:18.38 | newsense | too many beers ;x |
| 04:18.56 | BrahmsC | wols ^_^ |
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| 04:19.26 | BrahmsC | newsense you are new to debian? |
| 04:19.32 | newsense | no |
| 04:19.59 | newsense | ran potato woody sarge |
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| 04:20.12 | newsense | forget the first release i ran |
| 04:20.24 | DogBoy | I guess that's another reason to use mplayer PingFloyd |
| 04:23.20 | newsense | xine has more depends and takes up over twice as much hdd space as mplayer |
| 04:23.57 | newsense | way more than twice @#$% |
| 04:24.10 | DogBoy | space is cheap |
| 04:24.32 | SeveredCross | Hey #debian, random question: if I'm not using X locally (ie. I'm forwarding it across SSH), can I remove it? |
| 04:24.33 | newsense | true but unused libs and crap are annoying |
| 04:24.40 | SeveredCross | is setting up a VM of Debian for some development,. |
| 04:24.42 | DogBoy | I never use it myself but have heard that sometimes it will play something mplayer won't |
| 04:24.54 | newsense | w32codecs |
| 04:25.36 | newsense | unless youre playing yugoslavian pr0n youre good |
| 04:25.51 | SeveredCross | Hey, there's some good Yugoslavian pr0n. :P |
| 04:26.02 | newsense | im not knockin it |
| 04:26.03 | newsense | lol |
| 04:26.12 | DogBoy | is that by mexico |
| 04:26.13 | newsense | i love me some yugoslav pr0n |
| 04:26.21 | newsense | i think so |
| 04:26.33 | newsense | or arizona |
| 04:26.37 | newsense | one of the 2 |
| 04:26.39 | PingFloyd | need to one-handed gui of xine for it |
| 04:26.49 | newsense | lmao |
| 04:27.07 | PingFloyd | xine gets higher marks on pr0n surfing |
| 04:27.11 | DogBoy | voice of experience |
| 04:28.05 | newsense | my gf is not finding me too funny but im laughing |
| 04:28.22 | newsense | shes anti-irc |
| 04:28.31 | PingFloyd | just tell her she's not fooling anyone |
| 04:28.51 | newsense | everytime i laugh she gives a dirty look, lmao |
| 04:29.26 | PingFloyd | that's because women feel the need to save face instead of just being outright honest |
| 04:30.29 | newsense | tests mplayer with the dark knight trailer (im from chicago gotham) |
| 04:30.30 | quagga | interesting point to walk back to the computer ... |
| 04:30.52 | PingFloyd | I saw dark knight tonight |
| 04:30.53 | quagga | i always gathered that nyc was gotham |
| 04:31.03 | newsense | not the dark knight |
| 04:31.10 | newsense | it was filmed here in chicago |
| 04:31.40 | newsense | previous were based on ny i think |
| 04:31.46 | quagga | ah interesting. i still hate batman so it doesn't bother me |
| 04:31.58 | PingFloyd | quagga: did you ever see Batman Begins? |
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| 04:32.12 | newsense | good movie |
| 04:32.14 | quagga | I watch about 15 minutes and turned it off |
| 04:32.17 | newsense | 3 hrs long though |
| 04:32.29 | newsense | shit |
| 04:32.30 | PingFloyd | Dark Knight was pretty long too |
| 04:32.36 | quagga | it still didn't change that i don't like batman |
| 04:32.36 | PingFloyd | was good though |
| 04:32.41 | newsense | hour 50 i hear |
| 04:33.07 | newsense | not from any reliable source though |
| 04:33.08 | PingFloyd | it was at least 2.5 hours |
| 04:33.38 | newsense | dam |
| 04:33.49 | PingFloyd | movie started at 7:30 didn't get over till 10:15 |
| 04:33.55 | PingFloyd | some of that time may have been trailers |
| 04:33.56 | newsense | i gotta see it |
| 04:33.57 | dread | 2 hours 38 minutes |
| 04:34.03 | newsense | sold out here |
| 04:34.16 | newsense | im not waiting in line for that long |
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| 04:34.38 | newsense | wanna see it at the imax at navy pier |
| 04:35.07 | dread | i saw it yesterday, it was amazing. I'm seeing it next week at the henry ford imax theatre |
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| 04:36.15 | PingFloyd | I liked when he did his disappearing pencil trick |
| 04:36.39 | DeFirence | can anyone tell me why everyone hates iptables and routing so much? why is it impossible to get any help with it at all? |
| 04:36.40 | newsense | well eveyone was right mplayer isnt working too good for me |
| 04:36.54 | newsense | maybe i do need xine and the others too |
| 04:37.06 | newsense | my video plays but not too smoothly |
| 04:37.18 | PingFloyd | newsense: probably the vo driver you're using |
| 04:37.27 | newsense | nah |
| 04:37.32 | newsense | changed that right away |
| 04:37.35 | newsense | ;) |
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| 04:37.59 | PingFloyd | are you watching it full screen? |
| 04:38.03 | newsense | no |
| 04:38.08 | newsense | might be the video |
| 04:38.14 | newsense | gonna try another |
| 04:38.42 | newsense | said it was a trailer but seems to be a sample of a bootleg |
| 04:38.42 | PingFloyd | if doing fullscreen, try -vm option |
| 04:38.57 | PingFloyd | probably the video itself then |
| 04:39.02 | newsense | yeah |
| 04:39.11 | PingFloyd | mplayer's info should show what the original frame rate is |
| 04:39.24 | newsense | whee does it show that |
| 04:39.31 | PingFloyd | in the console |
| 04:39.36 | jescis | I'm at the SCSI part of the kernel config, and I was wondering if SATA's considered SCSI(RAID) or if it's something else :/ |
| 04:39.46 | PingFloyd | try running it from the shell |
| 04:39.52 | PingFloyd | that will give some helpful info |
| 04:39.55 | newsense | fps or framerate ? |
| 04:40.04 | PingFloyd | fps is framerate |
| 04:40.08 | newsense | is it under something like that?> |
| 04:40.29 | PingFloyd | think it will say fps |
| 04:40.34 | enouf | setup a nice ~/.mplayer/config too |
| 04:40.38 | newsense | i am one sec |
| 04:40.42 | enouf | you want -vo xv |
| 04:40.42 | newsense | brb |
| 04:40.57 | enouf | file filename.avi |
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| 04:41.34 | enouf | !wb peterS |
| 04:41.35 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! peterS has returned! |
| 04:41.46 | peterS | enouf, enouf |
| 04:42.09 | peterS | see now I feel like I'm supposed to feel frabjous |
| 04:42.09 | enouf | how's kansas hanging dorothy? :-) |
| 04:42.30 | VulpesFoxnik | Does anyone here have experience with NFS? |
| 04:42.32 | peterS | as far as I can tell it's doing its usual thing for this time of year. lots of insects and so forth |
| 04:42.52 | peterS | VulpesFoxnik: that's a pretty open-ended question, with a not-so-useful answer. the answer being "yes, some of us do" |
| 04:42.59 | enouf | yeah, it was stinkin HOT as all heck here |
| 04:43.50 | VulpesFoxnik | ok, I'll make it more specific. NFS v4 without using Kerbos and with nfs over a vfat file system. |
| 04:45.16 | VulpesFoxnik | I don't think my idmapd is working properly.... even though my ID's on the server and the client are one in the same. there should be no issue, but they all get mapped to "nobody" |
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| 04:46.48 | VulpesFoxnik | I've even tried forcing the smashed id's to my user id 1000 |
| 04:46.55 | VulpesFoxnik | Nothing changes. -sigh- |
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| 04:48.30 | VulpesFoxnik | You know anything about my problem Peters? |
| 04:49.20 | peterS | wait what? NFS over freakin VFAT? |
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| 04:49.31 | simonrvn | eew, on vfat? |
| 04:49.31 | VulpesFoxnik | I don't have an option but to do it. |
| 04:49.43 | peterS | anyway what you want is norootsquash |
| 04:49.46 | VulpesFoxnik | I need to share those drives with windows. |
| 04:49.56 | VulpesFoxnik | No I have all_squash |
| 04:50.20 | VulpesFoxnik | and anonid=1000 |
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| 04:50.31 | peterS | I dunno, if I were your kernel I'd be chuckling behind my hand at you |
| 04:50.36 | peterS | I mean, wtf, vfat? |
| 04:50.49 | peterS | anyway I don't know of a specific reason it wouldn't work |
| 04:50.52 | VulpesFoxnik | It's better than ntfs :P |
| 04:50.55 | PingFloyd | why do you have to use vfat? |
| 04:50.59 | simonrvn | using windows clients... i'd just use samba |
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| 04:51.20 | VulpesFoxnik | It's a dual boot system, and I use vfat to share my data files between |
| 04:51.30 | VulpesFoxnik | including my email and such |
| 04:51.30 | simonrvn | i see |
| 04:51.49 | simonrvn | i'm getting a headache just thinking about the issues... |
| 04:52.04 | VulpesFoxnik | The REAL problem is that the ID on the client system isn't right |
| 04:52.15 | VulpesFoxnik | It's all set to nobody.. even for the ext3 drives |
| 04:52.23 | peterS | is the client system also windows, then? or is it some other unix? |
| 04:52.40 | VulpesFoxnik | Server 2k3 and Linux is what I use on that machine |
| 04:53.15 | VulpesFoxnik | The client is linux only |
| 04:53.21 | enouf | serious homogenization issues .. we're going to need some milk for this |
| 04:54.12 | VulpesFoxnik | both the user ID and group id show on the client 4294967294 |
| 04:54.19 | simonrvn | brings out the pregnant moose^Wcow |
| 04:54.20 | peterS | i.e., -2? |
| 04:54.31 | jescis | enouf: Do you know if in linux SATA == SCSI? or would adding support for something I don't have kill my hd space or the distro itself? :/ |
| 04:54.54 | enouf | jescis: huh? |
| 04:55.08 | enouf | jescis: are you compiling a kernel ? :-) |
| 04:55.08 | peterS | jescis: sata isn't scsi, but the sata drivers use the scsi subsystem as though it were scsi |
| 04:55.17 | simonrvn | i for one would enable scsi support, since it does use that subsystem... but otherwise that's unclear |
| 04:55.29 | jescis | enouf: yeah |
| 04:55.33 | enouf | jescis: you want scsi anyway for usb support as well |
| 04:55.43 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 04:55.43 | PingFloyd | jescis: you generally need the scsi drivers supported in the kernel you build, but I don't get the second part of your question. |
| 04:55.47 | simonrvn | usb-storage |
| 04:55.50 | VulpesFoxnik | takes herself out back with a shotgun and puts herself out of her misery. |
| 04:56.03 | simonrvn | aaw, it's ok |
| 04:56.10 | enouf | PingFloyd: yeah .. hence my "huh?" ;-) |
| 04:56.23 | PingFloyd | VulpesFoxnik: take the server 2k3 out back and shoot it instead |
| 04:56.40 | simonrvn | that would work better, and no foxen get hurt |
| 04:56.40 | enouf | jescis: debian kernels are nice ;-) |
| 04:57.02 | VulpesFoxnik | PingFloyd: Converting those file system to ext3 or otherwise would be a major undertaking |
| 04:57.12 | VulpesFoxnik | We are talking terabytes |
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| 04:57.20 | simonrvn | ouch :( |
| 04:57.42 | jescis | PingFloyd: enouf I mean outside usb devices and SATA connections built into my mobo, I don't have a scsi interface |
| 04:57.54 | simonrvn | jescis: and? |
| 04:57.59 | VulpesFoxnik | And Kernel 5.2 is so much better than XP. |
| 04:58.00 | enouf | jescis: most people don't |
| 04:58.05 | PingFloyd | jescis: look in your motherboard manual to find the answer to that |
| 04:58.16 | jescis | and the more things I add to a kernel the bigger it gets afaik |
| 04:58.26 | enouf | jescis: bigger? |
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| 04:58.49 | enouf | jescis: you're worried about kernel size? and why are you compiling? |
| 04:58.49 | PingFloyd | jescis: to some degree, but most of the support is modularized these days, so it is somewhat of a moot point in this day and age |
| 04:58.52 | newsense | these days what does it matter |
| 04:59.10 | VulpesFoxnik | I don't think switching the filesystem is going to make my problem any easier... something is wrong with my nfs or idmap. |
| 04:59.13 | newsense | processors are fast disk space is cheap and so is ram |
| 04:59.22 | enouf | jescis: rule of thumb, when unsure, make a module :-) |
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| 04:59.25 | simonrvn | the build sources can take up to 500-750 MB... |
| 04:59.28 | jescis | PingFloyd: not if I don't add them as modules |
| 04:59.36 | PingFloyd | jescis: and why wouldn't you |
| 04:59.59 | simonrvn | boot disk being sata ;) |
| 05:00.38 | newsense | going for a non initial ramdisk kernel |
| 05:00.42 | jescis | hhmmm, I never thought really why I wanted no modules vs. modules :/ |
| 05:00.55 | VulpesFoxnik | is there something I need to enable in hosts.allow for idmap to work correctly? |
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| 05:01.11 | newsense | modules are good for hardware that isnt always connected or may be replaced |
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| 05:01.44 | enouf | or may be added |
| 05:01.51 | simonrvn | VulpesFoxnik: no, just the conf needs tweaking afaik |
| 05:01.54 | newsense | yes yes or that |
| 05:01.54 | PingFloyd | they're also good if you're not sure if you're never going to need said support |
| 05:02.02 | enouf | like so many friggin gadgets these days, not to mention .. oh nm |
| 05:02.05 | PingFloyd | or trying to make a kernel that will work on an assortment of systems |
| 05:02.14 | VulpesFoxnik | simonrvn: Would you like to take a look at my work? |
| 05:02.35 | jescis | So, dhould I scrap the process? |
| 05:02.44 | simonrvn | that was a parting shot, actually |
| 05:02.46 | jescis | should* |
| 05:02.51 | enouf | well, out it aside maybe jescis ;-) |
| 05:02.58 | simonrvn | VulpesFoxnik: aaw, ok, shoot |
| 05:03.11 | enouf | whoops well, put it aside maybe jescis ;-) |
| 05:04.03 | enouf | jescis: are you using debian sources or vanilla sources? (just curious) |
| 05:04.18 | jescis | debian |
| 05:04.23 | jescis | afaik |
| 05:04.35 | simonrvn | VulpesFoxnik: i use ldap with idmap, but haven't added any info in ldap for it, yet ;) |
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| 05:05.50 | newsense | jescis: go for it and if it doesnt work load your original kernel config and tweak it and ake a new revision |
| 05:05.57 | jescis | enouf: linux-kernel == debian or vanilla? |
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| 05:06.42 | enouf | jescis: well, that's part of a proper debian name ;0 |
| 05:07.15 | newsense | vanilla is without deb patches ? |
| 05:07.19 | PingFloyd | yeah |
| 05:07.21 | enouf | correct |
| 05:07.26 | newsense | thats what i thought |
| 05:07.27 | PingFloyd | and usually downloaded through kernel.org etc |
| 05:07.39 | jescis | linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 05:07.40 | newsense | also known as prestine |
| 05:07.47 | newsense | or some shit |
| 05:07.48 | newsense | lol |
| 05:07.55 | simonrvn | "pristine" ;) |
| 05:08.09 | newsense | drunk |
| 05:08.17 | newsense | excuse me |
| 05:08.34 | jescis | lol @ newsense |
| 05:08.47 | VulpesFoxnik | simonrvn: http://pastebin.com/m72f6657a |
| 05:08.53 | newsense | i know what im talking about deep down |
| 05:08.58 | VulpesFoxnik | Sorry that took me so long |
| 05:09.09 | simonrvn | np |
| 05:09.30 | jescis | newsense: that's what really matters most ;) |
| 05:09.40 | newsense | lmao, tell my girl that |
| 05:10.03 | enouf | jescis: better ;-) yeah, that's debian . well, depending on where you got it from :-P and the actula full version |
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| 05:10.28 | simonrvn | try STATD=y |
| 05:10.31 | VulpesFoxnik | simonrvn: Neither of them seem to make a difference in the outcome of my file access. They always end up as "nobody", regardless. |
| 05:10.32 | newsense | !beer |
| 05:10.32 | dpkg | i guess beer is liquid gold mate |
| 05:10.44 | newsense | sure is dpkg now get me one |
| 05:11.10 | VulpesFoxnik | simonrvn: statd is not needed for nfs4 |
| 05:11.25 | jescis | !get beer |
| 05:11.52 | simonrvn | dunno, but i don't use 'insecure' |
| 05:11.55 | enouf | VulpesFoxnik: nfs4 adds a whole host of other stuff besides kerberos (which you said 'without kerberos') doesn't it? |
| 05:12.01 | simonrvn | VulpesFoxnik: ok |
| 05:12.11 | simonrvn | enouf: yes, that's possible |
| 05:12.28 | VulpesFoxnik | enouf: Thats what insecure is for. It turns it off. I need nfs4 to bypass the issues with vfat |
| 05:14.07 | simonrvn | i see |
| 05:14.15 | enouf | hrm .. no xattributes or anything? i'm guessing |
| 05:14.27 | VulpesFoxnik | something about the Inodes |
| 05:14.46 | simonrvn | i'm still using v3, but i'm not having to deal with bloody windows either, just os x |
| 05:14.51 | VulpesFoxnik | the Vfat permissions were taken care of long ago. |
| 05:15.04 | VulpesFoxnik | I make them umasked |
| 05:15.07 | enouf | VulpesFoxnik: there aren't any vfat perms |
| 05:15.27 | VulpesFoxnik | Other than r/o and hidden ;) |
| 05:15.27 | enouf | well .. |
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| 05:15.41 | enouf | + archive :-O |
| 05:15.53 | VulpesFoxnik | I've never known what the heck archive is for |
| 05:16.00 | PingFloyd | for backups |
| 05:16.11 | PingFloyd | for differential incremental etc |
| 05:16.12 | jescis | enouf: the hard part is that most of the guides on the net are for xconfig or menuconfig, and I was made to use config :/ |
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| 05:16.23 | enouf | who cares .. some java nut was asking some crap about it for ntfs in some other channel, lmao |
| 05:16.45 | PingFloyd | when a file has changed the archive attribute is set then when you run a backup on the file, it's unset |
| 05:16.57 | jelly-home | "please archive me" |
| 05:17.10 | VulpesFoxnik | NTFS us an entier different beast. It has all sorts of attrubutes |
| 05:17.10 | enouf | jescis: you were made to? hrm, you'll be right at home with oldconfig then ;-) |
| 05:17.22 | jescis | archives jelly-home |
| 05:17.33 | jelly-home | unsets his bit |
| 05:18.05 | enouf | PingFloyd: ahhh .. finally, after 10 years .. i get it :-P |
| 05:18.14 | jescis | enouf: in a sence, the other two failed to work :/ |
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| 05:18.15 | VulpesFoxnik | Would the ssh fuse driver be worth using? I just want to be able to upload and copy my files to my server and be able to preview them. Yes I'm organizing my porn on my fileserver. :P |
| 05:18.28 | enouf | PingFloyd: thank goodness, i care less at this point ;-) |
| 05:18.38 | PingFloyd | me too |
| 05:18.48 | VulpesFoxnik | All of this was working for months before... I have no Idea why it _stopped_ working |
| 05:19.14 | enouf | VulpesFoxnik: sure, try it out, sshfs |
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| 05:19.52 | VulpesFoxnik | I already use ssh to manage my server, so I may as well. Trying to set up Samba was even more difficult >.< |
| 05:20.24 | jescis | VulpesFoxnik: because it felt neglectict(sp?) ;) |
| 05:20.28 | enouf | ugh, and with vfat, true smb, no cifs .. :-P |
| 05:21.53 | VulpesFoxnik | It's bad enough I have to figure out how to set up a ldap with nfs so I can get vista to be able to access them -_- |
| 05:22.14 | VulpesFoxnik | I need windows for school |
| 05:22.17 | enouf | *shudders* |
| 05:22.33 | PingFloyd | then you need a new school |
| 05:23.04 | VulpesFoxnik | Or adobe needs to get off thier fat ass and allow Acrobat to read drm'd files |
| 05:23.13 | VulpesFoxnik | on linux |
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| 05:23.27 | unop | say no to DRM |
| 05:23.40 | VulpesFoxnik | They are my text books. |
| 05:23.42 | VulpesFoxnik | :P |
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| 05:23.50 | Jono | whats drm? |
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| 05:24.05 | VulpesFoxnik | Digital rights management |
| 05:24.09 | jescis | unop: tell that to Netflix :x |
| 05:24.15 | Jono | ok, |
| 05:24.43 | VulpesFoxnik | I agree that DRM is evil... |
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| 05:24.55 | VulpesFoxnik | But I still have to be able to read my assignment |
| 05:24.57 | jescis | unop: they also require IE >.< |
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| 05:25.12 | VulpesFoxnik | Well thankfully my online college doesn't do that. |
| 05:25.24 | PingFloyd | afterall, the school has to lock down and regular knowledge |
| 05:25.31 | unop | say not to netflix and boycott IE |
| 05:25.55 | VulpesFoxnik | Thats what youtube is for ;) |
| 05:26.07 | PingFloyd | *regulate |
| 05:26.28 | Jono | say no to free porn! |
| 05:26.43 | newsense | why? |
| 05:26.50 | newsense | its so free and good |
| 05:26.56 | jescis | hulu.com is good(other sites listed in Mar. 2008's issue of popsci) |
| 05:27.03 | VulpesFoxnik | Say yes to Open source porn! |
| 05:27.19 | Jono | i dont know .just somethin to add, was all, lol |
| 05:27.24 | newsense | like that idea |
| 05:27.40 | VulpesFoxnik | I've seen a few CC yiff images. |
| 05:27.42 | Jono | okay say yes to virus free porn!?! |
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| 05:28.03 | newsense | who cares bout viruses |
| 05:28.05 | newsense | lol |
| 05:28.20 | jescis | not under linux ;) |
| 05:28.20 | VulpesFoxnik | Not I. *updates clam av* |
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| 05:28.35 | PingFloyd | viruses are just everywhere to screw with the dumbasses anyway |
| 05:28.45 | VulpesFoxnik | Not so much now |
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| 05:28.51 | Jono | well i know someone who dont use a dinger! " newsense" |
| 05:28.52 | newsense | clam av some app to scan a windows partition ? |
| 05:28.57 | VulpesFoxnik | they are starting to use them for espianage. |
| 05:29.11 | newsense | !dinger |
| 05:29.19 | newsense | wtf is a dinger |
| 05:29.25 | Jono | condom |
| 05:29.32 | jescis | I got spyware/malware and so forth on my windows partition. That's why I installed debian |
| 05:29.35 | newsense | i done need em |
| 05:30.05 | VulpesFoxnik | The whole emersion of stormnet is a scary thing. |
| 05:30.18 | Jono | well im glad i could bring the tone down in here anyway, seeyas! |
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| 05:31.11 | jescis | saint_gumby: I never knew gumby to be a saint o.O |
| 05:31.22 | jescis | ;) |
| 05:31.29 | newsense | i installed debian because the school bully said i t was that or my lunch money and i was hungry |
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| 05:31.46 | saint_gumby | jescis: He's more flexable about defintions than the catholics ;_p |
| 05:31.51 | VulpesFoxnik | I installed debian because I experienced RPM hell. |
| 05:31.54 | saint_gumby | ;-P |
| 05:32.00 | newsense | lmao |
| 05:32.07 | newsense | yeah rpm blows |
| 05:32.22 | VulpesFoxnik | And honestly... Ubuntu's use of sudo is sinfull |
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| 05:32.33 | newsense | running just a kernel and compiling all packages by hand sucks even more |
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| 05:33.00 | jescis | that's the better way though :o |
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| 05:33.08 | VulpesFoxnik | No it isn't |
| 05:33.09 | PingFloyd | jescis: not really |
| 05:33.14 | newsense | hell no |
| 05:33.17 | PingFloyd | jescis: it is the dumber way though |
| 05:33.19 | VulpesFoxnik | Su is much safer |
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| 05:33.50 | VulpesFoxnik | Sudo in Ubuntu is also set up to be able to run ALL... which you may as well be running root |
| 05:33.58 | jescis | compiling from source is more unix-ish |
| 05:34.02 | saint_gumby | If I have support for JFS and the necessary LVM/crypto compiled into my kernel, can I have /boot part of /, which is JFS? Or do the FSs require lilo support? (Before you ask, grub can't boot my RAID card.) |
| 05:34.03 | newsense | i need package management and preconfigured conf's |
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| 05:34.16 | newsense | that i can than tweak to my needs |
| 05:34.36 | newsense | im not a caveman shit ! |
| 05:35.27 | jescis | neither am I. I just like archaic methods and products over the new stuff. :/ |
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| 05:36.07 | newsense | im old school and dont use x much or tools mainly edit .conf files |
| 05:36.13 | VulpesFoxnik | So your using System V jescis? |
| 05:36.13 | newsense | but theres an extent |
| 05:36.21 | Nateside | Any one familiar with setting up php for apache, something is wrong with my configuration and im not getting any truetype support with lib-gd, I used this guide ( http://www.isp-control.net/forum/howto-php5-cgi-with-bundled-gd-t-2079.html ) to manually setup php with the bundled gd |
| 05:36.40 | jescis | VulpesFoxnik: no, that in itself is too new |
| 05:36.55 | VulpesFoxnik | laughs |
| 05:37.03 | PingFloyd | he's using an Altair |
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| 05:37.27 | newsense | lol |
| 05:37.38 | newsense | hes a museum security guard |
| 05:37.42 | PingFloyd | hope you have a ups |
| 05:38.07 | jescis | VulpesFoxnik: I'd rather use unix that the creators made befor AT&T(Bell Labs) screwed it up :/ |
| 05:38.18 | PingFloyd | otherwise it's 10 years down the drain getting IRC up and running |
| 05:38.21 | jescis | before* |
| 05:38.53 | newsense | pre-porn |
| 05:38.56 | PingFloyd | the other day I was talking to a grandma that was a total computer geek |
| 05:39.01 | VulpesFoxnik | Do I have to edit my fstab to use a fuse based client like SSHFS? |
| 05:39.06 | PingFloyd | she had been using computers since CP/M |
| 05:39.18 | jescis | altair? I rather use a PDP-11 |
| 05:39.22 | VulpesFoxnik | What is CM? |
| 05:39.24 | jescis | :p |
| 05:39.41 | newsense | i want an altair for display purposes |
| 05:39.50 | newsense | who would wanna use that crap |
| 05:40.19 | PingFloyd | she was talking about how microsoft stole CP/M and made DOS and how she prefers working from a CLI than a GUI |
| 05:40.32 | VulpesFoxnik | ah |
| 05:40.46 | jescis | I'm with her! :D |
| 05:41.00 | PingFloyd | and how a new version of MS Office was pissing her off because it was so buggy |
| 05:41.02 | jescis | CLI rock!! |
| 05:41.21 | VulpesFoxnik | Microsoft is a joke. Unix should be what we all are using -_- |
| 05:41.49 | jescis | visicalc and wrd perfect was better office apps |
| 05:42.45 | jescis | dBase was better app then Access too. |
| 05:43.51 | SeveredCross | Hey y'all, how do you set how many TTY's get started up on boot? |
| 05:44.01 | SeveredCross | I used to know, but cannot for the life of me remember. |
| 05:44.10 | VulpesFoxnik | I used to know too XD. |
| 05:44.25 | VulpesFoxnik | I'll go look it up |
| 05:44.28 | PingFloyd | SeveredCross: in your /etc/inittab |
| 05:44.36 | SeveredCross | PingFloyd: That's what I thought, thanks. |
| 05:44.40 | PingFloyd | SeveredCross: np |
| 05:44.55 | SeveredCross | doesn't want any. :> |
| 05:45.21 | VulpesFoxnik | ... You need at least 1 |
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| 05:45.56 | SeveredCross | Not if the machine has no head. |
| 05:45.59 | ^Jarvis | is it true , that if I use ext2 instead of ext3, there will be less cpu load? |
| 05:46.07 | SeveredCross | ^Jarvis: Doubtful. |
| 05:46.13 | VulpesFoxnik | It's marginal |
| 05:46.13 | SeveredCross | You also run the risk of losing everything to a cash. |
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| 05:46.36 | ^Jarvis | SeveredCross: won't |
| 05:46.47 | VulpesFoxnik | Unless your deeling with a 100mhz machine, use ext3 |
| 05:47.15 | VulpesFoxnik | Has anyone played with ext4 yet? |
| 05:47.29 | ^Jarvis | ok |
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| 05:49.05 | Nateside | What packaged do I need to apt-get to get truetype font support with libgd? |
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| 05:53.19 | eitan | hello again all |
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| 05:55.07 | eitan | I just re-installed etch... Im having trouble with grub... I think... there is a strange delay before the grub menu... It's never happened before... basically it just pauses for about 10 or 15 seconds before showing the menu, only showing a blinking cursor in the upper left hand corner... can anyone help with this? |
| 05:56.02 | eitan | hello? |
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| 05:56.36 | k-man_ | any idea how i can get the audio out of a flash video into an audio file? |
| 05:57.04 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: I hear you... I just have no idea how |
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| 05:57.28 | VulpesFoxnik | k-man_: swftools |
| 05:57.29 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: that's a long alias!.... ummm do you know what could be going wrong? |
| 05:57.39 | k-man_ | thansk VulpesFoxnik |
| 05:58.23 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: It could be trying to read your partitions and having trouble. It's the only Idea I could think of. |
| 05:58.30 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: it's almost like grub is "thinking" about whether it should show the menu or not.... |
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| 05:58.59 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: I don't even know how to begin to debug the problem. |
| 05:59.08 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: why would it be having trouble reading the partitions and what would make it suddenly read the partitions after 10 seconds? is there any way I can check the integrity of the partition tables? |
| 05:59.53 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: I belive Fcsk does. And that most likely a programed in time out, where it stops trying to. |
| 06:00.08 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: Do you have a usb or slow drive it might be polling? |
| 06:00.36 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: I thought I couldn't fsck a mounted drive... |
| 06:00.45 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: no no usb hooked up now |
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| 06:01.21 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: I've got to log out for my group changes to take affect. I'll brb |
| 06:01.26 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: debian is turning out to be a real pain in the .... long story |
| 06:01.48 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: There are other boot loaders you could try.. |
| 06:02.03 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: ok... is it ok if I vent? |
| 06:02.47 | jescis | lilo, grub, maybe some others I know not of :/ |
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| 06:03.23 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: but grub worked fine before.... what is it now!!! I'm so frustrated!!! |
| 06:03.42 | jescis | !wb VulpesFoxnik |
| 06:03.42 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! VulpesFoxnik has returned! |
| 06:03.43 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: Back. What issues have you been having to make you need to shut off your system? |
| 06:04.39 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: it's a desktop system... I shut it down when I won't be using it for a while... it's not a server. I'm not running an internet backbone or anything. |
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| 06:05.13 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: Just asking. I generally let my pc run... since I torrent alot overnight. |
| 06:05.14 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: sponaneously in the middle of using gnome a few days ago... my drive started doing wierd things... |
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| 06:05.35 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: Then Grub may be just a symptom of a dieing drive. |
| 06:05.41 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: the light stayed on... I don't know why... no programs would run.... to make a long story short... something happened to the drive and it had errors on it... |
| 06:05.50 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: does your drive have s.m.a.r.t? |
| 06:05.55 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: I said it's a long story.... wait.... |
| 06:06.10 | newsense | eitan: check bios settings |
| 06:06.23 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: so after days of trying to extract information from #debian people.... I finally got the data transferred to a new drive with gddrescue... |
| 06:06.39 | eitan | newsense: wait... not done with story |
| 06:06.51 | newsense | sorry,continue |
| 06:07.36 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: so now I'm running on the new drive.... I installed debian a few hours ago.... there was a snafu with changing the cd-rom setup after debian was installed and gnome has this inane way of not autodetecting cd-rom drives... |
| 06:08.08 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: it was causing trouble with the package manager... the package manager thought it was accessing a cd-rom that wasnt there... |
| 06:08.30 | eitan | in my attempt to fix the problem I ended up deleting my repositories |
| 06:08.38 | eitan | so I came to #debian... |
| 06:08.51 | newsense | eitan: what you did sounds far froma solution |
| 06:08.52 | eitan | that was 2 hours ago.... no one here would tell me what the us repositories should be... |
| 06:09.03 | newsense | i did |
| 06:09.13 | newsense | i even sent em via dcc chat |
| 06:09.17 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: I don't use gnome so I wouldn't know. |
| 06:09.23 | eitan | in a fit of extreme frustration after days of trying to restore this god forsaken system I decided to wipe the new install and make a new new install |
| 06:09.48 | newsense | eitan, so whats your curent system state ? |
| 06:09.53 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: It shouldn't take longer than 30 minutes to wipe and restall.... |
| 06:10.23 | eitan | NOW what's the problem??? now??? Now grub delays a #@#!@#! 15 seconds before even showing the menu... brand new drive... no errors no problems... fully tested with drive test software... it's not the drive... it's debian and grub... something's wrong and I don't know... |
| 06:10.28 | eitan | I'm so frustrated! |
| 06:10.54 | eitan | vulpesfoxnik: I know ... it's still a pain in the... |
| 06:11.01 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: Testing? |
| 06:11.14 | eitan | etch |
| 06:11.38 | VulpesFoxnik | uses sid... and is insaine |
| 06:11.51 | newsense | run rescue from cd and than reconfigure grub easiest way pobobly unless farmiliar with grub |
| 06:12.00 | eitan | the other issue is no one here uses gnome.... does that make any sense? Let's say you never heard of debian... and I told you that the default desktop was something called gnome... would it make sense to you that no debian expert used the default desktop??? It wouldn't make sense to me. |
| 06:12.19 | eitan | so frustrating!!!!! :( :( |
| 06:12.25 | eitan | argh!!!! |
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| 06:12.53 | newsense | default debian means nohing as you can change configuration during install a with most distros |
| 06:13.16 | newsense | can install with kde from install kde with right parameters |
| 06:13.20 | VulpesFoxnik | Gnome is just seen as a defacto choice by the debian distro. |
| 06:13.54 | newsense | i like kde personally but love debian and im happy |
| 06:13.56 | eitan | I feel like jumping off a bridge... |
| 06:13.59 | VulpesFoxnik | Personally I use XFCE. |
| 06:14.07 | newsense | eitan: how can we help you |
| 06:14.11 | newsense | calm down |
| 06:14.36 | newsense | itll be all good just tell us what you need to accomplish |
| 06:14.38 | eitan | look... what could be wrong with grub? It's the default.... it's done according to the install program... why is there a 15 second delay? What do I check ? tell me how to undo this 15 second delay |
| 06:14.52 | eitan | have any of you ever had this problem? |
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| 06:15.24 | eitan | I've been using debian for almost 3 years now... no major issues... now all of a sudden everything is breaking. |
| 06:15.33 | xsdg | eitan: delay? huh? |
| 06:15.35 | VulpesFoxnik | eitan: nothing exactly like yours. |
| 06:15.38 | eitan | And... don't get me started on bugs... |
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| 06:16.03 | kasmra | for me, grub has never worked, so I use LILO. |
| 06:16.04 | newsense | eitan, you need to calm down and breathe |
| 06:16.30 | eitan | everyone thinks debian is bug free.. no problems... (ya I know there are supposed to be obscure bugs that are really minor) no.... I'm taking major bugs... like my computer has frozen running debian on more than one occasion... totally frozen needing reboot. |
| 06:16.32 | newsense | youll get more help listening |
| 06:16.57 | newsense | you might need to run memtest86 or something |
| 06:16.59 | valdyn | !whine |
| 06:17.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, whine is saying "I want you to hold my hand while I install debian because I'm too lazy to read the docs!" |
| 06:17.02 | internat1 | eitan: just cause your computer has totally frozen, doesnt make it debians fault. It could be hardware failing, overheating.. |
| 06:17.11 | newsense | €might be a hardware issue on your part |
| 06:17.13 | eitan | who do I complain to? Not a soul because telling someone that your computer froze running debian is like telling someone you just saw julius caesar in your bed! |
| 06:17.13 | kasmra | although I think it's pretty much a PEBCAK in this case, since I have to use noacpi switch with LILO anyway. |
| 06:17.41 | valdyn | eitan: thats not the point, the point is that your information is not useful towards fixign a software bug |
| 06:17.42 | newsense | lmao |
| 06:17.49 | newsense | kick this dude |
| 06:17.52 | eitan | then it would overheat with windows too right? never froze with windows and I really don't like windows I like linux better. |
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| 06:18.06 | valdyn | eitan: stfu |
| 06:18.11 | valdyn | !tell eitan -about ask |
| 06:18.18 | newsense | run ubuntu like every other idiot that "likes" linux |
| 06:18.44 | eitan | Valdyn: but think of it... your computer freezes... how do you refer someone on the internet about that kind of problem? What data can you collect? who do you show? you reeboot and hope it doesn't happen again. |
| 06:18.49 | newsense | i was gonna try o help ya stupid ass |
| 06:18.53 | xsdg | looks oddly at newsense and valdyn |
| 06:18.55 | xsdg | calm down |
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| 06:19.07 | valdyn | eitan: very good, thats a first start, that _was_ a real question |
| 06:19.07 | DogBoy | good advice |
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| 06:19.26 | eitan | none of you have ever vented before? |
| 06:19.30 | newsense | xsdg: thanks i needed that |
| 06:19.41 | DogBoy | venting doesn't get you anywhere on irc |
| 06:19.55 | valdyn | eitan: use a 2nd computer or even better a serial console to log information like /var/log/messages, cpu temperature |
| 06:19.56 | DogBoy | except maybe kicked and banned |
| 06:20.24 | eitan | I asked vulpesfoxnik ... if you check the scrollback.... if it was ok if I vented... since he didn't answer I figured it would be ok... now I'm being called names from people who don't know me at all just because I'm frustrated. |
| 06:21.11 | eitan | valdyn: these freezes are so unpredictable... nothing for months and then suddenly.... 2 in one day.... |
| 06:21.18 | internat1 | i imagine that VulpesFoxnik does not speak for the whole channel. |
| 06:21.40 | newsense | grub taking 15 seconds to load is all over google shouldnt be hard to fix |
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| 06:22.18 | Corwin | I had a similiar issue. Sometimes pulling on one end of the motherboard would make it behave for a few days. Other times it wouldn't get through bios before it rebooted. I got a different motherboard |
| 06:22.23 | eitan | newsense: when I checked google... all it talked about is the countdown delay.... are you saying you found something that talked about the delay before the menu? |
| 06:22.39 | valdyn | eitan: if you cannot log errors, we cant fix it, simple as that |
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| 06:22.47 | valdyn | eitan: run memtest86 too btw |
| 06:22.59 | eitan | valdyn: done that... no probs.. |
| 06:23.14 | newsense | valdyn: i suggested that to him but was ignored |
| 06:23.28 | valdyn | newsense: yea |
| 06:23.38 | newsense | you ran it already |
| 06:23.39 | Corwin | And double check you're running the RAM at the correct voltage, I've seen cases where it will pass memtest for days even though there's a memory problem |
| 06:23.44 | newsense | how much ram you got ? |
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| 06:23.58 | valdyn | eitan: memtest86 is useless for tracking most heat-related problems because it does not really put load on the cpu |
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| 06:24.21 | Corwin | cpuburn works good for system load |
| 06:24.30 | newsense | wasnt saying heat related but yeah i agree |
| 06:24.39 | eitan | valdyn: I'm serious... no freezes with windows ... freezes with debian... couldn't be a hardware issue. |
| 06:24.41 | Corwin | I think 2.6.25 is suppose to have a built in memtest module |
| 06:24.44 | valdyn | eitan: in such a case its probably more useful to use cpuburn or put a kernel recompile into an endless loop till a |
| 06:24.49 | newsense | bios update ? |
| 06:24.50 | Corwin | or 26 actually |
| 06:25.00 | valdyn | eitan: Ä"internal compiler error" shows |
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| 06:25.22 | Corwin | I would update the bios of the MB if there's a newer version |
| 06:25.28 | eitan | I'm going to try to calm down.... |
| 06:25.32 | valdyn | eitan: ...until an "internal compier error" |
| 06:25.38 | newsense | see if there is |
| 06:25.47 | xsdg | eitan: when it freezes, can you move the mouse? |
| 06:25.54 | newsense | or double check settings |
| 06:26.06 | eitan | xsdg: yes.... but clicking on anything does nothing and ctrl-alt-del does nothing. |
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| 06:26.27 | xsdg | eitan: you might check to make sure your video card isn't overheating or something like that |
| 06:26.28 | valdyn | eitan: have you checked if your frozen computer is accessible via network? |
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| 06:26.48 | eitan | valdyn: no |
| 06:27.08 | newsense | might be a good troubleshooting step |
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| 06:27.17 | Corwin | Sounds liek the hardware is mostly ok if the mouse still moves - I'm sure you could still ssh into the machine |
| 06:27.26 | eitan | I'm like... I think I'll just pretend that debian doesn't crash... |
| 06:27.27 | newsense | not frozen if its responsive ;) |
| 06:27.36 | eitan | newsense: I know... I understand. |
| 06:27.47 | newsense | ill just pretend money doesnt grow on trees |
| 06:27.51 | newsense | wait it doesnt |
| 06:27.55 | Corwin | But I agree with valdyn, you should try sshing into the box |
| 06:28.00 | eitan | I think I'll have to be a full time troubleshooter for my own system... sorry venting again. |
| 06:28.03 | valdyn | eitan: your reading to much into the myths about linux, every OS crashes |
| 06:28.11 | mad_muppet | does anyone know how I can install debian on an old compaq presario 4000 pentium 166 with a hardrive that doesnt have the compaq software on it |
| 06:28.35 | eitan | ok... maybe we can solve the boot delay if anyone is willing? |
| 06:28.42 | jello | that's old....... |
| 06:28.44 | newsense | mad_muppet: you dont need it |
| 06:28.47 | Corwin | mad_muppet: Install disk? |
| 06:28.47 | eitan | could it be that there's something is wrong with the partition tables? |
| 06:28.52 | eitan | jello!!! |
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| 06:28.59 | xsdg | eitan: so, the frozen-but-mouse-moves thing often happens when the video card crashes for some reason (or, if X crashes but doesn't die, but that's less common, I think) |
| 06:29.00 | jello | mad_muppet: does it have a cd-rom drive? |
| 06:29.01 | eitan | jello: you're back! |
| 06:29.08 | valdyn | eitan: please, read what dpkg told you about ask and ask like that |
| 06:29.13 | jello | eitan: apparently... :) |
| 06:29.16 | mad_muppet | jello: yes it does |
| 06:29.18 | eitan | xsdg: I think you're right... it's probably the windowing system |
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| 06:29.26 | jello | mad_muppet: can it boot from it? |
| 06:29.48 | mad_muppet | jello: no and u cant set the boot priority either |
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| 06:29.53 | xsdg | eitan: does it ever happen while you're away from the computer? |
| 06:29.53 | jello | guesses not... |
| 06:30.01 | newsense | mad_muppet: boot floppy |
| 06:30.06 | eitan | xsdg: no |
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| 06:30.13 | jello | mad_muppet: PXE support? |
| 06:30.27 | mad_muppet | newsense: not sure u can buy those anymore ..:p |
| 06:30.30 | jello | mad_muppet: is there an OS on there now? |
| 06:30.37 | xsdg | eitan: what sorts of applications have you been interacting with when it's crashed? |
| 06:30.45 | newsense | mad_muppet: lmao proboblyright |
| 06:30.47 | mad_muppet | jello: no theres no os on it at the moment |
| 06:31.05 | eitan | xsdg: basically just gnome... doing practically nothing... and it freezes |
| 06:31.10 | newsense | mad_muppet: might be able to send you a 486 with debian fo the price of 100 floppie |
| 06:31.15 | mad_muppet | just got the parts and trying to put one together |
| 06:31.18 | jello | mad_muppet: ok, PXE or floppy |
| 06:31.22 | mad_muppet | lol .. |
| 06:31.35 | xsdg | eitan: how many times have you started X since the last crash? |
| 06:31.40 | jello | mad_muppet: check to see if there's a firmware update that allows cd-rom boot |
| 06:31.50 | jello | mad_muppet: or PXE boot for that matter... |
| 06:32.00 | mad_muppet | jelle: not sure what PXE is sorry .. that sounds like an idea though |
| 06:32.06 | newsense | buys mad_muppet a beer |
| 06:32.08 | jello | mad_muppet: network boot |
| 06:32.14 | eitan | xsdg: when it crashes I reboot completely... I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 06:32.15 | valdyn | eitan: you can crash any debian X if you run just a few 3D accelerated games in most setups |
| 06:32.16 | mad_muppet | ah |
| 06:32.18 | jello | mad_muppet: via ethernet |
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| 06:32.35 | mad_muppet | that may work then .. |
| 06:32.35 | jello | mad_muppet: basically DHCP+TFTP |
| 06:32.59 | xsdg | eitan: was your most recent boot/reboot due to a crash? |
| 06:32.59 | jello | mad_muppet: there's a section in the install guide for etch on how to set it up |
| 06:33.06 | eitan | valdyn: no games.. I barely just installed debian... wasn't doing anything. |
| 06:33.13 | eitan | xsdg: yes |
| 06:33.23 | newsense | you hear what hardware hes running, be lucky if he got 2 toilet paper rolls with a string |
| 06:33.24 | jello | mad_muppet: but see if you can boot from the network (via F12 usually) before bothering... |
| 06:33.27 | valdyn | eitan: yea, i guess, just telling you that crashing X is not rare or hard |
| 06:33.44 | mad_muppet | I got 3 hardrives of 1.4 gig each .. dun wanna throw it away .. coz my partner is using my comp to play games .. I could end up using it .. |
| 06:33.49 | newsense | dhcp server via tp roll |
| 06:33.57 | xsdg | eitan: ok; use `less` to look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old |
| 06:33.57 | eitan | valdyn: so you think it's X... not linux that's crashing. |
| 06:34.03 | valdyn | eitan: no |
| 06:34.05 | jello | mad_muppet: otherwise, put the HD into another machine and deboostrap it, then put it back into the old clunker :) |
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| 06:34.17 | valdyn | eitan: i just know that X crashing is more commmon than the kernel crashing |
| 06:34.28 | xsdg | jello: but tftp root off of a boot floppy is so much fun :o) |
| 06:34.32 | valdyn | eitan: i dont like guessing, because it doesnt lead anywhere.. |
| 06:34.49 | jello | xsdg: for varying definitions of fun... :) |
| 06:35.03 | mad_muppet | jello: tried that using win 98 worked and crashed and burned .. the hardrive had a failure .. should try again |
| 06:35.04 | Corwin | If your mouse still moves, your kernel did not crash |
| 06:35.12 | eitan | xsdg: that file isn't there... |
| 06:35.20 | newsense | win98 |
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| 06:35.22 | mad_muppet | thanks for the help anyways its giving me options ..:) |
| 06:35.23 | jello | mad_muppet: well, if the HD is bad, nothing's going to help... |
| 06:35.27 | newsense | gime a break |
| 06:35.31 | mad_muppet | got 3 left |
| 06:35.43 | newsense | didnt know that os was still in use |
| 06:35.59 | xsdg | eitan: hmm... are there any Xorg log files _other than_ Xorg.0.log? |
| 06:36.05 | xsdg | (in /var/log) |
| 06:36.08 | newsense | at least fe should be retired globally |
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| 06:36.28 | eitan | valdyn: I'm sorry I'm not expressing myself well... when you've spent days in frustration with something you don't understand well.... it can make you sound wierd... sorry |
| 06:36.45 | mad_muppet | newsense: I tried using debian by bootstrapping like jello suggested for the debian and it worked briefly .. lucky I got some more old hardrives .. Ill try again |
| 06:36.50 | eitan | xsdg: I just checked: no |
| 06:36.58 | mad_muppet | sorry win 98 |
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| 06:37.20 | jello | newsense: win98 is microsoft's second best OS |
| 06:37.32 | xsdg | eitan: oh, what video card do you have, and what driver are you using? |
| 06:37.33 | newsense | hopefully second edition |
| 06:37.35 | eitan | newsense: I checked google again and couldn't find anything on the boot delay... not the menu boot countdown... just thing wierd hanging thing before being shown the menu |
| 06:37.38 | mad_muppet | lol .. yeah |
| 06:37.39 | jello | newsense: naturally |
| 06:37.54 | eitan | xsdg: intel I think 865 ?? not absolutely sure |
| 06:37.58 | newsense | fe has no driver support compared to se which aint too far off |
| 06:38.20 | eitan | xsdg: it's the one built into the intel motherboard... i think 865 |
| 06:38.22 | valdyn | eitan: like that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhzd-akFHwQ |
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| 06:38.46 | xsdg | eitan: do `lspci` in a terminal |
| 06:38.56 | xsdg | it should list your video card |
| 06:39.08 | eitan | valdyn: love to see it... like I said.. .barely installed debian.. no flash nothing to view videos on... installed debian, went straight to chat... |
| 06:39.28 | newsense | xsdg: yeah if your x is freezing its a vid card problem |
| 06:39.33 | eitan | xsdg: command not found? |
| 06:39.42 | newsense | xsdg: has you on the right path |
| 06:39.56 | xsdg | eitan: apt-get install lspci :o) |
| 06:40.02 | xsdg | it's good to have around |
| 06:40.04 | newsense | pci-tools |
| 06:40.27 | defrysk | apt-get upgrade |
| 06:40.34 | jello | pciutils actually |
| 06:40.54 | eitan | xsdg: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 06:41.02 | newsense | thanks jello for the correction |
| 06:41.12 | xsdg | yeah, my bad :o) |
| 06:41.19 | xsdg | eitan: ok; sec |
| 06:41.27 | jello | g'night all |
| 06:41.35 | newsense | gn jello |
| 06:41.50 | newsense | j-e-l-l-o |
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| 06:42.01 | newsense | lmao |
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| 06:42.40 | eitan | xsdg: thanks for helping |
| 06:42.49 | xsdg | eitan: np |
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| 06:45.34 | xsdg | eitan: what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel do you have? |
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| 06:45.56 | eitan | xsdg: how do I check that? |
| 06:46.10 | xsdg | eitan: `apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-intel` |
| 06:46.20 | xsdg | alternately, `dpkg -l xser...` |
| 06:46.42 | eitan | xsdg: unable to locate package |
| 06:47.11 | eitan | xsdg: no packages found matching... |
| 06:47.14 | xsdg | eitan: ok, do `apt-cache search xorg video intel` |
| 06:47.46 | eitan | xsdg: xserver-xorg-video-i810 - X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver |
| 06:48.30 | newsense | eitan: i use that chip |
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| 06:48.34 | xsdg | that's it? hmm... |
| 06:48.42 | newsense | yepo |
| 06:48.46 | xsdg | newsense: eitan has an i865, not i810 |
| 06:48.51 | newsense | i use it |
| 06:49.02 | xsdg | aah, ok |
| 06:49.27 | newsense | can even use direct rendering with it |
| 06:49.29 | eitan | newsense: ok :) |
| 06:49.54 | newsense | i use it and have used compiz with it |
| 06:50.00 | newsense | even fusion |
| 06:50.04 | xsdg | eitan: are there files under /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/? |
| 06:50.33 | eitan | xsdg: lots of them |
| 06:50.50 | xsdg | eitan: ok. do any have "intel" in the name? |
| 06:50.55 | eitan | xsdg: i810_drv.so |
| 06:51.11 | eitan | xsdg: that's the closest one |
| 06:51.23 | xsdg | weird; I guess it's possible that it wasn't split out yet |
| 06:51.28 | newsense | i installed xserver-xorg-video-i810 and xfonts base to install minimal x |
| 06:51.38 | xsdg | eitan: what driver's listed in /etc/X11/xorg.conf? |
| 06:51.43 | eitan | xsdg: oh... that's what you're talking about.. |
| 06:52.33 | xsdg | eitan: well, the real question is "will you benefit by trying to get a more recent version of your driver?" |
| 06:52.45 | newsense | no |
| 06:52.47 | eitan | xsdg: Section "Device" |
| 06:52.47 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.47 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:52.57 | newsense | what kernel you using eitan |
| 06:53.30 | newsense | check etc/x11/xorg.conf |
| 06:53.31 | eitan | newsense: what's the command for that? I remember there was a command to find that out... |
| 06:53.57 | newsense | less /etc/x11/xorg.conf |
| 06:54.07 | xsdg | eitan: uname -r |
| 06:54.20 | eitan | 2.6.18-4-686 |
| 06:54.59 | newsense | what module is being used atm ? |
| 06:55.33 | eitan | I check xorg.conf... it says the same thing. |
| 06:56.19 | eitan | http://pastebin.ca/1077377 |
| 06:56.36 | newsense | lsmod | grep drm |
| 06:56.54 | eitan | eitan:/etc/X11# lsmod |grep drm |
| 06:56.54 | eitan | drm 61332 3 i915 |
| 06:56.54 | eitan | agpgart 29896 3 drm,intel_agp |
| 06:57.46 | newsense | you should be fine |
| 06:58.13 | newsense | problem most likely lies elsewhere |
| 07:00.10 | eitan | newsense: thank you... I'll put that one on the back burner then... |
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| 07:00.40 | eitan | can I please ask again... can either of you help me diagnose this boot delay? I checked google for the 3rd time... I'm not finding any help on figuring this out. |
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| 07:00.56 | newsense | try uninstalling xserver-xorg-video-i810 and installing xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 07:01.14 | newsense | if it is a video problem |
| 07:01.15 | xsdg | newsense: that change happened after etch, afaict |
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| 07:01.26 | eitan | newsense: just something to try? |
| 07:01.28 | newsense | ahh |
| 07:01.32 | xsdg | eitan: is it possible that your machine is trying some boot method before the hard drive? |
| 07:01.46 | xsdg | eitan: like PXE or cdrom or something |
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| 07:02.30 | eitan | xsdg:.... welll that's a bios thing... it has ALWAYS tried the floppy then cdrom first... no problems.. I'm saying this problem only happend after I reinstalled debian on a new drive... very wierd. |
| 07:02.30 | CodySt | Hello, I ran "fdisk -e /dev/rdisk0" followed by "flag 2" to flag the 2nd partition as active, is there a way to reverse this as I am now unable to boot any of my OS's? |
| 07:02.33 | wols | eitan: where exactly is the delay? |
| 07:02.50 | eitan | right after the bios messages and right before the grub menu |
| 07:03.13 | xsdg | CodySt: my guess: do the same thing again |
| 07:03.13 | wols | CodySt: what bootloader? linux doesn't care about bootflags |
| 07:03.23 | eitan | a cursor blinks in the upper left hand corner for about 15 seconds then finally I get the grub menu... it's not checking the other drives... it's just hanging there. |
| 07:03.35 | xsdg | CodySt: alternately, I typically use `cfdisk`, and with that, you can just select the partition and toggle the boot flag |
| 07:03.37 | CodySt | wols: I installed OSX onto a pre-existing XP HD |
| 07:03.48 | eps_ | the current nvidia stable driver is claiming that 2.6.25-2-686 is a xen kernel - is there a work around for this? |
| 07:03.51 | wols | CodySt: and why is it /dev/rdisk? |
| 07:04.12 | newsense | and ya said ya changed timout to zero already didnt ya |
| 07:04.30 | wols | CodySt: fdisk -e is no debian command either. ask whichever OS you actually run |
| 07:04.47 | wols | eps_: you run etch? |
| 07:04.52 | eps_ | sid |
| 07:05.06 | wols | eps_: then you know how to help yourself. |
| 07:05.23 | eps_ | wols, and I know how to be treated like a leaper in this channel also ;) |
| 07:05.49 | wols | chances are you need a nvidia patch. good luck |
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| 07:06.18 | eitan | I'll try to figure this out for myself... way to frustrating!!!! |
| 07:06.25 | eps_ | yeah I was thinking that, but if it's not ubuntu they don't care. might go rewrite the old patch and see if that works :/ was just wondering if there was some one who'd done it already |
| 07:06.25 | eitan | bye all and thank you for trying. |
| 07:06.54 | newsense | eps_: you running ubuntu |
| 07:07.18 | eps_ | newsense, yes, I'm running the special version of ubuntu known as sid in which my problem would already be fixed |
| 07:07.19 | newsense | nm |
| 07:07.25 | eps_ | ^_^ |
| 07:07.27 | newsense | damn nick completion |
| 07:07.42 | eps_ | ah then ignore the prickish comment |
| 07:07.48 | newsense | as in which you would be a smart as fuck |
| 07:08.16 | newsense | ignore mine too lol |
| 07:08.18 | eps_ | also as a bit of a silly question but why is the gcc version out of sync with the version the current kernels are compiled with? |
| 07:08.47 | eps_ | it causes so many issues with vmware/nvidia/other non-foss apps |
| 07:09.07 | xsdg | eps_: I would guess the build machines aren't running sid, but that's only a guess |
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| 07:09.39 | newsense | mine aint ever gonna thats for sure |
| 07:09.49 | wols | usually a kernel is compiled with the then current gcc in the target distro |
| 07:10.01 | newsense | put it on a 486 for fun though |
| 07:10.03 | eps_ | we used to have gcc parity but that stopped around the time the kernel went away from odd/even releases. it's not that much of a problem now we have that alternatives script (I really love who ever wrote that) |
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| 07:10.47 | newsense | i never had a problem in at least 5 yrs |
| 07:11.24 | manb | wol doesnt work after i pinged the (halted) pc. i tried on two machines (different nics) and it is the same on both. |
| 07:11.39 | manb | how do i get wol working even after a ping? |
| 07:12.02 | manb | wol dosnt work 5 minutes after shutdown either. |
| 07:12.05 | newsense | !wol |
| 07:12.06 | dpkg | from memory, wol is Wake on LAN, powering on a computer remotely through the use of a "magic" packet. See http://gsd.di.uminho.pt/jpo/software/wakeonlan/mini-howto/ for more information. WoL utilities packaged for Debian: 'etherwake', 'wakeonlan'. Online WOL services: http://stephan.mestrona.net/wol/ http://www.rshut.com/products/wol/mobile |
| 07:12.28 | manb | it only works if i wol in the first few minutes after halting. |
| 07:12.30 | newsense | good luxck with that |
| 07:12.50 | xsdg | manb: are the machines on a switch? |
| 07:12.56 | peterS | this doesn't really sound like a Debian problem |
| 07:13.03 | xsdg | manb: the timeout really sounds like the packet is being filtered by a switch or something |
| 07:13.09 | manb | xsdg, yes, on a switch and the switch is on a router |
| 07:13.23 | xsdg | manb: err... are the machines on the same subnet? |
| 07:13.36 | newsense | #networking |
| 07:13.40 | newsense | ping |
| 07:13.40 | manb | xsdg, no, i dont think so. the lights at the nic are flashing. |
| 07:13.58 | manb | xsdg, yeah, default subnet. |
| 07:14.04 | wols | eps_: a) not true b) gcc is not handled by /etc/alternatives/ |
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| 07:15.35 | xsdg | manb: do you have a spare machine you can run `tcpdump` on to make sure? |
| 07:16.11 | xsdg | manb: regardless, this is likely either a BIOS or NIC firmware problem, or a networking problem |
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| 07:17.29 | manb | xsdg, i have two machines, not more. the odd thing is that it doesnt work after pinging on BOTH machines but immediatly after shutdown. |
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| 07:18.21 | xsdg | manb: what do you mean "pinging on both machines"? |
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| 07:18.46 | eitan | Hello again all... |
| 07:18.53 | eitan | I am happy to report... |
| 07:19.01 | eitan | that I've figured out the boot delay problem... |
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| 07:19.07 | eitan | I feel really dumb. |
| 07:19.09 | sladi | manb: maybe the power isn't sufficient? when my PC is off for a longer time it's ometimes impossible to power it on by mouse doubleclick, which is a bios option. |
| 07:19.46 | eitan | The power connector on the floppy was out.... sorry to have bugged you guys about something you couldn't have helped with. |
| 07:19.51 | xsdg | haha |
| 07:19.55 | manb | xsdg, i shtudown PC A and ping with pc B the halted machine. after that, i am not able to wol A. same if i shutdown B and ping B with A. wol isnt working then. |
| 07:19.59 | Amaranth` | cheers all.. are they any .deb packages for beryl? because installing it from source code gives me headaches..and does beryl works on kde? |
| 07:20.16 | eitan | xsdg: thank you for you're help... really. |
| 07:20.17 | nam | pls help. I just installed lenny beta 2 and cannot install anything b/c broken dependency. How to overcome this? |
| 07:20.27 | wols | Amaranth`: beryl does nto exist anymore |
| 07:20.33 | xsdg | manb: ok, that's almost 100% a switch issue (explanation forthcoming) |
| 07:20.36 | xsdg | eitan: np |
| 07:20.40 | manb | sladi, you mean i have to set more power on the cable? |
| 07:21.06 | manb | xsdg, but the lights at the back of the nich are blinking when i send a magic package. |
| 07:21.30 | eitan | I'll stick around for a bit in case I have more q's.... if all of you don't mind that. |
| 07:21.51 | xsdg | manb: well, I'll explain stuff, and then see if that helps you figure anything out |
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| 07:22.08 | nam | anyone pls? apt-get update just cannot help. |
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| 07:22.31 | wols | nam: pastebin the output |
| 07:22.34 | sladi | manb: sorry I don't know what to do about it. I simply switch on vie the normal power switch then. But it's like some capacitor is slowly losing it's charge and then you're not able to do that special stuff anymore. However I don't ping the machine, maybe that accelerates the discharge. |
| 07:23.10 | xsdg | manb: when your machine tries to send a ping to another machine on the same subnet, it first asks for the mac address by ip |
| 07:23.27 | manb | sladi, this shouldn't be. if the manufactor offers wol it should be working! |
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| 07:23.46 | manb | xsdg, ok |
| 07:24.07 | xsdg | manb: so, in tcpdump you'll see something like "ARP who-has 192.168.1.15 tell 192.168.1.10"; that's ...10 asking for ...15's mac address |
| 07:25.16 | nam | wols: where's pastebin |
| 07:25.17 | manb | should i let tcpdump run on the pc which trys to wake the other? |
| 07:25.17 | xsdg | manb: once it gets that, it sends the ICMP packet (possibly tagged with the mac address? I'm not sure, though I don't think so) |
| 07:25.25 | xsdg | manb: that might help |
| 07:25.30 | sladi | manb: of course, but maybe a different psu is needed? You could try waking from standby instead (don't power off completely). |
| 07:26.26 | wols | !tell nam about paste |
| 07:26.31 | manb | sladi, what is a psu? |
| 07:26.42 | xsdg | power supply (unit) |
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| 07:27.45 | eitan | basic question: .... if i've had the debian install create a separate partition for /home.... will that make it easier to wipe etch and install lenny when lenny is released without disturbing my data? |
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| 07:27.59 | xsdg | eitan: just upgrade |
| 07:28.02 | nam | wols: http://paste.debian.net/11667 |
| 07:28.06 | xsdg | eitan: there's no need to wipe etch at all |
| 07:28.08 | wols | eitan: you don't reinstall you upgrade to lenny |
| 07:28.14 | manb | xsdg, i do tcpdumg -i eth0 -d ? |
| 07:28.22 | xsdg | eitan: (though, the explicit answer to your question is "yes") |
| 07:28.29 | eitan | is there a good reason to have /home on another partition? |
| 07:28.39 | wols | nam: apt-cache policy virtualbox |
| 07:28.45 | xsdg | manb: I typically do something like `tcpdump -nvvi eth0` |
| 07:28.50 | nam | tx |
| 07:28.52 | eitan | xsdg: can you explain why for a linux simpleton like me? |
| 07:29.07 | eps_ | wols, shame I thought it would have been, guess I'll just keep sym linking :P |
| 07:29.16 | xsdg | eitan: "because upgrading is easy, and a reinstall is harder" |
| 07:29.32 | xsdg | eitan: or do you mean why a separate /home helps? |
| 07:29.35 | eitan | xsdg: right... no I mean why is it good to have /home on a separate partition |
| 07:29.39 | eitan | xsdg: ya |
| 07:29.54 | wols | cause IF you reinstall |
| 07:30.01 | nam | wols: http://paste.debian.net/11668 |
| 07:30.16 | wols | but upgrading from etch to lenny is no reason.also you do not symlink /home just cause it's on another partition |
| 07:30.31 | manb | xsdg, i get 09:29:49.891237 arp who-has 192.168.1.44 tell 192.168.1.33 if i wol pc A. which of course doesnt wake up :( |
| 07:30.37 | wols | nam: where did you get this virtualbox deb? |
| 07:30.41 | xsdg | wols: err... did you miss a line there? |
| 07:30.44 | nam | from sun.com |
| 07:30.57 | wols | nam: ask sun then. or use their lenny package |
| 07:31.10 | xsdg | manb: do you see anything after that? |
| 07:31.21 | eitan | wols: btw is it easy to upgrade? single command or big procedure? |
| 07:31.35 | wols | eitan: it is fairly easy, not a single command afaik. |
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| 07:31.40 | wols | !tell eitan about etch->lenny |
| 07:31.40 | manb | xsdg, hard to say because there is other traffic (irc) |
| 07:31.43 | nam | lenny version is not available just yet. i use the one for etch. |
| 07:31.55 | xsdg | manb: tcpdump -nvvi eth1 port not 6667 |
| 07:32.02 | xsdg | s#eth1#eth0#, but yeah |
| 07:32.06 | xsdg | tcpdump filters are nice |
| 07:32.14 | wols | nam: virtualbox is not debian software, so why would we support it. it's suns. and they must make it work under debian, we can't |
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| 07:32.38 | eitan | wols: what's the basic reason why /home is recommended to be on a separate partition from the os? |
| 07:32.43 | nam | wols: what's the command to install VB for lenny? |
| 07:33.04 | wols | nam: does not exist. ther is no virtualbox. it's non-free software |
| 07:33.04 | xsdg | wow... that quote is going to be _so amazing_ out of context |
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| 07:33.09 | manb | xsdg, oh, 6667 seems to be the wrong port for me (using xchat...) |
| 07:33.23 | wols | xsdg: which? |
| 07:33.23 | xsdg | manb: no, irc is definitely 6667 |
| 07:33.37 | xsdg | wols: "what's the command to install VB for lenny?" |
| 07:33.38 | wols | xsdg: no. IRC is about hlaf a dozen different ports |
| 07:33.41 | cahoot | eitan: one reason could you can keep your personal data untouched at a future reinstall |
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| 07:34.04 | simonrvn | wols: what? |
| 07:34.04 | xsdg | wols: IRC on freenode is 6667, unless you're a server |
| 07:34.20 | wols | xsdg: it's the same reason why people often advise to install Windows on its own partition |
| 07:34.36 | xsdg | wols: wrong person :o) |
| 07:34.42 | cahoot | xsdg: or 8001? |
| 07:34.56 | simonrvn | ircd 6667/tcp |
| 07:35.04 | eitan | cahoot: curious question.... does it make the partition tables just a little more complicated so that it's harder to recover data from a crashed drive... the more partitions there are, that is. |
| 07:35.05 | eitan | ? |
| 07:35.07 | xsdg | cahoot: is that not a testnet? |
| 07:35.09 | simonrvn | /exec -o getent services ircd |
| 07:35.36 | wols | xsdg: freenoed listens on 6667,8000, 8001 and probably a few othes. and local port for irc is not defined at all |
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| 07:35.44 | simonrvn | ^^^ standard port; any other port is either another server, or an add-on |
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| 07:35.53 | nam | wols: I cannot even install vlc. http://paste.debian.net/11669 |
| 07:36.01 | wols | simonrvn: then there sually is 7000, 6666 etc |
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| 07:36.17 | simonrvn | um, i think xsdg knows... |
| 07:36.26 | xsdg | wols: not that they didn't add some ports after I stopped, but I was staff here for a few years |
| 07:36.55 | jescis | enouf: I'm compiling my new kernel \o/ |
| 07:37.11 | wols | simonrvn: lots of networks use more than 6667 or another port like 7000 altogether. it might not be standard but they do |
| 07:37.36 | wols | enouf: just to alert you if you didn't know: it's sunday.... |
| 07:37.49 | simonrvn | all the nets i've been on use 6667 as standard port for clients to connect to... |
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| 07:38.57 | xsdg | anyway... |
| 07:40.02 | enouf | wols: already? :-p |
| 07:40.21 | enouf | jescis: you go girl! |
| 07:40.26 | wols | has been for more than 9 hours now. and that comment from jescis should really have told you |
| 07:40.31 | jescis | enouf: also, it's eleven days till next month :O |
| 07:40.38 | manb | xsdg, i dont get anything else beside 09:39:16.528132 arp who-has 192.168.1.44 tell 192.168.1.33 |
| 07:40.49 | wols | enouf: only cheerlead if it actually runs |
| 07:40.50 | jescis | I'm still a man enouf |
| 07:40.56 | jescis | >:< |
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| 07:41.23 | enouf | ewww |
| 07:41.31 | xsdg | manb: did you try to send the magic packet? |
| 07:42.05 | simonrvn | don't forget the pixie dust |
| 07:42.49 | manb | xsdg, yeah |
| 07:43.08 | simonrvn | g'night |
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| 07:43.39 | xsdg | manb: wait; how are you sending the packet? |
| 07:45.00 | manb | xsdg, i send it with wakeonlan -i 192.168.1.44 HWADR |
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| 07:45.14 | nam | is there backport for lenny? |
| 07:45.38 | xsdg | manb: aah, yup, that's the problem |
| 07:45.55 | manb | so? |
| 07:46.00 | xsdg | manb: WOL packets are sent to a MAC address, not an IP address |
| 07:46.04 | wols | nam: no there aren't |
| 07:46.10 | xsdg | manb: wakeonlan has an option to specify a mac address |
| 07:46.21 | xsdg | (I've used it before) |
| 07:46.30 | manb | xsdg, yeah, i do that. i only wrote HWADR for my MAC addr. |
| 07:46.46 | xsdg | manb: oh, I totally missed that |
| 07:46.51 | xsdg | manb: what's the -i for? |
| 07:46.53 | nam | wols: I cant seem to install anything. everthing's broken. |
| 07:47.00 | manb | xsdg, the actual command is wakeonlan -i 192.168.1.44 00:1e:8c:23:1f:aa |
| 07:47.01 | xsdg | alternately, what's the IP addy for? |
| 07:47.23 | manb | xsdg, ohterwise it would send it to broadcast. |
| 07:47.24 | wols | nam: remove the virtualbox package again and it will work |
| 07:47.40 | nam | Wols: how to install the ntfs-3g then? |
| 07:47.41 | xsdg | manb: that's how WOL works |
| 07:47.48 | wols | nam: and utnil you show/tell us about the error it won't work |
| 07:48.00 | xsdg | manb: the only way the machine will get the packet is if it's broadcasted |
| 07:48.03 | manb | xsdg, i tried the other solution as well. |
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| 07:48.35 | manb | xsdg, if the wol works (10 sec. after shutting down) tcpdump gets this: 09:45:08.629879 IP (tos 0x0, ttl 49, id 61598, offset 0, flags [DF], proto TCP (6), length 148) 213.92.8.4.8001 > 192.168.1.33.54742: P 3628022621:3628022717(96) ack 3563564342 win 79 <nop,nop,timestamp 2170246351 592779> |
| 07:48.37 | nam | WOls: there are some here:http://paste.debian.net/11669 |
| 07:48.44 | wols | nam: <apt> install ntfs-3g |
| 07:48.51 | nam | tx |
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| 07:49.20 | wols | nam: remove the virtualbox and vlc packages as I told you |
| 07:49.31 | nam | wols: ok |
| 07:49.39 | xsdg | manb: that's IRC traffic, as someone mentioned |
| 07:49.58 | xsdg | manb: note that the IP address isn't local |
| 07:50.00 | manb | oh, right... |
| 07:50.13 | nam | wols: they are not installed. |
| 07:50.28 | xsdg | manb: so, tcpdump -nvvi eth1 port not 6667 and port not 8001 |
| 07:50.53 | eitan | Do any of you do k3b? |
| 07:50.57 | wols | nam: they are half installed and causing your problems |
| 07:51.09 | wols | eitan: ask the real question |
| 07:51.19 | manb | xsdg, i think this isn't neccessary. seems if wol works if i DON'T specify the ip! |
| 07:51.30 | xsdg | manb: yeah, that's what I was trying to say |
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| 07:51.37 | eitan | wols: what options do you use when you want to backup files on a cd or dvd with k3b? |
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| 07:51.55 | nam | wols: I have done apt-get -f install and removed everything broken. but : E: Couldn't find package ntfs-3g |
| 07:52.00 | xsdg | manb: the idea for WOL is that you're _supposed_ to broadcast the magic packet, with the MAC address encoded in it |
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| 07:52.13 | xsdg | manb: so that machines on the subnet, but with a different mac addy, don't wake up |
| 07:52.19 | eitan | wols: do you enable udf? do you do the extended iso 9660? |
| 07:52.25 | wols | nam: pastebin your sources.list |
| 07:52.27 | manb | xsdg, i thougt, i tried that yesterday and it dindt work as well. but yesterday it was late and i was tied. |
| 07:52.36 | wols | eitan: what FOR? |
| 07:52.36 | xsdg | :o) |
| 07:52.47 | manb | xsdg, thanks |
| 07:52.49 | xsdg | np |
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| 07:53.10 | ddalton | anyone know of a stopwatch for the cli? Or any ideas on what to do in a python script? |
| 07:53.12 | eitan | wols: preserving long filenames maybe? files that start with a "." ... I'm not making this up... they're advanced options in k3b. |
| 07:53.19 | xsdg | ddalton: err... time :o) |
| 07:53.20 | manb | can i shutdown the pc if no user logs in after a specified time? |
| 07:53.24 | xsdg | ddalton: it's a bash builtin |
| 07:53.36 | eitan | wols: I just wanted to make sure that I'm backing up my linux files in a way that nothing is broken and all is preserved. |
| 07:53.40 | xsdg | it's also in the `time` package (different implementations) |
| 07:53.49 | WormFood | manb, sure, write your own script to do it for you |
| 07:53.57 | wols | eitan: joliet can do long filenames just fine |
| 07:54.05 | ddalton | xsdg: will look, thanks. |
| 07:54.09 | xsdg | ddalton: in ruby, I'd do a = Time.now; do_some_stuff; b = Time.now; puts "It took this long: ", (b-a) |
| 07:54.18 | xsdg | I'm pretty sure python has something similar |
| 07:54.31 | eitan | wols: I read that joliet doesn't preserve permissions... |
| 07:54.47 | nam | wols: the sources.list here: http://paste.debian.net/11670 |
| 07:55.02 | xsdg | eitan: it doesn't; what's your goal? |
| 07:55.14 | wols | !tell nam about sources.list |
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| 07:55.25 | manb | WormFood, this scripts runs as a cron job or what? i only need to check after reboot. a simple sleep $((60*10)) and if [ user_loged_in > 0 ] would do? |
| 07:55.32 | wols | nam: your sources.list is wrong. you want a lenny repository on the internet |
| 07:55.38 | eitan | xsdg: I want to backup my /home directory ideally onto a dvd |
| 07:55.43 | wols | nam: not just the cdrom you already have |
| 07:55.43 | ddalton | erm, I mean like a counter thing: |
| 07:55.44 | eitan | xsdg: without tarring |
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| 07:56.00 | ddalton | I hit start, it counts up while I do my work out, and I hit stop once done and time it... |
| 07:56.20 | manb | can i check if someone logged in with the option finger | wc -l >1? |
| 07:56.35 | wols | ddalton: time bash. that starts a new shell where you can do stuff |
| 07:56.39 | nam | WOls: I have commented out the CD source. Pls read again, could you? |
| 07:56.40 | xsdg | eitan: well, DVDs don't use ISO9660 |
| 07:56.45 | xsdg | (they use UDF) |
| 07:56.48 | wols | ddalton: and when you are done you run "exit" |
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| 07:57.07 | WormFood | manb, the hard part about that is, if a user is running programs in the background, but is not logged in (such as with screen), they still show as being logged in |
| 07:57.08 | wols | ddalton: after that it prints elapsed time |
| 07:57.27 | seriouslycgi | im having problems with ssh, the machine wont let my machine ssh/ping it. its a fresh install of debian (no desktop) never had problems before, it will let me ssh from my router though, any advice? |
| 07:57.57 | xsdg | manb: `w` will tell you |
| 07:57.59 | eitan | xsdg: ok... there was also an option for udf... what about that? |
| 07:58.00 | xsdg | also, `last` |
| 07:58.25 | ddalton | then how do i check the time elapsed once done? |
| 07:58.32 | WormFood | xsdg, manb, also "who" |
| 07:58.44 | manb | xsdg, is 'w' a command? |
| 07:58.49 | xsdg | manb: yup |
| 07:58.51 | nam | wols: what more sources should I add? |
| 07:58.54 | xsdg | it's pretty similar to `who` |
| 07:58.56 | manb | xsdg, it truely is... wow |
| 07:59.01 | xsdg | eitan: well, you want UDF support if you're going to be dealing with DVDs |
| 07:59.05 | WormFood | try "w"...of course it is a command :P |
| 07:59.26 | xsdg | eitan: you should probably search apt or google for linux DVD backup solutions, though |
| 07:59.35 | eitan | xsdg: do you normally use k3b or a different program... what do you recommend? |
| 07:59.35 | jescis | manb: has been since the beginning ;) |
| 07:59.38 | manb | WormFood, i just never saw a command with only one char as name! |
| 07:59.59 | WormFood | now you know :P |
| 08:00.37 | xsdg | eitan: I don't back things up onto optical media |
| 08:00.43 | xsdg | eitan: hard drives are cheap |
| 08:00.56 | enouf | manb: try 'help [' O-O |
| 08:01.02 | eitan | xsdg: ok thanks again... |
| 08:01.04 | xsdg | (of course, you need to have another machine or something like that) |
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| 08:01.19 | xsdg | eitan: but yeah, google probably has you covered |
| 08:01.46 | eitan | xsdg: ok sorry to bother... |
| 08:01.58 | xsdg | eitan: not a problem |
| 08:02.56 | WormFood | the only problem with backing up to a hard drive, compared to optical media, is the fact that optical media is more long-term, and hard drives are easy to erase (either intentionally, or unintentionally) |
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| 08:03.13 | DawnLight | yo |
| 08:03.33 | DawnLight | can anyone explain to me please how to sign a repository? |
| 08:03.45 | DawnLight | i don't know anything about gnupg... |
| 08:04.02 | DawnLight | although i did make a signature |
| 08:04.04 | xsdg | DawnLight: sign a _repository_? maybe try irc.oftc.net/#debian-devel |
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| 08:05.07 | enouf | wols: all "time bash" did here was <something unknown> for about 3 seconds (wrote to disk) .. then all of a sudden, my recent .bash_history was gone (up arrow) |
| 08:05.42 | enouf | wols: and gave me back my prompt ~$ |
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| 08:06.08 | wols | of course |
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| 08:06.13 | wols | you run a NEW child bash |
| 08:06.15 | psycodad | WormFood: backuppc on a raid1/5 makes this less a problem, as well as the saved space |
| 08:06.25 | wols | enouf: type exit |
| 08:06.36 | jescis | manb: try -h on the w command(h stands for header :p) |
| 08:06.50 | WormFood | psycodad, still does not negate the fact that hard drives are easily erased |
| 08:06.54 | enouf | wols: that will close my xterm |
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| 08:07.22 | WormFood | I still backup to DVD, even tho hard drives are cheap...at least, I backup to DVD the things I care about |
| 08:07.27 | manb | jescis, oh, i did it with $(( $(w|wc -l) -2)) ^^ |
| 08:07.31 | wols | enouf: do it again. this time inside the child bash, run "pstree| more" |
| 08:07.40 | jescis | manb: as in the h switch surpresses headers |
| 08:08.29 | enouf | wols: i'm already doing other stuff in that xterm ,.. as i said it kicked me back to the prompt (whatever it did, it completed and stopped) |
| 08:08.53 | wols | enouf: after "exit", time prints the elapsed time, that's all |
| 08:09.12 | newsense | nope |
| 08:09.17 | psycodad | WormFood: make sure you check every 12months that your discs are readable, also check they are readable on other dvd drives too. |
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| 08:09.24 | xsdg | WormFood: well, that's the difference between "back up" and "archive" |
| 08:09.41 | manb | jescis, jap, i edited my script already. makng things easy |
| 08:10.04 | enouf | wols: got it .. ok, yep, you were right - i guess it was backgrounded silently |
| 08:10.07 | WormFood | psycodad, right, I know...I also make multiple copies of stuff that would be hard to replace (like things I actually produce)...where most of the stuff I have I can simply download again |
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| 08:10.47 | WormFood | I have very few problems with recordable dvds not being able to be read on other drives |
| 08:10.59 | psycodad | WormFood: better make sure, you offload copies of important stuff to a geographical different place |
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| 08:11.09 | jabka | any simple-cdd users here ? |
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| 08:12.24 | enouf | wols: heh, after exit, my bash_history is back (well, up arrow goes back to commands i expect to see, ran recently) - ok, my bad - pretty cool |
| 08:12.35 | jabka | I'm stuck with a strange issue : in qemu with -kernel-kqemu flag my image works without it the image stuck in uncompressing kernel stage |
| 08:12.47 | jescis | manb: Oh, fyi I have a book that has linux/unix info that are probably well known by long time users. The books title is "Bulletproof UNIX" by Timothy T. Gottleber |
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| 08:14.13 | manb | jessics before i read another unix book, i'll finish the latex ones on my desk. but i will check amazon out for this one. or the bibliothek |
| 08:14.14 | enouf | wols: i tried again, and this time, thinking it was a backgrounded job, i ran 'jobs' .. and obviously (as now i see) none were there - it's just a child process spawned it seems .. is there anyway to keep the counter foregrounded? maybe watch? hrmmm |
| 08:14.33 | wols | enouf: not with time, no |
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| 08:15.41 | jescis | manb: ok, cool, LaTex :] |
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| 08:16.32 | manb | yeah |
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| 08:18.04 | WormFood | anyone know if any tools in debian to handle jpeg2000 files? Gimp won't even open that shit! |
| 08:18.04 | enouf | wols: ok, thanks, i locked up that shell now .. had to kill it eventually, so don't do 'watch time bash' O_o |
| 08:18.52 | cahoot | WormFood: IIRC imagemagick should do |
| 08:19.15 | WormFood | what a shock, "convert" does it |
| 08:19.39 | WormFood | cahoot, I should have tried before I asked |
| 08:19.52 | WormFood | I looked at the manpage, and it said nothing, and gimp wouldn't do it....so I didn't expect imagemagick to work |
| 08:20.39 | eitan | goodnight all... thanks again... until next time I need debian help.... |
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| 08:41.52 | v1k1ng0 | hello |
| 08:42.03 | v1k1ng0 | someone has experience with nvidia-settings? |
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| 08:42.04 | cusco | hi |
| 08:42.19 | cusco | hmm |
| 08:42.32 | cusco | I use the nvidia driver but edit the xorg.conf directly |
| 08:42.39 | v1k1ng0 | ok |
| 08:42.41 | cusco | what is it that you need? |
| 08:43.02 | v1k1ng0 | I want to see the image of the laptop in my TV |
| 08:43.10 | v1k1ng0 | I'm using hdmi cable |
| 08:43.36 | v1k1ng0 | it works configuring nvidia-settings, but the screen in the TV is larger than TV |
| 08:43.41 | v1k1ng0 | can you understand me? |
| 08:43.51 | cusco | yes |
| 08:43.58 | cusco | much larger? |
| 08:44.20 | cusco | or just half an inch arround the sides |
| 08:45.07 | cusco | my tv in hdmi mode, has several modes... like cinerama 16/9 4/3 etc |
| 08:45.18 | cusco | with zoom.. without zoom |
| 08:45.28 | v1k1ng0 | mine too |
| 08:45.29 | cusco | perhaps you should chose anoter mode |
| 08:45.45 | v1k1ng0 | it is a little larger |
| 08:45.49 | v1k1ng0 | I use kde |
| 08:45.56 | sladi | I'd guess the resolution is too large and the tv only does 1:1 display |
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| 08:46.10 | v1k1ng0 | for example, the K of kde start, it doesn't show ... the half |
| 08:46.27 | sladi | is it centered or can you "moev" the image when the mouse is at the edges? |
| 08:46.31 | cusco | if I use hdmi my image is also slightly larger, like half an inch arrond the sides |
| 08:46.44 | cusco | that is why I don't use hdmi, I use the vga socket |
| 08:46.44 | sladi | that's overscan |
| 08:46.48 | v1k1ng0 | sladi: centered |
| 08:47.15 | v1k1ng0 | how can I fix it sladi? |
| 08:47.27 | sladi | that's overscan. maybe you can turn it off. do you use the native resolution of the tv? |
| 08:47.32 | v1k1ng0 | the image doesn't move when I pass the mouse |
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| 08:48.00 | cusco | if it is hd ready should support up to x1080 |
| 08:48.04 | v1k1ng0 | sladi: the tv is full hd, I use 1920x1080 I think |
| 08:48.25 | v1k1ng0 | nvidia-settings detects well the resolution |
| 08:48.53 | v1k1ng0 | when I put another resolution (lower than maximum in the TV), the TV changes it automatically to 1080 |
| 08:49.03 | sladi | then overscan is enabled in tv and I hope you can turn it off (in the tv) |
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| 08:49.44 | sladi | unfortunately som tvs seem to do overscan and you can't do anything |
| 08:49.48 | v1k1ng0 | sladi: ok, I will search to disable overscan |
| 08:50.06 | sladi | good luck :) |
| 08:50.39 | cusco | hey sladi wht if my tv in hdmi always hides half an inch arround the sides |
| 08:50.40 | sladi | do you have metamodes line in xorg.conf? |
| 08:50.56 | cusco | or slightly more in some sides |
| 08:51.26 | sladi | cusco: that sounds like forced overscan. IIRC I read about it but its' really weird when they enable it on digtal signals |
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| 08:52.39 | sladi | usually you're out of luck unless the manufacturer provides firmware upgrades for the tv |
| 08:53.35 | sladi | in xorg.conf the metamodes line should have 1900x1080 |
| 08:53.58 | sladi | if there are other resolutions there try removing them |
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| 08:57.39 | v1k1ng0 | thank you very much sladi and cusco |
| 08:58.41 | sladi | np :) |
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| 09:00.30 | AlterTone | hi, I cannot install monodevelop on debian lenny |
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| 09:01.04 | AlterTone | it continues to ask for libxul0d which depends on libnss30 which has been removed as a build dependency for gnome in current lenny |
| 09:01.08 | AlterTone | any ideas |
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| 09:02.59 | wols | AlterTone: backport, sdn, etc |
| 09:03.14 | wols | is the monodevelop itself in lenny? |
| 09:03.18 | AlterTone | yes |
| 09:03.24 | AlterTone | that is what puzzles me |
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| 09:04.09 | wols | *ahem* http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libxul0d |
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| 09:07.00 | AlterTone | yes, what |
| 09:07.12 | AlterTone | it is not getting installed in lenny though |
| 09:07.19 | AlterTone | because it depends on http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libnss3-0d |
| 09:07.43 | AlterTone | which for gnome as it is installed out of the box is also requiring uninstallation of a good amount of software |
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| 09:08.25 | wols | AlterTone: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/libnss3-0d |
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| 09:08.58 | dmseg | hey guys is dpkg opensource? |
| 09:09.08 | AlterTone | right now, libnss3-1d is installed |
| 09:09.09 | wols | AlterTone: why? it only depends on libnspr, libc |
| 09:09.15 | AlterTone | not -0d |
| 09:09.34 | AlterTone | the two versions are incompatible due to build dependencies, perhaps this is a bug |
| 09:10.05 | wols | incompatible how. what does apt say? |
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| 09:11.10 | AlterTone | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 09:11.10 | AlterTone | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:11.19 | AlterTone | when i do libxul0d install |
| 09:11.21 | AlterTone | i get this: |
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| 09:11.30 | wols | !paste |
| 09:11.30 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 09:11.39 | AlterTone | libxul0d: Depends: libnss3-0d (>= 1.8.0.10) but it is not going to be installed |
| 09:11.50 | AlterTone | it is one line now |
| 09:11.52 | wols | what if you install it? |
| 09:11.59 | wols | you pasted 5 |
| 09:12.03 | AlterTone | it won't install |
| 09:12.11 | wols | !tell AlterTone about errors |
| 09:12.44 | AlterTone | if i install it, i have to remove libnss3-1d |
| 09:12.50 | AlterTone | which is what apt installed when installing gnome |
| 09:13.11 | AlterTone | removing the -1d version means removing at about 400mb of software |
| 09:13.22 | AlterTone | and reinstalling that altogether |
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| 09:13.41 | wols | !tell AlterTone about errors |
| 09:13.44 | man_in_shack | waves |
| 09:13.54 | AlterTone | i did tell you what is wrong |
| 09:14.02 | AlterTone | and i also told you how apt proposes a fix |
| 09:14.03 | dmseg | heelo, is dpkg open source? (the bot) |
| 09:14.09 | man_in_shack | anyone find that openoffice.org-gtk package doesn't seem to do anything on sid/amd64? |
| 09:14.19 | wols | AlterTone:no you did not. either give me exact output or you must solve your own problems alone |
| 09:14.22 | AlterTone | what i am asking you, is to understand whethere this is a bug due to build dependencies debian - ways or not |
| 09:14.31 | AlterTone | i gave you the exact output wols |
| 09:14.36 | wols | no |
| 09:14.44 | liable | !tell dmseg about what are you |
| 09:14.49 | wols | if you instal libnss3-0d there is an output |
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| 09:14.57 | liable | meh |
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| 09:15.03 | liable | !tell dmseg about infobot |
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| 09:15.50 | seriouslycgi | how do i restart sshd? |
| 09:15.59 | AlterTone | http://pastebin.com/d18f96465 |
| 09:16.07 | wols | seriouslycgi: /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
| 09:16.14 | Hoxzer | Hmm, the way to change default wm has changed with xdm in recent updates? Because it appears that .xsession settings have no effects after upgrade |
| 09:16.14 | seriouslycgi | k thanks |
| 09:16.18 | Hoxzer | using lenny |
| 09:16.24 | AlterTone | wols, i think that it is a bug in the way monodevelop is packaged, requiring such a huge "update" is wrong imvo |
| 09:16.30 | AlterTone | imvho* |
| 09:16.40 | liable | Hoxzer: check the changelog |
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| 09:16.53 | AlterTone | and now you also have the output |
| 09:17.37 | wols | I'd recompile monodevelop with libnss3-1d |
| 09:18.01 | AlterTone | that is what i am saying, isn't this a repository - bug ? |
| 09:18.21 | AlterTone | if i recompile it, at least make it a deb i mean |
| 09:18.54 | wols | only reason I can think of is a conflict but libnss3-1d itself doesn't conflict |
| 09:19.15 | AlterTone | that is what i am thinking as well |
| 09:19.16 | wols | damn, it does :( |
| 09:19.20 | AlterTone | exactly |
| 09:19.27 | wols | Conflicts: libnss3, libnss3-0d (<< 3.12.0~1.9b1) |
| 09:19.29 | AlterTone | so, how and where do i submit this |
| 09:19.38 | wols | !bts |
| 09:19.38 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 09:20.36 | AlterTone | by the way, i tried installing libnss3-0d |
| 09:20.41 | AlterTone | it wiped out gnome lol |
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| 09:24.33 | seriouslycgi | what the heck? i cant ssh to my new debian install unless i do it from within the subnet |
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| 09:25.50 | AlterTone | anyway, i go and compile monodevelop with the right dependencies since it is not available in lenny repos for the current ones |
| 09:26.00 | AlterTone | later, thanks in any case |
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| 09:26.47 | seriouslycgi | ls |
| 09:26.53 | seriouslycgi | haha damnit |
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| 09:29.24 | jescis | so, would being root online like on irc still be a bad idea if you use ssh? |
| 09:32.47 | WormFood | I wished to hell, evolution would at least give me reasonable error messages....someone should fix that shit! |
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| 09:33.04 | mMish | What was name under /etc/with mac addresses ? /etc/macaddr ? |
| 09:33.17 | WormFood | jescis, what do you mean by "online"...you mean surfing the web? |
| 09:33.30 | mMish | /etc/ifmac ? /etc/macnames ? |
| 09:33.42 | jescis | or being on irc |
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| 09:35.06 | jescis | WormFood, you ever think of using pine or another e-mail reader? |
| 09:35.33 | PiousMinion | How do I configure xorg for my hardware on lenny? |
| 09:36.07 | cahoot | PiousMinion: might even manage without any xorg.conf |
| 09:36.52 | PiousMinion | cahoot: right, but I'm trying to add options for compiz and I'd like to regenerate my xorg.conf with info about my hardware and then go from there. |
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| 09:37.51 | PiousMinion | Unlike in the past, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" adds only very basic info that does not pertain to my hardware. |
| 09:38.15 | WormFood | jescis, I don't think pine supports imap |
| 09:38.31 | jescis | PiousMinion, try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:38.33 | WormFood | but my problem is the fact that evolution does not give error messages that are worth a fuck! |
| 09:38.51 | PiousMinion | jescis: read my last message. :P |
| 09:39.19 | jescis | PiousMinion, sorry >.> |
| 09:40.09 | PiousMinion | holy crap. sideways eye-lids? you're an alien! |
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| 09:41.01 | jescis | WormFood, well you could get the dev package and make better error messages ;) |
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| 09:42.04 | jescis | PiousMinion, I wish ;) |
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| 09:45.23 | seriouslycgi | is it just me or is no two installs ever the same? |
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| 09:45.46 | seriouslycgi | like you can install something and it works then you can install it again and it doesnt |
| 09:46.37 | jescis | seriouslycgi, it's just you. I've install debiuan twice or more and I still can't get X to work :( |
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| 09:47.00 | Ace2016 | Which is better for an encrypted root, loop-aes or dm-crypt? i'm installing now and i want to encrypt / |
| 09:47.01 | PiousMinion | jescis: can't get X to work at all? |
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| 09:47.14 | jescis | PiousMinion, nope |
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| 09:47.20 | `nstuff | loop-aes |
| 09:47.30 | Jono | i hate tryin to get pc shit to work! every thin i insall doesnt friggen work! |
| 09:47.31 | seriouslycgi | for instance i installed debian again today and went to install ssh because it was a standard base install but ssh was already the most curretn version. now ssh works but only on the subnet |
| 09:47.33 | PiousMinion | Ace2016: dm-crypt, definitely |
| 09:47.47 | jescis | PiousMinion, my tv comes up with a "no signal" box :/ |
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| 09:48.06 | seriouslycgi | Jono your not alone there. are you using older or second hand hardware? |
| 09:48.07 | PiousMinion | jescis: have you tried it with an actual monitor? |
| 09:48.08 | Ace2016 | PiousMinion: thanks |
| 09:48.32 | man_in_shack | is there any special trick to getting openoffice.org to use gtk/gnome style widgets when openoffice.org-gtk/openoffice.org-gnome packages are installed? |
| 09:48.33 | PiousMinion | :) |
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| 09:49.41 | jescis | PiousMinion, my 37" TV is really my only working monitor. Plus windoze and other OSs don't give me the same problems :/ |
| 09:50.02 | zap | Hello! I made a package, and for some reason when I dpkg -r it, it is still left installed. There are no conffiles in the deb, and dpkg -L shows no files after removal, but dpkg -s still shows it's installed. What could be the cause? |
| 09:50.54 | man_in_shack | zap, maybe you didn't purge it |
| 09:51.11 | zap | yes, I didn't, but other packages remove just fine without purging |
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| 09:51.54 | zap | or not? |
| 09:51.58 | man_in_shack | what does the "Status" line of dpkg -s tell you? |
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| 09:52.12 | xingu | what's that console tool that can show you a top-like view of network source/destination pairs and bandwidth? |
| 09:52.12 | zap | Status: deinstall ok config-files |
| 09:52.24 | man_in_shack | that means you didn't purge it |
| 09:52.39 | man_in_shack | so as far as the package manager is concerned, it hasn't removed config files |
| 09:52.54 | zap | dpkg -L sudser -> Package `sudser' does not contain any files (!) |
| 09:52.54 | dpkg | ii sudser -> Package `sudser' does not contain any files (!) 1.3-13.2 zap's private porn collection |
| 09:52.57 | xingu | aah, iftop. |
| 09:53.10 | zap | ??? |
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| 09:53.35 | zap | what private porn collection ) |
| 09:53.39 | man_in_shack | zap, sure, so it's uninstalled, meaning application files are not there, but not purged, meaning config files could still be there |
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| 09:53.53 | zap | man_in_shack: there are no config files in package |
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| 09:54.03 | zap | it contains just a single shell script |
| 09:54.03 | man_in_shack | zap, and how does the package manager know that? |
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| 09:54.20 | zap | aha, so every package has to be purged after uninstallation? |
| 09:54.25 | seriouslycgi | ok how do i set dns address in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 09:54.26 | zap | *after removal |
| 09:54.33 | man_in_shack | zap, the point of purging is to remove config files that may have been created after the package is installed, not as a part of installation process |
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| 09:54.49 | zap | man_in_shack: aha, thank you |
| 09:54.56 | man_in_shack | zap, purging is a type of removal |
| 09:55.50 | zap | Can I mark somehow the package so that remove acts as purge? |
| 09:56.11 | man_in_shack | no, but you can use dpkg --purge, or apt-get --purge remove, or aptitude purge |
| 09:56.34 | zap | :) I'm on the Nokia Maemo platform, I try to be nice for end-users |
| 09:56.52 | zap | the built-in application manager does just 'remove' |
| 09:57.06 | man_in_shack | then fix it so it can purge too :) |
| 09:57.22 | zap | thats out of my scope so far :) |
| 09:57.34 | man_in_shack | aptitude's gui has a purge facility: _ ( - is normal remove) |
| 09:58.05 | zap | ok, thank you for help. I'm not too common with debian package management, so I'm sorry for beginner questions... |
| 09:58.10 | jescis | gives zap a new scope ;) |
| 09:58.10 | wols | xingu: iptraf |
| 09:58.56 | zap | 's scope is full of other packages that need improvements |
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| 10:01.21 | magentar | any ideas why mysql-query-browser might crash, whenever i select a schema/db? |
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| 10:04.09 | seriouslycgi | i installed debian while on a different subnet. then i set the static ip in /etc/network/interfaces to a different subnet (dmz) now when i try to ssh it wont let me unless im on the dmz subnet |
| 10:04.17 | seriouslycgi | anyone know what i need to change? |
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| 10:06.22 | xingu | wols: cheers; iftop does a better job, but thanks for the jogger |
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| 10:09.14 | man_in_shack | yay, i got my OOo looking non-ugly :) |
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| 10:17.51 | PiousMinion | I'm so frustrated that they took away the ability to automatically configure X for your own hardware in lenny. GrrrArrghhhAarrghh. *snarl* *hiss* *fart* |
| 10:18.16 | petemc | you seem confused |
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| 10:18.37 | man_in_shack | it's spelt "confuzzled" |
| 10:19.15 | wols | PiousMinion: it will return |
| 10:19.31 | PiousMinion | petemc: confused? I sure hope so. Care to point the flaws in my logic? |
| 10:19.46 | PiousMinion | wols: that is reassuring. suggestions for now? |
| 10:20.00 | wols | PiousMinion: they made it automatically configure ONLY actually |
| 10:20.09 | wols | which sometimes doesn't work and blows up |
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| 10:20.27 | wols | hand editing xorg.conf |
| 10:20.39 | PiousMinion | was afraid of that. |
| 10:20.48 | man_in_shack | but that's the fun part! |
| 10:21.23 | PiousMinion | I had planned on tweaking it. I just didn't want to write the whole thing from scratch. |
| 10:21.43 | wols | take an existing one |
| 10:21.47 | xingu | PiousMinion: Xorg -configure |
| 10:21.47 | sladi | long live nvidia-xconfig ^^ |
| 10:21.48 | man_in_shack | what card do you have? |
| 10:22.01 | PiousMinion | i915 - intel |
| 10:22.31 | PiousMinion | xingu: will try. :) |
| 10:22.32 | man_in_shack | ah, have fun :) |
| 10:22.53 | sladi | there is mouse option for sensitivty. IT's great and barely to find of course. ^^ |
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| 10:23.08 | seriouslycgi | yay fixed it myself ne ner ne ner ne ner |
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| 10:23.51 | PiousMinion | xingu: that makes things a lot easier, thanks. :) |
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| 10:24.48 | man_in_shack | http://rafb.net/p/VYOnTh43.html << that's my xorg.conf. works quite nicely with my hardware |
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| 10:25.00 | man_in_shack | i just added the "DisplaySize" clause so my dpi is set nicely |
| 10:25.28 | lymeca | I'm trying to use gpg to generate a keypair, but I can't figure out where it saves the files. I'm simply running gpg --gen-key and following the steps. It seems to finish fine, but I can't find my key files!! |
| 10:25.56 | man_in_shack | lymeca, tried gpg --export? |
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| 10:27.04 | jelly-home | lymeca: they're in .gnupg/{pubring,secring}.gpg |
| 10:27.36 | lymeca | jelly-home: How do I get them out of those files? |
| 10:27.49 | jelly-home | lymeca: what man_in_shack said |
| 10:28.52 | jelly-home | lymeca: in general, you don't want to put the private key anywhere, so you'd just export the public key. |
| 10:29.16 | lymeca | jelly-home: Okay how do I specifically export just the PK? |
| 10:29.21 | lymeca | Err, public key I mean |
| 10:29.39 | man_in_shack | afaik, that's what --export does |
| 10:29.45 | jelly-home | lymeca: uh, I won't rtfm for you, sorry. |
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| 10:30.11 | lymeca | man_in_shack: Running gpg --export won't do that, it just outputs to stdout and garbles my console with nonsense text, including my prompt. |
| 10:30.18 | lymeca | I have to close my xterm and start a new one |
| 10:30.23 | man_in_shack | no you don't |
| 10:30.32 | man_in_shack | run "reset" or "stty sane" :) |
| 10:30.40 | JugulatoR | www.powerpornsearch.com |
| 10:30.43 | JugulatoR | :D |
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| 10:31.00 | liable | sometimes you have to laugh |
| 10:31.06 | jelly-home | lymeca: that's the exported hey on stdout, in binary form. add --armor if you want the ascii-encoded form |
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| 10:35.18 | xingu | adds cifs to his ever-growing list of protocols which are widely available in networkly-atrocious flavours |
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| 10:35.55 | xingu | I mean come on, this is the BBS-era calling, and they want their pre-sliding-windows-era innovation back. |
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| 10:36.59 | xingu | it's not rocket surgery; open a tcp socket, _fill_ it until the Tx end starts swapping, use buffered IO, and handle short reads/ writes |
| 10:37.28 | liable | xingu: sure they would appreciate patches :P |
| 10:37.37 | xingu | that's it; don't introduce synchronisation barriers in the upper layer protocol, don't do dumb things like have "default network read sizes", just let the tcp stack get on with getting on |
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| 10:38.32 | xingu | if you must have OOB messages, then for god's sake _use_ OOB messages. |
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| 10:39.26 | xingu | looks at cifs which is doing a "gimme x-length block, send x-length block data, waitfor next file op" loop |
| 10:39.29 | THZone | hi. I need to instal the package libc6-dev on gutsy, is anyone available to help? |
| 10:39.41 | xingu | looks at his network which is carrying _10%_ of capacity |
| 10:39.42 | kdeuser^ | what`s the package name to install the default mail program, the command mail |
| 10:39.53 | man_in_shack | THZone, since when was gutsy a debian distribution? |
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| 10:40.06 | THZone | oops |
| 10:40.07 | THZone | sorry |
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| 10:40.42 | xingu | is there some special school that people go to, to learn how to write truly abysmal tcp upper layer protocols? |
| 10:40.47 | xingu | because I've seen a few |
| 10:40.56 | xingu | scratch that, I've seen a few million |
| 10:41.33 | kdeuser^ | in irssi how to quit from just one channel ? |
| 10:41.47 | beardy | kdeuser^: /part #channel |
| 10:42.00 | kdeuser^ | thanks |
| 10:42.02 | xingu | this hardware can transcode maybe four times the load that this revolting piece of poo is feeding it; and it's 100% due to protocol cruftiness |
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| 10:42.43 | xingu | it'd probably be faster to set a webserver up and transcode from a http stream |
| 10:43.19 | man_in_shack | i need more multithreaded stuff |
| 10:43.28 | man_in_shack | multithreading make would be cool |
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| 10:44.15 | wols | xingu: xmlrpc? soap? |
| 10:44.19 | jelly-home | makes xingu use smb |
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| 10:44.26 | xingu | man_in_shack: it'd be hard, make devolves to a waitfor execve blocking loop |
| 10:44.36 | xingu | kicks jelly-home into touch |
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| 10:44.42 | xingu | wols: ugh |
| 10:44.45 | wols | man_in_shack: what's wrong with make -j? |
| 10:44.57 | man_in_shack | wols, that's a very good question :) |
| 10:45.06 | wols | if your make run mainly handles make and not the compiler, something is seriously wrong with your software |
| 10:45.25 | xingu | a multithreaded gcc/gas could be fun |
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| 10:45.42 | man_in_shack | multithreaded gcc is not so important if make is multithreaded |
| 10:45.46 | wols | xingu: nothing I'd want |
| 10:45.56 | Gryfelhase | how can I check, what parameters where passed to a loaded kernal-modul? |
| 10:45.58 | man_in_shack | and as much as i have HEARD of make -j before, i never knew what it did |
| 10:45.59 | wols | man_in_shack: why make? |
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| 10:46.11 | Gryfelhase | ok, first: Hi :) |
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| 10:46.22 | soulchild | Hi all,... if I click a partition in nautilus i have no permissions to access them,... but if I do as root, they get auto mounted,... nay ideas how to solve ? |
| 10:46.27 | man_in_shack | wols, running multiple non-dependant-on-each-other jobs at the same time ... :) |
| 10:46.33 | xingu | wols: true, there's not many things left that can make gcc runtime long enough to matter now that memory footprint and bus bandwidths are as ludicrous as they are |
| 10:46.45 | xingu | wols: back in the days of the sparccenter 2000 there would've been a point |
| 10:46.56 | wols | man_in_shack: learn the tool before you demand improvements. it clearly shows you don't know a thing about make |
| 10:46.59 | man_in_shack | i should really try that out |
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| 10:47.38 | xingu | wols: xearth always used to totally floor your build system when it hit the array that held the bitmap data |
| 10:47.42 | man_in_shack | wols, i never DEMANDED it |
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| 10:48.09 | jelly-home | is going to use make -j right now... debian's kernels don't enable some thingums, also 2.6.26 is out |
| 10:48.38 | xingu | jelly-home: /etc/kernel-pkg.conf: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=n |
| 10:48.53 | jelly-home | right |
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| 10:49.45 | jelly-home | ncpus+1 doesn't really work on this amd64 x2, make -j2 is enough |
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| 10:50.46 | xingu | hands jelly-home a unified 2-level cache |
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| 10:51.34 | man_in_shack | hugs group permissions |
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| 10:52.05 | trinux | my group wants more permissions |
| 10:52.34 | cr3rzemjest | i feel so cool after installing debian |
| 10:52.49 | soulchild | why can only root mount volumes on nautilus ? |
| 10:53.18 | rooaus | What is the current recommended method for installing nvidia drivers on Lenny? Just updated from etch. |
| 10:53.38 | Ace2016 | hi all |
| 10:54.01 | Ace2016 | i need help installing debian to an encrypted root partition on a raid, it has a separate /boot |
| 10:54.38 | Ace2016 | it says ALERT! /dev/mapper/md1_cryptp1 does not exist. Dropping to shell! |
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| 10:55.06 | hifi | dual head: can the nvidia propietary drivers be forced to think there is a screen on the LEFT side, it only works if the second screen is set to right side |
| 10:55.09 | Ace2016 | the raid is up and working fine, but dm-crypt isn't |
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| 10:56.01 | xingu | jelly-home: I've noticed my systems give me peak user util% at 2x ncpus; with a faster memory controller, you might get away with 4x |
| 10:57.20 | Ace2016 | it can't cd to /dev/mapper |
| 10:57.23 | Ace2016 | what do i do? |
| 10:57.43 | Ace2016 | i'm in the shell it dropped me into when it couldn't find / |
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| 10:58.43 | Ace2016 | how do i start dm-crypt? |
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| 10:58.58 | xingu | jelly-home: the 945GM memory controller is not a bad little piece of kit for its age/ target market; I was quite frankly blown away by its performance when running dual-channel; goodness only knows what sort of throughput I'd get through the ddr3 x48 sitting next to me if it were running linux :) |
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| 10:59.23 | man_in_shack | hifi, yes |
| 10:59.53 | hifi | man_in_shack: please tell |
| 11:00.09 | man_in_shack | hifi, i'll see if i can find the readme entry on it |
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| 11:00.18 | Ace2016 | cryptsetup luksOpen won't work |
| 11:00.34 | soulchild | Can i install OSX on my Samsung notebook ? |
| 11:01.05 | Ace2016 | soulchild: yes possibly, but not the right place to ask |
| 11:01.21 | hifi | man_in_shack: ok, thanks |
| 11:01.24 | AzMoo | Hey, I'm running amd64 lenny. When I download the linux-headers package it gives me the headers for 2.6.25-2, but my running kernel is 2.6.24-1. If I do an apt-get upgrade it says that the kernel package is being held back. Is there any way to a) find out why, b) get matching versions? |
| 11:01.27 | soulchild | Ace2016: I know :D |
| 11:01.42 | Maulkin | AzMoo: apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 11:01.51 | man_in_shack | hifi, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/173.14.09/README/chapter-13.html << for configuring twinview |
| 11:02.06 | man_in_shack | hifi, you want Option "TwinViewOrientation" |
| 11:02.08 | hifi | man_in_shack: I'm using ati card for the seconds screen |
| 11:02.14 | man_in_shack | ah |
| 11:02.14 | hifi | second* |
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| 11:02.32 | man_in_shack | hifi, http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86_64/173.14.09/README/chapter-15.html << use the "ServerLayout" thing at the bottom |
| 11:02.33 | hifi | if I enable screen switching with switchscreen helper app it works for both directions |
| 11:02.46 | AzMoo | Maulkin: Right. Guess I should read about the differences between upgrade and dist-upgrade. Thanks. |
| 11:03.02 | hifi | man_in_shack: the problem was "leftOf" didn't work |
| 11:03.26 | man_in_shack | hifi, make sure you've got the screens the right way around :) |
| 11:03.40 | man_in_shack | also, try it out with rightOf, above, below |
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| 11:03.49 | man_in_shack | see if they work as expected, or do something different |
| 11:04.03 | hifi | rightOf works as its supposed to |
| 11:04.13 | man_in_shack | and make sure xinerama is enabled and working :) |
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| 11:04.57 | hifi | man_in_shack: http://scene.fi/~hifi/xorg.conf here is the config |
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| 11:05.07 | hifi | wasn't xinerama bad for acceleration? |
| 11:05.19 | hifi | and I do want two separate window managers etc |
| 11:05.21 | Ace2016 | YES! |
| 11:05.31 | man_in_shack | two separate window managers? |
| 11:05.33 | Ace2016 | i had to modprobe dm_crypt and sha256 |
| 11:05.35 | man_in_shack | one on each screen? |
| 11:05.41 | hifi | man_in_shack: yes, like it works now |
| 11:05.41 | Ace2016 | then the slot unlocked |
| 11:05.45 | hifi | with this config |
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| 11:06.15 | hifi | but I can't get to left screen when I move my mouse on the left side of the right screen |
| 11:06.34 | hifi | if I use "LeftOf" for the left screen my mouse is jailed in the right screen (nvidia) |
| 11:06.48 | war9407 | Is it just me or is Xorg-7.3/Firefox-3.0.1 very slow? Firefox (i am assuming) slows down the entire X session for a long period of time when loading pages, 2.x never did this? |
| 11:06.48 | man_in_shack | hifi, what happens when you take out the "rightof" in the "monitor" section? |
| 11:07.13 | hifi | oh, that didn't do nothing |
| 11:07.25 | man_in_shack | and it'd be surprised if you can get two window managers working nicely together |
| 11:07.37 | Ace2016 | does anyone know what the name of the aes module is? |
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| 11:07.51 | Ace2016 | i need to modprobe it in a 64bit system |
| 11:08.00 | hifi | now the config is the way I figured out it *should* work |
| 11:08.06 | hifi | the right screen is the main screen I'm using |
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| 11:08.14 | man_in_shack | i know that you wouldn't be able to have two window managers with xinerama |
| 11:08.17 | hifi | and when I move my mouse to the left side of it it should move to left screen |
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| 11:08.39 | hifi | shouldn't the config be correct for that? |
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| 11:09.23 | hifi | (I uploaded the current one) |
| 11:09.37 | man_in_shack | kinda looks like it |
| 11:09.59 | hifi | so now the mouse is jailed in the right screen when I start X |
| 11:09.59 | man_in_shack | but multi-gpu stuff is often voodoo |
| 11:10.15 | trinux | war9407: confirmed |
| 11:10.39 | war9407 | trifler: k so its not just me, any work arounds? stick with 2.x? or wait for 3.x to be fixed? |
| 11:10.44 | war9407 | trinux: rather |
| 11:10.59 | hifi | man_in_shack: well, I can live with mouse-switchscreen, thanks anyway |
| 11:10.59 | trinux | war9407: i went back to FF2 |
| 11:11.10 | man_in_shack | hifi, maybe fiddle with the Viewport setting on screens |
| 11:11.39 | man_in_shack | take a look at manpage for xorg.conf, might be useful |
| 11:11.48 | man_in_shack | could even take out the ViewPort lines, see what happens |
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| 11:12.23 | hifi | probably nothing as they were autoconfigured with X -configure |
| 11:12.54 | man_in_shack | hifi, read manpage for xorg.conf. do a search for viewport. it could be relevant to your problem |
| 11:12.59 | mardi | i like debian a lot |
| 11:13.15 | man_in_shack | offers mardi a high-5 |
| 11:13.15 | soulchild | do I need an fstab entry, when I want to acess the partion in gnome ? |
| 11:13.24 | Ace2016 | can soneone show me what /etc/crypttab should look like? |
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| 11:13.44 | mardi | accepts man_in_shacks high five |
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| 11:14.03 | Eulex | mardi, especially on tuesdays? :) |
| 11:14.06 | man_in_shack | soulchild, gnome supports a kind of hotplugging thing if your hal/dbus/vfs stuff is configured properly |
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| 11:14.58 | soulchild | man_in_shack: that's the point, as root it works, but as normal user I geta "not privileged" error when i click the device icon |
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| 11:15.33 | man_in_shack | soulchild, then it's a group permissions problem. maybe add your user to plugdev, or similar group, and log out/in |
| 11:15.35 | Ace2016 | Kernel panic :( |
| 11:15.38 | FnordPerfect | Err.. I just garbled a quite huge collection of ebooks using fusecompress. and while I'm waiting for the backup to finish, I'd just wanted to ask which method of transparent compression you would recommend... |
| 11:15.55 | Ace2016 | maybe i'll got with an older kernel |
| 11:16.09 | man_in_shack | FnordPerfect, transparency and compression are pretty much mutually exclusive |
| 11:16.24 | Ace2016 | get* |
| 11:16.29 | PiousMinion | Anyone else have a very odd swirly graphic behind all transparencies in compiz? |
| 11:16.50 | soulchild | man_in_shack: I am already in plugdev |
| 11:16.55 | man_in_shack | FnordPerfect, but midnight-commander supports opening most types of archives like directories, if you have the tools installed, and if you like using ncurses file managers |
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| 11:17.06 | PiousMinion | nevermind, stupid reflection plugin |
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| 11:18.31 | mordy_ | hurray! my compaq is not entirely doomed! |
| 11:18.36 | mordy_ | err... sony* |
| 11:19.00 | man_in_shack | mordy_, there is no hope for your sony. it is a sony after all ;) |
| 11:19.03 | man_in_shack | food time |
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| 11:19.44 | mordy_ | man, i thought i fried it - i just removed everyhting but the CPU itself, and it works |
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| 11:21.42 | FnordPerfect | hm. ok then.. |
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| 11:28.42 | xingu | hah |
| 11:28.44 | xingu | now we're cooking |
| 11:29.54 | xingu | 6Mbit/s -> 13Mbit/s util on buffered IO ("cp" testcase), transcode test case is now running 100% user. |
| 11:31.21 | xingu | server seems to be able to offer a max rsize at 32KB, will see if that can be boosted (my BDP is many multiples of this) |
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| 11:35.02 | manb | if i wnat to connect from the internet via ssh to my pc, do i need to configure /etc/hosts.allow or any other file on my machine? |
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| 11:35.32 | petemc | manb: you shouldnt have to, no |
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| 11:36.20 | manb | petemc, i have forwarded the port to my pc. nmap-online tells me, port 22 is filtered and open, but i can not connect. |
| 11:37.07 | petemc | manb: if you've double checked sshd is running, i would look into the port forwarding again |
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| 11:39.14 | PiousMinion | Anyone know if it is possible to use LUKS(dm-crypt/cryptsetup) to encrypt a current filesystem without losing data? |
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| 11:41.08 | manb | petemc, did it. also checked, that no other user is logged in with ssh |
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| 11:42.55 | xingu | hah! |
| 11:43.31 | xingu | more brokenness; cat /network/filesystem/file | mencoder - gets better bw util% :) |
| 11:44.18 | xingu | obviously mencoder is also unwilling to trust the block layer (use buffered io) on the pre-decode side |
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| 11:45.13 | xingu | hmm, lets eliminate the pipe eh |
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| 11:48.53 | jelly-home | xingu: those mplayer folks have made some interesting design choices (no multithreading for the player, for example) |
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| 11:49.10 | soulchild | When i try to acess a partion on gnome i get: "failed: not privilaged to mount", please help |
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| 11:49.49 | Ace2016 | How do i get mdadm to assemble all the existing raid arrays? get it to scan whats there and bring them up? |
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| 11:52.16 | \bin\tclsh | hi |
| 11:52.20 | Ace2016 | oh lol, the livecd didn't detect my hard disks |
| 11:52.23 | Ace2016 | hi |
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| 11:52.44 | sophist | i have this error after an apt-get upgrade (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X |
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| 11:52.55 | sophist | if i reinstall nvidia driver, will be enough? |
| 11:53.01 | sophist | i wont dirty the system |
| 11:53.25 | wols | sophist: how did you install the nvidia drivers? |
| 11:53.56 | sophist | i installed it long time a wrong (because i am novice) using his own installer, and now i know that is bad way |
| 11:53.58 | sophist | thats why i ask |
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| 11:54.12 | wols | use the debian way then |
| 11:54.25 | wols | and we don't know if it is sufficient. it might be |
| 11:54.46 | sophist | is it some apt-get too? |
| 11:55.15 | wols | what video card what debian branch? |
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| 11:55.50 | sophist | i have gforce 6600 in debian lenny |
| 11:55.50 | eshat | Hello,... everybody |
| 11:56.05 | PiousMinion | Anyone know if anything fancy needs to be done to get the gnome user switcher to function properly in lenny? |
| 11:56.15 | wols | !tell sophist about nvidia_lenny |
| 11:56.42 | sophist | fine |
| 11:56.49 | sophist | i go find that deb-src, thanks |
| 11:56.50 | eshat | When I try to access a partition, gnome says: "Cannot mount volume. You are not privileged to mount this volume." although I am i the plugdev group, any ideas what causes this problem ? |
| 11:56.55 | Ace2016 | where would i start troubleshooting a problem that is causing audio to skip, its very strange, the audio files are fine but its skipping and sometimes gets stuck and repeats a 1sec segment over and over again |
| 11:57.30 | cahoot | plain alsa? |
| 11:57.56 | cahoot | i e no intervening layers |
| 11:57.57 | Ace2016 | arts on top of alsa |
| 11:58.14 | cahoot | first step would be to kill artsd |
| 11:58.14 | xingu | hah! |
| 11:58.17 | xingu | we have a winner |
| 11:58.33 | Ace2016 | ram and cpu usage is ok |
| 11:58.46 | Ace2016 | what audio player will i use then? |
| 11:58.54 | xingu | buffer(1); buffer -s 32k -m 16m -i ... | mencoder - ... |
| 11:59.06 | cahoot | any - just make it output to alsa directly |
| 11:59.10 | xingu | network util% is now same as cat(1) test case |
| 11:59.18 | Ace2016 | i guess i should make it output to akode |
| 11:59.22 | Ace2016 | i use juk |
| 11:59.32 | Ace2016 | its light and fast, faster than amarok |
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| 11:59.53 | xingu | squeezes the very last 20fps out of the test box |
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| 12:00.33 | Ace2016 | xingu: it goes up in increments of 20fps? |
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| 12:02.19 | xingu | Ace2016: and more; the starting point with all default/ no analysis was 35fps for dvr-ms -> mpeg2 transcode from cifs mounted drive to local filesystem via mencoder; it's now cpu limited at 97-100fps |
| 12:03.00 | xingu | ace2001ac: I could probably squeeze a bit more bandwidth out of the network side if I could work out how to get the cifs server to accept a larger rsize (it's choking at >32k) |
| 12:03.24 | Crttys | I have no man page for gcc. What do I need to do? |
| 12:03.42 | Ace2016 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.44 | xingu | Ace2016: obviously the difference in _total run time_ between 35fps and 100fps makes it worth pursuing |
| 12:04.14 | cahoot | gcc-doc? |
| 12:04.53 | xingu | has a punt at the lavc thread option |
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| 12:06.57 | Crttys | cahoot: thanks you, I found it gcc-4.3-doc |
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| 12:16.14 | xingu | hmm, well that's given me about 1-2fps (reported rate is now 99-100fps over a sustained run), and time spent in max p-state is now 95% (user time is marginally better, 102%); if the output's viable should probably retain; now to open the cpu right up to max p-state |
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| 12:19.21 | xingu | hmm, not quite linear scaling (~20% clock vs 15% gain in frame rate) |
| 12:19.30 | xingu | but not bad for a lazy sunday morning's work |
| 12:19.58 | liable | can anyone open a c source file in iceweasel and not have it go into a tab fork bomb? |
| 12:20.45 | abrotman | url ? |
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| 12:21.17 | liable | any c source file |
| 12:21.43 | abrotman | you're opening a local C file in iceweasel ? |
| 12:21.52 | liable | abrotman: nope, linked from web |
| 12:22.09 | liable | http://csourcesearch.net/package/wireless-tools/28_pre8/wireless_tools.28/iwlib.c |
| 12:22.29 | liable | bah |
| 12:22.33 | liable | thats not right |
| 12:22.44 | abrotman | seems to open just fine |
| 12:22.54 | liable | http://foomagic.org/wifi/wpa_ctrl.c |
| 12:23.38 | abrotman | eh .. iceweasel on my system offers to open it in a "real editor" |
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| 12:23.54 | liable | abrotman: but browse and get iceweasel to open it |
| 12:24.01 | liable | abrotman: its only a text file |
| 12:24.10 | liable | it goes fucking crazy |
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| 12:25.58 | abrotman | i chose iceweasel .. and when it spawned the window .. it offers to open it in a |
| 12:26.06 | abrotman | "real editor" again |
| 12:26.13 | liable | hmm |
| 12:26.25 | abrotman | you chose iceweasel and told it not to ask again .. didn't you ? |
| 12:26.26 | liable | it opens a thousand tabs for me |
| 12:26.41 | liable | its been doing it for ages |
| 12:26.59 | abrotman | you chose iceweasel and told it not to ask again .. didn't you ? ... ages ago? :) |
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| 12:27.53 | liable | abrotman: dont know, but why cant it open a text file, which a c source file is? |
| 12:28.08 | abrotman | liable: if you go to the preferences .. and applications .. what do you see as the C Source File viewer? |
| 12:28.20 | abrotman | liable: because the web server isn't sending it as html/txt |
| 12:28.29 | liable | abrotman: iceweasel |
| 12:28.44 | liable | makes sense sorta |
| 12:28.47 | abrotman | so it spawns a new tab as the "helper app" and then it freaks out .. does it again |
| 12:28.54 | abrotman | and again |
| 12:28.55 | abrotman | and again |
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| 12:29.01 | liable | lol |
| 12:29.14 | abrotman | get the point ? |
| 12:29.15 | liable | shakes head |
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| 12:30.05 | abrotman | liable: you could try to file a bug .. i'd guess it could happen with any file that is really just text |
| 12:30.10 | liable | well, its stupid |
| 12:30.29 | abrotman | file a bug ? |
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| 12:31.03 | liable | i might have to. i guess i'll have to put on the flame retardent suit though |
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| 12:31.52 | PiousMinion | Anyone know if anything fancy needs to be done to get the gnome "fast-user-switch-applet" to function properly in lenny? Currently it gives me a blank black screen. Ctrl+Alt+Backspace returns me to the previous users locked screen. |
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| 12:32.27 | sophist | somebody can help me, please? I can't find the source apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers because my source.list must be wrong or something |
| 12:32.46 | sophist | i tried via packages.debian.org but their interl search is dissabled and google search does not works properly as i want, i think |
| 12:32.51 | abrotman | build-dep ? |
| 12:32.52 | sophist | im using debian lenny |
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| 12:33.07 | sophist | that was what dpkg said for download the source and compile the driver |
| 12:33.12 | sophist | i feel that a good way |
| 12:34.36 | abrotman | there is no source for nvidia drivers |
| 12:34.52 | PiousMinion | ..not unless he adds the sid repo |
| 12:35.01 | Nyle | !info nvidia-kernel-src |
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| 12:35.23 | PiousMinion | I had to add the sid repo and use module-assistant. |
| 12:35.25 | sophist | will be not risky add sid repo? |
| 12:35.46 | PiousMinion | sophist: for a single package? not usually. you can remove it after. |
| 12:35.46 | Nyle | nvidia-kernel-source - NVIDIA binary kernel module source |
| 12:35.48 | Nyle | bah |
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| 12:35.59 | abrotman | PiousMinion: no .. there's no *source* for the driver .. it's a binary driver |
| 12:36.08 | Nyle | binary kernel source shit |
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| 12:36.32 | PiousMinion | abrotman: Then what is the module-assistant grabbing? |
| 12:37.13 | Nyle | PiousMinion, nvidia has never released sourcecode for thier drivers |
| 12:38.10 | sophist | well, how can i then fix this error (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X |
| 12:38.21 | sophist | his own advice is reinstalling nvidia driver |
| 12:38.29 | abrotman | PiousMinion: there's an "interface" to a blob that gets compiled |
| 12:38.33 | Nyle | install nvidia-glx |
| 12:38.33 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:38.48 | xingu | it'll be entertaining the day they do give the free software community what they're after - a programming interface to a vector coprocessor that happens to have a framebuffer and a dac attached |
| 12:38.49 | Nyle | or maybe check xorg.conf for the module glx |
| 12:38.55 | PiousMinion | abrotman: ahh |
| 12:39.05 | sophist | it was working good until a apt-get upgrade yesterday, after reboot i get this error |
| 12:39.17 | sophist | nvidia glx is not in my apt-cache search btw |
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| 12:39.19 | sophist | aw |
| 12:39.21 | xingu | at which point it'll be "you mean we don't also get your GL for free?" |
| 12:39.22 | abrotman | xingu: is that skepticism ? |
| 12:39.25 | sophist | i will googleing |
| 12:39.27 | PiousMinion | sophist: yes, install nvidia-glx and change the xorg driver from "nv" to "nvidia" |
| 12:39.52 | DJF5 | hello, I have a Gnome version of Debian running in vm, but most of the time i don't use the desktop. How can i turn it off at bootup so i can start it with 'xconf' and 'startx' when i want to? |
| 12:40.02 | Nyle | !nodm |
| 12:40.02 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
| 12:40.02 | sophist | xorg driver is using nvidia already, i go try find the nvidia glx |
| 12:40.09 | Nyle | !remove gnome |
| 12:40.09 | dpkg | somebody said remove gnome was aptitude remove libgnome32 libgnome2-common |
| 12:40.12 | Nyle | enjoy |
| 12:40.25 | DJF5 | not remove it, just disable it at startup |
| 12:40.28 | xingu | abrotman: "source" for the "driver" will be about as useful as a chocolate teapot, marginally more useful than the vesa interface granted, but not by much |
| 12:40.30 | wols | sophist: pastebin your sources.list |
| 12:40.38 | DJF5 | so i can start it manually if i need it |
| 12:40.51 | Nyle | DJF5, you can startx manually |
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| 12:40.58 | jelly-home | DJF5: follow the "nodm" advice |
| 12:40.59 | DJF5 | with gnome removed? |
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| 12:41.01 | wols | PiousMinion: he cannot install it. he runs lenny |
| 12:41.12 | Nyle | DJF5, I thought you wanted gnome removed |
| 12:41.20 | Nyle | you don't have to remove it if you don't want, follow nodm |
| 12:41.31 | DJF5 | nodm? |
| 12:41.38 | sophist | http://pastebin.com/d2f4a5220 |
| 12:41.42 | Nyle | !tell DJF5 -about nodm |
| 12:41.54 | Nyle | DJF5, check your message window please |
| 12:41.59 | xingu | abrotman: the problem's always been x's lack of a coherent memory manager combined with low quality opensource implementations of things like glsl |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | where did he ask to remove gnome? |
| 12:42.24 | xingu | abrotman: if the latter existed, it'd run equally well on a multicore cpu |
| 12:42.33 | abrotman | xingu: X does a great 2d! |
| 12:42.43 | xingu | abrotman: obviously with a reduction in the number of streams processors available |
| 12:43.08 | Nyle | in my mind. |
| 12:43.30 | wols | sophist: I don't see a deb-src line for sid as the factoid told you |
| 12:43.38 | abrotman | liable: filed a bug yet? |
| 12:43.38 | PiousMinion | wols: I'm aware. I had previous suggested the temporary usage of the sid repo. |
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| 12:43.43 | DJF5 | thnx |
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| 12:43.58 | liable | abrotman: no, i am doing other stuff |
| 12:44.03 | sophist | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free it will be ok? |
| 12:44.05 | PiousMinion | wols: you may be better suited to aide him. :) |
| 12:44.18 | xingu | abrotman: and ironically enough nvidia are feeding just as much into xorg's memory management issues as any other vendor |
| 12:44.41 | liable | abrotman: i'll get some thought on the issue before i do. |
| 12:44.47 | xingu | if you can't beat 'em in the market, beat 'em with astroturf |
| 12:44.56 | co_bingung | wi help me |
| 12:44.57 | abrotman | heh |
| 12:45.02 | wols | xingu: that is not ironical but vrey sane and understandable |
| 12:45.13 | co_bingung | wi |
| 12:45.21 | co_bingung | saya butuh pertolongan |
| 12:45.22 | liable | co_bingung: wi? |
| 12:45.29 | a[2121]e | co_bingung english pls |
| 12:45.31 | liable | co_bingung: english? |
| 12:45.47 | abrotman | !dbugs 306537 |
| 12:45.51 | dpkg | #306537:I[iceweasel] Firefox unexpectedly disappears without prompting; Wed, 27 Apr 2005 09:33:05 UTC |
| 12:45.55 | co_bingung | g bisa cuma dikit yang bisa |
| 12:45.58 | abrotman | isn't that usually called a crash |
| 12:45.58 | wols | !in |
| 12:45.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, in is India, or #debianindia |
| 12:46.25 | co_bingung | mang na g da yang bisa bahasa indonesaia ya di sini |
| 12:46.42 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:46.47 | PiousMinion | co_bingung: --> #debianindia |
| 12:46.58 | liable | erm, indonesia isnt india |
| 12:46.59 | wols | PiousMinion: malay is not hindu |
| 12:47.10 | xingu | wols: it underpins their unix strategy and it's being given away to xorg on a plate; that's pretty incongruous in my book |
| 12:47.25 | wols | xingu: what is? |
| 12:47.36 | xingu | wols: unified memory management for xorg |
| 12:47.43 | co_bingung | i m no andersten |
| 12:47.54 | a[2121]e | co_bingung type /j #debianindia |
| 12:48.03 | wols | a[2121]e: that won't help him |
| 12:48.06 | xingu | man, it's been ages since I last had to use a linux desktop with load > nrcpus |
| 12:48.10 | xingu | and it still sucks :) |
| 12:48.11 | PiousMinion | a[2121]e: not inida, malay |
| 12:48.14 | co_bingung | language indonesaian |
| 12:48.29 | a[2121]e | omg |
| 12:48.32 | a[2121]e | jajajajajajajaja |
| 12:48.42 | Crttys | What does mutt mean by "mailing to remote domains not supported". How can I not be able to send email to someone in a different domain? |
| 12:48.53 | PiousMinion | a[2121]e: I made same mistake, but don't know where to refer. :( |
| 12:49.15 | liable | i dont think there is a channel for indo |
| 12:49.21 | a[2121]e | jajajajajajajajajajajaja |
| 12:49.30 | co_bingung | dah di masuk kan tuch |
| 12:49.32 | liable | a[2121]e: stop that please |
| 12:49.46 | co_bingung | hei g da yang bisa bahasa indonesia do |
| 12:49.46 | liable | co_bingung: do you speak any other language? |
| 12:49.46 | PiousMinion | a[2121]e: what is a jajaja anyway? |
| 12:49.57 | co_bingung | indonesia |
| 12:49.58 | a[2121]e | jajaj = lol |
| 12:49.59 | jelly-home | PiousMinion: almost the same thing as hehehehe |
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| 12:51.06 | a[2121]e | lue tanya dia guna bahasa engilsh co_bingung... bahasa indo ngan ada co_bingung |
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| 12:53.40 | Crttys | co_bingung: /j #ubuntu-id |
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| 12:55.46 | Quibus | Hi all |
| 12:55.51 | a[2121]e | hi |
| 12:56.08 | Quibus | I was wondering if someone could help me find out why I only have a "Digital In" sound input device |
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| 12:56.25 | co_bingung | azizi pa gak ada yang bisa bahasa indonesia di sini |
| 12:56.25 | Quibus | Actually, it's just called "Digital" |
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| 12:56.43 | xushi | if i were to create a raid1 array of 2 disks with mdadm, but only have one of them at the moment, do i just omit /dev/sdb1 from this? mdadm --create --verbose /dev/md1 --level=1 --raid-devices=2 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 |
| 12:56.45 | Quibus | No Mic In or something |
| 12:56.47 | dimir | recently bought some garden table and chairs made in indonesia, great stuff. The name is Jutlandia, made of teak tree. |
| 12:57.11 | donald | hello all |
| 12:57.31 | donald | Quibus: great stuff eh this teak |
| 12:57.39 | a[2121]e | co_bingung join here... #ubuntu-id maybe them can help u on indo |
| 12:57.57 | co_bingung | oke dech |
| 12:58.00 | liable | blames dimir for the deforestation of indonesia |
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| 12:58.24 | oliver_g1 | hi |
| 12:58.40 | oliver_g1 | do you know where to get a -dbg package for vlc? |
| 12:58.49 | wols | !tell oliver_g1 about search |
| 12:59.11 | co_bingung | kok dikit yang ada di #ubuntu-id |
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| 13:00.31 | oliver_g1 | wols: thanks, but http://packages.debian.org/ doesn't seem to have a -dbg package |
| 13:00.41 | oliver_g1 | (searched with http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=vlc&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all ) |
| 13:01.08 | donald | oliver_g1: how about debian-multimedia ? |
| 13:01.09 | wols | then there is no vlc dbg package in debian |
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| 13:02.00 | dimir | liable: :-D |
| 13:02.23 | oliver_g1 | donald: just checked, but they seem to have no vlc at all |
| 13:02.42 | donald | tough luck then |
| 13:02.53 | oliver_g1 | any recommendations how to debug this crash then? |
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| 13:03.13 | donald | i dont use vlc. totem seems to play all i need to play |
| 13:03.41 | oliver_g1 | is there a "usual way" to debug an app that has no -dbg packages? |
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| 13:04.22 | Quibus | oliver_g1: just build it from source, I guess |
| 13:05.14 | yargoflick | oliver_gl: run it from a terminal, see if you get any output when it kicks out. check logs if it has any. try gdb. |
| 13:06.20 | yargoflick | oliver_gl: contact developer for their methods and find out what they use and are looking for. |
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| 13:08.29 | Crttys | How to change the number of VTs allocated at boot into runlevel 2. I have a strong feeling it is in /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh as it is after that scripts runs that you can start switching. |
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| 13:09.39 | orveldv | Crttys: probably /etc/inittab |
| 13:10.17 | yargoflick | Crttys: it is /etc/inittab, but be very careful. |
| 13:10.18 | jabka | [rtfm type question] what does ctrl+alt 3 does in qemu ? |
| 13:10.33 | abrotman | oliver_g1: you could strace/ltrace it |
| 13:10.42 | abrotman | jabka: try it ? |
| 13:11.06 | jabka | abrotman , i have an image that works only in that mode |
| 13:11.13 | jabka | and im trieng to understand why |
| 13:11.57 | jabka | self created d-i disk |
| 13:12.07 | oliver_g1 | ok, I have opened a bug report, asking for -dbg packages |
| 13:12.44 | oliver_g1 | thing is, I _do_ have a reproducible VLC plugin crash in Firefox3, including core file and backtrace |
| 13:13.06 | oliver_g1 | but the backtrace ends in /usr/lib/libvlc.so.0 |
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| 13:16.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 13:16.10 | dpkg | i guess qotd74 is < DrBlink> wow i didnt kno linux had an interface |
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| 13:17.18 | Nyle | whoah! |
| 13:17.25 | Nyle | liable, linux has an interface? |
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| 13:17.43 | Nyle | how come nobody tells me things man |
| 13:17.44 | Nyle | :/ |
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| 13:21.42 | Nyle | http://abstrusegoose.com/strips/SETI_gets_a_signal.JPG |
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| 13:22.30 | DexterF | hi |
| 13:22.37 | Nyle | hi |
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| 13:23.50 | DexterF | most unusual issue: firing up a gtk application in kde that has text fields like iceweasel's url line or entry fields in web sites sooner or later crashes the machine as such that X freezes. programs keep running, I can see the mouse cursor move but the rest of the display is not updated anymore. |
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| 13:24.21 | DexterF | I can ssh into the machine and reboot it tho. It works, but X is dead. the display won't even refresh till a cold boot |
| 13:25.14 | Quibus | DexterF: which video driver are you using? |
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| 13:25.36 | DexterF | I had this on ubuntu 7.10, 8.04, too so I thought "yeah the acnonical guys went too bold on bleeding edge X" and ditched ubunut, went back to debian. all's been fine for weeks, now this again. |
| 13:25.50 | DexterF | Quibus: free radeon driver on a X800XT AGP (R420) |
| 13:26.10 | DexterF | NB is nForce2 |
| 13:26.18 | Quibus | well, could be a bug in that driver |
| 13:26.29 | DexterF | (scuse my typing, rough night) |
| 13:27.10 | wols | DexterF: what debian branch? |
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| 13:27.36 | wols | DexterF: lenny? |
| 13:27.38 | DexterF | Quibus: thought crossed me, too, tho I think its odd it would happen on three different versions of X |
| 13:27.40 | DexterF | wols: etch |
| 13:27.59 | DexterF | got some backports in it, too, but I think X is from etch, lemme check |
| 13:28.06 | PerfDave | Hmm, I've got an Alcatel SpeedTouch USB modem. I've downloaded and extracted the firmware according to http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/ - when I plug in the device, it recognises it and loads the firmware. I get "ADSL line is up" in /var/log/messages, but no ppp0 interface. What am I doing wrong? |
| 13:28.46 | DexterF | wols: xserver 7.1.0. |
| 13:29.02 | wols | PerfDave: ran pppoeconf or such and pon? |
| 13:29.05 | DexterF | so its from debian |
| 13:29.12 | orveldv | here the same thing was happening; etch, but with the nv driver. Moved to lenny, no issues anymore |
| 13:29.13 | DexterF | uh, etch |
| 13:29.16 | PerfDave | wols: This is pppoa, not pppoe |
| 13:29.33 | wols | PerfDave: still, ppp needs to run |
| 13:29.44 | PerfDave | wols: I thought you ran ppp once the interface was up |
| 13:29.59 | wols | ppp0 is the interface, create by pppd |
| 13:30.45 | PerfDave | wols: When I run "pon /etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider" a bunch of garbled characters get printed to my terminal. |
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| 13:33.01 | DexterF | orveldv: the free nv driver? |
| 13:33.09 | DexterF | how long have you been running lenny? |
| 13:33.28 | DexterF | do you use the qt-gtk-engine? |
| 13:34.00 | orveldv | yep ; I always used the free one ; installed lenny in march |
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| 13:34.38 | wols | PerfDave: run "pppd" only perhaps to check |
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| 13:37.44 | abrotman | lenny is going to get "boring" after next week ... oh well |
| 13:38.01 | SeveredCross | Lenny goes into freeze next week, no? |
| 13:38.10 | PiousMinion | I'm getting a blank, black screen when I try to use fast-user-switch-applet and I can't get back to my original use without pressing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix this? |
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| 13:39.03 | PerfDave | wols: That just tells me that pppd doesn't have any secret passwords :/ |
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| 13:40.21 | ivee | PerfDave: read all from http://linux-usb.sourceforge.net/SpeedTouch/ubuntu/index.html |
| 13:40.35 | wols | PerfDave: tons how howtos out there incl. pppoa and they all use pppd |
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| 13:43.03 | extor | The number of webmasters who can't function without cpanel is shocking. Even if they get a VPS they can't do shit with it unless it has cpanel installed. These people have never heard of ssh either, just amazing. |
| 13:43.15 | DexterF | orveldv: well, I wanted to move to lenny anyway, so I'll give that a shot. |
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| 13:44.43 | PerfDave | ivee: Read it |
| 13:44.56 | orveldv | DexterF: ok ; you would probably want to upgrade anyway after lenny got stable ; hopefully it will work for you too |
| 13:44.56 | PerfDave | wols: I've not found anything useful :/ |
| 13:45.36 | ivee | check one more time ;> |
| 13:46.08 | PerfDave | ivee: Yeah, because hte last half-dozen times I read a shitty fucked-up barely-functional HOWTO written by a moron for a distro I don't use, they weren't helpful, but this one might be? |
| 13:46.24 | ivee | I use configs from this howto for my speedtouch |
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| 13:49.14 | Terr1 | Im running debian testing, custom kernel 2.6.26, samba 3.0.30, I have an lvm2 disk that I share over samba, I tried hdparm on all disks in the lvm2 and the mapped device all over 45MB/s.. Netcard: PCI-Express Intel 1GBIT e1000, When I download from my samba server its with 8-15MB/S, however when I upload its 60MB/S? (from windows vista) |
| 13:49.14 | extor | Did I say Cpanel? I meant WHM..server management. That's what these webmasters can't do without. |
| 13:50.10 | abrotman | Terr1: MB or Mb ? |
| 13:51.03 | PerfDave | Terr1: Isn't Vista known for being really slow at downloading files over Samba? |
| 13:51.07 | PerfDave | Terr1: Isn't Vista known for being really slow at downloading files over CIFS, rather? |
| 13:52.53 | Terr1 | PerfDave, dunno? Ive always had this problem with XP as well.. havent checked now thou.. Before I suspected realtek network card, but now im using PCI-Express e1000 so it isent that |
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| 13:53.25 | abrotman | Terr1: MB or Mb .. and is your switch 100Mb or Gb ? |
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| 13:54.09 | Terr1 | 1gbit network.. |
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| 13:54.27 | abrotman | liable: do you have any idea how many bugs are filed against iceweasel ? (and no i didn't see anything similar reported) |
| 13:54.28 | Terr1 | since I can upload with 60 megabyte / s |
| 13:54.38 | dustybin | your cannot use a 1gigbit network properly unless you are using PCI-E NICs |
| 13:54.48 | abrotman | anyways .. |
| 13:54.56 | nvz | ok my filesystem got all FUBAR and I had to fsck it witha backup superblock and it linked everything to lost+found/ thats now the only directory on the filesystem.. just out of curiousity.. what would have happened if I had said no to letting it link all the files to lost+found? |
| 13:54.58 | liable | abrotman: heh, i would hate to maintain a package like that :) |
| 13:55.01 | abrotman | Terr1: do you have a win32 box to try to download/upload from |
| 13:55.06 | joltcan | dustybin: Well, you get a whole lot of improved speed anyway |
| 13:55.12 | abrotman | liable: just ignore them anyways! |
| 13:55.28 | nvz | I guess I am gonna have to write some scripts to sort out what I want to keep and figure out whats what cause they all have inode numbers now or something |
| 13:55.29 | dustybin | joltcan: do you really notice any different? especially on a home network |
| 13:55.49 | nvz | luckily the ownership perms seemed to hold so I at least know which files were mine |
| 13:56.02 | abrotman | dustybin: it's "faster" than 100Mb since the pci bus is 133Mbps |
| 13:56.12 | abrotman | ignoring on-NIC caching etc |
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| 13:56.16 | Terr1 | abrotman, not really only a 100mbit laptop.. :/ just makes you wonder when you can upload 60 megabyte/s but download 10mb/s |
| 13:56.24 | Terr1 | PCI-E NIC's? :) |
| 13:56.35 | abrotman | Terr1: i'd try sharing something from the laptop and see what happens |
| 13:56.35 | Terr1 | PCI-Express netcards or what |
| 13:56.53 | Terr1 | k |
| 13:56.54 | abrotman | caching .. buffering .. whatever |
| 13:57.21 | dustybin | how fast is the PCI-E bus in mbps |
| 13:57.37 | orveldv | nvz: out of couriousity, which fs? |
| 13:57.51 | Terr1 | It is a PCI-Express network card in the debian server |
| 13:57.56 | nvz | orveldv: ext3 |
| 13:58.05 | abrotman | liable: could be worse .. imagine what xorg or OO looks like |
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| 13:58.25 | nvz | orveldv: but since the superblock was bad and numerous other things, the journal was removed by e2fsck.. its just ext2 now |
| 13:58.37 | liable | abrotman: oo deserves lots of bugs :) |
| 13:58.45 | liable | bug reports* |
| 13:58.45 | abrotman | there is that |
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| 13:58.55 | nvz | all the data seems to still be there is just all lumped into one big dir with numbers instead of file names |
| 13:58.59 | Ace2016 | where are encrypted disks mounted? i have an encrypted partition, /dev/mapper/crypto, i tried to mkfs.xfs in it and it said it had a partition table within it, how do i mount a partition from in there? |
| 13:59.01 | nvz | which makes shit hard to find |
| 13:59.04 | abrotman | wonder if there's a page that lists packages by number of bugs |
| 13:59.10 | abrotman | oh wait .. i think tarzeau made one |
| 13:59.28 | orveldv | nvz: sorry to hear that ; is it because of a power loss? |
| 13:59.42 | nvz | orveldv: almost certainly |
| 13:59.53 | abrotman | nah .. only splits by maintainer |
| 14:00.00 | nvz | orveldv: there was no status errors of any kind.. and the drive still sounds healthy |
| 14:00.21 | nvz | orveldv: but a few days straight I was killing the power via the kill switch like an idiot |
| 14:00.32 | DJ_TBX | hello :-) |
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| 14:01.05 | orveldv | nvz: afaik adding "sync" to fstab helps in the case of power losses ; actually that's the way netbsd mount their fs by default |
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| 14:01.13 | nvz | I guess I'm gonna copy all the files owned by me out into a seperate folder, then have it run file on them all and copy each type of file to a seperate folder.. jpegs, mp3s, ascii.. etc |
| 14:01.26 | nvz | not sure really how I'm gonna narrow it down further |
| 14:01.33 | DJ_TBX | I have some question about the new kernel module source package : is tere some manual to show me how to buils some debian kernel module source package, tu use with module-assistant ? |
| 14:01.39 | nvz | for mp3s I can use a renamer that works off tag info |
| 14:01.45 | joltcan | dustybin: I got a fast raid5 on my file server, so yes |
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| 14:01.56 | nvz | I'm not really worried about mp3s though |
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| 14:02.23 | nvz | its the stuff I don't even remember thats on there that I'm most worried about.. heh |
| 14:03.00 | PerfDave | nvz: for FILE in *; do TYPE=$(file "$FILE"); mkdir -p "$TYPE" && mv "$FILE" "$TYPE"; done |
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| 14:04.14 | DexterF | let's say I want to do a fresh install of lenny - do I copy my old home partition data to the new home first or install, then copy home data? |
| 14:04.33 | nvz | orveldv: it started as a few corrupted files, then grub started failing at stage 1.5 and when I booted a rescue disk it said there was no longer a filesystem on the partition and gpart couldn't even see the partition. I "fixed" it with e2fsck -b 32768 and a lot of y's heh.. set a shot glass on my y key and went to sleep |
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| 14:04.49 | joltcan | PerfDave: Won't it just move the files if it can create the directory with &&? Shouldn't you use ; instead? |
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| 14:05.00 | nvz | thats why I was curious what would have happened if I said no to all the questions about linking inodes to lost+found/ |
| 14:05.14 | nvz | would it have been able to keep filenames in tact or would it have deleted them? |
| 14:05.24 | joltcan | PerfDave: Nevermind. I read the manpage :) |
| 14:05.49 | nvz | I didn't realize it was gonna put the entire filesystem in lost+found/ |
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| 14:06.42 | nvz | PerfDave: yeah I got that much figured out.. its how to get the filenames and dir structue back for large collections of say jpgs and whatnot.. |
| 14:07.09 | nvz | PerfDave: mp3s have tag info for clues, pictures can be manually viewed and sorted if need be.. but other types of files are more complicated |
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| 14:07.22 | nvz | basically anything I want back I have to manually go over |
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| 14:07.29 | nvz | and re-organize |
| 14:07.31 | PerfDave | joltcan: Why would you want to try to move files into a directory you couldn't create? :) |
| 14:08.02 | joltcan | PerfDave: Because you might have more than one file with the same type? |
| 14:08.25 | mordy | hello all |
| 14:08.35 | Johnramb00 | hi |
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| 14:10.24 | nvz | oh well I'm not messing with it anytime soon.. eventually I'm gonna lump all my data somewhere and reformat the drive |
| 14:11.29 | nvz | wanders off |
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| 14:12.11 | Ace2016 | Why is there a gui installer on the netinstall disk? |
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| 14:14.11 | soulchild | Hi all, i just connected a Game-Controller to my Usb, how can i find out the device name of it ? |
| 14:14.21 | Corwin | lsusb |
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| 14:15.43 | Ace2016 | how do i open a dm-crypt partition? |
| 14:16.37 | abrotman | Ace2016: what's wrong with a GUI on the netinst ? |
| 14:17.13 | Ace2016 | i'm wondering why its there if we have the other installer |
| 14:17.39 | xand | the same reason it's there on the non-netinst ones? |
| 14:18.01 | liable | its all about, y'know, making life easier for users. people prefer foo, so debian tries to implement foo |
| 14:18.03 | Ace2016 | is my encrypted partition supposed to be treated like a volume? |
| 14:18.24 | valdyn | !confuse Ace2016 |
| 14:18.24 | dpkg | No, who was my badger tomorrow, Ace2016? wellies of the dictatorship of belarus with extra cream |
| 14:18.31 | Ace2016 | xand: and that is? the disk is too small for a full ui isn't it? |
| 14:19.01 | xand | the disk image is smaller as it has fewer packages |
| 14:19.16 | Ace2016 | but it has a full ui? xfce? |
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| 14:19.26 | liable | its all in the initrd actually |
| 14:19.37 | liable | no |
| 14:19.46 | valdyn | gtkfb or just gtk |
| 14:19.49 | xand | umm... it's just gtk stuff |
| 14:19.58 | xand | (xfce?!) |
| 14:20.02 | Ace2016 | so not a desktop? i haven't tried it myself |
| 14:20.15 | xand | it's not a livecd |
| 14:20.19 | liable | its just a pretty version of the usuall installer |
| 14:20.30 | Ace2016 | so why do we need a pretty version? |
| 14:20.35 | xand | the dialogs are pretty much identical to the text-based interface, except you can click :P |
| 14:20.46 | xand | for "noobs" ;) |
| 14:20.50 | liable | Ace2016: why do we need to argue the point? |
| 14:21.06 | liable | Ace2016: just be happy you have the option to use it if you want to |
| 14:21.08 | xand | Ace2016: what's the problem in having it? just don't use it if you don't want it |
| 14:21.10 | Ace2016 | just think the space could be used better |
| 14:21.19 | Terr1 | Im running debian testing, custom kernel 2.6.26, samba 3.0.30, I have an lvm2 disk that I share over samba, I tried hdparm on all disks in the lvm2 and the mapped device all over 45MB/s.. Netcard: PCI-Express Intel 1GBIT e1000, When I download from my samba server its with 8-15 mb/s, however when I upload its 60 mb/s? (from windows vista) <-- Im testing on a WIndows XP laptop 100mbit can download with 5 mb/s (from the samba server) can uploa |
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| 14:21.23 | valdyn | Ace2016: why do you think the space is limited? |
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| 14:21.38 | liable | Ace2016: feel free to join the debian-installer team and help |
| 14:21.41 | Ace2016 | because its a netinstall disk, try to keep it small right? |
| 14:21.42 | valdyn | Ace2016: or why ~5mb more or less would matter |
| 14:21.48 | valdyn | Ace2016: not really |
| 14:21.54 | Ace2016 | you could add memtest instead |
| 14:22.08 | liable | shuddup |
| 14:22.08 | valdyn | Ace2016: we can still add it, memteset does not use serious memory |
| 14:22.08 | xand | it's not a diagnostic CD |
| 14:22.31 | xand | go make your own CD |
| 14:22.55 | Ace2016 | ok the encrypted filesystem thing on the installer is broken |
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| 14:23.06 | Ace2016 | *i think |
| 14:23.20 | xand | do you indeed |
| 14:23.22 | Ace2016 | it setup an encrypted volume, in which i have to make a partition table |
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| 14:24.15 | Ace2016 | but where are the partitions so that i can mount them? they don't show up in /dev/mapper all i see is /dev/mapper/crypto and nothing else so its like trying to mount /dev/sda won't work |
| 14:24.32 | Ace2016 | so is it broken? |
| 14:24.33 | themill | Ace2016: it's there because most of the time we have people complaining that the debian installer is too hard to use. It seems there are two bats that everyone wants to hit us with: (1) it's too hard to use (2) it's too easy to use. Same with installing things by default we're continually getting "what do you mean gcc isn't installed by default and why didn't the spell checker get automatically installed" with "it's too bloated and I hate installing |
| 14:24.33 | themill | recommended packages". |
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| 14:24.58 | liable | !beer themill |
| 14:24.59 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Spaten Optimator for themill |
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| 14:25.03 | themill | :) |
| 14:25.04 | liable | sums it up perfectly |
| 14:25.26 | themill | You can't please all the people all the time. And neither should you try. |
| 14:25.41 | Ace2016 | i guess i should try the new installer the old one is buggy/broken |
| 14:26.06 | liable | Ace2016: you should also file an installation report bug summarising your issues |
| 14:26.14 | Ace2016 | hm... |
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| 14:26.23 | themill | and check that it's not documented in the install guide |
| 14:26.41 | liable | there is a menu option to save logs, then file a bug for it |
| 14:26.44 | Ace2016 | i just can't figure out why it doesn't ask for the passphrase and just jumps to the shell |
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| 14:27.22 | liable | Ace2016: ask on the debian-boot mailing list (after making sure you have read the install guide again) |
| 14:27.36 | Ace2016 | where is the install guide? |
| 14:27.41 | themill | s/read/read and understood/ |
| 14:27.42 | themill | ffs |
| 14:27.52 | Ace2016 | i've installed debian before but never encrypted the raid which is complicating it |
| 14:28.07 | liable | !cluebat Ace2016 |
| 14:28.07 | dpkg | beats Ace2016 with the ClueBat of #debian. Roll 1d6... 1! Go to http://www.tldp.org/ for HOWTOs |
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| 14:28.16 | liable | !ig |
| 14:28.16 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r3 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 14:28.46 | themill | Ace2016: so let me get this straight... the approach is (1) bitch about things (2) claim that they are buggy (3) rtfm. |
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| 14:29.00 | Ace2016 | :) yup |
| 14:29.04 | themill | nice. |
| 14:29.15 | themill | Makes us all really want to help you. |
| 14:29.16 | Ace2016 | ok i'll change my ways |
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| 14:33.31 | bolt | which package contains saslauthd in lenny? |
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| 14:34.34 | Ace2016 | themill: well it seems i followed it exactly like the guide said |
| 14:34.46 | Ace2016 | and all it said about my prblem is: The first case concerns the root partition. When it is not mounted correctly, the boot process will halt and you will have to reboot the computer to try again. |
| 14:35.43 | hoxu | !tell bolt about search |
| 14:36.08 | mardi | xfce + debian rocks |
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| 14:36.38 | Ace2016 | i booted up a livecd, assembled the raid, luksOpened the encrypted partition but where are the partitions within the encrypted partition??? |
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| 14:38.59 | Ace2016 | i give up, maybe loop-aes will work |
| 14:39.06 | enouf | Ace2016: look athe wiki |
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| 14:39.50 | Ace2016 | this one? http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ |
| 14:39.54 | enouf | Ace2016: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto?highlight=%28Raid%29 |
| 14:40.54 | bolt | I have set up all my machines to have no local mail and send it to a smarthost (all exim4). My issue is that one of them still says "No mail." on ssh login, as if it's still checking for local mail. The others don't. Why? |
| 14:41.25 | PerfDave | bolt: pam_mail.so |
| 14:41.26 | PerfDave | ? |
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| 14:42.04 | enouf | files/settings in /etc/pam.d/ssh{d} /login |
| 14:42.04 | bolt | PerfDave: how can I disable that? |
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| 14:42.38 | bolt | ah |
| 14:42.51 | bolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:43.08 | bolt | session optional pam_mail.so standard noenv # [1] |
| 14:43.09 | enouf | also compare /etc/syslog.conf files? |
| 14:43.22 | PerfDave | bolt: grep for pam_mail in /etc/pam* |
| 14:43.30 | Ace2016 | enouf: but how do i mount / from a livecd, wouldn't /dev/mapper/md1_crypt be a volume with multiple partitions? so where is the block device for the partition? |
| 14:43.56 | bolt | PerfDave, enouf: yay. commenting out the pam mail line fixed it. thanks :) |
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| 14:44.22 | enouf | Ace2016: maybe i misunderstood, i thought you were having troubles within the installler, while installing |
| 14:44.44 | Ace2016 | so i went to check out whats going on, so i tried to mount it with a livecd |
| 14:45.29 | enouf | if you read what's listed in that wiki article, it mentions you have to create the mount points yourself, otherwise they vanish |
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| 14:45.48 | xand | I added this to the Monitor section of xorg.conf, but my screen does not switch off from idle... is there another setting? Option"DPMS" |
| 14:45.56 | xand | er, with correct spacing |
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| 14:47.08 | enouf | and then update-initramfs -u eventually |
| 14:47.54 | enouf | xand: xset to set it? |
| 14:48.19 | enouf | [+-]dpms] [dpms standby [ suspend [ off]]] [dpms force standby/sus- |
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| 14:48.37 | xand | is there an "xget" to see the current setting? |
| 14:49.45 | enouf | xand: ~$ xset q |
| 14:49.47 | bolt | hm.. just out of curiosity... my /etc/pam.d/ssh file has a line saying "Standard Un*x password updating". What other than an "i" can that star represent? |
| 14:49.59 | xand | thanks |
| 14:50.12 | bolt | unthanksx :) |
| 14:53.02 | enouf | bolt: very possible it's a typo |
| 14:53.38 | enouf | bolt: i've many over the years .. |
| 14:53.48 | enouf | +found |
| 14:53.51 | Eulex | bolt, they probably meant *nix or *n?x or similar |
| 14:54.13 | bolt | it says the same several places in the file, though |
| 14:54.52 | cr3rzemjest | why do u put * |
| 14:55.32 | PerfDave | cr3rzemjest: *nix generally means "UNIX, derivatives and variants" |
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| 14:55.49 | PerfDave | GNU is not UNIX, by definition. Windows NT was pretty UNIX-like in places. |
| 14:55.54 | abrotman | !tell cr3rzemjest about u |
| 14:56.01 | Ace2016 | where can i get the "beta 3 installer" from 2006 someone said it didn't have the problem |
| 14:56.11 | abrotman | for etch? |
| 14:56.22 | Ace2016 | enouf: thats my problem, its acting like a raw drive http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397872 |
| 14:56.36 | themill | bolt: Unix is also a trademark and became a dirty word, hence un*x in the same way as sh*t etc. |
| 14:57.00 | bolt | themill: ah. that might be :) |
| 14:57.29 | cr3rzemjest | ahahah |
| 14:57.35 | themill | bolt: but it's principally used to mean "unix and things like it that are too numerous to name and people would complain if we compared them to unix anyway" |
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| 14:59.42 | enouf | Ace2016: is this also perhaps an issue related? http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
| 15:00.00 | enouf | Ace2016: oh, just got back to keyboard, lemmee see what you posted |
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| 15:02.10 | tdrusk | Audacious keeps crashing whenever I load a song into the playlist. I am using lenny and I found bug reports showing that this is in fact a problem. The solution was to install Audacious from Sid's repo. How do I do this without messing anything else up? |
| 15:02.20 | enouf | Ace2016: i have a beta3 DVD here from 11/2006 but why? anyways, the Bug you posted is already mentioned in the wiki article |
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| 15:03.43 | enouf | Ace2016: now, perhaps you can somehow boot into the installer, gather information, use alt-f2 to do whatever needs to be added, then follow the rest, update-initramfs .. etc |
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| 15:04.28 | Ace2016 | yea i'm doing that now, but i wiped my / so i have to install all over again |
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| 15:04.39 | enouf | ... |
| 15:04.42 | amine | hey |
| 15:04.50 | enouf | bee |
| 15:04.54 | Ace2016 | hi |
| 15:04.58 | amine | enouf: thanks for the help yesterday, I got my new dedicated server with the good configuration :) |
| 15:05.09 | enouf | tdrusk: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:05.18 | enouf | amine: np ;-) |
| 15:05.26 | amine | how can I get a list of packages that I personally installed? |
| 15:05.35 | amine | (excluding dependencies) |
| 15:05.38 | abrotman | amine: as opposed to ? |
| 15:05.52 | amine | abrotman: base packages and dependencies |
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| 15:06.02 | abrotman | !installed |
| 15:06.02 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 15:06.04 | amine | basically, packages I did aptitude install x |
| 15:06.08 | enouf | iirc, aptitude has the ability to show that |
| 15:06.20 | enouf | though, i forget how and which setting |
| 15:06.23 | abrotman | the aptitude manual would tell you how .. |
| 15:06.27 | enouf | ~Manual |
| 15:06.27 | apt | manual is, like, at http://www.ibot.org/guide-0.43.x.html, or there is no manual, ibot.org is gone, read the source. |
| 15:06.31 | abrotman | probably like aptitude search "~M" |
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| 15:06.38 | enouf | yeah .. |
| 15:06.48 | abrotman | enouf: fail! .. you suck .. read something useful!! :) |
| 15:07.03 | abrotman | and fix my bike please |
| 15:07.19 | enouf | amine: also install aptitude-doc-<CC> where <CC> is your country code ;-) |
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| 15:07.33 | enouf | abrotman: ok, i'm on it .. |
| 15:07.37 | tdrusk | enouf: Thanks. Just what I needed. |
| 15:08.35 | enouf | tdrusk: welcome - for further info, /msg dpkg package basics (oh and be sure to only add 'deb-src', not a 'deb' line) |
| 15:08.41 | amine | heh, thanks. |
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| 15:09.41 | tdrusk | enouf: sweet. thanks bud |
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| 15:13.14 | tdrusk | is there an equivalent to aptitude for apt-get build-dep packagename? |
| 15:13.47 | tdrusk | nevermind sorry |
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| 15:17.52 | Jason_Voorhees | hi @ all... |
| 15:18.22 | Jason_Voorhees | how i can find out / wich driver network module is loaded for my network card / what type of network card it is? |
| 15:18.46 | Zharf | Jason_Voorhees, dmesg maybe, or lspci |
| 15:18.50 | avu | lspci |
| 15:18.52 | avu | also: |
| 15:18.58 | avu | !tell Jason_Voorhees about which driver |
| 15:18.59 | Quibus | lspci | grep -i ether |
| 15:19.09 | Jason_Voorhees | cat /proc/interrupts |
| 15:19.12 | Jason_Voorhees | 201: 3670833 1134238 IO-APIC-level ehci_hcd:usb6, eth0 |
| 15:19.15 | Jason_Voorhees | shows me this |
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| 15:19.34 | abrotman | Jason_Voorhees: ethtool -i <iface> |
| 15:20.21 | Jason_Voorhees | thanks abrotman |
| 15:20.32 | Jason_Voorhees | ethtool is n1 packet |
| 15:20.41 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 15:22.03 | Jason_Voorhees | i needed to know r8169 |
| 15:22.07 | Jason_Voorhees | thats all ;=) |
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| 15:24.10 | enouf | lspci -k is pretty cool :-p |
| 15:24.39 | Eulex | enouf, wow, that's nice |
| 15:24.47 | tdrusk | enouf: what is that /msg command that shows me how to install from sids repo again? |
| 15:25.10 | enouf | tdrusk: /msg dpkg ssb (simple sid backport) |
| 15:25.31 | tdrusk | enough: thanks again |
| 15:26.25 | enouf | Eulex: indeed - however, careful, mine shows nvidiafb under Kernel modules: nvidiafb only, yet, i know from lsmod and elsewhere that intel_agp,agpgart,nvidia_agp are used, not nvidiafb |
| 15:26.36 | enouf | tdrusk: np |
| 15:27.48 | Jason_Voorhees | openvz give's me a roundhouse kick |
| 15:27.50 | Jason_Voorhees | root@www:/# ethtool -i venet0 |
| 15:27.50 | Jason_Voorhees | Cannot get driver information: Operation not supported |
| 15:27.59 | enouf | my video card doesn't even have the line "Kernel driver in use: _____" where my tnt2pro 32MB agp card is :-P .. but oh well |
| 15:28.19 | enouf | oh, and i never had/used the 3D proprietary blobs |
| 15:28.27 | enouf | (if that matters) |
| 15:28.48 | Nyle | yeh |
| 15:28.56 | Nyle | maybe you should move into the 21st century |
| 15:29.15 | enouf | nah, cromagnon women are hotter, and hairier |
| 15:29.19 | enouf | runs |
| 15:29.26 | Nyle | sick |
| 15:29.35 | abrotman | Jason_Voorhees: that's not a real physical device is it ? |
| 15:30.01 | Johnramb00 | Does anyone know the php-mysql package name? |
| 15:30.12 | enouf | Jason_Voorhees: does ls /sys/class/net show that device? |
| 15:30.24 | enouf | though as abrotman , it's not physical, likely |
| 15:30.31 | enouf | +mentioned |
| 15:30.36 | Johnramb00 | php-mysql Package to install joomla? |
| 15:30.46 | abrotman | php5-mysql |
| 15:30.53 | Johnramb00 | Ah! Thanks! |
| 15:31.08 | enouf | !tell Johnramb00 -about search |
| 15:31.12 | PerfDave | j |
| 15:31.14 | Jason_Voorhees | main:~# ls /sys/class/net |
| 15:31.14 | Jason_Voorhees | eth0 lo sit0 venet0 |
| 15:31.14 | Jason_Voorhees | main:~# |
| 15:31.19 | Jason_Voorhees | yes it shows |
| 15:32.12 | Jason_Voorhees | yes its a virtual interface from openvz |
| 15:32.22 | Jason_Voorhees | im trying to move eisfair linux to a container |
| 15:32.28 | Jason_Voorhees | but the network driver fails |
| 15:32.32 | enouf | Jason_Voorhees: 1st off, please don't paste into channel like that, 2nd that last line with your empty prompt doesn't need to be posted ... 3rd please see a pastebin (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 15:32.37 | Jason_Voorhees | so i try to solve the problem |
| 15:32.40 | valdyn | Jason_Voorhees: everything you need to know is in /sys/class/net/ |
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| 15:33.27 | Jason_Voorhees | enouf: sorry |
| 15:33.52 | Jason_Voorhees | valdyn: the best thing is to let it be move a new dist to a openvz container |
| 15:34.54 | enouf | udevinfo -a -p /sys/class/net/ethX would be the way to parse that info nicely ;-) |
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| 15:37.16 | Jason_Voorhees | http://pastebin.com/d37bd709f is the output |
| 15:37.20 | Jason_Voorhees | that will help me |
| 15:39.34 | enouf | Jason_Voorhees: that's missing quite a bit of info - compare it to eth0 for ex |
| 15:40.28 | enouf | also, much more involved would be something like sysctl -a | grep venet0 |
| 15:40.55 | Ace2016 | i think there is a problem, i ran aptitude safe-upgrade to sid and now apt-get dist-upgrade wants to install 82 new packages but aptitude full-upgrade says nothing to upgrade, what is happening here? |
| 15:41.13 | Ace2016 | is there a difference in the way the 2 programs work when picking what to install? |
| 15:41.41 | Ace2016 | which is better for for a debian sid user? |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman | !tell Ace2016 about held back |
| 15:42.10 | abrotman | !tell Ace2016 about sid upgrade |
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| 15:42.14 | abrotman | and read the aptitude man page |
| 15:42.27 | Ace2016 | ok |
| 15:42.57 | Ace2016 | it said 0 not upgraded, i assumed that none were being held back |
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| 15:43.22 | liz2 | Hi, I've downloaded Knoppix 5.3(DVD) to backup my PC which doesn't boot any more(hardware is okay, only software not). It works on every PC but on the one I need it for. It always stops when X is already up and the task-buttons on the bottom appear. The mouse shows up as a square and I can move it, but I can't click on anything, open a terminal... has anyone an idea how it might work? I've also ran the burning-check but it said it was alright. |
| 15:43.58 | enouf | liz2: play with knoppix-cheatcodes.txt .. is debian installed on that machine? |
| 15:44.39 | liz2 | yes and windows, but both don't boot any more, I think I've made some mistakes at partitioning |
| 15:44.43 | enouf | liz2: and to backup, you don't need X, boot using 'knoppix 1' for single user mode, no X |
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| 15:45.31 | Ace2016 | pick another desktop to boot into or install xfce maybe? |
| 15:45.33 | enouf | liz2: f1-f10 keys show some common Boot: options, but that file i mentioned has/lists them all |
| 15:45.35 | liz2 | where can I choose knoppix1? |
| 15:45.52 | enouf | you don't, you type it in at the boot: prompt |
| 15:46.07 | enouf | and leave a space in between knoppix and 1 |
| 15:47.10 | enouf | liz2: try 'gpart' for guessing your partition layout http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ (if it comes down to that) , try gparted livecd as well |
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| 15:49.42 | liz2 | I think I'll have to formatt the whole disk that's why I want to save everything before |
| 15:50.05 | liz2 | I'm in the f2 menu but in both menus I can only find knoppix2 not 1 |
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| 15:50.59 | Johnramb00 | Hello I'Ve got a broken package |
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| 15:51.22 | Johnramb00 | sun-java5-bin is not installed correctly. I get a dpkg error message. |
| 15:51.26 | Johnramb00 | How can i fix it? |
| 15:51.34 | valdyn | !tell Johnramb00 -about ask |
| 15:51.36 | gravity | Johnramb00: What's the error message? |
| 15:51.38 | Johnramb00 | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 15:51.42 | gravity | ick |
| 15:52.06 | Eulex | and above that? |
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| 15:53.05 | Johnramb00 | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 15:53.20 | Eulex | can you paste the full output? |
| 15:53.29 | Johnramb00 | It's german |
| 15:53.41 | Johnramb00 | www:~# apt-get install sun-java5-bin |
| 15:53.41 | Johnramb00 | Paketlisten werden gelesen... Fertig |
| 15:53.41 | Johnramb00 | Abhängigkeitsbaum wird aufgebaut... Fertig |
| 15:53.41 | Johnramb00 | sun-java5-bin ist schon die neueste Version. |
| 15:53.41 | Johnramb00 | 0 aktualisiert, 0 neu installiert, 0 zu entfernen und 2 nicht aktualisiert. |
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| 15:53.44 | valdyn | Johnramb00: then use LC_ALL=C |
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| 15:53.53 | valdyn | geez |
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| 15:54.03 | Zharf | doesn't it say it's already newest version |
| 15:54.16 | Johnramb00 | uff. |
| 15:54.17 | Johnramb00 | sorry |
| 15:54.19 | Zharf | from my little understanding of german I'd say it's already installed |
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| 15:54.51 | Zharf | sun-java5-bin ist schon die neueste Version. "sun-java5-bin is already at the newest version." or something? |
| 15:55.09 | Johnramb00 | Yes! |
| 15:55.13 | Johnramb00 | That's it |
| 15:55.37 | miksuh | so you have already installed it :) |
| 15:55.47 | Johnramb00 | But I get an error! |
| 15:56.02 | Johnramb00 | Error were found on: sun-java5-bin |
| 15:56.10 | valdyn | Johnramb00: as we can hardly guess the complete error: use a paste site and paste the complete output |
| 15:56.21 | Johnramb00 | Okay |
| 15:57.03 | Johnramb00 | http://pastebin.com/m478c8417 |
| 15:57.21 | Johnramb00 | If someone has questions to the english translation, just ask |
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| 15:58.30 | wokay | hello all |
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| 15:58.45 | wokay | how do we update the time from the internet time server other that ntp? |
| 15:58.53 | abrotman | chrony ? |
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| 15:59.21 | simNIX | why not use ntp ? |
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| 15:59.43 | simNIX | or ntpdate |
| 16:00.05 | liz2 | enouf: how can I get to this file, if I use cd in the f2 menu it says he doesn't know it and I can't get to another kind of console, if I wait a little it goes on booting and crashes again |
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| 16:03.34 | sladi | liz2: maybe try puppylinux. It has another xserver besides xorg. |
| 16:03.52 | enouf | liz2: i can't handhold you through this; i already gave a you a nice suggestion, type "knoppix 1" at the boot prompt. hit ener |
| 16:03.53 | gravity | sladi: Seriously? What does it use? |
| 16:03.55 | enouf | hit enter |
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| 16:04.09 | enouf | liz2: use no quotations though |
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| 16:04.41 | liz2 | alright, thx |
| 16:05.51 | enouf | liz2: and see 'gddrescue' from debian (otherwise known as 'ddrescue') for backing up data and making images of your HDD, when you can't otherwise access your HDD - i must say liz2 , perhaps you have just a wee, too little RAM and no Swap? Knoppix needs ~ 144MB to load a full Desktop with X and all the trimmings |
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| 16:07.14 | sladi | liz2: xvesa IIRC |
| 16:07.27 | liz2 | I've got 1GB, that schouldn't be the problem |
| 16:07.57 | liz2 | I've now booted the knoppix 2, which is also only bash |
| 16:08.11 | sladi | liz2: you can boot it to ram completely and use the disc drive for other stuff |
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| 16:10.40 | liz2 | I've now connected my external harddisk, and I know that I can copy my stuff with dd, but fstab doesn't work and I don't know how to find the name of my internal disk |
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| 16:11.18 | tuvwx | liz2, fdisk -l lists all disks/partitions |
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| 16:11.53 | liz2 | thanks, that worked:) |
| 16:12.20 | slackdeb | Hi there!, can anybody help me with a doubt?, FreeRadius + Lenny, its starts in random ports no 1812... |
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| 16:15.58 | enouf | liz2: my apologies, getting old, and so used to debian, i guess it is 'knoppix 2' to boot into non-X mode - also note, IIRC, Xserver is on F5, not F7 as many installs, since only tty1-4 (F1-F4) are setup |
| 16:17.07 | enouf | liz2: browsing the dvd on another computer, seeing the instructions and knoppix-cheatcodes.txt, and #knoppix, and it's forums should've helped straighten that out |
| 16:17.14 | liz2 | np, I'm very glad you did help me, and in the end it worked |
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| 16:21.49 | garotosopa | Is there an easy way to limit the apt-get bandwidth? |
| 16:22.17 | v1s1ons | !EssarHaddon Beck_-_Sea_Change_-_04_-_Lonesome_Tears.mp3 |
| 16:22.29 | v1s1ons | wrg ch |
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| 16:24.44 | amine | http://pastebin.ca/1077597 , this look right to you guys? |
| 16:24.45 | enouf | garotosopa: gah, there's a tool - i forget though |
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| 16:25.41 | Akuw | hi |
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| 16:25.54 | Akuw | i have to versions of java in my Linux |
| 16:26.01 | Akuw | i want to rmove both |
| 16:26.07 | Akuw | how can i do that? |
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| 16:27.22 | enouf | garotosopa: maybe apt-cacher ? check into that |
| 16:27.39 | garotosopa | enouf, thanks I'll check it out |
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| 16:28.16 | tuvwx | enouf, garotosopa : maybe: trickle - user-space bandwidth shaper |
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| 16:29.00 | enouf | yeah tuvwx , that's the one garotosopa |
| 16:29.04 | enouf | trickle |
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| 16:29.43 | heh_v_water | what is the package that puts the gtk fonts and styles settings in the kde control center? |
| 16:29.57 | Akuw | i want to remove java from my linux and install the last from Sun |
| 16:30.11 | enouf | !remove java |
| 16:30.23 | enouf | !install java |
| 16:30.24 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
| 16:30.58 | tuvwx | Akuw, sun's java is available in debian: sun-java6-jdk, and sun-java5-jdk |
| 16:31.01 | enouf | Akuw: i guess remove all the java pkgs? |
| 16:31.08 | enouf | oh, nm |
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| 16:31.28 | Akuw | how can i know the version of java installed in my system? |
| 16:31.31 | tuvwx | Akuw, how did you install it? |
| 16:31.39 | tuvwx | Akuw, java -version |
| 16:31.58 | Akuw | humm |
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| 16:32.07 | Akuw | i am looking in Synaptic |
| 16:32.16 | Akuw | sun-java5-jdk |
| 16:32.18 | enouf | heh_v_water: try apt-cache search kde | grep gtk ? |
| 16:32.26 | Akuw | and sun-java5-jre |
| 16:33.44 | garotosopa | hahah I limited to 6kB/s then it downloads a bit at 40kB/s then gets stalled for a while then downloads a bit more at 40kB/s then gets stalled again.... |
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| 16:34.46 | enouf | heh_v_water: ~$ apt-cache show gtk-qt-engine ? |
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| 16:35.18 | kladizkov | i just installed a new debian lenny, the only trouble is iceweasel doesn't work...i dont see any error from iceweasel...it just quits... |
| 16:35.19 | enouf | garotosopa: using trickle? |
| 16:35.25 | garotosopa | enouf, yes |
| 16:35.34 | kladizkov | how can i make iceweasel work? |
| 16:35.48 | enouf | garotosopa: maybe you just want to nice the process? |
| 16:36.02 | enouf | nice / renice |
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| 16:36.07 | garotosopa | kladizkov, try running it from the terminal then you might see something useful |
| 16:36.17 | enouf | garotosopa: though that's cpu usage related |
| 16:36.47 | kladizkov | garotosopa: i ran it from terminal, it doesn't output anything...just quits.. |
| 16:37.00 | enouf | kladizkov: show us what dpkg -l iceweasel |
| 16:37.06 | enouf | kladizkov: show us what dpkg -l iceweasel | tail -n 1 says |
| 16:38.28 | enouf | kladizkov: after a fresh install, might want to run an update (definitely) and an upgrade perhaps, is your sources.list setup correctly and you have working net? |
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| 16:42.29 | kladizkov | garotosopa: http://pastebin.com/m16cb68ba |
| 16:42.57 | kladizkov | the one i'm using is from this weeks repo |
| 16:43.05 | enouf | amine: might want to ask in #iptables .. or even ##linux, or see #debian@irc.debian.org |
| 16:43.16 | kladizkov | tomorrow they will update it...but will iceweasel be new? |
| 16:43.19 | kladizkov | hehe |
| 16:43.20 | garotosopa | kladizkov, enouf said -l (L lower case) no -i |
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| 16:45.46 | jescis | enouf, Do you know if I could/should compress the bzImage file to fit on a floppy or is it technically already compressed? :/ |
| 16:45.53 | DawnLight | what is the rc file for a user's X session? |
| 16:46.05 | kladizkov | garotosopa: http://pastebin.com/m3de33742 |
| 16:47.35 | amine | enouf: thanks |
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| 16:48.10 | jelly-home | jescis: bzimage is gzip compressed |
| 16:48.34 | jescis | jelly-home, The kernel is 1907853 bytes in size and a floppy can't hold it. or should I make a boot cd instead(since a cd can hold more) |
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| 16:50.48 | nkuttler | DawnLight: ?dm |
| 16:50.57 | jelly-home | jescis: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:50.59 | enouf | DawnLight: if a dm is installed , use /etc/init.d/{k,g,x}dm stop|start|force-reload|reload or whatever |
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| 16:51.19 | enouf | DawnLight: otherwise see /etc/X11/Xsession/xinitrc , iirc |
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| 16:51.41 | DawnLight | nkuttler: kdm enouf: i'm trying to set the language for a user in X |
| 16:52.04 | enouf | DawnLight: er /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc |
| 16:52.12 | enouf | oh |
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| 16:52.40 | nkuttler | DawnLight: doesn't x respect your locale settings? |
| 16:53.06 | jelly-home | a slightly different question, then: how does kdm remember the previous locale and session choice from the last time user logged in? |
| 16:53.21 | DawnLight | nkuttler: i want the user to have a different locale than the default. also enouf |
| 16:53.21 | enouf | nkuttler: i think maybe she wants one user to use one locale, another user to use a different one |
| 16:53.40 | errorX | debian:/etc/php5# php -v |
| 16:53.40 | errorX | -bash: php: command not found |
| 16:53.41 | DawnLight | is male |
| 16:53.48 | enouf | apologies |
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| 16:53.53 | jelly-home | DawnLight: the user can choose it on the login screen |
| 16:54.04 | errorX | i just did apt-get install php5 and it completed , but when i try to see the version php -v debian:/etc/php5# php -v -bash: php: command not found |
| 16:54.05 | enouf | i would've thought so too |
| 16:54.12 | errorX | sorry for double post |
| 16:54.20 | DawnLight | jelly-home: which login screen? |
| 16:54.26 | enouf | kdm DeltaS4 |
| 16:54.28 | jelly-home | DawnLight: the kdm one |
| 16:54.32 | enouf | kdm DawnLight |
| 16:54.36 | DawnLight | nope |
| 16:54.40 | DawnLight | isn't such a thing |
| 16:54.41 | enouf | my bad tab DeltaS4 |
| 16:54.56 | nkuttler | errorX: install the php cli package |
| 16:55.02 | jelly-home | DawnLight: which debian release? |
| 16:55.12 | DeltaS4 | I changed from grub to lilo but lilo seemed not to auto-configure itself like when installed in the end of debian setup |
| 16:55.16 | DawnLight | jelly-home: etch |
| 16:55.16 | enouf | DawnLight: if you change the locale in kcontrol for that User, then when that user logs in again, their settings should be loaded |
| 16:55.26 | DawnLight | enouf: for kde apps |
| 16:55.32 | enouf | ugh |
| 16:55.43 | DeltaS4 | is this normal? |
| 16:56.00 | errorX | nkuttler thanks |
| 16:56.12 | DawnLight | so what's the file, fellas? |
| 16:57.03 | jescis | jelly-home, I was following a Howto on compiling a kernel and "make bzImage" works because unlike "make bzdisk", bzImage doesn't try to make a floppy with it |
| 16:57.21 | enouf | DawnLight: there might be something systemwide in /etc/kde3/* .. no idea |
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| 16:57.55 | nkuttler | DawnLight: if kde has something like an xsession file add LANG=foo etc in there |
| 16:58.32 | DawnLight | common, y'all pre-Xdm unixorz don't know these things? |
| 16:58.46 | enouf | DawnLight: i guess you could define somethings in an ~/.xsession (when using a DE like kde) , or ~/.xinitrc (when not) .. or maybe ~/.Xdefaults? |
| 16:58.46 | nkuttler | DawnLight: #kde |
| 16:58.59 | enouf | !tell DawnLight -about xsession |
| 16:59.32 | enouf | DawnLight: there is a #debian-kde |
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| 16:59.46 | enouf | (devel channel) |
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| 16:59.57 | DawnLight | in oftc? |
| 17:00.02 | enouf | no, here |
| 17:00.13 | enouf | i don't know, maybe over there too |
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| 17:01.40 | kladizkov | ah, firefox 2.0.0.16, iceweasel 3.0 rc2, firefox 3.0.1 - all these doesn't work in my debian machine... |
| 17:01.40 | kladizkov | hehe |
| 17:01.40 | kladizkov | looks somekind of lib issues... |
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| 17:02.34 | enouf | amd64 arch + chroot ? kladizkov ? |
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| 17:04.00 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | What's with epiphany? |
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| 17:04.10 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | One time it does some Firefox 2 like download box |
| 17:04.16 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | then it does a classic download box |
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| 17:04.24 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | and just crashes after some downlods |
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| 17:05.15 | danderson | Hello. Has anyone run into this bug while dist-upgrading sid: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489593 ? |
| 17:05.19 | jelly-home | enouf: gdm, kdm and friends seem not to touch .xinitrc or .Xsession in debian any more; not sure about etch |
| 17:05.40 | danderson | the bug looks quite serious, but the fact that it's been out there and open for 2wks suggests to me that it doesn't actually affect many people |
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| 17:06.06 | enouf | jelly-home: interesting .. time for a factoid update? .. oh, due to the newer Xorg perhaps? |
| 17:06.22 | jelly-home | enouf: which factoid? |
| 17:06.24 | enouf | jelly-home: sadly, i can't vouch for etch either |
| 17:06.35 | enouf | jelly-home: /msg dpkg xsession |
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| 17:10.01 | gravity | ~/.xsession still works. |
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| 17:10.20 | gravity | ~/.xsessionrc is outside their purview and should still work |
| 17:10.21 | apt | okay, gravity |
| 17:10.27 | gravity | Damn it |
| 17:10.41 | gravity | is too lazy to fix apt's database |
| 17:12.29 | enouf | gravity: thanks for the info - so to clarify (as the factoid mentions) if one is using a DM, then to override X defaults, one can create and use a ~/.xsession file, correct? |
| 17:12.46 | danderson | so, nobody had problems upgrading sid on x86 recently? |
| 17:12.47 | gravity | enouf: Yes |
| 17:13.11 | gravity | danderson: No, did you have a specific package error? |
| 17:13.28 | enouf | gravity: i notice many if -x $(HOME)/.xsession type things in many /etc/X11/* files ;-) |
| 17:13.30 | jelly-home | danderson: I've had the very same libc6 version on lenny for some time, it installed cleanly |
| 17:13.36 | enouf | gravity: thanks |
| 17:13.44 | gravity | right |
| 17:13.47 | danderson | gravity: I'm dist-upgrading after a long while with no upgrades, and I'm concerned about http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489593 |
| 17:13.53 | danderson | breaking ldconfig sounds like a very bad idea |
| 17:14.05 | DawnLight | this .xsessionrc thing makes my session not start at all |
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| 17:14.30 | danderson | but I'm wondering if it's actually widespread, since a critical bug has been open and waiting for 2 weeks without thousands of people jumping in with "me too" |
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| 17:14.50 | gravity | danderson: That is worrisome, although I haven't had a problem on either of my long-lived sid installs |
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| 17:15.13 | gravity | DawnLight: What's in your .xsessionrc? |
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| 17:15.39 | DawnLight | my bad. somehow i've created an .xsession file |
| 17:15.40 | danderson | gravity: that is, x86 sid installs upgraded after 7/7 ? |
| 17:15.48 | gravity | DawnLight: Yeah, that'd do it |
| 17:15.52 | gravity | They're very different |
| 17:16.16 | gravity | danderson: Yeah, I just upgraded an install today, and another on Friday. Both were fine |
| 17:16.19 | DawnLight | but still, it doesn't set my variable! |
| 17:16.26 | gravity | I upgrade one of them each weekday, no real problems yet |
| 17:16.36 | gravity | DawnLight: Do you export it? |
| 17:16.37 | danderson | gravity: hmm, okay, thanks. I guess I'll take the leap and see what happens :-) |
| 17:16.48 | gravity | danderson: Good luck :-\ |
| 17:16.54 | DawnLight | export LC_ALL=he_IL.UTF-8 |
| 17:17.03 | DawnLight | gravity: ^ |
| 17:17.05 | buntfalke | hi |
| 17:18.18 | gravity | hrm |
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| 17:18.39 | gravity | Well, gdm *should* source it properly by now... |
| 17:18.45 | gravity | goes to double check |
| 17:19.11 | gravity | DawnLight: What version of gdm do you have? |
| 17:19.37 | DawnLight | gravity: kdm etch |
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| 17:19.42 | gravity | argh |
| 17:20.08 | gravity | I'll have to dig up what kdm does |
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| 17:22.44 | jelly-home | wonders how to start kdm inside Xephyr |
| 17:22.48 | enouf | DawnLight: so with an ~/.xsession nothing happens? but with a ~/.xsessionrc something does happen, but doesn't work properly ? .. is it possible you already have specific accessibility and user options set in kcontrol? |
| 17:23.08 | DawnLight | enouf: i've not touched those things |
| 17:23.22 | enouf | (is curious why ~/.xsession didn't do anything) |
| 17:23.23 | DawnLight | enouf: .xsession makes X not start |
| 17:23.24 | gravity | DawnLight: Oh, duh. ~/.xsessionrc won't do anything in etch |
| 17:23.32 | DawnLight | ahuh |
| 17:23.33 | enouf | DawnLight: i asked ~ 3 questions ;-) |
| 17:23.35 | gravity | DawnLight: That's something for the next release |
| 17:23.54 | DawnLight | so i don't get it. i should use .xsession? |
| 17:23.58 | gravity | Yeah |
| 17:24.03 | DawnLight | i'll try again |
| 17:24.06 | gravity | But you'll have to also specify what programs to load |
| 17:24.11 | gravity | Not just the variable |
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| 17:24.19 | DawnLight | i had an empty .xsession i think |
| 17:24.39 | gravity | Yeah, that won't do anything. X will just up and quit because it doesn't have anything to do |
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| 17:25.02 | DawnLight | but kdm is starting it |
| 17:25.10 | DawnLight | tells it to do stuff |
| 17:25.28 | gravity | No, kdm just runs the script in this case then the script terminates and it goes back to kdm |
| 17:25.45 | gravity | ~/.xsession is just a shell script executed by the *dm |
| 17:25.45 | apt | ...but /.xsession is already something else... |
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| 17:25.53 | gravity | apt: You need a new trigger |
| 17:25.58 | cahoot | isn't there a .kdmrc to put such things in? |
| 17:25.59 | enouf | heh |
| 17:26.09 | DawnLight | ahm... there is something |
| 17:26.40 | DawnLight | perhaps i'll make .xsession launch the regular script that kdm normally makes it run after i do my things |
| 17:26.45 | enouf | hehe [12:59:09] <enouf> DawnLight: there might be something systemwide in /etc/kde3/* .. no idea |
| 17:26.47 | DawnLight | but what is that |
| 17:27.43 | gravity | DawnLight: The way it works is that kdm provides you with a set of things to do on login. The "default" is to run the ~/.xsession (or rather, source it) if it's present. Alternately, it'll run something else if you pick a window manager from the menu, but then it'll ignore ~/.xsession all together. That's why we added ~/.xsessionrc, so you could put an environment variable that won't get ignored |
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| 17:28.40 | DawnLight | sounds bad, all this |
| 17:28.58 | gravity | eh? |
| 17:29.03 | gravity | It's really simple |
| 17:29.16 | cr3rzemjest | JEEZAS |
| 17:29.25 | cr3rzemjest | i hate this package management thing |
| 17:29.46 | DawnLight | i know it is |
| 17:29.48 | gravity | Just put the export line on the first line of your ~/.xsession. After that, have it run any program you want, including your window manager. If you want to run more than one program, put them in the background using & |
| 17:29.52 | cr3rzemjest | in order to install ~15 MB app i need to download 150 MEGABYTES OF LIBRARIES! |
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| 17:30.07 | rsk | cr3rzemjest: yep |
| 17:30.11 | Eulex | cr3rzemjest, because the app needs it, and won't work without it. get over it. |
| 17:30.13 | gravity | cr3rzemjest: That doesn't really have anything to do with package management. The app needs that code. |
| 17:30.21 | DawnLight | gravity: i want not to run specific programs, but the default script that kdm launches normally |
| 17:30.24 | gravity | cr3rzemjest: The alternative is to have a 165MB app |
| 17:30.37 | gravity | DawnLight: Then just run that! |
| 17:30.43 | enouf | DawnLight: IIUC, see, ~/.xsession normally contains a line like "exec some-Window-Manager" and many more with settings too .. using a ~/.xsessionrc bypasses whatever is in your ~/.xsession file, and so would selecting a WM from the KDM login screen menu |
| 17:30.48 | gravity | DawnLight: Put that in the next line after your variable |
| 17:30.48 | DawnLight | gravity: what is that? |
| 17:30.55 | gravity | DawnLight: I don't know, I don't run KDE |
| 17:31.07 | cr3rzemjest | so ppl who made the program are nuts because they used weird ease to use libraries instead to eg. use SDL or something |
| 17:31.10 | DawnLight | right. there are several files in /etc/kde3/kdm |
| 17:31.14 | gravity | Is it startkde? |
| 17:31.17 | DawnLight | i don't know which one |
| 17:31.21 | gravity | That was it back in the kde 2.x days, iirc |
| 17:31.25 | enouf | gravity: yesm typically startkde is triggered |
| 17:31.27 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: if you don't like it .. use another operating system |
| 17:31.33 | gravity | DawnLight: Try startkde |
| 17:31.49 | gravity | export FOO=BAR ; startkde |
| 17:32.10 | gravity | On separate lines would be more readable as well |
| 17:32.37 | gravity | cr3rzemjest: Or... maybe they actually need some of that code? |
| 17:32.56 | gravity | cr3rzemjest: Not everyone wants to write things from scratch based on primitives like SDL |
| 17:33.10 | jelly-home | env FOO=BAR startkde! |
| 17:33.16 | gravity | jelly-home wins |
| 17:33.22 | enouf | gravity: just to show some http://pastebin.ca/raw/1077645 |
| 17:33.26 | gravity | I don't know if you need the env though |
| 17:33.28 | DawnLight | bitches want out |
| 17:33.31 | DawnLight | bbl |
| 17:34.00 | gravity | enouf: Yep, looks like all he needs is startkde |
| 17:34.07 | gravity | "stompthebozo"? |
| 17:34.16 | enouf | hehe ;-) shhh |
| 17:35.53 | cr3rzemjest | but why windows version of this app is 13MB, and *.deb provided for download (on official website) is 300K, but when i try to install it from repo apt says 'Need to get 161MB/161MB of archives.' isn't that weird? |
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| 17:35.55 | cr3rzemjest | gravity, ^ |
| 17:35.57 | enouf | gravity: and in /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc i have this; exec /usr/bin/X11/X -dpi 96 -nolisten tcp |
| 17:36.08 | gravity | cr3rzemjest: What's the app? |
| 17:36.16 | jelly-home | cr3rzemjest: you could also disable automatic installation of Recommended packages, which might reduce the number of installed packages |
| 17:36.20 | cr3rzemjest | gravity, http://ichi2.net/anki/download/index.html |
| 17:36.23 | gravity | cr3rzemjest: Windows probably includes a lot of the code already installed |
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| 17:37.12 | gravity | cr3rzemjest: Looks like it needs gtk and maybe gnome stuff. That's a lot of libraries |
| 17:37.18 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: which pkg manager? and which release? |
| 17:37.36 | enouf | which debian release, i mean |
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| 17:37.52 | Ace2016 | !bug |
| 17:37.53 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 17:37.54 | gravity | Or qt maybe, geez |
| 17:37.56 | enouf | yeah, Recommends will kill ya, they too have their own Depends ;-P |
| 17:38.18 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, like, the number? |
| 17:38.33 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: etch / lenny / sid |
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| 17:38.49 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: and apt / aptitude / synaptic |
| 17:38.56 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, in console it says lenny / sid |
| 17:39.02 | enouf | ok |
| 17:39.03 | gravity | Needs python, qt, and whatever qt drags in apparently |
| 17:39.09 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:39.44 | enouf | windows has python already? hrm .. |
| 17:39.55 | gravity | cr3rzemjest must have a fairly clean install if he doesn't have python, qt, and sqlite installed |
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| 17:40.45 | cr3rzemjest | gravity, well, i installed only fluxbox as a window manager |
| 17:41.26 | abrotman | so you likely had no qt and no sqlinte |
| 17:41.27 | gravity | This is the problem with people who obsess over their minimal installs. When they actually need to do something then they bitch about how they have to download all this shit that really is standard on a desktop machine |
| 17:41.40 | n-iCe | hi hi |
| 17:41.46 | enouf | bingo |
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| 17:42.07 | enouf | but windows must already have all that shit installed |
| 17:42.09 | enouf | no? |
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| 17:42.19 | gravity | enouf: It's got a GUI library, so you don't need qt |
| 17:42.23 | cr3rzemjest | it's author's fault they use all this stuff |
| 17:42.32 | whileimhere | Hi I was wondering about the need for a swap drive. I have a Sempron with a gig of ram. Will I really ever need a swap drive and if so how big? |
| 17:42.35 | enouf | gravity: aha! .. i no nothing about windows .. anymore ;-) |
| 17:42.39 | enouf | know* |
| 17:42.51 | gravity | I dunno |
| 17:43.21 | enouf | gravity: right .. duh, QT / gtk etc allows self-contained separation without Kernel entanglement, duh |
| 17:43.30 | enouf | gravity: just like Mozilla suite once was |
| 17:43.35 | enouf | er is |
| 17:43.54 | gravity | Maybe we're just pulling in a lot of crap. Who knows. |
| 17:45.39 | enouf | whileimhere: doesn't hurt to have one - atleast a small one is recommended |
| 17:45.54 | enouf | whileimhere: you can use/make a partition, or use a file |
| 17:46.00 | wols | gravity: did you get more on the autodetect X issue? |
| 17:46.17 | gravity | wols: No, it should just work, same as ever |
| 17:46.37 | enouf | Windows GUI is directly entangled in it's kernel and many many system DLLs, that if missing, a ton of shit would break <-- for example, you can't uninstall Explorer.exe :-) |
| 17:46.57 | gravity | Is that still true? I don't really know anything about Vista's architecture |
| 17:46.59 | enouf | i know there are workarounds, and Registry tearouts .. but you get my drift |
| 17:47.11 | gravity | And X is busy getting more stuff in the kernel anyhow. At least the stuff that should be there. |
| 17:47.12 | wols | gravity: unfortunately it's not true. most times it's finding the proper screen. ie refresh rates, res, etc |
| 17:47.13 | enouf | see, newer shit, i have no idea |
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| 17:47.22 | wols | EDID is nice in theory but not always in practice |
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| 17:47.49 | wols | the driver is usually te right one or at least a working one. talk to ubuntu ops maybe |
| 17:47.57 | gravity | wols: We've always relied on EDID. All distros do. Debian isn't unique in that. We have nothing else to go on. Xorg is actively adding quirks for specific EDID issues |
| 17:48.20 | octal | is away: |
| 17:48.21 | gravity | wols: The old scripts relied on EDID as well, they just used an external program instead of letting the X server do it at runtime |
| 17:48.46 | wols | one crucial difference: if it fucked up you had debconf |
| 17:49.10 | gravity | wols: That's orthogonal to autodetection |
| 17:49.20 | gravity | wols: So you want an interface via debconf to specify resolutions? |
| 17:49.21 | enouf | well, IIUC, X has to communicate through sockets to Xlib which then talks to the kernel, and windows doesn't have those layers/abstractions (yes, overly simplified) and i'm likely making a generalization i shouldn't be ;-) |
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| 17:49.56 | gravity | enouf: s/Xlib/Xserver/ but yes, that's my understanding of windows too. Although I think windows nowadays probably puts more stuff in userspace |
| 17:50.06 | cr3rzemjest | haha lol |
| 17:50.09 | wols | gravity: fallback mainly. autodetect is fine. best of all outcomes if it works. |
| 17:50.26 | cr3rzemjest | gravity, i installed windows version using wine, and it works xd |
| 17:50.28 | wols | gravity: another thing is I guess nvidia/fglrx integration vs. nv/radeon |
| 17:50.40 | cr3rzemjest | and it has some Qt-python stuff inside |
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| 17:51.00 | gravity | wols: nvidia/fglrx is being discussed actively right now upstream |
| 17:51.06 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: yeah, likely just cherry-picked what they needed for that then |
| 17:51.25 | wols | I can imagine. the proprietaryness fucks it all up |
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| 17:51.29 | gravity | wols: fallback needs to happen upstream. Ubuntu has bulletproof X but that kinda sucks. We need it, but it's not really Debian's job to provid eit |
| 17:51.43 | gravity | wols: Right now, because of deficiencies in X, the user has to suffer. If you want to fix it, help X.org fix X! |
| 17:51.52 | wols | bulletproof? :) black screens and the like aren't bulletproof |
| 17:52.08 | wols | granted, often ati or such but still |
| 17:52.14 | enouf | wols: if it's dead, do bullets really matter? O_o |
| 17:52.18 | enouf | hides |
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| 17:56.58 | jcranmer | hmm, how live is this channel ATM? |
| 17:57.10 | rsk | dunno |
| 17:57.37 | DawnLight | i am ALIVE! |
| 17:57.42 | newsense | bout 6 active users |
| 17:57.45 | abrotman | jcranmer: there are over 800 people here |
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| 17:57.58 | DawnLight | 800 shy people |
| 17:58.00 | jcranmer | abrotman: doesn't mean every person is actually at his computer |
| 17:58.09 | abrotman | duh |
| 17:58.23 | newsense | 9 active users now according to kvirc client |
| 17:58.26 | rsk | or looking at irc |
| 17:58.28 | abrotman | do you have a real question? or you just want to see who is alive? |
| 17:58.30 | jcranmer | in any case, I'm trying to manage the upgrade to the 2.6.25 linux kernel |
| 17:58.39 | abrotman | jcranmer: which versoin of debian? |
| 17:58.41 | frotz47 | mostly dead |
| 17:58.44 | jcranmer | abrotman: Testing |
| 17:58.58 | abrotman | jcranmer: okay .. the .25 package works fine here |
| 17:59.26 | jcranmer | when does atheros chipsets get native kernel support as opposed to having to use ndiswrapper? |
| 17:59.41 | abrotman | !madwifi |
| 17:59.42 | dpkg | madwifi is a driver for wireless devices with an Atheros chipset. More information at http://madwifi.org/wiki/UserDocs/Distro/Debian. To install madwifi drivers built against Debian stock kernels, ask me about <madwifi-install>. No USB devices are supported. NOT for AR5007UG (aka AR2624/AR5524) chipsets, ask me about <zd1211rw> instead. http://madwifi.org/wiki/Support, #madwifi @ irc.freenode.net. AR5008 now supported in lenny. |
| 17:59.53 | abrotman | no ndiswrapper needed afaik |
| 18:00.00 | abrotman | there's also the ath5k |
| 18:00.11 | jcranmer | when I tried madwifi on .24, it didn't work, so I resorted to ndiswrapper |
| 18:00.39 | jcranmer | I've got AR242x, FWIW |
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| 18:01.26 | wols | jcranmer: pci or usb? |
| 18:01.39 | abrotman | it says the zd1211 is in the kernel |
| 18:01.43 | Ace2016 | how do i send an email to the mailing list to make a bug report, is there a wiki on that? |
| 18:01.45 | jcranmer | wols: pci |
| 18:01.53 | abrotman | !tell Ace2016 about reportbug |
| 18:02.03 | wols | jcranmer: is it a ar2624 as the nice factoid so clearly states? |
| 18:02.47 | Ace2016 | xorg.conf isn't generated properly, i searched and found similar ones and the replies state that xorg autodetects but it does not, the nvidia driver is not loaded, it tries to use vesa and fails |
| 18:03.18 | gravity | Ace2016: For nvidia, you're on your own. Xorg doesn't support binary-only drivers |
| 18:03.26 | gravity | Ace2016: You have to tell it to load the driver |
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| 18:04.05 | Ace2016 | that part of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is not there, the whole section on monitor and graphics have gone, the mouse emulation is also missing |
| 18:04.14 | gravity | Right |
| 18:04.30 | Ace2016 | so the user has to modify xorg.conf on their own now? |
| 18:04.35 | gravity | Yes |
| 18:05.06 | gravity | Ideally, the nvidia package maintainers would just ship the text file so it gets loaded automatically |
| 18:05.09 | gravity | But they haven't done it |
| 18:05.48 | jcranmer | wols: 0e:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications Inc. AR242x 802.11abg Wireless PCI Express Adapter (rev 01) |
| 18:05.59 | jcranmer | that's all lspci gets for me |
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| 18:06.49 | abrotman | try -nn |
| 18:06.58 | wols | jcranmer: it can get more, but: did you read the factoid more carefully? |
| 18:07.00 | Ace2016 | gravity: so everything is automatic with the option to overwride with xorg.conf? |
| 18:07.01 | enouf | yep |
| 18:07.10 | gravity | Ace2016: Yes |
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| 18:10.52 | Ace2016 | just wondering, but would all this auto config not slow everything down? if it was in a config then it could be started muchfaster |
| 18:11.40 | Ace2016 | actually there may be a bug here, i'll look into it |
| 18:11.44 | abrotman | yes, probe hardware or parse config |
| 18:11.45 | gravity | Ace2016: Not really. In practice, the X server already has to scan for this stuff at start anyway, so having it make a decision about the things it finds doesn't cost anything significant |
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| 18:12.12 | jcranmer | wols: it doesn't appear to be ar2624, so madwifi should support it |
| 18:12.52 | n3kl | I cannot remove a logical volume because apparantly its in use. How can I find out what is using it? Its not mounted. |
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| 18:14.01 | cr3rzemjest | n3kl, u can try lsof |
| 18:16.01 | wols | jcranmer: then I'd go to madwifi.org. sometimes a different version does help. another thing you really should try ath5k and the newest kernel you can find |
| 18:16.06 | n3kl | cr3rzemjest: yeah, nothing is open, strange. |
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| 18:16.35 | n3kl | If I try to remove or deactivate the lv, it just says "in use". |
| 18:16.36 | Ace2016 | you could always reboot, that stops everything |
| 18:17.03 | n3kl | I am trying to avoid a reboot |
| 18:17.09 | pickcoder | n3kl: what fs structure is on it |
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| 18:18.10 | n3kl | pickcoder: xfs |
| 18:18.29 | nkuttler | n3kl: lazy umount? |
| 18:18.55 | n3kl | I was in the process of converting to ext3, so in the same volume group I created another lv, rsynced from teh xfs to the ext3 and renamed them accortingly |
| 18:19.09 | pickcoder | n3kl: I meant directories |
| 18:19.10 | n3kl | nkuttler: if thats default, its possible, but I did not specify |
| 18:19.39 | nkuttler | n3kl: oh, misread your question |
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| 18:19.58 | Ace2016 | what gui based package manager do you guys use? |
| 18:20.07 | n3kl | none |
| 18:20.07 | abrotman | GUI ? |
| 18:20.10 | Ace2016 | i want a qt based one, keeping this install light and fast |
| 18:20.11 | abrotman | package manager? |
| 18:20.12 | abrotman | HAHAH |
| 18:20.18 | Ace2016 | for searching, like synaptic |
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| 18:20.46 | pickcoder | I find xterm to suffice |
| 18:21.36 | Ace2016 | is adept a kubuntu only app? |
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| 18:22.37 | Ace2016 | oh hey i could ask in #kubuntu |
| 18:22.49 | pickcoder | Ace2016: you can also use apt to search the repos |
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| 18:22.56 | abrotman | he doens't know how! |
| 18:23.00 | abrotman | !tell Ace2016 about search |
| 18:23.30 | Ace2016 | i did know about search but never used it |
| 18:23.39 | Ace2016 | the gui felt nicer |
| 18:23.43 | newsense | apt-cache search package |
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| 18:23.50 | xingu | sits back with a beer to enjoy the fruits of his labour |
| 18:23.51 | newsense | apt is nice |
| 18:24.31 | Ace2016 | and i hate how the console runs out of scroll up |
| 18:24.51 | dvs | Ace2016: That can be changed. |
| 18:25.09 | pickcoder | Ace2016: aptitude is faster to use |
| 18:25.10 | Ace2016 | i wish i could just push it to 256mb |
| 18:25.20 | xingu | 24h worth of very dirty house and electro house complete with 1080p footage from the rave it played at :) |
| 18:25.23 | newsense | | less |
| 18:25.45 | Ace2016 | newsense: but when you run lots of commands and you want to go back and see something? |
| 18:25.48 | xingu | bops about happily having defeated the twin daemons of free software and AV codecs |
| 18:26.11 | newsense | oh i get ya |
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| 18:26.54 | newsense | run command again and read output ?€ |
| 18:27.10 | xingu | what the.... |
| 18:27.21 | xingu | that's chris lowe doing his nut |
| 18:27.22 | Ace2016 | can't always do that |
| 18:27.33 | Ace2016 | chris lowe? |
| 18:27.35 | Ace2016 | who is that? |
| 18:27.54 | abrotman | !kikismite Ace2016 |
| 18:27.54 | dpkg | smites Ace2016 with ... oooh, shiny! |
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| 18:33.05 | enouf | Ace2016: xterms have tons of buffering, in konsole, it must be like 1M or something for each tab i have open |
| 18:33.24 | Ace2016 | but i run out of scroll somehow |
| 18:33.39 | enouf | Ace2016: for console, you need to alter the Kconfig option for console buffering, which requires a build ;-) |
| 18:33.44 | Ace2016 | 1M isn't much |
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| 18:34.06 | Ace2016 | its hard coded? |
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| 18:35.18 | Ace2016 | argh, adept was removed :( |
| 18:35.24 | enouf | Ace2016: i got like 90 pageups of 80 lines per each |
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| 18:35.47 | enouf | 7200 lines isn't enough scroll per tab? O_o |
| 18:35.55 | Form | how do I compile a kernel with the same options as the packaged version? |
| 18:36.00 | Form | I just need to enable one stupid flag |
| 18:36.02 | Ace2016 | not when your compiling |
| 18:36.12 | Ace2016 | make oldconfig |
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| 18:36.34 | enouf | gah, then use make menuconfig thereafter .. wtf? |
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| 18:37.02 | Form | ah oldconfig |
| 18:37.16 | enouf | make oldconfig is barely legible anyway |
| 18:37.33 | kommodore | then make-kpkg.... |
| 18:37.34 | Ace2016 | enouf: well what would you do? |
| 18:37.48 | xingu | gconfig |
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| 18:38.10 | xingu | text mode is so... 80's :) |
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| 18:38.57 | dvs | Form: cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) .config |
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| 18:40.00 | Ace2016 | dvs: that'd only work for the same kernel version right? |
| 18:40.16 | Form | so many choices |
| 18:40.17 | Form | heh |
| 18:40.31 | dvs | Ace2016: Well, you can use that as a starting point then use "make oldconfig" for all the new options. |
| 18:40.57 | Form | kommodore: thanks, almost forgot about kernel-package |
| 18:41.01 | Form | it's been a while |
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| 18:48.24 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good GUI LDAP browser applications ? |
| 18:49.50 | xingu | AV is so much more enjoyable when you've pulled it off the downlink yourself ;) ... entirely free from horrible horrible post processing/ compression, designed to fit the proverbial thickshake through a cheese straw |
| 18:49.53 | jcranmer | ah, it seems like atheros+madwifi+.24 is broken, according to various ubuntu forums |
| 18:49.59 | jcranmer | xerophyte: phpldapadmin? |
| 18:50.21 | xingu | don't get me wrong, it was still mpeg4 transport stream from the uplink, but they did have a whole ku band to themselves... :) |
| 18:51.13 | jhutchins | What is the command line tool to manage whether services start at boot? |
| 18:51.21 | jhutchins | (deb eq. of chkconfig?) |
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| 18:51.47 | gravity | jhutchins: I just rename the appropriate symlinks in rcX.d |
| 18:52.02 | p3rti | i have a problem with logwatch report software on debian >S |
| 18:52.03 | p3rti | :S |
| 18:52.11 | jhutchins | gravity: There isn't a management tool like chkconfig? |
| 18:52.22 | gravity | jhutchins: Maybe, I don't use it though |
| 18:52.34 | dvs | jhutchins: it's not invoke-rc.d it's the other one... gimme a sec |
| 18:52.36 | gravity | jhutchins: There's update-rc.d too |
| 18:52.40 | dvs | that's it! |
| 18:52.43 | gravity | heh |
| 18:52.44 | jhutchins | gravity: I need to find and disable whatever's firewalling the system, I can get out but it doesn't respond to ping or ssh.. |
| 18:52.45 | p3rti | it say "ERROR: Date::Manip unable to determine TimeZone" when i execute |
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| 18:52.50 | p3rti | what it could be? |
| 18:52.54 | jhutchins | Yes, update-rc.d, I remember seeing it. |
| 18:53.08 | gravity | jhutchins: Did you just eyeball the scripts in /etc/init.d to see what the culprit might be? |
| 18:53.09 | jhutchins | p3rti: Do you have a timezone set? |
| 18:53.20 | gravity | jhutchins: Once you figure out what it is, you can use update-rc.d to disable it |
| 18:53.28 | gravity | Or just mv the symlink |
| 18:53.40 | xerophyte | jcranmer: i need something work with gnome or xfce |
| 18:53.47 | jhutchins | Prob. Dunno if it installed shorwall by default, I don't see any documentation on selinux settings, although I heard deb was incorporating it. |
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| 18:53.59 | jhutchins | decends to the basement again... |
| 18:54.00 | gravity | Yeah, I don't know what's up with selinux right now |
| 18:54.02 | p3rti | jhutchins, you mean TZ='America/Bogota'; export TZ ? |
| 18:54.25 | jcranmer | well, it works if you have apache + <insert web browser here>, but I presume you're not looking for that... |
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| 18:56.03 | sha1 | is there a "whatprovides" apt command? |
| 18:56.05 | sha1 | to find what provides a certain file? |
| 18:56.14 | p3rti | jhutchins, ok i have it defined TZ.. and i get the same error |
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| 18:56.25 | p3rti | ERROR: Date::Manip unable to determine TimeZone. :S |
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| 18:58.20 | xingu | sha1: apt-file |
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| 18:59.23 | sha1 | xingu: thanks :) |
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| 19:01.06 | Radi | hi |
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| 19:03.07 | romano2k | good evening everyone! |
| 19:03.24 | romano2k | anyone able to help me configuring a PPTP VPN? |
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| 19:03.49 | romano2k | i configured pptpd and a few files |
| 19:04.00 | romano2k | but i get an error message when i try to connect from Windows |
| 19:04.04 | romano2k | and i don't know why |
| 19:04.15 | jcranmer | so far, so good on .25, now time to see if madwifi works |
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| 19:18.10 | soulchild | Hi all,... i want to mount devices as normal user but gnome says: "You are not privileged to mount this device" even though I'm in the plugdev group, any ideas ? |
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| 19:20.05 | _eggy_ | How can I install the java plugin for lenny? It's 32 bit, so how do I get a 32 bit iceweasel with the java plugin to run? |
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| 19:24.07 | dvs | _eggy_: I think it comes with the sun-java5 packages. |
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| 19:25.24 | abrotman | sun-java6-jre |
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| 19:27.26 | _eggy_ | Well I have sun-java6-jdk and sun-java5-jdk, but the plugin is not available for 64 bit platforms, on 32 bit it's called 'sun-java6-plugin', but dpkg won't install the i386 on amd64 of course |
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| 19:27.58 | _eggy_ | ('find /usr/lib/ -iname "libjavaplugin*"' has no results) |
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| 19:28.11 | sladi | _eggy_: there is the gjc plugin |
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| 19:29.25 | _eggy_ | Yes I know, I shall try it again, but it usually sucks ass. Last time I used it most web applications were not working correctly with gcj |
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| 19:30.26 | _eggy_ | I hate java, with every muscle in my tired body. |
| 19:30.40 | dvs | Then why use it? ;-) |
| 19:30.46 | jcranmer | success, no ndiswrapper! |
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| 19:31.45 | _eggy_ | I need it, I need to transfer money from a bank account, and you need java for that |
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| 19:32.03 | _eggy_ | Or I have to sent a paper to them manually, but geez, that would be my last resort |
| 19:32.15 | dvs | stays away from the fraudster. ;-) |
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| 19:32.54 | jcranmer | so madwifi was only problematic on .24 kernel |
| 19:33.47 | jcranmer | now, time to see if pci is going to indulge me now |
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| 19:34.15 | _eggy_ | I'm going to have a rant in #java :) |
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| 19:34.57 | dvs | _eggy_: They'll send you back here. |
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| 19:36.29 | _eggy_ | dvs: You have experience? :p |
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| 19:37.05 | dvs | _eggy_: Nope, but they probably don't want to hear it and send you somewhere else. |
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| 19:37.56 | thinkgnu_ | hi everybody |
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| 19:38.22 | thinkgnu_ | anyone knows how can i make a man page with help2man program ????????????? |
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| 19:40.01 | thinkgnu_ | stew: do you know how can i make a man page with help2man ? |
| 19:40.37 | abrotman | thinkgnu_: don't single people out .. wait for an answer |
| 19:40.55 | thinkgnu_ | ok! |
| 19:41.04 | gravity | I'd imagine the help2man manpage will tell you |
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| 19:41.28 | evilsporkman1 | what is the program that reportbug runs that shows "System information:" |
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| 19:41.59 | _eggy_ | Hmm they said debian isn't a 'decent OS' |
| 19:42.11 | abrotman | huh? who? |
| 19:42.12 | thinkgnu_ | the problem is that a got a error that say help2man: no valid information found in |
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| 19:42.17 | abrotman | oh .. nevermind |
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| 19:42.19 | _eggy_ | abrotman: #java |
| 19:42.36 | gravity | heh |
| 19:42.39 | dvs | heh |
| 19:42.43 | abrotman | did you install sun-java6-jre or sun-java6-plugin ? |
| 19:42.44 | dvs | And Solaris is? |
| 19:43.06 | Nyle | hi guys |
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| 19:43.14 | dvs | stoned! |
| 19:43.17 | Nyle | gravity, dvs! |
| 19:43.19 | Nyle | hi |
| 19:43.20 | _eggy_ | abrotman: the sun-java6-plugin is not available on amd64, and yes I have even the jdk :) |
| 19:43.23 | dvs | howdy |
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| 19:43.33 | Nyle | how are you folks this fine sunday evening |
| 19:43.45 | dvs | giddy |
| 19:43.45 | evilsporkman1 | Nyle: it's morning |
| 19:43.52 | Nyle | yes, yes it is |
| 19:44.10 | Nyle | 99% [20 Packages rred 24121344] 18.3kB/s 0s |
| 19:44.15 | Nyle | what is 'rred' |
| 19:44.16 | Nyle | ? |
| 19:44.29 | dvs | read? |
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| 19:44.44 | Nyle | 669 upgraded, 46 newly installed, 0 to remove and 2 not upgraded. |
| 19:44.44 | Nyle | Need to get 517MB of archives. |
| 19:44.47 | Nyle | heh good freaking lord |
| 19:44.57 | dvs | chump change. |
| 19:44.58 | Nyle | this sunday was my sid box upgrade gay |
| 19:45.06 | Nyle | I used to do it daily |
| 19:45.10 | Nyle | this is just 1 weeks worth of packagtes |
| 19:45.12 | Nyle | heh |
| 19:45.21 | Nyle | s/gay/day |
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| 19:45.31 | Nyle | dvs, realy? |
| 19:45.34 | gravity | I think some pretty heavy hitters have been updated this week. KDE and tex, iirc |
| 19:45.41 | gravity | And probably OO.o |
| 19:45.57 | Nyle | let mesee |
| 19:45.58 | Nyle | yup |
| 19:45.59 | Nyle | you are correct gravity |
| 19:46.06 | dvs | Nyle: doesn't sound too big for my internet connection (5Mbps) |
| 19:46.11 | Nyle | thats it |
| 19:46.13 | Nyle | just 5? |
| 19:46.15 | Nyle | ;) |
| 19:46.27 | dvs | Nyle: good enough for me. |
| 19:46.29 | Nyle | has a solid 10Mbps line down, solid 1.0 up |
| 19:46.30 | evilsporkman1 | Nyle: you should meet my friends Mr. Dash, Mr. Comma, Mr. Semicolon, and Mr. Period. They're a lot cooler at parties than Mr. Newline |
| 19:46.39 | Nyle | no |
| 19:46.40 | Nyle | they |
| 19:46.41 | Nyle | are |
| 19:46.41 | Nyle | not |
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| 19:46.46 | dvs | ha! |
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| 19:46.49 | Nyle | heh |
| 19:46.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:47.28 | flokuehn | hi. iam facing strange behaviour of apt-get autoremove after dist-upgrade. if i want to make an apt-get autoremove, there will be about 350 packets removed from my system. does anybody have an idea what the problem can be ? |
| 19:47.30 | Nyle | evilsporkman1, thanks, I'll try to not hit enter as often. |
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| 19:47.59 | Nyle | flokuehn, do not use apt-get |
| 19:48.03 | Nyle | flokuehn, instead start using aptitude |
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| 19:48.35 | Nyle | and also, it could be because you mixed apt-get and/or aptitude together perhaps? When both manage packages, they break each other kinda |
| 19:48.50 | siyb_ | bullsh*t |
| 19:48.51 | siyb_ | ... |
| 19:48.56 | Nyle | you can say bullshit |
| 19:48.56 | evilsporkman1 | yeah this sounds manifestly unlikely |
| 19:49.07 | siyb_ | well i choose not to |
| 19:49.07 | Nyle | really? |
| 19:49.17 | flokuehn | Nyle: ok. i will give it a chance. but i never used aptitude so i dont think they broke each other. |
| 19:49.17 | Nyle | because I've used both side by side |
| 19:49.20 | siyb_ | man do you actually know what you are talking about |
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| 19:49.40 | Nyle | and uhmm. if you use apt-get and aptitude together they try to sometimes remove each other's dependencies thingies |
| 19:49.53 | Maulkin | What? |
| 19:49.55 | intr80_ | doesn't aptitude just use apt-get in the background? |
| 19:49.58 | Nyle | no |
| 19:50.00 | Nyle | it does not |
| 19:50.11 | siyb_ | it used dpkg |
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| 19:50.18 | siyb_ | s/used/uses |
| 19:50.24 | Nyle | Maulkin, like for instance, if I use apt-get install kde, and then I do aptitude remove kdemultimedia |
| 19:50.30 | Nyle | aptitude will try to fuly remove kde |
| 19:50.32 | intr80_ | sorry, yea, and apt-get uses dpkg |
| 19:50.40 | Nyle | I nkow this for a fact, because I tested it |
| 19:51.12 | siyb_ | Nyle: that's because kde is a metapackage |
| 19:51.12 | siyb_ | -.- |
| 19:51.24 | Nyle | or if you do aptitude install kde, and then apt-get remove kdemultimedia for example it will work fine, but then you try to use aptitude again and it will want to still remove all of kde |
| 19:51.53 | flokuehn | Nyle: so you think that my apt-get is broken ? |
| 19:51.55 | Nyle | siyb_, note: I was stating the noted behaviour, not why or how it happens since I didn't know. thanks for tellingme, also, I wasn't bullshitting. |
| 19:51.59 | Nyle | flokuehn, no |
| 19:52.00 | Maulkin | That really doesn't have anything to do with the interaction of apt-get/aptitude |
| 19:52.11 | Nyle | Maulkin, why not? |
| 19:52.15 | flokuehn | n |
| 19:52.17 | Maulkin | Nyle: How does it? |
| 19:52.20 | Nyle | how does it no? |
| 19:52.23 | Nyle | not? |
| 19:52.27 | flokuehn | Nyle: could you give me a hint what to do ? |
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| 19:52.33 | siyb_ | lol this conversation is worth logging :> |
| 19:52.37 | Nyle | to my understanding, kde is a metapackage,, and depends on many others |
| 19:52.40 | Maulkin | Oh god... |
| 19:52.50 | Nyle | and the way apt-get handles dependencies and aptitude handles them is slightly different |
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| 19:52.54 | Nyle | do you disagree? |
| 19:52.58 | Maulkin | Yes. |
| 19:53.05 | siyb_ | flokuehn: you are probably better of not listening to Nyle |
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| 19:53.17 | Nyle | Maulkin, could you please tell me how im wrong? |
| 19:53.32 | Maulkin | Nyle: they use dpkg for dependancy handling |
| 19:53.34 | siyb_ | on the other hand i am not sure what is wrong with apt-get autoremove in your case |
| 19:53.52 | Nyle | Maulkin, so why are people being suggestd to use aptitude instead of apt-get? |
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| 19:54.07 | siyb_ | aptitude uses a seperat database |
| 19:54.24 | siyb_ | iirc |
| 19:54.31 | Nyle | that still doesn't answer my questions |
| 19:54.37 | Maulkin | Nyle: due to the way that aptitude makes an attempt to resolve *missing* dependancies. |
| 19:54.43 | Nyle | you guys are just sitting there arrogantly trying to make fun of me |
| 19:54.48 | Nyle | and gonna log the conv. |
| 19:54.54 | Nyle | but not tell me whats goingoin |
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| 19:55.01 | Nyle | fantastic |
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| 19:55.04 | Nyle | this is what debian is reduced to |
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| 19:55.08 | Nyle | sighs. |
| 19:55.09 | Maulkin | Nyle: feel free to leave |
| 19:55.21 | Maulkin | siyb_: AIUI, they both use /var/lib/apt/* |
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| 19:55.47 | dvs | What happened? I was on the phone. |
| 19:55.53 | streuner__ | Maulkin: that's NOT the way we treat people here |
| 19:55.54 | Nyle | Maulkin, my leaving will not solve the problems |
| 19:55.54 | streuner__ | s/treat/threat/ |
| 19:55.58 | Nyle | Maulkin, you are an op and as such are representing debian in a way |
| 19:56.09 | Nyle | Maulkin, you should be more careful as to how YOU set an exmaple for others |
| 19:56.15 | streuner__ | sure, like 1000 other DD's |
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| 19:56.21 | Nyle | exactly |
| 19:56.26 | abrotman | it solves the problem for you |
| 19:56.26 | Nyle | YOU are the example for all of us |
| 19:56.27 | Nyle | you guys |
| 19:56.38 | Nyle | abrotman, nobody is talking to you |
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| 19:57.01 | abrotman | wait .. you're complaining about his example.. and you're in here talking about your habits.. and cursing up a storm |
| 19:57.23 | siyb_ | ack |
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| 19:57.38 | streuner__ | Nyle: listen just one time to abrotman |
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| 19:58.06 | Nyle | what? |
| 19:58.19 | Nyle | I'm a debian developer? |
| 19:58.24 | Nyle | I manage the channel? |
| 19:58.29 | Nyle | what am I suppsoed to listen to? |
| 19:58.56 | streuner__ | about his advice? |
| 19:59.08 | Nyle | he never gave any advice |
| 19:59.09 | streuner__ | stop make a big problem out of it |
| 19:59.32 | Nyle | he just said the problem gets solved for me, but debian users are being abused in here and mistreated by some of the best people here |
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| 19:59.41 | Nyle | which bothers me becasue it should not be like that |
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| 19:59.54 | Nyle | my being offtoipc has nothing to do with people abusing debina users i here who are looking for help |
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| 19:59.59 | abrotman | the abusers include you |
| 20:00.08 | Nyle | they are ridiculed, made fun of, then ignored |
| 20:00.10 | abrotman | going by your logic |
| 20:00.21 | Nyle | whatever, continue... |
| 20:00.27 | siyb_ | kindergarden? |
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| 20:01.01 | Nyle | obviously this isn't the case all the time, but its been happening more and mroe frequently |
| 20:01.14 | Nyle | I am concerned for the image of debian |
| 20:01.18 | Nyle | not about myself. |
| 20:01.19 | Nyle | thanks. |
| 20:01.50 | Nyle | understand I mean no mal intent, and my intentions are strictly honorable, i don't want to start fights or arguments. I just wanted to bring this to the public's attention in here. |
| 20:01.56 | gravity | !aptitude |
| 20:01.57 | dpkg | i guess aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 20:01.57 | Nyle | thats all, feel free to ban me remove, whatever. |
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| 20:02.01 | gravity | !why aptitude |
| 20:02.01 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 20:02.09 | gravity | sighs |
| 20:02.22 | gravity | Or... not |
| 20:02.33 | Maulkin | Nyle: please take this up elsewhere, and read the relevent list archives. This has been discussed to death already. |
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| 20:03.05 | dvs | Maulkin: and the Cliff notes version is....? |
| 20:03.39 | zap | Anybody can tell me which tool checks the Build-Depends-Indep: keyword in control file? For some reason I don't have a package installed, and it's listed in build-deps but dpkg-buildpackage does not complain, and of course runs into troubles |
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| 20:03.47 | streuner__ | Nyle: you didn't listen to abrotman and others, that's your problem :-) |
| 20:04.02 | siyb_ | Maulkin: that was the thing i was reffering to when i said that aptitude uses a different "database":it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. |
| 20:04.19 | streuner__ | Nyle: i told you, shut up, what are you doing? Make a problem out of it..., and the result? a ban |
| 20:05.05 | Maulkin | siyb_: Ahh, I see :) |
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| 20:05.22 | siyb_ | Maulkin: you confused me there, i was doubting my sources :D |
| 20:05.37 | streuner__ | Nyle: get older and you have to learn, sometimes it is that way... |
| 20:05.44 | abrotman | streuner__: drop it |
| 20:05.44 | Maulkin | siyb_: *that* database, I was assuming you meant the dpkg one |
| 20:05.48 | jelly-home | siyb_: huh, I'd expected the newly fixed apt used the same db to track automatically installed packages as aptitude? |
| 20:06.11 | streuner__ | abrotman: kiss my ass! |
| 20:06.52 | siyb_ | jelly-home: well i don't know about that, but it would be the logical thing to pick up for sure |
| 20:07.16 | neonlightning | !why not aptitude |
| 20:07.17 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 20:07.30 | jelly-home | !why aptitude |
| 20:07.31 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 20:09.01 | Crttys | I dont mean to pollute the debian user base or anything, but I'm too stupid to send mail. I have read the debian-reference but still cant get it working. Can someone help me? |
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| 20:10.01 | romano2k | anybody could help about configuring a VPN with PPTP under Debian, to be joined by Windows |
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| 20:10.50 | flokuehn | ok. for everybody who is interested in. i did the apt-get autoremove and after that i had to install kde again. i went relly fast and all customizations i had done to kde are still there. now i dont face the problem with apt-get autoremove anymore. what could have been the problem ? |
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| 20:12.44 | flokuehn | siyb_: do you have an idea what i can look for to find the problem ? |
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| 20:13.36 | streuner | Maulkin: a +q exist usually 10 minutes... |
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| 20:14.41 | siyb_ | flokuehn: well i have no clue, i suggest you wait around a little while. have you tried searching the bugtracker yet? |
| 20:15.16 | romano2k | what do i need so that pptpd can work? |
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| 20:16.35 | avu | romano2k, a quick google shows many HOWTO style guides on getting this to work in various scenarios |
| 20:16.52 | avu | romano2k, or did you already try following those and have a specific problem? |
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| 20:17.04 | romano2k | avu: already tried with a few of them in french |
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| 20:17.54 | avu | romano2k, http://www.ducea.com/2008/06/19/setting-up-a-pptp-vpn-server-on-debian-etch/ for example looks relativly decent and simple |
| 20:19.16 | DexterF | upgrading to Lenny dpkg stopped with "too many errors". what now? |
| 20:19.23 | flokuehn | siyb_: no. not until now. iam facing a new problem. my surround sound isnt working properly anymore. its weird. on rear speaker an the center speaker are working. the rest dows not work. |
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| 20:19.30 | flokuehn | this is really werid |
| 20:19.31 | flokuehn | weird |
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| 20:23.46 | hellues | !paste |
| 20:23.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 20:26.01 | streuner | Maulkin: why can't you remove the ban? |
| 20:26.47 | Maulkin | I *can* |
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| 20:28.35 | DexterF | ahem. about the dpkg thingy. |
| 20:31.04 | BornToBePuli | jó éjszakát |
| 20:31.11 | BornToBePuli | sorry |
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| 20:31.16 | BornToBePuli | wrong channel |
| 20:31.22 | BornToBePuli | =) |
| 20:31.25 | streuner | Maulkin: so whats the problem? |
| 20:31.26 | pablo | hi, in oder to build a .deb which pachages do i need? |
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| 20:31.48 | Maulkin | streuner: was waiting for my script to do so |
| 20:31.53 | streuner | Maulkin: thanks |
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| 20:32.28 | Nyle | Maulkin, where can I discuss what I need to discuss? |
| 20:32.36 | Nyle | Maulkin, what is the proper channel or venu? |
| 20:32.51 | Nyle | please advise. |
| 20:33.15 | PiousMinion | Do any of the lenny installers have the 2.6.25 kernel? 2.6.24 has a bug that conflicts with my optical drive. |
| 20:33.53 | rsk | does the 2.6.26 kernel work with the nvidia binary blob driver? |
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| 20:34.21 | abrotman | rsk: you'd probably have to ask #nvidia |
| 20:34.24 | streuner | PiousMinion: there is etchnhalf or kmuto (etch/stable) |
| 20:34.47 | streuner | !listvals etchnhalf |
| 20:34.49 | abrotman | rsk: you compiled your own kernel (no .26 in debian) |
| 20:34.49 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'etchnhalf' by value (6): iwlwifi etch ;; ipw3945 ;; etchandahalf ;; kmuto ;; etch+half ;; etchnahalf. |
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| 20:35.06 | PiousMinion | streuner: I have no clue what that is. heh |
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| 20:35.34 | streuner | PiousMinion: debian installer for etch/stable |
| 20:36.01 | streuner | you could upgrade afterwards to lenny later... |
| 20:36.05 | jhutchins_lt | How do I tell which release of debian I'm running? |
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| 20:36.12 | streuner | jhutchins: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:36.24 | Nyle | jhutchins_lt, apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 20:36.27 | PiousMinion | streuner: Someone reccomended that before, but in experience upgradeing from etch to lenny even on a very basic(no X) install causes other problems. |
| 20:36.29 | streuner | or just look in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:36.48 | Nyle | why is /etc/debian_version useless? |
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| 20:37.11 | streuner | PiousMinion: just install very few packages and upgrade, install then the rest... |
| 20:37.12 | Nyle | if etch i think it says etch 4.0, and when testing or sid, it just says testing/unstable |
| 20:37.21 | Nyle | instead of actually telling which one it is, testing or unstable |
| 20:37.24 | Nyle | what gives? |
| 20:37.31 | jhutchins_lt | Nyle: Didn't know what to look for. |
| 20:37.34 | gravity | Nyle: It's just a file put in a place by a package. A setup can be mixed |
| 20:37.35 | streuner | Nyle: in lenny/testing and sid/unstable the same answers... |
| 20:37.45 | jhutchins_lt | just says 4.0, I guess it's just experience that tells you that's etch. |
| 20:37.49 | Nyle | lenny/sid |
| 20:37.49 | gravity | Nyle: It also doesn't tell you whether you're using experimental, unofficial packages, etc |
| 20:37.54 | Nyle | yeh |
| 20:37.56 | Nyle | why not |
| 20:38.06 | gravity | It just doesn't |
| 20:38.11 | Nyle | if the file is called debian_version shouldn't it tell you exactly what version of debian you're runing |
| 20:38.15 | Nyle | otherswise what is the use of this file? |
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| 20:38.17 | gravity | Feel free to hack apt to do something about it |
| 20:38.27 | Nyle | oh its an apt thing |
| 20:38.29 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:38.33 | gravity | Nyle: It's a rough way to tell, but it's a more complicated question |
| 20:38.37 | Nyle | gravity, where wouldI look? the source of apt-get? |
| 20:38.41 | Nyle | or exactly where |
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| 20:38.51 | Nyle | I mean I wouldn't midn making a patch to send it |
| 20:38.52 | gravity | Nyle: No, you'd have to just write the full code. As it is, it's just a text file shipped by a package |
| 20:38.56 | Nyle | I think it should be a useful flie |
| 20:39.02 | Nyle | gravity, ahh i see |
| 20:39.05 | PiousMinion | streuner: right, even installing only the base system I have problems after an upgrade to lenny. one problem is network devices are reordered and another is 2 packages that refuse to upgrade. |
| 20:39.17 | gravity | Nyle: You'd have to write apt to traverse the package list and dynamically write the file depending on what it finds |
| 20:39.22 | Nyle | gravity, i see |
| 20:39.42 | streuner | PiousMinion: 2 packages, which? |
| 20:40.06 | pablo | hi, in oder to build a .deb which pachages do i need? |
| 20:40.13 | streuner | PiousMinion: are you able to remove these too? |
| 20:40.20 | peterS | pablo: build-essential |
| 20:40.22 | Nyle | streuner, yes I know, but cat /etc/debian_version states lenny/sid instead of sid, or lenny, the one you are actually using but i know now i guess |
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| 20:40.42 | PiousMinion | streuner: I'd have to boot the comp in question to be sure, but one of them is something like "hotkey-setup". dist-upgrade refuses to upgrade it. |
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| 20:40.55 | streuner | apis:/# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:40.55 | streuner | lenny/sid |
| 20:41.02 | Nyle | but you're not using both |
| 20:41.03 | pablo | peterS: ok |
| 20:41.06 | Nyle | are you!?" :) |
| 20:41.17 | Nyle | you're using either lenny or either sid |
| 20:41.18 | streuner | ii libc6 2.7-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:41.21 | Nyle | but not both on the same computer |
| 20:41.32 | streuner | using sid |
| 20:41.35 | jetscreamer | a subgenius: one who downloads warez'd online banking software and uses it |
| 20:41.48 | Crttys | I have a weird problem. All mail sent to root, including by root to hisself, ends up in the account of one of my normal users. What could be wrong? |
| 20:41.48 | Nyle | jetscreamer, phone |
| 20:41.49 | Eulex | well, actually. I'm using some components from sid. but I'm running lenny. |
| 20:41.53 | PiousMinion | Nyle: well, after packages are I id for about 10 days they are candidates to go into lenny and usuallly do so. There isn't a whole lot of difference. |
| 20:42.02 | PiousMinion | in sid* |
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| 20:42.05 | Nyle | still |
| 20:42.19 | Nyle | wait a minute |
| 20:42.24 | PiousMinion | another point is that no one uses sid. :P |
| 20:42.26 | Nyle | oh nm that wouldn't work |
| 20:42.27 | peterS | PiousMinion: yes and no - lenny is already partially frozen, and will be fully frozen in about a week. so then they will begin to diverge significantly |
| 20:42.35 | Nyle | peterS, omg! |
| 20:42.40 | PiousMinion | nice |
| 20:42.40 | Nyle | its peterS |
| 20:42.45 | jetscreamer | you have some guy getting root's mail, there is a setting for that iirc (don't remember where it is but i've seen it) |
| 20:42.46 | Nyle | with great news too! |
| 20:43.02 | peterS | yeah, base system, base toolchain, and all library packages are now frozen |
| 20:43.04 | Nyle | peterS, cool man, whats the latest rc bug count? |
| 20:43.04 | jetscreamer | yeah i don't use sid... |
| 20:43.09 | Nyle | nice nice |
| 20:43.09 | jetscreamer | i use potato |
| 20:43.10 | peterS | Nyle: like 260 :| |
| 20:43.18 | Nyle | hey thats not bad bro |
| 20:43.22 | Nyle | not bad at al |
| 20:43.24 | PiousMinion | lol @ potato |
| 20:43.27 | peterS | as the release managers say, it is 260 too many |
| 20:43.33 | Nyle | heh thats right |
| 20:43.40 | Nyle | hey peter man |
| 20:43.42 | Nyle | msg |
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| 20:43.56 | jetscreamer | just toss gnome and kde and the bug count diminishs greatly... |
| 20:44.01 | jetscreamer | es |
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| 20:44.13 | PiousMinion | toss KDE anyway. :P |
| 20:44.21 | PiousMinion | DE war! lol |
| 20:44.31 | cloakable | lol |
| 20:44.35 | streuner | dpkg, start a WM war |
| 20:44.36 | dpkg | enlightenment bites! |
| 20:44.50 | jcranmer | just uses fluxbox |
| 20:44.57 | PiousMinion | dpkg: I think everyone can agree on that. |
| 20:44.58 | dpkg | PiousMinion: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:45.08 | streuner | dpkg, what are you? |
| 20:45.08 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 20:45.09 | PiousMinion | heh |
| 20:45.09 | jcranmer | dpkg: smaller |
| 20:45.10 | dpkg | jcranmer: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:45.17 | jetscreamer | wtf??? |
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| 20:45.29 | jetscreamer | !blootbot |
| 20:45.29 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 20:45.30 | jcranmer | dpkg: the number of developers at KDE |
| 20:45.30 | dpkg | jcranmer: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 20:45.34 | PiousMinion | dpkg, do you love debian? |
| 20:45.35 | dpkg | refuses to do you love debian |
| 20:45.43 | jcranmer | er, dpkg sucks at 20 questions |
| 20:46.08 | jcranmer | dpkg: smaller, I just said that |
| 20:46.08 | dpkg | i don't know, jcranmer |
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| 20:46.23 | jcranmer | is satisfied with that answer |
| 20:46.30 | Nyle | well |
| 20:46.32 | Nyle | the bot doesn't know |
| 20:46.35 | Nyle | what more do you want? |
| 20:46.41 | jcranmer | precisely |
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| 20:46.53 | jcranmer | dpkg: ubuntu? |
| 20:46.53 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:47.03 | Nyle | !dpkbbot |
| 20:47.08 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 20:47.08 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
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| 20:47.20 | Nyle | use /msg dpkg <keyword> for personal use |
| 20:47.22 | Nyle | also there is this |
| 20:47.23 | jcranmer | hmm, I'd have thought that it would complain about ubuntu |
| 20:47.26 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 20:47.26 | jcranmer | oh well |
| 20:47.26 | dpkg | i heard dpkg.web.search is A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 20:47.43 | Nyle | if you find irc irritating to query the factoid db, use the web frontend |
| 20:47.52 | romano2k | avu: followed the how-to you gave me |
| 20:48.03 | romano2k | my client gives the error "619" under Windows |
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| 20:48.53 | Nyle | brb |
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| 20:49.24 | Nyle | hey dudes |
| 20:49.32 | Nyle | is this a debian related thing or irssi related thing |
| 20:49.34 | romano2k | and the error message associated gives no revelant information |
| 20:49.56 | avu | romano2k, what do the server logs say? |
| 20:50.02 | Nyle | I used a new irssi theme, and I had to actually manually start it like with screen -U instead of just screen irssi (as the theme had some characters that wouldn't display) |
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| 20:50.15 | Nyle | why am I starting screen with unicode char support, shouldn't debian already take care of it? |
| 20:50.25 | romano2k | avu : where should i check ? |
| 20:50.28 | jcranmer | I don't know, I haven't started a new screen in ages |
| 20:50.37 | Nyle | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 20:50.41 | Nyle | its already set |
| 20:50.43 | Nyle | to utf |
| 20:50.47 | jcranmer | Nyle: irssi, I'm willing to bet |
| 20:50.53 | Nyle | me too I guess |
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| 20:51.13 | avu | romano2k, either pptpd writes its own logfiel somewhere under /var/log or it uses syslog, which most likely means the messages turn up in /var/log/syslog |
| 20:51.18 | Nyle | alright thanks budd |
| 20:51.32 | jcranmer | /set term_charset utf-8 ? |
| 20:51.38 | Nyle | hmm |
| 20:51.42 | trinux | does somebody know why in lenny there is only 2.6.25-2-486 but no K7. and there is no 2.6.24 either. only 2.6.22-3 K7? |
| 20:51.43 | Nyle | i didn't know about that otion |
| 20:51.46 | Nyle | let me see what it says |
| 20:51.58 | Nyle | 04:49 [lookandfeel] |
| 20:51.58 | Nyle | 04:49 term_charset = utf-8 |
| 20:52.08 | jcranmer | worth a short |
| 20:52.17 | jcranmer | s/rt$/t/ |
| 20:52.23 | avu | trinux, the k7 images have been droped |
| 20:52.29 | avu | trinux, use 686 |
| 20:52.46 | trinux | avu: was there a reason given that i could lookup somewhere? |
| 20:52.54 | Tramp | !tell trinux about k7 dropped |
| 20:52.58 | abrotman | trinux: not useful |
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| 20:53.08 | trinux | thanks :) |
| 20:54.11 | trinux | next problem is the framebufffer support was obviously dropped also. at least i cant boot with "vga=791" anymore. is that also a known thing? |
| 20:54.12 | romano2k | avu: http://pastebin.com/d74ba5bc3 |
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| 20:54.43 | PiousMinion | Why does the partitioner in the debian installer give the option to set the boot flag on an encrypted volume? lol |
| 20:54.50 | avu | romano2k, well, the error seems pretty clear? |
| 20:55.02 | avu | romano2k, (lines 3 and 4) |
| 20:55.02 | romano2k | avu: about the password? |
| 20:55.06 | avu | yes |
| 20:55.35 | romano2k | yeah but there ARE passwords in the /etc/ppp/chap-secrets file |
| 20:55.50 | avu | romano2k, well but the client does not seem to send a right one? |
| 20:56.51 | romano2k | hmm i configured it myself, i'm sure it's okay |
| 20:57.01 | avu | well then I have no idea, sorry |
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| 20:57.24 | romano2k | at least i'm sure i typed the good one |
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| 20:58.12 | flokuehn | Nyle: i got the problem i recently had. i wanted to remove konqueror-nsplugins and this forced my system to remove about 350 other packages. |
| 20:58.34 | Nyle | flokuehn, same thing I experience when I mix aptitude and apt-get with kde |
| 20:58.35 | flokuehn | Nyle: you remember what iam talking about ? |
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| 20:58.38 | Nyle | flokuehn, yes |
| 20:59.05 | Nyle | flokuehn, which is exactly what I was talking about earlier. However, what was the cuase of your problem? and how were you able to remedy tht? |
| 20:59.12 | Nyle | flokuehn, if you dont' mind sharing. |
| 20:59.25 | flokuehn | Nyle: i dont mind. |
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| 21:00.05 | flokuehn | it fell to me that there is an process which uses much of my cpu so i had a look at htop and saw it is nspluginviewer. |
| 21:00.08 | romano2k | i'm lost :/ |
| 21:00.12 | romano2k | don't know what to do |
| 21:00.21 | romano2k | any idea about a pptpd vpn? anyone? |
| 21:00.32 | abrotman | flokuehn: FWIW .. it was probably flash |
| 21:00.56 | flokuehn | so i looked in whcihc package it is included an found out it is in konqueror-nsplugins and so i wanted to remove this package |
| 21:01.13 | flokuehn | abrotman: yes i guess it was flash too. |
| 21:01.29 | jcranmer | any good acpi utilities that work well with fluxbox? |
| 21:01.41 | abrotman | to do what with acpi? |
| 21:01.46 | jcranmer | battery status |
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| 21:02.00 | flokuehn | Nyle: is this the information you wanted? |
| 21:02.09 | Nyle | flokuehn, i see. So which package manager do you normally use? And how did you try to remove that particular package? |
| 21:02.28 | ZitZ | hey guys, when i use the fglrx driver for my ati x1650 pro, i get a unreponsive blank black screen, x crash |
| 21:02.37 | romano2k | i have a redondant message in my syslog: http://pastebin.com/d4727e864 |
| 21:02.40 | flokuehn | iam using apt-get and i tried it via apt-get remove package name as i do usually |
| 21:03.37 | flokuehn | Nyle: but i never tried aptitude in mix with apt-get so i dont think this is problem, isnt it? |
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| 21:04.49 | Nyle | no I wouldn't think so either |
| 21:04.56 | Nyle | I was merely relating my experience |
| 21:05.11 | Nyle | flokuehn, I'm glad you got it worked out |
| 21:05.41 | romano2k | avu: could it be "mppe" that is not loading? no, it would tell me? |
| 21:05.47 | Nyle | ZitZ, pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 21:07.16 | ZitZ | Nyle, go to this thread, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=28864 |
| 21:07.47 | flokuehn | Nyle: heh. me too. |
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| 21:08.31 | ZitZ | look, at the first post's log, the other posts were just me trying different things, |
| 21:08.33 | Crttys | I have a weird problem. All mail sent to root, including by root to hisself, ends up in the account of one of my normal users. What could be wrong? |
| 21:11.31 | intr80_ | Crttys : this is normal; do you have postfix set up? |
| 21:11.41 | abrotman | ZitZ: it's telling you that it doesn't recognize your card |
| 21:11.51 | abrotman | ZitZ: where'd you get the driver? |
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| 21:12.13 | intr80_ | Crttys : see /etc/aliases |
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| 21:14.08 | romano2k | i can't find what's wrong with my pptpd configuration, any help? |
| 21:14.15 | ZitZ | um, that's from ati's website, i built the debian package and installed it |
| 21:15.08 | jcranmer | which would you recommend more for an apt source: http or ftp? |
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| 21:15.33 | Crttys | intr80_: what does it mean by ftp:root and root:Cryttys ? |
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| 21:17.02 | abrotman | gimme five! |
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| 21:18.19 | Crttys | intr80_: So, will it be ok for me to comment out root: Crttys ? |
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| 21:19.51 | ZitZ | http://pastebin.com/m1ff81f3b, is a more recent Xorg.log with all the same settings and setup, same drivers, i just made it today |
| 21:20.12 | ZitZ | it has a few different lines |
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| 21:25.09 | CrapoVert | How can I repair faulty packages in dpkg? |
| 21:25.13 | CrapoVert | !dpkg |
| 21:25.14 | dpkg | it has been said that dpkg is the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 21:25.20 | abrotman | CrapoVert: show us the error |
| 21:25.21 | abrotman | !Paste |
| 21:25.22 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 21:26.24 | CrapoVert | Okay. |
| 21:26.29 | CrapoVert | That's my error: |
| 21:26.29 | CrapoVert | http://pastebin.com/mc91687f |
| 21:26.36 | romano2k | when i "modprobe ppp-compress-18" |
| 21:26.47 | romano2k | "ppp-compress-18" should appear in lsmod, right? |
| 21:27.04 | CrapoVert | I dunno but there is something wrong with sun-java5-bin |
| 21:27.05 | CrapoVert | :( |
| 21:29.06 | abrotman | CrapoVert: i dont' speak whatever that is :) |
| 21:29.19 | abrotman | looks for a german to translate |
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| 21:29.35 | balasyum | hi |
| 21:29.41 | Nyle | after unpakcing |
| 21:29.48 | Nyle | it seems like a setting up package... blah blah |
| 21:29.50 | balasyum | what's the easiest way of creating a persistent debian usb stick install? |
| 21:29.53 | abrotman | yeah .. it's dying |
| 21:29.55 | Nyle | and then giving an error |
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| 21:30.17 | abrotman | it's not giving the error |
| 21:30.23 | rto | CrapoVert: You might want to take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/sun-java5-bin.postinst to try to pin-point where it goes wrong |
| 21:30.44 | Nyle | well true, not .the. error, but it errors out |
| 21:30.48 | abrotman | CrapoVert: can you put a 'set -x' after the shebang in hte /var/lib/dpkg/info/sun-java5-bin.postinst .. and try to install it again |
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| 21:31.02 | abrotman | CrapoVert: the shebang is the #!/bin/sh at the top |
| 21:31.11 | behanw | romano2k: ppp-compress-18 is an alias for ppp_mppe |
| 21:31.19 | romano2k | okay, then it's loaded |
| 21:31.25 | CrapoVert | Okay |
| 21:31.28 | CrapoVert | I'll try. |
| 21:31.35 | balasyum | nobody created any so far? |
| 21:32.06 | abrotman | !tell balasyum about usb install |
| 21:32.12 | CrapoVert | What do you mean exactly with set- X? |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | 'set -x' |
| 21:32.31 | balasyum | thank you, abrotman |
| 21:32.46 | CrapoVert | Just in the console? |
| 21:32.48 | abrotman | without the quotes .. after the shebang |
| 21:32.52 | abrotman | no |
| 21:32.53 | CrapoVert | I mean terminal? |
| 21:32.54 | abrotman | CrapoVert: can you put a 'set -x' after the shebang in hte /var/lib/dpkg/info/sun-java5-bin.postinst .. and try to install it again |
| 21:32.55 | tat_ | hello i have troube writing an bootable cd iso image on a dvd. I think it should actually not be a prcek is that the dvd wont be filed all, but i fucked allready two dvds dvd, only differenoblem to write a cd image to an |
| 21:33.29 | CrapoVert | abrotman: I type in 'apt-get install sun-java5-bin' |
| 21:33.40 | abrotman | CrapoVert: yep .. got that .. |
| 21:33.43 | CrapoVert | And when I see the error, then I type set -X? |
| 21:33.59 | abrotman | no |
| 21:34.03 | abrotman | CrapoVert: edit the file |
| 21:34.05 | abrotman | CrapoVert: can you put a 'set -x' after the shebang in hte /var/lib/dpkg/info/sun-java5-bin.postinst .. and try to install it again |
| 21:34.10 | abrotman | that file ^^ |
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| 21:34.43 | tat_ | i jused "$ cdrecord -v -eject dev=/dev/scd0 -multi speed=8 /home/tat/data/os/gentoo/livecd-amd64-installer-2008.0-r1.iso" to burn the image and there where no error from cdrecord (wodim) but after writing i can't mount the dvd anymore :( |
| 21:34.45 | CrapoVert | Ah! Okay! I'll try it out. |
| 21:35.51 | CrapoVert | abrotman: Does not work :( |
| 21:35.58 | abrotman | CrapoVert: what does not work ?\ |
| 21:36.12 | abrotman | editing the file doesn't work? |
| 21:36.51 | CrapoVert | I'added 'set -x' without ' in the /var/lib/dpkg/info/sun-java5-bin.postinst and then 'apt-get install sun-java5-bin' |
| 21:37.07 | abrotman | and did it give more output ? |
| 21:37.45 | CrapoVert | No, it's the same as before |
| 21:38.24 | abrotman | can you paste the postinst file in a pastebin .. and the output of apt-get install sun-java5-bin |
| 21:38.49 | CrapoVert | okay |
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| 21:40.15 | balasyum | nobody knows better guide than !tell balasyum about usb install ? |
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| 21:40.56 | streuner | didn't do an USB install ever |
| 21:41.27 | balasyum | I'd just like a linux system to go |
| 21:41.40 | trinux | use a CD or DVD |
| 21:41.47 | streuner | why not use DVD/CD? |
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| 21:41.51 | streuner | just* |
| 21:41.53 | balasyum | can't save the changes back |
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| 21:41.55 | abrotman | he wants a live USB system |
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| 21:42.04 | abrotman | and you can do that with debian |
| 21:42.18 | CrapoVert | abrotman: That's it http://pastebin.com/m56eb7d79 |
| 21:42.26 | trinux | install to USB not from USB? |
| 21:42.31 | miksuh | yep, use debian live images |
| 21:42.33 | balasyum | yes! |
| 21:42.44 | abrotman | CrapoVert: you didn't add the 'set -x' to the top of the file |
| 21:42.49 | trinux | ahhh |
| 21:43.00 | CrapoVert | Oh, i thought add it to the end... . |
| 21:43.06 | CrapoVert | sorry, i'll retry |
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| 21:43.12 | abrotman | i said .. after the shebang at the top |
| 21:43.15 | balasyum | shall I follow this: http://wiki.flimzy.com/index.php/Install_Debian_on_USB then? |
| 21:43.23 | romano2k | any help about poptop configuration? i'm really unable to find what's wrong! |
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| 21:44.08 | CrapoVert | !shebang |
| 21:44.08 | dpkg | methinks shebang is examples: "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w", or examples are "#!/bin/sh", "#!/usr/bin/perl -w" |
| 21:44.20 | CrapoVert | Ah! |
| 21:44.29 | CrapoVert | Okay, now i get a very long error code! |
| 21:44.34 | Nyle | I thought it was also called "hash bang' |
| 21:44.35 | Nyle | no? |
| 21:44.45 | Nyle | never heard shebang before |
| 21:45.04 | CrapoVert | Me 2 :) |
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| 21:45.30 | CrapoVert | Damn! All these error's make me afraid.... |
| 21:45.33 | jescis | #! = shebang, I never heard it called anything else :/ |
| 21:45.39 | trinux | balasyum: maybe this guide here can help you: http://feraga.com/node/30 |
| 21:45.41 | abrotman | CrapoVert: that's okay .. just paste them |
| 21:45.54 | Nyle | shebang (also called a hashbang, hashpling, or pound bang) |
| 21:46.08 | Nyle | dpkg shebang is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shebang_(Unix) |
| 21:46.08 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 21:46.12 | balasyum | thank you |
| 21:46.22 | balasyum | bye |
| 21:46.37 | trinux | baaaaad times when people add wikipedia links to the debian bot |
| 21:46.39 | CrapoVert | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m120d6588 |
| 21:46.49 | Nyle | trinux, how so? |
| 21:46.55 | trinux | well |
| 21:47.43 | Nyle | 1) it is much more roomier than line limit on irc. 2) it is more informative. 3) it is much better organized than the facoid could be. |
| 21:47.56 | trinux | i forgot what i wanted to say to keep the peace of the channel :P |
| 21:48.43 | Nyle | it was always peaceful, don't always assume people are arguing instead of sharing :) |
| 21:49.03 | Nyle | hashpling sounds cool |
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| 21:49.12 | Nyle | say hashpling 3 times really fast |
| 21:49.18 | \amethyst | trinux: and, while wikipedia might not be a trustworthy source of unbiased information, neither is an IRC bot with a publicly editable factoid database :) |
| 21:49.39 | trinux | thats true |
| 21:49.54 | Nyle | !trinux |
| 21:49.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, trinux is The linux security toolkit -- boots in 2 or 3 floppys (http://www.trinux.org) |
| 21:50.04 | Nyle | oh cool |
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| 21:50.27 | Nyle | it sounded like a distro name :) |
| 21:50.27 | pablo | hi, how can i list the source dependencies of a package? |
| 21:50.27 | trinux | heh |
| 21:51.10 | Nyle | pablo, thats a good question |
| 21:51.23 | abrotman | CrapoVert: just put an 'exit 0' after the shebang .. |
| 21:51.24 | stew | pablo: apt-cache showsrc packagename |
| 21:51.52 | abrotman | CrapoVert: when i run the 'broken' command on my system, it doesn't finish either, but i have a owrking java |
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| 21:52.06 | Nyle | showsrc displays all the source package records that match the given package names. All versions are shown, as well as all records that declare the name to be a Binary. |
| 21:52.09 | CrapoVert | okay |
| 21:52.13 | Nyle | oh nm, stew got to it first |
| 21:52.24 | Nyle | !lose me |
| 21:52.24 | dpkg | nyle: You Lose. |
| 21:52.28 | Nyle | damn. |
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| 21:53.37 | CrapoVert | Okay, now it works |
| 21:53.42 | CrapoVert | Thank you abrotman |
| 21:53.47 | abrotman | yeah .. but does java work ? |
| 21:53.55 | CrapoVert | How can I try it out? |
| 21:53.57 | pablo | stew: ok thx |
| 21:54.00 | dcorbin | when I "ssh host", I have a different environment than when I "ssh host cmd". What is/is-not getting loaded in the various cases? |
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| 21:54.19 | CrapoVert | java stat? |
| 21:54.22 | jhutchins_lt | How do I tell exim4 to write to /var/log/maillog instead of /var/log/mail.*? |
| 21:54.30 | stew | dcorbin: your shell startup files (perhaps .bash_login and .bashrc) |
| 21:55.15 | stew | jhutchins_lt: edit /etc/syslog.conf |
| 21:55.27 | CrapoVert | Error occurred during initialization of VM |
| 21:55.27 | CrapoVert | Could not reserve enough space for object heap |
| 21:55.27 | CrapoVert | Could not create the Java virtual machine. |
| 21:55.28 | CrapoVert | www:/# |
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| 21:55.57 | click170 | Is there a place other than /etc/raidtab or /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf where I should look for the raid configuration that is loaded at boot time? Because I'm trying to setup a simple linear raid but when the system boots the raid is always set up entirely differently. |
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| 21:56.28 | PiousMinion | Hi, I'm in the etch installer setting up LVM. I go to create a logical volume and it presents me with the space available. I drop the amount by 2 gb and I get the error "Unable to create a new logical volume (rootvol) on secvolgrp with the new size 0. check /var/log/syslog or see virtual console 4 for details." Both tty4 and /var/log/syslog report that "insufficient free extents (19039) in volume group secvolgrp: 19712 required |
| 21:56.30 | dcorbin | stew: I have no .bash_login. My .bashrc is clearly NOT running when I do "ssh host cmd". Where should I be adding PATH env var chagnes? |
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| 21:57.38 | PiousMinion | 19712 > 19039, but idk how that relates to free space or why it's telling me this. |
| 21:57.46 | CrapoVert | When I type in "java -version" I get: Could not reserve enough space for object heap/Could not create the Java virtual machine :( |
| 21:58.07 | CrapoVert | Error occurred during initialization of VM |
| 21:58.13 | stew | dcorbin: it would be better to not need them, but if you do, i guess /etc/environment (or somewhere else defined by pam_env in /etc/pam.d/ssh) |
| 21:58.51 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Really!? |
| 21:59.27 | stew | jhutchins_lt: well /var/log/mail.log is a syslog logfile, so if you are trying to change its location you'd edit /etc/syslog.conf |
| 22:00.26 | PiousMinion | wtf is an "extent" anyway? |
| 22:00.34 | Nyle | extent? |
| 22:00.34 | dcorbin | stew: surely .bashrc should ALWAYS be loaded |
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| 22:01.01 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Yeah, that's what I needed. Thanks. Been a while since I did a server from scratch, and never on Deb before. |
| 22:01.16 | stew | dcorbin: yeas, whenever you start bash, but when you run "ssh host cmd" then bash isn't started unless 'cmd' happens to be bash |
| 22:01.38 | dcorbin | stew: ah |
| 22:01.42 | PiousMinion | Nyle: yeah, wikipedia says they are part of a filesystem, but I'm setting up LVM and don't even have a filesystem yet. |
| 22:02.33 | Nyle | i see |
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| 22:02.47 | Nyle | I've still not have had a chance to setup raids in linux :) |
| 22:02.56 | Nyle | I've been using it since 1994 almost, image that |
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| 22:03.21 | jhutchins_lt | stew: Any tips on getting squirrelmail working with the default exim4/uw-imapd? |
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| 22:04.21 | PiousMinion | Nyle: I'm not doing raid, just lvm. |
| 22:04.50 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:05.03 | Nyle | I've done those, like combine a few partitions from a few diff hdd into one |
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| 22:05.23 | Nyle | I did it on sarge but I have almost no recollection of this,maybe I should try and learn agian |
| 22:05.56 | stew | jhutchins_lt: i'd recommend not using uw-imapd, but as far as squirrelmail goes, i don't have any recommendations beyond whatever is in /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail/README.Debian |
| 22:06.10 | PiousMinion | It's funny, it will let me make a volume 74G or 79G, but not 77G. wtf |
| 22:07.22 | PiousMinion | then I tell it 74G and it makes it 77.3G anyway. lmao |
| 22:09.03 | dcorbin | stew: FYI, it turns out ssh has it's own way to control the environment. |
| 22:09.11 | romano2k | here is what i get when a client tries to connect to my pptpd vpn, he tries via Windows XP and can't connect (error 617), do you know what's wrong? |
| 22:09.15 | romano2k | http://pastebin.com/d5fad0f08 |
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| 22:12.46 | barra_ | I'll try my luck here :-) |
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| 22:14.23 | zu22 | hey guys can anyone recommend a good DNS hoster? i want one that will let me have subdomains and for example i want www.me.org to transparently point to www.external.org/~me and mybox.me.org to point to my DSL static IP (publicly routable) so I can ssh and ping my box without having to use IP. Any recommendations appreciated. |
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| 22:15.25 | jhutchins_lt | stew: /usr/share/doc/squirrelmail/README.Debian: No such file or directory |
| 22:17.04 | barra_ | hello |
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| 22:17.24 | barra_ | debian users of our engine are encountering a strange segfault |
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| 22:17.46 | jhutchins_lt | stew: .gz |
| 22:17.57 | barra_ | Segmentation fault. |
| 22:17.57 | barra_ | [Switching to Thread 0x7f06d7b6a6e0 (LWP 13193)] |
| 22:17.57 | barra_ | 0x00007f06d30241d5 in __cxa_allocate_exception () from /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 22:18.14 | stew | jhutchins_lt: files in /usr/share/doc are typically compressed into a .gz if they are > 3k |
| 22:18.17 | barra_ | it looks like this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365245 |
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| 22:18.35 | barra_ | full backtrace here: http://forums.fifengine.de/index.php?topic=137.msg885#msg885 |
| 22:19.45 | stew | zu22: having www.me.org point to www.external.org/~me is not somehting you can do with DNS alone. you'd have to do something with the webserver configuration as well, such as using mod_rewrite |
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| 22:23.40 | evilsporkman1 | what's with the funny characters all over http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/minilanguageschapter.html ? do I have borked fonts? |
| 22:24.13 | trinux | i think so, displays normal here |
| 22:24.33 | evilsporkman1 | i'm using iceweasel 3 on lenny...font is set to "serif". hmm. |
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| 22:25.08 | neonlightning | i get the questionmarks beside next and prev and all the words in the header but thats about it |
| 22:25.20 | evilsporkman1 | yeah the question marks are what i'm referring to |
| 22:25.35 | evilsporkman1 | view source indicates they're just raw chars in the page...esr seems to have something misconfigured |
| 22:25.50 | neonlightning | thats just font problems if i remember correctly |
| 22:25.59 | neonlightning | it doesn't bother me enough to deal with it |
| 22:26.31 | evilsporkman1 | it's iceweasel treating the page as utf-8 instead of iso-8859-1 |
| 22:26.46 | neonlightning | yep |
| 22:26.59 | zu22 | stew: ah i see |
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| 22:36.04 | maor | make qt4 && wait_3_hours(!) |
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| 22:36.28 | abrotman | qt4 is packaged |
| 22:36.56 | jhutchins_lt | Does debian not have apropos? |
| 22:37.24 | abrotman | yes it does |
| 22:37.31 | abrotman | !find bin/apropos etch |
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| 22:38.43 | jhutchins_lt | abrotman: How does the database get updated? makewhatis doesn't seem to be there. |
| 22:38.46 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/apropos' (1): (/usr/bin/apropos) in doc/man-db. |
| 22:38.57 | abrotman | which database ? |
| 22:39.50 | zu22 | abrotman: do you have a favorite DNS hoster? |
| 22:39.58 | abrotman | my own ? |
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| 22:40.43 | zu22 | abrotman: heh and what happens when your DNS servers go down? |
| 22:40.50 | abrotman | define down |
| 22:41.21 | zu22 | abrotman: the machines crash, power outage etc. |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | zu22: that's why you have more than one |
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| 22:42.55 | abrotman | ideally on different networks |
| 22:44.57 | zu22 | abrotman: well i just have DSL at home, so if i wanted to host my own DNS and wanted a backup server I'd have to pay and get a remote server since i don't run any boxes outside my home network. If DSL service was interrupted for some reason i would have no DNS resolution for my domain, on other hand they webserver would also be down so that is another problem. Heh. No solution I can see except spending more money than I can afford. |
| 22:45.26 | abrotman | zu22: a lot of times .. when you pay for a domain, they give you the option of hosting DNS with them |
| 22:45.46 | zu22 | abrotman: ah, i am shopping around for a domain registrar/hoster, any recommendations? |
| 22:45.56 | zu22 | abrotman: someone at my lug suggested Google Apps |
| 22:46.21 | abrotman | i don't know what's popular these dayhs .. maye ask #dns |
| 22:47.31 | zu22 | abrotman: k |
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| 22:53.51 | Ryan52 | Can you use heartbeat on xen instances? since you set the ip on the host machine's config file, I'm not sure if it will work...Can you use it with vserver? (which may end up being what we will be using if xen dies) |
| 22:56.02 | Ryan52 | My production servers are xen instances, but my test systems are not. |
| 22:56.46 | Ryan52 | So I could easily end up screwing up my production servers and wasting a lot of time... |
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| 22:59.08 | s3a | i downloaded the cd1 iso of debian lenny beta2...is there a live cd option to use debian without installing it to hard drive cuz graphical installation is just that..an INSTALLATION that is graphical |
| 22:59.32 | abrotman | not for the lenny installer |
| 22:59.39 | abrotman | there is a livecd project .. but that's not it |
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| 23:00.16 | trinux | s3a: you could have a look at knoppix. thats a livecd based on debian |
| 23:00.27 | abrotman | debian has a live cd |
| 23:00.31 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 23:00.32 | dpkg | methinks livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
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| 23:01.13 | SamWeasley | Hi... My "times New Roman" font is crashed on OpenOffice.org (shows completely wrong). On previewers (either KDE ou GNOME) are okay! Any ideas? |
| 23:01.51 | thrope_ | does anyone have any idea about how to set up logging of all messages on a jabber server (jabberd1.4) - I can't find anything abut msg_log online - bandersnatch I've seen mentioned but I can't find a download link (although there is a package) |
| 23:01.56 | s3a | ya cuz im currently using ubuntu and wanted to move to debian cuz its apparently more stable, so the iso i have has no live cd mode? |
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| 23:02.22 | abrotman | no it does not |
| 23:02.45 | cloakable | s3a: debian is more stable because it doesn't rush into things like having livecd's :) |
| 23:02.48 | abrotman | thrope_: you'd probably want to ask the jabber channel |
| 23:03.00 | thrope_ | abrotman: I couldn't find one... |
| 23:03.40 | thrope_ | abrotman: ah just found it - didnt show up in my channel list for some reason |
| 23:03.58 | abrotman | thrope_: they do tell you to use the jabber room on the jabber server .. but whatever |
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| 23:04.14 | s3a | cloakable: so if i want to test it without actually installing it I would have to use virtualbox-ose? |
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| 23:04.47 | abrotman | s3a: see above .. debian has a livecd |
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| 23:04.57 | Ryan52 | s3a: just not a live cd installer |
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| 23:05.32 | s3a | Ryan52: does the live DVD have installer and live into one disc? |
| 23:07.01 | Ryan52 | I don't think so... |
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| 23:09.04 | s3a | Ryan52: o, k thx and to every1: sry for asking so many stupid questions |
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| 23:15.21 | gravity | Agh! My eyes! |
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| 23:17.39 | abrotman | tubgirl ? |
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| 23:19.25 | gravity | chatspeak |
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| 23:19.59 | abrotman | oh |
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| 23:23.34 | s3a | wat is LVM when it comes to disk partitioning? |
| 23:24.45 | karmatronic | s3a: that s a littelbit vague.... |
| 23:25.08 | Ryan52 | s3a: logical volume manager |
| 23:25.29 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 23:25.29 | dpkg | somebody said lvm was at http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about <lvm_tutorial>, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo, or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/ and http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, or <lvm removedisk> |
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| 23:27.38 | karmatronic | !theo |
| 23:27.38 | dpkg | hmm... theo is Theo de Raadt, founder of OpenBSD. See <www.theos.com>. |
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| 23:27.56 | karmatronic | !van rossum |
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| 23:28.42 | dread | can someone help me with getting wow to work, It keeps crashing o startup |
| 23:29.12 | hatter | what do we do about new motherboards with new sata drivers that dont work with the debian installer ? |
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| 23:29.29 | karmatronic | hatter: we use a recent kernel |
| 23:30.48 | ma3x | when i type something in iceweasel it always autocompletes - if the site name is google and the description is 'search provider' then if i enter in the address box 'g' or 's' it always autocompletes |
| 23:30.56 | ma3x | it's supposed to autocomplete only on addresses |
| 23:31.02 | ma3x | not on site descriptions |
| 23:31.04 | gravity | ma3x: Not in version 3 |
| 23:31.09 | gravity | Welcome to "awesome bar" |
| 23:31.11 | ma3x | that's so dumb in the new iceweasel (v3) |
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| 23:31.29 | gravity | ma3x: It can be disabled if you want. Google for "disable awesomebar firefox" or soemthing similar |
| 23:31.30 | dread | Anyone ever get this when paying WoW: ============================================================================== |
| 23:31.30 | ma3x | how do i make it like in the old version? |
| 23:31.30 | dread | World of WarCraft (build 8606) |
| 23:31.30 | dread | Exe: Z:\media\disk\Games\World of Warcraft\Wow.exe |
| 23:31.30 | dread | Time: Jul 20, 2008 4:19:34.940 PM |
| 23:31.30 | dread | User: jake |
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| 23:31.35 | ma3x | ok thanks man |
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| 23:32.11 | ma3x | awesome bar? so lamee |
| 23:32.24 | dread | #flood |
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| 23:34.09 | Pavlz | yesterday evening the #debian don't give me the possibility to enter was requested that i must be logged why ? i always entered without to be logged, and then i must why ? |
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| 23:34.35 | hatter | karmatronic, have you put a recent kernel in the d-i ? |
| 23:35.07 | yoursfaithfully | The apt repository I use - University of Wisconsin - has stopped working. Where can I find a list of apt repositories? I've searched Google and the Debian site, and I've found nothing. |
| 23:35.24 | themill | !mirrors |
| 23:35.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
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| 23:36.08 | yoursfaithfully | Thanks themill: I can just use one of those in place of the U Wisconsin entry in my sources.list file? |
| 23:37.01 | themill | If that mirror was an official mirror, then you should be able to do so, yes. |
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| 23:37.48 | abrotman | doesn't recall a UW mirror |
| 23:38.04 | abrotman | oh .. there is |
| 23:38.25 | abrotman | yoursfaithfully: there is a MSU mirror |
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| 23:39.01 | yoursfaithfully | abrotman: Thanks. I'll check for it |
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| 23:39.38 | hatter | has anyone built new d-i 's with newer kernels ? |
| 23:40.09 | abrotman | newer than what ? |
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| 23:40.22 | hatter | abrotman, a newer kernel that has recent sata drivers |
| 23:40.34 | abrotman | yeah .. newer than WHAT? |
| 23:40.40 | abrotman | etch? lenny? what? |
| 23:40.42 | hatter | ah, ethc |
| 23:40.45 | yoursfaithfully | Does this line make sense?: deb ftp://ftp.egr.msu.edu/debian/ etch main |
| 23:40.46 | Pavlz | yesterday evening i have not had the possibility to enter in #debian i received the message: login first, now i ask you why, i always entered without a login |
| 23:40.50 | abrotman | !tell hatter about etchnhalf |
| 23:40.53 | abrotman | !tell hatter about kmuto |
| 23:41.01 | hatter | abrotman, thx |
| 23:41.05 | abrotman | Pavlz: no idea .. it's not set that way |
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| 23:41.19 | abrotman | yoursfaithfully: i'd use http:// instead of ftp:// |
| 23:41.56 | hatter | haha, etchandahalf... good name |
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| 23:42.22 | yoursfaithfully | abrotman: Thanks, I'll use http |
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| 23:44.21 | yoursfaithfully | It's working, thanks guys! |
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| 23:48.29 | ma3x | can anyone help me with the 'awesome urlbar'? i've already modified matchonlytyped to 'true' but it still autocompletes other stuff - for example if i type 'g' it autocompletes gmail and dot.org because it has g at the end (dot.org'g') |
| 23:48.53 | ma3x | now it autocompletes even if there are letters inside other urls |
| 23:48.56 | ma3x | that's so dumb |
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| 23:51.54 | abrotman | google .. there's a thing to turn it off completely |
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| 23:52.34 | ma3x | you think that's a good idea to turn it off completly? |
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| 23:53.01 | abrotman | you're the one complaining |
| 23:53.27 | ma3x | well i dont want to turn it off the whole |
| 23:53.35 | ma3x | just to be like before |
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| 23:55.15 | tubbybastard | Why is there no /etc/init.d/iptables in etch? |
| 23:55.27 | abrotman | read /usr/share/doc/iptables/* |
| 23:55.44 | ma3x | does anyone have iceweasel 2? |
| 23:55.51 | tubbybastard | abrotman, thank you, sorry I didn't rtfm |
| 23:55.56 | ma3x | if you can just read me the values of few options |
| 23:56.11 | ma3x | from about:config |
| 23:56.12 | ma3x | browser.urlbar.matchBehaviour |
| 23:56.23 | ma3x | browser.urlbar.maxRichResults |
| 23:56.29 | ma3x | just those two |
| 23:56.33 | \amethyst | ma3x: those aren't in IW 2 |
| 23:56.41 | ma3x | damn |
| 23:57.09 | abrotman | tubbybastard: the maintainer doesn't feel it's a good idea to have one ready made .. making one is trivial .. though you might find it a better idea to use it as a pre-up in the interfaces file |
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| 23:57.28 | \amethyst | ma3x: maxRichResults 0 would be closest to FF 2 behaviour; not sure about matchBehaviour |
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| 23:58.13 | tubbybastard | abrotman, iptables is a weird creature for a novice *nix guy accustomed to openbsd pf |
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| 23:58.34 | abrotman | tubbybastard: creature indeed~ |
| 23:58.36 | wd3 | installed etch using floppies, but on reboot the bootup process stopped at "savedefault" what could this be? |
| 23:58.36 | abrotman | ! |
| 23:58.52 | \amethyst | ma3x: there's also this https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/6227 |
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| 23:59.06 | ma3x | that doesn't work |
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| 23:59.48 | ma3x | for example i type 'd' and it displays onelook.com free dictionary stuff |
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