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| 00:05.07 | hatter | can i use grub on an old NT Server as the boot loader if there is currently no MBR installed ? |
| 00:05.24 | ma3x | ask #grub |
| 00:05.52 | ma3x | dual boot? |
| 00:06.18 | hatter | no need for dual boot, i just imaged an old machine, but havent installed an mbr yet |
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| 00:06.34 | hatter | using ghost4linux |
| 00:06.39 | hatter | a dd i guess |
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| 00:07.02 | terbo | how about a bootable cd .. install grub from there. |
| 00:07.18 | ma3x | bootable cd with what? grub? |
| 00:07.25 | hatter | terbo, yeah, that was i was thinking |
| 00:07.40 | hatter | ma3x, knoppix |
| 00:08.00 | terbo | is thinking of it too, but wants to use bluetooth instead of wifi with the router.. |
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| 00:13.00 | terbo | also trying to get a webcam on this thing .. |
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| 00:20.52 | valmorg | I just copied some fonts into my ttf folder, how do I restart the font server? |
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| 00:21.20 | BrahmsC | where can i find the documentation relative to the initialization of server ? i want to edit the services that are started by default |
| 00:21.44 | StyXman | BrahmsC: man update-rc.d or install rcconf |
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| 00:22.04 | \amethyst | BrahmsC: /etc/rc2.d/README and /etc/init.d/README in addition to the documentation StyXman mentioned |
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| 00:22.26 | StyXman | BrahmsC: also, there are several editors; apt-cache search init |
| 00:23.58 | StyXman | talking about init scripts, I see that most have INIT INFO, where there is dependency info, but I cannot find a replacement to /sbin/init that uses it. is there any? |
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| 00:24.14 | StyXman | a/is/are/ |
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| 00:27.28 | \amethyst | StyXman: probably upstart-compat-sysv but I don't use it so I'm not certain |
| 00:28.13 | StyXman | \amethyst: I can't find upstart in apt-cache |
| 00:28.24 | StyXman | (this is debian sid recently updated) |
| 00:28.42 | \amethyst | StyXman: oh, right, it's in experimental |
| 00:28.58 | StyXman | \amethyst: hmmm, let me see |
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| 00:31.37 | Pavlz | excuse to all but my nokia 770 decided to reboot itself |
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| 00:32.10 | Carbon_life | $ screen Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/0' - please check. |
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| 00:32.17 | Pavlz | so GNU/linux and the connection was down |
| 00:32.18 | Carbon_life | $ screen |
| 00:32.20 | StyXman | \amethyst: yes, it seems upstart is in experimental |
| 00:32.23 | Carbon_life | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.25 | Carbon_life | rather |
| 00:32.26 | Carbon_life | Any ideas? |
| 00:32.31 | Carbon_life | I figure it has something to do with permissions |
| 00:32.42 | StyXman | Carbon_life: check perms. did you su/sudo to another user? |
| 00:32.55 | Carbon_life | You betcha :) |
| 00:33.20 | StyXman | Carbon_life: run screen as your user, then su/sudo |
| 00:33.24 | Carbon_life | Ok |
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| 00:33.48 | Pavlz | are you speaking about maccozz ? |
| 00:33.54 | Carbon_life | Thanks |
| 00:34.31 | Sebo | Hi! Which package can you recomend me to get some webmail system installed on the machine? |
| 00:34.42 | abrotman | horde or squrrielmail |
| 00:34.46 | abrotman | squirrelmail |
| 00:34.56 | Tapout | on a default debian install, what blocksize is typically default? 2KB? |
| 00:34.59 | Tapout | 1KB? |
| 00:35.17 | abrotman | 4KB IIRC .. you can look yourself |
| 00:35.33 | Sebo | abrotman: thx - I'll read about them ;] |
| 00:37.01 | StyXman | Sebo: horde is a web based pim that uses mysql and is pretty big. squirrel is more drop-and-use |
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| 00:38.41 | internat | im really liking roundcube in terms of webmail now.. |
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| 00:39.07 | abrotman | it's not in etch |
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| 00:39.20 | abrotman | StyXman: it can use many other DBs other than mysql |
| 00:39.20 | tview | can anyone tell me where the devhelp for glibc has gone in debian? |
| 00:39.56 | abrotman | tview: non-free |
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| 00:41.29 | mohadib | hello |
| 00:41.41 | hatter | sigh. etchandahalf wont detect the ide chip, then wont use the generic ide setting |
| 00:41.47 | Tapout | abrotman, how do I find out the default tho? I know what they chose cause I see it listed with dumpef2s .. (1KB) ... but i always thought the default was 4KB. I got a raid 10 setup, and they put 1KB sizes, which causes major fragmentation with mysql myisam indexes.. (i haven't reported it yet) |
| 00:41.52 | mohadib | will iceweasel always try to keep the firefox fail away? |
| 00:42.08 | abrotman | Tapout: IIRC you can change it in the installer .. but it may decide based on partition size |
| 00:42.08 | mohadib | i noticed how in lenny i never got the big retarded button in FF3 |
| 00:42.21 | abrotman | hatter: tried legacy mode ? |
| 00:42.32 | mohadib | and i would like to say to whoever made that stupid button go awya "Fine work man!" |
| 00:42.34 | Tapout | abrotman, ah ok. I got a box from an isp.. i'll ask for a reinstall :) |
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| 00:42.46 | abrotman | Tapout: why? 4k is usually okay |
| 00:42.51 | mohadib | but what about the new filstrip stuff and tab order changes in ff3.1? |
| 00:43.01 | Tapout | abrotman, they forced/chose 1KB |
| 00:43.04 | mohadib | will debian save me again from dumb ideas? |
| 00:43.16 | Tapout | my dumpef2s is showing block size = 1KB |
| 00:43.23 | abrotman | Tapout: uh .. okay .. |
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| 00:44.23 | \amethyst | doesn't the installer use the same /etc/mke2fs.conf that eventually gets installed? |
| 00:44.35 | hatter | abrotman, hmmm legacy mode... option in installer ? |
| 00:45.00 | abrotman | no ..in your bios |
| 00:47.11 | hatter | ah, yeah good point, will try now |
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| 00:47.41 | tview | can someone tell me how I must make devhelp aware of new books? |
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| 00:52.17 | hatter | legacy mode not work |
| 00:52.27 | abrotman | hatter: what kind of sata card is this ? |
| 00:52.30 | hatter | the lenny installer wont let me install using generic ide driver |
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| 00:53.17 | hatter | i wil check, i have been trying to install with the one ide channel |
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| 00:53.34 | hatter | maybe i will try the sata cd |
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| 00:54.49 | Pavlz | where can i find the list of supported hardware ? |
| 00:54.59 | Nyle | !hcl |
| 00:54.59 | dpkg | i heard hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 00:55.02 | abrotman | in the install guide |
| 00:55.11 | abrotman | Pavlz: you're trying to install on your nokia device? |
| 00:56.19 | Pavlz | no, i must to buy a router, but first to buy and pay 80 euro, i would be sure that is supported |
| 00:56.40 | Pavlz | thanks for the reply |
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| 00:57.23 | abrotman | the router? |
| 00:59.03 | Pavlz | when i have the router at home i have not more necessity to sniff opened access points for the streets of rome (italy) |
| 00:59.37 | mohadib | any linux box can be a router |
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| 01:01.00 | mohadib | but if you want some deicated device, with no moving parts.. why not buy one that comes with lunix |
| 01:01.10 | Pavlz | yes i know, but i need something always on |
| 01:01.21 | Pavlz | and low power |
| 01:01.35 | Pavlz | pc suck more power |
| 01:01.51 | Pavlz | router 12 volts |
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| 01:02.22 | Pavlz | pc 220 to 12 volt and 5 volt |
| 01:03.05 | BrahmsC | synaptic is a front-end of apt ? |
| 01:03.29 | Pavlz | next time, why i losed much time i buy a juniper |
| 01:03.30 | mohadib | Pavlz: maybe consider a wrt54g |
| 01:03.36 | mohadib | oh |
| 01:03.40 | mohadib | this is for something big? |
| 01:03.46 | mohadib | not a home netowrk? |
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| 01:05.02 | tview | can someone please tell me how devhelp locates what books ituses? I am having difficulty getting the devhelp for glibc seen. |
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| 01:05.16 | abrotman | BrahmsC: apt-cache show synaptic .. should tell you |
| 01:05.29 | abrotman | tview: i told you the libc docs are in non-free |
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| 01:05.49 | tview | abrotman: I quit my emacs and missed your reply. |
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| 01:06.25 | tview | abrotman: I have non free. And can see no devhelp for libc. |
| 01:07.04 | abrotman | apt-cache search glibc documentation |
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| 01:07.58 | tview | yes? And there is no devhelp. |
| 01:08.01 | Pavlz | i can't use a wrt54g on dsl it needs a modem to work |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | tview: you want the man pages for the includes ? |
| 01:08.58 | tview | abrotman: no. I did not mention manpages. |
| 01:09.03 | tview | I said devhelp. |
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| 01:09.43 | abrotman | !info glibc-doc-reference |
| 01:09.47 | abrotman | is that not what you want ? |
| 01:10.11 | dpkg | glibc-doc-reference: (GNU C Library: Documentation), section non-free/doc, is optional. Version: 2.7-1 (sid), Packaged size: 5207 kB, Installed size: 12164 kB |
| 01:10.19 | Pavlz | Is summer, and night here in rome and now is raining |
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| 01:10.52 | Pavlz | i must to quit or i turn back home wet |
| 01:11.02 | tview | abrotman: I dont know. Devhelp has not picked it up if it is. |
| 01:11.08 | Nyle | rome |
| 01:11.11 | Nyle | ncie |
| 01:11.52 | BrahmsC | i have installed apache and got some issues finding the files, some of them are found in non-standard location, is it common for debian programs to install the 'debian way' not from standard ? |
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| 01:12.22 | abrotman | depends what you're looking for |
| 01:12.23 | Nyle | BrahmsC, which files? |
| 01:12.33 | Nyle | BrahmsC, dpkg -L pkgname |
| 01:12.35 | BrahmsC | don't remember by heart but they were a dew |
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| 01:12.37 | Nyle | lists all the files in the package |
| 01:13.05 | Nyle | for example dpkg -L apache2 |grep conf |
| 01:13.11 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 01:13.14 | BrahmsC | ok |
| 01:13.18 | BrahmsC | some it's an exeption ? |
| 01:13.22 | BrahmsC | some/so |
| 01:13.35 | Nyle | man dpkg, man grep |
| 01:13.43 | Nyle | grep is used to search |
| 01:14.15 | Nyle | so dpkg -L lists all files in a cpagke, and out of all those, you wantn to search for files containing the name '*conf*' |
| 01:14.21 | Nyle | thats what that means, but its just an example |
| 01:14.23 | abrotman | it would be apache2.2-common |
| 01:14.41 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:14.42 | Nyle | thanks |
| 01:14.43 | abrotman | BrahmsC: some packages put conf files in the standard place .. others don't |
| 01:14.47 | BrahmsC | abrotman: exactly :) |
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| 01:15.01 | abrotman | BrahmsC: there is plenty of documentation |
| 01:15.18 | Nyle | debian packages come with a README.debian usually |
| 01:15.30 | Nyle | contains info about what they did to the package |
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| 01:18.35 | mohadib | you can get a diff though |
| 01:18.51 | mohadib | of the package and the orginal source |
| 01:19.01 | hatter | abrotman, the sata chip was detected, but the not the ide, i was trying to install of the ide with the cd-rom, since ide usually works before sata... |
| 01:19.04 | Nyle | ahh yes from the source packae |
| 01:19.21 | abrotman | hatter: so all workie ? |
| 01:19.32 | hatter | well, now the nic is not detected |
| 01:19.34 | hatter | sigh... |
| 01:19.48 | hatter | a new intel gigabit nic |
| 01:19.55 | hatter | just switched to an older one |
| 01:19.56 | Nyle | hey |
| 01:19.59 | abrotman | which kernel is it ? |
| 01:19.59 | Nyle | whats that guy with the mill |
| 01:20.01 | Nyle | mills |
| 01:20.08 | Nyle | ah yes |
| 01:20.10 | abrotman | themill ? |
| 01:20.12 | hatter | 2.6.24 |
| 01:20.17 | Nyle | !seen bushmills |
| 01:20.17 | dpkg | bushmills <n=nnnl@verhau.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 5d 6h 51m 10s ago, saying: 'hoxu, i have the right to defend myself against incorrect claims'. |
| 01:20.22 | Nyle | damn 5 days |
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| 01:20.36 | abrotman | hatter: well .. is it for a server ? |
| 01:20.52 | abrotman | there is a .25 kernel in lenny |
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| 01:22.06 | BrahmsC | what do i need to add to find / -name README.debian to list all of them on my system ? |
| 01:22.23 | hatter | abrotman, yes a server |
| 01:22.23 | Nyle | BrahmsC, no |
| 01:22.38 | Nyle | dpkg -L pkgname|grep doc |
| 01:22.38 | dpkg | No packages found matching pkgname|grep doc |
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| 01:22.41 | tyler | does anyone know if i can take two text files, say a.txt and b.txt, and remove all instances of duplicate lines? |
| 01:22.42 | Nyle | doh |
| 01:22.47 | hatter | ah, i just read the etchandahalf page that said its .24 |
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| 01:22.49 | tyler | so say both contain the line "moo", remove that |
| 01:23.05 | Nyle | or grep for README |
| 01:23.05 | BrahmsC | alright |
| 01:23.05 | Nyle | i usually just use konqueror to browse |
| 01:23.08 | abrotman | !tell tyler about bashfaq |
| 01:23.10 | Nyle | or a file manager to browse in /usr/share/doc |
| 01:23.23 | Nyle | then you can click and go into whichever package name and read thier docs |
| 01:23.23 | abrotman | hatter: there is a .25 at backports.org |
| 01:23.41 | Nyle | BrahmsC, ^^ |
| 01:23.48 | tyler | shit i closed it, heh |
| 01:23.53 | BrahmsC | Nyle: im more the text based guy :) |
| 01:23.53 | tyler | !tell tyler about bashfaq |
| 01:24.09 | BrahmsC | but..i try your way |
| 01:24.16 | Nyle | doesn't matter |
| 01:24.24 | Nyle | you just browse to /usr/share/doc anyhow you please :) |
| 01:24.48 | Nyle | and the desired pckage sudbir |
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| 01:27.51 | hatter | hmmm, earlier i was using expert mode with the lenny install and it didnt detect the nics, then i tried : install suite=etch and it detected the nics |
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| 01:30.53 | jcranmer | quick question: my keyboard repeat functionality seems to have died |
| 01:31.07 | jcranmer | how do I bring it back? |
| 01:32.33 | BrahmsC | mouth to mouth xD |
| 01:32.39 | Carbon_life | lol |
| 01:33.06 | jcranmer | I suspect I just need to reinitialize default settings |
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| 01:37.33 | jcranmer | seems just to be apci problems.. |
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| 01:37.53 | my2keh | anyone able to help me with this error? http://pastebin.ca/1078001 |
| 01:38.07 | my2keh | pleaseee |
| 01:38.25 | my2keh | it seems to crap out at random in the build process |
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| 01:39.01 | abrotman | that's not debian |
| 01:39.26 | abrotman | but if it's crapping out in random places .. might be a hardware issue |
| 01:39.36 | my2keh | like RAM or omething? |
| 01:39.44 | my2keh | yeah it is in crapping out in random places |
| 01:39.45 | abrotman | maybe .. but it's still not debian |
| 01:39.47 | my2keh | different every time |
| 01:40.06 | my2keh | the guys in ##linux are offly quiet |
| 01:40.15 | abrotman | not our problem |
| 01:40.32 | my2keh | i know |
| 01:40.36 | my2keh | just a question |
| 01:40.42 | my2keh | how did you know it's not debian? |
| 01:40.50 | abrotman | there is ##linux and #gcc .. and whatever channel for your distro |
| 01:40.54 | my2keh | (obviously I don't know too much about this) |
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| 01:42.58 | cast | do changes i make with sysv-rc-conf get preserved through upgrades? |
| 01:42.59 | hatter | what is the general idea for spanning a filesystem across multpile hard disks ? raid0 or lvm ? |
| 01:43.14 | abrotman | probably lvm |
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| 01:43.25 | cast | would use lvm in either case personally |
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| 01:43.35 | bdobinson | yeah always lvm for me |
| 01:43.43 | hatter | what happens to lvm if a disk fails ? |
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| 01:44.05 | cast | i have a feeling it'll assplode |
| 01:44.07 | dog | recover from backup |
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| 01:44.20 | hatter | the whole filesystem ? |
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| 01:44.40 | pablo | Hello, I'm in deep trouble with a reiserfs partition, i've run reiserfsck --rebuild-tree and it can't finish because of hdd damaged blocks, so I can't mount the partition again... |
| 01:44.42 | abrotman | so would raid9 |
| 01:44.45 | abrotman | raid0 |
| 01:44.54 | pablo | is there a way rebuild the tree skipping the damaged blocks so i can mount it again and save my data? |
| 01:45.00 | mohadib | raid0 has no parity |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | raid0 has nothing to make *redundant* |
| 01:45.42 | mohadib | right, so why would you suggest it |
| 01:45.57 | mohadib | is he having io issues, or just wanting a bigger volume? |
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| 01:46.29 | hatter | i have a customer that wants big volume, so 6 x500 gb disks, for video editing |
| 01:46.46 | mohadib | i missread above |
| 01:46.47 | mohadib | :S |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | if they're gong to have a backup .. you can use raid0 .. but if they really want the data to stick around .. other options are better |
| 01:47.04 | hatter | one filessystem, though i havent used lvm so i am unsure what happens if one of the disks fails |
| 01:47.34 | hatter | abrotman, ok |
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| 01:47.58 | mohadib | you could raid5 them |
| 01:48.11 | mohadib | about you would have n-1 amount of space |
| 01:48.18 | abrotman | 1+0 might be an option .. but you'd only get 1.5TB |
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| 01:48.46 | pickcoder | raid 10 is better |
| 01:49.42 | abrotman | same |
| 01:50.10 | pickcoder | better than 5 |
| 01:50.18 | abrotman | no .. i meant 10 is the same idea as 0+1 |
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| 01:50.19 | mohadib | depends on your requirements |
| 01:50.54 | pickcoder | not really IMO |
| 01:51.22 | mohadib | well, if you need X amount of space and only have Y amount of disks it just might matter |
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| 01:51.42 | pickcoder | then you planned inappropriately |
| 01:51.53 | mohadib | well, he did say he already has the disks |
| 01:52.30 | mohadib | and if he wanted raid0 , raid5 will come a lot closer to the amount of useable space he wants |
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| 01:52.51 | pickcoder | but a lot slower in performance |
| 01:54.41 | abrotman | dunno about 'a lot' .. but it's still up to hatter |
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| 01:57.48 | hatter | thx all for discussion |
| 01:58.16 | roe_ | how do I change my machine's hostname when hostname <name> doesn't work |
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| 02:00.16 | hatter | roe_, vi /etc/hostname |
| 02:00.21 | dog | edit /etc/hostname and probably needs a reboot or the like.. |
| 02:00.22 | click170 | Does anyone know why when I just plugged another 2 256mb sticks of ram into a machine and booted it, free doesn't show the extra memory? |
| 02:00.40 | hatter | click170, does the bios show it ? |
| 02:01.07 | roe_ | hatter, no way to apply the hostname change without reboot? |
| 02:01.22 | dog | click170: servers need them in specfic slots as well |
| 02:01.27 | click170 | I would have to hook a monitor up to the machine to find out, I was hoping there might be a more 'remote' solution, but that is doable. |
| 02:01.32 | roe_ | or can I somehow configure my system to accept the hostname my dhcp server gives it |
| 02:02.08 | roe_ | al la OS X |
| 02:02.09 | click170 | dog: It's not a server board that I know of just an old desktop machine, and it only had 2 remaining slots to fill, so I did. |
| 02:02.38 | hatter | roe_, I have always rebooted to be sure, but i dont know if theres another way |
| 02:03.38 | PhorceP | I'm trying to get a PCI IDE/SATA fakeraid card (VIA 6421) working under etch. It is detected (shows up in lspci) however the ESATA drive I have is not being recognized. Seeing "SATA link down" and "abnormal status" errors in dmesg. |
| 02:03.42 | dog | click170: you would really need to check in bios first.... then you'd know if it was seen by the machine |
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| 02:07.59 | hatter | i am up to the software install with lenny, the http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf page says to add this 'deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian etch-proposed-updates main' to sources.list, what about the refences to lenny ? should they be changed to etch ? |
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| 02:13.02 | \amethyst | hatter: while there is a lenny-proposed-updates, you don't necessarily need it |
| 02:13.02 | bzed | hatter: if you've allready installed lenny stuff, there's no supported way back to etch |
| 02:13.30 | \amethyst | hatter: that is in the etch-and-a-half instructions because etch-and-a-half consists of proposed updated to etch :) |
| 02:13.37 | bzed | hatter: get an etch installer, try again, and *then* add the etch-proposed-updates, if you want to give etchnhalf a try. |
| 02:13.48 | click170 | I checked the bios, but it doesn't recognize it. |
| 02:13.52 | click170 | No error, but it doesn't show up anywhere, it only shows the old amount of ram before the upgrade |
| 02:14.15 | hatter | bzed, i installed with :install suite=etch |
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| 02:14.39 | bzed | hatter: ok, that's something different, of course ;) |
| 02:15.03 | bzed | hatter: although I'm wondering they there're lenny references in teh sources list then |
| 02:15.16 | bzed | hatter: what does dpkg -s libc6 | grep Version say ? |
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| 02:16.58 | dog | click170: do you have enough room to try different ram slots? |
| 02:17.58 | hatter | bzed, libc6, 2.7-10 |
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| 02:26.05 | click170 | dog: no those were the only two available slots |
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| 02:31.28 | MolePrince | Evening. I currently have a headless torrent server/client. Does it make any sense to set up one NIC for WAN and the other for LAN to balance its interface load? |
| 02:31.35 | dog | click170: :( check you seated them right, shuffle around all your RAM (see if your Motherboard manual says anything about it... eg might need to put it after larger RAM or in odd numbered slots if pairing), try in another machine to see if that recognises them. After all that you'd need to find out if its your RAM or your slots.... sorry probably ruined your afternoon.... |
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| 02:32.32 | dog | I don't mean odd numbered slots.... that makes no sense... |
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| 02:33.19 | dog | brb |
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| 02:33.38 | n-iCe | how do I remove a user, using a terminal |
| 02:33.55 | hatter | n-iCe, userdel user |
| 02:34.15 | n-iCe | hatter: weird, is not working |
| 02:34.36 | hatter | is user logged in >? |
| 02:34.46 | hatter | are you root ? |
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| 02:36.02 | Gm4n | what does it mean if top says "0.0%id, 97.7%wa"? |
| 02:36.37 | abrotman | things waiting .. man top |
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| 02:37.47 | Gm4n | thanks, abrotman. the man page for top is kinda scary ;) |
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| 02:37.57 | hatter | so it seems etchandahalf install using : install suite=etch installs libc6 2.7 |
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| 02:39.15 | n-iCe | hatter: yeah, thanks |
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| 02:47.25 | hedos | Flash on debian (or it might be all of linux) is terribly wrong, what's the deal? :o |
| 02:47.45 | hedos | It is very slow, it freezes my navigator or it crashes it. |
| 02:48.35 | abrotman | blame adobe |
| 02:50.16 | hedos | Can I do anything about it? |
| 02:50.33 | hedos | Any older but stable and efficient versions available? |
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| 02:54.24 | intr80_ | adobe's flash player is closed source. they've always been halfassed about it |
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| 02:55.23 | abrotman | it's gotten quite a bit worse in the last six months or so |
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| 02:57.36 | endra | hey |
| 02:57.55 | endra | how can I change my machine's hostname? |
| 02:58.23 | abrotman | !hostname |
| 02:58.24 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 02:58.48 | hatter | abrotman, have you used etchandahalf ? |
| 02:58.49 | endra | ty |
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| 02:59.32 | abrotman | no |
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| 03:00.19 | roe_ | is there a way to get debian to accept the hostname the dhcp server hands to it? |
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| 03:03.08 | turbolover | TWO FACE FALLS TO DEATH RACHEL GETS BLOWN UP JOKER DOESNT DIE |
| 03:03.09 | turbolover | TWO FACE KILLS A COUPKLE PEOPLE AND BATMAN TAKES THE BLAME TO PROTECT DENTS REP AT THE END |
| 03:03.37 | hatter | testing gets security updates ? |
| 03:03.40 | liable | turbolover: erm, is that neccesary? |
| 03:03.47 | turbolover | yes |
| 03:04.02 | liable | turbolover: go do it elsewhere then |
| 03:04.53 | liable | hatter: yes |
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| 03:26.59 | simard | does the NETINST binary supports xfs to install on ? |
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| 03:28.55 | liable | maybe the install guide mentions it |
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| 03:36.53 | cast | simard: i believe so |
| 03:37.13 | hatter | it appears that using the lenny netinst with :install suite=etch doesnt set the install to etch |
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| 03:37.59 | liable | if you start it in expert mode, it will also give you the choice of version |
| 03:38.52 | hatter | liable, the latest netinst should do this ? |
| 03:39.19 | hatter | this is the one i d/l'ed debian-lennybeta2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 03:39.43 | liable | hatter: yep |
| 03:39.50 | hatter | when i tried using expert mode it wouldnt detect the nics |
| 03:40.06 | liable | odd |
| 03:40.12 | hatter | yeah |
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| 03:42.21 | simard | is debian really shipping with kernel 2.6.18 ? |
| 03:43.00 | pickcoder | simard: yes Etch has 2.6.18 |
| 03:43.05 | simard | aww |
| 03:43.10 | pickcoder | !info linux-image-686 |
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| 03:43.14 | dpkg | linux-image-686: (Linux image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.25+14 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 03:43.17 | hatter | yep just tried again, expert mode failed to detect nics |
| 03:43.19 | pickcoder | med |
| 03:43.21 | pickcoder | meh even |
| 03:43.24 | pickcoder | !info linux-image-686 etch |
| 03:43.53 | dpkg | linux-image-686: (Linux kernel image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 03:44.25 | simard | crap... well I guess I will have to be wired during installation, my wifi wont work with this kernel |
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| 03:45.01 | liable | which card? |
| 03:45.32 | simard | Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN Network Connection |
| 03:45.33 | hatter | just expert mode with the business card d/l , wont detech nics |
| 03:45.40 | hatter | but standard mode does |
| 03:46.27 | liable | simard: that card needs firmware anyway. you could try the lenny installer, they added the capability to install firmware during detection |
| 03:46.30 | hatter | but standard mode is not installing with sute=etch |
| 03:46.35 | hatter | 'suite=etch' |
| 03:46.48 | simard | firmware ? |
| 03:46.58 | liable | yes |
| 03:47.08 | simard | my understanding is that modules have been integrated into the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 03:47.19 | simard | iwlwifi_mac80211 |
| 03:47.23 | liable | yes, but the card needs firmware |
| 03:47.36 | simard | you mean it needs to be flashed ? |
| 03:47.47 | liable | no, its loaded when the module loads |
| 03:48.27 | simard | ah, well it's working right now, I am unfamiliar with the term firmware when used to say loaded instead of flashed.. anyway |
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| 03:48.53 | simard | so lenny you say |
| 03:49.06 | heh_v_water | been trying in here for the last week to find the proper information for an issue I am having...All i am looking for is the name of the package that adds the gtk fonts and styles options to kde control center.. SOMEBODY must be using this.. any help would be greatly appreciated |
| 03:50.21 | simard | !info linux-image-686 lenny |
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| 03:50.54 | dpkg | linux-image-686: (Linux image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.25+14 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 03:53.31 | Tweak1029 | Can anybody tell me why Debian wouldn´t use my ralink rt2500 if it shows under lspci? |
| 03:54.26 | hatter | Tweak1029, maybe that driver is not in the vanilla kernel ? |
| 03:54.44 | heh_v_water | Tweak1029: rt2500 works flawlessly under debian.. i have one installed now |
| 03:54.59 | liable | depends which kernel he has i spose |
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| 03:55.11 | Tweak1029 | 2.6.18-6-486, I think. |
| 03:55.19 | heh_v_water | yah i'm not sure about newer kernels but I did have to use module assistant when I installed on this machine |
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| 03:55.50 | liable | !rt2500 |
| 03:55.58 | liable | meh |
| 03:56.02 | liable | !rt2x00 |
| 03:56.02 | dpkg | from memory, rt2x00 is a project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) providing drivers for most <Ralink> cards, and a set of drivers from that project. The rt2x00 drivers are available as (quite buggy) out-of-tree LKM-s in Etch, packaged as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Starting from lenny/Linux 2.6.24, rt2x00 is included in Linux. Also ask me about <ralink firmware>. |
| 03:56.10 | Tweak1029 | My ethernet card got burnt out in the last thunder storm, so I´m not sure if I´ve got the driver. |
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| 03:57.15 | heh_v_water | k so has to be installed on 2.6.18 kernel.. quickest way is with module assistant |
| 03:58.08 | Tweak1029 | Can you shed some light on what module assistant is|? |
| 03:58.45 | hatter | damn... the lenny installer in expert mode wont detect the nics but standard mode does... i just tried the daily snapshot after trying two others |
| 03:58.53 | heh_v_water | module assistant is a utility that prepares kernel source and kernel module sources for compiling and builds and installs the modules automatically |
| 03:59.28 | liable | hatter: cant you pick the module from the list? |
| 03:59.52 | hatter | liable, the menu doesnt give me the option |
| 04:00.10 | hatter | it gives me the option to install a driver from floppy |
| 04:02.03 | Tweak1029 | K, got the source (I think, the gzip anyway) from that site... |
| 04:02.10 | Tweak1029 | I´m gonna go see if I can install this one. |
| 04:02.37 | heh_v_water | Tweak1029: that is NOT how to do it properly |
| 04:02.56 | Tweak1029 | Eh... Compile |
| 04:03.11 | Tweak1029 | But what is:? |
| 04:03.22 | heh_v_water | goes liek this.. sec |
| 04:03.27 | Tweak1029 | K. |
| 04:04.13 | heh_v_water | you want debian packages rt2500-source, module-assistant, and probably build-essential |
| 04:04.19 | heh_v_water | and dependancies |
| 04:04.22 | heh_v_water | then you go |
| 04:04.24 | heh_v_water | m-a prepare |
| 04:04.27 | heh_v_water | then |
| 04:04.33 | heh_v_water | m-a a-i rt2500 |
| 04:04.41 | heh_v_water | if all goes well your done |
| 04:04.56 | Tweak1029 | Okay... |
| 04:05.06 | heh_v_water | that I believe is what they call "the debian way" |
| 04:05.31 | Tweak1029 | I´m guessing that those are packages which can be downloaded from debian.org, right? (Keep in mind that the internet doesn´t work on the computer I want it to.) |
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| 04:06.18 | heh_v_water | right.. if you have no access with the machine your gonna need the kernel headers for your kernel and some other packages too which should be listed in module-assistant dependancies |
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| 04:06.56 | path_ | anybody familiar with irc2html.scm ? |
| 04:07.02 | path_ | can't get how to use it |
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| 04:08.10 | path_ | it is owned by MJ |
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| 04:10.27 | enouf | hatter: if you know which modules they are, can't you switch to alt-f2, and modprobe them? |
| 04:10.47 | enouf | hatter: otherwise file an installation report .. maybe |
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| 04:16.20 | mordy | is there a way to run programs from the terminal whcih would *not* close after you close the terminal? |
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| 04:17.11 | dog | mordy: try screen or ( ( myCommand.sh & ) & ) |
| 04:17.28 | amine | How can I make it so that a user can only access his account (over ssh) using pub/priv key identification only? |
| 04:19.17 | mordy | thanks dog |
| 04:19.36 | mordy | mind explaining the syntax to me? |
| 04:22.14 | dog | mordy: read man screen and the other is just forking it twice |
| 04:23.24 | extor | etch doesn't have a mod_throttle package it seems |
| 04:24.25 | hatter | enouf, in expert mode it cant find the module |
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| 04:25.58 | enouf | hatter: even if you modprobe it? is it listed in /lib/module/`uname -r`/* ? i'm thinking for some reason it's missing? Are you doing like a netboot/usb boot/hd-media? or something? |
| 04:27.08 | enouf | mordy: and nohup, but screen is best http://wooledge.org:8000/ProcessManagement |
| 04:27.41 | enouf | extor: backports.org? |
| 04:29.03 | hatter | enouf, yes its a business card lenny install, trying to get etch onto newer hardware using etchandahalf |
| 04:29.32 | hatter | but failing... |
| 04:29.42 | enouf | hatter: ahh, businesscard.iso has not much ... |
| 04:29.47 | hatter | standard install detects nics |
| 04:29.55 | extor | enouf, lenny or sid don't have it either so how would the backport be available |
| 04:30.12 | hatter | but i need to use the etchandahalf |
| 04:30.20 | hatter | which is not working from standard install |
| 04:30.23 | enouf | hatter: hrm, report a bug, or ask debain-boot@lists.debian. org mailing list |
| 04:30.47 | enouf | extor: oh, then there's some issue with it |
| 04:31.08 | enouf | !why is mod_throttle not in testing |
| 04:31.08 | dpkg | mod_throttle is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mod_throttle |
| 04:31.41 | enouf | or is it named libapache2_mod_throttle :-P |
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| 04:31.50 | extor | No reason listed |
| 04:32.01 | enouf | find the correct pkgname |
| 04:32.25 | extor | well I did a search on throttle and came up with zip |
| 04:32.43 | extor | sighs |
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| 04:34.41 | enouf | well it appears it would've been named something like "libapache2-mod-auth-pam" but i guess not |
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| 04:35.06 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache search apache2 | grep module |
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| 04:35.49 | enouf | extor: ~$ apt-cache search apache2 | grep module | grep bandwidth |
| 04:35.49 | enouf | libapache2-mod-bw - bandwidth limiting module for apache2 |
| 04:35.53 | enouf | no good? |
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| 04:36.59 | enouf | extor: ~$ apt-cache show libapache2-mod-bw (note, i have lenny/sid repos though) |
| 04:37.09 | enouf | see packages.debian.org |
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| 04:38.45 | extor | Ahh so lenny has it but not Etch according to apt-cache |
| 04:39.36 | KineticBug | http://privatepaste.com/5eleD5f7s6 - What is doing that? I'm trying to start sbnc as the user sbnc :S |
| 04:39.40 | enouf | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481909 <-- changelog related note |
| 04:39.48 | extor | Hmm but there is of course no guarantee that backports has it for etch, generally speaking |
| 04:39.49 | enouf | extor: correct |
| 04:39.59 | enouf | right ,, that too |
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| 04:40.44 | NeowiN | #Egghelp |
| 04:40.48 | extor | might as well try out bandc instead it looks similar |
| 04:41.11 | enouf | you could backport it yourself, there sometimes there's reason why it wouldn't be, like needs the newer libc6 etc |
| 04:41.19 | enouf | i see, cband? |
| 04:41.57 | extor | bandc or whatever it was |
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| 04:42.50 | extor | It differs from libapache2-mod-cband in that it allows configuration of bandwidth controls for large files, and other slight variations on the configuration. |
| 04:43.08 | enouf | extor: i can read ;-) |
| 04:43.24 | extor | So not worth the hassle since all I really want to do is throttle each client to below 1 mbps at any given time |
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| 04:43.51 | enouf | hrm .. what's not worth what? |
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| 04:54.20 | amine | How can I make it so that a user can only access his account (over ssh) using pub/priv key identification only (no direct password)? |
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| 04:55.28 | liable | amine: i dont think you can do it for only one user |
| 04:55.36 | liable | its a global setting |
| 04:57.30 | amine | Ah, okay. The reason I ask is because I am tunneling subversion through ssh and they get a shell if they login using a password (which I don't want) |
| 04:57.48 | amine | Can I just change the shell to /bin/null ? |
| 04:58.05 | enouf | amine: or /bin/false or /bin/nologin ? |
| 04:58.10 | enouf | i'm not sure though |
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| 04:59.47 | amine | any alternatives to what I'm trying to do (brb making some hotdogs)? |
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| 05:00.42 | Winkie | i am looking for some advice. I'm trying to set up a VLC streaming server, which works, but my issue is I only want it to be running when people actually want to use it (it's very CPU intensive) |
| 05:01.33 | Winkie | i should be able to do this with something like inetd, but i would like it to be able to accept multiple connections while it's running. Ideally iptables would start it before passing the connection through and then simply pass everything else through |
| 05:01.40 | Winkie | but i don't think that's currently possible is it? :) |
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| 05:02.35 | cafuego | Winkie: You made my head hurt. |
| 05:02.55 | Winkie | cafuego: it is an intriguing problem, i might just resort to a simple perl script to tie it together |
| 05:03.35 | superlinux | the problem is that the arabic keymap is not the one that we use in chatting we use latin to write the arabic . and i hate it. the letter M in latin if u type with arabic map is not arabic M. there is a programmer who built a key map we arabs like. http://www1.architektur.tu-darmstadt.de/islam/ara/ |
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| 05:05.28 | eitan | quick question: what is the default owner for the /mnt directory itself? |
| 05:06.05 | Winkie | root probably |
| 05:06.14 | Winkie | root on my default etch |
| 05:06.20 | eitan | ok... thanks... |
| 05:06.47 | superlinux | Winkie: do u have any clue to my question? |
| 05:07.28 | Winkie | superlinux: i'm afraid not, I don't know anything about keymaps, I am luckily British |
| 05:07.42 | superlinux | heh |
| 05:07.46 | Winkie | sorry :) |
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| 05:08.24 | mefistofeles | how is xen status in the new lenny/sid kernels? |
| 05:08.30 | mefistofeles | is it available by default? |
| 05:08.50 | mefistofeles | I mean, its just installing the hypervisor and thats it? |
| 05:09.01 | cafuego | mefistofeles: i would expect not, i imagine you'd need to install a xen kernel. |
| 05:09.30 | superlinux | anyone knows how to build a keyboard keymap? |
| 05:09.31 | mefistofeles | cafuego, but theres no longer a xen image on repos |
| 05:10.28 | cafuego | mefistofeles: No xen then |
| 05:10.39 | mefistofeles | oh.. damn hehehe |
| 05:10.43 | mefistofeles | ok cafuego thx |
| 05:10.59 | cafuego | i would expect it to do kvm though |
| 05:11.14 | mefistofeles | I need xen, too bad |
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| 05:11.38 | cafuego | too, hence ubuntu |
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| 05:12.26 | mefistofeles | cafuego, what do you mean? using ubuntu for xen? |
| 05:13.33 | cafuego | mefistofeles: Yup |
| 05:14.02 | cafuego | then runs a bunch of debian domUs on that |
| 05:14.09 | mefistofeles | I tried today |
| 05:14.12 | mefistofeles | no good |
| 05:14.14 | mefistofeles | on ubuntu |
| 05:14.15 | mefistofeles | heh |
| 05:14.30 | mefistofeles | it stucks mountin the EXT3 debian FS |
| 05:14.42 | mefistofeles | though xm list list the debian VM |
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| 05:18.15 | s3a | "Please install the build and header files for your current linux kernel" can sum1 help me? |
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| 05:19.02 | cafuego | shiny++ |
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| 05:20.19 | cast | i have a 32bit version of debian installed in /mnt, how would i use that version of mplayer? |
| 05:20.35 | cafuego | dchroot is your friend, set it up and off you do |
| 05:21.22 | cast | investigating :) |
| 05:21.59 | mefistofeles | dchroot? whats the different with chroot? cafuego |
| 05:22.08 | mefistofeles | nvm man pages ftw! |
| 05:22.16 | cafuego | it's more magic ;-) |
| 05:22.28 | mefistofeles | I dont have dchroot lol |
| 05:22.56 | mefistofeles | they all have the same description hahaha... "Execute commands in a chroot enviroment" |
| 05:23.01 | mefistofeles | for dchroot or schroot, etc |
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| 05:25.29 | ootput | hi guys. i have a .texi file which is supposed to be documentation for a particular tool. How do i read this with the tex formating applied (ie without tex parameters |
| 05:25.49 | ootput | without seeing tex parameters, rather |
| 05:26.49 | cast | hmm |
| 05:26.51 | cast | progress |
| 05:27.03 | cast | now the screen gets flooded with failed to kill messages when trying to use mplayer :\ |
| 05:27.21 | jelly-home | ootput: makeinfo (texinfo package) will convert it to .info |
| 05:28.14 | cafuego | cast: You need bind mounts for /proc, /tmp, /dev and /home in that chroot. |
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| 05:29.26 | jelly-home | ootput: I think it can also produce html or man pages |
| 05:29.29 | cast | ah |
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| 05:31.17 | KineticBug | How can I test if my resolvers failing? |
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| 05:31.27 | ootput | jelly-home: can i use any other tool? |
| 05:32.01 | jelly-home | ootput: no idea |
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| 05:32.17 | ootput | i got a seg fault. i'm trying to paste it now |
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| 05:34.58 | Lagbolt | using nvidia 173.14.09 and with linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 my resume from hibernate no longer works. just comes up with blining underscore. anyone else have this trouble? only change was upgrade kern. with 24 kern works perfectly |
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| 05:35.20 | ootput | when running makeinfo on documentation on org-mode for emacs i get: http://pastebin.com/f3db7d18b |
| 05:35.34 | ootput | Lagbolt: yes, but not with nvidia |
| 05:35.39 | ootput | Lagbolt: xorg radeon drivers |
| 05:35.51 | ootput | prev kernel worked fine |
| 05:36.38 | Lagbolt | ootput, cool, just checking. i will have to try and hunt down some more info and try to find right people to report to |
| 05:37.26 | sladi | KineticBug: do you mean aptitude? |
| 05:37.52 | KineticBug | I'm not sure, sbnc is failing to resolve an ip from hostname, so is PHP |
| 05:37.57 | KineticBug | I'm at a loss |
| 05:38.36 | sladi | KineticBug: Oh I'm sorry, I can't help you, I thought about aptitude. ^^ |
| 05:38.41 | ootput | are the contents of resolv.conf correct? |
| 05:40.13 | KineticBug | I'm unsure what the contents should be... |
| 05:40.39 | sladi | you ca |
| 05:40.48 | sladi | n read man page IIRC |
| 05:41.05 | ootput | you can peruse your previous dhcp leases (if applicable) for then-working resolvers |
| 05:41.15 | ootput | and prepend them to resolv.conf via dhclient.conf |
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| 05:41.57 | KineticBug | Ok |
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| 05:42.41 | sladi | ootput: what do you mean exactly? (prepend to resolv.conf via dhcp.conf) |
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| 05:47.48 | eitan | exit |
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| 05:47.57 | martink | Hello all. I need to be able to send emails from my server. The emails will be sent from localhost only and I can't use any external smtp server. Which is the preferred way in debian to do this? Do I need a full blown MTA and only configure it to be able to send from localhost or are there other ways? |
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| 05:50.03 | streuner | !rube goldberg install |
| 05:50.03 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 05:50.51 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 05:52.27 | intr80_ | sounds like a challenge |
| 05:52.32 | intr80_ | i recommend a jtag. |
| 05:54.39 | streuner | martink: whats the problem? |
| 05:54.49 | streuner | martink: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 05:55.19 | streuner | Debian's default MTA is exim, it should already installed |
| 05:55.31 | martink | streuner: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
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| 05:55.57 | k1lumin4t1 | I just set up my partitioning scheme using LVM and this is what fdisk outputs: http://pastebin.ca/1078131. is it an actual problem or just fdisk failing? |
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| 05:56.51 | streuner | martink: so why not just using exim? |
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| 05:57.33 | enouf | k1lumin4t1: hi, try #LVM also (i just also mentioned it on to you on oftc.net ;-) ) |
| 05:57.44 | k1lumin4t1 | enouf, soure. Just entered there |
| 05:57.48 | k1lumin4t1 | enouf, thanks :) |
| 05:57.57 | k1lumin4t1 | *sure |
| 05:57.59 | enouf | k1lumin4t1: i try ;-) |
| 05:58.00 | streuner | !listkeys multipe |
| 05:58.02 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'multipe' by key returned no results. |
| 05:58.10 | streuner | !listkeys multiple |
| 05:58.11 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'multiple' by key (4): x-multiple ;; multiple default gw ;; gpg sign multiple files ;; multiple ask. |
| 05:58.14 | enouf | add an l |
| 05:58.15 | martink | streuner: THe server is a Virtuozzo VPS which debian template apparently comes with sendmail-msp installed to be able to send emails. The problem is this sendmail installation seems to be correct. The service provider gives me free hands. I am not knowledgable about debian, but prefer to use whatever is "best" supported on the platform |
| 05:58.16 | enouf | :-P |
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| 05:58.25 | streuner | !multiple ask |
| 05:58.26 | dpkg | i guess multiple ask is the chance of you getting a useful answer is inversely proportional to the square of the number of times you ask in a short amount of time: that is, if you ask four times in succession, you're 1/16 as likely to get a useful answer. Also, please don't ask both in freenode and oftc at the same time there's no real point in doing so and it's just annoying. |
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| 05:58.52 | enouf | streuner: stop that crap |
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| 05:59.16 | streuner | enouf: enough! |
| 05:59.20 | enouf | streuner: when no one responds in one place, it's fine to ask in other places ;-) |
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| 05:59.55 | enouf | get your shit straight before jumping the gun - god i hate when people do that ... but ok, you're generally not a b0z0 and we all make mistakes |
| 06:00.42 | enouf | i'm guilty though too .. of jumping the gun .. at times, so .. whatever |
| 06:00.44 | martink | streuner: Ok, if that is what debian comes with, I'll just give it a go then |
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| 06:00.50 | enouf | heathen: dickwad |
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| 06:01.00 | enouf | !ops heathen is an asshole |
| 06:01.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: enouf complains about: heathen is an asshole |
| 06:01.01 | heathen | haha |
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| 06:01.23 | KineticBug | Who's laughing now |
| 06:01.25 | KineticBug | lol. |
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| 06:01.40 | elkbuntu | he is still. he got the reaction he wanted. |
| 06:01.44 | elkbuntu | in both cases |
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| 06:01.57 | cjae | no fspot in debian? |
| 06:02.02 | enouf | Mr_Deffy: fix your router's firmware or connect on aa diff port (not 6667) |
| 06:02.14 | enouf | xsdg: fix your router's firmware or connect on aa diff port (not 6667) |
| 06:02.15 | streuner | !+tell cjae -about search |
| 06:02.15 | dpkg | told cjae about search. |
| 06:02.15 | cjae | !fspot |
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| 06:02.42 | streuner | enouf: what crap did you smoke today? |
| 06:03.03 | enouf | HockeyInJune: fix your router's firmware or connect on aa diff port (not 6667) |
| 06:03.16 | enouf | pyz: fix your router's firmware or connect on aa diff port (not 6667) |
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| 06:04.04 | enouf | jbinder: fix your router's firmware or connect on aa diff port (not 6667) .. ok LAST one i'm fucken doing - i guesss i should've done (many in) PM |
| 06:04.19 | liable | streuner: what do you mean? its a known router issue that lets that hack work |
| 06:04.44 | streuner | liable: heh, i remember that linksys stuff |
| 06:05.03 | liable | yeah, its linksys iirc |
| 06:05.11 | streuner | evil |
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| 06:05.24 | DogBoy | oh |
| 06:05.53 | cjae | streuner, sorry I forgot to not search it without the space/hyphen |
| 06:06.02 | sladi | I want to install grub to a grub to the boot-partition instead of mbr in rescue mode of the installer. It says '/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly'. |
| 06:06.17 | streuner | liable: i respond to the "multiple ask" issue... |
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| 06:06.39 | liable | streuner: oh, apoligies |
| 06:07.03 | enouf | streuner: why did you trigger the multiple ask? |
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| 06:07.44 | enouf | streuner: if it didn't pertain to k1lumin4t1 then i too misunderstood and apologize - but next time .. please send it to the intended party ;-) |
| 06:07.55 | streuner | enouf: its never helpful when somebody ask in multiple channels |
| 06:08.12 | enouf | streuner: why did you trigger the multiple ask? <-- please answer |
| 06:08.15 | liable | has no idea what you guys are on about |
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| 06:09.10 | sladi | I have XP too I want to install grub to a grub to the boot-partition instead of mbr in rescue mode of the installer. It says '/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly'. |
| 06:09.12 | enouf | streuner: i can agree with your statement ONLY if "simultaneously" is included in that ... |
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| 06:10.04 | liable | sladi: i guess you need to reinstall the grub package so the files get rewritten. |
| 06:10.33 | sladi | liable: thanks! :) |
| 06:10.54 | liable | hopefully that fixes it.. |
| 06:11.36 | streuner | enouf: sure |
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| 06:13.42 | enouf | sladi: see if passing it the --root-directory=/boot (hd0,X) works, where X is the partition number of /boot - use 'mount' to see .. otherwise, --root-directory=/mnt (or parent of where /boot is mounted) |
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| 06:14.02 | enouf | streuner: ok ;-) .. |
| 06:14.50 | streuner | enouf: can answer now my question? |
| 06:14.55 | streuner | you* |
| 06:15.08 | enouf | which was? |
| 06:15.22 | enouf | oh ,,, i smoked j0'm0mma :-) |
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| 06:23.55 | martink | How do you remove left-over files from the system after apt-get has removed them? I have tried apt-get --purge <package> and dkpg --purge <package> but it only says that the package is not installed. However not all files have been removed. I briefly looked through the debian install/unistall package documentation and google but it only refers to the --purge option. |
| 06:25.40 | enouf | yeah dpkg -P usually .. but well - might run apt-get clean (or autoclean) and look into deborphan and debfoster |
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| 06:26.43 | enouf | and then look into using aptitude from then on perhaps .. |
| 06:26.54 | peterS | besides it being non-free? |
| 06:27.04 | enouf | huh? lmao |
| 06:27.14 | peterS | not a response to you, sorry |
| 06:27.15 | enouf | !wb peterS |
| 06:27.15 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! peterS has returned! |
| 06:27.24 | enouf | ok ;-) |
| 06:28.29 | sladi | liable: Thanks, but unfortunately it would work. I tried grub -partition option but got a bshell error. I'll try to reinstall and specify the partition immedeately this time. :) |
| 06:29.38 | enouf | sladi: see if you can use the grub shell itself and as easy as http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 06:30.11 | sladi | enouf: It wouldn't start but I'll try again if needed. |
| 06:30.38 | enouf | sladi: in grub shell "find /boot/grub/stage1" |
| 06:30.58 | enouf | sladi: in rescue mode, it's different, things are mounted ro and stuff |
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| 06:32.57 | enouf | there's also a --recheck option ,, and what i mentioned prior about --root-directory= is specific to "grub-install" .. not for use in the grub shell, AFAIK (and not needed) |
| 06:33.53 | JyZyXEL | how big is grub btw? |
| 06:34.17 | sladi | enouf: --root-directory= I tried it but it wouldn't work because I have a sepereate /boot partition which doesn't have a /boot/ subdirectory. |
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| 06:37.22 | enouf | sladi: grub-install --root-directory=/boot /dev/hda <-- as an example http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-using-grub_002dinstall.html |
| 06:38.08 | mordy | hmmm... it appears that my X is resorting to some form of "enhanced" vesa driver |
| 06:38.14 | sladi | enouf: I did thatbut it comlained about the missing /boot/ dir |
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| 06:39.14 | enouf | sladi: it should be mounted at /boot in that example, read what that doc says .. mount /boot /some/where , then use --root-directory=/some/where |
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| 06:39.51 | enouf | sladi: that's all grub-install specific .. easiest is the shell .. really |
| 06:40.21 | enouf | mordy: enhanced is good ;-) |
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| 06:42.12 | enouf | make your own grub floppy or cd ;-) http://orgs.man.ac.uk/documentation/grub/grub_3.html |
| 06:42.42 | sladi | enouf: I reinstalled and specified the device for grub-install and it seems to work. I have grub on the boot partition. :) |
| 06:43.06 | enouf | sladi: you da man \o/ |
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| 06:43.45 | sladi | Thanks. I guess I should have redone grub only in the installer. :) |
| 06:43.47 | mordy | enouf - it's not very 'enhanced' - it's horrible, but seems to support 1440x900 |
| 06:44.08 | martink | enouf: Thanks, I tried apt-get clean and checked for the package with deborphan/foster but am unable to get rid of the files. dpkg/apt-get thinks the package is removed, but it is clearly not. I am not sure how aptitude would help me here? |
| 06:44.50 | enouf | martink: well, which files are we talking about? the pkgmanager will never remove $HOME files |
| 06:45.26 | enouf | mordy: well, how do you know it's vesa? and are you in X, and which one should it be using? |
| 06:46.00 | enouf | mordy: ok, you did say X .. |
| 06:46.13 | mordy | enouf - the log confuses me truly - i should be using an intel driver, and that's what i have in my xorg.conf - i'm using lenny which produces a rather slim xorg.conf |
| 06:46.16 | enouf | mordy: lspci | grep VGA |
| 06:46.21 | enouf | mordy: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
| 06:46.41 | enouf | correct |
| 06:46.54 | mordy | so maybe whatever i'm putting in there is being overriden by something else |
| 06:47.02 | mordy | enoug - intel 915GM |
| 06:47.13 | enouf | mordy: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'intel|vesa' |
| 06:48.04 | enouf | mordy: grep drv /var/log/Xorg.0.log | egrep 'intel|vesa|i8' even |
| 06:48.04 | martink | enouf: On the VPS I got, sendmail was installed, but somehow corrupted. THe suggestion was to install exim instead. so: apt-get install exim4, this apparently removed sendmail and sendmail related files, however, sendmail files (such as start-up scripts, cron-jobs and configuration files) still exits. I tried to remove them with apt-get --purge and dpkg --purge but it only says. Package sendmail is not installed |
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| 06:49.17 | mordy | enough - only a single line - loading the intel_drv.so |
| 06:49.38 | enouf | martink: ok .. well easiest is to reinstall sendmail - then use apt-get --purge remove <pkg> .. or use aptitude to install/remove .. sorry .. not a pro on these issues |
| 06:50.24 | mordy | maybe the intel is using its own non-accelerated vesa |
| 06:50.24 | enouf | mordy: ok .. so it's being used, not vesa |
| 06:50.48 | martink | enouf: fair enough, I'll try some stuff |
| 06:50.51 | mordy | here's the log http://paste.lisp.org/display/63992 |
| 06:50.55 | enouf | mordy: you'd have to pastebin output of entire log and your xorg.conf .. but also i'm not saying i can fix it |
| 06:51.44 | mordy | hehe, i'm just trying to figure out where the problem is. it's an intel chip from 2006 - and pretty common. it must be something in the configuration |
| 06:51.54 | enouf | martink: another option is "/msg dpkg confmiss" then purge .. however, since you're going to remove/purge anyway .. |
| 06:52.34 | wols_ | enouf: drmOpenDevice: open result is -1, (No such device or address) |
| 06:52.51 | wols_ | mordy: is the intel kernel DRM driver loaded? |
| 06:53.13 | mordy | hmm.. how do i check? modprobe intel? |
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| 06:54.11 | enouf | mordy: oh .. pastebin dpkg -l libgl1-mesa-* |
| 06:54.42 | wols_ | enouf: that one's pretty much always installed |
| 06:54.59 | wols_ | mordy: it's i915 |
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| 06:55.39 | mordy | wols - modprobe i915 doesn't return any problems |
| 06:55.40 | wols_ | hmmm, log says it gets loadd |
| 06:56.12 | mordy | enouf - http://paste.lisp.org/display/63992#1 |
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| 06:56.38 | mordy | the graphics *look* fine - but the performance is horrible, and for some reason i think it's causing xorg to swallow my entire CPU |
| 06:56.50 | s3a | y does debian included non free stuff in the kernel if it claims to be a follower of the freedom theory |
| 06:56.52 | wols_ | mordy: how is the driver horrible? you run the proper one at apparntly it's all well |
| 06:57.22 | enouf | mordy: you need to use a real pastebin please |
| 06:57.44 | wols_ | s3a: when the issue first came up etch was along too far to release to change it all. so a decision was made to postpone it for etch but doe lenny wholly free |
| 06:57.46 | enouf | !paste |
| 06:57.46 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 06:57.47 | mordy | enouf - what do you mean real pastebin? a different site? |
| 06:57.52 | enouf | yes |
| 06:58.39 | s3a | wols_: do*? so the debian release this september will be as free as gnewsense for example? |
| 06:59.13 | mordy | enouf - http://paste.debian.net/11944/plain/11944 - better? |
| 06:59.15 | wols_ | mordy: run the command LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo and paste its output |
| 06:59.31 | enouf | wols_: that's quite friggin excellent english you wrote there ;-) |
| 06:59.35 | enouf | wholly :-) |
| 06:59.49 | wols_ | s3a: supposedly. but if you think lenny comes out in september I have a bridge in brooklyn leading to a beach to sell to you. heck a dozen bridges |
| 07:00.02 | enouf | mordy: much |
| 07:00.29 | s3a | wols_: wait its not coming in september?? debian site says its not said yet but wikipedia says september |
| 07:00.31 | enouf | mordy: ok, they are installed .. nothing there .. |
| 07:00.44 | enouf | mordy: lsmod | grep 915 |
| 07:00.55 | enouf | mordy: will show you if it's loaded |
| 07:01.03 | mordy | wols - glxinfo - not found |
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| 07:01.12 | wols_ | !installit |
| 07:01.12 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 07:01.15 | enouf | mordy: you can use -v with modprobe next time |
| 07:01.37 | mordy | oh |
| 07:02.08 | enouf | s3a: better get them bugs fixed then |
| 07:02.22 | mordy | install glxinfo? |
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| 07:02.31 | enouf | mordy: ofcourse |
| 07:02.40 | mordy | couldn't find package :( |
| 07:02.56 | enouf | apt-cache search mordy |
| 07:03.12 | enouf | !tell mordy -about search |
| 07:03.24 | mordy | doh. i know, i'm just slow today :( |
| 07:03.42 | s3a | enouf: does debian have a 18 month release schedule or a wen we're ready we release approach |
| 07:03.56 | eitan | I'm having trouble accessing a mounted ntfs drive as a user... I made the appropriate fstab entry but when I try to access it it says "permission denied" |
| 07:04.02 | enouf | yeah, i saw you going for marathons yesterday , iinm |
| 07:04.05 | eitan | how do I fix that? |
| 07:04.27 | enouf | s3a: release critical bugs must == 0 |
| 07:04.31 | mordy | ahh.. it's under mesa-utils, no wonder |
| 07:04.35 | enouf | !wwlr |
| 07:04.36 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
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| 07:05.06 | enouf | !ntfsrw |
| 07:05.06 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 07:05.33 | eitan | I don't want r/w access ... just read access... |
| 07:05.43 | enouf | use ntfsmount then |
| 07:05.57 | eitan | enouf: not an entry in fstab? |
| 07:05.58 | s3a | is dpkg a bot? |
| 07:06.01 | enouf | !ntfsro |
| 07:06.01 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 07:06.05 | mordy | wols_ here is the output http://paste.debian.net/11945/plain/11945 |
| 07:06.18 | joltcan | s3a: yes |
| 07:06.31 | enouf | dpkg: what are you? |
| 07:06.31 | dpkg | I am a infobot. For more info see <infobot> |
| 07:06.33 | s3a | joltcan: o cuz it sounds a bit human lol |
| 07:06.47 | eitan | what's the gid? |
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| 07:06.54 | enouf | eitan: id -u |
| 07:07.00 | s3a | ok so bottom line: debian lenny aims to be released september but if there are still bugs the release will be postponed? |
| 07:07.11 | enouf | eitan: sorry |
| 07:07.32 | enouf | eitan: id <== will show UID and GID == group id |
| 07:07.32 | mordy | hmm.. looking at the output myself, it seems to be ok - i wouldn't know - but it seems fine. maybe something else is slowing down my graphics - but what else can affect it? |
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| 07:08.03 | joltcan | s3a: Of course. so install the current stable and upgrade it once lenny is released |
| 07:08.35 | eitan | enouf: my fstab entry is: /dev/hdb1 /mnt/c ntfs user,auto 0 0 |
| 07:08.35 | eitan | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:08.42 | s3a | joltcan: k, ill do that cuz i was waiting for lenny to come out |
| 07:08.51 | s3a | joltcan: cuz im using ubuntu atm |
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| 07:09.39 | enouf | eitan: i'm pretty sure you do - add uid=1000,gid=1000,ro,fmask=0 |
| 07:09.39 | sladi | mordy: Is X itself slow? 3d isn't fast with that chip I'd guess. |
| 07:09.50 | streuner | dpkg, no debstats is <reply> debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
| 07:09.50 | enouf | eitan: i'm pretty sure you do - add uid=1000,gid=1000,ro,fmask=0333,umask=0222 |
| 07:09.50 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 07:10.39 | mordy | sladi - i expect x to be at least as fast as windoze - and the chip is certainly not as horrible inherently as to make the CPU fan roar. maybe it's a CPU problem, but X hogs between 10-70% of CPU |
| 07:10.42 | enouf | eitan: there's also a dmask= option - see man mount and man ntfsmount i guess |
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| 07:11.55 | enouf | eitan: obviously uid= and gid= should be correct , 1000 happens to be 1st system default user |
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| 07:12.47 | mordy | sladi - while i have a computer right besides this one which has a slower processor and a comparable intel chipset (945) in which X takes up 5% -25% |
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| 07:14.49 | enouf | isn't the 945 vastly superior to the 915 ? |
| 07:15.25 | mordy | enouf - from what i've seen on windoze, not really |
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| 07:15.37 | mordy | i think it's the 965 that everyone's raving about |
| 07:15.50 | enouf | hrm .. one sec |
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| 07:16.12 | mordy | not to mention that this chip takes 64 MB while the 915 takes 128 - |
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| 07:16.40 | sladi | mordy: I'd put a cheap nvidia in there and be done with it. ^^ |
| 07:16.51 | mordy | sladi - it's a tiny laptop |
| 07:17.10 | mordy | ...with no screen and an external display ;-) |
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| 07:18.32 | sladi | mordy: goog luck! I'd blame the driver. |
| 07:19.06 | snadge | im trying to install a debian based system onto a 64bit opensuse xen server.. unfortunately the documentation for debootstrap that i have found, isn't very specific for what i'd like to do |
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| 07:19.47 | mordy | hehe, i wonder if there's anything else to check on. i'm thinking this is a CPU problem - but how to find out? my sound is choppy as well |
| 07:19.58 | snadge | eg.. all documentation for debootstrap assumes you're using a debian based system to build another debian based system.. which is fine.. so im assuming that the options --foreign and --second-stage will be useful for what i want to do.. but i cant find documentation which explains this |
| 07:20.32 | mordy | or it could be that graphics are hogging up so many resources thatit hampers the sound |
| 07:20.48 | enouf | http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ204.htm#i915G http://www.mikeshardware.co.uk/RoadmapQ205.htm#Intel i945P mordy |
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| 07:21.51 | enouf | "Compared to the GMA900 in the i915G chipset GMA950 runs at a faster (400Mhz compared to GMA900's 333Mhz) and adds support for anisotropic filtering. The addition of DDR2 667 memory also improves the available memory bandwidth to 10.9GB/sec (compared to 8.5GB/sec in the i915G), which the GMA950 can utilise" |
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| 07:22.20 | snadge | no debootstrap gurus present i take it? :P |
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| 07:22.53 | eitan | enouf: ok... I added those options... should I use the root to create mount point directories in /mnt ? |
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| 07:24.01 | enouf | eitan: well, for ro, not sure that matters, but for rw, i create them, then chown myuser /mnt/dir |
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| 07:24.22 | enouf | eitan: btw, i never used ntfs, only vfat |
| 07:24.27 | mordy | enouf - where can i find the statistics on my computer? the chip isn't 945G - it's GME |
| 07:24.41 | cast | yeah....managed to screw up my video out using dchroot :( |
| 07:24.42 | eitan | enouf: I'll try that... |
| 07:24.51 | enouf | mordy: well, google and intel ;-) |
| 07:25.25 | enouf | cast: gah, schroot replaces dchroot |
| 07:25.39 | cast | enouf: :( |
| 07:25.48 | enouf | :-{ |
| 07:25.57 | cast | enouf: earlier this afternoon someone recommended dchroot :< |
| 07:26.12 | enouf | oh dear .. hrm .. |
| 07:26.14 | cast | and dpkg didn't have a dchroot factoid so i did it! |
| 07:26.41 | enouf | cast: schroot shares most of its options with dchroot, but offers vastly more functionality. |
| 07:26.54 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/schroot |
| 07:27.00 | cast | alrighty then. |
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| 07:28.05 | mordy | enouf - i mean how do i tell exactly which chipset i'm using? you saw the lsmod output |
| 07:28.18 | JyZyXEL | the lifetime for a one normal flash memory cell is 10k r/w actions |
| 07:28.22 | mordy | it's either 915GM/PM/GMS/910GML |
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| 07:28.24 | enouf | mordy: lspci -vvv as root -- or xorg log |
| 07:28.32 | JyZyXEL | not very hard to destroy a flash drive |
| 07:28.47 | enouf | (--) PCI: (0:2:1) Intel Corporation Mobile 915GM/GMS/910GML Express Graphics Controller rev 3, Mem @ 0x6c000000/19 |
| 07:29.10 | enouf | mordy: dude, OEM play games with chipsets man .. dodn'tcha know? |
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| 07:29.51 | mordy | yeah yeah :p |
| 07:30.06 | mordy | gah, the wrong driver is loaded - i'm certain - 66Mhz? wtf? |
| 07:31.18 | enouf | huh? |
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| 07:31.29 | mordy | false alarm, sorry |
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| 07:31.35 | enouf | ArtVandalae: Kramer! |
| 07:31.39 | brahmana | Hello |
| 07:31.48 | ArtVandalae | enouf, ;) |
| 07:31.57 | brahmana | I have been trying to find a debian package for gtk+ v2.10 |
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| 07:32.00 | wols_ | mordy: which task is eating all CPU? |
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| 07:32.03 | brahmana | I am unable to find that version. |
| 07:32.08 | wols_ | brahmana: does not exist for etch |
| 07:32.12 | wols_ | !firefox 3 etch |
| 07:32.12 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 07:32.32 | mordy | Xorg, metacity |
| 07:32.45 | wols_ | metacity? wow |
| 07:32.52 | nocti | hello, i have a collection of files with some similar parts in the filename, how can i move each file to a directory with the name of the dir coming from the string in the filename that differentiates the files? like filename-travel-n.jpg filename-trip-n.jpg, i want to mkdir "travel" and "trip" as i move the files that belong to them inside their dirs. |
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| 07:33.12 | nocti | hope that was clear :) |
| 07:34.07 | mordy | wols_ - a simple minimization of a window can bring xorg+metacity (combined) to eat 40% of CPU |
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| 07:36.25 | eitan | enouf: adding this line to fstab didn't work. /dev/hdb1 /mnt/c ntfs ro,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=0333,umask=user,auto 0 0 |
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| 07:36.36 | eitan | enouf: during boot it said that it failed to mount... |
| 07:36.52 | ArtVandalae | nocti, use regular expressions... you'll most likely need to write a script, or a convoluted single command :D |
| 07:36.58 | enouf | brahmana: libgtk2.0-0 - The GTK+ graphical user interface librar |
| 07:37.03 | eitan | enouf: I see my mistake... duh... sorry |
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| 07:37.08 | nocti | ArtVandalae, looks like yeah |
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| 07:37.15 | enouf | brahmana: etch's version is lower as mentioned |
| 07:37.27 | brahmana | enouf, yes.. precisely.. thats what I saw |
| 07:37.37 | snadge | am i wrong to try and install debian on an opensuse xen server? |
| 07:38.15 | enouf | wols_: gtk+2.10 wouldn't be backported? because it needs newer libc6? |
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| 07:38.38 | snadge | i would greatly appreciate some help from someone who understands debootstrap |
| 07:38.58 | brahmana | enouf, As it might be apparent, I am trying to build FF3 and hence looking for a v2.10 package |
| 07:39.34 | enouf | brahmana: well, you need more than etch .. or a backport or a few ;-) |
| 07:39.57 | enouf | !tell brahmana about backports.orf |
| 07:40.00 | enouf | !tell brahmana about backports.org |
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| 07:41.13 | mordy | enouf - this computer is running lenny - would that make a difference? |
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| 07:41.17 | zrin | I, root, get "permission denied" no matter what I try with -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root /etc/init.d/rc I've noticed this in the backup log. What could be the reason? |
| 07:41.17 | eitan | enouf: it worked! Thank you very much! |
| 07:41.32 | enouf | eitan: cool, np ;-) |
| 07:41.35 | et | when you start replacing essential libs like that, you could as well run testing ... |
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| 07:41.59 | Guerin | or you could run failix |
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| 07:42.23 | enouf | mordy: erm, well .. lenny's Xorg will be updated over Etch's it's the autodetection crap and new upstream crap that's a PITA atm |
| 07:42.23 | Guerin | the distro which belnds the stability of gentoo with the ease-of-use of slackware! |
| 07:42.31 | eitan | bye all |
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| 07:42.52 | brahmana | enouf, This is what I understand about backports: The new developments done for a release next to etch are changed to work with etch and these are presented as etch-backports. Am I right? |
| 07:43.18 | enouf | brahmana: sounds good |
| 07:43.38 | brahmana | The release next to etch is lenny, right? |
| 07:43.44 | enouf | righto |
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| 07:43.59 | enouf | !tell brahmana about releases |
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| 07:44.01 | brahmana | ok.. it all makes sense to me now.. |
| 07:44.17 | mordy | gah, what can i do? my CPU fan is roaring right now like it never has before. and i'm not even doing anything :( anything to see in more detail whether it's really the graphics or something else? |
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| 07:44.53 | enouf | mylvari: maybe it's your xorg.conf missing some modules loading? did you ever paste the xorg.conf? |
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| 07:45.02 | enouf | gah mordy i mean, not mylvari |
| 07:45.12 | brahmana | enouf, Lenny-testing has gtk v2.12, so will the etch-backports have that itself or v2.10 may be available? |
| 07:45.34 | enouf | brahmana: you'll have to look |
| 07:46.07 | peppe | mordy: maybe you haven't cpufreq enabled |
| 07:46.08 | brahmana | enouf, so it is possible that someone might come up with a v2.10 package for etch... |
| 07:46.39 | enouf | brahmana: you can't just install one lenny pkg like that ... not with something like what you want .. -- that all depends - not EVERYTHING can nor should be backported |
| 07:47.20 | brahmana | enouf, Yes. I understand that. I was just talking about the possibilities. |
| 07:47.31 | brahmana | likes to be hopeful. |
| 07:47.33 | peppe | brahmana: right and simple, don't use etch |
| 07:47.55 | brahmana | peppe, Thats the organizational restriction. I am all for upgrade. |
| 07:48.07 | enouf | You have searched for packages that names contain libgtk2.0-0 in suite(s) etch-backports, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 07:48.31 | brahmana | enouf, I went through that before approaching you people. :-( |
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| 07:48.46 | zrin | I get, as root, "permission denied" or "operation not permited" no matter what I try with -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root /etc/init.d/rc I've noticed this in the backup log. What could be the reason? |
| 07:49.39 | peppe | brahmana: try recompiling a lenny/sid src deb, but of course it may need other lenny/sid stuff. chroot? virtualization? |
| 07:49.43 | enouf | brahmana: ok |
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| 07:49.52 | peppe | zrin: what are you trying to do? |
| 07:50.13 | enouf | brahmana: i only see one remotely related backport, http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=etch-backports&searchon=names&keywords=gtk2-engines |
| 07:50.20 | enouf | and it's still using 2.8 |
| 07:50.45 | zrin | peppe: get rid of that error message in the backup log; check what is wrong with that file and/or permissions |
| 07:51.04 | peppe | zrin: I mean, what are you doing with that file? |
| 07:51.11 | peppe | executing it? copying it? |
| 07:51.20 | zrin | peppe: backing up (/bin/tar: ./etc/init.d/rc: Cannot utime: Operation not permitted) |
| 07:51.42 | zrin | peppe: copying contents and meta information |
| 07:51.50 | enouf | brahmana: when a pkg like that requires the functions in the system wide libc6, backporting is usually out of the question .. or it makes no sense to at that point |
| 07:52.11 | snadge | you bastards.. how dare you make me figure stuff out myself ;) .. you can simply copy debootstrap from debian onto opensuse.. and it works as expected |
| 07:52.20 | enouf | s/in the system wide libc6/of a newer system wide libc6 |
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| 07:52.28 | snadge | of course, theres no prepackaged version of this for opensuse.. because suse people are stupid and dont want to install debian |
| 07:53.12 | peppe | zrin: utime...? it seems that he is *changing* the timestamp of that file. tar just needs stat(2) to read the timestamps... |
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| 07:53.20 | brahmana | enouf, I thought so. |
| 07:53.43 | zrin | peppe: tar is (re)setting access time after it reads the file |
| 07:53.58 | brahmana | enouf, Is there a place to look up what version of kernel was shipped with the various releases? |
| 07:54.32 | peppe | zrin: --atime-preserve ? |
| 07:54.33 | zrin | peppe: otherwise, all files would have access time changed during backup |
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| 07:54.39 | zrin | peppe: right |
| 07:54.42 | enouf | brahmana: shipped? .. well , etch had/has 2.6.18-x where x has been slowly upgraded |
| 07:54.43 | brahmana | I do not need the precise version number, I just want to know when the shift to 2.6 kernel happened. |
| 07:55.00 | brahmana | What about sarge? |
| 07:55.07 | brahmana | I know woody has 2.4.* |
| 07:55.10 | enouf | brahmana: oh, well Sarge offered 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 |
| 07:55.31 | brahmana | ok.. |
| 07:55.37 | enouf | it was the person installing choice |
| 07:55.48 | enouf | brahmana: one sec |
| 07:55.58 | brahmana | enouf, yes. |
| 07:56.00 | enouf | !dbse |
| 07:56.00 | dpkg | well, dbse is well; 'dbse' is Differences Between Sarge and Etch: what's New In Etch? see http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch. Etch is now Stable! (4.0r3) ; ask me about <Today> for more (be sure to check out the "errata" too). Etch errata/docs/images here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ ..also see http://www.ducea.com/2006/10/10/debian-etch-kernels/ for some other major diffs betwen Sarge and Etch |
| 07:56.00 | peppe | zrin: that sounds pretty strange... |
| 07:56.01 | zrin | peppe: I tried renaming that file or changing permissions etc, but I always get "permission denied" |
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| 07:56.27 | peppe | zrin: what if you strace tar? |
| 07:56.31 | enouf | brahmana: see that last url specifically |
| 07:57.13 | mordy | hmm... how do i find out my CPU's current frequency then? |
| 07:57.29 | brahmana | enouf, Thats useful |
| 07:57.36 | lymeca | I know this is an evil question... and I probably shouldn't ask it... but is there a general timeframe that exists for lenny becoming stable? Any pointers? |
| 07:57.37 | enouf | mordy: cat /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 07:57.49 | et | mordy: cpufreq-info |
| 07:58.11 | brahmana | enouf, Thank you very much all the info. I will now ponder more about my gtk problem and see if I can get gtk+ 2.10 building on my machine and finally build FF3. |
| 07:58.42 | enouf | brahmana: np ;-) |
| 07:59.10 | brahmana | enouf, I will be back here if I am stuck with stuff. The help provided was overwhelming and might make me a little lazy... ;-) |
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| 07:59.59 | enouf | i'll be either drunk or passed out ,or both |
| 08:00.16 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:00.27 | brahmana | is fine with the first state... :) |
| 08:00.50 | brahmana | enouf, BTW, where are you located? |
| 08:00.53 | zrin | peppe: I'll do strace chmod u+rwx rc ... stat("rc", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0755, st_size=8101, ...}) = 0; chmod("rc", 0755) = -1 EPERM (Operation not permitted) |
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| 08:02.10 | mordy | hmmm.. cpufreq-info shows everything as normal |
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| 08:05.12 | enouf | brahmana: the big apple area |
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| 08:06.26 | DawnLight | hi !all |
| 08:06.34 | mordy | hello DawnLight |
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| 08:13.09 | mordy | i'm trying to do debconf -p=low (or ="Low", =low, ="low" etc...) debxconf - but am getting "can't call method "exists" on an undefined value at usr... |
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| 08:17.27 | DawnLight | mordy: -plow |
| 08:17.34 | DawnLight | or -p low |
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| 08:18.14 | rohan | the version of eclipse in debian is very very old. is there any specific reason for this? is eclipse difficult to package? |
| 08:21.43 | DawnLight | !eclipse |
| 08:21.44 | dpkg | well, eclipse is the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
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| 08:22.35 | mordy | DawnLight - now it just returns nothing :-? - hmm... |
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| 08:27.33 | DawnLight | mordy: if you want your debconf priority to be low, dpkg-reconfigure debconf and choose it |
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| 08:29.00 | Guerin | rohan: i guess nobody's bothering to package much java stuff until Sun comes through with its free java, or the GNU classpath gets up to magical awesomeness |
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| 08:31.33 | sijuendr | hi all! how can i get information about which wireless-lan driver i am using? |
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| 08:33.47 | streuner | Are you able to post messages in a Google Group 2 without a gmail account? |
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| 08:35.55 | streuner | sijuendr: modinfo <module>? |
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| 08:36.15 | rohan | Guerin: err, java is already "Free" now |
| 08:36.41 | rohan | Guerin: using openjdk + icedtea |
| 08:37.23 | sijuendr | streuner: thx! |
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| 08:37.26 | s3a | wats the difference between debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent and debian-update-4.0r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/bt-dvd/ ? |
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| 08:38.01 | streuner | some fixes, i guess :-) |
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| 08:38.32 | streuner | just add security.debian.org to your sources.list and you don't need to know... |
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| 08:39.06 | rohan | streuner: both isos are 4.0r3, so i don't think security is the reason of having the "update" iso |
| 08:39.07 | Zmax | Hi all, I installed eclipse but I got this error: "A Java Runtime Environment (JRE) or Java Development Kit (JDK) must be available in order to run Eclipse. No Java virtual machine was found after searching the following locations: /usr/lib/j2sdk1.4-sun/bin/java" |
| 08:39.26 | rohan | maybe the "update" iso fixes some installer problems? |
| 08:39.38 | rohan | Zmax: how did you install eclipse? using the packages, or the zip file downloaded from eclipse.org? |
| 08:39.53 | Nazz | Zmax: update-alternatives --config java |
| 08:40.10 | Nazz | run this as root and select your jre |
| 08:40.17 | streuner | file: debian-update-4.0r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso | |
| 08:40.17 | streuner | | size: 2,332,860,416 (2.2 G) |
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| 08:41.12 | Zmax | ok Nazz |
| 08:41.16 | streuner | file: debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso size: 4,666,236,928 (4.3 G) |
| 08:41.35 | rohan | Zmax: did you install any jdk? |
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| 08:41.41 | Zmax | Nazz: nothing to configure |
| 08:41.49 | Zmax | Nazz: same error. |
| 08:41.54 | streuner | s3a: you saw it, i have no idea, just ask in #debian-amd64 OFTC |
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| 08:42.18 | rohan | Zmax: do "aptitude install sun-java6-jdk" as root |
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| 08:42.48 | s3a | streuner: k, thx i will |
| 08:42.49 | Zmax | rohan: I only installed eclipse, it would be a dependency, right? |
| 08:43.08 | Nazz | eclipse likes java5 iirc |
| 08:43.09 | rohan | Zmax: no, afaik it's a Recommends |
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| 08:43.18 | rohan | Nazz: java6 is fine too |
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| 08:43.36 | rohan | Zmax: you're using stable? testing? |
| 08:43.48 | Zmax | rohan: how can I see that? |
| 08:43.58 | rohan | Zmax: cat /etc/issue |
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| 08:44.10 | rohan | that's not a very good to find out, actually |
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| 08:44.55 | rohan | Zmax: but if you're using etch you should be fine with the command i said above |
| 08:45.06 | Zmax | $ cat /etc/issue |
| 08:45.07 | Zmax | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
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| 08:45.33 | rohan | Zmax: right, then "aptitude install sun-java6-jdk" as root will solve your problem |
| 08:45.50 | rohan | i think it's happening because eclipse recommends java, doesn't depend on it |
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| 08:46.16 | Zmax | ok rohan |
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| 08:47.09 | Zmax | rohan: |
| 08:47.09 | Zmax | $ sudo aptitude search java6 |
| 08:47.09 | Zmax | $ |
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| 08:47.32 | Zmax | maybe I haven't the right repository |
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| 08:48.22 | rohan | Zmax: you don't have non-free enabled |
| 08:49.04 | rohan | eclipse should run with "free" java, i.e. the gcj java. but i don't know how to install it |
| 08:49.25 | rohan | if you want close-to-original "free" java, then you'd need to use OpenJDK, but it's only available in "unstable" for now |
| 08:50.42 | Zmax | rohan: can I see your sources.lst ? |
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| 08:51.13 | rohan | Zmax: i am on windows right now. could you paste your sources.list somehwere? |
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| 08:51.35 | Zmax | sure |
| 08:52.01 | Zmax | rohan: http://rafb.net/p/CNl4Bz79.html |
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| 08:52.48 | Zmax | For some reason, initially there were only the security repos there, I added some others under "# Altri" |
| 08:53.09 | rohan | looks fine to me |
| 08:53.10 | Zmax | manually |
| 08:53.52 | rohan | Zmax: strange, still you can't find the sun-java6-jdk package? |
| 08:54.22 | rohan | http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java6/sun-java6-jdk_6-06-1_i386.deb ---> it should find this! |
| 08:55.07 | Zmax | rohan: after an apt-get update it reports this error: "W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release following signatures aren't verified because it is impossible to find a public key ..." |
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| 08:55.30 | rohan_ | 14:23 < rohan> Zmax: strange, still you can't find the sun-java6-jdk package? |
| 08:55.44 | Zmax | rohan: after an apt-get update it reports this error: "W: GPG error: http://non-us.debian.org stable/non-US Release following signatures aren't verified because it is impossible to find a public key ..." |
| 08:56.07 | Zmax | wait a moment |
| 08:56.26 | rohan | hang on, there is a factoid to correct problem |
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| 08:56.30 | Zmax | rohan: cannot find sun-java6-jdk |
| 08:56.41 | ruben | Hi, what is the maximun size that can I use using net.ipv4.ip_conntrack_max? |
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| 08:58.02 | rohan | Zmax: can you comment out the non-US line for a bit? then do aptitude update |
| 08:58.42 | Zmax | ok |
| 08:59.25 | mordy | err... i don't know how to say this, but i need some help with my processor |
| 08:59.39 | mordy | the temperature now is 82C or 180F - it's never like that |
| 09:00.14 | rohan | mordy: you have cpuspeed running? |
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| 09:00.45 | mordy | rohan, i don't even have it installed |
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| 09:01.09 | clamiax | moin |
| 09:01.17 | clamiax | Does anyone uses Debian on a eee pc? |
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| 09:01.38 | rohan | i am soryr, i meant cpufreq, mordy |
| 09:01.40 | Zmax | rohan: cannoti find sun-java6-jdk :°( |
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| 09:02.05 | rohan | Zmax: something is fishy |
| 09:02.16 | rohan | Zmax: can you paste the output of "sudo aptitude install sun-java6-jdk"? |
| 09:02.30 | Zmax | yes but it is in italian |
| 09:02.40 | rohan | no problem, should give me a hint |
| 09:03.00 | mordy | rohan - yes |
| 09:03.29 | rohan | mordy: ok, cpufreq is running and loaded. cpufreqd is installed? powernowd is installed? |
| 09:04.47 | Zmax | rohan: http://rafb.net/p/6D7qDW47.html |
| 09:04.53 | rohan | mordy: also, modprobe-ing following modules might help --> acpi_cpufreq cpufreq_userspace cpufreq_ondemand freq_table processor |
| 09:05.22 | mordy | rohan- i don't have those installed - should i get them? |
| 09:05.24 | rohan | Zmax: Impossibile trovare un pacchetto il cui nome o descrizione corrispondano a --> can you translate it? |
| 09:05.46 | rohan | mordy: they should come with the kernel package. just modprobe-ing them doesn't work? |
| 09:05.50 | Zmax | impossible to find a package which name or description match to... |
| 09:06.12 | mordy | i mean cpufreqd etc. |
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| 09:06.20 | zrin | I get, as root, "permission denied" or "operation not permited" no matter what I try with -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root /etc/init.d/rc I've noticed this in the backup log. What could be the reason? |
| 09:06.50 | rohan | mordy: try loading those modules first |
| 09:07.06 | rohan | Zmax: this is very very strange and fishy |
| 09:07.17 | mordy | rohan - they're all there - all the modules, i mean |
| 09:07.31 | rohan | mordy: ok, then try installing cpufreqd and powernowd |
| 09:08.18 | Zmax | rohan: where can I find a new standard sources.lst? |
| 09:08.33 | mordy | Zmax - what do you mean standard? |
| 09:08.47 | rohan | Zmax: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/examples/sources.list --> but it's really "ugly" |
| 09:09.06 | rohan | Zmax: hang on, i'll make one for yu |
| 09:09.25 | Zmax | thanks *a lot rohan :) |
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| 09:10.51 | rohan | Zmax: here -- http://rafb.net/p/v3YXJo68.html |
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| 09:11.38 | rohan | Zmax: though it's basically the same, replace it with your current sources.list |
| 09:11.38 | hatter | the lenny enchandahalf 'suite=etch' install is not working |
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| 09:12.17 | mordy | rohan - installed those - but no change :( |
| 09:12.23 | rohan | mordy: you need to reboot. |
| 09:12.31 | rohan | mordy: make sure you have those daemons running on boot |
| 09:12.37 | rohan | and those modules loaded |
| 09:12.40 | rohan | cpufreq ones |
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| 09:14.17 | rohan | Zmax: did it help? |
| 09:15.03 | mordy | rohan - would those help with speed issues as well? i don't know if you were here when i complained about graphics eating all the CPU |
| 09:15.08 | streuner | hatter: contact there ML |
| 09:15.21 | hatter | ML ? |
| 09:15.26 | streuner | hatter: or just try kmuto's installer (/msg dpkg kmuto) |
| 09:15.26 | hatter | mailing list... |
| 09:15.32 | streuner | mailing list, yes |
| 09:15.33 | hatter | ok |
| 09:15.34 | rohan | mordy: oh, then probably i'm speaking out of context, yes |
| 09:15.34 | mordy | but since everything shows fine in the graphics section - (modprobe ok, proper drivers loaded, mesa loaded etc.) i guess it's the CPU |
| 09:16.07 | streuner | !etchnhalf |
| 09:16.07 | dpkg | from memory, etchnhalf is "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
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| 09:17.01 | Zmax | rohan: it is downloading domething |
| 09:17.01 | Zmax | something |
| 09:17.12 | streuner | hatter: http://teams.debian.net/lurker/list/project-etchnahalf.html |
| 09:17.22 | mordy | ok, rebooting |
| 09:17.24 | mordy | brbr |
| 09:17.46 | rohan | Zmax: downloading when you do aptitude update? |
| 09:17.54 | streuner | dpkg, etchnhalf is also report bugs or/and problems to there ML please |
| 09:17.55 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 09:18.15 | themill | dpkg: etchnhalf =~ s/there/their/ |
| 09:18.15 | dpkg | OK, themill |
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| 09:18.44 | rohan | dpkg: etchnhalf |
| 09:18.44 | dpkg | etchnhalf is, like, "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf , or report bugs or/and problems to their ML please |
| 09:19.03 | rohan | isn't it usually and/or ;) |
| 09:19.08 | Zmax | rohan: yes, it is downloading some new files updating... |
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| 09:19.21 | rohan | Zmax: great, after that try installing sun-java6-jdk |
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| 09:19.30 | Enforc3r | whats a low system resource using web browser? |
| 09:19.35 | streuner | dpkg: etchnhalf =~ s/or/ / |
| 09:19.36 | dpkg | streuner: OK |
| 09:19.36 | rohan | Enforc3r: elinks |
| 09:19.39 | Zmax | sure :D |
| 09:19.43 | clamiax | Installation stalled while configuring APT. What can i do at this point? |
| 09:19.45 | Enforc3r | for xorg |
| 09:19.54 | rohan | Enforc3r: dillo, i gues |
| 09:19.58 | clamiax | Typing ^c on tty04 doesn't helps |
| 09:20.23 | rohan | clamiax: you're speaking from the install environment? |
| 09:20.24 | themill | streuner: epic fail |
| 09:20.42 | streuner | themill: in order to do what? |
| 09:20.52 | themill | streuner: check what that replacement did... |
| 09:21.14 | streuner | themill: iam already checking... |
| 09:21.15 | rohan | the factoid looks really strange anyway |
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| 09:21.29 | themill | streuner: your /or/ matched support not or.... |
| 09:21.33 | clamiax | rohan: yes |
| 09:21.47 | rohan | Enforc3r: or if you want somehting more feature packed, try konqueror on kde and epiphany on gnome |
| 09:21.52 | streuner | themill: yes, i just correct the factoid |
| 09:21.58 | themill | :) |
| 09:22.04 | Enforc3r | im on a 200mgz |
| 09:22.07 | Enforc3r | mhz |
| 09:22.12 | Enforc3r | 32mb ram |
| 09:22.16 | Enforc3r | blackbox |
| 09:22.27 | rohan | clamiax: why did it fail while configuring apt? you can't do much at this point, except install grub manually, and then boot into the partially-installed system, and join the bits and pieces yourself manually |
| 09:22.54 | rohan | Enforc3r: ok, i guess dillo is for you. www.dillo.org/ |
| 09:23.01 | rohan | clamiax: which will be a real PITA, let me assure you |
| 09:23.03 | streuner | dpkg, no etchnhalf is <reply> "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf , report bugs and problems to their ML please. |
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| 09:23.07 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 09:23.11 | rohan | hi mordy .. did it work |
| 09:23.16 | mordy | rohan, i think so |
| 09:23.22 | mordy | how do i check the daemon? |
| 09:23.27 | streuner | themill: satisfied? |
| 09:23.49 | rohan | mordy: ps auxw | grep foo |
| 09:24.07 | themill | streuner: looks fine to me. Does dpkg support \b as a word boundary in the substitution syntax? |
| 09:24.32 | streuner | no idea, try it out |
| 09:24.38 | themill | will do... |
| 09:24.50 | themill | it doesn't :( |
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| 09:25.45 | mihkel | Hi, I try to set a static ip to my machine |
| 09:25.58 | mihkel | so far my interfaces file looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m2edff3b1 |
| 09:26.20 | mihkel | but after reboot i cant access web pages... |
| 09:26.33 | mihkel | i can only access them with over ip aadress |
| 09:26.36 | petemc | mihkel: is the interface up? |
| 09:26.42 | mihkel | yes |
| 09:26.55 | mihkel | if i set it to get ip from dhcp server |
| 09:26.57 | petemc | can you ping the gateway address? |
| 09:27.03 | mihkel | everthing work normally |
| 09:27.15 | jelly-home | mihkel: what does your /etc/resolv.conf look like? |
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| 09:27.37 | mihkel | right now I have iface eth0 inet dhcp in interfaces |
| 09:27.47 | clamiax | rohan: yeah, it is :-( |
| 09:27.51 | mihkel | nameserver 192.168.1.254 |
| 09:27.52 | mihkel | search lan |
| 09:27.58 | clamiax | i'll try to restart the installation from this point |
| 09:27.58 | mihkel | is in resolv.conf |
| 09:28.06 | rohan | clamiax: i suggest you re-install |
| 09:28.32 | streuner | mihl: how about to use a working DNS-Server? |
| 09:28.37 | clamiax | rohan: i guess it will freeze again, doesn't? |
| 09:28.44 | mordy | rohan - it works, although i don't know what it did exactly. before my cpu was running at 1.2 G and sluggish, now it's at 600Mhz and going fine |
| 09:28.51 | mihkel | streuner, well i was gonna ask about it |
| 09:28.53 | streuner | mihkel: ^^^ |
| 09:28.53 | rohan | clamiax: depends on why it freezed the first time |
| 09:29.02 | rohan | mordy: ah, great :) |
| 09:29.10 | jelly-home | mihkel: do you get any output from "dig @192.168.1.254 +short google.com"? |
| 09:29.16 | mihkel | how i set a dns name servers on debian |
| 09:29.34 | streuner | mihkel: if you have to ask, just use your ISP DNS-Server |
| 09:30.02 | streuner | mihkel: just put it into /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 09:30.37 | mihkel | streuner, but in resolv.conf file there is a comment: |
| 09:30.38 | mihkel | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 09:30.39 | mihkel | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 09:30.51 | streuner | nameserver <IP of your ISP DNS server> |
| 09:30.54 | streuner | thats enough |
| 09:30.57 | mihkel | is there any point putting nameserves there? |
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| 09:31.11 | streuner | sure, if you using static IP |
| 09:31.24 | s3a | i rely need some help on which debian etch to download |
| 09:31.33 | streuner | DHCP just overwrite the setting, if you didn't tell it otherwise... |
| 09:31.47 | mihkel | so when i use dhcp then resolv.conf will be overwritten, but when i use static, it won't? |
| 09:32.07 | s3a | which of the 2 debians do i download? http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=163412#163412 |
| 09:32.10 | streuner | yes, bascially |
| 09:32.17 | mihkel | streuner, thanks |
| 09:32.39 | jelly-home | streuner, mihkel: nah, in case of resolvconf(8), you need to put it in dns-nameservers line in /etc/network/interfaces, like this: http://pastebin.com/d7381b54c |
| 09:33.03 | mihkel | okidoki then |
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| 09:33.41 | s3a | What's the difference between "debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent" and "debian-update-4.0r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent" from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/bt-dvd/ ? |
| 09:33.44 | jelly-home | no manual editing of /etc/resolv.conf needed. _However_, you seem to already have a "nameserver your.rout.er.ip" there |
| 09:33.44 | mihkel | but i stiil wounder why my machine can't get dns info from gateway (router) |
| 09:34.14 | jelly-home | mihkel: did that dig line result in anything? |
| 09:34.35 | mihkel | jelly-home, all i got was > |
| 09:34.57 | jelly-home | mihkel: that was a test for your router being used as dns server; so it seems not to work that way |
| 09:34.58 | mihkel | that single char |
| 09:35.09 | jelly-home | hm |
| 09:35.26 | mihkel | jelly-home, sorry |
| 09:35.33 | mihkel | actually it was |
| 09:35.39 | mihkel | 64.233.167.99 |
| 09:35.39 | mihkel | 64.233.187.99 |
| 09:35.40 | mihkel | 72.14.207.99 |
| 09:35.44 | jelly-home | so it works |
| 09:35.58 | mihkel | yes beacuse i use dhcp right now |
| 09:36.07 | mihkel | otherwise i can't use internet |
| 09:36.22 | mihkel | because names won't solve |
| 09:36.34 | jelly-home | oh... |
| 09:36.41 | s3a | can sum1 plz answer my question bcuz i have to sleep and i rely want to leave the torrent downloading overnight because i have a 50 kb/s connection and would like to get it done as fast as possible |
| 09:36.48 | DawnLight | yo |
| 09:36.59 | jelly-home | mihkel: we need to see your /etc/resolv.conf when it _doesn't_ work |
| 09:37.22 | DawnLight | s3a: the update is only an update |
| 09:37.48 | s3a | DawnLight: an update to wat exactly? an older iso image of the etch download? |
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| 09:38.10 | s3a | DawnLight: is that the whole r3 thing as in release 3? |
| 09:38.11 | mihkel | jelly-home, http://pastebin.com/m2681d696 |
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| 09:38.46 | jelly-home | mihkel: but the nameserver line stays? |
| 09:38.50 | DawnLight | s3a: it contains packages that were updated since etch released, or since r2, i'm not sure. yes, release 3 |
| 09:38.53 | mihkel | yes |
| 09:39.18 | s3a | DawnLight: so the one that doesnt say update is already updated? |
| 09:39.25 | mihkel | but just in case i make changes in interfaces file and make a reboot |
| 09:39.33 | mihkel | then i'll report again |
| 09:39.33 | jelly-home | mihkel: well, I guess you can emulate that as well. Also add " dns-search lan" in interfaces |
| 09:40.16 | mihkel | well i go and experient with those settings a while |
| 09:40.25 | jelly-home | mihkel: but the nameserver line should be enough to make normal resolving (and therefore web browsing etc) work |
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| 09:47.01 | MacGyverNL | Can anyone explain to me what the de facto standard folder is for non-.deb packaged third party programs? I've read they should go in /opt, I've read they should go in /usr/bin... Any help? |
| 09:48.13 | SlayerXP | MacGyverNL: the good thing about defacto standards is that you have many to choose from |
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| 09:49.14 | WormFood | "defacto" literally means "after the fact"...for example, the hayes AT commands for modems are a defacto standard (or at least started out as such) |
| 09:49.37 | petemc | MacGyverNL: how are they packaged? |
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| 09:50.16 | gilead | hello |
| 09:50.25 | gilead | how can I disable (per-device ideally) automatic loading of USB mass storage driver? |
| 09:50.48 | petemc | oh, "non-deb packaged" not non-deb, packaged" |
| 09:51.19 | wols_ | MacGyverNL: nothing ever except debian stuff gets into /usr/bin |
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| 09:52.03 | MacGyverNL | petemc: Eclipse Ganymede, .tar.gz, single folder package. |
| 09:52.19 | mihkel | jelly-home, well i set my ip to static in interfaces file, reboot |
| 09:52.29 | MacGyverNL | wols_: Right, so that's out. Then it's either /usr/local or /opt? |
| 09:52.32 | mihkel | resolv.conf was empty |
| 09:52.41 | petemc | MacGyverNL: that kinda stuff usually goes in /usr/local/bin |
| 09:52.45 | mihkel | i was able to ping gateway |
| 09:53.01 | mihkel | so i set dns-nameservers 192.168.1.254 in interfaces, reboot |
| 09:53.10 | mihkel | and here i am |
| 09:53.56 | mihkel | but now i have basically two identical lines in interfaces |
| 09:54.04 | mihkel | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.04 | mihkel | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:54.17 | mihkel | no biggy |
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| 09:54.35 | mihkel | but why everything worked before a |
| 09:54.48 | mihkel | and now i have to set dns separately |
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| 09:55.57 | MacGyverNL | petemc: What I don't get, hthen, is that I also have an Alfresco an and ANT install, which , according to their debian install instructions, had to go in /opt. What's the difference? |
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| 09:56.25 | schme_ | hello #debian. |
| 09:56.35 | MacGyverNL | (Excuse the spelling mistakes, remote over a rather slow connection makes the text lag about 5 seconds behind my typing, so I have a hard time spotting typos.) |
| 09:56.53 | schme_ | Running debian gnu/linux on a x86-32 here, and it seems I can't have sound in flashplayer in firefox and mplayer at the same time. What config should I look at to fix this? |
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| 09:58.25 | zrin | I get, as root, "permission denied" or "operation not permited" no matter what I try with -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root /etc/init.d/rc I've noticed this in the backup log. What could be the reason? |
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| 10:01.28 | MacGyverNL | (I've also read about people removing /opt and then symlinking /opt to /usr/local. I mean, wth? This doesn't make any sense to me :P) |
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| 10:04.27 | nkuttler | MacGyverNL: did you ever read the fhs? |
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| 10:06.48 | fas3r | hello everybody |
| 10:07.20 | fas3r | it's possible to use vmware without xserver-xorg ? ( in command line) |
| 10:07.21 | petemc | MacGyverNL: as long as they're both in your path, what does it matter? |
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| 10:07.33 | pete_ | fas3r: sure |
| 10:07.51 | pete_ | at least i think so, haven't tryed long time |
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| 10:08.48 | fas3r | Pete:: ok it's just how to use vmware to install new virtual machine ( for example a new debian or other) |
| 10:08.54 | SPF | I just update my system and now mysqld wont start anymore |
| 10:09.00 | pete_ | fas3r: you use the client software from another computer |
| 10:09.01 | SPF | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:09.12 | pete_ | SPF: dpkg-configure -a |
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| 10:09.30 | fas3r | pete_: oki i don't know it's exist client for vmware :) thx :) |
| 10:09.38 | SPF | bash: dpkg-configure: command not found |
| 10:09.39 | pete_ | SPF: dpkg-reconfigure -a i mean |
| 10:10.04 | SPF | ok |
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| 10:12.00 | MacGyverNL | nkuttler: Yes, I have, and it still doesn't make sense. The FHS explanation looks like it's two folders for the same purpose. petemc: It matters in sofar as that I like a clean, consistent filesystem. |
| 10:14.52 | fas3r | Pete_ : can you give me the name of vmware client ? |
| 10:15.00 | pete_ | fas3r: vmware client |
| 10:15.30 | ace_ | Hi all |
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| 10:16.27 | ace_ | how do i find which package i need to install so that LNX_EXTRA_SOURCES is defined and working? hw/xfree86/os-support/linux/Makefile.am:30: variable `LNX_EXTRA_SOURCES' is defined but no program or |
| 10:16.38 | SPF | pete_: isnt there a way to just reconfigure mysql and not the whole system? This takes ages |
| 10:16.50 | ace_ | so how do i find which package it comes from? the last one i got stuck on i googed for the info but this one is harder to find |
| 10:16.59 | pete_ | SPF: well use your imagination. dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server perhaps? |
| 10:17.12 | SPF | you should've said that earlier :( |
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| 10:18.17 | pete_ | SPF: it sound there some other shit needing configuring also |
| 10:18.45 | clamiax | bbl |
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| 10:19.31 | SPF | what a pain ... |
| 10:20.07 | pete_ | ..in the ass |
| 10:20.35 | SPF | and in the meantime all the servers are down |
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| 10:21.07 | pete_ | that's life. That's also why we have mysql-replication and LVS |
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| 10:24.51 | nkuttler | SPF: man dpkg, --configure |
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| 10:26.17 | Rowan | okay so i installed with CD 1, now how do i get all the packages in the other disks to show up in my repositories (without downloading the other cds) |
| 10:26.54 | nkuttler | Rowan: that should be in the install guide... |
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| 10:27.17 | Rowan | <_< well the website is so unorganized |
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| 10:28.21 | ddalton | how do I switch terms with screen? |
| 10:28.24 | nkuttler | Rowan: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ ? |
| 10:28.27 | deever | $ m-a build drbd8-module-source |
| 10:28.27 | deever | The source tarball could not be found! |
| 10:28.27 | deever | Package drbd8-module-source not installed? |
| 10:28.27 | deever | Running "m-a -f get drbd8-module-source" may help. |
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| 10:28.35 | ddalton | so after 10 |
| 10:28.41 | Rowan | thanks nkuttler |
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| 10:29.14 | deever | sorry |
| 10:29.19 | pete_ | deever: download module from drbd.org |
| 10:29.20 | nkuttler | ddalton: ctrl-a number should do it |
| 10:29.38 | pete_ | deever: at least i have always done that. DRBD is 2min setup |
| 10:30.05 | ddalton | what about ones over 10? |
| 10:30.13 | deever | http://pastebin.com/d505fc56d |
| 10:30.13 | ddalton | more than 10 windows |
| 10:30.32 | nkuttler | ddalton: n for next, i have no need for +10 shells |
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| 10:30.44 | ddalton | oh, ok, thanks |
| 10:30.57 | deever | pete_: theoretically yes, practically not |
| 10:31.24 | deever | how can i build the drbd8 module? |
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| 10:31.36 | nkuttler | ddalton: man screen is a nice read too |
| 10:31.38 | cydork | deever: just install drbd8-source |
| 10:31.58 | cydork | deever: and run m-a a-i drbd8 |
| 10:32.00 | deever | or: what name does m-a expect for the tarball? |
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| 10:32.38 | deever | cydork: that it was, thanks! ;) |
| 10:33.00 | cydork | deever: no problem.. |
| 10:33.49 | Rowan | nkuttler i can't find it |
| 10:34.17 | nkuttler | Rowan: try apt-get update |
| 10:34.29 | Rowan | i did, i've got like 2 security repositories that don't even have build-essential :\ |
| 10:35.21 | dondelelcaro | Rowan: uh... security repositories wouldn't have b-e. |
| 10:35.32 | dondelelcaro | Rowan: real debian mirrors, on the other hand, would. |
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| 10:35.46 | Rowan | i've been using ubuntu, fedora, and opensuse for years so you can talk technical with me if need be |
| 10:35.48 | Rowan | uh, hold on |
| 10:37.27 | Rowan | http://pastie.org/237769 |
| 10:38.51 | dondelelcaro | Rowan: you only have a security mirror, not a real Debian mirror listed there. |
| 10:38.55 | dondelelcaro | !tell Rowan -about mirrors |
| 10:39.15 | dondelelcaro | Rowan: pick one from that list, and /msg dpkg sources.list if you don't know what to do with it once you've got it. |
| 10:39.20 | Rowan | yeah thats basically what i was asking, what the main ones are |
| 10:39.28 | Rowan | thanks mate |
| 10:40.38 | DawnLight | how can i send to d-i's log-output? |
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| 10:40.57 | dondelelcaro | DawnLight: using reportbug or similar? |
| 10:41.40 | DawnLight | dondelelcaro: no, no; during d-i i'm running a command with preseed's late_command. i want that command's output sent to the tty4 log |
| 10:42.33 | deever | http://pastebin.com/d4d96dea4 |
| 10:42.39 | deever | ? |
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| 10:43.13 | deever | pete_, cydork: ;) |
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| 10:43.58 | cydork | deever: modprobe it first? |
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| 10:47.16 | superb0b | i get request timeout on load not completely but few request time outs |
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| 10:48.56 | peter____ | hello how can I export the route table which is listed by route -n? is there a config file with the settings? |
| 10:49.31 | Gryfelhas | to a text-file? |
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| 10:50.44 | peter____ | : gryfelhas: I have to pcs in my network, one works just fine, another one has an empty route table. I thought can transfer the settings or is it possible to fill the table automatically? |
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| 10:51.19 | superb0b | peter____: r u assigning ip from dhcp ? |
| 10:51.39 | peter____ | superb0b: no, statically |
| 10:51.54 | superb0b | do u have ip set ? |
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| 10:52.42 | peter____ | superb0b: yes the settings in the interfaces are complete but I get msg "network unreachable" if I ping the gateway |
| 10:54.00 | plundra | Is there a way of "cleaning" a host from some host-specific stuff and then on the next boot, make it regenerate (where possible) and ask for the rest? |
| 10:54.34 | plundra | I'd like to remove the udev-entry for eth0, the ssh hostkeys and preferably be asked to set the hostname. |
| 10:55.03 | deever | cydork: sure, but: |
| 10:55.04 | deever | FATAL: Could not open '/lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/block/drbd.ko': No such file or directory |
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| 10:56.54 | cydork | deever: hmm check modprobe -l|grep drbd |
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| 10:58.51 | deever | $ modprobe -l|grep drbd |
| 10:58.51 | deever | /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/drivers/block/drbd.ko |
| 10:58.55 | deever | mhh... |
| 10:59.31 | deever | now that's *really* weird... |
| 11:00.20 | cydork | deever: hmm run depmod and try to run the init script again. |
| 11:01.44 | cydork | deever: also check if drbd.ko actually exist .. |
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| 11:02.55 | enouf | depmod -a might help |
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| 11:07.11 | deever | no, it doesn't exist...but now exists under /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-686/kernel/extra/drbd.ko |
| 11:08.14 | SPF | dpkg-reconfigure fails at shadow ( delete line ''? invalid shadow password file entry ) |
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| 11:10.45 | bolt_ | Is there something like "who" which will also display scp connections? I only see the ones who actually have a shell running |
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| 11:14.55 | pozic | What is a high-performance photoviewer? kuickshow and eye of gnome are too slow. |
| 11:15.28 | nkuttler | pozic: gqview is ok |
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| 11:15.41 | dondelelcaro | pozic: feh is what I use. |
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| 11:15.56 | dondelelcaro | (there's not very many that are faster, IME.) |
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| 11:16.04 | thinkgnu_ | what's the problem in my changelog>>debian-changelog-line-too-long line 9 |
| 11:16.15 | pozic | Do those application support the arrow keys to go back and forward? |
| 11:16.34 | dondelelcaro | pozic: feh does, but it's not like that matters much |
| 11:17.00 | pozic | dondelelcaro: yes, I agree, but some user does. |
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| 11:17.08 | dondelelcaro | (if it's really a big deal for something like a projector device, you can always remap the keys.) |
| 11:17.16 | thinkgnu_ | altough it's not long >> Update Makefile and add Doc files. |
| 11:17.52 | dondelelcaro | pozic: a user can always learn new key combinations; it's not that difficult |
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| 11:20.14 | Keele | Hi. I cannot get Debian up. It starts some kind of disk checking and then nothing happens. What can I do? |
| 11:20.26 | thinkgnu_ | can anyone tell me a channel name that related to debian package developing ? |
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| 11:21.01 | dondelelcaro | thinkgnu_: you can ask questions here or in #debian-mentors on OFTC. |
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| 11:22.17 | Keele | I am not able to insert any commands. Is there any way to workaround this? |
| 11:22.30 | thinkgnu_ | i have a problem in my changelog syntax! Update Makefile and add Doc files. altough it's not long >> Update Makefile and add Doc files. |
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| 11:22.35 | nkuttler | Keele: usually you wait for the fsck to finish |
| 11:22.49 | pete_ | nkuttler :DDD |
| 11:22.53 | deever | cydork: thx...it loads now from extra instead from drivers/block |
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| 11:26.07 | Keele | nkuttler: Eh how long can it take? Like over 30mins for two raid 200GB disks? |
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| 11:26.59 | peter____ | what is nkuttler? |
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| 11:28.06 | nkuttler | peter____: hm? |
| 11:28.18 | nkuttler | Keele: doesn't it show some progress status? |
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| 11:28.49 | peter____ | : nkuttler oh ok somebody in this chat has just sent me your nick??! |
| 11:29.33 | Keele | nkuttler: Like 30mins ago "raid1: sdb3: rescheduling sector " blaa blaa |
| 11:30.00 | bolt_ | Is there something like "who" which will also display scp connections? I only see the ones who actually have a shell running |
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| 11:30.10 | nkuttler | Keele: i'd boot from the install cd and check the disk |
| 11:30.34 | Keele | nkuttler: Ok... |
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| 11:30.52 | Keele | Does it work with another than the very same installation disk? |
| 11:31.01 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I tried those, but they still don't seem to cache images in advance. |
| 11:31.26 | pozic | dondelelcaro: they don't scale to fit screen automatically per photo and show the name. |
| 11:32.03 | dondelelcaro | pozic: uh... caching is bad, and yes, feh does scale, and yes it can show the name. |
| 11:32.21 | dondelelcaro | pozic: the OS is more than capable of handling caching of images on its own if there is memory available |
| 11:32.42 | bolt_ | I prefer gqview. it does exif rotation and all, which my camera supports |
| 11:32.59 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the OS does not know one is watching all files in current directory, right? |
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| 11:33.38 | dondelelcaro | pozic: so use the preload mode of feh |
| 11:34.00 | pozic | dondelelcaro: ok, I will. Thanks. |
| 11:34.24 | dondelelcaro | feh doesn't read the exif stuff, but it's not like it's a big deal to do rotation with it; you just use < and > |
| 11:34.53 | dondelelcaro | (and I actually have scripts which handle rotation for me anyway) |
| 11:34.57 | bolt_ | automatic rotation based on which way the camera says it was turned at the time is nice though |
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| 11:37.42 | pozic | dondelelcaro: preload does not preload. |
| 11:37.58 | pozic | dondelelcaro: the manpage says it does _not_ load it into RAM. |
| 11:37.59 | dondelelcaro | pozic: sure it does; it loads them, and then depends on the OS to cache them. |
| 11:38.13 | pozic | dondelelcaro: ok, then I misunderstood. My bad. |
| 11:38.36 | dondelelcaro | whether or not they are cached is entirely dependent on the OS; unless your images are gigantic, it's normally fast enough not to matter |
| 11:38.58 | pozic | dondelelcaro: and those rotation scripts? That's just some batch operation? |
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| 11:39.43 | dondelelcaro | pozic: they're just a set of perl scripts that make Image::Imlib2 calls after reading the EXIF data using Image::Info |
| 11:39.56 | dondelelcaro | rotation of pictures is trivial |
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| 11:40.28 | dondelelcaro | my own scripts probably aren't useful to anyone else but me, but there you go. |
| 11:40.32 | Keele | nkuttler: I don't seem to have any disk checking on the install cd? |
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| 11:41.43 | dondelelcaro | http://websvn.donarmstrong.com/filedetails.php?repname=don&path=%2Ftrunk%2Fbin%2Ffixpic&rev=0&sc=0 (it actually uses mogrify; I mis-remembered) |
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| 11:44.28 | nkuttler | Keele: oh, not sure about that. get yourself some rescue/live cd? |
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| 11:45.17 | dondelelcaro | Keele: it's pretty much unecessary on modern drives |
| 11:45.22 | Keele | Hmm I have that networkinstall 180MB image |
| 11:45.45 | dondelelcaro | Keele: assuming the drive supports smart, that'll tell you far more about the state of the drive for predictable failures. |
| 11:46.02 | Keele | nkuttler: One question; does it have to be debian specific or will anyone do? |
| 11:46.16 | Keele | dondelelcaro: Ehm, tell me more? |
| 11:46.55 | dondelelcaro | Keele: almost all modern drives detect failing sectors on their own and remap them |
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| 11:47.16 | Keele | dondelelcaro: So the problem is not with the drives but with...? |
| 11:47.20 | pozic | dondelelcaro: preloading takes 2 minutes |
| 11:47.37 | pozic | dondelelcaro: any sane individual would do preloading while the user is watching the photo. |
| 11:48.01 | dondelelcaro | pozic: preloading does other things, like sorting, etc. |
| 11:48.20 | dondelelcaro | pozic: in general, you shouldn't even need to bother. just use feh with appropriate options. |
| 11:48.33 | Keele | feh? |
| 11:48.53 | dondelelcaro | Keele: I don't know what your actual problem is, so i can't answer that. |
| 11:49.51 | Keele | dondelelcaro: GRUB works ok etc. but Debian doesn't "start". It gets to fsck and sends a few line of output and then nothing seems to happen for at least 30min |
| 11:50.33 | Keele | s/line/lines |
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| 11:51.27 | persi | Hi I can`t resize any partition with gparted - it shows me keys beside every partition and doesnt give me options, does any1 got a clue? |
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| 11:52.12 | dondelelcaro | Keele: can you boot off of the rescue cd? |
| 11:52.20 | udinesh5 | i am trying hands on writing a script to verify a user's login and password |
| 11:52.21 | dondelelcaro | Keele: does it always stop in the same place? |
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| 11:52.52 | udinesh5 | so i need to extract info from /etc/shadow file to compare with the output of crypt() |
| 11:52.53 | Keele | dondelelcaro: a) where can I get one? b) yes |
| 11:53.14 | dondelelcaro | Keele: a standard Debian install disk is one; just use rescue at the prompt. |
| 11:53.22 | dondelelcaro | udinesh5: uh, no you don't. Use pam instead. |
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| 11:53.35 | Keele | dondelelcaro: So instead of install I type rescue...? |
| 11:53.45 | Keele | Didn't find any such options documentated... |
| 11:53.52 | dondelelcaro | Keele: yes. hit F2-F8 at the boot prompt for documentation. |
| 11:54.01 | dondelelcaro | (as is shown on the first screen) |
| 11:54.23 | udinesh5 | dondelelcaro: thanks a lot ! |
| 11:54.52 | nkuttler | Keele: if you suspect the hd to be bad have a look at ultimate boot cd, there's diagnostic tools on that |
| 11:54.55 | dondelelcaro | np |
| 11:55.21 | Keele | Hmm yes now it got to the langue selection prompt |
| 11:55.42 | pozic | dondelelcaro: I specify feh -Z <photo dir> and I get images that are only partially visible. |
| 11:56.06 | Keele | nkuttler: Yeah I'll try that aswell |
| 11:56.08 | dondelelcaro | pozic: you want feh -ZF |
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| 11:57.31 | pozic | dondelelcaro: another issue is that I still have >800MB of unused memory. |
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| 11:57.41 | itchi_ | Hi how can i test my new /etc/logrotate.d/foo script without waiting that it's executed by logrotate? |
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| 11:58.07 | dondelelcaro | itchi_: man logrotate; and read about the -d option |
| 11:58.25 | itchi_ | hhhm, did i miss that :-s |
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| 11:59.27 | itchi_ | dondelelcaro: Oh, that is finaly so easy |
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| 12:02.05 | bolt_ | Is there something like "who" which will also display scp connections? I only see the ones who actually have a shell running |
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| 12:02.45 | extor | scp is not really a shell |
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| 12:02.55 | Enforc3r | how can I make aterm transparent and shaded |
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| 12:04.52 | itchi_ | dondelelcaro: Do you know of any ncurse based firewall? Somethings like vuurmuur http://www.vuurmuur.org/trac/wiki/ScreenShots ? |
| 12:05.42 | bolt_ | extor: exactly. but i want to see who is logged in on my ssh server, and scp does that, doesn't it? |
| 12:05.52 | itchi_ | dondelelcaro: BTW vuurmuur seems really good to me, is what i'm using since some time. Just sad that this isn't in the debian pool. Deb's are available on the website anyway |
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| 12:06.25 | extor | scp connections last a very short time though |
| 12:06.32 | extor | and they dont invoke a shell |
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| 12:07.14 | bolt_ | extor: when I transfer a 5 gb file, the connection should last a while... |
| 12:07.16 | cheetahj25 | how can i give a normal user access to mount & umount fileystems ? |
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| 12:07.42 | bolt_ | cheetahj25: put them in fstab and allow users there |
| 12:07.54 | nkuttler | cheetahj25: see man 5 fstab |
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| 12:08.01 | cheetahj25 | thank you |
| 12:08.02 | extor | I think who gives a report on people logged in and using a shell. scp does not use a shell, perhaps? |
| 12:08.19 | extor | but yeah it's interesting as a problem |
| 12:08.39 | ries | hey . i m able to use p2p apps and download and stuff but i cant access pages throgh browsers.. does anyone have any idea what this is... ? |
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| 12:08.41 | extor | techinally speaking a "who" will not report someone using a rootkit either |
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| 12:09.06 | Trewas | bolt_: I used to run a server for some of my friends, and the easiest way (I could think of) to check what they are leeching with scp or sftp was lsof | grep ... |
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| 12:15.01 | DawnLight | are there free drivers for the radeon Xpress 1200/1250 in etch? |
| 12:15.14 | pozic | dondelelcaro: am I right in that your script rotates the image data, but doesn't do anything to the rotation information in the meta-data? |
| 12:16.18 | dondelelcaro | pozic: yes. |
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| 12:17.43 | themill | pozic: I use a variant on this one: http://rafb.net/p/PjVLfe59.html |
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| 12:24.40 | Enforc3r | whats the best program to download mp3s like limewire? |
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| 12:26.03 | joltcan | I'm using bittorrent for that stuff these days |
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| 12:26.50 | cloakable | bittorrent is indeed good |
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| 12:27.33 | joltcan | download the torrent files to my local machine and rsync them to my server at home, which runs rtorrent and listens for new files in a folder |
| 12:27.48 | mordy | is there a way to have apt cache whatever i want to install unto a separate disk? |
| 12:27.48 | joltcan | That or that bittorrent web interface |
| 12:28.12 | joltcan | mordy: If you use apt-get it will always cache it until you do apt-get clean |
| 12:28.20 | joltcan | So copy those files to the other disk? |
| 12:28.44 | cloakable | joltcan: torrentflux :) It's quick |
| 12:28.52 | joltcan | cloakable: thats right! |
| 12:28.52 | mordy | is there a way to specify where it caches all the files? and would i be able to use those files as a mirror on other computers? |
| 12:29.19 | joltcan | mordy: copy the cache-dir to somewhere central maybe? |
| 12:29.36 | joltcan | mordy: let a cronjob copy them every night or something nice like that |
| 12:29.58 | mordy | gah - there's no configuration that tells apt *where* to cache? |
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| 12:31.04 | RedLizard | is there any xen kernel image without pae in the debian stable repository? |
| 12:31.26 | dondelelcaro | mordy: yes, but there's generally little point. |
| 12:31.30 | mordy | joltcan - the reason i want it to cache to a different location is because i have a few computers - i don't want to get all the apt-packages and place them on a disk and use that as a mirror, but i do want that each time i download a package, that packaged is cached on the network, and if i want to install that package on a different computer, i won't have to download it again, and apt-would be able to search for the package itself |
| 12:31.52 | dondelelcaro | mordy: and if you want to do that, you want something like apt-proxy or similar. |
| 12:32.20 | mordy | dondelcarlo - is there such a thing? |
| 12:32.32 | joltcan | apt-cache search ^apt |
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| 12:33.06 | dondelelcaro | mordy: yes, it's called apt-proxy. approx, apt-cacher, and others are similar. |
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| 12:33.23 | mordy | thanks dondelcarlo, joltcan - |
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| 12:33.48 | mordy | tries to set up this thing, but gathers he will soon be searching as to how to do it :( |
| 12:33.50 | Enforc3r | how do I install java |
| 12:33.53 | Enforc3r | liek what package? |
| 12:34.03 | Enforc3r | JRE 1.5x |
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| 12:35.15 | Enforc3r | java.com |
| 12:35.24 | Enforc3r | ill use the .bin file |
| 12:38.38 | joltcan | !dpkg java |
| 12:38.38 | dpkg | well, java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
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| 12:39.33 | tubbybastard | can someone reccomend an iptables howto / guide, is the man pages the best? |
| 12:39.59 | joltcan | tubbybastard: No, the manpage is crappy if yoy don't just want to look up the parameters |
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| 12:40.20 | tubbybastard | I've used openbsd pf a fair amount |
| 12:40.22 | joltcan | tubbybastard: look at something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo |
| 12:40.32 | tubbybastard | iptables is a very different creature |
| 12:40.40 | joltcan | tubbybastard: Yes, but the manpages in openbsd are much better at including examples than the linux ones |
| 12:41.46 | tubbybastard | joltcan, thanks for the heads up, are debian / ubuntu guides pretty much interchangeable? |
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| 12:42.14 | joltcan | tubbybastard: In that case, probably. ubuntu is built upon debian, so some of the core stuff are the same |
| 12:42.32 | joltcan | tubbybastard: I just googled though |
| 12:43.01 | tubbybastard | joltcan, one thing that really through me off at first is te lack of the init.d script |
| 12:43.23 | RichiH | hrmpf |
| 12:43.34 | joltcan | tubbybastard: this page is usually pretty good: kåt |
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| 12:43.44 | joltcan | that copy-paste didnt work :) |
| 12:43.53 | joltcan | http://wiki.debian.org/iptables |
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| 12:44.40 | RichiH | i have a system that has a NFS partition mounted. it claims that it is in use so i can't umount it. it does not appear in lsof, though. redoing the export on the server, rehashing config files there, changing local fstab and mount -o remount does not work. any ideas how i can force it to accept the new remote mountpoint? |
| 12:45.27 | pallebone | hi there qould it be possible get some technical help |
| 12:45.50 | joltcan | RichiH: does mount say that it is mounted? |
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| 12:46.12 | joltcan | RichiH: or cat /proc/mounts? |
| 12:46.14 | RichiH | yes |
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| 12:46.23 | RichiH | else, it would not claim to be in use on umount |
| 12:46.41 | joltcan | sorry, I read the question again, try and use umount -f to force unmount it? |
| 12:47.06 | shyam | hi with google releasing libjingle and all,now what could be the best voice chat client available in debian? or the best way is to use gtalk2voip.com with ekiga? |
| 12:47.24 | RichiH | joltcan: possible, but icky |
| 12:47.41 | RichiH | not that i am saying i have a better idea, mind |
| 12:47.52 | cloakable | How about -l ? |
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| 12:48.15 | cloakable | umount -l for a lazy unmount |
| 12:48.56 | joltcan | RichiH: No smb or something using it? |
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| 12:49.41 | cloakable | joltcan: wouldn't lsof list that? |
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| 12:50.25 | cloakable | Hmm, no |
| 12:50.32 | joltcan | cloakable: Well, I can only say sometimes. I have had multiple problems with mount saying that stuff is in used but it didn't show up with lsof |
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| 12:50.50 | RichiH | cloakable: lazy is not doable as i need it to write to the new dir |
| 12:51.00 | cloakable | RichiH: ah |
| 12:51.05 | RichiH | joltcan: you mean if the nfs is exported as a smb share? |
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| 12:51.48 | joltcan | RichiH: Yeah, or just some dir on the nfs |
| 12:54.08 | RichiH | joltcan: no |
| 12:54.20 | RichiH | joltcan: also, lsof | grep /foo does not show anything |
| 12:54.27 | RichiH | well, it does, but those are not relevant |
| 12:54.40 | RichiH | as they just contain the substring |
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| 12:55.02 | joltcan | well, sometimes lsof doesn't show everything, so I guess you have to go the ugly way |
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| 12:55.20 | RichiH | three crosses, knock on wood and all that, then |
| 12:55.41 | RichiH | i will try _that_ stunt on a lesser system first, though |
| 12:56.01 | joko | Hi, I've created a deb package for a kernel, installed it and now I want to remove it. However, it requires the deb package and I now longer have it. Is there any way to remove it from my system? |
| 12:56.21 | avu | joko, it doesn't require the package |
| 12:56.44 | avu | joko, just remove the instaled package using aptitude/apt-get or whatever package management tool you usually use |
| 12:57.17 | joko | avu: Things got messed up and it requires to re-install the package before removing it... |
| 12:57.30 | avu | joko, try dpkg -P |
| 12:57.45 | joko | avu: Already did, no luck |
| 12:58.06 | avu | joko, what's the exact error you get? |
| 12:59.44 | joko | avu: Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 12:59.58 | avu | joko, nothing before that? |
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| 13:00.36 | joko | dpkg: error processing linux-image-blah-blah (--purge): |
| 13:00.37 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 13:15.18 | ootput | ergh mplayer in lenny with blue overlay |
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| 13:15.59 | MTristan_ | hello |
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| 13:16.44 | rdz | is it possible to edit a pdf somehow? |
| 13:17.05 | MTristan_ | I'm trying to install the non free drivers for my nVidia riva TNT2, but the installation fails everytime |
| 13:17.06 | wols_ | not really made for editing. in a limited way, sometimes. generally no |
| 13:17.25 | wols_ | !tell MTristan_ about errors |
| 13:17.26 | MTristan_ | is there anyone who did install them, and for whom they work? |
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| 13:18.10 | abrotman | MTristan_: do the drivers still support that card? |
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| 13:18.22 | wols_ | abrotman: legacy does |
| 13:18.24 | themill | rdz: have a look at the pdfedit package. It's clunky and crashy but will edit PDFs. Also look at pdftk if you just want to change the pages in the PDF |
| 13:18.25 | rdz | wols_, is it possible to extract images from pdfs? |
| 13:18.36 | wols_ | rdz: yes |
| 13:18.38 | rdz | themill, thanks |
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| 13:18.48 | salvin | rdz, try pdfedit |
| 13:18.59 | wols_ | pdftohtml |
| 13:19.18 | rdz | wols_, thanks as welll... cool... lots of cool and useful tools |
| 13:19.26 | salvin | (for the first question) |
| 13:19.31 | themill | rdz: You can convert pages to a raster image with imagemagick convert (amongst other things). There's also pdfimages in the xpdf-utils package. |
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| 13:20.14 | MTristan_ | here is the error : http://www.effervescence.be/paste/?p=3569757 |
| 13:20.18 | themill | rdz: I usually use pdftk to get the page I want and them imagemagick to rasterise the entire page and then crop it down. pdfimages can sometimes do what you want though. |
| 13:20.28 | MTristan_ | some parts are in french |
| 13:20.58 | themill | rdz: Also, many pdf viewers allow you to select a section of the page and save an image of it. kpdf can certainly do that, others might be able to as well |
| 13:21.37 | wols_ | MTristan_: is this the nvidia.com installer? |
| 13:21.48 | MTristan_ | no |
| 13:21.57 | MTristan_ | that's from a french tutorial |
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| 13:22.12 | wols_ | I mean do you try to run the nvidia.com installer? |
| 13:22.41 | MTristan_ | not yet |
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| 13:22.48 | MTristan_ | but that's what I'm going to do now |
| 13:22.53 | wols_ | not yet? you are compiling the nvidia kernel module... |
| 13:23.05 | wols_ | so which debian package is this you're compiling? |
| 13:23.05 | rdz | yo.. guys.. pdfedit did great job and saved my life.. thanks a lot |
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| 13:24.12 | MTristan_ | http://www.nolifeclub.org/linux/debian-etch-acceleration-graphique-cartes-nvidia/ wols_ here is the tutorial, with the commands |
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| 13:25.24 | wols_ | MTristan_: you try to run an age old etch nividia driver with a very new kernel. that cannot work |
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| 13:28.21 | MTristan_ | wols_, I'm not trying a new kernel, I modified the command lines to install the legacy kernel |
| 13:28.33 | JyZyXEL | did you hear about MSI's new BIOS |
| 13:28.34 | wols_ | MTristan_: 2.6.25.9 is not a legacy kernel |
| 13:28.35 | JyZyXEL | its graphical |
| 13:28.44 | JyZyXEL | has a internet browser |
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| 13:28.54 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: and this is debian related how? |
| 13:29.17 | idimmu | i was using graphical bioses with a mouse in 1996 |
| 13:29.18 | JyZyXEL | im sure it is |
| 13:29.25 | idimmu | they didnt have a webbrowser though |
| 13:29.29 | idimmu | to be fair |
| 13:29.33 | JyZyXEL | idimmu how bout a mediaplayer? |
| 13:29.38 | MTristan_ | wols_, I thought you were talking about the nVidia kernel... sorry |
| 13:29.40 | wols_ | JyZyXEL: #hardware |
| 13:29.47 | idimmu | strangly they didnt have that either |
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| 13:29.52 | JyZyXEL | =) |
| 13:29.59 | idimmu | sounds like linux-on-a-chip |
| 13:30.13 | JyZyXEL | yea :p |
| 13:30.16 | themill | points to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:30.42 | idimmu | middle fingers |
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| 13:31.01 | themill | ? |
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| 13:31.58 | MTristan_ | well, I'll see for that nVidia thing later |
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| 13:32.02 | MTristan_ | see you |
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| 13:40.12 | dagobart | hi, |
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| 13:40.42 | dagobart | what was the tool to re-configure the X settings in Debian, again? dpkg --reconfigure, apparently, was not. |
| 13:41.15 | petemc | !drxx |
| 13:41.15 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 13:41.35 | dagobart | petemc: thanks alot |
| 13:42.17 | petemc | np |
| 13:43.09 | DawnLight | hi petemc |
| 13:43.35 | petemc | 'lo |
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| 13:44.18 | enouf | petemc: it's a shame drxx does diddley in lenny and sid, afaik ;-) |
| 13:44.38 | themill | enouf: aiui it's getting better with more options being available to sid users now. |
| 13:44.41 | petemc | well, if xorg does its job its not so bad |
| 13:44.51 | abrotman | everything is supposed to get detected now .. with the xorg.conf being the overwrite .. but oh well |
| 13:44.54 | petemc | i have ran into some problems with it |
| 13:45.11 | enouf | you and ... many others |
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| 13:45.21 | abrotman | let's lynch gravity! |
| 13:45.22 | Reza | Hi |
| 13:45.25 | enouf | yay upstream |
| 13:45.30 | Reza | I have debian etch |
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| 13:45.33 | clamiax | hi |
| 13:45.41 | enouf | nah, he's our local hero - Kill the King i say! |
| 13:45.45 | jelly | abrotman: how can it detect I don't want VGA output to be on by default? |
| 13:45.48 | fas3r | i have active Xforwarding on sshd_config but i have problem with driver .. http://pastebin.com/m550d9be i think i need to recompil my kernel and add vesa driver .. |
| 13:45.53 | Terr1 | Can you enable long filenames with samba? Im trying to copy files from ntfs filesystem to linux ext3 using samba, and gets an error about too long filename (problem is samba not filesystem) |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | jelly: what do you want? |
| 13:45.56 | fas3r | if someone have 2 seconde :) |
| 13:46.01 | Reza | I want to add new variable to PATH, where does the path setting? |
| 13:46.07 | abrotman | Terr1: i'd probably ask #samba |
| 13:46.19 | clamiax | fas3r: shell initialization file |
| 13:46.24 | enouf | Reza: export PATH=$PATH:/path/new |
| 13:46.25 | abrotman | Reza: system wide or per user ? |
| 13:46.30 | Enforc3r | I need help to get my wifi card working |
| 13:46.31 | jelly | abrotman: the second output (named LVDS) to be primary and the only one active by default |
| 13:46.39 | Reza | for all users |
| 13:46.40 | clamiax | s/fas3r/Reza |
| 13:46.41 | abrotman | jelly: use xorg.conf! |
| 13:46.42 | enouf | Reza: then add that to your ~/.bashrc for $USER |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | Reza: /etc/profile |
| 13:46.47 | abrotman | !systemwide |
| 13:46.50 | abrotman | !system wide |
| 13:46.50 | dpkg | People who want to make things 'system wide' (aliases, environment variable changes, etc.) are control freaks. Leave your poor users alone. |
| 13:46.58 | clamiax | Reza: global shell initialization file. |
| 13:46.59 | jelly | abrotman: but everything should get detected by default! :-) |
| 13:47.03 | enouf | !exisiting users! |
| 13:47.08 | Reza | ok |
| 13:47.10 | enouf | oh well |
| 13:47.10 | abrotman | jelly: it is! .. it's just using the wrong one for output! |
| 13:47.17 | Reza | thanks, let me to check |
| 13:47.35 | enouf | jerbear: would that be LVDSDDC ? |
| 13:47.44 | enouf | bah, jelly i meant ,not jerbear |
| 13:47.55 | jelly | enouf: "LVDS" |
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| 13:48.20 | jelly | enouf: different drivers have different screen names |
| 13:48.21 | enouf | jelly: but but ... you have to know which one! the i2c one? |
| 13:48.27 | Enforc3r | howdo I run a .bin file? |
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| 13:48.30 | jelly | enouf: there is only one |
| 13:48.38 | fas3r | clamiax: whats the shell initialization file ? |
| 13:49.01 | themill | !wayttd fas3r |
| 13:49.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, fas3r? |
| 13:49.03 | enouf | jelly: no, there's not, there are parameters to it, which for all intents and purposes makes it more than 1 |
| 13:49.30 | jelly | enouf: oh, I see you can read the output of xrandr on my machine better than me |
| 13:49.44 | fas3r | themill: i have active Xforwarding on sshd_config but i have problem with driver .. http://pastebin.com/m550d9be (i think) |
| 13:50.13 | abrotman | Enforc3r: for what? |
| 13:50.24 | enouf | jelly: for all i know, you're machine sucks ;-) |
| 13:50.25 | enouf | your* |
| 13:50.30 | themill | fas3r: take a step back from this problem. What are you trying to achieve? Why are you running startx over ssh? |
| 13:50.31 | jelly | enouf: oh, fuckoff |
| 13:50.42 | abrotman | not again ... |
| 13:50.51 | abrotman | blames themill |
| 13:51.01 | clamiax | fas3r: sorry, i was talking with Reza. |
| 13:51.01 | enouf | haha.... |
| 13:51.06 | Enforc3r | I need help to get my wifi card working |
| 13:51.07 | clamiax | fas3r: it's the very first file run by the shell, btw. |
| 13:51.11 | Enforc3r | what do I have to install? |
| 13:51.17 | DawnLight | how's etch with the amd 7800G chipset? |
| 13:51.19 | clamiax | Enforc3r: the drivers, i guess. |
| 13:51.23 | DawnLight | i mean 780G |
| 13:51.24 | wols_ | Enforc3r: depends on your wlan chip |
| 13:51.31 | abrotman | clamiax: you should keep support in the channel |
| 13:51.40 | clamiax | abrotman: that's what i do. |
| 13:51.42 | Enforc3r | tell me a few and I will tell you what it is |
| 13:51.45 | Enforc3r | a something |
| 13:51.48 | Enforc3r | atl something |
| 13:51.59 | wols_ | !tell Enforc3r about what's my hardware |
| 13:52.05 | abrotman | clamiax: i meant with Reza |
| 13:52.07 | abrotman | anyways ... |
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| 13:52.27 | Enforc3r | atheros |
| 13:52.35 | clamiax | abrotman: yeah, people should think before ask by the way. Don't you agree? :) |
| 13:52.37 | wols_ | !tell Enforc3r about madwifi |
| 13:52.47 | abrotman | clamiax: ask what? to msg ? |
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| 13:53.35 | abrotman | did ath5k make it mainstream yet? |
| 13:53.46 | abrotman | ah .. yes it did |
| 13:53.56 | fas3r | themill: i configure X by ssh it's remote server |
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| 13:54.07 | enouf | i can't answer wifi questions ... i get myself into trouble .. i blame rahul! |
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| 13:54.34 | abrotman | oh .. i didn't realize ath5k was ... so .. useless |
| 13:54.35 | clamiax | abrotman: i meant before ask anything on channel. That's why i aswer badly, sometimes. |
| 13:54.36 | enouf | but allow me to interject; 'esta no workey welly' |
| 13:54.48 | abrotman | clamiax: ah ok |
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| 13:54.58 | abrotman | like .. what use is a wifi driver with no TX :) |
| 13:55.01 | Enforc3r | ok I got it installed |
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| 13:55.14 | wols_ | abrotman: sniffing :) |
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| 13:55.14 | Enforc3r | now how do I select my wifi network and connect to it? |
| 13:55.15 | stew | abrotman: snort |
| 13:55.20 | Enforc3r | its all dhcp |
| 13:55.33 | Enforc3r | im using eth0 at the moment |
| 13:55.43 | wols_ | Enforc3r: install wireless-tools and read its docs |
| 13:55.46 | abrotman | stew: i suppose .. but not really |
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| 14:01.11 | Reza | I added JAVA_HOME"/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun" and export JAVA_HOME |
| 14:01.18 | Reza | but dosen't work |
| 14:01.41 | Reza | there isn't any JAVA_HOME variable |
| 14:02.01 | Reza | I added them in /etc/profile |
| 14:02.29 | Reza | any idea? |
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| 14:02.54 | Reza | Where is the correct file for setting JAVA_HOME ? |
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| 14:04.39 | wols_ | export JAVA_HOME=.... and logout and in again |
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| 14:04.40 | themill | Reza: you shouldn't need to set JAVA_HOME for most things. |
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| 14:04.58 | Reza | wols_: I restarted |
| 14:05.16 | Reza | themill: I need to it |
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| 14:05.37 | themill | That's the right value for JAVA_HOME for the debian sun-java5 packages |
| 14:06.11 | Reza | I'm setting in /root/.bashrc |
| 14:06.57 | themill | Reza: and how are you logging in? |
| 14:06.59 | themill | ffs |
| 14:07.04 | dashs | Need to know how to set up dhcp3-server for a small lan with 3 fixed addresses (192.168.1.1-3) and a few dynamic |
| 14:07.10 | JyZyXEL | !ffs |
| 14:07.10 | dpkg | from memory, ffs is for fuck's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System, or for fearl's sake, or forgetfearl syndrome, or for Fooz' sake |
| 14:07.16 | dashs | Can I get a sample dhcpd.conf? |
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| 14:10.06 | joltcan | dashs: don't know which dhcp program you use, but have a look under /usr/share/doc/<dhcp-program>/examples |
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| 14:10.55 | fabin_ | i have debian in my laptop and desktop, how can i network both? |
| 14:11.14 | Nibbl | ping <ip of other host> |
| 14:11.23 | Nibbl | for example ;-) |
| 14:11.34 | JyZyXEL | fabin_ you could use ethernet |
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| 14:11.55 | Enforc3r | how can I make aterm start borderless, transparent and shaded? |
| 14:12.24 | JyZyXEL | Enforc3r aterm --help |
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| 14:12.56 | Enforc3r | that doesnt help |
| 14:12.59 | neonlightning | boarderless would be upto the wm wouldn't it |
| 14:13.02 | Enforc3r | thats just while its open |
| 14:13.13 | Enforc3r | I want to press aterm in the fluxbox menu and have it load like that |
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| 14:13.21 | neonlightning | the transp can be set in aterm |
| 14:13.35 | Enforc3r | whats the command? |
| 14:13.54 | neonlightning | Enforc3r, use the remember settings for fluxbox to do the rest but i'ed suggest using a keys file to turn off decorations |
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| 14:14.06 | neonlightning | idk i don't use transparent |
| 14:14.18 | Enforc3r | ? |
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| 14:14.28 | trinux | my goodness. i just compiled the first vanilla kernel since 2.4.x and there is thousands of configure options |
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| 14:14.45 | Shadur | You expected there not to be? |
| 14:15.12 | trinux | how do developers manage to understand all that _code_ |
| 14:15.16 | BrahmsC | welcome to choice land |
| 14:15.16 | rsk | trinux: there's 2000 lines of code added every day in average in the latest kernel |
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| 14:15.54 | BrahmsC | trinux: it's a team effort :) |
| 14:16.14 | trinux | hardware support for things i didnt know they exist :) |
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| 14:17.55 | trinux | kconfig and gconfig didnt pull cause they had lots of dependencies. and the menuconfig took me 1,5 hours :D |
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| 14:19.40 | thing1 | hi, this question is out of place but i can't seem to get into the #asterisk room even after ident myself |
| 14:19.44 | BrahmsC | i want to talk to a firmware /driver developper |
| 14:19.47 | BrahmsC | where can i find one |
| 14:19.48 | BrahmsC | ? |
| 14:19.49 | thing1 | is there something special i have to do |
| 14:20.24 | stew | thing1: ask #freenode |
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| 14:21.15 | trinux | thing1: i think you need to register a nick, identify and then join #asterisk |
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| 14:22.42 | thing1 | i did |
| 14:22.53 | trinux | brahmana: kml - kernel mailing list |
| 14:23.03 | trinux | brahmana: sorry, i mean BrahmsC |
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| 14:23.39 | trinux | thing1: no. your whois says nothing about "is identified to services" and thats what you have to do |
| 14:23.55 | trinux | but as you said yourself, thats off-topic here :) |
| 14:24.04 | trinux | hides |
| 14:24.13 | pete__ | hide is no supported. join #hide |
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| 14:24.42 | trinux | thats funny, an australian guy sits on there :D |
| 14:25.10 | trinux | oh, its a python bot |
| 14:25.19 | trinux | dpkg: python |
| 14:25.19 | dpkg | from memory, python is a very nice scripting language, easy to learn and still quite powerful and elegant if you know how to use it, or see http://python.org/topics/learn/, or #python |
| 14:26.10 | seriouslycgi | ive compiled an application, only to read on later in the tutorial i should have ./configure with an extra option what do i do because i think that option is important to the over all install of what im trying to get running? |
| 14:26.14 | SeJo | i still get eqcht time i try to install something the message that it will remove 69 packages |
| 14:26.19 | SeJo | however i want to keep them |
| 14:26.33 | SeJo | i have unmarked them i think in add/remove programs |
| 14:26.41 | SeJo | how can i purge the list? |
| 14:26.47 | trinux | seriouslycgi: you need to "make clean" and recompile |
| 14:26.51 | pete__ | seriouslycgi: run ./configure --help and you see options. Then run make clean and start from configure |
| 14:27.01 | BrahmsC | looks like i have to write to Alan Cox |
| 14:27.14 | seriouslycgi | ive already make installed does that matter? |
| 14:27.31 | BrahmsC | i had a problem with a cd-rom, do i send him the error log and that's it ? |
| 14:27.32 | trinux | SeJo: purge the list where? in aptitude? |
| 14:27.35 | seriouslycgi | trinux, pete__ |
| 14:27.38 | steven | hi |
| 14:27.39 | pete__ | depenps many thinks.. |
| 14:27.39 | SeJo | trinux: yes |
| 14:27.47 | pete__ | try make uninstall. What are you installing? |
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| 14:27.52 | SeJo | trinux so i can do apt-get install again |
| 14:28.04 | steven | i just configured bonding on 2 interfaces is there anyway i can set a device as down to test the failover |
| 14:28.06 | seriouslycgi | pete__ http://www.howtoforge.com/how-to-configure-rtgui-for-rtorrent |
| 14:28.16 | steven | without actually unpluging the switch .... |
| 14:28.36 | pete__ | ok. I guess uninstall is not so important |
| 14:28.37 | mordy | what's the difference between XDMCP and something like - say - nxserver? |
| 14:28.44 | stew | SeJo: there is a "forget pending actions" or something in the actions menu in aptitude |
| 14:28.45 | pete__ | if you don't going to use --prefix |
| 14:28.52 | SeJo | ok thanks stew |
| 14:28.53 | steven | mordy: compression |
| 14:29.04 | steven | mordy: +some fancy proxy stuff |
| 14:29.08 | BrahmsC | i need help to write this email! the best i think is to tell him the cd-rom name and number with the error log + which machine i had this error, is this all he needs ? |
| 14:29.29 | mordy | steven - xnserver has it? or lacks it? |
| 14:29.42 | steven | nxserver has it sorry |
| 14:29.50 | steven | NX is much faster than plain X |
| 14:30.06 | mordy | even over lan? |
| 14:30.11 | steven | + handles remote drive mounts and audio as well |
| 14:30.20 | steven | yes even over lan :) |
| 14:30.25 | trinux | isnt howtoforge.com this evil site where you need to click banners or pay to see the answer? |
| 14:30.38 | pete__ | trinux: nope. its expertexchange |
| 14:30.39 | mordy | what about graphics? where is it rendered? |
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| 14:30.56 | steven | NX is like X works the same |
| 14:30.57 | trinux | oh yeah, expertexchange. what a dumb concept of a site |
| 14:30.59 | idimmu | you dont need to pay with expertsexchange |
| 14:31.02 | idimmu | you can just scroll DOWN a lot |
| 14:31.05 | pete__ | trinux: yep |
| 14:31.14 | mordy | steven - and how do they work? |
| 14:31.19 | steven | just with a layer in between that does compression + some fancy stuff so that requests that don't need to go the client donw |
| 14:31.29 | steven | mordy: ready the NX docs :) |
| 14:31.44 | mordy | meh, i just want to know what X does first |
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| 14:31.52 | TXX | Guys i got a problem |
| 14:31.54 | mordy | then i'll decide if i want to pain myself with nx |
| 14:32.16 | steven | NX is just as easy to set up :) |
| 14:32.20 | steven | and a lot more secure |
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| 14:32.27 | steven | everything happens over SSH |
| 14:32.40 | mordy | lol |
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| 14:33.24 | abrotman | oh jeez .. not again |
| 14:33.36 | abrotman | mordy: please don't screw up your box with NX again |
| 14:33.40 | jerng | hi all, i'm having a problem with compiling a project: 'configure' says, package 'hal' was not found in the pkg-config search path and supposes to add the directory containing 'hal.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH env-variable. but i installed 'hal' via apt-get, and neither a file called 'hal.pc' exists nor the env-variabe exists. any ideas what i'm doing wrong? :( |
| 14:33.42 | seriouslycgi | pete__ can i just re-install over the top or will that mess things up? i missed out the ./configure --with-xmlrpc-c because the tutorial doesnt ask for it just says to do it later on |
| 14:34.11 | pete__ | seriouslycgi: it wont mess |
| 14:34.17 | mordy | abrotman - i'm not thinking about nxserver now - i guess i meant freenx |
| 14:34.24 | abrotman | mordy: please don't screw up your box with NX again |
| 14:34.25 | abrotman | :) |
| 14:34.47 | Fettishpettish | I need help getting bittorrent through iptables. Here is the output of iptables -L http://pastebin.com/m330131d2 can someone check it? |
| 14:34.50 | SeJo | i found a foret new packages but not a pending actions removal |
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| 14:35.24 | extor | I did a random ps aux and noticed that ntop was running, yet I don't remember starting ntop yesterday. There is nobody else logged on so it got me wondering what kind of a script would run such a long winded ntop argument and leave it running? Into a pipe? |
| 14:35.33 | TXX | I have a problem getting debian to work with my wifi adapters, though they both run fine and without problems on ubuntu |
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| 14:35.39 | mordy | abrotman - XDMCP is fine for me - i just want to know where it renders the graphics :-? does it render it remotely? if not, is there something that does? |
| 14:36.02 | extor | http://pastebin.ca/1078417 <--- Does this spawn of ntop look suspicious? |
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| 14:37.00 | o2T7 | Where is the netinst cd image for sid? |
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| 14:37.28 | beardy | It isn't. You install and upgrade. |
| 14:37.37 | joltcan | o2T7: There is none. Install etch/lenny and upgrade |
| 14:37.38 | o2T7 | Oh, ok, thanks beardy |
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| 14:37.42 | o2T7 | fine |
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| 14:38.13 | beardy | No problem. |
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| 14:39.11 | epsilon | or install & upgrade in debootstrap, it should be more minimalistic |
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| 14:39.57 | Enforc3r | whats an easy way to connect to my wireless network? |
| 14:40.13 | o2T7 | epsilon: Thanks, I appreciate minimalism :) |
| 14:40.14 | jelly | extor: [ntop] -- there's an init script for it |
| 14:40.14 | trinux | yeah, get the net-install CD for Lenny, do a base install only and then dist-upgrade to Sid |
| 14:40.41 | extor | jelly, but why is it running like a daemon? |
| 14:40.43 | o2T7 | Enforc3r: edit /etc/network/interfaces and restart network services |
| 14:40.49 | extor | I thought it only ran when you invoked it |
| 14:40.54 | Enforc3r | its dhcp |
| 14:41.00 | Enforc3r | so what would I put in? |
| 14:41.01 | SeJo | do i need special sources to be able to install fspot? |
| 14:41.05 | o2T7 | Enforc3r: man interfaces |
| 14:41.11 | abrotman | SeJo: it's in main |
| 14:41.14 | jelly | extor: it _is_ a daemon |
| 14:41.24 | extor | is it sucking up resources right now? |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | !info f-spot etch |
| 14:41.33 | SeJo | i'm on lenny |
| 14:41.39 | abrotman | !info f-spot lenny |
| 14:41.43 | sladi | mordy: You need 3d desktop over lan? |
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| 14:41.52 | Enforc3r | # The primary network interface |
| 14:41.52 | Enforc3r | auto eth0 |
| 14:41.53 | Enforc3r | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 14:41.55 | yhan | hi |
| 14:42.01 | dpkg | f-spot: (personal photo management application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.2.1-1.1 (etch), Packaged size: 964 kB, Installed size: 3388 kB |
| 14:42.03 | Enforc3r | should I change that to auto ath0 |
| 14:42.13 | yhan | is there anytool I could use to monitor the file activity on debian ? |
| 14:42.14 | sladi | mordy: ^^ VirtualGL with TurboVNC does it and xf4vnc apparently too. |
| 14:42.14 | mordy | sladi - pretty much - |
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| 14:42.20 | dpkg | f-spot: (personal photo management application), section gnome, is optional. Version: 0.4.4-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 2530 kB, Installed size: 9284 kB |
| 14:42.23 | jelly | extor: it swings both ways, and yes, it's doing its dirty deed even now. Kill it! Kill it! ... then also remove the link in /etc/rc2.d, either using update-rc.d or manually |
| 14:42.31 | Enforc3r | and iface ath0 inet dhcp face ath0 inet dhcp |
| 14:42.35 | SeJo | hmm weird |
| 14:42.37 | abrotman | SeJo: so it's f-spot .. not fspot |
| 14:42.42 | sladi | mordy: I still havent tried them though. |
| 14:42.45 | yhan | like user xyz has writen that file on friday 10th march 2008 ? |
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| 14:42.53 | mordy | sladi - VNC is horribly slow - and i like the native format of XDMCP better than any VLC connection |
| 14:43.04 | abrotman | yhan: accounting maybe |
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| 14:43.08 | Enforc3r | ? |
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| 14:43.38 | mordy | i'm googling these things - i don't see much information - :( |
| 14:43.44 | o2T7 | Enforc3r: man interfaces and man wireless-tools |
| 14:43.45 | sladi | mordy: those two are made for it. 100mb lan provides about 30 fps iirc. VirtualGL site has a report on it in PDF |
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| 14:43.51 | yhan | it's a requierement asked by SOX |
| 14:44.11 | mordy | hmm... this is interesting sladi |
| 14:44.21 | abrotman | yhan: maybe inotify ? |
| 14:44.29 | jelly | abrotman: accounting is usually "process accounting" |
| 14:44.46 | mordy | supported by debian? |
| 14:44.54 | yhan | yes |
| 14:45.01 | Enforc3r | no manual entry for wireless-tools |
| 14:45.06 | jelly | yhan: I don't think you'll get to be S-OX compliant with Debian easily :-| |
| 14:45.40 | sladi | mordy: packages are not in repos afaik. |
| 14:45.57 | o2T7 | Enforc3r: Sorry, man wireless |
| 14:46.01 | yhan | umm I don;t want to run fucking redhat :) |
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| 14:46.07 | yhan | debian is so cool |
| 14:46.11 | abrotman | jelly: you could track the processes that change files! :) |
| 14:46.12 | sladi | mordy: you need a fast pc though. the client should have 1ghz. |
| 14:46.20 | SeJo | thx updating showed it in the list |
| 14:46.22 | jelly | yhan: ie there might be building blocks for that, but you'll have to configure and build a logging app, test the whole shebang etc |
| 14:46.35 | mordy | sladi - i want the opposite actually - i want to load everything unto the server |
| 14:46.41 | Enforc3r | iwconfig ath0 something |
| 14:46.45 | Enforc3r | to set to dhcp |
| 14:46.49 | jelly | yhan: you can run fucknig centos? |
| 14:46.50 | Enforc3r | whats the string? |
| 14:46.51 | yhan | jelly, ok thanks |
| 14:46.56 | mordy | i just don't know how it's done :-( |
| 14:47.03 | yhan | no please no rpm based distros |
| 14:47.09 | sladi | mordy: virtualgl has a variant where x11 is rendered locally on the client and 3d apps are started with a special command. it's easier on the network. |
| 14:47.13 | SeJo | yhan: use gento |
| 14:47.17 | SeJo | gentoo |
| 14:47.20 | flami | Hi, I accidentely compiled and installed a littleprogram to /usr/local/bin , when i noticed it I installed it to /usr/bin , but bash still looks in /usr/local/bin . how can i make bash check the right place ? |
| 14:47.20 | SeJo | :p |
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| 14:47.29 | yhan | I've just migrated my servers with etch |
| 14:47.33 | mordy | hehe sladi - i'm looking for quite the opposite - is server rendering the standard on X? |
| 14:47.47 | sladi | mordy: yes, the server does everything, except for the variant of virtualgl (virtualgl image transport). |
| 14:47.53 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sox+compliance+debian+&btnG=Google+Search |
| 14:47.59 | yhan | there is the auditd package |
| 14:48.07 | o2T7 | Enforc3r: You must understand how it works, not simple run a line and ask each time your machine reboots |
| 14:48.14 | sladi | mordy: i see^^ |
| 14:48.16 | yhan | though it's unstable or testing |
| 14:48.17 | o2T7 | s/simple/simply/ |
| 14:48.50 | SPF | pete__: I finally got through dpkg-reconfigure -a but mysqld wont start |
| 14:49.06 | pete__ | SPF: what did it say? |
| 14:49.10 | Enforc3r | why cant I just add that line each time? |
| 14:49.23 | sladi | mordy: What do you want to do. You need the apps to be on a server and the client renders it. I did that with nfs-root and pxe netboot. |
| 14:49.51 | Enforc3r | will wifiradar do it? |
| 14:49.59 | o2T7 | Enforc3r: Because you haven't it? |
| 14:50.51 | SPF | pete__: http://pastebin.org/54806 |
| 14:50.52 | mordy | sladi - i want everything to be on the server graphics-wise: if i have a dedicated accelerated graphics card on the server and a slow integrated card on the client, i wouldn't want *any* rendering on the client -- |
| 14:51.04 | pete__ | SPF: try mysqld-safe. First be sure that there are no existing mysqldd processes |
| 14:51.14 | pete__ | SPF: put that output to pastebin also |
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| 14:52.24 | sladi | mordy: xf4vnc and virtualgl do that. :) |
| 14:53.05 | sladi | mordy: one of them doesn't even need x on the client (I think it was virtualgl). |
| 14:53.38 | Enforc3r | im using WiFi Radar |
| 14:53.45 | Enforc3r | but it sits on Acquiring IP Address |
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| 14:55.37 | mordy | yeah, just tried to play a video logged into X - horrible |
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| 14:56.06 | SPF | pete__: mysqld_safe wont start either ( pastebin updated ) |
| 14:59.36 | pete__ | SPF: can't see update in pastebin |
| 14:59.50 | seriouslycgi | can someone help me to compile xmlrpc i keep getting an error at the end of the make file |
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| 15:00.19 | flami | Enforc3r: if you just want to use your wlan card , you might want to try NetworkManager ( comes with GUI fro KDE or Gnome ), its a really nice tool. |
| 15:00.26 | pete__ | seriouslycgi: apt-get install xmlrpc ? why you compile everyting from source? |
| 15:00.39 | SPF | pete__: id changed somehow: http://pastebin.org/54812 |
| 15:00.43 | seriouslycgi | im just doing what the tutorial says lol |
| 15:01.01 | NET||abuse | hey guys, set our test install of debian to the same system domain as our bloody crappy windows 2003 server, caused some dns conflicts. How do you reste the system domain away from "windomain.local" to something like "local.ourdomain.com" |
| 15:01.22 | pete__ | SPF: do you have replication turned on? Do you have some kind of cluster setup? It's asking bin.index |
| 15:01.34 | NET||abuse | is it as easy as just changing the /etc/hosts file, or should i use a specific command? |
| 15:01.39 | seriouslycgi | pete__ couldnt find package xmlrpc |
| 15:01.42 | pete__ | seriouslycgi: sound pretty weird tutorial :) |
| 15:01.55 | SPF | pete__: I'm not familiar with mysql replication. So I think it's not turned on |
| 15:02.10 | seriouslycgi | yeah im begining to want to give up its taken me two days of errors |
| 15:02.24 | pete__ | SPF: you would know if you are using it :) Check that /var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index file exist and mysql:mysql has read/write access to it |
| 15:02.44 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | Where should my make install script place application icons and desktop entries in? |
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| 15:03.07 | cjg | sudo route ath0 add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:03.10 | cjg | what am I doing wrong |
| 15:03.12 | cjg | I want to add a route for the interface ath0 |
| 15:03.27 | crashanddie | cjg, you're using sudo? :P |
| 15:03.36 | cjg | nah |
| 15:03.39 | crashanddie | cjg, and you're not giving an error message |
| 15:03.39 | cjg | thats not it |
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| 15:03.45 | crashanddie | cjg, which tends to help when troubleshooting |
| 15:04.12 | cjg | well it doesnt work |
| 15:04.16 | cjg | its not the right comamnd |
| 15:04.22 | pete__ | omg |
| 15:04.27 | cjg | whats the commands to add a route to the interface ath0 |
| 15:04.49 | cjg | please |
| 15:04.53 | cjg | thats all I wanna know |
| 15:04.55 | seriouslycgi | can anyone come into #flood and give me any idea what i need to do to stop this error? |
| 15:05.12 | pete__ | route add -net 192.168.0.1 -netmask 255.255.255.0 gw 192.168.1.1 dev ath0 |
| 15:05.42 | SPF | pete__: it's mysql:adm, is that ok? mod -rw-rw---- |
| 15:05.46 | seriouslycgi | please? |
| 15:06.02 | seriouslycgi | pretty please :) |
| 15:06.36 | pete__ | SPF: errorcode 13 is "Permission Denied" Yep. Change it |
| 15:06.41 | cjg | grrr this is shitting me |
| 15:06.52 | cjg | I dunno whats going on with this wifi |
| 15:06.59 | cjg | I dont understand man wireless |
| 15:07.04 | cjg | how to set it to dchp |
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| 15:07.19 | cjg | please someone explain an example command |
| 15:07.20 | pete__ | cjg: do you have WEP or WPA ? |
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| 15:07.35 | cjg | WEP |
| 15:07.37 | cjg | I think |
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| 15:08.03 | pete__ | then you need to setup those. Don't ask me how |
| 15:08.18 | pete__ | dpkg: tell cjg about wireless |
| 15:08.19 | cjg | this is bullshit |
| 15:08.34 | cjg | they make it ridiculesly hard |
| 15:08.50 | petemc | cjg: they? |
| 15:08.54 | SPF | pete__: http://pastebin.org/54822 |
| 15:09.03 | neonlightning | trinux, man i finally got my whole list put into bmpx hit play and it crashed |
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| 15:09.46 | pete__ | SPF: it reads there that it does not have access to /ibdata1. Take eye on hand :) |
| 15:09.48 | cjg | http://wiki.debian.org/WiFiI dont have 10 hours to spend setting it up |
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| 15:09.58 | cjg | pete__: us |
| 15:10.22 | trinux | neonlightning: one solution: make a few categories so you can split the huge playlist in smaller ones |
| 15:10.32 | pete__ | cjg: you sould have there some kind of grapphical shit for that |
| 15:10.52 | SPF | pete__: ah, in /var/lib. iirc when I installed mysql for the first time, the user was messagebus. I think the upgrade changed to user mysql |
| 15:11.02 | pete__ | SPF: lol :) |
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| 15:11.21 | neonlightning | its just sad that the three programs that can load my list don't work xmms2 gives me a high pitched noise even when its just running and not playing mpd needs pulse and xmms isn't around anymore |
| 15:11.37 | pete__ | SPF: chown -R mysql:adm /var/lib/mysql /var/log/apache |
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| 15:12.11 | trinux | neonlightning: build the old xmms from source maybe |
| 15:12.26 | neonlightning | was thinkin about it but i don't know if the deps are still in even |
| 15:12.39 | pete__ | SPF: lol. /var/log/mysql i mean :DD |
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| 15:12.59 | pete__ | i don't know where the apache come from :) |
| 15:13.09 | gabunga | hi all |
| 15:13.26 | trinux | neonlightning: the source, from the upstream authors |
| 15:13.32 | gabunga | i am trying to copy from aremote server updated file |
| 15:13.40 | gabunga | is there any command? |
| 15:13.40 | SPF | pete__: now we're back to File '/var/log/mysql/mysql-bin.index' not found |
| 15:13.51 | pete__ | SPF: are you sure the file is there? |
| 15:13.51 | SPF | so I guess it's mysql:mysql |
| 15:13.51 | trinux | gabunga: scp when ssh is installed |
| 15:13.53 | neonlightning | trinux, not sure what you mean |
| 15:13.58 | SPF | pete__: yes |
| 15:14.04 | gabunga | thank you trinux |
| 15:14.11 | pete__ | SPF: -rw-rw---- 1 mysql adm 14400 Jul 21 07:25 mysql-bin.index |
| 15:14.16 | gabunga | i have tryid with scp |
| 15:14.21 | pete__ | that's mine and its working. |
| 15:14.27 | trinux | neonlightning: my mistake. i read debs instead of deps |
| 15:14.34 | SPF | pete__: same |
| 15:14.36 | gabunga | but how can i cope only updated file |
| 15:14.45 | neonlightning | trinux, lol k |
| 15:14.50 | gabunga | which option to use with scp |
| 15:14.56 | cjg | do I have to remove my eth0 card or stop it or something before I can access the net via wifi? |
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| 15:15.18 | mordy | while i'm on the topic of remote desktop, i'm wondering if there's some way i can enable remote applications. X forces me to use the entire remote desktop and VLC is too slow - but what about things like messaging programs? |
| 15:15.21 | pete__ | SPF: check that there are NO mysqld processes already. chmod 777 to that bastard and try to fire it up |
| 15:15.36 | pete__ | SPF: sound pretty weird |
| 15:15.54 | SPF | pete__: according to /etc/mysql/my.cnf mysql runs as messagebus |
| 15:15.56 | neonlightning | cjg, network-manager-gnome not working well for you? |
| 15:16.03 | pete__ | SPF: well change it :)) |
| 15:16.08 | pete__ | SPF: what a fuck.. |
| 15:16.11 | mordy | you either have VNC which basically makes an image of your desktop and sends it accross the network, or you have something like XDMPC which forces you to open an entire new session |
| 15:16.27 | pete__ | SPF: it defenatily should not run as messagebus :)) |
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| 15:16.59 | pete__ | SPF: check that it's running mysq:mysql |
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| 15:17.46 | SPF | pete__: mysqld is running now |
| 15:17.52 | cjg | I can get it to connect |
| 15:17.57 | cjg | but no net acitivity |
| 15:18.00 | cjg | like no route to the net |
| 15:18.15 | pete__ | SPF: great. You should check once the permissions. that there are no 777. |
| 15:18.29 | neonlightning | cjg, can you even ping the router? |
| 15:18.30 | pete__ | cjg: did you setup the web-key somewhere? |
| 15:18.33 | cjg | no |
| 15:18.37 | cjg | yes |
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| 15:18.45 | neonlightning | k |
| 15:18.58 | neonlightning | i believe network manager allows you to arrange them by priority actually |
| 15:19.22 | neonlightning | i had the same problem in fedora once i was using my neighbours wifi or if it was down my slow connection :P |
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| 15:20.02 | neonlightning | networkmanager likes to prioritise the ethernet connections |
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| 15:20.41 | cjg | how do I run networkmanager gnome? |
| 15:21.15 | superlinux | to all arabs here, and lovers of debian.. I have made in-Arabic tutorials about Debian Linux. search for " superlinux " in videos.google.com. |
| 15:21.48 | cjg | im not using gnome im using fluxbox |
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| 15:22.38 | cjg | I can't figure it out |
| 15:23.08 | pete__ | cjg: nm-applet |
| 15:23.45 | cjg | (nm-applet:6785): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion `G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed |
| 15:24.09 | pete__ | cjg: run it as same user what x is running |
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| 15:24.17 | cjg | I am |
| 15:24.31 | cjg | oh |
| 15:24.32 | cjg | oops |
| 15:24.33 | pete__ | cjg: you are doing something wrong. try alt+f2 and write it there |
| 15:24.43 | cjg | I did |
| 15:25.35 | cjg | it says The NetworkManager Applet could not find some required resources. It cannot continue. |
| 15:26.26 | cjg | ** (nm-applet:6796): WARNING **: Icon nm-no-connection missing: Icon 'nm-no-connection' not present in theme |
| 15:26.42 | pete__ | haha |
| 15:26.48 | cjg | ? |
| 15:26.52 | pete__ | no icon - no software |
| 15:27.02 | cjg | I need an icon? |
| 15:27.06 | ootput | which tool can i use to determing the keysym for, say, right alt? |
| 15:27.12 | ootput | *determine |
| 15:27.16 | pete__ | guess so. Do you have some kind of sick theme there? |
| 15:27.16 | cjg | wtf |
| 15:27.22 | cjg | no |
| 15:27.24 | cjg | just fluxbox |
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| 15:28.14 | HaCk_BuRn | ciao a tutti |
| 15:28.23 | cjg | how can I get this workin? |
| 15:28.29 | pete__ | cjg: no idea |
| 15:28.48 | cjg | well whats the iwconfig command? |
| 15:28.55 | mimcpher | ootput, there's an app "xev" that'll help you |
| 15:29.02 | pete__ | cjg: it's what you want |
| 15:29.09 | pete__ | cjg: man pages man pages... |
| 15:29.15 | cjg | I dont understand it |
| 15:29.20 | cjg | its jibberish |
| 15:29.20 | pete__ | google? |
| 15:29.26 | cjg | to me |
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| 15:29.59 | cjg | I need to find someone to pay to set it up for me |
| 15:30.06 | cjg | $50 |
| 15:30.27 | pete__ | i can do it from here if you have somekind of connection and ssh :) |
| 15:30.37 | cjg | yeah ok |
| 15:31.35 | ootput | mimcpher: man page doesn't show how to quit the program without issuing C-c, that would be interpreted by the program itself |
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| 15:36.09 | themill | ootput: ^C in the shell from which youi started it, not on the xev window |
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| 15:47.44 | NET||abuse | hi guys, set up a new debian box today, set the server domain to the same as the local windows domain, decided that having them live in the same zone is not healthy for the debian box, windows is screwy |
| 15:48.18 | NET||abuse | so instead i want to change the fqdn of the server permenantly to a different domain, not ntdom.local, more like hostname.ourdomain.tld |
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| 15:48.47 | NET||abuse | then i'll deal with the windows dns service to allow an addition to the ourdomain.com zone for that server by hand, also that's fine as it's on a static ip on the network |
| 15:49.18 | NET||abuse | but still stuck on the step, how do you change the domain of the debian server on a permenant standing |
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| 15:50.50 | StyXman | NET||abuse: /etc/hostname, /etc/hosts |
| 15:51.17 | NET||abuse | will that change thing permenantly? so when it reboots or netowrk service restarts all will be set to the new values ? |
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| 15:52.03 | StyXman | NET||abuse: now that you mention it, you could need to reconfigure at least your mta |
| 15:52.15 | jonkri | installing debian, i chose the guided option and to have all files on one partition. my question is: since the installation suggests using ext3, will grub be able to boot it? or do i have to create a /boot partition manually? |
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| 15:53.02 | Ace2016_- | no, booting to ext3 will be fine |
| 15:53.19 | Ace2016_- | if you choose xfs or jfs then you'd need a /boot |
| 15:53.30 | jonkri | ok, because when i did the partitioning manually before i got a grub error 18 |
| 15:53.45 | jonkri | and i chose bootable on the partition and installed into the mbr |
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| 15:54.10 | jonkri | oh, i see now that has to do with something else :S |
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| 15:54.39 | Ace2016_- | http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/GRUB#Error_18 |
| 15:55.09 | NET||abuse | need to flush our local dns cache from failed dns lookups, dig and nslookup work ok now,, |
| 15:55.15 | jonkri | ok, i'll use a boot after all then :) |
| 15:55.19 | NET||abuse | how do you just flush the local mahcines dns cache? |
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| 15:55.26 | abrotman | reboot |
| 15:55.39 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: is it running a nameserver? |
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| 15:55.48 | NET||abuse | abrotman: that's not an imporovement on our current solutions :) |
| 15:56.03 | abrotman | NET||abuse: if it's not running a nameserver, that's your solution |
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| 15:56.13 | NET||abuse | it's not running a nameserver |
| 15:56.16 | \amethyst | well, there's also restarting nscd |
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| 15:56.23 | \amethyst | if nscd is running, anyway |
| 15:56.24 | NET||abuse | nscd eh? ok |
| 15:56.36 | \amethyst | are you sure the cache is on the local machine? |
| 15:56.40 | \amethyst | and not on your nameserver? |
| 15:57.09 | sisil | hi...what is in dvd 2 and 3 debian?i have installed all softwares from dvd 1?do i must download them? |
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| 15:57.23 | Ace2016_- | do a netinstall |
| 15:57.45 | StyXman | sisil: once installled, a debian can fetch packages from the net directly |
| 15:58.10 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 15:58.11 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 15:58.31 | sisil | ok..thanks |
| 15:58.36 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: the nscd thing is assuming that 1. nscd is running 2. you have enable-cache hosts yes in /etc/nscd.conf |
| 15:58.51 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: otherwise, there isn't a local cache, except perhaps per-application |
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| 15:59.26 | NET||abuse | amethyst: basically the ping is failing, but nslookup | dig both work fine on www.google.com |
| 15:59.32 | NET||abuse | it's odd. |
| 16:00.15 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: what about getent hosts www.google.com ? |
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| 16:00.32 | NET||abuse | so i thought must be a dns cache on the local machine, the local LAN dns server is a windows 2003 sbs server. i cleared it's cache and reloaded data files and restarted that services a few times to be sure |
| 16:00.47 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: the difference is that nslookup and dig go directly to the name server, while everything else goes through nsswitch |
| 16:00.49 | NET||abuse | i didn't see any evidence of nscd |
| 16:00.56 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: hm |
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| 16:01.02 | NET||abuse | but we just rebooted |
| 16:01.13 | valdyn | NET||abuse: look at /etc/nsswitch.conf |
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| 16:02.06 | \amethyst | hm |
| 16:02.17 | \amethyst | would an mdns daemon do that kind of caching? |
| 16:02.30 | NET||abuse | hmm, just to be sure, ping www.google.com return connect:NEtwork is unreachable.. |
| 16:02.41 | NET||abuse | yet getent hosts www.google.com is returning the 3 google ips |
| 16:02.45 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: what makes you think that's a name server problem? |
| 16:02.55 | valdyn | NET||abuse: why do you think that this is dns related? |
| 16:03.03 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: sounds more like a routing problem. perhaps a router blocking ICMP echo-requests |
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| 16:03.16 | dam85 | hello everybody |
| 16:03.19 | dam85 | i have to isntall wine |
| 16:03.24 | dam85 | but i get this error |
| 16:03.31 | NET||abuse | amethyst: router allows ping from all other hosts on the lan |
| 16:03.33 | wols_ | NET||abuse: do you get the google page in a browser? |
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| 16:03.47 | dam85 | wine: Depend: libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) but is not installable |
| 16:03.55 | dam85 | what can i do? |
| 16:03.59 | leon6096 | gggü |
| 16:04.00 | dam85 | i have debian testing |
| 16:04.00 | valdyn | dam85: wait till its fixed |
| 16:04.01 | wols_ | dam85: where do you get this wine debs? |
| 16:04.12 | dam85 | apt-get <-- |
| 16:04.15 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: what about the machine itself? Do you have bad iptables rules? |
| 16:04.23 | wols_ | that's no answer. debian repo or winehq repo |
| 16:04.39 | valdyn | i know debian just did some libldap transition |
| 16:04.39 | dam85 | valdyn: has problems? |
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| 16:04.58 | dam85 | valdyn: has libldap2 problems? |
| 16:04.58 | NET||abuse | hmm, default debian install, shouldn't ahve any trouble with iptables. |
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| 16:05.15 | valdyn | dam85: its being transitioned to a new name |
| 16:05.23 | wols_ | NET||abuse: check your iptables if any |
| 16:05.27 | dam85 | :( |
| 16:05.31 | dam85 | so what is the new name? |
| 16:05.32 | wols_ | NET||abuse: and can you browser the web with a browser? |
| 16:05.34 | valdyn | dam85: you can try installing libldap if its in testing already |
| 16:05.48 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: if you don't have a browser: printf 'GET / HTTP/1.0\r\n\r\n' | nc www.google.com 80 |
| 16:05.50 | NET||abuse | wols_: default deb install, no X, no browsers.. |
| 16:05.56 | valdyn | dam85: check its version |
| 16:05.58 | dam85 | mmm libdap not found! |
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| 16:06.03 | NET||abuse | amethyst: impecible timing |
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| 16:06.04 | wols_ | NET||abuse: then get a browser. use apt-get. |
| 16:06.12 | valdyn | !why is libldap not in testing |
| 16:06.12 | dpkg | libldap is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=libldap |
| 16:06.18 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: you'll need to install netcat for that, or use telnet instead of nc |
| 16:06.19 | valdyn | dam85: read ^^^ |
| 16:06.27 | dam85 | ops |
| 16:06.30 | dam85 | sorry |
| 16:06.37 | dam85 | so i can't use the last wine version :( |
| 16:06.38 | valdyn | ops |
| 16:06.43 | leon6096 | dam85 hiii |
| 16:06.50 | \amethyst | NET||abuse: hm, actually, looks like telnet mangles something or other so it doesn't work; so you will need netcat |
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| 16:06.57 | dam85 | wine 1.1.1 |
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| 16:07.03 | valdyn | !info libldap2 sid |
| 16:07.07 | leon6096 | dam85 hiii |
| 16:07.12 | dam85 | hi :) |
| 16:07.19 | wols_ | \amethyst: to connect to google you can still use it. all we want to know is: does tcp connections work? |
| 16:07.22 | leon6096 | women? man? |
| 16:07.28 | dam85 | °_° |
| 16:07.29 | wols_ | and if not: NIC problem |
| 16:07.39 | leon6096 | ? |
| 16:07.44 | leon6096 | stubeet |
| 16:07.54 | \amethyst | wols_: that's true |
| 16:07.55 | dam85 | valdyn: no info |
| 16:08.08 | leon6096 | dam 85? |
| 16:08.20 | valdyn | dam85: looks like you are using a package not made for debian |
| 16:08.35 | dam85 | leon6096: what do you want???? |
| 16:08.41 | dam85 | valdyn: impossible |
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| 16:08.50 | dam85 | i install always with apt-get |
| 16:08.51 | wols_ | dam85: apt-cache policy wine |
| 16:09.00 | twobitwork | I tried installing debian lenny on a laptop with an atheros wifi card... but debian didn't detect it or set it up... |
| 16:09.02 | valdyn | dam85: that doesnt mean that its made for debian |
| 16:09.05 | wols_ | dam85: but from what repo? |
| 16:09.05 | leon6096 | men ? women? |
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| 16:09.11 | twobitwork | is this because madwifi is non-free? |
| 16:09.19 | wols_ | !tell twobitwork about madwifi |
| 16:09.29 | dam85 | one moment i post the file |
| 16:10.04 | twobitwork | wols_: yes, I've read that thanks... but why isn't the installer aware of it? |
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| 16:10.11 | simard | my debian (lenny) kernel hangs saying: waiting for root filesystem, does anyone know what can do that ? my debian partition is a xfs one, in /dev/sda5 which is a logicial partition in my extended partition, grub is at /dev/sda and configured by /dev/sda1 |
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| 16:10.13 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/334269 |
| 16:10.15 | valdyn | hmm, etch still has libldap2, guess your wine is made for debian/stable |
| 16:10.18 | dam85 | wrong? |
| 16:10.21 | wols_ | twobitwork: what's the point when there are no drivers? |
| 16:10.45 | NET||abuse | turns out no gateway, sorry fo rthe hastle. |
| 16:10.51 | wols_ | dam85: yes wrong. read the command I gave you again and use THAT |
| 16:11.08 | twobitwork | wols_: no drivers? I though madwifi was the driver... |
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| 16:11.19 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/334270 |
| 16:11.20 | wols_ | twobitwork: no drivers on the install CD |
| 16:11.44 | twobitwork | wols_: ohh... any reason they aren't on there? just because its non-free? |
| 16:11.45 | wols_ | dam85: not a debian wine vresion. and anything from tuxfamily isn't debian either |
| 16:12.01 | valdyn | dam85: that package is made for debian/stable |
| 16:12.07 | dam85 | but has debian testing wine 1.1.1 ? |
| 16:12.07 | wols_ | dam85: we do not support winehq debs |
| 16:12.08 | valdyn | dam85: if its made for debian at all |
| 16:12.17 | wols_ | dam85: you don't run testing. you run sid |
| 16:12.18 | valdyn | dam85: probably not |
| 16:12.28 | valdyn | dam85: why the hell dont you just use the wine that is available? |
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| 16:12.36 | valdyn | dam85: you have verionitis or a real reason? |
| 16:12.44 | valdyn | dam85: i meant "versionitis" |
| 16:12.57 | wols_ | valdyn: he runs sid, why do you ask? |
| 16:12.58 | dam85 | excuse me i don't understand |
| 16:13.13 | valdyn | dam85: why do you not use the wine that is in debian? |
| 16:13.17 | valdyn | wols_: good point |
| 16:13.43 | dam85 | yes i want to use wine in debian....okay so i have to remove the wine repo on my sources.list |
| 16:13.48 | dam85 | adn stop right? |
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| 16:14.11 | valdyn | urgl, language barrier |
| 16:14.42 | wols_ | !it |
| 16:14.42 | dpkg | it has been said that #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 16:14.47 | NET||abuse | hmm, ok i added the gateway to the /etc/network/interfaces file, then /etc/init.d/networking restart but route isn't getting updated. |
| 16:14.54 | dam85 | i have understand, so what are the ufficial repo? |
| 16:15.01 | wols_ | NET||abuse: pastebin the interfaces file |
| 16:15.15 | wols_ | !tell dam85 about mirrors |
| 16:15.17 | valdyn | dam85: wine is in debian, you dont need a special repo for stuff that is in debian |
| 16:15.18 | wols_ | dam85: those are |
| 16:15.32 | wols_ | dam85: and those are the only oneas |
| 16:15.54 | dam85 | aah ok ok |
| 16:15.57 | dam85 | i understand :) |
| 16:16.06 | wols_ | you can add debian-multimedia or backports and that's it |
| 16:16.18 | NET||abuse | http://www.pastebin.org/54881 |
| 16:16.42 | dam85 | okok |
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| 16:17.03 | dam85 | mmmm |
| 16:17.04 | dam85 | one moment |
| 16:17.06 | dam85 | but i have |
| 16:17.10 | valdyn | NET||abuse: why the hell would the route be updated when you restart networking? |
| 16:17.11 | dam85 | # deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt etch main #WineHQ - Debian 4.0 "Etch" <---- |
| 16:17.14 | dam85 | with --> # |
| 16:17.19 | wols_ | NET||abuse: looks alright. your interface is eth1 and not eth0? |
| 16:17.29 | dam85 | so i'm not using another repo for wine |
| 16:17.32 | NET||abuse | valdyn: oh,, restart networking doesn't update routes.. ok |
| 16:17.32 | wols_ | dam85: that commenting out won't effect anything until you apt-get update again |
| 16:17.37 | valdyn | NET||abuse: you dont have "auto eth1" anywhere |
| 16:17.40 | wols_ | dam85: you are |
| 16:17.49 | wols_ | dam85: apt-cache policy proves it |
| 16:18.00 | wols_ | dam85: if you apt-get update again, THEN you don't use another reop |
| 16:18.03 | NET||abuse | wols_: yeh, the install picked up eth1 rather than 0 by default when installing. |
| 16:18.05 | dam85 | mmmm so what can i do? clean the sources.list |
| 16:18.10 | NET||abuse | valdyn: no, only auto lo |
| 16:18.12 | wols_ | valdyn: doh. please shoot me |
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| 16:18.33 | valdyn | NET||abuse: so eth1 is not brought up automatically when you restart networking |
| 16:18.41 | dam85 | but how can i uninstall the packages (not in debian) |
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| 16:19.02 | wols_ | dam85: like any other package |
| 16:19.33 | dam85 | apt-get --purge remove |
| 16:19.34 | dam85 | ? |
| 16:19.36 | dam85 | right? |
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| 16:19.58 | limpio | or dpkg -P |
| 16:20.03 | dam85 | ok |
| 16:20.07 | dam85 | but now |
| 16:20.11 | Pappa | is there any issues related to s/etch/testing/g on sources.list and then dist-upgrade? |
| 16:20.13 | dam85 | i havent wine isntalled on my pc |
| 16:20.21 | NET||abuse | valdyn: The eth port is up, i'm ssh'ing in over it.. networking restart just says "Reconfiguring network interfaes...done" and i have no interuption of ssh service |
| 16:20.24 | valdyn | Pappa: yes, many |
| 16:20.33 | Pappa | like what |
| 16:20.38 | NET||abuse | the only thing not happening is a route is not being added to the table to get out of our network? |
| 16:20.48 | valdyn | NET||abuse: come on |
| 16:20.53 | valdyn | NET||abuse: we already told you this |
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| 16:21.04 | wols_ | !tell Pappa about etch->lenny |
| 16:21.08 | themill | Pappa: you should s/etch/lenny/ in any case. |
| 16:21.08 | wols_ | dam85: we know. |
| 16:21.09 | valdyn | NET||abuse: no auto entry = interface not brought up, gateway not added, nada autmagic |
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| 16:21.34 | wols_ | NET||abuse: your networking restart does NOTHING. that's why ssh won't retart either |
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| 16:22.09 | Pappa | hm I'm screwed then |
| 16:22.15 | dam85 | wols_: excuse me, but if i DON'T have wine installed and i HAVE --> # at the beginning of wine repo, WHY if i do apt-cache policy wine i see http://wine.budgetdedicated.com etch/main Packages |
| 16:22.16 | biz | Hello, is someone aware of http://www.policyd.org/v2/ packages? postfix-policyd* stuff is the 1.* branch |
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| 16:22.28 | valdyn | NET||abuse: run "ifdown eth1; ifup eth1" |
| 16:22.39 | Pappa | i aleady updated & am doing the dist-upgrade right now with testing rather tha n lenny |
| 16:22.40 | wols_ | dam85: cause you didn't run apt-get update when you commented it out. please install etch. you are not capable of running sid as you do |
| 16:22.57 | wols_ | Pappa: just change testing to lenny and it's all good |
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| 16:23.13 | Pappa | even though i just dist-upgraded? |
| 16:23.19 | wols_ | Pappa: yes |
| 16:23.24 | dam85 | wols_: i do apt-get update EVERY DAY |
| 16:23.29 | wols_ | dam85: uncommenting sources.list does NOTHING |
| 16:23.31 | Pappa | I don't have local access to this box so i'm a bit worried about restarting it |
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| 16:24.05 | wols_ | unless you apt-get update. ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 16:24.14 | wols_ | dam85: pastebin the output of ls -l /var/lib/apt/lists/ |
| 16:24.24 | dam85 | ok one moment |
| 16:24.45 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/334274 |
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| 16:25.03 | themill | what a mess |
| 16:25.23 | wols_ | dam85: lines 38-41 |
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| 16:25.37 | valdyn | dam85: contratulations on using experimental too |
| 16:25.41 | valdyn | dam85: congratulations on using experimental too |
| 16:25.56 | NET||abuse | wols_: the server is being set with a static network config, why does auto eth1 need to be there? |
| 16:25.57 | valdyn | <that was sarcasm> |
| 16:26.02 | dam85 | mmm i think i have to remove all /etc/apt files :D |
| 16:26.06 | wols_ | NET||abuse: man interfaces |
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| 16:26.25 | wols_ | dam85: you have to reinstall etch only. and I am not joking |
| 16:26.28 | valdyn | NET||abuse: no one said that it needs to be there |
| 16:26.40 | valdyn | NET||abuse: but it does what it does as you could see in the docs |
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| 16:26.42 | wols_ | only needs to if you want eth1 to come up automatically |
| 16:26.46 | dam85 | wols_: etch has very old package |
| 16:26.48 | dam85 | very very old |
| 16:26.49 | themill | and for inconsistently using sid and unstable in the one file. And for using main and non-free but without contrib. |
| 16:26.54 | dam85 | wine version is too old |
| 16:26.55 | themill | !versionsmite dam85 |
| 16:26.55 | dpkg | upgrades dam85 to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>) |
| 16:26.58 | wols_ | dam85: but STABLE. and you are not suited to run sid |
| 16:27.06 | NET||abuse | valdyn: ok, just trying to figure out what is required for the static config to work reliably |
| 16:27.19 | valdyn | dam85: you are using one of the oldest OS "standards" still in wide use |
| 16:27.20 | themill | dpkg: tell dam85 about upgrade path |
| 16:27.24 | valdyn | dam85: so whats the point of "old" ? |
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| 16:27.54 | themill | dam85: newer wine packages are available from backports.org. Don't run sid for newer wine packages... |
| 16:28.14 | dam85 | valdyn: i can't play with some games |
| 16:28.31 | valdyn | dam85: so? |
| 16:28.48 | dam85 | so i have to isntall a newer version of wine to play without problems |
| 16:28.59 | dam85 | but etch hasn't newer packages |
| 16:29.01 | valdyn | dam85: i wonder whoever told you that you need sid to get newer wine |
| 16:29.27 | themill | dam85: [17:27] <themill> dam85: newer wine packages are available from backports.org. Don't run sid for newer wine packages... |
| 16:29.32 | valdyn | dam85: your oh so new winehq.com packages would work on etch btw |
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| 16:29.40 | dam85 | yes many users has told me to install debian sid |
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| 16:29.57 | valdyn | dam85: this channel gives bad advice too sometimes |
| 16:29.58 | dam85 | okay |
| 16:30.04 | themill | dam85: well then you should ask them to provide you with support... |
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| 16:30.48 | Pappa | how do i restart a service? |
| 16:30.49 | valdyn | dam85: i guess your easiest path to go is still to use sids wine, even if its not the latest, its not old |
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| 16:31.03 | valdyn | Pappa: which service? |
| 16:31.05 | dam85 | ok so one moment....i go step by step..... 1. Uninstall debian sid ...to reinstall debian etch 2. Put backport repo to my sources.list to get the last wine version..... right? |
| 16:31.08 | themill | Pappa: invoke-rc.d name restart |
| 16:31.13 | Pappa | okai |
| 16:31.15 | Pappa | proftpd |
| 16:31.27 | valdyn | dam85: no, i doubt backports.org has the latest wine |
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| 16:31.34 | valdyn | dam85: but its probably not to old |
| 16:31.47 | dam85 | <themill> dam85: [17:27] <themill> dam85: newer wine packages are available from backports.org. Don't run sid for newer wine packages... |
| 16:31.50 | themill | valdyn: 1.0rc1. Not too much changed. |
| 16:32.02 | dam85 | are newer or not? |
| 16:32.06 | themill | notes that he said "newer" not "latest" |
| 16:32.26 | dam85 | mmm but i have to run the last |
| 16:32.29 | dam85 | 1.1.1 version |
| 16:32.34 | Pappa | so if i reboot this server, will it boot back up again? all i did is replace etch with lenny, aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 16:32.45 | Pappa | kept all the old configs where prompted |
| 16:33.07 | themill | dam85: why? can you point to the winehq bugzilla entry that 1.1.1 fixes? |
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| 16:34.18 | dam85 | mmm i have to test a game |
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| 16:34.21 | dam85 | age of empire 3 |
| 16:34.29 | dam85 | not runs with 1 wine version |
| 16:34.36 | dam85 | so i have to test the 1.1.1 version |
| 16:35.20 | dam85 | wine (1.0.0-1~bpo40+1 [amd64], 1.0-rc1-1~bpo40+1 [i386]) [backports] |
| 16:35.22 | themill | dam85: then you might want to check the wine appdb that also tells you that it doesn't work with wine 1.1.1.... |
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| 16:35.57 | themill | (there has to be an equivalent to "6 months in the lab can save you 1 hour in the library" for this situation) |
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| 16:36.23 | rsk | wow what a version name |
| 16:36.24 | rsk | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:36.47 | dam85 | mmm, ok, but now what can i do? ... i think is better to pass to debian etch |
| 16:36.50 | dam85 | sure |
| 16:36.51 | Ryushin | How can I restart udev so it picks up changes in /etc/udev/rules.d without me having to reboot? |
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| 16:37.02 | trinux | dam85: for such games that are designed for Microsoft Windows its best to keep a WinXP in dual boot |
| 16:37.21 | themill | rsk: upstream = 1.0-rc1 ; debian revision 1 ; backport priority 40 ; backport attempt 1. |
| 16:37.21 | Ryushin | I changed the network device ordering and I want to apply it. |
| 16:37.22 | valdyn | Ryushin: "/etc/init.d/udev stop && /etc/init.d/udev start" |
| 16:37.29 | trinux | you can only game or work at a time anyways |
| 16:37.31 | dam85 | i don't want windows on my pc :D |
| 16:37.34 | Ryushin | valdyn: That does not work for me. |
| 16:37.43 | valdyn | Ryushin: reload the nic drivers |
| 16:37.54 | trinux | dam85: thats silly if you want games like AoE3 |
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| 16:38.25 | dam85 | yes but, i install winxp only for ONE game |
| 16:38.28 | dam85 | ? |
| 16:38.56 | trinux | forget about the game then :) |
| 16:39.09 | trinux | find equivalents that are designed for linux |
| 16:39.30 | Ryushin | valdyn: Okay, I'll try that. |
| 16:39.37 | Pappa | yay it worked! :D |
| 16:39.45 | Pappa | i love you debian lenny :o |
| 16:39.52 | dam85 | age of empire 3 work with 0.53 wine version, unbelivable |
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| 16:40.13 | rsk | why is thath |
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| 16:43.07 | twobitwork | does anyone here have an everex laptop running debian? A friend has one and says he can't get the debian ISO's to boot on it... that make of laptop isn't listed on linux-laptop.net |
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| 16:45.46 | drwahl | is there any program that helps probe what keyboard button was pressed. i have a multimedia keyboard (shipped with a Dell Optiplex 748) and I want to try to get the media keys to work |
| 16:47.13 | Eulex | drwahl, xev |
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| 16:49.14 | drwahl | looks like i already have xev installed, does that come as part of the debian base install? |
| 16:49.54 | newsense | comes with x11-utils |
| 16:49.58 | drwahl | ah, good to know |
| 16:50.00 | drwahl | thanks |
| 16:50.02 | stew | drwahl: certainly not, as it is specific to x which isn't part of base |
| 16:50.20 | newsense | if ya chose desktop task during install |
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| 16:51.03 | drwahl | ya, i think i choose desktop during the install on this system (i usually just do a base install) |
| 16:51.16 | mordy_ | where can i find the XDMCP settings? |
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| 16:51.45 | mordy_ | there are some in the login window settings, but i recall seeing something with more advanced options :( but i can't find it |
| 16:51.51 | newsense | hey what package contains the default identd installed by the debian installer? |
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| 16:52.13 | stew | newsense: there isn't a default identd |
| 16:52.27 | newsense | you sure |
| 16:52.47 | newsense | well which is installed by installe ? |
| 16:52.48 | plundra | stew: Are you sure there isn't a built in one in openbsd-inetd? |
| 16:52.50 | stew | newsense: none |
| 16:53.12 | newsense | well what else would listen on 113 |
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| 16:53.16 | stew | plundra: yes |
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| 16:53.43 | stew | newsense: /etc/inetd.conf should tell you, assuming you are using inetd |
| 16:53.47 | newsense | wanted to uninstall it but i guess ill just disable it |
| 16:54.02 | newsense | yeah i just disabl;ed it there |
| 16:54.43 | Fettishpettish | quit |
| 16:54.47 | Fettishpettish | sorry |
| 16:54.48 | stew | newsense: "dpkg -S /path/to/file" would tell you which package it came from |
| 16:54.49 | valdyn | mordy_: no one uses xdmcp anymore, why would you? |
| 16:55.07 | newsense | cool thanks yall |
| 16:55.25 | mordy_ | valdyn - i've tried it - it's better than VNC at least |
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| 17:01.28 | mordy_ | maybe it doesn't exist in lenny :( |
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| 17:09.28 | abrotman | mordy_: if you ahve lenny you could use xrdp |
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| 17:10.29 | pete__ | oh shit. I bet cjg is fucked up now :) |
| 17:11.04 | DawnLight | abrotman: i can't find a single motherboard on the market which i can say for sure that it works in etch |
| 17:11.10 | sladi | Do I have to chroot into my fresh install in order to use grub? Can I chroot using any Livecd? |
| 17:11.15 | DawnLight | it is a guess... |
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| 17:11.39 | abrotman | DawnLight: intel boards are a decently safe bet |
| 17:11.39 | pete__ | http://pastebin.com/m6d4944d0 |
| 17:11.53 | abrotman | DawnLight: but probably if you go with a 945 chipset .. not sure how new you want |
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| 17:12.19 | DawnLight | abrotman: you happen to know what chipsets are etch-friendly?? |
| 17:12.32 | abrotman | not off the top of my head |
| 17:12.45 | DawnLight | is this because intel have open specs? |
| 17:12.49 | abrotman | the 9xx stuff is a bit older .. might just work .. not sure about the stuff newer than that |
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| 17:13.11 | DawnLight | what're those intel integrated graphics everyone's looking for? |
| 17:13.17 | abrotman | DawnLight: but it really depends on the CPU that you are trying to use |
| 17:13.27 | mordy_ | DawnLight, 965 |
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| 17:13.37 | DawnLight | i don't care. i want stable, stable and etch |
| 17:14.16 | sladi | I want to fix grub. I get e17 for linux and error22 when selecting Windows. I have two hdds and wanted sda to contain /boot and a windows partition. hda should have the rest of linux. In the Debian installer I chose not to install grub to mbr but to /dev/sda1, which is the /boot partition. |
| 17:14.21 | DawnLight | mordy_: does this work for etch? |
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| 17:14.44 | mordy_ | DawnLight - i don't know - i'm using the 945 - it only works with etchnahalf |
| 17:14.52 | mordy_ | so i'd have my doubts about the 945 |
| 17:15.13 | DawnLight | did you get confused? |
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| 17:15.44 | abrotman | DawnLight: it's not so much the chipset as the components on it .. it can be a 945 and work perfectly .. or it might not because it has a newer NIC |
| 17:15.49 | mordy_ | abrotman - (sorry, afk for a few minutes) - lenny is running on one of the clients. however the whole thing about rdp now is irrelevant, since it was only when i had windoze running - now all my computers are debian |
| 17:16.00 | abrotman | mordy_: oh ok |
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| 17:16.28 | DawnLight | mordy_: you end up using ltsp? |
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| 17:16.46 | sladi | can I use a livecd to fix grub or do i need the debian installer cd? |
| 17:17.11 | mordy_ | i started reading it - :D |
| 17:17.29 | DawnLight | sladi: a live cd is good |
| 17:17.35 | DawnLight | the installer is also |
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| 17:17.50 | sladi | DawnLight: thanks. Do I need chroot too? :) |
| 17:17.56 | DawnLight | "In May 2007, version 2.0 of the driver (xorg-video-intel) was released, which added support for the 965GM chipset." |
| 17:18.09 | mordy_ | hmm... weird |
| 17:18.11 | DawnLight | so is this in etch or not? |
| 17:18.34 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 17:18.49 | mordy_ | DawnLight - i think the etch version uses the "i810" driver |
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| 17:19.00 | themill | DawnLight: http://packages.debian.org/etch/xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
| 17:19.02 | DawnLight | yes, there's a package |
| 17:19.17 | mordy_ | but the i810 is *not* the same as the "intel" driver |
| 17:19.18 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 17:19.25 | DawnLight | right |
| 17:19.27 | themill | it is in etch |
| 17:19.36 | themill | DawnLight: But there are etchnhalf packages that apparently add support for the i965 video. /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 17:19.39 | newsense | whats the diff between intel and i810 ? |
| 17:19.40 | newsense | € |
| 17:19.57 | DawnLight | "This package provides the driver for the Intel i8xx and i9xx family of chipsets, including i810, i815, i830, i845, i855, i865, i915, and i945 series chips." |
| 17:20.10 | wols_ | newsense: none. just like ati vs radeon |
| 17:20.27 | newsense | so both do the same thing |
| 17:20.30 | themill | DawnLight: last time I looked, the -intel package for etchnhalf was linked to from the wiki and not available from the mirrors yet. |
| 17:21.03 | themill | DawnLight: no, it seems to now be in etch-proposed-updates... |
| 17:21.11 | DawnLight | will etchnahalf be released eventually? |
| 17:21.18 | mordy_ | !etchnhalf |
| 17:21.19 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf , report bugs and problems to their mailing list please. |
| 17:21.24 | themill | hopefully before etch+1... |
| 17:21.38 | DawnLight | right. hope so |
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| 17:21.53 | DawnLight | would really help me |
| 17:22.13 | DawnLight | themill: where is etch-proposed-updates? |
| 17:22.17 | Saj0577 | Hey guys wonder if anyone can help me. Ive just installed debian and I was wondering how i get my wireless to work. ( i use to use ubuntu 8.04 and the wireless worked out the box i dont use windows drivers or anything) |
| 17:22.28 | abrotman | Saj0577: which wifi chipset? |
| 17:22.29 | wols_ | Saj0577: what wlan chip? |
| 17:22.39 | Saj0577 | 2seconds |
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| 17:22.54 | abrotman | wonders what it would take to make a 'wifi-helper' package that might tell a user |
| 17:23.35 | wols_ | abrotman: constant updates for new chips. a BIG lsusb DB with the same problem of new usb sticks only worse |
| 17:23.42 | sladi | should I edit menu.lst manually or will this break later kernel updates? |
| 17:23.48 | themill | DawnLight: isn't it listed on the wiki? deb http://ftp.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ etch-proposed-updates main contrib non-free |
| 17:24.01 | Saj0577 | abrotman wols_ 02:04.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05) |
| 17:24.04 | wols_ | sladi: if you edit it properly it's ok. if not it usually won't break but simply reverts your edits |
| 17:24.10 | abrotman | wols_: uhm .. when lenny is released etc .. have a DB of some sort |
| 17:24.14 | abrotman | !tell Saj0577 about ipw2200 |
| 17:24.34 | abrotman | wols_: even if you don't have the driver installed, it would be able to look at the pci/usb id and tell you |
| 17:24.45 | sladi | wols_: thanks, I'll try that. :) |
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| 17:24.49 | wols_ | abrotman: you can't make it web dependent cause often people who need their wireless don't have network yet |
| 17:25.00 | abrotman | i didn't ask for web dependent |
| 17:25.02 | Saj0577 | abrotman thanks :) |
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| 17:25.33 | abrotman | wols_: however .. a page on the wiki might be useful |
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| 17:26.02 | mordy_ | hehe, ipw's are nice. i still need to get this rtl8187*se* to work :( ndiswrapper i guess |
| 17:26.21 | mordy_ | but you should see the size of that chip. teenie-weenie |
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| 17:29.22 | mordy_ | DawnLight, i actually wonder how many people really have my terminal server requirements. i'm just a really lazy guy :( |
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| 17:30.03 | bolt | how can I get a list of all manually installed packages on a system? |
| 17:30.21 | beardy | !list all packages |
| 17:30.22 | dpkg | To get a complete list of package names (and ONLY package names) for all installed packages on your Debian system, do "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'". Or: "dpkg --get-selections | grep --invert "deinstall" | awk '{print $1}'", or aptitude search ~i -F "%p" |
| 17:30.25 | abrotman | bolt: aptitude search "~M" or "~i" .. read the aptitude manual |
| 17:30.28 | beardy | Define "manually". |
| 17:30.37 | DawnLight | mordy_: what are your requirements?? |
| 17:30.39 | bolt | abrotman: thanks |
| 17:31.02 | Seb | what is "hc" in a dpkg -l list ? |
| 17:31.06 | sladi | I don't understand why the windows partition isn't found. I get error22, no partition found when choosing windows. I put device.map and part of menu.lst on pastebin: http://pastebin.com/m5552e5dc |
| 17:31.25 | mordy_ | DawnLight - my setup is this - i live in a tiny room but sometimes i like to lay down, sometimes i like to go to the kitchen etc - all the "Clients" that exist are really for my use and for my use only |
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| 17:32.10 | simard | what is the difference between linux-patch-debian-2.6.25, linux-source and linux-tree ? |
| 17:32.12 | mordy_ | so my *ideal* solution would be to share one desktop over three computers, but each computer having the session adapted to its needs (resolution, audio, etc.) |
| 17:32.21 | asg | Seb: the lines at the top of 'dpkg -l' indicate what each means. |
| 17:32.21 | simard | which should I actually get to get the latest source |
| 17:32.28 | themill | beardy: manually as opposed to automatically as dependencies. |
| 17:32.33 | abrotman | simard: linux-source |
| 17:32.37 | themill | dpkg: tell bolt about aptitude-fu |
| 17:33.06 | Seb | asg: that'll teach me to grep |
| 17:33.09 | Seb | asg: thanks a lot |
| 17:33.55 | mordy_ | most terminal solutions cater to large groups that actually have different people using the machines, and VNC is simply a rather crappy way to do stuff, and doesn't provide enough utilization of the client itself |
| 17:34.01 | simard | apt-get install linux-source-2.6.25 fails with E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem., but dpkg also fails |
| 17:34.15 | simard | I am running these commands from chroot /mnt/debian bash |
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| 17:35.19 | mordy_ | (of course i'm doing these things to learn, if i just wanted a quick solution, i'd use VNC, although it's crappy, i can live with it) |
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| 17:36.28 | mordy_ | wonders if they've developed pxe over wifi yet |
| 17:36.54 | rnix | hi, how can i determin when a specific package was installed? |
| 17:37.06 | simard | so the problem is dpkg --configure -a is failing because no actual kernel is really running in the chroot environment (/proc/* are non existent) |
| 17:37.37 | cahoot | rnix: you might have /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 17:37.43 | simard | how can I tell dpkg to remove these unpacked packages and stop bugging me with their configuration ? |
| 17:37.57 | cahoot | rnix: or aptitude.log |
| 17:38.17 | rnix | cahoot: thx. i have a compromized box. that sucks a little |
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| 17:40.58 | deus___ | is there any apt-packe for GTK2? can't really figure it out with apt-cache search :s |
| 17:42.34 | rahul | deus___: it will be installed if you install any app that needs it |
| 17:42.43 | deus___ | thanks |
| 17:42.58 | wols_ | deus___: firefox 3? |
| 17:43.06 | rahul | that's the point of package management... just install apps you need and the dependencies will get pulled |
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| 17:43.29 | deus___ | oh, thanks for the hint |
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| 17:44.21 | amine | Hey |
| 17:44.24 | amine | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.24 | amine | Mem: 8108 7820 288 0 10 7655 |
| 17:44.42 | mordy_ | how do i tell if XDMCP is running? |
| 17:44.42 | amine | I've got almost nothing running.. what is using 7.8GB of memory |
| 17:44.59 | wols_ | amine: top knows |
| 17:45.10 | extor | If I wanted to make the kubuntu desktop similar to the gnome-ubuntu desktop in terms of having two taskbars, bottom and top, which behave exactly as in gnome with the top being a launchpad and the bottom being a taskbar...is that easy to do? Anyone done it and are there any web pages that show how to do it? |
| 17:45.22 | mordy_ | 7.8G??? |
| 17:45.28 | wols_ | amine: and "free memory" does not exist |
| 17:45.56 | wols_ | amine: you could have 100 TB and almost nothing would be "free" |
| 17:46.15 | amine | wols_: what is considered 'free', and top shows mysqld at 0.2% and apache2 at 0.1% |
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| 17:46.43 | wols_ | amine: linux NEVER has "free memory". free memory is wasted memory |
| 17:46.54 | asg | !free memory |
| 17:46.55 | dpkg | gives away a free memory with every packet of cornflakes |
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| 17:47.03 | twobitwork | I'm trying to figure out debian's apt repository layout... I got the source package for a .deb from the lenny repo and looking at the control file it says its for unstable... |
| 17:47.09 | wols_ | asg: already checked. that factoid seems to be gone |
| 17:47.10 | Nyle | extor, ? |
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| 17:47.17 | cusco | so |
| 17:47.22 | cusco | what does "free" do? |
| 17:47.24 | wols_ | twobitwork: that's normal. what debian do you run? |
| 17:47.29 | twobitwork | wols_: lenny |
| 17:47.29 | wols_ | cusco: man free |
| 17:47.31 | asg | wols_: yeah. Don't know why people keep deleting useful things. |
| 17:47.33 | Nyle | tells of memory |
| 17:47.39 | cusco | wols_: I did: "free - Display amount of free and used memory in the system" |
| 17:47.43 | deus___ | thx for the help, figured out the rest by myself. :-) |
| 17:47.48 | mordy_ | how can you "tell" it things? |
| 17:48.02 | amine | wols_: ok, so something is allocating 7.8GB and it isn't an application so.. it has to be the kernel? and will it allocate some of this non-free memory to applications when needed? |
| 17:48.08 | twobitwork | wols_: I'm just curious because I am patching this package and am trying to host it on my own repo which I have set up with "testing" as a distro/repo, and reprepro complains that the package is supposed to be put in unstable |
| 17:48.11 | wols_ | amine: what does the 2nd line of your free output say btw? then you will see what the memory is doing |
| 17:48.24 | extor | Nyle, ? |
| 17:48.31 | amine | -/+ buffers/cache: 153 7954 |
| 17:48.35 | amine | ah, so 153 is being used only |
| 17:48.37 | Nyle | go to #kubuntu or #kde |
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| 17:48.44 | Nyle | this is debian |
| 17:48.53 | abrotman | JordiGH: feel better? |
| 17:48.59 | JordiGH | Yeah, thanks. :-) |
| 17:49.02 | abrotman | JordiGH: and yes i am |
| 17:49.38 | twobitwork | !tell extor about ubuntu |
| 17:49.49 | extor | Oh come on...this applies to debian too |
| 17:49.50 | Saj0577 | abrotman you know after i installed the modules for ipw2200 how do i configer it with my wireless wep key etc ( i just have a basic etch install no desktop) |
| 17:49.59 | extor | since I am thinking of installing KDE in debian as well |
| 17:50.03 | abrotman | Saj0577: man wireless |
| 17:50.06 | twobitwork | extor: sorry |
| 17:50.25 | cusco | Saj0577: iwconfig |
| 17:50.40 | wols_ | extor: this channel is for debian supporty only. please go to the appropriate channel of your distro |
| 17:50.43 | twobitwork | extor: its off-topic here... even if they are mostly similar... some small difference could make it impossible for us to know why something isn't working |
| 17:51.07 | JordiGH | I can't find how to do this. How do I make apt prefer the Marillat archives? Or would I even want to do that? I'm getting some conflicting packages from main and Marillat. |
| 17:51.08 | wols_ | extor: we simply won't help and you waste your time |
| 17:51.09 | extor | sighs and joins #KDE to get away from the turf politics |
| 17:51.11 | wols_ | extor: and ours |
| 17:51.17 | Nyle | extor, I can't get a Jumbo Jack from McDonalds, can I? Or a Subway Club from a Burgur King... they are all fast food joints... |
| 17:51.22 | wols_ | extor: #ubuntu only supports ubuntu too btw |
| 17:51.33 | extor | screams |
| 17:51.50 | JordiGH | extor: You might want to try d-user@d.l.o They're quite tolerant of high levels of offtopickness there. |
| 17:51.54 | twobitwork | screams at all the ubuntu kiddies coming in here for help only to find out the problem isn't in debian, but in ubuntu |
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| 17:52.01 | mordy_ | thinks of other definitions for 'monolithic kernel' |
| 17:52.18 | wols_ | mordy_: as opposed to a microkernel |
| 17:52.23 | extor | wonders if mailto:d-user@d.l.o contains some malformed irc code |
| 17:52.26 | twobitwork | extor: you have to understand out frustration when someone joins with a problem and we spend a lot of time trying to help them only to find out that its completely different because they're running ubuntu |
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| 17:52.37 | simard | if I use my kernel from ubuntu for my debian distro, will it work ? |
| 17:52.55 | JordiGH | simard: Maybe, but it might not. |
| 17:52.58 | wols_ | simard: we don't know, don't care and do not support it |
| 17:53.03 | cusco | don't know. try it and see |
| 17:53.04 | extor | twobitwork, yes but currently I am running LENNY and am thinking of reinstalling ETCH with KDE as the default window manager...so it is not quite as off topic as you think |
| 17:53.06 | wols_ | simard: why do you want a ubuntu kernel? |
| 17:53.07 | mordy_ | hehe wols, not really :p - as opposed to other distros not being supported :p |
| 17:53.14 | simard | wols_, I'm asking because the debian kernel wont fucking boot. |
| 17:53.21 | abrotman | which kernel? |
| 17:53.24 | wols_ | mordy_: what do you mean? |
| 17:53.26 | twobitwork | extor: ok, then talk to us about debian stuff... |
| 17:53.45 | wols_ | simard: there are newer debian kernels if your hardware is too new for 2.6.18. what is the exact problem? |
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| 17:54.01 | simard | tried kernel 2.6.18 and 2.6.25 |
| 17:54.02 | amine | Does anyone here force openssh to use public/private keys only (no plain-text passwords allowed)? What if you lose your key.. is there some sort of method you can gain access? |
| 17:54.08 | simard | or was it 2.5.24 |
| 17:54.17 | simard | anyway, problem is: waiting for root filesystem |
| 17:54.27 | simard | it hangs during boot, my partition is xfs |
| 17:54.31 | asg | amine: if you have physical access to the box, you can get access. |
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| 17:54.39 | wols_ | amine: if you lose then, no. game over |
| 17:54.39 | JordiGH | Oh, n/m. I see what the problem is. Marillat actually explains it in the latest d-multimedia.org blog entry. |
| 17:54.40 | asg | amine: another option is to use OPIE as a backdoor |
| 17:54.43 | simard | I thought maybe it doesnt have built-in support for xfs |
| 17:54.50 | amine | asg: it is a dedicated machine. What is OPIE? |
| 17:55.00 | asg | amine: one-time passwords |
| 17:55.00 | simard | or I was told, maybe doesnt have chipset support for my HD controller |
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| 17:55.24 | wols_ | xfs is supported. but until you state your problem we cannot help you simard |
| 17:55.35 | wols_ | "doesn't boot" is not helpful to trubleshoot |
| 17:55.38 | simard | didnt I stated it ? |
| 17:55.43 | wols_ | no |
| 17:55.47 | mordy_ | hehe, as in monolith :p meh, lame joke |
| 17:55.49 | simard | simard> anyway, problem is: waiting for root filesystem |
| 17:55.49 | simard | <simard> it hangs during boot, my partition is xfs |
| 17:55.56 | simard | the kernel hangs |
| 17:55.59 | wols_ | what hdd controller? |
| 17:56.22 | simard | IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) IDE Controller (rev 03) and SATA controller: Intel Corporation 82801HBM/HEM (ICH8M/ICH8M-E) SATA AHCI Controller (rev 03) |
| 17:56.33 | wols_ | tat's supported |
| 17:56.48 | simard | partition is a logical one in my extended partition |
| 17:56.55 | wols_ | xfs_stage1_5 exists? |
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| 17:57.30 | simard | yes |
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| 17:57.39 | simard | grub loads the kernel fine |
| 17:57.41 | wols_ | does the kernel output when booting mention your ?da partitions and your xfs filesystem? |
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| 17:57.56 | wald0 | im unable to "apt-get update" in virtualbox now, when i have do it without problems before, anybody has this problem ? |
| 17:58.05 | wols_ | possibly a missing xfs driver in the initrd |
| 17:58.13 | wols_ | !tell wald0 about errors |
| 17:58.22 | simard | wols_ I dont think so, but I didnt note all messages |
| 17:58.32 | simard | I will reboot and see |
| 17:58.40 | simard | maybe I didnt wait long enough to be dropped in the shell |
| 17:58.43 | newsense | wald0: try with -f |
| 17:58.57 | simard | according to my googling it takes about 2 minutes before it gives up waiting for the root filesystem |
| 17:59.05 | simard | I didnt wait that long |
| 17:59.06 | wald0 | newsense: where ? in the apt-get command ? in teh virtualbox exec ? |
| 17:59.14 | newsense | apt-get update -f |
| 17:59.17 | wald0 | wols_: it has worked without problems before and i dont have changed the configuration at all |
| 17:59.27 | simard | wols_ so the thing is I wanted to rebuild a kernel with xfs support |
| 17:59.28 | simard | but |
| 17:59.30 | wols_ | wald0: answer the question and don't fudge |
| 17:59.54 | wols_ | simard: but? |
| 17:59.57 | simard | typing.. |
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| 18:00.41 | simard | from my working ubuntu I do: chroot /mnt/xfs bash, then apt-get install linux-source-2.6.25, says I need to run dpkg --configure -a, which when I do fails because /proc/* doesnt exist in the chroot environment (obviously becuase de debian kernel is not running) |
| 18:01.13 | wols_ | simard: bind mount proc |
| 18:01.15 | unop | you need to mount /proc into the chroot |
| 18:01.17 | wols_ | before chrooting |
| 18:01.25 | wols_ | and no, the debian kernel has nothing to do with it |
| 18:02.03 | simard | well what I mean is the loaded kernel outputs in /proc, not in the /mnt/xfs/proc |
| 18:02.11 | simard | so I need to bind you say.. ok I'll give a try |
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| 18:05.12 | simard | so how do I mount proc to /mnt/xfs/proc ? ln -s ? |
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| 18:05.25 | wols_ | man mount |
| 18:05.30 | wols_ | I said: bind mount |
| 18:05.42 | simard | yeah ok mount bind.. reading |
| 18:05.49 | simard | because bind doesnt exist :) |
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| 18:06.12 | wols_ | !bind |
| 18:06.13 | dpkg | bind is probably the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 18:06.17 | wols_ | see? |
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| 18:06.31 | wols_ | but yes, we'd all be better of if bind didn't exist I guess |
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| 18:06.43 | simard | which surely doesnt have anything to do with the mount --bind |
| 18:06.49 | simard | unless this command uses DNSs :S |
| 18:07.00 | simard | which at this point I wouldnt be surprised of lol |
| 18:07.24 | JordiGH | Hm, does Iceweasel 3.0 hide HTTP 500's? |
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| 18:08.34 | JordiGH | Or what does "Failed to Connect" really mean? |
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| 18:10.49 | JordiGH | I guess it means the DNS for the site checks, but that it can't connect to the site? |
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| 18:11.12 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:12.23 | simard | wols_ thank you that worked, now I run into a different error, when apt-get install linux-source-2.6.25, ERROR lilo fails for new /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25-2-686: |
| 18:12.38 | simard | I do not use lilo, I use grub, is there a way to tell it not to care about lilo failing ? |
| 18:12.51 | simard | beside --force-yes |
| 18:13.06 | simard | (if that even works) |
| 18:13.50 | twobitwork | simard: I think debian puts comments and stuff in the lilo.conf to find its way around the file and know where to put things... |
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| 18:14.09 | twobitwork | simard: I don't use lilo so, I'm not sure, but if the file has been hand modified it might have problems |
| 18:14.19 | simard | it wasnt |
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| 18:17.53 | pwned | hi, I'm on a non-legacy nvidia card and somehow destroyed my xorg, at first it stopped recognizing DISPLAY, I set it to 127.0.0.1:0.0 to no avail, what should I do to get this thing configured to its vanilla state where at least nv driver works |
| 18:17.59 | mordy_ | can i have multiple sessions on my computer which use different NICs? |
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| 18:18.43 | Eulex | pwned, can you get us your exact error messages, so we don't have to get? |
| 18:19.04 | JordiGH | Aha. "Failed to Connect" means "connection refused". |
| 18:19.14 | pwned | that's totally hard, I'd have to paste .xserver-errors without visual aid |
| 18:19.28 | pwned | it just says :0 display not found |
| 18:19.29 | mordy_ | visual aid? |
| 18:19.30 | pwned | mostly |
| 18:19.37 | JordiGH | Hrm. I wish there were a way for Iceweasel 3.0 to display clearer error messages. Its explanations are actually more confusing than helpful. |
| 18:19.39 | mihkel | I just started to tinker with iptables. So it may be a silly question, but i have an entry in messages file that i don't understand fully |
| 18:19.40 | pwned | it's like cool aid |
| 18:19.48 | mihkel | INPUT DROP IN=eth0 OUT= MAC=ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:00:c0:9f:42:84:1a:08:00 SRC=192.168.1.65 DST=255.255.255.255 LEN=328 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=128 ID=36027 PROTO=UDP SPT=68 DPT=67 LEN=308 |
| 18:20.02 | mihkel | what tha exactly means |
| 18:20.05 | Kobaz | is there a way to bring up an sata drive that was just plugged in (ie: hotswap) |
| 18:20.06 | mihkel | that* |
| 18:20.19 | themill | dpkg: tell pwned about pastewithoutx |
| 18:20.23 | mihkel | src is my windows laptop |
| 18:20.27 | asg | mihkel: it's a dhcp request / response |
| 18:20.31 | extor | Alternate install CD <--- Why is this recommended for low ram systems? What reason? |
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| 18:20.57 | mihkel | asg, but why it is requesting it from me, not from the router? |
| 18:21.56 | newsense | its not |
| 18:22.19 | newsense | broadcast |
| 18:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | mihkel: DST=255.255.255.255 is broadcast |
| 18:22.27 | asg | mihkel: because it was sent to a broadcast address by the looks of it so every machine on your subnet will get a copy |
| 18:22.28 | mihkel | that i know |
| 18:22.47 | newsense | obviously you dont |
| 18:22.56 | mihkel | so i can safely block that |
| 18:23.00 | newsense | yes |
| 18:23.03 | mihkel | IPTABLES -A INPUT -p UDP -i eth0 -d 255.255.255.255 --destination-port 67:68 -j DROP |
| 18:23.09 | newsense | unless your hosting the dhcp server |
| 18:23.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mihkel: it's like saying "oh, but why do they send that advertisment to ME, and not to the person who wants to buy the stuff" |
| 18:23.16 | asg | mihkel: it appears you are already blocking it :) |
| 18:23.16 | mihkel | no i don't |
| 18:23.39 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: iptables has yet to implement spam filtering ... yet |
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| 18:24.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | asg: it was just an example... and you can just block port 80, 443 and 25 and you'll cutting down on spam dramatically :) |
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| 18:24.41 | jdolan | hi, how can i `apt-get install foo` while skipping one of foo's dependencies? |
| 18:24.53 | asg | CutMeOwnThroat: it was just a joke ... and that's cuttin me own throat |
| 18:24.57 | pwned | ok it is in channels.debian.net/paste somewhere , an anonymous post with openbox-message as topic (I think) |
| 18:25.05 | jdolan | (i'm aware that this is generally "bad" -- but it's necessary in this instance) |
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| 18:25.29 | asg | jdolan: download the required packages and deps and 'dpkg -i' them |
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| 18:25.39 | pwned | Eulex: I pasted ^ |
| 18:25.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdolan: look at the --force options (--force-dependencies, I think) - but it may haunt you for everey further apt-get you do if you don't fix it immediately afterwards |
| 18:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdolan: and you cannot do that with apt-get, only with dpkg |
| 18:26.22 | themill | pwned, Eulex: debian.net/paste |
| 18:26.27 | themill | gah |
| 18:26.31 | themill | pwned, Eulex: http://paste.debian.net/12052 |
| 18:26.42 | Eulex | found it |
| 18:26.49 | themill | :) |
| 18:26.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdolan: the whole point of apt-get is to see to it that the dependencies are fulfilled - so what you ask "can't be done" (with apt-get, it can be done with dpkg) |
| 18:26.57 | Eulex | pwned, is X running at all? |
| 18:27.09 | simard | wols_, finally had make menuconfig working, and by default xfs filesystems are not selected |
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| 18:27.14 | jdolan | so sudo apt-get -d install foo will download all of the deps i think, right? |
| 18:27.22 | mordy_ | you've gotta paste the whole log - that can't be the whole loge |
| 18:27.23 | jdolan | and then i can "cherry pick" with dpkg -i? |
| 18:27.26 | pwned | Eulex: xdm starts, then it tries to load .xsession, (exec openbox) but that says the above error in .xsession-error |
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| 18:27.44 | themill | !wayttd jdolan |
| 18:27.45 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, jdolan? |
| 18:27.49 | pwned | so I think yes, x does start somehow |
| 18:27.56 | Eulex | pwned, if you quit X, and simply run Xorg from a tty, what happens? |
| 18:28.14 | Eulex | well, quit/kill X if it is running |
| 18:28.24 | jdolan | themill, Ubuntu bundles nvidia inside linux-restricted-modules, which also provides my wireless and sound drivers (uber-lame). |
| 18:28.48 | jdolan | themill, so i'd like to install linux-restricted-modules *without* nvidia, because their nvidia is old and broken for some apps. |
| 18:29.06 | cjg | hmm |
| 18:29.06 | Eulex | jdolan, on debian? |
| 18:29.11 | cjg | stupid wifi |
| 18:29.15 | jdolan | no, on Ubuntu -- their help channel is useless. |
| 18:29.23 | trinux | haha |
| 18:29.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
| 18:29.31 | Eulex | jdolan, sorry, that's not a reason for asking in #debian |
| 18:29.33 | pwned | Eulex: it runs with no errors |
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| 18:29.45 | jdolan | Eulex, it doesn't matter -- i asked a question about apt-get/dpkg. |
| 18:29.47 | Eulex | pwned, and you get a black and white moire pattern? |
| 18:29.51 | trinux | and i heard people say they use ubuntu because of the community |
| 18:29.55 | Eulex | jdolan, they patch their. |
| 18:29.58 | trinux | thats funny |
| 18:29.59 | jdolan | the packages in question are of no consequence. |
| 18:30.00 | avu | jdolan, it does matter. |
| 18:30.04 | pwned | Eulex: I don't know, it is the default gray background |
| 18:30.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdolan: it does matter, if you read the channel rules... |
| 18:30.17 | pwned | and an X cursor |
| 18:30.20 | themill | jdolan: you haven't looked at how different dpkg and apt-get are under ubuntu there. If you don't like #ubuntu, don't use ubuntu. |
| 18:30.41 | jdolan | right, let me reinstall my OS right now to fix this one issue. |
| 18:30.43 | jdolan | *sigh* |
| 18:30.56 | pwned | Eulex: the problem is running any program from Xorg results in an error saying display not found or :0 not found |
| 18:31.03 | jdolan | why can't people just try to help each other once in a while instead of telling everyone else they're wrong or trying to convert them? |
| 18:31.05 | Igneous | Dumb question, is there any way of getting a usb pendrive to be bootable via a cd? I know there's boot floppy methods, but both computers I'm trying to attempt this with lack floppy drives. |
| 18:31.06 | themill | dpkg: tell jdolan about they don't know |
| 18:31.11 | Eulex | pwned, ok. then try the following from a tty, as the same user as you started X as: DISPLAY=:0 xterm |
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| 18:31.28 | themill | jdolan: we don't know what ubuntu has done to dpkg. We can't help you. |
| 18:31.52 | asg | Igneous: I expect so; there's no difference between a bootable cd and a bootable floppy in this case. |
| 18:32.11 | jdolan | nice. thanks. |
| 18:32.12 | trinux | jdolan: install debian and most people here will be happy to help you :) |
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| 18:32.39 | deus___ | x restart, bbl |
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| 18:32.59 | pwned | Eulex: that starts xterm in there |
| 18:33.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jdolan: nobody wants to convert you, but nobody wants to give advice running into a lot of problems because it's not the distro you know - and you cannot force people to give advice. If I ran ubuntu and would feel confident about it, I would answer you in #ubuntu, but not here |
| 18:33.43 | Eulex | pwned, so X seems to be working very well. I'd assume that openbox or xdm is at fault. can you perhaps start openbox the same way, if you ctrl-c the xterm and do DISPLAY=:0 openbox? |
| 18:34.50 | pwned | Eulex: it starts fine (as root) |
| 18:34.56 | pwned | Xorg was also ran as root |
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| 18:35.22 | Vernen | what's the way to redirect output both to stdout and a file? |
| 18:35.23 | Eulex | pwned, then quit X immediately and try the same steps as a user. |
| 18:35.29 | Eulex | Vernen, tee |
| 18:35.34 | pwned | Eulex: I can't start Xorg as user |
| 18:36.03 | pwned | I always first started sudo xdm, then it loaded everything from .xsession as user |
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| 18:36.51 | Eulex | pwned, what happens when you attempt to start it as a user? might be that you need to use startx or similar for that. |
| 18:37.10 | Vernen | thanks!! |
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| 18:37.30 | pwned | Eulex: oh, startx works and loads openbox from .xsession |
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| 18:37.49 | MuffinFlavored | How can I tell how many packages I have installed? |
| 18:37.49 | pwned | I think I have the DISPLAY working somehow now, magically. |
| 18:37.57 | trinux | without parameters? |
| 18:37.58 | Eulex | pwned, which suggests that xdm is broken. |
| 18:38.09 | pwned | I'll try again with xdm |
| 18:38.14 | mordy_ | can i have multiple sessions on my computer which use different NICs? |
| 18:38.25 | asg | define session |
| 18:38.32 | mordy_ | logins |
| 18:38.33 | pwned | yes it is broken. |
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| 18:39.06 | Vernen | how could I get info on a process from top command by process' name? |
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| 18:39.11 | Eulex | MuffinFlavored, dpkg -l gives a list of all packages. you could pipe it to wc -l and subtract by the number of lines it has as a heading. |
| 18:39.12 | pwned | themill, Eulex thank you, by the way |
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| 18:39.34 | Eulex | yw |
| 18:39.38 | asg | mordy_: maybe with iptables mangling and the owner module |
| 18:39.45 | mordy_ | hehe, now i have three 'sessions' but onyl one 'session' on each computer, the other are client sessions |
| 18:39.48 | mordy_ | oh :( |
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| 18:40.15 | asg | mordy_: probably better to use some form of virtualization though |
| 18:40.22 | JordiGH | Eulex: But dpkg -l doesn't necessarily only list installed packages. |
| 18:40.29 | DawnLight | virtualization? |
| 18:40.40 | wols_ | Shisui: config-2.6.18-4-k7:CONFIG_XFS_FS=m |
| 18:40.44 | wols_ | simard: config-2.6.18-4-k7:CONFIG_XFS_FS=m |
| 18:40.48 | Eulex | JordiGH, ah, right, sorry MuffinFlavored, you should grep for ^ii too |
| 18:40.54 | JordiGH | dpkg -l | grep "^ii" | wc -l |
| 18:40.55 | dpkg | ii | grep "^ii" | wc -l 3.9-11 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:40.56 | pwned | gets this thing into screen |
| 18:40.56 | wols_ | simard: that's the default debian etch installer kernel |
| 18:41.05 | JordiGH | Not, you, silly bot. |
| 18:41.16 | mordy_ | asg - i basically want to try and test/install my wlan without messing around with my wired connection. |
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| 18:42.01 | mordy_ | virtualization? hal? |
| 18:42.01 | MuffinFlavored | Eulex: thank you. Not counting the header lines, Debian from net-install and unstable respos, has 150 packages installed before I touch anything. |
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| 18:42.01 | [Jasper] | hello people |
| 18:42.10 | [Jasper] | can I prevent users getting a homedir when I do a adduser? |
| 18:42.15 | JordiGH | It seems I have 2603 packages intalled. |
| 18:42.28 | JordiGH | [Jasper]: Yeah, it's in the config files somewhere... adduser.conf or something. let me grep. |
| 18:42.49 | Vernen | s there a way to append text to stdout ? |
| 18:42.59 | JordiGH | Vernen: cat? |
| 18:43.00 | asg | [Jasper]: --no-create-home |
| 18:43.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | [Jasper]: there's also useradd and adduser and... whatever, not all of them create the userdir |
| 18:43.12 | asg | [Jasper]: try the manpage next time |
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| 18:43.48 | [Jasper] | so I can basically remove a homedir |
| 18:44.00 | [Jasper] | without it preventing the user from being able to log in next time |
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| 18:44.30 | Eulex | [Jasper], man adduser. --no-create-home. |
| 18:44.32 | JordiGH | Users without home directories can still log in, but they probably will have some prolems. |
| 18:44.59 | simard | wols_, yes, actually I have downloaded lenny, which has 2.6.25 |
| 18:45.03 | mihkel | I'm bodering you more. I just want to clear out another iptables log entry |
| 18:45.06 | simard | or 2.6.24 |
| 18:45.08 | Vernen | JordiGH: how do I use cat for that? |
| 18:45.13 | mihkel | INPUT DROP IN=eth0 OUT= MAC= SRC=192.168.1.64 DST=192.168.1.255 LEN=78 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=64 ID=0 DF PROTO=UDP SPT=46101 DPT=137 LEN=58 |
| 18:45.32 | mihkel | this is my debian box tring to access my windows box |
| 18:45.46 | mihkel | is it safe to block it |
| 18:45.55 | asg | mihkel: welcome to crappy MS protocols. Again, DST is another broadcast address. |
| 18:46.09 | Vernen | JordiGH: I want to put stdinput+some text to stdout |
| 18:46.11 | asg | mihkel: my suggestion is block everything and only let in what you need to make the box functional. |
| 18:46.13 | mihkel | so its safe |
| 18:46.36 | mihkel | asg, thats what i'm tring to do :) |
| 18:46.44 | JordiGH | Vernen: cat - textfile |
| 18:46.47 | JordiGH | tries that. |
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| 18:47.26 | asg | mihkel: just make sure your apps and daemons work as expected; everything else can be blocked. I'd also consult #iptables for more info. |
| 18:47.43 | mihkel | asg, ok thanks |
| 18:48.32 | jescis | Hello, Is there a way to get DirecrFB to work? /dev/fb and /dev/fb0 are not there :/ |
| 18:48.33 | JordiGH | Vernen: Although "cat - textfile" does what you asked, it doesn't seem like something useful. |
| 18:49.37 | Vernen | JordiGH: why? |
| 18:49.37 | JordiGH | Fun fact: "cat - > text" is a good text editor. :-) |
| 18:49.42 | asg | JordiGH: or better, 'tee /path/to/file <foo' |
| 18:49.56 | asg | JordiGH: oops, nevermind |
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| 18:50.05 | JordiGH | asg: Mine has readline support! ... I think. |
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| 18:50.14 | JordiGH | Oh, no it doesn't. |
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| 18:51.14 | mordy_ | meh, i just use nano |
| 18:51.14 | JordiGH | mordy_: Bloated. Real programmers use cat. |
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| 18:51.14 | asg | !be ed |
| 18:51.15 | dpkg | ? |
| 18:51.15 | Kobaz | cat is so overkill |
| 18:51.15 | shefqeti | real programmers use punch-cards |
| 18:51.20 | Kobaz | i use dd for my editing |
| 18:51.22 | Eulex | mordy_, you can >> |
| 18:51.28 | jescis | ed, ex, vi(m) are all good |
| 18:51.29 | Eulex | to append |
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| 18:51.51 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 18:51.52 | Eulex | or who was it that asked? oh, Vernen did |
| 18:51.57 | maor | when installing nvidia drivers, im getting error on the build(in the mod-assist) and when i try to view the log, its empty. any clue why? (using m-a auto-install) |
| 18:51.57 | Kobaz | or you could be sane and just use emacs |
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| 18:52.22 | Eulex | Kobaz, using emacs is sane? ;) |
| 18:52.42 | shefqeti | vi and nano do all the tricks I need |
| 18:52.46 | asg | Eulex: in soviet russia^W^Wreality, emacs uses you |
| 18:53.00 | Eulex | ^^ |
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| 18:53.09 | Kobaz | Eulex: oh yes |
| 18:53.21 | Kobaz | escape meta alt control shift |
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| 18:53.30 | Kobaz | one key sequence to rule them all |
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| 18:53.51 | Eulex | Kobaz, oh, where do I get the 'one-additional-hand' surgery? |
| 18:54.32 | kenjy | hi guys, Im ussing apt-cacher but I get this error when I do apt-get update, http://rafb.net/p/RlisgI82.html can you help me? the error.log just say Mon Jul 21 13:41:39 2008|192.168.7.67|--- /usr/sbin/apt-cacher: Usage error |
| 18:54.34 | shefqeti | xen-kernel-panic: Oppps! WindowStart key pressed. Rebooting... |
| 18:55.06 | JordiGH | kenjy: has the apt-cacher server apt-get updated recently? |
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| 18:55.19 | JordiGH | hopes his previous sentence is parseable. |
| 18:55.32 | iron | hi |
| 18:55.34 | iron | http://pastebin.com/d2964fa58 |
| 18:55.37 | kenjy | JordiGH: it was not, after the error I did the update in the server but it drop the same error |
| 18:55.44 | iron | anybody can help ? |
| 18:55.47 | JordiGH | kenjy: And the server doesn't complain? |
| 18:55.47 | Kobaz | Eulex: i think walmart does those |
| 18:55.54 | Eulex | Kobaz, oh snap! :) |
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| 18:56.18 | kenjy | JordiGH: thats the output of the server |
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| 18:57.15 | JordiGH | Eulex: Emacs doesn't need more hands. You need better touch-typing. ;-) |
| 18:57.48 | shefqeti | can't wait for the upcoming mind-machine API |
| 18:57.52 | Eulex | hehe :) |
| 18:57.52 | iron | whats the reason for http://pastebin.com/d2964fa58 ? |
| 18:58.14 | kenjy | JordiGH: If I do this without the apt-cacher shows the same, I don't know why its doing this :S |
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| 18:58.22 | JordiGH | shefqeti: I'm afraid I won't be able to "chmod 400 /dev/mind" |
| 18:58.32 | shefqeti | iron: it seems like the nm-applet of gnome can't get the handle to the network maybe. But that's as far as I can go |
| 18:58.36 | MuffinFlavored | Is there a package such as "gnome-minimal", where it just installs the GNOME enviornment without things such as e-mail client, web browser, office applications, games, etc. |
| 18:58.48 | shefqeti | JordiGH: You're not Neo though. |
| 18:58.49 | shefqeti | :D |
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| 18:59.21 | JordiGH | kenjy: I'm confused. Grepped the BTS yet? |
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| 18:59.45 | kenjy | JordiGH: what is BTS? |
| 18:59.46 | JordiGH | !tell MuffinFlavored about gnome |
| 18:59.52 | JordiGH | kenjy: Bug-tracking system. |
| 19:00.16 | MuffinFlavored | !tell MuffinFlavored about gnome-install |
| 19:00.30 | MuffinFlavored | !tell MuffinFlavored about gnome-staging |
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| 19:00.37 | MuffinFlavored | Wow. that is misleading. |
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| 19:00.45 | pngwn | !tell MuffinFlavored -about selftell |
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| 19:01.02 | Kobaz | heh |
| 19:01.07 | JordiGH | Anyways, short anser, "aptitude install gnome-core" |
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| 19:01.33 | xexe | hi all! where is I can downlaod cool amarok skin? |
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| 19:01.54 | streuner | ever used google? |
| 19:01.58 | kenjy | JordiGH: the server http://debian.mirror.rafal.ca/ is not working correctly :S I think |
| 19:02.25 | JordiGH | kenjy: That's entirely possible. But you said the server doesn't complain about md5sum mismatch? |
| 19:02.33 | JordiGH | kenjy: Your apt-cacher server, that is. |
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| 19:03.10 | kenjy | JordiGH: look please http://rafb.net/p/jKxcUS59.html |
| 19:03.20 | kenjy | JordiGH: that don't use apt-cacher |
| 19:03.25 | trinux | what is this, people always say Google? |
| 19:03.28 | MuffinFlavored | pngwn and JordiGH: Thank you very much! |
| 19:03.35 | trinux | can i have the Google too? |
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| 19:04.21 | JordiGH | is almost sure that the "i can haz google" snowclone has been used. |
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| 19:05.08 | trinux | :D |
| 19:05.28 | JordiGH | kenjy: 2584898d92c4af9e61fd4d5df0130843 Packages.bz2 |
| 19:05.30 | JordiGH | What do you get? |
| 19:05.46 | kenjy | JordiGH: what do I get? |
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| 19:05.48 | JordiGH | hopes security.debian.org isn't compromised... |
| 19:05.55 | JordiGH | kenjy: What md5sum do you get? |
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| 19:06.48 | kenjy | JordiGH: where can I check that? |
| 19:07.03 | JordiGH | They're in... wait... /var/cache/somewhere... |
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| 19:07.24 | Heavy-D | hey guys, I have a quick question. I had apache2, mysql-server and the mysql-client installed but I removed them. However now every time I update packages those packages are updated and they're still running. How can I make them not start on boot? |
| 19:07.35 | Heavy-D | There is an rc command, but I can't remember how to use it or what it is |
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| 19:08.52 | JordiGH | kenjy: /var/lib/apt/lists/$THE-REPO |
| 19:09.07 | shefqeti | Heavy-D: a quick way to stop the start scripts from running is to rename them at /etc/init.d/daemonname as /etc/init.d/daemonname.disabled |
| 19:09.36 | JordiGH | kenjy: What md5sum does your server have there for the Pacakges.bz2 file from security.debian.org for etch? |
| 19:10.09 | Heavy-D | shefqeti: what about the update-rc.d command.. does that do anything? |
| 19:10.43 | Heavy-D | relating to my issue i mean |
| 19:10.47 | superb0b | does any one know how to optimize debian bridge ? |
| 19:10.48 | newsense | or /etc/inetd.conf if ya use it |
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| 19:11.48 | shefqeti | Heavy-D: that does the creation, remove and differentiation between runlevels. If you wish to have a service at certai runlevels and at certain others not. renaming the sripts on the other hand, makes it unavailable to any level, so it's as good as removing the script altogether |
| 19:11.53 | xsdg | Heavy-D: are you sure you removed them? |
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| 19:12.16 | xsdg | Heavy-D: because if they're still running, that means the binaries are still there |
| 19:12.43 | kenjy | JordiGH: I have this options: security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_Release security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_binary-i386_Packages |
| 19:12.43 | kenjy | security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_Release.gpg security.debian.org_dists_etch_updates_contrib_source_Sources |
| 19:12.50 | IsuckatFoos | stew: what up :-) |
| 19:12.54 | xsdg | Heavy-D: regardless, /etc/init.d/apache2 is provided by the apache2.2-common package, which you probably need to remove also |
| 19:13.02 | shefqeti | Heavy-D: to be honest I use update-rc.d rarely... |
| 19:13.11 | Heavy-D | xsdg: apt-get says they're removed when I try to remove them... but I think I might have accomplished with what you guys have mentioned |
| 19:13.24 | xsdg | Heavy-D: you should not need to call update-rc.d directly |
| 19:13.30 | xsdg | Heavy-D: if you do, it means you did something wrong |
| 19:13.40 | stew | IsuckatFoos: you suck at foos :) |
| 19:13.48 | xsdg | Heavy-D: continuing, I would guess that mysql-common provides the init.d script for mysql |
| 19:13.51 | kenjy | JordiGH: witch file? |
| 19:14.02 | JordiGH | kenjy: Yeah, so look s.d.o_dists_etch_updates_Release |
| 19:14.13 | Heavy-D | xsdg: mysql-server-common ? or mysql-common |
| 19:14.15 | IsuckatFoos | Man it sure seems that way |
| 19:14.20 | xsdg | Heavy-D: maybe -server-common |
| 19:14.39 | xsdg | Heavy-D: the query you're looking for is `dpkg -S /etc/init.d/mysql` (or whatever the script is called in there |
| 19:14.53 | Heavy-D | xsgd: mysql-common worked and removed all MySQL related stuff |
| 19:14.58 | Heavy-D | THanks ^.^ |
| 19:15.00 | xsdg | Heavy-D: that's asking dpkg "what package provides the file /etc/init.d/mysql?" |
| 19:15.05 | xsdg | np |
| 19:15.28 | Heavy-D | So I know for future reference, how do I ask dpkg about that? |
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| 19:15.44 | kenjy | JordiGH: I have this in that fiile :S sorry hehe Im not understanding a lot http://rafb.net/p/me0Zye71.html |
| 19:15.56 | xsdg | Heavy-D: look up: `dpkg -S /path/to/some/file` |
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| 19:15.56 | JordiGH | kenjy: Do you know what an md5sum is? |
| 19:15.57 | shefqeti | Heavy-D: dpkg -s /path/of/file/you/want/to/find/package/for |
| 19:15.59 | shefqeti | lol |
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| 19:16.06 | kenjy | JordiGH: Yes |
| 19:16.26 | shefqeti | Heavy-D: dpkg -S /path/of/file/you/want/to/find/package/for |
| 19:16.32 | xsdg | anyway, I've gotta run |
| 19:16.34 | shefqeti | (capital -S option) |
| 19:16.36 | Heavy-D | thanks gusy! |
| 19:16.37 | Heavy-D | *guys |
| 19:16.40 | kenjy | JordiGH: the error is this: http://rafb.net/p/jKxcUS59.html |
| 19:17.00 | JordiGH | kenjy: Okay, no do "wget http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2" and manually check its md5sum. |
| 19:17.04 | JordiGH | now do |
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| 19:17.29 | JordiGH | I can verify the md5sum that pasted. So why would dpkg complain? |
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| 19:18.02 | kenjy | JordiGH: c48334c9a295c0282f359a1352562c0f Packages.bz2 |
| 19:18.18 | JordiGH | kenjy: wtf |
| 19:18.23 | JordiGH | Yeah, the md5sum isn't matching. |
| 19:18.28 | kenjy | JordiGH: how can I fix this? |
| 19:18.32 | JordiGH | Is your network working? What's the file size? |
| 19:18.53 | JordiGH | 273281 bytes? |
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| 19:18.56 | kenjy | JordiGH: 272KPackages.bz2 |
| 19:19.08 | kenjy | JordiGH: 64 bytes from py-in-f99.google.com (64.233.167.99): icmp_seq=1 ttl=244 time=85.1 ms |
| 19:19.11 | JordiGH | Exact number of bytes? |
| 19:19.17 | kenjy | JordiGH: my network its working |
| 19:19.21 | maor | how to set ircII running on background? |
| 19:19.48 | JordiGH | maor: Are you asking for something like GNU screen? Or something like "maor@homebox$ irc &" |
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| 19:20.32 | kenjy | JordiGH: If I remove the var/lib/apt/lists/ what happen? |
| 19:20.44 | shefqeti | if I'd want to have a router for an area of buildings and infrastructure of networks that till now use static routes and connect to cisco routers which do bgp. If I added a debian machine for ibgp with the cico-s and then this replace all the static routes. Is zebra stable enough and can a multi-nic box handle the job ? |
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| 19:20.56 | greeg | iceweasle keeps crashing >:P |
| 19:21.20 | maor | no, i mean when im already in ircII |
| 19:21.27 | JordiGH | kenjy: They just get downloaded again. But you seem to have a bigger problem, since the md5sums really aren't matching. Do you have the right number of bytes? |
| 19:21.54 | yargoflick | greeg: is it a flash thing, I've been having flash page problems myself |
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| 19:22.14 | kenjy | JordiGH: the right number of bytes? yes: du Packages.bz2 |
| 19:22.14 | kenjy | 272Packages.bz2 |
| 19:22.23 | greeg | yargoflick: not always. |
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| 19:22.38 | greeg | but now that i think of it, i uslually have youtube up when it crashes. |
| 19:22.44 | JordiGH | No, it should be 273281 bytes. "ls -l Packages.bz2" |
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| 19:22.56 | DexterF | godDAM it |
| 19:23.02 | JordiGH | kenjy: ^^ |
| 19:23.03 | kenjy | JordiGH: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 273281 Jul 16 14:17 Packages.bz2 |
| 19:23.05 | DexterF | burnt a lenny beta2 netinst iso |
| 19:23.13 | Overheat | someone who speaks sapnish? |
| 19:23.19 | maor | anyway, i have problem setting up my new nvidia driver... after downloading all the packages and installing successfully, it says that he cant find the module... how? if i installed the neccessery packages...? |
| 19:23.20 | kenjy | Overheat: I |
| 19:23.25 | JordiGH | kenjy: BIZARRE. |
| 19:23.27 | JordiGH | Overheat: I do too. |
| 19:23.43 | Overheat | thanks |
| 19:23.50 | kenjy | JordiGH: entonces auxilio porfavor :( que onda con mi repositorio? :S |
| 19:23.58 | DexterF | wont boot. supected the drive. switched. tried 3. all the same. spins up, then my usual grub. pull the disks, bios goes "boot failure insert disc". tried same disc on another puter - boots the installer. wtF? |
| 19:24.18 | JordiGH | kenjy: English in the channel, espanich in private. ;-) |
| 19:25.03 | kenjy | JordiGH: sended a query |
| 19:25.04 | DexterF | disc is readable alright, at least the readmes in its root dir. outta ideas. |
| 19:26.08 | DexterF | there any other approach than by disc? I got a usb card reader which I could plug a 512mb card in |
| 19:26.45 | shefqeti | DexterF: you mean like you had empty partition and after install won't boot proper ? |
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| 19:27.07 | DexterF | shefqeti: no I mean the bloody netinst cd wont boot the installer at all |
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| 19:27.41 | shefqeti | DexterF: how easy can you try with a normal cd and then update as soon as base system is in ? |
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| 19:28.13 | shefqeti | DexterF: i've had such things once with the netinst. it installed fine with the normal cd |
| 19:28.38 | DexterF | shefqeti: that's what I wanted to avoid, upgradeing is horribly broken. I tried that in a VM with a largely unused system and no funny debs, aptitude broke down with dependenciy issues |
| 19:29.03 | DexterF | shefqeti: well, doesnt the "normal" cd require that I have all the other CDs , too? |
| 19:29.10 | maor | how can i disable "computer/terminal 'beeps'" on console? |
| 19:29.18 | shefqeti | DexterF: no you can use only cd1 |
| 19:29.29 | DexterF | shefqeti: seriously...? |
| 19:29.46 | stew | DexterF: upgrading from which release to which is broken? |
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| 19:30.13 | DexterF | stew: etch r3 to lenny. tried on said VM, tried on a real system, both failed |
| 19:30.18 | shefqeti | DexterF: ya. the idea is that if you want cd 3 you have to have cd 2. it has to be inclusive. but you can do with one good for installations |
| 19:30.27 | stew | DexterF: failed how exactly? |
| 19:30.40 | stew | DexterF: an upgrade is more likely to work than a fresh install of lenny |
| 19:30.52 | xsdg | maor: on console, my guess is that you'd have to do something with stty |
| 19:31.02 | xsdg | maor: I know in X, you just do `xset -b` |
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| 19:31.09 | maor | Help please, im now in non-x linux.. how can i disable "computer/terminal 'beeps'" on console? |
| 19:31.13 | simonrvn | estie ty |
| 19:31.14 | shefqeti | DexterF: yea. I'd try getting the lenny cd 1 and then edit the sources.list and do an upgrade |
| 19:31.22 | maor | thanks xsdg!!! |
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| 19:31.28 | shefqeti | DexterF: as soon as systinstall finishes |
| 19:31.31 | stew | maor: /msg dpkg bell |
| 19:32.08 | DexterF | stew: well, I changed the sources.list, ran aptitude update then dist-upgrade. it pulled all the packages then complained about perl and died screaming with tons of "couldnt do this and that" messages and how it cant configure this package and that and the other. I ran dist-upgrade and dpkg --reconfigure -a --force-all a couple of times, after an hour I called it a day |
| 19:32.37 | gkiagia | is there any linux 2.6.26 image for sid yet? |
| 19:32.37 | kenjy | JordiGH: sended with gmail |
| 19:32.44 | stew | DexterF: you should not use --force-anything |
| 19:32.48 | JordiGH | Got it. |
| 19:32.50 | maor | non works :( any suggestions? |
| 19:33.02 | DexterF | stew: was my last resort, without it nothing happened at all |
| 19:33.08 | DexterF | too many errors |
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| 19:33.24 | stew | DexterF: i can't really help you without the actual error messages. but it doesn't seem like you're looking for help anyway |
| 19:33.38 | stew | maor: setterm didn't work? |
| 19:33.39 | pete__ | peppe.. lol. Everyone call me peppe at rowk |
| 19:33.40 | shefqeti | DexterF: it can be a netinst installer issue that is not in the normal disc |
| 19:33.41 | pete__ | work |
| 19:33.51 | DexterF | stew: well, I wnated to get rid of some old cruft and install lenny from scratch, hence... |
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| 19:34.04 | DexterF | shefqeti: ill give it a shot |
| 19:34.20 | DexterF | (that drive I replaced for testing was my writer, of course :P ) |
| 19:34.32 | maor | stew: what are the arguments? |
| 19:34.36 | stew | maor: /msg dpkg bell |
| 19:34.57 | maor | thanks let me see |
| 19:35.31 | DexterF | wait, what's debian-testing-i386-kde-CD-1.iso ? based on netinst or cd1? |
| 19:35.33 | shefqeti | DexterF: or wait a few days and try the latest netinst. pet your drive, mine is still dead :/ |
| 19:36.16 | shefqeti | DexterF: on cd1. but the desktop installs are from gnome to kde |
| 19:36.18 | cloakable | DexterF: based on cd1 |
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| 19:37.08 | shefqeti | i'm out. be well all |
| 19:37.19 | maor | stew: setterm -msg off or setterm /msg dpkg bell are not working... or im just type it wrong.. |
| 19:37.27 | stew | dpkg: tell maor about bell |
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| 19:37.43 | stew | maor: that was meant as a command to type into irc to get the bot to give you information |
| 19:37.45 | maor | oh lol |
| 19:37.50 | maor | thanks :) |
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| 19:38.17 | pwned | dpkg: tell pwned about dpkg |
| 19:38.30 | stew | dpkg: tell pwned about selftell |
| 19:38.59 | maor | cool features heh :] |
| 19:39.13 | pwned | my intention was to spam, obviously. |
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| 19:42.38 | twobitwork | so... in a repository which has the (appearantly) normal behavior of importing packages to unstable first, how do you move something into testing? |
| 19:42.48 | twobitwork | I'm using reprepro |
| 19:43.29 | twobitwork | I tried to use "reprepro copy sid lenny <pkgname>" but it didn't add it to the Packages list for my lenny branch |
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| 19:44.40 | omry | what program you guys recommend to test a new hard drive? |
| 19:45.04 | twobitwork | I think ubcd has some good tools for that |
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| 19:45.30 | abrotman | omry: test it for what? |
| 19:45.32 | stew | omry: what are you looking to test? speed? errors? badblocks? |
| 19:45.47 | abrotman | to see if it's a hard drive! |
| 19:45.58 | omry | abrotman, stew : bad sectors. it's a new drive and I want to see it's not borked. |
| 19:45.58 | twobitwork | it's really a banana |
| 19:46.06 | stew | omry: badblocks |
| 19:46.08 | abrotman | omry |
| 19:46.11 | mordy | ROTFL |
| 19:46.24 | omry | stew, thanks. |
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| 19:47.13 | enry | what's the size of a debian base-install? no X |
| 19:47.20 | enry | 600mb? |
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| 19:48.15 | streuner_ | woody or sarge was with X under 350 MB, don't know about etch |
| 19:48.25 | stew | enry: ~400-450, i think |
| 19:48.36 | enry | how the... with X under 350MB ?? |
| 19:48.43 | cjg | easy |
| 19:49.04 | stew | not easy with etch, that is for sure |
| 19:49.06 | abrotman | X3 was smaller :) |
| 19:49.10 | streuner_ | you need a kernel, some basic packages (perl) and that's Debian ;-) |
| 19:49.31 | raininja | how do you edit runlevel daemons? |
| 19:49.43 | Eulex | a complete system with a gui, window manager and all the apps you need can be gotten in ~800mb |
| 19:49.47 | streuner_ | raininja: /msg dpkg runlevel |
| 19:49.49 | stew | raininja: update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 19:49.54 | cjg | raininja: /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:49.57 | xingu | ob.history: xd.c was originally written to allow xfree86 to be compiled on a 40MB MFM PC-AT hard-card |
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| 19:51.53 | xsdg | abrotman: yo; what's up? |
| 19:51.59 | kenjy | can some one help me? I have a big problem with apt, whe I run apt-get update I get this http://rafb.net/p/5aw1hw16.html |
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| 19:52.06 | mordy | how do i switch to a client session on a terminal? |
| 19:52.15 | Eulex | xingu, xd.c? |
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| 19:52.36 | nkuttler | mordy: hm? |
| 19:52.39 | xingu | Eulex: ...src/linux/drivers/block/xd.[ch] in all its glory. |
| 19:53.03 | Eulex | oh |
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| 19:53.17 | xingu | from memory I think it was either the second or third storage controller linux supported |
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| 19:53.30 | mordy | nkuttler - a client is running a session on my terminal. i want to use that same session (although this may cause booting the client) |
| 19:53.48 | RichiH | xsdg: you live?! |
| 19:53.51 | mordy | on XDMCP (yes, i've heard it's evil) |
| 19:53.58 | RichiH | also, hi |
| 19:54.05 | xsdg | RichiH: for sooth! tis true! |
| 19:54.16 | RichiH | i am officially too stupid to get xfsrestore to work over ssh |
| 19:54.27 | RichiH | it's not as if i had not done this dozens of times in the past |
| 19:54.31 | RichiH | gah |
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| 19:54.40 | xingu | RichiH: when you find yourself out on a limb, stop sawing |
| 19:54.42 | xsdg | RichiH: yeah, graduated in June, and now I'm getting ready to move across the country |
| 19:54.46 | nkuttler | kenjy: that's bad. try again? |
| 19:55.15 | themill | kenjy: disk isn't full is it? (check df -h) |
| 19:55.42 | fugit | enry: Its pretty small if you just install the minimum some open vz servers I have running with LAMP are as small as 350 including data minus kernel |
| 19:55.44 | RichiH | xsdg: i never knew you could graduate as 'special interest' sex slave |
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| 19:55.53 | RichiH | xsdg: i am happy for you and the midgets, though |
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| 19:55.57 | kenjy | themill: simfs 15G 976M 14G 7% / |
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| 19:56.17 | kenjy | nkuttler: Im trying from 9am now are 3pm |
| 19:56.24 | RichiH | xsdg: where are you moving? |
| 19:57.05 | nkuttler | kenjy: well... hd corruption maybe? |
| 19:57.09 | xsdg | RichiH: Mountain View, CA to work for Google |
| 19:57.12 | xsdg | I can't wait |
| 19:57.25 | kenjy | nkuttler: in 4 PC's? improbable :S |
| 19:57.54 | nkuttler | kenjy: what's your security line in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 19:58.38 | kenjy | nkuttler: http://rafb.net/p/5aw1hw16.html look at the end of the no paste |
| 19:59.15 | RichiH | xsdg: people seem to either love or hate it |
| 19:59.21 | RichiH | without much in between |
| 19:59.26 | xsdg | RichiH: ::nod:: |
| 19:59.54 | keith4 | how should one interpret the fact that 'asterisk-web' is in etch, but not in lenny? |
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| 20:01.10 | themill | kenjy: do you have any proxy servers in the road? |
| 20:01.39 | nkuttler | kenjy: yeah, check for proxies |
| 20:01.49 | kenjy | themill: yes I have one what should I do with the proxy? |
| 20:02.37 | themill | kenjy: can you bypass it? |
| 20:02.57 | nkuttler | does security have an ftp access? |
| 20:04.07 | streuner_ | !security |
| 20:04.07 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file to keep up-to-date on security updates in stable. Run "aptitude update" and "aptitude upgrade", or ask me about <testing security> or <unstable security> Sarge security support ended March 31 2008; ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 20:04.09 | nkuttler | kenjy: try ftp |
| 20:04.29 | kenjy | nkuttler: ok where can I get the url? |
| 20:04.36 | nkuttler | kenjy: it's the same |
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| 20:04.46 | nkuttler | oh, no, i'm lying |
| 20:04.52 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 20:05.13 | abrotman | xsdg: traitor! |
| 20:05.22 | nkuttler | well, there's an ftp access but the path is apparently different... |
| 20:05.27 | streuner_ | Debian doesn't like ftp much... |
| 20:05.39 | xsdg | muahaha! |
| 20:05.39 | streuner_ | !ftp must die |
| 20:05.39 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 20:05.40 | nkuttler | !ftp must die |
| 20:05.51 | streuner_ | !win streuner_ |
| 20:05.51 | dpkg | Congratulations, streuner_! You have won the US presidency! |
| 20:05.56 | streuner_ | oh god |
| 20:05.57 | abrotman | xsdg: is your family out there? or east ? |
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| 20:06.49 | xsdg | abrotman: primarily east coast and midwest, so :o/ |
| 20:07.02 | kenjy | nkuttler: this is the output when I change http for ftp http://rafb.net/p/oSoTav14.html |
| 20:07.41 | newsense | midwest! |
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| 20:07.52 | cjg_ | hi |
| 20:08.04 | xsdg | newsense: :o) |
| 20:08.05 | cjg_ | when I "startx" it just freezes now |
| 20:08.06 | newsense | whats good |
| 20:08.11 | cjg_ | it was working yesterday |
| 20:08.11 | newsense | ;) |
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| 20:08.20 | nkuttler | kenjy: yeah, i get that too. ftp to security.debian.org and figure out what you have to use. probably man sources.list as well |
| 20:08.33 | cjg_ | I have changed no hardware or anythign in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:08.51 | kenjy | nkuttler: tnks |
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| 20:08.59 | kenjy | can some one help me? I have a big problem with apt, whe I run apt-get update I get this http://rafb.net/p/5aw1hw16.html |
| 20:09.10 | raininja | thanks yall |
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| 20:10.07 | trinux | !win dpkg |
| 20:10.07 | dpkg | Congratulations, dpkg! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 20:10.23 | MuffinFlavored | kenjy: Please paste /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:10.25 | Eulex | YAY! |
| 20:10.34 | drwahl | is there any way to have konsole be transparent, but have it show the windows behind it as well as the desktop (instead of seeing 'through' the windows behind it) |
| 20:10.36 | themill | kenjy: try: deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib |
| 20:10.59 | kenjy | themill: this is the output with ftp http://rafb.net/p/oSoTav14.html |
| 20:11.03 | [Jasper] | guys |
| 20:11.10 | themill | drwahl: only some windows can be added to the transparent stack. |
| 20:11.12 | nkuttler | kenjy: use his line |
| 20:11.12 | [Jasper] | is it possible to limit the amount of db a certain directory can contain? |
| 20:11.14 | MuffinFlavored | kenjy: I apologize. I did not see that there. |
| 20:11.17 | themill | kenjy: that's not the deb line that I suggested |
| 20:11.22 | abrotman | xsdg: is that you giving them the finger? :) |
| 20:11.23 | kenjy | MuffinFlavored: at the botton its the output of source.list http://rafb.net/p/5aw1hw16.html |
| 20:11.38 | MuffinFlavored | kenjy: I saw this, I apologize for not seeing it at first |
| 20:11.39 | drwahl | themill: do you know of any documentation that i can read more about that? |
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| 20:12.03 | trinux | passes 5 of the 120 AOL CDs to themill |
| 20:12.19 | themill | drwahl: nfc. I just vaguely remember it from when I was using it. (until I got bored with such things) |
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| 20:13.07 | xsdg | abrotman: well, they can always visit :o) |
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| 20:13.23 | streuner_ | kenjy: why not just use http? |
| 20:13.42 | drwahl | themill: ok, just so i understand correctly, what you are saying is that certain windows can be seen when 'transparency' is selected while others cant, correct? is there anything special you have to do to enable that feature, or just use the standard 'transparent background' setting? |
| 20:13.44 | streuner_ | tell it to the proxy |
| 20:13.51 | themill | streuner_: looks like a (transparent) proxy that's acting up |
| 20:14.04 | streuner_ | that's crap |
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| 20:14.33 | streuner_ | never unterstand why people using things which make you headaches... |
| 20:14.48 | themill | drwahl: I think it depends on the window toolkit being used. Other KDE windows were OK, I think and gtk ones were misbehaving. |
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| 20:15.46 | drwahl | themill: ok, thanks for the info. i will play around and see what more i can find out |
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| 20:16.12 | themill | drwahl: perhaps. maybe. It's some years since I've looked at it. (soon after sarge was released if that helps...) |
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| 20:17.26 | kenjy | streuner_: thats the output of http |
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| 20:19.58 | kenjy | themill: you sugested this line deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib but I have two lines at deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 20:19.58 | kenjy | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
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| 20:20.44 | themill | kenjy: ignore the deb-src line for the moment. We can come back to it (it will be the same as whatever line we get to work) |
| 20:21.14 | keith4 | how should one interpret the fact that 'asterisk-web' is in etch, but not in lenny? |
| 20:21.24 | kenjy | but your repo don't use main or contrib :S |
| 20:21.40 | abrotman | xsdg: oh well ... you'll never come back to #debian :( |
| 20:22.19 | kenjy | can some one paste me the contento of source.list please? |
| 20:22.23 | kenjy | where can I find a list? |
| 20:22.37 | themill | keith4: it's either been replaced, combined with another package or removed. |
| 20:22.43 | xsdg | abrotman: I find that unlikely, though it might be a similar situation to what happened over the last 4 years when I was being consumed by school |
| 20:22.45 | newsense | !sources.list |
| 20:22.45 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 20:22.48 | nkuttler | kenjy: did you even try the line themill suggested? |
| 20:22.55 | abrotman | xsdg: it happens .. |
| 20:23.00 | kenjy | nkuttler: yes |
| 20:23.05 | keith4 | themill: any way to figure out more than that? |
| 20:23.10 | kenjy | nkuttler: E: Malformed line 11 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist parse) |
| 20:23.18 | nkuttler | kenjy: paste |
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| 20:23.47 | kenjy | nkuttler: http://rafb.net/p/09gg1e90.html |
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| 20:24.23 | themill | kenjy: you forgot to include the main contrib at the end of the last line of your sources.list |
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| 20:25.12 | kenjy | themill: that works, what about the src? |
| 20:25.13 | themill | keith4: only to look at package tracking system (links from packages.debian.org) and the changelog. |
| 20:25.27 | themill | kenjy: copy the line and change deb to deb-src |
| 20:25.28 | kenjy | my #deb-src |
| 20:25.31 | nkuttler | kenjy: so you ever build packages from source? |
| 20:25.41 | themill | (good point) |
| 20:25.59 | kenjy | nkuttler: yes |
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| 20:26.42 | kenjy | themill: why this are diferents? #deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib and deb ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security etch/updates main contrib |
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| 20:26.52 | kenjy | the ftp have the debian-security |
| 20:26.55 | keith4 | themill: fwiw, package tracking system isn't linked from package.debian.org |
| 20:27.16 | kenjy | themill: one say http://security.debian.org/ and the other one say ftp://security.debian.org/debian-security |
| 20:27.26 | nkuttler | kenjy: the webserver probably does some redirecting for you |
| 20:27.44 | kenjy | nkuttler: no, that was the url that you pasted |
| 20:28.01 | kenjy | nkuttler: how can I change all the repos to ftp? |
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| 20:29.30 | nkuttler | kenjy: contact the proxy owner, tell them to fix their stuff, use http |
| 20:29.47 | kenjy | nkuttler: why I should not use ftp? |
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| 20:31.35 | ChristianP | Hi, I need some help setting up load balancing routing. I have one "outgoing" NIC, and I need to route the traffic through two different IPs (on the same subnet). |
| 20:31.39 | keith4 | themill: thanks for the tip. i found what i was looking for in the changelog, linked from package tracker |
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| 20:32.32 | enouf | bsulzer: hi, i just sent you a pm about it |
| 20:33.08 | ChristianP | I've been reading a lot of instructions, but most involve dual interfaces |
| 20:33.09 | enouf | bsulzer: i had said -> bsulzer the thing about vga=NNN you'd still need fbset to change on the fly in the ttys, but once you're happy with font size it shouldn't be an issue |
| 20:33.43 | enouf | bsulzer: my boot line is kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.23-i386 root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 say |
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| 20:34.06 | enouf | bsulzer: i only did a pm, b/c you hadn't yet joined here - it's ok, talk in here |
| 20:34.16 | bsulzer | ok, thx |
| 20:34.43 | enouf | bsulzer: 1280x800 is an odd resolution, you might need 'uvesafb' in .24 and up |
| 20:34.54 | abrotman | ChristianP: like channel bonding ? |
| 20:35.07 | enouf | bsulzer: but see chapter 5 in that VESA doc from tldp.org i showed you |
| 20:35.22 | peppe | ChristianP: why do you want to balance traffic between two hosts, using just one NIC? are you looking for something like LVS? |
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| 20:37.25 | acxty | I am trying to rescue a scratched cd with ddrescue. But it stays in Copying Bad blocks and had done 7 retries, does someone had that problem before? |
| 20:37.58 | ChristianP | peppe+others: The deal is, I am sitting on the Greenland icesheets with 2 satelitte internet connections and I want to bond them |
| 20:38.35 | peppe | ChristianP: 2 connections means 2 network interfaces, or what? |
| 20:38.50 | enry | would it be ok to build a deb package on ubuntu and expect it to work in debian etch? |
| 20:38.50 | ChristianP | the satelitte connections are BGAN phones with one IF each |
| 20:39.02 | abrotman | !bonding |
| 20:39.03 | dpkg | [bonding] making two nics have the same ip address which increases throughput and provides failover. for instructions on setting it up, read Documentation/networking/bonding.txt in the linux kernel source, or the documentation in the ifenslave package |
| 20:39.12 | abrotman | but i'm not sure that's what you're talkinga bout |
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| 20:39.29 | stew | no, i don't think so, i think he has one NIC, not two |
| 20:39.41 | stew | in which case he wants split access, not bonding |
| 20:39.43 | stew | !split access |
| 20:39.44 | dpkg | split access is probably when you have 2 networks connected to the same computer, with their separate default gateways, the first step in loadbalancing, http://yellowpigs.net/computers/multiple_subnets, or http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.multiple-links.html |
| 20:39.45 | abrotman | enry: i seriously doubt it |
| 20:39.58 | abrotman | enry: on multiple levels |
| 20:40.07 | ChristianP | stew: thats right |
| 20:40.25 | ChristianP | but the lartc.org procedure calls for 2 nics serverside |
| 20:40.51 | ChristianP | and the nearest nic is 400km or a hercules away |
| 20:41.07 | peppe | ChristianP: maybe it works if you use virtual interfaces too |
| 20:41.08 | stew | ChristianP: the lartc.org procedure would work just fine if both NICs were actually the same one |
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| 20:42.06 | BrahmsC | what commands beside lspci and lsusb exist to list hardware specs ? |
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| 20:42.29 | stew | BrahmsC: lshw, hwinfo, dmidecode |
| 20:42.33 | streuner_ | BrahmsC: arent those not enough? |
| 20:42.48 | BrahmsC | thanks |
| 20:43.03 | ChristianP | stew+peppe: I will look into it a bit more |
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| 20:43.15 | pr0ut | hello all |
| 20:43.55 | newsense | !ls |
| 20:43.55 | dpkg | CONFIG.SYS AUTOEXEC.BAT TEMP WINDOWS My Documents PROGRA~1 |
| 20:44.08 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 20:44.10 | newsense | !hardware |
| 20:44.10 | dpkg | Before buying any hardware, make sure it's supported by all operating systems you want to use. ask me about <hcl> |
| 20:44.13 | newsense | dammit |
| 20:44.14 | streuner_ | !factinfo ls |
| 20:44.14 | dpkg | ls -- last modified at Mon May 5 05:34:41 2003 by hoxu!hoxu@dsl-jklgw3i1c.dial.inet.fi; it has been requested 314 times, last by newsense, 19s ago. |
| 20:44.15 | newsense | lol |
| 20:44.20 | newsense | forget the factoid |
| 20:44.31 | abrotman | newsense: play with the bot in #debian-bots |
| 20:44.40 | streuner_ | no, don't |
| 20:44.45 | newsense | wasnt playing |
| 20:44.47 | streuner_ | they will kick your ass |
| 20:44.48 | newsense | ;? |
| 20:44.59 | streuner_ | newsense: sure, you did |
| 20:45.03 | newsense | yeah ok |
| 20:45.11 | newsense | €your story tell it the way you want |
| 20:45.42 | pr0ut | i'm using to compile my kernel, then im using grub-reboot 1 to boot test on my new kernel, but when my server rebooted there is on my kernel 0 on menu.lst, that means its working or he fails ? |
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| 20:46.04 | streuner_ | abrotman: i don't know who start that, but nobody in #debian-bots like when somebody playing with bots... |
| 20:46.04 | pr0ut | *i'm trying to compile |
| 20:46.11 | abrotman | streuner_: better than here |
| 20:46.19 | newsense | i said 2 thigs to the dam bot |
| 20:46.26 | newsense | play with yoursel;f |
| 20:46.29 | streuner_ | abrotman: well, you have a few OPs there and staff members... |
| 20:46.47 | streuner_ | abrotman: not very useful... |
| 20:46.48 | newsense | than i said i forgot the factoid and said lol |
| 20:46.59 | newsense | dont gotta be an ass |
| 20:47.12 | streuner_ | newsense: ok |
| 20:47.16 | trinux | dpkg can answer in /query tho |
| 20:47.17 | dpkg | trinux: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 20:47.25 | trinux | dpkg: silly |
| 20:47.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, silly is stupid and weird |
| 20:47.39 | pr0ut | any idea ? |
| 20:47.47 | abrotman | streuner_: better than /msg |
| 20:48.23 | trinux | pr0ut: i dont understand what you are asking. could you describe in a different way what the problem is? |
| 20:48.36 | newsense | sorry all if im unsure of a factoid ill msg dpkg directly than tell him to tell whoever needs the info, sorry all |
| 20:48.41 | pr0ut | im french but i will try |
| 20:48.52 | pr0ut | im trying to compile new kernel |
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| 20:49.03 | trinux | pr0ut: i think there is a #debian.fr either here on Freenode or on OFTC |
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| 20:49.10 | stew | newsense: you can use listkeys/listvalues or http://dpkg.vireo.org to locate a factoid if you are having trouble remembering one |
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| 20:49.37 | newsense | thanks stew |
| 20:49.39 | pr0ut | to test if he works fine im trying to boot on it with "grub-reboot 1" command |
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| 20:50.07 | trinux | pr0ut: why dont you select the new kernel from the boot menu? |
| 20:50.41 | pr0ut | because im not sure of my new kernel |
| 20:50.54 | trinux | pr0ut: its a remote machine without a rescue console? |
| 20:51.00 | pr0ut | yes |
| 20:51.04 | trinux | oh i see! |
| 20:51.19 | pr0ut | i dont want payd a new install at 35€ :p |
| 20:51.29 | trinux | somebody else needs to take over then, cause i didnt know about grub-reboot so far |
| 20:51.47 | pr0ut | and i asked on debian-fr but nobidy answer :) |
| 20:51.51 | pr0ut | *nobody |
| 20:52.06 | Rich333 | is there some standard debian way of setting the default apache umask (setting it in /etc/apache2/envvars doesn't work)? the only other options I see are mod_umask (which isn't in debian), and editing the /etc/init.d/apache2 script directly |
| 20:52.09 | trinux | yes the smaller channels require much patience sometimes |
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| 20:52.34 | lrp | hello everyone |
| 20:53.01 | newsense | whats up |
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| 20:53.10 | keith4 | I suddenly can't 'apt-file update'.... "Can't get http://security.debian.org/dists/etch/updates/Contents-i386.gz" |
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| 20:56.33 | keith4 | am I missing something? |
| 20:57.14 | dutchfish | prolly the server is in state of updating, try later again, i had the same 2 weeks ago |
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| 20:58.14 | cameodemon | hey ive been searching hard on this but how can i mount a directory as a block device? im using this in a bash script to transform a directory of .VOB files into an ISO |
| 20:58.32 | stew | cameodemon: use --bind |
| 20:58.48 | cameodemon | bind under mount? |
| 20:58.53 | stew | cameodemon: (for re-mounting a directory, i have no idea about .vob viles or whatever) |
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| 20:59.08 | cameodemon | .vob files are whats produced when you rip a dvd |
| 20:59.13 | stew | cameodemon: yes, --bind will let you mount a directory somwhere else |
| 20:59.13 | pawbie_ | Looking for assistance building gtk+-2.12.0 on Etch. |
| 20:59.47 | cameodemon | and will this mount it as a block device? |
| 21:00.05 | stew | cameodemon: what do you mean? |
| 21:00.18 | stew | actually, i don't want to be involved if you are pirating a dvd |
| 21:00.40 | cameodemon | pirating? no. backing up. i am not pirating. |
| 21:00.51 | cameodemon | but ok i respect that |
| 21:00.57 | dutchfish | cameodemon, why not use dvd+rw-tools: /usr/bin/growisofs ? |
| 21:01.00 | stew | cameodemon: ask the content owner for a second copy |
| 21:01.24 | enouf | gentlemen, and odd request - someone is asking about libstdc++ bugs, showed some BTS reports for us., and not sure where to send him to follow up, report it further - seems it's affecting a Gaming Engine http://wiki.fifengine.de - here are some bug reports - 1) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364907 and 2) http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=365245 Question, is upstream #gcc for something like this? |
| 21:01.30 | enouf | s/and/an |
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| 21:01.45 | rsk | hello i can't mount a dvd i just burned in vista |
| 21:01.57 | rsk | i'm in debian unstable |
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| 21:02.06 | rsk | all the others cd's ive tried have worked |
| 21:02.06 | pawbie_ | rsk: udf tools |
| 21:02.10 | enouf | more http://www.gamedev.net/community/forums/topic.asp?topic_id=407786 |
| 21:02.11 | rsk | i have it |
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| 21:02.15 | rsk | but how do i use it pawbie_ ? |
| 21:02.15 | stew | rsk: why can't you? |
| 21:02.18 | barra_ | good evening |
| 21:02.28 | rsk | stew: i dont know, it usually just automounts. |
| 21:02.48 | pawbie_ | rsk: apt-get install udftools |
| 21:02.56 | barra_ | enouf prolly already explained the case; we're encountering a really strange bug that seems to hide in specific versions of stdlibc++ |
| 21:02.58 | stew | rsk: what does "mount /dev/dvd /mnt" return? |
| 21:02.59 | rsk | pawbie_: i have it, but how do i use it pawbie_ ? |
| 21:03.40 | rsk | mount: block device /dev/hdc is write-protected, mounting read-only |
| 21:03.40 | rsk | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
| 21:03.44 | barra_ | to summarize the issue: 64bit linux distro + opengl + python + exception = segfault |
| 21:03.46 | lrp | hello to authenticate agains AD from debian radius server with samba i understand that i need also kerberos , but i need to know witch one version of kerberos , any hand on this ?? |
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| 21:03.56 | pawbie_ | rsk: I don't think I installed anything else. Vista UDF discs work fine here (debian etch) |
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| 21:04.06 | rsk | what kernel version |
| 21:04.09 | stew | barra_: which distro? |
| 21:04.11 | pawbie_ | 2.6.24 |
| 21:04.16 | barra_ | valgrind indicates that the issue might be related to libstdc++ |
| 21:04.17 | rsk | could it be this missing? http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=bfb257a5981af805a9394f00f75d3d9f7b611cc0 |
| 21:04.22 | rsk | 2.6.24 here too |
| 21:04.25 | rsk | ok so not that |
| 21:04.37 | barra_ | it happens on a bunch of kernel versions; it might just depend on stdlibc++ version |
| 21:05.05 | barra_ | it doesn't occur in debian sid |
| 21:05.05 | stew | rsk: what does "file -s /dev/hdc" return? |
| 21:05.05 | rsk | where should i start debugging? |
| 21:05.05 | barra_ | which ships with 6.4.3 of libstdc++ |
| 21:05.05 | rsk | /dev/hdc: data |
| 21:05.22 | barra_ | the users encounter the segfault in debian etch with stdlibc++ 6.4.2 though |
| 21:05.27 | pawbie_ | rsk: try pktsetup and see if it'll make a mount friendly device for you. |
| 21:05.37 | rsk | mkay |
| 21:05.43 | enouf | barra_: it only seems to be a bug in debian's libstdc++ pkgs? |
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| 21:05.54 | rsk | pawbie_: pktsetup /dec/hdc ? |
| 21:05.55 | barra_ | nope, other distros are affected as well |
| 21:06.16 | pawbie_ | rsk: pktsetup /dev/pkcdrom /dev/cdrom |
| 21:06.20 | barra_ | e.g. ubuntu (though it might simply use the debian-based package, I know little about linux) |
| 21:06.21 | enouf | beth: so, why would you say something like; "<barra_> but we would like to provide a kind of workaround so affected users don't need to switch to a new distro just to use our engine" |
| 21:06.26 | stew | barra_: etch users should be using libstdc++6.4.2 |
| 21:06.27 | enouf | bah |
| 21:06.33 | stew | barra_: err, should NOT be using that version |
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| 21:06.38 | enouf | i meant barra_ , not beth |
| 21:06.38 | stew | barra_: they should be using 4.1 |
| 21:06.41 | rsk | no change. |
| 21:06.42 | rsk | :( |
| 21:07.36 | rsk | hm.. |
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| 21:07.49 | barra_ | oki, is there a way to install multiple stdlibc++ versions on one system and decide which version to link against? |
| 21:08.18 | rsk | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.18 | rsk | [ 176.039740] ISOFS: Unable to identify CD-ROM format. |
| 21:08.24 | rsk | that's what dmsegs tells me |
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| 21:08.37 | pawbie_ | rsk: Bad disc? Try another? |
| 21:08.46 | rsk | no it worked in windows |
| 21:08.51 | enouf | barra_: you could set multiple VMs .. maybe even chroot envs |
| 21:08.53 | rsk | o i just verified all files as working |
| 21:09.11 | dutchfish | enouf, on lenny with libstdc++6 your example compiles fine (4.3.1-2 amd64) |
| 21:09.37 | barra_ | what libstdc++ versions are you running dutchfish ? |
| 21:09.58 | enouf | dutchfish: ok, good news i suspect, so, i had also mentioned that " barra_ " the one having the issues, read the changlogs |
| 21:10.04 | dutchfish | barra_, libstdc++6 4.3.1-2 & libstdc++6-4.3-dev 4.3.1-2 |
| 21:10.08 | stew | barra_: yes, aptitude install libstdc++6-4.1-dev libstdc++6--dev installs both 3.4 and 4.1, you can select which you are using with "export CXX=/usr/bin/g++-3.4" or "export CXX=/usr/bin/g++-4.1" or some such, provided the makefile is well written and reado to read those environment variables |
| 21:10.08 | barra_ | 32 or 64bit? it seems that only 64bit versions are affected now though the issue seems to have showed up on 32bit distros in the past as well |
| 21:10.18 | enouf | barra_: amd64 == 64bit OS |
| 21:10.34 | dutchfish | barra_, enouf this is lenny 64bit amd64 |
| 21:10.45 | stew | barra_: how did the etch user get libstdc++6-4.2 installed? an etch user should not be using 4.2 |
| 21:10.58 | dutchfish | stew, righty |
| 21:11.11 | pawbie_ | hm |
| 21:11.19 | pawbie_ | So you're not supposed to randomly swap out libs? :\ |
| 21:11.22 | barra_ | oki, so general advice for our users would be: get stdlibc++ 6.4.3 if available or get 4.1 if not? |
| 21:11.25 | stew | barra_: if an etch user is using 4.2, then they are likely not actually using etch before, but a broken etch/lenny mix |
| 21:11.51 | barra_ | I'm a bit puzzled about version numbers |
| 21:11.55 | stew | barra_: no, the advice would be "aptitude install build-essential" which gets them whatever the default is |
| 21:12.11 | barra_ | 4.2 = 6.4.2 as it's stdlibc++6 ? |
| 21:12.29 | stew | barra_: yes |
| 21:13.06 | Talaturen | Hello. ServerTokens doesn't seem to have any effect in apache2.conf on Lenny, is this a bug or was it removed on purpose? |
| 21:13.14 | bolt | I'm reading this article about viruses on windows vs. linux, and it's talking about the security involved with not running as an administrator. I'm not sure if a normal user does this, but both on windows and linux I am constantly tweaking something, and all a potential virus would have to do was log my keystrokes and wait for a root/administrator password dialog to appear... |
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| 21:13.33 | enouf | rsk: 'data' returned from a file -s /dev/cdrom means it's usually binary data - you want something like cue/bin conversion maybe - see bchunk and bin2iso |
| 21:13.46 | enouf | rsk: afaik |
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| 21:13.56 | tview | I have the same sources.list on my main development machine and my laptop. So how come they are running different kernel versions after an update and upgrade? |
| 21:14.09 | rsk | enouf: how can i convert it if it can't mount it? |
| 21:14.19 | enouf | rsk: is it perhaps a multisession CD/DVD ? |
| 21:14.25 | stew | tview: you have different kernel packages installed |
| 21:14.27 | pawbie_ | oh, there's a good question |
| 21:14.30 | rsk | yea i think soo enouf |
| 21:14.30 | barra_ | hmm not sure if 6.4.1 would work |
| 21:14.35 | rsk | i've burned too it 2 times. |
| 21:14.36 | pawbie_ | rsk: Did you eject the thing from Vista to close it? |
| 21:14.38 | tview | stew: how is that? |
| 21:14.52 | kibibyte | ubuntu is cool:d |
| 21:14.54 | rsk | um no idea. i just burned and ejected it. |
| 21:15.06 | enouf | rsk: tutorials, like .. well then cdfs might also help ... yeah, did you end session, finalize disk? |
| 21:15.08 | tview | stew: I use lenny and assume the latest to be installed when its promoted to testing. |
| 21:15.09 | pawbie_ | rsk: Ejected it with Windows, or the button on the drive? |
| 21:15.16 | stew | tview: upgrade won't intall a new package, so if, for instance, one has linux-image-2.6.24-___ installed you shouldn't expect it to install a linux-image-2.6.25-___ package (since that is a completely different pacakge) |
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| 21:15.19 | rsk | the button on the drive |
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| 21:15.21 | DanDare | ubuntu is debian based? |
| 21:15.27 | rsk | DanDare: yes. |
| 21:15.28 | stew | DanDare: ask #ubuntu |
| 21:15.32 | enouf | rsk: like http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/ i meant |
| 21:15.35 | barra_ | the bug report posted here says that 6.4.1 is broken as well stew: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=364907 |
| 21:15.38 | tview | stew: so how come it does just that on my main machine? |
| 21:15.47 | DanDare | stew thanks |
| 21:16.17 | stew | tview: if you have a kernel meta package such as "linux-image" or "linux-image-2.6" or "linux-image-686" then you would get your kernel upgraded from linux-image-2.6.24 to linux-image-2.6.25 IF you ran dist-upgrade, but not if you ran upgrade |
| 21:16.18 | DanDare | i coould ask: Debian have ubuntu as son[[ |
| 21:16.26 | rking | You know how your "num lock" will function until your box is 100% locked up? what level is it that controls the "I hit NumLock and the light goes on", and how does it get so bogged down that the system cannot even do that much? |
| 21:16.30 | DanDare | to fit in this channel i guess |
| 21:16.31 | enouf | rsk: what was the original file? an iso? a rar? a bin? just because it says .iso doesn't mean it it |
| 21:16.34 | enouf | is* |
| 21:16.58 | rsk | enouf: the file is 3 isos and one .exe file |
| 21:17.01 | stew | DanDare: no |
| 21:17.08 | DanDare | :( |
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| 21:17.54 | enouf | rsk: did you burn it as Burn Image? on the disk are the files still ISOs? |
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| 21:18.09 | enouf | rsk: on the dvd disk i mean |
| 21:18.18 | rsk | they are isos , but not burned as , they are files on the dvd disk. |
| 21:18.29 | enouf | rsk: so, you could try and loop mount them |
| 21:18.44 | rsk | but how could i know their names? |
| 21:19.01 | rsk | i can't se anything on the dvd |
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| 21:19.38 | enouf | you need the offsets though - and maybe cdfs can help .. erm, maybe even cdemu or odman ? i forget now ..please review the url i posted .. but, might be a real PITA, might be easy, i can't personally say |
| 21:19.43 | enouf | rsk: ^^^^ |
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| 21:19.55 | pawbie_ | yay, finally got svg's back in gnome. |
| 21:19.57 | rsk | i skimmed the url and i couldn't find anything usefull realy |
| 21:20.13 | enouf | rsk: you can try and get info you need from using it in your other OS and it's tools .. or wine? |
| 21:20.24 | rsk | mount -t iso9660 -o loop,user image.iso /wheretomount <- regular mount right ? |
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| 21:20.37 | enouf | rsk: you didn't read close enough then, and didn't follow the urls it points too |
| 21:20.58 | enouf | !cd mount |
| 21:21.00 | rsk | i tried that with udf option also. |
| 21:21.02 | enouf | !mount cd |
| 21:21.05 | enouf | !mount cdrom |
| 21:21.05 | rsk | hm |
| 21:21.06 | dpkg | If everything is working well, then just "mount /dev/cdrom"; otherwise, you can "mount -t iso9660 /dev/hdX /media/cdrom" where /dev/hdX (or /dev/sdX) is your cd-device. See man mount for more information or ask me about <automount> or <iso mount>. |
| 21:21.12 | tview | stew: strange. My dev machine upgraded to 2.6.25 and I never did a dist-upgrade |
| 21:21.16 | barra_ | thanks for you time :-) I think thats enough information for our users to find a way to work around the issue |
| 21:21.21 | rsk | !mount automount |
| 21:21.26 | rsk | !ask automount |
| 21:21.31 | twobitwork | !automount |
| 21:21.32 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 21:21.37 | Ketzu | Hello. I'm trying to get a few packages from the testing repository without having to upgrade the whole system to lenny, but I'm getting some errors from apt-get. I followed the short howto on http://forums.spry.com/showthread.php?t=620 and then when I run apt-get update I get an error saying that Dynamic MMap ran out of room, and a problem with MergeList. |
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| 21:22.00 | Ketzu | Is that howto not providing enough information to do this, and if so, could someone point me to a resource that does? =\ |
| 21:22.03 | stew | tview: then you did something like "apt-get install linux-image" or "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.25" or something to install that package |
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| 21:22.21 | enouf | rsk: try fdisk on the sucker, just in case it is packet written and maybe even using 512 byte sectors, instead of 2048 |
| 21:22.35 | stew | tview: you did NOT upgrade from 2.6.24 to 2.6.25 by running "apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude upgrade" |
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| 21:23.12 | enouf | rsk: but yeah, your loop mount command would work if it was indeed an ISO, it isn't |
| 21:23.17 | pipegeek | So, weird problem |
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| 21:23.31 | rsk | mkay |
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| 21:24.01 | pipegeek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:24.02 | twobitwork | Ketzu: that should work, and it sounds like some strange error |
| 21:24.13 | pipegeek | sudo has a line %wheel ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:24.23 | enouf | rsk: it's a few files, also - see isoinfo -d dev=/dev/dvd (add "-i filename.iso" and remove dev=/dev/dvd for files) |
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| 21:24.28 | eddieBB | i need help running IceWeasel. it opens for a split second then closes. anyone know what's going on? |
| 21:24.28 | pipegeek | if this user runs 'groups', they are listed as being in wheel |
| 21:24.37 | pipegeek | however, if they try to sudo, they're told that they're not in sudoers. |
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| 21:24.39 | Ketzu | twobitwork: Woud you like me t pastebin it so you can see the whole error? |
| 21:24.40 | tview | stew: just to be clear. If I have the "generic" linux-image then it will install latest at all times? Because that is what I do have on my dev machine. |
| 21:24.48 | twobitwork | Ketzu: please |
| 21:25.01 | pipegeek | strace shows that sudo is in fact doing an ldap lookup |
| 21:25.03 | pipegeek | so what's going on? |
| 21:25.32 | pipegeek | (this works on other machines in the domain, btw) |
| 21:25.39 | tview | stew: certainly I just selected "linux-image" on the laptop and 2.6.25 has been installed with no dist-upgrade - just a normal "aptitude upgrade" |
| 21:25.43 | stew | tview: no, only if you run "apt-get dist-upgrade" or "aptitude full-upgrade" or "aptitude install linux-iamge" or some such, a new upstream kernel version would never be installed with commands like "apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude upgrade" or "aptitude safe-upgrade" since those commands would not install a new package |
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| 21:25.57 | pipegeek | running etch, if this makes a difference |
| 21:26.06 | pipegeek | as are the other machines |
| 21:26.25 | tview | stew: not that its a bad thing since grub keeps the old ones too. |
| 21:26.41 | twobitwork | pipegeek: have you checked for options which might be in the other machines' sudoers file which aren't in the this one? |
| 21:26.49 | n3kl | pipegeek: dood, its really hard to follow you when you press enter ever 5 words |
| 21:26.58 | Ketzu | twobitwork: http://pastebin.com/m18c83fcc |
| 21:27.04 | Ketzu | twobitwork: Also included the sources.list |
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| 21:27.43 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: and your sudoers lists the group wheel appropriately? what does getent group wheel; return? |
| 21:27.44 | eddieBB | i need help running IceWeasel. it opens for a split second then closes. anyone know what's going on? |
| 21:27.45 | twobitwork | Ketzu: how much ram do you have on your vps? |
| 21:27.48 | pipegeek | twobitwork: same sudoers file, distributed via puppet. And sorry, n3kl---it's a bad habit of mine, and one I"ll avoid in the future |
| 21:28.05 | dutchfish | eddieBB, what version debian, have you installed plugins or the like? |
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| 21:28.16 | Ketzu | 2gb |
| 21:28.24 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: I'm a moron |
| 21:28.37 | eddieBB | dutchfish: Etch, i don't think so |
| 21:28.39 | pipegeek | there's a local wheel group, and that's what getent group wheel is returning. |
| 21:28.49 | dondelelcaro | ah; yeah, getent is your friend. ;-) |
| 21:28.52 | dutchfish | eddieBB, is this a clean and updated system? |
| 21:28.58 | eddieBB | dutchfish: yes |
| 21:29.06 | simard | where do I get the .config with which the 2.6.25-2-686 kernel (lenny) has been compiled with ? |
| 21:29.26 | dondelelcaro | !kernel config |
| 21:29.27 | pipegeek | Thank you all. |
| 21:29.27 | dpkg | See /boot/config-* for debian kernels which you have installed, or http://merkel.debian.org/~jurij/ for other official kernels. |
| 21:29.31 | enouf | rsk: maybe dvd+rw-mediainfo can spit out something useful as well .. again if you can find where the start/end of the offsets of files are (sectors) you should be able to losetup and loop mount it .. However, let me ask, are you trying to put say Game CDs 1,2,3 for a game on a DVD and use that? for that you likely want to use "cdemu" .. or maybe something like alcohol120 in wine |
| 21:29.45 | dutchfish | eddieBB, my best best is to purge and reinstall or apt-get install --reinstall iceweasel |
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| 21:30.31 | eddieBB | dutchfish: IceScape and FireFox wouldn't work either. but i'll try reinstall |
| 21:30.33 | enouf | rsk: or maybe you're trying to make a Multibootable DVD with 3 separate distro ISOs? |
| 21:30.38 | aredhel | Ketzu, the instructions in the link you pasted, are insane, do to library trasisions. What you want is backports of the packages that you want to install. As for the error, how much disk space do you have? |
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| 21:30.52 | dutchfish | eddieBB, firefox???? |
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| 21:31.03 | twobitwork | Ketzu: you have the same distros/repos listed multiple times |
| 21:31.06 | eddieBB | dutchfish: yes |
| 21:31.13 | rsk | enouf: it's just a game with 3iso and one .exe patch and i want the files on my hdd so i can mount them. easy enough? :) |
| 21:31.24 | Ketzu | aredhel: Plenty of space o here. No drive is using more than 17% |
| 21:31.25 | dutchfish | eddieBB, iceweasel is more or less firefox, you should not mix this |
| 21:31.31 | enouf | rsk: so, dd it over .. no? |
| 21:31.43 | twobitwork | Ketzu: and yes, as aredhel says there are problems with running mixed systems |
| 21:31.57 | twobitwork | !tell Ketzu about backports |
| 21:32.00 | dutchfish | eddieBB, i would first purge both and then install iceweasel again |
| 21:32.09 | rsk | enouf: um how? |
| 21:32.10 | Ketzu | twobitwork: Where's the duplicates? O.o |
| 21:32.21 | Greyscale | I have an issue |
| 21:32.41 | enouf | rsk: or even create a large empty file, mkfs on it, and dd it onto that .. use dd if=/dev/dvd of=/yourfile.iso bs=4M (or whatever) |
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| 21:33.10 | Greyscale | http://pastebin.com/m3aaeacd6 |
| 21:33.11 | twobitwork | Ketzu: lines 21 and 27 are duplicates, and line 10 isn't an exact duplicate, but does point to the same repository |
| 21:33.12 | eddieBB | dutchfish: still having the same problem |
| 21:33.26 | dutchfish | eddieBB, how did you purge both? |
| 21:33.38 | twobitwork | Ketzu: I'm not sure if that is causing the problems or not... |
| 21:33.40 | eddieBB | dutchfish i did the reinstall |
| 21:34.06 | dutchfish | eddieBB, in this case (having firefox and iceweasel) you should PURGE them both |
| 21:34.06 | twobitwork | eddieBB: when you run iceweasel from a terminal does it give any output? |
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| 21:34.44 | eddieBB | twobitwork: how do i run from terminal? sorry, i'm still a noob |
| 21:35.20 | twobitwork | eddieBB: nevermind... I just noticed dutchfish saying you have both installed... I would follow his instructions |
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| 21:36.00 | Form_ | is there some reason a DNAT from 30001:39999 to 192.168.0.203:1-9999 won't just work? |
| 21:36.01 | dutchfish | eddieBB, how did you install firefox anayway? |
| 21:36.01 | Ketzu | twobitwork: kay, commented those out and it didn't fix it. Sokay though, I'll just do a backport :) |
| 21:36.04 | Form_ | not Debian specific, I know |
| 21:36.08 | enouf | rsk: that process is shown moreso here http://freehackers.org/~tnagy/backups.html .. just ignore the crypto stuff |
| 21:36.33 | tuv | when i ssh to a remote machine, some machines update my gnome-terminal title to reflect the remote machine's hostname, while some don't. what's missing from those that don't? |
| 21:36.39 | enouf | rsk: here's another tut http://linuxgazette.net/114/kapil.html |
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| 21:37.08 | Greyscale | http://pastebin.com/m3aaeacd6 I need some help with networking. |
| 21:37.13 | eddieBB | dutchfish: apt-get install.. i've purged firefox, iceape, and iceweasel |
| 21:37.13 | Greyscale | Its a Debian Xen VPS. |
| 21:37.33 | dutchfish | eddieBB, ok, now apt-get install iceweasel |
| 21:37.36 | trinux | enouf: you still read LG or is that your google skills? |
| 21:38.18 | eddieBB | dutchfish: no change |
| 21:38.19 | enouf | rsk: but if you basically drag-dropped 3 ISOs+ 1exe and made one burn session, then it should be a multisession - but if you burned 3 "Burn Images" 3x then it would be likely |
| 21:38.27 | enouf | trinux: bookmarks :-P |
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| 21:38.36 | trinux | grins |
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| 21:38.47 | enouf | i still try to read it though |
| 21:39.01 | dutchfish | eddieBB, startup a terminal session (non root) and start iceweasel, what does it say? |
| 21:39.23 | enouf | rsk: oops, should NOT be a multisession |
| 21:39.49 | enouf | (i hate when i somehow leave off the n't .. ) |
| 21:40.14 | eddieBB | dutchfish: do i just type iceweasel? |
| 21:40.20 | dutchfish | eddieBB, yes |
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| 21:40.23 | rsk | enouf: i burned the 3 isos as one file with vist'as inbuilt burning program then i added one .exe patch and burned it and ejected the disc. |
| 21:40.34 | eddieBB | dutchfish: (firefox-bin:31395): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 21:40.42 | rsk | er not as one file. |
| 21:40.48 | rsk | but 3 separates files. |
| 21:41.00 | newsense | Greyscale: why dont ya add your netmask |
| 21:41.02 | enouf | rsk: well, then your 3 ISOs are in one session and the exe patch is in another (most likely) |
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| 21:41.42 | enouf | rsk: i realize .. if you put the disk into that other OS and browse, youe see 3 ISOs + 1 exe? |
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| 21:41.58 | rsk | yea i see 4 files. in vista |
| 21:42.05 | enouf | righto .. ok |
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| 21:42.09 | eddieBB | dutchfish: that's the message i get when trying to run through Terminal |
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| 21:43.06 | dutchfish | eddieBB, is the next line containing: Permission denied? |
| 21:43.08 | enouf | rsk: if you have burned them as "Burn Image" each ISO would've expnaded to many many files and dirs .. so to speak .. but i don't think that's what you want anyway = just saying |
| 21:43.28 | eddieBB | dutchfish: no, there isn't a next line |
| 21:43.37 | rsk | yea i dont want burn image |
| 21:43.44 | enouf | rsk: anyways, that's all i can do .. it's not really a debian issue anyway ;-) google your heart out ;-) |
| 21:43.47 | rsk | i've burned them just as i wanted them. |
| 21:44.07 | rsk | but i just can acces them, so _not_ awesome. :) |
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| 21:44.11 | ArthurArchnix | Looks like lenny just got a new kernel... 2.6.25-2-686 25-1 to 25-2 means very minor changes, right? |
| 21:44.24 | tview | Can someone point me to a resource explaining how to stop gnome prompting me for the password for the keyboard ring after a reboot? I have a password protected secure volume and that is enough. |
| 21:44.34 | tview | s/keyboard/password |
| 21:44.35 | dutchfish | eddieBB, can you pastebin your .bashrc file (located in your home folder)? |
| 21:44.39 | Greyscale | newsense, I dunno what it should be :( |
| 21:44.45 | dutchfish | !tell eddieBB about pastebin |
| 21:44.48 | themill | ArthurArchnix: well, you'll need to recompile any out-of-tree modules. aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 |
| 21:45.05 | enouf | rsk: for example, if you look into .nrg burned ISOs (nero2iso) you'll see all it does is loop mount it at offset the 1st 150 sectors into disk or similar |
| 21:45.07 | ArthurArchnix | thanks mill... I didn't know about changelog feature |
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| 21:45.54 | enouf | rsk: so, that sector info might be useful - now cdda2wav can get that info for AudioCDs, dunno about DVDs and your kind of burn |
| 21:46.15 | enouf | (or was it cdrdao ,, i forget now .. one sec) |
| 21:46.17 | eddieBB | dutchfish: http://pastebin.ca/1078839 |
| 21:47.02 | enouf | yeah ~$ ~$ cdda2wav -v63 -N -d0 dev=/dev/dvd1 |
| 21:47.14 | enouf | for example .. oops, ignore the ~$ stuf |
| 21:47.52 | enouf | or more simply; cdda2wav -J dev=/dev/dvd1 |
| 21:48.29 | kibibyte | xubuntu is better that windows why people use windows |
| 21:48.39 | themill | ArthurArchnix: also /msg dpkg apt-listchanges |
| 21:48.42 | dutchfish | eddieBB, add at line 10: export DISPLAY=:0.0 (then log out log in, and try again) |
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| 21:52.31 | eddieBB | dutchfish: still not working. was i supposed to add spaces before and after line 10? |
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| 21:53.00 | dutchfish | eddieBB, not important, what does it say when you run it from the console now? |
| 21:53.18 | tuv | what's wrong with kernel 2.6.25.. keeps freezing on my amd64. 2.6.24 seems to be stable |
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| 21:53.25 | linux2 | does anyone here know of an image program that will search and display all images out of multiple directories. I don't want to have to go and search through every folder and select all of the image files. |
| 21:53.35 | eddieBB | dutchfish: (firefox-bin:31420): Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 21:53.42 | xsdg | linux2: geeqie |
| 21:53.48 | dutchfish | eddieBB, nothing else? |
| 21:54.01 | eddieBB | dutchfish: in vnc i'm using display 1. i don't think i have a display 0 if that means anything |
| 21:54.05 | xsdg | linux2: unfortunately, it's under heavy development and the debian packager isn't really keeping up |
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| 21:54.20 | xsdg | linux2: it's also alpha-ish software, though it's reasonably stable |
| 21:54.21 | eddieBB | dutchfish: no, nothing else |
| 21:54.22 | linux2 | xsdg: yeah I don't even see it as a package in apt |
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| 21:54.34 | linux2 | xsdg: yeah I only need it for this one thing |
| 21:54.37 | dutchfish | eddieBB, then change line 10 to that display number |
| 21:54.38 | xsdg | linux2: if you want to compile it, geeqie.sf.net |
| 21:54.43 | xsdg | linux2: I use it as my primary image viewer |
| 21:55.06 | tview | linux2: you might consider picasa too |
| 21:55.11 | eddieBB | dutchfish: export DISPLAY=:1.0? |
| 21:55.14 | linux2 | xsdg: I find compiling to be annoying... if only I knew how to build it into deb packages |
| 21:55.21 | dutchfish | eddieBB, no i was wrong about that |
| 21:55.21 | [Jasper] | GUYS, I'm having a problem....I need to have a combined quota per user...based on a remote database server, remote mailserver and LOCAL files......ANYONE KNOW HOW? |
| 21:55.28 | dutchfish | eddieBB, hold on |
| 21:55.34 | eddieBB | dutchfish: okay |
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| 21:56.09 | xsdg | linux2: anyway, I've hard that Picasa can do what you want, if that's an option for you |
| 21:56.19 | dutchfish | eddieBB, run this at console: sudo xhost +localhost (then try again to start iceweasel from console) |
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| 21:56.28 | xsdg | (I have no experience with it at all, so can't say anything about it) |
| 21:56.32 | linux2 | ahh well I found a deb of geeqie but it doesn't quite do what I want |
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| 21:56.45 | dutchfish | eddieBB, as non root user |
| 21:56.50 | groton_ | how to stop a package to start at the boot? I am sick of stopping it with /etc/init.d/task stop :) |
| 21:57.10 | groton_ | s/package/a daemon started by an installed package |
| 21:57.10 | linux2 | xsdg: my file system looks like this Folder1>folder01>image / Folder1>Folder02>image |
| 21:57.17 | linux2 | if that makes any sense |
| 21:57.27 | eddieBB | dutchfish: >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 17 <<< |
| 21:57.34 | eddieBB | sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 17 |
| 21:58.14 | xsdg | linux2: what does > mean? |
| 21:58.21 | blizzow | Can anyone explain why ping www.foo.com would ping a different IP than dig www.foo.com returns? |
| 21:58.22 | xsdg | or is that just part of the filename? |
| 21:58.36 | xsdg | blizzow: does it have multiple addresses? |
| 21:58.40 | blizzow | nope. |
| 21:59.05 | dutchfish | eddieBB, add a line at the bottom in the sudoers list at /etc/sudoers yourname ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 21:59.20 | blizzow | it's a consistent behaviour, everytime I ping, it returns an ip address of a local server, but dig always returns the proper IP address. |
| 21:59.21 | dutchfish | eddieBB, youname is your loginname |
| 21:59.35 | xsdg | blizzow: something in /etc/hosts? |
| 21:59.49 | linux2 | xsdg: it is just showing how the file tree works ex: Folder1 leads to (>) Folder01 and Folder02 which lead to (>) Image01 and Image02 respectively |
| 22:00.04 | eddieBB | dutchfish: do this as root? |
| 22:00.09 | dutchfish | eddieBB, yes |
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| 22:01.23 | eddieBB | dutchfish: done |
| 22:01.43 | xsdg | linux2: I don't understand. can you stick with actual directory hierarchies for your explanation? |
| 22:01.53 | dutchfish | eddieBB, try again to run (as non root) this at console: sudo xhost +localhost (then try again to start iceweasel from console) |
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| 22:02.20 | eddieBB | dutchfish: i get the same error |
| 22:02.21 | linux2 | xsdg: well I thought this would be simple to explain but somehow it has become rather difficult |
| 22:03.08 | linux2 | xsdg: well I think I figured out some way to do it |
| 22:03.17 | linux2 | xsdg: not the best but it will do. Thanks for the info |
| 22:03.19 | xsdg | linux2: anyway, you have photos in directories, and you want to view them |
| 22:03.23 | dutchfish | eddieBB, i am running out of options, your problem is a result of installing firefox along amybe some other things going on too, have you apart from this more problems on that system, and have you checked your logs? |
| 22:03.43 | dutchfish | s/amybe/maybe |
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| 22:04.14 | eddieBB | dutchfish: no, this is my only problem. how do i check the logs? and what am should i check for? |
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| 22:07.00 | dutchfish | eddieBB, mostly problems related to gtk and starting iceweasel, check /var/log/syslog and /var/log/xorg.log (the last one on etch has dif name then lenny so i am not sure about ist exact name) |
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| 22:08.21 | dutchfish | eddieBB, also what tells dpkg -l | grep firefox ? |
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| 22:08.55 | dutchfish | eddieBB, ran as root user |
| 22:09.40 | eddieBB | dutchfish: nothing happens when i type dpkg -l | grep firefox |
| 22:09.48 | dutchfish | eddieBB, ok good |
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| 22:13.24 | eitan | I'm having trouble configuring my printer, I've already been to #cups, and no one seems to be awake there... can someone help here? |
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| 22:13.56 | eddieBB | dutchfish: it doesn't mention anything about iceweasel |
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| 22:14.46 | dutchfish | eddieBB, can you backup and then remove .mozilla/ dir from your home folder and please try again? |
| 22:14.53 | eddieBB | dutchfish: /var/log/syslog doesn't. and i cannot find the xorg.log |
| 22:16.17 | dutchfish | eddieBB, from the top of my head ist lcoated under /var/log/X11 folder or so |
| 22:16.22 | eddieBB | dutchfish: i'm not sure what you mean? |
| 22:16.50 | eitan | can anyone here help with printer configuration in debian? #cups doesn't have anyone responding |
| 22:16.52 | dutchfish | eddieBB, there should be a .mozilla dir in your /home/yourname folder |
| 22:17.21 | dutchfish | eddieBB, can you copy it to another place and then remove that folder |
| 22:17.42 | eddieBB | dutchfish: i don't see it |
| 22:18.45 | dutchfish | eddieBB, at the console (non root) ls -la .mozilla gvies anything? |
| 22:18.50 | cr3rzemjest | what's up with hanging aptitude in xterm after install? |
| 22:18.58 | cr3rzemjest | how to fix it |
| 22:19.27 | eddieBB | dutchfish: yes, it does |
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| 22:21.32 | dutchfish | eddieBB, ok, then: cp -R .mozilla /tmp/ (at non root console) |
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| 22:22.02 | eddieBB | dutchfish: done |
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| 22:22.35 | tlsarles | This might be a stupid question, who should be the owner of /var/www/ for apache/php to be able to write to it? |
| 22:22.41 | dutchfish | eddieBB, and delete it: rm -R .mozilla |
| 22:22.53 | avu | tlsarles, why should apache be able to write there? |
| 22:23.13 | eddieBB | dutchfish: try to run iceweasel now? |
| 22:23.23 | tlsarles | for joomla.... it needs to write things.... I can either chmod 777 it, or perhaps change the owner? |
| 22:23.25 | dutchfish | eddieBB, yes from the console (non-root) |
| 22:23.42 | eddieBB | dutchfish: same error |
| 22:23.50 | avu | tlsarles, only chown the single folder joomla really needs to write in |
| 22:23.55 | dutchfish | eddieBB, i am out of options |
| 22:24.01 | avu | tlsarles, like /var/www/joolmla/upload or something |
| 22:24.11 | avu | tlsarles, and the new owner should be www-data |
| 22:24.21 | avu | tlsarles, also, never never ever chmod 777 something. |
| 22:24.28 | tlsarles | It writes to several folders, but yeah, thats the idea |
| 22:24.29 | eddieBB | dutchfish: so no idea of what's going on? |
| 22:24.46 | dutchfish | eddieBB, only a hunche but not exactly |
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| 22:25.08 | tlsarles | www-data . Got it, thanks |
| 22:25.09 | [Jasper] | guys, is it possible to set quotas on directory level ? |
| 22:25.15 | eddieBB | dutchfish: which is? |
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| 22:26.19 | dutchfish | eddieBB, what does cat /etc/issue puts out? |
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| 22:26.35 | [Jasper] | guys, is it possible to set quotas on directory level ? |
| 22:26.53 | eddieBB | non root? |
| 22:27.04 | dutchfish | eddieBB, as root |
| 22:27.28 | eddieBB | dutchfish: Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 \n \l |
| 22:27.37 | dutchfish | eddieBB, ok |
| 22:28.48 | tuv | is the 2.6.25 kernel freezes a known problem? |
| 22:29.11 | dutchfish | eddieBB, can you strace iceweasel and put its output on pastebin? |
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| 22:30.06 | eddieBB | dutchfish: type strance iceweasel? |
| 22:30.26 | dutchfish | eddieBB, yes then copy the output to pastebin as before |
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| 22:31.07 | sladi | Debian installer asks if it should install Grub to Mbr. Which Mbr does it mean when I have two hdds? One has the boot-partition the other has th rest. |
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| 22:32.11 | enouf | sladi: the MBR of the disk you tell it to |
| 22:32.24 | [Jasper] | guys, is it possible to set quotas on directory level ? |
| 22:32.30 | enouf | sladi: do you already have grub installed somewhere? |
| 22:32.33 | eddieBB | dutchfish: http://pastebin.ca/1078875 |
| 22:33.48 | enouf | [Jasper]: likely easy with selinux, but disk quotas per dir? hrm .. maybe you want LVM for that?? |
| 22:34.25 | sladi | enouf: No, I ask because you have to choose NO first in order to be able to tell it which disk to install to. When you say yes it just installs without asking IIRC. |
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| 22:34.47 | dutchfish | eddieBB, what does uname -a puts out? |
| 22:35.04 | enouf | sladi: it shows something like (hd0) or (hd1) .. if it doesn't, assume it's hd0 |
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| 22:35.30 | eddieBB | dutchfish: Linux localhost 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 22:22:11 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 22:35.39 | sladi | enouf: Ok thanks. :) |
| 22:36.15 | dutchfish | eddieBB, and dpkg -l | grep libc6 ? |
| 22:36.27 | [Jasper] | soyou don't think it's possible without lvm enouf ? |
| 22:37.11 | eddieBB | dutchfish: http://pastebin.ca/1078881 |
| 22:37.29 | pipegeek | hey... any idea how to make a firewire hard drive get recognized? Plugging it in generates messages in dmesg, but no /dev/sdX. |
| 22:37.48 | enouf | sladi: you can also fill in the field, IIRC - if you are not sure, try switching to alt-f2 and run 'find /boot/grub/stage1' .. or even 'mount', or maybe 'fdisk -l' something you can use to ascertain which disk is which, your BIOS specifies the order, and grub writes a device.map file based on that, so don't be shuffling disks around after you do it ;-) |
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| 22:38.48 | sladi | enouf: I forgot about alt+f2. I'll do that. :) |
| 22:39.07 | enouf | [Jasper]: well, with LVM, you can just limit them to their home or whatever, or Volume Group, etc .. that's the (one) point of LVM, is to keep users from hogging all the Server space ;-) |
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| 22:41.48 | pipegeek | whenever I plug in (or unplug) the device, I get "firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc1, gap_count=5", but it doesn't seem to get recognized as a hdd. |
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| 22:42.20 | endra | hey, I have a dedicated server and I was assigned X ips that I can use but the box isn't configured to use them. How can I tell it to use them? |
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| 22:43.01 | newsense | pipegeek: http://wiki.linux1394.org/FrequentlyAskedQuestions#head-08e9bf03c5c1ce18c8883a3a3b2bff6a523c36f4 |
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| 22:44.01 | pipegeek | newsense: thanks for the help, but it's not an answer---the device (/dev/sdXn) isn't appearing, so there's nothing to mount. |
| 22:44.10 | tnks | If I want to automate an rsync backup over ssh, and I want to use an user account programmatically, do the keys need to be stored in /home/$USER/.ssh? There's no real human user for this account, so I was hoping to not have a home directory for it. |
| 22:44.25 | nkuttler | endra: um, man interfaces? |
| 22:44.41 | n3kl | What is a good jabber server to play with? |
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| 22:44.44 | pipegeek | wait... |
| 22:44.46 | pipegeek | thought |
| 22:44.48 | pipegeek | I had a thought |
| 22:44.50 | Daemonik | How would I go about automatically respawning a process should it be closed for example tsclient for example at an RDP kiosk? |
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| 22:45.02 | dondelelcaro | tnks: all users have a home directory |
| 22:45.17 | Pavlz | hello |
| 22:45.21 | pipegeek | nope |
| 22:45.24 | dondelelcaro | tnks: whether there's anything useful in that home directory depends on what that user is doing |
| 22:45.43 | pipegeek | didn't do it. (there was a module 'firewire-sbp2' that wasn't loaded, but loading it didn't cause the device to get recognized) |
| 22:45.44 | Pavlz | i would ask you a think |
| 22:45.46 | newsense | pipegeek: if ya need the whole page you would have seen how to create the device nodes if the driver is "loaded:" properly |
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| 22:45.49 | dutchfish | eddieBB, i think this is related to gtk-2 and the strace also shows missing dependicies, hard to solve that (at least not by me), is this a fresh installed system? |
| 22:45.52 | newsense | your decision to ignore |
| 22:46.04 | newsense | need/read |
| 22:46.07 | dondelelcaro | Daemonik: wrap it with something that respawned it; see init for an example. |
| 22:46.12 | pipegeek | newsense: I'm using udev. The device nodes should be created automatically as devices are recognized. |
| 22:46.33 | eddieBB | dutchfish: by fresh install you mean recently installed? |
| 22:46.37 | pipegeek | if they're not there, chances are the system doesn't know it's there. |
| 22:46.38 | dutchfish | eddieBB, yes |
| 22:46.42 | eddieBB | dutchfish: yes |
| 22:46.43 | Pavlz | i was interested to buy a distribution from cd vendors of http://debian.org |
| 22:46.48 | Daemonik | dondelelcaro, It's an X program. Got it now though. Thanks. |
| 22:47.07 | newsense | pipegeek: you check the udev rules and make sure they are properly setup ? |
| 22:47.13 | dutchfish | eddieBB, maybe someone else more capable then i can look at http://pastebin.ca/1078875 |
| 22:47.18 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: in general, they're created automatically, even for firewire devices. If this is a Debian kernel, you shouldn't have to do anything |
| 22:47.34 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: this is a debian kernel, and we haven't modified the udev rules. |
| 22:47.55 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: assuming it's working correctly, you should also see the partitions on the drive being detected in dmesg; if you don't, then something is pretty seriously wrong |
| 22:48.02 | Pavlz | i founded the reseller and looking the homepage i found a banner that invite people to buy the iphone |
| 22:48.17 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: I don't. So yeah, something's wrong.' |
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| 22:48.31 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: do usb devices work correctly? |
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| 22:48.32 | pipegeek | All I see is the following two lines: |
| 22:48.33 | pipegeek | firewire_core: giving up on config rom for node id ffc1 |
| 22:48.34 | pipegeek | firewire_core: phy config: card 0, new root=ffc0, gap_count=5 |
| 22:48.37 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: yes, they do. |
| 22:49.04 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: oh, that's it deciding to give up on that firewire device. Try unplugging it and plugging it back in |
| 22:49.09 | Pavlz | now the question is: debian does not combact to have free hardware with os free software ? |
| 22:49.12 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: have, repeatedly |
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| 22:49.35 | dondelelcaro | Pavlz: we have nothing to do with the vendors who sell Debian. Thost listings are just for your convenience. |
| 22:49.49 | nkuttler | Pavlz: do they sell debian cds at all? |
| 22:50.14 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: the drive itself is fine---it's also a usb drive, and mounts just fine as same |
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| 22:51.21 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: yeah, there are some odd issues recently with the firewire drivers in linux, unfortunatly; which kernel version is this? |
| 22:51.21 | pipegeek | 2.6.23 |
| 22:51.21 | Pavlz | so how is possibile this ? is contrary to the policy of debian or it they have permission to do this? Yes they sell cd to any |
| 22:51.21 | dutchfish | eddieBB, if this is a new system, i would advice to install it again (aftre backup important data) |
| 22:51.28 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: and I just tried with another identical drive, same issue. So it's not one bad controller |
| 22:51.33 | Pavlz | i would ask to debian |
| 22:51.36 | pipegeek | or, rather, it's unlikely to be |
| 22:51.46 | dutchfish | eddieBB, there is more going on under the hood then one would normally expect |
| 22:51.56 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: the full kernel package version is 2.6.23-1-amd64 |
| 22:52.22 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: try using 2.6.25 |
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| 22:52.37 | dondelelcaro | (you also may need to switch which firewire subsystem you're using) |
| 22:52.41 | dutchfish | eddieBB, i am still baffled how you did install firefox |
| 22:52.42 | dondelelcaro | (since there are two of them now) |
| 22:53.06 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: since changing kernels would be ... tricky ... right now, what is the other subsystem? |
| 22:53.13 | eddieBB | dutchfish: i'm not going to be able to do that. i have about 130GB. thanks for the effort. i really appreciate it. |
| 22:53.14 | pipegeek | dondelelcaro: thanks, by the way, for all the help |
| 22:54.00 | tnks | dondelelcaro: I get it. . . I see all the home directories with `cut -d : -f 1,6 /etc/passwd` |
| 22:54.09 | dutchfish | eddieBB, in that case try to figure out what was installed around th enormal way (the packagemanager) and reverse that then reinstall iceweasel again |
| 22:54.33 | tnks | If I don't want a traditional /home directory for a non-human user, I can set that home to another location. |
| 22:54.59 | tnks | but I guess sshd will /have/ to find the users .ssh configuration in their $HOME. |
| 22:55.01 | eddieBB | dutchfish: will do. thanks again for the help |
| 22:55.06 | endra | what is the easiest way to alias ips on an interface on reboot? |
| 22:55.11 | dutchfish | eddieBB, if the system was intact reinstalling iceweasel would have fixed it |
| 22:55.18 | dutchfish | eddieBB, good luck |
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| 22:55.59 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek: it's spb2 and iee1394, iirc. though I'd check google first, since it's been quite a while since I've bothered to look at it. |
| 22:56.14 | endra | never mind, thanks |
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| 22:56.18 | dondelelcaro | tnks: you can still have non-login accounts with home directories in /home; |
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| 22:56.22 | pipegeek | I've googled... only seeing the one |
| 22:56.25 | pipegeek | hmm |
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| 22:56.28 | dondelelcaro | tnks: as far as the ssh configuration goes, it really depends on what you're doing. |
| 22:56.54 | dutchfish | eddieBB, one last thing. did you recently di apt-get update & apt-get upgrade without errors? |
| 22:56.56 | pipegeek | and there's no .kos containing "1394" in their name |
| 22:56.58 | pipegeek | sadness |
| 22:57.01 | dutchfish | s/di/did |
| 22:57.01 | Drakeson | How do you manage for the keysigning of a package? should use something like seahorse? |
| 22:57.04 | pipegeek | thanks for everything, though... |
| 22:57.27 | eddieBB | dutchfish: yes. i did about 3 days ago. should i try again now? |
| 22:57.28 | tnks | dondelelcaro: I guess I wasn't keen on having non-login accounts with home directories. I was rather hoping to have them configured in an "etc" location. |
| 22:57.36 | dutchfish | eddieBB, yes please |
| 22:57.40 | Drakeson | Also, what should I use to build a package? is pbuilder the good way? |
| 22:58.03 | dondelelcaro | tnks: /etc is usually the wrong place; if not /home, /var/lib/foo or similar is usually the right place. |
| 22:58.37 | tnks | dondelelcaro: that's fine too, if it's precedent. |
| 22:58.58 | tnks | dondelelcaro: but if you say that /home is really better than /var/lib. . . I'm okay with that too. |
| 22:59.01 | eddieBB | dutchfish: http://pastebin.ca/1078901 |
| 22:59.09 | tnks | something just felt wrong with /home to me personally, though. |
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| 22:59.39 | dutchfish | eddieBB, so ther eis definitely more going on on that system |
| 22:59.55 | dondelelcaro | tnks: the difference between the two is really up to you |
| 23:00.06 | tnks | dondelelcaro: okay, good deal. |
| 23:00.10 | dondelelcaro | tnks: either one would be ok; there's just no intrinsic reason why /home is bad. |
| 23:00.12 | dutchfish | eddieBB, can pastebin /etc/apt/sources.list please? |
| 23:00.29 | tnks | I see that most of my system's non-login accounts use /var/lib. |
| 23:00.38 | tnks | so that makes sense for me too. |
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| 23:01.10 | eddieBB | dutchfish: http://pastebin.ca/1078904 |
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| 23:02.24 | tnks | I've never really been a sysadmin, so I have a stupid question. . . is it legal to build groups from groups? Or do users need to be specified explicitly? |
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| 23:04.02 | dutchfish | eddieBB, can you decommment lines 3 and 4 and run apt-get update && apt-get upgrade again? |
| 23:04.18 | dutchfish | eddieBB, by putting # in front |
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| 23:06.15 | doublehp_ | in which package can i find the "proxy arp" program ? |
| 23:07.08 | eddieBB | dutchfish: same multimedia error |
| 23:07.16 | dutchfish | doublehp_, shorewall-common ? |
| 23:07.57 | dutchfish | eddieBB, then import the key from the multimedia.org website as they explain |
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| 23:08.42 | dutchfish | eddieBB, http://debian-multimedia.org/faq.php#q1 |
| 23:09.32 | dutchfish | eddieBB, after rerun apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 23:09.48 | eddieBB | okay |
| 23:09.52 | tnks | hmm. . . "man 5 group" seems to indicate that /etc/group is very simple. . . groups are built of users explicitly, can't have a group of groups. |
| 23:10.09 | tnks | just makes maintenance a little more tedious. |
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| 23:11.39 | eddieBB | dutchfish: that error is gone. now i get this one. http://pastebin.ca/1078914 |
| 23:11.40 | eddieBB | dutchfish: |
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| 23:11.51 | enouf | tnks: you can play with ACLs if you like ;-) |
| 23:12.03 | dutchfish | eddieBB, the same for backports |
| 23:12.27 | dutchfish | eddieBB, http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 23:12.43 | dutchfish | eddieBB, afk 2 min |
| 23:13.00 | eddieBB | dutchfish: np |
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| 23:15.54 | eddieBB | dutchfish: all errors are gone |
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| 23:16.17 | micols | how do i update my firefox'es a-record cache?:) |
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| 23:16.53 | tnks | enouf: I hear you. . . probably more trouble than I want to get into. |
| 23:17.05 | dutchfish | eddieBB, and how many packages updated? |
| 23:17.08 | tnks | a simple /etc/group file is at least that. . . simple. |
| 23:17.25 | tnks | difficulty in maintenance can be negotiated with helper scripts. |
| 23:17.34 | dutchfish | eddieBB, can you run please iceweasel again? |
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| 23:18.05 | eddieBB | dutchfish: 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 23:18.13 | dutchfish | eddieBB, ok |
| 23:18.47 | eddieBB | dutchfish: iceweasel is still not working |
| 23:18.51 | dutchfish | eddieBB, starnge |
| 23:19.00 | dutchfish | eddieBB, strange |
| 23:19.15 | eddieBB | dutchfish: when i do "locate firefox" i get a lot of results. should i? |
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| 23:19.35 | dutchfish | eddieBB, can you explain how you did install firefox? |
| 23:19.57 | eddieBB | dutchfish: apt-get install firefox i think |
| 23:19.59 | enouf | tnks: indeed, i like simplicity ;-) |
| 23:20.03 | dutchfish | eddieBB, with pkg -i install firefox 9from a downloaded debian package) or from a trabll? |
| 23:20.32 | dutchfish | eddieBB, mmm |
| 23:20.33 | enouf | !iceweasel |
| 23:20.33 | dpkg | [iceweasel] the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 23:21.59 | dutchfish | eddieBB, try this: apt-get clean && apt-get purge iceweasel ... then apt-get install iceweasel |
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| 23:22.45 | dutchfish | eddieBB, as root that is |
| 23:22.48 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 23:22.49 | dpkg | [aptitude] now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
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| 23:23.51 | eddieBB | dutchfish: E: Invalid operation purge |
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| 23:24.12 | dutchfish | eddieBB, apt-get --purge iceweasel |
| 23:24.54 | trinux | with aptitude you only need "purge", but with apt-get you need "--purge remove" no? |
| 23:24.54 | eddieBB | dutchfish: E: Invalid operation iceweasel |
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| 23:25.38 | jescis | I get an "Unable to find a valid framebuffer" after running startx :/ |
| 23:25.42 | dutchfish | eddieBB, oops (getting tired) apt-get remove --purge iceweasel |
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| 23:27.13 | eddieBB | dutchfish: still the same |
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| 23:27.49 | dutchfish | eddieBB, you are root? |
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| 23:28.11 | eddieBB | dutchfish: when i type "iceweasel"? |
| 23:28.30 | dutchfish | eddieBB, when you run apt-get remove --purge iceweasel |
| 23:28.38 | eddieBB | dutchfish: yes |
| 23:28.44 | dutchfish | eddieBB, and then install it again |
| 23:28.52 | eddieBB | dutchfish: i did |
| 23:29.11 | dutchfish | eddieBB, running out of clues |
| 23:29.44 | abrotman | oooh .. new epiphany .. wonder if it will crash less than once a day like it currently does :) |
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| 23:30.12 | jescis | abrotman, hey |
| 23:30.19 | abrotman | hides |
| 23:30.33 | Sling | too late, we saw you |
| 23:30.35 | jescis | for why? |
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| 23:32.25 | abrotman | prefers HydraulicLobster |
| 23:33.40 | abrotman | wonders why he has epiphany-webkit and epiphany-gecko installed ... |
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| 23:33.54 | simard | !kernel source |
| 23:33.54 | dpkg | To install debian kernel source (kernel source with debian patches) run, aptitude install linux-source-2.6.18 (in etch). |
| 23:34.02 | simard | !kernel source lenny |
| 23:34.07 | abrotman | simard: need help ? |
| 23:34.41 | simard | well, I installed the linux-source-2.6.25, and I copied /boot/config-2.6.25 in /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.25 |
| 23:34.53 | simard | rm to /config |
| 23:34.58 | simard | then make |
| 23:35.04 | simard | but the kernel seems to be different |
| 23:35.05 | jescis | abrotman, you have a Nvidia GeForce FX 5200? I install debian and I can never run in X :/ I get no framebuffers :( |
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| 23:35.10 | simard | from the one I find in /boot |
| 23:35.12 | simard | (it doesnt boot hehe) |
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| 23:35.21 | abrotman | jescis: i don't own any nvidia hardware .. thank goodness |
| 23:35.28 | abrotman | jescis: i suspect you need the -legacy driver |
| 23:35.33 | jescis | hmmm |
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| 23:35.45 | abrotman | simard: did you pass the same compile options ? |
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| 23:36.12 | jescis | 5200 = legacy? o.O |
| 23:36.18 | simard | abrotman: probably not, how do I know which compile options were passed to build the kernel in /boot ? |
| 23:36.23 | Baloo | Yeah, oddly enough. |
| 23:36.24 | MasterZeik95 | a |
| 23:36.25 | MasterZeik95 | s |
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| 23:36.32 | abrotman | smooth |
| 23:36.46 | abrotman | simard: maybe check the rules file ? |
| 23:36.50 | Baloo | jescis: Odd how that works, eh? |
| 23:37.00 | abrotman | jescis: i thikn so .. not really sure |
| 23:37.01 | Sling | cats on the keyboard - getting you kicked since 1957 |
| 23:37.03 | jescis | Baloo, yeah |
| 23:37.13 | abrotman | hardly a cat |
| 23:37.21 | Baloo | My 5200fx was unexpectedly relegated to legacy status last year. |
| 23:37.32 | abrotman | unexpectedly? |
| 23:37.42 | abrotman | isn't that card like .. from 2002 ? |
| 23:38.15 | Baloo | Yes, though in the past their support has gone on for ~8 years. |
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| 23:38.55 | Baloo | There wasn't exactly an announcement that it was moving to legacy, I just thought to try it. |
| 23:39.04 | Baloo | When the mainline drivers broke. |
| 23:39.05 | takahiro | what's a good way to protect against a DDOS attack on my Debian Box? |
| 23:39.10 | simard | abrotman: what rule file ? |
| 23:39.12 | abrotman | do they actually care about their users? nope .. so why would they announce anything |
| 23:39.15 | abrotman | takahiro: tell your ISP |
| 23:39.17 | abrotman | !rules |
| 23:39.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 23:39.23 | dondelelcaro | takahiro: depends on the type of DDOS. |
| 23:39.23 | abrotman | dpkg: that was NO help |
| 23:39.24 | dpkg | abrotman: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 23:39.35 | Baloo | Hence why my next card will be ATI. |
| 23:40.04 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | Something is wrong with epiphany |
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| 23:40.14 | abrotman | apt-get source linux-image-$(uname -r) |
| 23:40.15 | takahiro | dondelelcaro: i have a Amazon EC2 instance running debian, and i installed Fail2Ban but i don't know what other measures I can take to protect against an attack and a enormous "Bandwidth Bill" from Amazon |
| 23:40.16 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | It think's it's firefox sometimes and other times it like how it used to be |
| 23:40.20 | simard | abrotman: lol |
| 23:40.29 | pipegeek | thanks again, dondelelcaro |
| 23:40.30 | abrotman | not funny ? |
| 23:40.31 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | Where would I go to submit a bug report? |
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| 23:40.34 | dondelelcaro | takahiro: uh... if someone is attacking you, then complain to amazon. |
| 23:40.37 | Sling | [01:39] <korvmacka_> Nothing but fucking idiots in this world. I spend countless months working on and developing the best Web site on the Internet, and hundreds and hundreds of fucking retarded kids bring it down. I'm going to kill myself now. End this fucking shit once and for all. FUCK THE WORLD! |
| 23:40.37 | Sling | [01:39] * korvmacka_ (i=korvmack@c-1830e155.368-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has left #Apache |
| 23:40.40 | Sling | gotta love it |
| 23:40.57 | jescis | Baloo, I switched to the card because it could do more with compiz-fusion on ubuntu >_> |
| 23:41.31 | dondelelcaro | takahiro: they're in the best place to handle bandwidth-related attacks. [If you're just serving stuff for you, you can always use iptables to not send/accept packets to anywhere that isn't destined for you.] |
| 23:41.33 | abrotman | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 23:41.35 | simard | !rules kernel |
| 23:41.39 | Baloo | jescis: the whole GL situation on X is fucked up in general these days...I'm banking on the newly open ATI spec levelling the playing field for open drivers in the near future. |
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| 23:42.12 | abrotman | takahiro: fail2ban isn't really going to do much of anything to reduce your bandwidth bill |
| 23:42.29 | jescis | Baloo, so should I switch back to the radeon 700? |
| 23:42.38 | jescis | 7000* |
| 23:42.40 | takahiro | abrotman: ah i see.. is there a way to get notified when bandwidth usage is UNUSUALLY high on the server? |
| 23:42.57 | abrotman | i have no idea how amazon manages that .. but if you're being attacked .. call them |
| 23:43.03 | tview | Baloo: having used both, you must be mad. Frankly I take my hat off to nvidia for providing good, timely drivers. A pity the debian developers decided to screw up the last kernel release to prevent the nvidia drivers installing properly. |
| 23:43.12 | abrotman | takahiro: they're far better equiped to stop taht then you are |
| 23:43.23 | takahiro | abrotman: nah, im not being attacked... i guess there's not much pre-cautionary measures i can take on my debian box then... |
| 23:43.33 | Baloo | Probably not now, no, Jescis, the r7000 was really underpowered even when it was new. the 7500 as well. Great for business use, but the GL support's really not up for gaming beyond Second Life, and possibly not even that. |
| 23:43.33 | abrotman | you just asked about a DDoS |
| 23:43.42 | Sememmon | Is there a way to get apt to install a package without installing/checking deps? I've got my own local version of java installed and don't want to use the package manager's version.. and I'd like to install an ap that depends on java via apt.. |
| 23:43.45 | takahiro | abrotman: yeah DDoS |
| 23:43.52 | abrotman | !tell Sememmon about equivs |
| 23:43.58 | abrotman | takahiro: okay .. then call them |
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| 23:43.59 | tview | does anyone know of a tool which can detect probes and print up an automatic "whois" on the source IP address? |
| 23:44.01 | abrotman | DDoS is an attack |
| 23:44.18 | Sememmon | abrotman: awesome, thanks |
| 23:44.37 | takahiro | maybe there's a way to throttle the bandwidth... |
| 23:44.52 | jescis | Baloo, But I only need gfx for internet browsing and watching videos :/ |
| 23:44.53 | Baloo | tview: No, I'm not, I consider how open the development and how they cooperate with the community to be a vital part of how well a company supports their product on Linux. A closed-source, closed-spec dictatorship is not support. |
| 23:45.14 | abrotman | takahiro: CALL AMAZON |
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| 23:45.22 | abrotman | takahiro: you're wasting your time |
| 23:45.26 | Baloo | jescis: Then the open nv driver or the open ATI drivers will be plenty fine for you. |
| 23:45.31 | tview | Baloo: ok. You are clearly religious. Frankly I laud them for supporting Linux. And the OpenGL performance is excellent as are my dual screens. |
| 23:45.35 | takahiro | lol ok |
| 23:46.06 | Baloo | tview: What's wrong with wanting your hardware drivers in main where they'll get proper support? |
| 23:46.19 | Baloo | tview: Since when is that considered religious? |
| 23:46.40 | tview | Baloo: further I dont know whats on their chips, and dont really care whats in their drivers so long as they do their job and support the latest high performance HW. Something that has been holding Linux back as a desktop system for years IMO. |
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| 23:47.02 | tview | Baloo: I consider Nvidia to provide "proper" support. They work and work well. |
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| 23:47.24 | abrotman | yeah .. because if your desktop doesn't have the best 3d .. you're a loser |
| 23:47.53 | tview | abrotman: what an ignorant thing to say. Youre not a loser if you dont need them. I do. |
| 23:48.02 | Greyscale | My god I hate this |
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| 23:48.30 | Greyscale | I need help. I have a XEN account at some place. Their debian package is fuck't. So Centos it is! And noone can tell me how to install a compiler x.x |
| 23:48.31 | tview | abrotman: in addition consider the praise heaped on compiz etc - good drivers are a boon for that in addition games and multimedia. |
| 23:48.32 | abrotman | tview: you need 3d for a desktop? for what? to play games? that doesn't affect linux on the desktop for most people |
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| 23:49.00 | tview | abrotman: its not just about 3d. its about HW on the cards too. |
| 23:49.10 | Baloo | But they don't work out of the box and they're still a pain to deal with, the Debian way only being slightly less problematic than their installer. If they were in main, there's a good chance all this would be automatic. |
| 23:49.18 | tview | I have debian as my multimedia system as well as for development. |
| 23:49.19 | Baloo | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:50.00 | tview | Baloo: As I said - its a religisou thing for you. They do cooperate. They make drivers which work and work well. All to their own I suppose. But I am happy to use their excellent drivers. |
| 23:50.30 | tview | Baloo: the debian "way" also install their binaries. |
| 23:50.43 | Ryan52 | How can I get the amount free in a LVM volume group as a non privileged user? |
| 23:50.46 | Baloo | Well, they would be excellent if they didn't cause the mysterious kernel oops that nobody will even take a bug report on. |
| 23:50.52 | Baloo | or panic, as the case may be. |
| 23:51.03 | tview | anyway, off for a game of "openarena" ... :-) |
| 23:51.29 | tview | Baloo: nothing wrong here. Installed latest nvidia-glx and works like a charm. |
| 23:51.29 | simard | abrotman: so that bot wont tell me what kernel rules are ?:) |
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| 23:51.40 | Baloo | The modules. |
| 23:51.45 | Baloo | m-a a-i |
| 23:51.49 | jescis | Baloo, btw I'm using a 37" LCD television as a monitor; and when I go to X I get the "No Signal" box :/ |
| 23:52.05 | tview | Baloo: I know. as I said I use them. They're still closed source. |
| 23:52.07 | Baloo | jescis: Sounds like your modelines aren't right. |
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| 23:52.26 | jescis | thinks I should go back to it and wait longer then a few seconds :/ |
| 23:52.31 | themill | tview: and when nvidia stops supporting your card with their closed drivers you get to (a) stop upgrading your kernel or (b) buy a new card. Great. Nice. |
| 23:52.34 | abrotman | simard: uh no .. |
| 23:52.34 | Baloo | OK, tview clearly misunderstood what I was talking about then did not wait for clarification. Luser. |
| 23:52.51 | Baloo | themill++ |
| 23:53.16 | Baloo | themill: Or use poorly supported, buggy 'legacy' drivers. |
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| 23:53.27 | themill | yay! |
| 23:53.43 | Baloo | themill: Zero excuse for nVidia's dictatorial behavior. |
| 23:53.54 | abrotman | you bought one |
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| 23:54.23 | jescis | Baloo, the configurator for X doesn't have a 13xx*768 setting :/ |
| 23:54.43 | Baloo | jescis: You'll probably have to edit your config by hand. |
| 23:55.26 | Baloo | Might consider a wishlist bug with your x server for debconf to ask about widescreen modelines. |
| 23:55.29 | jescis | hhmmm |
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| 23:56.22 | jescis | can I do it via command line? |
| 23:56.22 | seriouslycgi | i started a process by typing rtorrent & but now i cant kill the process without rebooting is there an alternative? |
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| 23:56.42 | Baloo | jescis: You have to edit the config file, though I think you can do one-time overrides calling X directly. |
| 23:57.02 | abrotman | Baloo: it's supposed to automagically detect the possible modes IIRC |
| 23:57.16 | Baloo | You'll need to know the horiz, vert resolutions and the horiz and vert refresh rates for your display to be able to configure X |
| 23:58.12 | jescis | abrotman, that's the key word "supposed" |
| 23:58.18 | dondelelcaro | jescis: you shouldn't need to configure X like that anymore. |
| 23:59.04 | dondelelcaro | jescis: if it is selecting an improper mode, than that means that either the driver is broken, or your hardware isn't broadcasting the modes it supports |
| 23:59.24 | dondelelcaro | jescis: in such cases, you just edit the configuration file manually, and input the proper set of modes and the ranges which it supports |