| 00:00.28 | Baloo | dondelelcaro: How is that different from what I said? |
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| 00:00.59 | seriouslycgi | im trying to kill a process but it wont go away! what do i do? |
| 00:01.11 | newsense | anyone got a favorite ids they can recommend |
| 00:01.34 | seriouslycgi | snort |
| 00:01.45 | dustpuppy | seriouslycgi, tried kill -9? |
| 00:01.47 | Sling | seriouslycgi : kill -9 |
| 00:01.54 | Sling | -_- |
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| 00:02.21 | seriouslycgi | thanks dustpuppy & Sling |
| 00:02.30 | Baloo | If it's a zombie and it's no longer responding to kill -9, odds are it didn't free the PID. Check top, it shouldn't be using any resources at all except a PID entry. Not much you can do at that point, but it's not affecting anything. |
| 00:02.37 | Sling | teamwork eh |
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| 00:03.13 | Baloo | If you manage to get the 50,000+ zombies it takes for it to become a problem, your uptime is either in terms of years, or you have a lot of users running very misbehaved programs, maybe even both. |
| 00:03.23 | Sling | but seriouslycgi snort should be killable just fine, you might want to look at the syslog/snortlog |
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| 00:03.34 | EugenMayer | how to enable pdf support in php under debian ? |
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| 00:03.47 | abrotman | seriouslycgi: kill the parent |
| 00:03.49 | Sling | EugenMayer : check #php |
| 00:03.51 | seriouslycgi | Sling sorry i was saying snort for ids someone asked |
| 00:04.04 | Sling | oh my bad |
| 00:04.06 | newsense | Sling: thanks think im gonna try snort |
| 00:04.07 | dustpuppy | i thought he asked about a torrent-client? |
| 00:04.22 | Sling | newsense : look at prelude as well |
| 00:04.31 | Sling | snort is just a sensor |
| 00:04.33 | seriouslycgi | im trying to get rtorrent running with rtgui but it will only work if i keep the session alive in ssh |
| 00:04.39 | newsense | gonna try idswakeup to generate false alarms too to make sure it works |
| 00:04.55 | dustpuppy | seriouslycgi, put it inside 'screen' |
| 00:05.09 | seriouslycgi | ok thats what i was forgetting |
| 00:05.16 | Sling | get libprelude,libpreludedb,prelude-manager,prelude-correlator and then you have a good ids :) |
| 00:05.25 | Sling | combined with fam/correlator and snort |
| 00:05.28 | dustpuppy | err, if by gui rtorrent means a termial gui |
| 00:05.29 | seriouslycgi | i have it so it works now it only took me 3 days |
| 00:05.31 | seriouslycgi | lol |
| 00:05.37 | Sling | snort or prelude? |
| 00:06.03 | Sling | i used snort with BASE but compared to prelude, base is really awkward |
| 00:06.48 | seriouslycgi | dustpuppy, im sorry how do i get screen to work with rtorrent? |
| 00:06.54 | newsense | so if i use prelude is using snort just overkill ? |
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| 00:07.19 | Sling | no prelude will use snort as a sensor |
| 00:07.35 | Sling | snort is a network monitoring agent, prelude interprets the alerts generated by snort |
| 00:07.47 | Sling | and stores them in a centralised database using prelude-manager |
| 00:07.51 | newsense | theyre a team lol |
| 00:07.55 | Sling | yup |
| 00:08.09 | Sling | you can have like 100 different sensors hooked up to prelude |
| 00:08.12 | dustpuppy | seriouslycgi, just start screen, you'll get a new terminal where you can launch rtorret |
| 00:08.15 | newsense | so apt-get install snort prelude-manager ? |
| 00:08.20 | Sling | or 100 snort sensors for different networks |
| 00:08.22 | seriouslycgi | ok thansk |
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| 00:08.26 | newsense | sounds good |
| 00:08.28 | dustpuppy | seriouslycgi, now you can press ctrl-a d to detach that terminal, and logout |
| 00:08.29 | seriouslycgi | thanks dustpuppy |
| 00:08.29 | Sling | uhm well its not really a breeze to install |
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| 00:08.37 | newsense | got a firewall setup but no way of monitoring |
| 00:08.39 | Sling | install them in the order i mentioned |
| 00:08.40 | dustpuppy | seriouslycgi, if you come back, you'll start "screen -r" and get the terminal back |
| 00:08.45 | Sling | and check the documentation |
| 00:08.54 | Sling | if you have any specific problems you can pm me |
| 00:08.58 | dustpuppy | seriouslycgi, screen does lots of user usefull things, be sure to check out the man-page |
| 00:09.03 | seriouslycgi | awesome !! dustpuppy |
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| 00:09.17 | seriouslycgi | thanks |
| 00:09.25 | newsense | thanks sling thats pretty cool |
| 00:09.25 | ryan-c | is sarge still getting security updates? |
| 00:09.41 | newsense | ill try not to bother ya unless its absolutely necessary |
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| 00:09.50 | newsense | off to read up |
| 00:09.58 | dustpuppy | you're welcome |
| 00:10.16 | Sling | ryan-c : if you have the security rep in the sources.list, yes |
| 00:11.26 | ryan-c | Sling: there's not been a bind update in etch, though. |
| 00:11.28 | newsense | sling should i install snort before or after prelude packages or does iit not matter ? |
| 00:11.28 | Sling | oh wait sarge |
| 00:11.34 | Sling | thats oldstable |
| 00:11.43 | Sling | security updates for that have been stopped |
| 00:11.57 | Sling | newsense : you'll have to install libprelude first |
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| 00:12.09 | Sling | since you need to compile snort with --with-prelude flags |
| 00:12.27 | newsense | ahh ok so snort src |
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| 00:12.47 | Sling | also check #snort for more info :) |
| 00:12.48 | newsense | got a url to any docs for setting this up ? |
| 00:12.52 | Sling | (i'm there as well) |
| 00:13.10 | Sling | http://www.prelude-ids.com/developpement/telechargement/index.html |
| 00:13.17 | ryan-c | Sling: Buggery. |
| 00:13.30 | Sling | well its called oldstable for a reason |
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| 00:21.33 | ryan-c | preps a sarge -> etch dist-upgrade |
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| 00:23.01 | MooseHead | ls |
| 00:23.16 | MooseHead | Hey everyone |
| 00:23.20 | hendrik123 | hi |
| 00:23.25 | hendrik123 | ls -a |
| 00:23.26 | apollo_ | yo |
| 00:23.34 | newsense | Sling: prelude is asking if i want to create a db , does the db package create a default db by default ? |
| 00:23.51 | MooseHead | can someone help me with the installation of Nvidia Driver on Debian Lenny beta 2 |
| 00:23.53 | Sling | if you answer yes to the question itll continue asking for username etc |
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| 00:24.11 | Sling | but you can also create a database manually trough your favorite database-frontend |
| 00:24.19 | Sling | and import the sql-structure |
| 00:24.45 | up365 | http://www.debian.org/News/project/2008/07/ |
| 00:24.48 | newsense | ok cool |
| 00:25.20 | hendrik123 | wich one is the best to use: yum, apt-get, dpkg :\ |
| 00:25.30 | Sling | aptitude |
| 00:25.38 | mrphreak | lol |
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| 00:26.29 | hendrik123 | what's the dirrefence between all those |
| 00:26.40 | Sling | newsense : check http://mathijs.info/prewikka with user guest and pass guest |
| 00:26.47 | abrotman | !tell hendrik123 about why aptitude |
| 00:26.48 | Sling | feeding some false data into it atm |
| 00:27.17 | newsense | Sling: think i might need to read a lot, seems a little over my head |
| 00:27.22 | newsense | not sure where to start |
| 00:27.26 | Sling | yea it took me a full day as well |
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| 00:27.31 | newsense | ill be back if i have any ?'s |
| 00:27.34 | Sling | with the help of somebody who did it before |
| 00:27.43 | Sling | check out prewikka though |
| 00:27.49 | Sling | it looks pretty :P |
| 00:27.50 | hendrik123 | !tell |
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| 00:27.53 | newsense | im gonna start there |
| 00:27.57 | benjamindees | is it just me or has the pidgin backport lost the ability to connect to myspaceIM ? |
| 00:28.17 | Sling | well prewikka is like the cherry on top, dont start there |
| 00:28.22 | Sling | but check the link i gave |
| 00:28.50 | newsense | login ? |
| 00:28.54 | Sling | guest/guest |
| 00:29.06 | newsense | ahh k |
| 00:29.12 | hendrik123 | oke abrotman, that means that apt-get, yum, dpkg are deprecated? |
| 00:29.16 | newsense | tthanks again i really appreciate it |
| 00:29.20 | abrotman | no |
| 00:29.39 | abrotman | does anyone actually use yum in debian ? |
| 00:29.49 | benjamindees | god I hope not |
| 00:29.51 | Sling | maybe some gentoo-users |
| 00:30.00 | Sling | they always make a mess of it |
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| 00:31.26 | apollo_ | its all about apt-get and ports |
| 00:31.32 | gnuSnob | does debian refuse netcat connections after a stock installation? |
| 00:31.35 | hendrik123 | to get it clear, aptitude is the replacement for apt-get |
| 00:31.45 | jescis | Baloo, I found out that 1366x768 is the highest res. for my tv/monitor |
| 00:31.46 | abrotman | for most things .. it's preferred |
| 00:31.51 | benjamindees | hendrik123, something like that |
| 00:32.31 | tview | On the subject of networks - I just replaced nm-applet with "wicd" on both my thinkpad and my main machine. It is excellent - and doesnt prompt for keyring access as a bonus. |
| 00:32.38 | abrotman | can you still use apt-get .. sure .. but you'd probably prefer aptitude in most cases |
| 00:33.10 | hendrik123 | alias apt-get='aptitude' :) |
| 00:33.41 | abrotman | uh . no |
| 00:33.42 | abrotman | bad idea |
| 00:33.59 | Sling | aptitude might use apt-get :P |
| 00:34.02 | Sling | for some fallback things |
| 00:34.23 | Baloo | jescis: Oh, cool. |
| 00:35.32 | jescis | Baloo, it is, but I only have been getting good use out of it under windoze -_- |
| 00:35.35 | abrotman | Sling: uhm .. no but apt-get can do things aptitude can't |
| 00:35.42 | hendrik123 | aptitude is easy interface for dpkg ? |
| 00:35.46 | neonlightning | i prefer to use apt-get over aptitude but if i'm not sure what i need i tend to prefer synaptic |
| 00:35.50 | Baloo | hendrik123: And apt, yes. |
| 00:36.05 | hendrik123 | oke now i get it... i'm new in linux/debian |
| 00:36.26 | jescis | I like both aptitude and apt |
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| 00:36.53 | Baloo | apt is the backend, aptitude is the frontend. |
| 00:36.57 | Baloo | They're a mated pair. |
| 00:37.12 | themill | o-0 |
| 00:37.26 | abrotman | libapt |
| 00:37.27 | jescis | But that means... :o |
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| 00:37.59 | Baloo | If you're using aptitude, you're using apt. apt-get is a different front end to apt. |
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| 00:38.38 | garotosopa | Is Thurion64 x2 in the Athlon 64 Hammer category for compiling the kernel? |
| 00:38.52 | pr0ut | anyone here is using virtualbox ? |
| 00:39.13 | jescis | I prefer to use apt-get over aptitude when I already know the package I want. |
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| 00:39.51 | garotosopa | you could always do aptitude install packagenameyoualreadyknow |
| 00:40.04 | newsense | apt-cache search with the right search string will find it for ya |
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| 00:40.51 | jescis | 'sure, but the way I do it gives them almost equal use |
| 00:41.16 | hendrik123 | i can type faster apt-get then aptitude, is that a good reason to stay with apt-get ? |
| 00:41.39 | jescis | suites me *shrugs* |
| 00:41.39 | newsense | im just set in my ways so i use apt |
| 00:41.55 | garotosopa | you have to type apt-g the TAB when you could type only apti and TAB. ha! |
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| 00:42.30 | newsense | true |
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| 00:42.33 | gnuSnob | did anyone answer my netcat question? My connection died after I asked |
| 00:42.41 | jescis | garotosopa, tabbing is for lazy people ;) |
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| 00:42.51 | nkuttler | lazy people use aliases |
| 00:42.52 | garotosopa | jescis, amem! |
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| 00:43.06 | newsense | tries aptitude for the first time to see what its all about |
| 00:43.07 | beardy | Not using the recommended tools is for stupid people. |
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| 00:43.24 | Sling | slacking isnt lazy |
| 00:43.43 | jescis | it isn't? :O |
| 00:44.01 | Sling | its a lifestyle |
| 00:44.05 | garotosopa | now that everyone is happy would you mind telling me if Thurion64 x2 fits in the Athlon 64 Hammer category for compiling the kernel so I don't have to reboot for trying it |
| 00:44.36 | beardy | Everything fits, if you have a hammer. |
| 00:45.02 | jescis | has hammer and M.C. Hammer ;) |
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| 00:46.52 | Nyle | can't touch this |
| 00:47.05 | newsense | aptitude sucks |
| 00:47.21 | hendrik123 | i hate it to |
| 00:47.30 | neonlightning | my girlfriend agrees that if i found a girl whos main form of transportation is the hammerslide it would be valid reason to leave her |
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| 00:47.54 | garotosopa | I just love the If unsure say Y/N thing in the kernel config :) |
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| 00:48.17 | PiousMinion | Is there any way to make symlinks in a chroot jail work for locations outside the jail? |
| 00:48.38 | gnuSnob | what's wrong with aptitude? |
| 00:48.50 | gnuSnob | i've just started using it.. and so far I'm impressed |
| 00:48.56 | Sling | PiousMinion : that would kinda defeat the concept of a jail |
| 00:49.13 | newsense | how do you deselect/select packages for install/uninstall |
| 00:49.17 | newsense | im use to apt |
| 00:49.30 | garotosopa | newsense, + and - |
| 00:49.30 | newsense | dont like text based gui |
| 00:49.35 | newsense | ahh |
| 00:49.47 | PiousMinion | Sling: Well, I'd really rather not have to move this massive dir into the chroot dir. I'd like for it to appear as if it was in it though. |
| 00:49.50 | newsense | ill try it again but ill always use apt |
| 00:49.50 | garotosopa | and h will be useful |
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| 00:52.18 | abrotman | !bind mount |
| 00:52.18 | dpkg | If you want to bind mount a directory somewhere else: mount -t $filesystem --bind /dev /chrooted/system/dev (for example). $filesystem is whatever FS that directory is mounted as, be it tmpfs or jfs or .... read man mount (and do /bind) for details. |
| 00:54.44 | nkuttler | newsense: you can use aptitude without gui, see tfm |
| 00:55.06 | newsense | im getting used to it |
| 00:55.20 | newsense | like dselect right |
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| 00:55.41 | gnuSnob | uses aptitude from the CLI |
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| 01:04.36 | tview | as root can I install LUKS encryption on my existing /home parition? |
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| 01:04.59 | TimothyA | I would like to receive mail on my quite barebone debian distro, how to go about doing that? |
| 01:05.22 | dondelelcaro | TimothyA: install exim, postfix, or similar. |
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| 01:05.30 | PiousMinion | abrotman: thanks again. :) |
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| 01:05.50 | TimothyA | i have installed exim |
| 01:06.05 | TimothyA | exim-4 |
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| 01:07.49 | hendrik123 | i used http://www.qmailrocks.org/install_db.htm :) step by step quide |
| 01:08.22 | TimothyA | i want to use exim :| |
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| 01:10.39 | jescis | w00t! I got X to work \o/ |
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| 01:12.35 | Sling | good then i can get to bed |
| 01:13.17 | Nyle | hey |
| 01:13.18 | Nyle | whats up |
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| 01:14.09 | Sling | Nyle : the sky |
| 01:14.26 | Nyle | you were going to bed weren't you? |
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| 01:14.32 | Nyle | get outta here ;) |
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| 01:14.34 | newsense | sling, what database do you recommend i use for a desktop, setting up prelude still |
| 01:14.34 | TimothyA | anyone? |
| 01:14.43 | Sling | desktop? |
| 01:14.48 | Nyle | !exim |
| 01:14.49 | dpkg | i guess exim is a message transfer agent developed at University of Cambridge for use on Unix systems connected to the internet. It is available under the GPL and the current version in Debian is exim4. Ask me about <exim4> <exim boot stall> <exim flush queue> <exim4gmail> or see http://www.exim.org |
| 01:14.53 | newsense | not a server |
| 01:15.00 | Nyle | oh mail program |
| 01:15.08 | TimothyA | so...what am I supposed to use then? |
| 01:15.14 | Sling | well i wouldnt reccoment putting snort/prelude on a desktop |
| 01:15.19 | Sling | but mysql works finr |
| 01:15.20 | Nyle | you want to recieve your pop3 mail or something in debian? |
| 01:15.20 | Sling | fine |
| 01:15.21 | newsense | why not ? |
| 01:15.31 | TimothyA | Nyle; or SMTP, yes |
| 01:15.32 | newsense | just trying it out |
| 01:15.39 | Sling | ok |
| 01:15.43 | Nyle | TimothyA, or are you trying to setup a mail server |
| 01:15.52 | Nyle | TimothyA, you just need a cli or gui mail client... |
| 01:15.58 | Sling | also, if you plan on using it in a production environment, make sure you flush the database once in a while |
| 01:16.03 | TimothyA | exim would be the cli mail client... |
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| 01:16.14 | Sling | because the database can get quite big and prewikka can't really handle large databases |
| 01:16.14 | TimothyA | i want people to be able to send to my server directly |
| 01:16.19 | Sling | think 100k+ records |
| 01:16.22 | newsense | Sling: accumulates lots of data ? |
| 01:16.43 | Sling | well one attack could generate thousands of alerts |
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| 01:16.48 | Sling | so if you have a 'popular' server |
| 01:16.53 | Sling | that adds up |
| 01:16.57 | tview | TimothyA: you dont need a monster like exim4 to get mail. Lookup "getmail". |
| 01:16.58 | TimothyA | so, Nyle, which one do you recommend? |
| 01:17.07 | TimothyA | tview; it came pre-installed :P |
| 01:17.25 | tview | TimothyA: and use procmail to sort it. |
| 01:17.34 | TimothyA | ... |
| 01:17.45 | TimothyA | right now, i just want something that works out of the box |
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| 01:17.59 | tview | TimothyA: getmail can be configured to use procmail which then puts your mails in different places based on filters. Its all in google. |
| 01:18.02 | newsense | Sling: i just wan to be aware of any suspicious network activity on my desktop system, any suggestions ? |
| 01:18.12 | TimothyA | tview; something right out of the box |
| 01:18.16 | tview | TimothyA: it does. But you still need to configure it for your accounts. |
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| 01:18.41 | tview | TimothyA: failing that use evolution. |
| 01:18.41 | TimothyA | because I have live stuff running on this box that uses mail functions, and I don't want to mess it up too bad |
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| 01:19.13 | tview | TimothyA: it is complicated because of the choice. YOu need to read and read. |
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| 01:19.33 | TimothyA | for as far as I would care, Iwould just write a python application that listens on a specific port |
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| 01:19.43 | TimothyA | and play tricks with the incoming mail |
| 01:20.10 | tview | TimothyA: I use Gnus which is configured to use IMAP to access my mailserver. This uses getmail and procmail via crontab to store the incoming mails in a maildir format which the imap server then serves to my machines from anywhere over the net. |
| 01:20.40 | tview | TimothyA: aha ok. Then you do need a listening server. Most of my mail is via a third party pop account. |
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| 01:20.54 | tview | TimothyA: (I use dove for the imap server) |
| 01:21.04 | TimothyA | so you're telling me to install dove? |
| 01:21.28 | tview | TimothyA: no. Only if you want to access your mail from afar via imap. I dont know if dove itself can listen for incoming mail. |
| 01:22.07 | newsense | i would like to have some type of ids on my desktop so im aware of any possible attacks, any suggestions |
| 01:22.34 | TimothyA | tview; I just want to use the 'mail' command when I SSH into my box |
| 01:22.46 | TimothyA | so i can read what mail I have |
| 01:24.12 | epsilon | I have a mouse with scroll wheel moving also to sides for right/left scrolling... any way to enable this in X? |
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| 01:35.03 | garotosopa | How do I allow user Foo to become Bar with su - bar with sudoers? |
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| 01:35.43 | jescis | Baloo, w00t! I got X to work \o/ |
| 01:36.00 | jescis | really is excited |
| 01:36.08 | neonlightning | epsilon, i've been trying to get that working for the last week |
| 01:36.18 | neonlightning | epsilon, i'm running a logitech v150 |
| 01:36.32 | Baloo | Woot |
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| 01:36.43 | epsilon | neonlightning: had any luck? |
| 01:37.12 | epsilon | google tells me to try with ZAxisMapping, but no idea which key(number) to bind... |
| 01:37.31 | neonlightning | nope closest i got was that when i cat /dev/inputs/by-*/*-event-mouse i can get output from the tilt but no luck when i set it as my device |
| 01:37.45 | neonlightning | epsilon, but first you need to get it outputting at all |
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| 01:38.11 | neonlightning | usually all you need to do is set the protocol to ExplorerPS/2 (even if its a usbmouse |
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| 01:38.36 | dondelelcaro | now adays you shouldn't have to muck with that at all |
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| 01:38.47 | neonlightning | no not usually |
| 01:39.05 | epsilon | I have a bluetooth mouse |
| 01:39.05 | benjamindees | I'm a kde guy but I give gnome a try every once in a while just to have some convincing arguments for suggesting kde to people. |
| 01:39.15 | neonlightning | but i can use it in fedora and pclinuxos(that one i had to tweak a bit to get it working) but for the life of me can't get it working in debian |
| 01:39.30 | neonlightning | epsilon, no clue how to even use a bluetooth device |
| 01:39.33 | benjamindees | what I'm wondering is, when I plug in a digital camera and gnome asks to "import photos into the photo album", where does that end up? |
| 01:39.42 | epsilon | everythings working out-of-the-box except the horizontal scrolling |
| 01:39.50 | neonlightning | same here |
| 01:40.09 | neonlightning | me its my mouse tilts (aka 7 button mouse) |
| 01:40.16 | neonlightning | i mean my mousewheel |
| 01:40.34 | pr0ut | anyone using virtualbox here ? |
| 01:41.35 | hatter | I have just installed using one of kmuto's install disks to get etch onto new hardware, is there any problem now to compile another kernel ? |
| 01:41.56 | abrotman | not if you can install build-essential and a few other bits |
| 01:43.06 | dondelelcaro | hatter: no point in bothering; just install a kernel from backports or similar. |
| 01:44.47 | epsilon | any way to display the mouse key numbers? |
| 01:45.28 | neonlightning | epsilon, xev |
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| 01:49.10 | newsense | how can i declare a variable in a shell script ? |
| 01:49.21 | abrotman | newsense: try #bash |
| 01:49.38 | newsense | ok thanks |
| 01:49.45 | newsense | howd ya know i use bash? |
| 01:49.53 | abrotman | you're a newbie? |
| 01:50.01 | newsense | €/j #bash |
| 01:50.06 | newsense | oops |
| 01:50.16 | abrotman | right :) |
| 01:50.33 | newsense | lol |
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| 01:50.42 | newsense | who doesnt right |
| 01:50.49 | newsense | bash completion rocks |
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| 01:52.05 | hatter | dondelelcaro, ah, that may fix the problem |
| 01:53.23 | hatter | it all installed find but vmware wont compile, the kmuto kernel was compiled with gcc 4.1.3 , etch default is 4.1.2 |
| 01:54.32 | abrotman | newsense: many people like zsh |
| 01:54.53 | dondelelcaro | hatter: what are you trying to build? |
| 01:55.14 | dudeman | zsh is good |
| 01:55.19 | hatter | dondelelcaro, vmware |
| 01:55.22 | hatter | dondelelcaro, vmware-server |
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| 01:56.04 | dondelelcaro | uh... we don't distribute that; vmware supports that if you've got a support contract. Otherwise, try #vmware or similar |
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| 01:56.21 | hatter | dondelelcaro, yeah, it works fine with normal debian |
| 01:56.35 | dondelelcaro | that may be, but we still don't support it here |
| 01:56.44 | hatter | dondelelcaro, yep |
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| 02:00.46 | Drakeson | Why I have two `dejavu sans' fonts at the same time? (one with foundry name dejavu the other with unknown foundry. One is anti-aliased, the other one is ugly). |
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| 02:04.53 | abrotman | i guess you know why you have two |
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| 02:08.35 | qbert | What architecture does the Freescale MPC5121e fall under? MIPS? |
| 02:08.42 | wols | PPC |
| 02:08.54 | prahal | hi my .local address are not published (they are bound to 168.192.* addres by avahi autoip) . What could be the culprit |
| 02:09.27 | prahal | It is in an internal network . No firewall though a wifi router |
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| 02:12.59 | qbert | wols: PPC.. really? hrm. okay. cool thx |
| 02:13.07 | jescis | Baloo, and all I did was use the Xserver configure and not use system FB, and capped the resolurion to 1024x768 |
| 02:15.21 | Baloo | Oh, so not getting full res, then? |
| 02:15.38 | jescis | nope :/ |
| 02:16.19 | jescis | still trying to get DirectFB installed |
| 02:16.28 | jescis | as well |
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| 02:18.38 | jescis | Baloo, untill I figure out what to do for the system FB I'm stuck with that res. :/ |
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| 02:21.28 | p3rti | hi, sometimes the nm-applet in gnome connect to a wired network later i installed gnome-network-admin.. now i remove it and if i try to connect with nm-applet it only show the wireless network |
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| 02:24.40 | prahal | p3rti, remove the entry for your wired interface from /etc/network/interfaces |
| 02:25.06 | prahal | nm only manage link not defined in network/interfaces |
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| 02:26.21 | p3rti | prahal, ok.. can i create network profiles? |
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| 02:27.16 | prahal | p3rti, not with nm . You don't need them with nm (well in most cases and other wases are not handled) |
| 02:28.02 | p3rti | prahal, mmm ok it mean that nm will connect with dhcp always |
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| 02:28.28 | prahal | p3rti, I am using 0.7 and with it you can define static |
| 02:28.43 | p3rti | ok let me try |
| 02:29.00 | prahal | though this version needs some skills to build form source |
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| 02:38.19 | k1lumin4t1 | I don't stop getting this problem on Debian Etch: "unknown error executing gpgv" |
| 02:38.26 | k1lumin4t1 | and that's whenever I try using apt |
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| 02:50.06 | simard | I used update-initramfs to create an /boot/initrd file for my custom kernel, I read that /etc/initramfs-tools/modules.conf is a list of modules that should get into the initrd image. having looked into initrd of lenny's kernel, I understand that my generated initrd doesnt contain the required modules for a successful boot |
| 02:50.39 | simard | is there a way to get update-initramfs to build an image similar to that of the original lenny kernel ? |
| 02:51.35 | simard | (in the same way that copying /boot/config-... to /usr/src/linux/.config keeps the same config) |
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| 03:06.33 | cjg | Hi, im having problems when I startx, my system hangs and I have to press reboot on the box, is there someway I can read whats going on in a log? |
| 03:06.59 | cjg | It was working before I setup my wifi then mysteriously it stops... |
| 03:07.57 | liable | check out xorg log, and ~.xsession_errors |
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| 03:10.29 | snogglethorpe | hmm so anybody have any ideas about the "don't get any linux consoles when X starts early during boot" problem I posted about earlier? |
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| 03:11.44 | snogglethorpe | oh wait, I posted that question @irc.debian.org |
| 03:14.25 | snogglethorpe | basically I installed lenny beta2 on a new machine, and during a normal boot, it very very quickly enters X (gdm etc)... that kinda works (the display is slightly messed up but that is presumably an X driver prob) |
| 03:14.34 | snogglethorpe | but -- I have no linux consoles! |
| 03:14.49 | snogglethorpe | Ctl-Alt-F1 doesn't just gives me a blank screen |
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| 03:16.55 | oc80z | Aaayye |
| 03:17.05 | oc80z | theres never enough support for powerpc users on irc |
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| 03:18.06 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: try #debianppc, or you can ask here. |
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| 03:18.25 | snogglethorpe | (continuing my quetion) the weird thing is that if booting has to do something weird like fscking the disk, it _doesn't_ switch into X so quickly, and instead waits until after all the maintenance stuff is done; in this case, I _do_ get linux consoles (as well as the X screen) |
| 03:18.25 | oc80z | i am just looking for people with powerpc success storys with debianppc |
| 03:19.31 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: it works; what more do you need to know? |
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| 03:19.58 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: that's generally indicative of a driver problem |
| 03:20.04 | oc80z | dondelelcaro, Oh, the wificard, is unsupported. |
| 03:20.12 | snogglethorpe | dondelelcaro: which driver? |
| 03:20.18 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: which wifi card? |
| 03:20.19 | snogglethorpe | dondelelcaro: the X video driver? |
| 03:20.23 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: yes. |
| 03:20.25 | oc80z | The BCM43xx |
| 03:20.30 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: it's supported. |
| 03:20.33 | oc80z | Broadcom, typical wifi extreme |
| 03:20.47 | dondelelcaro | you need firmware, but that's no big deal. |
| 03:20.55 | oc80z | and you have successfully installed the mods/drivers |
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| 03:21.01 | snogglethorpe | dondelelcaro: hmm, so any idea why it kills the linux consoles only in one case, but not the other? |
| 03:21.08 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: I wouldn't have said that it worked otherwise. |
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| 03:21.26 | oc80z | dondelelcaro, you said its Supported. |
| 03:21.44 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; you can argue with me about it all you want |
| 03:22.04 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: because the X driver hasn't loaded when the drives are being fscked. |
| 03:22.22 | k1lumin4t1 | I don't stop getting this problem on Debian Etch: "unknown error executing gpgv" |
| 03:22.23 | k1lumin4t1 | and that's whenever I try using apt |
| 03:22.31 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: it only loads when you see gdm et al. If you need to debug or otherwise deal with the problem, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 03:22.44 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: or you can log in using ssh or similar |
| 03:23.07 | snogglethorpe | dondelelcaro: why does that matter? in the "don't get killed" case, the linux consoles persist after X has started (like they should afaik) |
| 03:23.08 | oc80z | lies! |
| 03:23.08 | dondelelcaro | k1lumin4t1: what's the full output? what does which gpgv return? |
| 03:23.19 | oc80z | you use the wifi and it actually connects. |
| 03:23.25 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: yes. |
| 03:23.32 | oc80z | doubt it. |
| 03:23.38 | dondelelcaro | *shrug*; doubt it all you want |
| 03:23.45 | oc80z | how did u you go about it? |
| 03:23.59 | oc80z | Through linuxwireless.org downloaded the Legacy ones? |
| 03:24.05 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: no. |
| 03:24.18 | dondelelcaro | oc80z: you just install the firmware for bmc43xx using fwcutter, and you're done. |
| 03:24.28 | k1lumin4t1 | dondelelcaro, v |
| 03:24.39 | dondelelcaro | !tell oc80z -about b43 |
| 03:24.40 | k1lumin4t1 | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.ca/1079077 |
| 03:24.55 | oc80z | it dieent work like that |
| 03:25.52 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 03:25.52 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.], or see <xyproblem> |
| 03:26.11 | oc80z | hes lying |
| 03:26.14 | dondelelcaro | k1lumin4t1: what does 'which gpgv'; return? |
| 03:26.16 | oc80z | it never connects |
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| 03:26.25 | dondelelcaro | best of luck, oc80z. |
| 03:26.42 | k1lumin4t1 | dondelelcaro, /usr/bin/gpgv |
| 03:27.32 | dondelelcaro | k1lumin4t1: ok, looks good; what does apt-key list; output? |
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| 03:28.31 | k1lumin4t1 | dondelelcaro, http://pastebin.ca/1079081 |
| 03:29.29 | dondelelcaro | k1lumin4t1: read that output, and see if you can guess what the problem is. |
| 03:29.51 | k1lumin4t1 | dondelelcaro, heh! |
| 03:29.58 | k1lumin4t1 | dondelelcaro, my system time is not correctly set |
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| 03:31.17 | k1lumin4t1 | dondelelcaro, is it?= |
| 03:31.25 | dondelelcaro | k1lumin4t1: yes, that's correct |
| 03:31.29 | dondelelcaro | !tell k1lumin4t1 -about set the time |
| 03:31.57 | k1lumin4t1 | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 03:32.05 | k1lumin4t1 | I'm going to set up ntp |
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| 03:35.58 | wols | dondelelcaro: afaik "default way" of installing fwcutter in etch which is also described in some factoids and wikis and such doesn't work. it installs the fwcutter package which in turn tries to connect to a website to get the actual binary. that http connection 404s cause fwcutter got renamed or such, don't remember the specifics. one needs to use a special debian repo (volatile or such) |
| 03:36.35 | wols | that one has the proper fwcutter binary |
| 03:37.05 | dondelelcaro | wols: yeah, it's documented in the bcm43xx-fwcutter factoid |
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| 03:41.21 | jescis | is fbdev supported in debian? If so where can I get it or what package is it in? |
| 03:42.01 | wols | !tell jescis about search |
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| 03:42.09 | jescis | google is not all ways helpfull :/ |
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| 03:42.53 | jescis | wols, thanks. |
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| 03:56.10 | jaggz- | my printer's color-ink is out and I have to press resume (to print a black-white document) .. but cups is touchy about it and if I don't hit resume at the right time it fails to print |
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| 03:58.03 | jaggz- | this job never printed but the printer doesn't have it in it, cups doesn't see it, but I see the c000 and d000 files in the cups spool dir |
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| 03:59.54 | dondelelcaro | !targz |
| 04:00.11 | jaggz- | is cups the best thing for us to use? |
| 04:00.15 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: targz is <reply> see tgz |
| 04:00.15 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 04:01.09 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: that's what I'd recommend |
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| 04:01.37 | mosty | how can i change the slapd admin password after it has been installed? |
| 04:01.41 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: you can always requeue the job. |
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| 04:19.56 | Flexa | You are there some form of interoperability between proxy servers with ISA server to customers with debian etch work with apt-get free? |
| 04:21.09 | Flexa | whenever there is failure of authentication of customers debian etch with ISA proxy servers? Version 2000 by former signal? |
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| 04:22.37 | ootput | hi. can u guys suggest a gui frontend to any of the bluetooth (obex) utils in lenny? |
| 04:22.40 | mohadib | hello , i just updated lenny , now my nvidia kernel module will not load |
| 04:22.53 | mohadib | i tried reinstalling it , module wont load |
| 04:23.06 | mohadib | and ideas how i can fix this, short of compiling my own kernel? |
| 04:23.19 | ootput | how did you build the nvidia module? |
| 04:23.30 | dread | did you check forums.debian.net? |
| 04:23.32 | mohadib | ootput: i let the nvidia installer build it |
| 04:23.41 | mohadib | i dont have a web brower now :\ |
| 04:23.52 | ootput | was your kernel included in the updates? |
| 04:24.01 | mohadib | i did get a new kernel |
| 04:25.08 | mohadib | basically do i have to build my old kernel? |
| 04:25.17 | dread | you should still have it |
| 04:25.25 | mohadib | have what? |
| 04:25.32 | dread | your old kernel |
| 04:25.42 | mohadib | ah, i miss typed |
| 04:26.01 | mohadib | do i need to get the source of the new kernel and build it myself? |
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| 04:26.45 | wols | mohadib: no |
| 04:26.54 | mohadib | wols: what do i need to do? |
| 04:26.54 | wols | !tell mohadib about nvidia_lenny |
| 04:29.31 | snogglethorpe | wols: btw is there a way to get a list of all the things the bot knows? |
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| 04:31.29 | mohadib | wols: apt-get tells me that package is not available |
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| 04:31.34 | mohadib | im using lenny fwiw |
| 04:31.45 | mohadib | nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 04:33.22 | mohadib | do i need to use a specific repo? |
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| 04:34.15 | mohadib | think i see the problem |
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| 04:34.39 | sbk | I'm remotely helping a friend install debian -- is there a stage where one can specify that mke2fs should use badblocks to check for bad sectors? |
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| 04:39.28 | mohadib | ok, now apt is telling me it cant open file ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_lenny_non-free_source_Sources |
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| 04:39.38 | mohadib | any idea why? |
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| 04:41.44 | ootput | sbk: no |
| 04:41.53 | ootput | w/ latest installer |
| 04:42.27 | mohadib | bah |
| 04:42.29 | mohadib | anyone? |
| 04:43.14 | sbk | darn |
| 04:43.50 | sbk | ootput: ok -- well, at least I don't need to worry about prematurely jumping into a shell. |
| 04:44.06 | kvnet | mohadib: ftp:// prefix? |
| 04:44.15 | mohadib | i also get an error during apt-get update about how ftp.us.debian.org lenny/Release does not contain expected entry |
| 04:44.39 | mohadib | kvnet: it listed as http:// in source.list |
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| 04:45.04 | ootput | sources.list not intact? |
| 04:45.11 | mohadib | hmm? |
| 04:45.12 | ootput | pastebinit |
| 04:45.29 | mohadib | one moment |
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| 04:47.06 | ootput | use pastebinit in the future to reduce the length of these 'moments' ? |
| 04:47.08 | ootput | :) |
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| 04:48.40 | mohadib | its the not haveing a browser or cut and paste thats getting me |
| 04:48.57 | mohadib | http://68.35.11.181/sources.list |
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| 04:50.26 | mohadib | ootput: that look ok to you? |
| 04:52.08 | ootput | seems right, though i didn't know there was a 'restricted' |
| 04:52.25 | mohadib | i think my ubuntu using friend added that |
| 04:52.29 | mohadib | cant recall now |
| 04:52.33 | ootput | the Release file was there, just with mangled contents |
| 04:52.42 | ootput | 'Restricted' might be an ubuntu thing |
| 04:52.49 | ootput | try updating again later |
| 04:52.56 | mohadib | ok , thanks |
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| 04:53.19 | mohadib | does nvidia-grapchis-driver show up for you in apt? |
| 04:54.02 | ootput | only nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-settings (lenny) |
| 04:54.09 | mohadib | thats all i see |
| 04:54.14 | mohadib | i wonder if that factoid is bogus |
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| 04:55.42 | mohadib | should i get the kernel sources from apt-source and just compile myself? |
| 04:55.49 | mohadib | i kind of need my desktop for work :s |
| 04:57.34 | mohadib | with apt-source can i get the kernel and then just run make? |
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| 04:57.59 | mohadib | i forgot how to easily build the source from debian |
| 04:58.06 | mohadib | would i use kpkg? |
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| 05:04.51 | Lagbolt | mohadib, yeah you use dpkg-buildpackage or something i have a link hang on |
| 05:05.39 | Lagbolt | mohadib, still here? |
| 05:05.43 | mohadib | i am :) |
| 05:05.48 | mohadib | but all i have is elinks |
| 05:05.48 | Lagbolt | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ |
| 05:05.52 | mohadib | thank you :) |
| 05:06.02 | Lagbolt | go to section 6 |
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| 05:06.57 | mohadib | lol |
| 05:07.08 | mohadib | ftp.us.debian.org must be having some issues |
| 05:07.19 | mohadib | they seem to be down now :\ |
| 05:07.49 | Lagbolt | i use http.us.debian.org . . . working for me now |
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| 05:15.00 | mohadib | brb |
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| 05:18.00 | mohadib | forgot i could still boot my old kernel :) So x is working |
| 05:18.25 | mohadib | ill deal with my new kernel tomorrow, thanks for the help everyone |
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| 05:46.59 | icenine | is there a site where I can find fresher debian packages than those that are currently in etch? I need gtk+-2.10 |
| 05:47.10 | icenine | (but i'd like a cool site for future ref) |
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| 05:47.40 | intr80_ | icenine : there may be a better way, but I typically compile from source & install into my home directory when I need a version not currently available |
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| 05:47.57 | icenine | yeah.. I put stuff in /opt |
| 05:48.04 | valdyn | !bpo |
| 05:48.05 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 05:48.08 | intr80_ | lots of people do that |
| 05:48.33 | icenine | when I was an idiot I used to just mix it in with the rest of the software :D |
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| 05:48.48 | icenine | valdyn: thanks |
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| 05:49.12 | intr80_ | yea, i did that when I didn't know what I was doing. |
| 05:49.28 | intr80_ | arguably, the right thing to do is to put it into /usr/local |
| 05:49.59 | valdyn | checkinstall + /usr/local |
| 05:50.08 | intr80_ | checkinstall ? |
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| 05:50.30 | valdyn | intr80_: creates a .deb for safe and easy removal |
| 05:50.49 | intr80_ | awesome. |
| 05:50.53 | icenine | nice |
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| 06:08.18 | internat | can anyone explain to me the difference between homedir and maildir in coruier, with respect to virtual users? |
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| 06:10.48 | valdyn | !maildir |
| 06:10.49 | dpkg | a one-message-per-file mailbox format used by qmail and supported by mutt; see http://www.qmail.org/man/man5/maildir.html or k-rad, or runs you out of inodes when you have more than 60,000 mails, or Linux doesn't have 16-bit inode numbers, duh DJB's one good idea. supported by postfix, exim etc. and several final delivery / filtering programs such as maildrop and procmail as well as imap servers including courier-imap, dovecot or cyrus. |
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| 06:11.39 | valdyn | intr80_: i dont really know courier, but i guess it would use maildir for just that ^^ |
| 06:11.46 | valdyn | internat: i dont really know courier, but i guess it would use maildir for just that ^^ |
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| 06:13.00 | icenine | do ISPs usually block traceroutes? |
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| 06:13.09 | valdyn | icenine: never |
| 06:13.19 | icenine | netselect-apt just complained that it couldn't do a traceroute because I was behind a firewall |
| 06:13.26 | icenine | which I'm not, i just checked |
| 06:13.33 | Dewi | icenine: individual nodes, sure, not a whole trace |
| 06:13.41 | icenine | hmmm |
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| 06:13.52 | valdyn | icenine: traceroute uses icmp packages, like ping, isps cant block that |
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| 06:14.56 | icenine | "tselect was unable to find a mirror, this probably means that |
| 06:14.58 | icenine | you are behind a firewall and it is blocking traceroute" |
| 06:15.07 | icenine | netselect** |
| 06:15.15 | valdyn | icenine: try ping |
| 06:15.26 | icenine | ping works. |
| 06:15.30 | icenine | I bet traceroute works too |
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| 06:15.43 | icenine | yeah, I have a perfect traceroute. |
| 06:15.46 | icenine | what a mindless error |
| 06:15.54 | icenine | stupid netselect-apt |
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| 06:16.14 | Dewi | icenine: it probably actually means it couldn't get ping times from something it was trying to measure distance to |
| 06:16.33 | icenine | Dewi: hmm |
| 06:17.06 | icenine | ok, I've given in and ran it with bash -v |
| 06:17.08 | Dewi | perhaps many or all the mirrors are blocking icmp now |
| 06:17.08 | icenine | time to fix it |
| 06:17.09 | icenine | ;D |
| 06:17.13 | icenine | ooh |
| 06:17.15 | icenine | good suggestion |
| 06:17.28 | Dewi | (lots of servers block icmp these days) |
| 06:17.40 | icenine | "Running netselect to choose 1 out of 1 address" |
| 06:17.45 | icenine | sounds like I have a lot of choices |
| 06:17.57 | icenine | guesses which server is best |
| 06:20.30 | icenine | oh fudge. i just deleted my sources.list |
| 06:20.33 | icenine | ;p |
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| 06:27.24 | trampolin | I will give a candy to whoever help me kill my zombie postgre =\ |
| 06:27.42 | infotron | !zombie |
| 06:27.42 | dpkg | A zombie process is one which has issued an exit(), but whose parent has not yet issued wait() (or one of its variants) to retrieve the exit code. This usually means the parent process is buggy. You can't kill a zombie, because it's already dead; you have to kill the parent, or just ignore the zombie. |
| 06:27.58 | trampolin | or at least tell me how to unrar with folders? |
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| 06:28.20 | trampolin | can exctract all but files and the content... tried the help options but nothing seem to work |
| 06:28.33 | infotron | man unrar. I haven't used a rar file in ages |
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| 06:28.50 | trampolin | unrar has no man |
| 06:28.58 | dondelelcaro | trampolin: uh... sure it does. |
| 06:29.11 | trampolin | u execute unrar or rar directly and gives you options |
| 06:29.19 | trampolin | not mine =\ |
| 06:29.26 | trampolin | No manual entry for unrar |
| 06:29.28 | Olgem | unrar x file |
| 06:29.31 | trampolin | No manual entry for rar |
| 06:29.40 | Olgem | Download the source from rarlabs? |
| 06:29.46 | dondelelcaro | trampolin: are you actaully running Debian? What version of unrar is this? |
| 06:30.07 | dondelelcaro | (upstream doesn't distribute a manpage, but *WE* do.) |
| 06:30.09 | trampolin | Olgem: Thanks, was trying rar :) |
| 06:30.17 | Olgem | Oh good :] |
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| 06:30.47 | streuner | /usr/share/man/man1/unrar-nonfree.1.gz |
| 06:30.56 | trampolin | :o |
| 06:34.11 | streuner | Do you have vacation or such, see you help since a few hours? |
| 06:34.44 | icenine | aptitude is evil |
| 06:34.52 | streuner | heh |
| 06:34.58 | streuner | that's OT here :-) |
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| 06:35.43 | icenine | It kept overwriting my new /etc/apt/sources.list with a previous one |
| 06:35.50 | icenine | is it supposed to do that? |
| 06:35.54 | streuner | no |
| 06:36.09 | streuner | aptitude doesn't overwrite any sources.list :-) |
| 06:36.14 | snogglethorpe | icenine: it never touches sources.list afaik |
| 06:36.25 | icenine | all I know is what I just saw.. |
| 06:36.31 | icenine | I'm not sure how it happened |
| 06:36.55 | icenine | something else might be going on behind the scenes |
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| 06:37.24 | streuner | chmod the file to read-only :-) |
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| 06:37.32 | icenine | good solution |
| 06:37.34 | icenine | thank you |
| 06:38.02 | icenine | apt doesn't care if it couldn't verify a GPG key, does it? |
| 06:38.10 | icenine | it just complains, and that's it |
| 06:38.11 | icenine | ? |
| 06:38.11 | mosno | make the file immutable |
| 06:38.24 | icenine | done |
| 06:38.34 | trampolin | or mount /etc/apt in a readonly partition? |
| 06:38.49 | icenine | i was gonna strace aptitude, but I resolved it by just using apt-get |
| 06:41.42 | trampolin | ok dpkg what to you know about installing from a paralel os? |
| 06:42.08 | trampolin | ~poke |
| 06:42.15 | trampolin | !poke |
| 06:42.15 | dpkg | yeah yeah, i'm here |
| 06:42.59 | Lagbolt | poke eh. . . is there a !jab lol |
| 06:43.08 | icenine | does the -t switch in aptitude affect aptitude search ? |
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| 06:43.40 | bolt | !botsnack |
| 06:43.41 | dpkg | :), bolt |
| 06:43.49 | trampolin | !jab |
| 06:43.52 | dondelelcaro | icenine: it can; depends what you're doing. |
| 06:44.01 | dondelelcaro | if you want to play with the bot, do it in /msg |
| 06:44.32 | trampolin | my fav is !gasp |
| 06:44.59 | Lagbolt | trampolin, what is this installing from a parallel os? |
| 06:45.15 | icenine | dpkg was rude to me |
| 06:45.16 | dpkg | icenine: i don't know |
| 06:45.27 | trampolin | want to install Dbian on my lap, but im using it |
| 06:45.41 | Lagbolt | what os is on it now? |
| 06:45.48 | trampolin | and is running suse |
| 06:45.59 | Lagbolt | trampolin, do you have a partition you want to install to? |
| 06:46.05 | trampolin | yars |
| 06:46.05 | Lagbolt | or will you have to repart? |
| 06:46.13 | Lagbolt | just bootstrap |
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| 06:46.45 | Lagbolt | i have installed debian in a change root to a new partition and drive and got it up and running then rebooted into it |
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| 06:47.19 | trampolin | yeps, that want to do but never did b4 |
| 06:48.08 | trampolin | no bootstrap man >.> |
| 06:48.21 | Lagbolt | right, not sure about suse either. debootstrap in debian |
| 06:48.23 | trampolin | fuck it with suse 11 is crap |
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| 06:49.07 | trampolin | susse isn't bad, im forced to use it at work on my lap and no probs but they really messed up on 11 |
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| 06:49.30 | trampolin | so i'll secretly boot Debian :) |
| 06:49.44 | mosno | trampolin: what's wrong with 11 |
| 06:49.56 | Lagbolt | well i have only done it from debian but was pretty easy. debootstrap to the target. chroot to it. install kernel then used existing grub and booted to it then installed grub. |
| 06:50.15 | trampolin | let's say they spent too much time making it fancy to worry on making it stable :P |
| 06:50.36 | mosno | trampolin: no seriously, what's wrong with it? |
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| 06:50.43 | mosno | trampolin: i haven't used it |
| 06:50.59 | mosno | trampolin: i assume you weren't running KDE4 |
| 06:51.23 | trampolin | yeah im runing kde4 but guess what, it doesn't crash |
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| 06:51.56 | mihkel | does debian log shut down messages? |
| 06:51.56 | trampolin | actually default version crashed a lot but factory is pretty stable so far |
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| 06:55.01 | icenine | last I tried suse, i ditched it because their yum went into an infinite loop |
| 06:55.23 | mosno | icenine: actual yum, or zypper? |
| 06:55.29 | icenine | yum, i believe. |
| 06:55.39 | mosno | ok. never used yum under suse. |
| 06:55.52 | mosno | trampolin: forgetting the desktop, what is crashy about 11? |
| 06:56.07 | mosno | trampolin: did they fix yast/zypper? |
| 06:56.18 | icenine | ahh it's aka yast? |
| 06:56.21 | icenine | it might have been yast. |
| 06:56.31 | mosno | icenine: yast is a general config UI frontend |
| 06:56.40 | mosno | icenine: zypper is the "apt" of suse |
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| 06:56.54 | mosno | icenine: rpm is the "dpkg" of suse |
| 06:57.05 | trampolin | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.35 | trampolin | kernel gave me like 3 oopses at frech install, my fstab would reset every boot, half my hardware wouldn't work, x crashed, YaST crashed, missing pkgs, missing man pages as you can see |
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| 06:58.05 | trampolin | don't get me wrong, im not trilloing them, they just f*ck it up on 11 |
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| 06:59.33 | trampolin | oh, and unforgiveable: old unpatched version of postgre that crashes... or actually zombies |
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| 06:59.45 | mosno | trampolin: hrm, that sucks |
| 06:59.47 | trampolin | and apache security module crashes |
| 07:00.29 | trampolin | yeah, so I'm saying.. fk it... let's do it Debian |
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| 07:00.55 | icenine | debian linux distro #1, yes! |
| 07:01.11 | trampolin | they'll never realize I removed suse :P |
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| 07:01.48 | trampolin | although yast can be a bit addictive as crack |
| 07:01.57 | defrysk | yast sucks |
| 07:02.01 | icenine | synaptic is nice |
| 07:02.07 | icenine | if you want a gui front-end, |
| 07:02.12 | trampolin | uhm, actually yast is the only reason to use suse anyways... as far I see |
| 07:02.32 | planetxmai1 | debian will always remain the best |
| 07:02.45 | trampolin | yast is not crap, pkg management is not the only thing it does |
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| 07:02.50 | defrysk | yast is uberbloat and annoying |
| 07:02.51 | trampolin | eh... |
| 07:03.02 | planetxmai1 | as long as debian remain always non-profit they will remain the best |
| 07:03.07 | icenine | I remember manually installing 10 rpms for 1 package :( |
| 07:03.16 | trampolin | no distro is better, period. Every distro has it's place |
| 07:03.31 | icenine | no! debian linux, #1!! |
| 07:03.35 | planetxmai1 | debian is better but yes all have their place |
| 07:03.41 | trampolin | mmm |
| 07:03.41 | icenine | that's right |
| 07:03.53 | trampolin | biassed but ok |
| 07:03.58 | planetxmai1 | look at the number of debian BASed DISTROS |
| 07:04.10 | planetxmai1 | gOS, Ubuntu, so many more |
| 07:04.25 | trampolin | look at the rpm, based distros? and that is pointless anyways |
| 07:04.43 | trampolin | tw, I hate ubuntu |
| 07:04.44 | planetxmai1 | i like apt-get thats all hehe |
| 07:04.49 | icenine | Results 1 - 10 of about 860 for "rpms suck" |
| 07:04.57 | icenine | :( |
| 07:05.03 | trampolin | planetxmai1: you can use apt in suse aswell.. |
| 07:05.16 | trampolin | that means nothing |
| 07:05.22 | icenine | Results 1 - 10 of about 33 for "debs suck" |
| 07:05.32 | trampolin | Debian is Debian, suse is suse, and Ubuntu is crap |
| 07:05.41 | trampolin | I mena... Ubuntu has it's place also |
| 07:05.43 | icenine | it's an accurate linguistic measure. |
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| 07:05.55 | icenine | ;) ;) |
| 07:06.00 | planetxmai1 | rpms are overly complicated... the reason.. they tried to tie in the depenancy management ( that apt-get does ) with rpm .. unlike apt-get which seperates that by it being a front end to DPKG |
| 07:06.21 | trampolin | ok I stop here, don't like distro wars |
| 07:07.05 | planetxmai1 | even with all that RPMs never did achieve their goals.. have you ever looked at an rpm .spec file.. its a complete messs compared to the design of a .deb package layout and creation |
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| 07:07.24 | planetxmai1 | Im just saying why rpm sucks |
| 07:07.29 | icenine | windows vista! #1 windows distribution, ! just click install.exe and confirm that you wish to do so, perfect security! yes, I like! |
| 07:07.48 | planetxmai1 | Viata rules! |
| 07:08.02 | planetxmai1 | Vista |
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| 07:08.36 | planetxmai1 | I wish Microsoft ruled the world... out wait it does... hey and thanks for al the SPAM windows ( botnets + trojans ) |
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| 07:10.08 | trampolin | hey, if it weren't for IE how else would you remember there is porn? |
| 07:10.26 | trampolin | we all need random porn popups while doing work |
| 07:10.32 | mohadib | lol |
| 07:10.39 | SeJo | is there a channel for the debian-eee ? |
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| 07:11.17 | stew | SeJo: #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 07:11.27 | SeJo | stew thanks |
| 07:11.28 | icenine | I'm actually upgrading firefox so I can install or write a filter that reprimands me when I attempt to look at that. |
| 07:11.36 | trampolin | my gf used to tell me.. 'hey dude, my lappy is horny again...' |
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| 07:11.40 | icenine | that, or sends me to www.lemonparty.com |
| 07:11.46 | icenine | (DON'T GO) |
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| 07:12.21 | stew | icenine: if you have a url that people shouldn't go to, a good start would be to not put it into the channel |
| 07:12.29 | icenine | ok.. |
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| 07:12.33 | icenine | sorry |
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| 07:12.55 | trampolin | it's like the 'don't push button' Stew :P |
| 07:13.58 | icenine | omg, you just gave me a great idea |
| 07:14.10 | icenine | I can't say, but it will be on the web next week. |
| 07:14.14 | trampolin | Talking of lemmons and offtopic, don't click this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_4HZFfoz3M |
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| 07:16.18 | icenine | I have an idea for such a terrible website ;X |
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| 07:17.11 | snogglethorpe | icenine: er, just out of curiousity, what's at that URL? is it a tear-one's-eyes-out site? |
| 07:17.56 | icenine | snogglethorpe: it's down now. you really don't want to know. |
| 07:18.14 | icenine | it's almost as bad as goatse |
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| 07:18.42 | snogglethorpe | ugh |
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| 07:29.28 | jaggz- | Does God know how to keep his humans from falling off cliffs? |
| 07:29.44 | Posterdati | is there 2.6.26 in sid? |
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| 07:29.58 | jaggz- | potential wells |
| 07:30.43 | Lagbolt | hmm |
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| 07:32.30 | Lagbolt | Posterdati, i dont think so. i dont even see it listed in experimental |
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| 07:36.21 | hoxu | is there any way to get more kernel debug messages from mass storage devices? |
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| 07:39.21 | Lagbolt | hoxu, you can compile the debug option into kern |
| 07:39.22 | Lagbolt | m |
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| 07:42.42 | Posterdati | Lagbolt: ok |
| 07:43.04 | The_PHP_Jedi | Sup y'all. I'm having this repeated in my syslog for the last 1.5 hours or so :-/ http://slexy.org/view/s218Z3Afke |
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| 07:43.20 | The_PHP_Jedi | Also experiencing high CPU usage, until I kill sendmail |
| 07:44.22 | hoxu | Lagbolt, no way to do it runtime on stock kernel? |
| 07:44.35 | Lagbolt | hoxu, i am lookin, might be |
| 07:45.04 | pozic | What decides randomly that my font size for random application is set to some random value? I would expect that a font setting is remembered forever and not altered in any way unless I change it. |
| 07:45.28 | pozic | The size of a letter is about 3mm in Google Earth now. |
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| 07:45.41 | trampolin | jaggz-: God is Alpha version |
| 07:46.02 | trampolin | jaggz-: Himans are just one of the .h files |
| 07:46.09 | trampolin | *humans |
| 07:46.51 | pozic | And I don't know how to change it back to something normal. The same things happens every two weeks when I start Emacs. Sometimes a font of 21 is needed, while normally 13 is enough. It seems some weird interaction between QT and GTK+, but I don't know. |
| 07:48.43 | Knight_Lord | Is there any mp3 player as fast as xmms but with slightly more organization? |
| 07:49.28 | pozic | Knight_Lord: a front-end for mpd works well. |
| 07:50.49 | Knight_Lord | is mpd specific to a certain desktop? |
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| 07:51.34 | shefqeti | I so much hate that message "argument list too long". Why such an obsolence should be honoured and inherited ? |
| 07:52.03 | Knight_Lord | shefqeti i couldn't agree more with you |
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| 07:52.52 | pozic | shefqeti: you can write your own shell without that problem. In fact, that has already been done in several programming languages. |
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| 07:53.34 | Knight_Lord | pozic is it possible to patch bash/csh? |
| 07:53.48 | shefqeti | pozic: yea but adding "| tail -1000" and then making that repeat is just a waste of time when I do the tidy ups |
| 07:54.00 | pozic | Knight_Lord: everything is possible :) |
| 07:54.13 | shefqeti | still "argument list too long" is hated in my mind |
| 07:54.51 | trampolin | what's latest official psql version in Debian? |
| 07:54.55 | pozic | I believe the system calls also have limits. |
| 07:55.01 | mordy | i get this message when trying to compile a driver: make: *** /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/build: No such file or directory. Stop. |
| 07:55.01 | mordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:55.07 | Knight_Lord | pozic i read somewhere it was a kernel limit |
| 07:55.11 | shefqeti | pozic: I think this is more like a legacy stuff. |
| 07:55.15 | jaggz- | heh.. make -DALPHA_RACE=human -DPLANET_NAME=earth |
| 07:55.20 | pozic | The only thing you can do is to build an abstraction layer on it. |
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| 07:56.24 | pozic | shefqeti: I think so too. |
| 07:56.32 | shefqeti | Knight_Lord: I always thought it was a bash or shell limitation. |
| 07:56.39 | trampolin | oh I need to know one thing and is important... what are the cons of installing 64 bit Etch? |
| 07:57.01 | pozic | shefqeti: use a real programming language if you want to escape the limitations. |
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| 07:57.26 | Knight_Lord | shefqeti basically it boils down to the number of arguments to the exec() function |
| 07:57.34 | shefqeti | pozic: It's not about programming. that's why I'm annoied. |
| 07:57.42 | shefqeti | pozic: exim -Mg `mailq | grep frozen | awk '{ print $3 }' | head -1000` |
| 07:57.49 | pozic | shefqeti: yes, it is about programming. |
| 07:58.06 | pozic | shefqeti: bash is a programming language inferface to the machine. |
| 07:58.18 | shefqeti | pozic: having to repeat that several times is a chore. When all what I have to do is clear the frozen queue. |
| 07:58.22 | pozic | shefqeti: just one that is not suited for your purposes. |
| 07:58.49 | pozic | shefqeti: there is xargs too. |
| 07:58.54 | jaggz- | use xargs |
| 07:59.05 | pozic | jaggz-: that also has limitations. |
| 07:59.06 | jaggz- | or handle the thing in perl or something |
| 07:59.52 | pozic | I had to laugh when I encountered such a case; xargs is designed to handle large argument lists and then it doesn't work... |
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| 08:00.18 | shefqeti | pozic: jaggz-: yea that seems a viable solution. yet I'd be sooooo happy if one day I woke up and the legacy "argument list too long" is gone. I have the right to dream too, I know |
| 08:00.19 | jaggz- | why didn't it work? |
| 08:00.35 | pozic | jaggz-: too much arguments |
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| 08:01.10 | jaggz- | oh.. hmm.. I guess if you're doing something requiring a lot of args to xargs.. but otherwise the commands shouldn't be handled that way |
| 08:01.26 | pozic | shefqeti: why don't you use a real programming language? |
| 08:01.27 | trampolin | use raschall |
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| 08:02.11 | jaggz- | the point is to send the abundant arg-list as stdin.. but if you have abundant args and need a command which has even more command-line args.. well.. that's getting weird enough to code another way.. you know what, though? it's still improper. |
| 08:02.15 | pozic | trampolin: doesn't exist according to Google. |
| 08:02.33 | jaggz- | yeah.. shefqeti is right.. it's just a problem. |
| 08:02.45 | shefqeti | pozic: well it's more about system maintenance and the commands are given in the CLI. usually they work and the anoyance is when the message shows up. |
| 08:02.55 | jaggz- | pick some random program and you might need to send it a huge arg list.. oh well. :) |
| 08:03.04 | pozic | shefqeti: it's about robustness. |
| 08:03.19 | pozic | shefqeti: Anything written in Bash is going to fail someday. |
| 08:03.20 | trampolin | Visual C ftw |
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| 08:03.50 | jaggz- | is there a visual-C for X11 (say.. KDE) which works as simply as Visual Basic used to? |
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| 08:04.05 | shefqeti | pozic: I could put all that wrapped in a shell script anyhow but then again, it's in principle complicated. I don't agree with that in principle, not that there's no workaround. |
| 08:04.09 | jaggz- | or GTK.. |
| 08:04.12 | pozic | jaggz-: there is a VB Clone, yes. Commercial, IIRC. |
| 08:04.32 | jaggz- | oh.. no I like free of course. |
| 08:04.56 | pozic | jaggz-: and there is Glade. |
| 08:05.04 | pozic | jaggz-: but it's not in the same league. |
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| 08:05.14 | jaggz- | I wonder if that's really bad.. I just don't like the attachments of versions.. when I pay someone for a product it would be nice to get all future versions too. |
| 08:05.43 | trampolin | doesn't Kdevelop has a module for that? |
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| 08:06.01 | shefqeti | oh boy it's the 4th time I've given that exim frozen queue clear command. lol |
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| 08:06.02 | pozic | There is QT-designer too, IIRC. |
| 08:06.13 | trampolin | oh and komander |
| 08:06.18 | jaggz- | I sometimes want to code up some idealistic piece of neural networking software.. and it would be nice to put some simple UI on it. |
| 08:06.20 | dondelelcaro | pozic: stuff written properly in bash has been working for over a decade now... |
| 08:06.38 | dondelelcaro | it may fail some day in the future, but it's no more plastic than anything else |
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| 08:06.58 | jaggz- | everything requires maintenance.. |
| 08:07.03 | jaggz- | is there anything in this life that doesn't? |
| 08:07.15 | shefqeti | dondelelcaro: punchcards never fail |
| 08:07.19 | dondelelcaro | lots of things, actually |
| 08:07.21 | trampolin | yes, I neber fail |
| 08:07.52 | pozic | dondelelcaro: ok, let me put it differently: Bash is a language with a lot of gotchas and it is non-trivial to state before use that it won't fail. |
| 08:08.36 | shefqeti | pozic: that's true. the "argument list too long" is one of the shadows that creep in it |
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| 08:09.08 | pozic | The argument list thing is because it depends on the OS to do something it cannot do. |
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| 08:09.38 | pozic | It uses a fixed sized array and then prays it is going to work. |
| 08:09.59 | pozic | If you want unbounded sizes, you need a structure to support that. |
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| 08:10.12 | Knight_Lord | pozic it would be nice if the OS could do arbitrarily big exec calls |
| 08:10.15 | pozic | Anyway, off-topic. |
| 08:10.32 | Knight_Lord | so unfortunately it's not as simple as patching bash/csh |
| 08:10.33 | shefqeti | pozic: we're in 2008 for christ sake. 1024 entries in an argument list should have been away from the deepest roots in the kernel or anywhere it is born. |
| 08:10.35 | dondelelcaro | pozic: all of those "gotchas" are fairly trivial to deal with |
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| 08:11.30 | pozic | dondelelcaro: ok, how to deal with a co-routine pattern that needs > length argument list of arguments. |
| 08:11.33 | pozic | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 08:13.21 | pozic | And what can I do to get these stupid fonts right again? |
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| 08:13.33 | shefqeti | pozic: but then again, I have seen that hp-ux still has that limitation of 8 characters max in the username. so I guess there's even worse legacy than the "argument list too long" |
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| 08:14.00 | dondelelcaro | pozic: use arrays instead; it's not like you have to use arguments. |
| 08:14.07 | jaggz- | they could have at least made it an int like argc |
| 08:14.13 | Knight_Lord | hurd is supposed to have unlimited arguments, you can always try to change kernel ;) |
| 08:14.28 | dondelelcaro | there are certainly problems for which you *shouldn't* use bash, but that's not to say that it's automatically bad for all problem spaces |
| 08:14.55 | pozic | dondelelcaro: what do you mean? I am talking about having the Unix way of doing things, i.e. using pipes. |
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| 08:15.10 | jaggz- | the problem is that each piece of software must be coded to accept arguments in a different way (ie. stdin) instead of accepting whatever list is passed as actual arguments. |
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| 08:15.23 | dondelelcaro | pozic: we're talking about bash here; not arbitrary calls to non-bash programs |
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| 08:15.52 | iateadonut | i upgraded debian recently; now my web browser can't attach to my apache server. my apache server seems to have started, though. what could be the problem? |
| 08:16.07 | jaggz- | now.. really when you begin to tackle this issue it would be good to have multiple inputs in a program :) |
| 08:16.08 | pozic | dondelelcaro: pipe symbols are interpreted by Bash, no? |
| 08:16.26 | dondelelcaro | pozic: sure, but bash isn't where that limitation is |
| 08:16.38 | jaggz- | I might have 10 lists of files to send to the program.. so programs need --separators.. then you have to process the args so they don't start with -- or whatever.. |
| 08:16.51 | jaggz- | lispsh might be good right? |
| 08:16.57 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: uh... no, you don't have to do that. |
| 08:17.13 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: use -- if you're concerned about them being interpreted as options |
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| 08:17.22 | shefqeti | iateadonut: what do you mean "can't attach to the server" ? |
| 08:17.23 | jaggz- | no.. I mean, any way of separating lists |
| 08:17.28 | jaggz- | or giving multiple input to a program |
| 08:17.49 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: so use multiple FDs |
| 08:17.50 | jaggz- | like, what if I want to run two programs into my one program? pipes are so limited |
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| 08:18.42 | jaggz- | I know how to program, by the way, dondel.. I'm actually considering a real issue :) |
| 08:18.57 | dondelelcaro | pipes aren't the be-all end-all of shell scripting |
| 08:18.57 | pozic | dondelelcaro: yes, I suppose you are right. |
| 08:19.26 | dondelelcaro | there are things which they are useful for, and things which they are not; use the right tool for the right job |
| 08:19.34 | jaggz- | foo1 >fifo1 & foo2 >fifo2 & myprog fifo1 fifo2 |
| 08:20.05 | iateadonut | shefqeti: i mean, i can /etc/init.d/apache2 start, but when i point to 127.0.0.1 with my web browser, i get a server unavailable error. |
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| 08:20.09 | jaggz- | so, without making fifo's it would be nice if the unixland provided for this using the existing FDs |
| 08:20.12 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: surely you'd (foo && foo2)|myprog; or something? |
| 08:20.23 | jaggz- | no -- no wish to interlace |
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| 08:20.26 | jaggz- | two separate lists |
| 08:20.35 | jaggz- | or two separate inputs, whatever they are.. and without consuming stdin |
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| 08:20.35 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: uh... that's not interlacingg |
| 08:20.49 | jaggz- | oh.. && .. heh. |
| 08:20.58 | shefqeti | iateadonut: is there any process of apache2 running ? |
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| 08:21.51 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: and if they had to be separate, you do things with /dev/fd/ as appropriate |
| 08:22.39 | jaggz- | basically, here's the point: Unix philosophy is to have various programs handling various duties, but really the inter-program interfaces require detailed coding in order to implement it. That is, the inter-process communication requires either custom programming, or is otherwise limited to very simple one-input -- two-outputs. |
| 08:22.46 | naiv | Q: i have deleted /etc/apache2/sites-available/userdir.load by error, and apt-get install --reinstall nor dpkg -i recreate this file :/ |
| 08:22.46 | shefqeti | echo "no more coffee" > /proc/mind |
| 08:23.00 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: and no, it's not. |
| 08:23.05 | naiv | s/sites/mods/ |
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| 08:23.17 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: everything in unix is a file. There are way more than 3 FDs that you can open. |
| 08:23.20 | jaggz- | no.. it is.. I've been doing this for 14 years.. it is! |
| 08:23.33 | jaggz- | I know.. but then you have to make fifos and such.. because of those shell limtations |
| 08:23.43 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: it has nothing to do with the shell at all |
| 08:23.46 | jaggz- | it's not made convenient to really be handled that well |
| 08:23.51 | hatter_ | I am using usb disks as backup, which get autodetected, what is the best way to have them detected as the same /dev/sd? each time ? |
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| 08:24.22 | jaggz- | okay, let's say I want to get 50 streams of 50 programs into my one program, and have my program process and output to 100 streams? |
| 08:24.48 | iateadonut | shefqeti: i guess not. ps -A|grep apache returns nothing |
| 08:24.58 | jaggz- | that's unwieldy on the commandline anyway.. let's make that simpler.. I have 5 input streams and 6 output streams... |
| 08:25.01 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: so open 50 FDs and read 50 FDs. |
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| 08:25.14 | dondelelcaro | or open 50 sockets, and read 50 sockets, or whatever works. |
| 08:25.33 | jaggz- | so one of my input streams comes from cat, another from a grep, another from some other program, etc. |
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| 08:26.48 | shefqeti | iateadonut: See whether the server dies in startup. the apache logs or syslog messages |
| 08:26.56 | jaggz- | (cat foo & grep /var/log/whatever & echo short-list & db_dump /berkeley-db/foo.db) | myprog 1|cat 2|db_load 3|bananas |
| 08:27.31 | shefqeti | witnesses jaggz- go wild |
| 08:27.57 | jaggz- | and I mean, make all these streams available to myprog, and myprog can output as it wants to stdout1 stdout2 stdout3 (instead of being limited to stdout and stderr, or creating files or sockets.. all which require custom coding).. |
| 08:28.29 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: there's nothing magical about stdout and stderr; they're nothing more than FDs. |
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| 08:29.01 | dondelelcaro | (they happen to be FIFOs too, but it's not like you can't easily create more of them) |
| 08:29.17 | jaggz- | okay.. well I'm done.. I know things can be done with custom coding -- but that's what I'm talking about -- the unix philosophy of individual programs handling individual things really has a barrier in the inter-process communication. It IS, however, consistent with the unix philosophy of using files for everything -- but when it comes to the extremely powerful piping mechanism... the pipes are just too simple. |
| 08:29.34 | jaggz- | Every plumber knows this -- we shouldn't argue over it. ;) |
| 08:29.57 | pozic | jaggz-: how do you suggest it would work? |
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| 08:30.11 | jaggz- | "You call THAT a pipe?" -- Plumber, offended by Unix design. |
| 08:30.15 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: there's no custom coding needed, any more than is needed when you dealing with multiple inputs. |
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| 08:30.42 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: since everything is a file, you just open more files and do whatever on them that you were doing with the single input. |
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| 08:30.50 | jaggz- | I think we shouldn't have just stdout and stderr.. we should have multiple potential output streams, and multiple input streams |
| 08:30.55 | dex | how do I check which version of debian I am running? |
| 08:30.59 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: we don't just have stdout and stderr |
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| 08:31.15 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: there are three common fifos, but you can use whatever ones you want |
| 08:31.19 | jaggz- | you're right..both input and output is limited. |
| 08:31.26 | shefqeti | dex: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:31.27 | iateadonut | where are syslogs? |
| 08:31.29 | hatter_ | dex, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 08:31.34 | plundra | dex: /etc/debian_version and/or what your source.list is set to |
| 08:31.38 | plundra | +s |
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| 08:31.40 | dex | thanks |
| 08:31.46 | dex | :) |
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| 08:32.11 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: loads of things use FDs that aren't 0-3. See the --command-fd option of dpkg for a trivial example. |
| 08:32.12 | jaggz- | dondel, again, I have been coding in unix for 17 years.. I'm pretty familiar with what it has and doesn't have. |
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| 08:32.27 | pozic | jaggz-: you didn't answer my question. |
| 08:32.32 | jaggz- | hm |
| 08:33.07 | jaggz- | unix new standard should have stdin[] and stdout[] ? |
| 08:33.16 | dondelelcaro | why? |
| 08:33.29 | dondelelcaro | what does that get us that we don't already have with named fifos and FDs? |
| 08:33.43 | jaggz- | what does C get you that you can't get with ASM? |
| 08:34.01 | jaggz- | it's to make the usual environment of unix folk, the shell, be more convenient |
| 08:34.13 | jaggz- | I'm really tired of piping input to programs which require stdin but can't handle it |
| 08:34.27 | jaggz- | if the standard were different, the coding methods would also be different |
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| 08:34.40 | iateadonut | /var/log/apache2/error.log and access.log show nothing; /var/log/syslog shows nothing about apache. |
| 08:34.52 | jaggz- | placing such capabilities into the design standard *guides* people's coding mentality |
| 08:35.16 | jaggz- | right now that mentality isn't there because the guidance isn't there. |
| 08:35.16 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: I guess I still don't understand you; there's nothing stoping anyone from using arbitrary fifos or FDs; few things use them, because it rarely makes sense for things to |
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| 08:35.45 | jaggz- | but from shell you have to go through extra work to make fifos.. then remove them later.. |
| 08:35.49 | jaggz- | it means the coding just isn't done |
| 08:36.05 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: you can trivially wrap that all in a function if you want; |
| 08:36.14 | dondelelcaro | it's not a big deal |
| 08:36.20 | jaggz- | if I can do foo|bar then i am really NOT going to make a temp file.. I'd hate having to make temp files.. it's wrong anyway.. and I never really make a fifo for the purpose :) do you? |
| 08:36.28 | shefqeti | iateadonut: it doesn't show the attempt of startup ? |
| 08:36.45 | click170 | Hey has anyone ever heard of such a thing as Wake On Lan being built into the NIC board? I have a Nic here that is supposed to support WOL but theres no slot for the WOL cable. Am I missing something? |
| 08:36.49 | iateadonut | (nope.) which file? |
| 08:36.51 | pozic | jaggz-: so, you are suggesting that every program documents that it sends stream a to stdin1 and stream b to stdin2 etc.? |
| 08:36.55 | jaggz- | I should try to make fifos more often in my shell habits.. hmm |
| 08:37.14 | pozic | jaggz-: you are talking about a concatenative language basically. |
| 08:37.51 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: I guess I still don't see the problem space that you're dealing with here. What function would you use in a pipe that would take multiple different inputs in a way where they wouldn't be interleaved or concatenated? |
| 08:37.52 | shefqeti | iateadonut: I have this for example: [notice] SIGHUP received. Attempting to restart |
| 08:37.58 | iateadonut | no. |
| 08:38.10 | iateadonut | but, speaking of logs, i have a lot of these kind: write_data: write failure in writing to client 192.168.1.215. Error Connection reset by peer - for smbd |
| 08:38.11 | shefqeti | iateadonut: at error.log |
| 08:38.21 | iateadonut | ok. let me check there again. |
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| 08:39.17 | jaggz- | pozic, I'm thinking that this method of program interaction would introduce a much more advanced environment, which would induce a much different, and advanced, way of programming, more fully utilizing the unix parallel nature. |
| 08:39.32 | shefqeti | iateadonut: try a start or a restart for apache and check afterwards the logs to see whether the output was recent |
| 08:39.35 | iateadonut | no. restarted and check apache2 error.log.. |
| 08:39.39 | iateadonut | nothing. |
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| 08:40.19 | shefqeti | iateadonut: you said you upgraded apache and that's when this started ? |
| 08:40.35 | iateadonut | i did a complete upgrade. |
| 08:40.38 | jaggz- | consider my fuzzy_log_analyse program, which reads and detects the input streams and generates warnings and statistics while it's running |
| 08:40.41 | iateadonut | and then i couldn't connect, yes. |
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| 08:40.56 | iateadonut | not a dist upgrade, but an upgrade. i'm still in etch. |
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| 08:42.01 | shefqeti | iateadonut: did apache2 get an upgrade? Could it be that the new one is using it's own fresh installed conf files ? |
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| 08:42.23 | cast|lir | regarding etchnahalf, if i add the proposed updates line to my sources.list, when it is officially released will that line continue to work fine? |
| 08:42.54 | iateadonut | no, because if i unmount my /var/www, (i have my html files in a special place, down one directory in html, which is not debian standard), then the apache2 restart command complains that it can't find /var/www/html |
| 08:43.13 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: so foo_log_analyse <(blah blah blah) <(blah blah blah) |
| 08:43.48 | jaggz- | (tail -f /apache/site.com.xferlog ~2) & (cat /var/log/secure ~3) & (wget -O - ftp://secure/remote.log ~4) | fuzzy_log_analyse |
| 08:44.08 | iateadonut | maybe the easiest thing to do is to purge and reinstall. |
| 08:44.10 | jaggz- | the () are not for subshells.. just visual distinguishment for the example |
| 08:44.21 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: so fuzzy_log_analyze <(tail -f /apache/site.com.xferlog) /var/log/secure <(wget -O - ftp://secure/remote.log) |
| 08:44.41 | jaggz- | how does fuzzy_log_analyze read those? |
| 08:44.51 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: they're just files on stdin. |
| 08:44.55 | dondelelcaro | s/stdin/argv/ |
| 08:44.58 | cast|lir | another question, is there a backup program that'll detect when i've merely reorganised a file tree and consequently not do silly things like have "mv 10gb files/10gb" take up 20 GB in a incremental backup scheme [really, it could take up just a few bytes recording the move] |
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| 08:45.37 | shefqeti | iateadonut: there must be somewhere where it says why apache2 won't start. does dmesg show anything? I have mostly worked with apache1.3 so I'm not sure |
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| 08:46.14 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: apache2 may not start because of that, but that won't stop you connecting using ssh or similar. |
| 08:46.33 | jaggz- | that's not a bad way to implement it.. but isn't it just the last < the one which comes in stdin? |
| 08:46.47 | jaggz- | cat <bar1 <bar2 # Displays only bar2 |
| 08:46.53 | iateadonut | dmesg|grep apache turns up nothing. |
| 08:47.02 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: uh... the () are *NOT* optional. |
| 08:47.56 | jaggz- | iateadonut: I'm not sure what the problem is.. you're just not getting any apache log output? |
| 08:47.59 | shefqeti | iateadonut: If it doesn't hurt to purge and reinstall I think you could do that. manually save all conf files before hand, to be sure you have them for your refference. |
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| 08:48.36 | shefqeti | jaggz-: yea. basically he has no instance of apache2 running and there's no logs to show why it fails |
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| 08:50.07 | jaggz- | ohh.. process substitution! |
| 08:50.28 | shefqeti | jaggz-: i don't like the sound of it |
| 08:50.38 | jaggz- | sorry, that was a lightbulb from talking to dondel |
| 08:50.40 | Sumpen | gusy, i manually configured the ifcfg-eth0 file and now the OS wont bring it up automaticly when i boot even if the activate on boot flag is set. This is just a conf file so i shouldnt have to add it to init or something? |
| 08:50.45 | shefqeti | lol |
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| 08:51.13 | iateadonut | nothing. no apache log output. |
| 08:51.22 | iateadonut | not in syslog or in the apache2 directory. |
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| 08:51.27 | iateadonut | oop.s |
| 08:51.28 | jaggz- | okay.. and you don't see the error there.. what about apache2ctl -t ? |
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| 08:51.47 | iateadonut | just tried httpd also, didn't see anything. |
| 08:52.02 | iateadonut | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
| 08:52.03 | iateadonut | Syntax OK |
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| 08:52.36 | shefqeti | iateadonut: there must be a way to call apache2 directly the executable and not with the init.d start script. You could see and try that and check for what it says on the screen or the logfiles |
| 08:53.07 | iateadonut | ok. i'll look for the executable. |
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| 08:54.05 | iateadonut | /usr/sbin/apache2 |
| 08:54.05 | iateadonut | apache2: Could not reliably determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using 127.0.0.1 for ServerName |
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| 08:54.27 | shefqeti | iateadonut: is that a warning message or an error that makes apache terminate ? |
| 08:55.02 | iateadonut | nope. it's the one i used to see before i upgraded. |
| 08:55.15 | dondelelcaro | that's just a warning message becuase your /etc/hosts is wrong |
| 08:55.22 | iateadonut | and running the /sbin/apache2 executable does not deliver anything to the logs. |
| 08:55.35 | jaggz- | go add "hello" to the top of your apache.conf and see if apache2ctl -t fails :) |
| 08:56.40 | jaggz- | if it doesn't, it's not loading the config you think it's loading, right? (or is "hello" proper?) you can do strace /usr/sbin/apache2 2>&1 | grep open and see what it's opening.. if you don't see the config file there, grep for "stat" instead |
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| 08:57.42 | jaggz- | make that: grep 'open.*conf' |
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| 08:58.00 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: if you're not sure what's going on, run /usr/sbin/apache2 -X |
| 08:58.11 | iateadonut | Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: |
| 08:58.12 | iateadonut | Invalid command 'hello', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 08:58.21 | jaggz- | thanks again dondel! |
| 08:58.25 | MolePrince | Hi. I run a headless media/torrent server. Would it make any sense to use one NIC for WAN and one for LAN, as sometimes if I am downloading, streaming media lags very much. |
| 08:58.48 | dondelelcaro | iateadonut: though you should almost certainly have messages in your error.log telling you that the server has attempted to start. |
| 08:58.54 | ttl- | greetings |
| 08:58.55 | Sumpen | Other then the ONBOOT flag set to yes in ifcfg-eth0 what can i be missing since it wont bring up eth0 on boot? |
| 08:58.57 | pozic | MolePrince: that depends on the numbers obviously |
| 08:59.00 | iateadonut | yes. |
| 08:59.17 | MolePrince | pozic: Go on please. |
| 08:59.27 | dondelelcaro | MolePrince: generally no, unless you've got a significant uplink. |
| 08:59.43 | jaggz- | so your default logs are not set properly? there should be one single ErrorLog line outside of any per-server configurations.. by default in debian it seems to be: ErrorLog /var/log/apache2/error.log |
| 08:59.52 | iateadonut | /usr/sbin/apache2 -X runs the same thing... |
| 08:59.57 | iateadonut | ah... ok... let me check. |
| 09:00.02 | pozic | MolePrince: now is the time where you say what the capacities are of your hardware and more importantly the cap of your ISP. |
| 09:00.29 | MolePrince | dondelelcaro: Well, my internet connection is 6MB/s, however this is over a wireless g which may collide heavily. I also have a 10/100 ethernet adapter I can use for LAN. |
| 09:00.31 | jaggz- | dondel, what's -X? |
| 09:00.46 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: the manpage is your friend |
| 09:00.49 | jaggz- | iateadonut: get rid of the "hello" line! |
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| 09:00.56 | iateadonut | yes, i already have. |
| 09:00.56 | jaggz- | dondel, it's not in there |
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| 09:01.14 | jaggz- | crap, there it is.. was in apache, not apache2 |
| 09:01.17 | iateadonut | the error.log file is correctly directed in the apache.conf |
| 09:01.18 | dondelelcaro | jaggz-: sure it is: -X Run apache2 in debug mode. Only one worker will be started and the server will not detach from the console. |
| 09:01.29 | jaggz- | my apologies.. going to go read more on process substitution |
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| 09:02.25 | ttl- | i have a big time problem with evolution! |
| 09:02.50 | ttl- | all my mail are shuffled |
| 09:02.53 | iateadonut | i think genesis confirms it. read your bible agian. |
| 09:02.59 | iateadonut | oh... the mail program. |
| 09:03.16 | jaggz- | I was using apache because we had to stick with 1.3.x for mod_gzip since we were getting too many errors (4 years ago) from users whenever mod_deflate was in, and I couldn't get its compression ratios as low as mod_gzip. Recent tests a few months ago show similar compression ratios, but we're still at apache 1.3 until we have time to try out 2 on our visitors. |
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| 09:05.00 | ttl- | this morning i upgraded to 2.22.3.1 |
| 09:05.15 | ttl- | and no all my mails are shuffled |
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| 09:05.51 | ttl- | I get a different mail / subject line |
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| 09:06.08 | stmaher | Hello everyone |
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| 09:06.31 | jaggz- | how can evolution exist across planets? that is.. how can this system itself stabilize itself through evolutionary laws such that, say, we become smart enough not to annihilate ourselves with nuclear powers. For instance, you know it takes some effort to create a nuclear bomb. Why does it take so much effort? If it were easier.. just enough that it required some advanced human intelligence (like making glass, sandwiching it betwe |
| 09:06.34 | stmaher | if log files are written out to utf-8 and it contains chinese char encodings.. is there a way to view the log file properly? |
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| 09:07.10 | jaggz- | stmaher, I've no experience with how apache handles that. Are you dealing with weblogs? |
| 09:07.31 | ootput | ot: are any of you familiar with the smspup service? I'm at the points page, and there appears to be no links for me to click on to proceed. |
| 09:07.41 | stmaher | no propriatary software |
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| 09:08.26 | jaggz- | how is it written in utf-8 but containing chinese char encodings? |
| 09:08.37 | MolePrince | dondelelcaro: Do you see any issue with those, or is it more likely a bottleneck with CPU or hard disk that streaming music lags when downloading? |
| 09:08.51 | pozic | jaggz-: wrong channel? |
| 09:08.53 | jaggz- | that is, are you saying it's mixed utf-8 and, say, big5? |
| 09:08.59 | jaggz- | let's take this to debian-offtopic |
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| 09:10.32 | iateadonut | my boss won't let me go in debian-offtopic |
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| 09:10.43 | liable | hmm, for the second time, my hostname file has gone missing |
| 09:11.27 | Sumpen | iateadonut, maybe its becuase you ate his donut ^^ |
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| 09:12.47 | stmaher | jaggz-, sorry the logs are in some other format.. but I believe we need UTF-8 to view the log files properly with chinese encodings.. |
| 09:13.14 | stmaher | jaggz-, im not chinese and currently do not have a log file with chinese encodings in it.. but just wondering how it could be done.. |
| 09:13.22 | stmaher | jaggz-, someone suggested to use iconv.. |
| 09:13.49 | jaggz- | utf-8 handles chinese characters already. if your terminal is set to support utf-8 encoding and you are using a utf-8-capable font then you should be fine. |
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| 09:14.01 | mafm | hi |
| 09:14.11 | iateadonut | stmaher - i missed the beginning of the conversation. |
| 09:14.21 | iateadonut | i know a lot about chinese characters and encoding, though. |
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| 09:14.48 | stmaher | iateadonut, Hello there.. |
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| 09:15.16 | idimmu | does anyone have any good suggestions for repo managers that i can replace mini-dinstall with |
| 09:15.21 | idimmu | as it sucks cock quite frankly |
| 09:15.39 | stmaher | iateadonut, Our log files for our software is written out in some char encoding that some pparts are not readable by some editors.. I think we need to view it in UTF-8 |
| 09:15.51 | iateadonut | oh. |
| 09:16.05 | iateadonut | leafpad usually detects pretty well. |
| 09:16.17 | stmaher | iateadonut, is it possible to convert the logs to UTF-8 afterwards so that they can be read.. |
| 09:16.22 | jaggz- | iateadonut: oh good! I have big5 and gb2312 visitors who had problems accessing their section of my site when I set the page to UTF-8 and put the form into accept-encoding=utf-8. Why don't these Chinese visitors like UTF-8? I don't believe I found a single browser which accepted big5/gb2312 and did not list utf-8 as well. |
| 09:16.24 | stmaher | iateadonut, someone suggested iconv |
| 09:16.29 | Sysctl__ | hey folks, just had to compile sqlrelay from source, because of problems with the deb package. I finished compiling it, but one of the tools is complaining it can't find "sh: sqlr-listener: command not found". Make put those files in /usr/local/firstworks/bin . Do I need to add some sort of envionment path to it? |
| 09:16.50 | idimmu | you need to configure your path to that directory |
| 09:16.57 | idimmu | or symlink to somewhere that is in your path |
| 09:17.05 | Sysctl__ | what is my path? |
| 09:17.06 | iateadonut | yes, but for iconv, you need to know the files encoding to start with. |
| 09:17.07 | Trewas | MolePrince: if torrents are really running at 6MB/s, hard disk may well be the bottleneck... while that does not sound so much compared to maximum hd speeds, torrents cause very many seeks which slows the hd much |
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| 09:17.12 | jaggz- | as far as I can tell, you don't yet have a problem. utf8 handles chinese fine if you're viewing chinese encoded in UTF8. |
| 09:17.20 | icenine | so there's nothing in backports for gtk 2.10 ? |
| 09:17.25 | stmaher | iateadonut, Ok.. do you know of an application that can do that? |
| 09:17.38 | icenine | meaning, to install ffox 3 I will need to compile, all of gtk's deps? |
| 09:18.13 | taddis | Hi, I've got a question regarding debians bind9 package. If you have etch main and security etch/updates main and have 9.3.4-2etch3 installed. Will one be safe from the latest DNS vulnerability? |
| 09:18.15 | jaggz- | you can use iconv.. I've used it and it works fine. You can also use Perl's character detection module Encode::Guess |
| 09:18.27 | iateadonut | jaggz, do you have this at the beginning of each page: <META http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf8"> |
| 09:18.36 | iateadonut | and a link to download firefox since ie is so screwy? |
| 09:18.37 | jaggz- | perl also has Text::Iconv .. should we do this in offtopic though? |
| 09:18.46 | iateadonut | iconv should be fine. |
| 09:18.54 | stmaher | iateadonut, thank you very much |
| 09:18.59 | iateadonut | open it up with leafpad, save to check the file encoding. |
| 09:19.43 | MolePrince | Trewas: Well, 6Mb/s is theoretical max ISP download speed and raw downloads I've done close to that, so it may be hd speed like you say. It does run mirrored RAID so slower for that. |
| 09:19.58 | iateadonut | then do iconv -c -f UTF8 -t BIG5 -o atest-big5.csv atest.csv |
| 09:20.11 | iateadonut | or whatever you're doing. |
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| 09:21.03 | Trewas | MolePrince: well if it only 6Mb/s, that shouldn't be a problem for HD... you said 6MB/s previously |
| 09:21.14 | MolePrince | Trewas: My apologies. :) |
| 09:21.17 | stmaher | iateadonut, once again thank you VERY much for your help! |
| 09:21.28 | jaggz- | there's a python script for character detection too |
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| 09:21.37 | keviN08 | hi |
| 09:21.48 | keviN08 | "/usr/lib/libfuse.so.2: version `FUSE_2.6' not found" How can i fix this under etch? |
| 09:22.00 | jaggz- | http://chardet.feedparser.org/ |
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| 09:22.52 | Trewas | MolePrince: from experience, torrenting at 10MB/s (with 100mbit ethernet) makes everything hitting disk quite slow :) |
| 09:23.06 | iateadonut | it's ok. |
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| 09:28.11 | tapas | hi, how can i check whether a filesystem is already mounted? |
| 09:28.19 | mafm | mount :) |
| 09:28.27 | tapas | or better: |
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| 09:28.42 | tapas | how can i make sure a filesystem is not mounted twice to the same mountpoint? |
| 09:28.57 | mafm | in a script? |
| 09:28.59 | tapas | i would have expected mount to complain when trying to do this |
| 09:29.00 | tapas | yep |
| 09:29.10 | idimmu | just check before you mount it? |
| 09:29.16 | idimmu | how often do you mount things? |
| 09:29.35 | tapas | if it works correctly, then not very often |
| 09:29.53 | tapas | i had a dim memory of mount complaining when mounting a fs again as long as it's in fstab |
| 09:29.59 | idimmu | just df -h first |
| 09:30.06 | idimmu | look at it (with your eyes) |
| 09:30.14 | tapas | idimmu: it's about a script |
| 09:30.19 | idimmu | o |
| 09:30.20 | mafm | I don't know if there's some more elegant way to do that |
| 09:30.21 | idimmu | scripts suck |
| 09:30.26 | mafm | but you can try this: |
| 09:30.41 | tapas | idimmu: thanks for {0 |
| 09:30.45 | tapas | ops |
| 09:30.47 | tapas | idimmu: thanks for {0} |
| 09:30.52 | Knight_Lord | I'm trying to use sonata but I cannot seem to be able to add songs |
| 09:30.54 | tapas | [which is the empty set ;)] |
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| 09:30.58 | Knight_Lord | Can anyone help me? |
| 09:31.08 | idimmu | T=`df -h | grep <device>` ; if [$T neq ''] mounty stuff rest of script rar rar rar |
| 09:31.32 | tapas | idimmu: yeah, i guess it comes down to some text processing like this.. |
| 09:31.52 | tapas | idimmu: which is of course error prone.. |
| 09:31.55 | tapas | but oh well.. |
| 09:31.59 | idimmu | that is hardly the end of the world |
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| 09:32.02 | mafm | $ mount | grep /proc >/dev/null; echo $? |
| 09:32.02 | mafm | 0 |
| 09:32.17 | mafm | when grep doesn't find things, it echoes 1 |
| 09:33.06 | tapas | hmm |
| 09:33.13 | joltcan | no, it will always echo the output, being 0 or 1. Use || instead of ; |
| 09:33.33 | jaggz- | really? || |
| 09:33.58 | joltcan | ||Â means that if grep does not succed, echo $? |
| 09:33.59 | mafm | :P |
| 09:34.00 | jaggz- | will $? block until the last command has terminated? |
| 09:34.02 | mafm | it was an example |
| 09:34.06 | mafm | $ mount 2>&1| grep /proc >/dev/null || echo "mount it" |
| 09:34.08 | jaggz- | foo || echo $? |
| 09:34.13 | mafm | $ mount 2>&1| grep /doesntexist >/dev/null || echo "mount it" |
| 09:34.13 | mafm | mount it |
| 09:34.13 | jaggz- | oh.. n/m |
| 09:34.19 | mafm | (this is the right one) |
| 09:34.25 | tapas | if mount | grep /vol/xcf/lib/; then echo foo; else echo bar; fi |
| 09:34.29 | jaggz- | man.. I'm just going to stop talking for now.. take it easy. |
| 09:34.54 | jaggz- | thanks dondel |
| 09:34.55 | idimmu | i think mafm's right |
| 09:34.56 | tapas | ooops |
| 09:34.56 | mafm | lol |
| 09:35.07 | tapas | mine suxors.. |
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| 09:35.19 | mafm | http://rafb.net/p/BU1vYz29.html |
| 09:35.20 | idimmu | echo $ will echo what the last processed returned |
| 09:35.23 | idimmu | being grep |
| 09:35.25 | mafm | pastebins for the win! |
| 09:35.26 | idimmu | and a 1 or 0 |
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| 09:36.22 | mafm | the one of "echo $?" it's because it tells you the exit code of the last command, so it's useful to know when you can connect commands with && or || depending on that :) |
| 09:36.49 | idimmu | ya |
| 09:37.06 | iateadonut | so, the answer to my problem is purge install, right? |
| 09:37.07 | mafm | (but at least an option in mount to complain when you mount it several times could be handy, I guess) |
| 09:38.01 | mafm | what was it again iateadonut? |
| 09:38.06 | idimmu | if a script is doing the mounting |
| 09:38.12 | idimmu | you've got lots of chances for fuck ups |
| 09:38.16 | idimmu | what if it fails to mount? |
| 09:38.24 | idimmu | and you just write oodles of data to the disk and fill it up? |
| 09:38.45 | idimmu | even whacking the mount lines in /etc/fstab and scripting mount -a could suck |
| 09:38.52 | idimmu | just test by hand |
| 09:39.04 | idimmu | youd still have to test the output of mount anyway to make sure its mounted |
| 09:39.08 | joltcan | idimmu: Then make a script that is run instead of a oneliner, Then you can use mount /proc || echo "mount did not work" ; exit 1 |
| 09:39.14 | idimmu | yeah |
| 09:39.21 | mafm | you can also check the exit code of last mounted command :D |
| 09:39.25 | mafm | mount* |
| 09:39.32 | idimmu | you still have to script it :) |
| 09:39.34 | tapas | hmm |
| 09:39.42 | joltcan | or just use $$ or || instead of checking $? all the time |
| 09:39.45 | idimmu | so adding loads of crap to mount is kind of dumb |
| 09:39.48 | mafm | idimmu: I guess that you don't work in a datacenter, do you? :P |
| 09:39.52 | idimmu | i do |
| 09:40.02 | idimmu | but i script things |
| 09:40.13 | idimmu | rather than expect every tool to check for what *i* need |
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| 09:40.22 | mafm | joltcan: && (not $$) |
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| 09:40.38 | joltcan | yeha, that was a typo |
| 09:40.56 | mafm | idimmu: oh, I was asumming that it's what tapas was trying to do :D |
| 09:41.07 | joltcan | $$Â is nice for echoing processes though :) |
| 09:41.47 | idimmu | id probably `df -h | grep <device> | wc -l` anyway to find exactly how many times it is mounted |
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| 09:43.34 | themill | Using the output of mount would be better than df. Using df will block on trying to find out how much free space there is on nfs shares etc. |
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| 09:44.58 | idimmu | true that |
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| 09:46.20 | Tapout | backing up... /etc,/home,/var,/root .. missing anything? |
| 09:46.52 | themill | Tapout: /usr/local if you use it |
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| 09:49.51 | Tapout | oh right |
| 09:49.52 | Tapout | thx |
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| 09:55.39 | themill | Tapout: oh, and /usr/src if you've got useful stuff in there |
| 09:56.55 | tview | When I remove a self compiled kernel from /boot whats the best way to update grub? |
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| 09:58.38 | ledet | tview: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:59.09 | tview | that is the best way? Is it more reliable than "update-grub"? |
| 09:59.56 | icenine | does the flash 10 beta plugin fix the chewing up of mem/cpu on youtube videos? |
| 10:00.26 | ledet | tview: no... but it all depends on what your configuration is... "best way" is hard to define and depends on a lot of things |
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| 10:01.46 | tview | but update-grub will remove sections where there are no images anymore? Just to be sure to be sure. |
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| 10:04.22 | icenine | hmm, it seems a little better. it could just be me though. |
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| 10:07.36 | snitko | give me a hint please, where should I be looking, if I want to prevent daemon from starting at boot time? I read the manual and seems, that I need to remove all links to init.d scripts from /etc/rcN.d dirs. Isn't it a mess a bit? |
| 10:08.35 | cydork | snitko: check man update-rc.d |
| 10:08.51 | snitko | ok, thnx |
| 10:08.53 | cydork | snitko: or check out rcconf package |
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| 10:10.40 | zafy | hi all, I'm trying to easy_install something in etch using easy_install-2.5 but I'm getting the follwing error : http://pastebin.com/m2688e514 |
| 10:11.27 | liable | easy_install? where did that come from? |
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| 10:12.47 | Nazz | it's from py-setuptools |
| 10:13.27 | liable | oh |
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| 10:15.00 | dante_2core | snitko, rc-update.d |
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| 10:15.05 | pippijn | hi all |
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| 10:15.17 | pippijn | my mplayer seems not to have any codecs anymore |
| 10:15.19 | pippijn | what happened to them? |
| 10:15.31 | Nazz | zafy: what happens when you try only easy_install |
| 10:15.42 | Nazz | that's an obscure error |
| 10:15.48 | dante_2core | snitko, update-rc.d, sorry. |
| 10:16.06 | pippijn | actually |
| 10:16.08 | snitko | dante_2core, yep, thnx, already reading the man |
| 10:16.18 | dante_2core | snitko, oh cool, np, gl |
| 10:16.42 | nkuttler | pippijn: how about reinstalling them? |
| 10:16.49 | pippijn | nkuttler: I just installed the system |
| 10:16.57 | pippijn | I installed debian etch yesterday |
| 10:17.03 | nkuttler | pippijn: so? |
| 10:17.05 | zafy | Nazz, never mind I figured it out |
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| 10:17.17 | pippijn | nkuttler: I installed mplayer 6 minutes ago |
| 10:17.37 | pippijn | nkuttler: what are you talking about? what would you suggest I reinstall? |
| 10:17.47 | nkuttler | pippijn: w32codecs |
| 10:17.52 | pippijn | that is not there |
| 10:17.56 | liable | pippijn: did you install w32codecs? |
| 10:17.56 | dante_2core | 64bit? |
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| 10:18.04 | pippijn | 64 bit, yes |
| 10:18.10 | dante_2core | if you are on 64bit there's no w32codecs |
| 10:18.17 | pippijn | there is w64codecs |
| 10:18.17 | liable | i dont think they do those for 64 |
| 10:18.22 | dante_2core | LOL |
| 10:18.25 | pippijn | liable: it used to work :-\ |
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| 10:18.37 | pippijn | a few weeks ago, I had lenny |
| 10:18.41 | jelly | pippijn: it worked 5 minutes ago and stopped? |
| 10:18.42 | nkuttler | pippijn: so install those codecs... |
| 10:18.43 | pippijn | and it worked back then |
| 10:19.05 | dante_2core | d'uh, why did I not think about that earlier -.- |
| 10:19.08 | liable | the lenny package isnt the etch package |
| 10:19.12 | Trewas | w32codecs are pretty much irrelevant anyway, mplayer can decode almost everything with the open source codecs which are included |
| 10:19.17 | pippijn | liable: it stopped working on lenny |
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| 10:19.22 | pippijn | liable: then I reinstalled |
| 10:19.26 | pippijn | with etch |
| 10:19.28 | jelly | pippijn: are you using mplayer from debian, or the one from d-m? |
| 10:19.31 | pippijn | and here it doesn't work either |
| 10:19.33 | pippijn | jelly: d-m |
| 10:19.45 | jelly | pippijn: how does it not work? |
| 10:19.48 | shefqeti | Is zebra routing package available in Debian? Searching the debian site shows no results. |
| 10:20.04 | pippijn | jelly: http://xinutec.org/~pippijn/files/txt/778f6c3d1e2209a708970223bf63aac9.txt |
| 10:20.44 | dutchfish | i have noticed that udev is using the old convention for rtc. the new convention should be rtc_cmos, changing that and adding a local.rules file made it work again. Did anyone with latest 2.6.25 or 2.6.26 on x64 noticed the same or does for them rtc still work (depending on your chipset, mine is one of the latest INTEL)? |
| 10:20.47 | pippijn | (this is a different error than a few days ago on lenny) |
| 10:20.59 | pippijn | on lenny, it said "I don't have a codec for format 0xHEXNUMBER" |
| 10:21.33 | nkuttler | pippijn: it crashes, nothing about missing codecs |
| 10:21.39 | pippijn | yeah.. |
| 10:21.49 | pippijn | I don't have the missing codecs error anymore |
| 10:22.00 | jelly | pippijn: it looks like you have extra stuff in your config file, tried removing it? |
| 10:22.12 | pippijn | jelly: yes, I tried that |
| 10:22.15 | dante_2core | backup the file first |
| 10:22.26 | pippijn | I renamed ~/.mplayer to ~/.mplayer.bak |
| 10:22.35 | jelly | pippijn: s3fb output driver, for example. You have no X running |
| 10:22.36 | jelly | ? |
| 10:22.37 | Trewas | pippijn: maybe try with -vo x11? it seems to be using some weird vo |
| 10:22.43 | dante_2core | mmh no audio stream found - looks like the playback is not rly working anyway |
| 10:22.46 | pippijn | Trewas: works o.o |
| 10:22.56 | pippijn | dante_2core: that video has no sound |
| 10:22.57 | dante_2core | XD |
| 10:22.58 | pippijn | let me try another one |
| 10:23.01 | dante_2core | pippijn, oh I see :D |
| 10:23.01 | pippijn | with sound |
| 10:23.03 | pippijn | and mpeg |
| 10:23.13 | pippijn | something proprietary :< |
| 10:23.27 | snitko | sudo update-rc.d ssh stop 16 1 2 3 4 5 . # is that correct, or NN should be 84 for stop? |
| 10:23.44 | jelly | pippijn: it also could be the crap options are in global mplayer.conf |
| 10:23.45 | pippijn | works.. |
| 10:23.50 | pippijn | jelly: oh |
| 10:24.03 | jelly | pippijn: /etc/mplayer/ somewhere |
| 10:24.16 | pippijn | jelly: it has nothing.. |
| 10:24.21 | pippijn | except ao=alsa and font stuff |
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| 10:25.00 | ttl- | I have a strange problem with evolution 2.22.3.1, the messages in the message list are not in sync with the messages in the preview pane or opened message |
| 10:25.02 | nkuttler | snitko: NN just determines when it's run. totally depends on your other scripts |
| 10:25.11 | jelly | pippijn: well it IS reading them from somewhere... you could use strace -eopen mplayer ... to figure out which files it opens |
| 10:25.43 | jelly | pippijn: I doubt s3fb is the new default vo. :-) |
| 10:25.45 | dutchfish | my segfaulting of mplayer is gone after fixing /dev/rtc |
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| 10:25.59 | masus | hi all how to cat all users that are in a group named mygroup in linux can anybody help ? |
| 10:26.03 | jelly | dutchfish: fixing? |
| 10:26.08 | ttl- | I get another message in the preview pan than the one that is highlighted in the message list |
| 10:26.13 | dutchfish | jelly, i have noticed that udev is using the old convention for rtc. the new convention should be rtc_cmos, changing that and adding a local.rules file made it work again. Did anyone with latest 2.6.25 or 2.6.26 on x64 noticed the same or does for them rtc still work (depending on your chipset, mine is one of the latest INTEL)? |
| 10:26.15 | DawnLight | hello folks |
| 10:26.20 | ttl- | pane* |
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| 10:26.31 | snitko | nkuttler: I got it, so I guess who gives a damn about NN in K links, if I want ssh disabled, right? |
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| 10:26.54 | dutchfish | jelly, and more programs are depending on it |
| 10:26.54 | nkuttler | snitko: well, probably makes sense to run it before the networking stops |
| 10:26.55 | b52 | hey |
| 10:27.06 | b52 | someone got a nice howto for building deb packages? |
| 10:27.12 | DawnLight | masus: 'grep mygroup /etc/group' |
| 10:27.20 | masus | DawnLight: Thank u |
| 10:27.23 | snitko | nkuttler: I don't have S files for ssh, it never even starts |
| 10:27.25 | jelly | dutchfish: filed a bug for udev yet? It could just be doing what kernel asked it to... |
| 10:27.43 | dutchfish | jelly, just google on mplayer and /dev/rtc i was not th eonly one ;) |
| 10:28.04 | jelly | dutchfish: that doesn't answer my question though |
| 10:28.08 | nkuttler | snitko: why stop it then? |
| 10:28.09 | snitko | nkuttler: unless manually ) yep, you right. before networking probably would be better ) |
| 10:28.46 | dutchfish | jelly, not checked yet but: http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.bugs.dist/browse_thread/thread/e170aa801ac06006 |
| 10:29.29 | dutchfish | jelly, ill delve into it, and file it if neccesary |
| 10:29.37 | snitko | nkuttler: well, it's written in update-rc.d man, that if one wants to disable service, it's no good to just remove links from rcN.d dirs, but remove S links and create K links instead |
| 10:29.56 | dutchfish | jelly, however i am not sure if my cure is appropriate for all chipsets i could only test a few, hence my question |
| 10:30.51 | snitko | nkuttler: man example of disabling service: update-rc.d -f foobar remove; update-rc.d foobar stop 20 2 3 4 5 . # that's what I did |
| 10:30.53 | dutchfish | jelly, also 2.6.26 is not in debian yet? |
| 10:31.04 | jelly | no idea |
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| 10:31.27 | jelly | dutchfish: it's only 2-3 days old, isn't it |
| 10:31.45 | dutchfish | jelly, nah, something about more then 1 week |
| 10:32.18 | dutchfish | jelly, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux%2Fkernel%2Fgit%2Ftorvalds%2Flinux-2.6.git;a=summary |
| 10:32.19 | jelly | dutchfish: I'm sure the kernel packaging team will welcome your efforts! |
| 10:32.34 | jelly | </sarcasm> |
| 10:32.51 | dutchfish | jelly, there or ~20 more minors, as soon as it hits SID i will file |
| 10:33.06 | dutchfish | jelly, :) |
| 10:33.12 | nkuttler | snitko: sounds good to me. i just use rcconf though |
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| 10:33.42 | dutchfish | jelly, most of them are related to building and kvm/virtio |
| 10:33.48 | snitko | what's rcconf? ) |
| 10:34.22 | nkuttler | snitko: update-rc.d frontend |
| 10:34.23 | dutchfish | jelly, got it now all working with 0 errors |
| 10:34.38 | dutchfish | jelly, on lenny x64 that is |
| 10:35.02 | jelly | is staying away from 64bit |
| 10:35.31 | dutchfish | jelly, cold water fear? ;) |
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| 10:35.49 | jelly | I just want things to work |
| 10:36.11 | jelly | thinking of going back to XP for the desktop |
| 10:36.16 | dutchfish | jelly, yes, i am impressed about the stability and performance what i have now |
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| 10:36.50 | shefqeti | does 64bit really have an edge over 32bit? I mean, is it worth the switch and what can be a killer aspect to go from 32 to 64 ? |
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| 10:37.05 | dutchfish | shefqeti, not yet |
| 10:37.16 | dutchfish | shefqeti, its a work in progress |
| 10:38.29 | dutchfish | shefqeti, if you want to test things, go ahead, we are getting there, but if you want all the bells and whistles it can be disapointing atm, but it has some sped improvement on latest hardware |
| 10:38.31 | shefqeti | dutchfish: I have read somewhere that while there might be good aspects to data manipulation in 64bit, they say pointers become huge and addressing becomes a sort of a dark matter resource eater. |
| 10:38.55 | shefqeti | dutchfish: this is all what I've read around and can't tell how acurate it was |
| 10:39.10 | dutchfish | shefqeti, most of those pointer issues are improved in 2.6.26 by now |
| 10:39.20 | shefqeti | dutchfish: i see |
| 10:39.43 | dutchfish | shefqeti, 2.6.24 -- 2.6.25 was choking on it, yes |
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| 10:40.50 | dutchfish | shefqeti, but you can follow the kernel changelogs and see for your self |
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| 10:41.26 | pippijn | jelly: was having lunch |
| 10:41.57 | pippijn | it opens: /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf, /home/pippijn/.mplayer/config, /home/pippijn/.mplayer/codecs.conf, /etc/mplayer/codecs.conf, /home/pippijn/.mplayer/input.conf, /etc/mplayer/input.conf |
| 10:42.04 | pippijn | none of those has vo=<something> |
| 10:42.11 | dutchfish | shefqeti, if you want i can send you my hardware tests |
| 10:42.21 | pippijn | but |
| 10:42.32 | pippijn | I don't really care, I added vo=x11 to .mplayer/config |
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| 10:44.58 | shefqeti | dutchfish: well actually I can wait for more results. there's nothing in a hurry, it's more an intellectual aproach on what's to benefit from 64bit |
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| 10:45.36 | Trewas | pippijn: btw vo=xv is much better if it works... x11 is a safe bet and that's why I mentioned it |
| 10:45.44 | shefqeti | dutchfish: everything I have to deal with is 32bit |
| 10:45.45 | mordy | why aren't my ip settings showing up in ifconfig for my wlan0 despite me entering the proper settings in network/interfaces and ifdown/ifup and ifconfig <>down/up? |
| 10:45.49 | pippijn | Trewas: ah |
| 10:46.21 | mordy | (and consequentially, i am unable to ping anything, although dmsg reports no errors or anything like that) |
| 10:46.36 | pippijn | Trewas: yes, vo=xv works |
| 10:46.53 | liable | mordy: paste the relevant files and utput |
| 10:47.00 | mordy | ok |
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| 10:47.14 | liable | mordy: you got debian installed in the end? what was the hangup? |
| 10:47.34 | dutchfish | shefqeti, i think atm both 32/64 arches have no clear benefit except 32 is better astablished while 64 has a small benefit on performance/virtualisation, but things are rapidly improving, think also about RT, ll-desktops etc |
| 10:47.44 | liable | mordy: ifconfig, iwconfig, and route output please |
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| 10:48.31 | mordy | nothing in route |
| 10:48.36 | mordy | but let me paste it |
| 10:48.43 | liable | okie |
| 10:48.43 | mordy | liable - yes - i got it installed |
| 10:48.49 | shefqeti | dutchfish: I understand |
| 10:48.51 | dutchfish | shefqeti, for number crunching 64 is atm with latest kernel the winner ahnds down |
| 10:48.58 | mordy | the problem was a hidden and unnamed partition on the target disk |
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| 10:49.06 | dutchfish | s/ahnds/hands |
| 10:49.14 | liable | mordy: ah, so the dd fixed it? |
| 10:49.17 | mordy | zeroing the target disk worked |
| 10:49.21 | mordy | liable - yes |
| 10:49.39 | liable | mordy: good work :) i like it when people persist and win |
| 10:49.57 | mordy | me too liable :p maybe i'll write a howto on that |
| 10:50.08 | shefqeti | dutchfish: my primary usage would be bind9, email, ftp and web. I guess 32bit is good to go in my cases. |
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| 10:51.19 | mordy | !paste |
| 10:51.20 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 10:52.04 | dutchfish | shefqeti, if you dont have bleeding edge hardware go 32bit, for newer machines you could seriously consider 64 bit, LAMP does great on it already, with spam filtering i would perfer 64bit, not for bind nor mail pure sang |
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| 10:52.06 | mordy | liable - http://paste.debian.net/12177/ |
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| 10:52.53 | shefqeti | dutchfish: I see. makes sense |
| 10:53.00 | mordy | hmm... encryptionkey off - is that supposed to say that if i'm using wpa? |
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| 10:53.25 | dutchfish | shefqeti, if you think of it mail is also alot disk io, wait till ext4 get ready for that |
| 10:53.28 | liable | mordy: paste your interfaces file |
| 10:53.48 | liable | mordy: you likely have two auto ifaces |
| 10:53.57 | liable | and possibly other broken shit |
| 10:53.57 | mordy | liable - yes |
| 10:54.07 | mordy | is that a nono? |
| 10:54.20 | shefqeti | dutchfish: indeed. disk i/o is the main issue in some cases when it comes to performance |
| 10:54.26 | liable | mordy: yes. you cant use two ifaces at once |
| 10:54.28 | dutchfish | shefqeti, if you are doing kvm/xen then do dom-0 64bit and the geusts 32 bit |
| 10:54.52 | liable | mordy: theres an 'allow-hotplug' stanza for that now, or packages like ifplugd |
| 10:55.09 | mordy | liable - but same problem when i ifdown and ifconfig <..> down with my eth0 |
| 10:55.13 | dutchfish | shefqeti, thats a win/win combo |
| 10:55.23 | shefqeti | dutchfish: oh really? a dom0 64bit does better than a 32bit dom0 with domU 32bit? |
| 10:55.31 | dutchfish | shefqeti, yes |
| 10:55.42 | liable | mordy: paste the file just so i can do a gross error check |
| 10:55.47 | mordy | ok |
| 10:55.49 | dutchfish | shefqeti, specially xen |
| 10:56.25 | mordy | hmm.. was wrong - no two auto ifaces |
| 10:56.32 | mordy | liable http://paste.debian.net/12178/ |
| 10:56.39 | shefqeti | dutchfish: it's xen I was thinking. I have some small xen puppies doing like 10 netdomains each. And the vm-s have 64M of ram. lovely :D |
| 10:57.14 | liable | mordy: but you have ethernet plugged in, which is the same as two auto |
| 10:57.15 | dutchfish | shefqeti, if that are lamp puppies you could consider 64bit as well already |
| 10:57.30 | mordy | liable - now - but when i remove the plug i get the same problem |
| 10:57.33 | dutchfish | shefqeti, or wait till lenny gets stable |
| 10:57.51 | liable | mordy: ifdown eth0, unplug it, and restart networking. |
| 10:58.02 | mordy | liable - how do i restart it? |
| 10:58.09 | liable | mordy: you might need to make sure all ifaces are down before you restart it |
| 10:58.24 | dutchfish | shefqeti, i aslo expect great things from kvm, atm i am testing it with 64/64 setups, great, really |
| 10:58.31 | liable | mordy: /etc/init.d/networking stop .. then start |
| 10:59.05 | dutchfish | shefqeti, but xen still wins on performance specially write not on reads anymore, there kvm wins handsdown |
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| 10:59.25 | mordy | liable - working - thanks |
| 10:59.35 | liable | cool |
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| 11:00.09 | mordy | liable - i was under the impression something had to be restarted, but didn't know what and how |
| 11:00.27 | mordy | liable - this is a fresh new driver for the rtl8187SE |
| 11:00.54 | mordy | maybe i'll upload it somewhere - took a while to find it - or maybe i'll tell dpkg about it |
| 11:01.01 | liable | mordy: is that realtek or ralink? |
| 11:01.11 | mordy | realtek |
| 11:01.12 | shefqeti | dutchfish: I haven't had any experience with kvm. But yea, I think to check it out once lenny gets stable. |
| 11:01.27 | MasterCJ | So I got my hands on an old HP box, I'd like to install debian-hppa on it but it's failing before it even gets to install. Anyone knowledgable on the hppa front? |
| 11:01.37 | dutchfish | shefqeti, you should really make some test setup with it, it will be nextgen vt |
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| 11:02.11 | brahmana | I am using Woody (Don't ask me why I am in stone age!! -- Can't help). |
| 11:02.29 | dutchfish | shefqeti, after all its nicely integrated in the kernel ... |
| 11:02.29 | brahmana | I am trying to upgrade glibc to libc6 v2.3.6 |
| 11:02.58 | brahmana | When I try to install that one, the package wants to remove e2fsprogs!!! and the system says it can't remove that one. |
| 11:03.04 | dutchfish | shefqeti, atm i use kvm only on the desktop for all kinds of testing, its better then anything |
| 11:03.04 | liable | MasterCJ: try the debian-boot mailing list. or maybe theres a #debian-hppa |
| 11:03.08 | shefqeti | dutchfish: exactly that's what literature around praises a lot. it's kernel integration which leads to very few overhead |
| 11:03.18 | liable | MasterCJ: the mailing list is prolly your best bet |
| 11:03.32 | MasterCJ | liable: cool, i'll check it out |
| 11:03.41 | brahmana | Why would libc package want to remove e2fsprogs??!! and even if it is required and sane why is the system not able to remove it?? |
| 11:03.46 | dutchfish | shefqeti, but kvm is not there yet, virtio needs completion first, alot has been done in latest kernel (2.6.26) |
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| 11:04.40 | dutchfish | shefqeti, xen is also a bit integrated in the latest kernel, so its a neck-a-neck race atm no clear winner except for diskwrites (there xen still chokes) |
| 11:05.13 | dutchfish | shefqeti, but efforts are going on to let xen make good use of virtio also |
| 11:05.14 | shefqeti | dutchfish: I can't do much testing with latest releases though. Mainly they ask things to start working yesterday and I have to squeeze testing in between. And I hate that because that's when they bug you the most |
| 11:05.15 | shefqeti | :p |
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| 11:05.36 | dutchfish | shefqeti, yeh, i know ;) |
| 11:05.37 | ttl- | There seems to be a nasty bug in evolution 2.22.3.1-1 - http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=213072 |
| 11:06.20 | shefqeti | okies. I'm out for lunch. And a beer too, if not two :D |
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| 11:06.53 | dutchfish | shefqeti, well kvm setuo in lenny (when you have build latest kernel apropriate) takes just a few minutes |
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| 11:07.16 | dutchfish | shefqeti, really easy |
| 11:07.24 | ttl- | the guys from #evolution on irc.gnome.org told me it is fixed in trunk |
| 11:07.57 | shefqeti | dutchfish: you've given me quite a lot of information indeed. After all there are things like these that have me start a certain direction towards doing things |
| 11:08.26 | dutchfish | shefqeti, well, if you stuck somewhere you know where to ask ;) |
| 11:08.50 | dutchfish | shefqeti, also you can ask ##xen |
| 11:08.54 | shefqeti | dutchfish: yeap, thanks for that. I'll try to keep bugging between human limits if I can. :D |
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| 11:10.06 | shefqeti | out to lunch now. later all. |
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| 11:34.15 | pbn | Hi there. Just after doing aptitude upgrade on a Debian lenny machine, VMware Server 1.05 won't start anymore, with some "assertion failed" error. I thought this was due to libx11-6 2:1.1.4-2 (bug #486507), but on another machine running Debian lenny, it is libx11_6 2:1.1.4-2 too, but on that machine VMware *does* start... any idea ? |
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| 11:35.29 | abrotman | those are the same versions ? |
| 11:35.35 | abrotman | except - _ |
| 11:35.50 | pbn | yes |
| 11:35.59 | pbn | it's the same version of libx11-6 |
| 11:36.04 | abrotman | asked #vmware ? |
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| 11:36.17 | pbn | abrotman: uhh no... I guess I should :) |
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| 11:36.32 | abrotman | and the actual error might be helpful .. not "some random error about donuts" |
| 11:36.48 | mordy | !donuts |
| 11:37.32 | pbn | abrotman: http://paste.debian.net/11631/ |
| 11:38.01 | cydork | just blames vmware.. |
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| 11:38.32 | abrotman | looks like a libgtk issue .. but i'd ask #vmware to verify what the error means .. and if they can suggest a resolution, maybe we can help (and btw, 1.0.6 is out) |
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| 11:39.44 | abrotman | pbn: though .. it's vmware's own libraries .. i sense impending doom |
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| 11:40.04 | abrotman | (and that was libglib .. not libgtk) |
| 11:40.35 | pbn | well there's /usr/lib/libX11.so.6 in there though, that one ia Debian library |
| 11:40.48 | pbn | but indeed all other libraries are vmware ones |
| 11:41.12 | abrotman | libxcb ? |
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| 11:41.31 | pbn | no libX11 |
| 11:41.59 | abrotman | the line right after the failed assert |
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| 11:42.20 | TXX | okay guys |
| 11:42.21 | pbn | ah |
| 11:42.23 | TXX | serious problem |
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| 11:42.38 | pbn | perhaps should I look the version of libxcb too |
| 11:42.46 | abrotman | pbn: perhaps! .. and ask #vmware :) |
| 11:42.53 | TXX | just updated debian to the new image something for intel pentium series, and i can't get ndiswrapper module to work |
| 11:43.03 | abrotman | m-a a-i ndiswrapper ? |
| 11:43.10 | TXX | ? |
| 11:43.45 | TXX | i can't do ndiswrapper -v just prints module not found |
| 11:43.58 | TXX | but ndiswrapper is installed and i can use it and everything |
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| 11:45.36 | TXX | any ideas? |
| 11:46.02 | themill | TXX: not until you help us reconcile "ndiswrapper is installed and i can use it and everything" with "i can't get ndiswrapper module to work" |
| 11:46.15 | TXX | well |
| 11:46.50 | TXX | i installed ndiswrapper (or so i think) from synaptic package manager, then when i go to terminal and run it, it works* |
| 11:47.01 | TXX | but when i modprobe or modinfo ndiswrapper |
| 11:47.06 | TXX | it says missing module |
| 11:47.17 | themill | TXX: [12:43] <abrotman> m-a a-i ndiswrapper ? |
| 11:47.25 | abrotman | no thanks .. don't need it |
| 11:47.34 | TXX | m-a a-i ? |
| 11:47.34 | pbn | abrotman: yeah yeah I'm asking :) they do'nt seem interested though.... |
| 11:47.44 | abrotman | pbn: news at 11! |
| 11:48.00 | themill | dpkg: tell TXX about m-a |
| 11:48.17 | abrotman | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 11:48.18 | dpkg | ndiswrapper one-liner is probably aptitude install ndiswrapper-common build-essential module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper && echo ndiswrapper >> /etc/modules |
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| 11:50.28 | linux-love-r | brb |
| 11:50.52 | reisi | does anyone know a simple very minimal (i require only wget/dd/md5sum and md5sum) live image of debian that i could use to download images to computers? |
| 11:51.16 | reisi | i am currently building my own usb-debianlive but the configuration of this beast isn't so well documented |
| 11:51.29 | pbn | abrotman: no it's 1:50 pm here |
| 11:51.41 | abrotman | nevermind! |
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| 11:53.39 | TXX | oh my god! Thanks |
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| 11:54.45 | DawnLight | hi abrotman |
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| 11:55.10 | abrotman | uh hi |
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| 11:56.21 | AbsintheSyringe | I just set my notebook to user thinkfinger (thinkwiki) and out of sudden dozen of my fn + combo keys are not working, yes I updated my kernel in the meantime, but same thing will happen on older images ... any ideas? |
| 11:56.46 | DawnLight | this preseeding, late_command, automatic installation thing, local mirror, virtualbox, bash scripts is lots of work |
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| 11:58.42 | DawnLight | what's your job, abrotman. do you work? |
| 11:58.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 11:58.55 | abrotman | i'm at work now |
| 11:59.04 | DawnLight | tell them i love them |
| 11:59.13 | DawnLight | what work is yours? |
| 11:59.21 | DawnLight | please |
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| 11:59.54 | themill | DawnLight: he's not very good at his work. He has to spend all day on IRC getting help with it. |
| 12:00.29 | DawnLight | he's only at #debian and #debian-offtopic |
| 12:00.53 | DawnLight | he must be so good at his work, that he has time to help others |
| 12:01.06 | abrotman | DawnLight: or my bosses think i'm really inefficient :) |
| 12:01.26 | abrotman | and those are only the channels you can see .. |
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| 12:02.22 | Tapout | what's the best raid stripe size for raid+10 ? right now it's set as 256KB |
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| 12:06.44 | abrotman | Tapout: depends on your usage odn't you tyhink ? |
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| 12:08.53 | ancientt_ | I have a debian machine with what seems an odd problem. When I do an edit in vim, it takes about 120 seconds to write. Every time. Nano takes practically 0 seconds. Sign ons are either instant if I get the password right the first time, or hang until time out. I was trying keys, but it immediately hung. Anybody recognize this type of behavior? |
| 12:09.07 | cr3rzemjest | hi, i tried to install deb package and i got following error: failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./opt/Adobe/Reader8/Reader/intellinux/plug_ins3d/prcr.x3d': No space left on device |
| 12:09.13 | cr3rzemjest | what's going on? |
| 12:09.35 | themill | cr3rzemjest: your disk is full |
| 12:09.52 | cr3rzemjest | themill, no it isn't |
| 12:10.04 | themill | "No space left on device" is pretty definitive |
| 12:10.55 | cr3rzemjest | how weird is that |
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| 12:11.07 | cr3rzemjest | i can still install other programs |
| 12:14.44 | themill | cr3rzemjest: ones that install to a different partition (/opt is perhaps on /?) or take less disk space, presumably. |
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| 12:15.16 | themill | cr3rzemjest: btw you might be better off with the Acrobat package from debian-multimedia.org instead of directly from adobe. |
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| 12:16.50 | cr3rzemjest | i found that moving /emul to the /usr/emul and creating symlink might help, but i have no such dir |
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| 12:17.46 | abrotman | uh .. what? |
| 12:18.07 | abrotman | maybe he has filesystem corruption! |
| 12:20.06 | cr3rzemjest | no i just have only 264443K long root partition created by debian installer in not manual mode |
| 12:20.30 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: paste the output of `df -h` |
| 12:20.38 | abrotman | !patse |
| 12:20.43 | abrotman | bah .. find your own |
| 12:21.08 | mordy^ | hello |
| 12:21.39 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m2346cfb4 |
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| 12:28.16 | Brahmana | Are Woody packages still available somewhere? |
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| 12:28.42 | DexterF | hi |
| 12:29.01 | DexterF | installed lenny from cd. grub wont boot the bloody image. manually telling it about the kernel image it says error2: bad file or directory |
| 12:29.21 | DexterF | i went for the 2.6.25-686-2 image since the installer offered. anything not ok with that? |
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| 12:32.43 | themill | Brahmana: try http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 12:37.11 | JyZyXEL | anyone know any cryptography channels? |
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| 12:38.28 | Brahmana | themill, I navigated till here:http://archive.debian.org/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/, but I can't find packages there, but a small archive named packages. What is that? |
| 12:38.46 | JyZyXEL | wols you have to know |
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| 12:39.00 | idimmu | they're all secret and encrypted |
| 12:39.06 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 12:39.37 | DexterF | can I share /boot on its own partition betw. etch and lenny? |
| 12:39.38 | JyZyXEL | i need to know a way how you form sentences from certain amount of letters |
| 12:39.55 | JyZyXEL | im sure there are allkinds of tricks |
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| 12:40.29 | Brahmana | JyZyXEL, Thats more of theory, or science as its said, and probably not something discussed in channels... |
| 12:41.01 | Brahmana | Channels are more for technical stuff and troubleshooting. |
| 12:41.23 | JyZyXEL | =( |
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| 12:42.10 | JyZyXEL | oh wait its like hangman game |
| 12:42.34 | JyZyXEL | now i can google for hangman solving algorithms |
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| 12:43.02 | nkuttler | DexterF: could work. especially if you have different kernels for releases |
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| 12:43.37 | taddis | mx 2300 n |
| 12:43.59 | Brahmana | themill, Ok the packages are here: http://archive.debian.org/pool/main/ . But I am unable to find the font related packages - fontconfig, libfontconfig1 and fontconfig-config |
| 12:44.04 | Brahmana | Any info on that> |
| 12:44.23 | DexterF | nkuttler: hm. actually *only* if I have different kernels, huh? |
| 12:44.34 | themill | Brahmana: no idea. Why do you want such ancient stuff anyway? |
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| 12:45.29 | sarefo | hi, my old mobo died here at work, and they gave me an amd64x2, which is standard today i guess. two questions: does the normal lenny release support two CPU, and is it sensible to install the amd64 release (ie, will there be everything i'm used to from the 32 releases except certain mplayer codecs)? |
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| 12:46.20 | nkuttler | DexterF: you'll have to test that. probably easier than in the days of major kernel release transitions though. |
| 12:46.36 | Trewas | Brahmana: woody was released before the first version of libfontconfig1, according to its changelog and probably same goes for other fontconfig stuff |
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| 12:46.57 | DexterF | nkuttler: after all all I want is easy handling of two distros with one bootlaoder. about time grub2 gets ready |
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| 12:47.45 | nkuttler | DexterF: don't need one /boot/ to have one bootloader |
| 12:47.56 | DexterF | nkuttler: details, please. |
| 12:48.07 | pabix | Good evening, everyone! I would like to know whether you could advise me: in my school, that has installed a Redhat Fedora distro, the command write user <<< message issues a graphical pop-up, and does not appear in a terminal |
| 12:48.08 | nkuttler | DexterF: grub documentation |
| 12:48.11 | ktwilight | hm, so i get a "bus error" when i start vim, i've fsck-ed my hdd and no major issues, yet it still doesn't work. i've reinstalled the package via apt-get install --reinstall and it also doesn't work. what else should i be looking at? |
| 12:48.28 | pabix | Do you know if it can be done with Debian, with some package? |
| 12:48.46 | DexterF | nkuttler: I know the grub docs. when I have two dists, I have to manage two menu.lst on two systems and update one manually. |
| 12:48.48 | pabix | Like notify-send, but with messages to any other user |
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| 12:49.49 | nkuttler | DexterF: last time i checked you can specify a root for every entry. but you'll need to that by hand, yes |
| 12:50.32 | DexterF | that's what im talking about. grub2 can chainload config files, yes. but it doesnt even have proper docs yet, i just dont trust it as of now |
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| 12:54.30 | steven | hi |
| 12:54.36 | pabix | hi |
| 12:54.51 | steven | is it possible to read from a fifo pipe using cat but no exit when it's read a line of input |
| 12:55.10 | steven | ie cat will sit there and wait for more input ? |
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| 12:55.19 | avu | steven, use tail -f? |
| 12:55.55 | steven | avu thanks ill try that |
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| 13:00.21 | mordy | what else do i need to do with ndiswrapper besided ndiswrapper -i <.inf>? |
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| 13:01.04 | liable | mordy: why are you using ndiswrapper now? |
| 13:01.05 | asg | mordy: modprobe ndiswrapper (and verify that the driver is registered in the output of dmesg) |
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| 13:01.21 | mordy | liable - external graphic card :( |
| 13:01.28 | mordy | probably not going to work though |
| 13:01.48 | liable | mordy: whats graphics card got to do with ndiswrapper? |
| 13:01.58 | DexterF | can i install grub from the install cd *after* i installed and reebooted? |
| 13:02.03 | mordy | don't know - but it's my only hope :( |
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| 13:03.03 | liable | mordy: i'm confused. ndiswrapper doesnt do graphics cards, explain |
| 13:03.03 | ballessay | DexterF: should be possible |
| 13:03.27 | mordy | meh, i tried - if it doesn't then it doesn't. i'm slow today |
| 13:03.49 | Brahmana | themill, Running woody is the organizational restriction. I can't upgrade though I badly want to. |
| 13:03.55 | liable | mordy: ndiswrapper is for wireless cards.. |
| 13:04.10 | mordy | nothing available for it though - i've googled all over but nothing for this card. lots of stuff for sisusbvga - but this is using mctusbdvi |
| 13:04.16 | Brahmana | Trewas, You mean there was no libfontconfig1 and other fontconfig stuff for Woody at all?? |
| 13:04.27 | themill | Brahmana: are you sure? Security support for woody finished over two years ago. |
| 13:05.24 | mordy | liable - i'm just trying to find something to replace my horrible graphics on this laptop - it should work better, but i can't find anything wrong in the configuration. it should work better though - i915 |
| 13:05.59 | asg | mordy: if it's a 915 intel card, have you tried using 915resoultion? |
| 13:05.59 | Brahmana | themill, Yes. The IT team is working on the upgrade. We are expecting to move to etch sometime soon or probably lenny if IT is convinced that it is stable enough. |
| 13:06.00 | liable | mordy: but what does ndiswrapper have to do with it? |
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| 13:06.21 | Brahmana | themill, But till then we have woody and I need to continue working on that. |
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| 13:06.50 | mordy | liable, i'll drop ndiswrapper. wasn't a very smart idea for me anyway - thought it worked with other things besides network cards |
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| 13:06.58 | Trewas | Brahmana: looks like that, initial version of libfontconfig1 is dated "13 Oct 2002" and woody was released earlier that year |
| 13:07.06 | mordy | asg - i can't find 915resolution on lenny |
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| 13:07.17 | liable | mordy: i didnt know it did other stuff |
| 13:07.19 | themill | Brahmana: are you sure you don't mean sarge? |
| 13:07.52 | mordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.52 | mordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.54 | themill | asg: 915resolution is no longer required with the newer xorg. It's been dropped. |
| 13:08.09 | asg | themill: fair enough |
| 13:08.18 | liable | mordy: yes, but not graphics cards :P |
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| 13:08.29 | Brahmana | themill, Well why to go for sarge when etch is available? From what I know etch is stable enough with 2.6 kernel. |
| 13:08.37 | mordy | hehe |
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| 13:09.02 | mordy | maybe i could try a live etch cd to see if my graphics are any better under etch |
| 13:09.06 | mordy | where do i get one? |
| 13:09.07 | themill | Brahmana: what's the output of: cat /etc/debian_version ; dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:09.10 | liable | its network centric |
| 13:09.37 | liable | mordy: whats your actuall problem? |
| 13:09.48 | mordy | liable - with a name like "ndis" certainly |
| 13:09.54 | mordy | liable - it's just slow and sluggish |
| 13:10.13 | liable | mordy: ndis isnt ndiswrapper |
| 13:10.19 | themill | Brahmana: I'm not advocating that you move to sarge, I just find it hard to believe that you're still using woody. That's incredibly old and so far beyond unsupported it's not funny. I hate to think how hard it is to get it running decently on modern hardware and I hate to think how many know security holes you've got installed. |
| 13:12.03 | Brahmana | themill, I understand that. But that's something I can't decide. I am just hoping for the upgrade to happen at the earliest. |
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| 13:12.15 | mordy | liable - indeed, but what ndiswrapper does is (at least this is what i think) it acts as a proxy to for the kernel to communicate with the device via the windows driver |
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| 13:13.00 | liable | mordy: it is a funky wrapper with a windows driver file and the kernel |
| 13:13.07 | petemc | mordy: you dont seem to be taking onboard what people are telling you |
| 13:14.31 | themill | Brahmana: good luck with that. As Trewas already pointed out, you're not going to find fontconfig for woody |
| 13:16.16 | abrotman | brahmana: if you're going to dist-upgrade woody to etch, you need to go through sarge first |
| 13:16.36 | mordy | petemc - either i'm stupid, slow, or simply stubborn. either way i don't have a policy of rejecting what people tell me if i understand it |
| 13:16.47 | abrotman | chooses D) |
| 13:17.50 | mordy | all of the above? |
| 13:18.43 | Brahmana | abrotman, We will probably be asked to back up our data on to a server and then install a preconfigured desktop image. Not sure, since I am new here. So dist-upgrade and all. |
| 13:19.04 | Brahmana | s/So /So no |
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| 13:21.44 | Brahmana | 3.0 |
| 13:21.46 | Brahmana | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:22.03 | Brahmana | themill, Thats the output of the command that you earlier mentioned |
| 13:22.16 | themill | Brahmana: you might like to read the version string for libc6 again |
| 13:22.34 | idimmu | it has a plot twist! |
| 13:23.02 | themill | Brahmana: You have a funky mixture of woody and etch. Probably with a twist of sarge thrown in for good measure. |
| 13:23.02 | Brahmana | themill, I am sorry, i did not get that. |
| 13:23.54 | Brahmana | themill, The etch extension for libc is the result of a dumb rescue measure that I tried after I faced the fontconfig problem |
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| 13:24.23 | themill | is almost surprised the box is still running |
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| 13:25.16 | Brahmana | you might scream at me for this question, but yet I dare ask, What are the odds that the libc6 of etch will work on woody? |
| 13:25.23 | udinesh6 | i want to find out the time elapsed for a command to return back |
| 13:25.27 | idimmu | id happily bet against you |
| 13:25.28 | Brahmana | hides behind his desk... |
| 13:25.37 | themill | Brahmana: well it seams to be working for you so far.... |
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| 13:25.42 | idimmu | what is hte problem your're trying to solve? |
| 13:25.45 | themill | !boppit |
| 13:25.50 | themill | fail |
| 13:25.52 | cydork | !bobbitt |
| 13:25.52 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 13:26.13 | themill | that's the one |
| 13:26.29 | sts_ | hello folks. i just ran the updates for libgd2-xpm/etch an i noticed the following error mesage: dpkg-preconfigure: unable to re-open stdin: No such file or directory. is there a problem with the upgrade script? |
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| 13:27.58 | abrotman | themill: that's much easier to remember if oyu know the story i think |
| 13:28.10 | cydork | nods.. |
| 13:28.24 | themill | I know the story, just couldn't remember the right spelling of the name |
| 13:29.03 | Brahmana | themill, idimmu, I basically set out to install 2.12.4 and that had a slew of dependencies including glibc 2.3.6. In the course of installation it told me to do run "apt-get -f install" to resolve unmet dependencies. I did so and the next thing i see is my fontconfig being screwed up. |
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| 13:29.19 | Brahmana | s/install 2.12.4/install glib 2.12.4 |
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| 13:29.33 | Myagy | is there any way to log all the files uploaded though Squid by POST method ? |
| 13:29.46 | Myagy | can anyone please tell me how can i do that ? |
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| 13:30.52 | Trewas | Brahmana: you might as well actually upgrade the whole distro instead of doing such a hacky partial upgrade |
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| 13:31.54 | idimmu | install the latest version from scratch!! |
| 13:32.12 | abrotman | Myagy: probably ought to ask #squid |
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| 13:33.00 | Brahmana | Trewas, idimmu I might have to do that. But that requires waiting and an implied idle time. |
| 13:33.30 | Myagy | abrotman: did that |
| 13:33.44 | abrotman | so wait.. be patient |
| 13:34.27 | Brahmana | Trewas, themill, idimmu, whats surprising me is that the fontconfig came up when I did apt-get install -f, and you mention that fontconfig is something after woody. |
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| 13:35.09 | Brahmana | From what I know apt-get looks up the repo of the distro I am running and not others. |
| 13:35.19 | SPF | is it possible to connect a PS/2 mouse after boot? |
| 13:35.26 | SPF | because mine aint working |
| 13:35.51 | idimmu | Brahmana: look in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:35.58 | idimmu | and see if it says woody or something else |
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| 13:36.37 | idimmu | i think we still have some woody boxes around here we need to move to hardy :( |
| 13:36.44 | idimmu | some have uptimes of 4 years though \o/ |
| 13:36.57 | Brahmana | ok.. it references a local organizational mirror.. |
| 13:37.11 | idimmu | danger will robinson |
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| 13:37.39 | Brahmana | ok.. I am not aware of that jargon. |
| 13:38.06 | thms | I've a gentoo home server and want to move it on debian, but will I have the lastest version of snort, apache2, tcpdump, openssh on debian like I had on gentoo ? |
| 13:38.25 | cydork | !sns |
| 13:38.25 | dpkg | i guess sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 13:38.52 | thms | what I liked of gentoo was that everything was in portage, no need to add things to sources.list |
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| 13:40.13 | Brahmana | themill, cydork, I did not fully understand the impact of using packages from different branches. Any doc that I can read up? |
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| 13:41.27 | themill | Brahmana: the impact is a screwed up system. The documentation is as follows: "don't do it". |
| 13:41.45 | cydork | Brahmana: i don't think you will find any doc.. but you will find lot people who have borked their servers by doing it. |
| 13:41.56 | abrotman | thms: packages.debian.org/snort .. for example .. |
| 13:42.19 | Brahmana | ok.. that was straight and clear. |
| 13:43.32 | abrotman | stuff go boom! |
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| 13:47.29 | thms | abrotman: okay, thanks |
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| 13:48.41 | zxxxd | is it possible to create a dir , where everyone can write to it but not remove each other's file except users that are member of a specific group? |
| 13:49.44 | mordy | are debian live images hosted anywhere else besides live,debian.net? i'm getting 30KBps |
| 13:50.25 | abrotman | thms: though if it's for a server, i'd be looking at the stable/etch versions .. |
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| 13:50.44 | abrotman | zxxxd: kind of like /tmp/ ? |
| 13:50.47 | Quazar | Hi all, has anyone found Debian to run secure with a laptop? |
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| 13:50.56 | abrotman | secure by what measuer? |
| 13:51.10 | abrotman | it'd be just as secure on a laptop as it would be on a desktop |
| 13:51.11 | thms | abrotman: it's for a server/router, what is the package for the kernel headers/sources ? |
| 13:51.29 | abrotman | thms: packages.debian.org/linux-source ... linux-headers |
| 13:51.32 | abrotman | linux-image |
| 13:51.33 | Quazar | I mean by does it run like it should with wireless utilities etc |
| 13:51.46 | zxxxd | abrotman, but in /tmp/ there is no group that can delete the files of everyone |
| 13:51.48 | abrotman | like it should? |
| 13:51.53 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 13:51.54 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
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| 13:52.05 | abrotman | Quazar: likely depends on the wifi card i guess |
| 13:52.16 | abrotman | Quazar: it works with my wifi card |
| 13:52.26 | Quazar | abrotman, for example my card is a BCM4311 |
| 13:52.51 | abrotman | bcm43xx .. you'd need the bcm43xx-fwcutter in etch or b43-fwcutter in lenny/sid |
| 13:52.59 | Quazar | Ugh no |
| 13:53.00 | Quazar | =/ |
| 13:53.00 | thms | abrotman: since it's 2.6.18 in etch, is the vmsplice issue corrected ? |
| 13:53.03 | abrotman | no ? |
| 13:53.10 | Quazar | I would be using ndiswrapper |
| 13:53.23 | Quazar | The connection is slower if you use native drivers |
| 13:53.25 | abrotman | thms: yes .. security.debian.org .. subscribe to the mailing list(the RSS is okay, but a bit delayed) |
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| 13:53.32 | abrotman | Quazar: whatever you want |
| 13:53.46 | Quazar | But is it good with laptops? |
| 13:53.55 | Quazar | Im gonna be testing it on this one |
| 13:54.05 | Quazar | I |
| 13:54.06 | zxxxd | abrotman, do you know for sure there is a solution or i am just going to read through that with no answer? |
| 13:54.09 | thms | abrotman: so there's no more security using gentoo (with newer packages) than debian with daily updates ? |
| 13:54.14 | Quazar | I've only used Debian for servers |
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| 13:55.17 | abrotman | thms: you'd have to check .. i don't follow the glsa stuff on gentoo |
| 13:55.21 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 13:55.21 | dpkg | methinks tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 13:55.30 | Quazar | So has _anyone_ found debian to run very well with laptops ? |
| 13:55.36 | abrotman | it runs great on my laptop |
| 13:55.37 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 13:55.43 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 13:55.44 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
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| 13:56.05 | abrotman | zxxxd: no, i'm not 100% sure .. but the sticky bits seems like maybe your best option |
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| 13:56.45 | liable | themill: i approve of your resolvconf changes. thank fuck someone changed it. |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | eh? |
| 13:57.06 | abrotman | stop changing stuff! |
| 13:57.17 | liable | huh? |
| 13:57.57 | Quazar | turns on rap music |
| 13:58.27 | liable | abrotman: see "fix resolvconf the ugly way" which for some bizzare reason regulars in this channel seemed to advocate |
| 13:58.53 | liable | and it shitted me to tears |
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| 13:59.05 | abrotman | liable: the chattr way? |
| 13:59.05 | liable | and themill finally fixed |
| 13:59.17 | liable | abrotman: yes. |
| 13:59.26 | abrotman | liable: you either fix your dhclient conf .. or use the chattr .. i always tell them both .. lazy people go for the latter |
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| 13:59.54 | liable | abrotman: if you even tell people chatter then you are a lazy prick too |
| 14:00.01 | DawnLight | i thought that 'echo thisandthat >> list' would append 'thisandthat' to the end of the file 'list' but it just sticks the line in the beginning, overiding some characters there. wtf? |
| 14:00.07 | liable | its a fucking terrible hack |
| 14:00.34 | abrotman | liable: i'm not lazy .. i just know it exists |
| 14:00.46 | zxxxd | abrotman, sticky bits dosen't allow anyone but the owner of the dir to delete the files |
| 14:00.57 | liable | and considering people here invoke <unix lessons> i cannot believe they advocate that factoid |
| 14:00.57 | DawnLight | don't tell me about the chattr, then |
| 14:00.57 | abrotman | liable: i'd personally fix dhclient.conf |
| 14:01.34 | liable | abrotman: well, regulars here should lart that fix like the fucking horrible hack it is |
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| 14:04.05 | disposable | why is there no kernel-patch-vserver on Etch? |
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| 14:08.43 | liable | i realise Guerin made it, but its the worst thing i have ever seen actually advocated in this channel. i wish greycat could have seen people promoting it... |
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| 14:10.46 | disposable | no need to answer that anymore |
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| 14:11.02 | mordy | works on his pension while his live debian image downloads @ 30KBps |
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| 14:16.10 | disposable | i need to compile a debian 2.6.18 kernel with vserver support. there's no kernel-patch-vserver any more and the table on http://linux-vserver.org/Downloads is a bit confusing as the diff files seem to be kernel version bound. which patch do i need to download and from where for my 2.6.18 kernel? |
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| 14:17.54 | mordy | hmm... is it possible that my graphics are bad because the card is working overtime in thinking that the laptop panel is connected and then trying to conform to it? is that possible? |
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| 14:18.36 | cahoot | can't you turn it off with xrandr? |
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| 14:20.04 | mordy | xrandr -d LVDS --off? |
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| 14:21.04 | mordy | i wonder why it's detecting it altogether - nothing related to the panel is connected anymore :-?? |
| 14:21.05 | cahoot | rather --output LVDS --off |
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| 14:22.22 | iateadonut | after upgrading (not dist-upgrading) my debian etch, my laptop can no longer be closed (or else the screen turns black and cannot come back on, and my apache is shot. |
| 14:22.26 | mordy | gah, - it "doesn't work" - i.e. it still shows it connected, but no error on --output <> --off |
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| 14:23.00 | iateadonut | permission to go on a rant? |
| 14:23.23 | mordy | iateadonut - take your turn in line... |
| 14:23.29 | msshams | please tell me that cacti and zabbix are applications with same usage? |
| 14:24.02 | pickcoder | hrm.. I'm missing something here. I've put MAILTO="" in a crontab and I'm still getting mail from it. |
| 14:24.16 | mordy | iateadonut - aren't those power management settings? you can easily alter them with the gui - don't know the commands though |
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| 14:24.38 | abrotman | liable: lart which fix? |
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| 14:24.44 | pickcoder | I think crond is just trying to annoy me |
| 14:24.55 | abrotman | liable: i've seen worse hacks than the chattr |
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| 14:25.56 | liable | abrotman: you can honestly invoke the <unix lessons> factoid, yet tell people to us chattr on a file in /etc?? |
| 14:26.38 | abrotman | liable: i tell them to fix the dhclient .. but some people don't want to read .. the chattr is dirty, but if you're too lazy to read docs .. what should you do? |
| 14:26.42 | abrotman | i'm not going to read them for them |
| 14:26.52 | liable | abrotman: i would love for you to explain using chattr in the debian-devel list for networking |
| 14:26.56 | iateadonut | i found a power management gui, but i don't think it's what i'm looking for. |
| 14:27.30 | abrotman | liable: why does it need an explanation at all ? it's pretty obvious that people are too lazy to read documentation |
| 14:27.38 | liable | abrotman: its a working hack, the thing that really pisses me off, is that that regulars here advocate it. |
| 14:27.41 | mordy | iateadonut - from my experience some video cards have problems redrawng the display on resume from standby |
| 14:27.52 | abrotman | liable: you mean like hacking the postinst ? |
| 14:28.01 | iateadonut | because when i fold the laptop up, it blanks, and then can't come back when i hit a key. |
| 14:28.06 | mordy | and in general there are various problems with standby at times - |
| 14:28.08 | iateadonut | it did three days ago just fine before i upgraded. |
| 14:28.10 | liable | abrotman: and these are the same people that carry one about other horrible hacks |
| 14:28.16 | cydork | abrotman: putting exit 0 in postinst is worse actually.. |
| 14:28.24 | Brahmana | idimmu, still around? |
| 14:28.30 | mordy | iateadonut - the entire system is unresponsive? or just the screen |
| 14:28.31 | liable | abrotman: wtf? postinst? |
| 14:28.38 | idimmu | Brahmana: yeah bra |
| 14:28.48 | idimmu | almost cigarette o'clock though |
| 14:28.59 | iateadonut | i can hear beep beep if i'm at the command line, and if i randomly click stuff with the mouse, i can make the cpu light go wirr wirr wirr. |
| 14:29.07 | mordy | every o'clock is a cigarette o'clock |
| 14:29.12 | mordy | O'Clock |
| 14:29.15 | iateadonut | crap, dude. |
| 14:29.18 | ocK | 0,0 |
| 14:29.21 | idimmu | not if ur at work :> |
| 14:29.32 | idimmu | stares at the minute hand |
| 14:29.34 | Brahmana | idimmu, you mentioned that you got some woody boxes.. was that a reference to machines serving woody related stuff? |
| 14:29.38 | iateadonut | and the whole point of upgrading was to get a copy of iceweasel that would let me open .tif documents without rooting through my /usr/bin every time. |
| 14:29.45 | idimmu | it was a reference to machines running debian woody :( |
| 14:29.50 | iateadonut | damn, i should've dd'ed my system before i screwed with it. |
| 14:29.51 | Brahmana | oh.. |
| 14:29.56 | liable | abrotman: but why do you promote it. thats the point. theres lots of easy workarounds, but never to use such dirty things like chattr on a config file |
| 14:30.13 | mordy | iateadonut - the kernel is an image? or compiled by you |
| 14:30.20 | iateadonut | image. |
| 14:30.27 | liable | i'm just dumbfounded at the acceptance of it in this channel |
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| 14:31.32 | mordy | iateadonut - what if you ctl+alt+bckspc - anything? |
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| 14:31.42 | iateadonut | nope. |
| 14:31.58 | mordy | X log say anything? |
| 14:32.06 | iateadonut | are you suggesting that i should restart x every time i want to put the screen down on my laptop? |
| 14:32.07 | iateadonut | let me check. |
| 14:32.18 | Brahmana | themill, idimmu Trewas, Thank you very much people. I will upgrade my system and get things working in sane manner. |
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| 14:32.29 | mordy | i'm not suggesting anything - but it could sometimes say where the problem is |
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| 14:33.42 | iateadonut | i don't see x in my logs. |
| 14:33.46 | iateadonut | /var/logs/? |
| 14:33.47 | bringatowel | is there any way to find the make and model of a RAM stick in a running system? |
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| 14:33.57 | mordy | var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 14:34.09 | iateadonut | i don't see any time stamps or anything in the log file. |
| 14:34.16 | mordy | (unfortunately, i have that one on speeddial) |
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| 14:34.47 | iateadonut | i have no idea how to read it. why aren't there any time stamps? |
| 14:35.09 | mordy | iateadonut - Xorg.0.log is session-based - it keeps track of your last session |
| 14:35.23 | mordy | can you paste it to a pastebin? |
| 14:35.29 | mordy | !paste |
| 14:35.29 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:35.30 | iateadonut | last thing it did was find my touchpad. |
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| 14:36.34 | mordy | and while you're at it, paste /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 14:38.02 | iateadonut | http://rafb.net/p/GprfRS98.html |
| 14:38.36 | abrotman | liable: name another work around |
| 14:38.51 | abrotman | liable: and yes .. the 'exit 0' on the postinst is far worse IMO |
| 14:39.29 | liable | abrotman: i never mentioned exit 0 |
| 14:39.44 | abrotman | i didn't say you did .. but i've seen regulars *and* DDs use that as a work around |
| 14:40.05 | iateadonut | http://rafb.net/p/oYTGVO55.html |
| 14:40.06 | petemc | ive told people to use chattr on resolv.conf before, big deal |
| 14:40.16 | liable | abrotman: and i dont care for another workaround. file a bug. you have seen dd's suggest using chattr? |
| 14:40.29 | abrotman | i've never seen a DD address the issue before that i can recall |
| 14:40.39 | iateadonut | you know what the hong kong dollar says in it? it says "promises to pay the bearer on demand twenty hong kong dollars". |
| 14:40.49 | abrotman | but i've seen DDs use exit 0 on postinst |
| 14:41.02 | abrotman | whatever .. chattr exists .. it's a dirty hack .. there are worse |
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| 14:41.28 | abrotman | like i said .. i tell them about both .. i would prefer they read docs .. but not everyone will |
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| 14:41.33 | Cleveland | what kind of an error is this : CIFS VFS: Send error in Close = -9 |
| 14:41.34 | liable | i just dont understand the hypocrisy |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | it's not hypocrisy |
| 14:41.44 | liable | it is |
| 14:42.05 | abrotman | how? by using the attributes of the unix file system ? |
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| 14:42.33 | liable | abrotman: and then telling people not to change any perms in other situations? |
| 14:42.43 | mordy | iateadonut - maybe this: (II) I810(0): Broken BIOSes cause the system to hang here. |
| 14:42.44 | mordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.44 | mordy | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:42.47 | abrotman | right .. dirty hack |
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| 14:43.09 | abrotman | it's not like it's going to get you arrested |
| 14:43.17 | liable | how the fuck can you advocate chattr, and then lart people for changing perms in other situations? |
| 14:43.24 | abrotman | like i said .. i'd rather have someone use chattr than exit 0 |
| 14:44.12 | liable | !unix lessons |
| 14:44.12 | dpkg | methinks unix lessons is (1) Don't change the permissions, (2) back up your data, (3) keep it simple, stupid, (4) read the fscking manual, (5) don't fsck with package management, (6) don't type anything you don't understand, (7) always have a boot floppy or CD, (8) read your log files, (9) the FIRST error is the one that counts, (10) don't leave your root shell until you TEST your changes, (11) don't be root when you don't have to be |
| 14:44.22 | idimmu | good news everyone |
| 14:44.23 | abrotman | see #4!?! |
| 14:44.26 | idimmu | i had a smoke! |
| 14:44.27 | abrotman | they DO NOT DO THAT |
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| 14:44.55 | liable | chattr DOES THAT |
| 14:44.59 | abrotman | if they're too lazy to read the dhclient man page .. they're going to end up writing a horrible hack of a script in rc.local that re copies the file after every boot |
| 14:45.00 | cydork | if they did, what will we do? |
| 14:45.08 | abrotman | or they can use chattr |
| 14:45.30 | abrotman | i really don't see why it's being debated .. you can certainly correct everyone that mentions chattr if you choose |
| 14:45.39 | abrotman | is it wrong .. yes .. is it a solution, yes |
| 14:45.55 | abrotman | well ... "wrong" |
| 14:46.17 | liable | its hypocritical |
| 14:46.34 | abrotman | so is exit 0 |
| 14:46.34 | mordy | iateadonut - i'm also wondering which version of the 945 you're using. i had problems with the 945GME with the 2.6.18 kernel |
| 14:46.40 | abrotman | so are lots of things we tell people to do |
| 14:46.41 | liable | i cant belive you dont see that |
| 14:46.55 | abrotman | jesus .. i never said it was a good soltuion |
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| 14:47.22 | iateadonut | 2.6.18 |
| 14:47.26 | iateadonut | not sure what i was using last week. |
| 14:47.37 | liable | yes, but you advocate chattr, but not other horrible hacks |
| 14:47.51 | mordy | iateadonut - are you getting normal resolution? everything working fine otherwise? |
| 14:47.57 | abrotman | no .. i tell them to read the dhclient man page .. and if they can't figure it out that chattr is an option |
| 14:48.30 | mordy | is a chatter that is sadly never an option :( |
| 14:48.31 | abrotman | liable: we tell people all sorts of things .. some of them are bad .. and i bet most don't understand what they're doing |
| 14:48.47 | iateadonut | everything else is fine. |
| 14:48.48 | liable | abrotman: thats the hypocrisy, people here advocate using the nvidia installer if the debian one doesnt work, yet they get yelled down |
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| 14:48.56 | iateadonut | except apache which is so busted it doesn't even keep logs anymore. |
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| 14:49.19 | petemc | liable: i think you're taking that first rule a bit too literally, people change permissions all the time, and its fine as long as you know and understand what you're doing |
| 14:49.34 | abrotman | liable: i don't advocate nvidia hardware :) |
| 14:49.38 | pickcoder | liable: I only advocate the use of SSH |
| 14:49.41 | iateadonut | i may just not have discovered everything else that's wrong. |
| 14:49.42 | abrotman | liable: and that wasn't really what i was referring to |
| 14:49.45 | mordy | iateadonut - i don't think the apache is related. if your X is responsive and etc. save for the display, then it seems to be a monitor-card issue, and nothing else - |
| 14:49.45 | pickcoder | (and SCP instead of FTP) |
| 14:49.54 | liable | petemc: you think a person who needs to use chattr actually knows what they are doing? |
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| 14:50.02 | mordy | can you paste your xorg.conf/ |
| 14:50.04 | petemc | liable: sure, i use it |
| 14:50.06 | eshat | Hi all, which file do I have to execute to logout from gnome/xfce? |
| 14:50.11 | iateadonut | just griping. i can't believe an upgrade within the same stable distro would cause all this to happen. |
| 14:50.17 | abrotman | liable: i've used it |
| 14:50.22 | iateadonut | i like apt-get, though. |
| 14:50.22 | abrotman | i do use it |
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| 14:50.28 | liable | petemc: i am talking about pople that get advice here |
| 14:50.33 | iateadonut | but rpm is really good from the command line also. |
| 14:50.51 | petemc | liable: its not a hard concept to grasp, changing file attributes |
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| 14:51.04 | iateadonut | where do i paste the Option "DisplayInfo" "FALSE" in the xorg.conf? |
| 14:51.10 | liable | bah |
| 14:51.12 | mordy | let me see |
| 14:51.14 | pickcoder | rpm doesn't download packages for you |
| 14:51.30 | zxxxd | r p m |
| 14:51.51 | abrotman | i'm actually surprised liable thinks people here read man pages :) |
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| 14:52.53 | liable | petemc: show me an average unix user that even knows what chattr is, and i'll buy you a beer |
| 14:52.53 | abrotman | i know what it is! |
| 14:52.53 | iateadonut | what do you mean it doesn't download packages? |
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| 14:52.53 | bringatowel | is there any way to find the make and model of a RAM stick in a running system? |
| 14:52.53 | iateadonut | what does it do? |
| 14:52.53 | mordy | iateadonut, i *think* in the "Device" section |
| 14:52.59 | abrotman | petemc: i think this is a trick question .. i think he's going to buy you a sheep! |
| 14:53.03 | cahoot | bringatowel: try dmidecode |
| 14:53.10 | abrotman | !tell bringatowel about whats my hardware |
| 14:53.33 | cahoot | bringatowel: or decode-dimms |
| 14:53.39 | iateadonut | ok. don't answer that question about rpm until i come back then. (restarting x) |
| 14:54.22 | eshat | is there a file that logs me out graphically ? |
| 14:54.25 | abrotman | iateadonut: to be fair .. your question was *way* too spread out |
| 14:54.29 | enouf | !myram |
| 14:54.30 | dpkg | methinks myram is install and run dmidecode -t memory as root to see RAM info, or also install i2c-tools pkg, if available to you (lenny/sid), modprobe eeprom, and run decode-dimms for much more detailed info. For etch users, try the lm-sensors pkg, and see /usr/share/doc/lm-sensors/examples/eeprom/decode-dimms.pl and other docs |
| 14:54.54 | abrotman | dpkg: i wanted to know about your ram |
| 14:54.55 | dpkg | abrotman: i don't know |
| 14:55.17 | iateadonut | abrotman: i don't understand? |
| 14:55.22 | abrotman | liable: so we're going to call out everyone that gives bad advice and berate them ? |
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| 14:55.36 | abrotman | liable: or not even 'bad' .. just less than good ? |
| 14:55.40 | mordy | wonders if he just gave bad advice |
| 14:55.50 | abrotman | iateadonut: you've got like .. 200 lines .. i lost track! |
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| 14:55.54 | iateadonut | i'm just restarting x to find if the solution mordy gave is gonna work. |
| 14:56.04 | liable | abrotman: isnt that how #debian works? or did i miss the latest memo? |
| 14:56.12 | iateadonut | right! my main thing was my rant and secondary was my x not doing it. |
| 14:56.17 | marchino | after an update to 2.6.26 kernel i no more got the cdrom drive |
| 14:56.20 | cydork | misses graycat.. |
| 14:56.22 | abrotman | liable: well .. we got rid of the rude, but smart people .. remember? :) |
| 14:56.30 | enouf | marchino: use a working kernel |
| 14:56.32 | liable | abrotman: i just detest that particular bit of advice |
| 14:56.36 | iateadonut | and i might fix both these problems by switching my grub to boot a mandriva partition. |
| 14:56.41 | marchino | there is no device in /dev why? |
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| 14:56.50 | abrotman | liable: i never said it was good .. but not everyone can find that option in the dhclient.conf man page .. |
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| 14:56.56 | iateadonut | since i have to re set up my apache anyway... and mandriva's terminal accepts utf8 input method editors! |
| 14:57.01 | abrotman | marchino: you compiled it yourself? |
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| 14:57.20 | marchino | the configuration is not change from a previous 2.6.26-rc |
| 14:57.25 | marchino | abrotman: yes |
| 14:57.26 | abrotman | liable: we could go in circles all day .. it's not a good thing to do, but it's a solution |
| 14:57.28 | cjg | hi, im having trouble with xorg, when I startx my system hangs and I have to restart on the box |
| 14:57.30 | abrotman | marchino: ask #kernel |
| 14:57.33 | liable | abrotman: so we should point to it rather than suggesting chattr |
| 14:57.46 | abrotman | liable: we do "read man dhclient.conf" |
| 14:57.49 | enouf | smells vermont syrup .. and wonders why .. but it's making me yearn pancackes and french toast and all sorts of breakfast things ;-) |
| 14:57.52 | abrotman | liable: /msg dpkg be a reading barbie :) |
| 14:58.10 | pickcoder | wonders how someone turns a state into syrup |
| 14:58.17 | pickcoder | lots of pressure? |
| 14:58.23 | liable | abrotman: nope, it really annoys me that people suggest it as a workaround |
| 14:58.35 | enouf | well, rhode island is so small , you could wall-to-wall carpet it :-P |
| 14:58.50 | abrotman | liable: i don't like it either .. but it's a solution |
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| 14:59.06 | msshams | i installed mysql-server and i use it now. but can you please tell me that what is mysql-client package? |
| 14:59.13 | enouf | ahh .. the good ol' immutable flag argument ;-) |
| 14:59.24 | abrotman | makes enouf immutable |
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| 14:59.29 | enouf | silly resolv.conf :-) |
| 14:59.30 | pickcoder | erm... mysql-client |
| 14:59.38 | pickcoder | apt-cache search mysql-client |
| 14:59.56 | abrotman | liable: we should send you to OFTC for a day .. you'd go bananas :) |
| 15:00.00 | enouf | still has/runs dhcpcd :-P |
| 15:00.02 | enouf | hides |
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| 15:00.40 | liable | abrotman: i am consistently bananas :P |
| 15:00.42 | cydork | abrotman: they are too.. nice.. i used to idle there for a while.. |
| 15:00.50 | eshat | @ALL: Is there a file that logs me out graphically (from gnome or xfce) ? |
| 15:01.03 | aronofsky | hi , id like to know is there a tool to know if debian computer is up2date about security mirrors and to return a status in a file ? |
| 15:01.05 | liable | i like turtles |
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| 15:01.11 | helo | dpkg: dns vulnerability? |
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| 15:01.25 | abrotman | !tell helo about dsa |
| 15:01.36 | abrotman | liable: yeah .. it's a special kind |
| 15:01.57 | abrotman | !info descan etch |
| 15:02.02 | abrotman | is that the name ? |
| 15:02.18 | pickcoder | aronofsky: that happens when you do aptitude update; aptitude upgrade |
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| 15:02.34 | pickcoder | (provided you have a security repos in sources.list) |
| 15:02.35 | abrotman | !info debsecan etch |
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| 15:02.37 | dpkg | debsecan: (Debian Security Analyzer), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.4.7 (etch), Packaged size: 30 kB, Installed size: 184 kB |
| 15:02.53 | pickcoder | hrm |
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| 15:03.21 | enouf | IINM, in the case of the openssl thing, a dist-upgrade might be needed? |
| 15:03.30 | abrotman | yes it is |
| 15:03.36 | pickcoder | should I trust an auditng tool that still isn't to 1.0 yet? |
| 15:03.41 | pickcoder | :) |
| 15:04.02 | enouf | well, hopefully, whomever is admining, knows well enough not to mix releases in sources.list |
| 15:04.07 | abrotman | pickcoder: it matches CVE announcements |
| 15:04.26 | abrotman | pickcoder: roughly the same as the tracker of doom |
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| 15:04.44 | iateadonut | can i be in here, even if i'm using mandriva now? |
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| 15:04.47 | mordy | iateadonut - how did it go? |
| 15:04.50 | mordy | didn't work? |
| 15:04.51 | abrotman | if you don't ask mandriva questions |
| 15:04.53 | mordy | :( |
| 15:04.59 | magyar_ | hi, where do i find info as to which kernel version is in the beta leny installer? |
| 15:05.01 | iateadonut | ok. |
| 15:05.09 | pickcoder | abrotman: matches to what? security packages? |
| 15:05.16 | pickcoder | packages/updates |
| 15:05.17 | magyar_ | lenny |
| 15:05.19 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 15:05.19 | dpkg | from memory, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 15:05.23 | enouf | wishes there was an fast easy way to tell .. right up front, for all people asking about all those {un}related questions and errors they show up that are caused from mixing releases |
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| 15:05.30 | pickcoder | oh |
| 15:06.14 | enouf | magyar: it'll tell you when you boot it ;-) |
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| 15:06.24 | enouf | magyar: or, loop mount the ISO and peek in |
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| 15:08.09 | curtmack | Okay, I have an Atheros wireless card which, until yesterday, worked fine. Yesterday I moved it to another slot, and now it does not work at all. The card shows up on lspci, but madwifi does not detect it at all. The people in #madwifi say it's not a madwifi problem (which makes sense); anyone here know what the problem is? |
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| 15:08.52 | enouf | curtmack: compare dmesg outputs |
| 15:08.54 | liable | curtmack: yes, move it back |
| 15:09.00 | enouf | curtmack: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 15:09.11 | cahoot | curtmack: udev making problems? |
| 15:09.14 | enouf | likes liable 's answer |
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| 15:09.43 | bringatowel | cahoot and abrotman, thanks dmidecode helped, and decode-dimms is ever better, however it still doesn't show the model number. now i am checking the lm-sensors info |
| 15:09.51 | dmseg | hello, i need source code for dpkg |
| 15:10.01 | enouf | !tell dmseg -about pastewithoutx |
| 15:10.15 | curtmack | enouf/liable: The reason I moved it was because it was blocking the fan of my video card. Completely. The system halted from overheating twice yesterday. |
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| 15:10.22 | enouf | dmseg: i wanted to tell you earlier, but you left - just more info - and other options |
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| 15:10.34 | curtmack | It's all well and good to say "move it back," but it ain't happening. |
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| 15:10.57 | dmseg | kk enouf: i need dpkg source |
| 15:11.01 | curtmack | I'll try the other ideas though |
| 15:11.11 | mordy | gah, where can i even find freenx? |
| 15:11.19 | liable | curtmack: thats a good reason. but it just means you havent seated the card properly, or the slot is no good |
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| 15:11.39 | enouf | very possible liable and curtmack |
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| 15:11.49 | iateadonut | no apt-spy... that's a downer. |
| 15:12.02 | enouf | muniek92: something called nomachine? |
| 15:12.05 | enouf | bah |
| 15:12.15 | enouf | not muniek92 , i meant mordy |
| 15:12.25 | mordy | ahh |
| 15:12.31 | liable | curtmack: we cant help if you have hardware problems. |
| 15:12.31 | petemc | nomachine is non free nx |
| 15:12.36 | enouf | iateadonut: try netselect-apt |
| 15:12.38 | iateadonut | well, thanks for all the help, everyone over the year. guess i'll see you in a few months or so. |
| 15:12.47 | dmseg | !dpkg get source |
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| 15:13.03 | enouf | dmseg: what on earth are you doing? or even thinking about? |
| 15:13.20 | enouf | dmseg: are you even running debian? |
| 15:13.25 | dmseg | enouf: i just need dpkg's source code |
| 15:13.36 | stew | dmseg: apt-get source dpkg |
| 15:13.39 | petemc | apt-get source dpkg |
| 15:13.39 | enouf | dmseg: visit packages.debian.org for info about pkgs |
| 15:13.46 | enouf | if you're not running debian |
| 15:13.52 | dmseg | enouf: not now running windows |
| 15:13.58 | dmseg | i mean dpkg the bot!! |
| 15:14.06 | mordy | enouf, i can't find anything in the repositories either |
| 15:14.14 | stew | dmseg: infobot.sf.net |
| 15:14.24 | enouf | mordy: i use neither, so i don't know, sorry |
| 15:14.48 | mordy | !freenx |
| 15:14.48 | dmseg | stew: i tried that but i need dpkg intact not infobot |
| 15:14.48 | dpkg | freenx is probably a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
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| 15:14.52 | enouf | mordy: i just always see people mentioning freenx/nomachine in the same sentence/phrase |
| 15:15.02 | stew | dmseg: /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 15:15.15 | dmseg | thankyou |
| 15:15.28 | enouf | !customer |
| 15:15.28 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 15:15.38 | mordy | lol |
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| 15:16.45 | bjwebb | hello |
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| 15:16.58 | bjwebb | is there any way to just get free packages from debian-multimedia? |
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| 15:17.24 | curtmack | liable: Explain to me again why a device which is not seated properly shows up on lspci? |
| 15:17.28 | curtmack | Because I didn't think that was possible. |
| 15:17.43 | mordy | physically seated? |
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| 15:18.58 | mordy | great, ekhis.org is down - now where do i get it? |
| 15:19.09 | curtmack | mordy: presumably that's what he means, yes |
| 15:19.10 | liable | curtmack: sure, when you explain why you think its the drivers fault once you changed slots. |
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| 15:19.56 | mordy | well, i guess the device identification is different than its functionality |
| 15:19.58 | cahoot | curtmack: checked if udev gives it a new name? |
| 15:20.10 | curtmack | cahoot: I'm not sure how to |
| 15:20.36 | cahoot | curtmack: nothing in ifconfig -a? |
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| 15:20.52 | enouf | curtmack: could ls -l /sys/class/net |
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| 15:20.59 | enouf | curtmack: /msg dpkg z25 |
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| 15:21.13 | enouf | erm, no need for -l there |
| 15:21.28 | mordy | enouf - but yeah, so many people mention it - but i can't seem to find where to get it - and the url in dpkg's info is outdated |
| 15:21.45 | enouf | is going to get some pancakes very soon o/ |
| 15:21.58 | enouf | mordy: using Etch? |
| 15:22.04 | mordy | yes |
| 15:22.08 | liable | curtmack: have you actually checked your kernel log after you changed slot? |
| 15:22.15 | enouf | mordy: hrm, checked backports.org? |
| 15:22.17 | deus___ | I guess I'm stupid, trying to install wine via apt-get install wine, which returns: wine: Depends: libldap2 (>= 2.1.17-1) but it is not going to be installed |
| 15:22.19 | liable | irq issues maybe? |
| 15:22.27 | mordy | yup - it's on my repositories |
| 15:22.39 | mordy | (backports, that is) |
| 15:22.42 | enouf | mordy: what's the issue then? |
| 15:22.47 | deus___ | any idea how to fix that? |
| 15:23.02 | mordy | enouf, i mean backports is in my repos - not nomachine or freenx |
| 15:23.13 | mordy | (nor no-machine, nor free-nx) |
| 15:23.24 | enouf | oh .. ran an update recently? .. |
| 15:23.29 | petemc | mordy: did you do anything as bold as typing freenx into google? |
| 15:23.37 | mordy | petemc - yes |
| 15:24.01 | petemc | mordy: did you then proceed to click on the links that google returned? |
| 15:24.02 | tuvwx | i want to install a build environment within my home dir. i don't have root access. where do i start? |
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| 15:24.12 | tuvwx | could it work if i compile gcc on another machine and copy the binary file structure to my home? (assuming i use the same file structure on both machines) |
| 15:24.21 | mordy | petemc - if you find me so incompetent and inept, why bother speaking to me? |
| 15:24.45 | enouf | tuvwx: why not just boot into a grml.org cd and use that as your build env .. perhaps |
| 15:24.50 | petemc | i like talking to incompetent and inept people |
| 15:24.58 | petemc | makes me feel better about myself |
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| 15:25.17 | mordy | well, i'm ignoring you, so you'll need to seek elsewhere for your entertainment |
| 15:25.21 | tuvwx | enouf, it's a remote machine. i don't have physical or root access |
| 15:25.45 | petemc | mordy: theres a not so subtle message in my sarcastic remarks |
| 15:25.47 | enouf | mordy: possible you could make your own backport if it is in lenny .. but might not be so easy - depends on what it needs, like if it needs a newer libc6 .. that might not work out well ;-) |
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| 15:26.12 | enouf | tuvwx: well, i'm not sure where to start either then .. |
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| 15:26.38 | enouf | tuvwx: maybe install/use debootstrap into your /home/dir ? |
| 15:26.50 | enouf | one of your /home /dirs i mean |
| 15:26.58 | deus___ | huh, when I try to install libldap2, apt wants to remove like every packet I have installed on my system, including gdm .. :D |
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| 15:27.13 | tuvwx | enouf, that was my first attempt. no root access -> can't chroot to the debian root |
| 15:27.22 | enouf | bah, you can't install if you're not root then? |
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| 15:27.56 | enouf | what's teh point :-P .. i'm sure there's some workaround hacks, that involve copying crap from elsewhere .. not my thing though |
| 15:28.08 | liable | and chattr |
| 15:28.16 | tuvwx | enouf, what i'm thinking is: compile gcc in another machine with existing gcc, and then copy the binary file structure to my home in the remote machine. you think that could work? |
| 15:28.23 | mordy | enouf - i'm using lenny on this computer and searched for it - can't find it there either :( |
| 15:28.30 | enouf | tuvwx: no idea |
| 15:29.06 | enouf | mordy: You have searched for packages that names contain freenx in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results |
| 15:29.16 | tuvwx | any idea where to i look to deal with such situations? |
| 15:29.29 | tuvwx | s/to i/to |
| 15:29.41 | enouf | mordy: You have searched for packages that names contain nomachine in all suites, all sections, and all architectures. Sorry, your search gave no results <-- so you need source and to build it yourself |
| 15:29.52 | enouf | unless you trust some deb from elsewhere |
| 15:30.01 | enouf | but i would build it |
| 15:30.13 | petemc | i use the nomachine debs, they work fine |
| 15:30.19 | mordy | i wouldn't mind that -but maybe i'll see if i can build it - but they say that the nomachine components are 'hard to build' |
| 15:30.21 | enouf | oh, ok .. |
| 15:30.27 | erawfish | tuvwx: get the gcc from debian and unpack it to your ~ |
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| 15:30.36 | erawfish | do not install with dpkg, but unpack dpkg -x or so |
| 15:30.45 | erawfish | mordy: freenx.com |
| 15:30.56 | enouf | mordy: others who know are giving you good advice |
| 15:30.58 | erawfish | enouf: the debian debs should be fine |
| 15:31.06 | ocK | #Brazilian :) |
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| 15:31.23 | enouf | erawfish: what debian debs? |
| 15:31.36 | enouf | and fine for who? |
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| 15:32.15 | mordy | erawfish - freenx.com doesn't exist |
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| 15:32.37 | mordy | like telling me to go to sites that don't exist... |
| 15:32.39 | p3rti | hi |
| 15:32.48 | mordy | and click on google search results |
| 15:32.55 | enouf | mordy: people make minor errors, please .. grow up .. |
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| 15:33.10 | enouf | mordy: the factoid told you it's nomachine.com |
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| 15:33.32 | enouf | and if neither work, maybe your crappy browser needs a www. prepended |
| 15:33.42 | mordy | hehe, tried that |
| 15:33.45 | enouf | ok .. pancackes! |
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| 15:34.27 | my007ms | i am search for any software can help me in design like vision but for linux |
| 15:34.30 | mordy | but isn't nomachine nxserver? |
| 15:34.45 | pickcoder | pancakes are inflated crepes |
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| 15:35.31 | stew | crepes are anemic pancakes |
| 15:35.59 | pickcoder | so you're a half-emtpy type eh? |
| 15:36.04 | mordy | the freenx site is freenx.berlios.de/ btw |
| 15:36.06 | jelly | :google define:crepe |
| 15:36.16 | stew | !dict crepe |
| 15:36.20 | dpkg | Dictionary 'crepe' (4 of 5): small very thin pancake ;; a soft thin light fabric with a crinkled surface ;; cover or drape with crape; "crape the mirror" ;; paper with a crinkled texture; usually colored and used for decorations . |
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| 15:36.41 | jelly | stew: thanks |
| 15:36.59 | p3rti | i have my own mirror with apt-proxy.. it say when it finish that i can "clean" the package.. i-m wiorried this action will delete all i download? |
| 15:37.02 | asg | stew: so, a pancake that tastes like thin fabric or paper ... sounds about right |
| 15:37.28 | jelly | asg: at least it doesn't taste like styrofoam! |
| 15:37.41 | asg | jelly: true |
| 15:37.45 | idimmu | asg how does making something thinner change it's taste? |
| 15:37.48 | stew | asg: yeah, you have to cover them with nutella |
| 15:37.52 | idimmu | it tastes the same |
| 15:38.08 | asg | stew: now you're talking! |
| 15:38.16 | stew | idimmu: when they are so thin you can't fit the blueberries in them |
| 15:38.41 | idimmu | wrap the blueberries up in them o// |
| 15:39.15 | pickcoder | layered with duxelle |
| 15:39.16 | pickcoder | mm |
| 15:39.38 | mordy | does anyone here actually use freenx? how did you get it? |
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| 15:40.48 | idimmu | mordy : http://wiki.debian.org/freenx |
| 15:41.13 | asg | idimmu: this one doesn't like to click on links |
| 15:41.24 | idimmu | what a fag |
| 15:41.30 | petemc | thats not very pc |
| 15:41.38 | idimmu | neithers my mac |
| 15:41.44 | petemc | thats just not funny |
| 15:42.00 | idimmu | im a sysadmin not a clown |
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| 15:42.16 | aronofsky | hi, is there to get somewhere a list of lastest version of each debian package on stable release for exemple ? |
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| 15:42.49 | stew | idimmu: i'm silencing you for 10 minutes. please refrain from name-calling and other emotive speech |
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| 15:43.16 | aronofsky | Actually a I got a centralized listing of all packages on all my machines and I want to compare those listings with up2date packages to know whic computers are not up2date ? |
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| 15:43.31 | themill | liable: glad you approve :) |
| 15:45.25 | asg | aronofsky: how many machines do you have? |
| 15:45.58 | mordy | asg - if you were following the conversation at all, and if you even clicked on all the links pasted or suggested, you'd see they either lead to a single destination: building freenx from source |
| 15:46.16 | pickcoder | aronofsky: keeps seeing a red hat everytime he sees up2date |
| 15:46.30 | pickcoder | s/keeps/keep |
| 15:46.44 | mordy | and while there may be some packages in the debianbase.de they are all for i386 and nothing there for amd64 |
| 15:47.08 | aronofsky | asg: a lot, thats's why I cant do something on each machine, I got to use that centralized listing |
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| 15:47.45 | liable | themill: seems i'm on my own irt to its nastiness though, which somewhat surprises me. |
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| 15:47.48 | asg | aronofsky: you might install cron-apt on each and have it send you an email when new packages are ready to download or have been downloaded ready for installation. |
| 15:47.51 | greeg | hi |
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| 15:48.19 | p3rti | i have my own mirror with apt-proxy.. it say when it finish that i can "clean" the package.. i-m wiorried this action will delete all i download? |
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| 15:48.47 | aronofsky | asg: that could be a solution, But i really need to proceed as I suggest ... any way to get last available version of each package , |
| 15:48.48 | mordy | but hey, it's always easier to put the blame on someone else. just don't say you helped |
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| 15:50.35 | asg | aronofsky: if you are running stable only (not odd backports, lenny bids, sid cruft) then the list of DSAs that come out will tell you all updates that occur. You may also want to look at the rX release notes to see if non-security updates where introduced (i.e., rdesktop in r1, etc.) |
| 15:50.41 | greeg | whats a hasle free cd audio ripper ? |
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| 15:51.01 | themill | liable: not entirely on your own. I agree.... you shouldn't use chattr when you can use a simple config setting. chattr is a timebomb waiting to make life hell either because you'll forget that you've done it or $package starts treating it as a fatal error when it can't write to /etc/resolv.conf (I'm wondering if we need an unfixresolvconf factoid...). |
| 15:51.06 | curtmack | okay, in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules I found a rule that sets ath0 |
| 15:51.15 | deus___ | when I try to execute "apt-get install wine", i get the following error: http://pastebin.com/m6756cf42 . but when executing "apt-get intall libldap2" i get this message, which is kinda odd: http://pastebin.com/d824f69b |
| 15:51.28 | deus___ | anybody knows how to fix this? |
| 15:51.50 | aronofsky | asg: i dont really get it , what did you mean by "the list of DSAs that come out" ? |
| 15:51.56 | curtmack | I removed it, but now I don't know how to get udev to rebuild it |
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| 15:52.13 | acidslep | HI |
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| 15:52.22 | geggam | themill, opendnsd default appended to resolv.conf ? |
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| 15:52.31 | geggam | er opendns |
| 15:52.44 | nkuttler | deus___: paste your sources.list |
| 15:52.54 | pumpkin0 | can bash do float-ops, like 1.0/3.0 ? And how ? |
| 15:52.55 | acidslep | haha, mines not working either |
| 15:53.10 | deus___ | nkuttler, hang on |
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| 15:53.13 | pickcoder | mordy: so build a package from source on your AMD64 |
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| 15:53.40 | greeg | whats a hasle free audio cd ripper ? |
| 15:53.46 | geggam | greeg grip |
| 15:53.48 | cahoot | abcde |
| 15:53.56 | liable | themill: dunno, i've a little surprised from comments recieved here. there gotta be a way, but seems no-one cares too much.. |
| 15:53.57 | stew | aronofsky: list of DSAs would be http://security.debian.org if you need to be advised when these come out, subscribe to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
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| 15:54.02 | mordy | meh, i guess i'll try - although the instructions are rather above my head at this stage. but i guess i'd need to learn it eventually anyway |
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| 15:54.23 | curtmack | Okay, let me put it this way: I have a PCI device 063c:001a. I want udev to turn that into a device called ath0. How do I do that? |
| 15:54.43 | deus___ | nkuttler, i tried with only "deb http://wine.budgetdedicated.com/apt etch main" in the sources.list, and after an "apt-get update" it didn't change much |
| 15:54.44 | thms | I can't boot the debian 4.0r3 CD, even with the nodma option, is there a newer CD or something ? |
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| 15:55.20 | deus___ | but my "normal" sources.list is huge ~~ |
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| 15:55.39 | nkuttler | deus___: that's your problem. probably mixing stable/testing or something similar |
| 15:55.40 | pickcoder | !tell mordy about simple sid backport |
| 15:55.50 | aronofsky | ok I see , but that will only gave me updates since the last DSA right ? |
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| 15:56.07 | pickcoder | instead of the sid repos, use the freenx repos |
| 15:56.48 | deus___ | thx |
| 15:56.54 | deus___ | i'll try to fix |
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| 15:58.37 | mordy | well, i've got the sid debs now - let's see if it will install |
| 15:58.53 | aronofsky | Actually my problematic is quite simple, I the the complete list of packages of a given machine in a file ( I cant do anything on that machine BTW ) and I want to know if that machine is up2date ... how could do the comparaison ? on wich basis ? |
| 15:59.14 | greeg | geggam: so where does it rip the files to ? |
| 15:59.33 | geggam | generally where you configure it too greeg |
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| 16:00.51 | geggam | aronofsky, shell scripting and dpkg -l ? |
| 16:01.03 | greeg | it doesent say. |
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| 16:01.12 | greeg | i didnt configure anything, yet it finished ripping. |
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| 16:01.34 | geggam | try looking for a directory in your home with the name grip or .grip |
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| 16:01.38 | geggam | or music |
| 16:01.57 | stew | greeg: its a tabbed client, one of the tabs will have the configuration which says where to drop the ripped files |
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| 16:02.12 | geggam | this is kinda funny tho... generally the VIP level people are the ones who save things and lose them |
| 16:02.23 | curtmack | Okay. /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules. How do I force udev/Debian to rebuild it? |
| 16:02.28 | aronofsky | geggam: yeah I was thinking about that, it supposes the machine on which the script run is up2date but it seems possible |
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| 16:02.50 | thms | I can't boot the debian 4.0r3 CD, even with the nodma option, is there a newer CD or something ? |
| 16:03.05 | stew | thms: that is the newest. what happens when you try to boot it |
| 16:03.06 | geggam | does up2date offer advantages over apt-get that i dunno about aronofsky ? |
| 16:03.07 | mordy | hmm... gnbd-* is what i want? |
| 16:03.18 | enouf | curtmack: /lib/udev/write_net_rules iinm |
| 16:03.26 | aronofsky | geggam: what is up2date , |
| 16:03.28 | aronofsky | ? |
| 16:03.38 | thms | stew: I've DMA error hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 16:03.43 | geggam | dunno but u are talking about it aronofsky |
| 16:03.45 | deus___ | nkuttler, here is my source.list: http://paste.uni.cc/19158. I'm using Lenny |
| 16:03.45 | thms | even with nodma |
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| 16:04.01 | aronofsky | geggam: no norry , i just meant up to date |
| 16:04.04 | geggam | ah |
| 16:04.09 | curtmack | enouf: it says I'm "Missing $INTERFACE," and I don't know what to put in there. |
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| 16:04.41 | geggam | up2date is a redhat updating tool aronofsky |
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| 16:05.04 | aronofsky | geggam: the solution with dpkg got a problem tough, you will only be able to compare package that are installed on the machine that runs the script , right ? |
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| 16:05.14 | pickcoder | geggam: yes.. you can offer money to keep getting updates |
| 16:05.20 | pickcoder | nice bonus! |
| 16:05.23 | greeg | ahh they're under ~/ogg |
| 16:05.24 | geggam | aronofsky, look into fai |
| 16:05.27 | greeg | thanx folks sounds good |
| 16:05.28 | fatcat83 | is it possible to set up swraid + dm-crypt + lvm with the lenny installer? because i'm always getting "waiting for root-filesystem" after booting and the cryptsetup prompt doesnt show up.... without the swraid it works fine |
| 16:05.38 | reisi | any idea how could i get the intel ICH9 onboard ethernet card to work? |
| 16:05.47 | reisi | etch doesn't seem to have a driver for it |
| 16:05.52 | enouf | ls /sys/class/net .. no idea how your udev rules got so messed up, mine are simple SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx", NAME="eth0" |
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| 16:06.10 | aronofsky | geggam: fai , what's the link ? |
| 16:06.17 | geggam | www.google.com |
| 16:06.19 | enouf | curtmack: are you on etch? |
| 16:06.37 | curtmack | lenny |
| 16:06.40 | enouf | fatcat83: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/RAIDvsCrypto?highlight=%28Raid%29 |
| 16:06.43 | geggam | its like kickstart but better |
| 16:06.43 | curtmack | should I downgrade to etch? |
| 16:06.47 | aronofsky | geggam: I know what FAI is, i just dont seenthe point here |
| 16:06.55 | enouf | fatcat83: and/or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491114 |
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| 16:07.15 | geggam | then u dont know what it is |
| 16:07.18 | enouf | curtmack: well, then you didn't pay attention to the factoid info |
| 16:07.20 | geggam | and should read more |
| 16:07.22 | enouf | !z25 |
| 16:07.22 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 16:07.30 | aronofsky | geggam: Fully Automatic Installation , right ? |
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| 16:07.31 | abrotman | !tell geggam about u |
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| 16:07.40 | enouf | oh .. not sure curtmack .. which version ytou have? |
| 16:07.40 | tuvwx | what's the env. var. for lib. path? |
| 16:07.41 | fatcat83 | enouf: ty |
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| 16:07.44 | geggam | i remeber u abrotman ... remember this ? |
| 16:07.48 | stew | thms: that is generally a sign that your hard drive is dying or dead |
| 16:07.50 | liable | curtmack: if you reload ath-pci, it will rebuild the file |
| 16:07.51 | geggam | ! tell abrotman about assrape |
| 16:08.01 | curtmack | okay, I'll try that |
| 16:08.02 | spx2 | given a URL under which there is a file is it possible to find out the size of the file without actually downloading the file ? |
| 16:08.03 | enouf | curtmack: no, don't try and downgrade anything |
| 16:08.04 | docmax_ | got a quick question |
| 16:08.13 | docmax_ | how can i disable font smoothing? |
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| 16:08.16 | docmax_ | globally |
| 16:08.25 | abrotman | someone doesn't know how to use the bot |
| 16:08.29 | pickcoder | reisi: what device Id is it |
| 16:08.31 | mimcpher | I've written my own script that I use to put my laptop to sleep (It doesn't work out-of-box). I'd like this to work with other utilities (like kpowersave). Has anybody got any docs on how I should set this up properly, instead of my own hacked together script? |
| 16:08.38 | curtmack | well it occurred to me right after I said it that if I don't have a net connection, it'd be pretty hard to downgrade anything |
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| 16:08.54 | reisi | pickcoder: intel : 10bd |
| 16:09.03 | spx2 | mimcpher: how did you write that script ? |
| 16:09.26 | enouf | mimcpher: pretty sure there might be a bug about kpowersave .. check out BTS - IINM, it does work for many though - i don't use any of that stuff though |
| 16:09.29 | reisi | pickcoder: lspci (on etch) shows that it's unknown, the chipset is quite new |
| 16:09.44 | enouf | update-pciids |
| 16:09.47 | abrotman | aronofsky: up to date compared to what? (and no .. it has nothing to do with FAI) |
| 16:09.53 | liable | curtmack: you cant really downgrade anyway |
| 16:09.56 | enouf | and update-usbids while you're at it |
| 16:09.59 | tuvwx | how do i make a program look for libraries in a particular path? |
| 16:10.02 | geggam | to put a box to sleep .... echo mem > /sys/power/state |
| 16:10.08 | mimcpher | enouf, kpowersave was an example. My script uses s2ram with some workarounds and some other stuff to sucessfully sleep. |
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| 16:10.25 | aronofsky | abrotman: up to date compared to last available versions of packages on stable mirrors |
| 16:10.26 | enouf | ok, oh well |
| 16:10.33 | eshat | @ALL: Gnome does not mount USB Sticks automaticlly, what am I doing wrong ? |
| 16:10.39 | thms | stew: for sure ? I've a gentoo installation on it and it's working |
| 16:10.45 | enouf | !tell eshat -about automount |
| 16:10.47 | abrotman | eshat: are you in the plugdev group ? |
| 16:11.02 | dudeman | khey |
| 16:11.05 | abrotman | aronofsky: but if you haven't run `aptitude update` .. what's the difference? |
| 16:11.06 | dudeman | whats up |
| 16:11.10 | enouf | !tell eshat -about selftell |
| 16:11.13 | curtmack | enouf: okay, I'll try that |
| 16:11.27 | eshat | abrotman: I don"t think so |
| 16:11.29 | docmax_ | how can i disable font antialiasing in X? |
| 16:11.38 | dudeman | my keyboard stopped working in a konsole window, so I had to start anotherone. I can right click in the konsole window and paste stuff, I can switch tabs, but it wont' accept any keyboard input |
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| 16:11.43 | dudeman | what to do!? |
| 16:11.43 | stew | thms: it can be a bad cable or overheating. i'd recommend getting everything important off that drive immediately. you can use smartmontools to check the internal health reporting of that drive to verify |
| 16:11.56 | mimcpher | docmax_, I'm curious as to why you'd want to do that. |
| 16:11.59 | stew | thms: google for that error, you'll see lots of other people with dying drives |
| 16:12.01 | pickcoder | reisi: you may be outta luck unless you can find module source to support it, and build a custom module for it |
| 16:12.02 | enouf | dudeman: ctrl-c |
| 16:12.07 | asg | dudeman: if you press 'CTRL+Q' in the frozen window, does it unfreeze? |
| 16:12.12 | abrotman | stew: some people with that error have a bad DMA setting |
| 16:12.22 | dudeman | nope |
| 16:12.29 | dudeman | keyboard just doesn't work in this window |
| 16:12.31 | docmax_ | mimcpher, non antialiased fonts look sharper |
| 16:12.32 | enouf | dudeman: how about 'fg %1' |
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| 16:12.35 | dudeman | ok |
| 16:12.42 | dudeman | should I try this in a new konsole window? |
| 16:12.48 | pickcoder | e1000 and e1000e should work |
| 16:12.53 | stew | abrotman: oh yeah? news to me. he gets it with nodma he says, does that make a difference? |
| 16:12.59 | aronofsky | abrotman : my problematic is the following , I got the complete list of packages of a given machine in a file ( I cant do anything on that machine BTW ) and I want to know if that machine is up to date, so i need to develop a script to use that data file and analize it ... |
| 16:13.00 | thms | stew: I saw that, I had a problem with it: a partition dead on gentoo |
| 16:13.02 | reisi | pickcoder: so i read... i'll go try to force them |
| 16:13.02 | enouf | no the none working one - but you can easily just close that tab and reopen it again |
| 16:13.07 | dudeman | bash: fg: %1: no such job |
| 16:13.13 | dudeman | well |
| 16:13.14 | pickcoder | reisi: is the e1000 loaded? |
| 16:13.16 | dudeman | i don't wanna lose my tabs |
| 16:13.19 | abrotman | stew: no idea .. i've just seen people that that show the error then toggle DMA and it goes away |
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| 16:13.26 | enouf | you don't lose them |
| 16:13.39 | stew | thms: check smartmontools to see if the drive itself thinks its healthy |
| 16:13.44 | abrotman | aronofsky: you could write a perl script to get the Packages.gz from the mirrors and compare it |
| 16:13.50 | enouf | you close teh tab/xterm not the entire session |
| 16:13.58 | reisi | pickcoder: i guess it didin't even try as the pci id didin't match |
| 16:13.58 | dudeman | well I can easily just close the window, start it again and make the tabs again but i'd like to figure out WHY this is happeneing |
| 16:14.17 | enouf | right click on the tab >> close session |
| 16:14.21 | aronofsky | abrotman: thats an idea, how can I get that packages.gz easily ? |
| 16:14.38 | enouf | it's not happening .. it did happen , according to you |
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| 16:14.53 | enouf | or do you mean keeps happening |
| 16:14.57 | curtmack | update-pciids didn't seem to help anything |
| 16:15.00 | abrotman | aronofsky: wget :) |
| 16:15.07 | dudeman | enouf, konsole window A == 10 tabs (i don't wanna lose, but this window ANY TAB, will not accept keyboard input, mouse is ok). konsole B == new konsole window with irssi and 1 more tab, and keyboard/mouse both work here. |
| 16:15.16 | curtmack | neither did reloading ath_pci |
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| 16:15.24 | curtmack | or reinstalling madwifi for that matter |
| 16:15.25 | enouf | curtmack: sorry, that was meant for reisi |
| 16:15.29 | curtmack | oh, okay |
| 16:15.30 | abrotman | aronofsky: it might take you awhile .. not sure how worth it the time it will be for you |
| 16:15.45 | curtmack | well all right then, that's one question solved |
| 16:15.47 | enouf | dudeman: i dunno then .. |
| 16:15.53 | dudeman | you're useless ;) |
| 16:16.00 | dudeman | and you dont even use kde do you |
| 16:16.01 | enouf | i have konsole with 10 tabs open |
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| 16:16.03 | aronofsky | abrotman: do you got an URL to gave me |
| 16:16.04 | docmax_ | how can i completly disable font antialiasing in X? |
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| 16:16.06 | dudeman | you do? |
| 16:16.09 | dudeman | I thought you were a gnome user |
| 16:16.12 | dudeman | huh. |
| 16:16.13 | enouf | and if anyone of those gives me grief i KILL the bastard |
| 16:16.18 | curtmack | enouf: I should mention, in /etc/.../z25_persistent-net.rules, I found the mapping for ath0, and I removed it. |
| 16:16.33 | curtmack | does that change anything? |
| 16:16.45 | dudeman | enouf, so when did you start to use KDE, you lamer with the 100 year old hardware! |
| 16:16.49 | enouf | curtmack: dpkg -l udev | tail -n 1 |
| 16:16.55 | abrotman | aronofsky: for example http://ftp.ca.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/ |
| 16:16.57 | dudeman | actually you should try it man, kde isn't bloat no mopre |
| 16:17.02 | curtmack | and tell you the version? |
| 16:17.02 | pickcoder | reisi: sometimes all it takes is a few code changes in the module to get it to recognize the device. I'm looking at the code for e1000 on Etch |
| 16:17.06 | curtmack | got it |
| 16:17.16 | dudeman | pokes enouf in the tummy |
| 16:17.17 | enouf | dudeman: i use konsole + klipper and a gui irc client from kde - that's it |
| 16:17.36 | dudeman | gui irc? dude... not even irssi. hmm you kinda suck ;) |
| 16:17.40 | enouf | dudeman: an it's none of your business how i know so much about things i don't even use :-P |
| 16:17.45 | dudeman | heh |
| 16:17.50 | dudeman | well its good, thanks for trying tohelp |
| 16:17.58 | dudeman | #kde didn't know |
| 16:18.07 | dudeman | i gues i'll just kill the window and restart konsole |
| 16:18.08 | curtmack | udev 0.114-2 |
| 16:18.14 | enouf | dudeman: better simmer down, ...unless you want a spanking maybe? |
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| 16:18.30 | shefqeti | entaro: adun |
| 16:18.32 | pickcoder | looks like e1000 on etch only supports 10/100 and the ich8 set |
| 16:18.33 | dudeman | you gonna spank me? grampa :) |
| 16:18.39 | pickcoder | so a simple device hack won't work |
| 16:18.39 | curtmack | "entaro" makes me think of "Hamtaro" :P |
| 16:18.40 | enouf | curtmack: ok, that's not the newer one |
| 16:18.51 | reisi | pickcoder: i guess it's just an alias away |
| 16:18.59 | enouf | dudeman: yes, me and dpkg ;-) |
| 16:19.00 | reisi | pickcoder: it didin't find the device that is.. |
| 16:19.05 | dudeman | enouf, hey msg man |
| 16:19.08 | reisi | shitshithsit |
| 16:19.08 | dudeman | check it |
| 16:19.11 | pickcoder | reisi: you can scrap with ndiswrapper if you're up to it |
| 16:19.14 | enouf | ... |
| 16:19.14 | curtmack | well, I'm going to get some lunch, so if I don't respond in a while, that's why... |
| 16:19.21 | curtmack | thanks for the help btw |
| 16:19.37 | deus___ | isn't libldap2 available for lenny? O.o |
| 16:19.37 | pickcoder | else try m-a with the newer e1000 source |
| 16:19.49 | reisi | pickcoder: m-a? |
| 16:19.55 | pickcoder | m-a |
| 16:19.57 | pickcoder | !m-a |
| 16:19.57 | dpkg | i heard module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 16:20.32 | abrotman | deus___: you need security sources |
| 16:20.49 | docmax_ | how can i completly disable font antialiasing in X? |
| 16:20.51 | deus___ | thanks |
| 16:20.58 | pickcoder | (you'd probably want to avoid NDIS in this case) |
| 16:21.07 | dudeman | docmax_, why? |
| 16:21.33 | docmax_ | dudeman, i want it so |
| 16:21.37 | dudeman | docmax_, first try your desktop env. font settings, and if tht doesn't wor,, dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config and disable autohinting or something |
| 16:21.39 | reisi | pickcoder: hmm ok thanks.. are you suggesting i find a patch to enable 10bd support or ... does module-assistant include some functionality for this |
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| 16:22.36 | pickcoder | reisi: you'll probably want to obtain the most recent stable source. 2.6.22 supposedly recognizes the device |
| 16:22.51 | pickcoder | so whatever version it has is the one to start from |
| 16:22.53 | Nyle | what is the latest kernel in lenny? |
| 16:23.01 | Nyle | too lazy to check pdo |
| 16:23.06 | Nyle | or what is lenny gonna ship with? |
| 16:23.11 | pickcoder | !info linux-image lenny |
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| 16:23.25 | Nyle | maybe 2.6.24 |
| 16:23.26 | Nyle | ? |
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| 16:23.33 | pickcoder | dpkg needs some wheaties |
| 16:23.33 | dpkg | pickcoder: no idea |
| 16:23.46 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:23.49 | drwahl | i was tinkering around with my desktop settings and i saw a feature under Configure Desktop -> Behavior to "allow programs in desktop window", but how do i make a program use the 'desktop window'? |
| 16:24.14 | reisi | pickcoder: hmm this is starting to look promising.. i didin't know debian had more recent kernels at all :) too bad memories from the old days... :) |
| 16:24.17 | pickcoder | !info linux-image-686 lenny |
| 16:24.21 | dpkg | linux-image-686: (Linux image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.25+14 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 16:24.38 | pickcoder | reisi: a kernel from backports may work |
| 16:24.39 | shefqeti | I wonder, if I have a system with a stock kernel installed. Then later on a device, say network card shows up that needs a module that is not in the stock kernel precompiled. If I have the .deb for the source package of the corresponding stock kernel and I compile the module in a different machine, would this compiled module work if I transfered it to the first original machine ? |
| 16:24.47 | ArthurArchnix | Can someone explain this to me... I'm looking at the release critical bugs, and even though they say Lenny is just a few months way, it's still almost higher than at the worst point of etch's development cycle. What I really want to know is, why has the number pretty much consistantly gone up since 2001? There's a sharp drop when it's frozen, then a sharp increase when new development starts, but overall, it's up, up, up... a |
| 16:24.56 | ArthurArchnix | oh and ... none of this... plz.... |
| 16:24.59 | ArthurArchnix | !ideas |
| 16:24.59 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little thermal paste, and a dozen sex-crazed weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few hours! |
| 16:25.05 | geggam | Linux lappy2 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 17:46:56 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:25.09 | geggam | reisi, |
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| 16:25.31 | ArthurArchnix | release critical bugs http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 16:25.38 | enouf | curtmack: listen, not sure what to tell you, others here know wifi, i don't - but note this file's existance; /etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules |
| 16:25.50 | reisi | ok if only i could then add this new kernel from backports to my live image.. |
| 16:26.05 | pickcoder | !backports |
| 16:26.06 | dpkg | it has been said that backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 16:26.19 | pickcoder | !backports.org |
| 16:26.20 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 16:26.31 | enouf | curtmack: pretty sure someone told you to modprobe -r ath-whatever then modprobe it back |
| 16:26.52 | pickcoder | reisi: find the 2.6.25 kernel after you update from the backports repos and just install it |
| 16:26.55 | ArthurArchnix | If I had to guess, I'd say that there has been an increase of packages over that time... would that explain it? More packages, means more bugs, means more release critical... |
| 16:27.15 | ArthurArchnix | Or maybe the definition of release critical changed for the development of etch? |
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| 16:27.55 | pickcoder | reisi: http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 16:27.56 | pickcoder | bbiab |
| 16:28.13 | stew | ArthurArchnix: i think that the higher number of bugs this release cycle is partially due to the increasing amounts of automated QA that is being done |
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| 16:28.53 | enouf | curtmack: i still say, it wouldn't hurt to reseat the card though - maybe only one pin/sleeve isn't contacting properly .. check your BIOS too for any funky IRQ routing settings - you should enable sharing - i asked you to compare dmesg outputs, and surely you could move the card back to orig slot temporarily just to boot and get info like that - anyways, i can't comment, when i give wifi advice, i get into trouble, since i suck |
| 16:29.03 | ArthurArchnix | stew... ok, hadn't thought of that one. But it makes sense. |
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| 16:31.33 | twobitwork | for some reason gnome-chess doesn't seem to be working... it doesn't display a chess board even though it seems to have a space for it |
| 16:32.00 | twobitwork | I don't see any recommended or suggested packages which would provide, e.g, image files |
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| 16:32.45 | docmax_ | dudeman, didnt work |
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| 16:33.06 | docmax_ | Nyle, didnt work |
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| 16:33.46 | stew | ArthurArchnix: for instance, look at the bugs coming from lucas: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?submitter=lucas@lucas-nussbaum.net (he's got a cluster of machines, and is constantly reubilding the archive to find bugs building packages) |
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| 16:34.09 | wamty_ | is cdrecord -v -pad speed=1 dev=0,0,0 src.iso sufficient to burn a bootable iso? |
| 16:35.32 | stew | wamty_: "cdrecord src.iso" should be sufficient, so, yes |
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| 16:37.02 | reisi | pickcoder: thanks for those links |
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| 16:37.19 | geggam | speed=1 is damn slow wamty_ |
| 16:37.35 | reisi | pickcoder: you don't happen to know how to force lh_build to use this new image? :) |
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| 16:38.03 | twobitwork | MikeJonez: ?? |
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| 16:38.14 | shefqeti | harvey dent. Reminds me of Arthur Dent |
| 16:38.48 | Nazz | i want a pangalactic gargleblaster |
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| 16:39.15 | shefqeti | Nazz: that's the weapon humma wanted ? |
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| 16:39.33 | shefqeti | Nazz: no. it was the drink |
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| 16:40.20 | Nazz | best drink in the universe |
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| 16:42.05 | iQwerty | Simple question: How to display the text in a textfile in a terminal window? I don't mean display with nano or vi, but just print out the contents and returning to a prompt |
| 16:42.14 | stew | iQwerty: cat filename |
| 16:42.25 | iQwerty | stew: Thanks!!! |
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| 16:43.22 | asg | stew: the next question is going to be how can I see it one page at a time |
| 16:43.59 | stew | asg: print it? |
| 16:44.17 | shefqeti | me thinks asg is being bad :p |
| 16:44.30 | stew | no, i had the same thought as asg |
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| 16:47.21 | miksuh | iQwerty: eg. less <file> |
| 16:47.29 | pickcoder | ponders a cli text factoid |
| 16:47.37 | pickcoder | head, tail, cat, less |
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| 16:48.15 | Rockj | anyone know why I have a inode table size at 616 000 ? how should I debug this? ( cat /proc/sys/fs/inode-nr ) |
| 16:48.33 | shefqeti | man less = opposite of more. I remember cursing the screen with a laugh when I first saw that |
| 16:48.43 | mordy | returns after a google search finding absolutely nothing sufficiently clear on building freenx or nomachine components |
| 16:48.53 | asg | pickcoder: it's should already be part of the unix fundamentals factoid |
| 16:49.12 | stew | shefqeti: there is also 'most' |
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| 16:49.38 | curtmack | Ah yes, pangalactic gargle blasters. |
| 16:49.48 | shefqeti | stew: oh didn't know about most |
| 16:50.07 | asg | shefqeti: a newer arrival to the very competitive pager space |
| 16:50.13 | shefqeti | curtmack: yea. the brain wrapped in lemon slices of a sort |
| 16:50.24 | mrts | are there .debs of python 2.6 or 3.0 somewhere? |
| 16:50.25 | stew | oh fruddled gruntbuggly |
| 16:50.48 | asg | stew: freddled |
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| 16:51.14 | asg | stew: they nicturations are to me as plureled gambelblodgets on a lurid bee |
| 16:51.20 | stew | asg: thy micturations are to thee, as plurdled gabablotchits |
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| 16:51.36 | curtmack | like smashing your brains out with a slice of lemon wrapped around a gold brick? |
| 16:51.43 | asg | stew: it's unfortunate that there isn't a good vogon poetry file for aspell |
| 16:51.45 | geggam | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:52.08 | asg | geggam: yes but then we get the silent treatment for 10 minutes |
| 16:52.20 | shefqeti | asg: this most looks nice. thanks for this, asg, stew |
| 16:52.20 | stew | its poetry |
| 16:52.36 | geggam | since when did linux go family ? |
| 16:52.42 | geggam | feels old |
| 16:53.01 | shefqeti | me want a POV Gun |
| 16:53.02 | asg | geggam: /msg dpkg fable |
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| 16:53.40 | bono | hi, |
| 16:53.42 | bono | can perl completely replace sed & awk? |
| 16:53.46 | asg | bono: yes |
| 16:53.57 | asg | bono: that's what it was designed to do, among other things |
| 16:54.15 | pickcoder | s/other/lots and lots of other |
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| 16:54.17 | stew | its a good place to go once awk is just becoming way too readable |
| 16:54.23 | asg | bono: however, sed and awk are faster for certain tasks |
| 16:54.28 | fugit | haha |
| 16:54.30 | valdyn | bono: every turing complete language can do that, why such a weird question_ |
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| 16:54.53 | bono | because |
| 16:55.07 | geggam | sad story asg |
| 16:55.11 | bono | i am wondering should i learn awk &sed or not |
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| 16:55.19 | idimmu | would like to see someone exec C code on the command line to to text manipulation |
| 16:55.22 | asg | geggam: such is life |
| 16:55.28 | geggam | this is true |
| 16:55.29 | valdyn | bono: you should leanr the parts of those tools that you need |
| 16:55.34 | valdyn | bono: you should learn the parts of those tools that you need |
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| 16:55.59 | bono | If perl can compleltely replace them both,i will take perl only |
| 16:56.13 | asg | bono: they are worth learning for two reasons: 1) You'll see sed and awk in your travels and 2) you may find yourself on a Unix without perl |
| 16:56.15 | geggam | but sometimes awk and sed are easier to use than perl |
| 16:56.23 | pickcoder | bono: cross-platform issues? |
| 16:56.31 | fugit | bono: you should learn enough with sed and awk to be comftorable |
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| 16:57.31 | fugit | bono: cli or rare machine with out perl (cli for perl is possible to I know) but sometimes awk/sed is just better |
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| 16:57.50 | fugit | s/better/easier/ |
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| 16:58.12 | bono | ok,thanks |
| 16:58.18 | bono | i got points |
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| 17:00.32 | wamty_ | stew: can i use reiser with grub? |
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| 17:00.47 | wamty_ | because i had problems using xfs with it |
| 17:00.55 | stew | wamty_: i'd guess so, but i don't really know, nor would I recommend using reiser with anything |
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| 17:02.40 | reisi | pickcoder: it'd seem that grml 1.1 is built with custom 2.6.23 kernel, i think i just abandom my own live cd for now :) |
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| 17:03.46 | DaskrEEch | Hello a |
| 17:03.53 | DaskrEEch | does anyone know about Megahal? |
| 17:04.09 | DaskrEEch | I've installed it but I can' seem to get a Rise out of it |
| 17:04.37 | DaskrEEch | the --help says that there is a -q option to make it quiet which seems to be turned on at start |
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| 17:04.56 | wols | wamty_: yes you can. but see what stew said |
| 17:04.57 | DaskrEEch | how do I remove that if that is indeed what is stopping it responding |
| 17:05.14 | wols | remove megahal? like any other package |
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| 17:06.00 | valdyn | switching xfs to reiser because of grub issues is just fucked up |
| 17:06.18 | wols | yep |
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| 17:09.12 | Nyle | enouf, well I had to restart konsole |
| 17:09.20 | Nyle | and I ended up losing all my tabs :( |
| 17:09.40 | Nazz | try screen :-) |
| 17:09.58 | Nyle | I know KDE save session saves the tabs and opens konsole as it was when i closed it, but I wonder if konsole can do what what kde session does with its tabs |
| 17:10.05 | Nyle | Nazz, I do use screen |
| 17:10.19 | Nyle | but I also have many konsole tabs open (I don't use screen fulltime) |
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| 17:10.41 | wamty_ | stew: Http://anti.teamidiot.de/nei/2006/10/debian_grubinstall_freeze_on_x/ |
| 17:10.43 | Nyle | valdyn, that is indeed very fucked up |
| 17:10.49 | Nyle | valdyn, but... |
| 17:11.06 | Nyle | valdyn, are you saying that switching FS because of a grub error is fucked up, or swtiching to RFS is fucked up? |
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| 17:11.29 | valdyn | Nyle: switching fs with entirely issues and qualities because of grub issues |
| 17:11.43 | valdyn | Nyle: switching fs with entirely *different* issues and qualities because of grub issues |
| 17:11.43 | Nyle | valdyn, yes I can agree with that |
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| 17:11.58 | wamty_ | stew? |
| 17:12.22 | Nyle | I thought for a second you had something against RFS (I've had it on my sid machine for many years as /home under constant use and reboots and blahblah, not once have I lost data or had a corrupted fs |
| 17:12.26 | Nyle | ) |
| 17:12.38 | valdyn | Nyle: reiserfs is ok |
| 17:12.40 | Nyle | and I am aware of the factoid regarding RFS too |
| 17:12.43 | Nyle | word |
| 17:12.59 | n-iCe | Nyle: !! |
| 17:12.59 | valdyn | Nyle: but for most uses its very hard to find a reason as to why to prefer it over ext3 |
| 17:13.18 | n-iCe | Nyle: can you tell me your images url, please |
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| 17:13.26 | Nyle | no real reasons though, back then I wanted to try diff FS and never bothered to do much switching later on |
| 17:13.38 | Nyle | one thing does piss me off is the huge RFS mount/umount time |
| 17:13.40 | stew | wamty_: yeah? |
| 17:13.53 | Nyle | ext is almost instantaneous, while reiser takes a long time on 500gb disk to mount |
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| 17:13.55 | Nyle | eew |
| 17:13.57 | Nyle | n-iCe, hi buddy |
| 17:14.00 | n-iCe | hi hi |
| 17:14.09 | Nyle | hang on |
| 17:14.47 | Nyle | n-iCe, http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1 |
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| 17:14.51 | mordy | where can i find good instruction (i.e. clear) on how to build freenx from source? (i've googled, but found nothing sufficient), and if some prerequisite knowledge is required of <...>, then where can i find something on <...>? |
| 17:15.09 | wols | mordy: WHX? |
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| 17:15.16 | Nyle | dpkg nyle.debian.wallpapers is http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1 <-- original debianwallpaper artwork by Nyle |
| 17:15.17 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 17:15.20 | Nyle | :D |
| 17:15.20 | wols | *why |
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| 17:15.23 | n3kl | mordy: what is freenx? |
| 17:15.28 | valdyn | Nyle: but my point was that reiserfs is good where xfs sucks and vice versa |
| 17:15.32 | wols | n3kl: google |
| 17:15.49 | Nyle | valdyn, I wasn't aware of the entire sitation regarding grub (in this particular context) |
| 17:15.50 | mordy | a terminal server that supports session persisting disconnect |
| 17:15.53 | Nyle | I just jumped in :) |
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| 17:16.07 | wols | mordy: I mant why compile? |
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| 17:16.11 | Nyle | valdyn, yes, each fs has pros and cons |
| 17:16.26 | mordy | wols, no deb available for my architecture |
| 17:16.33 | wols | which arch is this? |
| 17:16.37 | mordy | amd64 |
| 17:16.38 | Miko7 | Hi guys, i just have strange problems installing latest nvidia driver on my self compiled kernel 2.6.26 on debian testing. Has anyone knowledge of these settings and could help me? |
| 17:16.40 | valdyn | !freenx |
| 17:16.41 | dpkg | it has been said that freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
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| 17:17.12 | wols | mordy: bullshit |
| 17:17.13 | Nyle | freenx is pretty fast |
| 17:17.13 | salpicao | when does lenny come out ? |
| 17:17.23 | Nyle | salpicao, probably end of this year hopefully |
| 17:17.26 | wols | !tell salpicao WIR |
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| 17:17.37 | Nyle | salpicao, it really depends on when the release team considers it ready |
| 17:17.38 | mordy | wols - i've searched google for over an hour to find a deb - maybe i'm just looking in the wrong places? |
| 17:18.04 | wols | mordy: first google hit for freenx |
| 17:18.06 | Nyle | !rc bugs |
| 17:18.06 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
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| 17:18.17 | gsamsa | ok. |
| 17:18.23 | Miko7 | Hi guys, i just have strange problems installing latest nvidia driver on my self compiled kernel 2.6.26 on debian lenny. Has anyone knowledge of these settings and could help me? |
| 17:18.39 | Nyle | Miko7, provide more information |
| 17:18.47 | Nyle | !tell Miko7 -about ask |
| 17:18.58 | Miko7 | What do you need Nyle? I cant paste the hole error log in here |
| 17:19.04 | Nyle | !paster |
| 17:19.04 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:19.07 | pickcoder | that linkux.lk link is dead |
| 17:19.10 | Nyle | try to paste here |
| 17:19.12 | Nyle | in pastebin |
| 17:19.17 | wols | Miko7: nvidia.com drivers? |
| 17:19.20 | Miko7 | yes |
| 17:19.21 | Miko7 | wols |
| 17:19.28 | wols | n3kl: not supported. ask #nvidia |
| 17:19.36 | wols | Miko7: not supported. ask #nvidia |
| 17:19.42 | wols | !tell Miko7 about nvidia_lenny |
| 17:19.43 | Miko7 | ah okay :-( |
| 17:19.48 | Nyle | !nvidia_lenny |
| 17:19.48 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 17:19.50 | Nyle | doh |
| 17:20.15 | mordy | wols, if you mean this http://packages.debianbase.de/ (linked from the first google hit) i assume the place to find it would be here: http://packages.debianbase.de/etch/amd64/gnbd/ |
| 17:20.26 | Nyle | amphi, pin |
| 17:20.33 | Miko7 | wols i just have a deb-source line. i downloaded the driver from nvidia.com |
| 17:20.38 | valdyn | theres 3 different nvidia legacy now_ |
| 17:20.39 | valdyn | theres 3 different nvidia legacy now? |
| 17:20.47 | valdyn | this is kinda confusign |
| 17:20.49 | Nyle | amphi, new compiz-confusion plugin release, snow, rain, falling leaves, swimming fishies... etc. etc. |
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| 17:20.52 | wols | Miko7: as I said: nvidia.com downloaded not supported here. it also breaks your debian |
| 17:20.58 | Miko7 | wols, the kernel is self-compiled so i dont need to download the sources via apt-get |
| 17:21.04 | Nyle | amphi, are you aware of this? do you know of any debian packages for this? |
| 17:21.15 | Miko7 | wols, it never broke my debian before |
| 17:21.23 | wols | Miko7: I don't care what you do. nvidia.com drivers fuck up your debian and are not supported. please recognize this |
| 17:21.41 | Nyle | hmm i wonder if that factoid contains the warning |
| 17:21.43 | Nyle | !nvidia |
| 17:21.43 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch> |
| 17:21.54 | Nazz | !ati |
| 17:21.54 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 17:21.59 | Miko7 | I cant install binary debian nvidia driver because its just not out for my kernel and wount be out the next 6 months like debian always needs |
| 17:22.02 | Miko7 | wols, |
| 17:22.03 | wols | what's the problem you haev with debian nvidia-driver releases anyways? |
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| 17:22.12 | Nyle | dpkg nvidia is also nvidia.com drivers are not supported in #debian so please go to #nvidia. |
| 17:22.12 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 17:22.14 | wols | Miko7: bullshit |
| 17:22.26 | wols | Miko7: what drivers did you get from nvidia.com? |
| 17:22.30 | Miko7 | then tell me the package to install wols |
| 17:22.39 | Miko7 | i got 1.73 |
| 17:22.40 | Nyle | the bot did |
| 17:22.43 | wols | Miko7: I did. if you are too lazy to read factoids... |
| 17:22.43 | Miko7 | 1.173 wols |
| 17:22.48 | wols | !info nvidia-gx |
| 17:22.50 | Miko7 | factoids? |
| 17:22.51 | wols | !info nvidia-glx |
| 17:22.51 | epoxy|w3rk | hides |
| 17:22.53 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: (NVIDIA binary Xorg driver), section non-free/x11, is optional. Version: 173.14.09-2 (sid), Packaged size: 7500 kB, Installed size: 22240 kB |
| 17:22.58 | wols | Miko7: see? |
| 17:23.00 | Nyle | !tell Miko7 -about dpkgbot |
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| 17:23.06 | Miko7 | wols, i dont have sid i have lenny |
| 17:23.07 | Nyle | !tell Miko7 -about nvidia_lenny |
| 17:23.09 | stew | Miko7: look at the description of the nvidia-glx pacakge (apt-cache show nvidia-glx) |
| 17:23.19 | Nyle | Miko7, well they are not so different from each other |
| 17:23.22 | wols | Miko7: you only said that cuase you didn't read the factoid you were given |
| 17:23.31 | wols | 19:19 <dpkg> told Miko7 about nvidia_lenny (1) Add a .... |
| 17:23.44 | wols | your client has it. now read it instead of arguing |
| 17:24.01 | Miko7 | i dont know what you want wols |
| 17:24.05 | Nyle | and come back with a slightly better understandin of the procedure |
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| 17:24.10 | Nyle | Miko7, what do you not understand? |
| 17:24.13 | Nyle | be specific |
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| 17:24.49 | wols | Miko7: your irc client has a window or something ( a query) open which tells you what to do |
| 17:25.19 | wols | if you don't want to follow that, your choice, but then you won#t get support here either but from #nvidia only |
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| 17:25.53 | mordy | i wonder if freenx has a channel. but nothing i've found |
| 17:26.22 | Nyle | what is the lisence of this softwarE? |
| 17:26.23 | Miko7 | my package system just doesn't find any nvidia-glx package or any nvidia driver |
| 17:26.27 | Nyle | freenx that is |
| 17:26.41 | abrotman | not DFSG free |
| 17:26.43 | wols | Nyle: dual |
| 17:26.44 | DawnLight | i don't like freenx |
| 17:26.48 | Nyle | The core libraries for NX are provided by NoMachine under the GPL. FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the NX Server. |
| 17:26.57 | Nyle | hmm thats what I thought |
| 17:27.03 | wols | Miko7: cause you didn't read the factoid. there are no nvidia drivers in lenny |
| 17:27.05 | Nyle | its pretty useful, and I wondered why it wasn't in main |
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| 17:27.25 | DawnLight | !freenx |
| 17:27.25 | dpkg | well, freenx is a Free implementation of the nomachine.com caching system for X, RDP and VNC, based on their GPLd libraries. packages for sarge: "deb http://www.linux.lk/~anuradha/nx/ ./" packages for etch/sid: "deb ftp://ftp.ekhis.org/ekhis/ experimental main" |
| 17:27.25 | Nyle | so if the core libs are gpl, and the freenx is a gpl implementation |
| 17:27.26 | Miko7 | what are the factoids? the messages from dpkg bot |
| 17:27.28 | Miko7 | wols, |
| 17:27.32 | mordy | DawnLight, is there something else which supports session persisting disconnect? |
| 17:27.34 | wols | Miko7: yes |
| 17:27.36 | Nyle | WHAT actually makes it DFSG incompatable |
| 17:27.36 | Nyle | ? |
| 17:27.47 | wols | !tell Miko7 about nvidia_lenny |
| 17:28.00 | DaskrEEch | Anyone knows about MegaHal? |
| 17:28.07 | Nyle | both parts of it seems to be gpl as far as i can tell |
| 17:28.10 | stew | Nyle: i thought it was dfsg compatible. did someone say otherwise? |
| 17:28.17 | Nyle | abrotman, did |
| 17:28.18 | DawnLight | mordy: ahm... not ltsp |
| 17:28.22 | Miko7 | wols, Nyle E: Kann Quellpaket für nvidia-graphics-drivers nicht finden |
| 17:28.23 | abrotman | who ? |
| 17:28.24 | Nyle | stew, 01:23 < abrotman> not DFSG free |
| 17:28.31 | abrotman | i don't think freenx is DFSG-free |
| 17:28.38 | DawnLight | but why care so much about x sessions? |
| 17:28.41 | Miko7 | wols, Nyle package system can't find any source for nvidia |
| 17:28.43 | wols | the freenx version is on berlios. the nomachine one totally proprietary but free with lower f |
| 17:28.51 | Nyle | Miko7, add contrib non-free |
| 17:28.54 | Nyle | to sources.list |
| 17:28.59 | wols | Miko7: if you don't read the factoid I put you on ignore |
| 17:29.00 | abrotman | enter key is stuck!! |
| 17:29.05 | Nyle | sorry |
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| 17:29.13 | DexterF | hi |
| 17:29.25 | Nyle | hello |
| 17:29.25 | DexterF | weird things happened installing lenny. |
| 17:29.26 | asg | abrotman: it's just his ADHD |
| 17:29.32 | wols | Miko7: if you want to have nvidia in lenny you must backport from sid |
| 17:29.35 | Miko7 | wols, Nyle i read the factoid guys, i have the deb-src lines: deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 17:29.36 | Nyle | asg, ADD :) |
| 17:29.50 | Miko7 | wols, the bot said me some other things |
| 17:29.50 | mordy | DawnLight, i like X, for the moment |
| 17:30.01 | wols | Miko7: there is NO mention of a lenny repo in that factoid again. read 1) until you actually understand |
| 17:30.17 | DawnLight | mordy: no, i mean, why do you care to not log out? |
| 17:30.18 | mordy | DawnLight, besides, i use programs that are session or instance-specific |
| 17:30.21 | Nyle | and if you don't understand, ask specific questions as to WHAT you don't understand so we can explain |
| 17:30.36 | abrotman | i can't find anything that says it's not .. so maybe it is dfsg-free |
| 17:30.43 | Nyle | obviously not everyone has a great command of english and not everyone can fully understand technical documentations |
| 17:30.46 | cr3rzemjest | hey, does making a process less nice speed up it? for example graphics rendering? because when i set it to -15 i actually only feel as if i was working on pentium II, or worse |
| 17:30.51 | Nyle | but the factoid is fairly easy to understnad |
| 17:31.11 | Nyle | abrotman, The core libraries for NX are provided by NoMachine under the GPL. FreeNX is a GPL implementation of the NX Server. |
| 17:31.16 | mordy | depends what you mean by 'less nice' |
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| 17:31.25 | Nyle | as far as it seems, it is fully gpl |
| 17:31.26 | wols | Miko7: you need a line for SID |
| 17:31.26 | DawnLight | evil! |
| 17:31.28 | abrotman | whatever .. |
| 17:31.33 | Miko7 | wols, i added the line |
| 17:31.40 | wols | the dual liences is kinda evil |
| 17:31.48 | Nyle | wols, come again |
| 17:31.48 | DexterF | I installed lenny on sda6,7,8,9 (root, swap, home, var). fired it up, complained it cant fsck sda8 and sda9, not there. turned out during boot they somehow became sde8 and sde9. guess due to udev and my usb card reader. funny thing is sd*a*6 is there and not sde6. plus: fstab is all UUID so I don't know why it fscks around with sda/e anyway. |
| 17:31.56 | Nyle | wols, how do you mean dual? |
| 17:32.02 | Nyle | *confused me* |
| 17:32.07 | wols | miksuh: deb-src lines: deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free this line? we told you that one is wrong |
| 17:32.11 | Miko7 | wols, Nyle wait im trying it now |
| 17:32.20 | Nyle | isn't just all of it gpl (aside from the prop. stuff) |
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| 17:32.26 | wols | Nyle: freenx is a bait and switch product for the payware nomachine version basically |
| 17:32.26 | Nyle | cuz the core libs ARE under gpl |
| 17:32.45 | Nyle | wols, yeh, I saw that a while ago, they make you download thier client or somthing for linux right? |
| 17:32.49 | n3kl | Is there a keyboard shortcut to move the cursor back a word? |
| 17:32.50 | pickcoder | it can be released under GPL in conjunction with a commercial license |
| 17:32.51 | Nyle | precompiled, no source? |
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| 17:33.05 | Nyle | hm |
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| 17:33.11 | Nyle | as abrotman said |
| 17:33.13 | Nyle | whatever... |
| 17:33.14 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:33.19 | wols | Nyle: it's simply a hook to get critical mass for their product, not cause they believe in the GPL |
| 17:33.23 | mordy | is that why it's so hard for me to find anything on it? they obsucre the process to the extent that i just give in and get nxserver? |
| 17:33.24 | mordy | hehe |
| 17:33.26 | Nyle | wols, ohhh |
| 17:33.30 | Nyle | so the plot thickens... |
| 17:33.33 | pickcoder | OpenQM did the same thing |
| 17:33.37 | Nyle | bastards!! |
| 17:33.38 | pickcoder | MySQL is similar |
| 17:33.42 | Nyle | shakes his fist |
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| 17:34.00 | cr3rzemjest | does priority speed up? |
| 17:34.07 | abrotman | isn't Qt still that way ? |
| 17:34.09 | wols | Nyle: beggars can't be choosers. especially not when they actually use the free product... |
| 17:34.15 | Miko7 | wols, Nyle i did step 4 of the instructions from the bot but it didn't generate a .deb file |
| 17:34.15 | Nyle | true |
| 17:34.16 | wols | abrotman: no |
| 17:34.25 | Nyle | Miko7, bother wols |
| 17:34.31 | abrotman | maybe that's just win32 ? |
| 17:34.32 | Nyle | hes helping you (im now an ati user) |
| 17:34.33 | Miko7 | oh sorry Nyle and wols i found it |
| 17:34.35 | Nyle | :) |
| 17:35.10 | wols | Qt was very proprietry, did basically the same thing but now the community has a right to make Qt dependent stuff FULLY free and free only. it was cause all the bitching with kde |
| 17:35.20 | Miko7 | okay Nyle |
| 17:35.23 | Nyle | kde great |
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| 17:35.29 | Nyle | qt awesome |
| 17:35.34 | Nyle | Miko7, yeh sorry budd |
| 17:35.41 | wols | basically Qt is as free as a propietary dual licensed software can be |
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| 17:35.49 | wols | but then: it got bought by nokia |
| 17:35.53 | Nyle | ATI made specifications open somewhat, and open drivers are progressing nicely |
| 17:35.56 | Nyle | plus the ATI hardware isn't bad |
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| 17:36.00 | Nyle | so I'm ALLLLLL ATI now :) |
| 17:36.05 | Nyle | fuck nvidia :) |
| 17:36.08 | maligor | not all amd? |
| 17:36.15 | Nyle | nope, intel i like still |
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| 17:36.20 | Miko7 | wols, i tried to install nvidia-glx but the package system sais that it needs nvidia-kernel-173.14.09. But the strange thing is i installed it already |
| 17:36.21 | pickcoder | misses the 3dfx days |
| 17:36.22 | Nyle | intel, ati, and debian as software |
| 17:36.30 | Nyle | thats my desktop |
| 17:36.32 | jescis | I should get a newer ATI graphics card >_> |
| 17:36.39 | wols | Miko7: no one said you should install nvidia-glx. you should install sources |
| 17:37.01 | wols | Miko7: I'm getting tired you not reading the factoid |
| 17:37.05 | DexterF | NVidia has working drivers. right now. today. so my next card is totally nv |
| 17:37.12 | Nyle | wols, he did read it obviously many times |
| 17:37.15 | Miko7 | wols, i read the hole factoid ... |
| 17:37.19 | Nyle | and obviouly he doesn't clearly understand that |
| 17:37.23 | Miko7 | sorry for misunderstanding wols |
| 17:37.24 | Nyle | could you please try to not be rude |
| 17:37.29 | pickcoder | maybe that's the problem.. the factoid has a hole? |
| 17:37.30 | wols | DexterF: ahem. nvidia drivers break every other new kernel version basically |
| 17:37.32 | abrotman | replaces his .. with the enter key |
| 17:37.32 | Nyle | give him a break will ya. |
| 17:37.42 | abrotman | because |
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| 17:37.47 | abrotman | then i can join in the fun |
| 17:37.48 | DexterF | wols: "new" means after which version? |
| 17:37.49 | abrotman | or something |
| 17:37.52 | wols | Nyle: do you want a common +q for a day again? |
| 17:38.00 | rwaite | #debian: where a know-it-all can be a know-it-all |
| 17:38.01 | Nyle | you gonna give it to me? |
| 17:38.07 | wols | DexterF: after etch. 2.6.2x kernels usually |
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| 17:38.10 | Miko7 | wols, but the factoid is telling me to install nvidia-glx. but it says me to install nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 |
| 17:38.15 | wols | Nyle: you know who |
| 17:38.23 | Nyle | please stop being rude to debian users, if you can't help nicely (obviously he doesn't fully understand the factoid) |
| 17:38.31 | valdyn | DexterF: they are quick enough with fixing, like few weeks after a kernel release, that part is not really an issue |
| 17:38.44 | wols | Miko7: quote me the part where it says that? |
| 17:38.50 | abrotman | how about you two stop arguing with each other |
| 17:38.53 | DexterF | wols: well, can't say for vanilla, but I know a frined runs 2.6.24 with binary nv fine on ub00ntu 8.10 |
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| 17:39.14 | wamty_ | I can't find documentation on using events in dhcpd.conf |
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| 17:39.30 | Miko7 | its german wols, do you understand it? |
| 17:39.31 | wols | abrotman: better solution. much less noise too. /ignore Nyle |
| 17:39.43 | abrotman | Miko7: there is a german channel if that would be easier |
| 17:39.50 | DexterF | valdyn, wols - oh, like the new kernel breaks compatibility with the nv drivers. it's really not nvidias fault imo when the kernel guys change the interface |
| 17:39.58 | wols | DexterF: it is |
| 17:40.02 | mordy | ahh.. there's an #nx - didn't know |
| 17:40.04 | valdyn | DexterF: the kernel cant break nv drivers |
| 17:40.05 | DexterF | wols: how? |
| 17:40.11 | valdyn | DexterF: it can break nvidia drivers |
| 17:40.14 | wols | the kernel always had a changing interface and that's a good thing. prevents cruft |
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| 17:40.19 | wols | not to mention all the licensing... |
| 17:40.23 | Miko7 | abrotman, english is okay for me but the messages thrown from the package system are german |
| 17:40.33 | valdyn | DexterF: the reason why the kernel cant break nv drivers is that the nv "driver" is part of the kernel |
| 17:40.38 | wols | Miko7: I am still waiting for an answer |
| 17:40.39 | abrotman | Miko7: that doesn't really answer the question .. but whatever .. continue |
| 17:41.04 | DexterF | valdyn: for crying out loud: new kernel versions break the NVIDIA BINARY drivers, there |
| 17:41.07 | Miko7 | wols, please wait i just repeat all steps |
| 17:41.11 | valdyn | DexterF: yea |
| 17:41.21 | valdyn | DexterF: i already said that that is no big deal |
| 17:41.22 | SpeedyG | nvidia drivers have always been a pain imo |
| 17:41.35 | valdyn | DexterF: i do use nvidia because theres no choice |
| 17:41.44 | wols | Miko7: I didn't ask for steps, I asked for a quote from the factoid where it mentions glx package |
| 17:42.04 | DexterF | SpeedyG: I've been using ATi cards for 5 years now and fell for their PR lies over and over. I can tell ya about pain. I could sing song in fact. |
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| 17:42.08 | pickcoder | ah forget video.. just use the speakers and have it present morse code |
| 17:42.24 | wols | valdyn: I don't like the ati drivers. so my cards have been nvidia pretty muhc always. but I still blame them and them only |
| 17:42.32 | abrotman | curses all systems that use two digit years |
| 17:42.34 | valdyn | wols: yes |
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| 17:42.43 | Miko7 | wols, here it is: 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 17:42.44 | mordy | wonders if pickcoder is not serious |
| 17:43.01 | pickcoder | abrotman: reuse of digits is efficient, though |
| 17:43.10 | wols | Miko7: you did not follow the other parts. |
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| 17:43.18 | Miko7 | i did wols |
| 17:43.21 | valdyn | intel already has a decent gfx card in development so uh, maybe that will change everything |
| 17:43.24 | Miko7 | im not at step 4 |
| 17:43.31 | wols | Miko7: what nvidia related deb packages did you build? |
| 17:43.39 | stew | valdyn: as an add-on? that would be great |
| 17:43.43 | Miko7 | wait he's just building wols |
| 17:43.46 | pickcoder | valdyn: it only took them several decades too |
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| 17:44.14 | pickcoder | I guess it's tough to come up with an original design |
| 17:44.20 | pickcoder | 6800 and all.... |
| 17:44.21 | wols | Miko7: if you are still building why do you then ask about steps can't do yet? |
| 17:44.21 | valdyn | pickcoder: well, they already own the market in that area |
| 17:44.27 | abrotman | pickcoder: they had them before .. they stopped making them |
| 17:44.31 | valdyn | pickcoder: just not for "highend" |
| 17:44.37 | wamty_ | I can't find documentation on using events in dhcpd.conf |
| 17:44.41 | Miko7 | wols he built me the following packages: nvidia-glx_173.14.09-2_i386.deb nvidia-glx-dev_173.14.09-2_i386.deb nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-2_i386.deb |
| 17:44.47 | wols | valdyn: it's not the first "decent card" they had in development |
| 17:44.48 | abrotman | hides |
| 17:44.57 | Miko7 | wols, i just were at step 5 but i started procedure again |
| 17:44.59 | wols | !tell Miko7 about nvidia_post_etch |
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| 17:45.07 | valdyn | wols: oh, they never had a card, just onboard shared mem stuff |
| 17:45.09 | pickcoder | intel has never had a "decent" video card IMO |
| 17:45.24 | wols | valdyn: no. google intel i740. discrete, external horrible |
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| 17:45.30 | valdyn | wols: ah |
| 17:45.33 | valdyn | wols: i see |
| 17:45.39 | wols | and if you think ati drivers are bad, well there's always intel as a bad example... |
| 17:45.56 | pickcoder | wonders when broadcom will join |
| 17:46.07 | wols | at least the features ati promises the driver can actually do. not always but it can. with intel.... not so sure... |
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| 17:46.29 | Miko7 | okay thx much wols, but build procedure of nvidia-kernel-source failed: make[4]: *** [/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv.o] Fehler 1 ▒ |
| 17:46.29 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.29 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.29 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.29 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.39 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.41 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:46.43 | Miko7 | sorry @ all |
| 17:46.45 | Miko7 | missklicked |
| 17:46.57 | wols | that spampaste didn't even have the error |
| 17:47.11 | epoxy|w3rk | lol |
| 17:47.12 | mordy | fehler is error |
| 17:47.18 | Miko7 | wols, there are tons of errors. i think 20 sites or more |
| 17:47.32 | wols | !tell Miko7 about errors |
| 17:47.34 | Miko7 | i just pasted the last messages |
| 17:47.37 | Miko7 | -.- |
| 17:47.45 | wols | and that is useless |
| 17:47.45 | mordy | Fehler=Error in german |
| 17:47.49 | Miko7 | wols, if you spam me out with dpkg bot i dont see the important messages |
| 17:47.53 | pickcoder | Miko7: pastebin the entire build log |
| 17:47.54 | mordy | or failed |
| 17:47.54 | wols | we know that. besides, I'm german |
| 17:47.59 | mordy | oh |
| 17:48.00 | mordy | lol |
| 17:48.02 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 17:48.02 | wols | Miko7: then use a proper client like irssi |
| 17:48.04 | pickcoder | it's impossible to trace the error back if you only paste a few end lines |
| 17:48.06 | abrotman | !enter |
| 17:48.07 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 17:48.14 | Ace2016_- | you use lsof /dev/dsp to find whats using it right? |
| 17:48.16 | Miko7 | pickcoder, where to paste? |
| 17:48.21 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 17:48.21 | wols | !paste |
| 17:48.21 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 17:48.21 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 17:48.25 | Miko7 | wols, i have a proper client |
| 17:48.27 | DaskrEEch | Isn't Megahal maintained by Debian as upstream? |
| 17:48.31 | wols | Ace2016_-: one way, yes |
| 17:48.48 | valdyn | !larrabee |
| 17:48.53 | valdyn | oo |
| 17:48.55 | assasukasse | hi, i am looking for a good guide for compiling kernel for my testing (i wanna try 2.6.25) where can i find it? |
| 17:49.12 | abrotman | assasukasse: testing already has .25 |
| 17:49.18 | nkuttler | assasukasse: apt-get install kernel-package, /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/* |
| 17:49.19 | Miko7 | wols, i cant paste the hole error out of this crappy dpkg bluescreen |
| 17:49.27 | Ace2016_- | i tried cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp and it said it was busy, and because its busy audio won't play, sdl is outputting the audio, i tried killall -9 artsd but no change |
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| 17:49.45 | DexterF | bluescreen...? |
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| 17:49.51 | abrotman | DexterF: the m-a ncurses output |
| 17:49.55 | DexterF | ah |
| 17:50.04 | Miko7 | grey box with blue background De |
| 17:50.07 | dp | is there any reason why the postgresql packages don't contain logcheck ignore files any longer? |
| 17:50.07 | Miko7 | grey box with blue background DexterF |
| 17:50.26 | valdyn | dpkg: larrabee is an intel gfx platform, due out in 2009/10, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larrabee_%28GPU%29 |
| 17:50.26 | dpkg | valdyn: okay |
| 17:50.35 | abrotman | oohh! |
| 17:50.44 | abrotman | oh wait .. i don't have pci slots :) |
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| 17:50.47 | abrotman | or any slots |
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| 17:50.52 | assasukasse | abrotman: a guide for compiling it myself? i wanna make leaner |
| 17:51.09 | Miko7 | !pastebin |
| 17:51.09 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 17:51.14 | pickcoder | assasukasse: kernel.org |
| 17:51.14 | abrotman | !tell assasukasse about kp |
| 17:51.18 | asg | abrotman: hey laughing boy, no more slots |
| 17:51.18 | abrotman | Miko7: /msg dpkg foo |
| 17:51.26 | abrotman | asg: stay away from my slot! |
| 17:51.37 | Ace2016_- | wols: where can i find the other ways? |
| 17:51.51 | asg | abrotman: connect 4! I won the game |
| 17:51.52 | Ace2016_- | i'll run lsof as root, maybe it'll show more |
| 17:51.53 | abrotman | !tell Ace2016_- about alsa checklist |
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| 17:52.05 | abrotman | asg: MOTORING! |
| 17:52.13 | Miko7 | wols, here it is: http://rafb.net/p/DqvLV523.html |
| 17:52.28 | asg | abrotman: you sank my battleship |
| 17:52.40 | Miko7 | i used the nvidia_post_etch programms wols |
| 17:52.46 | jelly | asg: go fish. |
| 17:53.03 | Ace2016_- | ah found it, it was flash using the sound system |
| 17:53.10 | abrotman | wols: fyi .. qt is still multi-licensed |
| 17:53.16 | abrotman | asg: that's what she said |
| 17:53.17 | valdyn | do businesses actually use greylisting? |
| 17:53.26 | wols | Ace2016_-: experience. basically any proprietary software with software sound. especially dsp |
| 17:53.38 | asg | valdyn: why wouldn't they, it's very effective |
| 17:53.48 | pickcoder | Miko7: include/linux/device.h:25:24: error: asm/device.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 17:53.52 | pickcoder | that's problem #1 |
| 17:53.59 | pickcoder | Miko7: did you download the kernel headers? |
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| 17:54.01 | valdyn | asg: it can make legitimate mail get lost too |
| 17:54.10 | wols | abrotman: yes. this is a license in case trolltech behaves badly |
| 17:54.16 | Miko7 | what to do? i compiled the kernel myself. but i installed kernel-headers with dpkg -i |
| 17:54.18 | valdyn | asg: i dont have good data as to how often though |
| 17:54.22 | abrotman | wols: they would never! |
| 17:54.25 | Miko7 | im sure they are installed |
| 17:54.29 | dp | anyone? |
| 17:54.35 | asg | valdyn: it can though in my experience, rarely. We get maybe one or two cases a month for 3million attempted deliveries. |
| 17:54.36 | Miko7 | i just got this error with the binary driver from nvidia.com too |
| 17:54.43 | Miko7 | pickcoder, wols |
| 17:54.49 | wols | abrotman: as long as they don't all is fine. if they fuck up the Free community, escape clause triggers |
| 17:54.50 | abrotman | dp: maybe check the README.Debian or the changelog |
| 17:55.00 | asg | valdyn: usually, the problem is some stupid windows box or rapid mailer that doesn't retry on 4xx temporary errors. |
| 17:55.06 | valdyn | asg: that few mta are broken in that way_ |
| 17:55.08 | valdyn | asg: that few mta are broken in that way? |
| 17:55.16 | pickcoder | include/acpi/platform/aclinux.h:59:22: error: asm/acpi.h: Datei oder Verzeichnis nicht gefunden |
| 17:55.20 | dp | abrotman: where would I find said README? |
| 17:55.20 | wols | Miko7: dpkg -l |grep header |
| 17:55.20 | pickcoder | I'm not so sure about that |
| 17:55.26 | pickcoder | or your include path is wrong |
| 17:55.29 | wols | Miko7: can you haste the output? |
| 17:55.35 | abrotman | dp: /usr/share/doc/postgresql* |
| 17:55.40 | wols | Miko7: with the output of uname -a |
| 17:55.54 | wols | dp: might be postgres-doc or such |
| 17:56.02 | pickcoder | the entire ./asm/ include is missing |
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| 17:56.16 | Miko7 | yes wols the header for my actually kernel and the older ones is installed |
| 17:56.17 | valdyn | asg: google is giving me very contradicting information about this |
| 17:56.24 | wols | Miko7: please show us |
| 17:56.30 | Miko7 | ii linux-headers-2.6.26 |
| 17:56.38 | Miko7 | uname -a |
| 17:56.39 | Miko7 | Linux Prometheus 2.6.26 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jul 21 21:51:48 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:56.40 | wols | Miko7: cause if it is installed linux/asm would be there |
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| 17:56.51 | asg | valdyn: those are reported cases though. There are likely more. |
| 17:56.52 | Miko7 | you see wols |
| 17:56.52 | pickcoder | wols: the path in the makefile may be wrong |
| 17:56.57 | valdyn | asg: yea |
| 17:56.58 | pickcoder | bbiab |
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| 17:57.05 | fugit | valdyn: we attempted to use greylisting but legit mail was getting dropped from relatively large companies. |
| 17:57.09 | Miko7 | wols, perhaps removing the other headers? |
| 17:57.21 | Miko7 | wols, the ones from the older kernels |
| 17:57.22 | valdyn | fugit: aye, what im scared of |
| 17:57.28 | wols | wtf; CC [M] /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv.o |
| 17:57.31 | asg | valdyn: another nice technique is sender localpart pattern match and block. I stop 30k a day with only 25 small regexes. |
| 17:57.34 | wols | what is it compiling nv? |
| 17:57.43 | wols | Miko7: no |
| 17:57.50 | strog_ | i have an eth0 and a ath0 interfaces and i want to go to the internet with the eth0 and configure a router with the ath0 interface how can i do that? |
| 17:57.51 | fugit | valdyn: only run it on tertiary backup/spam trap mta's |
| 17:58.03 | Miko7 | and then wols ? what to do |
| 17:58.08 | wols | strog_: make eth0 the the default gateway |
| 17:58.17 | strog_ | wols:how? |
| 17:58.18 | fugit | valdyn: it did do wonders when it was in the loop :-( |
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| 17:58.45 | valdyn | fugit: at which date was that when your evaluation of greylisting failed? |
| 17:58.47 | Miko7 | strog_, enable ip_forward |
| 17:58.56 | valdyn | fugit: i mean, things could have changed by now, or not... |
| 17:58.57 | wols | Miko7: you compile the wrong thing. why do you use CC [M] /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel/nv.o |
| 17:59.03 | strog_ | Miko7: what do i have to do exactly? |
| 17:59.04 | stew | valdyn: i run it on real domains on all MXs. the number of emails actually lost has been limited to only 2 or 3 sender domains in a the last few years |
| 17:59.05 | wols | Miko7: you compile the wrong thing. why do you use make -f debian/rules clean |
| 17:59.12 | Miko7 | configure bost interfaces strog_ and then incoming packages on eth0 will be forwarded |
| 17:59.16 | fugit | valdyn: it was relatively recent ~3 months |
| 17:59.20 | stew | valdyn: when i turn it off, people complain about the amount of spam |
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| 17:59.31 | Miko7 | wols, i just used make-kpkg |
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| 17:59.47 | wols | Miko7: and where do you get the idea of doing so? |
| 17:59.50 | strog_ | Miko7: so what do i have to write in the interfaces file? |
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| 18:00.05 | Miko7 | strog_, type in this as root: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 18:00.11 | wols | Miko7: make-kpkg is for making KERNELS. not modules |
| 18:00.18 | Miko7 | wols, thats the normal way of compiling a kernel on debian |
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| 18:00.27 | Miko7 | i made the kernel this way |
| 18:00.29 | Miko7 | what do you mean wols |
| 18:00.35 | wols | strog_: If you don't want to do that after every boot, I'd edit /etc/sysctl.conf instead |
| 18:00.40 | fugit | valdyn: spamassassin/dcc/razor/fuzzyocr (volatile) with up to date rules has been enough. |
| 18:00.47 | strog_ | Miko7: and how do i undo that |
| 18:00.47 | strog_ | ?? |
| 18:00.54 | wols | Miko7: you don't make the kernel. you make an addon module. what did !nvidia_post_etch say? |
| 18:01.02 | valdyn | fugit: i cant do this, all i can do is talk to the isp who does it |
| 18:01.02 | Miko7 | just put a 0 in the file instead of the 1 |
| 18:01.04 | Miko7 | streuner, |
| 18:01.05 | fugit | valdyn: greylisting helped keep the number of e-mails actually processed down |
| 18:01.06 | Miko7 | strog_, |
| 18:01.07 | wols | strog_: by using 0 instead of 1 |
| 18:01.09 | epoxy|w3rk | <3 fuzzy ocr |
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| 18:01.21 | Miko7 | but thats not everything strog_ you need iptables for masquerading |
| 18:01.27 | strog_ | wols: and what do i have to write? |
| 18:01.34 | strog_ | ah ok |
| 18:01.34 | stew | fugit: i had problems in the past with razor having too many false positives, on stuff like very short bodies like "here is the file" when people were resally just trying to send an attachment |
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| 18:01.42 | wols | strog_: install ipmasq and you are done |
| 18:01.45 | Miko7 | i just used the nvidia_post_etch programms. i copied them into my shell wols |
| 18:02.08 | wols | Miko7: the factoid doesn't mention make-kpkg at all. please follow the factoid |
| 18:02.11 | Miko7 | strog_, i send you the commands via private message for the iptables firewall |
| 18:02.19 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.19 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.19 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.19 | Miko7 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:02.22 | wols | Miko7: don't. |
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| 18:02.28 | Miko7 | shit |
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| 18:02.31 | wols | Miko7: that's a crappy masq script. very crappy |
| 18:02.41 | wols | Miko7: when using debian, learn to use ipmasq |
| 18:02.56 | Miko7 | wols, thats no message script |
| 18:02.57 | fugit | stew: razor2? Plus i keep the single score below threshold for razor2 and dcc. Also bayes and awl help adjust. |
| 18:03.02 | Miko7 | wols, i used make-kpkg just for kernel |
| 18:03.04 | Miko7 | not now wols |
| 18:03.08 | wols | Miko7: no, a masq as in masquerade script |
| 18:03.22 | Miko7 | wols, do you want to help me now or not? |
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| 18:03.29 | stew | fugit: probably not razor2, this was probably 5 years ago. i don't know if things have been improved in this regard |
| 18:03.36 | Miko7 | but just talking much doesn't fix the problem wols |
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| 18:03.58 | valdyn | stew fugit asg: thanks for the information |
| 18:03.59 | Miko7 | strog_ but you have to change the names of the interfaces |
| 18:04.02 | wols | Miko7: fine. solve your own problems. have a nice day |
| 18:04.03 | Miko7 | that it works on your machine |
| 18:04.04 | asg | valdyn: you're welcome |
| 18:04.10 | _abc_ | hi guys |
| 18:04.17 | wols | strog_: don't use what Miko7 said. use the ipmasq package please |
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| 18:04.22 | wols | !tell strog_ about ipmasq |
| 18:04.28 | fugit | stew: I have not seen an exsesive amount of false positives but can't say for sure because just the one score would prevent it from coming to my attention. |
| 18:04.34 | wols | strog_: it does all automatically, ip_forwarding and NAT |
| 18:04.35 | fugit | valdyn: np |
| 18:04.42 | pickcoder | or shorewall if you want more control |
| 18:04.49 | _abc_ | is there a known problem with etch+kde with ooo2.4 ? i get crashes on window resizes and the like |
| 18:05.14 | _abc_ | hmm ? |
| 18:05.18 | wols | !tell _abc_ about bts |
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| 18:05.24 | wols | if it's known, it's documented there |
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| 18:05.38 | Miko7 | thx wols for wasting my time, you are one of the guys who are just crying about the methods of the one who need help but not solving the problem |
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| 18:06.04 | _abc_ | wols thx but i put in ooo from the web |
| 18:06.09 | _abc_ | not as a deb package |
| 18:06.26 | valdyn | Miko7: why dont you just install ipmasq _ |
| 18:06.27 | valdyn | Miko7: why dont you just install ipmasq ? |
| 18:06.30 | _abc_ | i had to downgrade to 2.1 to make it work |
| 18:06.36 | _abc_ | i was expecting a hint or two |
| 18:06.49 | _abc_ | where to look |
| 18:06.57 | Miko7 | what do you mean valdyn |
| 18:06.58 | wols | !tell _abc_ about backports |
| 18:07.09 | wols | valdyn: it was strog. Miko7 tried to "help" |
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| 18:07.18 | valdyn | wols: oops |
| 18:07.21 | quote | Hello |
| 18:07.31 | quote | How do i install postgresql 8.2 ? its an older verison.. |
| 18:07.33 | wols | _abc_: backports has 2.4.1 btw |
| 18:07.33 | fugit | stew: razor2 does have a confidence level system built in, and when its pretty damn sure it does get marked as spam. I have had zero reports of false positives caused by this. |
| 18:07.33 | Miko7 | yeah wols i tried instead of crying much |
| 18:07.37 | quote | version* |
| 18:07.38 | _abc_ | just in case i wasn't clear: ooo is openoffice.org |
| 18:07.45 | wols | quote: maybe check sdn. /msg dpkg sdn |
| 18:07.50 | DexterF | is there a general hardware chat here...? got a totally off-topic ram question... |
| 18:07.58 | mordy | ooos and aaas |
| 18:08.03 | wols | _abc_: we know. and I gave you a way to install the most recent version as a debian pacakge |
| 18:08.07 | _abc_ | DexterF join #electronics |
| 18:08.09 | valdyn | !tell DexterF -about justask |
| 18:08.10 | wols | DexterF: ##hardware |
| 18:08.15 | _abc_ | and that |
| 18:08.24 | DexterF | yay, thanks |
| 18:08.28 | wols | _abc_: check backports |
| 18:08.31 | quote | wols: the newest version is 8.3 |
| 18:08.41 | valdyn | DexterF: meta questions are just as much offtopic as anythign else can be, so dont.. |
| 18:08.42 | wols | quote: I gave you place where it still might be available |
| 18:08.46 | _abc_ | ok, i would like to stay with ooo from the ooo site. is that impossible? |
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| 18:08.54 | pickcoder | DexterF: you can also just ask here.. if no one answers you can try another channel |
| 18:08.55 | stew | fugit: cool, i might need to revisit it then. i've definately been on a long losing streak in the spam wars |
| 18:09.00 | _abc_ | remember i have 2.4.1 and it works fine. |
| 18:09.00 | wols | _abc_: not exactly supported. why must it be that version? |
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| 18:09.12 | _abc_ | wols it's the latest |
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| 18:09.30 | wols | _abc_: and I have gave you a way to get 2.4.1 as a (mostly) supported debian pacakge. so why not use it? |
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| 18:10.18 | DexterF | ok: athlon64 supports up to PC2-800 RAM. now I'm planning on getting an Athlon, could hae some 2GB PC2-533 for free tho. question is: how much of a performance impact on a normal multimedia desktop compared to PC2-800. |
| 18:10.23 | wols | if I have the choice between a (semi) official deb and a wild install fromt he web, I take deb packages everytime. just saner and keeps the system tidy |
| 18:10.42 | _abc_ | wols i already have that. i need to upgrade soon, only ooo, not etch |
| 18:10.48 | wols | DexterF: 5% max, but #hardware |
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| 18:10.56 | wols | _abc_: upgrade to what? |
| 18:11.13 | fugit | stew: cool; the setup has been working well. FuzzyOcr was the last piece of the puzzle I added for image based spam. |
| 18:11.17 | _abc_ | iow: who has ooo from oo.org installed on debian and working, and if so, what version? |
| 18:11.18 | _abc_ | thx |
| 18:11.27 | wols | !anyone use ooo |
| 18:11.28 | dpkg | No, no one uses ooo, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:11.28 | abrotman | _abc_: maybe you should try the OO.o channel |
| 18:11.40 | DexterF | wols: asking there. 5% wild guess or got numbers somwhere? |
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| 18:12.15 | wols | _abc_: backports.org has the latest version 2.4.1 so I doN#t get it why you don't want it. oo.org isn't any newer. I know cause I downloaded a copy today for windows. |
| 18:12.30 | abrotman | fer what? |
| 18:12.31 | wols | DexterF: there is no fixed number caus it varies with the actual program running |
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| 18:13.00 | wols | DexterF: on normal desktop usage it will be leas on encoding probably more |
| 18:13.09 | DexterF | wols: clearly. thought you might have some example benchmarks. well, the ram's for free anyway, guess ill just try |
| 18:13.11 | quote | How do i install older packages from snapshot.debian.net? can i do it with apt-get? |
| 18:13.26 | asg | quote: better to grab them and 'dpkg -i' |
| 18:13.37 | wols | quote: read sdn main page |
| 18:13.38 | abrotman | quote: it also tells you right on the front page |
| 18:13.39 | quote | asg: .tar.gz ? |
| 18:13.48 | stew | quote: yes, when you search for packages there, it will give you a deb line for sources.list, you can install a particular version with "apt-get install package=version" |
| 18:13.49 | asg | quote: there should be debs there also |
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| 18:14.23 | wols | DexterF: it utterly depends on the apps you run. no fixed values |
| 18:14.43 | themill | _abc_: the backports.org package works quite fine under kde here. |
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| 18:15.20 | _abc_ | ok, i was confused, i meant to say 2.4.1 crashes, and 2.1 works |
| 18:15.31 | _abc_ | what is the ooo version shipped with etch? |
| 18:15.36 | _abc_ | the default one? |
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| 18:15.40 | wols | _abc_: and we told you you can get a debian approved 2.4.1 as a deb. |
| 18:16.04 | stew | _abc_: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 18:16.08 | wols | _abc_: apt-cache policy openoffice-org will tell you |
| 18:16.13 | pickcoder | DexterF: what's the FSB of the board |
| 18:16.15 | wols | since you run etch |
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| 18:16.45 | wols | pickcoder: it's CPU dependent |
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| 18:17.16 | wols | default is 266 and 333 iirc but it has a pretty wide range |
| 18:17.17 | DexterF | pickcoder: none - Athlon64, HyperTransport. There's a clock gen somewhere, yes but the RAM controller sits in the cpu core |
| 18:17.33 | wols | DexterF: there still is a memory clock |
| 18:17.44 | wols | DexterF: usually you can adjust it in bios too |
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| 18:18.00 | pickcoder | you can't change the HT speed |
| 18:18.04 | DexterF | wols: yes, but I can't really tell how it is generated. doesn't change the fact that there's no fsb. |
| 18:18.07 | wols | pickcoder: of course you can |
| 18:18.07 | pickcoder | but I know what you're saying.. |
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| 18:18.17 | pickcoder | wols: not on any of the boards I've run |
| 18:18.23 | wols | DexterF: if you can. pretty much every decent bios can. |
| 18:18.25 | pickcoder | through BIOS |
| 18:18.35 | wols | pickcoder: dell and the like? a decent board from asus or ga or such can |
| 18:18.37 | pickcoder | no |
| 18:18.42 | pickcoder | really? |
| 18:18.45 | wols | yes |
| 18:18.51 | pickcoder | next time I reboot my gateway I'll look |
| 18:18.52 | wols | of course you then overclock |
| 18:19.02 | wols | gateway.... forget it :) |
| 18:19.08 | pickcoder | gateway server |
| 18:19.14 | DexterF | usually the athlon probes the ram and adjusts the ram clock speed itself, no need to mess with the bios. *usually*. |
| 18:19.15 | pickcoder | it's not a Gateway (r) |
| 18:19.24 | wols | I said asus, gigabyte, etc. premade econoboxes can't. they don't enable eoverclocking |
| 18:19.25 | pickcoder | it's an ASUS mini-atx |
| 18:19.43 | wols | DexterF: every platform does. but often people run at higher speed |
| 18:19.55 | wols | pickcoder: who made the BIOS |
| 18:20.11 | pickcoder | AMI |
| 18:20.13 | wols | pickcoder: and what model number (hopes asus site is actually working today) |
| 18:20.13 | DexterF | wols: I grew out of overclocking :) |
| 18:20.15 | pickcoder | 11/20/06 |
| 18:20.32 | pickcoder | it's an A8V-VM SE |
| 18:20.35 | wols | pickcoder: no they didn't. they gave asus or gateway the parts. the bios itself is then assembled by them |
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| 18:21.02 | pickcoder | huh? |
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| 18:21.51 | _abc_ | does anyone have trouble surfing at macdonalds with linux? i had trouble today, i had to use windows. |
| 18:22.06 | pickcoder | wols: what are you talking about? |
| 18:22.15 | wols | ami and phoenix make "building blocks". the board makers the actually customize that a bit by deciding parameters and such and make a bios image from it |
| 18:22.16 | asg | _abc_: I only surf in bars |
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| 18:22.27 | wols | I am talking that you don#t get a BIOS from AMI |
| 18:22.28 | quote | how do i install .dsc? |
| 18:22.31 | _abc_ | asg rich b***d ^^ |
| 18:22.34 | EmleyMoor | _abc_: I've never tried in McD's |
| 18:22.37 | streuner | surf only at beaches ;-) |
| 18:22.45 | pickcoder | then dmidecode is making stuff up |
| 18:22.54 | wols | quote: can't. it's a DeSCription file |
| 18:23.06 | streuner | asg: How are you? |
| 18:23.18 | asg | _abc_: do you even get an IP from them? |
| 18:23.18 | quote | wols: apt-get source postgresql=8.2 doesnt work! |
| 18:23.20 | asg | streuner: good, you? |
| 18:23.26 | wols | pickcoder: asus bought a BIOS from AMI and customized it. of course the BIOS is still copyright AMI |
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| 18:23.29 | streuner | asg: thanks :-) |
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| 18:23.46 | pickcoder | symantics |
| 18:23.55 | streuner | asg: too much work, i need more party ;-) |
| 18:24.03 | asg | streuner: yeah, I know |
| 18:24.14 | _abc_ | i get an ip at mcd and it's in the multicast range, then i can't get to their gateway, the browser won't resolve dns |
| 18:24.27 | wols | pickcoder: no. you cannot get any BIOS for your baord from AMI but you can get one from Asus |
| 18:24.30 | _abc_ | in windows it works fine |
| 18:24.38 | Eulex | hello, ssh is somewhat slow on my pmmx 200 (only ~600kb/s), is it possible to increase its speed? could you for example choose another encryption method to use by default? if so, how, and which one would be fast? |
| 18:24.51 | _abc_ | i also tried from the cli, there is a gw, but i cannot ping it |
| 18:24.52 | asg | _abc_: do you get a similar IP in windows? |
| 18:25.09 | _abc_ | asg probably, i did not check the ip proper |
| 18:25.13 | asg | Eulex: you might try turning compression off if it's enabled. |
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| 18:25.50 | wols | Eulex: compile for a pre mmx P5. but I doubt it will be faster |
| 18:26.02 | asg | _abc_: it's possible they are doing POF and limiting it to Windows; some places are silly that way |
| 18:26.25 | wols | asg: linux users are evil h4x0rs anyways |
| 18:26.34 | asg | wols: I know, that's why I use BSD |
| 18:26.46 | Eulex | asg, is that a system-wide setting? |
| 18:26.48 | wols | they are satan worshippers! |
| 18:26.48 | Eulex | wols, yeah |
| 18:27.26 | wols | dpkg needs a !pyre factoid so we can properly burn asg |
| 18:27.26 | dpkg | wols: i haven't a clue |
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| 18:27.29 | asg | Eulex: it is set in /etc/ssh/ssh_config but I don't know if it's enabled or not |
| 18:27.42 | wols | ssh -v should tell no? |
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| 18:28.52 | asg | Eulex: other than that, they only way to speed it up since you are CPU bound is by dropping the key sizes but you don't want to do that |
| 18:29.10 | Eulex | asg, right |
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| 18:31.42 | pickcoder | Eulex: what else is running on it |
| 18:31.56 | quote | my apt-get just stuck at 50% and its not going anywhere. wtf? |
| 18:32.33 | Eulex | pickcoder, well, it has apache, git-daemon, vsftpd, etc, but it's largely idle and has plenty (128mb) of ram |
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| 18:32.43 | _abc_ | ok, thanks, leaving here |
| 18:32.46 | _abc_ | bye |
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| 18:34.07 | \amethyst | I wouldn't expect the keysize to make that much of a difference in encryption speeds anyway, since the keys are only used for establishing a session |
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| 18:34.46 | asg | \amethyst: yeah, that's a good point. |
| 18:34.47 | \amethyst | the session key size would matter |
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| 18:35.24 | \amethyst | hm, how do you specify the symmetric cipher to use? |
| 18:35.33 | Eulex | I just found out |
| 18:35.40 | \amethyst | ah, Ciphers |
| 18:35.43 | asg | \amethyst: Ciphers |
| 18:35.44 | Eulex | Ciphers option in sshd_config can be set to limit |
| 18:35.47 | Eulex | the available ones |
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| 18:36.36 | Eulex | twofish isn't supported by ssh? |
| 18:36.47 | asg | Eulex: blowfish is the implementation |
| 18:36.56 | \amethyst | also setting MACs to something fast might help |
| 18:37.13 | wols | \amethyst: MACs are what in this context? |
| 18:37.21 | Eulex | asg, blowfish is the predecessor to twofish, and is less secure and a little slower |
| 18:37.35 | Eulex | but I'll try blowfish, I know that it's supposed to be fast too |
| 18:37.53 | \amethyst | wols: message authentication codes (cryptographic hashes) |
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| 18:38.07 | wols | ah. thx |
| 18:38.19 | wols | MAC is a messy acronym |
| 18:38.34 | \amethyst | s/acronym/collection of &s/ :) |
| 18:38.35 | asg | big MAC |
| 18:38.53 | streuner | hehe |
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| 18:39.40 | streuner | asg: its good that you came back to #d, somebody who has humor and that's rare these times :-) |
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| 18:40.05 | asg | streuner: I'm in here all the time, I'm just very busy on most weekdays so I don't open my mouth much :) |
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| 18:40.18 | stew | by busy, he means drunk |
| 18:40.20 | streuner | asg: me too :-) |
| 18:40.27 | asg | stew: work first, then drunk |
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| 18:40.36 | streuner | stew: so here |
| 18:40.36 | asg | speaking of |
| 18:40.38 | asg | !pubtime |
| 18:40.39 | dpkg | hmm... pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 18:40.52 | asg | need to change that, I don't go to jacks anymore |
| 18:41.00 | streuner | stew: first work, and then *party* ;-) |
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| 18:41.26 | asg | they probably still have the wide open webcam though |
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| 18:41.45 | streuner | stew: no attack vs. YOU, i know you are otherwise when you are not in #d... |
| 18:41.54 | benjamindees | apt refuses to install the krita package in etch; lemme post the error |
| 18:41.56 | Vooloo | is there a way to chmod every recursive directory to 777 but exclude the files? |
| 18:42.15 | asg | Vooloo: that would be bad |
| 18:42.37 | Vooloo | asg: it would be worse not being able to do what I need to do |
| 18:42.37 | stew | streuner: you don't know! :P |
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| 18:42.50 | abrotman | Vooloo: maybe you sohuld start with what you need to do |
| 18:43.01 | streuner | stew: :-) |
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| 18:43.19 | Vooloo | abrotman: chmod every recursive directory to 777 |
| 18:43.25 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:43.31 | abrotman | cues liable |
| 18:43.36 | stew | Vooloo: you don't want to do that |
| 18:43.41 | benjamindees | http://pastebin.ca/1079744 |
| 18:44.06 | stew | Vooloo: tell us why you want 777 and we should be able to help you figure out a more sane solution |
| 18:44.33 | Vooloo | because joomla is a piece of shit software and there is no way to manually upload components? |
| 18:44.44 | wols | benjamindees: add a etch http or ftp repo to your sources.list and delete the cdrom line |
| 18:44.50 | stew | Vooloo: can you be more specific? |
| 18:45.16 | wols | Vooloo: making your full webbrowser docroot 777 is a really bad idea |
| 18:45.18 | Vooloo | I cant install my component because it cant write to the dir |
| 18:45.19 | Vooloo | s |
| 18:45.28 | rahul | so you're going to introduce a security hole because you want to use shitty software? or maybe you didn't read the docs... or maybe you're supposed to be using scp to copy files... |
| 18:45.30 | Vooloo | I know, I'll just change it back later |
| 18:45.31 | themill | Vooloo: you're right about the first one.... are you trying to upload through the web interface? |
| 18:45.32 | wols | staggeringly bad |
| 18:45.39 | quote | my apt-get install is stuck on 50%...nothing happens what could be? |
| 18:45.43 | stew | Vooloo: show us the otuput of "ls -ld /path/to/dir" for the directory in question |
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| 18:45.49 | Usiu | HI |
| 18:45.49 | stew | output* |
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| 18:45.51 | Usiu | I need help |
| 18:45.52 | Vooloo | rahul: maybe you can chmod back to 755 ? |
| 18:45.52 | Usiu | with glut |
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| 18:45.57 | Usiu | In file included from test.c:2: |
| 18:45.57 | Usiu | /usr/include/GL/glut.h:538: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘glutInit’ |
| 18:45.59 | Usiu | /usr/include/GL/glut.h:546: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘glutInitDisplayMode’ |
| 18:46.02 | Usiu | ... |
| 18:46.05 | rahul | Vooloo: the more crap you do, the more mistakes you will make |
| 18:46.13 | Vooloo | stew: the problem is I dont know what directory it is because the script doesnt output any specific errors |
| 18:46.29 | streuner | hands rahul a ™ |
| 18:46.37 | rahul | heh |
| 18:46.43 | stew | Vooloo: have you checked /var/log/apche2/error.log (assuming it is running under apache2) |
| 18:47.04 | fugit | Vooloo: you shouldn't need to use it but something like 'find ./test/* -type d -exec echo '{}' \;' |
| 18:47.06 | asg | Usiu: 1) don't do that again. 2) what are you doing and what do you hope to accomplish |
| 18:47.18 | Vooloo | find . -type d -exec chmod 755 {} \; <- will this start at my current position or where is "dot" |
| 18:47.29 | Usiu | asg: I want to compile simple program with glut.h included |
| 18:47.43 | Usiu | asg: gcc test.c -lglut -lGL -lGLU -lX11 -lXmu -lXi -lm -o test |
| 18:47.51 | Usiu | asg: a hello world like thing |
| 18:47.57 | asg | Usiu: try #c or #gnome |
| 18:48.12 | Usiu | asg: why gnome? |
| 18:48.18 | Usiu | asg: its glut opengl thing |
| 18:48.22 | asg | Usiu: sorry, #opengl |
| 18:48.33 | Usiu | asg: already trying but with no luck |
| 18:48.41 | rahul | Usiu: you'll have less luck here |
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| 18:50.49 | Vooloo | that did the trick |
| 18:51.04 | pickcoder | can't even tell what the error is from the channel paste |
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| 18:53.04 | magyar_ | hi, how do i test for the best mirror? there is a command that does this |
| 18:53.12 | asg | magyar_: apt-spy |
| 18:53.16 | stew | magyar_: netselect-apt or apt-spy |
| 18:53.16 | asg | magyar_: it isn't very reliable though |
| 18:53.23 | themill | dpkg: tell magyar_ about multiple ask |
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| 18:54.25 | magyar_ | ehehe, themill you're on both servers -_- |
| 18:54.36 | themill | magyar_: so are a lot of people |
| 18:54.59 | magyar_ | this channel is faster |
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| 18:55.08 | streuner | magyar: crap |
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| 18:55.31 | streuner | magyar: lots of people here hanging in #debian (OFTC) as well around |
| 18:55.57 | themill | magyar_: so only ask in here then. Please don't ask in both channels at the same time. |
| 18:55.57 | streuner | so just ask ONE channel, both are pretty good |
| 18:56.00 | magyar_ | i just found out about oftc |
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| 18:57.13 | streuner | uh, what does he talk about us, when he is somewhere else... |
| 18:57.32 | streuner | you are at the top of my list :-) |
| 18:58.06 | magyar_ | hmm, didnt get that |
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| 18:58.32 | abrotman | or ask google ? |
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| 18:59.58 | benjamindees | thanks wols |
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| 19:04.52 | twobitwork | can someone give some tips on automatically updating/building .deb packages? I.e., tools for adding entries to changelog files, etc? |
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| 19:05.27 | streuner | #debian-mentors is the channel for that |
| 19:05.39 | streuner | !listvals debian-mentors |
| 19:05.41 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'debian-mentors' by value (3): mentors ;; usb mount ;; rfs. |
| 19:05.45 | streuner | !mentors |
| 19:05.46 | dpkg | somebody said mentors was the system that the Debian project uses to train new people to become Debian Developers or Debian Maintainers and get their packages into the Debian archive. Ask me about <nmg> or <mg>. Also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, and http://mentors.debian.net/ |
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| 19:05.59 | ixnay | hungry |
| 19:06.04 | stew | twobitwork: have a look at dch |
| 19:06.04 | hutatang | my server's load average: 17.73, 8.86, 4.90 ,it's still very responsive, should I worry ? |
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| 19:06.26 | twobitwork | stew: ahh, thanks |
| 19:06.26 | stew | hutatang: what is making the load high? |
| 19:06.33 | streuner | hutatang: seems to be high, for me |
| 19:06.47 | hutatang | php program text processing |
| 19:07.03 | hutatang | no disk activity ,mostly over nextwork |
| 19:07.06 | hutatang | network |
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| 19:07.16 | sajes | For some reason, 1.3GB of my 1.5GB RAM is being used. Is this normal or should I start to worry? (I don't have that much running, but the computers been on 25 hours.) |
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| 19:07.39 | drazak | sajes: if you used free -m to determine this, use the second row, not the first |
| 19:08.03 | chops | !free ram |
| 19:08.04 | dpkg | gives away a free ram with every packet of cornflakes |
| 19:08.13 | stew | sajes: its normal for linux to use all available ram. what ever isn't being used by applications is put to work as disk cache |
| 19:08.15 | streuner | sajes: Linux kernels tend to read ALL the amount of the RAM, but its not usual... |
| 19:08.18 | stew | !free memory |
| 19:08.19 | dpkg | gives away a free memory with every AOL CD |
| 19:08.26 | stew | hrm |
| 19:08.38 | twobitwork | lol |
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| 19:08.46 | stew | !forget cmd: free (.*?) |
| 19:08.46 | dpkg | i forgot cmd: free (.*?), stew |
| 19:08.55 | sajes | drazak: I got it from watching top, but if it's normal then I'm fine with it. I was just worried that I was going to run out of RAM. |
| 19:08.58 | streuner | sajes: 1.3 GB is much, how come? |
| 19:09.00 | stew | !free ram |
| 19:09.00 | dpkg | Most modern operating systems try aggressively to use free physical memory for disk caching, but release it when actually needed by programs. If you want to know how much physical memory the free(1) tool says you have left for program use, it's 'free' + 'buffers' + 'cache'. |
| 19:09.18 | abrotman | oh .. you got it |
| 19:09.25 | abrotman | which dipstick made that ? |
| 19:09.39 | streuner | stew made dpkg forget that |
| 19:09.43 | abrotman | looks at hoxu |
| 19:09.48 | streuner | hm |
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| 19:10.26 | hoxu | hur, sorry for the collision |
| 19:10.44 | sajes | free -m tells me that 156 is being used and 1362 is free, so I guess it is just caching it. |
| 19:10.50 | abrotman | pay attention to the factoids you make |
| 19:11.13 | quote | I'm having problems with installing postgresql 8.0 - it seems to be missing 'Local DB' ? |
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| 19:14.10 | Xavura | Where would the mysql client be on Debian? |
| 19:14.32 | Xavura | I did apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server and the daemon is running then I installed locate and I just can't find it |
| 19:15.26 | abrotman | Xavura: still running Ubuntu? .. apt-cache search mysql-client |
| 19:15.29 | hutatang | i did killall5 by accident, how can I ssh into my server again ? |
| 19:15.32 | jelly | Xavura: locate updates its database once a day only, it won't know about it |
| 19:15.34 | hutatang | this is remote server |
| 19:15.41 | Xavura | I run Ubuntu but my server runs Debian |
| 19:15.45 | jelly | Xavura: you should be able to just run "mysql" |
| 19:15.49 | Xavura | I am trying to get MySQL working on Debian |
| 19:15.54 | abrotman | Xavura: client or server? |
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| 19:15.59 | Xavura | Yes, but a Config script I am using can't locate the mysql client or something |
| 19:16.07 | abrotman | you want the -dev files |
| 19:16.08 | Xavura | and I need a path to explicitly tell it where to look |
| 19:16.11 | stew | Xavura: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:16.14 | jelly | Xavura: a config script for what? |
| 19:16.36 | Xavura | An IRC services package that uses MySQL |
| 19:16.46 | Xavura | It can't find my MySQL install though apparently |
| 19:16.54 | Xavura | the daemon is running though (looks like it to me) |
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| 19:17.21 | stew | Xavura: what exactly is the error message |
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| 19:17.38 | Xavura | checking for mysqlclient ... no |
| 19:17.38 | Xavura | can't compile a simple app with mysql_connnect in it. |
| 19:17.47 | Xavura | and Mysql: No (orion WON'T run without MySQL!!) |
| 19:18.08 | abrotman | or ignore me |
| 19:18.11 | cusco | Xavura: install it then |
| 19:18.18 | Xavura | ? |
| 19:18.20 | Xavura | I did |
| 19:18.23 | Xavura | Thanks very much |
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| 19:18.33 | Xavura | [ Xavura ] I did apt-get install mysql-client mysql-server ... |
| 19:18.34 | stew | Xavura: you need a mysqlclient dev library, "apt-cache search -n libmysqlclient dev" |
| 19:18.36 | cusco | libmysqlclient15-dev |
| 19:18.38 | Xavura | First thing I said when I came |
| 19:18.44 | Xavura | dev library? |
| 19:18.47 | Xavura | How come? |
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| 19:18.50 | cusco | development |
| 19:18.54 | stew | Xavura: becuase you are trying to compile something |
| 19:18.58 | Xavura | I know what dev means, why do I need a dev library? |
| 19:19.07 | abrotman | you shouldn't be running an irc server |
| 19:19.07 | DanDare | o.O |
| 19:19.15 | Xavura | I can run whatever I want thanks |
| 19:19.25 | chops | Xavura: Apparently you can't :-) |
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| 19:19.29 | cusco | :) |
| 19:19.30 | Xavura | I am already running one thanks |
| 19:19.30 | stew | Xavura: becuase dev libraries contain the headers and shared library'sn eeded to for compilation |
| 19:19.35 | hutatang | I did killall5 on a remote server by accident, now I cannot ssh into it, anyway to fix this ? |
| 19:19.38 | Xavura | Just not with MySQL because it won't work |
| 19:19.43 | Xavura | I'll try with the dev libraries |
| 19:19.55 | cusco | hutatang: ask for a hard reboot |
| 19:19.59 | streuner | hutatang: ask support to reboot? |
| 19:20.12 | hutatang | ok thx |
| 19:20.22 | Xavura | The results of the apt-cache search was |
| 19:20.23 | Xavura | libmysqlclient15-dev - MySQL database development files |
| 19:20.34 | cusco | preciselly what you need |
| 19:20.38 | Xavura | Let's try it |
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| 19:20.49 | streuner | hutatang: there is a secret hint for all those users... |
| 19:20.57 | abrotman | Xavura: apt-cache policy libmysqlclient15-dev .. what is the candidate version ? |
| 19:21.03 | streuner | just make always a "backdoor" open... |
| 19:21.22 | hutatang | streuner: backdoor ? |
| 19:21.23 | streuner | (if support is too expensive...) |
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| 19:21.34 | cusco | nevermind that :p |
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| 19:21.39 | Xavura | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.39 | Xavura | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:21.50 | streuner | cusco: hehe ;-) |
| 19:22.00 | Xavura | Ok so it should work ok now? |
| 19:22.01 | stew | Xavura: you are strongly encoraged to not use testing on a publicly available server |
| 19:22.09 | Xavura | Sorry? |
| 19:22.22 | abrotman | i'd repeat the above .. but what's the point |
| 19:22.22 | stew | Xavura: you should not be running lenny on a server |
| 19:22.31 | Xavura | Oh, well tell that to my host |
| 19:22.42 | Xavura | I don't know anything about Linux, 'tis all new to me |
| 19:22.54 | streuner | hutatang: some way to access that machine only for you |
| 19:23.40 | stew | Xavura: then you really shouldn't be running testing |
| 19:23.51 | Xavura | What do you mean running "testing" |
| 19:23.57 | stew | !testing |
| 19:23.57 | dpkg | testing is probably a release/suite between <stable> and <unstable>. testing currently points to <lenny>. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. Ask me about <etch->lenny>, or a few days old glorified unstable with missing packages, or ask me about <moving target> |
| 19:24.00 | Xavura | Is lenny alpha/beta? |
| 19:24.03 | Xavura | I don't even know |
| 19:24.16 | Xavura | Oh ok, well I'll tell my host that... |
| 19:24.19 | streuner | lenny is testing ;-) |
| 19:24.25 | Xavura | Doesn't mean anything to me |
| 19:24.29 | streuner | well |
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| 19:24.41 | mmlj4 | it's pre-gamma software.... does that help? |
| 19:24.50 | streuner | if you don't know about, you shouldn't run it |
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| 19:24.58 | cusco | there is stable, testing, unstable and experimental |
| 19:24.58 | stew | Xavura: its a release of debian that is still in development, slated to be the next release. it has known security problems, and it is anticipated that it will have more |
| 19:25.07 | stew | Xavura: its by definition buggy |
| 19:25.07 | cusco | you should run stable to be on the safe side |
| 19:25.12 | Xavura | Well |
| 19:25.18 | Xavura | I can only relay your information to my host |
| 19:25.29 | Xavura | I can't say, oi, install the stable version because .... |
| 19:25.33 | cusco | ok |
| 19:25.39 | abrotman | cusco: experimental isn't really a "release" |
| 19:25.47 | cusco | yea.. ok |
| 19:25.48 | Xavura | but I mean |
| 19:25.50 | stew | Xavura: then i'd find a better hosting provider |
| 19:25.52 | chops | Xavura: You're paying them for hosting, and you can't tell them what version to install? |
| 19:25.52 | Xavura | he's a really smart guy |
| 19:26.06 | cusco | you can always change hosts but then is not that critical... |
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| 19:26.08 | streuner | according to aba experimental is a playground for DD's ... |
| 19:26.11 | Xavura | so |
| 19:26.43 | Xavura | I don't know why he would use a non stable version because, honestly he's really smart, he works on numerous open source software etc. etc. |
| 19:26.47 | chops | Xavura: If he's really smart, then you can tell him that #debian said not to run testing on a server, and let him explain to you why and explain what should be done |
| 19:26.49 | Xavura | I'll tell him :P |
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| 19:26.58 | Xavura | but I bet he already knows tbh |
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| 19:27.12 | epoxy|w3rk | hm, where can i get more info on LTSP and booting via nbd? i'm booting via NFS (have squashfs in exports though?) on my debian installs and would like to look into it more... but i can't seem to get the right buzz words into google! or maybe i am thinking wrong :) |
| 19:27.34 | Xavura | anyway my problem is fixed now |
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| 19:27.37 | Xavura | so thanks a lot |
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| 19:28.37 | epoxy|w3rk | gah.. wrong chan. bleh |
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| 19:30.09 | Tapout | i'm reinstalling debian, should I go etch or lenny? |
| 19:30.24 | chops | Tapout: If you're asking, then probably etch |
| 19:30.28 | mordy^ | errrr.... |
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| 19:30.42 | chops | Tapout: Upgrading etch to lenny is easy, downgrading lenny to etch not so much |
| 19:30.50 | chops | Tapout: Ultimately it depends on how you want to use it, though |
| 19:31.01 | Tapout | I had etch, working fine but I'm wondering if it's better to just go with lenny... I remember installing Freebsd4 or something, few weeks later.. freebsd5 came out :) |
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| 19:31.11 | Tapout | chops, ya ok.. i'll etch it up |
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| 19:31.24 | magyar_ | hi, need to remount /home after made changes to /etc/fstab |
| 19:31.34 | cedric33 | hi i have a problem i want to start a software on deamon when i try i have Daemon mode is not set in configuration file or command line options. i think i forget to install a package but i don't know what is this package |
| 19:31.41 | mordy^ | ponders asking the Holy Gurus about freenx again |
| 19:31.44 | cedric33 | if yo uhave any idea thanks |
| 19:31.49 | cedric33 | it's a perl language |
| 19:31.50 | stew | Tapout: you can always upgrade to lenny from etch at some point later. in fact if you asked for a recommended way to install lenny, we'd be likely to tell you to install etch and upgrade |
| 19:31.54 | chops | Tapout: Not sure about FreeBSD, but Debian is pretty easy to upgrade from one stable release to another (particular if the install is only a couple of weeks old). You definitely don't need to reinstall. |
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| 19:32.05 | xsdg | magyar_: what changes did you make |
| 19:32.06 | xsdg | ? |
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| 19:33.20 | magyar_ | xsdg, {{acl}},user_xattr,defaults,errors=remount-ro |
| 19:33.32 | Tapout | chops, i'm reinstalling cause they force 1KB block size (softlayer) .. all installs are 1KB, which causes fragmentation issues with mysql *.MYI files.. (so bad that it took 51 minutes to .. cat table.MYI > /dev/null :) |
| 19:33.45 | xsdg | magyar_: does `mount -o remount /home` work? |
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| 19:34.08 | stew | Tapout: are you sure that the problem is fragmentation? |
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| 19:34.17 | stew | Tapout: if you are running a server, then you should definately be using etch not lenny |
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| 19:34.59 | chops | Tapout: That sounds like a rather severe problem. Does it go away if you copy the .MYI file to a new file, and then move the new file over the old .MYI file (obviously all with the mysql server shut down)? |
| 19:35.17 | magyar_ | xsdg, mount: /home not mounted already, or bad option |
| 19:35.24 | chops | Tapout: Regardless of block size, that sounds like really awful behavior |
| 19:35.38 | xsdg | magyar_: is it mounted? |
| 19:35.38 | apollo | Hi all, I am new to debian and Nvidia, and I was wondering if someone could point me to the right docs to get video drivers working. :D |
| 19:35.50 | chops | apollo: Do you need 3d drivers? |
| 19:36.02 | apollo | chops: yes |
| 19:36.03 | Tapout | stew, filefrag reported 180,000 fragments.. ideal like 508. I shutdown mysql, moved the *.MYI, copied a new one, boom.. blazing speeds again. I forced 4KB blocksize with mysql, no fragmentation issues... so either it's a bug in mysql myisam index creation or something else..I just want 4KB blocksize .. as I did a bit of reading and that's what Oracle suggests :) |
| 19:36.18 | magyar_ | xsdg, yeap, maybe i have "bad options" |
| 19:36.28 | chops | Tapout: How full are your filesystems generally? |
| 19:36.45 | Tapout | chops, ya that's what I did... took a while cause of the fragmentation but once it was done , blazing myisam speeds. filefrag your *.MYI |
| 19:36.53 | Tapout | 1/10th? |
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| 19:37.08 | Tapout | 500GB raid+10 .. 256KB stripe size |
| 19:38.20 | Tapout | where you can customize the blocksize with the extra options in mysql, i forced 4KB .. but docs i've read said that they should match.. mysql+ext3 ... otherwise it will double read sometimes |
| 19:38.21 | magyar_ | xsdg, acl,rw,user_xattr,defaults,errors=remount-ro << this worked |
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| 19:38.34 | chops | Tapout: Hm, the first one I tested was 1.9 MB, 12 extents |
| 19:38.43 | Tapout | chops, what blocksize tho? |
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| 19:38.51 | chops | Tapout: Well, this is Linux. 4k. |
| 19:38.57 | Tapout | *.MYD are always perfect... *.MYI |
| 19:39.00 | xsdg | magyar_: weird |
| 19:39.06 | Tapout | why in hell does softlayer force 1KB blocksize, i don't get it |
| 19:39.08 | xsdg | magyar_: anyway, I've got to run; good luck |
| 19:39.10 | magyar_ | i's say |
| 19:39.18 | magyar_ | l8ters |
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| 19:39.39 | chops | Tapout: I would bet that it's something odd in the filesystem creation because of the RAID (maybe trying to match FS structures up with stripe boundaries). I can't imagine that FreeBSD+mysql has such awful behavior out-of-box |
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| 19:39.52 | Tapout | dumpe2fs /dev/sda1 | grep 'Block size' |
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| 19:39.57 | chops | Tapout: Unless the .MYI files are generally accessed totally randomly anyway |
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| 19:40.13 | Tapout | chops, nah this is debiah etch i'm talking about |
| 19:40.23 | Tapout | the lenny/etch scenario was years ago :) |
| 19:40.41 | ancientt | ipmasq rocks! |
| 19:40.53 | Tapout | chops, i tried it with sorted data, I tried it multiple times... 1KB blocksize with myisam = bug city. for whatever reason :) |
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| 19:41.07 | chops | Tapout: My FS block size is 4k. Are you saying your _filesystem_ block size is 1k? Don't do that :-). |
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| 19:41.25 | chops | Tapout: And what is "softlayer"? |
| 19:41.45 | chops | Tapout: (That's why I assumed FreeBSD was what you were talking about; I've never heard of a concept called "softlayer" in Linux.) |
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| 19:42.20 | Tapout | chops, softlayer is an ISP in the states... |
| 19:42.33 | chops | Tapout: Particularly, don't use a 1k filesystem block size on a RAID array with a stripe size of 256KB. |
| 19:42.48 | Tapout | chops, yes .. i'm telling you that softlayer will OS install 1KB blocksize on every machine. I've got 4 boxes, and all 4 are 1KB blocksize |
| 19:42.57 | chops | Tapout: Have you considered having a stern chat with their engineering department, or finding a different host? |
| 19:43.05 | Strog576 | i played around with the iptables can someone help me here to restore everything? |
| 19:43.07 | chops | Tapout: I mean, do they give any reason for that odd decision? |
| 19:43.17 | valdyn | Strog576: its restored if you reboot |
| 19:43.48 | Strog576 | ah ok |
| 19:43.49 | Strog576 | thanks |
| 19:43.53 | Tapout | chops, no reason.. I asked for 4KB .. and they said "can't do customized blocksize", gotta manually do it |
| 19:44.05 | chops | Tapout: Sounds like a good reason not to use them for hosting |
| 19:44.08 | valdyn | this sounds like a joke |
| 19:44.08 | Tapout | so i'm learning how to do the lockbox+virtual cd loading with ipmi right now ;) |
| 19:44.17 | valdyn | why would the do custom 1k and not do the default 4k |
| 19:44.37 | Tapout | valdyn, no idea.. /join #softlayer on here.. some of the guys are there ;) |
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| 19:44.44 | chops | valdyn: On a RAID array with a 256KB blocksize. Let's not forget that part. |
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| 19:45.34 | Tapout | hey chops, what stripe size should I use with 4KB blocks? |
| 19:45.44 | valdyn | chops: i dont know how that matters |
| 19:45.59 | chops | joins #softlayer, where it turns out Tapout just asked why they use 1kb block size |
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| 19:46.45 | quote | Ok, this is the third time i'm asking: My apt-get install is STUCK on 50% - i cant install any packages. Why tha hell? |
| 19:46.54 | quote | Building dependency tree... 50% |
| 19:46.58 | magyar_ | etch kernel 2.6.18 is pretty crappy with mobos that have a basic intel chipset with SATA and PATA support |
| 19:47.18 | valdyn | quote: try using aptitude instead |
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| 19:47.37 | valdyn | magyar_: that suprising just for you |
| 19:47.41 | valdyn | magyar_: that is suprising just for you |
| 19:47.59 | valdyn | magyar_: it cant support hardware newer than it is |
| 19:48.20 | quote | valdyn: its stuck too!! |
| 19:49.12 | magyar_ | valdyn, i've tried number of mobos here at work and they all spew out sync issues with heavy loads. Just testing lenny and with 2.6.25 and it flies with no errors. |
| 19:49.37 | magyar_ | valdyn, even on three years old p4p asus boards |
| 19:49.50 | DexterF | Tapout: which fs on that raid? |
| 19:50.28 | magyar_ | valdyn, if the mobo has only PATA, works nice no issues |
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| 19:52.23 | dserban | I'm assuming most of you here (that are serious about debian), are subscribed to some of the mailing lists provided by debian. Can someone give me a simple rule on how to sort incoming mailing list messages into different folders? I'm using icedove and the rules I've set now seem to fail (via message filters). I've set the List-Id value if it contains x move it to folder y. |
| 19:52.25 | chops | valdyn: I was under the impression that disk I/O happened with 4k block sizes, in which case a 1k FS block size would cause extra reads and writes (the effects of which would be compounded by running on a RAID array)... but now that I think twice, ISTR that HD I/O happens on 512-byte blocks, so the RAID is not relevant, yes |
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| 19:52.36 | dserban | .. doesn't work. Just sits in my inbox. |
| 19:52.45 | valdyn | chops: everyone uses readahead |
| 19:53.08 | valdyn | chops: which is 256kb on my disks i think |
| 19:53.16 | Tapout | DexterF, ext3 .. |
| 19:53.31 | Tapout | DexterF, 256KB raid stripe ext3 |
| 19:54.11 | valdyn | chops: id be glad to find out why my raid performance is capping at ~150mb/sec while raw thruput is 400mb though, actually |
| 19:54.28 | valdyn | chops: i just know nothing about stripe / blocksize / performance relations |
| 19:55.37 | DexterF | Tapout: raid chunk size / block size. why mkfs.ext3 doesn't auto-calc that like xfs does is beyond me. btw, for databases I'd rather use xfs or jfs |
| 19:55.45 | chops | valdyn: There's a mkfs.ext3 option to line up filesystem structures on stripe boundaries... I have some performance unhappiness of my own, actually, but it's on a hardware RAID array which is known to have semi-poor performance |
| 19:56.22 | DexterF | --stride |
| 19:57.34 | DexterF | oh, wrong: -E stride= actually |
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| 20:00.17 | quote | Ok, this is the third time i'm asking: My apt-get install is STUCK on 50% - i cant install any packages. Why tha hell? |
| 20:00.20 | quote | fourth! |
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| 20:02.30 | quote | so is my aptitude |
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| 20:04.37 | PeterFA | What's the deal with libdvdcss in Debian? |
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| 20:04.47 | PeterFA | I need it to play a DVD. |
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| 20:05.00 | quote | Is this debian support |
| 20:05.00 | quote | ? |
| 20:05.01 | PeterFA | Each distro seems to have it's own attitude concerning libdvdcss. |
| 20:05.01 | quote | ?? |
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| 20:05.07 | themill | !dvd playback |
| 20:05.08 | dpkg | To play DVDs, you need some media playing software (ask me about <dvd> for some suggestions on viewers). You will also need libdvdcss2 libdvdnav4 libdvdread3 w32codecs some of which are in <debian-multimedia.org> (see <libdvdcss> <w32codecs>). You will also need to set a region on your dvd player if you have never done so before using regionset. Also ask me about <dvd playback troubleshooting>. |
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| 20:05.32 | mmnicolas | how can i lookup what xorg options are supported by my nvidia card ? i used to do X -configure to generate a xorg.conf containing all the available options but it doesnt seem to work anymore |
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| 20:06.36 | PeterFA | I guess I have to add the repository the. |
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| 20:07.06 | Tapout | DexterF, which is better.. xfs or jfs? in your opinion.. where i'm redoing it, may as well go for the best ;) I'm googling which is the best, but may as well cover my bases askign you directly |
| 20:07.45 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 20:07.46 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_file_systems |
| 20:08.00 | stew | quote: yes |
| 20:08.27 | stew | quote: what command are you running? |
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| 20:08.42 | PeterFA | Is debian-multimedia a repo? |
| 20:08.45 | valdyn | !d-m |
| 20:08.45 | dpkg | i heard dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 20:08.49 | DexterF | Tapout: they don't really differ that much in performance, so it comes down to personal preference. xfs has had some minor issues during the 2.6.1x kernel series which are rooted out. (I hope :) ) |
| 20:08.52 | valdyn | PeterFA: ^^ |
| 20:09.04 | quote | stew: apt-get install ANYTHING |
| 20:09.09 | quote | aptitude gets stuck to |
| 20:09.16 | quote | just sais Building dependency tree... 50% |
| 20:09.22 | Tapout | DexterF, which do you use? |
| 20:09.22 | quote | and thats it |
| 20:09.27 | JoshH | DexterF: it wasn't a minor issue when it trashed a bunch of my data :) |
| 20:09.36 | stew | quote: have you tried "aptitude update" ? |
| 20:10.26 | quote | stew: yes |
| 20:10.27 | DexterF | Tapout: xfs performs good on machines with lots of ram and deosn't take friendly to power loss, so if you have a cruddy power net be sure to have a ups ready. I use xfs myself, but rather out of habit than because of any real advantage over jfs I am aware of. |
| 20:10.34 | quote | stew: it also takes up 96% of my CPU |
| 20:10.44 | abrotman | DexterF: supposedly that's been fixed for awhile |
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| 20:10.47 | stew | quote: which does? |
| 20:10.52 | DexterF | abrotman: good to know :) |
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| 20:10.52 | valdyn | xfs has some very nice capabilities |
| 20:11.01 | valdyn | only growth, online defrag |
| 20:11.23 | quote | stew: ANY commands related to apt-get or aptitude!! |
| 20:11.31 | n3kl | not being able to shrink xfs is the one reason I don't use it |
| 20:11.38 | stew | quote: that's good |
| 20:11.44 | stew | quote: what version of apt is this |
| 20:12.24 | DexterF | n3kl: well, if you need to shrink a partition better back it up and alter the partition table anyway. yes, I know, I ran into on e or two occassions where I would have found it useful, too. |
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| 20:12.58 | magyar_ | any news as to when lenny will move towards stable? |
| 20:13.14 | stew | magyar_: it freezes this week |
| 20:13.21 | magyar_ | wow |
| 20:13.25 | valdyn | magyar_: theres new kernels for etch too |
| 20:13.27 | EmleyMoor | magyar_: When it's ready. I gather that the freez... stew took the words out of my mouth |
| 20:13.35 | flami | Hi, I just ran valgrind on a tiny lil program : " struct passwd *pwd = getpwuid(1000); printf("bla %s \n", pwd->pw_name); " and it says that I leak 36 bytes. Now im wondering what happened .is that normal ? |
| 20:13.41 | stew | magyar_: it becomes stable when it has 0 release critical bugs |
| 20:13.46 | Tapout | chops / valdyn, they have 1KB on /boot, 4KB on / .. hah, i was only checking sda1 and not bothering with the other partitions, my fault ;) |
| 20:14.02 | EmleyMoor | stew: How frozen does it become this week? |
| 20:14.14 | magyar_ | stew, where do you read this info? I just googled and get old forums and such |
| 20:14.58 | peppe | a suggestion for a minimal web server that just shares a directory on a certain port? no configuration, run as user, no issues for cgis or whatever... |
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| 20:15.02 | User1__ | hi all |
| 20:15.09 | quote | stew: apt 0.7.14 for i386 compiled on Jun 8 2008 12:27:50 |
| 20:15.10 | User1__ | I have a quick question |
| 20:15.18 | stew | magyar_: EmleyMoor: the latest post to http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce |
| 20:15.19 | Jemt | How can I list _all_ files and folders within /home/user/.wine ? |
| 20:15.29 | User1__ | I have debian..how do I make it see a new SATA drive that I have connected while the system is on? |
| 20:15.36 | pumpkin0 | Jemt: find dir-you-want |
| 20:15.40 | stew | err not the latest, the one before that |
| 20:15.42 | DexterF | talking about lenny: encountered a bug today I can't relate to anything. might be udev, might be kernel or something else. had the same disk appear twice as sda and sde and it was really twisted, root was on sda, home and var on sde. complete fscked up the boot process |
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| 20:15.44 | Jemt | pumpkin0: Nifty, thanks |
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| 20:16.08 | Jemt | And if I only want directories ? |
| 20:16.21 | chops | valdyn: Tapout is also using a non-Debian-provided mysql 5.1 |
| 20:16.23 | assasukasse | hi, i need to reflash my printer, using lpt1, they advice me to: Go into MS-DOS and go to the directory that you saved the files to. |
| 20:16.23 | assasukasse | 5, Type : "COPY 7892B25L.PJL >LPT1: /b" (small B!) |
| 20:16.26 | pumpkin0 | Jemt: file -filetype=d (not so sure about that one ... ) |
| 20:16.26 | stew | EmleyMoor: it becomes as frozen as it ever gets, which means only specifically hinted in packages move aiui |
| 20:16.29 | assasukasse | how do i go in debian? |
| 20:16.33 | DexterF | User1__: is your controller hotpluggable? scsi-add -s perhaps? |
| 20:16.35 | pumpkin0 | Jemt: ermm.. moment |
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| 20:16.46 | Jemt | pumpkin0: Okay, I'll check the man for further information. Thanks :) |
| 20:16.51 | User1__ | itis hot pluggable.. |
| 20:16.57 | User1__ | scsi-add -s.. |
| 20:16.59 | User1__ | I will try it..thx |
| 20:17.00 | stew | quote: check the bts if you haven't alreaedy, if i were you i'd strace it |
| 20:17.17 | pumpkin0 | Jemt: find -type d |
| 20:17.19 | Jemt | pumpkin0: -type d (i think) |
| 20:17.20 | Jemt | Yes :) |
| 20:17.27 | quote | bts ? |
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| 20:17.35 | quote | i cant strace cuz i cant apt-get strace |
| 20:17.35 | quote | :S |
| 20:17.45 | DexterF | User1__: if no other disk you need is in that controller you might rmmod and probe the module again, too |
| 20:17.50 | stew | quote: you can install it with dpkg |
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| 20:18.10 | User1__ | okay dexter |
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| 20:18.16 | User1__ | scsi-add command not found |
| 20:18.30 | DexterF | User1__: as root |
| 20:18.36 | User1__ | I am I believe |
| 20:18.44 | DexterF | User1__: ah, its scsiadd |
| 20:18.47 | DexterF | no - |
| 20:18.49 | Jemt | Thanks, pumpkin0 |
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| 20:19.23 | User1__ | thx..will try..brb |
| 20:19.57 | quote | stew: http://www.nopaste.com/p/an1Z79S97 |
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| 20:20.08 | pothibo | is most of Debian written in C? |
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| 20:20.58 | pickcoder | pothibo: that's an extremely broad question |
| 20:21.08 | pgpkeys | debian is a distro. it's not written in any particular language. the kernel (linux) is written in assembly and C, the apps are written in just about every language out there |
| 20:21.08 | DexterF | pothibo: uh. weird question. some is C, some is C++, some java, some python... |
| 20:21.11 | pothibo | yeah though so... I felt the same way :) |
| 20:21.50 | abrotman | how about .. some of everything ? :) |
| 20:22.01 | DexterF | brainfuck? :) |
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| 20:22.03 | pothibo | I am learning c++ right now.. cuz I am interested into helping in a project.. but I feel I am way too inexperienced to be able to give any help to them, so I'm trying to find out.. what I should do to gain experienced.. |
| 20:22.04 | pickcoder | if you drill down to the lowest depends, I'm sure C or C++ is there |
| 20:22.12 | stew | quote: it could be your status file, you might try saving yours and trying one from /var/backups |
| 20:22.23 | pickcoder | the other languages are interpreted or byte-code compiled languages |
| 20:22.25 | quote | where's the status file |
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| 20:22.48 | quote | ah nvm |
| 20:23.05 | stew | quote: /var/lib/dpkg/status, make sure to save a copy |
| 20:23.06 | DexterF | pothibo: well... get a good book on c++ and read code. #c++ possibly is a good place to look into. what project? (curious) |
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| 20:23.17 | stew | quote: have you checked the bts? |
| 20:23.19 | valdyn | pothibo: learn C, thats alot more suitable for the vast majority of free software |
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| 20:23.40 | quote | stew: i think it was the status file |
| 20:23.43 | quote | seems fine now |
| 20:23.51 | pickcoder | C is also the best language to learn fundamentals in |
| 20:24.03 | pgpkeys | c or c++. you'll find about equal amounts of each. especially when getting into anything X11 related (C++) |
| 20:24.07 | DexterF | valdyn: I disagree. most kde stuff for example is in C++, and non-OO code is.. well... not obsoloete now, but a dying art. yes, I know, the kernel. |
| 20:24.13 | pickcoder | C++ does a lot of house keeping that people tend to forget about |
| 20:24.28 | pgpkeys | best is subjective. it all depends on who you're talking to |
| 20:24.43 | valdyn | DexterF: im just going by statistics of free software. |
| 20:24.56 | pickcoder | pgpkeys: how so? |
| 20:25.03 | DexterF | valdyn: and I'm just saying |
| 20:25.05 | valdyn | DexterF: most is C, followed by C++, third place could be python, i dont know |
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| 20:25.15 | pothibo | pickcoder: yeah, that's why I kind of like c++ it seems to be more strict than C |
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| 20:25.24 | pgpkeys | pickcoder - uhh how so what? |
| 20:25.28 | stew | quote: you should reinstall anything that you installed/removed since the status file you just restored |
| 20:25.36 | pickcoder | "best is subjective..." |
| 20:25.54 | magyar_ | dash is the default shell for lenny? |
| 20:26.03 | valdyn | pothibo: C++ is tricky because it requires you to know C aswell and also to know to seperate them |
| 20:26.08 | pgpkeys | i know you're not sitting there seriously asking that question. must be a brain fart so I'll leave it be |
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| 20:26.20 | Cpudan80 | Hello all |
| 20:26.29 | pothibo | pgpkeys: ? |
| 20:26.29 | Cpudan80 | How do I get a script to execute when the user types "reboot" ? |
| 20:26.36 | pothibo | valdyn: ok... |
| 20:26.50 | Cpudan80 | I linked it in to /etc/rc6.d/ but its not executing |
| 20:26.53 | stew | magyar_: it might have switch to be the default /bin/sh implementation but the not the default user shell |
| 20:27.00 | pgpkeys | what's there to question? best is subjective. everyone had their own opinion of best. |
| 20:27.07 | stew | actually have we made that switch yet? |
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| 20:28.39 | ZitZ | hello, i'm having trouble logging into gnome |
| 20:28.42 | peterrooney | stew: I have, and my machine boots in 0.79 seconds |
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| 20:29.06 | stew | ZitZ: what trouble? |
| 20:29.31 | PeterFA | How do I add the key to get the backports repository to work without that warning? |
| 20:29.44 | stew | PeterFA: read the instructions page at backports.org |
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| 20:29.48 | ZitZ | Last night i reinstalled debian, but I left my seperate home partition installed, now when i log in all i see is the cursor |
| 20:29.56 | PeterFA | stew, ok. |
| 20:30.18 | valdyn | ZitZ: which was your desktop environment before? |
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| 20:30.48 | ZitZ | I always use gnome, but right now I'm logged into e17 |
| 20:31.01 | valdyn | ZitZ: so maybe you should install gnome |
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| 20:31.33 | ZitZ | It is installed, the only difference is I have been trying to do a minimal install without installing gnome-desktop-environment |
| 20:31.53 | valdyn | ZitZ: gnome-desktop-environment is less than gnome |
| 20:32.27 | ZitZ | Do i really need gnome or gnome-desktop-environment for gnome to work? |
| 20:32.33 | stew | ZitZ: no |
| 20:32.52 | stew | ZitZ: do you have a .xsession? have you checked .xsession-errors |
| 20:33.20 | ZitZ | Yeah, there is nothing in it pertaining to gnome |
| 20:33.53 | stew | ZitZ: that would explain gnome not starting then |
| 20:33.59 | ZitZ | When I log into gnome, it doesn't give me errors or tell me to check the xsession-errors file |
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| 20:34.20 | valdyn | ZitZ: but gnome is not installed, you said |
| 20:34.25 | valdyn | ZitZ: what is installed then? |
| 20:34.55 | ZitZ | yes, i installed gnome-core, gnome-session, gnome-panel, nautilus |
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| 20:35.08 | ZitZ | and other gnome packages as well |
| 20:35.21 | valdyn | ZitZ: now you just miss the window manager, probably |
| 20:35.25 | stew | clearly gnome is installed if he is running gdm, since gdm depends on gnome-session |
| 20:35.28 | valdyn | ZitZ: its probably set to metacity |
| 20:35.40 | stew | ZitZ: which session type are you asking for when you login via gdm? |
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| 20:36.03 | stew | ZitZ: are you selecting a window manager? or 'default session' or what? |
| 20:36.08 | ZitZ | i think i have metacity install, when I log in via gdm I check the gnome circle |
| 20:36.44 | valdyn | ZitZ: dont guess, just go look: "dpkg -l metacity" |
| 20:37.10 | ZitZ | yes i have metacity installed, but i have no idea what session i am choosing, but i already tried copying the default xsession file to my home directory |
| 20:37.10 | stew | ZitZ: what does "readlink -f $(which x-window-manager)" return? |
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| 20:37.35 | stew | i don't know what gdm does if you select 'gnome' when logging in, does it completely ignore .xsession? |
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| 20:37.44 | valdyn | stew: yes |
| 20:38.15 | ZitZ | that command says, /usr/bin/e16 as the window-manager |
| 20:38.29 | valdyn | stew: everything but "default session" or whatsitsname will ignore .xsession |
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| 20:39.49 | assasukasse | someone can translate this dos command into unix one please? COPY 7892B25L.PJL >LPT1: /b |
| 20:40.13 | valdyn | assasukasse: that depends on what that command actually does |
| 20:40.19 | valdyn | assasukasse: or rather, what you want it to do |
| 20:40.30 | assasukasse | valdyn: i need to flash my printer rom |
| 20:40.32 | \amethyst | assasukasse: cp 7892B25L.PJL /dev/lp0 |
| 20:40.33 | assasukasse | that got blocked |
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| 20:40.39 | assasukasse | thanks \amethyst |
| 20:41.18 | \amethyst | assasukasse: you have to be either root in in the lp group to do that, btw |
| 20:41.23 | \amethyst | s/in in/or in/ |
| 20:41.27 | assasukasse | yup i saw |
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| 20:42.05 | magyar_ | valdyn, "magyar_: theres new kernels for etch too" <-- 2.6.18-6 is the only one on the repos |
| 20:42.06 | ZitZ | how do i change gnome's window manager back to metacity without being logged into gnome? |
| 20:42.12 | valdyn | !bpo |
| 20:42.13 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 20:42.18 | valdyn | magyar_: ^^ |
| 20:42.28 | valdyn | !etchnhalf |
| 20:42.28 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf , report bugs and problems to their mailing list please. |
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| 20:44.37 | stew | ZitZ: what is the default window manager now? |
| 20:44.45 | stew | oh |
| 20:44.49 | zyx386 | can anyone tell me how can i remove enter default keyring by wireless connection, or that is gnome problem not Debian? |
| 20:44.58 | stew | ZitZ: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 20:44.59 | assasukasse | \amethyst: nothing happens... |
| 20:45.55 | assasukasse | \amethyst: how do i check the lp0 is working fine? |
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| 20:46.56 | \amethyst | assasukasse: one way would be to cat a file in its native language and see if it responds |
| 20:47.06 | \amethyst | assasukasse: is this a winprinter? |
| 20:47.17 | ZitZ | stew, it's /usr/bin/e16 |
| 20:47.25 | \amethyst | assasukasse: I would imagine not if it has a ROM |
| 20:47.33 | \amethyst | and does PJL :) |
| 20:47.34 | assasukasse | \amethyst: no an optra T614 a network printer that crushed its network card |
| 20:47.39 | assasukasse | so i am reflashing |
| 20:47.50 | assasukasse | or at least trying to |
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| 20:47.59 | ZitZ | wait, i think i got it |
| 20:48.17 | zamba | i want to run the root file system off compact flash medium.. where can i find resources/packages for this? |
| 20:49.01 | zamba | i want to run a semi-embedded system.. where the important and vital parts of the file system are on the compact flash, but the rest is written to hard drive |
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| 20:49.16 | danielvrf | hi all |
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| 20:49.41 | ZitZ | no, it still doesn't work, and neither does the failsafe gnome |
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| 20:51.43 | Strog576 | is there a way to set the default of the iptable? |
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| 20:52.34 | magyar_ | valdyn, thanks, that was neat |
| 20:52.50 | Knifa | Hello. I'm having some problems with apt and upgrading my system. Every time I go to upgrade all of the packages that are to be upgraded complain of an "Exec format error" in the post-removal script. Installing new things also gets the same problem. http://paste.debian.net/12244/ is a log of me trying to upgrade. |
| 20:53.12 | pickcoder | Strog576: the default of a clean iptables setup is "allow" |
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| 20:53.43 | Strog576 | pickcoder: so what is to do exactly? |
| 20:53.59 | pickcoder | that depends on what you want to accomplish |
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| 20:54.30 | stew | Knifa: what does "ls -l /bin/sh" return? |
| 20:54.45 | pickcoder | you can create an iptables load script and an unload script that can be called in various places |
| 20:55.02 | pickcoder | I like to attach them to the ifup and ifdown scripts |
| 20:55.31 | pickcoder | provided they are interface specific |
| 20:55.34 | Strog576 | pickcoder: im not a pro at this |
| 20:55.47 | Knifa | stew, lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 4 2007-11-30 09:47 /bin/sh -> bash* |
| 20:55.58 | pickcoder | Strog576: what is the end result |
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| 20:56.00 | Folk_Theory | stew: my guess is itll tell you whether youre using dash or bash |
| 20:56.04 | stew | Knifa: what does "file /bin/bash" return? |
| 20:56.13 | stew | Folk_Theory: it would |
| 20:56.14 | Strog576 | pickcoder, of what? |
| 20:56.18 | Knifa | stew, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 677184 2006-12-11 21:20 /bin/bash* |
| 20:56.29 | pickcoder | iptables |
| 20:56.41 | Strog576 | iptables -L? |
| 20:56.57 | pickcoder | what do you want out of iptables?? |
| 20:57.06 | pickcoder | NAT? firewall? |
| 20:57.12 | pickcoder | a specific port forward |
| 20:57.54 | Strog576 | pickcoder, what are the exact commands? |
| 20:58.04 | stew | Strog576: to do what? |
| 20:58.07 | pickcoder | how the hll do I know?? |
| 20:58.12 | pickcoder | what are you trying to do? |
| 20:58.17 | Knifa | D: |
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| 20:58.36 | Strog576 | stew: to restore the iptables |
| 20:58.43 | pgpkeys | you want specifics? come on man, you know IRC requires a Mind Reading degree |
| 20:58.49 | pickcoder | you have to have a stored table file to begin with |
| 20:58.53 | pickcoder | did you iptables-save? |
| 20:59.01 | stew | Strog576: you want to delete all the rules? |
| 20:59.11 | stew | Strog576: or you have a saved set of rules you want to restore? |
| 20:59.13 | Strog576 | stew reset actually |
| 20:59.18 | stew | Strog576: what do you mean by reset? |
| 20:59.22 | Strog576 | i dont have anything saved |
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| 20:59.32 | stew | Strog576: so you want to delete all the rules? |
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| 20:59.43 | Strog576 | well the iptable is kinda screwed |
| 20:59.43 | stew | Strog576: can you show us the output of "iptables -L -n" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 20:59.57 | pickcoder | Strog576: iptables -F will remove all rules and return the 3 default chains to allow |
| 21:00.06 | Strog576 | ok |
| 21:00.14 | pickcoder | man iptables |
| 21:00.15 | stew | pickcoder: i don't think it resets the policies |
| 21:00.22 | pickcoder | there is no " reset " |
| 21:00.26 | pickcoder | without a previous iptables-save |
| 21:00.32 | pickcoder | or a start script of some kind |
| 21:00.48 | stew | Strog576: if the default policies are not ALLOW, you need to change those with -P |
| 21:00.57 | pickcoder | stew: they are on Debian |
| 21:01.06 | pickcoder | unless a start script changes it |
| 21:01.07 | stew | pickcoder: what is what on debian? |
| 21:01.12 | pickcoder | the default is allow |
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| 21:01.20 | Strog576 | stew 1 sec |
| 21:01.32 | stew | pickcoder: yes, and there are no rules by default, as well, so should we just tell him "do nothing" Instead of "iptables -F" ? |
| 21:01.42 | Strog576 | iptables -F didnt work |
| 21:01.48 | pickcoder | walks away |
| 21:02.05 | stew | Strog576: be more specific, what were you expecting it to do, and what did it do instead? |
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| 21:02.40 | Strog576 | well i cant get on the internet |
| 21:02.45 | Strog576 | and i cant ping |
| 21:02.52 | valmorg | My xchat 2.6.8 is not using color codes, why is that? |
| 21:03.24 | Strog576 | i have 3 interfaces |
| 21:03.32 | Strog576 | all are on drop policy |
| 21:03.41 | valmorg | Even in channels with color activated, I don't see any colors. |
| 21:03.46 | stew | Strog576: show us the output of "ifconfig ; route -n ; iptables -L -n" |
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| 21:03.52 | stew | Strog576: show us the output of "ifconfig ; route -n ; iptables -L -n" |
| 21:04.06 | Strog576 | back |
| 21:04.11 | Knifa | anyone have any ideas why apt is spitting out exec format error at me? D: |
| 21:04.18 | stew | Knifa: what does "file /bin/bash" return? |
| 21:04.36 | Knifa | it opens a bash shell |
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| 21:05.16 | Strog576 | 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 ath0 |
| 21:05.26 | stew | Knifa: type this command, in the bash shell, and tell me what it returns: "file /bin/bash" |
| 21:05.31 | Knifa | oh right |
| 21:05.34 | Knifa | sorry heh |
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| 21:05.49 | Knifa | /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.1, stripped |
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| 21:06.11 | Strog576 | 0.0.0.0 192.168.2.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 ath0 |
| 21:06.16 | oliver_g1 | hi |
| 21:06.19 | Strog576 | stew you there? |
| 21:06.27 | stew | Strog576: please don't paste int the channel, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 21:06.42 | oliver_g1 | I have tried to install package pcmanfm on my testing/unstable system... |
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| 21:07.01 | Strog576 | stew the laptop doesnt has an internet connection |
| 21:07.05 | stew | Knifa: what does "head -1 /var/lib/dpkg/info/ruby1.8.postrm" return ? |
| 21:07.16 | Strog576 | im forced to |
| 21:07.16 | stew | Strog576: yes, i've gathered |
| 21:07.18 | Knifa | stew, head: cannot open `/var/lib/dpkg/info/ruby1.8.postrm' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 21:07.19 | stew | Strog576: you are forced to what? |
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| 21:07.29 | Strog576 | type it into the channel |
| 21:07.38 | oliver_g1 | but aptitude fails to resolve all dependencies, because pcmanfm requires gamin which conflicts with libfam which is required by libfam-dev which is required by some kdevlib-dev ... |
| 21:07.46 | wols | asg: Strog576 type it in a pastebin next time |
| 21:07.53 | wols | Strog576: ^^ |
| 21:08.00 | oliver_g1 | any idea where to find or file a bug report for this problem? |
| 21:08.01 | Strog576 | will do |
| 21:08.29 | stew | Strog576: please don't. please put it into a pastebin. if you have the machine on the lan you can run "(command1;command2;command3) > file " to put the output into a file, then move that file over your lan, or via a usb key or floppy, then upload the file to http://paste.debian.net |
| 21:08.30 | wols | Strog576: is your internet hanging from the ath0 wklan interface? |
| 21:08.34 | abrotman | oliver_g1: in unstable ? |
| 21:08.43 | oliver_g1 | abrotman: in testing |
| 21:08.57 | thingfish | my poor play box |
| 21:08.58 | abrotman | oliver_g1: it's possible not everything has flowed in yet .. not really a bug |
| 21:08.59 | oliver_g1 | with pcmanfm 0.4.3-1 |
| 21:09.09 | thingfish | my boredom is its worst enemy |
| 21:09.26 | oliver_g1 | abrotman: the newer pcmanfm version seems to have the same gamin dep still :-/ |
| 21:09.50 | abrotman | oliver_g1: paste the whole output of `aptitude install pcmanfm` |
| 21:09.53 | oliver_g1 | but ok, I'll wait (it was more some curiosity to test that lxde stuff) |
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| 21:09.57 | stew | Knifa: does "aptitude reinstall pacakgname" work for any of the pacakges it is complaining about? |
| 21:09.59 | oliver_g1 | moment... |
| 21:10.09 | stew | i'm not sure why its complaining about a postrm that doesn't exist |
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| 21:11.04 | Knifa | stewm nope |
| 21:11.15 | Knifa | it spits out the same errors and doesn't seem to do anything |
| 21:11.19 | Knifa | stew,* |
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| 21:12.00 | lkni | hi, diskspace on my / is consumed for 70% although there's no reason to, ... if checked with "du -ms ./*|sort -n" and there not a single directory containing the size which is consumed, ... |
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| 21:13.12 | abrotman | taps his finger on the desk |
| 21:13.18 | oliver_g1 | http://paste.debian.net/12255/ |
| 21:13.25 | oliver_g1 | abrotman: there you go :-) |
| 21:13.36 | stew | Knifa: what does "dpkg -l ruby1.8" return? |
| 21:13.56 | oliver_g1 | I included the first three suggested solutions which all seemed useless to me, and stopped then... |
| 21:14.05 | oliver_g1 | how many more would you like to see? |
| 21:14.26 | abrotman | oliver_g1: if you ask for an `aptitude dist-upgrade` .. how many packages does it want to upgrade ? |
| 21:14.37 | oliver_g1 | abrotman: many... |
| 21:14.41 | oliver_g1 | (i suppose) |
| 21:14.55 | oliver_g1 | 1236 packages upgraded, 189 newly installed, 83 to remove and 3 not upgraded. |
| 21:15.02 | abrotman | seriously? |
| 21:15.07 | oliver_g1 | yes :/ |
| 21:15.14 | abrotman | oliver_g1: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 21:15.32 | oliver_g1 | ii libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:15.45 | stew | oliver_g1: you are running a mix of stable and testing, which is strongly recommended against. which version are you actually intending to run? |
| 21:15.57 | abrotman | don't think he has a choice now |
| 21:16.02 | oliver_g1 | stew: I have no intentions... |
| 21:16.06 | Knifa | stew: http://paste.debian.net/12258/ |
| 21:16.14 | abrotman | oliver_g1: put your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 21:16.19 | stew | oliver_g1: then you are all set |
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| 21:17.37 | zyx386 | i use lenny and have by Startup list of kernel version, how can i remove all exclude the last kernelversion? |
| 21:17.37 | stew | oliver_g1: are any of your partitions full? |
| 21:17.51 | oliver_g1 | stew: if full means "0 byte free", then no |
| 21:17.51 | wols | Sysctl__: uninstall the kernels you don't want |
| 21:17.52 | stew | oliver_g1: it looks like you got a bunch of packages half-way installed |
| 21:17.53 | oliver_g1 | :-D |
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| 21:18.03 | stew | oliver_g1: sorry, not you |
| 21:18.08 | stew | Knifa: are any of your partitions full? |
| 21:18.10 | wols | zyx386: uninstall the kernels you don't want |
| 21:18.18 | stew | Knifa: it looks like you got a bunch of packages half-way installed |
| 21:18.20 | abrotman | i think he's asking how |
| 21:18.25 | Knifa | stew odd |
| 21:18.27 | Knifa | also no none are full |
| 21:18.41 | zyx386 | wols, is installed automaticly by upgrade |
| 21:18.45 | stew | Knifa: you might try 'dpkg --configure -a' or 'dpkg --configure packagename" |
| 21:18.47 | oliver_g1 | abrotman: here's the sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/12259/ |
| 21:18.52 | oliver_g1 | have a good laugh :-/ |
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| 21:19.08 | stew | holy cripes |
| 21:19.09 | \amethyst | zyx386: yes, but once you boot to a new kernel and verify that it works, it's safe to remove the old ones |
| 21:19.25 | wols | zyx386: still means you can uninstall the pacakges you don't want |
| 21:19.27 | abrotman | oliver_g1: i have no idea where you got that sources.list .. but it's going to break your system some day |
| 21:19.41 | abrotman | oliver_g1: you cannot mix stable and testing .. something will break |
| 21:19.47 | stew | abrotman: and that some day is in the past |
| 21:19.49 | Knifa | stew: doing dpkg --configure -a doesn't help, dpkg --configure <packagename> makes it say "cannot configure (current status: half installed)" |
| 21:19.53 | zyx386 | \amethyst, ok thanx |
| 21:19.53 | oliver_g1 | abrotman: most of the lines are disabled (old stuff) |
| 21:19.54 | \amethyst | zyx386: they're not removed by default because A. they're running, and uninstalling it would break module loading until a reboot and B. you might need them if the new kernel doesn't work on your hardware |
| 21:20.12 | abrotman | oliver_g1: uhm .. you have both testing and stable uncommented .. this is *bad* |
| 21:20.20 | oliver_g1 | hm ok |
| 21:20.29 | stew | Knifa: try "dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/ruby1.8_1.8.5-4etch2_i386.deb" |
| 21:20.34 | zyx386 | \amethyst, ok idont remove it :) |
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| 21:20.50 | stew | oliver_g1: what are you using this machine for? |
| 21:20.52 | abrotman | oliver_g1: i'd try (this might not go well) .. to comment out everything except your testing sources (you need testing security sources btw) .. and finish your dist-upgrade |
| 21:21.00 | \amethyst | zyx386: if the last boot option works, you can remove the other ones |
| 21:21.04 | oliver_g1 | stew: normal home desktop system |
| 21:21.26 | \amethyst | zyx386: they're mostly there in case the last one didn't work, but it sounds like it does work |
| 21:21.46 | Knifa | stew: it says the same exec format error, since it tries to uninstall it force it seems |
| 21:21.59 | oliver_g1 | abrotman: I don't want to upgrade all the packages! I upgrade only selected packages (after checking changelog etc.) |
| 21:22.02 | zyx386 | the last boot otion worked fine, \amethyst |
| 21:22.16 | stew | oliver_g1: then do what abrotman is recommending. in the future, you should try to stick to only one release, you are currently looking at packages for at least 3, and don't use packages marked as 'experimental' |
| 21:22.21 | abrotman | oliver_g1: okay .. your funeral :) |
| 21:22.23 | abrotman | goes home |
| 21:22.31 | oliver_g1 | heh |
| 21:22.40 | oliver_g1 | eh |
| 21:22.47 | stew | oliver_g1: i'd recommend using the aptitude frontend then |
| 21:22.58 | oliver_g1 | I didn't mean to anger/scare abrotman away :-( |
| 21:23.07 | oliver_g1 | stew: yes, that's what I do |
| 21:23.12 | stew | oliver_g1: you didn't, he's going home from work |
| 21:23.19 | oliver_g1 | ok |
| 21:23.28 | stew | oliver_g1: but you should definately comment out everything but the testing sources, and dist-upgrade |
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| 21:24.25 | oliver_g1 | stew: thanks for the suggestion; I'll try that the next days |
| 21:25.33 | Knifa | hmm |
| 21:26.13 | oliver_g1 | anyway, what I _originally_ wanted to say is: "it seems you can't have kdelibs4-dev and pcmanfm installed on the same system" |
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| 21:26.31 | oliver_g1 | I dare you to try :-) and/or come up with a bug report |
| 21:26.43 | oliver_g1 | because I have no idea where to report that bug |
| 21:26.54 | Knifa | stew: is there anything else i can try? |
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| 21:27.19 | Knifa | like can i make it install without removing first |
| 21:28.07 | bolt | Is there a way to put changing workspace in X into a console command? Using blackbox wm if that matters... |
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| 21:28.27 | bolt | Trying to make a script which starts all my programs in the workspaces where I want them |
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| 21:30.18 | gentlyninja | i made a dist-upgrade in testing and banshee music player crashes when it starts playing a song + no icons in the iconbar. is this a known issue? |
| 21:31.45 | wols | gentlyninja: check bts. /msg dpkg bts |
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| 21:32.51 | helo | files in /dev/shm aren't written to disk (unless swap is being used), right? |
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| 21:34.34 | wols | shm is "shared memory" |
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| 21:34.58 | oliver_g1 | wow... uninstalling eclipse-cdt and eclipse-pydev will free 492 MB |
| 21:35.04 | Tr0gd0r | is there anyway to kick someone from ssh? |
| 21:35.05 | Knifa | Is there a way to reinstall a package without running the uninstall scripts with apt? |
| 21:35.16 | oliver_g1 | and there I thought nexuiz etc. are the biggest apps available... |
| 21:35.18 | wols | Tr0gd0r: kill is sshd |
| 21:35.37 | wols | Knifa: why not? |
| 21:35.56 | Tr0gd0r | wols all i know is their pts |
| 21:35.58 | Knifa | wols: what do you mean? D: |
| 21:36.03 | Tr0gd0r | i dunno which sshd they are logged into |
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| 21:36.24 | wols | Knifa: I mean why'd you want such a thing that's not needed |
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| 21:36.27 | Tr0gd0r | wols? |
| 21:36.37 | wols | Tr0gd0r: then find out? |
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| 21:36.58 | oliver_g1 | Tr0gd0r: you are on the machine where sshd is running, and want to disconnect someone else's ssh session? |
| 21:37.21 | Knifa | wols: some packages are half-installed, and trying to reinstall them causes it to complain and abort because the uninstall scripts are missing. |
| 21:37.40 | wols | then create dummy one |
| 21:37.49 | Tr0gd0r | oliver i figured it out |
| 21:38.01 | Tr0gd0r | it seems as if someone got our passwd for root and was logged in |
| 21:38.04 | Tr0gd0r | from a jp ip |
| 21:38.09 | Tr0gd0r | anyway to tell what they did? |
| 21:38.09 | loony | hum.. how do I install firefox when aptitude install firefox doesnt work and I dont have a web browser? |
| 21:38.14 | wols | nice. time for a reinstall Tr0gd0r |
| 21:38.28 | wols | !tell loony about doesn't work |
| 21:38.34 | wols | loony: I'd install iceweasel |
| 21:38.35 | grul | loony, try iceweasel |
| 21:38.46 | oliver_g1 | Tr0gd0r: no idea... what wols said probably |
| 21:38.57 | loony | hehe |
| 21:38.59 | grul | !doesn't work |
| 21:38.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 21:39.03 | wols | Tr0gd0r: no way at all since the guy had root |
| 21:39.10 | grul | *just curious* |
| 21:39.20 | wols | !tell grul about msgthebot |
| 21:39.23 | Tr0gd0r | wols oh shit :( |
| 21:39.25 | Tr0gd0r | damnit |
| 21:39.32 | Tr0gd0r | i just got this reinstalled less than a week ago |
| 21:39.47 | wols | then secure it better next time |
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| 21:39.53 | grul | wols, oh :) |
| 21:39.56 | oliver_g1 | Tr0gd0r: well then you should be able to remember what you did during installation |
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| 21:40.07 | wols | you should try to find out how he came in. and disconnect the machine from the net totally |
| 21:40.08 | oliver_g1 | Tr0gd0r: is that a server? |
| 21:40.13 | Tr0gd0r | yeah |
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| 21:40.51 | oliver_g1 | for servers, it's really useful to write down a step-by-step guide for reinstallation |
| 21:40.57 | oliver_g1 | with diffs for config files etc. |
| 21:41.20 | Tr0gd0r | well it has nothing running on it |
| 21:41.25 | Tr0gd0r | its not hard to reinstall |
| 21:41.29 | oliver_g1 | makes it really easy to switch to another machine, or to switch to another distribution :-D |
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| 21:42.46 | Tr0gd0r | can you block ssh to a range of ips? |
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| 21:43.01 | oliver_g1 | Tr0gd0r: with iptables probably yes |
| 21:43.05 | Tr0gd0r | like my ip is dynamic |
| 21:43.36 | oliver_g1 | or use something like fail2ban, for blocking all IPs that made several bad logins |
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| 21:45.03 | trinux | can fail2ban work with an iptables that cant do stateful packet inspection? |
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| 21:45.17 | oliver_g1 | (don't know) |
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| 21:45.51 | trinux | cause lots of these vserver diseases dont enable that kernel feature |
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| 21:46.14 | Tr0gd0r | so whats the best way to lock down SSH? Change SSH port, install fail2ban. what else can i do? |
| 21:46.27 | aleksanteri | pkill sshd? |
| 21:46.28 | aleksanteri | :D |
| 21:46.40 | oliver_g1 | trinux: well ok, I don't have fail2ban running on a vserver, so no idea |
| 21:46.44 | Tr0gd0r | I just did this reinstall so i didnt even have time to change root passwd to something good |
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| 21:47.01 | Tr0gd0r | the root passwd was all lower case no numbers or symbols |
| 21:47.01 | Tr0gd0r | lol |
| 21:47.07 | Tr0gd0r | and a dictionary word |
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| 21:49.03 | mishohimself | Hey guys, I just installed debian on a toshiba satellite laptop and there are no ttys. How can I fix that? Any ideas? |
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| 21:51.32 | bolt | mishohimself: what do you mean no ttys? |
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| 21:52.06 | mishohimself | there are no |
| 21:52.10 | mishohimself | tty* |
| 21:52.10 | Knifa | is sharutils broken or something |
| 21:52.13 | mishohimself | devices in |
| 21:52.17 | Knifa | the latest update for it |
| 21:52.20 | Knifa | i keep getting files list file for package `libpcrecpp0' is missing final newline |
| 21:52.22 | Knifa | D:< |
| 21:52.27 | mishohimself | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:52.43 | bolt | !tell Knifa about bdo |
| 21:52.51 | jazotic | looking for some SW that listens on a local IRC channel and exec something whenever somebody logs in |
| 21:52.55 | bolt | er. |
| 21:53.05 | pickcoder | trinux: yes |
| 21:53.17 | pickcoder | there are two different iptables.conf files under action.d |
| 21:53.19 | bolt | !tell Knifa about bts |
| 21:53.22 | pickcoder | one for state and one without |
| 21:53.25 | trinux | pickcoder: very nice :) |
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| 21:53.29 | Knifa | okay |
| 21:54.16 | GuySoft | hi all, i have a audio transmitter that is detected by the snd-usb-audio driver. is there a way to make it run aside my current sound card? |
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| 21:55.13 | pickcoder | it also supports ipfw |
| 21:55.29 | pickcoder | and shorewall |
| 21:55.37 | mishohimself | bolt, er.. any ideas? |
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| 21:56.02 | bolt | mishohimself: nope, sorry. never had that problem. |
| 21:56.11 | Knifa | apparently this package is a million years old |
| 21:56.15 | Knifa | why is it suddenly broken now |
| 21:57.05 | mishohimself | bolt, thanks anyway.. hmm.. I thought something went wrong in installation so I tried reinstalling, but it's all the same |
| 21:57.33 | bolt | Knifa: you're trying to install a new package? |
| 21:57.47 | Knifa | wait no something else broke |
| 21:57.48 | Knifa | it's fine |
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| 21:58.19 | bolt | Knifa: perhaps a broken download? try to rm /var/cache/apt/archives/<package> |
| 21:58.30 | Knifa | it was another package that was breaking heh |
| 21:58.35 | Knifa | i think my drive is corrupt :( |
| 21:58.58 | Knifa | and now sudo is breaking |
| 21:58.59 | Knifa | good god |
| 21:59.08 | bolt | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Ubuntu/2007-01/msg01027.html |
| 21:59.17 | bolt | Knifa --^ |
| 21:59.42 | jcranmer | what is the best alternative to apt-src if I want to use upstream sources? |
| 21:59.51 | amphi | Knifa: run smartctl on it perhaps - if it's out of realloc blocks, it's as good as dead |
| 22:00.00 | Knifa | bolt ah thanks |
| 22:00.19 | bolt | Knifa: it's for ubuntu, but might contain clues |
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| 22:00.22 | Knifa | yeah |
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| 22:00.33 | wlievens | E: Build-dependencies for libapache2-svn could not be satisfied. |
| 22:00.45 | wlievens | does this mean I'm missing an essential entry in my sources.list? |
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| 22:00.58 | wlievens | # apt-get build-dep libapache2-svn |
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| 22:03.30 | Knifa | god damn now it refuses to reboot |
| 22:03.52 | bolt | Knifa: O.o |
| 22:04.11 | Knifa | and the entire filesystem appears to have suddenly turned read only |
| 22:04.22 | bolt | wlievens: maybe. does it say anything about what can't be installed? |
| 22:04.29 | amphi | Knifa: the disk isn't just full? ;) |
| 22:04.38 | bolt | Knifa: sounds like backup-time, if you haven't already |
| 22:04.39 | Knifa | i'm sure |
| 22:04.40 | Knifa | EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_free_blocks_sb: bit already cleared for block 323767 |
| 22:04.40 | Knifa | Remounting filesystem read-only |
| 22:04.42 | Knifa | this doesn't sound so good. |
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| 22:09.50 | ccfreak2k | Are there any known problems with either nForce storage hardware (such as SATA) or nforce drivers in Debian? |
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| 22:10.58 | philluminati | Hi guys, new debian user here. I have installed the nvidia module fine and now I want compiz-fusion but the first ten links on google all point to a repo on download.tuxfamily.org and the files aren't there anymore. Where can I install it from please? |
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| 22:12.32 | philluminati | does everybody use this "git clone" method? |
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| 22:12.55 | jhutchins_wk | philluminati: http://www.compiz-fusion.org/ |
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| 22:14.24 | philluminati | how do I tell if I have lenny, etch or sid? |
| 22:14.26 | Od2 | Hi, I was just wondering if there is a Debian policy about package upgrades in testing breaking the configuration of the package? I couldn't see anything obvious in the policy manual. |
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| 22:15.37 | Tapout | cat /etc/debian_version -> shows 4 for etch |
| 22:15.45 | Tapout | assume 5 for lenny? |
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| 22:16.18 | trinux | Lenny will be 5.0 yes |
| 22:16.20 | omni | anyone know a good replacement for gnome's panel-run? |
| 22:16.34 | philluminati | jhutchins_wk, thank you, and sorry having to tell me something I should have checked |
| 22:16.38 | omni | I removed gnome-panel and now I've lost access to the ALT+F2 run dialog |
| 22:16.52 | Kobaz_ | so i'm having a problem with having symlinked files in web dir with apache: http://pastebin.com/m1c16b3a1 |
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| 22:17.07 | philluminati | I have 4.0 |
| 22:17.16 | philluminati | I thought 5.0 comes out in September? |
| 22:17.21 | trinux | omni: why would you remove the gnome-panel? |
| 22:17.29 | Kobaz_ | apache can read the file, the file contains real data... but all clients get eof when downloading it.... it's a symlink to a cifs mount |
| 22:17.30 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 22:17.30 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 22:17.50 | ccfreak2k | <Knifa> dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script (for disappearance) script: Exec format error |
| 22:17.53 | ccfreak2k | What does this typically mean? |
| 22:18.01 | trinux | so the second half of 2008 can be December :P |
| 22:18.04 | omni | trinux: just switched to AWN |
| 22:18.06 | jhutchins_wk | philluminati: Hey, if we didn't get an occasional bye, we'd all be in trouble. |
| 22:18.14 | jhutchins_wk | philluminati: I'm just happy I knew that one. |
| 22:18.23 | philluminati | :-) |
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| 22:19.27 | jhutchins_wk | I need to transfer a fairly large amount of files from a windows server to a linux box. Do I want to mount the shares from the windows server and then use something like rsync, or do I want to use a more direct tool like smbclient? |
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| 22:20.44 | petemc | jhutchins_wk: i use cifs to mount windows shares and run dirvish (which uses rsync) on them, works fine for me |
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| 22:21.51 | Tapout | is ext3 aware of a raid+10 setup, or is the kernel aware? for example, if I create a new partition .. 100GB, does ext3 need to be aware of the raid, or does the kernel manage it by itself? I want to shrink /, and create a /var/lib/mysql partition to mount noatime |
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| 22:22.26 | ccfreak2k | Tapout, the filesystem doesn't care. |
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| 22:22.49 | Tapout | so does the BIOS handle the raid stuff, or does the kernel? |
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| 22:23.15 | Tapout | so when reading/writing, the kernel passes off the data to the raid card, or the bios captures the read/writes and passes them to the raid card? |
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| 22:23.40 | XLV | Tapout, if you use md raid ( linux software raid ), kernel does, if you use md raid ( bios raid ) you set up the raid in bios, kernel sees it ( with appropriate driver ) as one device |
| 22:23.42 | abrotman | Tapout: depends on your evice |
| 22:23.58 | Tapout | it's an adaptec 3405 card |
| 22:24.10 | abrotman | i'd guess that to be real raid |
| 22:24.15 | abrotman | not sure if it does 10/1+0 |
| 22:24.17 | Tapout | cntl+a when booting, set it up and stuff. So I think the bios does everything eh? |
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| 22:24.21 | Tapout | it does 10 |
| 22:24.40 | petemc | Tapout: the bios doe svery basic setup then passes control to the os |
| 22:24.43 | Tapout | i was into it (after isp set up raid+10 ... it does say 10 ) |
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| 22:25.22 | Tapout | so like, me resizing the partitions and stuff, will have 0 effect on the raid+10? good stuff, gonna create a partition for mysql for noatime |
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| 22:25.47 | Tapout | do you guys think it's safe to resize ext3? Probably should just reinstall with the partitions i estimate |
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| 22:25.56 | petemc | ext3 can be resized |
| 22:26.07 | blameless | i don't suppose anyone has managed to get an openssh-hpn build going on debian |
| 22:26.12 | unop | Tapout, a reinstall would be much more time consuming |
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| 22:26.34 | Tapout | blameless, i tried it last night after source compiling/patching... doubled my speed, I couldn't obtain the 40MB/sec some have said |
| 22:27.30 | Tapout | but instead of only getting 10Mb/sec per session on a scp, I was able to get almost 25Mb/sec |
| 22:27.36 | blameless | Tapout: how'd you manage to get the patch to take? I get a bunch of rejects against the default debian source |
| 22:27.55 | abrotman | Tapout: network problems ? |
| 22:28.03 | Tapout | i did what it says on the page, go to openssh.org, grab source (gotta grab right one), grabbed patch, did what it said, worked flawlessly |
| 22:28.08 | abrotman | Tapout: if either system has a slow CPU .. oculd be greatly impacted |
| 22:28.23 | blameless | ah, ok. i'm trying to build a debian package |
| 22:28.42 | Tapout | abrotman, private network was capping out... supposedly related to the window sizing with openssh, in that it won't expand .. and ends up capping at 10Mb/sec over distances... side by said, it'll blaze tho |
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| 22:28.52 | Tapout | side by side |
| 22:28.57 | blameless | the debian source has a patch that conflicts with the hpn patch. i could manually reconcile the rejects but i was hoping to not have to go there heh |
| 22:29.29 | abrotman | blameless: you could wait for someone to package it .. or ask the ssh dev team for help ? |
| 22:29.38 | Tapout | abrotman, softlayer (my isp).. has 3 data centers.. they have a private network that would only give me .. 10Mb/sec from Dallas->Washington DC. |
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| 22:30.08 | Tapout | I complained about it, thinking it was related to the network, however.. using ncftpput, I get 40MB/sec ... each scp would cap out at 10Mb/sec .. that hpn patch fixes it tho |
| 22:30.16 | abrotman | Tapout: lazy bums! |
| 22:30.21 | blameless | abrotman: from what i've seen in the mailing lists, colin hasn't had time |
| 22:30.26 | Od2 | Has anyone been hit by the change in the virtual hosting config in the latest apache to enter testing? |
| 22:30.27 | Tapout | who? |
| 22:30.29 | abrotman | blameless: really that important ? |
| 22:30.38 | blameless | abrotman: no, not really. more of a like to have |
| 22:30.39 | abrotman | colin watson i assume he means |
| 22:30.59 | blameless | yes, that was whom i was reading |
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| 22:33.21 | Tr0gdor | anyone familiar with fail2an |
| 22:33.23 | Tr0gdor | fail2ban |
| 22:34.17 | jhutchins_wk | petemc: Someone suggested sharing the target via samba and doing the copy on the windows box. |
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| 22:35.00 | Maulkin | Tr0gdor: lots of people are. |
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| 22:39.38 | Tr0gdor | Maulkin, I can get fail2ban to work when using SSH on port 22 |
| 22:39.47 | Tr0gdor | but when I change ssh port to 2222 fail2ban stops working |
| 22:39.56 | Tr0gdor | how can I get fail2ban to know my ssh port is changeD? |
| 22:40.27 | abrotman | configure it by port instead of service name ? |
| 22:40.49 | themill | Tr0gdor: in what way is it not working? |
| 22:41.03 | petemc | faiil2ban probably wouldnt have too much to do if ssh is on an alternate port |
| 22:42.03 | Tr0gdor | themill, fail2ban doesnt ban me |
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| 22:42.09 | Tr0gdor | when I use the wrong password |
| 22:42.26 | Tr0gdor | but it bans me fine when I run ssh on port 22 |
| 22:42.39 | Maulkin | Well, what does your config say? |
| 22:42.39 | themill | Tr0gdor: is it adding the rules just for the wrong port? |
| 22:42.54 | Tr0gdor | it never blocks my ip |
| 22:43.01 | dondelelcaro | fail2ban only bans specific ports; it doesn't block connections to the whole machine. |
| 22:43.14 | Tr0gdor | my ip was never added to iptables |
| 22:43.15 | dondelelcaro | (well, by default; obviously you can configure it to) |
| 22:43.23 | Tr0gdor | so it isnt seeing me connect |
| 22:43.28 | Tr0gdor | and use the wrong passwords |
| 22:43.31 | Tr0gdor | apparently |
| 22:43.35 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: it almost certainly was; check /var/log/daemon.log; it'll tell you what it's doing. |
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| 22:43.56 | sha1 | Hey guys. Is there a way to autoinstall all of the "suggested" packages along with the requested packages? |
| 22:44.06 | dondelelcaro | s/daemon/fail2ban/ |
| 22:44.12 | sha1 | not every time, but maybe once or something |
| 22:44.13 | dondelelcaro | sha1: yes |
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| 22:44.34 | sha1 | dondelelcaro: I looked through the apt-get manpage. Can't find anything. do you know what that would be? |
| 22:44.45 | dondelelcaro | sha1: -o Apt::Install-Suggests=1 |
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| 22:44.52 | sha1 | ah okay. |
| 22:44.53 | sha1 | thanks |
| 22:45.06 | Tr0gdor | nothing in the logs |
| 22:45.08 | Tr0gdor | hmm wtf |
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| 22:45.17 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: uh... it'd be in /var/log/fail2ban.log |
| 22:45.23 | Tr0gdor | I chjecked that |
| 22:45.24 | Tr0gdor | nothing |
| 22:46.28 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: do you at least see fail2ban starting? |
| 22:46.51 | sha1 | holy crap that's a lot of packages lol |
| 22:46.57 | sha1 | that's what I asked for, though. thakns |
| 22:47.01 | sha1 | thanks even |
| 22:47.12 | dondelelcaro | sha1: yes, it's not something that you usually want; generally the best thing is to use the aptitude curses interface and select them |
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| 22:47.43 | dondelelcaro | sha1: another thing that's useful is to see the list of packages which are suggested which you have not installed |
| 22:47.54 | Tr0gdor | dondelelcaro fail2ban works |
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| 22:48.03 | Tr0gdor | but when I change SSH to port 2222 it doesnt work |
| 22:48.09 | Tr0gdor | like it doesnt see me connecting |
| 22:48.13 | Tr0gdor | and failing |
| 22:48.24 | Tr0gdor | but it sees me failing on port 22 |
| 22:48.25 | Tr0gdor | so weird |
| 22:48.28 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: it will see you connecting and failing, but it won't put in the right kinds of bans. |
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| 22:48.41 | Tr0gdor | I dont think its even seeing me connect |
| 22:48.48 | Tr0gdor | cuz it never added anything to iptables |
| 22:48.59 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: you need to change the regexes and configuration appropriately for that setup. |
| 22:49.09 | Tr0gdor | not even adding the wrong thing to iptables |
| 22:49.12 | Tr0gdor | its adding nothing |
| 22:49.13 | Tr0gdor | heh |
| 22:49.37 | Tr0gdor | so how do I tell it that I want port 2222 instead of port 22 |
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| 22:49.50 | Tr0gdor | cuz the config just says port = ssh |
| 22:49.58 | Tr0gdor | I tried changing that to port = 2222 |
| 22:50.01 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: you check /etc/fail2ban/filter.d/sshd.conf and /etc/fail2ban/action.d/sshd.conf and modify them appropriately. |
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| 22:51.12 | dondelelcaro | (actually, you don't need to change the action; that's done for you) |
| 22:51.32 | Tr0gdor | hmm basically i need to find where on my box it thinks SSH is port 22 |
| 22:51.36 | Tr0gdor | and change that to 2222 |
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| 22:52.12 | dondelelcaro | and no, you don't want to do that, ever. |
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| 22:52.25 | Tr0gdor | ok |
| 22:53.04 | Tr0gdor | then tell me what to change |
| 22:53.04 | Tr0gdor | im in action.d/sshd.conf |
| 22:53.04 | Tr0gdor | nothing about port 22 |
| 22:53.04 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: it's filter.d/sshd.conf, and you fix the regex appropriately. |
| 22:53.18 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: then you edit fail2ban.conf and tell it to ban on port 2222 instead of ssh. |
| 22:53.58 | Tr0gdor | that file is like 10 lines |
| 22:54.03 | Tr0gdor | and has nothing about ports in it |
| 22:54.24 | dondelelcaro | sorry, jail.conf |
| 22:54.33 | dondelelcaro | it's changed about three times since I've been using fail2ban |
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| 22:56.49 | Tr0gdor | heh i changed port in Jail.conf to all |
| 22:56.53 | Tr0gdor | still didnt work |
| 22:56.55 | Tr0gdor | so weird |
| 22:56.57 | Tr0gdor | oh wells |
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| 22:57.00 | Tr0gdor | ill just go back to port 22 |
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| 23:01.10 | dondelelcaro | uh... obviously all isn't going to work. |
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| 23:03.04 | sputnick | hi there. |
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| 23:03.43 | Tr0gdor | dondelelcaro why wont all work |
| 23:03.50 | Tr0gdor | it should listen on all ports and ban from all ports |
| 23:04.03 | sputnick | why "# invoke-rc.d cupsys start" doesn't produce any output & don't run cupsys, & /etc/init.d way is working @ home ? ( mix sid/ubuntu ) |
| 23:04.07 | Tr0gdor | but I guess that makes no sense at all /sarcasm |
| 23:04.43 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: it doesn't listen on any ports. All it does is check logs, match logs which indicate failing logins, and ban the host that failed. |
| 23:04.50 | themill | sputnick: if you're mixing sid and ubuntu then this is not the place to ask. |
| 23:04.52 | Knifa | i am going to punch apt in the neck god damn |
| 23:05.06 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: the port tells it *which* ports to block, but it has nothing to do with matching the lines in auth.log or whatever |
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| 23:05.32 | sputnick | themill: /j #sidbuntu ? |
| 23:05.34 | blameless | alright, i was able to get the hpn patch to land on the debian patched version of openssh :) |
| 23:05.42 | themill | sputnick: yeah, that will do |
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| 23:05.54 | sputnick | themill: that's a joke dude |
| 23:06.01 | Tr0gdor | dondelelcaro thats what I thought |
| 23:06.08 | Tr0gdor | why does my port change mess it up then? |
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| 23:06.11 | themill | sputnick: I'm serious... what you're doing is not on-topic for this channel. |
| 23:06.17 | Tr0gdor | it should only be looking at the auth.log |
| 23:06.28 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: 1) it's no longer banning the right port. 2) the regex in auth.log is no longer matching. |
| 23:06.31 | abrotman | sputnick: we have no idea what you've done to your system, but you're likely on your own .. we won't support you and i doubt #ubuntu will .. maybe try ##linux |
| 23:06.42 | Tr0gdor | dondelelcaro its not banning ANY port |
| 23:06.46 | Tr0gdor | not even banning port 22 |
| 23:06.52 | Tr0gdor | so something is messed up |
| 23:06.57 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: see #2. |
| 23:07.05 | sputnick | themill: if the ubuntu channel will say I have to ask #debian, I'll lol |
| 23:07.09 | Tr0gdor | so my port change messed up auth.log? |
| 23:07.25 | themill | sputnick: why on earth would you make such a frankendistro? |
| 23:07.29 | dondelelcaro | Tr0gdor: it means that the regex is no longer matching, for whatever reason. |
| 23:07.31 | abrotman | i don't think anyone told you to ask #ubuntu |
| 23:07.34 | sputnick | :D |
| 23:07.49 | sputnick | debian packages & ubuntu are compliant |
| 23:07.53 | jelly-home | sputnick: your mix will likely not be supported anywhere, right |
| 23:08.08 | sputnick | that's the same "base" |
| 23:08.24 | sputnick | ubuntu is nothing else than a fork of debian |
| 23:08.24 | abrotman | sputnick: Your "distro" is not supported in #debian |
| 23:08.31 | themill | sputnick: if they were, you wouldn't have a problem though. |
| 23:08.43 | amphi | ghod, it's the spork thing again |
| 23:08.49 | jelly-home | sputnick: they're not. mixing and matching might lead to bad results and obscure errors |
| 23:08.53 | abrotman | shakes his fist at amphi |
| 23:08.58 | amphi | heh |
| 23:08.58 | abrotman | amphi: he named me in the email :) |
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| 23:09.07 | amphi | email? |
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| 23:09.23 | abrotman | amphi: let me kfind it |
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| 23:09.34 | abrotman | i'll use the kde list searcher ! |
| 23:09.39 | amphi | did he use the term of art? |
| 23:09.49 | sputnick | themill: my only small problem is the one with # invoke-rc.d cupsys start. that's not a BID DEAL |
| 23:10.08 | sputnick | s/BID/BIG |
| 23:10.42 | abrotman | amphi: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2008/07/msg01114.html |
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| 23:10.55 | abrotman | sputnick: your question is offtopic here |
| 23:11.02 | dondelelcaro | sputnick: that's great; it's still not on topic here. We dont't support things which are not Debian here. |
| 23:11.05 | sputnick | I'll strace it |
| 23:11.09 | themill | sputnick: I'll go for it being your mixing that's at the heart of it though. Debian doesn't use dependency-based init. $DEITY knows what invoke-rc.d you are using and what it's doing. |
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| 23:12.22 | Pavlz | hello |
| 23:12.58 | amphi | abrotman: heh, he wrote 'spork' |
| 23:13.07 | Pavlz | i found others distributors of pc laptop |
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| 23:13.27 | abrotman | amphi: yes .. didn't you see me throwing things at you the other day .. or whatever i was doing ? |
| 23:13.38 | Pavlz | where i could left a list of these ones ? |
| 23:13.43 | abrotman | amphi: he came to fn and waited for me to join the -ot channel and started in about it :) |
| 23:13.54 | DawnLight | can anyone answer a preseed question? http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2008/07/msg00931.html |
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| 23:14.13 | Pavlz | thanks again |
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| 23:19.39 | sputnick | yo rafailow |
| 23:19.39 | sputnick | :D |
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| 23:28.35 | jelly-home | DawnLight: have you tried #debian-boot (on irc.debian.org)? |
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| 23:29.20 | DawnLight | jelly-home: will try tomorrow if they don't answer the list message |
| 23:29.24 | DawnLight | good night |
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| 23:39.55 | OmiKrOn | hi |
| 23:40.03 | acutedeath | hola |
| 23:40.07 | OmiKrOn | how do I see what version of a package I have installed? |
| 23:40.28 | rahul | man dpkg... |
| 23:40.37 | rahul | read the basic intro docs on debian.org... |
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| 23:48.48 | themill | dpkg: fix x-Dieu |
| 23:48.49 | dpkg | takes x-Dieu to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 23:49.41 | abrotman | or at least get him a better client |
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| 23:51.11 | beardy | Excess Flood isn't anything to do with his client, afaik. |
| 23:51.36 | abrotman | it can be IIRC .. not really that important though |
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| 23:54.26 | trinux | somebody said the excess flood can also happen when you join too many channels at once |
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| 23:54.47 | beardy | Sounds about right, and what is happening. |
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| 23:55.10 | raininja | hello how can i let uname know about my kernel change? its still reports the old kernel |
| 23:55.12 | jelly-home | mon dieu! |
| 23:55.16 | raininja | Linux palantir 2.6.24.7-elive-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Jul 9 22:20:11 CEST 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 23:55.24 | raininja | its really 26 |
| 23:55.29 | \amethyst | raininja: then you have to reboot into the new kernel |
| 23:55.33 | wols | raininja: actually load the new kernel |
| 23:55.40 | abrotman | raininja: ask #elive |
| 23:55.42 | wols | !elive |
| 23:55.43 | dpkg | elive is a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive (FN, irc.freenode.net). |
| 23:55.49 | raininja | lol i have rebooted many times |
| 23:55.58 | raininja | its debian alright |
| 23:56.01 | wols | raininja: ask #elive. we aren't supporting your distro |
| 23:56.05 | raininja | with e17 wm |
| 23:56.10 | raininja | lals |
| 23:56.15 | wols | it's not debian. please don't argu |
| 23:56.15 | raininja | wols: so helpful |
| 23:56.16 | wols | e |
| 23:56.22 | raininja | ok |
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| 23:56.31 | raininja | lol |
| 23:57.05 | wols | the bot told you were you get help |
| 23:57.10 | abrotman | where |
| 23:57.18 | raininja | ha |
| 23:57.19 | wols | #elive |
| 23:57.27 | raininja | ok i get i thanks |
| 23:57.40 | raininja | (for nothing) |
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| 23:58.59 | jelly-home | !based on debian |
| 23:59.00 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 23:59.20 | Wyzard | raininja: You don't "tell uname" about a kernel change... uname gets the info from the running kernel |
| 23:59.29 | abrotman | or he could ask #elive |
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| 23:59.40 | Wyzard | raininja: If uname says 2.6.24, that's what you're running |
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| 23:59.52 | abrotman | Wyzard: please let him go to #elive |
| 23:59.58 | raininja | Wyzard: the reason i am doubtful are the symlinks |