| 00:00.01 | wols | or better yet: help him there |
| 00:00.15 | raininja | vmlinuz |
| 00:00.17 | Wyzard | uname's behavior is not distro-specific |
| 00:00.25 | wols | Wyzard: please help him in #elive. thanky ou |
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| 00:00.33 | abrotman | raininja: go to #elive .. you're going to get banned here |
| 00:00.48 | raininja | well stop talking to me thne |
| 00:00.51 | raininja | jeez |
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| 00:00.55 | abrotman | stop answering |
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| 00:01.28 | Wyzard | a threat of a ban? |
| 00:01.38 | Wyzard | Apparently #debian is becoming even more hostile about such things |
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| 00:05.56 | jelly-home | abrotman: can you ban x-Dieu instead? |
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| 00:06.31 | abrotman | maybe he's done! |
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| 00:07.59 | beardy | Apparently not. |
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| 00:13.52 | Hydroxide | x-Dieu: can you please stop repeatedly leaving then rejoining the channel? |
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| 00:17.07 | karsten | Kontact 1.2.9, Debian lenny/sid: mail messages (kmail) no longer show content of messages, just the various body part attachments in the preview pane or message window. Suggestions? |
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| 00:22.33 | LemensTS | I installed backports, how do i search for a package? I tried apt-cache search etch-backports packagename |
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| 00:22.55 | abrotman | just apt-cache search .. apt-cache policy will show different versions |
| 00:22.57 | dserban | aptitude search hardened |
| 00:23.00 | dserban | gah! |
| 00:23.10 | dserban | Sorry :( |
| 00:24.21 | LemensTS | apt-cache policy "asterisk" brings up version 1.2, i would think they would have 1.4? |
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| 00:25.03 | abrotman | LemensTS: AFAICT .. no etch backport for asterisk |
| 00:25.50 | stew | it was a relatively straightforward backport the last time i tried |
| 00:26.02 | stew | and i need to do it again |
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| 00:26.06 | LemensTS | yay i get to compile from source or use 1.2......thanks |
| 00:26.24 | stew | LemensTS: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 00:26.34 | LemensTS | msg dpkg ssb |
| 00:27.06 | stew | last time i tried there was one build-dep that also needed to be backported, but otherwise, no big deal |
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| 00:29.40 | PiousMinion | I love how if I go to remove 'totem-mozilla', aptitude tries to remove gnome and everything it depends. heh |
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| 00:30.03 | s3a | does debian etch r3 dvd1 have gparted in the disc to allow me to resize a partition during installation process? |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | PiousMinion: /msg dpkg metapackage |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | which is only part of the issue |
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| 00:30.57 | PiousMinion | Yeah, I understand the meta package. There's another part of the issue? |
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| 00:32.06 | Wyzard | PiousMinion: Is totem-mozilla the only thing on your system that depends on GNOME stuff? |
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| 00:32.33 | Wyzard | PiousMinion: (not that it depends directly, but it recommends epiphany-browser if you don't have any other browser already, and Epiphany is a GNOME app) |
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| 00:33.00 | Wyzard | ...oh, and more directly, Totem is a GNOME app too |
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| 00:34.28 | PiousMinion | 'gnome' depends 'totem-mozilla', so removing 'totem-mozilla' causes gnome to be removed along with everything it requires to be auto-removed. |
| 00:34.55 | Wyzard | oh, I see |
| 00:35.00 | s3a | can i resize a partition during debian etch installation process? |
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| 00:35.27 | Wyzard | Well, the gnome metapackage's first dependency is gnome-desktop-environment, which is a smaller metapackage that you could use instead |
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| 00:36.02 | Wyzard | The gnome metapackage is the basic desktop plus a full suite of apps (including Totem) |
| 00:36.21 | Wyzard | and it seems a bit bloated |
| 00:36.23 | PiousMinion | for now I just renamed /etc/alternatives/totem-default.dir to totem-default.dir.bak to prevent the mozilla plugin from being found. Now I can use mozilla-mplayer which works much better. |
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| 00:37.22 | PiousMinion | Another solution would be to create an alternative 'gnome' meta package, but that is beyond me at the moment. |
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| 00:37.55 | Wyzard | or just don't use the bloated gnome metapacakge |
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| 01:06.20 | eyeris | My machine freezes just after loading the X server. Is there a kernel boot parameter to prevent a specific module from loading? |
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| 01:07.53 | Corwin | eyeris: get rid of xdm/kdm so you can at least boot. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist is where you blacklist kernel modules |
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| 01:08.08 | eyeris | uhm |
| 01:08.11 | eyeris | I can't. |
| 01:08.18 | mohadib | boot to single user mode |
| 01:08.23 | eyeris | The entire system freezes when X loadsa |
| 01:08.24 | mohadib | remove xdm/kdm |
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| 01:08.28 | Corwin | boot off of knoppix and chroot to your system |
| 01:08.34 | eyeris | single user prevents X from loading? |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | boot to single user |
| 01:08.37 | mohadib | or single user mode |
| 01:08.40 | abrotman | init=/bin/sh |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | !nodm |
| 01:08.52 | dpkg | Debian does not use a specific runlevel for graphical display managers by default. Just remove the dm package(s) with "apt-get remove xdm kdm wdm login.app gdm pdm". "update-rc.d -f xdm remove" and friends will also disable the dm until a package update is installed and the runlevel symlinks are restored.. NEWSFLASH! echo "false" >/etc/X11/default-display-manager, or a temporary solution is to hit ctl-alt-fN to get to a console |
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| 01:09.43 | eyeris | Thanks |
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| 01:09.47 | epsilon | bluez++ |
| 01:09.50 | curtmack | ... never mind, stupid question |
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| 01:10.15 | epsilon | got my btuetooth-headphne working... still need to figure out how to control the volume |
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| 01:14.34 | sputnick | see ya |
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| 01:15.28 | mohadib | does ffmpeg have any gui frontends? |
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| 01:17.25 | Corwin | mohadib: avidemux??? |
| 01:17.46 | mohadib | cool :) |
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| 01:31.45 | beardy | FFS. |
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| 01:32.40 | abrotman | more chatter, less join/part! |
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| 01:38.03 | abrotman | close a tab .. browser crashes .. scroll down .. browser caches .. yay |
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| 01:38.12 | amphi | iw3? |
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| 01:38.50 | abrotman | epiphany |
| 01:39.17 | abrotman | tries -webkit .. can't be any worse |
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| 01:40.29 | abrotman | argh |
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| 01:42.12 | abrotman | that's not any better .. it's doesn't work right |
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| 01:42.57 | abrotman | oh .. it won't let me .. Domains, protocols and ports must match. |
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| 01:44.04 | pickcoder | abrotman: having fun? |
| 01:44.41 | abrotman | oh .. it's okay .. it's just crashy :) |
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| 01:45.10 | pickcoder | so is x-Dieu |
| 01:46.14 | abrotman | no? |
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| 02:00.56 | pickcoder | x-Dieu: what's up with your client? |
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| 02:01.54 | abrotman | pickcoder: been doing it all night |
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| 02:02.33 | pickcoder | very annoying |
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| 02:03.23 | pickcoder | too many large channels I presume |
| 02:03.43 | pickcoder | or just too many channels |
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| 02:04.44 | dondelelcaro | x-Dieu: I'm going to ban you temporarily; /msg an op when your problem is fixed. |
| 02:04.50 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you leave again) |
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| 02:05.33 | pickcoder | I had a flood error when I was on too many channels with over several hundred users |
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| 02:05.52 | pickcoder | I guess the flood level is set kinda low on the server |
| 02:06.14 | dondelelcaro | there's a server limit to the number of channels you can be in; I'd be really surprised if you'd hit it, unless your client really was bad. |
| 02:07.00 | pickcoder | there is a threshold for the out buffer that he's hitting |
| 02:07.07 | pickcoder | I've hit it too from too many instant auto-joins |
| 02:07.22 | pickcoder | userlists, topics, etc |
| 02:07.23 | dondelelcaro | right; that's a case where your client is being stupid |
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| 02:07.46 | Nyle | how many channels pickcoder ? |
| 02:08.00 | pickcoder | 5 or 6 |
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| 02:08.06 | Nyle | how many users? |
| 02:08.21 | pickcoder | probably 1500 or so |
| 02:08.25 | pickcoder | I don't remember exactly |
| 02:08.31 | Nyle | hmm |
| 02:08.50 | pickcoder | a gigantic topic doesn't help either |
| 02:08.57 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:08.58 | pickcoder | if the flood trigger is low |
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| 02:12.13 | hedos | Hi. I'm trying to run a program, but it needs "libstdc++.so.5". What package do I need? |
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| 02:13.09 | Tapout | hrm, no ncftpput in aptitude? |
| 02:13.31 | kervan | Hi. My update manager allways updates the sama package. e2fsprogs and initscripts. How can I fix this problem? Thanks. |
| 02:13.32 | Tapout | there is a way to search with dpkg .. |
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| 02:14.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | 50 MB for an acrobat reader for linux from the adobe website! |
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| 02:15.18 | pickcoder | hedos: libstdc++5 |
| 02:15.33 | hedos | Great, thanks pickcoder. |
| 02:15.50 | pickcoder | Tapout: there's ncftp |
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| 02:16.05 | pickcoder | and ncftp2 |
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| 02:17.21 | newsense | are there web,ftp,dns,.... and other servers included wth debian live ? |
| 02:18.04 | newsense | nm see theres a channel specifically for live |
| 02:18.07 | Tapout | pickcoder, i installed ncftp2 , no ncftpput installed. purged it, ncftp, boom.. ncftpput is there :) |
| 02:18.12 | Tapout | loves debian |
| 02:18.16 | newsense | me too |
| 02:18.24 | newsense | im gonna put tit on my ps3 |
| 02:18.39 | newsense | cell+debian :p |
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| 02:19.17 | stew | newsense: ask #debian-live on irc.debian.org |
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| 02:20.43 | newsense | stew got it |
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| 02:21.41 | newsense | stew so debian-live is not officially supported by debian ? |
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| 02:55.45 | enouf | !qotd |
| 02:55.45 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". at 217 (2008-06-30) |
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| 02:55.54 | enouf | gah |
| 02:55.56 | enouf | !qotd0 |
| 02:55.57 | dpkg | my sanity check is a race condition. - Jim Dennis |
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| 03:10.48 | snogglethorpe | ah upgrading to the version of xorg in experimental made my HD 3200 radeon card work properly (in unaccelerated 2d, anyway :-)! |
| 03:11.10 | snogglethorpe | Will that version of X make it into lenny? |
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| 03:11.49 | snogglethorpe | [well, properly speaking, not a "card", but integrated video on the amd 780G chipset...] |
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| 03:22.07 | snogglethorpe | hmm, also I was kind of amazed that "flashplugin-nonfree" worked flawlessly on this amd64 system |
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| 03:22.40 | snogglethorpe | and morever, after installing flashplugin-nonfree, the static version of skype (which is compiled for the i386) also worked perfectly! |
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| 03:22.59 | snogglethorpe | I guess it uses the 32-bit libraries which flashplugin-nonfree caused to be installed |
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| 03:24.12 | pickcoder | there are 32-bit compat libs on amd64 |
| 03:24.24 | snogglethorpe | pickcoder: yeah |
| 03:24.33 | snogglethorpe | pickcoder: still, I was amazed :-) |
| 03:24.42 | snogglethorpe | I figured somethign would surely go wrong... |
| 03:25.15 | snogglethorpe | (given all the bitching you see about trying to run 32-bit proprietary apps on amd64 systems) |
| 03:25.57 | snogglethorpe | gotta see if I can get some free app to replace skype though |
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| 03:27.30 | lero | hi. anyone using entrace from debian.alphagemini.org? |
| 03:27.42 | lero | E17 stuff |
| 03:29.03 | snogglethorpe | overall I was very impressed with the lenny beta2 installation experience... almost all the probs aIl had were "my" problems more or less (which maybe could use a faq entry or something, but still, not debian's fault) |
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| 03:29.38 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: most of those should be covered in the installation guide; if they're not, please file bugs against it, ideally with patches. |
| 03:30.09 | snogglethorpe | dondelelcaro: yeah I gotta search through and make sure I didn't just miss stuff |
| 03:30.35 | Rusty1 | http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/tom-keating/voip/grandcentral-supports-gizmo-project.asp << snogglethorpe dunno |
| 03:30.58 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: ekiga et all works pretty well |
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| 03:31.44 | snogglethorpe | dondelelcaro: what about "callout" support (company which supports calling to normal phones)? |
| 03:32.06 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: it supports that too; you just need a service provider who does that |
| 03:32.22 | dondelelcaro | (usually that also allows you to have call-in support too) |
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| 03:32.56 | snogglethorpe | dondelelcaro: are there reputable service providers? [that's one thing in skype's favor -- everybody more or less trusts them] |
| 03:33.26 | snogglethorpe | heh, if I could use ekiga together with skype's callout backend, that'd be perfect :-) |
| 03:33.46 | snogglethorpe | dunno how much skype's business model actually depends on client lockin... |
| 03:34.21 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: almost all of it, actually; |
| 03:34.29 | snogglethorpe | hmm :-( |
| 03:34.40 | dondelelcaro | snogglethorpe: ekiga recommends a few. I personally haven't used any of them, though. |
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| 03:36.10 | wols_ | doesn't ekiga use standard SIP? so every normal SIP provider works? |
| 03:37.20 | snogglethorpe | wols_: that's my understanding; I just don't knwo much about "normal SIP providers"... |
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| 03:38.24 | snogglethorpe | hmm this "grandcentral.com" place is an utterly awful website... lots and lots of vague hypey language with nary an actual explanation in site... |
| 03:38.33 | snogglethorpe | er, "in sight" |
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| 03:45.46 | dondelelcaro | wols_: yeah; they just mention a few of them |
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| 03:46.20 | coffee1 | HAR HAR HAR!!!!!!!! |
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| 03:47.02 | Tapout | so weird, one of my machines can't use id_rsa.pub's key in authorized_keys .. always asks for password. All other machines work. Anyone seen this before? |
| 03:47.09 | Tapout | key in authorized_keys matches 100% |
| 03:47.20 | coffee1 | $something = true |
| 03:47.23 | coffee1 | so drunk |
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| 03:47.40 | liable | coffee1: best to keep quiet then. |
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| 03:47.50 | coffee1 | i know, but its difficult when you're drunk.. you lack the self control |
| 03:48.04 | coffee1 | ITS SIMPUL. KILL TEH BATMAN! |
| 03:48.08 | asha | tapout, does that machine have PubkeyAuthentication enabled in sshd_config? |
| 03:48.20 | HappyHater_ | I need some help configuring my display. dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only asks me about my keyboard |
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| 03:48.38 | liable | coffee1: really, you'll get silenced in here if you keep it up. |
| 03:48.39 | asha | happyhater_, Xorg -configure seems to be best at making a generic config |
| 03:48.47 | Tapout | asha, i'm sure it does.. sec |
| 03:48.56 | HappyHater_ | thanks I'll give it a shot |
| 03:49.00 | coffee1 | ok i'll contain myself |
| 03:49.07 | coffee1 | how long does a silencio last |
| 03:49.13 | Tapout | yep |
| 03:49.25 | Tapout | and that machine can connect to another machine without issue |
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| 03:49.37 | dondelelcaro | Tapout: have you upgraded ssh on that machine? |
| 03:49.59 | dondelelcaro | (and regenerated the id_rsa.pub recently?) |
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| 03:50.20 | coffee1 | batman was a great movie |
| 03:50.34 | asha | would id_rsa.pub keys be in the key blacklist security update? |
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| 03:50.44 | dondelelcaro | asha: some of them, yes. |
| 03:50.48 | asha | ahah |
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| 03:51.05 | Tapout | hrm, wonder if that's what it is |
| 03:51.07 | Tapout | i'll regen |
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| 03:54.35 | Tapout | god dammit, still asking for password :( |
| 03:54.47 | Tapout | even regenerating a new key and syncing it remotely |
| 03:54.58 | dondelelcaro | Tapout: so use ssh -vv; and then log at the logs on the other computer |
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| 04:02.08 | stew | newsense: its not currently an official sub-project, no, but its done (almost?) entirely by DDs |
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| 04:26.23 | peterrooney | wd; will work with just IP |
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| 04:28.22 | CQ | morning... I would like a script to run before sleep or hibernate to unmount truecrypt volumes... do I need to stick something in an init state or do I need to stick it in /etc/acpi? |
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| 04:33.16 | edneymatias | pleasa someone here...i need help...i did a big mistake and i need to repair it |
| 04:33.53 | mmnicolas | CQ: i'd say somewhere in /etc/acpi would be a goog place |
| 04:34.06 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: ? |
| 04:34.15 | edneymatias | i want to install postgresql-8.2 back on my etch |
| 04:34.22 | CQ | and then just link it into slep.sh and hibernate.sh? |
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| 04:34.38 | CQ | s/sle/slee |
| 04:34.51 | edneymatias | but i can't find the packages on repositories nor in backports |
| 04:35.31 | mmnicolas | CQ: i dont have these scripts on hands, but i guesse there are also scripts to place a mount command when it comes back from hibernate or sleep |
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| 04:36.27 | tuvwx | is gcc usable without glibc? |
| 04:36.36 | edneymatias | mmnicolas: do you know where can i find these packages |
| 04:37.14 | snogglethorpe | tuvwx: sure |
| 04:37.51 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: lenny maybe ? |
| 04:38.18 | CQ | looks like something in /etc/acpt/suspend.d then ... looks easy to do. |
| 04:38.31 | CQ | why not install a newer postgres? |
| 04:38.38 | tnks | I just saw the news about the switch from sysklogd to rsyslog. What's the big advantage of rsyslog? |
| 04:38.53 | edneymatias | CQ: cause i have my data on files from version 8.2 |
| 04:39.17 | mmnicolas | tnks: it writes to a mysql db |
| 04:39.48 | edneymatias | i didn't dump them first...i just stop postgresql...removed just to find the the packages arent on repo anymore |
| 04:39.51 | tnks | mmnicolas: is that an option, or is it the default? |
| 04:39.59 | snogglethorpe | mmnicolas: joke? |
| 04:40.02 | mmnicolas | tnks: don't know |
| 04:40.15 | edneymatias | i installed 8.3 but don't know how to recover data without a dump |
| 04:40.19 | mmnicolas | that what the package info told me |
| 04:40.20 | tuvwx | i compiled gcc from source on a machine with existing gcc, and then copied the binary to a machine with absolutely no dev files installed. no headers. no dev libraries. no gcc. now compiling a simple hello world program (without #include <stdio.h>) complains about missing files usually provided by glibc. how do i get around this situation? |
| 04:40.26 | edneymatias | soh i itend to install 8.2 back again |
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| 04:40.53 | edneymatias | mmnicolas: to use packages from lenny just add the lines on sources.list |
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| 04:41.38 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: but this is risky, you might want to wait until 8.2 reaches etch or upgrade to lenny |
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| 04:41.46 | noocx | hi |
| 04:41.59 | edneymatias | mmnicolas: thats the problem i cant wait... |
| 04:42.00 | edneymatias | :( |
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| 04:42.18 | mmnicolas | maybe the package from lenny will do the trick |
| 04:42.19 | edneymatias | i need the server up and running...as soon as possible... :(... |
| 04:42.49 | edneymatias | mmnicolas: i added the line but...something went wrong...apt complains about parser erros on package list |
| 04:43.04 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: you probably made a syntax error |
| 04:43.13 | noocx | i see 0 available space in df output, but its 75/72GB, have you got any idea why? |
| 04:43.25 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: a slash or a space |
| 04:43.40 | edneymatias | i will paste it here... |
| 04:43.58 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: just one line heh ? |
| 04:43.58 | noocx | its my home partition which is on /dev/hdb2 |
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| 04:44.25 | mmnicolas | noocx: ext fs typically reserve 5% of total space for root |
| 04:44.30 | edneymatias | mmnicolas: yeap...but i think i know what i did |
| 04:44.38 | edneymatias | mmnicolas: i can't mix them up |
| 04:44.46 | noocx | mmnicolas: ok but there is 3 GB free space |
| 04:44.52 | edneymatias | lenny and etch...that's wright |
| 04:44.55 | edneymatias | right |
| 04:45.01 | noocx | hm thats 5% :) |
| 04:45.07 | mmnicolas | noocx: you want to modify this settings especially if you have a separate home partition |
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| 04:45.46 | edneymatias | mmnicolas: i put like this deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 04:45.56 | mmnicolas | noocx: otherwise it keeps the system from a total jam due to the no space left |
| 04:46.02 | edneymatias | but keep the etch line |
| 04:46.05 | edneymatias | is it ok |
| 04:46.12 | noocx | mmnicolas: yeah, that was the 5%(3GB omg) |
| 04:46.17 | noocx | where can i modify it? |
| 04:46.37 | noocx | in fstab? |
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| 04:47.35 | mmnicolas | noocx: gimme a minute to remember |
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| 04:47.55 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: it should |
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| 04:48.16 | Vif18 | leave debian |
| 04:48.37 | mohadib | no u |
| 04:49.33 | edneymatias | mmnicolas: i left only with lenny repository but there's no such postgresql-8.2 package... |
| 04:49.44 | edneymatias | is there anywhere else i can look |
| 04:49.50 | mmnicolas | noocx: i guess it is preferable to specify on the format command |
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| 04:50.02 | mmnicolas | noocx: but there is a way to do it after |
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| 04:50.09 | edneymatias | why does it jump from 8.1 to 8.3 |
| 04:50.19 | edneymatias | why there's no 8.2 package |
| 04:50.33 | edneymatias | :( |
| 04:50.35 | mmnicolas | noocx: that's it: tune2fs |
| 04:50.42 | noocx | mmnicolas: ok thanks |
| 04:50.53 | noocx | thanks for the help |
| 04:50.54 | mmnicolas | tune2fs -m 0 /dev/sdXX |
| 04:50.56 | noocx | see you |
| 04:51.00 | mmnicolas | cya |
| 04:51.03 | noocx | ok i'll look for it |
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| 04:51.22 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: probably because they were bad |
| 04:51.28 | mmnicolas | edneymatias: usually |
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| 04:53.16 | edneymatias | and do you know how can i get 8.3 running with my old data... |
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| 05:06.42 | Igneous | Wow, this is wierd... Can someone take a look at this? |
| 05:06.45 | Igneous | http://www.stgaming.org/imagehost/images/1216788991.png |
| 05:07.20 | Igneous | My locales are set correctly, japanese is being displayed correctly right above something, and then some other japanese is corrupt, right below it |
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| 05:10.40 | JyZyXEL | cool arrows |
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| 05:11.09 | JyZyXEL | Igneous they are using different encoding |
| 05:11.14 | Igneous | yeah, i figured |
| 05:11.23 | Igneous | I think the lower one is using Shift_JIS |
| 05:11.37 | JyZyXEL | and the ones at the top UTF-8? |
| 05:11.41 | snogglethorpe | Igneous: almost always something which is screwed up is using shift-jis ... :-) |
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| 05:11.54 | snogglethorpe | Igneous: it's the favorite encoding of those with no clue |
| 05:12.05 | Igneous | JyZyXEL, yeah |
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| 05:12.25 | JyZyXEL | i don't know if there is information about with what encoding the filename is? |
| 05:13.49 | JyZyXEL | the player would have to find the information about the filename encoding to display correct fonts |
| 05:14.53 | Igneous | is there a way I can check? |
| 05:15.06 | snogglethorpe | JyZyXEL: an app can do a reasonable job of guessing in many cases, especially for multibyte encodings |
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| 05:16.46 | JyZyXEL | also the format could possibly support somekind of names that have encoding information with them |
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| 05:19.15 | Igneous | what's the standard for id3 tag encoding? |
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| 05:20.19 | Igneous | I think it's trying to guess the tags from the name, because when I set them to a specifc encoding, artist and song title are completely blank |
| 05:20.56 | Igneous | and the names *are* in japanese |
| 05:21.39 | discobeef | i've got a question about linux... |
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| 05:21.55 | arooni-mobile__ | ? |
| 05:22.03 | Igneous | grins |
| 05:22.14 | discobeef | who would win in a fight between a taco and a grilled cheese sandwich |
| 05:22.21 | ixnay | the taco |
| 05:22.39 | Igneous | linus torvalds |
| 05:22.46 | ixnay | As long as it has a taco shell, and not a wrap |
| 05:23.08 | discobeef | then it would be a burrito would it not? |
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| 05:23.28 | ixnay | A burrito is prepared differently |
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| 05:23.40 | ixnay | A burrito is more like a spring roll |
| 05:23.42 | Igneous | begins telling linus torvalds facts |
| 05:23.50 | Igneous | Linus can enrich himself simply by chowning your bank account. He does not do this because there is no challenge in it. |
| 05:24.11 | ixnay | Boring. :P |
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| 05:24.23 | Igneous | If you could read Linus Torvalds mind, you'd find that his stream of conciousness is entirely in binary. |
| 05:24.32 | Gnurdux | cmon |
| 05:24.32 | ixnay | and poorly written? |
| 05:24.39 | Gnurdux | torvalds isnt half as 1337 as stallman |
| 05:24.52 | Gnurdux | hes also not half as insane though :) |
| 05:24.59 | Igneous | I'll give you that |
| 05:25.05 | Igneous | stallman is one insane motherfucker |
| 05:25.17 | ixnay | they're neither 1/1000 of a man Chuck Norris is, and Chuck Norris is not 1/100 of a man Lars Monsen is |
| 05:25.30 | lnostdal | whot .. someone said my name? |
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| 05:26.16 | lnostdal | Monsen is cool .. he's also good at chess .. lol |
| 05:26.17 | Igneous | Speaking of stallman |
| 05:26.19 | Igneous | http://youtube.com/watch?v=Pube5Aynsls |
| 05:27.43 | ixnay | o.O |
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| 05:27.59 | Igneous | I lol'd so hard at stallman jumping around with his laptop |
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| 05:30.38 | callahad | Random question - A while back, my Sid boxes started reporting all sorts of timestamps during boot in the form of [ 0.000000] Linux version foo... What change caused this? It looks like sysvinit hasn't seen an actual version bump in over almost three years. |
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| 05:31.43 | Igneous | yeah, I think there was a sysvinit update. Because mine started doing that as well |
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| 05:33.08 | callahad | Igneous: I don't see anything that jumps out in http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/sysvinit/sysvinit_2.86.ds1-60/changelog :/ |
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| 05:34.40 | callahad | Could it be a change in the kernel logger instead? |
| 05:35.15 | Igneous | look at the sysvinit-utils changelog |
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| 05:35.24 | Igneous | i bet they added a service supervisor or something |
| 05:35.29 | Igneous | like runit |
| 05:37.29 | callahad | Igneous: Got it. http://wiki.debian.org/Rsyslog |
| 05:38.19 | Igneous | callahad, sweeet, I've been wondering about that |
| 05:39.35 | callahad | Heh, never underestimate the power of a virtual machine with a barebones install and aptitude search ~i |
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| 05:40.38 | Igneous | wow, i'm reading an old guide |
| 05:40.44 | Igneous | this is a blast from the past |
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| 05:43.43 | broken_ladder | so who would i have to talk to about this? http://www.debian.org/vote/ |
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| 05:43.54 | broken_ladder | score voting (aka range voting) is better and simpler than condorcet. |
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| 05:51.24 | callahad | broken_ladder: Manoj Srivastava, The Debian Project Secretary, is responsible for conducting votes. I imagine he would be able to point you to the right mailing list. |
| 05:51.52 | dondelelcaro | broken_ladder: uh, no, it's not, and we keep getting bothered by range voting people about it. |
| 05:52.36 | Igneous | I've never actually been on a mailing list |
| 05:52.44 | Igneous | that'd probably be a good learning experience |
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| 05:53.13 | dondelelcaro | broken_ladder: if you want to know why we picked our modified concordecet, then you should review the archives from debian-vote from around 2003 iirc. |
| 05:53.32 | broken_ladder | i'm not really concerned with why. |
| 05:53.38 | broken_ladder | i'm just concerned with improving it. |
| 05:53.45 | dondelelcaro | well, range voting isn't an improvement |
| 05:53.50 | broken_ladder | score voting is superior in every way. |
| 05:53.54 | broken_ladder | it's a large improvement actually. |
| 05:54.12 | broken_ladder | rangevoting.org/UniqBest.html |
| 05:54.20 | broken_ladder | what bayesian regret figures are you referencing? |
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| 05:54.47 | dondelelcaro | broken_ladder: the whole concept of bayesian regret as measured by the people at rangevoting.org is fundamentally flawed. |
| 05:54.54 | broken_ladder | no it's not. |
| 05:55.03 | dondelelcaro | and in any event, it's not on topic here *at all*. |
| 05:55.04 | broken_ladder | it's the correct way to judge a voting method. |
| 05:55.26 | broken_ladder | well it's pretty central to the effectiveness of your governance. |
| 05:55.52 | dondelelcaro | I'm quite familiar with what it's central to, and how well it's worked in the past. |
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| 05:56.33 | dondelelcaro | and I'm also familiar with the fact that we seem to get someone quoting from rangevoting.org every 12 months or so without actually understanding the underlying issues |
| 05:56.39 | broken_ladder | you can't tell how well it's worked, because you can't read the voters' minds. |
| 05:56.51 | broken_ladder | which is why you have to do bayesian regret calculations. http://rangevoting.org/WhyNoHumans.html |
| 05:57.00 | dondelelcaro | ah, and now we've come to the fundamental flaw of bayesian regret. |
| 05:57.03 | broken_ladder | i understand them well. |
| 05:57.26 | dondelelcaro | anyway, if you want to harass people, read the mailing list archives first, then consider posting on -vote; EOT. |
| 05:57.27 | broken_ladder | present what you think is a flaw. propose an alternative social utility function. i'll bet you can't. |
| 05:57.36 | broken_ladder | harass? |
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| 05:58.38 | broken_ladder | i'm curious about this alleged flaw actually. |
| 05:58.52 | dondelelcaro | broken_ladder: see http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-policy@lists.debian.org/msg20383.html et al. |
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| 05:59.38 | dondelelcaro | broken_ladder: "Of course... we have to admit... computerized "voters" and "candidates" are not the real thing. They are only as good as the (oversimplified) models we program." <-- this is the fundamental flaw of Bayesian Regret. |
| 05:59.47 | broken_ladder | "This comparison assumes that voters would behave the same regardless of |
| 05:59.47 | broken_ladder | which system is in use." |
| 05:59.57 | broken_ladder | wrong! |
| 06:00.04 | broken_ladder | http://rangevoting.org/StratHonMix.html |
| 06:00.23 | dondelelcaro | and we're still off topic here; search google and the mailing lists. |
| 06:00.39 | broken_ladder | well, you could say it's oversimplified, but any model is simpler than reality. duh. |
| 06:01.22 | broken_ladder | the point is that you can make all sorts of random tweaks to thinks like ignorance factors, varying levels of strategy, etc. range voting surpasses condorcet in EVERY model. that's convincing. |
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| 06:06.45 | HappyHater_ | having a problem extracting .rar archives, is there something I can use besides 'unrar-free'? |
| 06:07.09 | liable | theres unrar non-free |
| 06:07.19 | callahad | Does 7zip have native support for rar, or does it fork to unrar? |
| 06:08.13 | callahad | Looks like p7zip-rar is another non-free option |
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| 06:14.52 | bolt | How can I figure out what's stopping this machie from rebooting when I do shutdown -r now? And is there some way to force a reboot? |
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| 06:19.15 | bolt | I get a message saying the system is going down, but that's all that happens |
| 06:19.22 | bolt | Something probably hangs. How can I figure out what? |
| 06:20.58 | dondelelcaro | bolt: look at the ps axfu; output |
| 06:21.26 | dondelelcaro | bolt: that'll usually tell you what init is doing, and what (if anything) has stopped it from shutting down |
| 06:21.57 | bolt | dondelelcaro: I just get a list of a whole bunch of stuff that's running. I think it's vmware that's preventing it from shutting down, but I'm not certain |
| 06:22.03 | Igneous | How would I go about getting a debian cloak? is that even possible? |
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| 06:23.22 | bolt | Igneous: like, a garment? |
| 06:23.39 | Igneous | bolt, cute, but no, like a hostname cloak, for irc |
| 06:23.45 | Igneous | freenode, specificly |
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| 06:24.26 | dondelelcaro | Igneous: AFAIK, we only give cloaks to developers |
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| 06:24.40 | Igneous | oh, I thought there was a member cloak as well |
| 06:24.54 | cahoot | donate a sum to freenode? |
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| 06:25.12 | dondelelcaro | Igneous: not to my knowledge; I'm not in charge of the cloaks for Debian, though. |
| 06:25.33 | callahad | Speaking of DD's - what ever happened with the DAM shakeup around the DPL elections? |
| 06:25.52 | dondelelcaro | what about it? |
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| 06:26.05 | dondelelcaro | it happened; that's pretty much it |
| 06:26.08 | bolt | argh! I killed every vmware process and the thing still wont shutdown |
| 06:26.11 | bolt | this reminds me of windows |
| 06:26.26 | dondelelcaro | well, if you're running it in vmware, all bets are off |
| 06:26.38 | bolt | dondelelcaro: i'm not. it's a vmware server |
| 06:26.46 | bolt | dondelelcaro: i just killed all the vm's on it |
| 06:26.48 | callahad | I remember a surge of NM approvals, has the throughput kept up, or is it still rather periodic? |
| 06:27.12 | dondelelcaro | callahad: you can always check nm.debian.org if you want to know what the current status is |
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| 06:28.12 | bolt | dondelelcaro: I tried setting init 6 manually. Still nothing happens. It's pretty much a clean install of sarge, with vmware server added to it, if that's any help. |
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| 06:28.27 | callahad | dondelelcaro: Ah, right. That actually looks quite a bit healthier than last year :) Thanks for reminding me that nm stats are available online. |
| 06:28.47 | dondelelcaro | bolt: sarge? |
| 06:29.07 | bolt | dondelelcaro: er. etch. |
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| 06:29.36 | dondelelcaro | bolt: first things first, look at the ps axfu; output. If you don't know what you're looking for, then paste the output in a paste site. |
| 06:29.43 | infotron_ | !lart qwe^Horst for bouncing dsl circuits |
| 06:29.43 | dpkg | brandishes Excalibur! "With this sword, I vanquish thee, qwe^Horst!" and lops off qwe^Horst's head for bouncing dsl circuits |
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| 06:30.02 | dondelelcaro | bolt: init should have started switching runlevels, and it should have started to call the various init scripts. |
| 06:30.09 | dondelelcaro | bolt: if that hasn't happened, reload init. |
| 06:31.59 | bolt | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.com/m59100279 |
| 06:32.06 | bolt | dondelelcaro: how can I reload init? |
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| 06:32.57 | dondelelcaro | bolt: root 2821 0.0 0.0 1624 616 ? Ds Jul21 0:02 /sbin/syslogd <-- this is your underlying problem, assuming it's always in D. |
| 06:33.26 | bolt | dondelelcaro: so I kill that? |
| 06:33.41 | dondelelcaro | bolt: if it's still in D the next time you run ps axfu; it can't be killed. |
| 06:33.55 | dondelelcaro | bolt: but in any event, telinit 6; will switch init to runlevel 6 if that's possible. |
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| 06:34.03 | dondelelcaro | bolt: init is still running in runlevel 2. |
| 06:34.22 | dondelelcaro | if you need to reload init, telinit q; man telinit; |
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| 06:34.44 | dondelelcaro | (or telinit u, depending) |
| 06:35.48 | bolt | telinit q doesn't kill init |
| 06:36.08 | dondelelcaro | of course not |
| 06:36.16 | dondelelcaro | it just tells it to reload inittab |
| 06:36.28 | dondelelcaro | killing init is *bad* |
| 06:37.06 | bolt | dondelelcaro: I just want the damn thing to reboot, though. tried doing telinit q. and u. no change :/ |
| 06:37.21 | newsense | how can i tell what process is accessing a file ? |
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| 06:37.36 | liable | newsense: lsof |
| 06:37.41 | bolt | root 2821 0.0 0.0 1624 616 ? Ss Jul21 0:02 /sbin/syslogd |
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| 06:37.45 | bolt | this says Ss now btw |
| 06:38.19 | newsense | liable: thanks:) |
| 06:38.26 | liable | np |
| 06:39.36 | vy | Hi! Does `lspci |grep "PCI express"' => `00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 945G/GZ/P/PL Express PCI Express Root Port (rev 02)' means that I have a PCIe interface on my board that I can plug a gigabit ethernet without a problem? |
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| 06:40.29 | wols_ | vy: next time with such questions: ##hardware. for your question: yes |
| 06:40.48 | vy | wols_: Thanks! (Sorry for the noise.) |
| 06:40.56 | bolt | dondelelcaro: the current ps axfu output: http://pastebin.com/m690a4112 |
| 06:42.10 | Lagbolt | hmm |
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| 06:43.11 | newsense | chrootkit is something you should run from time to time, no daemon ? |
| 06:43.38 | freebird | you guys, I'm using exim as smtp, which one do you guys suggest for pop ?? |
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| 06:44.04 | bolt | gah. I have to run. I'll just reset the thing with the good old reset button. no time for this :( |
| 06:44.37 | bolt | dondelelcaro: thanks for trying to help :) I'll try harder if it happens again. |
| 06:45.16 | wols_ | freebird: pop3d courier dovecot, etc |
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| 06:46.13 | callahad | freebird: For small sites I've always used dovecot. It's fairly simple to set up. |
| 06:46.23 | freebird | wols_, tks man, I've heard that qpopper works over Mailbox, why is that |
| 06:46.39 | wols_ | why wouldn't it? |
| 06:47.04 | wols_ | freebird: use an imap server thop |
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| 06:47.40 | checkers | hi all, are there RSS feeds or similar notification methods for find out when a particular package has been updated? |
| 06:47.52 | checkers | well, a particular package and anything it depends on |
| 06:47.59 | freebird | wols_, sorry, didn't get your last message, isn't courier-imap alreay impa |
| 06:48.04 | freebird | wols_, imap |
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| 06:49.31 | wols_ | freebird: it is. and you shouldn't use pop3 only |
| 06:49.51 | freebird | ho ok, |
| 06:49.54 | liable | why not? |
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| 06:50.49 | dondelelcaro | checkers: see cron-apt or similar |
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| 06:56.50 | newsense | does |
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| 06:58.11 | newsense | is chkrootkit any good or is there something better? |
| 07:01.00 | Trewas | newsense: there's also rkhunter, I don't know which is better... but in general it is not possible to detect all rootkits from inside the running system |
| 07:01.42 | newsense | Trewas: thanks im gonna get that too |
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| 07:03.21 | newsense | thanx again its acually recomended to use with chkrootkit in the description nice |
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| 07:04.08 | endra | hello, my /var/mail/www-data has the following errors in it: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 07:04.18 | endra | How can I tell my dedicated machine to allow outgoing mail? |
| 07:04.36 | k-man | how can i tell what process is using a mounted filesystem? |
| 07:04.40 | k-man | so i can unmount it |
| 07:05.30 | cahoot | try lsof |
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| 07:11.29 | newsense | endra: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
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| 07:22.26 | endra | newsense: testing now |
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| 07:30.50 | endra | newsense: thanks, it seems to have fixed that but now I get this error: retry time not reached for any host |
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| 07:31.35 | newsense | what is the retry time set to ? |
| 07:31.41 | endra | I have no idea |
| 07:31.49 | newsense | sounds like a connection coul not be made |
| 07:32.03 | newsense | check exim4's config |
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| 07:33.34 | endra | what is the variable called? I see nothing about a timeout |
| 07:34.28 | newsense | endra: did ya choose the right settings when configuring it ? |
| 07:34.44 | newsense | shouldnt time out if ya did and the mailserver is up |
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| 07:34.52 | endra | yes, smarthost |
| 07:34.56 | newsense | can ya ping it ? |
| 07:35.21 | endra | the machine that is being sent out from.. no, it is blocked by iptables (port 25 out is allowed) |
| 07:35.27 | newsense | got any firewall ? |
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| 07:35.34 | endra | yes, I use iptables |
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| 07:35.57 | newsense | so you can ping it ? |
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| 07:36.08 | ``orv | hi |
| 07:36.13 | ``orv | how can I configure this mouse properly? |
| 07:36.14 | newsense | hi |
| 07:36.16 | ``orv | http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/410QW4Q0WAL._SS400_.jpg |
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| 07:36.37 | trinux | dpkg: morning |
| 07:36.37 | dpkg | somebody said morning was the early day after yesterday |
| 07:36.59 | newsense | its 2:35 her bout bedtime |
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| 07:37.38 | newsense | endra: so can you ping the server? |
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| 07:37.53 | endra | no, the server that is sending the mail cannot be pinged |
| 07:38.00 | newsense | start there |
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| 07:38.19 | newsense | i gotta go to bed |
| 07:38.30 | newsense | gotta be up in 3 and a half hrs |
| 07:38.48 | newsense | gn yall |
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| 07:39.03 | newsense | debian for life ! |
| 07:39.19 | trinux | :) |
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| 07:43.43 | endra | newsense: thank you for your help, good night |
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| 07:50.47 | buu | Hrm. Some how I've managed to apt-get install mplayer |
| 07:50.51 | buu | But it din't bother to come with mencoder |
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| 08:02.01 | trinux | buu: do you have debian-multimedia.org in your sources.list? |
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| 08:05.36 | freebird | you guys, I`ve exim4 + courier-imap and pop, how do I set an account so I can login, some myname@mydomain.com, I've dns set and running |
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| 08:06.59 | pete__ | haha |
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| 08:10.37 | freebird | I need to know how to set an email account, I've courier-imap, pop installed, exim, bind9, what should I do now, please |
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| 08:11.32 | enouf | freebird: i don't know whay set an email account means |
| 08:11.46 | enouf | freebird: but anyway, i don't do email |
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| 08:12.19 | enouf | freebird: if nobody replies, try ##linux and also #debian on irc.debian.org |
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| 08:12.50 | freebird | well, I`m hosting my dns, and files, I`ve a domain and a smtp and pop server up and running, but I don`t know how to set an email account |
| 08:13.00 | enouf | freebird: give some time for people to answer - not simultaneously i mean |
| 08:13.02 | freebird | some like myname@mydomain.com |
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| 08:13.45 | enouf | freebird: maybe dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config ? or you need a Client? |
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| 08:13.58 | freebird | yes, a client |
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| 08:14.38 | enouf | man update-exim{TAB}{TAB} as well . well, isn't 'mail' a CLI client ? you want to use mutt? i dunno |
| 08:14.40 | freebird | enouf, I want to use the server now, so I guess I need an account, even to log to uebimiau, |
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| 08:15.30 | pete__ | freebird: you should read some documentation. I know the answer but it's way too long to explain. |
| 08:15.30 | enouf | ~$ which mail |
| 08:15.33 | enouf | /usr/bin/mail |
| 08:15.42 | enouf | man 1 mail ? |
| 08:15.51 | pete__ | freebird: if you really need address@domain.com you should look postfix + mysql + virtual users from google |
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| 08:16.08 | pete__ | and throw that exim4 to corner. It sucks soo badly |
| 08:16.13 | freebird | pete__, I`m not using postfix, I`m using exim |
| 08:16.19 | pete__ | like i say |
| 08:16.35 | buu | trinux: Oddly, no. |
| 08:16.45 | freebird | pete__, I`ve hurd that courrier is the responsible for dealling with the login information, is that correct |
| 08:17.03 | pete__ | freebird: yes it is. |
| 08:17.06 | freebird | pete__, is there a dns step on that, I guess |
| 08:17.25 | pete__ | freebird: read doc. Im not going to explain this cos you have no idea what you are loking for, sry |
| 08:17.41 | enouf | !tell buu -about dmm |
| 08:18.00 | enouf | buu: if etch, "/msg dpkg dmme" |
| 08:18.17 | freebird | pete__, just give me a clue man, what should I look for |
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| 08:18.32 | pete__ | freebird: i just did, don't you read?!?! fuck im getting angry with |
| 08:18.43 | pete__ | freebird: virtual users + mysql |
| 08:18.45 | trinux | buu: please try www.debian-multimedia.org :) |
| 08:19.04 | freebird | pete__, yeah, you`re right, you did, I`ll google that |
| 08:19.09 | freebird | tks man |
| 08:19.14 | pete__ | np |
| 08:19.16 | Corwin | courrier is an imap deamon, it's only for retreiving mail that has been delivered to the server |
| 08:19.34 | freebird | Corwin, but I`ve courier-pop as well |
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| 08:19.46 | freebird | Corwin, do I still need a pop server ? |
| 08:19.48 | Corwin | ok, also pop is you really want that |
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| 08:20.06 | Corwin | my opinion is pop sucks |
| 08:20.15 | pete__ | freebird: you should really look -> postfix + mysql + virtual users + postfixadmin + courier. Easiest and stable setup. I have used that many years without any problems |
| 08:20.35 | pete__ | and throw that exim4 to lake. I can't understunt why debian ships default with that shit |
| 08:20.52 | freebird | Corwin, what would you use instead of pop than |
| 08:20.56 | Corwin | exim is just as good as postfix, it's like arguing between emacs and vi |
| 08:20.57 | petemc | pete__: whats wrong with exim4? |
| 08:20.58 | pete__ | imap |
| 08:21.04 | petemc | eh? |
| 08:21.06 | freebird | pete__, that`s the only reason I`m using it, just for learning purposes |
| 08:21.19 | freebird | pete__, I`ll save your hint, for later |
| 08:21.21 | pete__ | petemc: it's slow, it has shit config syntax, it's shit, it's has stupid config syntax.. |
| 08:21.33 | petemc | pete__: you obviously dont know what you're talking about |
| 08:21.45 | pete__ | petemc: defenatily not. Just running over 1000 domains |
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| 08:21.52 | Corwin | imap is a much better protocol/method than pop3 |
| 08:21.57 | freebird | petemc, why you that ??? |
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| 08:23.25 | petemc | freebird: because exim4 is a very good mta, comparable to postfix, but more configurable, pete__ obviously hasnt a clue |
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| 08:24.38 | WormFood | is fond of qmail |
| 08:25.00 | pete__ | petemc: yea, well i don't have motivation to discuss this. |
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| 08:25.20 | petemc | pete__: i suggest you dont make such stupid, unfounded statements in the future |
| 08:25.36 | pete__ | petemc: like i say, whatever. |
| 08:25.59 | petemc | touché |
| 08:26.09 | freebird | lol |
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| 08:26.31 | pete__ | petemc: you think that if this dude dosen't know howto setup mail-account that exim is best option for beginner you stupid shit? |
| 08:26.38 | Coke | Updated Iceweasel, can I turn off the titles in the URL drop down? It's annoying as hell. |
| 08:26.43 | usb256-distro | can anyone recommend me a currently developed kernel 2.6.X live distro that fits into a 256 MB usb. It must be *easy* to dump into the 256mb usb stick and feature X |
| 08:27.09 | petemc | pete__: no, probably not, but with the debconf front end you dont need to know anything about exim to set it up |
| 08:27.12 | pete__ | petemc: it could be very good MTA for over million port per day setup, no doubt. You still should first think little bit |
| 08:27.23 | Coke | usb256-distro: what is "feature x"? |
| 08:27.43 | usb256-distro | X Window system |
| 08:27.48 | SphaZ | i think he means x window :P he prolly also wants gnome/kde and openoffice :P |
| 08:28.00 | Coke | Impossible on 256M |
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| 08:28.22 | SphaZ | try feather linux |
| 08:28.25 | SphaZ | http://featherlinux.berlios.de/ |
| 08:28.26 | DJF5 | Damn small Linux can handle that on 256mb |
| 08:28.27 | usb256-distro | <SphaZ> I do not want gnome, kde, openoffice |
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| 08:28.49 | SphaZ | feather linux runs on sticks as small as 128 mb |
| 08:29.00 | Coke | usb256-distro: Debian is not really designed to be very small and compact. |
| 08:29.12 | Coke | SphaZ: rtbt runs from a 1.4M floppy |
| 08:29.20 | Coke | Of course, no X. |
| 08:29.25 | usb256-distro | <SphaZ> feather linux is a 2.4.X kernel distro. i am after a 2.6.X one! |
| 08:29.27 | SphaZ | featherlinux has X though |
| 08:29.38 | SphaZ | well you didnt mention that though |
| 08:29.45 | usb256-distro | can anyone recommend me a currently developed kernel 2.6.X live distro that fits into a 256 MB usb. It must be *easy* to dump into the 256mb usb stick and feature X |
| 08:29.58 | miksuh | buy eg. 1GB usb stick, those do not cost many euros |
| 08:30.00 | SphaZ | ah |
| 08:30.10 | SphaZ | miksuh, 14 euro/dollars :P |
| 08:30.13 | SphaZ | if that.. |
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| 08:30.27 | miksuh | 8eur here |
| 08:30.31 | DJF5 | uhuh |
| 08:30.32 | Coke | I bought a 2G stick for around 40 euro a year ago. |
| 08:30.40 | DJF5 | 2gb is 14eur |
| 08:30.49 | SphaZ | ah ok |
| 08:30.56 | DJF5 | it goes soooo fast |
| 08:30.57 | simNIX | here 4Gb 13 euro |
| 08:31.04 | DJF5 | where is here? |
| 08:31.08 | simNIX | Holland |
| 08:31.11 | DJF5 | :o |
| 08:31.13 | DJF5 | mediamarkt? |
| 08:31.16 | DJF5 | gaat dat zo snel? |
| 08:31.18 | Coke | Shove your cheap stuff up your... USB ports. |
| 08:31.18 | simNIX | Vobis |
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| 08:31.28 | Sling | holland ftw |
| 08:31.30 | SphaZ | just check tweakers.net pricewatch |
| 08:31.33 | miksuh | here is finland :) |
| 08:31.37 | DJF5 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:31.54 | usb256-distro | please, guys! do not give the Microsoft BS line that is "Upgrade your hardware" |
| 08:32.00 | DJF5 | prices are going so fast, im supprised tweakers.net pricewatch is keeping it up (or even any webshop) |
| 08:32.41 | SphaZ | usb stop bitching and shelf out 8 euro or go with the 2.4 kernel or even better...check distrowatch and try find it yourself. if its not there its likely it doesnt exist |
| 08:33.03 | DJF5 | well, if you would want to store an blueray disc on an 16mb usb stick... i would use the Microsoft BS line |
| 08:35.29 | usb256-distro | <DJF5> <SphaZ> qod! |
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| 08:44.09 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:44.30 | liable | where did that slacker bot go |
| 08:44.31 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 08:44.56 | liable | dpkg: wake up |
| 08:44.57 | dpkg | liable: I'm already awake! :) |
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| 08:50.31 | simi | hi i have kubuntu hardy and i made a bootchart capture http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/3983/hardy200807231yw8.png , any ideea how can i improve boot performance at the 50s it seams i have a period of silence? |
| 08:50.47 | Sling | simi : see #ubuntu |
| 08:50.54 | Sling | we only support debian here |
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| 08:51.25 | dutchfish | jelly, hi |
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| 08:51.52 | simi | i am searching for people that knows more about kernel in general and bootchart because i can't understend the chart |
| 08:51.55 | dutchfish | jelly, rtc-cmos is already fixed in latest udev: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=452181&archived=False&mbox=no |
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| 08:52.51 | dutchfish | simi, ask #kernel unless its debian specific |
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| 08:53.08 | simi | ok, thx |
| 08:53.12 | themill | simi: If you want help from #debian, you need to have debian installed. Try #ubuntu, #kubuntu or #linux. |
| 08:53.44 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 08:53.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, debianlove is the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
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| 08:54.50 | simi | themill: i have some fear to install debian(i do not have enought hard disk space to have them two) |
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| 08:56.10 | dutchfish | i have a "newb" question. Since is switched to kde recently after using gnome for more then 5 years, i noticed when opening a root-console gives me a jumping mouse-pointer for more then 1 minute and an extra screen in the taskbar along, why? how can i fix the anoying cpu-cycles eating thing? |
| 08:56.42 | themill | dutchfish: what do you mean by "root console"? |
| 08:56.56 | dutchfish | themill, terminal as root |
| 08:57.04 | themill | konsole? |
| 08:57.35 | dutchfish | themill, yes |
| 08:58.05 | dutchfish | themill, on lenny amd64 |
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| 08:58.46 | dutchfish | themill, in gnome it takes tops 10 seconds and only ones |
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| 08:58.56 | Misterjos | !lenny |
| 08:58.56 | dpkg | well, lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. <testing> |
| 08:59.22 | dutchfish | yeh yeh i know, but still, i wanna know |
| 08:59.29 | themill | dutchfish: does launching console normally do this too? or only if you use the "root terminal" menu option? |
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| 08:59.42 | dutchfish | themill, only root terminal |
| 08:59.48 | themill | dutchfish: (that !lenny wasn't for you. He'd only just joined) |
| 08:59.57 | dutchfish | ;) |
| 09:00.11 | Misterjos | heh, i wanted a release date :) |
| 09:00.17 | themill | dutchfish: I'm guessing it's gksu then as that is what that is used to provide root privs. |
| 09:00.25 | dutchfish | well ever heard its ready when its ready? |
| 09:00.35 | themill | !siyh |
| 09:00.36 | dpkg | siyh is probably Sooner If You Help. How? http://qa.debian.org http://wiki.debian.org/BSP |
| 09:01.27 | dutchfish | themill, grrr antoher time i get into batle with gksu, its also eating alot of cycles (still) in lenny 32 bits on my lappy (see powertop issues) |
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| 09:01.55 | themill | dutchfish: gksu is probably futzing around with gnome-keyring as well. Personally I never use the root terminal in that way. I just use su - within a konsole. |
| 09:02.18 | dutchfish | themill, thanks for the tip! that will do for now |
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| 09:02.58 | themill | dutchfish: I have Win+K mapped to konsole .... (kmenuedit makes it easy to assign such things) |
| 09:03.19 | dutchfish | themill, ever tried opening >5 konsoles as root ... watch your cpu sweat ... thats really anoying |
| 09:03.57 | dutchfish | themill, oh, how to do that? |
| 09:04.19 | dutchfish | themill, i am real kde newb |
| 09:04.28 | themill | dutchfish: I have 8 consoles open atm with 5 to 10 tabs in each one. No cpu sweating here. |
| 09:04.37 | dutchfish | themill, good |
| 09:04.59 | dutchfish | themill, its only the first minute or so, then its ok |
| 09:05.32 | dutchfish | themill, till i reopen them again |
| 09:05.37 | themill | just run "kmenuedit" from the minicli (Alt+F2) or from a konsole, or from KControlCentre or from K->Settings or from right clicking on the K menu.... there are a few ways... |
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| 09:06.21 | cr3rzemjest | hai |
| 09:06.21 | dutchfish | ok |
| 09:06.32 | themill | !timtowtdi |
| 09:06.32 | dpkg | methinks timtowtdi is There Is More Than One Way To Do It. Perl's philosophy, or courtesy of Larry Wall of perl. |
| 09:06.42 | cr3rzemjest | is there any tool to automatically delete -devel packages after i compiled program that needed it? |
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| 09:07.57 | dutchfish | cr3rzemjest, i am not sure but i believe wanna-build has some sort of that option |
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| 09:09.55 | themill | cr3rzemjest: nothing automatic. Use your bash history or build packages in a disposible chroot such as using pbuilder or cowdancer. |
| 09:10.04 | dutchfish | themill, you refering to execute as diferent user option? |
| 09:11.22 | themill | no, associating with win+k. But you could also use KDEs exec as root options too. |
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| 09:11.34 | simi | just want to tell you all: i am an ubuntu user and i know what debian is and i respect it and the debian developers, philosophy and comunity, why i am afraid to install debian is because i belive that testing is behind ubuntu and sid can be dangerous for me, i respect you all |
| 09:11.36 | themill | that's a good thought. |
| 09:11.42 | dutchfish | themill, ok, will do, thank you |
| 09:12.03 | themill | simi: how do you figured that testing is behind ubuntu? |
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| 09:12.58 | simi | themill: that is my impresion from what i was reading, i did said that i belived that, i am not sure |
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| 09:13.26 | themill | Don't believe everything you read. Check things out yourself at packages.debian.org |
| 09:13.38 | simi | some debian users write on forums that debian is faster, is that true? why could it be faster? |
| 09:13.40 | dutchfish | themill, thanks, working! |
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| 09:14.11 | themill | :) |
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| 09:14.25 | simi | themill: i have a small hard drive and i can't create other partition to install debian to make a comparison |
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| 09:14.41 | simi | and in virtual machine the system is slower |
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| 09:15.11 | dutchfish | simi, to my humble opinion, debian is more conservative (thats good) so you dont run into problems wich you refer too that often |
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| 09:16.15 | dutchfish | simi, apart from that if someone setup both systems really precise there is no diference in performance (when you use the same kernels, that is) |
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| 09:16.50 | dutchfish | simi, the real benefit for choosing debian is stability |
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| 09:18.22 | dutchfish | simi, if you need bleeding edge demanded by your hardware i rather still choose debian lenny or stable along with backports then using ubuntu |
| 09:18.22 | aronofsky | silly question but i dont really get the difference between standard stable mirror and security one, what updates will be published where and why ? |
| 09:18.42 | brianski | hmm, is subscriptionon lists.debian.org broken? |
| 09:18.45 | simi | dutchfish: in my opinion ubuntu is not very unstable, found some minor bugs and the problem i seen was that the fix (someone patched the bug) was not send by updates |
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| 09:19.17 | themill | dpkg: tell aronofsky about stable |
| 09:19.19 | brianski | i can't subscribe to debian-ia64 no matter how i try... seems there is some greylisting when i send an email to try, but when i use the web form (and there's no greylisting on my side), i get nothing in mail.log :( |
| 09:19.43 | Strog576 | i played around with my ip tables a bit, and i messed up some things |
| 09:19.44 | Strog576 | http://www.pastebin.org/56301 |
| 09:19.51 | dutchfish | simi, yes i saw that too, probably because those fixes where send upstream wich dont reach stable and takes some time to get into lenny |
| 09:20.01 | Strog576 | and now i cant gain access to the internet |
| 09:20.08 | Strog576 | have a look at the link |
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| 09:20.54 | themill | !typosmite Strog576 |
| 09:20.55 | dpkg | makes Strog576 raed alll fo "Wra and Paece" in rnadm ordr. |
| 09:21.00 | dutchfish | simi, while fixes for lenny takes normally tops 10 days unless the package is frozen |
| 09:21.25 | aronofsky | themill: still not really clear to me about what is published on each mirror and why |
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| 09:21.38 | Strog576 | typosmite? |
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| 09:21.47 | dutchfish | simi, if you need fast fixes you can 1: compile that package yourself 2: switch lenny/sid |
| 09:21.58 | themill | Strog576: I have no idea from that paste what you are trying to do and what you have done. But those commands are full of mistakes. |
| 09:22.17 | themill | aronofsky: security.debian.org only gets security fixes from the security team. |
| 09:22.19 | simi | dutchfish: if i want to install debian testing with kde, i will download cd1 with kde but can you point me to an how to for a custom install? i want a core installation, i do not want openoffice installed |
| 09:22.35 | dutchfish | !tell simi about netinstall |
| 09:22.37 | Strog576 | themill: i tried to make my internet connection via eth0 and configure a router via ath0 |
| 09:23.02 | aronofsky | themill: is it then backport in standard mirror or is it only available via security one ? |
| 09:23.20 | dutchfish | simi, you also want to delve into kvm so you can try debian under your curent ubuntu |
| 09:23.30 | dutchfish | simi, or qemu and the like |
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| 09:24.19 | themill | aronofsky: when the next "point release" is done (usually every three months or so) then things are transferred from security.debian.org to the main mirrors and new CDs are made that incorporate these fixes. |
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| 09:25.00 | dutchfish | simi, there is also a kde oriented install i believe |
| 09:25.21 | dutchfish | simi, i myself prefer to install a console system first and work up from there |
| 09:25.27 | simi | dutchfish: i tried both debian testing and sidux in vbox, the menu is diffrent form ubuntu and i am used to sudo |
| 09:25.41 | dutchfish | simi, thats an easy one |
| 09:26.00 | dutchfish | simi, just install sudoers and at yourself to /etc/sudoers |
| 09:26.07 | dutchfish | s/at/add |
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| 09:26.45 | aronofsky | themill: ok i see thx, last thing, any link where i can download Packages.gz from security mirror, i cant seem to find the right URL |
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| 09:26.58 | dutchfish | simi, debian does not enforce you to take a certain road that much |
| 09:27.15 | themill | aronofsky: you shouldn't need to do so... apt-get update does this for you automatically. |
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| 09:28.50 | aronofsky | themill: yeah I know but i need it for a particular matter |
| 09:28.54 | simi | dutchfish: i tried first debian but it do not worked on my laptop at that time and i installed ubuntu |
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| 09:29.13 | hramrach | Hello |
| 09:29.26 | dutchfish | simi, does not work, does not exists corrects to: i dont know how to fix it |
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| 09:29.34 | hramrach | how do I tell which packages take up the most space? |
| 09:29.48 | themill | aronofsky: apt-get update --print-uris |
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| 09:30.37 | dutchfish | simi, most of the time a certain peace of hardware does not work out of the box, but google and this channel are your friends |
| 09:30.38 | simi | dutchfish: for a windows user that i was then i had no ideea hw to fix a system from command line, i do not knew about apt or sudo then |
| 09:31.16 | nkuttler | hramrach: apt-cache show pkg shows the size, i guess you need some scripting here |
| 09:31.16 | dutchfish | simi, well, it can be overwelming at first glance, i admit |
| 09:31.49 | dutchfish | simi, a good starting point for me was http://wiki.debian.org |
| 09:31.56 | hramrach | nkuttler: but it shows the unistalled package size, not the generated data (if any) |
| 09:32.03 | simi | dutchfish: debian uses upstart ? i know that ubuntu has this project to improve boot time , |
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| 09:32.18 | wols_ | hramrach: not very useful for what you want tho: many of the big packages like Xorg or Openoffice is distributed among many smaller package |
| 09:32.30 | wols_ | simi: no. standard sysv only |
| 09:32.54 | nkuttler | hramrach: dpkg -L package gives you a file list... without some generated files maybe |
| 09:33.02 | dutchfish | simi, there are even more simularities but it depends on what you want, its up to you most of the time, not many things that cant be done in debian, none so far i have seen |
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| 09:33.24 | simi | dutchfish: anyway you must all admit that wubi will make more windows guys to try ubuntu so linux |
| 09:33.35 | wols_ | simi: wubi is awful |
| 09:33.45 | peterrooney | hramrach: debian-goodies has tool `dpigs' which shows largest packages |
| 09:33.47 | dutchfish | simi, yeh, i hate it |
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| 09:34.14 | hramrach | peterrooney: that looks good, I will try that |
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| 09:34.31 | simi | dutchfish: i tested it and it works |
| 09:34.46 | dutchfish | simi, welcome to the wonderfull world of open source |
| 09:34.54 | dutchfish | simi, its your choice ;) |
| 09:35.12 | dutchfish | simi, noone will enforce you up with something you dont like |
| 09:35.29 | meeero | du returns KB instead of bytes for me - is that normal? i think it is, but the manpage doesn't realy say it. i figured out that i've got to supply --block-size=1 so that du returns the size in bytes, is that accurate? as far as i understand "block-size" this means something different |
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| 09:36.49 | simi | dutchfish: do you used sid? can it breake your computer(to not boot and you can't fix) or how it is? |
| 09:37.11 | hramrach | meeero: block size is usually something like 1k - 4k and is the atomic piece of splace that can be allocated for use by a file |
| 09:37.21 | simi | dutchfish: what is the difrence on versions of the packages in testing vs sid? |
| 09:37.31 | dutchfish | simi, i barely use sid, mostly only under kvm or other vt, stable/tesing wil do. It always could satisfy my needs |
| 09:37.42 | simi | dutchfish: if i install debian i will be tempted to upgrade to sid |
| 09:37.45 | hramrach | so it does not make sense to return disk usage in bytes unless you use ReiserFS or somesuch |
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| 09:38.09 | dutchfish | simi, then you land in sid hell, if you have enough expertise you can survive ;) |
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| 09:38.56 | meeero | hramrach: yes, i know that, and i just compared a file-properties-window from KDE (it also shows bytes) and the output of du - it's not the same.....so how do i tell du that i want the result in bytes rather than kb? |
| 09:39.02 | dutchfish | simi, i did that some times myself.... lol....i am cured |
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| 09:39.32 | simi | dutchfish: a freind of mine uses sid and it tells me that he has problems rarely(not often) but this is hard to belive |
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| 09:39.36 | dutchfish | simi, look also at backports.org and etchandahalf |
| 09:40.03 | dutchfish | !tell simi about bpo |
| 09:40.10 | themill | meeero: man du. search for byte |
| 09:40.15 | hramrach | meeero: it's not the same because du shows the space that is needed to store the file (#of blocks * size of blocks) but the properties window probably shows the size |
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| 09:40.19 | meeero | the kde-window and du have the same values when i use "-b", as "bytes", but this returns the apparent size? what i exactly want is the usage on the disk - so by blocks, but all that in bytes returned |
| 09:40.27 | meeero | yes |
| 09:40.30 | dutchfish | simi, there ar emore ways to rome as you can see |
| 09:40.56 | simi | dutchfish: i am cured to test alpha versions of ubuntu too, minor bugs but the problem is that are no all packages are availeble |
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| 09:41.31 | disposable | i've downloaded a packaged version of kernel source (2.6.18). the unpacked source has a directory debian/patches. have those patches been already applied to the kernel or do i need to do that manually? |
| 09:41.37 | dutchfish | simi, there would only 1 good reasen to use sid or the like, that is when you are a developer, for endusers i see no good reason |
| 09:42.21 | WormFood | I use sid, because I like the name "sid" |
| 09:42.41 | nkuttler | i like to fix broken postinst script |
| 09:42.45 | WormFood | isn't that why everyone uses the branch of debian they do? |
| 09:42.50 | dutchfish | WormFood, we didnt ask you! ;) |
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| 09:43.06 | WormFood | no, seriously, I like sid because if there is nothing to fix, then the computer would be boring |
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| 09:43.12 | simi | dutchfish: i used unstable debian repos in my ubuntu, it worked ok, thx again to debian, very nice that are compatible |
| 09:43.26 | meeero | hm, i don't get it. my block-size is 2kb, when i use --block-size=2048 then du says that the file/directory uses only half of it's space |
| 09:43.52 | themill | meeero: du is reporting the number of blocks used |
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| 09:44.08 | steven | hi |
| 09:44.10 | dutchfish | nkuttler, luckely someone likes dirty jobs ;) |
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| 09:44.25 | steven | debian doesn't seem to execute .bashrc or .bash_profile on login via ssh ? |
| 09:44.32 | steven | how can i change this behaviour ? |
| 09:44.40 | themill | steven: it should by default |
| 09:44.42 | meeero | oh, i see - so i shall get the value by giving block-size=2048, then use that number and multiply it by 2048 to get the amount of bytes used? |
| 09:45.03 | themill | meeero: if your fs has a 2k block size, yes |
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| 09:45.50 | steven | themill: nope |
| 09:45.58 | steven | themill: apparently not in this case :) |
| 09:46.33 | simi | dutchfish: thx for all, i will restart now , i am still trying to improve my boot speed |
| 09:46.35 | themill | steven: how are you trying? what are you doing? |
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| 09:46.51 | steven | just logging in vi ssh |
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| 09:47.11 | steven | the scripts defo work as a source .bashrc runs fine and my env is set up :) |
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| 09:48.21 | iQwerty | How can one convert a running linux Debian based system into a live CD? |
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| 09:49.57 | dutchfish | iQwerty, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/ |
| 09:50.13 | hramrach | iQwerty: if you are not willing to shut down the system you will have a hard time diong that. Linux is quite inflexible ;-) |
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| 09:50.46 | iQwerty | dutchfish: Thanks! I'll take a look! |
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| 09:50.57 | iQwerty | hramrach: What do you mean with shut down? |
| 09:51.32 | nkuttler | steven: source it from ~/.bash_profile ? |
| 09:51.35 | dutchfish | iQwerty, in simple words you cant copy a running system |
| 09:51.44 | hramrach | iQwerty: if you realy wanted to burn your system to a DVD you would have to get rid of stuff like /proc and /dev |
| 09:51.54 | steven | nkuttler: .bash_profile isn't executed either :) |
| 09:51.59 | g00se | Remind me what dpkg has to say about 'doesn't work' please.. |
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| 09:52.03 | nkuttler | steven: are you sure it's bash? |
| 09:52.04 | steven | i think it's something to do with sshd options |
| 09:52.15 | steven | im just googling now :) |
| 09:52.46 | hramrach | well, .bash_profile is not executed when .bashrc is |
| 09:53.00 | iQwerty | dutchfish & hramrach: k, but on ubuntu I simpy had to run an app called "Remsatersys" and a few minutes later I had a live CD of the system |
| 09:53.07 | dutchfish | steven, did you check /etc/passwd already, DOES the user get an aproriate shell? |
| 09:53.10 | hramrach | that's a big annoyance of shell startup scripts |
| 09:53.28 | steven | dutchfish: yup |
| 09:53.33 | steven | tis bash |
| 09:53.44 | cydork | iQwerty: there is a similar tool called bootcd but i don't know how good it is. |
| 09:54.03 | themill | steven: what version of openssh? dpkg -l openssh-server | tail -1 |
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| 09:54.44 | hramrach | iQwerty: I said it's hard, not impossible. You can just install all the packages you have and then compare that systems and add the differences. And then install the live startup scripts and burn the thing |
| 09:54.59 | steven | themill: openssh-server 4.3p2-9etch2 |
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| 09:55.54 | themill | what are the permissions on the .bashrc .bash_profile and $HOME? |
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| 09:56.13 | steven | themill: they work fine with a local login |
| 09:56.19 | steven | themill: it must be something ssh specific |
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| 09:56.34 | hramrach | iQwerty: but if you had a hidden file in /dev that's invisible that would not get copied. But these scripts assume you did not modify your installation in unexpected ways |
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| 09:56.55 | Sebby | how do i disconect someone who is connected to my server using ssh? |
| 09:57.02 | pete_ | Sebby: kill -9 PID |
| 09:57.04 | pete_ | or slay user |
| 09:57.21 | themill | steven: that's not what I asked |
| 09:57.49 | Superbartt | yes it is... kill his ssh instance |
| 09:58.03 | steven | themill: rwxr-x--- |
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| 09:59.07 | dutchfish | shouldnt that be: -rw-r--r-- |
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| 09:59.18 | dutchfish | ? |
| 09:59.37 | themill | not sure... ssh is certainly picky about permissions on $HOME and ~/.ssh. |
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| 09:59.51 | dutchfish | on a default system its: -rw-r--r-- |
| 09:59.59 | dutchfish | ofr a normal user |
| 10:00.00 | themill | indeed. |
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| 10:01.37 | dutchfish | prolly ssh cant read because it has no read rights (it runs as another user) |
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| 10:02.36 | ries | Nitro tha CiMien |
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| 10:04.07 | simNIX | sshd wil only accept 600 (rw) on most files in ~/.ssh/ |
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| 10:05.06 | asha | the folder would need u+x to read files beneath it, too |
| 10:05.49 | dutchfish | .bashrc needs -rw-r--r-- |
| 10:06.24 | dutchfish | within .ssh its normally drwxr-xr-x |
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| 10:07.37 | epsilon | not the key if you generated one |
| 10:07.44 | dutchfish | incorrect umask's could have the same effect |
| 10:07.46 | themill | dutchfish: .ssh is normally 700. |
| 10:08.02 | dutchfish | themill, yes, but inside .ssh drwxr-xr-x |
| 10:08.10 | themill | dutchfish: d? |
| 10:08.19 | themill | dutchfish: x? |
| 10:08.24 | epsilon | put ~ 700 if unsure :P |
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| 10:09.06 | simNIX | on my boxes if in .ssh something used at ssh login is not 600 only I cant login |
| 10:09.08 | ma3x | how do i start iceweasel with debugging/logging for crashes/errors? |
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| 10:09.22 | wols_ | strace <binary> |
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| 10:10.35 | dutchfish | themill, oops correction. inside .ssh files get -rw-r--r-- |
| 10:10.53 | dutchfish | themill, per default |
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| 10:12.22 | themill | dutchfish: closer. But your private key(s) shouldn't be readable. 600 for that (or them). Some would also prefer known_hosts to be 600. |
| 10:12.45 | dutchfish | themill, righty, i was talking about per default |
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| 10:13.08 | MTristan_ | hello |
| 10:13.14 | themill | dutchfish: your private key doesn't work if it's not 600 |
| 10:13.22 | dutchfish | themill, yes |
| 10:13.32 | meeero | okay, i've got it. du also returns the given directory, even when --max-depth=0 is given, it says then 123456 /directory - i'd like to get the bytes only, is that possible? |
| 10:13.36 | MTristan_ | does anybody know how to install the murrine gtk theme on Etch? |
| 10:14.14 | Tapout | what's the command that tells what the file is again? 32b file or 64b file. it's like ... fileinfo <file> |
| 10:14.16 | Tapout | or something |
| 10:14.23 | themill | ma3x: also try iceweael -safe-mode |
| 10:14.47 | themill | Tapout: file |
| 10:14.58 | ma3x | themill: how does safe mode acts? disables plugins and stuff? |
| 10:15.04 | themill | yes |
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| 10:16.53 | ma3x | I dunno why it crashes? sometimes I just browse websites without flash like google and then all of a sudden the window disappears |
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| 10:18.41 | ca42 | Hey i have problem with ssh logins: It takes about 4 seconds login (publickey) any ideas ? |
| 10:18.56 | wols_ | reverse dns issues? |
| 10:19.43 | asha | you could add UseDNS no to sshd_config to alleviate dns causing slow logins |
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| 10:20.00 | ca42 | wols_: I thought so but according to the ssh faq delays should be longer if that was the case. Also nslookup is fast as light and i have the same delay when ssh'ing into localhost |
| 10:20.31 | ca42 | asha: I tried that (it seems that the problem most ppl have) but didn't help |
| 10:20.43 | asha | curious |
| 10:21.03 | asha | and the keys are already cached? as in youve logged in with that username before |
| 10:21.04 | themill | ma3x: that's just a feature of crashweasel... :( |
| 10:21.14 | ca42 | using -v i can see it hangs before the line "debug1: Authentication succeeded (publickey)." |
| 10:21.27 | ma3x | themill: is there a better browser supporting flash? |
| 10:21.32 | themill | ma3x: it's worse with certain extensions and it's worse if you have more windows/tabs open and it's worse the more flash and java you have. |
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| 10:21.59 | ca42 | asha: I would guess so - can i check that somehow ? However trying to login a couple of times does not speed things up.. |
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| 10:22.30 | asha | im not sure what to suggest then, sorry |
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| 10:24.50 | ca42 | asha: No problem ;) One question so : The problem here occurs within a pretty large setup (linux cluster, ldap authentification, etc.) - Any idea if 4 seconds is too long even in complex set ups like this ? |
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| 10:26.22 | rmg | hey all |
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| 10:26.49 | rmg | ive just done a clean install of debian on a workstation, oddly, i have no sound. i run alsaconf, but then lsmod|grep alsa returns nothing |
| 10:26.53 | smaug42_ | I am working on a procedure for generic Debian based Linux distros... specifically for using the CLI to install DEB packages. dpkg -i foo* will nicely install all packages in the directory with foo*. Assuming that at some future point I need to remove all packages with foo*, is it possible to use dpkg to remove all packages based on a wildcard? dpkg -r foo will only remove one package called foo... and using foo* does not work... |
| 10:27.25 | jelly | ca42: are you running nscd? |
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| 10:28.01 | rmg | erm, woops. should be grepping for snd |
| 10:28.04 | rmg | looks closer |
| 10:28.07 | ca42 | jelly: yep |
| 10:28.34 | rmg | ahh i got it i think. permissions problem |
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| 10:32.33 | unop | smaug42_, apt-get supports regular expressions |
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| 10:33.05 | smaug42_ | unop: is it safe to assume that apt-get is available on most/all Debian based distros? |
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| 10:34.10 | peppe | is it possible that tcpdump on localhost loses packets? |
| 10:36.00 | pete_ | peppe: everythins is possible |
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| 10:37.06 | peppe | pete_: yeah, but this makes debugging a possible race condition impossible ;P |
| 10:37.12 | unop | smaug42_, i would assume that. you could also grep the output of dpkg -l |
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| 10:40.01 | Nyle | Good morning |
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| 10:43.38 | disposable | i found a kernel patch that i needed /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/debian/features/all/vserver/vs2.0.2.2-rc9.patch. i applied it from the /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18 and then ran make-kpkg with "--added-patches vserver", but make-kpkg gave me Could not find patch for vserver. what am i doing wrong? there is a script in the vserver directory called gen-patch but i don't know how to use it as it ahs no comments |
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| 10:45.55 | nkuttler | disposable: is the patch in the correct directory? |
| 10:45.59 | smaug42_ | unop: I was tinkering with that too... I wish I could assume dpackage was available... this is all for remote admin, so i have to assume lowest common demoninator... which is CLI, and dpkg.... apt-get is likely there... I will try to see if i can get an apt-get comand sorted for removing multiple packages... :-P |
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| 10:46.26 | smaug42_ | thanks for the tips |
| 10:48.48 | disposable | nkuttler: well, i didn't move it and everything is in its default place (as it came in .deb package) |
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| 10:51.02 | r00txc | hi all |
| 10:51.23 | r00txc | .... |
| 10:51.45 | r00txc | .... |
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| 10:52.21 | disposable | nkuttler: when i'm in /usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.18 and run /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.18# /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/debian/features/all/vserver/gen-patch, i get "No such file or directory; can't find version!" if i apply the patch using patch -p1 </usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.18/debian/features/all/vserver/vs2.0.2.2-rc9.patch, the kernel gets patched but with many offsets. make menuconfig then shows the vserver options. |
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| 10:56.03 | dutchfish | ok, so i made some bug fixes on a packages. I want to send in a multifile patch is dpatch the preverred way to create them or diff -Nru and register them in 00list? |
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| 10:57.53 | dutchfish | whats is the best way to proceed as a non-maintainer? |
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| 10:59.19 | dutchfish | or is maybe debdiff the way to go? i have no clue whats the debian way. |
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| 11:03.32 | NET||abuse | I was just looking to resize a / partition and the lvm that contains it. |
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| 11:06.50 | NET||abuse | I have a server running etch 64bit xen kernel |
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| 11:11.09 | bantu | Hi guys. |
| 11:11.28 | cr3rzemjest | hi debian user |
| 11:11.48 | bantu | My ethX increases to ethX+1 after every restart, how can I reset it so it is eth0 again? Is this a bug? |
| 11:12.43 | dutchfish | NET||abuse, i didnt actually do it myself but ot resize the root partition within lvm you need to do it in rescuemode or the like see: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/LVM-HOWTO.html |
| 11:13.08 | _xYz__ | bantu: take a look at /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 11:14.01 | bantu | _xYz__: That does not exist, but I have /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 11:14.37 | bantu | That file show 5 ethernet devices, but I have no idea what I have to do. |
| 11:14.41 | bantu | *shows |
| 11:14.51 | dutchfish | NET||abuse, you need to grow or shrink it? |
| 11:15.15 | _xYz__ | bantu: ok, I'm using udev from unstable. but you can simply remove the file an reboot |
| 11:15.32 | Nyle | dutchfish, hi |
| 11:15.40 | bantu | _xYz__: Are you sure? |
| 11:15.46 | _xYz__ | bantu: the file you be generated the next time you're booting |
| 11:15.57 | _xYz__ | bantu: 'should be' |
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| 11:16.04 | bantu | _xYz__: Thank you, i'll give it a try. |
| 11:16.17 | dutchfish | !tell bantu about z25 |
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| 11:16.27 | dutchfish | Nyle, howdi :) |
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| 11:19.19 | dutchfish | _xYz__, /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules too |
| 11:19.20 | bantu | _xYz_, dutchfish: So removing the file is a one-time thing if I get that right? |
| 11:19.28 | Tapout | if you run .. make install, without a package manager .. is there a way to reverse it? I wanna clean it out and change directories/recompile .. but I don't want any leftovers |
| 11:19.32 | dutchfish | bantu, yes |
| 11:19.54 | dutchfish | bantu, it will be recreated |
| 11:20.06 | abrotman | !tell bantu about z25 |
| 11:20.20 | bantu | dutchfish already told me ;-) |
| 11:20.21 | dutchfish | !coffee abrotman |
| 11:20.21 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of organic, fair trade Tanzanian for abrotman, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 11:20.26 | abrotman | eww |
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| 11:22.04 | _xYz__ | !tell _xYz__ about z25 |
| 11:22.22 | abrotman | !tell _xYz__ about selftell |
| 11:22.40 | dutchfish | Tapout, i am afraid that needs manaually fixing it, why not build a package before install? |
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| 11:23.35 | bantu | I'm using Xen, so I guess the Mac is recreated every restart. So I still don't know how to fix this. |
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| 11:23.39 | Dave2 | .win 111 |
| 11:23.40 | Danker | Hi |
| 11:23.43 | bantu | *MAC |
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| 11:24.10 | dutchfish | bantu, bridged or routed xen? |
| 11:24.33 | bantu | had to changed from bridged to routed recently |
| 11:24.36 | Tapout | dutchfish, i manually cleaned it up, wish i could have done like ; make deinstall .. and it goes and cleans up (reverses the install steps)... not a big deal i guess |
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| 11:25.27 | NET||abuse | dutchfish: thanks for link, just reading it now. we need to shrink our lvm, we have a raid10 6 x 146GB, we striped across the drives, and ended up with 414G partition, deb installer did 1 lvm across the full capacity |
| 11:25.57 | NET||abuse | dutchfish: Now we need to shrink that down as the host os for xen, then setup multiple lvm's across the remaining capacity to run our xen instances |
| 11:26.00 | NET||abuse | guests. |
| 11:27.10 | dutchfish | NET||abuse, at the top of my head you need to shrink the FS first (all from rescue mode or the like) |
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| 11:27.22 | dutchfish | NET||abuse, i could be wrong, not sure |
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| 11:27.33 | drag0n-irl | dutchfish: Yes, we're going to do a resize2fs first. |
| 11:27.42 | dutchfish | ok |
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| 11:29.16 | dutchfish | bantu, maybe (depending on xen version) /etc/xen/scripts/vif-bridge is playing tricks on you too |
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| 11:30.17 | dutchfish | bantu, but you can check that with brctl show |
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| 11:30.56 | bantu | dutchfish: Returns an empty list. |
| 11:31.09 | dutchfish | bantu, righty, thats your problem |
| 11:32.21 | bantu | dutchfish: I don't use bridged. Should it show a bridge, though? |
| 11:32.34 | dutchfish | bantu, check that xend-config.sxp is properly configured |
| 11:32.51 | dutchfish | bantu, i thought you said brdige mode |
| 11:33.23 | dutchfish | bantu, ok, still xend-config.sxp is the place to setup initial bridging/routing |
| 11:33.33 | bantu | (network-script network-route) |
| 11:33.33 | bantu | (vif-script vif-route) |
| 11:33.36 | bantu | basically |
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| 11:33.52 | bantu | there are 2-3 other settings, but they should be okay |
| 11:34.07 | dutchfish | bantu, then check route |
| 11:34.07 | kGezgin | Enter text here... hi |
| 11:34.41 | dutchfish | bantu, and ifconfig of coarse |
| 11:35.19 | dutchfish | bantu, xen is unforgiving when physical devices changes there names |
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| 11:35.46 | bantu | dutchfish: I thought they were static. Hrm. |
| 11:35.59 | bantu | What am I looking for in vif-route? |
| 11:36.03 | dutchfish | bantu, no, not since udev/hotplug |
| 11:36.30 | dutchfish | bantu, but you can make them static with z25 |
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| 11:37.57 | bantu | dutchfish: So xen does no longer assign the MAC adress I enter the domU's configuration file, I guess. |
| 11:38.01 | dutchfish | bantu, vif-route are you non-physical devices created in the route table |
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| 11:38.57 | dutchfish | bantu, yes, but this depends in dom-0's non-physical being there |
| 11:39.12 | streuner | what does 'V' mean in cdparanoia? |
| 11:39.19 | testi | I have 2 USB hard drives, each time i reboot they change their device names sda becomes sdb and vice versa. Are there device alternate device-names that guarantee to be persistent across reboots? Or can I force them to be? |
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| 11:39.41 | dutchfish | bantu, wich wont if phys name changes on every boot |
| 11:40.16 | dutchfish | bantu, look at the /etc/xen/scripts dir to how this works |
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| 11:40.55 | dutchfish | bantu, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/360 |
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| 11:41.24 | trampolin | i'd like to install a 64 bit structure, what are the cons? |
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| 11:41.50 | themill | testi: you can mount them using their UUID or device id instead. Look in /dev/disk |
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| 11:42.53 | testi | themill: thank you |
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| 11:43.22 | themill | testi: personally, I use my desktop's automounter and no longer have to worry about such things. /msg dpkg automount |
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| 11:46.35 | FordCortina | is there a debian package that contains nenscript? |
| 11:47.05 | testi | themill: thanks, it's not a desktop - but let's see if there is something :) |
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| 11:48.17 | avu | !tell FordCortina about search |
| 11:48.38 | FordCortina | avu i have searched |
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| 11:49.09 | avu | well then either search using a method mentioned by dpkg that you haven't tried |
| 11:49.09 | FordCortina | im asking if there is a package that *contains* nenscript |
| 11:49.18 | avu | or know the answer is no |
| 11:49.18 | FordCortina | i.e. not obvious from the package name |
| 11:49.21 | avu | so? |
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| 11:49.24 | petemc | try reading the factoid |
| 11:49.28 | avu | read what dpkg said again |
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| 11:51.14 | rage | Is there a place where I can make a script run when I connect to a wireless network? |
| 11:51.49 | avu | rage, configure it as a post up script in your interfaces(5) |
| 11:52.10 | avu | rage, or do you mean 'to any wireless network', not one in particular? |
| 11:52.26 | rage | To any |
| 11:52.33 | dutchfish | FordCortina, maybe it got replaced by genscript? ;) |
| 11:53.03 | rage | Where would I find the post scripts? |
| 11:53.08 | avu | rage, then maybe /etc/network/if-up.d/ |
| 11:53.16 | rage | excellent :-) |
| 11:53.17 | FordCortina | dutchfish: i did a search for that aswell, not found anything yet |
| 11:53.34 | avu | rage, scripts there don't just get executed for wireless devices comming up though |
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| 11:53.47 | rage | mmm true |
| 11:53.56 | rage | only when the interface is configured I'm guessing |
| 11:54.10 | dutchfish | FordCortina, at the top of my head i believe it was in hamm or the like, maybe not anymore |
| 11:54.33 | dutchfish | FordCortina, but surely google can dream it up for ya |
| 11:54.36 | avu | rage, the scripts have access to a lot of parameters though.. |
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| 11:54.56 | rage | I've got wpasupplicant on here |
| 11:55.02 | rage | perhaps its got an option somewhere |
| 11:55.15 | FordCortina | dutchfish: ill look for ham. google only turned up tarballs. which i will use if no dpkg is availabe |
| 11:55.24 | dutchfish | FordCortina, http://archive.debian.net/nl/hamm/m68k/enscript/filelist |
| 11:55.44 | avu | rage, well, if you're using wpasupplicant, you're setting up the different networks in interfaces(5) anyway? |
| 11:56.32 | rage | I havent really set up wpa supplicant yet |
| 11:56.35 | FordCortina | dutchfish: oh i c, quite old then heh |
| 11:56.42 | dutchfish | FordCortina, yep |
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| 11:58.53 | dutchfish | FordCortina, did you have a look at a2ps? |
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| 11:59.22 | FordCortina | oh maybe encript == nenscript/genscript on linux |
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| 11:59.39 | dutchfish | yep, at least it WAS |
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| 12:00.04 | FordCortina | dutchfish: im look for something that pretty prints source code |
| 12:00.18 | FordCortina | i know someone who uses nenscript to do it |
| 12:00.21 | dutchfish | s/encript/enscript |
| 12:00.33 | FordCortina | and i thought i might try it |
| 12:00.50 | dutchfish | a2ps maybe is your friend nowadays |
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| 12:00.59 | trinux | for Lenny only the toolchain is frozen at the moment, right? |
| 12:01.00 | FordCortina | mainly pagination |
| 12:01.06 | FordCortina | i have used a2ps before |
| 12:01.10 | FordCortina | maybe ill just use that |
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| 12:01.22 | FordCortina | it does good 4-ups |
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| 12:01.42 | trinux | hoi orafu |
| 12:01.47 | dutchfish | FordCortina, at least i am much older then all those scripts, ha ... ;) |
| 12:01.57 | FordCortina | lol |
| 12:02.11 | mickeymouse | the cert for sftp need to be dsa? can not be rsa? |
| 12:02.33 | orafu | hoi trinux |
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| 12:02.51 | trinux | orafu: do you guys cooperate with debian developers lately? |
| 12:02.52 | themill | trinux: all libaries as of the end of this week. |
| 12:03.14 | trinux | themill: cool, so its pretty save to put in on my desktop |
| 12:03.35 | themill | maybe. There's still lots of RC bug... |
| 12:03.39 | themill | s |
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| 12:03.49 | themill | !wwlr |
| 12:03.50 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:" |
| 12:03.53 | trinux | i dont mind the one or other bug as long as nothing serious will break |
| 12:04.08 | dutchfish | ok, so i made some bug fixes on a packages. I want to send in a multifile patch is dpatch the preverred way to create them or diff -Nru and register them in 00list? |
| 12:04.11 | trinux | like all the stuff that depends on xapian e.g. |
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| 12:04.44 | trinux | xapian, libapt, etc. |
| 12:04.53 | trinux | and these are not in backports either |
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| 12:06.11 | orafu | trinux: some developers want to built packages from and against debian in our buildservice... but so far this has not materialized... there is interest for that though |
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| 12:06.48 | trinux | orafu: thats really cool news :) |
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| 12:07.22 | trinux | orafu: especially projects like debtags would rock if other distributors would contribute too |
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| 12:08.49 | trinux | so you can search for related software based on lots of things. the language it was implemented in, the interface it was made for, etc. |
| 12:09.31 | trinux | or you can find gimp when you search for "image editing" although it has in the description "image manipulation" |
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| 12:10.27 | orafu | trinux: yep, debtags sounds good ... ressources for doing things are a different problem though... *sigh* |
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| 12:12.09 | trinux | orafu: maybe the Debian Alioth project can help you guys get something hosted? |
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| 12:12.28 | trinux | or do you mean people resources? |
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| 12:16.30 | sleon | wc |
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| 12:16.45 | Sling | 1 |
| 12:16.47 | lichtblau | Hi. I'm running debian testing, and recently did an aptitude dist-upgrade, which seems to have broken various packages. aptitude fails to link libapt-pkg-libc6.7-6.so.4.6 on startup. apt-get complains about various unmet dependencies. |
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| 12:16.52 | lichtblau | Where would I start to try and fix all this? |
| 12:17.13 | trinux | oh no, libapt again! |
| 12:17.34 | lichtblau | oh, is it an FAQ? I couldn't find anything. |
| 12:17.37 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
| 12:17.50 | HardDisk_WP | can someone please load http://s-m.homeip.net/share/ct-helfer.sh and check if there are syntax errors?! |
| 12:17.55 | HardDisk_WP | http://pastebin.com/m4b957f6f |
| 12:17.55 | trinux | lichtblau: the package frequently breaks in sid and lenny |
| 12:18.06 | HardDisk_WP | this comes out when a user tries to execute it |
| 12:18.48 | Sling | HardDisk_WP sorry but im not running a random script provided to me trough irc |
| 12:18.55 | HardDisk_WP | not run it^^ |
| 12:19.09 | HardDisk_WP | just check it for obvious errors which could cause the pastebin output |
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| 12:19.30 | HardDisk_WP | because i dunno what could cause bash to misbehave |
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| 12:20.05 | cvn | hi how do i solve this issue: 451 file.avi: Append/Restart not permitted, try again |
| 12:20.39 | pete_ | cvn: read manual and use google. Or give more details |
| 12:20.50 | idimmu | stop warezing films using ftp |
| 12:20.56 | cvn | i tried to upload something to my server via ftp |
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| 12:21.05 | cvn | idimmu thats not a warez. |
| 12:21.11 | idimmu | the server doesnt support append or overwriting existing files |
| 12:21.11 | pete_ | ftpd does not support resume |
| 12:21.14 | idimmu | either fix the serverd |
| 12:21.22 | idimmu | or see if you can delete the file |
| 12:21.28 | idimmu | or upload it under a d ifferent name |
| 12:21.42 | pete_ | i bet file.avi is porn :D |
| 12:21.42 | cvn | hmm strange, i did not resume/overwrite it, i just uploaded it newly |
| 12:21.48 | cvn | pete_ nope |
| 12:21.58 | cvn | sorry to disappoint tho :p |
| 12:22.02 | pete_ | damn :) |
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| 12:22.08 | cvn | is there a way to enable resume? |
| 12:22.14 | cvn | i can enter the configuration |
| 12:22.15 | idimmu | maybe you dont have write access |
| 12:22.27 | idimmu | maybe the transfer timed out so there is a bit of the file on there? |
| 12:22.42 | cvn | ok i'll try again |
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| 12:23.14 | phil25ls | hi |
| 12:23.23 | trinux | cva: upload a small test file and see if the problem stays. then you have a permissions problem |
| 12:23.43 | cvn | ok will try that, trifler |
| 12:23.45 | cvn | oops trinux |
| 12:23.50 | phil25ls | i need help for configure my preseed file |
| 12:23.50 | trinux | :P |
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| 12:25.12 | phil25ls | i have a problem with partman-auto |
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| 12:27.13 | phil25ls | i define a expert-recipe , i would like to create a /boot ext3 FS (/dev/sda1) and a LVM disk (/dev/sda2) for / ,/usr , /var |
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| 12:27.52 | aNOOBisa | Does anyone know how to remove a drbd device without restarting drbd? |
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| 12:28.47 | phil25ls | but finally the installer create /dev/sda1 for /boot , and /dev/sda2 for nothing and /dev/sda3 for extended partition adn a /dev/sda5 for my lvm |
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| 12:29.18 | DustyDingo | hm, i try to boot netinstal from a usb stick |
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| 12:29.25 | DustyDingo | as described here http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en |
| 12:29.57 | DustyDingo | it works on my x61, but on an other system syslinux starts up and prints |
| 12:30.06 | DustyDingo | "Could not find kernel image: linux" |
| 12:30.17 | DustyDingo | and gives a "boot:" prompt |
| 12:30.17 | sladi | Hi! When installing anacron will it automatically do the current cron jobs then? |
| 12:30.29 | Danker | Who is this man? http://www.sysadminday.lt/attachments/Image/Who_is_who/who02.jpg |
| 12:30.32 | phil25ls | why the installer create /dev/sda3 and /dev/sda5 and do not using /dev/sda2 ? |
| 12:30.36 | DustyDingo | when i enter vmlinuz it doesn't work either, any idears how to fix this? |
| 12:30.47 | phil25ls | thank for help |
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| 12:32.17 | sladi | phil25ls: IIRC sda2 is the extended partition. The logical partitions within are the next. If you only use primary paritition (four maximum per hdd AFAIK) there will be sda1, sda2, sda3. :) |
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| 12:35.09 | r00txc | Hi |
| 12:35.29 | Sling | hi |
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| 12:36.42 | phil25ls | my expert-recipe has 2 primary partition : 512 512 512 ext3 $defaultignore{ } $primary{ } $bootable{ } method{ format } format{ } use_filesystem{ } filesystem{ ext3 } mountpoint{ /boot } . |
| 12:36.59 | idimmu | sladi: typically isnt sdx5 the extended partition |
| 12:37.17 | phil25ls | and 4096 4096 8192 ext3 $defaultignore{ } $primary{ } device{ /dev/sda2 } vgname{ rootvg } method{ lvm } . |
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| 12:38.33 | phil25ls | and next is only logical volume same as swap / /usr /var /tmp /home |
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| 12:39.54 | sladi | idimmu: I see. I do have three primary partitions and they're hda1-3. I'm not sure about the details. ^^ |
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| 12:41.23 | phil25ls | manually it's work fine ,/dev/sda1 1 62 497983+ 83 Linux |
| 12:41.25 | phil25ls | /dev/sda2 63 1305 9984397+ 8e Linux LVM |
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| 12:48.06 | kervan | Hi. I have problem about gn |
| 12:48.55 | cedric33 | hi i search nagios 3 for etch version but i don't found |
| 12:48.57 | DustyDingo | can anyone tell me, where i can find the "debian archive" http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s04.html.en or more precisely, the vmlinuz, initrd,.. to build a netinstall usb stick? |
| 12:49.04 | kervan | Hi. I have problem about "aptitude upgrade" this command allways updates the same packages. How can I fix it. |
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| 12:50.22 | Pronco | Restarting nagios3 monitoring daemon: nagios3/sbin/start-stop-daemon: warning: failed to kill 17931: No such process |
| 12:50.33 | Pronco | /etc/init.d/nagios3 restart <- does not work |
| 12:50.50 | Pronco | how do I fix it? |
| 12:50.53 | cedric33 | Pronco : xhere you find the package nagios 3 ? |
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| 12:51.11 | Pronco | cedric33, I got it from debian testing repo |
| 12:51.26 | Pronco | cedric33, apt-get -t testing install nagios3 |
| 12:51.29 | cedric33 | on the ethc version there are not nagios 3 ? |
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| 12:51.44 | Pronco | cedric33, only nagios2 |
| 12:51.58 | cedric33 | ok i must use the testing debian version |
| 12:51.59 | nkuttler | kervan: why is that a problem? |
| 12:52.00 | cedric33 | thanks |
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| 12:52.52 | nkuttler | Pronco: look why the script fails |
| 12:53.17 | kervan | Because update manager opens me a popup to update those packages. And that is a problem I want to fix it. |
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| 12:54.08 | nkuttler | kervan: paste the output of aptitude upgrade somewhere |
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| 12:54.34 | Pronco | nkuttler, how? |
| 12:54.36 | cedric33 | how i can add the source list of debian testing? |
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| 12:54.47 | Pronco | nkuttler, it works but gives some misleading errors |
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| 12:56.30 | cedric33 | nodoby can tell me i search a source list for testing |
| 12:56.36 | cedric33 | thansk |
| 12:56.42 | kervan | nkuttler: please see this : http://pastebin.com/m5320db75 |
| 12:57.13 | idimmu | cedric33: sed -i s/stable/testing /etc/apt/sources.list !! |
| 12:57.20 | idimmu | cedric33: sed -i s/stable/testing/g /etc/apt/sources.list !! |
| 12:57.22 | idimmu | fs |
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| 12:58.50 | kervan | nkuttler: did you see I'm upgrading the packages and I write "aptitude upgrade" again. ana system says that packages are old. But I have updated the packages before 1 minutes |
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| 13:00.05 | cedric33 | idimmu : i change stable to testing and i can install pakage testing ? |
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| 13:00.27 | nkuttler | kervan: having that in english would be good, add LANG=en_US at the beginning of the command |
| 13:01.11 | idimmu | cedric33: probably |
| 13:01.15 | sladi | cedric33: Search google for 'apt pinning for beginners' |
| 13:01.20 | cedric33 | idimmu : but i have on the file source list a stable i have only main contrilb non-free |
| 13:01.21 | idimmu | it might break your entire system |
| 13:01.26 | cedric33 | thanks |
| 13:01.38 | idimmu | generally people that use testing should know what they're doing as its not recommended |
| 13:01.45 | sladi | cedric33: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 13:01.51 | idimmu | thats a really polite way of saying maybe you should wait till lenny is released ! |
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| 13:04.35 | yangp | Is a .uif file extensions similar to .iso extension, can it be burned the same way? |
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| 13:05.16 | idimmu | not really |
| 13:05.25 | idimmu | its like a compressed cd image |
| 13:05.36 | idimmu | you'll need a tool that can handle it |
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| 13:05.41 | Pronco | Any ideas? |
| 13:05.42 | yangp | so any idea how to burn it with wodim |
| 13:05.53 | Pronco | how do I get rid of this error? |
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| 13:07.43 | nkuttler | !errors |
| 13:07.43 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors |
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| 13:09.17 | cedric33 | idimmu : on the web page i have deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main non-free contrib i add this on the file source.list and after itry the commande apt-get update but i have error 404 |
| 13:09.18 | kervan | nkuttler: I have installed en_US but now I can't see the update error. |
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| 13:12.09 | pol | how can I list the files from a dokg file? |
| 13:12.12 | pol | deb |
| 13:12.22 | petemc | dpkg -L package |
| 13:12.22 | dpkg | No packages found matching package |
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| 13:12.44 | idimmu | dpkg -L xutils |
| 13:12.45 | dpkg | No packages found matching xutils |
| 13:12.53 | pol | thanks |
| 13:12.57 | themill | dpkg: stfu |
| 13:12.58 | dpkg | somebody said stfu was Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 13:12.58 | idimmu | weird |
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| 13:13.02 | blizzkid | lo all. Does anyone know of a way/guide/howto about how to get a notification in Gnome when a bluetooth phone receives an sms? |
| 13:13.18 | idimmu | man thats not very pc :/ |
| 13:13.33 | idimmu | also 404 |
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| 13:17.06 | vadi2 | Is there a web interface to reporting a bug? The 'reportbug' tool fails for me. |
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| 13:17.10 | andrewtaylor_ | hi, I've got an etch system where the clock is always 5 minutes fast, I'm trying to get ntpd setup but I'm having some problems, does anyone know of a good tutorial or howto? |
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| 13:17.51 | pol | how can I add this: http://lyre.mit.edu/~powell/opencascade/ repository to the sources.list? :S |
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| 13:20.37 | abrotman | vadi2: fails how |
| 13:20.38 | abrotman | ? |
| 13:20.51 | vadi2 | 'SMTP send failure: {'ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com': (550, 'relay not permitted')}' |
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| 13:21.02 | abrotman | vadi2: uhm .. ask #ubuntu ? |
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| 13:21.09 | vadi2 | I need to report a bug to debian. |
| 13:21.16 | abrotman | on a Debian package? |
| 13:21.19 | vadi2 | Yes |
| 13:21.23 | abrotman | use your ISP's SMTP server |
| 13:21.32 | vadi2 | I don't know how to do that. |
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| 13:21.54 | abrotman | see if there's a ~/.reportbug .. that has an SMTP server defined |
| 13:21.57 | LGgoop | How do I configure pam differently for different users? |
| 13:22.14 | themill | vadi2: and why is the ubuntu user's lists being included on a debian bug report? |
| 13:22.15 | vadi2 | abrotman: there's a .reportbugrc |
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| 13:22.23 | abrotman | edit it .. |
| 13:22.28 | vadi2 | themill: I don't know |
| 13:22.29 | abrotman | or paste it so we can look at it |
| 13:22.40 | abrotman | vadi2: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us the line |
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| 13:23.03 | sladi | vadi2: Maybe do reportbug -configure and say you don't have MTA configured. |
| 13:23.06 | vadi2 | thanks, it's this: http://pastebin.com/m2420f5ab and I'm on gmail |
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| 13:23.30 | abrotman | vadi2: you can just send a bug report via gmail .. |
| 13:23.37 | themill | vadi2: reportbug_version "3.39ubuntu3" wtf? |
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| 13:23.43 | vadi2 | where to? |
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| 13:24.07 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
| 13:24.08 | themill | vadi2: seriously, ask #ubuntu. You clearly have an ubuntu system and not a debian system. |
| 13:24.16 | vadi2 | I need to report a bug to debian... |
| 13:24.24 | abrotman | vadi2: on which package? |
| 13:24.27 | vadi2 | kmuddy |
| 13:24.28 | themill | vadi2: why? |
| 13:24.33 | abrotman | vadi2: and where did you get the package? |
| 13:24.53 | abrotman | vadi2: you're using Ubuntu .. why would you send a bug to Debian ? |
| 13:24.57 | vadi2 | nowhere, but the package is "being packaged" for over 1,500 days now. I'm wondering how can I speed things up |
| 13:25.03 | abrotman | kmuddy isn't even in debian |
| 13:25.09 | vadi2 | Yeah, that's my issue. |
| 13:25.12 | abrotman | vadi2: that's different than reporting a bug |
| 13:25.55 | abrotman | can i laugh at the idea of the "KDE MUD Client" ? |
| 13:26.17 | vadi2 | Yeah, because sadly it's the only decent one on linux |
| 13:26.22 | abrotman | vadi2: i really doubt that |
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| 13:26.36 | abrotman | anyways .. you'd just send an email to bug#@bugs.debian.org .. and ask the status |
| 13:26.36 | vadi2 | Anyway, is there anything I can do? |
| 13:26.43 | vadi2 | Ok |
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| 13:27.01 | themill | vadi2: if you want to offer help, email the owner of the bug Cc the addr abrotman said |
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| 13:27.33 | aronofsky | can aynone tell what means the field priority in Packages.gz file from update mirrors ? |
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| 13:29.52 | vadi2 | themill, abrotman: thanks much. |
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| 13:30.16 | stew | aronofsky: http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s-priorities |
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| 13:31.58 | aronofsky | stew: thx |
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| 13:32.22 | abrotman | grr .. he left |
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| 13:39.05 | cedric33 | when i try to install on testing source nagios 3 it make a big manipulation install libc6 ... is it normal? |
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| 13:39.49 | ma3x | what package should i install so that i will have the battery monitor in kde? |
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| 13:40.57 | abrotman | cedric33: which version of debian are you running? |
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| 13:41.30 | tania | hello, i need to change a user language to his native language (so gimp start with correct setting) but not the system language, cause i woudllike to keep it english. How to do that? |
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| 13:42.23 | cedric33 | abrotman : etch version |
| 13:43.02 | cedric33 | it replace gnome applet .... i think it make a big update for a small pakage :) |
| 13:43.10 | abrotman | cedric33: you should not mix etch with other versions of debian |
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| 13:43.30 | abrotman | !tell cedric33 about bpo |
| 13:43.39 | cedric33 | abrotman : i want to install nagios 3 and the package deb is for testing not native on etch version |
| 13:44.03 | cedric33 | i don't know what is the best solution |
| 13:44.31 | cedric33 | download the tarball or install a testing deb if you can help me :) |
| 13:44.48 | abrotman | !tell cedric33 about bpo |
| 13:44.59 | abrotman | read what the bot told you |
| 13:45.06 | abrotman | it's way better than mucking up your whole system |
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| 13:46.33 | cedric33 | abrotman : sorry i don't know what is mucking |
| 13:46.47 | abrotman | breaking |
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| 13:47.28 | nkuttler | tania: did you try setting the language in gnome? |
| 13:47.34 | cedric33 | ito summary the best solution is to install with testing source or no |
| 13:47.35 | cedric33 | ? |
| 13:47.54 | abrotman | cedric33: the bot sent you a msg .. did you read it ? |
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| 13:48.22 | themill | abrotman: [13:57] <idimmu> cedric33: sed -i s/stable/testing/g /etc/apt/sources.list !! |
| 13:48.23 | cedric33 | sorry no i just see it on private channel i read now |
| 13:48.26 | fugit | !tell fugit about bpo |
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| 13:48.55 | cedric33 | ok i use my system on testing all my system |
| 13:48.55 | abrotman | lovely |
| 13:49.00 | abrotman | !tell fugit about selftell |
| 13:49.05 | cedric33 | i am no use the both only testing package |
| 13:49.11 | abrotman | !tell cedric33 about etch->lenny |
| 13:49.12 | fugit | thanks abrotman :-) |
| 13:50.12 | cedric33 | the problem is lenny is not stable there are mor bug no i can't use this on server porduction |
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| 13:51.11 | abrotman | you shouldn't have been mixing systems |
| 13:51.32 | cedric33 | abrotman : ok i understand this i shoose etch or lenny but i must use nagios 3 |
| 13:51.57 | cedric33 | i can't update all my system to lenny (unstable) to use nagios3 |
| 13:51.58 | tania | so, in a debian there is some way to change a specific user langiage, or just set LANG in his bashrc ? |
| 13:52.21 | cedric33 | i make a big manipulation ofr one package it's very hard |
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| 13:52.37 | abrotman | cedric33: the bot has told you *twice* about bpo .. |
| 13:53.00 | abrotman | cedric33: sadly .. you seem to have already begun the transition to lenny .. which you can't reverse easily |
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| 13:53.27 | trinux | tania: have a look at "apropos locale" |
| 13:53.46 | cedric33 | no i try on test server not on the production server |
| 13:53.49 | abrotman | tania: that is how |
| 13:54.09 | abrotman | cedric33: then see what the bot told you about bpo .. bpo has nagios3 |
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| 13:55.11 | trinux | i wonder when they finally include backports into the official repositories |
| 13:55.47 | abrotman | then they wouldn't be backports would they? |
| 13:55.51 | abrotman | !etchnhalf |
| 13:55.52 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf , report bugs and problems to their mailing list please. |
| 13:56.00 | abrotman | i don't know how many things they're pulling in though |
| 13:56.02 | themill | trinux: there is talk about if for lenny, but there was also some resistance to it. volatile will be included and perhaps the debian-multimedia.org key |
| 13:56.11 | trinux | abrotman: why not? main contrib bpo non-free |
| 13:56.23 | themill | abrotman: not much. kernel and a couple of x drivers is the most part. |
| 13:56.25 | abrotman | trinux: how is that different than adding a separate source line ? |
| 13:56.32 | Pronco | how do I checked which mods on apache are enabled and which aren't? |
| 13:56.42 | abrotman | Pronco: look in the /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ |
| 13:56.52 | themill | trinux: except that bpo is not a section it's a release. |
| 13:56.57 | trinux | abrotman: cause people are 1. unsure if that is trustable 2. people want security updates 3. many people dont know BPO exists |
| 13:57.01 | abrotman | themill: but it could be changed |
| 13:57.05 | Pronco | abrotman, let me check |
| 13:57.26 | themill | abrotman: then backports would have to do lots more work backporting |
| 13:57.36 | trinux | i am not saying all the workload should make developers smile, just looking at the users side |
| 13:57.37 | Pronco | abrotman, if mod_auth_ldap is not installed |
| 13:57.41 | Nyle | whoah, my phone was on silent and my sister came to my house and started bangin on my window |
| 13:57.43 | Pronco | abrotman, how do I install it? |
| 13:57.45 | abrotman | trinux: 1) the BPO are done by DDs 2) the security team has enough to worry about 3) and what? |
| 13:57.54 | abrotman | Pronco: apt-cache search apache2 mod ldap |
| 13:57.57 | Nyle | my immigration test is today! 1 hour |
| 13:58.04 | trinux | abrotman: you know that, i do. some people here do. but many debian users dont know that |
| 13:58.04 | Nyle | wish me luck fellow debian people |
| 13:58.13 | harpal | how to know which command is in which packet? I have java command but I want to uninstall it |
| 13:58.17 | abrotman | trinux: then they probably shouldn't be mucking with backports anyways |
| 13:58.20 | trinux | same goes for debian-multimedia.org |
| 13:58.29 | abrotman | won't happen |
| 13:58.34 | cedric33 | abrotman : my last question is it a stable version lenny ? |
| 13:58.37 | abrotman | no |
| 13:58.37 | themill | trinux: it would be easier to allow them to do apt-get install sources-backports and have that drop the appropriate file in sources.list.d |
| 13:58.52 | themill | trinux: that can't happen. debian can't endorse that work |
| 13:58.57 | abrotman | trinux: we can't distribute good chunks of what is in dmm |
| 13:58.58 | sladi | harpal: search debian package site |
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| 13:59.07 | trinux | abrotman: very broken ethics - "if the users doesnt know he is supposed to stop using our software" thats why ubuntu catches many people by "linux for human beings" :) and i am not trolling at all now |
| 13:59.07 | abrotman | !tell harpal about search |
| 13:59.19 | abrotman | trinux: because etch is fine |
| 13:59.27 | trinux | not for the desktop |
| 13:59.31 | abrotman | trinux: sure it is |
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| 13:59.44 | trinux | no, cause X.org and Gnome that is 2 years old wont pull any sausage |
| 13:59.50 | abrotman | trinux: sit here longer .. you'll find that many people don't *need* backports .. they want them, and they do all kinds of dumb stuff |
| 13:59.55 | abrotman | yes .. etch is fine for a desktop |
| 14:00.05 | abrotman | if you don't agree .. maybe you should go to #ubuntu |
| 14:00.20 | themill | !discussion |
| 14:00.20 | dpkg | Remember that this channel is not a discussion channel, it is a user-support channel. All discussions should occur in #debian-offtopic whether they be Debian related or not. So feel free to /join #debian-offtopic and talk about the Debian project itself, cryptography, programming techniques, life, the universe, everything, ... |
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| 14:00.23 | trinux | abrotman: but thats a totally different problem, workload on developers and support people. that needs to be addressed in a different way |
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| 14:00.42 | trinux | oh, sorry for the off-topic blobs |
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| 14:00.49 | abrotman | yay #-ot! |
| 14:01.21 | trinux | and btw - sending me to #ubuntu is very rude :P |
| 14:01.23 | trinux | hides |
| 14:01.26 | jetscreamer | etch is what? |
| 14:01.32 | Nyle | jetscreamer, hey man |
| 14:01.37 | jetscreamer | hey nyle |
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| 14:01.42 | Nyle | whats up man |
| 14:01.45 | Nyle | where you been lately |
| 14:01.48 | apt_get | Hi |
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| 14:01.53 | jetscreamer | lack of sleep, as usual |
| 14:01.53 | Nyle | hello |
| 14:01.58 | jetscreamer | back to working more |
| 14:02.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I'm about to go take my immigration test |
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| 14:02.05 | apt_get | why aptitude install equivs in LENNY, wanna install citadel??? |
| 14:02.17 | jetscreamer | cool... good luck. |
| 14:02.18 | wols | apt_get: probably a recommends |
| 14:02.29 | Nyle | I took the study guide test, almost aced it, just need to memorize some states and some names of current people |
| 14:02.32 | Nyle | im set |
| 14:02.33 | themill | apt_get: it's looking for an mta |
| 14:02.34 | Nyle | jetscreamer, thanks man |
| 14:02.45 | jetscreamer | i took a friend of mine to his post test swearing in ceremony |
| 14:02.50 | jetscreamer | he was happy |
| 14:02.55 | Nyle | well im out |
| 14:02.57 | Nyle | take care |
| 14:03.01 | Pronco | abrotman, I found ldap.load on mods-available |
| 14:03.01 | jetscreamer | cya! |
| 14:03.06 | Pronco | abrotman, how do I enable it |
| 14:03.16 | apt_get | but citadel its a egroupware... why equivs need that? im very disapointed |
| 14:03.16 | abrotman | Pronco: a2enmod |
| 14:03.16 | apt_get | heheh |
| 14:03.21 | abrotman | !br |
| 14:03.22 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:03.22 | Pronco | abrotman, how do I symlink |
| 14:03.27 | abrotman | Pronco: a2enmod |
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| 14:04.27 | jetscreamer | man ln |
| 14:04.40 | jetscreamer | ln -sn target linkname works |
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| 14:05.01 | cedric33 | abrotman : the last question if i want to backport the package where i can found the source of nagios3 the bed source to rebuild this please? |
| 14:05.18 | abrotman | give sup |
| 14:05.26 | jetscreamer | per |
| 14:05.26 | abrotman | jetscreamer: a2enmod |
| 14:05.46 | themill | apt_get: it needs *any* mta and the developer hasn't specified a default option so the first one found is chosen. That means citadelle (normally it would be exim). |
| 14:05.53 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i'll stfu now because i don't have the slightest idea what that word means |
| 14:06.26 | apt_get | right |
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| 14:07.01 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 14:07.23 | jetscreamer | a2enmod is a program that enables the specified apache2 module within the apache2 configuration. ... |
| 14:07.40 | jetscreamer | apache2 enable mod |
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| 14:07.46 | jetscreamer | wow |
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| 14:08.09 | abrotman | jetscreamer: make more sense now? :) |
| 14:08.11 | themill | jetscreamer: see also a2dismod a2ensite a2dissite |
| 14:08.14 | cedric33 | abrotman : thanks for your help |
| 14:08.21 | jetscreamer | yeah google helps a little |
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| 14:13.03 | harpal | I ahve set java path in to /etc/profile file and I have relogin in to shell but still its not accepting it in a path |
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| 14:14.54 | dFence | hey, guys. i have a couple of libraries in a non-default folder (/opt/usr/lib). what environment-variable do i have to set so a regular program can find it? |
| 14:14.57 | jetscreamer | if you use gdm it alters the user's path from what the console default would be, if you changed that |
| 14:15.02 | jetscreamer | hth |
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| 14:17.19 | Sling | dFence : ld.so.conf |
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| 14:17.59 | Pronco | abrotman, the ldap module is enabled now but it doesn't work with nagios |
| 14:18.02 | Pronco | abrotman, auth_ldap authenticate: user aosama authentication failed; URI /nagios3 [LDAP: ldap_simple_bind_s() failed][Can't contact LDAP server] |
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| 14:18.27 | Sling | put your library paths in that file |
| 14:18.29 | Sling | and run ldconfig |
| 14:18.44 | Sling | dynamic loader cache will then include those paths |
| 14:18.46 | hlfshell | Hello all - how do I install i2c support in Debian? I expected to find i2c.h in /usr/include but much to my dismay it wasnt there |
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| 14:19.48 | Sling | hlfshell : get the i2c-source package |
| 14:19.58 | Sling | oh wait thats really old |
| 14:20.03 | hlfshell | i was reading that- isnt thato ld? |
| 14:20.11 | Pronco | Sling, ? |
| 14:20.13 | hlfshell | yeah.... it seems like that is an out of date package. i need the most recent |
| 14:20.16 | Sling | libglui2c2 |
| 14:20.29 | \amethyst | hlfshell: i2c support is part of the kernel. The userspace headers come from linux-kernel-headers (etch) or linux-libc-dev (>etch) |
| 14:20.38 | \amethyst | hlfshell: they're in /usr/include/linux/i2c.h |
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| 14:21.00 | hlfshell | ah there they are \amethyst ! thank you very much! |
| 14:21.01 | Sling | Pronco : that was for dFence |
| 14:21.02 | \amethyst | hlfshell: note that those are userspace-sanitized headers, and differ from the kernel-headers-$(uname -r) packages |
| 14:21.22 | \amethyst | (the latter being intended only for kernel modules) |
| 14:21.33 | hlfshell | thank you very much \amethyst - that was exactly what i needed |
| 14:21.46 | dFence | Sling: that's the thing.... i don't have ld.so.conf |
| 14:21.50 | Pronco | Sling, ok |
| 14:21.54 | Sling | dFence : then make it |
| 14:21.58 | Sling | in /etc/ |
| 14:22.07 | dFence | Sling: and just feed it the paths? |
| 14:22.10 | Sling | yup |
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| 14:22.23 | dam85 | hello everybody |
| 14:22.25 | Sling | hi |
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| 14:22.44 | dam85 | where are the ufficial debian testing repo? |
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| 14:23.11 | dam85 | i'm seeing http://packages.debian.org/testing/ |
| 14:23.18 | dam85 | but there aren't |
| 14:23.58 | rwaite | you're doing it wrong. |
| 14:24.01 | stiv2k | Would I be able to gain any significant increase in battery life by removing my sda hard disk? |
| 14:24.07 | petemc | dam85: http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/dists/ |
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| 14:24.41 | Sling | stiv2k : depends on how much its used normally |
| 14:24.42 | dutchfish | Starting iceweasel took forever over 10 seconds. Now that i did touch /etc/ld.so.nohwcap its reduced to less then 1 second. The question is why? (debian lenny amd64, latest kernel, up to date system) |
| 14:25.02 | rwaite | what is nohwcap? |
| 14:25.04 | stiv2k | Sling: It's usually always mounted, but I rarely access data on it, it just spins idle |
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| 14:25.18 | dam85 | ok perfect!! thanks |
| 14:25.25 | Sling | then its probably not using any significant amount of battery |
| 14:25.30 | dutchfish | rwaite, strace iceweasel and watch |
| 14:25.30 | rwaite | stiv2k: why no power saving? |
| 14:25.42 | stiv2k | Sling: It doesn't consume power just spinning? |
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| 14:26.11 | Sling | well if its always spinning and never gets suspended, then it *would* be a saver |
| 14:26.16 | dutchfish | rwaite, or better strace -0 trace.log iceweasel |
| 14:26.22 | dam85 | petemc: excuse me but what is the complete path of the server to put into sources.list ? |
| 14:26.29 | rwaite | the answer to my question is in 'man ld.so' |
| 14:26.42 | stiv2k | Sling: I can't tell if it spins down, would unmounting it do anything? |
| 14:26.54 | petemc | dam85: deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 14:27.11 | nichos | is there a "pretty font" howto for debian? |
| 14:27.17 | rwaite | why would loading the unoptimized lib speed it up, though, that's the q |
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| 14:28.35 | Sling | cleartype |
| 14:28.45 | dutchfish | righty, hence my q |
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| 14:29.33 | rwaite | probably firefox being designed stupidly. |
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| 14:29.50 | dutchfish | cleartype in both cases is working (with/without touch /etc/ld.so.nohwcap) |
| 14:29.52 | britsun | I think I may need some help getting access to my machine. I was trying to initialize pam_opie.so, and have now locked myself out. I have logged in with init=/bin/bash passed to the kernel, and tried lots of things to fix it but nothing helps |
| 14:30.27 | munkyeetr | nichos: http://quanli.googlepages.com/davidturner%27slcdcleartype-likepatchesandpackagesfordebiansid |
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| 14:30.27 | rwaite | well, nohwcap seems to disable some sort of auto-figure-out-if-theres-optimized-libs |
| 14:30.36 | dutchfish | yeh |
| 14:30.40 | rwaite | so maybe the lib optimizer sucks, or firefox is working it too hard |
| 14:30.46 | rwaite | or they both suck |
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| 14:31.00 | nichos | munkyeetr, thanks! |
| 14:31.01 | dutchfish | no idee, but its a jaw-dropping effect |
| 14:31.07 | rwaite | lol |
| 14:31.09 | munkyeetr | nichos: np |
| 14:31.17 | tazsta | hey all just a quick question here. i have a Core 2 Duo and i am just wondering what iso immage from the debian website would be best for this processor. i was thinking the AMD64 but just wanted to make sure before DL the iso |
| 14:31.31 | pickcoder | !amd64 |
| 14:31.31 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 14:31.32 | britsun | I have already tried blanking the passwords is /etc/shadow , changing the passwords with passwd() and disabling pam_opie but the login program still wont accept anything. Any ideas? |
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| 14:31.51 | dutchfish | rwaite, even scrolling has improved dramatically |
| 14:32.01 | themill | tazsta: either amd64 or i386. Your choice. |
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| 14:32.09 | SRabbelier | Gah, how do I get bash to not expand '*' into all files in the current directory but just pass on the darn thing as argument? |
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| 14:32.30 | dutchfish | rwaite, how to figure out why? |
| 14:32.35 | rwaite | dutchfish: methinks its either one of the things i already mentioned, or one of the "optimized" libs runs better on your system then the unoptimized |
| 14:32.38 | petemc | SRabbelier: \* |
| 14:32.40 | blame | Can you anyone suggest relatively easy solution for shaping and controling trafic on a SOHO-like network? |
| 14:32.46 | dam85 | petemc: testing non stable |
| 14:32.50 | rwaite | i have no tried it on my lenny system, so i may not get the same effect |
| 14:32.59 | britsun | How do I open getty on an empty virtual terminal ? |
| 14:33.00 | SRabbelier | petemc: doesn't seem to work.. |
| 14:33.06 | pickcoder | SRabbelier: quoting doesn't work? |
| 14:33.07 | dutchfish | rwaite, ho wait, this is on all my machines not only this one |
| 14:33.12 | petemc | dam85: so adjust it to suit, you are capable of thinking for yourself, arent you? |
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| 14:33.20 | rwaite | dutchfish: perhaps verify what libs its using in both cases? |
| 14:33.33 | SRabbelier | pickcoder: test.sh "\*" # results in '\*' being passed as argument |
| 14:33.34 | petemc | SRabbelier: does here "echo *" vs "echo \*" |
| 14:33.35 | dutchfish | rwaite, enlightne me a bit ... |
| 14:33.36 | rwaite | doesn't know how to ldd a running process |
| 14:33.52 | tazsta | themill: i am a fairly new to linux bloke and have ubuntu atm but i want to give debian a try ;) so would i have more problems getting the amd64 setup correctly then the normal i386? thanks for the help too |
| 14:33.54 | dutchfish | has the same lack of knowledge |
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| 14:34.06 | SRabbelier | petemc: yeah, seems to work with 'echo', but not when I 'echo $@' in my script |
| 14:34.33 | munkyeetr | britsun: CTRL+ALT+F1 through F6; CTRL+ALT+F7 to return to GUI |
| 14:34.33 | pickcoder | SRabbelier: no... "*" not "\*" |
| 14:34.36 | themill | tazsta: non-free crap like flash and java plugins are harder to get working with amd64. Otherwise it's the same |
| 14:34.46 | SRabbelier | pickcoder: same |
| 14:34.51 | pickcoder | isn't that what you want |
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| 14:35.10 | dutchfish | rwaite, for your info this is a clean iceweasel, no plugins no extensions |
| 14:35.19 | SRabbelier | pickcoder: when using the most trivial script: cat test.sh: "echo $@" |
| 14:35.48 | britsun | munkyeetr: not that. I have an empty virtual terminal, tty2 I think, with nothing in it, and I want to login to use it |
| 14:35.55 | tazsta | themill: ok i like a challenge so i might give the amd64 a go. thanks heaps for the help ;) |
| 14:36.04 | munkyeetr | britsun: sorry misunderstood |
| 14:36.09 | pickcoder | is 2.6.25 ni bpo getting as many updates to it as 2.6.18?? |
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| 14:36.22 | pickcoder | I'm getting tired of having to reboot these machines |
| 14:36.23 | SRabbelier | pickcoder: when I then do ./test.sh "*" |
| 14:36.39 | SRabbelier | pickcoder: it still echo's the directories contents |
| 14:36.42 | rwaite | dutchfish: basically, you can 'strace -0 logfile.log iceweasel' both before and after touching the nohwcap file. compare the traces and see any differences |
| 14:37.03 | themill | SRabbelier: what's inside test.sh? |
| 14:37.09 | dutchfish | rwaite, i did, i have, not sure what to look for |
| 14:37.20 | rwaite | different libs being loaded? |
| 14:37.21 | SRabbelier | themill: "#!/bin/bash" "" "echo $@" |
| 14:37.30 | themill | SRabbelier: well there's your problem. |
| 14:37.41 | dutchfish | rwaite, total error drops from 1499 back to 900 only |
| 14:37.52 | themill | SRabbelier: * is being expanded in that echo statement and not on the test.sh command line. |
| 14:38.15 | SRabbelier | themill: aaaaah... like that, makes sense, thanks :) |
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| 14:38.30 | rwaite | hmm. maybe its a bug in firefox? |
| 14:38.43 | dutchfish | rwaite, i am afraid yes |
| 14:38.44 | rwaite | search mozilla's bugtracker for similar reports |
| 14:38.48 | themill | SRabbelier: every time a command is executed, some form of parameter expansion happens |
| 14:38.58 | dutchfish | rwaite, thank you sir, i will do |
| 14:39.09 | Jemt | Greetz. We have an IP conflict on our network with close to a hundred computers. How on earth do I find the sinner? |
| 14:39.17 | SRabbelier | themill: *nods*, ok, so what if I want to pass that * as argument to say, 'git ls-files' and not get it expanded? |
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| 14:39.37 | SRabbelier | themill: can I from my script just call 'git ls-files $1' safely? |
| 14:39.48 | SRabbelier | themill: or should I wrapp the $! with quotes? |
| 14:39.59 | zafy | hi I'm a big n00b and I need detailled instructions on how to backport python2.5.2 to debian etch. can someone help me through that ? |
| 14:40.05 | pickcoder | Jemt: a network analyzer? |
| 14:40.10 | zafy | I already have python 2.5 installed |
| 14:40.13 | Jemt | pickcoder: Any suggestions ? |
| 14:40.27 | themill | SRabbelier: you need double quotes, git ls-files "$1" |
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| 14:40.56 | pickcoder | Jemt: not really |
| 14:40.58 | dutchfish | rwaite, as a site effect i have no more crashes (so far) |
| 14:41.11 | pickcoder | Jemt: you definately need the MAC... |
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| 14:41.12 | SRabbelier | themill: and if I pass to a function? say: do_something $@, same story? |
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| 14:41.20 | wols | !tell zafy about ssb |
| 14:41.23 | britsun | Hey, does anyone here think they could rescue my machine? |
| 14:41.25 | pickcoder | do you have a device/MAC reference? |
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| 14:41.32 | pickcoder | if not, good look |
| 14:41.36 | pickcoder | s/look/luck |
| 14:41.38 | themill | SRabbelier: have a look at the bash faq. There's "$@" for those situations. |
| 14:41.44 | pickcoder | needs to wake up |
| 14:41.47 | themill | !bashfaq |
| 14:41.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bash faq is http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq |
| 14:41.48 | SRabbelier | themill: awesome :) |
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| 14:42.08 | SRabbelier | themill: that fixed my problem, thanks for the help |
| 14:42.13 | themill | no worries |
| 14:42.33 | sladi | I can't find IcedteaJDK1.7 for Debian. Why isn't it there? |
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| 14:42.54 | Jemt | pickcoder: I got that :) |
| 14:43.00 | themill | sladi: why should it be? |
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| 14:44.36 | pickcoder | Jemt: a simple fix would be to have each device connect to a specific machine so you can monitor that one interface for MAC and IP |
| 14:44.43 | pickcoder | preferably one-at-a-time |
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| 14:44.54 | pickcoder | clear |
| 14:44.56 | pickcoder | meh |
| 14:45.28 | sladi | themill: On lockergnomeforums they say Debian should really have it since it's free AFAIK. I could replace sun-java6-jdk. |
| 14:45.55 | Jemt | pickcoder: True, but the computers are fragmentated all over the company, some of them are servers, virtual machines etc. It would take days |
| 14:46.11 | stew | nugent420 |
| 14:46.13 | themill | sladi: indeed it could. And when it actually works, it will. openjdk-6-jdk is already in sid. |
| 14:46.14 | stew | what |
| 14:46.28 | wols | sladi: it's not fully DFSG compliant |
| 14:46.36 | wols | sladi: also, what debian branch do you have |
| 14:46.46 | pickcoder | Jemt: so get started?? :P |
| 14:46.50 | themill | suspects stew is currently off changing is root password |
| 14:46.56 | Jemt | pickcoder: Pff :p Any _other_ suggestions? ;) |
| 14:46.58 | pickcoder | Jemt: I dunno what to tell you |
| 14:47.01 | sladi | wols: I have Lenny |
| 14:47.08 | stew | themill: not quite |
| 14:47.11 | pickcoder | put your nic in promiscuous mode |
| 14:47.12 | Jemt | pickcoder: Fair enough. Appricate the suggestion :) |
| 14:47.13 | themill | heh :) |
| 14:47.26 | Jemt | pickcoder: Oh, I've head about that. I'll look into that |
| 14:47.45 | sladi | wols: I'd install it from sid if needed. |
| 14:47.51 | pickcoder | without a definate traffic pattern to the machine it's really hard to identify something like that |
| 14:47.54 | wols | it's not packaged afaik |
| 14:47.59 | pickcoder | I'd google MAC tracing |
| 14:48.04 | sladi | wols: I see Thanks! :) |
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| 14:48.25 | Ace2016_- | slight problem, the system is slowing down massively when copying files from one encrypted drive to the other (different devices, different encryption methods), can i reduce the priority of the process doing the copying? |
| 14:48.29 | Jemt | pickcoder: Okay, trying that as well. Thanks :) |
| 14:48.44 | Ace2016_- | or is there a scheduler better suited for this kind of work? |
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| 14:49.05 | wols | Ace2016_-: man renice |
| 14:49.36 | wols | Ace2016_-: your copy operation is most likely CPU bound |
| 14:49.42 | dutchfish | rwaite, http://debian.pastebin.com/m362267f7 |
| 14:50.16 | dutchfish | rwaite, http://www.archivum.info/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/2008-06/msg00567.html |
| 14:50.45 | Ace2016_- | i'm watching ksysguard and i don't see the cpu at 100% so i assumed it'd be IO related rather than CPU |
| 14:50.57 | aronofsky | when you got package version on the following form : 1:2.9.2-a29-1 ... can anyone tell me what means the 1: ? |
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| 14:51.49 | dutchfish | rwaite, not much difference i am afraid |
| 14:52.06 | dutchfish | rwaite, except for the dramatic speed improvment |
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| 14:52.27 | dutchfish | rwaite, nothing really i can find on bugzilla |
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| 14:56.38 | pickcoder | Jemt: try pinging the broadcast for the network and check your arp cache for duplicate IPs |
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| 14:56.53 | pickcoder | if they are on separate subnets then you'll have to segment the tracing |
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| 14:57.05 | Jemt | pickcoder: Okay |
| 14:57.13 | pickcoder | (though I dunno how there'd be a conflict in that case) |
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| 14:57.32 | pickcoder | bbl.. meeting |
| 14:57.34 | themill | aronofsky: it's a packaging epoch that's added to the beginning of the version number. It's normally done when the package number needs to go down for some reason. |
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| 14:58.41 | Jemt | Same here - meeting. THanks, pickcoder :) |
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| 15:00.16 | dutchfish | hi, what the preffered way to make a multifile patch (source file)? |
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| 15:01.19 | rnix | hi, how can i determine which port was flooded when scandetd reports a possible port flood in /var/log/messages? |
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| 15:02.03 | dutchfish | rnix, not if you have no ids running of some sort |
| 15:02.56 | aronofsky | themill: any official online docs about that so I can read it ? |
| 15:03.16 | themill | aronofsky: debian policy and/or new maintainers guide will have information. |
| 15:03.29 | themill | dpkg: tell aronofsky about policy |
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| 15:04.07 | themill | dutchfish: you're not getting very far with this one... all I can tell you is that you normally do it in the same way as the maintainer has done it for the package -- e.g. using quilt or dpatch or whatever. Never used those actual tools myself though. mentors might be able to help more if you're thinking of trying to submit these patches to a debian package. /msg dpkg mentors |
| 15:04.09 | blame | Can you anyone suggest relatively easy solution for shaping and controling trafic on a SOHO-like network? |
| 15:04.15 | tyler | hey, anyone know a command to show only the DIFFERENCES in two files (ie not diff, or maybe theres a diff option im not aware of)? |
| 15:04.45 | rnix | /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/24 --dport 25 -j LOG --log-level 4 --log-prefix '** POSSIBLE TROJAN **' seem to do nothing. any idea on this? |
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| 15:04.48 | rnix | dutchfish: thx |
| 15:04.58 | themill | tyler: what do you want to see other than the diff? |
| 15:05.05 | tyler | nothing |
| 15:05.11 | tyler | id like to see the differences printed |
| 15:05.14 | tyler | ie anything similar, i dont want. |
| 15:05.25 | tyler | i copied a large library of music |
| 15:05.33 | tyler | one has a few less items, the new library folder |
| 15:05.35 | rnix | at least i cant find any logs in /var/log |
| 15:05.36 | tyler | so id like to see what the diff is |
| 15:05.44 | NoxIn- | isn't it the default comportement of diff ? |
| 15:05.50 | tyler | i have two files, each with output of ls -al from both lib folders |
| 15:06.18 | Kobaz | http://pastebin.com/m7038082f |
| 15:06.18 | themill | tyler: ahh... perhaps diff -rq /collection1 /collection2 |
| 15:06.20 | \amethyst | tyler: is the problem that diff includes the header lines like 1,2c1? |
| 15:06.25 | Kobaz | i'm having a weird apache problem |
| 15:06.34 | tyler | nah, it gives a shitload of output, \amethyst |
| 15:06.38 | tyler | k lemme try the-dude1 :) |
| 15:06.57 | \amethyst | tyler: what's an example of some output it produces that you don't want to see? |
| 15:06.58 | tyler | themill: that confirms whether they differ :) |
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| 15:07.18 | themill | considers once more adding a highlight on the-dude .... |
| 15:07.19 | tyler | \amethyst: i guess i can upload them, but its just an ls -al of two directories |
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| 15:07.32 | tyler | id like to see what is different between the 2 contents |
| 15:07.40 | tyler | if im making sense :S |
| 15:07.42 | shefqeti | rnix: when you said portflood, you know it's port 25 ? |
| 15:07.43 | dutchfish | themill, thanks, i will try those, the choices are rather overwelming diff is another possibility too and there or more, dpm doesnt go that deep on wich method i should prefer. I will try that channel later on, i have squashed some bugs (12) out of some packages. (this is my first time submitting it) |
| 15:07.52 | Ace2016_- | whats the name of theee file//package that coontrols the layout and colours of the initial bootup sssssssequence? |
| 15:07.59 | themill | tyler: I meant to diff the collections not the directory listings |
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| 15:08.04 | \amethyst | tyler: you are making sense about what you want, but I don't understand what diff is doing that you don't want |
| 15:08.04 | Ace2016_- | argh |
| 15:08.31 | tyler | \amethyst: diff seems to be pasting hundreds of lines, looks like its pasting one directory, having a --- seperator, and the other |
| 15:08.35 | tyler | with >'s <'s |
| 15:08.43 | tyler | which im sure would give me what i want, if i carefully looked at each line |
| 15:08.48 | tyler | but its over 1,000 lines |
| 15:08.53 | \amethyst | tyler: so what's an example line that's the same in both versions? |
| 15:08.58 | Ace2016_- | I want to modify the initrd so that my output on boot looks nicer |
| 15:08.59 | tyler | ive no idea :P |
| 15:09.00 | tyler | theres so many |
| 15:09.02 | themill | tyler: try diffing the directories not the dir listings |
| 15:09.11 | tyler | k |
| 15:09.11 | tyler | 1m |
| 15:09.21 | themill | tyler: diff -rq /collection1/ /collection2/ |
| 15:09.25 | tyler | ajh |
| 15:09.27 | tyler | ah* |
| 15:09.42 | rnix | shefqeti: not at all. 2 cases. one is udp floods from outside the world which scandetd reports. the other thing are compromized win boxes which try to spam from inside a net, so i want to log the attemps of connecting port 25 by this iptables rule |
| 15:09.53 | \amethyst | yeah, that's probably more reasonable |
| 15:09.55 | themill | dutchfish: if you're just submitting patches for bugs, then a simple patch made by diff -U2 is usually sufficient and email that as a patch to the bug report. |
| 15:10.12 | ArmEagle | how do I list all installed packages? |
| 15:10.14 | dutchfish | themill, not dif -Unr ? |
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| 15:10.59 | dutchfish | themill, i tested the rebuilds and they work ok now |
| 15:11.07 | zafy | wols, I tried all that, but it seems that I need a package that can't be installe because : |
| 15:11.26 | zafy | E: Build-Depends dependency for gcj-4.3 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements |
| 15:11.58 | themill | dutchfish: um... never used -n on diff before myself. You need to have a separate diff per thing that you fix, so -r is often not what you want -- usually you have a diff for just one file that is submitted as the patch for that bugfix. |
| 15:11.59 | zafy | I really would appreciate some help on the matter, I"m a debian n00b and I really would like to be able to upgrade to python2.5.2 |
| 15:12.00 | tyler | oooh. |
| 15:12.05 | tyler | it says all "common subdirectories" |
| 15:12.08 | tyler | ie way too much output |
| 15:12.08 | tyler | but |
| 15:12.14 | tyler | i can grep for "only in" :) |
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| 15:12.36 | dutchfish | themill, the problem is my fixes needs to patch more the one file |
| 15:12.39 | rnix | shefqeti: the thing is that this box is nat and mta, so the compromized win boxes i'm not responsible for, but for the mta, and it get listed on rbl's if i don't fix this |
| 15:12.52 | \amethyst | tyler: probably the reason diffing the ls -l outputs didn't work is that metadata like dates or permissions were different |
| 15:12.54 | dutchfish | themill, so i want to construct a multipatch file |
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| 15:13.01 | tyler | \amethyst: thats what i was thinking. |
| 15:13.22 | \amethyst | tyler: which could have been avoided by just using ls -a instead of ls -la |
| 15:13.26 | themill | tyler: if you don't want it to compare the subdirectories then don't use -r |
| 15:13.33 | shefqeti | rnix: i see. So it's the nat hosts that do the spam. you have same machine for gateway and mta |
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| 15:13.39 | tyler | ahh, \amethyst |
| 15:13.44 | dutchfish | themill, or send them in separately? |
| 15:13.45 | rnix | shefqeti: right |
| 15:13.51 | shefqeti | rnix: and the gateway faces the world too |
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| 15:14.00 | themill | dutchfish: you can look at combinediff from patchutils. Or just send them as two attachments to the one email. |
| 15:14.03 | rnix | shefqeti: right |
| 15:14.23 | dutchfish | themill, ok, not 2 but 12, but thats no problem, i will do |
| 15:14.23 | rnix | shefqeti: its the bitch trying to protect a win network from the evil internet :) |
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| 15:14.35 | zafy | anyone ? |
| 15:14.49 | themill | dutchfish: Or use -r as long as you are only making one "feature change" or "bugfix" per diff. |
| 15:14.53 | stew | dutchfish: if you have 2 valid patches in the same format, you can cat them together, afaik |
| 15:15.07 | dutchfish | themill, yes, its just 1 bug related |
| 15:15.13 | themill | ok |
| 15:15.18 | shefqeti | rnix: most probably your internal hosts access the mta via the internal ip so they hit the gw directly not traversing FORWARD. change that rule you have to be INPUT and see whether you have excessive hits |
| 15:15.24 | dutchfish | themill, thank you! |
| 15:15.35 | dutchfish | stew, can i? |
| 15:15.42 | \amethyst | stew: hm, does that work even if one patch depends on a previous one? |
| 15:15.50 | themill | dutchfish: lots of small and understandable things are preferable to one huge monolithic utnubu-style patch. |
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| 15:16.06 | ma3x | how do i launch 2 windows managers running at the same time on the same computer? |
| 15:16.07 | drag0n-irl | I've an interesting Q here. Can you boot a xen vm from cd, and have it install from the cd? |
| 15:16.11 | dutchfish | themill, yes, thats was my question, didnt know it was that simple to make |
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| 15:16.24 | dutchfish | themill, thanks alot! |
| 15:16.24 | stew | dutchfish: i'm pretty sure, yes |
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| 15:16.50 | enouf | ma3x: pretty sure you'd need 2 Xservers, which means 2 monitors |
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| 15:17.03 | stew | \amethyst: you mean multiple patches affecting the same file? i'd think so, but i don't think that is what he is doing anyway |
| 15:17.12 | dutchfish | stew, i was confused, tought it needed some header form, apprently not |
| 15:17.20 | themill | dutchfish: no worries. Glad your question is finally answered! |
| 15:17.27 | ma3x | ok |
| 15:17.28 | dutchfish | themill, :) |
| 15:17.30 | \amethyst | stew: oh, I must have missed context; I thought this was a patch sequence |
| 15:17.38 | ma3x | iceweasel crashes so often |
| 15:17.41 | ma3x | bah it pisses me off |
| 15:17.42 | \amethyst | stew: e.g. where patch 3 changes a line that was added by patch 1 |
| 15:17.59 | enouf | ma3x: i know compiz has some sort of --replace option for swapping WMs |
| 15:18.09 | enouf | or, it's themes, or somecrap |
| 15:18.18 | \amethyst | another way would be to run another session in an Xnest |
| 15:18.21 | zafy | anyone ? I've been trying to backport python2.5.2 to debian etch but the dependencies won't let me, anyone ever done that ? |
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| 15:18.27 | \amethyst | that's still two X servers, but you can do it with one monitor |
| 15:18.40 | \amethyst | if you don't mind one WM being confined to its own window |
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| 15:19.29 | enouf | ma3x: is it important you save session crashes? i mean is your session restored after a crash? you could try other browsers - there are quite a few ;-) |
| 15:19.31 | rnix | shefqeti: i have a rule avoiding this -> /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s 'ip_of_exchange' --dport 25 -j ACCEPT -> and -> /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s xxx.xxx.0.0/24 --dport 25 -j REJECT -> so imo only the exchange should be allowed to connect from the lan to port 25, all the rest should be blocked and logged as i understood this rules. before i configured this rules, i got the possible port flood messages with ip's of the comporomized win boxes |
| 15:19.49 | stew | \amethyst: i'd guess that it "just works" |
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| 15:20.18 | mordy | "/lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/build" - does this mean i need the headers? or something else? |
| 15:20.25 | mordy | *not found |
| 15:20.33 | ma3x | enouf: what other graphical browser do you like? |
| 15:20.33 | rnix | shefqeti: and now i wonder where the logs have been gone (if there ever were such) |
| 15:20.39 | ma3x | with tabs/windows... |
| 15:20.57 | \amethyst | stew: ah, it does works when the patch format has headers |
| 15:21.01 | shefqeti | rnix: logs of what? |
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| 15:21.05 | ArmEagle | hmm.. my mysqld is messed up.. I think I tried to update it, but then it couldn't shut it down for configuration, nor startup.. |
| 15:21.27 | enouf | ma3x: well, i'm not really going to suggest others, since my tastes i'm sure are much diff - maybe try Konqueror even, or opera (though not FOSS) |
| 15:21.49 | rnix | shefqeti: of this rule -> /sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -s xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx/24 --dport 25 -j LOG |
| 15:22.00 | enouf | ma3x: then there's this newer generation, like kazehakaze, midori, h3v or whatever |
| 15:22.08 | rahul | unda ka funda |
| 15:22.14 | shefqeti | rnix: there ever were ? |
| 15:22.48 | rnix | shefqeti: no, not as i recognized. this was my initial question... |
| 15:22.49 | \amethyst | stew: so it works with -u and -c but not normal-format single-file diffs |
| 15:23.04 | enouf | ma3x: personally, i use links2 -g .. for speed mostly - layouts/rendering aren't pretty many times, but i like it |
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| 15:23.19 | ma3x | ok man thanks |
| 15:23.20 | stew | \amethyst: yeah, i just tested with -u and it worked |
| 15:24.02 | enouf | mick_home_: no tabs, and mild javascript support - and some plugins, but really, it's not likelable by most youB00b, Facecrap, MySpace lusers ;-) |
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| 15:24.13 | shefqeti | rnix: you are aplying the rules to FORWARD chain. As far as I can tell, exchange connects to your gw which is the mta that delivers. That means all packets go to INPUT, not FORWARD |
| 15:24.15 | \amethyst | stew: neat |
| 15:24.16 | enouf | sorry mick_home_ , i meant ma3x |
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| 15:25.07 | drwahl | i have a custom color scheme setup for KDE. when i use OpenOffice, it seems to have some usability issues with my color scheme. is there a way to open programs and tell them to use a different color scheme (such as the default one)? |
| 15:25.11 | shefqeti | rnix: unless you have other mta-s that exchange uses which is not your gw |
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| 15:25.17 | dbmoodb | !question |
| 15:25.18 | dpkg | You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>.. See http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=65&Set=64 |
| 15:25.22 | dbmoodb | !moo |
| 15:25.22 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 15:25.23 | rnix | shefqeti: ah ok, thx. and how about the exploits trying to use the gateway directly? |
| 15:25.30 | dbmoodb | thank you dpkg |
| 15:25.38 | rnix | shefqeti: this is then FORWARD, isn't it? |
| 15:25.48 | aronofsky | themill: on the same topic , why some pacakges have etch suffix at the end of version number : 3.1.3-4etch3 |
| 15:25.56 | enouf | mordy: usually means linux-headers-$(uname -r) aren't installed |
| 15:26.03 | mordy | ok |
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| 15:26.18 | shefqeti | rnix: if your exhange uses another mta besides the gw mta, it's these that pass in FORWARD |
| 15:26.36 | rnix | shefqeti: thats not the case |
| 15:26.44 | themill | aronofsky: usually because the package was uploaded directly into etch and didn't follow the normal unstable->testing route. This happens once things start to freeze in preparation for a release and also for security updates. |
| 15:26.57 | shefqeti | rnix: then basically your FORWARD remains idle |
| 15:27.15 | rnix | shefqeti: so same rules to INPUT chain shoul do? |
| 15:27.16 | rnix | ok |
| 15:27.17 | shefqeti | rnix: it's INPUT that receives the packets exchange sends |
| 15:27.21 | enouf | mordy: ls -l /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build should be a symlink to installed /usr/src/linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 15:27.50 | mordy | hehe, i just apt-get and it did the trick |
| 15:27.54 | rnix | shefqeti: i'll try, thank you |
| 15:27.57 | enouf | yep |
| 15:28.03 | themill | aronofsky: You;ll also see ~bpo from backports.org and -volatile from the debian-volatile repository. |
| 15:28.14 | shefqeti | rnix: no mention |
| 15:28.43 | shefqeti | rnix: so try replace FORWARD and put INPUT and see what happens |
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| 15:28.46 | aronofsky | themill: ok , thx a lot |
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| 15:29.06 | webPragmatist | is there a way to just "read" the text in a gz fil |
| 15:29.06 | webPragmatist | e |
| 15:29.10 | webPragmatist | i thought there was a program |
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| 15:29.17 | stew | webPragmatist: zcat / zless |
| 15:29.19 | enouf | webPragmatist: zless for one |
| 15:29.23 | webPragmatist | ok thanks |
| 15:29.25 | stew | webPragmatist: (also zmore, zgrep...) |
| 15:30.32 | mordy | would ndiswrapper work for a gprs modem? |
| 15:30.48 | enouf | (notes one awesome thing he stumbled onto in links2, gzipped text files are easily displayed .. and fast ;-) ) |
| 15:30.56 | aronofsky | themill: one last thing actually , whats the difference between 3.1.3-4etch3 and 3.1.3-4etch2 ... is it the same version ? is it an upgrade ? |
| 15:31.48 | wols | etch3 is newer than etch2 |
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| 15:32.00 | stew | aronofsky: etch3 is a newer debian revision of upstream's 3.1.3. its likely to be a security related fix |
| 15:32.02 | enouf | webPragmatist: if the ones you want are in /usr/share/doc/* and you access them often, you could just recursively gunzip those for easy access from various viewers, etc |
| 15:32.26 | zafy | I've been trying to backport python2.5.2 to debian etch but the dependencies won't let me, anyone ever done that ? I tried the simple backports instruction already but I end up with this message : |
| 15:32.32 | zafy | E: Build-Depends dependency for gcj-4.3 cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements |
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| 15:33.50 | stew | zafy: you'd have to figure out why it needs 4.3, and figure out how to make it only need 4.1, then you'd have to figure out why it needs a new version of dpkg-dev, and revert it to use the dpkg-dev available in stable. you are not going to be able to backport gcc-4.3 or dpkg-dev without a HUGE effort |
| 15:34.01 | stew | zafy: there are features in 2.5.2 that are not in 2.5 that you need? |
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| 15:34.38 | zafy | stew I have some seg fault issues that I am not getting on an other system with 2.5.2 |
| 15:35.09 | stew | zafy: yes, but the other system has tons of other stuff changed besides 2.5.2, (like a newer libc6), right? |
| 15:35.47 | stew | zafy: have you checked the bts, or filed a bug? |
| 15:35.50 | zafy | stew well I suppose it's a ubuntu hardy |
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| 15:36.11 | zafy | stew I've been in contact with that particular mailing list where I was told to try and upgrade python |
| 15:36.29 | zafy | but it' looks like it's more trouble than I'm actually willing to go through |
| 15:36.44 | stew | zafy: you'd essentially have to move to the next (net yet released) version of debian |
| 15:37.48 | zafy | stew, yeah but can't really do that, server's not ours it's rented and if I upgrade we lose client support |
| 15:38.04 | stew | zafy: yeah, you certainly shouldn't do such a thing on a server |
| 15:38.04 | dutchfish | zafy, isnt hunt/fix those bugs in curent version an option? |
| 15:38.32 | bantu | dutchfish: Think I have my problem sorted. |
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| 15:38.40 | stew | zafy: you could install python from source in order to see if 2.5.2 really fixes it. though i'd recommend you install it in your home dir or some such, not somewhere system wide like /usr/local/bin or /usr/bin |
| 15:38.41 | dutchfish | bantu, :) |
| 15:39.01 | stew | zafy: though if you require lots of third party python modules/extensions, that might not be feasible |
| 15:39.37 | zafy | dutchfish, I've been hunting, but it's an apache module that seems to be the problem and the developper asked me if I could upgrade to see what it would change |
| 15:39.40 | bantu | dutchfish: Seems like xen created a new mac if you power on a machine and no mac is set. Taking a mac adress and putting it into the domU config does the dance. |
| 15:39.41 | zafy | man I hate this, |
| 15:40.00 | bantu | dutchfish: I have to thank you, though. Thank you very much. :-) |
| 15:40.08 | dutchfish | bantu, yes, and those are pretty random too |
| 15:40.30 | dutchfish | bantu, you can explicit define them |
| 15:40.36 | bantu | I do now |
| 15:40.47 | bantu | Just took one and defined it. |
| 15:40.54 | stew | zafy: you might also see if 2.5.1 or older 2.5.2 uploads were easier to backport (you could find them on sdh: /msg dpkg sdn) |
| 15:40.55 | dutchfish | :) |
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| 15:41.20 | dutchfish | zafy, wich apache-mod? |
| 15:41.23 | stew | zafy: though, if that ends up being an actual solution, you'd have to take a look at what, if any, security adviories have come out since 2.5 |
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| 15:41.31 | zafy | mod_wsgi |
| 15:41.52 | shingouz | if i setup a passwordless ssh between two systems foo and bar with foo on a static ip and bar on a dynamic, should the passwordless ssh function even after bar changes its ip address? |
| 15:42.01 | stew | zafy: have you checked the bts? |
| 15:42.15 | zafy | stew, bts ? |
| 15:42.19 | shefqeti | bantu: does this has to do with an issue I've had of not being able to assign an ip address to a domU machine in the .sxp file ? |
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| 15:42.20 | stew | !bts |
| 15:42.20 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 15:42.39 | themill | shefqeti: which out of foo and bar is the server and which is the client? |
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| 15:42.49 | zafy | stew, I'm not sure I understand what I have to check in there |
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| 15:43.07 | shingouz | themill: the one with a static address is the server. foo |
| 15:43.11 | stew | shingouz: yes, but if bar is the server, then there will be implications of the bar host key not being in the known_hosts file on foo for that ip address |
| 15:43.16 | shefqeti | themill: the .sxp is the confing file that dom0 calls to start the domU |
| 15:43.30 | themill | shefqeti: err... that wasn't for you. sorry |
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| 15:43.42 | shefqeti | oopps, sorry |
| 15:43.58 | themill | shingouz: you're fine then. The other way around would be more of a problem |
| 15:44.01 | stew | shingouz: if foo is the server, then certainly everything should be seemless |
| 15:44.05 | themill | ywah, what stew said |
| 15:44.12 | stew | wah |
| 15:44.51 | themill | fails at typing today. |
| 15:44.53 | shingouz | that is what i thought too themill , stew. |
| 15:45.23 | ArmEagle | Joy.. I get GPG errors when running apt-get update ... |
| 15:45.32 | ArmEagle | apt-get suggests me to run apt-get update :) |
| 15:45.32 | dutchfish | zafy, is mod_python an option? |
| 15:45.38 | chops | ArmEagle: backports? |
| 15:45.50 | zafy | dutchfish, nope, doesn't do what I want |
| 15:45.55 | stew | ArmEagle: /msg dpkg no public key |
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| 15:46.14 | ArmEagle | what's backports? :P |
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| 15:47.09 | bantu | shefqeti: I don't know. I would say no. udev created a new ethX device after every single restart, because xen assigned a new mac adress on every restart. |
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| 15:48.00 | ArmEagle | hmm, I think my error lies with gpgv : W: GPG error: http://ftp.surfnet.nl etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 15:48.09 | ArmEagle | when I run that it can't find a bunch of files |
| 15:48.18 | chops | ArmEagle: Can you pastebin the entire output of apt-get? |
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| 15:48.23 | shefqeti | bantu: i see |
| 15:48.23 | ArmEagle | sure |
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| 15:50.03 | ArmEagle | http://pastebin.ca/1080850 |
| 15:50.36 | chops | ArmEagle: That is odd |
| 15:50.42 | meeero | i can specify parameters for scripts in /etc/sudoers, e.g. /bin/bash echo [a-z]* ...but what if [a-z]* is optional? with that line sudo *requires* that additional argument, i thought * means "available or not", it's not + alright |
| 15:50.53 | ArmEagle | DOH wat.. |
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| 15:52.47 | ArmEagle | yeah.. my system clock was reset. |
| 15:53.12 | ArmEagle | I had some BIOS issues which required resetting CMOS.. and well, after a few times you start to forget to set the time . |
| 15:53.33 | chops | ArmEagle: ntpdate? |
| 15:53.38 | ArmEagle | sorry for my stupidity :) |
| 15:53.46 | chops | ArmEagle: No worries |
| 15:53.56 | ArmEagle | yeah i should install that. |
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| 16:01.26 | dasorm | um, hi |
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| 16:04.19 | dasorm | jikes package is preconfigured to use gcj .. |
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| 16:04.32 | dasorm | how to get a sun java jikes? |
| 16:05.44 | \amethyst | dasorm: jikes-sun |
| 16:06.22 | \amethyst | oh |
| 16:06.32 | \amethyst | but that doesn't seem to work with the new Sun java packages |
| 16:06.52 | dasorm | yes |
| 16:06.56 | dasorm | package trouble |
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| 16:08.14 | aronofsky | I got a package that is rc flaged, how can i passed it to p flag without reinstall it ? |
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| 16:09.09 | \amethyst | dasorm: oh, there are legal problems |
| 16:09.14 | \amethyst | dasorm: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=377560 |
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| 16:09.57 | pbn | Hi there, still the same problem when I try to start VMware server 1.05 on Debian lenny: http://paste.debian.net/12211/ |
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| 16:13.26 | mordy | "reload the rules into udev and restart it" - what does this mean? or rather, what do i do? |
| 16:14.06 | \amethyst | dasorm: if you understand and can deal with the legal issues, you could take the patch from http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=397642 , apply it to the jikes-contrib source package, and rebuild a new binary package |
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| 16:15.08 | dasorm | \amethyst: um |
| 16:15.18 | \amethyst | dasorm: AIUI you're not allowed to redistribute Sun Java in a way that allows part of it (in this case javac) to be replaced with third-party software |
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| 16:17.16 | dasorm | well, any java distribution can have its parts replaced imo |
| 16:17.30 | dasorm | so all are illegal.. ? |
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| 16:17.57 | StucKman | is it possible to automatically lock an account once the user is loggued out? |
| 16:18.18 | \amethyst | dasorm: It's part of the Sun Operating System Distributor License for Java |
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| 16:18.30 | StucKman | or, is it possible to automatically run a command on user logout that is not .bash_logout? |
| 16:18.52 | dasorm | it sucks |
| 16:18.57 | \amethyst | dasorm: so it might not apply to your use, but it likely does apply to Debian |
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| 16:20.20 | ArmEagle | bah. I guess I shouldn't have updated the kernel... "invalid compressed format (err=1)" |
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| 16:21.36 | dasorm | \amethyst: i can't do this .. too much |
| 16:22.06 | dasorm | work, that is |
| 16:22.14 | abrotman | you could ask #java |
| 16:22.41 | abrotman | eh .. ##java |
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| 16:22.48 | dasorm | i asked them before i cam here |
| 16:22.55 | dasorm | s/cam/came |
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| 16:23.35 | dasorm | they mostly don't use debian because of these issues |
| 16:24.18 | dasorm | but hey, i don't want to reinstall my os yet, so i thought maybe i pop in here and ask stuff |
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| 16:24.56 | ArmEagle | good thing I made a backup of my HD.. |
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| 16:26.19 | nkuttler | ArmEagle: don't you still have the old, working kernel? |
| 16:26.41 | ArmEagle | no. the upgrade seemed to have upgraded the same kernel version. |
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| 16:27.05 | ArmEagle | i'll just won't do that again :) |
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| 16:28.12 | n3kl | How can I troubleshoot why a given ssh key is not accepted for authentication? |
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| 16:31.05 | dutchfish | n3kl, are both systems up too date? |
| 16:31.10 | n3kl | dutchfish: yes |
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| 16:31.26 | n3kl | I tought it might have to do with the blacklisted keys, but I no longer think that is the case |
| 16:31.33 | sladi | In order to create a deb-package, I don't have to install the program first? Can I make a package out of drivers? They compile and install fine. |
| 16:31.51 | dutchfish | n3kl, http://www.debian.org/security/key-rollover/#openssh |
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| 16:33.27 | dutchfish | sladi, usre, http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 16:33.33 | dutchfish | s/usre/sure |
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| 16:34.19 | sladi | dutchfish: OK, thanks! |
| 16:35.27 | sophacles | hi all, when a .deb is being installed, what is the order of ops? specifically, does it run preinst, then untar the data.tar.gz, or untar data,then run preinst? |
| 16:35.52 | n3kl | dutchfish: thanks for the link. I have tested all the keys and none of them are blacklisted |
| 16:36.03 | dutchfish | sophacles, that can all be true and even more, its solely depends on the package |
| 16:36.28 | dutchfish | n3kl, no firewall got into your way nor proxy? |
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| 16:37.25 | n3kl | dutchfish: no, the problem is that I am being prompted for a password when the .ssh/id_rsa.pub is in the authorized_keys file of the remote host. |
| 16:37.47 | sophacles | dutchfish, ive been reading the debian policy, and im not sure how to determine the order, or make sure it acts one way or the other.... im using dh_make to setup the package... |
| 16:37.48 | dutchfish | n3kl, and the key is made "without" password? |
| 16:38.07 | n3kl | dutchfish: right |
| 16:38.28 | dutchfish | n3kl, try examining logs like auth |
| 16:38.37 | dcordes | Hi. I have a debootstrap'D lenny on an x86 machine. I only bootstrapped the essentials, and installed the package gnome on device. Now everything seems installed but when I run the gdm startscript, I cannot select Gnome in gdm, just gnome failsave which doesn't work. Any clue? |
| 16:39.38 | dutchfish | sophacles, the 5.12 postinst.ex, preinst.ex, postrm.ex, prerm.ex explains that somehow |
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| 16:40.15 | dutchfish | sophacles, most of it is pretty obvious when you really understand the whole |
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| 16:41.30 | dutchfish | sophacles, i believe dh_make is deprecated |
| 16:41.41 | n3kl | dutchfish: nevermind, I figured out the problem. It is a xen machine domU trying to log into dom0, and for some reason xen adds a host record for 127.0.1.1 for dom0. Thanks for the help |
| 16:41.53 | sladi | Is it possible to make a package out of a driver (X-Fi soundcard open source)? |
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| 16:42.14 | cjg | hi, how can I get my Sound Blaster Audigy working |
| 16:42.17 | dutchfish | n3kl, also look at iptables in dom-0 too |
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| 16:42.35 | sladi | I guess yes ^^ |
| 16:42.39 | DawnLight | sladi: packaging is a learnt skill |
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| 16:43.14 | dcordes | ...also I tried to reinstall gnome-session but no joy. what is the way to get this working? |
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| 16:44.21 | sladi | DawnLight: I'll try it just for me. I installed the driver before. |
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| 16:45.28 | cjg | theres something wrong with my system really weird, when I startx it freezes, also, If I just let my system idle without touching it for some time it freezes also |
| 16:45.34 | cjg | what could that be? ram? |
| 16:45.47 | NoxIn- | temperature ? |
| 16:45.48 | stew | cjg: could be ram, it could be overheating |
| 16:45.55 | cjg | hmm |
| 16:46.01 | docmax | hello |
| 16:46.02 | cjg | it was working fine a few days ago |
| 16:46.29 | docmax | how can i wun a wine game from the bash with one single command? i mean also creating a new X session... wine game.exe |X for example doesnt work |
| 16:46.38 | docmax | wun=run |
| 16:46.40 | dutchfish | cjg, did you run memchk? |
| 16:46.45 | cjg | nope |
| 16:47.23 | cjg | how do I run that dutchfish ? |
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| 16:47.54 | dutchfish | cjg, apt-get install memtest86+ and reboot choose that in grub |
| 16:49.04 | cjg | thanms |
| 16:49.06 | cjg | thnx |
| 16:49.19 | dutchfish | cjg, it need some time to complete ;) |
| 16:49.39 | ArmEagle | eww, so far for the backup.. dd: writing to `/dev/sda': Input/output error |
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| 16:51.01 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, what exactly did you ran? |
| 16:51.18 | ArmEagle | gzip -dc usbdd.gzip | dd of=/dev/sda |
| 16:52.09 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, and /dev/sda is there right partition, not /dev/sda0 or 1 by accident? |
| 16:52.41 | ArmEagle | pretty sure about that.. wouldn't I else be skipping the MBR? |
| 16:53.00 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, and wasnt it mounted right? |
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| 16:53.05 | ArmEagle | nope |
| 16:53.29 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, this error comes instantly? |
| 16:53.36 | ArmEagle | no, i think it failed near the end |
| 16:53.49 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, does it hold enough space? |
| 16:54.12 | ArmEagle | well, I used dd to make that image, from that usbstick. |
| 16:54.16 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, the target disk i meant |
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| 16:54.35 | ArmEagle | so, yes. target is the same as what the image was made from. |
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| 16:54.54 | britsun | How can I configure pam modules on a per user basis? |
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| 16:55.49 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, its made with the same dd right? |
| 16:56.01 | ArmEagle | aye |
| 16:56.35 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, can ou look inside the gzip and see if it holds the same size as the free space on your stick? |
| 16:56.49 | Nofear-Tn | hi all , any one knows a pkg for qos with gui? traffic shaping for a debian server |
| 16:56.53 | ArmEagle | http://pastebin.ca/1080929 |
| 16:57.06 | ArmEagle | (output from dd) |
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| 16:57.34 | ArmEagle | And I can mount the usb stick just fine (after I took it out and plugged it in again). |
| 16:57.44 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, looks like a broken byte on the stick, just 1 byte dif |
| 16:57.49 | ArmEagle | aye |
| 16:58.08 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, i am baffled, no idea |
| 16:58.14 | ArmEagle | :) thanks though |
| 16:58.56 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, you caould repartition the stick again and see what it brings, but i gues you tried that already |
| 16:59.06 | mordy | "reload the rules into udev and restart it" - what does this mean? or rather, what do i do? |
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| 16:59.46 | ArmEagle | dutchfish i don't think repartitioning is of much use if I made an image of the whole thing |
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| 17:00.26 | cchanc1 | How do i remove a folder that has info in it? Iv tryed rmdir -r folder |
| 17:00.47 | ArmEagle | cchanc1 rm -rf folder |
| 17:01.10 | cchanc1 | Yay that did it |
| 17:01.14 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, its either the image is 1 byte to big or the part on the stick is one byte less |
| 17:01.17 | cchanc1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.24 | cchanc1 | whats the f var? |
| 17:01.27 | maligor | fast |
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| 17:01.29 | ArmEagle | force |
| 17:01.34 | maligor | rm -rf = read mail real fast :P |
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| 17:01.40 | ArmEagle | hah |
| 17:01.41 | cchanc1 | lol |
| 17:01.43 | cjg | hi, how can I get my Sound Blaster Audigy working? |
| 17:01.48 | maligor | ancient definition |
| 17:01.50 | cjg | what do I need to install? |
| 17:02.11 | maligor | cjg, should work on any reasonably new version of debian, more or less automagically |
| 17:02.26 | cchanc1 | Ok now another question i have is what would be the better of the ftp servers |
| 17:02.36 | cchanc1 | perferable one that has a gui interace |
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| 17:02.48 | cjg | Linux osiris 2.4.27-2-386 #1 Mon May 16 16:47:51 JST 2005 i586 GNU/Linux |
| 17:02.49 | cjg | :p |
| 17:02.56 | cjg | do I need to upgrade my kernel? |
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| 17:03.14 | mordy | hmm... sorry for butting into the conversation, but is someone having trouble adding stuff to a USB stick after burning an image to it? |
| 17:03.19 | newsense | i would |
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| 17:04.35 | ArmEagle | mordy no, well.. I'm having trouble putting back the image I made of the usb stick. |
| 17:04.36 | dutchfish | mordy, yes ArmEagle is having problems reading back an image to the stick, it fails on exactly the last byte |
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| 17:05.04 | ArmEagle | dutchfish .. that is, assuming it just doesn't stop reading the input from gzip when it fails writing |
| 17:05.07 | cjg | hmm |
| 17:05.16 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, yes |
| 17:05.56 | mordy | ArmEagle - chances are that the image is too large for the stick, especially if you formatted or did something else with the stick. write the stick elsewhere and just move the files from there |
| 17:06.09 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, did you try unzipping it first (if you have enough space) and then dd if=/file of=/dev/sda ? |
| 17:06.16 | cchanc1 | noob questiong but since i havent used terminal in a long time who do i do gz tar files |
| 17:06.22 | mordy | IIRC, fomatting eats some sectors, but i don't know if that applies to flash media as well |
| 17:06.23 | maligor | cjg,well.. that is fairly old |
| 17:06.43 | maligor | cjg, what debian are you running? sarge with 2.4? |
| 17:06.47 | ArmEagle | mordy yeah.. but then i'm missing MBR stuff, i think. I'm using the stick as sole storage device in asystem |
| 17:07.05 | dcordes | How can I restore the GDM session entries? I have gnome installed, but see now session entry although all packages are installed. |
| 17:07.15 | maligor | cjg, even in the 2.4 series, 27 is old.. :P |
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| 17:07.37 | mordy | ArmEagle - does the disk already have an MBR? |
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| 17:07.56 | ArmEagle | aye |
| 17:08.05 | ArmEagle | yeah guess I'll just write over all files.. |
| 17:08.09 | maligor | cjg, but that's actually besides the point a bit, the driver for audigy is pretty old by now, I'm not entirely sure at what point they added the audigies tho |
| 17:08.24 | cjg | the old release, so sarge I think |
| 17:08.28 | mordy | maybe remove that. could be that the MBR is taking up too much space and dd won't recognize it as being data on the device |
| 17:08.39 | cjg | but this is only a AMD K6 500mhz, 256mb ram |
| 17:08.42 | cjg | pretty shit |
| 17:08.43 | mordy | what does fdisk -l tell you? |
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| 17:09.26 | ArmEagle | http://pastebin.ca/1080946 |
| 17:09.53 | maligor | cjg, faster than a arm box I have here running debian lenny |
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| 17:11.20 | cjg | crazy |
| 17:11.20 | cjg | whats an "arm" box? |
| 17:11.20 | mordy | ArmEagle - you're writing to /dev/sda and *not* /dev/sda1 - right? |
| 17:11.20 | ArmEagle | aye |
| 17:11.24 | maligor | cjg, a computer with a arm4 processor |
| 17:11.36 | cjg | ah |
| 17:11.41 | cjg | I like RISC |
| 17:11.46 | mordy | ArmEagle - same thing happens when you remove the partition? |
| 17:11.47 | cjg | it's a shame it didn't take off so big |
| 17:11.52 | ArmEagle | maybe the USBstick just borked for a moment.. |
| 17:11.59 | billiejoex | Hi, I'm searching for the source code of the ftp client command line utility included in all Linux distributions. Does someone have any idea of where I can get it? |
| 17:12.00 | cjg | reduced instruction set |
| 17:12.09 | cchanc1 | does anyone know if proftpdadmin requires a mysql database or something? |
| 17:12.11 | maligor | cjg, oh I wouldn't say that |
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| 17:12.23 | maligor | ARM processors are big in the embedded segment |
| 17:12.23 | cjg | it was big for apple |
| 17:12.31 | cjg | I loved my G3 iBook |
| 17:12.33 | mordy | ArmEagle, i don't know - i don't think flash media can just 'lose' sectors |
| 17:12.39 | cjg | shame I dropped it :~( |
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| 17:12.47 | chops | !tell billiejoex about source |
| 17:12.55 | mordy | There |
| 17:12.55 | cjg | whats the idea of ARM? |
| 17:12.57 | maligor | and there are some cool products coming like http://www.openpandora.org/ and http://beagleboard.org/ |
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| 17:13.02 | cjg | is it like for multi-tasking? |
| 17:13.05 | maligor | it's just a processor |
| 17:13.11 | cjg | server applications and such? |
| 17:13.12 | mordy | 's no head or anything like that - things you'd have on 'physical' media |
| 17:13.32 | maligor | no, low power |
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| 17:13.39 | cjg | ah |
| 17:13.51 | maligor | my cellphone has a dual arm9 |
| 17:13.57 | cjg | so in theory low heat too? |
| 17:14.15 | maligor | heh, this is starting to get way off topic |
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| 17:14.22 | ArmEagle | ah here in /var/log/messages Jul 23 18:47:06 localhost kernel: usb 4-1: control timeout on ep0out |
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| 17:14.27 | cjg | heh |
| 17:14.28 | ArmEagle | and some SCSI and I/O errors |
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| 17:15.13 | maligor | cjg, you can try loading emu10k1 module (which is the oss driver) |
| 17:15.35 | cjg | whats the difference between alsa and oss?: |
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| 17:15.42 | maligor | cjg, 2.4.27 might've used the old alsa module naming if it even had alsa, so I can't remember, the new is snd-emu10k1 |
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| 17:16.04 | maligor | oss is dumb and simple, alsa is overengineered and complex looking :P |
| 17:16.31 | mordy | ArmEagle, i don't think you should be getting timeouts on a flashdisk - perhaps something is wrong with the image - but i'm stumped. maybe somethign eating up your USB bandwidth or power as well |
| 17:16.51 | ArmEagle | i'll try to run this dd for windows.. |
| 17:17.02 | mordy | otherwise your disk looks like a nice shiny 2GB flashdisk |
| 17:17.23 | maligor | on a abstract level alsa is pretty nice since it makes all the software layers for audio work in userspace, but the api's are poorly documented and complex |
| 17:17.23 | ArmEagle | btw.. if the ouput of dd is a basic device (as /dev/sda), it should just overwrite all of it, doesn't it? |
| 17:17.43 | mordy | ArmEagle - yes |
| 17:17.44 | ArmEagle | and else, how do I completely clear it? |
| 17:17.59 | mordy | there isn't a way to "clear" it - you can zero it though |
| 17:18.01 | ArmEagle | like the MBR bit mentioned bofore |
| 17:18.04 | mordy | at least no way i know of |
| 17:18.07 | dutchfish | mumbles googling on DD doesnt fit anymore gives nice rsults but not the one i was looking for ;) |
| 17:18.12 | stew | ArmEagle: or until it runs out of input |
| 17:18.26 | cjg | is there a way to make mp3's play out of all 5 of my speakers and not just the front 2? |
| 17:18.31 | stew | ArmEagle: "completely clear it" meaning, completely wipe out a device? |
| 17:18.33 | mordy | ArmEagle, maybe delete that partition |
| 17:18.38 | cjg | in XP there was an option in the Creative mixer |
| 17:18.56 | mordy | ArmEagle fdisk /dev/sda, then d then 1 |
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| 17:19.42 | mordy | but i don't see how that would do anything. dd isn't supposed to take anything on the disk into consideration - |
| 17:20.43 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, did you try unzipping it first (if you have enough space) and then dd if=/file of=/dev/sda ? |
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| 17:21.48 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, i suspect some result code form gunzip is getting in your way |
| 17:21.57 | sladi | cjg: There should be a way using alsa. |
| 17:21.59 | DawnLight | does this look ok?: |
| 17:21.59 | DawnLight | d-i preseed/late_command string in-target "/bin/bash -c 'cd /root/ && wget -q http://ahava/d-i/etch/late_command.sh && chmod 755 late_command.sh && ./late_command.sh' >> /var/log/syslog" |
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| 17:22.31 | DawnLight | i don't get the '/" thing yet |
| 17:22.44 | ArmEagle | dutchfish hmm maybe.. |
| 17:22.50 | rwaite | what about it, DawnLight? |
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| 17:23.15 | DawnLight | rwaite: is it syntactically correct? |
| 17:23.42 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, or use -q option along |
| 17:23.48 | rwaite | i don't know |
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| 17:24.10 | DawnLight | rwaite: i'm talking about the use of the ' and " things |
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| 17:24.27 | tzanger | good afternoon... I"m trying to install mtd-tools, which has a zlib dep, but zlib won't install until I upgrade dpkg, but I can't seem to upgrade it... is there something magical I'm missing? |
| 17:24.49 | dutchfish | ArmEagle, gunzip puts out 0 on succes, thats also exactly 1 byte |
| 17:24.50 | chops | tzanger: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 17:25.30 | tzanger | chops: 4.0 (etch?) |
| 17:26.18 | stew | tzanger: show us the output of "apt-cache policy zlib dpkg" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:27.35 | stew | tzanger: you must be trying to mix stable (aka 4.0 aka etch) with some newer version of debian, which we'd advise against |
| 17:27.49 | sladi_ | cjg: you edit .asoundrc AFAIK |
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| 17:28.27 | tzanger | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1080964 |
| 17:28.40 | tzanger | stew: I'm not aware of doing so; I am very much a fan of not mixing things around :-) |
| 17:29.16 | mordy | is a fan that blows hot air |
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| 17:30.08 | chops | tzanger: What's the full output of the command where you try to install mtd-tools? Also, can you pastebin your sources.list? Thanks. |
| 17:30.08 | DawnLight | mordy: yo |
| 17:30.10 | stew | tzanger: how about "apt-cache policy mtd-tools" |
| 17:30.22 | mordy | DawnLight: oy |
| 17:30.44 | DawnLight | a punk sort of oy? |
| 17:30.56 | tzanger | stew: same style as the other two, nothing out of the ordinary (not installed, candidate 20061007-1 with only one version with the same URL as the others) |
| 17:31.14 | tzanger | it says it can't calcultate epoch, so it can't install zlib1g, so please upgrade dpkg |
| 17:31.37 | mordy | DawnLight, a whiney sort of oy |
| 17:31.48 | tzanger | "dpkg not recorded as installed, cannot check for epoch support" |
| 17:31.55 | tzanger | now why in the hell is ti saying dpkg is not installed?? |
| 17:31.56 | eth01 | http://www.uksolutions.co.uk/webcammovie/video.cgi?resolution=320x240&dummy=1216834245180 |
| 17:31.57 | eth01 | heh |
| 17:32.00 | DawnLight | what happened? |
| 17:32.20 | chops | tzanger: apt-cache policy also says that dpkg is not installed |
| 17:32.25 | chops | tzanger: How did you install this system? |
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| 17:32.50 | tzanger | hmm I installed it, and now mtd-utils installs just fine |
| 17:32.53 | mordy | DawnLight, bezeq did some "Maintenance" here for 12 hours yesterday and i tried to get my orange gprs usb stick working, but it wouldn't go |
| 17:32.54 | tzanger | chops: debian cd, nothing fancy |
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| 17:32.59 | mordy | not even on windoze |
| 17:33.32 | chops | tzanger: What is "it" that you installed, and how did you install it? |
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| 17:34.29 | chops | tzanger: Also, you should use ftp.<cc>.debian.org, where <cc> is your country code, not ftp.debian.org directly |
| 17:34.58 | DawnLight | mordy: that suckoxz. what does bezeq have to do with gprs? |
| 17:35.21 | tzanger | yeah the .ca mirrors seem to be permafucked |
| 17:35.23 | mordy | DawnLight, i have a GPRS account as well, i'm trying to get this working with linux now |
| 17:35.31 | tzanger | I have been using the .us ones |
| 17:35.37 | tzanger | but I guess this systme didn't get updated |
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| 17:35.42 | trinux | eth01: where is your gentoo cloak today? :P |
| 17:35.55 | tzanger | thanks for your help, chops and stew, much appreciated :-) |
| 17:36.09 | mordy | german servers are what i use |
| 17:36.53 | dutchfish | trinux, the one with the bulletwholes used as a raincoat? ;) |
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| 17:37.19 | trinux | dutchfish: debian users dont need a raincoat right? :) |
| 17:37.25 | trinux | the sun is always shining for us |
| 17:37.29 | mordy | how do i reload udev rules? |
| 17:37.49 | mordy | must be somewhere up north then |
| 17:38.31 | cchanc1 | guys whats a Proftpd GID? |
| 17:38.58 | abrotman | GID ? GUI ? |
| 17:39.02 | xingu | mordy: udevadm control --reload_rules at a guess |
| 17:39.04 | cchanc1 | no gid |
| 17:39.05 | dutchfish | group id? |
| 17:39.06 | trinux | cchanc1: a group ID within proftpd? |
| 17:39.14 | cchanc1 | yeah |
| 17:39.20 | cchanc1 | the gui administrator |
| 17:39.38 | abrotman | uh .. vi ? |
| 17:39.45 | dutchfish | says hi to xingu |
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| 17:40.12 | cchanc1 | it keeps spitting Bad GID, please try again. when i give it one |
| 17:40.22 | cchanc1 | ive tryed root, clint, and admin |
| 17:40.27 | cchanc1 | anything else i should try> |
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| 17:41.11 | becker_11 | hi I want to install etch booting usb key then d'load from i-net can someone point me @ a good step by step guide |
| 17:41.12 | xingu | hi's dutchfish |
| 17:41.15 | mordy | xingu - no udevadm - but i tried udevcontrol --reloadrules - and other things like that - but "no such command" |
| 17:41.15 | hifi | which package contains "dig" |
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| 17:42.10 | cchanc1 | whats a gid in debian |
| 17:42.16 | mordy | ahh.. this works minime:/etc# udevcontrol reload_rules |
| 17:43.00 | dutchfish | becker_11, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianLive/Howto/USB |
| 17:43.13 | valdyn | !gid |
| 17:43.14 | mordy | now how do i restart udev? |
| 17:43.48 | becker_11 | thx dutchfish |
| 17:44.07 | cchanc1 | debhelper gid |
| 17:44.27 | cchanc1 | @gif |
| 17:44.29 | cchanc1 | @gid |
| 17:44.32 | valdyn | cchanc1: gid is just a group |
| 17:44.44 | cchanc1 | well whats one on debian |
| 17:44.51 | valdyn | chops: 100 |
| 17:44.53 | cchanc1 | ftpd is wanting one |
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| 17:45.53 | cchanc1 | is the GID all capital? |
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| 17:46.44 | valdyn | cchanc1: no |
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| 17:47.53 | cchanc1 | wtf |
| 17:47.56 | cchanc1 | its number? |
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| 17:48.11 | [major] | hi, I have simplymepis in usb flash, plz can anybody explain to me how to save changes or install other programs? |
| 17:48.11 | ArmEagle | hmm.. there's surely something broken around that usbstick.. |
| 17:48.15 | xci | do you guys know how to log in to a specific tty, such as /dev/ttyS3 |
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| 17:48.24 | avu | [major], this is #debian |
| 17:48.26 | ArmEagle | I tried dd from the ungzipped file. And it stops at different progress. |
| 17:48.32 | stew | [major]: please go to #mepis for help with mepis |
| 17:48.32 | avu | [major], you're in the wrong channel |
| 17:48.54 | cchanc1 | wow |
| 17:48.58 | cchanc1 | you guys jumped him |
| 17:49.01 | [major] | i know but i think it is similar isnt? |
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| 17:49.05 | dutchfish | [major], in general you need to mount a cow device, but i dont know anything about mepis |
| 17:49.33 | valdyn | cchanc1: a gid is a numerical value which has a group name mapped to it, or just the group name |
| 17:50.00 | ArmEagle | hence why I wanted to try some windows dd tool. But have no clue how to tell it to use the usb stick |
| 17:50.01 | avu | [major], it may be, that doesn't mean that there are differences |
| 17:50.13 | avu | [major], and people in here know debian, not mepis |
| 17:50.29 | cchanc1 | valdyn, that was goodinfomation but too late :D |
| 17:52.00 | mordy | gah, kppp won't work - is there anything else i can use? |
| 17:52.05 | ArmEagle | hmm might have a fix.. |
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| 17:52.53 | cchanc1 | how od i restart protpd |
| 17:52.56 | stew | xci: ttyS3 is typically a serial port, are you connected to the computer via a serial port? |
| 17:53.37 | xci | stew: no, but that one is a non-typical monitor |
| 17:53.47 | cjg | terminal |
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| 17:53.59 | xci | well terminal yes |
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| 17:54.11 | xci | but I have an external monitor |
| 17:54.23 | xci | which has this /dev/ttyS3 attached to it |
| 17:54.24 | stew | xci: and the terminal is connected via a serial connection? |
| 17:54.34 | xci | stew: yes |
| 17:54.34 | ArmEagle | ok.. i REALLY hope that the following fixed it (though any chance it won't work till a reboot, or should it have a direct impact?) modprobe -r ehci_hcd |
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| 17:54.38 | cjg | xci: It's a terminal |
| 17:54.44 | stew | xci: you'd need to run getty on the port, have a look at /etc/inittab |
| 17:55.02 | dutchfish | !mingetty |
| 17:55.26 | dutchfish | dpkg is dead? |
| 17:55.28 | dpkg | dutchfish: wish i knew |
| 17:55.32 | dutchfish | not |
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| 17:55.57 | stew | "mingetty is not suitable for serial lines" |
| 17:56.16 | dutchfish | right, saw that (too late) |
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| 17:56.38 | ArmEagle | it's still going strong now.. I'm keeping my fingers crossed! |
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| 17:57.07 | cchanc1 | anyone know where the cvs of rapid cp is |
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| 17:57.21 | liable | google would |
| 17:57.47 | ArmEagle | sniff shouldn't have said that.. |
| 17:57.54 | cchanc1 | no it wouldent |
| 17:57.58 | cchanc1 | and it didnt |
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| 17:59.28 | ArmEagle | so, should "modprobe -r ehci_hcd" have an immediate effect, or only after a reboot? |
| 17:59.42 | liable | immediate |
| 17:59.50 | ArmEagle | ok, shame :) |
| 17:59.59 | simonrvn | !reboot |
| 17:59.59 | dpkg | You want to reboot for WHAT?? If it's not a new kernel or a hardware change, you probably don't need to reboot. Ask me about <qotd2>. |
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| 18:00.08 | ArmEagle | hehe |
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| 18:00.27 | mmu_man | anyone using xvnc4viewer ? |
| 18:00.34 | Cyorxamp | I use it, why |
| 18:00.41 | mmu_man | I get errors using it with qemu as vnc source |
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| 18:00.57 | Cyorxamp | no idea on that sorry - never used qemu |
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| 18:01.16 | mmu_man | it works with raw and ZRLE encodings, but hextile seems to get random 'unknown message NN' or rect too big |
| 18:01.26 | mmu_man | Cyorxamp do you use it with hextile ? |
| 18:01.37 | mmu_man | it's likely a bug in qemu's hextile vnc code |
| 18:01.55 | RoyalKnight | what's the difference between ALL=PASSWD:ALL and ALL=(ALL) PASSWD:ALL in sudoers-file? |
| 18:02.13 | xci | now I managed to get text on the other monitor (I ran 'getty -L ttyS3 9600 vt100') but not it does not direct the input to that terminal :< |
| 18:02.17 | stew | ArmEagle: if you want to prevent that module from loading at boot, you can blacklist it: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 18:02.24 | ozzloy | how do i set the date? date 07231102 isn't working |
| 18:02.38 | ozzloy | ozzloy# date 07231100 |
| 18:02.38 | ozzloy | Wed Jul 23 11:00:00 PDT 2008 |
| 18:02.38 | ozzloy | ozzloy# date |
| 18:02.38 | ozzloy | Wed Jul 23 11:16:51 PDT 2008 |
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| 18:03.59 | dutchfish | !date |
| 18:04.00 | dpkg | The current date is 2008.07.23 18:03:59 (UTC of course, this is *NIX) |
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| 18:04.20 | liable | !set the time |
| 18:04.21 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 18:04.35 | Kobaz | http://pastebin.com/m7038082f i'm having some odd apache problems, clients always get 0 byte files if i have a file symlinked over to a cifs mount |
| 18:05.07 | cchanc1 | Anyone got a walkthrough for installing VHCS |
| 18:05.57 | ArmEagle | stew yeah i read that.. Someone suggested removing that to prevent these errors.. control timeout on ep0out |
| 18:06.09 | n3kl | I am trying to upgrade my cpan installation and I keep getting "make had returned bad status, install seems impossible" I figured that make was not installed, so I installed build-essential and I am still getting the same error. What could be the problem? |
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| 18:06.16 | dutchfish | Kobaz, you need FollowSymLinks in apaches setup |
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| 18:07.29 | dutchfish | Kobaz, or Alias /symlink /Volume/Users/username/symlink in apaches setup as an alternative |
| 18:07.30 | ozzloy | liable: thanks |
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| 18:11.48 | sladi_ | Should I create a directory and put the source.tgz and the extracted source into it in order to create a package according to the maintainer's guide? |
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| 18:12.55 | sladi_ | I'm unsure wethere I need to unpack the source, be in the source directory AND have the source.tgz one directory above? |
| 18:14.24 | liable | yes |
| 18:14.32 | sladi_ | liable: thanks :) |
| 18:15.21 | liable | np |
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| 18:15.30 | ozzloy | http://paste.debian.net/12655/ still having date problems. i can't use ntp because the skew is too far off |
| 18:15.54 | liable | ozzloy: did you try date --set ? |
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| 18:16.18 | ozzloy | liable: yes, that's what the link shows |
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| 18:16.37 | liable | i didnt look :P |
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| 18:17.38 | ozzloy | heh |
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| 18:19.12 | sladi_ | Would a sound card driver for alsa be a single binary? There is a module used when installed. |
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| 18:20.22 | n3kl | sladi_: twould be a module |
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| 18:20.48 | sladi_ | n3kl: Ok, thank you. |
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| 18:21.29 | frego | Hello, there is a package i would like to download which should be out since today. It's not (yet?) on ftp.debian.org. Is there a special mirror where I can find it? (it's openvpn package) |
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| 18:21.48 | n3kl | frego: magic version? |
| 18:21.58 | frego | n3kl: what is that? |
| 18:22.02 | n3kl | frego: what is special about this version ? |
| 18:22.13 | frego | n3kl: pkcs11 re-enabled |
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| 18:22.31 | n3kl | ozzloy: your post does not make snes. Your date is set ot what you set it to |
| 18:22.48 | Jabop | can anyone point me to a good guide on virtual users+exim+dovecot |
| 18:22.55 | n3kl | frego: dunno. You could always compile it yourself. Debian takes a bit for it to show up in the repos |
| 18:22.56 | abrotman | !tell frego about inout |
| 18:23.09 | Jabop | err, guide on setting up a mailserver with virtual users, exim, and dovecot. :P |
| 18:23.28 | frego | abrotman: ty |
| 18:23.39 | abrotman | frego: i don't see it in incoming.d.o either |
| 18:23.53 | abrotman | oh ... wrong package |
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| 18:23.59 | frego | abrotman: I see it it's ~rc8 |
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| 18:24.11 | justin | frego: should be out? says who? |
| 18:24.12 | abrotman | frego: fair warning .. those packages may blow stuff up .. use at your own risk |
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| 18:24.30 | webPragmatist | is there an online tool or linux command to lookup dns records (a,mx,etc) for a specific domain? |
| 18:24.43 | abrotman | webPragmatist: dig |
| 18:24.46 | Jabop | webPragmatist: dig |
| 18:24.47 | dp_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.51 | webPragmatist | thanks |
| 18:25.25 | frego | justin: on debian dev ml |
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| 18:25.36 | justin | webPragmatist: http://www.google.com/search?q=linux+command+to+lookup+dns+records+%28a%2Cmx%2Cetc%29+for+a+specific+domain |
| 18:28.23 | eth01 | justin: that's a rather stupid query |
| 18:28.36 | abrotman | so give him a better one |
| 18:28.36 | eth01 | infact, i think that's the worst i've *ever* seen |
| 18:28.46 | justin | eth01: yet 'dig' is the first 2 results |
| 18:28.48 | eth01 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=linux+dns+lookups&btnG=Search |
| 18:28.51 | eth01 | :-) |
| 18:28.56 | abrotman | either work just as well |
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| 18:29.16 | eth01 | yes, except that one ^ doesn't contain stupid commas |
| 18:29.20 | eth01 | er, brackets, even |
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| 18:29.28 | abrotman | oh well .. he got his answer multiple ways |
| 18:29.44 | justin | my point was that pasting the exact question into google found the right info |
| 18:29.53 | eth01 | yeah? |
| 18:30.23 | helo | dpkg: etch lenny dual boot? |
| 18:30.24 | dpkg | no idea, helo |
| 18:30.41 | eth01 | !dualboot |
| 18:30.41 | dpkg | you have two hard drives... only some rich bastard would have more then one hard drive |
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| 18:33.09 | ozzloy | n3kl: look at the minutes |
| 18:33.31 | ozzloy | n3kl: it's about 15 minutes off |
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| 18:34.02 | ozzloy | i ran those commands within a few seconds |
| 18:34.21 | n3kl | ozzloy: got some form of ntp running? |
| 18:34.29 | ozzloy | n3kl: yes |
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| 18:34.52 | n3kl | ozzloy: think that might be causing it? |
| 18:34.53 | xingu | ozzloy: ntpd(8): -g |
| 18:35.05 | ozzloy | it turns out it's because i'm on a virtual machine |
| 18:35.13 | ozzloy | the underlying machine must be off |
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| 18:35.30 | n3kl | Anyone know if I have a torrent tracker and a seed on the same subnet what ip should be reported to the tracker, internal or external? |
| 18:35.47 | n3kl | ozzloy: xen or vmware? |
| 18:36.02 | ozzloy | n3kl: xen. i just found a solution |
| 18:36.10 | ozzloy | it appears to be working at the moment |
| 18:36.30 | n3kl | ozzloy: you shouldn't need to set the time on a xen vm as long as you are not using the hypervisor |
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| 18:40.24 | ozzloy | n3kl: i don't know the setup |
| 18:40.35 | ozzloy | n3kl: but the fix appears to be working |
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| 18:40.39 | dustybin | what RAID configuration would suit 6x 1TB disks? I like the idea of 1 of my disks goes down, i can replace it and it will rebuild. |
| 18:40.54 | n3kl | ozzloy: cool |
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| 18:41.08 | n3kl | dustybin: I would got raid6 |
| 18:41.35 | dustybin | n3kl: ok thanks |
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| 18:42.21 | dustybin | n3kl: could i save a drive if i use RAID5 ? |
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| 18:43.18 | n3kl | dustybin: yeah, but what happens if you loose a disk in the middle of a raid5 rebuild? You're toast, and you are getting up there in terms of how many disks you have, so *I* would go raid6, but is up to you |
| 18:43.53 | dustybin | hmm ok |
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| 18:44.02 | n3kl | dustybin: do some research |
| 18:44.19 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:44.27 | justin | can get one more drive and do raid 10.. you'd only get 3TB instead of 6 though |
| 18:44.30 | HappyHater | no files/folders appear on my Desktop, I can see the in Places > Desktop, yet they don't appear and I can't drag anything onto the Desktop |
| 18:44.33 | justin | but it would be fast:) |
| 18:44.46 | justin | HappyHater: nautilus isn't configured to draw the desktop |
| 18:45.04 | HappyHater | yeah I got an error about nautilus when I first started |
| 18:45.16 | n3kl | justin: would depend if that was hardware or software raid I think |
| 18:45.48 | justin | n3kl: for 6 disks I'd figure hardware no? not many buses can keep up with 6 drives, can they? |
| 18:46.32 | n3kl | justin: I would think that you might saturate the bus to do a raid10 and you might not get the performance if it was software raid |
| 18:46.54 | justin | HappyHater: run gconf-editor and look in /apps/nautilius/prefernces, theres a show_desktop option |
| 18:46.59 | DVA-5912 | !raid |
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| 18:46.59 | dpkg | i heard raid is Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks. See RAID{0-5}, <Software Raid>, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_RAID_levels, <raid-resizing> |
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| 18:49.03 | HappyHater | justin, show_desktop is already checked |
| 18:49.14 | justin | HappyHater: maybe kill nautilus and restart it? |
| 18:49.20 | justin | HappyHater: or try just unchecking and checking it? |
| 18:50.03 | path__ | http://debian.pastebin.com/m2b3aa7c7 |
| 18:50.08 | path__ | anybody can help me ? |
| 18:50.10 | path__ | seems a bug |
| 18:50.17 | HappyHater | yeah, the restart worked, thanks justin |
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| 18:55.05 | helo | will etch's grub always be able to boot lenny/testing if i have a dual install? |
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| 18:57.48 | stew | helo: it would always be able to boot lenny (if you stick with stock kernels at least). there certainly could be some time in the future where it is not able to boot testing |
| 18:57.50 | helo | i suppose that is a dumb question... i should install etch's grub to the primary master with an option to boot into lenny, just in case lenny's grub gets tempermental |
| 18:58.17 | stew | helo: just like woody was able to boot sarge when it was testing, but wouldn't be able to boot testing now |
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| 18:59.07 | DVA-5912 | Anyone know a way of removing all programs and starting over? |
| 18:59.18 | stew | DVA-5912: why do you want to do that? |
| 18:59.19 | abrotman | why? |
| 18:59.30 | DVA-5912 | beacuse ive got too many mesups |
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| 18:59.34 | DVA-5912 | programs overlappting |
| 18:59.46 | stew | DVA-5912: what do you mean by "overlappting"? |
| 19:00.01 | DVA-5912 | like version 5 over 4 |
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| 19:00.40 | stew | DVA-5912: i don't know what that means. but it sounds like what you want to do is to just run the installer again |
| 19:00.54 | stew | DVA-5912: backup all data that you want to save, and boot off a debian install cd |
| 19:01.26 | DVA-5912 | ehh ok.. will do |
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| 19:02.55 | DVA-5912 | this is going to be a pain in the butt |
| 19:03.03 | elozzo | DVA-5912: or maybe you just want to perform a system upgrade |
| 19:03.03 | abrotman | finish the dist-upgrade ? |
| 19:03.26 | abrotman | stew: have you tried the etchnhalf kernel yet? |
| 19:05.08 | slidesinger_lt | I just booted 2.6.25-2-686 and it told me to install the 586 kernel instead. I have checked, no linux-image 586 packages. Does anyone know what is going on here? |
| 19:05.27 | stew | abrotman: i have no real motivation to |
| 19:05.36 | stew | DVA-5912: can you be more specific about how things are broken now? |
| 19:05.42 | stew | DVA-5912: or how they got that way? |
| 19:05.48 | abrotman | slidesinger_lt: what's your CPU ? |
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| 19:06.02 | slidesinger_lt | Crusoe |
| 19:06.19 | abrotman | slidesinger_lt: there's -486 and -686 |
| 19:06.29 | abrotman | if it's telling you to install a -586, sounds like a bug |
| 19:07.25 | slidesinger_lt | That's what I thought. I'll report it. |
| 19:08.54 | stew | there were -586 kernels years ago, with woody? or potato? |
| 19:10.26 | pickcoder | woody |
| 19:10.28 | DawnLight | how do i get to the 'single user mode' without restarting? |
| 19:10.33 | pickcoder | sarge didn't have 586 IIRC |
| 19:10.38 | DawnLight | i mean rebooting |
| 19:10.40 | valdyn | DawnLight: run "init 1" |
| 19:10.42 | slidesinger_lt | Yup, and there were K6 and K7 kernels also. Seem to be a lot of bugs showing up in the merge. Noe of the recent Kernels run on my laptop. |
| 19:10.51 | pickcoder | !info kernel-image-586 oldstable |
| 19:10.51 | DawnLight | thanks valdyn |
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| 19:11.27 | pickcoder | !info linux-image-586 oldstable |
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| 19:11.56 | pickcoder | nope.. or my package name matching is wrong |
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| 19:13.38 | stew | pickcoder: they were named kernel-image not linux-image then |
| 19:13.50 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: crusoe is a weird case, there should be a kernel build for it; bug it. |
| 19:14.15 | slidesinger_lt | xingu: Already on it. |
| 19:14.17 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: or do what I do, and build one yourself (you can't honestly be still using crusoe as a build host surely!) |
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| 19:15.13 | nascentmind | hi |
| 19:15.18 | slidesinger_lt | No, my lightweight for troubleshooting networks. |
| 19:15.38 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: picturebook, or fujitsu? |
| 19:15.54 | slidesinger_lt | FUjitsu |
| 19:16.01 | slidesinger_lt | p2040 |
| 19:16.01 | nascentmind | I did a dist-upgrade and it upgraded my kernel but for some reason it says "waiting for root filesystem" and hangs or times out. is there any solution for this? |
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| 19:16.10 | xingu | slidesinger_lt: I've got a c1ve (tm5600) ;) |
| 19:16.35 | wald0 | i can't umount a partition because aparently is "busy", how i can know WHAT mades it busy in order to clean it ? |
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| 19:17.52 | xingu | wald0: fuser -mu /mountpunt |
| 19:18.27 | nascentmind | can anybody help me? |
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| 19:19.37 | slidesinger_lt | xingu: tm5800 |
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| 19:23.01 | nascentmind | anybody know whether its a kernel bug? |
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| 19:24.23 | pickcoder | stew: I tried both.. |
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| 19:25.01 | xingu | nascentmind: sounds like you're missing an initrd; does dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-whatever build it? |
| 19:25.22 | nascentmind | xingu, yes |
| 19:26.20 | xingu | nascentmind: and does your bootloader's point the kernel at the initrd image? |
| 19:26.47 | dustybin | 3ware v areca, what RAID controller works best in linux / debian? |
| 19:26.49 | nascentmind | xingu, and for some reason a package called system-tools-backends fails |
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| 19:28.14 | nascentmind | yes it says initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| 19:28.29 | pickcoder | dustybin: depends on the model |
| 19:28.30 | nascentmind | and yes its there in /boot |
| 19:28.37 | pickcoder | though the Arecas have performed well for me |
| 19:28.47 | pickcoder | the 9500 series 3wares are nice too |
| 19:29.18 | xingu | nascentmind: perhaps you've been bitten by a hda->sda device change |
| 19:29.49 | dustybin | pickcoder: aye ok |
| 19:29.59 | xingu | nascentmind: is /etc/fstab all in terms of /dev/hdaX ? |
| 19:30.34 | dustybin | pickcoder: are there any other brands worth considering? |
| 19:30.36 | nascentmind | xingu, yes its hda |
| 19:30.51 | nascentmind | xingu, should i try booting with sda? |
| 19:30.54 | pickcoder | dustybin: for what usage? |
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| 19:31.24 | dustybin | pickcoder: home usuage, i want to setup 6x 1TB disks for HD recordings / mythtv, in either RAID5 or RAID6 |
| 19:31.25 | nascentmind | xingu, i am not sure whether i have sata drive though... shouldn't it be for sata drives only? |
| 19:31.36 | xingu | nascentmind: try booting with "... root=/dev/sdaX ro single" command line opts rather than your existing "...=/dev/hdaX" |
| 19:31.43 | karsten | dustybin: has 3Ware entered the SATA age yet? |
| 19:31.46 | pickcoder | still prefers 10 over 5 |
| 19:32.05 | xingu | nascentmind: ide subsystem is deprecated; libata uses scsi midlayer hence uses sdX devices. |
| 19:32.05 | dustybin | karsten: i havent a clue |
| 19:32.09 | pickcoder | karsten: yeah, but the slot types are shrinking |
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| 19:32.19 | pickcoder | mostly PCIE now |
| 19:32.26 | pickcoder | if you want PCI-X you gotta go SAS |
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| 19:32.45 | xingu | nascentmind: if that boots/ mounts root, try manually mounting the remaining mounts as the corresponding /dev/sd.. - if this succeeds, then rewrite fstab. |
| 19:32.50 | dustybin | karsten: http://www.3ware.com/products/serial_ata2-9650.asp |
| 19:33.03 | karsten | dustybin: I mostly go SW RAID these days, if I even bother. |
| 19:33.13 | xingu | nascentmind: nb, take a copy, and get comfortable with rescue-cd based rescue environments, first. |
| 19:33.17 | nascentmind | xingu, and why isn't this being done automatically? |
| 19:33.18 | xingu | nascentmind: you may just need it. |
| 19:33.23 | karsten | dustybin: Backups + LVM seems to be a bit more sane. RAID 10 or RAID 6 if you absolutely must |
| 19:33.23 | dustybin | karsten: no CPU overhead with hardware |
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| 19:33.33 | xingu | nascentmind: bts it, this is ancient history for me |
| 19:33.44 | karsten | dustybin: Incremental enhancements and codefixes with SW. |
| 19:33.44 | dustybin | karsten: right ok |
| 19:33.46 | nascentmind | xingu, why rescue cd? i can just change that in grub right? |
| 19:34.08 | nascentmind | xingu, I have 5 kernels showing in menu.lst anyways.. :) |
| 19:34.09 | pickcoder | I have an Areca in a backup server at my house |
| 19:34.18 | xingu | nascentmind: once you've changed fstab you go past the point of (easy) return; it's a better idea to know how to _revert_ that before doing it. |
| 19:34.19 | pickcoder | 4-port I think with a 1TB RAID |
| 19:35.04 | pickcoder | ARC-1210 |
| 19:35.08 | geggam | why would anyone need to store that much video at home ? |
| 19:35.18 | nascentmind | xingu, yeah.. use the rescue cd.. mount the drive and and revert back the fstab right? |
| 19:35.25 | xingu | nascentmind: precisely. |
| 19:35.39 | geggam | watch a movie and be done with it |
| 19:35.40 | nascentmind | xingu, now to find the old rescue cd :) |
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| 19:36.22 | nascentmind | xingu, lemme try see ya |
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| 19:39.31 | xingu | dustybin: if I was building storage _today_ I'd use a marvell pcie x4 multiport esata controller and enough lacie d2's to get the job done ;) |
| 19:39.55 | ArmEagle | well, at least this dd for windows is still running. But just maybe i should have set some more parameters.. it's still writing.. |
| 19:40.05 | ArmEagle | (blocksize or so) |
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| 19:41.59 | xingu | dustybin: if I absolutely had to inflict hw raid on myself I'd take a look at their s2s enclosures |
| 19:42.55 | newsense | how can i check to see if composite is enabled in x ? |
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| 19:43.09 | valdyn | newsense: you mean if its available? |
| 19:43.15 | newsense | yeah sorry |
| 19:43.18 | valdyn | newsense: you would see it being enabled |
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| 19:43.34 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 19:43.49 | SamuraiDio | do someone else there use the MySQL Query Browser? |
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| 19:44.43 | pickcoder | no |
| 19:44.43 | valdyn | newsense: i dont think you really are looking for composite |
| 19:44.50 | valdyn | newsense: are you trying to run compiz? |
| 19:44.55 | newsense | yeah |
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| 19:45.03 | newsense | was gonna try it out |
| 19:45.08 | valdyn | newsense: glxinfo | grep -i texture_from_pixmap |
| 19:45.26 | pickcoder | xingu: who's s2s encs? |
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| 19:46.22 | newsense | thanks valdyn |
| 19:46.38 | valdyn | xingu: something like: Adaptec Serial ATA II RAID 1430SA (rev 02) ? or is there something better? |
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| 19:47.16 | xingu | pickcoder: lacie, again. |
| 19:47.33 | dustybin | xingu: what you use a esata controller and software raid? |
| 19:47.46 | xingu | pickcoder: no brand affiliation, but they have 3gbps sata2 stuff in the retail channel here now today. |
| 19:48.23 | xingu | dustybin: well, I'd be in the fortunate position of having preplanned and having an ich9r or ich10 at my disposal for what intel laughably call hardware raid, yes :) |
| 19:49.11 | valdyn | xingu: im not happy with any of these, but maybe it really isnt the controllers that are slowing me |
| 19:49.35 | xingu | valdyn: what's your test case? |
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| 19:50.07 | valdyn | xingu: raid1/raid10, ich9r / marvell pcie4x sata chipset |
| 19:50.09 | newsense | it seems as though apt installs unnecessary dependencies compared to aapitude is that true ? |
| 19:50.23 | valdyn | xingu: and just streaming data |
| 19:50.36 | valdyn | xingu: certainly not raid unfriendly workloads |
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| 19:51.06 | JyZyXEL | why is there a "dhcpd.leases" and a "dhcpd.leases~" |
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| 19:51.45 | xingu | valdyn: what sort of storage topology do you have? single disk per port? and if so what sort of disk? |
| 19:52.00 | kenjy | guys I need to install a lot of debian systems, Im giving a look to FAI http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ do you habe a better tool for this? |
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| 19:53.03 | spx2 | kenjy: make an install on one machine,put partimaged on it and install the others from the network from a live debian cd which includes partimage |
| 19:53.08 | valdyn | xingu: 2 disk raid1 or 4 disk raid10, bunch of ST3500320NS ( seagate 500GB ) |
| 19:53.42 | xingu | valdyn: the lacie s2s ships with a si3124 controller |
| 19:53.51 | spx2 | kenjy: that would work only if all systems have the same hardware |
| 19:54.25 | kenjy | spx2: the printers and the video cards, changes ... |
| 19:54.43 | valdyn | xingu: i'd need only the controller card |
| 19:54.55 | xingu | valdyn: the raid bit happens at the peripheral end with s2s... |
| 19:55.27 | xingu | valdyn: and really, it's more likely to be either kernel tuning or your disks than the controller I feel; what's making you unhappy? |
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| 19:55.47 | spx2 | kenjy: well,then use FAI |
| 19:55.51 | kenjy | what about a modified netinstall cd who use apt-cacher? |
| 19:56.06 | valdyn | xingu: 400MB/sec raw disk DIRECTIO, 150mb/sec maximum with pagecache on |
| 19:56.11 | valdyn | xingu: thats huge |
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| 19:56.29 | valdyn | xingu: no idea if i have to expect that |
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| 19:59.07 | xingu | valdyn: shouldn't be, something sounds broken; are you _just_ using dmraid ? |
| 19:59.14 | giwe | Which group is recommended for uboot questions? |
| 19:59.15 | valdyn | xingu: md raid |
| 19:59.18 | kenjy | spx2: another way to do the task? |
| 19:59.30 | xingu | valdyn: that sounds like your problem right there then ;) |
| 19:59.47 | xingu | valdyn: don't think that md raid is zerocopy yet |
| 19:59.54 | valdyn | xingu: probably, as i dont see additional penalty when benchmarking the lvm stuff on top |
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| 20:00.51 | xingu | valdyn: ... have fun playing; you should have relatively little overhead block->dmraid->transport->disk |
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| 20:01.07 | xingu | valdyn: compared with block->transport->disk that is |
| 20:01.40 | xingu | vanishes |
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| 20:03.47 | nascentmind | xingu, k so far so good |
| 20:03.50 | sladi | I an get error for dpkg-buildpackage: No rule to make target `distclean'. The program does only need ./configure, make, make install. |
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| 20:04.08 | nascentmind | xingu, how do i get rid of that dirty boot splash image? |
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| 20:05.44 | nascentmind | at some point i doesn't show the boot status.. and simply shows a blinking cursor.. and then i get kde |
| 20:07.24 | sladi | Is it a problem when I do dpkg-buildpackag as root? |
| 20:07.48 | valdyn | sladi: why would you run it as root? |
| 20:07.52 | abrotman | fakeroot ? |
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| 20:09.15 | sladi | valdyn: fakeroot gave a permission error for creating a log in /var/log |
| 20:09.45 | valdyn | sladi: geez, dpkg-buildpackage should never ever touch /var/log/ |
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| 20:09.55 | valdyn | sladi: you are trying to compile a broken package |
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| 20:10.08 | levander | Has anyone seen a good tutorial for incremental backups using tar? All I've found is chicken scratch using Google. |
| 20:10.18 | sladi | valdyn: The installer would creat one, I know. |
| 20:10.22 | valdyn | levander: dont, use a suite that does it |
| 20:10.31 | valdyn | levander: dirvish, among others |
| 20:10.52 | levander | valdyn: YOu mean stuff like amanda or bacula. |
| 20:10.58 | levander | ? |
| 20:10.58 | valdyn | levander: or not dirvish nm,, that doesnt do tar |
| 20:11.02 | valdyn | levander: or something smaller |
| 20:11.08 | sladi | valdyn: So install logs are bad in /var/log ? |
| 20:11.21 | valdyn | sladi: hell yes |
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| 20:11.39 | valdyn | sladi: no build should ever touch /var/log/ |
| 20:11.49 | sladi | valdyn: Ok thanks. ^^ |
| 20:12.44 | valdyn | levander: backup-manager for instance |
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| 20:13.48 | marcello | exit |
| 20:14.02 | levander | valdyn: Meh, I was kind of looking forward to doing it low level. But, I just 'apt-cache show' on backup=manager. It's worth considering. |
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| 20:15.07 | nascentmind | how do i get rid of bootsplash image? |
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| 20:16.39 | [Jasper] | hej guys, I'm having a problem...I can't get grub installed.... grub-install failed |
| 20:16.46 | [Jasper] | with raid5 |
| 20:17.32 | [Jasper] | the partition table is as follows: 3 partitions for raid5 configured as ext3 and 3 partitions for raid0 configured as swap |
| 20:18.10 | valdyn | [Jasper]: you cant boot from a grub that is installed on a raid5 |
| 20:18.30 | valdyn | [Jasper]: your /boot cant be on raid5 either |
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| 20:20.29 | abrotman | what? |
| 20:20.38 | abrotman | sw raid or hwraid ? |
| 20:21.20 | abrotman | you can put grub on the hwraid 5 and it boots |
| 20:22.28 | nascentmind | how do i get rid of bootsplash image in debian? |
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| 20:23.10 | wols | nascentmind: what debian version is this? debian has no bootsplash unless you explicitiy installed it |
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| 20:25.01 | nascentmind | wols, 4.0 |
| 20:25.03 | dustybin | once you have created a RAID configuration with either software or hardware, can you further partition it with fdisk? |
| 20:25.05 | deever | hmm...which packages does generate /etc/network/interfaces, netbase or ifupdown? |
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| 20:25.23 | wols | nascentmind: etch has no bootsplash |
| 20:25.29 | wols | deever: none |
| 20:25.35 | stew | deever: none, its generated by the installer |
| 20:25.49 | nascentmind | wols, k i did a dist-upgrade and i get a dirty pink bootsplash |
| 20:26.10 | deever | m-hm... |
| 20:26.10 | wols | nascentmind: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:27.09 | nascentmind | wols, 2.7-10 |
| 20:27.17 | wols | nascentmind: you run lenny |
| 20:27.45 | wols | and I don't know any debian that has a bootsplash unless the user installs it |
| 20:28.02 | abrotman | does he have grub or grub2 ? |
| 20:28.31 | nascentmind | abrotman, grub |
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| 20:29.53 | trinux | abrotman: software RAID5 does not work because the LVM parts are not loaded yet to boot time? |
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| 20:30.07 | deever | do netbase/ifupdown exist also for other distros/platforms? i find them quite handy...;) |
| 20:30.08 | oliver_g_ | hi |
| 20:30.12 | abrotman | tries to see how swraid5 and lvm are related |
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| 20:30.22 | trinux | damn |
| 20:30.33 | oliver_g_ | I have an Etch server (VPS) where the /var/log/syslog file is missing |
| 20:30.35 | trinux | i thought you build a software RAID with LVM |
| 20:30.49 | abrotman | you can .. you don't have to |
| 20:30.58 | oliver_g_ | and /var/log/messages is empty |
| 20:30.59 | trinux | whats the other way? |
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| 20:31.20 | nascentmind | wols, how can i remove the image? |
| 20:31.27 | abrotman | you can build a raid volume without using lvm |
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| 20:31.34 | abrotman | !swraid |
| 20:31.35 | dpkg | i guess software raid is commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html, also see http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html, or see section 6.3.2.2 of the <ig> |
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| 20:31.55 | abrotman | doesn't see how a winmodem is related .. but whatever |
| 20:32.08 | trinux | why-software-raid.html is something i wanted to read since a long time |
| 20:32.31 | abrotman | fixes the factoid |
| 20:32.31 | SpeedyG | abrotman: maybe because of the 'special' part |
| 20:32.57 | abrotman | yeah .. but if it's hwraid .. not like a winmodem |
| 20:33.20 | trinux | maybe they mean the hardware raid controllers that are actually doing software raid |
| 20:33.35 | trinux | like winmodems are no real modem |
| 20:33.46 | abrotman | right .. not the same |
| 20:33.55 | pickcoder | *gasp* |
| 20:34.03 | pickcoder | winmodems aren't real? |
| 20:34.06 | trinux | no :P |
| 20:34.17 | deever | !foobar |
| 20:34.18 | dpkg | i guess foobar is a term very generally used name for absolutely anything, esp. programs, files, functions, and such. See foo and bar. It has a complex relation to another term called "fubar." For more info, see "mantra.". FTP Operation Over Big Address Records RFC163. Also read the Etymology of "Foo", RFC3092. |
| 20:34.20 | trinux | the software does stuff the hardware is supposed to do |
| 20:34.26 | deever | lol |
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| 20:34.49 | trinux | dpkg: check my mantra |
| 20:34.49 | dpkg | trinux: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 20:35.00 | geggam | but even on the hardware raid software is telling the hardware what to do so all u are getting is extra computing power... if u arent running high loads hardware raid is overkill |
| 20:35.13 | deever | only another try...sorry...;) |
| 20:35.15 | pickcoder | geggam: and battery backup on the cache |
| 20:35.15 | deever | !deever |
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| 20:35.20 | pickcoder | if you paid for it |
| 20:35.28 | deever | ... |
| 20:35.31 | geggam | battery backup on the server should be mandatory |
| 20:35.38 | geggam | so here again |
| 20:35.44 | pickcoder | so should HW controllers |
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| 20:35.53 | pickcoder | battery on them.. I mean |
| 20:36.43 | oliver_g_ | anyone has an idea why there could be no log messages in /var/log/messages ? |
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| 20:36.59 | geggam | logs been rotated |
| 20:37.06 | geggam | check the other end |
| 20:37.38 | oliver_g_ | message.1.gz was created today at 06:28 |
| 20:37.52 | oliver_g_ | (or, was last modified then) |
| 20:38.09 | oliver_g_ | and the new messages file was created at same time, and is empty |
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| 20:38.15 | geggam | smile... |
| 20:38.19 | geggam | there are no problems |
| 20:38.24 | geggam | go back to sleep |
| 20:38.29 | oliver_g_ | no :-( |
| 20:39.00 | oliver_g_ | in messages.1.gz there are lots of useless messages, like this |
| 20:39.01 | oliver_g_ | Jul 23 06:25:27 lvps87-230-26-25 su[23943]: (pam_unix) session closed for user n |
| 20:39.01 | oliver_g_ | obody |
| 20:39.08 | deever | do netbase/ifupdown exist also for other distros/platforms? i find them quite handy...;) |
| 20:39.15 | trinux | jeff garzik seems to be a skilled hacker |
| 20:39.30 | trinux | worth a bookmark |
| 20:39.37 | oliver_g_ | I suppose that message is from some cron job... why doesn't it appear in the new log file? |
| 20:40.46 | Szaln | hello, can anyone tell me if there is any lenny net-inst cd? or should i go for the etch standard cd? |
| 20:40.58 | nascentmind | whenever system-tools-backends tries to start it fails.. how can i fix this? |
| 20:41.32 | geggam | by reading the error messages and fixing the issue nascentmind |
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| 20:42.07 | nascentmind | geggam, well invoke-rc.d: initscript system-tools-backends, action "start" failed. does not seem to tell much |
| 20:42.43 | keith4 | check syslog? |
| 20:43.09 | oliver_g_ | gaaaahhhh |
| 20:43.32 | oliver_g_ | the syslogd on my server logs into the deleted messages.1 file! |
| 20:43.39 | oliver_g_ | how can this happen? |
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| 20:44.46 | nascentmind | keith4, yes |
| 20:44.51 | nascentmind | keith4, nothing in it. |
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| 20:45.40 | sladi | I get a [build-arch-stamp] Error 2 now when doing 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot'. |
| 20:45.41 | keith4 | nascentmind: go look at /etc/init.d/system-tools-backends and start doing what the script does, see where it fails? |
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| 20:46.50 | sladi | I haven't edited that part of the rules file. |
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| 20:47.59 | mplex | I would like to clone a debian system to another system so I can rebuild my primary system, are there any recommended OSS imaging/ghost tools that someone could recommend? I don't want to modify the OS in any way |
| 20:48.51 | mplex | I've found some things but there's a lot of so-so things out there, Im really looking for a recommendation |
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| 20:49.50 | Glock7 | anyone have an (or know which one is) an debain eee installer (with both network cards configured) that doesn't install over the internet (minimum install) |
| 20:50.47 | stew | Glock7: check http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC |
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| 20:51.17 | Glock7 | stew thanks, however they have the network install only (or at least thats all i can tell) |
| 20:51.24 | Glock7 | stew - ill check again |
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| 20:51.36 | stew | Glock7: ask #debian-eeepc on irc.debian.org |
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| 20:51.57 | Glock7 | thank you |
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| 20:52.08 | stew | Glock7: wait, do you mean they only have a "netinst"? |
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| 20:52.23 | stew | heh, he probably doesn't realize that a netinst doesn't require the network to do an install |
| 20:52.38 | lymeca | Everytime I reboot my Etch server, I need to do some stupid commands to recreate /dev/fuse (mknode or something) and change permissions to it. I can't use SSHFS until I do so. |
| 20:52.39 | lymeca | fusermount: failed to open /dev/fuse: No such file or directory |
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| 20:53.29 | Dusk_ | hi there...there's a debian installer exe to install debian rgiht? |
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| 20:53.55 | pickcoder | stew: I thought the base system was downloaded |
| 20:54.11 | sladi | Is an arch-stamp-error there because I need to edit the default rules file for creating a deb package? |
| 20:54.18 | stew | pickcoder: no, that's the businesscard, a netinst cd contains base |
| 20:54.31 | pickcoder | Dusk_: I think it's goodbyemicrosoft.com or something |
| 20:54.44 | pickcoder | stew: oh yeah.. |
| 20:54.49 | Dusk_ | pickcoder: what's its version do you know?? |
| 20:54.58 | pickcoder | no |
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| 20:55.56 | cchanc1 | is ther a package called php5-mysql5.0 |
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| 20:56.07 | cchanc1 | ifnot how do i get php5 to communicate |
| 20:56.15 | tehsu | which package is for tcl lib |
| 20:56.26 | tehsu | i installed tcllib still cant install eggdrop |
| 20:56.31 | pickcoder | looks like that domain is gone |
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| 20:57.11 | Dusk_ | does anyon know the which packages do win32-loader debian have?? |
| 20:57.32 | mephux_ | anyone in here able to help with a nessus debian question |
| 20:57.39 | valdyn | !ask |
| 20:57.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:57.46 | cchanc1 | how can this bee |
| 20:57.54 | cchanc1 | i have a site that is php intensive |
| 20:57.55 | mephux_ | was that really worth it? !asshole |
| 20:57.56 | cchanc1 | it opens |
| 20:57.57 | mephux_ | anyways |
| 20:58.07 | cchanc1 | but i dont have php installed. it said php 4 not installed |
| 20:58.12 | mephux_ | i get an error installing nessus with debian netinstall [13150] Could not realloc() a pointer of size 3457 ! |
| 20:58.12 | cchanc1 | and tis installing php5 now |
| 20:58.15 | pickcoder | Dusk_: I imagine that Etch is the default |
| 20:58.28 | pickcoder | you can upgrade to lenny if you want after you boot Debian |
| 20:58.44 | valdyn | mephux_: i doubt calling anyone in here names will speed up you getting help |
| 20:58.46 | Dusk_ | pickcoder: lenny or sid is unstable? |
| 20:58.57 | Dusk_ | i want testing not unstable |
| 20:59.00 | mephux_ | valdyn: fuck your mom. |
| 20:59.03 | pickcoder | it's goodbye-microsoft.com |
| 20:59.18 | pickcoder | sid is unstable |
| 20:59.22 | pickcoder | lenny is currently testing |
| 20:59.26 | ArmEagle | I hate it when an OS is trying to be smart :) |
| 20:59.28 | Dusk_ | pickcoder: ok thanks |
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| 21:00.59 | ArmEagle | I disable a HD in the BIOS and debian installer still sees it.. |
| 21:01.18 | valdyn | ArmEagle: your bios doesnt do what you think it does |
| 21:01.26 | ArmEagle | yeah :) |
| 21:01.36 | valdyn | ArmEagle: the OS isnt being smart, its being dumb |
| 21:01.48 | valdyn | ArmEagle: its just querying the disk controller as its supposed to |
| 21:01.53 | avu | ArmEagle, linux doesn't use the BIOS to figure out what HDs there are |
| 21:02.03 | avu | unlike windows, for example |
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| 21:02.45 | ArmEagle | yeah, next time i'll unplug the HD. |
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| 21:03.00 | oliver_g_ | does anyone have an idea why syslogd would continue logging into a deleted messages file? |
| 21:03.12 | valdyn | oliver_g_: thats how unix works |
| 21:03.19 | valdyn | oliver_g_: the file is not yet deleted |
| 21:03.24 | oliver_g_ | valdyn: yes I know :-) |
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| 21:03.30 | oliver_g_ | I could look into the file |
| 21:03.34 | valdyn | oliver_g_: it will be gone as soon as the last file handle is released |
| 21:03.47 | oliver_g_ | "less /proc/1960/fd/4" has helped |
| 21:04.03 | oliver_g_ | but I want syslog to log into the new /var/log/messages file instead |
| 21:04.13 | valdyn | oliver_g_: so restart syslog |
| 21:04.14 | avu | oliver_g_, then restart it |
| 21:04.27 | oliver_g_ | right, but tomorrow the problem will be back, no? |
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| 21:04.46 | avu | have a look at logrotate.. |
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| 21:05.06 | avu | it does that sort of stuff for you and takes care on restarting the daemons too |
| 21:05.12 | oliver_g_ | oh |
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| 21:05.27 | oliver_g_ | it should do the restarting? that's interesting! |
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| 21:10.26 | tehsu | anyone know the package for the tcl so i can install eggdrop |
| 21:10.33 | ArmEagle | hada phonecall.. The point is, that I was installing to my USBstick, and that the installer saw the HD, and then things messed up related to grub. |
| 21:10.45 | ArmEagle | Anyway, going to reboot and redo it with HD unplugged.. |
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| 21:11.22 | pipegeek | hi, folks. |
| 21:11.45 | pipegeek | I've got a problem with kernel 2.6.25 and my sata controller... |
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| 21:12.37 | pipegeek | running etch, using linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64 from etch-backports |
| 21:12.58 | SamuraiDio | i can't find java connectors for postgreSQL |
| 21:13.07 | SamuraiDio | whats the package name? |
| 21:13.17 | pipegeek | and the card is a Marvell 88SE61xx.... on boot, It's timing out repeatedly with "failed to IDENTIFY err_mask = 0x4" |
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| 21:13.53 | pipegeek | the problem is new with 2.6.25; going back to 2.6.23 fixes it. Anyone else seen anything like this? |
| 21:14.00 | anticw | so... i'm sitting here hoping to see some comments on when/if there is an imminent freeze ... certainly some people think there is one any time now ... but i can't find anything concrete on this |
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| 21:15.08 | sladi | Can I fix an arch-stamp-error by editing the default rules file for creating a deb package? |
| 21:15.13 | Dusk__ | does this version is testing or stable?? ftp://debian.comu.edu.tr/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 21:15.21 | Dusk__ | it says current |
| 21:15.50 | sladi | Dusk__: its stable 4.0 |
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| 21:16.12 | Dusk__ | i want testing with net install isn't it possible? |
| 21:16.27 | mistern0th1ng | Dusk_: Current-stable, see http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
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| 21:16.54 | Dusk__ | there are many isos..do i need to download 'em all |
| 21:17.08 | Dusk__ | 21CDs |
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| 21:17.58 | pickcoder | !install |
| 21:17.58 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
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| 21:18.25 | nascentmind | does anybody get crackling sound while playing music? |
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| 21:20.34 | oliver_g_ | say... |
| 21:20.53 | sladi | I get an arch-stamp-error when trying to make a package. Checkinstall fails too. Can someone help please? |
| 21:21.05 | oliver_g_ | if /etc/syslog.conf does not contain a line for logging to /var/log/syslog , will that file ever be created? |
| 21:21.24 | gangsterlicious | The standard "Mail" (or mailx) command.... is there an argument to supply a username for SMTP auth? |
| 21:21.45 | gangsterlicious | if i telnet into the mailhost i need to use "auth login $USERNAME" after ehlo |
| 21:21.45 | n3kl | Can I get a list of authorative domains for agive server using dig? |
| 21:21.52 | gangsterlicious | but on CLI how do i go by doing this? |
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| 21:22.41 | pickcoder | gangsterlicious: "mail" shouldn't need auth to drop mail onto the local machine |
| 21:22.43 | embkas | I'm up to install compiz fuzion - my distro is 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 - trying to install liux headers but get a huge number of kernel versions to choose from . which kernel should I chooose? |
| 21:23.27 | tehsu | where can I find which package lib for tcl is |
| 21:23.34 | tehsu | i installed tcl8.4 and libtcl |
| 21:23.35 | gangsterlicious | pickcoder: no, it's not on local. it's relaying to an exchange host that requires you supply a login |
| 21:23.39 | tehsu | or tcllib i mean |
| 21:23.58 | gangsterlicious | i can do it on telnet but have several scripts uses "Mail" |
| 21:24.03 | pickcoder | gangsterlicious: so configure your MTA to handle it |
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| 21:24.42 | gangsterlicious | pickcoder: unfortunately i don't have control of that. this company is using third-party for outbound relay |
| 21:24.53 | mistern0th1ng | n3kl: dig -t SOA <domain>, then look under the "AUTHORITY SECTION:" and you will see the ns' that are authoritative for given domain. |
| 21:24.55 | embkas | Isn't it possible to install compiz fuzion if I use etchnhalf? |
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| 21:25.21 | pickcoder | gangsterlicious: so you don't relay mail at all? |
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| 21:26.26 | embkas | come on - I'm trying to convince my colleaugues (teachers) to use Linux. With compiz fusion I think I'll have a good argument |
| 21:26.27 | n3kl | mistern0th1ng: other way around. I have a server, and I want to know what domains it is authoratative for. |
| 21:26.27 | gangsterlicious | no, my company's application sits on the host. mail from <host> => <third-party mail relay> => <internet> |
| 21:26.31 | nascentmind | i get crackling sounds while playing.. is this the problem with alsa or debian? |
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| 21:27.21 | embkas | nascentmind: your kernel version is the problem. |
| 21:27.40 | valdyn | compiz has serious issues |
| 21:27.47 | nascentmind | embkas, how can you tell? |
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| 21:28.48 | embkas | I upgradeed my kernel version, and the sound worked well. Debian is not made for Plug and Play - it is mainly made for stability |
| 21:29.01 | valdyn | nascentmind: on which kernel using which program to playback |
| 21:29.08 | embkas | valdyn: what issues? |
| 21:29.23 | nascentmind | valdyn, 2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| 21:29.53 | nascentmind | embkas, i am running the latest kernel and boy am i having problems |
| 21:29.55 | valdyn | embkas: resizing windows is extremely slow, xv works only to some degree on some hardware, same for gl apps within compiz |
| 21:30.12 | mistern0th1ng | n3kl: You could look up the A and PTR record types, dig -t A ns.server.blah |
| 21:30.27 | embkas | valdyn: 2.6.24-etchnhalf solved my problems - no problem with sound in ubuntu hardy |
| 21:30.42 | valdyn | embkas: and more obscure ones like: compiz does not work in xinerama on nvidia cards |
| 21:31.46 | valdyn | nascentmind: and the other half of my questions? |
| 21:31.59 | valdyn | nascentmind: i think you are piping your sound thru your pc speaker |
| 21:32.00 | nascentmind | valdyn, amarok |
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| 21:32.05 | valdyn | nascentmind: instead of the sound card |
| 21:32.16 | nascentmind | valdyn, pc speaker?? |
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| 21:32.27 | nascentmind | valdyn, and how can i come to know where it is piping? |
| 21:32.31 | valdyn | nascentmind: yea, 2.6.25 addded an alsa driver for that |
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| 21:32.49 | valdyn | nascentmind: read "cat /proc/asound/devices" |
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| 21:33.03 | nascentmind | valdyn, oh man.. i am going nuts with these issues.. i spent the last hour trying to solve one problem after another.. |
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| 21:33.16 | valdyn | nascentmind: and cat /proc/asound/cards |
| 21:33.26 | embkas | nascentmind: this is linux |
| 21:33.37 | valdyn | nascentmind: thats your problem you chose to use that kernel |
| 21:33.41 | nascentmind | embkas, yes i know! |
| 21:34.10 | nascentmind | it says -> 0 [SI7012 ]: ICH - SiS SI7012 SiS SI7012 with ALC203 at irq 18 |
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| 21:34.29 | valdyn | nascentmind: ok, thats not your speaker |
| 21:34.42 | embkas | nascentmind: I'm sorry to say - I use debian etc at my school beacause of the stability, but at home i use ubuntu hardy - fvor me it has ebben plug and play |
| 21:34.45 | nascentmind | valdyn, yes i have a good mind to revert back to prev kernel |
| 21:35.32 | nascentmind | embkas, i had much better success with ubuntu.. or for that matter gentoo or fc but not debian |
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| 21:36.23 | embkas | nascentmind: Is this for private use? Use ubuntu hardy :-) It's free as well and built on debian |
| 21:36.24 | nascentmind | embkas, the docs are much better than debian.. atleast can go back to doing useful work as it should be. |
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| 21:37.09 | embkas | I'm more focused on how to bring this nice OS out to the people |
| 21:37.34 | nascentmind | embkas, i used to use the stable version.. but the software is not bleeding edge.. so changed to testing |
| 21:38.12 | valdyn | !evangelism |
| 21:38.15 | nascentmind | embkas, and i am regretting that ever since |
| 21:38.18 | embkas | nascentmind: ubuntu if it is private - debian in serious production :-) |
| 21:38.18 | valdyn | !zealot |
| 21:38.18 | dpkg | hmm... zealot is a person like Error403, or a protos unit in StarCraft, both the original and the expansionpack Broodwar |
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| 21:39.12 | embkas | valdyn: are you trying to tell me anything? |
| 21:39.37 | valdyn | embkas: no, i was trying to make fun of you, but dpkg is not cooperating |
| 21:39.51 | nascentmind | embkas, for some reason while booting the kernel has to think a lot abt while setting up my snd card.. it never happened in the prev kernels |
| 21:40.22 | embkas | valdyn: am i not right in what I'm saying? |
| 21:40.36 | embkas | :-) |
| 21:40.43 | valdyn | embkas: no? |
| 21:40.52 | DawnLight | where can i get a list of character sets? |
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| 21:41.34 | nascentmind | embkas, what are you using debian on? |
| 21:41.37 | DawnLight | the ones that i can use for mounting cd's with the iocharset option |
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| 21:42.10 | clamiax | hola |
| 21:42.14 | clamiax | i got a question |
| 21:42.14 | newsense | on his etch a sketch lol |
| 21:42.32 | clamiax | i installed Debian on a eee pc |
| 21:42.45 | newsense | emachines pc ? |
| 21:42.46 | clamiax | everything works properly except for a thing |
| 21:43.21 | clamiax | while playing flash movies the video stops after 2 seconds |
| 21:43.24 | oliver_g_ | (ok, looks like logrotate didn't reload syslogd, maybe because it didn't find a /var/log/syslog file at all) |
| 21:43.27 | valdyn | DawnLight: probably "grep nls /boot/config-$(uname -r)" |
| 21:43.43 | oliver_g_ | (thanks for your help) |
| 21:43.50 | clamiax | it also don't get the data anymore |
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| 21:44.11 | clamiax | i tried to reinstall the plugins (also removing the ~/.mozilla directory) |
| 21:44.20 | clamiax | google didn't help, yet |
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| 21:44.32 | clamiax | does anyone have an idea/hint/URI/anything about? |
| 21:44.34 | embkas | valdyn: of course I am - when the mass recognise the benefits of open source - M$ will get a real challenge - ubuntu hardy has what i ttakes to give M$ a match - that's why se have to focuse on how to get ubuntu out to the people. Debian etc, lenny and sid are for nerds (who are making the fundament) |
| 21:44.39 | clamiax | THX in advance |
| 21:44.59 | DawnLight | valdyn: genious! all caps, though |
| 21:45.12 | stew | embkas: please keep it on topic |
| 21:45.28 | valdyn | DawnLight: and _ instead of - |
| 21:45.34 | stew | embkas: if you want to discuss ubuntu, do it in #ubuntu. if you want to discuss the relative merits of various linux OSs, try ##linux |
| 21:45.53 | embkas | stew: ok, was just answering valdyn |
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| 21:46.46 | embkas | stew: my goal in my work is to spread the good news about open source and linux |
| 21:47.14 | MaliutaLap | ffs linux _is_ the OS, anything else (debian, redhat ...) is application packaging |
| 21:47.22 | MaliutaLap | get the terminology right |
| 21:47.37 | valdyn | MaliutaLap: yes, please, linux is a kernel, not an OS |
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| 21:47.49 | newsense | embkas: i tried that and everyone instaled it than pestered me for weeks asking how to do everything |
| 21:48.01 | embkas | Malitu |
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| 21:48.14 | KDE4000 | hi |
| 21:48.15 | themill | !lose MaliutaLap |
| 21:48.15 | dpkg | MaliutaLap: You Lose. |
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| 21:48.28 | KDE4000 | where are the patches for programs kept? |
| 21:48.45 | stew | KDE4000: on the repository mirrors |
| 21:48.48 | KDE4000 | (eg for using debians patches for another project, or build from src) |
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| 21:49.22 | stew | KDE4000: you can download the debian specific patches (named packagename_version.diff.gz) from http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
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| 21:50.29 | stew | KDE4000: if you are running debian, you can get the source along with the debian patches by running "apt-get source packagename" |
| 21:50.38 | KDE4000 | the patch is in .diff not .patch :/ http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gzip/gzip_1.3.12-6.diff.gz |
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| 21:51.00 | embkas | Maliuta: i know - but on that kernel different distroes find it's place - and if we talk about the mass, the users we should focuse on ubuntu when we show them linux - it may not be as stable as debian - but they are accustomed to MS Windows.... I look forward to the day when education institution has gor more debian isntallations than MS Windows installations... |
| 21:51.07 | pickcoder | .diff == .patch |
| 21:51.08 | stew | KDE4000: yes, the patches are named .diff.gz they are unified diffs compressed with gzip -9 |
| 21:51.35 | stew | embkas: please take this conversation elsewhere. perhaps #defocus or ##debian-offtopic or ##linux |
| 21:52.09 | embkas | stew: sorry - I'm getting a bit carried away: |
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| 21:53.14 | themill | stew: one too many #s on #debian-offtopic |
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| 21:53.51 | embkas | themill: ? |
| 21:54.11 | stew | embkas: he's saying i should be redirecting you to #debian-offtopic not ##debian-offtopic |
| 21:54.11 | trinux | #s? |
| 21:54.23 | trinux | oh |
| 21:54.36 | mohadib | yay audacious is broken |
| 21:54.43 | mohadib | i fucking love lenny :s |
| 21:54.54 | stew | its going to be the best debian ever |
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| 21:55.23 | embkas | stew: ok |
| 21:55.27 | KDE4000 | gzip-src# patch -p0 < ../gzip_1.3.12-6.diff? |
| 21:56.01 | pickcoder | better than Sarge? |
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| 21:56.10 | trinux | the dpkg bot is not the blootbot in the sid repository, dondelelcaro has it modified in some SVN right? |
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| 21:56.35 | stew | trinux: yes, but don is mostly synced with the infobot upstream source now, afaik |
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| 21:57.06 | trinux | ah, goodie. cause last time i messed with the source it did not fit the factoid DB's structure |
| 21:57.12 | stew | KDE4000: i think you want -p1 |
| 21:57.43 | KDE4000 | oh yeah... |
| 21:57.49 | stew | i don't think the db structure has changed |
| 21:58.03 | stew | but i could be wrong |
| 21:58.05 | KDE4000 | sorry i was half asleep :/ |
| 21:58.07 | roe_ | any idea why xen has not been patched for the newer kernels, (newer than 2.6.18)? |
| 21:58.18 | roe_ | or at least not in the debian repos |
| 21:58.24 | KDE4000 | isnt Xen in the kernel now? |
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| 21:58.43 | KDE4000 | ok gzip compiles with debian patch :) |
| 21:58.47 | KDE4000 | thanks guys! |
| 21:59.43 | stew | trinux: i haven't been keeping up to date, but don's svn branch at least USED to be: URL: https://svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/blootbot/branches/don/dpkg ; i don't know if it moved since blootbot got renamed back to infobot |
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| 22:00.11 | Swapper | Hi |
| 22:00.27 | stew | roe_: you'd have to ask the xen developers |
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| 22:00.49 | trinux | stew: oh it was renamed and don is involved in the new old infobot dev? |
| 22:01.00 | Swapper | Can anyone tell me what has happened with bitchx? somewhere to read why it has been taken away from Debian? |
| 22:01.12 | stew | roe_: actually there is a big thread on lists.debian.org/debian-devel about it. but the synopsis is that debian doesn't have newer than 2.6.18 kernsl with xen support becuase xensource hasn't provided newer patches yet |
| 22:01.15 | trinux | or did the old guys bring their project back to live and don makes his own bot for #debian? |
| 22:01.34 | Swapper | in sid i can't find it but pork |
| 22:02.23 | stew | trinux: blootbot was a fork of infobot. don maintains his own patches, which slowly get migrated into trunk. recently, blootbot was merged again with infobot: http://blootbot.sourceforge.net/ |
| 22:02.48 | stew | well i don't know if there was any merging, it was probably just that infobot was killed and blootbot renamed |
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| 22:05.04 | stew | Swapper: it has a bad history with security problems. it was eventually removed from debian becuase of this: http://bugs.debian.org/451373 |
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| 22:09.09 | trinux | stew: thanks a lot for the interesting info |
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| 22:15.42 | ron1n | hey guys, I'm looking to install Debian on a fujitsu stylistic 3500, I've only ever installed debian with the net-install and I don't think that will work here |
| 22:15.46 | ron1n | any suggestions? |
| 22:16.29 | ron1n | clear |
| 22:16.40 | ron1n | oops, this isn't xterm XD |
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| 22:18.44 | eldowan | Is there an aptitude alternative to apt-get install -f? |
| 22:19.08 | stew | eldowan: aptitude install -f |
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| 22:19.16 | eldowan | figures... |
| 22:19.25 | dam85 | hello how can i set the java virtual machine with update-alternatives ? |
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| 22:20.18 | themill | dam85: update-java-alternatives |
| 22:21.40 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/335104 |
| 22:22.29 | eldowan | OK, I think I need help. I tried to install evolution yesterday, and it came up with the problem of libnss3-1d. Now when I try to install anything, I get errors. Same when I try to uninstall or purge evolution or any other package. aptitude install -f output the following: http://paste.debian.net/12675/ |
| 22:22.48 | dam85 | this is the list but how can i set which java virtual machine ? |
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| 22:24.04 | themill | dam85: did you read the man page? did you run it with --help? |
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| 22:24.31 | dam85 | sorry |
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| 22:26.45 | eldowan | Is it safe to remove /var/cache/apt/archives and try again? I really wouldn't like to make anything a mess. |
| 22:28.00 | stew | eldowan: its always safe to remove files from /var/cache but not directories. it won't help your problem though. you need to workout the conflict between the two packages. have you checked the bts? |
| 22:28.45 | eldowan | stew: no, but I guess that would be a good place to start. Why would this prevent me from removing the libnss3-1d package though? |
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| 22:34.27 | TheKayser | tem alguem ae? |
| 22:35.07 | amphi | !br |
| 22:35.08 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 22:39.21 | stew | eldowan: you can't remove it becuase its not installed yet |
| 22:41.03 | eldowan | well now that would make sense, wouldn't it? |
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| 22:42.47 | BB|AtWork | hello everyone. i'm trying to rebuild a new version of an available .deb and i've got the package rebuilding and installing fine except for the fact that i am prompted with "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" i'm guessing i have to import the key i used to sign the package with but i'm not sure how to get the public version of that key that i should put into apt |
| 22:43.22 | BB|AtWork | i can override it but i am trying to install the package under puppet so its important i am prompted by nothing by apt-get for my package |
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| 22:51.52 | snitko | anyone remembers, how to force rsync output log with only changed files (not those, which are uptodate)? |
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| 22:53.40 | themill | snitko: it does that by default with -v |
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| 22:57.56 | snitko | themill: right, thnx. the option was included |
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| 22:59.50 | eldowan | In lenny, kdebase looks to be version 4:3.5.9dfsg.1-2 . This is KDE 3.5.9 or KDE 4? |
| 23:00.20 | themill | !kde version |
| 23:00.20 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kde version is look at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKDE for detailed information, or look at the version of kdelibs for an approximate version. |
| 23:00.37 | themill | eldowan: lenny mostly has 3.5.9 |
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| 23:00.48 | eldowan | thanks themill. Thats just what I was looking for. |
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| 23:11.16 | karmelek | hello! i have got a problem with flash in iceweasel on my lenny. I have to activate each flash object by clicking in play button on it. Whaat is wrong? |
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| 23:13.18 | Eulex | karmelek, nothing's wrong. you're got the flashblock extension installed. |
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| 23:17.03 | karmelek | Eulex: i don't remember installing it |
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| 23:19.18 | dva-5912 | Can any one help me make it to where when a person from one URL goes to one directory and one with another different goes to a deffernt |
| 23:19.40 | n3kl | dva-5912: try #apache |
| 23:19.48 | dva-5912 | I kew it!!!!! |
| 23:19.51 | dva-5912 | Your an idiot |
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| 23:20.16 | dva-5912 | thumbs says that |
| 23:20.33 | Ace2016_- | ... |
| 23:20.40 | karmelek | :( |
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| 23:21.03 | dva-5912 | ok sorry had to get it out of m system |
| 23:21.12 | dva-5912 | ive ben with them for almost an hour now |
| 23:21.16 | BB|AtWork | hello everyone. i'm trying to rebuild a new version of an available .deb and i've got the package rebuilding and installing fine except for the fact that i am prompted with "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" i'm guessing i have to import the key i used to sign the package with but i'm not sure how to get the public version of that key that i should put into apt |
| 23:21.17 | dva-5912 | they told me to come here |
| 23:21.24 | Eulex | karmelek, then go to the extensions list, which can be reached from the tools menu |
| 23:22.04 | karmelek | i got it |
| 23:22.17 | karmelek | but there is no flashblock listed here |
| 23:22.44 | dva-5912 | so with me kicked now from #apache Can any one help me make it to where when a person from one URL goes to one directory and one with another different goes to a deffernt |
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| 23:23.20 | n3kl | BB|AtWork: You should be able to get it from the website for the source that you have added. Or, you might just need to do an apt-get update. |
| 23:23.33 | n3kl | BB|AtWork: once you have the key its apt-key add <key> |
| 23:24.06 | BB|AtWork | n3kl i'm trying to make my own apt source |
| 23:24.15 | BB|AtWork | i've signed the package with my gpg key |
| 23:24.25 | BB|AtWork | but i don't know how to make the key from that that i need to import into apt |
| 23:24.28 | dva-5912 | come one wher else can i try |
| 23:24.37 | n3kl | BB|AtWork: Ah, neat. so its apt-key add <key> |
| 23:24.42 | BB|AtWork | dva-5912 google apache2 mod-rewrite |
| 23:24.52 | BB|AtWork | n3kl what <key> tho? |
| 23:25.05 | n3kl | BB|AtWork: the public key that you have created |
| 23:25.07 | BB|AtWork | i used gpg --gen-key |
| 23:25.14 | BB|AtWork | heh i don't know how to use gpg :) |
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| 23:25.33 | n3kl | BB|AtWork: ah, thats the problem. man gpg. gpg --export |
| 23:25.45 | dva-5912 | BB|AtWork: negative not what im looking for |
| 23:25.53 | BB|AtWork | dva-5912 mod-proxy then |
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| 23:26.03 | n3kl | dva-5912: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/name-based.html |
| 23:26.21 | n3kl | dva-5912: if you had googled at all, I think you could have found this |
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| 23:26.36 | karmelek | Eulex: how to solve it? |
| 23:27.05 | Eulex | karmelek, either uninstall it or disable it. |
| 23:27.21 | dva-5912 |  n3kl yes and thats what i got setup but its not working |
| 23:27.28 | dva-5912 | it keeps going to the same one at the top |
| 23:27.37 | BB|AtWork | how are you trying to access it? |
| 23:27.40 | dva-5912 | the second one that is |
| 23:27.43 | n3kl | dva-5912: is "not working" the technical term? |
| 23:27.59 | dva-5912 | http://donnascreations.sytes.net/ |
| 23:28.03 | dva-5912 | should not get joomla |
| 23:28.09 | SeveredCross | I'm trying to set up a way to mount the home folder for my user over NFS. How can I do that? |
| 23:28.10 | dva-5912 | http://clubmckinley.hopto.org |
| 23:28.12 | dva-5912 | should |
| 23:28.13 | BB|AtWork | you need to setup seperate serverName entries in the <vhost> definitions *AND* you have to actually use different dns entries to get to these sites |
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| 23:28.41 | dva-5912 | il bbl |
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| 23:29.12 | BB|AtWork | dva-5912 use apache2ctl to dump your vhost configs out on the console so you can verify them |
| 23:30.04 | karmelek | Eulex: I am totally idiot or it isn't installed |
| 23:30.29 | Eulex | karmelek, hmm, that's odd if it isn't listed |
| 23:31.15 | SeveredCross | Nobody? |
| 23:31.28 | karmelek | on each flash object i have play symbol |
| 23:31.31 | BB|AtWork | SeveredCross man exports |
| 23:32.15 | BB|AtWork | SeveredCross and probably man fstab |
| 23:32.19 | SeveredCross | BB|AtWork: Thanks. |
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| 23:33.41 | Eulex | karmelek, well... afaik that's what the flashblock plugin does (adds a play symbol on each flash object, which you need to click to start it)... so if isn't installed, I have no idea what the problem could be |
| 23:33.49 | Eulex | karmelek, what web browser is this? |
| 23:34.14 | karmelek | iceweasel |
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| 23:34.48 | ryan-c | so |
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| 23:34.56 | Texou | hi |
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| 23:35.04 | ryan-c | is there a tool for converting a bin/cue to iso? |
| 23:35.27 | Eulex | bchunk |
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| 23:36.00 | Nazcafan_ | hello |
| 23:36.19 | karmelek | Eulex: thx for help - will try later ;-) |
| 23:36.21 | Nazcafan_ | I am having trouble using texdoc |
| 23:36.31 | karmelek | need some sleep :D |
| 23:36.46 | SeveredCross | Wow, that's really easy to set up NFS. |
| 23:37.48 | Texou | hey guys, do you know where I can learn how any distribution work, as Debian? I mean, i.e. how Debian does to update glibc without re-installing all the system, is there an order, a frequence...? well how to handle a diitro? is there a guide about that? |
| 23:38.20 | Nazcafan_ | when I use the command texdoc amsmath, it tries to open the pdffile with xpdf |
| 23:38.28 | Nazcafan_ | which is not installed |
| 23:38.37 | Texou | Nazcafan_: :D hi |
| 23:38.44 | Eulex | Texou, you're talking about the great glibc 5 to 6 transition? |
| 23:39.11 | Nazcafan_ | hello Texou |
| 23:39.22 | Texou | Eulex: yes for instance, but in general I'd like to kdow how this kind of update is done |
| 23:39.26 | Eulex | Texou, how debian 'fixed' that is to not allow rpaths from the beginning. |
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| 23:39.41 | greeg | gang. |
| 23:39.44 | wanze | ?? non-free sources |
| 23:39.51 | greeg | !firefox 3 etch |
| 23:39.51 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 23:39.57 | wanze | !non-free sources |
| 23:39.58 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 23:40.04 | Eulex | Texou, and that allowed libraries and applications which needed different versions of glibc to happily coexist |
| 23:40.21 | Eulex | Texou, (they had different filenames; but if you used rpaths, that's not enough) |
| 23:40.35 | greeg | would i have to reinstall flash if i update to firefox 3 ? |
| 23:40.42 | ryan-c | Eulex: thank you |
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| 23:40.54 | Eulex | Texou, http://people.debian.org/~che/personal/rpath-considered-harmful |
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| 23:41.10 | Texou | Eulex: I look |
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| 23:41.50 | Mark17 | hello, i get the following error http://yourpaste.net/964/ , how can i fix it? the network card is correctly attached |
| 23:41.59 | Mark17 | it is probably an udev rule |
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| 23:43.19 | n3kl | Mark17: ifconfig eth0 |
| 23:43.28 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me if the lenny d-i adds 'utf8' to the cdrom options in fstab? |
| 23:43.46 | Mark17 | eth0: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 23:45.05 | n3kl | Mark17: cchances are that it has changed. Try ifconfig eth{1,2,3} |
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| 23:46.43 | Mark17 | n3kl: thank you, it did change to eth1 :S |
| 23:47.05 | n3kl | np |
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| 23:47.43 | cchanc1 | ok im back |
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| 23:47.59 | cchanc1 | Anyone remember my wuestion |
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| 23:48.03 | cchanc1 | question* |
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| 23:49.01 | freebird | you guys, I`ve exim4, courier imap and pop all 3 up and running, I can send |
| 23:49.20 | freebird | and recieve emails, connect witha user thru telnet, but can't log uebimiau in, why is that |
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| 23:50.22 | lymeca | My sshfs breaks every reboot with Etch. I need to google each time for how to run mknode to recreate /dev/fuse because every reboot it disappears |
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| 23:52.40 | crn | lymeca, cant you make a script and add it to the network scripts? or in init.d? |
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| 23:52.48 | n3kl | lymeca: if you were smart you write a script |
| 23:53.00 | Punker | hi!! |
| 23:53.01 | Punker | hola |
| 23:53.05 | lymeca | Well I mean is fuse broken for everyone in Etch or just me? |
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| 23:53.18 | cchanc1 | Ok i guess no one remembers. I was looking for a way to make it to where when a user goes to one url it goes to one DIR then like wise to a different URL |
| 23:53.21 | b_jonas | hello. on my debian etch x86 system, I have bash 3.1.17(1) installed from package, but the info docs (not manpage) installed from package are only for bash 3.0. |
| 23:53.31 | lymeca | I'd rather help out Debian by finding the issue and filing a bug on the appropriate package then create a hack work around for myself |
| 23:53.39 | Punker | exit |
| 23:53.39 | n3kl | lymeca: probably just you, but I don't know for sure because I don't mount any fuse on boot. |
| 23:53.40 | b_jonas | is that a problem I caused somehow, or a bug in etch, or a bug in bash? |
| 23:53.41 | Punker | jajaja |
| 23:53.44 | Punker | no se que pdo.. |
| 23:53.45 | Punker | me voyh |
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| 23:54.01 | lymeca | n3kl: I don't mount fuse at boot either. This is AFTER booting up. |
| 23:54.17 | n3kl | lymeca: where did you get it? Backports? |
| 23:54.21 | cchanc1 | n3kl, what were you talking about before with me |
| 23:54.36 | n3kl | cchanc1: I have no idea |
| 23:54.38 | crn | lymeca, ok. i dont use fuse so i don't know. |
| 23:54.41 | cchanc1 | kik |
| 23:54.44 | cchanc1 | lol* |
| 23:55.12 | n3kl | er |
| 23:55.26 | lymeca | n3kl: No I have sshfs version 1.6-1+b2 which is in etch |
| 23:55.28 | Texou | Eulex: so if I try to do general situation, for instance, to go from glibc-2.5 to 2.6, in a system built from sources, all the system should be re-installed. But for such upgrade, Debian doesn't re-initall all the packages right? |
| 23:55.46 | n3kl | lymeca: you said its a fuse problem, where did you get fuse? |
| 23:55.52 | FrdPrefct | sup |
| 23:56.09 | Eulex | Texou, what? glibc 2.5 and 2.6 both libc6 |
| 23:56.11 | FrdPrefct | fun |
| 23:56.14 | Eulex | +are |
| 23:56.36 | lymeca | n3kl: Also Etch |
| 23:57.03 | cchanc1 | anyone see anything wrong with http://debian.pastebin.org/56524 |
| 23:57.12 | lymeca | libfuse2 is Etch version 2.5.3-4.4 and fuse-utils is the same |
| 23:57.19 | Texou | Eulex: ah :p so Debian creates from source 2.5 and 2.6 a single package libc6? do I understand? |
| 23:57.26 | n3kl | lymeca: its probably how you are using it. If you could give more insformation, I am sure someone in here can help you. |
| 23:57.39 | Eulex | Texou, also, stuff built against glibc 2.5 will run with glibc 2.6. no need to recompile for them to work with 2.6. |
| 23:57.52 | Eulex | Texou, I do not believe so. there's just one libc6 on a system at once. |
| 23:57.57 | lymeca | n3kl: Okay well I'm just trying to use sshfs which uses fuse to mount a flesystem over ssh. Think NFS but SSH instead. |
| 23:58.05 | lymeca | sshfs uses fuse |
| 23:58.20 | n3kl | lymeca: I know what sshfs is, I mean, command examples, error messages and such |
| 23:58.22 | Texou | Eulex: hmmm ok |
| 23:58.27 | cchanc1 | n3kl, see anything wrong with http://debian.pastebin.org/56524 |
| 23:58.32 | lymeca | Everytime I want to mount using sshfs after I reboot it complains about /dev/fuse not working |
| 23:58.38 | lymeca | not existing rather |
| 23:58.42 | Eulex | Texou, there can however be one libc5 and one libc6 installed. |
| 23:58.45 | lymeca | I have to google for the right command to create it |
| 23:59.10 | Texou | Eulex: and is glibc-2.7 used on Debian? |
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| 23:59.13 | n3kl | cchanc1: oh your the jerk. Yeah its wrong. YOU got two virtualhosts with the same name |
| 23:59.32 | cchanc1 | jerk... ;-| |
| 23:59.36 | Eulex | Texou, in testing and unstable, yes. stable has 2.3.6. |
| 23:59.55 | cchanc1 | n3kl, they are on the same server, i only have one ip |
