| 00:00.07 | enouf | mordy_: it's a TUI and GUI browser, can run as such in Console or X |
| 00:00.11 | enouf | mordy_: yep |
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| 00:00.44 | Pavlz | yes, but on this pc i got ubuntu, i want to do a dvd and then install GNU/linux Debian |
| 00:00.54 | dogmeat | i run home to puke my gutts with all of my heart |
| 00:01.03 | enouf | mordy_: hit ESC or click where the menu would usually be, and it;ll appear |
| 00:01.16 | mordy_ | hmm... let's see |
| 00:01.26 | mordy_ | hehe, it's a good thing i'm using a remote session for this thing |
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| 00:01.59 | enouf | mordy_: help > keys list some keyboard shortcuts |
| 00:02.21 | Pavlz | from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ i receive this reply: Unable to connect |
| 00:02.21 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.21 | *** kick/#debian [Pavlz!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 00:02.24 | enouf | mordy_: X over remote? |
| 00:02.37 | enouf | X11 forwardinf |
| 00:02.41 | mordy_ | enouf, nomachine (shh.... it's evil) |
| 00:02.42 | enouf | g? |
| 00:02.49 | enouf | are yuo high? |
| 00:03.03 | mordy_ | me? |
| 00:03.18 | mordy_ | session persisting disconnect rocks, enouf |
| 00:03.32 | enouf | mordy_: you can't judge X speed through all that crap! |
| 00:03.52 | mordy_ | enouf, i've tried it with/without |
| 00:03.55 | enouf | what the fuck is wrong with you? |
| 00:04.39 | mordy_ | enouf, relax. i'm not complaining about a choppy remote session, i'm speaking about my native session without anything else runnign |
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| 00:05.06 | opensrcguru | did someone say high? |
| 00:05.16 | opensrcguru | ha |
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| 00:05.54 | mordy_ | did someone say what? |
| 00:07.55 | mordy_ | hmm... can i make this links2 my default session? |
| 00:09.08 | Pavlz | i think that debhelper first to kick me must to reflect, why i communicate to #debian that your system has got a problem, i communicate all the problems about, and until to help me, i came kicked, next time i speak with Richard Matthew Stallman when he comes in Italy |
| 00:09.36 | jetscreamer | you can just install the virtual stallman... no need to wait |
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| 00:09.44 | abrotman | !it |
| 00:09.45 | dpkg | it has been said that #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:09.47 | jetscreamer | i forget the package name |
| 00:10.20 | jetscreamer | !vrs |
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| 00:10.46 | abrotman | !vrms |
| 00:10.46 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 00:10.50 | jetscreamer | ahh |
| 00:10.52 | jetscreamer | thankee |
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| 00:11.45 | Pavlz | debhelper is only a bot debhelper@rzlab.ucr.edu |
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| 00:11.55 | jetscreamer | we know |
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| 00:12.21 | jetscreamer | !gravity++ |
| 00:12.59 | gravity | :-) |
| 00:13.22 | Nyle | bot |
| 00:13.30 | jetscreamer | considers forming the debian pep squad |
| 00:13.55 | abrotman | Pavlz: do you need help ? |
| 00:14.19 | Nyle | haha |
| 00:14.27 | Nyle | bot damnit its a bot that kicked you |
| 00:14.31 | Nyle | Pavlz, ^^ |
| 00:14.55 | Wyzard | Pavlz: debhelper kicked you automatically because you pasted too much |
| 00:14.56 | Nyle | Pavlz, you said too many lines in a row very fast |
| 00:15.16 | opensrcguru | hip hip hooray for the new US citizen! |
| 00:15.23 | mordy_ | says "too many lines in a row very fast" |
| 00:15.24 | Nyle | why thank you |
| 00:15.25 | Pavlz | yes, but the bot debhelper kicked me so, if you want enjoy to see the homepage of debhelper you can see the monster they are http://rzlab.ucr.edu |
| 00:15.26 | opensrcguru | ;) |
| 00:15.37 | abrotman | Pavlz: STOP |
| 00:15.44 | abrotman | Pavlz: do you have a Debian question or not? |
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| 00:15.59 | Pavlz | yes |
| 00:16.16 | abrotman | which is? |
| 00:16.24 | Pavlz | i said that the systems give not the possibility to download images |
| 00:16.32 | abrotman | download how? |
| 00:16.44 | abrotman | wget http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso |
| 00:16.46 | abrotman | does that fail? |
| 00:16.53 | Wyzard | unable to connect to cdimage.debian.org, he said |
| 00:17.07 | abrotman | then it's his system .. works fine here |
| 00:17.07 | Wyzard | It works for me, though |
| 00:17.20 | Corwin | aira2c is like wget but will download even faster |
| 00:17.25 | opensrcguru | works for me too |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | how about not confusing him .. he's got enough issues |
| 00:17.43 | Corwin | good point |
| 00:18.25 | Nyle | Pavlz, what is your native language? |
| 00:18.37 | abrotman | italian |
| 00:18.38 | Nyle | Pavlz, we probably have a channel for that you can ask if you feel more comfortabl with it |
| 00:18.39 | Pavlz | it is not important |
| 00:18.48 | Nyle | ok |
| 00:18.52 | Pavlz | your way to do is discrimination |
| 00:19.14 | Nyle | Pavlz, if you paste more than 3 lines in a row, the bot kicks you automatically. Its nothing personal, or discriminatory. |
| 00:19.18 | Pavlz | human rights, freedom to speech |
| 00:19.19 | Corwin | Pavlz: I don't think that's anyones intent here |
| 00:19.23 | Wyzard | Pavlz: Nobody's discriminating against you |
| 00:19.35 | Wyzard | Pavlz: but your statements are difficult to understand, and you seem to be having difficulty understanding us |
| 00:19.58 | Wyzard | Pavlz: so we're suggesting you ask in #debian-it where you can use your native language |
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| 00:20.21 | mordy_ | wonders if they have a debian channel in latin |
| 00:20.41 | Nyle | does it have a locale? |
| 00:20.49 | mordy_ | err.. vt? |
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| 00:20.54 | Nyle | vt for latin? |
| 00:20.57 | gravity | That would be rad |
| 00:21.06 | Nyle | what? |
| 00:21.07 | mordy_ | vt-lt? |
| 00:21.10 | mordy_ | vatican |
| 00:21.12 | gravity | A #debian-latin |
| 00:21.19 | Nyle | oh |
| 00:21.23 | Nyle | !latin |
| 00:21.23 | dpkg | latin is probably an old dead but beautiful language |
| 00:21.27 | Nyle | useless |
| 00:21.31 | Pavlz | i take it for discrimination, because bob Grant set this way to do bob.grant@ucr.edu in University Of California |
| 00:21.34 | Corwin | wonders if thry have a debian channel in pig latin |
| 00:21.44 | Nyle | Pavlz, what do you want from us? |
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| 00:21.50 | Nyle | Pavlz, get to the point, quickly please. |
| 00:22.03 | Nyle | debian in pig latin is like |
| 00:22.05 | Nyle | ebianday |
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| 00:22.19 | Pavlz | bob is a pig not i |
| 00:22.24 | Wyzard | wonders who Bob Grant is |
| 00:22.29 | mordy_ | ebian a day ekepay hetay ocdortday wayae |
| 00:22.39 | Nyle | aravitygay or ebianday isay a eveloperday ofay ebianday! |
| 00:22.47 | Nyle | s/or/of |
| 00:22.50 | gravity | heh |
| 00:22.50 | opensrcguru | snickers and wants to discriminate agains nicks that start with 'Pav' |
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| 00:22.54 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 00:22.59 | hobophobe | Still trying to track down why gvm won't mount my usb mass storage device.. anyone know how to find out why it isn't? |
| 00:23.27 | aleeexfranci | Pavlz, probelmi? |
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| 00:23.54 | Nyle | hobophobe, what does mount say? |
| 00:24.08 | Nyle | hobophobe, how are you trying to mount it? is usb-storage loaded? |
| 00:24.36 | Nyle | hobophobe, we need some sort of error messages if any that you get |
| 00:24.40 | hobophobe | well I'm not sure how I should invoke mount, just mount -tvfat /dev/sdc /media/mount ? |
| 00:24.48 | Nyle | sure |
| 00:24.50 | hobophobe | gvm is supposed to mount it for me |
| 00:24.55 | Nyle | I don't know gvm |
| 00:24.59 | Pavlz | is the person that create http://rzlab.ucr.edu |
| 00:25.14 | hobophobe | gnome-volume-manager, it's supposed to make this stuff hotpluggable :) |
| 00:25.14 | Nyle | Pavlz, so what does it have to do with you not being able to download images? |
| 00:25.25 | gravity | oh god |
| 00:25.27 | Nyle | not an gnome expert |
| 00:25.37 | abrotman | hobophobe: you in the plugdev group ? |
| 00:25.49 | Nyle | gravity, whats up |
| 00:25.58 | Wyzard | Pavlz: The bot is not discriminating against you |
| 00:26.01 | gravity | Nyle: Nothing important |
| 00:26.09 | Wyzard | Pavlz: *Anyone* who pastes more than three lines gets kicked automatically |
| 00:26.10 | Nyle | you exclaimed oh god |
| 00:26.11 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:26.22 | mordy_ | !oh god |
| 00:26.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, god is Incorporeal |
| 00:26.54 | Nyle | gravity, I shoulda said, "what can I do for you my son?" |
| 00:26.55 | Nyle | haha |
| 00:26.56 | Pavlz | if you like so, ok, me not |
| 00:27.09 | hobophobe | abrotman, I don't have a plugdev group? Should I just create one? |
| 00:27.13 | Nyle | Pavlz, do you have a debian support question? |
| 00:27.27 | abrotman | hobophobe: you should |
| 00:27.37 | Pavlz | i just say |
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| 00:27.44 | Pavlz | but nothing change |
| 00:27.58 | Nyle | Pavlz, WHAT DO YOU WANT!? |
| 00:28.01 | Nyle | seriously... |
| 00:28.14 | Wyzard | I think he wants us to fix cdimage.debian.org so he can download from it |
| 00:28.15 | Pavlz | i got the same problem, and i am not enjoying to do so |
| 00:28.31 | Wyzard | but it seems to work fine to me |
| 00:28.46 | Pavlz | because with all the time left to speak, i download a full distribution |
| 00:28.48 | Wyzard | and we in #debian don't have control of that server anyway |
| 00:29.02 | buluca | Pavlz: why don't you come on #debian-it? |
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| 00:29.40 | Nyle | Wyzard, aren't there mirrors of the cdimages? |
| 00:29.47 | hobophobe | hmm pmount/nautilus still doesn't show the device when I plug it in |
| 00:29.49 | Wyzard | probably |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 00:30.10 | Wyzard | When I look it up in DNS I consistently get CNAME ftp.acc.umu.se though |
| 00:30.11 | abrotman | for one |
| 00:30.22 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:30.38 | Nyle | !nl |
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| 00:30.39 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 00:30.41 | Nyle | ahh |
| 00:30.49 | Wyzard | It could just be a network outage somewhere on the Internet though |
| 00:31.00 | Nyle | or maybe his dns is toast |
| 00:31.07 | mordy_ | !il |
| 00:31.08 | dpkg | methinks il is Israel, home of some truly great people |
| 00:31.18 | Nyle | sometimes on verizon i can't even resolv ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 00:32.03 | hobophobe | hmm okay pmount /dev/sdd1 worked... now to figure why gvm won't do it on its own |
| 00:32.19 | Nyle | why is a volume manager trying to mount ..... oh nm |
| 00:32.27 | Nyle | its volume manager not volume control |
| 00:32.31 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA, silly me |
| 00:32.33 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Check its entry in gnome-device-manager |
| 00:32.39 | abrotman | hobophobe: i'm really pretty sure there should be a plugdev group |
| 00:32.43 | gravity | gvm is a weird beast. It doesn't always work for me, and I have no idea why |
| 00:33.01 | gravity | given all the layers (kernel->udev->hal->dbus->gvm) it's hard to know where to start |
| 00:33.01 | hobophobe | abrotman, yeah... not sure why I didn't have one, but I created one and added myself to it. |
| 00:33.15 | Nyle | what gid should it be? |
| 00:33.22 | abrotman | i don't think that's quite the correct method |
| 00:33.25 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Make sure the storage.removable property is true |
| 00:33.31 | Nyle | if you creat it now isn't it going to be above 1000? would that matter at all? |
| 00:33.35 | hobophobe | there was already a netdev and powerdev groups |
| 00:33.37 | Wyzard | hobophobe: and/or storage.hotpluggable |
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| 00:33.48 | buluca | Pavlz: vieni pure su #debian-it |
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| 00:36.30 | mordy_ | could the drivers from intel's site be of use to me maybe? |
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| 00:36.41 | Nyle | Error retrieving bug reports from the server with the following error message: W: invalid date |
| 00:36.44 | Nyle | It could be because your network is down, or because of broken proxy servers, or the BTS server itself is down. Check network configuration and try again |
| 00:36.51 | mordy_ | or are those drivers identical to what is xorg's drivers |
| 00:36.53 | Nyle | guys, I've been getting this from apt-listbugs all day today |
| 00:37.05 | Nyle | I have no proxies and can ping bts |
| 00:37.15 | Nyle | any one know what could be up? |
| 00:37.26 | gravity | mordy_: Intel's stuff is newer than what's in etch |
| 00:37.34 | gravity | mordy_: If you're running unstable it's the same thing |
| 00:37.44 | mordy_ | gravity - running lenny |
| 00:37.58 | Nyle | 64 bytes from rietz.debian.org (140.211.166.43): icmp_seq=3 ttl=48 time=85.0 ms |
| 00:38.10 | Nyle | seems to be good, but apt-listbugs always fails |
| 00:38.23 | gravity | mordy_: Those look to be fairly up to date |
| 00:38.40 | gravity | mordy_: So I doubt going to the intel site would help you. |
| 00:38.49 | Nyle | W: invalid date <-- but what this means? |
| 00:38.57 | abrotman | Nyle: it means the date is invalid :) |
| 00:39.04 | Nyle | hehe obviously |
| 00:39.06 | mordy_ | gravity - the best thing for me would be to get some kind of package which monitors my graphics card |
| 00:39.24 | Nyle | !dbugs #492012 |
| 00:39.27 | Nyle | I found this |
| 00:39.28 | dpkg | #492012:I[apt-listbugs] apt-listbugs: fails to retreive bug reports if there are a lot of bugs; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:27:01 UTC |
| 00:39.33 | gravity | mordy_: I don't understand what that means |
| 00:39.43 | mordy_ | i'm looking to give an actual number or error message next time i see this problem, not just an "it's horribly slow and chopy" |
| 00:39.43 | Nyle | I've got about 600mb of package updates, maybe lots of bugs preventing it |
| 00:39.48 | Nyle | this kinda sucks :( |
| 00:39.53 | mordy_ | gravity ^^ |
| 00:40.00 | hobophobe | Huh, thanks Wyzard |
| 00:40.03 | gravity | mordy_: Did you try switching to XAA? |
| 00:40.09 | mordy_ | what's that? |
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| 00:40.14 | mordy_ | !xaa |
| 00:40.22 | hobophobe | Setting preferences.fdi properly let it automount for me |
| 00:40.37 | Wyzard | hobophobe: What did you need to change? |
| 00:40.47 | Wyzard | hobophobe: usb-storage devices should have those flags set correctly by default, afaik |
| 00:40.52 | Nyle | hmm |
| 00:40.59 | Nyle | bug was filed yesterday, no updates so far |
| 00:41.02 | gravity | mordy_: Check the intel(4) manpage and look at the "AccelMethod" option |
| 00:41.09 | gravity | mordy_: You can set that in your xorg.conf and give it a try |
| 00:41.19 | mordy_ | hmm... let me see |
| 00:41.24 | gravity | mordy_: EXA is the default, but it can cause minor issues for some people |
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| 00:41.38 | Nyle | ahhh, apt-listbugs uses ruby and libxml |
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| 00:41.46 | Nyle | did not know that |
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| 00:41.52 | hobophobe | the /etc/hal/fdi/policy/preferences.fdi file had a whole block commented out where 'match key="storage.hotpluggable" bool="false">.... so I uncommented and set the ones you mentioned to true. |
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| 00:42.40 | alphaman1101 | How do i install sendmail, ive tryed apt-get install sendmail and its got dependency errors that can't be resoves |
| 00:42.41 | Wyzard | hobophobe: That's commented out for me too, and USB drives work fine |
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| 00:42.55 | Nyle | sendmail sucks anyway, too insecure |
| 00:42.58 | Wyzard | hobophobe: That block is for *suppressing* automounting of non-removable devices |
| 00:42.59 | Nyle | its notorious for vuln. |
| 00:43.03 | hobophobe | oh |
| 00:43.07 | hobophobe | hmm.. |
| 00:43.07 | mordy_ | gravity hmm... i never even knew this manpage existed. i'll see what i can do. |
| 00:43.10 | mordy_ | reads |
| 00:43.13 | Nyle | alphaman1101, consider another mailer |
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| 00:43.46 | gravity | mordy_: The EXA to XAA switch might do well for you. Performance issues started popping up with EXA way back, and I don't think they're really all resolved yet |
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| 00:43.57 | alphaman1101 | Nyle, joomla only accepts three of them, for some reason php mail() isnt working ether my last resort is smtp which all i have is gmail and i dont know how that would work |
| 00:44.12 | hobophobe | ah, it didn't mount it, it just made it show up in nautilus |
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| 00:44.46 | Nyle | alphaman1101, use gmail's smtp server? |
| 00:44.53 | richizo | help |
| 00:44.56 | richizo | :P |
| 00:45.10 | Wyzard | gravity: Wasn't EXA supposed to *improve* performance? :-) |
| 00:45.12 | alphaman1101 | Nyle, yeah but it only does it by ssl and it sould like from what ive read going to be hard to get to work |
| 00:45.14 | Nyle | I would rather not use sendmail, but if you want you can... pastebin your dependency issues while trying to install it please |
| 00:45.18 | Nyle | alphaman1101, ^^ |
| 00:45.24 | hobophobe | I'm still confused, then. Gonna take a look at the plugdev group.. |
| 00:45.31 | abrotman | buluca: thank you for trying |
| 00:45.37 | Wyzard | hobophobe: You do need to be in plugdev |
| 00:45.53 | gravity | Wyzard: In theory, yeah :-) |
| 00:45.59 | gravity | Wyzard: It's been... disappointing |
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| 00:46.25 | Wyzard | gravity: but that was for accelerating 2D compositing, which got overtaken by OpenGL-based compositing |
| 00:46.52 | gravity | Wyzard: Well, sorta. It's meant to map closely to Render semantics, rather than the old X core drawing model |
| 00:46.55 | buluca | abrotman: :) |
| 00:46.55 | hobophobe | apparently I am, but the gnome users-admin tool didn't list it for some reason while /etc/group does |
| 00:46.57 | Wyzard | ah |
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| 00:47.06 | Wyzard | Well, accelerating Renter is what I guess I should've said |
| 00:47.16 | Wyzard | but newer compositing managers don't use Render anyway |
| 00:47.22 | gravity | Wyzard: If you accelerate Render effectively, you accelerate apps that use things like Cairo to draw. Then you win because you get accelerated Porter-Duff operations, etc |
| 00:47.30 | abrotman | buluca: and now he timed out .. lovely .. |
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| 00:48.01 | buluca | abrotman: hope he sleeps well ;) |
| 00:48.03 | gravity | Wyzard: So you really want to accelerate both. GL-based compositing is awesome of course, but you want to accelerate drawing too |
| 00:48.07 | abrotman | buluca: thanks agin |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | again |
| 00:48.15 | Nyle | !buluca++ |
| 00:48.19 | abrotman | aleeexfranci: thanks to you too |
| 00:48.32 | Wyzard | gravity: hmm, OK... I guess Render acceleration helps for drawing *into* windows, even when the windows themselves are offscreen pixmaps being composited by the 3D engine |
| 00:48.43 | gravity | Wyzard: Exactly |
| 00:49.13 | gravity | Wyzard: There's something to be said for just accelerating OpenGL, and having OpenGL be your drawing backend. That was the idea behind the glitz cairo backend. It's just not really done yet. |
| 00:49.32 | Wyzard | gravity: yeah, I was about to say that... seems silly to still use the legacy 2D engine for anything |
| 00:49.41 | gravity | Wyzard: At that point, I don't personally understand the details enough to judge which is the better idea, although I would like to see a mature glitz to at least give us the option |
| 00:50.01 | Wyzard | yeah |
| 00:50.06 | alphaman1101 | Nyle i had to install sendmail-bin to get sendmail to work... wierd |
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| 00:50.23 | gravity | Wyzard: Well, Render is a pretty good drawing model in some senses. It does seem to be difficult to accelerate effectively though. I'm not sure what the real cure for that is. Apple seems to do Ok with it, since Quartz's drawing model is postscript-like as well |
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| 00:50.38 | JediatNight | is away: Gone away for now. |
| 00:50.52 | amit||away | is back. |
| 00:50.53 | Wyzard | Interestingly, I've read that Apple's "Quartz 2D" (analogous to Cairo, I believe) has support for using OpenGL rather than plain 2D drawing, but it's currently disabled for some reason |
| 00:51.17 | gravity | Wyzard: OpenGL doesn't map well to modern 3d cards anyway, so you still have to do some internal transformations. I'm hoping that the stuff the Tungsten guys are working on will get us there |
| 00:51.25 | Wyzard | Tungsten? |
| 00:51.29 | gravity | Wyzard: Ah, I didn't know that, interesting |
| 00:51.35 | gravity | Wyzard: Yeah, where the mesa guys all work |
| 00:51.39 | Wyzard | ah |
| 00:51.55 | Wyzard | so you're thinking of a different graphics API besides OpenGL? |
| 00:52.05 | gravity | They're working on Gallium |
| 00:52.23 | gravity | Well, Gallium would work as a sort of mid-level backend to the OpenGL implementation |
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| 00:52.34 | Wyzard | ok |
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| 00:52.55 | Wyzard | but could theoretically be implemented to go directly to the hardware, I hope |
| 00:52.56 | abrotman | !tell JediatNight about away |
| 00:52.56 | gravity | It's an insanely deep and complicated structure. I barely understand it in outline, let alone how it actually works :-) |
| 00:53.01 | gravity | Yeah, hopefully |
| 00:53.23 | JediatNight | abrotman : what does that mean? |
| 00:54.00 | Wyzard | I'm hoping to see the GPU doing things like on-the-fly font rasterization in the future |
| 00:54.04 | JediatNight | gotcha.. I ll remove the away message |
| 00:54.18 | gravity | Wyzard: That'd be cool. |
| 00:54.21 | Nyle | goes away |
| 00:54.24 | Nyle | hehe |
| 00:54.40 | Wyzard | I've seen a paper on doing that in Direct3D with pixel shaders, and the same can probably be done in OpenGL, but the paper was from Microsoft Research so the technique is probably patented |
| 00:54.42 | mordy_ | gravity - tried it, but the X log says that it's still using EXA |
| 00:54.42 | gravity | Wyzard: There's a lot of things I'd like to see the GPU doing, although not until we've nailed down reasonable quality drivers |
| 00:54.55 | gravity | mordy_: You restarted X? |
| 00:54.59 | mordy_ | yes |
| 00:55.05 | gravity | mordy_: How? |
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| 00:55.19 | Wyzard | but it's sort of kluging D3D into doing things it wasn't really designed for |
| 00:55.34 | gravity | Wyzard: Gallium will hopefully provide some of the low level infrastructure. On the fly compilation via llvm |
| 00:55.37 | mordy_ | gravity - ctl+alt+bckspc |
| 00:55.38 | gravity | It seems cool |
| 00:55.49 | Wyzard | nifty |
| 00:55.50 | gravity | mordy_: Ok, can you put your xorg.conf in a pastebin somewhere? |
| 00:56.03 | mordy_ | ok |
| 00:56.18 | Wyzard | Hopefully it'll gain enough momentum for nVidia and ATI to implement it in their drivers, though that seems like a big hurdle |
| 00:56.30 | jetscreamer | long as you're there, does the radeon driver has support for tv out? |
| 00:56.43 | jetscreamer | s/has/have/ |
| 00:56.44 | gravity | jetscreamer: I think it does these days |
| 00:56.50 | jetscreamer | thx |
| 00:56.56 | gravity | Gatos stuff got merged in a while back by Alex |
| 00:57.00 | abrotman | thought jetscreamer sold his soul to nvidia |
| 00:57.06 | abrotman | yay i merged stuff! |
| 00:57.10 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:57.13 | gravity | heh |
| 00:57.35 | jetscreamer | abrotman: i did, when the tnt1 came out. this radeon was a pull |
| 00:57.44 | abrotman | oh |
| 00:57.50 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 00:58.02 | Nyle | jetscreamer has a soul? |
| 00:58.08 | Nyle | thats news |
| 00:58.25 | mordy_ | gravity - http://rafb.net/p/ZAMemX40.html |
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| 00:58.31 | Hammar | i am having trouble getting the (Hauppauge) DSR-0095 IR-remote to work: dib0700: Unknown remote controller key: 1D 24 1 0 any suggestions? |
| 00:58.37 | Hammar | damn, wrong channel, sorry |
| 00:58.50 | gravity | mordy_: Your xorg.conf? |
| 00:58.54 | s3a | is there any way to use debian etch stable to uprgrade to lenny unstable? |
| 00:59.01 | Nyle | !etch->lenny |
| 00:59.04 | jetscreamer | well i used to, till i sold it for 100 shares of nvda |
| 00:59.04 | mordy_ | ok... |
| 00:59.10 | hobophobe | I think it's somehow misclassifying as a scsi device, or something else is misclassifying as the device in gnome-device-manager doesn't show any of the storage properties like my regular drives do |
| 00:59.11 | gravity | lenny isn't unstable |
| 00:59.12 | jetscreamer | should have gone goog |
| 00:59.18 | Nyle | dpkg, ping |
| 00:59.18 | dpkg | pong |
| 00:59.31 | Nyle | jetscreamer, nvidia is no good anymore |
| 00:59.37 | Nyle | jetscreamer, they might be if they opened some stuff |
| 00:59.42 | Corwin | I don't get all these silly toy story alias names... |
| 00:59.44 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I think I'll stick with ati from now on |
| 01:00.08 | Nyle | you'd rather have the stupid moronic names ubuntu gives? |
| 01:00.18 | Nyle | hurdy hedghog or some such shit |
| 01:00.23 | Corwin | I refer to the latest ubuntu as hard herion |
| 01:00.24 | jetscreamer | feisty fawn... now that's metal in your face |
| 01:00.28 | Nyle | floxy flueter |
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| 01:00.39 | Corwin | those are even worse |
| 01:00.43 | Nyle | crazy rhyming names that sound like a 2 year old came up with em |
| 01:00.44 | mordy_ | gravity - http://rafb.net/p/ClltyF39.html - before you comment, the FB option, modules, DPMS were added recently (about an hour ago) - but didn't change anything |
| 01:00.44 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:00.53 | Wyzard | hobophobe: It's normal for USB disks to appear as SCSI disks -- that's the interface that the usb-storage driver implements |
| 01:01.04 | s3a | Nyle Hardy Heron* |
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| 01:01.08 | gravity | mordy_: Where's the AccelMethod option? |
| 01:01.12 | Nyle | I am aware, I'm making fun of it ;) |
| 01:01.14 | gravity | mordy_: That's what you need to enable XAA |
| 01:01.19 | jetscreamer | programmers are childish, where have you been? |
| 01:01.22 | Nyle | I love toy story |
| 01:01.22 | mordy_ | hmm... i thought i put it in there |
| 01:01.24 | mordy_ | gah |
| 01:01.27 | Wyzard | hobophobe: In gnome-device-manager you should see a "USB Mass Storage Interface", and under that a "SCSI Host Adapter", and under that a "SCSI Device", and under that a "Mass Storage Drive" |
| 01:01.27 | Corwin | But the real debian names are all we need: Expirimental, Unstable, Testing |
| 01:01.28 | Nyle | !toy story |
| 01:01.29 | dpkg | toy story is, like, The release names for the Debian distribution are named after characters from "Toy Story", the computer-animated movie. buzz == 1.1, rex == 1.2, bo == 1.3, hamm == 2.0, slink == 2.1, potato == 2.2, woody == 3.0, sarge == 3.1, etch == 4.0, or ask me about <release history>, or <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>, or sid used to be the version used for newly-ported arch'es, but now it's unstable |
| 01:01.32 | s3a | Nyle: lol im actually using that atm cuz i ruined my etch installation |
| 01:01.33 | gravity | mordy_: You can junk the whole "module" section too. It's useless |
| 01:01.44 | gravity | gyah, fbdev? |
| 01:01.45 | gravity | Really? |
| 01:01.51 | Wyzard | hobophobe: The "SCSI Device" only has scsi properties, and the "Mass Storage Drive" has all the storage properties |
| 01:02.02 | mordy_ | gravity - doh #-o |
| 01:02.05 | gravity | mordy_: fbdev is your problem |
| 01:02.17 | gravity | mordy_: Are you on x86? |
| 01:02.19 | hobophobe | Wyzard, I see USB Mass Storage -> SCSI Host Adapter -> SCSI Device -> SCSI Generic Interface instead |
| 01:02.24 | gravity | Or amd64? |
| 01:02.24 | mordy_ | yes |
| 01:02.29 | Nyle | Corwin, yes, but stable can be many diff ones |
| 01:02.30 | gravity | mordy_: Yeah, get rid of fbdev. Don't use it. |
| 01:02.36 | mordy_ | gravity -x86 |
| 01:02.40 | gravity | mordy_: That's almost certainly your problem. Not EXA |
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| 01:02.48 | Wyzard | hobophobe: I have that too, under the "SCSI Device", as a sibling of the "Mass Storage Drive" |
| 01:02.56 | gravity | Oh, wait... your log says it's not being used |
| 01:02.57 | Nyle | Corwin, whenever a new debian is stablized, its given a toystory character name, and thats it, and the stable currently becomes 'oldstable' |
| 01:03.04 | Corwin | Nyle: hmm.. I've never run "stable". |
| 01:03.07 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Do you not have the usb-storage module loaded? |
| 01:03.08 | gravity | mordy_: Disable the fbdev shit anyway. then enable XAA instead of EXA |
| 01:03.10 | abrotman | it gets the name before being stable |
| 01:03.11 | mordy_ | ok... i just put that fbdev line about an hour ago - but the problems i've been having existed from the moment i installed debina |
| 01:03.13 | mordy_ | hehe ok |
| 01:03.14 | Nyle | Corwin, sounds like a personal problem to me |
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| 01:03.21 | Nyle | abrotman, I was about to get to the testing bit |
| 01:03.22 | deus___ | gn8, bye. |
| 01:03.43 | Corwin | Nyle: maybe, I've just been happy with testing for many many years |
| 01:03.44 | hobophobe | Wyzard, yes |
| 01:03.49 | Nyle | Corwin, wimp |
| 01:03.50 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:03.59 | Nyle | Corwin, /me been runnin' sid for 7 years nonstop |
| 01:04.09 | Nyle | 1 time I fucked up, logged into the wrong machine and wiped it clean |
| 01:04.11 | jetscreamer | i ran stable |
| 01:04.13 | gravity | mordy_: Get rid of the crap you added. It's really not helping. |
| 01:04.15 | jetscreamer | it was called woody |
| 01:04.16 | Nyle | so only 1 reinstall in 7 years on my sid |
| 01:04.23 | Wyzard | hobophobe: Check dmesg... I get some messages from usb-storage when I plug in a flash drive |
| 01:04.26 | Corwin | Nyle: I have no clue what sid maps to |
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| 01:04.32 | Nyle | Corwin, unstable |
| 01:04.34 | jetscreamer | un |
| 01:04.55 | Corwin | I think when I started it was called potato or woody |
| 01:04.57 | Nyle | otherwise known as Still In Development |
| 01:05.04 | Wyzard | hobophobe: "usb-storage: device found at 88", "usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning", "usb-storage: device scan complete" |
| 01:05.06 | jetscreamer | i remember yo udoing that nyle |
| 01:05.07 | abrotman | no |
| 01:05.08 | Nyle | also named after the kid girl who is mean and breaks stuff all the time |
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| 01:05.14 | Nyle | jetscreamer, yeh |
| 01:05.14 | jetscreamer | og i erased my box |
| 01:05.18 | jetscreamer | omg |
| 01:05.22 | Nyle | jetscreamer, yeh, i got high AND drunk |
| 01:05.24 | gravity | Nyle: It's not a girl |
| 01:05.25 | Nyle | thats what did it |
| 01:05.27 | gravity | Sid is a boy |
| 01:05.27 | Corwin | When I want something newer I use apt-get install -t unstable |
| 01:05.31 | Wyzard | hobophobe: followed by some SCSI messages as the disk device (presented by the usb-storage driver) is recognized |
| 01:05.32 | Nyle | gravity, oh.. been too long |
| 01:05.36 | gravity | And "still in development" is a backronym |
| 01:05.41 | hobophobe | Wyzard, yes, it has similar and then goes 'scsi 25:0:0:0: Direct-Access ... a bunch of yes |
| 01:06.05 | hobophobe | Wyzard, and then it says 'attached SCSI removable disk' and 'Attached scsi generic sg4 type 0' |
| 01:06.12 | Wyzard | hobophobe: so the device is recognized by your kernel, it sounds like... and that makes sense since you said you can mount it |
| 01:06.16 | Nyle | !sid |
| 01:06.17 | dpkg | it has been said that sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 01:06.27 | Wyzard | hobophobe: but for some reason HAL isn't recognizing the usb-storage device |
| 01:06.47 | Corwin | so sid === unstable |
| 01:06.53 | Nyle | that is correct |
| 01:07.15 | Nyle | even sid if kinda not bleeding edge enough |
| 01:07.16 | jetscreamer | ah. so when you d/l say dvd1.iso of stable, are the security updates incorporated into the build of the .iso, or do you need to address that seperately |
| 01:07.27 | Nyle | mostly just build things I like from svn or git |
| 01:07.43 | mordy_ | gravity - with all the crap disabled and XAA, i think it's even worse :( |
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| 01:07.47 | Corwin | I've run unstable on machines in the past |
| 01:08.01 | Corwin | seems more stable than other distros |
| 01:08.07 | gravity | gyah |
| 01:08.09 | Nyle | its not as bad, just that no one will support you if you're a newb |
| 01:08.15 | gravity | mordy_: Ok, that's not good. |
| 01:08.19 | jetscreamer | sid's borkage mostly comes via the updates |
| 01:08.26 | gravity | mordy_: I think you should file a bug against xserver-xorg-video-intel |
| 01:08.26 | Nyle | though if you know wtf your on about, you could ask sid questions and people will try to help |
| 01:08.38 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: The isos are updated every few months to reflect updated packages, mostly security stuff |
| 01:08.38 | Nyle | but we can usually tell when its an experienced user becuase of how they ask the questions |
| 01:08.46 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: That's the 4.0r0, 4.0r1, etc. |
| 01:08.52 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: so .. yeah that ok thanks |
| 01:08.55 | Corwin | usually any apt breakage mostly goes away after a day or two |
| 01:08.59 | gravity | mordy_: Let me make sure it won't be a duplicate |
| 01:09.04 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 01:09.11 | Wyzard | jetscreamer: but when you install there'll typically be some additional updates which need to be downloaded |
| 01:09.11 | mordy_ | i'm using 915GM |
| 01:09.19 | Nyle | jetscreamer, so what you working with now? nvidia or ati? |
| 01:09.34 | jetscreamer | Wyzard: it has a modem i think :) |
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| 01:09.43 | jetscreamer | nyle, not sure: some celeron based pos |
| 01:09.48 | Nyle | ah |
| 01:09.50 | jetscreamer | p2 celly |
| 01:09.52 | Nyle | intel onboard I guess |
| 01:09.59 | Nyle | p2? |
| 01:10.00 | jetscreamer | older |
| 01:10.00 | Nyle | goddamn |
| 01:10.11 | jetscreamer | it's a church |
| 01:10.15 | jetscreamer | 's |
| 01:10.18 | Nyle | ahh |
| 01:10.24 | gravity | mordy_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=480689 |
| 01:10.27 | Nyle | you go to church too? |
| 01:10.28 | Nyle | damn |
| 01:10.29 | jetscreamer | their hd died |
| 01:10.32 | gravity | mordy_: There's some config options in there that might help you :-\ |
| 01:10.34 | jetscreamer | click of death |
| 01:10.39 | gravity | mordy_: If not, definitely report the bug |
| 01:10.42 | jetscreamer | no, i know somwbody who works at one |
| 01:10.44 | Nyle | dead motor |
| 01:10.57 | mordy_ | ok, looking at it |
| 01:11.15 | jetscreamer | i have to give 260 bucks to a charity (instead of pay a fine) so i'm working it off :) |
| 01:11.27 | mordy_ | gravity, the performance change is a bit interesting |
| 01:11.31 | Nyle | heh, drunk driving again |
| 01:11.32 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:11.42 | jetscreamer | no i haven't dont that in 20 years |
| 01:11.45 | jetscreamer | :/ |
| 01:11.52 | jetscreamer | s/dont/done/ |
| 01:11.58 | mordy_ | gravity, the response time is longer, but the actual choppiness is slightly less |
| 01:12.02 | jetscreamer | ran a red light |
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| 01:12.06 | Nyle | ouch |
| 01:12.07 | mordy_ | does that make sense? |
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| 01:12.29 | jetscreamer | it was really yellow! (when i started) |
| 01:12.40 | jetscreamer | course i started waaay back |
| 01:12.52 | Nyle | hey, I have a 250gb ext3, with 20% noncontiguous |
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| 01:12.55 | Nyle | does one need to defrag ext3? |
| 01:13.06 | jetscreamer | supposedly not, but there it is |
| 01:13.08 | ProN00b | how do i view a crashdump ? |
| 01:13.18 | jello | ProN00b: you mean a core file? |
| 01:13.22 | jello | with gdb |
| 01:13.29 | ProN00b | yes, how ? |
| 01:13.39 | jello | gdb <program> core |
| 01:13.46 | gravity | mordy_: A little. It's a weird bug. I'd try the config options in that bug report and if they don't work then definitely report the bug using the reportbug (not reportbug-ng) program |
| 01:13.48 | jello | then do bt |
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| 01:14.07 | jello | ProN00b: the manpage will give you more info no doubt |
| 01:14.18 | Wyzard | Nyle: ext3 is designed to be resistant to fragmentation, but 20% is pretty fragmented |
| 01:14.25 | mordy_ | hehe, i wouldn't know the difference. i've never filed a bug report before |
| 01:14.30 | jetscreamer | lol@not-reportbugNG |
| 01:14.30 | Nyle | Wyzard, I download 10 torretns at a time |
| 01:14.42 | Wyzard | Nyle: Unfortunately, there's no working defrag tool (there's a package called "defrag", but it causes corruption on current ext3 filesystems) |
| 01:14.43 | Nyle | Wyzard, complete seasons of tv shows movies pics albums etc. etc. |
| 01:15.03 | Wyzard | Nyle: Configure your torrent client to allocate entire file up-front to avoid that problem |
| 01:15.06 | jetscreamer | all my warez is protected by jfs baybee |
| 01:15.08 | Nyle | Wyzard, oh they can do that? |
| 01:15.09 | Nyle | no shit |
| 01:15.19 | Wyzard | Nyle: rather than creating a sparse file and then writing blocks as they're received (which means they get allocated over the course of hours rather than minutes) |
| 01:15.25 | jetscreamer | yeah they can |
| 01:15.25 | gravity | jetscreamer: don't even get me started... |
| 01:15.25 | jetscreamer | afk |
| 01:15.25 | Wyzard | Nyle: Azureus can; no idea about others |
| 01:15.28 | Nyle | I am using deluge |
| 01:15.30 | Nyle | and yes |
| 01:15.31 | Nyle | it can |
| 01:15.35 | Nyle | wow, thanks Wyzard |
| 01:15.42 | Nyle | !Wyzard++ |
| 01:15.45 | Wyzard | Nyle: ext4 is supposed to have a defrag tool |
| 01:16.01 | Nyle | Wyzard, ext3 can be converted to 4?> |
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| 01:16.11 | Nyle | !ext4 |
| 01:16.11 | dpkg | hmm... ext4 is a filesystem that is backward compatible with <ext3>, but also adds new features such as support for volumes up to 1 exabyte (1024 petabytes) and added extent support. Currently not supported by e2fsprogs (see bug #425477). |
| 01:16.15 | Wyzard | Nyle: and you can defrag your ext3 by doing a backup and restore, or just make a copy of each file and then delete the original |
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| 01:16.28 | Nyle | Wyzard, I'll just move em to another disk |
| 01:16.39 | Nyle | Wyzard, ~/temp is a 250gb for downloads anyway |
| 01:16.42 | Wyzard | Nyle: yes, though there are some enhancements that you can only get by creating a new filesystem |
| 01:16.48 | Nyle | Wyzard, ~/Downloads is a 750gb |
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| 01:17.00 | Nyle | I usually copy everything there to avoid fragmentation |
| 01:17.06 | Nyle | but now I will try the torrent option from now on |
| 01:17.06 | Wyzard | That's a good plan |
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| 01:18.44 | Nyle | downloading 90gb worth torrentsh |
| 01:18.45 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:18.57 | Nyle | thousands of files |
| 01:19.20 | Nyle | Wyzard, so if i use full alocation of torrent on start, I can just then save directly to ~/Downloads |
| 01:19.25 | Nyle | instead of having to move it? |
| 01:19.31 | Wyzard | probably, yes |
| 01:19.35 | Nyle | cool |
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| 01:20.11 | Nyle | everything will be done when i wake up tomorrow |
| 01:20.20 | Nyle | 14 horus to get 90gb isn't bad |
| 01:20.33 | Nyle | I usually get 1100kB/s |
| 01:20.33 | Tr0gdor | nyle thats quick |
| 01:21.11 | Nyle | but it depends Tr0gdor becasue the torrents are going really fast right now, but thats not guaranteed, they fluctuate |
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| 01:21.40 | Nyle | it might take 20 hours or more or maybe just 15-16, who knows. I certainly dont' know |
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| 01:23.21 | mordy_ | gravity - so far i'm happy by the discovery of "glxgears" - i'll add that to my 'speeddial' |
| 01:23.27 | Nyle | 40gb Fraiser full seasons + extras, 29GB futurama full seasons + movie, few trilogy movie sets like back to the future, etc. etc. totalling 90gb |
| 01:24.03 | Nyle | mordy_, you know about glxinfo? |
| 01:24.21 | mordy_ | nyle - hmm... |
| 01:24.22 | Nyle | mordy_, whats your driver? |
| 01:24.29 | Nyle | radeon or fglrx? |
| 01:24.44 | Nyle | (i thought youwere using ati) |
| 01:24.47 | mordy_ | this one is intel |
| 01:24.53 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:24.53 | mordy_ | nyle, different computer ;) |
| 01:25.12 | Nyle | what do you do in israel? |
| 01:25.16 | Nyle | besides live there |
| 01:25.20 | mordy_ | hehe, dropout |
| 01:25.21 | Nyle | you admin? or program? |
| 01:25.25 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:25.40 | mordy_ | meh, i used to program a while back - |
| 01:25.44 | mordy_ | but nothing serious |
| 01:25.56 | Nyle | mordy_, you wanna help in debian? |
| 01:26.07 | Nyle | mordy_, /msg dpkg wnpp |
| 01:26.45 | Nyle | I'm advertising for "adopt-a-package" foundation |
| 01:26.48 | Nyle | hehe :) |
| 01:27.09 | mordy_ | meh, i don't see what i can help with - whatever i knew then is pretty much forgotten |
| 01:27.17 | mordy_ | trying to learn some more stuff now, though |
| 01:27.22 | Nyle | its just a hobby for me |
| 01:27.36 | Nyle | I been doin linux since 94 but just playign around with it, I don't do much else |
| 01:27.49 | Nyle | I do windows for my money making |
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| 01:28.33 | Nyle | !smc |
| 01:28.34 | dpkg | it has been said that smc is the Self-Made Critic at http://www.brunching.com/selfmade/ Secret Maryo Chronicles is an Open Source two-dimensional platform game with a style designed similar to classic sidescroller games. which utilizes the platform independent libray, SDL and since Version 0.98 with the OpenGL accelerated Graphics Renderer developed in C++. http://www.secretmaryo.org/, or <SMC Networks> |
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| 01:28.57 | mordy_ | hehe, i was in diapers back then, or just out of them |
| 01:29.04 | Nyle | hahaha |
| 01:29.19 | Nyle | cute |
| 01:29.54 | mordy_ | gah, how do i get glxgears on this computer? i.e. the one i'm using now? |
| 01:30.01 | Nyle | mesa-utils |
| 01:30.04 | mordy_ | oh |
| 01:30.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:30.29 | Nyle | mordy_, install apt-file; man apt-file |
| 01:30.37 | mordy_ | found it |
| 01:31.12 | mordy_ | hah! this computer isn't even using glx and it works just fine. but the other computer is ahving problems |
| 01:31.27 | mordy_ | now how do i file a bug report? just add my name to that list? |
| 01:31.34 | Nyle | install reportbug |
| 01:31.38 | Nyle | !reportbug |
| 01:31.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, reportbug is used to submit bugs to the Debian <BTS>. Install reportbug, then run reportbug. Or on the web, http://www.debian.org/Bugs/, or see http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html for some general info about using reportbug and/or for <debian-installer> bug reporting |
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| 01:32.41 | abrotman | file a bug? |
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| 01:34.31 | Nyle | is there any software way of lowering HDD temp? |
| 01:34.50 | Nyle | is it possible to make something spin lower rpm than 7200? |
| 01:34.58 | abrotman | spin it down ? |
| 01:35.06 | Nyle | something like throttling |
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| 01:35.09 | Nyle | I'm not sure, anything |
| 01:36.10 | Nyle | abrotman, isnt' that used to hibernate or something |
| 01:36.16 | mordy_ | abrotman - yes - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=480689 - |
| 01:36.19 | Nyle | I want the hdd in use but throttle the speed a bit |
| 01:36.25 | mordy_ | how do i "continue" the thread:? |
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| 01:36.45 | abrotman | mordy_: send to bug#@bugs.debian.org |
| 01:36.56 | mordy_ | ahh |
| 01:37.15 | mordy_ | that's better than filing a new bug report, i gather |
| 01:37.25 | Nyle | btw, having compiz-confusion on all the time, does that keep the graphics card in 3d mode all the time? |
| 01:38.19 | Nyle | meaning the fan comes on, it uses higher clock rates etc. than 2d mode |
| 01:38.21 | gravity | mordy_: That's not really the same bug if you use XAA and still have troubles. That bug report is really about EXA being slow |
| 01:38.31 | mordy_ | oh |
| 01:38.31 | Nyle | gravity, do you know by anychance? |
| 01:38.35 | Nyle | you da X man |
| 01:38.38 | gravity | Nyle: What? |
| 01:38.45 | Nyle | , having compiz-confusion on all the time, does that keep the graphics card in 3d mode all the time? |
| 01:39.09 | gravity | Nyle: I don't really know what that means. The card is always in 3d mode. 2d in modern cards is just a special case of 3d |
| 01:39.19 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:39.37 | Nyle | I thought it worked in 2d mode, and switched to 3d if you start a 3d game or program or something that needs to use 3d accel |
| 01:39.39 | gravity | It's just how the card works |
| 01:39.42 | mordy_ | brb |
| 01:39.47 | tyler | hey, what package includes 'make'? |
| 01:39.48 | jetscreamer | Nyle: and that chruchbox has winme on it :/ |
| 01:40.09 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 01:40.09 | dpkg | it has been said that build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 01:40.12 | Nyle | tyler, make |
| 01:40.18 | gravity | Nyle: Well, compiz utilizes drm and dri to draw stuff via OpenGL, which is probably what you mean. In which case, "yes", although it's more complicated than tat |
| 01:40.25 | tyler | thanks! |
| 01:40.32 | Nyle | tyler, do what jetscreamer says |
| 01:40.35 | jetscreamer | be should do the job right? |
| 01:40.39 | Nyle | tyler, apt-get install build-essential |
| 01:40.43 | tyler | yeah |
| 01:40.48 | Nyle | jetscreamer, not at all |
| 01:40.56 | Nyle | jetscreamer, have some mercy on thier christian souls |
| 01:41.04 | Nyle | would ya pleae, get rid of that ME crap |
| 01:41.14 | jetscreamer | Nyle: dual booting lenny should do it eh |
| 01:41.24 | Nyle | eh |
| 01:41.28 | jetscreamer | i can't but i can offer an alternative |
| 01:41.29 | Nyle | why not etch |
| 01:41.46 | jetscreamer | because lenny will be stable soon, and etch if like old |
| 01:41.52 | jetscreamer | and they have a modem only |
| 01:41.55 | Nyle | i guess |
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| 01:42.18 | jetscreamer | s/if/is/ |
| 01:42.20 | Nyle | jetscreamer, remembe to refer to it as 'lenny' in sources.list not as 'testing' |
| 01:42.26 | jetscreamer | right |
| 01:42.34 | Nyle | jetscreamer, as soon as lenny goes stable, you'll be fucked |
| 01:42.35 | Nyle | otherwise |
| 01:42.38 | jetscreamer | been there |
| 01:42.41 | Nyle | hehe |
| 01:43.08 | jetscreamer | is d/l'ing all 5 .iso's atm |
| 01:43.26 | Nyle | in fact, doesn't the d-i create a sources.list using stable/testing/unstable instead of using names |
| 01:43.27 | mordy_ | hehe, how do i rate this bug? |
| 01:43.32 | abrotman | not as soon as |
| 01:43.48 | Nyle | pretty much |
| 01:44.08 | Nyle | if he upgrades while having testing, he will switch to testing instead of lenny, it will have the new testing |
| 01:44.17 | Nyle | so pretty much as soon as the mirrors are updated and he upgrades |
| 01:44.18 | Nyle | hes fucked |
| 01:44.25 | owen1 | how to mount my shuffle? do i need to add a line to fstab? i used to type sudo mount /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700114C7EF1 /media/shuffle/ but from some reason i get this message now: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 01:44.29 | abrotman | whatever |
| 01:44.51 | jetscreamer | mount -t <filesystem> blahblah |
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| 01:45.12 | Pavlz | hello |
| 01:45.22 | abrotman | !it |
| 01:45.22 | dpkg | i guess #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 01:45.25 | Pavlz | i have not solved the problem |
| 01:45.39 | mordy_ | choppy graphics are a pain in the ass for me, but i don't know how to rate it in bugreport |
| 01:45.41 | mordy_ | :( |
| 01:45.46 | Pavlz | but i am downloading from the italian ftp |
| 01:45.54 | Nyle | argh |
| 01:45.59 | Pavlz | connection is very low |
| 01:46.06 | Nyle | where is that document i bookmarked that explains bug severity |
| 01:46.15 | Nyle | I can't never find shit when I'm lookin for it |
| 01:46.15 | abrotman | bugs.debian.org ? |
| 01:46.45 | abrotman | http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Developer#severities |
| 01:47.14 | Nyle | found it |
| 01:47.18 | Nyle | it was on my laptops browser |
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| 01:48.08 | Nyle | you probably want normal |
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| 01:48.21 | Nyle | Pavlz, well at least you're downloading |
| 01:48.49 | Nyle | Pavlz, have you tried a different dns server? maybe opends? try to see if you can get to cdimages.debian.net or whatever |
| 01:48.52 | Nyle | .org |
| 01:48.55 | Nyle | Pavlz, join #debian-it |
| 01:49.13 | Nyle | buluca, i think you maybe needed again |
| 01:49.36 | Nyle | eats a yellow skittle |
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| 01:49.58 | Pavlz | i searched on my router d-link dsl g624t and there was enabled firewall and prints(m_igmp);IGMP Proxy/Snooping i dasable, i tried to disable nat, but if i disable on the router nat, router des not etablis any connection |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 01:50.13 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:50.24 | buluca | Nyle: hi! |
| 01:50.26 | Nyle | every router whcih is not ipv6 purely uses nat |
| 01:50.32 | Nyle | every router is a nat rouer |
| 01:50.42 | Nyle | as yo uwill not find pure ipv6 routers |
| 01:50.43 | Pavlz | rourer ? |
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| 01:50.48 | Nyle | router* |
| 01:50.57 | buluca | Pavlz: ma tu venire su #debian-it no... ti fa schifo? :-D |
| 01:51.15 | Pavlz | :-) |
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| 01:51.52 | Pavlz | a little, debian-it bad experience |
| 01:52.01 | Pavlz | no one reply |
| 01:52.03 | owen1 | how to mount my shuffle? do i need to add a line to fstab? i used to type sudo mount /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700114C7EF1 /media/shuffle/ but from some reason i get this message now: mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 01:52.13 | Nyle | !gtkpod |
| 01:52.14 | dpkg | gtkpod is probably a free, open source software project hosted at Sourceforge and published under the GNU General Public License. It provides a graphical user interface that enables users of Linux and other Unix operating systems to transfer audio files onto their iPod, iPod nano, iPod shuffle, iPod photo or iPod mini music players. Although it does not support the same advanced media/jukebox capabilities that iTunes has, gtkpod is, in essence, an ... |
| 01:52.18 | Nyle | owen1, ^^ |
| 01:52.23 | Nyle | owen1, or amarok in #kde |
| 01:52.25 | Nyle | er.. |
| 01:52.28 | Nyle | -# |
| 01:52.34 | Pavlz | to mount what ? |
| 01:52.40 | Nyle | ipod shuffle |
| 01:52.48 | owen1 | Nyle: i don't have a gui. |
| 01:52.51 | Pavlz | ah, on the g624t there is GNU/linux |
| 01:53.14 | Nyle | owen1, try -t vfat? |
| 01:53.20 | Nyle | I have no idea what fs ipods use |
| 01:53.33 | Pavlz | are enabled by default tftp, telnet, ssh |
| 01:53.55 | Pavlz | ipod shuffle is little |
| 01:53.59 | Nyle | tiny |
| 01:54.00 | Corwin | I think window ipods use fat32, mac ipods use hfs |
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| 01:54.33 | opensrcguru | tood bad they don't use ufs or something of the likening.....its good enough for mac os, but not for the ipod ;( |
| 01:54.34 | Nyle | you can use an ipod on either windows or mac |
| 01:54.36 | Pavlz | if you want i give you my ipod nano color white 1gb |
| 01:54.48 | Pavlz | so you can mount lipod |
| 01:54.59 | abrotman | Pavlz: do you have a Debian question ? |
| 01:55.24 | Lagbolt | Corwin is right, depends on how it was formated. some are hfs |
| 01:55.36 | Pavlz | i am downloading 2 dvd and i am only to 7 per cent |
| 01:55.44 | abrotman | it's a big image .. be patient |
| 01:55.49 | Nyle | i used my ipod 40gb recently bought on mac first and then linux and then windows |
| 01:56.05 | Nyle | works everywhere (however I've never tried to manually mount it, amarok and/or gtkpod do the trick for me) |
| 01:56.08 | Pavlz | i must to wait 2 hours and half |
| 01:56.12 | abrotman | so wait |
| 01:56.16 | abrotman | go to bed |
| 01:56.16 | Lagbolt | owen1, you can use blkid /dev/foo to find the partition type |
| 01:56.20 | owen1 | Nyle: mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700114C7EF1, |
| 01:56.27 | Nyle | listen to Lagbolt |
| 01:56.30 | owen1 | Nyle: missing codepage or other error In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try dmesg | tail or so |
| 01:56.34 | Pavlz | then the third dvd ì the update and after the source code |
| 01:56.35 | Nyle | I dunno nothin |
| 01:56.44 | abrotman | Pavlz: so wait .. stop whining about it .. |
| 01:56.53 | Nyle | hes not whining |
| 01:57.01 | abrotman | kind of is |
| 01:57.07 | Nyle | thats your perception |
| 01:57.08 | owen1 | Lagbolt: ok |
| 01:57.15 | abrotman | right .. so why do you have to comment? |
| 01:57.22 | Nyle | Pavlz, be patient, go read the debian install guid ein the mean time |
| 01:57.27 | Nyle | !tell Pavlz -about ig |
| 01:57.36 | Nyle | Pavlz, also debian.org/doc |
| 01:57.43 | Nyle | quickstart guides etc. etc. |
| 01:57.45 | Pavlz | i would try to update this old distro of ubuntu, that i am using now to chat with you |
| 01:58.05 | Pavlz | i do apt-get update |
| 01:58.16 | Nyle | Pavlz, for ubuntu related questions please visit #ubuntu |
| 01:58.17 | Pavlz | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 01:58.32 | owen1 | Lagbolt: sudo blkid /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700114C7EF1 returns nothing |
| 01:58.36 | Pavlz | possibly i mount ututo |
| 01:58.40 | Nyle | Pavlz, I seriously suggest that you read the debian install guide while you wait for the download |
| 01:58.44 | Lagbolt | owen1, i just read that all ipod shuffles are FAT32 |
| 01:59.00 | owen1 | Lagbolt: ok. let me add -t FAT32 |
| 01:59.04 | buluca | Pavlz: no one replies when there's no people there, or no one can answer |
| 01:59.05 | Nyle | Lagbolt, my guess what right |
| 01:59.08 | Nyle | no its still vfat |
| 01:59.10 | Nyle | not fat32 |
| 01:59.12 | Lagbolt | owen1, vfat dude |
| 01:59.37 | Pavlz | i don't need to read manual i got, i downloaded, i readed and i know what to do |
| 01:59.46 | alphaman1101 | guys a script i have needs an ftp server.one that has a user that has access to /var/www/clubmckinley i cant find any documentation that shows me how to do this. Anyone want to walk me through? |
| 02:00.00 | Lagbolt | owen1, you sure that is right partition? what does that path point to? shouldnt it end with -part1 or something? |
| 02:00.08 | Lagbolt | i guess depends on how that drive is formated |
| 02:00.22 | Nyle | alphaman1101, install vsftpd and give your user permission to access that location |
| 02:00.34 | owen1 | Lagbolt: let me see |
| 02:00.37 | Nyle | or try www-data but probably not |
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| 02:00.51 | alphaman1101 | Nyle, you mean make that directory its home? |
| 02:00.55 | Nyle | o |
| 02:00.56 | Nyle | no |
| 02:01.11 | Nyle | actually, I'm not sure. I'll stop helping |
| 02:01.18 | alphaman1101 | nice.... |
| 02:01.27 | Nyle | though you do need a ftpd, try vsftpd |
| 02:01.54 | alphaman1101 | i think i have an idea on how to do this now |
| 02:01.55 | Nyle | as for the script you're using and what it requries, no idea. |
| 02:02.06 | Nyle | I wonder if you can add yoruself to the www-data group |
| 02:02.07 | alphaman1101 | Joomla 1.5.4 :P |
| 02:02.10 | Nyle | mabye then you can h ave access? |
| 02:02.15 | Lagbolt | owen1, when you plug in the ipod . . what does dmesg say? can you pastebin that |
| 02:02.18 | owen1 | Lagbolt: when i connect my shuffle, i see usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700114C7EF1 |
| 02:02.33 | owen1 | Lagbolt: ok. give me a sec |
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| 02:03.56 | Nyle | buluca, sorry to bother you buddy, I guess he doesn't want help :) |
| 02:03.59 | ^arky^ | hi how to fix this error? ImportError: cannot import name xpath |
| 02:04.08 | abrotman | in what |
| 02:04.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 02:04.15 | abrotman | python? |
| 02:04.28 | owen1 | Lagbolt: how to clean the log file? |
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| 02:04.45 | ^arky^ | yes python 2.5 |
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| 02:04.53 | abrotman | install python-xml ? |
| 02:05.04 | ^arky^ | yes |
| 02:05.09 | Lagbolt | owen1, clean? |
| 02:05.12 | buluca | Nyle: I guess the same, no problem |
| 02:05.28 | owen1 | Lagbolt: clear it from messages. |
| 02:05.29 | Lagbolt | owen1, just unplug it, plug it back in and type dmesg or before you plug it in "tail -f /var/log/messages" |
| 02:05.38 | Lagbolt | then when you plug it in you will see new output |
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| 02:08.42 | Lagbolt | gotta jet, that should tell you what you need to know for mounting. |
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| 02:09.59 | alphaman1101 | how to remove user |
| 02:10.09 | Nyle | man userdel |
| 02:10.11 | pickcoder | boilding oil? |
| 02:10.14 | pickcoder | gah |
| 02:10.14 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:10.15 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 02:10.16 | Pavlz | i have some finish to read the manual sended from dpkg |
| 02:10.17 | owen1 | here is my dmesg - http://pastebin.com/d3fc103cb please help me with mounting my shuffle. |
| 02:10.22 | Pavlz | i am to 8.7 |
| 02:10.23 | pickcoder | I can't even make a joke properly tonight |
| 02:10.25 | Nyle | pickcoder, wrong |
| 02:10.30 | Nyle | pickcoder, thats to 'fry' a user |
| 02:10.31 | Nyle | ;) |
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| 02:11.40 | arkroriz | BRASIL |
| 02:11.49 | dererk | ? |
| 02:11.58 | abrotman | !br |
| 02:11.58 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 02:12.04 | arkroriz | ALGUEM TC DO BRASIL |
| 02:12.19 | dererk | arkroriz, ^ read what's said dpkg |
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| 02:13.22 | Pavlz | has crashed the download now i must restart |
| 02:13.54 | Pavlz | i was to 11 per cent |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | !netinst |
| 02:14.20 | dpkg | [netinst] a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 02:14.51 | owen1 | can anynoe help me with mounting my shuffle? here is my dmesg - # |
| 02:14.52 | owen1 | can anynoe help me with mounting my shuffle? here is my dmesg - Mode Sense: 64 00 00 08 |
| 02:14.54 | owen1 | # |
| 02:15.10 | owen1 | can anynoe help me with mounting my shuffle? here is my dmesg http://pastebin.com/d3fc103cb |
| 02:17.31 | jello | anyone know how the --transform option to tar works? |
| 02:18.14 | Pavlz | pastbin don't solve you any problem |
| 02:18.26 | owen1 | i see this line in dmesg sdf: unknown partition table what does it mean? |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | !tell Pavlz about it |
| 02:18.51 | simonrvn | what it says |
| 02:19.04 | Nyle | kwe kwe |
| 02:19.10 | owen1 | Pavlz: i also see this lines:FAT: bogus number of reserved sectors |
| 02:19.10 | owen1 | VFS: Can't find a valid FAT filesystem on dev sdf. |
| 02:19.18 | Pavlz | that you must create partitions on the disc |
| 02:20.35 | Pavlz | debian has the possibility to support fat and many others types of fat |
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| 02:21.05 | owen1 | Pavlz: ok. all i need is to access my shuffle. what should i do with this insight? |
| 02:21.56 | abrotman | fdisk -l /dev/sdf |
| 02:22.03 | Nyle | jello, ar cf archive.tar --transform 's,^\./,usr/,' will add to ‘archive’ files from the current working directory, replacing initial ‘./’ prefix with ‘usr/’ |
| 02:22.14 | Nyle | s/ar/tar |
| 02:22.32 | Pavlz | via usb or any other type |
| 02:22.37 | Nyle | and you can list with --show-transformed-names |
| 02:22.48 | Pavlz | as abrotman said to you |
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| 02:22.50 | Nyle | jello, what exactly is the question or you're trying to do |
| 02:22.58 | beardy | !ipod |
| 02:22.59 | dpkg | methinks ipod is a purty silver and white or black box, definitely not bigger tha a bread box. Would be better if it supported some non-encumbered formats. apt-get install gtkpod, or see http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alinux1394.org+ipod for proof that it really does work under linux. |
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| 02:23.20 | greeg | hi |
| 02:23.29 | greeg | hotmail doesnent work with Konqueror anymore |
| 02:23.31 | jello | Nyle: i've got an archive with files in a directory called foo-55, i want to rename that directory to bar |
| 02:23.38 | owen1 | Pavlz: i am not sure i understand your explanation. |
| 02:23.39 | greeg | i belive microsoft did that on purpose. |
| 02:23.52 | jello | Nyle: and i don't want to unpack; mv; repack |
| 02:23.53 | owen1 | beardy: i used to do mount and it worked. |
| 02:24.28 | owen1 | beardy: from some reason i get error when trying to mount it. |
| 02:24.51 | owen1 | is pulling his hair out. |
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| 02:25.36 | jello | Nyle: so i tried doing tar -uf archive.tar --transform 's/^foo-55/bar/'; but then tar tvf archive.tar still show the same thing as before |
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| 02:25.58 | Nyle | yeh im going through the man |
| 02:26.04 | Nyle | havn't fucked with tar in a while |
| 02:26.13 | jello | Nyle: count yourself lucky |
| 02:26.18 | Nyle | heh |
| 02:26.39 | jello | Nyle: oh, i believe the manpage is wrong on --wildcard; it says it's the default, but it doesn't work without it... |
| 02:26.53 | jello | if can you confirm that, i'll file a bug |
| 02:27.32 | jello | the --wildcard issue is separate from my problems with --transform |
| 02:28.21 | Nyle | I'm gonna have to give up |
| 02:28.22 | Nyle | :( |
| 02:28.29 | jello | :((( |
| 02:28.57 | jello | is gonna have to uts... |
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| 02:29.43 | Nyle | http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/tar/Option-Summary.html |
| 02:29.53 | Nyle | http://www.gnu.org/software/automake/manual/tar/transform.html#SEC108 |
| 02:29.56 | Nyle | Modifying File and Member Names |
| 02:30.01 | Nyle | maye that might help |
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| 02:35.09 | Pavlz | microsoft sheet |
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| 02:38.14 | abrotman | Pavlz: please don't msg me |
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| 02:41.02 | Pavlz | as can i download from shell dvd iso images ? |
| 02:41.14 | Nyle | wget |
| 02:41.20 | Pavlz | and |
| 02:41.22 | Nyle | thats it |
| 02:41.34 | Pavlz | but are 3 dvd |
| 02:41.39 | Nyle | wget http://blah.blah/blah.iso |
| 02:41.53 | Pavlz | i must create a directory |
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| 02:41.57 | extor | How can I tell if my eth0 is in promiscuous mode or not? |
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| 02:42.21 | Nyle | does that mean... |
| 02:42.23 | Nyle | monitor mode? |
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| 02:42.32 | Nyle | you'd have to set it, and i think ifconfig should tell you |
| 02:42.46 | Nyle | i could be wrong |
| 02:42.49 | extor | yeah monitor mode |
| 02:43.00 | Nyle | yeh ifconfig perhaps |
| 02:43.05 | extor | nope |
| 02:43.08 | extor | try it yourself |
| 02:43.09 | Nyle | hm, dunno then |
| 02:43.21 | Nyle | i know iwconfig liest my wifi in monitor |
| 02:43.26 | Nyle | lists* |
| 02:43.35 | Nyle | when i use it in monitor mode that is |
| 02:44.37 | extor | I did a dmesg just now and it is switching back and forth from promiscuous mode |
| 02:44.57 | extor | I just want to listen to another PC on my lan when it boots up...I wanna see if it has any callhome malware installed which runs upon boot |
| 02:45.14 | Nyle | im guessing its a windows machine? |
| 02:45.27 | Nyle | have you heard of a utility called 'autoruns' for windows? |
| 02:45.49 | extor | oh puhleeez |
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| 02:46.34 | Pavlz | i got problems with wget it says me: Error parsing proxy URL http://:8080/: Invalid host name. |
| 02:46.36 | Nyle | extor, I can't help you. Ask someone else |
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| 02:46.50 | Nyle | Pavlz, you don't see anything wrong with that? |
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| 02:47.17 | Nyle | im getting a fucking headache |
| 02:47.21 | Nyle | I'm gonna go watch a movie, bye |
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| 02:47.40 | Pavlz | wget http://blah.blah/blah.iso |
| 02:47.55 | Tramp | extor: ifconfig should tell you with PROMISC in line3 after RUNNING |
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| 02:50.01 | Tramp | Pavlz: what gives "echo $http_proxy"? |
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| 02:51.09 | Pavlz | when i wrote wget http://blah.blah/blah.iso it replies me by shell Error parsing proxy URL http://:8080/: Invalid host name. |
| 02:51.27 | Tramp | Pavlz: did you read what I wrote? |
| 02:51.40 | Pavlz | yes |
| 02:52.00 | Tramp | so why don't you answer? |
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| 02:53.11 | Pavlz | wget: need URL that was suggest me http://blah.blah/blah.iso |
| 02:54.34 | abrotman | Pavlz: you're not going to get much help here if you don't answer the questions |
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| 02:57.51 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:58.08 | Tramp | Pavlz: ok. last try: what is the result if you type "echo $http_proxy"? |
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| 02:58.47 | Pavlz | http://debian.fastbull.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso Error parsing proxy URL http://:8080/: Invalid host name. |
| 02:59.05 | Pavlz | nothing download |
| 02:59.36 | abrotman | Pavlz: you're not going to get much help here if you don't answer the questions |
| 02:59.51 | Tramp | I hava a deja-vu |
| 03:00.08 | abrotman | this is the song that never ends .. it goes on and on my friends |
| 03:00.51 | Tramp | and nothing ever happens, nothing happens at all, the needle returns to the start of the song and we all sing along like before |
| 03:01.32 | Pavlz | is very easy the proxy is not enabled, and nothing happen, so i can't use wget |
| 03:01.47 | abrotman | Pavlz: please answer Tramp's question |
| 03:02.00 | abrotman | we can't help you if you don't answer the questions |
| 03:02.37 | pickcoder | questions? |
| 03:03.10 | pickcoder | the best question is an answer for no question |
| 03:03.22 | abrotman | okay .. you kids stay out of trouble :) |
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| 03:05.14 | Pavlz | ok i say: sudo -s then the password, then cd /Desktop then in the directory trusted, then to shell i wrote wget http://debian.fastbull.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/debian-40r3-i386-DVD-1.iso i would like to know why i receive as reply: Error parsing proxy URL http://:8080/: Invalid host name. thanks |
| 03:05.48 | pickcoder | Pavlz: you have a few pending questions to answer |
| 03:06.19 | Pavlz | pending ? |
| 03:06.35 | pickcoder | not answered |
| 03:06.39 | beardy | in line, queued up |
| 03:07.44 | Pavlz | ok, i take the dictionary, i don't known as term |
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| 03:08.13 | alphad_ | is away: Être absent àpartir de maintenant. |
| 03:08.16 | Pavlz | hello |
| 03:08.17 | SyL | is there a way for the network interface lo:0 to start at boot? |
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| 03:08.41 | beardy | Just answer what he asked. |
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| 03:09.08 | beardy | !away |
| 03:09.09 | dpkg | Do not use public away/back messages in #debian. If we want to know where you are, we'll /whois you. In BX, /set auto_away off; ask in #yourircclient if you have questions. If you continue to use public aways/backs you will be devoiced. http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 03:09.12 | danilu | how much money costs to install a vpn on 5 clients? |
| 03:09.27 | pickcoder | danilu: $0US if you use openvpn |
| 03:09.54 | beardy | Varying, if you can't do it yourself. |
| 03:09.55 | pickcoder | I'll gladly take $1000US for each client install though |
| 03:10.03 | Pavlz | is possible by ethernet to install via dsl an operative system as GNU/linux ? |
| 03:10.08 | beardy | $900 here. |
| 03:10.09 | Tramp | SyL: simply puttin "auto lo:0" in interfaces does not work? |
| 03:10.25 | pickcoder | !start bidding war |
| 03:10.26 | izzyb | Pavlz, what does it say if you type: echo $http_proxy |
| 03:10.27 | pickcoder | heh |
| 03:10.30 | Pavlz | you ask few money |
| 03:10.44 | kommodore | is there a way in dash to test UID like in bash? |
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| 03:11.30 | \amethyst | kommodore: use $(id -u) instead [or $(/usr/bin/id -u) to be safer] |
| 03:11.47 | \amethyst | unless this needs to run before /usr is mounted |
| 03:11.51 | kommodore | thanks |
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| 03:11.54 | danilu | beardy $900 to configure on 5 clients? |
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| 03:12.06 | \amethyst | kommodore: UID can't be trusted, anyway |
| 03:12.16 | Pavlz | when i digit echo $http_proxy the shell replies http://:8080/ |
| 03:12.25 | xbz | hi, i want to run an rsync to check for the last 5 days. any ideas what kind of command i'll have to run? |
| 03:12.27 | beardy | danilu: No, 5*900. Mostly a joke though. |
| 03:12.31 | danilu | hum |
| 03:12.34 | pickcoder | danilu: if you want to discuss commercial pricing for services, contact a contractor off-channel |
| 03:12.50 | danilu | ž->pickcoder<-ž: ok |
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| 03:13.18 | pickcoder | unless you approve for them to private message you here |
| 03:13.25 | \amethyst | kommodore: e.g. env UID=0 bash -c 'echo $UID' # bash will gladly take UID from the environment |
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| 03:13.57 | xbz | how do i run an rsync only for the last couple of days? |
| 03:14.03 | snogglethorpe | danilu: hmm what are those "\236" characters supposed to be? |
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| 03:14.29 | pickcoder | wide pipes |
| 03:14.33 | Pavlz | in italy you could ask to a cent of euro, the public administration is starting now to mont GNU/linux, but always they finish to mount not free software on GNU/linux |
| 03:14.52 | LemensTS | hotmail down for anyone on pidgin |
| 03:15.18 | pickcoder | when is hotmail not down... |
| 03:15.21 | Pavlz | boys use winzozz |
| 03:16.05 | n3kl | How can I execute a local function or subroutine on a remote machine? Like ssh -t "local.bin" |
| 03:16.38 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: that's the Windows CP-1252 encoding for U+017E LATIN SMALL LETTER Z WITH CARON |
| 03:16.47 | xbz | anyone? |
| 03:16.51 | Pavlz | i do conferences abou free software to La Sapienza Science Of Communication, to Boario Camp, to University of Siena in Grosseto (GR) Tuscany, we are few in italy |
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| 03:17.56 | pickcoder | xbz: I don't think you can do incremental updates like that |
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| 03:18.09 | pickcoder | if you had snapshots you could rsync the snapshots |
| 03:19.12 | Pavlz | no, i have not snapshots to send you, never i do a photo |
| 03:19.21 | \amethyst | xbz: do you have an rsync from a few days ago already? |
| 03:19.29 | pickcoder | Pavlz: that was for xba |
| 03:19.35 | pickcoder | er xbz |
| 03:19.35 | Pavlz | ok |
| 03:20.07 | Pavlz | excuse me, i think that i can do a mistake |
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| 03:21.01 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: ugh |
| 03:21.04 | Pavlz | hello |
| 03:21.23 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: I thought utf-8 had gained some traction on irc... |
| 03:21.41 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: oddly, I saw it as UTF-8 (or my client converted it) |
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| 03:21.51 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: how does your client know? |
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| 03:22.26 | Pavlz | http://tuxhardware.de sells keyboard just for GNU/linux |
| 03:22.34 | snogglethorpe | Pavlz: bah |
| 03:22.38 | snogglethorpe | Pavlz: hhkb |
| 03:22.48 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: *shrug*, perhaps it guesses latin1 or cp1252 when it sees an invalid UTF-8 sequence |
| 03:22.52 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: I use irssi |
| 03:22.53 | owen1 | i am trying to muout my shuffle and get wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/disk/by-id/usb-Apple_iPod_000A2700114C7EF1, missing codepage or other error |
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| 03:23.23 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: I suppose an airstrike on the originating site is too hard to implement |
| 03:23.23 | owen1 | here is my dmesg: http://pastebin.com/d7a111ffd |
| 03:23.34 | pickcoder | owen1: there's only a gazillion posts about that on Google |
| 03:23.39 | SyL | Tramp: sorry, I was in the bathroom. where should I be checking to see if the "auto lo:0" in interfaces. |
| 03:23.47 | \amethyst | snogglethorpe: that would go against Postel's principle anyway :) |
| 03:23.57 | owen1 | pickcoder: i googled for it. can u send me a good link? |
| 03:24.15 | owen1 | pickcoder: maybe i am googling for the wrong thing. |
| 03:24.16 | levander | Anyone's seen a decent tutorial on backing your system up with tar? |
| 03:24.29 | snogglethorpe | \amethyst: it'd provide entertainment for the idle masses though |
| 03:24.29 | Pavlz | i am to 32 per cent of download dvd'iso by http |
| 03:24.39 | owen1 | pickcoder: i used to do mount and it would work. i don't know what's wrong. |
| 03:25.18 | levander | I'm just wondering about things like making sure you preserve permissions, etc. Things that someone who hasn't done it in a while could forget to do. |
| 03:25.33 | snogglethorpe | btw, anyone know if the X radeon (xserver-xorg-video-radeon) driver 's DPI calculation is known to be screwed up? |
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| 03:28.44 | pickcoder | owen1: the fs is probably corrupted |
| 03:29.00 | owen1 | pickcoder: ok. can i fix it? |
| 03:29.01 | pickcoder | can you update it from iTunes? |
| 03:29.11 | syntaxx | cron - is it possible to run a script every 5 minutes of an hour but not the last 5 minutes of the hour? |
| 03:29.11 | owen1 | pickcoder: i don't have or use itunes. |
| 03:29.27 | peterS | syntaxx: 0-50/5 * * * * |
| 03:29.28 | owen1 | pickcoder: can i reset the os? |
| 03:29.47 | beardy | levander: 'info tar' |
| 03:29.49 | pickcoder | I dunno |
| 03:30.06 | syntaxx | peterS: oh thank you |
| 03:30.09 | Pavlz | for owen1 |
| 03:30.17 | Pavlz | tail -f /var/log/syslog |
| 03:30.43 | owen1 | how to turn a shuffle into regular mp3? |
| 03:30.46 | pickcoder | owen1: have you tried any of the ipod players for X |
| 03:30.52 | Pavlz | mp3 |
| 03:31.00 | peterS | snogglethorpe: according to 'xdpyinfo' my radeon card thinks my monitor is 350 x 280 mm, which seems about right (I didn't actually measure it) |
| 03:31.02 | Pavlz | i don't help you more |
| 03:31.19 | Rusty1 | levander: http://lantech.geekvenue.net/chucktips/jason/chuck/994016279/index_html |
| 03:31.27 | Pavlz | no, no, no |
| 03:31.39 | owen1 | pickcoder: i don't use x. at least prefer not to. |
| 03:31.53 | Pavlz | use ogg vorbis |
| 03:31.55 | snogglethorpe | peterS: yeah actually I got a reaponse on #radeon, but ... basically I _set_ the display size via DisplaySize in xorg.conf, and it still fucked it up... |
| 03:31.58 | Pavlz | auflac |
| 03:32.06 | pickcoder | what's on the usb storage (fdisk list) |
| 03:32.14 | Pavlz | but mp3 not free software |
| 03:32.17 | levander | Rusty1: that's a little more basic than what I had in mind, I'm probably gonna have to do what beardy said and read the man page |
| 03:32.20 | peterS | snogglethorpe: you set DisplaySize and then 'xdpyinfo' didn't think it was the same size? |
| 03:32.37 | Pavlz | on ipod you must create a third partition |
| 03:32.40 | owen1 | pickcoder: how do i check it? not sure what u mean. |
| 03:32.49 | beardy | levander: The info document is more in depth, but yes. |
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| 03:33.01 | izzyb | Pavlz, did you get an answer to your problem? |
| 03:33.07 | izzyb | had to step away |
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| 03:33.15 | pickcoder | fdisk -l /dev/sdf |
| 03:33.24 | beardy | levander: By default it preserves everything afaik though. |
| 03:33.53 | SyL | Tramp: I have lo:0 in the interfaces file already. any other ideas? |
| 03:33.57 | beardy | levander: Except the first / (slash). |
| 03:34.18 | snogglethorpe | peterS: i set it, and (1) the calculated DPI reported in Xorg.0.log was obviously incorrect, and (2) the dpi reported by xdpyinfo was neither the correctly calculated dpi, nor the incorrect dpi reported in Xorg.0.log, but just 96dpi!! |
| 03:34.20 | owen1 | pickcoder: Disk /dev/sdf: 1015 MB, 1015021568 bytes |
| 03:34.20 | owen1 | 32 heads, 61 sectors/track, 253 cylinders |
| 03:34.20 | owen1 | Units = cylinders of 1952 * 2048 = 3997696 bytes |
| 03:34.20 | owen1 | Disk /dev/sdf doesn't contain a valid partition table |
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| 03:34.23 | brunobertechini | guys, I need somebody help with a NAT N:1 and VPN tunnel (openswan). Already asked on #openswan and #iptables channel with no answer. Can I paste my question over here ? |
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| 03:34.26 | SyL | it works if I do ifup lo:0, but if I restart it or use /etc/init.d/network it load |
| 03:34.40 | brunobertechini | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:34.49 | snogglethorpe | peterS: I spent quite a while using grep to try and find some init file bogusly forcing 96dpi, but couldn't find anything |
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| 03:34.53 | brunobertechini | this VPN is being made by a Linux and a unknown device (probably a corporate router or something). I dont have info on the other side. I do have the encription methods and so on. The tunnel is already stablished. |
| 03:35.02 | brunobertechini | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:35.06 | owen1 | sorry. it was 3 lines.. |
| 03:35.08 | snogglethorpe | peterS: (I remember gdm _used_ to do that via an X server startup option, but that seems to be gone now) |
| 03:35.16 | beardy | levander: Depending on what you need.. feel free to look at/use my (a bit old) script, using tar. http://beardy.infidyne.com/projects.php#bab |
| 03:35.23 | peterS | snogglethorpe: well, actually measuring my monitor, it's closer to 380 mm wide, not 350 mm, so either the monitor is lying or the driver is guessing.. |
| 03:35.45 | brunobertechini | getting desperate on this shit... |
| 03:35.57 | snogglethorpe | peterS: often the monitors numbers are a bit silly, but vaguely close |
| 03:35.57 | izzyb | Pavlz, Looks like your proxy settings are wrong. Do you use an html proxy? |
| 03:36.04 | owen1 | pickcoder: sorry. i was kicked out because it was a few lines. |
| 03:36.17 | snogglethorpe | peterS: e.g. on my monitor, it seems to be the actual crt tube size, which obviously isn't the size of the displayed image |
| 03:36.20 | owen1 | pickcoder: what do u think of the output? |
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| 03:36.28 | peterS | snogglethorpe: see my other monitor reports itself to be 400x300 mm which is quite accurate. that's plugged into a matrox card though so I don't know if the radeon driver would read it correctly or what |
| 03:36.50 | snogglethorpe | peterS: is one an lcd? |
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| 03:37.12 | snogglethorpe | peterS: lcds seem to be correct, since the display image is pretty much the size of the physical lcd |
| 03:37.19 | peterS | no, both are CRTs |
| 03:37.22 | snogglethorpe | peterS: hmm |
| 03:37.30 | snogglethorpe | peterS: a more clueful monitor manufacturer i guess |
| 03:37.49 | peterS | Hitachi is the accurate one, IBM the not-quite-accurate |
| 03:38.14 | beardy | Good night. |
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| 03:39.41 | brunobertechini | feeling very angry to need to downgrade the kernel to 2.4 |
| 03:40.39 | peterS | snogglethorpe: hmmmmm. reading Xorg.0.log, it seems the radeon driver got EDID info from the IBM monitor to the effect that it was 39 x 30 cm. I wonder why xdpyinfo says 350 x 280 mm then. |
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| 03:40.51 | brunobertechini | anybody with knowledge on NAT / iptables ? |
| 03:40.56 | brunobertechini | who can help me? |
| 03:40.58 | brunobertechini | :) |
| 03:41.15 | wols | !anybody |
| 03:41.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 03:41.22 | wols | brunobertechini: you still haven't asked a single question |
| 03:41.28 | snogglethorpe | peterS: dunno, as I mentioned, my xpyinfo info also bears no resemblance to the calculated values... |
| 03:41.33 | tehmarz | Hey, I have a problem. Whenever I try to run ogg123 it says "ALSA lib pcm_dmix.c:996:(snd_pcm_dmix_open) unable to open slave / ALSA snd_pcm_open error: No such file or directory". Anyone know what's wrong? |
| 03:41.36 | wols | and 2.4 on etch might be problematic and it's impossible on lenny |
| 03:41.53 | snogglethorpe | peterS: I'm using stuff from experimental though, so that may very well just be buggy |
| 03:42.26 | brunobertechini | wols - question was already posted before |
| 03:42.37 | wols | brunobertechini: no it wasn't. you stopped in the middle |
| 03:42.52 | brunobertechini | you might missed something. |
| 03:43.04 | wols | no. I use lastlog and I can see when you joined |
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| 03:43.12 | brunobertechini | right |
| 03:43.18 | wols | For example: Lets assume Linux peer as peerLinux(left) and the unknown peer as peerUnknown(right) |
| 03:43.21 | wols | was all |
| 03:43.26 | brunobertechini | really? |
| 03:43.30 | wols | after that: whining |
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| 03:43.32 | wols | yes, really |
| 03:43.36 | brunobertechini | shit, somehow my post didnt get there |
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| 03:43.56 | brunobertechini | left=200.0.0.2 leftsubnet=200.0.0.0/26 leftnexthop=%defaultroute right=170.66.6.34 rightsubnet=170.66.50.0/24 |
| 03:44.00 | brunobertechini | this is my current configuration |
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| 03:44.08 | brunobertechini | the LEFT side is MY side with a Linux box. |
| 03:44.54 | brunobertechini | and the counterparty (which I am setting up this vpn) forces me to use a public network. This is the standard way, they use this with several other companies. And I need to establish same way. |
| 03:45.16 | brunobertechini | I can reach the servers on the other side from my linux box (the peerLinux) |
| 03:45.21 | pickcoder | owen1: I didn't see anything except the entire drive size |
| 03:45.26 | peterS | snogglethorpe: oh innnteresting. the radeon driver reports two different things in Xorg.0.log. "Max H-Image Size [cm]: horiz.: 39 vert.: 30" but then later, "Supported additional Video Mode: clock: 112.0 MHz Image Size: 350 x 280 mm" etc. |
| 03:46.00 | brunobertechini | I cant reach them from the internal network (behind the linux box) |
| 03:46.05 | owen1 | pickcoder: http://pastebin.com/d6b744400 |
| 03:46.13 | brunobertechini | even with the SNAT / DNAT |
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| 03:46.21 | brunobertechini | seems like a routing problem |
| 03:46.36 | pickcoder | owen1: I guess that would be a problem |
| 03:46.43 | pickcoder | no paritition table |
| 03:46.44 | brunobertechini | but I even dont know what to do since the network is public on my configuration as well. |
| 03:46.49 | peterS | snogglethorpe: so xdpyinfo picked up the latter. and yet also from Xorg.0.log: "Display dimensions: (390, 300) mm" and "DPI set to (104, 135)" |
| 03:46.50 | owen1 | pickcoder: can i fix it? |
| 03:46.50 | pickcoder | partition |
| 03:46.53 | brunobertechini | wols - any idea man ? |
| 03:47.02 | wols | brunobertechini: how do you do NAT? |
| 03:47.03 | pickcoder | owen1: not unless you can burn the ipod firmware back on it |
| 03:47.03 | brunobertechini | or someone else. |
| 03:47.10 | brunobertechini | is copying and pasting |
| 03:47.16 | pickcoder | does it even boot? |
| 03:47.44 | Nyle | fucking system beep pissin me off |
| 03:47.50 | Nyle | I thought I already fixed the damn bullshit |
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| 03:48.10 | Nyle | gr |
| 03:48.15 | owen1 | pickcoder: how do i do that? with windows and itunes? |
| 03:48.25 | pickcoder | does the device boot at all? |
| 03:48.52 | owen1 | pickcoder: not sure what do u mean by boot? i can't hear songs now. |
| 03:49.02 | pickcoder | do you even see a menu |
| 03:49.15 | owen1 | pickcoder: it's a shuffle. no screen. |
| 03:49.18 | pickcoder | oh |
| 03:49.23 | brunobertechini | iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -s [THEIR_FTP_SERVER] -d [MY_PUBLIC_IP] -j DNAT --to [INTERNAL_HOST_WHICH_NEED_ACCESS_FTP] |
| 03:49.45 | pickcoder | I'd try updating the thing from itunes first |
| 03:49.52 | wols | brunobertechini: why so complicated? why not use ipmasq? |
| 03:49.54 | pickcoder | if it's too foobar'd you may have to send it back to Apple |
| 03:49.58 | brunobertechini | iptables -t nat -I POSTROUTING -s [INTERNAL_HOST_WHICH_NEED_ACCESS_FTP] -d [INTERNAL_HOST_WHICH_NEED_ACCESS_FTP] -j SNAT --to-source [MY_PUBLIC_IP] |
| 03:50.06 | owen1 | pickcoder: got it, thanks |
| 03:50.13 | brunobertechini | wols - no idea man. |
| 03:50.19 | n3kl | What program should I set in mdadm.conf when using postfix? |
| 03:50.20 | brunobertechini | wols - ipmasq ? |
| 03:50.27 | wols | brunobertechini: a debian package |
| 03:50.34 | brunobertechini | googling |
| 03:50.55 | brunobertechini | [no flame please] - this server is not a debian...is the only one with other SO. |
| 03:51.06 | Tramp | brunobertechini: The DNAT is nonsense. The SNAT takes care of return packets |
| 03:51.18 | brunobertechini | mmm |
| 03:51.47 | brunobertechini | Tramp, wols - The goal is: Ineed only one internal machine to have FTP/WWW access to one single server on their side. |
| 03:51.51 | Tramp | brunobertechini: and FTP will get messy you will have to use passive mode anyways |
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| 03:52.02 | wols | brunobertechini: then go away |
| 03:52.12 | brunobertechini | wols - come on... |
| 03:52.14 | wols | brunobertechini: you are in the wrong channel |
| 03:52.18 | brunobertechini | no im not |
| 03:52.22 | wols | brunobertechini: nothing come on. you are wrong here. go away. |
| 03:52.26 | brunobertechini | i use debian from a long long time ago... |
| 03:52.29 | wols | this is debian ONLY support |
| 03:52.31 | brunobertechini | I use it everywhere... |
| 03:52.32 | brunobertechini | =) |
| 03:52.46 | wols | brunobertechini: then come back if you actually say the truth and use it on this machine too |
| 03:52.48 | brunobertechini | and I know people here who knows linux a lot...not only debian... |
| 03:52.52 | wols | now please stop bothering us |
| 03:53.02 | brunobertechini | .... |
| 03:53.04 | wols | #linux or the channel of your actual distro |
| 03:53.32 | \amethyst | or even #iptables |
| 03:53.35 | Tramp | brunobertechini: or maybe ##networking |
| 03:53.38 | brunobertechini | that why people get frustrated when need support :) |
| 03:53.42 | brunobertechini | already tried all of those |
| 03:53.53 | brunobertechini | including #iptables / #openswan / #networking |
| 03:54.01 | brunobertechini | and few others |
| 03:54.07 | wols | we simply don't like liars who come under false pretenses. you knew that we do not support your non debian distro and still came |
| 03:54.11 | brunobertechini | but people there are nnot like you guys |
| 03:54.16 | grim76 | How would I change the runlevel for X so it only starts in init 5 and not in init 3 |
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| 03:54.33 | Nyle | !tell grim76 -about nodm |
| 03:54.38 | Nyle | grim76, check msg |
| 03:54.42 | peterS | grim76: feel free to manually fiddle with the symlinks in /etc/rc2.d, /etc/rc3.d, /etc/rc5.d |
| 03:54.43 | wols | grim76: at the end fo /etc/rc=.d there is a S99 link to your display manager. remove it and X doesn't start |
| 03:54.46 | grim76 | Thanks Nyle |
| 03:54.49 | brunobertechini | wols - lol |
| 03:54.55 | wols | e.h. remove it in /etc/rc5.d/ |
| 03:55.02 | brunobertechini | wols - please if you dont want help just stop it ok |
| 03:55.04 | brunobertechini | bye |
| 03:55.10 | Nyle | peterS, hi |
| 03:55.14 | peterS | hola |
| 03:55.18 | Nyle | peterS, I think maybe he wanted nodm |
| 03:55.30 | Nyle | unless he wants to start X in a diff runlevel, which I don't see why |
| 03:55.30 | peterS | I know that |
| 03:55.43 | peterS | because if you didn't think that, you wouldn't have told him that |
| 03:55.51 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:55.53 | Nyle | smartass :) |
| 03:55.54 | Corwin | why does nodm remind me of nomam from Married with Children? |
| 03:56.56 | callahad | Hi, I'm planning on moving to LVM for the first time, and I have some questions about backups. |
| 03:57.10 | SyL | I'm trying to get a loopback alias working in debian etch. I have auto lo:0 and it works if it works with ifup lo:0 |
| 03:58.01 | enouf | and? |
| 03:58.07 | pickcoder | SyL: I was under the impression that auto <master device> brought up all virtual devices too |
| 03:58.10 | callahad | For backing up an LVM logical volume, the correct procedure is to lvcreate a snapshot, mount that, and back it up to another volume, and unmount it, and lvremove it, correct? |
| 03:58.43 | enouf | callahad: look into snapshots? |
| 03:58.53 | enouf | oh |
| 03:58.57 | enouf | duh |
| 03:59.04 | callahad | enouf: Trying to check my understanding more than anything :) |
| 04:00.40 | SyL | pickcoder: yeah, but if you look at the /etc/init.d/networking script it seems to ignore the the loopback stuff |
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| 04:02.41 | Nyle | it ignores anything not 'auto' |
| 04:02.47 | Nyle | I think |
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| 04:04.01 | SyL | Nyle: this is from /etc/init.d/networking |
| 04:04.02 | SyL | log_action_begin_msg "Reconfiguring network interfaces" |
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| 04:04.03 | SyL | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:04.10 | SyL | doh |
| 04:04.12 | SyL | sorry |
| 04:04.29 | curtmack | How can I set an environment variable before X starts? |
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| 04:10.58 | enouf | curtmack: in your ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
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| 04:12.13 | curtmack | okay, thanks |
| 04:12.26 | Pavlz | i need an info |
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| 04:12.46 | enouf | curtmack: for em wide, would likely go in /etc/environment |
| 04:12.59 | enouf | curtmack: er for system wide |
| 04:13.14 | jeeves__ | has anyone here heard about a fix for the fans for cooling on nVidia cards? my system is running VERY hot, and I'd like to get it fixed |
| 04:13.22 | Pavlz | tiscali.it says me i got 8mb/sec i would like to know what is the real speed : how can i know ? |
| 04:13.22 | curtmack | system wide shouldn't matter, I'm the only person who uses this computer |
| 04:13.24 | curtmack | thanks |
| 04:13.46 | jeeves__ | enouf, hey man, long time no chat!! |
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| 04:14.19 | enouf | jeeves__: guess so ;-) |
| 04:14.28 | callahad | Pavlz: http://speedtest.net/ ? |
| 04:14.43 | Pavlz | but command line ? |
| 04:14.44 | ar3dam | hi there, i have problem to install debian on sata, i try install pci=nomsi, i make some change on bios, and nothing, any advice? |
| 04:15.00 | jeeves__ | enouf, got a sec to help me nail this cooling issue? |
| 04:15.18 | enouf | Pavlz: just d/l all wget from 3 fast servers |
| 04:15.29 | callahad | Pavlz: Find a fast Debian mirror and time how long it takes to download the installer CD :) |
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| 04:16.04 | enouf | ar3dam: cuold try "install generic.all_generic_ide=1" but maybe you need Etchnhalf or kmuto |
| 04:16.08 | wols | ar3dam: what SATA controller? |
| 04:16.12 | enouf | jeeves__: not sure |
| 04:16.34 | snogglethorpe | hmm, btw, anyone know what "reasonable" temperatures, as reported by the "sensors" program (from lm-sensors) are? |
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| 04:16.53 | jeeves__ | enouf, Toshiba P100 laptop, nVidia card, and right now, I can't get the fans to spin up. My GPU is sitting @ 142F |
| 04:17.07 | snogglethorpe | on my system the first two temps are 35-40 deg C, but the 3rd is usually 85-90 deg C |
| 04:17.13 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.26 | snogglethorpe | the latter seems a bit scary, but i don't really know what's safe |
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| 04:17.57 | Pavlz | seen an horse to fly ? |
| 04:17.58 | ar3dam | wols, its a WD 80 gb |
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| 04:19.00 | callahad | Pavlz: The only real way to check is to download a big file and see how long it takes. |
| 04:19.03 | enouf | jeeves__: i know nothing about any of that .. sorry - maybe someone else can help - or try another channel like maybe ##linux or something - wait a few though |
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| 04:19.42 | jeeves__ | enouf, thank. I've got to get this fixed before my chip dies |
| 04:20.10 | wols | ar3dam: a harddisk is no controller |
| 04:20.20 | callahad | jeeves__: I remember the closed-source drivers mentioning resolving fan issues in their release notes a few months back. Have you tried updating? |
| 04:20.25 | wols | a SATA controller is a chip on your mobo |
| 04:20.58 | jeeves__ | callahad, yes. my system is up to date. I was finally able to get the temp sensors to work, and now that I see it, I now see why the system is flakey |
| 04:21.27 | enouf | Pavlz: please don't msg me - not necessary |
| 04:21.32 | callahad | jeeves__: Ouch. Well, at least you're now aware of the cause... |
| 04:21.35 | ar3dam | mobo = motherboard? |
| 04:21.40 | wols | yes |
| 04:21.46 | jeeves__ | callahad, yea. the GPU is running about 140F right now |
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| 04:22.07 | c0dg3r_ | jeeves__: have you tried http://www.buzzard.me.uk/toshiba/index.html |
| 04:22.30 | jeeves__ | c0dg3r_, nope, but I'll have a look. thanks |
| 04:22.44 | gnunixguy | jeeves: what GPU? |
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| 04:23.10 | gnunixguy | oh, laptop |
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| 04:23.13 | ar3dam | letme check the controller.... and when find the chip? |
| 04:23.25 | gnunixguy | most of those will handle 140 F no problems |
| 04:23.37 | gnunixguy | my 8800gts g80 will handle close to 200 |
| 04:23.42 | jeeves__ | c0dg3r_, wow, why didn't I find this one earlier? |
| 04:23.51 | Pavlz | i go eat a piece of apple pie |
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| 04:24.27 | wols | ar3dam: use lspci |
| 04:26.09 | c0dg3r_ | jeeves__: google: toshiba linux fan . Not being a d0rk here - I lose hours before thinking of the seemple solution. |
| 04:26.39 | snogglethorpe | incidentally, what do people think of "pwmconfig"? |
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| 04:27.06 | jeeves__ | c0dg3r_, thanks. I've just got so wrapped up in getting this fixed. |
| 04:27.09 | husimon | anyone use amanda with tape libraries here? |
| 04:27.14 | husimon | or some other open source software with a tape library |
| 04:27.21 | snogglethorpe | the desription says an "easy" way to setup the fancontrol stuff, but it seems quite inconvenient and cranky to me... |
| 04:27.50 | jeeves__ | c0dg3r_, damn script is failing out on the ./configure |
| 04:28.23 | n3kl | if my gpg key expires, can I still decrypt data with it? |
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| 04:28.48 | Pavlz | hello |
| 04:30.31 | Pavlz | i turned here to the computer, a cup of milk and a piece of apple pie, i needed |
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| 04:31.08 | Pavlz | all these hours here without never get up and do other |
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| 04:35.38 | pickcoder | nite folks |
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| 04:36.18 | Pavlz | where can i to buy a pc or workstation which sucks little power ? |
| 04:36.28 | gnunixguy | the internet? |
| 04:36.30 | aadfdfd | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:36.30 | aadfdfd | <aadfdfd> <josh_> http://pastebin.com/m3997ef41 |
| 04:38.35 | DanDare | "requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable..." ? |
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| 04:40.18 | aadfdfd | ? |
| 04:40.53 | gnunixguy | DanDare: NEI |
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| 04:41.58 | DanDare | NEI ? what´s this? |
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| 04:46.39 | gnunixguy | not enough information? |
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| 04:52.46 | DanDare | gangsterlicious, ahh ok thanks :) |
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| 05:03.40 | greeg | does anyone know how frquently the satalite photos update on google earth ? |
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| 05:06.33 | aadfdfd | once every 9 years |
| 05:06.47 | aadfdfd | i believe |
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| 05:08.54 | newsense | lol |
| 05:09.05 | newsense | sounds right |
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| 05:11.56 | craigevil-eee | more like every couple of months, probably depends on the area |
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| 05:12.38 | jeeves__ | can someone tell me how to recompile my kernel with CONFIG_ACPI_TOSHIBA in it? I can't seem to find that package on the net |
| 05:13.32 | stoneCold__ | hi chan, does someone happen to know the correct boot parameter to disable pcmcia during an ubuntu installation (which is giving me a headache) ? thx |
| 05:14.00 | quagga | stoneCold__: i'd ask in #ubuntu |
| 05:14.10 | craigevil-eee | jeeves what kernel? its already in 2.6.24 and higher > 2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/acpi/toshiba_acpi.ko |
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| 05:14.21 | stoneCold__ | yeah, and you will be silently ignored there -.- |
| 05:15.03 | jeeves__ | quagga, do you know where I can find a modprobe or how I can recompile my kernel to include it? |
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| 05:15.30 | jeeves__ | craigevil-eee, when I try modprobing it, I get an error saying it's not installed |
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| 05:16.11 | craigevil-eee | sorry no clue i just did locate toshiba and there was a ton of stuff using standard debian kernel in lenny |
| 05:16.15 | jeeves__ | craigevil-eee, I'm trying to install fnfx on a toshiba laptop |
| 05:16.40 | jeeves__ | craigevil-eee, and I'm getting lost as to why it won't install |
| 05:16.58 | quagga | stoneCold__: hw-detect/start_pcmcia=false according to google. or run the install in expert mode |
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| 05:20.02 | stoneCold__ | quagga: thx, I tried that already ... damn I'm pulling my hair out here ... I can't believe that a problem that seems to occur rather often is silently ignored by devs :/ |
| 05:20.35 | quagga | *shrug*. I haven't had a system which used pcmcia in years |
| 05:20.52 | stoneCold__ | is talking about the "cs: io port probe 0x100-0x3af" problem btw |
| 05:20.54 | quagga | this little atom powered laptop only has usb ports which i'm fine with |
| 05:21.19 | stoneCold__ | well, there isn't only hardware that is 2 month old you know :/ |
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| 05:22.15 | quagga | yes i know. my mini-itx box is almost 2 years old. needs a replacement soon :) |
| 05:23.24 | c0dg3r_ | stoneCold__ nopcmcia |
| 05:23.30 | kr0w | Hello just install Debian, and how user does not have access to the network device (eth0) but as with root access the network without issue, someone knows what is this? |
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| 05:25.01 | Wyzard | kr0w: What is your non-root user trying to do with eth0? |
| 05:26.09 | stoneCold__ | c0dg3r_: I think I tried that already, out of desperation I'll trying it again thx |
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| 05:26.25 | kr0w | Wyzard: connect to web |
| 05:26.38 | Pavlz | i don't know why, but the download crash very easely |
| 05:27.07 | kmeyer | hey, is there a good place to start reading about creating / maintaining packages? |
| 05:27.08 | Pavlz | so i never finish to download, that i must to do new |
| 05:27.33 | Pavlz | now i am downloading from poland |
| 05:27.33 | craigevil-eee | kmeyer new maintainers guide just install it |
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| 05:27.46 | kmeyer | craigevil-eee: install what? |
| 05:27.50 | Wyzard | Pavlz: For downloading full CD images, it's better to use bittorrent |
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| 05:28.04 | Pavlz | GNU/linux Debian |
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| 05:28.16 | Pavlz | i hate torrent |
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| 05:28.43 | craigevil-eee | kmeyer: apt-get install maint-guide |
| 05:28.44 | Wyzard | Pavlz: Torrents generally download faster, and they don't have the problem of getting disconnected and having to start again |
| 05:28.48 | stoneCold__ | up to now I was only able to install suse on my notebook, just because suse copies the install system to the hdd before actually launching it, which enabled me to change /etc/pcmcia/config.opts to workarround the problem ... could I do similar with ubuntu/debian too somehow ? |
| 05:29.09 | kmeyer | craigevil-eee: great, thanks. |
| 05:29.28 | Pavlz | in poland only for the distribution i386 needed 16 gb of binary |
| 05:29.32 | kr0w | Someone, speaks Portuguese? |
| 05:29.42 | Wyzard | Pavlz: Also, you probably don't need to download the full CD images |
| 05:29.48 | Pavlz | use google to translate |
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| 05:30.00 | Wyzard | Pavlz: Do you have an Internet connection on the computer where you want to install Debian? |
| 05:30.22 | Pavlz | on my pc |
| 05:30.31 | Wyzard | !tell kr0w about portugese |
| 05:30.32 | Pavlz | i got 200 gb and 1 gb di ram |
| 05:31.13 | Wyzard | Pavlz: You can download the netinst CD, which is small and should only take a few minutes |
| 05:31.25 | Wyzard | Pavlz: That'll download other packages during installation |
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| 05:31.55 | Wyzard | Pavlz: You only need the full CDs if you want to have all of Debian available without ever needing an Internet connection |
| 05:32.03 | Pavlz | yes, but i prefeer so, i just started and i am to three per cent |
| 05:32.17 | Wyzard | Pavlz: You're downloading much more than you need |
| 05:33.03 | Pavlz | only first dvd 4 gb and more |
| 05:33.22 | Pavlz | as iso |
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| 05:33.43 | danilu | hello al |
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| 05:33.45 | danilu | hello all |
| 05:33.59 | Pavlz | than when needed to unpack the packes, i think 50 gb |
| 05:34.03 | Pavlz | hello |
| 05:34.44 | danilu | i install apache2 with php on my debian, a configure a virtual host but when i access www.site.com.br se go to /var/www and not to /var/www/site |
| 05:34.51 | danilu | anyone can help me |
| 05:35.09 | Pavlz | say, and i see if i can |
| 05:35.09 | craigevil-eee | why would you want to download all of the dvds? just use the netinstall or if you want kde/xfce you only need 1 cd |
| 05:35.43 | Pavlz | because i want remove ubuntu |
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| 05:37.01 | enouf | stoneCold__: you could do some sort of preseeding maybe? check the installation guide |
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| 05:37.09 | enouf | !tell stoneCold__ -about ig |
| 05:37.21 | Wyzard | Pavlz: You don't need to download all the Debian DVDs to remove Ubuntu |
| 05:37.25 | enouf | !tell stoneCold__ about preseeding |
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| 05:37.57 | craigevil-eee | Pavlz: you dont need all of the dvds, if you have a good connection netinstall is the easist,http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ |
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| 05:38.24 | lymeca | Will Lenny have 2.6.25? |
| 05:38.26 | enouf | http://goodbye-windows.com even ;-) |
| 05:38.30 | danilu | anyone can help me ? |
| 05:38.31 | danilu | i install apache2 with php on my debian, a configure a virtual host but when i access www.site.com.br se go to /var/www and not to /var/www/site |
| 05:38.39 | enouf | lymeca: maybe |
| 05:38.56 | craigevil-eee | lymeca: 2.6.25 has been in lenny for a couple of weeks |
| 05:39.13 | lymeca | enouf: I would love to see 2.6.26 make it in.... is there any chance? |
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| 05:39.44 | lymeca | craigevil-eee: I'm talking about Lenny when it becomes stable |
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| 05:40.20 | amol | hi to all ,i am using lenny.in that G2410 hp scanner is not detecting..help |
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| 05:41.02 | enouf | lymeca: why not just go for 2.8 ;-) |
| 05:41.17 | lymeca | enouf: 2.8? |
| 05:41.24 | enouf | ... |
| 05:41.42 | enouf | 2.4 2.6 2.8 |
| 05:41.45 | craigevil-eee | amol: did you install hplip |
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| 05:42.07 | amol | craigevil-eee:yes |
| 05:42.08 | lymeca | I mean I get it but as far as I knew the Linux versioning thing hasn't been decided on yet and the next version would be 2.6.27 |
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| 05:43.10 | amol | craigevil-eee: hplip installed version is 2.7.10-5 |
| 05:43.31 | lymeca | enouf: Or were you making a joke? I couldn't tell, sorry. |
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| 05:43.57 | lymeca | It's just that now that 2.6.26 is stable and there's talk of freezing lenny soon, I hoped it would make it in. |
| 05:44.20 | kr0w | I want to access my network by my UTP cable connected in my network device(eth0), but as my non-root user the system reports "No network devices have been found", as root the same device is detected. I just finish to install the system. Someone (with great patience) might help me? |
| 05:44.29 | enouf | lymeca: it'll have what the latest that can be put into it |
| 05:44.40 | lymeca | eh |
| 05:44.48 | danilu | cd apache |
| 05:44.58 | lymeca | OKay well more important question |
| 05:45.09 | lymeca | Will it have a stock Xen kernel for dom0 and domU? |
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| 05:45.39 | enouf | kr0w: sounds like maybe your user isn't in a special group it needs to be? |
| 05:45.49 | enouf | kr0w: maybe netdev? |
| 05:45.59 | enouf | or plugdev? or |
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| 05:46.27 | Wyzard | kr0w: Only root can use things like ifconfig that actually deal directly with network devices like eth0 |
| 05:46.32 | enouf | lymeca: being worked on, AFAIK |
| 05:46.40 | Wyzard | but any user can use the network for communciation |
| 05:46.46 | Wyzard | ping things, open connections, etc. |
| 05:47.08 | enouf | Wyzard: er.. /sbin/ifconfig ;-) |
| 05:47.19 | kr0w | Wyzard: Why? |
| 05:47.27 | Wyzard | well, I mean to actually configure things |
| 05:47.32 | enouf | righto |
| 05:47.35 | Wyzard | kr0w: why what? |
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| 05:49.07 | enouf | doggonnit |
| 05:49.17 | enouf | nothing about netdev in file:///usr/share/doc/base-passwd/users-and-groups.html |
| 05:50.56 | kr0w | |
| 05:50.56 | kr0w | If I understood correctly, you said that only the root can access the network. But the root is used only for administrative matters, if a user does not want to root surf the Internet using the network, as does? |
| 05:50.59 | Wyzard | netdev is for network-manager, I believe |
| 05:51.09 | Wyzard | kr0w: No, any user can access the network |
| 05:51.20 | Wyzard | kr0w: Only root can *configure* the network (for example, changing the IP address) |
| 05:51.33 | kr0w | ok |
| 05:51.48 | Wyzard | Ordinary network communication should work fine for any user |
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| 05:52.50 | kr0w | Wyzard: But my user canot access the network |
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| 05:53.17 | Wyzard | kr0w: You said you're getting a "no network devices have been found" message |
| 05:53.27 | Wyzard | kr0w: What command gives you that message? |
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| 05:55.06 | kr0w | Wyzard: This happened when repousei the mouse pointer over the icon network on the top bar, near the clock. |
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| 05:55.33 | deadcat | can someone give me a summary on the DNS stuff. as an end user, what do i have to do? |
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| 05:56.25 | izzyb | deadcat, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade |
| 05:56.39 | deadcat | izzyb: done that. i dont even run a dns server |
| 05:57.00 | izzyb | then nothing afaik. it's a problem more for your isp |
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| 05:57.09 | deadcat | k. |
| 05:57.14 | izzyb | unless you run you're own dns servers/cache |
| 05:57.17 | deadcat | what about the routers? and stuff |
| 05:57.21 | deadcat | no. |
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| 05:57.43 | izzyb | I don't know the details of the bug, but afaik, it's only dns servers that need to worry |
| 05:57.46 | Wyzard | kr0w: I don't know what icon that is, though it might be NetworkManager |
| 05:57.52 | deadcat | thanks |
| 05:57.54 | sherl0ck_ | Hi, how do i block a package from being installed through apt? |
| 05:57.55 | izzyb | specifically bind |
| 05:58.05 | izzyb | and I'm sure Microsoft's dns servers are effected |
| 05:58.11 | izzyb | runs tinydns which isn't |
| 05:58.17 | tyler | no |
| 05:58.21 | tyler | routers dont need to worry |
| 05:58.23 | deadcat | sherl0ck_: dpkg --set-selections |
| 05:58.25 | tyler | residential equip doesnt need to worry |
| 05:58.33 | deadcat | thanks all |
| 05:58.34 | achivetta | deadcat: just check who your upstream DNS server is and make sure they are patched, or change to one that is |
| 05:58.34 | tyler | its only the major DNS servers thatre authorative for lots of things |
| 05:58.37 | tyler | or that are used heavily |
| 05:58.39 | tyler | yeah ^ |
| 05:58.46 | tyler | i bet its safe to use 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 |
| 05:58.55 | achivetta | or opendns |
| 05:59.07 | tyler | the basics of the bug isnt a hard concept to understand... is theres basically an important number sent with each packet |
| 05:59.13 | tyler | but you can predict the way this number changes |
| 05:59.23 | tyler | and with this number you can spoof things, and in turn poison the DNS servers cache |
| 05:59.30 | deadcat | ah |
| 05:59.31 | tyler | so the patch, afaik, randomnizes the number |
| 05:59.36 | Nyle | so what does that do? |
| 05:59.42 | tyler | what does what do? |
| 05:59.46 | tyler | the fkaw? |
| 05:59.48 | tyler | flaw* |
| 05:59.49 | Nyle | you can point people in other sites by fucking the dns cache? |
| 05:59.58 | izzyb | makes it hard to predict the sequence of the number |
| 06:00.00 | tyler | oh |
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| 06:00.00 | tyler | yes |
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| 06:00.11 | tyler | the patch does that, makes it hard to predict the number |
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| 06:00.12 | Nyle | like playboy.com goes to analgape.com |
| 06:00.13 | Nyle | or something? |
| 06:00.15 | tyler | yep |
| 06:00.16 | tyler | now |
| 06:00.17 | Nyle | ahh |
| 06:00.17 | achivetta | right, i can make www.googe.com resolve my my server by poisoning a DNS cache |
| 06:00.20 | tyler | take a second and think... |
| 06:00.21 | asha | doxpara.com has more info |
| 06:00.27 | tyler | what if i hacked a MAJOR dns server thousands of people used |
| 06:00.31 | Nyle | tyler, /msg dpkg enter |
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| 06:00.36 | tyler | heh |
| 06:00.42 | \amethyst | tyler: then you'd have a lot of phish |
| 06:00.47 | tyler | made a fake sourceforge.net, and implanted viruses into all exes and zips |
| 06:01.01 | tyler | if you think about that, thats a good understanding of how big the problem is :P |
| 06:01.10 | Nyle | its not a big problem |
| 06:01.19 | Nyle | I'm sure the major dns servers are already patched |
| 06:01.20 | tyler | it is |
| 06:01.21 | Nyle | this bug isn't brand new |
| 06:01.33 | tyler | it was discovered under a month ago |
| 06:01.34 | \amethyst | Nyle: lots of ISPs aren't patched yet, actually |
| 06:01.50 | tyler | and there are multiple universities in the USA, that have been under attack the last 24 hours |
| 06:02.00 | Nyle | well of course |
| 06:02.01 | asha | the same bug had been speculated as early as 2000 |
| 06:02.05 | \amethyst | Nyle: also, the current fixes don't work so well when your DNS is behind reverse NAT |
| 06:02.06 | kr0w | Wyzard: |
| 06:02.07 | kr0w | Excuse me, I think the problem is the network physics, worked for a while and stopped again. |
| 06:02.09 | Nyle | then it can be potentially dangerous |
| 06:02.11 | tyler | it obviously wasnt patched |
| 06:02.16 | tyler | because look at whats happened now |
| 06:02.18 | Wyzard | kr0w: "network physics"? |
| 06:02.24 | Nyle | asha, right |
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| 06:02.32 | asha | djbdns did fix it, isc just put all their eggs into dnssec which never took off |
| 06:02.41 | tyler | thank god it wasnt found for 3w |
| 06:02.51 | Nyle | 3w? |
| 06:02.52 | tyler | because IF it *was* found by a blackhat etc, it probably wouldve been much worse |
| 06:02.56 | tyler | yes a security advisor found it |
| 06:02.58 | kr0w | Wyzard: |
| 06:02.58 | kr0w | I will replace the plate and see what happens. |
| 06:03.05 | tyler | then within the past couple days, someone else published the specifics |
| 06:03.05 | Nyle | whats is a 3w? |
| 06:03.09 | tyler | 3 weeks |
| 06:03.14 | Nyle | dude.. |
| 06:03.18 | tyler | what? |
| 06:03.24 | Nyle | don't be a lazy ass |
| 06:03.29 | owen1 | how to convert my shuffle to simple audio player? |
| 06:03.29 | tyler | lol? |
| 06:03.32 | tyler | whatever |
| 06:03.33 | amol | hi to all,hp g2410 scanner is not getting detected in lenny..? |
| 06:03.45 | amol | how to workout? |
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| 06:03.59 | Nyle | hpijs |
| 06:04.08 | asha | tyler, curious though kaminksy is holding out until the BlackHat conference to disclose the technicals, though ;) |
| 06:04.09 | Nyle | install it, follow directions |
| 06:04.14 | asha | kaminsky* |
| 06:04.19 | tyler | asha: yeah :), but someone else found it hehe |
| 06:04.23 | tyler | i think? |
| 06:04.31 | tyler | i mean, the code is published... i have it ;p |
| 06:04.33 | asha | as i said, it's been speculated since 2000 |
| 06:04.36 | tyler | ill find the pastebin, 1s |
| 06:04.48 | Nyle | 1s |
| 06:04.50 | Wyzard | kr0w: Your statements aren't making much sense to me |
| 06:04.54 | achivetta | amol: what have you done to determine if it is detected? |
| 06:04.55 | Wyzard | kr0w: You might find #debian-br more helpful |
| 06:04.58 | tyler | http://pastebin.ca/1081479 explains it in detail |
| 06:05.07 | asha | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/07/09/dns_bug_student_discovery/ |
| 06:05.10 | tyler | and im pretty sure metasploit has the code |
| 06:05.23 | asha | http://cr.yp.to/djbdns/forgery-cost.txt |
| 06:05.32 | Nyle | nice |
| 06:05.34 | Nyle | crypto |
| 06:05.49 | tyler | http://www.caughq.org/exploits/CAU-EX-2008-0002.txt |
| 06:05.55 | asha | that's bernsteins page. guy who wrote qmail and djbdns |
| 06:06.00 | amol | achivetta:xsane image scanner gui |
| 06:06.01 | Nyle | enough |
| 06:06.06 | Nyle | we get the fucking picture guys |
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| 06:06.10 | tyler | chill out, man |
| 06:06.13 | tyler | youre the one who asked |
| 06:06.15 | tyler | hehe |
| 06:06.24 | kr0w | Wyzard: The problem was badly contact in PCI slot. |
| 06:06.40 | Nyle | damn pci slut |
| 06:06.43 | kr0w | Wyzard: Shame! |
| 06:06.45 | xjih78 | yo |
| 06:06.49 | Nyle | hi |
| 06:07.01 | kr0w | Wyzard: But anyway, thank you for the help and attention. |
| 06:07.23 | Nyle | yes |
| 06:07.28 | Nyle | it is attention you crave don't you |
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| 06:07.38 | Nyle | heh I'm bored shitless |
| 06:07.42 | Nyle | Wyzard, entertain me |
| 06:08.26 | Nyle | we're off to see the Wyzard |
| 06:08.33 | Nyle | the wonderful Wyzard of #debian |
| 06:08.39 | Wyzard | lol |
| 06:08.42 | Nyle | hehe |
| 06:08.48 | achivetta | amol: do you see it listed here http://www.sane-project.org/sane-mfgs.html#Z-HEWLETT-PACKARD |
| 06:08.52 | sherl0ck | hi, so i installed iptables from source and now trying to install another package that needs iptables, but apt wants to install iptables from the repo, how can i block or fix the dep? |
| 06:10.02 | amol | achivetta:no |
| 06:10.22 | Wyzard | sherl0ck: You can use the "equivs" package to satisfy the dependency so apt won't try to install iptables, but why are you building iptables from source? |
| 06:10.22 | Nyle | sherl0ck, put it on hold |
| 06:10.39 | Nyle | oh you mean you build from source not source package |
| 06:11.10 | sherl0ck | Nyle, yea so i can have iptables 1.4, its for xen and some conflicts |
| 06:11.23 | Nyle | and you are using etch? |
| 06:11.29 | sherl0ck | Wyzard, where do i find equivs |
| 06:11.34 | Nyle | !equivs |
| 06:11.35 | dpkg | methinks equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also <usrlocal> |
| 06:11.41 | Wyzard | sherl0ck: I use Xen in etch and I don't have any problems with iptables |
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| 06:12.18 | achivetta | amol: does sane-find-scanner list anything? |
| 06:12.19 | sherl0ck | oh, i think the problem was actually i was usiing l7filter and ipp2p modules |
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| 06:12.53 | amol | achivetta:noting listed |
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| 06:13.34 | achivetta | amol: is your user a member of the scanner group? |
| 06:14.12 | amol | achivetta:yes |
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| 06:14.35 | sherl0ck | Nyle, btw where do i go to put a package on hold? |
| 06:16.33 | achivetta | amol: do you see it under /proc/bus/usb or in the output of lsusb? |
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| 06:17.00 | squid0 | hi. I'm at this place which has a wifi network. I can connect fine in windows xp, once I've added a hex address as the location of a settings script (??), but I can't connect with linux (ubuntu). should I pastebin some logs? |
| 06:17.39 | JyZyXEL | squid0 you can see the wlan in iwlist? |
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| 06:19.08 | amol | achivetta:now i am in office,and scanner is not here with me..can you tell me what next i have to do after lsusb? |
| 06:19.24 | squid0 | JyZyXEL: yes. I see it, try to connect with knetworkmanager, works fine, but then when it tries to connect with the router, it fails |
| 06:20.15 | achivetta | amol: well, if you don't see it is lsusb, then the issue is with your computer recognizing the USB device, if you do, then the problem is with SANE communicating with the scanner |
| 06:20.46 | owen1 | how to convert my shuffle to simple audio player? |
| 06:21.20 | amol | achivetta:how to solve that communication problem? |
| 06:22.55 | achivetta | amol: good question, and not one that i know the answer too, it would depend on a lot of things (log output might be helpful, do you see anything in dmesg when you plug in the scanner?). One thing you can try: boot with the scanner attached, sometimes it makes a difference. |
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| 06:23.30 | Wyzard | wonders why strace in i386 sid depends on libc6-amd64 |
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| 06:28.39 | amol | achivetta:some scanner used to get detected under linux but when we tries to scan it comes only blank why? |
| 06:31.29 | enouf | Wyzard: never knew root had better PCI bus contacts ;-) |
| 06:31.51 | achivetta | amol: i don't know, sorry. If the scanner is detected, but there are problems with the actual output of the scan, that might be a question for the sane mailing lists |
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| 06:43.24 | Crypticfortune | Eek, so I just upgraded this system into lenny and for the most part everything's cool and shiny, but for some odd reason my numeric keypad seems to be functioning as a mouse (in gnome). how do i turn this off? |
| 06:44.43 | owen1 | how to convert my shuffle to simple audio player? |
| 06:44.54 | Crypticfortune | ahhh found it. keyboard preferences -> mouse keys. (how on earth did that get turned on by default??) |
| 06:45.44 | Sebboh | Crypticfortune, mice in your house? :) |
| 06:46.11 | jetscreamer | maybe there's an #ipod or #shuffle |
| 06:46.13 | Crypticfortune | Sebboh: little gnome mice scurryng around =P |
| 06:46.15 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 06:47.07 | Sebboh | owen1, I don't understand. Isn't your shuffle already a simple audio player? jetscreamer, well, there's an #iphone for sure. :) |
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| 06:48.25 | danielvrf | morning |
| 06:48.38 | isakey | how stable is debian unstable? :/ |
| 06:49.10 | Lagbolt | isakey, that is a silly question. it is usable if you know what you are doing but could cause many headaches |
| 06:49.15 | kmeyer | unstable or testing? |
| 06:49.20 | owen1 | Sebboh: i want to change the OS so it will be easier to move audio files. right now i have issues with the shuffle - "Disk /dev/sdf doesn't contain a valid partition table" |
| 06:49.20 | the-dude1 | define stable? |
| 06:49.31 | Crypticfortune | isakey: i personally think a better term would be "volatile" but that term already has a different meaning in debian repositories... |
| 06:49.42 | owen1 | Sebboh: so i can't mount it. |
| 06:50.01 | the-dude1 | im running unstable but it never crashes or freezes, but something packages get broken, but that doesn't make my system unstable.... |
| 06:50.08 | Lagbolt | owen1, still trouble with the ipod? does it mount in windows without trouble? |
| 06:50.45 | owen1 | Lagbolt: i have win on vbox. do i need to install itunes to reset the firemware? |
| 06:50.49 | isakey | the-dude1: packages get broken in what way? can you explain? |
| 06:51.05 | Lagbolt | yeah, what the-dude1 said. i used unstable for a long time but i never used kde/gnome desktops so mostly an occasional broke dependency. testing works better and is what i use now |
| 06:51.30 | the-dude1 | isakey: like in when you do a distupgrade a package might not install, or get broken |
| 06:51.35 | Lagbolt | owen1, i dont know, i dont know the problem. i was just wondering if windows worked with it before you spend days trying to make it work in linux to find out it is broke |
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| 06:51.41 | the-dude1 | i mean apt-get upgrade |
| 06:52.05 | owen1 | Lagbolt: i'll try it now. |
| 06:52.07 | isakey | Lagbolt: the-dude1: do broken dependencies require manual fixing or fix themselves with next updates automatically? |
| 06:52.16 | Lagbolt | owen1, what output do you get in the logs (dmesg or /var/log/messages etc) when you plug it in |
| 06:52.19 | Sebboh | owen1, I see. Well, I don't know if it will help you or not, but, I've used gtkpod with other devices, not the shuffle. |
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| 06:52.37 | the-dude1 | isakey: most of the time they will be fixed with the next update, but sometimes you have to fix it yourself |
| 06:52.39 | owen1 | Sebboh: what does it do? |
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| 06:53.10 | Crypticfortune | testing also might have some unusual dependency issues and crazy stuff breaking. basically just two different degrees of "this might take some manual hacking" |
| 06:53.23 | isakey | Crypticfortune: oh |
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| 06:54.48 | Lagbolt | isakey, i suggest using it unless you are quite good at solving problems on your own. why do you want to use it? whats wrong with backports? etchandhalf? or lenny? |
| 06:55.04 | Sebboh | owen1, I don't know about the shuffle, but, other modern ipods don't just play a bunch of files that you put in them. There is a Library, and it has to have a lot of metadata for the ipod to actually play music. So, gtkpod tries to create the Library for you on the ipod.. I think. By the way, every software update that Apple does makes this harder--they want you to use iTunes. (For example, about six months ago, they added SHA hashes to en |
| 06:55.09 | Crypticfortune | also this channel can't help you as much if you're running testing/unstable because systems can vary widely depending on the time of day and phase of the moon =P |
| 06:55.20 | isakey | from what i see at distrowatch, even unstable not recieved 2.6.26 kernel yet? is it true and why? |
| 06:55.38 | et | you can easily compile your own kernel |
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| 06:55.52 | Lagbolt | isakey, cause it is not ready for unstable or it would be in unstable :) |
| 06:55.53 | Crypticfortune | isakey: just make your own |
| 06:56.15 | owen1 | Sebboh: i'll try not to buy any apple product. they pretty but suck my blood. |
| 06:56.32 | isakey | Lagbolt: i use ubuntu at the moment and like it. problem is that i always want latest software installed. like ubuntu got transmission 1.06, and latest stable release is 1.22 |
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| 06:57.25 | isakey | thats why i want try debian unstable |
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| 06:58.06 | Crypticfortune | incidentally since upgrading this sytem to lenny (and switchign to the stock kernel), i'm very much enjoying the timestamps on kernel messages. is this some kernel option I didn't know about? or some extra kernel patch? |
| 06:58.07 | Lagbolt | isakey, testing <-- i find it is always a little ahead of a ubuntu release. at least from what i see with my friends using ubuntu |
| 06:59.39 | isakey | Lagbolt: is it true that testing repo still have firefox 3.0rc2 ? (from what i see on distrowatch) |
| 06:59.58 | Lagbolt | isakey, yeah that is what i am using but it is iceweasel |
| 07:00.35 | the-dude1 | does lenny have iceweasel 3.x :/ ? |
| 07:00.37 | cr3rzemjest | does anybody use mpd/mpc? yesterday it worked but today i type in 'mpc ls' and nothing happens... ;( |
| 07:01.02 | Lagbolt | the-dude1, iceweasel 3.0~rc2-2 |
| 07:01.13 | Lagbolt | 3.0.1-1 is in unstable |
| 07:01.52 | the-dude1 | weird my machine still has 2.x |
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| 07:02.19 | isakey | ok guys thanks. you are nice. |
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| 07:03.49 | Crypticfortune | the-dude1: maybe you're like me and often forget to update the 32bit chroot where your browser lives? =P |
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| 07:05.11 | the-dude1 | perhaps *g* |
| 07:05.24 | snadge | has anyone here used debian as a domU on xen AND gotten the graphical frame buffer to work? |
| 07:05.59 | snadge | im talking about the -xen kernel, and paravirt |
| 07:06.20 | Sebboh | starbug.. Snadge, do I know you from #help or #kahn? |
| 07:06.51 | snadge | you might know someone else who uses this host, theres only like 3 people it could be |
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| 07:13.22 | HappyHater | I need some help changing the way nautilus opens folders. right now everything opens in it's own new window, I'd like it to open with the --browser option instead of whatever it's doing now |
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| 07:13.44 | HappyHater | not sure where I'd change that though |
| 07:14.01 | TuxCrafter | hello everybody, i got a problem with my server, i got "something" writing on a two second interval to my raid array, and it is killing my hard drives faster and makes annoying noises. How can I detect what program is writing to my hard disks? |
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| 07:14.35 | the-dude1 | TuxCrafter: lsof? |
| 07:14.38 | TuxCrafter | i can see it happening with bwm-ng but don't know the source |
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| 07:15.06 | et | lsof + inotify perhaps |
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| 07:16.54 | TuxCrafter | hmm lsof has loads of options |
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| 07:17.14 | TuxCrafter | used it only on specific dirs before |
| 07:17.40 | TuxCrafter | don't know how to monitor a complete system for new harddisk activity |
| 07:17.45 | lxsameer | hi , when i try to compile splashy 3.2 i stop with an error like this: ld :attempted static link of dynamic object /usr.../glib......so . what should i do? |
| 07:17.56 | the-dude1 | just type lsof |
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| 07:20.01 | TuxCrafter | the-dude1: the output of just lsof is huge |
| 07:20.45 | TuxCrafter | lets see if i can find a tutorial |
| 07:21.08 | the-dude1 | lsof|less |
| 07:21.43 | et | lsof | grep the_directory_your_rogue_process_is_writing_to |
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| 07:21.49 | Crypticfortune | or lsof | grep directory/im/interesting/in |
| 07:22.31 | Crypticfortune | is interesting in his own terrible grammar |
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| 07:23.19 | noosphere | hi folks - I am wondering what a cpe:// url is for - my /etc/system-release-cpe contains one |
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| 07:27.05 | noboru | hi folks |
| 07:27.27 | noboru | anyone know by default, EXIM works on which port ? 25 ? |
| 07:27.37 | noboru | i mean exim listens on ? port ? |
| 07:27.51 | the-dude1 | by default yes |
| 07:27.56 | noosphere | noboru, netstat -taupen | grep exim |
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| 07:28.20 | noosphere | while exim is running that is |
| 07:28.28 | noboru | wait |
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| 07:28.57 | n00b | where do i configure gdm to run in 800x600 ? |
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| 07:29.30 | noboru | hi noosphere ,it displays 2 ports |
| 07:29.38 | noboru | one is 25,another is 587 ? |
| 07:29.49 | noboru | both are stated as TCP |
| 07:29.51 | TuxCrafter | the-dude1: do you know how to find active files with lsof instead of open files? |
| 07:30.26 | noboru | noosphere, i ran that command,told me 2 of exim ,hmm |
| 07:30.58 | Crypticfortune | noboru: grep 587 /etc/services |
| 07:31.04 | noboru | okay |
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| 07:31.26 | noboru | submission 587/tcp # Submission [RFC2476] |
| 07:31.34 | noboru | submission 587/udp |
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| 07:31.40 | noboru | that what it says. |
| 07:31.56 | noosphere | noboru, netstat -taupen | grep exim | grep LISTEN |
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| 07:32.19 | et | n00b: should just use whatever X is configured to |
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| 07:32.53 | noboru | noosphere, report the same |
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| 07:33.10 | n00b | et: =/ |
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| 07:33.57 | Crypticfortune | noboru: so if you read up on the RFC mentioned there in /etc/services, submission is another way of handing messages to exim for delivery |
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| 07:35.13 | noboru | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:36.04 | noboru | im currently chating with the hardware firewall support online, suspecting that they did something wrong in their config that bans my email from sending out. |
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| 07:39.45 | Crypticfortune | noboru: quite possible (though not necessarily "wrong"). lots of ISPs ban outbound connections to port 25 (especially from dynamic IPs) because they don't want their customers to be spam zombies |
| 07:40.16 | noboru | Crypticfortune, my server has a static IP, the email feature used to be okay |
| 07:40.18 | noboru | strange. |
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| 07:41.19 | noboru | Crypticfortune, i forgot to ask,please, so the port 25 and port 587 should both be open in the firewal config and including both tcp and udp to let exim work properly ? |
| 07:41.39 | vorsprung | noboru, udp? why? |
| 07:41.48 | noboru | i am not sure,that is why i ask |
| 07:41.59 | noboru | the supporter is waiting my answer |
| 07:42.24 | vorsprung | noboru, smtp doesn't require plain udp. It uses connections |
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| 07:42.46 | cr3rzemjest | how to disable service starting during boot? |
| 07:42.59 | noboru | vorsprung, so i would only need tcp port 25 to be open in the firewall thats it ? |
| 07:43.00 | cahoot | man update-rc.d |
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| 07:44.50 | HappyHater | is there a way to find out where memory is being allocated? I looked in my bios/cmos settings can't see where I'd allocated any at all, but about half my ram is m.i.a. |
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| 07:45.05 | Crypticfortune | noboru: yeah, like vorsprung said, SMTP/ESTMP only use TCP (afaik), so tcp only should be ok (though allowing udp shouldn't hurt, especially since this is the ISP's firewall, not yours) |
| 07:45.19 | cahoot | HappyHater: what do you mean? |
| 07:45.20 | TuxCrafter | et: thanks your for the inotify tip |
| 07:45.29 | TuxCrafter | it let me to iwach |
| 07:45.33 | noboru | Crypticfortune, i see,so i need to tell them to enable tcp port 25 and 587 okay ? |
| 07:45.47 | HappyHater | cahoot, I'm only showing 825MB, when there is actually 1.5G |
| 07:46.02 | cahoot | HappyHater: get a 686 kernel |
| 07:46.05 | Crypticfortune | noboru: wouldn't hurt, but that may not be the real cause of your problem... |
| 07:46.52 | cahoot | HappyHater: i e a kernel with highmem support |
| 07:47.49 | shital_ | any body knows the site where i can get the list of Device Driver example codes? |
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| 07:48.03 | HappyHater | hmm ok, the one I've got now is 486 |
| 07:48.15 | noboru | Crypticfortune, OKAY,let me test it out |
| 07:48.20 | HappyHater | so I just need to compile the 686 kernel and it's good to go? |
| 07:48.29 | wols | HappyHater: just install one |
| 07:48.30 | cahoot | HappyHater: use aptitude |
| 07:49.21 | cr3rzemjest | cahoot, thx |
| 07:49.37 | cahoot | cr3rzemjest: might also try rcconf |
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| 07:50.35 | cr3rzemjest | if i remove service using update-rc.d, it removes also K- symlinks... so when i shutdown the system with manually started service, is it possible to mess something up? |
| 07:50.58 | cahoot | it will stop the services first |
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| 07:51.27 | cahoot | or at least ask your permission to do so |
| 07:51.38 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
| 07:51.40 | aporetic | okay, so i just installed debian from the 'minimal' cd, and aptitude can't seem to find any packages -- x, apache, whatever. |
| 07:51.41 | HappyHater | cahoot, does it have to be the 'bigmem' version? |
| 07:51.43 | aporetic | what am i doing wrong? |
| 07:51.50 | Vicfred | Hi, iceweasel's flash isn't working properly, how do i change it to use adobe flash plugin? |
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| 07:53.37 | langenberg | I've setup my own debian server and I would like to be able to send mail from it (for example from a php script). Now I don't need a full blown mail server, since I will not receive any mail on it. What's the common way to set this up? I'm familiar with the sendmail binary that I can use on my mac and it would be great if that would also work on my debian server. |
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| 07:54.08 | cahoot | HappyHater: no 686 is enough |
| 07:54.30 | noboru | email works back again :D : D thank you mr. Crypticfortune and noosphere :D |
| 07:54.34 | HappyHater | alright, installing now... thanks for your help |
| 07:55.01 | noosphere | noboru, nice 1 :) |
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| 07:55.42 | TuxCrafter | et: the-dude1: thanks for the help i hope i can find the problem when it appears again i going to use the following command to monitor the harddisk: iwatch -r -e close_write,create,delete,move,delete_self,move_self -x /home/vmail/ / |
| 07:55.46 | Crypticfortune | noboru: congrats ^^ |
| 07:55.51 | noboru | :) |
| 07:56.04 | kantor | hi, is there a command, C function to retrieve the kernel page cache size ? |
| 07:56.28 | wols | kantor: unlikely. open some /proc file and read it out probably |
| 07:56.30 | Crypticfortune | kantor: totally not a debian question, but man getpagesize |
| 07:56.47 | kantor | thanks ;-) |
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| 07:57.16 | nkuttler | langenberg: you can use anything you want. if you like configuring sendmail, go for it. |
| 07:57.28 | langenberg | nkuttler: great :) |
| 07:57.29 | Crypticfortune | kantor: oh wait, page cache size? i read "page size". sorry *^^* |
| 07:57.43 | langenberg | nkuttler: Is exim4 better supported? I'm reading something about it in the offcial docs. |
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| 07:58.28 | kantor | no problem |
| 07:59.05 | nkuttler | langenberg: exim is the mta that gets installed by default. |
| 08:00.03 | aporetic | wow. i thought linux would get better after a decade. guess i thought wrong. ;) |
| 08:00.40 | Dewi | aporetic: how did it install if there are no packages? |
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| 08:00.52 | Dewi | aporetic: also, aptitude has nothing to do with "linux" |
| 08:01.04 | HappyHater | thanks again cahoot |
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| 08:01.07 | aporetic | Dewi: yes, i know. i'm just frustrated and lashing out. |
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| 08:01.23 | Wyzard | aporetic: If you install from the minimal CD, apt won't know about any packages unless you let it download package lists from the Internet |
| 08:01.24 | cahoot | HappyHater: np |
| 08:01.32 | TuxCrafter | bye guys thanks for the help |
| 08:01.34 | aporetic | Dewi: i believe my present difficulties may have something to do with skipping apt configuration during install. how could i go about doing that now that the system's up? |
| 08:01.43 | Wyzard | aporetic: that's a step in the installation process |
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| 08:02.02 | Dewi | aporetic: by editing /etc/apt/sources.list and then running 'aptitude update' to fetch package lists |
| 08:02.33 | aporetic | Dewi: i did that -- added 'deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free' |
| 08:02.44 | aporetic | then i ran aptitude update. still nothing. |
| 08:02.58 | aporetic | or rather, not nothing. a handful of packages are listed, mostly libraries. |
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| 08:03.07 | Wyzard | aporetic: Change "deb-src" to "deb" |
| 08:03.12 | Dewi | aporetic: that's a source-package source. No ready-to-install packages there |
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| 08:03.25 | Dewi | !sources.list |
| 08:03.25 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 08:03.28 | Wyzard | aporetic: deb-src lines are for getting source packages (used for compiling binary packages) |
| 08:03.39 | aporetic | aaaah. yes, i should've known. |
| 08:04.31 | aporetic | perfect. thanks for the help. |
| 08:04.34 | n00b | anyobydy knows a font to use on 800x600? |
| 08:04.39 | aporetic | (i will now refrain from insulting your operating system of choice) |
| 08:04.46 | n00b | i can't barely read here lol |
| 08:04.51 | Vicfred | iceweasel's flash isn't working properly (its freezing the client), how do i change it to use adobe flash plugin? |
| 08:05.15 | Wyzard | n00b: whatever font you want... you don't need special fonts for different screen resolutions |
| 08:05.23 | Dewi | n00b: bitstream vera mono is very compact |
| 08:05.28 | steven_ | Vicfred: preferences and mime/filetypes i think :) |
| 08:05.49 | Wyzard | n00b: You might just want to adjust the size |
| 08:06.12 | n00b | ok, lemme test |
| 08:07.47 | n00b | yea, it gets a little better |
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| 08:09.26 | k-man_ | the nvidia oneliner for post etch refers to nvidia-kernel-source but I don't seem to have that package available to me |
| 08:09.40 | wols | k-man_: what debian branch? |
| 08:10.07 | aporetic | okay, just one more dumb question before i hopefully leave you guys alone. |
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| 08:10.20 | aporetic | is there an easy way i can install the kernel sources using apt? |
| 08:10.30 | wols | apt-get source <your kernel package> |
| 08:10.50 | wols | apt-get install linux-source might exist too |
| 08:10.57 | k-man_ | wols, lenny i386 |
| 08:11.21 | wols | !tell k-man_ about nvidia_lenny |
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| 08:16.53 | aNOOBisa | Hi can someone tell me how to discover all active ip's in a network segment from a certain ip address upward? |
| 08:17.25 | Crypticfortune | aNOOBisa: define "active?" |
| 08:17.54 | the-dude1 | aNOOBisa: try nmap |
| 08:18.01 | aNOOBisa | ethnet cable connected |
| 08:18.13 | aNOOBisa | and can be pinged |
| 08:18.18 | Crypticfortune | aNOOBisa: (but i'm guessing there's a 99% chance the answer to your question is nmap |
| 08:20.12 | Dewi | aNOOBisa: a quick scan is like this - nmap -sP 192.168.22.* |
| 08:20.19 | Dewi | (pings) |
| 08:20.35 | Crypticfortune | aNOOBisa: yup, nmap will work. (eg. nmap -sP 192.168.0.200-254) |
| 08:20.44 | aNOOBisa | I just installed nmap |
| 08:20.53 | aNOOBisa | thanks so much it makes life easier |
| 08:20.54 | aNOOBisa | :) |
| 08:20.58 | aNOOBisa | thanks guys |
| 08:21.49 | aNOOBisa | great works super :D Happy! |
| 08:23.13 | rowinggolfer | aNOOBisa another option is etherape. it's a little graphical app showing network traffic. |
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| 08:23.51 | aNOOBisa | rowinggolfer: nmap is perfec thanks though |
| 08:24.37 | rowinggolfer | cool |
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| 08:28.56 | HappyHater | you still here cahoot? I installed linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 but it's headers but when I try to install the nvidia driver it says it's a Xen kernel? |
| 08:29.10 | HappyHater | and it's headers* |
| 08:32.08 | HappyHater | which kernel do I need to get? |
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| 08:33.09 | pete_ | HappyHater: there's parameter for that what you need to enable. It's something like XEN_AVAILABLE=1. You can check it from that nvidia script |
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| 08:33.58 | HappyHater | alright, let me open it up in nano right quick |
| 08:36.58 | wols | HappyHater: what debian branch are you running? |
| 08:37.13 | HappyHater | lenny |
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| 08:40.08 | Vicfred | Hi, I tried to install the nvidia driver and i got this http://debian.pastebin.com/d15864d9b |
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| 08:41.02 | Crypticfortune | Vicfred: like it says, Xen and Nvidia don't get along >_>;; |
| 08:41.11 | HappyHater | so I just need to add that XEN_AVAILABLE=1 option in the beggining of the install script? |
| 08:41.54 | Vicfred | Crypticfortune, i just upgraded to 2.6.25-2-686, is this a xen kernel? |
| 08:42.09 | HappyHater | we got the same problem Vicfred |
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| 08:43.03 | pete_ | HappyHater: that's not right option. Check that config/script. It's stated there |
| 08:43.58 | HappyHater | I've got the installer I downloaded from nvidia openned in nano, couldn't find much in it I could understand |
| 08:44.00 | k-man_ | wols, so now that i have the nvidia driver installed, do i have to modify xorg.conf to use it or will it autodetect? |
| 08:44.08 | Crypticfortune | ooh then i suspect there's a different problem lurking there...whatever's doing that nvidia install might be misinterpreting that kernel as a xen kernel? |
| 08:45.01 | wols | k-man_: afaik it should autodectect. check your XOrg.0.log to make sure |
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| 08:45.30 | wols | HappyHater: ask #nvidia. we do not support nvidia.com installers |
| 08:45.35 | wols | k-man_: what kernel do you have? |
| 08:45.44 | wols | ie what kernel version? |
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| 08:45.50 | k-man_ | wols, stock 2.6.25-2-486 |
| 08:45.59 | wols | k-man_: I'd get the -686 |
| 08:46.16 | wols | HappyHater: it's a nvidia.com installer problem. not supported |
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| 08:48.39 | HappyHater | ok I've asked in there, maybe someone will know what to do |
| 08:49.05 | k-man_ | wols, am i right in thinking that the latest xorg now can auto detect the video card and pick a driver appropriately |
| 08:49.08 | k-man_ | ? |
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| 08:50.20 | HappyHater | it sucks at it in the limited experience I've had... always ends up adding nothing but 'configured device' for my monitor/gfx |
| 08:50.37 | Vicfred | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483650 |
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| 08:51.12 | k-man_ | HappyHater, are you talking to me? |
| 08:52.01 | HappyHater | yeah |
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| 08:53.01 | k-man_ | HappyHater, yeah, it doesn''t seem to detect my card either |
| 08:53.18 | Crypticfortune | ok, i'm confused. why is aptitude claiming "couldn't resolve 'security.debian.org'" but i can ping security.debian.org just fine? (see http://rafb.net/p/z8xfUa20.html |
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| 08:55.34 | trifler | Is there a way to get colors on folders files etc when you tab for autocompletion in a terminal |
| 08:55.37 | trifler | ? |
| 08:56.23 | langenberg | Alright I've installed sendmail on my debian server and I can now send an email from the commandline. However, sended mails end in my Spam box (gmail), how can I convince those mail servers I'm not a spammer? |
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| 08:57.09 | vorsprung | langenberg, check your DNS reverses maybe? |
| 08:57.51 | langenberg | vorsprung: Does that mean that if I send an email from foo@bar.com, bar.com must be resolved to the same IP as the email sender? |
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| 09:01.04 | k-man_ | so theres no way to get xorg 7.3 to use the binary nvidia driver automatically? I have to manually set it in xorg.conf? |
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| 09:05.04 | Crypticfortune | ahh found my problem. apparently setting mdns4_minimal in nsswitch without support for mdns does bad things. |
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| 09:10.46 | wols | k-man_: yes Xorg from lenny onwards does this |
| 09:11.04 | wols | but if the nvidia drivers ara available it should do so automatically |
| 09:11.08 | wols | k-man_: lsmod |grep nvidia |
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| 09:18.22 | HappyHater | hey Vicfred if you find a solution let me know about it :) |
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| 09:18.43 | Vicfred | didnt the patch work for you? >_< |
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| 09:19.03 | HappyHater | no, it worked for you? |
| 09:19.13 | HappyHater | maybe I did something wrong |
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| 09:29.18 | xjih78 | what does this message mean? |
| 09:29.19 | xjih78 | Cannot lock the password file; try again later. |
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| 09:33.16 | TuxCrafter | hello everybody, i got a problem with my server, something is causing two second interval writings to my harddisk and i don't know what is causing it. rebooting the server makes it go away temporary. I did a iwatch monitor tracing but it did only show the following: http://pastebin.ca/1082423 does anybody know how i can do some more monitoring i think it may have something to do with incoming traffic in the server? |
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| 09:38.13 | botox | anybody in here have or have used SANNET 2 enclosures from dothill? |
| 09:38.19 | botox | >or sccli |
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| 09:39.40 | ranDomized | xjih78, you got a process (user management app?) already ryunning ? |
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| 09:41.11 | pumpkin0 | i need a JBOD-style device over several files on Debian 4.0, kernel 2.6.18. Where do i start ? |
| 09:41.25 | xjih78 | randomity: just found out that the filesystem is mounted ro |
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| 09:41.32 | xjih78 | lol |
| 09:41.52 | ranDomized | xjih78, hehehe |
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| 09:42.10 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, you mean make an image and mount it? ie non-phys? |
| 09:42.56 | xjih78 | randomity: and i started it in a single user mode |
| 09:43.47 | pumpkin0 | dutchfish: i have 3 files (each 1GB, each on a different usb-stick). I want one mountable 3GB device. RAID0 or JBOD does not matter. (This is a embedded debian) |
| 09:44.24 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, lvm2 can do that |
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| 09:46.06 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, but i am afraid you have to backup your data first, or at least shuffle it around |
| 09:46.23 | pumpkin0 | dutchfish: are you sure the old md-style arrays are not more RAM-efficent ? (the 3 files are empty) |
| 09:47.17 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, i have good expirience with lvm2 and its more flexible too, if you need changes or want snapshotting later on |
| 09:47.58 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, i dont know about the overhead on small devices but i gues its not much |
| 09:48.45 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, it depends on the underlying fs mainly, use ext3 preferable |
| 09:49.04 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, or even ext2, if you dont need hournaling |
| 09:49.07 | pumpkin0 | dutchfish: i dont need snapshot & stuff. It is just one 2.8GB file that has to be saved on the device. It's a log that gets reclaimed every day. |
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| 09:49.20 | dutchfish | s/hournaling/journaling |
| 09:49.26 | CSOSDIODE | hi all |
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| 09:49.42 | CSOSDIODE | i am in a big fix hoping some 1 can help |
| 09:49.56 | pumpkin0 | dutchfish: OK, so what do i need for lvm2-support ? (mind you i cannot change the kernel w/o reflashing the whole device...) |
| 09:50.01 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, the make on pv out of the 3 disks and wack an pv and fs on it |
| 09:50.16 | dutchfish | s/pv/lv |
| 09:50.16 | CSOSDIODE | i have the dreaded "delay write error" any 1 know the fix for it |
| 09:50.22 | CSOSDIODE | i am using xp sp2 |
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| 09:50.51 | CSOSDIODE | any 1 |
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| 09:51.01 | cahoot | you've landed in a linux channel |
| 09:51.01 | CSOSDIODE | desperate turd here |
| 09:51.06 | CSOSDIODE | oh |
| 09:51.16 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410 |
| 09:51.21 | Corwin | The fix is Debian dude |
| 09:51.43 | pumpkin0 | dutchfish: thanks, will try it. it worked if i don't come back ... |
| 09:51.51 | dutchfish | pumpkin0, ;) |
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| 09:57.41 | JonkoPA | how can I upgrade/update my box automaticly with cron? |
| 09:57.47 | JonkoPA | is there some program that can help me do that? |
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| 09:58.10 | pete_ | haha, yep. cron and apt-get |
| 09:58.17 | dutchfish | !cron-apt |
| 09:58.17 | dpkg | somebody said cron-apt was a highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that security.debian.org will never have broken package or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update> |
| 09:58.38 | pete_ | well that's nice |
| 09:58.40 | JonkoPA | !cron-apt-tips |
| 09:58.56 | JonkoPA | !cron-apt tips |
| 09:58.56 | dpkg | You might want to have cron-apt use aptitude rather than apt-get (set APTCOMMAND=/usr/bin/aptitude in /etc/cron-apt/config). To automatically install packages as well: echo "upgrade -y -o APT::Get::Show-Upgraded=true" > /etc/cron-apt/action.d/4-upgrade |
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| 10:02.06 | JonkoPA | Why would one use aptitude over apt-get? |
| 10:02.19 | dutchfish | !aptitude |
| 10:02.20 | dpkg | methinks aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> <aptitude-fu> |
| 10:03.01 | JonkoPA | !why aptitude |
| 10:03.02 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 10:03.24 | oskude | can you disable this in aptitude ? also installs "Recommended" packages |
| 10:03.28 | JonkoPA | hmm, won't that be dangerous, i.e for example ssh or apache? |
| 10:03.45 | JonkoPA | that they will eventually be removed by aptitude? |
| 10:04.11 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, nope |
| 10:04.35 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, aptitude is fairly reliable |
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| 10:04.51 | JonkoPA | i keep thinking that apt-get is more mature |
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| 10:05.15 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, you still are i control and can abort at any time if you dont like what it is going to do |
| 10:05.29 | JonkoPA | I have the automatic upgrade option turned on |
| 10:05.49 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, not anymore, its was through till sarge |
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| 10:07.04 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, whatever you you choose, be sure not to mix them (dont use both) |
| 10:07.58 | JonkoPA | Alright, what about setting the apt-get configuration priority from low to normal or to critical? what package has to be reconfigured? |
| 10:08.19 | JonkoPA | or, dpkg configuration |
| 10:08.24 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, its all in the manpages and its related docs |
| 10:09.05 | geggam | im curious why one should not mix apt-get with aptitude... are they not doing the same thing ? |
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| 10:09.35 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, it can be pretty precise, but you can miss it up also, so do it step by step, the defaults are pretty good |
| 10:09.41 | geggam | if the packages have the dependencies defined properly switching the manager shouldnt do diddly |
| 10:10.38 | dutchfish | geggam, there are times that there dicisions would conflict, based on whats already installed |
| 10:10.48 | JonkoPA | dutchfish, I already remembed, it was debconf that had to be reconfigured in order, to prioritize the questions it asks you. |
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| 10:11.25 | geggam | so which package manager adds to the package defintions ? |
| 10:11.29 | dutchfish | geggam, as been said already aptitude is more clever in removing unnaccery related packages when you remove one. apt-get not. go figure |
| 10:11.56 | dutchfish | JonkoPA, yes, its all about verbosity |
| 10:12.15 | geggam | ive been quite surprised by aptitude when it removed some packages i was using because it thought i shouldnt have them |
| 10:12.49 | dutchfish | geggam, both do, but sometimes in diferent ways, hard to explain this in my non-native language, read the docs/mapages |
| 10:12.55 | nandersson | Hi, I write for Swedish tech-mag TechWorld Open Source. I wonder if Canonicals "Launchpad" and their dev-environment has a positive impact on Debian or if that is completely neutral. |
| 10:13.22 | geggam | understandable dutchfish my apologies... i took you for a native english speaker |
| 10:13.34 | nandersson | I'm looking into the relation ship between Debian and Ubuntu and I know that Ubuntu is mostly Debian. |
| 10:13.44 | dutchfish | nandersson, its positive and negative. Both |
| 10:14.00 | vorsprung | nandersson, never heard of it |
| 10:14.05 | vorsprung | nandersson, I'll google |
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| 10:14.10 | nandersson | dutchfish, In what way? |
| 10:14.19 | oskude | nandersson, i'm just a lurking, but AFAIK launchpad is closed-source, so... |
| 10:14.47 | nandersson | oskude, Yeah, but its open source within 12 months |
| 10:15.01 | geggam | so within 12 months it could impact ? |
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| 10:15.13 | oskude | nandersson, ok, ill start the count... maybe you should ask again then ;) |
| 10:15.19 | dutchfish | nandersson, debian users tend to stick (and sometimes defend) debian. partly because of the succes of debian. Sometimes poeple dropping in for support and not clearly stating that they use ubuntu. That can be frustrating. |
| 10:15.30 | geggam | nandersson, keep in mind the debian developers forked firefox due to licensing |
| 10:16.30 | nandersson | dutchfish, Yes, I can understand that. I thought about the synergies between using their dev-platform and smashing bugs - also for Debian. |
| 10:16.39 | dutchfish | nandersson, its all about what poeple want. While ubuntu is driven by speedy development debian tends to rely on stability first |
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| 10:17.31 | dutchfish | nandersson, there is a lot of good synergy going on, so its partly hate love relationships, most of it is fruitfull however, so i am not worried at least |
| 10:17.33 | nandersson | dutchfish, You're right about that. Debian has always been "legacy" so to say |
| 10:17.59 | geggam | debian is the BSD of linux... solid mature and reliable |
| 10:18.14 | geggam | ubutnu tends to be a bit flaky |
| 10:18.20 | geggam | my opinion |
| 10:18.31 | trinux | !best |
| 10:18.32 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 10:18.34 | vorsprung | ubuntu for desktop, debian for server |
| 10:18.44 | dutchfish | nandersson, there is alot of confusion too, most ubuntu users expect more from debian what can be given, look at the point i already explained |
| 10:18.53 | nandersson | dutchfish, I'm asking becuase in the Lenny-announcement I saw that packages are going to be more or less compatible with Ubuntu |
| 10:19.07 | dutchfish | nandersson, yes, true |
| 10:19.17 | nandersson | dutchfish, and that made me curious |
| 10:19.18 | trinux | they always been compatible "more or less" :) |
| 10:19.24 | dutchfish | nandersson, but still debian is not ubuntu, and wont be |
| 10:19.48 | nandersson | dutchfish, No, and it shouldn't be either |
| 10:19.50 | jelly | nandersson: btw, what lenny announcement? |
| 10:20.05 | nandersson | jelly, http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2868263273.html?kc=rss |
| 10:20.11 | trinux | <Lenny> i will be here soon |
| 10:20.19 | jelly | thanks |
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| 10:20.42 | dutchfish | nandersson, its all about preferences, if i need a an OS on my server, i would choose debian hands down. Not so sure about the desktop. I think ubuntu did a good part on invloving new poeple to linux. |
| 10:20.56 | nandersson | dutchfish, So I thought that maybe there is more collaboration between the distributions |
| 10:21.28 | dutchfish | nandersson, partly yes, and upstream there is more colaboration going on |
| 10:21.29 | jelly | oh, there be freeze! |
| 10:21.40 | nandersson | dutchfish, Yes, but my interest lies more in how the development can be more efficient - in all dists |
| 10:21.47 | jelly | !freeze |
| 10:21.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, freeze is when we put the testing version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 10:21.49 | dutchfish | nandersson, i myself being not sure what it will bring in the future .... |
| 10:21.59 | nandersson | dutchfish, Like OpenSUSEs Build Service - an interesting project |
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| 10:22.30 | jelly | !rc bugs |
| 10:22.31 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
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| 10:22.58 | geggam | nandersson, to use the hated car analogy... ubuntu is like buying an old reliable car and putting aftermarket parts on it... some parts might make it run and look better but some parts flake out.... but underneath its still the original car |
| 10:23.00 | nandersson | dutchfish, It also seems that all distributions are becoming more interested to work with the groups upstream |
| 10:23.12 | dutchfish | nandersson, if you want to compare, look at the packagemanagers, i think Debian has the best cards at the moment, that is if you not look at hyping things, but in long term definitions |
| 10:23.46 | nandersson | dutchfish, yes, apt is a killer app |
| 10:23.48 | dutchfish | nandersson, yes thats through |
| 10:24.54 | dutchfish | nandersson, my only wish i would like to express is that ubuntu will not be misguided by frills on the desktop too much. If it manage to stay "clean" it has a great future too |
| 10:25.43 | dutchfish | nandersson, you should also delve in the OEM market, great things are happening there atm (preinstalled systems) |
| 10:25.50 | nandersson | dutchfish, and I think that Ubuntus aim to consolidate all packages under version control would be a help for Debians as well. At least that's how I think it is |
| 10:26.31 | dutchfish | nandersson, i am not sure about that, but if they manage to make quality again, yes it surely will |
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| 10:27.04 | dutchfish | nandersson, in the past code from that camp was not always accepted gladly |
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| 10:27.15 | geggam | would be interesting to see them get the maintainers to all sign on |
| 10:27.21 | dutchfish | nandersson, Debian strives quality in the first place |
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| 10:27.43 | dutchfish | nandersson, good luck, Sir |
| 10:27.44 | jelly | Does anyone have bind9 backported for sarge i386 by any chance? O:-) |
| 10:27.50 | nandersson | dutchfish, Yes, like RHEL, SLED and SLES |
| 10:28.16 | nandersson | dutchfish, that "cherry pick" the packages they trust and can maintain |
| 10:28.37 | jelly | debian maintains EVERYTHING! :-) |
| 10:29.04 | mordy_ | good afternoon all |
| 10:29.12 | dutchfish | !debianlove |
| 10:29.13 | dpkg | debianlove is probably the more i gain knowledge about linux, the more i like debian. Ask me about <whydebian> too. For more info look also at http://wiki.debian.org . |
| 10:29.15 | nandersson | dutchfish, Thank you! |
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| 10:30.46 | mordy_ | hehe, well at least my graphics are slightly better |
| 10:31.14 | niru | Is there any package or tool in openosurce environment like kbdedit |
| 10:31.19 | et | dpkg: debianlove =~ s/wiki.debian.org ./wiki.debian.org./ |
| 10:31.20 | dpkg | et: OK |
| 10:31.30 | niru | which we can use to make our own keyboard mappings |
| 10:31.43 | niru | from gui |
| 10:31.45 | jelly | geggam: [car analogy] no, ubuntu messes with the engine as well. they have more advanced dpkg, for example, and only recently has some of that functionality been brought into debian. |
| 10:32.00 | Suprano | is it possible that a video driver slows down a SERVER? |
| 10:32.29 | niru | what is the driver for hp scanjet G2410 scanner |
| 10:32.29 | jelly | Suprano: what kind of video driver? Xorg, framebuffer? |
| 10:32.35 | niru | I dont find any in debian |
| 10:32.44 | niru | how to use my scanner now |
| 10:32.50 | geggam | ive used ubuntu for a year and it worked .... but for some reason i didnt like it jelly... just felt different |
| 10:32.57 | geggam | somethings would flake out |
| 10:33.05 | Suprano | jelly i think Xorg |
| 10:33.09 | geggam | somethings worked smoother |
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| 10:34.08 | geggam | debian for the desktop and BSD for the server ;) |
| 10:34.10 | mordy_ | suprano, IIRC the only way a video card can slow down a server was if the driver isn't installed properly and is trying to access memory not belonging to it - or some other issue like that. but if you're using a driver intended for your card i can't see any porblems |
| 10:34.11 | niru | any body |
| 10:34.59 | mordy_ | of course, this is assuming that you're actually not using the server for any graphics-related task |
| 10:35.12 | Suprano | mordy_, i think its the vesa driver (i am asking for a friend) he said the cpu rises to 100% when he moves a window |
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| 10:35.36 | mordy_ | suprano, the vesa driver is never good. only use vesa ifall else fails |
| 10:36.21 | wols | Suprano: the question is: why do you run a X server on a server? |
| 10:36.39 | mordy_ | !vesa |
| 10:36.40 | dpkg | VESA, arguable at least, stands for "video electronics standards association" and is a mode that can be used on vid cards for the framebuffer xserver and other neat stuff. not accelerated |
| 10:36.49 | Suprano | wols, yep, thats really the question Oo. he has problems with config files |
| 10:37.03 | wols | that doesn't explain why he runs a xserver. try again |
| 10:37.21 | wols | tell him to remove all xorg packages |
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| 10:37.28 | wols | !remove X |
| 10:37.28 | dpkg | remove x is, like, "aptitude remove x11-common" will remove X. use "purge" instead of remove if you want it to also remove X's configuration. |
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| 10:37.35 | geggam | vnc because he is CLI retarded wols ? |
| 10:37.47 | wols | geggam: that is no explanation |
| 10:37.57 | geggam | probably the truth tho |
| 10:38.15 | wols | geggam: I didn't say he can't run xlibs. just no X server |
| 10:38.19 | wols | and that means no VNC either |
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| 10:38.26 | RunningRabbit | howdy |
| 10:38.32 | jelly | Suprano: yeah, the vesa driver is completely unaccelerated. Don't move windows around much! |
| 10:38.33 | RunningRabbit | having some difficulties installing alien |
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| 10:38.43 | RunningRabbit | tried # apt-get install alien |
| 10:38.44 | wols | so even if he is "CLI retarded" there is no reason for an X server |
| 10:38.55 | RunningRabbit | but i get E: Package alient has no installation candidate |
| 10:39.01 | RunningRabbit | *alien |
| 10:39.10 | wols | RunningRabbit: fix your sources.list |
| 10:39.12 | mordy_ | suprano - at the very least he should disable all these fancy graphics features (like moving window contents while dragging and that stuff) |
| 10:39.15 | jelly | wols: some other server-oriented distros do install X and other crap by default |
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| 10:39.25 | wols | jelly: useless distros then |
| 10:39.30 | wols | jelly: there is no point |
| 10:39.43 | Suprano | i told him to use ssh -X/Y for his GUI-config stuff |
| 10:39.48 | Suprano | and he should kill the xorg |
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| 10:40.01 | Suprano | and its the nv driver as we just found out |
| 10:40.25 | mordy_ | vesa works the same on all boxes i've seen. slow |
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| 10:41.08 | jelly | wols: some commercial-db-installers-in-java refuse to work correctly over ssh -X |
| 10:41.09 | masus | hi all, is there any avalaible package gnome 2.2 for debian etch ready. |
| 10:41.26 | jelly | *cough*Oracle*cough* |
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| 10:42.42 | gnunixguy | ssh+vnc? or does that cause problems too? |
| 10:42.50 | RunningRabbit | hmm so no ideas about alien install problems? |
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| 10:43.02 | wols | RunningRabbit: I told you |
| 10:43.14 | mordy_ | is it possible for a computer to have multiple or "secondary" hostnames? |
| 10:43.18 | wols | gnunixguy: remote X. X over ssh |
| 10:43.18 | RunningRabbit | my bad didnt notice |
| 10:43.30 | RunningRabbit | how do i go about that? |
| 10:43.31 | noboru | hi wols ,may i ask a question please |
| 10:43.32 | abrotman | mordy_: DNS |
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| 10:43.50 | abrotman | mordy_: you can put additional names in /etc/hosts too |
| 10:43.52 | gnunixguy | wols: i havent tried that, but i do have VNC running over an SSH connection atm, so i can chat on IRC :) |
| 10:44.02 | abrotman | mordy_: but it will only have one real host name that the system calls itself |
| 10:44.02 | noboru | my debian server ,if it runs over 1 month,the server becomes lagging |
| 10:44.11 | noboru | hi abrotman ,how are you ? |
| 10:44.14 | abrotman | hi |
| 10:44.21 | wols | gnunixguy: vnc has advantages for persistent connections but huge disadvantages otherwise |
| 10:44.36 | noboru | i found it out,yes, so i have to reboot my server in every month ;( but this is strange right ? |
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| 10:44.53 | mordy_ | abrotman - yes; but can it work with dnsmasq and dhclient? |
| 10:44.53 | gnunixguy | wols: i agree, i cant do anything but change skills on EVE because the refresh rate sucks |
| 10:44.59 | noboru | if i dont reboot it,whatever i restart apache,it won't fix it,the server just lagging. |
| 10:45.02 | abrotman | mordy_: to do what? |
| 10:45.06 | gnunixguy | but for general admin, it works for me |
| 10:45.29 | wols | gnunixguy: look into a BNC or irssi as a proxy |
| 10:45.44 | wols | or best of all: ssh+screen+irssi |
| 10:45.54 | gnunixguy | Wols: yeah, ive done that too |
| 10:46.15 | mordy_ | abrotman: i mean can i configure dhclient to send multiple hostnames in dhclient.conf |
| 10:46.20 | gnunixguy | but i like the desktop up and for everything but EVE it works fine for me :) |
| 10:46.27 | mordy_ | or do you want to know *why* i would like to do it |
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| 10:48.13 | abrotman | mordy_: no i do not know if you can do it, nor do i know why you'd want to |
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| 10:49.14 | RunningRabbit | thanks for the help mordy, cheers |
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| 10:51.03 | niru | Does debian have a driver for hp scanjet g2410 |
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| 10:51.57 | mordy_ | abrotman: if i'm running a bunch of services on a server - i want each type of client to identify its server by name: for example, if i'm running a proxy server i want the hostname of the server to be "proxy"; now if i want to make another box a proxy server, all i would need to do is remove the secondary hostname "proxy" from the current box and add it to the new one |
| 10:52.09 | dutchfish | niru, hplip and friends in lenny do if i am correct |
| 10:52.13 | bonii | How can I find out which packages on my system were part of the base install ? |
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| 10:52.35 | abrotman | mordy_: try dns or netbios |
| 10:52.38 | niru | dutchfish, I have hplip installed but still it shows device not found |
| 10:52.50 | niru | I mean the scanner device not found |
| 10:52.54 | niru | dutchfish, what could be the reason |
| 10:52.55 | dutchfish | niru, usb or network? |
| 10:52.57 | mordy_ | man dns? |
| 10:53.28 | niru | dutchfish, usb |
| 10:53.44 | dutchfish | niru, what does lsusb tells you? |
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| 10:55.16 | masus_ | have typed CTRL+z at the console and the current screen has stopped how to make this undo ? |
| 10:55.26 | aNOOBisa | can anyone tell me how to find the first instance of a word with grep? |
| 10:55.29 | mordy_ | masus - bg |
| 10:55.34 | aNOOBisa | and first instance only |
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| 10:56.19 | masus_ | mordy_: bg -> [1]+ Stopped irssi |
| 10:56.45 | masus_ | mordy_: how to start it again |
| 10:57.02 | aleksanteri | run irssi again? |
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| 10:57.23 | masus_ | no there was notes i have to read them |
| 10:57.26 | cahoot | aNOOBisa: --max-count=NUM? |
| 10:57.33 | mordy_ | hmm.... i don;'t think bg can resume programs running in the console itself. not sure though |
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| 10:58.21 | se7en_ | fg & bg irssi |
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| 10:58.39 | mordy_ | fg=foreground? |
| 10:58.39 | masus_ | fg irssi has work |
| 10:58.42 | masus_ | thank you |
| 10:59.44 | mordy_ | hehe, i'll add that to my speeddial as well. although i shhould have thought of it. doh |
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| 11:00.02 | aNOOBisa | cahoot the problem is that I am searching a file for 2 words, say x and y. Now x is unique while y is not, but I want to have my result show only x,y |
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| 11:01.13 | cahoot | aNOOBisa: too complicated for me |
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| 11:02.38 | aNOOBisa | thanks anyway cahoot |
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| 11:04.31 | dutchfish | aNOOBisa, did you delve in the advanced bash scripting guide? |
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| 11:06.10 | marco | hello all |
| 11:06.29 | marco | i run here a pppoe connector inside a vm |
| 11:06.37 | marco | via bridged ethernet |
| 11:06.51 | marco | both host and guest can ping each other |
| 11:07.06 | marco | how do i now provide the host internet connectivity via the guest? |
| 11:07.11 | marco | routing? |
| 11:07.43 | dutchfish | marco, xen? |
| 11:07.46 | marco | oh, and how do I change the console size? running at 640x480 sucks because of the small screen |
| 11:07.55 | marco | dutchfish: nah, the host is windows |
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| 11:08.10 | marco | i just need some gateway in the guest |
| 11:08.11 | gnunixguy | marco, then which VM manager? |
| 11:08.13 | dutchfish | marco, ask #windows |
| 11:08.33 | marco | dutchfish: no, as that what I have to do is definitely in the debian guest^^ |
| 11:08.38 | marco | as the guest provides the pppoe |
| 11:08.41 | marco | gnunixguy: vmware |
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| 11:08.56 | bonii | How can I find out which packages on my system were part of the base install ? |
| 11:08.56 | gnunixguy | marco, is the vm setup for nat? |
| 11:08.58 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 11:09.04 | marco | gnunixguy: no, bridged |
| 11:09.10 | Ace2016_- | anyone know a program which allows one to graph cpu temperature? |
| 11:09.10 | bonii | I mean the packages that came with the media |
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| 11:09.21 | gnunixguy | is the host bridged also? |
| 11:09.26 | marco | gnunixguy: yeah |
| 11:09.52 | gnunixguy | then youre beyond me :) I use nat because it just works, no matter what the host usually |
| 11:10.01 | marco | gnunixguy: i just need to setup something in the guest that traffic from eth0 to ppp0 |
| 11:10.02 | noboru | debian is cool :) |
| 11:10.02 | Eulex | bonii, you can't. |
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| 11:10.17 | noboru | but, the kernel shipped with etch is kinda old,right ? |
| 11:10.20 | Ace2016_- | bingo ksysguard did it |
| 11:10.29 | Ace2016_- | what about motherboard voltages, i wish to plot those also |
| 11:10.30 | dutchfish | marco, http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html |
| 11:10.51 | gnunixguy | why to ppp0? shouldnt windows be porting your connection straight through the eth0 on vmware? |
| 11:10.55 | noboru | i was hearing the new kernel will offer ip level features,for example, connection limits ,stuff like that. |
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| 11:11.02 | marco | dutchfish: shouldn't a simple bridge eth0=>ppp0 be sufficient? |
| 11:11.08 | the-dude1 | Ace2016_-: sensord ? |
| 11:11.10 | marco | gnunixguy: the guest has the ppp connection |
| 11:11.20 | marco | that is the point ^^ |
| 11:11.28 | marco | i need to log why my dsl connection fails |
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| 11:11.51 | marco | and i dont trust win for that |
| 11:11.55 | ericpersson1 | Is it possible to put the debian install cd on a harddrive partition and then boot from it? I dont have a cd or floppy or usbports available on the target machine.. |
| 11:12.29 | marco | ericpersson1: can you make PXE boot? |
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| 11:13.01 | the-dude1 | ericpersson1: yeah play with grub |
| 11:13.26 | gnunixguy | Marco, youre going about it a completely different way than i would... give dutchfish's link a shot and see what you can do with that |
| 11:13.29 | oskude | ericpersson1, as far i remember correctly, yes. but dunno how that was done... (it was years i had a "root" server with suse and i found a tutorial on howto to install debian on that) |
| 11:13.31 | the-dude1 | or just do a basic install |
| 11:13.38 | kringalf | happy sysadminsay |
| 11:13.39 | ericpersson1 | marco: no, no network card, just a pcmcia one.. |
| 11:13.43 | kringalf | s/say/day/ |
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| 11:13.58 | gnunixguy | I would just pipe my adsl to the vmware via eth0 and call it a day :) |
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| 11:14.34 | gnunixguy | if that goes bad, then i dont think it would matter what type of connection, but thats me :) if it works, it works and i dont try to go about it a different way |
| 11:14.35 | marco | gnunixguy: well basically thats what i am doing |
| 11:14.46 | marco | i attached the modem to the computer's ethernet |
| 11:14.55 | marco | then bridged vmwares eth0 |
| 11:14.56 | ericpersson1 | the-dude1: i tried a simple dd if=/dev/sr0 of=/dev/hda2 to get the cdimage to the harddrive, but grub didnt like it, wrong partition type.. |
| 11:15.01 | wols | ericpersson1: how do you boot it right now? |
| 11:15.06 | marco | and then pppoeconf |
| 11:15.19 | dutchfish | marco, look at 6.1 in http://tldp.org/HOWTO/TransparentProxy.html and rethink |
| 11:15.25 | marco | kk |
| 11:15.30 | the-dude1 | ericpersson1: it doesn't work that way |
| 11:15.32 | marco | i'll try to open it |
| 11:15.50 | ericpersson1 | wols: I had windows on it, but the disk died, and I bought a new one, so its blank, i tried to put a few things on it, but no luck.. |
| 11:15.53 | dutchfish | marco, have to go now, good luck |
| 11:16.02 | wols | ericpersson1: no way then |
| 11:16.04 | marco | kk thx |
| 11:16.23 | wols | ericpersson1: remove the disk. put it into a box which has a CDROM and install. |
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| 11:16.33 | wols | when installed move it over to the nonbootable box |
| 11:16.49 | the-dude1 | ericpersson1: or install grub+kernel+rootfs |
| 11:17.02 | wols | the-dude1: he cannot install anything. he has no OS at all |
| 11:17.03 | ericpersson1 | wols: ah... woudlnt that be problem with the hardware? |
| 11:17.09 | wols | ericpersson1: linux is not windows |
| 11:17.37 | ericpersson1 | wols: well, i'm aware.. ;) |
| 11:17.48 | wols | so windows limitations don't apply |
| 11:18.01 | wols | thee 486 kernel should runn anywhere |
| 11:18.02 | ericpersson1 | wols: the stupid thing with linux is that you never reinstall, so you hardly know how to do it.. |
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| 11:19.00 | the-dude1 | ericpersson1: if you have trouble installing , then you said read more :S |
| 11:19.04 | the-dude1 | should |
| 11:19.25 | the-dude1 | installing is only 10 minutes of work or so |
| 11:19.58 | ericpersson1 | the-dude1: yeah, sure it is, if you have a cdrom.. ;) |
| 11:20.39 | the-dude1 | cdrom,usb-stick,network, serial cable anything will do |
| 11:20.58 | oskude | ericpersson1, i feel your pain, my old pc had atleas floppy drive... |
| 11:21.20 | ericpersson1 | the-dude1: well, serial would do perhaps.. its an old laptop..so.. |
| 11:21.45 | the-dude1 | or floppy? |
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| 11:22.03 | ericpersson1 | the-dude1: no floppy either.. |
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| 11:22.41 | abrotman | !hd-media |
| 11:22.41 | dpkg | To install debian without any removable media read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s05.html.en You can get the vmlinuz and initrd.gz from here: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ (note these are for etch on i386) |
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| 11:23.50 | Noborusan | hi abrotman ,i would like to ask,are you free ? |
| 11:23.54 | oskude | ericpersson1, i think your only chance (as someone already said) is to plug the hd in another machine |
| 11:24.18 | ericpersson1 | oskude: perhaps, the hdmedia seems interesting though.. |
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| 11:24.44 | abrotman | Noborusan: my mom sold me for $10 to a nice man |
| 11:24.48 | abrotman | runs |
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| 11:25.04 | oskude | ericpersson1, yeah, but how are you gonna get that in the machine ? |
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| 11:25.24 | KiLlER-101 | hi guys |
| 11:25.30 | KiLlER-101 | i have a problem |
| 11:25.50 | ericpersson1 | oskude: I have a laptop that im writing this on, running debian, and a usb-hd cable.. |
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| 11:26.19 | abrotman | Noborusan: uh why? |
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| 11:26.23 | marco | what route do I need to route everything from eth0 to ppp0? |
| 11:26.32 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 11:26.33 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 11:27.08 | oskude | ericpersson1, ah ok. then the hdimage is your friend (i assume) |
| 11:27.25 | marco | abrotman: how does this one work? |
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| 11:29.15 | ericpersson1 | oskude: yeah, seems like the docs are a bit less wordy about the hd-media part.. |
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| 11:31.09 | ma3x | how do i mount fat32? |
| 11:31.37 | wols | like any other partition |
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| 11:31.44 | ma3x | sd 6:0:0:0: [sdc] 1024000 512-byte hardware sectors (524 MB) |
| 11:31.46 | wols | mount /dev/sdx2 /mnt/ |
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| 11:32.00 | ma3x | but when i try to mount it it says mount: special device /dev/sdc2 does not exist |
| 11:32.06 | ma3x | it says the same for sdc1 |
| 11:32.10 | wols | fdisk -l |
| 11:32.25 | wols | ma3x: is it a U3 stick? |
| 11:32.47 | ma3x | nope |
| 11:32.48 | ma3x | fat32 |
| 11:32.53 | ma3x | ah i dont really know |
| 11:32.58 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: ls -la /dev/sdc* ? |
| 11:33.00 | ma3x | dmesg says[125810.376767] sdc: unknown partition table |
| 11:33.10 | ma3x | brw-rw---- 1 root floppy 8, 32 2008-07-25 13:29 /dev/sdc |
| 11:33.23 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: mount /dev/sdc /m-point ? |
| 11:33.43 | ma3x | that works |
| 11:33.44 | ma3x | thanks |
| 11:33.52 | ma3x | i never thought it would be /dev/sdc only |
| 11:34.03 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: the stick is way, way out of the norm. But have fun anyway. |
| 11:34.05 | sladi | Hi! aptitude update says gives a warning, which isn't there anymore when I repeat it: http://pastebin.com/d127a56f0 |
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| 11:34.45 | wols | sladi: ran aptitude update? |
| 11:35.01 | wols | sladi: also check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 11:35.35 | sladi | wols: Yes I ran 'aptitude update'. The sources.list in the link. ^^ |
| 11:35.38 | gynterk | vi /etc/apt/source.list and remove dup entry |
| 11:35.49 | gynterk | then apt-get update |
| 11:36.00 | ma3x | pumpkin0: yeah, usually you don't just mount /dev/hda or /dev/sdc without a number, right? |
| 11:36.02 | wols | sladi: I did not ask about your sources.list but sources.list.d/ |
| 11:36.11 | sladi | gynterk: Can't I ave one entry for lenny and another for sid at the same time? |
| 11:36.20 | wols | ma3x: usually not and windows might seriously barf at that stick |
| 11:36.25 | gynterk | wouldn't be a good idea |
| 11:36.27 | oskude | ericpersson1, have you searched google for howtos ? |
| 11:36.33 | gynterk | many conflicts might appear |
| 11:36.36 | pumpkin0 | Max_Headroom: usually people put a partition table on a block device. |
| 11:36.43 | pumpkin0 | ma3x: ^^ |
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| 11:37.09 | Homere | hello |
| 11:37.25 | oskude | ericpersson1, i used something like this http://www.underhanded.org/papers/debian-conversion/remotedeb.html but would be an overkill for your task |
| 11:37.35 | gynterk | because packages in both repos with same names, but with different versions |
| 11:37.49 | gynterk | many depency errors might occur |
| 11:38.21 | sladi | gynterk: I did apti pinning, so it prefers lenny over sid. |
| 11:38.22 | JonkoPA | How do I add users to several gid numbers? |
| 11:38.43 | marco | abrotman: it worked, thanks |
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| 11:39.00 | ma3x | wols: did you have some viral infection or what? never heard that 'barf' word |
| 11:39.15 | sladi | gynterk: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 11:39.16 | Homere | I'm using NFSv4 on Etch (client and server), I've found that the performances were very bad. |
| 11:39.24 | gynterk | yeh i know |
| 11:39.34 | gynterk | sladi, afaik it's only warning |
| 11:39.42 | pete_ | Homere: how do you feel about that? |
| 11:40.04 | ericpersson1 | oskude: I see, interesting. I will try the hd-media approach, it sounds like it has to work.. |
| 11:40.10 | wols | ma3x: then learn english? |
| 11:40.36 | JonkoPA | anyone fammiliar with grsecurity? |
| 11:40.39 | Homere | pete_: pretty bad. I've tested a Debian client on a NetApp filer and Debian as server. As a client, NFSv3 is much faster than NFSv4 and as a server there is a huge memory leak |
| 11:40.56 | ma3x | wols: i looked it up in the dictionary just right now. but from all the movies ive seen and people talking english ive heard, never ever heard this word before |
| 11:41.04 | pete_ | Homere: why don't you use v3 then? |
| 11:41.13 | Homere | the question : does Debian plan to have a decent NFSv4 ? |
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| 11:41.51 | Homere | pete_: cause NFSv3 should be dead now, Solaris doesn't support it for somme operations (install) |
| 11:41.53 | pete_ | my guess is that it has nothing todo with Debian. It's kernel related issue or you have some shitty driver's or settings |
| 11:42.43 | gynterk | sladi, you can ignore those warnings if you confirm that repos do work |
| 11:43.22 | Homere | pete_: I'm always using my own kernel |
| 11:43.22 | sladi | gynterk: OK, Thanks! :) |
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| 11:43.45 | sladi | wols: /etc/apt/sources.list.d is OK I guess. Thank you! :) |
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| 11:49.18 | ericpersson1 | oskude: grub didnt like my settings.. |
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| 11:51.50 | Lagbolt | ooo testing is about to freeze. |
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| 11:52.13 | oskude | ericpersson1, you mean you cant boot your new debian from grub, or grub is not installed in mbr ? |
| 11:52.24 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
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| 11:52.40 | ericpersson1 | I got grub on the mbr, but i cant get it to boot with the hd-media files.. |
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| 11:53.47 | oskude | ericpersson1, hmm, do you get any errors ? (ps. you can edit the grub options directly in the grub boot menu by pressing "e") |
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| 11:54.38 | ericpersson1 | oskude: yeah, i get "Error 2: Bad file or directory type" |
| 11:55.10 | ericpersson1 | oskude: used kernel /vmlinuz also tried kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz |
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| 11:56.29 | oskude | ericpersson1, on which partition did you install ? |
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| 11:56.58 | ericpersson1 | oskude: the hd-media files are ond hda2, so (hd0,1) should be the grub equivalent.. |
| 11:57.24 | oskude | ericpersson1, yup. so you need a line: root (hd0,1) |
| 11:57.36 | oskude | and then the kernel and initrd lines |
| 11:57.40 | ericpersson1 | oskude: yeah, have that one at the top.. |
| 11:58.22 | oskude | ericpersson1, hmm, i dont know grub that good, but maybe you need "root" under every "title" ? |
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| 11:58.59 | ericpersson1 | oskude: usually its possible to prefix it like "kernel (hd0,1)/vmlinuz" but that didnt help either.. |
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| 11:59.06 | oskude | ericpersson1, and sure the file is in / and not /boot ? |
| 11:59.19 | ericpersson1 | yeah.. |
| 11:59.24 | oskude | hmm |
| 11:59.30 | ericpersson1 | have to check again.. |
| 12:00.18 | ericpersson1 | hmm.. do i need to zcat the boot.img.z to the device before putting the other files there? |
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| 12:01.25 | oskude | ericpersson1, i never used that method, so dunno. shouldnt the debian install manual mention that |
| 12:01.46 | ericpersson1 | oskude: i guess it should, but it feels like the details are kind of left out.. |
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| 12:05.10 | oskude | ericpersson1, hmm, i read in the manual that you just copy vmlinuz and initrd.gz to the partition and continue with section5.1.2... so whats that boot.img.z file ? |
| 12:05.35 | ericpersson1 | oskude: it was available on the ftplink.. |
| 12:05.43 | ericpersson1 | oskude: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/ |
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| 12:06.13 | ericpersson1 | oskude: i'll guess i have to write a howto if this works.. |
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| 12:07.24 | oskude | ericpersson1, hmm, indeed... funny that the doc doesnt say anything about that file... maybe you dont need that ? |
| 12:08.06 | ericpersson1 | oskude: perhaps, well got a different error now.. "Error 17: Cannot mount selected partition" |
| 12:08.11 | oskude | ericpersson1, or you just ungzip it and copy it to the same place... |
| 12:08.32 | oskude | ericpersson1, what format is your partition ? |
| 12:08.38 | ericpersson1 | ext2.. |
| 12:08.51 | oskude | hmm, that should definetly work... |
| 12:09.21 | ericpersson1 | oskude: might have broken it with the zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/hda2 |
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| 12:09.40 | oskude | ericpersson1, yes... |
| 12:10.08 | ericpersson1 | will check it.. |
| 12:10.16 | oskude | ericpersson1, i assume it wants to load the boot.img(.gz) when grub done... |
| 12:10.31 | ericpersson1 | sounds reasonable |
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| 12:11.15 | ericpersson1 | oskude: it got converted to vfat.. |
| 12:11.17 | amitz | what is the ip address of eeepc.debian.net ? can someone resolv it for me? |
| 12:11.17 | ericpersson1 | hmm.. |
| 12:11.49 | ericpersson1 | amitz: 81.169.172.197 |
| 12:12.15 | oskude | ericpersson1, yup... redo to ext2 and copy all files over again... btw. heres some small descriptions about the grub errors http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Stage2-errors.html) |
| 12:12.19 | amitz | eric: thanks |
| 12:12.35 | ericpersson1 | oskude: 404 on that page.. |
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| 12:13.13 | oskude | ericpersson1, hmm, works here... are you perhaps in china ? ;) |
| 12:13.23 | gynterk | what package do I need to use $>convert ? |
| 12:13.35 | gynterk | for png to xpm |
| 12:13.43 | oskude | gynterk, could be convert from imagemagick |
| 12:13.47 | ericpersson1 | oskude: hehe... no.. ;) |
| 12:14.10 | ericpersson1 | oskude: oh, just got an extra ) |
| 12:14.23 | oskude | ericpersson1, roger |
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| 12:15.10 | ericpersson1 | oskude: do the files have to be inside a /boot dir? |
| 12:15.22 | oskude | ericpersson1, dont think so |
| 12:15.34 | zipper | I've just added another harddrive to my machine (mind you, old hdd) and dmesg is giving me this message: http://pastebin.com/m78ca9776 - Should i consider the hdd broken for good? Doing 'cfdisk /dev/hdc' also gives me errors, CANNOT READ DISC DRIVE |
| 12:15.50 | oskude | ericpersson1, and better not, if you install on the same partition, the installer installs to /boot automaticly |
| 12:16.07 | ericpersson1 | oskude: will install on another partition.. :) |
| 12:16.17 | gynterk | oskude, thanks, I'll just use gimp :D |
| 12:16.26 | oskude | ericpersson1, well, then. for the sake of LSB :) |
| 12:16.48 | oskude | gynterk, ? imagemagick didnt have the convert you wanted ? |
| 12:16.56 | ericpersson1 | BAH |
| 12:17.04 | ericpersson1 | oskude: now it booted.. |
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| 12:17.11 | oskude | ericpersson1, cool! |
| 12:17.18 | gynterk | odder, yes it had |
| 12:17.19 | gynterk | thanks |
| 12:17.21 | ericpersson1 | oskude: guess you cant have them in the root? |
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| 12:17.52 | oskude | ericpersson1, interesting... is the boot.img.gz file there too ? |
| 12:17.59 | ericpersson1 | oskude: yes.. |
| 12:18.12 | oskude | ericpersson1, did you gunzip it ? |
| 12:18.21 | ericpersson1 | i'll run through the install and move them back and see if it stops working again.. |
| 12:18.29 | ericpersson1 | oskude: no, just put it all in /boot |
| 12:18.37 | oskude | ericpersson1, roger |
| 12:19.04 | ericpersson1 | oskude: i'll bet it cant find the iso now.. ;) |
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| 12:19.32 | oskude | ericpersson1, yeah, its propably "hardcoded" somewhere |
| 12:20.24 | ericpersson1 | oskude: sweet, it even found my pcmcia network card.. now its all downhill.. |
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| 12:20.37 | kmeyer | I try to install openssh-server and apt-get tells me "couldn't find package openssh-server" |
| 12:20.39 | kmeyer | I know it exists. |
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| 12:20.57 | kmeyer | I think I maybe need to add something to my /etc/apt/sources.list, but I'm not sure what |
| 12:20.59 | kmeyer | any help here? |
| 12:21.13 | gynterk | should splashimage=(hd0,0)/GRUB/myfile.xpm.gz added to menu.lst? |
| 12:21.14 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, can you pastebin your sources.list? |
| 12:21.15 | abrotman | security.debian.org sources perhaps ? |
| 12:21.18 | ericpersson1 | kmeyer: can you find it with apt-cache search openssh-server ? |
| 12:21.34 | kmeyer | ericpersson1: one moment, let me try that |
| 12:21.44 | kmeyer | Lagbolt: nope |
| 12:22.04 | abrotman | you can't pastebin your sources? |
| 12:22.11 | kmeyer | ericpersson1: nope |
| 12:22.25 | kmeyer | abrotman, Lagbolt: don't have any webbrowser on that machine |
| 12:22.31 | abrotman | you don't need one |
| 12:22.35 | ericpersson1 | kmeyer: then your sources.list is screwed.. whats in there? |
| 12:22.43 | kmeyer | ericpersson1: it's a fresh install... |
| 12:22.51 | kmeyer | lenny, downloaded a few hours ago |
| 12:23.01 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, maybe you need a diff mirror. . . deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main <--- try this |
| 12:23.02 | kmeyer | I just uncommented the commented out lines |
| 12:23.12 | abrotman | kmeyer: deb http://security.debian.org/ lenny/updates main |
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| 12:23.58 | oskude | kmeyer, did you do apt-get(or aptitude) update ? after editing the sources |
| 12:24.08 | Lagbolt | oskude, good call |
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| 12:24.54 | kmeyer | abrotman: have that line |
| 12:24.55 | kmeyer | oskude: yes. |
| 12:25.05 | oskude | hmm |
| 12:25.08 | kmeyer | Lagbolt: wouldn't that be etch, no lenny? |
| 12:25.15 | kmeyer | +t |
| 12:25.24 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, yeah well it is in lenny as well same source |
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| 12:25.45 | Lagbolt | someone tell kmeyer about pastebin command line? what was that? pastebinpipe? |
| 12:25.50 | Lagbolt | !pastebinpipe |
| 12:26.02 | Lagbolt | :( hmm guess its not that |
| 12:26.02 | abrotman | !pastebin pipe |
| 12:26.03 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 12:26.26 | streuner | Lagbolt: /msg dpkg listkeys pastebin |
| 12:26.31 | abrotman | !pastebinpipe |
| 12:26.31 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 12:26.33 | oskude | oh cool, didnt knew something like that existet. thanks |
| 12:26.33 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 12:26.56 | kmeyer | heh, except I can't install pastebinit as that can't be found either :D |
| 12:27.03 | oskude | :) |
| 12:27.07 | abrotman | sounds liek your internet is bonked |
| 12:27.28 | abrotman | put the file on a usb drive? :) |
| 12:27.34 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, wow, what happens with aptitude update? |
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| 12:28.41 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, if you cant pastebin you need to be a lil more creative. no way you can ssh from another machine to that one and pastebin that way? |
| 12:29.13 | kmeyer | Lagbolt: I'm trying to be able to do that! Hence, openssh-server |
| 12:29.26 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, ah yeah that was the beginning |
| 12:29.40 | kmeyer | sorry :D |
| 12:29.47 | oskude | kmeyer, got a floppy drive ? ;P |
| 12:29.55 | ericpersson1 | kmeyer: I have this on my lenny machine, |
| 12:29.55 | ericpersson1 | deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free |
| 12:29.59 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, try a simple sources.list just put one line . . . deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main non-free contrib |
| 12:30.01 | botox | anyone used sccli before to examine raid enclosures? |
| 12:30.20 | kmeyer | ericpersson1: I'll try that |
| 12:30.21 | botox | specifically SANNET II |
| 12:30.25 | kmeyer | Lagbolt: and that |
| 12:30.32 | Lagbolt | then aptitude update |
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| 12:30.56 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, and if your network connection is good you should see openssh-server just like i do :) |
| 12:31.10 | kmeyer | it is good |
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| 12:31.25 | kmeyer | I can ping lan machines, internet machines, and resolve hostnames just fine |
| 12:31.37 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, then give it a shot. that source works for me and i can see the package you want |
| 12:31.40 | kmeyer | alright |
| 12:31.41 | kmeyer | thanks |
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| 12:31.59 | oskude | kmeyer, btw. i would install the meta package "ssh" instead (it installs the server and client in one go) |
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| 12:32.12 | ericpersson1 | kmeyer: have you ran apt-get update ? |
| 12:32.25 | kmeyer | ericpersson1: several times |
| 12:32.41 | kmeyer | oskude: it says that doesn't exist, and has been obsoleted by openssh-client |
| 12:32.46 | ericpersson1 | kmeyer: and it works ok? |
| 12:32.47 | kmeyer | (tried it before) |
| 12:32.50 | oskude | kmeyer, oh... |
| 12:32.50 | kmeyer | ericpersson1: yep |
| 12:32.58 | Lagbolt | kmeyer, try the source. we are talking in circles. then update again see if it changes |
| 12:33.00 | kmeyer | brb adding those lines to sources.list |
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| 12:35.10 | kmeyer | Lagbolt: seems to be working |
| 12:35.19 | kmeyer | update is hitting more lists |
| 12:35.31 | Lagbolt | seems? it either does or doesnt :) apt-cache search openssh-server to know if worked lol |
| 12:36.11 | SeJo | someone can show me a link so i can start entrace upon booting? |
| 12:36.16 | SeJo | a howto or so? |
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| 12:36.40 | kmeyer | Lagbolt: well, it's not finished updating yet :D |
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| 12:37.46 | Ace2016_- | Whats lenny being replaced by? |
| 12:37.53 | abrotman | nothing yet |
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| 12:38.21 | Ace2016_- | when are the names being chosen, can we vote and submit names? |
| 12:38.47 | abrotman | no |
| 12:41.17 | JonkoPA | How can I see with what paramters the kernel booted? |
| 12:41.34 | cahoot | JonkoPA: look at /proc/cmdline |
| 12:41.52 | Ace2016_- | i wanted to vote for debian carl, so we could have carl and lenny |
| 12:42.32 | JonkoPA | cahoot, I updated my menu.lst by modifying kopt to selinux=1 then running update-grub. But I see that update-grub just ignored it and overwritten the line... . |
| 12:43.21 | oskude | btw. has pixar (or who ever has the copyrights of toy story) sue debian cause of their logo ? |
| 12:44.04 | oskude | as debian logo and buzz lightyears kin look very similar ;) |
| 12:44.21 | Lagbolt | oskude, i believe as long as you use names for different market it doesnt matter. like we have a bail bonds place "james bond's". long as the names are not competing in same market they can be used |
| 12:44.44 | oskude | Lagbolt, not names. the logo |
| 12:45.43 | Lagbolt | his logo looks like debians? hmm i dont see it on him. |
| 12:45.46 | kmeyer | Lagbolt: alright, works. |
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| 12:45.53 | Ace2016_- | what about debian sunny? |
| 12:45.56 | kmeyer | thank you all very much. |
| 12:46.18 | oskude | ah, theres a post about it http://blog.thedebianuser.org/?p=195 |
| 12:46.41 | Lagbolt | lol oh his beard is the logo nice |
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| 12:47.36 | oskude | i always thought the logo came from there, no ? |
| 12:47.50 | Lagbolt | oskude, no idea for sure but seems likely |
| 12:49.41 | SPF | lol: http://dougbarton.us/images/supercoder.jpg |
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| 12:50.28 | ribasushi | yo |
| 12:50.34 | Lagbolt | yo yo |
| 12:50.50 | Lagbolt | SPF, nice! |
| 12:50.50 | oskude | SPF, for what do you need that done key ? (the should rename it to "any" ;) |
| 12:51.17 | ribasushi | does anyone here using icedove extensively has problems with icedove locking up for 3 - 4 minutes with maximum cpu usage, and then work normally until again for no apparent reason it will stall |
| 12:51.42 | ribasushi | seems to happen everytime the program is started, and then intermittently afterwards |
| 12:51.54 | Lagbolt | ribasushi, not me. . . i feel like ages ago there was an issue it would crap out but works perfectly for me. what version you using? |
| 12:52.03 | SPF | :) |
| 12:52.04 | ribasushi | latest sid |
| 12:52.14 | ribasushi | has been like this from day 1 for me |
| 12:52.25 | ribasushi | it just gets worse with time, and I really like the mailer >:( |
| 12:52.45 | Lagbolt | ribasushi, 2.0.0.14-1? that is same in testing |
| 12:52.57 | Lagbolt | it is what i am using works fine. do you have any addons? |
| 12:53.23 | ribasushi | openpgp only, but it did this way before I installed it and many many versions ago |
| 12:53.32 | ribasushi | it's 2.0.0.16 now btw |
| 12:53.55 | Lagbolt | really? i just did apt-get update and it shows 14 lol maybe my mirror is older than yours |
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| 12:54.02 | ericpersson1 | ribasushi: i've been using it a lot without those problems.. are you using pop? |
| 12:54.19 | ribasushi | imap only |
| 12:54.24 | ribasushi | multiple servers |
| 12:54.33 | ericpersson1 | ribasushi: same here.. strange.. |
| 12:54.58 | Lagbolt | ribasushi, try moving your config files away and starting fresh. set up one account and see if it has problem |
| 12:55.08 | Lagbolt | might be something screwy |
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| 12:56.32 | smooki | hi |
| 12:56.48 | smooki | we use a gateway here under debian |
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| 12:57.18 | smooki | I'd like to know if the user's web historics are logged, is there a log file somewhere ? |
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| 13:13.46 | JonkoPA | I have but selinux=1 in the kopt= line, rebooted but now ehn I invoke setenforce 1 it says that selinux isn't enabled. |
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| 13:15.02 | cahoot | how does the kopt line look? |
| 13:15.23 | cahoot | you didn't remove the # ? |
| 13:15.28 | JonkoPA | # kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro selinux=1 |
| 13:15.32 | cahoot | ok |
| 13:15.32 | JonkoPA | no i didn't |
| 13:15.38 | JonkoPA | if I do it overwrites it |
| 13:15.53 | JonkoPA | # cat /proc/cmdline |
| 13:15.54 | JonkoPA | root=/dev/hda1 ro selinux=1 |
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| 13:23.22 | gnumm | hi |
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| 13:23.52 | gnumm | ich wollte mal fragen was ich tun muss damit gnome programme in debian+kde ein schöneres aussehen bekommen |
| 13:24.53 | wols | !de |
| 13:24.53 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
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| 13:25.37 | gnumm | oh sry |
| 13:26.08 | gnumm | what can i do that gnome apps get a better look in debian+kde |
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| 13:29.43 | oskude | gnumm, well, maybe by starting what is a "better look" ... as it's relative... |
| 13:30.00 | gnumm | i mean gnome apps are in a uly grey |
| 13:30.06 | gnumm | *ugly |
| 13:30.13 | gnumm | it looks like windows 95 o.O |
| 13:30.31 | oskude | well, mine are in nice gray ;) |
| 13:30.36 | jelly | gnumm: I use gtk-qt-engine, but it's not stable for everyone |
| 13:30.54 | jelly | it makes gtk apps look pretty much like qt ones |
| 13:31.06 | oskude | gnumm, just look in settings and appearance, you can change the colors there |
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| 13:32.13 | jelly | gnumm: also gtk-chtheme to change the gtk theme. There are other tools to change the gtk theme, but only this one did the job correctly (xfce one somehow loses the colors) |
| 13:32.55 | jelly | wonders what gnome apps are indispensable |
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| 13:33.30 | abrotman | jelly: you know .. gedit :) |
| 13:33.43 | gnumm | i installed gtk-qt-engine, they do not really have a kde look now, just the grey is lighter, but the style is more like windows 95 |
| 13:34.32 | jelly | gnumm: did you follow through the other part of my suggestion? |
| 13:34.33 | Eulex | jelly, gtk-qt-engine is highly unstable for most people that try to use it in gnome or xfce. |
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| 13:35.04 | jelly | Eulex: works for me! |
| 13:35.08 | Eulex | that kde for a long time wrote a ~/.gtkrc-2.0 that set it as the theme doesn't make stuff better... |
| 13:35.22 | Eulex | jelly, call yourself lucky |
| 13:35.40 | jelly | Eulex: which kde did that? Mine didn't even know about gtk-qt-engine, nor did it install it |
| 13:35.47 | aronofsky | hi , i was wondering, is there a way to know for a given update how critical it is, the level of importance in term of security ? |
| 13:36.11 | enouf | DEs .. bleh |
| 13:36.20 | Eulex | jelly, no idea, but I know that it changes recently, so that it instead writes and loads ~/.gtkrc-2.0-kde or similar |
| 13:36.22 | jelly | Eulex: also, it's pretty much the only way I found to change the color theme in gtk in a clicky way |
| 13:36.32 | Noborusan | how do i install zip and unzip ? |
| 13:36.56 | jelly | Eulex: (Qt engine, and kcontrol to edit colors :-D) |
| 13:37.14 | jelly | Eulex: ... and I use xfce |
| 13:37.19 | Eulex | aronofsky, if it's a security update it has a DSA and usually a CVE, and the changelog tells you about it |
| 13:37.21 | aronofsky | Noborusan: aptitude install zip |
| 13:37.31 | aronofsky | Noborusan: aptitude install unzip |
| 13:37.32 | Noborusan | aronofsky, thank you. |
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| 13:38.03 | Eulex | jelly, clicky fashion? gui fanatics :P |
| 13:38.10 | aronofsky | Eulex: what is a CVE ? |
| 13:38.15 | Eulex | !cve |
| 13:38.17 | dp | running debian stable, whenever I start ntop, it will run for a few minutes, and then segfault. any suggestions? |
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| 13:38.21 | Eulex | hrrm |
| 13:38.39 | jelly | Eulex: changing colors in a widget SHOULDN'T require a 6 week course |
| 13:38.39 | enouf | time to write a factoid Eulex :-p |
| 13:38.48 | enouf | !test |
| 13:38.49 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 13:38.56 | cr3rzemjest | !test |
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| 13:40.07 | Eulex | dpkg, cve is Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, a dictionary of publicly known information security vulnerabilities and exposures. Most DSAs (<dsa>) has a CVE identifier. |
| 13:40.07 | dpkg | okay, Eulex |
| 13:40.26 | aronofsky | Eulex: anything that could be used in a script, some kind of tag somewahre that could describe that level of sensitivity ? |
| 13:40.28 | jelly | changing look and feel of a gui should be done with gui tools, IMHO that's not an unreasonable requirement no my part |
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| 13:40.49 | enouf | !thank Eulex |
| 13:40.50 | dpkg | gern geschehen, enouf |
| 13:41.08 | wybczu | hi |
| 13:41.18 | wybczu | i need some help with amanda... |
| 13:41.56 | enouf | aronofsky: maybe debtags can help you sort things a bit |
| 13:42.28 | enouf | (though it's certainly not specific to security. nor updates) |
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| 13:44.11 | Eulex | aronofsky, the changelog of packages usually just mentions the DSA or CVE id |
| 13:44.39 | Eulex | aronofsky, but the security announcements contain a little info in a specific format: http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/threads.html |
| 13:44.40 | dionoea | Hello. I have a problem during boot on a linux sid i386 laptop. It launches all the rcS.d scripts (I added echo stuff in the scripts to make sure) and then starts acpid, ntpd and bluetooth and just hangs there for ever. I tried adding echo $0 stuff in the rc2.d scripts but those don't get printed. |
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| 13:44.56 | gnumm | is debian testing a good choice when i want a stable system but new software? |
| 13:44.56 | dionoea | Any idea what that could be due to? (of course I can still kind of boot using init=/dev/sh) |
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| 13:45.09 | AlexTO | Hi all, |
| 13:45.30 | AlexTO | I need some help to choose the right debian to my server |
| 13:45.47 | AlexTO | it is a Dell Poweredage SC 1425 |
| 13:46.01 | dionoea | gnumm: debian sid is great for a desktop computer. (unstable) |
| 13:46.04 | xsdg | AlexTO: "right" in what sense? |
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| 13:46.21 | Eulex | dionoea, please do not recommend sid to opeople. |
| 13:46.25 | xsdg | dionoea: that's really not a good suggestion |
| 13:46.25 | Eulex | *people |
| 13:46.26 | AlexTO | that support the harware well |
| 13:46.31 | aronofsky | Eulex: which particular field(s) are you referring to ? |
| 13:46.39 | AlexTO | and work without problems |
| 13:46.50 | Eulex | aronofsky, take a look at http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00201.html , for example |
| 13:47.17 | dionoea | Ah ok, nevermind :) I've never had major issues with sid for the last 5 years (except this boot problem I came here to ask about ...) |
| 13:47.20 | Eulex | aronofsky, it lists the problem type (local/remote), the vulnerability etc |
| 13:47.29 | xsdg | dionoea: the problem is that people sometimes get boned by sid, and if dealing with that is something they don't want to do, sid isn't for them |
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| 13:48.39 | aronofsky | Eulex: knowing an available update from Packages.gz file, is it possible to link it to its associated DSA ? |
| 13:48.43 | rwaite | if i change my sources.list to have 'testing' instead of 'lenny' then when lenny becomes stable, i'll still continue to get updates which f up my system? |
| 13:49.14 | Eulex | aronofsky, you can check the changelog, and it will list the DSA or CVE number. usually CVE number. |
| 13:49.19 | dionoea | rc2.d is executed after rcS.d right? (during a normal init sequence?) |
| 13:49.25 | xsdg | rwaite: well, when lenny becomes stable, you will get testing, if that's what you mean |
| 13:49.36 | xsdg | s#get#retain# |
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| 13:50.42 | dp | running debian stable, whenever I start ntop, it will run for a few minutes, and then segfault. any suggestions? |
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| 13:51.46 | rwaite | xsdg: cool thanks |
| 13:51.48 | xsdg | dp: upgrade to the latest version; if it's still there, check to see if there's a bug (http://bugs.debian.org/ntop). If there isn't, file one |
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| 13:52.57 | dp | xsdg: what do you mean, upgrade to the latest version? |
| 13:53.19 | xsdg | dp: apt-get install ntop |
| 13:53.34 | aronofsky | Eulex: and where can I get that changelog, all I got for now is the name and the new version of the package |
| 13:53.40 | xsdg | dp: if you're already using the latest version, then skip to the next step :o) |
| 13:53.43 | dp | I just installed it yesterday, from stable, so I doubt there's anything new ;) |
| 13:54.08 | xsdg | !info ntop stable |
| 13:54.34 | dpkg | ntop: (display network usage in top-like format), section net, is optional. Version: 3:3.2-8 (etch), Packaged size: 2663 kB, Installed size: 10796 kB |
| 13:54.41 | xsdg | info ntop testing |
| 13:54.53 | Eulex | aronofsky, the changelog is inside the package. |
| 13:55.00 | xsdg | !info ntop testing |
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| 13:55.32 | dpkg | ntop: (display network usage in web browser), section net, is optional. Version: 3:3.3-11 (lenny), Packaged size: 3977 kB, Installed size: 13940 kB |
| 13:55.49 | Katty | morning |
| 13:55.52 | xsdg | dp: so, maybe check if there's a backport of the version in testing? |
| 13:56.03 | dp | it seems like it's running fairly well right now as a non-daemon |
| 13:56.05 | Eulex | not at backports.org at least |
| 13:56.15 | dp | but this is the longest it's run (3 minutes) |
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| 13:59.38 | arvernus | Hello! Does anyone know of a way to create a virtual directory that holds the content of several other "normal" directories? |
| 13:59.52 | enouf | arvernus: tmpfs |
| 14:00.09 | arvernus | enouf: i'll look that up, thank you very much! |
| 14:00.14 | SyL | I'm trying to get my lo:0 get enabled at boot. |
| 14:00.21 | enouf | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.25/Documentation/filesystems/tmpfs.txt arvernus |
| 14:00.22 | SyL | arvernus: check unionfs |
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| 14:01.03 | arvernus | SyL: thank you, too! |
| 14:01.06 | SyL | I have auto lo:0 and all that stuff, but still nothing, any ideas? |
| 14:01.33 | enouf | arvernus: if you do look into unionfs as well, see the 'aufs' implementation |
| 14:02.03 | arvernus | enouf: i will |
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| 14:04.22 | SyL | so does anybody know what I have to add where to have lo:0 load at boot? |
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| 14:05.28 | xsdg | SyL: it's a possibility that interfaces(5) doesn't support aliased devices. I'm not saying it does or doesn't, but it's definitely possible |
| 14:06.17 | SyL | xsdg: well I can use ifup lo:0 and it loads. |
| 14:06.57 | xsdg | SyL: oh, then "device lo:0 auto"? |
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| 14:07.03 | enouf | see the ifupdown scripts? |
| 14:07.13 | xsdg | s#device ## |
| 14:07.25 | xsdg | SyL: err... anyway, "auto lo:0" is correct |
| 14:08.29 | SyL | enouf: let me check |
| 14:08.34 | chops | SyL: You can definitely define aliased interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 14:11.12 | SyL | chops; right, I have it in there now. but if I look at /etc/init.d/network it looks like it's ignoring anything loopback based |
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| 14:11.52 | travel_laptop | tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors |
| 14:11.58 | travel_laptop | does that mean it failed? |
| 14:12.13 | travel_laptop | tar cvf foo.tar BAR |
| 14:12.16 | SyL | enouf: are you talking about the scripts in /etc/network/* |
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| 14:12.37 | SyL | travel_laptop: try it one argument at a time |
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| 14:13.00 | enouf | SyL: no, i meant the /etc/init.d/ scripts, but whatever - the README says net is up by ~S45 anyway |
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| 14:13.50 | enouf | ~$ find /etc/rc?.d/ -name "*ifupdown*" |
| 14:14.00 | travel_laptop | SyL: no errors came up... and Im just creating a tarball |
| 14:14.11 | travel_laptop | only one necessary is tar cz, right?> |
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| 14:15.35 | travel_laptop | hmm think it was a permissons error... got rid of it when i sudo'd it |
| 14:15.41 | travel_laptop | ohwell.. thanks anyway |
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| 14:16.24 | Vlack | how you know what available ports in a shell? |
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| 14:16.41 | mordy | how do i find the location of my touchpad? |
| 14:18.04 | JonkoPA | I enabled selinux by passing selinux=1 as kopt (boot param), now I'm seeing a lot of error message appear in /var/log/syslog, such as: |
| 14:18.05 | JonkoPA | Jul 25 16:17:20 debian kernel: audit(1216995440.888:677): avc: denied { read write } for pid=2155 comm="bash" name="0" dev=devpts ino=2 scontext=root:sysadm_r:sysadm_t:s0 tcontext=root:object_r:devpts_t:s0 tclass=chr_file |
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| 14:21.21 | xsdg | JonkoPA: I would guess your setup is incomplete, and there's stuff you need to change so that your permissions are correct |
| 14:21.49 | JonkoPA | i followed the guide from wiki.debian |
| 14:22.20 | xsdg | maybe google for the error message? |
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| 14:22.34 | SyL | ok, so what goes into /etc/network/if-pre-up.d |
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| 14:23.07 | xsdg | SyL: stuff that happens at pre-up time. read `man 5 interfaces` |
| 14:23.45 | SyL | xsdg: ok, I'll check up on it again |
| 14:23.58 | mordy | i did find / -iname "*alps*" and find / -iname "*synaptics*" and ... "*touchpad*" but found nothing in /dev/* - any suggestions? i'm using lenny |
| 14:24.16 | xsdg | mordy: apt-cache search synaptics |
| 14:24.59 | Lagbolt | mordy, find the location? what are you trying to find? the device? modules? |
| 14:25.32 | JonkoPA | ok anyone here who knows selinux? |
| 14:26.54 | Lagbolt | Jonbo_, try #selinux |
| 14:27.00 | abrotman | or ask a better question |
| 14:27.04 | Lagbolt | sorry Jonbo_ i mean JonkoPA |
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| 14:27.44 | JonkoPA | Lagbolt, hi |
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| 14:27.54 | Lagbolt | hi |
| 14:28.05 | JonkoPA | Lagbolt, I have setup selinux, according to the wiki.debian guide, using strict policy. However I get messages at bootup, like: |
| 14:28.21 | JonkoPA | Jul 25 16:17:20 debian kernel: audit(1216995440.888:677): avc: denied { read write } for pid=2155 comm="bash" |
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| 14:28.36 | Lagbolt | JonkoPA, i have no idea. i never used it, that is why i suggested asking in #selinux |
| 14:28.55 | Flimzy | Should I be laughing at the fact that www.keepalived.org appears to be down? |
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| 14:29.33 | xsdg | 10:24:11 < xsdg> mordy: apt-cache search synaptics |
| 14:29.48 | xsdg | Flimzy: haha |
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| 14:31.36 | shah | hi all, i could'nt access internet in debian minimal install, im in ubuntu now the difference b/w o/p's of ifconfig in deb n ubuntu is deb lacked eth1 section, tried modprobe -a sc92031 but its giving o/p module not found, i hav a driver cd(of silan ethernet card), if i try to compile it, its giving error, how to configure it |
| 14:31.56 | Gurax | I have a message saying nautilus can't open the .rar files. Is there a way to open .rar files besides the unrar-free command line utility? |
| 14:32.13 | ericpersson1 | Umlaut characters becomes ? when mounting a drive with sshfs, any hints? |
| 14:32.54 | abrotman | match encodings? |
| 14:33.02 | abrotman | !unrar |
| 14:33.02 | dpkg | well, unrar is a <non-free> package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about <unrar-free> |
| 14:33.16 | abrotman | !tell Gurax about unrar-free |
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| 14:33.40 | xsdg | abrotman: sort of didn't read the entire question, huh? :o) |
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| 14:33.55 | shah | hi all, i could'nt access internet in debian minimal install, im in ubuntu now the difference b/w o/p's of ifconfig in deb n ubuntu is deb lacked eth1 section, tried modprobe -a sc92031 but its giving o/p module not found, i hav a driver cd(of silan ethernet card), if i try to compile it, its giving error, how to configure it |
| 14:33.56 | abrotman | xsdg: erm .. then send unrar-nonfree! |
| 14:34.01 | shah | any way to get it |
| 14:34.33 | xsdg | ::shrug:: |
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| 14:34.44 | Gurax | abrotman: is there any way to do that in a gui sort of way ? |
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| 14:40.57 | abrotman | Gurax: FIIK .. i've never opened a .rar in my life |
| 14:41.37 | evilgnome | can anyone tell me if there's a way to get aptitude to color its output for increased readability? |
| 14:41.47 | Gurax | abrotman: it's that I have files that exchange with other people and they use the rar format |
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| 14:42.06 | abrotman | okay .. and? |
| 14:42.17 | abrotman | there is an unrar in non-free |
| 14:42.46 | tview | which of the myriad of boot splash utilites would you recommend? |
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| 14:44.32 | Eulex | Gurax, I assume that nautilus would use the unrar utility if you installed it. |
| 14:44.44 | peppe | tview: the one that ubuntu / suse / fedora uses by default, since they should be the most used / tested / developed |
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| 14:45.01 | Gurax | abrotman: well... the machine the files are being put into is a debian etch with gnome. I've setup vnc for some users who login graphically and they are windoze crowd so I was thinking to get headaches away from me when they complain of "how complicated this is" |
| 14:45.22 | HardDisk_WP | i have here pppoe connection established with pon |
| 14:45.30 | HardDisk_WP | how do i get quality information? |
| 14:45.48 | HardDisk_WP | (how good quality of the line is, how many MBit/s I have etc) |
| 14:45.53 | Gurax | Eulex: I'll see what happens to install the unrar package then |
| 14:46.06 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: dslreports.com? |
| 14:46.52 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, i mean live stats about the link quality |
| 14:47.21 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: where is this information coming from? |
| 14:47.30 | HardDisk_WP | from the ADSL modem? |
| 14:47.41 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: you might be able to talk to your modem with SNMP or something |
| 14:47.52 | HardDisk_WP | no idea about that |
| 14:47.59 | abrotman | Gurax: did you install the non-free unrar yet? |
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| 14:49.19 | xsdg | HardDisk_WP: google is your friend. I'll note that there are factors that affect your link quality that aren't knowable by your modem, though |
| 14:49.24 | Gurax | abrotman: yes. that I did have but file roller didn't use it for some reason. Now I just installed the "rar" and "unrar" packages and it opens them. As we are here, where can I check what does file-roller use for these operations so I can fine tune it ? |
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| 14:49.28 | klync | my svn client can't connect to the server over https now... i've done security updates, but still running etch as always... svn --version says it supports https ... any thoughts on this? |
| 14:49.53 | xsdg | klync: what does "can't connect" mean? |
| 14:49.56 | klync | oh, it actually says: "SSL error: unknown protocol" |
| 14:50.14 | abrotman | Gurax: i'd guess yu'd have to restart gnome for it to find it |
| 14:50.25 | xsdg | klync: is there some way to get a more verbose error message? |
| 14:50.28 | reZo | hello, i'm trying to setup a ssh chroot on my lenny machine, however when i go to login with the "chrooted" account, i can still go to the system root, i'm using the tutorials from howtoforge, does anyone have a better tutorial i can view? |
| 14:50.38 | klync | xsdg: good idea... i'll check |
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| 14:51.07 | Gurax | abrotman: It worked just fine imediately now that I installed "unrar". I had "unrar-free" before. |
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| 14:51.24 | abrotman | Gurax: ah ok .. have a nice day! |
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| 14:52.01 | reZo | http://www.howtoforge.com/chroot_ssh_sftp_debian_etch |
| 14:52.06 | reZo | i was using that tutorial |
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| 14:53.22 | HardDisk_WP | xsdg, pppstatus does the job |
| 14:53.33 | xsdg | ok |
| 14:54.18 | helo | what is the preferred way to get debian to automatically mount usb drives? |
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| 14:54.41 | abrotman | !automount |
| 14:54.41 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
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| 14:54.54 | legaliza-te | *** WWW.LEGALIZA-TE.COM - ONLY FREE SOFTWARE *** |
| 14:54.59 | helo | ivman sounds like what i've used in the past, it was nice |
| 14:55.09 | legaliza-te | **** WWW.LEGALIZA-TE.COM - ONLY FREE SOFTWARE **** |
| 14:55.14 | xsdg | !ops legaliza-te |
| 14:55.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: xsdg complains about: legaliza-te |
| 14:55.27 | helo | heh |
| 14:55.34 | aleksanteri | pow |
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| 14:57.28 | zack23 | I'm trying to run a Dell Server Update on etch and I get the following error: "libstdc++.so.5 is required to run the Inventory Collector.". However, this file exists in /lib (as I apt-get install libstdc++5 and libstdc++5-3.3-dev). Any ideas as to why this error message still comes up? |
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| 15:00.39 | hendrik123 | hello |
| 15:01.26 | hendrik123 | i ran fsck while the server was running, how bad is that? |
| 15:02.11 | hendrik123 | at startup i get "EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted" :( |
| 15:02.11 | xsdg | hendrik123: if the partition wasn't mounted, it's not bad |
| 15:02.30 | hendrik123 | the filesystem was mounted |
| 15:02.31 | xsdg | hendrik123: this is _after_ doing the fsck? |
| 15:02.42 | hendrik123 | yes fsck then reboot |
| 15:03.24 | xsdg | hendrik123: first off, "don't do that". now, fsck should be able to fix it, though you may encounter some issues |
| 15:03.24 | hendrik123 | is there a way to recover the data? |
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| 15:04.25 | xsdg | hendrik123: try mounting read-only. but you probably want to fsck |
| 15:04.53 | Eulex | hendrik123, if the data is valuable, I recommend taking a backup of it before trying to fix it. |
| 15:04.59 | xsdg | nods at Eulex |
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| 15:06.58 | hendrik123 | EXT3-fs error (device sda1): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for |
| 15:07.00 | hendrik123 | >>>> group 0 not in group (block 2553887680)! |
| 15:07.02 | hendrik123 | >>>> EXT3-fs: group descriptors corrupted! |
| 15:07.03 | hendrik123 | >>>> mount: Mounting /dev/sda1 on /root failed: Invalid argument |
| 15:07.05 | hendrik123 | >>>> mount: Mounting /sys on /root/sys failed: No such file or directory |
| 15:07.06 | hendrik123 | >>>> mount: Mounting /proc on /root/proc failed: No such file or directory |
| 15:07.12 | hendrik123 | i ran fsck while the server was up |
| 15:07.28 | hendrik123 | this is what i get now |
| 15:07.36 | hendrik123 | when i try to boot |
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| 15:08.28 | AwesomeGuy | what was that wifi command? |
| 15:08.33 | AwesomeGuy | something with a w |
| 15:08.34 | Eulex | iwconfig? |
| 15:08.40 | AwesomeGuy | yeah thanks |
| 15:09.06 | iouns | boot on a rescue disk hendrik123 |
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| 15:09.27 | hendrik123 | en then run fsck? |
| 15:09.29 | AwesomeGuy | 143 DB noise level O.o |
| 15:10.06 | iouns | yes hendrik123 |
| 15:10.26 | iouns | or throw your hard drive on a wall but I suggest you to fsck it first |
| 15:10.27 | Eulex | AwesomeGuy, do not trust those figures. |
| 15:10.45 | AwesomeGuy | 142 DB, that could cause hearing damage.. |
| 15:11.43 | twobitwork | hey... a friend of mine is trying out debian and he used the amd64 lenny netinst cd and says it installed linux-image-2.6.24, but that package doesn't seem to exist anywhere... |
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| 15:12.05 | Eulex | right, 2.6.24 is no more |
| 15:12.06 | abrotman | twobitwork: lenny has a .25 now .. dpkg -l linux-image* |
| 15:12.08 | helo | that package was probably the one on the cd |
| 15:12.34 | peterS | and 2.6.26 is still planned for lenny, just hasn't happened yet |
| 15:13.13 | helo | !cluestick slashdot.org |
| 15:13.21 | helo | bah |
| 15:13.32 | HardDisk_WP | how do I resize the console? |
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| 15:13.53 | HardDisk_WP | i dont want the vmware app running only in 640x480, that's too few chars |
| 15:14.03 | HardDisk_WP | can I resize it to use 1024x768? |
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| 15:14.12 | HardDisk_WP | or use a smaller font size |
| 15:14.14 | Eulex | can I re-encrypt a private ssh key to have a different passphrase? |
| 15:14.22 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, VGA=ASK |
| 15:14.29 | hendrik123 | iouns: how much damage do you think the filesystems have |
| 15:14.34 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, ? |
| 15:15.02 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, as kernel boot parameter: that will enable you to choose which video mode it will use for the console |
| 15:15.08 | hendrik123 | *has |
| 15:15.15 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, can I change it live? |
| 15:15.19 | Eulex | nope |
| 15:15.23 | HardDisk_WP | :/ |
| 15:15.25 | HardDisk_WP | thanks |
| 15:15.40 | HardDisk_WP | Eulex, but font size choosing? |
| 15:15.46 | HardDisk_WP | is that possible live? |
| 15:15.51 | Eulex | you can set VGA=FOO where FOO is the number of the VESA mode to use to not be asked when booting |
| 15:16.04 | Eulex | HardDisk_WP, I believe you can change font, but I've never done it. |
| 15:16.08 | HardDisk_WP | kk |
| 15:17.00 | SyL | enouf: ok, I think I figured out the problem. it looks like the sysctl stuff isn't loading before the network interfaces are loading for bootup. any ideas how to fix this? |
| 15:17.31 | iouns | badly hendrik123 |
| 15:18.33 | klync | xsdg: fwiw, i figured out the cause of my svn problem, although i couldn't find a way to increase verbosity. appears to be related to the voodoo surrounding the way my lan is mapped to the public internet, multiple vhosts, and my ssl cert, which i updated after the whole keyspace bug |
| 15:18.49 | xsdg | aah, ::nod:: |
| 15:19.41 | enouf | SyL: not offhand |
| 15:20.55 | enouf | SyL: but if sysctl is a prerequisite, ensure that /sys is mounted if you decide to play with moving the SNN ordering around or anything |
| 15:21.05 | twobitwork | abrotman: but, how could he have installed 2.6.24 when it isn't in the repos? he's trying to install kernel headers, but can only get ones for 2.6.25... |
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| 15:21.52 | twobitwork | I only see 2.6.22 and 2.6.25 in the repos for lenny |
| 15:21.57 | abrotman | twobitwork: that's just what the install CD has |
| 15:22.02 | abrotman | twobitwork: really don't see the problem |
| 15:22.23 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: there's a tool called fbset that once up, should/might be able to allow you to alter font sizes in console on the fly |
| 15:22.40 | twobitwork | abrotman: the problem is that the headers aren't available for it... just seems strange that debian would remove packages which support a previously released package |
| 15:22.49 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: the vga=NNN is still a good approach though IMHO |
| 15:22.49 | helo | after you aptitude update after the installation, he should be able to install a newer kernel with its headers form the repo |
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| 15:23.15 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, thanks |
| 15:23.25 | twobitwork | helo: well sure... just seems like he should be able to get the headers for the old one. I can still get 2.6.22 headers... |
| 15:23.35 | twobitwork | I figured this would be a bug |
| 15:23.46 | SyL | enouf: ok, I'll check on that too. I figured having sysctl loaded before the lo:0 interface gets started would do it, but I guess I'm wrong |
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| 15:23.53 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Framebuffer-HOWTO-16.html - no idea about any vmwarez peculiarities |
| 15:24.13 | HardDisk_WP | there is no /dev/fb0 |
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| 15:24.28 | HardDisk_WP | :( |
| 15:24.56 | enouf | SyL: maybe a bit much, but have you looked through /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/* (note some of these are old and meant for transitioning from earlier releases) |
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| 15:28.36 | helo | remembering this passphrase is a biatch |
| 15:28.55 | helo | i'm going to just sit here authenticating for 30 minutes to make sure i won't forget it heh |
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| 15:35.13 | Eulex | twobitwork, it's intentional. and remember that the lenny installer isn't final. |
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| 15:35.30 | sladi | help /network add |
| 15:35.36 | abrotman | twobitwork: no shit .. it's not in debian anymore .. get over it .. install the correct kernel |
| 15:35.53 | Eulex | twobitwork, if all historical kernel header packages where kept in debian, the archive would be huge. |
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| 15:37.34 | sirkit | at what point in the installation of etch does the resolution option appear |
| 15:37.53 | sirkit | I've had it show up various times, but on some installations it seems like it is skipping over that part |
| 15:38.50 | dutchfish | sirkit, normal its autmagically |
| 15:39.01 | sirkit | huh? |
| 15:39.34 | sirkit | the times that it doesn't appear, I end up not being able to set higher resolutions than 640x480 or something obscene, and xorg won't configure to set a higher resolution |
| 15:39.35 | dutchfish | sirkit, but you can dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg and set basic wanted resolutions |
| 15:39.52 | sirkit | I've tried that with no sucess |
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| 15:40.08 | sirkit | I don't see why it would skip over the resolution options during the installation at some points but not others ;| |
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| 15:41.10 | dutchfish | sirkit, and you did run in expert mode (setup)? |
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| 15:41.26 | sirkit | I was never prompted to use any type of mode |
| 15:41.48 | dutchfish | sirkit, if you startup installer F1 should explain modes |
| 15:41.54 | AbortRetryFail | does anybody know if the squidguard package is still actively maintained? |
| 15:43.23 | dutchfish | AbortRetryFail, http://packages.qa.debian.org/s/squidguard.html |
| 15:45.17 | AbortRetryFail | ah cool, i didn't know there was a page for that. thanks. |
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| 15:46.08 | AbortRetryFail | debian n00b here. I've been using Slackware since forever, but i don't want to set up these servers so they're hard for someone else to maintain. |
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| 15:47.45 | sirkit | so how do I boot with expert mode |
| 15:48.00 | sirkit | I didn't see the parameters in F1 help mode, I may be blind though |
| 15:48.25 | sirkit | I don't get why booting the same way twice and one thing happens one boot and not the next, it has to be a bug of some sort |
| 15:48.38 | dutchfish | sirkit, boot till prompt and type expert [enter] |
| 15:48.44 | sirkit | alright |
| 15:48.45 | sirkit | thank you |
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| 15:49.01 | dutchfish | sirkit, thats of coarse from the installer (cd or netinstall) |
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| 15:51.48 | dutchfish | sirkit, expertgui if you like it graphically |
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| 15:54.42 | dutchfish | sirkit, there is also F2 F3 F4 one of those eplains params |
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| 15:58.56 | twobitwork | abrotman: feeling a little defensive today? I was just surprised, not trying to bash anything... |
| 15:58.57 | RunningRabbit | hello |
| 15:59.05 | RunningRabbit | im trying to install debian on my macbook |
| 15:59.21 | abrotman | twobitwork: defensive? nope .. but it's not there .. install the correct kernel and soldier on! |
| 15:59.27 | RunningRabbit | says no ethernet card was detected, and i can't figure out which driver is needed by it |
| 15:59.39 | mordy | is there a gui equivalent of "system information" in lenny on etch? |
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| 15:59.56 | sladi | mordy: Gnome has something IIRC |
| 16:00.16 | dutchfish | !beer abrotman |
| 16:00.17 | dpkg | pulls out an exquisite Piraat for abrotman |
| 16:00.19 | dutchfish | chears |
| 16:00.22 | abrotman | latyer! |
| 16:00.51 | abrotman | well .. maybe |
| 16:00.53 | dutchfish | it was hot as hell over here today |
| 16:01.16 | abrotman | it's nice! |
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| 16:01.22 | dutchfish | :0 |
| 16:01.23 | abrotman | any day over 75F is nice :) |
| 16:01.31 | dutchfish | ok, accepted |
| 16:01.32 | abrotman | uhm .. 25C i guess for you |
| 16:01.33 | _eggy_ | Hello, which package contains the man page for gcc ? |
| 16:01.39 | abrotman | gcc-doc ? |
| 16:01.42 | dutchfish | abrotman, almost 30 degrees |
| 16:01.56 | dutchfish | abrotman, huge change in just 1 day |
| 16:02.18 | _eggy_ | abrotman: ah, I was searching for build-essential, that's probably it, thanks |
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| 16:03.34 | mordy | sladi - i found something on KDE - KinfoCenter - but it still doesn't give me what i need. i'm trying to find where exactly my touchpad is :( |
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| 16:03.58 | mordy | (i used it to compare on another computer which has an identical touchpad) |
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| 16:05.42 | sladi | mordy: I see. Maybe lspci or xev? No idea, sorry. |
| 16:05.46 | dutchfish | mordy, hwinfo? |
| 16:08.09 | dutchfish | mordy, or hardinfo ... |
| 16:08.22 | mordy | hmm... let's see. i'm having trouble finding a /dev/* path to my touchpad. i tried /dev/input/mice and /dev/psaux but X still can't find the synaptics touchpad. tpconfig finds it though |
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| 16:09.23 | mordy | i'm looking at hwinfo now.. hehe, this should go on my speed-dial as well |
| 16:09.53 | eraldo | greetings |
| 16:10.32 | eraldo | is there anything like network-manager but with a command line interface ? |
| 16:11.04 | dutchfish | !interfaces |
| 16:11.05 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
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| 16:11.28 | valdyn | im sure n-m has a command line interface |
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| 16:12.01 | pablo | hi, has someone used apt-build? |
| 16:12.09 | valdyn | !anyone use |
| 16:12.10 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 16:12.25 | dutchfish | 0.o |
| 16:12.40 | valdyn | pablo: ask your real question |
| 16:13.22 | jhutchins_wk | mordy: what kind of connection does it have? |
| 16:14.55 | sirkit | it didn't ask me to set useable resolutions :| |
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| 16:15.16 | dutchfish | sirkit, trying to setup gnome or kde? |
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| 16:16.05 | rwaite | does anyone else get an error when trying to install mono in lenny? |
| 16:16.13 | dutchfish | sirkit, does it recongnize you rmonitor? (look in /var/log/xorg.0.log or the like |
| 16:16.23 | wols_ | !tell rwaite about errors |
| 16:16.31 | wols_ | !topicsmite rwaite |
| 16:16.32 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon rwaite. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 16:17.08 | mordy | can i have hwinfo print to a file? |
| 16:17.08 | mordy | hwinfo > file? |
| 16:17.18 | dutchfish | mordy, sure why not |
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| 16:17.36 | itrebal | does Debian limit the number of Exim daemons running at the same time? |
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| 16:17.39 | rwaite | this is like the 5th time i've come here for help on this error, and i've posted it before, but here it is again |
| 16:17.59 | valdyn | rwaite: its not the same people here all the time |
| 16:18.17 | rwaite | i was just putting it out there in case someone here did know |
| 16:18.22 | mordy | jhutchins, i'm trying to find out. i would guess ps/2 |
| 16:18.53 | rwaite | http://pastebin.com/m48500bb2 |
| 16:18.54 | valdyn | rwaite: and if it was and if people here already knew the error and arent saying anything, then they probably dont know |
| 16:18.55 | dutchfish | !tell rwaite about fish |
| 16:18.56 | eraldo | dpkg: isn't there anything as simple as typing(as root) "somecommand interfacae essid security" example "wificon ath0 myap wpa" |
| 16:18.56 | rwaite | that's the error |
| 16:18.57 | dpkg | eraldo: You are moron #7 |
| 16:19.18 | valdyn | rwaite: show /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:19.32 | sirkit_ | (**) | |-->Monitor "VA721" |
| 16:19.32 | sirkit_ | (**) | |-->Device "nVidia Corporation C51 [GeForce 6150 LE]" |
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| 16:19.34 | sirkit_ | yes. |
| 16:19.37 | valdyn | rwaite: ill look at it after dinner.. |
| 16:19.47 | wols_ | rwaite: apt-cache policy for all involved packages |
| 16:19.49 | eraldo | dpkg: ? |
| 16:19.49 | dpkg | eraldo: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 16:19.55 | Gurax | itrebal: I'd guess you will need to change listening ports, different lockfile location, different spooldir and different config file. Do these and you can run several instances of exim, and probably any other mta agent |
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| 16:20.05 | wols_ | eraldo: dpkg is a bot |
| 16:20.14 | eraldo | wols_: oh |
| 16:20.33 | itrebal | Gurax: thats not exactly what I mean.. I mean, like this: apache spawns several children to process requests, and I think Exim does the same thing |
| 16:20.45 | itrebal | is there a limiter to the number of children it'll spawn? |
| 16:21.05 | mordy | gah, the connection here is horrible. i don't know what's wrong with freenode today |
| 16:21.09 | rwaite | http://paste.debian.net/12923/ |
| 16:21.13 | rwaite | there's my sources.list |
| 16:21.13 | wols_ | itrebal: yes |
| 16:21.20 | rwaite | and yes, i've updated |
| 16:21.27 | Gurax | itrebal: yes it does indeed |
| 16:21.36 | wols_ | rwaite: pastebin what I asked about |
| 16:21.39 | itrebal | do either of you know where (or what) that configuration option is? |
| 16:21.53 | wols_ | itrebal: in your apache config |
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| 16:22.03 | sirkit_ | bash: dpkg-reconfigure: command not found |
| 16:22.04 | sirkit_ | :| |
| 16:22.28 | wols_ | sirkit_: are you root? |
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| 16:22.32 | itrebal | wols_: O.o the apache was an example that was supposed to extend to Exim's situation |
| 16:22.41 | eraldo | okay... is there a cli way to connect to a new, not open ap (knowing the passpharase) other than typing lines of code ? |
| 16:22.46 | itrebal | wols_: ie: what would the configuration to change the max number of children for /exim/ |
| 16:22.57 | rwaite | http://pastebin.com/m31f2382 |
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| 16:23.01 | rwaite | wols_: that? |
| 16:23.25 | wols_ | rwaite: there are 3 packages involved |
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| 16:23.46 | rellis | Is there an apt repo where I can get bind 9.3.5? |
| 16:24.05 | rellis | for etch |
| 16:24.07 | SyL | if I need to run a quick script everytime it boots, where would I put it? |
| 16:24.09 | rwaite | http://pastebin.com/mc5bef8e |
| 16:24.12 | rwaite | better? |
| 16:24.12 | wols_ | !tell rellis about backports |
| 16:24.17 | eraldo | I can't believe that there is no app or script arround that makes connection to new wifi APs easier |
| 16:24.35 | wols_ | !why is mono not in testing |
| 16:24.36 | dpkg | mono is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=mono |
| 16:24.59 | opensrcguru | SyL: please see /etc/rc.local |
| 16:25.00 | adama | so... it used to be that when I right-clicked file(s) in nautilus there was an option to "create archive", now it's gone. Anyone know what package it was? A dist-upgrade recently removed a lot of my packages for some reason |
| 16:25.17 | SyL | opensrcguru: will do, thanks |
| 16:25.19 | stew | rellis: you'd have to backport from sdn (/msg dpkg sdn). why do you need 9.3.5 and not either debian's patched 9.3.4 or the newer 9.5.0 from testing? |
| 16:25.23 | wols_ | rwaite: bad mirror it seems |
| 16:25.28 | wols_ | !info mono lenny |
| 16:25.46 | rwaite | hmm. i'm using the main mirror |
| 16:25.54 | wols_ | rwaite: no |
| 16:26.03 | eraldo | using wpa_cli is nice... but it's as time-consuming |
| 16:26.07 | Gurax | itrebal: I can't seem to find it right now but a question in #exim will point you properly |
| 16:26.11 | RunningRabbit | debian is 3 x DVD disks to install?? |
| 16:26.18 | RunningRabbit | that's pretty huge |
| 16:26.32 | stew | RunningRabbit: you only need the first, or a single small cd |
| 16:26.50 | itrebal | thanks, Gurax |
| 16:26.52 | stew | RunningRabbit: you would only need all three DVDs if you were needing to install lots of packages to a machine with no network |
| 16:26.53 | RunningRabbit | i tried the 140MB release, but it says no ethernet adapter found |
| 16:26.58 | dutchfish | itrebal, MaxClients = Total RAM dedicated to the web server / Max child process size ---- Child process size for serving static file is about 2-3M |
| 16:27.02 | opensrcguru | eraldo: maybe iwconfig or one of those tools..... |
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| 16:27.09 | itrebal | heh |
| 16:27.10 | RunningRabbit | so i figured maybe the bigger release has the drivers i need? |
| 16:27.18 | itrebal | dutchfish: I know, very well, the ins and outs of APache, but I'm talking about Exim :P |
| 16:27.20 | wols_ | rwaite: according to dpkg, mono does not exist in lenny |
| 16:27.26 | rellis | stew: I did an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade bind.. should I be safe? |
| 16:27.33 | rwaite | hmm thats no good |
| 16:27.34 | dutchfish | itrebal, oops, sorry i have misread then |
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| 16:27.35 | rellis | stew: I'm on 9.3.4 latest.. |
| 16:27.36 | eraldo | opensrcguru: iwconfig can't handle wpa for example |
| 16:27.38 | itrebal | :P |
| 16:27.39 | wols_ | rellis: check DSA |
| 16:27.54 | rwaite | what would cause that? is there a way to clean out dpkg's data entirely and start fresh? what docs explain how to do this? |
| 16:28.09 | opensrcguru | eraldo: whats wrong with using /etc/network/interfaces...it has all you need to configure the interface..... |
| 16:28.18 | wols_ | rwaite: if it's not in the repos ther is nothing you can do but backport |
| 16:28.29 | wols_ | sid and lenny have the same version right now so it will work |
| 16:28.32 | rwaite | but that site you posted says it is in testing? |
| 16:28.47 | wols_ | yes but check pod or such |
| 16:28.50 | rellis | wols_: Is that a site or?? |
| 16:28.53 | opensrcguru | !tell eraldo about wpasupplicant |
| 16:28.56 | rellis | wols_: a mailing list? |
| 16:28.56 | stew | rellis: yes |
| 16:28.58 | rwaite | pod? |
| 16:28.59 | wols_ | rellis: yes |
| 16:29.01 | wols_ | pdo |
| 16:29.07 | rwaite | !tell rwaite about pod |
| 16:29.15 | wols_ | pod != pdo |
| 16:29.16 | stew | !tell rwaite about selftell |
| 16:29.24 | rwaite | perl? |
| 16:29.28 | rwaite | head assplodes |
| 16:29.40 | opensrcguru | ha |
| 16:29.41 | wols_ | Paula Debbie Anton! |
| 16:29.53 | stew | rellis: see: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1603 you might consider subscribing to http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce |
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| 16:30.33 | rwaite | basically what i wanna know is is this some kind of f up on my end, bad data, or something, or is this a problem on the repo end |
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| 16:31.48 | zyx386 | i use unrar-free but i cant extract file with .rar Failed look her http://paste.debian.net/12924/ , what is wrong? |
| 16:31.52 | jake[work]1 | good day |
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| 16:31.59 | mifritscher | hi |
| 16:32.12 | mifritscher | what is the relationship between debian end emdebian? |
| 16:32.16 | wols_ | zyx386: unrar-free only supports very old rar formats |
| 16:32.20 | mifritscher | ( http://www.emdebian.org ) |
| 16:32.21 | jake[work]1 | is there a special option to enable all cpus in deb? |
| 16:32.28 | jake[work]1 | i have 4 in my svr |
| 16:32.35 | jake[work]1 | and mpstat only hows 1 |
| 16:32.36 | wols_ | jake[work]1: enable all cpus in what way? |
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| 16:32.41 | zyx386 | wols_, aha thanx, and what is alternative for that? |
| 16:32.50 | wols_ | jake[work]1: install a proper kernel. not the -486 one |
| 16:32.58 | wols_ | zyx386: unrar-nonfree |
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| 16:33.12 | jake[work]1 | Linux phl02 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Sun Feb 10 22:11:31 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:33.14 | dutchfish | mifritscher, http://www.emdebian.org/about/index.html |
| 16:33.16 | zyx386 | 7zip wols_ |
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| 16:33.37 | wols_ | jake[work]1: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:33.38 | Gurax | zyx386: there's a package "unrar" in the non-free section |
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| 16:33.55 | Gurax | zyx386: I installed it a few hours ago as well |
| 16:34.18 | zyx386 | is none-free and have no money :( |
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| 16:34.19 | jake[work]1 | http://pastebin.com/me0fa8a8 |
| 16:34.26 | zyx386 | Gurax, |
| 16:34.27 | wols_ | zyx386: it doesn't cost any |
| 16:34.49 | mifritscher | dutchfish: if I understand them right, the changes done by emdebian are merged into "standard" debian? |
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| 16:35.08 | eraldo | opensrcguru: lets assume I visit a friend and he has an wpa ap ...I would have to enter several lines of code in order to connect to it... opposed to one click and one line |
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| 16:35.11 | wols_ | jake[work]1: cat /proc/cmdline |
| 16:35.12 | rwaite | wtf i am searching for 'mono' in sid and it's not found? this is so stupid |
| 16:35.17 | dutchfish | mifritscher, no, i think more otherwise around |
| 16:35.23 | jake[work]1 | root=/dev/hda1 ro |
| 16:35.25 | pickcoder | jake[work]1: mpstat -P <cpu#> |
| 16:35.34 | jake[work]1 | i tried all |
| 16:35.39 | jake[work]1 | only came up w 0 |
| 16:35.39 | mordy_ | hehe, back here. hope my connection won't slow down again:( |
| 16:35.45 | dutchfish | mifritscher, and its geared towards "small" but with the same consistency |
| 16:35.46 | wols_ | jake[work]1: check your dmesg then perhaps |
| 16:35.59 | jake[work]1 | k - tnx |
| 16:36.16 | eraldo | opensrcguru: something like "command interface essid security [passphrase]" would be really handy |
| 16:36.22 | pickcoder | jake[work]1: any reason why you're not running amd64? |
| 16:36.23 | dutchfish | mifritscher, so basically if you used to debian, its almost seamingly alike |
| 16:36.34 | mifritscher | hmm, ok |
| 16:36.34 | Gurax | zyx386: In sources.list you have non-free at the end of the line. mine looks like this: deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 16:36.38 | jake[work]1 | nope - i could |
| 16:36.39 | opensrcguru | eraldo: sorry dude. i cant fix lazniess. /etc/network/interfaces is very easy to edit and maintain. i guess you could write a script and tie it to an action on a desktop action so you only have to do it once. |
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| 16:36.43 | jake[work]1 | would that do it? |
| 16:36.49 | jake[work]1 | (enable cpus) |
| 16:36.57 | zyx386 | Gurax, i know that thanx |
| 16:36.57 | jake[work]1 | or just give me x64 |
| 16:36.58 | rwaite | wols_: am i correct in thinking you suggesting i use sid's mono since it is the same version? because i'm getting results that indicate it doesnt exist in sid? |
| 16:36.59 | pickcoder | more memory support without the bigmem hack |
| 16:37.05 | jake[work]1 | ok |
| 16:37.06 | mifritscher | dutchfish: they seem to be in early alpha/beta it seems... I use normal debian (lenny) on my j720 |
| 16:37.10 | dutchfish | mifritscher, i used it quiet a few times myself, its good and more then adequate |
| 16:37.35 | pickcoder | I've never loaded 686 on a Xeon board |
| 16:37.35 | jake[work]1 | i have 2GB now - but will consider - tnx for the tip |
| 16:37.42 | dutchfish | mifritscher, you can also easely test it under kvm/qemu or the like |
| 16:37.43 | pickcoder | lemme look on my box |
| 16:37.47 | Gurax | zyx386: then all you do is apt-get install unrar |
| 16:38.03 | mifritscher | can I use that way that apt uses the emdebian packages whereever available and the original debian packages for everything else? |
| 16:38.13 | jelly | eraldo: this has to do with kernel/userspace issues. wpa is partly implemented in userspace, so you use a daemon and configure it instead of having functionality in the kernel driver when it really isn't necessary for that code to be there. |
| 16:38.18 | opensrcguru | eraldo: i think it would behoove you to "man interfaces" and see how to do it properly. |
| 16:38.19 | zyx386 | Gurax, i know but i will use free software |
| 16:38.20 | mifritscher | @ dutchfish |
| 16:38.21 | wols_ | rwaite: mono changed names. http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=mono&searchon=names&suite=testing§ion=all |
| 16:38.22 | pickcoder | I think you may have to go with em64t extensions if you want to see all cores |
| 16:38.29 | jake[work]1 | ah |
| 16:38.30 | wols_ | pickcoder: no |
| 16:38.32 | pickcoder | are they single-core Xeon's in different slots |
| 16:38.39 | rwaite | hmm |
| 16:38.42 | jake[work]1 | 2 quads |
| 16:38.44 | pickcoder | wols_: I remember only seeing one core on mine |
| 16:38.50 | pickcoder | until I install amd64 |
| 16:38.52 | jelly | pickcoder: smp works in i386 as well. |
| 16:38.53 | jake[work]1 | i'm running it in a vm |
| 16:38.58 | dutchfish | mifritscher, in short: yes |
| 16:39.00 | wols_ | jake[work]1: duh! |
| 16:39.03 | jake[work]1 | but the vm enbled for 4 |
| 16:39.10 | pickcoder | oh |
| 16:39.11 | wols_ | jake[work]1: tell the VM to assign more than one core then! |
| 16:39.12 | mifritscher | dutchfish, ok, then I'll try this out |
| 16:39.12 | pickcoder | never mind then |
| 16:39.13 | opensrcguru | eraldo: read "man 7 wireless" as well |
| 16:39.20 | Gurax | zyx386: someone told me here that the unrar-free will work with .rar files no higher than version 3. It can't handle the newer ones |
| 16:39.21 | wols_ | !vmware |
| 16:39.22 | dpkg | VMware isn't part of Debian, therefore it's not supported. Ask me about <vmware support> and <vmware-package>. |
| 16:39.28 | jake[work]1 | it's not vmware |
| 16:39.37 | wols_ | jake[work]1: is it in debian itself? |
| 16:39.46 | eraldo | opensrcguru: I did read all of the interfaces and wpa_supplicant manpages |
| 16:39.48 | zyx386 | Gurax, ok thanx again for this info |
| 16:39.55 | jake[work]1 | i'm running debian - inside a hyper v session |
| 16:39.57 | dutchfish | mifritscher, however there are even smaller things around like dfs |
| 16:40.01 | jake[work]1 | w 4 cores enabled |
| 16:40.05 | wols_ | jake[work]1: ask MS then |
| 16:40.07 | magyar_ | hi, how does one synchronize /etc/passwd user list across multiple debian servers? |
| 16:40.20 | wols_ | jake[work]1: same applies as vmware |
| 16:40.24 | jake[work]1 | ok |
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| 16:40.57 | dutchfish | mifritscher, but if space is not the biggest conecern i would prefer embedded debian |
| 16:41.17 | mifritscher | dutchfish, yes, space is not the problem (cf card) |
| 16:41.22 | mordy_ | how do i find out the version of a driver? |
| 16:41.23 | eraldo | jelly: I was just interested if there is an app or script around making wifi connection easier / more flexible using cli |
| 16:41.27 | dutchfish | mifritscher, good good |
| 16:41.42 | mifritscher | dutchfish, I'll try to upgrade my standard debian to emdebian, thanks for the hints ;) |
| 16:41.53 | dutchfish | mifritscher, yw |
| 16:41.56 | mordy_ | (i tried searching for its source file, but i can't find it) |
| 16:42.13 | jelly | eraldo: people using cli's are usually able to work their way through a config file :-) |
| 16:42.20 | jelly | er, clis |
| 16:42.26 | irule | what software do I need to see sata devices on my debian? |
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| 16:42.51 | stew | irule: a kernel |
| 16:42.58 | jelly | irule: the ought to be visible out of the box |
| 16:43.02 | jelly | they* |
| 16:43.08 | pickcoder | (and a driver that recogizes the chipset) |
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| 16:43.54 | jelly | must confess he's only seen disks and cd/dvd sata devices so far. maybe something else would behave differently |
| 16:44.02 | opensrcguru | eraldo: you may need to re-read them. you can also use this a resource. http://wiki.debian.org/WPA |
| 16:44.10 | Nyle | omg |
| 16:44.21 | Nyle | jelly, for a sec there I thought you said 'dicks' |
| 16:44.29 | Nyle | at a glance |
| 16:44.29 | mordy_ | lol |
| 16:44.43 | jelly | paging Dr. Freud... |
| 16:44.46 | opensrcguru | Nyle: we certainly know what you're thinking of ;) |
| 16:44.46 | Nyle | hehe |
| 16:44.53 | Nyle | I love dicks |
| 16:45.02 | dutchfish | !coffee Nyle |
| 16:45.03 | dpkg | decants a fine broth of fair trade Tanzanian for Nyle, courtesy of dutchfish |
| 16:45.03 | Nyle | opensrcguru, have fun with that ;)_ |
| 16:45.13 | irule | jelly I just connected a SATA cd burder on the cpu while turned on, it did not stop working :D |
| 16:45.14 | Nyle | awww dutchfish++ |
| 16:45.27 | Nyle | I hotplug sata all the time |
| 16:45.29 | irule | is a reboot still necesary on SATA? :S |
| 16:45.32 | Nyle | no |
| 16:45.34 | dutchfish | points to coffee to was Nyles mouth |
| 16:45.37 | Nyle | depending on how your bios is configured |
| 16:45.56 | irule | me? |
| 16:45.59 | Nyle | yes |
| 16:46.04 | irule | cool :) |
| 16:46.14 | irule | so whats the next step? |
| 16:46.25 | irule | just try to mount? |
| 16:46.28 | Nyle | I just chimed in, I've no idea what your problem is or who is helping so |
| 16:46.31 | Nyle | stick with them. |
| 16:46.49 | Nyle | dutchfish, you da man |
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| 16:47.01 | stew | irule: type "fdisk -l" and see if any partitions from the drive are listed |
| 16:47.10 | jelly | irule: did anything appear in dmesg after you hotplugged it? Is the device hotplug capable? And the controller? |
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| 16:47.33 | jelly | stew: patitions on a cdrom? |
| 16:47.37 | stew | oh |
| 16:47.40 | stew | no |
| 16:47.41 | Nyle | its a cdrom |
| 16:47.53 | stew | irule: nevermind me |
| 16:48.00 | irule | good question, I dont know, fdisk -l does not show up anything besides my main hard drive |
| 16:48.07 | Nyle | irule, as it should |
| 16:48.15 | Nyle | he thought you were talking about a sata hdd |
| 16:48.19 | Nyle | as did I |
| 16:48.20 | stew | irule: forget fdisk, i didn't realize we were talking about a cdrom |
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| 16:48.23 | irule | Nyle does this meain I should reboot? |
| 16:48.25 | jelly | irule: ok then, answer the "did anything appear in dmesg after you hotplugged it?" bit then |
| 16:48.45 | Nyle | irule, let jelly help you |
| 16:48.51 | Nyle | I've got things to do with my sid |
| 16:49.04 | Nyle | this apt-listbugs bug is pissing me the fuck off |
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| 16:49.36 | octox2 | is a 64 bit processor and code going to be faster than a 32bit processor and code at executing said program all of the time? Or only in certain circumstances ? |
| 16:49.36 | dutchfish | wonders what poeple do when everything works as it should, they install sid? |
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| 16:49.57 | valdyn | octox2: depends on the program |
| 16:50.02 | Nyle | !dbugs #492320 |
| 16:50.06 | dpkg | #492320:I[apt-listbugs] apt-listbugs: fails to retreive bug reports; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 08:45:01 UTC |
| 16:50.11 | Nyle | dutchfish, we find problem with packages in sid and try to report bugs |
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| 16:50.20 | valdyn | octox2: its not usually faster |
| 16:50.22 | Nyle | I don't use sid only for latest software |
| 16:50.23 | dutchfish | Nyle, oki, cool |
| 16:50.25 | Nyle | :) |
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| 16:50.44 | octox2 | it seems that it can even be slower at times too ? |
| 16:50.45 | Nyle | dutchfish, ever been to a bug squashign party? |
| 16:50.52 | valdyn | octox2: yes |
| 16:50.58 | Nyle | pulling all nighters in debian-bugs |
| 16:51.03 | Nyle | sometimes |
| 16:51.07 | dutchfish | Nyle, would love to but i am still in pampers phase |
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| 16:51.12 | Nyle | heh |
| 16:51.21 | Nyle | I don't consider myself a guru, but I try to help as much as I can |
| 16:51.29 | Nyle | plus you learn a lot along the way |
| 16:51.35 | dutchfish | Nyle, soon .. ill promise |
| 16:51.39 | Nyle | thanks |
| 16:51.42 | Nyle | I appreciate it |
| 16:52.04 | RabidWeezle | hey all, I broke my apt from my wireless switching networks on me in the middle of installing synaptic and upgrading apt, now it just seg fault's is there a way to repair apt? |
| 16:52.31 | Nyle | dupliate bug filed |
| 16:52.35 | Nyle | !dbugs #492012 |
| 16:52.39 | dpkg | #492012:I[apt-listbugs] apt-listbugs: fails to retreive bug reports if there are a lot of bugs; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:27:01 UTC |
| 16:52.44 | irule | jelly please excuse my delay, I had to scp the output, open with gedit and paste on pastebin, it all takes time ;) http://pastebin.ca/1082691 |
| 16:52.53 | stew | RabidWeezle: what happens if you run "dpkg --configure -a" or "apaitude -f install"? |
| 16:53.10 | jelly | !pastebin pipe |
| 16:53.10 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 16:53.19 | jelly | irule: ^^ might help for the next time |
| 16:53.43 | RabidWeezle | thanks stew |
| 16:53.47 | RabidWeezle | that worked ^_^ |
| 16:54.00 | shah | hot to set ipaddress, subnet mask, default gateway, primary DNS, secondary DNS, for eth1, from command line. |
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| 16:54.08 | shah | how * |
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| 16:54.45 | RabidWeezle | I thought I was a goner there |
| 16:54.52 | opensrcguru | !tell shah about iproute |
| 16:55.08 | Nyle | !soap |
| 16:55.08 | dpkg | bends over to pick up the soap, winking suggestively. |
| 16:55.14 | Nyle | ugh. |
| 16:55.19 | jelly | irule: sounds like your controller doesn't do proper hotplug. You can try manually rescanning the devices. If you don't want to do things like "echo 0 0 0 0 > /sys/strange/path", install scsiadd |
| 16:55.31 | opensrcguru | shah: as far as the resolver (dns config) goes, see /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:55.34 | Nyle | jelly, is it related to AHCI? |
| 16:55.47 | Nyle | jelly, I know I can't hotplug unless bios has it enabled |
| 16:55.50 | jelly | Nyle: is what related to ahci? |
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| 16:56.28 | rellis | stew/wols_: Thanks much for the help. I'm no subscrubed to the list as well. |
| 16:56.42 | rellis | now subscribed* |
| 16:56.54 | shah | opensrcguru The requested file http://www.linuxguruz.org/iptables/howto/2.4routing-3.html was not found on this server and webmaster@linuxguruz.org has been notified. |
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| 16:57.14 | Nyle | jelly, as I suggested in the beginning, meybe he should check his bios |
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| 16:57.23 | Nyle | (just a thought, I'm not sure exactly whats up) |
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| 16:57.48 | opensrcguru | shah: hrrrrm. try this. http://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/Net:Iproute2 |
| 16:57.50 | jelly | Nyle: if there was an option to enable ahci, that might help, right |
| 16:58.20 | mordy_ | how do i restart X via the command line?\ |
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| 16:58.51 | opensrcguru | shah: "man 8 ip" is also a good resource. |
| 16:58.52 | Nyle | mordy_, do you have a DM? |
| 16:59.08 | opensrcguru | shah: that is, if the iproute package is installed. |
| 16:59.09 | mordy_ | DM? |
| 16:59.10 | Nyle | mordy_, kdm/gdm/xdm? if so... /etc/init.d/*dm restart |
| 16:59.15 | mordy_ | oh |
| 16:59.27 | Nyle | if you don't, I'm not sure how |
| 16:59.37 | Nyle | maybe locate the X pid and HUP it? |
| 16:59.39 | Nyle | no idea.... |
| 16:59.48 | jelly | Nyle: his controller is currently driven by sata_sil driver. At least some of those do proper hotplug, I have one expresscard with sii3124/sii3132 and it does hotplug nicely |
| 16:59.53 | mordy_ | nyle, it's working |
| 17:00.21 | Nyle | mhmm |
| 17:00.22 | mordy_ | i still don't understand the difference between a *dm and a desktop environment and/or a window manager |
| 17:00.41 | jelly | mordy_: *dm gives you just the login screen |
| 17:00.45 | Nyle | mordy_, desktop manager/login manager, lets you graphically login |
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| 17:01.02 | Aprigio | zzz |
| 17:01.03 | Nyle | mordy_, desktop env. is a full desktop suite, like kde, gnome, with applications that integrate with each other for a fulld sktop expe |
| 17:01.13 | jelly | rience. |
| 17:01.21 | mordy_ | does it make much of a difference with dm i use? |
| 17:01.27 | jelly | not really |
| 17:01.29 | Nyle | mordy_, a window manager is a component of a desktop manager or could be standalone, which draws windows titlesbars, controls, sometimes lets you manage the desktop if its just a window manger |
| 17:01.44 | Nyle | !xwinman |
| 17:01.45 | dpkg | it has been said that xwinman is probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
| 17:01.54 | Nyle | visit this website and have a look see, yah |
| 17:01.55 | sirkit | so |
| 17:01.57 | mordy_ | lol dpkg |
| 17:02.08 | sirkit | after doing 5 installs the same exact way, I finally got the set resolution dialog in debian |
| 17:02.33 | mordy_ | yeah, i'm having trouble with my touchpad - i've googled about it - but i haven't foudn anything recent - some threqds from 2005 about old drivers, but i don't think i should bother myself wiht that |
| 17:02.34 | Nyle | you shouln't, at least not in post etch I think (then again my etch servers are headless) |
| 17:03.01 | shah | opensrcguru: how can i install iproute package if internet is not accessible? |
| 17:03.17 | Nyle | shah, you can get it from a diff machine, and use dpkg to manually install it |
| 17:03.31 | shah | im in ubuntu now |
| 17:03.37 | mordy_ | evil! |
| 17:03.38 | Nyle | !pdo |
| 17:03.39 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 17:03.43 | Nyle | have fun |
| 17:03.52 | opensrcguru | shah: good ol sneaker net. |
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| 17:04.38 | opensrcguru | shah: ive attempted to use carrier pigeons too, but they arent too reliable with carrying the payload. |
| 17:04.42 | abrotman | shah: you can use ifconfig .. you don't need iproute |
| 17:04.52 | abrotman | shah: and route .. and /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:04.58 | abrotman | !tell shah about interfaces |
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| 17:05.39 | opensrcguru | those work as well, but i thougt i'd start with a superior method first. |
| 17:05.47 | abrotman | but he doesn't have it .. why bother? |
| 17:05.51 | abrotman | why make it harder on him? |
| 17:05.54 | opensrcguru | i dodnt know that then. |
| 17:07.16 | abrotman | shah: ? |
| 17:07.35 | mordy_ | anyone else using an alps touchpad on lenny? |
| 17:07.58 | shah | abrotman: i'll try that |
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| 17:08.21 | abrotman | shah: does your network not have dhcp ? |
| 17:09.00 | shah | abrotman: actually the problem is |
| 17:09.52 | irule | guys I just reboot the server with the new SATA cdrom on it, boot time showed a "boot from cdrom..." message a couple seconds, then skipped back to the hard drive, boots up everything ok but there is nothing differente on fdisk -l :S |
| 17:10.31 | shah | abrotman: i hav installed deb etch minimal system, but it does not detect my silan ethernt card, i hav downloaded latest kernel and installed from ubuntu, now it detected eth1, but i need to set all ips |
| 17:10.34 | Gurax | irule: there shouldn't be any entry from fdisk -l You have a cdrom device |
| 17:10.45 | abrotman | shah: but no dhcp still ? |
| 17:11.10 | irule | Gurax thanks a lot I see it :D |
| 17:11.26 | shah | abrotman: donno whats dchp, my net connection is a static ip address like 192.168.1.93 |
| 17:11.37 | shah | from a cable |
| 17:11.41 | abrotman | shah: man 5 interfaces .. should tell you how to do it |
| 17:11.41 | Gurax | irule: no problem. I learned this recently too :) |
| 17:11.49 | irule | hehe |
| 17:12.06 | irule | using k3b? |
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| 17:12.27 | shah | abrotman: so im restarting now, anything more to do? |
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| 17:12.44 | abrotman | shah: pray? |
| 17:12.51 | Gurax | shah: have you set your ip config yet ? |
| 17:13.07 | abrotman | i'm assuming he can just go back to ubuntu if it fails |
| 17:13.26 | shah | ok i'll come back if it fails |
| 17:13.32 | Gurax | seems like |
| 17:13.53 | itrebal | is stunnel not available in backports? |
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| 17:14.24 | irule | anybody know something about these messages at the bottom of dmesg? this is in regards to nic promiscuous mode and I dont know if it is notmal or I should fix somehting ,thanks http://pastebin.ca/1082691 |
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| 17:15.29 | jelly | irule: are you running vmware or similar, with guest networking in bridged mode? |
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| 17:16.42 | jelly | irule: bridged mode requires the card to be promisc., if you know what's making it that way then it's okay, I guess |
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| 17:17.35 | Gurax | jelly: do network monitoring tools also put the card in pomisc? I've read most of them do. |
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| 17:17.59 | irule | jelly nope, its a net install cdrom with the desktop option turned off at install time, just the basic linux system plus samba only |
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| 17:18.33 | opensrcguru | or packet anaylizers such as tcpdump or iptraf |
| 17:18.45 | Sumpen | Gurax: Well, if you dont put it in promisc mode you wont recieve packets that arent destined for your MAC. |
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| 17:18.47 | irule | I just want ot make sure its just a little warning and there is no data being lost, then its ok with me |
| 17:19.04 | Farhadix | Hi guys, how I can change encoding of a file? |
| 17:19.14 | Gurax | Sumpen: opensrcguru: ok thanks for info |
| 17:19.16 | stew | Farhadix: iconv |
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| 17:19.25 | Farhadix | stew, tnx |
| 17:20.17 | irule | my deepshit boss just asked me if I know how to burn a cdrom with linux hehe ..k3b kicks nero arse |
| 17:20.29 | jelly | Gurax: they do, to be able to monitor all the traffic. tcpdump, snort, ntop, iptraf, etc... |
| 17:21.00 | irule | so in your opinions, is there a problem with my nic being promisc? |
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| 17:21.16 | abrotman | ask your network admin .. not us |
| 17:21.25 | jelly | irule: possibly not. find out what is making it do that |
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| 17:24.14 | jelly | wonders how to make hal not automount an sd card with sync option |
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| 17:25.41 | Katty | my nic is getting a new mac address everytime i reboot )= |
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| 17:26.01 | Gurax | Katty: is that a vm ? |
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| 17:26.14 | Katty | Gurax: no :/ |
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| 17:26.20 | Katty | Gurax: just a plain ole debian box. |
| 17:26.25 | Pappa | is there any way to set up different time zones for each user? |
| 17:26.41 | Gurax | Katty: I have no idea. :/ |
| 17:27.07 | Katty | Gurax: yeah, me either :/ |
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| 17:28.05 | Sumpen | ah, this damn timezones discussion again. Lets just all switch to Swatch beats ^^ |
| 17:28.08 | Gurax | Pappa: I just had a look at "tzselect" |
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| 17:28.38 | Pappa | and |
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| 17:30.57 | Gurax | Pappa: It will generate a line which you can put to the file '.profile' in your home directory; then log out and log in again. |
| 17:31.12 | trifler | What do I write now again to "load" a config file into bash |
| 17:31.16 | Pappa | ah i just ran it |
| 17:31.17 | Pappa | kickass. |
| 17:32.27 | willluongo | Hello, what log is the default for wireless interfaces? |
| 17:33.36 | abrotman | log of what? |
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| 17:34.31 | willluongo | abrotman: Hopefully errors :) |
| 17:34.42 | abrotman | /var/log/syslog or /var/log/messages |
| 17:35.03 | willluongo | abrotman: thank you |
| 17:35.20 | abrotman | willluongo: in general .. most logging goes to /var/log/ |
| 17:35.55 | willluongo | abrotman: I knew that much, but I didn't know which one would have the wireless. |
| 17:36.09 | zamba | i want to install debian on a CF card.. how can i go about doing this? |
| 17:36.15 | valdyn | willluongo: errors are not grouped by the wireless property |
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| 17:37.47 | willluongo | Now this might be the wrong place, but I am having this problem across all of my debian based distros (usually after updating): my wifi worked, but fails to connect and constantly reprompts for the auth key. I have also tried it with no key (on both router and computer) but no dice. Any ideas? |
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| 17:39.17 | abrotman | debian based? |
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| 17:41.28 | wols | willluongo: ask the specific distros |
| 17:41.31 | Pavlz | hello |
| 17:41.42 | wols | or reproduce the problem with real debian and then ask us |
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| 17:42.12 | Pavlz | welcome jakub |
| 17:42.45 | willluongo | ok thank you |
| 17:42.51 | valdyn | zamba: same as on a harddisk, as far as debian is concerned |
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| 17:43.48 | valdyn | trifler: its not a config file, its a bash script, "source <script>" |
| 17:43.50 | zamba | valdyn: ok.. but what should i do to protect the cf from all the writes? |
| 17:43.51 | Pavlz | pc is again downloading |
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| 17:44.54 | trifler | valdyn: ty |
| 17:45.10 | Pavlz | this morning i downloaded from poland 8,8 gb |
| 17:45.11 | trifler | valdyn: But what it if change in i.e. dir_colors? |
| 17:45.21 | trifler | valdyn: How do I awake that? |
| 17:45.43 | valdyn | trifler: didnt I just tell you? |
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| 17:46.05 | Pavlz | welcome Nibbler |
| 17:48.20 | Pavlz | i saw a directore called: list-dvd |
| 17:48.28 | Pavlz | what is ? |
| 17:48.45 | Pavlz | directory |
| 17:48.56 | itrebal | is it possible to get the /etc/exim4 original configuration documents? |
| 17:49.58 | trifler | valdyn: Then I must have miunderstood. Because when I run source dir_colors I get allot of "command not found" but anyways ty. |
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| 17:53.38 | shah | configured but no reply for ping |
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| 17:54.09 | itrebal | is there anywhere I can get the default contents of /etc/exim4 ? |
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| 17:55.32 | asg | itrebal: download the exim4-config package |
| 17:55.37 | itrebal | thanks |
| 17:55.39 | shah | <abrotman>, done almost but yet no reply for ping |
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| 17:56.20 | shah | <Gurax> done almost but yet no reply for ping |
| 17:56.24 | Gurax | shah: you have the interface up ? |
| 17:56.37 | shah | yes |
| 17:56.46 | shah | half duplex |
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| 17:57.12 | Gurax | shah: you're pinging a lan host or something remote beyond that ? |
| 17:57.26 | shah | both |
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| 17:58.29 | valdyn | trifler: eval |
| 17:58.29 | abrotman | shah: you've set the 'address','gateway','netmask' .. and put your dns servers in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 17:58.31 | abrotman | ? |
| 17:58.39 | valdyn | trifler: eval ~/.dir_colors |
| 17:58.43 | Gurax | shah: when you issue ifconfig are there packets in tx and rx ? |
| 17:58.59 | shah | <abrotman> |
| 17:59.03 | shah | yes |
| 17:59.14 | shah | <Gurax> donno |
| 17:59.23 | shah | i'll c n brb |
| 17:59.34 | Gurax | shah: you have to reboot to see ? |
| 17:59.40 | shah | yes |
| 17:59.45 | Gurax | shah: ok wait. |
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| 18:01.03 | Gurax | shah: in ifconfig see if you have all address/mask proper. Do "route -n" to see if you have proper routing. Try to ping a lan host that does not have a firewall or that blocks icmp. |
| 18:01.04 | Gurax | :) |
| 18:01.40 | Gurax | shah: see what "mii-tool" tells you |
| 18:02.07 | Gurax | shah: mii-tool -v |
| 18:02.33 | Gurax | shah: check these |
| 18:02.45 | shah | ok |
| 18:02.47 | shah | brb |
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| 18:04.11 | greeg | hi |
| 18:04.28 | greeg | does the bot happen to know anything about the tor button on ice weasel |
| 18:05.14 | wols | greeg: are you really sure this is not a extension you have loaded that provides the button? |
| 18:05.23 | irule | k3b cant find tccat, neather can deb, how may I install it? |
| 18:05.35 | wols | !tell irule about search |
| 18:05.36 | Lagbolt | tor button? |
| 18:06.05 | irule | apt-cache search tccat |
| 18:06.06 | irule | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.30 | irule | wols that bot must have left for dinner lol |
| 18:06.41 | Lagbolt | irule, that is part of transcode |
| 18:06.42 | asg | !botsnack |
| 18:06.43 | dpkg | thanks, asg |
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| 18:07.08 | wols | irule: it hast not: 20:05 <dpkg> told irule about search (Please search for things rather than just asking:.... |
| 18:07.36 | wols | irule: and apt-cache can't search for single commands |
| 18:07.42 | wols | only for packages |
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| 18:07.44 | Lagbolt | irule, use apt-file search tccat :) |
| 18:07.47 | Lagbolt | !apt-file |
| 18:07.48 | dpkg | i guess apt-file is a utility used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also <auto-apt> and <pdo>, or use apt-file: "aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update" ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename. |
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| 18:11.23 | picknick | apt-cache search apt-file ...? |
| 18:11.31 | JonkoPA | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 18:11.32 | JonkoPA | E: Error occurred while processing rxvt-unicode-ml (NewVersion1) |
| 18:11.32 | JonkoPA | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.de.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 18:11.32 | JonkoPA | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
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| 18:11.36 | abrotman | really? |
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| 18:11.40 | abrotman | !tell JonkoPA about mmap |
| 18:11.48 | abrotman | !tell JonkoPA about paste |
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| 18:12.23 | rgsteele||work | Hey folks - any way to download a package without processing it's dependencies (using apt) |
| 18:12.30 | rgsteele||work | Or do I need to resort to dpkg for that? |
| 18:12.54 | wols | dpkg can't download anything |
| 18:12.55 | dpkg | wols: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
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| 18:15.09 | shah | <Gurax>, ifconfig, in lo section, Tx=1008 is there, and for mii-tool -v SIOCGMIIPHY on 'eth1' failed: Operation not supported |
| 18:16.25 | Gurax | shah: you had only lo from ifconfig? How many cards does the system have? eth1 implies an eth0 possibly too |
| 18:16.45 | shah | i hav eth0 and eth1 aswell |
| 18:17.04 | Gurax | and ? |
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| 18:17.53 | shah | i hav got builtin ethernet card, and one addon (externally fixed) |
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| 18:18.26 | Gurax | shah: are they listed in ifconfig? |
| 18:18.34 | shah | yup |
| 18:19.50 | Gurax | shah: and properly configured? it's the TX and RX of the card connected with cable that matter. that's the one you care about |
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| 18:20.22 | wyleu | am I in the right place to ask questions about installing applications aptitude and/or Synaptic |
| 18:20.45 | Nyle | mother fucker |
| 18:20.49 | Nyle | I gotta go to the hospital again |
| 18:20.51 | Nyle | :( |
| 18:20.55 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 18:21.08 | wyleu | ? |
| 18:21.25 | Gurax | wyleu: ask and see if anyone can answer |
| 18:21.29 | shah | <Gurax>, what i hav to do? |
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| 18:22.13 | abrotman | wyleu: on debian? |
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| 18:22.49 | rgsteele||work | wols: Yeah I know. |
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| 18:22.58 | ac3 | hi |
| 18:22.58 | Lagbolt | Nyle, that blows |
| 18:23.00 | Jabka | who sets the KVERS value (what application) ? |
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| 18:24.04 | lotus-blade | how do I get ssh server turned on? or is it even installed by default? |
| 18:24.05 | ac3 | it seems that /etc/hosts is not used anymore for nameresolving on my sarge machine, what could i check? |
| 18:24.12 | shah | shall i try what <opensrcguru> told??? |
| 18:24.12 | asg | lotus-blade: install openssh-server |
| 18:24.16 | wyleu | I'm probably missing something pivotal but I'm having lots of problems installing a jre that will run with IceWeasel, I use apt-get sun-java6-jre but all I ever get is no installation candidate |
| 18:24.34 | abrotman | wyleu: which version of debian, and which architecture? |
| 18:24.49 | Gurax | shah: when you configure say eth0, make sure the cable goes to eth0 not eth1. and of that card you see what you have in TX and RX from ifconfig for that configured and up card. if the card is up, ip is configured and routing is ok. unless there's a fiilter anywhere, i can't say why it doesn't work |
| 18:24.55 | wyleu | I believe it's etch on a 386 |
| 18:25.04 | lotus-blade | thanks |
| 18:25.12 | abrotman | wyleu: tried sun-java6-plugin ? |
| 18:25.32 | wyleu | Oh yes, same result |
| 18:25.48 | wyleu | much mucking around with repositories has occured. |
| 18:26.01 | wyleu | and still no joy. |
| 18:26.31 | DebDude | Hi all, I need to configure my intel card and my synaptic touchpad in xorg.conf on debian lenny. Is there a tool which could automate this process, or do I have to manually hack xorg.conf? |
| 18:26.43 | shah | <Gurax>, its working 5n here (ubuntu), so can u see some outputs of commands so that u may trave out what the problem is? |
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| 18:27.00 | shah | *trace |
| 18:27.32 | puff | Hey, just heard about the DNS exploit. http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/2008/msg00185.html |
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| 18:28.17 | Gurax | shah: did you try to put the cable on the other card while you tried debian? it might be just a swapped ethernet config |
| 18:28.55 | puff | One page I read about this exploit said to: Update to version 9.5.0-P1, 9.4.2-P1, or 9.3.5-P1 to expand the query port range to mitigate attacks. |
| 18:29.07 | Lagbolt | DebDude, you can use qsynaptics, ksynatics, gsynaptics or edit xorg.conf |
| 18:29.10 | asg | puff: you've not been paying attention much recently then |
| 18:29.35 | Jabka | are here etch users ? i need head /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h , (kernel less then 2.6.22) |
| 18:29.50 | stew | puff: see the Debian Security Announcement: http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1603 |
| 18:29.57 | shah | distance of cable from the provider is too far that its not reachable via builtin card, so he recommended me to fix a new 10/100 card so even if i try to exchange the cable i hope it wont respond |
| 18:30.27 | shah | @^^<Gurax> |
| 18:30.32 | DebDude | Lagbolt: is there a specific tool for each hardware device? for example, what about my intel graphics driver? |
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| 18:30.57 | puff | aga: Yeah, July has been a busy month for me elsewhere. |
| 18:31.39 | Lagbolt | DebDude, intel graphics like xserver-xorg-video-intel package? |
| 18:31.57 | puff | stew: I did aptitude update/aptitude install bind9. That said it was installing version 9.2.something, which is what I was wondering about. |
| 18:32.15 | Gurax | shah: you then try to configure the other card. what ubuntu calls eth0 can be eth1 in debian and vice versa, I think |
| 18:32.16 | asg | puff: debian backports security fixes |
| 18:32.16 | DebDude | Lagbolt: yes, I think the driver is i810 after googling around on lspci's output |
| 18:32.22 | stew | puff: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:32.37 | stew | must be sarge |
| 18:32.46 | asg | yeah if he's 9.2.x |
| 18:33.06 | asg | Version: 1:9.2.4-1sarge3 |
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| 18:33.17 | stew | puff: you should upgrade to etch aka debian stable. the version you are running is no longer supported and no longer gets security patches. its likely you are vulnerable to all kinds of things, not just DNS: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 18:33.19 | Lagbolt | DebDude, yeah, the one i listed is in testing . .. sorry |
| 18:33.21 | Gurax | Jabka: cannot open `/usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h' for reading: No such file or directory |
| 18:33.36 | Pavlz | anyone of you tried BLAG ? |
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| 18:33.49 | wols | !anyone use BLAG |
| 18:33.49 | dpkg | No, no one uses BLAG, not even the people who use it. |
| 18:33.50 | Nyle | back, the lady wasn't there |
| 18:33.56 | Nyle | !blag |
| 18:33.58 | wols | Gurax: install the headers for your kernel |
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| 18:34.03 | Nyle | hm |
| 18:34.06 | Gurax | Jabka: i have 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:34.11 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 18:34.14 | wols | Gurax: but not the headers |
| 18:34.32 | Jabka | oo , this is reletive to the kernel headers |
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| 18:34.48 | Nyle | argh kopete crashed |
| 18:34.48 | Pavlz | blag is a cleaned distribution based on fedora, without not free software .... |
| 18:34.49 | DebDude | Lagbolt: in general, do I have to install the driver + the configuration of it in xorg.conf for each device that I'd like to add? |
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| 18:34.57 | abrotman | Pavlz: this is #debian |
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| 18:35.13 | Pavlz | infact i asked |
| 18:35.14 | Jabka | for some reason on 2.6.18-6 i got KVERS = unknow and it should be KVERS = 2.6.18-6 |
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| 18:36.11 | Gurax | Jabka: I could apt-get the headers and try again? |
| 18:36.19 | Nyle | we don't discuss other distributions here |
| 18:36.31 | puff | stew: How would I definitively check which version I'm on? |
| 18:36.31 | Nyle | wow thats an old kernel |
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| 18:36.46 | Lagbolt | DebDude, you def need drivers for your hardware, as far as loading, xorg does a pretty good job of detecting them. i dont use intel graphics but i think you have to toss that in xorg.conf to use it |
| 18:36.54 | asg | puff: /msg dpkg version |
| 18:37.06 | Jabka | Gurex : apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 18:37.13 | picknick | Jabka: My etch kernel is 2.6.18-6-686. My version.h has two rows... |
| 18:37.30 | wols | DebDude: what debian version? |
| 18:37.33 | picknick | #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132626 |
| 18:37.36 | Jabka | and the are .. |
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| 18:37.43 | picknick | #define KERNEL_VERSION(a,b,c) (((a) << 16) + ((b) << 8) + (c)) |
| 18:37.55 | Jabka | so i have the a buggy kernel |
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| 18:38.27 | puff | asg: None of that tells me whether I"m on sarge or etch. |
| 18:38.28 | DebDude | Lagbolt: xorg does detect them without even mentioning them in xorg.conf, i.e. just by starting X? |
| 18:38.29 | stew | puff: if the newest software you get is from sarge (which was replaced by etch 1.5 years ago) you definately need to upgrade. follow the upgrade procedure in the release notes and you'll be running etch |
| 18:38.33 | Gurax | old kernel? yes. useful? yes. Jabka is a witness. ^^ |
| 18:38.42 | puff | asg: apt.sources say stable. |
| 18:39.11 | stew | puff: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 18:39.38 | stew | puff: show us the output of "apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 bind9" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:39.49 | greeg | the firefox privoxy button is not in apt-cache search |
| 18:40.01 | stew | puff: its recommended, btw, that you use release names like "sarge' or 'etch' in sources.list not 'stable' |
| 18:40.13 | greeg | is it a tor button or privoxy button im looking for. |
| 18:40.17 | puff | 2.3.6.ds1-13 |
| 18:40.18 | Gurax | Jabka: I have linux-headers-2.6.18-6/ linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686/ linux-kbuild-2.6.18/ |
| 18:40.28 | Gurax | Jabka: which i see for you ? |
| 18:40.37 | Lagbolt | DebDude, i dont know the best answer to your question. |
| 18:40.37 | stew | puff: so you are running a machine which is a mix of sarge and etch. you should upgrade to etch |
| 18:40.59 | stew | puff: you also are seemingly lacking a security repository |
| 18:41.11 | Jabka | is what you need linux-headers-2.6.18-6 |
| 18:41.32 | DebDude | Lagbolt: Thank you though :) |
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| 18:42.13 | DebDude | I didn't know configuring even basic devices could be a pain |
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| 18:42.43 | Lagbolt | DebDude, best thing to do would be read about xorg, read about configuring those devices and you will see there are various ways to handle it. then you will learn more about how it works and what method of configuration gives you what you want |
| 18:43.05 | puff | http://pastebin.com/d43d99e30 |
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| 18:43.24 | DebDude | Lagbolt: thanks a mil dude, will do |
| 18:43.35 | puff | Hm, just noticed that I have sarge-backports in /etc/apt/sources.list. |
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| 18:44.07 | stew | puff: when was the last time you ran "aptitude update" or "apt-get update"? |
| 18:44.09 | Jabka | Thank people i got my answer ( a buggy kernel( |
| 18:44.23 | puff | http://pastebin.com/d35a31202 |
| 18:44.27 | puff | stew: This morning. |
| 18:44.54 | stew | puff: wait, you said you got bind 9.2, vut you install bind .3.4-2etch3 |
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| 18:44.55 | tubbybastard | hello all, for zone transfers, I need the allow transfer in the named.conf on the master, the masters {} in the slave zone file, and port 53 open on the firewalls? |
| 18:44.59 | Gurax | Jabka: there's no version.h file |
| 18:45.04 | tubbybastard | anything else? |
| 18:45.18 | Gurax | Jabka: i have tons of other files there, but no version.h |
| 18:45.25 | stiv2k | join #java |
| 18:45.26 | stew | puff: but you haven't kept up to date with security upgrades. ou should run "aptitude dist-upgrade" |
| 18:45.27 | Jabka | Gurax , thankx any way (i guess i have buggy kernel) |
| 18:45.27 | stiv2k | oops |
| 18:45.32 | asg | tubbybastard: you need tcp port 53 for transfers, not just udp/53 |
| 18:45.46 | Gurax | Jabka: np man |
| 18:45.47 | puff | stew: I've been gunshy ever since that security upgrade a couple months ago... |
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| 18:46.10 | tubbybastard | asg, both? |
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| 18:46.44 | kingsley | Should I be concerned that serial ports and ahci share an IRQ? |
| 18:46.48 | puff | stew: I upgraded both my debian server and my ubuntu laptop. The ubuntu laptop had a drive failure alter that afternoon. The debian server had a drive failure 48 hours later. |
| 18:46.49 | asg | tubbybastard: yes, for transfers definitely and tcp is also used if the data returned is too large to fit in a single datagram |
| 18:46.54 | ponyofdeath | hi, im wondering if anyone has setup a dhcp server on a single nic with two different subnets on it connected to the same vlan |
| 18:47.30 | puff | stew: But I guess I can't hid forever, time for an update. |
| 18:47.37 | puff | stew, asg, thanks. |
| 18:47.43 | stew | puff: you are missing security upgrades from over a year ago |
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| 18:47.55 | puff | stew: So I should remove that sarge line? |
| 18:48.06 | stew | puff: you should remove the sarge line and the non-US lines |
| 18:48.45 | puff | stew: Why remove the non-us lines? |
| 18:48.56 | asg | puff: they aren't used anymore |
| 18:48.59 | puff | Ah. |
| 18:49.04 | stew | !crypto in main |
| 18:49.04 | dpkg | it has been said that crypto in main is Legal advice received 31-Jul-2001 indicates that the new US export regulations on cryptographic software will allow Debian to distribute cryptographic software from the US, provided certain hoops are jumped through. <http://www.debian.org/legal/cryptoinmain>. Yes, this means you no longer need non-us sources |
| 18:49.12 | trinux | main contrib non-free |
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| 18:49.32 | asg | stew: 2001! I feel old :) |
| 18:49.38 | puff | Ah, cool. |
| 18:49.43 | stew | asg: yeah, really |
| 18:49.59 | score | where can i find out which install cd i should use for a given arch? |
| 18:50.04 | trinux | was that to the time of Bill Clinton? |
| 18:50.55 | wols | score: check wikipedia what each name for the arch means and then choose depending on your hardware |
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| 18:52.43 | score | wols: well, i'm confused. i see on wikipedia that it says use amd64 for intel/amd 64 bit .. is there a way to tell whether a processor is 32bit/64bit from something like /proc/cpuinfo? i'm not sure about these xeons |
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| 18:53.31 | \amethyst | score: look for lm ("long mode") in the flags in /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 18:53.56 | \amethyst | score: if it's there, the CPU supports 64-bit operation |
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| 18:55.26 | score | \amethyst: okay. so, everything sounds right. i'm using the amd64 arch for these xeon 64bit processors. everything appears to be working fine, but when i try to run the xen-amd64 kernel, i think i get a message about an illegal instruction or unknown instruction set when trying to load the kernel from the grub menu |
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| 18:56.45 | SeJo | are there network managers that don't have dependencies on gnome or kde? |
| 18:56.48 | tubbybastard | score: aren't xeons non-x86 architecture? |
| 18:56.52 | abrotman | no |
| 18:56.57 | tubbybastard | sejo: wicd |
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| 18:57.10 | SeJo | tubbybastard: that seems not to work with my card |
| 18:57.16 | SeJo | it hangs but no connection is made |
| 18:57.34 | tubbybastard | sejo: sorry, I've never had much luck with it either |
| 18:58.00 | JonkoPA | damnit selinux doesn't work properly out of the box with debian stable |
| 18:58.58 | Gurax | SeJo: you're having network problems ? |
| 18:58.58 | tubbybastard | abrotman: who was your no to? |
| 18:59.06 | stew | tubbybastard: you |
| 18:59.16 | \amethyst | tubbybastard: no, Xeons are x86 or EM64T |
| 18:59.41 | stew | SeJo: maybe laptop-net or ifplugd? |
| 18:59.47 | SeJo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:59.55 | \amethyst | tubbybastard: Xeons are basically server-grade x86/x86-64 chips |
| 19:00.14 | Gurax | SeJo: ah ok |
| 19:00.17 | tubbybastard | does intel make a non-x86 chip? |
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| 19:00.40 | \amethyst | tubbybastard: yes; Itanium (IA64) is one of the more well-known |
| 19:01.08 | tubbybastard | amethyst, I thought so, getting my names mixed, thanks for correcting my mistake |
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| 19:02.06 | \amethyst | tubbybastard: XScale was another one, but Intel sold it to Marvell |
| 19:02.31 | wyleu | how does one get a version number from a debian installation? |
| 19:02.34 | \amethyst | tubbybastard: though that was not their own architecture, but rather ARM |
| 19:02.38 | tubbybastard | xscale is what they were putting in iPaqs though correct? |
| 19:02.48 | tubbybastard | or HP was rather |
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| 19:03.03 | Gurax | wyleu: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 19:03.37 | abrotman | tubbybastard: to you |
| 19:03.42 | \amethyst | tubbybastard: most of them |
| 19:03.53 | abrotman | tubbybastard: intel makes a few non-x86 chips |
| 19:04.10 | tubbybastard | abrotman, thanks, I thought so |
| 19:04.44 | \amethyst | do they still make the 80960 ? |
| 19:04.50 | abrotman | xscale is non-x86 too ? .. maybe? |
| 19:05.15 | abrotman | http://www.intel.com/products/processor/index.htm?iid=business+processors |
| 19:05.33 | \amethyst | ah, no, it's dead |
| 19:05.41 | \amethyst | abrotman: it's ARM, so yes, non-x86 |
| 19:06.24 | Nyle | gameboy advance sp has ARM |
| 19:06.34 | Nyle | no MMU |
| 19:06.51 | JonkoPA | what package does "/etc/selinux/config" belong to? |
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| 19:08.27 | anirban | Hi |
| 19:08.44 | anirban | I am problem with my DVD drive with DMA turn on |
| 19:09.35 | anirban | I am getting DMA time our when ever I try to run a DVD |
| 19:09.42 | abrotman | so don't turn it on |
| 19:10.07 | anirban | then the movies are running very very slow |
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| 19:10.25 | anirban | and I takes a hell lot of time to copy some thing from DVD |
| 19:11.33 | kmeyer | hey, how do I configure networking on my debian system that will persist when I reboot? |
| 19:11.50 | stew | kmeyer: man interfaces |
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| 19:11.54 | Phase | /etc/network/interfaces I believe is what you mean. |
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| 19:12.05 | kmeyer | thanks. |
| 19:12.06 | tubbybastard | exit |
| 19:13.56 | SeJo | btw is iceweasel in unstable broken? |
| 19:14.01 | SeJo | it exits without message |
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| 19:15.04 | abrotman | SeJo: check the BTS |
| 19:15.44 | SeJo | BTS? |
| 19:15.50 | stew | SeJo: check to see if you already have one running. if not, try starting it after temporarily moving your ~/.mozilla directory out of the way |
| 19:15.56 | SeJo | ok |
| 19:15.59 | stew | SeJo: /msg dpkg bts |
| 19:16.05 | stew | SeJo: or /msg dpkg btssmite me |
| 19:17.30 | SeJo | stew :p |
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| 19:19.38 | AbortRetryFail | i misread that as "/msg dpkg bite me" |
| 19:20.53 | adama | I just accidentally rsynced a partition to itself. Will that cause a problem? |
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| 19:22.17 | adama | I did: rsync -HavI --delete-excluded /dev/sda/3/ /dev/sda/3 |
| 19:23.01 | adama | wait that's wrong |
| 19:23.11 | adama | I did: rsync -HavI --delete-excluded /mnt/sda/3/ /mnt/sda/3 |
| 19:23.34 | adama | (with /dev/sda3 mounted at /mnt/sda/3 ) |
| 19:23.53 | adama | guess I'll find out :) |
| 19:24.35 | neonlightning | oh no you'll explode the universe :P |
| 19:24.38 | abrotman | dpkg: bite AbortRetryFail |
| 19:24.39 | dpkg | takes a big bite out of AbortRetryFail's jugular vein |
| 19:25.44 | adama | neonlightning: probably. We only have until I boot that partition to live. Then it's all over |
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| 19:26.12 | neonlightning | starts practising yoga so he can kiss his ass goodbye |
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| 19:29.47 | neonlightning | i'm bored enough that i'm seeing how many times i can count from 1-30 without having to correct myself |
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| 19:31.08 | kmeyer | what is the standard reboot command on debian? |
| 19:31.10 | kmeyer | init 6? |
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| 19:31.33 | SanDiego | hi |
| 19:31.45 | Pavlz | hi |
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| 19:31.55 | Pavlz | welcome peppe |
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| 19:32.04 | SanDiego | how can i make some programs wich must run as normal user to be launched at startup? |
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| 19:33.34 | abrotman | kmeyer: 'reboot' ? |
| 19:33.39 | abrotman | shutdown -r ? |
| 19:33.46 | picknick | kmeyr: shutdown -r now ? |
| 19:34.23 | Pavlz | i would like to know, if possible how reboot the pc from GNU/linux from gui or shell without any time it asks me password and account, i always use shutdown -r now for reboot or simple reboot, but any time it asks me account and password |
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| 19:35.02 | kmeyer | thanks |
| 19:35.14 | wols | Pavlz: make shutdown suid root |
| 19:35.30 | Pavlz | thanks |
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| 19:36.05 | SanDiego | how can i make some programs wich must run as normal user to be loaded at startup? |
| 19:36.50 | SanDiego | more exactly an ircd ,a postgresql and gnuworld |
| 19:36.50 | peppe | wols: that's a non-solution, since if shutdown gets upgraded it will lost the setuid bit. THE solution is to use sudo |
| 19:36.53 | wols | SanDiego: man su |
| 19:37.07 | wols | peppe: you're right |
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| 19:38.21 | SanDiego | i don`t need necesarry man su , i need the commands if i make i file and put it in /etc/init.d |
| 19:39.03 | SanDiego | something likw on windows |
| 19:39.47 | \amethyst | peppe: you could use dpkg-statoverride |
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| 19:42.59 | peppe | \amethyst: right, but why messing up dpkg for something that's simpler and clearer with sudo? :) |
| 19:43.26 | norton- | if I try to install anything with aptitude I get this: http://rafb.net/p/rNx3WB60.html what should I do? |
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| 19:46.21 | Nyle | !ppid |
| 19:46.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ppid is Parent Process ID, or to find the ppid of a pid, run "ps -O%P pid" |
| 19:47.23 | wols | norton-: update your packages |
| 19:47.43 | wols | !tell SanDiego about rc.local |
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| 19:49.35 | norton- | wols: thank you |
| 19:50.07 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 19:50.13 | HardDisk_WP | how can i spin down my usb hdd |
| 19:50.15 | HardDisk_WP | ? |
| 19:50.23 | HardDisk_WP | hdparm doesn't work |
| 19:50.37 | wols | afaik you cannot |
| 19:50.47 | HardDisk_WP | i mean, i can eject it, but i then can't re-enable it without unplugging |
| 19:51.03 | HardDisk_WP | or can i force a re-init of all usb devices on one hub? |
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| 19:51.35 | stew | HardDisk_WP: power cycle the hub :) |
| 19:52.05 | HardDisk_WP | i have to do this myself. this is not good for some small server |
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| 19:52.35 | HardDisk_WP | because i dont want its external 640GB disk to spin 24/7, that's just too loud for a sleeping room,lol |
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| 19:53.38 | maligor | just spinning isn't loud unless it has a loud fan on the case |
| 19:55.05 | wols | HardDisk_WP: you can't hear an idle modern 640GB disk |
| 19:55.21 | HardDisk_WP | i hear it and that is the problem^^ |
| 19:55.38 | Nyle | 'fucking zombie |
| 19:55.39 | HardDisk_WP | and it's wasteful for the disks lifetime as I only need it once per day |
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| 19:55.47 | Nyle | tries to ignore the zombie pid |
| 19:55.57 | Nyle | 24337 ? Zs 0:00 [x-www-browser] <defunct> |
| 19:56.02 | HardDisk_WP | but i need it from remote, so that is why manually putting it on suxx0rs |
| 19:56.10 | AlfadorJanus | i'm trying to compile 173.14.05 drivers on a custom 2.6.26 kernel on debian |
| 19:56.14 | AlfadorJanus | and i keep getting an error when trying to compile the kernel modules |
| 19:56.15 | Nyle | HardDisk_WP, whats the WP in your nickname stand for? |
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| 19:56.23 | AlfadorJanus | can someone please look at my install log and tell me what the error means and possibly how to fix it? |
| 19:56.28 | AlfadorJanus | http://pastebin.ca/1082849 |
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| 19:56.34 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, wikipedia |
| 19:56.38 | AlfadorJanus | nvidia drivers that is. |
| 19:56.44 | Nyle | oh |
| 19:56.57 | Nyle | you like wp that much eh? :) |
| 19:57.08 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, ^^ |
| 19:57.08 | wols | AlfadorJanus: nvidia-installer not supported here. ask #nvidia |
| 19:57.16 | Nyle | AlfadorJanus, nvidia instal lis not support here... |
| 19:57.17 | Nyle | nm |
| 19:57.24 | HardDisk_WP | Nyle, well, "harddisk" wasn't unregistered |
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| 19:57.25 | Nyle | !nvidia |
| 19:57.25 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>, or nvidia.com drivers are not supported in #debian so please go to #nvidia. |
| 19:57.43 | Nyle | nvidia installer has ain --uninstall option |
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| 19:57.52 | Nyle | clean your system of all nvidia binary drivers if you want support here |
| 19:58.06 | Nyle | or else try #nvidia as wols said |
| 19:58.14 | gn00b | how do i start vmware-server as root? i've tried 'vmware' and 'vmware &' |
| 19:58.45 | n3kl | How can I hook up a serial console to debian? |
| 19:58.46 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: maybe that driver version isn't compatible with that kernel version? the error is "unknown field 'nopage'" in nv.c:1853. Maybe #nvidia knows more |
| 19:58.50 | cluser | Hi, I got this message when using apt-get upgrade today. |
| 19:58.50 | cluser | Preparing to replace selinux-policy-refpolicy-targeted 0.0.20061018-5 (using .../selinux-policy-refpolicy-targeted_0.0.20061018-5.1+etch1_all.deb) ... |
| 19:58.50 | cluser | You already have a refpolicy-targeted policy installed. I am leaving it alone. Please check and update manually. |
| 19:58.50 | cluser | Is this critical? |
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| 19:59.07 | Nyle | \amethyst, don't. |
| 19:59.17 | Nyle | gn00b, why as root? |
| 19:59.29 | Nyle | gn00b, does it need to be started as root? |
| 19:59.58 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: you also might try the debian nvidia packages; I'm not sure if they compile against 2.6.26, but you'd get more help here if you tried that |
| 20:00.17 | Nyle | I think jetscreamer did that not many days ago |
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| 20:00.26 | gn00b | Nyle, i need to install the serial number |
| 20:00.28 | Nyle | he is always using custom kernels and he uses nvidia |
| 20:00.30 | AlfadorJanus | \amethyst: i don't think they do :/ |
| 20:00.43 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: the version in sid is later than the version you have, anyway |
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| 20:00.49 | Benjee | is there a way to work with stdout in real time? that is - while program is working an generating output continuously |
| 20:01.10 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: 173.14.09 |
| 20:01.25 | Nyle | gn00b, you have the root password? |
| 20:01.37 | Nyle | gn00b, what stops you from starting it as root? |
| 20:01.48 | picknick | SanDiego: -> http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Distribution_Specific/Debian_GNULinux/Debian__Startup_Commands.html |
| 20:01.50 | AlfadorJanus | \amethyst: i just downloaded the version i have from nvidia's website a few minute ago |
| 20:02.00 | AlfadorJanus | it *SHOULD* be the newest stable version |
| 20:02.07 | abrotman | it's still not supported here |
| 20:02.32 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: somehow debian has 173.14.09 and you have 173.14.05 |
| 20:02.43 | gn00b | Nyle, i'm logged in as a normal user. when i bring up vmware-server, it's as a normal user. i want to know how to start vmware-server as root so that i can enter the serial number |
| 20:02.44 | cluser | Today I had an issue while updating package selinux-policy-refpolicy-targeted 0.0.20061018-5, log is posted in #flood. Is this a critical issue? |
| 20:03.00 | Nyle | gn00b, do you have the root password? |
| 20:03.07 | gn00b | yes |
| 20:03.10 | Nyle | gn00b, su -c "vmware-server" perhaps |
| 20:03.37 | Nyle | gn00b, or install sudo, then visudo, make entry in /etc/sudoers, and "sudo vmware-server" as user |
| 20:03.56 | AlfadorJanus | \amethyst: would the debian work with a custom compiled vanilla kernel though? I'm not used to debian, been a gentoo user for years :/ |
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| 20:04.24 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: if you use make-kpkg to build it |
| 20:04.32 | abrotman | and you create the header package |
| 20:04.33 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: the kernel, that is |
| 20:04.41 | Nyle | AlfadorJanus, yes |
| 20:04.45 | helo | anyone use debian? |
| 20:04.50 | Nyle | helo, no |
| 20:04.54 | Nyle | helo, :) |
| 20:05.01 | AlfadorJanus | \amethyst: and if i just installed it the old fashion way? |
| 20:05.03 | Nyle | we all use ubuntu! |
| 20:05.07 | AlfadorJanus | with make config and whatnot? |
| 20:05.22 | AlfadorJanus | well make menuconfig |
| 20:05.23 | Nyle | AlfadorJanus, you can do that too but it will not generate kernel packages |
| 20:05.30 | Pavlz | but deb is not ubuntu |
| 20:05.31 | Nyle | or rather debian specific kernel packages |
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| 20:05.43 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: then you'll have problems using any debian third-party kernel modules |
| 20:05.47 | Nyle | and it maybe more hectic than you want |
| 20:06.00 | Nyle | and what \amethyst said too |
| 20:06.06 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: you're stuck building all them by hand, too, and you'll get no support on kernel- or module-related issues here |
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| 20:06.33 | Nyle | Pavlz, you still downloading DVDs? |
| 20:06.54 | AlfadorJanus | now i remember why i stopped using debian :( |
| 20:07.05 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: make-kpkg isn't all that hard to use |
| 20:07.06 | Nyle | AlfadorJanus, you can stop using it now |
| 20:07.11 | Nyle | AlfadorJanus, no one has a gun to your head |
| 20:07.13 | Pavlz | i got a problem with gaim |
| 20:07.17 | Nyle | AlfadorJanus, try not to whine in here please. |
| 20:07.22 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: nor is module-assistant for building modules |
| 20:07.35 | AlfadorJanus | i generally don't mess with modules |
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| 20:07.46 | AlfadorJanus | i always compile everything i need into the kernel |
| 20:07.47 | mofino | Hi, I'm trying to use update-rc.d and I'm having a hard time |
| 20:07.58 | AlfadorJanus | and have everything streamlined |
| 20:08.05 | mofino | update-rc.d x start 30 2 3 4 5 . <- works |
| 20:08.26 | mofino | update-rc.d x stop 70 6 . <- fails with System startup links for /etc/init.d/x already exist. |
| 20:08.27 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: if you use proprietary drivers like nvidia, that's not an option |
| 20:08.31 | mofino | makes no sense. |
| 20:08.38 | \amethyst | I mean, you have at least one module that has to be a module |
| 20:09.04 | richardus | have there been no updates for lenny in the past day or is my system broken :( |
| 20:09.10 | AlfadorJanus | usually nvidia and alsa are my only modules, and this is the first time i've had problems installing them |
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| 20:09.16 | richardus | past few days* |
| 20:09.27 | abrotman | richardus: it happens .. not a big deal |
| 20:09.34 | abrotman | !inout |
| 20:09.34 | dpkg | To see which packages are going in/out of testing today: http://release.debian.org/migration/accepted.html To see why a package is not in testing "/msg dpkg why is <foo> not in testing" or go to http://release.debian.org/migration/ For packages coming into unstable use http://incoming.debian.org/ |
| 20:09.49 | richardus | abrotman: thanks |
| 20:09.52 | Pavlz | when i don't use for it sends a msg : i am not available for a little time |
| 20:10.20 | Nyle | Pavlz, it has auto away options I think |
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| 20:10.34 | Nyle | Pavlz, you can set it to not set you away at all, ever, I think |
| 20:10.54 | Nyle | (I use Kopete anyway) |
| 20:10.58 | Pavlz | then when i turn to chat the msg quit itself why ? this msg ? and there is not a way to disable from gaim ? |
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| 20:11.14 | abrotman | Pavlz: turn off auto-away |
| 20:11.23 | abrotman | !it |
| 20:11.24 | dpkg | well, #debian-it is Ciao! Utilizzi prego #debian-it per aiuto Italiano-orientato. Italian Speakers: Please use #debian-it, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:11.26 | Pavlz | i know kvirc, kopete i never known |
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| 20:11.43 | Nyle | abrotman, I think its useless :( |
| 20:11.47 | abrotman | he went last night |
| 20:11.51 | Nyle | he aint goin' nowhere |
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| 20:11.52 | Nyle | oh he did |
| 20:11.54 | Nyle | huh. |
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| 20:13.55 | Nyle | eats a green skittle |
| 20:14.19 | Nyle | !popcon |
| 20:14.20 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 20:14.34 | Nyle | I think I like red skittles more |
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| 20:14.50 | Nyle | strawberry is nice, I love it, but not the fruit, only the taste/flavour |
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| 20:15.22 | greeg | the repos dont have torbutton-extention. |
| 20:15.26 | greeg | whats up with that. |
| 20:15.35 | Nyle | greeg, is that for iceweasel or something? |
| 20:15.45 | Nyle | what is a torrbutton extension? |
| 20:15.51 | greeg | well firefox |
| 20:15.55 | Nyle | same thing |
| 20:16.03 | greeg | it's a button that allows you to surf anonymously via the tor network. |
| 20:16.06 | Nyle | greeg, so why don't you just install it from addons.mozilla.org |
| 20:16.07 | stew | greeg: has an RFP been filed? |
| 20:16.34 | greeg | stew: whats an RFP ? |
| 20:16.39 | Nyle | request for package |
| 20:16.51 | Nyle | you can file it and if someone feels like it they will package it |
| 20:16.52 | greeg | well apt-cache search just recalls nothing |
| 20:16.59 | stew | greeg: an official expression of interest in a not yet existant package: /msg dpkg rfp ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
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| 20:17.58 | Laptop | hi all! who is master sql for Linux ? |
| 20:18.04 | kakaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.08 | Gillpy | !dpkg eat |
| 20:18.08 | dpkg | eats gillpy's ass! |
| 20:18.08 | Nyle | Laptop, #mysql |
| 20:18.13 | Nyle | Laptop, #mssql |
| 20:18.20 | Nyle | Laptop, do you have a debian related question? |
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| 20:18.51 | Gillpy | !freeze |
| 20:18.52 | dpkg | it has been said that freeze is when we put the testing version of debian into 'freeze' for a few months or so (no new package uploads unless to fix critical bugs - i.e. we try to 'stabilize' the unstable release), when it comes out of freeze that version is considered 'stable' |
| 20:19.00 | Nyle | Gillpy, /msg the bot |
| 20:19.09 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 20:19.09 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 20:19.28 | Nyle | !tell Gillpy -about dpkg.web.search |
| 20:20.31 | Nyle | Laptop, I missed your question regarding ps3 |
| 20:20.41 | Nyle | Laptop, its not official, but it is available, via debian live for ps3 |
| 20:20.43 | Nyle | !ps3 |
| 20:20.44 | dpkg | rumour has it, ps3 is a video game console. The ps3 is known for having the blu-ray drive,having storage capacities of upto 50gb, with companies currently developing 200gb discs. It utilizes the cell processor,made up of 8 ppc64 based spu's. debian live for ps3 is at http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Live -- you can easily try and install Debian GNU/Linux on PS3 with this single CD, or #PS3Linux |
| 20:21.02 | Nyle | Laptop, ^^ |
| 20:22.26 | abrotman | cute |
| 20:22.37 | abrotman | sql? ps3 ? |
| 20:22.45 | Nyle | not related |
| 20:22.49 | abrotman | wrong person |
| 20:22.58 | abrotman | Laptop: there is a #sql |
| 20:23.00 | Nyle | yes I just caught that |
| 20:23.01 | abrotman | kakaka: see above |
| 20:23.14 | Nyle | thanks |
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| 20:24.09 | Pavlz | to install a software is not this the command line : apt-get install kvirc_3.2.0-1_i386.deb |
| 20:24.16 | Nyle | Pavlz, no |
| 20:24.24 | Nyle | Pavlz, you use package name, not package file name |
| 20:24.25 | Laptop | Nyle, yes mysql, how I cen create batadase is console? write - :/# CREATE DATABASE but bash print command not found |
| 20:24.27 | Laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.39 | abrotman | Laptop: ask #mysql |
| 20:24.39 | Nyle | Pavlz, dpkg -i kvirc_3.2.0-1_i386.deb |
| 20:24.47 | Nyle | Pavlz, or apt-get install kvirc |
| 20:24.48 | abrotman | uh .. aptitude install kvirc ? |
| 20:24.53 | Nyle | or aptitude |
| 20:24.54 | hobophobe | abrotman, Wyzard, Apparently some recent package change to Sid caused gnome-volume-manager not to work with 2.6.23 kernel. I upgraded my kernel to 2.6.25 and now it works fine. Thanks again for your help guys. |
| 20:25.03 | abrotman | hobophobe: yay! |
| 20:25.18 | kakaka | abrotman ps3 |
| 20:25.25 | Nyle | kakaka, /msg dpkg ps3 |
| 20:25.33 | Pavlz | i used apt-get install |
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| 20:25.44 | Nyle | Pavlz, thats fine, apt-get install kvirc |
| 20:25.59 | Nyle | Pavlz, also you do not need to download the .deb file |
| 20:26.15 | kakaka | <Nyle> meaning? (newbie) :) |
| 20:26.30 | Nyle | kakaka, /msg == send message to someone on irc |
| 20:26.35 | Nyle | kakaka, dpkg == the irc bot nickname |
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| 20:26.42 | Nyle | kakaka, ps3 is the name of the fatoid |
| 20:26.47 | Nyle | ... |
| 20:27.16 | kakaka | <Nyle> fatoid...some help? |
| 20:27.22 | Nyle | !ps3 |
| 20:27.22 | dpkg | hmm... ps3 is a video game console. The ps3 is known for having the blu-ray drive,having storage capacities of upto 50gb, with companies currently developing 200gb discs. It utilizes the cell processor,made up of 8 ppc64 based spu's. debian live for ps3 is at http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Live -- you can easily try and install Debian GNU/Linux on PS3 with this single CD, or #PS3Linux |
| 20:27.32 | Nyle | kakaka, http://www.keshi.org/moin/PS3/Debian/Live |
| 20:27.51 | Nyle | s/fatoid/factoid |
| 20:27.52 | Nyle | !factoid |
| 20:27.52 | dpkg | hmm... factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
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| 20:28.49 | kakaka | <Nyle> thx your the man |
| 20:28.53 | Nyle | sure |
| 20:29.25 | buntfalke | hi |
| 20:29.26 | buntfalke | does anyone know a game where you have to programm robots in order to win? like robotour or realtimebattle? |
| 20:29.44 | Nyle | buntfalke, #debian-games on here and/or irc.oftc.net |
| 20:29.52 | Nyle | buntfalke, or try ##linux |
| 20:30.05 | Pavlz | i did too apt-get install kvirc was impossible to complete, problems libraries |
| 20:30.30 | Nyle | Pavlz, please go to #debian-it and ask there... or pastebin your exact output log |
| 20:30.34 | Nyle | console output( |
| 20:30.46 | Nyle | blah keyboard sucks ballsacks, big fat hairy ballsacks |
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| 20:31.16 | AlfadorJanus | \amethyst: just to let you know, i found the 173.14.09 driver package, and it installed fine. :) |
| 20:31.26 | Nyle | AlfadorJanus, yay |
| 20:31.39 | kakaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.49 | Nyle | kakaka, I do not know |
| 20:32.00 | Nyle | kakaka, ps3 is not an officially supported architecture by the debian project |
| 20:32.08 | Nyle | cell cpus or what not |
| 20:32.13 | Nyle | though it is ppc based, I'm still not sure |
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| 20:32.53 | Nyle | kakaka, ask inside the #PS3Linux |
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| 20:34.06 | Nyle | np: Children Of Bodom - Hate Crew Deathroll - Needled 24/7 |
| 20:34.08 | Nyle | oh |
| 20:34.11 | Nyle | whoops! sorry |
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| 20:34.54 | kakaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:35.01 | Nyle | I've no idea bro |
| 20:35.15 | valdyn | !fgi kakaka ps3 linux |
| 20:35.16 | dpkg | kakaka: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ps3 linux |
| 20:35.23 | valdyn | !fgi kakaka ps3+linux |
| 20:35.23 | dpkg | kakaka: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=ps3+linux |
| 20:36.38 | Pavlz | anyone of you desire the t-shirts of fsf.org, take contact with ninuxpdb@gmail.com order 10 t-shirts prix 15 euro each one |
| 20:37.02 | valdyn | Pavlz: stop spamming |
| 20:37.20 | Pavlz | is not spamming, but an information |
| 20:37.40 | \amethyst | why would we contact some gmail account instead of fsf.org ? |
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| 20:37.57 | valdyn | Pavlz: its spamming, ops will kick ban you for this |
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| 20:39.33 | \amethyst | non-empty |
| 20:39.35 | \amethyst | doh |
| 20:39.39 | Nyle | I don't own a ps3, my younger brother does, and my only play sonic on it |
| 20:40.13 | Pavlz | i turn back later till middle hour, i go to take one ice cream, and all of you are not invited :-) |
| 20:40.14 | Nyle | s/my/we |
| 20:40.22 | Nyle | Pavlz, heh |
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| 20:40.49 | Nyle | Pavlz, still, advertising is not liked |
| 20:40.50 | twobitwork | does anyone know how usable the KDE4.1 beta is in experimental? |
| 20:40.56 | Nyle | Pavlz, try #debian-offtopic |
| 20:41.07 | Nyle | twobitwork, buggy as fuck |
| 20:41.14 | twobitwork | Nyle: that's a shame |
| 20:41.18 | Nyle | it is |
| 20:41.28 | Nyle | we're not too worried about kde4 at this time |
| 20:41.33 | Nyle | twobitwork, #debian-kde |
| 20:41.34 | twobitwork | "we"? |
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| 20:41.43 | Nyle | no I, but we. |
| 20:42.25 | AlfadorJanus | ugg. Now i'm trying to compile wine from source, but i don't have the X developmental packages. Anyone know the name of the X developmental libraries so i can install them? |
| 20:42.29 | twobitwork | you mean, Debain in general? |
| 20:42.35 | Nyle | twobitwork, thats right |
| 20:42.49 | Nyle | twobitwork, I mean specifically the debian kde team |
| 20:42.59 | newbie | hi |
| 20:43.09 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: apt-get build-dep wine |
| 20:43.11 | twobitwork | ohh... mostly just waiting for things to stabalize/mature/etc? |
| 20:43.12 | newbie | im having trouble when installing cairo-dock |
| 20:43.20 | Nyle | twobitwork, that is correct |
| 20:43.27 | newbie | it lacks some packages i think |
| 20:43.31 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: that will give you everything that the debian wine package needs for building |
| 20:43.36 | Nyle | twobitwork, main goal is to stablize lenny |
| 20:43.39 | greeg | !firefox 3 etch |
| 20:43.39 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 20:43.41 | newbie | how can i download them at once? |
| 20:43.47 | Nyle | freeze asap and get on with the life |
| 20:43.49 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:43.50 | twobitwork | Nyle: ahh... are we coming up on a release or something? |
| 20:43.55 | greeg | is firefox 3 safe on etch ? |
| 20:43.57 | Nyle | twobitwork, thas right |
| 20:44.03 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: I guess you need a newer version of wine than is in debian? |
| 20:44.09 | twobitwork | wow... seems like we just had a release |
| 20:44.20 | AlfadorJanus | \amethyst: need to edit the source a little |
| 20:44.21 | Nyle | twobitwork, yes, its nice isn't it |
| 20:44.21 | Nyle | :) |
| 20:44.25 | twobitwork | indeed |
| 20:44.28 | AlfadorJanus | for a few bug fixes for certain things |
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| 20:44.51 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: apt-get source wine will download the source package and unpack it under the current directory |
| 20:45.02 | Nyle | newbie, try your entire question on one line |
| 20:45.04 | valdyn | twobitwork: uh? we just had a release? |
| 20:45.14 | valdyn | realistically at least 3 months id say |
| 20:45.14 | twobitwork | valdyn: when was etch released? |
| 20:45.16 | Nyle | I think he said it seems like we just had one |
| 20:45.19 | AlfadorJanus | i need to read up on the debian package system, i'm quite lost :/ |
| 20:45.22 | Nyle | "seems" |
| 20:45.24 | newbie | Nyle: ok |
| 20:45.24 | valdyn | more likely more |
| 20:45.42 | valdyn | !etch |
| 20:45.43 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. |
| 20:45.46 | twobitwork | valdyn: well... in relative terms, 3 months is pretty quick |
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| 20:45.59 | Nyle | 1.5 years ~ish |
| 20:46.00 | Nyle | isnt' bad |
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| 20:46.03 | Nyle | compared to fucking sarge |
| 20:46.07 | valdyn | twobitwork: but it could be a year |
| 20:46.09 | Nyle | good lord that took a fucking while. |
| 20:46.10 | valdyn | twobitwork: thats debian |
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| 20:46.29 | twobitwork | valdyn: well sure... just that Nyle was saying we were coming up on a release |
| 20:46.30 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: then you can make changes there, use dch to add a line to the changelog, and rebuild the package |
| 20:46.39 | newbie | im having some trouble when installing cairo-dock, it seems it lacks few packages and i want to know what packages i need to install cairo-dock and how to install all of them at once without having more trouble |
| 20:46.43 | Nyle | twobitwork, not like right this minute ;) |
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| 20:46.50 | Nyle | twobitwork, couple of months perhaps, its in the process |
| 20:46.51 | \amethyst | !nmg |
| 20:46.52 | dpkg | well, nmg is Debian New Maintainers' Guide, Debian Policy Manual and Debian Developer's Reference are the documents you need to read, in that order, to make packages for the Debian project. http://www.debian.org/devel/ or ask me about <package basics>, <mentors> and <mg> |
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| 20:47.08 | twobitwork | Nyle: well, of course not... but to even consider approaching release this soon is awesome :) |
| 20:47.15 | Nyle | yes |
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| 20:47.24 | Nyle | we're around 260ish rc bugs last I checked |
| 20:47.31 | \amethyst | AlfadorJanus: that stuff has information about making packages, though some of it focuses on building new packages instead of modifying existing ones |
| 20:47.42 | Nyle | !rc bugs |
| 20:47.42 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 20:47.55 | twobitwork | Nyle: wow... I might have to look at the bug list and see if I can help prod things along |
| 20:48.05 | Nyle | twobitwork, that would be fantastic, thank you. |
| 20:48.12 | Nyle | twobitwork, irc.oftc.net #debian-bugs |
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| 20:48.51 | twobitwork | Nyle: cool, thanks |
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| 20:48.59 | twobitwork | I'll keep that in mind as a resource |
| 20:49.06 | Nyle | sure |
| 20:49.37 | greeg | ! gtk |
| 20:49.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gtk is GTK+ (Gimp Tool Kit), a graphical toolkit, currently at version 2. Version 1 is still used and in Debian as libgtk1.2. Versions 1 and 2 are not compatible and totally separate. |
| 20:49.51 | twobitwork | greeg: you can /msg dpkg |
| 20:49.54 | Nyle | greeg, use /msg dpkg keyword |
| 20:49.55 | mordy | what a gimp |
| 20:50.06 | greeg | oh ok |
| 20:50.07 | twobitwork | mordy: eh? |
| 20:50.13 | mordy | hehe |
| 20:50.18 | Nyle | !tell greeg -about dpkg.web.search |
| 20:50.24 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 20:50.26 | kibibyte | anyone heard about some to tool to file versiong A.D.A.M its gpl but i fogot weboste it was something like "advanced directory .." |
| 20:50.30 | Nyle | everyone should know if they don't |
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| 20:50.33 | Nyle | !dpkg.web.search |
| 20:50.34 | dpkg | dpkg.web.search is probably A Frontend to the dpkg irc bot and the factoids database at @ http://dpkg.vireo.org |
| 20:51.31 | twobitwork | kibibyte: could you please restate that in clearer terms :) |
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| 20:51.38 | mordy | hehe, i'm here to finally help. i think all my computer ills have been relieved for now. now the ionly thing i need is a roof over my head in two months |
| 20:51.46 | sharp15 | where are the gdm controls kept in the menus? |
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| 20:51.58 | sharp15 | i'm using gnom. |
| 20:52.01 | sharp15 | *gnome |
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| 20:52.03 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:52.08 | Nyle | not sure, try gnome-control-center |
| 20:52.11 | Nyle | login manager maybe? |
| 20:52.22 | mordy | yeah, login |
| 20:52.23 | kibibyte | this software is some kinf of file versiong i saw website and i rember that shortcut for this was ADAM and its gpl |
| 20:52.26 | mordy | sharp - "login window" |
| 20:52.29 | Nyle | (its been years since I used gnome) |
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| 20:52.40 | Nyle | KDE ftw! motha fucka! yea! |
| 20:52.41 | Nyle | heh |
| 20:52.49 | mordy | i use KDE |
| 20:52.53 | kibibyte | xfce rulez |
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| 20:53.08 | kibibyte | kde is crap |
| 20:53.08 | deadcat | if i want some info on how to setup WPA on debian, what should i look? i've been using WEP all my life. |
| 20:53.10 | mordy | meh, i'm just used to the win32 interface |
| 20:53.15 | sharp15 | thank you. |
| 20:53.21 | sharp15 | or not. |
| 20:53.32 | sharp15 | that brought up kdm's controls. |
| 20:53.32 | deadcat | i have wpasupplicant installed. just dont know what to config |
| 20:53.42 | Nyle | impossible |
| 20:53.45 | twobitwork | kibibyte: I think ADAM is a windows vista thing, but I'm not sure |
| 20:53.48 | mordy | deadcat - look up wpa_supplicant and the like. if you're only using WPA-PSK, then you don't need anything special, just add wpa-* options in your /interfaces |
| 20:53.54 | Nyle | gnome-control-center cannot possibley launch kcontrol |
| 20:53.57 | Nyle | unless you made it so |
| 20:53.57 | kibibyte | twobitwork, there is ADAM gpl |
| 20:53.59 | mordy | !tell deadcat about wpa |
| 20:54.02 | deadcat | mordy: k. thanks |
| 20:54.11 | Nyle | hey its deadcat |
| 20:54.17 | Nyle | whats up man long fucking time nos ee |
| 20:54.20 | sharp15 | Nyle: no the "login manager" menu entry. |
| 20:54.27 | kibibyte | twobitwork, but some idiot named it ADAM and you can find milions website with this keyword |
| 20:54.35 | Nyle | sharp15, I don't use gnome, try irc.gnome.org #gnome |
| 20:54.39 | Nyle | sharp15, or #debian-gnome |
| 20:54.45 | twobitwork | kibibyte: yeah, I see that now... I don't know anything about it |
| 20:54.56 | kibibyte | dumb & dumber |
| 20:55.00 | sharp15 | or just unistall gnome. |
| 20:55.03 | mordy | sharp - didn't find it? |
| 20:55.11 | twobitwork | kibibyte: ? |
| 20:55.11 | mordy | what do you want to do exactly? |
| 20:55.19 | Nyle | configure gdm |
| 20:55.23 | Nyle | I would assume ;) |
| 20:55.32 | mordy | what exactly does he want to configure in gdm? |
| 20:55.33 | azrix | hi all !! |
| 20:55.36 | kibibyte | twobitwork, dumb n dumber must called theit software ADAM |
| 20:55.39 | Nyle | he didn't say |
| 20:55.39 | sharp15 | mordy: the only "login manager" entry i found launched a kcontrol sub app. |
| 20:55.43 | kibibyte | now you cannot find it via google |
| 20:55.46 | twobitwork | kibibyte: ohh |
| 20:55.57 | mordy | let me fire up gnome... |
| 20:55.58 | Nyle | sharp15, you are using kde alongside gnome? |
| 20:56.09 | kibibyte | its like you made some application and call it JOHN |
| 20:56.25 | Nyle | sharp15, you seem to have both installed same time, otherwise login manager wouldn't start kcontrol kdm config |
| 20:56.31 | deadcat | Nyle: ya. havent done much to my system in a long while so i havent been active on the channel much |
| 20:56.37 | sharp15 | Nyle: both are installed. i couldn't figure out how to nuke one of the desktop managers w/out nuking gnome or kde altogether. |
| 20:56.45 | Nyle | deadcat, so what you been upto? no good as usual ;) |
| 20:57.02 | Nyle | sharp15, /msg dpkg remove gnome OR /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 20:57.13 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 20:57.14 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 20:57.27 | deadcat | Nyle: those MF'ers from openbox havent utilized the AIGLX stuff so i am kinna disappointed. |
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| 20:57.44 | sharp15 | Nyle: i know how to remove kde and or gnome, the problem was pulling out the desktop manager without apt trying to kill me. |
| 20:57.56 | deadcat | Nyle: i spent most of my times just running and taking photos. |
| 20:57.57 | Nyle | sharp15, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:57.57 | Nyle | ? |
| 20:58.06 | Nyle | sharp15, what exactly are you looking to do? |
| 20:58.11 | mordy | sharp, just type "gdmsetup" :D |
| 20:58.30 | Nyle | (I've always fucked gdm.conf) |
| 20:58.41 | Nyle | gnome has changed probably considerably since I used it last on sarge/testing |
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| 20:58.49 | sharp15 | mordy: "gdmsetup: command not found" |
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| 20:58.53 | Nyle | damn that was a long time ago |
| 20:58.56 | Nyle | !installit |
| 20:58.57 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 20:58.57 | pickcoder | hah... Crucial _is_ using UPS Mail Innovations to ship parcels |
| 20:59.01 | mordy | sharp - you're root? |
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| 20:59.14 | mordy | nyle, that should come with gdm |
| 20:59.15 | Nyle | !+info gdmsetup |
| 20:59.16 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 20:59.19 | Nyle | mordy, it should? |
| 20:59.22 | Nyle | hmm. |
| 20:59.24 | Nyle | I'll shut up ;) |
| 20:59.26 | mordy | yup |
| 20:59.26 | azrix | please how can I configure apache with php ? |
| 20:59.29 | sharp15 | mordy: using sudo. |
| 20:59.32 | deadcat | am i suppose to copy the wpa_supplicant.conf to /etc myself? and edit it? or just edit the /etc/network/interfaces file is good? |
| 20:59.37 | pickcoder | azrix: install the php module for apache |
| 20:59.41 | dpkg | Package 'gdmsetup' does not exist. |
| 20:59.43 | mordy | gah, just su root |
| 20:59.43 | Nyle | azrix, there is a LAMP installation guide on debian-administration.org |
| 20:59.55 | mordy | i never got the whole "sudo" thing - i just su root |
| 21:00.09 | sharp15 | still not found. |
| 21:00.09 | Nyle | azrix, install apach2, libapache2-mod-php5 php5 |
| 21:00.11 | Nyle | blah blah |
| 21:00.19 | th1 | mordy, sudo -i works as wel |
| 21:00.29 | Nyle | !lamp |
| 21:00.29 | dpkg | i guess lamp is Linux, Apache, MySQL, {PHP,Perl,Python} server (or see http://wiki.debian.org/LaMp) or maybe Linux Animation and Movie Player, at http://pauillac.inria.fr/lamp/ Ask me about <install debian><install apache2><install mysql><install php>. (Hmm... doesn't that make it a DAMP stack?) |
| 21:00.40 | mordy | sharp - just type "gdm" and twice tab and see what you get |
| 21:00.46 | th1 | mordy, the general idea is that you can let users have root permission without sharing a common password |
| 21:00.47 | eddieBB | i need some help running IceWeasel. whenever i open it. it closes immediately. can anyone help me out? |
| 21:01.03 | sharp15 | mordy: i get nothing. |
| 21:01.04 | mordy | yeah, but i'm the only user :D |
| 21:01.08 | Nyle | eddieBB, delete your ~/.mozilla or move it ~/.mozilla_backup |
| 21:01.20 | sharp15 | mordy: i mean nothing happens. |
| 21:01.24 | mordy | sharp - you should get at least one "gdm" entry |
| 21:01.25 | Nyle | eddieBB, it happens usually with old iceweasel2 settings |
| 21:01.38 | Nyle | eddieBB, wait, I'm sorry I thought you said you were doing iceweasel3 |
| 21:01.40 | mordy | sharp - find / -iname "*gdm*" |
| 21:01.40 | Nyle | I misread |
| 21:01.47 | th1 | mordy, that's why it's still possible to use su if you really have to ;) |
| 21:01.51 | eddieBB | Nyle: how do i delete that? sorry, i'm kind of a noob |
| 21:01.52 | greeg | i ran apt-get install libgtk1.2 and firefox still give me the error saying i only have gtk 2.8 |
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| 21:02.00 | greeg | the installation of libgtk1.2 went well |
| 21:02.09 | Nyle | eddieBB, try to launch iceweasel from console/xterm and see if it gives any output |
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| 21:02.23 | Nyle | probably a seg fault I'm guessing, or gtk bullshit errors (more than likely) |
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| 21:02.38 | kibibyte | greeg, install ubuntu ubuntu is for desktops |
| 21:02.39 | [sr] | hi people |
| 21:02.42 | Nyle | hi |
| 21:02.49 | Nyle | kibibyte, dont'. |
| 21:02.50 | th1 | mordy, but using sudo <command> as opposed to su - is generally safer unless you're doing heavy sysadm stuff, it makes you think before you hit enter - plus you have the time typing the password to realize your disastrous mistake and not do it after all ;) |
| 21:02.58 | [sr] | i have a strange behavior, my system just started to treat all IP's as localhost |
| 21:02.59 | azrix | after install the php module ? |
| 21:03.07 | Nyle | azrix, /msg dpkg lamp |
| 21:03.09 | kibibyte | Nyle, dont what |
| 21:03.19 | [sr] | for example, i have squid on the machine, and in the access_log there always localhost as the accessing Ip |
| 21:03.22 | greeg | kibibyte: ubuntu sucks. |
| 21:03.24 | greeg | i ran apt-get install libgtk1.2 and firefox still give me the error saying i only have gtk 2.8 |
| 21:03.33 | mordy | th1 - indeed. i guess i'm too lazy to set up sudoers. i tried it once, but it says i'm not int eh "sudoers" group - i guess i'll need to do user administration next |
| 21:03.34 | th1 | [sr], did you edit /etc/hosts or something? |
| 21:03.46 | [sr] | th1 that's the problem, havent done nothing!! |
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| 21:03.47 | kibibyte | debian is for servers its nonsense to spend weeks configuring stupid thiings like suspend computer when you close lid |
| 21:03.48 | sharp15 | i'll just pull gnome from my system. it would be much simpler and i know how to configure kdm. |
| 21:03.51 | mordy | i just managed to get all my stuff working after two weeks |
| 21:03.53 | Nyle | adduser user sudoers? |
| 21:03.56 | Nyle | heh... |
| 21:04.08 | Nyle | weeks? |
| 21:04.14 | mordy | yeah |
| 21:04.16 | andre_pl | I've updated to python 2.5 on my etch box, however, ipython still runs python 2.4.4, i'm not sure how I can upgrde it, can anyone help? |
| 21:04.16 | Nyle | dude, a fresh debian install takes less than half hour |
| 21:04.21 | Nyle | to completely configure the way I want |
| 21:04.23 | eddieBB | Nyle: Cairo does not yes support the requested image formate. that's what it tells me. |
| 21:04.26 | kibibyte | and ubuntu is debian based wit all that stuff that just works |
| 21:04.26 | [sr] | th1 all hosts has is: 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 21:04.26 | [sr] | 192.168.1.1 cisne |
| 21:04.26 | th1 | mordy, all you need is "adduser mordy sudoers" or edit /etc/sudoers and add a lne "mordy ALL=(ALL) all" |
| 21:04.32 | Nyle | good lord... stop with the bandwagon hype |
| 21:04.33 | n3kl | Nyle: I have had debian installed in like 10 mins once |
| 21:04.35 | greeg | kibibyte: well if the stuff dont werk on Debian in the first place, why does dpkg propose it ? |
| 21:04.36 | Nyle | debian is a piece of cake. |
| 21:04.39 | *** part/#debian CoonShootin (n=billybob@70.238.63.87) |
| 21:04.43 | mordy | nyle - not if you're a newbie like me - and i have a lot of problematic hardware |
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| 21:04.55 | rwaite | mordy: get better hardware |
| 21:05.00 | Nyle | mordy, and read! |
| 21:05.01 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:05.02 | n3kl | mordy: so get better hardware |
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| 21:05.05 | mordy | rwaite, when you pay for my next laptop |
| 21:05.05 | th1 | [sr], did you add a new nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 21:05.13 | th1 | [sr], maybe your nameserver is resolving anything to localhost |
| 21:05.14 | mordy | hehe, i only have laptops |
| 21:05.17 | rwaite | and trust me, nothing is worse than starting as a newbie with redhat7 |
| 21:05.32 | rwaite | mordy: when you stop coming here complaining about your shitty hardware |
| 21:05.35 | [sr] | th1 hum.. dumb me, let me check!! |
| 21:05.37 | kibibyte | Nyle, i used debian and installation took me 30 min so what if after install i spend 3 weeks to configure suspend, 1280x800 resolution, alsa for my sound card etc etc |
| 21:05.43 | th1 | [sr], try typing e.g. host 80.199.102.117 |
| 21:05.48 | th1 | if it gives "localhost" then there's your problem :) |
| 21:05.49 | Nyle | 3 weeks? |
| 21:05.57 | eddieBB | Nyle: how would i delete the mozilla like you suggested? |
| 21:05.57 | Nyle | debian is a universal OS |
| 21:05.57 | mordy | hehe rwaite |
| 21:06.00 | Nyle | its not a server only OS |
| 21:06.00 | greeg | am i supposed to reboot to have the system recognize the new gtk ? |
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| 21:06.12 | th1 | greeg, no |
| 21:06.19 | Nyle | eddieBB, you probably shouldn't unless you are trying to use iceweasel3 |
| 21:06.29 | rwaite | doesnt run linux on his laptop because it sucks, he knows it, and doesnt try to shove something in it that wont work |
| 21:06.44 | Nyle | eddieBB, if you've always been using iceweasel2 you're ok, you need to launch it from a console to see any output |
| 21:06.47 | kibibyte | and debian is very stable so itsr software is outdated as they have policy to check everything very carefull its good for servers but for desktops why |
| 21:06.48 | th1 | greeg, if you installed it from apt, it should be recognized automatically, if you installed it from source you might need to do "sudo ldconfig" |
| 21:06.54 | eddieBB | Nyle: Mozilla doesn't work anyway. |
| 21:07.04 | rwaite | kibibyte: what are you smoking? |
| 21:07.08 | th1 | kibibyte, you can always opt for the testing or unstable versions |
| 21:07.09 | Nyle | eddieBB, if you are unable to follow directions I am unable to help you |
| 21:07.10 | eddieBB | Nyle: i've never got any browser to stay open more than a split second |
| 21:07.11 | mordy | rwaite - yeah, but i only have laptops, and it's not worthwhile getting desktop for me since i don't know where i'm ever goign to be - i'm not 'stationary' |
| 21:07.22 | picknick | (azrix: no configurations needed: http://www.apachefriends.org/en/xampp-linux.html ) |
| 21:07.30 | rwaite | mordy: then next time you purchase a laptop check the specs first ;) |
| 21:07.34 | n3kl | Nyle: I thought you had to go to the hospital |
| 21:07.37 | rwaite | until then have fun! |
| 21:07.37 | Nyle | I did |
| 21:07.40 | Nyle | I came back |
| 21:07.40 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.46 | Nyle | I had to go pick up my Rx |
| 21:07.49 | eddieBB | Nyle: okay. what's the directions? |
| 21:07.52 | n3kl | Nyle: everyhing cool then? |
| 21:07.53 | Nyle | the hospital pharmacy had it |
| 21:07.57 | kibibyte | the truth is that ubuntu recognized all my hardware in new inspiron 1521 notebook |
| 21:07.58 | Nyle | yes, thank you for asking :) |
| 21:07.59 | n3kl | Nyle: oh |
| 21:08.04 | kibibyte | and denian recognize 50% |
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| 21:08.09 | th1 | kibibyte, there's also backports, that helps a lot and lets you selectively install certain newer packages.. |
| 21:08.10 | kibibyte | debian |
| 21:08.17 | mordy | hehe, i always check the specs. but i never considered running linux last time i was able to check specs |
| 21:08.17 | n3kl | Nyle: good |
| 21:08.19 | Nyle | kibibyte, thats fantastic. Do you have a debian support related question? |
| 21:08.25 | mordy | (which was in 2005) |
| 21:08.26 | Laptop | help please search driver on video GeForce 8400M GS on Debian |
| 21:08.34 | kibibyte | and other 50% i hd to search forums,websites irc etc 3 weeks |
| 21:08.35 | valdyn | !nvidia |
| 21:08.35 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. or If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>, or nvidia.com drivers are not supported in #debian so please go to #nvidia. |
| 21:08.37 | kibibyte | waiste of time |
| 21:08.40 | Nyle | Laptop, use nv if you don't need 3d accel |
| 21:08.47 | th1 | Laptop, install the drivers from nvidia's website. |
| 21:08.53 | valdyn | th1: NO |
| 21:08.54 | Nyle | th1, no. |
| 21:08.57 | th1 | lol |
| 21:09.05 | th1 | bad answer? ;) that's what I usually do |
| 21:09.06 | valdyn | Laptop: running which debian release? |
| 21:09.07 | [sr] | th1 ei very stupid this, i remember that i changed ISP (i have this problem for about 6 months), and changed the NS's to the ISP one's, and it's the ISP NS that is giving "localhost" for local IP's |
| 21:09.14 | n3kl | th1: yes, bad answer |
| 21:09.31 | th1 | apologies.. /revision don't install the drivers from nvidia's website ;) |
| 21:09.36 | Laptop | Nyle, I use beryl.... need drivers |
| 21:09.45 | n3kl | Laptop: thats a bunk chip I think. Wasn't there a recall on those or something? |
| 21:09.50 | th1 | [sr], ok then "aptitude install bind9" and change /etc/resolv.conf to use 127.0.0.1 as resolver |
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| 21:10.17 | serkan`c | hello |
| 21:10.20 | [sr] | th1 ya, i have to do a trick here since i have a public and dnsmasq on the same machine ;) |
| 21:10.36 | mordy | although my favorite laptop is still my oldest one - a compaq branded x6000 with a pentium 630 (3.0Ghz, 64-bit), 1.5G RAM, nice HDD, dedicated graphics, wonderful speakers - the only drawback is that it makes so much noise and heat |
| 21:10.36 | th1 | [sr], if you install bind you won't need dnsmasq |
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| 21:10.42 | n3kl | !tell Laptop about nvidia |
| 21:10.44 | serkan`c | where does apt-get read package database? |
| 21:10.48 | mordy | and i got that in 2005 for $1700 |
| 21:10.52 | th1 | [sr], then your masqueraded hosts can just use the main machine |
| 21:10.55 | [sr] | th1 i want, to use dnsmasq features that bind doesn't have |
| 21:11.02 | th1 | [sr], like? |
| 21:11.04 | Nyle | valdyn, just now |
| 21:11.08 | Nyle | !nvidia.com |
| 21:11.08 | n3kl | serkan`c: souces.lst? |
| 21:11.08 | dpkg | nvidia.com is probably *** NVIDIA.com BINARY drivers ARE NOT supported in #debian. *** Please go to #nvidia. To get #debian to support nvidia, /msg dpkg nvidia - /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner - /msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch |
| 21:11.24 | serkan`c | n30: not repo info, package db |
| 21:11.24 | [sr] | th1, alias, refining the NS for NT domain lookup hosts |
| 21:11.26 | [sr] | etc etc |
| 21:11.30 | Nyle | betterify the factoid if ya'll want |
| 21:11.32 | serkan`c | ops sorry i meant n3kl |
| 21:11.32 | kibibyte | valdyn, in case of stability : i tried to use just "stable" software from debian , but i wanted sound so i needed to dowload "unsatble" packages, after my debian was very "unstable" in comparison to "unstable" ubuntu |
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| 21:11.47 | deadcat | anyone using WPA or WPA2 and want to give me some tips on where to config? /etc/network/interfaces or /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf (which is not in /etc) |
| 21:11.48 | n3kl | serkan`c: /var/cache/apt |
| 21:11.50 | valdyn | kibibyte: no you didnt need to download unstable software |
| 21:11.56 | Nyle | deadcat, ##wireless |
| 21:11.58 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:12.00 | deadcat | k |
| 21:12.01 | serkan`c | *.bin files? n3kl |
| 21:12.03 | Nyle | all your linux wifi needs |
| 21:12.05 | mordy | deadcat - what kind of WPA are you using? |
| 21:12.11 | n3kl | deadcat: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant ? |
| 21:12.12 | kibibyte | valdyn, oh yeah so how would you force new sound card to work? |
| 21:12.12 | mordy | hehe |
| 21:12.14 | PeterFA | Is there a reason why the Open-Xchange debians aren't in the Lenny repositories? The respective company does have a repository that you can just add and suddenly, it's all there, but I wonder if there's a reason that the repository maintainers don't want to add that repository other than the OX company already has one. |
| 21:12.22 | n3kl | serkan`c: the downloaded packages? |
| 21:12.23 | th1 | [sr], ok, then you can make your bind9 bind to the external interface and dnsmasq to the internal and forward to the bind.. although it seems a bit silly and it can be set up in a better way by using dymanic zones |
| 21:12.27 | deadcat | mordy: jeez. how many kinds are there (+ |
| 21:12.28 | valdyn | kibibyte: you install a newer kernel from backports.org |
| 21:12.30 | deadcat | (= |
| 21:12.40 | kibibyte | valdyn, you mean unstable kernel? |
| 21:12.41 | kibibyte | haha |
| 21:12.42 | mordy | deadcat - what does your router tell you? |
| 21:12.44 | valdyn | kibibyte: no |
| 21:12.46 | sharp15 | can i have apt list out the manually installed packages? |
| 21:12.53 | [sr] | th1 yes, i'll deal with it binding bind to localhost of a virtual iface |
| 21:12.53 | Nyle | sharp15, aptitude |
| 21:12.56 | Nyle | !installed |
| 21:12.57 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 21:12.57 | th1 | sharp15, dpkg --show-selections |
| 21:12.59 | Laptop | n3kl, not find driver on notebook, video - GeForce 8400M GS |
| 21:12.59 | serkan`c | no n3kl i am not asking this, you update your repo ok, after that you search a package, where does apt-get look for the package info? |
| 21:13.00 | PeterFA | I have a bad aptitude. |
| 21:13.05 | valdyn | kibibyte: not an unstable kernel, but a kernel from backports.org ( not sure whats hard to understand about that ) |
| 21:13.09 | [sr] | th1 thanks for the resolv.conf tip :P |
| 21:13.29 | deadcat | mordy: oh. will have to check with my friend for that.. i use wep at home because i have some really old cards that doesnt support wpa |
| 21:13.30 | Nyle | PeterFA, for? |
| 21:13.41 | kibibyte | valdyn, i heard but i needed new alsa as well |
| 21:13.49 | mordy | deadcat -wep sucks ;) |
| 21:13.49 | n3kl | serkan`c: somewhere in /var/cache/apt I immagine. Did you do apt-get update after you changed your source list? |
| 21:13.51 | valdyn | kibibyte: alsa is part of the kernel |
| 21:13.57 | PeterFA | Nyle, that's just a silly pun. Ignore it. |
| 21:13.58 | th1 | sharp15, Sorry, it's dpkg --get-selections |
| 21:13.59 | mordy | but you probably knew that |
| 21:14.04 | Nyle | PeterFA, oh :) |
| 21:14.05 | hendrik123 | does anyone know a good export tool voor qmail /vpopmail/domains to google mail :) |
| 21:14.18 | n3kl | Laptop: what I sent you was for the nvidia video driver. Nyle also gave you a usefull tip |
| 21:14.26 | serkan`c | n3kl: i dont have any problem right here :), i just want to know where apt-get reads the info for packages |
| 21:14.32 | kibibyte | valdyn, once i tried backports i my system doidnt up at all so come on |
| 21:14.38 | Laptop | whoo is russian people? :) |
| 21:14.38 | n3kl | deadcat: read the docs. Everything you want/need to know about it is in there |
| 21:14.45 | serkan`c | i think there must be a db file or something like that |
| 21:14.45 | Nyle | Laptop, from Russia |
| 21:14.49 | th1 | serkan`c, it reads it from the apt-cache |
| 21:14.55 | Nyle | !ru |
| 21:14.56 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 21:15.01 | serkan`c | isnt there any file th1? |
| 21:15.03 | valdyn | kibibyte: bugs happen, on any system. |
| 21:15.12 | Nyle | programmer oversights |
| 21:15.13 | th1 | serkan`c, not one single file, no |
| 21:15.17 | Nyle | mostly |
| 21:15.17 | deadcat | n3kl: k |
| 21:15.20 | n3kl | serkan`c: I told you where I thought you should look |
| 21:15.35 | serkan`c | ok what is the mechanism? i can read if there is a howto th1 |
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| 21:15.37 | dustybin | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-10sysadtips/?ca=dgr-lnxw07Linux10Tricks&S_TACT=105AGX59&S_CMP=GR |
| 21:15.38 | th1 | serkan`c, you can look in /var/cache/apt |
| 21:15.40 | dustybin | that is a cool link |
| 21:15.42 | sharp15 | th1: not quite what i meant. i meant the packages i explicitly installed. |
| 21:15.50 | serkan`c | n3kl: i've already looked there |
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| 21:16.01 | Laptop | by all! all senxx |
| 21:16.01 | serkan`c | archives pkgcache.bin srcpkgcache.bin |
| 21:16.06 | Nyle | sharp15, you mean manually thorugh dpkg not apt? |
| 21:16.12 | yetifoot | does anyone have much trouble with iceweasel in testing? when i go to certain pages it either kills X, or takes down my whole machine, here's an example URL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:New_anti-Semitism/archive_15 |
| 21:16.12 | serkan`c | so archives the directory of the packages |
| 21:16.13 | picknick | sharp15: dpkg -l ? |
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| 21:16.32 | serkan`c | is it pkgcache.bin? |
| 21:16.35 | th1 | sharp15, ok then I don't think there is one other than /var/log/aptitude if you use that |
| 21:16.37 | kibibyte | valdyn, look what yetifoot wrote lol |
| 21:16.49 | sharp15 | Nyle: i mean packages i did "apt-get install <name>" to get. |
| 21:16.52 | eddieBB | Nyle: how do i follow directions if you give me none? |
| 21:16.53 | Nyle | yetifoot, yes |
| 21:16.54 | valdyn | yetifoot: fuck off |
| 21:16.57 | th1 | sharp15, but if you diff the output of --get-selections with the one from a clean box you'll get your packages |
| 21:16.58 | Nyle | valdyn, ? |
| 21:17.01 | yetifoot | valdyn, ? |
| 21:17.02 | hendrik123 | does anyone know a good migration tool for qmail /vpopmail/domains to google mail :) |
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| 21:17.15 | sharp15 | th1: i don't have a "clean" box. |
| 21:17.15 | Nyle | valdyn, the subject of his link is not important |
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| 21:17.23 | valdyn | Nyle: hopefully |
| 21:17.26 | th1 | sharp15, you can also pipe get-selections output to a new box to replicate it, if that's why you want it |
| 21:17.26 | Nyle | valdyn, don't give it attention or he will seek it |
| 21:17.27 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:17.42 | yetifoot | sorry, did i just stumple into something, i wasn't trying to be an ass, that's the actual URL that's killing my machine |
| 21:17.44 | Nyle | yetifoot, check the debian bug tracker |
| 21:17.51 | th1 | like this: on old box, "dpkg --get-selections | ssh newbox dpkg --set-selections" |
| 21:17.52 | Nyle | iceweasel3 is alightly buggy in testing atm |
| 21:17.56 | Nyle | yetifoot, ^ |
| 21:18.10 | abrotman | !debian clone |
| 21:18.10 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". you may want to ask me about <aptitude clone> |
| 21:18.17 | kibibyte | why you use testing if you have "stable" debian |
| 21:18.18 | sharp15 | i'm trying to find the gnome-<something> package that i used to install gnome but i can't remember what it was. |
| 21:18.20 | yetifoot | Nyle, thanks yeah, i found a few bugs already, and they were on the tracker, but this one i'm having trouble finding what it would be called |
| 21:18.38 | abrotman | sharp15: /msg dpkg install gnome |
| 21:18.48 | Nyle | yetifoot, if its not listed, and you can reproduce it, try install reportbug and file one |
| 21:18.50 | th1 | sharp15, gnome-desktop? ;) |
| 21:18.54 | Nyle | yetifoot, make yourself useful |
| 21:19.09 | Nyle | if you don't want to file bugs, stick with etch. |
| 21:19.16 | th1 | sharp15, gnome-desktop-environment even |
| 21:19.25 | valdyn | yetifoot: you should probably report a bug to get in touch with the maintainers, hell let you know how to capture a backtrace etc |
| 21:19.26 | n3kl | lol |
| 21:19.35 | kibibyte | stick with etch and dont have full usefull desktop |
| 21:19.36 | Nyle | valdyn, good iea |
| 21:19.40 | valdyn | yetifoot: ( unless you bug is already reported ) |
| 21:19.47 | Nyle | kibibyte, do you have a debian support related question? |
| 21:19.52 | yetifoot | valdyn, that's a good point, i'll see if i can get a -dbg build, i know how to gdb |
| 21:19.53 | th1 | kibibyte, go trolling and crashing in #gentoo ;) |
| 21:19.57 | n3kl | kibibyte: I have been running etch on a usefull desktop for close to three years now |
| 21:20.01 | Nyle | kibibyte, you've done nothing but bash debian |
| 21:20.06 | Nyle | kibibyte, please stop, I won't ask again. |
| 21:20.18 | n3kl | kickisass |
| 21:20.20 | kibibyte | n3kl, buy new computer and try etch then |
| 21:20.29 | valdyn | kibibyte: why dont you shut up |
| 21:20.33 | Nyle | !etchnhalf |
| 21:20.33 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf , report bugs and problems to their mailing list please. |
| 21:20.36 | Nyle | there is also this |
| 21:20.37 | valdyn | kibibyte: we know these things already, dont tell us |
| 21:20.40 | Nyle | !kmuto |
| 21:20.40 | n3kl | kibibyte: I have it running on an asus crosshair just fine, thats pretty new |
| 21:20.40 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 21:20.43 | Nyle | there is also this |
| 21:20.46 | jelly-home | you folks, have been trolled. kibibyte is a repeat offender |
| 21:20.47 | yetifoot | i'm kind of unsure how i would debug it when it's taking down my whole machine though, i don't have seriel connection or anything to connect a debugger to |
| 21:20.47 | Nyle | stop your whining. |
| 21:20.53 | Nyle | jelly-home, oh... |
| 21:20.53 | n3kl | kibibyte: and on several laptops, two of which came out this year |
| 21:21.02 | n3kl | kibibyte: you don't know what you're talking about |
| 21:21.03 | sharp15 | th1: unfortunately every package that dpkg just mentioned is not installed. |
| 21:21.09 | kibibyte | yeah read forums wiki irc and spend weeks to make your computer suspend when yopu close lid |
| 21:21.15 | ribasushi | kibibyte: you can haz large UBUNTU COCK? |
| 21:21.23 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 21:21.27 | th1 | sharp15, sorry? what exactly did you type? |
| 21:21.29 | valdyn | yetifoot: yes, that is why you should report the bug - if you hit a nice maintainer he will help you along getting debugging info |
| 21:21.35 | Nyle | kibibyte, do you have a debian support related question? |
| 21:21.36 | n3kl | kibibyte: I think its a user problem |
| 21:21.42 | valdyn | yetifoot: ( im that lucky usually ) |
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| 21:21.52 | th1 | n3kl, you mean problem user |
| 21:21.59 | sharp15 | th1: i messaged the dpkg bot with "install gnome" |
| 21:22.00 | n3kl | indeed |
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| 21:22.15 | n3kl | sharp15: thats great, what did it tell you |
| 21:22.20 | th1 | sharp15, that wasn't me who told you to do that ;) but I'd suggest "aptitude install gnome-desktop-environment" |
| 21:22.29 | sharp15 | th1: no abrotman did. |
| 21:22.37 | kibibyte | debian is good for servers where you dont have soundcards s, fancy window efects, flash , browsers , suppends etc |
| 21:22.38 | sharp15 | sorry. i should've said that. |
| 21:22.46 | Magnetophon | hi, i've set up a system for a friend. i needed to compile the wifi-drivers, so if he (automatically) upgrades his kernel, his wifi will be dead. He will soon be doing development work in third-world countries, so will be dependent on his wifi. without it he couldn't even contact me for support... should i apt-pin the kernel? |
| 21:22.50 | deadcat | n3kl: cool. the readme explained wpa pretty well (= just hope it works when i try it out. |
| 21:22.50 | n3kl | kibibyte: you are in idiot |
| 21:22.56 | abrotman | kibibyte: if you don't like debian .. please leave the channel, otherwise, be quiet |
| 21:23.11 | kibibyte | i like debian ubuntu is debian based |
| 21:23.16 | n3kl | deadcat: the thing that got me hung up was to make sure that you have thcp set for default. And I like to use the wpa-roam |
| 21:23.22 | th1 | Magnetophon, you can do "echo kernel-image-WHATEVER hold | dpkg --set-selections" |
| 21:23.25 | valdyn | Magnetophon: or tell him how to easily recompile that driver |
| 21:23.26 | abrotman | kibibyte: so go there .. or have you been banned from #ubuntu also ? |
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| 21:23.32 | n3kl | deadcat: er, the roaming feature of wpasupplicant, not wpa-roam |
| 21:23.32 | kibibyte | no |
| 21:23.46 | sharp15 | n3kl: the dpkg bot gave me a list of 3 commonly used package names that install gnome. unfortunately none of them are installed. |
| 21:23.51 | valdyn | Magnetophon: and fyi, a new kernel will not remove his current kernel |
| 21:23.52 | Magnetophon | th1: what does that do? |
| 21:23.57 | valdyn | Magnetophon: you dont have to use pinning |
| 21:24.07 | th1 | Magnetophon, it tells apt that you want to keep that version of that package no matter whsat |
| 21:24.08 | n3kl | sharp15: I think several people just gave you the answers |
| 21:24.19 | deadcat | n3kl: that would be using the .conf file right? |
| 21:24.33 | mordy | roams |
| 21:24.36 | n3kl | deadcat: yeah |
| 21:24.40 | Magnetophon | th1 and how is that different from pinning? |
| 21:24.47 | deadcat | n3kl: cool thanks |
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| 21:24.52 | n3kl | deadcat: oh, but you wanted it all in the interfaces? |
| 21:24.55 | n3kl | deadcat: no |
| 21:24.56 | th1 | Magnetophon, it's not different other than it's in the database rather than a config file |
| 21:25.03 | serkan`c | hmm i think apt-cache reads from /var/lib/apt/lists |
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| 21:25.12 | deadcat | n3kl: ya. i just want them in interfaces |
| 21:25.15 | serkan`c | there are files per repo |
| 21:25.23 | valdyn | serkan`c: bingo |
| 21:25.32 | n3kl | deadcat: ah. Yeah documentation in /usr/share/doc is usually very usefull |
| 21:25.40 | serkan`c | now i feel good :) |
| 21:25.42 | th1 | Magnetophon, it might be more transparent to pin it but I usually use the selections because they can be easily transferred between boxen |
| 21:25.42 | n3kl | serkan`c: why the hunt for this? |
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| 21:26.00 | serkan`c | one of my friends wanted to know the mechanism for apt |
| 21:26.10 | th1 | serkan`c, there are several howtos on apt |
| 21:26.11 | serkan`c | how it reads the package info |
| 21:26.23 | n3kl | serkan`c: just to see if you could figure it out? |
| 21:26.29 | serkan`c | th1: first i want to ask that :D |
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| 21:26.45 | serkan`c | first of all i cant find anthing before asking |
| 21:26.57 | th1 | http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
| 21:26.59 | serkan`c | but apt-cache was my keyword |
| 21:27.01 | th1 | serkan`c, that link |
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| 21:27.09 | n3kl | serkan`c: glad you found it |
| 21:27.29 | Ace2016_-- | ok Ace2016_- has been idle for 1 hour and i'm him so why isn't the old nick disconnecting? |
| 21:27.36 | serkan`c | th1: that link but which part? |
| 21:27.38 | sharp15 | i'm now trying to remove the package that pulled in the rest of gnome. not fix the install. |
| 21:27.40 | Ace2016_-- | not disconnecting? |
| 21:27.53 | serkan`c | i couldnt find /var/lib/apt/lists info? |
| 21:27.53 | th1 | serkan`c, come on do you need to be spoonfed ;) if you need the innards read the source code |
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| 21:28.00 | mordy | Ace2016_-- : maybe you're not him |
| 21:28.11 | Ace2016_-- | i am |
| 21:28.18 | Magnetophon | th1: ok, thanks. but afaik pinning can be set up to block only 2.6.24.* and let trough 2.6.25.*, which is supposed to work out of the box. Is that possible with pinning and/or your method? Is it advisable? |
| 21:28.19 | serkan`c | n3kl: my friend is a noob, he wondered that, after he asked i wonder it too :) |
| 21:28.25 | n3kl | mwahaha |
| 21:28.26 | Ace2016_-- | whois both of us and see, same everything |
| 21:28.28 | mordy | maybe the nick has acquired a life of its own |
| 21:28.32 | n3kl | serkan`c: neat |
| 21:28.39 | th1 | Magnetophon, tbh, I'm not really sure |
| 21:28.43 | valdyn | serkan`c: "strace -eopen apt-cache search firefox 1>/dev/null" |
| 21:28.48 | n3kl | Ace2016_--: run, he's standing behind you! |
| 21:28.50 | serkan`c | th1: i found it from manual page of apt-cache :D |
| 21:28.53 | mordy | i'm just kidding with you |
| 21:28.55 | mordy | lol |
| 21:28.56 | Ace2016_-- | looks around |
| 21:29.05 | Ace2016_-- | nope, invisible |
| 21:29.17 | cr3rzemjest | wow haha |
| 21:29.19 | mordy | ace2016 - could be something with freenode - i've been having problems with freenode today |
| 21:29.20 | cr3rzemjest | http://rafb.net/p/zvu6gd95.html |
| 21:29.24 | cr3rzemjest | nice!! |
| 21:29.25 | serkan`c | valdyn: cool |
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| 21:29.45 | serkan`c | and inspiring |
| 21:30.04 | Magnetophon | valdyn: i know the old kernel will still be there, but i'd rather not have to hope he remembers my tip to use grub to go to the other kernel and all... |
| 21:30.04 | mordy | (although i do wish you would get your old name back. too many hyphens and underscores make my fingers sore) |
| 21:30.17 | Ace2016_-- | cr3rzemjest: why is that nice? |
| 21:30.30 | serkan`c | thank you all of you :) |
| 21:30.32 | valdyn | Magnetophon: ok, theres a few cases that can happen |
| 21:30.42 | valdyn | Magnetophon: you could have a kernel meta package installed - dont |
| 21:31.04 | th1 | ace2016_- you should ask an admin |
| 21:31.15 | valdyn | Magnetophon: your current kernel can get a security update - no harm done to the wifi driver - security fixes are binary compatible |
| 21:31.16 | cr3rzemjest | Ace2016_-, i meant "probably interesting" |
| 21:31.25 | valdyn | Magnetophon: nothing else can happen automagically really |
| 21:31.32 | th1 | Ace2016_--, if you own the nick you can use the /nickserv ghost command |
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| 21:31.43 | valdyn | Magnetophon: metapackages exist that pull the latest kernel - thats what you dont want |
| 21:31.48 | mordy | how do i reigster my nick anywya? |
| 21:31.52 | th1 | Ace2016_--, try "/msg nickserv help ghost" |
| 21:31.53 | Ace2016_-- | i didn't register that one, i only registered Ace2016 |
| 21:32.26 | th1 | Ace2016_-, well then next time you get it back register it to your main account with /nickserv group |
| 21:32.46 | Magnetophon | valdyn: how do i recognize the metapackages? |
| 21:32.48 | Ace2016 | wait what? |
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| 21:33.35 | valdyn | Magnetophon: name starts like a real kernel ( linux-image- ), but its not a complete name, specifying only what it will pull the latest of |
| 21:33.53 | Ace2016 | th1: all that says is -NickServ- Nick Ace2016 is already registered to your account. |
| 21:34.09 | th1 | ace2016, you have to do it from the other nick |
| 21:34.14 | valdyn | Magnetophon: like that: linux-image-2.6-amd64 always depends on the latest 2.6 amd64 kernel |
| 21:34.32 | th1 | ace2016 try /nickserv help group |
| 21:34.54 | n3kl | How can I change my freenode registration password? |
| 21:34.58 | Ace2016_ | screw this i'm getting a new nick |
| 21:35.07 | th1 | n3kl, /nickserv help set password |
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| 21:35.52 | n3kl | th1: thx |
| 21:35.56 | th1 | np |
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| 21:36.10 | valdyn | Magnetophon: are you on testing btw? |
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| 21:36.28 | Magnetophon | valdyn: also: are you saying that any version of 2.6.24 is binary compatible? 2.6.25 is supposed to work out of the box, so then i wouldn't have to do anything. |
| 21:36.32 | valdyn | Magnetophon: all kinds of things can break there that will essentially break your system if you dont follow upgrades |
| 21:36.51 | th1 | Magnetophon, you want to verify that before you kill his access out in the middle of nowhere |
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| 21:37.17 | Nano2760 | th1: it says -NickServ- You are not logged in. |
| 21:37.19 | th1 | Magnetophon, of course if you instal a new kernel the old one is usually retained so it will be bootable from the grub prompt |
| 21:37.28 | valdyn | Magnetophon: in debian packages the 2.6.25 is not an upgrade to 2.6.24 but an entirely new package |
| 21:37.31 | MarGarina | Got kdelibs of kde4 in unstable, but... nothing seems to have changed.. |
| 21:37.43 | valdyn | Magnetophon: and as you well know, entirely new packages dont just get installed |
| 21:37.47 | th1 | Nano2760, then maybe you are not logged in? ;) try /msg nickserv helpl. anyway all this freenode talk is off topic for #debian, go to #freenode if you need more help with this |
| 21:38.17 | valdyn | Magnetophon: same relation between 2.6.24-1-386 and 2.6.24-2-386, thats two different packages, not uprades |
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| 21:38.57 | Magnetophon | th1 how would i test that? (i gues i could backup his current system and force a new kernel...) |
| 21:39.30 | valdyn | Magnetophon: you need to disable upgrades or run stable |
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| 21:39.39 | valdyn | Magnetophon: i dont know what you want to test.. |
| 21:39.39 | th1 | Magnetophon, you can always keep the old kernel package .deb on his system and explain to him that if a new kernel doesn't work he must do dpkg -i <your-kernel> to get back |
| 21:40.26 | Magnetophon | valdyn: so are all 2.6.24-1 versions binary compatible? then there is no problem, right? |
| 21:40.37 | valdyn | Magnetophon: right, exactly |
| 21:40.59 | th1 | Magnetophon, you would do best not to trust in module-level binary compatibility between *any* kernels |
| 21:41.28 | valdyn | th1: that means not trusting debian package management, then basically all is lost no matter what |
| 21:41.32 | Nano2760 | too much hastle to find another nick/email/all logins for all sites |
| 21:41.32 | th1 | "should be" is not synonymous with "is" |
| 21:42.03 | th1 | valdyn, I'd hold that a kernel with a custom compiled module is no longer the same as the original package |
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| 21:42.42 | valdyn | th1: uh? the whole point of stable kernel upgrades keeping the minor like -1 IS binary compatiblity |
| 21:43.23 | th1 | valdyn, you're absolutely right but I would still keep a copy of the original .deb just in case |
| 21:43.26 | pickcoder | does anyone have an experience supported opinion on a fax server board that doesn't have mps/pps problems with old fax machines? this is for hylafax |
| 21:43.27 | valdyn | Magnetophon: i cant protect you against such a bug that th1 is referring to |
| 21:43.38 | valdyn | Magnetophon: only pinning just that certain kernel will do that |
| 21:43.43 | pickcoder | no one ever answered in #hylafax, atleast before I got booted |
| 21:43.54 | abrotman | pickcoder: you mean a modem card? |
| 21:44.00 | pickcoder | no.. a fax server board |
| 21:44.01 | Magnetophon | th1: i guess i could leave an explanation-textfile on his desktop, but he's 75 years old and has never touched linux before... |
| 21:44.02 | pickcoder | 4port |
| 21:44.14 | abrotman | oh .. nope .. you have fun with that :) |
| 21:44.20 | th1 | Magnetophon, just pin the specific kernel version then ;) |
| 21:44.23 | valdyn | Magnetophon: you should install etch, thats all really |
| 21:44.28 | pickcoder | I have 3 multi-tech ZBA modems that regularly complain about the remote fax hardware |
| 21:44.32 | th1 | Magnetophon, he's not on etch? |
| 21:44.33 | valdyn | Magnetophon: i dont think adding on top makes much sense, but thats just me |
| 21:44.43 | pickcoder | and it doesn't always train on the best resolution |
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| 21:44.56 | abrotman | line noise? |
| 21:45.02 | Magnetophon | valdyn: what do you mean by adding on top? |
| 21:45.05 | th1 | Magnetophon, on a "critical" system such as that etch is the only sensible choice |
| 21:45.10 | FoxM | Hi. Do you know how can I configure eclipse to find my tomcat 5.5 server? |
| 21:45.16 | valdyn | Magnetophon: adding measures on top, like pinning |
| 21:45.17 | pickcoder | they are analog channels from a T1 |
| 21:45.21 | abrotman | cross poster! |
| 21:45.31 | abrotman | pickcoder: line noise? :) |
| 21:45.34 | valdyn | Magnetophon: that does what th1 said, but disables security fixes to your kernel |
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| 21:45.43 | th1 | valdyn, it's because he has a custom compiled wifi driver.. Magnetophon did you consider using a kernel from backports with that module built in? |
| 21:45.51 | pickcoder | well we never have a problem with our Canon fax machine |
| 21:45.52 | pickcoder | on the same T1 |
| 21:46.04 | abrotman | the binary ABI doesn't change as long as the -#- remains the same |
| 21:46.09 | pickcoder | yet the modems constantly fail with PPS or MPS response errors to the same numbers |
| 21:46.20 | Magnetophon | th1: good idea,i'll look into it... |
| 21:46.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: ours is just a single line .. and it's fed from a digital->analog converter out of the phone system |
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| 21:47.35 | adama | what package provides stdlib.h or what apt-command will tell me? |
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| 21:47.42 | abrotman | !tell adama about apt-file |
| 21:47.45 | Magnetophon | th1: i'm using etch at home but i'm afraid it will be a hell of a job to get it running on a medion e1210 (msi-wind clone) |
| 21:47.54 | adama | thank you sir! |
| 21:48.11 | \amethyst | adama: in addition to what that reports, there's a good chance you want build-essentials |
| 21:48.12 | th1 | Magnetophon, if you use a backports kernel you should be ok |
| 21:48.12 | abrotman | !tell adama about search |
| 21:48.13 | cognitiaclaeves | I've just installed apt-get install at, and for some reason, it installed courier as well. I want at, I don't want courier. Is there a way to do this? |
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| 21:48.22 | cognitiaclaeves | ** and is it avisable? |
| 21:48.24 | danielvrf | hello, good night :) |
| 21:48.37 | abrotman | good morning, buhbye! |
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| 21:48.42 | pickcoder | abrotman: we used to utilize analog station cards for voicemail and there are 8 ports in the system right now not in use |
| 21:48.46 | danielvrf | jeje |
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| 21:49.10 | pickcoder | the fax lines are on a different PRI circuit |
| 21:49.16 | abrotman | pickcoder: tried to duplicate the same error with a regular fax machine over the same line ? |
| 21:49.24 | pickcoder | though the outgoing ones could be routed out through the PBX |
| 21:49.30 | th1 | Magnetophon, the beauty of sicking with the debian package management system is that it takes the responsibility out of your hands.. and not sticking with it has the opposite effect |
| 21:49.41 | Magnetophon | th1: doesn't running a backported kernel have the risk of breakage of other software? (i don't really know) |
| 21:49.47 | pickcoder | abrotman: that's what I just said. Our Canon fax machine never fails sending to those trouble numbers. |
| 21:49.56 | th1 | Magnetophon, a smaller risk than running a later distro |
| 21:50.01 | pickcoder | the modems do it everytime even in Class1 |
| 21:50.10 | abrotman | can you put a regular fax/modem card in the server and try it with that? |
| 21:50.12 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 21:50.19 | abrotman | wait .. a regular modem |
| 21:50.25 | SeJo | anyone can advise me a photo manager that has raw support and isn't linked to kde or gnome? |
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| 21:50.26 | th1 | Magnetophon, I usually use the head-of-tree stable kernel on my debian etch systems |
| 21:50.28 | abrotman | a single port! |
| 21:50.30 | pickcoder | they are all on the same T1 circuit |
| 21:50.33 | th1 | Magnetophon, I have yet to encounter any issues |
| 21:50.53 | abrotman | pickcoder: no .. i mean a hylafax driven system, but a single port card (like a regular data/fax/voice modem |
| 21:50.56 | Magnetophon | th1: head of tree??? |
| 21:51.04 | th1 | Magnetophon, as in "latest stable from kernel.org" |
| 21:51.18 | pickcoder | abrotman: they are currently plugged into a Digi Port Server II that's on the main host here |
| 21:51.24 | pickcoder | I can't just "stick another card in it" |
| 21:51.44 | abrotman | so you can't tell if it's the card or hylafax |
| 21:51.54 | pickcoder | not without arranging a major shutdown period anyway |
| 21:51.57 | th1 | Magnetophon, not that I'd recommend you do that, it's just because I occasionally hack the kernel and it's a bother to forward-port patches before submitting them :) |
| 21:52.05 | pickcoder | I'm pretty sure it's the hardware |
| 21:52.25 | pickcoder | but I don't want to waste $1500 on a card that ends up giving me the same errors |
| 21:52.46 | Magnetophon | valdyn: would you agree a backport kernel is a good solution? |
| 21:52.50 | th1 | Magnetophon, I always use make-kpkg though and install my homebrew kernels in the "proper" way on my debs |
| 21:52.59 | pickcoder | I'll probably end up calling iFax monday |
| 21:53.00 | Magnetophon | th1: just doublechecking :D |
| 21:53.24 | th1 | Magnetophon, wisely |
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| 21:54.14 | FoxM | Hi. Do you know how can I configure eclipse to find my tomcat 5.5 server? |
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| 21:54.48 | th1 | Magnetophon, e.g. http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6-486 |
| 21:54.53 | th1 | you can always check if it'll work |
| 21:55.08 | th1 | it's always better than "add-your-own-modules-on-top-of-the-latest-debian-kernel" |
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| 21:55.27 | abrotman | pickcoder: oh just slap another card in :) |
| 21:55.29 | th1 | or more like -686 |
| 21:55.37 | abrotman | pickcoder: weren't you asking about the same issue a few months ago ? |
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| 21:56.12 | th1 | Magnetophon, my point is, that although backports are less supported, they are more supported than "roll-your-own" :) |
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| 21:56.49 | cwheeler | hi, what's the device file for this usb device? |
| 21:56.58 | cwheeler | usb 2-1: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 3 |
| 21:57.38 | HardDisk_WP | how do I compare the content of two IMAP folders? |
| 21:57.41 | Pavlz | i am here |
| 21:57.47 | HardDisk_WP | I use thunderbird to copy between two servers |
| 21:57.49 | th1 | cwheeler, check syslog |
| 21:57.52 | HardDisk_WP | but one mail got lost |
| 21:58.03 | HardDisk_WP | how do I find out which one? |
| 21:58.13 | abrotman | cmp maybe |
| 21:58.26 | Pavlz | thunderbird is not free software, so i can't help you |
| 21:58.49 | HardDisk_WP | then icedove^^ i always say thunderbird |
| 21:59.21 | HardDisk_WP | the one server runs debian w/ courier, the other server is google mail |
| 21:59.21 | cognitiaclaeves | how do I install at without all those courier references? |
| 21:59.22 | th1 | Pavlz, free software, not free branding :) |
| 21:59.37 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, ??? |
| 21:59.59 | Pavlz | yes, thunderbird is not free software is mozilla foundation |
| 22:00.20 | cwheeler | th1: I get this error in syslog usb 2-1: device not accepting address 3, error -110 |
| 22:00.32 | HardDisk_WP | cwheeler, nvidia chipset?? |
| 22:00.34 | th1 | cwheeler, then it's not working properly. what is the device? |
| 22:00.49 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. let's try this then: I want to run schedule timed job to run once. Is there an app that does that? I thought "at" did it, but I don't want everything that "at" seems to depend on. |
| 22:00.50 | cwheeler | the disk has an ext3 fs on it and i've used it on other linux machines |
| 22:00.51 | th1 | good point HardDisk_WP |
| 22:00.53 | HardDisk_WP | th1, or it's one of the dozen USB bugs in nvidia chipsets |
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| 22:01.09 | HardDisk_WP | cognitiaclaeves, /etc/crontab |
| 22:01.15 | cwheeler | i'm trying to mount it from a system running in a parallels vm on a macbook pro |
| 22:01.25 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, man at |
| 22:01.33 | cognitiaclaeves | at is not installed, th1. |
| 22:01.35 | Pavlz | ask them help, they developped it, you have accepted an EULA not free software, is not GNU General Public License |
| 22:01.43 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, if you only want the job to run once at's the obvious choice |
| 22:01.57 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: does at really depend on courier? |
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| 22:01.58 | HardDisk_WP | Pavlz, lol don't be kidding. icedove is free software |
| 22:02.16 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, not in etch it doesn't |
| 22:02.33 | th1 | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), mail-transport-agent, lsb-base (>= 3.0-10) |
| 22:02.35 | Pavlz | you have many choices of clients for e-mailes, use free software GNU General Public License |
| 22:02.41 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: apt-get install at forces courier to be installed. Do I have the wrong version? (For etch?) |
| 22:02.53 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, try aptitude show at |
| 22:02.59 | pickcoder | abrotman: probably |
| 22:03.03 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, in my etch it doesn't depend on courier |
| 22:03.16 | abrotman | Pavlz: stop already |
| 22:03.16 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, in fact in my etch there is no package courier |
| 22:03.18 | cwheeler | th1: 'it's a usb hard drive |
| 22:03.40 | th1 | cwheeler, and is it an nvidia chipset? |
| 22:03.51 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: Awesome. That's what I want. ... how do I get that? |
| 22:04.09 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, aptitude install at ? |
| 22:04.10 | cwheeler | the hardware is a macbook pro, debian is running in a vm |
| 22:04.28 | *** part/#debian picknick (n=laaksosi@84.249.123.180) |
| 22:04.43 | th1 | cwheeler, then your problem is probably the virtualizer |
| 22:04.53 | th1 | head to the support channel for that then ;) |
| 22:05.00 | cwheeler | thanks |
| 22:05.08 | HardDisk_WP | hm |
| 22:05.16 | HardDisk_WP | vmware should not have any problems with disks |
| 22:05.20 | HardDisk_WP | or usb devs |
| 22:05.26 | HardDisk_WP | cwheeler, what is the host? |
| 22:05.28 | HardDisk_WP | mac os? |
| 22:05.30 | cwheeler | i'm using Parallels not vmware |
| 22:05.40 | cwheeler | yes 10.5 |
| 22:05.53 | dustybin | HardDisk_WP: is that you? |
| 22:05.57 | SeJo | \/9 |
| 22:05.58 | HardDisk_WP | it also can be a Mac OS bug |
| 22:06.02 | cwheeler | the usb chipset is Logitech |
| 22:06.03 | HardDisk_WP | dustybin, ? |
| 22:06.12 | dustybin | i know somone with same nick |
| 22:06.13 | dustybin | never mind |
| 22:06.23 | HardDisk_WP | kk np^^ |
| 22:06.26 | cwheeler | anyone used the ext2 stuff for osx? |
| 22:06.30 | th1 | cwheeler, the chipset doesn't matter much when it's virtualized |
| 22:06.31 | HardDisk_WP | but actually, that nick is quite rare |
| 22:06.44 | th1 | cwheeler, I'd ask in the parallels support channel |
| 22:06.45 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: The following NEW packages will be automatically installed: courier-authdaemon courier-authlib courier-authlib-userdb courier-base courier-mta fam libfam0 libltdl3 portmap |
| 22:06.49 | HardDisk_WP | th1, oh it does. very much. at least if it's nvidia |
| 22:07.06 | HardDisk_WP | the lowest-level stuff still gets handled by it |
| 22:07.18 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, please post the output of "aptitude show at" on pastebin.ca, and paste the link |
| 22:07.19 | HardDisk_WP | and thats where nvidia has severe bugs |
| 22:08.03 | HardDisk_WP | how can I generate a lot of traffic on my PPPoE connection without downloading anything to my disk? |
| 22:08.13 | dustybin | iperf |
| 22:08.14 | pickcoder | abrotman: I get complaints periodically about the faxes failing. I just recently changed a document and it didn't like being faxed, so all of the fax issues came back up again. |
| 22:08.17 | HardDisk_WP | i just need *real* lots of traffic to stress-test my internet |
| 22:08.23 | dustybin | iperf |
| 22:08.44 | abrotman | pickcoder: stop sending me faxes about free vacations! |
| 22:08.53 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: ping a machine with huge packet sizes |
| 22:08.59 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: http://www.pastebin.ca/1082943 |
| 22:09.04 | HardDisk_WP | dustybin, dont have another server in the internet |
| 22:09.13 | pickcoder | abrotman: sorry.. I just work here... |
| 22:09.14 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, nice idea...you mean PoD? |
| 22:09.19 | abrotman | pickcoder: hehe |
| 22:09.24 | pickcoder | HardDisk_WP: heh.. yearh |
| 22:09.31 | HardDisk_WP | ;) |
| 22:09.37 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, ok thanks, then post the output of aptitude install at |
| 22:09.54 | blubberdiblub | HardDisk_WP, wget into /dev/null? |
| 22:10.51 | HardDisk_WP | blubberdiblub, thx |
| 22:11.02 | HardDisk_WP | pickcoder, mh, google denies packetsize 31337 |
| 22:11.18 | pickcoder | heh |
| 22:11.33 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: thanks, http://www.pastebin.ca/1082947 |
| 22:12.02 | *** mode/#debian [+l 833] by debhelper |
| 22:12.35 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, it's because you don't have a mail transfer agent installed on your system. you need to install one, eg. exim4-daemon-light, before you can install at |
| 22:12.55 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, or you can download the .deb and install it with dpkg -i --force-deps but I won't recommend it |
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| 22:13.13 | n3kl | Can someon give me an oppinion on which is better, tor from backports or tor from noreply, which is where dpkg sent me? |
| 22:13.35 | abrotman | they should be pretty close |
| 22:13.47 | th1 | n3kl, why do you need it? |
| 22:13.54 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: I don't need an MTA... is there a substitute available (such as something that will relay mail to an SMTP server?) |
| 22:13.55 | n3kl | abrotman: same versions, is noreplu trustworthy |
| 22:14.08 | blubberdiblub | cognitiaclaeves, try the package nullmailer |
| 22:14.10 | n3kl | th1: because I have no faith in the people in charge ;) |
| 22:14.24 | abrotman | n3kl: they're probably both done by weasel |
| 22:14.26 | n3kl | abrotman: I am assuming so since dpkg sent me there |
| 22:14.32 | pickcoder | cognitiaclaeves: that.. would be an MTA then |
| 22:14.33 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, then install mta-local it might do the trick |
| 22:14.36 | n3kl | abrotman: is that a name I should know? |
| 22:15.38 | abrotman | n3kl: he's the tor packager |
| 22:15.44 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, let me know if it works |
| 22:15.59 | cognitiaclaeves | it can't find mta-local... looking harder... |
| 22:16.00 | th1 | the idea is that mta-local should provide for a system that only needs local mail delivery |
| 22:16.41 | joltcan | cognitiaclaeves: I'm using nullmailer for that kind of things |
| 22:17.07 | joltcan | cognitiaclaeves: very lightweight and easy to relay mails to some other account/server |
| 22:17.09 | cognitiaclaeves | nullmailer looks like a good second choice, but mta-local sounds like exactly what I want. |
| 22:17.12 | Pavlz | where can ci find more recent distribution GNU/linux debian ? on which ftp or http ? |
| 22:17.21 | pickcoder | it's not LSB compat though |
| 22:17.47 | *** part/#debian FoxM (n=foxm@190.146.81.158) |
| 22:17.57 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, :) lol I just did "apt-show mta-local" and realized it's the one I've created myself because I use qmail on my server :) |
| 22:17.59 | wols | !cdimage |
| 22:17.59 | cognitiaclaeves | problem with nullmailer is... that I'm not entirely sure how to answer its questions... |
| 22:17.59 | dpkg | wols, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/ -- or if you just want to install debian, it is not recommended to download the entire cdimage. Please use the ftp method of installation... |
| 22:18.10 | wols | Pavlz: why more recent? |
| 22:18.15 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: Ah. Not so useful then. ;) |
| 22:18.38 | th1 | well it is |
| 22:18.38 | th1 | it does exactly the thing you are looking for :) |
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| 22:18.47 | vasco | hello |
| 22:18.47 | dustybin | kde 4.1 will be released in a few days |
| 22:18.49 | cognitiaclaeves | .. I meant for me... unless you have a .deb tucked away somewhere? |
| 22:18.57 | vasco | do you know how i can make my custom debian OS ? |
| 22:19.14 | vasco | i know how doing it with redhat, using the anaconda runtime tools |
| 22:19.15 | Pavlz | more recent are feb or pr, i think may, june, but feb or apr i think is old |
| 22:19.16 | wols | vasco: custom how? |
| 22:19.22 | wols | !fai |
| 22:19.22 | dpkg | an automated installation tool to install or deploy Debian GNU/Linux and other distributions on a bunch of different hosts or a Cluster. It's more flexible than other tools like kickstart for Red Hat, autoyast and alice for SuSE or Jumpstart for SUN Solaris. FAI can also be used for configuration management of a running system. channel: #fai site: http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ |
| 22:19.23 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, I do I believe.. let me search for it |
| 22:19.24 | wols | !preseed |
| 22:19.24 | dpkg | i guess preseed is a method of doing a remote network installation, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 22:19.59 | dustybin | lenny might be released in september! |
| 22:20.07 | wols | !tell cognitiaclaeves about ssmtp |
| 22:20.09 | vasco | wols, thank you i can use my custome logo with this installer? |
| 22:20.10 | dustybin | just in time for a new home server build |
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| 22:20.22 | wols | !tell vasco about customcd |
| 22:20.40 | HardDisk_WP | !tell me about customcd |
| 22:20.47 | wols | !tell vasco about custom cd |
| 22:20.51 | wols | !tell HardDisk_WP about selftell |
| 22:20.52 | HardDisk_WP | !tell me about custom cd |
| 22:20.53 | dustybin | !tell wols to make me a cuppa tea :P |
| 22:20.55 | abrotman | !tell HardDisk_WP about selftell |
| 22:21.02 | vasco | wols, i mean my custom logo, my custom service at start, my custome root password by defaut |
| 22:21.08 | wols | !fuck abrotman |
| 22:21.12 | vasco | wols, like knopix in fact |
| 22:21.15 | abrotman | gone |
| 22:21.18 | pickcoder | cognitiaclaeves: if you don't want to install nullmailer then consider installing an MTA and ask how to configure it for relay-only and local |
| 22:21.22 | wols | abrotman: someone broke my bot! |
| 22:21.30 | HardDisk_WP | Der Server unter wiki.debian.net konnte nicht gefunden werden. |
| 22:21.30 | wols | vasco: we don't care about knoppix |
| 22:21.32 | abrotman | more like cleaned up |
| 22:21.40 | HardDisk_WP | can anyone reach it? |
| 22:21.44 | wols | damn PC police! |
| 22:21.48 | HardDisk_WP | !fuck me |
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| 22:22.03 | Nyle | hm |
| 22:22.25 | Nyle | dpkg, hi |
| 22:22.25 | dpkg | hi |
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| 22:22.40 | cognitiaclaeves | Ok, pickcoder, how about how to configure the nullmailer? |
| 22:22.41 | \amethyst | cognitiaclaeves: ssmtp is another relay-only MTA in debian |
| 22:22.46 | vasco | wols, bring my custome package at install for example |
| 22:22.52 | pickcoder | cognitiaclaeves: I dunno.. ask me about postfix |
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| 22:22.59 | Nyle | pickcoder, lol |
| 22:23.07 | cognitiaclaeves | ssmtp wouldn't install. It errored. |
| 22:23.07 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, www.infowares.com/mta-local_1.0_all.deb |
| 22:23.10 | Nyle | sounded like the bot |
| 22:23.12 | pickcoder | or ask #postfix about postfix |
| 22:23.18 | pickcoder | I doubt there's a #nullmailer |
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| 22:23.30 | eLement | Hey guys I have a question for you |
| 22:23.38 | wols | !tell cognitiaclaeves about errors |
| 22:23.39 | Nyle | we probably have an answer for you |
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| 22:24.03 | pickcoder | ugh.. this fax error report generator is too damn slow |
| 22:24.23 | cognitiaclaeves | wols: The message didn't seem very useful: dpkg: error processing ssmtp (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 |
| 22:24.28 | eLement | Guys |
| 22:24.30 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, the one I sent you the link for is the one I'm using |
| 22:24.35 | eLement | If a tourism campaign uses the debian logo |
| 22:24.41 | eLement | Is that against some type of trademark? |
| 22:24.41 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: that is not the error |
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| 22:24.58 | wols | !trademark |
| 22:25.00 | cognitiaclaeves | wols: Oh... unknown host, then? |
| 22:25.13 | eLement | !trademark |
| 22:25.13 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: paste the full output to paster |
| 22:25.14 | wols | cognitiaclaeves: don't guess |
| 22:25.16 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: Where did you get this? |
| 22:25.17 | eLement | Hm |
| 22:25.30 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, I made it myself when I had a problem similar to yours |
| 22:25.40 | pickcoder | home brew |
| 22:25.47 | Guerin | unnecessary |
| 22:25.54 | Heavy-D | hey guys where does Debian's version of the file used for virtual host configuration reside? |
| 22:26.00 | Heavy-D | err.. in apache I mean |
| 22:26.06 | statim | hey guys my production server has about 4000 mails in it and the 'mail' command is a pain in the ass to go through and delete old ones. id like to get to the ones from the last could days but cant figure out how. any ideas? |
| 22:26.07 | th1 | Guerin, -rw-rw-r-- 1 th th 201 Jun 25 2002 fake-mta |
| 22:26.13 | th1 | look at the date, then it was necessary ;) |
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| 22:26.18 | Guerin | th1: hah |
| 22:26.19 | neonlightning | how do i set timeouts for smb shares that i've mounted since my g/f doesn't always leave her computer on |
| 22:26.24 | pickcoder | Heavy-D: you mean /etc/apache2/sites-available |
| 22:26.28 | Guerin | those times have passed |
| 22:26.31 | cognitiaclaeves | fair enough: ssmtp problem: http://www.pastebin.ca/1082963 |
| 22:26.32 | joltcan | eLement: Well, the debian logo has copyright on the swirl, so that would be an infrigement of copyright I guess |
| 22:26.33 | pickcoder | a2ensite <site filename> |
| 22:26.39 | eLement | joltcan |
| 22:26.39 | th1 | Guerin, I admit null-mailer sounds proper ;) |
| 22:26.39 | eLement | Well |
| 22:26.42 | eLement | I can verify a city |
| 22:26.44 | eLement | An entire US city |
| 22:26.48 | eLement | Is violating that copyright |
| 22:26.48 | Heavy-D | pickcoder: Is that a folder or the file where the vhosts are configured? |
| 22:26.54 | pickcoder | folder |
| 22:26.58 | Guerin | th1: nullmailer is actually a mta, though - it just relays mail out to another host |
| 22:27.01 | pickcoder | each file is considered a "site" |
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| 22:27.15 | th1 | Guerin, ok, I guess there should be a "localmailer" as well then |
| 22:27.18 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: yes, `hostname: Unknown host' is the error |
| 22:27.20 | wols | eLement: http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19980306a |
| 22:27.27 | pickcoder | Heavy-D: there is a defaultlayout trigger in #apache |
| 22:27.28 | wols | eLement: how do you know they are violating it? |
| 22:27.33 | cognitiaclaeves | Guerin: Ok. What does that mean, then? |
| 22:27.38 | pickcoder | that web site shows all of the distro config structures |
| 22:27.38 | Guerin | th1: perhaps there should be. ssmtp can. |
| 22:27.42 | eLement | Uh |
| 22:27.46 | eLement | Promoting tourism to a city |
| 22:27.52 | eLement | Using the debian logo seems like violation to me |
| 22:28.03 | eLement | Last ten seconds of the video: http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=24476641 |
| 22:28.04 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: what's your hostname set to? |
| 22:28.04 | joltcan | eLement: But I don't know how that works, so it probably better to email somebody at there |
| 22:28.10 | th1 | Guerin, in any case my one should solve cognitiaclaeves's problem with at |
| 22:28.22 | eLement | Hm, anyone know who to contact for something like that? |
| 22:28.23 | Guerin | eLement: address your concerns to debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 22:28.27 | pickcoder | wonders if that copyright is only for the software industry |
| 22:28.28 | eLement | sweet |
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| 22:28.34 | cognitiaclaeves | Guerin: Probably 'svnvbox' . |
| 22:28.46 | Heavy-D | pickcoder: cool. I'm working on my migrating my current setup to vhosts so I need to do as much research as possible. Thanks for the help |
| 22:28.58 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: what did wols say before about guessing? |
| 22:29.25 | cognitiaclaeves | Guerin: lol, ok, that is the name in /etc/hostname. |
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| 22:29.40 | Guerin | pickcoder: yes, generally a trade mark (no copyright issue there) is per-sector |
| 22:30.08 | \amethyst | why isn't there a copyright issue? |
| 22:30.40 | \amethyst | Copyright (c) 1999 Software in the Public Interest This logo or a modified version may be used by anyone to refer to the Debian project, but does not indicate endorsement by the project. |
| 22:30.53 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, did you try my .deb? |
| 22:30.56 | obx | so tell me why i should choose debian over ubuntu |
| 22:31.03 | Guerin | !why debian |
| 22:31.03 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 22:31.18 | th1 | obx, if you need to ask you shouldn't. just go away to #ubuntu ok :) |
| 22:31.19 | Tweak1029 | Does anybody know why my wireless network would have trouble connecting, even when I modify the connection settings (WEP, passkey) in the router to work for the settings on the computer? |
| 22:31.30 | obx | but ubuntu is so frustrating! ;) |
| 22:31.38 | th1 | well there's your answer |
| 22:31.48 | cognitiaclaeves | th1: Not yet. This is going to be a production box, so I guess I should attempt to fix it in a debian sanctioned way. Thanks, though. I'm hanging on to it if I get frustrated with the sanctioned options. |
| 22:32.13 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, if you can't use the null mailer or ssmtp then this is a reasonable and time-proven fix (I made it in 2002 ;) |
| 22:32.25 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: look at the script and see what breaks. it should be /var/lib/dpkg/ssmtp.postinst |
| 22:32.32 | \amethyst | hm, actually, it's not exactly the same---the bottom-left part of the inner spiral is thinner, and the blob on the bootom left outer spiral has a slight upward point that the Debian logo doesn't |
| 22:32.38 | Guerin | (or whatever package it was, I forget) |
| 22:33.01 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, but it does fool your box into thinking there is an MTA installed, which there is not. I made it because I use a home-rolled qmail as an MTA and I hadn't bothered to debian package it, so it's a hack (like it says in the docs) |
| 22:33.17 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, but if it's only to satisfy at's dependencies, it should be ok. |
| 22:33.32 | abrotman | that's a pretty dumb thing to do |
| 22:33.45 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, you should consider creating a really local mta and packaging it and contributing it to debian |
| 22:34.00 | th1 | abrotman, I did mention the caveats |
| 22:34.05 | Guerin | it makes sense if you consider it a good idea to use qmail |
| 22:34.12 | abrotman | exim can be configured to only deliver locally |
| 22:34.21 | th1 | Guerin, I did at the time, now I'm just too lazy to convert |
| 22:34.29 | Guerin | th1: you have my condolences |
| 22:34.33 | pickcoder | all MTAs can be configure to do local-only mail |
| 22:34.41 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: install a real MTA .. |
| 22:34.57 | th1 | pickcoder, I get the impression that cognitiaclaeves needs to create a low-footprint instal |
| 22:35.40 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: This is an a VM that will be running SVN. I really want to keep it as lean as possible. |
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| 22:35.52 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: so install ssmtp or nullmailer |
| 22:35.52 | Heavy-D | pickcoder: Sorry, what did you say I had to do again to get information about Debian's default vhosts setup? |
| 22:36.07 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: Working on ssmtp. It's fighting me. |
| 22:36.11 | Guerin | abrotman: ssmtpd is erroring |
| 22:36.15 | abrotman | with? |
| 22:36.19 | Guerin | so we're trying to get a look at the postinst |
| 22:36.25 | cognitiaclaeves | invalid hostname |
| 22:36.29 | Guerin | abrotman: http://www.pastebin.ca/1082963 |
| 22:36.32 | th1 | cognitiaclaeves, then use a cronjob in /etc/cron.d that deletes itself once it has run (if it must only run once) or use a user-crontab and replace it with an empty one after it's run |
| 22:36.35 | abrotman | i'd wager fixing the errors is far more important than trying to work around an MTA requirement |
| 22:36.38 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: paste up the postinst script |
| 22:36.56 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: also paste /etc/hosts |
| 22:37.01 | th1 | abrotman, I'd agree with you 100%. this was 6 years ago |
| 22:37.16 | abrotman | many MTAs existed six years ago that did local mail only |
| 22:37.29 | th1 | abrotman, yes but I had qmail so I didn't want another one. |
| 22:37.43 | th1 | I did say it was something I created for a specific problem and noted the caveats |
| 22:37.52 | abrotman | that's your fault |
| 22:37.59 | th1 | I'm not saying it's not ;) |
| 22:38.00 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: is this etch or lenny? |
| 22:38.05 | th1 | just a workaround |
| 22:38.09 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: etch. |
| 22:38.12 | Guerin | actually, that was the approved way of dealing with qmail back in the olden days |
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| 22:38.25 | th1 | thanks Guerin |
| 22:38.34 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: /etc/hosts only has an entry for localhost. |
| 22:38.34 | Guerin | (aside form the proper way, which is to not install the horrible thing ITFP) |
| 22:38.45 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: that's probably not helping |
| 22:38.46 | cognitiaclaeves | Guerin: I can't find the postinst script. |
| 22:38.47 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: add an entry for svnvbox |
| 22:38.53 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: you may not have to |
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| 22:39.33 | cognitiaclaeves | ok. done. |
| 22:39.43 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: what does the line say now ? |
| 22:39.46 | cognitiaclaeves | "127.0.0.1 svnvbox" |
| 22:39.54 | abrotman | try to reinstall the ssmtp |
| 22:40.00 | pickcoder | I have a dead Etch box at home that I can trash. I'll try to load ssmtp on it tonight |
| 22:40.15 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: That looked like that worked. |
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| 22:40.16 | Guerin | ssmtp works fine on etch |
| 22:40.24 | Guerin | it's a config error |
| 22:40.24 | th1 | abrotman, I'd really like to get rid of my qmail nowadays but I've got hundreds of accounts with aliases and .qmail's and it wouldbe a real hassle on a production box that generally doesn't need much touching |
| 22:40.25 | pickcoder | where did that install error come from? |
| 22:40.31 | pickcoder | oh |
| 22:40.33 | abrotman | th1: that's your fault :) |
| 22:40.45 | abrotman | th1: i got rid of qmail as soon as i could (existing install at my company) |
| 22:40.47 | th1 | indeed :) but it was many years ago, don't blame me too hard ok;) |
| 22:40.57 | abrotman | even six years ago postfix was better |
| 22:41.06 | Guerin | part of me wants to install citadel, but can't for the same reason |
| 22:41.16 | pickcoder | !start mta war |
| 22:41.16 | th1 | postfix was up-and-coming, qmail was pretty proven |
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| 22:41.26 | Guerin | proven to be evil and bad |
| 22:41.30 | Guerin | :) |
| 22:41.37 | abrotman | postfix was better than qmail six years ago |
| 22:41.42 | abrotman | easily |
| 22:41.42 | cognitiaclaeves | how do I test ssmtp, then? |
| 22:41.45 | th1 | after I'd struggled with sendmail for 8 years or so qmail was like a revelation |
| 22:41.56 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: send a local user a mail |
| 22:42.04 | pickcoder | geez.. how many times do you have to tell users to log of freaking equipment before they leave.. |
| 22:42.23 | pickcoder | puts in car starter blocking equipment tied to user logons |
| 22:42.29 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: echo "Yes it is." | mailx -s "this is a mail" someuser@whocanreceivemail.com |
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| 22:42.55 | abrotman | pickcoder: time-controlled breaker box :) |
| 22:43.11 | cognitiaclaeves | heh.. no mailx. |
| 22:43.13 | adama | so ummmm when I hit Alt-# on a regular command line it says (arg: #) ....what does that mean? How is it used/useful? |
| 22:43.20 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: don't need it |
| 22:44.01 | th1 | abrotman, also, I'd been to a seminar with Dan and was pretty much taken in with the hype, I plead guilty |
| 22:44.14 | abrotman | sucker |
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| 22:44.25 | abrotman | oh ffs .. |
| 22:44.28 | abrotman | !beat epiphany |
| 22:44.28 | dpkg | beats epiphany with a large stick. |
| 22:44.34 | th1 | since I'd been had with a few boxen broken by their sendmail and qmail's stated goal was to get rid of buffer overflow hacks |
| 22:45.07 | cognitiaclaeves | it says it can't open port 25. |
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| 22:45.20 | pickcoder | it's like punishing a puppy with a sock for tearing up your shoes |
| 22:45.31 | cognitiaclaeves | or... more specifically, send-mail: Cannot open mail:25 |
| 22:45.48 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: netstat punta |grep 25 |
| 22:45.49 | th1 | pickcoder, punishing a puppy with a sock sounds a bit mean |
| 22:45.50 | pickcoder | cognitiaclaeves: where is "mail" |
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| 22:45.57 | zxxd | hi |
| 22:45.57 | pickcoder | th1: until you try it.... |
| 22:46.04 | pickcoder | they just _love_ it... |
| 22:46.07 | th1 | lol |
| 22:46.08 | pickcoder | kinda pointless |
| 22:46.18 | zxxd | i have a package that shows up in apt-cache search , but isn't available in packages.debian.org how is it possible? |
| 22:46.25 | zxxd | bandersnatch |
| 22:46.26 | pickcoder | like reminding people to logoff equipment every day |
| 22:46.27 | abrotman | zxxd: third party |
| 22:46.36 | zxxd | oh |
| 22:46.37 | Guerin | \zit's too frumious |
| 22:46.38 | th1 | pickcoder, I only ever punished my dog with talking angry |
| 22:46.42 | th1 | and it worked a charm |
| 22:46.43 | Guerin | zxxd: ^^ |
| 22:46.57 | th1 | then, she is a sweet natured one |
| 22:46.58 | zxxd | abrotman: i have only man non-free and contrib |
| 22:47.10 | abrotman | zxxd: apt-cache policy <pkg> .. paste it |
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| 22:47.28 | pickcoder | time to go home |
| 22:47.43 | cognitiaclaeves | Guerin: http://www.pastebin.ca/1082978 |
| 22:48.23 | zxxd | abrotman:http://www.pastebin.ca/1082980 |
| 22:49.34 | abrotman | zxxd: you got it from somewhere else |
| 22:49.38 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: I can't see a good reason why this shouldn't be able to bind to port 25. |
| 22:49.40 | linkslice | i'm trying to reinstall mysql-server but it's not re-creating the /etc/mysql directory, I've passed about every flag I can think of at it but can't seem to find the right one |
| 22:50.02 | th1 | linkslice, did you --purge the old version? |
| 22:50.10 | linkslice | --purge? |
| 22:50.14 | abrotman | linkslice: mysql-common IIRC |
| 22:50.18 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: is this some sort of virtualilsation environment? |
| 22:50.21 | abrotman | !find my.cnf etch |
| 22:50.23 | th1 | linkslice, dpkg --purge <old-version-of-mysql-package> |
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| 22:50.31 | cognitiaclaeves | Guerin: Yes. Is that a problem? |
| 22:50.43 | linkslice | thl no |
| 22:50.50 | abrotman | you don't have to purge it |
| 22:51.03 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'my.cnf' (1): (/etc/mysql/my.cnf) in misc/mysql-common. |
| 22:51.09 | th1 | shouldn't have to no |
| 22:51.14 | abrotman | so why tell him to? |
| 22:51.18 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: not necessarily, it can just do screwy things with the network |
| 22:51.18 | abrotman | !tell linkslice about confmiss |
| 22:51.20 | th1 | I asked him if he did |
| 22:51.23 | zxxd | abrotman: wow , i guess i did :) |
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| 22:51.27 | abrotman | linkslice: and the package is mysql-common |
| 22:51.30 | linkslice | abrotman, mysql-common was the trick...thanks! |
| 22:51.44 | zxxd | sorry |
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| 22:52.12 | th1 | goodnite all |
| 22:52.19 | cognitiaclaeves | nite, th1. |
| 22:52.42 | cognitiaclaeves | Guerin: I am having intermittent networking issues with that VM. |
| 22:52.43 | Guerin | cognitiaclaeves: and I don't know anything about virtualised environments, so I can't do much for you |
| 22:52.48 | Guerin | mm, ok. |
| 22:53.17 | adama | when I hit Alt-# on a regular command line it says (arg: #) ....what does that mean? How is it used/useful? |
| 22:53.51 | Guerin | adama: it does as many of the next keystroke as the # |
| 22:54.07 | Sebboh | Hi. I'd like to install an http proxy package. I've seen several in the repos, but I need advice about which one to use. Most of the packages seem to serve some specific purpose that isn't the traditional one: to get around a firewall. Can someone recommend a proxy package? That supports username/password based auth? |
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| 22:55.06 | Wyzard | Sebboh: I believe Squid is the de-facto standard HTTP proxy for typical uses |
| 22:55.37 | linkslice | abrotman, how do I get the /var/lib/mysql dirs back? |
| 22:55.59 | abrotman | linkslice: reinstall mysql-server ? no idea .. but i'd guess it's part of the initial install |
| 22:56.09 | linkslice | hmmmm |
| 22:56.18 | adama | Guerin: hmmm how is that useful? |
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| 22:56.35 | Sebboh | Wyzard, it's huge. :) I have no need for clustering, or upstream proxies, or anything.. Squid's primary objective is to increase performance (as seen by the end user as she browses the web). |
| 22:56.43 | Guerin | adama: if you need to do lots of a given keystroke? |
| 22:57.04 | Wyzard | Sebboh: Just because it has lots of features doesn't mean you have to use them |
| 22:57.16 | adama | Guerin: I suppose the "backspace" keystroke... |
| 22:57.51 | Sebboh | Or the up arrow keystroke.. Does it work while you're in an ncurses app? (like a text editor?) |
| 22:58.06 | Wyzard | Sebboh: There's also socks4-server (I'm surprised there's no socks5-server, actually) |
| 22:58.10 | adama | Guerin: you can't use it for multiple-key combos eh |
| 22:58.18 | Guerin | adama: i dunno. |
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| 22:59.23 | Sebboh | Wyzard, that surprised me, too! I think that proxies aren't popular in general, in the Linux world. Hell, I don't even want one.. My application isn't working with my customer's infrastructure, so I have to do some testing. :) |
| 22:59.24 | nicholashubbard | hey guys I am trying to create a script that does some apt-get install things for me, and I can't figure out how to disable the package pre-configuration screens.....anyone able to give me a pointer |
| 22:59.24 | adama | Guerin: thanks, I know one more thing today :) |
| 22:59.54 | Sebboh | nicholashubbard, isn't there some --batch option for most of the tools involved? |
| 22:59.55 | Guerin | huzzah! |
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| 23:00.14 | Guerin | nicholashubbard: you can't disable all of them all the time |
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| 23:00.32 | zxxd | abrotman: look debian package http://packages.debian.org/etch-m68k/net/bandersnatch |
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| 23:00.53 | abrotman | zxxd: and? |
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| 23:01.06 | abrotman | nicholashubbard: you could try to copy debconf settings |
| 23:01.08 | Guerin | you can set the debconf priority to high, so it only asks you the most important things, and you can pipe it through yes to make it answer yes to everything, but that won't catch 'em all |
| 23:01.14 | Guerin | !cron-apt |
| 23:01.15 | dpkg | i heard cron-apt is a highly configurable tool that can help keep your box up to date. By default, it downloads new updates and emails the list of available packages. It can also automatically install packages if you trust that security.debian.org will never have broken package or if you have your farm of machines working off a local mirror that you seed with updated packages after your own testing. Ask me about <cron-apt tips> <auto update> |
| 23:01.24 | Guerin | or you can use cron-apt, but it's usually unwise |
| 23:01.36 | nicholashubbard | we are moving to an ldap configuration and I am going to have to install the ldap authentication package on around 100 servers, was wanting to script it out.....as I would had to have to even run the command on all 100 servers |
| 23:02.09 | linkslice | abrotman, this did the trick :-) for i in $(dpkg --get-selections | grep mysql | awk '{print $1}') ; do apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install $i ; done |
| 23:02.15 | zxxd | abrotman: but it isn't avaiable when i do a search for the package |
| 23:02.17 | abrotman | uh .. eww :) |
| 23:02.25 | linkslice | lol |
| 23:02.28 | linkslice | it worked |
| 23:02.29 | abrotman | zxxd: i have no idea where you got it |
| 23:02.40 | zxxd | /msg find http://ftp.debian.org etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:02.40 | zxxd | W: Couldn't stat source package list h |
| 23:02.41 | zxxd | er |
| 23:02.43 | zxxd | sorry |
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| 23:02.53 | abrotman | nicholashubbard: man debconf-get-selections ? |
| 23:02.57 | abrotman | nicholashubbard: man debconf-set-selections ? |
| 23:03.00 | abrotman | nicholashubbard: maybe |
| 23:03.20 | nicholashubbard | ok thanks |
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| 23:04.09 | zxxd | i dont understand why it's only avaiable for m68k |
| 23:04.19 | zxxd | http://packages.debian.org/etch-m68k/bandersnatch |
| 23:05.12 | Maulkin | zxxd: bug #429110 |
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| 23:06.26 | Maulkin | Adn http://bugs.debian.org/442046 |
| 23:06.27 | asoifaosdf | what distros have SELinux in them? |
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| 23:09.26 | zxxd | Maulkin: it says it was fixed in 0.4-1.2 but there is no 1.2 in the pool only 0.4-1.1 |
| 23:09.28 | deadcat | whats the diff between WPA2 personal/enterprise/personal mixed/enterprise mixed? |
| 23:09.37 | asoifaosdf | and how do you disable this peice of shit satan from NSA |
| 23:09.50 | asoifaosdf | how do you disable SELinux in Debian |
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| 23:10.30 | Guerin | adama: it's not enabled by default, so ,... |
| 23:10.46 | Wyzard | deadcat: personal is is another name for PSK, pre-shared key -- WPA with a password |
| 23:10.53 | Wyzard | deadcat: enterprise uses PKI certificates |
| 23:11.16 | deadcat | Wyzard: thanks |
| 23:11.27 | Pavlz | finished download of 15,1 gb GNU/linux Debian |
| 23:11.37 | deadcat | Wyzard: and i should just use TKIP instead of AES? |
| 23:11.46 | Wyzard | deadcat: The "mixed" I would guess means supporting WPA1 too, but I'm not sure of that |
| 23:11.58 | deadcat | Wyzard: ah. |
| 23:11.59 | Guerin | Pavlz: congratulations, you now have a copy of the biggest OS in the world |
| 23:12.08 | Wyzard | deadcat: AES instead of TKIP is the (main) difference between WPA2 and WPA1 |
| 23:12.19 | Nyle | Guerin! |
| 23:12.29 | Nyle | hey tool |
| 23:12.31 | Nyle | whats up! |
| 23:12.38 | Nyle | Guerin, I got me a us citizenship! |
| 23:12.39 | asoifaosdf | ladies and gets Debian is loaded with NSA backdoors |
| 23:12.40 | Pavlz | these are only the binaries, now the source |
| 23:12.42 | asoifaosdf | SELINUX |
| 23:12.46 | asoifaosdf | disable it |
| 23:12.49 | Nyle | backdoors? |
| 23:12.50 | Guerin | Nyle: how much did that cost? |
| 23:12.50 | deadcat | Wyzard: WPA1 doesnt support TKIP? |
| 23:13.01 | Nyle | Guerin, ehh.. I think 250$ for the application fees |
| 23:13.03 | Nyle | thats about it |
| 23:13.13 | Guerin | bargain |
| 23:13.13 | mordy_ | deadcat - still with the wep? |
| 23:13.19 | Nyle | Guerin, OH YEAH |
| 23:13.21 | Wyzard | deadcat: TKIP is the best that could still be hardware-accelerated on devices built for WEP... AES is stronger but isn't hardware-accelerated on older cards |
| 23:13.22 | Nyle | oops |
| 23:13.31 | Nyle | Guerin, this past summer they raised it to 1000$ |
| 23:13.33 | deadcat | mordy_: just started to test.. i was working on my bike for a while |
| 23:13.39 | mordy_ | oh |
| 23:13.39 | Nyle | Guerin, I filed 1 week before :D |
| 23:13.52 | trinux | if you choose the CPUFreq governor for a kernel, is it better for a desktop system to pick "performance" or "userspace"? |
| 23:13.56 | Guerin | do you feel more free now? |
| 23:13.58 | Nyle | use tkip + aes on wpa2 |
| 23:13.59 | Nyle | why not |
| 23:14.05 | Nyle | Guerin, no, but i can bring my GF to american now |
| 23:14.05 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:14.08 | deadcat | Nyle: ya? |
| 23:14.09 | Guerin | trinux: performance |
| 23:14.16 | Nyle | deadcat, yessir |
| 23:14.18 | Guerin | Nyle: i thought you'd decided not to? |
| 23:14.23 | deadcat | Nyle: no drawback eh? |
| 23:14.24 | trinux | aye! |
| 23:14.24 | Nyle | wpa2 with weak key can be fucked |
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| 23:14.33 | Nyle | Guerin, I only want a pakistani girl |
| 23:14.38 | Nyle | Guerin, not the same one, but another |
| 23:14.41 | Guerin | ... |
| 23:14.44 | Wyzard | deadcat: WPA1 uses TKIP only |
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| 23:14.50 | Nyle | Guerin, I've never been single more than like... 1 week.. I went a month, now I got another girl |
| 23:14.53 | mordy_ | pakistany girl? |
| 23:14.54 | Wyzard | deadcat: WPA2 is meant to be used with AES, but can also use TKIP |
| 23:14.55 | mordy_ | i* |
| 23:15.00 | Nyle | offtopic |
| 23:15.01 | Nyle | nm me |
| 23:15.04 | Nyle | sorry |
| 23:15.10 | Nyle | Guerin, feel free to msg me :) |
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| 23:15.15 | SexyKen | Hey ya'll - how can I create (like mkfs.ext3) an xfs partition? |
| 23:15.18 | deadcat | Wyzard: gotcha |
| 23:15.19 | SexyKen | file system rather |
| 23:15.22 | Nyle | mkfs.xfs |
| 23:15.28 | Nyle | install xfs fs tools |
| 23:15.31 | Nyle | i forgot the package name |
| 23:15.38 | Nyle | unless its built into kernel |
| 23:15.42 | SexyKen | xfsprogs? |
| 23:15.45 | Nyle | yes thats it |
| 23:15.50 | Wyzard | Nyle: congratulations btw |
| 23:15.54 | Nyle | Wyzard, thanks buddy |
| 23:16.29 | cognitiaclaeves | FYI, Guerin, I had to put an actual SMTP server in the ssmtp.conf file. It works now. |
| 23:16.35 | Nyle | ssmtp? |
| 23:16.37 | Nyle | secure? |
| 23:16.47 | Nyle | huh, cool, I am been under a rock! |
| 23:17.03 | cognitiaclaeves | ( No idea what it is going to do when it attempts to forward mail to a user, though. ) |
| 23:17.18 | cognitiaclaeves | No nyle. |
| 23:17.24 | Nyle | oh |
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| 23:17.27 | Nyle | !ssmtp |
| 23:17.28 | dpkg | ssmtp is, like, an extremely simple MTA to get mail off the system to a mailhub |
| 23:17.29 | cognitiaclaeves | ssmtp = mail relay |
| 23:17.33 | Nyle | oh |
| 23:17.36 | Nyle | i thought i twas secure smtp |
| 23:17.37 | cognitiaclaeves | simple. |
| 23:17.40 | Nyle | got ya |
| 23:17.54 | Nyle | but thats usually what the 's' denotes, I misunderstood |
| 23:18.01 | Nyle | that shows you how much i know about linux! ha |
| 23:19.53 | Nyle | !ati |
| 23:19.53 | dpkg | To use an ATI graphics card with Debian, ask me about <fglrx>, <radeon>, and <radeonhd>. |
| 23:20.15 | Nyle | Guerin, i got some new stuff |
| 23:20.28 | Nyle | !tell Guerin -about nyle.debian.wallpapers |
| 23:20.54 | Nyle | Guerin, rosey pink is latest one, you probably have not seen it yet |
| 23:21.20 | Nyle | check it out |
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| 23:23.13 | Nyle | Guerin, btw, I dropped the charges |
| 23:23.27 | Corwin | If a machine has bad memory, after the ram is replaced is there a way to have dpkg scan all files to verify the checksums are correct? |
| 23:23.30 | Nyle | Guerin, just so you know |
| 23:23.43 | Nyle | Corwin, that shouldn't matter... |
| 23:23.53 | Guerin | Nyle: so perhaps you are a reasonable human being after all |
| 23:24.06 | Nyle | Guerin, of course I am |
| 23:24.11 | Corwin | having corrupted files shouldn't matter? |
| 23:24.12 | Nyle | Guerin, and thank YOU for that :) |
| 23:24.20 | Nyle | Corwin, files would get corrupted how? |
| 23:24.21 | Guerin | !aww |
| 23:24.22 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 23:24.29 | Corwin | Installed with bad memory |
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| 23:25.14 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 23:25.20 | Nyle | hello |
| 23:25.28 | Ace2016_- | nvm, i think theres a better place to ask this |
| 23:26.01 | Nyle | Guerin, not free.. but I can vote now, and run for vice president! |
| 23:26.02 | Nyle | :) |
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| 23:27.11 | newsense | i never voted but mght try it once |
| 23:27.46 | Guerin | do you know anything about the casndidates' policies? |
| 23:27.46 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:27.47 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:28.06 | trinux | yes, yes! lets chat on #debian-offtopic |
| 23:28.06 | Corwin | why? In America the debold machines are all rigged. Maybe voting for a city official might be fair |
| 23:29.02 | Nyle | thats fantastic |
| 23:29.08 | Nyle | moving on... |
| 23:29.29 | Pavlz | hetre i am |
| 23:29.32 | Nyle | Corwin, I'm not able to understand how you would have corrupted files |
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| 23:30.13 | Corwin | Nyle: I'm anal and would like to verify none of my files have been corrupted |
| 23:30.27 | abrotman | Corwin: apt-cache show debsums |
| 23:30.59 | Corwin | none of the files that orginated in a .deb file anyway. I realize that config files are much much more likely to be affected |
| 23:31.03 | Nyle | Corwin, that doesn't answer my question. |
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| 23:32.48 | Pavlz | if a person would put a dispotition a server to download a distribution, which are the necessity of hard drive and ram ? |
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| 23:33.24 | Corwin | Nyle: The system was upgraded with bad memory. bits went from a deb file into memory to the HD. Is your point that after it was written it was checksumed and if there was corruption then apt/dpkg would have errored? |
| 23:33.26 | gnunixguy | Pavlz? dispotition a server? |
| 23:33.26 | Wyzard | Pavlz: Your English is difficult to understand |
| 23:33.33 | Nyle | Pavlz, install guide contains the information |
| 23:33.41 | Nyle | Pavlz, minimum system requirements |
| 23:33.45 | abrotman | Pavlz: really .. use the #debian-it .. your english is very hard to understand |
| 23:34.05 | Nyle | Do you guys think that he might be using a translator service? |
| 23:34.14 | Pavlz | are all sleeping |
| 23:34.29 | Corwin | abrotman: Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for |
| 23:34.33 | Nyle | Pavlz, try also on irc.oftc.net #debian-it |
| 23:34.47 | gnunixguy | he needs 800 exabytes of storage and 3 petabytes of ram plus 5000 xeon x3054 quad core procs to make it work |
| 23:35.00 | Pavlz | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.21 | gnunixguy | nah, i just want a server like that :) |
| 23:35.25 | abrotman | Pavlz: for WHAT? |
| 23:35.46 | abrotman | Pavlz: there is also #linux-it |
| 23:35.50 | Nyle | !mmhr |
| 23:35.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, mmhr is Meeting Minimum Hardware Requirments per Debian 4.0 i386 install guide <ig> at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 23:35.51 | gnunixguy | Pavlz, what's the specs on the system youre using now? |
| 23:35.59 | Nyle | I knew i had created a fucking factoid for it |
| 23:36.03 | Nyle | just took a minute to recall |
| 23:36.19 | abrotman | i don't think he's asking about debian |
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| 23:36.28 | Nyle | thats what I gathered... |
| 23:36.33 | Ace2016_- | would using PAE extensions boost performance in virtualbox? |
| 23:36.36 | Nyle | then again its his english |
| 23:36.44 | Nyle | Ace2016_-, no |
| 23:36.54 | Ace2016_- | what does it do? |
| 23:36.55 | gnunixguy | Ace, no, it'll just let you use all your ram |
| 23:36.56 | Nyle | Ace2016_-, how do you suppose that would help |
| 23:36.57 | mmnicolas | he is wondering what a the system requirements to host a debian mirror |
| 23:36.59 | abrotman | !tell Ace2016_- about pae |
| 23:37.07 | Nyle | mmnicolas, oh |
| 23:37.14 | mmnicolas | *what are the |
| 23:37.31 | abrotman | mmnicolas: i don't think so |
| 23:37.33 | gnunixguy | a big internet pipe and a webserver? |
| 23:37.36 | Ace2016_- | ah ok i thought it was a special vm thing, i knew i had heard it before |
| 23:37.36 | Nyle | lol |
| 23:37.38 | Nyle | pipe |
| 23:37.43 | gnunixguy | hehe |
| 23:37.52 | Pavlz | 200 gb and 1 gb of ram ? |
| 23:38.06 | mmnicolas | abrotman: im pretty sure, he wants to "serve distribution" |
| 23:38.08 | Nyle | 80gb is fine |
| 23:38.10 | cognitiaclaeves | is there a way to see what ssmtp is relaying out? ssmtp didn't work without pointing to an actual SMTP server, but then I think it is sending out local mail to the SMTP server, which is not likely to know how to deliver to 'root' or 'user' .... |
| 23:38.25 | Nyle | disposition? |
| 23:38.29 | Nyle | I give up! |
| 23:38.29 | abrotman | doesn't see it .. but whatever |
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| 23:38.49 | mordy_ | dis petition is da bomb |
| 23:39.02 | mmnicolas | put to disposition = make available |
| 23:39.13 | Pavlz | i the future i would to buy more bandwidth |
| 23:39.25 | abrotman | Pavlz: debian.org/mirrors .. says what you need IIRC |
| 23:39.31 | Nyle | Pavlz, "in the future I would like to buy more bandwidth" |
| 23:39.32 | gnunixguy | hey, can i install kde4.1 from experimental and leave my kde 3.5.9 install in tact? |
| 23:39.33 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:39.44 | abrotman | gnunixguy: no |
| 23:39.49 | gnunixguy | gah! |
| 23:39.51 | gnunixguy | that blows :( |
| 23:40.02 | Nyle | gnunixguy, dude just build it from svn |
| 23:40.06 | Nyle | call it a fucking day |
| 23:40.09 | mordy_ | disposition is more akin to 'inclination' or 'temperament' though, more like an orientation to something rather than the thing itself |
| 23:40.09 | mmnicolas | Nyle: what's so inunderstandable ? :P |
| 23:40.10 | abrotman | or just don't use it at all |
| 23:40.11 | Nyle | or build rc1 |
| 23:40.21 | Nyle | mmnicolas, w/e |
| 23:40.35 | Nyle | gnunixguy, if you want to give incomplete and crashy kde 4.1, try kubuntu |
| 23:40.44 | trinux | what do you have to do when you "make xconfig" and it cannot connect to the X server of my current user? |
| 23:41.00 | gnunixguy | Nyle, ive already played with it on opensuse :) |
| 23:41.06 | abrotman | trinux: you're compiling as root ? |
| 23:41.10 | Pavlz | i want to see if there one intentioned to offer for a good price a good bandwidth |
| 23:41.11 | gnunixguy | but yeah, its not ready for my main desktop i dont suppose |
| 23:41.13 | mmnicolas | mordy_: this is right in english, if someone tries to speak english and mistranslate, he might want to carry the meaning |
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| 23:41.17 | gnunixguy | i need amarok 2 first |
| 23:41.55 | helo | how do i force X to ignore the device horizsync and vertrefresh settings? the deice is telling me HorizSync 51-49 and VertRefresh 55-51, which doesn't even make sense |
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| 23:42.30 | mordy_ | mnicolas - but in truth if we wish to be etymologically correct and pedantic in a non-linguistic sense, then indeed the italian has more of a 'right' over the word than english does |
| 23:42.42 | acidslep | which word |
| 23:42.50 | mordy_ | disposition |
| 23:42.51 | mmnicolas | disposition :P |
| 23:43.04 | acidslep | ohh fun |
| 23:43.08 | mmnicolas | mordy_: im french, and i can easily understand this dude |
| 23:43.08 | Nyle | helo, you can't |
| 23:43.19 | Nyle | helo, just don't specify it in xorg.conf and the correct settings should be used |
| 23:43.26 | Nyle | helo, what says xrandr -q |
| 23:43.58 | trinux | abrotman: i will use make-kpkg later on another machine. here on the desktop i only wanna do the "make xconfig" |
| 23:44.00 | Nyle | X now autodetects stuff, finally. I've been waiting for this shit for a long time. Or you can actually specify which freq. you'd like to use in xorg.conf |
| 23:44.01 | mmnicolas | Pavlz: i don't think anybody sells bandwidth in here |
| 23:44.14 | abrotman | trinux: as root ? |
| 23:44.21 | mordy_ | *cough* *cough* mnicolas. canadien |
| 23:44.26 | acidslep | hehe |
| 23:44.35 | Nyle | whats wrong with being canadian? |
| 23:44.39 | Nyle | grow up? |
| 23:44.44 | mordy_ | hehe, he just may offend any frenchmen here |
| 23:44.50 | trinux | abrotman: i am supposed to do it as root, or could i "chown" to my current user and do it with that user? |
| 23:44.56 | Nyle | we have tons of french folks in Louisiana |
| 23:44.58 | acidslep | im french-canadian |
| 23:44.59 | abrotman | no .. do it as your user |
| 23:45.04 | helo | Nyle: can't open display |
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| 23:45.18 | helo | Nyle: this is etch |
| 23:45.20 | Nyle | xrandr can't open display? you have xinerama enabled? |
| 23:45.29 | trinux | abrotman: i started doing it as root cause /usr/src is only usable by root |
| 23:45.30 | Nyle | oh i have absolutely no experience with etch/X |
| 23:45.34 | helo | it can't start x because no suitable screens are found |
| 23:45.40 | abrotman | trinux: sux ? |
| 23:45.41 | mordy_ | will just stay out of the french issue |
| 23:45.41 | Nyle | helo, pastebin your xorg.conf please |
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| 23:46.17 | Nyle | helo, also check /var/log/Xorg.*.log |
| 23:46.36 | trinux | ah, nice idea |
| 23:47.01 | helo | this conf has worked previously |
| 23:47.04 | acidslep | whats the diffrence between 686 and 486? |
| 23:47.12 | Nyle | acidslep, cpu optimizations |
| 23:47.20 | acidslep | where can i read about it |
| 23:47.22 | Nyle | acidslep, read the package descriptions |
| 23:47.34 | Nyle | acidslep, packages.debian.org or /usr/share/doc/pkgname |
| 23:47.44 | mordy_ | so 686 isn't an actual architecture - is it? |
| 23:48.30 | Wyzard | mordy_: 686 is a processor family within the IA-32 (aka x86) architecture |
| 23:48.48 | acidslep | what about 486? |
| 23:48.59 | Wyzard | same |
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| 23:49.24 | mordy_ | i guess the newer pentium processors are 686, whereas the older ones are 486 |
| 23:49.56 | acidslep | >< where can i read more about it? |
| 23:50.17 | acidslep | i dont have pkgname |
| 23:50.34 | Corwin | mordy_: The newer processors are past i686 |
| 23:50.50 | Corwin | i686 ~= Pentium 4 |
| 23:50.56 | mordy_ | hmm... |
| 23:51.37 | acidslep | so the number indicates a certain "family" of processors? |
| 23:52.05 | Guerin | acidslep: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86 |
| 23:52.07 | mordy_ | Corwin - does that correspond to intel's 6xx etc. family processors? |
| 23:52.34 | Corwin | I think i686 started with the Pentium Pro..... |
| 23:52.39 | Guerin | it did |
| 23:53.35 | Corwin | There are different extensions that have been slapped on here and there too. The core duo's have virtuilization extensions that the i686 cpu's do not |
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| 23:55.46 | mordy_ | hmm.. could this MSI wind be 64 bit? i'd be surprised |
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| 23:58.57 | mordy_ | meh, it's not |
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