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| 00:01.37 | acidslep | ghmm |
| 00:01.41 | acidslep | hm |
| 00:02.02 | acidslep | oh guys |
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| 00:02.20 | acidslep | about security updates in aptitude |
| 00:02.49 | acidslep | are those selected dynamicly |
| 00:03.33 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:03.44 | acidslep | selected accoring do what packages need to be updated |
| 00:04.12 | abrotman | if you run aptitude update .. and you have security sources .. and the package installed, and then run aptitude upgrade .. you should at least see that there's a package upgrade |
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| 00:07.43 | rouslan_ | I installed Debian with the wrong time set (the year is completely incorrect - 1998); should I invoke "touch */*" to update all files to the current, correctly-set time? |
| 00:08.53 | abrotman | does it really matter? |
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| 00:09.14 | rouslan_ | abrotman: It wouldn't cause any conflicts? |
| 00:09.16 | kmeyer | how do I view the list of files installed by a package? |
| 00:09.26 | abrotman | kmeyer: apt-file or dpkg -L |
| 00:09.31 | abrotman | rouslan_: conflict? |
| 00:09.33 | kmeyer | thanks |
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| 00:09.38 | abrotman | rouslan_: it's better than being in the future :) |
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| 00:09.53 | rouslan_ | lol ok, thanks. |
| 00:09.56 | Toad | does anyone have java7 running on etch/amd64? |
| 00:10.50 | abrotman | 6 ? |
| 00:11.02 | Toad | abrotman: 7 |
| 00:11.07 | Toad | beta |
| 00:12.01 | Wyzard | Toad: OpenJDK went into sid recently |
| 00:12.08 | Wyzard | Toad: but I haven't heard of anything actually named "Java 7" yet |
| 00:12.09 | Toad | Wyzard: I'd rather use the Sun one |
| 00:12.14 | Toad | http://download.java.net/jdk7/docs/build/README-builds.html |
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| 00:12.23 | kmeyer | Wyzard: icedtea tracks java 7 |
| 00:13.09 | Wyzard | kmeyer: My understanding was that icedtea basically is what'll eventually become Java 7 |
| 00:13.25 | kmeyer | right |
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| 00:13.50 | Corwin | would rather run yelling and screaming from Java |
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| 00:15.53 | Toad | Corwin: sometimes it's a necessary evil |
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| 00:16.26 | Corwin | Toad: I know, I still don't like it however |
| 00:17.17 | Toad | and in this case java7 is a necessary version of a necessary evil, heh |
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| 00:17.50 | Corwin | That's one way of looking at it... Is java7 open source? |
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| 00:18.32 | nicholashubbard | hey guys, I'm trying to run sudo echo "File contents" > file but it seems to want to run the > after the sudo finishes and the regular user doesn't have rights to that file. you guys know of any easy way to accomplish this |
| 00:18.48 | Toad | Corwin: yep, compiling it now |
| 00:19.29 | kmeyer | nicholashubbard: sudo -s |
| 00:19.47 | Corwin | Toad: cool, hopefully with it being open source it will become.. shall we say... something that works on a more often than not basis |
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| 00:21.19 | nicholashubbard | kmeyer: thanks but trying to handle it from a script so just opening a shell isn't any good |
| 00:21.37 | CustomGT | nicholos isnt it >> |
| 00:21.40 | kmeyer | nicholashubbard: su -c 'echo "foo" > bar' |
| 00:21.44 | kmeyer | CustomGT: no, that's append |
| 00:22.02 | kmeyer | nicholashubbard: that's not entirely the same thing; do you care about the difference between su and sudo? |
| 00:22.34 | nicholashubbard | sadly, we don't have su access so it has to be with sudo, I thought about doing sudo su -c 'command' as a way around that though |
| 00:22.48 | kmeyer | nicholashubbard: that might work |
| 00:25.15 | Corwin | sudo su always works for me |
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| 00:26.14 | Corwin | that's the first thing I do working on an Ubuntu system, typing sudo all the time when fixing a friends problem is annoying |
| 00:26.54 | cloakable | Corwin: indeed |
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| 00:27.03 | nicholashubbard | kmeyer: yeah looks like a sudo su -c "command" did the trick |
| 00:27.12 | kmeyer | excellent |
| 00:27.25 | nicholashubbard | trying to automate all of this setup is becoming a pain, but should be worth it in the end |
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| 00:27.34 | kmeyer | heh |
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| 00:28.28 | tweakism | If I only have section 'main' in my sources.list for say, stable.. for the security updates line, should I have only section 'main', or should I have all the sections? |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | tweakism: you can do either |
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| 00:29.11 | tweakism | abrotman: which /should/ I do? |
| 00:29.21 | hatter | what is it i have do when changing kernels on a s/w RAID ? update the initrd ? |
| 00:29.55 | tweakism | I mean, if I have all the sections on the updates line, do I risk installing packages from updates/contrib w/o deps from stable/contrib... and if I have only section 'main' on the updates line, do I risk missing updates for packages in stable/main that are in updates/contrib? |
| 00:30.25 | abrotman | tweakism: no point in including security updates for packages you won't get from main sources |
| 00:30.29 | tweakism | hatter: 1) keep the old kernel just in case. 2) yes, you'll need a new initrd, but if you install the kernel The Debian Way it should be autogenerated for you. |
| 00:31.30 | CustomGT | hey can someone tell me if i am understanding rsnapshots correctly: http://pastebin.com/m35ad368d |
| 00:32.40 | hatter | tweakism, the old kernel is working, (which is a newer kernel from kmuto) but i want to try the vanilla kernel and it stops when it gets to assembing the md arrays |
| 00:32.57 | tweakism | hatter: you mean you're compiling your own kernel from vanilla sources? |
| 00:33.03 | tweakism | if so, there's still The Debian Way: make-kpkg |
| 00:33.04 | hatter | tweakism, no |
| 00:33.18 | hatter | tweakism, 2.6.18-6-686 standard kernel |
| 00:33.37 | hatter | after installing using kmutos install with 2.6.25 |
| 00:34.15 | tweakism | I dunno what kmuto is :/ |
| 00:34.33 | tweakism | but yeah, you can generate a new initrd which will use local settings like /etc/modules |
| 00:34.57 | hatter | tweakism, hes the japanese guy that backports kernels for us with etch and newer hardware |
| 00:36.45 | tweakism | there are multiple methods for updating the inird, I'm trying to figure out how to tell you which to use. |
| 00:37.48 | tweakism | I /think/: update-initramfs -k <new kernel version, since you're not running the kernel you want to update> -u -v |
| 00:38.03 | tweakism | I /think/ that will use whichever initrd tools you have told debian to use. |
| 00:38.26 | hatter | ah, thats what i couldnt remember, thx |
| 00:39.41 | acidslep | >< |
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| 00:40.46 | Corwin | why does trying to run wine on a 64 bit system result in: bash: /usr/bin/wine: No such file or directory |
| 00:41.10 | Nyle | is there even wine for amd64? |
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| 00:41.45 | Corwin | Nyle: yes, but it's really 32bit with a dependency on ia32-libs |
| 00:41.50 | Nyle | ah |
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| 00:42.31 | Corwin | however the dependency of ia32-libs (and ia32-libs-gtk) does not allow 32 bit ELF files to execute |
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| 00:43.21 | o2T7 | Hi, I can't start nfs-kernel-server, I get this on dmesg: "RPC: failed to contact local rpcbind server (errno 512).\nrpcbind: server localhost not responding, timed out" |
| 00:43.52 | o2T7 | I installed nfs-common (and started with no errors log) and portmap (the same) |
| 00:44.14 | o2T7 | On sid |
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| 00:48.19 | serkan`c | gn folks |
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| 00:50.36 | Nyle | check the bts first |
| 00:50.40 | Nyle | and make sure you have portmap installed |
| 00:52.17 | o2T7 | Nyle: Portmap is on place and running and nfs-common seems to start fine too, what do you mean with "bts" ? |
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| 00:54.00 | spx2 | salut |
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| 00:54.02 | spx2 | uhm hey |
| 00:54.05 | spx2 | I wanted to ask |
| 00:54.06 | o2T7 | /etc/init.d/portmap stop doesn't respond too (no error logs) |
| 00:54.13 | CustomGT | Everytime i try to log on my cvs server on sourceforget it kicks me out....anyone use this? |
| 00:54.26 | spx2 | I want to buy a server |
| 00:54.33 | spx2 | for running web applications |
| 00:54.38 | spx2 | what should I buy ? |
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| 00:56.08 | spx2 | I mean from my point of view anything that runs the language I'll use will do |
| 00:57.06 | spx2 | but maybe there are some things I haven't thought of |
| 00:57.12 | spx2 | I'll put debian on it that's for sure |
| 00:57.36 | CustomGT | make sure the raid controller is linux compatible |
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| 00:59.26 | spx2 | CustomGT: could you recommend a particular server that has raid controller compatible with linux ? |
| 01:00.28 | Heavy-D | Okay i'm lost. Anybody know how to add another vhost to the default Debian apache2 setup if you already have an existing site? I can't figure it out just by reading the config files |
| 01:02.30 | Gun_Smoke | Some bad gui? saying I have 2 updates.. yet aptitude gives me a clean bill of health? |
| 01:02.34 | Gun_Smoke | Lenny |
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| 01:09.54 | hatter | spx2, you could use s/w RAID |
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| 01:12.14 | Heavy-D | spx2: I've had good luck with Adaptec raid controllers for compatibility so far |
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| 01:20.04 | Heavy-D | okay, who knows how to make iptables start on bootup in debian? 100 dull hairs to the first person who can tell me! |
| 01:20.05 | Heavy-D | lol :P |
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| 01:20.24 | spx2 | Heavy-D , hatter can you recommend a particular model and a brand ? |
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| 01:20.40 | spx2 | the essential condition would be that debian runs smooth on it |
| 01:21.04 | Heavy-D | spx2: if it's only 2 drives i've had luck with the 1220SA from Adaptec. As long as you're running 2.6.20 or later kernel |
| 01:21.34 | Heavy-D | (That's for SATA2 drives though, not sure if you're talking about SCSIs) |
| 01:21.41 | spx2 | Heavy-D: I was reffering to the whole server model and brand |
| 01:21.45 | spx2 | Heavy-D: like these http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/en/WF04a/15351-15351-241434-241646-3328424.html |
| 01:21.52 | cognitiaclaeves | can anyone help me configure nullmailer? It's giving me fits... |
| 01:21.57 | spx2 | Heavy-D: like HP ProLiant ML115 G5 for example .. |
| 01:22.35 | Heavy-D | spx2: Ah, well where I work we use almost exclusively IBM servers. We only have one HP server, although it is running Debian |
| 01:22.59 | Dr_Link | #xorg fails, and is waaay to idle. |
| 01:23.00 | Dr_Link | I su'ed to the root user on a fresh install of a Debian system--and I decided I'd install X. I type "startx" at the prompt as a regular user... and the screen blanks for a few seconds, but then it says about 10 errors about not being able to load from the Fonts directory, and then "fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer)." What gives? |
| 01:23.18 | Heavy-D | It's a Proliant DL320 G3 from like 3 years ago though, so not exactly current. Runs and runs and runs though |
| 01:23.44 | spx2 | Heavy-D: oh that's nice to hear :) |
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| 01:24.17 | Heavy-D | spx2: It's got the longest uptime of any of our servers, but then again a lot of our boxes are Windows servers |
| 01:24.18 | Heavy-D | hehe |
| 01:24.32 | spx2 | :) |
| 01:24.42 | spx2 | Heavy-D: so if you would buy now a server that would have to run debian smoothly |
| 01:24.50 | spx2 | Heavy-D: what brand/model would you go for ? |
| 01:25.02 | Corwin | once had a NT4.0rc5 machine with an uptime of 180 days. I think that's a world record. |
| 01:25.04 | Heavy-D | For myself personally, or for a business? |
| 01:25.12 | deus___ | gn8 =) |
| 01:25.24 | spx2 | Heavy-D: like ... for a business server |
| 01:26.05 | Corwin | I would use an Abit/Gigabyte/Tyan motherboard and an Intel Quadcore |
| 01:26.30 | Heavy-D | Honestly, you can't really go wrong with IBM, HP, or Sun servers. All of them are damn nice. I can only vouch for IBMs though because thats almost all we use |
| 01:26.55 | Heavy-D | My server at home.... is a Debian-running Mac-mini |
| 01:26.56 | Heavy-D | lol |
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| 01:27.52 | spx2 | Mac-mini ? |
| 01:27.55 | spx2 | is that good ? |
| 01:27.57 | Heavy-D | lol |
| 01:28.07 | Heavy-D | as a server? no. |
| 01:28.26 | Heavy-D | but it's a hell of a lot quieter for my apartment than my full tower or rack servers |
| 01:29.11 | Heavy-D | spx2: Honestly those HP's you linked look pretty nice |
| 01:29.18 | Corwin | has two full racks in his bedroom. I HATE moving |
| 01:29.28 | Heavy-D | feels Corwin's pain. |
| 01:29.45 | quagga | how many racks do you have in the rest of your house? |
| 01:30.24 | Corwin | just the bedroom. |
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| 01:30.43 | Corwin | my desk sits perfectly between them |
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| 01:31.35 | Heavy-D | I've got to go in to work tomorrow because they're shutting off power to the entire building for 8+ hours. blehc. |
| 01:31.36 | Corwin | the rest of the house has guitar stacks and racks ;) |
| 01:31.37 | Heavy-D | *blech. |
| 01:31.48 | kmeyer | Heavy-D: huge UPS? |
| 01:31.55 | Heavy-D | Nope, everything's going down. lol |
| 01:32.01 | kmeyer | buy one :D |
| 01:32.13 | Heavy-D | We can't justify the cost of it right now |
| 01:32.17 | quagga | yeah, all of my computers are actually in my dinning room. keeps the bedroom nice and quiet |
| 01:32.22 | Heavy-D | My boss wouldn't approve the upgrade for one. |
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| 01:32.48 | abrotman | suggests #debian-offtopic |
| 01:32.52 | Corwin | The only thing I couldn't sleep through was the Northridge earthquake |
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| 01:33.14 | Heavy-D | still doesn't know how to start up iptables in Debian. |
| 01:33.20 | Heavy-D | lol |
| 01:33.36 | Heavy-D | /sbin/iptables start doesn't work |
| 01:33.43 | Heavy-D | anybody know? |
| 01:33.44 | abrotman | either write an initscript or use the pre-up |
| 01:33.53 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 01:33.53 | dpkg | i heard iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: <masq>, or try #iptables (irc.freenode.net) for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read http://www.howtoforge.com/node/450 |
| 01:33.58 | Wyzard | Heavy-D: Use a firewall package such as FireHOL |
| 01:34.04 | quagga | i have my own iptables script which is fired off by /etc/rc.local |
| 01:34.31 | Heavy-D | abrotman: I wish they would update that.. things areh't the same now from Sarge are they? |
| 01:34.41 | abrotman | nope ... |
| 01:34.46 | abrotman | update what? |
| 01:34.52 | abrotman | read /usr/share/docs/iptables/ |
| 01:35.06 | Heavy-D | abrotman: whoops, thanks *blushes* |
| 01:35.08 | Corwin | I thought iptables was part of the kernel and didn;t need tp be started |
| 01:35.25 | Wyzard | Corwin: it is |
| 01:35.26 | abrotman | you can still have the iptables-save/iptables-restore |
| 01:35.42 | Wyzard | Corwin: "starting" iptables really just means loading a set of rules |
| 01:35.47 | quagga | Corwin: there is a userland utility that loads the rules as well. i believe they're discussing loading/saving the rules |
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| 01:36.08 | Heavy-D | abrotman: /usr/share/docs/iptables doesn't exist.. am I missing something? (iptables is installed) |
| 01:36.15 | kmeyer | -s |
| 01:36.20 | kmeyer | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:36.29 | Heavy-D | ah |
| 01:36.43 | cognitiaclaeves | abrotman: Are you a nullmailer user? ssmtp came || that close to being what i needed, but stopped short of sending to an SMTP server mail to users local to this system only. I'm trying to get nullmailer working, but it's just telling me that I'm not addressing my mail properly. |
| 01:37.10 | abrotman | cognitiaclaeves: you want a smarthost ? |
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| 01:37.30 | cognitiaclaeves | I don't know. Is a smart host an STMP server? |
| 01:37.58 | cognitiaclaeves | let me answer that another way -- |
| 01:38.12 | cognitiaclaeves | I want to be able to get the messages that at sends when it completes a job.. |
| 01:38.19 | cognitiaclaeves | I don't care about anything else. |
| 01:38.43 | cognitiaclaeves | ssmtp didn't work because at sends to a local username... |
| 01:38.59 | cognitiaclaeves | local usernames don't resolve on SMTP servers that don't know the users... |
| 01:39.06 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 01:39.06 | dpkg | A smart host is a type of mail relay server (typically your ISP SMTP server) which allows an SMTP server to route e-mail to an intermediate mail server rather than directly to the recipientâs server. |
| 01:39.34 | cognitiaclaeves | no, that doesn't sound right. |
| 01:40.08 | quagga | cognitiaclaeves: are the messages going to the local mail on the machine or off to another system? |
| 01:40.19 | cognitiaclaeves | I just want this local host to be able to send email out, and to be smart enough not to send it out as localuser or localuser@rewritten domain. |
| 01:40.45 | cognitiaclaeves | quagga: Preferably they are being relayed to the STMP server supported here. |
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| 01:41.35 | cognitiaclaeves | I would even be happy if ALL mail sent out went to only one internet address... |
| 01:41.45 | quagga | ah. i just use postfix for that |
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| 01:42.08 | cognitiaclaeves | It's on a VM. Don't want a full-blown MTA for that purpose. |
| 01:42.14 | abrotman | how many local users are you going to have? |
| 01:42.31 | cognitiaclaeves | Not more than 5. Probably only 2-3. |
| 01:42.45 | abrotman | but the only email is for root ? |
| 01:42.50 | quagga | mine is also on a VPS. it just forwards 1-2 email a day off to google apps |
| 01:43.37 | cognitiaclaeves | well, technically, the only email is for the administrator... but jobs could be run as root or as my non root account, but no problem if they all go to the same address. |
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| 01:44.22 | abrotman | you could use a smarthost .. setup the alias (/etc/aliases) .. and send all 'root' mail to a real person in the real smtp server |
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| 01:45.08 | cognitiaclaeves | a smarthost? You mean I could configure postfix to be a smarthost? |
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| 01:46.17 | pythonic | hi! how do i stop syslog messages flooding the console? |
| 01:46.17 | Nyle | hey dudes |
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| 01:46.25 | Nyle | does anyone want to play games? |
| 01:46.28 | Nyle | I'm bored |
| 01:46.36 | pythonic | how about global thermonuclear war? |
| 01:46.38 | Nyle | some fps game in debian? like open arena or osmething |
| 01:46.59 | Nyle | i don't even think anyone is around |
| 01:47.04 | Nyle | friday night, people with lives are out and about |
| 01:47.09 | quagga | enemy-territory is probably a good bet then |
| 01:47.09 | Nyle | doing things and not being home |
| 01:47.14 | pythonic | saturday morning here |
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| 01:48.30 | Nyle | gn |
| 01:48.33 | Nyle | er. |
| 01:48.55 | Nyle | !+info enemy-territory |
| 01:48.57 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:49.07 | kmeyer | enemy-territory is in Debian? |
| 01:49.13 | kmeyer | that's not even open source |
| 01:49.14 | Nyle | I didn't find it |
| 01:49.17 | dpkg | Package 'enemy-territory' does not exist. |
| 01:49.19 | kmeyer | or redistributable |
| 01:49.20 | Nyle | yeh thats what I thought |
| 01:49.29 | kmeyer | well, maybe redistributable |
| 01:49.46 | Nyle | I like open arena |
| 01:49.53 | kmeyer | hmm |
| 01:49.56 | kmeyer | have you tried nexuiz? |
| 01:50.03 | Nyle | its really badass, yes I have, and I like it very much too |
| 01:50.15 | quagga | he didn't ask for open source |
| 01:50.15 | Nyle | I have them all installed |
| 01:50.22 | unixSnob | If i run dpkg --list, I get all packages installed... when I'm actually just interested in seeing what packages I installed directly (IOW, not the dependancy packages).. is that possible? |
| 01:50.22 | Nyle | yes |
| 01:50.22 | Nyle | I did. |
| 01:50.27 | kmeyer | quagga: isn't debian open-source-only? |
| 01:50.36 | Nyle | kmeyer, no |
| 01:50.38 | quagga | kmeyer: no |
| 01:50.40 | Nyle | kmeyer, debian is FS |
| 01:50.50 | Nyle | not the same thing as open source |
| 01:50.54 | kmeyer | and free software is a more exclusive set than open source |
| 01:51.05 | abrotman | unixSnob: do you use aptitude or apt-get ? |
| 01:51.15 | unixSnob | abrotman: aptitude |
| 01:51.22 | Nyle | 09:43 < Nyle> some fps game in debian? like open arena or osmething |
| 01:51.23 | quagga | contrib and non-free are not always open source. i have a lovely binary firmware image driving the wifi in this laptop at the moment |
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| 01:51.52 | Nyle | those are not part of debian, they are provided though |
| 01:52.00 | Nyle | the only debian is it in main |
| 01:52.04 | quagga | whatever |
| 01:52.05 | kmeyer | ah |
| 01:52.23 | kmeyer | Nyle: I'd suggest vavoom but it appears lenny doesn't have it |
| 01:52.32 | Nyle | kmeyer, I've tried it, don't like it |
| 01:52.35 | kmeyer | heh |
| 01:52.36 | kmeyer | alright |
| 01:52.40 | Nyle | kmeyer, though I love doomsday |
| 01:52.44 | abrotman | unixSnob: /msg dpkg installed .. read the aptitude manual |
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| 01:53.03 | unixSnob | abrotman: ty |
| 01:53.14 | Nyle | however, doomsdayhq isn't DFSG compliant, sadly, there is a doomsday NG engine, and me and this other kid are working on |
| 01:53.38 | Nyle | 3 files have code exactly from the raven source, under the raven EULA, sadly enough, that makes it incompatible with debian |
| 01:53.51 | Nyle | but the new fork should be dfsg compliant as soon as we work out the deals |
| 01:54.11 | Nyle | 3 files need coding from scratch to implement the full func. of the engine |
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| 01:55.56 | Nyle | brb |
| 01:56.05 | Nyle | !ping |
| 01:56.06 | dpkg | pong |
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| 01:57.42 | munkyeetr | I am having an issue with my keyboard keypad - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=29111 contains a description of the issue...anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:58.23 | greeg | date is expressed in military time. |
| 01:58.38 | greeg | how do i get it in civilian time. like the clock on my kde bar |
| 01:58.52 | Nyle | %I instead of %H |
| 01:58.56 | abrotman | the 'date' command? read the man page |
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| 01:59.28 | Nyle | or %l |
| 01:59.35 | Nyle | if you don't want a doubledigit |
| 02:01.16 | acu | I have an AMD64 laptop - NVIDIA VGA card - I do not know how to configure it - the xorg.conf is different since I updated lenny with kernel 2.8.25 - how can I reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 02:01.38 | Nyle | dpkg dengng is Doomsday Next Gen engine, a GPL fork of the Doomsday engine, located at http://dengng.bpa.nu/ |
| 02:01.38 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 02:01.50 | Nyle | acu, /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 02:02.13 | greeg | abrotman: but the man page doesent provide exampleon how the format specifiers are used |
| 02:02.34 | Nyle | greeg, date options format |
| 02:02.35 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:02.38 | quagga | acu: i would read the debian wiki page on nvidia drivers if you are using the non-free ones |
| 02:02.42 | greeg | yea |
| 02:02.53 | greeg | date %I |
| 02:02.54 | greeg | date: invalid date `%I' |
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| 02:03.44 | acu | Nyle: what is that msg...? ---- quagga - where is that? I prefer to use the kernel built in drivers if possible - I do not need fancy effects |
| 02:03.59 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:04.11 | Nyle | acu, I don't know |
| 02:04.21 | acu | Nyle: how should I run that msg? |
| 02:04.54 | Nyle | acu, in irc |
| 02:04.59 | Nyle | !drxx |
| 02:04.59 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 02:05.02 | quagga | i usually just dpkg-reconfigure xorg-xserver if I need to change the config. |
| 02:05.08 | Nyle | see this little dude |
| 02:05.12 | Nyle | he is called dpkg |
| 02:05.17 | Nyle | the irc bot in #debian |
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| 02:05.31 | Nyle | send a private mesage to the bot with keyword and it will give you factoid |
| 02:05.34 | Nyle | !dpkgbot |
| 02:05.35 | dpkg | Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. Ask me about <search dpkg> |
| 02:05.39 | c0d3-r3d | isnt there a network install dvd? |
| 02:05.44 | Nyle | no |
| 02:05.46 | Nyle | !netinst |
| 02:05.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
| 02:05.52 | Nyle | you can put it on a dvd if you want |
| 02:05.59 | acu | Nyle: I used that - the problem is that the new xorg.conf is configured different (the content is different) |
| 02:06.01 | abrotman | you know ... you can !tell person about foo |
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| 02:06.17 | quagga | greeg: try date +FORMAT="%blah" |
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| 02:09.31 | greeg | thanx quagga |
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| 02:14.19 | eraldo | is there a site where one can find linux hardware sorted by how good it is? so rather than a huge archive on how to make individual hardware work.. a site where I go if I want to buy a new piece of hardware |
| 02:14.53 | trinux | !hcl |
| 02:14.54 | dpkg | hcl is, like, at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 02:14.58 | eraldo | till now I always did it the other way... fist search for nice hardware... and then look if its compatible with linux... |
| 02:15.15 | trinux | yeah |
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| 02:18.40 | acu | am I right or it seem that for the sake of drivers availability etc is better to buy an Intel Machine rather than an AMD - I have almost all AMDs but there are trivial shortcomings like flash player etc - it is quite non-functional in 2008 not to be able to see movies on internet - since I am thinking to buy other computers - I will appreciate your feedback |
| 02:19.44 | Wyzard | acu: Flash has nothing to do with whether your processor is AMD or Intel |
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| 02:19.52 | roe_ | I have three network interfaces, two of them are bridged together. from either side of the bridge I can get out the third interface but I can't get across to the other side of the bridge |
| 02:20.13 | quagga | acu: i agree with wyzard; flash runs as "well" on my athlon as on my atom |
| 02:20.27 | Wyzard | acu: You may be thinking of the fact that there's no 64-bit Flash |
| 02:20.29 | acu | Wysard - so flash is not available for Intel 64 platforms (OK - I was thinking of Java and others) |
| 02:20.43 | Wyzard | acu: nor a 64-bit Java plugin (though standalone Java apps work fine) |
| 02:20.55 | Wyzard | acu: You'd encounter those issues with 64-bit Debian on either brand of processor |
| 02:21.15 | acu | Wyzard - thanks - |
| 02:22.11 | quagga | yeah, i'm still running 32-bit debian as my home server still has a 32-bit processor |
| 02:22.11 | Wyzard | acu: and both AMD64 and Intel 64 systems can run 32-bit operating systems just fine |
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| 02:23.37 | Wyzard | roe_: Connectivity between the bridged interfaces and the third one is via what, routing? |
| 02:24.00 | roe_ | firehol? |
| 02:24.14 | Wyzard | routing then |
| 02:24.40 | roe_ | I guess, not same subnet so nothing to route really just forward |
| 02:24.42 | Wyzard | Make sure your bridge interface is "up"; bridges probably don't forward traffic while they're down |
| 02:24.57 | roe_ | er not not... it is the same subnet |
| 02:25.03 | Wyzard | and make sure your firehol interface definition is for the bridge interface, not the underlying eth0 or whatever |
| 02:25.10 | roe_ | it is |
| 02:25.11 | roe_ | br0 |
| 02:25.25 | Wyzard | and br0 has an IP, and eth0 and eth1 do not? |
| 02:25.29 | roe_ | correct |
| 02:25.36 | Wyzard | That sounds right, then |
| 02:26.16 | roe_ | does that fact that one of the bridged interfaces is an athX? |
| 02:26.19 | roe_ | make a difference |
| 02:26.39 | Wyzard | oh, very possibly |
| 02:27.06 | Wyzard | I don't know about Atheros hardware, but my Intel ipw2200 doesn't seem to support bridging |
| 02:27.16 | roe_ | the AP works fine |
| 02:27.36 | Wyzard | It has to do with whether the hardware and/or driver is willing to send frames with a source MAC address other than its own |
| 02:28.02 | Wyzard | Apparently many wireless devices don't |
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| 02:28.21 | roe_ | the madwifi driver is supposed to be pretty good |
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| 02:28.42 | Wyzard | so is the ipw2200 driver |
| 02:28.49 | Wyzard | but that doesn't help with what may be a firmware limitation |
| 02:28.57 | abrotman | ath5k! |
| 02:29.18 | Wyzard | I don't know if that's actually your problem, but I'd call it the leading theory |
| 02:29.25 | roe_ | ath5k isn't in etch, just lenny I believe |
| 02:29.56 | shah | still unable to access internet in my debian minimal system :(, im in ubuntu now, can ne one hav a look at n/w details of ubuntu and suggest me a solution for deb..... |
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| 02:30.20 | roe_ | I'll investigate that path a little further |
| 02:31.29 | snadge | whats the name of the xen patched kernel in sid? |
| 02:31.53 | snadge | its not linux-image-xxxx-xen anymore it seems.. at least there doesnt seem to be a package listed for it |
| 02:32.37 | abrotman | they all are now |
| 02:32.45 | abrotman | or at least all the -686 |
| 02:33.00 | shah | anyone plz help |
| 02:33.21 | roe_ | shah what is "n/w"? |
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| 02:34.00 | Wyzard | network |
| 02:34.12 | snadge | ok so whats the difference between vserver-amd64 and amd64? |
| 02:34.27 | exobyte | is there a way to release a dhcp lease when I just know the likely IP address, not the client id? |
| 02:34.30 | snadge | the apt-cache description isnt helpful :/ |
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| 02:36.03 | snadge | i'll just use linux-image-amd64 and hope it works ;) |
| 02:36.41 | acidslep | Can somone help me with my lighttpd conf file? |
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| 02:40.15 | Wyzard | exobyte: The client ID is the client's MAC address unless it specified a custom one |
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| 02:40.35 | Wyzard | exobyte: so you can probably figure it out (e.g. by ARPing the IP) |
| 02:40.38 | Wyzard | exobyte: but without the client ID, no |
| 02:40.55 | cchanc1 | Is there a way to make shoutcast start at boot and not kill? like force it to the background? |
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| 02:41.14 | exobyte | Wyzard: hmm.... |
| 02:41.28 | exobyte | Wyzard: any idea about udhcpc? |
| 02:41.43 | exobyte | (which the client ID parameter isn't passed) |
| 02:42.53 | Wyzard | exobyte: The client-ID parameter is optional |
| 02:43.07 | Wyzard | exobyte: The server uses the client's MAC address (which is mandatory) if no other client ID is specified |
| 02:43.15 | exobyte | Wyzard: ohhh |
| 02:43.18 | exobyte | Wyzard: the S |
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| 02:43.26 | exobyte | Wyzard: SERVER uses the mac |
| 02:43.38 | exobyte | Wyzard: I thought the client would set it if unspecified |
| 02:43.48 | WormFood | cchanc1, there are many ways to start things at boot |
| 02:43.51 | Wyzard | Well, the client is free to put a copy of its MAC address in the clientID field |
| 02:44.00 | Wyzard | but it can also just omit it |
| 02:44.18 | roe_ | it looks like ath5k is built into 2.6.25, do I need to blacklist the madwifi module if I want to upgrade to lenny if I want to ensure that the ath5k module is used and not the older ath_pci module? |
| 02:44.21 | WormFood | cchanc1, may I suggest you check out 'screen' if your program requires a console, or simply run it in another virtual console |
| 02:45.00 | exobyte | Wyzard: just depends on the client, and the udhcpc manual not saying it does that means the server probably did |
| 02:45.03 | Wyzard | roe_: madwifi is a third-party module, right? Not something built into the kernel? |
| 02:45.17 | roe_ | correct, I installed it using m--a |
| 02:45.20 | Wyzard | roe_: Just don't build madwifi for 2.6.25 and you won't have any conflict to worry about |
| 02:45.47 | roe_ | ok |
| 02:46.07 | roe_ | I'll do that tomorrow though, I am too tired and this is my production router |
| 02:46.25 | roe_ | god forbid my network suffers downtime ;) |
| 02:47.09 | acu | is anyway to do a netinstall of on amd64 laptop having wifi inteface (broadcom) |
| 02:47.12 | WormFood | perhaps you are praying to the wrong god for network uptime |
| 02:47.20 | WormFood | or making the wrong sacrifices |
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| 02:47.32 | exobyte | Wyzard: uh oh... I have a lease to release, but I don't have the lease file (IP and mac, I can do that), but I also don't know the dhcp server's IP address |
| 02:47.34 | cchanc1 | WordFood, can i make it do -d |
| 02:47.40 | cchanc1 | or backgrounding |
| 02:47.41 | WormFood | I sacrifice a router to my god every week, and my network has no down time |
| 02:47.59 | WormFood | I don't know cchanc1, because I am not familiar with the software you are using |
| 02:48.23 | acidslep | guuuys, help me |
| 02:48.26 | WormFood | did you read the man page about screen, or did you learn how to execute a program and have it reroute its input/output to a different virtual console? |
| 02:48.27 | exobyte | WormFood: that's because you avoid MTBFs with a new router every week |
| 02:48.36 | Wyzard | exobyte: Why do you have to manually release another machine's DHCP lease? |
| 02:48.50 | exobyte | it's my machines's |
| 02:48.54 | WormFood | exobyte, no, I sacrifice a new router....my god wouldn't accept a used router |
| 02:49.30 | pickcoder | hopefully he recycles |
| 02:49.32 | acidslep | why you all so mean? |
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| 02:50.02 | WormFood | acidslep, we're not mean here |
| 02:50.03 | exobyte | Wyzard: the lease got trashed, and my ISP, even after hours of not having an IP, keeps telling me to release |
| 02:50.12 | WormFood | I mean, how much are you paying for tech support here? |
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| 02:50.36 | Wyzard | exobyte: "got trashed"? |
| 02:50.58 | exobyte | Wyzard: I like being root |
| 02:51.07 | WormFood | acidslep, sometimes you have to wait for help.....I suggest you throw out your question, and if you get no answers, try again 15-30 minutes later |
| 02:51.14 | Wyzard | exobyte: You just mean you deleted the lease file |
| 02:51.18 | Wyzard | exobyte: That's no big deal |
| 02:51.27 | exobyte | Wyzard: normally, eyah |
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| 02:51.45 | Wyzard | exobyte: Request a lease again and the DHCP server should give you the same one you already have |
| 02:51.45 | exobyte | Wyzard: only my ISP really wants me to release |
| 02:51.53 | exobyte | Wyzard: it's not |
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| 02:53.17 | Wyzard | exobyte: You send a DHCPDISCOVER and get what in response? |
| 02:53.49 | \amethyst | eisen: have you tried dhclient -r ? |
| 02:55.31 | exobyte | Wyzard: not so much as an rx packet when I do ifconfig |
| 02:55.46 | exobyte | Wyzard: (so it shouldn't be a firewall issue) |
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| 02:57.14 | Wyzard | exobyte: you may find the dhcpdump package useful |
| 02:57.23 | bxz | hi. i want to run a command on a remote server and have that command still after i logout. i've tried having a & after the command |
| 02:57.25 | Wyzard | exobyte: tcpdump -lenx -s1500 -i eth0 | dhcpdump |
| 02:57.28 | bxz | but that did not work. |
| 02:57.30 | bxz | other ideas? |
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| 02:57.38 | eraldo | I know that minimal and "java and flash" don't make sence together... how light can I get if wanting thouse two |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | bpun: please don't msg me |
| 02:57.43 | Wyzard | exobyte: It parses DHCP packets and displays them in human-readable form |
| 02:57.54 | exobyte | nifty |
| 02:57.58 | Wyzard | exobyte: Anyway, you can probably just recreate your lease file by hand |
| 02:58.00 | abrotman | bpun: you can ask in here |
| 02:58.00 | exobyte | time to install tcpdump |
| 02:58.03 | exobyte | yeah |
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| 02:58.09 | quagga | bxz: run it in screen and detach it? |
| 02:58.14 | exobyte | but I also need to figure out the dhco server's address |
| 02:58.32 | bxz | quagga, how do i do that? |
| 02:58.47 | quagga | bxz: apt-get install screen && man screen |
| 02:58.52 | bxz | ok |
| 02:58.53 | factor | anyone know why Trigger game would not work in full screen mode, what setting do I need and where to place them to get X win full screen game mode to work |
| 02:59.27 | bxz | thanks |
| 02:59.27 | Wyzard | exobyte: if you've managed to talk to someone at your ISP who's knowledgeable enough to tell you to release your DHCP lease, call back and ask for the IP of the DHCP server |
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| 02:59.27 | bxz | quagga, do i need screen on both my local machine and the remote? |
| 02:59.27 | exobyte | Wyzard: it's sorta a free isp... |
| 02:59.28 | exobyte | Wyzard: so I email them |
| 02:59.36 | quagga | bxz: just on the remote if you want to log out of the machine and keep whatever running |
| 02:59.49 | quagga | bxz: however it is a very useful program to have around |
| 02:59.55 | acidslep | when configuring lighttpd what does a socket do? |
| 03:00.01 | bxz | quagga, k. thanks |
| 03:00.04 | Wyzard | exobyte: you could change your MAC address and see if you can get a different lease that way |
| 03:00.39 | exobyte | Wyzard: (it's actually a wireless ISP, but WPA authentication works perfectly, and that's a pain to get working, and I do see rx packets, so the problem looks like dhcp. it worked before) |
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| 03:01.03 | quagga | !tell bxz about screen |
| 03:01.10 | Wyzard | exobyte: Can you see other people's traffic? |
| 03:01.13 | exobyte | Wyzard: I actually tried that, once, but no luck. ndiswrapper might have not set the mac right, too... |
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| 03:01.18 | exobyte | Wyzard: hmm... |
| 03:01.19 | Wyzard | exobyte: Get the DHCP server address out of someone else's packet |
| 03:01.32 | exobyte | Wyzard: actually, yeah, I can |
| 03:01.38 | exobyte | Wyzard: on their public network |
| 03:02.07 | exobyte | Wyzard: but not the wpa one. I think the mac layer drops packets I can't decrypt |
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| 03:02.52 | eraldo | I know that minimal and "java and flash" don't make sence together... how light can I get if wanting thouse two |
| 03:03.55 | eraldo | talking about browsers |
| 03:03.56 | Wyzard | exobyte: Each user has a separate WPA key? |
| 03:04.17 | exobyte | Wyzard: radius |
| 03:04.31 | Wyzard | OK, so you're not using PSK |
| 03:04.55 | Wyzard | Well, hopefully the public network uses the same DHCP server as the private one |
| 03:04.56 | exobyte | Wyzard: aye |
| 03:05.10 | exobyte | Wyzard: and the connection is reliable |
| 03:05.50 | exobyte | this problem started after months of no issues |
| 03:06.29 | snadge | im having all sorts of dramas trying to find a domU kernel for xen on sid? |
| 03:06.35 | Wyzard | It sounds like their DHCP server is pretty stupid, if it doesn't look up and return your existing leased IP in response to a DHCPDISCOVER |
| 03:06.56 | Wyzard | snadge: There might not be one |
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| 03:07.25 | Wyzard | snadge: Last I heard, the Xen team stopped developing Xen as a separate patch, and started working on integrating it into Linus's kernel |
| 03:07.29 | exobyte | Wyzard: yeah, but there's always a slight chance I'm having wireless issues. But that doesn't explain how I can do wpa authentication just fine |
| 03:07.42 | Wyzard | snadge: but the work isn't complete yet |
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| 03:08.21 | eraldo | from time to time I see some Desktops having Text integrated into the background image... |
| 03:08.25 | acidslep | why would the lighttpd config parser fail? |
| 03:08.33 | snadge | Wyzard: yikes? could this be why it doesnt work in either debian or ubuntu and nobody seems to care? |
| 03:09.09 | Wyzard | snadge: Could be... I haven't kept track of the details, but unless they've finished the work, there's probably just no complete Xen support in current kernels |
| 03:09.17 | snadge | whereas suse have gone ahead and done it themselves with opensuse 11 |
| 03:09.20 | Wyzard | snadge: I think there's domU but no dom0 |
| 03:09.32 | snadge | they have a 2.6.25-xen.. both dom0 and domU |
| 03:09.50 | Wyzard | snadge: but Debian doesn't make separate domU and dom0 packages, so you just don't get any Xen package at all, I guess |
| 03:10.01 | snadge | one more reason to be pissed off at novell i guess.. its open source though.. what are the debian/ubuntu guys doing.. sitting on their hands? |
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| 03:10.17 | Wyzard | I wouldn't blame Debian and Ubuntu |
| 03:10.34 | Wyzard | SuSE might have put in some beta code or something, for all we know |
| 03:10.42 | snadge | if opensuse couldn't do it.. i wouldn't be annoyed about it |
| 03:10.48 | Wyzard | Grab the source from kernel.org and see if Xen support is in there |
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| 03:11.10 | snadge | i doubt it hey.. this is the "suse" kernel, not vanilla |
| 03:11.23 | snadge | but where did they get their patches from etc? |
| 03:11.39 | snadge | i've already tried booting a debian system with an opensuse kernel.. it failed spectacularly ;) |
| 03:11.41 | Wyzard | mailing lists, developer branches, etc. |
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| 03:12.07 | Tweak1029 | Can someone help me get my wireless connected? |
| 03:12.28 | Tweak1029 | (Different computer, stuff may take slightly longer than usual...) |
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| 03:12.50 | snadge | would it be possible to build a debian kernel from the opensuse kernel sources? |
| 03:13.00 | Tweak1029 | Anywho, I set the wireless router to use WEP and set the key, but my rt2500 won´t connect with it. |
| 03:13.45 | pickcoder | snadge: you can build any kernel you want from source, but you'll have a hard time getting help here |
| 03:14.56 | snadge | interesting experiment though.. the point being that the common opinion seems to be that theres no xen support in recent kernels, due to trying to merge it into linus' tree etc.. yet, opensuse 11 ships with 2.6.25 supporting both dom0 and domU, with graphical framebuffer + vnc support all working etc.. even can natively run the GUI install |
| 03:14.59 | Tweak1029 | The icon in the top right (gnome) has the two blue balls rotate for a while and then it stops and says it couldn connect. |
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| 03:15.21 | deadcat | Tweak1029: what does iwconfig say? |
| 03:15.41 | snadge | as long as the initrd is compatible, i shouldn't see why an opensuse patched kernel.. wouldn't be able to boot a debian system, to work around the lack of domU support at the moment |
| 03:15.55 | Akuw | hey |
| 03:15.59 | Wyzard | hey, cool, 2.6.26 has a built-in RAM tester |
| 03:16.05 | Wyzard | apparently a sort of lightweight memtest |
| 03:16.08 | Akuw | i am using java of sun |
| 03:16.10 | Tweak1029 | ItŠtrying to use the wrong essid and isn´t set to use a key. |
| 03:16.25 | Akuw | but when i want to compile javac, it use the Eclipse compiler |
| 03:16.38 | Akuw | how can i add /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14/bin/ to the path |
| 03:17.17 | deadcat | Tweak1029: have you tried iwconfig DEVICE essid YOURESSID key YOURKEY? thats how i do it. |
| 03:17.50 | Tweak1029 | K, will try... Hang on. |
| 03:18.19 | Wyzard | Akuw: update-alternatives --configure javac |
| 03:18.41 | pickcoder | snadge: recent as in 2.6.25? |
| 03:18.53 | Tweak1029 | Done... That didn´t do anything :/ |
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| 03:19.12 | Tweak1029 | Is there an alternative to connecting using that menu in the top right? |
| 03:19.18 | Tweak1029 | Command line or otherwise? |
| 03:19.43 | deadcat | Tweak1029: not eveone uese gnome. so i dont know that. try dhclient DEVICE |
| 03:19.47 | Akuw | bash: update-alternatives: command not found |
| 03:19.48 | snadge | pickcoder: yeah.. just found some info here which explains the situation more http://www.nabble.com/Xen-3.2-hard-to-install-in-debian-sid-td17468494.html |
| 03:19.49 | acidslep | this my problem: http://pastebin.com/m69b011ca |
| 03:19.52 | deadcat | Tweak1029: to pick up an ip via dhcp |
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| 03:20.14 | snadge | theres a project page to forward port xen to 2.6.25, opensuse must have included that |
| 03:20.36 | deadcat | Akuw: as root |
| 03:20.39 | snadge | basically nobody wants to do the work of forward porting xen each time a new kernel is released.. so they're trying to support pv_ops which isnt 100% in mainline yet |
| 03:20.40 | pickcoder | 2.6.25-xen is available for 686 |
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| 03:20.43 | reZo | hey, i'm having problems chrooting /home/chroot/ for an ssh user, i have copied all required files across to /home/chroot/etc/ and such, but when i login to the chroot for testing, i can browse the real file system, how can i resolve this issue? |
| 03:20.45 | exobyte | Wyzard: thanks. I'll poke around with tcpdump |
| 03:20.47 | Akuw | sudo |
| 03:20.54 | snadge | pickcoder: i need amd64 |
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| 03:22.15 | Tweak1029 | This is frustrating; I´m using the same settings that I use under windoze, but Debian won´t connect. |
| 03:22.46 | pickcoder | Tweak1029: did you try iwconfig first? |
| 03:22.55 | snadge | pickcoder: but thanks for reminding me .. i wasnt thinking if there was a 32bit package |
| 03:22.56 | Ian_Daniher | I have a laptop with a broken screen, with debian etch installed |
| 03:22.59 | Akuw | ready |
| 03:23.01 | Ian_Daniher | how do I let it use VGA? |
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| 03:23.15 | roe_ | Wyzard, I think I figured out my problem, it related to bridge-nf |
| 03:23.25 | Tweak1029 | Yeah, I´ve tried iwconfig. |
| 03:23.40 | Wyzard | oh? |
| 03:23.44 | Tweak1029 | dhclient just told me that the network wasn´t connected. |
| 03:23.49 | Tweak1029 | I already knew that. |
| 03:23.50 | Wyzard | I thought that was disabled by default, in the same sense that iptables is |
| 03:24.13 | deadcat | Tweak1029: does iwconfig show that you have something like this: Mode:Managed Frequency:2.437 GHz Access Point: 00:18:84:80:9E:75 |
| 03:24.15 | Akuw | thanks |
| 03:24.20 | acidslep | anyone? |
| 03:24.50 | pickcoder | Tweak1029: and could you iwlist <device> and see access points |
| 03:25.02 | WormFood | reZo, you need to chroot the ssh server |
| 03:25.16 | Tweak1029 | Yeah, iwconfig tells me that. |
| 03:25.31 | Tweak1029 | Something like that, rather. |
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| 03:25.51 | deadcat | Tweak1029: try set the ip/netmask mannually then |
| 03:25.54 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:26.11 | deadcat | Tweak1029: something like that meaning not MAC address? |
| 03:26.11 | Tweak1029 | Using ifconfig? |
| 03:26.26 | deadcat | Tweak1029: ya |
| 03:26.48 | acidslep | HALP |
| 03:26.49 | Tweak1029 | Right, ¨access point:¨ and the mac address isn included. |
| 03:26.50 | acidslep | PLZ |
| 03:27.15 | Tweak1029 | That´s not vague at all, acidslep. |
| 03:27.22 | acidslep | hehe |
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| 03:27.33 | acidslep | does anyone have any experience with lighttpd? |
| 03:27.50 | deadcat | Tweak1029: then you're not connected to the access point |
| 03:27.57 | acidslep | here is my conf file and the problem it presents |
| 03:27.58 | acidslep | http://pastebin.com/m69b011ca |
| 03:28.00 | deadcat | acidslep: i use it. but its simple config |
| 03:28.06 | acidslep | me too |
| 03:28.09 | acidslep | i just add one thing |
| 03:28.12 | acidslep | but that breaks it |
| 03:28.25 | deadcat | acidslep: have you tried #lighttpd? they are really good. |
| 03:28.35 | acidslep | no one's on |
| 03:28.39 | acidslep | they are good though? |
| 03:28.52 | deadcat | ya |
| 03:28.56 | Tweak1029 | Hey deadcat, the thing times out (or at least I think that´s what it´s doing) on the key thing... |
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| 03:29.05 | deadcat | helped me when i had some problem.. but you're right. they are not always there. |
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| 03:30.00 | acidslep | kay, thanks |
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| 03:30.50 | Tweak1029 | ¨Waiting for network key for wireless network¨ then I put it in and it times out still saying the same thing. |
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| 03:32.29 | pickcoder | Tweak1029: did you provide the key using iwconfig? |
| 03:32.40 | Tweak1029 | Yeah. |
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| 03:34.25 | acidslep | :( |
| 03:34.29 | acidslep | thanks for the help |
| 03:34.34 | acidslep | i chill on there bye |
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| 03:35.30 | pickcoder | Tweak1029: is it WPA? |
| 03:35.52 | flawer | is it complicated to do a netinstall trough WIFI? |
| 03:35.52 | Tweak1029 | No, WEP. I edited the router´s config settings under windoze and made sure of that. |
| 03:36.01 | pickcoder | open key? |
| 03:36.15 | Tweak1029 | Not sure exactly what WEP, but none of them work. Right open key. Windoze connects fine using open key. |
| 03:36.58 | pickcoder | shrugs.. if the AP MAC is correct in iwconfig then I dunno |
| 03:37.16 | pickcoder | you don't use mac lists do you? |
| 03:37.28 | Tweak1029 | For what? |
| 03:37.33 | Tweak1029 | hasn´t heard of them. |
| 03:37.40 | pickcoder | MAC control.. to block unwanted devices from trying to connect |
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| 03:38.22 | jescis | flawer, shouldn't matter if it's wifi or wired as long as you get connected afaik |
| 03:39.11 | flawer | I dont know how to set up a wifi connection though :/ |
| 03:40.05 | flawer | Is there 4 dvd's for a debian install? That's what I find on the dvd-iso torrent download page |
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| 03:41.25 | jescis | flawer, the wifi connection specifics depend on your ISP |
| 03:41.49 | flawer | It's a router |
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| 03:42.28 | amitz | using traceroute or other tool, how to know whether I can't receive any data from an IP because the IP ban me or my ISP block data from that IP? |
| 03:42.34 | kmeyer|laptop | flawer: you only need the first to install |
| 03:42.45 | kmeyer|laptop | amitz: use another machine |
| 03:42.58 | flawer | kmeyer: what are the other ones for? |
| 03:43.24 | kmeyer|laptop | all the packages |
| 03:43.43 | amitz | kmeyer: other machine from the same ISP doesn't work. But that doesn't mean anything.., right? |
| 03:43.58 | kmeyer|laptop | sure |
| 03:44.04 | amitz | kmeyer: I can't contact ftp.debian.org |
| 03:44.12 | jescis | flawer, well then, if you have it setup with wpa or wep you need that password when in install |
| 03:44.21 | kmeyer|laptop | amitz: try a public ssh machine |
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| 03:45.24 | flawer | k.. but why are there four cd's for installation? |
| 03:45.32 | flawer | though one is needed. |
| 03:45.39 | amitz | kmeyer: how can a public ssh machine, which will use different IP, will reveal the info whether my ISP IPs are ban or ftp.debian.org (or it's provider) ban my ISP's IPs? |
| 03:46.00 | newsense | flawer: for poor people with no inet |
| 03:46.16 | newsense | which will be me in 2 days :( |
| 03:46.19 | kmeyer|laptop | amitz: I see ftp, ssh, smtp, http, rsync on that host |
| 03:46.22 | kmeyer|laptop | via nmap |
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| 03:46.31 | kmeyer|laptop | flawer: what newsense said |
| 03:46.57 | newsense | nmap me |
| 03:47.47 | book | do u have the problem: about load/unload cycle count in debian on laptop? |
| 03:48.05 | amitz | kmeyere: please be more specific |
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| 03:48.44 | pickcoder | amitz: does port 80 work? |
| 03:49.06 | kmeyer|laptop | amitz: uh.. those ports are open |
| 03:49.17 | kmeyer|laptop | 21, 22, 25, 80, and whatever rsync is |
| 03:49.25 | newsense | kmeyer|laptop: what am i lookin like ? |
| 03:49.36 | amitz | pickcoder: i tried ping and port 80 (which is http right) and they never get reply. |
| 03:49.43 | newsense | cant use nmap and get accurate results here |
| 03:49.58 | newsense | got no outside box to test |
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| 03:50.29 | amitz | kmeyer: the point is, I can;t contact ftp.debian.org using my current ISP. I can contact using other ISP. 'm looking for the cause. |
| 03:50.42 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: didnt' scan |
| 03:50.48 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: you really want me to? |
| 03:50.53 | kmeyer|laptop | amitz: alright |
| 03:50.56 | newsense | try me |
| 03:51.03 | pickcoder | amitz: pinging may be blocked |
| 03:51.08 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: need an ip. you're cloaked on freenode |
| 03:51.11 | pickcoder | use lynx or wget to access http://ftp.debian.org |
| 03:51.21 | newsense | ahh i am |
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| 03:51.46 | newsense | 98.226.94.204 |
| 03:51.50 | kmeyer|laptop | alright |
| 03:51.50 | amitz | pickcoder: Probably. can you ping ftp.debian.org for me? |
| 03:52.10 | pickcoder | icmp ping works for me to that host |
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| 03:53.20 | amitz | pickcoder: so probably somehow the problem is in my ISP. Now I'm trying to find out whether the cause is in my ISP end, or in debian server (probably banning my ISP for whatever reason). |
| 03:54.07 | newsense | kmeyer|laptop: no responses from scan ? |
| 03:54.35 | pickcoder | amitz: even with traceroute you may not know, but it's worth a try |
| 03:54.43 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: not yet |
| 03:54.51 | newsense | thnks |
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| 03:55.05 | newsense | been wanting to test my iptables rules |
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| 03:55.13 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: heh |
| 03:55.38 | newsense | yeah |
| 03:57.02 | amitz | pickcoder: I tried traceroute. The result was that there was no reply at the ends. But that will happen for either cases (my ISP block access or ftp.debian.org blocks me). So I want to learn other technique to find out the cause |
| 03:57.48 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: still not seeing anything. Iptables rules to intentionally slow down scans / react to scans? |
| 03:58.00 | infotron | amitz: tcptraceroute ftp.debian.org 21 |
| 03:58.01 | newsense | not react |
| 03:58.09 | newsense | drop |
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| 03:58.33 | newsense | kmeyer|laptop: i really appreciate it |
| 03:58.50 | newsense | just gives ya a better feeling |
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| 03:59.09 | newsense | my nat router died so i had to harden iptables |
| 03:59.19 | amitz | infotron: hold on, must reset my dns first since I did some workaround |
| 03:59.28 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: ah, alright |
| 03:59.44 | newsense | gonna get another cheap linksys soon |
| 03:59.51 | kmeyer|laptop | heh |
| 04:00.02 | newsense | or a cheap p3 and run iptables |
| 04:00.04 | kmeyer|laptop | I use an old machine I had lying around as my nat'ing router |
| 04:00.06 | kmeyer|laptop | right |
| 04:00.16 | infotron | !lart newsense's old nat router |
| 04:00.16 | dpkg | puts on a hockey mask and jumps out at newsense's old nat router |
| 04:00.27 | newsense | lmao |
| 04:00.37 | newsense | yeah but its easy |
| 04:00.47 | newsense | im gonna just use an old p3 |
| 04:00.50 | kmeyer|laptop | mine is a pentium :D |
| 04:01.33 | kmeyer|laptop | i586 ftw |
| 04:01.43 | newsense | think ill get a third box too just for snort and connect it to a hub outside the lan |
| 04:02.20 | infotron | newsense: tcpdump -ni eth0 -w - | tcpreplay -r - -i eth1 :) |
| 04:02.34 | infotron | one way bridge |
| 04:03.17 | Nyle | no dude |
| 04:03.20 | Nyle | the hell |
| 04:03.25 | amitz | infotron: I'm using 128.101.240.212 (the IP address of ftp.debian.org) instead. Result is similar, last known response from SanJose1.level3.net. How to dump result in IRC? Any mechanism? |
| 04:03.27 | newsense | infotron: im not that advnced |
| 04:03.40 | infotron | !tell amitz -about paste |
| 04:04.56 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: yeah, still nothing. |
| 04:05.44 | newsense | kmeyer|laptop: thank you |
| 04:06.10 | amitz | infotron: http://paste.debian.net/13029/ |
| 04:06.19 | newsense | dont hink comcast blocks a damn thing so im sure my firewall rueles are what i want them |
| 04:06.59 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: right, I'm glad comcast doesn't block anything |
| 04:07.06 | kmeyer|laptop | I host a few things off my account |
| 04:07.09 | jescis | is on DSL from AT&T |
| 04:07.53 | pickcoder | they don't even block 25 out? |
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| 04:08.32 | newsense | SHIT |
| 04:08.47 | newsense | im not 100% but i dont think they do anything |
| 04:08.57 | kmeyer|laptop | pickcoder: they block that unfortunately :( |
| 04:09.05 | pickcoder | I think everyone does that now |
| 04:09.06 | kmeyer|laptop | but they're doing it piecemeal |
| 04:09.14 | pickcoder | everyone == residential services |
| 04:09.17 | kmeyer|laptop | soem places don't have it yet |
| 04:09.25 | kmeyer|laptop | blocking 25 out is the dumbest thing ever :S |
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| 04:09.43 | pickcoder | sure.. helping to stop spam is a bad thing |
| 04:09.47 | kmeyer|laptop | no smtp server allows unauthenticated sending anymore |
| 04:09.53 | kmeyer|laptop | it doesn't help stop spam. |
| 04:09.57 | infotron | amitz: traceroute and tcptraceroute are two different things |
| 04:10.02 | kmeyer|laptop | and I have a legitimate server that uses TLS on port 25 |
| 04:10.46 | infotron | kmeyer|laptop: there's no one perfect solution, but leaving your smtp server open would be dumb :) |
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| 04:11.43 | jescis | like going on irc as root ;) |
| 04:11.58 | amitz | infotron: That one was a tcptraceroute. |
| 04:12.00 | kmeyer|laptop | infotron: right |
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| 04:12.26 | pickcoder | kmeyer|laptop: have you checked the open relay lists online? |
| 04:12.35 | kmeyer|laptop | nope |
| 04:12.48 | wols_ | pickcoder: blocking ports of customers is still wrong |
| 04:13.00 | pickcoder | wols_: they allow relaying.. I don't have a problem with it |
| 04:13.08 | pickcoder | I'm not paying for business class service |
| 04:13.17 | wols_ | especially cause those ISPs usually don't give out a smarthost denying their customers a SMTP serve altogether |
| 04:13.17 | infotron | amitz: no it's not. it doesn't say which tcp port it's opening a connection attempt to. |
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| 04:13.31 | pickcoder | well that _is_ wrong |
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| 04:15.07 | jescis | I never seen an IP like book has o.O |
| 04:16.00 | amitz | the commdand is :tcptraceroute 128.101.240.212 21 |
| 04:16.00 | amitz | right? |
| 04:16.00 | newsense | yeah strange |
| 04:16.31 | amitz | infortron: and it's done over root account. |
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| 04:17.32 | infotron | amitz: yup. http://li.daxal.com/~supaplex/37467665-f190-4907-ab0c-0e0665c2eb8c-traceroute-128.101.240.212-21.txt |
| 04:20.30 | infotron | dpkg: test |
| 04:20.31 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 04:20.46 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: still nothing; I'm killing it |
| 04:21.07 | newsense | man still |
| 04:21.17 | newsense | thanks thats good news |
| 04:21.41 | newsense | if ya ever need anything let me know, appreciate it |
| 04:21.56 | kmeyer|laptop | heh, no problem |
| 04:22.27 | newsense | i thought you stopped |
| 04:22.45 | kmeyer|laptop | this is a slow machine which probably helped make it take a while |
| 04:22.48 | kmeyer|laptop | I did stop |
| 04:22.51 | newsense | i was cat'ing my logfile but stopped a while ago |
| 04:23.07 | amitz | infotron: it stil doesn't use that port. I'm using debian lenny newest update applied |
| 04:23.19 | newsense | im on a slow machine too |
| 04:23.23 | nmh_2Grajw | looking for a pointer to debian specific postfix+saslauthd(+ldap) documentation |
| 04:23.33 | newsense | by todays standards anyways |
| 04:23.38 | amitz | infotron: i was using that tcptraceroute with exact parameter |
| 04:23.51 | kmeyer|laptop | newsense: 500MHz G3 |
| 04:24.09 | newsense | 2.4ghz p4ht |
| 04:24.13 | infotron | amitz: upload the output to rafb.net/paste and let's see. |
| 04:24.21 | newsense | err 2.6ghz sorry |
| 04:24.29 | newsense | still no quad core |
| 04:24.37 | jescis | newsense, that ain't slow :p |
| 04:24.47 | infotron | kmeyer|laptop: I'll trade you for my cyrix 300mhz pII 64mb ram 64mb of / :) |
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| 04:25.15 | newsense | saw a server mb that supported like 6 quad core cpus and a retarded amount of ram |
| 04:25.20 | jescis | I have a 1.1GHz Athlon XP 2000+ |
| 04:25.51 | nmh_2Grajw | something with more background than http://www.rmacd.com/downloads/howto/saslauthd-postfix-debian-etch-configuration.php (which glosses over the part that I am looking for) |
| 04:26.24 | newsense | jescis: my friend(r.i.p.) found this compuer in a garbage |
| 04:26.51 | lymeca | I have MediaWiki installed via Debian's package management system, and I notice that extensions in the mediawiki-extensions package are installed to /usr/share/mediawiki-extensions instead of /usr/share/mediawiki/extensions |
| 04:26.52 | jescis | wow o.O |
| 04:26.55 | kmeyer|laptop | infotron: heh, I have a pentium 133MHz |
| 04:26.59 | newsense | 2.60ghz p4ht 700 something mb ram dvd-rom dvd-rw all card reders |
| 04:27.15 | newsense | 160g hdd |
| 04:27.22 | newsense | not bad for trash |
| 04:27.23 | lymeca | If I want to install new MediaWiki extensions onto Debian's MW package, which directory should I install them to? |
| 04:27.42 | jescis | newsense, lol exactly |
| 04:28.03 | infotron | newsense: cool. mine use to be a thin client. now it's a openwrt box. :) |
| 04:28.19 | newsense | ill always remember my friend able when i bootup |
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| 04:30.32 | amitz | infotron: somehow I can't do tcptraceroute on port 21. It always turn into ICMC type or whatever. |
| 04:30.33 | newsense | anyone recommend any goood packages for system security, ( for example: harden-server, harden-client,chkrootkit,unfind,,,, |
| 04:31.13 | newsense | dont have the resources for a full blown ids |
| 04:31.16 | infotron | amitz: how dysmal. I have no way to see what you are doing. |
| 04:31.46 | amitz | infotron: http://rafb.net/p/D3Fr6244.html |
| 04:32.08 | Tweak1029 | Debian sucks... I´m out. |
| 04:32.21 | newsense | yeh it does |
| 04:32.25 | amitz | infotron: do I need to turn off ipmasq,dnsmasq, or whatever relevant? |
| 04:32.27 | infotron | amitz: why is the latency so high? |
| 04:32.30 | newsense | debian sucks |
| 04:32.38 | infotron | !sucks |
| 04:32.38 | dpkg | Blow me! oh my bad. Were you considering contributing a patch, or filing a wishlist bug for that? http://kevininscoe.com/pub/whaaambulance.jpg |
| 04:32.50 | newsense | lmao |
| 04:32.54 | newsense | !rocks |
| 04:32.54 | dpkg | Yer damned right... |
| 04:32.59 | amitz | infotron: it's connection over 3g. |
| 04:32.59 | newsense | lol |
| 04:33.14 | wols_ | amitz: no need to disab le them |
| 04:33.22 | infotron | amitz: does http work better? |
| 04:33.44 | amitz | infotron: don't think so. |
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| 04:34.37 | infotron | amitz: try a differnt mirror. is the provider lame? |
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| 04:34.55 | infotron | !blame the last mile |
| 04:34.55 | dpkg | blames enouf and the last mile for all the evil in the world |
| 04:35.08 | amitz | infortron: lame but cheap and unlimited :-) |
| 04:35.22 | jeeves__ | can someone tell me how to track down the issue with my nVidia drivers? |
| 04:36.14 | infotron | amitz: ahh yeah. unlimited good cheap. pick two. |
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| 04:38.30 | amitz | infotron: yeah :-). Actually this ISP can't contact not only ftp.debian.org, but some other places. I'm trying to find out wheteher it's my ISP blocking or some gateway is blocking my ISP. |
| 04:38.50 | jescis | jeeves__, any errors or something? |
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| 04:39.35 | netdaemon | eh |
| 04:39.48 | jeeves__ | jescis, not that I can see. it's just randomly freezing the system, and I get little white bars as glitches over menu items |
| 04:39.52 | netdaemon | odd that my scroll on my touchpad doesn't work with X without manually editing the xorg.conf file =\ |
| 04:39.56 | amitz | infotron: http://rafb.net/p/xsuJhI99.html |
| 04:40.47 | jescis | jeeves__, did you try a lower resolution? |
| 04:41.20 | jeeves__ | jescis, yes, it still does it |
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| 04:41.49 | Nyle | nano technology |
| 04:42.02 | Nyle | biotech is godzilla |
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| 04:43.02 | jescis | jeeves__, how about reconfiguring X? |
| 04:43.11 | jeeves__ | jescis, yes. |
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| 04:44.53 | greeg | im going to reinstall Debian (in installing dueboot with windows), is ~/.kde the only dir that i need to back up for kde settings? |
| 04:44.58 | greeg | i adjusted my themes |
| 04:45.17 | peterrooney | amitz: maybe your isp hasn't patched its dns? 128.101.240.212 |
| 04:45.26 | jescis | jeeves__, you could backup your files and reinstall :| |
| 04:45.34 | infotron | b0ked DNS ftw \o/ |
| 04:45.35 | infotron | haha. |
| 04:47.04 | amitz | peterrooney: I tried using that IP instead of URL name. Anyway, I'm installing tcptraceroute on etch. Maybe tcptraceroute will work in etch. brb. |
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| 04:51.33 | infotron | amitz: or maybe it's a different switch to be more verbose. |
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| 04:59.03 | jescis | greeg, .kde is all you need if you only want to backup your configurations. |
| 04:59.29 | jescis | greeg, afaik |
| 05:01.31 | jescis | greeg, you need the others if you want to backup globally |
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| 05:08.37 | lunaphyte | what's a good program to inspect hardware details that runs in gnome? |
| 05:09.19 | infotron | xterm |
| 05:09.21 | infotron | HAH |
| 05:09.47 | lunaphyte | very funny :) |
| 05:09.56 | infotron | I thought so. :-x |
| 05:12.28 | netdaemon | xterm -e lspci -vvv :P |
| 05:13.27 | infotron | gmta :> |
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| 05:14.10 | MuffinFlavored | My wireless network adapter is detected in Debian 4.0r3 setup. Is there support for WPA encoded networks in setup? |
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| 05:15.34 | mwnn | Hi, I am using xdm as my display manager. But for the past one week I am unable to login using xdm. I will have to kill xdm and then type startx to use the desktop. |
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| 05:19.07 | lymeca | Can someone familiar with the Debian MediaWiki package help me out? I'm trying to understand the different between the Mediawiki way of installing extenstions and the Debian way.... |
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| 05:44.13 | lymeca | Okay, wow, I upgraded the Debian Mediawiki package to the one in lenny and it just wiped my /usr/share/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php file |
| 05:44.24 | lymeca | My wiki is totally unconfigured and not working now |
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| 05:45.25 | lymeca | It's apparently a symlink now??? /usr/share/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php -> /var/lib/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php |
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| 05:45.45 | lymeca | And even more insane: /var/lib/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php -> /etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php |
| 05:45.59 | lymeca | And to top it off, /etc/mediawiki/LocalSettings.php does NOT exist. |
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| 05:49.15 | valdyn | lymeca: dpkg -L packagename lists files, i guess the debian dev tried to fix file locations according to the fhs |
| 05:49.38 | valdyn | lymeca: putting configuration into /usr/share/ is fucked up |
| 05:52.00 | lymeca | valdyn: Well is there any way I can get my old LocalSettings.php back? |
| 05:52.22 | lymeca | Or has it been overwritten by a symlink pointing to a symlink pointing to a non-existant file for good? |
| 05:52.24 | valdyn | lymeca: installing the debian package overwrote it_ |
| 05:52.26 | valdyn | lymeca: installing the debian package overwrote it? |
| 05:52.37 | valdyn | lymeca: yea, its overwritten |
| 05:52.52 | lymeca | I think that's more "fucked up" than having a config file in /usr/share/ |
| 05:52.52 | valdyn | lymeca: .. im guessing |
| 05:52.56 | valdyn | lymeca: no |
| 05:53.08 | valdyn | lymeca: debian packages do overwrite upon installation |
| 05:53.32 | lymeca | Why didn't it ask me? usually it asks about user-modified files... |
| 05:53.34 | valdyn | lymeca: which is why everyone would have told you that you never install stuff into /usr/ except /usr/local/ if its not a debian package |
| 05:53.55 | valdyn | lymeca: you are right, but that applies only to config files |
| 05:54.03 | valdyn | lymeca: as defined by debian package management |
| 05:54.08 | lymeca | Ah okay |
| 05:54.25 | valdyn | lymeca: debian never ever puts config files outside /etc |
| 05:54.33 | lymeca | Well do you have experience with Debian's mediawiki package yourself? |
| 05:54.38 | valdyn | lymeca: no |
| 05:54.48 | valdyn | lymeca: i know debian well, i dont know mediawiki at all |
| 05:54.49 | lymeca | It's really confusing with symlinks all over the damn place |
| 05:55.06 | valdyn | !fhs |
| 05:55.07 | dpkg | Debian follows the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. The filesystem is categorized by purpose, not application. This allows, for example, the easy and efficient deployment of a read-only /usr area across a number of thin clients. See http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ or install the 'debian-policy' package (/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs/*), or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_Hierarchy_Standard |
| 05:55.10 | lymeca | I'm seriously considering ditching the package and using svn installations |
| 05:55.20 | lymeca | It makes no sense and keeps being changed |
| 05:55.34 | valdyn | lymeca: thats perfectly fine just dont install to /usr/ |
| 05:55.41 | valdyn | lymeca: install to /usr/local or /opt or whatever |
| 05:55.46 | lymeca | aye |
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| 05:56.32 | Nyle | valdyn, you're still awake? |
| 05:56.35 | Nyle | jeez |
| 05:56.37 | valdyn | Nyle: no |
| 05:56.41 | Nyle | when do you sleep? |
| 05:57.00 | valdyn | Nyle: unless you refer to "still" as the last few minutes |
| 05:57.03 | Nyle | one time this dude asked me |
| 05:57.09 | Nyle | hey man, when do you sleep |
| 05:57.12 | Nyle | I said, sundays. |
| 05:57.15 | Nyle | hahahahaha ;) |
| 05:57.19 | valdyn | ! |
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| 06:14.22 | Ryan52 | How do I securely download a .deb file from a mirror? I wanna do what 'apt-get source' does but download the binary package instead of the source package. and I don't wanna manually verify MD5 checksums/gpg signatures on the Packages Release and .deb files... |
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| 06:16.00 | sasuke781 | can someone help me figure out why my new install wont boot |
| 06:16.45 | pawbie | Got any sort of message? |
| 06:16.48 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: because there's something wrong...please ask a real question. what's happening? |
| 06:17.05 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: did everything in the install go as planned? |
| 06:17.13 | sasuke781 | it says "DISK BOOT FAILURE" |
| 06:17.18 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: what installer did you use? etch? lenny beta2? daily image? |
| 06:17.27 | pawbie | Skipped grub? |
| 06:17.30 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: did you use grub or lilo? (If you don't know, you used grub) |
| 06:17.40 | sasuke781 | i used grub |
| 06:17.51 | sasuke781 | i just followed the menus |
| 06:18.01 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: is your boot order correct? is the hard drive in it? |
| 06:18.05 | pawbie | SATA disks? |
| 06:18.16 | sasuke781 | yea and no its ide |
| 06:18.29 | Ryan52 | pawbie: sata disks are fine if your boot order is. |
| 06:18.39 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: move the hard drive to the top of the boot order. see what happens. |
| 06:18.53 | sasuke781 | i have tried that....nothing |
| 06:19.00 | sasuke781 | same messag |
| 06:19.04 | sasuke781 | message* |
| 06:19.20 | pawbie | ryan52: Some sata controllers (like mine) detect incorrectly. Or if you have a stripe/mirror that's 0, grub seems to auto-populate the wrong param. |
| 06:19.27 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: boot from debian installer in rescue mode and try fixing grub again. |
| 06:19.49 | pawbie | I always have to "fix" grub to boot from hd(0,1) even though the disk is the second sata disk in the PC. |
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| 06:20.15 | Ryan52 | pawbie: your getting a grub error then. not a bios error. (like sasuke781 is) |
| 06:20.21 | sasuke781 | ok....so what option do i use when i rewrite grub |
| 06:20.40 | sasuke781 | last time i used hd0 |
| 06:20.47 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: boot to the rescue thingy and it might be in the menu? |
| 06:20.56 | pawbie | But if he installed to hda and has the same weird BIOS issue I have.... he may be trying to boot from the wrong disk. Which is not the case, clearly, cos he said they were IDE.... |
| 06:21.22 | sasuke781 | well theres 3 options |
| 06:21.37 | sasuke781 | write the grub to the master boot record |
| 06:21.49 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: yes, write it to the master boot record. |
| 06:21.49 | sasuke781 | write it to a seprate partition |
| 06:21.56 | sasuke781 | ok i did that last time |
| 06:22.07 | sasuke781 | that option is hd0 |
| 06:23.22 | sasuke781 | so now what? |
| 06:24.44 | sasuke781 | i honestly dont know whats wrong.....i wrote grub to the master boot record, then finished the install and rebooted. and im at the part where it should boot from the hdd |
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| 06:25.45 | sasuke781 | ??? |
| 06:26.07 | sasuke781 | so does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 06:26.18 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: be patient for somebody who knows a potential solution to look at their IRC window... |
| 06:27.25 | sasuke781 | well its just this is night 2 of this |
| 06:27.38 | sasuke781 | i dont have a lot of time to fool with this |
| 06:29.03 | sasuke781 | i was told debian was simple and very effective....so far that hasnt been the case lol |
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| 06:30.28 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: I run debian on all of my systems plus all of them that I administer just fine...that's like 70. |
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| 06:31.18 | Lanken | what does it mean when a .deb package system is "broken" |
| 06:31.30 | valdyn | Lanken: show us the complete erorr |
| 06:31.37 | Ryan52 | Lanken: as in "This package is BROKEN" from apt? |
| 06:31.38 | valdyn | Lanken: show us the complete error, paste on a paste site |
| 06:31.57 | sasuke781 | sooo.....you admin 70 systems and you dont know how to help me? |
| 06:31.59 | Lanken | valdyn: I'm using adept, I'll post a .png |
| 06:32.03 | sasuke781 | =[ |
| 06:32.05 | XGas | mostly two reasons, "install config" unsuccessful, or dependency problems |
| 06:32.16 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: yes, my point is your problem is unique or user error. |
| 06:32.24 | valdyn | !pebkac |
| 06:32.24 | dpkg | [pebkac] Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair, or PEBCAK. PEBMAC, PICNIC. PEBRHAL, or http://pebkac.ubergoth.net/ |
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| 06:33.05 | sasuke781 | wait....i never formatted the disk.....it never asked me....so how did it partition it? |
| 06:33.12 | valdyn | DISK BOOT FAILURE is a bios message as far as i remember |
| 06:33.17 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: you went through partman |
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| 06:33.29 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: you probably choose guided pratitioning |
| 06:33.32 | valdyn | that means that grub is not installed on the disk its trying to boot from |
| 06:33.43 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: it would have complain a LOT if you did not 'format' it |
| 06:33.46 | sasuke781 | it has to be....i did it twice now |
| 06:33.47 | sasuke781 | lol |
| 06:33.55 | valdyn | sasuke781: no you didnt |
| 06:34.05 | valdyn | sasuke781: probably twice to the wrong disk |
| 06:34.09 | sasuke781 | i did go through guided partitioning |
| 06:34.16 | sasuke781 | nope theres only 1 |
| 06:34.17 | sasuke781 | lol |
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| 06:34.19 | Ryan52 | sasuke781: that formatted it |
| 06:34.52 | valdyn | i see adept just in experimental |
| 06:34.59 | se7en_ | sombody know what i have done wrong ... i installed apache2 and configured it ... now i would like to passwd protect the side so i setup the .htaccsess file in /var/www/ and did htpasswd -c /etc/apache2/.htpasswd guest ... but i can still get on the site without any passwd |
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| 06:35.47 | Ryan52 | se7en_: you need to do something in your apache configs |
| 06:35.48 | valdyn | sasuke781: maybe your bios is only trying to boot from your cdrom drive |
| 06:35.51 | Ryan52 | valdyn: experimental works great...my window manager is from there...it even has this feature to force me to take a break :) |
| 06:36.03 | Ryan52 | se7en_: /etc/apache2/sites-enabled/000-default |
| 06:36.04 | infotron | se7en_: try putting junk in the .htaccess file to see if it throws a 500 message. |
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| 06:36.14 | valdyn | Ryan52: oh please.. |
| 06:36.25 | sasuke781 | nope at some point i tried running only the hdd |
| 06:36.38 | sasuke781 | still the same problem |
| 06:36.42 | sasuke781 | im thinking grub |
| 06:36.46 | Ryan52 | se7en_: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/auth.html |
| 06:36.48 | sasuke781 | but i dont know what im doing wrong |
| 06:36.54 | valdyn | Ryan52: i mean, we both know how experimental works if you really admin 70 machines.. but thats not really relevant here |
| 06:37.08 | se7en_ | cool thanks ... |
| 06:37.20 | infotron | what issue? |
| 06:37.45 | sasuke781 | "DISK BOOT FAILURE" |
| 06:37.57 | Ryan52 | valdyn: but the point is, things work in experimental...it's not just random bits of code thrown together that makes random things happen. |
| 06:38.04 | sasuke781 | i just installed debiatn and thats what i g |
| 06:38.11 | sasuke781 | i hate touchpads |
| 06:38.19 | valdyn | Ryan52: yea well |
| 06:38.20 | sasuke781 | i just installed debian and thats what i get*** |
| 06:38.41 | infotron | !tell sasuke781 -about rescue |
| 06:38.56 | Lanken | http://zackglennie.com/error.png |
| 06:39.02 | Lanken | this is the error I'm seeing. |
| 06:39.22 | sasuke781 | yea i know all about rescue mode |
| 06:39.23 | Ryan52 | Lanken: that looks like ubuntu to me...is it? |
| 06:39.24 | infotron | Lanken: what's the topic say? |
| 06:39.27 | sasuke781 | i tired it |
| 06:39.34 | Lanken | it is ubuntu, yes |
| 06:39.42 | Ryan52 | Lanken: THIS IS NOT #ubuntu |
| 06:39.46 | Lanken | but I hate those assholes |
| 06:39.48 | Lanken | they're useless |
| 06:39.49 | valdyn | Ryan52: if i have access to the box its np, but irc support debugging potential issues with using experimental is a nightmare |
| 06:39.55 | Ryan52 | Lanken: then use debian and ask here for help |
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| 06:40.06 | infotron | Lanken: install debian then. |
| 06:40.06 | man_in_shack | waves |
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| 06:40.16 | Lanken | can you at least tell me about what this error means? |
| 06:40.21 | infotron | no |
| 06:40.26 | man_in_shack | how would one change the hostname on a debian box? |
| 06:40.30 | valdyn | Lanken: i cant see the error message |
| 06:40.34 | Ryan52 | Lanken: It means dependancies are broken...then nice people in #ubuntu can help you with that. |
| 06:41.00 | valdyn | Lanken: only "BREAK (upgrade)", thats certainly not the primary error |
| 06:41.04 | Lanken | Ryan52: they're going to be too busy talking about compiz ... |
| 06:41.15 | infotron | so not our problem |
| 06:41.16 | Ryan52 | man_in_shack: hostname newhostname; echo hostname > /etc/hostname; sed -i s/oldhostname/newhostname /etc/hosts |
| 06:41.28 | Lanken | ok, thanks. I know more than I did when I came in here. |
| 06:41.39 | man_in_shack | Ryan52, does that also cover the domainname? |
| 06:41.47 | Lanken | I wouldn't mind using debian over ubuntu, actually. You've probably got a better kde implementation. |
| 06:41.51 | valdyn | !hostname |
| 06:41.51 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
| 06:41.52 | sasuke781 | does anyone know the proper parameter to use for writing grub boot loader to a single hdd with one partition |
| 06:41.58 | Lanken | what iso should I install from? |
| 06:41.58 | achivetta | Lanken: the issue is that the error involves packages that are specific to Ubuntu, this isn't one of those cases where the differences are transparent |
| 06:42.01 | infotron | !tell Lanken -about netinst |
| 06:42.01 | valdyn | man_in_shack: read what dpkg said |
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| 06:42.07 | infotron | Lanken: enjoy =) |
| 06:42.10 | valdyn | man_in_shack: theres a few names that people refer to as hostname |
| 06:42.18 | valdyn | man_in_shack: they can differ |
| 06:42.39 | Lanken | your bot is broken...but I think I've heard of net installs before. Tried to do one and failed, but it was a VM so who knows. |
| 06:42.51 | Ryan52 | Lanken: broken how? |
| 06:42.59 | infotron | failed how? |
| 06:43.24 | Lanken | infotron: I thought a bot was going to say something about "netinst" |
| 06:43.29 | sasuke781 | im trying to do a netinstall |
| 06:43.37 | Tapout | what fires up 'java' ... I see 'java' in ps, but nothign in /etc/init.d/* relating to it.. anyone know? |
| 06:43.39 | infotron | Lanken: /query dpkg |
| 06:43.39 | sasuke781 | .... |
| 06:43.54 | valdyn | sasuke781: which alternatives are you getting in netinstall? |
| 06:43.58 | infotron | !test |
| 06:43.59 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:44.15 | sasuke781 | alternatives? |
| 06:44.19 | Lanken | infotron: and the net install didn't work because....oh, I think it was because I was behind a proxy and couldn't figure out how to configure for that. |
| 06:44.23 | valdyn | Tapout: paste the whole output of "ps aux" |
| 06:44.26 | sasuke781 | i know that none of the mirrors work |
| 06:44.29 | Ryan52 | Lanken: it asks... |
| 06:44.32 | valdyn | Tapout: or use pstree |
| 06:44.34 | infotron | it's alive :) we use !tell ... about ... to make it show up in privmsgs. keeps channel chatter down. |
| 06:44.41 | Tapout | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:44.53 | Lanken | Ryan52: sure it does! It was a long time ago and maybe I mucked it up. |
| 06:44.53 | valdyn | Tapout: paste pstree output on a paste site |
| 06:44.58 | infotron | Lanken: well there's help for that. |
| 06:45.23 | Tapout | ahh here it is: root 2852 0.6 0.2 1347876 45636 ? Sl Jul23 26:33 ./jre/bin/java -Djava.compiler=NONE -cp /usr/StorMan/RaidMan.jar com.ibm.sysmgt.raidmgr.agent.ManagementAgent |
| 06:46.05 | sasuke781 | wait.... |
| 06:46.22 | Lanken | Actually, I'm not really keen to do a net install, I think. I'm always having trouble with mirror selection here (asia). Choose one that isn't fast and you wind up trying to do the whole thing at dial-up speed. There isn't an iso-based option? |
| 06:46.28 | sasuke781 | is there a way to manually install the grub boot loader |
| 06:46.30 | amitz | infotron: yay! it turns out althought I have link to tptraceroute, Ii don't have tcptraceroute installed |
| 06:46.43 | Lanken | infotron: ah, I got the netinst info. |
| 06:46.49 | valdyn | Lanken: you can grab the first CD too or the first dvd |
| 06:46.57 | Ryan52 | Lanken: yes, there is...go to debian.org and click the links. |
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| 06:48.30 | infotron | amitz: lol. nice to know that. "wtf" comes to mind, but thanks for the feedback. |
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| 06:50.33 | infotron | Lanken: the mini iso works great on my U3. I reprogrammed the cd image of it. :) I also wrote a Makefile to recreate a quick mini.iso with 64bit+32bit arch with stable,testing,daily testing installers. and grub ^.^ it rawkz. |
| 06:50.42 | pawbie | sasuke: grub-install |
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| 06:51.12 | Lanken | nice. you totally have a bigger *nix dick than me :) |
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| 06:51.39 | infotron | heh |
| 06:52.02 | sasuke781 | pawbie, what about grub-install? |
| 06:52.16 | F6F | moin |
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| 06:52.36 | sasuke781 | im wondering if theres a way to move it from where it is to where its sapose to be |
| 06:52.39 | amitz | infotron: http://rafb.net/p/Y8CGBr17.html |
| 06:52.48 | sasuke781 | on a windows machine |
| 06:52.53 | infotron | Lanken: I've misplaced it, but some of it is at http://li.daxal.com/~supaplex/debian/ |
| 06:53.03 | pawbie | sasuke: grub-install is how you "manually" install grub. |
| 06:53.07 | nmh_2Grajw | trolling for tips on getting postfix to try saslauthd (NOT sasldb), especially debian specific info |
| 06:53.22 | Lanken | heh, that's ok, I don't need it. |
| 06:53.51 | sasuke781 | well what do i do with that little info? i cant boot linux...thats why im in here |
| 06:54.01 | infotron | amitz: it's 404 |
| 06:54.06 | amitz | infotron: that's the output, can we know whether my ISP ban me from accessing ftp.debian.org or ftp.debian.org ban me. |
| 06:54.18 | sasuke781 | so im pretty sure that wont help me any >< |
| 06:54.37 | infotron | sasuke781: or goodbye-windows.com |
| 06:54.54 | amitz | infotron: so what does that mean besides "file noe found"? |
| 06:55.19 | infotron | amitz: your url says the file (paste) does not exist. |
| 06:55.34 | infotron | supaplex@li:~/public_html/debian$ HEAD http://rafb.net/p/Y8CGBr17.txt |
| 06:55.34 | infotron | 404 Not Found |
| 06:55.51 | valdyn | infotron: where did you get the .txt suffix from? |
| 06:55.59 | infotron | humm rafb is suppose to do both. |
| 06:56.22 | infotron | bah. those dorks :( that was my flavorite feature. |
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| 06:56.54 | dmnd | hi, my default website of apache2 is going to the first vhost i created, how do i disable this behaviour? |
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| 06:57.19 | Benjee | where in the /proc is the memory usage of a process? |
| 06:57.20 | dmnd | when i use a2ensite (which is crap) :) |
| 06:57.31 | Benjee | where in the /proc is the memory usage of a process? |
| 06:57.42 | infotron | !tell Benjee -about repeat |
| 06:57.43 | Benjee | oops sorry for repeating :) |
| 06:57.48 | amitz | infotron: http://rafb.net/p/Y8CGBr17.html , i don't how the hell the txt can be there |
| 06:57.50 | infotron | :) |
| 06:58.31 | infotron | amitz: just never mind my 404 whining. rafb USE to support both. I use to use GET rafb.net/foo.txt |
| 06:58.57 | amitz | infotron: okay then ^_^ |
| 07:00.20 | infotron | I'd ask your ISP what they're up to. I don't expect a core carrier like L3 to filter ftp.debian.org:21 |
| 07:00.43 | infotron | and send your isp the tcptraceroute output |
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| 07:02.13 | amitz | infotron: so the filtering is done by SanJose1 L3 carrier? |
| 07:02.19 | lapper | guys i have a pcmcia card that freezes mah debian |
| 07:02.21 | lapper | cool huh? |
| 07:02.50 | lapper | like |
| 07:02.52 | infotron | amitz: no. I think your ISP is fubaring your network connection. |
| 07:02.52 | lapper | nomatter what |
| 07:03.21 | infotron | lapper: my old laptop did that, until I disassembled it for parts. >:) |
| 07:03.23 | amitz | lapper: the pcmcia from globetrotter t-mobil crash debian when using ndiswrappe. That's one case I know. I have that. |
| 07:03.37 | lapper | neat |
| 07:03.42 | infotron | we're talking pentium 166 laptop |
| 07:03.43 | sasuke781 | im goin to bed guys....if i come back...you know that nothing worked and i still have the same problem lol |
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| 07:05.09 | amitz | infotron: That's what I suspect. They probably block all site with high traffic. |
| 07:05.16 | lapper | thats so dumb |
| 07:06.27 | infotron | amitz: can you tunnel ipv6? do you have a shell account anywhere? (ssh -D ftw) |
| 07:07.01 | amitz | infortron: on the other hand, I can't access linuxforums.org too... I'm quite disturbed by the possibility of what's happening\ |
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| 07:07.27 | lapper | welcome to the internet 2 |
| 07:08.01 | infotron | amitz: well, comcast is in hot water with the FCC for pulling stupids like that. |
| 07:08.02 | amitz | infotron: ftp.debian.org over ipv6? Must my ISP support ipv6 to be able to use it? |
| 07:08.18 | lapper | yah |
| 07:08.20 | infotron | there are a few ipv6 mirrors iirc. |
| 07:08.30 | lapper | but you can like.. tunnel |
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| 07:08.59 | infotron | mmm I think (I'm noobish on ipv6) that you can use an ipv4 address as part of the ipv6 one, and somehow it works. I have no clue how. :-x |
| 07:09.42 | lapper | you guys i have leporasy |
| 07:09.55 | valdyn | or you could just use a different mirror |
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| 07:09.59 | amitz | infotron/lapper: I'll look into it. As for my ISP crime, I'll have to test it with other people using the same ISP I use. |
| 07:10.07 | valdyn | not like ftp.debian.org is a particularily good choice |
| 07:11.42 | infotron | try mirrors.xmission.com |
| 07:12.22 | amitz | valdyn: I know, but it seems I can't use apt-cacher-ng without ftp.debian.org. |
| 07:12.38 | valdyn | amitz: i doubt that |
| 07:13.01 | valdyn | amitz: you need to configure apt-cacher-ng to use a different mirror, probably |
| 07:13.23 | amitz | valdyn: i'll try again. see what I do wrong. |
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| 07:14.41 | JonkoPA | How can I search which package a binary belongs to? |
| 07:14.59 | valdyn | !tell JonkoPA -about search |
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| 07:20.09 | infotron | watches kmail segfault into a mushroom cloud |
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| 07:21.40 | amitz | valdyn: yep, it doesn't work. even if I set the client to ftp.hk.debian.org and I have set ftp.hk.debian.org in backends_debian, Packages files are 404 not found |
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| 07:22.08 | infotron | how retarded |
| 07:23.04 | se7en_ | i still have the same problem ... i want to passwd protect my web site so i did set up .htaccess in /var/www/ and /etc/apache2/.htpasswd but i still can use the website without beeing asked for the passwd ... it is like the htaccess file doesn't exist |
| 07:23.24 | infotron | hummm torque has no debian packages? http://www.clusterresources.com/pages/products/torque-resource-manager.php |
| 07:23.24 | amitz | hold on |
| 07:23.44 | infotron | se7en_: so the junk you added to .htaccess had no effect? |
| 07:23.52 | asha | se7en_, allowoverrides needs to be enabled to the global config |
| 07:23.57 | se7en_ | yes infotron |
| 07:23.58 | infotron | eg echo "aughadkifuhaowireyufabosidufybaoiweuf" >> .htaccess |
| 07:24.11 | infotron | okay. then see what asha suggested. |
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| 07:24.26 | se7en_ | ahh ok let me check |
| 07:24.48 | infotron | anyway, $self->snooze(8h); # before work - call it a day. |
| 07:25.05 | lapper | g'night |
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| 07:30.02 | amitz | infotron/valdyn: it works! silly me. misconfiguration |
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| 07:40.01 | mazzanet | hmm interesting |
| 07:40.20 | mazzanet | the last apt upgrade i did upgraded smbd |
| 07:40.28 | mazzanet | and for some reason it won't daemonize anymore |
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| 07:45.57 | omri | ok, I just did a mv file /dev/sda1; what is the damage? :\ |
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| 07:46.12 | omri | a small file |
| 07:46.24 | omri | it's a reiserfs partition |
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| 07:48.43 | mazzanet | oh i see |
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| 07:48.55 | mazzanet | in the new version "load printers" defaults to yes |
| 07:49.09 | mazzanet | and thus smbd hung whilst trying to the non-existant cups server |
| 07:49.11 | mazzanet | : |
| 07:49.13 | mazzanet | :/ |
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| 07:56.16 | alphaman1101 | Im using proftpd i hae it setup right and the default document ir set to the apache path (dont care) but when i try to make a file oer ftp i get permision denied. anyone care to help? |
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| 07:57.36 | alphaman1101 | I have the user and proftpd in the sae group as apache |
| 07:57.46 | WormFood | alphaman1101, I can't walk you through it, but I'll make a general comment....many problems are caused by wrong ownership or wrong permissions |
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| 08:01.32 | nmh_2Grajw | anyone around here know much about cyrus-sasl? |
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| 08:08.24 | edkid | slm |
| 08:08.30 | edkid | türkçe bilen varmı |
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| 08:10.25 | edkid | help me!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 08:11.24 | WormFood | edkid, you'll have a much easier time getting help if you used english, and stated your problem |
| 08:11.46 | WormFood | NOBODY can help you if you don't say anything more than "help me" |
| 08:11.55 | edkid | WormFood I not english |
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| 08:12.11 | edkid | I sepeak turkish |
| 08:12.20 | edkid | I speak turkish |
| 08:12.31 | WormFood | and I speak chinese |
| 08:12.36 | WormFood | well....a little bit |
| 08:12.53 | glaslos | good morning, im searching for: "LaTeX Error: File `clop.sty' not found" cant find the package with clop.sty included |
| 08:12.53 | WormFood | æ说å¾ä¸å¥½ |
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| 08:13.11 | d-woodrow | edkid do you have taffy in turkey? |
| 08:13.18 | WormFood | too slow d-woodrow |
| 08:13.18 | freebird | portuguese |
| 08:14.51 | nmh_2Grajw | glaslos: what are you compiling? |
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| 08:16.13 | glaslos | nmh_2Grajw: tex code |
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| 08:17.07 | nmh_2Grajw | glasslos: I was asking what tex document are you compiling, maybe that might shed light on clop.sty |
| 08:17.56 | glaslos | mom, i paste the error log |
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| 08:18.39 | glaslos | nmh_2Grajw: http://pastebin.com/m743e6e49 |
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| 08:21.42 | nmh_2Grajw | glaslos: what breaks if you comment out the line |
| 08:21.42 | nmh_2Grajw | \usepackage{clop} |
| 08:23.14 | glaslos | nmh_2Grajw, thanks, i think, it's a stylefile from a user |
| 08:23.39 | phr3ak | The following packages have been kept back: librrds-perl rrdtool |
| 08:23.39 | phr3ak | dpkg --get-selections '*rrd*' |
| 08:23.39 | phr3ak | librrds-perl install |
| 08:23.39 | phr3ak | rrdtool install |
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| 08:23.39 | dpkg | phr3ak: wish i knew |
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| 08:27.10 | phr3ak | why kept back if the status is not hold? |
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| 08:37.44 | LinuXophile | Salam |
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| 08:40.34 | zyx386 | how can i block website from my network for ever? |
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| 08:43.08 | CAiRO- | hmm, my server has a load above 50 but when i run top, i cannot see any processes taking that much cpu |
| 08:43.12 | CAiRO- | what could be the reason? |
| 08:43.22 | CAiRO- | how can i find out whats wrong? |
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| 08:47.08 | valdyn | CAiRO-: load does not mean cpu |
| 08:47.26 | CAiRO- | what does it mean? how can i find out which process is responsible? |
| 08:47.33 | valdyn | CAiRO-: what does your service do? |
| 08:47.38 | valdyn | CAiRO-: what does your server do? |
| 08:47.51 | CAiRO- | all kinds of stuff.. mail, web, dns etc. |
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| 08:48.41 | valdyn | CAiRO-: the load value is "the number of processes waiting for resources" ( other than user input ) |
| 08:48.58 | valdyn | CAiRO-: its your network thats queueing up processes i guess |
| 08:49.23 | CAiRO- | ah, ok, thanks |
| 08:49.37 | CAiRO- | so maybe disk accesses are the bottleneck? |
| 08:49.45 | valdyn | CAiRO-: thats possible too |
| 08:50.08 | valdyn | CAiRO-: you should see plenty processes in D state |
| 08:50.26 | CAiRO- | yes, i can see them.. most of them apache |
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| 08:50.52 | valdyn | CAiRO-: theres nothing inherently bad about this. Is your server responding to slow? |
| 08:51.05 | bobf | Hello. I can't seem to get my /etc/sudoers file configured right. I added myself as a sudoer, but I can't get it to require that I enter my password. |
| 08:51.33 | valdyn | CAiRO-: kernel.org servers do loads of 1000 and respond just fine.. |
| 08:51.43 | CAiRO- | well, it's ok, i've installed an apache module that sends 503 service unavailable if the load goes above 50.. |
| 08:51.54 | bobf | bob ALL=PASSWD: ALL |
| 08:51.57 | CAiRO- | maybe that was not suche a good idea |
| 08:52.09 | bobf | I would expect that to do it (I would expect it to be on by default too but that doesn't appear to be the case either). |
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| 08:53.06 | CAiRO- | valdyn: in the past, the load would go much higher and then i had problems sshing into the box |
| 08:53.49 | valdyn | CAiRO-: yea, right, the load tells you how many processes have to share a resource |
| 08:54.13 | valdyn | CAiRO-: disks are slow so uh, many processes accessing the same spindles concurrently is bad |
| 08:54.36 | valdyn | CAiRO-: for a (multi)-gigabit network access thats a little different |
| 08:54.52 | valdyn | CAiRO-: like http://cacti.kernel.org/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=3, the Zeus1/2 machines |
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| 08:54.56 | CAiRO- | ok, thanks a lot for the explanation |
| 08:55.23 | valdyn | CAiRO-: you want a raid1 if concurrent disk reads is the issue |
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| 08:55.53 | valdyn | CAiRO-: or more ram.. |
| 08:57.12 | CAiRO- | yes, probably more ram, theres already a raid1 |
| 08:57.34 | CAiRO- | but only 1 gb of ram |
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| 08:58.20 | valdyn | CAiRO-: you can have as many mirrors as you want in raid1.. |
| 08:58.52 | CAiRO- | ah, ok, so i should maybe add more disks |
| 08:59.22 | valdyn | CAiRO-: yea, as long as writes dont happen |
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| 08:59.25 | valdyn | (much) |
| 09:00.08 | CAiRO- | valdyn: well, i think apache does mostly reads.. but there might be some writes to log files or from the mail service too |
| 09:00.35 | valdyn | CAiRO-: you also seem to have everything needed to log in via ssh on the same disks, probably even logs.. on the same disks |
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| 09:01.22 | valdyn | CAiRO-: if it was split off you could easily log in even if the web serving disks were completely congested |
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| 09:07.40 | bobf | Oh well, I fixed it. |
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| 09:09.49 | mordy_ | what does *-ng mean? |
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| 09:11.23 | CAiRO- | valdyn: yes, youre certainly right |
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| 09:13.07 | dmnd | how do i find out in what package the check_load binary of nagios is shipped? |
| 09:13.47 | avu | !tell dmnd about search |
| 09:14.32 | dmnd | thanks |
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| 09:17.08 | enouf | mordy_: most times, next-generation |
| 09:17.13 | mordy_ | oh |
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| 09:17.48 | enouf | neo, nex-gen, hippy chick :-P |
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| 09:18.45 | mordy_ | and i thought "ng" was pronounce as some kind of nasal sneer |
| 09:18.53 | enouf | hippie* :-P (no, i don't like chicks with beards, long unkempt hair, sandals , needing showers) |
| 09:19.30 | mordy_ | nor chest hair |
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| 09:20.04 | enouf | !spank mordy_ with a crappy Intel GMCH |
| 09:20.04 | dpkg | bends mordy_ with a crappy Intel GMCH over its knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 09:20.21 | mordy_ | !gmch |
| 09:20.33 | enouf | graphics memory controller hhub |
| 09:20.47 | mordy_ | hehe, i've got a few of those :| |
| 09:20.50 | enouf | aka; northbridge |
| 09:21.28 | mordy_ | err.. aren't those basically names of those chips that steal memory? |
| 09:22.11 | lapper | guys i have a pcmcia card that freezes mah debian |
| 09:22.16 | lapper | cool huh? |
| 09:22.37 | mordy_ | maybe try pa debian |
| 09:22.58 | enouf | it's generally used when the Chipset has onboard video, but refers to the architecture of the motherboard - just silly intel nomenclature .. akin to Centrino - though not intel specific |
| 09:23.50 | peppe | lapper: maybe it's broken and it causes faults at hardware level? |
| 09:23.53 | mordy_ | i guess AMD would have something similar as well, enouf - but never used AMD |
| 09:24.12 | mordy_ | goold ol' Hal |
| 09:25.03 | bolt | gah. which ftp client can handle files >2gb? |
| 09:25.18 | bolt | i like yafc, but this file size limit is starting to get annoying |
| 09:25.39 | enouf | bolt: you sure no fat/vfat is involved? |
| 09:26.09 | mordy_ | enouf - why would it make a difference? FAT limit is 4G |
| 09:26.21 | bolt | enouf: yep. ext3 |
| 09:26.25 | enouf | mordy_: not on legacy win9x |
| 09:26.38 | bolt | enouf: it's a known limitation in yafc, says google |
| 09:26.50 | enouf | mordy_: and fat16 partition size limit is 2GB |
| 09:27.09 | mordy_ | scratches head ans tries to recall his win9x partition size |
| 09:27.13 | peppe | bolt: ncftp, gftp, ... there are so many clients... |
| 09:27.46 | enouf | mordy_: fat32 (vfat) File Size limit is 2GB for legacy, 4GB for non-Leagcy |
| 09:28.26 | mordy_ | if by non-legacy, you mean 2k+, then that's not the case at all :D |
| 09:28.26 | enouf | mordy_: fat32 partition size limit is ~2TB, but silly to try and even get close to that |
| 09:28.33 | mordy_ | oh |
| 09:28.48 | enouf | right 2K and newer is considered non-legacy |
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| 09:29.30 | mordy_ | gah, let me read up on this. i've never quite understood what (and whether there is a) difference there is between vfat and fat32 |
| 09:29.48 | enouf | even though XPoop installer only allowed you to create ~32GB fat32 partition, that was an intended MPoop thing, so to force people to use ntfs for larger partitions - never was a limitation of fat32 partition size |
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| 09:30.16 | enouf | mordy_: there is, though considered quite minor in most cases |
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| 09:32.11 | enouf | mordy_: vfat is more like support for long filenames and such (yes, read up, i forget the exact specifics), many of hte attributes that fat32 introduced ~ win95 OSR2 release |
| 09:32.28 | mordy_ | to force ntfs so people wouldn't try to install other operating systems (or even legacy operating system?) |
| 09:32.29 | enouf | mordy_: but for all intents and purposes, it's used interchangeably |
| 09:32.59 | mordy_ | enouf, like microsof~ :p |
| 09:33.04 | enouf | mordy_: no idea what MPoop's reasoning was - it never would make sense :-P |
| 09:33.26 | mordy_ | limit is 8 chars for fat16, iirc |
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| 09:33.44 | avu | 8.3 |
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| 09:34.15 | enouf | mordy_: indeed - win9x only would play nice with ntfs if using fat16, ntfs is/was entirely incompatible for those win9x OSes |
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| 09:34.57 | enouf | hehe C:\PROGRA~1\NOTEPAD.EXE :-p |
| 09:35.03 | enouf | hides |
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| 09:35.18 | mordy_ | hehe, i still miss win95, but that was my first OS |
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| 09:37.18 | mordy_ | win2k was nice as well hehe |
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| 09:38.51 | enouf | mordy_: memory lane == gutter alley ? :-P |
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| 09:39.50 | Misterjos | can i put my HD where the debian OS is installed on, in automatic standby after 15 minutes with hdparm? Or is the HD required to run the system even when idle? |
| 09:39.59 | mordy_ | hehe, enouf all i can tell you is that i would have been a guru now if my first computer had been *nix |
| 09:40.44 | enouf | mordy_: ya know - same here - but i've been corrupted long ago :-P |
| 09:41.04 | pumpkin0 | Misterjos: debian writes logs every XY min, so the disc will still up from time to time. If you disable the logs or put them on a different space (like ramdisc).. sure. |
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| 09:41.35 | enouf | Misterjos: also, if there's network activity, that too might keep your disk 'alive' |
| 09:42.25 | enouf | thinks, IIRC, the default time stamp on syslog is ~20min --MARK-- entries |
| 09:42.45 | alys | Recently, I installed Etch from the 'minimal install' CD that I downloaded and burned. It installed Open Office and I don't want it. However, when I type 'aptitude remove openoffice.org' nothing happens! How do I get rid of it, please? |
| 09:42.50 | Misterjos | well, my pc is running 24/7, but i dont use it the whole time, and a hd makes heat and noise so i would prefer if it shuts down if i dont use it |
| 09:42.54 | pumpkin0 | moved the /var-part onto a ramdisc... |
| 09:43.13 | Misterjos | how did you do that pumpkin0? |
| 09:43.18 | mordy_ | what do you mean 'nothing happened'? |
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| 09:44.00 | alys | The program went through all the usual dialog and then displayed 'no programs removed' - or similar |
| 09:44.09 | hendrik123 | I have a cronjob every 3 minutes, this appears in the log files: |
| 09:44.10 | hendrik123 | syslog: /USR/SBIN/CRON[6084]: (www-data) |
| 09:44.12 | hendrik123 | auth.log: CRON[*]: (pam_unix) session opened for user www-data |
| 09:44.13 | hendrik123 | Can i prevent linux from logging this? |
| 09:44.28 | mordy_ | gah, i don't know the commands, but see what it's installed under |
| 09:44.38 | pumpkin0 | Misterjos: you create a ramdisc, cp /var over and link /var to the new place. it has to be done at every reboot (it should be possible with clever fstabs) |
| 09:44.41 | mordy_ | i don't think aptitude is so explicit when it can't find a package |
| 09:44.49 | alys | mordy_: thanks |
| 09:44.58 | enouf | Misterjos: for me, just having the Monitor go into standby mode is plenty of saving - HDDs like to be spinning all the time, once up and running - but hey, heat issues, fortunately, i don't have |
| 09:45.47 | mordy_ | my HDDs never give me heat issues, but then again i haven't used a 'real' one in a while. all are either SSD or 2.5 |
| 09:46.04 | mordy_ | man, those SSDs are cool |
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| 09:46.25 | enouf | now, that said, i recall annoying minuscule 'writes to disk' from a default install (sarge era), and killing famd, and mounting with noatime helped that IIRC |
| 09:46.48 | pumpkin0 | there is also the laptop-mode "hack" .... |
| 09:46.49 | Misterjos | ok thanks enouf and pumpkin0 |
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| 09:47.07 | Misterjos | i once read about puppy linux, its supposed to run from an usb stick |
| 09:47.17 | Misterjos | looked quite cool |
| 09:47.48 | pumpkin0 | Misterjos: you can have debian-on-a-stick too. But there is no (?) repackaged stick to start with... |
| 09:48.19 | WormFood | knoppix will run from a usb drive too |
| 09:48.25 | Misterjos | i once tried to make my stick bootable, and install from my stick (to not have to waste a cd, since i just do a netinstall) but it didnt work back then |
| 09:48.38 | enouf | i do have older loud HDDs .. real annoying ;-) .. so, minimal writes is best - but over the years, i'm so accustomed to determining when disk writes occur from 'noise', that these newer silent HDDs piss me off sometimes :-P (i do like the quiet ones, trust me) |
| 09:48.56 | Misterjos | lol :D |
| 09:49.09 | Misterjos | i remember windows xp has these little writes also |
| 09:49.09 | mordy_ | they give me the chills enouf - the old ones |
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| 09:49.16 | Misterjos | i found it extremely annoying |
| 09:49.18 | mordy_ | this MSI wind has one of those noisy HDDs |
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| 09:49.37 | pumpkin0 | i have a laptop running from USB-stick, but mostly to save energy. |
| 09:49.40 | enouf | mordy_: using tune2fs to make it auto fsck on every third mount helps me relax ;-) |
| 09:49.44 | mordy_ | one would only wonder why they would use a 2.5 HDD in an "ultraportable" |
| 09:50.00 | mordy_ | :)) |
| 09:50.35 | enouf | mordy_: so at most, i'm only 2 reboots away from it happening - though really, if it was going to die from noise, it would've died ~10 years ago :-P |
| 09:50.37 | pumpkin0 | mordy_: does the MSI-wind boot from SD ? |
| 09:50.42 | troubled | enouf: you can tell what part of your drive is being written to by the sound? dude, thats hard core ;) |
| 09:50.50 | Misterjos | i would put 4G ram in my system and load my whole OS in my ram if that were possible |
| 09:50.56 | enouf | mordy_: and no, a fsck won't help seized up heads O_o |
| 09:51.21 | mordy_ | pumpkin0, it shoudl - although i don't have SD - only sony :( |
| 09:51.22 | enouf | troubled: pretty much - i wouldn't wish it on anyone though ;-) |
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| 09:51.56 | troubled | enouf: "Wait a minute....virus is sapping my boot sector! *SlamHandOnDesk*" :) |
| 09:52.04 | dustybin | can linux do 'super-g 108mbps' modes with wireless atheros PCI cards? |
| 09:52.07 | pumpkin0 | Misterjos: it is possible. It is quite easy if you have a gigabyte iRAM drive. |
| 09:52.20 | enouf | hehe .. not like that troubled .. but ok, i'm game ;-) |
| 09:52.49 | troubled | enouf: did you catch the reference? :) |
| 09:52.50 | Jemt | Greeetz. I'm trying to install TrueCrypt on Etch. I follow this guide: http://www.howtoforge.com/setting-up-truecrypt-5.1a-on-debian-etch-gnome - but this step fails: "make WX_ROOT=~/Desktop/wxGTK-2.8.7 wxbuild". I use version 2.8.8 (stable) instead of 2.8.7. Could someone tell me what to do ? |
| 09:52.57 | Misterjos | i have 1012.2 MiB ram |
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| 09:53.28 | troubled | enouf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvJ6yDZ_HAA&eurl=http://www.wegame.com/watch/Engy_Dinner/ |
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| 09:54.08 | se7en | question ... if i ssh into another box and start screen + irssi i have the remote time. would a file ~/.profile with the entry export TZ='??/??' get the local time only for my ssh account |
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| 09:54.37 | mordy_ | pumpkin0, i really don't know why everyone makes such a big deal about the MSI wind, i personally think it's the crappiest laptop to be that small in history. maybe i'm just pissed because i payed double for this thing (like anything else here in israel) |
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| 09:55.36 | enouf | Misterjos: it's very possible to load the whole OS into RAM - years back, Gigabyte came out with a "iRAM" thing they called it, it plugged into the PCI slot, used the SATA Connector for transfers, took 4 x1GB PC3200 DIMMS :-) |
| 09:55.48 | enouf | Misterjos: nowadays, there's SSDs though as mentioned |
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| 09:56.02 | Misterjos | idd but they are expensive |
| 09:56.14 | Misterjos | well, maybe its just a few months away for me |
| 09:56.14 | pumpkin0 | mordy_: my current laptop is well past its best-used-before date. i want something small with outdoor readable display and high resolution. That is going to be very expensive.... |
| 09:56.47 | Jemt | Can someone tell me what 'wxbuild' is supposed to be ? make WX_ROOT=~/Desktop/wxGTK-2.8.7 wxbuild |
| 09:56.53 | mordy_ | pumpkin - go sony. if you want a good display get a sony laptop. there's no beating sony when it comes to it |
| 09:56.55 | Jemt | A filename ? |
| 09:57.01 | Jemt | Or argument |
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| 09:57.28 | mordy_ | pumpkin0, the problem is that sony is usually flimsy and very inflexible in terms of bios - but it's good enough to be content with what comes already in the box |
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| 09:58.18 | mordy_ | pumpkin0, you can get an older (2005-2006) vgn-tx 7xx or 6xx series. should be about $1,000 these days. it's pretty good. (although mine has a punched-out LCD hehe) |
| 09:58.37 | pumpkin0 | mordy_: i'm thinking about the X200/300 from lenovo. The displays are transflexive so you can use them w/o backlight in the sun. That is easier on the eyes then the glares sony sells. |
| 09:59.32 | enouf | troubled: haha, i'm not used to cartoons .. watching though ;-) |
| 09:59.59 | mordy_ | pumpkin0... hmm -interesting - never knew lenovo did that. those are new and expensive - no? |
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| 10:00.21 | Trewas | pumpkin0: X41 (and X60/61) at least have quite bad displays, but hopefully they are using something better in the newer ones |
| 10:00.33 | pumpkin0 | mordy_: the transflexvies started about 6 years ago. The X200/300 series is new. |
| 10:00.40 | mordy_ | ibm usually makes good stuff, but horrible LCDs |
| 10:00.48 | troubled | enouf: its funnier if you have played tf2 or portal (The cake is a lie!) |
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| 10:01.08 | pumpkin0 | Trewas: i know. But you could still use them even if the colors are way off and the contrast was ~300:1 |
| 10:01.27 | se7en | question ... if i ssh into another box and start screen + irssi i have the remote time. would a file ~/.profile with the entry export TZ='??/??' get the local time only for my ssh account |
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| 10:01.50 | enouf | troubled: ahh .. ;-) |
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| 10:02.29 | mordy_ | pumpkin0, from a quick search, it seems that a transflexive display is simply adding a different filter behind the LCD, so any LCD should do |
| 10:03.21 | pumpkin0 | mordy_: nope. the glare coating on the top blocks the light from the outside. You have to remove the top layer and add another one at the botton. |
| 10:06.04 | mordy_ | hmm.. interesting. taking apart sony's LCD, i didn't see any backlight. in fact i was looking all around to see where the thing got its light from |
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| 10:07.32 | pumpkin0 | power it up. |
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| 10:07.55 | mordy_ | pumpkin - tried that - but it seemed to be coming from the bottom. but i saw no 'lamp |
| 10:08.02 | mordy_ | ' there. interesting |
| 10:08.33 | enouf | Jemt: you'd have to post full comands + errors to pastebin to even get a bite |
| 10:08.49 | Jemt | enouf: Okay, I'll do that :) |
| 10:08.56 | pumpkin0 | mordy_: if it is a newer model: look for LEDs, not tubes. |
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| 10:09.46 | mordy_ | pumpkin0 - even that wasn't found - :( |
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| 10:11.22 | enouf | Jemt: i don't see any wxGTK 2.8.x versions in Etch http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=wxGTK&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
| 10:11.39 | Jemt | enouf: Nope - I've downloaded the source |
| 10:11.47 | Jemt | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/1083345 |
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| 10:12.05 | enouf | Jemt: oh ,well .. let's see |
| 10:12.14 | Jemt | :) |
| 10:12.30 | Jemt | Hm, misspelled "tried" |
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| 10:15.03 | Jemt | enouf: Oh, seems it's not too happy about relative paths |
| 10:15.05 | enouf | Jemt: 1st off, pastebin output of "ls -l ~/Desktop/wxGTK-2.8.8/" |
| 10:15.34 | Jemt | enouf: It seems to be doing something now that I did "make WX_ROOT=/home/jemt/Desktop/wxGTK-2.8.8 wxbuild" |
| 10:15.49 | enouf | Jemt: maybe i should leave you alone for a while... |
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| 10:15.58 | Jemt | enouf: Yes, thanks anyways :) |
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| 10:20.24 | enouf | was fixing broken symlinks due to relative paths last night .. what a mess |
| 10:21.04 | Ace2016_- | i thought relative paths helped prevent broken symlinks |
| 10:21.28 | enouf | gave up after a while - screw it, i'll live with grep spitting out "No such file or directory errors" every now and then :-P |
| 10:21.45 | enouf | Ace2016_-: think again |
| 10:21.58 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 10:22.39 | Ace2016_- | oh it'd break if you move the target or the symlink whereas the static symlink only breaks if you move the target |
| 10:23.03 | enouf | nobody moved anything |
| 10:23.37 | pumpkin0 | enouf: you just removed something from fstab ? |
| 10:23.48 | elgnnnnnns | hi. if i install etch, i replace "etch" for "lenny" in sources.list, and then i do apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade, do i obtain lenny? |
| 10:24.14 | pumpkin0 | elgnnnnnns: yes. |
| 10:24.18 | enouf | half of the problem was likely due to localepurge, and the other half, likely drunk programming :-P |
| 10:24.22 | elgnnnnnns | pumpkin0» thanks |
| 10:24.32 | enouf | pumpkin0: no, not at all |
| 10:25.05 | enouf | elgnnnnnns: please do "/msg dpkg etch->lenny" and read the Changelogs |
| 10:25.05 | Ace2016_- | pumpkin0: use a lenny netinstall disk, daily built images |
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| 10:25.36 | elgnnnnnns | enouf» ok |
| 10:25.56 | enouf | wow, those rectangles are the bain of irc :-P |
| 10:26.26 | samd | how do i check iptables entry are store where /how can i edit them |
| 10:26.33 | Ace2016_- | elgnnnnnns: use a lenny netinstall disk, daily built images |
| 10:26.47 | Ace2016_- | i used one to install lenny and jump to sid |
| 10:26.53 | elgnnnnnns | ace2001_-» i can't |
| 10:27.09 | Ace2016_- | why not? |
| 10:27.13 | elgnnnnnns | it will take a lot of time? (apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade) |
| 10:27.26 | Ace2016_- | it'll be faster to netinstall |
| 10:27.29 | elgnnnnnns | Ace2016_-» because i can't burn the image |
| 10:27.33 | pumpkin0 | elgnnnnnns: it will download lots of stuff ... |
| 10:27.35 | enouf | Ace2016_-: why are you recommending sid? |
| 10:27.44 | elgnnnnnns | pumpkin0» yes... i know :( |
| 10:27.47 | Ace2016_- | i said i did it, not that elgnnnnnns should do it |
| 10:27.53 | enouf | Ace2016_-: well, maybe not directly, but |
| 10:27.57 | enouf | ok |
| 10:28.04 | Ace2016_- | elgnnnnnns: get a dvd-rw risk, it'll last a long time |
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| 10:28.18 | pumpkin0 | elgnnnnnns: there are usb-stick images with installers ... |
| 10:28.33 | elgnnnnnns | no, i can't, i can't and i can't :D |
| 10:28.33 | enouf | samd: install the iptables pkg - and try iptables -L |
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| 10:29.11 | elgnnnnnns | there are a lot of solutions, but the one that i explained is the one i can do |
| 10:29.12 | enouf | samd: default install have no firewalls, no rules set |
| 10:29.24 | samd | yes i am getting output but how do i check this rules,policy |
| 10:29.56 | enouf | man iptables |
| 10:30.09 | samd | ok |
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| 10:33.15 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 10:33.27 | HardDisk_WP | has the weirdo xserver bug with vmware been resolved? |
| 10:33.49 | HardDisk_WP | when you have debian running in vmware, then your mouse doesn't run |
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| 10:40.29 | Ace2016_- | HardDisk_WP: tried VirtualBox? |
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| 10:40.51 | Pavlz | hello |
| 10:41.01 | Pavlz | we see this evevning |
| 10:41.22 | HardDisk_WP | Ace2016_-, no, but I don't like to switch *again* |
| 10:41.38 | Pavlz | i i come only to give you a good morning |
| 10:41.46 | Ace2016_- | Pavlz: could you also have a look at the lottery numbers please |
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| 10:43.47 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 10:43.50 | mordy_ | this guy is funny |
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| 10:48.29 | Ace2016_- | HardDisk_WP: i just installed XP in Virtualbox and its very fast, as fast as my laptop, i'm going to install some stuff and test it out |
| 10:49.41 | Ace2016_- | its never occurred to me just how much i like the xp blue taskbar until just now |
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| 11:03.26 | Ace2016_- | i have a proper bug report, the first proper one, and i don't think anyone has filed it yet |
| 11:03.34 | Ace2016_- | !bug report |
| 11:03.34 | dpkg | [bug report] http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting |
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| 11:16.00 | dutchfish | is it possible to see if a certain #bugnumber has been fixed in querybts foo ? |
| 11:18.38 | dutchfish | already got it [banging my head on table] ... nvm |
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| 11:20.01 | abrotman | heh |
| 11:20.22 | dutchfish | abrotman, querybts only shows non-fixed bugs |
| 11:20.40 | abrotman | apt-listbugs maybe? |
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| 11:22.55 | war9407 | gpgv: Signature made Sat 26 Jul 2008 04:32:19 AM EDT using DSA key ID 6070D3A1 -> [GNUPG:] ERRSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 17 2 00 1217061139 9 -> [GNUPG:] NO_PUBKEY A70DAF536070D3A1 -> gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found -> gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error -> gpgv: Signature made Sat 26 Jul 2008 04:32:19 AM EDT using DSA key ID 6070D3A1 -> gpgv: Can't check signature: public key not found |
| 11:23.01 | war9407 | anyone know how to fix? trying to run debmirror |
| 11:23.10 | dutchfish | abrotman, thank you |
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| 11:25.06 | war9407 | gpgv: keyblock resource `/root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg': general error |
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| 11:27.49 | war9407 | nvm got it |
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| 11:35.48 | Nyle | g'morning |
| 11:36.34 | egns | morninggg |
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| 11:37.24 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
| 11:37.31 | HardDisk_WP | someone who wants to debug my X? |
| 11:37.31 | HardDisk_WP | http://velirat.de/~marco/test/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:37.41 | HardDisk_WP | http://velirat.de/~marco/test/xorg.conf |
| 11:37.50 | HardDisk_WP | why is the mouse not bein' recognized? |
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| 11:38.22 | HardDisk_WP | see the last lines of the log |
| 11:38.23 | HardDisk_WP | (EE) No Input driver matching `mouse' |
| 11:38.24 | HardDisk_WP | (EE) No Input driver matching `kbd' |
| 11:38.39 | egns | yeah, i'm seeing them |
| 11:39.12 | egns | have you installed these drivers? |
| 11:39.28 | HardDisk_WP | i installed every xserver-xorg-input package |
| 11:39.42 | egns | ok |
| 11:39.47 | SpeedyG | you're running this over vmware |
| 11:39.48 | SpeedyG | ? |
| 11:40.02 | HardDisk_WP | yes, this is a system running in vmware |
| 11:41.22 | SeJo | where can i find the testing package for wicd? |
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| 11:41.41 | SeJo | on the apt.wicd.net i only see the 1.4.x release and not the 1.5.x |
| 11:41.52 | SpeedyG | it cant load the vmmouse submodule 'mouse' so I guess its a problem in vmware rather dan X |
| 11:41.55 | SpeedyG | *than X |
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| 11:42.23 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: aptitude install xorg ? |
| 11:42.43 | SeJo | .73 |
| 11:43.05 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, for some reason this wants to remove g++ o_O |
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| 11:43.28 | HardDisk_WP | brb |
| 11:44.18 | abrotman | i think i'd fix that |
| 11:46.49 | babbage | I modified /etc/apt/{preferences,sources.list} to get a single package from sid, but now I find that some apt-get install requests (example: libsdl1.2-dev) result in a "package has no installation candidate" error. Could somebody take a look at my preferences file (it's at http://paste.debian.net/13046/) and tell me what I broke? I'm sure the problem is in /etc/apt/preferences, because emptying it makes the problem go away. |
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| 11:49.05 | Quibus | Hi all, is there a way to see what is running on which CPU? |
| 11:50.07 | wols_ | it's dynamically assigned |
| 11:50.46 | Quibus | yes, but I'd like to see what is running on each CPU, like in top, but then with info about about threads on CPU-id |
| 11:51.08 | Quibus | I can't find it in atop either |
| 11:51.20 | wols_ | there is no point. this microsecond your task runs on cpu0, the next on cpu1 |
| 11:51.27 | wols_ | there is no affinity unless you force it |
| 11:52.03 | Quibus | aha |
| 11:52.10 | Quibus | and it is per thread or per process? |
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| 11:52.25 | abrotman | in linux threads are processes IIRC |
| 11:52.36 | wols_ | abrotman: mostly afaik |
| 11:52.38 | Quibus | abrotman: well, they're very similar but not the same |
| 11:52.53 | abrotman | in linux? or in $OTHER_OS ? |
| 11:52.55 | wols_ | Quibus: you don't really know how linux does threading right? |
| 11:53.01 | abrotman | !threads |
| 11:53.02 | abrotman | !thread |
| 11:53.03 | dpkg | [thread] something that keep cloth together |
| 11:53.07 | abrotman | dpkg: no help |
| 11:53.07 | dpkg | no idea, abrotman |
| 11:53.20 | abrotman | it may have changed with ntpl .. but i don't think so |
| 11:53.22 | Quibus | wols_: I knew it at some point, as I had it in a course once, but that was 4 years ago |
| 11:53.53 | wols_ | it shows |
| 11:53.58 | abrotman | !pthreads |
| 11:53.58 | dpkg | pthreads are the POSIX implemention of threads. A multithreaded program has several lines of execution sharing the same address space. To learn about how to use pthreads, see http://mas.cs.umass.edu/~wagner/threads_html/tutorial.html, or install glibc-doc then check out /usr/share/doc/glibc-doc/html/chapters_34.html, which is an overview of pthreads |
| 11:54.06 | Quibus | wols_: well, if you know it so well, teach me :P |
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| 11:54.45 | wols_ | NPTL uses a similar approach to LinuxThreads, in that the primary abstraction known by the kernel is still a process, and new threads are created with the clone() system call (called from the NPTL library). However, NPTL requires specialized kernel support to implement (for example) the contended case of synchronisation primitives which might require threads to sleep and wake again. The primitive used for this is known as a futex. |
| 11:54.48 | babbage | I don't know why all this messing about with pthread discussion. Just read the manpage for sched_setaffinity. |
| 11:55.04 | Quibus | there is at least a clear difference between threads and processes. Processes can't influence each others state (without IPC), threads can, as they share common data. |
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| 11:55.57 | babbage | Quibus, more or less. Better just to read the manpage for clone(2), which sets out the differences in some detail. |
| 11:56.01 | Quibus | Anyway, I'm asking, because e.g. when using iceweasel, which I expect to be a multithreaded app, seems to use only the first CPU. |
| 11:56.20 | babbage | Quibus, I think that is not the problem. |
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| 11:56.36 | babbage | Quibus, I expect the problem is that the thing that uses all the CPU is the Javascript interpreter. |
| 11:57.14 | Quibus | babbage: well, I'd like to see Linux make use of the other CPU's. I mean, without me doing a make -j 4 |
| 11:58.33 | Quibus | hmm, actually, when I use -j 3, I see it's using all 4 CPU's evenly |
| 11:58.42 | babbage | Quibus, the problem is that the Javascript is single-threaded. The problem is not Linux. Without a better Javascript implementation in your browser, nothing will change. The OS is not the problem. |
| 11:58.45 | uzsolt | 1 |
| 11:58.45 | Quibus | That's probably already a demo of what I'm looking for |
| 11:58.59 | uzsolt | sorry |
| 11:59.04 | babbage | Quibus, you mean "make -j3"? |
| 11:59.27 | Quibus | whitespace, who cares :P |
| 11:59.34 | Quibus | (Python programmers do, of course) |
| 11:59.53 | babbage | Quibus, I meant, did you mean "with make"? You hadn't said so. |
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| 12:00.30 | Quibus | babbage: I mentioned 'make', because there I can explicitly tell it to spawn multiple processes that do a lot of work, so it's clear the other CPU's will be used |
| 12:00.47 | Quibus | (And with make, I do realize there are explicit processes involved) |
| 12:01.05 | babbage | I modified /etc/apt/{preferences,sources.list} to get a single package from sid, but now I find that some apt-get install requests (example: libsdl1.2-dev) result in a "package has no installation candidate" error. Could somebody take a look at my preferences file (it's at http://paste.debian.net/13046/) and tell me what I broke? I'm sure the problem is in /etc/apt/preferences, because emptying it makes the problem go away. |
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| 12:01.32 | abrotman | you mixed |
| 12:01.56 | babbage | Quibus, the problem is the JS implementation. If you are currently using Firefox 2, you might find things a little better on upgrading to version 3. But it's still not great. |
| 12:02.02 | abrotman | Quibus: FF isn't threaded |
| 12:02.07 | Quibus | ah |
| 12:02.26 | Quibus | What would be a good example of a multithreaded app to see this? |
| 12:02.41 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, http://velirat.de/~marco/test/strange.bmp |
| 12:02.46 | abrotman | babbage: i'd guess that last stanza isn't good |
| 12:02.46 | babbage | drepper has some torture test somewhere I'm sure. |
| 12:02.50 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, what the hell is goin' on here? |
| 12:02.56 | HardDisk_WP | and what's the {u}? |
| 12:03.21 | babbage | abrotman, I'll try removing it. Is there a comment syntax in the preferences file? |
| 12:03.23 | Quibus | drepper? |
| 12:03.28 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: well .. based on my extensive knowledge of the Albanian language .. can't really tell |
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| 12:04.06 | Alkor | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:04.21 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, press F5^^ |
| 12:04.25 | babbage | Quibus, Ulrich Drepper. One of the glibc developers. |
| 12:04.31 | Quibus | ah |
| 12:04.31 | ISRalien | need some help :S |
| 12:04.38 | abrotman | babbage: fyi .. flash has basically no deps .. you oculd just download and dpkg -i |
| 12:05.04 | babbage | abrotman, No, it's already installed just fine. |
| 12:05.06 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: are you mixing versions of debian ? |
| 12:05.14 | abrotman | babbage: i meant for future reference |
| 12:05.17 | babbage | Thanks |
| 12:05.24 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, not really, but I didnt upgrade this one for four months |
| 12:05.31 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: it's etch or lenny ? |
| 12:05.34 | HardDisk_WP | testing |
| 12:05.49 | babbage | Removing the last stanza from my preferences file do not change the symptoms. |
| 12:05.54 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: maybe try a dist-upgrade .. then aptitude install xorg |
| 12:06.04 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, dist-upgrade is already run |
| 12:06.22 | abrotman | babbage: apt-cache policy <broken package> .. then compare versions on packages.debian.org .. see whihc version it's trying to install |
| 12:06.30 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: paste your sources.list |
| 12:07.34 | abrotman | babbage: you might be able to comment out the sid source .. and then comment out the preferences |
| 12:07.41 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, here a screenshot, can't paste or ftp it |
| 12:07.42 | HardDisk_WP | http://velirat.de/~marco/test/sources.bmp |
| 12:08.06 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: so `aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade` .. says ? |
| 12:08.37 | ISRalien | Anyone.. My server crashed yesterday, couldn't connect to it with SSH, so I had to reset it.. |
| 12:08.48 | ISRalien | and it seems to have lost its' partitions |
| 12:09.01 | HardDisk_WP | new ati and radeon xserver drivers |
| 12:09.06 | ISRalien | it had 5-6 partitions on hd0, now it has 2.. |
| 12:09.36 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: that's it ? |
| 12:09.43 | HardDisk_WP | yes |
| 12:09.49 | HardDisk_WP | and the mouse still doesn't work |
| 12:10.42 | babbage | abrotman, that works fine, as I originally said. |
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| 12:10.52 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 12:11.01 | abrotman | babbage: whoops .. and the apt-cache policy part ? |
| 12:11.13 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: dmesg | grep -i mouse ? |
| 12:11.15 | babbage | abrotman, all I really want to do is set up the preferences file to select all packages except one from lenny. |
| 12:11.47 | abrotman | babbage: and you've read http://wiki.debian.org/AptPreferences |
| 12:11.58 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 12:12.00 | abrotman | erm .. that |
| 12:12.04 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, http://velirat.de/~marco/test/mouse.txt |
| 12:12.25 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: and which device are you using in X for your mouse ? |
| 12:12.40 | abrotman | wait .. module mouse not found? |
| 12:12.50 | HardDisk_WP | no idea what this thing uses |
| 12:13.01 | HardDisk_WP | it's kernel 2.6.24-1 |
| 12:13.06 | abrotman | should be .25 |
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| 12:13.11 | abrotman | anyways . |
| 12:13.21 | abrotman | do you have /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input//mouse_drv.so on your system ? |
| 12:14.16 | shah | hi all, im unable to access internet in my debian minimal system :(, im in ubuntu now, can ne one hav a look at network details of ubuntu and suggest me a solution for deb.... |
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| 12:14.53 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, no, there's only vmmouse_drv.so |
| 12:15.01 | abrotman | babbage: so if you `apt-cache policy libsdl1.2-dev` .. what's the output ? |
| 12:15.42 | shah | roe_, morning ther was a powercut, so i could'nt reply |
| 12:15.47 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: is xserver-xorg-input-mouse installed ? |
| 12:15.54 | babbage | abrotman, OK I have fixed the problem |
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| 12:16.27 | abrotman | babbage: ? |
| 12:16.35 | babbage | abrotman, http://paste.debian.net/13056/ is much simpler and seems to resolve all my problems |
| 12:16.47 | abrotman | babbage: yes it is :) |
| 12:16.47 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, no, and installing it solved the problem :) |
| 12:16.50 | HardDisk_WP | thank you |
| 12:16.59 | babbage | abrotman, thanks for the pointer and the help |
| 12:17.06 | abrotman | babbage: yours looked very complicated .. but pinning is a mystical beast! |
| 12:17.17 | shah | could anyone plz solve my problem? |
| 12:17.24 | babbage | abrotman, I got the original version from some other page of a Debian wiki |
| 12:17.29 | abrotman | babbage: ah ok |
| 12:17.40 | HardDisk_WP | shah, how do you access the internet? |
| 12:17.51 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you should really aptitude install xorg |
| 12:17.52 | shah | through ethernet card |
| 12:18.00 | HardDisk_WP | are you behind a DSL router or is the DSL modem directly hook up to the PC |
| 12:18.05 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, I did^^ |
| 12:18.16 | abrotman | ok |
| 12:18.23 | enouf | !tell shah -about interfaces |
| 12:18.24 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you let it remove gcc etc ? |
| 12:18.29 | shah | <HardDisk_WP>, no a direct cable from a cable |
| 12:18.35 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, g++ only, but I had .2 |
| 12:18.36 | HardDisk_WP | 4.2 |
| 12:18.44 | enouf | shah: dmesg |grep eth |
| 12:18.44 | HardDisk_WP | shah, ? |
| 12:18.48 | shah | enouf, i hav done that already |
| 12:18.51 | enouf | pastebin or something |
| 12:18.52 | HardDisk_WP | so from computer to computer |
| 12:18.55 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: you should probably `aptitude install build-essential linux-image-2.6-686` |
| 12:18.58 | enouf | done what? |
| 12:19.33 | shah | shah@shah-desktop:~$ dmesg | grep eth |
| 12:19.33 | shah | [ 21.960437] eth0: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xde00, 00:16:76:07:84:8a, IRQ 20 |
| 12:19.33 | shah | [ 21.960440] eth0: Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8101' |
| 12:19.33 | shah | [ 22.957761] Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
| 12:19.33 | shah | [ 22.958046] sda:<4>Driver 'sr' needs updating - please use bus_type methods |
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| 12:19.40 | enouf | ... |
| 12:19.41 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, both installed already...the kernel is a bit older because i can't reboot the machine |
| 12:19.56 | enouf | !rtl8139 |
| 12:19.56 | dpkg | hmm... rtl8139 is a RealTek PCI NIC that uses the 8139too (new) or rtl8139 (old) driver. *not* ne2k-pci, or a piece of shit card!...but some people have had good luck with it. see also <rtl81x9.c> |
| 12:20.06 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: that's a crummy vm :) |
| 12:20.35 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, no, but the service I run on it...i really don't want to stop it^^ |
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| 12:20.44 | enouf | haha .. kicked again |
| 12:20.52 | HardDisk_WP | the whole internet connection of my family is routed ATM through this VM |
| 12:21.00 | HardDisk_WP | because I wanna debug my connection |
| 12:21.04 | enouf | !atm |
| 12:21.05 | dpkg | i heard atm is (Asynchronous Transfer Mode) A networking protocol designed to move multimedia data around with high reliability and speed. Some ISPs use ATM as the protocol for their backbones. or 'at the moment' or someplace to pickup some cash for a $1.50. |
| 12:21.17 | HardDisk_WP | normally it disrupts every two hours or so |
| 12:21.18 | enouf | ahh, /me keeps thinking banks ;-) |
| 12:21.30 | shah | enouf, http://pastebin.com/m3aad0246 |
| 12:21.43 | HardDisk_WP | but since 16 hours (when I connected it via the laptop instead of our router), no disrupts |
| 12:22.16 | enouf | shah: that's ubuntu output though |
| 12:22.24 | enouf | shah: my bad |
| 12:22.51 | enouf | shah: what happened that made you lose internet conn? |
| 12:22.59 | dustybin | did you know that you can only use PCI wireless cards in 54mbps modes, super-g 108mbps is not supported in the linux madwifi driver |
| 12:23.01 | Nyle | to pickup some cash for a $1.50 <-- hahaha |
| 12:23.18 | enouf | :-P |
| 12:23.21 | Nyle | is that the wireless N or something |
| 12:23.30 | enouf | costs more now |
| 12:23.36 | dustybin | super-g is just called super-g |
| 12:23.42 | enouf | like 2.50 a pop or more |
| 12:23.44 | dustybin | its a netgear / linksys technology |
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| 12:23.51 | Nyle | i see |
| 12:23.55 | dustybin | it doesnt comply to standards |
| 12:23.55 | maligor | dustybin, no, it isn't |
| 12:24.00 | maligor | it's atheros |
| 12:24.09 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 12:24.17 | Nyle | well then |
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| 12:24.23 | enouf | dustybin: PCI only, right? not PCIe |
| 12:24.26 | maligor | linksys and netgear just make a plastic box and stuff sand boxes inside |
| 12:24.28 | dustybin | yep PCI |
| 12:24.41 | enouf | well, figures, sure |
| 12:24.43 | shah | enouf, my silan card has no modules in deban etch, so i downloaded new kernel from ubuntu, and installed it in debian, and now card is being detected but, i could'nt access through net |
| 12:24.50 | dustybin | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 12:24.51 | enouf | just like Jumbo Frames aren't supported |
| 12:25.01 | enouf | nor are there gigE PCI cards |
| 12:25.02 | dustybin | surely the PCI bus can do 108mbps ? |
| 12:25.04 | enouf | AFAIK |
| 12:25.09 | Nyle | you're a jumbo frame |
| 12:25.19 | dustybin | the PCI bus runs at 133mbps |
| 12:25.22 | enouf | hey, don't blame the messenger |
| 12:25.28 | enouf | i didn't make this crap |
| 12:25.33 | Nyle | i wanna shoot the messenger |
| 12:25.48 | enouf | shah: silan? |
| 12:26.08 | XLV_ | dustybin, 108Mbps is 11MB/s max |
| 12:26.17 | dustybin | oh ok |
| 12:26.19 | enouf | shah: er .. you're all over the place - just use etchnhalf |
| 12:26.24 | enouf | stop mixing kernels |
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| 12:26.40 | Nyle | kernel builder |
| 12:26.45 | Nyle | mixer |
| 12:26.52 | Nyle | kernel blender/juicer! |
| 12:26.53 | XLV_ | dustybin, and new mbs rarely use it, all stuff except firewire controllers are now on pcie or on phy hooks on the chipset |
| 12:26.54 | enouf | dustybin: PCI theoretical is 133MB/sec, not mbps |
| 12:27.07 | Nyle | yeh 8mb/s dude thats not right |
| 12:27.10 | enouf | dustybin: though it's a shared bus, and get's "saturated" |
| 12:27.17 | XLV_ | dustybin, so you got all that 133MB/s to devices on pci addin cards |
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| 12:27.41 | shah | enouf, 02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. Unknown device 2031 (rev 01) |
| 12:27.42 | babbage | enouf, http://www.komplett.ie/k/ki.aspx?sku=340641 |
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| 12:28.14 | dustybin | there is no linux driver support to make this card do 'Super-G' mode |
| 12:28.16 | dustybin | http://www.netgear.com/Products/Adapters/SuperGWirelessAdapters/WG311T.aspx |
| 12:28.18 | enouf | shah: you were showing a realtek before - no idea mate |
| 12:28.54 | enouf | babbage: PCIe Gigabit Adapter <-- what are you trying to say? |
| 12:29.13 | enouf | babbage: PCIe != PCi |
| 12:29.15 | XLV | dustybin, if you need more than 54Mb/s from g, go n, these superg etc etc are a scam, you rarely have increase from 54Mb/s and they consume many channels on the spectrum |
| 12:29.17 | enouf | erm PCI |
| 12:29.35 | dustybin | XLV: interesting |
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| 12:29.53 | dustybin | XLV: i also read somewhere that Super-G can cause interference |
| 12:30.01 | babbage | enouf, misread you, sorry |
| 12:30.12 | XLV | dustybin, exactly cause many people now use wireless, you rarely can find 3 channels non polluted enough to run superG |
| 12:30.17 | enouf | ok, no worries |
| 12:30.28 | dustybin | XLV: what speeds can n do? |
| 12:30.30 | XLV | dustybin, yes it does, to neighbouring G nets |
| 12:30.37 | shah | enouf, 02:02.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10) |
| 12:30.37 | shah | 02:04.0 Ethernet controller: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. Unknown device 2031 (rev 01) |
| 12:30.50 | XLV | dustybin, up to 300Mb/s, 120Mb/s should be doable |
| 12:30.51 | abrotman | update-pciids |
| 12:30.52 | enouf | shah: so get the Realtek working |
| 12:30.59 | dustybin | XLV: wow seriously? |
| 12:31.14 | enouf | shah: but stop using a ubuntu kernel with a debian install |
| 12:31.14 | dustybin | XLV: im pretty sure madwifi driver supports n |
| 12:31.29 | enouf | !tell shah -about etchnhalf |
| 12:31.35 | XLV | dustybin, remember its stll 120Mbits/s, so its like 14MB/s or so |
| 12:31.38 | abrotman | XLV: i thought N was only 150Mbps or some crap |
| 12:31.52 | dustybin | ok |
| 12:32.00 | abrotman | not really important i suppose |
| 12:32.24 | SeJo | someone got wicd working on unstable? |
| 12:32.28 | XLV | dustybin, prepare to pay a premium though for APs and cards/usb sticks |
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| 12:32.31 | XLV | abrotman, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_802.11#802.11n |
| 12:32.34 | joez212 | hello |
| 12:32.36 | SeJo | here it complains about the newer wpasupplicant |
| 12:32.38 | shah | enouf, realtek has no capability to acces net from such a long distance, so i hav bought a new card, and fixed it, and its working, but not in debian |
| 12:32.58 | enouf | shah: long distance? |
| 12:33.11 | shah | enouf, from provider |
| 12:33.17 | enouf | DSL? |
| 12:33.24 | joez212 | i have a harddrive that was accidently formatted, can anybody explain how to get it back? |
| 12:33.29 | enouf | 2000 yard or whatever? |
| 12:33.32 | abrotman | XLV: but two streams .. oh well |
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| 12:33.49 | shah | enouf, donno, but an OFC |
| 12:33.49 | Nazcafan_ | hello |
| 12:34.03 | enouf | !confuse me |
| 12:34.03 | dpkg | No, those are your snake tomorrow, enouf? lederhosen of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra ham |
| 12:34.26 | Nazcafan_ | I can't get to connect to my gmail account using checkgmail ... my authentification gets rejected. Does any one use checkgmail, here ? |
| 12:34.35 | shah | enouf OPTIC FIBRE CABLE |
| 12:34.44 | enouf | mmm lederhosen ;-) |
| 12:34.55 | enouf | shah: FIOS? |
| 12:35.10 | enouf | shah: there's no distance issues with FIOS, afaik |
| 12:36.03 | shah | enouf, but its here, so i hav used a hub at first to amplify the signal, but now fixed an addon card |
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| 12:37.14 | enouf | shah: sorry mate,. no idea - if others can't help - try ##networking to clear up those issues - but your SILAN card needs a Module - and as abrotman noted, you need to update-pciids so the system can assign PCI Address space to it |
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| 12:37.30 | abrotman | lspci -nn .. get a pciid .. try to match it |
| 12:37.59 | enouf | abrotman: you know what? ubuntu lspci is severely broken |
| 12:38.09 | abrotman | shouldn't it still give a pciids ? |
| 12:38.35 | enouf | abrotman: i've tried to help many a ubuntu'er, and -nn and -k are nonexistant .. well -nn only does -n |
| 12:38.43 | shah | abortman, enouf, 02:02.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ [10ec:8139] (rev 10) |
| 12:38.43 | shah | 02:04.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Hangzhou Silan Microelectronics Co., Ltd. Unknown device [1904:2031] (rev 01) |
| 12:38.48 | enouf | heh |
| 12:38.57 | enouf | maybe they fixed it? :-P |
| 12:39.15 | enouf | !pcimap 1904:2031 |
| 12:39.19 | enouf | bah |
| 12:39.30 | abrotman | sc92031 0x00001904 0x00002031 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
| 12:39.35 | abrotman | i'm a bot!!! |
| 12:39.39 | peppe | LOL |
| 12:40.03 | enouf | abrotman: a fast bot too - my .16 doesn't have it :-P |
| 12:40.19 | abrotman | that's from a .24 |
| 12:40.29 | enouf | shah: modprobe sc92031 |
| 12:40.30 | abrotman | so he can either try etchnhalf/kmuto or lenny |
| 12:40.35 | enouf | right |
| 12:40.35 | shah | abortman, i hav done modprobe sc92031 in debian, after kernel update |
| 12:40.38 | enouf | back to basics |
| 12:40.55 | peppe | sc92031 was added in 2.6.21 |
| 12:40.56 | enouf | shah: lsmod | grep sc9 (but in debian) |
| 12:41.19 | abrotman | what kernel does shah have on the debian system? |
| 12:41.19 | shah | ok brb, but anything more to see after reboot |
| 12:41.25 | abrotman | and does that sc90141234253234 require firmware ? |
| 12:41.34 | enouf | hehe |
| 12:41.49 | enouf | no idea, some ubuntu funk |
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| 12:42.49 | shah | abortman, linux-image-2.6.25-2-686_2.6.25-6~bpo40+1_i386.deb |
| 12:43.05 | abrotman | i'd imagine that has it |
| 12:43.29 | shah | yes it has, but not able to access net!! |
| 12:43.34 | enouf | shah: you might want to make sure 2 modules aren't loading and conflicting for your rtl8139 |
| 12:43.49 | enouf | shah: use 8139too or 8139cp .. not both |
| 12:44.10 | shah | enouf, how to resolve that conflict |
| 12:44.10 | enouf | check dmesg, and lsmod and enable bootlog |
| 12:44.29 | enouf | shah: you have to look, and show us when and where they are loafding from |
| 12:44.35 | peppe | the commit for that driver is fantastic http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=bf345707299b34de90fbae062eff51e76561eb40 |
| 12:44.59 | shah | ok brb |
| 12:45.10 | enouf | gah |
| 12:45.20 | enouf | didn't wait for the bootlog factoid .. |
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| 12:46.23 | enouf | driver for Silan SC92031 netdev <-- let's make sure his user is in group 'netdev' |
| 12:47.21 | screencaster | What's the best software for creating screencasts? Must be ok with OpenGL being on the screen. Any recommendations from satisfied customers? |
| 12:47.23 | enouf | what a dump |
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| 12:47.51 | enouf | screencaster: maybe recordmyDesktop? no idea .. xvidcap? |
| 12:48.00 | abrotman | istanbul ? |
| 12:48.19 | enouf | isthmus |
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| 12:49.04 | screencaster | what package is xvidcap in? |
| 12:49.14 | screencaster | or is it not in Debian? |
| 12:49.49 | abrotman | !info istanbul |
| 12:50.13 | dpkg | istanbul: (Desktop session recorder producing Ogg Theora video), section gnome, is extra. Version: 0.2.2-4 (sid), Packaged size: 72 kB, Installed size: 616 kB |
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| 12:51.10 | screencaster | abrotman is it better than say byzanz? |
| 12:51.36 | abrotman | is that a joke ? |
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| 12:52.23 | [diablo] | totally pointless comment... but, thank you Debian.. I've moved over from Ubuntu to Debian and I loveeee it ... 1,5 weeks using it.. it's mega... so cheers |
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| 12:53.02 | screencaster | abrotman no I haven't used either. have you? |
| 12:53.13 | abrotman | try it |
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| 12:56.18 | screencaster | abrotman is it better than Wink (freeware)? I don't want to install istanbul if it's crap (it requires 122MB of dependencies for me - I don't use Gnome) |
| 12:56.35 | abrotman | i'm sure kde has a desktop recorder .. or try the ones enouf said |
| 12:56.49 | screencaster | abrotman I use ice |
| 12:56.58 | tombs | is there any issue with frostwire in debian mirrors? |
| 12:57.13 | tombs | rep |
| 12:57.39 | abrotman | it's not there? |
| 12:57.48 | tombs | nop |
| 12:57.53 | tombs | not even in sid |
| 12:58.21 | abrotman | right .. |
| 12:59.00 | abrotman | tombs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=419730 |
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| 12:59.25 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 12:59.38 | cr3rzemjest | how do i find what program uses particular port? |
| 13:00.02 | tombs | abrotman: thanx man |
| 13:00.03 | cr3rzemjest | e.g. i type nmap localhost and there are services that i don't want to use but ports are open |
| 13:00.18 | abrotman | fuser or netstat |
| 13:01.02 | Gurax | I am downloading LennyBeta2 using jigdo-lite and there are pachages of which I get "404 Not Found" response. Is this normal ? |
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| 13:01.28 | peppe | maybe the mirrors aren't in sync yet |
| 13:01.36 | cr3rzemjest | e.g. 'samba-swat' (admin tool) i don't use samba but i searched rc.d's and there is no thing with samba in it... i did update-rc.d remove samba before |
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| 13:02.01 | Ace2016_- | why use jigdo? why not a normal http mirror? |
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| 13:02.53 | Gurax | sorry. my keyboard freaked out |
| 13:02.56 | shah | enouf, abrotman, lsmod | grep sc |
| 13:02.56 | shah | sc92031 15844 0 |
| 13:02.56 | shah | scsi_mod 138988 1 libata |
| 13:03.15 | abrotman | i'd guess it's misconfigured |
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| 13:03.36 | shah | enouf, abrotman, output of dmesg, http://pastebin.com/m6551c084 |
| 13:04.11 | screencaster | I watched one screencast where mouse clicks were highlighted (presumably automatically) with a flashing round circle. Can Istanbul or Wink do that? |
| 13:04.12 | shah | enouf, abrotman, output of ifconfig: http://pastebin.com/m7d96d60b |
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| 13:05.00 | enouf | shah: cat /proc/version |
| 13:05.09 | Gurax | Are the messages "404 Not Found" normal which I get while downloading and iso of LennyBeta2 using jigdo-lite ? |
| 13:05.16 | enouf | shah: nm |
| 13:05.25 | shah | nm? |
| 13:05.45 | Gurax | an* |
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| 13:06.27 | Gurax | The most of packages are ok, but some show the 404 message |
| 13:06.28 | enouf | shah: nevermind |
| 13:06.36 | enouf | shah: lsmod | grep 8139 |
| 13:06.55 | shah | from debian? |
| 13:07.11 | enouf | shah: what are you taking those logs from? |
| 13:07.18 | shah | from debian |
| 13:07.23 | enouf | ok, then yes |
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| 13:07.42 | abrotman | says eth1 is up |
| 13:07.50 | abrotman | and the link is up |
| 13:07.56 | shah | well enouf, i hav mounted debian partition, there is no folder in /proc |
| 13:08.13 | abrotman | is the route correct? |
| 13:08.31 | shah | ok, brb |
| 13:08.32 | enouf | shah: both eth0 and eth1 have the same IP |
| 13:08.35 | enouf | no |
| 13:08.44 | enouf | gah |
| 13:09.01 | abrotman | and the interfaces file ? |
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| 13:10.15 | Garda | is there anyone really technical around |
| 13:10.24 | enouf | no |
| 13:10.32 | Ace2016_- | lol |
| 13:10.39 | Garda | i wanted to know, why is Linux a monolitic kernel |
| 13:10.53 | Ace2016_- | ... |
| 13:10.56 | enouf | ask linus |
| 13:10.58 | Garda | i mean, given that it has modules that can be loaded or removed dynamically |
| 13:11.04 | shah | abrotman, http://pastebin.com/m22a1f29a |
| 13:11.07 | Garda | how is that different to a micro kernel |
| 13:11.18 | enouf | http://www.simple-talk.com/opinion/geek-of-the-week/linus-torvalds,-geek-of-the-week/ |
| 13:11.26 | FluffyArmada | Hey... Hate to ask a stupid question, but I haven't used cdrecord in forever... does cdrecord use any sort of progress indicator by default when you burn an image to a disk? |
| 13:11.32 | Ace2016_- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monolithic_kernel |
| 13:11.38 | Gurax | how can I explain this that while there were many packages for which jigdo reported "404 Not found", now I see "OK: Checksums match, image is good!" |
| 13:11.50 | FluffyArmada | Or does it just say... "Last chance to quit... Operation starts." and then sit there until the burn is done? |
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| 13:12.08 | Ace2016_- | Gurax: why not a http mirror? |
| 13:12.21 | pumpkin0 | FluffyArmada: cdrecord has none, but you should see the output from mkisofs... |
| 13:12.56 | abrotman | Garda: wrong channel to ask |
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| 13:13.10 | abrotman | shah: i'm going to edit it |
| 13:13.16 | Gurax | ace2001ac: I just picked one that was listed in the debian site. It is taking the debs from http://us.cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/snapshot/Debian/pool/main/s/ |
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| 13:13.30 | Gurax | Ace2016_-: that is |
| 13:13.38 | abrotman | shah: http://pastebin.com/m720a92ea |
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| 13:14.44 | FluffyArmada | But mkisofs is just for making the iso image right? cdrecord is still the utility I'm wanting to use to actually burn the image, right? |
| 13:15.38 | babbage | cdrecord is really wodim these days I think |
| 13:15.44 | enouf | try wodim.. i recall logs/stdout progress from using growisofs, and k3b |
| 13:15.58 | FluffyArmada | Yes, it is wodim. I just keep calling it cdrecord. :) |
| 13:16.10 | babbage | The "-v" flag produces a kind of progress indication |
| 13:16.36 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.37 | Gurax | Ace2016_-: http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/reportbug/reportbug_3.41_all.deb This was one that gave 404 Error |
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| 13:16.44 | FluffyArmada | Ah, ok, thanks. I was just worried because I'm burning my debian install DVD onto my last blank DVD-R and it's just kinda sitting there. X) |
| 13:17.04 | pumpkin0 | FluffyArmada: just use a USB-Stick for installs. |
| 13:17.09 | abrotman | or cdrw |
| 13:17.23 | Gurax | Ace2016_-: but im confused as when jigdo ended it said checksums match and the image is good |
| 13:17.27 | FluffyArmada | pumpkin0: I would, I really would, but I can't get my laptop to boot off of USB. :( |
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| 13:18.54 | enouf | FluffyArmada: use dd or growisofs for dvd |
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| 13:19.26 | FluffyArmada | abrotman: I'd have just used CD1 too, but I couldn't remember if you could install the whole base with just the first cd or not... and I'm really low on cd media... hehe... and I'm in Germany right now, and I'm totally dependant on my host family to get anywhere. :) |
| 13:19.42 | FluffyArmada | Yeah, I already started the burn [or at least, I'm fairly certain I did...] |
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| 13:19.58 | FluffyArmada | I think I just accidentally started it at 1X speed though... so this might take a while. |
| 13:20.05 | abrotman | FluffyArmada: tell them to get oyu some CDs or you'll bomb the country again! |
| 13:20.42 | FluffyArmada | abrotman: Well... I did come on June 6th... 0:) |
| 13:20.48 | enouf | FluffyArmada: is the led light going on and off in steady pulses? |
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| 13:21.12 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:21.47 | FluffyArmada | enouf: Well... the light is just kinda... on. But it's my crap Frankenvaio, so it wouldn't surprise me if it was just to stupid to blink properly. :) |
| 13:22.03 | trinux | when you build a kernel package with make-kpkg and point module installers later to /usr/src/linux they are missing headers when you did a "make-kpkg clean"? |
| 13:22.32 | abrotman | que? |
| 13:22.48 | trinux | the stupid nvidia installer is moaning about missing headers |
| 13:23.05 | abrotman | did you make-kpkg binary ? |
| 13:23.13 | enouf | ls -l /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build |
| 13:23.15 | trinux | and i made a custom kernel with make-kpkg |
| 13:23.21 | abrotman | silly goose |
| 13:23.31 | trinux | what? :) |
| 13:23.32 | enouf | did you make kernel_image? |
| 13:23.36 | trinux | yes! |
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| 13:23.47 | FluffyArmada | Any estimates on how long it would take to burn 4.6 Gb at 1X? ;) |
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| 13:24.13 | enouf | DVD 1x ~1500kb/sec |
| 13:24.18 | enouf | do the math |
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| 13:24.46 | doublehp | i have several NS in /etc/resolv.conf when the first one is broken (IP unreachable, or service not running on IP), i get pessages like "unknown host" everywhere ... when i would expect the resolution mechanisme to use the second (then 3rd) NS ... why not ? |
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| 13:25.18 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 13:25.24 | FluffyArmada | **FORM OF HP 50g** --- mmm... hey, maybe I'll just steal another one of their DVD-Rs. :) |
| 13:25.33 | trinux | so i should not have done the "make-kpkg clean" after i installed the kernel package? |
| 13:25.41 | Ace2016_- | if you've got no swap file and you do something that consumes all the ram what happens? |
| 13:25.47 | trinux | or is there a way to let make-kpkg build a headers package? |
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| 13:25.57 | abrotman | yeah .. read the man page |
| 13:26.00 | enouf | trinux: make-kpkg can also make header pkgs, and they can also be made later, just like an initrd can be, IINM - but i think, the _headers is/are only if you want to make them for redistribution as headers only |
| 13:26.15 | abrotman | trinux: FWIW .. i used to do `make-kpkg binary` so it owuld make all four |
| 13:26.16 | enouf | no idea what's up nvidia's butt |
| 13:26.30 | trinux | abrotman: oh |
| 13:26.48 | abrotman | trinux: the man page for make-kpkg is actually useful |
| 13:27.02 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: first, some processes are killed by kernel; that's random; i dont know at all how the kernel chooses who to kill; then, you got "out of memory" error, that is fatal (it's not a KP, but, close to: freese => need hard reoot ) |
| 13:27.14 | enouf | trinux: why would you do a make-kpkg clean? |
| 13:27.25 | enouf | after installing the .deb |
| 13:27.49 | enouf | you burned your .config - altough there should be a copy in /boot now |
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| 13:28.03 | Ace2016_- | doublehp: does it sync the hard disks? |
| 13:28.13 | trinux | i dunno, thats why i asked if thats the problem |
| 13:28.25 | FluffyArmada | Hmm.. if my calculations are anywhere near correct, it's going to be slightly less than an hour before this is done... of course, I just found out I'm running at 1385 Kb/s instead of the more ideal 1500 Kb/s... :) |
| 13:28.26 | trinux | no the .config is left over after you clean |
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| 13:28.32 | enouf | trinux: no |
| 13:28.35 | trinux | yes |
| 13:28.38 | enouf | trinux: no |
| 13:28.41 | trinux | its there |
| 13:28.54 | abrotman | IIRC the .config does remain |
| 13:29.10 | trinux | :P |
| 13:29.25 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: dont know |
| 13:29.39 | trinux | another weird problem is that since 2.6.25 i get a blank screen when i try framebuffer resolutions |
| 13:29.48 | FluffyArmada | I'm just gonna install k3b for a few minutes... so I don't have to deal with this... and when k3b fails, I can at least blame it instead of feeling stupid... |
| 13:29.55 | Ace2016_- | isn |
| 13:30.03 | Ace2016_- | isn't 2.6.25 in sid now? |
| 13:30.04 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: but is nicer than a KP, so, it could do it; and of course, if you put "debugging keys", you can play a bit more :) |
| 13:30.25 | trinux | 2.6.25-2 is in lenny |
| 13:30.38 | Ace2016_- | wha? how did it get into lenny? |
| 13:30.44 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: i can say, because i have a server with 24M RAM, and 16M swap; last week , when running aptitude, i saw in my console "killing ntpd" :) |
| 13:30.53 | enouf | My .configs were always wiped - pissed me off |
| 13:30.54 | Ace2016_- | sid has 2.6.25-2 |
| 13:30.58 | enouf | so i made backups |
| 13:31.03 | babbage | Does Xen dom0 work in Lenny these days? |
| 13:31.19 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: but, there are rules for killing, so that the kernel will avoid killing wital process like init :) |
| 13:31.21 | enouf | even though the man page says it "takes care not to" .. it lies |
| 13:31.25 | Ace2016_- | doublehp: maybe it kills based on idle time |
| 13:31.33 | babbage | enouf, the etckeeper package is good for that. |
| 13:31.36 | trinux | enouf: maybe you did a "make clean" but i did a "make-kpkg clean" |
| 13:31.46 | enouf | even the .config.old was wi[ped |
| 13:31.51 | Ace2016_- | trinux: why are you compiling a kernel? |
| 13:31.55 | babbage | enouf, oh ignore me,. |
| 13:31.55 | enouf | no, make-kpkg clean |
| 13:31.56 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: ntp has no iddel time: it has activity every 10s ... |
| 13:31.59 | Ace2016_- | not following a howto? |
| 13:32.02 | FluffyArmada | Oh yeah, are kernel module debs in a special place on the mirrors? I'm trying to get everything I need for ndiswrapper on my usb drive before I get debian installed so I can actually get online, and I can find the source, but I can't find pre-compiled modules for each kernel... (for lenny at least...I didn't check the others) are you supposed to just compile that yourself, or are there prebuild modules? |
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| 13:32.02 | trinux | Ace2016_-: dont worry about that |
| 13:32.15 | abrotman | Ace2016_-: some people are stubborn like that :) |
| 13:32.24 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: i really dont know what are the rules, i just say you that there are some. |
| 13:32.29 | trinux | i need 2.6.26 on etch, thats why |
| 13:32.41 | abrotman | why? |
| 13:32.45 | trinux | because! :P |
| 13:32.51 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: killing happens only when you wherry few memory per unit of time (let say 1 M every 10s) ... |
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| 13:33.14 | Ace2016_- | doublehp: thanks :) |
| 13:33.21 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: when you querry large memory, make a big malloc, or allocate ten megs per second, you got "out of mem" |
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| 13:33.33 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: you can easily get out of mem with sshd :) |
| 13:33.45 | trinux | abrotman: i plan to do benchmarking with etch 2.6.18 for K7, for AMD64, and the newest 2.6.26 |
| 13:34.09 | abrotman | maybe you should do some .26 k7 benchmarking to see if the debian-kernel team should reinstate them |
| 13:34.16 | FluffyArmada | Great... so it's not easy to kill cdrecord while it's in the middle of something. :( |
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| 13:34.51 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: take a lan with 100 machines, run sshd on the weakest, make them all sync in time, and, at give time, ask all machines to connect the same one 100 times (using RSA non interactive) |
| 13:35.07 | trinux | abrotman: thats one reason why i wanna do that. cause one guy posted a benchmark that shows significant speed differences between *-686 and K7. but i wanna know if that affects the desktop use at all |
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| 13:35.30 | trinux | and i also wanna test these new scheduling things |
| 13:35.35 | abrotman | trinux: but you have an amd64 .. not a k7 |
| 13:35.46 | trinux | but dude, a console with 80x25 sucks big time |
| 13:36.14 | trinux | abrotman: yeah, to about some 64bit trouble |
| 13:36.21 | trinux | about/avoid |
| 13:36.36 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: whetever the server can stand the load, each client connecting, will produce an allocation of about 2.5 M of memory, if all clients are sync, and run 100 querries in a loop 'for i in `seq 99` ; do { ssh server & ; } ; done ' ... the server is aske to allocate 25G RAM in 10s :) |
| 13:36.58 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: that how i crashed Solaris several times :) |
| 13:37.02 | Ace2016_- | wow |
| 13:37.50 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: the very nice thing is that allocation is required when the server get the client connection, before the server processes authentification; because before doing auth, you need to establish the SSL tunnel |
| 13:38.07 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: this means, this can be used to crash even a server on which you dont have account :) |
| 13:38.11 | HardDisk_WP | Lol! |
| 13:38.20 | HardDisk_WP | nice h4xx0r trick |
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| 13:38.35 | Ace2016_- | i'm sure someone must have worked out a way to defend against that |
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| 13:38.42 | enouf | heh - test ! -f .config || cp -pf .config config.precious |
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| 13:39.00 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: you only need ... enough bandwidth to send connection querries, and querry more and faster than the server can process SSL profiles :) |
| 13:39.01 | Ace2016_- | maybe a max login number to give a busy error |
| 13:39.39 | pumpkin0 | Ace2016_-: drop anything in iptables if the load is bigger X. Not nice, but it works. |
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| 13:39.50 | doublehp | Ace2016_-: no; because it works even when auth fails :) it's because the first thing you do in SSH is to establish a secured tunnel; that one allocates memory |
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| 13:40.42 | snadge | has anyone else booted latest sid as a domU on xen? |
| 13:40.46 | enouf | fuck it .. follow the kp mantra, see what happens |
| 13:41.36 | doublehp | i have several NS in /etc/resolv.conf when the first one is broken (IP unreachable, or service not running on IP), i get pessages like "unknown host" everywhere ... when i would expect the resolution mechanisme to use the second (then 3rd) NS ... why not ? |
| 13:41.58 | FluffyArmada | Ahhh man... I feel stupid. I killed cdrecord, and the dvd came out, and it was almost done... *then* I checked online and found out that my burner only supports 1X anyway. X| |
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| 13:43.41 | enouf | !pal FluffyArmada |
| 13:43.41 | dpkg | points at FluffyArmada and laughs uproariously |
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| 13:44.20 | enouf | omg .. spammer in pm |
| 13:45.22 | trinux | wasnt me |
| 13:45.46 | FluffyArmada | IRC Day Camp... :\ Classy. |
| 13:45.47 | enouf | 09:46:50] Ignoring *!*@ip98-169-172-120.dc.dc.cox.net ... what a relief! |
| 13:45.57 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:46.35 | trinux | this one is not here. maybe you cought him on ##linux |
| 13:46.57 | enouf | he doesn;t have to be in ANY channels |
| 13:47.17 | FluffyArmada | Yeah... this is the only channel I'm in. :\ |
| 13:47.37 | Loan_Shark | most spam bots nowadays operate bait and hook |
| 13:47.42 | trinux | but dude, this whole kernel games is no fun when a build takes 25 minutes |
| 13:48.01 | Loan_Shark | one bot sits in channels to gather nicknames to target, and the other bot doesnt join any channels and just uses the data the bait bot feeds it to spam |
| 13:48.05 | FluffyArmada | used to use Gentoo... :) |
| 13:48.19 | trinux | FluffyArmada: oh dear :) i would die from impatience :) |
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| 13:49.23 | FluffyArmada | trinux: It's nice for some things. And on a decent computer it only takes a few hours to a day to setup properly... but, the keyword is "a few hours to a day". :P |
| 13:50.07 | FluffyArmada | I remember building openoffice on an old Celeron... :) I really wanted it to be compiled with GTK support... (or something, I can't really remember), and it took me a week. |
| 13:51.29 | HardDisk_WP | how do I check if all packages are installed correctly? |
| 13:51.37 | HardDisk_WP | (all files are present and matching md5) |
| 13:52.05 | doublehp | Is it normal that when the first nameserver of /etc/resolv.conf is broken, i get resolution failures ? i have to comment or remove the line to force the machine use an other NS; after a failure, why does resolution system NOT use the second entry of the file ??? I have put 4 NS in the file, and i feel like the 3 lasts are never used ... |
| 13:52.37 | HardDisk_WP | i also have had this problem |
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| 13:54.29 | shah | abrotman, enouf, problem solved, thank u very much!!! |
| 13:54.46 | HardDisk_WP | any1? |
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| 13:55.05 | enouf | shah: ;-) |
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| 13:55.24 | enouf | (has no idea how he helped) |
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| 13:56.09 | enouf | !tell HardDisk_WP about debsums |
| 13:56.23 | enouf | oh |
| 13:56.39 | cr3rzemjest | hi what if i have neither .Xresources not .Xdefaults? how to configure xterm/aterm then? halp plx plx plx |
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| 13:57.59 | FluffyArmada | cr3rzemjest: You make your own? |
| 13:58.17 | abrotman | shah: did that file help ? |
| 13:58.18 | cr3rzemjest | FluffyArmada, but how? where's the sample config? |
| 13:58.39 | shah | abrotman, yep the one u edited helped :-) |
| 13:58.42 | FluffyArmada | cr3rzemjest: I'm trying to look. :) I usually use Eterm, I've never had to figure this out before. |
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| 13:59.33 | FluffyArmada | cr3rzemjest: The default file is supposed to be /usr/share/X11/app-defaults/XTerm (I think) according to the man page... I'm still looking though. |
| 13:59.38 | big-g | this is kinda off the topic but does anyone here use ibm db2? |
| 13:59.42 | HardDisk_WP | enouf, does it also check for non-existant files? |
| 14:00.02 | cr3rzemjest | btw, what are differences between all these terms? xterm/aterm/rxvt/urxxvt ? they all look similiar/the same to me... |
| 14:00.19 | babbage | rxvt was allegedly smaller. |
| 14:00.30 | babbage | the U* version presumably does Unicode |
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| 14:00.33 | FluffyArmada | Eterm is pretty. :) |
| 14:00.36 | babbage | No idea about aterm |
| 14:01.01 | big-g | i use urxvt and i like it |
| 14:01.04 | babbage | Personally I can't function effectively without tabs |
| 14:01.08 | redtime | eterm sux |
| 14:01.19 | babbage | But several terminal emulators have that feature |
| 14:01.21 | FluffyArmada | Hehe... hater. :) |
| 14:01.27 | abrotman | shah: glad to hear it |
| 14:01.36 | abrotman | big-g: maybe #sql ? |
| 14:01.49 | cr3rzemjest | can u not just open 87763 terms in 1 workspace? |
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| 14:01.57 | big-g | thanx |
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| 14:04.30 | trinux | oh, maybe i would need a newer libc6. cause the 2.6.25-2 from backports is patched |
| 14:04.46 | trinux | could that cause the framebuffer issues? |
| 14:05.05 | enouf | HardDisk_WP: i don't know - you can check that with dpkg -l | egrep '^.p|^.r|^.h' .. or ~$ grep Status /var/lib/dpkg/status | less or .. there are better ways ;-) |
| 14:05.37 | HardDisk_WP | ^^ |
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| 14:08.27 | enouf | ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Package} \t\t${Status} \n' | less |
| 14:10.01 | enouf | $ dpkg-query -W -f='${Package} \t\t${Status} \n' | wc -l |
| 14:10.01 | enouf | 1607 |
| 14:10.09 | enouf | ~$ dpkg-query -W -f='${Package} \t\t${Status} \n' | grep ok | wc -l |
| 14:10.10 | enouf | 1607 |
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| 14:10.20 | enouf | hehe - matches - all "ok" |
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| 14:12.59 | pumpkin0 | some idiot is spamming users that join this channel via pm. He is switching usernicks fast and only seems to target new users and only on this channel. |
| 14:15.09 | castoff | wakeboarding? |
| 14:15.29 | shah | abrotman, enouf: i hav a bare minimal system(with internet access :-) ), i need a light weight DE, which one to go? |
| 14:15.30 | castoff | he hit me in a different channel |
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| 14:16.37 | pumpkin0 | hmm ... got 2 different msgs after this join... |
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| 14:17.06 | castoff | yeh i just got a different 1 as wsell |
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| 14:19.49 | enouf | shah: apt-cache search x-window-manager pick one |
| 14:20.01 | martian67 | how do i clean up apt run scripts |
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| 14:20.10 | Gurax | im off installing lenny with the cd i just burned |
| 14:20.12 | martian67 | like i have some package that didnt uninstall prorperly |
| 14:20.15 | enouf | shah: or ask dpkg the bot here about installing kde, or gnome or xfce |
| 14:20.25 | martian67 | and its trying to run its non existant menu script |
| 14:20.30 | martian67 | every time i use apt to update |
| 14:20.33 | abrotman | !tell shah about xwinman |
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| 14:21.25 | martian67 | any help, would as always, be appricated |
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| 14:23.09 | ewet | hello, how can I unset TMOUT on xterm? my attempt in my /etc/profiles looks like this: http://rafb.net/p/4NQ29o57.html (the short duration is for testing only ;) ). It does not work: env tells me TERM=xterm but it will not unset TMOUT. What am I doing wrong? I'm using bash. |
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| 14:29.30 | doubleoh | Anyone can point me to creating a bootable iso larger than 2 gigs.. mkisofs is driving me crazy. |
| 14:29.50 | doubleoh | I am trying to build my own version of systemrescuecd |
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| 14:30.30 | wols | doubleoh: on a FAT partition? |
| 14:30.39 | doubleoh | Nah, it is a ext3 partition. |
| 14:31.19 | doubleoh | wols: Btw, I am creating files at 8 gigs... I really think it is mkisofs |
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| 14:31.37 | abrotman | growisofs or whatever? |
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| 14:31.43 | doubleoh | wols: The files to be burned are not greater than 2 gis. |
| 14:31.50 | DebQuanti | Hi all. I just downloaded debian testing (lenny) and after long googling found out how to retrieve the correct linux-source version by undoing all patches to retrieve the correct version. However, I cannot find a linux-headers package corresponding to my current kernel. Any ideas? |
| 14:31.51 | SimplleBoy | Hello! I froom Russia!!! |
| 14:32.10 | asg | !ru |
| 14:32.11 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:32.12 | SimplleBoy | Sorry my English very bad^=( |
| 14:32.13 | doubleoh | abrotman: I tried growisofs, but I don't see boot support... El Terido... looking |
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| 14:32.55 | wols | nice, we have a spammer |
| 14:32.57 | fas3r | it's possible to use netinstall but from USB storage key ? |
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| 14:33.05 | doubleoh | I will try it again.. I think my line was messed up. |
| 14:33.06 | wols | Greedy_Bra_Weare is spamming people |
| 14:33.24 | doubleoh | vi |
| 14:33.34 | wols | doubleoh: that is not what I asked |
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| 14:33.54 | wols | abrotman: you woN't get it that way |
| 14:33.58 | wols | when will ops ever learn? |
| 14:34.04 | abrotman | well why not? |
| 14:34.11 | abrotman | oh wait .. changing nick |
| 14:34.12 | abrotman | s |
| 14:34.15 | wols | cause it's no onjoin spammer |
| 14:34.19 | wols | won't help you |
| 14:34.20 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 14:34.39 | SimplleBoy | Somebody speaking with me:=) |
| 14:34.40 | abrotman | new nick ? |
| 14:34.46 | wols | it lurks for long times and then spams people like him who are quiet for some time and then spaak. like I just did |
| 14:35.17 | wols | 16:30 < wols> doubleoh: on a FAT partition? <- this is the trigger |
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| 14:35.22 | SimplleBoy | My Ebglish bad, and I will ... upgrade your voice:=) |
| 14:35.35 | SimplleBoy | My English bad, and I will ... upgrade your voice:=) |
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| 14:35.56 | DebQuanti | let me rephrase. How can I retrieve linux-headers-`uname -r` or otherwise create one to match my current kernel? |
| 14:35.57 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:36.15 | wols | DebQuanti: debian kernel or self compiled? |
| 14:36.28 | doubleoh | wols: I am not on a FAT partition... I am on a ext3 partition... I think I got my growisofs command line down.. just need to find a substitute for -o |
| 14:36.29 | SimplleBoy | <wols> debian it was ... a Äåáèë ÷òî ëè? |
| 14:36.34 | abrotman | apparently already gone |
| 14:37.01 | DebQuanti | wols: debian kernel, more specifically version 2.6.24-1-686 |
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| 14:37.10 | wols | !tell DebQuanti about sdn |
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| 14:37.28 | SimplleBoy | <wols> you are not a wols wolf, you are a tipecly DOG |
| 14:37.45 | wols | SimplleBoy: either ask a debian question or leave the channel please |
| 14:38.43 | SimplleBoy | I not undestend you. Sorry. I FROM RUSSIA. And my ENGLISH very bad^=( |
| 14:38.51 | wols | !ru |
| 14:38.52 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 14:38.57 | wols | either go to that channel or shut up |
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| 14:40.48 | SimplleBoy | I speek you very nice, but you speek me licke a Donckey! Well aaa... Fuck you. English bastards. |
| 14:41.03 | SimplleBoy | well a... |
| 14:41.11 | SimplleBoy | sorry |
| 14:41.13 | wols | abrotman: can't you do something? |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | !tell SimplleBoy about ru |
| 14:41.33 | abrotman | SimplleBoy: if you can't speak english well, use the russian channel |
| 14:41.43 | wols | abrotman: we did that the 3rd time by now. don't you recognize a troll when you see one? |
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| 14:42.04 | shah | abrotman, enouf :: this is my source list in debian: http://pastebin.com/m137fd223, i could'nt install WM, DE's.... plz edit it! |
| 14:42.05 | SimplleBoy | Sorry my Rodina, but Russia the Sucks |
| 14:42.18 | abrotman | wols: yes .. so much so that he's in the russian channel |
| 14:42.26 | wols | !tell shah about sources.list |
| 14:42.40 | buntfalke | after installing new software it wont appear in the kmenu unless i open kmenuedit, safe, and close it again or restart kde. (lenny) |
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| 14:42.50 | wols | so there is no reason for him to stay here and laught his ass off about us stupid english speaking morons |
| 14:42.59 | buntfalke | any ideas on how to avoid this? i so that software appears there right away? |
| 14:44.26 | SimplleBoy | Fuck you Ñóêà Ypod. Podonok i Slat you Wolf. You are Ugly girl!!! |
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| 14:44.33 | SimplleBoy | Bitch |
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| 14:44.59 | peppe | O_O |
| 14:45.44 | FluffyArmada | just finished burning Debian DVD 1 at 1X (about 1500 Kb/s) Wooo! |
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| 14:46.07 | maligor | there was no 0.5x option? |
| 14:46.53 | cr3rzemjest | how much MB of ram do u need to run X? and fluxbox? 128 is enough? |
| 14:47.08 | abrotman | !u |
| 14:47.09 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 14:47.10 | asg | cr3rzemjest: I run it 64M |
| 14:47.12 | cr3rzemjest | or some other wm |
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| 14:47.17 | cr3rzemjest | asg, k thx |
| 14:47.22 | philluminati | I've installed debian 4.0 Release 3 and run apt-get update but there is very little software updates offered to me. On my work machine I have Firefox 3 and loads of stuff but here I don't have anything. Is it safe to just changes my sources.list? |
| 14:47.29 | peppe | there are also !k and !thx ? :P |
| 14:47.34 | peppe | cr3rzemjest: btw, probably yes, but don't expect to run firefox or openoffice |
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| 14:47.35 | cizra | Hi |
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| 14:47.50 | cizra | What's the policy of Debian about non-critical bugs in Etch? |
| 14:48.01 | cr3rzemjest | !wut |
| 14:48.01 | dpkg | from memory, wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 14:48.02 | cizra | Are they patched? |
| 14:48.17 | abrotman | cizra: depends on the bug |
| 14:48.18 | asg | cizra: generally not but some deal-breaker bugs can be fixed in rX point releases |
| 14:48.27 | asg | cizra: i.e., rdesktop was fixed in r1 |
| 14:48.32 | micols__ | someone has any tips for optimizing thin client performance? |
| 14:48.41 | abrotman | more bandwidth! |
| 14:48.42 | micols__ | except r,wsize :) |
| 14:48.45 | asg | more ram |
| 14:48.46 | buntfalke | Is there a way to execute ksyscoca after every gui-pkg (de)installtion? |
| 14:48.59 | craigevil-eee | philluminati: firefox is iceweasel, you probably want to add contrb non-freeto your sources.list |
| 14:49.06 | micols__ | yes, thats very good tips i must say.. couldnt have thought about those myself :) |
| 14:49.10 | cizra | OK. I just discovered and fixed a small bug that prevented me running mpc123 and wondered whether a fix would make it back into Etch. |
| 14:49.19 | cizra | Seems not. Thanks and bye. |
| 14:49.30 | micols__ | i ment tips like renicing your portmap, QoS on nfs shares or similar. |
| 14:49.50 | DebQuanti | wols: is it possible to download and unpatch a linux-headers package as I did with linux-source? |
| 14:50.04 | wols | DebQuanti: no |
| 14:50.06 | philluminati | my sources look like this: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 14:50.07 | philluminati | deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 14:50.07 | philluminati | deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:50.07 | philluminati | deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free |
| 14:50.07 | philluminati | deb http://download.tuxfamily.org/shames/debian-etch/desktopfx/stable/ ./ |
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| 14:50.18 | wols | DebQuanti: if you "unpatch" source you do a custom kernel and need custom headers |
| 14:50.29 | abrotman | craigevil-eee: what does contrib/non-free have to do with iceweasel? |
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| 14:50.50 | abrotman | philluminati: aptitude install iceweasel .. it's iceweasel2 in etch |
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| 14:51.22 | DebQuanti | wols: according to the debian kernel book, you can obtain a linux-source package corresponding to your linux-image kernel by unpatching. In other words, I did not touch linux-image and retained the original package that came from Debian |
| 14:51.25 | philluminati | can I just change my sources to point to lenny? |
| 14:51.34 | craigevil-eee | abrotman: nothing, he was complaining about not having many apps to install |
| 14:51.35 | abrotman | you can't go back if you do |
| 14:51.52 | abrotman | still doesn't see what contrib/non-free have to do with that |
| 14:52.01 | wols | DebQuanti: "Unpatching" is a UNword |
| 14:52.16 | philluminati | well lenny is newer than etch right? |
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| 14:52.27 | wols | philluminati: with more bugs too |
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| 14:52.55 | philluminati | alright, I'll just stick with it as it is |
| 14:53.22 | micols__ | also i wonder if mangling with the tcpip stack will gain any performance for it |
| 14:53.24 | DebQuanti | wols: yes, unpathcing up to the level where I want to get my version. For example. I did the following: /usr/src/kernel-patches/all/2.6.24/apply/debian 2.6.24-1 |
| 14:53.37 | micols__ | i guess it will only add overhead |
| 14:53.50 | DebQuanti | this would unpatch 7 patches to get me EXACTLY to the existing packaged version |
| 14:54.05 | wols | DebQuanti: unpatching is no word. period |
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| 14:54.25 | wols | and patching is done with patch and diff, nothing else |
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| 14:54.57 | wols | DebQuanti: I gave you a way to get your headers as a deb. what's wrong with that? |
| 14:55.06 | oceanborn | Hi and also sorry possible offtopic. Does pptpd with radius.so plugin understands radius packet of disconnect? |
| 14:55.24 | DebQuanti | wols: well, I couldn't find that package on the website which you provided either. |
| 14:56.06 | DebQuanti | wols: would it be easier to just download a new kernel with source and header packages of the same version? |
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| 14:57.22 | wols | DebQuanti: why would you want source? |
| 14:58.09 | DebQuanti | wols: to compile a few modules that I need (unavailable in binary format) |
| 14:58.52 | wols | modules in the debian kernel source? |
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| 14:59.26 | philluminati | apt-get install iceweasel2 doesn't exist. I've done apt-cache search iceweasel and nothing looks like firefox 3 |
| 14:59.27 | DebQuanti | wols: no, modules in an external package that require the availability of linux-source, linux-headers, and build-essential |
| 14:59.39 | philluminati | any suggestions? |
| 15:00.44 | abrotman | philluminati: jsut "iceweasel" .. apt-cache search will help |
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| 15:02.09 | CustomGT | For you guys who dont use a gui, how do you view the internet pages? Does iceweasel launch from the command line? |
| 15:02.25 | CustomGT | (withought gnome or kdm) |
| 15:03.12 | pumpkin0 | CustomGT: there are other browsers for console. |
| 15:03.17 | fas3r | it's possible to use netinstall but from USB storage key ? |
| 15:03.19 | philluminati | try links or linx which are terminal web browsers |
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| 15:04.13 | CustomGT | pumpkin0: what do you prefer? Id like to try it to see different ways i can use linux for a more everyday machine. Right now i just use it for servers |
| 15:04.18 | Gillpy | When will the new codename be decided |
| 15:04.22 | CustomGT | philluminati, thanks |
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| 15:04.39 | philluminati | np |
| 15:04.50 | pumpkin0 | CustomGT: for normal browsing i use a GUI. |
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| 15:08.52 | CustomGT | just tried links, i dont think i could get used to a terminal browser |
| 15:09.26 | philluminati | no its crap like a mobile phone web browser |
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| 15:09.30 | philluminati | and you get no pictures |
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| 15:10.03 | CustomGT | so you must have gnome or kde installed to launch a gui window? |
| 15:10.18 | philluminati | but it's enough to paste an error message into a paste bin and with command line irc clients and some luck you can normally fix a botched X-org config or install |
| 15:10.44 | willluongo | Hello, I have successfully installed ndiswrapper for my wifi card, and am still not seeing wireless. What else am I supposed to do? |
| 15:11.44 | philluminati | CustomGT, pretty much yes. (There are smaller, more effecient window managers like XFCE and blackbox) but firefox doesn't run directly against a terminal |
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| 15:13.19 | CustomGT | willluongo: http://pastebin.com/mc4c3073 check out my writeup on ndiswrapper this works |
| 15:15.00 | jetscreamer | oh lookee an updated abiword, just as i predicted |
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| 15:17.02 | shah | if i do apt-get install fluxbox in debian, its giving o/p as: Could'nt find package Fluxbox |
| 15:17.15 | Lagbolt | willluongo, what card do you have? |
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| 15:17.25 | abrotman | shah: show us your sources |
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| 15:18.13 | willluongo | CustomGT: I am trying it now |
| 15:18.19 | willluongo | Lagbolt: RT2500 |
| 15:18.27 | abrotman | shah: aptitude install fluxbox xorg .. doesn't work ? |
| 15:18.36 | asg | abrotman: show us you're nuts |
| 15:18.48 | shah | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m30902b6b |
| 15:19.02 | Lagbolt | willluongo, you might try this https://launchpad.net/auto-ndiswrapprer |
| 15:19.02 | abrotman | asg: do you really want proof ? |
| 15:19.14 | asg | abrotman: KFM reference |
| 15:19.15 | willluongo | Lagbolt: I did |
| 15:19.20 | abrotman | shah: what country are you in ? |
| 15:19.28 | willluongo | Lagbolt: It didn't work, gave me an error with Epiphany |
| 15:19.31 | abrotman | asg: sorry :( |
| 15:19.32 | shah | abrotman: India |
| 15:19.37 | Lagbolt | willluongo, ah didnt work? is it usb? |
| 15:19.56 | willluongo | Lagbolt: No, internal |
| 15:19.58 | willluongo | brb |
| 15:20.05 | Lagbolt | willluongo, can stlill be usb |
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| 15:20.12 | Lagbolt | does it show up in lsusb or lspci |
| 15:20.25 | abrotman | add "deb http://ftp.iitm.ac.in/debian etch main" to your sources.list |
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| 15:22.02 | willluongo | Lagbolt: lspci |
| 15:22.03 | willluongo | 00:09.0 Network controller: RaLink RT2500 802.11g Cardbus/mini-PCI (rev 01) |
| 15:22.45 | willluongo | brb |
| 15:22.49 | Lagbolt | willluongo, lspci -n |
| 15:23.02 | abrotman | !rt2x00 |
| 15:23.02 | dpkg | it has been said that rt2x00 is a project (http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/) providing drivers for most <Ralink> cards, and a set of drivers from that project. The rt2x00 drivers are available as (quite buggy) out-of-tree LKM-s in Etch, packaged as 'rt2x00-source', read /usr/share/doc/rt2x00-source/README.Debian for compilation instructions. Starting from lenny/Linux 2.6.24, rt2x00 is included in Linux. Also ask me about <ralink firmware>. |
| 15:23.02 | Lagbolt | and find line with 00:09:0 |
| 15:23.47 | Lagbolt | dude keeps brb'ing. kinda hard to help that way lol |
| 15:23.50 | willluongo | Lagbolt: 00:09.0 0280: 1814:0201 (rev 01) |
| 15:23.55 | Lagbolt | ah ok |
| 15:24.08 | willluongo | Lagbolt: I'm sorry, I am actually here |
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| 15:24.34 | Lagbolt | willluongo, did you download the driver WL54driver2.2.6.0.zip? ftp://ftp.a-link.com/wl54h/WL54driver2.2.6.0.zip |
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| 15:25.58 | willluongo | Lagbolt: I've been using the RT2500.INF from the laptop manufacturer |
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| 15:26.24 | Lagbolt | willluongo, have you been to ndiswrapper page? they have all these cards listed. looks like not so great support for that one |
| 15:26.28 | willluongo | Lagbolt: Also, the link failed |
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| 15:26.55 | Lagbolt | willluongo, http://ndiswrapper.sourceforge.net/joomla/index.php?/component/option,com_openwiki/Itemid,33/id,list_o-z/ |
| 15:26.57 | willluongo | lagbolt: the thing is it works in a variety of live cds |
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| 15:27.06 | Lagbolt | willluongo, then search for your pciid the 1814:0201 |
| 15:27.10 | Lagbolt | the link works for me on the page |
| 15:27.41 | willluongo | Lagbolt: hrm must be pasting a bad char or something |
| 15:27.43 | Lagbolt | ah shoot wrong ling |
| 15:27.45 | Lagbolt | link |
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| 15:27.50 | Lagbolt | it is broke, let me see if ican find another |
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| 15:30.16 | willluongo | Lagbolt: Resetting, will return |
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| 15:33.19 | white_gecko | hello |
| 15:33.22 | Lagbolt | hi |
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| 15:34.02 | white_gecko | how can i create a *-dev package from sources? |
| 15:34.19 | white_gecko | i want to have a amarok-dev package, because i sould find it anywhere |
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| 15:38.26 | LemensTS | Vmware ESXi is gonna be free!!! |
| 15:38.33 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: Back, sorry |
| 15:39.04 | Lagbolt | WillLuongo, real quick humor me. after you install the driver you tried , does "ndiswrapper -l" show it as installed? |
| 15:39.23 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: yes both times |
| 15:39.37 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: after rebooting I was able to get wlan0 to show up though |
| 15:39.41 | Lagbolt | WillLuongo, then when you "modprobe ndiswrapper" what do you get in your dmest for output |
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| 15:39.56 | Lagbolt | dmesg output that is |
| 15:40.10 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: wlan goodness |
| 15:40.15 | Lagbolt | ah so you got wlan0 to show up how? |
| 15:40.21 | Lagbolt | so it is working now? |
| 15:40.34 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: rebooting and modprobed ndis |
| 15:40.57 | Lagbolt | ok so iwconfig shows it up and running? can you scan? |
| 15:41.08 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: No, says no results |
| 15:41.25 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: I am wondering if Power Management: off means it is turned off? |
| 15:41.27 | Lagbolt | is your wireless on? you didnt hit the switch did you? |
| 15:41.36 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: I've tried it both ways |
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| 15:42.17 | Lagbolt | is there another kern module loaded that conflicts? for me if both b43 or ndiswrapper are in i get screwed |
| 15:42.31 | WillLuongo | I'll double check for b43 |
| 15:42.34 | Lagbolt | not b43 |
| 15:42.41 | Lagbolt | you would be rlt something |
| 15:42.42 | Lagbolt | i think |
| 15:42.50 | Lagbolt | i am b43 cause i have broadcom |
| 15:43.00 | WillLuongo | oh right right |
| 15:43.02 | WillLuongo | no rt |
| 15:43.37 | Lagbolt | card shows up in iwconfig tho right? try "ifconfig wlan0 up" and then "iwlist wlan0 scan" |
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| 15:44.06 | LemensTS | willluongo did you check out the pastebin |
| 15:44.21 | Lagbolt | WillLuongo, you do have a wireless router that is broadcasting right? |
| 15:44.35 | Lagbolt | not using hidden ssid |
| 15:44.49 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: Yes |
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| 15:44.59 | WillLuongo | LemensTS: I am |
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| 15:46.17 | Lagbolt | LemensTS, i am assuming he is past that. he claims to be able to see it with "ndiswrapper -l" |
| 15:46.18 | keith80403 | On the current Unstable, what would cause eth0 to get an IP address during the bootup, but lose it by the time the desktop appears? I have to run "sudo dhclient eth0" manually to fix this - why would this happen? |
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| 15:46.37 | Lagbolt | WillLuongo, can you pastebin output from ndiswrapper -l and the output from dmesg when the module is loaded |
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| 15:46.45 | soulchild | Hi all,... I want to send a Fax with my notebook over the integrated modem, how can I find out the device name of it ? |
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| 15:47.24 | DeltaS4 | are atd and anacrond required by debian by default even if I don't use that for my own scheduled tasks? |
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| 15:48.39 | martian67 | how do i clean up apt run scripts |
| 15:48.44 | martian67 | like i have some package that didnt uninstall prorperly |
| 15:48.44 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: sure, just a sec |
| 15:48.48 | martian67 | every time i use apt to update |
| 15:48.59 | martian67 | it trying to run its non existant menu script |
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| 15:50.02 | soulchild | Hi all,... I want to send a Fax with my notebook over the integrated modem, how can I find out the device name of it ? |
| 15:50.08 | peppe | DeltaS4: at is required by LSB. anacron afaik is not necessary |
| 15:50.19 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: willluongo.pastebin.com |
| 15:50.44 | Lagbolt | um that is empty |
| 15:51.37 | peppe | soulchild: look at kernel's log. are you sure that the modem works? |
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| 15:52.02 | mbroeker | soulchild, maybe this will help you: http://www.aboutdebian.com/modems.htm |
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| 15:52.04 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: It's the newest one, I'll send the specific link in a second |
| 15:52.22 | Lagbolt | newest? |
| 15:52.22 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: willluongo.pastebin.com/md60263d76 |
| 15:52.41 | Lagbolt | dude, unknown post id |
| 15:52.42 | nkuttler | martian67: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:52.53 | hedos | Hello. Anybody knows where I can find the TrueType fonts used on Windows? |
| 15:53.02 | WillLuongo | oops no d |
| 15:53.11 | WillLuongo | willluongo.pastebin.com/m60263d76 |
| 15:53.13 | Lagbolt | ok |
| 15:53.20 | martian67 | nkuttler: what of it? |
| 15:53.22 | nkuttler | hedos: msttcorefonts |
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| 15:53.28 | nkuttler | martian67: well fix the script |
| 15:53.32 | rdz | hi all. if i would like a certain module to be loaded with different options than the defaults, what file do i need to edit? |
| 15:53.40 | hedos | Great, thanks nkuttler ! |
| 15:53.49 | Lagbolt | WillLuongo, and you did "ifconfig wlan0 up" and "iwlist wlan0 scan" and shows nothing? |
| 15:53.49 | martian67 | nkuttler: is it safe to just delete it? |
| 15:53.51 | ghoul2083 | is there a guide for getting 3d acceleration to run on a SIS 64MB shared memory graphiccard? |
| 15:54.24 | nkuttler | martian67: um, i guess no. rather fix it or put an exit 0 in and look what it should have done. |
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| 15:54.42 | Lagbolt | WillLuongo, and you got the driver from windows install? |
| 15:54.52 | peppe | ghoul2083: most SiS chipset haven't 3d. see the winischhofer's site FAQ |
| 15:55.02 | martian67 | nkuttler: what is telling these scripts to execute? |
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| 15:55.38 | WillLuongo | Lagbolt: willluongo.pastebin.com/f3b728b0d |
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| 15:56.15 | nkuttler | martian67: no idea |
| 15:58.28 | lxsameer | is there any way to repair the bad block of a hard disk? |
| 15:59.06 | peppe | no. change the hard disk |
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| 15:59.53 | peppe | you may tell a filesystem to not use those bad blocks, but if a disk has bad blocks it's probabily passing away, so change it asap |
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| 16:00.49 | xingu | actually that's a kind of crap answer, at volume size of 12TB you're almost certain to have one errored byte per filesystem |
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| 16:00.53 | ghoul2083 | peppe: thanks for that info. Where can i see what SIS XXX card i have? |
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| 16:01.16 | peppe | ghoul2083: lspci |
| 16:01.19 | xingu | but there's not much you can do without fs-level ecc going on |
| 16:01.43 | ghoul2083 | peppe: thanks again... |
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| 16:02.40 | peppe | xingu: I suppose that if you manage a 12TB filesystem you won't come to #debian asking for how to repair bad blocks :P |
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| 16:04.30 | hedos | Trying to install the java runtime, but the "fakeroot make-jpkg ..." returns "No matching plugin was found". Any idea? |
| 16:05.17 | xingu | peppe: rate that disks are growing at we'll all be there sooner rather than later - sometimes it's useful to unlearn what have become stock/ cargo-cult-esque answers |
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| 16:10.46 | adamS | how do i execute a php script from the command prompt? |
| 16:10.49 | rdz | what do i need to edit, so that ipw2200 is automatically loaded with option 'rtap_iface=1' ? |
| 16:11.06 | rdz | on boot, i mean |
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| 16:11.17 | xand | adamS: install php5-cli |
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| 16:11.52 | adamS | i have php installed, but i dont know how to execute this scripts.. like what would the command be? |
| 16:13.37 | peppe | adamS: php thephpscript.php |
| 16:13.48 | LemensTS | you just launch the script at the command line. you must have php5-cli installed like xand said |
| 16:14.10 | itchi | rdz: just add these args after the module name in the /etc/modules. BTW, you can use modconf wich may be easier |
| 16:14.37 | xand | adamS: did you install that package? if you did, either add #!/usr/bin/php to the top of the script and make it executable, or run "php scriptname.php" |
| 16:14.59 | rdz | itchi, i added the line 'ipw2200 rtap_iface=1' to /etc/modules, but after the reboot there was not rtap0 device |
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| 16:17.02 | Crypticfortune | hmmm so trying to build a 2.6.26 kernel for lenny, but when it boots, after loading lvm it successfully loads my lvs and mounts root, but then ceases to be able to see any of the partitions in /dev/sda (in particular /dev/sda1 which is /boot)... any ideas what i'm screwing up? |
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| 16:17.49 | nickmarinho | hello all |
| 16:18.21 | nickmarinho | i have a issue to configure my PixelView PlatTV Xtreme, anyone can help me ? |
| 16:18.32 | nickmarinho | its a capture card |
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| 16:19.53 | itchi | rdz: Sorry, in fact it should be in /etc/modprobe.d/ipw2200. Tested with the bttv module and i got "options bttv card=100 tuner=5" in that /etc/modprobe.d/bttv file |
| 16:20.03 | Wyzard | adama: The normal PHP package (php5) is for serving PHP pages with Apache |
| 16:20.07 | rdz | itchi, ah i see.. thanks a lot |
| 16:20.22 | Wyzard | adama: If you want to run PHP scripts from the command line, there's a separate package (php5-cli) which provides /usr/bin/php for that |
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| 16:24.24 | nickmarinho | i have a issue to configure my PixelView PlatTV Xtreme, anyone can help me ? |
| 16:24.41 | kibibyte | hi |
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| 16:25.49 | stevedondley | I want to install unison on my debian etch. Should I just use the older package or should I install the latest and greatest? |
| 16:25.58 | nickmarinho | i have a issue to configure my capture card PixelView PlatTV Xtreme, anyone can help me ? |
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| 16:26.33 | rdz | itchi, yo.. it works.. thanks a lot |
| 16:26.40 | nickmarinho | please |
| 16:27.32 | stevedondley | also, looking at http://packages.debian.org/stable/net/unison, how can I tell which version of unison debian has? |
| 16:27.36 | Crypticfortune | nickmarinho: i don't know what the pixelview palttv is, sorry... |
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| 16:28.24 | stevedondley | oh, looks like 2.13.16 |
| 16:28.33 | Chiamavano | -- version |
| 16:28.41 | stevedondley | the 2.9.1 down lower on the page confused me |
| 16:29.01 | stevedondley | Chiamavano: well, I would have to install it to see the version |
| 16:29.18 | nickmarinho | Crypticfortune: PixelView PlayTV Xtreme |
| 16:29.27 | nickmarinho | its a capture card |
| 16:29.36 | peppe | nickmarinho: what's the problem? |
| 16:29.36 | nickmarinho | video |
| 16:30.30 | nickmarinho | i 'd compiled a kernel and over a net manual i enabled the bttv,cx8800,cx88xx and tuner modules but;... |
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| 16:31.16 | nickmarinho | no one of types of card in that list made it run |
| 16:31.47 | itchi | rdz: no problem, you are welcome ;-) |
| 16:32.11 | peppe | nickmarinho: which chipset does that card have? |
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| 16:32.42 | dvs | nickmarinho: lscpi | grep video |
| 16:32.47 | nickmarinho | how can i see it ? |
| 16:32.52 | peppe | nickmarinho: lspci |
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| 16:33.28 | kryl_ | hi |
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| 16:33.49 | nickmarinho | oki have two lines: |
| 16:33.52 | nickmarinho | 00:0b.0 Multimedia video controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder (rev 05) |
| 16:34.02 | nickmarinho | and |
| 16:34.03 | nickmarinho | 00:0b.1 Multimedia controller: Conexant CX23880/1/2/3 PCI Video and Audio Decoder [Audio Port] (rev 05) |
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| 16:35.09 | maligor | TV capture card, eh |
| 16:35.14 | nickmarinho | yep |
| 16:35.23 | nickmarinho | maligor: can you help too ? |
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| 16:35.48 | nickmarinho | i think peppe trying |
| 16:36.10 | peppe | nickmarinho: it should be supported http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88_devices_(cx2388x) |
| 16:36.23 | nickmarinho | yeah i saw it |
| 16:36.27 | peppe | but you should use the very latest drivers for this kind of things, look on that wiki |
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| 16:36.41 | nickmarinho | ok i'll back soon |
| 16:36.44 | flawer | why doesnt the dabian DVD autoboot? |
| 16:37.14 | kryl_ | I have a dmz with public ip from x.X.X.130 to X.X.X.150 the gateway is on Y.Y.Y.105 and the router on Y.Y.Y.106, when I send something from the dmz everything come from the Y.Y.Y.105 gateway IP and not from public ip, how to fix that problem please ? |
| 16:37.26 | peppe | look in dmesg if it is detected properly and doesn't report any errors, then try capturing something with mencoder / xawtv / ... |
| 16:37.28 | maligor | nickmarinho: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Cx88_devices_(cx2388x) |
| 16:37.36 | stevedondley | is there anything I need to be careful of when installing software without using the debian package system? |
| 16:38.04 | nickmarinho | dmesg show the statistics after the module enabled |
| 16:38.04 | flawer | shuld the debian install DVD #1 bootable? |
| 16:38.12 | nickmarinho | i have to configure it before |
| 16:38.16 | Eulex | stevedondley, yes. overwriting existing files. |
| 16:38.23 | nickmarinho | i think |
| 16:38.35 | peppe | stevedondley: like, it could remove /usr/ and erase /bin/ls and no one will complain? use checkinstall at least |
| 16:38.49 | peppe | nickmarinho: try a capture then |
| 16:38.50 | stevedondley | Eulex: so how do I avoid that? |
| 16:38.54 | maligor | oh, heh, peppe already paste the url :P |
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| 16:39.15 | Eulex | stevedondley, uninstall software before building the same software from source.' |
| 16:39.18 | stevedondley | Eulex: I want to install the latest version of unison, but there is no backport for it on my machine (amd64) |
| 16:39.23 | nickmarinho | please see it |
| 16:39.24 | itchi | flawer: Is the bootsequence ok? Does to computer boot other CD/DVD's? |
| 16:39.25 | nickmarinho | http://paste.la/2351 |
| 16:39.45 | peppe | stevedondley: consider rebuilding that package yourself, then |
| 16:39.47 | Eulex | stevedondley, is the one in unstable new enough? 2.27.57, that is |
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| 16:40.08 | stevedondley | peppe: I'd be willing, but I don't know how yet |
| 16:40.12 | flawer | itchi: I havent downloaded the dvd yet. Will it boot? |
| 16:40.17 | nickmarinho | i made this list according the configuration that was doing |
| 16:40.18 | stevedondley | Eulex: is for 386, I have amd64 |
| 16:40.27 | peppe | nickmarinho: well, use the *right* card= option :D |
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| 16:40.34 | itchi | flawer: Why not? It's been the install cd? |
| 16:40.42 | itchi | s/cd/dvd/ |
| 16:40.46 | peppe | nickmarinho: try a capture! |
| 16:40.47 | nickmarinho | oh man, i think this is the exactly problem |
| 16:40.56 | Eulex | !tell stevedondley about ssb |
| 16:41.20 | flawer | itchi: if I download it, will it be bootable? |
| 16:41.25 | maligor | nickmarinho, is it digital tv capture btw? |
| 16:41.33 | Eulex | stevedondley, unstable has both binaries for amd64 and source for unison 2.27.57. you'd only need source to backport the package. |
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| 16:43.24 | stevedondley | Eulex: please forgive me, I'm only a part-time geek, is there some procedure I could follow to use the amd64 binaries with the source? |
| 16:43.40 | stevedondley | this stuff has always confused the hell out of me |
| 16:43.46 | nickmarinho | maligor: what ? |
| 16:43.56 | stevedondley | I need a package 101 course |
| 16:44.40 | spx2 | hi |
| 16:44.53 | spx2 | If I would ask you what version of debian would you recommend to me to put on a server |
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| 16:44.57 | spx2 | most stable one |
| 16:44.59 | maligor | nickmarinho, the chip just seems to be capable of analog and digital operation |
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| 16:45.05 | spx2 | or I don't know , the best one |
| 16:45.08 | spx2 | what would you answer ? |
| 16:45.23 | spx2 | there are certainly allot of options on http://www.debian.org/ |
| 16:45.29 | spx2 | I don't exactly know which to choose |
| 16:45.39 | maligor | darned vague about the dtv features tho |
| 16:45.47 | nickmarinho | the card have the two forms, digital and analog |
| 16:46.04 | dvs | spx2: Getting Started |
| 16:50.17 | spx2 | dvs: erm ... that's not what I asked ... |
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| 16:51.13 | dvs | spx2: Then what? http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ The only question now is which architecture is it going to run on. |
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| 16:51.39 | wols | spx2: debian stable of course |
| 16:51.48 | wols | spx2: there is only one choice |
| 16:52.36 | spx2 | I will choose this http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 16:52.45 | spx2 | what CPU architecture should I go for ? |
| 16:52.53 | wols | depends on what CPU you have |
| 16:52.58 | spx2 | wols: when buying a server I mean |
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| 16:53.08 | wols | spx2: ##hardware |
| 16:53.20 | wols | we don't do hardware buying advice |
| 16:53.33 | wols | spx2: first learn what you need |
| 16:54.31 | lunaphyte | is there a program i can run from a shell to show information regarding my graphics card (an older nvidia gforce)? |
| 16:55.16 | peppe | what kind of information? |
| 16:55.53 | lunaphyte | hardware related, like model, type, amount of memory sort of stuff. |
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| 16:56.06 | wols | !what's my hardware |
| 16:56.07 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, shiny! |
| 16:56.07 | peppe | lunaphyte: lspci, lshw, dmidecode |
| 16:56.22 | peppe | heh, I knew that there was a dpkg key for that :D |
| 16:57.26 | lunaphyte | great, thanks. |
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| 16:58.34 | stevedondley | Eulex: ok, so I have the sources downloaded to my server from http://www.seas.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison//download/releases/stable/ |
| 16:58.41 | stevedondley | what do I do with it? |
| 16:58.51 | wols | stevedondley: why do you compile source? |
| 16:59.24 | stevedondley | wols: I want to try to backport unison to etch |
| 16:59.25 | stevedondley | I'm pretty much clueless, though |
| 16:59.25 | wols | !tell stevedondley about ssb |
| 16:59.41 | stevedondley | someone already told be about ssb but I don't understand a word of it, really |
| 17:00.28 | stevedondley | just reread it |
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| 17:00.38 | stevedondley | one question I have is that I'm on etch |
| 17:00.38 | wols | ask SPECIFIC questions |
| 17:00.43 | wols | so? |
| 17:00.51 | stevedondley | is adding a line to sid going to break shit? |
| 17:01.08 | stevedondley | any why wouldn't I do lenny? |
| 17:01.31 | stevedondley | I'm just skittish about messing with the package system |
| 17:02.07 | wols | you can use lenny as well for that |
| 17:02.15 | wols | your choice (if lenny has the right version that is) |
| 17:03.10 | Wyzard | stevedondley: If you add a sources.list line for sid, apt will start getting packages from sid |
| 17:03.39 | stevedondley | Wyzard: ok, so, I would just put that line to lenny/sid there for a short time, right? |
| 17:03.40 | wols | Wyzard: do you know the ssb factoid? |
| 17:04.05 | Wyzard | wols: I'm familiar with the process |
| 17:04.10 | wols | stevedondley: it won't get any packages from sid if you do it like the ssb factoid says |
| 17:04.18 | Wyzard | OK, ssb says deb-src, not deb |
| 17:04.20 | wols | at least not by default |
| 17:04.21 | Wyzard | That's reasonable |
| 17:04.22 | stevedondley | so I can just put that line in there, issue my "aptitude get ..." and I"d be fine? |
| 17:04.27 | wols | Wyzard: exactly |
| 17:04.37 | wols | stevedondley: no you can't. read it more carefully |
| 17:04.47 | stevedondley | I'll google ssb factoid |
| 17:04.54 | stevedondley | I don't know what ssb is...hold on |
| 17:05.10 | Wyzard | ssb is "simple sid backport" |
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| 17:05.17 | maligor | mm.. experimental has kde 4.1.0-1? I didn't even know it was released |
| 17:05.29 | Wyzard | stevedondley: basically, you get the source package from sid, and compile it on etch |
| 17:05.33 | stevedondley | google doesn't tell me anything about ssb factoid |
| 17:05.38 | wols | stevedondley: ssb is that factoid I gave you |
| 17:05.42 | wols | stevedondley: dpkg did |
| 17:05.58 | wols | stevedondley: 6 minutes ago |
| 17:06.04 | stevedondley | oh, right |
| 17:06.14 | stevedondley | I thought it might be something different |
| 17:06.25 | stevedondley | oh, ok, so I download the source, not the debian package, is that right? |
| 17:07.08 | stevedondley | now, that apt-get update won't mess things up? |
| 17:07.09 | Wyzard | stevedondley: You download the Debian source package |
| 17:07.16 | Wyzard | not the source tarball from the upstream website |
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| 17:07.26 | stevedondley | Wyzard: right, I think I'm getting it |
| 17:07.43 | stevedondley | i never understood apt-get update |
| 17:07.56 | stevedondley | if I issue that command it's just rereading my sources.list? |
| 17:08.11 | Wyzard | yes, and downloading new package lists from the sources |
| 17:08.18 | wols | it rereads sources.list and updates all packagelists mentioned in there |
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| 17:08.52 | stevedondley | and so if I pull that line out after getting the source package for unison, I'll be fine again, right? |
| 17:09.49 | Wyzard | If you only add a deb-src line, not a deb line, apt won't use sid for installing binary packages |
| 17:09.55 | Wyzard | only for downloading source packages |
| 17:10.07 | stevedondley | right |
| 17:10.17 | stevedondley | but I should still comment it out, I suppose |
| 17:10.32 | wols | stevedondley: after you are done, yes |
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| 17:11.18 | stevedondley | ok, so step 4 says: 4) install the resultant debs. |
| 17:11.35 | stevedondley | that's just a simple apt-get install command? |
| 17:12.05 | FluffyArmada | I don't suppose anyone in here would be able to say anything about why GNUMail.app is extremely slow? :) |
| 17:12.23 | Wyzard | stevedondley: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 17:12.37 | stevedondley | Wyzard: ah, ok |
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| 17:12.47 | nickmarinho | peppe & milargo: i made it run now, but no sound, any idea ? |
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| 17:13.09 | stevedondley | ok, I'm going to try this now |
| 17:13.24 | peppe | nickmarinho: look in /proc/asound/cards if it is detected properly, if so, change the input card in the program you're using |
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| 17:16.07 | stevedondley | ok, I have a deb-src link for security.debian.org, should I comment that out, too? |
| 17:16.17 | stevedondley | that is in my sources.list |
| 17:16.18 | Wyzard | no |
| 17:16.41 | stevedondley | so it can live with my deb-src lenny line, ok |
| 17:17.04 | stevedondley | ok, the etch line is commented out and I now have a lenny deb-src line in there |
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| 17:17.35 | Wyzard | You don't have to comment out the etch deb-src line either |
| 17:17.46 | msshams | across the committing svn my computer disconnect from the net. please help me how can i resume that operation? |
| 17:18.16 | yangp | What is with the program talk/talkd why don't they work? |
| 17:18.45 | msshams | yangp: me? |
| 17:18.59 | Wyzard | msshams: SVN commits are atomic, so if your computer was disconnected before the commit was finished, the commit was probably aborted by the server |
| 17:19.02 | stevedondley | ok, oops, commented out the etch deb-src line anyway, too late and I ran apt-get update; |
| 17:19.02 | Wyzard | msshams: Just commit again |
| 17:19.05 | wols | !tell yangp about doesn't work |
| 17:19.08 | stevedondley | but I'm ok, right? |
| 17:19.18 | wols | stevedondley: yes |
| 17:19.24 | yangp | wols: Connection refused is what I get, and you cant really modify much talkd |
| 17:19.29 | stevedondley | ok, so now I do apt-get build essential; |
| 17:19.29 | Wyzard | stevedondley: Yes, you're OK |
| 17:19.43 | msshams | Wyzard: when i commit again it says: svn: run 'svn cleanup' to remove locks (type 'svn help cleanup' for details) |
| 17:19.53 | stevedondley | thanks, this is all kind of nerve wracking, when I first used debian, I messed up the package system pretty bad |
| 17:20.01 | wols | stevedondley: no. read more carefully |
| 17:20.17 | nickmarinho | pepper: you say to change in program that i'm using, you say mplayer ? |
| 17:20.20 | Wyzard | msshams: and did you do that? |
| 17:20.31 | wols | yangp: is talkd running? if so is it listening on a port? |
| 17:20.38 | stevedondley | wols: what? do I run those commands all at the same time? |
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| 17:20.57 | Nyle | Good afternoon |
| 17:21.00 | wols | stevedondley: "apt-get build essential" is utter nonsense. no one evre told you to run that |
| 17:21.11 | Nyle | !b-e |
| 17:21.11 | dpkg | build-essential is probably a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to aptitude install build-essential. If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 17:21.18 | stevedondley | oh, the hyphen, right |
| 17:21.24 | Nyle | stevedondley, read. |
| 17:21.32 | msshams | i run "svn cleanup" and commit again. but same occurred  |
| 17:21.43 | msshams | same error occurred |
| 17:21.53 | msshams | Wyzard: see aove |
| 17:21.56 | msshams | above* |
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| 17:22.06 | wols | stevedondley: no that would still be nonsense, less nonsense but still nonsense |
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| 17:22.39 | yangp | wols: wols there are 2 lines in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 17:22.40 | yangp | talk dgram udp wait nobody.tty /usr/sbin/in.talkd in.talkd |
| 17:22.44 | yangp | ntalk dgram udp wait nobody.tty /usr/sbin/in.ntalkd in.ntalkd |
| 17:22.56 | wols | that's great but doesn't tell anyone if it's running |
| 17:24.14 | yangp | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:514 0.0.0.0:* 2064/syslog-ng off (0.00/0/0) |
| 17:24.18 | yangp | udp 0 0 0.0.0.0:517 0.0.0.0:* 7370/inetd off (0.00/0/0) |
| 17:24.20 | stevedondley | ok, I've reread the factoid and the above. guess I'm just thick. the factoid says 3) apt-get install build-essential; |
| 17:24.28 | yangp | dp 0 0 0.0.0.0:518 0.0.0.0:* 7370/inetd off (0.00/0/0) |
| 17:25.15 | Wyzard | stevedondley: You left out the "install" in what you said earlier |
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| 17:25.44 | Wyzard | stevedondley: and wols apparently felt that a vague "read more carefully" would be a more helpful response than just telling you so |
| 17:26.08 | stevedondley | oh, ok, that's just me not being precise |
| 17:26.18 | stevedondley | I caught the hypen not the install |
| 17:26.22 | stevedondley | :) |
| 17:26.24 | wols | Wyzard: it's a good way to actually learn instead of spoon feeding. spoon feeding doesn't reinforce |
| 17:26.43 | stevedondley | ok, so I'm going to run that command |
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| 17:27.21 | yangp | wols: nevermind it seems to be working now after inetd restart |
| 17:27.35 | Wyzard | wols: I'm sure stevedondley has installed things with apt before... telling him he left out "install" isn't exactly spoon-feeding |
| 17:27.38 | Wyzard | more like pointing out a typo |
| 17:27.56 | stevedondley | so not it's asking me if I want to install g++ g++-4.1 libstdc++6-4.1-dev |
| 17:28.13 | Wyzard | stevedondley: right, because those are dependencies of build-essential |
| 17:28.22 | stevedondley | so this will not break my etch install, right? |
| 17:28.30 | wols | Wyzard: if he doesn't read ssb carefully, there is a good way to hose the system. so carefully reading factoids is ALWAYS useful |
| 17:28.35 | Wyzard | stevedondley: build-essential is a metapackage whose whole purpose is to pull in things like a compiler as dependencies |
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| 17:29.15 | stevedondley | I know that probably sounds dumb, but I've always been confused how debian's package installer works with different versions |
| 17:29.18 | Wyzard | stevedondley: Assuming you added only a deb-src line and not a deb line for lenny or sid, apt doesn't know about any binary packages from anything other than etch |
| 17:29.35 | Wyzard | stevedondley: so those packages are coming from etch |
| 17:29.41 | stevedondley | ok, got it |
| 17:29.44 | stevedondley | that makes sense |
| 17:30.05 | stevedondley | let me doublec check my sources.list file :) |
| 17:30.08 | Wyzard | stevedondley: basically, each line in sources.list refers to a set of .deb files, each with a name and a version |
| 17:30.25 | Wyzard | stevedondley: It's possible to have several versions of the same package available (e.g. if you have deb lines for both etch and lenny) |
| 17:30.39 | Wyzard | stevedondley: and by default apt uses the newest version available |
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| 17:31.06 | sasuke781 | so whos here from about 12 hours ago? |
| 17:31.30 | stevedondley | yup, my deb line still points to etch |
| 17:31.35 | Wyzard | stevedondley: That's why it's important to not add a deb line for lenny or sid on a system that you want to stay stable -- apt would start "seeing" the testing/unstable packages, and would install them instead of the etch ones because the version numbers are higher |
| 17:31.49 | wols | sasuke781: ask your real question |
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| 17:32.19 | sasuke781 | -_- thats why i asked anyone that was here from 12 hours ago would know about my problem and others could pickup on it |
| 17:32.20 | stevedondley | ok, I'm clear on that now |
| 17:32.25 | stevedondley | thanks |
| 17:32.40 | LemensTS | does anyone have a good document that explains what linux-headers are? I cant find anything good on google |
| 17:32.42 | sasuke781 | well anyway |
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| 17:32.51 | Wyzard | stevedondley: btw, you can use "apt-cache policy" to see what versions of a package are available: "apt-cache policy g++" for example |
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| 17:33.35 | sasuke781 | i installed debian with the netinstall, it couldnt detect my ethernet, so i just installed a base system. Then thats when i wrote grub and tried to reboot |
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| 17:33.51 | sasuke781 | all i kept getting was "disk boot failure" |
| 17:34.09 | sasuke781 | i did everything....and now im trying to install with a full disc |
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| 17:34.19 | sasuke781 | but my question is |
| 17:34.23 | wols | sasuke781: what hdd controller, what ethernet controller? |
| 17:34.24 | stevedondley | ok, what's the easies way to find the package name? |
| 17:34.31 | sasuke781 | via |
| 17:34.32 | stevedondley | dpkg -l ? |
| 17:34.33 | dpkg | stevedondley: wish i knew |
| 17:34.46 | wols | stevedondley: apt-cache search unison |
| 17:34.52 | stevedondley | guess I could look on debian.org |
| 17:34.54 | stevedondley | ok |
| 17:35.06 | sasuke781 | why would linux load fine on another machine with the same hdd but not on the machine i want it to run on |
| 17:35.08 | wols | sasuke781: a bit more detailed please |
| 17:35.20 | wols | sasuke781: cause the hdd doesn't mean shit |
| 17:35.27 | sasuke781 | thats it....via....north and south are both via chipsets |
| 17:35.40 | wols | sasuke781: via makes more than one type of hdd controller |
| 17:35.40 | Wyzard | stevedondley: The package name for unison is "unison" |
| 17:35.50 | stevedondley | Wyzard: right |
| 17:35.51 | sasuke781 | -_- i know that |
| 17:35.55 | wols | sasuke781: and there is the question of network chip too |
| 17:35.56 | stevedondley | I have an academic question |
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| 17:36.05 | sasuke781 | if i had the model numbers i would give them |
| 17:36.21 | sasuke781 | the board is the biostar p4m800-pro m7 |
| 17:36.25 | sasuke781 | version 1.2 |
| 17:36.25 | stevedondley | so, like, there is a "unison" package name and a "unison2.9.1" package name |
| 17:36.27 | Wyzard | stevedondley: but for an "apt-get source" you may need to know the source package name... you can get that by running "apt-cache show unison" and looking at the "Source:" line |
| 17:36.37 | sasuke781 | figure it out form that....cause i dont know |
| 17:36.37 | wols | sasuke781: doesn't tell me anything more either |
| 17:36.45 | wols | hdd controller chip and ethernet chip |
| 17:36.46 | Eulex | sasuke781, can you tell us the actual problem/error you're encountering instead of 'it does not work'? |
| 17:36.54 | sasuke781 | well idk....if you want to know tell me how to find it |
| 17:36.56 | stevedondley | ok |
| 17:37.01 | wols | sasuke781: have fun doing it yourself. you know: google is over there. HANSD |
| 17:37.09 | Eulex | sasuke781, lcpsi if you can do that. |
| 17:37.12 | Eulex | *lspci |
| 17:37.14 | stevedondley | I'm going to copy paste all of this for future reference, good stuff |
| 17:37.22 | sasuke781 | no i cant....i cant even boot linux |
| 17:37.29 | Wyzard | stevedondley: unison requires you to have the same version on both ends of the connection, I believe |
| 17:37.30 | Eulex | so what happens? |
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| 17:37.55 | stevedondley | so I happen to know "unison" is the latest package, but if I didn't, how would I know to not use unionson2.9.1? |
| 17:37.59 | sasuke781 | i dont have anything to tell you other then what i have....i dont have system specifics, and im not sure i can get them |
| 17:38.16 | stevedondley | apt-get build-dep unison |
| 17:38.20 | wols | sasuke781: we certainly can't get them since it's not our hardware |
| 17:38.25 | Wyzard | stevedondley: "unison" is version 2.13.16, and "unison2.9.1" is an older version, presumably the version that was in the previous release of Debian, for syncing with systems that only have that version |
| 17:38.27 | stevedondley | oops, wrong window :) |
| 17:39.04 | Wyzard | stevedondley: in sid, "unison" is version 2.27.57, and there's a "unison2.13.6" for syncing with etch systems |
| 17:39.07 | sasuke781 | well dude i told you the board and version number.....geez let me see if biostar even has the specs listed |
| 17:39.10 | Wyzard | and unison2.9.1 has been dropped |
| 17:39.21 | sasuke781 | its like a 4 yo board |
| 17:39.24 | stevedondley | hmmm |
| 17:39.31 | stevedondley | now, how I used lenny |
| 17:39.40 | Eulex | sasuke781, you still haven't answered my question. what happens when you try to boot linux? |
| 17:39.41 | stevedondley | I used lenny |
| 17:39.41 | wols | sasuke781: if you are too lazy to look it up yourself, give us one good reason to do it for you? |
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| 17:39.57 | stevedondley | so how to be sure I have the 2.27.57 version? |
| 17:40.13 | wols | stevedondley: apt-cache policy unison |
| 17:40.17 | wols | the installed: line tells you |
| 17:40.23 | sasuke781 | Eulex, "disk boot failure" |
| 17:40.28 | stevedondley | apt-cache policy unison |
| 17:40.32 | Eulex | sasuke781, any more than that? |
| 17:40.51 | pozic | Is it likely that embedded Linux implementations as found on some routers become part of a botnet? |
| 17:40.58 | Eulex | is it a message from the BIOS or from GRUB? |
| 17:41.01 | sasuke781 | wols, no need to get smart dude....im giving you what i know...if you want more you will have to wait to see if i can get it |
| 17:41.11 | sasuke781 | eulex, no theres nothing more then that |
| 17:41.19 | sasuke781 | thats what bios reports |
| 17:41.19 | stevedondley | so that says candidate: 2.13.16-5 |
| 17:41.25 | wols | sasuke781: I have a better solution. I stop trying to help you. goodbye |
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| 17:41.38 | stevedondley | crap |
| 17:41.41 | aadil | heh |
| 17:41.43 | wols | Eulex: good luck |
| 17:41.45 | stevedondley | so I need sid? |
| 17:41.46 | sasuke781 | ok thats fine dude |
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| 17:42.47 | Wyzard | stevedondley: no, 2.13.6 is the current version in etch |
| 17:42.48 | sasuke781 | eulex, give me a minute to check on exact chip models, not sure that they are even listed, as i told the other guy, this board is old |
| 17:42.49 | Eulex | sasuke781, I'd check the bios settings. other than that, no idea. |
| 17:42.58 | p3rti | hi i'm using apt-mirror to make a mirro r of debian on my pc.. when it download all files it say things about clean directory.. that will be delete all the files that i donwload? |
| 17:43.00 | stevedondley | I'm confused, this says lenny is the latest: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/unison |
| 17:43.09 | Wyzard | stevedondley: apt isn't telling you what version you need, it's telling you that's the version it knows about |
| 17:43.43 | sasuke781 | eulex, well i've messed around in bios, reset bios, and even now its running on defaults |
| 17:43.46 | Eulex | stevedondley, lenny and sid has the same version of the package. |
| 17:43.49 | Wyzard | 2.27.57 is a newer version that's in lenny and sid, but not in etch |
| 17:43.50 | stevedondley | right |
| 17:44.04 | Eulex | sasuke781, does it work with other operating systems? |
| 17:44.13 | sasuke781 | eulex, im not sure what to change, this is the first linux install i have done |
| 17:44.17 | stevedondley | i did apt-cache policy union and it told me "Candidate: 2.13.16-5" |
| 17:44.20 | sasuke781 | eulex, yes it does |
| 17:44.22 | Wyzard | lenny and sid also have version 2.13.6 (etch's version) in a separate package ("unison2.13.6") for compatibility with etch systems |
| 17:44.23 | stevedondley | but I shouldignore that |
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| 17:44.35 | sasuke781 | eulex, i had windows running on it for a year |
| 17:44.37 | stevedondley | Wyzard: ah, ok |
| 17:44.47 | Wyzard | stevedondley: that's because your apt only knows about etch packages, because you only have etch deb lines in sources.list |
| 17:44.50 | Eulex | sasuke781, how are you selecting between operating systems? or is this system single-boot? |
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| 17:44.58 | sasuke781 | single boot |
| 17:45.04 | Wyzard | stevedondley: Why are you trying to backport unison, btw? |
| 17:45.19 | stevedondley | wyzard, I want it to work with my mac binaries |
| 17:45.28 | Wyzard | stevedondley: What version are they? |
| 17:45.34 | stevedondley | the latest |
| 17:45.37 | stevedondley | 2.27.57 |
| 17:45.40 | Wyzard | ok |
| 17:46.00 | Wyzard | and the Mac doesn't have an older version available for compatibility like Debian does? |
| 17:46.36 | Eulex | stevedondley, dpkg has given instructions to you on how to backport it. do you have a question about a particular part of them? |
| 17:46.45 | stevedondley | Wyzard: actually, upon further inspection, it looks like it's 2.27.72 on the mac, hmmm |
| 17:47.08 | stevedondley | eulex, no, I'm pretty clear now on what's going on |
| 17:47.09 | stevedondley | thanks |
| 17:47.18 | Wyzard | stevedondley: That's a pretty minor difference; the two are probably compatible |
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| 17:47.34 | stevedondley | Wyzard: yeah, I was thinking the same thing |
| 17:47.39 | sasuke781 | eulex, the lan is the realtek RTL8201CL acording to the site....but it installs a via driver |
| 17:48.01 | stevedondley | let me see if mac has older binary version, I did see an option for that |
| 17:48.10 | LemensTS | How would you run 2 monitors off a laptop if it only has 1 vga port? |
| 17:48.11 | Wyzard | stevedondley: Keep in mind that if you replace your 2.13.16 with 2.27.57, you won't be able to sync with other systems that don't have 2.27.57 (e.g. other etch systems) |
| 17:48.15 | sasuke781 | eulex, for storage it doesnt say...only the number of ports and raid configs are listed |
| 17:48.28 | Wyzard | stevedondley: It'd be preferable to just install the older version on the Mac |
| 17:48.33 | Eulex | sasuke781, as the system doesn't even manage to boot linux I'd say that the nic is pretty irrelevant |
| 17:48.35 | Wyzard | stevedondley: Anyway, I need to get going... good luck with it |
| 17:48.41 | stevedondley | ok, thanks, bro |
| 17:48.44 | stevedondley | you were a big help |
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| 17:49.13 | sasuke781 | eulex, just throwin it out there since i tried the netinstall |
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| 17:50.12 | jayson_r | LemensTS: do you mean in addition to the built-in display? |
| 17:50.25 | stevedondley | crap: E: Build-Depends dependency for unison cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package ocaml-nox can satisfy version requirements |
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| 17:51.06 | LemensTS | jayson_r: yea to have 2 seperate extended desktops. |
| 17:52.25 | jayson_r | LemensTS: at work we purchase a usb vga adapter that allows two monitors in addition to the built in (for a possible total of 3) - not sure about Linux/Debian compatibility though...let me see if I can look it up real quick - we buy them from newegg. |
| 17:52.26 | Eulex | stevedondley, a source package might have a requirement that can't be satisfied in stable. there are two options: either change the files to require a version of the package that is in stable (and hope the package works with it) or backport that package too. |
| 17:52.32 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: it's actually backported already to etch; I can build the amd64 version if you want. |
| 17:53.25 | Eulex | oh, it is? |
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| 17:53.35 | Eulex | indeed it is |
| 17:53.41 | LemensTS | jayson_r: yea thats what i figured, a usb adapter. Thats cool i run windows XP, and bunch of putty sessions for linux |
| 17:53.42 | stevedondley | hey, don! |
| 17:53.44 | stevedondley | hehe |
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| 17:53.50 | leoechevarria | hi everybody |
| 17:53.51 | stevedondley | just trying to figure this out myself |
| 17:54.23 | stevedondley | so, don, let me fill you in where I'm at |
| 17:54.28 | leoechevarria | hey guys, i got ... a problem i think it's with a network configuration, do you think this is the right place to ask? |
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| 17:54.41 | stevedondley | I was following ssb factoid |
| 17:54.55 | stevedondley | got to step 3, apt-get build-dep unison |
| 17:54.59 | LemensTS | leo: is it linux related, then yea |
| 17:55.10 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: and it threw me an error |
| 17:55.16 | leoechevarria | LemensTS: alright ;) |
| 17:55.20 | jayson_r | LemensTS: here's the thing we buy: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815118301 |
| 17:55.32 | jayson_r | works great. |
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| 17:55.36 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: how do I back out of where I am? or should i? |
| 17:55.38 | leoechevarria | i'm working as an administratorn of my school computers |
| 17:55.39 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: yeah, you actually want to start with the backported package, not the sid package. |
| 17:55.52 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: ah |
| 17:55.57 | leoechevarria | we got 8 IBM pcs (celeron D) and 6 hp's (sempron am2) |
| 17:56.21 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: yeah, I saw the backport for 386 |
| 17:56.24 | leoechevarria | the ibm ones are connected via cable to a LG switch |
| 17:56.27 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: I didnt' know you could use that |
| 17:56.37 | LemensTS | jayson_r: thanks i added it to my bookmark to buy |
| 17:56.56 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: so how do I back out? |
| 17:56.56 | leoechevarria | the HP computers are connected via wireless to an SMC wireless access point |
| 17:57.16 | stevedondley | just set my list.sources back to the way it was? |
| 17:57.20 | leoechevarria | a cable modem goes to the access point (router), which is also connected to the switch |
| 17:57.38 | sasuke781 | what is lvm? |
| 17:57.49 | leoechevarria | i tried playing games between the ibm's and the hp's and it worked perfectly, it says they're all in lan |
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| 17:58.07 | LemensTS | sasuke: http://ds9a.nl/lvm-howto/HOWTO/cvs/lvm-howto/output/lvm-howto-2.html |
| 17:58.11 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: you can just remove the source directories that you've got unpacked; then dget -ux http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/u/unison/unison_2.27.57-1~bpo40+1.dsc; then try installing the build dependencies and building it |
| 17:58.31 | unixSnob | I copied all *.deb files from /var/apt/cache/archive (or something like that) to an external drive. Now I've reinstalled debian (64bit this time). I want the new installation to find those .deb files when I install things. Should I copy them to the local /var/apt/cache/archive folder? Or stash them elsewhere, and reference them? |
| 17:58.31 | sasuke781 | thank you |
| 17:58.41 | LemensTS | np |
| 17:58.41 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: 101 question: how do I remove the source directories? |
| 17:58.42 | leoechevarria | the problem is... i mounted an apache server with apt-move in one of the IBM, and just the other IBM's access to it via lan, the hp's get into the server via internet, and it goes very slowly :( |
| 17:58.44 | leoechevarria | any idea? |
| 17:59.14 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: rm -rf union-*; should do it. |
| 17:59.26 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: or whatever they're actually called |
| 17:59.31 | stevedondley | unison |
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| 17:59.48 | stevedondley | where are they kept? rm -rf makes me nervous :) |
| 17:59.53 | LemensTS | leo: are the hp's looking at its wan IP instead of the lan IP? |
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| 18:00.35 | leoechevarria | LemensTS: i'm sorry, don't know what you mean by that |
| 18:00.43 | leoechevarria | i'm argentinean :P |
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| 18:01.57 | LemensTS | leo: why do the hp computers not just look for the apache server on its lan port instead of its wan port? Then they can go locally. If it doesnt have a local nic, i would add one. |
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| 18:02.19 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: the current directory |
| 18:02.33 | leoechevarria | LemensTS: i don't know really, i'm not very used to configuring networks |
| 18:03.01 | LemensTS | leo: if your on an hp, how would you find the Apache server? What ip? |
| 18:03.10 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: hmm, I'm in /etc/apt and I don't see them |
| 18:03.13 | leoechevarria | 192.168.2.100 |
| 18:03.32 | leoechevarria | that's the ip of the ibm i mounted the server on |
| 18:03.33 | LemensTS | leo: thats a local ip so it is going over your lan, it should be fast. |
| 18:03.53 | leoechevarria | the fact is... i don't know if this ip is never going to change |
| 18:03.54 | LemensTS | It isnt routing out to the internet |
| 18:03.54 | kes0 | why shuld i choose debian ? |
| 18:04.00 | leoechevarria | not dynamic... what's the word for that? |
| 18:04.06 | dondelelcaro | !tell kes0 -about why debian |
| 18:04.17 | unixSnob | kes0: because it has good package management |
| 18:04.21 | LemensTS | leo: if its not dynamic its static |
| 18:04.24 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: they'll be in whatever directory you ran apt-get source; in |
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| 18:04.30 | leoechevarria | that one :P |
| 18:04.37 | kes0 | dondelelcaro: i will check =) tanks |
| 18:04.42 | LemensTS | leo: you can set a hostname for it instead of using an IP to find it |
| 18:04.48 | kes0 | unixSnob: kk sounds good to me :) |
| 18:04.56 | stevedondley | how do I get a factoid to show up? |
| 18:04.59 | kes0 | !tell |
| 18:05.01 | LemensTS | leo: then if the ip changes it will still find it by hostname |
| 18:05.11 | stevedondley | !tell dondelelcaro ssb factoid |
| 18:05.13 | unixSnob | kes0: and because you can download a very small netinst disc, and grab everything off the net on an as-needed basis |
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| 18:05.20 | HD|Laptop | hi all |
| 18:05.27 | leoechevarria | LemensTS: if my ISP gives me DHCP connection, and this inet conecction is connected :P to a router, and then to a switch, all the computers will have dynamic ip? |
| 18:05.34 | HD|Laptop | [ 349.463040] IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=192.168.0.170 DST=195.29.149.54 LEN=44 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=9152 PROTO=TCP SPT=2233 DPT=80 WINDOW=17520 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0 |
| 18:05.37 | leoechevarria | LemensTS: oh that's a good idea |
| 18:05.39 | HD|Laptop | this appears in my dmesg |
| 18:05.42 | HD|Laptop | what is this? |
| 18:05.43 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: heh. I know that factoid; I wrote it. ;-) |
| 18:05.44 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: I followed the ssb factoid |
| 18:05.49 | stevedondley | haha |
| 18:05.51 | unixSnob | !tell unixSnob -about why debian |
| 18:06.04 | stevedondley | shit, I'm confused, don |
| 18:06.08 | dondelelcaro | well, I wrote the meat of it |
| 18:06.09 | stevedondley | as usual |
| 18:06.09 | leoechevarria | LemensTS: anyway, it should access to it via lan, don't u think? |
| 18:06.34 | newsense | looks like an http request from a localhost |
| 18:06.37 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: the apt-get -b source packagename; is the key bit; it's what actually downloads the source and tries to build it. |
| 18:06.40 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: so I followed that factoid |
| 18:06.52 | leoechevarria | if it finds the ip, via inet, won't it find the hostname too? |
| 18:06.52 | unixSnob | !tell unixSnob -about how to add external archives |
| 18:06.56 | stevedondley | I didn't get that far |
| 18:07.02 | stevedondley | I only got to step 3 |
| 18:07.07 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: ah; then you're fine. |
| 18:07.22 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: er halfway through 3 |
| 18:07.29 | stevedondley | then I got an error |
| 18:07.31 | unixSnob | !tell |
| 18:07.44 | stevedondley | it unpacked 3 packages g++, etc. |
| 18:07.54 | LemensTS | leo: your ISP will give you a static or dynamic IP. Your router will get assigned that IP. The computers under the router will get internall ip's (liek 192.1.X.X) from it, via DHCP. If your wanting a static public ip, you can get no-ip.com and just use a hostname to find the IP. |
| 18:08.12 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: ok, so I just set my sources.list back to the way it was? |
| 18:08.15 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: you just need to add an etch backports source, and then install the ocaml-nox package, and then you can dget -ux http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/u/unison/unison_2.27.57-1~bpo40+1.dsc; cd union-*; fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 18:08.28 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: nah, you can keep your sources.list that way; it's fine. |
| 18:08.31 | LemensTS | leo: no-ip works on linux, and i think windows too |
| 18:08.42 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: keep it at lenny? ok |
| 18:08.43 | p3rti | hi i'm using apt-mirror to make a mirro r of debian on my pc.. when it download all files it say things about clean directory.. that will be delete all the files that i donwload? |
| 18:09.08 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: damn, don, I have no idea what those commands do |
| 18:09.36 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: if you were a rapper dropping lines like that, you'd be 50 cent |
| 18:09.48 | leoechevarria | LemensTS: i'll read a little more about it, thanks |
| 18:09.50 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: dget downloads the source and unpacks it; the fakeroot bit actually builds the package. |
| 18:10.26 | LemensTS | leo: yea np, im not sure if i explained what you wanted, you gave too much irrelavant information |
| 18:10.54 | HardDisk_WP | what do lines like "[ 349.463040] IN=eth0 OUT=ppp0 SRC=192.168.0.170 DST=195.29.149.54 LEN=44 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=63 ID=9152 PROTO=TCP SPT=2233 DPT=80 WINDOW=17520 RES=0x00 SYN URGP=0" in dmesg mean? |
| 18:10.57 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: probably just easier to have you do it at this point |
| 18:11.02 | HardDisk_WP | they appear since i upgraded my kernel |
| 18:11.13 | leoechevarria | LemensTS: yeah, i'm sorry, i know it's meanless to say i'm the administrator of my school's computers :p |
| 18:11.16 | stevedondley | I could learn it but 6 moths from now, I'd forget it all |
| 18:11.27 | leoechevarria | anyway i'll read more because i didn't get it |
| 18:11.35 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: ok; wget http://rzlab.ucr.edu/debian/unison_2.27.57-1~bpo40+1_amd64.deb; dpkg -i unison_2.27.57-1~bpo40+1_amd64.deb; or similar. |
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| 18:12.32 | dondelelcaro | (I didn't test that at all though, so it may require a rebuild. [There's a versioned dependency on ocaml which didn't actually look to be required... but it may end up being necessary.]) |
| 18:12.43 | kes0 | unixSnob: i will install now |
| 18:12.50 | kes0 | unixSnob: bbl later |
| 18:13.03 | kes0 | ;P |
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| 18:14.46 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: ok, I think I'd much rather have you do this, I've been research this for like 2 hours, it's just not efficient for me anymore, sounds like it's going to take another 2 hours adn I'm behind in client work |
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| 18:15.53 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: ok; you can just run those two commands and the server should be installed, though. |
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| 18:16.16 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: ok, hold on, got to help the wife with something |
| 18:16.24 | d0uglas | hey now. so can xinerama and/or twinview handle more than two monitors? |
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| 18:17.35 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: xinerama yes; however, twinview isn't an X thing, it's a nvidia thing |
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| 18:20.10 | hedos | Hello. I just installed the windows ttf fonts package, but I don't know where the fonts were installed. Any idea? |
| 18:21.09 | wols | hedos: dpkg -L <package> |
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| 18:21.37 | hedos | Great, thanks wols. |
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| 18:21.48 | maligor | they should all be in /usr/share/fonts |
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| 18:22.16 | extor | This is disgusting...my syslog logs only go back 1 week? How could the debian scripts be so shortsighted! :( |
| 18:22.36 | maligor | the microsoft package doesn't list the fonts in the package since they aren't in the package itself |
| 18:22.43 | jelly-home | extor: how could an admin be so shortsighted not to check the defaults! |
| 18:23.01 | extor | jelly, cuz I assumed better admins than myself set the defaults! |
| 18:23.25 | jelly-home | now you know better |
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| 18:23.35 | cahoot | extor: seems like 4w here |
| 18:23.57 | dondelelcaro | most of them are weekly with four kept, but some are daily with 7 kept. |
| 18:24.08 | extor | I have 7 keps |
| 18:24.30 | dondelelcaro | depends on the log file |
| 18:24.31 | extor | I had a nasty crash on the 18th and was just going to pore through my logs :( |
| 18:25.22 | d0uglas | dondelelcaro: but let's pretend i had a lot of money and wanted to set up a four-headed system. if i went xinerama and ati, wouldn't that take more resources to do what twinview would otherwise handle on some kind of hardware end? or do both operate similarly and not take advantage of some component of the hardware of these multi-headed cards to pump out multiple screens? |
| 18:26.11 | dondelelcaro | d0uglas: twinview doesn't do anything magical. |
| 18:26.29 | maligor | ati uses a similiar system to twinview |
| 18:26.39 | maligor | and neither supports 4 heads afaik |
| 18:26.55 | dondelelcaro | not internally, but you can use four heads. |
| 18:27.09 | dondelelcaro | there's no real limit to the maximum number of heads, actually. |
| 18:27.16 | d0uglas | ... but in Criminal Minds, FBI analyst Penelope Garcia, who uses "Linux OS," has by my count a ten headed system |
| 18:27.32 | d0uglas | ... of multiple resolutions no less |
| 18:27.37 | maligor | d0uglas, and? |
| 18:27.43 | maligor | that's not a problem |
| 18:27.46 | d0uglas | and nothing i'm just being stupid |
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| 18:28.11 | maligor | mostly the problem is finding a system with enough slots for vga cards |
| 18:28.15 | extor | What was Criminal Minds about and does it mention linux a lot? |
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| 18:28.29 | cusco | hi |
| 18:28.51 | d0uglas | the most recent one, s3e20, about terrorists in new york |
| 18:29.10 | maligor | did it give them an edge over the criminals? |
| 18:29.39 | d0uglas | actually the criminals "hacked into the cameras" and the episode ended.. well nevermind |
| 18:29.45 | extor | Is CM a good show? |
| 18:29.50 | d0uglas | absolutely |
| 18:30.09 | maligor | the terrorists must've been using windows, because it gives them super hacking ability ;) |
| 18:30.12 | extor | I used to watch numb3rs until their usage of math leveled off and the whole show turned into rubbish |
| 18:30.31 | d0uglas | maligor: you can't run AOHell on wine? jeez |
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| 18:31.07 | maligor | but anyway, I don't think there's anything to stop you from using a 10 head system |
| 18:31.41 | jelly-home | except the budget |
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| 18:31.59 | maligor | 8 heads might even be relatively cheap, since I seem to remember there being 4x pci-e 16x slot mbs |
| 18:32.12 | d0uglas | i guess if it came down to it i could buy eleven machines, one really fast that ran x and vnc ten times and the other as clients |
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| 18:32.59 | asg | d0uglas: or connect each machine to its own monitor and use synergy |
| 18:33.04 | maligor | Skulltrail has 4 pci-e 16x it seems |
| 18:33.22 | d0uglas | +1 informative, asg |
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| 18:35.11 | d0uglas | just thought i'd mention parenthetically that my mother, who barely knows how to work the television, has been happily using a debian laptop i set up for her two years ago without needing to call me for help once |
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| 18:35.37 | soulchild | I used dd to clone my system partition to another drive, but since the drive was bigger, I got also the partition size info cloned,... how can i fix this ? |
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| 18:36.09 | yacc_ | hadoop@ec2-67-202-58-97:~/src/logs/scripts$ apt-cache search postfix |
| 18:36.09 | yacc_ | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc' |
| 18:36.09 | yacc_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:36.11 | d0uglas | well maybe a couple times |
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| 18:36.33 | Sophist | hi |
| 18:37.01 | Sophist | apt-get upgraded a program and i want come back to the previous version because it has some error |
| 18:37.09 | Sophist | can i do it with aptget or aptitude? |
| 18:37.16 | d0uglas | good luck with all that |
| 18:37.21 | enouf | d0uglas: i was going to say - maybe she just had someone install xp and didn't tell you :-P |
| 18:37.32 | Sophist | i tried to find the package searching at package.debian.org but there is only the last one |
| 18:37.43 | asg | Sophist: get the previous package from snapshot.debian.net |
| 18:38.16 | Sophist | is it a new repository right? |
| 18:38.17 | d0uglas | touche - no really she is in love with it. when she was using windows i had no peace, always had to go over and clean it up |
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| 18:38.32 | d0uglas | with debian i didn't even bother to teach her how to reboot |
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| 18:38.41 | asg | Sophist: no, it's been around for many many years |
| 18:38.53 | d0uglas | except control alt backspace a few times to get superkaramba working again |
| 18:38.56 | Sophist | i mean a new repository in my sources.list |
| 18:39.10 | asg | Sophist: it can be or you can just download the package and 'dpkg -i' it |
| 18:39.13 | lxsameer | how does know a resource of linux video training that be free ? |
| 18:39.39 | hedos | Hello. I installed the msttcorefonts package, but it doesn't contain all windows xp fonts (such as tohama). Is there any other package that would have all the fonts? |
| 18:39.59 | jelly-home | hedos: tahoma isn't really free |
| 18:40.15 | d0uglas | Sophist: just in case this applies to you, in my experience here, when needing help fixing apt problems, it is best to categorically deny using testing or experimental if asked |
| 18:40.16 | maligor | hedos, it only contains fonts microsoft released for free distribution |
| 18:40.26 | hedos | Oh, I see, thanks guys. |
| 18:40.36 | maligor | very useful fonts tho |
| 18:40.59 | enouf | d0uglas: that only prolongs the issue, and annoys the helpers, like us .. not a good strategy ;-) |
| 18:41.08 | jelly-home | ISTR a word viewer or excel viewer download containing tahoma |
| 18:41.16 | d0uglas | woosh :P |
| 18:41.29 | enouf | tahoma is a tracking font |
| 18:41.32 | enouf | hides |
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| 18:45.47 | c0d3-r3d | is there a way how i can update my debian without downloading a new cd? |
| 18:46.15 | leoechevarria | c0d3-r3d: do you mean doing a distro update? |
| 18:46.56 | leoechevarria | from etch to lenny, or something like that? |
| 18:46.59 | hedos | How can I disable the gnome manager and have the computer start with a console command prompt for login? |
| 18:47.28 | leoechevarria | hedos |
| 18:47.33 | leoechevarria | do this like root |
| 18:47.42 | leoechevarria | update-rc.d -f gdm remove |
| 18:47.52 | leoechevarria | *do this as root |
| 18:48.03 | leoechevarria | it will remove gdm session from the system start |
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| 18:48.24 | hedos | Sounds good, thanks leoechevarria. |
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| 18:49.09 | leoechevarria | hedos, if you want to start gnome after that, login and then make 'startx' |
| 18:49.23 | c0d3-r3d | ya leo so i can get the new kernel |
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| 18:49.43 | leoechevarria | c0d3-r3d: what are you using? etch? |
| 18:49.49 | hedos | leoechevarria, I'd like to configure "startx" such that kde would be directly loaded, actually. |
| 18:50.07 | tehbatman | I'm curious...how can one opto-isolate server components from the power source? |
| 18:50.17 | d0uglas | All you need to do is have the grid power feed some high wattage light bulbs. And near the light bulbs is some solar cells. The output from the solar cells is used to charge batteries which feed an inverter that actually powers the computer. Of course there is some power loss in the conversion process, and you need to have some (ok, a lot), of the input power to the system commited towards running a cooling unit to keep things at a reasonable temperature. |
| 18:50.27 | d0uglas | But the resulting device provides clean power with no possibility of any surges getting thru to the protected equipment. |
| 18:50.48 | d0uglas | Of course, if you go to this level of trouble for your power source, then I'd also suggest opto-isolating all signal lines to and from the server. And enclose the server in a well grounded faraday cage. And it wouldn't be a bad idea to have a dedicated comm link to a duplicate server located elsewhere. Preferably on a different tectonic plate. |
| 18:50.59 | hedos | I have a question. I have a file /usr/bin/startx and a file /usr/bin/X11/startx, and both paths are in $PATH. Why is that? Isn't it a bit confusing, as you have to make sure you edit the file whose path is listed first in $PATH? |
| 18:51.03 | d0uglas | ftw |
| 18:51.29 | d0uglas | tks d0uglas |
| 18:51.47 | leoechevarria | hedos: ehmmm there's a config file for that, i think it's .xinitrc |
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| 18:52.11 | hedos | leoechevarria, what for? to start up KDE? |
| 18:52.13 | leoechevarria | you could google about it, or ask someone else, i don't really know 'cos i still use gdm :( |
| 18:52.23 | hedos | Ok, thanks for the help. |
| 18:52.25 | leoechevarria | hedos: to configure startx, yeah |
| 18:52.31 | leoechevarria | hedos: you're welcome ;) |
| 18:52.42 | tehbatman | leoechevarria: i dont know what that means but doesn't douglas's answer make the most sense? |
| 18:52.53 | asg | hedos: .xsession is the preferred file these days |
| 18:53.20 | leoechevarria | tehbatman: explain yourself :p |
| 18:53.31 | hedos | asg: So I could modify .xsession without having to change startx in anyway in order to load KDE from startx? |
| 18:53.48 | asg | hedos: yes |
| 18:53.59 | asg | hedos: /msg dpkg .xsession |
| 18:54.00 | leoechevarria | well, anyway |
| 18:54.01 | leoechevarria | g2g |
| 18:54.05 | leoechevarria | cya people! |
| 18:54.08 | d0uglas | well gdm has not proven itself to be the most stable desktop manager for running the applications used to monitor the carbon filament life in the bulbs but i guess it would work |
| 18:54.08 | hedos | bye |
| 18:54.08 | leoechevarria | thanks for all your help! |
| 18:54.26 | tehbatman | so kdm ftw? |
| 18:54.31 | d0uglas | console ftw. |
| 18:54.54 | c0d3-r3d | im not sure leo |
| 18:55.05 | c0d3-r3d | its on a p3 lol |
| 18:56.23 | hedos | asg: Thanks for the help, that's what I was looking for. |
| 18:56.37 | asg | hedos: you're welcome |
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| 18:57.01 | Sophist | thanks to all |
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| 18:57.54 | norton- | Which of the suspend-to-disk alternatives does as default when echoing 4 to /proc/acpi/sleep? |
| 18:58.04 | norton- | *does Debian use as |
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| 19:02.36 | d0uglas | tehbatman: IANAL but the Federal govt only has banned civilian use of cell phone jammers but not faraday cages -- though if someone who patronized your theater got cancer and found the right lawyer, he could probably convince a civil jury that your cage, unless you advised people beforehand, may or may not give them cancer, makes you liable - in which case i'd advise trying to settle the suit before trial (even though the cage if anything would shield people |
| 19:02.38 | tehbatman | d0uglas: speaking of faraday cages, one other question, i own a movie theater but people keep forgetting to turn their phones off and it's really irritating to my customers. is it illegal in the US to send a charge through the steel that reenforces the concrete in the walls and ceiling to curb this problem? |
| 19:03.03 | mmlj4 | *KZERT* |
| 19:03.03 | tehbatman | ping? |
| 19:03.05 | d0uglas | pong! |
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| 19:03.15 | d0uglas | hmm. |
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| 19:03.39 | maligor | curious, I seem to have gotten the answer before the question |
| 19:03.49 | maligor | never seen that happen before in irc |
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| 19:04.00 | Yarcanox | my debian sys on a vserver by some company doesn't receive UDP packages. that might be a routing issue, but could be something on the server configuration aswell |
| 19:04.01 | tehbatman | i'm bittorrenting like crazy |
| 19:04.08 | Yarcanox | where would I search for an option which UDP packages to sendoff? |
| 19:04.14 | Mallxs | Hi, my /dev/cdrom goes back to rw-rw mode after a reboot .. where can i change this ? |
| 19:04.15 | Yarcanox | or if UDP packages are being sent off or not? |
| 19:04.24 | tehbatman | faster than light and it is interfering with the time space continuium |
| 19:04.28 | jelly-home | maligor: #debian ... mind reading for your convenience |
| 19:04.28 | mmlj4 | routing issue? sounds like layer 4 instead |
| 19:04.39 | Yarcanox | like.. w00t? |
| 19:04.40 | asg | Yarcanox: tcpdump will tell you if packets are sent or received from the box |
| 19:04.44 | Yarcanox | ok |
| 19:04.59 | Yarcanox | hum has many command line options =P |
| 19:05.01 | hsuj | Hey how do i automatically skip the stupid ctrl-D maintenance after a crash? |
| 19:05.02 | maligor | tehbatman, you could install a 1 MW laser and make it home on cellphone frequencies.. you just need sensors for triangulation |
| 19:05.11 | Yarcanox | what would be a good tcpdump-cmdline to test for UDP packages? |
| 19:05.32 | asg | Yarcanox: tcpdump -n -i ethX host <ip of other machine> (should get you going) |
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| 19:05.45 | Yarcanox | hm asg from every machine if that's possible |
| 19:05.50 | Yarcanox | I want to know if it's receiving UDP packages at all |
| 19:06.06 | d0uglas | that would be prohibitively expensive -- though i still wouldn't recommend any of this as some of the movie-goers may be doctors and if you block an emergency call which results in someone dying, .. |
| 19:06.23 | jelly-home | !ops d0uglas speaking with himself |
| 19:06.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jelly-home complains about: d0uglas speaking with himself |
| 19:06.27 | d0uglas | and the word "laser" is more inflamatory in a court |
| 19:06.49 | d0uglas | particularly lasers whose power is measured in milli* |
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| 19:07.10 | asg | Yarcanox: then remove <ip of other machine> and replace it with 'proto udp' |
| 19:07.16 | jelly-home | while vaguely amusing, your escapades might be better placed in #debian-offtopic, d0uglas |
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| 19:07.38 | LoRez | interesting timing. |
| 19:07.42 | asg | hah |
| 19:07.46 | jelly-home | thanks! |
| 19:08.36 | asg | hsuj: run the fsck as instructed, you'll thank us later. |
| 19:09.12 | hsuj | well hard to do on a remote machine |
| 19:10.00 | asg | hsuj: if you can see the ctrl-D maintenance message, you can run fsck |
| 19:10.17 | Mallxs | Hi, my /dev/cdrom goes back to rw-rw mode after a reboot .. where can i change this ? is that in the init.d ? |
| 19:10.49 | Mallxs | Or is there something special for ? |
| 19:11.03 | asg | Mallxs: what are you trying to do such that you need to change the permissions on /dev/cdrom? |
| 19:11.08 | hsuj | the network is not yet up at this stage of startup |
| 19:11.44 | Mallxs | asg: to access it from my user account desktop |
| 19:11.55 | asg | Mallxs: add your user to the cdrom group |
| 19:12.01 | Mallxs | A thx |
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| 19:12.45 | Yarcanox | asg the UDP packages seem to arrive |
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| 19:12.51 | c0d3-r3d | is this the one ineed for a network install ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/alpha/iso-cd/debian-40r3-alpha-netinst.iso |
| 19:12.55 | Yarcanox | I have an application listening on 127.0.0.1 which can send to itself wonderfully |
| 19:12.59 | Yarcanox | but it doesn't get those packages |
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| 19:13.22 | Yarcanox | I already tried to bind to the public server ip which works fine for tcp/ip, but on UDP, this doesn't seem to work (binding fails) |
| 19:13.27 | Yarcanox | I can only bind to 127.0.0.1 there |
| 19:13.36 | Yarcanox | and then I don't receive the packages apparently |
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| 19:14.35 | asg | Yarcanox: if you can't get it to bind on anything other than localhost, you can redirect external ports to that daemon with iptables. Ask #iptables for more info. |
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| 19:15.21 | jelly-home | asg: actually, you can't route to "lo" with REDIRECT. |
| 19:15.50 | jelly-home | asg: I had to use userspace for that. |
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| 19:16.31 | asg | jelly-home: hmmm, that's silly. I can't imagine why you can't. |
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| 19:17.09 | valdyn | jelly-home: whats the point? |
| 19:17.24 | asg | jelly-home: you could also do it with inetd |
| 19:17.38 | jelly-home | asg: that's userspace. |
| 19:17.59 | asg | ? |
| 19:18.42 | valdyn | Yarcanox: you cant bind to 0.0.0.0 ? |
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| 19:18.49 | jelly-home | inetd, redir, whatever, it's all a separate app that listens to some outside traffic and sends to 127.0.0.1 listening service |
| 19:18.55 | Yarcanox | oh hm |
| 19:18.59 | Yarcanox | valdyn haven't tried, sec |
| 19:19.13 | asg | jelly-home: yes, that's the point |
| 19:19.43 | Mallxs | asg: thx that also fixed my sound problem .... should'nt this be in the adduser script ? |
| 19:20.12 | jelly-home | asg: it's being done that way now, but it took some hours to figure out it can't be done w/ iptables at all |
| 19:20.18 | asg | Mallxs: it is but you are the admin so you get to make the choices of which groups people go into. (adduser <user> <group>) |
| 19:20.25 | valdyn | Mallxs: debian does not give such permissions to users by default, that is all |
| 19:20.30 | valdyn | Mallxs: you are free to change that |
| 19:20.38 | Mallxs | yep |
| 19:20.39 | Yarcanox | valdyn that worked |
| 19:20.44 | Yarcanox | sadly the program is still not receiving the packages |
| 19:21.02 | valdyn | Yarcanox: tell us the program and the error messages? |
| 19:21.05 | Yarcanox | but it's still able to send to itself and receive that |
| 19:21.11 | Yarcanox | program is my own C code :) |
| 19:21.13 | jelly-home | Yarcanox: "packets", btw |
| 19:21.22 | Yarcanox | ah thanks jelly-home :) |
| 19:21.33 | Yarcanox | so.. it just receives only the stuff it sends to itself to 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:21.38 | jelly-home | Yarcanox: do you have a copy of Stevens nearby? :-) |
| 19:21.50 | Yarcanox | of what? huh |
| 19:21.50 | bolt | one of my machines print "localhost" as its hostname in the system logs. /etc/hostname is correct. why is it doing this? I want the hostname there |
| 19:21.52 | HardDisk_WP | how do I tar an folder? |
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| 19:22.10 | hedos | Hello. How can I disable beep everywhere? I figured out how to disable them for the console, but applications such as emacs still beep. |
| 19:22.18 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: by following the instructions in the manpage |
| 19:22.21 | Yarcanox | HardDisk_WP "man tar" will surely help :) |
| 19:22.39 | cahoot | hedos: blacklist pcspkr? |
| 19:23.06 | Yarcanox | HardDisk_WP on the manpage are three or four easy examples how to compress something to an archive |
| 19:23.06 | hedos | cahoot, what does that mean? |
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| 19:23.06 | Yarcanox | not hard to miss |
| 19:23.07 | HardDisk_WP | AHA, i missed f |
| 19:23.15 | HardDisk_WP | *argh* |
| 19:23.18 | Corwin | blacklist pcspkr works for me, put it in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 19:23.24 | HardDisk_WP | i ALWAYS forget this bloody thing |
| 19:23.26 | enouf | Mallxs: /dev/cdrom is usually a symlink to /dev/[sh][dr][0-9a-z] ;-) |
| 19:23.29 | jelly-home | Yarcanox: "UNIX Network Programming" by W. Richard Stevens |
| 19:23.48 | Yarcanox | no sorry jelly-home |
| 19:24.03 | cahoot | hedos: pcspkr is the module/driver for the 'beep' |
| 19:24.11 | Yarcanox | wouldn't buy an English book I think :) |
| 19:24.34 | jelly-home | Yarcanox: if you're doing network apps in C, that's the classic |
| 19:24.42 | Mallxs | enouf: i have seen that .. and group is cdrom as asg pointed to me ... thx |
| 19:24.45 | hedos | cahoot, ok. What about blacklisting it? |
| 19:24.46 | Yarcanox | hum well, if you say so |
| 19:25.08 | enouf | Mallxs: my point is symlinks are always lrwxrwxrwx |
| 19:25.08 | cahoot | hedos: try the info in /msg dpkg blacklidt |
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| 19:25.20 | cahoot | hedos: err - /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 19:25.30 | Mallxs | enouf : ok got it |
| 19:25.41 | hedos | cahoot, thanks |
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| 19:25.52 | enouf | hedos: modprobe -r pcspkr ; echo "blacklist pcspkr" >> /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 19:26.17 | cahoot | and the initramfs? |
| 19:26.26 | enouf | not an issue for me ;-) never was |
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| 19:26.34 | cahoot | ok |
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| 19:26.52 | bolt | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 19:26.53 | dpkg | i guess blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 19:27.40 | Mallxs | Now i tried to change 'sound juicer' to rip to mp3 .. but the edited profile does not showup in the 'Output format' ?? |
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| 19:27.54 | Mallxs | is this a knowen bug ? |
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| 19:28.20 | enouf | i don't know sound juicer, but do you have lame or any mp3 encoder support? |
| 19:28.37 | enouf | i don't know what a profile is either |
| 19:28.47 | Coweater | Mallxs: it removed the existing profile after you edited it? |
| 19:28.56 | bolt | i've had problems with that. just do it to make sure :) |
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| 19:30.21 | bolt | I have a problem here. A laptop with dynamic IP prevents me from adding a correct entry to /etc/hosts, because the IP will always change, sometimes on several occations without a reboot. Having no correct entry in /etc/hosts causes syslog to log all entries as coming from "localhost" instead of the hostname. Is there a way to remedy this? |
| 19:30.31 | Mallxs | Coweater: all the profiles are in the edit list ... even if a change an existing profile it will not show after the edit ! |
| 19:31.04 | valdyn | bolt: you can map 127.0.0.1 to your hostname too |
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| 19:31.06 | eth01 | bolt: can't your ISP provision you with a static IP address? |
| 19:31.50 | asg | bolt: you could probably just add your hostname to the 127.0.0.1 entry in /etc/hosts and make 'localhost' an alias |
| 19:32.14 | valdyn | but i would have thought that syslog uses /etc/hostname |
| 19:32.20 | valdyn | but who knows.. |
| 19:32.31 | eth01 | won't work very well |
| 19:32.33 | eth01 | nice logic tho |
| 19:32.53 | eth01 | you can do it if you run a local DNS server and A name 127.0.0.1 with dyndns or something |
| 19:32.57 | eth01 | takes a little bit of work tho |
| 19:32.58 | jelly-home | bolt: why is it a problem anyway, do you send it to a remote syslog server? |
| 19:33.13 | eth01 | (which explictly support DYNAMIC ip address changes) |
| 19:33.30 | Nyle | hello |
| 19:33.43 | eth01 | almost clustered in a sense |
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| 19:33.58 | enouf | welcome menudo |
| 19:34.01 | enouf | :-p |
| 19:34.06 | Nyle | menudo? |
| 19:34.12 | eth01 | my surname enouf |
| 19:34.14 | eth01 | od |
| 19:34.15 | eth01 | odd * |
| 19:34.15 | asg | enouf: at least you didn't say sussudio |
| 19:34.25 | jelly-home | !sing sussudio |
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| 19:34.25 | dpkg | sings "Su, su, sudio...Su, su, sussudio" |
| 19:34.27 | enouf | :-heh |
| 19:34.29 | eth01 | well, not surname, let's say it's one of 7 names :-) |
| 19:34.40 | eth01 | my * |
| 19:34.40 | Nyle | you have 7 names long name? |
| 19:34.47 | Nyle | thats fucking crazy |
| 19:34.48 | asg | eth01: probably easier if you downsize |
| 19:35.02 | eth01 | yeah, thomas a-d b s m m****k |
| 19:35.06 | eth01 | yeah, thomas a-d b s m m****y * |
| 19:35.15 | enouf | mommy ? |
| 19:35.16 | jelly-home | , Esq. |
| 19:35.31 | bolt | eth01: I tend to move my portable computer out of my house sometimes... Weird, I know, but it's been known to happen. My ISP refuses to hire a guy to follow me around :) |
| 19:35.34 | asg | eth01: didn't seen an enouf in there |
| 19:35.37 | bolt | valdyn, asg: ah. "127.0.0.1 <hostname> localhost" then? |
| 19:35.41 | bolt | valdyn: yeah. it should. it's probably for remote logging purposes though |
| 19:35.48 | eth01 | asg: er, initials? oh please. english! |
| 19:35.50 | asg | bolt: worth a shot |
| 19:35.51 | valdyn | bolt: or reverse the 2 names |
| 19:35.57 | Nyle | hey tools |
| 19:36.06 | asg | eth01: can we just call you Bruce to keep things clear? |
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| 19:36.21 | eth01 | bolt: is this adsl or cable you're on? |
| 19:36.42 | eth01 | asg: eth01 or tom hah |
| 19:36.49 | asg | touche |
| 19:36.56 | eth01 | gut |
| 19:36.58 | Nyle | tushy |
| 19:37.03 | valdyn | hah, indeed, syslogd just reads /etc/hosts |
| 19:37.04 | Nyle | :D |
| 19:37.09 | valdyn | that sucks |
| 19:37.11 | Nyle | big nice round fat tushy |
| 19:37.17 | Nyle | rotund |
| 19:37.24 | asg | Nyle: ... and you cannot lie |
| 19:37.30 | Nyle | thas right |
| 19:37.39 | Nyle | you other brothas can't deny |
| 19:37.41 | eth01 | i'm not sure what to do with this server hm |
| 19:37.45 | eth01 | -.- |
| 19:37.49 | mmlj4 | bolt: hasn't anyone told that it's bad to irc as root? |
| 19:38.02 | Nyle | its ok to irc as root |
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| 19:38.10 | Nyle | whats the worst that can happen |
| 19:38.14 | mmlj4 | heh |
| 19:38.18 | Nyle | you maybe have to reinstall? |
| 19:38.20 | Nyle | so what? |
| 19:38.22 | asg | Nyle: he could get the clap |
| 19:38.32 | jelly-home | that would suck |
| 19:38.36 | Nyle | shit man |
| 19:38.39 | Nyle | thas nasty |
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| 19:38.41 | cusco | bling |
| 19:38.51 | eth01 | what |
| 19:38.58 | cusco | hello |
| 19:39.03 | Nyle | hi |
| 19:39.07 | eth01 | cusco can't you afford real broadband |
| 19:39.12 | Nyle | lol |
| 19:39.20 | eth01 | through Virgin Medias advanced fibre optic network?! |
| 19:39.22 | hoxu | "hers" "virgin"? |
| 19:39.24 | Nyle | i didn't know there was a 'fake' broadband |
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| 19:39.38 | eth01 | hoxu: where the ubr for 18470 is located |
| 19:40.02 | cusco | eth01: I am just about to request my MAC code to change it.. looks like you're reading my future or something :p |
| 19:40.22 | Nyle | yeh |
| 19:40.24 | cusco | it was the cheapest dsl option |
| 19:40.25 | Nyle | hes like very much psycho |
| 19:40.28 | Nyle | he can see into things |
| 19:40.36 | Nyle | no |
| 19:40.37 | Nyle | psychic |
| 19:40.42 | asg | !enter |
| 19:40.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 19:40.47 | c0d3-r3d | debian gives me an error when trying to install from an old cd :( |
| 19:40.48 | mordy_ | hehe, fake broadband is when your upstream is like 100kbits :( |
| 19:40.48 | Nyle | which one is it? the one who can read minds? |
| 19:40.55 | eth01 | cusco: your ubr is overloaded anyway, so it'll always be the same |
| 19:41.01 | Nyle | psychic |
| 19:41.12 | asg | c0d3-r3d: have you tried a new cd? |
| 19:41.14 | Nyle | !whack asg |
| 19:41.14 | dpkg | whacks asg with a big sledgehammer |
| 19:41.18 | eth01 | cusco: and, hardly any customers in your area have virgin adsl for this internet connection -- so it wouldn't be feasable |
| 19:41.24 | eth01 | their, even |
| 19:41.28 | Nyle | my dsl is slutty |
| 19:41.32 | bolt | jelly-home: nope. it's just that these kinds of things tend to get on my nerves. i do, on occation, have logs from many different machines on my screen, and it's nice to easily see which machine they're from |
| 19:41.35 | eth01 | feasible, even |
| 19:41.38 | eth01 | bloody spelling mistakes |
| 19:41.50 | c0d3-r3d | i only have one cd lol |
| 19:41.53 | cusco | eth01: what is ubr? |
| 19:42.07 | Nyle | c0d3-r3d, do you have a os on the comptuer already? |
| 19:42.19 | eth01 | cusco: typically it's a clustered group of servers which route connectivity between the hubs |
| 19:42.20 | c0d3-r3d | was gentoo but it crashed yesterday :( |
| 19:42.21 | Nyle | you don't HAVE to use a cd to install you know.... |
| 19:42.38 | cusco | eth01: cable doesn't get here :( - its a shame! I used to have VM cable before I moved |
| 19:42.39 | eth01 | cusco: it's docsis terminology tbh :-) |
| 19:42.40 | mordy_ | netinstall sucks |
| 19:42.50 | cusco | very good service, I must say |
| 19:42.50 | Nyle | there is hd-media |
| 19:42.52 | eth01 | cusco: be is your friend |
| 19:42.54 | c0d3-r3d | i did the netinstall too and it was giving me problems |
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| 19:43.04 | c0d3-r3d | ssh wasnt even there |
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| 19:43.09 | Nyle | c0d3-r3d, what problems? Please be more specific |
| 19:43.09 | asg | mordy_: no it doesn't |
| 19:43.16 | Nyle | c0d3-r3d, you need to read the debian install guide |
| 19:43.19 | cusco | eth01: how did you know? be was "JUST" made available to my zone last week |
| 19:43.20 | Nyle | !tell c0d3-r3d -about ig |
| 19:43.20 | c0d3-r3d | just said things about packs |
| 19:43.30 | mordy_ | asg, when your internet connection is bad, it sucks :D |
| 19:43.32 | Nyle | chapters 4,5 |
| 19:43.33 | eth01 | cusco: why? :) |
| 19:43.33 | c0d3-r3d | like the packages couldnt be added |
| 19:43.35 | cusco | do you have a crystal ball? |
| 19:44.04 | asg | mordy_: then get a better one or jip some free wireless from McDonalds. |
| 19:44.21 | cusco | I am reading options to terminate VM contract without paying the fee for early leaving |
| 19:44.39 | eth01 | cusco: nur-uh. i'm at the top for telewest |
| 19:44.42 | cusco | looks like I must fill a complaint with ispa |
| 19:44.44 | peppe | a gnome text editor like kate? |
| 19:45.10 | Nyle | gedit |
| 19:45.18 | mordy_ | !editor war |
| 19:45.19 | dpkg | methinks editor war is when people start talking all sorts of emotional bullshit while trying to prove superiority of the editor of their choice |
| 19:45.21 | Nyle | or mousepad |
| 19:45.31 | Nyle | nedit is nice |
| 19:45.33 | bolt | valdyn: what's weird, however, is that my other laptop has the exact same hosts file (given with a different hostname), and it prints its hostname in syslog. |
| 19:45.36 | eth01 | cusco: had a look over your account, so i can see your available options and tbh bethere looks the most promising in regards to latency and bandwidth provisioning |
| 19:45.39 | cusco | gedit is default in gnome |
| 19:45.48 | Nyle | gedit sucks, kate is better |
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| 19:46.22 | cusco | eth01: yes... that looked the same to me |
| 19:46.29 | mordy_ | nano is nice, but i wish there was something similar to a gui editor, in regards to retaining the same GUI keys - i.e. ctl-arrow, ctl-c, v, x etc. |
| 19:46.37 | cusco | what is "ubr" ? |
| 19:46.38 | c0d3-r3d | is there a different thing that i can use besides netinstall? |
| 19:46.39 | eth01 | nano imo |
| 19:46.47 | eth01 | cusco: yup |
| 19:47.02 | eth01 | cusco: does anybody else on your street want cable tho? |
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| 19:47.27 | cusco | eth01: yes! |
| 19:47.41 | eth01 | cusco: so if i get somebody out next week to take a look? |
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| 19:47.53 | cusco | when we moved, everybody was in trouble. BT took 4 months to give us a phone line |
| 19:48.05 | cusco | then the internet connection is slow |
| 19:48.13 | cusco | eth01: what do you mean by take a look? |
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| 19:48.39 | eth01 | cusco: i'll get somebody from site conveyence dept to look at expanding connectivity to your locale |
| 19:48.54 | c0d3-r3d | is there a different thing that i can use besides netinstall? |
| 19:48.58 | Nyle | rahul, ping |
| 19:49.05 | Nyle | rahul, asshole |
| 19:49.09 | cusco | hmm any effort in order to get cable sounds good to me |
| 19:49.10 | Nyle | I mean.. ping |
| 19:49.14 | Nyle | sorry that was a typo |
| 19:49.24 | eth01 | cusco: we need at least 4-5 customers who want it tho. |
| 19:49.26 | peppe | well, that's not for me. I use vim, and gedit isn't comparable to kate |
| 19:49.30 | eth01 | otherwise it'll be 25k down the drain :-) |
| 19:49.30 | asg | Nyle: left side not talking to the right side eh? |
| 19:49.42 | Nyle | asg, ;) |
| 19:49.48 | cusco | ok I know my neighbour would want it |
| 19:49.50 | c0d3-r3d | OMG isnt aplah 386? |
| 19:49.53 | eth01 | or something like that, depending how much macalpine contractors charge |
| 19:49.54 | mordy_ | c0dr-r3d - either CD install (and its derivatives, i.e. HD media, floppy) or netinstall |
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| 19:50.34 | cusco | eth01: then I see some sky-wireless-routers.. I guess they woudln't but you never know |
| 19:51.14 | eth01 | eh |
| 19:51.23 | cusco | I think that you should get somebody here if you could |
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| 19:51.54 | cusco | is telewest cable same as vergin media cable? |
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| 19:52.05 | eth01 | same thing. ntltelewest |
| 19:52.13 | eth01 | i will, next week sometime |
| 19:52.17 | cusco | does that mean 50Mbps |
| 19:52.18 | cusco | ? |
| 19:52.20 | eth01 | no |
| 19:52.25 | cusco | 20? |
| 19:52.50 | cusco | I mean.. up to 20 |
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| 19:53.06 | eth01 | 20 by package, 89mbps when manually configured to do so |
| 19:53.08 | eth01 | ;) |
| 19:53.21 | cusco | is that so? |
| 19:53.24 | soulchild | @ALL: what's the best way to copy my whole debian system to a different partition ? |
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| 19:53.37 | cusco | what would one need to cut such deal? |
| 19:53.49 | mordy_ | money? |
| 19:53.52 | eth01 | cusco: thats what i'm saying, you can't. |
| 19:54.09 | eth01 | you can if i were to force your CM with a bespoke .cm |
| 19:54.11 | cusco | th you could interfer :P |
| 19:54.13 | sasuke781 | if i check to install a file server is that samba? |
| 19:54.37 | eth01 | 50meg will be available later this year, it's still in testing tbh |
| 19:54.41 | eth01 | not my thing, don't bother me about it |
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| 19:54.56 | cusco | ok what is "CM" ? |
| 19:55.20 | asg | sasuke781: that or NFS |
| 19:55.34 | soulchild | don't want to disturb, but I still need to know how to copy my debian system to another partition,.... ;) |
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| 19:56.01 | roxy_ | when I installed my debian system, I found it very clever to use multiple partition like /home/roxy /home/roxy/.svk /usr /usr/local ... |
| 19:56.14 | eth01 | cable modem. |
| 19:56.26 | cusco | eth01: well nice to talk to you anyway. thanks for the info |
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| 19:57.13 | soulchild | I ll ask in #gentoo |
| 19:57.28 | hedos | Hello. I'm trying to change the DPI to 96, but it won't work, xdpyinfo always reports 80x85 dots per inch. |
| 19:57.31 | roxy_ | it is just to difficult to maintain. Is there a way to switch to just one partition ? |
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| 19:58.53 | egns | any idea about taking screenshots in fluxbox, without the gimp? |
| 19:58.56 | soulchild | Damn, Michael Buble is just great |
| 19:58.56 | thedonvaughn | roxy_: yah backup what u want, re-partition your hardrive and re-install. |
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| 19:59.13 | cusco | roxy_: tho you could back up first |
| 19:59.37 | cusco | I find that just a separate /home helps |
| 20:00.43 | roxy_ | can give an empty partition (p1) to LVM, copy p2 to p1. use p1+p2 for LVM, and so on ? |
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| 20:01.04 | roxy_ | so getting the LVM partition bigger and bigger. |
| 20:01.36 | thedonvaughn | roxy_: yah just move data off the partitions, when that partition is empty add it to the LVM and resize the partition like you said. |
| 20:01.38 | flower | how can I use netwerk connection to copy files from a computer which is on the same network? |
| 20:01.56 | thedonvaughn | roxy_: using LVM is definitley ideal in this situation |
| 20:02.01 | flower | ftp or something? |
| 20:02.20 | roxy_ | thedonvaughn: thanks. LVM it will be |
| 20:02.30 | thedonvaughn | flower: rsync or scp would be my first go. |
| 20:03.00 | cusco | roxy_: that makes sense... I never used lvm tho |
| 20:03.11 | enouf | how do i kill jobs +3 through +6 .. they are all stopped, i've looked at 'help jobs', and killed +1 and +2 simply by 'fg %1' , but that fails when i string them together; fg %1,%2,%3... |
| 20:03.14 | roxy_ | cusco: me neither :-) |
| 20:03.15 | cusco | oops good luck |
| 20:03.32 | flower | thedonvaughn: I did it before with open ssh or something? |
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| 20:03.42 | cusco | enouf: foreach ? |
| 20:03.46 | enouf | i also tried "jobs -x killall" but i think that needs an arg |
| 20:03.47 | thedonvaughn | flower: scp is openssh secure copy. |
| 20:03.49 | cusco | I mean, a for loop :p |
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| 20:04.07 | flower | thedonvaughn: ok , scp, can you explain it to me? |
| 20:04.20 | enouf | cusco: well ,that's silly - but sure - there must be a builtin way ;-) |
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| 20:04.55 | Yarcanox | can someone here send/receive UDP packages manually? |
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| 20:05.13 | thedonvaughn | flower: man scp. "scp ./localfile.txt user@host:/remote/path" will copy localfile.txt to /remote/path at server host. (using the username user :) |
| 20:05.37 | asg | Yarcanox: it can be done with netcat quite easilty |
| 20:05.50 | Yarcanox | asg udp aswell? o.O |
| 20:05.54 | thedonvaughn | Yarcanox: netcat -u |
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| 20:05.58 | asg | Yarcanox: yes |
| 20:06.10 | Yarcanox | hum ok |
| 20:06.14 | Yarcanox | but I still need someone else to do it =D |
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| 20:06.25 | Yarcanox | because there's this router between me and the net |
| 20:06.55 | Mallxs | Ok. i'm on debian amd64 ... is there a way for me to do flash player ? |
| 20:07.04 | flower | thedonvaughn: I need an ip adres of that pc isn't it? how can I get it? |
| 20:07.11 | cusco | Yarcanox: I don't mind if you tell me what to do :p |
| 20:07.13 | asg | Mallxs: #debian-amd64 will have more information |
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| 20:07.24 | Mallxs | asg: again thx |
| 20:08.26 | thedonvaughn | flower: yes you need to know either the hostname or ip address of the other node. If you don't know, ask someone who does or just go to that machine and find out. I'm confused on what you're asking. |
| 20:08.41 | mmlj4 | Mallxs: gnash, knash |
| 20:09.42 | flower | thedonvaughn: how can I know which ip adres a certain pc has? |
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| 20:10.11 | thedonvaughn | flower: ifconfig |
| 20:10.12 | peppe | flower: ifconfig, ip addr |
| 20:10.16 | flower | thedonvaughn: ok |
| 20:10.45 | Gillpy | How would I get information on the hosts on my dhcp LAN |
| 20:10.53 | dino- | If anyone has a minute, I'm installing a new lenny system and need linux-source-2.4.26 to be able to build nvidia drivers.. |
| 20:10.55 | sasuke781 | does anyone know of a website that has a pretty good tutorial on debian and its commands and such |
| 20:11.07 | dino- | Seems to be done from apt now, I only see the etch backports. |
| 20:11.12 | dino- | What should I do here? |
| 20:11.37 | thedonvaughn | dino-: why are you using 2.4.26 on lenny? |
| 20:11.38 | dino- | I should say: system installed 2.6.24 kernel, ofc |
| 20:11.44 | thedonvaughn | ok |
| 20:11.47 | dino- | thedonvaughn: Good question, the installer did this |
| 20:12.28 | dino- | I'm sorry, I'm typing confusing things with the .26/.24 |
| 20:12.33 | dino- | Let me back up and clarify. |
| 20:12.50 | dino- | $ uname -a |
| 20:12.51 | dino- | Linux orca 2.6.24-1-686 #1 SMP Thu May 8 02:16:39 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 20:12.58 | thedonvaughn | dino-: to compile nvidia, you only need linux-headers package for your kernel version i believe. |
| 20:13.15 | thedonvaughn | linux-headers-2.6 should pull down most current packaged kernel |
| 20:13.20 | thedonvaughn | headers that is :0 |
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| 20:14.05 | dino- | Ok, I did get that, linux-headers-2.6-686 |
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| 20:14.41 | dino- | Perhaps I just need to give it the path, the nvidia installer |
| 20:15.39 | enouf | Well, the jobs thing .. ~$ kill %{3,4,5,6} or ~$ kill %{3..6} works |
| 20:15.52 | enouf | cusco: got that? ;-) |
| 20:15.54 | cusco | yes |
| 20:16.09 | cusco | good to know |
| 20:16.14 | enouf | indeed |
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| 20:16.53 | cusco | I never learned the use of {} in bash |
| 20:17.00 | enouf | i'm silly though, i'm familar with the braces expansion ala; cat /etc/{*version*,*issue*,*release*} ;-) |
| 20:17.09 | Tuxist | hi |
| 20:17.21 | dino- | thedonvaughn: Thanks for your help. |
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| 20:17.34 | cusco | thanks for the hint! |
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| 20:17.41 | steven43126 | hi |
| 20:17.46 | thedonvaughn | dino-: np |
| 20:17.51 | biatche | I have roughly 10 common/general users simultaneously using squid. (Total of 40 pcs will use squid, though usually not at the same time). Most of these users visit the same sites generally 60% of the time. Can anyone recommend me a good disk cache size and mem cache size? It won't be on a server dedicated just for squid, but along with a lot of other services. For this number of users, is it (still) recommended to have a dedicate disk just for squid |
| 20:18.13 | steven43126 | will debian install over wifi... it's an atheros based chipset i'm guessing not ?? |
| 20:18.30 | Nyle | Time to bend over and apply a patch, Your brain's throwing static like a CD with a scratch. Your connection got nuked and you've met your match. You run a single process like a VAX with a batch. I'd pass the torch to a real winner But it'd just scorch a while-loop spinner Caught in a loop that you cant escape, I run clock cycles around your words and flows, Cuz your rhyme is like a PS fan: it' blows, Your water-cooled lyrics leak and it shows. |
| 20:18.32 | thedonvaughn | steven43126: prolly not |
| 20:18.36 | Nyle | Take your ass back to alt.paid.for.windows. |
| 20:18.52 | cusco | biatche: I wouldn't think so but maybe you should ask in squid |
| 20:18.53 | steven43126 | hmm any easy way round it ? |
| 20:18.57 | cusco | I meant ~squid |
| 20:18.59 | biatche | very quiet there heh. |
| 20:19.00 | cusco | #squid |
| 20:19.09 | steven43126 | any install cd's on the net that have wifi drivers included ?? |
| 20:19.34 | Nyle | no |
| 20:19.47 | biatche | #squid is very quiet |
| 20:19.48 | enouf | Nyle: sounds like warthog lyrics ;-) "Off my case, Toilet face" :-p |
| 20:19.55 | cusco | steven43126: depending on the wifi driver |
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| 20:20.10 | cusco | athk5 seems to be included in the debian kernel now, not sure about the d-i |
| 20:20.14 | steven43126 | cusco: it would be the madwifi driver |
| 20:20.23 | enouf | massive unbannage |
| 20:20.31 | tomaw | just cleaning up my ones :) |
| 20:20.36 | enouf | heh |
| 20:20.40 | cusco | steven43126: athk5 is the opensource version of madwifi |
| 20:20.51 | steven43126 | cusco: ahh really that cool |
| 20:21.07 | cusco | so it works with most atheros chips |
| 20:21.16 | steven43126 | cusco: never come across it, im guessing it's not in the installer though :( |
| 20:21.32 | enouf | cusco: http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ is a good read/study to start ;-) |
| 20:21.33 | cusco | I don't know since wich kernel version it got in, not too long ago tho |
| 20:21.59 | steven43126 | etch is 2.6.18 so i doubt it |
| 20:22.01 | cusco | enouf: maybe when/if I need it |
| 20:22.02 | cusco | thanks |
| 20:22.05 | eth01 | cusco: webcache.blueyonder.co.uk 8080 runs squid -- look at using it |
| 20:22.07 | peppe | biatche: try to figure out how much disk space is used by those most visited sites |
| 20:22.09 | Gillpy | How do I make queries to my dhcp server, like names and ips of hosts on the LAN |
| 20:22.13 | cusco | steven43126: ok Im using testing... sorry |
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| 20:22.30 | cusco | I think it was from 2.6.22 |
| 20:22.40 | biatche | I don't think those mosted visited sites would even exceed 100MB |
| 20:22.40 | steven43126 | hmm i could install testing |
| 20:22.56 | steven43126 | but i always use the etch install cd then upgrade from there lol |
| 20:23.10 | cusco | or you could just get a weekly build from teh debian installer, hope it installs ok, and choose stable branch (I guess) |
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| 20:24.12 | steven43126 | cusco: hmm i might do, just want to get mi old laptop in action moving house and everything else is packed now :( |
| 20:24.27 | eth01 | it may improve your connection and that goes for steven43126 *as well* |
| 20:24.42 | biatche | peppe: While I don't think they'd even exceed 100MB, I was thinking of allocating 2GB of disk space (with no real reason). However, my concern lies more whether I should dedicate a disk for squid. I plan on putting it on my disk with root, though as a seperate partition. The thing is, if I were to purchase a disk, is it all that wise to use 2GB out of an 80GB disk? |
| 20:25.32 | steven43126 | does the os firmware support WPA2 ?? |
| 20:25.34 | biatche | So I thought ok, might as well put it on my primary disk... 2gb space is nothing. |
| 20:27.12 | peppe | biatche: well, try with this configuration and so some profiling |
| 20:27.26 | biatche | Hmm ok |
| 20:27.55 | mordy_ | i've asked this before. how do i check my CPU's current frequency? |
| 20:28.19 | peppe | /proc/cpuinfo, /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpuX/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq |
| 20:28.22 | valdyn | mordy_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 20:29.49 | peppe | I would double check the second one since I wrote it by headrt :) |
| 20:29.55 | peppe | *heart |
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| 20:30.13 | mordy_ | and another question - what would ensure that my CPU goes to its maximum speed? i'm under the impression that my power management isn't working the way it should - is there anything i can do that will certainly make it run to maximum speed? |
| 20:30.49 | steven43126 | mordy_: make sure your using the performance govenor |
| 20:30.57 | steven43126 | mordy_: and check your BIOS settings |
| 20:31.28 | mordy_ | steven - i want to test it, then i'll see if the problem is somewhere in the governor - and the bios here is rather lame :D |
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| 20:32.04 | maligor | cpufreq-info shows current |
| 20:32.11 | steven43126 | mordy_: what cpu is it most cpu's will autmicattically switch between p states anyway |
| 20:32.38 | steven43126 | damm my spelling is terrible it really has been a long day ;) |
| 20:32.49 | eth01 | you told me 10 minutes ago. |
| 20:32.51 | eth01 | haha |
| 20:32.54 | eth01 | jk |
| 20:33.02 | mordy_ | steven - yes, and i'm wondering because it's at the lowest state, but running at 50% - it should jump to the next state |
| 20:33.25 | steven43126 | eth01: u in the uk ? |
| 20:34.55 | mordy_ | - " current policy: frequency should be within 600 MHz and 600 MHz." - is this normal (it shows the maximum frequency too (1.2Ghz)) |
| 20:34.58 | mordy_ | ? |
| 20:35.30 | steven43126 | mordy_: what govenor are you currently using ? |
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| 20:35.47 | mordy_ | i'm having a feeling that the governor is turned off. i forgot which one i'm using. how do i check? |
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| 20:36.55 | msshams | i get this error when i try to commit: http://paste.ubuntu.com/30664/ please help me. |
| 20:37.13 | streuner | msshams: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 20:37.21 | steven43126 | mordy_: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/current_govenor or something like that :) |
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| 20:37.38 | steven43126 | i don't remember the exact path/name |
| 20:37.45 | MrBlueberry | hello |
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| 20:38.06 | msshams | streuner: ii libc6 2.7-10ubuntu3 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 20:38.28 | streuner | msshams: #ubuntu |
| 20:38.28 | mordy_ | steven - this is from cpufreq-info -g: userspace powersave ondemand conservative performance |
| 20:38.36 | MrBlueberry | i've got a problem with Debian based distro - Dreamlinux. Can I ask it? There's noone on #dreamlinux |
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| 20:38.48 | tyu | hi |
| 20:38.51 | MrBlueberry | hi |
| 20:38.53 | steven43126 | mordy_: thats the available one's not which one is set :) |
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| 20:39.06 | lymeca | What command line tool can I use to browse a remote LDAP server on my LAN? |
| 20:39.08 | mordy_ | gah.. let me try the long path |
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| 20:39.32 | MrBlueberry | has anyone been using Dreamlinux? :( |
| 20:40.06 | tyu | I tried with synaptic (force version) but I'm not able to do the following: use libavcodev and libavformat from debian (0.svn20080206) |
| 20:40.30 | mordy_ | steven - powersave |
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| 20:41.06 | Pavlz | hello |
| 20:41.09 | mordy_ | the correct path is /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor :p |
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| 20:42.06 | WorldMaker | Tried to dist-up to lenny: Why are all haskell-based tools dying with a timer_create error? |
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| 20:42.37 | cusco | I was just whatching this flash video... |
| 20:42.37 | cusco | http://www.break.com/index/it-guy-vs-dumb-employees.html |
| 20:42.44 | cusco | the name should say everything |
| 20:42.45 | steven43126 | mordy_: set it to performance :) |
| 20:43.09 | Nyle | so its in portugese? |
| 20:43.13 | Nyle | hm |
| 20:43.17 | steven43126 | mordy_: i have no idea how the powersave govenor works i always use the ondmeand one :) |
| 20:43.24 | mordy_ | steven, i have a feeling it's shut down or stopped, since i don't think i've had this problem before |
| 20:43.42 | cusco | just listen to the conversation |
| 20:43.43 | mordy_ | yeah, and i don't think i need the powersave either, since this laptop has no screen, and hence going nowhere :p |
| 20:44.12 | steven43126 | mordy_: lol yeh just set performance :) |
| 20:44.39 | mordy_ | steven, shouldn't i be seeing it in my ps -A? |
| 20:45.02 | steven43126 | mordy_: see what in ps -?? |
| 20:45.30 | mordy_ | steven43126: my governor (powesave*) |
| 20:45.33 | c0d3-r3d | hey does how can i give myself permission to write in /etc/var/www? |
| 20:45.44 | steven43126 | mordy_: the govenor is a kernel module not a process :) |
| 20:45.50 | c0d3-r3d | does = guys lol |
| 20:46.08 | mordy_ | doesn't do guys :| |
| 20:46.20 | extor | Is there any way for me to change my name that shows up in a shell account without being root? |
| 20:46.20 | c0d3-r3d | i ment to type Guys and not goes lol |
| 20:46.27 | c0d3-r3d | does* |
| 20:46.39 | c0d3-r3d | lets try again |
| 20:46.52 | c0d3-r3d | Hey guys how can i give myself permission to write in /etc/var/www |
| 20:47.02 | steven43126 | extor: not really can be set up to allow that but by default i think not |
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| 20:47.06 | scroogey | hello |
| 20:47.14 | scroogey | how can i check which version of bind is installed? |
| 20:47.19 | extor | chfn? |
| 20:47.23 | scroogey | ? |
| 20:47.23 | Coweater | c0d3-r3d: be in the www-data group |
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| 20:47.38 | c0d3-r3d | Coweater how do i add myself to it? |
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| 20:48.17 | whitman | scroogey, dpkg --list | grep bind |
| 20:48.47 | steven43126 | wow lol i just found aptitude moo lol |
| 20:48.51 | steven43126 | aptitude -v moo |
| 20:48.57 | steven43126 | and aptitude -vv moo lol |
| 20:49.03 | mordy_ | aptitude install moo? |
| 20:49.05 | c0d3-r3d | how do i add users to groups then? |
| 20:49.12 | steven43126 | mordy_: no just aptitude moo |
| 20:49.15 | Coweater | c0d3-r3d: #usermod -a -G www-data username |
| 20:49.26 | mordy_ | "no easter eggs in this program" lol |
| 20:49.36 | Coweater | c0d3-r3d: read the usermod man page |
| 20:49.38 | steven43126 | mordy_: ever screwed up the aptitude command and noticed the aptitude does not have super cow powers statement ;) |
| 20:50.18 | mordy_ | i've seen it with apt-get here and there, i don't know what that means though |
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| 20:50.35 | c0d3-r3d | 16:50:28] 257 "/var/www/apache2-default" is current directory. |
| 20:50.35 | c0d3-r3d | [16:50:28] MKD test |
| 20:50.35 | c0d3-r3d | [16:50:28] 550 test: Permission denied |
| 20:50.39 | c0d3-r3d | still doesnt work |
| 20:50.41 | mordy_ | hehe, try apt-get moo :p |
| 20:50.44 | steven43126 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aptitude_(program) see easter egg ;) |
| 20:51.01 | mordy_ | gah, CPU is horrible |
| 20:51.07 | WorldMaker | Could the "timed_create" error with haskell apps in Lenny be from having an older kernel (due to virtualization)? |
| 20:51.17 | scroogey | http://pastie.org/241727 |
| 20:51.19 | mordy_ | i did cpufreq-set -g ondemand, but nothing happens |
| 20:51.20 | hedos | Hey guys. I tried almost everything, startx, kde config, xorg.conf, but my fonts DPI will not be set to 96, it always stays at 80x85. Have I overlooked something? |
| 20:51.27 | scroogey | i am having this, do you think is the safe version of bind/named? |
| 20:51.34 | steven43126 | mordy_: you can just set in that file ;) |
| 20:51.39 | mordy_ | well, the governor changes, but no change in performance |
| 20:51.46 | tyu | I tried with synaptic (force version) but I'm not able to do the following: use libavcodev and libavformat from debian (0.svn20080206), right now they are both at version 3:20080706-0.2 |
| 20:51.48 | steven43126 | just echo ondeman > scaling_govenor |
| 20:51.53 | mordy_ | hmm... let me see what else is in there |
| 20:52.17 | c0d3-r3d | so im still not added to www-data |
| 20:52.44 | tyu | I tried with synaptic (force version) but I'm not able to do the following: use libavcodev and libavformat from debian (0.svn20080206), right now they are both at version 3:20080706-0.2 (actually the problem is that when you try to reinstall opencv it demands that the newer version of these package be reinstalled) |
| 20:53.02 | mordy_ | steven - still nothing happens :(( |
| 20:53.12 | steven43126 | mordy_: thats strange ? |
| 20:53.32 | steven43126 | mordy_: is it dual core ? |
| 20:53.42 | mordy_ | no - pentium M |
| 20:53.43 | steven43126 | and thats why your seeing 50% lol |
| 20:53.59 | steven43126 | mordy_: celron m ? |
| 20:54.05 | nickname342 | I tried with synaptic (force version) but I'm not able to do the following: use libavcodev and libavformat from debian (0.svn20080206), right now they are both at version 3:20080706-0.2 (actually the problem is that when you try to reinstall opencv it demands that the newer version of these package be reinstalled) |
| 20:54.23 | steven43126 | i had problems with celron m where i had to load the p4_clockmod module to get cpu scaling to work |
| 20:54.32 | scroogey | how can i install the DNS cache poisioning fix for bind9 on my debian box? |
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| 20:54.53 | steven43126 | mordy_: you could just unload all the modules to do with cpu frequency scaling if you don't need it |
| 20:55.01 | mordy_ | steven, it's a decent processor - not celeron - one of those ultra high voltage processors, i never really bothered to check what model i'm using, since i didn't really look muhc into this computer before i bought it (two years ago) it generally functions fine, but today it's rather slow |
| 20:55.23 | mordy_ | steven, so that's why i have a feeling that something is turned off :( |
| 20:55.47 | steven43126 | mordy_: i would remove all the cpu_frequency scaling modules |
| 20:55.57 | steven43126 | make sure the cpufreq daemonisn't running |
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| 20:56.19 | iarwain1 | can anyone help me getting mpdscribble to work on my Debian ARM box? Got my conf file the same as a working one on my Arch box, and got no errors in the log. Don't know what else to check, as it worked before (long long time ago) |
| 20:56.26 | steven43126 | mordy_: and you could always check the logs for something strange :) |
| 20:56.32 | steven43126 | and dmesg :) |
| 20:56.36 | mordy_ | dmesg, i suppose |
| 20:56.51 | mordy_ | hehe, i wonder if there's a database of logs and what they do (man logs?) |
| 20:57.25 | steven43126 | mordy_: lol there pretty self explanatory |
| 20:58.35 | mordy_ | ahh.. this seems interesting : Jul 26 23:55:21 minime acpid: client has disconnected |
| 20:58.57 | steven43126 | mordy_: hmm restart acpid ? |
| 20:59.08 | steven43126 | ah better go my dinner is here :) |
| 20:59.34 | mordy_ | hehe, enjoy |
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| 21:00.10 | mordy_ | how do i restart this thing :-? |
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| 21:07.18 | valdyn | mordy_: why would you restart it? |
| 21:07.26 | valdyn | mordy_: silly |
| 21:07.50 | valdyn | mordy_: it only told you that a client disconnected, thats not an error |
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| 21:08.20 | mordy_ | valdyn - then what could be the problem. my processor refuses to increase speed |
| 21:08.33 | mordy_ | it's running at 50% load at half its maximum speed |
| 21:08.38 | iarwain1 | So, mpdscribble seems to segfault here. Can anyone try and see if his/hers works and what version you're using? |
| 21:08.51 | valdyn | mordy_: its an intel cpu? |
| 21:08.57 | mordy_ | yes |
| 21:09.04 | gn00b | having some serious issues installing deluge-torrent. this is aptitide - http://rafb.net/p/MqLAMm74.html this is dpkg -i deluge-torrent - http://rafb.net/p/ZA3Dmr35.html |
| 21:09.08 | valdyn | mordy_: how do you know its maximum speed? |
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| 21:09.45 | mordy_ | vladyn, i know its maximum speed is 1.2 Ghz and not 600Mhz, both because those are its specs, and because cpufreq-info says so |
| 21:10.01 | c0d3-r3d | so how do i get in www-data what u told me to do didnt work |
| 21:10.01 | dustybin | what is LVM like on linux? is it solid and stable or is one at losing data? |
| 21:10.12 | dustybin | riak |
| 21:10.13 | mordy_ | (and no, it's not dual core, HT, or anything like that) |
| 21:10.15 | dustybin | risk |
| 21:11.00 | dustybin | im going to build a new server using a 3ware RAID controller card, then use LVM to create partitions |
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| 21:13.12 | samantha- | okay i don't get this. once upon a time on this box (lenny), i could get wireless networking going with wpa, using nm-applet (network manager for gnome). now the wireless networking setup doesn't seem to recognize wlan0 and i don't understand why. where do i even start with this? |
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| 21:15.45 | philluminati | Hi guys, I've just installed Debian 4.0, Etch and I want to install the Adobe Flash player for Iceweasel. I followed the guide but I can't get past GPG key warnings in apt-get |
| 21:15.48 | dustybin | samantha-: the solutions are on madwifi website no doubt |
| 21:15.50 | philluminati | any suggestions? |
| 21:16.04 | philluminati | My real goal is to install nspluginwrapper |
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| 21:16.35 | dustybin | samantha-: your the first female debian user ive come across :-) |
| 21:16.56 | Sling | come or came? |
| 21:17.01 | Sling | sorry.. ;) |
| 21:17.15 | c0d3-r3d | how do i get added to www-data? |
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| 21:17.28 | samantha- | dustybin, first time for everything. but this shit is why i hate wireless networks with a screaming passion. |
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| 21:18.39 | dustybin | samantha-: what mode are you using 802.11 g ? |
| 21:19.21 | philluminati | don't worry guys, if I do aptitude install markybob-keyring it works (but not with apt-get install) |
| 21:19.26 | samantha- | dustybin, g is preferable but i'd settle for b. |
| 21:19.59 | c0d3-r3d | how can i see what groups i have?? |
| 21:20.00 | samantha- | but at this point i can't acquire even knowing the ssid. |
| 21:20.00 | mordy_ | b is better for long distance, while G gives you higher speeds. but if you're not running a lan or file sharing or local services, b can do the trick |
| 21:20.01 | dustybin | instead of using GUIs to setup your wifi, i think you need to do it all from command lne |
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| 21:20.42 | samantha- | dustybin, i know this is no longer true, there are gui setup tools. the problem i'm having is that i need to be able to both use a usual lan, and then travel with the thing to places like starbucks. |
| 21:21.07 | dustybin | mm coffee |
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| 21:21.29 | samantha- | this has been such a pain in the ass i'd switch back to windows, except i can't get an xp cd to boot on this sack of shit machine |
| 21:21.49 | mordy_ | samantha - all in the /etc/network/interfaces. it's usually a lot less troublesome at the end, although nm may be more appealing at first sight |
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| 21:22.18 | dustybin | samantha-: if the worse comes to the worse, choose os x instead of windows |
| 21:22.37 | samantha- | dustybin, if you're buying the powerbook, i'm pleased to do it. |
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| 21:22.50 | c0d3-r3d | wow two people helping one person nice support |
| 21:22.54 | dustybin | samantha-: if you was local you could borrow mine :) |
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| 21:23.22 | samantha- | dustybin, you wouldn't get it back. |
| 21:23.53 | mordy_ | gah fucking acpi |
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| 21:24.01 | c0d3-r3d | how can i see what groups i have?? |
| 21:24.04 | knoxy | hi all.. How can I do to my debian etch running with 4 processors? I've a intel quad core and only one of nucleus is available... |
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| 21:24.30 | ths | c0d3-r3d: id ? |
| 21:24.55 | kevind23 | Hi, I'm trying to use ffmpeg to grab audio from a video file, but it keeps segfaulting, and MPlayer doesn't work either |
| 21:25.01 | philluminati | Can someone help me with this error? W: GPG error: http://www.dipconsultants.com etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 87087D251D0C997D |
| 21:25.02 | c0d3-r3d | i cant write to etc/var/www |
| 21:25.31 | kevind23 | http://pastebin.ca/1083787 |
| 21:25.36 | mordy_ | phil. then there's no key. just ignore it |
| 21:27.27 | mordy_ | shouldn't give you problems |
| 21:27.43 | Gillpy | Hey, can I make a fifo, or something similar, with a time delay ? |
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| 21:28.50 | philluminati | thanks |
| 21:29.10 | philluminati | I can't get nspluginwrapper installed. No "candidate" for installation. |
| 21:29.31 | philluminati | I'm not sure what I'm supposed to have in my sources file. What does everyody else have? |
| 21:29.48 | valdyn | !nspluginwrapper |
| 21:29.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages. |
| 21:30.04 | valdyn | !contrib |
| 21:30.04 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 21:31.01 | mordy_ | gah, is there anything except a restart that would fix this cpu speed issue? meh, i'll paste the relevant output |
| 21:31.02 | scroogey | how can i install the libjpeg-devel package? |
| 21:31.07 | scroogey | apt-get install libjpeg-devel doesnt work |
| 21:31.20 | philluminati | !backports |
| 21:31.20 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 21:31.35 | scroogey | ? |
| 21:32.01 | mordy_ | http://rafb.net/p/thFwYn19.html |
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| 21:33.30 | c0d3-r3d | Hey guys how can i give myself permission to write in /etc/var/www |
| 21:33.37 | c0d3-r3d | usermod didnt work |
| 21:33.43 | Slasher | chmod? |
| 21:33.59 | c0d3-r3d | ?? |
| 21:34.42 | Slasher | i would say chmod it to 777 as root but that's not really the safest way to do it |
| 21:35.01 | philluminati | :-) backports are the future! |
| 21:35.01 | c0d3-r3d | Slasher its just me with access lol |
| 21:35.01 | Coweater | what is /etc/var/www? |
| 21:35.10 | c0d3-r3d | my apache stuff |
| 21:35.28 | Coweater | rather odd location for it, usually the default is /var/www |
| 21:35.44 | c0d3-r3d | well ya its /var/www |
| 21:36.21 | c0d3-r3d | so how do i change /var/www to allow me to write? |
| 21:36.34 | Slasher | hi everyone, i was wondering if someone could help me out please? I'm trying to setup xen on a debian server but am having some errors when i try to create and install the domu using the command "xm create -c /etc/xen/ftpserver.cfg" but I am getting the error shown here (http://www.pastebin.ca/1082810) on lines 82/3. any help would be appreciated |
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| 21:38.27 | Daemonik | What are the advantages of storing email with an SQL backend? |
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| 21:42.20 | valdyn | Daemonik: none? |
| 21:42.56 | Slasher | so umm yea me and a friend have been googling around for hours and found nothing of any use :( |
| 21:44.06 | Daemonik | valdyn, Don't mbox files get locked? |
| 21:44.19 | valdyn | Daemonik: so? |
| 21:44.29 | valdyn | Daemonik: not like mbox files is the only way |
| 21:44.56 | reZo | hello, i have a chroot issue with ssh, i have copied over all required files (libs etc) to the chroot at /home/chroot/ however, when i go to login to the account, i can still access the real root, how can i resolve this issue? |
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| 21:46.33 | Daemonik | valdyn, With mailboxes gigabytes in size mostly of very small messages, wouldn't mail-dir be inefficient? |
| 21:47.09 | valdyn | Daemonik: yes sure, that is why theres indices |
| 21:48.12 | valdyn | Daemonik: mua do this, pop3 and imap servers do this |
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| 21:49.02 | valdyn | Daemonik: whats your application? replicating google mail? |
| 21:49.08 | Daemonik | valdyn, indices? |
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| 21:49.24 | valdyn | Daemonik: or indexes |
| 21:49.36 | valdyn | (sp?) |
| 21:49.37 | valdyn | nfc |
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| 21:50.02 | Daemonik | valdyn, mail-dir uses indexes? The application is about two to three hundred email accounts where users are treating email like instant messaging. |
| 21:50.19 | valdyn | Daemonik: maildir does not use indexes |
| 21:50.31 | valdyn | Daemonik: but mail user agents and pop3 / imap servers do |
| 21:50.48 | valdyn | Daemonik: be it on top of maildir or in their own whatever format |
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| 21:52.12 | Daemonik | valdyn, mail-dir could potentially have very high filesystem overhead with large quantities of small messages yes? |
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| 21:52.26 | valdyn | Daemonik: im sure that most users cant deal with gigabyte sized mailboxes |
| 21:52.35 | valdyn | Daemonik: except if you provide the frontend too |
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| 21:55.32 | valdyn | Daemonik: sure |
| 21:55.57 | Daemonik | valdyn, I'm looking here, some users have 1.5 gig folders which are stored as mbox files. hmm |
| 21:56.43 | valdyn | Daemonik: yea, users who know what they are doing will use an mua that does huge mailboxes in acceptable speed |
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| 21:57.53 | Daemonik | valdyn, Server side I wouldn't want to store that using mail-dir would I? |
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| 21:58.41 | valdyn | Daemonik: why not? |
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| 21:59.52 | Daemonik | valdyn, If almost all of these messages are only a few kb in size, could that be very high filesystem overhead? |
| 22:00.19 | valdyn | Daemonik: could reading an 1.5GB mbox file give some high ram usage? |
| 22:00.40 | Daemonik | valdyn, It would just list them with an index yeah? |
| 22:00.54 | valdyn | Daemonik: for both cases, sure |
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| 22:08.13 | evilsporkman | recent iceweasel/xulrunner-1.9 upgrade seems to make iceweasel choke on gmail... |
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| 22:12.37 | quagga | evilsporkman: works for me |
| 22:13.05 | evilsporkman | quagga: 3.0.1 from unstable? |
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| 22:13.37 | quagga | 3.0.1 on testing |
| 22:13.46 | evilsporkman | works for me now that I turned greasemonkey off |
| 22:14.31 | evilsporkman | thanks for telling me it's jst my fault |
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| 22:16.45 | quagga | ah, its what i do :) |
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| 22:23.03 | TrueDD | Hi all |
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| 22:23.54 | juliaaa | hý |
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| 22:24.49 | TrueDD | hi juliaaa |
| 22:24.58 | juliaaa | where are you from |
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| 22:27.02 | Nyle | earth |
| 22:27.18 | newsense | me too |
| 22:27.19 | TrueDD | juliaaa, i'm from france |
| 22:27.21 | k-man_ | whats the debian way to manage which programs are started in each run level? |
| 22:28.05 | juliaaa | TrueDD ý am from turkey |
| 22:28.37 | sauvin_ | est de partout |
| 22:28.41 | TrueDD | ok :) |
| 22:28.54 | TrueDD | salut sauvin_ |
| 22:29.04 | sauvin_ | Salut :) |
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| 22:29.44 | newsense | wassup sauvin |
| 22:29.54 | newsense | where ya from in il ? |
| 22:30.43 | sauvin | Northwest :) |
| 22:30.55 | newsense | like naperville ? |
| 22:31.04 | sauvin | that would be northeast. |
| 22:31.05 | newsense | or nm thats sw |
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| 22:32.12 | newsense | sauvin: youre in a nice neighborhood ? |
| 22:32.21 | sauvin | Yup! |
| 22:32.41 | newsense | im in the slums :( |
| 22:32.55 | newsense | ill move there one dy though :) |
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| 22:34.49 | hedos | Hello. I'm having some trouble with chinese characters under debian. I'm using non-antialiased fonts and everything looks fine at the default size of 10 or 12 pts. But anything above or below that and the fonts become antialiased and look very ugly. |
| 22:35.05 | hedos | Note that this doesn't happen for non-chinese fonts, i.e., it stays non antialiased at any size. |
| 22:35.32 | rahul | how is a font non-antialiased? |
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| 22:36.44 | hedos | rahul: I don't know if one can say "aliased font", but I hope you get the meaning. |
| 22:36.49 | sauvin | What slums, where? |
| 22:37.00 | hedos | By non antialiased, I mean there is no smoothing of the fonts. |
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| 22:37.05 | rahul | hedos: such a thing does not exist |
| 22:37.17 | rahul | hedos: how do you set that there is no smoothing? |
| 22:37.29 | rahul | since it has nothing to do with the font itself |
| 22:37.29 | hedos | rahul: Huh? It does exist. Take a look at Windows XP. |
| 22:37.45 | rahul | hedos: windows xp supports ttf, too |
| 22:37.57 | hedos | rahul: What's your point? |
| 22:38.12 | rahul | hedos: that you're saying you're using something that doesn't exist |
| 22:39.21 | hedos | rahul: I did not say I was using fonts that have the intrisic propery of not been anti-aliased, I said that my fonts were not been anti-aliased, meaning that my system is configured not to apply anti-aliasing to the fonts. Is that sufficiently clear now? |
| 22:39.33 | kibibyte | hi |
| 22:39.59 | juliaaa | hý |
| 22:40.34 | rahul | hedos: ... and how did you configure that?> |
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| 22:41.35 | hedos | rahul: Control Center of KDE, section "Fonts", then "Use anti-aliasing for fonts" is checked but with the option to "exclude range" 0.0 to 40.0. |
| 22:41.36 | kibibyte | hi julia are you girl |
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| 22:42.29 | rahul | hedos: and are you using a kde application with this chinese text? |
| 22:42.50 | rahul | hedos: you should probably ask in #kde what the extent of that setting is |
| 22:43.05 | hedos | rahul, I'll have a try in #kde |
| 22:43.10 | hedos | rahul, I'm using Opera |
| 22:43.16 | hedos | To display chinese text. |
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| 22:44.40 | GKiller | Hello |
| 22:44.42 | GKiller | I use Debian Sid on x86_64 with 2.6.26-rc7 kernel and have insane cpu load when doing any harddisk activity. The mouse gets stuck and the whole computer freezes and harddisk transfers are very slow. DMA is activated. |
| 22:44.57 | GKiller | harddisk is PATA on nVidia MPC55 chipset |
| 22:45.23 | rahul | check dmesg |
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| 22:45.56 | GKiller | nothing special |
| 22:46.03 | GKiller | hdparm looks fine too |
| 22:49.41 | mordy_ | why is approx so slow? |
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| 22:49.57 | GKiller | I don't know |
| 22:50.10 | GKiller | 3 hours ago I copied a 400mb file and it took half an hour |
| 22:50.51 | xsdg | GKiller: you likely have DMA disabled |
| 22:50.56 | GKiller | it's enabled |
| 22:51.10 | GKiller | hdparm /dev/hda |
| 22:51.10 | GKiller | using_dma = 1 (on) |
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| 22:51.22 | xsdg | GKiller: can you put the output of `hdparm -I /dev/hda` somewhere? |
| 22:51.32 | GKiller | ok |
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| 22:52.03 | GKiller | xsdg: http://pastebin.org/57401 |
| 22:53.04 | xsdg | GKiller: ok, what's your cpu usage like if you do `dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/null` (either as root, or as a user who's in the "disk" group) |
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| 22:54.03 | GKiller | takes 30% CPU...that looks quite normal |
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| 22:54.49 | xsdg | GKiller: also, how long has this been going on? (and what sort of CPU does your system have?) |
| 22:55.01 | GKiller | dual-core athlon 64 |
| 22:55.34 | GKiller | strange |
| 22:55.40 | xsdg | GKiller: did you compile the kernel yourself, or is it a debian kernel? |
| 22:55.42 | GKiller | i just ran the command again, now cpu usage jumps high |
| 22:55.53 | GKiller | and I can barely write as letters take several seconds to appear |
| 22:56.10 | xsdg | GKiller: if you do `dmesg`, do you see anything interesting? |
| 22:56.11 | GKiller | 105% cpu |
| 22:56.30 | GKiller | 130 and going up...weird |
| 22:56.45 | mordy_ | hwo can a cpu be at such a percentage anyway? |
| 22:56.49 | GKiller | dualcore |
| 22:56.49 | xsdg | mordy_: dual-core |
| 22:57.04 | GKiller | the weird thing is, I ran both commands consecutive without changing anything |
| 22:57.09 | mordy_ | hehe, don't have one of those |
| 22:57.13 | GKiller | first was: 1007343616 Bytes (1,0 GB) kopiert, 22,3617 s, 45,0 MB/s |
| 22:57.21 | GKiller | second was: 1288541184 Bytes (1,3 GB) kopiert, 90,5401 s, 14,2 MB/s |
| 22:57.24 | xsdg | GKiller: again, is there anything interesting in `dmesg`? |
| 22:57.29 | GKiller | no, nothing |
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| 22:57.57 | xsdg | GKiller: did you compile this kernel, or is it a debian kernel? does it have PREEMPT on? |
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| 22:58.13 | GKiller | I compiled it, all realtime and low latency features disabled, scheduler is deadline |
| 22:58.47 | xsdg | GKiller: did the kernel you were using beforehand work ok? |
| 22:59.25 | GKiller | yes, but the one before was also compiled by me, and I took the .config from the old one to the new one and only touched the things that were new, most of them I did not need |
| 22:59.31 | GKiller | was like 2.6.22 |
| 23:00.45 | xsdg | GKiller: my suggestion would be to try plain 2.6.26 and see if the issue goes away. I'm running 2.6.25.7 on an MCP61 with no issues |
| 23:01.28 | GKiller | ok, I'll try |
| 23:01.28 | GKiller | thanks |
| 23:01.28 | xsdg | np; good luck |
| 23:01.37 | trinux | xsdg: do you use the framebuffer console on 2.6.25 by chance? |
| 23:01.46 | xsdg | trinux: nope, sorry |
| 23:01.58 | GKiller | trinux: I did but not on .25 |
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| 23:02.47 | trinux | cause i always used "vga=791" and with 2.6.25 this stopped working. and with the stuff in /Documentation/ inside the kernel source i dont get past this |
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| 23:03.20 | GKiller | trinux: sorry, I don't know. The last time I used framebuffer was with .22 |
| 23:03.35 | juliaaa | hello |
| 23:04.05 | xsdg | trinux: my only guess is to try vga=ask and see if your preferred option is listed |
| 23:04.36 | trinux | xsdg: thats the problem. it lists a lot of nice modes but my screen stays blank when i use them |
| 23:04.50 | xsdg | weird |
| 23:05.02 | xsdg | yeah, I dunno; sorry |
| 23:05.12 | xsdg | maybe search/ask the lkml? |
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| 23:05.49 | GKiller | write there anonymously, maybe alan cox is going to kill you with a rusty axe if he doesn't like the question ;) |
| 23:06.07 | trinux | thats my last hope, the LKML |
| 23:06.29 | xsdg | grins |
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| 23:08.18 | trinux | :P |
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| 23:15.37 | thechef | I've installed samba and I want symlinks placed in the share to be followed by smbd, but instead if you click on a symlink from the remote side it gives me an error, that the file doesn't exist |
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| 23:19.40 | vester | hi |
| 23:20.07 | vester | does anyone know how can i check if i have ata or sata drive |
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| 23:20.26 | GKiller | if it's hdx, it's ata, if it's sdx, it's sata :) |
| 23:20.37 | vester | ? |
| 23:20.40 | juliaaa | hello |
| 23:20.56 | vester | i wanna buy new 320 gb |
| 23:21.02 | vester | hd for my laptop |
| 23:21.08 | vester | and its sata |
| 23:21.19 | vester | but i dont know if it will fit |
| 23:21.28 | GKiller | if your current harddisk is "hda" or "hdb" it's pata now |
| 23:21.41 | GKiller | if it's "sda" or "sdb" it's sata and you're fine |
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| 23:21.47 | knusperfrosch | hi! can i configure apt in a way so it doesn't store debs on the harddisk before installing them? (got a flash-drive) |
| 23:21.56 | vester | how can check these names |
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| 23:22.06 | vester | sda sdb... |
| 23:22.24 | GKiller | vester: look if these devices exist in /dev |
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| 23:22.31 | vester | and how are the connectors different |
| 23:22.52 | GKiller | sata connector is small with 4 (?) cables pata is big with 40 or 80 cables |
| 23:23.23 | vester | well i've got the small connectors |
| 23:23.35 | vester | and i can do hot swapping |
| 23:23.39 | GKiller | small black connectors with red cables is sata |
| 23:23.47 | GKiller | yes that should be possible |
| 23:24.05 | vester | it doesnt have cables |
| 23:24.05 | vester | its laptop drive |
| 23:24.26 | GKiller | to be sure just check /dev and look for hd... and sd... |
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| 23:24.30 | GKiller | if it's sd... you got sata |
| 23:24.33 | scroogey | hello |
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| 23:24.38 | greeg | hi |
| 23:24.44 | scroogey | i am having some trouble to get php compiled with support jpeg-support |
| 23:24.46 | greeg | does freenode not accept connections from tor? |
| 23:24.47 | K350 | Hi, how do I check the monitor size (resolution)? |
| 23:24.48 | scroogey | using --with-jpeg-dir |
| 23:25.53 | scroogey | pit complaing about |
| 23:25.57 | scroogey | http://www.pastie.org/241785 |
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| 23:26.45 | scroogey | using debian 3.1 |
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| 23:27.56 | LinuxKitten | i need help installing |
| 23:28.06 | vester | how can i know if there will be enough space for a new 320 gb laptop drive |
| 23:28.09 | K350 | Någonsom vet hur man kollar monitorns storlek , resolution? |
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| 23:28.35 | vester | it might be thicker |
| 23:28.41 | vester | wider |
| 23:28.43 | vester | bigger |
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| 23:29.56 | LinuxKitten | or is there at least the wireless drivers on the XFCE cd? |
| 23:31.00 | GKiller | vester: if you buy online you can check the datasheets of the drive for dimensions |
| 23:31.08 | GKiller | and compare it to your current drive |
| 23:31.15 | GKiller | if you buy at a shop you can just ask I guess |
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| 23:31.40 | c0d3-r3d | how do i allow write access to /var/www? |
| 23:31.48 | quagga | LinuxKitten: its usually easier to use a wired connection for the initial install |
| 23:32.02 | LinuxKitten | quagga, it won't work |
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| 23:32.34 | GKiller | c0d3-r3d: chmod |
| 23:32.34 | quagga | LinuxKitten: what type of card? |
| 23:32.47 | LinuxKitten | the wireless? |
| 23:33.10 | c0d3-r3d | chmod /var/www to what? |
| 23:33.18 | quagga | LinuxKitten: that and the wired |
| 23:33.25 | LinuxKitten | sec |
| 23:34.13 | GKiller | c0d3-r3d: depends on what you want to do |
| 23:34.24 | c0d3-r3d | im trying to upload files to my apache dir :) |
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| 23:34.31 | c0d3-r3d | via my main user of the box |
| 23:34.42 | LinuxKitten | can i pm you? |
| 23:34.53 | GKiller | try chmod -R a+w /var/www |
| 23:34.54 | LinuxKitten | quagga |
| 23:35.08 | quagga | LinuxKitten: its probably easier to ask in the channel. i don't know everything heh |
| 23:35.14 | LinuxKitten | ok |
| 23:35.22 | LinuxKitten | wireless is Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG |
| 23:35.46 | flawer | erm... catchme is a spambot. im reporting to it's ISP for abuse. |
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| 23:36.09 | quagga | LinuxKitten: yes, thats the same card i'm using at the moment. i used a wired card for the inital install however |
| 23:36.16 | wols | !ipw3945 |
| 23:36.17 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or using a later kernel from <backports.org> or <etchnhalf> - ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 23:36.34 | c0d3-r3d | ty GKiller |
| 23:36.35 | flawer | ======catchme is now known as soon-lastnickcha ;/ |
| 23:36.37 | wols | LinuxKitten: no debian cd has the files for a intel wlan |
| 23:36.44 | LinuxKitten | :< |
| 23:36.53 | wols | LinuxKitten: license issues |
| 23:36.58 | LinuxKitten | how do i get my wired to work |
| 23:37.08 | quagga | LinuxKitten: what is your wired card? |
| 23:37.10 | wols | LinuxKitten: what chip? |
| 23:37.18 | LinuxKitten | looking |
| 23:37.28 | wols | LinuxKitten: and what kernel version? |
| 23:37.49 | LinuxKitten | whatever's newest for debian |
| 23:37.55 | LinuxKitten | in the install |
| 23:37.57 | wols | LinuxKitten: that's no answer |
| 23:38.13 | LinuxKitten | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 23:38.16 | wols | depending on instaler debian has anything from 2.6.18 to 2.6.25 |
| 23:38.23 | wols | and what NIC? |
| 23:38.29 | LinuxKitten | nic? |
| 23:38.35 | wols | !NIC |
| 23:38.36 | dpkg | nic is probably (Network Interface Card) The NIC is an add-in board that enables a computer to connect to some form of computer network.. Network Information Center |
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| 23:40.28 | LinuxKitten | * LAN Controller |
| 23:40.29 | LinuxKitten | Broadcom 5789 Ethernet network controller |
| 23:40.29 | LinuxKitten | supports 10 / 100 / 1.000 MBit/s opteration, supports Wake-on-LAN |
| 23:40.43 | LinuxKitten | OOPS |
| 23:40.47 | LinuxKitten | wrong comp |
| 23:40.58 | wols | LinuxKitten: lspci |
| 23:41.14 | LinuxKitten | errr |
| 23:41.22 | LinuxKitten | command not found |
| 23:42.15 | K350 | Hi, how can I check the monitor size? |
| 23:42.16 | LinuxKitten | maybe |
| 23:42.28 | wols | K350: xpdyinfo |
| 23:42.43 | wols | xdpyinfo |
| 23:43.05 | LinuxKitten | ieee 1394a? |
| 23:43.13 | flawer | I burned debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso ... and there are no files on the disc... just a session with a track. It doesnt even boot up as a bootdisk. |
| 23:43.13 | K350 | Thansk a lot!:-) |
| 23:43.31 | wols | flawer: you didn't burn as image then |
| 23:43.35 | LinuxKitten | flawer did you use an iso burner? |
| 23:43.41 | flawer | yes |
| 23:43.55 | LinuxKitten | a dvd iso burner? |
| 23:43.58 | margiolas | #synaptics |
| 23:44.23 | wols | flawer: what program did you use and how did you use it? |
| 23:44.29 | LinuxKitten | hey wols |
| 23:44.31 | LinuxKitten | RJ-45 (NIC) |
| 23:45.09 | quagga | LinuxKitten: that's the connection type. not the type of card. |
| 23:45.37 | flawer | "Disc Image or Saved project" "record a disc from disc image previously burned onto the hard drive." |
| 23:45.39 | LinuxKitten | is it this IEEE 1394a (FireWire) |
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| 23:45.53 | LinuxKitten | here |
| 23:45.54 | LinuxKitten | http://www.epinions.com/Toshiba_Satellite_A105_S4004_15_4_Notebook_PC_Intel_Core_Duo_Processor_T2300_1024_MB_RAM_100_GB_PC_Notebook/display_~full_specs |
| 23:47.30 | LinuxKitten | is it on that page? |
| 23:50.08 | quagga | LinuxKitten: http://www.infinity-ltd.com/mikkel/Toshiba.html |
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| 23:50.59 | LinuxKitten | you telling me to get fedora |
| 23:52.16 | quagga | no, that lists the hardware in your laptop |
| 23:52.38 | LinuxKitten | oh |
| 23:52.40 | LinuxKitten | so |
| 23:52.53 | LinuxKitten | will debian work with that |
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| 23:53.38 | michelecs | Hi. Anyboy could give me a link to some webpage explaining why Double Compilation is so important? |
| 23:54.58 | LinuxKitten | well i guess i'll have to try something else |
| 23:55.06 | wols | what is double compilation michelecs? |
| 23:56.14 | michelecs | wols: It is one of the main target in upcoming Lenny release, but I cannot see how it could improve stability or anything else. |
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| 23:56.32 | wols | michelecs: weeding out flukes |
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| 23:56.47 | wols | making sure the compile is actually repeatable |
| 23:56.50 | edgardoweb | hello |
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| 23:57.35 | michelecs | wols: OK, but why compiling two times is better than one? |
| 23:58.09 | skyjumper | for some reason, this fresh install of etch with RAID+LVM isn't mounting the rootfs on first boot |
| 23:58.10 | wols | I just told you why |
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| 23:58.45 | skyjumper | the LVs are showing up in /dev/mapper, but the init script is showing that modprobe was called with invalid args |
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| 23:59.16 | skyjumper | currently finding nothing of use via google |
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