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| 00:04.57 | DawnLight | hello |
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| 00:05.34 | DawnLight | are there pci and usb wireless cards that work out of the box in etch? |
| 00:06.33 | wols | vrey very few. some prism I think |
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| 00:07.15 | DawnLight | wow, wols. you've unblocked me! |
| 00:07.27 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.40 | DawnLight | no no |
| 00:07.41 | Sling | :> |
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| 00:12.48 | Pavlz | here iam |
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| 00:13.06 | Pavlz | i have finish to eat my apple pie, now |
| 00:13.37 | th1 | evening folks |
| 00:13.49 | Pavlz | and i was chatting with a girl, but she has got a boyfriend,i hope she left him for me |
| 00:14.58 | Pavlz | any news ? |
| 00:15.07 | Pavlz | i got many from fsf.org |
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| 00:15.26 | Pavlz | but i don't know if they can interest you |
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| 00:16.54 | wols | Pavlz: do you have a debian related question? |
| 00:17.34 | Pavlz | i think i must to change distribution, ubuntu got problems |
| 00:17.46 | wols | Pavlz: do you have a debian related question? |
| 00:18.02 | zeynep | hý |
| 00:18.04 | zeynep | hi |
| 00:18.19 | Pavlz | yes, why ping does not work anymore ? |
| 00:18.20 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 00:18.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 00:21.22 | flawer | err.. this is terrible. When I mount debian-40r3-amd64-DVD-1.iso with daemon tools, I get the same 'not result' as I dont get on my burned DVD |
| 00:21.24 | Pavlz | yes, if i digit for example ping 192.168.1.1 nothing happen why ? |
| 00:21.39 | peterS | Pavlz: try ping -n |
| 00:21.43 | wols | Pavlz: ifconfig |
| 00:21.54 | wols | flawer: I told you. badly burned |
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| 00:22.12 | peterS | Pavlz: ping -n will avoid using DNS. so if your problem is DNS, ping -n will work where ping does not (or is slow) |
| 00:22.23 | flawer | wols: when I mount the ISO with daemontools I get nothing. |
| 00:22.46 | wols | peterS: wout 192.168.1.1 use reverse dns? |
| 00:22.50 | flawer | double negation by mistake :/ |
| 00:22.51 | skyjumper | please don't feed the trolls |
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| 00:23.06 | peterS | wols: yes it will use reverse DNS, except for ping -n |
| 00:24.49 | Pavlz | yes better time of a ping is 64 bytes from 192.168.1.1: icmp_seq=13 ttl=255 time=0.693 ms i nvite to read this link please read it http://www.osnews.com/thread?324624 |
| 00:25.20 | wols | Pavlz: stop spamming please |
| 00:25.36 | wols | Pavlz: this is a debian support channel only not a general chat one as you seem to think |
| 00:26.08 | Pavlz | ok, i sent to debian off topic |
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| 00:26.25 | magyar | hi, i am using kde on lenny and did an upgrade for iceweasel to version-3. I used to be able to click on a web link in kmail on desktop (2) and the link would open in iceweasel on desktop (3). With new icewaesel when I do this, the iceweasel program moves from desktop (3) to desktop (2) |
| 00:26.25 | Pavlz | at the same time i hope you read it |
| 00:26.32 | Pavlz | why is important |
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| 00:30.19 | flawer | Im really having trouble of installing debian.. the ISO i downloaded for amd64 doesnt work.. the md5sum is correct. |
| 00:30.32 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 00:30.33 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 00:30.40 | flawer | It doesnt work burned or mounted with daemontools. |
| 00:31.13 | Fjordside | flawer, download again? |
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| 00:32.33 | flawer | the mounted/burned DVD doesnt contain anything. In nero burning rom's disc info, there's a 4GB(as the disc image) session+track. |
| 00:32.37 | flawer | fjordc711a394157b4f757ce8b7b00febe290 |
| 00:32.53 | Fjordside | oh sorry im getting tired, I though i saw you write is not correct |
| 00:32.59 | th1 | anyone know how I can control the brightness of my hp Compaq 6910p laptop from Debian so as to improve the battery life? |
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| 00:33.09 | flawer | typo*.. but the md5 of the iso is correct |
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| 00:34.11 | flawer | and now im out of DVDs. Can I install debian trough the internet? |
| 00:34.55 | StyXman | flawer: you can download debian net installer and istall almos entirely from a mirror, even a local one |
| 00:35.31 | StyXman | or use any debian intaller, install all you can from it, and the add repositories and keep installing things |
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| 00:36.28 | Pavlz | how to save md5sum ? i saw that is only in html, commonly is distributed as file *.txt |
| 00:36.40 | scroogey | damn while i am trying to compile php5 it keeps complaining that it cant find libjpeg.a |
| 00:37.08 | StyXman | scroogey: a) why compile php5? use the packages! b) install libjpeg-dev |
| 00:37.23 | scroogey | i did the latter |
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| 00:37.40 | skyjumper | why isn't grub listed in the installer menu? |
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| 00:37.46 | Pavlz | you did later ? |
| 00:37.50 | skyjumper | it's only got "install the lilo boot loader..." |
| 00:38.19 | flawer | wtf... ill just go with gentoo |
| 00:38.34 | StyXman | scroogey: the the configure script doesn't find it/you have to hack Makefiles by hand |
| 00:38.42 | JordiGH | Marillat's gstreamer.010-plugins-really-bad concflicts with the -bad package in main. But it seems to provide different codecs altogether. |
| 00:38.54 | JordiGH | just wants to be able to play xvid, patents be damned. |
| 00:39.03 | StyXman | (I don't remember compiling php, so I can't tell what you should do) |
| 00:40.51 | scroogey | it worked fine on the other system |
| 00:40.56 | scroogey | i will just remove libjpeg for now |
| 00:42.00 | magyar | hi, how can i trouble shoot a problem with syslog. It stops rotating /var/log/syslog after a few weeks? |
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| 00:42.18 | skyjumper | wow, i really hate to knock debian, having used it for ~10 years... but i went into the partitioner, came back, and NOW there's a grub option |
| 00:44.00 | skyjumper | the grub option is requiring me to repartition/reformat. this is broken |
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| 00:44.41 | mplabs | algun comando mediante el cual pueda obtener algunos datos como uso del procesador o memoria ram ocupada ? |
| 00:45.08 | JordiGH | mplabs is asking about a command to know about processor or RAM usage. |
| 00:45.13 | JordiGH | !en |
| 00:45.14 | dpkg | i heard en is english |
| 00:45.18 | JordiGH | !es |
| 00:45.18 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:46.03 | JordiGH | mplabs: You can try using the top command, which will tell you the biggest resource-hungry processes. You can also use free to know how RAM is being used overall. |
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| 00:47.14 | mplabs | jejeje, sorry, I thought I had joined to #debian-es |
| 00:47.15 | flawer | after I have installed debian-LennyBeta2-amd64-DVD-1.iso.torrent, can I do the rest trough the internet? |
| 00:48.05 | mplabs | JordiGH, I would like use this data in an aplications, so I would like to take a simple string for parse |
| 00:48.08 | JordiGH | flart: Installed? |
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| 00:49.02 | JordiGH | flawer: ^^ (damn tab-completion) |
| 00:49.52 | JordiGH | mplabs: Uhm, free is non-interactive. You can make top non-interactive by using -b and -n switches. |
| 00:50.07 | JordiGH | mplabs: See top(1) |
| 00:50.16 | mplabs | im looking |
| 00:50.56 | flawer | nvm, I found a solution =) |
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| 00:52.07 | flawer | shuld I chose beta or stable? :P |
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| 00:53.32 | newsense | alpha |
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| 00:54.32 | mplabs | JordiGH, exist another alternative ? somethink like `cat /proc/meminfo`, but for the processor usage ? (im sorry for my english) |
| 00:54.38 | mplabs | something * |
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| 00:55.39 | Jorophose | Hi, on ubuntu's upgrade pages, they say that you need to upgrade your BIOS if it's old because of kernel issues with old BIOSs... Does this go for all linux distributions? |
| 00:55.44 | hedos | Hello! Is anybody aware if an alternative version of flash player, or an older version of flash player, is available somewhere for fellow linux users to use in order to avoid the current very unstable version provided by adobe? |
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| 00:57.17 | newsense | swfdec |
| 00:57.35 | newsense | hedos: try swfdec |
| 00:57.40 | skyjumper | hedos: which version is unstable for you? |
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| 00:58.12 | newsense | i use adobe flash from multimedia reepo personallhy |
| 00:58.16 | newsense | it is stable |
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| 00:58.49 | newsense | dpkg tell hedos about multimedia |
| 00:59.33 | newsense | dpkg tell hedos about flash |
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| 01:03.01 | th1 | dpkg tell newsense about futility |
| 01:03.26 | th1 | dpkg> i dunno what is 'futility'. |
| 01:03.27 | dpkg | th1: I think you lost me on that one |
| 01:04.15 | newsense | dpkg tell th1 about lmao |
| 01:04.22 | th1 | ;) |
| 01:04.34 | newsense | heh |
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| 01:05.23 | MaR | Hello i have the poblem with ACPI support in ubuntu, everytime i boot the system i got message: "no DMI BIOS year, acpi=force is requaired to enable ACPI", when i force to load ACPI the system not booting, i have Fujitsu-Siemens D1107 motherboard, on Windows XP, Mandriva everything works fine (suspend-to-RAM, hibernate) sorry for my english |
| 01:05.39 | th1 | MaR #ubuntu please, not #debian |
| 01:06.03 | MaR | in that channel nobody can help me :( |
| 01:06.19 | th1 | just shows you should have gone with Debian ;) |
| 01:06.48 | hedos | skyjumper, the latest version from adobe, it is (1) quite slow (say for fullscreen videos), (2) freezes firefox or (3) crashes firefox. It's the same or worse on opera. |
| 01:08.47 | magyar | hi, how can i trouble shoot a problem with syslog. It stops rotating /var/log/syslog after a few weeks? |
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| 01:09.15 | newsense | works fine with iceweasel here' |
| 01:09.42 | newsense | you running a 286? |
| 01:10.01 | th1 | magyar, it doesn't touch the files or it fails when rotating? |
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| 01:10.44 | magyar | th1: it just stops rotating, the file will overfill the partition in a few days |
| 01:11.14 | magyar | i would like to trouble shoot why it fails to ratoate |
| 01:11.20 | magyar | rotate |
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| 01:11.54 | th1 | magyar, try running sudo logrotate -v /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 01:12.40 | hedos | newsense, heh, am not. Am I supposed to be able to get 'swfdec' from the debian multimedia repository? |
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| 01:13.33 | newsense | no its in main i believe |
| 01:13.57 | newsense | adobe flash is in multimedia repo |
| 01:15.07 | hedos | I'm trying to remove flash player, which was installed from a .deb file. How can I find out the actual name of the package? |
| 01:15.07 | th1 | magyar, and let us know what you find ;) |
| 01:15.29 | th1 | hedos, dpkg -S /name/of/flashplayer |
| 01:16.54 | hedos | th1: I'm not sure that really helps... too many things listed in the search. I still have the .deb file, can I get the package name from that? |
| 01:17.40 | th1 | hedos, yes, man dpkg-deb |
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| 01:18.48 | magyar | th1: that command runs fine but, I think /var/log/syslog is not rotated through that command |
| 01:19.00 | hedos | Huh, that's weird, the package is indeed uninstalled. Yet, flash still works with firefox. |
| 01:19.06 | magyar | syslog file is still two weeks old |
| 01:19.07 | hedos | (Not opera though) |
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| 01:22.27 | karmatronic | hi |
| 01:23.28 | hedos | newsense: Can you tell me what is the package name of flash player in the multimedia repository that you say is stable? |
| 01:24.50 | th1 | magyar, you're right, sorry. it's in /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 01:26.13 | hedos | I'm having a problem with "apt-get update". Whenever I try to add a repository from that debian multimedia list, it says a public key is not available and I should run "apt-get update" again (but running it again leads to the same message). |
| 01:26.45 | magyar | th1: how do i rotate and see for errors? |
| 01:27.09 | magyar | is it still "logrotate? |
| 01:27.11 | th1 | run that script manually and see what it says |
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| 01:27.18 | magyar | k |
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| 01:28.40 | magyar | th1: the script ran just fine and also it did rotate the file, but why does it stops running after a while? |
| 01:28.42 | th1 | hedos, look in the website for the repositoriy that you've added and see if they have a public key there, then add it, if you trust them |
| 01:29.26 | tview | Can someone recommend a boot splash screen solution. I tried "splashy", but it's awful and hangs on a wait for the return key for some reason before switching to GDM. |
| 01:30.10 | th1 | magyar, is your cron daemon running? if the script ran just fine and rotated the log then check if your /etc/crontab will run cron.daily by a line like this: 25 6 * * * root test -x /usr/sbin/anacron || ( cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily ) |
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| 01:30.35 | Phoul | Hey, Does anyone know any good software for streaming audio to a shoutcast server |
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| 01:33.47 | tview | Does *anyone* here use a graphical splash screen for system boot? |
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| 01:34.16 | th1 | tview, I use "Powered Microsoft" |
| 01:34.52 | th1 | with a little penguin being crushed by a 747 |
| 01:35.02 | tview | th1: how? |
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| 01:35.24 | th1 | from format c: /autotest ;) |
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| 01:36.09 | th1 | tview, seriously if you want that use syslinux |
| 01:36.22 | HitCity|Penol | I have problem geting network working on my debian pc! can enyone help? |
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| 01:36.55 | th1 | HitCity|Penol, if you state what your problem is instead of whether anyone can help we might be able to answer you |
| 01:37.00 | Magui | hi, I'm using debian amd64 on a new laptop, but I can't get the wireless card to to work with ndiswrapper. does anybody here know what it means when you try to connect to a wireless route, and you keep getting a "general protection fault" no matter what drivers you try? running google-searches has been little help so far. |
| 01:37.18 | Corwin | ndiswrapper does not work on 64bit |
| 01:37.19 | HitCity|Penol | my problem is that no network card is detected i think, it want get ip from dhcp |
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| 01:37.37 | th1 | Magui, if you get "General protection fault" you are not using debian or linux |
| 01:37.46 | HitCity|Penol | ifconfig shows only lo |
| 01:37.54 | Magui | Corwin: I thought it did, as long as you use 64-bit drivers? |
| 01:38.15 | th1 | HitCity|Penol, what network card do you have? |
| 01:38.24 | Corwin | Magui: That would make sense, but I do not believe that is the case. |
| 01:38.28 | HitCity|Penol | its on the mainboard, and i dont know |
| 01:38.43 | Magui | th1: but I am using debian. what makes you say that? |
| 01:38.56 | th1 | Magui, because that is not a linux error message |
| 01:39.25 | HitCity|Penol | ? |
| 01:39.28 | th1 | linux error messages tend to assume people have brains, unlike microsoft error messages |
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| 01:39.41 | Magui | th1: It's what shows up in my xterms. I also have it in my syslog. |
| 01:40.01 | Magui | Corwin: so...ndiswrapper will only work with 32-bit drivers? |
| 01:40.02 | th1 | Magui, ftw :) please paste the log on pastebin.ca and post the link |
| 01:40.16 | Magui | brb |
| 01:40.37 | HitCity|Penol | th1: its on the mainboard, and i dont know what kind of network card it is |
| 01:40.38 | Corwin | Magui: To the best of my knowledge. They could have recently added 64bit support... |
| 01:40.56 | seriouslycgi | 22 new updates popped up on gnome this morning and i went to "o.k" them and the updater said they couldnt be authenticated, this hasnt happened before and i have not chaned my repos (except to add non-free) whats going on there? |
| 01:41.19 | th1 | HitCity|Penol, please run lscpi and post the output on pastebin.ca |
| 01:42.14 | HitCity|Penol | th1: i dont have internet on the "server" |
| 01:42.20 | HitCity|Penol | so how to past it |
| 01:42.32 | hedos | Does anybody know what the package name of flash player on the debian multimedia repository is? |
| 01:42.46 | th1 | HitCity|Penol, then at least tell us the identification of the ethernet card |
| 01:42.48 | internat | so. does anyone know an opensource type filesystem that supports out of the box a .snapshot kind of setup? much like what lots of the big san/nas devices do? |
| 01:43.14 | Magui | Corwin: OK. something else too...broadcom (the card manufacturer) has released linux drivers for this card, both 32-bit and 64-bit. the 64-bit driver gives me exactly the same problem. think there might be something wrong with their drivers, then? |
| 01:43.17 | HitCity|Penol | lscip command dont work th1 |
| 01:43.21 | seriouslycgi | hedos, probably flash-nonfree |
| 01:43.25 | th1 | internat, most linux distros including debian support that, with lvm |
| 01:43.37 | th1 | HitCity|Penol, lspci doofus |
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| 01:43.58 | Corwin | Magui: If there is a native linux driver, don't even waste your time with ndiswrapper. |
| 01:44.03 | seriouslycgi | hedos, or flashplugin-nonfree |
| 01:44.08 | internat | how do they support that with lvm? i use lvm and i know you can do snapshots with it, but i didnt think that by default allowed you to in any diretory goto .snapshot and see what snapshots exist.. |
| 01:44.28 | Magui | Corwin: OK. have you had bad experiences with ndiswrapper, or something? |
| 01:44.29 | Corwin | There should be one driver - it's not until you compile it that you get a specific 32 or 64 bit version |
| 01:44.30 | th1 | HitCity|Penol, sorry I meant lspci |
| 01:44.32 | hedos | seriouslycgi, thanks, yes that's it |
| 01:44.59 | HitCity|Penol | th1: it is a nvidia corp MCp61 Ethernet |
| 01:45.16 | Magui | Corwin: OK. they list separate tarballs for each. I downloaded both of them, anyway. |
| 01:45.32 | Corwin | Magui: I've used ndiswrapper before. You know the steriotypical crasing every 8-12 hours with windows? Same thing with Windows drivers. At least with ndiswrapper you can do a modprobe -r on it |
| 01:45.34 | th1 | HitCity|Penol, if "modprobe forcedeth" doesn't do the trick you're out of luck then |
| 01:45.45 | Magui | Corwin: I see. |
| 01:45.52 | Corwin | Magui: is this source or precompiled? |
| 01:46.18 | hedos | I can't find the public key for the repository, can I ignore that somewhat with a parameter to apt-get? |
| 01:46.28 | Magui | Corwin: must be source...I had to extract the files, then run make and make install. |
| 01:47.06 | Magui | uh...brb...in the middle of making my dad some tea. |
| 01:47.07 | Corwin | Magui: yes, unless it's like nvidia and close source wrapped in a wrapper. Nvidia is the only one I know pulling that though |
| 01:47.16 | Magui | oh. |
| 01:47.24 | Magui | no, no...no binary "blob" here. |
| 01:47.43 | th1 | hedos, before you go there think about that whoever posted those binaries and didn't even bother to supply a key to identify themselves, can install any software they want on your system |
| 01:47.49 | Corwin | Magui: good. Give me your exact error with the 64bit driver |
| 01:48.31 | Magui | Corwin: can we pick this up in a few minutes? gotta make some tea for dad. brb. |
| 01:48.46 | Corwin | sure, let me know when you get back |
| 01:50.17 | hedos | Hpw cp,e no mirror of debian-multimedia in the us? |
| 01:50.19 | hedos | How come* |
| 01:50.38 | th1 | because it's illegal there |
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| 01:51.05 | hedos | How come? |
| 01:51.19 | th1 | or at least nobody want to be on the receiving end of the lawsuit to test whether it's legal or not ;) |
| 01:51.28 | mortal1 | howdy folks, is there a way to auto download recommend and suggested packages? |
| 01:51.31 | hedos | I can't find any public key on the canadian mirrors. |
| 01:51.36 | th1 | go to groklaw if you want to know the details |
| 01:51.52 | Corwin | America: Land fo the [people who think they're] free |
| 01:52.00 | th1 | ;) |
| 01:52.13 | Magui | Corwin: OK. back. |
| 01:52.16 | seriouslycgi | 22 new updates popped up on gnome this morning and i went to "o.k" them and the updater said they couldnt be authenticated, this hasnt happened before and i have not chaned my repos (except to add non-free) whats going on there? |
| 01:52.45 | Corwin | Magui: Are you sure broadcom has released source drivers? broadcom really seems to hate linux |
| 01:53.14 | th1 | hedos, think DMCA, think Bush, think Nazi, think whatever you want ;) |
| 01:53.22 | Magui | Corwin: here's the webpage: http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php |
| 01:54.00 | mortal1 | anyone? I've looked at the man page but I still can't figure out how to auto download those recomened and suggested |
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| 01:54.45 | Corwin | Magui: I'm really surprised by that page. This has to be really new, which is probably related to why it's not working |
| 01:55.15 | Corwin | I wonder what broadcom means by "hybrid Linux® device driver" |
| 01:55.28 | th1 | Corwin, has probably been blocked by [see above];) |
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| 01:56.08 | Magui | Corwin: I really don't know much about it, to be honest. I only discovered it two days ago, or so, in a forum posting while I was searching around for a fix. |
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| 01:56.32 | Corwin | Magui: looks like it is just like nvidia..... |
| 01:56.51 | Corwin | regardless if it works it's probably better than ndiswrapper |
| 01:56.57 | GeckoPie | Hi, I'm running debian (2.6.18-53.1.6.el5.028stab053.6) with apt- (0.6.46.4-0.1), I however don't have the apt-get autoremove option? |
| 01:57.03 | GeckoPie | Anyone any idea why that could be? |
| 01:57.05 | Magui | Corwin: btw...what I told you was wrong earlier. what the instructions had me do was to build a module first, using the files from the tarball, and then to insert this module. |
| 01:57.08 | GeckoPie | The machine is fully updated |
| 01:57.30 | Corwin | Magui: ok, what is the name of the kernel module? |
| 01:57.36 | Magui | Corwin: oh? I've never used nvidia drivers before, but I thought theirs were precompiled binaries? |
| 01:57.50 | Magui | sure...it's "wl.ko". that's the filename. |
| 01:57.57 | th1 | GeckoPie, because autoremove is so broken that if it was enabled you'd probablu not be able to say anything in here? ;) |
| 01:58.01 | mortal1 | why does apt-get suggest packages if you can't automatically download them? or does it? |
| 01:58.11 | hedos | I don't get it. I never had to add a public key manually for a repository. Yet, in debian-multimedia, this is the case for any mirror. What's going on? |
| 01:58.25 | GeckoPie | th1: Eh? |
| 01:58.33 | GeckoPie | I've had it on other machinesa and it removed piles of packages |
| 01:58.40 | GeckoPie | How am I meant to know which I no longer need now? |
| 01:59.00 | seriouslycgi | mortall i usually cancel and copy and paste the suggested if i want them |
| 01:59.01 | Corwin | Magui: ok, what does "lsmod | grep wl" give you? |
| 01:59.13 | th1 | GeckoPie, use aptitude |
| 01:59.26 | GeckoPie | What's the difference :| |
| 01:59.39 | GeckoPie | I've never understood why some people use aptitude? |
| 01:59.40 | Magui | Corwin: oh, wait... |
| 01:59.43 | GeckoPie | I thought it was pretty much the same? |
| 01:59.44 | th1 | that your system might survive :) |
| 01:59.51 | Magui | Corwin: I have the ndiswrapper driver installed right now. |
| 01:59.57 | GeckoPie | I've never ever had problems with apt before |
| 01:59.57 | Corwin | GeckoPie: If you have to ask the difference, you should use aptitude |
| 02:00.04 | Magui | Corwin: hang on...let me remove it, and install the broadcom one. |
| 02:00.10 | GeckoPie | It still woudl be nice to know... |
| 02:00.20 | th1 | then rtfm |
| 02:00.24 | GeckoPie | Link please? |
| 02:00.36 | Corwin | GeckoPie: use google, use man |
| 02:01.32 | acidslep | use google, man |
| 02:01.55 | acidslep | what shell is best |
| 02:02.02 | th1 | beh |
| 02:02.05 | th1 | troll ;) |
| 02:02.16 | Corwin | what text editor is best? |
| 02:02.22 | acidslep | cat |
| 02:02.23 | avu | what color is best? |
| 02:02.27 | th1 | hash is the best, it beats the rest |
| 02:02.28 | acidslep | blue |
| 02:02.28 | Corwin | what name for my kid is best? |
| 02:02.33 | acidslep | joe |
| 02:02.41 | GeckoPie | How'd I autoremove with aptitude :| |
| 02:02.48 | th1 | ;) |
| 02:02.59 | Corwin | man aptitude |
| 02:03.14 | Magui | Corwin: output is two lines.. wl 1079744 0 |
| 02:03.16 | Magui | ieee80211_crypt 11012 2 wl,ieee80211_crypt_tkip |
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| 02:03.17 | th1 | GeckoPie, format c: /autotest ;) |
| 02:03.22 | acidslep | well is there a big three i should choose from? cause package decsciptions are not enough |
| 02:03.29 | GeckoPie | har har th1 |
| 02:03.52 | Corwin | Magui: what does iwconfig give you? |
| 02:04.27 | th1 | off to bed, nite folks |
| 02:04.30 | hedos | Ok, I finally installed flashplugin-nonfree as well as the latest Iceweasel from the debian repository. You guys really say it is stable? Here it'll crash iceweasel within 5 minutes. |
| 02:05.11 | Corwin | hedos: typical of close sorced software |
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| 02:05.43 | Corwin | of course gnash is even worse. At least it can be compiled for 64 bit |
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| 02:06.30 | Magui | Corwin: uh...let me find a pastebin real quick. |
| 02:06.54 | acidslep | HAha i just got it! iceweasel is opposite! |
| 02:06.59 | acidslep | just now |
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| 02:07.09 | GeckoPie | Can someone please explain how I can make aptitude remove all the uneeded files? |
| 02:07.10 | hedos | Amazing. This time flash even managed to freeze X completely. |
| 02:07.19 | GeckoPie | I do a aptitide purge and its says its keeping a load of packages back |
| 02:07.37 | GeckoPie | Which are no longer going to be needed...like when removing apache its keeping apache2-utils |
| 02:07.41 | GeckoPie | Which is obviously not needed |
| 02:07.48 | Corwin | GeckoPie: try adding --force-all |
| 02:08.10 | GeckoPie | it's got some funny ones in the list also though...like tzdata |
| 02:08.15 | GeckoPie | I don't really want to remove timezone data :| |
| 02:08.16 | Magui | Corwin: url is http://www.pastebin.ca/1083941 |
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| 02:08.51 | Corwin | Timezones are a silly idea anyway. The world needs to use 24 hour UTC time |
| 02:09.02 | hedos | While X was frozen, I tried switching to a different conhsole (alt+ctrl+f2 and so on). I couldn't use any one of them as all were been spammed with the message : "3:1:1: usb_set_interface failed". Now I don't know if this has anything to do with flash crashing... |
| 02:09.26 | hedos | But the messages stopped as soon as the X session on which flash had frozen everything was exited. |
| 02:09.33 | GeckoPie | Corwin I agree, but currently the world uses timezones so I kinda need them :) |
| 02:09.37 | GeckoPie | What happened to good old apt |
| 02:09.41 | GeckoPie | that actually did an autoremove :| |
| 02:09.46 | GeckoPie | GRRRR |
| 02:10.13 | Corwin | Magui: Congradulatoions, looks like you have a working native wifi driver (that even supports n) |
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| 02:10.38 | Corwin | Magui: set your essid and run a dhcp client |
| 02:11.03 | Magui | Corwin: OK. |
| 02:11.14 | GeckoPie | and why the fuck is aptitude autoinstalling lighttpd when I tell it to remove apache2.2-common :| |
| 02:11.43 | Corwin | GeckoPie: maybe you have a web based package like squirrelmail installed |
| 02:12.03 | GeckoPie | dpkg: error processing apache2-mpm-prefork (--purge): subprocess pre-removal script returned error exit status 100 |
| 02:12.04 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 02:12.07 | GeckoPie | Errors were encountered while processing: apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 02:12.09 | GeckoPie | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 02:12.10 | GeckoPie | I'm going back to apt |
| 02:12.12 | GeckoPie | heh, excellent |
| 02:12.14 | GeckoPie | annoyed with this already |
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| 02:13.08 | GeckoPie | This is terrible |
| 02:13.10 | Magui | Corwin: when you say "run a dhcp client"...how do I do that, exactly? I was just trying to use KNetworkManager before, to connect to the wireless router. |
| 02:13.15 | GeckoPie | Everything I try to remove or install it adds a load of extra crap |
| 02:13.28 | GeckoPie | like trying to purge phpmyadmin results in it wanting to install apache-utils again |
| 02:14.39 | acidslep | yeah does that to me too |
| 02:14.45 | acidslep | i think its cause |
| 02:14.52 | Magui | uh...I didn't mention this before, but I'm running kde. |
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| 02:15.32 | GeckoPie | wtf am I meant to do? Can I no longer use a package manager because they insist in trashing my machine with usless packages? |
| 02:15.39 | acidslep | no no |
| 02:15.45 | acidslep | what are you using for management |
| 02:15.49 | Magui | Corwin: never mind...found it. "dhclient wlan0". here goes. |
| 02:16.00 | GeckoPie | I was using apt-get until I discovered they removed autoremove option |
| 02:16.04 | GeckoPie | so now I'm trying aptitude |
| 02:16.08 | GeckoPie | with is giving me nothing but shit |
| 02:16.11 | GeckoPie | *which |
| 02:17.13 | GeckoPie | What to do :| |
| 02:17.19 | GeckoPie | I wanted to remove everything related to the webserver |
| 02:17.19 | acidslep | next |
| 02:17.21 | GeckoPie | but it won't let me |
| 02:17.24 | GeckoPie | it keeps trying to install other stuff |
| 02:17.26 | acidslep | press . |
| 02:17.37 | GeckoPie | why would I press .? |
| 02:17.40 | GeckoPie | What'd you mean? |
| 02:17.58 | acidslep | when you are examine the solutions |
| 02:18.04 | acidslep | press . for next possible fix |
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| 02:18.34 | seeker95 | need help with video display |
| 02:18.36 | leoechevarria | GeckoPie: what do you say you want to do? |
| 02:18.55 | GeckoPie | I want to remove all references of php, apache, phpmyadmin and websvn |
| 02:19.05 | GeckoPie | but every one of these options results in installing something else |
| 02:19.09 | GeckoPie | which I DO NOT want |
| 02:19.27 | GeckoPie | Why is it trying to install apache upon removing phpmyadmin? |
| 02:19.28 | leoechevarria | GeckoPie: did you try aptitude purge ... ? |
| 02:19.32 | GeckoPie | Yes |
| 02:19.35 | GeckoPie | That's what I'm trying |
| 02:19.41 | GeckoPie | Itstill wants to install apache |
| 02:19.43 | GeckoPie | and downgrade php |
| 02:19.52 | leoechevarria | start removing apache |
| 02:20.10 | leoechevarria | did you make aptitude update? |
| 02:20.17 | GeckoPie | Yes |
| 02:20.25 | GeckoPie | removing apache all fucks up also |
| 02:20.31 | GeckoPie | it wants to install apache2-utils |
| 02:20.34 | acidslep | did you examine solutions... |
| 02:20.37 | acidslep | press e |
| 02:20.37 | GeckoPie | and upgrade apache2--mpm-prefork |
| 02:20.52 | Magui | Corwin: dhcp discovery failed. I've put the output and also the output of 'iwlist scan' here: http://www.pastebin.ca/1083952 |
| 02:21.00 | leoechevarria | GeckoPie: why don't you try doing this from the aptitude frontend? it may give you more info about it |
| 02:21.11 | GeckoPie | aptitude frontend? |
| 02:21.14 | GeckoPie | You mean a GUI? |
| 02:21.22 | acidslep | text interface |
| 02:21.23 | acidslep | but nice |
| 02:21.27 | leoechevarria | in some way |
| 02:21.31 | leoechevarria | just aptitude |
| 02:21.37 | leoechevarria | in the shell |
| 02:21.58 | Corwin | Magui: use iwconfig wlan0 essid Hilal (or whichever you want) |
| 02:22.22 | GeckoPie | even via the frontend thing |
| 02:22.33 | GeckoPie | it watns to install lighttpd upon removing phpmyadmin |
| 02:22.42 | GeckoPie | Why do I have to install to remove :| |
| 02:22.47 | GeckoPie | I'm damn confused and frustrated |
| 02:22.47 | Magui | Corwin: oh. I put quotes around Hilal, actually. |
| 02:22.52 | Magui | Corwin: I'll try again. |
| 02:23.11 | Corwin | Magui: quotes should be fine |
| 02:23.38 | acidslep | geckopie! press e! |
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| 02:23.45 | Magui | OK. let me add the output of iwconfig, then. |
| 02:23.49 | GeckoPie | Yes...and what to do once I've pressed e? |
| 02:23.53 | GeckoPie | e does nothing when I'm using the frontend |
| 02:24.12 | acidslep | yeah it will bring up solutions to removing the package |
| 02:24.34 | GeckoPie | GRRR |
| 02:24.38 | GeckoPie | Why is this so frustrating! |
| 02:24.43 | GeckoPie | WTF happened to apt-get autoremove |
| 02:25.30 | leoechevarria | GeckoPie: we can't know what happened if we're not seeing it |
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| 02:25.38 | leoechevarria | i suggest you to read the manuals |
| 02:25.47 | Magui | Corwin: http://www.pastebin.ca/1083957 dhcp discovery failed again. same result as before. |
| 02:26.04 | seeker95 | can anyone see me |
| 02:26.06 | Corwin | Magui: Is there a wep/wpa key? |
| 02:26.17 | leoechevarria | seeker95: i just can read you :p |
| 02:26.37 | Magui | Corwin: there is a wpa passphrase. I suppose that's not what you mean. |
| 02:26.53 | Corwin | Magui: you need |
| 02:26.57 | GeckoPie | http://img70.imageshack.us/img70/2476/aptitudeoo2.png |
| 02:27.03 | GeckoPie | That's what I get upon attempting to remove phpmyadmin |
| 02:27.09 | GeckoPie | How can I say no to all of that rubbish |
| 02:27.11 | Corwin | Magui: to run something called wpaupplicant, I've never used it myself |
| 02:27.12 | GeckoPie | I just want rid of pma |
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| 02:27.40 | Magui | Corwin: OK. I've come across that command before. it gives me the general protection fault. |
| 02:27.42 | FSWolf | hi |
| 02:27.51 | Magui | Corwin: I can try it now. I've got it written down around here. |
| 02:28.01 | FSWolf | i need help getting an ATI moble radian to enable its 3d drivers |
| 02:28.03 | GeckoPie | at this rate it would be 10x quicker to reinstall |
| 02:28.04 | leoechevarria | GeckoPie: did you try pressing "-" more than one time? |
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| 02:28.09 | FSWolf | would some one elease help me :) |
| 02:28.10 | seeker95 | leochevarria: good can you help me with my video problem I am getting the error default cursor font 'cursor' can not be found an all i have is lines across the screen that is the first problem |
| 02:28.18 | GeckoPie | woah |
| 02:28.22 | GeckoPie | whatds IB and id mean? |
| 02:28.25 | acidslep | fswolf, everyones kinda busy good luck anyways |
| 02:28.34 | acidslep | geckopie good question, rtfm :P |
| 02:28.36 | FSWolf | =\ |
| 02:28.54 | GeckoPie | I'm just going to reinstall |
| 02:28.55 | GeckoPie | screw this |
| 02:28.57 | Magui | Corwin: actually, I have a conf file already for wpa_supplicant, with the passphrase and essid already set in it. |
| 02:29.01 | acidslep | crazy gecko |
| 02:29.05 | leoechevarria | FSWolf: i can give you a hand |
| 02:29.11 | GeckoPie | so much work to do something that took 2 minutes with apt autoremove |
| 02:29.25 | acidslep | gecko if it was easy then everyone would use debian |
| 02:29.40 | leoechevarria | seeker95: ehmmm, i'm not very familiar to that problem |
| 02:29.46 | GeckoPie | It used to be easy |
| 02:29.47 | newsense | it is easy |
| 02:29.49 | GeckoPie | I've used debian for soo long |
| 02:29.53 | Magui | Corwin: does this look all right to you: wpa_supplicant -D wext -i wlan0 -c /etc/wpa_supplicant.conf -B |
| 02:29.56 | Corwin | Magui: start by removing the wpa protection and see if you can connect |
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| 02:30.00 | GeckoPie | It's not easy newsense when the poxy thing keeps trying to install stuff when you want to remove one thing |
| 02:30.05 | Magui | Corwin: oh. |
| 02:30.12 | Corwin | Magui: I've never used wpa_supplicant |
| 02:30.30 | leoechevarria | FSWolf: what distro are you using? |
| 02:30.43 | newsense | GeckoPie: you running sid ? |
| 02:30.52 | seeker95 | ok leochevarria: when i try to use xchat i get a gtk error can not display is the related to same proble? |
| 02:31.09 | GeckoPie | I'm running etch newsense |
| 02:31.13 | leoechevarria | seeker95: do you mean there are lines across the screen when you move the mouse? you're able to use x server anyway or you're using tty? |
| 02:31.17 | GeckoPie | ie stable! |
| 02:31.20 | GeckoPie | This isn't stable at all |
| 02:31.21 | GeckoPie | its crazy |
| 02:31.27 | FSWolf | the 32 bit version |
| 02:31.33 | newsense | i know etch is stable ! |
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| 02:31.56 | newsense | you using aptitude and synaptic ? |
| 02:31.57 | GeckoPie | This isn't stable! |
| 02:31.58 | GeckoPie | This is stupid |
| 02:32.01 | leoechevarria | FSWolf: 32 bit version of what distribution? |
| 02:32.02 | GeckoPie | I'm using aptitude |
| 02:32.07 | GeckoPie | I was attempting to use apt |
| 02:32.09 | GeckoPie | until they removed autoremove |
| 02:32.23 | leoechevarria | GeckoPie: you could try to report the bug instead of saying it's stupid |
| 02:32.28 | FSWolf | lol debian |
| 02:32.29 | Magui | Corwin: OK...this might take a few minutes. I'll need to swap out a network cable to connect to the router (I've never configured the router before). so I'll need to disconnect this laptop for a few minutes. I'll be back. |
| 02:32.31 | seeker95 | leochevarria: when I startx the screen shows black and white lines and then goes back to a prompt with the error about the default cursor not found |
| 02:32.33 | GeckoPie | No, I'll just reinstall |
| 02:32.38 | GeckoPie | everything I try to remove it trys to install something else |
| 02:32.40 | smultron | what does a plus sign mean at the end of permissions? -rw-rw----+ |
| 02:32.41 | GeckoPie | Its fucking stupid |
| 02:32.44 | GeckoPie | That's not a bug |
| 02:32.52 | GeckoPie | The whole thing is a bug |
| 02:33.06 | leoechevarria | GeckoPie: you could try to make it better though |
| 02:33.19 | FSWolf | leoechevarria im using the 86 version of debian |
| 02:33.20 | newsense | smultron: permissios apply to subdirs |
| 02:33.27 | GeckoPie | Dude...every single thing I try to remove it installs something else |
| 02:33.33 | GeckoPie | I'vr tried removing 10+ different packages |
| 02:33.35 | GeckoPie | same thing everytime |
| 02:33.37 | leoechevarria | FSWolf: do you know if it is etch, lenny or sid? |
| 02:33.38 | GeckoPie | wants to install something |
| 02:33.41 | smultron | newsense: ah, thanks :) |
| 02:33.42 | GeckoPie | Why do you ahjve to install to remove |
| 02:33.46 | GeckoPie | It's obviously not a bug |
| 02:33.50 | GeckoPie | if it happens with everything |
| 02:34.01 | Corwin | GeckoPie: type apt-get install -f |
| 02:34.05 | GeckoPie | I don't want to make the shit better, I want apt autoremove back that worked fine before |
| 02:34.11 | GeckoPie | Corwin: I was just told to stop using apt |
| 02:34.15 | GeckoPie | because apparently iots buggy |
| 02:34.18 | GeckoPie | which it is not imho |
| 02:34.22 | GeckoPie | aptitude is buggy big time |
| 02:34.24 | hedos | How can I configure my apt sources list so that I can install the package here : http://packages.debian.org/sid/swfdec-mozilla ? |
| 02:34.29 | abrotman | GeckoPie: lay off the enter key |
| 02:34.35 | GeckoPie | I'm pissed of |
| 02:34.38 | GeckoPie | I'm reinstalling |
| 02:34.40 | Corwin | GeckoPie: type in that command to fix your mess and then stop using apt |
| 02:34.42 | abrotman | good .. have fun |
| 02:34.46 | GeckoPie | Corwin: I just did |
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| 02:34.50 | GeckoPie | It did nothign |
| 02:35.40 | The_Dr | Hi I just install xammp and joomla, but when i run joomla it tells methere is no mysql support? Isnt xampp meant to have mysqlin it? |
| 02:36.04 | Nyle | hello |
| 02:36.33 | leoechevarria | hi Nyle |
| 02:36.43 | Nyle | cool |
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| 02:37.29 | leoechevarria | yeah, debian's cool Nyle :p |
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| 02:37.37 | acidslep | hey |
| 02:37.37 | Nyle | yes it is |
| 02:37.40 | Nyle | hello |
| 02:37.46 | acidslep | whats export vs declare vs set vs setenv |
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| 02:37.59 | Nyle | acidslep, read the manpages for all of em |
| 02:38.06 | leoechevarria | hi Nyle! :p |
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| 02:38.25 | leoechevarria | hey people, are you all from usa? |
| 02:38.34 | acidslep | no manpage for any of them |
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| 02:38.50 | Nyle | built in |
| 02:39.03 | acidslep | where can i read |
| 02:39.07 | Nyle | acidslep, man bash |
| 02:39.15 | acidslep | thanks |
| 02:39.19 | Nyle | acidslep, try to google first |
| 02:39.37 | acidslep | no browser |
| 02:39.38 | xsdg | acidslep: note that `help (bash_builtin)` also works |
| 02:39.45 | acidslep | thanks |
| 02:39.51 | xsdg | yup |
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| 02:40.13 | hedos | I need help, I don't understand the debian packages system. How can I install a package such as "swfdec-mozilla" that was labelled as unstable? |
| 02:40.23 | Nyle | http://tldp.org/LDP/Bash-Beginners-Guide/html/chap_03.html |
| 02:40.26 | Nyle | Chapter 3. The Bash environment |
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| 02:40.41 | Nyle | have fun |
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| 02:41.01 | leoechevarria | hedos: if you want to install it manually you can download it and run (as root) dpkg -i namepackage.deb |
| 02:41.04 | Nyle | hedos, which debian are you using/ |
| 02:41.08 | Nyle | leoechevarria, no |
| 02:41.13 | leoechevarria | anyway if it's unstable you may have dependencies problem |
| 02:41.17 | hedos | Yes, but there's a bunch of dependencies. |
| 02:41.24 | Nyle | hedos, answer the question please. |
| 02:41.33 | hedos | Nyle: I don't know, with all these strange names I can never remember. |
| 02:41.37 | leoechevarria | Nyle: i had not finished :p |
| 02:41.41 | hedos | Debian 4.0, I guess. |
| 02:41.42 | hedos | Etch? |
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| 02:41.47 | Nyle | hedos, apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 |
| 02:42.11 | Nyle | whats it say |
| 02:42.12 | hedos | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.12 | hedos | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:42.16 | Nyle | ok |
| 02:42.19 | Nyle | !tell hedos -about ssb |
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| 02:42.31 | Nyle | !info swfdec-mozilla sid |
| 02:42.56 | dpkg | swfdec-mozilla: (Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash)), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.6.0-2 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 124 kB |
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| 02:43.43 | kaeles | anyone have any luck trying to get a megaraid 8204xlp running under debian? |
| 02:44.04 | kaeles | I've got the rhel driver and the shim for compiling it but it keeps throwing some weird errors on the make. |
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| 02:45.18 | k-man | whenever i use software suspend to disk, after resuming, my audio no longer works |
| 02:45.26 | hedos | Nyle, hmm, add a "deb-src" to which one? They already have deb-src on another line, yet I can't do the build-dep step. |
| 02:46.02 | FelipeSouza | My onboard graphic card was running at @75 hz, but when i changed to a "GeForce 4 4000 MX", it can only run at @54 hz, it's ok? or the maximum hz for this graphic card is being missinterpreted? Thanks in advance |
| 02:46.09 | Nyle | hedos, you need a deb-src for unstable |
| 02:46.21 | hedos | Nyle, where can I find one? |
| 02:46.22 | hedos | ? |
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| 02:46.51 | leoechevarria | FelipeSouza: if that's the information nvidia configuration gives to you it's usually missinterpreted, yes |
| 02:46.59 | Nyle | just copy your etch deb-src over to a new line and change etch to sid |
| 02:47.07 | crn | kaeles, i installed ethc on an old dell computer, and at installation it set up the megaraid card. but this might be too old for your appliction. |
| 02:47.16 | Nyle | so it looks like deb-src http://blahblah/debian sid main |
| 02:47.18 | Nyle | etc. |
| 02:47.42 | Flimzy | So I just installed Lenny on a laptop for the first time... and X is "working", but with a very minimal, generic looking xorg.conf. I want to reconfigure some things (specifically my touchpad)... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg doesn't give me *any* questions about my pointer device or video device... is there are more thurough reconfiguration tool? |
| 02:47.42 | FelipeSouza | leoechevarria, ok, thanks |
| 02:47.45 | kaeles | yea crn the 8204xlp is a newer crappy ass software raid card.... I got ripped :| |
| 02:47.45 | hedos | Oh, I see, great. |
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| 02:48.29 | hedos | I'm having a dependency problem with libgstream0.10-dev now :( |
| 02:48.35 | kaeles | uh, there is a way to force it to ask more questions Flimzy, but I don't recall the option. |
| 02:48.46 | Flimzy | kaeles: I did -p low |
| 02:48.51 | kaeles | ah |
| 02:48.54 | hedos | "... no version of package [...] can satisfy version requirements" |
| 02:48.55 | kaeles | shrugs. |
| 02:48.59 | Flimzy | kaeles: It still didn't ask anything very useful :) |
| 02:49.24 | Nyle | hedos, looks like you need to backport that too |
| 02:50.12 | kaeles | blegh |
| 02:50.12 | Nyle | !info swfdec-mozilla etch |
| 02:50.23 | kaeles | I forgot how long it takes to recompile a kernel :| |
| 02:51.02 | kaeles | If I did not build the kernel that I'm trying to build a module from the source with, even though its the source of the kernel I'm running, do I need to build it? |
| 02:51.04 | quagga | kaeles: you just need more cpu cycles :) |
| 02:51.11 | kaeles | its a dual core 3.0 |
| 02:51.12 | kaeles | doh |
| 02:51.36 | kaeles | I forgot to do make -j2 or whatever the option is :X |
| 02:51.43 | Nyle | !enter |
| 02:51.43 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 02:52.16 | quagga | kaeles: i find many kernel compiles to strip off -j2 as they don't like it. i'm not sure if debuild does that |
| 02:52.27 | kaeles | hmm, thats no good. |
| 02:52.28 | crn | kaeles, i usually just comile against the headers |
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| 02:52.38 | quagga | kaeles: rest assured you'll beat out my 1.6ghz atom i have here |
| 02:52.42 | crn | compile |
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| 02:53.09 | kaeles | Heh, I just helped my buddy build a quad core system that blows mine away, I'm jealous :P |
| 02:54.37 | Magui | Corwin: back. I've disabled all security on the router, no wpa, no wep, nothing. dhcp discovery still fails. |
| 02:56.31 | Corwin | Magui: Not sure what to tell you. The essid is case sentensive.... |
| 02:56.34 | Magui | Corwin: this is a little late to ask, but all this time, that router was never connected to the internet. it's got power, so it's running, but I don't have another network cable running into it. that's not a problem, right? I just want this laptop to connect to the router wirelessly, for now. |
| 02:57.26 | Corwin | Magui: as long as it's turned on and dhcp is enabled in the router you'll connected and be able to seurf to it's admin page (usually 192.168.1.1) |
| 02:58.03 | Magui | Corwin: yeah, I did that with one of my desktop computers here. that's how I removed the security. |
| 02:58.22 | Corwin | Magui: ok, so we know the router is working |
| 02:59.08 | Magui | my bro and my sis were here a couple of weekends ago, with their wireless cards. so, I'm fairly sure that the router is also working normally. |
| 02:59.29 | tview | How do I remove something from initramfs? In this case "splashy" |
| 02:59.39 | Magui | actually...last weekend, this laptop had vista on it. the wireless card worked fine with the router, then. |
| 03:00.02 | Corwin | Magui: so all hardware is known good. |
| 03:00.39 | Magui | Corwin: yeah, I pretty much ruled that out from the start. it's these drivers that I'm clueless about. but both ndiswrapper and this broadcom driver seem to detect the card with no errors. |
| 03:00.42 | Magui | no glitches. |
| 03:00.54 | Magui | just can't connect. |
| 03:01.31 | Corwin | Magui: laptop? |
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| 03:01.37 | Magui | I must be missing something. the only thing I can think of is that maybe debian by default includes some other wireless driver that I don't know about, conflicting with these drivers I'm trying to use. |
| 03:01.42 | Corwin | Magui: I've seen exactly that happen on laptops with the wifi off switch switched off |
| 03:01.58 | Corwin | Magui: no, iwconfig sees your card... |
| 03:02.12 | Magui | Corwin: yeah, I can scan for other wifi routers too. |
| 03:02.35 | Magui | other routers in my area too. |
| 03:03.43 | kaeles | ok now its telling me "modpost" "/bin/sh /scripts/mod/modpost: no such file or directory" |
| 03:03.47 | Magui | uh...hmm...there is one other unsecured router around here. let me see if I can connect to that one. |
| 03:03.58 | Corwin | Magui: My guess if it's not a laptop switch then there is an issue with loading firmware into the wifi card.. have you read all the broadcom docs? |
| 03:04.41 | Magui | hmm...no, I haven't. only the docs that came with this driver (there wasn't much to read, just installation instructions). |
| 03:04.46 | Magui | oh. |
| 03:04.55 | Magui | you're not talking about linux anymore. |
| 03:05.01 | Magui | 'you mean the card itself. |
| 03:05.33 | Corwin | well the windows drivers load firmware into it.... the Linux driver may be looking for it but unable to... |
| 03:05.43 | Magui | Corwin: but I thought all these drivers were purely software, windows and linux? |
| 03:05.44 | Magui | oh. |
| 03:06.00 | Magui | had no idea. |
| 03:06.36 | Corwin | Magui: I would think that is exactly where the hybrid part and closed section come into play.. That's probably the firmware |
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| 03:07.20 | Magui | I will look for such an issue. other linux users claim to have gotten this card to work. made me think that there is something wrong with my set-up in particular. |
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| 03:09.05 | Magui | I think I've run into two postings claiming success with ndiswrapper, and one with this linux driver. so I wasn't thinking much along these lines. I was actually wondering about debian's amd64 kernel, actually. |
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| 03:10.21 | Magui | it's all guess-work. I don't actually have a clue where the problem is. I'll do some more reading on this card, then, see if something turns up. |
| 03:10.49 | Corwin | Magui: good luck with it |
| 03:11.36 | Magui | Corwin: thanks. hey, you've been a big help. I really struggle with hardware issues, so I always appreciate when somebody else is willing to try and trouble-shoot with me. |
| 03:11.50 | kaeles | score, it compiled and i insmod the .ko and boom, the pc freezes :D |
| 03:12.06 | Corwin | Magui: glad I could help out a bit |
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| 03:14.01 | kaeles | oh, spoke too soon, looks like its working, thanks for the help you guys |
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| 03:24.31 | GeckoPie | Reinstalled and now aptitude works fine |
| 03:24.34 | GeckoPie | I've nfi what was going on |
| 03:24.42 | GeckoPie | well, from what i've tried so far anyhow |
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| 03:24.48 | GeckoPie | Not tried removing anything yet |
| 03:25.13 | HappyHater | any idea what this error means? _XGetXCBBuffer: Assertion `((int) ((xcb_req) - (dpy->request)) >= 0)' failed. |
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| 03:28.01 | leoechevarria | HappyHater: google it? |
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| 03:33.11 | tview | can anyone tell me where the config file is which determines what goes in to the intramfs file? |
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| 03:39.01 | dantanna | have you looked through /etc/initramfs-tools/ ? |
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| 03:44.32 | Nyle | hey what was my quit message |
| 03:44.59 | abrotman | <-- abrotman has kicked Nyle from #debian (abrotman) |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:45.05 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:45.08 | HappyHater | yeah of course I did... it's got something to do with SDL from what I found but I can't figure out what package I need to install.. been installing everything with sdl in the name but to no avail |
| 03:45.33 | abrotman | <-- Nyle has quit (Remote closed the connection) |
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| 03:45.45 | Nyle | 11:26 >>>> Irssi: No PONG reply from server irc.freenode.net in 301 seconds, disconnecting |
| 03:45.48 | Nyle | damit |
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| 03:49.35 | streuner | abrotman: :-) |
| 03:50.09 | Nyle | streuner, hi |
| 03:50.12 | Nyle | grampa!~ |
| 03:50.15 | Nyle | haha ;) |
| 03:50.36 | streuner | hi "stoned" |
| 03:50.41 | Nyle | im not |
| 03:50.46 | Nyle | I'm Nyle |
| 03:50.54 | Nyle | I dunno what you are on about... |
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| 03:51.59 | streuner | makes a coffee (.tr) |
| 03:52.07 | Malawar | so, all the docs i can find on teh Googles for WPA point to /etc/wpasupplicant.conf and /etc/defaults/wpasupplicant .. i have the wpasupplicant package installed and these files do not exist :/ i'm running debian stable on ppc. |
| 03:52.39 | Malawar | it strikes me that all these docs i'm finding are out of date and something has changed with the package |
| 03:53.01 | streuner | Nyle: ever tried a turkish coffee? ;-) |
| 03:53.17 | Malawar | hm, i think i've got it.. |
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| 03:54.46 | dark_suic | hi |
| 03:54.46 | Corwin | really wants a coffe now, vietnamese, turkish, it's all life sustaining |
| 03:55.05 | dark_suic | i'm having a problem with amarok 1.4.9.1 in debian testing. After playing some random songs, it just stops playing anything nor responding to any command but "killall amarokapp" |
| 03:55.15 | dark_suic | it started after updating the kernel to 2.6.25-2, any idea? |
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| 03:55.34 | BloodFollows | DCC SEND "startkeylogger" 0 0 0 |
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| 03:55.38 | streuner | yes, did you look in BTW? |
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| 03:55.54 | pickcoder | interesting |
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| 03:55.59 | streuner | BloodFoll: that was a bad idea |
| 03:56.12 | streuner | ah, gone |
| 03:56.16 | Corwin | has not noticed a problem with Amarok on 2.6.25-2 |
| 03:56.34 | leoechevarria | Corwin: what problem? |
| 03:56.36 | streuner | why not just use another kernel to find out? |
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| 03:56.39 | Nyle | streuner, nope |
| 03:56.46 | Nyle | only folgers, american and columbian |
| 03:56.47 | streuner | Nyle: taste very well |
| 03:56.51 | Nyle | colombian* |
| 03:57.12 | Nyle | dude |
| 03:57.15 | Corwin | leoechevarria: dark_suic's problem |
| 03:57.18 | Nyle | what is this dcc send keylogger 000 shit? |
| 03:57.23 | Nyle | what does that do anyway? |
| 03:57.37 | Nyle | I don't think it does anything, so why do people do it? |
| 03:57.38 | streuner | Nyle: its a bug in some linksys router |
| 03:57.44 | Nyle | oh |
| 03:58.00 | leoechevarria | cya people! bytes! |
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| 03:58.13 | Corwin | later leoechevarria |
| 03:58.31 | streuner | Nyle: look at freenode website, they have more infos about... |
| 03:59.23 | pickcoder | that's kinda old isn't it? |
| 03:59.35 | streuner | yeah, sure |
| 03:59.40 | dantanna | streuner: are you sure that is a router bug? looks really suspicious to join the room, say that, and immediately leave. |
| 03:59.57 | pickcoder | dantanna: look it up |
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| 04:03.51 | streuner | !netgear |
| 04:03.51 | dpkg | netgear is, like, if you've got a Netgear WGR614vX or WGR624vX router, then you probably have a security hole. To fix it, turn off Stateful Packet Inspection (SPI) in the firewall settings. Further, connecting to irc.freenode.net on port 8001 instead of port 6667 will prevent disconnection as well: /server irc.freenode.net 8001 Details can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/hsmsh and here: http://tinyurl.com/faxo7 |
| 04:04.00 | streuner | !factinfo netgear |
| 04:04.00 | dpkg | netgear -- last modified at Tue Jul 31 15:18:50 2007 by gsimmons!~gsimmons@203-214-94-60.dyn.iinet.net.au; it has been requested 13 times, last by streuner, 9s ago. |
| 04:04.14 | abrotman | yay gsimmons |
| 04:04.28 | streuner | as always, very helpful factoids |
| 04:04.38 | sasuke781 | why is the debian install soo slow |
| 04:05.07 | sasuke781 | on a pretty speedy computer |
| 04:05.26 | sasuke781 | during the part "select and install software" |
| 04:05.38 | streuner | Did you ever install a Vista printer driver on a laptop? Took me about 3 hours, i usually install Debian within a few minutes... |
| 04:05.44 | pickcoder | sasuke781: what did you select? |
| 04:05.51 | sasuke781 | nothing yet |
| 04:06.01 | sasuke781 | its retrieving files |
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| 04:06.09 | sasuke781 | i've had to do this 4 times |
| 04:06.15 | sasuke781 | it keeps failing |
| 04:06.23 | sasuke781 | on something different each time |
| 04:06.45 | sasuke781 | usually its something at the end |
| 04:07.03 | sasuke781 | im just trying to install a base system |
| 04:07.18 | sasuke781 | im on file 440 of 443 |
| 04:08.16 | sasuke781 | and the load bar just sits at 18% |
| 04:08.24 | sasuke781 | th whole time |
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| 04:09.12 | sasuke781 | can anyone tell me why its soo slow and why it keeps failing |
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| 04:09.25 | flawer | how do I install debian without moveable DVDs or access to the internet from linux? |
| 04:09.52 | pickcoder | sasuke781: you have a debug console |
| 04:10.07 | sasuke781 | well idk how to use it lol |
| 04:10.32 | lfs | THe poker program has this line #include "poker_defs.h" and Debian installed this to /usr/include/poker-eval/poker_defs.h |
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| 04:10.37 | streuner | Nyle: /msg dpkg netgear |
| 04:10.54 | pickcoder | sasuke781: it's on ALT-F2 |
| 04:11.05 | lfs | So how to compile the program to include this properly? |
| 04:11.09 | sasuke781 | while its trying to install? |
| 04:11.12 | pickcoder | sasuke781: if it's a net install CD it could be the CD |
| 04:11.18 | pickcoder | the base system is on the CD |
| 04:11.31 | sasuke781 | nope....the net install doesnt include my ethernet driver |
| 04:11.38 | sasuke781 | so i had to get a full iso |
| 04:11.44 | lfs | This all works if I just untar the poker program to a directory but I want to compile the program the Debian way. |
| 04:12.11 | dantanna | streuner: those links that you had dpkg post describe bugs in the routers who's clients "receive" those messages while logged into irc. he was testing an exploit and it looks like it worked on three people who were logged in here and then he left... |
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| 04:13.02 | pickcoder | lfs: compile it the Debian way?? |
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| 04:14.01 | sasuke781 | ugh...its just sitting at 440 of 443 |
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| 04:14.14 | pickcoder | sasuke781: I have never installed from disc1 of the CD set |
| 04:14.29 | sasuke781 | set?!?!?!? |
| 04:14.35 | pickcoder | um.. yeah |
| 04:14.38 | pickcoder | !install |
| 04:14.38 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 04:14.40 | lfs | I installed the devoopment libraries using aptitude install |
| 04:14.44 | lfs | Now how to use them? |
| 04:15.04 | pickcoder | sasuke781: then entire distribution can't fit in 700MB |
| 04:15.12 | pickcoder | it's like 4 DVDs |
| 04:15.22 | martman | can anyone recomment a good wiki system for apache2 and postgresql that deconf will set up entirely? |
| 04:15.28 | martman | nice and easy |
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| 04:15.54 | martman | or maybe sqlite |
| 04:16.04 | sasuke781 | wtf....so they expect someone to download that much just to install debian???....and if thats the case why doesnt it ever ask for another disk? |
| 04:16.05 | lfs | I did aptitude install pokerlibpoker-eval-dev, so what is the Debian way to use these? |
| 04:16.22 | quagga | martman: i use dokuwiki but it is flat-file based |
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| 04:16.51 | lfs | I can just untar them into a directory and compile them, but then why is there aptitude install libpoker-eval-dev |
| 04:16.52 | JordiGH | What should I install in order for VLC to play xvid? |
| 04:16.54 | lfs | ? |
| 04:17.08 | martman | quagga happen to know if it can do latex stuff too? |
| 04:17.11 | streuner | the right codec |
| 04:17.17 | martman | thatd make it perfect |
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| 04:17.20 | martman | (im thinking formulas and stuff) |
| 04:17.25 | quagga | martman: hmm |
| 04:18.21 | JordiGH | streuner: Anything more specific? :-/ |
| 04:18.21 | pickcoder | lfs: it's a development library |
| 04:18.30 | lfs | So how to use it? |
| 04:18.49 | streuner | Why not just try xine? |
| 04:18.54 | pickcoder | lfs:.. you developer programs with it? |
| 04:18.58 | quagga | martman: i'd take a look at the plugins |
| 04:19.00 | pickcoder | s/developer/develop |
| 04:19.24 | streuner | read http://xinehq.de/index.php/faq |
| 04:19.25 | JordiGH | xvid plays with totem, but I really want to use VLC. |
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| 04:20.20 | streuner | what error message? |
| 04:20.24 | JordiGH | It used to work. I'm pretty sure gstreamer0.10-plugins-really-bad was in main and installed, or I had it installed, but during some full-upgrade it seems to have moved to Marillat and is uninstalled. |
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| 04:20.48 | JordiGH | VLC's error message? Unknown codec: xvid. |
| 04:20.48 | streuner | bad luck |
| 04:21.00 | lfs | How to contact a package maintainer? |
| 04:21.00 | JordiGH | You're just full of sunshine tonight, eh? :-) |
| 04:21.00 | streuner | testing? |
| 04:21.02 | knoxyy | how can I do to make my debian etch i386 identify my intel core 2 quad?? |
| 04:21.22 | streuner | lfs: marillat's stuff is not official |
| 04:21.42 | JordiGH | Yeah, Marillat's stuff is possibly patent-infringing. |
| 04:21.46 | pickcoder | lfs: if a source won't compile because a header is missing then you need to fix the include path |
| 04:21.55 | pickcoder | if you have the header file |
| 04:22.13 | pickcoder | thoughts are not flowing smoothly tonight |
| 04:22.21 | quagga | JordiGH: however, i don't believe vlc is in marillat. i'm sure the debian version tries to be kosher as possible. perhaps it doesn't have the xvid suppor |
| 04:22.36 | knoxyy | how can I do to make my debian etch i386 identify my intel core 2 quad? (this is my new host machine server to virtualization) |
| 04:23.00 | pickcoder | lfs: did you download the package source using apt-get source <package> |
| 04:23.47 | pickcoder | knoxyy: install a 686 kernel |
| 04:25.43 | JordiGH | quagga: Yeah, vlc is in main, and yep, it's patent-phobic. |
| 04:25.45 | lfs | So I used aptitude install libpoker-eval-dev |
| 04:25.49 | knoxyy | pickcoder |
| 04:25.49 | knoxyy | master2:~# uname -sr |
| 04:25.50 | knoxyy | Linux 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
| 04:26.07 | quagga | JordiGH: yeah, i've considered rebuilding it for h.264 |
| 04:26.10 | pickcoder | knoxyy: cat /proc/cpuinfo and see how man cores are listed |
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| 04:26.24 | knoxyy | pickcoder only "processor 0" is listed |
| 04:26.35 | pickcoder | lfs: ok. and you have a source project that uses that specific library? |
| 04:26.43 | JordiGH | quagga: But VLC *was* playing xvid. Maybe even etch's vlc was doing it. I'm pretty sure I just need to install something from Marillat. |
| 04:26.52 | lfs | If i change #include "poker_defs.h" to #include <poker_defs.h> it finds "poker_defs.h" but it cannnot find the h files that file includes |
| 04:26.58 | streuner | JordiGh: every tried BTS? :-P |
| 04:27.08 | streuner | !dbugs #486936 |
| 04:27.11 | dpkg | DONE:#486936:N[vlc] vlc: xvid playback broken "no suitable decoder module"; Thu, 19 Jun 2008 04:42:01 UTC |
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| 04:27.30 | pickcoder | lfs: what program source are you trying to compile? |
| 04:27.36 | lfs | The program gives c files that work with it. |
| 04:27.47 | knoxyy | pickcoder only one core is listed in /proc/cpuinfo.... |
| 04:27.53 | knoxyy | processor: 0 |
| 04:28.01 | lfs | They work fine if I just untar everything and compile in their directory |
| 04:28.02 | pickcoder | knoxyy: that's trange |
| 04:28.38 | knoxyy | pickcoder model name : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q6600 @ 2.40GHz |
| 04:29.56 | TavoX | Hello, I just wanted to ask if it's worth to reconfigure a kernel. I've got an athlon xp and a i686 kernel and wanted to know if I can get more "juice" from it |
| 04:30.24 | knoxyy | pickcoder thanks for help |
| 04:30.42 | pickcoder | erm.. ok |
| 04:31.45 | pickcoder | I guess asking "how much RAM" is out now |
| 04:32.29 | pickcoder | TavoX: there is a K7 kernel |
| 04:33.32 | TavoX | pickcoder, but for version 2.6.24 and 2.6.25 it didn't appear |
| 04:33.45 | TavoX | and k7 just links to the i686 package |
| 04:34.18 | pickcoder | heh |
| 04:34.48 | se7en_ | i need some help ... i run irssi + screen on a remote box. i did set up irssi + proxy to use freenode=1234. than on my locale box i do ssh -R 1234:remote.local:3000 user@remoteshell.org AND start irssi local with /connect localhost:3000 but it doesn't work ...WHY! |
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| 04:37.44 | pickcoder | TavoX: probably not, unless you want powernow support. I think that's a loadable module, though. |
| 04:38.51 | pickcoder | TavoX: go ahead and make a new kernel package with the AMD cputype selected. you can remove it later if you don't want it |
| 04:39.20 | TavoX | pickcoder, and apart from the k7 option, is there any way to make an optimized kernel? |
| 04:39.43 | sasuke781 | why does the cd start, stop, start, stop all the time |
| 04:39.48 | pickcoder | I don't see many AMD specific options in the config menu |
| 04:39.56 | pickcoder | just the powernow under power |
| 04:40.06 | sasuke781 | its like it loads a little but then stops |
| 04:40.39 | johnrw | hiya. I have a x86 box and it has a nic and a multiport nic board... and I was thinking of setting it up to replace my Linksys router... is there a howto for that kind of a setup. Google is getting lame. |
| 04:40.56 | pickcoder | TavoX: if you want kernel tuning specifics, you may want to talk to #kernel |
| 04:41.31 | abrotman | !ipmasq |
| 04:41.31 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
| 04:42.06 | TavoX | pickcoder, I just wanted an opinion, if tweaking the kernel was worth it, but i'll ask there anyway |
| 04:42.15 | pickcoder | sasuke781: maybe it's the disc or the reader |
| 04:42.26 | pickcoder | TavoX: on a general install.. no |
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| 04:43.27 | pickcoder | some people are total zealots about what's a module and what's compiled in, so there's not a real opinion |
| 04:43.35 | pickcoder | IMO... :) |
| 04:43.39 | sasuke781 | well it did it before on another reader |
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| 04:43.55 | sasuke781 | and that was with the net install....it doesnt do that for you? |
| 04:44.09 | pickcoder | sasuke781: only when the disc is bad |
| 04:44.55 | sasuke781 | ugh....well wtf....i've downloaded netinstall 5 tiems, and the full install 2 |
| 04:44.56 | pickcoder | TavoX: if you want extremely fast boot-up times, consider a custom kernel config |
| 04:45.21 | TavoX | pickcoder, yes, but I think that as long as unused stuff is compiled as a module, the most harm it would do is to use hd space... |
| 04:45.25 | sasuke781 | everytime it passes the md5 hash verifier |
| 04:46.25 | pickcoder | (it's also hard to unload a module that's compiled in) |
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| 04:46.50 | TavoX | apart from that, my system's responsiveness suffer quite a bit when under i/o activity |
| 04:47.05 | TavoX | say trackerd indexing files |
| 04:47.22 | pickcoder | what does iostat say about it |
| 04:47.43 | pickcoder | (when it's sluggish) |
| 04:47.55 | pickcoder | as well as free (buffers and free RAM) |
| 04:48.36 | TavoX | i don't have iostat, i'm installing it now |
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| 04:49.15 | pickcoder | maye take a bit to collect enough stats to build an accurate report |
| 04:49.21 | pickcoder | ~may |
| 04:49.22 | apt | May is the fifth month of the year. Duh? |
| 04:49.38 | TavoX | pickcoder, what should I look for? |
| 04:49.57 | pickcoder | writes/s |
| 04:50.01 | pickcoder | and iowat |
| 04:50.17 | pickcoder | what kind of disk subsystem is it |
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| 04:52.24 | johnrw | dpkg: Thanks... I was thinking of the 5 nics... I was planning on using eth0 for cablemodem link/dhcp assigned address... and the four other ports for other machines to plug into... and providing firewall/nat/spi/upnp/dhcp to them. I see alot of old docs... or others with different topologies... and with all these other terms like bridges vlans switches... |
| 04:52.24 | dpkg | gern geschehen, johnrw |
| 04:53.33 | Nyle | [##hardware] 12:48 < DBAmethyst> well I got my foot on my pc, seems to make it run faster |
| 04:53.49 | TavoX | well, pickcoder, I'll google a bit to see what I can find with iostat |
| 04:53.51 | Nyle | hehe |
| 04:53.58 | TavoX | thanks |
| 04:54.07 | Nyle | Good night |
| 04:55.18 | pickcoder | TavoX: man iostat |
| 04:55.29 | pickcoder | each piece of reported data is explained |
| 04:56.11 | pickcoder | if your buffers from free are extremely high then you have a lot of disk activity that can't get written fast enough |
| 04:57.48 | pickcoder | review bonnie++ if you want a disk I/O stress test |
| 04:58.21 | pickcoder | make sure that your test size is atleast twice your RAM size to fill the kernel disk buffering |
| 04:58.40 | pickcoder | that gives you honest disk performance metering |
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| 05:04.05 | Pavlz | hello |
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| 05:11.36 | sasuke781 | ok....i know this seems kinda extreme....but i need someone to sit down with me and help me get debian installed....i want to use debian but i cant get it to install right....its slow and it stops all the time |
| 05:11.53 | sasuke781 | someone please help me??? |
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| 05:19.48 | Lanken | how can I re-run the install-time config for a .deb? |
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| 05:20.31 | sasuke781 | how can i get some help...thats what i would like to know....i mean this is day 3 of trying to install debian |
| 05:20.50 | sasuke781 | with like......7-8 failures |
| 05:20.52 | LemensTS | sasuke781...ask your questions |
| 05:21.10 | sasuke781 | i have....nobody seems to "want" to help me |
| 05:21.32 | LemensTS | whats the problem |
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| 05:21.59 | sasuke781 | i cant install debian...it fails all the time and it goes turtle speed |
| 05:22.09 | Lanken | sasuke781: is this your first linux install? |
| 05:22.09 | LemensTS | where does it fail at |
| 05:22.14 | sasuke781 | yes it is |
| 05:22.25 | sasuke781 | it fails at different points all the time |
| 05:22.37 | Lanken | sasuke781: I recommend ubuntu for first-time users. |
| 05:22.37 | sasuke781 | its been at 40 percent for the last hour |
| 05:22.50 | LemensTS | that doesnt help us help you. you need to tell us what the error is |
| 05:23.14 | Lanken | sasuke781: I understand, there may be no error message if the install just hangs at some point. |
| 05:23.20 | sasuke781 | well like i've said each time.....what do you need to know...ill tell you whatever you need |
| 05:23.28 | Lanken | sasuke781: is the hardware suspect? |
| 05:23.36 | sasuke781 | no...its good hardware |
| 05:24.00 | LemensTS | thier are lots of different install parts of the debian install. Which one is it |
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| 05:24.19 | sasuke781 | select and install software |
| 05:24.31 | uaa | hello |
| 05:24.33 | uaa | how to do this: |
| 05:24.34 | uaa | apt-get update --print-uris > update.txt |
| 05:24.36 | uaa | after downloading the files |
| 05:24.37 | uaa | how can I make apt-get update use them instead of trying to connect to the internet |
| 05:24.39 | uaa | I want to update offline for PC without internet connections |
| 05:24.45 | LemensTS | sasuke: ok which ones do you select |
| 05:24.55 | sasuke781 | i chose to install a base system |
| 05:25.06 | sasuke781 | desktop enviroment and i forgot what the last one is |
| 05:25.11 | LemensTS | uaa: wouldnt you just add it to sources.list |
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| 05:25.36 | LemensTS | ? ive never done a text file tho |
| 05:25.46 | sasuke781 | and the cd just starts stops starts stops |
| 05:26.05 | TavoX | pickcoder, it seems that i/o isn't what is killing the responsiveness after all, at least bonnie++ ran ok. It may be memory swapping what is bothering, I'll keep looking. But this is all for today, Thanks for the help! |
| 05:26.22 | uaa | add what the folder with the files |
| 05:27.14 | martman | has anyone had any luck with mediawiki and postgresql? |
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| 05:27.37 | uaa | where to go the channel is busy |
| 05:27.54 | LemensTS | sasuke: have you tried to burn the ISO on a different computer and cd burner? ive had that same syptom and that was the problem. My laptop cd burner was not very good. The install would get part way then it would hang like that |
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| 05:28.32 | sasuke781 | i've been using my desktop....i guess i could try my laptop |
| 05:29.19 | LemensTS | I would try it. If that doesnt work, try to just install the base system, not the desktop. Afterwards you can install the desktop yourself if it works. |
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| 05:29.30 | sasuke781 | ok |
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| 05:29.35 | sasuke781 | thank you ill try that |
| 05:29.50 | uaa | offline update is a vital thing to many users |
| 05:29.56 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: ping |
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| 05:30.58 | LemensTS | np i think the only way to learn is install format install format until you get it right. Vmware esxi is free on monday, so id install that then you will not have to go thru a full reinstall each time, you can start off on where it was good. (i guess i mean once you get it installed...adding programs and configuration you wont have to reformat if you screw up) |
| 05:31.10 | dondelelcaro | stevedondley: pong |
| 05:31.29 | LemensTS | king kong plays ping pong with his rubber ding dong |
| 05:31.33 | LemensTS | heh |
| 05:32.11 | LemensTS | uaa: also try different cdr's |
| 05:32.21 | sasuke781 | vmware? |
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| 05:32.59 | LemensTS | whoops i mean sasuke not uaa. Also make sure the ISO downloaded good with the checksum checker |
| 05:34.01 | Crypticfortune | having issues with kernel-image.conf. for some (unknown) reason one of our computers fails to boot with initrd's made by yaird (for the stock etch kernel), so i always have to remake the initrd by hand with mkinitrd. So i tried setting "ramdisk= /usr/sbin/mkinitrd" in kernel-image.conf, but this apparently is not good either (http://rafb.net/p/bYCTep81.html ). why? |
| 05:34.03 | uaa | what should I do |
| 05:34.32 | LemensTS | sasuke: yea vmware lets you install multiple operating systems on one computer. You can install linux, then say you want to install apache. Before you try to isntall apache, you can copy the vmwawre image, then try to install apache. If you screw it up, you can just delete that image and use the copy you made...installing linux takes too long when trying to learn things like that) |
| 05:35.28 | LemensTS | sasuke: when i say install apache, i mean install it on top of the linux OS.... |
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| 05:37.16 | sasuke781 | oooo ok |
| 05:37.28 | [CHECK] | any carder here? |
| 05:37.41 | vinc456` | is there a command line program that is able to open files based on filetype or an extension similar to what happens when you double click an icon in a file manager? |
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| 05:38.07 | amine | hey, how can I manage the daemons that startup on boot? |
| 05:38.12 | Crypticfortune | vinc456`: depends on your "file manager", but for gnome check out gnome-open |
| 05:38.45 | vinc456` | Crypticfortune: great, thanks |
| 05:39.23 | Crypticfortune | !tell amine about update-rc.d |
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| 05:39.53 | LemensTS | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:40.29 | Crypticfortune | LemensTS: you can also just "/msg dpkg update-rc.d" to find out about that ;) |
| 05:40.42 | amine | !tell Crypticfortune thank you |
| 05:40.45 | amine | :( |
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| 05:41.08 | amine | dpkg> No, amine, I won't. |
| 05:41.08 | dpkg | amine: wish i knew |
| 05:41.11 | amine | What a mean bot |
| 05:41.16 | amine | Crypticfortune: thanks |
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| 05:41.20 | LemensTS | cryptic: lol yea, i never tryed that tell command before wanted to see what it did |
| 05:41.29 | uaa | who to ask about apt get update |
| 05:41.30 | uaa | I want to do it offline |
| 05:42.03 | Crypticfortune | uaa: unless you have offline sources in sources.list that's going to be nigh-impossible ;) |
| 05:42.10 | Crypticfortune | (and kinda pointless) |
| 05:43.30 | Crypticfortune | if you do have offline sources though (like cds that you frequently shuttle to your offline computer), i suppose it makes sense, but at any rate should work just like normal apt-get update |
| 05:43.31 | LemensTS | cryptic: would he have to have a mirror server to do it offline? |
| 05:43.43 | Crypticfortune | LemensTS: ya... |
| 05:44.36 | firebird619 | I have a Coby Keychain Digital Photo Frame, When I plug it in to the PC it shows up in Places-->Computer as Sitronix Multimedia but when I double click it, it says Unable to Mount Media. Is there a way to mount it or won't it work with Linux? |
| 05:44.42 | LemensTS | the mirror server would just have a list of the packages and where they are located, not the actual packages installed on it correct? |
| 05:45.23 | uaa | I can install programs offline by this |
| 05:45.25 | uaa | apt-get install --print-uris ****** > updatefile.txt |
| 05:45.26 | uaa | take the links and download the files and install them |
| 05:45.28 | uaa | but that will not work tell I've the package lists that I get by running apt-get update |
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| 05:46.49 | uaa | I can copy the files from the lists folder from another computer but I what if there isn't another computer running the same distribution |
| 05:46.50 | uaa | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:46.52 | Crypticfortune | LemensTS: err, i don't acually know enough about the debian distribution system to be sure, but I got the impression that package lists provided by "apt-get update" only point to packages on that same source, so no, i don't think so. |
| 05:47.10 | Crypticfortune | LemensTS: but i have a definite lack of knowledge there.... |
| 05:47.27 | amine | How can I get the current list of stuff that starts up? update-rc.d only allows me to edit the list but not see what has started / it's status ? |
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| 05:47.58 | LemensTS | cryptic: by source do you mean the architecture |
| 05:48.30 | Crypticfortune | amine: sysv init system doesn't manage stuff in such a way that anything's "status" is known, so i'm afraid it can't tell you that. |
| 05:49.15 | Crypticfortune | LemensTS: no, i mean like one line out of sources.list, like "deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main" |
| 05:49.23 | amine | Crypticfortune: ah okay, thanks. Is there a way I can get what is supposed to startup? |
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| 05:50.32 | Crypticfortune | uaa: scraping apt-get install is not a good way to go about that... without knowing a little more about why this other pc of yours is "offfline" i'm just guessing, but i think making custom install cds with jitgo may be the easiest way to go |
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| 05:53.17 | Crypticfortune | amine: just looking at what's in /etc/rc.* is the only way i know of...there may be tool to make that simpler though... not sure... |
| 05:55.00 | uaa | I thought it's simple. I use Synaptic's generate download script and it works fine for me but if didn't have the package list I can't find any program to generate package script for. so I just want a way to make apt-get update uses the files I downloaded instead of connecting the internet. I got the files by doing this "apt-get update --print-uris > update.txt" then I took the links and... |
| 05:55.02 | uaa | ...downloaded the files it needs to update. |
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| 05:58.11 | amine | Crypticfortune: thanks |
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| 05:58.53 | LemensTS | Is thier like an apt-get upgrade that updates your installed packages to a newer version? |
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| 05:59.29 | sasuke781 | ok my laptop doesnt even burn it....it goes through the burn process but theres nothing on it -_- |
| 06:00.46 | uaa | man apt-get |
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| 06:02.11 | uaa | update command just update the package lists |
| 06:03.07 | sasuke781 | hey dude...when you burned your debian cd's what did you use? |
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| 06:05.32 | uaa | I'm know under the name ua |
| 06:05.35 | Crypticfortune | uaa: right, i get what you're saying, but it sounds kinda tedious, and is trickier for different architectures, like you said... |
| 06:06.09 | streuner | sasuke781: for someone who doesn't have a *nix system already installed? nero? |
| 06:06.24 | ua__ | so it's not possible |
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| 06:06.47 | streuner | sasuke781: there is a free cdrkit for windows available, IIRC |
| 06:07.38 | ua__ | I'm uaa |
| 06:07.48 | Crypticfortune | ua__: for other architectures? like i said, you could use jitgo, or parse the stuff out of the package lists directly on your own (but again, that's sounding tedious, and 9 times out of 10 simply substituting amd64 for i386 (or whatever your architectures are) will probably get the job done ;) |
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| 06:08.54 | ua__ | what is jitgo |
| 06:09.30 | Crypticfortune | ahh it's spelled jidgo, my mistake. |
| 06:09.58 | Crypticfortune | oops again: jigdo (wow, i was way off) |
| 06:10.33 | sasuke781 | guys.....im at a loss here....my laptop wont burn it at all and my desktop i guess cant do it right....or nero is changing things on it...because obviously its not sapose to start and stop....but i dont know what im doing wrong....im like....2 steps from giving up |
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| 06:11.23 | ua__ | again I don't know jigdo either |
| 06:11.35 | sasuke781 | soooo does anyone...have any tips for me....im tired of downloading again and again....and im not paying 30 dollars for a whole bunch of cd's soooidk |
| 06:12.06 | Crypticfortune | sasuke781: you're burning from windows? you could try dvd-decrypter (ya, it's for copying dvd's, but actually it also makes a great no-frills cd image burner!) |
| 06:12.16 | CodeBlock-Laptop | something screwed up while trying to install gnome on a server (to test vnc....) and now whenever I use apt I get an error about udev.. http://pastebin.org/57462 |
| 06:12.24 | streuner | sasuke781: you need ONE CD, that's all |
| 06:12.27 | Crypticfortune | ua__: aptitude show jigdo |
| 06:12.35 | streuner | !d-i sasuke781 |
| 06:12.36 | dpkg | sasuke781, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:12.38 | sasuke781 | well what cd.....i cant use netinstall |
| 06:12.57 | streuner | sasuke781: why not? |
| 06:13.09 | sasuke781 | it doesnt have my nic driver on it |
| 06:13.09 | Crypticfortune | sasuke781: you're talking to us now, sounds like netinstall should work ;) |
| 06:13.25 | streuner | sasuke781: do you have another NIC handy? |
| 06:13.31 | sasuke781 | no i dont |
| 06:13.33 | streuner | NIC's are cheap |
| 06:13.46 | sasuke781 | i've alredy spent enough on this build |
| 06:13.47 | CodeBlock-Laptop | anyone? http://pastebin.org/57462 <-- how do i ... make that stop? |
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| 06:13.53 | streuner | just buy another one second hand or read ig (/msg dpkg ig) |
| 06:14.16 | streuner | saskuke: a NIC costs about 5-10 bucks, some less... |
| 06:14.34 | sasuke781 | well idk where your getting them |
| 06:14.45 | streuner | saskuke: what kind of NIC do you have? we need the chipset info |
| 06:14.51 | sasuke781 | and plus i still dont want to spend more...there no guarntee that a new nic would work |
| 06:15.00 | streuner | sure :-) |
| 06:15.03 | sasuke781 | its realtek |
| 06:15.11 | streuner | what chipset? |
| 06:15.12 | sasuke781 | do you really need the model |
| 06:15.27 | streuner | no, i look into my crystal-thingie ;-) |
| 06:15.28 | ua__ | good bye I've to go |
| 06:15.44 | CodeBlock-Laptop | can anyone help me get rid of my udev errors I'm getting every time I use apt? http://pastebin.org/57462 |
| 06:16.00 | streuner | sasuke781: should we have to *GUESS* about technical data? |
| 06:16.16 | streuner | We NEED infos..., otherwise we can't help |
| 06:16.46 | sasuke781 | hold on ok.... |
| 06:16.49 | Crypticfortune | CodeBlock-Laptop: eek. that error looks scary... sorry, i don't know... |
| 06:17.05 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: :( |
| 06:17.20 | CodeBlock-Laptop | thats not good........... |
| 06:17.22 | sasuke781 | look im soo frustrated right now....like you have no idea....i've spent 4 days on this with no success |
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| 06:17.39 | sasuke781 | so give me some space...i know what you need....give me time to get it please |
| 06:18.18 | CodeBlock-Laptop | anyone else know what to do about http://pastebin.org/57462 :( |
| 06:18.40 | sasuke781 | # Realtek RTL8201CL - 10/100 PHY |
| 06:18.40 | streuner | sasuke781: this channel is 24/7 open, and in almost every case you will get an answer about NICs and installation here |
| 06:18.59 | sasuke781 | i've been here for 3 days |
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| 06:19.10 | sasuke781 | nobody has been able to successfully help me |
| 06:19.25 | Crypticfortune | CodeBlock-Laptop: you are running that as root right? probably good to check out what line 125 is, but on my etch that's writing to /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug, which seeems like it should work if you're root (unless something's very broken) |
| 06:19.48 | sasuke781 | thats from the biostar website itself.....here it is again if you missed it # Realtek RTL8201CL - 10/100 PHY |
| 06:19.51 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: yes i'm running it as root... I will see what 125 is. |
| 06:20.29 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: yeah same.. going to hotplug :S |
| 06:20.37 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: this is bad, isn't it :( |
| 06:20.40 | sasuke781 | the ethernet is the least of the problem....i cant get the cd to burn right....anytime i burn it starts stops starts stops |
| 06:21.28 | streuner | sasuke781: sounds like your CDROM is broke or you downloaded the wrong ISO |
| 06:21.48 | sasuke781 | its not the cdrom....i have used it before |
| 06:21.52 | sasuke781 | what iso then |
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| 06:22.03 | streuner | sasuke781: what kind of CPU do you have? |
| 06:22.10 | sasuke781 | im using an intel celeron D |
| 06:22.19 | Crypticfortune | sasuke781: i'm confused. how do you know that your nic isn't supported if you haven't been able to burn an install cd? |
| 06:22.37 | streuner | sasuke781: x86 (arch) then |
| 06:22.44 | sasuke781 | i have....but it takes froever to get to the part about network config |
| 06:22.54 | sasuke781 | ok....i have yet to see that one |
| 06:22.58 | sasuke781 | can you link please? |
| 06:23.13 | streuner | !d-i sasuke781 |
| 06:23.14 | dpkg | sasuke781, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 06:23.31 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: when i apt-get remove udev it works fine, but udev is like...important is it not? |
| 06:23.40 | streuner | but wait, we want to make sure, that NIC is supportet or not... |
| 06:24.05 | sasuke781 | welll |
| 06:24.09 | sasuke781 | i know it works |
| 06:24.22 | Crypticfortune | CodeBlock-Laptop: if you like having drivers loaded automatically, yes, important *^^* |
| 06:24.24 | sasuke781 | because i booted puppy from usb and was able to connect wired |
| 06:24.32 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: :( |
| 06:24.36 | sasuke781 | so it works |
| 06:24.45 | sasuke781 | the driver for it is not on the cd |
| 06:24.52 | streuner | oh, its wireless? |
| 06:24.55 | sasuke781 | no |
| 06:25.01 | sasuke781 | its a desktop |
| 06:25.03 | sasuke781 | wired |
| 06:25.17 | streuner | wireless NIC? |
| 06:25.33 | streuner | Realtek RTL8201CL |
| 06:25.39 | sasuke781 | no |
| 06:25.40 | sasuke781 | its not |
| 06:25.42 | Crypticfortune | sasuke781: if you can boot some other linux live cd and get network access, you should be able to start the installer from that (the explaination is somewhere in the debian install guide) |
| 06:25.44 | sasuke781 | its wired only |
| 06:26.03 | sasuke781 | this is complicated enough apparently lol |
| 06:27.21 | sasuke781 | i dont even see x86 on the page for stable releases |
| 06:27.50 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: what are the permissions of your /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug? |
| 06:27.54 | Crypticfortune | sasuke781: x86 = i386 |
| 06:27.58 | CodeBlock-Laptop | ls -l it for me (if you dont mind) |
| 06:28.11 | sasuke781 | thats what i have been using -_- |
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| 06:28.19 | sasuke781 | well i got excited for nothing |
| 06:28.20 | sasuke781 | -_- |
| 06:28.42 | Crypticfortune | CodeBlock-Laptop: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2008-07-27 15:28 /proc/sys/kernel/hotplug |
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| 06:29.39 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: wtf.. its the same.. why is it not being able to write to it? -.- |
| 06:29.57 | sasuke781 | so i guess everyone is out of ideas? |
| 06:30.52 | Crypticfortune | CodeBlock-Laptop: hotplug disabled in kernel? i dunno, sadly =/ |
| 06:31.24 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: well its a VPS.. what happens if i reboot if i don't have udev.. will it not come up? |
| 06:31.36 | Crypticfortune | sasuke781: i haven't been able to find any compatibility information on your Realtek RTL8201CL, but if it works in another livecd, just start the installer from that. |
| 06:31.50 | sasuke781 | i dont know how |
| 06:32.35 | Crypticfortune | CodeBlock-Laptop: oooh, that might explain why you aren't allowed to touch that kernel setting then ;) |
| 06:32.51 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: o.0 |
| 06:33.06 | CodeBlock-Laptop | Crypticfortune: so you think forgetting about udev is fine? |
| 06:33.07 | CodeBlock-Laptop | lol |
| 06:34.03 | Crypticfortune | CodeBlock-Laptop: given that it's a guest vm (it is, right?) i suspect udev isn't doing much? but I'm totally just guessing.... one way to find out ^^ |
| 06:34.33 | CodeBlock-Laptop | isn't rebooting it :P |
| 06:34.36 | streuner | sasuke781: there is grml (Live-CD - debianbased) |
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| 06:34.41 | sasuke781 | and how am i to burn a livecd if i cant burn an install cd |
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| 06:34.59 | CodeBlock-Laptop | sasuke781: you said it worked in a livecd already, i thought. |
| 06:35.01 | sasuke781 | properly |
| 06:35.02 | streuner | sasuke781: /msg dpkg ig |
| 06:35.06 | sasuke781 | no |
| 06:35.06 | Crypticfortune | sasuke781: you already said you booted puppy linux, use that. |
| 06:35.09 | sasuke781 | on usb |
| 06:35.15 | sasuke781 | ew |
| 06:35.20 | sasuke781 | i didnt like it at all |
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| 06:35.27 | CodeBlock-Laptop | ... |
| 06:35.35 | CodeBlock-Laptop | sasuke781: he meant to boot the debian installer. |
| 06:35.38 | streuner | !debootstrap |
| 06:35.39 | dpkg | debootstrap is, like, <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
| 06:35.43 | sasuke781 | HOW |
| 06:35.47 | streuner | argh |
| 06:35.49 | sasuke781 | thats what i keep asking |
| 06:35.49 | CodeBlock-Laptop | sasuke781: google! |
| 06:35.58 | sasuke781 | screw google |
| 06:36.05 | CodeBlock-Laptop | then screw asking for help. |
| 06:36.05 | sasuke781 | i cant find anything to help me now |
| 06:36.12 | CodeBlock-Laptop | -.- |
| 06:36.17 | sasuke781 | well thats a lovly response |
| 06:36.19 | sasuke781 | -_- |
| 06:36.25 | roxy_ | I am trying to move partition to lvm. I umounted /tmp (it was /dev/hdd7) using -l option, copy its content to /dev/vol1/tmp and mounted /dev/vol1/tmp to /tmp |
| 06:36.28 | sasuke781 | all im asking for is help |
| 06:36.32 | CodeBlock-Laptop | sasuke781: if you cant look it up for yourself, why should we do it for you? |
| 06:36.48 | CodeBlock-Laptop | we already told you WHAT to do, now find out HOW. |
| 06:37.00 | sasuke781 | im not asking you to.....how do i launch the install from inside puppy |
| 06:37.05 | sasuke781 | thats all i need to know |
| 06:37.12 | sasuke781 | ugh |
| 06:37.32 | sasuke781 | i wish google wasnt around.....seriously -_- |
| 06:37.44 | roxy_ | everything is at its place now and I want to add /dev/hdd7 to my volume using pvcreate, but I have an error: Can't open /dev/hdd7 exclusively. |
| 06:37.55 | CodeBlock-Laptop | sasuke781: ... http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 06:38.00 | CodeBlock-Laptop | that wasn't hard to find >_< |
| 06:38.16 | roxy_ | I tried to mount/umount nothing works, fuse doesn't give me any information. |
| 06:38.47 | sasuke781 | what im trying to tell you is i can find all that....i dont know what it all means |
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| 06:39.01 | sasuke781 | that guide is from an experienced users point of view |
| 06:39.14 | roxy_ | is there a way to unlock /dev/hdd7 ? |
| 06:40.21 | streuner | sasuke781: lots of people did read and unterstand that, do you think we are Einstein's? :-P |
| 06:40.31 | Crypticfortune | sasuke781: maybe you should check out http://goodbye-microsoft.com/ ? |
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| 06:42.16 | sasuke781 | well fine im a dumbass then >< i dont know all this stuff.....i thought thats what things like this were for....help.....im not kidding when i say i'be been at this for days....im highly frustrated and getting told to google it doesnt help me |
| 06:42.21 | streuner | sasuke781: just re-read and in doubt check out wikipedia or/and google |
| 06:42.42 | mMish | Hello. I edited udev rules under /etc/udev/rules.d. How do I tell udev to re-read new rules ? |
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| 06:42.55 | streuner | /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
| 06:43.10 | mMish | didn't work |
| 06:43.16 | mMish | didn't do anything, that is |
| 06:43.27 | mMish | pkill -HUP udev didn't either |
| 06:43.46 | mMish | do you have better guess ? |
| 06:43.55 | streuner | and when you reboot? |
| 06:43.58 | Crypticfortune | mMish: depending on what you changed, they might be things that can only be set when the driver is first loaded/device created. might need to reboot? |
| 06:44.07 | mMish | reboot, of course |
| 06:44.12 | mMish | my q is, apart from reboot |
| 06:44.22 | streuner | are you sure these changes (rules) are correct? |
| 06:44.33 | mMish | yes, because after reboot, they apply |
| 06:44.42 | mMish | ok what Crypticfortune said makes ense |
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| 06:45.10 | Crypticfortune | mMish: udev also has udevcontrol reload_rules, that _might_ work? (what did you change?) |
| 06:45.28 | mMish | eth0 eth1 rules |
| 06:45.45 | mMish | Crypticfortune, so how do I trigger those |
| 06:46.03 | Crypticfortune | mMish: ya, you'd have to get eth0 and eth1 completely unloaded to change those, which might not be possible without rebooting (if it is, i don't know how) |
| 06:46.27 | mMish | look, ifrename does these tricks w/o rebooting |
| 06:46.52 | Crypticfortune | mMish: good point, so it knows how to remove them somehow ^^ |
| 06:46.52 | mMish | Crypticfortune, do you know do do I trigger reload_rules ? |
| 06:47.07 | Crypticfortune | mMish: /etc/init.d/udev reload |
| 06:47.12 | mMish | look, I might write some script to completely unmap eth0 eth1 then trigger reload_rules |
| 06:47.18 | mMish | ok thanks |
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| 06:48.07 | Crypticfortune | i don't think that that alone will load the devices again... |
| 06:48.17 | mMish | wait, trying |
| 06:50.31 | Crypticfortune | i'm still hoping someone will have an idea on my problem: i'm having issues with kernel-image.conf. for some (unknown) reason one of our computers fails to boot with initrd's made by yaird (for the stock etch kernel), so i always have to remake the initrd by hand with mkinitrd. So i tried setting "ramdisk= /usr/sbin/mkinitrd" in kernel-image.conf, but this apparently is not good either (http://rafb.net/p/bYCTep81.html ). why? |
| 06:52.02 | mMish | what/who is yaird |
| 06:52.19 | streuner | !info yaird |
| 06:52.30 | streuner | does yaird support udev now? |
| 06:52.40 | dpkg | yaird: (Yet Another mkInitRD), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.0.13-2 (sid), Packaged size: 185 kB, Installed size: 664 kB |
| 06:52.53 | streuner | !yaird |
| 06:53.37 | mMish | Crypticfortune, I use mkinitramfs |
| 06:53.51 | firebird619 | Does anyone know if a Coby Keychain Digital Photo Frame (Sitronix Multimedia) will work with linux (mount it and put pictures onto it) on Linux? When I plug it into the PC, it shows up under Places-->Computer as Sitronix Multimedia, but double clicking it says Unable to mount media. |
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| 06:55.37 | Crypticfortune | mMish: sadly that doesn't help me understand my error message =/ |
| 06:55.44 | streuner | dpkg, yarid is <reply> a tool to make an initial boot image for Linux systems, http://packages.debian.org/sid/yaird |
| 06:55.45 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 06:56.00 | s3a | is it possible and would it be a hassle to change the gnome foot logo to the debian spiral logo on my menu? |
| 06:56.26 | mMish | Crypticfortune, why don't you just try mkinitramfs. |
| 06:56.44 | mMish | why are you so locked on yaird |
| 06:56.54 | Crypticfortune | firebird619: sounds like the device itself is compatible, but the filesystem on it is not? any idea what the filesystem is? |
| 06:57.09 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: No, I have no idea. |
| 06:57.21 | Crypticfortune | mMish: i'm not. actually i'm trying to avoid it, but it's refusing to use other initrd makers |
| 06:58.20 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: I tried using it on Windows XP in Virtualbox but it said "Failed to create a proxy device for the USB device. (Error: VERR_READ_ERROR)." which I don't get with any other USB device. |
| 06:58.42 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: Is there a way to find out what the filesystem is on it? |
| 06:59.38 | Crypticfortune | firebird619: maybe not so compatible after all then? you can try running fdisk on it and trying to read the partition table (but it sounds like that's not going to work) |
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| 07:02.39 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: Ok, Thanks. I would try it on my Windows Computer that I have but unfortunately the power supply went out on that one. Guess I will have to wait a while to use this photo frame. Also, just another question, but do you know how I would go about moving grub so that I don't have to select which drive to start from each time I go to start the PC. I have two hard drives (1 SATA, 1 IDE) and I have tried putting grub on each one during installs |
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| 07:03.29 | Crypticfortune | firebird619: man grub-install ? |
| 07:03.33 | mMish | Crypticfortune, I do not understand the line ramdisk = /usr/sbin/update-initramfs /usr/sbin/mkinitrd |
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| 07:04.03 | Crypticfortune | mMish: me neither exactly. i read it out of here: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-initramfs.html |
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| 07:04.30 | mMish | firebird619, grub \n root (hd0,0) \n setup (hd0)\n root (hd1,1) \n setup (hd1)\n |
| 07:04.45 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: Ok, I can check that out. The main problem is that I wouldn't even know where to put it because I have put it in the MBR of the one drive, the /boot partition which is on the other drive, etc. but nothing seems to fix it. How would I go about figuring out where to even install grub? |
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| 07:05.21 | carlus | hello from france |
| 07:05.45 | honkyD | oh hello I am thinking about installing DEBIAN for the first time evAR! |
| 07:06.15 | mMish | Crypticfortune, to me, you can easily create initrd manually |
| 07:06.16 | Crypticfortune | firebird619: have to check your bios settings to see what its boot order is (usually first hd first, but still, check?) but anyway, grub-install /dev/sda and grub-install /dev/hda would probably cover all your bases ;) |
| 07:06.39 | mMish | you do not really need to invoke dpkg-reconfigure to generate initrd |
| 07:06.55 | honkyD | which isos you recommend me to download for i386.. can I use netinstall small iso with wireless |
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| 07:07.28 | mMish | netinstall is fine |
| 07:07.28 | dondelelcaro | honkyD: if your wireless doesn't require firmware, yes. If it does, you can still use the netinst image, but you'll have to do a bit of manual work. |
| 07:07.31 | Crypticfortune | mMish: i know, but the same process gets invoked automatically when installing a new/updated kernel. but if i happen to reboot after updating that kernel without remaking the initrd manually, the system doesn't boot, so it's kind of a dangerous situation |
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| 07:07.54 | Crypticfortune | mMish: thus I'd like to fix it so it works automatically, but i don't understand that error (or even what's making that error)... |
| 07:08.11 | honkyD | oh ok well thanks.. I have some buffalo usb wifi adapter do I have to put some driver in the cd maybe |
| 07:08.27 | mMish | well if it happens on one host out of 4, you need to look at t diffs at that host |
| 07:08.34 | mMish | something is fucked up there |
| 07:08.42 | mMish | or just reinstall OS on it |
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| 07:08.52 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: The BIOS does not list the individual HDD's to see which one it is starting off of. By installing to /dev/sda and /dev/hda, is that in other words installing to multiple locations hoping that one of them is the right location. On the /dev/sda I just have the /home partition, the others, /, /boot, and swap are on /dev/hda. |
| 07:09.11 | anparks | hey how can i turn off my monitor from bash |
| 07:10.06 | Crypticfortune | mMish: indeed it is. but it has unique hardware from all the other hosts (i think the problem is that for whatever reason yaird isn't selecting the raid driver module automatically) |
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| 07:10.45 | Crypticfortune | firebird619: yup ^^ |
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| 07:11.17 | mMish | anparks, would turning the screen black be OK ? |
| 07:12.22 | DawnLight | yeah! fun! great! etchnahalf is out! |
| 07:12.24 | honkyD | debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso this is what i need? if this latest? from my isp's mirror |
| 07:12.40 | acidslep | " |
| 07:12.42 | acidslep | laksjfd';lkjas |
| 07:12.47 | anparks | if it is a screensaver and not just painting it black |
| 07:13.40 | mMish | just invoke screensaver |
| 07:14.44 | Crypticfortune | anparks: setterm -powersave powerdown |
| 07:15.24 | anparks | but i dont want to power off i just want the display off |
| 07:15.38 | anparks | and that it will be able to return to its state |
| 07:15.39 | SerajewelKS | i have a friend trying to use the lenny beta2 d-i to install and it doesn't support his ethernet card (pci id 11ab:4355) |
| 07:15.45 | anparks | without resorting to xscreensaver |
| 07:16.00 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: Is using just /dev/hda and /dev/sda good enough or do I have to specify each partition (ex: /dev/sda1. /dev/hda3, etc)? |
| 07:16.02 | SerajewelKS | not sure how best to approach this. does a driver exist for this device? |
| 07:16.21 | Crypticfortune | anparks: xscreensaver? we're talking about x here? or a plain old text console? |
| 07:16.28 | anparks | im in x |
| 07:16.35 | anparks | but its all terminals |
| 07:16.45 | anparks | and emacs. im running xmonad as a wm |
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| 07:17.38 | Crypticfortune | anparks: then sorry, i don't know. but i think you definitely want something like xscreensaver (otherwise what's going to wake up the display again??) |
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| 07:17.55 | anparks | exactly, i guess thats why people write screensavers to begin with |
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| 07:18.11 | Crypticfortune | anparks: you can manipulate xscreensaver via xscreensaver-command (very handy) |
| 07:19.01 | Crypticfortune | firebird619: no, loading it into each partition doesn't make sense. bios only looks at the MBR |
| 07:19.24 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: So just use /dev/sda and /dev/hda? |
| 07:19.33 | Crypticfortune | firebird619: right |
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| 07:22.17 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: Ok, I will give that a try, Thanks. Also, will doing this remove any data or anything where I need to back everything up first? I do that frequently anyway but thought I better ask. |
| 07:23.39 | lymeca | I need a list of all packages updated on my system in the last 24 hours. |
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| 07:23.57 | Crypticfortune | firebird619: it should only write to the MBR, so you should be fine. but by all means back up your data as often as possible ^^ |
| 07:23.58 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment |
| 07:24.03 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment |
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| 07:24.12 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment |
| 07:24.16 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment |
| 07:24.17 | DawnLight | when will the etchnhalf cd's be out? |
| 07:24.19 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment |
| 07:24.20 | internat | !ops julieet is spamming |
| 07:24.21 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: internat complains about: julieet is spamming |
| 07:24.24 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i Ned Staff 4 my SerVer ircops local aops server admin else And regsiter ur favorite chan in friendly envorment |
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| 07:24.44 | lymeca | ugh |
| 07:24.46 | internat | thank you LoRez :) |
| 07:24.51 | firebird619 | Crypticfortune: Ok. Thanks. |
| 07:24.52 | lymeca | I need a list of all packages updated on my system in the last 24 hours. |
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| 07:25.07 | lymeca | I think there's a GRAVE error in a PHP5 package in lenny |
| 07:25.11 | lymeca | Completely broke PHP input |
| 07:25.13 | Crypticfortune | lymeca: consult the book of /var/log/dpkg! |
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| 07:25.38 | lymeca | Crypticfortune: I don't have that file! =[ |
| 07:25.38 | internat | im scared to see what lenny will break for me :( |
| 07:25.56 | lymeca | Oh |
| 07:25.58 | Crypticfortune | lymeca: /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 07:26.02 | lymeca | Yeah |
| 07:26.04 | lymeca | Just figured it out |
| 07:26.05 | lymeca | durr |
| 07:27.32 | Crypticfortune | internat: so far lenny's been pretty nice to me. no disasters, except for when i tried to upgrade an etch chroot into lenny (that completely borked up the chroot) |
| 07:28.13 | internat | im in the middle of redoing my hosting setup, but since lenny is due out soon, i think i might hold off til it deploys to see how much if anything is going to be nasty |
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| 07:28.57 | lymeca | Okay okay okay... I really need to downgrade my PHP5 packages from an update I did last night. I went from 5.2.5-3 to 5.2.6-2 and it broke my text input form processing for PHP on lenny. |
| 07:29.06 | lymeca | Cripples MediaWiki =[ |
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| 07:36.38 | carlus | i need help to configure the network on debian on a NAS dns-313. I can just access with usb for the moment, so I can't use the debian tools, but just modify the files manually. |
| 07:38.17 | carlus | i have just to configure eth0 with a fixed ip on the network, and run it for the next startup. |
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| 07:38.56 | xsdg | carlus: man 5 interfaces |
| 07:39.07 | xsdg | carlus: and poke at /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 07:39.43 | carlus | xsdg: may you explain "man 5 interfaces" ? |
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| 07:42.46 | xsdg | carlus: read the manpage for "interfaces" it's in section five |
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| 07:42.54 | xsdg | carlus: to do so, run the command `man 5 interfaces` |
| 07:43.42 | carlus | but i can't run any command on the nas, because i just connected with usb |
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| 07:44.09 | xsdg | carlus: then google for "interfaces manpage" or something |
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| 07:44.16 | DawnLight | what is the status with the ati open source drivers? where can i read about this? |
| 07:44.29 | carlus | xsdg: ok tks |
| 07:45.33 | lymeca | Okay problem, I'm trying to downgrade php5-mysql from 5.2.6-2 to 5.2.5-3+lenny2 in lenny, but I have one nasty dependency issue: libaprutil1... this package apparently conflicts with php5-mysql < 5.2.6-1~ |
| 07:46.05 | DawnLight | ok they're called radeonhd and they're in lenny. anyone knows why they're not in etchnhalf? |
| 07:46.05 | lymeca | PLEASE HELP the lenny PHP 5.2.6 packages are BROKEN... I don't know which one exactly but all text input processing from forms is BROKEN |
| 07:46.16 | lymeca | DawnLight: phoronix.org |
| 07:46.33 | DawnLight | lymeca: i'm getting the rss from that site |
| 07:46.54 | DawnLight | i wonder why them drivers aren't in etchnahalf |
| 07:47.49 | lymeca | Read the forums there, as well as articles in Graphics Drivers section. Go to #radeon and #radeonhd. There are 2 different Free drivers, which is best depends on your card chipset. Don't expect them to work well in Etch (or exist at all in the case of radonhd), unless you compile from source or upgrade to lenny/sid. |
| 07:48.07 | xsdg | lymeca: use aptitude and manage the dependencies manually? |
| 07:48.19 | lymeca | xsdg: That's what I'm trying to do! |
| 07:48.30 | lymeca | libaprutil1 I need apparently because it's required for Apache2 |
| 07:48.34 | xsdg | why can't you downgrade libaprutil1 then? |
| 07:48.44 | lymeca | It's not showing up as an option? |
| 07:48.54 | xsdg | oh, because aptitude sucks, that's right |
| 07:49.07 | lymeca | In aptitude I only have 1.2.12+dfsg-7 available to me |
| 07:49.08 | DawnLight | i won't go through all that. i'll just use i965 for now, until lenny, i guess |
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| 07:50.01 | lymeca | DawnLight: I bought a Radeon X1950, which is the best card you can get in the r500 series. With the radeon driver you can play Quake3 and similar games with minor graphical glitches. |
| 07:50.36 | xsdg | lymeca: if you know what version you had, you could do `apt-get install libaprutil1=(version)` |
| 07:51.00 | xsdg | otherwise, you might need to check snapshot.debian.net or packages.debian.org |
| 07:51.12 | lymeca | xsdg: I think I had 1.2.12+dfsg-3 |
| 07:51.43 | lymeca | Is there a way to check the conflicts of libaprutil1 version 1.2.12+dfsg-3 to be sure it will work with php5-mysql 5.2.5-3+lenny2? |
| 07:52.17 | lymeca | Where can I view ALL info about libaprutil1 version 1.2.12+dfsg-3?? |
| 07:53.04 | xsdg | lymeca: packages.debian.org might know. otherwise, you can probably grab the package from snapshot.debian.net and use `dpkg -I foo.deb` |
| 07:53.43 | lymeca | xsdg: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libaprutil1&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 07:54.02 | lymeca | I only see 1.2.12+dfsg-7 in lenny/sid, and something way way too old in etch |
| 07:54.25 | lymeca | Is there a way to view such attributes as dependencies and conflicts before dpkg -i-ing it? |
| 07:54.39 | lymeca | (preferabbly on the web?) |
| 07:54.50 | Guerin | !pdo |
| 07:54.50 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 07:54.53 | xsdg | lymeca: I said "dpkg -I", not "dpkg -i" |
| 07:55.01 | xsdg | lymeca: one is "info," the other, "install" |
| 07:55.07 | lymeca | Oh, right. |
| 07:55.38 | lymeca | Guerin: guru! Im trying to downgrade php5 in lenny because the 5.2.6 packages broke text input processing from forms. |
| 07:55.48 | Guerin | !downgrade |
| 07:55.48 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. Also see <partial downgrade>, or <sdn> |
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| 07:56.16 | lymeca | All the PHP5 packages are ready to go back to 5.2.5 but php5-mysql 5.2.5 conflicts with my libaprutil1 which I need for Apache |
| 07:56.31 | lymeca | Guerin: yes, well, this update was less than 24 hours ago so I still have the packages |
| 07:56.40 | lymeca | all the PHP 5.2.5 packages I WANT show up in aptitude |
| 07:56.48 | lymeca | I have a single conflict though I'm trying to resolve. |
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| 07:57.18 | xsdg | Guerin: why does that factoid not mention pinning as a method of downgrading? |
| 07:57.47 | lymeca | I have 1.2.12+dfsg-7 of libaprutil and I can tell via my dpkg.log that this too was upgraded VERY recently from 1.2.12+dfsg-3 |
| 07:58.15 | lymeca | So now I want to find 1.2.12+dfsg-7 of libaprutil1 and check it's conflicts. I doubt I will have the same conflict with my desired php5-mysql package version. |
| 07:58.35 | lymeca | Then I just need to install libaprutil1 1.2.12+dfsg-7 and I should be able to downgrade PHP5 one step just fine |
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| 08:00.25 | stevedondley | dondelelcaro: all set |
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| 08:01.55 | Fartini | http://obamainfrance.ytmnd.com/ |
| 08:03.00 | Guerin | xsdg: because you didn't add it :) |
| 08:03.36 | xsdg | bah; you know that's not the answer I was looking for |
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| 08:27.21 | lymeca | Guerin: Okay I'm having a crippling PHP issue, and I'm fairly positive Debian's php5 packages are at fault. I'm not sure how to fix it though. |
| 08:27.24 | lymeca | I even successfully downgraded from 5.2.6-2 to 5.2.5-3+lenny2 which I upgraded in the last 24 hours when all the problems started. |
| 08:27.27 | lymeca | PHP is failing to receive anything from input forms, I verified this in the ##php channel. Someone there wrote two different scripts and had be place it on my server, simple form entry scripts. |
| 08:27.30 | lymeca | Also MediaWiki is crippled because of this: no one can log in! MW just sees all login attmpts as empty usernames and returns the MediaWiki:Noname error. |
| 08:27.33 | lymeca | But downgrading PHP to 5.2.5-3+lenny2 sadly did not fix it =[ |
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| 08:30.26 | lymeca | I also upgraded Apache2 from 2.2.8 to 2.2.9 around the same time,but I haven't tried downgrading it. |
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| 08:54.21 | ehc | I do ssh-add ~/.ssh/id_rsa but when I restart ssh still ask for my id_rsa passphrase. how do I add it permanently? |
| 08:55.19 | et | "restart ssh"? |
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| 09:02.20 | xand | hatter: the name? |
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| 09:02.32 | hatter | xand, volume label ? |
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| 09:11.01 | jelly-home | hatter: labels are usually given to filesystems, not whole disks. For ext2/ext3, there is e2label |
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| 09:12.36 | hatter | jelly-home, ah, thx |
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| 09:15.24 | PingFloyd | I don't get why swiftfox didn't update the debian menu when it has the file /usr/share/menu/swiftfox in its deb pkg |
| 09:16.01 | SeJo | what is a good musicplayer that does not depend on gnome nor kde? |
| 09:16.18 | xand | mpd |
| 09:16.50 | SeJo | xand: does it also do online radios |
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| 09:17.13 | xand | no |
| 09:17.33 | et | most players just require the libs, not gnome/kde themselves |
| 09:17.34 | SeJo | ach that is a must |
| 09:17.52 | et | so just pick any ... |
| 09:18.02 | SeJo | et rhytmbox needs 445mb of packages amarok 230mb a bit to much for me |
| 09:18.18 | et | computer from the 90s? ;) |
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| 09:24.59 | jelly-home | PingFloyd: which debian release is this package from? |
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| 09:27.52 | SerajewelKS | SeJo: if you need internet streams, use wget and mpg123/ogg123 |
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| 10:05.08 | cusco | Nix3r: testdisk |
| 10:05.22 | cusco | look into photorec (ncluded with testdisk) |
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| 10:06.23 | cusco | Nix3r: let testdisk search for possible partition tables in your harddrive, see if you can get your old partition table |
| 10:06.34 | Nix3r | cusco it will recover data? |
| 10:06.42 | Nix3r | cusco i just need the data |
| 10:06.47 | cusco | if you recover partition table, and haven't formated anything, yes |
| 10:06.53 | cusco | else |
| 10:06.56 | cusco | just use photorec |
| 10:07.13 | cusco | takes ages to go trough your harddrive, but gets all your media back |
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| 10:07.25 | Nix3r | cusco ok. |
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| 10:07.39 | cusco | both part of "testdisk" package |
| 10:07.40 | Nix3r | cusco just the media or any data? |
| 10:08.52 | Nix3r | the partitions were fat32 btw |
| 10:08.59 | cusco | no matehr |
| 10:09.01 | cusco | not only media |
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| 10:09.29 | Mallxs | Morning folk's |
| 10:10.06 | Nix3r | ok |
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| 10:10.31 | pingouin | there is not problem to take a 1 TO sata hard drive ? |
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| 10:18.06 | DawnLight | morning Mallxs |
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| 10:18.26 | DawnLight | so! which wireless cards work with the etchnhalf kernel? |
| 10:18.47 | internat | what is this etchnhalf thing i keep hearing about? |
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| 10:19.37 | infotron | !etchandhalf |
| 10:19.42 | infotron | !etchnhalf |
| 10:19.42 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It will include a 2.6.24 kernel and provide an updated installer. See: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf , read the release notes, report bugs and problems to their mailing list please. |
| 10:20.13 | davi | cool! |
| 10:20.23 | davi | great idea. |
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| 10:21.38 | internat | interesting |
| 10:22.05 | internat | i find that interesting, since lenny is due out soonish |
| 10:22.24 | infotron | soon is so difinitive too. |
| 10:22.34 | internat | indeed. :) |
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| 10:22.53 | internat | im pretty sure there was mention of september actually, but im not hugely sure on that |
| 10:23.09 | internat | !moving target |
| 10:23.09 | dpkg | Sure, testing might be shiner that stable, but are you prepared to be continually updating your system? Things that worked today will break tomorrow. Config file formats will change and you'll have to fold your changes in yet again. Testing is a moving target and if you'd rather work *with* your computer rather than working *on* your computer, you might not want that. |
| 10:23.15 | infotron | 3q/4q 08 afaik. |
| 10:23.49 | internat | yeah pretty sure were already in 3q 08 :P |
| 10:23.54 | infotron | anyways, time for my gray matter super computing cluster to soak up some idle cycles :) |
| 10:24.08 | infotron | zzzZzzzz. have fun |
| 10:24.13 | internat | toodles. |
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| 10:27.57 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i need staff local global and services admin for my server pLz come to our world register your favourtie chans tHkX |
| 10:28.02 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i need staff local global and services admin for my server pLz come to our world register your favourtie chans tHkX |
| 10:28.32 | internat | !ops julieet.. |
| 10:28.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: internat complains about: julieet.. |
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| 10:29.14 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i need staff local global and services admin for my server pLz come to our world register your favourtie chans tHkX |
| 10:29.16 | julieet | ..../s hub.starfmradio.org is my server and i need staff local global and services admin for my server pLz come to our world register your favourtie chans tHkX |
| 10:29.23 | theclaw | what the hell? |
| 10:29.29 | azeem | !at julieet |
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| 10:29.37 | azeem | man, I'm out of form |
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| 10:29.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@116.71.176.204] by Maulkin |
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| 10:29.52 | internat | at? |
| 10:30.00 | Maulkin | Bah, beaten to it. |
| 10:30.15 | internat | thank you ops :) |
| 10:30.40 | mordy_ | how do i restart CUPS? |
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| 10:31.44 | Guerin | mordy_: /etc/init.d/serviceyouwant restart |
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| 10:33.32 | mordy_ | hmm... it worked, i tried it before but i only navigated to the init.d directory and typed "cupsys restart" and got "command not found" - why must i type the entire path, while being in the directory itself is not sufficient? |
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| 10:33.55 | asha | because "." is often not in your PATH |
| 10:33.58 | asha | you can add it, though |
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| 10:34.07 | Guerin | but don't |
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| 10:34.13 | Guerin | because it's incredibly stupid |
| 10:34.40 | Guerin | mordy_: you should type ./cupsys restart in that case |
| 10:35.31 | mordy_ | guerin - because the "executable" property of the command is "hidden"? |
| 10:36.09 | Guerin | mordy_: no. Because . (the current working dir) is not in your PATH - nor should it be |
| 10:36.32 | mordy_ | guerin: then the "." temporarily places it in my path? |
| 10:37.00 | Guerin | mordy_: no, the ./ in front of a command tells it to run the executable wwith that name in the cwd |
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| 10:37.11 | Guerin | try ls ./ for instance |
| 10:37.25 | theclaw | I'd like to know what "gets done" when I run dpkg-reconfigure on a package. In my case, I'd like to know what dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig does - where should I look for? |
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| 10:37.49 | theclaw | I already tried /var/lib/dpkg/info, the .config-file there, but it just contains lots of db_set and db_get commands |
| 10:38.32 | theclaw | for example, db_set db_set fontconfig/subpixel_rendering "Always" |
| 10:38.37 | Guerin | theclaw: it runs debconf - man dpkg-reconfigure and man debconf tell you about it |
| 10:38.39 | theclaw | but what does this command do? |
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| 10:40.00 | theclaw | Guerin: I already read those manpages, it doesn't where the "statements that get executed are" on db_set fontconfig/... |
| 10:40.04 | theclaw | *it doesn't tell |
| 10:40.23 | Guerin | oh, i see |
| 10:40.24 | theclaw | I mean, t here has to be some "script" that gets triggered on db_set fontconfig/subpixel_rendering |
| 10:40.29 | Guerin | you want to know where the magic comes from |
| 10:40.33 | theclaw | yes |
| 10:40.45 | Guerin | i don't know - if it's not shown in those manpages (I forget) |
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| 10:40.50 | Guerin | i'd probably just strace it |
| 10:41.34 | theclaw | hum, wouldn't then just 'bash' get straced, and not the child-processes? |
| 10:41.58 | Guerin | it might give you a clue where to look |
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| 10:42.06 | Guerin | s/might/should/ |
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| 10:42.50 | SeJo | how do i get the pcspkr working? i've loaded the module, but hear nothing |
| 10:43.14 | theclaw | Guerin: yes, thanks |
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| 10:43.59 | azeem | theclaw: db_* commands are implemented in files belonging to the debconf package I think |
| 10:44.44 | theclaw | azeem: as far as I can see, db_* just are wrappers which re-format the expression given and pass it to the "debconf"-file, if IÃm not totally wrong |
| 10:44.55 | theclaw | azeem: what I'm interested in is what debconf does then |
| 10:45.24 | azeem | right, so look at its source? |
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| 10:45.54 | theclaw | azeem: that's too much :) |
| 10:46.17 | azeem | I assume you read all the available documentation already |
| 10:46.29 | theclaw | no, I'm no debian developer |
| 10:46.30 | azeem | if it's not explained there, you will have to study the source |
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| 10:46.47 | theclaw | no, maybe someone here can just point me to the solution |
| 10:46.52 | Guerin | hah |
| 10:47.00 | Guerin | that would mean us going through the source |
| 10:47.02 | azeem | theclaw: they would have to study the source for you |
| 10:47.06 | theclaw | no, that's not what I meant |
| 10:47.12 | theclaw | maybe someone here "just knows" |
| 10:47.16 | Guerin | unless you think we all know the inner workins of everything off by heart |
| 10:47.17 | azeem | maybe not |
| 10:47.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:47.36 | theclaw | >700 people here ;) |
| 10:47.38 | azeem | theclaw: but your request is registered, and if somebody knows, they will say |
| 10:47.44 | theclaw | I hope so ;) |
| 10:47.57 | Guerin | they will be hungry for karma |
| 10:48.09 | theclaw | pah.. ;) |
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| 10:52.50 | Nyle | hey |
| 10:52.55 | Nyle | quit wasting time on irc |
| 10:52.59 | Nyle | go look at the source yourself |
| 10:53.01 | Nyle | lazy bastidge |
| 10:53.16 | Nyle | g'mornin btw |
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| 10:55.05 | gnunixguy | morning nyle |
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| 10:56.39 | HardDisk_WP | does anyone know a program to copy a whole IMAP server? |
| 10:57.00 | HardDisk_WP | thunderbird is too unreliable for that job, it looses mails |
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| 10:57.20 | atomiku | http://www.howarddarkes.com/photos/linuxposter.jpg |
| 10:57.23 | atomiku | ouch |
| 11:00.51 | Hoxzer_ | ^_^ Who cares |
| 11:01.07 | Hoxzer_ | Imho people can use what OS they like to use |
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| 11:02.10 | Hoxzer_ | But I hate people who think Windows Rocks just because they haven't used or dunno how to use other OS |
| 11:02.10 | Hoxzer_ | s/other/anohter |
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| 11:10.01 | Nyle | prop shit never rocks |
| 11:10.03 | planetxmail | linux has way more then 1 % |
| 11:10.03 | Nyle | ever. |
| 11:10.14 | planetxmail | 4% after vista |
| 11:10.17 | Nyle | when has anything closed ever rocked? |
| 11:10.20 | Nyle | c'mon |
| 11:10.23 | Nyle | name one thing |
| 11:10.52 | Nyle | open source is mostly about functionality and getting shit done |
| 11:11.04 | Nyle | not stupid effects and frills and bloat |
| 11:11.48 | Nyle | and windows is incomplete. first you buy windows, then buy antivirus, and then antispyware, and firewall, and then you have to buy other shit like office software, imaging software you name it |
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| 11:11.57 | Nyle | windows isnt even a complete desktop os out the box |
| 11:12.03 | peppe | *buy*? cough |
| 11:12.10 | Nyle | there is like no pdf viewer |
| 11:12.14 | Nyle | just a few examples |
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| 11:12.27 | Nyle | you install debian, pick the desktop task, and you're pretty much good to go |
| 11:12.40 | Nyle | you get almost everything a normal desktop user would require |
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| 11:13.34 | Nyle | check this out |
| 11:13.35 | Nyle | !windows |
| 11:13.35 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 11:13.38 | Nyle | :) |
| 11:14.35 | Nyle | hm |
| 11:14.41 | Nyle | sunday morning 7:15am |
| 11:14.49 | Nyle | I think i'm gonna go back to bed blah |
| 11:14.54 | Nyle | *out* |
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| 11:15.48 | anduril-aka-IM-h | Hi folks, i want to hereby call your attention to the upcoming international day against surveillance and data retention. The actions are planed to take place October the 11'th . The official action site is http://wiki.vorratsdatenspeicherung.de/Freedom_Not_Fear_2008 there you can find futher information about the actions planed; the supporting capitals and the official "call for participation". |
| 11:16.32 | dondelelcaro | that's great, but promoting things isn't really appropriate here |
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| 11:17.08 | anduril-aka-IM-h | i'm sorry but maybe an effective way to reach many people |
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| 11:17.38 | tview | Could someone here please test of the "Listen Again" links here, http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/, and tell me if they work on your debian installation? I get a crash each and every time. |
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| 11:18.22 | Nyle | and to support the trust in security in our free society |
| 11:18.30 | Nyle | right... |
| 11:18.55 | Nyle | tview, does that use flash/ |
| 11:18.57 | Nyle | ? |
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| 11:19.07 | tview | Nyle: did you try it? |
| 11:19.27 | Nyle | it wanted to crash my konqueror browser |
| 11:19.29 | Nyle | but i didn't let it |
| 11:19.40 | Nyle | i click on Listen Live link |
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| 11:19.47 | tview | not the actual page, but one of the listen links? |
| 11:20.00 | c0d3-r3d | how do i get webmin installed? apt-get install webmin didnt work |
| 11:20.04 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, dude it must be 3am for you! quit partying! ;) |
| 11:20.13 | tview | yeah. listen live works for me from another link in realplayer and using mplayer. but the "listen again" links I cant get a stream url. |
| 11:20.17 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: it's 4:20. |
| 11:20.21 | Nyle | haha |
| 11:20.25 | Nyle | fuckin' a. :) |
| 11:20.32 | Guerin | cue ganja joke from Nyle |
| 11:20.52 | gnunixguy | tview: To play Saturday Play: These Are the Times: Common Sense please first install Real Player. |
| 11:20.53 | dondelelcaro | that said, they're going to start showing the final stage of the tour in a few minutes |
| 11:21.17 | Nyle | gnunixguy, ? |
| 11:21.29 | gnunixguy | tview: i dont have real player installed though, so cant test past that |
| 11:21.30 | Nyle | c0d3-r3d, you do not want webmin |
| 11:21.36 | Nyle | !tell c0d3-r3d -about webmin |
| 11:22.06 | tview | gah. does nothing "flash" work in LInux? I have to wonder at times. |
| 11:22.13 | Nyle | tview, it does |
| 11:22.19 | Guerin | tview: complain to macdobedia |
| 11:22.22 | Nyle | I use ndiswrapper for playing flash in stuff |
| 11:22.31 | Nyle | amd64 here thats why |
| 11:22.37 | Nyle | but for 32bit, flash works just fine |
| 11:22.40 | tview | Guerin: its not about complaining. Its about it not working. |
| 11:22.42 | Nyle | *nspluginwrapper* |
| 11:22.55 | Guerin | tview: tell them if they made their crappy platform free software we'd be able to make it work |
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| 11:23.19 | Guerin | since they can't |
| 11:23.24 | tview | Nyle: mine is 32 bit. So no. It does not work properly. |
| 11:23.27 | Nyle | I guess they hire morons who can't work free software |
| 11:23.43 | Nyle | even the dudes they hire to make the shit, they only know how to work with pointy clicky windows crap |
| 11:23.48 | Nyle | like real media encoders n shit |
| 11:23.52 | tview | Nyle: stop generalising. |
| 11:24.03 | Nyle | I'm sorry.. I'm not mkaing this up. |
| 11:24.10 | Nyle | if it offends you... too bad. |
| 11:24.21 | gnunixguy | i personally hate realplayer and wont install any derivative there of :) |
| 11:24.24 | tview | Nyle: yes you are. Not all "closed source" programmers are morons. A lot of it is down to the supporting libraries. |
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| 11:24.35 | Nyle | yo |
| 11:24.42 | Nyle | if the programmers aren't idiots and certainly management is |
| 11:24.43 | gnunixguy | flash isnt always necessary to make a site either, too bad a lot of big companies think its necessary :( |
| 11:24.51 | tview | gnunixguy: me too. But I cant figure out how to get a real stream url for the "listen again" in order to use mplaer from the command line. |
| 11:24.59 | Guerin | flash is never necessary |
| 11:25.08 | Nyle | tview, lookit page source? |
| 11:25.11 | Guerin | it's like chrome bumpers and blue under-car strobes |
| 11:25.22 | Nyle | flash is ok sometimes |
| 11:25.27 | tview | Guerin: neither is a GUI desktop. But lets not live in some alternative reality. People like it. People use it. Companies use it. |
| 11:25.29 | Nyle | for interactive websites and such, but everywhere... ugh |
| 11:26.04 | Nyle | tview, so what do you want from us? |
| 11:26.06 | Guerin | tview: And people pay $hundreds for chroime bumpers and under-car strobes. |
| 11:26.07 | Nyle | tview, would you like to know how to install realplayer in debian? |
| 11:26.18 | Nyle | Guerin, don't forget rims |
| 11:26.26 | gnunixguy | if i can point and click on a link, thats "interactive" enough for me... i dont need crap flying around on my screen that looks "cool" to get taht the web developer is a complete tool with too much time on his hands |
| 11:26.48 | Nyle | for example, it makes sense to have flash on joecartoon.com |
| 11:26.58 | Nyle | but not on linux.com |
| 11:27.12 | Nyle | just an example, not saying linux.com has flash |
| 11:27.39 | Nyle | anyway, im going back to bed |
| 11:27.40 | Nyle | bye bye |
| 11:27.44 | gnunixguy | later |
| 11:28.27 | tview | Problem solved! Copy the link from the listenagain then "wget" that page! Can get a ram URL which I can then "mplayer -playlist URL" !!!! |
| 11:28.36 | tview | LOL |
| 11:28.40 | Guerin | tview: that's how I do 'em all :) |
| 11:28.46 | Guerin | tview: also try clive |
| 11:29.47 | tview | Guerin: clive? |
| 11:29.54 | gnunixguy | me thinks its bed time too |
| 11:29.56 | gnunixguy | later all |
| 11:30.02 | Guerin | !info clive |
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| 11:30.21 | dpkg | clive: (Video extraction utility for YouTube, Google Video and other video sites), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.4.18-1 (sid), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
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| 11:31.12 | c-moi | hi |
| 11:31.23 | Jemt | Greetz. Can I remove an *.inf file when it is loaded into ndiswrapper? |
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| 11:31.39 | c-moi | I'm trying to get an netinstall amd64 debian iso. Seems like all the links are down |
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| 11:32.14 | c-moi | the url used is http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 11:32.19 | c0d3-r3d | i do want webmin cause its easy to use |
| 11:32.28 | c0d3-r3d | and i can easily change ports for ssh |
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| 11:37.59 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 11:38.01 | margiolas | c0d3-r3d: the webmin is a huge security hol! |
| 11:38.19 | Ace2016_- | how do i use a font in this format in windows? i want to keep fonts consistant: Nimbus Mono L.fonts.tar.gz |
| 11:38.35 | Ace2016_- | i doubt windows will accept tar.gz as a font format |
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| 11:42.06 | c0d3-r3d | margiolas do i care? its just me using my dam box |
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| 11:47.12 | margiolas | c0d3-r3d: ok your choice! but the webmin is unsecure and i thought this is the reason why there is no official package |
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| 11:54.42 | wyleu | How do I get jre to work with iceweasel? here's my sources.list file ->http://paste.debian.net/13155/ read most of the howto's still get the same errors. |
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| 11:57.48 | eth01 | uh, debian doesn't seem to making this server HDD LED flash. |
| 11:57.52 | eth01 | any ideas? |
| 11:58.00 | wyleu | How do I install jre with iceweasel my sources.list->http://paste.debian.net/13155/ . I've tried using the sun files and linking to the plugin directory still no joy, and I've got to have this working by tomorrow at 8:00 and I've been on it since Friday morning. |
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| 12:00.27 | eth01 | just installed build-essential and it definitely didn't then :-) |
| 12:00.40 | eth01 | highly unlikely for it not to show btw |
| 12:00.42 | asg | wyleu: /msg dpkg firefox java |
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| 12:01.59 | wyleu | Sorry asg I don't know much about chat, I don't understand the reply. |
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| 12:02.49 | asg | !firefox java |
| 12:02.50 | dpkg | To install a Java plugin in your browsers on Debian 4 or greater, install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin. With konqueror, you may hit #327582, or only available for i386 (not for amd64). it is in non-free, ask me about <non-free>, or ask me about <gcjwebplugin> for a free alternative |
| 12:03.07 | asg | wyleu: install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin |
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| 12:03.53 | eth01 | sigh |
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| 12:05.32 | wyleu | I've tried that, the results are shown in the bottom of my paste. |
| 12:06.38 | wyleu | I've got to the random poking of files into sources.list which can't be a good idea. I realise that the licensing requirements mean it is a 'non-free' distrribution but I don't know how to know which repositoires I'm examining. |
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| 12:06.55 | asg | !non-free |
| 12:06.55 | dpkg | methinks non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 12:11.23 | wyleu | I do not understand he phrase 'has no installation candidate'. Surely this file is in at least one of the repositoires I have listed? |
| 12:11.40 | *** mode/#debian [+o abrotman] by ChanServ |
| 12:11.50 | *** topic/#debian by abrotman -> openssl vulnerability: /msg dpkg dsa1571 | 4.0r4 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
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| 12:12.55 | asg | wyleu: read the non-free factoid, ask the bot about non-free sources |
| 12:13.10 | *** mode/#debian [-o abrotman] by abrotman |
| 12:13.19 | abrotman | asg: /msg dpkg etch .. /msg dpkg 4.0r4 |
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| 12:14.07 | wyleu | I I dont seem to have the syntax for talking to the bot right... /msg dpkg non-free |
| 12:14.36 | mordy_ | or maybe you have simply hurt his feelings |
| 12:15.04 | asg | abrotman: \o/ |
| 12:15.32 | pumpkin0 | !tell wyleu about non-free |
| 12:15.41 | abrotman | asg: have you tried the .24 yet? |
| 12:15.58 | asg | abrotman: on the sparcs? no. I might next week though |
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| 12:16.05 | scroogey | hello |
| 12:16.11 | abrotman | i meant in general |
| 12:16.28 | wyleu | !tell wyleu about non-free |
| 12:16.28 | asg | abrotman: no, I'm still running etch on all my machines. |
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| 12:16.41 | jescis | Why is iceweasel the browser of choice on debian instead of Firefox? |
| 12:16.42 | abrotman | asg: i meant the etchnhalf .24 :) |
| 12:16.47 | scroogey | which versions of openssl are exploitable? i am using oOpenSSL/0.9.7e |
| 12:17.04 | asg | jescis: /msg dpkg iceweasel |
| 12:17.05 | wyleu | I imagine you realise I read about corncob's with a sickening feeling of self recognition. |
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| 12:17.20 | Ubuntwo | #join #linux |
| 12:17.24 | asg | abrotman: ah, no. |
| 12:17.24 | Ubuntwo | #join asterisk |
| 12:17.29 | Ubuntwo | soory |
| 12:17.30 | asg | Ubuntwo: fuck off |
| 12:17.40 | Ubuntwo | same to you asg |
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| 12:18.45 | wyleu | Who is to have corn-flakes for breakfast? |
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| 12:19.08 | donald | hi everyone! |
| 12:19.14 | cusco | hi |
| 12:19.53 | donald | i installed the lunar-applet for GNOME. however, i dont get the chinese font for the date. i can list files in the terminal and see chinese fonts there |
| 12:20.21 | donald | well.. actually, some fonts in the applet are chinese and some aren't. why is that? |
| 12:20.48 | jescis | asg, thanks(never would have thought to ask dpkg) |
| 12:21.00 | jescis | :p |
| 12:21.53 | wyleu | What does dpkg stand for? |
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| 12:22.21 | karmatronic | !dpkg |
| 12:22.21 | dpkg | somebody said dpkg was the program used by debian to install and remove packages, "man dpkg". also ask me about <apt howto>. The main info bot in #debian is also called dpkg; ask me about <dpkgbot>. |
| 12:22.22 | Sling | debian package management system |
| 12:22.34 | Sling | but in a different acronym |
| 12:22.50 | wyleu | !jre |
| 12:22.51 | dpkg | it has been said that java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 12:22.55 | Sling | Debian PacKaGe |
| 12:23.04 | Mallxs | question: if i compare the smb.conf of two machines I don't see any diff's but with testparm one has lanman auth = on and the other is = off The problem is .. if I connect with a 3e machine to thies smb's using places->network the 'lanman = No machine request's a passwd as the other doesn't |
| 12:23.17 | wyleu | How does the ! know who the message is directed at? |
| 12:23.19 | scroogey | how can i update opensl on my debian 3.1 box? |
| 12:23.38 | Sling | wyleu : the bot reads all lines in this channel, and filters out those that start with a ! |
| 12:23.47 | asg | scroogey: backports, if available |
| 12:23.55 | scroogey | oh |
| 12:24.04 | wyleu | !phraseit doesnthavea hope with |
| 12:24.08 | asg | scroogey: or upgrade to etch |
| 12:24.13 | scroogey | brr |
| 12:24.16 | Sling | if you'd have more bots in 1 channel, there should be different control characters |
| 12:24.17 | scroogey | scary! |
| 12:24.21 | Sling | like * or whatever |
| 12:24.26 | asg | @botsnack |
| 12:24.33 | abrotman | ravenbird: hi |
| 12:24.34 | ravenbird | hey, abrotman |
| 12:24.45 | scroogey | asg: then i need to reinstall the whole server, eh? |
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| 12:25.07 | wyleu | makes sense, mind you the list of characteres must end up on a lot of postiknotes. |
| 12:25.13 | asg | scroogey: there are other security bugs in sarge besides the ssl one and sarge no longer gets support. |
| 12:25.18 | wyleu | !sources.list |
| 12:25.19 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 12:25.40 | scroogey | oh |
| 12:25.50 | scroogey | maybe i should ask the ISP to update it then |
| 12:26.17 | wyleu | !installation candidate |
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| 12:28.29 | abrotman | wybczu: /msg dpkg foo |
| 12:28.36 | eth01 | is there a bug with amd 64 for where the hdd led doesn't work? |
| 12:28.40 | eth01 | it's annoying. |
| 12:29.01 | abrotman | vagueness |
| 12:29.07 | dondelelcaro | eth01: that's almost always hardware |
| 12:29.13 | eth01 | the HDD activy led to the mobo. |
| 12:29.22 | wols_ | eth01: the hdd LED on your PC is a mobo thing... |
| 12:29.24 | eth01 | it's new so i doubt it tbh |
| 12:29.39 | abrotman | eth01: i'd guess you wired it wrong |
| 12:29.43 | wols_ | those hdds LEDs existed back on the IBM XT |
| 12:29.48 | wols_ | not what I call new |
| 12:30.01 | eth01 | wols_: the red and green lights which flash! |
| 12:30.08 | eth01 | the red one isn't, but the green is :) |
| 12:30.18 | wols_ | if it's onb your case, it's hardware |
| 12:30.34 | wols_ | the OS doesn't give a rat's ass about it |
| 12:30.34 | eth01 | doesn't have to be. |
| 12:30.49 | eth01 | i'll test it with gentoo ;) bet it works |
| 12:31.17 | mordy_ | evil! |
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| 12:32.04 | lkthomas-home | hey guys |
| 12:32.37 | wols_ | hello babe |
| 12:33.20 | maligor | I see debian sid finally got openjdk |
| 12:34.14 | dustybin | how could one find out what kind of 802.11 x protocol one is using when connected via wireless? |
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| 12:34.56 | wols_ | dustybin: iwconfig? |
| 12:35.12 | dustybin | aye never heard of that, ill give it a shot |
| 12:35.15 | dustybin | thanks |
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| 12:37.40 | lkthomas-home | is there have any all in one web gui interface I could manage ldap ? |
| 12:37.55 | asg | !webmin |
| 12:37.56 | dpkg | webmin is, like, a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
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| 12:39.02 | lkthomas-home | not webmin |
| 12:39.08 | lkthomas-home | listen carefully please, LDAP |
| 12:39.47 | dustybin | i was thinking about setting up 2x 54mbps / 802.11 g networks at home. 1 for CCTV and 1 for internet, but after some thought, ive decided that CCTV should really be wired, 1.. bandwidth issues. 2.. security (you dont really want to have your homes CCTV cameras on a hackable wireless network) |
| 12:40.12 | asg | lkthomas-home: oh, like phpldapadmin |
| 12:40.33 | lkthomas-home | I remember some other software could do a lot better than phpldapadmin |
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| 12:40.42 | asg | lkthomas-home: then google for it |
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| 12:42.05 | abrotman | lkthomas-home: there was one hosted at savoire faire or whatever it was |
| 12:42.06 | lkthomas-home | asg, seriously, did you ever use ldap before ? |
| 12:42.10 | abrotman | freshmeat.net |
| 12:42.23 | asg | lkthomas-home: yes, I've never needed a web interface to manage it |
| 12:42.24 | abrotman | LABE ? |
| 12:42.58 | lkthomas-home | haha |
| 12:43.03 | lkthomas-home | isn't that's way too easy ? |
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| 12:43.11 | greeg | hi |
| 12:43.27 | xand | hi |
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| 12:45.56 | lkthomas-home | asg: do you write your own schema ? |
| 12:46.04 | Tanelorn76 | Hi |
| 12:46.27 | Tanelorn76 | There is something I do not understand with apt-get install |
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| 12:47.23 | Tanelorn76 | "dpkg -S my.cnf" tells me this file is available in mysql-common |
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| 12:47.28 | lkthomas-home | LOL |
| 12:47.31 | lkthomas-home | found it |
| 12:47.35 | shingouz | if i do a 'ssh -l <username> -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostFile=/dev/null -NRT 10000:localhost:22 <remoteipaddress>' with shared keys ona modem connection and the ppp connection dies, does the pipe come up again after i initiate a new ppp connection or should i kill the ssh process on the initiating computer before i start a new ppp conection? |
| 12:47.36 | lkthomas-home | check that out: "Gosa" |
| 12:47.50 | shingouz | ...and yes, i know it is a bit on the insecure side... |
| 12:48.03 | Tanelorn76 | But when I reinstall this packet (even using the --reinstall switch), this file is not written |
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| 12:50.36 | shai_ | hi :) i have eth0 up and working. i also see when doing lspci that I have two NICs (one is gigabit and one is unknow) .. how can I tell which of my NICs is eth0? |
| 12:51.23 | Ozux | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.39 | g00se | There's a 6-pin plug coming off my power supply with a single blue lead - what's it for - earth? |
| 12:51.43 | peppe | shai_: look at dmesg |
| 12:52.32 | shai_ | my dmesg has been changed since the last time I rebooted the server... |
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| 12:52.59 | shai_ | peppe, which was 2 weeks ago... |
| 12:53.04 | shingouz | shai_: for a physical ident, the MAC can help too. ifconfig and then use your eyeball 1.0 for the rest of it |
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| 12:53.28 | shai_ | eyeball 1.0 ? |
| 12:53.44 | pozic | Is there a file-system that puts directories with lots of small files close to eachother on the harddisk? |
| 12:53.56 | peppe | shai_: ethtool, /var/log/messages, /sys/... there are many places for that info |
| 12:54.05 | shingouz | shai_: actualy open up the computer and check for the (normally) present small label that has the mac printed on it :) |
| 12:54.24 | shai_ | oh ... |
| 12:54.48 | shai_ | i wanted to not need to phisically fly 5k miles :) |
| 12:55.16 | shingouz | shai_: in that case dmesg, ifconfig -a and the other things that peppe mentioned are mosre useful |
| 12:55.32 | shingouz | damn but i tpyo today |
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| 12:57.39 | shai_ | ethtool might suffice |
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| 12:58.37 | shai_ | why would lsmod show the module but then in the "Used by" column show 0 ? |
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| 12:59.17 | lkthomas-home | asg: you there ? |
| 12:59.25 | lkthomas-home | abrotman, do you use ldap as well ? |
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| 13:00.45 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:01.05 | abrotman | there is also #ldap |
| 13:02.03 | lkthomas-home | can we chat on ldap channel ? |
| 13:02.17 | abrotman | about what? there are plenty of smart people there ... |
| 13:02.30 | abrotman | they probably know a good deal more about ldap than i do |
| 13:02.31 | lkthomas-home | you are the only one who is not idle :) |
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| 13:03.21 | lkthomas-home | I want to ask an out of topic question, if I point outlook to use ldap as address book, does it clean off those address book which already exists in outlook address book itself ? |
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| 13:03.59 | xand | no |
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| 13:04.19 | xand | also... outlook is horrible |
| 13:04.26 | abrotman | lkthomas-home: it really shouldn't .. i've only tried with O2k3 IIRC |
| 13:04.28 | FluffyArmada | I'm trying to make up my mind about which text-based email client to try out first... any suggestions? |
| 13:04.41 | asg | FluffyArmada: mutt |
| 13:04.43 | abrotman | mutt? |
| 13:04.45 | abrotman | elmo! |
| 13:04.53 | lkthomas-home | abrotman, so it will update and sync with ldap when it started, and private contact would still keep ? |
| 13:05.07 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:05.19 | abrotman | you could have uh .. just tried this :) |
| 13:05.36 | jelly-home | FluffyArmada: are you opposed to having to browse manuals in order to use a mail client in an efficient way? |
| 13:06.24 | FluffyArmada | jelly-home: Nope... I sort of enjoy that. :) |
| 13:06.33 | jelly-home | mutt, then |
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| 13:06.56 | FluffyArmada | Mkay... thanks for the suggestion. 0:) |
| 13:07.07 | lkthomas-home | abrotman, I just getting headache, as our company are lack of budget to buy exchange server, they are asking me for a solution for collabouration software |
| 13:07.45 | asg | lkthomas-home: you may wish to look at zimbra |
| 13:08.02 | lkthomas-home | one question, does zimbra got connector for outlook ? |
| 13:08.14 | asg | lkthomas-home: I think it does |
| 13:08.15 | Jemt | Can I remove an *.inf file when it is loaded into ndiswrapper? |
| 13:08.22 | lkthomas-home | asg: but not free ? |
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| 13:09.17 | abrotman | lkthomas-home: check the website |
| 13:09.24 | asg | lkthomas-home: there is an open source edition but I don't know how many users are supported. It may work if you aren't supporting a lot of users. Otherwise, it's relatively cheap compared to Exchange |
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| 13:09.42 | lkthomas-home | again, we don't have budget |
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| 13:10.42 | abrotman | lkthomas-home: so check the zimbra website |
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| 13:10.50 | sirkit | contrast.h:26:26: error: gdk/gdkcolor.h: No such file or directory |
| 13:10.55 | sirkit | what package do I need to install? |
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| 13:12.10 | peppe | sirkit: apt-file and packages.debian.org are with you |
| 13:12.12 | jelly-home | sirkit: something with gdk, 2.0, and -dev in its name |
| 13:12.19 | sirkit | yeah |
| 13:12.26 | sirkit | that doesn't work |
| 13:12.27 | jelly-home | !tell sirkit -about search |
| 13:12.56 | sirkit | dpkg You are moron #8 |
| 13:12.57 | sirkit | dpkg You are moron #9, sirkit |
| 13:12.59 | sirkit | bot was coded by a noob |
| 13:13.29 | jelly-home | hm. |
| 13:13.45 | jelly-home | !tell jelly-home -about search |
| 13:13.59 | jelly-home | worked for me. |
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| 13:14.52 | jelly-home | !find /gdk/gdkcolor.h$ |
| 13:14.58 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/gdk/gdkcolor.h' (1): (/usr/include/gtk-2.0/gdk/gdkcolor.h) in libdevel/libgtk2.0-dev. |
| 13:15.26 | jelly-home | sirkit: libgtk2.0-dev, apparently |
| 13:15.31 | sirkit | so it wasn't something with gdk 2.0 and -dev |
| 13:15.37 | sirkit | I already knew that though, becuase I had looked |
| 13:15.38 | sirkit | thanks though |
| 13:15.39 | sirkit | :) |
| 13:15.40 | slidesinger_lt | Reading the stuff on the kernel page leads me to believe that it will now be necessary to build a custom kernel for my crusoe processor based laptop, and probably better as crusoe seems to fit in 586 category. Is there a way to automate this? |
| 13:15.43 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I think there's a memory leak in Nautilus |
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| 13:16.27 | sirkit | libgtk2.0-dev is also already installed |
| 13:16.28 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | used like 400MB |
| 13:16.28 | sirkit | :) |
| 13:17.36 | slidesinger_lt | Ahhh, found the right trigger for dpkg and have a link. THanks. |
| 13:17.47 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | It's going back up now |
| 13:18.06 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | woo |
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| 13:18.19 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | I killed it and memory usage dropped from 99% to like 10% |
| 13:18.54 | GhostlyDeath|Lpt | but yeah, there's some kind of memory leak in it |
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| 13:24.05 | HardDisk_WP | fuck thunderbird/icedove! |
| 13:24.15 | HardDisk_WP | can't it just copy 100 mails without losing one?! |
| 13:24.27 | xand | yes it can |
| 13:25.19 | kommodore | don't use mozilla crap |
| 13:25.27 | HardDisk_WP | here not...I transfer mails from my private server to googlemail, it always loses one or two :X |
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| 13:28.40 | pozic | GhostlyDeath|Lpt: you cannot say such things without knowing more about the application. |
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| 13:31.27 | lxsameer | i want to install new gnu libc . one time when i update that my system break and dont work for ever . is there any hints to install that? |
| 13:31.40 | Gge | Hello , I would like to update my ATI Radeon X300 to last driver for my laptop Acer . Could noting by googling . Any uggestion ? |
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| 13:32.01 | FordCortina | what are the opengl header packages called? |
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| 13:32.14 | lkthomas-home | anyone try kolab ? does it support resource booking ? |
| 13:32.35 | FordCortina | i tried install libgl1-mesa-dev but that doesnt seem to be enough |
| 13:32.37 | Gge | humm could not find by googling |
| 13:33.26 | jelly-home | lxsameer: which debian release are you using? Why do you want to upgrade glibc? |
| 13:33.30 | abrotman | FordCortina: what file is it looking for ? |
| 13:33.44 | FordCortina | abrotman: i think its glu.h |
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| 13:33.53 | abrotman | FordCortina: so use apt-file to find it |
| 13:33.59 | FordCortina | i will |
| 13:34.14 | abrotman | sounds right to me though |
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| 13:34.44 | jelly-home | using other people's resources (/msg dpkg find) is almost always faster than local apt-file ;-) |
| 13:35.19 | FordCortina | got it now :) |
| 13:36.51 | frido | Hi, I'm trying to backport slapd from lenny->etch, on packages.debian.org is for lenny written that has slapd v.2.4.10 but when I do apt-get source -b slapd it's downloading 2.3.38 |
| 13:37.07 | abrotman | did you put in deb-src lines for lenny ? |
| 13:37.13 | frido | in sources.list is of course deb-src for lenny |
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| 13:43.28 | Mallxs | Two debian smb machines one lenny and one etch both samba Version 3.0.24 but still one has lanman auth = Yes and the other = No |
| 13:43.29 | Mallxs | in the testparm -cv output ..... any hint's how to fix this ? |
| 13:44.43 | nkuttler | frido: add a -t ? |
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| 13:45.31 | HardDisk_WP | what's a good mailclient for kde supporting imap-tls? |
| 13:45.36 | HardDisk_WP | kmail sucks |
| 13:46.02 | HardDisk_WP | refuses to see anything in my googlemail -.- |
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| 13:49.06 | riot | hi |
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| 13:57.31 | HardDisk_WP | ARGH. |
| 13:57.44 | HardDisk_WP | kmail ALSO loses mails when copying from one folder to another! |
| 13:57.57 | HardDisk_WP | even more than thunderbird, for hell |
| 13:58.01 | HardDisk_WP | this sucks |
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| 14:02.26 | dondelelcaro | HardDisk_WP: there's a reason why people use mutt and gnus |
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| 14:03.58 | Mallxs | Hi.. i still have problems with my 'sound juicer' ... an edited profile will not show up in the 'Output format' list |
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| 14:07.59 | Gigantic | ack... how do I negate grep results?... i.i want to list everything but mp3's: ls -RC /Data/D01/Media/Music/* | grep --invert-match *.mp3 |
| 14:08.10 | asg | Gigantic: grep -v |
| 14:08.10 | riot | anybody using autossh and having very frequent reconnects? |
| 14:08.11 | Gigantic | im using wrong string but... what's it |
| 14:08.23 | Gigantic | asg: it's same option |
| 14:09.03 | pumpkin0 | Gigantic: "find -type f | grep -v .mp3" (no *) |
| 14:09.22 | Gigantic | aaah |
| 14:09.26 | Gigantic | :) ty |
| 14:09.50 | Gigantic | (no*) command not found |
| 14:09.57 | Gigantic | jkin... |
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| 14:14.38 | lkthomas-home | guys, which opensource collabouration software do you suggest to use ? |
| 14:14.57 | abrotman | lkthomas-home: did you look at zimbra ? |
| 14:15.10 | lkthomas-home | obviously it is not what we need |
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| 14:15.54 | peppe | is lenny frozen? |
| 14:16.33 | pumpkin0 | peppe: usually not. |
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| 14:17.09 | peppe | mhm... |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 14:17.12 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 14:17.13 | abrotman | not yet |
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| 14:17.48 | wols_ | abrotman: the more interesting question is: when will etchnhalf be out? |
| 14:17.55 | abrotman | yesterday |
| 14:18.02 | riot | GAH. Package "comixcursors" (containing just a few small mouse-cursor images) is larger than 120 MB.. WHOA. Shall i file this as "bug"?? |
| 14:18.14 | abrotman | wols_: /topic |
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| 14:18.52 | peppe | abrotman: that message is dated 19 July, today is 27 and "I'll point out once again, that maintainers should look at the timeline and realise that next week we *FREEZE*." |
| 14:19.03 | abrotman | it's been just barely a week |
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| 14:19.15 | wols_ | abrotman: huh?"The current "stable" distribution of Debian GNU/Linux is version 4.0r3, codenamed etch. It was released on February 17th, 2008. " ;) |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | full toolchain + libraries/highly rdep-ed packages are frozen | lenny frozen |
| 14:19.17 | abrotman | --- Topic for #debian-devel |
| 14:19.18 | wols_ | abrotman: is 4. |
| 14:19.26 | wols_ | 4.0r4 = etchnhalf? |
| 14:19.32 | abrotman | wols_: it includes etchnhalf |
| 14:19.38 | peppe | abrotman: lenny frozen!!! wheee!!! |
| 14:19.40 | peppe | \o/ |
| 14:19.48 | abrotman | wols_: /msg dpkg 4.0r4 |
| 14:20.38 | abrotman | peppe: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html |
| 14:21.21 | peppe | abrotman: that was 20 minutes ago :-) |
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| 14:22.03 | Gigantic | ok... any way to not list directories also? |
| 14:22.17 | abrotman | in what? |
| 14:22.41 | abrotman | find . -type f |
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| 14:23.16 | Gigantic | :) |
| 14:23.26 | Gigantic | ls -RC /Data/D01/Media/Music/* | grep -v .mp3 | grep -v .wav | less |
| 14:23.47 | Gigantic | just want files listed |
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| 14:24.51 | GeckoPie | Is it safe to remove apt? To prevent myself or others accidentally using it over aptitude? |
| 14:24.57 | abrotman | no |
| 14:25.09 | pumpkin0 | Gigantic: find -type f |
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| 14:25.18 | xand | only root can use it to break anything |
| 14:25.24 | HarpyFiend | sudo rm -rf / is the best option |
| 14:25.26 | pumpkin0 | how do i match empty lines with grep ? |
| 14:25.31 | GeckoPie | Why is not not saefe to use apt? |
| 14:25.34 | GeckoPie | *remove |
| 14:25.39 | shreddi | hm. is there a way to tell kpowersave which command it has to use, when suspending to ram? |
| 14:25.44 | abrotman | GeckoPie: it has more than just 'apt-get' in it |
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| 14:26.02 | Gigantic | pumpkin0: uhm, yeah... but not sure how to add it to the comand string... =\ |
| 14:26.05 | GeckoPie | Yes I understand abrotman, but from what I'm aware aptitude can do everything the multiple apt programs can now |
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| 14:26.29 | rahul | GeckoPie: it can't |
| 14:26.31 | abrotman | HarpyFiend: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for giving destructive "advice" |
| 14:26.34 | GeckoPie | Ok |
| 14:26.40 | pumpkin0 | Gigantic: "find /Data/D01/Media/Music -type f | grep -v .mp3 | grep -v .wav | less" |
| 14:26.46 | GeckoPie | What does "i A" mean in aptitude? |
| 14:26.58 | rahul | GeckoPie: there are a few things that apt-get still is needed for |
| 14:27.06 | abrotman | GeckoPie: read the aptitude manual |
| 14:27.37 | GeckoPie | I understand that i means installed, but what about the A? |
| 14:27.41 | GeckoPie | Its not on the help menu thing |
| 14:27.53 | GeckoPie | Gah, i'll have to read man |
| 14:28.24 | rahul | SEE ALSO ... /usr/share/doc/aptitude/html/<lang>/index.html from the package aptitude-doc-<lang> |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | oh wait .. repeat troll .. |
| 14:28.26 | Gigantic | pumpkin0: Ty :) |
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| 14:28.57 | Mallxs | Hehe .. i found lame is missing in my gst-inspect... is there a enable command or something ? |
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| 14:29.10 | a-9 | :] |
| 14:29.30 | rahul | Mallxs: what are you talking about? |
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| 14:31.30 | pozic | I didn't change anything to my system, but I don't get any sound out of it anymore. How can I test sound in some low-level way? |
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| 14:31.42 | Joelito | Morning all |
| 14:31.47 | Mallxs | rahul: as i sad .. in sound juicer i count see the edited profiles in the output format list ... i think this is because something is wrong with the profile ... i was looking for my lame install and that looked ok .. but in the gst-inspect-0.10 of gstreamer there the lame does not showup |
| 14:32.23 | rahul | Mallxs: I cannot follow what you are saying at all |
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| 14:34.03 | Mallxs | rahul .. you know 'sound juicer' ? |
| 14:34.39 | Mallxs | are you on gnome ? |
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| 14:35.37 | rahul | this is #debian, not #gnome |
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| 14:36.05 | Mallxs | thx rahul i'm on debian lenny amd64 |
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| 14:36.50 | Mallxs | But no hard feleling thx for try |
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| 14:39.08 | Nyle | gandoo |
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| 14:47.31 | HardDisk_WP | anyone to debug mbsync with me? |
| 14:50.05 | rahul | unda |
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| 14:53.49 | HardDisk_WP | rahul, ? |
| 14:54.41 | rahul | HardDisk_WP: ; |
| 14:54.48 | zxxd | how |
| 14:54.57 | zxxd | i forgot how to remove all packages that have foobar-* |
| 14:54.59 | zxxd | using wildcard |
| 14:55.03 | zxxd | is it possible? |
| 14:55.08 | zxxd | with aptitude |
| 14:55.09 | HardDisk_WP | this is my conf: http://pastebin.com/m64a939d5 |
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| 14:55.31 | HardDisk_WP | but it complains about missing ssl cert |
| 14:56.08 | runa | hi i have debian lenny and audacious gives segmentation fault |
| 14:56.14 | runa | can sb help me |
| 14:56.31 | HardDisk_WP | mh, i had this with custom kernel |
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| 14:57.46 | liable | when did apache get an upgrade for etch? i didnt see a dsa for it |
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| 14:58.02 | Joelito | Hi all, How do I add a bootscreen in debian like the one in Ubuntu (like the logo and the progress bar) |
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| 14:58.39 | Ace2016_- | Joelito: splashy |
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| 14:59.31 | Joelito | Ace2016_- i'm using etch |
| 15:00.14 | asg | liable: /topic 4.0r4 |
| 15:02.42 | Joelito | asg: why? |
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| 15:03.23 | asg | Joelito: why what? |
| 15:03.25 | liable | asg: ah, danke |
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| 15:05.28 | greeg | i made a change to /etc/sudoers being --> jerware smax=cat /etc/sudoers where smax is the value returned from hostname and jerware is the end user account that i log into. |
| 15:05.59 | greeg | yet it's a syntax error |
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| 15:06.53 | DawnLight | ×ק××× |
| 15:06.57 | DawnLight | oops. hello! |
| 15:07.05 | avu | shalom |
| 15:07.29 | DawnLight | shalom and ahava (love) |
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| 15:08.29 | DawnLight | so i wanted to ask; now that there's etchnhalf; what wireless card should i purchase? |
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| 15:10.20 | avu | DawnLight, http://wireless.kernel.org/en/users/Devices is a start |
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| 15:10.42 | DawnLight | i know that list, but why does it have only two drivers mentiones? |
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| 15:10.56 | DawnLight | avu: ^ |
| 15:11.01 | avu | it doesn't? |
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| 15:11.35 | avu | but you're right, it's far from complete |
| 15:11.45 | flawer | hi one question. Can I install debian from ubunto? |
| 15:11.52 | DawnLight | it has rt61pci and b43 |
| 15:12.19 | wols_ | flawer: yes. debootstrap |
| 15:12.22 | avu | DawnLight, http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html is another source of recommendations |
| 15:12.23 | g00se | There's a 6-pin plug coming off my power supply with a single blue lead - what's it for - earth? |
| 15:12.28 | rsk | flawer: you can but if you ask that question it's going to take hours to setup, easier to just burn ubuntu and install it |
| 15:12.38 | rsk | g00se: #hardware |
| 15:12.43 | wols_ | g00se: PCI-E |
| 15:13.03 | g00se | Thanks |
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| 15:15.48 | avu | DawnLight, http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi also contains a plethora of information of course |
| 15:16.35 | DawnLight | thsnk avu |
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| 15:18.21 | lkthomas-home | asg, you there ? |
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| 15:19.53 | lkthomas-home | if I add a new contact on LDAP server, does it means anyone could see it if they connect to same ldap server as well ? |
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| 15:20.58 | gynterk | depens from your configuration |
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| 15:24.50 | knoxy | hi. I've a intel core 2 quad 2.4ghz processor. Yesterday, I was installed debian etch in this machine. When I try to look the cores in /proc/cpuinfo, I can see only one.. How can I do to configure debian to identify all cores? I'me using the kernel 2.6.18-6-686-bigmem |
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| 15:25.34 | melodos | anyone here? |
| 15:25.35 | melodos | lol |
| 15:25.40 | Maulkin | no |
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| 15:26.11 | melodos | The problem is that NVIDIA's driver doesn't support Xen kernels. |
| 15:26.25 | melodos | are there any workarounds for this issue? |
| 15:26.35 | Maulkin | Ask nvidia perhaps. |
| 15:26.36 | rsk | melodos: use an older kernel |
| 15:26.39 | Maulkin | Or use 'nv' |
| 15:26.44 | rsk | or non-xen |
| 15:26.45 | melodos | nv? |
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| 15:26.49 | Maulkin | Or a different kernel? |
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| 15:27.00 | melodos | The thing is that even non-Xen kernels have 'aspects' of Xen configuration turned on for 'clients' of Xen, and this is sufficient to upset the NVIDIA driver/installer. |
| 15:27.09 | melodos | as read on a post.. |
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| 15:28.04 | melodos | right so what kernel doesnt use xen at all |
| 15:28.26 | rsk | 2.6.24 afaik |
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| 15:28.32 | rsk | the 'debian' one |
| 15:28.38 | melodos | :) |
| 15:28.39 | rsk | that's what i reverted too |
| 15:28.40 | melodos | thax |
| 15:30.30 | greeg | jerware ALL= NOPASSWD: /etc/sudoers # outputs is --> Sorry, user jerware is not allowed to execute '/bin/cat /etc/sudoers' as root on smax. |
| 15:31.34 | gynterk | yes, would be locig |
| 15:31.37 | gynterk | logic* |
| 15:31.43 | gynterk | visudo wins |
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| 15:33.29 | Pronco | knoxy, install the enterprise kernel or smp |
| 15:34.31 | Pronco | knoxy, get the enterprise one. assuming you're using a big memory |
| 15:36.19 | dante_2core | re |
| 15:36.22 | rahul | what's an enterprise kernel? |
| 15:37.03 | rahul | is it one that goes where no man has gone before? |
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| 15:43.57 | Wyzard | melodos: I haven't had any Xen-related problems with the nVidia driver with any of Debian's packaged kernels |
| 15:44.26 | Wyzard | melodos: What version were you having a problem with? |
| 15:45.05 | rsk | Wyzard: can you install the nvidia installer on a 2.6.25 debian kernel ? |
| 15:45.36 | Wyzard | rsk: Yes, I'm running 2.6.25-2-amd64 right now |
| 15:45.53 | rsk | oh im running i386 |
| 15:46.00 | Wyzard | oh, but I didn't use the nVidia installer, I used the nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel packages |
| 15:46.06 | rsk | maybe xen dosen't work on 64bits on that kernel? |
| 15:46.07 | Wyzard | Don't use nVidia's installer script |
| 15:46.12 | rsk | so it's not affected |
| 15:46.17 | rsk | why |
| 15:46.45 | Wyzard | because it doesn't know how to properly integrate itself into Debian like the package does |
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| 15:47.17 | rsk | ok the nvidia installer worked |
| 15:47.21 | rsk | the package did not |
| 15:47.31 | rsk | so, no that's not the case for me. |
| 15:47.37 | Wyzard | What didn't work when you tried it? |
| 15:47.43 | Wyzard | I didn't say the installer fails |
| 15:48.14 | Wyzard | but the setup it does *will break* when your Mesa library gets updated |
| 15:48.31 | Ace2016_- | rsk: you should not use the nvidia installer |
| 15:48.43 | Wyzard | because it stepped on the package system's toes when replacing Mesa's OpenGL driver |
| 15:48.57 | rsk | the latest kernel in my repo is 2.6.18 and i'm using 2.6.24 from the repo |
| 15:49.01 | rsk | so it dosen't even fit |
| 15:49.07 | rsk | er.. kernel with nvidia |
| 15:49.18 | Ace2016_- | rsk: you should run m-a a-i nvidia |
| 15:49.20 | Ace2016_- | thats it |
| 15:49.35 | Ace2016_- | then nvidia will always get built from source correcly the debian way |
| 15:49.41 | Ace2016_- | correctly* |
| 15:49.48 | cusco_ | or whenever it breaks just login on console and install nvidia again |
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| 15:50.21 | Ace2016_- | cusco_: still its a bad idea |
| 15:50.26 | Wyzard | rsk: Debian doesn't make prebuilt nvidia-kernel packages anymore, for maintenance reasons... you run "m-a a-i nvidia" like Ace2016_- said and it builds the nvidia-kernel package for your system right then and there |
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| 15:50.34 | cusco_ | works for me |
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| 15:51.15 | kottlett | hi! can I disable ssh root login for password, but still let root login via ssh public key auth? |
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| 15:51.51 | dbristow | So, 4.0r4 has been announced (yesterday?) but none of the sites, including debian itself, has it available yet. |
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| 15:52.23 | cusco_ | kottlett: remove the password bit from /etc/shadow |
| 15:52.46 | DawnLight | so i wanted to ask; now that there's etchnhalf; what wireless card should i be purchasing? |
| 15:52.56 | kottlett | cusco_: hm... then su - wont work anymore, will it? |
| 15:52.56 | cusco_ | like root::13348:0:99999:7::: |
| 15:53.01 | cusco_ | kottlett: no |
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| 15:53.30 | cusco_ | forgot about that |
| 15:53.32 | kottlett | cusco_: and neither console login will :-/ |
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| 15:53.36 | cusco_ | no |
| 15:53.47 | mortal1 | what's the tool used instead of cdrecord to burn cds now? |
| 15:53.57 | cahoot | wodim |
| 15:54.00 | XLV | to update to 4.0r4 from r3, dist-upgrade is needed? |
| 15:54.02 | mortal1 | thx |
| 15:54.25 | cusco_ | wodim |
| 15:54.31 | cusco_ | ops |
| 15:54.54 | cusco_ | XLV: dist-upgrade doesn't mean distribution upgrade |
| 15:55.13 | cusco_ | dist-upgrade upgrades the packages that may or may not break your system |
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| 15:55.34 | cusco_ | due to old configs |
| 15:55.34 | cusco_ | etc |
| 15:55.41 | cusco_ | and yes it will be needed |
| 15:56.01 | Wyzard | hmm, the download links on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ are broken |
| 15:56.16 | cusco_ | use a mirror |
| 15:56.24 | FoxM | hi. How can I permanently unload a module that still loads even if it is in the blacklist? |
| 15:56.35 | FoxM | the module is 'ssb' |
| 15:56.44 | cahoot | !blacklist-intramfs |
| 15:56.58 | cahoot | !blacklist-initramfs |
| 15:56.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, blacklist-initramfs is If your kernel uses an initramfs image (most recent ones do), you need to run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r)' in order to refresh its copy of blacklist table. Otherwise, early bootup won't follow your blacklist requests in e.g. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 15:57.12 | cahoot | FoxM: ^^ |
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| 15:57.40 | kottlett | cusco_: it is even easier... "PermitRootLogin" has a setting "without-password" :) |
| 15:57.44 | dbristow | cusco_: that's what I'm trying to say, none of the mirrors are up to date for 4.0r4 |
| 15:57.51 | FoxM | thanks... cahoot! will try it |
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| 15:59.34 | XLV | cusco_ how its done then? i just run apt-get update and apt-get upgrade.. then i run apt-get dist-upgrade, shows no new packages to be installed.. |
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| 15:59.44 | Lectus | Hi! Is debian for amd64 fully working just like i386? |
| 15:59.55 | Wyzard | hmm, I've always used update-initramfs to regenerate my initramfs, not dpkg-reconfigure on a kernel package |
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| 16:01.17 | cahoot | Wyzard: skipping a middlehand? |
| 16:01.37 | Wyzard | Well, that's all the reconfigure actually does |
| 16:01.52 | Vasistha | Since lenny is now frozen (yay!) should I wait for an rc version of the debian installer, or would one advise that I just go for the beta 2? (of course on this machine I'll just do a dist-upgrade) |
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| 16:01.55 | Wyzard | I think the word you're looking for is "middleman" btw |
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| 16:02.07 | cahoot | Wyzard: sewnglish |
| 16:02.10 | cahoot | meh |
| 16:02.53 | Wyzard | Vasistha: I've heard that lenny is supposed to be frozen soon, but there's no news item on debian.org saying it's been done |
| 16:03.07 | Vasistha | Wyzard: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html |
| 16:04.30 | margiolas | hello i am running kde from svn tree the packages is ok the debian packages of kde 4.1 to install them on my home computer? |
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| 16:04.41 | Wyzard | oh, it was just two hours ago |
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| 16:06.48 | Vasistha | Wyzard: I noticed it was recent ... I just happened to be browsing! |
| 16:07.15 | Vasistha | margiolas: what version of debian are you using? |
| 16:07.40 | margiolas | Vasistha: sid |
| 16:07.50 | margiolas | but why are you asking? |
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| 16:09.02 | MatBoy | hi guys ! |
| 16:09.36 | MatBoy | does someone has a link for that debian hostkey scanner to see if they are OK again ? I only found a python version, I thought there was a lighter one |
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| 16:13.14 | Nyle | hm |
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| 16:13.30 | Nyle | is still looking for an inventory control software |
| 16:13.35 | Nyle | grr. |
| 16:13.37 | Wyzard | hmm... etch-and-a-half released the day before the next release is frozen |
| 16:13.46 | Nyle | I just got my bar code scanners and label printers in |
| 16:13.50 | Wyzard | thinks it should've been called something like etch-and-nine-tenths :-) |
| 16:13.55 | Nyle | hey Wyz |
| 16:14.01 | Nyle | Vasistha, long time nos ee |
| 16:14.22 | Vasistha | Nyle: indeed! how ya doin? |
| 16:14.23 | Nyle | etch and three quarters |
| 16:14.35 | Nyle | Vasistha, I been extremely ill lately, been at home for 3 weeks |
| 16:14.44 | Nyle | just came into the office today to prepare for tomorrow |
| 16:14.49 | Vasistha | Nyle: yow man. does that mean you've been spending a lot of time on irc? :D |
| 16:14.52 | Nyle | setting up inventory control systems |
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| 16:15.05 | Nyle | i need it WAN style, 5 stores in 5 states |
| 16:15.18 | Nyle | I don't feel like going proprietary but i may no have a choie |
| 16:15.41 | Nyle | it sucks, the software package im looking at is like a few thousand dollars |
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| 16:16.04 | Nyle | Free software does lack in a couple of departments, though no complainsts here |
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| 16:18.00 | Nyle | Vasistha, thats true |
| 16:18.09 | Nyle | Vasistha, hell, even at work i spend all my time on irc ;) |
| 16:18.18 | Vasistha | Nyle: heh |
| 16:18.28 | Nyle | so what you been upto buddy? |
| 16:18.29 | mordy_ | my screen saver fails to start. the screen turns off and turns back on again after a period of inactivity - something is going wrong. but where are the logs for this? |
| 16:18.42 | Nyle | mordy_, you sure its not set to blank? |
| 16:18.58 | Vasistha | Nyle: I'm sittin here lookin through the lenny RC bug list, to see if there's any reason I shouldn't upgrade asap. |
| 16:19.01 | Nyle | or maybe its set to like opengl saver but you have no 3d accel |
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| 16:19.22 | Nyle | Vasistha, 250ish so far? |
| 16:19.24 | mordy_ | nyle, even if it were set to blank, the monitor wouldn't be turning itself on and off every other mminute |
| 16:19.26 | Nyle | or less now? |
| 16:19.27 | Vasistha | Nyle: other than that, been working on my family DB project, which is going really strong. |
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| 16:19.34 | Nyle | mordy_, oh the monitor? |
| 16:19.35 | Nyle | hm |
| 16:19.38 | mordy_ | nyle, but i do have accel |
| 16:19.40 | Vasistha | Nyle: yeah, there's a lot of them -- the question is if any would effect *me* :D |
| 16:19.54 | Nyle | mordy_, maybe the screensaver is set to run in a certain resolution and when it switches |
| 16:19.59 | Nyle | there could be a video signal issue |
| 16:20.03 | Nyle | maybe that mode isn't supported |
| 16:20.10 | Nyle | so it tries to switch but can't so goes back |
| 16:20.11 | Nyle | maybe? |
| 16:20.20 | Wyzard | I've never heard of a screensaver trying to change the screen resolution |
| 16:20.26 | mordy_ | hmm.. but when i test the screensaver nothing goes wrong |
| 16:20.31 | Nyle | Wyzard, hm |
| 16:20.34 | mordy_ | wyzard, it's common, especially with 3d screensavers |
| 16:20.38 | Nyle | Wyzard, opengl based ones? |
| 16:20.48 | Nyle | Wyzard, sometimes its dropped me down to 640x480 |
| 16:20.51 | Wyzard | None of the OpenGL screensavers on my system do it |
| 16:20.57 | Nyle | maybe it was a bug, dunno, buy it has happend to me |
| 16:21.00 | Nyle | in the past |
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| 16:21.16 | Wyzard | nor ever have |
| 16:21.16 | mordy_ | it's common in windoze though. it's even the default |
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| 16:21.25 | mordy_ | gah, is there a log for this thing? |
| 16:21.36 | Wyzard | I'm talking about in X; I have no idea about screensavers in Windows |
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| 16:21.52 | mordy_ | well, it's something that's been happening ever since i installed it. but it probably has something to do with KDE, as this didn't exist when i use gnome |
| 16:21.53 | Wyzard | though, that reminds me, I should install Helios on my Windows box |
| 16:22.06 | mordy_ | what's helios? besides a greek sun god |
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| 16:22.40 | Wyzard | a screensaver at http://www.reallyslick.com/ |
| 16:22.46 | Wyzard | (The Linux version is in the rss-glx package) |
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| 16:22.54 | Phenox | hi folks. I have a question regarding bridge networking (lenny). I have installed VirtualBox OSE 1.6.2 and tried to create a HostInterface. I set up my /etc/network/interfaces as shown at http://pastebin.com/dd5bbaa0. I added the appropriate vbox interface using VBoxAddIF vbox0 phenox br0. Everything looks fine. But unfortunately when I try to connect to the network within a Virtual machine it won't work. I can see the outgoing t |
| 16:22.55 | Phenox | raffic on vbox0 but a tcpdump on eth0 as well as br0 will show nothing. any suggestions? |
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| 16:23.13 | mordy_ | gah, let me see what it's set to |
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| 16:24.10 | Vasistha | Phenox: perhaps you should ask in #vbox |
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| 16:24.41 | mordy_ | gah, it doesn't work. where are the logs for this? it's set to a screen saver, and it works fine when i test it |
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| 16:25.26 | lgc | http://www.howarddarkes.com/photos/linuxposter.jpg |
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| 16:25.56 | FoxM | hi. I am using ndiswrapper to use my wireless card, but when NetworkManager starts to connect, it completely freezes the machine. Any idea where I should start looking for logs or something to get a better idea of what in heaven is going on? |
| 16:26.36 | mordy_ | dmesg? |
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| 16:27.19 | FoxM | impossible... the machine freezes completely... after the reboot I start in single mode, but dmesg only shows the last booting process |
| 16:27.32 | lgc | (http://www.howarddarkes.com/photos/linuxposter.jpg.) That was just posted on #windows. I told them it's the chart of os-related problems! |
| 16:28.04 | mordy_ | bootlog maybe? maybe there are other dmesg archives..let me check |
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| 16:28.53 | mordy_ | foxm - look in the /var/log directory - dmesg.? would probably give you earlier dmesg logs\ |
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| 16:30.48 | Nyle | rahul, ping |
| 16:30.58 | Nyle | rahul, hey douche, pick up your phone! |
| 16:31.22 | mordy_ | any suggestion on my screensaver dillema? |
| 16:31.26 | mordy_ | dilemma* |
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| 16:32.07 | pickcoder | anyone know of a VAR for faxing solutions that offers Debian? |
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| 16:35.57 | DawnLight | hi mordy_ |
| 16:36.59 | pickcoder | iFax only offers CentOS and RHES for their turnkeys |
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| 16:37.03 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 16:37.25 | mordy_ | hello DawnLight |
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| 16:41.50 | ewet | hi, again about TMOUT: im setting TMOUT in my /etc/profile to 600 (look here: http://rafb.net/p/8SPif538.html). now I want all xterm (Xorg in general) to ignore this. so xterm sessions don't time out. all my attempts fail although I did almost everything I found in the net. anyone any ideas? |
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| 16:43.29 | shah | !transmission |
| 16:43.29 | dpkg | somebody said transmission was a free, lightweight BitTorrent client. It features a simple, intuitive interface on top on an efficient, cross-platform back-end. Transmission is open source (MIT license) and runs on Mac OS X (Cocoa interface), Linux/NetBSD/FreeBSD/OpenBSD (GTK+ interface) and BeOS/ZETA (native interface). http://transmission.m0k.org/ |
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| 16:47.27 | pickcoder | ewet: use the +ls option for the xterm command in X |
| 16:48.54 | Vasistha | Nyle: later man, nice to see you. I guess I'll probably be around in the coming weeks as I move several machines to lenny! |
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| 16:49.37 | DawnLight | so i wanted to ask; now that there's etchnhalf; what wireless card should i purchase? |
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| 16:50.07 | n-iCe | how can I save the set character encoding in the terminal? |
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| 16:53.16 | ewet | pickcoder: great, now it works. but now TMOUT is either unset or 0 but never 600 :/ (researching...) |
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| 16:53.46 | greeg | hi |
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| 16:53.54 | Nyle | bye |
| 16:54.07 | pickcoder | ewet: you can if-block the TMOUT too based on term-type |
| 16:54.32 | greeg | if i decide to duel boot windows xp and debian, is there anything about grub i outa research? or will debian installation (after windows installation) take care of everything for me. |
| 16:55.22 | pickcoder | in profile |
| 16:55.22 | Ace2016_- | greeg: it'll take care of it |
| 16:55.24 | wols_ | greeg: iz will |
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| 16:55.46 | XP | hi all |
| 16:56.07 | greeg | what iz ? |
| 16:56.19 | greeg | will duel boot intsallation be a pain in the ass ? |
| 16:56.34 | Nyle | !dualboot |
| 16:56.34 | dpkg | you have two hard drives... only some rich bastard would have more then one hard drive |
| 16:56.38 | Nyle | lol |
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| 16:57.06 | XP | all debian packages are precompiled. does anyone know, how to find out, which configure option were used for compiling? somehow with dpkg? mysql for example |
| 16:57.06 | Blast_Hardcheese | duel boot? |
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| 16:57.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | That sounds somewhat time-consuming |
| 16:57.29 | ndo | default debian filesystem is? |
| 16:57.47 | wols_ | debian has no default |
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| 16:58.03 | ndo | okay, suggested then? |
| 16:58.07 | Blast_Hardcheese | Debian default filesystem is FAT16 |
| 16:58.08 | wols_ | !ext3 |
| 16:58.08 | dpkg | it has been said that ext3 is the One True Filesystem. If you have to ask what filesystem you should be using, use ext3. Ask me about <ext2->ext3>, <xfs>, <ricerfs> and <filesystems>.. FAQ - http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext3 |
| 16:58.34 | pickcoder | likes chisel+stone |
| 16:58.35 | greeg | no, one hard drive |
| 16:58.43 | cromag | ricerfs ? |
| 16:58.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | lawl |
| 16:58.53 | Greyscale | murderfs? |
| 16:58.58 | Blast_Hardcheese | That involves gluing blue lights to your drives |
| 16:59.00 | cromag | typo |
| 16:59.09 | Blast_Hardcheese | (RicerFS does, anyway) |
| 16:59.12 | ndo | thats what i expected to hear, ty, just wast really sure was it 2 or 3 :) |
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| 16:59.29 | trinux | hello |
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| 16:59.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | Woo... Automatic router reboot time |
| 17:00.22 | trinux | i used "make-kpkg binary" to build a kernel, but it seems like a kbuild package is missing and i assume thats why the nvidia driver fails to build |
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| 17:00.47 | trinux | do i need to use "make-kpkg buildpackage" instead? |
| 17:01.09 | trinux | or how could i get the missing kbuild package for that custom kernel? |
| 17:01.14 | wols_ | trinux: what nvidia driver? from nvidia.com? |
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| 17:01.24 | trinux | wols_: yes |
| 17:01.33 | wols_ | trinux: unsupported |
| 17:02.01 | wols_ | you need kernel headers. that's all |
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| 17:02.06 | trinux | same problem for "m-a a-i nvidia" if you want to play that game |
| 17:02.16 | wols_ | I just told you |
| 17:02.19 | ewet | pickcoder: now everything is okay. The TMOUT=0 was my env "hack" i started this xterm with - hehe. so it was again this login shell trap... anyway thank you :) |
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| 17:02.24 | harobed | hi, on my debian, I deleted by mistake manu files in /usr/lib/python-2.5/site-packages/. Are there one command (apt ou dpkg) to check the files missing ? |
| 17:02.33 | trinux | the headers are installed |
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| 17:02.44 | wols_ | that's all you need. |
| 17:02.46 | harobed | s/manu/some/ |
| 17:02.54 | trinux | wols_: do you even listen? |
| 17:02.57 | wols_ | !tell trinux about errors |
| 17:03.02 | wols_ | trinux: do you? |
| 17:03.15 | Wyzard | trinux: Does /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build exist? |
| 17:03.28 | trinux | wols_: i am seriously tired of this kind of attitude of helpers. why dont you get lost if you give a flying fuck about people? |
| 17:03.36 | trinux | Wyzard: it points to the source |
| 17:03.55 | Ace2016_- | wols_: why no m-a a-i nvidia/ |
| 17:03.55 | Wyzard | trinux: and what error message do you get? |
| 17:03.57 | Ace2016_- | ? |
| 17:04.07 | wols_ | Ace2016_-: huh? |
| 17:04.09 | Wyzard | trinux: wols_ is right that headers should be all you need |
| 17:04.10 | trinux | Wyzard: "your kernel is not configured" |
| 17:04.21 | wols_ | trinux: there are no fucking headers! |
| 17:04.21 | Wyzard | trinux: Exactly what source does the build symlink point to? |
| 17:04.44 | trinux | Wyzard: /usr/src/linux-2.6.26 |
| 17:05.03 | Wyzard | trinux: You downloaded that from kernel.org, I assume |
| 17:05.07 | trinux | yes |
| 17:05.15 | Wyzard | trinux: Is that the source directory from which you built your actual current running kernel? |
| 17:05.20 | trinux | yes |
| 17:05.33 | Wyzard | trinux: Did you do a "make clean" or something after you did your build? |
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| 17:06.16 | trinux | Wyzard: i tried both. first with the source as it was after the build and later i did a "make-kpkg clean" with the same result |
| 17:06.17 | Ace2016_- | trinux: just run m-a a-i nvidia |
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| 17:06.24 | Ace2016_- | it'll install and compile everything |
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| 17:06.34 | trinux | ace2001ac: not it does not |
| 17:06.40 | DawnLight | so i wanted to ask; now that there's etchnhalf; what wireless card should i purchase? |
| 17:06.42 | Ace2016_- | as root/ |
| 17:06.47 | Wyzard | trinux: I'm not sure exactly what's wrong with your source tree if it was considered "not configured" immediately after doing a build |
| 17:06.50 | Ace2016_- | trinux: is module-assistant installed? |
| 17:07.03 | trinux | ace2001ac: please dont get on my nerves |
| 17:07.08 | Ace2016_- | :( |
| 17:07.11 | Ace2016_- | whats wrong? |
| 17:07.12 | Wyzard | trinux: but my recommendation would be to use make-kpkg to build a linux-headers package (corresponding to the linux-image package you've already built) and install that |
| 17:07.30 | trinux | Wyzard: dude. thats what i did and this header package is installed |
| 17:07.31 | Wyzard | trinux: That should give you a build symlink that points to a proper set of configured headers |
| 17:08.04 | Wyzard | trinux: You built and installed a linux-headers-2.6.26 package but your build symlink doesn't point to something like /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26? |
| 17:08.21 | trinux | Wyzard: exactly. it points to the source and not to the headers |
| 17:08.39 | wols_ | Wyzard: it always points there |
| 17:09.06 | wols_ | but the nvidia installer only needs linux-header and is perfectly happy with that. both nvidia.com and debian nvidia compiles don't need anything more |
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| 17:09.36 | Wyzard | trinux: The build symlink should point to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.26 if it was created by the linux-headers package (which it normally is) |
| 17:09.37 | wols_ | but since trinux is too daft to show error messages even when asked, I doubt ther eis much you can do |
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| 17:09.57 | Wyzard | for example, I'm running 2.6.25-2-amd64 and my /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-amd64/build points to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| 17:10.05 | wols_ | Wyzard: no it does not. I have a self compiled kernel here which happens to point to /root/linux-2.6.xx |
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| 17:10.21 | wols_ | Wyzard: you are running a debian kernel, no a custom one |
| 17:10.46 | Wyzard | wols_: make-kpkg's kernel-image packages contain a build symlink pointing back to the source tree it was built from? |
| 17:10.53 | jaggz- | how do I properly update git 1.4.4.4 to this one aptitude shows me 1.5.5.1 (from backports) ? |
| 17:10.56 | wols_ | Wyzard: yes |
| 17:11.17 | Wyzard | OK, I stand corrected then -- I stopped building custom kernels about a year ago so evidently my memory is getting fuzzy :-) |
| 17:11.20 | wols_ | jaggz-: you read backports.org more carefully |
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| 17:11.34 | wols_ | Wyzard: but it doesn't matter and trinux is feeding us a load of bull |
| 17:11.47 | Wyzard | wols_: He said his error message is that the kernel is not configured |
| 17:11.50 | Nyle | Wyzard, too much pot? |
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| 17:12.06 | wols_ | Wyzard: which means he lacks config.h or modversion.h or whatever it's called today |
| 17:12.20 | wols_ | which CLEARLY shows: no linux headers, no matter how much shit he told us |
| 17:12.28 | Wyzard | wols_: right, which should've existed after doing a build, which is why I asked whether he'd done a "make clean" |
| 17:13.10 | wols_ | linux-headers is copied to some other pace than the original place of the linux source tree |
| 17:13.22 | wols_ | and I guess his nvidia script looked at the debian place and didn't find it |
| 17:13.34 | Wyzard | wols_: getting poor info for troubleshooting is not grounds to condescendingly insult a user |
| 17:13.35 | wols_ | I know that it always finds it from my linux-header packages |
| 17:14.00 | wols_ | if a user lies to me, what are you expect to do? |
| 17:14.27 | Wyzard | ask intelligent questions to figure out what's really going on, or say sorry, I can't help you |
| 17:14.44 | jaggz- | wols, didn't think about reading them at all.. thanks. |
| 17:15.09 | wols_ | I we did. repeatedly. got ignored and insulted instead |
| 17:15.22 | wols_ | cause he knew better |
| 17:15.29 | Wyzard | wols_: encounters like yours with trinux is the sort of thing that gives Debian a reputation for being unfriendly |
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| 17:17.50 | n-iCe | how do I save the char seleting terminal configuration? |
| 17:18.39 | Nyle | huh? |
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| 17:18.57 | Nyle | Wyzard, its usual/common with him |
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| 17:19.02 | Nyle | not just trinux... |
| 17:19.41 | n-iCe | Nyle: do you know how to save the set character encoding? in the terminal, cuz when I select the one I want, and close and reopen the terminal changes to UTF and i don't want iiiiiiiiit |
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| 17:19.42 | Wyzard | At least mwilson isn't around anymore :-) |
| 17:19.49 | Nyle | shit |
| 17:19.55 | Nyle | mwilson was a saint compared to this shit |
| 17:20.05 | Wyzard | (I've seen him in #fedora, btw) |
| 17:20.07 | Ace2016_- | who was wwilson? |
| 17:20.09 | Nyle | n-iCe, hm |
| 17:20.24 | Nyle | you mean the LANG? |
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| 17:20.31 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: a grouchy user who was often condescending or insulting to people asking questions |
| 17:20.32 | Nyle | !locales |
| 17:20.32 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 17:20.37 | Nyle | n-iCe, ^^ |
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| 17:21.04 | n-iCe | Nyle: i did it |
| 17:21.16 | pickcoder | doesn't /etc/environment apply to Etch and Lenny too? |
| 17:21.16 | Nyle | Wyzard, I've brought this up with stew, who basically told me to fuck off. I mentioned it to dondelelcaro and I never got a response |
| 17:21.23 | n-iCe | dpkg-reconfigure locales i already did it, and selected the on I want, how do I select the locale now? |
| 17:21.29 | Nyle | Wyzard, I simply just let it go as it goes... |
| 17:21.44 | Nyle | Wyzard, if people are gonna say shit about #debian, I'll continue to defend #debian |
| 17:21.48 | Nyle | whatever, I don't mind. |
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| 17:22.33 | Nyle | n-iCe, what exactly is the problem? |
| 17:22.40 | Nyle | n-iCe, that should work afaik |
| 17:23.04 | n-iCe | Look, I want to select ISO-8859-1 to use in the terminal |
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| 17:23.31 | Nyle | n-iCe, I'm not sure |
| 17:23.43 | Nyle | I'm sure someone else knows :) |
| 17:23.48 | cusco | n-iCe: just logout that session and log back in or export LANG |
| 17:23.52 | DawnLight | does anyone know which wireless card i should purchase for production use in 2.6.24? |
| 17:24.03 | n-iCe | I added it to terminal >> set character enconding, the thing is, how do I save the configuration, to always use ISO |
| 17:24.06 | Nyle | DawnLight, I hear ralink works fairly well under linux |
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| 17:24.14 | Nyle | !ralink |
| 17:24.15 | dpkg | Ralink makes WLAN chipsets (product list: http://ralink.rapla.net/). They are notable for releasing software interface specs and - more or less buggy - GPL drivers for the RT2500, and do not require a (non-free) firmware. Out-of-tree kernel modules are available in Etch for RT2400, RT2500 and RT2570 (for RT2561, ask about <rt61>). Use <module-assistant> to install (eg. "m-a a-i rt2500"). Also ask about <rt2x00>. RT2800: <rt2800>. |
| 17:24.17 | n-iCe | cusco: uhm |
| 17:24.17 | cusco | export LANG=en_GB |
| 17:24.20 | cusco | or something |
| 17:24.23 | Nyle | DawnLight, also consult with ##wireless |
| 17:24.30 | DawnLight | Nyle: thanks |
| 17:24.33 | n-iCe | cusco: ah ok, let me try |
| 17:24.37 | jaggz- | wow..w hat an attractive nick "DawnLight" |
| 17:24.40 | Nyle | DawnLight, sure |
| 17:24.53 | Ace2016_- | slashdot had a wireless opensource chipset story |
| 17:24.59 | DawnLight | Nyle: #wireless |
| 17:25.08 | Nyle | oh, I thought it was unofficla like ## |
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| 17:25.50 | Nyle | heh, in open arena game I selected the big titty chic model |
| 17:25.54 | Nyle | and my char name is Jugz |
| 17:25.55 | Nyle | ;) |
| 17:26.03 | n-iCe | cusco: export LANG=es_MX , sound good to you? |
| 17:26.48 | Nyle | n-iCe, isn't that what I said, and the factoid too? |
| 17:27.07 | cusco | n-iCe: locale -a |
| 17:27.10 | cusco | chose one of them |
| 17:27.24 | cusco | n-iCe: that will only work temporarly until you logout tho |
| 17:28.08 | rah | I have an application that "should" work with real-time scheduling |
| 17:28.36 | n-iCe | cusco: uhm |
| 17:28.40 | pickcoder | DawnLight: you can get just about any device to work with NDIS |
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| 17:28.42 | n-iCe | es_MX |
| 17:28.42 | n-iCe | es_MX.iso88591 |
| 17:28.42 | n-iCe | POSIX |
| 17:28.44 | rah | I've set rtprio in /etc/security/limits.conf |
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| 17:29.00 | rah | however, I still get: cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 10) [for thread 1219163872, from thread 1219163872] (1: Operation not permitted) |
| 17:29.02 | n-iCe | I did, export LANG=es_MX , and now I can't write acents |
| 17:29.08 | n-iCe | and the ISO is not selected :S |
| 17:29.16 | cusco | n-iCe: that is due to the keyboard layout |
| 17:29.19 | cusco | not system charset |
| 17:29.21 | cusco | (I guess) |
| 17:29.32 | jaggz- | :) |
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| 17:29.33 | rah | does anyone have any ideas? |
| 17:29.36 | n-iCe | I still need to select it manually, and after selecting(iso) i can't use acents anymore |
| 17:29.44 | n-iCe | cusco: no I could, after i pasted the command |
| 17:29.50 | n-iCe | manually, but i could |
| 17:29.57 | cusco | what command? |
| 17:30.08 | n-iCe | export LANG=es_MX |
| 17:30.13 | cusco | that worked? |
| 17:30.15 | DawnLight | pickcoder: you're kind of right |
| 17:30.19 | cusco | than dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:30.19 | n-iCe | didn't get a error reply |
| 17:30.23 | cusco | chose es_MX as your default |
| 17:30.26 | n-iCe | but i can't use acents anymore |
| 17:30.29 | cusco | ah |
| 17:30.30 | n-iCe | cusco: it is already |
| 17:30.32 | cusco | then use the iso one |
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| 17:30.38 | cusco | es_MX.iso88591 |
| 17:30.39 | n-iCe | I tried it, same thing |
| 17:30.47 | cusco | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:30.56 | cusco | look for the es_MX utf |
| 17:30.58 | cusco | as well |
| 17:30.58 | knoxy | Where I find the "Enterprise debian kernel" ? |
| 17:31.05 | Nyle | what? |
| 17:31.10 | Nyle | there is no such thing |
| 17:31.24 | cusco | that should not be related tho, any of them iso or utf es_MX charsets should have acenbts |
| 17:31.32 | UD | Is there any issues with latest stable kernel release 2.6.26 and 4.0 stable release |
| 17:32.03 | UD | i would like to recompile with latest stable verison |
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| 17:32.19 | cusco | UD: if thei're stable there shouldn't, ask in #kernel tho |
| 17:32.38 | UD | well i meant specific to debian |
| 17:32.56 | pickcoder | UD: if it's not in the backports for Etch then it hasn't been tested |
| 17:33.09 | UD | and im about to do an update with aptitude |
| 17:33.28 | cusco | im using 2.6.25 in testing, anything above that would either be on unstable or experimental and as such its not stable |
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| 17:34.02 | james22 | hello |
| 17:34.04 | UD | according to kernel.org 2.6.26 is latest stable version |
| 17:34.22 | james22 | I want to e2fsck my root filesystem should i unmount it ? or remount it ro ? |
| 17:34.34 | Wyzard | james22: Either is OK, but don't leave it mounted rw |
| 17:34.52 | Wyzard | james22: If you remount it ro and fsck makes any changes, you should remount it afterward |
| 17:35.20 | james22 | so I can remount it "ro" and then call fsck and then remount it rw again ? and this will not destroy my root filesystem? :) |
| 17:35.30 | james22 | btw Ive got a ext3 filesystem |
| 17:35.43 | n-iCe | cusco: done, but i still need to select ISO In the terminal options manually, how can I make them default? |
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| 17:35.45 | Wyzard | That should be OK |
| 17:36.17 | pickcoder | UD: as cusco stated, ask #kernel. Bear in mind that many people here won't support site compiled kernels. |
| 17:36.19 | Wyzard | To be completely safe you should unmount it before remounting it rw |
| 17:36.27 | james22 | Wyzard: "mount -o remount,ro /" brings me "/" is busy |
| 17:36.35 | Wyzard | I'm not sure if a "remount" while already mounted completely re-reads all metadata that fsck might have changed |
| 17:36.37 | pickcoder | (having said that I know a lot of people that run vanilla kernels from k.org |
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| 17:36.51 | Wyzard | yeah, you can't remount a filesystem read-only if anything has files open for writing on it |
| 17:37.03 | james22 | what now ? :) |
| 17:37.22 | Wyzard | For a root filesystem, you basically have to shut down |
| 17:37.25 | cusco | n-iCe: that means that your terminal is using utf |
| 17:37.27 | UD | thanks |
| 17:37.29 | UD | here goes |
| 17:37.32 | Wyzard | The simplest thing to do would be "touch /forcefsck" and reboot |
| 17:37.34 | cusco | n-iCe: restart x |
| 17:37.35 | UD | i can always go back |
| 17:37.45 | pickcoder | UD: as long as you make it a package, yup. :) |
| 17:37.50 | pickcoder | loves that about Debian |
| 17:37.50 | Wyzard | That'll make the startup scripts run fsck during the boot process, before the filesystem is writable |
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| 17:39.58 | UD | what like with checkinstall? |
| 17:40.34 | UD | i could just change lilo to boot to my old kernel |
| 17:40.51 | UD | what else is make install going to do |
| 17:40.52 | n-iCe | ok thanks |
| 17:40.53 | n-iCe | brb |
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| 17:41.04 | UD | some man pages heh |
| 17:41.14 | UD | good question for checkinstall i gues |
| 17:41.22 | pickcoder | UD: if you use make-kpkg then you can install the .deb and it will configure the boot options for you. If you have issues, you can just uninstall it |
| 17:41.22 | UD | here goes |
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| 17:41.26 | cusco | no not with check install |
| 17:41.31 | pickcoder | !tell UD about kp mantra |
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| 17:42.47 | sly007 | Hello, when there is a web page with adobe flash animations, the animation is grey with an arrow waiting for me to click it. How do I make them play immediatly without clicking? |
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| 17:43.41 | DimmuR | how can i check which process makes most load on hard drive? |
| 17:44.02 | _pepo_ | yo can check the load with top |
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| 17:45.43 | DimmuR | but top doesn't show what's reading much data from hdd :> |
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| 17:46.12 | amikrop | Hello. Can I group my contacts in Skype? |
| 17:46.14 | mordy_ | i'm trying to build the uvcvideo driver - but am getting this error message http://rafb.net/p/XREg6C76.html - i've install libpt-plugins - am i missing anything else? |
| 17:46.22 | peppe | amikrop: is skype in debian? |
| 17:46.32 | amikrop | peppe: I use it, yes. |
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| 17:46.36 | jackweb | yes |
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| 17:46.41 | jackweb | download from skype.com |
| 17:46.43 | mordy_ | !skype |
| 17:46.43 | dpkg | skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program and is an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties. It is not in debian because we are not allowed to distribute it. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" |
| 17:46.59 | jackweb | !fluxbox |
| 17:46.59 | dpkg | well, fluxbox is a forked off <blackbox> and is found at http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net, or blackbox the featureless wonder with some added features You can also ask #fluxbox for non-debian specific information. |
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| 17:47.05 | Nyle | !msg the bot |
| 17:47.05 | dpkg | Please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database, or ask me about <bot help> <help> |
| 17:47.13 | jackweb | !help |
| 17:47.25 | peppe | amikrop: and I use windows xp virtualized in debian, but I won't come here to ask how to add a printer on that windows xp |
| 17:47.29 | Nyle | !lart jackweb |
| 17:47.29 | dpkg | shoots jackweb in his sleep |
| 17:47.30 | DawnLight | how do i find out which version of ath5k is in my kernel? |
| 17:47.39 | arcsky | hey i wonder if anyone know good simple tool for check if a hdd is broken ? |
| 17:47.46 | peppe | DawnLight: hm... dmesg? messages? |
| 17:47.50 | peppe | arcsky: smartmontools |
| 17:47.54 | Nyle | arcsky, smartmontools, uhm.. badblocks |
| 17:47.57 | Nyle | fsck |
| 17:48.01 | DimmuR | arcsky, badblocks if you want check for badblocks |
| 17:48.03 | DawnLight | peppe: no, i don't have HW |
| 17:48.05 | amikrop | peppe: OK. Anyway, can you help me, please? |
| 17:48.07 | mordy_ | any suggestions on why i can't build this? http://rafb.net/p/XREg6C76.html |
| 17:48.12 | arcsky | thanks |
| 17:48.24 | peppe | amikrop: I don't use skype, and dpkg told you why I don't use skype |
| 17:48.29 | amikrop | ok |
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| 17:48.45 | peppe | well, gentleness in person |
| 17:48.57 | peppe | DawnLight: why? modprobe that module and look |
| 17:49.05 | DawnLight | peppe: ah, right |
| 17:49.14 | peppe | or modinfo |
| 17:49.28 | pickcoder | DimmuR: atop can show it, but the kernel needs a patch |
| 17:50.48 | DimmuR | hmm thanks for hint pickcoder something is overloading my drive and system freezes and i can't find what's it (hdparm -tT outputs 1GB/s and 55MB/s) |
| 17:51.10 | pickcoder | atop with the "d" command should show process/disk stat |
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| 17:52.40 | sly007 | Hello, when there is a web page with adobe flash animations, the animation is grey with an arrow waiting for me to click it. How do I make them play immediatly without clicking? |
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| 17:54.12 | mrglinux | hi in need torrent clinet command line base for debian eatch . |
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| 17:56.16 | user__ | hello i am on debian testing. i can login to the mysql server via phpmyadmin, but am not successful with openoffice base (jdbc). i am pretty sure the credentials are correct. am i missing something else? maybe sockets versus tcp/ip? how could i turn those on/off. in /etc/mysql nothing struck me as relevent. |
| 17:57.22 | Nyle | mrglinux, rtorrent |
| 17:57.25 | Nyle | ncurses based |
| 17:57.34 | Nyle | !rtorrent |
| 17:57.34 | dpkg | from memory, rtorrent is a solid, powerful and very efficient curses-based bittorrent client. Packaged for Debian as 'rtorrent'. http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/ #rtorrent @ irc.freenode.net. |
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| 17:59.50 | jackweb | !lart jackweb |
| 17:59.50 | dpkg | cuts off jackweb's head with a halberd that could have been a little bit sharper |
| 18:00.00 | jackweb | ^^ |
| 18:00.10 | jackweb | I'm going out |
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| 18:00.31 | insta | hey guys, i'm looking for an easy-ish way to install debian onto a flashdrive, but i'd like to do it with a minimum of writes onto the flashdrive. so, i'd like to install onto a harddrive partition (or loopback-mounted filesystem) and then when i'm all done tweaking copy the entire thing over |
| 18:00.31 | mordy_ | gah, any suggestions on building this thing? http://rafb.net/p/XREg6C76.html |
| 18:00.36 | insta | are there any guides / tutorials for this? |
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| 18:00.51 | mordy_ | there are *supposed* to be binaries for this thing, but i have yet to find them |
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| 18:02.58 | mordy_ | insta - why not just dd? |
| 18:03.23 | mordy_ | dd if=hard drive of=flash drive. just make sure the partition you're installing to is the same size or smaller than the flash drive |
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| 18:03.51 | mordy_ | they also have prepackaged live CDs whcih also work on USB, but those aren't tweaked |
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| 18:04.59 | magyar | hi, how safe is it to install debian on Intel ICH9 RAID? |
| 18:05.10 | insta | mordy_: dd is how i plan to get the final image to the flashdrive |
| 18:05.13 | valdyn | magyar: uh? safe? |
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| 18:05.16 | mordy_ | well, on second thought you may also want to edit the bootloader on the flashdrive |
| 18:05.17 | rajkohax | hello |
| 18:05.20 | valdyn | magyar: dont use that software raid feature |
| 18:05.22 | rajkohax | i have eth0 local ip |
| 18:05.25 | rajkohax | eth1 dhcp ip internet |
| 18:05.29 | rajkohax | i can dig google.com |
| 18:05.31 | rajkohax | i can ping the google ip |
| 18:05.37 | magyar | valdyn: got it, thanks |
| 18:05.38 | rajkohax | but when i do ping google.com it says unknown host |
| 18:05.39 | wols_ | !enter |
| 18:05.39 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 18:05.57 | valdyn | magyar: you could do it safely, but linux md raid is superior |
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| 18:05.59 | insta | haha |
| 18:06.03 | wols_ | rajkohax: misconfigured DNS: cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 18:06.12 | rajkohax | nameserver 4.2.2.2 |
| 18:06.21 | insta | mordy_: my question was more 'how do you intsall debian into a 1GB ext3 loopback-mounted file while inside of another OS without using a virtual machine' |
| 18:06.39 | wols_ | insta: debootstrap |
| 18:07.00 | wols_ | rajkohax: that's a root nameserver? |
| 18:07.09 | rajkohax | it doesnt matter whats on there |
| 18:07.13 | rajkohax | dig resolves fine |
| 18:07.18 | magyar | valdyn: I thought about splitting a 500GB raid for dual boot GNU/MS |
| 18:07.21 | rajkohax | it uses those right ? |
| 18:07.22 | wols_ | dig output please then |
| 18:07.33 | rajkohax | bunch of A entries |
| 18:07.35 | rajkohax | as normal |
| 18:07.42 | wols_ | who uses wehat? ping google.com uses resolv.conf |
| 18:07.47 | wols_ | rajkohax: pastebin |
| 18:07.48 | rajkohax | server 4.2.2.2 |
| 18:07.52 | valdyn | magyar: then you have to use that software raid, its dmraid in linux |
| 18:07.59 | valdyn | !dmraid |
| 18:08.00 | dpkg | somebody said fakeraid was term used for controller cards that advertise RAID functionality that is NOT supported by a hardware chip for parity. Most of these have only a BIOS ... if you use them with Debian it's suggested that you don't set a RAID in the BIOS and don't use dmraid, just use regular software RAID (ask me about <md>). see <sata faq> |
| 18:08.24 | unop | insta, you could use debchroot |
| 18:08.25 | valdyn | rajkohax: i dont know if the installer supports dmraid, but debian has it |
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| 18:08.34 | valdyn | magyar: ^^ |
| 18:08.42 | rajkohax | dig output is fine |
| 18:08.48 | rajkohax | it says server 4.2.2.2 |
| 18:08.57 | rajkohax | at the bottom |
| 18:08.59 | rajkohax | i cant pastebin |
| 18:09.01 | magyar | valdyn: nahh, screw it, I'll just get a separate drive for ms os. Thanks valdyn |
| 18:09.02 | wols_ | !entre |
| 18:09.06 | wols_ | you have internet, you can pastebin |
| 18:09.14 | rajkohax | really |
| 18:09.17 | rajkohax | on a console only |
| 18:09.18 | wols_ | rajkohax: fix your enter key please |
| 18:09.28 | rajkohax | that cant dns resolve |
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| 18:10.00 | wols_ | rajkohax: since you are unwilling to do what I asked for or fix your enter key: have a nice day |
| 18:10.04 | rajkohax | question section google.com in a answer section google.com 185 in a 72.14.207.99 |
| 18:10.27 | wols_ | Wyzard: aren't you proud of me now? |
| 18:10.31 | rajkohax | query time 56msec server 4.2.2.2#53(4.2.2.2) when sun jul 27 22:08:04 2008 msg size rcvd 76 |
| 18:10.37 | rajkohax | there i retyped it |
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| 18:11.26 | Wyzard | wols_: getting better :-) |
| 18:12.26 | rajkohax | do you REALLY need a pastebin |
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| 18:13.05 | mordy_ | generally pastebins are preferred as opposed to scrolling text, not to mention that the pastebin layout preserves the line breaks etc. |
| 18:13.32 | rajkohax | i dont even know how to copy paste in console... and i have to do it in lynx... its a pain to do it i gave you the main contents |
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| 18:13.45 | Wyzard | rajkohax: What's in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 18:13.53 | rajkohax | nameserver 4.2.2.2 |
| 18:14.08 | rajkohax | i edited it just in case, it had my isp's 2 dns servers because of dhcp there |
| 18:14.23 | Wyzard | Why did you edit it? |
| 18:14.29 | Wyzard | Your ISP's servers are the right ones to use |
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| 18:14.38 | rajkohax | it doesnt matter anyway, same behaviour |
| 18:14.54 | rajkohax | and errm no they arent they are down sometime i usually use opendns |
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| 18:15.35 | Wyzard | If your ISP's DNS servers go down -- both of them -- more than rarely, you need to complain to your ISP |
| 18:16.04 | Wyzard | and you can configure your DHCP client to put the OpenDNS servers in front of the ISP's |
| 18:17.08 | Wyzard | Anyway, if you can lookup a name with dig but it fails when using something like ping, that seems like an issue with the system's resolver |
| 18:17.23 | Wyzard | What's on the "hosts:" line in your /etc/nsswitch.conf? |
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| 18:19.46 | rajkohax | yeah my isp is crap |
| 18:20.02 | rajkohax | um |
| 18:20.03 | rajkohax | files dns |
| 18:20.11 | Wyzard | OK, that's right |
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| 18:20.30 | Wyzard | and you don't have any lines for google.com in /etc/hosts, do you? |
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| 18:20.49 | rajkohax | no. resolving worked before i added eth0 static 192.168.0.1 |
| 18:20.59 | rajkohax | i want to connect to this computer from my lan |
| 18:21.04 | Wyzard | oh |
| 18:21.16 | rajkohax | eth1 is dhcp wan |
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| 18:21.24 | Wyzard | If the problem started when you changed your network configuration, that's an important piece of information that you should have mentioned at the beginning |
| 18:21.39 | rajkohax | i mentioned the configuration first |
| 18:22.07 | Wyzard | You said "eth0 local ip", "eth1 dhcp ip internet" |
| 18:22.20 | Wyzard | which is vague, and you didn't say that it started when you *changed* it |
| 18:22.33 | rajkohax | its the first thing i did after clean install |
| 18:22.43 | rajkohax | it already had eth1 which is what i used to install from net |
| 18:22.50 | Wyzard | You're saying that it worked before you assigned an IP address to eth0, right? |
| 18:22.59 | rajkohax | eth0 works i can access computers from my lan and they can access it |
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| 18:23.29 | rajkohax | there wasnt a eth0, i added it iface eth0 inet static address 192.168.0.1 netmask 255.255.255.0 |
| 18:23.46 | Wyzard | but before that, your DNS worked? |
| 18:23.52 | rajkohax | yes |
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| 18:23.59 | Wyzard | Does it work again if you bring down eth0? |
| 18:24.07 | rajkohax | ifdown eth0 no |
| 18:24.14 | rajkohax | but if i remove it from interfaces and reboot it does |
| 18:24.47 | Wyzard | You shouldn't need to reboot |
| 18:24.55 | Wyzard | How about if you ifdown eth0 and comment out the entry in interfaces? |
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| 18:25.45 | rajkohax | unknown interface eth0 ? |
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| 18:26.15 | rajkohax | works |
| 18:26.21 | rajkohax | ifdown first then comment out |
| 18:26.34 | Wyzard | You can ping google.com now? |
| 18:26.38 | rajkohax | yes |
| 18:26.40 | snikker | how can i copy a real file instead of his simlink? |
| 18:26.53 | rajkohax | i did a ifup eth0 and i can still ping it |
| 18:26.59 | rajkohax | lets see if that persists upon reboot |
| 18:27.01 | beardy | snikker: Copy the file the link links to.. |
| 18:27.09 | Wyzard | No, wait |
| 18:27.10 | beardy | snikker: Also ' |
| 18:27.24 | Wyzard | You said you commented out the eth0 entry in your interfaces file |
| 18:27.27 | beardy | snikker: 'man cp' for options to follow symlinks. |
| 18:27.32 | Wyzard | then you said you did ifup eth0 |
| 18:27.34 | rajkohax | i put it back |
| 18:27.37 | rajkohax | then did ifup eth0 |
| 18:27.40 | DawnLigh1 | can anyone explain how this approx thing works? |
| 18:27.42 | Wyzard | ok |
| 18:27.47 | rajkohax | also Starting MTA kinda hangs on boot |
| 18:27.51 | rajkohax | for a minute or so |
| 18:27.55 | snikker | beardy: ok i'll look tha man |
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| 18:28.04 | Wyzard | If you want to get help here, you have to tell us what you're doing; don't go off on tangents trying random things and not mentioning what changes you're making |
| 18:28.53 | rajkohax | i rebooted and cant ping google again |
| 18:29.05 | Wyzard | ok |
| 18:29.16 | Wyzard | ifdown eth0 and comment out the entry in interfaces again |
| 18:29.39 | Wyzard | and what's in your resolv.conf file now that you've rebooted? |
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| 18:29.58 | rajkohax | my isps |
| 18:30.11 | rajkohax | search sbb.rs |
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| 18:30.18 | rajkohax | namserver 82.117.194.2 |
| 18:30.24 | Wyzard | ok |
| 18:30.51 | Wyzard | If you ifdown eth0 and comment out the entry in interfaces, can you ping google.com? |
| 18:31.06 | rajkohax | interface eth0 not configured |
| 18:31.26 | Wyzard | That's normal if it isn't set to auto and you didn't ifup it manually after rebooting |
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| 18:31.44 | rajkohax | its set to allow-hotplug eth0 |
| 18:32.07 | Wyzard | hmm, that's basically auto |
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| 18:32.19 | Wyzard | but anyway, make sure it's down, and then comment it out, and try pinging google |
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| 18:32.58 | rajkohax | nop |
| 18:33.11 | Ab3l | hi |
| 18:33.18 | Wyzard | ping google.com fails even with no eth0? |
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| 18:33.59 | rajkohax | yes |
| 18:34.24 | Wyzard | Can you look up google.com with dig? |
| 18:34.37 | rajkohax | yes |
| 18:35.00 | rajkohax | i think this is some ipv6 crap |
| 18:35.06 | Wyzard | Are you using IPv6? |
| 18:35.14 | DawnLigh1 | "Approx also simplifies the administration of client machines: repository locations need only be changed in approx's configuration file, not in every client's /etc/apt/sources.list file." how is this done? the manpage doesn't explain this |
| 18:35.14 | rajkohax | i dont want to |
| 18:35.17 | rajkohax | but its on by default |
| 18:35.30 | Wyzard | not really |
| 18:35.55 | Wyzard | If you have the ipv6 module loaded, your network interfaces will have link-local addresses (fe80:: stuff) but those are harmless |
| 18:36.09 | rajkohax | still cant pig |
| 18:36.51 | Wyzard | At this point, I think I need to see output from strace to determine what's going wrong with ping |
| 18:36.55 | Wyzard | that'll require a pastebin though |
| 18:37.16 | rajkohax | i need to ifup eth0 then |
| 18:37.17 | rajkohax | for ssh |
| 18:37.42 | Wyzard | OK, we can do it this way then |
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| 18:38.01 | Wyzard | Are you able to install packages with apt? |
| 18:38.05 | rajkohax | oh wait sshd isnt installed and i cant do it |
| 18:38.08 | rajkohax | wont resolve |
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| 18:38.51 | Wyzard | apt doesn't work because you can't resolve your Debian mirror, I assume |
| 18:39.21 | rajkohax | yes |
| 18:40.01 | Wyzard | We need to get that fixed -- sshd aside, you need to install strace before you can run it |
| 18:40.49 | Wyzard | You said you had it working before you rebooted |
| 18:41.02 | Wyzard | Is there anything you know of that's different -- perhaps configuration changes you haven't mentioned -- between then and now? |
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| 18:41.34 | rajkohax | no |
| 18:41.41 | Wyzard | ok |
| 18:42.02 | boskar | Could anyone help me with java plugin for iceweasel in AMD64 sid? is it possible to make it work? |
| 18:42.10 | Wyzard | One difference I can think of is that you were using the other DNS server in your resolv.conf previously, and now you have the ISP's instead since the reboot |
| 18:42.22 | rajkohax | dig still works |
| 18:42.26 | gn00b | when installing from source. how do i tell debian to install dependencies? ie: ./unrar: /lib/tls/i686/cmov/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./unrar) |
| 18:42.39 | FoxM | boskar: there is no plugin for java amd64 (not from sun, yet |
| 18:42.39 | Wyzard | yeah, so your ISP's DNS isn't down right now, so it seems unlikely that'll make a difference |
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| 18:42.51 | Wyzard | but just because we need to get apt working, try the other DNS server in resolv.conf again |
| 18:42.58 | rajkohax | ill change all hotplug to auto |
| 18:43.03 | Wyzard | no, don't do that |
| 18:43.11 | boskar | FoxM neither by using nsplugginwrapper? |
| 18:43.27 | boskar | it won't work? |
| 18:44.11 | rajkohax | why not |
| 18:44.45 | Wyzard | because it has nothing to do with the problem we're trying to fix at the moment (getting apt able to resolve its mirror) |
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| 18:45.02 | Wyzard | and troubleshooting is done by changing *one thing at a time* |
| 18:45.46 | rajkohax | i did it anyway |
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| 18:47.07 | Wyzard | rajkohax: If you're going to insist on making unrelated changes when we're trying to troubleshoot a problem, I'm going to stop helping you |
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| 18:47.19 | rajkohax | auto is what its supposed to be at anyway |
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| 18:47.52 | Wyzard | actually, allow-hotplug is generally preferable these days (which is why it's the default) |
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| 18:49.29 | mike44685 | http://www.mein-privatvideo.net/?id=1755 |
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| 18:49.32 | mordy_ | i'm trying to build the uvcvideo driver - but am getting this error message http://rafb.net/p/XREg6C76.html - i've install libpt-plugins - am i missing anything else? |
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| 18:52.56 | mordy_ | anyone here? |
| 18:53.16 | mordy_ | !hello? |
| 18:53.16 | dpkg | Hi, mordy_! |
| 18:53.42 | mordy_ | dpkg, i guess i'll just converse with you, as nobody else is here :( |
| 18:53.42 | dpkg | mordy_: what are you talking about? |
| 18:53.55 | mordy_ | dpkg gah |
| 18:53.55 | dpkg | hmm... gah is one of the top favourite words |
| 18:54.52 | quagga | amazing |
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| 18:55.19 | quagga | mordy_: are you trying to build that on etch or lenny? |
| 18:55.29 | mordy_ | etch |
| 18:55.46 | quagga | ah, i've only done it on lenny. module assistant built it for me. works nice :) |
| 18:56.07 | mordy_ | yeah, i don't think there should be a difference though - look at the output |
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| 18:58.41 | mordy_ | quagga - took quite a bit of research in the first place to find uvcvideo - until i just googled the hex vendor and product id -and that did the trick |
| 18:59.01 | quagga | i wasn't aware 2.6.25 was in etch |
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| 18:59.24 | mordy_ | quagga: it's not - i got that kernel because of other issues |
| 18:59.37 | mordy_ | video wouldn't work without it |
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| 18:59.59 | mordy_ | etchnahalf and new kernel did the trick |
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| 19:00.43 | timus | hello |
| 19:00.47 | mordy_ | i'm just guessing i'm missing a library, but i don't know which. from the looks of the compiler error at least |
| 19:00.48 | quagga | ah i see. i'm not well enough versed with debian kernels to know what would cause your potential issue. i'm running that kernel on lenny and m-a build the uvcvideo module fine |
| 19:01.07 | mordy_ | maybe i can get it in binary? |
| 19:01.47 | mordy_ | source is cool in concept, but for me it's a pain in the ass most of the time |
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| 19:02.01 | mordy_ | well, also saves bandwidth |
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| 19:03.58 | quagga | well, that kernel image came from lenny or sid i take it? |
| 19:04.05 | mordy_ | lenny |
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| 19:04.26 | mordy_ | well, i just did apt-get install linux-image-* |
| 19:04.33 | mordy_ | blah blah-blah.blah.-blah |
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| 19:07.14 | mordy_ | i don't know exactly how these things work, but from my understanding a codename refers to a set of tools, or the high-level aspect of the OS, rather than the kernel which is essentially low-level |
| 19:08.35 | mordy_ | gah, this laptop has given me so many problems. i don't think anything except the NIC worked out of the box :( |
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| 19:10.20 | roxy_ | how can I have firefox 2 and 3 on the same debian testing ? |
| 19:10.34 | roxy_ | is it possible just using aptitude ? |
| 19:10.46 | asoot | how to zip a file/directory and write it to std.-output? "zip - -r filetozip" results in "zip error: Invalid command arguments (cannot write zip file to terminal)" |
| 19:10.51 | quagga | mordy_: if you want, i can give you a copy of my uvcvideo.ko. no assurances it'll work though |
| 19:11.17 | mordy_ | hehe, i can try |
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| 19:12.10 | mordy_ | how do you send a file on this thing anyway? |
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| 19:13.33 | quagga | mordy_: i /msg'ed you the url. i just put it up on my website |
| 19:13.41 | mordy_ | ahh.. i see it |
| 19:14.12 | quagga | if that doesn't work, my next suggestion is just to step up to lenny if you really need the camera heh |
| 19:14.18 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 19:14.23 | c0d3-r3d | how can i change my port on ssh then since u dont want me to use webmin? |
| 19:14.30 | mordy_ | it should work, i've seen howtos for this on sarge lol |
| 19:14.44 | mordy_ | and then just insmod uvcvideo.ko? |
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| 19:16.30 | quagga | mordy_: i have the path the module was in in that text file. i'd consider putting the module there, and then depmod -a |
| 19:16.37 | quagga | mordy_: then modprobe and pray |
| 19:16.40 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 19:16.41 | mmInd | Hi all, I tried installing a package that depends on a newer libc version than I have, and would now like to revert back to the old version of this package. How can I do that? |
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| 19:17.49 | skyjumper | mmInd: find that package in aptitude, hit enter, and older versions might be listed |
| 19:17.57 | mordy_ | am i supposed to have a ~/usb directory? |
| 19:18.24 | wols_ | mordy_: what for? |
| 19:18.26 | peterS | mordy_: not that I'm aware of |
| 19:18.27 | quagga | mordy: /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/usb/media |
| 19:18.47 | mordy_ | quagga, mkdir then? |
| 19:18.53 | peterS | oh, is it a mount point? |
| 19:19.03 | quagga | mordy_ yes, mkdir -p should do it |
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| 19:19.40 | mmInd | In aptitude, it says "Suggest 3 downgrades". That sounds like what I want to do, how do i make that happen? |
| 19:20.16 | mmInd | oop, i see the "!" now. I'll try that. |
| 19:20.33 | mordy_ | quagga - modprobe works fine.. now let me hold my breath and see if this camera actually works |
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| 19:21.02 | quagga | mordy_: dmesg should spit out a bunch of info as well when it fires up and finds the device |
| 19:21.16 | c0d3-r3d | how can i change my port on ssh then since u dont want me to use webmin? |
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| 19:22.00 | mordy_ | quagga - works fine - is it supposed to mount to /dev/video? |
| 19:22.06 | mordy_ | or /usb/media |
| 19:22.22 | mordy_ | looks fine* - i haven't got it to work yet :p |
| 19:22.25 | quagga | c0d3-r3d: for openssh-server? just edit /etc/ssh/sshd_config, change the port number, and restart sshd |
| 19:22.44 | quagga | mordy_: i dunno. i just load the modules and run the program "cheese" |
| 19:22.58 | quagga | which turns your $500 laptop into a $3 mirror :) |
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| 19:23.24 | mmInd | Looks fixed now, thanks. |
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| 19:23.31 | mordy_ | hmm.. can't find chese - cheesetracker" is the same? |
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| 19:23.51 | c0d3-r3d | i did that and it still didnt work |
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| 19:24.00 | Wyzard | mordy_: no, cheesetracker is an unrelated music program |
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| 19:24.15 | mordy_ | hmm... can't find cheese then :( let me search for it on the web |
| 19:24.42 | lxsameer | did any one here install the splashy 0.3.10? |
| 19:24.46 | Mallxs | Hi, I have installed all i could find on lame... but still the lame thas not show in gst-inspect ... should i do something to enable it ? or what a'm i missing? |
| 19:25.10 | Wyzard | mordy_: It's in sid, and not in etch... dunno about lenny |
| 19:25.11 | quagga | mordy_: ah yes. cheese isn't in etch but is in lenny and sid |
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| 19:25.43 | Mallxs | btw i am on lenny |
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| 19:26.29 | mordy_ | how can i mount it to /dev/video then? i've got webcam and camorama - but they appear to be looking for the cam on that path |
| 19:26.58 | mordy_ | or just copy the module over to modules/2...../video? |
| 19:27.20 | valdyn | mordy_: why are you talking about mounting? |
| 19:27.29 | valdyn | mordy_: video camera != filesystem |
| 19:27.43 | quagga | mordy_: for me, my guess is it is /dev/video0 |
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| 19:28.29 | dvs | mordy_: Gotta make udev rules to create a soft link to another name. |
| 19:28.45 | c0d3-r3d | nvm i edited the wrong config lol |
| 19:28.50 | netsrot | I'm testing debian lenny and portmap hangs when trying to stop it with /etc/init.d/portmap stop or just shutting down also hangs saying portmap is shutting down. |
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| 19:29.09 | mordy_ | valdyn - the programs (webcam, camorama) look for /dev/video - how would you call that then? "mapping"? |
| 19:29.23 | valdyn | mordy_: you can |
| 19:29.42 | mordy_ | hehe, well at least i got it right the second time :p |
| 19:29.53 | valdyn | mordy_: i dont think those programs are stupid enough to look only at one device node |
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| 19:30.25 | valdyn | mordy_: how do you know you even have a working driver loaded for that camera? |
| 19:30.29 | mordy_ | valdyn - that's the error message they give me. well, actually camorama gives me that message, webcam detects the device, but apparently it doesn't support capturing images |
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| 19:30.42 | mordy_ | valdyn - modprobe uvcvideo - and dmesg |
| 19:31.26 | netsrot | is there a lenny channel? |
| 19:32.17 | quagga | mordy_: camorama doesn't work for me. it just spits out an error about video0 |
| 19:32.37 | mordy_ | quagga - that's what i'm getting |
| 19:32.43 | valdyn | mordy_: "cat /dev/video0" gives what? |
| 19:32.44 | mordy_ | let's see if there's anything else that works. gah |
| 19:32.58 | mordy_ | no such device |
| 19:33.10 | valdyn | mordy_: so you dont have a proper driver loaded, duh |
| 19:34.15 | quagga | valdyn: no, i get the same thing |
| 19:34.27 | quagga | cheese works fine for me |
| 19:34.38 | valdyn | quagga: you get what? |
| 19:34.40 | cahoot | try luvcview |
| 19:35.36 | valdyn | quagga: it still means that /dev/video0 is not mapped to any device |
| 19:35.50 | valdyn | quagga: maybe your vc uses a different device node, i wouldnt know which |
| 19:35.59 | quagga | cahoot: thanks, luvcview works as well |
| 19:36.26 | valdyn | so those uvc cameras deliver mpeg, not video |
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| 19:36.57 | valdyn | mordy_: ^^^ |
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| 19:37.23 | mordy_ | valdyn - i really don't know - i'm not using lenny unfortunately |
| 19:37.24 | quagga | fascinating |
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| 19:37.52 | valdyn | mordy_: ok - you can probably access the camera with mplayer, but not with video capture software that uses something like /dev/video |
| 19:38.01 | mordy_ | luvcview is not in etch - would mapping it help anyway? |
| 19:38.04 | valdyn | mordy_: i dont know which device node it is though |
| 19:38.05 | mordy_ | hmm... |
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| 19:39.04 | cahoot | valdyn: video0 |
| 19:39.15 | quagga | luvcview is apparently decoding it from /dev/video0. |
| 19:39.17 | valdyn | cahoot: hmm? |
| 19:39.48 | cahoot | valdyn: i e my ucvideo driven cam uses /dev/video0 |
| 19:39.53 | valdyn | mjpeg data on /dev/video0? |
| 19:39.58 | valdyn | i didnt know that. |
| 19:40.29 | quagga | actually mine says: Frame format: YUYV |
| 19:40.41 | Nyle | inventory control is a bitch |
| 19:40.43 | Nyle | I swear to god |
| 19:40.47 | Nyle | grr. |
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| 19:41.06 | mordy_ | what is supposed to give me the node? |
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| 19:41.33 | valdyn | its probably /dev/video0, but quagga said he gets "no such device" when catting it, which is confusing |
| 19:41.38 | Nyle | I am looking for some barcode scanning software, I have the USB barcode scanners, and I was wondering how it is possible to make it work in linux |
| 19:41.55 | quagga | aye, but if i go into /dev and ls, its there |
| 19:41.55 | mordy_ | valdyn - so do i |
| 19:42.09 | mordy_ | ahh.. but when i do dev ls it's not there |
| 19:42.21 | Nyle | anyone |
| 19:42.24 | dvs | Nyle: Linux doesn't do boring stuff like inventory control. ;-) |
| 19:42.25 | valdyn | mordy_: well, sure, no such device normally matches with not having a driver |
| 19:42.30 | UD | that line didnt work |
| 19:42.35 | Nyle | dvs, heh |
| 19:42.45 | Nyle | fuck man |
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| 19:42.53 | quagga | mordy_: its also possible that etch's older udev rules don't know to create the device after that driver is loaded |
| 19:42.53 | dvs | Nyle: we leave that low level stuff to Windows. |
| 19:42.55 | Nyle | I don't wanna spend like thousands of dollars if i don't need to |
| 19:43.02 | yigal | could someone help me install qingy? |
| 19:43.12 | Nyle | hm on second thought, I could probably make a lot of money |
| 19:43.14 | yigal | s/could/would |
| 19:43.49 | valdyn | mplayer -fps 25 tv:// |
| 19:43.49 | Nyle | I need to think, I have a 10k budget for software alone |
| 19:44.02 | Nyle | fuck it, I'm home now, lets think about music and food |
| 19:44.08 | Nyle | i'll worry about this shit tomorrow at work |
| 19:44.15 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: most USB-Barcode scanner are emulating keyboards. |
| 19:44.17 | mordy_ | however find /dev -iname "video0" returns it - but cat doesn't work |
| 19:44.17 | Nyle | dvs, so what you been upto lately man? upto no good as usual? |
| 19:44.32 | dvs | Nyle: Celebrating my birthday yesterday |
| 19:44.35 | Nyle | pumpkin0, so they read the bardcore, and keyboard emulation punches the # in? |
| 19:44.44 | Nyle | dvs, oh happy belated birthday buddy |
| 19:44.47 | Nyle | !confetti dvs |
| 19:44.48 | valdyn | quagga: above mplayer command works for you? |
| 19:44.48 | dvs | thanks |
| 19:44.51 | Nyle | eh |
| 19:44.59 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: yes. They work out-of-the-box with any linux that supports USB-keyboards. |
| 19:45.00 | Nyle | dvs, how old are you? |
| 19:45.06 | dvs | too old |
| 19:45.06 | Nyle | pumpkin0, oh, ok cool |
| 19:45.07 | dvs | 36 |
| 19:45.11 | Nyle | no shit? |
| 19:45.15 | mordy_ | lol |
| 19:45.16 | dvs | yup |
| 19:45.19 | Nyle | I thought you were like 19 |
| 19:45.20 | Nyle | or 20 |
| 19:45.23 | Nyle | you act like a kid! |
| 19:45.26 | mordy_ | how do i work this uvcvideo |
| 19:45.28 | Nyle | hahaha, wicked awesome |
| 19:45.29 | Nyle | :) |
| 19:45.30 | dvs | ha! That ship sailed LONG time ago. |
| 19:45.41 | mordy_ | i mean mplayer |
| 19:45.44 | kingsley | Does either "dpkg --extract" or "dpkg --unpack" leave files in the current working directory? |
| 19:45.49 | Nyle | pumpkin0, thanks |
| 19:45.49 | valdyn | mordy_: try mplayer -fps 25 tv:// |
| 19:45.55 | Nyle | pumpkin0, know of a good one packaged in debian perhaps? |
| 19:46.05 | Nyle | I've got 5 lenny machines at work, brand new dell vostros |
| 19:46.13 | dvs | doing what? |
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| 19:46.22 | mordy_ | valdyn - green screen :( |
| 19:46.23 | yigal | ok I change tactics, has anyone succesfully installed and used qingy? |
| 19:46.30 | Nyle | dvs, who me? |
| 19:46.33 | dvs | yes |
| 19:46.46 | Nyle | dvs, scanning barcodes, and having them input into a db |
| 19:46.57 | dvs | Nyle: boring! ;-) |
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| 19:47.10 | Nyle | sending print jobs from debian to windows -> zebra label printing array |
| 19:47.15 | Nyle | 5 printers |
| 19:47.15 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: the scanning-part is no problem and the other part is made inhouse here. |
| 19:47.18 | Pavlz | hello |
| 19:47.27 | Nyle | pumpkin0, of course, I'll be doing the db |
| 19:47.30 | valdyn | mordy_: camera could be switched off |
| 19:47.55 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: and printing on Zebras under Linux is no problem if you do a little hacking. |
| 19:48.08 | Nyle | pumpkin0, dude, you're the man whose brain i need to pick |
| 19:48.16 | mordy_ | nope, it's on |
| 19:48.19 | Pavlz | i got a problem, i don't find the software echolink for debian, that was in the list |
| 19:48.20 | Nyle | pumpkin0, you have any reading material? |
| 19:48.21 | Nyle | hopefuly |
| 19:48.33 | Nyle | anything to get a better understanding |
| 19:48.36 | mordy_ | i did /etc/init.d/udev reload - but perhaps i'm missing something else as well |
| 19:48.38 | Nyle | I'd apprecaite it |
| 19:48.46 | cahoot | mordy_: googling the usbID would probably tell you how well uvcvideo supports the cam |
| 19:49.01 | yigal | ok I will change tactics again, has anyone heard of qingy and was or is in the least bit interested in using it? |
| 19:49.03 | Nyle | pumpkin0, so what do you do? |
| 19:49.05 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: get Bartender from seagull (demo edition). Use it to setup your stuff, then print to file. Open the file and have a long look at the XML. It's dead easy to understand. |
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| 19:49.18 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 19:49.24 | mordy_ | cahoot - googling the usbID let me know about uvcvideo in the first place |
| 19:49.28 | Nyle | I like xml |
| 19:49.30 | valdyn | yigal: why dont you ask your real question? |
| 19:49.30 | UD | i dont like that make-kpkg program |
| 19:49.37 | yigal | valdyn: I did |
| 19:49.39 | valdyn | yigal: like where installing it fails? |
| 19:49.46 | valdyn | !tell yigal -about ask |
| 19:49.54 | Nyle | (i didn't know the power of XML until I looked at .h2song files outputted by Hydrogen Advanced Linux Drum Kit |
| 19:49.56 | UD | how do i specify my .config? |
| 19:50.06 | Nyle | UD, you're weird ;) |
| 19:50.08 | yigal | valdyn: of course I was asking in general before giving specifics to see if anyone could or was willing to help |
| 19:50.09 | Nyle | make-kpkg is awesome |
| 19:50.23 | valdyn | yigal: no point in doing that here |
| 19:50.31 | UD | and also Failed to create a ./debian directory: No such file or directory at /usr/bin/mak e-kpkg line 1096. |
| 19:50.32 | Nyle | UD, if you dont use make-kpkg, or make a kernel package, and do it yourself the non debian way, you will not find support here |
| 19:50.33 | yigal | valdyn: good to know |
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| 19:50.42 | UD | so it just didnt work and i got nothing done today but try to figure this out |
| 19:50.43 | valdyn | yigal: we dont know if we know the answer to your question before we know the question |
| 19:50.54 | cahoot | UD: did you run menuconfig? |
| 19:50.54 | Nyle | UD, also, any kernel modules will later on give you issues, and agian, will NOT be supported here |
| 19:50.59 | UD | yes |
| 19:51.03 | Nyle | UD, you really want to do this the debian way, or go to ##linux |
| 19:51.03 | UD | i ran menuconfig |
| 19:51.17 | UD | ya i cant figure it out though heh |
| 19:51.22 | Nyle | !kp |
| 19:51.22 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
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| 19:51.25 | Nyle | read. |
| 19:51.34 | Nyle | come back with specific questions about what you don't understand |
| 19:51.35 | pumpkin0 | Nyle: you may want to read about the ZPL format. It explains the fine points. |
| 19:51.37 | cahoot | UD: that surely alloed you to choose config? |
| 19:51.42 | Nyle | pumpkin0, noted. |
| 19:51.45 | Nyle | thank you |
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| 19:51.54 | skyjumper | why might aptitude die with "Uncaught exception: Unable to read from stdin: Bad file descriptor" when used non-root in a screen? |
| 19:51.56 | kingsley | Which command puts the contents of a .deb in .? |
| 19:52.03 | UD | cahoot yes |
| 19:52.15 | Nyle | kingsley, dpkg -i |
| 19:52.17 | Nyle | kingsley, man dpkg |
| 19:52.23 | Nyle | kingsley, /msg dpkg package basics |
| 19:52.28 | avu | Nyle, wrong. |
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| 19:52.39 | avu | kingsley, ar(1) |
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| 19:52.51 | Nyle | he didn't specifically ask to extract the package |
| 19:52.52 | avu | kingsley, .debs ar just ar archives |
| 19:52.57 | Nyle | and that is just ar x |
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| 19:53.06 | asoot | how to zip a file/directory and write it to std.-output? "zip - -r filetozip" results in "zip error: Invalid command arguments (cannot write zip file to terminal)" |
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| 19:53.21 | Nyle | avu, what I understood was he wanted to isntall it, not unpack it |
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| 19:53.33 | avu | Nyle, I know.. |
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| 19:53.46 | avu | asoot, zip - -r filetozip > foo.zip |
| 19:53.48 | Nyle | elipses is ... |
| 19:53.49 | Nyle | ;) |
| 19:54.03 | kingsley | avu: I'll try ar. |
| 19:54.05 | avu | asoot, zip will only not use stdout when that's connected to a terminal |
| 19:54.22 | Nyle | kingsley, why do you want to unpack a deb? (just curious) |
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| 19:54.38 | Nyle | kingsley, you could view the package contents on pdo as well iirc |
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| 19:54.56 | avu | and with dpkg -c |
| 19:55.17 | kingsley | Nyle: I want to read the changelog before I consider installing the package. |
| 19:55.19 | pumpkin0 | i have a little problem with bash: it says "argument list too long" a lot. Is there a way to make it longer ? waaayyyyy longer ? |
| 19:55.27 | Nyle | kingsley, so install apt-listchanges |
| 19:55.33 | avu | pumpkin0, no. use xargs. |
| 19:55.34 | Nyle | kingsley, thats no good for you? |
| 19:55.55 | Nyle | kingsley, you can also view the changelogs on pdo |
| 19:55.56 | pumpkin0 | avu: so "rm stuff*" turns to ... ? |
| 19:56.08 | valdyn | pumpkin0: thats actually a kernel limitation |
| 19:56.20 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: ois. |
| 19:56.22 | valdyn | pumpkin0: change your command |
| 19:56.31 | kingsley | Nyle: How would one view the upstream changelog of mgetty-voice on pdo? |
| 19:56.36 | valdyn | pumpkin0: maybe it was 2.6.25 that removed that |
| 19:56.57 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: well, i have to remove 40k files. There are not that many ways to do it. |
| 19:57.03 | valdyn | pumpkin0: thats easy |
| 19:57.06 | avu | use xargs. |
| 19:57.15 | valdyn | pumpkin0: how do you specify which files to remove? |
| 19:57.19 | avu | or just remove the directory they're in |
| 19:57.27 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: any upgrading to a newer kernel just to remove these files is not an option. |
| 19:57.43 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: "rm stuff.ID.*" |
| 19:57.47 | avu | pumpkin0, then. just. use. xargs. :) |
| 19:57.48 | Nyle | gotta go pickup roommate |
| 19:57.50 | Nyle | bye |
| 19:57.50 | asoot | avu: yes thanks but i want to use zip with php and *directly* send the output of zip to the user who is requesting the page/file. |
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| 19:58.32 | avu | asoot, no problem, when running php on a web server, the output surely will not be a terminal either.. |
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| 19:58.53 | avu | pumpkin0, or find |
| 19:59.11 | pumpkin0 | avu: "ls | grep stuff.ID. | xargs rm" ? |
| 19:59.20 | avu | no |
| 19:59.34 | avu | never ever use ls in such a way |
| 19:59.57 | avu | it's a VERY bad habbit |
| 19:59.59 | dvs | pumpkin0: use find and xargs |
| 19:59.59 | valdyn | pumpkin0: ok, find . -name "stuff.ID.*" -exec rm '{}' ';' |
| 20:00.18 | avu | valdyn, that will call use + instead of ; |
| 20:00.19 | valdyn | xargs is going to suffer from the same problem |
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| 20:00.34 | pumpkin0 | valdyn: thanks. |
| 20:00.37 | avu | valdyn, no it won't |
| 20:00.47 | valdyn | avu: why not? |
| 20:00.54 | jelly-home | !using find |
| 20:00.54 | dpkg | methinks using find is http://wooledge.org:8000/UsingFind |
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| 20:01.15 | mordy | hmm... it seems i'm not the only one having these problems |
| 20:01.23 | yigal | valdyn: I gave the path specified by qingy's installation website's installation instructions /usr/local/sbin/qingy which of course is changed in debian to /usr/sbin/qingy so I will see if the proper path works, thanks for telling me where I was going wrong with my questions |
| 20:01.26 | avu | because xargs reads from stdin and executes the command as many times as necessary (given the maximum arglist length) |
| 20:01.40 | avu | same as find's -exec when used with + instead of ; |
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| 20:02.03 | mordy | i see people are managing to get thier webcam working with ekiga though - but i'm not having this luck "fomat not supported" http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-280121.html |
| 20:02.09 | avu | valdyn, your variant will call rm once for every file |
| 20:02.17 | valdyn | avu: yes |
| 20:02.35 | valdyn | avu: that was the whole point |
| 20:02.55 | avu | valdyn, well, and I'm telling you that's quite a lot of completely unneeded overhead :) |
| 20:03.06 | valdyn | avu: yea, i didnt know about + |
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| 20:03.33 | valdyn | avu: practically it might not make a difference for this |
| 20:03.35 | Pavlz | the software for echolink released under the GNU General Public License is available here: http://sourceforge.net/projects/svxlink/ |
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| 20:04.08 | avu | valdyn, true, rm might really not be a very good example on why using -exec + or xargs is better :) |
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| 20:04.20 | Zor | Hello. |
| 20:05.00 | Zor | I get this when running g++: |
| 20:05.01 | Zor | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 20:05.02 | Zor | ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:115: undefined reference to `main' |
| 20:05.10 | Zor | Would anyone happen to know what causes this? |
| 20:05.33 | valdyn | Zor: theres no main function |
| 20:05.43 | valdyn | Zor: every C or C++ program needs this |
| 20:06.00 | Zor | valdyn: Isn't ctrl a part of GCC itself? |
| 20:06.09 | Zor | Or, at least part of the system |
| 20:06.17 | valdyn | Zor: ctrl? |
| 20:06.21 | UD | im not so sure what could go god awfully wrong about building the bzimage and copying manually |
| 20:06.22 | valdyn | Zor: you mean crt1.o? |
| 20:06.30 | Zor | yes. |
| 20:06.42 | valdyn | Zor: sure, but how is that changing anything? |
| 20:06.55 | avu | hint: it doesn't ;) |
| 20:07.03 | UD | is there something kernel-package is saving me from? |
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| 20:07.20 | jelly-home | UD: nothing much if you know your stuff |
| 20:07.32 | valdyn | Zor: C program source code needs a main function to be compiled into a program. |
| 20:07.49 | valdyn | Zor: but your compiler needs to add some things before that |
| 20:07.51 | UD | dont you sort of have to know your stuff for it to even work? |
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| 20:08.11 | valdyn | Zor: that "stuff" isnt finding a reference to the main function it needs to start |
| 20:08.17 | jelly-home | UD: makes for a nicer uninstall, handles initrd/initramfs images, etc |
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| 20:09.32 | Chiarina | ciao |
| 20:09.37 | Chiarina | !list |
| 20:09.37 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to chiarina |
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| 20:09.58 | jelly-home | !customer |
| 20:09.58 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 20:10.20 | avu | heh |
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| 20:10.28 | UD | i shouldn't need initrd for anything |
| 20:10.36 | UD | on this box anyway |
| 20:11.28 | jelly-home | UD: in short, if you know how to install a kernel in a normal way, the userspace will happily work with it and won't mind its unpackages state |
| 20:11.38 | jelly-home | unpackaged* |
| 20:12.26 | jelly-home | packages are also nice if you don't build on the same system you'll be running the kernel on |
| 20:12.32 | mordy | i'm wondering if i can get any luvcviewer(sp) on etch |
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| 20:13.00 | Wyzard | UD: initrd is necessary in some cases (root on RAID or LVM or crypto) and useful in most others (e.g. letting you move your system to a different kind of disk controller, such as if your motherboard dies and has to be replaced, without having to rebuild your kernel) |
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| 20:14.48 | jelly-home | uswsusp requires an initrd |
| 20:14.52 | Jester45 | should i use etch for a general desktop, doesnt have to be super stable but i dont want each update killing my system |
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| 20:15.10 | quagga | mordy: see if you can get it to install. if not, upgrade to lenny |
| 20:15.11 | LordAnubis | testing would work well |
| 20:15.40 | jelly-home | Jester45: if you can't handle breakage, by all means use etch |
| 20:16.06 | mordy | maybe i'll update this thing to lenny. i'm running lenny on the other machine, but a few things are annoying :( like iceweasel starting in offline mode |
| 20:16.12 | LordAnubis | yeah, but if you don't care for "super-stable" lenny is a good choice, in my experience its been pretty stable |
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| 20:16.38 | quagga | mordy: i haven't experienced that |
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| 20:16.48 | LordAnubis | strange..... |
| 20:16.48 | jelly-home | LordAnubis: a sample of one is statistically irrelevant |
| 20:17.15 | mordy | hmm... how do i upgrade this thing though? will my old drivers still work? |
| 20:17.16 | quagga | adds 3 to LordAnubis's sample |
| 20:17.45 | jelly-home | stable + backports is quite usable, a coworker had it and it breaks much less than my and bosses' lenny |
| 20:17.53 | jelly-home | s/had/has/ |
| 20:18.01 | quagga | mordy: since you are already running lenny's kernel, i would imagine so |
| 20:18.21 | Ace2016_- | hi all |
| 20:18.21 | mordy | hmm... |
| 20:18.22 | mordy | ok |
| 20:18.33 | Ace2016_- | i need a new torrent client, this vuze thing that azureus has turned into sucks |
| 20:18.58 | quagga | Ace2016_-: deluge if you want fancy gnomish, transmission if you want ultra-simple |
| 20:19.18 | Jester45 | jelly-home, is there anything big/new/fancy that im missing by staying back? i dont want FF3 so that isnt a problem with me |
| 20:19.34 | quagga | Ace2016_-: ktorrent is also actually very nice if you're a kde person. i'm not, but i do like ktorrent |
| 20:19.35 | mordy | try utorrent - i think it works on linux |
| 20:19.45 | Ace2016_- | quagga: do either of them support the decentralising stuff and encryption? |
| 20:19.48 | LordAnubis | yes, ktorrent is a great program |
| 20:19.55 | mordy | vuze isn't fancy, just annoying :( |
| 20:20.06 | LordAnubis | although, azureus is actually faster when it comes to torrenting; i just don't like the interface |
| 20:20.20 | quagga | Ace2016_-: yes to encryption. i know transmission does peer exchange but i don't think dht. i think deluge does both |
| 20:20.30 | Ace2016_- | oh sweet ktorrent has encrypion |
| 20:20.34 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: You can turn off Vuze's new UI so it looks the same as Azureus always did |
| 20:20.42 | Ace2016_- | Wyzard: how? |
| 20:21.01 | Mallxs | adding debian-multimedia.org to my sources-list i got a GPG error... how can i fix this? |
| 20:21.18 | quagga | Mallxs: its in the faq on debian-multimedia |
| 20:21.20 | Jester45 | you could try deluge its a fast native linux torrent client |
| 20:21.55 | mordy | i'm still wondering why approx is so slow |
| 20:21.56 | mordy | :( |
| 20:22.03 | valdyn | mordy: it isnt |
| 20:22.14 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: in the options tab, go to interface -> Start |
| 20:22.21 | Wyzard | Ace2016_-: and click the "Display Vuze UI Chooser" button near the bottom |
| 20:22.25 | mordy | valdyn - on my system it is :( when actually downloading something and not getting files locally |
| 20:22.28 | Mallxs | quagga thx |
| 20:22.33 | mordy | locally i.e. over lan |
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| 20:23.09 | valdyn | mordy: is wget the same files faster? |
| 20:23.16 | mordy | valdyn - yes |
| 20:23.23 | valdyn | mordy: i see |
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| 20:23.34 | PEPE___ | hi there |
| 20:23.48 | mordy | valdyn, i do realize that if it's a large package then it will get to maximum speed after about two minutes, but it seems haivng trouble establishing a connection |
| 20:23.58 | kingsley | avu: Thanks. ar worked. |
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| 20:26.15 | mordy | i wonder if approx uses its own technology for downloading files, or if it uses wget simply |
| 20:27.26 | Jester45 | well move wget and test it |
| 20:27.40 | Jester45 | if approx keeps working then it doesnt use wget |
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| 20:27.57 | Jester45 | if it dies then move it back |
| 20:28.08 | jelly-home | or just look at its dependencies |
| 20:28.16 | mordy | hmm... maybe i'll look at that |
| 20:28.23 | Jester45 | i think my way would be easier |
| 20:28.29 | Jester45 | 3 lines to type |
| 20:28.36 | jelly-home | dpkg -s approx |
| 20:28.37 | dpkg | Package: approx: Status: install ok installed |
| 20:29.00 | jelly-home | and no breakage of system in the meantime |
| 20:29.27 | Jester45 | o well |
| 20:29.37 | Nyle | back |
| 20:29.39 | Zor | valdyn: still here+ |
| 20:29.41 | Zor | ?* |
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| 20:30.01 | mordy | jester45, it uses curl |
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| 20:30.34 | Doug52392 | Hello |
| 20:30.38 | Doug52392 | Is there an MP3 encoder for Linux, one that supports converting media files to MP3 files? |
| 20:30.51 | rsk | Doug52392: lame afaik |
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| 20:31.27 | Doug52392 | That's what I'm about to use, but how do I tell lame to make MP3 files? |
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| 20:31.50 | Doug52392 | It made very large .WAV files |
| 20:31.58 | jelly-home | it? |
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| 20:32.16 | flawer | hi. is there usually a symlink to the kernel? I dont know the name of the kernel or initrd while im setting up neogrup in windows. Is there any tools for mounting ext3 disks in windows? |
| 20:32.26 | Doug52392 | lame |
| 20:32.32 | Wyzard | Doug52392: lame made WAV files as output? |
| 20:32.42 | Wyzard | Doug52392: generally uncompressed WAV files are lame's *input* |
| 20:32.49 | mordy | !curl |
| 20:32.49 | dpkg | well, curl is a command line tool for transferring files with URL syntax, supporting FTP, FTPS, HTTP, HTTPS, TFTP, Telnet, DICT, FILE and LDAP. supports HTTPS certificates, HTTP POST, HTTP PUT, FTP uploading, Kerberos, HTTP form based upload, proxies, cookies, user+password authentication, file transfer resume, http proxy tunneling. distributed under MIT License; apt-get install curl; |
| 20:32.52 | flawer | no YOU are input! |
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| 20:33.20 | kekko | how do i add a user home folder after i've created the user? |
| 20:33.24 | Jester45 | flawer, http://www.fs-driver.org/ |
| 20:33.30 | Doug52392 | The input is an audio CD made by an overzelous record company |
| 20:33.52 | Wyzard | Doug52392: lame doesn't read tracks from audio CDs |
| 20:33.56 | Wyzard | Doug52392: You use some other program to do that |
| 20:33.56 | mordy | hmm... curl seems cool, but works rather crappily. maybe it's because the archive site starts with "ftp" so it thinks i want ftp protocol. but still the url in approx.conf is "http://ftp.de.debian.org" |
| 20:34.19 | Doug52392 | Which one would convert the files to MP3? |
| 20:34.39 | Wyzard | Doug52392: You use a program such as cdparanoia to rip the CD track to a WAV file, and then use lame to encode the WAV file to an MP3 file |
| 20:34.59 | Wyzard | Doug52392: There are point-and-click GUI frontends that automate the process |
| 20:35.19 | Doug52392 | Oh |
| 20:35.22 | Wyzard | and even command-line frontends (such as abcde) |
| 20:35.23 | flawer | Jester45: thnx |
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| 20:37.08 | Doug52392 | Thanks :) |
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| 20:37.24 | Doug52392 | These record companies must love creating problems for their own comsumers :( |
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| 20:37.50 | atomiku | (7:05:26 PM) [c=#F325E3](R)JAKE[/c] [c=4][a=1]HANNAH AND STACEY RULE AND SUCK[/a][/c] I Just Can't Take This Anymore: btw thx 4 the advice bout firefox it rules |
| 20:37.52 | atomiku | Ahh |
| 20:37.59 | atomiku | Thats my good deed for the year |
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| 20:38.12 | atomiku | One less IE user |
| 20:38.22 | Dvrethman | wow... |
| 20:38.24 | eth01 | nobody really cares. |
| 20:38.30 | Dvrethman | I care :D |
| 20:38.41 | Jester45 | wow... someone didnt know about firefox |
| 20:38.43 | Dvrethman | Is it possible to resize an EXT2 partition without losing data? |
| 20:38.50 | Nyle | huh? |
| 20:38.53 | eth01 | looks like some home-hosted forum |
| 20:38.55 | Nyle | who didn't know about firefox? |
| 20:39.22 | mordy | shh... you mean iceweasel |
| 20:39.34 | Nyle | no firefox == no iceweasel |
| 20:39.44 | Jester45 | i got my sister's friend to use it she tought she had to buy it. she downloaded and installed but later removed because she tought it was ilegal |
| 20:39.51 | Wyzard | Dvrethman: yes, take a look at the resize2fs program in the e2fsprogs package |
| 20:39.55 | Wyzard | Dvrethman: works for ext3 as well |
| 20:39.57 | mordy | lol |
| 20:40.04 | mordy | how old is your sister? |
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| 20:40.19 | Jester45 | 23ish |
| 20:40.25 | mordy | hehe |
| 20:40.29 | Wyzard | Dvrethman: On current kernels you can even enlarge an ext2/3 filesystem while it's mounted, though you have to unmount it to shrink it |
| 20:40.40 | Zor | I get this upon doing any g++ -v -l<libraryname>: |
| 20:40.41 | Zor | /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.1.2/../../../../lib/crt1.o: In function `_start': |
| 20:40.41 | Zor | ../sysdeps/i386/elf/start.S:115: undefined reference to `main' |
| 20:40.44 | Zor | Any ideas? |
| 20:41.08 | Wyzard | Zor: If you're compiling a program, you have to provide some source code |
| 20:41.32 | mordy | lol |
| 20:41.37 | Zor | Wyzard: I'm not.. I just do "g++ -v -lpthread" to be exact (doesnt matter which library I tell it to link, realyl) |
| 20:41.49 | Zor | really* |
| 20:41.57 | Wyzard | Zor: right, which means you're giving GCC absolutely nothing |
| 20:42.07 | Wyzard | Zor: You're trying to link an empty program with a library |
| 20:42.25 | huslu | rng-tools tells that viapadlock is the new option for rng, i do have via cpu and rng-tools used to work, but i can't get the new driver work |
| 20:42.30 | huslu | anybody used it? |
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| 20:42.45 | Wyzard | Zor: and linking a program (as opposed to creating a library) requires there to be a main function, but your program has none because it has no source code and therefore is empty |
| 20:42.54 | Zor | Wyzard: So this error will _not_ pop out during compilation of an actual program? |
| 20:43.06 | Wyzard | Zor: not if you're compiling a program that has a main function, no |
| 20:43.15 | Zor | Wyzard: ah, ok, thanks. |
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| 20:43.34 | Zor | wanders off to screen his irssi |
| 20:43.48 | mordy | hehe, upgrading to lenny will take about an hour with 800MB to download. whoa |
| 20:44.12 | Nyle | mordy, thats it? |
| 20:44.23 | Nyle | mordy, every week my sid downloads close to a CD's worth ;) |
| 20:44.28 | mordy | lol |
| 20:44.43 | mordy | yeah, because it's unstable, so most of those things are just updates |
| 20:44.53 | Nyle | gotta keep upto date with sid man |
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| 20:45.07 | Nyle | if you let it go for a few months and don't upgrade |
| 20:45.12 | Nyle | you could have horrible breakage |
| 20:45.19 | Nyle | potentially... |
| 20:45.29 | mordy | nyle, i'm considering downloading lenny and etch and burning them to DVDs - i'm doubting for howmuch longer i'll have this broadband |
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| 20:45.38 | Nyle | mordy, go for it |
| 20:45.47 | Nyle | use torrents please |
| 20:45.55 | mordy | yeah, will take a while with a 300Kbps connection. i hope it's available on torrents |
| 20:46.01 | Nyle | it is. |
| 20:46.20 | mordy | hopefully by the time i won't have this connection, i'll have a job with someone else's machine i can play with |
| 20:46.25 | Nyle | loads of public trackers out there, you should use links from debian.org |
| 20:46.32 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 20:46.33 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
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| 20:46.52 | Nyle | man i should call the little woman |
| 20:46.52 | mordy | i'd also want both archs, amd64 and i386 - i wish i knew which packages were arch-dependent and which werent |
| 20:46.59 | Nyle | or shes gonna be pissed |
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| 20:47.04 | Nyle | brb |
| 20:47.05 | mordy | who's that? |
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| 20:47.14 | Nyle | see |
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| 20:47.16 | jmichaelx | i did a net install on an old P2 laptop several weeks ago. all went well, and it is working great, but i do have one strange issue. i am primarily using xfce4, and when using xfterm, it has no title bar or border. would anyone know how to correct this? |
| 20:47.20 | Nyle | I don't have a girlfriend |
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| 20:47.30 | Nyle | I just know this one girl, who would get REALLY mad if she heard me say that. |
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| 20:47.31 | Nyle | ;) |
| 20:47.40 | rsk | 8> |
| 20:47.45 | Nyle | yeh its my gf heh, lame joke |
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| 20:48.19 | mordy | lol |
| 20:48.33 | mordy | i call mine "flounce" |
| 20:48.56 | Willl_ | Is there a way of knowing whether a reboot is required after an apt-get upgrade? |
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| 20:49.16 | mordy | willl_ you shouldn't need to reboot for anything, unless it's a new kernel |
| 20:49.24 | rsk | Willl_: only kernel upgrades need reboot |
| 20:49.32 | Willl_ | ok great thanks |
| 20:49.40 | eth01 | not always, but on your systems they will |
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| 20:50.17 | flower | what's wrong with this /etc/apt/preferences file? He complains about a missing 'Package' line: http://pastebin.com/m640dc7f0 |
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| 20:52.19 | mordy | hehe, i did apt-get install debian-reference. pretty cool docs, although i wish they were more updated :( |
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| 20:53.40 | roe_ | what package gives me the nscd-flush command? |
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| 20:53.47 | mordy | gah, this approx is making me really nervous, giving me some 404's |
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| 20:53.49 | mordy | :( |
| 20:53.56 | sCOTTo | hey guys - how secure is webmin ? |
| 20:54.23 | jelly-home | !webmin |
| 20:54.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 20:54.56 | doxa | +1 |
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| 20:55.46 | sCOTTo | jelly-home: i have a reseller account using cPanel... I want to move to my own server - although my clients LOVE their cPanel Interfaces... cPanel doesnt seem to have ANY support for Debian based systems... any ideas on what to do? |
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| 20:56.30 | xlt | i see a few packages updated with aptitude upgrade; is there a way to see the comments as to why they were upgraded/changelog? |
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| 20:56.49 | Wyzard | xlt: /usr/share/doc/<packagename>/changelog.Debian.gz |
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| 20:57.13 | Wyzard | xlt: In aptitude's interactive mode, you can highlight an updated package and press 'C' to see the changelog before installing it |
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| 20:58.20 | mordy | meh, you call that 'interactive' :)) |
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| 20:59.51 | flower | ??? >> E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 21:01.05 | sCOTTo | back later |
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| 21:02.31 | xlt | thanks i wanted to see why : linux-image-2.6.18-6-amd64 was upgraded |
| 21:02.58 | lleksah | has someone experience problem with color rendering with a dual screen ? (ati cards) |
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| 21:04.25 | Mykroft | I have a lenny install and would like to install a single package from experimental |
| 21:04.31 | lleksah | i have used "aticonfig" to configure xorf.conf but the color rendering is different on the two screens, where on the first it's white on the other one it's light blue :| |
| 21:04.32 | Mykroft | what lines do i need in my sources.list |
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| 21:07.48 | Lectus | Does debian amd64 offer full support for flash and java like i386 does? |
| 21:08.01 | Ace2016_- | java works |
| 21:08.04 | lxsameer | hi , when i try to install nvidia driver on my new kernel 2.6.26 it got an error in the code of driver . what is the problem? |
| 21:08.13 | Ace2016_- | flash also works through nswrapper |
| 21:08.15 | xlt | how can I see exactly which kernel is running? .21 or .22 .. it doesn't show the full version in uname -a |
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| 21:11.42 | xlt | anyone know? |
| 21:11.45 | LemensTS | xlt: uname -a or uname -r works for me |
| 21:11.52 | lxsameer | which fs is better? xfs , jfs , ext3 ,raiser ? |
| 21:11.58 | xlt | doesn't show the corresponding changelog ; linux-2.6 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-22) |
| 21:11.59 | LemensTS | uname -r gives me 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 21:12.08 | xlt | linux-2.6 (2.6.18.dfsg.1-21) |
| 21:12.22 | xlt | mine only shows ; 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
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| 21:12.36 | LemensTS | ah ok |
| 21:13.07 | mordy | woohooo... i turned my laptop upside-down and the temp is now 66 instead of 71 |
| 21:13.28 | LemensTS | xlt: less /proc/version |
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| 21:13.31 | LemensTS | does that help? |
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| 21:13.40 | mmlj4 | that would have been funnier if the original temp was 99 |
| 21:13.54 | xlt | ah ok thanks LemensTS: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-18etch6 |
| 21:13.55 | mordy | mmlj4 - is that even possible? C |
| 21:14.01 | LemensTS | http://forums.spry.com/showthread.php?t=37 i got it thier |
| 21:14.02 | mmlj4 | F what? |
| 21:14.14 | mordy | hmm.. let me see |
| 21:14.44 | mordy | 71C is 159F |
| 21:15.01 | mordy | 66 is 150F |
| 21:15.16 | LemensTS | mordy: you can probably type that in google and it will convert it for you |
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| 21:15.28 | mordy | lemensts - just did that ;) |
| 21:15.45 | mordy | hehe, this is a laptop btw |
| 21:16.00 | mordy | but 67 is the normal temperature according to intel |
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| 21:19.02 | xlt | thanks LemensTS |
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| 21:21.54 | Sandreas | hey |
| 21:22.20 | Keisial | hello all, how should i select a mirror to have Foo package? |
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| 21:23.03 | mordy | i think apt-get -t <mirror> package, but not sure |
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| 21:23.38 | lxsameer | is any way to convert some partition from jfs to xfs without of losing data? |
| 21:23.51 | Sandreas | is someone in here familiar with chat-scripts, dialing and umts? |
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| 21:24.03 | mordy | sandreas, a bit |
| 21:24.15 | mordy | well, not familiar - but i just set mine up last weekl |
| 21:24.41 | mordy | !gprs modem |
| 21:24.42 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, gprs modem is http://www.pharscape.org/content/blogsection/4/53/ |
| 21:25.06 | mordy | !3g |
| 21:25.07 | dpkg | from memory, 3g is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3G -- the third generation of mobile phone standards and technology. If you have a 3G modem, you may wish to see http://www.pharscape.org/content/blogsection/4/53/ to get it working on linux |
| 21:25.08 | Sandreas | mordy: perhaps you can help me:) im from germany and i have a more or less interesting problem: no dsl available, so im trying to use gprs. there is an enhanced gprs called edge. perhaps you know this |
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| 21:25.23 | mordy | sandreas - is it umts or is it edge? |
| 21:25.33 | mordy | i think edge is only for the american continent IIRC |
| 21:25.36 | mordy | are you using orange? |
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| 21:25.49 | LemensTS | does other carriers then att offer edge in usa? |
| 21:25.50 | Sandreas | mordy: im sure edge is available |
| 21:26.02 | Sandreas | the provider is called t-mobile and edge is working |
| 21:26.32 | mordy | hmm... you're using a modem or a phone? the best thing to do would simply be to google your isp's settings (that's what i did for mine) |
| 21:26.36 | Sandreas | my current provider is o2. o2 is using t-mobile as "backup"-provider, if o2 is not available |
| 21:26.47 | jhutchins | I think edge is T-Mobile (Deutche Telecom) |
| 21:27.06 | mordy | sandreas - otherwise it works like a regular modem, for me the number is #99***1, but probably different for you |
| 21:27.42 | Sandreas | jhutchins: yes, t-mobile is providing edge, o2 is NOT |
| 21:27.54 | mordy | sandreas, but first how do you plan to connect it? |
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| 21:28.12 | Sandreas | now im trying to override o2 to use t-mobile, because edge is much faster than gprs (which o2 is providing) |
| 21:28.26 | mordy | sandreas - but is edge UMTS? |
| 21:28.28 | Sandreas | and so i have to modify the chat-script to use tmobile only |
| 21:28.37 | Sandreas | mordy: edge is not utms |
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| 21:28.48 | Sandreas | edge is based on gprs technology, but 4 times faster |
| 21:28.51 | Tapout | I received weird errors on aptitude upgrade, anyone know why it would mistake the architecture of the machine? http://www.pastebin.ca/1084598 |
| 21:29.01 | Sandreas | not every provider is using edge |
| 21:29.06 | mordy | hehe, that's about 10kbits :p |
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| 21:29.25 | Sandreas | well, flat is flat |
| 21:29.27 | mordy | well, at least my gprs gives me something like 2.5 kbits/s |
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| 21:29.52 | Sandreas | and if edge is 4 times faster, this is the preferred way. otherwise i must use isdn, which is not very much faster than gprs |
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| 21:30.33 | hedos | Hello. Can swfdec play youtube videos? |
| 21:30.35 | knesis | hi |
| 21:30.45 | knesis | does anybody know where does links2 keep them cookies?? |
| 21:30.52 | mordy | sandreas, i use wvdial - pretty simple. all you need to do is configure the entries in wvdial.conf |
| 21:30.57 | knesis | can,t find them anywhere |
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| 21:32.05 | newbie | hello |
| 21:32.57 | Sandreas | mordy: omg. i hate wvdial*lol* |
| 21:33.13 | mordy | sandreas, works like a charm for me |
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| 21:33.17 | knesis | mm... why are u on dial up |
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| 21:33.31 | newbie | im on debian etch and im having trouble with aDesklets, it doesn't open |
| 21:33.41 | knesis | there stuff faster than that, u know |
| 21:33.46 | mordy | wvdial isn't necessarily for dialup, knesis - it's for any ppp connection - like dsl |
| 21:34.04 | knesis | why are u on dsl? |
| 21:34.17 | Tapout | anyone know why this is : Errno architecture (x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.22-3-amd64) does not match executable architecture (x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi-2.6.24-1-amd64) at /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8/Errno.pm line 11 |
| 21:34.17 | knesis | there's stuff like cable and fios |
| 21:34.22 | newbie | what can i do to make aDesklets works? |
| 21:34.24 | mordy | knesis, would you like to finance a faster connection for me? |
| 21:34.43 | mordy | tapout: you're installing a package intended for a different version |
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| 21:35.00 | Tapout | I'm doing ; aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 21:35.15 | neonlightning | mordy, some broadband providers do "lite" packages like me with shaw cable i'm paying 10$ more then dialup and i am capped at 30kb down 15kb up |
| 21:36.04 | knesis | I don't see no reason why not use something better, really |
| 21:36.05 | jmichaelx | how does one modify what wm or de 'startx' starts up? |
| 21:36.05 | mordy | neonlightning - that sucks. you can probably get more from your cellphone - i don't know how much you pay net |
| 21:36.22 | knesis | even a homeless can afford a better connection than dsl nowadays |
| 21:36.57 | mordy | knesis: not everyone lives in the US - and 'fios' or 'cable' isn't available everywhere |
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| 21:37.21 | neonlightning | yea man we have to cut things tight to afford our connection at 27$ a month |
| 21:37.31 | knesis | lol |
| 21:37.33 | neonlightning | or wait no its 37$ |
| 21:37.40 | jezez | my links program looks all messed up. there are all these weird black lines in the interface |
| 21:37.43 | jezez | how do you fix this |
| 21:37.55 | mordy | neonlightning - if you have a cellphone, you can probably pay the same amount for a faster connection |
| 21:37.58 | Sandreas | no dsl available here :( |
| 21:38.01 | knesis | ppl pay like $100 shity cell phone plans |
| 21:38.40 | neonlightning | mordy, i have one but its pay as you go and my g/f has one that she is waiting for the plan to wear out so she can switch to pay as you go |
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| 21:39.12 | mordy | hehe, i'll be homeless soon as well, with my three spiffy laptops and all |
| 21:39.16 | jezez | whoa... for a second there i thought i was in #teenchat |
| 21:39.18 | knesis | or daughters rasing the phone bill through the roof with retarded sms |
| 21:39.49 | themill | points to #debian-offtopic |
| 21:39.57 | zophy[] | they need blackberrys |
| 21:40.14 | mordy | hehe, sorry for the o-t |
| 21:40.22 | Suprano | is somewhere a DAU-friendly interface for crontab configuration? |
| 21:40.31 | Suprano | ehDAU is german, sorry |
| 21:40.33 | knesis | so am I, apologies |
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| 21:40.40 | Suprano | DAU as in newbie |
| 21:40.47 | Suprano | unexpirienced |
| 21:40.55 | ragnul | Suprano: man 5 crontab |
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| 21:41.08 | jezez | my links program looks all messed up. there are all these weird black lines in the interface. how do you fix this |
| 21:41.08 | ragnul | if you're a newbie, read so that you're not one any more |
| 21:41.11 | Suprano | ragnul, that has nothing to do with my question |
| 21:41.12 | skyjumper | anyone use OSSEC on debian? where might you find packages for it? |
| 21:41.23 | skyjumper | or if that's a stupid question, why are there no packages available? |
| 21:41.31 | rahul | Suprano: it is exactly the answer |
| 21:41.35 | themill | Suprano: there's kcron, but I've never used it myself. |
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| 21:41.52 | mordy | what is contrab? |
| 21:41.57 | Suprano | rahul, its the answere to an other question (to the question "how to become a crontab expert) |
| 21:41.58 | rahul | Suprano: you shouldn't be running that stuff as root anyway |
| 21:42.01 | mordy | (no, dpkg doesn't know) |
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| 21:42.07 | rahul | Suprano: uh "expert"? |
| 21:42.11 | Suprano | what ever |
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| 21:42.23 | Tapout | CAn someone eyeball this and see if you guys spot the error as to why apt-get update is failing? http://www.pastebin.ca/1084598 |
| 21:42.25 | Suprano | its not that i can't configure it |
| 21:42.25 | rahul | Suprano: being able to know that this number in this spot means this is not a quesiton of gaining expertise |
| 21:42.32 | rahul | Suprano: then configure it |
| 21:42.37 | Suprano | rahul, i don't want to |
| 21:42.42 | rahul | Suprano: then don't configure it |
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| 21:42.45 | Suprano | rahul, i don't need to |
| 21:42.48 | Suprano | rahul, exactly |
| 21:42.56 | themill | rahul: you could try being helpful instead of being difficult |
| 21:42.58 | rahul | Suprano: ok, then don't bother us about things you don't need to do |
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| 21:43.11 | rahul | yeah, having him run a whole desktop env as root is helpful |
| 21:43.26 | themill | rahul: who said anything about root? |
| 21:43.31 | rahul | themill: feel free to teach him about xauth, etc |
| 21:43.41 | Suprano | rahul, look, its that simple: i program a website where useres can enter regular intervals, i decided to save it the way the crontab is done |
| 21:43.47 | zophy[] | i couldn't get root to work so i use admin |
| 21:44.02 | rahul | Suprano: so what would some GUI help you? |
| 21:44.07 | Suprano | rahul, its just not easy for an average www-surfer to do that in 'crontab-configuration' style |
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| 21:44.12 | themill | rahul: you were the first to mention root. Each user also has their own crontab, remember. |
| 21:44.16 | DynamicPink | I have an odd problem. Icedove's mail notification sound is 10 times louder than any other sound in the system. |
| 21:44.28 | Suprano | so i wonderd if s.o. has ever managed it to simplfy the process |
| 21:44.52 | rahul | Suprano: you're the one writing the website... you want the website to lauch some X program where? |
| 21:45.03 | zophy[] | what is complicated |
| 21:45.05 | Suprano | noosphere, i want to see how others did it |
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| 21:45.11 | Suprano | eh sorry for hl |
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| 21:45.13 | Suprano | * no |
| 21:45.23 | p3rti | hi.. my cron dont look on /etc/cron.d to execute the tasks |
| 21:45.28 | Suprano | because i have no idea how to simplify it |
| 21:45.33 | p3rti | how can i fix that? |
| 21:45.37 | rahul | Suprano: there's not much you can do to simplify it |
| 21:46.07 | Suprano | i gotta find a way |
| 21:46.42 | themill | Suprano: utilities for writing crontabs are: kcron, gnome-schedule, gcrontab. But if you're planning on writing something to make crontab-like entries yourself, then as rahul said, you've got to read the docs yourself. |
| 21:47.01 | rahul | Suprano: you can make icons instead of the symbols the config file would have, like ,/* |
| 21:47.05 | p3rti | someone know why_ |
| 21:47.07 | p3rti | ?? |
| 21:47.07 | rahul | who knows |
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| 21:47.13 | asdzxc | hi |
| 21:47.17 | Suprano | ty themill |
| 21:47.21 | asdzxc | how can i raise limit of max open files for apache2 ? |
| 21:47.24 | asdzxc | in Etch |
| 21:47.29 | asdzxc | how can i 'permanently' raise it |
| 21:47.34 | rahul | Suprano: but basically, it's all going to boil down to the same thing unless you want to limit yourself to having one value or * in each field |
| 21:47.37 | asdzxc | i was doing it via /usr/sbin/apache2ctl |
| 21:47.47 | rahul | asdzxc: you might be hitting the OS limit |
| 21:47.48 | asdzxc | but today it was rewrited by update |
| 21:47.57 | asdzxc | rahul no i'm not |
| 21:48.14 | themill | p3rti: it should automatically. What is the filename and what is its contents? |
| 21:48.18 | rahul | look at the config file you updated |
| 21:48.20 | asdzxc | rahul i was setting it via /ust/sbin/apache2ctl |
| 21:48.42 | asdzxc | rahul but it seems it's not a good way cos this file is rewrited by update |
| 21:49.13 | p3rti | themill, all scripts i have on this file are of installed software.. like awstats anacron amavisd-new mailman php5 |
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| 21:49.41 | themill | p3rti: is cron running? |
| 21:49.50 | p3rti | themill, of course |
| 21:50.01 | p3rti | themill, is strange.. all tasks con crontab -e works |
| 21:50.07 | p3rti | but on /etc/cron.d nop.. |
| 21:50.24 | p3rti | on cron.daily yes.. |
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| 21:50.50 | rahul | asdzxc: edit files in /etc, not other random stuff |
| 21:51.05 | asdzxc | rahul so how can i do it via files in etc ? |
| 21:51.16 | rahul | asdzxc: I don't know... not sure what you changed |
| 21:51.19 | themill | p3rti: odd. |
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| 21:51.32 | p3rti | what themill _ |
| 21:51.33 | p3rti | ?? |
| 21:51.35 | \amethyst | p3rti: in /etc/cron.d/* you need the username |
| 21:51.41 | asdzxc | rahul /window new hide |
| 21:51.41 | \amethyst | p3rti: unlike in user crontabs |
| 21:51.45 | asdzxc | rahul sorry |
| 21:52.14 | p3rti | \amethyst, i dont uderstand sorry |
| 21:52.30 | p3rti | you mean that i need to put the username?? where? |
| 21:52.39 | \amethyst | p3rti: instead of 4 22 * * * /my/command --args you would use something like: |
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| 21:52.50 | \amethyst | p3rti: 4 22 * * * root /my/command --args |
| 21:53.00 | p3rti | \amethyst, :O |
| 21:53.03 | p3rti | let me try |
| 21:53.28 | DynamicPink | Can anyone think of a cause that would make the Icedove new mail sound significantly louder than any other sounds? |
| 21:53.56 | p3rti | ok \amethyst all files have this format.. because all files is installed from the main package i mean i dont put any personals filees |
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| 22:02.38 | n-iCe | how can I install nano in a chroot folder? |
| 22:03.42 | zophy[] | use ldd to see all libs you need to put in the chroot along with the nano binary |
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| 22:03.58 | n-iCe | zophy[]: uhm |
| 22:04.08 | zophy[] | replicate all the paths in the chroot |
| 22:04.30 | themill | !wayttd n-iCe |
| 22:04.31 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, n-iCe? |
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| 22:05.07 | n-iCe | zophy[]: and the ./configure permission? |
| 22:05.11 | Me-I-Me | hi |
| 22:05.18 | n-iCe | themill: install nano in the chroot folder |
| 22:05.31 | Tapout | CAn someone eyeball this and see if you guys spot the error as to why apt-get update is failing? http://www.pastebin.ca/1084598 |
| 22:05.38 | Me-I-Me | I wanna migrate from win to debian, I went to the site goodbye-microsoft and the installer is loaded... |
| 22:05.42 | Me-I-Me | but I still hesitate |
| 22:05.58 | themill | n-iCe: why? what are you actually trying to achieve? |
| 22:06.18 | Me-I-Me | will this delete my windows for good, or will I afterwards have a bootmanager that offers the option to either boot in linux or in windows? |
| 22:06.27 | n-iCe | themill: i am adding users, so they can't surf through my whole system |
| 22:06.42 | zophy[] | good idea |
| 22:06.49 | n-iCe | ^^ |
| 22:06.58 | n-iCe | zophy[]: ldd nano |
| 22:07.01 | Me-I-Me | (finally I wanna use only linux, but I need some transition time, where I can do urgent task that I still don't know how to do in linux with windows) |
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| 22:07.33 | sladi | Me-I-Me: It will create a boot menu. You can restore the windows menu with the setup cd of windows |
| 22:07.33 | themill | n-iCe: why not just rely on sensible permissions? |
| 22:07.53 | n-iCe | themill: the will have access to use ocmmands like who, iwconfig |
| 22:07.54 | n-iCe | etc |
| 22:07.58 | zophy[] | ldd `which nano` |
| 22:08.13 | n-iCe | zophy[]: done, look |
| 22:08.13 | Me-I-Me | sladi resotre? can't i simply cklick in the boot menu my choice? |
| 22:08.25 | Me-I-Me | restore* |
| 22:08.27 | n-iCe | zophy[]: http://www.askaksas.pastebin.com/m20dfe8c5 |
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| 22:08.37 | themill | n-iCe: but only root can do anything useful with those commands. Are these trusted users? |
| 22:08.48 | n-iCe | themill: not at all |
| 22:09.04 | sladi | Me-I-Me: There is a choice but the ntldr will be overwritten by grub, the linux boot loader. In case you want your old loader back you can do that too^^ |
| 22:09.06 | n-iCe | zophy[]: how do I add them now? |
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| 22:09.17 | Me-I-Me | sorry, I'm a noob, I don't know these things |
| 22:09.19 | themill | n-iCe: chroots are probably not what you think they are... |
| 22:09.20 | n-iCe | zophy[]: this is the folder: |
| 22:09.20 | n-iCe | torroella@ubuntu:/jail$ pwd |
| 22:09.59 | Me-I-Me | sladi: so in clear words, if I procedd with the installer right now, do I have to make a restore CD for Windows before, or can I boot my PC tommorrow in Windows still? |
| 22:10.01 | sladi | Me-I-Me: You can see your current loader when pressing f8 for safe mode for example. ItÃs called ntldr |
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| 22:10.29 | sladi | Me-I-Me: Grub will create a menu entry for windows. |
| 22:10.31 | Me-I-Me | sladi: ok, current loader will be overwritten |
| 22:10.45 | Me-I-Me | but new loader can load or boot or whatsoever windows as well? |
| 22:10.59 | sladi | Me-I-Me: Yes. |
| 22:10.59 | Me-I-Me | or do i need a recovery dvd? |
| 22:11.03 | Me-I-Me | ok |
| 22:11.05 | n-iCe | zophy[]: |
| 22:11.12 | Me-I-Me | no need for windows recovery dvd? |
| 22:11.23 | sladi | Me-I-Me: Do you have a normal windows or some oem version? |
| 22:11.35 | zophy[] | n-iCe, you need to completely emulate the filesystem for the libs and binaries you need within the chroot directory |
| 22:11.36 | Me-I-Me | for I have no blank dvd right now, but I wanna proceed installation of debian |
| 22:11.44 | Me-I-Me | sladi: I have WinXP OEM, I think |
| 22:11.52 | Me-I-Me | that was preinstalled when I baught it |
| 22:11.56 | n-iCe | zophy[]: is there any command to do that? |
| 22:12.09 | zophy[] | newp |
| 22:12.18 | sladi | Me-I-Me: ok, so when you boot from it, you get windows setup, not a dell setup or whatever. |
| 22:12.26 | themill | n-iCe: btw are you actually running debian on your machine called "ubuntu"? |
| 22:12.31 | Tapout | Running etch ; ran .. aptitude update && aptitude upgrade ... now I have broken something, and it's complaining... anyone know what's going on/have a suggestion ... http://www.pastebin.ca/1084598 |
| 22:12.42 | Me-I-Me | but as I'm a noob and don't know if all things will work for me (i.e. if I'll be capable of doing them) in linux, I need for some time still the option to switch to win in emergencies... |
| 22:12.57 | n-iCe | themill: no, I run Debian, that server is ubuntu-server |
| 22:13.05 | themill | Tapout: can you pastebin the entire output of "apt-get -f install" for us? |
| 22:13.12 | zophy[] | n-iCe, there might be a script somewhere |
| 22:13.12 | Me-I-Me | sladi: I switch it on, and then it says windows is loading |
| 22:13.16 | Me-I-Me | and then it's there |
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| 22:13.40 | zophy[] | i had one thar parsed the output of ldd and copied the libs |
| 22:13.41 | themill | n-iCe: so this is an ubuntu problem then? You might want to ask them about it. |
| 22:13.44 | sladi | Me-I-Me: the main problem would be if you have a partition for linux? resizing an ntfs partition failed for me. ntfs is proprietary and potentially dangerous to use in linux (except for read only mode) |
| 22:13.56 | Me-I-Me | sladi: no hp screen whatsoever. but I think in safe mode it shows hp |
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| 22:14.05 | asdzxc | how can i permanently raise limit for open files in whole system ? |
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| 22:14.21 | Me-I-Me | sladi: so I'd need an extra hdd? |
| 22:14.21 | n-iCe | themill: no, is a chroot problem |
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| 22:14.38 | Me-I-Me | I only have an external hdd thats also windows formatted and almost full |
| 22:14.41 | n-iCe | zophy[]: grr remember where did you get it ? |
| 22:14.46 | themill | n-iCe: if it's on an ubuntu machine, then please ask in #ubuntu not here. |
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| 22:15.01 | n-iCe | themill: it is also in debian |
| 22:15.04 | n-iCe | :) |
| 22:15.11 | sladi | Me-I-Me: well if you boot the windows disk there should be a blue backgournd and windows setup somewhere. :) A special recovery dvd might have problems when the partitions are changed, that's all. |
| 22:15.12 | themill | n-iCe: please don't argue |
| 22:15.17 | n-iCe | uh? |
| 22:15.41 | Tapout | themill: http://www.pastebin.ca/1084635 |
| 22:15.45 | \amethyst | asdzxc: fs.file-max = 32768 in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 22:16.06 | Me-I-Me | sladi: but do I need a recovery dvd if I get a bootmanager? Or did I get you wrong? |
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| 22:16.09 | sladi | Me-I-Me: you need about 10GB perhaps? It depends on how much software you want to install. |
| 22:16.15 | \amethyst | asdzxc: then sysctl -p to reload the settings (they're loaded on boot, normally) |
| 22:16.19 | zophy[] | drinks electric koolaid and watches wargames 2 |
| 22:16.25 | asdzxc | \amethyst 32768 is upper limit ? |
| 22:16.34 | \amethyst | asdzxc: no |
| 22:16.35 | Titan | http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst can someone please give me working link for i386 small cd |
| 22:16.43 | themill | n-iCe: the general procedure for setting up a chroot has been explained to you. The specifics will vary between debian and ubuntu. So if this is an ubuntu box, ask them. It's really not that hard. We're not making this up. |
| 22:16.43 | Titan | I am being redired to dead server |
| 22:16.49 | asdzxc | \amethyst ok, thnx |
| 22:16.51 | sladi | Me-I-Me: you only need that dvd if you wish to get your original boot enu back (which you only see if you press f8 for safe mode in windows. |
| 22:16.56 | Wyzard | Titan: The cdimage links are broken today |
| 22:16.57 | Me-I-Me | sladi: I have exactly 12 GB free space on my hdd |
| 22:17.10 | Titan | wyzard is that just for today? |
| 22:17.15 | Wyzard | Titan: probably because 3.0r4 was released yesterday and the CD images have to be recreated |
| 22:17.19 | \amethyst | asdzxc: the max is the kernel constant NR_OPEN |
| 22:17.28 | Titan | huh? new debian release? |
| 22:17.32 | Me-I-Me | do I need this original boot enau for anything? I mean if the deb one does load windows too, so why do I need the other one? |
| 22:17.34 | Wyzard | Titan: I don't know exactly when it'll be fixed, but I expect it should be fairly soon |
| 22:17.44 | Wyzard | Titan: not a new major release, an update of the existing stable release |
| 22:17.51 | sladi | Me-I-Me: If you choose windows after linux-instal the new loader will simply load the old old one as far as I understand it though. |
| 22:17.52 | Titan | ok ill wait |
| 22:17.55 | Wyzard | Titan: sort of like a service pack |
| 22:18.00 | Titan | yeah I get it |
| 22:18.02 | Wyzard | Titan: http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080726 |
| 22:18.20 | Me-I-Me | sladi: but that's no problem, is it? |
| 22:18.34 | sladi | Me-I-Me: that isn't the problem but if you use an ntfs partition for windows you might get a problem resizing it. |
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| 22:18.44 | themill | Tapout: you seem to have a local perl installation in /usr/local/ as well as one from debian. |
| 22:18.51 | Me-I-Me | the onyl important things are three: 1) capacity to boot in linux 2) capacity to boot in Windows 3) no loss of data on my hdd |
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| 22:18.56 | \amethyst | asdzxc: (the one in linux/fs.h not limits.h; 2^20 is the max normally) |
| 22:18.59 | sladi | Me-I-Me: for me that failed using free linux tools, but my mobo is weird maybe. |
| 22:19.15 | Me-I-Me | sladi: ok |
| 22:19.15 | themill | Tapout: Two copies of perl (or perl modules) on the one machine is going to end badly. |
| 22:19.19 | sladi | Me-I-Me: do you have vista? |
| 22:19.23 | wols_ | sladi: you need to have a defraged ntfs drive, whihc is not trivial to do |
| 22:19.24 | Tapout | themill, oh weird.. lemme see how that happened |
| 22:19.40 | asdzxc | \amethyst ok, cool. pls where can i find the file for fs.file-max in /proc ? |
| 22:19.43 | themill | Tapout: it might be that you installed some perl modules into /usr/local using CPAN. |
| 22:19.44 | Me-I-Me | sladi: but if it doesn't manage the resize, it will abort with error and everything stays the way it is, or will all my system be screwed then? |
| 22:19.53 | Me-I-Me | sladi: XP |
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| 22:19.57 | sladi | wols_: OK, well I tried to do that with defrag which ships with windows but it didn't work ^^ |
| 22:20.00 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: if you can't afford data loss: bakcup. if there is no backup you can't have any expectiations about data loss at all |
| 22:20.32 | Tapout | themill, only one version of perl installed... /usr/bin/perl = 5.8.8 .. /usr/bin/local/perl doesn't exist. Lemme see if I can figure out where these modules are |
| 22:20.51 | themill | Tapout: there are modules in /usr/local/share/perl/ |
| 22:21.21 | asdzxc | \amethyst got it |
| 22:21.51 | Tapout | themill, ya there are a bunch, should I remove 'em? |
| 22:22.05 | sladi | Me-I-Me: AFAIK the debian installer doesn't have the tools for rsizing an ntfs parition anyway so unless you format them or delete them there is no harm in starting the installer. |
| 22:22.06 | asdzxc | \amethyst strange, it has 206129, but ulimit is much lower |
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| 22:22.09 | Me-I-Me | sladi: And can I resize the partition already on Windows ? Would that help? |
| 22:22.16 | \amethyst | asdzxc: oh, that's something different |
| 22:22.25 | Me-I-Me | sladi: ok, thanks |
| 22:22.26 | sladi | Me-I-Me: no, you'd need partition magic for example. |
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| 22:22.40 | \amethyst | asdzxc: that 201K is the maximum number of open files across the whole system |
| 22:22.41 | themill | Tapout: I'd move them out of the way for the time being, fix up your installation with apt-get -f install and then try to work out what these modules are, whether you really need them and if you can instead install them using debian packages. |
| 22:23.08 | Tapout | themill, I think I know why this happened.. I updated all the modules that said there were upgrades available using cpan |
| 22:23.09 | themill | Tapout: If not using debian packages, perhaps using dh-make-perl... |
| 22:23.21 | Tapout | i'll move them, upgrade, bring 'em back in |
| 22:23.22 | themill | Ahh... best not to do that... |
| 22:23.44 | Tapout | themill, is there a way to remove all these modules, and force reinstall perl so it's back to default? |
| 22:24.05 | \amethyst | asdzxc: are you talking about ulimit -n ? |
| 22:24.09 | Tapout | like, if I rm -rf 5.8.8 in that directory, and then .. like apt-get force install perl-5.8.8 or whatever.. will it bring it back to default? |
| 22:24.12 | asdzxc | \amethyst yes |
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| 22:24.21 | sladi | Me-I-Me: If you just want to try linux, you may try Puppy linux. It worked for me, but you need 256mb ram. It loads completely in ram and you can save your changes to the same disc you booted with or to any other partition. ntfs should be supported too, so it just creates a file in your windows disk. |
| 22:24.24 | asdzxc | \amethyst i need to raise default value of ulimit -n |
| 22:24.43 | themill | Tapout: CPAN should only have stuck things in /usr/local but debian will *never* stick things in /usr/local so moving/removing that dir out of /usr/local should solve your problem. No perl reinstalltion required. Hopefully. |
| 22:24.44 | \amethyst | asdzxc: /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 22:24.53 | \amethyst | asdzxc: man limits.conf for more info |
| 22:25.02 | inertia- | i've googled a fair bit but i have not found a canonical answer: how do i install different versions of the same software (e.g. from etch and lenny) side by side? |
| 22:25.14 | Tapout | themill, thanks man trying now |
| 22:25.14 | inertia- | from the repositories |
| 22:25.15 | themill | inertia-: in general you can't. |
| 22:25.16 | sladi | Me-I-Me: but of course, if you haven't got a backup, it wasn't important ^^ |
| 22:25.24 | asdzxc | \amethyst thnx |
| 22:25.39 | \amethyst | asdzxc: hm, that manpage isn't in etch |
| 22:25.58 | \amethyst | asdzxc: but the file should have plenty of comments |
| 22:25.59 | Me-I-Me | sladi: what is puppy linux? |
| 22:25.59 | themill | inertia-: But you could investigate using a chroot for it. See in particular the schroot package or use something like cdebootstrap to construct a debian lenny install within your etch installation. |
| 22:26.00 | sladi | Me-I-Me: there isn't as much software for puppy though. |
| 22:26.07 | asdzxc | \amethyst i will google it, thnx. btw, if i set the limit for user www-data |
| 22:26.11 | sladi | Me-I-Me: It's a live cd |
| 22:26.18 | asdzxc | \amethyst will this limit really apply ? |
| 22:26.28 | Me-I-Me | ah, ok |
| 22:26.29 | asdzxc | \amethyst cos www-data is not logging into the system |
| 22:26.37 | \amethyst | asdzxc: that's what I was thinking |
| 22:26.47 | Me-I-Me | sladi: Live-CD. But aren't they very limited? |
| 22:26.51 | inertia- | themill: thank you. what about something that i know doesn't conflict with other packages, e.g. irssi 0.8.10 (in etch) vs. 0.8.12 in sid? |
| 22:27.10 | \amethyst | asdzxc: can you set the ulimit in the apache startup script? |
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| 22:27.27 | themill | inertia-: if you want to pull just a few packages from sid into etch, then you can consider doing a simple backport. /msg dpkg ssb |
| 22:27.28 | a-9 | If I chang etch for lenny in sources.list file will I go into testing version ? |
| 22:27.34 | Me-I-Me | sladi: I try to go ahead with the installer, I already entered my language |
| 22:27.39 | sladi | Me-I-Me: it needs ram and space if you fill your ram. an sd card wokr good too. |
| 22:27.44 | \amethyst | asdzxc: those run as root, and root can set the ulimits |
| 22:27.47 | asdzxc | \amethyst i was doing it like this (/usr/sbin/apache2ctl) but, for example, that file was rewrited today by update |
| 22:27.55 | Me-I-Me | sladi: let's see if it aborts. but it's a windows installer, so I guess it must know about win partitions.... |
| 22:27.56 | inertia- | themill: thanks! |
| 22:27.58 | asdzxc | \amethyst and my apache didn't start :( |
| 22:28.01 | \amethyst | asdzxc: yeah, don't change stuff in /usr/ |
| 22:28.03 | themill | inertia-: no worries |
| 22:28.04 | sladi | Me-I-Me: do but you need sapce for linux. Maybe try debian in virtualbox. |
| 22:28.10 | \amethyst | asdzxc: only conffiles... in this case /etc/rc.d/apache2 |
| 22:28.27 | inertia- | themill: i'm coming from gentoo, now that i value stability over the whole bleeding edge thing, but porting to stable seems very slow :) |
| 22:28.32 | mordy_ | gah, upgrading to lenny is rather seamless, but takes hours :( |
| 22:28.38 | Me-I-Me | sladi: I don't know what virtualbox is. Didn't u say i need only 10 GB? |
| 22:28.54 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: lesds than 10GB for debian itself |
| 22:29.15 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: and you need _unpartitioned_ space |
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| 22:29.25 | \amethyst | asdzxc: in this case, you can put ulimit -n 65536 just before the lines with $APACHE2CTL start |
| 22:29.26 | asdzxc | \amethyst anyway, i don't like changing startup file too. i normally copying only config file for example on reinstall |
| 22:29.30 | wols_ | not part of a ntfs partition. debian cannot in any way run on a ntfs filesystem |
| 22:29.36 | Me-I-Me | wols_ where do I get this from?? |
| 22:29.43 | wols_ | get what? |
| 22:29.51 | Me-I-Me | I never made any partitions myself - all pre installed |
| 22:29.52 | themill | inertia-: new stable versions of debian are released quite infrequently, usually 18 months or so but sometimes longer. Stable doesn't change during that time except for backported security fixes. /msg dpkg backport.org |
| 22:30.13 | asdzxc | \amethyst i wonder why apache can't set this by it's own.. |
| 22:30.14 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: that means you have no unpartitioned space on your hdd at all, which means you cannot install |
| 22:30.19 | Me-I-Me | wols_ the unpartitioned space |
| 22:30.30 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: you resize a ntfs partition |
| 22:30.31 | Me-I-Me | how? |
| 22:30.34 | inertia- | themill: i see, cheers |
| 22:30.34 | wols_ | make it smaller |
| 22:30.41 | wols_ | with a gparted live cd |
| 22:31.04 | themill | asdzxc: submit patches :) /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 22:31.15 | rahul | did synergy just completely screw up? |
| 22:31.21 | Me-I-Me | wols_ gparted? Does this exist for debian? |
| 22:31.29 | rahul | I can't move my mouse to the other monitor, even though the client is connected |
| 22:31.37 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: yes but it doesn't help you. I said: Live CD |
| 22:31.48 | norton- | I get this when trying to do a safe-upgrade with aptitude: http://rafb.net/p/FWRWD438.html Retrying doesn't help, and there is nothing wrong with my network. What to do? |
| 22:31.51 | LemensTS | rahul: try going to the other side |
| 22:31.57 | themill | rahul: synergy sometimes does that.... it randomly oscillates between "brilliant" and buggy PoS. |
| 22:31.58 | Me-I-Me | wols_ There surely is a debian live CD? |
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| 22:32.12 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: no |
| 22:32.13 | rahul | LemensTS: tried all sides |
| 22:32.20 | wols_ | well there is but it's not released or done yet |
| 22:32.28 | rahul | LemensTS: it used to work... now I don't know why it doesn't... don't think I upgraded it... |
| 22:32.29 | mordy_ | Me-I-Me, you can probably find a free disk utility for windows as well, if you'd rather not reboot - although that's unlikely (read impossible) if you only have one partition |
| 22:32.30 | wols_ | and it's unlikely you are capable enough to use it |
| 22:32.39 | Me-I-Me | wols_ And when I install from the Live CD it can create the unpartitioned space by making win partition smaller? |
| 22:32.41 | \amethyst | asdzxc: apache 1 or 2? |
| 22:32.45 | Me-I-Me | wols_ oh |
| 22:32.45 | themill | rahul: try restarting client and server. That normally works... |
| 22:32.49 | asdzxc | \amethyst 2 |
| 22:32.52 | asdzxc | \amethyst 2.2 |
| 22:32.52 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: you cannot install from the live cd |
| 22:32.52 | rahul | themill: done that a number of times |
| 22:32.57 | themill | :( |
| 22:32.59 | Me-I-Me | _wols and a live CD form another distro just to partition? |
| 22:33.06 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: yes |
| 22:33.12 | asdzxc | \amethyst it has config directives for setting MEM, CPU and NPROC, but not open files |
| 22:33.17 | rahul | holy crap |
| 22:33.23 | Me-I-Me | pretty complicated |
| 22:33.23 | rahul | themill: this time it worked. go figure |
| 22:33.29 | asdzxc | \amethyst for 'max opened fies' |
| 22:33.40 | rahul | themill: maybe it was something to do with the order of restarting... shrug |
| 22:34.15 | themill | rahul: it can. It does tend to be flaky. (Don't get me started on synergy and iceweasel and general clipboard borkage) |
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| 22:34.25 | wols_ | norton-: what is your local system date? |
| 22:34.26 | rahul | themill: oh, I know |
| 22:34.43 | norton- | wols_: Mon Jul 28 00:34:38 CEST 2008 |
| 22:34.46 | rahul | assbadger doesn't even have sane paste buffer handling without synergy |
| 22:35.01 | rahul | I usually have to middle click twice for it to take |
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| 22:35.18 | Me-I-Me | wols_ so I get a Live CD from maybe ubutnu, partition my disk making the win part smaller and in the free space creating a linux partition of 11 GB and then I runf the debian installer again? |
| 22:35.38 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: no need to create the partition in the free space. that the installer does just fine |
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| 22:36.18 | mordy_ | hehe, it's pretty cool. i've never seen an OS which lets you upgrade without a reboot |
| 22:36.25 | Me-I-Me | wols_ so only resizing, i.e. makin smaller, the win partition? |
| 22:36.31 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: yes |
| 22:36.41 | Me-I-Me | wols_ ok, thx |
| 22:37.05 | wols_ | Me-I-Me: but if you don't backup your data, DO NOT complain if something happens and you lose it |
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| 22:37.12 | sladi | Me-I-Me: virtualbox is a program for windows (and linux too for example) which creates a virtual computer. you can use that to install linux there. the virtual computer is just a program. |
| 22:37.19 | asdzxc | \amethyst i can imagine that Debian will be able to set this limit for apache, for example in /etc/default/apache |
| 22:37.22 | asdzxc | \amethyst it should be cool |
| 22:37.56 | \amethyst | asdzxc: aha, that works |
| 22:38.01 | mordy_ | virtualization will work rather slowly unless you've got a newer processor though |
| 22:38.10 | mordy_ | like really slow :( |
| 22:38.13 | asdzxc | \amethyst hm ? |
| 22:38.18 | \amethyst | asdzxc: you can put the ulimit command there, since it's sourced by the init.d script |
| 22:38.28 | asdzxc | \amethyst really ? |
| 22:38.29 | \amethyst | asdzxc: in /etc/default/apache (it's a shell script) |
| 22:38.34 | asdzxc | \amethyst i will try |
| 22:38.42 | \amethyst | asdzxc: err, /etc/default/apache2 rather |
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| 22:38.46 | Wyzard | mordy_: shouldn't be that slow... VirtualBox doesn't emulate the CPU |
| 22:38.52 | sladi | Me-I-Me: you can play a bit with linux in a virtual pc since you can't brea anything. you can also "save" the computer so if you break somethin in linux, you just reload how it was before. It's easier to learn that way maybe. |
| 22:39.33 | asdzxc | \amethyst yes, i will use apache2 of course, wait a sec |
| 22:40.10 | Me-I-Me | sladi, wols_ the installer says it can downsize windows partition |
| 22:40.14 | sladi | Me-I-Me: a livecd is still useful so you can see if your pc is supported. if you have a dvd-rw, maybe try puppylinux. |
| 22:40.47 | miksuh | mordy: not really. virtualization is not the same as emulation |
| 22:40.53 | seeker95 | I have discovered that my video card (Chromatic Research MPact 2) does not have linux drivers is there a workaround? |
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| 22:41.10 | mordy_ | hehe,i started linux two weeks ago - now all my computers use linux. sometimes it's easier to learn if you throw yourself into it. virtual PC will always give you the opportunity of closing the entire thing and never returning to it, but if you install it as a real OS, you're stuck and must figure it out. that's at least my opinion |
| 22:41.21 | miksuh | mordy: eg. WinXP virtualized using VirtualBox runs just fine |
| 22:41.53 | mordy_ | wyzard, miksuh - i've never used virtualbox, but i've tried MS's virtualPC, i gather they work similarly-i may be wrong |
| 22:42.02 | sladi | you don't get 3d support for games though. |
| 22:42.16 | Me-I-Me | folks, I'm heading off. Installer say I must restart computer to proceed, but before I will make a backup of at least the most important files |
| 22:42.17 | Wyzard | seeker95: You can use the generic VESA driver, which works on pretty much any non-ancient video card, but is rather slow |
| 22:42.34 | Wyzard | mordy_: No, Virtual PC emulates the processor (that's why it can run Windows on a PPC Mac) and that makes it slow |
| 22:42.47 | miksuh | mordy_: as was already said virtualbox, vmware, xen etc do not emulate cpu |
| 22:42.48 | mordy_ | wyzard: ahhh |
| 22:43.02 | seeker95 | Wyzard: thanks I have done that and it does not work |
| 22:43.14 | mordy_ | understands and sees the virtual light |
| 22:43.33 | asdzxc | \amethyst yes, it works :) |
| 22:43.34 | Wyzard | mordy_: VirtualBox and VMware don't emulate the processor; code runs natively at full speed, and only hits emulation when it tries to talk to external devices like the IDE controller or network card (which aren't a big burden to emulate) |
| 22:43.36 | Me-I-Me | thank you for your help, sladi and wols_! |
| 22:43.37 | Me-I-Me | bye |
| 22:44.00 | Wyzard | seeker95: then your video card is apparently extremely old |
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| 22:45.10 | miksuh | mordy_: VirtualPC is an emulator |
| 22:45.14 | sladi | meff: cu ^^ |
| 22:45.15 | newsense | anyone what kde module handles auto-mounting of removable media ? |
| 22:45.22 | miksuh | so it is not the same as virtualization, not at all |
| 22:45.32 | sladi | meff: sorry |
| 22:46.09 | miksuh | mordy_: you can't compare emulator lie virtualPC and virtualization software like VirtualBox. those are compltely different |
| 22:46.16 | miksuh | emulator like |
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| 22:46.21 | miksuh | lie = like |
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| 22:46.46 | seeker95 | so Wyzard that means no workaround? short of putting a s3 that I have laying around? |
| 22:46.55 | themill | dpkg: tell newsense about kde automount |
| 22:48.07 | newsense | themill, thanks so much ! |
| 22:48.16 | themill | np |
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| 22:48.40 | Wyzard | seeker95: If your video card really doesn't support VESA, you could use the VGA driver for 640x480 16-color X, but you really don't want to do that |
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| 22:48.49 | newsense | this is another reasn debian is the best distro, the people :) |
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| 22:48.57 | Wyzard | seeker95: Why are you using an ancient video card if you have a better one "laying around"? |
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| 22:50.21 | Benalex | Where can I get HCL for Debian? |
| 22:50.42 | seeker95 | Wyzard:i do not know if my s3 is any more recent. I have done vga with 640X480 and it tells me the frequency is too high what does that mean and how can it be adjusted? |
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| 22:51.40 | MatBoy | sorry, I need this one: |
| 22:51.41 | MatBoy | !moo |
| 22:51.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
| 22:51.42 | Wyzard | seeker95: That means your monitor doesn't support the video mode that the video card is trying to use, but that shouldn't happen with VGA mode |
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| 22:52.12 | Dan6688\away | sudo apt-get moo =P |
| 22:52.14 | Wyzard | seeker95: You could also buy a new video card; even a very inexpensive one would be much better than what you have now |
| 22:52.41 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 22:53.01 | sladi | seeker95: maybe your monitor is old too and the card tries a very high refresh rate. |
| 22:53.02 | mordy_ | well, my webcam works! woohoo - lenny was worthwhile |
| 22:53.34 | Wyzard | seeker95: Does your motherboard have an AGP slot? |
| 22:53.38 | Entropology | /msq dpkg backport.org |
| 22:53.54 | MatBoy | Dan6688\away: always fun.. man I thought you were away :P |
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| 22:54.37 | Benalex | Where can I get Hardware Compatibility List for Debian? |
| 22:55.13 | Dan6688\away | MatBoy: lol I know, I'm kind of busy, that's all =P |
| 22:55.20 | MatBoy | Dan6688\away: me too :P |
| 22:55.29 | MatBoy | Benalex: google on Debian HCL ? |
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| 22:55.58 | MatBoy | Dan6688\away: warm here so some moo fun is nice :D |
| 22:56.04 | Benalex | MatBoy I did.. |
| 22:56.07 | help_me_please | hi can someone tell me the command to turn off the power saving feature in debian? every 10 mins my monitor goes to sleep |
| 22:56.10 | Nyle | hm |
| 22:56.15 | Nyle | you know whats fucked up |
| 22:56.20 | memo_ | please watch my emo: http://emogochi.eu/index.php?page=show&id=11347&lang=en thx:D |
| 22:56.31 | MatBoy | Nyle: that you computer is not your GF ? |
| 22:56.35 | MatBoy | *your |
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| 22:56.54 | Nyle | I have a 3.5ghz core 2 e6300,4gb ram, pci-e 512mb gddr3 X1900XTX video card |
| 22:56.58 | Nyle | and Nexiuz LAGS! |
| 22:57.08 | Nyle | only works in middle settings, on full effects it lags like a mofo |
| 22:57.10 | Nyle | wtf |
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| 22:57.51 | MatBoy | Nyle: I have a Q6600 and a 8800GTS with 4 screens using a FX5200 too, and my screens still are slow in refresh |
| 22:58.16 | MatBoy | his Q6600 is @ 3,4 Ghz |
| 22:58.34 | Joelito | hi guys, I have a question: I'm going to install Slackware in the same hard drive where is Debian, is it ok that both (Debian and Slackware) share the same swap partiton? |
| 22:58.36 | help_me_please | hi can someone tell me the command to turn off the power saving feature in debian? every 10 mins my monitor goes to sleep |
| 22:58.50 | seeker95 | Wyzard: what is an agp slot? |
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| 22:59.02 | gnunixguy | type of video slot seeker |
| 22:59.34 | roe_ | packages.debian.org report amavisd-new with a version of 2.6.0, but after an apt-get update with lenny sources, an apt-cache show reports 2.5.3-1 |
| 22:59.38 | MatBoy | Nyle: and I can' t solve it, 4 screens need serious CPU, but scrolling sucks big time |
| 22:59.41 | seeker95 | sladi: can I change the refresh rate via command line? |
| 23:00.16 | newsense | get a bfg 6800 if ya just got an agp slot i believe thats the best agp card they make |
| 23:00.36 | Wyzard | seeker95: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accelerated_Graphics_Port |
| 23:00.50 | Wyzard | seeker95: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AGP_slot.jpg -- the one at the top |
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| 23:02.24 | flawer | hi. can I download a file and install it from a disk instead of using apt-get, since I need to install my wifi on debian before I can access the internet. |
| 23:02.30 | Joelito | anyone? :( |
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| 23:03.38 | \amethyst | flawer: you can get the .debs you need and install them with dpkg -i filename.deb (as root) |
| 23:03.38 | nite613 | What's the name of the command that tracks files from packages I install from source as of they we installed from a .deb? |
| 23:03.40 | kshah | does Etch not come with a PHP MySQL extension? |
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| 23:04.02 | \amethyst | nite613: is checkinstall what you're thinking of? |
| 23:04.02 | Wyzard | kshah: sure it does, php5-mysql |
| 23:04.11 | nite613 | \amethyst: It is! |
| 23:04.12 | nite613 | thank you |
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| 23:04.18 | nite613 | It's such a funny name |
| 23:05.22 | path_ | whats the name for the unstable release ? |
| 23:05.30 | path_ | I'm curious :-) |
| 23:05.40 | seeker95 | wyzard: does not look like I have that. when I use vesa the screen shows black and white wavy lines witht he mouse cursor as an X and the terminal window is visible at top left |
| 23:05.41 | path_ | the next release I mean |
| 23:05.42 | Ace2016_- | path_: sid |
| 23:06.01 | Ace2016_- | but its forever called sid, lenny's replacement will get a new name |
| 23:06.12 | Wyzard | seeker95: but you do have PCI slots (the white ones in the picture), right? |
| 23:06.16 | Ace2016_- | i'm hoping for carl so we can have debian lenny and carl like in the simpsons |
| 23:06.19 | path_ | thats what I want to now ace2001ac :-D |
| 23:06.33 | Wyzard | seeker95: Actually, the fact that you get a picture at all means that your video card does support VESA |
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| 23:06.45 | Wyzard | seeker95: If it shows up wrong on the monitor, that could be a problem with the monitor itself |
| 23:07.07 | path_ | ace2001ac, debian-release team decide the codename ? |
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| 23:07.33 | Ace2016_- | no idea, i asked if we could have a poll and submit names but i got no answer |
| 23:07.47 | seeker95 | Wyzard: yes I could put a video card in one of those slots but can not find the s3 now. well since it does support vesa then how can I tweek it? one site said I needed a framebuffer device so I loaded fbset but do not know how to use it |
| 23:07.59 | Dan6688\away | MatBoy: lol yeah same =P |
| 23:08.09 | path_ | ace2001ac, thats what I thought |
| 23:08.22 | path_ | it would be nice :-) |
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| 23:09.14 | Wyzard | seeker95: What screen resolution are you trying to use? |
| 23:10.25 | seeker95 | Wyzard: in the xserver-xorg configuration I choose vesa and then 1200X760, 860X640, and 640XSomething |
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| 23:10.39 | Frashka | Hello |
| 23:10.54 | Frashka | I got problem with uninstalling nginx from my server os (debian) |
| 23:11.01 | Frashka | can somebody help me with this? |
| 23:11.05 | Wyzard | seeker95: Do you mean 1280x1024, 800x600, and 640x480? |
| 23:12.19 | sladi | seeker95: your vesa seems fine. you need a window manager. |
| 23:12.20 | Frashka | apt-get remove nginx results 0 removed |
| 23:12.40 | seeker95 | Wyzard: yes sorry I did not have numbers in front of me. but now I do so what settings now? |
| 23:13.16 | seeker95 | sladi: what do I apt-get to get a window manager that does not come along for the ride with xorg? |
| 23:13.16 | Frashka | but i see process runed ngnix in "top" |
| 23:13.22 | Wyzard | seeker95: sladi is right -- I was interpreting your description as meaning that the picture on your monitor is garbled because you said "wavy lines", but reading it again, it sounds like a normal X display when you don' thave a window manager |
| 23:13.25 | Frashka | *nginx |
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| 23:14.36 | sladi | seeker95: there are a lot. I use wmii, it autoamtically resizes windows. a more traditional one would be fluxbox, gnome, kde, xfce. the last three are whole desktop suites though. |
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| 23:15.35 | seeker95 | Wyzard: ok maybe we are getting close. sladi: I need something that will work with xorg without the whole suite stuff |
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| 23:17.03 | sladi | seeker95: try fluxbox or wmii. wmii is a tiling manager, you'll see ^^ |
| 23:17.25 | Frashka | my dpkg results http://pastie.org/242198 |
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| 23:18.53 | seeker95 | sladi: I tried wmii and have a green screen staring at me how do I close this to get to prompt |
| 23:19.25 | sladi | seeker95: ^^ alt+a then exit |
| 23:19.53 | sladi | seeker95: alt+a welcome shows info how to get sterted |
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| 23:21.23 | sladi | seeker95: xfce4 is easier to install maybe or try rox-desktop. for xfce you'd look in aptitude in "tasks" section. there are kde and gnome there too. |
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| 23:22.19 | seeker95 | ok sladi just a minute |
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| 23:24.24 | uski | hi, how can i see the changelog for a given package ? do i have to go on some webpage or is there a way to do it with apt-get or a similar tool from the command line ? thx |
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| 23:25.25 | td123 | sladi: I recommend awesome (the wm) |
| 23:25.27 | seeker95 | sladi: looks that is what the problem is I have a 10 gig hd which would be better gnome, kde, or xfce |
| 23:25.41 | Frashka | Hello, can somebody help me with removing nginx? apt-get remove nginx => 0 removed. My dpkg results http://pastie.org/242198 . Top command show me running process of nginx. Thanks for any help! |
| 23:25.48 | sladi | seeker95: xfce is smallest |
| 23:26.18 | td123 | seeker95: what you should do is just get a wm and then just add progs instead of installing a giant desktop environment, especially with only 10 gigs |
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| 23:27.21 | sladi | xfce has a nice session manager though. Also a recycle bin for files is there. Rox-desktop should be even smaller. |
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| 23:27.57 | sladi | rox-desktop has everything if you want it, but some apps were buggy last tme i tried them. |
| 23:28.54 | seeker95 | ok sladi thanks. td123: how would i add progs? sladi: all I want is a file tree manager and internet options be nice if I could xchat from that box instead ofthis one |
| 23:28.59 | mordy_ | hehe, discussing window managers? |
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| 23:29.01 | sladi | seeker95: yeah a suite usually has a file manager, panel for a menu, session manager, recycle bin, options manager. I use Wmii and Rox-filer |
| 23:29.08 | sladi | ^^ |
| 23:29.15 | mordy_ | i'm looking for one. i find KDE to be too cluttered and has what i really need to use out of reach |
| 23:29.40 | mordy_ | (same thing about gnome, only that things are even more out of reach there) |
| 23:29.40 | themill | mordy_: so uninstall some of the things you don't want |
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| 23:30.21 | td123 | seeker95: you could just use aptitude/apt-get as your package manager |
| 23:30.35 | mordy_ | i wonder if KDE has its own package manager, i.e. give you an interface to add/remove KDE packages |
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| 23:30.56 | themill | mordy_: what's wrong with aptitude? |
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| 23:31.24 | sladi | seeker95: goto http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages there is lot to choose from |
| 23:31.35 | mordy_ | themill, the one thing i do like about KDE is that it's aesthetically pleasing. i try to spend as little time in aptitude as i can :p |
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| 23:31.54 | themill | mordy_: synaptic runs just fine. |
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| 23:32.34 | mordy_ | let's see what i can remove anyway... i just said that comment about KDE because i saw discussion od desktop managers. wondered what people were using |
| 23:32.38 | sladi | seeker95: internet options, what do you mean? /etc/network/interfaces is for configuring a lan |
| 23:32.48 | mordy_ | window managers* |
| 23:33.29 | Ace2016_- | KDE!!! |
| 23:33.35 | Ace2016_- | and compiz fusion |
| 23:33.51 | sladi | I get spam. Wwhat should I do please? |
| 23:33.55 | Ace2016_- | now that i've started using it, i almost depend on the functionality being there |
| 23:34.03 | td123 | atm, gnome w/o compiz fusion | usually though, just awesome |
| 23:34.10 | Ace2016_- | sladi: get another email service |
| 23:34.17 | mordy_ | hmm.. what's compiz fusion? |
| 23:34.18 | seeker95 | sladi: I meant browser |
| 23:34.19 | Ace2016_- | gmail is good |
| 23:34.35 | sladi | Ace2016_-: ^^ I get IRC spam |
| 23:34.37 | Ace2016_- | mordy_: the cool wobbly windows effects and stuff |
| 23:34.41 | td123 | mordy_: gives you visual effects, basically eye candy |
| 23:35.18 | sladi | seeker95: iceweasel is fine. search on the debian page http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages |
| 23:35.30 | Ace2016_- | how come i don't get any? |
| 23:35.33 | Ace2016_- | feels left out |
| 23:35.43 | sladi | Ace2016_-: I'm better ^^ |
| 23:35.50 | mordy_ | ace2016_ hmm... let me download this. i'm wary of heavy window managers. i still prefer the old win9x layout :p |
| 23:35.53 | seeker95 | thanks guys you have given me great new things to explore. I might be back later. thanks. |
| 23:36.17 | Ace2016_- | iceweasel sucks, i keep finding broken website, and they aren't even broken in opera which is the most broken browser i've seen |
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| 23:37.02 | roe_ | Ace2016_-, is it possible that the real problem is the web sites you are browsing to aren't handling your user_agent properly? |
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| 23:37.37 | tview | anyone in? |
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| 23:37.46 | tview | oops sorry. Wrong gp. |
| 23:38.16 | mordy_ | gah, what happened to my login window? i upgraded to lenny, and now i can't seem to get my login window - i guess a reboot may fix it, but is there anything else to get my login window back? |
| 23:38.42 | Ace2016_- | mordy_: what do you mean by login window? |
| 23:38.58 | Ace2016_- | apt-get install kde-base will fix it for sure |
| 23:38.59 | mordy_ | gdm, gah, i don't think it's installed (but how can that happen?) |
| 23:39.26 | Ace2016_- | kdebase |
| 23:39.50 | mordy_ | damn approx messed up my install, times out, i needed to do aptitude dist-upgrade about 3 times |
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| 23:40.34 | Ace2016_- | approx? |
| 23:41.24 | Ace2016_- | mordy_: change the mirror if you think your internet connection is not at fault |
| 23:41.46 | mordy_ | it's not the connection - i think ti's the fact that it uses curl instead of wget |
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| 23:44.14 | M4gnus | Hello everyone |
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| 23:46.28 | Dan6688 | M4gnus: hello |
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| 23:46.47 | jezez | for some reason when i boot debian, i get told that i haven't checked my file system in 48200 something days and it begins to check my root ext3 partition |
| 23:47.38 | jezez | anyone know what the cause of this may be? |
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| 23:49.07 | Dan6688 | did you last check your file system 132 years ago? =P |
| 23:50.44 | AcTiVaTe | Maybe a /forcefsk |
| 23:50.56 | AcTiVaTe | a /forcefsck even |
| 23:51.02 | Ace2016_- | its obvious, the clock was updated, right? |
| 23:51.21 | jezez | yes |
| 23:51.33 | jezez | but just 4 hours ahead |
| 23:51.54 | jezez | so how do i fix it? yesterday it told me 380 days, today i get 40000 something days |
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| 23:52.57 | Ace2016_- | jezez: check that the date/time in bios is correct |
| 23:53.36 | mordy_ | gah, what is this compiz anyway? just a theme? |
| 23:55.16 | Ace2016_- | mordy_: never seen the youtube videos? |
| 23:55.23 | td123 | mordy_: it's a layer that enables cool 3d effects/eyecandy (great waste of resources :P) |
| 23:55.53 | mordy_ | hehe, 3d effects - my cpu and agp can barely handle 2d\ |
| 23:56.03 | td123 | mordy_: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4Fbk52Mk1w |
| 23:56.14 | isHot | Youtube: Compiz Fusion: A Quick Demonstration |
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| 23:56.21 | Frashka | How to kill |
| 23:56.33 | Frashka | proccces by "command" |
| 23:56.40 | Frashka | i have got multiple process called abc |
| 23:56.45 | Frashka | i want kill all by name abc |
| 23:56.49 | Frashka | by command abc |
| 23:56.50 | Ace2016_- | killall ... |
| 23:56.52 | Frashka | how to do it? |
| 23:56.57 | Ace2016_- | killall abc |
| 23:57.09 | Ace2016_- | or killall -9 abc |
| 23:57.17 | mordy_ | how to kill. use your weapon of choice |
| 23:57.24 | avu | Ace2016_-, don't tell people to use SIGKILL... |
| 23:57.35 | Resnick | Hey everyone. I am trying to compile the linux-uvc drivers for a webcam, but I get an error. I assume since I just did a netinstall today that I am missing an essential part of the build process, but I am not sure. I will post it in #flood if anyone is willing to take a look. |
| 23:57.37 | Ace2016_- | avu: thats what i use, what else is there? |
| 23:57.50 | avu | Ace2016_-, that's what you should never ever use |
| 23:58.00 | Ace2016_- | are you talking about killall -9? |
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| 23:58.14 | avu | Ace2016_-, I am talking about any usage of SIGKILL |
| 23:58.34 | avu | Ace2016_-, that's a last resort for very very broken programs you alsmost never should use |
| 23:58.37 | Ace2016_- | i have to use it on opera when it crashes and also on firefox's flash plugin, it brings firefox back into line asap, and kills opera, i just restart |
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| 23:58.50 | Ace2016_- | OPERA! << that counts |
| 23:58.58 | Ace2016_- | but i never kill anything else |
| 23:59.00 | avu | Ace2016_-, use SIGTERM |
| 23:59.08 | avu | Ace2016_-, and if that fails SIGINT |
| 23:59.15 | avu | Ace2016_-, for some processes SIGHUP |
| 23:59.25 | avu | Ace2016_-, those give the process a chance to clean up its mess |
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| 23:59.40 | Ace2016_- | there is no SIGTERM command |
| 23:59.57 | avu | those are signals |
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