| 00:00.07 | avu | not commands. |
| 00:00.12 | avu | just like SIGKILL |
| 00:00.13 | Ace2016_- | so killall -1,2,3...? |
| 00:00.25 | avu | killall -9 sends SIGKILL to a given process |
| 00:00.28 | avu | man 1 kill |
| 00:00.31 | Resnick | In fact, here's a paste of the error: http://rafb.net/p/x3RbWL31.html |
| 00:01.00 | Ace2016_- | do you need the driver? |
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| 00:01.50 | z_ | Can anyone get iceweasel 3 working on debian sid? |
| 00:01.59 | Resnick | It'd be useful |
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| 00:02.06 | avu | z_, yep, works fine here |
| 00:02.15 | Ace2016_- | z_: works fine |
| 00:02.16 | z_ | sighs |
| 00:02.23 | z_ | I can't seem to get it working? |
| 00:02.33 | Ace2016_- | but i want the real firefox, iceweasel sounds lame |
| 00:02.40 | avu | z_, what error do you get? |
| 00:02.44 | Ace2016_- | z_: remove it and purge then reinstall |
| 00:02.47 | avu | z_, checked the BTS? |
| 00:02.51 | z_ | bts? |
| 00:02.56 | avu | plonk |
| 00:03.01 | z_ | It complains about a lack of libjemalloc.so |
| 00:03.07 | avu | sid users who don't know what the BTS is deserve no help |
| 00:03.15 | Ace2016_- | install it |
| 00:03.16 | z_ | is new... |
| 00:03.25 | avu | then don't. use. sid. |
| 00:03.30 | Ace2016_- | isn't new but has no idea what BTS is |
| 00:03.30 | z_ | why? not? |
| 00:03.36 | Ace2016_- | i've used it for 2 years now |
| 00:03.44 | z_ | Oh. |
| 00:03.44 | avu | !tell z_ about sid faq |
| 00:04.55 | mordy_ | whoa, i'm too old fashioned for compiz. and to tell you the truth, while i was watching the video i was forgetting this was linux and not windoze |
| 00:05.10 | flawer | any idea what files to download to a moveable disk to get realtek 8185 pci wifi work on debian? |
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| 00:06.47 | mordy_ | wtf? someone named "brawearerjim" just messaged me :| |
| 00:07.01 | Ace2016_- | z_: make sure xulrunner-1.9 is installed and run ln -s /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libjemalloc.so /lib/. --symbolic |
| 00:07.15 | Ace2016_- | ln -s /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/libjemalloc.so /lib/. |
| 00:07.19 | Resnick | mordy_: ?! |
| 00:07.22 | Ace2016_- | don't need the --symbolic on the end |
| 00:07.40 | Ace2016_- | mordy_: about? |
| 00:08.06 | mordy_ | about men wearing bras. some weird people out there |
| 00:08.17 | Ace2016_- | <Schweiznisch> Do u like 2 sk8board? So do I. Well, I thought it would b a good idea 2 get a IRC channel for sk8ers goin, so if u wanna talk about sk8in den com 2 #sk8! 2 talk bout all things sk8in. Can u ollie? Tell us in #sk8! Can u do k00l tricks? Tell us in #sk8! Got a new deck? Com 2 #sk8! Da more sk8ers in da chat da merrier. So come 2 #sk8! 2day 2 talk about all things sk8in, rad or not. |
| 00:08.20 | Ace2016_- | i got that |
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| 00:08.37 | td123 | mordy_: same here :) |
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| 00:08.56 | mordy_ | doesn't even like them on women |
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| 00:09.42 | td123 | giggidy giggidy |
| 00:09.46 | mordy_ | isn't a k00l sk8r either |
| 00:09.55 | pixelmonkey | I'm trying to get a Python module (python-sqlobject) which is certified compatible with python2.5 to work with python 2.5 on Debian. It seems 'pycentral' is the command I need, but for whatever reason pycentral doesn't list python2.5 as an 'installed' python runtime version. Any ideas? |
| 00:10.30 | flawer | if I install ndswrapper... will my wifi work then? :P |
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| 00:10.40 | pixelmonkey | the real root issue is that the SQLObject 'egg' file is installed with a 'py24' suffix... I could hack it by just creating a symlink, but it seems like this is the very purpose of these 'pycentral', 'pyversions', and associated tools. |
| 00:10.47 | mordy_ | flawer, you most probably don't need ndiswrapper./ there are drivers out there |
| 00:11.09 | mordy_ | !rtl8185 |
| 00:11.09 | dpkg | [rtl-wifi] the Realtek Linux wireless driver, forked from the rtl8180-sa2400 project. Supports RTL8180, RTL8185 and RTL8187 chipsets. RTL8187 support included in mainline kernel from 2.6.23, "modprobe rtl8187". All other chipsets or older kernels require driver compilation, see http://rtl-wifi.sf.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu for instructions. Revision 67 fails to compile on i386/2.6.18, check out r62 instead. <rtl-wifi 2.6.24> |
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| 00:13.09 | mordy_ | well, realtek actually releases its drivers, pretty crappy though |
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| 00:14.01 | garotosopa | Does anyone wanna laugh at me? I just accidentally removed every file older than 60 days from /etc. damned wrong bash history! |
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| 00:14.59 | Resnick | garotosopa: I am not so experienced in linux ... but that can't be good. {:| |
| 00:16.08 | Sling | laughs at garotosopa |
| 00:16.35 | Sling | any backups? |
| 00:16.46 | garotosopa | of /etc? definitely not. |
| 00:16.57 | Sling | thats one of the easiest things to back up |
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| 00:17.25 | td123 | laughs *with* garotosopa |
| 00:17.34 | garotosopa | but the last I'd think about |
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| 00:18.20 | CShadowRun | just FYI, the CD amd64 download is broken. |
| 00:18.21 | CShadowRun | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/amd64/iso-cd/ |
| 00:18.24 | Resnick | Not sure how, but I got the module to compile. THanks for the sounding board guys. |
| 00:18.28 | td123 | garotosopa: next time do "alias rm rm -i" |
| 00:18.41 | garotosopa | td123, it was a find -delete :( |
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| 00:19.00 | garotosopa | but I'm doing that anyway. thanks for the tip. |
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| 00:19.23 | Sling | and make your root terminal in red, also makes you pay attention more |
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| 00:19.40 | flawer | is there a way I can boot another partition on my computer while im in windows..... vmware? |
| 00:20.09 | td123 | garotosopa: k, I still don't need to do that alias yet, only because I find it annoying... but once I delete something stupid, its time to alias rm rm -i :) |
| 00:20.29 | Resnick | Oh jeeze... "TontitoSoundSys: All men should wear bras every day ..." ... mordy_, looks like they're doing the rounds. |
| 00:20.52 | z_ | avu: I checked BTS, no dice, this doesn't seem to be a distro specific problem though, I found fedora and ubuntu complaints as well |
| 00:20.58 | PeterFA | What's after Lenny? |
| 00:21.05 | z_ | Resnick: I... did not know they had spam on irc... |
| 00:21.10 | avu | PeterFA, not decided yet |
| 00:21.21 | mordy_ | z_, is there any place where spam is not found? |
| 00:21.21 | td123 | PeterFA: unofficially, sid |
| 00:21.23 | PeterFA | avu, call it Monika then. |
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| 00:21.37 | avu | PeterFA, I don't recal that name from toy story? |
| 00:21.40 | CShadowRun | Correction: ALL the amd64 links are broken |
| 00:21.40 | Resnick | z_: I know! I've never recieved it before... I thought that was for AIM and ICQ users :o |
| 00:21.41 | garotosopa | td123, agreed. I'll also do history -c on bashrc or logout so I don't do the wrong find |
| 00:21.44 | Fisiu | hi all |
| 00:21.45 | CShadowRun | could someone like fix some of those? :( |
| 00:21.46 | PeterFA | avu, no, just a girl I like. |
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| 00:21.54 | Resnick | Fisiu: Hey |
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| 00:21.57 | PeterFA | blushes bashfully. |
| 00:22.02 | avu | PeterFA, well, debian releases always have names from toy story... |
| 00:22.13 | Fisiu | I am new to debian :) |
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| 00:22.27 | td123 | avu: can I suggest little bopeep, or however you spell that |
| 00:22.49 | garotosopa | how many toy story names are there? |
| 00:22.51 | petemc | bo was already a release |
| 00:22.54 | PeterFA | avu, who was Sid again? |
| 00:22.57 | Fisiu | how can I enable subpixel hinting? |
| 00:23.02 | z_ | the kid who broke all the toys |
| 00:23.03 | avu | PeterFA, the neighbour kid |
| 00:23.03 | Resnick | Potato was one, wasn't it? |
| 00:23.06 | quagga | PeterFA: the kid next door. the unstable oen |
| 00:23.11 | avu | PeterFA, that destorys all the toys |
| 00:23.13 | td123 | Resnick: ya |
| 00:23.14 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 00:23.40 | td123 | next release should be that little toy alien at pizza planet :) |
| 00:23.42 | quagga | slink, potato, woody, sarge, etch, lenny, sid i've all run. before that i think there was also hamm and bo |
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| 00:24.09 | mordy_ | quagga, i'm using lenny now - it's working |
| 00:24.17 | mordy_ | the webcam, that is |
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| 00:24.21 | PeterFA | notes the silliness of nerds. |
| 00:24.42 | quagga | mordy_: excellent! |
| 00:24.48 | Fisiu | !subpixel |
| 00:24.52 | PeterFA | I was wondering where you guys got your names from anyways. |
| 00:25.03 | mordy_ | quagga: took about three hours to upgrade however |
| 00:25.13 | td123 | Just for the heck of it, here is the list of toy story characters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters |
| 00:25.17 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 00:25.29 | PeterFA | Someone actually compiled that list? |
| 00:25.31 | PeterFA | Ugh! |
| 00:25.34 | quagga | mordy_: yeah. i have apt-cacher running on one of my machines so once the first one is installed, the other two are faster |
| 00:25.36 | PeterFA | What is this world coming too? |
| 00:25.37 | Legality | hmm.. right before my box went down, I get 7 of these in my log: Did not receive identification string from ip |
| 00:26.00 | mordy_ | quagga - i use approx - apt-cacher was even suckier for me |
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| 00:26.17 | PeterFA | I want to switch over to the new release once it's stable enough. |
| 00:26.25 | PeterFA | But, it's not even started, I don't think. |
| 00:26.28 | DakeDesu | I've been trying to figure this one out... why is iceweasel not working in sid? |
| 00:26.36 | garotosopa | Just curious... how much packages have you got installed? 691 here |
| 00:26.38 | DakeDesu | has checked the BTW btw |
| 00:26.43 | DakeDesu | s[BTW][BTS] |
| 00:26.59 | mordy_ | let me see... |
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| 00:27.20 | quagga | mordy_: i shall look at approx |
| 00:27.25 | flawer | err.... the .deb files cant be what im looking for. If I want gcc, shuld I download a tar.gz? |
| 00:27.34 | quagga | apt-cacher is bloody slow but then again, it is on the slowest system in my apt |
| 00:27.34 | mordy_ | hehe, with these remote sessions, it's difficult to know which computer you're using |
| 00:27.43 | z_ | waves at DakeDesu |
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| 00:27.53 | quagga | mordy_: configure your PS1 varible to be the machine name |
| 00:27.58 | mordy_ | yeah, but you don't really think that a chaching server needs a lot of juice |
| 00:28.02 | td123 | flawer: do you want to compile gcc for yourself? |
| 00:28.11 | DakeDesu | hi z_ |
| 00:28.18 | mordy_ | ps1 variable? |
| 00:28.34 | td123 | flawer: otherwise, use the .deb file |
| 00:28.44 | Resnick | Back in a tick. Thanks again. |
| 00:28.49 | DakeDesu | mordy_: the ps\d? variables are the prompt based variables |
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| 00:28.59 | quagga | mordy_: ocaml sounds better than perl |
| 00:29.00 | td123 | is anyone else getting the "real men wear bras" ad? |
| 00:29.12 | z_ | td123: yeah, wth right? |
| 00:29.12 | Nyle | huh |
| 00:29.19 | Nyle | fat guys have titties |
| 00:29.21 | mordy_ | i'm trying to set up DNS, but my gateway is a small netgear(albeit running dd-wrt) - i don't know if it supports it |
| 00:29.22 | Nyle | they need support too |
| 00:29.24 | Nyle | wth |
| 00:29.37 | Nyle | why can't men with titties wear a bra? |
| 00:29.40 | pixelmonkey | anyone know how to get sqlite running with python 2.5 on etch? |
| 00:29.42 | Nyle | seriously... |
| 00:29.48 | DakeDesu | td123: I just replied "uh, I am female" |
| 00:30.05 | Nyle | you shoulda said, I don't wear a 'bra', I wear a 'bro' made for men ;) |
| 00:30.12 | Nyle | </seinfeld> |
| 00:30.13 | garotosopa | td123, where's this ad from? |
| 00:30.15 | mordy_ | not to mention i don't know how to set up bind etc. - but i'd like to learn. i just don't want to impair my connection in the process |
| 00:30.22 | Nyle | !dns |
| 00:30.28 | Nyle | nm |
| 00:30.29 | Nyle | !bind |
| 00:30.29 | dpkg | hmm... bind is the Berkeley Internet Name Daemon, a DNS server; see http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/. "aptitude install bind9-doc", or try #bind |
| 00:30.30 | DakeDesu | garotosopa: it is a spam bot |
| 00:30.40 | Nyle | DakeDesu, report in #freenode |
| 00:30.46 | Nyle | nick/host |
| 00:30.49 | td123 | DakeDesu: it's automated, some kid probably found out the code to connect to irc and send messages to all people in a channel :P |
| 00:30.51 | mordy_ | yeah, i can't read the doc unless i have something to play around with |
| 00:31.04 | Nyle | mordy_, #bind |
| 00:31.11 | garotosopa | pixelmonkey, you might need the python-pysqlite2 package -- donno if it's on etch |
| 00:31.11 | Nyle | i bet the /topic there has more info |
| 00:31.13 | DakeDesu | td123: heh... I hope nobody does that with my project "luvbot" |
| 00:31.21 | Nyle | !sunday |
| 00:31.22 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:31.32 | Nyle | ignore em/spam/bots/idiots |
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| 00:31.56 | DakeDesu | people keep telling me I am a trollop... is that similar? :P |
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| 00:32.06 | DakeDesu | lol |
| 00:32.07 | Nyle | whats a trollop? |
| 00:32.09 | td123 | DakeDesu: luvbot ehh??? |
| 00:32.13 | flawer | td123: The deb is only 4.9kb. I guess it's some kind of a link to the internet, which I dont have. |
| 00:32.29 | Nyle | you've seen that movie with the little Kid? called AI, artificial intelligence |
| 00:32.30 | td123 | flawer, sudo aptitude install gcc |
| 00:32.30 | DakeDesu | td123: I lost a lot of code when the usb drive it was on crashed |
| 00:32.32 | Nyle | some sci-fi movie |
| 00:32.39 | Nyle | they had some luvbots in there |
| 00:32.40 | Nyle | ;) |
| 00:32.48 | mordy_ | gah, i can't uninstall any KDE component without removing KDE itself. why should removing "amor" need to remove KDE as well? |
| 00:32.57 | flawer | td123: I dont have internet on linux... =) .............. |
| 00:32.58 | Nyle | mordy_, aptitude |
| 00:33.04 | Nyle | mordy_, its known to do that |
| 00:33.07 | z_ | Noun |
| 00:33.11 | Nyle | dependency bullshit |
| 00:33.13 | DakeDesu | Nyle: this one is actually named after a character in "Bob the Angry Flower" |
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| 00:33.32 | td123 | flawer how do you install stuff, dl, and transfer? |
| 00:33.35 | mordy_ | nyle, aptitude won't give me that? |
| 00:33.40 | Nyle | nope |
| 00:33.49 | mordy_ | then what? |
| 00:33.55 | DakeDesu | flawer: I would personally do `sudo apt-get install build-essentials` (might have screwed up that meta package name) |
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| 00:34.02 | Nyle | if you use apt-get remove you can, but then if you use aptitude afterwords, it will try to resolve dependencies and remove entire kde |
| 00:34.06 | flawer | td123: yes. and now im trying to make my wifi work, but I need drivers |
| 00:34.18 | Nyle | !b-e |
| 00:34.18 | dpkg | [build-essential] a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 00:34.21 | flawer | DakeDesu: does that require internet? |
| 00:34.25 | Nyle | you're right. |
| 00:34.26 | mordy_ | i wish KDE had some kind of package to clean up after itself |
| 00:34.33 | td123 | flawer: download the packages from http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 00:34.44 | Nyle | td123, packages.debian.org |
| 00:34.47 | Nyle | actually |
| 00:34.50 | Nyle | !pdo |
| 00:34.50 | dpkg | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
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| 00:36.18 | mordy_ | !adept |
| 00:36.18 | dpkg | [adept] a package manager for Debian that is designed to fit nicely into KDE environments. It is sufficiently buggy that it is not even in sid; take that as a warning. See http://bugs.debian.org/464340. Its use under etch is not recommended either; just use aptitude instead or if you really need a GUI, synaptic. Ask me about <aptitude> <synaptic>. |
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| 00:36.25 | mordy_ | gah |
| 00:36.35 | mordy_ | wait, this is old. adept is in etch |
| 00:36.36 | Legality | is there a way to see a debian boxes temp without installing additional software? |
| 00:36.37 | Legality | *temperature |
| 00:36.40 | td123 | flawer: you could also get the full dvd set from torrent, the whole set is about 3 dvds for 4.0 or 5 dvds for testing |
| 00:36.43 | Nyle | mordy_, there is kynaptic |
| 00:36.47 | Nyle | synaptic for kde i think |
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| 00:36.52 | Nyle | !+info kynaptic |
| 00:36.53 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 00:37.14 | dpkg | Package 'kynaptic' does not exist. |
| 00:37.17 | Nyle | hm |
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| 00:37.20 | Nyle | it used to be |
| 00:37.24 | Nyle | mordy_, try kpackage |
| 00:37.24 | quagga | mordy_: approx is at least 3x faster than apt-cacher. thanks :) |
| 00:37.37 | flawer | how do I install what's on the other dvd´s? |
| 00:37.43 | flawer | dvds* |
| 00:37.45 | DakeDesu | Nyle: is there a kde4 kynaptic in experimental? |
| 00:37.46 | Nyle | flawer, apt-cdrom |
| 00:37.53 | Nyle | DakeDesu, not sure |
| 00:38.00 | td123 | flawer: "sudo apt-cdrom add" |
| 00:38.06 | mordy_ | hehe, saw the config file quagga? |
| 00:38.13 | DakeDesu | still doesn't know how to use apt-cache on experimental |
| 00:38.24 | Nyle | don't fuck with experimental if you can't use apt-cache |
| 00:38.28 | Nyle | seriously... |
| 00:38.33 | Nyle | *shakes head* |
| 00:38.45 | flawer | do I have to be specifik on what to install from the cdrom, or does it just install what's in it so I dont have to look for the right cd but can download them all and install? *kind of* |
| 00:38.48 | Nyle | !kynaptic |
| 00:38.50 | Nyle | h |
| 00:39.03 | DakeDesu | meh... I am just going with howtos online... it is not like I am updating my kernel to experimental lol |
| 00:39.08 | Nyle | dpkg kynaptic is like Synaptic for KDE @ http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22850 |
| 00:39.09 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
| 00:39.12 | quagga | mordy_: yeah, pretty simple. more to config in approx.conf and less to configure in sources.list |
| 00:39.17 | Nyle | !experimental |
| 00:39.18 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 00:39.18 | DakeDesu | and the onlything I've added via experimental is KDE4 and QT4 |
| 00:39.43 | DakeDesu | thats okay... I know better than to ask for help on beta packages |
| 00:39.46 | Nyle | now that we know, I will personally not be supporting you. |
| 00:39.47 | td123 | flawer: you remove the internet sources, add the cdrom sources and you just do "sudo aptitude install package", it will find all the packages it needs on the dvds, just follow the instruction that it will provide you on the screen |
| 00:39.56 | Nyle | !apt-cdrom |
| 00:39.57 | dpkg | apt-cdrom is, like, used to add new CDROMS to the apts list of available sources. Ask me about apt-cdrom_external |
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| 00:40.14 | Nyle | td123, no |
| 00:40.17 | DakeDesu | thats why I didn't come in here asking about iceweasel until I found out z_ was having the same problem with his system |
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| 00:40.25 | Nyle | DakeDesu, learn to check the bts |
| 00:40.33 | mordy_ | is kynaptic in debian? |
| 00:40.35 | DakeDesu | Nyle: I have |
| 00:40.39 | Nyle | if you are not in Etch, install apt-listbugs, apt-listchanges, and use the BTS |
| 00:40.49 | td123 | Nyle: ? |
| 00:40.57 | mordy_ | i can't find kynaptic :( maybe i'll just download it from the 'internet' |
| 00:41.00 | Nyle | if you are not going to reportbugs and/or file them, follow up with them, there is no need to use anything beyond testing |
| 00:41.04 | Nyle | !kynaptic |
| 00:41.05 | dpkg | somebody said kynaptic was like Synaptic for KDE @ http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=22850 |
| 00:41.07 | Nyle | not in debian |
| 00:41.18 | DakeDesu | Nyle: will apt-buglists update faster than debian's website? |
| 00:41.28 | Nyle | listbugs |
| 00:41.38 | Nyle | and no, currently in sid its buggy, doesn't fetch bugreports |
| 00:41.40 | Nyle | I wonder |
| 00:41.54 | DakeDesu | Nyle: actually I tried to file a bug report some time ago... but the bug reporter was glitchy |
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| 00:42.00 | mordy_ | gah, from the description it seems like just another interface for apt - i need a package manager which only works with KDE packages |
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| 00:42.33 | Nyle | !dbugs #492012 |
| 00:42.36 | dpkg | #492012:N[apt-listbugs] apt-listbugs: fails to retreive bug reports if there are a lot of bugs; Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:27:01 UTC |
| 00:42.54 | mordy_ | lol |
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| 00:43.38 | Nyle | sid is fun! |
| 00:43.52 | Nyle | you get to learn and participate and hunt bugs |
| 00:43.53 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:43.55 | mordy_ | gah, what am i even doign up? it's 4:00AM here |
| 00:43.55 | Nyle | !exp4bugs |
| 00:43.56 | dpkg | exp4bugs is, like, "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 00:44.02 | Nyle | right here! |
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| 00:46.24 | DakeDesu | Nyle: actually, I don't mind sid... I very rarely get any major bugs that I cannot live with |
| 00:46.35 | Nyle | DakeDesu, yeh |
| 00:46.38 | Nyle | DakeDesu, well you kow |
| 00:46.49 | DakeDesu | anything that does go buggy, I can usually attribute it to IBUAK error |
| 00:47.05 | DakeDesu | (I think the term is IBUAK) |
| 00:47.20 | Nyle | DakeDesu, if you can't fix a problem in sid, shouldn't be using it. If you can, then you can use it. But if you do use sid, please, PLEASE for the love of Debian, file some fucking bugs man |
| 00:47.22 | DakeDesu | or for really bad ones I can attribute it to id ten t errors |
| 00:47.24 | Nyle | you konw |
| 00:47.28 | Nyle | install reportbug and file bugs |
| 00:47.36 | Nyle | please |
| 00:47.45 | DakeDesu | Nyle: last time I installed reportbug it didn't work |
| 00:47.52 | Nyle | don't give up, try again |
| 00:47.56 | Nyle | hey man |
| 00:48.08 | Nyle | im talking to my girl now, so i gotta go (i'll be around kinda) |
| 00:48.14 | Nyle | she gets mad when im on the comptuer a lot |
| 00:48.15 | Nyle | :D |
| 00:48.18 | DakeDesu | c-ya |
| 00:48.25 | mordy_ | hehe |
| 00:48.37 | DakeDesu | my boyfriends have complained about that in the past |
| 00:49.17 | DakeDesu | anyways, running an upgrade right now... after that I'll try reportbug |
| 00:49.21 | garotosopa | I'm trying "dpkg --force-all --force-remove-reinstreq --remove acpid" but still getting "dpkg: error processing acpid (--remove):". How do I really force the remove? |
| 00:49.49 | DakeDesu | garotosopa: is acpid running right now? |
| 00:52.04 | garotosopa | DakeDesu, I accidentally removed everything from /etc and I'm trying to reinstall everything from aptitude. that's might be the problem. |
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| 00:53.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | uh, holy lag |
| 00:55.00 | petemc | !confmiss |
| 00:55.00 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 00:55.05 | DakeDesu | garotosopa: =O.O= |
| 00:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | are there any packages in debian, which in summary give a full reference to the tex/latex commands? |
| 00:55.43 | DakeDesu | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd just search google, that file->save or wget sites on that |
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| 00:57.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not that I didn't search before asking here - but if there's free documentation it'd make sense to have a package... so it could be only one apt-get away... :) |
| 00:57.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | you're saying it aint so? |
| 00:57.52 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: what parts of tex? |
| 00:58.16 | Cyan20 | hello...i am trying to activate my wlan...i compiled and installed ndiswrapper and the drivers that the ndiswrapper |
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| 00:58.25 | Cyan20 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.41 | Cyan20 | but for some reason i am getting stuck at modprobe :s |
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| 00:58.49 | petemc | CutMeOwnThroat: how did you search? |
| 00:58.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | general commands - I used rtf2latex and got a document containing textquotedbl, so I wanted to look up where textquotedbl comes from... |
| 00:59.21 | Resnick | I build the module uvcvideo.ko and it installed into "/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-486/usb/media/usb" without complaint, but modprobe doesn't find it... |
| 00:59.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | doesn't happen so rarely that I see commands I want to look up - which could of course be tex or latex |
| 00:59.47 | DakeDesu | I gotta log in and out |
| 00:59.50 | DakeDesu | bbiab |
| 01:00.06 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: it's most likely a command; check which packages are included |
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| 01:00.44 | AcTiVaTe | Resnick: depmod -ae ? |
| 01:01.07 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: the package documentation is generally included in texlive-doc or associated documentation packages. |
| 01:01.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, it sure is - and I can (and already did search/find it a year ago) - it'd just be generally nice if there was a local reference |
| 01:01.36 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: that is the reference, actually. |
| 01:01.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, so switching from tetex to texlife is now recommended? |
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| 01:02.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | (that's actually what delayed my search, stumbling about texlife as tetex replacement) |
| 01:02.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 01:02.12 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: texlive is the one with the active upstream, and it's the one being maintained in Debian. |
| 01:02.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok |
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| 01:03.00 | Resnick | AcTiVaTe: Thanks, it's done .. something. Too quiet for my liking, but I will see what happened. |
| 01:03.42 | Resnick | AcTiVaTe: Jackpot mate. Thanks for that! |
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| 01:06.19 | s3a | can i use the debian etch installer a net install disc? |
| 01:06.24 | s3a | as a net* |
| 01:06.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, thanks, I'll have a look at those once more... but I think I already looked through them in vain |
| 01:06.32 | petemc | yes |
| 01:06.47 | s3a | petemc: ur yes was for me? |
| 01:06.52 | petemc | yes |
| 01:07.11 | s3a | petemc: ok so i can install lenny testing using the debian etch installer? |
| 01:07.40 | petemc | you can install then upgrade |
| 01:07.58 | helo | what do i need to do after i remove a .forward so mail will start arriving in that user's box again? |
| 01:07.58 | s3a | petemc: plz check this (http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=29188) out |
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| 01:08.06 | dondelelcaro | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't recognize that command myself; it's likely that it's something custom made by rtf2latex; it's trivial in latex to write your own commands. |
| 01:08.07 | helo | i'm using courier suite for mail |
| 01:08.57 | dondelelcaro | helo: nothing |
| 01:09.02 | helo | hmm... wth |
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| 01:10.46 | helo | it's still going to the old box... maybe there is some other mechanism that is doing the forwarding... |
| 01:11.15 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 01:11.16 | Nyle | back |
| 01:11.19 | dondelelcaro | helo: uh... if the mail isn't actually making it to the new machine, that's got nothing to do with .forward files |
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| 01:11.35 | s3a | petemc: did u check the thread? |
| 01:11.51 | helo | ahh, /etc/courier/aliases/system |
| 01:11.59 | petemc | s3a: no |
| 01:12.37 | s3a | petemc: can u check plz bcuz i want to see wat i did wrong if anything bcuz i had tried wat u just suggested and i ruined my whole system |
| 01:13.05 | Nyle | wow that line was difficult for me to make out... |
| 01:13.12 | Dan6688 | any of you use a terminal/console-based e-mail client (like Evolution) nowadays? as in, if you do, which one is used nowadays? |
| 01:13.27 | Nyle | Dan6688, there are many good ones |
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| 01:14.07 | Dan6688 | Nyle: which one would you deem "better"? there have been quite a few but I'd like people's opinions |
| 01:14.27 | Nyle | I am an old time pine user (have not used any in a while) |
| 01:14.31 | Nyle | there is alpine |
| 01:14.42 | Nyle | pine I don't think is dfsg compatible |
| 01:14.57 | petemc | Dan6688: mutt is popular |
| 01:15.01 | Dan6688 | Nyle: yeah, I've heard a lot about pine, and I've heard about alpine being a clone or a newer version of it |
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| 01:15.36 | Nyle | mutt is also good |
| 01:15.49 | Dan6688 | petemc: yeah I didn't really know what it was as I've just switched to Debian and it's included in disc1 |
| 01:15.54 | petemc | Dan6688: evolution is a graphical client |
| 01:16.01 | Nyle | http://email.about.com/od/linuxemailclients/Linux_and_Unix_Email_Clients.htm |
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| 01:16.23 | Dan6688 | petemc: yeah I use that one, I was just wondering what terminal-based choices are deemed as the best |
| 01:16.28 | Dan6688 | Nyle: thanks for that |
| 01:16.32 | Nyle | mutt, pine, alpine |
| 01:16.37 | Nyle | 3 big ones I know of |
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| 01:16.53 | Nyle | http://code.google.com/p/sarpa/ |
| 01:16.54 | jaimesilva | Hi everyone! |
| 01:17.00 | Nyle | jaimesilva, hello! |
| 01:17.02 | Dan6688 | Nyle: yeah, I'll check them out. probably pine first, as it's a pretty known one |
| 01:17.14 | Nyle | good deal |
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| 01:17.33 | Nyle | hey pete man |
| 01:17.35 | Nyle | what do you use? |
| 01:17.42 | petemc | mutt |
| 01:17.45 | Nyle | word |
| 01:18.26 | petemc | it sucks less |
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| 01:18.36 | Dan6688 | Nyle: you said you're a pine user - is it true that it doesn't work well with POP? that's the first con I've read |
| 01:18.38 | jaimesilva | I'm having a problem: When I start an application de window takes too long to appear, the cpus are at about 5% and there is only 20% of ram used but the windows are delayed, does someone knows why? |
| 01:19.14 | Nyle | uh |
| 01:19.17 | Nyle | where did you read this? |
| 01:19.24 | Nyle | and when did pine stop supporting pop3? |
| 01:19.32 | Dan6688 | Nyle: http://email.about.com/cs/linuxclientrevs/gr/pine.htm |
| 01:19.42 | Nyle | about.com is full of shit. |
| 01:19.42 | Dan6688 | Pine doesn't work well with POP accounts dire |
| 01:19.45 | Dan6688 | directly* |
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| 01:20.07 | Nyle | specify the /pop3 flat |
| 01:20.09 | Nyle | flag* |
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| 01:20.26 | Nyle | the only thing that it gives problems with is potentially faulty newmail notifications |
| 01:20.30 | Nyle | ime (long time ago) |
| 01:20.36 | Dan6688 | Nyle: that's fine with me then |
| 01:20.42 | Nyle | imap, pop3, its all good |
| 01:20.44 | Dan6688 | Nyle: I'll give it a fair try |
| 01:20.49 | Dan6688 | Nyle: nice one, thanks |
| 01:20.51 | Nyle | good stuff, good stuff |
| 01:21.03 | jaimesilva | I'm using compiz-fusion+emerald decorations/gnome |
| 01:21.04 | Nyle | though |
| 01:21.12 | Nyle | you CANNOT send mail from the cli |
| 01:21.15 | Nyle | using pine |
| 01:21.48 | Dan6688 | Nyle: well I can use a graphical client to send e-mails, and use pine to check and read e-mails when doing console work |
| 01:21.49 | Nyle | well, you have to use pine itself |
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| 01:22.07 | Nyle | the email writing tool |
| 01:22.20 | Dan6688 | is that not a good thing? |
| 01:22.38 | Nyle | i dunno how far they made pine i used it like back in the fucking day |
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| 01:22.45 | Nyle | I don't even really remember much at all to be honest with ya |
| 01:23.14 | petemc | pine traditionaly invoked pico to do the writing |
| 01:23.15 | Dan6688 | ah that's fine, it took me a while to get used to emacs and honestly I haven't gotten the hang of it yet lol |
| 01:23.15 | Nyle | you should use alpine instead |
| 01:23.27 | Dan6688 | petemc: now that sounds great |
| 01:23.38 | Nyle | yeh, you should actually use alpine instead anyway |
| 01:23.45 | Nyle | here is what the washington uni site has to say |
| 01:23.50 | Nyle | Pine is no longer under active development. Consider evaluating its successor, Alpine, which supports all of Pine's functionality and more. |
| 01:23.53 | Nyle | !pine |
| 01:23.54 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include <elm>, <mutt>, <spruce>, <sylpheed>, <balsa>, and many other FREE readers. Binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To build pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about <nano>, or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 01:24.05 | Dan6688 | haha |
| 01:24.16 | Dan6688 | I'd rather have a supported and developing one |
| 01:24.22 | Dan6688 | so mutt and alpine will be what I try |
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| 01:24.38 | Dan6688 | I guess I'll do what I did when I was looking for a nice IRC client: try half of the main ones |
| 01:24.49 | Nyle | Dan6688, you know |
| 01:24.57 | Nyle | I actually don't mind helping you in the future either |
| 01:25.06 | Nyle | you're like one of the rare breeds |
| 01:25.15 | Nyle | usually people just come in and demand to know the 'best' software |
| 01:25.19 | Nyle | fucking pisses me off |
| 01:25.34 | Dan6688 | Nyle: and if their perfect program doesn't exist, they want to make you program it |
| 01:25.41 | Dan6688 | Nyle: I ****ing know it lol |
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| 01:26.07 | Nyle | well not really, just moronic I suppose. I'm gonna stop using the enter key so much I think 5 lines is good enough. You can say fuck here, no problem. You don't have to censor yourself, just don't insult or attack others, this is NOT #ubuntu |
| 01:26.13 | Nyle | fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuck :) |
| 01:26.24 | Dan6688 | Nyle: hahaha |
| 01:26.32 | Dan6688 | I can't remember who it was that got me into saying "ubuntu" instead of "shit" |
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| 01:26.43 | Nyle | heh. |
| 01:26.50 | Nyle | eats a skittle |
| 01:26.59 | Dan6688 | lol |
| 01:27.14 | Nyle | Dan6688, which debian release are you using? |
| 01:27.41 | Dan6688 | 40r3 if that's the release (interesting notation...), etch |
| 01:27.45 | Nyle | yes |
| 01:27.51 | Nyle | how long have you been using debian? |
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| 01:27.57 | Dan6688 | well, a few days really |
| 01:28.05 | Nyle | oh? |
| 01:28.17 | Dan6688 | I gave Ubuntu a try as I help people try out linux and people think it's good for beginners |
| 01:28.28 | Nyle | how long on linux? |
| 01:28.30 | Dan6688 | mostly I've used Arch and I used Fedora for a while |
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| 01:28.40 | Dan6688 | Nyle: pretty much a year I think |
| 01:28.42 | Nyle | I see |
| 01:28.58 | Nyle | how do you like debian compared to Ubuntu? |
| 01:29.05 | Dan6688 | Nyle: oh dear |
| 01:29.06 | Nyle | (I think debian is a lot cleaner) |
| 01:29.12 | Nyle | and more solid in stability |
| 01:29.16 | Dan6688 | I love it |
| 01:29.20 | Dan6688 | (Debian) |
| 01:29.33 | Nyle | I use Kubuntu as my desktop right now |
| 01:29.41 | Resnick | I just switched today to Deb. I have to say I am enjoying it so far. |
| 01:29.51 | Nyle | I have another one with Windows XP Pro x64 |
| 01:29.57 | Dan6688 | Resnick: What were you using before? |
| 01:30.05 | kmeyer | a box in my cupboard has been running debian for the past couple days |
| 01:30.07 | Nyle | I have an openbsd box, 2 etch machines, and a sid laptop |
| 01:30.08 | Dan6688 | Nyle: how long have you been using Debian then? |
| 01:30.08 | kmeyer | I'm happy with it |
| 01:30.15 | Nyle | sine early 2001 |
| 01:30.35 | Nyle | a friend from college told me about it |
| 01:30.37 | Resnick | Dan6688: Slackware for a few years. |
| 01:30.44 | Nyle | he was in that CybarArmy group |
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| 01:31.06 | Dan6688 | talking about boxes in cupboards... there's the message in the ArchLinux boot cd that says "if you want to install Arch on your kerosene-powered cheese grater, check our wiki" |
| 01:31.10 | Nyle | before that I was a nomad, using whatever distribution here and there, off the wall ones, personal ones, big ones, small ones |
| 01:31.22 | Nyle | before that I was using redhat 6.0-6.2 avidly |
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| 01:31.25 | Dan6688 | Nyle: yeah same I suppose, although there's a lot I haven't tried yet |
| 01:31.28 | Nyle | before that I was using caldera |
| 01:31.34 | Nyle | man those were the days |
| 01:31.36 | Dan6688 | Nyle: personal version of redhat I assume? |
| 01:31.37 | kmeyer | Dan6688: different kind of box :D |
| 01:31.45 | Nyle | Dan6688, no, just various smalltime distributions |
| 01:31.48 | Dan6688 | kmeyer: I know, I just find the term "box" for computer funny =P |
| 01:31.56 | Nyle | it IS a box ;) |
| 01:31.56 | kmeyer | mhm |
| 01:32.00 | Dan6688 | indeed |
| 01:32.53 | Dan6688 | I suppose people who say "box" do OOP, and people who say "desktop" do functional =P |
| 01:32.54 | Nyle | I want to be fully in debian one day |
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| 01:33.15 | Dan6688 | how come you use winxp? |
| 01:33.23 | Nyle | debian hat, debian tattoo, debian shirt, and debian pant, and deibian beltbuckle and debian underwear and debian socks and debian shoes and a debian watch |
| 01:33.27 | Resnick | Nyle: It feels good to be clean :) |
| 01:33.33 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:33.38 | Nyle | Dan6688, I like it |
| 01:33.49 | Dan6688 | lol you know, I even love the damn screensaver |
| 01:33.56 | Nyle | I love windows XP pro x64, minus frills through nlite, and 3rd party tools and free software |
| 01:33.57 | Dan6688 | I just like Debian for some reason |
| 01:33.59 | Nyle | its great for gaming |
| 01:34.00 | kmeyer | what screensaver? |
| 01:34.12 | Dan6688 | kmeyer: default one on the latest disc1 |
| 01:34.21 | kmeyer | GNOME? KDE? |
| 01:34.23 | Nyle | Dan6688, I don't discriminate. There are some thigns that piss me off about Debian majorly too |
| 01:34.25 | Dan6688 | GNOME |
| 01:34.28 | kmeyer | ah. |
| 01:34.30 | Nyle | its with any/all OS/software/hardware |
| 01:34.33 | kmeyer | I didn't install X on my debian box |
| 01:34.34 | Nyle | somethings you like, some you don't, but the pros of debian weight out the cons by a landslide |
| 01:35.03 | Dan6688 | Nyle: yeah well I'm not one of those people who spend more time bashing OS'es and programming languages than programming and doing something useful |
| 01:35.08 | Nyle | however, I don't use windows for my recording studio |
| 01:35.19 | Nyle | Dan6688, http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/Mortal.mp3 |
| 01:35.27 | Nyle | Dan6688, this is produced on purely a debian recording studio |
| 01:35.35 | Nyle | nothing non-free or contrib based |
| 01:35.45 | kmeyer | other than mp3 encoding |
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| 01:35.51 | Dan6688 | I'll listen to it in a bit, I seem to have forgotten to install the media plugins |
| 01:35.52 | Nyle | audacity used lame |
| 01:35.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:36.03 | kmeyer | lame is main in debian? |
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| 01:36.07 | Nyle | no |
| 01:36.08 | Nyle | xp |
| 01:36.10 | kmeyer | thought not :D |
| 01:36.16 | Nyle | I only produce ogg in linux |
| 01:36.40 | Nyle | but i had to conver it to mp3 in my xp for the lamers who don't know how to install a vorbis codec |
| 01:36.54 | Dan6688 | Nyle: I converted the whole of my music collection to ogg when I transferred it from an XP |
| 01:37.00 | Nyle | from |
| 01:37.01 | Nyle | ? |
| 01:37.05 | Nyle | don't say mp3! |
| 01:37.11 | Resnick | Dan6688: Same here :) |
| 01:37.17 | Nyle | lossy to lossy! you're gonna kill your sound |
| 01:37.31 | Nyle | you already have probably |
| 01:37.42 | Dan6688 | Nyle: I still have the mp3s =P |
| 01:37.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, heh, guess I should have searched the web directly for the command - it's defined in the T1 fontencoding and a post explaining that was hit no 1 (but I'm using the weak wlan signal from the restaurant downstairs, so I rather tried to use a local resource) |
| 01:38.20 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat, hackaday.com ! build your own little signal amplifier |
| 01:38.27 | Nyle | type thingy, wifi antennae |
| 01:38.27 | salvin | how can i choose the wm in gnome? |
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| 01:38.39 | Nyle | salvin, I think you can through GDM |
| 01:38.49 | salvin | i want to replace metacity with compiz |
| 01:38.58 | Nyle | salvin, however, you can go to the command line like Xterm or gnome-terminal and simply type the name of the window manager, like fluxbox --replace |
| 01:39.07 | Nyle | or metacity --replace or sawfish --replace |
| 01:39.17 | Nyle | maybe followed by a & to send it to bg |
| 01:39.28 | Nyle | salvin, you need to visit #compiz-fusion |
| 01:39.47 | Nyle | !listvals compiz |
| 01:39.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'compiz' by value (4): eyecandy ;; compiz ;; xgl ;; beryl. |
| 01:39.54 | Nyle | !eyecandy |
| 01:39.54 | dpkg | eyecandy is, like, see gtk-engines-*, penguineyes, clearlooks-cairo-2, <compiz>, <beryl>, compiz fusion, http://www.kde-look.org/, |
| 01:40.02 | Nyle | nm |
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| 01:41.24 | Dan6688 | jaimesilva: you still around? |
| 01:42.04 | Nyle | man, I need a new motherboard |
| 01:42.11 | Nyle | one with 2x pci-e |
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| 01:42.21 | Nyle | x16 |
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| 01:42.47 | Nyle | (I am going to buy that and another video card like the one I have, and 2 more 22" lcds) |
| 01:42.49 | daxroc | Lo all |
| 01:42.51 | Dan6688 | what I need is a whole new computer, I'm on an intel i386 and I REALLY need a laptop |
| 01:42.58 | Nyle | hello |
| 01:43.14 | daxroc | Are the iso(s) down ? |
| 01:43.33 | daxroc | *Tiny |
| 01:43.48 | salvin | Nyle, but i want to replace it permanently |
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| 01:44.40 | Nyle | salvin, please visit #compiz-fusion channel. They have 3rd party repositories for packages of compiz-fusion as well as guides on how to configure your gnome to autostart compiz-fusion |
| 01:44.49 | Nyle | plus they are experts, they can help you a lot more than people in here |
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| 01:45.22 | Nyle | (because thats all they do is compiz stuff, all day and all night) |
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| 01:45.37 | Nyle | the only other person besides I that know of in here that uses compiz is amphi |
| 01:45.38 | daxroc | google would be a better bet as it has been explained in numeros guides tutorials , howtos |
| 01:45.47 | Nyle | daxroc, right too |
| 01:46.03 | atp | hi guys, i'm planning on migrating to a stock kernel (i've always built my own kernel) and i'd like to know what's involved. after apt-get'ing the stock kernel, the installer warned me that i needed to enable initrd images in my bootloader. i use lilo. what if anything do i need to do? |
| 01:46.22 | Nyle | atp, are you using make-kpkg? |
| 01:46.26 | Nyle | !kp |
| 01:46.26 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
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| 01:46.35 | atp | Nyle: no, i'm trying to move away from building my own kernel at all... i don't have time |
| 01:46.45 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:46.48 | atp | Nyle: but i never used make-kpkg |
| 01:47.02 | atp | Nyle: i started using debian back before such functionality was available |
| 01:47.03 | Nyle | sorry I misread, I thought you said migrating _FROM_ |
| 01:47.05 | Nyle | sorry I misread |
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| 01:47.24 | atp | Nyle: no problem |
| 01:47.38 | Nyle | atp, I am not sure on how to exactly configure lilo, but I suppose you'd have to start by putting an initrd line in there or something |
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| 01:47.51 | atp | Nyle: i'll peruse the manpage i guess |
| 01:47.57 | Nyle | I'm not sure if kernel package's postinstall scripts update lilo |
| 01:48.06 | Nyle | I know that they run update-grub afterwords |
| 01:48.17 | atp | Nyle: is grub the standard debian bootloader these days? |
| 01:48.21 | snadge | has anyone here tested the latest sid as a domU under xen? |
| 01:48.23 | Nyle | maybe there is an update-lilo as well, not sure. Why don't you use grub btw? (just curious) |
| 01:48.31 | Nyle | atp, yes it is |
| 01:48.45 | atp | Nyle: i've had debian on this computer since probably 2003 or so |
| 01:48.54 | atp | Nyle: at that point i think lilo was the default install |
| 01:49.07 | atp | Nyle: works fine so i never messed with it. |
| 01:49.08 | snadge | it would be nice if i knew the debian guy whos maintaining xen.. or if he/she has a blog :P |
| 01:49.25 | Nyle | snadge, google the name of the maintainer? |
| 01:49.31 | flawer | make/gcc isnt working. I dont have the exact errormessage, but it goes like "/lib/kernel-amd64-1234/build/.config does not exist ........... no rules for generating a configfile ......... stopping" when I try to install a wifi driver |
| 01:49.37 | atp | Nyle: i used to use grub many years ago... 2000 or thereabouts... when i dual booted the hurd |
| 01:49.40 | mordy_ | hehe, i got a new windows manager |
| 01:49.56 | Nyle | atp, I've always used grub with debian |
| 01:49.57 | mordy_ | xfce - pretty nice. is this supposed to look like os x? |
| 01:50.08 | Nyle | lilo on redhat before that and etc. etc. |
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| 01:50.26 | atp | Nyle: hm... well, i guess i haven't done a clean debian install for a long time |
| 01:50.33 | Nyle | !lilo |
| 01:50.33 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lilo is the LInux LOader, and the head of staff of irc.freenode.net (who isn't named after the LInux LOader) |
| 01:50.39 | Nyle | lol |
| 01:51.11 | Dan6688 | lol who's in charge of dpkg here? =P |
| 01:51.29 | Nyle | hm |
| 01:51.32 | Nyle | Dan6688, dondelelcaro |
| 01:51.42 | Dan6688 | alright, kudos anyway lol |
| 01:52.03 | Nyle | atp, I suppose you can go to lilo.conf and initrd=/boot/nameofinitrd.gz ? |
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| 01:52.15 | Nyle | atp, I mean, you should know how to configure a lilo.conf right? |
| 01:52.25 | atp | Nyle: sure. |
| 01:52.30 | Nyle | cool |
| 01:52.40 | daxroc | Why are the iso mirrors? |
| 01:52.40 | atp | Nyle: but as i built my own kernel image, i never bothered with an initrd image |
| 01:52.51 | atp | Nyle: so i'm not exactly sure if there are any gotchas there |
| 01:52.53 | daxroc | why are they all down |
| 01:53.35 | Nyle | atp, the kernel package will install the kernel image, and generate an initrd iamge |
| 01:53.47 | abrotman | daxroc: all down? |
| 01:53.48 | Nyle | atp, you simply need to tell your bootloader that you have an initrd using the initrd= line |
| 01:53.59 | atp | Nyle: ah. ok. |
| 01:54.03 | Dan6688 | will be back later. |
| 01:54.08 | atp | Nyle: that should be easy. |
| 01:54.15 | Nyle | I think so too |
| 01:54.18 | abrotman | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 01:54.21 | atp | Nyle: thanks for your help. |
| 01:54.24 | Nyle | sure |
| 01:55.04 | daxroc | abrotman: most of them |
| 01:55.14 | abrotman | that one works |
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| 01:55.54 | Nyle | heh |
| 01:55.58 | Nyle | my girl wants to see debstats |
| 01:56.01 | Nyle | !debstats |
| 01:56.02 | dpkg | debstats is managed by sussudio, http://debstats.dontexist.org/ (#debian FN) or http://home.wanadoo.nl/sussudio/debian-oftc.html (#debian OFTC) |
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| 01:56.24 | jezez | for some reason when i boot debian, i get told that i haven't checked my file system in 48200 something days and it begins to check my root ext3 partition |
| 01:57.15 | snadge | ok so i've found out who maintains xen in debian.. cool, not sure how accurate it is |
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| 01:57.36 | snadge | but i guess what im more interested in.. is if anyone is actually testing this stuff? |
| 01:58.14 | Resnick | jezez: System clock and date OK? |
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| 01:58.39 | snadge | surely theres people running xen who can debootstrap the latest sid into a new domU? :P |
| 01:58.52 | snadge | and then see if it breaks virt-manager |
| 01:59.51 | Jester45 | is there a way to ignore a processes cpu useage? im running seti@home and i hate how it shows that im using 100% when im "kinda" not |
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| 02:00.20 | Nyle | Jester45, just ignore it |
| 02:00.24 | Nyle | lol |
| 02:00.26 | Jester45 | i cant |
| 02:00.49 | Jester45 | i guess i cant run it on my desktops then... |
| 02:01.15 | Jester45 | cant stand seeing 100% all the time because i cant tell easly when a "real" process is using it |
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| 02:05.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, I fancy you meant this? http://www.instructables.com/id/Wifi-Signal-Strainer-WokFi/ |
| 02:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'tis funny... |
| 02:07.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | Jester45, you can - just substract what top shows you for the seti process |
| 02:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, I just doubt any shop specifically sells parabolic sieves :-/ |
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| 02:10.23 | dewey | good day mates |
| 02:10.44 | Resnick | dewey: Hello |
| 02:10.49 | uski | is there a way to revert to a previous version of a package ? i installed the latest version of lighttpd and mysql with apt-get update/upgrade and i get weird mysql errors and my server is on its knees now |
| 02:10.59 | dewey | okay new kernel in my update but when I install new kernels they do not work for me and my nvidia onboard video card? |
| 02:11.01 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:11.02 | dpkg | well, snapshots is an archive that contains all Debian packages uploaded since 2002, including those removed from the official archives because they were very buggy, unusable, broken, vulnerable or in some way undistributable. Much of 2004 was lost because of harddisk problems. See http://snapshot.debian.net/ for more information. |
| 02:12.19 | jezez | Resnick: yeah it looks fine. what else could cause it |
| 02:12.48 | jezez | Resnick: date gives Sun Jul 27 22:12:17 EDT 2008 |
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| 02:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | dewey, your last XX MB of installed .deb packages are in /var/cache/apt/archives/ and you can install packages from there wit/var/cache/apt/archives/xxx.deb - but you'll have to handle dependencies yourself |
| 02:13.21 | Resnick | jezez: In your systems bios perhaps? |
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| 02:14.30 | daxroc | any one know a solution for nvidia 8 m series brightness ? |
| 02:14.47 | abrotman | fix the monitor? |
| 02:15.24 | daxroc | abrotman: The gpu handles the brightness now |
| 02:15.47 | dewey | CutMeOwnThroat: hmmm I have a working kernel but new ones do not work with nvidia for some reason? |
| 02:16.07 | abrotman | daxroc: apparently not :) |
| 02:16.16 | abrotman | dewey: because they're xen enabled ? |
| 02:16.23 | daxroc | abrotman: which ? |
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| 02:16.29 | dewey | when I try to login to the new kernels I am kicked out to a command line ? |
| 02:16.48 | abrotman | which what? |
| 02:16.59 | daxroc | apparently not ? |
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| 02:17.38 | thasp | Consider setting $PYTHONHOME to <prefix>[:<exec_prefix>] |
| 02:17.44 | thasp | apt has been crippled |
| 02:17.48 | thasp | and this is what she tells me |
| 02:17.53 | thasp | what should I tell her back? |
| 02:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dewey, perhaps you don't have the nvidia kernel-module? That is normally in a separate package - which you can also make using module-assistanc, I think (m-a install nvidia, if I'm not mistaken) |
| 02:19.19 | OBcecado_ | well, i used sgfxi to get nvidia working on latest kernel with sid |
| 02:19.23 | daxroc | wishes nvidia would os drivers ... sigh |
| 02:19.32 | quagga | don't we all |
| 02:19.35 | OBcecado_ | is way recommended ? |
| 02:19.36 | abrotman | wishes people would stop supporting nvidia |
| 02:19.51 | OBcecado_ | is this way recommended ? |
| 02:20.01 | abrotman | thasp: paste all the output |
| 02:20.06 | daxroc | abrotman: give me an alternative with full hw acceleration ? |
| 02:20.19 | quagga | daxroc: fear my intel 950! |
| 02:20.20 | abrotman | intel? ati? |
| 02:20.29 | dewey | CutMeOwnThroat: I tried to install nvidia from cli and it said it was installed |
| 02:20.39 | abrotman | not that ATI is much better .. but they're getting there it seems |
| 02:20.47 | dewey | oh well I will try it later time for food |
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| 02:21.00 | daxroc | ati pi*s poor , intel promising , via getting there ( limited use ) |
| 02:21.03 | thasp | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m772d52b0 |
| 02:21.05 | thasp | thank you |
| 02:21.10 | quagga | i wouldn't touch ati with a 50 quadrillion mile pole. i've never had a good experience. i like intel cards but they're not yet up to speed |
| 02:21.33 | thasp | it changes slightly depending on what I try to grab, but it always ends with that python thing |
| 02:21.39 | quagga | daxroc: ugh, chrome cards are horrible. i have one on my mini-itx box. i wish it was a 950 |
| 02:21.50 | thasp | ATI :( |
| 02:22.04 | abrotman | thasp: did you much with python ? |
| 02:22.14 | daxroc | quagga: Recent update allow for mpeg4 xvmc |
| 02:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | quagga, you could lend me your 50 quadrillion if I find a fixed point to stand on, there's a nice experiment Archimedes suggested :-P |
| 02:22.27 | thasp | abrotman: I tried getting rid of 2.4 to try 2.5 |
| 02:22.32 | thasp | which ended in misery and hell |
| 02:22.33 | abrotman | bad idea |
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| 02:22.37 | thasp | yes |
| 02:22.40 | thasp | yes :( |
| 02:22.47 | thasp | I now know the error of my ways |
| 02:22.51 | thasp | I repent |
| 02:22.55 | thasp | but repentence is not enough |
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| 02:23.52 | abrotman | i'd guess that's what's going on |
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| 02:24.28 | thasp | I know I mucked it up but I am not sure what to do now. it tells me to run apt-get -f install, which returns errors everytime. apt-get remove for anything, turns the python error as well |
| 02:24.29 | ezu | Whats up with /msg dkpg etch |
| 02:24.32 | ezu | er sorry |
| 02:24.46 | abrotman | thasp: tried reinstalling python and/or apt ? |
| 02:24.52 | abrotman | ezu: ? |
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| 02:25.41 | ezu | I am just trying to grab 4.0r4 from the mirrors but nobody seems to have the image or bt |
| 02:25.48 | ezu | I was wondering where to grab it at |
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| 02:26.48 | abrotman | i doubt the images have been prepared yet |
| 02:27.04 | abrotman | it was just released yesterday .. usually takes 3-4 days IIRC |
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| 02:27.13 | pickcoder | the atop patch seems to run ok |
| 02:27.23 | ezu | wow i have bad timing then :) |
| 02:28.03 | ezu | so i will go grab r3 and test with it for a while and then grab r4 when im ready to deploy the server |
| 02:28.11 | ezu | Thank yuou |
| 02:28.13 | pickcoder | wonder why it's not part of the standard patches |
| 02:28.24 | abrotman | ezu: eh .. looks like last time it took two weeks ... i think |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | r3 released 2/17 .. images dated 3/3 |
| 02:29.26 | thasp | abrotman: I tried apt-get upgrade apt |
| 02:29.29 | ezu | thats quite a while |
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| 02:29.39 | thasp | I have not tried reinstalling python, just re-apting it, if that is even a verb |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | apt-get --reinstall install foo |
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| 02:32.04 | tony403 | it was very enjoyable, but my sister felt awkward the whole time |
| 02:32.14 | thasp | demi moore is hot |
| 02:32.19 | thasp | I am watching indecent proposal in the other window |
| 02:32.24 | thasp | abrotman: same error as before |
| 02:32.25 | lymeca | How do I get vi to tell me what line number I'm on in the app? |
| 02:32.29 | tony403 | crap, disregard the last message. was meant for pm |
| 02:32.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | dewey, as first measure, check, what xorg module is used in /etc/X11/xorg.conf - probably nv or nvidia. Change it to 'vesa' to get X back quickly (though with worse performance than with the nvidia driver). Else you should do 'lsmod' and check for the nvidia kernel module and/or try to load it with 'modprobe nvidia' - if it cannot be loaded, that is your problem |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | lymeca: :set ruler |
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| 02:34.33 | abrotman | thasp: i've not seen that before .. it's obviously python specific .. |
| 02:34.40 | thasp | indeed |
| 02:35.00 | thasp | I am afraid going back to gentoo is in order |
| 02:35.04 | thasp | :( |
| 02:35.10 | abrotman | thasp: you could try the debian-apt list or the debian-user list |
| 02:35.13 | gaorlan | hi, i am using debian 'testing'. how to convert the MS .docx file to abiword format? |
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| 02:37.21 | lymeca | abrotman: That didn't work... where sould the numbers be displayed? |
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| 02:37.44 | abrotman | bottom right |
| 02:40.32 | pickcoder | yawns |
| 02:41.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | dondelelcaro, thx for the advice -seems texlife-doc-en is much more extensive than what I know from tetex - (not enough to find that command in it, though)... good to know |
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| 02:43.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, not surprisingly, if T1 defines it... guess there is no golden bridge |
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| 02:45.33 | jmichaelx | i did a net install on an old P2 laptop several weeks ago. all went well, and it is working great, but i do have one strange issue. i am primarily using xfce4, and when using xfterm, it has no title bar or border. the same goes also for aterm. (xterm works fine.) would anyone know how to correct this? |
| 02:46.13 | infotron | jmichaelx: try adding a new user, login as that user and see if the issue remains |
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| 02:46.49 | jmichaelx | infotron: that sounds strange, but i will try it, and report back in a few minutes |
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| 02:47.48 | infotron | jmichaelx: if it's profile related, the new user will not see the issue. |
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| 02:53.21 | jmichaelx | infotron: ok, i added a new user, but the issue remains when i log-in with the newly created username |
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| 02:55.37 | jmichaelx | i should also have mentioned that i installed lenny on this laptop |
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| 03:01.18 | gene2 | does anyone here know udev very well? |
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| 03:02.59 | gene2 | I'm trying to figure out how this rule works IMPORT{program}="dvb_device_name --export %k" ENV{DVB_ADAPTER}=="?*", ENV{DVB_DEV}=="?*", NAME="dvb/adapter$env{DVB_ADAPTER}/$env{DVB_NAME}" |
| 03:03.51 | gene2 | I'd like to start creating dvb adapter not from 0 (adapter0, 1,2...) but from like 5 |
| 03:03.51 | unixSnob_ | damn sources.list problems! i always find myself getting this 'cannot stat source' crap |
| 03:04.21 | unixSnob_ | any reason I would have trouble getting amd64 packages from ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu? |
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| 03:05.10 | unixSnob_ | the error i get is: /apt/lists/ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu_linux_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 03:05.26 | jmichaelx | i am an on-again off-again student at indiana.edu |
| 03:06.32 | unixSnob_ | ah.. so i'm not getting service from indiana because you're on break? xD |
| 03:06.41 | gaorlan | hi, i am using debian 'testing'. how to convert the MS .docx file to abiword format? |
| 03:08.11 | mmlj4 | will abiword open it? |
| 03:08.56 | jmichaelx | unixSnob_: no, but i will stop in at IT in the morning and give them hell for you |
| 03:09.59 | unixSnob | lol.. thanks jmichaelx.. but we better make sure the problem isn't my side first :) |
| 03:10.26 | gaorlan | mmlj4: no |
| 03:11.17 | jmichaelx | unixSnob: na, i have friends who work there. i promise you, they deserve to be given hell on a regular basis |
| 03:12.39 | unixSnob | jmichaelx: alright then... give 'em hell for me! xD |
| 03:12.56 | jmichaelx | gladly :) |
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| 03:14.00 | mmlj4 | gaorlan: does openoffice? |
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| 03:15.33 | gaorlan | mmlj4: i have put the q to #oo but the answer is NO. |
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| 03:16.07 | vilemaxim | I installed slapd and there doesn't seem to have created the base entries. I've set up lopendap servers before and never remember running into this problem. I'm login phpldapadmin and all I see is dc=example,dc=com This base entry does not exist.Create it? Can anyone give me a clue what I did wrong? |
| 03:16.49 | Nyle | which IM client best supports file transfers using AIM? |
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| 03:16.59 | Nyle | I am using Kopete right now, and I can't fucking figure out how |
| 03:17.06 | vilemaxim | Nyle: I use pidgin without problems |
| 03:17.12 | Nyle | hm |
| 03:17.17 | Nyle | I might have to start using it man :( |
| 03:17.23 | Nyle | I am a KDE guy all the way |
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| 03:17.42 | vilemaxim | Nyle: you mean qt guy it apears |
| 03:17.49 | Nyle | yes yes |
| 03:17.51 | Nyle | gtk no no |
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| 03:18.32 | vilemaxim | Nyle: I can understand staying away for gnome apps, but I don't get staying away for gtk |
| 03:19.00 | pickcoder | gaorlan: it doesn't appear that OO.org supports docx yet |
| 03:19.07 | WormFood | was something done in sid lately to cause scim to stop working with iceape? |
| 03:19.18 | pickcoder | 3.0 supposedly supports Office 2007 OpenXML formats |
| 03:19.39 | vilemaxim | gaorlan: thiere is support for docx... let me see if I can dig it up |
| 03:19.40 | WormFood | it is frustrating as hell to not be able to type in iceape |
| 03:20.34 | infotron | !lart iceape |
| 03:20.34 | dpkg | runs at iceape with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut |
| 03:21.07 | WormFood | I just want it to fuckin' work |
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| 03:21.26 | WormFood | I have a message for iceape...."å±ä½ " |
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| 03:22.08 | quentusrex | is there a way for debian to auto configure the video settings for an HDTV connected over HDMI through an nvidia 7100 chipset? |
| 03:22.25 | vilemaxim | gaorlan: I cannot find it right now.. but there is an openoffice spin off that can do it. I'm just not sure if it is only for windows. Cannot find link right now anyway |
| 03:23.13 | gaorlan | vilemaxim: thks for the effort. let me know when you find it. |
| 03:23.39 | quentusrex | Anyone? |
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| 03:24.23 | wols | only if the HDMI thing uses EDID |
| 03:24.28 | wols | then it can work |
| 03:24.39 | Resnick | Alright. Time for me to turn in I think. Thanks for the help all. |
| 03:24.44 | wols | but my guess is, you need nvidia drivers and not nv |
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| 03:25.00 | quentusrex | thanks for the response wols |
| 03:25.17 | quentusrex | I'm planning on using the nvidia drivers |
| 03:25.32 | quentusrex | What is in the EDID file? |
| 03:25.41 | wols | it's no file |
| 03:25.52 | pickcoder | good thing to know. I've considerd building a blu-ray system for my DLP set. |
| 03:26.01 | wols | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EDID |
| 03:26.24 | wols | pickcoder: is there yet a player that can play blu ray under linux? |
| 03:26.42 | wols | especially blu ray with all its JVM and other assorted nastiness |
| 03:26.53 | pickcoder | hm |
| 03:26.58 | pickcoder | you know I never thought about that |
| 03:27.11 | unixSnob_ | Anyone know what my problem is? http://rafb.net/p/uPLdIv24.html <- trying to install samba |
| 03:27.18 | pickcoder | just saw the Lite-on's for like $130 and a light bulb came on |
| 03:27.28 | wols | remember how long it took for proper DVD support under linux, ie, chapters, viewing angles and the like, blu ray is much worse |
| 03:27.37 | pickcoder | considering players are like $700 still |
| 03:27.47 | wols | PS3 is cheaper |
| 03:28.00 | pickcoder | until you pay $200 for the remote |
| 03:28.14 | wols | gold plated remote? |
| 03:28.17 | vilemaxim | gaorlan: I may be misremembering it now. I think I was thinking of OxygenOffice which is a converter |
| 03:28.21 | unixSnob | seems i can install other things.. perhaps samba is simply broken on the amd64 platform |
| 03:28.44 | pickcoder | it should be... |
| 03:28.49 | vilemaxim | gaorlan: http://www.oooninja.com/2008/02/word-2007-docx-converter-oxygenoffice.html if that helps |
| 03:28.55 | pickcoder | and it should pick up the kids' toys too |
| 03:29.01 | wols | pickcoder: a remote costs 24.99, a PS3 399,- |
| 03:29.04 | wols | amazon both |
| 03:29.18 | gene2 | does anyone here know udev very well? |
| 03:29.19 | gene2 | I'm trying to figure out how this rule works IMPORT{program}="dvb_device_name --export %k" ENV{DVB_ADAPTER}=="?*", ENV{DVB_DEV}=="?*", NAME="dvb/adapter$env{DVB_ADAPTER}/$env{DVB_NAME}" |
| 03:29.24 | gene2 | I'd like to start creating dvb adapter not from 0 (adapter0, 1,2...) but from like 5 |
| 03:29.48 | pickcoder | wols: maybe it's the DVD remote for the PS2 I'm thinking about |
| 03:30.10 | wols | gene2: samba is not broken |
| 03:30.19 | vilemaxim | so no ldap gurus around tonight huh? |
| 03:30.22 | pickcoder | *shrug* I don't keep up with consoles.. I have a PS2 that has an inch of dust on it. |
| 03:31.18 | wols | gene2: look at the "NAME= part |
| 03:31.47 | unixSnob | i think I see my problem.. aptitude says some packages were "held back".. not sure why, but I'm trying to upgrade those |
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| 03:32.36 | se7en | how would i use a irssi +screen+proxy on a remote server and then do ssh -R [bind_address:]port:host:hostport <-- i don't understand the syntax |
| 03:32.55 | quentusrex | wols, will debian auto configure the hdmi display? if it is the only connected monitor? |
| 03:33.04 | wols | se7en: what is tha ssh forward for? |
| 03:33.17 | wols | quentusrex: I told you |
| 03:33.21 | vilemaxim | unixSnob you having good luck with lenny? I'm considering trying it out on one of My servers |
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| 03:33.32 | quentusrex | it does use EDID |
| 03:33.37 | quentusrex | so it will auto configure? |
| 03:34.16 | wols | it should |
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| 03:34.32 | wols | it's a feature of nvidia drivers and those are proprietary. ask nvidia |
| 03:34.40 | unixSnob | vilemaxim: lenny is just the name i gave the box (it's a lenovo). It's gone pretty smooth, with the exception of the current gotcha |
| 03:34.57 | wols | !held back |
| 03:34.57 | dpkg | i guess kept back is when packages have not been upgraded even though newer versions are available. This happens if dependencies cannot be resolved, packages are on hold or you used "upgrade" not "dist-upgrade" and new packages need to be installed. To investigate, "apt-get -s install <kept-package>". Also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/69 Ask me about <dist-upgrade>. |
| 03:34.59 | quentusrex | what about sound? |
| 03:35.04 | wols | unixSnob: it's not your problem btw |
| 03:35.23 | wols | again: nvidia, not debian |
| 03:35.24 | htmlol | guys |
| 03:35.26 | wols | unlikely imho |
| 03:35.30 | internat | how do i change locales so that it only has a few of them rather then having to generage every god damm one each time locales gets updated? |
| 03:35.36 | htmlol | how can I tell where my soundcard is in /dev ? |
| 03:35.39 | wols | !tell internat about locales |
| 03:35.54 | se7en | wols: i would like to use irssi localy because of lag ... so i told irssi proxy to use 5999 for freenode than i use ssh -R 5999 ??? and localy i start irssi /connect localhost 5999 |
| 03:35.56 | htmlol | like, my souncard is /dev/what ? |
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| 03:36.05 | gene2 | wols: I see the name part |
| 03:36.21 | gene2 | but I cannot figure out if it I can use something like +5 |
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| 03:36.30 | wyleu | ! firefox java |
| 03:36.30 | dpkg | To install a Java plugin in your browsers on Debian 4 or greater, install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin. With konqueror, you may hit #327582, or only available for i386 (not for amd64). it is in non-free, ask me about <non-free>, or ask me about <gcjwebplugin> for a free alternative |
| 03:36.39 | beardy | internat: You only regenerate the ones you've chose to generate, AFAIK. |
| 03:36.58 | unixSnob | wols: i suspect i had something to do with it. I'm on a lousy internet connection that kept getting interrupted during an upgrade. After so many resumptions and failed connections, it gave up. |
| 03:37.05 | gene2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:37.08 | internat | yeah i had it set to include ALL locales.. so ever time it upgrades it regeneratest hem all |
| 03:37.16 | gene2 | where does the variable $env come from? |
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| 03:37.25 | pickcoder | gene2: the environment |
| 03:37.37 | wyleu | ! amd64 |
| 03:37.37 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 03:37.38 | gene2 | so I should be able to echo that one |
| 03:37.50 | beardy | internat: Well, unset it then, why would you want all of them? |
| 03:37.53 | wols | unixSnob: the problem is the old pacakge which is already installed |
| 03:38.01 | htmlol | anyone? noone knows where my soundcard is in /dev ? :/ |
| 03:38.07 | pickcoder | gene2; not if it's programmatically set inside a script |
| 03:38.25 | pickcoder | if it's not exported to the user , then it's a runtime setting |
| 03:38.42 | gene2 | that is the thing I don't get it how it pulls it in |
| 03:38.55 | gene2 | this udev rule uses this dvb_device_name binary |
| 03:39.49 | internat | beardy: i dont, that was my point. i think when i set the box up i wasnt paying attention and chose all :) ive changed it now |
| 03:39.53 | gene2 | IMPORT{program}="dvb_device_name --export %k" |
| 03:39.53 | gene2 | ENV{DVB_ADAPTER}=="?*", |
| 03:40.01 | unixSnob_ | why does the infobot discourage amd64? |
| 03:40.04 | beardy | internat: Ok. |
| 03:40.06 | wyleu | I'm getting very confused trying to run java in iceweasel, I'm confused to the point of wondering which architecture I'm running on ( it's that late I've been doing this for sometime now) how do I indentify what debian believes it's architecture is.? |
| 03:40.10 | gene2 | "?*: any idea how that works? |
| 03:40.13 | gene2 | err |
| 03:40.19 | gene2 | "?*" how does that work? |
| 03:40.36 | LemensTS | wyel /proc/version i think |
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| 03:41.05 | wols | wyleu: dpkg --architecture |
| 03:41.23 | wols | LemensTS: you can run a adm64 kernel when your arch is i386 so that's not really an indicator |
| 03:41.59 | Tramp | se7en: you most probably don't want -R ... but -L 5999:localhost:5999 (provided your proxy on the remote side binds to localhost and I understand correctly, what you are trying to do) |
| 03:42.31 | wyleu | dpkg --architecture .... dpkg: unknown option --architecture |
| 03:42.31 | dpkg | wyleu: i don't know |
| 03:43.06 | wyleu | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:43.17 | wols | wyleu: dpkg-architecture then |
| 03:43.27 | se7en | Tramp: that command i would run localy? |
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| 03:44.32 | Tramp | se7en: yes ssh -L ... user@server_with_procy. Then, locally, connect the client to 5999 to have the traffic forwarded through the tunnel to the proxy |
| 03:44.43 | pickcoder | unixSnob: it's a waste if you aren't actually going to use the 64-bit environment |
| 03:44.48 | wyleu | dpkg-architecture |
| 03:45.00 | wyleu | dpkg architecture |
| 03:45.00 | dpkg | architecture is probably a word for a design concept, it can be applied to software and hardware. In the common sense, it is often used as a synonym for "processor type", although that's not quite correct. |
| 03:45.16 | pickcoder | not all of the packages have been ported to 64-bit |
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| 03:45.32 | LemensTS | dpkg kernel |
| 03:45.34 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.26, snapshot: 2.6.26-git16, 2.4: 2.4.36.6, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.26-rc8-mm1 |
| 03:46.24 | wyleu | ....rtfm it's actually dpkg-architecture |
| 03:46.40 | wyleu | dpkg --print-architecture |
| 03:46.40 | dpkg | wyleu: no idea |
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| 03:47.00 | unixSnob | pickcoder: i installed the amd64 version because i thought it would give me better performance. Guess i'll create a 32-bit vbox if i need a 32bit app |
| 03:47.01 | wyleu | it's actully dpkg --print-architecture |
| 03:47.07 | Nyle | lemmywinks |
| 03:47.09 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:47.12 | Nyle | oops wrong channel |
| 03:47.24 | wols | unixSnob: don't |
| 03:47.42 | pickcoder | unixSnob: you don't need a 32-bit virtual box.. there are 32-bit compat libs installed for userland |
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| 03:48.37 | unixSnob | ah, okay, then what's the disadvantage to running a 64-bit kernel? Is there any? |
| 03:48.59 | wols | can be slower |
| 03:49.01 | wyleu | so what then produces a no installation candidate message from apt-get.? Everything I've read points to this being a AMD64 problem but I'm now convinced i'm on i386? |
| 03:49.01 | ryan_ | se7en, i did the same thing as you with a compressed ssh tunnel out of my school's firewall to my dedicated server. they blocked a lot of decient sites i wanted to get to |
| 03:49.28 | wols | !tell wyleu about errors |
| 03:49.49 | wyleu | !tell wyleu about errors |
| 03:50.02 | ryan_ | se7en, worked great and was faster sometimes because the remote server was 50mbit with 100 burstable so it could send the pages fast |
| 03:51.01 | ryan_ | wyleu, it can happen when your trying to install a package that doesnt exist but is referanced by a nother package |
| 03:51.40 | wyleu | That's exactly what it say's I'm busy trying to find how to post the error message I got without pasting it into this chat |
| 03:51.43 | ryan_ | i *think* ubuntu does it with w32codecs but im not sure. i know it does with libdvdcss |
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| 03:51.53 | ryan_ | pastebin |
| 03:52.21 | wols | !pastebin |
| 03:52.21 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 03:53.25 | wyleu | http://paste.lisp.org/display/64339 |
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| 03:55.49 | wyleu | I can see the packages in syoptics but they have no details next to them and produce http://paste.lisp.org/display/64340 |
| 03:56.09 | wols | wyleu: what debian version? |
| 03:56.42 | wyleu | i'm pretty sure it's etch but a command that could tell me would be very greatfully received |
| 03:57.05 | wols | !version |
| 03:57.06 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 03:57.13 | wyleu | !version |
| 03:57.15 | wols | dpkg -l libc6 one is best |
| 03:57.15 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 one is best |
| 03:57.24 | wols | dpkg: shut up! |
| 03:57.24 | dpkg | get lost, jerkoff |
| 03:57.38 | Nyle | heh |
| 03:58.03 | Jester45 | lol |
| 03:58.30 | wyleu | Linux dellap 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 22:22:11 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux; sorry about the paste. |
| 03:58.42 | wols | wyleu: that's not your debian version |
| 03:59.12 | wyleu | sorry that's uname -a |
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| 03:59.30 | Jester45 | i should take a screenshot of this, i have a virtual XP with seamlessrdp displaying the startbar on buttom of my screen the top has my dock and above the XP start bar is my remote machine's conky window |
| 04:00.15 | Jester45 | i have ie running from windows along with amarok from the remote machine |
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| 04:00.27 | Nyle | enouf, ping |
| 04:00.34 | wols | wyleu: well? |
| 04:00.37 | wyleu | http://paste.lisp.org/display/64340#1 |
| 04:00.46 | Jester45 | while the local machine is openbox so i got like every gui possible |
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| 04:01.04 | wols | it's etch. java6 is only available via backports.org. etch itself has no java6 |
| 04:01.24 | s3a | the debian live project (does their live cd also install or just run as a live cd?) |
| 04:01.25 | wyleu | I believe I have bckports in my sources.list... |
| 04:01.34 | wols | s3a: only runs as one |
| 04:01.35 | enouf | Nyle: yo pongo |
| 04:01.53 | wols | wyleu: even if you do it won't install from it unless you request it usually |
| 04:01.55 | s3a | wols: :( o thx for telling me |
| 04:02.36 | wols | wyleu: and it's of course non-free too |
| 04:02.52 | wyleu | http://paste.lisp.org/display/64340#2 |
| 04:03.21 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/sun-java6-plugin |
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| 04:03.47 | wyleu | So the deb http://www.backports.org line isn't actually doing anything? |
| 04:03.56 | JordiGH | Frozen! Do we know the codename for the next release? |
| 04:04.04 | JordiGH | I can't see it in the freeze announcement. |
| 04:04.27 | wols | it is. read backports.org instructions more carefully |
| 04:05.17 | wyleu | I've seem the page you point to several times, but I just don't know how to get synoptics or indeed apt-get to 'connect' to it.Sorry to be thick ( more likely tired) where are the instructions I should read? |
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| 04:05.43 | JordiGH | !lenny |
| 04:05.43 | dpkg | somebody said lenny was the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. <testing>, or <lenny status> |
| 04:05.50 | beardy | !sources.list |
| 04:05.50 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 04:06.04 | JordiGH | Oops, sorry. I meant to /msg dpkg about that one. |
| 04:06.12 | JordiGH | wonders who chooses the codenames. |
| 04:06.15 | fisxoj | hallo, can someone help me get ardour running on testing? Audacity is being sucky.... |
| 04:06.24 | jmichaelx | what will testing be called after lenny goes stable? |
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| 04:06.45 | wyleu | I'll do and read some more, thanks for the help. I'm demoing this ( hopefully) to four local councillors in about 41/2 hours |
| 04:06.57 | JordiGH | jmichaelx: I'm looking for an announcement... I can't find one. I think lenny's name was announced when etch was frozen. |
| 04:07.08 | wyleu | !sources.list |
| 04:07.08 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 04:07.11 | jmichaelx | ahh, that is probably so |
| 04:07.19 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 04:07.19 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 04:07.46 | beardy | You can also scroll up.. |
| 04:07.52 | JordiGH | likes freeze time, looks at RC bugs. |
| 04:08.11 | jmichaelx | i did a net install on an old P2 laptop several weeks ago. all went well, and it is working great, but i do have one strange issue. i am primarily using xfce4, and when using xfterm, it has no title bar or border. the same goes also for aterm. (xterm works fine.) would anyone know how to correct this? |
| 04:08.23 | jmichaelx | (using lenny) |
| 04:09.17 | JordiGH | jmichaelx: Looks like you aren't running a window manager... what happens if you type "xfwm &" at a terminal? |
| 04:09.32 | JordiGH | Oh, wait, only some terminals. Disregard. |
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| 04:09.52 | jmichaelx | JordiGH: i will try that.... but nothing seems to be affected besides xfterm and aterm.... |
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| 04:11.23 | jmichaelx | JordiGH: of all things, it says 'xfwm not found' |
| 04:11.36 | JordiGH | xfwm4_ |
| 04:11.37 | JordiGH | ? |
| 04:11.43 | jmichaelx | hmm |
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| 04:12.40 | Jester45 | the command is xfwm4 |
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| 04:13.19 | jmichaelx | ok, yeah, i typed xfwm4 in a terminal, but i get the error 'cannot open display' |
| 04:13.46 | JordiGH | wtf |
| 04:14.13 | JordiGH | Does the same happen with xeyes? |
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| 04:14.59 | Jester45 | is X started? |
| 04:15.08 | veoveo | Hello everyone |
| 04:15.14 | JordiGH | It must be; he's typing that in xterms |
| 04:15.16 | Jester45 | hello veoveo |
| 04:15.29 | Jester45 | well... i didnt know it was an xterm |
| 04:15.39 | jmichaelx | JordiGH: the mistake i made was running 'xfwm' as root. when i entered it as user, it just told me that another window manager is already running (namely xfwm) |
| 04:15.42 | veoveo | I was wondering is there a way to ban an IP if she fail to login by ssl 10times in a row for exemple ? |
| 04:15.45 | jmichaelx | xfwm4* |
| 04:16.00 | quagga | if the linux kernel on bootup says "this kernel requires a 64-bit processor" and you know you have a 64-bit processor the kernel doesn't know about, is there a way to force it to continue to boot? |
| 04:16.14 | Jester45 | yes veoveo i read it somewhere but dont remember |
| 04:16.26 | hoxu | veoveo, fail2ban maybe |
| 04:16.46 | jmichaelx | so, the issue i am having with the titlebar, etc, with xfterm does not appear to be due to xfwm4 not running |
| 04:16.51 | Jester45 | jmichaelx, run it as xfwm4 --replace |
| 04:16.59 | JordiGH | jmichaelx: Why were you running anything as root? |
| 04:17.02 | Jester45 | it will replace the current wm |
| 04:17.08 | Wyzard | quagga: What kind of processor? |
| 04:17.12 | veoveo | is it an option in fail2ban? have to look more maybe, thx hoxu |
| 04:17.22 | quagga | Wyzard: an intel atom |
| 04:17.26 | jmichaelx | JordiGH: i wasn't running anything as root. i happened to be logged in as root in the terminal |
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| 04:17.55 | aFlag | hi, has anyone here tried to run etch's systemtap? |
| 04:17.56 | Jester45 | jmichaelx, that would be running it as root unless you used su/sudo |
| 04:18.06 | aFlag | it's not working even for simple examples |
| 04:18.45 | jmichaelx | yes, i was logged in a root using 'su -', and had not yet exited. so what? |
| 04:18.55 | Wyzard | quagga: I'd expect that the kernel just checks the CPU's feature flags, and not that it has to have a whitelist of all compatible processors in existence |
| 04:19.07 | jmichaelx | but, the issue is not tha xfwm4 is not running. |
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| 04:20.21 | quagga | Wyzard: aye. unfortunately i've never been able to decode what cpuflags actually mean |
| 04:20.24 | jmichaelx | this old laptop has a neomagic video adaptor... i am somewhat guessing that this is some weird issue with that |
| 04:20.40 | JordiGH | advocates total replacement of su with sudo. |
| 04:20.47 | Nyle | yes |
| 04:20.51 | Nyle | but su has its uses too |
| 04:21.03 | Jester45 | jmichaelx, if you su - then run a command your running it as root and you shouldnt run your X with root |
| 04:21.03 | JordiGH | Nyle: sudo -i does it all. |
| 04:21.08 | Nyle | no. |
| 04:21.15 | jmichaelx | i get to where i resent sudo over time. it has it's place, but i hate being forced into it. |
| 04:21.19 | JordiGH | su someotheruser - ? |
| 04:21.32 | jmichaelx | Jester45: again, i was NOT running my X as root |
| 04:22.08 | JordiGH | Nyle: What's the use of su you're thinking of? |
| 04:22.25 | Nyle | fucking. |
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| 04:22.30 | Jester45 | lol |
| 04:22.53 | JyZyXEL | anyone know how to make tshark only print the application layer |
| 04:23.01 | JordiGH | sudo fuck --target Nyle |
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| 04:23.05 | JyZyXEL | tcp data |
| 04:24.00 | wyleu | 3. All backports are deactivated by default. If you want to install something from backports run: Says it all really, in two days of searching I didn't find that. Thanks folks |
| 04:24.01 | wyleu | apt-get -t etch-backports install âpackageâ |
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| 04:25.37 | JordiGH | !info libacme-brainfck-perl |
| 04:25.42 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:25.51 | Nyle | By giving all user accounts user access there is no need to gain root access because all user accounts have already been effectively given root access through sudo. |
| 04:26.01 | Nyle | Why the hell would you bother trying to brute force the root password when you can simply type "sudo passwd root" and change it to anything you wish? |
| 04:26.01 | dpkg | libacme-brainfck-perl: (Embed Brainf*ck in your perl code), section interpreters, is optional. Version: 1.1.1 (sid), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 92 kB |
| 04:26.07 | Nyle | sudo is a hype |
| 04:26.09 | JordiGH | Uh, wtf, why would you make all accounts sudoers? |
| 04:26.12 | Nyle | sure it has good things |
| 04:26.20 | Nyle | JordiGH, look towards #ubuntu |
| 04:26.23 | Nyle | retards. |
| 04:26.35 | JordiGH | Nyle: Doesn't Ubuntu only make the first account a sudoer? |
| 04:26.35 | Nyle | do you disagree with my title for them? |
| 04:26.36 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:26.43 | Nyle | not afaik |
| 04:26.49 | Nyle | then again I'm not an ubuntu'er |
| 04:26.59 | Jester45 | becuse you can limit what a sudoer can do. like if they needed to run 1 curtain command as root. |
| 04:27.11 | JyZyXEL | isn't there anyone who knows how to use tshark |
| 04:27.20 | Nyle | Jester45, of course |
| 04:27.23 | Nyle | you can do anything |
| 04:27.32 | Nyle | but sudo is no more secure than su in a lot of ways |
| 04:27.41 | Nyle | inherently, sudo is about as insecure as su |
| 04:27.42 | Jester45 | you can set each user a limited or unlimited number of commands |
| 04:27.53 | Nyle | with some frills... |
| 04:27.56 | Jester45 | im not saying secure or not |
| 04:27.59 | Nyle | I'm all for sudo |
| 04:28.02 | JordiGH | sudo is more convenient than su for a lot of things. |
| 04:28.03 | Nyle | don't get me wrong |
| 04:28.10 | Nyle | I am avid fan and I use it, but I don't like to hear shit about su |
| 04:28.11 | Nyle | ;) |
| 04:28.32 | Jester45 | im just saying you dont have to give your root password away if a user needs to run a simple command as root |
| 04:28.48 | JordiGH | sudo makes a lot of sense in multiadmin machines. Instead of keeping track who does or doesn't know the admin password, you just edit the sudoer file. |
| 04:28.52 | Nyle | user shouldn't run commands as root |
| 04:28.53 | Nyle | only I should |
| 04:28.56 | Nyle | fuck users |
| 04:29.05 | Nyle | users don't need root for anything |
| 04:29.12 | JordiGH | setuid root? |
| 04:29.18 | Nyle | if they need root stuff, let em contact me |
| 04:29.20 | Nyle | I don't trust anyone. |
| 04:29.33 | quagga | hmm, apparently the processor in here isn't 64-bit. i guess only the silverthorne chips are 64-bit. that stinks |
| 04:30.10 | Jester45 | Nyle, i had to give a lower admin sudo writes to add users because i didnt feel like adding a new user every day |
| 04:30.56 | jmichaelx | if debian ever goes the way of ubuntu with this sudo business, i'll be compelled to switch back to slackware or something |
| 04:31.01 | Jester45 | i limited them to only a few commands to get the user setup but they chouldnt do a nything else |
| 04:31.23 | JordiGH | Debian already has an option to not set up a root account during install. I use it. |
| 04:31.42 | Jester45 | offloaded work from me to them |
| 04:31.55 | Jester45 | doesnt ubuntu has an option for the opposite |
| 04:32.07 | Jester45 | to use su over sudo |
| 04:32.31 | jmichaelx | JordiGH: well, that option is fine. i just don't want to be forced that way. that is a fine way to go if you are in a situation were you are having to manage a number of users, but for me and my home network, no thanks |
| 04:32.59 | Nyle | debian already does |
| 04:33.02 | Jester45 | you could allways switch |
| 04:33.05 | JordiGH | jmichaelx: *shrug* I like sudo. I think it protects me from myself. :P |
| 04:33.15 | Nyle | how many times have you ran the debian installer? |
| 04:33.19 | Jester45 | not that hard passwd root and remove sudo |
| 04:33.22 | Nyle | have you ever tried any other debconf priorities? |
| 04:33.23 | jmichaelx | lol JordiGH, maybe so. call me wreckless. |
| 04:33.24 | JordiGH | Jester45: sudo passwd root to change from sudo to su (and wipe the suoders file). |
| 04:33.31 | Nyle | debian has an option to disable root and enable sudo |
| 04:33.41 | Nyle | upon the installer options |
| 04:34.39 | Nyle | but.. debian doesn't force you |
| 04:35.15 | jmichaelx | that is what i like |
| 04:35.16 | JordiGH | Yeah, Debian is more easily tweakable than Ubuntu. That's why I'm here. |
| 04:35.24 | jmichaelx | same here |
| 04:35.35 | Nyle | I use debian because it gets my penis hard |
| 04:35.42 | Nyle | no other distribution has ever done that to me |
| 04:35.42 | Jester45 | every distro has its pros and cons |
| 04:35.49 | Nyle | so I stick with debian |
| 04:35.55 | JordiGH | DEBIAN HAS NO CONS, INFIDEL! |
| 04:36.00 | JordiGH | tars and feathers Jester45 |
| 04:36.00 | Nyle | if debian was a chic, I'd do things to it, you have no idea |
| 04:36.02 | jmichaelx | here here |
| 04:36.09 | Nyle | the things I would eat out of Debian's ass... |
| 04:36.13 | Nyle | mmm mmm mmm |
| 04:36.35 | pickcoder | that's just mental |
| 04:36.41 | Nyle | lol |
| 04:37.11 | Nyle | pickcoder, not into the kinky shit I see ;) |
| 04:37.17 | gn00b | what burning software will burn a *.img file? |
| 04:37.30 | Nyle | I use k3b, but probably cdrecord? |
| 04:37.31 | pickcoder | gn00b: depends on what .img is |
| 04:37.38 | Nyle | true |
| 04:37.39 | pickcoder | gn00b: run file <file.img> |
| 04:37.47 | pickcoder | see what it really is |
| 04:37.54 | Jester45 | .img is just part of the name in linux |
| 04:38.18 | quagga | tars and gzips JordiGH |
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| 04:38.59 | gn00b | data |
| 04:39.01 | unixSnob | i upgrade the kernel, and my grub menu gets trashed |
| 04:39.02 | JordiGH | Is it easy to extract the mp3 from flv? |
| 04:39.09 | JordiGH | Or do I have to transcode? |
| 04:39.22 | Nyle | JordiGH, google |
| 04:39.30 | Nyle | there are some tools in linux that you easily do that with |
| 04:39.32 | extor | Anyone heard good things about Endian firewall, or used it? |
| 04:39.35 | Nyle | I'm not sure what they are called though |
| 04:39.36 | infotron | unixSnob: trashed, as in you didn't heed the automagic section warning? |
| 04:39.39 | Nyle | something like flvtomp3 |
| 04:39.41 | Nyle | something |
| 04:39.47 | pickcoder | gn00b: gee.. that's helpful. Any of the burner programs should do it, if it's a CD image |
| 04:41.10 | unixSnob | infotron: perhaps... i didn't see a warning that it would happen |
| 04:41.52 | Ltl | Q. I'm running Etch, is java 5 the highest version available via repo's? [backports is enabled] |
| 04:42.18 | Nyle | java6 |
| 04:42.21 | Nyle | well on etch yes |
| 04:42.28 | infotron | unixSnob: search AUTOMAGIC in the boot menu |
| 04:42.32 | JordiGH | Hm. |
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| 04:42.38 | Ltl | Nyle: ok, thanks man. |
| 04:42.42 | JordiGH | tries flvtool2 |
| 04:43.39 | Nyle | hey pickcoder |
| 04:44.26 | Nyle | ok |
| 04:46.12 | unixSnob | infotron: ah, so I should have added my other operating systems /after/ the ###END debian automagic... |
| 04:49.55 | infotron | unixSnob: or before, depend on order preference. but you can set that with other values at the top too |
| 04:50.36 | JordiGH | unixSnob: What else do you boot, curious? |
| 04:50.47 | infotron | infadelOS ;) |
| 04:50.47 | unixSnob | JordiGH: osx |
| 04:51.03 | infotron | even better. 8) |
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| 04:52.43 | quagga | debhelper: if you could make me a sandwich, that'd be most helpfull thanks |
| 04:52.44 | infotron | attempts to debug this tftp issue *@$*%@$fscking%$*@$*( |
| 04:52.52 | JordiGH | unixSnob: Wow, you call yourself unixSnob and you use Mac OS X? I find it be a very un-unixlike Unix. You disagree? |
| 04:53.20 | unixSnob | JordiGH: OS X is UNIX, AFAIK |
| 04:53.34 | quagga | unixSnob: only on intel macintoshes |
| 04:53.36 | unixSnob | debian is not unix |
| 04:53.44 | quagga | however, that's probably a topic for offtopic :) |
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| 04:54.09 | Nyle | osx is darwin, bsd based |
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| 04:54.21 | unixSnob | right... and BSD is UNIX |
| 04:54.22 | infotron | boo hoo. my teddy bear isn't unix based. |
| 04:54.23 | JordiGH | unixSnob: It is certified Unix, but it feels very un-unix to me. Just personal opinion. And yeah, offtopic. |
| 04:54.52 | quagga | i'm just trying to drum up support for offtopic. only one person has said anything in there all day |
| 04:55.00 | unixSnob | "unix-LikeSnob" would be a nick too long |
| 04:55.46 | pickcoder | l8r all |
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| 04:55.53 | Nyle | g'nite |
| 04:56.12 | infotron | quagga: and then we can talk about not so stubby areas |
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| 04:56.46 | JordiGH | I thought a unixSnob would be a more BSD-like advocate. But hell, I feel more at home in OpenBSD than I do in Darwin. |
| 04:56.56 | quagga | like how its 1 am on my birthday and i'm on irc in the debian channel ... *cough* |
| 04:57.02 | JordiGH | !birthday |
| 04:57.02 | dpkg | The Debian Project was founded by Ian Murdock on August the 16th, 1993. Happy Thirteenth Birthday!, or http://pix.reactionnetworks.com/08_16_03_Debian_Turns_10_Years_Old/640/ http://tomas.ogren.pp.se/gallery/Debian-10 http://ashaman.plus.com/butlershousealbum/debpart |
| 04:57.18 | JordiGH | Oops, wrong day. |
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| 04:57.52 | quagga | and that is out of date anyway |
| 04:58.12 | quagga | as shouldn't the 14th birthday have passed and coming up on 15 |
| 04:58.55 | quagga | dpkg: someone has to update your ntpd! |
| 04:58.55 | dpkg | quagga: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 04:59.28 | Jester45 | is it possible to make the panel smaller than 25 |
| 04:59.35 | JordiGH | Do BSD hardcore people feel at home in Darwin? I bet bash-by-default pisses them off too. :P |
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| 05:00.08 | Jester45 | lol i got this BSD troll good one time |
| 05:00.08 | quagga | i pretty much always set my shell to zsh no matter what the OS is |
| 05:00.14 | JordiGH | Jester45: How? |
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| 05:00.30 | infotron | stabs 00:e0:c5:68:ae:a1 |
| 05:00.52 | Jester45 | he said linux is like "here is a workaround untill we fix it" and BSD is "here is THE fix" |
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| 05:01.15 | JordiGH | What, gcc? |
| 05:01.16 | infotron | untill isn't a word, but until is. |
| 05:01.37 | Jester45 | and i said the other thing BSD says is "well we dont know a good way to fix it so we just wont do it" |
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| 05:02.04 | Jester45 | i know you will bash me for it |
| 05:02.26 | Jester45 | but i dont like how much hardware support BSD lacks |
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| 05:02.46 | Jester45 | because they wont/cant include sertain softwares |
| 05:02.51 | JordiGH | I really applaud OpenBSD's bloblessness efforts. |
| 05:03.26 | Jester45 | like iceweasel, im fine with the change it just looks funny |
| 05:03.34 | Jester45 | well |
| 05:03.49 | Jester45 | not looks... |
| 05:04.03 | quagga | i think that was the point |
| 05:04.15 | Jester45 | just how the debian people were like well... we cant have fire so lets to do ice |
| 05:04.20 | unixSnob | wols: do you think if I uninstall samba, and then attempt to install samba-amd64, that will work? |
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| 05:04.47 | JordiGH | Jester45: The best solution to all of that is Firesomething: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/Screenshot.png |
| 05:04.52 | infotron | unixSnob: what dist is that on? |
| 05:05.00 | unixSnob | amd64 |
| 05:05.03 | JordiGH | (Debian Hypnoant)++ |
| 05:05.07 | infotron | unixSnob: not ARCH. dist. |
| 05:05.08 | infotron | !dist |
| 05:05.12 | infotron | !dists |
| 05:05.16 | infotron | eg, etch, lenny, sid |
| 05:05.18 | unixSnob | debian |
| 05:05.21 | unixSnob | ah.. etch |
| 05:05.27 | marc7 | this is slightly off-topic, but does anybody know if IPSec (with Openswan or another implementation) would be ideal for establishing a large peer-to-peer VPN between multiple different servers in different geographical locations, with no central traffic gateway, but maybe with a centralized PKI |
| 05:05.33 | Wyzard | unixSnob: There's no "samba-amd64" package... the samba package in amd64 Debian is still called "samba" |
| 05:05.43 | infotron | !info samba-amd64 etch |
| 05:05.53 | Jester45 | marc7, how large is large |
| 05:05.55 | infotron | yeah... baffeling to me too. :) |
| 05:06.05 | unixSnob | Wyzard: well that's not the proper name.. but the proper name did contain "amd64" |
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| 05:06.35 | Jester45 | marc7, and what would be transfered? P2P as in file sharing or some other data like irc |
| 05:06.50 | infotron | unixSnob: for the most part, if the package isn't arch specific (like a bootloader), it should run nearly identical on another arch |
| 05:06.56 | Wyzard | unixSnob: What "proper name" are you referring to? |
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| 05:07.15 | Wyzard | unixSnob: samba is called samba |
| 05:07.25 | marc7 | Jester45: let's say there are six nodes in each facility with multiple facilities involved... and that the servers wouldn't be necessarily in close proximity to each other within the same building... so it wouldn't be feasible to plug them all into the same switch/vlan and be sure that they have a local trusted medium |
| 05:07.29 | unixSnob | i'll have it in a minute... it caused me problems to have "samba" installed, when other later updates wanted a amd64 version of it |
| 05:07.49 | Wyzard | unixSnob: If you're running amd64 Debian, all your packages are built for amd64 |
| 05:07.59 | Wyzard | unixSnob: There's no special non-amd64 samba package |
| 05:08.02 | marc7 | and let's also say that the data being passed back and forth between these nodes is, at worst, RTP data from VoIP calls |
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| 05:08.52 | Jester45 | marc7, openswan would work then. are the nodes acting like gateways? or just between the nodes |
| 05:09.53 | Jester45 | marc7, i was just say if its file sharing i know a reall good program for that... but it doesnt do voip but openswan would be a good choice |
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| 05:10.23 | Jester45 | and make sure that if they are acting like gateways to have some type of QoS of the voip will never work |
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| 05:10.30 | marc7 | Jester45: if I go this route, it really would just be a loosely-tied-together collection of servers communicating with each other over a secure protocol... it wouldn't be solely voip, it would basically just be trusted data exchange |
| 05:10.31 | infotron | marc7: depending on the voip protocol used, you might have to do some port translation / pin hole type trickery |
| 05:10.31 | Jester45 | or the* |
| 05:10.41 | marc7 | yeah, the realtime nature of the voip data is the real problem |
| 05:11.02 | infotron | latency is tEh suck. :) |
| 05:11.02 | unixSnob-lenovo | # apt-get install -f |
| 05:11.03 | unixSnob-lenovo | Reading package lists... Done |
| 05:11.03 | unixSnob-lenovo | Building dependency tree... Done |
| 05:11.03 | unixSnob-lenovo | Correcting dependencies... Done |
| 05:11.03 | unixSnob-lenovo | The following extra packages will be installed: |
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| 05:11.14 | marc7 | I would like to just be able to get a bunch of dedicated servers in a bunch of different facilities and share data between them without having them all behind the same switch |
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| 05:11.20 | unixSnob | sorry.. my paste failed |
| 05:11.21 | marc7 | but it's not ideal |
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| 05:12.01 | unixSnob-lenovo | http://rafb.net/p/wQltjs51.html <= that's the samba problem |
| 05:12.01 | marc7 | infotron: that too |
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| 05:12.55 | marc7 | Jester45: what would you suggest if I just needed to share files over a wide area like that? |
| 05:13.26 | unixSnob | Wyzard: you can see in what I pasted that apt-get attempts to replace samba with an amd64 version of samba |
| 05:13.38 | infotron | !tell unixSnob -about paste |
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| 05:13.51 | infotron | no, you were kicked before we saw anything significant |
| 05:14.08 | unixSnob | infotron: that was a botched paste.. I posted the link |
| 05:14.14 | infotron | ahh |
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| 05:14.28 | unixSnob | irssi didn't let me see what I was pasting.. i thought it was just a link the first time |
| 05:14.38 | infotron | _amd64 is the arch |
| 05:14.43 | infotron | it's not the package name |
| 05:15.08 | infotron | samba_3.0.24-6etch10_amd64.deb is packagename_version_arch.deb |
| 05:15.15 | Wyzard | unixSnob: That's replacing version 3.0.24-6etch9 of samba with version 3.0.24-6etch10 |
| 05:15.36 | Wyzard | unixSnob: The _amd64 is part of the filename because it's an amd64 package, but the old version is amd64 too |
| 05:16.11 | unixSnob | well piss me off.. i don't want to downgrade samba, necessarily. I just want to fix my broken index |
| 05:16.18 | unixSnob | and for some reason samba got involved |
| 05:16.52 | Wyzard | unixSnob: Your initscript symlinks are screwed up for some reason |
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| 05:17.23 | infinity0 | is there a way to make DNS lookups go over a SOCKs proxy? |
| 05:17.33 | unixSnob | the gui updater tells me to run "sudo apt-get install -f" to fix it |
| 05:17.35 | infinity0 | i've got it working for iceweasel but that's its own config setting |
| 05:18.05 | unixSnob | but it fails to fix because it tries unsuccessfully to reinstall samba |
| 05:18.27 | Wyzard | infinity0: That's the difference between SOCKS5 and SOCKS5a -- the latter handles name resolution too |
| 05:18.35 | Wyzard | infinity0: For SOCKS4, I don't know |
| 05:19.03 | infinity0 | oh, ok |
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| 05:19.20 | unixSnob | Wyzard: The mess started when my system updates were repeatedly interrupted because of a bad connection. the updater would only let me retry so many times before it gave up.. so now i'm in this hosed state |
| 05:19.21 | infinity0 | whoops |
| 05:19.33 | Wyzard | infinity0: (I know this from reading the Tor documentation, which makes a point of using SOCKS5a... I know basically nothing about SOCKS besides that, though) |
| 05:19.40 | infinity0 | if i were to proxychains an app through a SOCKs 5a proxy, would that work? |
| 05:19.42 | infinity0 | oh ok |
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| 05:20.00 | Wyzard | goes to bed |
| 05:21.43 | mhymn | hi, where can i find the 4.0r4 download links? this one seems to be obsolete: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/ |
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| 05:22.10 | infotron | mhymn: obsolete how? |
| 05:22.19 | mythomaniac | mhymn: ummm debian.com cd images |
| 05:22.30 | mhymn | infotron: |
| 05:22.35 | mhymn | its empty |
| 05:22.44 | enouf | !etch |
| 05:22.44 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r4> |
| 05:22.56 | enouf | !4.0r4 |
| 05:22.56 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r4 was released on July 26th, 2008. This release contains an updated installer, the network-console installation option is no longer vulnerable to the issue described in <DSA1571>. It also includes 2.6.24 kernel images and related new packages, to provide support for hardware requiring updated drivers. http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080726 Also ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 05:23.12 | mythomaniac | yes he is right |
| 05:23.16 | unixSnob | Does debian have to be reinstalled from scratch to fix initscript symlinks? |
| 05:23.28 | enouf | unixSnob-lenovo: no |
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| 05:23.46 | mythomaniac | mhymn: might be maintenance on servers |
| 05:24.05 | quagga | i'd really hope the lenny installer gets 2.6.25 soon. 2.6.24 is broken on a couple of my systems with realtek cards |
| 05:24.07 | mhymn | mythomaniac: any mirror around? |
| 05:24.13 | mythomaniac | The requested URL /debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ was not found on this server. |
| 05:24.30 | infotron | mhymn: http://li.daxal.com/~supaplex/debian/multi-mini-iso/mini-debian-installer-stable.iso is based on the mini.iso - but for multiple dist+platforms. (my own creation). it's using the debian kernels and netboot images on a cd. and it's like 14mb :) |
| 05:24.33 | mythomaniac | mhymn: none that i would trust ;) |
| 05:24.47 | unixSnob | just realized lenny is a terrible hostname for a lenovo box running etch |
| 05:24.51 | infotron | this one is 12mb actually. |
| 05:25.17 | quagga | i name all of my systems after egyptian gods/goddesses |
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| 05:25.47 | mhymn | infotron: mythomaniac: thanks |
| 05:25.56 | unixSnob | quagga: that's a good convention |
| 05:25.59 | mythomaniac | mhymn: np |
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| 05:26.45 | enouf | unixSnob-lenovo: ~$ ls -l /etc/rc*.d/*samba* to a pastebin |
| 05:26.59 | unixSnob | k |
| 05:28.27 | unixSnob-lenovo | http://rafb.net/p/DvKfT017.html |
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| 05:28.43 | enouf | unixSnob-lenovo: ok, no prob |
| 05:28.51 | unixSnob | rc.2 and rc.3 are right? |
| 05:29.02 | enouf | unixSnob-lenovo: no |
| 05:29.24 | enouf | rm /etc/rc[23].d/S91samba |
| 05:29.31 | unixSnob | k |
| 05:30.23 | unixSnob | nice! |
| 05:30.27 | unixSnob | ty enouf! |
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| 05:30.47 | enouf | np |
| 05:31.06 | aragon | how do i install firmware using b43-fwcutter ? |
| 05:31.46 | enouf | aragon: which release? etch? |
| 05:31.54 | aragon | yes |
| 05:32.15 | enouf | !b43-fwcutter etch |
| 05:32.22 | enouf | !b43xx-fwcutter etch |
| 05:32.30 | enouf | :-( |
| 05:32.40 | aragon | sniff |
| 05:33.11 | enouf | ah |
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| 05:33.43 | quagga | if you took the ! key away from most regulars in this channel, it would come to a screaming halt |
| 05:37.45 | infotron | !feed me |
| 05:37.46 | dpkg | feeds infotron to the crocs. |
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| 05:37.51 | infotron | EEK :p |
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| 05:39.12 | knoxy | hi all.. I have a debian lenny running on intel core 2 quad. The cores aren't detected... how can I do to configure debian lenny to detect all cores? |
| 05:39.49 | infotron | knoxy: show /proc/cpuinfo on rafb.net/paste |
| 05:39.58 | infotron | and what's uname -a say? |
| 05:40.44 | unixSnob | knoxy: there's a remote chance you have one of the cores disabled in the BIOS |
| 05:41.13 | unixSnob | s/one/some/ |
| 05:41.30 | knoxy | infotron unixSnob Linux master2 2.6.25-2-686-bigmem #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 18:30:55 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 05:42.02 | knoxy | infernix in /proc/cpuinfo only one core is detected... processor: 0 |
| 05:42.12 | infotron | humm |
| 05:42.34 | infotron | afaik smp+ht kernels are enabled by default in etch 686 series+ |
| 05:42.54 | unixSnob | insteresting... you are running an smp kernel. The bios would be my only guess |
| 05:43.23 | knoxy | ok... I'm check the BIOS.... |
| 05:43.29 | knoxy | wait a moment.. please. |
| 05:44.00 | infotron | no, we can't wait. we demand to idle until .. oh nm, that's waiting. ;) hehe |
| 05:44.27 | unixSnob | solaris has a way of disabling a CPU... perhaps linux does too |
| 05:44.46 | unixSnob | and if so, that would be another lead |
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| 05:45.12 | Relajks | Hey, is there an ISO for Debian Unstable? |
| 05:45.38 | infotron | Relajks: no. install then dist-upgrade |
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| 05:45.52 | Relajks | ok. |
| 05:46.11 | infotron | Relajks: I hope you are familar with sid. |
| 05:46.18 | infotron | ... wuteva. |
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| 05:47.12 | JyZyXEL | http://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-users/200708/msg00115.html |
| 05:47.18 | JyZyXEL | has anyone anserwed to that? |
| 05:48.04 | infotron | JyZyXEL: next by thread implies no |
| 05:48.23 | JyZyXEL | danmit |
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| 05:48.47 | infotron | you might be better off finding the list of stuff you can filter by |
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| 05:50.51 | JyZyXEL | tcp data filter |
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| 05:51.25 | JyZyXEL | http://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/tshark.html |
| 05:51.39 | JyZyXEL | thats the only documentation i was able to find and its too tiny |
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| 05:56.33 | p3rti | someone know how to install nvidia 177 driver on my debian? |
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| 05:56.39 | p3rti | can i use ubuntu packages_ |
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| 05:57.18 | JyZyXEL | http://ethereal.netmirror.org/lists/ethereal-users/200307/msg00273.html |
| 05:57.35 | knoxy | hi unixSnob infotron |
| 05:57.48 | kingsley | p3rti: If you haven't checked already, you might want to search Google's indices for instructions. |
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| 05:59.06 | infotron | whhhee |
| 05:59.09 | unixSnob | knoxy: was your bios right? |
| 05:59.18 | knoxy | yes... |
| 05:59.30 | infotron | !lart pesky bios |
| 05:59.30 | dpkg | --purges pesky bios |
| 05:59.33 | knoxy | in the bios.. the quad core is detected |
| 05:59.51 | knoxy | I think.... the "single processor mode" is disable |
| 05:59.54 | knoxy | right? |
| 06:00.05 | knoxy | by default this option is disable.. |
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| 06:00.48 | unixSnob | well i don't know the answer then knoxy |
| 06:01.21 | Jester45 | does >> in bash apend to the file or is that > |
| 06:01.37 | infotron | Jester45: yes, no |
| 06:01.56 | Jester45 | so > would replace it |
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| 06:02.05 | infotron | right |
| 06:02.10 | infotron | !tias |
| 06:02.10 | dpkg | i heard tias is try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 06:02.37 | knoxy | infotron you can help me? |
| 06:02.55 | infotron | knoxy: ship it to my house. I'll look at it for a few weeks. ;) |
| 06:03.00 | knoxy | this is my second server... the primary server of my company is down. the mother board is broken.. |
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| 06:05.18 | Jester45 | dislikes server bios |
| 06:05.23 | Jester45 | to confusing |
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| 06:07.33 | knoxy | infotron my debian server is down... I need to up the secondary server now... man please, help me to make debian detect the other core's of my core2 quad |
| 06:07.35 | knoxy | please |
| 06:07.45 | infotron | I DON'T FSCKING KNOW |
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| 06:07.58 | infotron | wasn't that obvious? |
| 06:08.35 | dondelelcaro | knoxy: if you're using a -686 or -amd64 kernel, that'll happen automatically. |
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| 06:09.21 | infotron | grep _HT= /boot/config-2.6.* |
| 06:09.22 | dondelelcaro | knoxy: if it doesn't see the other cpus (cat /proc/cpuinfo) and you're running one of those two kernels that we distribute, than something is either wrong with your hardware or your server bios configuration. |
| 06:11.45 | knoxy | dondelelcaro infotron http://pastebin.us/?show=d3df50cca |
| 06:12.37 | infotron | knoxy: every kernel you have installed supports HT. mmm cat /proc/cmdline |
| 06:12.54 | dondelelcaro | knoxy: cpu cores : 1 <-- this would be the key bit. Either your bios doesn't support quad cores, or you've disabled them in the bios, or similar. |
| 06:12.59 | infotron | and it's internally supported, so no module needs to be loaded. |
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| 06:13.33 | knoxy | infotron root=/dev/sda1 ro acpi=off |
| 06:14.01 | infotron | could missing acpi cause this? |
| 06:14.03 | infotron | !acpi |
| 06:14.03 | dpkg | acpi is, like, Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
| 06:14.23 | mlLK | if fuse doesn't show up in my /mnt dir is this because i didn't add an entry into fstab |
| 06:14.32 | mlLK | !fuse |
| 06:14.32 | dpkg | hmm... fuse is at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
| 06:14.34 | knoxy | infotron if acpi=on, the kernel is stopped... I dont know why |
| 06:14.47 | infotron | knoxy: does any other OS see more than one core? |
| 06:15.02 | mlLK | my questions sound so dumb after i read em aloud |
| 06:15.12 | infotron | knoxy: did you google search for similar problems reported by others on your hardware? |
| 06:15.30 | knoxy | infotron yes... I not found in google... |
| 06:15.40 | enouf | aragon yo my apologies, i found the correct factoid with full instructs after i said "ah", and i thought i sent it into channel - but i sent it to myself in PM by mistake - come back to #debian and do "/msg dpkg bcm43xx-fwcutter etch" in your irc client |
| 06:16.11 | knoxy | infotron If the acpi is set 'on', debian detect the cores? |
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| 06:17.08 | infotron | not sure. I have acpi off on my older pIII smp box for similar mainboard retardedness. but I still have both cpus |
| 06:19.25 | enouf | i use acpi=force on my older p2 |
| 06:20.23 | enouf | but that's b/c the kern config setting is set to y2k :-P which on newer homebrewed kernels, i don't need |
| 06:21.58 | knoxy | I'm trying the "acpi=force |
| 06:22.47 | enouf | well with a core2duo (as i just scrolled way up and caught your mild info) heh, that should happen automatically |
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| 06:28.09 | JyZyXEL | does anyone know if tshark is opensource? |
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| 06:29.09 | JyZyXEL | i cant even find its homepage |
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| 06:29.56 | infotron | Jester45: this? http://www.wireshark.org/docs/man-pages/tshark.html |
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| 06:30.16 | JyZyXEL | i need to download page |
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| 06:30.20 | JyZyXEL | need its sources |
| 06:30.30 | mlLK | anyone use vbox? |
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| 06:30.47 | JyZyXEL | the download page |
| 06:30.57 | mlLK | !virtualbox |
| 06:30.58 | dpkg | virtualbox is, like, a virtual machine solution. Check out the website http://www.virtualbox.org/, or #vbox on irc.freenode.net |
| 06:31.04 | infotron | Jester45: apt-file search bin/tshark apt-get source tshark. no idea where their download is yet. |
| 06:31.12 | infotron | !tell mlLK -about anyone |
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| 06:31.55 | JyZyXEL | never used apt-get source |
| 06:32.06 | JyZyXEL | where the sources go= |
| 06:32.12 | infotron | in pwd |
| 06:32.14 | mlLK | what is the most straight-forward method for ubuntu to share files w/ windows as a guest |
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| 06:32.28 | mlLK | nfs? |
| 06:32.35 | infotron | mlLK: /topic |
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| 06:32.55 | mlLK | !nfs |
| 06:32.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, nfs is Sun's Network Filesystem, a reasonably simple file transfer protocol that is quite hard to secure. See the NFS-HOWTO for setup, or No Files Served. Network FaILurE System. Never Fscking Stable. No Fucking Security. Nightmare File System, or ask me about <ssh tunneled nfs>. |
| 06:33.09 | mlLK | !sshsf |
| 06:33.26 | mlLK | !sshfs |
| 06:33.26 | dpkg | hmm... sshfs is a FUSE-based filesystem that uses ssh. It is a nifty way to securely mount remote resources and doesn't rely on NFS or samba. (Don't confuse sshfs with shfs.) Sshfs is in the package sshfs. See http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html, http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/SshfsFaq or ask me about <fuse>. (remember to modprobe fuse and add yourself to the 'fuse' group) |
| 06:33.34 | infotron | Jester45: from wireshark sources debian/watch see http://www.wireshark.org/download/src/all-versions/ |
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| 06:33.52 | Jester45 | infotron, im not asking about wireshark/tshark |
| 06:33.57 | infotron | mlLK: /query dpkg for those if you're the only one using the factoids. |
| 06:34.03 | ^shark_ | /msh dpkg squid |
| 06:34.04 | mlLK | rawr |
| 06:34.21 | infotron | Jester45: sorry. nick completion :P |
| 06:34.42 | infotron | JyZyXEL: from wireshark sources debian/watch see http://www.wireshark.org/download/src/all-versions/ |
| 06:34.49 | JyZyXEL | i got the sources |
| 06:35.07 | JyZyXEL | this is gonna take days |
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| 06:35.11 | JyZyXEL | god damn it |
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| 06:36.17 | JyZyXEL | isn't there any easier way to get a hexdump of the damn application layer |
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| 06:37.05 | infotron | oh get pissy about it. that'll help. |
| 06:37.07 | nonick | what are you compiling? |
| 06:37.20 | nonick | or compiling at all? |
| 06:37.26 | JyZyXEL | yea i wish i was |
| 06:37.53 | streuner1laptop | whats wrong? |
| 06:38.10 | JyZyXEL | its gonna take forever to go rtought this |
| 06:38.26 | nonick | well guys |
| 06:39.28 | peterrooney | JyZyXEL: apt-src might be a better tool for whatever it is you're trying to do. what _are_ you trying to do? |
| 06:39.39 | nonick | tonight i got QoS working and my transparent http proxy along with putting boinc on all my machines with conky displaying the stats from all of them |
| 06:40.02 | JyZyXEL | peterrooney adding a tcp.data filter |
| 06:40.11 | JyZyXEL | they don't have one |
| 06:40.14 | mlLK | i think i trashed my fuse repo |
| 06:40.17 | JyZyXEL | nonick QoS never works |
| 06:41.18 | infotron | except when it does |
| 06:43.44 | nonick | man i hate linux |
| 06:44.01 | nonick | i end up having to much time |
| 06:44.17 | nonick | i dont have to spend hours fixing things |
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| 06:45.20 | infotron | yeah. I forget how I fixed stuff after I have to look into it a second time. so sad I don't fix the same things often to remember better |
| 06:45.38 | mlLK | nonick, better get atop making some strong-ai then |
| 06:46.02 | Jester45 | aa man |
| 06:46.09 | Jester45 | linux does keep me up late |
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| 06:47.42 | infotron | JyZyXEL: ever hear of tcpflows? |
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| 06:51.20 | mauhur | aaa |
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| 06:53.30 | Gillpy | What is the easiest way to resize ext3 |
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| 06:54.38 | miksuh | Gillpy: Easiest is to use gparted |
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| 06:56.24 | miksuh | note that partition which you want to resize needs to be unmounted |
| 06:57.03 | Gillpy | miksuh: I want to resize /home |
| 06:57.14 | Jester45 | ext3 can be enlarged without unmounting |
| 06:57.40 | Jester45 | Gillpy, then you need to boot off a live cd or into single user mode |
| 06:57.50 | mlLK | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.52 | Jester45 | well you dont need to |
| 06:57.53 | miksuh | Jester45: nbut not shrin ked, and I'm not sure if gparted can enlarge unmounted partition |
| 06:58.05 | miksuh | shrink |
| 06:58.18 | Gillpy | Jester45: Couldn't I just login as root |
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| 06:58.29 | miksuh | note that partition which you want to resize needs to be mounted |
| 06:58.37 | miksuh | damn same typo srill |
| 06:58.42 | miksuh | still |
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| 06:59.35 | Gillpy | brb |
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| 06:59.47 | mlLK | can you mount w/ other apps besides mount in fstab |
| 06:59.56 | Jester45 | Gillpy, you could just log off all normal users and unmount /home but single user is easier for me |
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| 07:00.28 | miksuh | Jester45: but not shrinked, and I'm not sure if gparted can enlarge mounted partition |
| 07:00.33 | miksuh | that's what i meant _= |
| 07:00.57 | SeJo | someone using quodlibet here? |
| 07:00.57 | SeJo | i can't seem to open music streams |
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| 07:01.36 | blizzow | Any word on whether or not updated DNS packages have been released for sarge? |
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| 07:13.26 | Gillpy | it is done |
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| 07:16.06 | infinity0 | how do i tell my system to send all requests through a SOCKS proxy? |
| 07:16.12 | infinity0 | how do i tell my system to send all requests through a SOCKS proxy? |
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| 07:19.35 | greeg | hi |
| 07:19.44 | greeg | what package comes with gtk-config |
| 07:20.51 | rvsjoen | libgtk1.2-dev |
| 07:21.02 | kingsley | greeg: See http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=gtk-config&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 07:21.33 | rvsjoen | you can also use apt-file search |
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| 07:29.46 | infinity0 | Gillpy: filesharing? |
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| 07:30.59 | greeg | thanx kingsley, i was in dependancy hell for a minit |
| 07:31.03 | Gillpy | infinity0: no. I have a vista iso, but not a dvd to burn it to. So do I make a ext2 filesystem to extract it onto or a NTFS filesystem? |
| 07:31.07 | greeg | apt-file is not in the repos |
| 07:31.11 | greeg | but i like that site |
| 07:31.29 | infinity0 | Gillpy: you can mount it directly with -t iso9660 -o loop |
| 07:31.35 | infinity0 | but why would you want to install it anyway? |
| 07:31.41 | Gillpy | infinity0: yeah, but i wan to boot it |
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| 07:32.15 | infinity0 | i don't think you can boot a CD image just by extracting it and booting that... |
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| 07:32.28 | infinity0 | there's extra data on bootable ISOs apart from the files themselves |
| 07:32.48 | Gillpy | infinity0: yes, you can, I have dont it before, but with linux OS's |
| 07:32.53 | Gillpy | *done |
| 07:33.04 | infinity0 | there might be an option to make a bootable floppy or CD or something |
| 07:33.10 | infinity0 | if you run the CD, that is |
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| 07:34.07 | Gillpy | it is >700M so I cant burn to a cd |
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| 07:35.57 | infotron | vista for tha FAIL |
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| 07:37.16 | infinity0 | Gillpy: well my advice is just use WINE, it runs pretty much most things :p |
| 07:37.21 | infinity0 | also how is this related to debian? |
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| 07:38.15 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:38.16 | dpkg | from memory, warez is what GNU/Linux people do not need to run their computers and talk about in mundane ubergeek parties. http://www.little-gamers.com/index.php?id=275 or http://www.blerp.org/warez/ |
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| 07:41.58 | g00se | The end of dmesg give "ppdev0: registered pardevice" followed by "ppdev0: unregistered pardevice" about twenty times. What could be the prob? |
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| 07:42.54 | infinity0 | lol xxx.eel.ufl.edu |
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| 07:51.14 | minimax | I'm running etch (stable), but I'm trying to get one unstable package, libc6-dev |
| 07:51.27 | Gillpy | infinity0: yeah, I dont think it's possible to do this with windows |
| 07:51.30 | minimax | I need to compile something which crashes without M_PERTURB |
| 07:53.13 | minimax | or is what I'm attempting to do impossible? |
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| 07:54.56 | wols | miyou do NOT want libc6-dev in stablez |
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| 07:55.17 | wols | it won't help you without libc6 from unstable and then your are in deep shit mixing branches |
| 07:55.27 | minimax | guess I'll have to go completely testing, but that broke the sources horribly (wouldn't even compile) |
| 07:55.27 | ra21vi_ | which is the latest version of debian? |
| 07:55.44 | wols | ra21vi_: see topic |
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| 07:56.34 | ra21vi_ | wols: could not get that in topic.. tell me if you know |
| 07:56.38 | aronofsky | can anyone tell me how I can extract the changelog file from a .deb package ? |
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| 07:57.37 | wols | ra21vi_: 2nd item clearly showes |
| 07:57.40 | wols | *shows |
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| 07:58.40 | ra21vi_ | is it etch or lenny, not the verison no. I want to know the name |
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| 07:59.07 | ra21vi_ | i think etch |
| 07:59.19 | wols | etch is currently debian stable |
| 07:59.27 | ra21vi_ | wols: and lenny |
| 07:59.32 | wols | and it CLEARLY says that in that topic too |
| 07:59.34 | aronofsky | i tried with a dpkg -x but it seems i cant find the changelog file this way |
| 07:59.44 | wols | lenny is not stable and not the current release |
| 08:00.17 | ra21vi_ | wols: then which one is the unstable latest release.. |
| 08:00.30 | wols | sid is unstable as always |
| 08:00.39 | wols | but it is no release |
| 08:00.48 | wols | there is only one current release: etch. nothing else |
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| 08:01.18 | ra21vi_ | wols: oho |
| 08:01.49 | ^shark_ | i have a Micronet SP888BP DSL/Cable router,Zyxel g3000h access point, i am running etch & i need to make a router for my LAN on this setup. |
| 08:01.56 | ra21vi_ | ok, wols I was cofiguring chroot, and needed that info |
| 08:02.00 | ra21vi_ | thanks |
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| 08:02.20 | wols | ^shark_: this is debian related how? |
| 08:02.49 | ^shark_ | wols: what is the software i need to make a debian router |
| 08:03.01 | wols | you already have a router... |
| 08:03.16 | wols | if you made debian a router too you had double NAT |
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| 08:03.59 | ^shark_ | wols: ok i need to make a firewall to block certain protocols to and from my LAN |
| 08:04.09 | wols | iptables |
| 08:04.32 | wols | ipmasq can do NAT easily. dnsmasq does dns caching and DHCP |
| 08:04.57 | pumpkin0 | ^shark_: or, if the router is smart enough, the firewall inside the DSL-router. |
| 08:04.58 | wols | ^shark_: how many network cards in your debian? |
| 08:05.09 | ^shark_ | wols: 2 |
| 08:05.26 | wols | you can either use double NAT or bridge them |
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| 08:05.57 | wols | NAt uses ipmasq and dnsmasq, bridging you have to set it up yourself |
| 08:06.01 | ^shark_ | pumpkin0: i dont think its smart enough |
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| 08:06.22 | wols | blocking protocols is a fools game btw |
| 08:06.36 | ^shark_ | i am thinking of makingmy debian a firewall then all trafiic goes through it |
| 08:06.59 | ^shark_ | what software do i need for this |
| 08:07.07 | wols | I just told you |
| 08:07.20 | infotron | note to self. DNAT for tftp = fail. |
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| 08:09.14 | ^shark_ | wols: then all i do is make all traffic from the DSL/Cable router pass through the firewall(debian) and all traffic from my LAN go to firewall, isnt it? |
| 08:09.37 | wols | when you do WHAT? |
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| 08:10.23 | ^shark_ | wols: i want a firewall for my internet connection |
| 08:10.54 | wols | we know that already |
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| 08:11.27 | Jemt | ^shark_: Install Debian with Firestarter - it's a graphical front-end to IPTables (the firewall in Linux). Note that it manages both UDP and IP ports together |
| 08:11.31 | ^shark_ | wols: having the DSL router is abit confusing on where i can put the firewall, and how the firewall will be bale to get traffic from my LAN to the DSL router |
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| 08:12.10 | wols | it will move the data automatically if you set your routing right |
| 08:12.13 | Jemt | Nonsens - I ment UDP and TCP |
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| 08:12.58 | ^shark_ | wols: ok. so all PCs on the LAN should see this firewall as a gateway, isnt it? |
| 08:14.06 | ^shark_ | wols: then route the traffic to the DSL router |
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| 08:15.14 | wols | no |
| 08:15.22 | wols | well, depends if you od NAT or bridgin |
| 08:15.22 | wols | g |
| 08:15.27 | Jemt | ^shark_: Yes, all trafic must go through the "firewall": DSL/Internet > Your firewall (which is now a router) > PCs |
| 08:15.38 | infotron | tftp can FOAD :) |
| 08:16.12 | marsje | I have a weird thing on my system... snort reports outgoing suspicious behavior but I don't see anything suspicious when using lsof. Can someone run this on an etch system? md5sum /usr/bin/lsof |
| 08:16.36 | infotron | !tell marsje -about debsums |
| 08:16.52 | wols | Jemt: but it's not necessary for his firewall to be default gateway |
| 08:17.15 | wols | !tell marsje about chkrootkit |
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| 08:17.25 | wols | !tell marsje about debsums |
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| 08:17.39 | Jemt | wols: Okay |
| 08:17.49 | wols | marsje: and a rootkit would just hide the info lsof gets on a kernel level. no need to patch it |
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| 08:18.31 | marsje | hmmmm |
| 08:19.18 | marsje | debsums is nice... it says my lsof is OK |
| 08:19.20 | infotron | I'd boot from a trusted livecd |
| 08:19.24 | Jemt | How are these root kits usually distributed? I got no protection against it (as far as I know). |
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| 08:20.13 | Jemt | They are probably distributed via File Sharing services, porn sites or similar, right ? |
| 08:20.17 | marsje | I wonder if it could still be some misreporting from snort... |
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| 08:20.55 | limcore | why apt-get runs folding@home without asking the user? |
| 08:20.57 | marsje | what are the chances that an up-to-date etch server has a rootkit? |
| 08:21.16 | infotron | marsje: small |
| 08:21.26 | internat | whats the flushdns command again? |
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| 08:21.44 | trinux | Jemt: there is a difference between viruses, trojans and worms that are spread via mail, websites or file sharing ... and rootkits. cause rootkits are used to hide an intrusion by people who crack systems |
| 08:22.08 | pumpkin0 | marsje: did you check the SSL-keys ? |
| 08:22.30 | marsje | pumpkin0: what command? |
| 08:22.37 | limcore | marsje: depends. where you visited by debiancat? |
| 08:22.55 | limcore | marsje: like... <debiancat> I'm in your ssh sourcez, commentin' out your code |
| 08:23.07 | pumpkin0 | !tell marsje about dsa1571 |
| 08:23.10 | marsje | limcore: huh? no, I guess |
| 08:23.52 | limcore | marsje: did you updated server to not allow broken SSH keys and used new keys |
| 08:24.09 | limcore | !dsa1571 |
| 08:24.10 | dpkg | Due to a weakness in a random number generator, keys generated after 2006-09-17 (using openssl 0.9.8c-1 and later) need to be regenerated with a newer openssl (at least 0.9.8c-4etch3). See http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1571 http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys Updated openssh packages that check for weak keys are also now available. Ask me about <ssl update><dsa1576><ssh-vulnkey><dsa1571 jokes> |
| 08:24.14 | limcore | yea |
| 08:24.21 | limcore | !dsa1571 jokes |
| 08:24.21 | dpkg | For some light relief between changing your keys, see http://xkcd.com/221/ http://picpaste.com/glasbergen_-_new_encryption_code.gif, or http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/2996/pmeo9hcjp7aw9.jpg, or http://xkcd.com/424/ |
| 08:25.00 | limcore | image shack link is dead |
| 08:25.28 | infotron | pity |
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| 08:31.52 | aronofsky | id like to know, is there a way to know for a given update its level of Criticality, actually id like to use that in a script and all I got for know is the Packages.gz file which doesn't seem to contain that kind of information ... Is there another source where I can get those kind of information about updates ? |
| 08:33.52 | wols | for etch? |
| 08:34.27 | wols | debian is not Microsoft: it only fixes security bugs in stable and they are all critical of course |
| 08:34.48 | aronofsky | yes for etch |
| 08:35.19 | infotron | aronofsky: security bullitens on the debian.org website, and/or mailing list can give you other ideas too |
| 08:35.38 | wols | !dsa |
| 08:35.38 | dpkg | well, dsa is Debian Security Announcement, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ or Debian System Administration, the people you pester (via rt.debian.org) to install software and such on Debian Project computers |
| 08:36.02 | infotron | eg, sometimes you're only exposed if you went out of your way to configure something special. those are considered low impact, because most users will not match that criteria |
| 08:36.31 | wols | infotron: you will still get them as soon as you do a normal apt-get upgrade |
| 08:36.40 | infotron | yup |
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| 08:37.08 | aronofsky | infotron: I guess you're talking about DSA, but its kinda difficult to exploit it in a script, all I got know is the name and the version of the update ... will not be an easy thing to link it with its DSA and exploit it from a script |
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| 08:38.24 | infotron | aronofsky: you want to do automatic pen testing to validate the fixes are correct? I'm lost on the logic, or where you're really going with this. granted, I should be in bed 3h ago, but .... |
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| 08:39.08 | sarefo_work | any idea when firefox 3.0.1 finds its way into lenny (yes, there is no firefox for debian ... ;) |
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| 08:39.57 | sarefo_work | oops, forgot to apt-get update, sorry |
| 08:40.03 | aronofsky | infotron: Actually I list all the available updates for all the computers in my company and id like to highlight in the report the updates that are especially critical |
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| 08:42.07 | pater | aronofsky: did you read the thread about these patches on the kernel mailing list? Basicly: it's not going to happen. |
| 08:42.35 | aronofsky | pater: i dont get it , what do you mean ? |
| 08:42.51 | aronofsky | whats not going to happen ? |
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| 08:44.16 | pater | aronofsky: the maillist "agreed" that disclosing the security-impact of a bug is bad. Cause it will make it easier for hackers to stop the good ones. So every update/patch should be treated the same way. |
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| 08:44.40 | S|Y|N|A|P|S|E | hi |
| 08:44.52 | infernix | hmm, are the CD images for etch revision 4 still being generated? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/ is, like, empty |
| 08:46.02 | S|Y|N|A|P|S|E | i have a virgin server debian , and i need to use an ip scanner and dosent work , i think the problem is in tcl librery ,some please can tell me haw to ability the tcl in a virgin server :| |
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| 08:46.26 | pater | aronofsky: => http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/701694/focus=706600# |
| 08:46.39 | S|Y|N|A|P|S|E | line 5 : 21589 Segmentation default is the error i get |
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| 08:47.15 | infotron | !nickometer S|Y|N|A|P|S|E |
| 08:47.16 | dpkg | 'S|Y|N|A|P|S|E' is 99.9413% lame, infotron |
| 08:47.22 | infernix | o/ |
| 08:47.42 | S|Y|N|A|P|S|E | :| |
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| 08:47.52 | asha | hehe |
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| 08:47.56 | asha | !nickometer asha |
| 08:47.58 | dpkg | 'asha' is 0.000% lame, asha |
| 08:48.02 | asha | sweet |
| 08:48.24 | S|Y|N|A|P|S|E | !nickometer infotron |
| 08:48.26 | dpkg | 'infotron' is 0.000% lame, s|y|n|a|p|s|e |
| 08:48.31 | S|Y|N|A|P|S|E | lool |
| 08:48.31 | Corwin | Does anyone have any ideas how I could accomplish the same thing as: sort file.txt | uniq > new_file.txt except on a mutli GB file? Other than parsing each line and inserting into a unique field in a SQL DB. |
| 08:48.36 | infotron | pwned |
| 08:48.48 | S|Y|N|A|P|S|E | anyway , comeone can help me please |
| 08:48.56 | infotron | bts |
| 08:49.01 | infernix | Corwin: it fails on the large file? |
| 08:49.27 | infernix | i recall doing that on a 2gb dataset. just took a long time |
| 08:49.39 | Corwin | I haven't attempted to try sort and uniq - I only have 4GB of ram right now |
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| 08:49.53 | flower | What is wrong with this /etc/apt/preferences file? http://pastebin.com/m138b1e98 |
| 08:50.14 | infernix | Corwin: as long as you have swap :) besides, doesnt it create tempfiles anyway |
| 08:50.27 | asha | you could use sort -c -u to sort with uniq at the same time, to save a step |
| 08:50.34 | infotron | sort has a way to sort multiple files and remerge. supposedly faster than sorting one large file of the same info. |
| 08:50.35 | flower | Reading package lists... Done |
| 08:50.35 | Corwin | infernix: cool, I'm glad to hear that. What is your definition of a long time? |
| 08:50.36 | flower | E: Invalid record in the preferences file, no Package header |
| 08:50.56 | infernix | Corwin: 45 minutes for the dataset I had |
| 08:51.08 | Corwin | asha: That's awesome, thanks :) |
| 08:51.39 | Corwin | infernix: oh, that's not too bad at all. Ok, I'll go ahead and fire up sort. |
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| 08:52.30 | Corwin | I have a nack for doing stuff that takes a REALLY long time. Back in my Amiga 4000 days I had a 30 second animation that took 9 months nonstop to render. |
| 08:54.52 | infotron | !win Corwin |
| 08:54.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, Corwin! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 08:55.00 | infotron | ;p |
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| 08:57.30 | Agiofws | someone please tell me whats the executable of |
| 08:57.31 | Agiofws | Unpacking gnome-randr-applet (from .../gnome-randr-applet_0.2-2_i386.deb) ... |
| 08:57.31 | Agiofws | Setting up gnome-randr-applet (0.2-2) ... |
| 08:57.51 | asha | dpkg -L <package name> will tell you |
| 08:57.51 | dpkg | No packages found matching <package name> will tell you |
| 08:57.58 | asha | oops |
| 08:58.15 | se7en_ | what tool would i use to cconvert an movie.iso into a movie.xvid |
| 08:58.24 | asha | se7en_, mencoder |
| 08:58.37 | se7en_ | thankss asha |
| 08:58.46 | Corwin | se7en_: dvd::rip is pretty good, but you need the orgional DVD |
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| 08:59.02 | asha | acidrip is a decent frontend to mencoder as well |
| 08:59.29 | Corwin | On this topic, has anyone encoded a movie to h.264? |
| 09:00.00 | asha | i use mpeg4 encoding often |
| 09:00.07 | asha | via lavc |
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| 09:01.04 | Corwin | h.264 seems to be a lot better than mpeg4 |
| 09:01.22 | Corwin | a LOT slower to encode from what I understand |
| 09:01.22 | asha | i thought they were nearly identical in operation? |
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| 09:01.58 | Corwin | asha: I think it's almost half the size for the same quality |
| 09:02.08 | asha | ah. 264 is just a standard subset of the mpeg4 umbrella |
| 09:02.12 | asha | ic |
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| 09:03.04 | Corwin | then 1/2 the size of dvix/xvid then... I'm not an expert on h.264 |
| 09:03.15 | asha | i noticed basic 2 pass mpeg4 encoding with lavc is smaller than xvid anyway, so it's good enough for me :) |
| 09:03.20 | WormFood | I've been trying to encode videos for my psp with mencoder, and it is not that easy to figure out the correct settings to make it work |
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| 09:03.58 | asha | wormfood, you may google for mencoder psp profiles, and put the given profile in ~/.mplayer/mencoder.conf |
| 09:04.01 | Corwin | I used dvd:rip many years ago to make mpg4 videos for my SHarp Zaurus |
| 09:04.30 | WormFood | I have used google, but I didn't search for "profile(s)"...thanks for the tip asha |
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| 09:04.52 | WormFood | I have a Zaurus too....but it is 12 time zones away from me now |
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| 09:05.00 | WormFood | now I use a nokia N800 |
| 09:05.01 | asha | http://babgvant.com/forums/t/723.aspx gives examples |
| 09:05.13 | Corwin | asha: I surprized that lvac is smaller than xvid. I need to research it a bit. Thanks for the info. |
| 09:05.14 | asha | ahah. n series encoding is interesting |
| 09:05.18 | WormFood | and I don't have to encode shit for the N800....it has mplayer, and plays everything |
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| 09:05.38 | asha | my n810 wasnt able to play 25fps video well, so i had to do 13 |
| 09:05.57 | asha | corwin, lavc is just an encoding library that implements a number of things, including mpeg4 |
| 09:06.12 | WormFood | I download all my teevee shows I watch, and they play fine on the N800...not sure about their framerate |
| 09:06.22 | WormFood | only problems I get is if there is a lot of motion....sometimes |
| 09:06.31 | asha | it may be dropping frames then |
| 09:06.40 | asha | which is fine |
| 09:06.44 | WormFood | and usually if I back up the video, and play it again, it is fine (no doubt because it is in ram) |
| 09:06.51 | WormFood | yeah, of course it was dropping frames |
| 09:06.55 | Agiofws | someone tell me how do i upgrade xrandr 1.1 to 1.2 in stable ? |
| 09:07.26 | Trewas | asha: if lavc makes smaller videos than xvid then you are just using different bitrates |
| 09:07.52 | enouf | you don't. afaict |
| 09:08.32 | asha | trewas, i did a test from a dvd into mpeg4 and xvid, they differed in size without a bitrate set |
| 09:08.37 | RichiH | wonders why metasploit is not in debian |
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| 09:09.08 | Corwin | Agiofws: ii libxrandr2 2:1.2.3-1 is installed on my testing machine, so you could try apt-get install -t testing libxrandr2 - however it may make a mess with dependencies |
| 09:09.14 | RichiH | it might be as simple as a licence issue, i did not check. but i wonder if anyone knows off the top if their heads |
| 09:09.19 | Trewas | asha: so they defaulted to some different bitrate... that kind of comparison is quite meaningless |
| 09:09.25 | Agiofws | Corwin, |
| 09:09.42 | Wyzard | asha: Every video has a bitrate, whether you specify one or not... you were just comparing defaults |
| 09:09.46 | jelly | Agiofws: you would have to upgrade the X server. No easy way |
| 09:09.54 | Agiofws | Corwin, xrandr --output VGA --left-of LVDS this wont work |
| 09:10.06 | darkterror46 | greetings |
| 09:10.11 | Agiofws | jelly, trying to set up a dual screen on a 945intel chip set |
| 09:10.37 | jelly | Agiofws: set it up it xorg.conf, probably |
| 09:10.41 | enouf | * dep: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) |
| 09:10.41 | darkterror46 | anyone here using vmware server with bridged connection? |
| 09:10.54 | Agiofws | would help ? |
| 09:11.09 | Corwin | darkterror46: I've used bridged connections in the past with qemu/kvm |
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| 09:11.24 | Wyzard | darkterror46: I've used both Workstation and Server in Debian with bridged networking, though I don't have Server installed currently |
| 09:11.25 | limcore | how to install all X libs -dev |
| 09:11.33 | darkterror46 | do i need any special configuration to enable it? |
| 09:11.40 | Wyzard | darkterror46: no |
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| 09:12.14 | Corwin | vmware has too much drm crap, I've had several times where it stoped running VM's due to licensing issues that made no sense |
| 09:12.31 | darkterror46 | Wyzard: i can't make guest os to acess internet using bridged connection . yet guest and host comunicate fine |
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| 09:12.57 | Corwin | darkterror46: that's a routing/firewall issue on your host |
| 09:13.15 | trinux | RichiH: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/07/msg00118.html |
| 09:13.19 | Wyzard | darkterror46: Some network devices don't support bridging (my laptop's wireless, for example) |
| 09:13.29 | darkterror46 | can you give me an example of wich iptables conf i need? |
| 09:13.34 | hatter | Corwin, vmware-server or player has never done that to me |
| 09:13.48 | darkterror46 | this is a realtek ethernet |
| 09:14.07 | hatter | i use vmware with bridging |
| 09:14.11 | Wyzard | darkterror46: You shouldn't need iptables configuration; the whole point of bridging is that the VM is a completely separate device with its own MAC address and everything, and it doesn't go through any of your iptables rules |
| 09:14.22 | RichiH | trinux: ta |
| 09:14.24 | Corwin | My VMware problems were several years ago so things may be better now. I do hear good things about VMware server |
| 09:14.34 | hatter | yes, bridged means it gets its own ip address |
| 09:14.41 | hatter | on the same subnet |
| 09:14.47 | Wyzard | Corwin: The only "licensing issue" I've ever seen with VMware is having to enter a license key the first time I run a given version of Workstation |
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| 09:15.10 | darkterror46 | I can't figure why then the guest can't connect to other machines beside host |
| 09:15.12 | Wyzard | which isn't exactly a problem |
| 09:15.43 | Corwin | Wyzard: it was workstation, after using it for a period of time it rejected my license key and stopped working. |
| 09:15.44 | hatter | can you ping the guest from the other hosts |
| 09:15.50 | darkterror46 | no |
| 09:15.59 | darkterror46 | that's the problem |
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| 09:16.14 | hatter | have you rebooted since install ? |
| 09:16.23 | darkterror46 | several times :) |
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| 09:16.53 | hatter | are you giving it static ip or dhcp ? |
| 09:16.58 | darkterror46 | static |
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| 09:17.09 | Zenox | gzip is slowing the computer alot, but i havent started the process... how can i check whats being gzipped or whats going on? |
| 09:17.42 | RichiH | trinux: so it _is_ a licence issue with 3.0.. yay.. |
| 09:17.45 | enouf | top/htop |
| 09:17.57 | trinux | RichiH: when you install the packages from this wiki you should be able to setup the framework manually: http://www.metasploit.com/dev/trac/wiki/Metasploit3/InstallUbuntu |
| 09:18.03 | ptman | Zenox: lsof -c gzip |
| 09:18.06 | hatter | darkterror46, have you run the vmware install again ? |
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| 09:18.59 | darkterror46 | no |
| 09:19.15 | hatter | do it again and see which vmnet the bridge is on |
| 09:19.23 | darkterror46 | is on vmnet0 |
| 09:19.30 | darkterror46 | and eth0 |
| 09:19.49 | darkterror46 | i only have one ethernet |
| 09:19.54 | Wyzard | Make sure your host is actually set to use bridged networking, and not host-only |
| 09:20.08 | Wyzard | your VM, that is |
| 09:20.11 | darkterror46 | checked Wyzard |
| 09:20.17 | niru | hi all |
| 09:20.28 | hatter | then it must be a networking problem in the guest |
| 09:20.33 | niru | the scanner-find-tool detects by scanner |
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| 09:20.37 | darkterror46 | in the guest? |
| 09:20.42 | niru | but the sane tool is not listing it |
| 09:20.44 | Zenox | ptman: thx alot, seems like an backup thats gone berserk (prob some symlink that makes it) |
| 09:20.50 | niru | is there any other equivalent of that |
| 09:20.58 | hatter | niru, the guest OS |
| 09:21.02 | Corwin | niru: try running the sane tool with root permissions |
| 09:21.02 | hatter | oops |
| 09:21.05 | hatter | darkterror46, |
| 09:21.12 | darkterror46 | guest os mandriva spring hatter |
| 09:21.28 | darkterror46 | and it can ping the host machine |
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| 09:21.39 | hatter | darkterror46, the you have a firewall problem on the guest |
| 09:21.41 | niru | Corwin, did the same and facing the same not detected |
| 09:21.42 | redduck666 | vm04.kiberpipa.org:8000 any ideas why it tries to download the file as opposed to displaying it? the headers look OK to me. |
| 09:21.46 | niru | message |
| 09:22.03 | darkterror46 | hatter: firewall disabled |
| 09:22.14 | ptman | darkterror46: route? |
| 09:22.37 | Corwin | niru: by scanner-find-tool, do you mean sane-find-scanner |
| 09:22.47 | niru | Corwin, yes |
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| 09:23.07 | darkterror46 | ptman: the route is the same as in the host |
| 09:23.22 | Corwin | Bhaal: sane-find-scanner finds my usb wifi adapter and reports it as a scanner... Is your scanner supported by sane? |
| 09:23.40 | Corwin | opps, niru I mean |
| 09:24.01 | niru | Corwin, how can I know that |
| 09:24.17 | niru | Corwin, sane-find-scanner gave scanner detected |
| 09:24.22 | darkterror46 | the configs are host: 62.193.235.93/255.255.255.0 gw 63.193.235.254 |
| 09:24.24 | niru | Corwin, ? |
| 09:24.38 | Corwin | niru: google for the sane site and find a compatibility list |
| 09:24.39 | darkterror46 | guest: 62.193.235.220/255.255.255.0 gw 63.193.235.254 |
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| 09:25.14 | Corwin | niru: sane-find-scanner gives scanner detected for my wifi adapter. I doubt I'll get it to scan |
| 09:25.56 | niru | Corwin, ok |
| 09:26.14 | darkterror46 | now my problem is i can't find why the guest can network with host but not with any other machine |
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| 09:27.36 | aronofsky | knowing the name and the version of an available update, what is the easiest way ( in a script ) to get the DSA associated ? |
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| 09:29.10 | darkterror46 | so bridged connection shouldn't need any iptables configuration |
| 09:29.19 | harpal | how can i convert an image to pdf? I have tried with GIMP but there is no option to save as pdf |
| 09:29.44 | enouf | aronofsky: apt-listchanges? not sure what you're asking |
| 09:29.57 | se7en_ | use print to file harpal |
| 09:30.32 | harpal | se7en_: in GIMP? |
| 09:30.34 | Corwin | harpal: also you could convert the image to pnm (ie png2pnm), then pnm2pdf |
| 09:31.09 | themill | harpal: imagemagick can do it: convert foo.png foo.pdf |
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| 09:31.45 | se7en_ | harpal: yes just go to print -> print to file |
| 09:31.56 | aronofsky | enouf: Actually I got a list of available updates ( from Packages.gz ) and id like to get the DSA and CVE numbers associated to the updates |
| 09:32.39 | harpal | se7en_: okay. |
| 09:33.12 | harpal | Hey I have proxy server and I cant do apt-get, so Is there any option to set proxy and username and password? |
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| 09:34.20 | Corwin | harpal: look at apt-proxy |
| 09:34.22 | lkthomas | does anyone did setup openldap on debian ? |
| 09:34.22 | themill | harpal: man 5 apt.conf |
| 09:34.31 | lkthomas | how could I change admin dn password ? |
| 09:35.05 | harpal | Corwin: themill ok |
| 09:35.06 | enouf | aronofsky: no idea, offhand |
| 09:35.24 | Corwin | harpal: themill's answer is what you want |
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| 09:36.01 | aronofsky | harpal: echo 'Acquire::http::Proxy "http://proxy:port";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy |
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| 09:37.28 | harpal | Corwin: Ya I was checking man page of apt.conf |
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| 09:38.23 | harpal | aronofsky: how to specify username and password?? |
| 09:38.55 | bremner | root on host A can rsh into root on host B. /root/hosts.equiv is empty. /root/.rhosts does not exit. what am I missing |
| 09:38.57 | bremner | ? |
| 09:39.12 | harpal | aronofsky: ok I get it |
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| 09:39.31 | aronofsky | harpal: echo 'Acquire::http::Proxy "http://login:password@proxy:port";' > /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/proxy |
| 09:40.05 | themill | bremner: rsh is ssh on many (most?) boxes these days. Do you have anything in ~/.ssh ? |
| 09:40.08 | harpal | aronofsky: ya Thanks, I have entered and Just checking it |
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| 09:40.33 | voraistos | Hi. I have some trouble with ldap/slapd. I dont wish to use it for authenticating users on the system , but i want other software to create users/authenticate them using slapd. It seems the server is running fine, but somehow it doesnt work :P |
| 09:40.54 | aronofsky | anyone my DSA/CVE question ? I got a list of available updates ( from Packages.gz ) and id like to get the DSA and CVE numbers associated to the updates ? |
| 09:41.13 | bremner | themill: authorized_keys.old environment id_dsa id_dsa.pub id_rsa id_rsa.pub known_hosts |
| 09:41.19 | voraistos | I'm using the default etch packages, anyone knows where i could find a good howto ? |
| 09:41.23 | Corwin | voraistos: There is a php based admin tool for slapd, if you haven't already you could check it out |
| 09:41.27 | bremner | I renamed authorized keys to authorized_keys.old |
| 09:41.55 | voraistos | Corwin, does it run in CLI ? |
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| 09:42.00 | bremner | themill: ssh host B asks for a password, rsh not |
| 09:42.10 | themill | bremner: hmm... nfc then. |
| 09:42.14 | Corwin | voraistos: I think it wants an apache setup |
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| 09:43.25 | abaxas | hi all |
| 09:43.27 | voraistos | Corwin i think it might be worth the trouble then, thanks :D |
| 09:43.34 | abaxas | quick q.... where did all the install cds get to? |
| 09:43.39 | abaxas | they have dissapeared |
| 09:43.56 | Corwin | voraistos: First thing I would do. Ldap can be tricky |
| 09:44.18 | voraistos | I see that. And i have no clue how it works :D |
| 09:44.31 | voraistos | even trickier :P |
| 09:44.31 | Corwin | wow, sort makes lots of temp files in /tmp |
| 09:45.01 | Corwin | voraistos: I wish you the best! |
| 09:46.08 | harpal | aronofsky: Corwin: themill: Thanks a lot. My apt is working fine with proxy |
| 09:46.20 | Corwin | infernix: not a biggie, but you were wrong about sort not making temp files. |
| 09:46.54 | Corwin | harpal: :) All I did was try to confuse you ;) |
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| 09:47.26 | voraistos | hey you know what really rocks ? |
| 09:47.37 | voraistos | apt-get install phpldapadmin |
| 09:47.42 | harpal | Corwin: no problem others have solved my problem, but Thanks |
| 09:47.52 | enouf | aronofsky: just in case nobody responds after a little while, there' |
| 09:47.53 | voraistos | w3m domain.com/phpldapadmin |
| 09:47.57 | voraistos | in 10 seconds |
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| 09:48.17 | voraistos | the webserver, the tool everything. gotta love debian :D |
| 09:48.19 | enouf | aronofsky: ... there's also irc.debian.org and debian channels there |
| 09:48.51 | Corwin | Debain is awesome |
| 09:48.51 | harpal | Hey is there any package which will convert pdf file in to word document? |
| 09:49.21 | aronofsky | enouf: ok , thx |
| 09:50.08 | Corwin | harpal: if not openoffice then convert the pdf to jpg and imbed using openoffice |
| 09:50.18 | themill | harpal: if it's a pdf with text in it, you can use pdftotext |
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| 09:52.04 | voraistos | err |
| 09:52.17 | voraistos | anybody knows how to uninstall something i installed with make ? |
| 09:52.28 | voraistos | its make clean or something. |
| 09:52.36 | Corwin | make uninstall |
| 09:52.38 | voraistos | i nevver do it, i cant remember :P |
| 09:52.42 | wols | voraistos: depends on the thing you installed |
| 09:52.44 | wols | there is no standard |
| 09:52.54 | wols | read the docs for the thing you installed |
| 09:52.54 | voraistos | that explains things then :D |
| 09:53.02 | lkthomas | does anyone did setup openldap on debian ? |
| 09:53.09 | wols | !anyone |
| 09:53.09 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 09:53.12 | abaxas | best to use a prefix when installing |
| 09:53.20 | abaxas | eg into /usr/local or /opt etc |
| 09:53.28 | abaxas | keep all your non distro stuff in one place |
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| 09:53.46 | bremner | voraistos: for the future, see checkinstall |
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| 09:55.01 | Corwin | Komqueror lost the little + signs to expand directories in Detailed List View.. Any clue what setting puts them back? |
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| 09:55.30 | voraistos | in the future i will refuse to use anything thats not apt-gettable i think :P |
| 09:56.13 | bremner | voraistos: that is more or less the point of checkinstall |
| 09:56.21 | Corwin | voraistos: not always possible but that would make life better. Checkinstall does make a .deb package though, when it works it works well |
| 09:56.47 | slackd00d | and dpkg-buildpackage if it has a debian directory |
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| 10:00.07 | Corwin | hmm. I guess the answer to my question is Tree View |
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| 10:07.08 | harpal | Corwin: Yes its called Tree View. |
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| 10:07.31 | Corwin | harpal: I'm not sure how I never realized that until now |
| 10:08.18 | harpal | Corwin: Sometimes that happen. So just continue :) |
| 10:08.38 | Corwin | my 2GB file finished sorting already, it shrunk to 378MB |
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| 10:11.30 | akaaka | hello, i wonder how important its powernowd? i mean it seems that works only for new cpus |
| 10:11.43 | akaaka | but since i use the asus eee, i doubt i need it |
| 10:11.45 | akaaka | or im wrong |
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| 10:11.55 | pumpkin0 | akaaka: powernowd = for AMD only. |
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| 10:12.13 | pumpkin0 | akaaka: the eee uses intel (right?) so it does not matter for you . |
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| 10:13.03 | akaaka | yeah |
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| 10:13.15 | akaaka | thx i was reading that it does support some intel M series |
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| 10:13.21 | akaaka | but this are the faster ones |
| 10:13.35 | Trewas | powernowd (package) is not only for amd anymore, "The name is somewhat misleading, as any CPUfreq capable processor will work, ..." |
| 10:13.50 | Trewas | from the description |
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| 10:15.21 | akaaka | yeah but mine its a slow pig |
| 10:15.27 | akaaka | i doubt i need it |
| 10:15.36 | akaaka | its just 900ghz lol |
| 10:15.42 | akaaka | intel mobile series |
| 10:15.55 | Trewas | well, it is especially useful with laptops, to save energy and make the battery last longer |
| 10:16.00 | akaaka | but its running debian smooth, but im optimizing now |
| 10:16.03 | abaxas | you should deffo use some kind of scaling sw |
| 10:16.14 | akaaka | i see |
| 10:16.16 | Kamping_Kaiser | hi all. on a lenny install, does evo *delete* messages from an imap server when you mark them spam, or does it still just hide it from view? |
| 10:16.45 | abaxas | I run and old ibm x40... 1hgz p-m... however only ever run it at 600mhz :P |
| 10:16.49 | abaxas | fine as a sofatop |
| 10:16.54 | akaaka | well i will keep it then, i mean i was deletings some startups that are useless as printers and anacron, etc |
| 10:17.16 | se7en_ | It's Monday, July 28, 2008, at 12:17 PM in Europe/Berlin |
| 10:17.17 | akaaka | lol |
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| 10:17.51 | akaaka | since i didnt do swap partition.. and i only have 512 of ram.. should i elevate my swappiness to 100? |
| 10:17.54 | akaaka | what you recommend guys |
| 10:18.23 | pumpkin0 | akaaka: put a swap-file somewhere? |
| 10:18.36 | akaaka | yeah i was thinking that too |
| 10:18.40 | Kamping_Kaiser | swap should be at least the same size as your ram |
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| 10:18.50 | trinux | Kamping_Kaiser: thats from the late 90s |
| 10:19.03 | akaaka | seems that with the new kernel swap file is as fast as the |
| 10:19.07 | akaaka | swap partition |
| 10:19.09 | Kamping_Kaiser | trinux, but still valid when hibernating |
| 10:19.35 | pumpkin0 | Kamping_Kaiser: you more then the size of the ram for hibernating .. |
| 10:19.50 | themill | pumpkin0: depends on the implementation |
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| 10:20.19 | akaaka | thx im reading now about how to make a swap file |
| 10:20.29 | themill | pumpkin0: Old swsusp in the kernel (i.e. up to 2.6.19ish I think) had a limit of 1/2 RAM for the size of your suspend image. |
| 10:20.30 | akaaka | but this is gentoo wiki |
| 10:20.32 | akaaka | ahh doesnt matter i guess |
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| 10:26.53 | robert83a1 | hello, I've downloaded latest Debian version, did a apt-get full upgrade, I'm trying to compile kernel 2.6.18 with connlimit I did this to get connlimit from netfilter |
| 10:26.54 | robert83a1 | svn co https://svn.netfilter.org/netfilter/tags/patch-o-matic-ng/pre_2611/ patch-o-matic-ng-pre_2611 |
| 10:27.13 | robert83a1 | then I ran ./runme connlimit, asked me that if I want to patch the kernel said yes , and I get this error |
| 10:27.19 | robert83a1 | unable to find ladd slot in src /tmp/pom-11884/net/ipv4/netfilter/Makefile |
| 10:27.36 | sarefo_work | what's the easiest way to read the contents of an .iso CD image? |
| 10:27.41 | robert83a1 | what can I do here ? (worked fine with older Debian Sarge, and kernel 2.6.8, cannot get it working with kernel 2.6.18 |
| 10:29.18 | Corwin | sarefo_work: mount the file with mount -o loop |
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| 10:29.38 | themill | !mount iso |
| 10:29.39 | dpkg | somebody said iso mount was mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 10:30.14 | trinux | !mount tar |
| 10:30.29 | sarefo_work | thx Corwin :) (works without -t) |
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| 10:30.49 | trinux | !fuse |
| 10:30.49 | dpkg | fuse is, like, at http://fuse.sf.net/, is Filesystem in USEerspace, enables you to mount various exotic filesystems, like <ntfs-3g>, samba workgroups, tar files, ftp sites etc. Fuse is packaged in debian and already included in recent 2.6.x kernels.. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace |
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| 10:31.45 | asha | robert83a1, using a newer pom than pre_2611 might help, if you try to patch 2.6.18 |
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| 10:33.26 | robert83a1 | asha : sorry for the dumb question but what do you mean buy that? I've tried using the browser to see if there is something other then pre_2611 online but was unable to find it... |
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| 10:34.06 | robert83a1 | what I did https://svn.netfilter.org/netfilter/tags/patch-o-matic-ng/, but can only see pre_2611 available |
| 10:35.26 | abaxas | stupid q no1 |
| 10:35.35 | abaxas | is there all u need on debian cd1 to install the base os? |
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| 10:36.27 | freebird | you guys, I`ve exim, courier-imap plus squirrelmail, the problem is that I can only log 3 users, i`ve 6 users, the others wont login, I`ve searched everywhere,can`t find nothing |
| 10:36.47 | themill | abaxas: yes. In fact the netinstall has everything for a base install |
| 10:36.53 | freebird | others users have directories exactly equal, same kind of permissions, I`ve gone thru each file |
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| 10:37.05 | abaxas | thanks... just on dialup until wed and box has thrown a wobbly |
| 10:37.15 | abaxas | (and it lives in a cupbaord!) |
| 10:37.27 | abaxas | thanks |
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| 10:38.10 | CoreGecko | woot! finally got my svn setup with ssl. thx dpkg :) |
| 10:38.22 | freebird | I`m trying to connect using telnet |
| 10:38.53 | voraistos | telnet still lives :D wonderful :P |
| 10:40.41 | freebird | why 3 users work, and the others don`t, as far as I know I` using userdbauth type, have added users with userdb, the file /etc/courier/userdb is good, |
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| 11:18.10 | harpal | Hey is there any shortcut to minimize all windows on desktop?? like in Windows we have WindowsKey+M minimize all windows |
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| 11:19.20 | themill | harpal: Set up whatever you want in your windows manager. I have Win+D mapped to that in KDE. |
| 11:21.14 | harpal | themill: I have GNOME, How to go to windows manager? |
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| 11:22.04 | AljosHa | Anyone here have openvpn server? |
| 11:22.11 | exitnull | harpal, have you've seen the keyboard shortcut list? |
| 11:22.27 | exitnull | harpal, show desktop |
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| 11:23.10 | harpal | themill: exitnull, Thanks I got it its Ctrl+Alt+D |
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| 11:28.26 | skeel | i have a software raid array setup in raid 0 on a debian system. the system was running off of a disk that just crashed, but the raid array-disks are not affected. Can I just move the raid-disks to another system and set it up with mdadm without losing all the data? |
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| 11:30.09 | dante_2core | blist |
| 11:30.11 | streuner1laptop | wb(r) abrotman |
| 11:30.17 | dante_2core | darn, wrong window, sorry. |
| 11:30.18 | abrotman | hi |
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| 11:30.43 | zxxd | hi |
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| 11:32.45 | Corwin | hello abrotman |
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| 11:32.58 | Sertse | oh finally |
| 11:33.00 | zxxd | does anyone know the kernel bootsplash patch ? it works fine but i wont to block the ability of users from seeing the kernel output when pressing "ESC" key |
| 11:33.02 | Sertse | debian has raised a rank |
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| 11:33.43 | zxxd | does anyone know the kernel bootsplash patch ? it works fine but i wont to block the ability of users from seeing the kernel output when pressing "ESC" key, it removes the splash image and reveals the kernel bootstrap information |
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| 11:44.32 | micky | hello is there a way i can specify to the "passwd" command the new password i want in the same command ? like ( passwd newpassword ) ? |
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| 11:49.43 | Agiofws | can some one please tell me why i get 1280x1024 on my internel lcd and and i am getting something like 800x600 on my external monitor ? my xorg.conf is Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/h7iIJL84.html |
| 11:50.37 | Agiofws | mick_home, you could edit the ./etc/shadow |
| 11:50.44 | Agiofws | like echo a line in that file ? |
| 11:50.51 | nkuttler | micky: that's a bad idea. |
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| 11:51.36 | pumpkin0 | micky: the password will be stored in your bash_history... |
| 11:52.16 | nkuttler | micky: and will be shown to a ps |
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| 11:57.59 | Agiofws | can some one please tell me why i get 1280x1024 on my internel lcd and and i am getting something like 800x600 on my external monitor ? my xorg.conf is Your paste can be seen here: http://rafb.net/p/h7iIJL84.html |
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| 12:02.15 | alex123 | Agiofws, your xorg.conf is a mess |
| 12:02.25 | alex123 | In 33.0 Mb/s (3.3%) 14.3 Mb/s (1.4%) 33.0 Mb/s (3.3%) |
| 12:02.25 | alex123 | Out 194.0 Mb/s (19.4%) 76.4 Mb/s (7.6%) 194.0 Mb/s (19.4%) |
| 12:02.27 | alex123 | woops |
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| 12:02.32 | Agiofws | i know but it works |
| 12:02.36 | alex123 | Agiofws: this area: |
| 12:02.36 | alex123 | Section "Monitor" |
| 12:02.36 | alex123 | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:02.44 | Agiofws | yes ? |
| 12:02.54 | alex123 | set the horiz and vert refresh, |
| 12:02.59 | alex123 | then create a modes[1] |
| 12:03.06 | alex123 | and set like 1024x768 in there |
| 12:03.50 | Agiofws | alex123, what rates d o i use for a 19" inch monitor ? |
| 12:03.57 | Agiofws | tft ? |
| 12:04.44 | ptman | Agiofws: usually you don't have to specify the rates anymore, they are usually autodetected correctly |
| 12:05.10 | alex123 | ptman, your tft 19" should be able to handle 1024x768 easy |
| 12:05.39 | dante_2core | 19" are 1280x1024 normally |
| 12:05.44 | alex123 | the ranges you have in your conf are fine |
| 12:05.51 | dante_2core | at least the three I have around the house are |
| 12:05.55 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.55 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:05.57 | Agiofws | ? |
| 12:05.59 | Agiofws | are ok ? |
| 12:06.10 | alex123 | yes |
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| 12:07.09 | Agiofws | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:07.22 | naz | is gettting raid10 working on a debian server easy during install or is it better to just partition a small boot / os partition and set up the raid10 partitions later? |
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| 12:08.10 | ptman | naz: debian has the best raid-setup in the installer that I've come across |
| 12:09.24 | DawnLight | Agiofws: are you using the i810 driver? you can install the xserver-xorg-video-intel now that there's etchnhalf and use Driver "intel" |
| 12:09.40 | dantanna | alex123: BusID "PCI:0:2:0" for both devices is that part wrong too? |
| 12:09.42 | LeVA | when will the 4.0r4 hit the cdimage servers? |
| 12:09.54 | Agiofws | yes i am using i810 straight for kernel |
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| 12:10.10 | Agiofws | dantanna, i dont think so |
| 12:10.21 | DawnLight | Agiofws: why not use intel? |
| 12:10.54 | oskude | i would try with an empty xorg.conf |
| 12:10.58 | Agiofws | don;t know |
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| 12:11.38 | dantanna | alex123: wasn't sure... but that is sure a messy xorg.conf =P |
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| 12:13.32 | Resnick | Hey all. I just installed Etch yesterday, but I've since read some sites about upgrading to Lenny. It's sounds simple enough, but is it reccommended? |
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| 12:14.28 | naz | ptman glad to hear... i'm about to do a server with raid using debian |
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| 12:14.38 | naz | i'm re-deploying a server that was running debian 3.1 |
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| 12:14.51 | naz | it got compromised, so i had to pull it offline and now i'm reformatting it |
| 12:16.32 | abrotman | Resnick: for server or workstatoin ? |
| 12:16.59 | ptman | naz: i can see why, sarge stopped getting security updates sometime in march IIRC |
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| 12:18.56 | naz | ptman wow... i didnt know that |
| 12:19.04 | salvin | why does gdm and Xorg fork? |
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| 12:19.14 | Resnick | abrotman: Just for a workstation. While it's not 'critical', it's used by everyone in the family. I just want to know before I take the plunge. Apparently changing the repository source names to lenny etc then updating and running dist-upgrade works... but colour me skeptical :D |
| 12:19.29 | salvin | i've double gdm and X processes |
| 12:19.32 | themill | naz: you might want to subscribed to the DSA list as it was announced on that at the time. |
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| 12:20.10 | CaT[t3] | why would apt-get be ignoring the order I have my mirrors in in my sources.list? |
| 12:20.28 | abrotman | Resnick: the one big thing is nvidia in lenny is kind of messed up |
| 12:20.35 | skeel | i have a software raid array setup in raid 0 on a debian system. the system was running off of a disk that just crashed, but the raid array-disks are not affected. Can I just move the raid-disks to another system and set it up with mdadm without losing all the data? |
| 12:20.35 | abrotman | Resnick: the binary-only nvidia drivers |
| 12:20.40 | ptman | naz: if you run debian server, I really recommend a subscription to the debian-security mailing list and maybe rss subscription to debian-administration.org |
| 12:21.01 | CaT[t3] | or more to the point, why would it be ignoring the packages in the first 2 mirrors I have listed? :/ |
| 12:21.23 | Resnick | abrotman: That's OK. I, fortunately, (? Questionable) have an ATI card. |
| 12:21.35 | themill | CaT[t3]: what do you mean by ignoring? |
| 12:21.42 | abrotman | Resnick: should be okay .. which ati card? |
| 12:22.04 | Resnick | abrotman: 9600 series |
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| 12:22.35 | abrotman | Resnick: i don't think that one needs the fglrx for 3d .. so you should be okay with the radeon driver |
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| 12:22.52 | hatter | crap , am halfway just upgrading the other dekstop to Lenny with nvidia card... shame you werent speaking about this an hour ago :( |
| 12:23.26 | themill | Resnick: the free radeon driver does very nicely for that card as abrotman said. |
| 12:23.34 | hatter | there is no supported way to go back to etch from Lenny ? |
| 12:23.39 | CaT[t3] | themill: well, take libc6. I have another box, pointing at the same mirror as this one and it downloaded the recent update just fine. this box doesn't seem to see the packages. |
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| 12:23.55 | abrotman | !tell Resnick about etch->lenny |
| 12:24.03 | Resnick | abrotman: themill: Good to know :) |
| 12:24.09 | themill | CaT[t3]: what's the output of: apt-cache policy ; apt-cache policy libc6 (use a pastebin) |
| 12:24.30 | themill | hatter: no going back. But /msg dpkg nvidia lenny it's not impossible just more difficult than it should be |
| 12:24.45 | LeVA | hi, anyone knows when will the updated 4.0r4 netinst images will hit the mirros, or the master ftp server? |
| 12:25.01 | naz | ptman hmm... i shall add those to my lists now |
| 12:25.05 | hatter | themill, ok thx |
| 12:25.08 | Resnick | The only thing that is holding me back then is linux-uvc drivers. But if all else fails I will fall back to 4r3 |
| 12:26.02 | marsje | what about the linux-uvc driver? |
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| 12:27.05 | Resnick | marsje: Nothing much. I struggled a little compiling yesterday, but got it to run. Not so much worried about the driver itself, more about my tiredness level and dealing with problems that might arise ;) |
| 12:27.28 | Resnick | abrotman: Thanks for the upgrade info by the way. |
| 12:27.47 | CaT[t3] | themill: hrm... actually n/m. i should've remembered that command myself. I think there's something whacky happening and it's not with apt |
| 12:28.25 | marsje | Resnick: I'm using the uvc driver in ubuntu (cvs-version) and it works fine |
| 12:28.28 | themill | CaT[t3]: I'd go for some strange pinning or different preferred release between the two machines |
| 12:28.45 | themill | CaT[t3]: the output of apt-cache policy will tell you |
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| 12:28.54 | marsje | just wish webcam firmwares would be as easy to upgrade as the driver.. |
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| 12:29.41 | Resnick | marsje: Yeah, I was on Ubuntu a couple of days before I switched, worked great, but the same method for Etch didn't work, but I found some posts through google and sorted it out. |
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| 12:29.59 | Resnick | marsje: Logitech? |
| 12:30.31 | marsje | Resnick: yes |
| 12:30.53 | marsje | Resnick: I had a Quickcam Fusion, and that sucked big time, firmware-wise |
| 12:31.21 | marsje | Resnick: I recently replaced it by a newer Quickcam S5500 and it works better |
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| 12:31.53 | Resnick | marsje: I went through a few cams from them. They all had that timing bug. I found a pro 9000 cheap and it works fine so far |
| 12:32.01 | marsje | Resnick: no more crashes, but I do get black images sometimes... not sure if it's the driver, the firmware or the application |
| 12:32.09 | Resnick | checks it out of paranoia |
| 12:32.33 | marsje | Resnick: shouldn't we be pissed at Logitech? |
| 12:33.05 | Resnick | marsje: Pretty much :) |
| 12:33.08 | marsje | Resnick: it costs us fortunes... maybe they should test better and give us cams that work |
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| 12:33.38 | marsje | Resnick: the reason I picked Logitech again is that now they really seem to try to get it right in linux |
| 12:33.56 | marsje | Resnick: a bit too late maybe... |
| 12:33.59 | bkw | Are there any grep 2.5.3 package available for etch? |
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| 12:35.30 | Resnick | marsje: The thought that counts? :-) |
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| 12:36.19 | marsje | Resnick: I guess :) |
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| 12:37.14 | marsje | Resnick: it feels good that at least you can get in touch with some Logitech people that know linux exists |
| 12:37.23 | vasco | hello i want to export some environement variable, what is the common way for exporting these values at start of my OS ? |
| 12:37.35 | vasco | (for all user) |
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| 12:37.48 | Resnick | Hehe. Presumably as I update to lenny, more recent packages will be available to me through synaptic/aptitude? I was a bit taken a back by gimp 2.2 and other such older packages :D |
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| 12:38.52 | themill | Resnick: stable is called stable for a reason.... newer != better. |
| 12:39.39 | Resnick | themill: I know :D |
| 12:39.41 | opensrcguru | vasco: /etc/bash.bashrc is your friend. |
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| 12:40.04 | Resnick | themill: Have to have the latest toys sometimes though :) |
| 12:40.20 | opensrcguru | vasco: or you may just want to alter the contents /etc/skel to suit your needs. |
| 12:40.38 | themill | vasco: or /etc/environment |
| 12:40.39 | ptman | Resnick: I have a sid chroot set up with schroot, it really helps for getting at the latest software |
| 12:41.00 | vasco | opensrcguru, thank |
| 12:41.15 | vasco | themill, yes this file seems dedicated for the environement variable |
| 12:41.38 | Resnick | Well, I am going to read up, then maybe take the plung into lenny this afternoon. |
| 12:41.51 | opensrcguru | themill: how/where does /etc/environement get sourced? |
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| 12:43.15 | vasco | do you know the commande source? |
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| 12:43.27 | vasco | man source shows me nothing |
| 12:43.36 | themill | vasco: help source |
| 12:43.43 | themill | vasco: (it's a bash internal command) |
| 12:43.45 | Resnick | !tell Resnick about etch->lenny |
| 12:43.55 | Resnick | Closed the tab :| |
| 12:44.06 | themill | opensrcguru: I believe pam reads it in. |
| 12:44.24 | abrotman | !tell Resnick about etch->lenny |
| 12:44.42 | Resnick | abrotman: I have it like 3 times now ;-) |
| 12:44.49 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:44.58 | vasco | themill, you mean source myfile equal . myfile ? |
| 12:45.32 | themill | vasco: yes, but source is bash-only but . is posix shell. (I think...) |
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| 12:46.16 | LemensTS | l |
| 12:46.23 | bkw | hm, compiled rgrep. But I miss rgrep in i compiled bin/ directory. Is rgrep debian specific or can I build grep with that bin? |
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| 12:47.05 | marsje | !tell marsje about etch->lenny |
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| 12:47.19 | bkw | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:47.32 | Jemt | marsje: You can also do /msg dpkg etch->lenny ;) |
| 12:47.35 | robert83a1 | hello, can anyone please tell me under debian 2.6.18 etch, how do I enable connlimit ? |
| 12:47.40 | opensrcguru | themill: ahhh yes. the login,ssh, and su pam moduli all read /etc/envionment.....thanks. |
| 12:47.54 | themill | :) |
| 12:47.57 | Jemt | robert83a1: Connection Limit? On Debian ? |
| 12:47.57 | marsje | hehe |
| 12:47.59 | marsje | ok |
| 12:48.08 | marsje | such an advanced irc channel... |
| 12:48.10 | robert83a1 | Jemt : yes, module ipt_connlimit |
| 12:48.25 | Resnick | abrotman: When it says nonlocal, does that mean I should keep the "80218-14:15]/ etch contrib main" entry, and change all the http address/entry lines? |
| 12:48.25 | Resnick | " |
| 12:48.27 | marsje | !do wash car |
| 12:48.27 | dpkg | reluctantly agrees to do wash car |
| 12:48.36 | marsje | kewl :) |
| 12:48.45 | Jemt | robert83a1: Sorry, don't know of any connection limit to Debian. Maybe on a server tool |
| 12:48.54 | marsje | it's the silver one, dpkg |
| 12:49.04 | Jemt | !do me |
| 12:49.04 | dpkg | eagerly does jemt |
| 12:49.09 | Resnick | :D |
| 12:49.09 | Jemt | :-S |
| 12:49.20 | robert83a1 | Jemt : see this http://www.ilikespam.com/blog/tcp-connection-limiting-on-sarge , only it's outdated |
| 12:49.24 | marsje | all technology gets abused eventually |
| 12:49.26 | LemensTS | jent: dont want to know what that did to u |
| 12:49.33 | Jemt | marsje: Hehe, yeah :) |
| 12:49.40 | Jemt | LemensTS: Hehe ;) |
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| 12:50.18 | abrotman | Resnick: you probably have two or three http deb sources right ? |
| 12:50.20 | robert83a1 | question : can one apt-get dist-upgrade from etch to sid ? |
| 12:50.27 | Jemt | robert83a1: I see. That's probably IPTables you want to mess around with - not "Debian" :) |
| 12:50.27 | robert83a1 | if one changes the sources.list in apt |
| 12:50.36 | themill | robert83a1: best to go via lenny |
| 12:50.44 | Jemt | robert83a1: Can't help you there. IPTables is very advanced. I never fiddle with it |
| 12:50.52 | robert83a1 | themill : lenny? |
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| 12:51.08 | themill | robert83a1: also, if you have to ask, you shouldn't... |
| 12:51.17 | Resnick | abrotman: Correct. And the net install disk is listed. |
| 12:51.21 | Jemt | robert83a1: Upgrade etch to lenny and lenny to sid |
| 12:51.28 | robert83a1 | ok |
| 12:51.30 | robert83a1 | got it |
| 12:51.56 | Jemt | And remember; sid is considered unstable. #debian mainly suppors stable (Etch) |
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| 12:52.04 | shah | jemt: How to Upgrade etch to lenny and lenny to sid |
| 12:52.04 | Jemt | supporst* |
| 12:52.07 | Jemt | supports* |
| 12:52.26 | Jemt | shah: As themill wisely said; if you have to ask, then don't do it |
| 12:52.39 | CaT[t3] | poo. the mirrors.kernel.org rsync service is broken. |
| 12:52.47 | Jemt | !dist-upgrade |
| 12:52.48 | dpkg | dist-upgrade tells apt to also install or remove packages when handling dependencies; some security updates to stable require a dist-upgrade to install (they introduce new packages). Dist-upgrade does not mean changing from stable to testing; aptitude in Lenny has renamed dist-upgrade to full-upgrade to remove this confusion. Read man apt-get carefully. Also see <why not dist upgrade>, <sarge->etch>, <etch->lenny>, or <full-upgrade> |
| 12:53.05 | Jemt | !full-upgrade |
| 12:53.05 | dpkg | it has been said that full-upgrade is the new name for "dist-upgrade" in aptitude from lenny onwards. Remember that "dist-upgrade" is not about moving from one release to another but installing new packages (ask me about <dist-upgrade>); read man apt-get carefully. Some security fixes will require a "full-upgrade" not just a "safe-upgrade" to apply. Ask me about <why not dist upgrade> <dist-upgrade> <safe-upgrade><apt-listchanges> |
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| 12:53.50 | Jemt | shah: Something to begin with |
| 12:53.50 | themill | considers the merits of putting a cluefulness test on the sid packages lists... |
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| 12:54.35 | Osiris__ | hey all |
| 12:54.50 | Osiris__ | The problem I have is, my iptables config file looks like this : http://pastebin.com/m3dce95c2 but all ports need to be closed on eth0 except port 1935 and port 80, anyone who can help me? |
| 12:55.33 | Jemt | Osiris__: You might not want a front-end for IPTables, but if you do then check out Firestarter |
| 12:55.39 | Jemt | may |
| 12:56.06 | Osiris__ | can it run without x-windows on the machine itself? |
| 12:56.10 | Jemt | It's graphical though, so might not be handy for servers |
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| 12:56.28 | Jemt | No, you may use "ssh -x" to start it, but it will still need X |
| 12:56.45 | Jemt | Osiris__: Actually, that's how I do it on my server |
| 12:57.31 | Osiris__ | ok Jemt, thx I will try it then |
| 12:58.05 | Resnick | I have a couple of extra repositories in my sources list. Should I just comment out everything except the deb and deb-src entires? |
| 12:58.19 | Resnick | (Then to be changed to lenny of course) |
| 12:59.52 | Resnick | should have looked at the file before modifying it :| |
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| 13:05.02 | abrotman | Resnick: you can put them in a pastebin if that's easier |
| 13:05.15 | abrotman | Resnick: then someone can look at them |
| 13:05.28 | Resnick | abrotman: One second. |
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| 13:09.02 | Resnick | http://rafb.net/p/iBCGlg41.html Presumably the first two that contain only 'main' are the ones I should be looking at to leave in. |
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| 13:09.54 | Resnick | I blame the flash player plugin :-o |
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| 13:10.41 | abrotman | Resnick: you can delete lines 1-6 and then replace "etch" with "lenny" on 8-10 |
| 13:10.47 | abrotman | eh .. wait |
| 13:10.49 | abrotman | not quite |
| 13:10.58 | abrotman | comment out line 10 |
| 13:11.12 | abrotman | are you going to want source packages maybe? |
| 13:11.22 | Resnick | Possibly |
| 13:11.35 | abrotman | okay .. comment out everything except 8 and 9 |
| 13:11.44 | Resnick | I will have to make the uvc module etc. |
| 13:11.58 | abrotman | then copy/paste line 9 and make the new line be a 'deb-src' instead of 'deb' |
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| 13:12.10 | abrotman | and change all references from 'etch' to 'lenny' |
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| 13:12.22 | Resnick | abrotman: Alright. Lets give this a whack. |
| 13:12.37 | abrotman | and you can paste it again if you want me to double check before you do the dist-upgrade |
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| 13:12.52 | Resnick | abrotman: Good idea :) |
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| 13:14.26 | mifritscher- | are there any plans to put abiword 2.6 into lenny? |
| 13:14.43 | themill | !why is abiword not in testing |
| 13:14.44 | dpkg | abiword is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=abiword |
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| 13:14.44 | wols | lenny is frozen apparently |
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| 13:14.59 | ronr | hi, I use shorewall to do port forwarding to a mailserver, this works fine for port 25, but it doesn't work for 143 (imap). A portscan shows the port as open (the machine running running shorewall has nothing running on 143), but when I connect to it it seems to 'hang', tcpdump shows incoming traffic on 143 on the shorewall machine but nothing on the mailserver. Any ideas? |
| 13:15.03 | Resnick | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/0RGaey69.html |
| 13:15.18 | abrotman | moment |
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| 13:15.38 | mifritscher- | so it'll only in backports.org (or similiar?) :-( |
| 13:15.39 | Resnick | abrotman: No problem. Appriciate the help. |
| 13:16.00 | mifritscher- | hmm, why is abiword compiled without formulas? |
| 13:16.07 | themill | mifritscher-: the maintainer left it until the last possible minute to upload the package, but there is a freeze exception for it. It will probably go in next week |
| 13:16.07 | mifritscher- | 2.4 is without, whereas 2.6 is |
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| 13:16.47 | ronr | btw, going directly to the mailserver, connecting to the imap port works good |
| 13:16.53 | mifritscher- | ah, very good :-))) |
| 13:17.07 | mifritscher- | btw, I use it on a j720 with strongarm |
| 13:17.15 | abrotman | Resnick: looks fine |
| 13:17.18 | mifritscher- | are strongarm now supported by armel or not? |
| 13:17.27 | mifritscher- | (arm4 vs arm4t) |
| 13:17.28 | abrotman | Resnick: eh .. add "non-free" to the security line |
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| 13:17.58 | mifritscher- | the only site I found described only different options to deal with it |
| 13:18.26 | Resnick | abrotman: Written to file. Now and apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade ... perhaps a small amount of prayer :) |
| 13:19.11 | Resnick | I will log out and stop gdm. I hopefully should be back in a little while. Thanks for the help abrotman. |
| 13:19.47 | Resnick | No last "Oh, wait!"s? |
| 13:20.35 | Resnick | slowly moves pointer to logout |
| 13:20.56 | abrotman | Resnick: i recomment aptitude |
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| 13:21.01 | abrotman | recommend |
| 13:21.20 | Resnick | abrotman: Yeah, I just read that earlier. Will do. Back in a bit. |
| 13:21.25 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:22.33 | Nyle | good morning |
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| 13:23.59 | b_jonas | !backports |
| 13:24.00 | dpkg | backport is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 13:25.15 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 13:25.53 | SamuraiDio | how can i add a proxy for the whole system, i mean, i want to access internet by a proxy for aptitude, torrent, etc... |
| 13:25.54 | rvsjoen | is there any reason a _huge_ number of files generated on the file system would cause linux not to boot ? |
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| 13:26.31 | wols | SamuraiDio: a VPN |
| 13:26.33 | mifritscher- | rvsjoen: yes, if all inodes are full |
| 13:26.42 | wols | rvsjoen: not really |
| 13:26.52 | wols | mifritscher-: what won't stop booting |
| 13:27.04 | rvsjoen | it just hangs after setting up the swap partition |
| 13:27.16 | disposable | i've noticed that the new etchnhalf kernel does not come in vserver version. will it? |
| 13:27.21 | rvsjoen | lots of disk activity, tried leaving it for 2 hours |
| 13:27.43 | rvsjoen | also deleting the files but deleting 20% has now been around 1:30 minutes |
| 13:28.03 | rvsjoen | was thinking about some kind of dcache thrashing or something |
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| 13:30.41 | rvsjoen | the next test will definately be running on a separate disk on xfs or reiser ^^ right now Im just trying to figure out why this happens |
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| 13:32.14 | SamuraiDio | wols, sorry... |
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| 13:34.08 | abrotman | disposable: you could email the debian-kernel mailing list and ask them |
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| 13:35.49 | themill | disposable: check the wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 13:36.17 | wols | SamuraiDio: why? |
| 13:36.22 | rvsjoen | which fs is better for tons of small files and directories, with good concurrency support ? I read that reiser is very good at small files but not so good with concurrent access |
| 13:36.24 | langenberg | I would like to monitor my server's memory and cpu usage with something like MRTG, but is it really required to run a have apache/perl setup for this? |
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| 13:37.00 | wols | langenberg: no. apache/perl is for the presentation |
| 13:37.07 | disposable | abrotman: themill: thank you |
| 13:37.43 | langenberg | wols: Installing perl isn't really a problem, but I don't want to install apache, since I've already got a running nginx setup. |
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| 13:39.46 | perfector | what is the name of the kernel source package? |
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| 13:41.02 | rvsjoen | linux-source-<version> |
| 13:41.04 | langenberg | wols: So basically I can use a cron job to kick mrtg to generate a graph using perl. The graph gets shoved in some public folder, which is getting served by Nginx? |
| 13:41.13 | wols | perfector: apt-cache show linux-image-<version> |
| 13:41.15 | wols | that tells you |
| 13:41.32 | wols | langenberg: I doubt it but you can try |
| 13:41.43 | perfector | hey wols |
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| 13:42.05 | perfector | thx |
| 13:42.10 | langenberg | wols: Why? Is mrtg married to apache? |
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| 13:42.41 | wols | mod_perl probably |
| 13:42.42 | themill | langenberg: why are you saying that mrtg requires apache? |
| 13:42.52 | rvsjoen | the reiserfs modules in unstable are not reiser4, correct ? |
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| 13:43.05 | abrotman | rvsjoen: it'd be whatever version is in the kernel .. |
| 13:43.08 | langenberg | themill: http://www.debianadmin.com/mrtg-installation-and-configuration-in-debian-based-distributions-2.html |
| 13:43.16 | abrotman | hopes reiserfs disappears soon |
| 13:43.32 | cromag | rmfs reiserfs |
| 13:43.33 | cromag | done |
| 13:43.37 | langenberg | requirement: "Apache 2 Installation with perl support" |
| 13:43.44 | themill | langenberg: well look at the package itself. It doesn't depend on one and it only suggests any httpd or a web browser. |
| 13:43.45 | Trewas | langenberg: mrtg only suggests "httpd | www-browser", and no word of apache, so it should even without a web server and you can still browse the graphs from the local disk directly |
| 13:43.58 | langenberg | Oh that's great :) |
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| 13:44.28 | langenberg | That's exactly where I'm looking for. I pity those tutorials :P |
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| 13:44.47 | themill | langenberg: debianadmin.com is the debian equivalent of ubuntu forums. Some of the things are good and some of the things are absolute crap. What that article does specifically might require mod_perl, but the package in general does not. |
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| 13:46.01 | themill | langenberg: also note that the article is quite old... things do change over time (although the deps for mrtg have not changed) |
| 13:46.49 | langenberg | themill: where should I look for better tutorials? |
| 13:47.58 | themill | langenberg: debian-administration.org usually has better articles. But it's always better to understand things yourself than blindly follow a tutorial. e.g. when it says "requirement: apache+perl" ask yourself "why?" and check the packages (apt-cache show mrtg or http://packages.debian.org/mrtg) |
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| 13:48.34 | langenberg | I see :) |
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| 13:56.26 | deego | I don't see a 2.6.24-k7 ... Do the "686" kernels 2.6.24 onwards include support for k7 and amd? |
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| 13:57.09 | deego | It seems that 25-k7 "depends" on 686 now... how's that possible? aren't they different architectures? |
| 13:57.30 | themill | !k7 deprecated |
| 13:57.31 | dpkg | k7 dropped is probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 Use the -686 kernel images instead. |
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| 13:58.47 | deego | thanks, reading that.. Can I now install amd64 if I have a k7? |
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| 13:59.26 | SyL | is there a place that I can read the what packages were updated on what day? |
| 13:59.49 | SyL | deego: no... AMD64 is a different CPU then a k7 |
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| 13:59.56 | spiekey | hi |
| 14:00.01 | deego | thanks |
| 14:00.09 | spiekey | how can i install apache2 again? Purging the rest |
| 14:00.34 | spiekey | when i do: apt-get install apache2, then it wont create my /etc/apache2 files anymore :-/ |
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| 14:01.59 | themill | !confmiss |
| 14:01.59 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
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| 14:04.57 | g00se | The end of dmesg give "ppdev0: registered pardevice" followed by "ppdev0: unregistered pardevice" about twenty times. What could be the prob? |
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| 14:17.48 | gizmokaka | i have a ques that is partly java and partly Debian, though i believe my problem is more related to Debian then java |
| 14:18.13 | gizmokaka | i am trying to read a system variable i defined. it's in .bashrc for both users i have |
| 14:18.34 | gizmokaka | when i try to read it, i can't see it(say in eclipse) |
| 14:18.35 | gizmokaka | but |
| 14:18.56 | gizmokaka | if i run eclipse from the command line, then it does recognize all available variables |
| 14:19.19 | gizmokaka | facts: eclipse executable is in a dir which it's owner is root recursively |
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| 14:19.31 | gizmokaka | i run the eclipse with a regular user |
| 14:19.38 | gizmokaka | any ideas? |
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| 14:19.48 | themill | gizmokaka: .bashrc and .bash_profile are not normally sourced for your X session. |
| 14:19.56 | mnvl | since upgrading to lenny recently, totem (both totem-xine and totem-gstreamer) play all video and audio files w/o any audio output, alhtough mplayer and firefox have sound |
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| 14:20.05 | mnvl | does anyone have any idea why? |
| 14:20.31 | gizmokaka | yeh i know, but after source, i mean if i echo in the window it shows, |
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| 14:20.46 | gizmokaka | themill: also it's working if run from terminal |
| 14:20.55 | gizmokaka | mnvl: yes |
| 14:20.57 | themill | gizmokaka: indeed. When you start a terminal, .bashrc is sourced. |
| 14:20.58 | gizmokaka | and how to solve |
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| 14:21.18 | gizmokaka | i know, i also sourced it, it's working from the terminal itself |
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| 14:21.32 | gizmokaka | and if i run eclipse from a terminal it also works |
| 14:21.44 | gizmokaka | only if i run the eclipse from the launcher it doesn't |
| 14:21.44 | mnvl | gizmokaka: what do you think the prob is ? |
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| 14:22.07 | gizmokaka | mnvl: i think maybe the fact that i am running a root owned exe with a regular user |
| 14:22.09 | gizmokaka | but |
| 14:22.18 | abrotman | themill: i thought one of them was .. for non-login sessions |
| 14:22.25 | abrotman | eh .. nevermind |
| 14:22.25 | gizmokaka | it only read op that i am doing and it's allowed for all |
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| 14:22.42 | themill | abrotman: I don't think anything in the x startup sequence reads .bashrc though |
| 14:22.48 | abrotman | themill: i misread as xterm |
| 14:22.55 | themill | ok |
| 14:23.09 | mnvl | gizmokaka: i think you are talking about your eclipse problem, and not my totem problem :) |
| 14:23.11 | themill | yes. that is all consistent with what I have said. If you run it from the launcher, the bashrc is is not sourced, if you run it from the terminal .bashrc is sourced in the process of starting the terminal hence the variable is defined. |
| 14:23.36 | themill | gizmokaka: what window manager do you use? |
| 14:23.57 | gizmokaka | gnome, well at work it's gnome, at home it's fluxbox |
| 14:24.00 | gizmokaka | is that related? |
| 14:24.21 | gizmokaka | mnvl: true spoke of my prob, didn't notice you asked something |
| 14:24.55 | gizmokaka | I don't use lenny yet, still on etch |
| 14:24.58 | darkterror46 | could someone tell me where the ethernet driver is configured ? please? |
| 14:25.21 | gizmokaka | themill: i use gnome, is that related? |
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| 14:26.08 | themill | gizmokaka: of course. You need to set the environment variable in a place that gnome is looking for it. NFC where that is though. |
| 14:26.35 | gizmokaka | well you say it's not something just in a terminal? |
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| 14:27.47 | mbroeker | darkterror46, /etc/network/interfaces for tcp-ip settings or /etc/modprobe.d/ for custom settings like options sis900 dma=1 or whatever... |
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| 14:28.17 | slad1 | Hi! Fdisk shows /dev/sda3 as the only partition on the disk. Can I change the number to /dev/sda1? |
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| 14:30.39 | mbroeker | slad1, slad1 can you paste fdisk -l /dev/sda ? |
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| 14:31.41 | themill | gizmokaka: if this is relevant to all users, you could set it in /etc/environment. see http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 14:31.52 | mordy | hello all |
| 14:32.08 | mbroeker | slad1, http://rafb.net/p/1l32pT91.html that's my usb stick: if i delete sda1 and try to rename sda2 to sda1 i will have some problems... |
| 14:32.23 | darkterror46 | mbroeker how can i identify the ethernet driver loaded when i don't have nothing in /etc/modprobe.d/ ? |
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| 14:33.06 | mbroeker | darkterror46, its normal to not have a custom file there. it's optional and the name doesn't matter |
| 14:33.22 | darkterror46 | ok thank you mbroeker |
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| 14:33.58 | darkterror46 | mbroeker: i need to know each driver i have loaded so that i can configure it to support bridged connections |
| 14:34.09 | gizmokaka | themill: will editing the .profile help? |
| 14:34.11 | mbroeker | darkterror46, try dmesg | grep eth0 |
| 14:34.16 | themill | gizmokaka: no |
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| 14:34.18 | Resnick | abrotman: Well ... that was easy :D |
| 14:34.28 | darkterror46 | :-D thank you very much mbroeker |
| 14:34.32 | mbroeker | darkterror46, eth0: SiS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet at 0xd400, IRQ 16, 00:13:8f:11:61:6e thats my line |
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| 14:35.31 | darkterror46 | i didn't get any line like that |
| 14:35.33 | Resnick | I have some final things to do. But otherwise I am set. back later. |
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| 14:35.43 | wols | slad1: if you edit the partition table, you can yes |
| 14:36.26 | gizmokaka | themill: it sais that in some forums |
| 14:36.38 | gizmokaka | so what should i edit? can't find the gnome file to edit |
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| 14:38.20 | slad1 | mbroeker: I added a partition and reordered the numbers with fdisk "f" command. Now windows won't boot and I want to revert back. |
| 14:38.45 | slad1 | wols: Can fdisk do it? |
| 14:38.55 | wols | afaik no |
| 14:38.56 | kbingham | i seem to have an out of date git version (1.4.4.4) apt-get install git-core says i'm on the latest version. My sources.list is fudged because its a corporate machine, and someone else installed it. What repository should I put in my sources.list to get an up to date versoni of packages ? |
| 14:39.19 | wols | kbingham: what debian do you run? |
| 14:39.29 | kbingham | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 14:39.38 | kbingham | wols: not currently sure how do i find out ? |
| 14:39.39 | themill | dpkg: tell kbingham about bpo |
| 14:39.43 | wols | !version |
| 14:39.44 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 14:39.57 | themill | kbingham: you probably want to use "etch" not "stable" in those lines too. |
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| 14:40.22 | kbingham | cat /etc/debian_version : 4.0 |
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| 14:40.45 | kbingham | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1 |
| 14:40.45 | kbingham | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 14:40.46 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -n 1 |
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| 14:41.03 | slad1 | mbroeker: http://pastebin.com/d243d2d15 There is space befor sda3 and I'd like it to be sda1 and sda3 should be sda2 again as before. :) |
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| 14:41.44 | kbingham | themill: whats bpo ... |
| 14:41.48 | kbingham | !bop |
| 14:41.53 | kbingham | !bpo |
| 14:41.53 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 14:42.02 | kbingham | aha i see |
| 14:42.13 | themill | that's what dpkg just told you, yes. |
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| 14:42.20 | wols | !tell kbingham about selftell |
| 14:42.26 | mbroeker | slad1, the short story: a partition starts at a sector and ends at another sector. that is relevant for the operating system. the name doesn't matter (sda1 or sda5 or so). but sda1 must start at sector 1 and sda3 should not start before sda1 :) |
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| 14:42.51 | wols | mbroeker: not true. it matters a lot to windows |
| 14:42.57 | wols | and to linux too sometimes |
| 14:43.07 | mbroeker | wols, you know what i mean. |
| 14:43.20 | wols | it's still wrong |
| 14:43.23 | mbroeker | to change a line in grub from sda4 to sda2 is not a big problem |
| 14:43.23 | themill | kbingham: the version of git you have is the one that is in debian stable. If you want newer, then look at backports.org and you might find a newer version (you will for git-core, as it happens) |
| 14:43.23 | El_Presidente | hi, i did a dist update today on my server now ssh does not work anymore :( i just can connect via webmin to my server ( i restarted ssh server through it but no success) |
| 14:43.24 | kbingham | thanks wols, themill - didn't see the dpkg im window telling me stuff :) |
| 14:43.54 | gizmokaka | i can't find anywhere a help, nothing said works |
| 14:44.06 | themill | gizmokaka: have you tried /etc/environment? |
| 14:44.11 | gizmokaka | anyone has a clue how do i set a env var for gome? |
| 14:44.14 | gizmokaka | no |
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| 14:44.23 | slad1 | mbroeker: Thanks a lot! :) |
| 14:44.32 | themill | gizmokaka: [15:31] <themill> gizmokaka: if this is relevant to all users, you could set it in /etc/environment. see http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
| 14:45.25 | themill | gizmokaka: otherwise it will be one of .xsession, .xinitrc, or possibly .gnomerc. But as I said, I don't do gnome and ~/.kde/env/ is obviously not going to help you here... |
| 14:45.26 | gizmokaka | thanks, missed that |
| 14:45.40 | gizmokaka | :) |
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| 14:45.49 | gizmokaka | well .gnomerc isn't there |
| 14:45.53 | gizmokaka | it's wierd |
| 14:46.04 | slad1 | mbroeker: I don' use grub on that disk. |
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| 14:47.32 | slad1 | mbroeker: Windows NTLDR can't find the partition anymore. So I need to change the number |
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| 14:48.10 | mbroeker | slad1, as long as the start and end sector matches, the name doesnt matter to "mount it" |
| 14:48.16 | gizmokaka | themill: i added the line RUNNER_ROOT="/usr/local/aqua/runner" |
| 14:48.17 | gizmokaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:48.26 | slad1 | wols: Thanks, I'll look into it. |
| 14:48.30 | mbroeker | but wols is right, windows and linux have problems with it, slad1 |
| 14:48.35 | themill | gizmokaka: did you log out and then log back in? |
| 14:48.49 | gizmokaka | ooooops |
| 14:48.53 | slad1 | mbroeker: Well I hope I can fix it since NTLDR has some aversion against my sata disk :) |
| 14:48.56 | wols | mbroeker: if you are booting from it only usually |
| 14:49.06 | themill | gizmokaka: basically all of these files are only read once... on login. |
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| 14:49.35 | gizmokaka | yes so it might have worked before :-/ |
| 14:49.43 | gizmokaka | well i will check it and return |
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| 14:50.57 | mbroeker | slad1, write down the start end end sector, 269 and 38913, delete the partition, create a new one (sda1) and enter the same sectors for start end-sectors. |
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| 14:51.37 | mbroeker | slad1, copy all relevant data to a secure place and reinstall. :) |
| 14:51.38 | wols | one better writes down cyl, head and sector too |
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| 14:51.55 | slad1 | mbroeker: OK, I'll do that if it fails. :) Thanks. I have a clone of it creatied with ntfsprogs. |
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| 14:52.16 | th0f | hi |
| 14:52.37 | slad1 | wols: will do, thanks :) |
| 14:52.58 | mbroeker | slad1, don't forget the magic t 7 before saving the partiton table :) |
| 14:53.21 | mbroeker | or t->1->7 |
| 14:53.38 | mordy | ntldr not finding anything? first i've heard of that. most times it's that ntldr itself can't be found |
| 14:54.22 | a-9 | Would opera be on non-free repositóries ? |
| 14:54.28 | slad1 | mordy: I get /root/hal not found. |
| 14:54.55 | mordy | slad1 - on windows? |
| 14:55.00 | slad1 | xp, yes |
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| 14:55.42 | mordy | weird lol |
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| 14:55.57 | wols | slad1: wrong channel |
| 14:56.00 | slad1 | mbroeker: nagic t 7 ? |
| 14:56.23 | slad1 | wols: what would the right one be? |
| 14:56.32 | mordy | i guess windows |
| 14:56.48 | mbroeker | slad1, when creating a new partion with fdisk, it defaults to type 83 (Linux) |
| 14:56.51 | slad1 | mordy: I know, I just wanted to know how I can edit the number |
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| 14:57.05 | wols | ##windows |
| 14:57.07 | slad1 | mbroeker: I use gparted for that. :) |
| 14:57.36 | slad1 | wols: I'll ask there I guess, I forgot about that. :) |
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| 14:58.31 | slad1 | Thank you! |
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| 14:58.58 | slad1 | ahoy rebooting |
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| 15:01.31 | mordy | hehe, i wanted to comment a bit more on ntldr |
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| 15:06.19 | Resnick | Somethings a miss in a etch -> lenny upgrade. http://rafb.net/p/y1cgLQ97.html But this is the only complaint the system made, so I am pretty pleased. |
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| 15:07.37 | themill | Resnick: that's listed in the BTS (somewhere)... |
| 15:08.05 | Resnick | themill: Alright, on that :) Thanks |
| 15:08.39 | themill | !dbugs 482140 |
| 15:08.43 | dpkg | #482140:S[docbook-xml] docbook-xml: Package does not install: update-xmlcatalog: error: entity already registered; Tue, 20 May 2008 23:15:02 UTC |
| 15:09.53 | Resnick | Looks about right. |
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| 15:13.30 | harpal | How to check if interface is Up or Down using command line? |
| 15:14.30 | Resnick | harpal: ifconfig I believe. |
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| 15:16.29 | harpal | Resnick: it shows same thing in both interface, one is up and second is down |
| 15:17.27 | cr3rzemjest | !haha |
| 15:17.27 | dpkg | laughs!! that's funny cr3rzemjest! |
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| 15:19.09 | Resnick | harpal: Sorry. I am not sure what you're asking. ifconfig will report the status of your interfces, and I believe you can use ifconfig to set it Down or Up. |
| 15:19.11 | balasyum | hi |
| 15:19.23 | balasyum | I created a user with --disabled-login, however I can log into |
| 15:19.27 | balasyum | what to do? |
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| 15:19.44 | sobersabre | hi. |
| 15:19.53 | sobersabre | I am trying to enforce ulimit stuff. |
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| 15:20.32 | sobersabre | I am using the ulimit means of bash |
| 15:20.34 | rvsjoen | which would give better performance, two ide drives on the same bus, or one on each bus ? |
| 15:20.48 | sobersabre | in the /etc/profile script |
| 15:20.51 | mifritscher | do you mean the ide-bus |
| 15:20.57 | rvsjoen | yes |
| 15:20.57 | mifritscher | one on each |
| 15:21.01 | Resnick | balasyum: You want the account for the user, but to have it inaccessable? |
| 15:21.04 | sobersabre | I have added sourcing of special file, which runs ulimit -t 100 |
| 15:21.08 | balasyum | Resnick, yes |
| 15:21.15 | rvsjoen | ok, thats what I thought. thanks |
| 15:21.23 | sobersabre | This means, as I understand it, that the processes won't live more than 100 seconds. |
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| 15:21.48 | sobersabre | If I am logging into the system as the targetted limited user, I can see the limits via ulimit -a |
| 15:21.55 | Resnick | balasyum: I will help in a second if I can. I am currently borking my system ;) I thinks it's a simple command but I forgot it :| |
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| 15:22.06 | sobersabre | but, some how when running stuff via mpi, etc. the limit is NOT imposed. |
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| 15:22.21 | unixSnob | is curious why debian treats the firewire bus as a network interface |
| 15:22.24 | balasyum | thank you, Resnick |
| 15:22.45 | sobersabre | I suspect that under certain conditions, like SSH execution the system doesn't source /etc/profile |
| 15:22.57 | mifritscher | unixSnob, you can use firewire as a network interface |
| 15:22.57 | sobersabre | I am kinda lost, since I thought it would be read always. |
| 15:23.12 | marsje | I didn't realize 4.0r4 aka etchnhalf was out |
| 15:23.13 | sobersabre | Do I have to add some configuration options to sshd_config |
| 15:23.22 | mifritscher | for connecting 2 computers |
| 15:23.23 | unixSnob | mifritscher: are there network appliances that use firewire? |
| 15:23.29 | unixSnob | ah, ok |
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| 15:23.52 | WormFood | I use firewire to connect extra hard drives to my computer :D |
| 15:24.01 | Resnick | balasyum: If you look around 'man usermod', you will find what you are after. Ithink it's 'usermod -L' but don't quote me :) |
| 15:24.03 | mifritscher | there is a kernel-module firewire-network or something like that |
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| 15:27.03 | Resnick | Thanks for the bug point out themill. I reinstalled the one package that was holding the system up and it seems to have settled down nicely. |
| 15:28.26 | harpal | Resnick: I want to check if interface is up or not, I dont want to check if its up or not? |
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| 15:29.16 | Resnick | is a little stumped. |
| 15:29.24 | Resnick | Not sure :| Sorry |
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| 15:30.45 | sladi | wols: Windows XP doesn't mind the number it seems. I can boot it fine now. :) |
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| 15:31.15 | mifritscher | harpal: if its up then it is in the ifconfig-list |
| 15:31.19 | sladi | mbroeker: Just ignoring the number worked. Thanks :) |
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| 15:32.50 | rwaite | i am considering "pinning" testing in my etch installation. is this feasible or recommended? |
| 15:32.53 | konadr_ | where can i grab the small cds besides here? http://www.us.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
| 15:32.59 | mbroeker | sladi, after you have renamed it to sda1 it seems to work? |
| 15:33.18 | harpal | mifritscher: Thats not true, I have 2 interface, one is connected to Lan and second is not connected, no cable is connected but still it shows in ifconfig list |
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| 15:33.26 | sladi | mbroeker: No, I didn't rename it, it's still sda3, but it works. :) |
| 15:33.41 | mifritscher | harpal: there are 2 definitions of "up" ;) |
| 15:33.48 | harpal | mifritscher: ifconfig list shows you interface configured |
| 15:33.57 | mordy | where can i find the sisusbvga source? |
| 15:33.58 | mifritscher | yep |
| 15:34.03 | mifritscher | up=configured |
| 15:34.07 | mbroeker | sladi, well, good work, guy... |
| 15:34.22 | mifritscher | whether its connected can only answer the kernel |
| 15:34.25 | mifritscher | try ethertool |
| 15:34.36 | harpal | mifritscher: ok But I want if its connected or not |
| 15:34.46 | harpal | mifritscher: Ok Just checking |
| 15:34.46 | mifritscher | ethertool can say that I think |
| 15:35.30 | sladi | mbroeker: Thanks ^^ |
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| 15:36.58 | minerale | is there a way to see which processes are slowing down IO ? |
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| 15:37.23 | Resnick | Alright. On the run again. Talk to you guys later. |
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| 15:39.04 | minerale | I have a process that's apprently killing my IO (but not my cpu) an I can't find it |
| 15:39.21 | harpal | mifritscher: Hey it shows in ifconfig also, See you have RUNNING keyword in ifconfig for interface which is connected and if its not connected than it doesnt show that |
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| 15:39.39 | harpal | mifritscher: Thanks a lot |
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| 15:41.17 | peterrooney | minerale: IIRC, sar and sysstat are tools for such I/O detective work. |
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| 15:49.59 | mordy | why is iceweasel eating up 30% of my CPU? |
| 15:50.35 | peterrooney | mordy: flash? |
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| 15:52.52 | mordy | peterrooney - just a regular text html page |
| 15:53.56 | mordy | peterrooney - like this http://www.gelato.unsw.edu.au/lxr/source/drivers/usb/misc/sisusbvga/Kconfig?a=i386 |
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| 15:57.13 | boris- | hello |
| 15:57.26 | adama | !hello |
| 15:57.27 | dpkg | Hi, adama! |
| 15:57.33 | boris- | im getting 404 not found error with debian netinstall i386 |
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| 15:58.03 | rwaite | okay, so if a package depdends on >= a certain version in testing ... and etch has lower than that version, i cant install the lenny pkg in etch? |
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| 15:58.22 | boris- | by the way, how hard is debian to install ? i did manage to install arch, and i dont have wifi, just an ati gfx card |
| 15:58.25 | mordy | boris - where are yuou getting the error? when you want to download the installer? or when you're already in the installer, and it wants to download more installation files? |
| 15:58.38 | boris- | http://laotzu.acc.umu.se/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:58.50 | mordy | boris, try a different mirror then |
| 15:59.01 | mordy | try german servers |
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| 15:59.44 | mordy | boris- depends on the computer you're installing on. sometimes it's a breeze, but sometimes it's a pain in the ass, especially if you're not doing a conventional install. if you have a fast connection, the best thing would be to do a full cd install |
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| 16:00.17 | boris- | which debian version is "unstable" ? |
| 16:00.20 | boris- | etch ? lenny ? |
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| 16:01.26 | a-9 | boris-: etch is stable |
| 16:01.37 | boris- | sid ? |
| 16:01.51 | a-9 | lenny is in the middle of stable and unstalbe |
| 16:02.04 | boris- | ok lenny then |
| 16:02.05 | boris- | ty |
| 16:02.07 | a-9 | sid is unstable |
| 16:02.37 | sladi | boris-: Lenny will become stable soon. |
| 16:03.15 | sladi | boris-: Then it will receive security updates only and new software should be available via backports |
| 16:03.24 | boris- | for christ's sake someone give me a link to 180 mb iso please |
| 16:03.28 | boris- | on Slovenia server |
| 16:03.38 | boris- | im L o s t |
| 16:03.58 | rwaite | i wish there were more backports |
| 16:04.07 | twobitwork | good morning #debian |
| 16:04.08 | boris- | contents i396 diff, contents i386.gz and so on |
| 16:04.14 | a-9 | I am using lenny, but when it became stable, if I want to keep the versions of the packages (whithout steeping into the "new" lenny) what should I do ? |
| 16:04.15 | mordy | sladi - how did the boot go? |
| 16:04.40 | boris- | does debian support xfs ? |
| 16:04.58 | sladi | mordy: works fine :) |
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| 16:05.06 | py_ | hello |
| 16:05.09 | avu | a-9, just be sure to use 'lenny', not 'testing' in nyour sources.list |
| 16:05.14 | cahoot | a-9: stick to lenny as opposed to testing in sources.list |
| 16:05.20 | rwaite | a-9: simply reference it as 'lenny' in sources.list |
| 16:05.28 | mordy | boris - try this http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:05.36 | sladi | mordy: xp doesn't mind bein on sda3 instead of sda2 now |
| 16:05.56 | mordy | sladi - you could have just tried some special boot parameters and have it load hal.sys |
| 16:06.03 | boris- | mordy: thank you |
| 16:06.28 | py_ | I've a sêcial process which is started from inittab, with "respawn". It works very well (I need the "respawn" feature), the only concern is that it is started quite late in the boot process. I would like to have it started earlier, but it does not seem to be configurable. Is their a way to achiever this? |
| 16:06.32 | mordy | hehe, if it can't find hal.sys, then tell it where it is :p |
| 16:06.39 | a-9 | avu cahoot rwaite but the lenny now will not be the etch in a short time ? Shouldn't I then change the sources.list to etch ? |
| 16:06.54 | avu | a-9, no |
| 16:06.59 | avu | a-9, lenny will always be lenny |
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| 16:07.17 | sladi | mordy: you mean in grub? I'm not through this yet I guess. I want to install grub to the mbr and chainload windows. |
| 16:07.20 | mordy | sings "Lenny will always be Lenny" |
| 16:07.21 | avu | a-9, but testing won't always be lenny. once lenny becomes stable, testing will point to the new testing |
| 16:07.36 | sladi | mordy: I haven'T tried it I have to reboot :P |
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| 16:07.42 | mordy | oh |
| 16:07.45 | a-9 | avu: oh, that was my doubt :) |
| 16:07.52 | jaggz- | my old ubuntu system let me enable vnc services on my existing X session -- how can I do this under debian (vs. running a new x session within vncserver?) |
| 16:07.58 | a-9 | I just didn't know how to say it |
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| 16:09.08 | twobitwork | a-9: right... when lenny is released, it will become stable and etch will become old-stable |
| 16:09.11 | a-9 | avu: but then I will be using testing again ? |
| 16:09.16 | mordy | sladi - would also be helpful if you looked at your boot.ini file and see what ti says there ;) |
| 16:09.26 | mordy | yeah yeah,we musn't speak about this here. it's evil |
| 16:09.29 | avu | a-9, not if you did as I said and use 'lenny', not 'testing' in your sources.list |
| 16:09.33 | Sisyphos_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=-QSpGHO1ED8 |
| 16:09.38 | twobitwork | a-9: like... etch used to be testing before it was stable. |
| 16:09.49 | a-9 | ok |
| 16:09.58 | a-9 | Thanks |
| 16:10.00 | twobitwork | a-9: so, if you have "lenny" in your sources, you will always be on lenny even when it becomes stable... |
| 16:10.02 | sladi | mordy: Yes, I'll do that. I have some weird hardware issue with NTLDR too it seems, so it goes kinda slow. :) |
| 16:10.22 | Sisyphos_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=-QSpGHO1ED8 |
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| 16:10.37 | boris- | mordy: i figured german mirrors send me 4 kb/sec, could you PLEASE PLEASE give me the link with Slovenian server ? the complexity is gonna make me cry |
| 16:11.13 | mordy | boris - it's your internet connection. i'm not in germany and it's pretty fast - i guess you just have a bad connection |
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| 16:11.22 | mordy | boris, how fast is your connection anyway? |
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| 16:11.41 | boris- | mordy: opensuse torrent downloaded with 500 kb/s |
| 16:11.42 | sladi | I wonder if there is a list of all debian mirrors? |
| 16:11.49 | twobitwork | !tell boris- about mirrors |
| 16:11.50 | boris- | mordy: not sure |
| 16:12.01 | mordy | boris - besides, local servers aren't always the quickest and they depend on bandwidth |
| 16:12.05 | twobitwork | !tell sladi about mirrors |
| 16:12.07 | mordy | boris - you can't find it on torrent? |
| 16:12.10 | sladi | I hated that too when installing debian and trying to edit sources.list |
| 16:12.20 | boris- | mordy: will try |
| 16:13.00 | sladi | twobitwork: Thanks. :) I wasn't able to find that via google. ^^ |
| 16:13.10 | boris- | mordy: stable or testing ? i want lenny |
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| 16:13.33 | mordy | boris - just navigate the folder- i'll give you a link to lenny |
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| 16:14.23 | sladi | boris-: Since I got a segfault in debconf with the lenny beta 2 disc I used the stable cd, did a minimum install and updated to lenny with aptitude |
| 16:14.41 | mordy | hmm... i can't seem to find a lenny net install |
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| 16:15.03 | sladi | mordy: It's hidden a bit |
| 16:15.44 | mordy | boris http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/lenny_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-LennyBeta2-i386-netinst.iso |
| 16:15.44 | sladi | mordy: you go debian on cd, http, testing link |
| 16:15.45 | mordy | try this |
| 16:15.57 | boris- | everything is hidden, the website is almost made to get lost |
| 16:16.18 | jaggz- | can vnc services somehow send my existing desktop? |
| 16:16.31 | a-9 | what is the diference between the netinst and businesscard ? |
| 16:16.32 | sladi | boris-: it is confusing |
| 16:16.34 | boris- | mordy: 400K/s |
| 16:16.40 | mordy | not bad :D |
| 16:16.41 | boris- | sladi: certainly |
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| 16:16.59 | jaggz- | this graphics software doesn't seem to want to run in the X session began with vncserver, but it will run here at the console.. so perhaps the main X server must be on the physical display for some reason.. (graphics acceleration is likely related, but I'm just guessing) |
| 16:17.01 | boris- | mordy: went up to 800, but now at 3 :'( |
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| 16:17.13 | mordy | boris - or try this http://isohunt.com/download/45400675/debian.torrent |
| 16:17.16 | jkl | Hi, I've been using tomcat (Debian testing), before (with the first /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 script) tomcat use to launch fine (apps were working fine).. in these days I just upgrade and the Tomcat script is not working (It launch a process but no apps running), with the /usr/share/tomcat5.5/bin/catalina.sh script works fine. I've been reading the scripts and the new /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 is using jsvc (a wrapper for java as long as I could read).. and yes, p |
| 16:17.16 | jkl | s aux shows that the PID are running different (native tomcat script and debian script) |
| 16:17.41 | mordy | (lenny installer torrent) |
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| 16:17.45 | boris- | mordy: Connecting to 0.0.0.0:80... failed: Connection refused. |
| 16:18.03 | mordy | 0.0.0.0:80? wtf? |
| 16:18.10 | mordy | seems you have something wrong with your connection |
| 16:18.10 | boris- | mordy: HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 301 Moved Permanently |
| 16:18.31 | mordy | boris - are you using a proxy server? |
| 16:18.37 | boris- | mordy: no |
| 16:18.46 | mordy | boris - what are you using to download? |
| 16:18.54 | boris- | mordy: wget |
| 16:19.01 | mordy | weird |
| 16:19.06 | mordy | try something like kget |
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| 16:19.22 | boris- | mordy: firefox worked :) |
| 16:19.39 | mordy | yeah, download managers are sometimes more helpful |
| 16:20.03 | boris- | mordy: i might be crazy, but... it says it'll complete in 4 mins |
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| 16:20.43 | jkl | question: what can be wrong with the new script (/etc/init.d/tomcat 5.5) to not let me run the apps? |
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| 16:21.04 | polishpaul | hey guys, i have an issue with the network not working on bootup (laptop wireless) - is the network service normally in /etc/rc?.d/ ?? |
| 16:21.29 | rvsjoen | ok... when I start X everything just goes black.. nothing in the Xorg log, nothing in the system logs |
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| 16:22.05 | mordy | boris, if you're getting 400K/sec and the file is about 180MB, 400*60*5=24,000*5=~120MB in 5 minutes. makes sense |
| 16:22.10 | ktwilight_ | what's hte cmd to hold a package from being upgrade? |
| 16:23.03 | mordy | dpkg -h i think |
| 16:23.03 | dpkg | mordy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 16:23.07 | mordy | lol |
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| 16:23.41 | sladi | a-9: businesscard is without the base system |
| 16:23.57 | boris- | mordy: does debian have synaptics ? |
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| 16:24.19 | marsje | I prefer dianetics |
| 16:24.22 | mordy | boris - yes |
| 16:24.25 | mordy | lol marsje |
| 16:24.33 | marsje | ;-) |
| 16:24.35 | sladi | a-9: you can install it without downloading anything and you'll end up with console, aptitude, editors |
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| 16:24.51 | a-9 | sladi: ok, because it install from the internet like the netinst, so I was kind of confused. A have my system installed by businesscard, though... |
| 16:25.06 | a-9 | I* have |
| 16:25.12 | mordy | boris- isn't .se sweden, not slovenia? |
| 16:25.24 | boris- | mordy: .si is slovenia |
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| 16:26.24 | mordy | yeah, TLD don't mean much, since you cna have it routed to a different IP |
| 16:26.30 | polishpaul | hey guys, i have an issue with the network not working on bootup (laptop wireless) - networking is already in /etc/init.d/ any ideas why it doesn't start? I have to restart the networking service everytime i boot up to get network |
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| 16:26.49 | mordy | my isp is bezeqint.net, but the real location is israel, not the US |
| 16:26.51 | sladi | a-9: yeah, the base system (exim, etc.) is on the cd |
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| 16:26.54 | boris- | mordy: burning cd now |
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| 16:27.11 | mordy | hehe, nice speed you have boris- |
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| 16:28.39 | sladi | boris-: I heard aptitude is good but you shouldn't use its graphical frontend |
| 16:29.07 | boris- | sladi: why not ? |
| 16:29.08 | mordy | sladi - why not? i haven't realized any different |
| 16:29.10 | mordy | ce |
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| 16:29.40 | boris- | mordy: wish me luck :) |
| 16:29.46 | mordy | hehe, good luck boris- |
| 16:29.58 | a-9 | I have one more daubt: I have always used openbox (sometimes with gnome), fluxbox or xmonad, and I used to have .xinitrc reading some files like .Xresources. What could I do to read this files without stoping gdm from boot time ? |
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| 16:30.19 | sladi | mordy: Sometimes you start it up and it wants to remove a lot of packages just like that. The interactive frontend has a hard time figuring out what the user wants. There was a bug mentioned here recently |
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| 16:30.44 | mordy | sladi - the same thing happens with aptitude itself. it always asks for a confirmation though |
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| 16:31.21 | mordy | sladi - though it won't let you install anything unless you let it do what it wants first |
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| 16:32.13 | sladi | mordy: according to the bug-discussion I've understood the frontend can be wrong more often. |
| 16:32.53 | mordy | sladi - yes, besides i don't know which packages aptitude decides it doesn't want anymore. although there's probably a way to configure or disable it, i don't know how |
| 16:33.04 | sladi | mordy: the frontend? you can cancel those wrong actions via the menu. |
| 16:33.25 | Nyle | hey guys |
| 16:33.32 | Nyle | whats up today in the world of #debian |
| 16:33.33 | mordy | hello nyle |
| 16:33.38 | Nyle | !ping |
| 16:33.39 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:33.42 | mordy | lol |
| 16:33.45 | Nyle | I am ssh'ing to my box at home |
| 16:33.45 | mordy | !pong |
| 16:33.46 | dpkg | pong is, like, the best name on IRC eg. /ping pong, or *the* classic video game |
| 16:33.48 | Nyle | freaking laggy |
| 16:34.06 | mordy | nyle, i got xfce4 - works like a charm, loving it |
| 16:34.16 | Nyle | ahh yes you informed me last night |
| 16:34.27 | Nyle | I used xfce back in 4.0 days |
| 16:34.46 | Nyle | not sure how 4.4 is now, but I can only imagine its even more badass than before |
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| 16:35.02 | sladi | mordy: It happened to me: I started aptitude and it wanted to remove packages. I guess if you overlook that in the menu and go on doing things it may break things. I didn't overlook I guess because the bug always wanted to remove like 50 packages. :) |
| 16:35.04 | Nyle | however I still remain to be a KDE guy through and through, I think Qt > GTK any fucking day of the week |
| 16:35.12 | mordy | nyle, i like it because it's slick, lightweight, and appealing |
| 16:35.21 | Nyle | of course you do, and yes it is |
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| 16:36.30 | cr3rzemjest | wutwut indabutt |
| 16:36.32 | cr3rzemjest | !haha |
| 16:36.32 | dpkg | laughs!! that's funny cr3rzemjest! |
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| 16:37.38 | polishpaul | i said what what? |
| 16:37.46 | mordy | hehe, i'm just wondering how to optimize my nx connection, for some reason xfce takes up more resources than kde on an nx session |
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| 16:38.21 | Nyle | define resources |
| 16:38.28 | Sisyphos_ | http://youtube.com/watch?v=-QSpGHO1ED8 |
| 16:38.38 | Nyle | (though very unlikely other than software bugs, like massive cpu usage and/or memory leaking) |
| 16:38.40 | mordy | nyle CPU |
| 16:38.52 | Nyle | so its not xfce more than likely |
| 16:39.00 | Nyle | its probably the nx process |
| 16:39.05 | Sisyphos_ | Win a free DVD-Player by watching THIS: http://youtube.com/watch?v=-QSpGHO1ED8 |
| 16:39.08 | mordy | yeah, but it worked fine with kde - it' |
| 16:39.12 | Nyle | Sisyphos_, go the fuck away. |
| 16:39.14 | mordy | s not a big difference |
| 16:39.24 | Nyle | Sisyphos_, don't spam |
| 16:39.29 | rgr | Nyle: use ignore command |
| 16:39.33 | Nyle | no. |
| 16:39.44 | Nyle | I will not have spam in here |
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| 16:39.58 | rgr | Nyle: you are making noise for those of us who filter. In other words you are being the pain. |
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| 16:40.10 | Nyle | rgr, then I suggest you let it go. |
| 16:40.20 | rgr | Nyle: and all the shouting you make will not make a spammer go away. |
| 16:40.31 | Nyle | anytime... |
| 16:40.45 | BW^- | i get this error: /home/socio/src/hypertable/build.xml:49: Unable to find a javac compiler; com.sun.tools.javac.Main is not on the classpath. Perhaps JAVA_HOME does not point to the JDK when running JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun-1.5.0.14 ant jar on debian etch latest on a buildfile that works on other systems. |
| 16:40.49 | BW^- | any idea on how get it working? |
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| 16:42.02 | BW^- | ah, perhaps aptitude install javacc :) |
| 16:42.18 | Nyle | I dunno nothing about java! |
| 16:42.27 | Nyle | except that you can get some from Starbucks ;) |
| 16:42.42 | BW^- | ..apparently not |
| 16:42.49 | BW^- | grr. |
| 16:43.11 | rgr | Nyle feels the need still to comment on everything even though he hasnt a clue and then shouts at spammers for being too noisy. The mind boggles. |
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| 16:43.35 | Nyle | fuck fuckity fuck fuck fuckarooni |
| 16:43.42 | Nyle | rgr, use /ignore Nyle and stfu kindly |
| 16:43.49 | Nyle | take your own advice |
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| 16:44.32 | rgr | Nyle: you really are a self opinionated little dweeb. Tone it down. Help when you can help. And stop thinking everyone wants to hear you comment on everything. Thank you. |
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| 16:44.49 | Nyle | rgr, please use /ignore Nyle. Thank you very much. |
| 16:44.51 | mordy | lights a cigarette |
| 16:45.03 | themill | enough, guys. |
| 16:45.16 | Nyle | themill, I'm trying to avoid the argument ;) |
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| 16:45.33 | themill | BW^-: do you have the sun-java5-jdk package installed? (perhaps sun-java6 would be preferable anyway?) |
| 16:45.34 | rgr | Nyle: the fact that you dont see the difference is telling. Anyway, the reason I am here - does anyone know the reasons for debian moving devhelp out of testing? |
| 16:45.49 | Nyle | !why is devhelp not in testing |
| 16:45.49 | dpkg | devhelp is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=devhelp |
| 16:45.53 | Nyle | rgr, ^^ |
| 16:46.01 | themill | rgr: devhelp is in testing... |
| 16:46.14 | Nyle | !+info devhelp lenny |
| 16:46.15 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 16:46.35 | Nyle | anyway, brb, gonna get a coffee... |
| 16:46.59 | dpkg | devhelp: (A GNOME developers help program), section devel, is optional. Version: 0.19.1-5 (lenny), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 196 kB |
| 16:47.01 | rgr | mea culpa. I meant the devhelp-books |
| 16:47.13 | BW^- | themill: installing :) |
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| 16:47.26 | Nyle | rgr, well those I don't know but probably are not dependant on much, take a look at it you could probably just isntall them from sid |
| 16:47.35 | BW^- | nyle: without having an opinion regarding what you discuss with rgr, i feel that your choice of words is too harsh. |
| 16:47.38 | Nyle | rgr, simply add a repo for sid and apt-get install -t unstable blah. |
| 16:47.42 | valdyn | !why is devhelp-books not in testing |
| 16:47.43 | dpkg | devhelp-books is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=devhelp-books |
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| 16:47.59 | BW^- | nyle: please omitt o use the f* word and similar words in open source forums, we're sensitive people here :) |
| 16:48.01 | Nyle | BW^-, you're right. I appreciate you letting me know kindly, instead of attacking me |
| 16:48.04 | Nyle | I apologize. |
| 16:48.06 | valdyn | rgr: that package is not in debian at all |
| 16:48.06 | boris[ | mordy: the debian disk wont boot |
| 16:48.08 | themill | there is no package devhelp-books anywhere in debian |
| 16:48.25 | Nyle | BW^-, you're absolutely right, I'll do my best to mind my tongue. |
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| 16:48.36 | rvsjoen | can you downgrade a package from unstable ? |
| 16:48.54 | valdyn | it was removed in 2005 |
| 16:49.04 | mordy | boris - is your bios set to boot from CDs? |
| 16:49.32 | boris[ | mordy i suppose so or i couldnt install suse |
| 16:49.38 | themill | BW^-: you can try using JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-sun if it's still needed. You might also want to update-java-alternatives to make sure that java and javac both come from the jdk else ant will freak out. |
| 16:49.42 | mordy | gah |
| 16:49.54 | mordy | boris - is the CD readable at all? |
| 16:50.00 | boris[ | yes it is |
| 16:50.08 | valdyn | rgr: thats why: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=322861 |
| 16:50.22 | BW^- | themill: thanks alot !! |
| 16:50.32 | themill | BW^-: no worries |
| 16:50.38 | Nyle | !themill++ |
| 16:50.53 | BW^- | themill: perhaps someone would write a very simple WIKI entry on some page on the web so that google would direct people there right away when searching for "debian java prob" or similar word |
| 16:51.04 | rvsjoen | xorg breaks in unstable when loading the mga driver |
| 16:51.11 | mordy | gah, weird. either something is wrong with the bios, either the CD is crappy, or something else. does it recognize the CD? do you get any error message? |
| 16:51.13 | Nyle | BW^-, you can go to the debian wiki and edit it yoruself |
| 16:51.22 | themill | points BW^- towards wiki.debian.org ... |
| 16:51.23 | Nyle | BW^-, please be kind enough to add this information if you see fit |
| 16:51.25 | BW^- | themill: just something like, "basic course: a) your java is installed in /usr/lib/therethere. b) remember to install packages javacc and jdk-...". :) |
| 16:51.33 | BW^- | ok! |
| 16:51.37 | Nyle | thank you |
| 16:51.45 | boris[ | mordy i deleted the whole disk,cuz i thought suse might be booting itself |
| 16:51.46 | valdyn | rgr: maybe your java program is retarded too |
| 16:51.59 | valdyn | rgr: its not like all java things fail because of debian java setup |
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| 16:52.06 | mordy | boris, do you have another computer? |
| 16:52.06 | valdyn | rgr: ops |
| 16:52.15 | Nyle | valdyn, wrong dude! |
| 16:52.16 | Nyle | :) |
| 16:52.19 | valdyn | yea |
| 16:52.21 | boris[ | mordy it says Error no active partition and DISK BOOT FAILURE , INSERT SYSTEM DISK AND PRESS ENTER |
| 16:52.27 | Nyle | nydlav |
| 16:52.29 | BW^- | whoa, there's a big one already http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ |
| 16:52.31 | themill | BW^-: perhaps add it to http://wiki.debian.org/JavaFAQ |
| 16:52.32 | boris[ | mordy ye im typing from it now |
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| 16:52.39 | mordy | boris, what is your boot order -:( |
| 16:52.58 | Nyle | also some bioses have F12 or F10 to let you select the boot order |
| 16:53.05 | Nyle | soemtimes its F2 and DEL as well |
| 16:53.18 | boris[ | mordy dont know, and i dont have bios anymore, linux once deleted it |
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| 16:53.28 | Nyle | boris[, no it did not |
| 16:53.34 | Nyle | !tell boris[ -about bios |
| 16:53.34 | mordy | boris, you can't just delete bios |
| 16:53.44 | Nyle | no bios == no post. |
| 16:53.49 | boris[ | well then it hid it somehow |
| 16:53.57 | boris[ | i swear i dont see bios screen like i used to |
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| 16:54.10 | mordy | boris, that's a bootloader, not bios - two different things |
| 16:54.12 | Nyle | boris[, consult your motherboard manual in this case |
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| 16:54.36 | Nyle | find out how to properly configure yoru bios to allow cd booting |
| 16:54.51 | mordy | boris, when you start your computer, press [del], [f2], [f10] - either of those |
| 16:55.06 | Nyle | mordy, not to forget F12 as well (possibly) |
| 16:55.08 | mordy | that should bring up the bios menu |
| 16:55.12 | mordy | f12 is pxe, nyle |
| 16:55.18 | Nyle | not always |
| 16:55.24 | mordy | hmm... |
| 16:55.27 | jelly | boris[: is your machine a laptop? |
| 16:55.36 | n3kl | How can I setup a "mirror port" on a debian box? |
| 16:55.47 | Nyle | n3kl, like a debian mirror? |
| 16:55.55 | boris[ | jelly: no |
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| 16:56.01 | Nyle | n3kl, you want to setup a debian mirror? |
| 16:56.05 | n3kl | Nyle: no, like all traffic that the machine sees gets sent to an auxillary nic |
| 16:56.20 | mordy | n3kl - port forwarding? |
| 16:56.21 | Nyle | n3kl, oh that I dunno about, never even thought about that |
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| 16:56.43 | n3kl | mordy: no, because I want it to be seen on both two nics at the same time |
| 16:56.49 | mordy | oh |
| 16:56.50 | n3kl | like an ethernet tap |
| 16:56.54 | mordy | cool |
| 16:57.27 | n3kl | Is there a way that I could bridge tow nics together or something, or is there a better way to do this? |
| 16:57.49 | wols | n3kl: bridge-utils for bridging |
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| 16:58.00 | wols | !wayttd n3kl |
| 16:58.01 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, n3kl? |
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| 16:58.52 | n3kl | I am trying to hang a snort box of a third nic on my gateway machine, so I want this third nic to see all traffic that traverses my gateway. |
| 17:00.30 | polishpaul | how do i check in debian if a service is running - like "service networking status" ? |
| 17:00.42 | n3kl | Any ideas? |
| 17:00.58 | valdyn | n3kl: thats a silly idea |
| 17:01.00 | n3kl | polishpaul: /etc/init.d/networking startus |
| 17:01.04 | n3kl | valdyn: why?> |
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| 17:01.17 | spx2 | in a google search,google only lets one view first 1000 pages of results,how does one get to the other results pages that are not in the first 1000 ? |
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| 17:01.20 | polishpaul | n30: doens't have it |
| 17:01.39 | polishpaul | n3kl: it only has start stop restart and force |
| 17:01.44 | valdyn | n3kl: because you might aswell make that snort box part of the route to wherever |
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| 17:02.02 | valdyn | n3kl: i.e. just route all traffic you want to spy on over the snort box |
| 17:02.11 | n3kl | polishpaul: that is how you can check the status. For network specifically, you will have to use your own knowlege |
| 17:02.37 | pgpkeys | iirc there is a virtual driver that allows you to capture packets on all nics in the box for snort. been a while since i've touched snort but i believe there are some HOWTOs out there for that |
| 17:03.20 | mordy | gah, what's a better debian-reference package? there's a different one on etch than lenny- which one should i read? i've started with the former, but i'm wondering if it's not heavily outdated |
| 17:03.40 | jelly | spx2: one refines its search query and finds what she wants in the first 1000 pages? |
| 17:03.43 | n3kl | valdyn: your saying like put them in series? cloud -> gw -> snort -> internal network |
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| 17:04.09 | valdyn | n3kl: or skip the "gw" alltogether |
| 17:04.42 | valdyn | n3kl: making snort box = gw |
| 17:04.45 | spx2 | jelly: and supposing that alternative is not viable |
| 17:04.47 | spx2 | ? |
| 17:04.53 | n3kl | valdyn: I think I eventually will, but I my gateway box is very stable right now and I want to do some testing on installing and configuring snort without compromising the stability |
| 17:04.55 | pgpkeys | valdyn - you familiar at all with what i mentioned? don't want to mislead here |
| 17:05.03 | jelly | spx2: is google a part of debian? |
| 17:05.05 | extor | why is mod_cband the only apache2 bandwidth throttler which is packaged for etch? |
| 17:05.22 | spx2 | jelly: no but we can talk about it here also |
| 17:05.31 | a-9 | subkeys.pgp.net is not working. Is there another one ? |
| 17:05.39 | polishpaul | i have a problem where my network does not work on boot up. i have to restart the networking service to get it to work - debian on a wireless lappy |
| 17:05.47 | jelly | spx2: nope, this channel is for debian support. #debian-offtopic |
| 17:06.02 | valdyn | pgpkeys: nope |
| 17:06.04 | n3kl | polishpaul: wpa_supplicant? |
| 17:06.18 | valdyn | pgpkeys: but its an obvious waste of resources if you dont have a reason |
| 17:06.24 | mordy | anyone know whaty's a better debian-reference? |
| 17:06.41 | jelly | spx2: anyway, I personally don't have an answer other than "revisit your goal and try to do it some other way" |
| 17:06.48 | asg | mordy: better than what? |
| 17:06.53 | Bogus8 | anyone think I would be missing anything if I went with an SATA-1 PCI card for a 4 disc software raid 5 vs SATA-2? |
| 17:07.02 | pgpkeys | valdyn - learning to understand traffic flows alone would probably make the endeaver worthwhile. :shrug: |
| 17:07.08 | polishpaul | n3kl, ?? |
| 17:07.15 | valdyn | Bogus8: doing this on pci is fucked up |
| 17:07.17 | n3kl | polishpaul: are you using wpa_wupplicant? |
| 17:07.30 | valdyn | Bogus8: but the interface ( sata 1 or 2 ) doesnt really matter |
| 17:07.33 | n3kl | polishpaul: perhaps you could paste your interfaces file and we could look at it. |
| 17:07.49 | mordy | asg - i'm just wondering which reference manual is ideal - the one in etch or the one in debian - and how much of a difference is between them (besides the different chapters and all) |
| 17:07.50 | Bogus8 | valdyn: why so... I know it's not the fastest but it's an older machine (no pci-x) |
| 17:07.51 | wols | Bogus8: speed doesn't matter but you lose NCQ |
| 17:07.59 | rwaite | how would one "install" unstable? is there a way other than changing etch's sources.list and dist-upgrading? |
| 17:08.07 | valdyn | Bogus8: pci is just to slow, period |
| 17:08.07 | wols | the PCI slot will severeley limit performance |
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| 17:08.09 | Bogus8 | wols: NCQ? |
| 17:08.17 | polishpaul | n3kl, not sure if i am, which file are you requesting? |
| 17:08.17 | wols | Bogus8: use wikipedia to find out |
| 17:08.37 | Bogus8 | valdyn: would it be helpful to spread it out over two cards or would that be just a different side of the same coin? |
| 17:08.38 | wols | Bogus8: a PCI slot has 133MB/s and a modern harddisk has ~80MB/s sustained |
| 17:08.43 | n3kl | polishpaul: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 17:08.46 | polishpaul | network? |
| 17:08.47 | polishpaul | ok |
| 17:08.48 | Bogus8 | wols: thanks |
| 17:08.49 | valdyn | Bogus8: you will get less than 100mb sustained streaming performance ( or less, for lack of knowledge im not just claiming its less ), where your disk would do 200 at least |
| 17:08.52 | n3kl | polishpaul: new to debian? |
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| 17:09.06 | polishpaul | sort of... used to red-hat based |
| 17:09.10 | wols | Bogus8: will you do hardware raid? |
| 17:09.31 | Bogus8 | valdyn: this will be in a "server" type situation and not a workstation, so everything eventually goes on to the network |
| 17:09.32 | pgpkeys | time to google and see who has had success in getting debian or *any* distro to run on a Sony Vaio NR460E laptop. Just bought the sucker :) |
| 17:09.37 | Bogus8 | wols: software raid5 |
| 17:09.49 | valdyn | wols: theres no pci raid card |
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| 17:09.57 | wols | !laptop |
| 17:09.58 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
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| 17:10.05 | Bogus8 | valdyn: raid1 there is |
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| 17:10.16 | valdyn | Bogus8: which? |
| 17:10.17 | pgpkeys | thanks wols |
| 17:10.22 | valdyn | Bogus8: ive not been able to find one |
| 17:10.26 | Bogus8 | valdyn: 3ware... I use a couple in some other servers |
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| 17:10.36 | wols | valdyn: a) just checking. maybe people buy fakeraid and believe it's raid and b) I'm sure some corp oht there made one once upon a time. it was money to be made :) |
| 17:10.37 | valdyn | Bogus8: i see |
| 17:10.39 | Bogus8 | two port raid 1/0 |
| 17:10.52 | Bogus8 | true hardware... about $130 bucks |
| 17:11.04 | Bogus8 | nice interface, emails if something blows up |
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| 17:11.15 | valdyn | Bogus8: network traffic and your harddisks will compete for pci bandwidth |
| 17:11.18 | SexyKen | Hey guys - I'm trying to get Debian to work on a machine with a ECS GeForce 6100SM motherboard and I can't get the NIC to work, it's saying device not found when I issue the ifup on eth0 |
| 17:11.26 | valdyn | Bogus8: so more like less than 50mb/sec |
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| 17:11.32 | wols | SexyKen: what driver? |
| 17:11.40 | SexyKen | nforce |
| 17:11.43 | Bogus8 | valdyn: and that would be total pci bandwidth so spreading it out on two cards won't really yeild any benefits? |
| 17:11.47 | valdyn | Bogus8: depending on what your network does naturally |
| 17:11.53 | polishpaul | n3kl: http://rafb.net/p/NSnj3N11.html |
| 17:12.01 | wols | SexyKen: there is no driver named "nforce" |
| 17:12.11 | pgpkeys | christ it takes forever for shit to install in Vista. grrr |
| 17:12.30 | SexyKen | Sorry wols - my confusion. It's forcedeth I believe |
| 17:12.38 | valdyn | Bogus8: the technical pci bandwidht would be 130mb/sec i think, but you dont reach that. |
| 17:12.40 | wols | SexyKen: you need to use forcedeth and possibly need a newer kernel than etch |
| 17:12.46 | Bogus8 | valdyn: well, it's more for fail save redundancy of my data and storage... glorified NAS? I just am trying to squeeze out the best bang for buck here |
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| 17:12.52 | wols | SexyKen: try the 2.6.24 one from etchnhalf |
| 17:13.06 | n3kl | polishpaul: try addming "allow-hotplug eth0" between your interfaces in that file. |
| 17:13.19 | Bogus8 | valdyn: any other suggestions I may not have thought of? |
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| 17:13.37 | wols | polishpaul: is eth0 a wired PCI NIC? |
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| 17:13.47 | polishpaul | yeah |
| 17:13.51 | jelly | wols: where did you get the 133MB/s number from? PCI has either 32bits or 64bits * frequency |
| 17:13.51 | valdyn | Bogus8: a whole new mainboard, as old as possible, with disk controller on pcie |
| 17:13.56 | wols | then use auto eth0 not allow-hotplug |
| 17:13.59 | SexyKen | wols: I think I had a similar issue before - the resolution was to tell the driver that it was supposed to be eth0 -- I believe. Where is that setting? |
| 17:14.10 | polishpaul | auto eth1 maybe? |
| 17:14.13 | wols | jelly: it's the maximum speed for PCI32 |
| 17:14.18 | valdyn | Bogus8: i dont really know what that will cost on ebay.. |
| 17:14.26 | Bogus8 | valdyn: why "as old as possible"? |
| 17:14.31 | wols | jelly: 32bit times 33MHz |
| 17:14.37 | valdyn | Bogus8: because you want cheap |
| 17:14.47 | wols | SexyKen: ifconfig -a |
| 17:14.53 | wols | !tell SexyKen about z25 |
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| 17:15.13 | SexyKen | wols: You're right- that's it :-) and it's setting up as eth8 |
| 17:15.17 | jelly | wols: ah, I see. I've been working with 100 or 133MHz for a long time. :-) |
| 17:15.26 | jelly | ... and 64bit, PCI-X |
| 17:15.27 | Bogus8 | valdyn: roger... I'll probably just go this route as I only need a $30 card and it's just for personal storage |
| 17:15.35 | polishpaul | wols: can you elaborate? use auto eth1?? |
| 17:15.40 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:15.57 | wols | polishpaul: I told you exactly what to put in |
| 17:16.04 | wols | s/is/has |
| 17:16.06 | Bogus8 | valdyn: btw, that 3ware card is also 32/64bit fyi |
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| 17:16.30 | Bogus8 | valdyn: I *thought* I had seen raid 5 cards, but I could be mistaken |
| 17:16.38 | polishpaul | n3kl: allow-hotplug eth0 or eth1 ? |
| 17:16.56 | DawnLight | when is etchnhalf cds out? |
| 17:17.00 | wols | polishpaul: neither |
| 17:17.10 | pgpkeys | damn. http://www.linux-laptop.net/ has nothing for the NR460E or any of the 460 series |
| 17:17.15 | pgpkeys | !laptop |
| 17:17.16 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
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| 17:17.27 | pgpkeys | lets try http://tuxmobil.org/ |
| 17:17.31 | n3kl | polishpaul: I would use auto eth0 like wold said, my mistake, but I don't know what interface you are trying to bring up, you decide |
| 17:17.31 | DawnLight | !tell pgpkeys about self tell |
| 17:17.34 | polishpaul | wols: so just add auto eth0 to the file? |
| 17:17.44 | pgpkeys | DawnLight - thank you :) |
| 17:17.47 | polishpaul | eth1 is wireless.. that's why i'm confused |
| 17:18.27 | n3kl | polishpaul: I think you need to do some reading. There is no eth1 declaration in your interfaces file, its no wonder it doesn't work. |
| 17:18.32 | n3kl | polishpaul: try man interfaces |
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| 17:19.06 | polishpaul | then how am i connected now? |
| 17:19.37 | n3kl | polishpaul: man interface |
| 17:19.42 | n3kl | *interfaces |
| 17:19.45 | polishpaul | i have eth1 if i say ifconfig |
| 17:20.16 | n3kl | polishpaul: ok, so you need to tell your interfaces file to bring up eth1 on boot up and also use static or dynamic ip addressing |
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| 17:20.52 | polishpaul | ah ok... |
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| 17:21.13 | wols | polishpaul: do you have eth1 only or eth0 and and1? |
| 17:21.25 | polishpaul | 0 and 1 |
| 17:21.30 | polishpaul | but only 0 in the file |
| 17:21.55 | wols | then as n3kl said |
| 17:22.21 | zyx386 | hi |
| 17:22.45 | polishpaul | cool, ty guys... sorry for the confusion |
| 17:23.44 | rwaite | now that lenny is getting ready to freeze, would it be suitable in a server situation? |
| 17:24.03 | zyx386 | i use to keybord in gnome+kde desktop and will now to fluxbox, the fluxbox wiki said that is in your xorg.conf file have nothing to do with fluxbox, OK but my xorg.conf is her http://pastebin.com/m68d3c722 is nothing about my kurdish keybord layout? |
| 17:24.46 | themill | rwaite: there security support for lenny is still not what you would normally want for a server. |
| 17:25.10 | rwaite | so that kind of support won't begin until release? |
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| 17:25.49 | wols | also lenny repos software still changes a lot. not desirable either |
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| 17:25.53 | themill | rwaite: it will begin some time during the freeze process. It is one of the preconditions for release and normally starts about now. |
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| 17:26.40 | rwaite | i see. in your opinion, once that security support starts, would it be viable for a server? or would it be best to wait until release? |
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| 17:27.45 | lucas_ | i don't use xdm i just use this: su <username> -c 'source /etc/profile;startxfce4 &' |
| 17:27.53 | quagga | rwaite: i'm waiting for lenny's release to move my server over to it |
| 17:27.55 | themill | rwaite: as wols said, lenny is still a bit of a moving target though up until release. The rate of change does reduce though as you get closer to release. |
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| 17:28.21 | zyx386 | i use to keybord layout but finde nothing about my second keybord layout in xorg.conf? who is that ? |
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| 17:28.37 | rwaite | i see, okay. my issue is i have a custom application running on it and i'd like to be "compatible" with lenny |
| 17:28.53 | rwaite | right now its working on etch. maybe i'll setup a lenny test system |
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| 17:29.19 | themill | rwaite: you can always set up a chroot for testing things in, e.g. using cdebootstrap |
| 17:29.31 | wols | themill: but that won't change kernels |
| 17:29.47 | naz | is there any downside to using logical partitions instead of primary partitions? |
| 17:29.59 | rwaite | well, kernel "shouldn't" matter |
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| 17:30.05 | themill | wols: no, but that shouldn't matter to an application... |
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| 17:30.38 | rwaite | i've never done anything with cdebootstrap. is it difficult to use? (for beginners, like me) |
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| 17:32.21 | deever | hi |
| 17:32.32 | n3kl | How can I stop xen from auto configuring such a cracked out hosts file in my vm? |
| 17:32.59 | nkuttler | zyx386: are you sure "dk" is correct for kurdish? |
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| 17:33.53 | wootwoot2008 | i need some help, I am unsure what channel to join for this info forgive me. I am trying to solder 4 wires to a pro duo memory stick which has 10 pin outs. I want to be able to stick the memory stick into a camera. The camera will then read the card reader on the other side of the usb. |
| 17:34.12 | zyx386 | nkuttler, i use Denmark (dk) danish key bord and kurdish keybord |
| 17:34.13 | Lectus | when will ISO images for 4.0r4 be released? I wanted to install etch but it didn't detected my harddrive. Maybe 4.0r4 will. I need a more stable system, that's why I don't want lenny right now. |
| 17:34.19 | deever | i have a laptop with several virtualbox machines on it connected to with bridging, so that they can directly access my lan and get ipaddresses from there... |
| 17:34.46 | nkuttler | zyx386: ah. and you have two keyboards attached? |
| 17:35.22 | wootwoot2008 | i have all the info on the pinouts for the usb and the card its self |
| 17:35.50 | nkuttler | wootwoot2008: #hardware ? |
| 17:35.54 | wootwoot2008 | thanks |
| 17:36.02 | zyx386 | nkuttler, i can use danish keybord and kurdish keybord under gnome and kde |
| 17:36.03 | deever | this works fine except that most of the time no vbox is started but i still have all these vbox ifaces and the bridge configured as my default iface |
| 17:36.14 | zyx386 | and will use to under fuxbox |
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| 17:36.38 | nkuttler | zyx386: do you use one keyboard and switch keymaps or do you have two keyboards? |
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| 17:36.51 | balasyum | hi |
| 17:37.07 | balasyum | why isn't flock in the debian repository? |
| 17:37.16 | deever | what i now want to do is to remove this vbox* ifaces and the bridge and use eth0 regularly as long no vbox is active |
| 17:37.26 | zyx386 | nkuttler, i use 2 keybord and switch it via Alt+schift |
| 17:37.31 | DawnLight | cdimage.debian.org seems down |
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| 17:37.40 | DawnLight | or in maintenance |
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| 17:38.42 | SexyKen | I have some wierd problem...one of my servers keeps shutting down when I copy a 166GB directory. It copies anywhere from 300mb to 2.0gb before it just shuts off. |
| 17:38.49 | zyx386 | nkuttler, with which command can witch the keybord layout ? |
| 17:38.55 | nkuttler | zyx386: hm, you should be able to use both at the same time. you probably need to add a second InputDevice section. |
| 17:38.55 | deever | i'd prefer, when i start a vbox, first to 'ifup vboxX' what should create a bridge and add eth0 and vboxX to that bridge |
| 17:39.03 | deever | how can this be done? |
| 17:39.05 | nkuttler | zyx386: /msg dpkg modmap |
| 17:39.08 | polishpaul | wols: after adding "auto eth1 and iface eth1 inet dhcp" the wireless would not work - it just waited for a dhcp response. Normally i just restart and see no output |
| 17:39.09 | nkuttler | zyx386: /msg dpkg keymap |
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| 17:39.30 | zyx386 | !keymap |
| 17:39.31 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 17:40.22 | nkuttler | zyx386: you probably want xmodmap to change it on the fly |
| 17:40.32 | SexyKen | Anyone heard of such an issue? |
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| 17:41.21 | polishpaul | does it shutdown gracefully or just power off? |
| 17:42.14 | SexyKen | just power off |
| 17:42.14 | wols | polishpaul: if you tell it to get a dhcp address it of course tries to get one. that is not suprising |
| 17:42.26 | zyx386 | nkuttler, i can't use setxkbmap ku_ara to change keybord layout |
| 17:42.37 | Pete_B_ | In order to add a 2nd disk to RAID1, do I partition the 2nd disk with the same 2 partitions as the 1st, then 'mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --raid-devices=2' then 'mdadm --grow /dev/md1 --raid-devices=2'? I told the debian installer that there was a spare disk. |
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| 17:42.40 | polishpaul | well, how does it get it otherwise? |
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| 17:43.14 | polishpaul | i mean, without those lines, i'm sure it get one anyway, just no output on console after restarting netowkring |
| 17:43.35 | _zheks | with default debian install, is there a need for any additional apt repos like RPMforge for CentOS? |
| 17:43.45 | polishpaul | SexyKen: could it be a heat issue? |
| 17:43.56 | _zheks | Considering switching few personal servers from centos to debian, getting tired of yum-related issues |
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| 17:45.07 | zyx386 | nkuttler, is that corect Option"XkbLayout""dk,ku_ara" |
| 17:45.13 | rwaite | there are always issues |
| 17:45.15 | themill | _zheks: for a server, the main repos are usually enough. Sometimes you might want something of backports.org but not usually on a server, and for a desktop you might want debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:45.19 | zyx386 | in xorg.conf |
| 17:45.29 | SexyKen | polishpaul: I dont think so - it seems very very cool. |
| 17:45.58 | _zheks | themill, server mostly. For a desktop (running osx on mbp now) would use Ubuntu, has really good hardware support imho |
| 17:46.11 | nkuttler | zyx386: i have no idea.. |
| 17:46.18 | zyx386 | ok |
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| 17:47.02 | polishpaul | SexyKen: if the proc overheats, it may cause a shutdown... but somehow i doubt thats the problem |
| 17:47.22 | zyx386 | how can is fix this error ? setxkbmap ku_ara |
| 17:47.22 | zyx386 | Error loading new keyboard description |
| 17:48.02 | Pete_B_ | _zheks: you'll probably want volatile too. Checkout http://thegoldenear.org/toolbox/unices/server-setup-debian-etch.html#repositories |
| 17:48.36 | themill | _zheks: fundamentally the hardware support is the same. The only difference is that debian doesn't serve you non-free firmware blobs on a plate straight off. |
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| 17:50.40 | _zheks | thanks both of you. Will bookmark that url, will come handy |
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| 17:52.26 | zyx386 | how can switch keybord layout in command line? |
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| 17:55.57 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 17:55.57 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
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| 18:03.11 | DawnLight | who needs help! |
| 18:03.19 | twobitwork | me! |
| 18:03.52 | DawnLight | i'm reading |
| 18:03.53 | twobitwork | teh interwebs are broken and my ubuntu livecd wont boot, etc, etc |
| 18:04.00 | twobitwork | :P |
| 18:04.06 | rvsjoen | I think hal breaks the xorg mga module in unstable |
| 18:04.47 | DawnLight | twobitwork: that is a known issue. we are working on it |
| 18:04.55 | twobitwork | heh |
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| 18:06.32 | cezar | hey I've got a tgz file that is almost twice the size of the source directory. I've been running the tgz command for months and this just now started happening |
| 18:06.35 | cezar | is this normal? |
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| 18:06.52 | n3kl | cezar: noosphere |
| 18:07.15 | DexterF | hi |
| 18:07.20 | n3kl | cezar: no. Are you ccreating the tar inside of the directory you are taring? |
| 18:07.31 | cezar | actually, yes |
| 18:07.39 | p0lym0rph | agrr audacious-plugins are older than audacious 1.5.1... |
| 18:07.44 | DexterF | is linux-image-2.6.24-1-686 and linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 the same? |
| 18:07.49 | abrotman | cezar: depends on the original size also .. if sufficiently small, the tar header adds size |
| 18:07.56 | abrotman | DexterF: do they look the same? |
| 18:08.02 | cezar | well the tar is 570mb and the source folder is only 320mb or so |
| 18:08.06 | cezar | like I said its been working for months |
| 18:08.20 | cezar | but now my tar files are getting massive for no apparnent reason |
| 18:08.27 | cezar | im backing up a site, so files change but not drastically |
| 18:08.29 | DexterF | abrotman: dunno, didn't look into the file list and sizes or md5 |
| 18:08.41 | twobitwork | cezar: well... if you're putting the tar into the directory, and then tarring the directory it will get bigger each time |
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| 18:09.23 | cezar | indeed, but I always clear it out before running the backup |
| 18:09.29 | cezar | so that's not it |
| 18:09.30 | jelly-home | cezar: any sparse files or hardlinks in there? Did you tell tar to handle those in an efficient way? |
| 18:09.40 | cezar | no symlink or hardlinks |
| 18:09.43 | cezar | dunno what a sparse file is |
| 18:10.14 | cezar | hey I fixed it |
| 18:10.21 | cezar | apparently creating the tgz file inside the dir was causing it |
| 18:10.26 | cezar | good lookin out :) |
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| 18:10.27 | jelly-home | ... |
| 18:10.34 | abrotman | !sparse files |
| 18:10.35 | dpkg | Sometimes files have 'holes' in them, long sections of binary zeroes (000). Linux and Unix filesystems often know about these sections and store them efficiently, i.e., not storing all of the 000's. These are called 'sparse files'.. To make a file containing zeroes sparse, use cp --sparse=always |
| 18:10.44 | DawnLight | hi abrotman |
| 18:10.45 | twobitwork | are you sure you were removing the tar before re-tarring it? |
| 18:10.48 | abrotman | hi |
| 18:10.50 | cezar | yeah |
| 18:10.54 | deever | i have a laptop with several virtualbox machines on it connected to with bridging, so that they can directly access my lan and get ipaddresses from there... |
| 18:10.57 | deever | this works fine except that most of the time no vbox is started but i still have all these vbox ifaces and the bridge configured as my default iface |
| 18:11.00 | deever | i'd prefer, when i start a vbox, first to 'ifup vboxX' what should create a bridge and add eth0 and vboxX to that bridge |
| 18:11.04 | deever | what i now want to do is to remove this vbox* ifaces and the bridge and use eth0 regularly as long no vbox is active |
| 18:11.07 | deever | how can this be done? |
| 18:11.21 | cezar | its a backup so I've been doing it on a daily/weekly basis, and like I said it was working fine dunno why it just started acting up--no worries though, I'll just mod my script to cp the tgz file afterwards |
| 18:11.35 | DawnLight | so it seems like in lenny the best choice for wireless will be atheros, isn't it? |
| 18:11.46 | abrotman | define best |
| 18:12.11 | jelly-home | dd if=/dev/zero of=100GBfile bs=1M count=0 seek=102400 <- makes a sparse file named 100GBfile with an apparent size that will be obvious from the name |
| 18:12.15 | DawnLight | did you read the news? they've gone all open and hired foss devs |
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| 18:12.45 | jelly-home | DawnLight: so has ATi, and you still don't see me buying their cards |
| 18:13.04 | abrotman | like you could! .. your mom doesn't give you allowance |
| 18:13.15 | DawnLight | they're hiring two madwifi folk to put their drivers in linux |
| 18:13.19 | jelly-home | shutup shutup shutup |
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| 18:13.59 | DawnLight | why don't i see you buying them ati's? |
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| 18:14.57 | DawnLight | eh, jelly-home ? |
| 18:15.47 | DawnLight | is there ahm... a way, in aptitude command line, to make it install untrusted packages? |
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| 18:17.20 | jelly-home | DawnLight: because a press announcement does not equal a continuous and proven dedication to free drivers |
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| 18:21.27 | jelly-home | also, forgotten sparse files are a great way to slow down your backups |
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| 18:24.14 | bit0 | what's about BTS server " W: invalid date" ? |
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| 18:24.41 | DawnLight | jelly-home: assume good faith |
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| 18:26.25 | ukmnh | does anyone here have an SiS 630/730 video card? i've had problems (games, some fb settings, etc. hang the system) |
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| 18:27.00 | jelly-home | DawnLight: I can't... I'm the only user! |
| 18:27.23 | peppe | ukmnh: which kind of games? |
| 18:28.04 | ukmnh | peppe: emulators on X, like fceu. |
| 18:28.09 | eximium | is it already decided what will be the name of next debian relase after lenny? |
| 18:28.26 | ukmnh | peppe: usually i can play around with the settings and get it to work after a few reboots, but it gets annoying |
| 18:28.56 | peppe | ukmnh: well, I don't know. report bugs or contact upstream developers (winischhofer) |
| 18:30.07 | ukmnh | peppe: i though he was providing some alternate drivers (not upstream).. will dig a bit more |
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| 18:30.47 | tardalicious | how do i restart my etch box from the command line? |
| 18:30.58 | tardalicious | stupid google returns all this restarting x from command line |
| 18:31.01 | \amethyst | tardalicious: shutdown -r now |
| 18:31.04 | tardalicious | i just wanna restart the whole box |
| 18:31.05 | tardalicious | nice |
| 18:31.11 | trinux | or just CTRL+ALT+DEL |
| 18:31.13 | tardalicious | amethyst: TYVM |
| 18:31.18 | tardalicious | ctrL+alt_del ? |
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| 18:31.46 | tardalicious | ctrl+alt+del works if you don't have x installed? |
| 18:32.02 | \amethyst | if you're at the console and inittab has a ca: entry, that will be run when you press ctrl-alt-delete |
| 18:32.02 | trinux | if X is not running yes |
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| 18:32.02 | tardalicious | cool i didn't know that |
| 18:32.07 | tardalicious | okay thanks :) |
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| 18:42.22 | FordCortina | given im using kde4 does an upgrade that wants to remove libqt4-gui look sane? |
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| 18:46.38 | marsje | how do I get etchnhalf with apt-get? can't find it on debian.org.... |
| 18:46.56 | extor | My logrotate has a weekly rotate by default and 4 logfiles saved by default but whatever is doing my logrotations is rotating syslog DAILY not weekly and is keeping 7 backups. How on earth could this be happening? The default is weekly not daily |
| 18:47.11 | extor | And this is on multiple debian boxes, I haven't touched logrotate settings ever |
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| 18:51.14 | a-9 | How could I read ~/Xresources wiht gdm/gnome automatically ? |
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| 18:51.49 | up365 | marsje, this http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080726 |
| 18:51.58 | extor | Don't take my word for it, look at your own /var/log/syslog* |
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| 18:52.38 | marsje | up365: "Upgrading to this revision online should be done by directing the aptitude (or apt) package tool (see the sources.list(5) manual page) at one of Debian's many FTP or HTTP mirrors." |
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| 18:52.57 | marsje | up365: and I guess I have to change something in my sources.list? |
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| 18:53.14 | ClimDan | Cool Euro Jobs site => new-gen employment eu |
| 18:53.41 | PinkFreud | extor: have you looked at /etc/cron.daily/logrotate yet? |
| 18:53.41 | sladi | FordCortina: I'd try 'aptitude why libqt4-gui' |
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| 18:54.04 | extor | PinkFreud, yes indeed I have. It runs logrotate daily |
| 18:54.16 | PinkFreud | indeed it does. |
| 18:54.23 | extor | However it should not be truncating syslog daily, should it? |
| 18:55.20 | up365 | marsje, this one http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf |
| 18:55.31 | abrotman | ClimDan: don't spam here |
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| 18:56.30 | marsje | up365: it does not mention apt-gert or sources.list.... do I have to boot from a cd to upgrade? |
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| 18:57.10 | PinkFreud | abrotman: it's likely a bot |
| 18:57.14 | abrotman | marsje: it's available already |
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| 18:57.40 | PinkFreud | friggin romania. damned country should be disconnected from the 'net by now. nothing but scam'n'spam |
| 18:57.40 | sly007 | Hello, I want to remove swfdec-mozilla package put it says it depends on gnome and wants to remove gnome. Isn't there a way to uninstall the package and telling the gnome package it does not depend on swfdec-mozilla? |
| 18:57.54 | marsje | abrotman, up365: when I do apt-get dist-upgrade nothing happens...? |
| 18:57.55 | sadneo | hi I was looking for an alternative command to cp, which gives a complete statusbar like wget |
| 18:58.04 | abrotman | marsje: normal |
| 18:58.29 | marsje | abrotman: I'm sure it is normal :) |
| 18:58.54 | marsje | abrotman: but there must also be a normal way to get 4.0r4 |
| 18:59.38 | up365 | marsje, I haven't upgraded to etchnhalf but there's a lot to read before you do. |
| 18:59.42 | ClimDan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:01.11 | marsje | up365: but someone must know or it must be on some site.... it must be possible to upgrade ro 4.0r4 |
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| 19:01.29 | abrotman | marsje: aptitude search etchnhalf |
| 19:01.44 | abrotman | ClimDan: do you ahve a Debian question or are you just here to spam? |
| 19:02.03 | extor | PinkFreud, so is there a hidden hand that influences log rotation in debian? Besides the daily cron? |
| 19:02.18 | abrotman | extor: not hidden .. but another process, yes |
| 19:02.30 | abrotman | sadneo: rsync can |
| 19:02.46 | extor | abrotman, and that process would be? |
| 19:03.01 | sadneo | abrotman ... you still got it |
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| 19:03.21 | abrotman | got it ? |
| 19:03.28 | marsje | abrotman: is this the way to gert all updates? deb http://ftp.fr.debian.org/debian/ stable-proposed-updates main |
| 19:03.35 | abrotman | extor: /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd or something liek that |
| 19:03.44 | marsje | abrotman: proposed looks like it's a beta |
| 19:03.50 | sadneo | abrotman whenever I am in this channel you always have the best answers |
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| 19:03.51 | abrotman | marsje: no .. they're already in etch .. the only package you're really looking for is probably the kernel |
| 19:03.55 | abrotman | sadneo: ah ok :) |
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| 19:04.01 | abrotman | marsje: no .. been released |
| 19:04.06 | extor | abrotman, well I found that..it runs the logrotate daily however some files are rotated weekly even despite that. |
| 19:04.20 | abrotman | extor: it is run daily .. doesn't mean they're rotated daily |
| 19:05.13 | marsje | abrotman: but if it is in etch, then I should it with a regular apt-get update, right? |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | marsje: no .. |
| 19:05.13 | marsje | upgrade I mean |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | marsje: apt-cache search etchnhalf .. see anything ? |
| 19:05.13 | marsje | abrotman: yes |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | so install the ones you want |
| 19:05.13 | abrotman | they're not going to force the etchnhalf packages on people |
| 19:05.13 | extor | abrotman, could you look at your syslog in /var/log and tell me if it is being rotated daily or weekly? And then look at user.log and messages and explain how those are being rotated monthly? |
| 19:05.13 | marsje | abrotman: I just thought there was a way to get it all at once |
| 19:05.17 | sly007 | Hello, I want to remove swfdec-mozilla package put it says it depends on gnome and wants to remove gnome. Isn't there a way to uninstall the package and telling the gnome package it does not depend on swfdec-mozilla? |
| 19:05.21 | abrotman | marsje: it's only a couple of packages you wouldn't have already gotten |
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| 19:05.54 | marsje | abrotman: but then will I have have etch, etchnhalf or etchnquarter? |
| 19:06.13 | abrotman | you already have etch/etchnhalf |
| 19:06.40 | marsje | abrotman: so it came in slowly without me noticing it.. |
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| 19:07.16 | abrotman | extor: sysklogd doesn't manage anything except what's listed by 'syslogd-listfiles' |
| 19:07.18 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 19:07.22 | abrotman | marsje: no |
| 19:07.29 | abrotman | marsje: it was juts releasted on saturday |
| 19:07.39 | marsje | is confused |
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| 19:07.55 | abrotman | duh :) |
| 19:08.03 | extor | abrotman, are yo not missing the point? The point is that in a default debian installation syslog should be rotated weekly yet it is being rotated daily. Other logfiles are being rotated monthly as they should be |
| 19:08.05 | dj_oko | hello :) |
| 19:08.10 | abrotman | marsje: you have access to the etchnhalf packages *if* you want them |
| 19:08.45 | abrotman | extor: syslog gets checked daily .. wtmp/btmp monthly .. |
| 19:08.48 | Nyle | dd if=/dev/zero of=100GBfile bs=1M count=0 seek=102400 <- makes a sparse file named 100GBfile with an apparent size that will be obvious from the name |
| 19:08.53 | Nyle | er... |
| 19:08.59 | Nyle | fucking mouse paste thingy!!! |
| 19:09.09 | marsje | abrotman: I want the new kernel but I see many packages and I don't know which ones I need... |
| 19:09.10 | Nyle | I hate putty :( |
| 19:09.16 | abrotman | marsje: what's your kernel? |
| 19:09.17 | extor | abrotman, there is nothing in logrotate.conf that says syslog should be rotated daily...in fact the default is a weekly rotation |
| 19:09.31 | abrotman | extor: syslog is the /etc/cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 19:09.37 | marsje | abrotman: Linux debian 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Fri Jun 6 22:22:11 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:09.56 | abrotman | extor: syslogd-listfiles --weekly |
| 19:10.16 | abrotman | marsje: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf |
| 19:10.26 | extor | abrotman, so you are saying syslog rotates itself daily? |
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| 19:10.49 | marsje | abrotman: I normally use apt-get... can I just switch to aptitude? |
| 19:11.21 | abrotman | extor: try looking at `syslogd-listfiles` .. it will probably make way more sense to you |
| 19:11.30 | abrotman | marsje: up to you |
| 19:11.31 | up365 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.38 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 19:11.38 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 19:11.43 | marsje | abrotman: but will it break anything? |
| 19:12.02 | marsje | up365: why is aptitude better? |
| 19:12.05 | abrotman | marsje: just make extra sure when installing/removing packages that it's doing what you want |
| 19:12.32 | abrotman | extor: cron.daily runs `syslogd-listfiles` .. cron.weekly runs `syslogd-listfiles --weekly` |
| 19:12.33 | up365 | marsje, ^^^read |
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| 19:13.00 | _zheks | !why apt-get |
| 19:13.02 | _zheks | :-) |
| 19:13.14 | marsje | !why !apt-get |
| 19:13.20 | marsje | ;-) |
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| 19:13.32 | abrotman | apt-get is still useful for certain actions .. but overall aptitude is recommended |
| 19:13.47 | deever | |why your gramma |
| 19:13.52 | deever | ;-) |
| 19:13.54 | extor | Well whatever runs the problem is those very important and very small syslog logfiles should be rotating weekly or monthly and not daily |
| 19:13.55 | marsje | abrotman: I'll try to convice my fingers to type aptitude |
| 19:14.00 | extor | screams |
| 19:14.01 | daftd | aptitude is to slow.. updates the list quite some time |
| 19:14.09 | Nyle | dudes |
| 19:14.12 | Nyle | ... |
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| 19:14.14 | abrotman | extor: which files? /var/log/syslog ? |
| 19:14.18 | marsje | why wasn't apt-get improved to do what aptitude does? from the outside it looks the same... |
| 19:14.26 | deever | i have a laptop with several virtualbox machines on it connected to with bridging, so that they can directly access my lan and get ipaddresses from there... |
| 19:14.29 | deever | this works fine except that most of the time no vbox is started but i still have all these vbox ifaces and the bridge configured as my default iface |
| 19:14.31 | extor | abrotman, yes indeed |
| 19:14.32 | deever | what i now want to do is to remove this vbox* ifaces and the bridge and use eth0 regularly as long no vbox is active |
| 19:14.35 | maybeway36 | because aptitude already does it :P |
| 19:14.35 | deever | how can this be done? |
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| 19:14.38 | deever | i'd prefer, when i start a vbox, first to 'ifup vboxX' what should create a bridge and add eth0 and vboxX to that bridge |
| 19:14.46 | Nyle | it does now, a bit. apt-get has recently started to pull in recommended packages as well, which is easily configurable in apt.conf |
| 19:14.47 | abrotman | extor: so you want syslog only rotated once a week ? |
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| 19:15.25 | extor | abrotman, yes I do but I am shocked it is rotated daily by default in debian. Why keep losing such a small yet critical logfile? |
| 19:15.47 | abrotman | losing ? |
| 19:16.13 | extor | yeah every week it deletes the last weeks logs, didn't you know? |
| 19:16.32 | extor | every day it deletes the daily logs from a week ago for syslog I mean |
| 19:16.50 | abrotman | i've got 7 days worth |
| 19:16.57 | abrotman | right ... |
| 19:17.01 | liable | it usually waits for a certain size, and rotates weekly in my experience. i suspect you have fucked with the config |
| 19:17.40 | extor | no I never touched the config, abrotman's syslog is self-rotating daily as well. Something is broken in debian. |
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| 19:17.54 | quagga | it is supposed to rotate daily |
| 19:18.01 | extor | liable, why don't you double check and look at your logs? |
| 19:18.07 | marsje | why doesn't this install anything? sudo aptitude install linux-latest-modules-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 19:18.29 | extor | quagga, that's crazy though. it is such a small logfile and very important |
| 19:18.44 | abrotman | liable: syslogd files are different |
| 19:19.11 | quagga | extor: edit the logrotate.d options then i guess |
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| 19:19.33 | liable | extor: the only logs that are done daily are syslog and kern.log |
| 19:19.48 | extor | sighs |
| 19:19.48 | liable | extor: and whats the big deal of losing those? |
| 19:19.51 | abrotman | liable: no |
| 19:20.00 | abrotman | liable: there is cron.daily and cron.weekly |
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| 19:20.10 | extor | the big deal is if my box crashed on the 18th I can't analyze those logs |
| 19:20.17 | abrotman | he wants syslog to not be a daily rotate |
| 19:20.18 | liable | abrotman: yes, and all my tohers are done weekly |
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| 19:20.52 | abrotman | liable: that's not even true .. i've got some boxes that rotate different things daily |
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| 19:21.00 | abrotman | through nothing that i recall doing |
| 19:21.04 | liable | extor: would you really wait more than 7 days to analise it? |
| 19:21.10 | liable | abrotman: sixe |
| 19:21.14 | liable | size* |
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| 19:21.23 | abrotman | liable: uhm .. using the syslogd-listfiles .. |
| 19:21.28 | extor | liable, I did in this case and I am dissapointed in the default settings |
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| 19:22.20 | abrotman | liable: one is a mail server .. and it rotates mail.* daily .. the other is not a mail server and does not |
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| 19:22.35 | liable | extor: i imagine the majority dont want to keep syslogs as the generally dont have usefull info except in the case of crashes, and i guess people would save or investigate those logs before a week was up |
| 19:22.50 | liable | abrotman: yes, and not log size related? |
| 19:22.53 | abrotman | no |
| 19:23.07 | abrotman | liable: try it .. `syslogd-listfiles` .. two etch boxes return two different things |
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| 19:25.19 | liable | no, i dont care that much |
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| 19:25.28 | abrotman | you're arguing with me about it though |
| 19:25.46 | liable | argue? |
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| 19:26.44 | streuner_ | is almost dead, in .de its pretty hot... |
| 19:27.13 | quagga | apt-get install airconditioning? |
| 19:27.14 | DawnLight | i have a 1.7G syslog, a 1.7G messages and a 1.7G kern.log. what can i do about this? |
| 19:27.35 | streuner_ | yeah, would be a good advise :-) |
| 19:27.38 | DawnLight | quagga: aptitude is the preferred package manager |
| 19:27.43 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 19:29.23 | quagga | you can pry apt-get from my cold dead hands |
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| 19:31.21 | dantanna | agrees with quagga =) |
| 19:31.30 | kenjy | hi guys, how can I use a NOT operandor with grep? I wanna grep -i !patron |
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| 19:32.14 | peterS | kenjy: -v |
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| 19:32.35 | peterS | that or --help |
| 19:32.35 | Chaostya | Can I "load" system from HDD using bootable USB stick with boot: rescue mode ? My debian etch 3 box is almost dead after I did some updates yesterday. |
| 19:32.58 | kenjy | tnks peterS :) |
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| 19:35.46 | streuner | Chaostya: its in most cases a kernel thingie... |
| 19:35.59 | valdyn | DawnLight: that should be the same messages in each - check what it is |
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| 19:36.26 | streuner | Didn't the release r4 updated the kernel too? |
| 19:36.38 | abrotman | yes .. the .18 |
| 19:36.40 | xsamurai | if i install pkg x and apt-get installs supporting and dependant pkgs, when i want to remove the package how do i remove the additional pkgs as well ? |
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| 19:36.54 | abrotman | !tell xsamurai about why aptitude |
| 19:37.08 | Chaostya | streuner: not sure, it seems that kernel is old but syslinux stuff was uninstalled |
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| 19:37.40 | streuner | uninstalled, why that? |
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| 19:37.54 | jaggz- | can I get vnc services running on my console's x session? |
| 19:38.15 | valdyn | jaggz-: that means what? |
| 19:38.21 | jaggz- | in my old ubuntu system I could just enable the service from a control panel, which was interesting. |
| 19:38.28 | Chaostya | streuner: aptitude proposed to upgrade them to etch-and-a-half |
| 19:38.37 | streuner | argh |
| 19:38.38 | valdyn | jaggz-: maybe you mean vindo |
| 19:38.39 | valdyn | jaggz-: maybe you mean vino |
| 19:38.40 | quagga | xsamurai: apt-get autoremove works too |
| 19:38.42 | jaggz- | valdyn, meaning, if I run vncserver it normally creates a separate X session |
| 19:38.50 | Chaostya | streuner: but as I understand it needs new kernel to run |
| 19:38.53 | valdyn | jaggz-: apt-cache show vino |
| 19:38.56 | jaggz- | thanks |
| 19:38.57 | baegle | I'm trying to configure Postgresql 8.1 on Debian Etch and I'm having trouble finding the configuration files. There doesn't seem to be a postgresql.conf nor a pg_hba.conf anywhere. Is there something I'm missing here? |
| 19:39.20 | streuner | get some doubts about aptitude |
| 19:39.40 | jaggz- | hmm, gnome.. I'm using kde.. I wonder if it'll work still |
| 19:39.54 | abrotman | quagga: not in etch |
| 19:39.58 | valdyn | jaggz-: it will probably more dependencies than you need or want |
| 19:40.01 | quagga | abrotman: ah, how about that |
| 19:40.05 | streuner | i don't know, sometimes it want install and remove kinda strange stuff |
| 19:40.42 | Chaostya | streuner: my box refuses to boot, stops on GRUB loading stage 1.5 saying GRUB loading, please wait ... |
| 19:40.51 | quagga | i've never really used etch. i moved back from ubuntu and went right into lenny. before that i was using woody i believe |
| 19:40.55 | valdyn | jaggz-: krdc |
| 19:41.02 | valdyn | jaggz-: or krfc |
| 19:41.15 | jaggz- | nod.. the purpose is because 1. being able to attach from remote to something I've been doing on console is nice. and 2. while it may be because primary/secondary X sessions, this graphics program won't run in the vncserver's X session |
| 19:41.23 | quagga | streuner: yeah, i agree aptitude's fuzzy logic is a little fuzzy :) |
| 19:41.42 | htmlol | how can I tell where my soundcard is in /dev ? |
| 19:41.43 | Chaostya | streuner: I booted it with installer USB and mounted /dev/md0 to /target and I don't see anything in /target/var/log/boot |
| 19:41.54 | valdyn | htmlol: you dont need to know |
| 19:42.22 | htmlol | valdyn: I do, because I'm trying to set up shoutcast from my soundcard and I need it for that |
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| 19:42.32 | valdyn | htmlol: and shoutcast cant use alsa? |
| 19:42.37 | streuner | Chaostya: are you able to boot via CDROM? |
| 19:42.45 | LemensTS | off topic: what is your prefered opensource CRM program? |
| 19:42.57 | htmlol | valdyn: I don't know...here's what shoutcast says: |
| 19:43.20 | htmlol | # on linux, you may specify a playlist item of DSP:/dev/soundcard, where soundcard |
| 19:43.23 | htmlol | # is the name of your audio device. It's usually /dev/audio. doing so will allow |
| 19:43.26 | htmlol | # you to broadcast from a line input feed instead of mp3s on disk. |
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| 19:43.51 | valdyn | htmlol: /dev/dsp |
| 19:44.11 | Chaostya | streuner: problematic, but if I could what image should I use ? (now I use homemade bootable USB stick with debian-netinstall image) |
| 19:44.12 | htmlol | I tried that. /dev/dsp isn't there. |
| 19:44.21 | valdyn | htmlol: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
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| 19:44.36 | streuner | Chaostr: /msg dpkg grml |
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| 19:45.32 | streuner | and learn how to use/change/alter your bootloader |
| 19:45.33 | jaggz- | mom on phone |
| 19:47.05 | htmlol | valdyn: now /dev/dsp is there...I'll test it |
| 19:48.02 | Chaostya | streuner: do you think that it's GRUB's problem ? my current kernel is 2.6.18-6 but I see that complete etch-and-a-half should use 2.6.24. Could that be a problem ? |
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| 19:48.33 | htmlol | valdyn: /dev/dsp doesn't output any audio to the stream...I'll try /dev/audio |
| 19:48.40 | streuner | first error count, and you told us about grub... |
| 19:50.11 | jaggz- | krdc seems to be a client, not a server.. ? |
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| 19:51.13 | Chaostya | streuner: but basically, can I boot with removable media and load kernel and stuff from my HDD ? |
| 19:51.29 | htmlol | valdyn: neither of those worked...how would I do it with alsa? |
| 19:53.29 | streuner | Chaostr: no, you need a kernel :-) |
| 19:53.45 | streuner | (in order to use a resuce system...) |
| 19:54.45 | streuner | 1) you boot the rescue system and then 2) you modify the right changes in order to make the orginal syste to work |
| 19:54.51 | DawnLight | valdyn: it is some virtualbox message. i'll see about the cause of it, but what do i do about the message itself consuming space? |
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| 19:55.02 | DawnLight | man logrotate |
| 19:55.06 | DawnLight | oops |
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| 19:56.47 | Chaostya | streuner: the problem in 2) I don't know from where to start exploring |
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| 19:58.00 | streuner | well, start download grml and read the docs about grub then |
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| 20:05.11 | th1 | quick question: the BIND vulnerability which is all over the news, can someone point me to the debian fix for etch? |
| 20:05.54 | streuner | http://www.debian.org/security/2008/dsa-1604 |
| 20:05.58 | SerajewelKS | th1: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 20:06.15 | th1 | streuner, much obliged. SerajewelKS, I already did;) |
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| 20:08.07 | Chaostya | streuner: thank you, gonna try to load grml |
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| 20:09.15 | th1 | streuner, the page lists the heading "fixed in" but no content in that section |
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| 20:09.33 | th1 | or bind9 is not affected at all? |
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| 20:10.31 | streuner | check out debian-security ML, iam sure its mentioned there |
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| 20:10.57 | th1 | ok, thanks |
| 20:11.04 | streuner | if you using etch *AND* bind you should read the ML then |
| 20:11.16 | th1 | I use etch and bind9 on all my servers |
| 20:11.28 | th1 | most are up to date but some outlying ones haven't been updated in an eternity |
| 20:11.36 | streuner | well, time to subsribe to the ML then and check out archives |
| 20:11.44 | th1 | indeed.. |
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| 20:12.00 | th1 | the ones that clients might actually use for their name server are up to date though |
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| 20:13.27 | th1 | etch is usually the most secure linux (except for the hardened ones that are a nightmare to manage) |
| 20:13.53 | Vlet | I would like to grab a copy of the deb iso, but the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/ directory is empty... Where may I find it? |
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| 20:15.32 | th1 | Vlet, as far as I can see it's empty in all the mirrors |
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| 20:16.16 | Vlet | th1: Yep, I checked those as well :( |
| 20:16.38 | th1 | must be because it's too new ;) |
| 20:16.39 | wald0 | i have a script that runs in root mode that doesn't has permissions to the DISPLAY (:0.0), what can be the cause ? a dpkg-reconfigure not set correctly ? |
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| 20:17.08 | wald0 | is root not allowed to open graphical applications in the user's session ? |
| 20:17.32 | liable | no |
| 20:17.34 | th1 | wald0, depends, if you run a login shell then the pertinent variables will be overwritten. |
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| 20:17.37 | liable | !gksu |
| 20:17.37 | dpkg | gksu is a graphical interface for running X apps as another user such as root. aptitude install gksu. Also ask me about <sux>. |
| 20:18.26 | wald0 | liable: is a script of eeepc-acpi-scripts, a hotkey of acpi that is called by the kernel events |
| 20:18.58 | wald0 | it needs to run a xrandr command to run the output VGA (hotkey of external VGA output) |
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| 20:19.31 | th1 | wald0, as liable said if you run it under gksu it should work |
| 20:19.36 | wald0 | but after to trace the script, it fails in the xrandr command with a "Can't open display :0.0" |
| 20:19.52 | wald0 | th1: its a internal script, can't be run with gksu |
| 20:20.01 | wald0 | system script |
| 20:20.01 | th1 | you mean it's "suid"? |
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| 20:20.13 | th1 | you need to write a wrapper in C that calls it then |
| 20:20.19 | th1 | if it needs to have root privs |
| 20:20.22 | liable | wald0: come over to #debian-eeepc on oftc, theres a few issues with the scripts, thats a new one i havent heard of |
| 20:20.22 | wald0 | th1: no, its called from the kernel directly |
| 20:20.24 | th1 | and the C wrapper needs to be suid |
| 20:20.35 | th1 | ok ... |
| 20:20.39 | wald0 | ok liable |
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| 20:27.03 | deever | i have a laptop with several virtualbox machines on it connected to with bridging, so that they can directly access my lan and get ipaddresses from there... |
| 20:27.06 | deever | this works fine except that most of the time no vbox is started but i still have all these vbox ifaces and the bridge configured as my default iface |
| 20:27.09 | deever | what i now want to do is to remove this vbox* ifaces and the bridge and use eth0 regularly as long no vbox is active |
| 20:27.13 | deever | i'd prefer, when i start a vbox, first to 'ifup vboxX' what should create a bridge and add eth0 and vboxX to that bridge |
| 20:27.17 | deever | how can this be done? |
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| 20:28.17 | stegbth | hello everybody |
| 20:30.08 | stegbth | i am a little bit frustraded about rssh :(, i want to chroot a user, coming with sftp, i think i setup like described on several howto's, but i don't get an error in the log's and and the client's get's immedalty connection closed |
| 20:30.10 | th1 | deever, sure it can be done, just create a wrapper script for starting the vbox. having the bridge and the vbox interfaces enabled all the time won't cause a notable performance degradation though, so it would be easier |
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| 20:30.43 | minimax | can anyone help decipher this strace? where.ath.cx/~minimax/deliantra.log |
| 20:31.04 | th1 | minimax, what's the issue? |
| 20:31.15 | th1 | http://where.ath.cx/~minimax/deliantra.log - not found |
| 20:32.06 | minimax | th1: now retry, sorry |
| 20:32.13 | minimax | put it in ~ not ~/public_html |
| 20:32.50 | deever | th1: the problem is, it fills up the 'ifconfig' output... |
| 20:33.08 | deever | i know, my problem isn't one actually |
| 20:33.38 | deever | but i'd prefere to have as least ifaces up as possible |
| 20:33.45 | minimax | th1: it segfaults, somewhat strangely. I've tried multiple distributions, multiple libc's, etc |
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| 20:34.13 | minimax | th1: now, tried lenny as a last resort (it wouldn't compile on anything less) |
| 20:35.02 | th1 | ok |
| 20:35.18 | minimax | let me know if I need to change strace settings or something |
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| 20:36.13 | th1 | minimax, where did you get this server binary from and what is it supposed to do? |
| 20:36.27 | minimax | th1: I built it, on lenny, with gcc-4.2 |
| 20:36.42 | th1 | yes but where did you get it from and what's it supposed to do? |
| 20:36.51 | minimax | th1: www.deliantra.net |
| 20:36.59 | minimax | th1: supposed to be a game server |
| 20:37.18 | th1 | it's giving invalid iocts to all its file descriptors and finally segfaults itself |
| 20:37.36 | th1 | whatever it is, it's horribly programmed |
| 20:38.06 | th1 | try running it from a tty if you trust it |
| 20:38.13 | minimax | or just badly configured, I don't know how to properly |
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| 20:38.34 | th1 | minimax, I can see you did.. |
| 20:38.40 | th1 | the ioctsl are just bad programming |
| 20:39.22 | th1 | it creates a child process which crashes |
| 20:39.45 | th1 | try strace -f |
| 20:39.56 | _zheks | Anyone running macbook pro with linux on it? (debian/ubuntu?) |
| 20:40.07 | th1 | _zheks, I wish I could afford one ;) |
| 20:40.42 | n3kl | Is there a debian utility to install a symlink into /etc/rc2.d or something? Or change the S to K automatically, or both? |
| 20:41.01 | th1 | n3kl, update-rc, but it's aimed at scripts and not very user friendly |
| 20:41.04 | minimax | th1: same location |
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| 20:41.16 | n3kl | th1: thanks |
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| 20:42.10 | minimax | th1: btw, it uses a ton of perl |
| 20:42.38 | th1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:43.14 | th1 | well as far as I can tell it tries to open /usr/games/deliantra/var/deliantra-server/db/__db.rep.init and fails and then segfaults |
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| 20:44.04 | th1 | btw strace -f will follow forks/clones and it's useful for debugging multiprocess/multithreaded apps |
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| 20:44.59 | minimax | th1: thanks, I'll still have to wait for the dev |
| 20:45.12 | th1 | best of luck |
| 20:45.32 | minimax | th1: I'm also sure there's a load of hacks, and that it will only really work well on a perfect copy of the developer's system |
| 20:45.55 | th1 | sounds plausible ;) |
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| 20:47.11 | zyx386 | hi |
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| 20:49.32 | zyx386 | if keyborad layout is iraq (iq) and the keybord varian is kurdish awabic lattin (ku_ara), what is the keybord option in xorg.conf for that "Option"XkbLayout" "??" ? |
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| 20:49.53 | zyx386 | varian* |
| 20:51.38 | \amethyst | zyx386: should be XkbLayout "iq" and XkbVariant "ku_ara" I would think |
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| 20:52.42 | zyx386 | \amethyst, thanx but i have another keybiord layout |
| 20:52.47 | zyx386 | DK denmark |
| 20:52.56 | zyx386 | :) |
| 20:53.25 | \amethyst | zyx386: so you want two layouts, dk and iq with the ku_ara variant? |
| 20:53.28 | zyx386 | Option"XkbLayout""dk,iq" is that correct? |
| 20:53.35 | zyx386 | yes |
| 20:53.45 | \amethyst | zyx386: yes, but I'm not sure how to set the variant |
| 20:53.53 | zyx386 | :( |
| 20:53.56 | zyx386 | thanx |
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| 20:54.43 | zyx386 | if anyone her tell me that about keyboard variant in xorg.conf |
| 20:54.43 | SamuraiDio | zyx386, just look for some examples of xorg,conf in google. |
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| 20:55.00 | SamuraiDio | zyx386, i used it once, but i can't remember now |
| 20:55.13 | zyx386 | SamuraiDio, ok |
| 20:55.17 | mordy | gah, i set my CPU to work normally (i.e. the limit was 600-1200Mhz) but at reboot i see the limit is set again to 600 |
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| 20:55.32 | \amethyst | zyx386: maybe it would be Option "XkbVariant" ",ku_ara" |
| 20:55.48 | Mportnoy | Hello, What is the ISO that has the lastest kernel Kamuto ? |
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| 20:56.25 | zyx386 | \amethyst, ok |
| 20:56.46 | zyx386 | and what is the command to switch keyborad layout |
| 20:56.47 | SamuraiDio | zyx386, if you don't find anything, try #xorg |
| 20:56.48 | zyx386 | ? |
| 20:57.05 | zyx386 | thanx SamuraiDio |
| 20:57.10 | Mportnoy | I have some problems with my SATA controller, I know there is a Debian Iso with custom Kernels with the latest version, what is the download site ? |
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| 20:57.49 | streuner | Mportnoy: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 20:58.05 | snacky | Mportnoy: good job being dt's drummer |
| 20:58.19 | valdyn | !etchnhalf |
| 20:58.19 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 20:58.21 | Mportnoy | jejeje |
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| 20:58.31 | streuner | Mportnoy: is the SATA controller supported at all? |
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| 21:00.19 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel |
| 21:00.32 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, i think is that what you need |
| 21:00.54 | thinkcentre | I have bad news. I have been using debian for a couple of years now, and today I bought a laptop and installed it...but when I tried to use the touchpad, it's very very slow, and when I close the lid, and re-open, I get a blank screen. I heard Ubunto works better, so I am downloading it now |
| 21:01.25 | valdyn | thinkcentre: and the bad news is? |
| 21:01.37 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, you may need the trunk |
| 21:01.40 | zyx386 | SamuraiDio, \amethyst http://paste.debian.net/13266/ |
| 21:02.15 | Mportnoy | So whats the stable without recompiling Kernel ? |
| 21:02.22 | thinkcentre | valdyn, I have to use ubunto instead of debian |
| 21:03.15 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, you don't need to recompile yourself if you dnont' want to |
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| 21:03.36 | SamuraiDio | zyx386, remove that comma |
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| 21:03.47 | thinkcentre | Actually, I just heard ubunto has other problems too. I guess I am gonna have to go with suse. |
| 21:03.51 | Mportnoy | SamuraiDio: I need to get and ISO that wIll detect the latest Hardware , and be able to have the sources to compile some customs programs like asterisk |
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| 21:03.58 | thinkcentre | I hate rpm |
| 21:04.20 | valdyn | thinkcentre: you need to rethink your distro validation criteria |
| 21:04.27 | valdyn | thinkcentre: what you are doing makes no sense |
| 21:04.44 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, ISO? are you searchin by a debian install disc? |
| 21:05.00 | valdyn | thinkcentre: thats like saying a distro is as good as its installer - its not |
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| 21:05.03 | Mportnoy | SamuraiDio: yes, to install from scratch , like Kmuto |
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| 21:05.14 | SamuraiDio | kmuto? |
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| 21:05.35 | thinkcentre | valdyn, yeah dependencies are real pain |
| 21:05.40 | Mportnoy | SamuraiDio: /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 21:06.22 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, well, debian installer comes with some recent kernels, but they are not the latest kernels from kernel.org |
| 21:06.37 | Mportnoy | thats the problem |
| 21:06.54 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, the most recent debian kernel packages are in the wiki i sent you, but you'll need to install then with apt |
| 21:07.03 | SamuraiDio | !tell SamuraiDio about kmuto |
| 21:07.08 | thinkcentre | valdyn, ooh, I found a link that shows how to configure debian for dell |
| 21:07.19 | stegbth | does there exist a possibility to debug rssh? |
| 21:07.31 | valdyn | !debug ssh |
| 21:07.35 | valdyn | !debugssh |
| 21:07.41 | Mportnoy | SamuraiDio: the problem is that when I install it gaves me an Kernel panic |
| 21:07.43 | valdyn | oh what the fuck |
| 21:07.59 | valdyn | stegbth: start an alternate server like sshd -p <port> -vvvv |
| 21:08.26 | stegbth | valdyn: ? why ssh the problem's seems to be with rssh (the restricted chrooted shell? |
| 21:08.27 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, hmm, sotty, i can't help.. debian installer have never failed for me |
| 21:08.57 | \amethyst | stegbth: you could attach to it with a debugger from another terminal |
| 21:09.01 | valdyn | stegbth: im sure rssh has to log in too |
| 21:09.14 | valdyn | stegbth: and i dont know where your error is, you did not tell us anythign about that |
| 21:09.14 | stegbth | i get no error on the server, the client gets immedatly connection closed (on debian 4.0r3) |
| 21:09.14 | SamuraiDio | Mportnoy, but i think the installer itself has options to use other kernel instead of the instaler one... |
| 21:09.39 | \amethyst | valdyn: rssh is a restricted shell for use with rsh |
| 21:09.45 | valdyn | stegbth: you dont have to follow advice |
| 21:09.46 | \amethyst | valdyn: err, with ssh |
| 21:09.51 | zyx386 | SamuraiDio, so http://paste.debian.net/13267/ |
| 21:09.53 | Mportnoy | SamuraiDio: how is that ? Etch R4 you can tell to boot other kernel ? |
| 21:11.02 | stegbth | i want a chrooted sftp-server, so i installed rssh, setup in rssh.conf the user to allow only sftp and chroot, when the user comes with scp or ssh it get correctly logged out |
| 21:11.08 | SamuraiDio | i think it can, but never tested... just do some research |
| 21:12.06 | zyx386 | what is the command to switch keyboard layout? |
| 21:12.15 | valdyn | !keymap |
| 21:12.15 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 21:12.18 | stegbth | when he come's with sftp it get authenticated, i see in the log rssh allowing sftp; chrooting ... chroot cmd line /usr/lib/rssh/rssh_chroot_helper 2 "/usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server", and afterwards: rssh_chroot_helper new session ... |
| 21:12.45 | stegbth | changing working directory to / (inside jail) and that was it |
| 21:12.56 | SamuraiDio | zyx386, maybe, but i don't quite remember of that option. i use to have an us kwyboard with 'intl' variant, but can't remember well. better to ask on #xorg |
| 21:13.26 | zyx386 | SamuraiDio, i ask #xorg but no answer :( |
| 21:13.42 | \amethyst | stegbth: do you have /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server inside the chroot? |
| 21:14.08 | \amethyst | stegbth: I would guess so; otherwise I'd expect an error before the "rssh_chroot_helper new session" thing |
| 21:14.08 | SamuraiDio | zyx386, just wait, or ask google.com |
| 21:14.29 | zyx386 | ok |
| 21:15.15 | stegbth | \amethyst: yes, i also checked every library showed up with ldd (checked without / beginning), there all there besid linux-gate.so.1 |
| 21:16.03 | stegbth | the user come's out of ldap, so i did "getent passwd" |grep myuser >> chroot/etc/passwd |
| 21:16.36 | stegbth | and modified chroot/etc/nsswitch.conf to compat for passwd, group and shadow |
| 21:16.56 | \amethyst | stegbth: what about the shadow and group entries? |
| 21:17.03 | score | how can i determine what packages available to me (not installed) have a file? for example: gl.h? |
| 21:17.22 | \amethyst | score: apt-file search gl.h |
| 21:17.38 | \amethyst | score: that will find everything that contains "gl.h" in the name |
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| 21:17.57 | stegbth | \amethyst: what should be with shadow and group? both doesn't exist |
| 21:18.02 | mordy | gah, i set my CPU to work normally (i.e. the limit was 600-1200Mhz) but at reboot i see the limit is set again to 600 |
| 21:18.16 | mordy | (although i forgot what i did the last time to make it work) |
| 21:19.00 | \amethyst | stegbth: hm, I guess shadow might not matter, since you're not trying to log in as the user inside the chroot |
| 21:19.00 | stegbth | i moved sftp-server away, then i get an error: execv() failed no such file or directory |
| 21:19.23 | mordy | is anyone else getting these tornado-jerkoff messages? |
| 21:19.29 | \amethyst | stegbth: hm... I wonder if sftp-server needs to access /proc or /tmp or anything like that? |
| 21:20.08 | \amethyst | score: apt-file search -x '.*/gl\.h$' to find files named exactly "gl.h" |
| 21:20.09 | stegbth | /tmp is already there (cause i tried scp), i checked already several howto's, but none listed proc to get mounted |
| 21:20.12 | stegbth | but i can check |
| 21:20.23 | score | \amethyst: yeah, just did that. thanks a lot |
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| 21:22.27 | stegbth | \amethyst: no change with proc mounted on chroot/proc, mkchroot.sh doesn't have proc inside |
| 21:24.04 | \amethyst | stegbth: hm. ideally you'd want to attach a debugger to sftp-server to see what's going on (why it's exiting), but that might be a little difficult |
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| 21:24.35 | swinchen__ | Hey there. I am trying to use iceweasel on lenny. I try starting from console, or icon and it does nothing. Anyone else experiencing this? |
| 21:24.48 | \amethyst | stegbth: does sftp-server produce any log messages? |
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| 21:25.14 | \amethyst | stegbth: you might try convincing rssh to pass it -l DEBUG or even -l DEBUG3 |
| 21:25.23 | stegbth | how should i attach a debugger inside the jail to sftp-server? |
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| 21:25.52 | \amethyst | stegbth: the problem is you'll have to attach it outside the jail... and it's probably not running long enough to catch it |
| 21:26.30 | stegbth | \amethyst: i modified /etc/default/syslog already to watch chroot/dev/log also, now i get some loginformation from rssh_chroot_helper, but nothing from sftp-server |
| 21:26.35 | Chaostya | streuner: grml out of the box doesn't support see my software raid at /dev/md0, anyway I it could, what should I have done then ? copy kernel from grml to my hdd ? |
| 21:26.43 | \amethyst | stegbth: but something like gdb /chroot/usr/lib/openssh/ftp-server PID |
| 21:27.03 | stegbth | i think the process will die very fast :( |
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| 21:27.10 | \amethyst | stegbth: yeah, that's the problem |
| 21:27.15 | \amethyst | stegbth: you'll need to have it pass -l DEBUG to the sftp-server process |
| 21:27.28 | \amethyst | stegbth: Does rssh let you do that? |
| 21:27.28 | stegbth | and -l DEBUG, where should i pass this to rssh? |
| 21:27.30 | streuner | Chaostya: just ask in #grml |
| 21:27.49 | stegbth | i cant this i rssh.conf, nor in passwd (or ldap to be correct) |
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| 21:27.50 | kll | I'm having some difficulty installating etch on a Sun Fire V120. I'm netbooting. by removing dmfe and loading tulip I get usable network and get all the installer components but the installation freezes at "Detecting hardware". machine is still pingable. any tips/tricks? :) |
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| 21:28.25 | \amethyst | stegbth: aha |
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| 21:28.54 | \amethyst | stegbth: in the sshd_config (inside the chroot) add the options to the Subsystem sftp line |
| 21:29.26 | \amethyst | stegbth: Subsystem sftp /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server -l DEBUG3 or something like that |
| 21:29.33 | twobitwork | gah! what is it with programs only being documented in texinfo??? |
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| 21:29.47 | twobitwork | doesn't debian have a policy about man pages? |
| 21:30.01 | \amethyst | twobitwork: yes, packages are supposed to have man pages... which package? |
| 21:30.33 | twobitwork | cpio |
| 21:30.48 | stegbth | \amethyst: there isn't a sshd_config inside the chroot? |
| 21:30.52 | twobitwork | it has a manpage, but it just says "look at the texinfo" |
| 21:30.54 | \amethyst | twobitwork: oh... policy doesn't say the man page has to be good :) |
| 21:30.59 | twobitwork | lol |
| 21:31.58 | stegbth | i did it in /etc/ssh/sshd_config, but i doesn't like it |
| 21:31.59 | \amethyst | stegbth: hm, maybe it should be outside the chroot |
| 21:32.09 | \amethyst | stegbth: you get an error? |
| 21:32.09 | stegbth | /etc/ssh/sshd_config line 80: garbage at end of line; "-l" |
| 21:32.31 | \amethyst | stegbth: aha |
| 21:32.39 | \amethyst | stegbth: that's something that's changed between etch and sid |
| 21:33.35 | \amethyst | stegbth: the sftp-server in etch doesn't support -l, and the Subsystem keyword doesn't allow arguments |
| 21:33.38 | \amethyst | stegbth: foo |
| 21:34.14 | stegbth | but it must have something todo with chroot, cause disabling chroot in rssh it works |
| 21:35.53 | \amethyst | stegbth: hm, you might be able to try a hack like making a shell script that does exec strace -o /tmp/sftp.$$ /usr/lib/openssh/sftp-server |
| 21:36.12 | \amethyst | stegbth: then using that script instead of sftp-server in the Subsystem |
| 21:36.26 | \amethyst | stegbth: that would give at least some info |
| 21:36.32 | stegbth | does this SubSystem not get linked into the ssh server? |
| 21:37.07 | \amethyst | hm |
| 21:37.25 | \amethyst | I guess rssh might not permit that (it might run sftp-server explicitly) |
| 21:37.34 | \amethyst | I don't have rssh so I can't really test :( |
| 21:38.12 | \amethyst | stegbth: hm |
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| 21:38.32 | \amethyst | stegbth: http://www.pizzashack.org/rssh/faq.shtml#6 suggests to try copying all of /lib into the chroot |
| 21:38.55 | \amethyst | stegbth: but the author isn't sure what exactly is missing |
| 21:39.22 | \amethyst | stegbth: do you have /lib/libnss_compat* in the chroot? |
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| 21:41.35 | ma3x | why is iwl3945 transfering double less speed than under windows? |
| 21:41.40 | stegbth | yes |
| 21:42.32 | swinchen__ | NO ideas about iceweasel huh? |
| 21:42.54 | stegbth | even copieng over all of /lib doesn't solve it |
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| 21:45.15 | timnik | Hello! I'm a small bit confused as to finding the location to download debian from. All the links on http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ are broken... I also tried http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/ but it's empty. Where can I download a minimal debian from? |
| 21:46.24 | \amethyst | timnik: the cdimages are probably in the process of being updated |
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| 21:47.02 | timnik | \amethyst, ok, thanks. Would you happen to know how long does that usually takes? |
| 21:47.38 | timnik | I can find any bittorrent links either. |
| 21:47.54 | newsense-batman | http://www.us.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 21:48.27 | \amethyst | newsense-batman: those are missing too |
| 21:48.32 | newsense-batman | testing are up stable being updated now |
| 21:49.18 | deever | http://rafb.net/p/d3ZYVA18.html |
| 21:49.55 | deever | why the hell doesn't this work, WHY!? |
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| 21:51.00 | thinkcentre | I have a problem with a link that details configuring my latitude laptop. It says to edit /etc/acpi/actions/lid but I don't have that events directory. I saw lid.sh so I assume thats it, but then I also have to edit /etc/acpi/events/lid, and I DO have an events dir |
| 21:51.11 | fas3r | it's possible to use squid and X509 authentificat (with certificat to do authentification) instead of user / password ? |
| 21:51.27 | thinkcentre | should I just create an actions dir? |
| 21:51.53 | \amethyst | deever: what about ifup ath0-myhome.local ? |
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| 21:52.29 | thinkcentre | and inside the events directory there is no lid file, so I am assume the two have be consolidated and put in parent directory |
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| 21:53.11 | tvynr | Has anyone else noticed that the Debian netinstall images don't appear to be available at the moment? |
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| 21:53.55 | timnik | tvynr, yes. 2 mins ago. newsense says stable is being updated at the moment. |
| 21:54.28 | tvynr | timnik: Ah, thanks. Do you happen to know if there are Lenny installation CDs yet? I need to get running on a new laptop I just got. |
| 21:54.49 | thinkcentre | yep |
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| 21:55.02 | thinkcentre | well not sure about cd's, but the net install is available |
| 21:55.07 | bsulzer | hi ev'rybody |
| 21:55.34 | bsulzer | how do i restart the program which configures my sources.list? |
| 21:55.36 | timnik | tvynr, sorry mate... I'm a total newb. I'm here waiting for a link to a stable netinst iso so that I can try debian. |
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| 21:55.55 | tvynr | thinkcentre: Yeah, but I need the testing netinst ISO to get up and going. I don't have a BOOTP server. :) |
| 21:56.14 | tvynr | timnik: Ah, gotcha. Are you coming from another distro or is this your first dive into Linux? |
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| 21:57.18 | thinkcentre | tvynr, I downloading a net install for lenny a few weeks ago, so they are up, but I'm not sure if there is some maintenance going on at the moment |
| 21:57.25 | kll | I'm having some difficulty installating etch on a Sun Fire V120. I'm netbooting. by removing dmfe and loading tulip I get usable network and get all the installer components but the installation kinda stands still at "Detecting hardware"... any tips/tricks on where to begin troubleshooting? :) |
| 21:57.31 | tvynr | thinkcentre: Ah, thanks. :) |
| 21:57.38 | timnik | tvynr, been an ubuntu guy for 2 years, but now I want to base my final year project on something more trustworthy and stable. |
| 21:57.39 | n3kl | What do I need to build a debian package from the original source? |
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| 21:57.59 | timnik | tvynr, also am using fedora and really miss apt :-P |
| 21:58.23 | tvynr | timnik: Final year project? |
| 21:58.54 | tvynr | timnik: I'm running Debian Etch on my server box. I also use it for my LiveCD project. It's pretty hard to screw up. |
| 21:59.01 | tvynr | timnik: Very rock solid. :) |
| 21:59.03 | timnik | tvynr, yeah, I'm an undergraduate in college |
| 21:59.23 | timnik | tvynr, cool, well, that's what I've heard and want! |
| 21:59.30 | timnik | thanks :-) |
| 21:59.36 | inertia- | i am trying to get firefox3 running on etch, and i am having the error from dpkg saying that libgtk2.0-dev is too low a version; can i have two version of that installed simultaneously? |
| 21:59.50 | bsulzer | anyone? |
| 22:00.05 | tvynr | timnik: What kind of project is this, if I may ask? |
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| 22:01.17 | tvynr | bsulzer: You've installed Debian and you want to change your sources.list file now? |
| 22:02.27 | timnik | tvynr, of course you may ask. If I told you though, I'd have to kill you. ;-) |
| 22:02.30 | timnik | tvynr, it's going to be an opensource video on demand server with enterprise resource monitoring. |
| 22:02.35 | bsulzer | tvynr: yeah, it's quite a bit of time since i installed debian. i just think it's the best thing to do it automatically. |
| 22:02.39 | tvynr | timnik: Ooo, shiny. |
| 22:02.49 | timnik | :) |
| 22:02.55 | bsulzer | tvynr: i screwed up my sources.list |
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| 22:03.26 | minimax_ | how can you add just a few packages from testing? |
| 22:03.29 | tvynr | timnik: Well, if it comes down to it, I have a Debian Etch installer lying around. My upload would be kinda slow (10Kb/sec), but it'd get it to you eventually if the update takes too long. |
| 22:03.41 | tvynr | minimax_: To a stable box? You really shouldn't. Use etch-backports if possible. |
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| 22:04.21 | bsulzer | and what are backports for? |
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| 22:04.24 | tvynr | bsulzer: Not sure how to launch just that portion. I know that the part that sets up your box is called tasksel. Perhaps http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html can help you fix it manually? |
| 22:04.26 | minimax_ | tvynr: ohh.. is there a backported libc6-dev? |
| 22:04.26 | timnik | tvynr, lol, that's a very kind offer, thank you!! Us students are just impatient. I can wait a day or two, that's no problem. :-) |
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| 22:05.09 | deever | \amethyst: this is not what i want...;) |
| 22:05.19 | tvynr | bsulzer, minimax_: Backports are newer applications recompiled using older libraries. So you can get, for example, a newer package for Pidgin while running Etch. |
| 22:05.33 | tvynr | bsulzer, minimax_: But AFAIK they don't often backport libraries. |
| 22:05.41 | tvynr | minimax_: Why do you need a newer dev library? |
| 22:06.02 | deever | \amethyst: ..and gives me the error 'SET failed on device ath0-myhome.local ; No such device.' |
| 22:06.24 | bsulzer | tvynr: thx. i'm just a little scared to do it manually, since i screwed it up manually :-/ |
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| 22:08.00 | tvynr | bsulzer: So it can't get much worse, right? |
| 22:08.18 | bsulzer | tvynr: i hope so |
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| 22:08.35 | GeckoPie | Whenever trying to install something via aptitude, it fails with the following message: |
| 22:08.38 | GeckoPie | Writing extended state information... Done |
| 22:08.38 | tvynr | timnik: 'kay. And I understand entirely; I'm starting a graduate program in the fall. :) |
| 22:08.41 | GeckoPie | dpkg: syntax error: unknown group `Debian-exim' in statoverride file |
| 22:08.41 | dpkg | GeckoPie: i don't know |
| 22:08.43 | GeckoPie | Anyone any idea on how I can resolve this? |
| 22:08.46 | GeckoPie | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (2) |
| 22:08.48 | GeckoPie | A package failed to install. Trying to recover: |
| 22:09.00 | tvynr | GeckoPie: Yeah, I saw this once. You in the middle of a dist-upgrade? |
| 22:09.02 | GeckoPie | dpkg: I wasn't talking to you sorry, that was an error message |
| 22:09.02 | dpkg | GeckoPie: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 22:09.10 | streuner | hehe |
| 22:09.11 | GeckoPie | tvynr: Nope? |
| 22:09.15 | streuner | GeckoPie: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 22:09.18 | timnik | tvynr, hehe. Well, good luck with your studies and thanks for the kind words :) |
| 22:10.03 | GeckoPie | streuner: It says: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 22:11.14 | tvynr | GeckoPie: Your problem is the Debian-exim entry in the /var/lib/dpkg/statoverride file; if you delete it, things will work again. But I'm not sure that's a good plan; you might want to get someone here to give feedback as to this cavalier approach. |
| 22:11.49 | GeckoPie | Hmm, strange |
| 22:11.58 | GeckoPie | I did purge exim yesterday |
| 22:12.03 | GeckoPie | I'm confused to why this has caused problems |
| 22:12.06 | trapa | Hi there, I have a quick question, Where would i find a debian unstable netinstall iso? I'm trying to set up a server, i would like to use unstable, stable doesn't find the network card, and i'm nervious to install with testing and try to make it unstable later. |
| 22:12.15 | ma3x | why is iwl3945 transfering double less speed than under windows? |
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| 22:12.31 | streuner | trapa: /msg dpkg kmuto |
| 22:12.43 | tvynr | GeckoPie: It probably just didn't clean up after itself properly, then. It deleted the Debian-exim user but dpkg still has a record of it. Wax that line in your dpkg file and it'll clean up after itself. |
| 22:12.48 | streuner | trapa: there aren't any unstable isos |
| 22:12.48 | GeckoPie | root Debian-exim 0640 /etc/exim4/passwd.client |
| 22:12.51 | GeckoPie | That's the line |
| 22:12.54 | GeckoPie | doesn't seem important |
| 22:12.59 | GeckoPie | I'll remove? |
| 22:13.11 | tvynr | Sounds good to me,. |
| 22:13.17 | ma3x | is ipw3945 better than iwl3945? |
| 22:13.20 | ma3x | or both are slow? |
| 22:13.23 | GeckoPie | thanks tvynr |
| 22:13.25 | streuner | trapa: if you running a server, you should using etch/stable, and just use another NIC which is supported |
| 22:13.53 | tvynr | trapa: Or build a custom module for your machine using stable and then port it onto the CD. It's not pretty stuff, though. |
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| 22:14.20 | trapa | streuner: Easier said than done, It's a broadcom gigabit card so it can't be that rare, but it's built into the motherboard in a 1u rack case .. so switching it out (without buying a whole differnt server) is out of the question, ... |
| 22:14.45 | trapa | streuner: and i think replacing the server because debian stable won't install nicely probably isn't the best answer either ... |
| 22:15.06 | streuner | find a better answer then, good luck :-) |
| 22:15.48 | trapa | maybe ubuntu server i suppose .. or centos. |
| 22:15.50 | streuner | answers would be, "kmuto" or/and etchnhalf |
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| 22:16.45 | streuner | that would be a bad choice, from my point of view :-P |
| 22:16.46 | trapa | Heck even a stable version with the latest kernel would probably work wouldn't it? I'm no linux super-guru. |
| 22:17.07 | streuner | use usenet to find out |
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| 22:17.16 | streuner | (groups.google.com) |
| 22:17.17 | n3kl | ma3x: I think one is for lenny and one is for etch |
| 22:17.29 | tvynr | It'd be nice if there were an easier way to put a brand shiny new backport kernel onto a Debian installer CD> |
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| 22:18.02 | ma3x | n3kl: but are they using the same driver? i mean iwl3945 is so slow for me. should i switch back to ipw3945 |
| 22:18.12 | streuner | d-i team already uses the latest kernel |
| 22:18.32 | n3kl | ma3x: dunno man, I don't have that new of hardware =] |
| 22:18.50 | |mcfloppy| | help |
| 22:18.52 | tvynr | streuner: So you can get a stable Etch install disc with 2.6.25 on it? |
| 22:19.03 | |mcfloppy| | i habe a video which runs under vlc on win xp |
| 22:19.22 | streuner | tvynr: /msg dpkg kmuto - that's for sure, not sure about d-i |
| 22:19.22 | |mcfloppy| | on my debian vdr it isnt displayed |
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| 22:19.51 | |mcfloppy| | MPEG sequence, v1, system multiplex |
| 22:20.02 | |mcfloppy| | this is the output from file |
| 22:20.09 | cslater | building an apt package to install web site content. One of the files installed is /etc/apache2/sites-available/default. There is another site file in that directory (called ha) that is part of another package, and one that I want to stay. When I install the deb, the ha file gets deleted |
| 22:20.22 | cslater | question is what am I doing wrong? thanks for help on this |
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| 22:22.14 | jeffspeff | hi all, i'm a complete newb to debian; i see that the r4 was released saturday (i think), but i can't find any .iso's anywhere. i'd like to download the dvd's but would gladly settle for the cd's... any help would be appreciated. |
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| 22:22.39 | streuner | argh |
| 22:22.49 | streuner | this r4 give us headaches |
| 22:23.12 | streuner | !d-i jeffspeff |
| 22:23.12 | dpkg | jeffspeff, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 22:24.04 | streuner | !+tell jeffspeff -about ig |
| 22:24.06 | dpkg | told jeffspeff about ig. |
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| 22:25.59 | frando | Hey. Have a server here running debian etch. Just wanted to update with aptitude, but then I got: |
| 22:26.04 | frando | libc6-i386 depends on libc6 (= 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7); however: Version of libc6 on system is 2.3.6.ds1-13etch2. |
| 22:26.25 | frando | (error from dpkg) |
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| 22:26.45 | streuner | frando: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
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| 22:28.00 | cire | hi. I wrote some scripts, and now want to package them into my own .deb file, so that reinstalling is easier (automatically setting links etc). Do you know a good howto for building binary packages? |
| 22:28.03 | jeffspeff | streuner, why did you give me a link to the devel page of lenny? i'm wanting a stable release... doesn't even have to be the r4... i just need debian to do some cross-compiling stuff... all the mirrors i've checked don't have any .iso's on them. |
| 22:29.25 | frando | streuner: http://paste.debian.net/13276/ |
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| 22:29.52 | abrotman | swears the guy responsible for dpkg triggers has stock in storage companies |
| 22:30.00 | jeffspeff | streuner, for instance, the following link is supposed to give me i386 dvd images... http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-dvd/ but it get a 404, page not found |
| 22:30.04 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: huh? |
| 22:30.12 | abrotman | the menu triggers etc |
| 22:30.22 | abrotman | i assumed they were part of dpkg internals |
| 22:30.34 | zyx386 | abrotman, |
| 22:30.36 | zyx386 | hi |
| 22:30.39 | abrotman | zyx386: |
| 22:30.41 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:30.51 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no? |
| 22:31.08 | zyx386 | i'll use tow kebourd layout 1. Denmark Dk 2, iraq IQ with kurdish arabic latin variant ku_ara |
| 22:31.18 | thinkcentre | I can never get wireless working, someone have lots of experience? |
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| 22:31.32 | frando | streuner: what's the best way to resolve this? |
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| 22:31.37 | abrotman | thinkcentre: we need more information, such as your wifi chipset and version of debian at least |
| 22:31.43 | zyx386 | is this correct ? abrotman |
| 22:31.44 | zyx386 | http://paste.debian.net/13267 |
| 22:31.53 | zyx386 | xorg.conf |
| 22:31.56 | thinkcentre | I have dell latitude and debian 2.6.18, so the drivers should be in the kernel |
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| 22:32.24 | thinkcentre | Intel Pro/Wireless 2200BG, so I guess prism |
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| 22:32.27 | jeffspeff | can anybody help me? i'm just wanting to download *any* fairly recent stable release... i can't find any .iso's on any of the mirrors... |
| 22:32.40 | streuner | frando: iam not sure, what kind of CPU do you use? |
| 22:32.46 | zyx386 | thinkcentre, 'lspci' |
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| 22:32.58 | jhutchins_wk | Is there anywhere besides /etc/sysconfig/clock that Linux systems keep track of whether the system clock is set to UTC? |
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| 22:33.25 | thinkcentre | zyx386, it says Intel PRO/Wireless 2200BG |
| 22:33.25 | frando | streuner: Linux2.6.18-5-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Oct 2 20:37:02 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linu |
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| 22:33.33 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i can't find the appropriate docs, but things like "Processing triggers for man-db ..." etc |
| 22:33.44 | thinkcentre | zyx386, oh, also at the end (rev 05) ...not sure if thats important |
| 22:33.51 | frando | streuner: don't know much about the server, did not set it up. |
| 22:34.08 | abrotman | thinkcentre: uh no .. /msg dpkg ipw2200 |
| 22:34.30 | abrotman | zyx386: not sure if that's right |
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| 22:34.52 | abrotman | jeffspeff: you can use the r3 installer? |
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| 22:34.56 | abrotman | zyx386: not sure if that's right |
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| 22:35.13 | thinkcentre | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.53 | jeffspeff | abrotman, what do you mean the "installer" i don't have an existing debian box. im going to install in vmware... i need an iso of some type to boot from |
| 22:36.06 | abrotman | jeffspeff: right .. what's wrong with the netinst ? |
| 22:36.17 | tvynr | abrotman: The netinst site is broken. |
| 22:36.27 | abrotman | there are mirrors |
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| 22:36.28 | tvynr | abrotman: All the links are down because they're building r4, apparently. |
| 22:36.42 | abrotman | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 22:36.50 | jeffspeff | abrotman, the entire download mirrors, everything! nothing has any type of .iso anywhere! its rediculous |
| 22:36.54 | abrotman | that one works |
| 22:36.58 | tvynr | huzzah! |
| 22:37.21 | abrotman | might not be fast .. but it's there |
| 22:37.51 | jeffspeff | abrotman, thanks! i've been looking for hours just trying to find something! that mirror wouldn't have anything other than just the net install would it? |
| 22:38.02 | abrotman | sure .. just remove the file name |
| 22:38.23 | abrotman | though i'd use the netinst .. since it's already one version behind .. you're going to have to get tons from the net anyways .. no point in making a bigger CD of useless stuff |
| 22:38.41 | abrotman | netinst or bizcard |
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| 22:39.40 | frando | streuner: does the full dkpg message in http://paste.debian.net/13276/ maybe tell you what the problem could be? |
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| 22:40.56 | frando | streuner: this part: dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6.ds1-13etch7_amd64.deb (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/lib64', which is also in package libpam-plesk |
| 22:41.07 | frando | I never liked plesk. *moan* |
| 22:42.28 | abrotman | lovely |
| 22:43.01 | mlLK | is fuse the most practical solution for file-sharing w/ virtualbox |
| 22:43.07 | streuner | well, don't use unoffical mirrors in sources.list then :-P |
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| 22:43.30 | frando | streuner: well, yeah, as I said, I didn't setup the server ;) I wouldn't have installed plesk, anyways.. |
| 22:43.34 | DawnLight | hello. how much space should i need for /boot? |
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| 22:44.00 | streuner | 100 MB should be more than enough |
| 22:44.24 | frando | streuner: by googling I found http://forum.swsoft.com/showthread.php?t=50542 - if you could have a quick look - does the solution in the second last post look reasonable to you? |
| 22:45.14 | abrotman | no |
| 22:46.08 | abrotman | !tell frando about overwrite |
| 22:47.11 | frando | abrotman: yeah, thought in the lines of that, that's why I asked. So the right thing to do would be to talk to plesk guys? ayy |
| 22:47.26 | frando | just wanted to quickly install subversion on the server, and now this |
| 22:47.47 | frando | abrotman: or do you have another idea on what to do? see http://paste.debian.net/13276/ |
| 22:48.19 | abrotman | frando: plesk is unofficial .. i doubt they care in the slightest |
| 22:48.37 | tvynr | Is there any real reason for /boot to be its own partition these days? |
| 22:49.02 | abrotman | not IMO |
| 22:49.10 | tvynr | 'kay |
| 22:49.16 | tvynr | Just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something. Thanks. :) |
| 22:49.25 | frando | abrotman: yeah, I know all this. the thing is, I just need to have subversion installed on the server, and that depends on a higher version of libc6 than the one that's installed |
| 22:49.52 | frando | abrotman: i don't think either that plesk cares in any way. so how could one procede? |
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| 22:50.34 | swinchen__ | Ok, odd. I can run iceweasel as root, but not a regular user. |
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| 22:50.42 | tvynr | frando: It looks like your packages are from Etch. Etch shouldn't need a higher version its own libraries to install a package. sudo apt-get install subversion didn't work for you? |
| 22:51.42 | frando | tvynr: no, the situation is that I can't update libc6 to the newest package from etch because of the conflict with libpam-plesk |
| 22:52.36 | frando | tvynr: so subversion needs libc6 2.3..6.ds1-13etch5, currently installes is etch2 and I can't update because of the mentioned conflict |
| 22:52.40 | tvynr | frando: Aaah, okay. Thanks. :) |
| 22:53.37 | abrotman | frando: the bot already told you |
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| 22:54.05 | frando | abrotman: yeah, so there's a bug in the plesk package. so nothing to do until plesk fixes it? |
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| 22:54.50 | abrotman | frando: like i said .. doubt they care |
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| 22:55.26 | frando | abrotman: so you say that there is just NO solution? that sucks. |
| 22:55.45 | abrotman | frando: the bot gave you the solution |
| 22:55.55 | tvynr | frando: So plesk demands a specific version of the library and subversion wants a later one? |
| 22:56.10 | tvynr | frando: Couldn't you just rebuild the plesk package? Pain in the neck, I know, but it'd fix it, yes? |
| 22:56.24 | frando | abrotman: you mean apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> ? |
| 22:56.32 | abrotman | yes |
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| 22:56.59 | abrotman | tvynr: not quite |
| 22:57.09 | frando | abrotman: tvynr: so - upgrading libc6 with ---force-overwrite and then reinstalling libpam-plesk? |
| 22:57.18 | abrotman | shouldn't have to |
| 22:57.44 | frando | so just apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" upgrade . will try that then. |
| 22:58.02 | tvynr | frando: I don't think I'd do that. |
| 22:58.22 | tvynr | frando: abrotman seems to be suggesting that there's an easier way |
| 22:58.26 | frando | tvynr: abrotman: not? what then? |
| 22:58.52 | tvynr | !tell tvynr about overwrite |
| 22:58.54 | abrotman | just do what you said .. don't worry about libpam-plesk |
| 22:59.13 | frando | abrotman: ok. thanks a lot! |
| 22:59.13 | tvynr | frando: nvm |
| 22:59.19 | tvynr | frando: I misunderstood. :) |
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| 22:59.46 | inertia- | i am trying to get firefox3 running on etch, and i am having the error from dpkg saying that libgtk2.0-dev is too low a version; can i have two version of that installed simultaneously? |
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| 23:00.32 | abrotman | inertia-: yes it is .. not easily . and not worth it |
| 23:00.54 | tvynr | inertia-: Not AFAIK. Is there a backport for Firefox 3 for Etch or something? That was part of the reason I upgraded to Lenny; I didn't want to have to deal with that anymore. |
| 23:01.14 | tvynr | inertia-: Or are you trying to build your own backport? I didn't get very far with that. |
| 23:01.33 | abrotman | inertia-: FF3 requires gtk2.10 .. etch has 2.8 |
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| 23:02.57 | inertia- | abrotman / tvynr: i am on etch, there is no backport in the backports.org repo, and i am trying to just compile fx3 on my own by referencing the mozilla build instructions (i am doing this because i cant find an installer because i am on powerpc) |
| 23:03.18 | abrotman | it won't work |
| 23:03.21 | inertia- | tvynr: i dont want to switch to lenny, i really value the stability |
| 23:03.26 | abrotman | and FF3 isn't really worth it |
| 23:03.38 | inertia- | it is imo :) i like 'smart search' |
| 23:03.44 | inertia- | i've used it for months on gentoo here |
| 23:03.45 | abrotman | but you value stability? :) |
| 23:03.56 | inertia- | it's more stable than 2 for me |
| 23:04.00 | abrotman | inertia-: you'd have to backport gtk2.10 .. and god knows what else |
| 23:04.04 | tvynr | inertia-: Yeah... ouch. Firefox 3 requires a whole slew of new libraries that Etch doesn't provide. I tried to fix this problem by simply building my own libgtk2.0-dev by backporting that too. Things kinda went downhill from there. |
| 23:04.18 | abrotman | !firefox 3 etch |
| 23:04.18 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it |
| 23:04.21 | abrotman | yay! |
| 23:04.25 | runa_ | hi i have make a backup of a partition and now i would like to get only some files from it. with dd and mkfs.ext3 i created a file to be my "partition". I wanted to use imagemagic to restore the backup on it. The problem is that imagemagic wants a device.... How can i create a device associated to that file? |
| 23:05.08 | tvynr | inertia-: IMHO, Firefox 3 is definitely nicer. Much more stable and far less in the way of memory leaks. |
| 23:05.08 | abrotman | oh ffs .. that's a great way to break it |
| 23:05.08 | tvynr | abrotman: Oh, very nice. Good macro. |
| 23:05.09 | htmlol | yeah, but it has all those bugs with the graphics and all |
| 23:05.09 | abrotman | tvynr: not really .. not good instructions |
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| 23:05.16 | tvynr | runa_: Can you use the loopback device? |
| 23:05.35 | inertia- | abrotman / tvynr: thanks, i'll read that link from the bot. has debian always had this problem with dependencies being old? i would like to just run multiple versions of libgtk2+ simultaneously |
| 23:06.15 | abrotman | inertia-: you can put it in /usr/local/ .. it's just not a clean way to do it |
| 23:06.24 | tvynr | runa_: I don't know imagemagic but if it's a Linux application, you can get /dev/loop0 to host the file for you with losetup. |
| 23:06.24 | runa_ | tvynr could you explain better? |
| 23:06.25 | inertia- | yeah i'm fine doing that though |
| 23:06.35 | inertia- | i'll record what changes i've made, and the reasons for it |
| 23:06.45 | abrotman | inertia-: might want to look at stow/checkinstall |
| 23:06.57 | tvynr | runa_: You might try Googling "linux loopback device" for instructions; it's been a while since I've used it. |
| 23:07.46 | runa_ | thanks! very kind! |
| 23:08.00 | DawnLight | anyone tried grml? it is fun |
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| 23:08.42 | tvynr | runa_: Good luck. Let us know if you have any trouble. :) |
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| 23:09.13 | inertia- | abrotman: ah thanks i just installed stow; is checkinstall a part of stow? |
| 23:09.29 | abrotman | no .. might not bve in etch |
| 23:09.41 | inertia- | checkinstall is pretty old actually; thanks for the tip |
| 23:09.55 | tvynr | inertia-: checkinstall allows you to keep tabs on make so that you can tell which files it has installed. It's a sort of weak replacement for a packaging system. |
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| 23:10.32 | inertia- | abrotman / tvynr |
| 23:10.39 | tvynr | That's us. ;) |
| 23:10.45 | inertia- | abrotman / tvynr: is there support for say, having a parallel lenny install ? |
| 23:10.47 | inertia- | yes :) |
| 23:10.50 | tvynr | Colon key is right by enter, huh? |
| 23:10.51 | tvynr | :-p |
| 23:10.54 | inertia- | indeed |
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| 23:11.03 | tvynr | inertia-: Sure there is. Ever set up a chroot? |
| 23:11.07 | inertia- | yes |
| 23:11.15 | tvynr | inertia-: It's its own special variety of a pain in the neck, but it'll do the job. |
| 23:11.17 | inertia- | but i want to run things how shall we say, seamlessly |
| 23:11.20 | inertia- | yeah :/ |
| 23:11.30 | tvynr | inertia-: Well, it depends how seamless you want it. |
| 23:12.13 | tvynr | inertia-: When I was using a 32-bit chroot, I had my 32-bit apps merged pretty closely with my 64-bit filesystem. They could see the contents of /dev, they could communicate with my 64-bit apps via DCOP, etc. I hadn't gotten around to making printing work. |
| 23:12.18 | lucas_ | is it possible to enable desktop icons drag-select in xfce ? |
| 23:12.28 | abrotman | inertia-: chroot |
| 23:12.28 | tvynr | inertia-: And you've gotta admit: it'd give you the complete Lenny experience in a nice, sealed container. |
| 23:13.26 | inertia- | yeah |
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| 23:13.36 | inertia- | thanks for the suggestion; i think im going to try out stow |
| 23:13.39 | cslater | If you build an apt package and it puts a file in /etc/apache2/sites-available is it supposed to squash other files in that directory? Mine is doing that and I can't figure out why |
| 23:13.42 | inertia- | you guys have been a big help ! |
| 23:14.07 | jaggz- | createuser -D ... for the OCD sysadmins? |
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| 23:20.54 | DawnLight | when will HDDs become fast? |
| 23:21.08 | extor | How is traffic shaping via kernel calls done on linux boxes? I want to throttle traffic based on IP addresses, so how may I do that? |
| 23:21.19 | abrotman | DawnLight: they're far better than 10 years ago |
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| 23:21.40 | tvynr | extor: I personally use Shorewall for my firewalling and traffic shaping needs. |
| 23:21.56 | DawnLight | i want to go to sleep already. have some gardening tomorrow |
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| 23:22.11 | extor | tvynr, shorewall sucks up a lot of CPU though, I was looking for something kernel based so it wouldn't drag the box down |
| 23:22.14 | jaggz- | do we really store data in spinning platters??? |
| 23:22.49 | tvynr | extor: Oh. Well, Shorewall uses iptables for its traffic filtering. If you're in a high traffic environment, you're going to want something compiled directly against netfilter, I think. |
| 23:22.56 | tvynr | extor: No experience there, I'm afraid. |
| 23:23.06 | extor | netfilter...that sounds familiar |
| 23:23.07 | tvynr | jaggz-: Sadly, yes. Don't worry. SSDs will save us soon. |
| 23:23.18 | tvynr | extor: Netfiler is the library that handles traffic shaping. |
| 23:23.20 | extor | heard of tc? or PFIFO(or something like that?) |
| 23:23.26 | tvynr | extor: iptables is an interface into it |
| 23:23.53 | tvynr | extor: tc is what I used to use to do my traffic classification before I switched to Shorewall. I had one hell of a fugly firewall script. |
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| 23:24.19 | tvynr | extor: You can have netfilter classify packets for QoS. I did this through iptables, of course. |
| 23:24.20 | x03 | can someone tell me what kernel is in apt for sid now ? |
| 23:24.35 | extor | hmmm I was under the impression iptables was a CPU hog |
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| 23:24.42 | x03 | 2.6.25-x-686 ? |
| 23:25.24 | deadcat | x03: yes. |
| 23:25.33 | abrotman | x03: packages.debian.org |
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| 23:30.38 | deadcat | i am guessing bittornado is pretty dumb compare to some other ones right? like i cant just download 1 file from a torrent right? |
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| 23:33.02 | ma3x | why is my wireless in linux so slow than in windows? |
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| 23:33.43 | ponyofdeath | anyone know if i can push a static route for a whole subnet using dhcpd? |
| 23:34.23 | deadcat | ma3x: no idea |
| 23:34.46 | ma3x | well it runs pretty much faster in windows |
| 23:34.53 | jaggz- | dawnlight, I guess they'll be replaced |
| 23:34.57 | Seb | is there an option to apt-get so "apt-get install somethingthatexist somethingthatdoesnt" will work and not error out because somethingthatdoesnt, well, doesn't exist ? :) |
| 23:36.04 | jaggz- | maybe.. someone might answer that. otherwise you can do: for i in exists notexists exists2; do aptitude install $i; done |
| 23:36.50 | jaggz- | I know that's not the best solution for multiple packages of course.. maybe someone has a better idea |
| 23:36.57 | jaggz- | i can't believe we have spammers in irc |
| 23:37.39 | flami | does anyone know what vsz means when i run ps aux ? is that the memory of the software + shared libs ? |
| 23:37.50 | jaggz- | man ps |
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| 23:42.03 | flami | it says what it is? :P I guess i missed it then |
| 23:42.19 | JordiGH | looks at #417209. Low-hanging fruit? |
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| 23:43.43 | JordiGH | Important isn't RC, right? |
| 23:43.46 | abrotman | JordiGH: if you want to fix it .. send a patch |
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| 23:44.41 | JordiGH | abrotman: Josselin seems to think that it's not just a matter of adding #includes, but actually needs some repackaging. |
| 23:45.28 | abrotman | that's not repackaging .. that's removal |
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| 23:53.21 | DawnLight | so whats up |
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| 23:54.00 | JordiGH | Is a segfault important or serious? |
| 23:54.14 | JordiGH | thinks that #480431 should be RC. |
| 23:54.37 | abrotman | depends |
| 23:54.44 | abrotman | is that all you do all day is look at bugs? |
| 23:55.01 | JordiGH | Well, I want to fix some. :-) |
| 23:55.12 | JordiGH | At least this is my bug. I think I have a good chance of fixing this one. |
| 23:55.15 | DawnLight | fix them, i say |
| 23:55.45 | DawnLight | i'd love to see them bugs fixed |
| 23:57.42 | abrotman | there is a list of RC bugs .. and either of you could probably fix some of them |
| 23:58.05 | DawnLight | even if i don't code? |
| 23:58.29 | JordiGH | Some of them seem to be easy packaging bugs. E.g. someone has the dependencies wrong. |
| 23:58.52 | DawnLight | i don't package, also |
| 23:58.58 | abrotman | DawnLight: you could learn :)_ |
| 23:59.12 | JordiGH | abrotman: Yeah, I was looking over the rc bugs. I'd love to fix the Maxima bugs, especially since the maintainer is MIA, but man, who knows that much Lisp anymore? :-/ |
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| 23:59.48 | dmilith | hi |
| 23:59.55 | JordiGH | It's a pity that Maxima is so outdated too. Is it possible to get a newer version of Maxima packaged despite the freeze? |
