| 00:00.07 | dmilith | only wanted to ask what is the difference between xfree86 and xorg? |
| 00:00.07 | JordiGH | I mean, a new version of Maxima for lenny. |
| 00:00.29 | JordiGH | dmilith: xorg is a fork of xfree86 after the xfree86 lead dev went nuts and made his license non-free. |
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| 00:00.42 | abrotman | JordiGH: it appears to have been fixed |
| 00:00.51 | fas3r | it's possible to encapsule radius over ssh ? |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | dmilith: you'd probably want to ask #xorg |
| 00:01.01 | DawnLight | i love software development but i don't see myself coding. it'd be interesting for me to lead a software project, though |
| 00:01.13 | JordiGH | DawnLight: That sounds awfully PHB. |
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| 00:01.41 | JordiGH | Wait, is Camm Maguire back? |
| 00:01.42 | DawnLight | doesn't know the PHB acronym |
| 00:02.15 | JordiGH | Pointy-haired boss. |
| 00:02.17 | JordiGH | Dilbertism. |
| 00:02.19 | abrotman | DawnLight: read dilbert |
| 00:02.31 | DawnLight | i've seen a few episodes |
| 00:02.37 | abrotman | it's a comic strip |
| 00:02.39 | abrotman | dilbert.com |
| 00:02.59 | JordiGH | Better interface, http://dribibu.xs4all.nl/dilbert.html |
| 00:03.30 | abrotman | it really doesn't matter what the interface is if it doesn't have all the historical strips |
| 00:04.13 | DawnLight | can i watch graphics in... cli? |
| 00:04.34 | JordiGH | DawnLight: Yeah, there are tricks to do so via various ASCII drivers. |
| 00:04.54 | DawnLight | ahuh |
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| 00:05.28 | DawnLight | rsync done -- back to work |
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| 00:06.16 | Greyscale | hmm |
| 00:06.30 | Greyscale | somehow, I have removed the partition map on a drive full of stuff I need |
| 00:06.35 | JordiGH | Is anyone else getting weird spam from SimiMerle? |
| 00:06.35 | Greyscale | can it be recovered? |
| 00:07.01 | JordiGH | Greyscale: Yeah. parted has a rescue option. |
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| 00:07.12 | varney | hi - i'm wondering if PHP has its openssl module installed on Etch by default? coz i really don't fancy rebuilding php... |
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| 00:07.34 | abrotman | varney: apt-cache search php5 ssl ? |
| 00:07.35 | Greyscale | JordiGH, gparted? |
| 00:07.40 | JordiGH | Greyscale: http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/manual/html_node/rescue.html |
| 00:07.55 | JordiGH | I don't know if gparted has a frontend to this... |
| 00:08.06 | JordiGH | But parted's rescue command is not hard to use. |
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| 00:08.24 | Lectus | Hi! where can I get ISOs for 4.0r4? are they already available? |
| 00:08.29 | abrotman | not available yet |
| 00:08.33 | thingfish | yeah maybe it shouldn't have been posted on the home page until it was actually available |
| 00:08.44 | abrotman | why .. it is available |
| 00:08.54 | thingfish | it is? |
| 00:09.01 | thingfish | .isos? |
| 00:09.04 | varney | abrotman: that command doesn't return anything special :( |
| 00:09.05 | crashanddie | varney, http://undercity.doesntexist.com/~crashanddie/phpinfo.php |
| 00:09.17 | thingfish | netinstall images? |
| 00:09.24 | abrotman | varney: maybe built-in ? though ssl requires an exception .. which maybe isn't there |
| 00:09.25 | crashanddie | varney, this is not entirely default, but I only installed apt-get provided packages, no compilation what so ever |
| 00:10.04 | varney | hm i must check my own phpinfo |
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| 00:11.01 | Greyscale | JordiGH, what ARE start and end? MB? |
| 00:11.25 | varney | yep, i see OpenSSL support there.. :) |
| 00:11.41 | JordiGH | Greyscale: Yeah, you have to give an estimate of where you think the lost partition is. |
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| 00:12.55 | JordiGH | Alright, ppp-71-139-237-2.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net is sending me weird spam. Take it with an IRCop? |
| 00:13.09 | oystein | hello all! was just wondering, will "sudo killall wvdial" disconnect my usb modem? |
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| 00:13.32 | oystein | or just mess things up in some way |
| 00:13.41 | JordiGH | Why sudo? |
| 00:15.00 | oystein | hmm funny question, i just thought i had to sudo/su it because i need root priveligies to execute the connect script |
| 00:15.14 | oystein | gnome-ppp wont do btw |
| 00:16.59 | JordiGH | Something seems wrong if you had to use root to use a modem... |
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| 00:17.46 | oystein | hmm maybe, but anyways, will killall wvdial disconnect my usb modem? thats actually only what matters atm ;) |
| 00:18.13 | abrotman | killall pppd ? |
| 00:18.30 | Greyscale | JordiGH, its not working |
| 00:18.40 | JordiGH | Greyscale: It's not finding your partition? |
| 00:18.57 | JordiGH | Greyscale: You could just tell it to search ALL of the disk, from start to end. |
| 00:19.05 | Greyscale | lots of false hits |
| 00:19.10 | Greyscale | I'm searching 5000 -1 |
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| 00:19.24 | Greyscale | This time |
| 00:19.30 | JordiGH | Greyscale: You get false hits when your guess seems to be way off... Better guess? |
| 00:19.39 | Greyscale | I was doing 0 -1 |
| 00:19.47 | Greyscale | I got lots of false hits for that |
| 00:19.52 | Greyscale | I'm trying 5000 -1 now :P |
| 00:19.59 | JordiGH | I'm not sure -1 is the right thing to try. |
| 00:20.07 | JordiGH | Does parted know that means "end"? |
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| 00:22.04 | Greyscale | JordiGH, seems to |
| 00:22.23 | Greyscale | It found it! |
| 00:22.25 | Greyscale | I think! |
| 00:23.34 | JordiGH | Greyscale: Try it. Worse that could happen, it's wrong, you delete the table, and you try again. |
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| 00:24.07 | Greyscale | Glorious, its all there! |
| 00:24.12 | Greyscale | Files! Hurruh! |
| 00:24.14 | JordiGH | \o/ |
| 00:24.19 | JordiGH | !champagne |
| 00:24.24 | Greyscale | it was from exactly 5001MB till the end of the disk |
| 00:24.29 | Greyscale | like I guessed... |
| 00:24.42 | Greyscale | a /home dir is recovered! \o/ |
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| 00:26.13 | seeker100 | hi one and all good news to share |
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| 00:26.33 | abrotman | you're pregnant?! |
| 00:26.44 | seeker100 | a not even close |
| 00:26.55 | abrotman | oh well |
| 00:26.59 | Greyscale | Your abortion was successful?! |
| 00:27.14 | HappyHater | you just saved a bunch of money on your car insurance? |
| 00:27.37 | seeker100 | a couple of you were helping me as seeker95 last night and lo and behold i found my lost debian 20 gig and now am chatting from that box |
| 00:27.37 | JordiGH | Debian's gotten corporate backing, is still free, and is gaining ground on Mac OS X? |
| 00:27.40 | JordiGH | (we can all dream) |
| 00:27.45 | Greyscale | You heard of a great deal on V1agra and C1al1s? |
| 00:27.52 | abrotman | you lost it ? |
| 00:28.01 | seeker100 | yep and it is found |
| 00:28.05 | seeker100 | long story |
| 00:28.13 | JordiGH | Yay, Debian. |
| 00:28.24 | crashanddie | how is that good news for us ? |
| 00:28.41 | abrotman | seeker100: was blind? and now you see? |
| 00:28.47 | seeker100 | so got all my updates and now when i boot i have several to choose from what boot file do i go to to change the options list |
| 00:28.47 | dante_2core | debian \o/ |
| 00:28.52 | crashanddie | I love how "good news" is utterly subjective, even when talking to something shy of 800 people |
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| 00:31.19 | Katty | evening! |
| 00:31.25 | pipegeek | evening. |
| 00:32.08 | seeker100 | adios all |
| 00:32.10 | JordiGH | !greet Katty |
| 00:32.10 | dpkg | Howdy, Katty |
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| 00:33.41 | coffee1 | DEBBY |
| 00:33.43 | coffee1 | the DEBIAN |
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| 00:33.57 | JordiGH | We got the Debbie and the Ian and the Debian. |
| 00:34.06 | coffee1 | i dated debbie |
| 00:34.11 | coffee1 | her favorite color was EF EF EF |
| 00:34.12 | JordiGH | Ian's wife? |
| 00:34.15 | coffee1 | yea |
| 00:34.16 | coffee1 | knocked up. |
| 00:34.21 | JordiGH | Uhm. |
| 00:34.24 | coffee1 | fff = css white |
| 00:34.26 | coffee1 | num |
| 00:34.27 | coffee1 | nub |
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| 00:36.52 | abrotman | coffee1: do you have a Debian question ? |
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| 00:38.01 | micols | how do i mount nfs shares using a virtual interface ip? |
| 00:38.17 | micols | man nfs says nothing about nfs ip / bind address option |
| 00:38.40 | coffee1 | not at all |
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| 00:39.22 | flawer | is there anything special I have to do to get 'make' work in an DVD installation of debian? |
| 00:39.51 | JordiGH | flawer: Have you installed build-essential? |
| 00:39.52 | ootput | hi guys, specifying the following in crontab fails (email sent stating that no closing quotes were found": 0 0 * * * echo "**** <`date "+%Y-%m-%d %a"`>" >> ~/notes.org |
| 00:39.56 | ootput | wht's wrong with thtat? |
| 00:40.35 | JordiGH | ootput: Erm, you can't nest double quotes. |
| 00:41.01 | JordiGH | ootput: Maybe if you used single quotes for the outer ones? |
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| 00:41.33 | flawer | JordiGH: hmm.. where do I get that? I dont have an internetconnection on debian yet, until I can build the drivers |
| 00:41.44 | ootput | JordiGH: the command itself works at the commandline |
| 00:41.55 | JordiGH | flawer: It should be in the dvd. aptitude install build-essential |
| 00:41.55 | ootput | JordiGH: but i'll try |
| 00:42.24 | JordiGH | ootput: Yeah, I realise that you might want single quotes for the date command. Or maybe put this into a script. You need interpolation for the date command. |
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| 00:43.10 | JordiGH | Yeah, that seems to work. Put single quotes for the date command. |
| 00:43.21 | ootput | JordiGH: what do you mean by interpolation? |
| 00:43.28 | JordiGH | echo "**** <`date '+%Y-%m-%d %a'`>" >> ~/notes.org |
| 00:44.06 | flawer | JordiGH: k thnx. |
| 00:44.09 | JordiGH | ootput: Double and single quotes differ that double quotes do interpolation and single quotes don't. E.g. compare echo '$PWD' and echo "$PWD" |
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| 00:46.19 | ootput | JordiGH: oh i see. different output. Why does single quotes on date work though? |
| 00:47.07 | ootput | and why did double quotes on date work beforehand at the command line? |
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| 00:47.20 | JordiGH | Hm, because date uses the string you pass to it as a format string. date doesn't need bash to do any work with that string. |
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| 00:47.59 | JordiGH | It's fun when you realise that all commands you type at a prompt are first processed by bash. e.g. "ls *", the * is processed by bash, not by ls. |
| 00:48.16 | JordiGH | This is why you can stuff like echo * |
| 00:48.40 | Dan6688 | JordiGH: I wonder whether it would behave more smartly if * were processed by ls. |
| 00:49.03 | Sling | depends on what you want it to do ;) |
| 00:49.05 | ootput | JordiGH: i just added a temp crontab entry for the previous minute. I was just emailed about the same fault" |
| 00:49.06 | JordiGH | Dan6688: There are good reason for bash doing that part of the job. It's all part of Unix philosophy. |
| 00:49.13 | Dan6688 | JordiGH: Let me correct myself. |
| 00:49.29 | Dan6688 | JordiGH: I wonder whether it would be easier to use for beginners if * were processed by ls. |
| 00:49.45 | Dan6688 | JordiGH: A friend of mine is just a beginner and he's done pretty awful stuff by not being precise enough. |
| 00:49.53 | JordiGH | Dan6688: Beginners are unlikely to run into the subtleties presented by * being processed by bash, not ls. |
| 00:50.01 | JordiGH | Dan6688: examples? |
| 00:50.21 | ootput | proverbial friend? ;( |
| 00:50.26 | JordiGH | ootput: So my fix didn't work when you put it into crontab? |
| 00:50.26 | ootput | ;) rather |
| 00:50.36 | ootput | JordiGH: no |
| 00:50.44 | Dan6688 | JordiGH: I can't recall any at the moment, I'll ask him later. And they don't run into the subtleties because they don't know there are any (yet). |
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| 00:51.04 | Dan6688 | JordiGH: "more smartly" was a bad choice of words, sorry about that. |
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| 00:52.05 | ootput | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:52.07 | JordiGH | Dan6688: I think you have to start using bash's features like in this case where you're trying to create a particular format for a crontab. |
| 00:52.35 | JordiGH | ootput: Let me try... Escaping things properly can be tricky. It might make sense to create a script here instead of a one-liner. |
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| 00:52.52 | ootput | JordiGH: alright |
| 00:52.53 | abrotman | ootput: maybe it would be easier if you put it in a script |
| 00:53.00 | Dan6688 | JordiGH: I was just saying that it sometimes is too subtle for people who have barely any idea at all about sh and bash |
| 00:53.27 | ootput | JordiGH: though i'd rather keep it in crontab though. I've 4 other similar entries based on time intervals, doubled for another file |
| 00:53.50 | JordiGH | Dan6688: The UNIX HATERS' manual has some good examples, but a lot of their examples don't work anymore on a GNU system (but do work on BSD). |
| 00:54.06 | JordiGH | ootput: No, I mean, make crontab call a script. |
| 00:54.23 | Dan6688 | JordiGH: That's true. |
| 00:54.26 | ootput | JordiGH: unless %Y and such is what's causing the problem |
| 00:54.48 | ootput | JordiGH: i know. but I'd have to create multiple scripts |
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| 00:55.09 | JordiGH | ootput: Ever heard of passing arguments to a script? |
| 00:55.20 | ootput | yes |
| 00:55.56 | JordiGH | ootput: You could do that. But remind me what the syntax is for making cron do something every minute. |
| 00:56.22 | ootput | * * * * * |
| 00:56.38 | JordiGH | Right. |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | la la la .. script |
| 00:56.46 | DawnLight | hey |
| 00:57.00 | JordiGH | ootput: And where does the error get logged to? |
| 00:57.10 | ootput | mailbox |
| 00:57.17 | DawnLight | i think i've forgotten something when migrating the sstem from non-lvm to lvm. what might that be? |
| 00:57.27 | ootput | though i'm sure somewhere in /var/log too |
| 00:57.51 | JordiGH | Ah, right. So I see. |
| 00:58.06 | DawnLight | the system is "waiting for root filesystem..." |
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| 00:58.17 | ootput | JordiGH: if you notice the email subject header, the command is cut off right before the first % |
| 00:58.50 | JordiGH | /bin/sh: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching ``' |
| 00:58.54 | DawnLight | help? |
| 00:59.22 | ootput | so the second backtick doesn't get used |
| 00:59.46 | ootput | i'll try escaping the % |
| 00:59.54 | beardy | Backticks are bad. |
| 01:00.11 | beardy | $(echo "do this instead) |
| 01:00.12 | JordiGH | beardy: Hm, $(...) instead? |
| 01:00.29 | beardy | and don't forget end quotes like I did there. |
| 01:00.34 | beardy | JordiGH: Yes. |
| 01:00.48 | JordiGH | beardy: What's the difference? |
| 01:01.10 | beardy | JordiGH: Backticks are hard to read, and deprecated. The other is not. |
| 01:01.15 | JordiGH | I guess bash can get easily confused when parsing backticks? |
| 01:01.17 | JordiGH | Deprecated? |
| 01:01.22 | JordiGH | Interesting. |
| 01:01.28 | beardy | man bash |
| 01:01.50 | abrotman | i doubt bash gets confused .... it's just hard to read |
| 01:01.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | woman knit |
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| 01:02.30 | JordiGH | $( ) seems easier to parse, since the beginning is different from the end. |
| 01:02.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | huh, how come unregistered users can spam me with private messages today? |
| 01:03.14 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: The people at #freenode are working on it... |
| 01:03.29 | planetxmail | I am writting an article and trying to determine if BILL GATES actually programmed ANYTHING or if these claims that he was a programmer in the earlier days of pre and beginning of Microsoft. Other than the obvious things he did like rip off apple and everything else... does anyone have any insite (like urls or other articles) that states bill gates was a programmer at all? |
| 01:03.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | so something just broke? ok, thx |
| 01:03.39 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: You're getting the bras too? |
| 01:03.44 | abrotman | planetxmail: uh .. wrong channel ? |
| 01:03.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 01:03.54 | planetxmail | ok |
| 01:03.58 | abrotman | planetxmail: maybe wikipedia ? |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | ##windows? |
| 01:04.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH: seriously considering it, man... then I only gotta wait for someone to offer me some hormones |
| 01:04.09 | abrotman | #classiccmp or whatever it is |
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| 01:07.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: I've seen cases where bash... well, readline, I guess gets "confused" - "~" and ":" are a bit problematic |
| 01:07.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially when using scp |
| 01:07.53 | abrotman | blames bill gates |
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| 01:08.01 | ootput | JordiGH: did you get it? |
| 01:08.14 | simonrvn | blames columbus |
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| 01:08.38 | planetxmail | blames the inventor of the transistor |
| 01:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn: guess you're an american indian, then :) |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | simonrvn: i've got a song for you .. but sadly .. it's not on the intarweb i don't think |
| 01:08.57 | simonrvn | yes |
| 01:09.15 | JordiGH | ootput: No. I'm leaning for a script. What does your crontab have to look like? |
| 01:09.18 | simonrvn | oh damn |
| 01:09.20 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: at least use the PC term .. jeez |
| 01:09.33 | planetxmail | Join us now and share the software, youll be free hacker, youll be free. |
| 01:10.18 | simonrvn | bah, it's ok. AI is mild.. i've heard worse |
| 01:10.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: jeez? funny... just talking with a guy called jeez on another channel... you pullin me leg or summthin/ |
| 01:10.37 | abrotman | okay |
| 01:10.58 | ootput | JordiGH: http://pastebin.ca/1085801 |
| 01:11.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/\//?/ |
| 01:12.21 | JordiGH | Btw, why .org? |
| 01:12.37 | DawnLight | does the following make sense for lvm? |
| 01:12.43 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: ? escape fail. |
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| 01:12.51 | abrotman | ootput: have you asked #bash at all ? |
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| 01:12.56 | DawnLight | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.03 | ootput | JordiGH: it's an extension instantly identified by an extension to emacs that handles appointments/agendas etc |
| 01:13.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH: ? |
| 01:13.35 | JordiGH | Really? Interesting. |
| 01:13.39 | ootput | abrotman: gave it no thought. it works at the command line |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | ootput: considered that run-parts is already doing some quoting ? |
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| 01:15.22 | deever | why do i have to pass the correct map with the physical device to ifup? |
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| 01:16.01 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: ? matches a character 0 or 1 times. But maybe doesn't have to escaped in the replacement string. |
| 01:16.26 | deever | i have configured a mapping in /etc/network/interfaces for ath0=ath0-myhome.local |
| 01:17.20 | deever | but i need to use 'ifup ath0=ath0-myhome.local' instead that i can just use 'ifup ath0' |
| 01:17.23 | deever | why? |
| 01:17.32 | JordiGH | ootput: Working.. |
| 01:17.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH: but it was in the replacement-part of it, not in the pattern part, so I'm good and safe |
| 01:17.38 | JordiGH | ootput: I mean, I'm working on it. |
| 01:17.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH: just tried it, works as expected |
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| 01:19.16 | deever | anyone with mappings in /etc/network/interfaces here? |
| 01:19.22 | cire | What manpage Editor do you prefer? I am totally new to this topic, and am just searching for an editor (kde) to edit manpages. |
| 01:19.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ootput: I think I've had problems using `command` in a script, while it worked on the commandline... finally decided to work around it :-/ |
| 01:20.10 | JordiGH | cire: Emacs! |
| 01:20.15 | JordiGH | !emacs |
| 01:20.15 | dpkg | emacs is the extensible macro editor that is already quite extensively extended. A popular editor choice with major and minor modes for almost every conceivable language and task. High priests of emacs have even been known to use emacs as their shell, and sometimes have whole systems with init=/usr/bin/emacs. [Escape Meta Alt Control Shift], or http://emacswiki.org/, #emacs @ irc.freenode.net |
| 01:20.54 | cire | thank you |
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| 01:21.26 | r-m | ive run `ssh -L localhost:8080:wwwproxy.host1.net r-m@host1.net`, and set my firefox to use localhost:8080 as it's proxy, however when trying to go to a website the ssh session spits up 'channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed'. i'm not sure why thats happening, host1.net has '#AllowTcpForwarding yes', thus that's set to the default value. and 'PermitTunnel yes'. any ideas? someone has communicated to me that their fc1 or fc2 install w |
| 01:21.37 | r-m | did that get cut off? |
| 01:21.38 | r-m | :( |
| 01:22.29 | asha | you may need to add a port for wwwproxy |
| 01:22.39 | r-m | 1 sec |
| 01:22.59 | JordiGH | cire: If you're using KDE, though, odds are you might not like Emacs. |
| 01:23.12 | r-m | my bad, i typed the irc version of the command wrong |
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| 01:23.31 | r-m | it is infact 'ssh -L localhost:8080:wwwproxy.host1.net:80 r-m@host1.net` |
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| 01:24.03 | Greyscale | how can I run 'tuncfg' as root before crontab is run @reboot |
| 01:25.00 | naz | i just did an aptitude install nfs-common however, contrary to what usually happens, no /etc/exports file was created... what could possibly have gone wrong? |
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| 01:27.38 | azio | hi all |
| 01:28.19 | \amethyst | naz: it comes from the server, not -common |
| 01:28.22 | azio | i just run apt-get --purge remove sasl2* and realised my mistake so said no to cancel, but everytime i want to install something apt keeps going to remove still :< how can i unpurge? :< please help |
| 01:28.55 | \amethyst | naz: nfs-kernel-server, nfs-user-server, or unfs3 |
| 01:28.59 | abrotman | apt-get install <packages> ? |
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| 01:29.19 | azio | i tried that abrotman, for some reason it still wants to remove |
| 01:29.26 | azio | it just sayas "already installed" |
| 01:29.41 | azio | because they are, because i didnt say 'yes im absolutely sure' to apt-get |
| 01:30.04 | azio | arghh bad day today :( heh, dont want to be fighting both sasl postfix and apt heheh |
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| 01:30.21 | \amethyst | azio: when you tried to re-install them it said "already installed" and then tried to delete them? |
| 01:30.21 | planetxmail | if you break apt it is hard to recover |
| 01:30.34 | planetxmail | try apt-get install -f |
| 01:30.40 | azio | yeah :( im scared badly |
| 01:30.47 | azio | no i havent deleted anything |
| 01:30.55 | azio | i ran apt-get --purge remove sasl2* |
| 01:30.59 | azio | and it tried to remove almost everything |
| 01:31.03 | skyjumper | what's a good way to get email alerts about hardware failure... sensord doesn't seem to do this |
| 01:31.06 | planetxmail | why? |
| 01:31.45 | azio | theres a problem with my sasl2 config |
| 01:31.45 | azio | i've been troubleshooting it on and off for a week |
| 01:31.46 | planetxmail | using the wildcard * in apt is a NO NO |
| 01:31.48 | ootput | i figured out my crontab errors. I had neglected to escape the %'s |
| 01:31.57 | azio | planetxmail well i twas within the alias |
| 01:32.00 | azio | so sasl2* |
| 01:32.05 | r-m | pasted the ssh -v output here, http://rafb.net/p/bb8dG967.html :( |
| 01:32.10 | abrotman | azio: you could manually change the status file |
| 01:32.21 | azio | I think I'm going to have to, where is it abrotman ? |
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| 01:32.48 | abrotman | azio: make a backup first .. /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 01:32.54 | azio | ok thanks :) |
| 01:32.58 | azio | i will make a backup ofc :D |
| 01:33.03 | azio | and try not to break everything :) |
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| 01:33.23 | r-m | oh damn thats annoying. getting closer to a solution |
| 01:33.33 | r-m | http://google.com works fien but not google.com/ heh |
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| 01:34.53 | \amethyst | r-m: the ssh server has port forwarding disabled it sounds like |
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| 01:36.18 | azio | thanks guys :) problems solved now yays |
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| 01:39.08 | Ace2016_- | I LOVE THIS SITE!! http://www.spreeder.com/ |
| 01:39.14 | k-man_ | anyone know if theres a way i can get putty to set TERM=xterm-color when i log in? |
| 01:39.17 | Ace2016_- | i just read the gpl v3 and it was awesome |
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| 01:39.50 | WormFood | k-man_, yes! after you login, type "set TERM=xterm-color" |
| 01:40.02 | k-man_ | WormFood: well, i was hoping for a more automatic way |
| 01:40.18 | WormFood | hehehe....I know, I just had to be a smart ass ;P |
| 01:40.24 | k-man_ | ok |
| 01:40.36 | WormFood | you can add it to your .bashrc file |
| 01:40.46 | WormFood | but I'm not sure if you want that set every time you login |
| 01:40.53 | k-man_ | well, it probably would |
| 01:40.59 | WormFood | then do that |
| 01:41.06 | WormFood | or .bash_profile |
| 01:41.13 | WormFood | I forget the details of which does what |
| 01:41.15 | k-man_ | if i could just get putty to set some kind of variable so i knew that login was from putty, then i could script it |
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| 01:41.40 | shellito | Hi.. I've been working with tomcat.. after upgrading I saw that /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5 has change.. Is using the jsvc wrapper.. the problem is that apps aren't working.. however, using /usr/share/tomcat5.5/bin/catalina.sh apps works.. can someone give me a clue about it? |
| 01:41.44 | \amethyst | k-man_: you can set up putty to make the TERM whatever you want, I think |
| 01:41.47 | WormFood | look in your ~/.bashrc file |
| 01:42.08 | \amethyst | k-man_: wait, I'm confused, never mind |
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| 01:44.00 | k-man_ | \amethyst: yeah - i thought so too but i just can't see that option now that I'm looking for it |
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| 01:48.15 | azio | brb |
| 01:49.57 | r-m | so, anyone have any ideas why ssh -L localhost:8080:wwwproxy.host1.net:80 r-m@host1.net results in channel 3: open failed: administratively prohibited: open failed errors when i setup ff to use localhost:8080 as a proxy, and try to go to a website? |
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| 01:51.33 | r-m | nc localhost 8080 results in the port immediately being closed, too |
| 01:52.41 | ryanc42 | I wanted to set up a user that had the CAP_DAC_READ_SEARCH capability, but I'm not having much luck figuring out how to do it. I thought maybe something involving sucap would work, but sucap seems to be broken under 2.6 |
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| 01:53.30 | jeffspeff | i'm trying to install mingw, and it's saying that it depends on libc6 >=2.6-1... i've done all the updates, but i can't get any newer than 2.3.6... what am i doing wrong? |
| 01:53.59 | abrotman | nothing .. 2.3.6 is the version in etch |
| 01:54.19 | jeffspeff | abrotman, then how can this depend on 2.6-1 ? |
| 01:55.01 | jeffspeff | abrotman, is there a 2.6-1 in testing that i can install to satisfyis dep? |
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| 01:55.33 | abrotman | 2.7.something |
| 01:56.27 | jeffspeff | abrotman, how do i get that? |
| 01:56.52 | abrotman | you upgrade your whole system to lenny |
| 01:57.01 | jeffspeff | ahh |
| 01:57.59 | jeffspeff | abrotman, well, since this system is only going to be used for compiling this one thing that depends on that libc6... how do i upgrade to lenny from my current install? |
| 01:58.43 | abrotman | !tell jeffspeff about etch->lenny |
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| 02:03.31 | ryanc42 | What's up with there not being an updated dnsmasq package in etch? The one in etch still uses a fixed port number. |
| 02:04.07 | abrotman | is there a bug on the package? |
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| 02:04.32 | jeffspeff | how do start/stop/restart services? in fedora, rhel, centos you use "service 'service-name' start/stop/restart... |
| 02:04.58 | quagga | jeffspeff: /etc/init.d/blah restart? |
| 02:05.00 | beardy | jeffspeff: /etc/init.d/service-name start|stop|restart |
| 02:05.05 | abrotman | invoke-rc.d is another way |
| 02:05.13 | jeffspeff | Oktane, thanks everybody |
| 02:05.21 | jeffspeff | *ok |
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| 02:10.45 | LemensTS | anyone get vmware tools to install into debian etch via vmware workstation menu? |
| 02:10.54 | Nyle | Hello! fine people of #debian |
| 02:10.56 | LemensTS | not being able to copy/paste is killin me |
| 02:11.01 | Nyle | whats going on inthe world today |
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| 02:11.44 | Nyle | LemensTS, hi |
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| 02:12.59 | LemensTS | heh, lots of problems. Radiator hose blew off on my car, had to fix that (actually still bleeding air), thought i was going to install vm esxi, but wouldnt work on 2 of my computers, blah. Now im having to type everything since i cant get vmware tools installed...going great! lol |
| 02:13.51 | LemensTS | (at least i can type 95+ wpm) |
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| 02:14.40 | abrotman | who cares if they aren't the right words :) |
| 02:15.55 | Nyle | hey |
| 02:16.07 | Nyle | why cant you copy/paste? |
| 02:16.36 | Nyle | doesn't it have like vmware tools or something that enables copy/paste from guest to host and vice verca |
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| 02:17.02 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:17.13 | Nyle | nm me man I'm fucking tired not even reading right... |
| 02:17.48 | abrotman | LemensTS: does it at least error ? |
| 02:20.46 | abrotman | LemensTS: or did you ask #vmware |
| 02:20.55 | newsense | how easy would it be to set logcheck to mail localhost and to an external mail server ? |
| 02:21.00 | LemensTS | abrotman: i let it sit for couple minutes and it didnt do anything. I imagine i can download it manually |
| 02:21.05 | newsense | or how hard is probobly more like it |
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| 02:24.19 | LemensTS | heh it would take long for me to get it to work then for me to type stuff |
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| 02:35.03 | seeker100 | how do i find my computers local ip while in windows manager |
| 02:35.50 | abrotman | in what? |
| 02:35.57 | abrotman | ifconfig -a |
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| 02:37.21 | seeker100 | ifconfig -a or ipconfig -a |
| 02:37.41 | abrotman | are you using windows or linux? |
| 02:37.48 | seeker100 | linux |
| 02:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, I guess none of the debian editline packages are the editline from here http://s11n.net/editline/ ? |
| 02:38.21 | magyar | hi, is there a way to make iceweasel open in "maximese" mode ? |
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| 02:38.29 | magyar | maximize |
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| 02:39.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | magyar: you could supply width/height with -h and -w ... dunno about real fullscreen |
| 02:40.07 | seeker100 | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:40.26 | seeker100 | will probably have more questions soon |
| 02:40.34 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 02:40.35 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 02:40.37 | magyar | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm, I think there is a setting in KDE to remember the window size |
| 02:41.15 | Jester45 | yep magyar kde can remeber all the settings for a certain window |
| 02:41.50 | magyar | just dawned on me :) |
| 02:41.59 | Jester45 | well 3.5.x not sure about 4 |
| 02:42.12 | seeker100 | like now do I have to be in root to move files to /var/www it would be simpler if i could just drag and drop from my folder on my desktop |
| 02:43.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, the windowish ipconfig works? |
| 02:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, not for me with my installed programs |
| 02:44.03 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: no |
| 02:44.18 | seeker100 | CutMeOwnThroat: no ifconfig -a |
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| 02:45.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, it was a question from you :) slipped in the line and thought abrotman had written that |
| 02:45.31 | seeker100 | abrotman: any way to drag files from my desktop to /var/www and do it as root while I am in windows manager. and also how do i move whole directories |
| 02:45.39 | Jester45 | seeker100, change the permissions on the directory |
| 02:45.43 | abrotman | NO |
| 02:45.46 | abrotman | Jester45: shut up |
| 02:45.53 | Jester45 | NO |
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| 02:45.56 | abrotman | seeker100: i wouldn't run anything as root that would let me do that |
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| 02:46.03 | abrotman | Jester45: if you don't know anything close the right answer .. be quiet |
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| 02:46.24 | Jester45 | how is that not close? |
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| 02:46.39 | jhanssen | Hi Guys, Does anybody know where could I find the nvidia module to debian ? or it's only from nvidia's site ? |
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| 02:46.58 | abrotman | jhanssen: which version of debian ? |
| 02:47.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing wrong with having /var/www user-owned either, actually... depending on the machine of course |
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| 02:47.09 | jhanssen | lenny, |
| 02:47.10 | Jester45 | abrotman, i have my server's /var/www mounted on my desktop via nfs. do you like that better? |
| 02:47.11 | abrotman | depending on the user |
| 02:47.32 | seeker100 | abrotman: I tried cp as root in a terminal but it does not copy full directory to var/www |
| 02:47.38 | abrotman | jhanssen: i think the current solutnions are either getting the stuff from sid or get the installer from nvdia.com |
| 02:47.39 | Jester45 | abrotman, what if he is just running it for localhost to test his pages on |
| 02:48.06 | jhanssen | under sid repository I can find that ? |
| 02:48.11 | seeker100 | abrotman: not to worry I am keeping var/ww only with root permissions. i guess i have started a fire storm |
| 02:48.12 | stupidgirl | hello I use ubuntu but I would like to switch to something else. |
| 02:48.22 | stupidgirl | which desktop environment does debian use by default? |
| 02:48.28 | Jester45 | gnome |
| 02:48.30 | abrotman | there isn't one |
| 02:48.36 | abrotman | you can install any desktop you want |
| 02:48.54 | flawer | Hi. When I try to _make_ a driver I downloaded, I get the "error?" moving to /lib/..kernel_ver.../build/.. _ nothing has to be done for modules_ moving out from modules |
| 02:48.57 | stupidgirl | hmm |
| 02:48.58 | Jester45 | abrotman, the net installer by defualt installs gnome |
| 02:49.01 | abrotman | no it does not |
| 02:49.41 | Jester45 | stupidgirl, but its easy to switch to KDE or any other ones |
| 02:49.55 | abrotman | it doesn't install gnome by default |
| 02:50.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | seeker100: hm, perhaps you should describe your setup a bit more in detail... there's a lot of possible issues with permissions etc. but cp -r copies recursively (read the manpage with "man cp"), there is scp, which can copy files in an ftp-like manner - and if you are using nfs, root might have problems writing files, because root is pretty often "translated" into 'nobody' on an nfs-shared drive out of security reasons |
| 02:50.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | gargh! |
| 02:50.16 | Jester45 | abrotman, etch's net install when you task select desktop enviroment it chooses gnome |
| 02:50.17 | stupidgirl | ok thanks Jester45 and abrotman, I use gnome at the moment but I do like kde |
| 02:50.18 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: took you so long .. he left! |
| 02:50.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
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| 02:50.34 | abrotman | Jester45: if you run tasksel (bad idea) and you choose "Desktop" .. hardly "by default" |
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| 02:50.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: 60 words per minute still ain't enuff :( |
| 02:50.50 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: need more practice! |
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| 02:51.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: but the main problem isn't the typing.. it's more that I sometimes have to think about what I want to write ;) |
| 02:51.37 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: think less .. type more! |
| 02:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | aasdfasdfasfasfas!!!!!!!!111111234 |
| 02:51.51 | Jester45 | abrotman, im still going to say thats the defualt. |
| 02:52.02 | abrotman | wrong |
| 02:53.15 | stupidgirl | I want to install debian but I really don't wnat to have to download all the discs, to get my wireless working in ubuntu I had to install ndiswrapper. Sooo I was thinking maybe I could connect this computer to my laptop running xp and use connection sharing through the wireless to do the netinstall thing, eou,d that work? |
| 02:53.30 | stupidgirl | i mean with sa crossover cable |
| 02:53.44 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 02:53.44 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
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| 02:54.04 | abrotman | CutMeOwnThroat: ha .. he's coming back after asking on OFTC |
| 02:54.20 | abrotman | i think |
| 02:57.17 | deever | anyone here who already has set up a wpa ap under debian? |
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| 02:58.39 | Jester45 | abrotman, so... if installing from the cd what DE do you get |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | none .. just the way i want it |
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| 03:00.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: haha :) |
| 03:00.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman: well, my history is ready |
| 03:00.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | prost! |
| 03:00.54 | abrotman | i guess he's not coming back .. he'll just change permissions .. nothing like learning bad habits |
| 03:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | nothing necessarily wrong with it |
| 03:01.20 | abrotman | bad habit |
| 03:01.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | there's chown, too |
| 03:01.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it needn't be a habit |
| 03:02.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
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| 03:02.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, now, THAT is starting to be a bad habit - people just dropping out of the channel while talking with me |
| 03:05.19 | crn | deever, check /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 03:06.24 | Jester45 | drops |
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| 03:07.53 | mcr | I have a VM (user-mode-linux actually), which I've just rescued from a sick system. lots of disk damage. |
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| 03:08.40 | mcr | installed it into a XEN VM on another machine, but the / and /usr are pretty messed up. Are there any options to dpkg/apt, which can identify packages with damaged/missing files, and re-install that package? |
| 03:09.54 | Jester45 | you could --reinstall everything but... that might take a while |
| 03:10.13 | Jester45 | or possibly break something |
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| 03:14.10 | jeffspeff | i'm tyring to upgrade to lenny, and i keep getting a perl error that says to check my locale settings... it says languange is unset and lc_all is unset.. how do i set those? |
| 03:14.34 | \amethyst | !locales |
| 03:14.35 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment (in Sarge) which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. |
| 03:15.30 | jeffspeff | \amethyst, will it royaly screw things up if i ctrl+c the upgrade and run that command and restart the upgrade? |
| 03:15.53 | jeffspeff | \amethyst, nevermind it quit on its own due to amount of errors. lol |
| 03:15.57 | flawer | I cant build a driver. All make tells me is that "there is nothing more to be done for modules". Any suggestions? |
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| 03:17.18 | crn | mrc, asfaik Jester45 is right. i don't think anything will break except changes to user configurations. |
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| 03:23.50 | Overand | (Sarge, but that probably doesn't matter) - I have a text file with about 10,000 filenames w/absoute paths |
| 03:24.04 | Overand | and I want to 'run it through' LS - so i can do an ls -la > file.txt |
| 03:24.24 | Overand | but I can't do cat input.file.txt | ls, nor can I use xargs |
| 03:24.39 | Overand | nor can I use ls -la `cat input.file.txt` - too many lines |
| 03:25.20 | extor | mcr what did you use it for? A VPS or for security purposes? |
| 03:27.37 | kmeyer | Overand: why not with xargs? |
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| 03:29.31 | Overand | kmeyer: it seems to fail out |
| 03:29.54 | kmeyer | hm |
| 03:30.05 | Overand | Let me grab an error. |
| 03:30.21 | Overand | 'argument line too long' |
| 03:30.53 | Overand | hmm |
| 03:31.03 | Overand | You know, it might be becaue there are spaces. |
| 03:32.13 | Overand | I think I' having delimiter issues? |
| 03:32.14 | jhanssen | Hi guys, does anybody know why the Debian kernel module is not in debian sources anymore ? |
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| 03:33.26 | asha | overand, use cat file | while read line; do something with $line;done |
| 03:33.39 | Overand | aah - thanks! |
| 03:33.55 | kmeyer | jhanssen: the Debian kernel module? huh? |
| 03:34.16 | Bac9 | is X11 totally broken right now for radeon cards? when I try to start it up it consumes 100% CPU and I can't even kill it with -9, no screen is displayed. I replaced the card with an nvidia based one and different problems arise. I had to switch it to fbdev to get anything to work |
| 03:34.34 | Tramp | Overand: if you follow asha's advice, use "$line". Additionally check: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFAQ/001 -- How can I read a file line-by-line? |
| 03:34.42 | jhanssen | kmeyer, sorry, Debian nvidia module |
| 03:35.04 | bier | Overand: cat yourfile |while read STUFF; do ls "$STUFF"; done |
| 03:36.10 | bier | oh.. too slow :D |
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| 03:37.52 | Lejeune | does debian offer support for broadcom chipsets? and is there a dual boot installer for it? something like the Wubi installer? |
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| 03:38.28 | flawer_ | how do I get a wifi card to work in debian? |
| 03:38.51 | Lejeune | well depends on what card you have. |
| 03:39.08 | Lejeune | for some drivers are pre-installed others it takes some work |
| 03:39.10 | flawer_ | zyxel g-302.. realtek 8185 chipset |
| 03:40.06 | flawer_ | my card doesnt seem supported.. could it be solved by genkernel maybe? |
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| 03:43.27 | Lejeune | does it detect the card as in it shows your card but just doesnt seems to connect? |
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| 03:44.43 | flawer_ | it doesnt detect the card |
| 03:44.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | is it simple to get usb headsets to work, does it cause problems? (the chipsets for the microphone on my laptop seem to be defect, so normal mikes don't work) |
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| 03:47.07 | Lejeune | i think for you flawer using genkernel could work but i dont know enough to really say but do be ware that genkernel will create quite a large kernel |
| 03:47.33 | kmeyer | sorry, I'm new to Debian. What's genkernel? |
| 03:48.14 | LemensTS | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genkernel |
| 03:48.21 | kmeyer | Thanks. |
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| 03:49.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | so what on earth does that have to do with Debian? |
| 03:49.28 | kmeyer | This is the first time I've heard mention of it :D |
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| 03:50.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | the only connection I can make is "Debian does not have it" |
| 03:50.40 | kmeyer | A few minutes ago someone in #debian mentioned it; that is all. |
| 03:51.02 | Lejeune | lol |
| 03:51.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems that someone is fundamentally flawed :) |
| 03:51.46 | Lejeune | yeah flawer asked if he could use it to build his debian kernel i assumed since he was here he was using debian |
| 03:52.14 | flawer_ | yep |
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| 03:52.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | 'tis really becoming a bad habit |
| 03:52.29 | Lejeune | it appears the reason he cant get his wireless card to work is becuase he has no idea what hes using |
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| 03:52.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 03:53.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | so you mean he's now in the "let's try some random stuff I read on some obscure website" stage of the plan? |
| 03:53.12 | b_z | Hey debian admins- links to download debian are down.- debian.org |
| 03:53.17 | Lejeune | yeah basically |
| 03:53.37 | Lejeune | which usually sprouts my genius work arounds |
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| 03:54.20 | Lejeune | or genius crashes |
| 03:55.06 | b_z | clears throat |
| 03:55.23 | b_z | OI! why are the download links down on homepage? |
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| 03:55.57 | Lejeune | what ones specifically |
| 03:56.40 | b_z | i386 dvd images |
| 03:56.57 | b_z | for 4.r04 |
| 03:57.09 | Lejeune | oh never mind all of them are down |
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| 03:59.11 | b_z | im trying to leave ubuntu's bloatware. when are they gonna be up. i saw last wk and thought i was just me |
| 04:00.40 | mohadib | b_z: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3282/2701897127_90d5feccde.jpg?v=0 |
| 04:01.34 | kmeyer | b_z: try jigdo |
| 04:02.08 | b_z | tried all of em- down |
| 04:03.11 | kmeyer | every single mirror? |
| 04:03.15 | kmeyer | or the jigdo files? |
| 04:05.05 | b_z | every link on debian.org |
| 04:06.30 | b_z | can i get iso from bots here? |
| 04:07.41 | kmeyer | b_z: this isn't some random xdcc bot channel on EFnet |
| 04:08.08 | b_z | i know |
| 04:08.23 | Lejeune | wakka wakka wakka |
| 04:12.05 | Lectus | I think the links are down because they're switch to 4.0r4 |
| 04:12.38 | Lectus | I'm waiting for 4.0r4 too because it's the first debian stable to support my hardware. Otherwise I would need lenny |
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| 04:13.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 04:14.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't tell me you tried all these...? |
| 04:14.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. the .fi one seemes to be ok: ftp://ftp.jyu.fi/pub/linux/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 04:14.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh... r4 |
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| 04:15.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | bah |
| 04:15.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | he's also gone |
| 04:16.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | everyone leaves before I can answer |
| 04:16.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | pffft |
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| 04:16.50 | Lejeune | eh |
| 04:18.17 | Lectus | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/ they're moving... they already created the folder there. they just need to upload the ISO's ;) |
| 04:18.46 | niru | why does debian does not detect hp scanjet G2410 |
| 04:20.07 | quagga | niru: have you checked to see if sane supports it? |
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| 04:20.37 | niru | quagga, in sane website there is no mention of this model of scanner |
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| 04:25.16 | S[h]O[r]T | im trying to reset my password and i keep getting Authentication token lock busy when i boot to /bin/bash |
| 04:26.14 | S[h]O[r]T | nvm, had to remount |
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| 04:27.26 | mosty | for some reason, exim4 isn't using my /etc/aliases file, what could i have done wrong? |
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| 04:29.10 | flawer | Hi. When I try to _make_ a driver, all I get is the errormessage "there is nothing to be done for <its a directory in /lib/kernel123/build/modules>modules" |
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| 04:34.08 | mosty | flawer, which driver? where did you get it? |
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| 04:36.34 | flawer | from here http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Download |
| 04:37.41 | quagga | flawer: you have a wind? |
| 04:37.47 | mosty | you will need to find their documentation on how to build their code |
| 04:37.58 | mosty | there is no generic answer |
| 04:38.46 | quagga | flawer: anyway, that site has a whole section on installing. including one marked "Debian/Ubuntu" heh |
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| 04:45.30 | Phoul | is it safe to disable exim4 from starting on boot aswell as cups in debian (Lenny)? |
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| 04:46.48 | quagga | Phoul: unless they are needed for some service i don't see why not |
| 04:47.20 | Phoul | well i know cups provides printer support, i dont own a printer, and exim4 is a replacement for sendmail and i dont use any mail agents that need that as far as i know |
| 04:47.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phoul: you normally need *some* type of MTA for internal mail transport |
| 04:47.37 | Phoul | internal mail transport? |
| 04:47.40 | Phoul | define?... |
| 04:47.55 | quagga | the annoying arse messages cron spits out when its in a pissy mood |
| 04:48.06 | quagga | you'll miss those without exim |
| 04:48.11 | Phoul | and those are useful how?.. (Also i dont have any cronjobs running) |
| 04:48.51 | quagga | i've found its just easier to have a mta. postfix uses very little resources and it makes several programs happy |
| 04:49.13 | Phoul | does exim use very much resources? i wasnt even thinking about that lol |
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| 04:49.52 | Pavlz | what do you think about prism54 ? |
| 04:50.57 | flawer | How can I make my system discover my wifi pci carD? |
| 04:51.04 | Phoul | quagga? |
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| 04:53.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phoul: yeah, stuff like cron or vi or a load of other programs mail root or users |
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| 04:54.18 | Phoul | Alright... so i should re-add exim4 to defaults i guess |
| 04:54.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | Phoul: and I don't really know what happens when they cannot :) |
| 04:54.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | but I'm also not sure if you can do without an MTA... |
| 04:55.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | package dependencies should prohibit removing all MTAs if it causes problems |
| 04:55.24 | Phoul | True, Which they do, However i was disabling services |
| 04:55.31 | Phoul | Not removing the program |
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| 04:55.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | !why an mta |
| 04:55.54 | dpkg | An MTA should be on most unix(ish) systems to provide a way for various services to deliver asynchronous system or error messages. |
| 04:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | !which mta |
| 04:56.04 | dpkg | To see which MTA you have installed: dpkg -S /usr/lib/sendmail , or ask about <mta comparison>. |
| 04:56.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 04:56.14 | kmeyer | !mta comparison |
| 04:56.14 | dpkg | from memory, mta comparison is http://shearer.org/MTA_Comparison |
| 04:56.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | ha ha... |
| 04:57.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, the table is fun |
| 04:57.51 | Phoul | According to the table |
| 04:57.55 | Phoul | exim is decently light |
| 04:58.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | seems its either postfix or exim |
| 04:58.35 | Phoul | alright i'll just stick with exim |
| 04:58.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can also try without... you'll see if you run into trouble :) |
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| 04:59.34 | Phoul | nah... i'll keep it |
| 04:59.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, sometimes it's good as it discovers cronjobs that fail |
| 05:00.13 | Phoul | I somehow doubt my system will be alot faster without an MTA, i was just removing services that i didnt think i needed, (Such as cups) |
| 05:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 05:00.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's this "instant messanging" thingy the article talks about :-P |
| 05:00.38 | Phoul | what? |
| 05:00.40 | Phoul | mtalk? |
| 05:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | just kiddin |
| 05:00.54 | Phoul | lol |
| 05:01.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, I thing stuff like gaim or *ghasp* microsoft messanger |
| 05:01.24 | Phoul | gaim no longer exists |
| 05:01.25 | Phoul | But alright |
| 05:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/thing/think/ |
| 05:01.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | well |
| 05:01.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | see? :) |
| 05:01.35 | Phoul | lol |
| 05:01.50 | sparn | if you need local mail what about sendmail local.mail |
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| 05:02.47 | Phoul | wtf... |
| 05:02.58 | Phoul | why on earth is there a service for kerneloops on by default |
| 05:03.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, thinking about getting an external wireless stick to pick up one of the free wireless of all the cafes and restaurants around me... |
| 05:03.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | anything I should bear in mind/prefer? |
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| 05:04.04 | _ZeuZ_ | how can I use fsck to rebuild the tree of some partition? fsck --rebuild-tree /dev/sdaX ? |
| 05:04.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | "man fsck"? |
| 05:05.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, I think you normally would want to use one of the tools the fs provides... |
| 05:05.16 | _ZeuZ_ | CutMeOwnThroat, do you really think I wouldn't have come here if I hadnt had problems? |
| 05:05.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | like reiserfsck |
| 05:05.30 | _ZeuZ_ | with --rebuild-tree it just starts and exits |
| 05:05.37 | Phoul | is nfs only used for mounting other unix-like operating system shares? |
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| 05:05.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | what FS is it? |
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| 05:05.55 | _ZeuZ_ | ReiserFS |
| 05:06.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | "reiserfsck --rebuild-tree"? |
| 05:06.05 | Phoul | Cuz ive never honestly seen a 'nfs' file system... |
| 05:06.07 | _ZeuZ_ | still nor fsck nor reiserfsck works |
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| 05:06.21 | _ZeuZ_ | they both start, ask for confirmation and suddenly drops me back to the console |
| 05:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's fast :) |
| 05:06.48 | _ZeuZ_ | CutMeOwnThroat, go kid away xD |
| 05:06.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 05:07.03 | _ZeuZ_ | gparted crashed around 10gb left of resize move |
| 05:07.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | but if it doesn't complain about anything |
| 05:07.07 | _ZeuZ_ | so IT WILL take time |
| 05:07.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should normally assume that it did its stuff successfull |
| 05:07.17 | _ZeuZ_ | CutMeOwnThroat, it does not run either |
| 05:07.26 | _ZeuZ_ | plus after reboot, filesystem is not working at all |
| 05:07.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's too far gone to be fixed |
| 05:07.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... still should give you some error |
| 05:08.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps it's just silently crashing because you hit some type of buffer overflow or so with your wrecked partition |
| 05:08.18 | _ZeuZ_ | Dunno, It still just go prompts me back to shell, and it seems like the failure occurred far from the beggining where the data was held |
| 05:08.34 | _ZeuZ_ | gonna see if I can rescue it with a BSD tool that I held in some paper |
| 05:08.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:08.39 | _ZeuZ_ | as soon as I found it, thjough |
| 05:08.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | just to test your behavior... |
| 05:09.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | make a new reiserfs filesystem, in a file if you like... |
| 05:09.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | perhaps have to connect it to a loop device |
| 05:09.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | then rebuild the journal of that newly made fs |
| 05:09.32 | _ZeuZ_ | you mean mount it as -o loop ? |
| 05:09.40 | _ZeuZ_ | neh, it wont work as I see the space as unassigned |
| 05:09.43 | _ZeuZ_ | so it won't be touched |
| 05:09.49 | _ZeuZ_ | but letme see |
| 05:09.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can connect it to loop without mounting (I don't know if reiserfsck would check on a file instead of a device) |
| 05:10.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | then at least you see if your reiserfsck performs normally on a sane journal |
| 05:11.15 | _ZeuZ_ | well, I'll use DD to copy what it allows me to copy to an image file, then mount it with loop and see what aI can do |
| 05:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... also, you could run strace on reiserfsck to see if it crashes or something.... that seems a bit risky, though |
| 05:11.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | _ZeuZ_: no, I meant just a new one with mkreiserfs - this way you see how it should behave (or if there is something wrong with reiserfsck as such) |
| 05:11.52 | lymeca | how can I enable line counting in vi? |
| 05:12.16 | kmeyer | use vim |
| 05:12.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | vim IS vi ;) |
| 05:12.53 | lymeca | kmeyer: No line counts in vim either |
| 05:12.56 | _ZeuZ_ | I've dealt with fsck/reiserfsck before, but a tree should be rebuilt as I stated before with both, tryied both, both fail |
| 05:12.58 | kmeyer | no, it's not :S |
| 05:13.02 | kmeyer | lymeca: so enable them |
| 05:13.05 | _ZeuZ_ | still, it seems like dd got defunct |
| 05:13.09 | lymeca | eerrrgggg |
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| 05:13.16 | lymeca | <lymeca> how can I enable line counting in vi? |
| 05:13.28 | lymeca | Okay just add an m on the end of my question and answer it please. |
| 05:13.29 | kmeyer | lymeca: set number or set ruler |
| 05:13.30 | kmeyer | one of the two |
| 05:13.43 | kmeyer | I forget which :D |
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| 05:14.15 | lymeca | set number |
| 05:14.15 | lymeca | phew |
| 05:14.17 | lymeca | finally |
| 05:14.24 | kmeyer | glad to help :D |
| 05:14.26 | lymeca | Can I have it do that by default? |
| 05:14.32 | kmeyer | yeah |
| 05:14.35 | kmeyer | add it to your .vimrc |
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| 05:15.05 | lymeca | kmeyer: ~/.vimrc ? |
| 05:15.17 | kmeyer | lymeca: yep |
| 05:15.18 | lymeca | Doesn't exist, create it and add 1 line: "set number" ? |
| 05:15.22 | kmeyer | yep. |
| 05:15.47 | lymeca | Phew |
| 05:15.48 | lymeca | thanks |
| 05:15.59 | kmeyer | np |
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| 05:26.03 | spx2 | what happens if I have a perl package installed both from cpan and from debian aptitude repository |
| 05:26.10 | spx2 | for example libpoe-perl |
| 05:26.19 | spx2 | installed |
| 05:26.27 | spx2 | and also installed from cpan |
| 05:26.45 | spx2 | when I will use it in a perl script which version will it use ? |
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| 05:32.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | spx2: either it gets overwritten, else the 1st one in the search path should be used |
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| 05:32.45 | sparn | which perl will tell which is first |
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| 05:33.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | try "perl -e 'use asdf;' " to see your searchpath |
| 05:33.32 | help_me_please | please help me http://www.meine-nackte-ex.net/?uid=50702 |
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| 05:37.05 | quentusrex23 | How do I play an mp3 to my sound card from the command line? |
| 05:37.28 | kmeyer | cat foo.mp3 > /dev/audio |
| 05:37.45 | kmeyer | or if you want it to sound how you probably want it to sound, madplay foo.mp3 |
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| 05:40.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | right... I'll click on ANY link on a server called "meine nackte ex" |
| 05:40.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | rrrright |
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| 05:41.14 | quentusrex23 | I'm trying to figure out why alsa isn't playing the audio over hdmi properly |
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| 05:41.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | you should use wavs for that :) |
| 05:41.47 | quentusrex23 | I'm playing flac files |
| 05:42.09 | quentusrex23 | I'm able to play the audio over the analog (green stereo port) on the back of the computer |
| 05:42.34 | quentusrex23 | I'm able to see the desktop and all on my hdtv screen. So I know video over hdmi works fine. |
| 05:42.45 | quentusrex23 | But I'm having a hard time getting the sound to play |
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| 05:44.20 | quentusrex23 | I'm getting a lot of 'write failed(broken pipe)' errors and 'Alsa debug: recovered from buffer underrun' errors from vlc |
| 05:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hdmi? |
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| 05:45.22 | quentusrex23 | yup |
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| 05:45.47 | quentusrex23 | intel chipset and integrated hdmi |
| 05:45.56 | quentusrex23 | the p5e-vm motherboard. |
| 05:46.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is "over hdmi" |
| 05:46.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | as opposed to "analog output"? |
| 05:46.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | everything that goes to speakers is analog, no? |
| 05:47.18 | quentusrex23 | I have two different speaker systems setup |
| 05:47.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | or are you talking about the CD out? |
| 05:47.35 | quentusrex23 | one is my old standard stereo system that connects through the stereo port. |
| 05:48.08 | quentusrex23 | the other is a Denon 2808 connected to a full 7.1 speaker system |
| 05:48.15 | quentusrex23 | the denon is connected to the computer through hdmi |
| 05:48.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, just looked it up |
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| 05:53.07 | extor | xen looks sexy |
| 05:53.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | I got the impression alsa is just not yet very much developed in that regard |
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| 06:11.44 | ClimDan | Cool Euro Jobs site => new-gen employment eu |
| 06:12.55 | streuner | don't spam us! |
| 06:13.18 | snogglethorpe | "new-gen employment"? |
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| 06:13.41 | snogglethorpe | does that throw out some of the tired old cliches of "old-gen" employment, e.g., pay? |
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| 06:14.51 | streuner | snogglethorpe: new employment in EU is, US hire and fire today :-) |
| 06:15.06 | streuner | snogglethorpe: read Rifkin about... |
| 06:15.08 | snogglethorpe | [always bugged me the way some fan websites etc will go around saying they're "hiring" editors or whatever, when they have no intention of paying any money] |
| 06:15.42 | snogglethorpe | [way down in the fine print: "This is a non-payed position"] |
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| 06:16.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha |
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| 06:17.07 | snogglethorpe | whoops, "paid" |
| 06:17.15 | snogglethorpe | er, "non-paid" |
| 06:17.29 | snogglethorpe | ["payed" actually passes the spell-checker, but isn't correct...] |
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| 06:19.57 | lkthomas | guys |
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| 06:20.12 | lkthomas | how could I allow specific ldap group of people to access debian server ? |
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| 06:22.44 | niru | any proper driver for hp scanjet G2410 |
| 06:22.47 | niru | in debian |
| 06:23.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | look at sane |
| 06:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !sane |
| 06:23.16 | dpkg | sane is probably Scanner Access Now Easy makes scanning... easy, or http://www.sane-project.org/ and #sane at irc.freenode.net |
| 06:23.39 | snogglethorpe | sane stuff usually seems dragged in by default these days... |
| 06:23.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... guessing that "scanjet" is a scanner :) |
| 06:23.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | snogglethorpe: yeah, but he asked :) |
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| 06:31.10 | owen1 | i try to install liferea (rss client) and get this: Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main libmozjs0d 1.8.0.15~pre080323b-0etch2 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80] |
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| 06:40.38 | ice63 | is the glx driver for nvidia in lennys sources yet ? |
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| 06:44.37 | wols_ | !nvidia_lenny |
| 06:44.37 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
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| 06:48.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | duh |
| 06:50.36 | snogglethorpe | isn't that the proprietary driver? |
| 06:50.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | are there any differences in the range of wireless usb adapters... or do they essentially all have the same range because of the maximum allowed power? |
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| 06:51.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | snogglethorpe: yes, but there is also the nv driver (which doesn't give hw acceleration ... or not to the same extent) |
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| 06:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | or the vesa driver which doesnt give yuo any |
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| 06:53.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah |
| 06:54.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | this here is in the list of supported chipsets, but it got horrible reviews |
| 06:54.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.amazon.com/F5D7050-Wireless-802-11g-Network-Adapter/dp/B0002HA7FY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1217312503&sr=1-1 |
| 06:54.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's damn cheap, too |
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| 06:57.53 | Fr33mind | I have an old debian for mail server only (qmail). I have kernel 2.4 and in /etc/apt/sources.list I have "sid". I want to dist-upgrade but it ask to upgrade to kernel 2.6. How to upgrade or how to keep kernel 2.4 ? |
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| 06:58.14 | owen1 | i try to install liferea (rss client) and get this: Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main libmozjs0d 1.8.0.15~pre080323b-0etch2 404 Not Found [IP: 128.31.0.36 80] |
| 06:58.29 | snogglethorpe | CutMeOwnThroat: get the feeling most of those people are using windows though, so who knows... |
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| 06:59.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | snogglethorpe: yes - but one sais he gets less signal than with the laptop internal one |
| 06:59.13 | snogglethorpe | actually I'd like to add a wireless interface to my pc so my wii can connect to the interface... |
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| 06:59.29 | snogglethorpe | i wonder if something like this would work |
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| 07:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1: did you do "apt-get update"? |
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| 07:00.40 | snogglethorpe | CutMeOwnThroat: anyway, it seem a good idea to find a site other than amazon; most reviews on amazon are decidely ... non-technical... |
| 07:00.44 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: i am doing it now. i also do upgrade. |
| 07:00.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | snogglethorpe: haha.. the biggest joke is.. I just found this page http://opensource.bureau-cornavin.com/belkin/index.html |
| 07:01.04 | toxygen | hello |
| 07:01.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | according to it, the same stick can have 4 different chipsets |
| 07:01.09 | toxygen | why is main mirror not working? |
| 07:01.13 | toxygen | e.g. nothing is there? |
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| 07:01.21 | snogglethorpe | CutMeOwnThroat: that's annoying habit of some vendors... |
| 07:01.24 | toxygen | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 07:01.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | 4 chipsets... that's a joke, right? |
| 07:01.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | toxygen: *shrug* use one of the mirrors, though, they still work |
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| 07:01.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
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| 07:02.08 | owen1 | i get this during 'upgrade' Unpacking replacement linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 and a message about rebooting. what's going on? |
| 07:02.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1: you're updating the kernel |
| 07:02.49 | owen1 | CutMeOwnThroat: oops. is it risky? i just did aptitude upgrade.. |
| 07:02.58 | toxygen | CutMeOwnThroat: like 50% is of the same content as main (rsync?), but some out-dated works :) |
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| 07:03.23 | dam85 | hello everybody |
| 07:03.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | toxygen: oi... that might get worse over time then, eh? |
| 07:03.47 | dam85 | i have dbian etch, i get those errors: http://phpfi.com/336795 whant can i do? :/ |
| 07:03.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | toxygen: I just checked one in .fi and that was still fully functional |
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| 07:04.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | owen1: slightly risky :) |
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| 07:05.38 | dam85 | please, can someone help me? |
| 07:05.38 | axscod1 | hi guys.. what happend to the ISO? file not found? |
| 07:05.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | snogglethorpe: argh, that is annoying - I thought I could just grab any of those thingies, plug it in and go - and now I see there's a good chance it doesn't work properly but only with ndiswrapper... |
| 07:06.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | axscod1: dunno, but use a mirror: http://phpfi.com/336795 |
| 07:06.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | argh |
| 07:06.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | axscod1: sorry, http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#mirrors |
| 07:07.11 | toxygen | dam85: try dpkg-reconfigure openssh-server |
| 07:07.17 | dam85 | thanks, i try |
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| 07:07.38 | dam85 | http://phpfi.com/336797 :/ |
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| 07:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | dam85: funny... "Inconsistency detected by ld.so: ../sysdeps/x86_64/dl-machine.h: 538: elf_machine_rela_relative: Assertion `((reloc->r_info) & 0xffffffff) == 8' failed! |
| 07:08.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | " |
| 07:08.29 | toxygen | CutMeOwnThroat: not so much :) |
| 07:08.37 | toxygen | dam85: apt-get remove openssh-server |
| 07:08.45 | axscod1 | ftp://ftp.tw.debian.org/debian-cd/ <-- what happend? |
| 07:08.45 | toxygen | dam85: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 07:08.51 | dam85 | ok i try |
| 07:08.59 | axscod1 | not listing any |
| 07:09.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | toxygen: you're aware all that has a low chance of working? :) |
| 07:09.18 | axscod1 | is there somekind of hocus pocus going? |
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| 07:09.50 | toxygen | CutMeOwnThroat: well, one try after another. you cannot go for ultimate solution from beginning :) |
| 07:09.54 | dam85 | toxygen: http://phpfi.com/336798 |
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| 07:10.24 | dam85 | :( |
| 07:10.36 | axscod1 | ftp://ftp.jaist.ac.jp/pub/Linux/Debian-CD/4.0_r4/ <-- i cannot find any files.. is there any listed? or its just my browser? |
| 07:10.53 | toxygen | dam85: have you been doing upgrade of kernel recently? |
| 07:11.01 | toxygen | axscod1: something went wrong |
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| 07:11.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | dam85: run dpkg -i -D3 /var/cache/apt/archives/<your-openssh-server> |
| 07:11.09 | toxygen | axscod1: most of mirrors are blank |
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| 07:11.19 | axscod1 | but? |
| 07:11.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | axscod1: no, it's broken, no, we don't know why, yes, you can use some of the other mirrors |
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| 07:11.43 | dam85 | wow! now work i done apt-get --PURGE REMOVE openssh-server |
| 07:11.50 | dam85 | and now works perfectly |
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| 07:12.06 | axscod1 | it seems all mirrors are the same |
| 07:12.15 | dantanna | axscod1: There is a fresh one comming very soon. All the mirrors are that way right now. |
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| 07:13.28 | axscod1 | ohhhhh |
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| 07:14.10 | axscod1 | soon is today? |
| 07:14.27 | dantanna | axscod1: you could look for a 4.0_r3 and ten update... |
| 07:14.38 | dantanna | *then =)\ |
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| 07:15.37 | axscod1 | apt-get update is fine with that? |
| 07:15.59 | dantanna | axscod1: your guess is as good as mine but probably today ... yeah apt-get |
| 07:17.10 | axscod1 | ftp://debian.csie.nctu.edu.tw/ISO/debian/project/build/4.0_r3/i386 <-- help me with this link please |
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| 07:17.26 | dam85 | thanks everybody....have a good day |
| 07:17.28 | dam85 | bye bye |
| 07:17.32 | Mallxs | He.. rahul .. i followed your advice and went to #gnome .. thay could help me their.... so thx |
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| 07:17.45 | dantanna | axscod1: it may only be a few more hours though... |
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| 07:18.10 | axscod1 | ok ill wait for it |
| 07:18.26 | dantanna | axscod1: oh... forgot I saw that too, a few hours ago.. |
| 07:18.43 | axscod1 | :)) |
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| 07:18.45 | dantanna | axscod1: best bet is to wait... |
| 07:19.05 | axscod1 | weirdest thing ive stumbled upon to... |
| 07:19.09 | axscod1 | :) really... |
| 07:20.01 | dantanna | axscod1: You'll save downloading everything twice.... |
| 07:20.24 | dantanna | very strange though |
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| 07:22.02 | axscod1 | haha.. what a coincidence... |
| 07:22.11 | axscod1 | what a timing you know that |
| 07:22.12 | dantanna | axscod1: http://ftp.hk.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 07:22.25 | axscod1 | netins? |
| 07:22.34 | axscod1 | im looking for CD 1 |
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| 07:23.24 | dantanna | axscod1: "Net Install" = very small basic install. Then you add what you want. |
| 07:23.48 | axscod1 | yupz... |
| 07:23.51 | axscod1 | thanks.. |
| 07:23.53 | axscod1 | downloading |
| 07:24.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | *sigh* |
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| 07:26.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | how I hate that when you get to a forum where they discuss something you wanted to look up, but they're all totally clueless |
| 07:27.09 | nareshov | d; |
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| 07:28.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | coincidentlially it's the ubuntu forum |
| 07:28.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
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| 07:28.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P.... |
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| 07:29.29 | snogglethorpe | CutMeOwnThroat: even worse is usually a gamers forum... |
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| 07:30.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 07:30.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | snogglethorpe: dunno |
| 07:31.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | but 'tis a bit like |
| 07:31.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey, I got a problem, but I am clueless |
| 07:31.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey, cool, I got the same problem, but I'm also clueless |
| 07:31.28 | snogglethorpe | CutMeOwnThroat: ah |
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| 07:31.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | hey guys, I don't have the problem, but I'm just as clueless |
| 07:31.45 | snogglethorpe | well at least they admit it... |
| 07:31.52 | snogglethorpe | instead of just making things up |
| 07:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm translating... |
| 07:32.22 | rikva | How come I can't find the package "xen-linux-system-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64" in the repositories, but it is on the list of etch packages on packages.debian.org? |
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| 07:32.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I'll try that one: http://www.amazon.com/SMC-SMCWUSB-G-Connect-Wireless-Cardbus/dp/B000FIC9K6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1217313075&sr=1-1 |
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| 07:32.56 | snogglethorpe | CutMeOwnThroat: ah |
| 07:32.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | I remember some SMC ethernet (ISA!) cards that lived happily for 10 or twenty years |
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| 07:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | I might have even tried to hot-plug one and it survived or something |
| 07:33.31 | snogglethorpe | hmm but they've got coffee beans next to their user name! |
| 07:33.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and they offer a linux driver on their webpage |
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| 07:34.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | snogglethorpe: hehe, that's so you manage to stay awake till the end of the thread :) |
| 07:35.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | aha, no they don't |
| 07:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | they just let you select it, but give you a vista driver anyways |
| 07:36.27 | snogglethorpe | CutMeOwnThroat: hmm but nobody actually ever uses linux drivers distributed by hardware manufacturers, do they? |
| 07:37.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | snogglethorpe: you've never had an nvidia graphics card, didya? |
| 07:37.18 | snogglethorpe | nope |
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| 07:37.49 | snogglethorpe | looking less and less these days like I ever will too... |
| 07:37.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | so let me tell you that probably 80% (just a guess) of all nvidia users use the proprietary driver... |
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| 07:38.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | anyways, they do... or I do |
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| 07:39.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | if it works substantially better than another one |
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| 07:39.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | or if it's the way to get it to work |
| 07:39.20 | snogglethorpe | that was actually one of my bullet poitns when I bought my latest system: no nvidia |
| 07:39.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | ...which is slightly tough - ati and nvidia seem to own the market |
| 07:41.14 | snogglethorpe | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah but since amd bought ati, they've definitely grabbed most of the foss mindshare |
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| 07:41.58 | snogglethorpe | sort of intel on the low end, with more concrete support for foss, and ati on the high end with more sketchy support as of now, but a lot of goodwill |
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| 07:43.22 | snogglethorpe | i'd probably be a bit suspicious of ati if amd hadn't bought them, but amd seems to have had a lot of influence |
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| 07:43.43 | sysadmin-lb22 | Hi Can I delete /usr/local/mysql/var/mysql-bi.xxxx files ? |
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| 07:43.59 | quentusrex23 | Help. I can't figure out why PCM audio isn't working over hdmi |
| 07:44.16 | quentusrex23 | I can't figure out why alsa isn't working properly for hdmi audio |
| 07:44.16 | bignickpunisher | whats up |
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| 07:44.33 | snogglethorpe | bignickpunisher: that's a pretty big nick all right |
| 07:44.47 | bignickpunisher | ya i know |
| 07:45.04 | quentusrex23 | I'm using alsa 1.0.16 and I'm trying to figure out the hdmi audio |
| 07:45.09 | bignickpunisher | im new to this |
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| 07:45.18 | quentusrex23 | I'm able to output sound to analog stereo |
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| 07:45.37 | quentusrex23 | 2008-07-28 23:53:48.480 Opening audio device 'hw:0,3'. ch 2(2) sr 44100 |
| 07:45.37 | quentusrex23 | 2008-07-28 23:53:48.480 Opening ALSA audio device 'hw:0,3'. |
| 07:45.37 | quentusrex23 | 2008-07-28 23:53:48.497 Mixer unable to find control PCM |
| 07:45.48 | quentusrex23 | That's the output I'm getting in the mythtv frontend logs |
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| 07:47.37 | rikva | Why can't I install Xen AMD64 packages on etch though they are clearly on packages.debian.org? |
| 07:48.26 | r-m | show me how they are clearly on packages.debian.org |
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| 07:48.46 | r-m | is too lazy to find the link you already have |
| 07:48.49 | rikva | r-m: http://packages.debian.org/etch/xen-hypervisor-3.0.3-1-amd64 |
| 07:48.53 | rikva | for example |
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| 07:49.54 | r-m | hhmmm, my aptitude shows them, using amd64, http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au/debian/ |
| 07:50.31 | rikva | r-m: do you have something extra in your sources.list? |
| 07:50.57 | r-m | only what i msged |
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| 07:52.01 | zxxxd | hi |
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| 07:52.17 | rikva | r-m: hmm, that's similar to what I have, only a different (closer) mirror, but that shouldn't be a problem |
| 07:52.20 | zxxxd | how do i search for a package using aptitude or apt-cache from a specific repository |
| 07:52.23 | zxxxd | like etch-backports |
| 07:52.28 | zxxxd | i have it in sources.list |
| 07:52.44 | rikva | r-m: I'll add your mirrors to test |
| 07:52.46 | r-m | zxxxd: -t etch-backports iirc, backports.org has instructions |
| 07:52.59 | quentusrex23 | Can someone please help me debug my alsa problem? |
| 07:53.01 | r-m | zxxxd: could be -t etch-backport, though, |
| 07:53.01 | quentusrex23 | http://pastebin.ca/1086090 |
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| 07:54.39 | zxxxd | r-m: that's for installing |
| 07:54.44 | zxxxd | apt-cache dosen;t work with -t switch |
| 07:54.45 | rikva | r-m: no difference. should I run an AMD64 kernel before I can 'see' those packages? |
| 07:54.47 | zxxxd | er |
| 07:54.56 | zxxxd | wait , -t search dosen't work |
| 07:55.25 | r-m | rikva: uh, you must be using an amd64 kernel to be running the amd64 port surely |
| 07:56.09 | bignickpunisher | can someone help me with myspace |
| 07:56.09 | r-m | uname -m says what? |
| 07:56.11 | bignickpunisher | ? |
| 07:56.13 | rikva | r-m: of course, but I'm running a 32 bit kernel now, is it inpossible to install amd64 xen packages while running a 32 bit kernel? |
| 07:56.25 | rikva | r-m: that would seem ... weird |
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| 07:57.04 | r-m | rikva: the package you linked to is for the amd64 arch |
| 07:57.07 | rikva | r-m: i'll boot an amd64 kernel just for sure |
| 07:57.18 | rikva | r-m: I understand :) |
| 07:57.30 | r-m | rikva: it would appear you are running i386, mmm. |
| 07:57.41 | rikva | r-m: yes, hang on, I'm rebooting the machine |
| 07:58.03 | r-m | that won't let you grab packages from the amd64 port, because you have a 32bit install already |
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| 08:00.33 | rikva | r-m: ah.. I didn't know tha |
| 08:01.02 | fas3r | i use hardware raid 5. One disk crashed yesterday. How to verify if the raid is rebuild ? (i have nothing in cat /proc/mdstat http://pastebin.com/m46751458 ) |
| 08:01.28 | rikva | r-m: so I should reinstall? |
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| 08:02.31 | fas3r | if someone have idea ... |
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| 08:04.00 | rikva | r-m: I mean, I am running on an AMD64 kernel now, but if I understand correctly, the rest of the system is still 32 bit. |
| 08:04.10 | axscode | hehe.. hows hows? still not alive? |
| 08:04.16 | r-m | rikva: if you want a 64bit OS, indeed, reinstall |
| 08:04.36 | r-m | i think it's worth it |
| 08:04.47 | r-m | Four Intel Unknown 2992MHz processors, 23945.80 total bogomips, 18432M RAM |
| 08:04.53 | r-m | well, for this desktop :) |
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| 08:05.13 | rikva | r-m: yeah well, it's for a server with 64gb RAM ;-) |
| 08:06.06 | r-m | go 64bit then. fuck PAE |
| 08:06.50 | snogglethorpe | how do people buy that much ram anyway? |
| 08:06.53 | rikva | r-m: Haha. I'm downloading the amd64 netinst right now, thanks for your help man |
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| 08:06.56 | snogglethorpe | lots and lots of sticks? |
| 08:07.00 | snogglethorpe | or really big sticks? |
| 08:07.04 | magentar | if you have 64bit binaries of your server's service software then it's really worth it |
| 08:07.06 | rikva | snogglethorpe: both |
| 08:07.18 | snogglethorpe | big sticks seem pretty expensive... |
| 08:07.48 | rikva | snogglethorpe: those servers run Xen, so it's still cheaper than running all those virtual machines on real machines |
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| 08:09.00 | r3dant | hi |
| 08:09.05 | lymeca | I really cannot wait for lenny, and I'm also very excited about 2.6.27 because of it's native Xen guest (domU) support for x86_64. |
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| 08:09.17 | lymeca | Is there a chance 2.6.27 will make it into lenny? |
| 08:09.31 | r3dant | haw can i upgrade Linux vincenzo 2.6.14.3-sjg_20051202 #1 Fri Dec 2 20:24:15 PST 2005 i686 to 4.0 , please |
| 08:09.39 | lymeca | I would love such an easy way to throw lenny onto a Xen in a VM. |
| 08:10.07 | EvilDin | hi, is it possible to create secured deiban repository, so that deb files would be encrypted, so that only the ones that have keys would be able to use packages ? |
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| 08:10.58 | r3dant | :| |
| 08:11.38 | r-m | rikva: suppose i should add a disclaimer...i haven't used xen in 64bit! *was thinking about lymeca's comment* |
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| 08:12.11 | r-m | EvilDin: it's freesoftware, anything is. personally i'd go a different route though |
| 08:12.38 | EvilDin | i thought that it maybe can be used as private repository |
| 08:12.40 | r-m | EvilDin: such as serve up the repo over NFS and use ecryptfs, |
| 08:12.41 | rikva | r-m: me neither, but I'ts the only thing I can do since PAE sucks and shows only 14gb of the 64gb RAM. |
| 08:12.45 | r3dant | someone tell me haw can i upgrade the version 2.6.14 |
| 08:12.51 | r-m | rikva: damn. that sucks. |
| 08:13.02 | rikva | r-m: yeah, it's pretty weird |
| 08:13.13 | r-m | rikva: what do the vms do? |
| 08:13.29 | Shadur | r3dant: Either install a more recent linux-image package, or apt-get install kernel-package and roll your own. |
| 08:13.52 | Shadur | ... Although given the question you just asked, I recommend you not try the latter route until you've learned a lot more. |
| 08:14.03 | lymeca | Hey, I've got two servers with Xen 64-bit and all Debian! |
| 08:14.04 | rikva | r-m: I didn't test Xen, Dom0 also has only 14gb ram, so it's just a kernel problem |
| 08:14.16 | lymeca | 16GB RAm and 8GB RAM |
| 08:14.38 | r3dant | Shadur thx |
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| 08:15.05 | r-m | this 3ghz isn't going as hard as i feel it should. *ponders* |
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| 08:16.50 | lymeca | r-m: It works great, it's just nice to know that any distro with 2.6.27 or up can automatically use Linux pv_ops to be a domU, 32-bit or 64-bit |
| 08:16.55 | rikva | lymeca: are your guests para or virtual? |
| 08:17.02 | lymeca | para |
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| 08:17.15 | rikva | lymeca: 32 or 64 bit guests? |
| 08:17.27 | lymeca | rikva: By virtual you do mean hardware virtualisation? |
| 08:17.41 | lymeca | dom0 and every domU is x86_64 through and through. |
| 08:17.42 | rikva | lymeca: uuh yeah, "full virtualization" :) |
| 08:17.50 | lymeca | haha |
| 08:17.53 | rikva | lymeca: cool |
| 08:18.11 | r-m | so what's faster, para or hardware virtualisation? |
| 08:18.22 | rikva | r-m: para should be faster |
| 08:18.47 | lymeca | Yup The 16GB RAM one has lenny amd64 for dom0 and domUs, whereas the 8GB one has etch amd64 for dom0 and domUs. All of them use Etch's precompiled 2.6.18 Xen kernel though, which is a shame. |
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| 08:19.28 | lymeca | I'd rather have 2.6.26 now that it is stable. |
| 08:20.11 | testi | I want to install nvidia-drivers from the nvidia installer, but I can't find a link to the drivers page on nvidia.com. Where can I download the latest drivers from nvidia? |
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| 08:20.46 | r-m | why are you asking us |
| 08:20.49 | r-m | !nvidia |
| 08:20.49 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia. |
| 08:21.14 | themill | dpkg: tell testi about why nvidia installer sucks |
| 08:21.40 | lymeca | dpkg: tell lymeca about why nvidia installer sucks |
| 08:21.46 | testi | Don't worry - i can deal with the nvidia-installer if it breaks |
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| 08:22.03 | themill | testi: it's not the nvidia installer that breaks, it's your xorg |
| 08:22.07 | r-m | but you can't even find it...;) |
| 08:22.17 | r-m | later all |
| 08:22.24 | r-m | nice talking to yas. |
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| 08:22.28 | testi | themill: or xorg, it doesn't matter i can correct that easily |
| 08:22.46 | themill | then why are you in #debian. |
| 08:22.47 | lymeca | Hmm, well, I have all ATI cards now but I used nvidia installer for many months and this was never true: If you try to uninstall nvidia (nvidia-installer --uninstall), then you break Xorg badly. |
| 08:22.48 | testi | I just need to know where to download the drivers, but it looks like nvidia.com is broken |
| 08:23.08 | themill | testi: then tell them |
| 08:23.17 | lymeca | I just told X.Org to use nv or another nvidia driver I installed and it never broke. |
| 08:23.33 | testi | themill: i already did, but i thought people know more or are more helpful here :) |
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| 08:23.57 | themill | testi: but we don't use the nvidia.com installer, do we? |
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| 08:24.48 | testi | themill: I do - I use debian for 3 years - never had issues i couldn't solve in ~1 min :) |
| 08:26.24 | testi | but the nvidia driver is actually something exceptional - it's the only thing i use an external installer for |
| 08:26.30 | Internat | so out of interest, how hard is it to setup my own apt respository with some custom packages? |
| 08:26.42 | themill | testi: then you're in a vast minority... almost all of the nvidia-related problems that we see here are due to their crappy installer. |
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| 08:27.02 | themill | dpkg: tell Internat about own repo |
| 08:27.22 | themill | Internat: quite easy... reprepro is a good tool for it. Ask dpkg about it. |
| 08:27.31 | Internat | oooh perdy. |
| 08:27.55 | testi | themill: Yeah, that's probably true - I wouldn't recommend using the nvidia-installer for any other person except me |
| 08:28.06 | Internat | and then te final question, how do i make sure my own apt repsoitory gets higher preference then debians defaults |
| 08:28.26 | themill | Internat: are you backporting packages from sid to put in it? |
| 08:29.08 | Internat | no |
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| 08:29.24 | Internat | my own recompiled versions of apache with a few changes :) |
| 08:29.27 | axscode | is rc4 in mirrors already |
| 08:29.31 | Internat | and proftpd etc. |
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| 08:30.14 | Internat | but i build my package, make sure i do dch -i to incrememnt the number so its one higher then debians defaults, which keeps it going for a while, but then when the main repository gets one with the same version number, it goes to chose debians over mine. |
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| 08:30.39 | boris- | hello |
| 08:30.42 | themill | Internat: yeah, don't just increment, mark it as being a new version |
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| 08:31.35 | boris- | ive got a problem with sound. it worked yesterday. my sound card is CA0106 (driver) instead, debian seems to use some USB device. alsamixer doesn't help |
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| 08:32.12 | themill | Internat: The easiest thing is to add an extra changelog entry to debian/changelog +nf-1 added to the version. So apache2 2.2.3-4etch5 becomes 2.2.3-4etch5+nf-1 for your first recompilation, then 2.2.3-4etch5+nf-2 for your second one etc. |
| 08:32.39 | up365 | testi, http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us |
| 08:32.39 | boris- | also, where can i get a guide for installing fglrx ? i can't access the one on wiki.cchtml.com |
| 08:32.54 | themill | Internat: That way, you version will be automatically preferred while you stay with etch... once you move to lenny, it will be upgraded, but you'll want to recompile new versions at that time anyway. |
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| 08:33.12 | Internat | hmms |
| 08:33.46 | themill | Internat: (you can pick anything other than "nf" too, the + is the important part) |
| 08:34.03 | Internat | hmms.. |
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| 08:34.25 | themill | Internat: err... actually, use +nf1 +nf2 for it... don't include an extra - in the version. |
| 08:34.33 | Tapout | configure: error: bzip2-headers and/or libs where not found, install them or build with --without-bzip2 <-- anyone know what i'm missing? |
| 08:34.44 | axscode | hi, anyone know any small, tiny mobo like soekris and mini-itx board? which has 4 port switch and 1 port. like a linksys wrt board ? |
| 08:35.00 | themill | Tapout: apt-cache search bzip2 dev |
| 08:35.18 | Internat | hmms... |
| 08:35.33 | themill | Internat: you seem very unconvinced by this.... |
| 08:35.47 | Internat | no i understand, im contemplating :) |
| 08:35.53 | Tapout | themill, slick |
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| 08:38.15 | themill | Internat: fundamentally, you need to give it a different version number otherwise no amount of apt pinning will help you. And if you use a version number that debian will later use, then you're going to have problems too. Actually, for that apache2 example, if debian released -4etch6 then that would be preferred to your -4etch5+nf1 package anyway... but debian will only release such a package for security updates so once again, you need to do |
| 08:38.15 | themill | something manually anyway about that/ |
| 08:38.58 | themill | Internat: but at least the +nf versioning allows you to keep out of the way of debian revisions. You can also list all your locally installed packages with dpkg -l | grep -e +nf too :) |
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| 08:39.59 | Internat | yeah. i understand. i can run with that :) thanks! |
| 08:40.46 | themill | Internat: You may wish to also place your locally compiled packages on hold to prevent them from being automatically upgraded... |
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| 08:48.39 | JonkoPA | I'm running debian SID 2.6.25-2-486. Selinux enabled and the selinux-policy-defauilt installed. I'm currently booted in this policy but have a view errors: http://pastebin.ca/1086120 |
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| 08:50.23 | itai-michaelson | can apt-get tell me the version of a package in the repos? |
| 08:51.13 | JonkoPA | itai-michaelson, apt-cache show can |
| 08:51.18 | JonkoPA | (after apt-get update) |
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| 08:53.44 | unop | apt-get policy packagename |
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| 08:58.35 | Deceptcon | how do i tell whats wrong with my xorg after a update and restart |
| 08:58.58 | Deceptcon | im on a headless machine, i use vnc. and starting/restarting gdm doesnt load up the vnc server as it should |
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| 08:59.39 | fas3r | what's this error : " Disk /dev/md3 doesn't contain a valid partition table " ? |
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| 09:02.56 | fas3r | http://pastebin.com/m350f6f38 the pastein with the fdisk -l ... |
| 09:03.37 | Deceptcon | wht is the command to reconfigure the x server? |
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| 09:05.09 | timnik | Deceptcon, http://www.google.ie/search?q=dpkg-reconfigure+x |
| 09:07.22 | Deceptcon | okay lets not do that, its giving me this whole schpiel about god knows what |
| 09:07.49 | Deceptcon | ive had this problem before and i didnt do such a long winded dpkg-reconfigre xorgserver thing before |
| 09:07.51 | timnik | Deceptcon, sorry, that was inappropriate. |
| 09:07.53 | Deceptcon | there was something simpler |
| 09:08.37 | timnik | Deceptcon, as far as I know you can do it non-interactively |
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| 09:08.40 | timnik | 1 sec |
| 09:08.47 | dondelelcaro | !drxx Deceptcon |
| 09:08.48 | dpkg | Deceptcon: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 09:08.52 | gileswork | anyone used unbound much? |
| 09:09.19 | dondelelcaro | Deceptcon: that said, if you're using >> etch, you shouldn't need to do anything at all. |
| 09:09.21 | Deceptcon | dondelelcaro: ive had this problem before, and i remmeber not doing this humonguous dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg server |
| 09:09.26 | Deceptcon | approach |
| 09:09.38 | Deceptcon | i did something very simple, and restarted gdm, and it worked. but i cannot remember what |
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| 09:09.55 | dondelelcaro | Deceptcon: that's how you reconfigure it; if there's a specific problem, then check what the Xorg log says. |
| 09:09.57 | timnik | Deceptcon, "dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg" is what I recall doing. |
| 09:10.15 | timnik | Deceptcon, but note: I'm quite new to this world :-) |
| 09:10.39 | Deceptcon | i dont have a /var/log/Xorg.log specifically, i have a Xorg.0.log and Xorg.20.log and Xorg.21.log |
| 09:10.58 | dondelelcaro | Deceptcon: it'd usually be Xorg.0.log |
| 09:11.10 | Deceptcon | alright |
| 09:11.28 | Deceptcon | (EE) NVIDIA(1): Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module! |
| 09:11.35 | dondelelcaro | Deceptcon: and so there you go |
| 09:12.01 | dondelelcaro | Deceptcon: you need to rebuild the nvidia kernel modules for your upgraded kernel. |
| 09:12.10 | Deceptcon | oh right |
| 09:12.13 | Deceptcon | i remember doing that |
| 09:12.22 | Deceptcon | somehow... |
| 09:12.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell Deceptcon -about nvidia |
| 09:12.47 | dondelelcaro | Deceptcon: the instructions are in what dpkg told you |
| 09:12.52 | Deceptcon | thanks |
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| 09:13.30 | Deceptcon | this sounds famililar |
| 09:13.52 | Deceptcon | i have to do this every kernel upgrade and reboot, for some reason, so i better bookmark it |
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| 09:15.31 | Deceptcon | apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 09:15.35 | Deceptcon | er |
| 09:15.36 | Deceptcon | sorry |
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| 09:22.54 | Deceptcon | well dondelelcaro i did that and still having some trouble, so im just reinstalling my nvidia drivers, i remmeber doing this also |
| 09:25.00 | rvsjoen | hmm.. any idea how to get alt+1,2,...,N working in xterm ? it just print silly characters |
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| 09:29.01 | gileswork | heya peeps |
| 09:29.11 | gileswork | I'm trying to build a unstable package on etch |
| 09:29.22 | gileswork | the error I'm getting is make: dh: Command not found |
| 09:29.30 | gileswork | dh-make is installed |
| 09:29.41 | gileswork | been googling it.. |
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| 09:30.27 | k-man | anyone know of a tool i can use to tag m4a files from the command line? |
| 09:30.35 | nezza-_- | hey guys.. do i get it right that there are no cdimages online on the offical server? (cdimage.debian.org) |
| 09:31.10 | timnik | nezza-_-, there are some in the archive, 1 sec, I'll get you a link |
| 09:31.36 | nezza-_- | timnik: okay, thank you |
| 09:32.31 | timnik | nezza-_-, http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 09:32.45 | nezza-_- | timnik: thankyou |
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| 09:34.03 | unop | k-man, lltag |
| 09:34.04 | themill | gileswork: the package has a build-dependency on debhelper version 7 which you do not have installed. And unfortunately, I've not come up with a way of installing it under etch. |
| 09:34.15 | needhelp | how to install j2sdk on my debian etch? apt-get install j2sdk1.4 can't work |
| 09:34.20 | needhelp | does anyone know? |
| 09:34.48 | themill | needhelp: Is sun java 6 OK? or Java5? or do you particularly want 1.4? |
| 09:35.07 | gileswork | ah k themill |
| 09:35.12 | gileswork | thanks for you help |
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| 09:35.40 | needhelp | I was about to install Apache OFBiz.. it says you need 1.5 series JDK (not just the JRE, the full J2SDK) |
| 09:36.41 | ptman | needhelp: enable the non-free repository and aptitude install sun-java5-sdk |
| 09:36.43 | themill | gileswork: no worries. At this stage lenny/sid and etch have diverged sufficiently that it is hard to backport some things because all the build-deps also need backporting, and some of them can't be backported without changing the entire build system. For your package, you could try grabbing the debian directory out of an older package and see if still works. |
| 09:36.48 | lkthomas | god sick |
| 09:36.55 | lkthomas | it is very hard to connect samba with ldap |
| 09:37.01 | ptman | needhelp: sorry, it's sun-java5-jdk |
| 09:37.05 | themill | ptman: err that should be -jdk |
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| 09:37.17 | themill | dpkg: tell needhelp about install java |
| 09:37.18 | gileswork | the thing I'm trying to compile is actually called unbound |
| 09:37.24 | gileswork | it's a caching dns server |
| 09:37.34 | gileswork | we've had problems running maradns on sarge |
| 09:37.36 | themill | needhelp: but instead of installing the -plugin package, install -jdk |
| 09:37.55 | gileswork | I might try a rpm and then use alien |
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| 09:38.51 | jabka | how can i get the supported NIC in a debian kernel (as in list) |
| 09:38.53 | needhelp | seems like only sun-java5-jre or sun-j2re1.4 is available in my apt-get..hm |
| 09:39.06 | wols_ | !install java |
| 09:39.07 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
| 09:39.14 | needhelp | nvmind i am downloading the .bin file from sun site..hope it can be ran |
| 09:39.24 | wols_ | needhelp: don't |
| 09:39.26 | themill | needhelp: don't. use the debian packages isntead |
| 09:39.27 | Deceptcon | im not sure what to do ... my xorg.0.log says http://pastebin.com/d19256eb2 and my xorg.conf is http://pastebin.com/d7f913386 |
| 09:39.34 | ptman | gileswork: hopefully you aren't running sarge, it's not supported by the security team anymore |
| 09:39.37 | needhelp | ooooo okok |
| 09:40.08 | themill | needhelp: did you enable "non-free" in your sources.list and then run apt-get update? |
| 09:40.25 | needhelp | the only non-free repository i have = "deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian etch main contrib non-free restricted" |
| 09:40.32 | needhelp | and also deb-src http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian etch main contrib non-free restricted |
| 09:40.47 | needhelp | is it correct? |
| 09:41.23 | testi | I wish to share files with others, but I don't want to copy everything into the share directory, but drop symlinks into it instead. I managed to do so ob ubuntu hardy with samba, but it doesn't seem to work with the identical configuration file in debian as symlinks are either not displayed or displayed as symlinks to the remote users. What can I try? |
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| 09:42.13 | timnik | testi, you could bind mount the files in a shared directory |
| 09:42.16 | Deceptcon | myheadless machine is not starting X after i updated kernel and rebooted. i did the apt oneliner dpkg told me about (debian) but X does not want to start ... my xorg.0.log says http://pastebin.com/d19256eb2 and my xorg.conf is http://pastebin.com/d7f913386 |
| 09:42.16 | gileswork | we still have a couple of sarge boxes |
| 09:42.24 | gileswork | it's the nature of the beast |
| 09:42.47 | CoolCold_ | are there any debian maintainers here? |
| 09:42.57 | needhelp | !non-free |
| 09:42.58 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 09:43.18 | CoolCold_ | i need consultation about closed but which is not actually fixed |
| 09:43.41 | meff | whats a good cpu frequency pkg for debian that'll change the speed based on load? |
| 09:44.27 | testi | timnik: The big (killer)-advantage of symlinks is that i can simply drag a file/directory in KDE and drop it into the share as a symlink |
| 09:45.09 | ptman | meff: I don't know of a package, but apt-cache search suggests cpudyn and cpufreqd |
| 09:45.23 | testi | timnik: If I was to use bind mount i could also just create a new share for each directory to share |
| 09:45.29 | needhelp | ok its working now!!! i added deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free |
| 09:45.34 | meff | ptman: saw those, not sure which one i should use.. |
| 09:45.38 | needhelp | thxd |
| 09:45.53 | ptman | meff: but I wanted to inform you about the fact, that several kernel developers who work on powersaving features think that cpu frequency throttling should not be used |
| 09:46.03 | timnik | testi, true, that's a good point. |
| 09:46.27 | meff | ptman: hm so speedstep is a bad idea? why's that |
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| 09:46.30 | needhelp | im installing sun-java5-jdk |
| 09:46.44 | themill | needhelp: excellent. BTW you should use "etch" rather than "stable" in your sources.list |
| 09:46.45 | Id3rfix | hello |
| 09:46.56 | timnik | testi, I'm rather new to gnu/linux so I don't really know beyond that. It was a quick guess. :) |
| 09:47.01 | Id3rfix | only one query |
| 09:47.24 | needhelp | themill: ok thanks..may i ask, what's the difference? i think i had it there by default |
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| 09:47.42 | Id3rfix | to open a file tar.bz2 |
| 09:48.05 | WormFood | open or extract? |
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| 09:48.31 | snogglethorpe | ptman: why? |
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| 09:48.43 | Id3rfix | can i use gunzip and if yes, how ? any option to assign |
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| 09:48.55 | themill | needhelp: If you have "stable" there, when the next version of debian is released in a month or two (or three...) you will be automatically upgraded to that. But that won't necessarily work as expected so you don't want that to be automatic. If you track "etch" instead, then when "lenny" is released, you'll stick with etch and you can manually upgrade at your own convenience later. |
| 09:49.03 | ptman | meff: I think the general idea was, that instead of finishing the task slowly at a lower processor usage, it's better to finish it quickly and let the kernel put the processor in a sleep state |
| 09:49.12 | ptman | that it would save more power |
| 09:49.20 | ptman | I'll dig around to see if I can find a link |
| 09:49.44 | snogglethorpe | ptman: hmm on my current computer, the cpus all sit at 1100 mhz when idle or near-idle, and if they start actualyl doing a lot, they get ramped up to 2200 mhz |
| 09:49.46 | WormFood | Id3rfix, tar xvjf file.tar.bz2 |
| 09:49.49 | meff | thanks, i'd appreciate the read ptman |
| 09:50.00 | snogglethorpe | ptman: i dunno if that's the same thign you're talking about, but it seems to work very well... |
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| 09:50.33 | needhelp | ic so stable is like a more general repository than a specific version? :D |
| 09:50.57 | moope2 | hello, I have been happliy using rsync to backup my files to a remote server. now everything has gone tits up I cant work out the command to get it all back. |
| 09:51.07 | moope2 | rsync -avze ssh foo/ 11155@ch-s011.domain.net:foo/ -- aint doing it |
| 09:51.12 | themill | needhelp: sort of. "stable" is a repo that points to the current stable release which changes from time to time. "etch" has always pointed to the etch release |
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| 09:52.14 | ptman | meff: http://mjg59.livejournal.com/88951.html -- this isn't the link I was thinking about, but it touches the same issues |
| 09:52.26 | buntfalke | Does the freeze of lenny mean that kde4 wont be in at the party? |
| 09:52.35 | themill | dpkg: tell buntfalke about kde4 |
| 09:53.23 | themill | buntfalke: the kde packaging team has said they will try to make backports of KDE4.x (x>0) for lenny as they go. |
| 09:53.27 | buntfalke | thanks |
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| 09:55.33 | meff | thanks for the info ptman |
| 09:55.39 | Deceptcon | when i do sudo modprobe nvidia i see 'FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko): No such device' |
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| 09:57.52 | Deceptcon | ive done the oneliner dpkg told me, reinstalled nvidia drivers with source/./NVIDIA-Linux-x86-169.12-pkg1.run -k $(uname -r) but Xorg.0.log complains with http://pastebin.com/m23c52ae4 |
| 09:57.54 | fero1 | Hi all, there is a problem with arch broken links on http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/#stable |
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| 10:00.33 | timnik | fero1, yeah, I noticed that too. It's been like that since at least yesterday. If you need images, you can get some from here too: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/archive/ |
| 10:01.01 | Deceptcon | startx gives me http://pastebin.com/m1b233703 |
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| 10:02.05 | needhelp | guys, i usually run a task and switch to the other on the terminal by using screen.. but heard that you can run a task on the background using & something.what is it? |
| 10:02.45 | dondelelcaro | needhelp: foo & or ( foo & ) will do that, yes. |
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| 10:04.13 | needhelp | so to kill it i must kill processid? |
| 10:05.09 | dondelelcaro | yes |
| 10:05.27 | dondelelcaro | (in the second case, in the first, you can fg or use other job controls) |
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| 10:06.40 | fero1 | timnik: thx, I don't need images I'm debootstrapping :) I'd only like to see when etch was released...but ... doesn't matter ... I install lenny which has zope2.10 |
| 10:06.46 | fero1 | that I need |
| 10:07.38 | needhelp | hmm i ran ./startofbiz.sh & but the log messages keep coming out flooding my terminal screen..damn |
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| 10:08.40 | timnik | fero1, sure thing :) |
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| 10:16.56 | buntfalke | might there be kde4.(x>0) backports to lenny before it is released? or is backports.org for released stable debian versions only? |
| 10:17.09 | spacix | lets say I have a log file, and I would like to cat the first 20 lines of it, how can I do that? |
| 10:17.30 | spacix | err the first 13, but not the first |
| 10:17.55 | wols_ | with head and tail |
| 10:18.11 | Deceptcon | grr |
| 10:18.22 | Deceptcon | dont understand what i am missing |
| 10:18.28 | DawnLight | hello |
| 10:18.38 | wols_ | a pipe displaying the first 14 lines with head and display from that result 13 last lines |
| 10:18.55 | wols_ | buntfalke: kde4 will not be in lenny |
| 10:19.34 | DawnLight | buntfalke: what do you need kde4 for? |
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| 10:20.25 | spacix | wols_: about how would that look like? |
| 10:20.27 | Alocado | hellow |
| 10:20.48 | Alocado | it's possible to authenticate unix user against a postgresql database instead of using the /etc/shadow-file? |
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| 10:21.59 | Deceptcon | how do i unload and reload kernel moduels |
| 10:22.06 | zyx386 | hi |
| 10:22.09 | buntfalke | wols_: which is not an answer to the question. |
| 10:22.19 | zyx386 | which on use keyboard layout variant? |
| 10:22.24 | Alocado | Deceptcon, modprobe&rmmod |
| 10:22.24 | buntfalke | Okay. Let's try this again. |
| 10:23.05 | zyx386 | i need the keyboard configuration in xorg.conf |
| 10:23.13 | buntfalke | Does backports.org provide backports for released stable versions only, or is it, in theory, possible that it has backports for freezed but yet-to-be-released versions already? |
| 10:23.26 | Corwin | Deceptcon: man modprobe |
| 10:23.51 | buntfalke | DawnLight: To tell everyone that my version is more recent than theirs of course. |
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| 10:25.12 | Internat | does aptitude support a way of installing the packages and doing all config setup later? |
| 10:25.29 | DawnLight | buntfalke: it is a newer branch, to be more specific |
| 10:25.39 | Internat | ie, i have all my config files already built, i just want to install the pacakges. and then i'll load my config in and start things. |
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| 10:26.13 | DawnLight | does the kernel need some special parameters when it's root fs is in lvm? |
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| 10:26.29 | petemc | DawnLight: it needs an initrd |
| 10:26.51 | DawnLight | petemc: ahm... |
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| 10:27.16 | DawnLight | petemc: i've migrated my regular installation to lvm |
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| 10:31.52 | DawnLight | petemc: it has an initrd. the old onw |
| 10:32.27 | spacix | Is installing DirectAdmin hard? |
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| 10:33.16 | balasyum | hi |
| 10:33.44 | balasyum | is there a way to shorten the maintainer-becoming procedure? |
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| 10:49.35 | JonkoPA | I'm running debian SID 2.6.25-2-486. Selinux enabled and the selinux-policy-defauilt installed. I'm currently booted in this policy but have a view errors: http://pastebin.com/m487b8421 |
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| 10:52.51 | loevborg | On a "apt-get upgrade" on an etch server, I got an updated kernel package and "The kernel version running is the same as the one being installed". Should the version number not be updated? |
| 10:54.02 | ronr | hi, I use pam_ldap for authentication and just added a pam_groupdn to pam_ldap.conf, when I try to login as a user with OR without that group, in both cases the machine tells me a must be a memberUid of that group and grants me access (even when I'm not a member, and I also get the message for users that are a member), wtf is going on there? |
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| 10:59.40 | notsonerdysunny | what is a good tool in debian to setup a chroot environment? |
| 11:00.07 | wols_ | loevborg: stable is stable. the main kernel version won't change |
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| 11:01.15 | Halitherses | Would anyone have some space on a web server I could use to put a word file please? |
| 11:01.27 | plundra | notsonerdysunny: debootstrap? :) |
| 11:01.34 | loevborg | wols_: so all updates have the same package name? |
| 11:01.51 | wols_ | loevborg: usually yes but it's not the same version exactly. look more carefully |
| 11:02.08 | wols_ | Halitherses: this is a debian support question how? |
| 11:02.19 | loevborg | wols_: that is, when I update, the old kernel gets overwritten; so if the new one doesnt start, I can't go back? |
| 11:02.38 | notsonerdysunny | plundra: thanks! :) |
| 11:02.42 | wols_ | dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 11:02.42 | dpkg | No packages found matching |grep linux-image |
| 11:03.10 | Halitherses | I use debian/openoffice to create the word file. nevermind |
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| 11:04.06 | loevborg | wols_, linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 is the only one I have |
| 11:04.27 | loevborg | wols_, /me would have thought that the -6 gets bumped on each new upload |
| 11:04.42 | wols_ | it does |
| 11:04.57 | loevborg | wols_; ok so I misread something; never mind then |
| 11:06.21 | Halitherses | ok wols- I have a legitimate debian question. |
| 11:07.15 | toxygen | and that is? |
| 11:07.30 | Halitherses | I have to usb devices 1 is a fat32 memstick and the other is a usb ext3 formated drive |
| 11:07.39 | themill | loevborg: the -6- is incremented each time there is an ABI change (not just on a new upload for the kernel). The ABI change means you have to recompile all external modules, no-ABI change means you do not have to. |
| 11:07.58 | wols_ | themill: thakks for clarifying. didn't know that |
| 11:08.07 | Halitherses | how should i configure my fstab file |
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| 11:08.12 | ronr | ok, so my common-auth in pam.d contains exactly one line: auth required pam_deny.so... still I'm able to login, how is that possible? |
| 11:08.18 | wols_ | !tell Halitherses about uuid |
| 11:08.53 | loevborg | themill: so kernel _can_ get updated in stable without a -6 bump? |
| 11:09.10 | themill | wols_: no worries. it's a slightly different way of versioning things compared to normal package versions (actually, it's identical, but "which bit is the debian revision" is a different game as the package name actually has a version in it) |
| 11:09.19 | themill | loevborg: yes. Can and does. |
| 11:09.33 | loevborg | themill: thanks, so I'll better reboot |
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| 11:14.19 | ronr | I'm a bit further, somehow, even after userdel <username> pam_unix still thinks the user exists :S how to really really get rid of a user? |
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| 11:20.45 | ronr | maybe I'm asking the question wrong: I have removed a user account, try to login with that user account, this is still poassible, auth.log shows pam_unix allows access, I would expect a removed user would not be granted access with pam_unix. How is this possible? |
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| 11:23.55 | \amethyst | ronr: does stopping nscd help? |
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| 11:25.19 | HejGustav | Hello |
| 11:25.23 | ronr | \amethyst: nope, no difference |
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| 11:25.36 | \amethyst | ronr: does getent passwd username show an entry? |
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| 11:26.08 | ronr | \amethyst: yeah, but that's the ldap entry and I disabled pam_ldap in both common-auth and common-account |
| 11:26.25 | HejGustav | where is the iso's? |
| 11:27.09 | ronr | adding debug to pam_unix doesn't show any debug messages in auth.log or syslog |
| 11:27.13 | \amethyst | ronr: logging in with login, sshd, or what? |
| 11:27.25 | ronr | ssh |
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| 11:27.50 | HejGustav | meep beep |
| 11:27.56 | \amethyst | ronr: anything interesting in pam.d/sshd ? |
| 11:28.10 | \amethyst | ronr: any 'sufficient' rules, for example? |
| 11:29.05 | \amethyst | ronr: hm, also maybe verify that ssh is actually using PAM |
| 11:29.22 | ronr | \amethyst: nope, looks normal, but there has to be an issue with that file somewhere as I just tried login and login doesn't allow the user access |
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| 11:30.03 | ronr | \amethyst: auth.log shows the ssh session is using pam_unix, doesn't that mean ssh uses pam? |
| 11:30.21 | \amethyst | hm, yeah, I guess it does |
| 11:30.42 | notsonerdysunny | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.56 | ronr | and sshd_config has usePAM yes |
| 11:31.12 | notsonerdysunny | what would be the value for --arch in the above command if I wanted it to be a 64 bit chrooted system? |
| 11:32.10 | abrotman | amd64 ? |
| 11:32.33 | abrotman | notsonerdysunny: why aren't you asking #ubuntu ? |
| 11:32.48 | themill | notsonerdysunny: it's unlikely to work though unless you're running an amd64 arch already ... your userspace has to be compatible with your kernel |
| 11:33.05 | ronr | it look like for some reason ssh gets the userinfo (like uid) from the ldap server and then treats it, within pam_unix, as local user info |
| 11:33.46 | notsonerdysunny | oh .. |
| 11:34.22 | notsonerdysunny | i do not have a amd 64 machine |
| 11:34.47 | notsonerdysunny | themill: I have a intel x86_64 machine |
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| 11:35.08 | rikva | notsonerdysunny: that's the same |
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| 11:35.15 | abrotman | and why isn't he asking #ubuntu ? |
| 11:35.17 | Halitherses | I'm about to test using uuid, thanks wols. brb |
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| 11:35.59 | DawnLight | helllo |
| 11:36.16 | notsonerdysunny | rikva: can I say amd64 for the architecture then? |
| 11:36.52 | abrotman | i think we just covered that |
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| 11:37.44 | icesword | abrotman, hi, how is everything |
| 11:37.56 | abrotman | is not omniscient |
| 11:38.35 | DawnLight | i've migrated a regular install to lvm2 and it won't boot. i'm probably missing something. it says "waiting for root filesystem..." the fstab is http://pastebin.com/m481a9886 and the grub entry is http://pastebin.com/m56e07c9a. i also can't install grub using a live cd and chroot and grub-install /dev/sda; it tells me "/boot/grub/stage1 is not read good" or something. |
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| 11:39.01 | DawnLight | hi abrotman |
| 11:39.04 | abrotman | hi |
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| 11:39.50 | jelly | DawnLight: do you have a lvm-less /boot? |
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| 11:40.29 | DawnLight | jelly: yes, sda1. ext3. i've copied the contents of /boot there and i mount it on /boot |
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| 11:41.04 | ma3x | why is ipw3945 sometimes fast, sometimes 5x slower than usual? where's the problem? |
| 11:41.22 | DawnLight | jelly: grub boots the kernel from there, it seems |
| 11:41.24 | abrotman | someimtes you have a good signal, some days 5x less a good signal |
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| 11:41.56 | jelly | and sometimes wireless linux drivers have weird power saving features |
| 11:42.16 | DawnLight | ma3x: did you try their mailing lists? did you try the etchnhalf kernel? |
| 11:42.20 | ma3x | abrotman: but the wireless router and the laptop don't move off their spot |
| 11:42.35 | abrotman | fog |
| 11:42.35 | ma3x | DawnLight: etchhalf kernel? |
| 11:42.43 | ma3x | fog? |
| 11:42.51 | jelly | ma3x: did you try messing with iwconfig and power settings? |
| 11:42.56 | DawnLight | ma3x: yes |
| 11:42.59 | DawnLight | !etchnhalf |
| 11:43.00 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 11:43.00 | abrotman | haze .. smog .. airborne particulate matter :) |
| 11:43.03 | ma3x | jelly: nope, all settings are set same |
| 11:43.11 | jelly | ma3x: same as where? |
| 11:43.32 | ma3x | abrotman: you're not making any sense |
| 11:43.46 | ma3x | jelly: same as always set on the router and in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 11:43.51 | ma3x | and same as in physical location |
| 11:43.54 | jelly | gives abrotman some hot water and dry ice |
| 11:43.59 | DawnLight | ma3x: don't be so logical |
| 11:44.11 | ma3x | im not, im just not getting what he said |
| 11:44.25 | DawnLight | anyone has a clue for me to boot my desktop? |
| 11:44.37 | jelly | ma3x: I mean, have you tried fixing it yourself, by testing various power settings w/ iwconfig? |
| 11:44.53 | themill | DawnLight: the etchnhalf kernel requires you to change over to the iwlwifi driver -- this is both good and bad... the iwlwifi driver seems a little less mature than ipw3945 but the performance seems about the same |
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| 11:44.58 | ma3x | DawnLight: anyway i run lenny |
| 11:45.06 | jelly | ma3x: have you tried googling for, say, low speed ipw3945? |
| 11:45.14 | themill | ma3x: what's uname -r |
| 11:45.26 | ma3x | jelly: what is there to test in iwconfig? what for example? |
| 11:45.39 | ma3x | Linux ma3x.mine.nu 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 17:46:56 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:45.44 | MaliutaLap | people have problems with 3945's? |
| 11:45.54 | themill | ma3x: so you're using iwl3945 not the ipw3945 driver anyway... |
| 11:46.18 | ma3x | themill: yes typo probbaly |
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| 11:46.23 | ma3x | iwl3945 |
| 11:46.33 | themill | ma3x: um... no... they are two entirely different drivers |
| 11:46.44 | abrotman | they're even spelled differently! |
| 11:46.46 | ma3x | themill: ok so my problem is with iwl |
| 11:47.00 | ma3x | abrotman: ok, brain typo call it whatever you want |
| 11:47.00 | newsense | im trying to setup exim to handle local mail on this box and to send mail to remote hosts through my isp's smtp server, what option should i choose ? |
| 11:47.26 | abrotman | probably smarthost |
| 11:47.33 | newsense | thought i had it setup right but im not getting any emails i sent to my gmail addresss |
| 11:47.42 | abrotman | not sure that will do local for some and remote for others |
| 11:47.43 | ma3x | MaliutaLap: i have prolem with 3945 |
| 11:47.43 | DawnLight | newsense: ahm... what are the available options with smarthost? |
| 11:47.50 | ma3x | it keeps changing speeds |
| 11:48.14 | ma3x | damn, can nobody really help me out |
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| 11:48.41 | DawnLight | newsense: did you setup the user name and password and encryption? it is all in the docs |
| 11:48.50 | themill | ma3x: we've just spent most of the last 10 minutes trying to troubleshoot the wrong driver... |
| 11:48.53 | abrotman | encryption ? |
| 11:49.04 | ma3x | abrotman: wpa2 |
| 11:49.08 | newsense | DawnLight: shouldnt need a password for sending |
| 11:49.11 | abrotman | wasn't asking you |
| 11:49.19 | newsense | im not trying to recieve mail from remote hosts |
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| 11:49.29 | abrotman | newsense: what if you send to your ISP mail account ? |
| 11:49.33 | newsense | setup my outgoing email address as my comcst one |
| 11:49.35 | MaliutaLap | ma3x: iany wireless will change speeds dependingon the signal it's getting from the WAP |
| 11:49.35 | ma3x | themill: and what exactly did you find out? |
| 11:49.54 | DawnLight | newsense: you think gmail would let anyone send email through their servers? they kind of do... |
| 11:50.00 | MaliutaLap | ma3x: it's not a wired interface where the speed will be constant, live with it |
| 11:50.00 | abrotman | DawnLight: he didn't say that |
| 11:50.07 | themill | ma3x: it's not relevant to the ipw driver though so it's not helpful |
| 11:50.08 | ma3x | MaliutaLap: so why does the signal change with iwl3945? |
| 11:50.14 | newsense | im sssending from their ip adress |
| 11:50.25 | abrotman | newsense: try to setup your system has a smart host with smtp.comcast.net as the smart host .. and send email to your ISP account |
| 11:50.33 | abrotman | thinks that's the right smtp host |
| 11:50.44 | DawnLight | ma3x: try the driver's mailing lists |
| 11:50.49 | ma3x | themill: of course it's relevant to the iwl3945, what else could it be? sometimes running fast as it should, sometimes 5x slower. |
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| 11:50.56 | newsense | yeah it is right host |
| 11:51.00 | ma3x | i booted windows and tested the speed and signal strenght |
| 11:51.02 | sladi | Hi! Should I ask in debian-devel list for help creating a package of a driver which isn't in the repos? |
| 11:51.02 | MaliutaLap | ma3x: I'm not here to give you a lesson on how wireless works, or how speed is negotiated |
| 11:51.05 | ma3x | it's so fast in winxp |
| 11:51.27 | themill | ma3x: if you can't see that this is going to be driver dependent then you are beyond help |
| 11:51.27 | ma3x | MaliutaLap: i don't need a constant speed |
| 11:51.30 | abrotman | newsense: right .. but try to send mail to your comcast.net account |
| 11:51.39 | ma3x | but i also don't like one time the speed is 24 mbps, the next minute 1mbps |
| 11:51.41 | themill | ma3x: I recall seeing suggestions for changing tx power and retry levels for the iwlwifi driver. You go google... I'm bored of this. |
| 11:51.42 | ma3x | that's rubbish |
| 11:51.49 | newsense | oh ok |
| 11:51.54 | newsense | one sec ill try that |
| 11:51.54 | abrotman | rubbish i tell you! |
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| 11:52.02 | sladi | I'd like to create a package. Should I ask the debel mailing list for help? |
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| 11:52.11 | sladi | *devel |
| 11:52.12 | abrotman | !tell sladi about mg |
| 11:52.16 | themill | sladi: /msg dpkg mentors |
| 11:52.22 | ma3x | themill: txpower of iwl, don't you change that in /etc/network/interfaces? i tried it but it never really changed it |
| 11:52.34 | ma3x | themill: ive also tried via iwconfig, nothing changed the txpower of the card |
| 11:52.35 | Halitherses | where does gnome automount usb drives? |
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| 11:54.15 | sladi | themill: dpkg only told me about the main-guide. I read it but I can't get the package ommand to work, although I can install with 'make install'. |
| 11:54.17 | \amethyst | Halitherses: /media/<something derived from the label or device id> |
| 11:54.20 | micky | hello, i've successfully installed openvpn on a debian VPS and while trying to activate masquerade or snat i'm getting an iptables cannot load module error, ( command & error output -> http://paste2.org/p/53206 ) |
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| 11:54.50 | DawnLight | can anyone paste me a grub menu.lst example for an lvm2 root setup? |
| 11:55.04 | sly007 | hello, do i need to apply linux-patch-debian to linux-source ? |
| 11:55.07 | themill | sladi: you can msg the bot yourself to ask it questions, e.g. /msg dpkg mentors |
| 11:55.08 | newsense | man no emails in gmail or comcast |
| 11:55.15 | newsense | back to the man |
| 11:55.31 | newsense | probobly something i mislooked |
| 11:55.42 | sladi | themill: Thanks a lot! :) |
| 11:55.44 | newsense | maybe not using port 25 |
| 11:56.07 | abrotman | newsense: they do |
| 11:56.10 | themill | sladi: you're going to need to do a lot more work to make the package. Also /msg dpkg nmg |
| 11:56.32 | abrotman | newsense: you migth want to try to setup a mail client and use its outgoing SMTP as smtp.comcast.net .. see if you can get mail out that way |
| 11:56.38 | jelly | has a suspicion that newsense might not be running debian :-> |
| 11:56.46 | abrotman | sly007: IIRC no |
| 11:56.48 | newsense | bs |
| 11:56.56 | newsense | i run debian all day and only debian |
| 11:57.00 | sladi | themill: I see, I'll look into it. ^^ |
| 11:57.11 | Halitherses | how can I ensure it is given then same label each time if there is one plugged in but not the other? |
| 11:57.14 | themill | sladi: have fun |
| 11:57.16 | jelly | newsense: you lucky person, I run RHEL4 and 5 and Solaris. :-( |
| 11:57.30 | abrotman | jelly: at least it's not Xenix? |
| 11:57.30 | newsense | i started out on redhat, my first os |
| 11:57.32 | ArmEagle|CZ | any chance debian by default has some firewall installed? |
| 11:57.45 | abrotman | no |
| 11:57.49 | newsense | nah |
| 11:57.52 | jelly | abrotman: I was in high or even middle school then |
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| 11:57.55 | ArmEagle|CZ | I'm trying to tunnel something ovre SSH. But I somehow think it doesn't allow connections |
| 11:58.08 | ArmEagle|CZ | or wait.. |
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| 11:58.52 | abrotman | jelly: and? never heard of a legacy system? |
| 11:59.07 | jelly | abrotman: yeah, it's called "woody" |
| 11:59.23 | abrotman | old man |
| 11:59.31 | jelly | abrotman: (well, more like "sorry bastard of woody/sarge/etch") |
| 11:59.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:59.49 | micky | hello, i've successfully installed openvpn on a debian VPS and while trying to activate masquerade or snat i'm getting an iptables cannot load module error, ( command & error output -> http://paste2.org/p/53206 ) |
| 11:59.58 | themill | abrotman: you mean legacy as in some strange OS that came from redmond? |
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| 12:00.17 | ma3x | intel suggests using compat-wireless. any idea what that is? |
| 12:00.18 | jelly | micky: what sort of VPS is it? Some don't allow messing with the kernel |
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| 12:00.19 | abrotman | themill: we could use SCO too :) |
| 12:00.26 | themill | yes! |
| 12:00.31 | abrotman | ma3x: you could google that too ? |
| 12:00.55 | abrotman | micky: that's also not a debian kernel .. might not have iptables at all |
| 12:01.05 | DawnLight | you guys aren't helping me and it isn't helping |
| 12:01.15 | micky | abrotman it`s openVZ`s kernel.. since it`s a VPS |
| 12:01.18 | abrotman | wonders who 'it' is |
| 12:01.20 | ma3x | abrotman: i googled on how to change txpower for iwl3945 but found nothing. can ya help me out? |
| 12:01.39 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 12:02.23 | DawnLight | :( |
| 12:02.42 | jelly | micky: I don't think ovz / virtuozzo wil let you do that, it uses the same kernel for all the VPS AFAIK |
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| 12:03.15 | DawnLight | i'm going to reboot. and when i'm done, i'm going to come back here |
| 12:03.45 | jelly | hides |
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| 12:03.57 | trentster | hey all, just a simple one, I have 50 logfiles in this format log.1.gz log.2.gz etc and a rogram that parses a logfile into a report call parser.pl. How do i pass each file in order to parser.pl without having to wait and do each one at a time ? |
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| 12:05.07 | raz0 | trentster, for loop? |
| 12:05.43 | kmeyer | trentster: what he said |
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| 12:06.49 | jelly | trentster: for i in `seq 50 -1 1`; do echo something with "log.${i}.gz"; done |
| 12:07.03 | trentster | raz0, just want to let it run and parse each file one at a time until it reaches file 50 |
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| 12:07.29 | jelly | trentster: are you sure you don't want to go from 50 to 1 in descending order? |
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| 12:07.34 | think_ | Does the harddrive for laptops come up as /dev/sd*? Or is it scsi? |
| 12:07.40 | \amethyst | for f in log*.gz; do parser.pl "$f"; done |
| 12:07.40 | nareshov | sata |
| 12:07.45 | kmeyer | think_: usually /dev/sd* |
| 12:07.47 | trentster | jelly no I want to go from 1 up to 50 ascending |
| 12:07.53 | kmeyer | wait, does debian have libata? |
| 12:08.00 | micky | abrotman_ thanks for the help.. seems that it was an ID10T error :) it seems while using NANO to edit the config file to add the allowed iptables modules for the VPS it added a \n in between thus not loading the required "iptables_nat" module. |
| 12:08.08 | kmeyer | think_: depends on if you're using stable/testing/unstable, I think |
| 12:08.20 | think_ | kmeyer, even for ide and sata, it comes as sd*, I have stable |
| 12:08.30 | kmeyer | huh, that's weird |
| 12:08.32 | trentster | \amethyst, thanks can I run that from shell or does it have to be run in a script? |
| 12:08.35 | wols_ | think_: that is normal |
| 12:08.46 | jelly | trentster: replace `seq ...` with {1..50} or `seq 1 50` then. You might be interested in/msg dpkg bashfaq |
| 12:08.47 | kmeyer | on my lenny box my IDE drive shows up as hd* |
| 12:09.05 | wols_ | kmeyer: depends on hdd controller. most are sd* |
| 12:09.08 | trentster | jelly, \amethyst thanks a lot |
| 12:09.19 | kmeyer | wols_: yeah I thought os |
| 12:09.22 | kmeyer | so |
| 12:10.18 | think_ | wols_, I mean, do I have a scsi harddrive, or ide, or sata? |
| 12:10.33 | jelly | \amethyst, trentster: a simple log*.gz would probably go 1, 10, 11, ... 19, 2, 20, 21, ... ascii order. |
| 12:10.49 | kmeyer | think_: either ide or sata |
| 12:10.58 | think_ | I can't get the fans to turn on my laptop |
| 12:10.59 | \amethyst | jelly: oh, sorry, I missed the 'in order' part |
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| 12:11.34 | think_ | I followed this link, but they didn't turn on http://www.sirlab.de/linux/debian_dell_d610.html |
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| 12:16.52 | think_ | I installed on an IBM laptop and it was so easy, everything just worked, but with this dell, I had to configure so many things. When I shut the lid, it would turn off the monitor, but when I re-open, it wouldn't turn back on |
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| 12:17.27 | znh | Hello. when I try to encode a video file with ffmpeg it claims it has no mp3 support. and I can't find any liblame packages. Suggestions would be appreciated |
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| 12:18.50 | wols_ | !tell znh about dmm |
| 12:19.02 | wols_ | mp3 encoding is patented. can't ship in debian |
| 12:19.18 | abrotman | technicaly .. isn't decoding also? |
| 12:20.07 | wols_ | no. open source exemption. so yes patented but doesn't matter |
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| 12:21.28 | znh | wols_: thank you |
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| 12:22.04 | jelly | notes libtwolame0 is present in debian main |
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| 12:22.34 | jelly | oh, it only does mp3 |
| 12:22.38 | jelly | mp2! |
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| 12:23.55 | jelly | think_: suspend/resume is flaky, depends on model, BIOS revision, kernel, which suspend implementation you use, the drivers loaded, and probably phase of the moon |
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| 12:24.56 | jelly | think_: eg. suspend is currently broken on my thinkpad with 2.6.26, but worked in .25 |
| 12:26.06 | abrotman | think_: which video chipset? |
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| 12:27.10 | Zharf | huh |
| 12:27.12 | Zharf | this is weird |
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| 12:27.38 | yereth | hi guys |
| 12:27.40 | Zharf | motion init.d script says it can't write /var/run/motion.pid (permission denied).. |
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| 12:28.00 | Zharf | it's starting as root though :o |
| 12:28.03 | yereth | I'm having problems with Samba, having it stop for around 10 seconds every few minutes |
| 12:28.12 | yereth | I checked the syslog, and I'm getting this output: |
| 12:28.14 | yereth | http://pastie.org/243146 |
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| 12:28.20 | yereth | can anybody help me out? |
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| 12:29.38 | yereth | someone has been busy with this server and after a reboot this problem started to occur |
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| 12:30.35 | think_ | when I boot, my computer says, FATAL: ERROR inserting i8xx_tco : No such device |
| 12:30.41 | think_ | You think my laptop has no fans? |
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| 12:34.01 | nareshov | @ @ |
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| 12:36.06 | abrotman | think_: i asked about your video, because mine does the same and it's a VBE issue |
| 12:36.24 | lxsameer | what is the best download manager in linux |
| 12:36.33 | nareshov | d4x ? |
| 12:36.42 | abrotman | wget ? |
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| 12:36.49 | abrotman | what are you trying to manage? |
| 12:36.50 | enouf | curl? |
| 12:37.06 | enouf | Quint? |
| 12:37.12 | enouf | hides |
| 12:37.17 | nareshov | >.< |
| 12:37.29 | think_ | abrotman, oh, sorry I didn't notice, 1 sec |
| 12:37.34 | kmeyer | I like wget |
| 12:37.44 | abrotman | think_: lspci | grep VGA |
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| 12:38.18 | lxsameer | abrotman : i want a download manager that can add connection and speedup download speed |
| 12:38.28 | nareshov | d4x |
| 12:38.30 | abrotman | lxsameer: for bittorent you mean |
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| 12:39.05 | think_ | abrotman, just waiting for it to boot, it stuck at mta |
| 12:39.09 | lxsameer | abrotman : no simple http? |
| 12:39.50 | abrotman | lxsameer: there are dozens .. |
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| 12:40.42 | lxsameer | abrotman : i know but i want the best? how about torrent and emule accerelator |
| 12:40.51 | abrotman | think_: nareshov likes d4x .. maybe give it a whirl .. i use wget for some things .. 'transmission' is a gnome-ish tool that works decently well |
| 12:41.10 | abrotman | lxsameer: i can't even find torrents on the intarweb :) |
| 12:41.41 | lxsameer | abrotman : why? |
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| 12:41.54 | abrotman | why can't i find them? |
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| 12:42.02 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 12:42.08 | abrotman | the last torrent i did was .. uh .. debian :) |
| 12:42.22 | Nyle | the torrent I'm doing is Fraiser complete series |
| 12:42.23 | Nyle | ;) |
| 12:42.30 | Nyle | should be done in 3 days |
| 12:43.00 | enouf | Joe Frasier? |
| 12:43.05 | Nyle | no you dumbass |
| 12:43.06 | enouf | hides |
| 12:43.09 | Nyle | heh |
| 12:43.17 | Nyle | Dr. Fraiser Crane |
| 12:43.27 | Nyle | I actually like David Hyde Pierce a lot more than fraiser |
| 12:43.31 | think_ | my CTRL+ALT+F1 isn't working |
| 12:43.56 | Nyle | think_, is your X frozen or something, input freeze? |
| 12:43.57 | think_ | I used to like that show so much, but those people in real life are devils |
| 12:44.00 | enouf | yeah, he's more the girley man |
| 12:44.03 | enouf | runs |
| 12:44.04 | Nyle | think_, try chvt |
| 12:44.06 | think_ | Nyle, no its not frozen |
| 12:44.33 | Nyle | enouf, you mean more sophisticated and talks sexy? |
| 12:44.33 | Nyle | yeh, thas right. |
| 12:44.36 | quadrat | does someone know where i can get a business image? |
| 12:44.40 | Nyle | !ping |
| 12:44.40 | dpkg | pong |
| 12:44.47 | quadrat | as the server from debian.org are empty |
| 12:44.51 | quadrat | +s |
| 12:44.53 | Nyle | Lag: 12.75 |
| 12:45.09 | Nyle | !d-i |
| 12:45.09 | dpkg | 4.0r3 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. Sarge is still available at http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ Developers page is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ .. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. Also ask about <errata>. |
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| 12:45.28 | Nyle | quadrat, you can try google 'debian torrents' |
| 12:45.34 | quadrat | ahh thanks :d |
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| 12:46.04 | enouf | think_: do you have a d610 ? |
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| 12:46.14 | Nyle | oh i hated that lattitude model |
| 12:46.18 | Nyle | I sold the fuck outta it though |
| 12:46.24 | _Zeuz_ | Leaving 1gb for /tmp is enough? |
| 12:46.36 | think_ | enouf, yep, it used to work, and then I made some changes to xorg.conf for my touchpad, and some other scripts for the lip |
| 12:46.43 | Nyle | _Zeuz_, sounds reasonable, make it 10 |
| 12:46.55 | _Zeuz_ | 10GB for /tmp ?!?! |
| 12:46.58 | Nyle | sure |
| 12:47.02 | _Zeuz_ | why that much? |
| 12:47.07 | Nyle | why not |
| 12:47.11 | _Zeuz_ | er... |
| 12:47.17 | Nyle | give it plenty of slak space man |
| 12:47.28 | Nyle | you can't spare 9gb? |
| 12:47.34 | Nyle | whas the matter with you |
| 12:47.34 | abrotman | it depends on the system |
| 12:47.37 | _Zeuz_ | I was asking to support /var with XFS so a faster reply would be seen at expenses of less battery |
| 12:47.38 | enouf | think_: just curious, ok, had a c610 article here bookmarked, but it's mostly about cpufreqd and such |
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| 12:47.41 | think_ | actually, it worked until I used the hibernate |
| 12:48.00 | think_ | enouf, where is the i18 fan gui? |
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| 12:48.05 | hellues | hey |
| 12:48.08 | Nyle | _Zeuz_, in that case, 1gb is reasonable |
| 12:48.11 | abrotman | !tell hellues about paste |
| 12:48.16 | Nyle | _Zeuz_, I personally don't try to trun out of /tmp |
| 12:48.19 | abrotman | i was just beating him to the punch :) |
| 12:48.21 | enouf | think_: no idea |
| 12:48.22 | hellues | my system doesnt recognize my ywireless card |
| 12:48.44 | hellues | i download firmware-iwlwifi than i do modprobe mac80211 |
| 12:48.46 | Nyle | hellues, which one do you have? (it probably requires non-free firmware, probably an easy install) |
| 12:48.53 | hellues | but there is no result |
| 12:49.01 | Nyle | mac80211 is the stack in kernel |
| 12:49.08 | Nyle | for networking for obviously 80211 |
| 12:49.14 | Nyle | what that does to do with your driver module? |
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| 12:49.25 | Nyle | my english is horrible. |
| 12:49.30 | ma3x | no kidding |
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| 12:49.40 | Nyle | I just woke up, leave me alone ;-0 |
| 12:49.40 | hellues | my english is not good :D |
| 12:49.53 | Nyle | what does that _have_ to do.... |
| 12:49.59 | think_ | My fans don't turn on |
| 12:50.11 | zaggynl | that's what she sa-- oh |
| 12:50.12 | hellues | my linux version 2.6.25-2 |
| 12:50.14 | quadrat | yeah wow... downloading with 0.00kb/s hm... maybe i just wait for 4.0r4 |
| 12:50.15 | quadrat | -.-" |
| 12:50.45 | hellues | and i installed firmware-iwlwifi than modprobe mac802 |
| 12:50.57 | hellues | and i installed firmware-iwlwifi than modprobe mac80211 but wireless dont work |
| 12:50.58 | Nyle | never heard of iwlwifi |
| 12:51.05 | hellues | hmm |
| 12:51.12 | hellues | intel 4965 |
| 12:51.14 | Nyle | hellues, which wifi chipset do you have (i don't wanna look it up) |
| 12:51.19 | Nyle | oh ok |
| 12:51.33 | enouf | think_: if you still are in the boot coming out of suspend/sleep/hibernate state, then reboot |
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| 12:52.00 | Nyle | hellues, did you compile the iwlwifi module/ |
| 12:52.01 | Nyle | ? |
| 12:52.06 | Nyle | !iwlwifi |
| 12:52.06 | dpkg | The new driver for Intel 3945 and 4965 wireless chipsets, included in Debian kernels since 2.6.23. Add <non-free sources>, then "aptitude update && aptitude install firmware-iwlwifi". "modprobe iwl3945" or "modprobe iwl4965" depending on your device's chipset. See http://wiki.debian.org/iwlwifi (particularly if you are switching from ipw3945). See also <wmaster0>, <wireless tree>, <iwlwifi etch>. #ipw2100 @ irc.freenode.net |
| 12:52.09 | hellues | modprobee mac80211 |
| 12:52.12 | Nyle | no! |
| 12:52.13 | enouf | see if there's some corrupt hibernation disk file, unless you told it to use swap |
| 12:52.16 | hellues | hmm |
| 12:52.17 | Nyle | fucking stop with the modprobing of shit |
| 12:52.18 | Nyle | :) |
| 12:52.27 | Nyle | that is NOT your iwlwifi driver |
| 12:52.28 | hellues | what can i do :D |
| 12:52.29 | think_ | enouf, no, I booted, but its says, i19k no such device, and CTRL+ALT+F1,2,3.. doesn't work either |
| 12:52.43 | Nyle | hellues, read what dpkg just said |
| 12:53.05 | enouf | sounds like some funky 3d binaryt blob crap |
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| 12:53.12 | hellues | but |
| 12:53.18 | Nyle | i like big butt |
| 12:53.19 | Nyle | :D |
| 12:53.21 | hellues | thisworked |
| 12:53.24 | abrotman | Nyle: seriously? |
| 12:53.31 | Nyle | yeh.. |
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| 12:53.38 | think_ | when I look in dmesg, it says i8k: unable to get SMM BIOS Version |
| 12:53.39 | Nyle | and i cannot lie |
| 12:53.40 | hellues | this worked if install firmware-iwlwifi thant modprobe mac80211 |
| 12:53.44 | hellues | it worked |
| 12:53.50 | hellues | not it doesnt work |
| 12:53.52 | Nyle | I give up |
| 12:53.55 | helo | is there a good way to strip down a debian installation so that it is as small as possible without affecting the functionality installed packages? |
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| 12:54.13 | helo | *of |
| 12:54.26 | abrotman | helo: what would you like to remove? all the docs? |
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| 12:55.17 | helo | yeah, that would be a good start i suppose |
| 12:55.18 | Nyle | google for "slimming down debian" |
| 12:55.20 | Nyle | perhaps? |
| 12:55.24 | kes0 | hello, i added a source in the source.list and then the apt program said it was wrong format , and i removed the source and apt is still whining over that :S what can i do ? |
| 12:55.44 | helo | im trying to reduce the on-disk size for quick reimaging |
| 12:55.44 | abrotman | kes0: paste the error and your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 12:55.45 | Nyle | helo, try to also remove any -dev packages you don't need |
| 12:55.59 | enouf | helo: try localepurge as well |
| 12:56.02 | kes0 | pastebin ? |
| 12:56.08 | Nyle | only generate the one you need |
| 12:56.13 | Nyle | enouf, good idea too |
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| 12:56.32 | abrotman | !tell kes0 about paste |
| 12:56.34 | enouf | don;t install a DE ;-) |
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| 12:56.43 | abrotman | deborphan |
| 12:56.44 | kes0 | !tell |
| 12:56.47 | kes0 | thx =) |
| 12:56.52 | enouf | apt-get clean :-p |
| 12:57.11 | Nyle | !tell kes0 -about dpkgbot |
| 12:57.26 | enouf | ouch .. though, the .debs d/l would be removed, so might not be what you want |
| 12:58.16 | helo | i'm down to about 400MB, but all i need is ssh, basic shell tools, screen, python, wxpython, and X |
| 12:58.30 | Nyle | sounds about right for a base install |
| 12:58.48 | Nyle | 250-300mb usually on a netinst or a bit more perhaps |
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| 12:59.25 | think_ | oh crap, the volume buttons don't work either |
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| 12:59.56 | enouf | think_: a fsck might be in order? bad shutdown? |
| 13:00.17 | think_ | enouf, for the volume button issue? |
| 13:00.31 | Nyle | volume button ever worked yet? |
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| 13:00.35 | Nyle | in deb? |
| 13:01.04 | quadrat | helo did u try kdrive? |
| 13:01.09 | helo | nope |
| 13:01.10 | quadrat | its much smaller than x |
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| 13:01.47 | helo | sounds interesting |
| 13:01.48 | enouf | got/need build-essential? |
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| 13:01.57 | helo | nope |
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| 13:02.07 | enouf | take a look at the list of files on grml.org/files see the small version |
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| 13:02.19 | enouf | s,files,pkgs |
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| 13:03.49 | Nyle | you're a pkg |
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| 13:05.56 | enouf | util-linux, procps, etc .. you need that stuff :-P |
| 13:06.19 | enouf | Nyle: someone stole http://www.lesswatts.org/ :-{ |
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| 13:08.41 | Nyle | that sucks |
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| 13:08.54 | Nyle | all the fixmypc.com is taken |
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| 13:09.01 | Nyle | 1800 fix my p is also taken :( |
| 13:09.14 | jelly | fix your pee? |
| 13:09.25 | Nyle | im trying to think of a catchy vanity tool free # |
| 13:09.42 | Nyle | then i'll just call my site, 800whatevernameicomeupwith.com |
| 13:09.54 | Nyle | jelly, fixmypc |
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| 13:10.01 | jelly | it will have you as an owner, so tool free it won't be! :-> |
| 13:10.05 | Nyle | jelly, computer repair division in my company |
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| 13:10.41 | Nyle | I'm actually on the hunt for a driver, gonna try pay him 500-600/wk cash to go around and pick up laptops and desktops from customers (and gotta advertise more too) |
| 13:11.00 | Nyle | I already got a genius kickass laptop tech, replace mobo in laptop even, the dude is a guru |
| 13:11.04 | Nyle | anyway |
| 13:11.53 | \01111010 | Is it possible to make it so that every new file that's created in a directory automatically has the same rights as the directory itself? |
| 13:12.08 | \01111010 | Like.. if the dir is 771, the file should automatically be 771 too |
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| 13:13.02 | jelly | \01111010: no, set umask in your app |
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| 13:13.14 | Nyle | !ping |
| 13:13.14 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:13.19 | jelly | !ding |
| 13:13.20 | dpkg | i guess ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/, or dong |
| 13:13.25 | Nyle | Lag: 11.82 |
| 13:13.58 | abrotman | so reconnect already |
| 13:14.02 | abrotman | or download less stuff |
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| 13:14.19 | Nyle | meh |
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| 13:14.24 | \01111010 | jelly: ty |
| 13:14.31 | Nyle | my roommate is watching some hindu worship videos |
| 13:14.42 | Nyle | online |
| 13:14.51 | Nyle | slowing me down |
| 13:14.57 | abrotman | Nyle: try the offtopic channel |
| 13:15.08 | jelly | and wondershaper |
| 13:15.13 | Nyle | my bad |
| 13:15.19 | Nyle | nah |
| 13:15.23 | Nyle | squid delay pools ;) |
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| 13:15.47 | Nyle | I run etch squid, maybe I should pull that system out of the closet |
| 13:16.36 | enouf | \01111010: see if any of this applies http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-desktop-74/applying-default-permissions-for-newly-created-files-within-a-specific-folder-605129/ |
| 13:16.52 | Nyle | JoshH, you know what im talking about, yah? |
| 13:17.01 | Nyle | er.. |
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| 13:17.11 | Nyle | jelly-home, * |
| 13:17.15 | \01111010 | jelly-home: heh, I've been reading that just now :D but thanks ^^ |
| 13:17.26 | \01111010 | Um... I meant enouf |
| 13:18.46 | voraistos | anybody knows how i could clean sarge up ? |
| 13:18.55 | voraistos | err |
| 13:18.59 | voraistos | ETCH |
| 13:19.01 | voraistos | lol |
| 13:19.15 | abrotman | clean up? |
| 13:19.27 | voraistos | my provider provides me with some crippled version of debian |
| 13:19.38 | voraistos | i want to remove everything but bash and sshd |
| 13:19.45 | voraistos | so i can upgrade to lenny. |
| 13:19.56 | enouf | sounds like ubuntu or something |
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| 13:20.58 | voraistos | or maybe there is a way to get a lanny installer running sshd ? |
| 13:20.59 | quadrat | voraistos why not try debootstrap |
| 13:20.59 | quadrat | ? |
| 13:21.12 | voraistos | whats deboostrap ? |
| 13:21.20 | ronr | !debootstrap |
| 13:21.20 | dpkg | somebody said debootstrap was <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/debootstrap, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a <chroot>. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap, or key to Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System. See to the release specific Debian GNU/Linux Installation Guide for more details. |
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| 13:22.24 | voraistos | so, debootstrap could install debian in a chroot, is that it ? |
| 13:22.37 | Nyle | it bootstraps a debian system |
| 13:22.39 | helo | how do i see my gutenprint drivers? |
| 13:22.51 | helo | i installed the package, but they don't seem to be available... |
| 13:22.57 | Nyle | binary format, you don't have to link the toolchain and compile the compiler and/or kernel whatever |
| 13:23.26 | Nyle | if you're on a unnix/linux you can use debootstrap to start a debian isntall, partition or local /dirsomewhere, chroot into it |
| 13:23.34 | Nyle | but in a nutshell yes |
| 13:24.06 | voraistos | ok i'll take a look at this tool then |
| 13:24.14 | joltcan | But what he really wanted was to have a minimal-package so he could remove stuff from the original installation? |
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| 13:24.21 | Nyle | you don't install anything in a chroot, you install debian where you wanna install it, and then you chroot into it (obviously you'll need to link the device node trees, and other stuff like the /proc file ssytem |
| 13:24.23 | voraistos | that would be easier |
| 13:24.25 | Nyle | etc. etc. |
| 13:24.27 | helo | ahh, forgot cupsys-driver-gutenprint heh |
| 13:24.34 | Nyle | !wayttd voraistos |
| 13:24.34 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, voraistos? |
| 13:24.50 | Nyle | voraistos, nm I see |
| 13:24.57 | voraistos | i have this server. i can access it only with ssh |
| 13:25.07 | Nyle | voraistos, hang on im reading up |
| 13:25.09 | janK2 | mount -t proc proc /chroot/proc && mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev |
| 13:25.15 | voraistos | and the debian distro i can install on it is crap. i want the default stuff. |
| 13:25.18 | joltcan | voraistos: I have only seen that in ubuntu though, you might have to do some aptitude/dselecting to remove stuff, but thats boring |
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| 13:25.40 | Nyle | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apds03.html.en |
| 13:25.42 | dalias | i have a printing issue |
| 13:25.44 | Nyle | D.3. Installing Debian GNU/Linux from a Unix/Linux System |
| 13:25.49 | Nyle | voraistos, read this link |
| 13:25.56 | voraistos | OK |
| 13:25.59 | voraistos | :) |
| 13:26.03 | Nyle | its the debian install guide |
| 13:26.13 | Nyle | which you should have consulted in the first place |
| 13:26.18 | voraistos | lol i didnt know there even was an install guide. |
| 13:26.20 | Nyle | but its ok to ask here.. do it now |
| 13:26.27 | Nyle | voraistos, debian.org |
| 13:26.47 | dalias | ever since an upgrade several months ago, my printer is no longer available in iceweasel and gtk apps. only "print to file" is available. i use lprng and printing works fine from the comand line with the lpr command so i suspect it's something weird about how gui apps enumerate printers |
| 13:26.54 | dalias | any ideas? |
| 13:27.14 | Nyle | dalias, you probably need cupsys |
| 13:27.23 | Nyle | !cups |
| 13:27.23 | dpkg | cups is probably a spiffy new printing system. or available under the GPL since june 1999, or making loads of trouble if you try to use it, or available at http://www.cups.org (or so says http://www.easysw.com), or see <cups-unstable>, or http://localhost:631/admin, or see <cups setup> |
| 13:27.44 | Nyle | that what I use and it works ok |
| 13:27.47 | dalias | why should i need cups? did gtk just interntionally remove support for simple lpr? |
| 13:27.53 | Nyle | dalias, no clue |
| 13:28.01 | dalias | i really have no need for cups |
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| 13:28.15 | dalias | i have a remote network printer that accepts postscript |
| 13:28.35 | znh | um. how can I prevent a user to delete a file that he owns? |
| 13:28.36 | dalias | so i want to use whatever is the lightest weight without drivers/filters, extra daemons, etc |
| 13:28.43 | znh | for specific directory |
| 13:28.55 | dalias | znh, remove the user's write permissions for the directory |
| 13:29.06 | znh | dalias: the user has be able to write |
| 13:29.08 | dalias | however the user could still overwrite the file contents with something else |
| 13:29.26 | dalias | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 13:29.44 | znh | file uploading with scp |
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| 13:29.55 | znh | people may upload but not modify or delete files |
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| 13:30.06 | dalias | oh |
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| 13:30.21 | dalias | hmmm |
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| 13:32.08 | DawnLight | ahuh! root=/dev/vg_name/lv_name is no good! it has to be root=/dev/mapper/vg_name-lv_name ! hear that jelly-home? abrotman? |
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| 13:32.49 | voraistos | hmm i saw this doc. interesting, but thats not exactly what i want. I'll need an extra disk for this. annoying. And i dont have any other server nearby so i cant netboot. bah. I'll just pay a visit to the datacenter then. |
| 13:32.52 | janK2 | lets say you have a website with a movie like http://freedocumentaries.org/film.php?id=135 and its wrapped in javascript. is there a way to download it for later viewing? |
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| 13:33.22 | znh | janK2: yes, there is a firefox addon named 'downloadhelper' that does the job easly |
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| 13:33.39 | janK2 | znh: awesome, thanks |
| 13:34.10 | petemc | or keepvid.com |
| 13:34.12 | mardi | i like debian, it's been good to me |
| 13:35.25 | ronr | if I add account required pam_deny.so to my common-account, logging in seems to work ok, however, after something like sudo su it says User account has expired (ignored), removing the line gets rid of the message but now every ldap user has access instead of just those with the right groupdn |
| 13:35.32 | znh | i dislike the huge difference between iceweasel and firefox, especialy it's stability |
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| 13:36.26 | ronr | nm, got it, was a problem with nssswitch |
| 13:36.27 | Sertse | hey all |
| 13:36.44 | mardi | hi Sertse |
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| 13:36.49 | dbmoodb | !release |
| 13:36.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, release is Etch has been released (2007-04-08). Etch is Debian 4.0, and is now considered "stable". Ask me about <install debian> or <sarge->etch>, or see http://www.debian.org/releases/ for the latest (and historical) releases. |
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| 13:37.16 | abdoreza | Hi all |
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| 13:37.54 | abrotman | dbmoodb: you can msg the bot |
| 13:38.09 | mardi | hi abdoreza |
| 13:38.13 | dbmoodb | yeah sorry |
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| 13:38.40 | abdoreza | mardi: :) how are you? |
| 13:38.48 | quadrat | where can i find -> | on the us keyboard? |
| 13:39.02 | mardi | abdoreza: great, thanks for asking, and how are you? |
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| 13:39.16 | ma3x | why when i insert "retry 20" in /etc/network/interfaces and then ifup wlan0, it still says retry: 7 |
| 13:39.20 | ma3x | and if i do iwconfig wlan0 retry 20 then it changes it |
| 13:39.21 | abdoreza | very thanks:D |
| 13:39.22 | ma3x | why putting that option in /etc/network/interfaces doesn't apply? |
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| 13:40.01 | Extend | i need a etch-ports sources.list |
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| 13:40.51 | joltcan | ma3x: thats a good question, but you could add a "up iwconfig wlan0 retry 20" statement to the interfaces file as a workaround |
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| 13:43.53 | themill | ma3x: what's the exact syntax you used in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 13:44.02 | mumu_123 | hi |
| 13:44.16 | abdoreza | mumu_123: Hi |
| 13:44.21 | SeveredCross | quadrat: the pipe is Shift-\ |
| 13:44.26 | SeveredCross | Right below backspace. |
| 13:44.29 | mumu_123 | abdoreza> i'm looking 4Â help |
| 13:44.35 | themill | !just ask |
| 13:44.36 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 13:45.03 | mumu_123 | i have a problem with libg2c |
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| 13:45.08 | mumu_123 | i use lenny |
| 13:45.11 | abdoreza | mumu_123: I can not help you |
| 13:45.15 | ma3x | why sometimes i have Quality=55/100 Signal level=-75 dBm and at other times Quality=40/100 Signal level=-90 dBm |
| 13:45.22 | mumu_123 | adboreza> no prob ;) |
| 13:45.28 | abdoreza | mumu_123: I can not speak en:( |
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| 13:45.41 | mumu_123 | adboreza> it's ok :) |
| 13:45.45 | abdoreza | :-$ |
| 13:45.50 | SeveredCross | ma3x: Fluctuating power output? Solar winds? |
| 13:46.03 | mumu_123 | does anybody have issues with libg2c on lenny ? |
| 13:46.17 | ma3x | but the Tx-Power=27 dBm is always the same |
| 13:46.20 | mumu_123 | because it appears the package is no longer available in the repos |
| 13:46.26 | abdoreza | what libg2c? |
| 13:46.40 | abdoreza | what is libg2c? |
| 13:46.53 | mumu_123 | abdoreza> it's a lib to turn fortran to C |
| 13:47.08 | mumu_123 | needed by a program I use |
| 13:47.08 | quadrat | thx SeveredCross |
| 13:47.15 | SeveredCross | You're welcome. |
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| 13:47.31 | themill | mumu_123: g77 is no longer in lenny/sid and so tools that are used by g77 are also no longer present. Debian now uses gfortran. |
| 13:47.46 | Squawk | Hey chaps, just tried running a debian livecd (http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ia64/iso-cd/ first cd mentioned) but it just kind of hangs for 30 seconds or so, then windows boots. CD was burned using cdrecord and I can browse all the files on the cd. Any suggestions where to start looking |
| 13:47.48 | mumu_123 | themill > yeah, I know |
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| 13:48.15 | mumu_123 | themill > so u mean libg2c and stuff are now part of gfortran ? |
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| 13:48.32 | ma3x | SeveredCross: it's not because of solar winds, must be something else! in windows it keeps having the best speed, never actually changes 5 times slower like in linux |
| 13:48.47 | ma3x | SeveredCross: and the txpower is always the same in linux 27 dBm |
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| 13:49.20 | ma3x | SeveredCross: right now i have speed about 15 kbytes/s instead of 2 mbytes |
| 13:49.23 | ma3x | that's devastating! |
| 13:49.24 | SeveredCross | Tx Power shouldn't matter. |
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| 13:49.34 | ma3x | so what's the problem then!? |
| 13:49.34 | SeveredCross | Not that much anyway. |
| 13:49.38 | SeveredCross | What card/driver? |
| 13:49.41 | ma3x | iwl3945 |
| 13:49.45 | themill | mumu_123: no. I believe there are now alternatives to libg2c for gfortran. I'm not sure what they are though. But in general you will need to recompile things for gfortran and you cannot mix g77 with gfortran. |
| 13:49.47 | ma3x | with wpa2 (wpasupplicant) |
| 13:49.50 | the-dude | which kernel |
| 13:50.01 | mumu_123 | themill > yeah sure |
| 13:50.01 | themill | ma3x: does changing the retry value help? |
| 13:50.05 | mumu_123 | themill > :) |
| 13:50.16 | ma3x | themill: i just changed it from 7 to 20 and it's gotten worse!! |
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| 13:50.25 | SeveredCross | Hmm. |
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| 13:50.27 | SeveredCross | That's strange. |
| 13:50.31 | ma3x | 2.6.25-2-686 kernel |
| 13:50.34 | SeveredCross | iwl3945 worked perfeclty for me in Debian. |
| 13:50.34 | mumu_123 | themill > maybe I compiled my program using g77, which would explain this |
| 13:50.36 | themill | ma3x: the debian wiki says that you might need to change the value a few times to get it to work |
| 13:50.39 | SeveredCross | Even when I was using sid. |
| 13:50.41 | themill | mumu_123: yeah |
| 13:50.59 | ma3x | SeveredCross: is iwl3945 newer in sid? |
| 13:51.02 | mumu_123 | themill > OK, I'll try this out, thx ! |
| 13:51.07 | the-dude | had some troubles with slow wireless on 2.6.24/25 kernels |
| 13:51.08 | SeveredCross | Probably not much. |
| 13:51.12 | mumu_123 | c ya everybody ! |
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| 13:51.31 | mordy | how can i check my localization options? |
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| 13:51.37 | balasyum | hi |
| 13:51.49 | balasyum | how can I make ssl work with apache2? (https) |
| 13:51.51 | mordy | (i'm asking because when i start emacs, i see a bunch of "[]" and not text |
| 13:51.52 | ma3x | i forgot to mention something |
| 13:51.56 | balasyum | can someone link me a good guide? |
| 13:52.09 | the-dude | balasyum: debian-administration.org |
| 13:52.09 | ma3x | i have set a fixed ip on my computer. does it matter if it's fixed or dhcp retreiving |
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| 13:52.26 | balasyum | thank you, the-dude |
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| 13:52.32 | balasyum | bye |
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| 13:52.39 | mordy | ma3x, if it's fixed then it's not dhcp, if it's dhcp it's not fixed |
| 13:52.44 | znh | does someone know which filesystems over network can be used in combination with OpenVZ? NFS doesn't work |
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| 13:52.52 | ma3x | mordy: i mean does it matter for the quality? |
| 13:53.28 | mordy | ma3x, fixed IPs will be a bit faster in connection and reduce the load off the gateway, whereas dhcp can avoid IP conflicts, but that's only if you're using many computers |
| 13:53.35 | johnfg | hi guys |
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| 13:53.44 | petemc | not much load associated with dhcp |
| 13:53.50 | abdoreza | johnfg: hi |
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| 13:54.24 | mordy | fixed IPs are also easier to manage in a network if you're not using DNS |
| 13:54.27 | johnfg | Was going to download 4.0r4 via whatever, but, apparently I'm a little quick? Everywhere I've gone, there's no files there: jigdo, bittorrent, or ftp. |
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| 13:54.49 | themill | dpkg: tell mordy about ssh linedraw |
| 13:54.54 | nezza-_- | mordy: don;t think so.. with hostnames and a dhcp table it is really easy :) |
| 13:55.10 | nezza-_- | mordy: and you can create rules for special hosts AND avoid ip conflicts. |
| 13:55.10 | mordy | nezza-_- i said without using dns ;) |
| 13:55.22 | nezza-_- | mordy: oh sorry. didn't get it |
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| 13:55.57 | nezza-_- | mordy: but for private dhcp is good as i think. the load is not really higher by using dhcp |
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| 13:56.16 | mordy | yeah, unless you have a lot of computers connecting/disconnecting and a really slow gateway |
| 13:56.17 | LimCore | hi |
| 13:56.22 | johnfg | Will 4.0r4 be available later today? Here it's just about 0800 MST. |
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| 13:56.30 | johnfg | Actually MDT. |
| 13:56.38 | mordy | since the only thing DHCP does is assign an IP at connection, once you're connected it doesn't make much of a difference |
| 13:56.46 | cire | my dhcpd sends out 3 dns servers. If the first a) is not reachable, or b) can't resolve a name, is the second server tried automatically instead? |
| 13:56.49 | quadrat | does someone know a good tutorial for kdrive installation (for debian)? google has no answer for that ;) |
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| 13:58.40 | abrotman | johnfg: we don't make the images |
| 13:58.46 | mordy | themill - thanks. do i really need all these locales? i just need hebrew english and arabic |
| 13:59.39 | fairway | I use putty and ultravnc. |
| 13:59.44 | johnfg | abrotman: OK, thanks. Just thought someone here might know when, or may have already found the images somewhere. |
| 13:59.46 | fairway | is there an ultravnc client for debian? |
| 13:59.59 | simNIX | wonders if anyone here knows the linksys nslu2 - I run Debian on it and want to buy another nslu2 - now is the case that some are 133Mhz and some are 266Mhz - one I can get is Manufactured 11/2007 -> how to know if this is the one at full speed or not ... |
| 14:00.14 | think_ | you know all the scroll messages during boot, is it saved to a file, or just see dmesg/. |
| 14:00.18 | ma3x | should i enable or disable these 2 options? wpa-scan-ssid 0 or 1 and wpa-ap-scan 0 or 1 or 2 |
| 14:00.22 | ma3x | maybe that's what's slowing it down??? |
| 14:00.25 | simNIX | if this is not the place to ask bout hardware I would apreciate sugestion where to ask |
| 14:00.41 | mordy | well, that and syriac |
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| 14:01.39 | balasyum | I unfortunately don't have apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 14:01.42 | balasyum | how can I get it? |
| 14:01.49 | themill | !apache2-ssl-certificate |
| 14:01.49 | dpkg | somebody said apache2-ssl-certificate was no longer present: ask me about <self-signed ssl key> or use make-ssl-cert from package ssl-cert instead. See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=398520, or or make-ssl-cert /usr/share/ssl-cert/ssleay.cnf /etc/apache2/ssl/apache.pem |
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| 14:02.06 | eroticon | hello |
| 14:02.14 | eroticon | are there 4.0r4 iso images out there yet? |
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| 14:02.33 | Zoup | dear all , i need urgent help , i did mkfs.ext3 on my already ext3 partition , how can i recover ? |
| 14:02.48 | quadrat | eroticon nope sry |
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| 14:02.59 | eroticon | quadrat: not anywhere? |
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| 14:03.15 | quadrat | not that i know as i need them myself ;) |
| 14:03.21 | lrp | hello |
| 14:03.29 | eroticon | heh |
| 14:03.33 | quadrat | i did not found any mirror or the debian ftp server |
| 14:03.35 | eroticon | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/ |
| 14:03.37 | eroticon | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.42 | quadrat | but i need just a business card image |
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| 14:03.44 | quadrat | and i cant |
| 14:03.47 | quadrat | arg |
| 14:04.02 | quadrat | yeah i meant that i did not find a server with images on |
| 14:04.03 | quadrat | ;) |
| 14:04.15 | eroticon | ill just apt-get then |
| 14:04.26 | eroticon | apt-get upgrade should do it |
| 14:04.35 | abdoreza | bye all:D |
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| 14:05.19 | quadrat | eroticon yeah i cant ;) as i have no debian on sys -.-" |
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| 14:07.09 | balasyum | if I try to open a site on my server with https://, it says the data transfer has been interrupted (or something like that) |
| 14:07.22 | mordy | ma3x, dhcp could make connection a bit slower, but not by far |
| 14:07.32 | DawnLight | hi mordy |
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| 14:07.41 | mordy | hello Dawn Light |
| 14:07.45 | DawnLight | can anyone tell me wtf is up with cdimage.debian.org? |
| 14:08.11 | DawnLight | mordy: are you coming to the free software convention this friday in tel-aviv? |
| 14:08.14 | balasyum | "Secure Connection Failed" |
| 14:08.26 | balasyum | "SSL received a record that exceeded the maximum permissible length." |
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| 14:08.45 | mordy | DawnLight, now that you mention it, i may be thinking about it - but i avoid Tel Aviv like the plague :( |
| 14:09.28 | think_ | do you think it is safe to use my computer if I get a FATAL: Error i8xx, during boot? |
| 14:09.29 | DawnLight | mordy: me too. i haven't experienced the plague, though |
| 14:10.52 | mordy | DawnLight, last time i was there it was rather horrible. I was wondering though if there were some place i would be able to exchange hardware. I have a nice monitor, laser printer, and a few other things i'd like to get rid of - i may be moving. I was wondering if i could exchange them for something smaller :( |
| 14:11.28 | DawnLight | mordy: i am accepting gifts |
| 14:11.43 | mordy | DawnLight, what would i get in return though? |
| 14:11.53 | DawnLight | i am a very recieving person |
| 14:12.09 | mordy | DawnLight, so am i:p |
| 14:12.38 | DawnLight | ahm... i don't have much useful hardware to give |
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| 14:13.05 | mordy | i need small things :( things i can place in a suitcase |
| 14:13.14 | DawnLight | i have several P2's and 3's |
| 14:13.29 | DawnLight | i have... a notebook |
| 14:13.30 | mordy | DawnLight - laptops? |
| 14:13.35 | mordy | ahh.. notebooks are good |
| 14:13.53 | DawnLight | no, not a notebook computer. a notebook |
| 14:14.00 | mordy | Ha! |
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| 14:15.48 | mordy | gah, i'm still getting boxes in emacs after dpkg-reconfigure locales - and i selected a *utf-8 locale |
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| 14:18.41 | DawnLight | mordy: etch? |
| 14:18.50 | mordy | DawnLight, yes, this one is etch |
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| 14:19.32 | Crypticfortune | hmm, how do i set up what fonts are used in gnome/gtk so when characters not found in whatever font is providing "Sans"? |
| 14:19.33 | Grim76__ | Anyone else having trouble with downloading ISO files from mirrors? |
| 14:19.33 | DawnLight | mordy: i hear that lenny has a release goal of 100% utf-8 compatible by default and by default |
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| 14:19.49 | Grim76__ | As in the ISO files are not there? |
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| 14:20.23 | mne | Hi, I would like to create a debian JFF2 root image for the ARM platform. What is the best way to create such a JFFS2 rootfs image ? |
| 14:20.29 | mordy | DawnLight, it worked once, i don't know why it's not working now. I'm not trying to type hebrew in there or anything like that |
| 14:20.44 | DawnLight | mordy: try reset |
| 14:20.52 | mordy | reset what? |
| 14:21.01 | dalias | crypticfortune, it involves making a .fonts.conf file specifying the preference order |
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| 14:21.53 | mordy | weird thgouh that when i print something from emacs, it comes out nrmally |
| 14:22.12 | DawnLight | mordy: the reset command |
| 14:22.33 | mordy | ahh... but i'm using the emacs gui |
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| 14:22.49 | Crypticfortune | dalias: thanks. that at least gets me on the right google trail. |
| 14:22.53 | DawnLight | mordy: ahuh |
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| 14:23.02 | mordy | still doesn'tdo anything |
| 14:23.36 | dalias | look at /etc/fonts/conf.d/60-latin.conf |
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| 14:23.40 | Crypticfortune | i had it set up nicely before somehow, but when i switched to lenny it went back to ugly japanese fonts for some reason... |
| 14:24.03 | dalias | that's the basic idea for how the generic font family fallbacks are configured |
| 14:24.33 | dalias | 65-nonlatin.conf might be helpful to read too |
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| 14:24.50 | mordy | gah |
| 14:24.51 | dalias | i would recommend doing the overrides in your ~/.fonts.conf rather than systemwide tho |
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| 14:25.04 | Crypticfortune | dalias: cool, thanks! |
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| 14:26.23 | mordy | *sigh* |
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| 14:27.15 | JonkoPA | I'm running debian SID 2.6.25-2-486. Selinux enabled and the selinux-policy-defauilt installed. I'm currently booted in this policy but have a view errors: http://pastebin.com/m487b8421 |
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| 14:30.23 | zxxd | why so many critical updates |
| 14:30.53 | themill | dpkg: tell zxxd about apt-listchanges |
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| 14:33.54 | think_ | I can't get to a text terminal on my laptop |
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| 14:52.11 | Sling | hm no lufs in etch |
| 14:52.23 | Sling | stupid beta software |
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| 14:55.49 | Sling | ah but curlftpfs is |
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| 14:56.04 | Ergo^ | hello |
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| 14:56.18 | Ergo^ | i was doing apt-get update / apt-get upgrade in lenny |
| 14:56.23 | Ergo^ | and i cant finish updating |
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| 14:56.42 | mynullvoid | Ergo^: define can't finish updating |
| 14:56.43 | Ergo^ | Stopping Courier authentication services: authdaemond/usr/sbin/authdaemond: line 16: /etc/courier/authdaemonrc: No such file or directory |
| 14:56.51 | Ergo^ | mynullvoid: defined :] |
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| 14:58.04 | Ergo^ | mynullvoid: http://paste2.org/p/53256 - this is full message |
| 14:58.13 | mynullvoid | Ergo^: do you have courier-authdaemon installed? |
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| 14:58.29 | Ergo^ | i think it was before |
| 14:58.43 | Ergo^ | i tried installing it but it ended up with this message |
| 14:59.05 | mynullvoid | dpkg -l | grep courier-authdaemon |
| 14:59.06 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep courier-authdaemon |
| 14:59.10 | mynullvoid | what does i say |
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| 14:59.27 | Ergo^ | iFR courier-authdaemon 0.60.1-2.1 Courier authentication daemon |
| 14:59.32 | cirwin | I'm getting a 404 when trying to download netinst http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 15:00.49 | mynullvoid | cirwin: r4 is coming ;) |
| 15:01.00 | cirwin | ok.. |
| 15:01.05 | cirwin | wants now! :p |
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| 15:01.12 | mynullvoid | Ergo^: do you have it installed? |
| 15:01.22 | mynullvoid | i mean it's an upgrade or new install |
| 15:01.43 | Ergo^ | mynullvoid: the error showed up during update so i guess its installed |
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| 15:02.25 | mynullvoid | apt-get remove --purge courier-authdaemon |
| 15:02.34 | cirwin | how long will it take before I can download the installer? |
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| 15:02.59 | Ergo^ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:04.34 | mynullvoid | http://www.debian.org/CD/http-ftp/ |
| 15:04.54 | mynullvoid | cirwin: get from mirror new you |
| 15:05.07 | Ergo^ | mynullvoid: i cant uninstall it :( |
| 15:05.19 | mynullvoid | what does it say? |
| 15:06.14 | Ergo^ | Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should reinstall it before attempting a removal. |
| 15:06.15 | mynullvoid | apt-get install --reinstall courier-authdaemon |
| 15:07.00 | Ergo^ | mynullvoid: http://paste2.org/p/53264 - no success - here is the output |
| 15:07.27 | mynullvoid | Ergo^: http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:07.33 | mynullvoid | ops |
| 15:07.42 | mynullvoid | cirwin: http://ftp.pl.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:07.55 | cirwin | mynullvoid: thanks |
| 15:07.59 | cirwin | I found it in france |
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| 15:08.11 | cirwin | but I was very confused by the main site not having any doesnloads at all |
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| 15:09.31 | mynullvoid | it's okay just download it |
| 15:09.38 | mynullvoid | Ergo^: touch /etc/courier/authdaemonrc |
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| 15:09.42 | busfahrer | Excuse me, how do I keep something in init.d from starting? For example I have MySQL installed but I don't want the server to start at boot time. |
| 15:10.03 | Ergo^ | mynullvoid: No such file or directory |
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| 15:10.48 | mynullvoid | as root type this in your prompt: authdaemonrc |
| 15:10.50 | mynullvoid | ops |
| 15:10.52 | wamty | anyone know if debian's netinst supports wireless? |
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| 15:10.58 | mynullvoid | touch /etc/courier/authdaemonrc |
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| 15:11.25 | mynullvoid | Ergo^: touch is to create a new file |
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| 15:11.34 | lxsameer | if i want to upgrade my glibc on my etch what should i do ? one time i lose my system on this way. |
| 15:11.38 | Ergo^ | mynullvoid: i dont have courier dir even :/ |
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| 15:11.57 | wamty | anyone know if debian's netinst supports wireless? |
| 15:12.06 | joltcan | busfahrer: man update-rc.d, and scroll down to the examples |
| 15:12.15 | busfahrer | joltcan: thanks |
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| 15:12.39 | Ergo^ | mynullvoid: thanks, ive created /etc/courier |
| 15:12.45 | Ergo^ | and touched the new dile |
| 15:12.47 | joltcan | wamty: yes, but a lot of wireless cards uses non-free drivers, so it might not work anyway :/ |
| 15:12.50 | Ergo^ | now update executed fine |
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| 15:13.35 | Sling | hmm |
| 15:13.37 | Sling | drwxr-xr-x 23 root root 1024 2008-05-21 12:00 .. |
| 15:13.37 | Sling | ?--------- ? ? ? ? ? /mnt/ftp |
| 15:13.43 | Sling | how do i fix those permissions |
| 15:13.50 | Sling | titanium:~# chown root /mnt/ftp |
| 15:13.50 | Sling | chown: cannot access `/mnt/ftp': Input/output error |
| 15:13.50 | jhanssen | guys does anybody know why I am getting the modprobe:FATAL:Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.25/modules.dep File does not exists ? |
| 15:14.13 | mynullvoid | wamty: http://www.debian.org/distrib/netinst |
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| 15:14.37 | joltcan | jhanssen: run depmod |
| 15:14.48 | jhanssen | I did.. but nothing was showed up .. |
| 15:14.49 | abrotman | depmod -a usually |
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| 15:14.59 | mynullvoid | Ergo^: touch is just a workaround |
| 15:15.07 | badcfe | hello. i think ive done something bad: my daemons listens to fixed ports at 2xxxx --- wich is bad cause they may be taken by a client right? |
| 15:15.08 | jhanssen | lets reboot and see... brb |
| 15:15.10 | joltcan | jhanssen: did you upgrade the kernel and did not reboot? |
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| 15:15.15 | wamty | do they mention wireless? |
| 15:15.17 | wamty | anyone know if debian's netinst supports wireless? |
| 15:15.22 | mynullvoid | Ergo^: consider remove the package and install it back |
| 15:15.24 | jhanssen | thank you joltcan and abrotman |
| 15:15.24 | abrotman | depends on the chipset |
| 15:15.25 | wamty | They don't mention wireless in this page |
| 15:15.40 | jhanssen | I did, else how could I see the error message huh ? |
| 15:15.43 | abrotman | wamty: for instance .. my wifi is suppoorted in etch's netinst |
| 15:15.47 | jhanssen | brb rebooting |
| 15:15.56 | badcfe | is it possible to configure the definition of what "high ports" are used by connect() |
| 15:16.02 | badcfe | ? |
| 15:16.06 | badcfe | for example the minimum limit? |
| 15:16.12 | dalias | yes |
| 15:16.15 | badcfe | i would like to make it more than the usual 10000 |
| 15:16.51 | badcfe | cuz i have found my self in the ambarrasing situation of creating daemons on ports like 2xxxx |
| 15:16.58 | badcfe | dalias: oh yes. how? |
| 15:17.10 | mynullvoid | hi abrotman |
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| 15:17.52 | Sling | oh lol |
| 15:17.59 | Sling | i mounted the curlftpfs onto a file instead of a directory |
| 15:18.02 | Sling | nvm |
| 15:18.27 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:18.27 | mynullvoid | anyone know if I can install debian straight to my usb? |
| 15:18.32 | dalias | badcfe, it's in /proc or something, i think |
| 15:18.32 | abrotman | !usb install |
| 15:18.32 | dpkg | i heard usb install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian from a USB stick/thumbdrive/pen drive/key, as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: Details in the Installation Guide http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch04s04.html.en , see "usb stick" section http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ for images. (Older, outdated articles http://d-i.pascal.at/ and http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian) |
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| 15:19.13 | p3u | hi #debian |
| 15:19.31 | p3u | got a problem with pxe and diskless etch |
| 15:19.34 | wamty | abrotman, i guess i'll just have to try it out and see. my understanding was that debian's netinst didn't didnt have wireless support for installation |
| 15:19.53 | p3u | in a test environnement everything is ok and working fine |
| 15:19.57 | abrotman | wamty: my AP was open .. card was supported in the kernel .. so it could get a dhcp address |
| 15:20.15 | joltcan | wamty: It has, but sometimes the chipset isn't supported, and sometimes the firmware needed isn't free, so they couldn't include it in the installer |
| 15:20.17 | p3u | in a production environnement, the boot freeze when loading vmlinuz and all my network is down |
| 15:20.30 | p3u | i have no idea where to look ... |
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| 15:20.52 | jhanssen | abrotman, still same error |
| 15:21.11 | jhanssen | modules.dep file or module not found. |
| 15:21.24 | zamba | where's the cd installs for debian 4.0r4? |
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| 15:21.42 | joltcan | jhanssen: what does uname -a say? |
| 15:21.48 | wamty | abrotman, joltcan, gotcha. any way i can find out what my card needs beforehand? |
| 15:21.56 | abrotman | tell us what it is |
| 15:22.01 | jhanssen | the new kernel |
| 15:22.02 | abrotman | zamba: don't exist yet |
| 15:22.03 | jhanssen | 11:41:17 am |
| 15:22.03 | jhanssen | Jhanssen |
| 15:22.03 | jhanssen | 2 professionals and 2 streets |
| 15:22.09 | jhanssen | Linux squarepant 2.6.25 #1 Tue Jul 29 11:14:58 BRT 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 15:22.21 | wamty | abrotman: what? |
| 15:22.26 | abrotman | wamty: what is your wifi card? |
| 15:22.38 | wamty | i'm actually on a friend's machine, so i'm not 100% on the hardware he has |
| 15:22.41 | joltcan | jhanssen: did you compile it yourself? |
| 15:22.43 | zamba | abrotman: well, problem is that r3 has been made extinct |
| 15:22.43 | wamty | but i do know his AP isn't open. |
| 15:22.55 | zamba | abrotman: so it's impossible to download a working cd for installation |
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| 15:22.59 | jhanssen | yeah ..debian sources and make-kpkg |
| 15:23.02 | abrotman | zamba: it's still on some mirrors |
| 15:23.20 | zamba | abrotman: any idea which? |
| 15:23.22 | abrotman | wamty: without knowing the wifi card .. i can't even begin to tell you if it will work or not |
| 15:23.37 | lxsameer | is there pidgin on debian etch DVDs? |
| 15:23.41 | zamba | abrotman: nvm, found it on the .se one |
| 15:23.43 | mynullvoid | abrotman: correct me if I am wrong, we can't install debian straight to usb? |
| 15:23.44 | abrotman | zamba: http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 15:23.45 | joltcan | jhanssen: Then I guess you didn't actually compile the modules or something like that |
| 15:23.52 | abrotman | mynullvoid: did you read the last link in what dpkg said? |
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| 15:23.55 | zamba | .fi, i mean |
| 15:24.00 | mynullvoid | yes |
| 15:24.09 | zamba | abrotman: yeah, lovely :) |
| 15:24.22 | zamba | has anyone migrated a running system over to compact flash? |
| 15:24.23 | mynullvoid | abrotman: I read all of those, dsl & rip are there |
| 15:24.33 | jhanssen | joltcan, weird because it took a good time to compile and the /lib/modules/2.6.25/ exists on my box |
| 15:24.33 | abrotman | the last one? |
| 15:24.47 | mynullvoid | i am looking for fresh debian |
| 15:24.48 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/USB-HD_Boot_Full_Debian ? |
| 15:24.49 | zamba | or maybe have some general recommendations as to how i should do it? |
| 15:24.51 | joltcan | jhanssen: Is there anything in it? |
| 15:25.04 | jhanssen | /lib/modules/2.6.25$ ls -lrt |
| 15:25.04 | jhanssen | total 488 |
| 15:25.22 | jhanssen | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30631 2008-07-29 12:15 modules.dep |
| 15:25.27 | joltcan | jhanssen: Then I have no idea |
| 15:25.33 | spiekey_ | does anyone know how to build a drbd0.8 kernel module for etch? |
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| 15:25.48 | joltcan | jhanssen: what exactly are you trying to do when you get the error message? :) |
| 15:25.57 | jhanssen | just booting the machine |
| 15:26.26 | jhanssen | the box is working fine .. but That message is bugging my eyes |
| 15:26.36 | joltcan | jhanssen: Then maybe you have something old in /etc/modules and it is now compiled into the kernel (so the complaint is not about the modules.dep, its about the module not being found) |
| 15:27.02 | mynullvoid | it's better I install like I normally do chroot mode :D |
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| 15:27.18 | jhanssen | let me see so how create a new /etc/modules |
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| 15:27.23 | jhanssen | thanks joltcan |
| 15:28.49 | flawer | Hi. I really cant install a driver. When I run make on it, i get the message "entering <lib/kernel123/build/modules/ .... nothing has to be done for <modules. stopping ... moving out of <dir...modules>". Any suggestions? :/ Ive just installed debian, and the build-essentials. I followed the instructions for the driver here http://rtl-wifi.sourceforge.net/wiki/Main_Page |
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| 15:30.45 | wamty | abrotman; i did lsusb -v and i got Linksys, Compact Wireless-G USB Adapter |
| 15:30.55 | lukosanthropos |  Hi guys, I'm thinking of using Debian on a small server I'm building, but the hardware runs on an DEC alpha processor, does anyone know if fedora supports them |
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| 15:31.53 | flokuehn | lukosanthropos: fedora ??? |
| 15:32.07 | voraistos | do you know how i can force a particular ARCH ? |
| 15:32.16 | petemc | lukosanthropos: might be better asking #fedora what they support, debian supports alpha |
| 15:32.23 | voraistos | even if its just a lie. |
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| 15:32.54 | wamty | ? |
| 15:32.56 | wamty | So? |
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| 15:36.12 | AbortRetryFail | anybody know what the 'chastity-list' package is, it's a suggested pkg for 'squidguard' but apt-cache show chastity-list comes up with nothing... |
| 15:36.19 | lukosanthropos | Sorry i did ask in fedora, I meant to ask the same question about debian, (oops) I cannot find a working link for the alpha install though |
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| 15:37.52 | flokuehn | lukosanthropos: i just could offer you an working link for the testing version |
| 15:37.59 | flokuehn | lukosanthropos: if you want to |
| 15:38.41 | lukosanthropos | flokuehn, I would prefer a more stable release, but beggers != choosers |
| 15:39.11 | badcfe | i would like to increase the definistion of the limit for "high port" .... so that connect() for tcp sockets shurely uses higher ports than 20000 |
| 15:39.14 | badcfe | normally its 10000 right? |
| 15:39.29 | Lectus | I think they're upgrading to 4.0r4, so the links are down for some time. |
| 15:39.43 | mynullvoid | apt-cache show chastity-list |
| 15:40.05 | AbortRetryFail | i did that, it came back with nothing. |
| 15:40.10 | mynullvoid | AbortRetryFail: if I am not mistaken it used to filter access |
| 15:40.26 | mynullvoid | I am not on my debian machine at the moment |
| 15:40.41 | AbortRetryFail | i'm sure it is if it's suggested by squidguard, but i don't know why the package isn't there... |
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| 15:40.53 | simonrvn | badcfe: no |
| 15:41.05 | flokuehn | lukosanthropos: hmk |
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| 15:41.22 | Zharf | hmmm |
| 15:41.35 | Zharf | $ screen |
| 15:41.35 | Zharf | mkfifo /var/run/screen/S-eclipser/27372.pts-1.slowpoke failed |
| 15:41.36 | Zharf | :< |
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| 15:42.42 | dumb_dumb | guys where to find listed laptop that supported & tested using debian 4 |
| 15:43.09 | Mantaar | hey guys. Is anyone using a gpg-agent? I have a problem with it: after a certain while it just loses the passphrase (while had been running all the time) and I thought the whole sense behind it was that it's gonna keep it in memory for all of the session... |
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| 15:44.06 | ma3x | why after i resume from suspended state (image on disk) my touchpad scroll zone doesn't work anymore |
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| 15:44.24 | ma3x | and i get that noisy beep if i keep pressing backspace |
| 15:44.24 | think_ | I can't make my laptop or desktop sleep. I have another desktop though, and I just hit the sleep button on the keyboard and it sleeps |
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| 15:44.28 | flokuehn | lukosanthropos: ok. you could download the whole stabel DVD. |
| 15:44.28 | ma3x | when i reach end of field |
| 15:44.29 | lxsameer | is there any programming channel ? |
| 15:44.34 | think_ | where is sleep in the gui? |
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| 15:44.44 | voraistos | i know there is some sort of kernel module somewhere that fakes uname. surely someone knows where to find it? I cant :P |
| 15:45.18 | Mantaar | dumb_dumb: try googling for linux on laptops. i |
| 15:45.29 | gentlyninja | in which file is the systemstart logged? |
| 15:45.46 | dalias | an LD_PRELOAD lib would work just as well.. |
| 15:45.48 | gileswork | lo peeps |
| 15:46.09 | think_ | voraistos, hehehehe, you can try using alias' or something, and make fake. Just write some code that says printf("Linux Extreme, best in Universe, kernel 2.40.2 |
| 15:46.14 | dalias | mantaar, regarding gpg-agent, there's a timeout (should be configurable) so it forgets the passphrase if you don't use it in a while |
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| 15:46.30 | dalias | this is a security measure in case you leave your session logged in and walk away |
| 15:46.37 | dalias | i'm sure there's some way to adjust the timeout tho |
| 15:47.08 | SeveredCross | make fake, heh. |
| 15:47.19 | Mantaar | dalias: yeah. I was looking for the wrong thing as I just noticed. looked for timeout, where it should've been 'cache'. |
| 15:47.30 | Mantaar | thanks though, I think I can go from here... |
| 15:47.38 | badcfe | simonrvn: theres no way? |
| 15:47.58 | voraistos | think my problem was more related to the arch :D |
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| 15:48.30 | simonrvn | badcfe: depends what you have in mind |
| 15:48.38 | badcfe | augment it to 20000 |
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| 15:49.13 | Mantaar | the problem is though, that even this way it only allows a 'maximum' amount of seconds. I can't say 'keep' indefinetly. |
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| 15:49.53 | Mantaar | And I'm not afraid of people touching my machine. I use xmonad, a customized keyboard layout based on dvorak and just a generally weird setup :-D |
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| 15:50.17 | think_ | I get some error during boot FATAL:Error, how do I view after boot? |
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| 15:51.01 | badcfe | can i increase the high-port (used by tcp connect) limit to something greater than 10000 ? |
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| 15:52.58 | cahoot | think_: dmesg and/or boologd |
| 15:53.04 | cahoot | bootlogd |
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| 15:58.14 | ma3x | why is the system so sluggish after i resume from suspended state? |
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| 15:58.19 | ma3x | it's freezing in instances |
| 15:58.24 | ma3x | like after every 5 secs |
| 15:58.27 | ma3x | what's that all about? |
| 15:58.35 | ma3x | another miracle of linux? |
| 15:58.45 | voraistos | hmm i would think *something* is not being mounted back properly |
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| 15:59.14 | ma3x | like what |
| 15:59.20 | voraistos | a bit like when a nfs server goes down. what a pain. |
| 15:59.25 | ma3x | proc is mounted |
| 15:59.33 | voraistos | but i have no idea what your problem is to be honest |
| 15:59.42 | cahoot | tried a look at dmesg? |
| 16:00.08 | voraistos | then you could try to get a recent vanilla kernel and see if the problem persists. |
| 16:00.14 | ma3x | dmesg shows nothing about it |
| 16:00.21 | voraistos | thats weird. |
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| 16:01.13 | mordy | ma3x, can you check your CPU frequency? |
| 16:01.16 | voraistos | once, dmesg was giving me so much love it crashed my anti-aliased gnome-terminal :D |
| 16:01.36 | ma3x | yes it's normal |
| 16:01.50 | ma3x | that's hate dude |
| 16:02.05 | Charliez | type /s irc.bdchat.com |
| 16:02.11 | Charliez | type /s irc.bdchat.com |
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| 16:02.15 | Charliez | type /s irc.bdchat.com |
| 16:02.25 | voraistos | no, that's gnome-terminal being a prick again. i mean there was a time when displaying text wasn't so hard and didnt require quad core cpus :O |
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| 16:02.47 | ma3x | why dont u use konsole :) |
| 16:02.57 | ma3x | i dont get this |
| 16:03.01 | voraistos | I'm just giving up X |
| 16:03.09 | ma3x | when i hold backspace i keep getting that flood beep sound |
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| 16:03.12 | ma3x | how can i disable it? |
| 16:03.20 | voraistos | i saw a nice TUI windows manager once, i gotta try it out :D |
| 16:03.34 | oranger | hi there ugly ports to embedded multimedia devices eg. dreambox satellite receiver ppc 405 based , no one know if there debian project? |
| 16:04.50 | voraistos | probably not oranger, but you could do something from scratch if you can access the filesystem, and see how the thing boots. Also you'll need drivers :D |
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| 16:04.59 | cahoot | ma3x: could try rmmod pcspkr |
| 16:05.20 | voraistos | lol |
| 16:05.24 | oranger | yeah thats true anyway use U-boot |
| 16:05.35 | jelly | !tell ma3x -about bell |
| 16:05.39 | ma3x | cahoot: thanks a lot |
| 16:05.47 | ma3x | why does it keep loading after suspend/resume? |
| 16:05.59 | cahoot | ma3x: not blacklisted? |
| 16:06.00 | voraistos | The default pc speaker sound is so horrible. |
| 16:06.17 | ma3x | yeah i just hate it |
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| 16:06.23 | cahoot | tune it? |
| 16:06.38 | voraistos | we need to ship debian with a nice bash profile |
| 16:06.41 | jelly | a related question: how to make a nicer sound instead of the system beep? |
| 16:06.43 | oranger | its like pc mainboard ..hd,usb etc |
| 16:06.48 | ma3x | the default volume? or how do you tune it? |
| 16:06.48 | voraistos | something with colors and nice sounds |
| 16:06.57 | cahoot | man xset |
| 16:07.12 | voraistos | i dont think you can tune the volume, but you can definitely change the frequency. |
| 16:07.29 | jelly | voraistos: no, we don't. I don't want fancy schmacy colors and bells in a root term on a server |
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| 16:07.44 | voraistos | i do :P |
| 16:07.44 | Lectus | will debian 4.0r4 support SATA harddisks? |
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| 16:08.17 | voraistos | colors and bells are such a basic thing to setup, and they are so useful. |
| 16:08.19 | flawer | what does "make[1]: nothing has to be done for "modules"" mean? |
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| 16:08.52 | ashley_ | Hey - I'm trying to use net rpc to shutdown a windows box but the command isn't found ("net"), is it in apt? If so, as what? net? |
| 16:08.56 | voraistos | it means the modules are already built, or that nothing needs to be built as there are no modules. |
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| 16:10.12 | voraistos | ashley_ the true challenge is to hack into the win2000 server of the power company and shut down this windows machine the way it was meant to :D |
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| 16:11.17 | flawer | the modules doesnt exists. If there are no modues, how do I make them? |
| 16:11.18 | ma3x | cahoot: why no colors when you log on to root? is that blacknwhite supposed to make you aware you're root? |
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| 16:12.05 | malachi_constant | When I attempt to install Debian with a dm-crypted root partition, (I haven't tried unencrypted yet), it fails to install grub or lilo. /boot is on a separate partition. It didn't ask me whether I wanted to install to the boot sector or not. |
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| 16:13.25 | dalias | malachi_constant, you definitely cannot boot 'normally' if the partition containing the kernel is encrypted... |
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| 16:13.41 | energY | Does debian support PowerPC? |
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| 16:13.54 | voraistos | flawer: well, it depends on the package you are compiling, but obviously "make" does not need to compile any modules. you should check your ./configure |
| 16:14.08 | zyx386 | \amethyst, hi |
| 16:14.08 | voraistos | energY yes |
| 16:14.28 | flawer | the drivers, .ko arent made :/ |
| 16:14.32 | energY | voraistos: With flash and hardware acceleration? |
| 16:14.44 | voraistos | flash.. i doubt this |
| 16:15.12 | voraistos | you can use a free flash replacement, or maybe use a x86 emulator |
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| 16:15.35 | malachi_constant | dalias: as I said, /boot is on a separate partition. |
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| 16:16.38 | dalias | ah, hmm |
| 16:16.50 | dalias | well you need to pass the key to the kernel somehow |
| 16:16.56 | dalias | otherwise there's no way it could mount the root fs |
| 16:16.59 | Jester45 | how can i make backports automagically used by defualt |
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| 16:17.24 | malachi_constant | dalias: that's not the problem I don't think; grub doesn't install at all. |
| 16:17.37 | dalias | :( |
| 16:17.39 | dalias | i dunno then |
| 16:17.42 | dalias | sorry |
| 16:17.53 | malachi_constant | Hmm, let me check out #grub. |
| 16:18.31 | voraistos | hmm thats annoying, i cant mount proc in a chroot, permission denied. |
| 16:18.31 | malachi_constant | Nah, they'd probably tell me to complain to the d-i people. :( |
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| 16:18.52 | gentlyninja | in which file is the systemstart logged? i have trouble with bootup |
| 16:18.56 | Jester45 | voraistos, you have to mount it from outside the chroot first i think |
| 16:19.06 | DukGalNamu | how can i be sure that php is compiled with ssl support? |
| 16:19.09 | malachi_constant | voraistos: try mount --bind /proc chroot/proc ? |
| 16:19.16 | malachi_constant | Or something like that. |
| 16:19.23 | DawnLight | is cdimages.d.o still down? |
| 16:19.28 | voraistos | oh yes malachi i think you're right |
| 16:19.38 | cahoot | gentlyninja: : dmesg and/or in /var/log/bot if bootlogd is enabled |
| 16:19.44 | voraistos | then the debian installation manual has a bug :D |
| 16:19.55 | malachi_constant | File a report. ;) |
| 16:21.13 | voraistos | actually, its not the manual, its debootstrap |
| 16:21.14 | DukGalNamu | ? |
| 16:21.15 | voraistos | weird |
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| 16:22.54 | cezar | this is a weird question, but I'm having trouble piping the output from mpg321--apparently it takes EVERYTHING on the line as an argument, so when I do > xx.txt it thinks im trying to play that file rather than pipe to it. Is there a way to pipe the mpg321 output? |
| 16:23.09 | cezar | this is the only console app I've ever found that does this behavior |
| 16:23.17 | cezar | 2>&1 doesnt work either |
| 16:23.18 | DukGalNamu | |> |
| 16:23.24 | cezar | ahh good one |
| 16:23.31 | cezar | didn't work |
| 16:23.33 | gentlyninja | thanks |
| 16:23.36 | DukGalNamu | :\ |
| 16:23.46 | DukGalNamu | thats a smiley btw, not a nother one |
| 16:23.49 | cezar | rofl |
| 16:23.54 | themill | cezar: can you pastebin your exact command? |
| 16:24.00 | cezar | mpg321 > xx.txt |
| 16:24.03 | cezar | that's it for right now |
| 16:24.09 | cezar | no matter what I do mpg321 doesn't pipe |
| 16:24.17 | cezar | it takes everything on the line as an arg, try it yourself |
| 16:24.28 | cezar | and then ls > xx.txt works fine |
| 16:24.36 | cezar | its just some weirdness on mpg321's part |
| 16:24.38 | DukGalNamu | cezar: try puting ' around it |
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| 16:24.47 | cezar | which, the initial command? |
| 16:24.52 | DukGalNamu | yeah |
| 16:24.55 | cezar | no dice |
| 16:25.11 | DukGalNamu | try mpg123? |
| 16:25.25 | cezar | same behavior actually |
| 16:25.34 | DukGalNamu | lame |
| 16:25.38 | cezar | very |
| 16:25.42 | DukGalNamu | nono |
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| 16:25.48 | DukGalNamu | lame, mp3 encoding |
| 16:25.58 | cezar | I guess I could try finding another console mp3 app, but it seems like there's got to be a trick to get it to pipe |
| 16:26.04 | DukGalNamu | i am assuming thats what you want to do? |
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| 16:26.15 | cezar | nah im actually just trying to embed a 'now playing' into a website |
| 16:26.28 | cezar | i can do all the rest, but im just having trouble getting it to pipe its output to a txt file |
| 16:26.31 | themill | cezar: it won't see > xx.txt. What are you actually trying to do? what are you expecting to see |
| 16:26.39 | cezar | i want it to pipe stdout to a txt file |
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| 16:26.51 | cezar | that's all |
| 16:27.01 | themill | cezar: mpg321 doesn't put out anything on stdout |
| 16:27.02 | janK2 | maybe there simply is no stdout and no stderr? |
| 16:27.06 | themill | cezar: it's all stderr |
| 16:27.16 | cezar | well why doesn't 2>1& work then |
| 16:27.20 | cezar | nothing works! |
| 16:27.23 | themill | because you're using it wrong |
| 16:27.31 | themill | cezar: mpg321 foo.mp3 2> foo.txt |
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| 16:27.38 | cezar | dude I've already done that |
| 16:27.40 | cezar | no dice |
| 16:27.46 | janK2 | haha |
| 16:27.48 | cezar | try it on your system |
| 16:27.48 | themill | works for me |
| 16:27.50 | cezar | really? |
| 16:27.58 | themill | yes |
| 16:28.12 | cezar | shit |
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| 16:28.19 | cezar | i swear I tried that line before |
| 16:28.25 | cezar | well you're right |
| 16:28.25 | DukGalNamu | -_- |
| 16:28.37 | janK2 | :D |
| 16:29.02 | DukGalNamu | alright, back to my question, how do i find out if my version of php has ssl support compiled in? |
| 16:29.14 | themill | cezar: you screwed up your 2>&1 syntax (it should be 2>&1 not 2>1&) See http://wooledge.org:8000/BashFAQ?action=show&redirect=BashFaq#head-af7c01996974cd12530e30789c9827aeb9df6db9 |
| 16:29.26 | cezar | yeah right on all accounts |
| 16:29.31 | cezar | well thx for the help :) as always |
| 16:29.35 | themill | cezar: order is also important for those redirects |
| 16:30.28 | themill | DukGalNamu: SSL for what? |
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| 16:30.56 | magyar_ | hi, is there application to spell check a content of a website? |
| 16:31.31 | cezar | ur best bet would be to copy and paste into word or something |
| 16:31.56 | dalias | i imagine there's a firefox extension for that |
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| 16:32.20 | cezar | or that |
| 16:32.22 | dalias | or if you mean from whatever program you're editing the html in, that program probably has a spellcheck feature |
| 16:32.35 | DukGalNamu | themill: website.... not sure what you mean by that question.... |
| 16:32.47 | cezar | there's scripts you can run on your site to spellcheck incoming content too |
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| 16:33.05 | themill | magyar_: many of the spell checkers in debian handle html and ignore the tags for you. e.g. aspell check index.html |
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| 16:33.38 | adsjcsp | Boa tarde a todos, alguém manja de vpn aqui? |
| 16:33.42 | flawer | err... anybody who knows how to get wifi rtl8185L work on debian? |
| 16:33.46 | flawer | pci* |
| 16:33.47 | adsjcsp | se tiver pode me ajudar? |
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| 16:33.58 | themill | !br |
| 16:33.58 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 16:34.04 | simonrvn | !lart cezar |
| 16:34.04 | dpkg | installs a bad bootloader on cezar and turns cezar into a brick |
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| 16:34.28 | themill | DukGalNamu: but what do you want to do with the SSL? Is this just for an https:// website? or is this for grabbing pages from another site over file("https://")? How do you actually plan to use SSL? Which PHP function do you want ssl in? |
| 16:34.28 | magyar_ | themill, got it thanks |
| 16:35.33 | DukGalNamu | it's for a https:// site, it looks like i am getting an error in the fread function... i think? |
| 16:35.54 | themill | DukGalNamu: what's the error and what's the argument to fread? |
| 16:36.08 | DukGalNamu | fread() +[function.fread<https://www.blanklabels4less.com/%5C%27function.fread%5C%27>]: |
| 16:36.11 | DukGalNamu | SSL: fatal protocol error |
| 16:36.32 | themill | cezar: what's "word"? I don't know a debian package by that name. |
| 16:36.39 | cyzie | is it possible to free the ram other than reboot the system ? |
| 16:36.45 | simonrvn | !coffee themill |
| 16:36.45 | dpkg | decants a fine brew of organic, fair trade Jamaican Blue Mountain for themill, courtesy of simonrvn |
| 16:36.48 | jelly | cyzie: free of what? |
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| 16:37.09 | DukGalNamu | cyzie: if you shut off everything and log out... |
| 16:37.16 | DukGalNamu | log everyone out |
| 16:37.20 | themill | DukGalNamu: Have you tried going to https://www.blanklabels4less.com/ ? It generates a certificate trust error. |
| 16:37.29 | cyzie | DukGalNamu, jelly i want something like garbage collection in java :) |
| 16:37.32 | DukGalNamu | does it? doesn't for me |
| 16:37.51 | jelly | cyzie: do you know how to find out available ram? |
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| 16:38.06 | simonrvn | probably not |
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| 16:38.16 | cyzie | jelly, i would like to hear your opion. |
| 16:38.19 | themill | DukGalNamu: You may need to tell php to trust that certificate.... aiui fread in debian should support https URLs |
| 16:38.31 | DukGalNamu | ok, it does |
| 16:38.44 | DukGalNamu | themill: so how do i do that? |
| 16:38.52 | jelly | cyzie: that doesn't answer the question. How do you know how much free ram you have? |
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| 16:39.06 | cyzie | jelly, free |
| 16:39.56 | simonrvn | \o/, he does |
| 16:39.58 | jelly | cyzie: which number are you reading? (hint: it's on the -/+ buffers/cache line, the free column) |
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| 16:40.47 | themill | !free memory |
| 16:40.47 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 16:41.28 | DukGalNamu | you can adjust swappiness |
| 16:41.33 | DukGalNamu | iirc |
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| 16:41.39 | JyZyXEL | !iirc |
| 16:41.39 | dpkg | IIRC, "IIRC" is an acronym for "If I Recall Correctly", or "If I remember correctly" |
| 16:41.46 | DukGalNamu | wtf |
| 16:42.14 | cyzie | jelly, okay, i just dont liek the swap space use alot where they are free space. so maybe soem kind of manual trigger to speed thing up so response can be better. |
| 16:42.25 | DukGalNamu | themill: seriously though, what do i need to do to get php to trust the cert? |
| 16:42.26 | cyzie | when tehy are free memory |
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| 16:43.04 | jelly | cyzie: the default settings ought to work well on a desktop system |
| 16:43.05 | DukGalNamu | cyzie: yeah, to keep the kernel from using swap space you have 2 options.... |
| 16:43.15 | DukGalNamu | turn the swap off |
| 16:43.32 | DukGalNamu | or adjust swappiness, then turn the swap off to clear it and back on |
| 16:43.51 | cyzie | DukGalNamu, id ont think turn it off is a good idea. |
| 16:44.03 | DukGalNamu | turning it off and leaving it off isn't |
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| 16:44.27 | jelly | cyzie: your forcing the swap off might worsen things. that said, google swappiness, eg. http://kerneltrap.org/node/3000 |
| 16:44.28 | DukGalNamu | flipping it off and on shouldn't be a problem unless you are already over the max |
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| 16:45.13 | themill | DukGalNamu: no idea.... you'll need to ask ##php |
| 16:45.17 | cyzie | jelly, i agree with that cause i dont think turning off or leaving off or wahtever suggested from DukGalNamu without considering possible consequences will only add what my current slow response system. |
| 16:45.27 | DukGalNamu | sigh |
| 16:46.27 | jelly | cyzie: thinking isn't useful here. Test and measure. |
| 16:46.31 | themill | DukGalNamu: I suggest you write a really simple test case (a whole two lines) and try it with a couple of different https sites. Ones with certs that are sensible and trusted and also with the site you're looking at there. Test cases are good. |
| 16:47.41 | cyzie | jelly, thanks for that article. |
| 16:47.45 | DukGalNamu | well.. 2 things, i am not a dev, so i don't know how to do that... and i have no other ssl sights under my control atm |
| 16:47.56 | cyzie | jelly, would not try on prod |
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| 16:48.41 | jelly | cyzie: a) buy more RAM b) optimize your app |
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| 16:49.49 | cyzie | considering getting some 667 ram as it is affordable now. optimize my app ? mm.. it's evince taking up 30% of the ram. would not go into optmize it |
| 16:49.50 | jelly | cyzie: some apps have known memory leaks and restarting helps. Some apps can be tuned badly and force the system to swap when they shouldn't. |
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| 16:50.14 | cyzie | jelly, i agree, i close evince everything went smooth again |
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| 16:51.15 | jelly | cyzie: isn't that just a pdf viewer, how much RES did it eat in absolute figures? |
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| 16:52.15 | themill | DukGalNamu: fread works fine against that site here.... :( |
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| 16:52.44 | jelly | cyzie: if it's more than say 50-150MB, you're either viewing humongous pdfs or evince is crap *g* |
| 16:53.16 | pipegeek | Is there any way to make passwd write the generated hash to stdout, rather than to /etc/shadow? |
| 16:53.19 | cyzie | didnt get the cahnge to look at RES, but look at %MEM in ps |
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| 16:53.50 | jelly | cyzie: how much RAM do you actually have? |
| 16:53.52 | murufuluss | hello there |
| 16:53.57 | murufuluss | how do i upgrade to 4.0R4? |
| 16:54.06 | pipegeek | or, alternatively, what is 'passwd' doing, and how can I duplicate it? |
| 16:54.12 | murufuluss | I only have 3 lines on my sources.list |
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| 16:54.33 | jelly | cyzie: if you say 128 or 256MB, I'll have to scorn you for using Gnome bloatware. |
| 16:54.37 | cyzie | jelly, 1GB |
| 16:54.44 | cyzie | jelly, am using xfce |
| 16:54.48 | murufuluss | could someone help me upgrade to 4.0R4 or find out wether i am running 4.0r4 already? |
| 16:54.52 | murufuluss | I just ran apt-get upgrade |
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| 16:55.37 | voraistos | do you guys prefer firefox or iceweasel? are they much different ? |
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| 16:56.00 | DukGalNamu | themill: so... problem with the code? |
| 16:56.16 | thingfish | voraistos: they are essentially the same thing. |
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| 16:56.26 | themill | pipegeek: try the mcrypt package |
| 16:56.31 | pipegeek | thanks. |
| 16:56.36 | murufuluss | themill: can you tell me how to upgrade to 4.0r4? please |
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| 16:56.59 | grendal_prime | alright. I got a ton of debian servers on this network now. Is there a tool i can use to monitor all of thes..like something that executes df remotely so i can get list of hd capacities. |
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| 16:57.13 | flawer | Hi. I dont have a /lib/kernel/build/.config file. What do I do? =) |
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| 16:57.27 | jelly | cyzie: if you're using the gnome build of evince try evince-gtk instead (if it's available in the debian release you have). or xpdf. or even kpdf. |
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| 16:58.41 | cyzie | jelly, okay, thanks. but am not using gnome cause low resources i have. evince is what i need. |
| 16:58.49 | jelly | grendal_prime: set up snmp and a collector of stats like cricket? |
| 16:59.03 | grendal_prime | cricket ok ill look into that. |
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| 16:59.26 | voraistos | thingfish. ok. I thought i saw somewhere they were quite different on the the performance side of things, but with no further explanation :P |
| 16:59.29 | AbortRetryFail | grendal_prime: ssh with private key auth works |
| 16:59.36 | jelly | grendal_prime: there are other options, that's just the first one that comes to mind |
| 16:59.49 | AbortRetryFail | or you can set up something like nagios if you want a reporting and notifications. |
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| 17:00.08 | grendal_prime | right. well ive set up scripts on certain boxes that are being troublesome. |
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| 17:00.17 | murufuluss | hey |
| 17:00.19 | jhambo | Hi folks, when I use kprinter to print I only see one printer. I used to be able to see all the printers on the network. How do I locate networked printers? |
| 17:00.22 | murufuluss | could someone tell me how to go 4.0r4? |
| 17:00.23 | jelly | grendal_prime: keywords are probably going to be monitoring, snmp, rrd (if you like nice graphs) |
| 17:00.25 | pipegeek | themill: hmm. What does passwd actually crypt()? |
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| 17:01.28 | jelly | cyzie: I'm saying even evince is too bloated (it uses gnome libs), so try a lighter alternative |
| 17:01.41 | flawer | could someone upload their /lib/kernel123/build/.config ? |
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| 17:02.17 | thingfish | murufuluss: afaik, doing a dist-upgrade should do it. Not sure if that'll install the new kernel, though - you might have to do that manually. |
| 17:02.37 | murufuluss | thingfish: which sources should i have in sources.list? |
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| 17:02.54 | thingfish | murufuluss: whether it's successful or not depends on whether or not your mirror has the updates yet. |
| 17:03.27 | murufuluss | thingfish: could you provide me with a valid list of sources for etch? |
| 17:03.36 | thingfish | murufuluss: you shouldn't need to change anything in sources.list |
| 17:03.43 | thingfish | no I cannot/will not |
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| 17:04.16 | jelly | cyzie: not even acroread uses 300MB (probably ;-) |
| 17:05.14 | cyzie | that's insane |
| 17:05.20 | jelly | flawer: you have debian's in /boot/config-*; for the current kernel, it's /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 17:05.30 | cyzie | where does the old days 640kb |
| 17:05.55 | flawer | jelly: do I need to copy it to /lib/kernel123/buidl/ ? |
| 17:06.28 | jelly | flawer: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:06.40 | themill | pipegeek: my bad... mcrypt doesn't do what I thought it did so it's not useful for you. You basically just want a wrapper around crypt(3) which you will find in many scripting languages like perl and php. See http://perldoc.perl.org/functions/crypt.html for example |
| 17:06.49 | pipegeek | yeah |
| 17:06.52 | pipegeek | okay, thanks |
| 17:07.16 | flawer | jelly: use 'make' |
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| 17:07.54 | Katty | afternoon |
| 17:07.54 | jelly | flawer: nope, "make" is a generic tool. What are you trying to build? |
| 17:09.09 | flawer | first a driver.. and it didnt work "make[1]: nothing to do for "modules"".. and then ndiswrapper: "some error.. no configuration or something" |
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| 17:09.55 | pipegeek | themill: for the record, 'openssl passwd -1' |
| 17:10.07 | voraistos | you probably need to "make kernel-modules" or something. |
| 17:10.11 | pipegeek | thanks, tho |
| 17:10.12 | pipegeek | tata |
| 17:10.19 | themill | pipegeek: heh... knew it would be somewhere... :) I've only ever done it from scripts. |
| 17:10.27 | voraistos | ./configure --help or similar might tell you more. Or INSTALL.txt :D |
| 17:11.01 | jelly | flawer: those are two different things. Let's try to keep to just one for now. I see from the log you're trying to build rtl8187? |
| 17:11.14 | flawer | yea |
| 17:11.24 | jelly | flawer: have you followed http://rtl-wifi.sf.net/wiki/Installing#Debian.2FUbuntu ? |
| 17:11.36 | flawer | yes |
| 17:11.44 | jelly | flawer: which step is failing? |
| 17:12.00 | abrotman | 1. |
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| 17:12.09 | flawer | make |
| 17:12.22 | flawer | when Im about to build the driver |
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| 17:12.50 | jelly | flawer: "make" is just a command! Which section of the install howto? |
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| 17:13.44 | flawer | when i shuld run the 'make' command. "making and installing the driver" |
| 17:14.05 | jelly | ok. flawer, please paste output of "uname -r" |
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| 17:14.35 | abrotman | -a! |
| 17:14.49 | DukGalNamu | alright.... |
| 17:14.51 | DukGalNamu | The certificate is not trusted because the issuer certificate is unknown. |
| 17:14.57 | jelly | flawer: also, "dpkg -l linux-image-$(uname -r) linux-headers-$(uname -r) | tail -2" |
| 17:15.02 | DukGalNamu | thats what FF3 tells me |
| 17:15.10 | abrotman | so trust it |
| 17:15.11 | flawer | k |
| 17:15.14 | flawer | ill just have to reboot |
| 17:15.16 | flawer | into linux |
| 17:15.18 | jelly | DukGalNamu: that's normal for a self-signed cert |
| 17:15.22 | jelly | oh, ffs |
| 17:15.28 | DukGalNamu | it isn't self signed |
| 17:15.37 | jelly | DukGalNamu: who's it signed by? |
| 17:15.40 | DukGalNamu | godaddy |
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| 17:15.47 | jelly | same dif :-D |
| 17:15.51 | DukGalNamu | ouch |
| 17:15.53 | DukGalNamu | cummon |
| 17:16.05 | DukGalNamu | it should work |
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| 17:17.08 | jelly | DukGalNamu: is the site visible on the internet, what's the url? |
| 17:17.56 | DukGalNamu | blanklabels4less.com |
| 17:19.44 | abrotman | cart checkout? |
| 17:19.48 | jelly | I don't have GoDaddy's CA key in my Konqueror, and it's probably not there in FF3 either |
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| 17:20.45 | mordy | i'm still seeing boxes in emacs, i've done dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:21.19 | voraistos | i still have the same problem with debootstrap: Failure trying to run: chroot /mnt/debinst mount -t proc proc /proc |
| 17:21.39 | jelly | DukGalNamu: I expected it to be a chained CA, but it seems they have their own root. Funnily, iceweasel 2 seems to accept it |
| 17:21.49 | voraistos | this is very annoying, i need to install debian with debian on the same remote machine. |
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| 17:22.09 | DukGalNamu | jelly: so... what are my options then? |
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| 17:22.36 | jelly | voraistos: which debian are you trying to install? what version of debootstrap? |
| 17:23.15 | DukGalNamu | jelly: i got this thing: gd_intermediate_bundle.crt with my cert, not sure what it is for though.... |
| 17:23.18 | voraistos | ultimately i want lenny, but i tried lenny and etch, with deboostrap v1 and 0.3 |
| 17:23.19 | jelly | DukGalNamu: look at the available CAs in firefox3 and buy a cert from one of them, I guess :-| |
| 17:23.40 | DukGalNamu | dangit.... that sucks |
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| 17:24.18 | voraistos | go with verisign. |
| 17:24.20 | jelly | DukGalNamu: oh, you might have to bundle it *(the chain) with your cert for the apache file |
| 17:24.24 | jelly | voraistos: ew. |
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| 17:24.40 | DukGalNamu | jelly: i... don't know how to do that |
| 17:24.44 | jelly | DukGalNamu: did they give you installation instructions? |
| 17:24.49 | stevedondley | ping dondelelcaro |
| 17:24.49 | DukGalNamu | no |
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| 17:24.58 | DukGalNamu | i don't think so |
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| 17:25.46 | DukGalNamu | alright, i figured it out |
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| 17:26.13 | simonrvn | i second that "ew.", but i do s/./!/ instead |
| 17:26.16 | jelly | DukGalNamu: basically you cat all the certs one file, but I'm not sure :-) |
| 17:26.25 | voraistos | lenny please help me. I'm desperate |
| 17:26.44 | simonrvn | !help voraistos |
| 17:26.47 | jelly | voraistos: use a newer debootstrap! |
| 17:26.55 | voraistos | I've use the lates. |
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| 17:27.06 | voraistos | tatest* |
| 17:27.19 | jelly | voraistos: pretend you're not on a debian machine, download the tar.gz of debootstrap and use that |
| 17:27.32 | jelly | voraistos: did you do that? |
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| 17:27.46 | rwaite | grr. no kde 4.1 in lenny? not even a chance? |
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| 17:27.47 | voraistos | hmm i untared the deb at some point |
| 17:27.55 | voraistos | well, un-"ar"ed |
| 17:28.11 | voraistos | but ill try with the tgz |
| 17:28.29 | DukGalNamu | jelly: try it now |
| 17:29.26 | jelly | DukGalNamu: success! at least in Konqueror 3.5.9 |
| 17:29.35 | DukGalNamu | try some other one? |
| 17:29.42 | DukGalNamu | you have FF? |
| 17:29.50 | jelly | no |
| 17:29.54 | jelly | I do have ie6 |
| 17:29.58 | DukGalNamu | wh? |
| 17:30.04 | DukGalNamu | well, try that too :P |
| 17:30.10 | jelly | runs iexplore & |
| 17:30.20 | DukGalNamu | lol |
| 17:30.25 | voraistos | it works in FF3 |
| 17:30.29 | DukGalNamu | cool |
| 17:30.32 | DukGalNamu | \o/ |
| 17:30.49 | DukGalNamu | coo |
| 17:30.53 | jelly | it doesn't complain for https://www.blanklabels4less.com/ |
| 17:30.55 | DukGalNamu | \o/_ |
| 17:31.08 | DukGalNamu | alright, good sign |
| 17:31.33 | jelly | DukGalNamu: now, if you have labels for LTO2 tapes and software to print dual-barcode labels, I might even be interested :-) |
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| 17:32.07 | DukGalNamu | jelly: i can ask the client... |
| 17:32.34 | DukGalNamu | dual barcode labels? |
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| 17:32.59 | jelly | DukGalNamu: some weird format HP tape libraries use |
| 17:33.08 | voraistos | the big, square one ? |
| 17:33.13 | DukGalNamu | lol |
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| 17:33.44 | DukGalNamu | yeah, not sure about the software, but i am sure you could find a label that will fit on the tapes in there |
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| 17:34.35 | jelly | there's a software vendor I know but their licensing scheme is abhorring (cents / printed label) |
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| 17:36.20 | win_user | hi |
| 17:36.33 | Katty | ohai. |
| 17:36.42 | win_user | i'm trying to install debian here |
| 17:36.48 | jelly | Katty: you can has support? |
| 17:36.51 | win_user | but it doesn't seem to work |
| 17:37.04 | Katty | jelly: i can has running system. |
| 17:37.18 | Katty | jelly: ceiling cat has blessed it. |
| 17:37.23 | jelly | Katty: \o/ |
| 17:37.31 | DukGalNamu | u guys.... |
| 17:37.31 | win_user | I tried the installer from http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com |
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| 17:37.59 | DukGalNamu | Katty, jelly: i lol'ed |
| 17:38.05 | DukGalNamu | lawld |
| 17:38.08 | Katty | DukGalNamu: loler. |
| 17:38.18 | DukGalNamu | epic lol! |
| 17:38.29 | Katty | spensive epic lol. |
| 17:38.31 | win_user | I got the tiny installer program and when I execute it I select language and accept GNU license but then it says it cannot connect to http://www.goodbye-microsoft.com/runtime/preseed.cfg |
| 17:38.33 | Katty | those things are 5k gold. |
| 17:38.43 | jelly | DukGalNamu: oh noes! lol be evul here. go #debian-offtopic kthx |
| 17:38.53 | win_user | but with my browser i can access that site |
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| 17:38.58 | DukGalNamu | hahaha, ok ok, i am done |
| 17:38.58 | win_user | any hints? |
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| 17:39.07 | Dan6688\away | win_user: what are you trying to install it on? and why not use a non-FTP install? |
| 17:39.38 | jelly | dey even haev evul factiod |
| 17:39.40 | jelly | !lol |
| 17:39.41 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 17:39.45 | win_user | Dan6688: I'm a noob. I was told, this installer is very easy |
| 17:39.57 | win_user | I'm on a laptopt with intel pentium core two duo |
| 17:39.58 | Lukemob | hello, how comes, when I install a Debian, it asks me to Enter a runlevel? I never got anything like that |
| 17:40.00 | win_user | and win vista |
| 17:40.05 | Dan6688 | win_user: may I pm you? |
| 17:40.19 | DukGalNamu | is lawl ok? |
| 17:40.22 | micols | http://linux.rlogin.org/upload/debug/ any idea why my thick client gets timeouts on the NFS shares including nfsroot ? e1000 in both ends and 100mbit switch in-between (the switch isnt faulty) |
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| 17:40.40 | win_user | Dan6688 you may. |
| 17:41.00 | jelly | DukGalNamu: dey only acceptz heh all subdueded like and synik |
| 17:41.16 | gonzaloaf | hi, why does every time that I reboot my computer the time is unset? |
| 17:41.46 | DukGalNamu | gonzaloaf: either you mobo isn't supported with sw setting |
| 17:41.52 | DukGalNamu | your timezone settings are incorrect |
| 17:42.03 | DukGalNamu | or you need to replace the battery on your mobo |
| 17:42.20 | gonzaloaf | DukGalNamu, I have just re-installed my debian, it was working well before |
| 17:42.25 | DukGalNamu | or your clock is wrong |
| 17:42.41 | DukGalNamu | time.... ur doin it wrong |
| 17:42.58 | Lukemob | anyone knows how that comes, when I install a Debian, it asks me to Enter a runlevel? |
| 17:43.09 | DukGalNamu | gonzaloaf: probably timezone setting is wrong then |
| 17:43.13 | voraistos | try to "soft-mount" the nfs share. i think its called soft mount. |
| 17:43.18 | jelly | departs homeward |
| 17:43.25 | gonzaloaf | DukGalNamu, If I set the clock now, then after a reboot the time is unset |
| 17:43.30 | nareshov | Hi, rhythmbox is skipping/pausing a lot on my debian lenny laptop |
| 17:43.32 | nareshov | any clues? |
| 17:43.46 | mordy | i'm still seeing boxes in emacs, i've done dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:43.52 | DukGalNamu | yeah thats cause the time isn't setting the clock.... |
| 17:43.52 | mordy | any suggestions? |
| 17:43.57 | nareshov | it's a core 2 duo but i chose to install the 32-bit version. |
| 17:44.04 | DukGalNamu | gonzaloaf: do you set it as root? |
| 17:44.11 | DukGalNamu | wait... u have to i think |
| 17:44.13 | mordy | or rather, where can i see my locale settings and the like? |
| 17:44.16 | DukGalNamu | i haven't done it in so long.... |
| 17:44.42 | DukGalNamu | just setup ntp.... |
| 17:44.49 | gonzaloaf | nop I'm doing it from the gnome graphical tool |
| 17:45.12 | DukGalNamu | ok, there you go, set it as root from the CLI and see if you still have the problem |
| 17:45.27 | voraistos | nareshov rythmbox always sucked a lot. maybe it simply is continuing in that fashion. |
| 17:46.06 | voraistos | I'm amazed it ever made it into "testing" :D |
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| 17:46.38 | DukGalNamu | i am gonna catch lunch and shit, peace out |
| 17:46.44 | nareshov | voraistos: rhythmbox has worked fine on gentoo, I face the problem only here. |
| 17:47.13 | voraistos | get the gentoo sources and compile them :D |
| 17:47.24 | nareshov | ;l |
| 17:47.42 | DukGalNamu | nareshov: install gentoo |
| 17:47.46 | DukGalNamu | *ducks* |
| 17:48.08 | jeffwheeler | apt probably finds it ;) |
| 17:48.20 | jeffwheeler | (you may need to add additional, untrusted sources) |
| 17:48.46 | voraistos | is rythmbox part of gnome ? |
| 17:49.20 | DukGalNamu | is bash part of the kernel? |
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| 17:49.28 | jeffwheeler | DukGalNamu: no |
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| 17:49.36 | rdz | hi all. i am a rsnapshot user and i would like to move my backup to a bigger disk. since rsnapshot creates hardlinks whenever possible, how can i copy all my backups to the new disk while keeping the same hardlink structure? |
| 17:49.40 | jelly | nareshov: Re: skipping, which kernel are you running? 2.6.25? |
| 17:49.45 | nareshov | jelly: yes |
| 17:49.48 | jeffwheeler | DukGalNamu: that was a joke that I completely missed |
| 17:49.48 | jelly | hah! |
| 17:49.49 | nareshov | voraistos: yes |
| 17:49.58 | nareshov | o.o |
| 17:50.08 | DukGalNamu | hehe |
| 17:50.14 | jeffwheeler | :P |
| 17:50.21 | DukGalNamu | i almost lawled... but i kept it in for you jeffwheeler |
| 17:50.25 | DukGalNamu | oops, i mean jelly |
| 17:50.25 | jeffwheeler | Thanks. :) |
| 17:50.41 | DukGalNamu | anywho, lunch time for me... |
| 17:51.00 | voraistos | anything can be part of the kernel. even a web server :D |
| 17:51.04 | timnik | rdz, as far as I know tar and rsync both have support for coping hard links as hard links, but I could be mistaken. |
| 17:51.24 | rdz | timnik, thanks |
| 17:51.29 | rdz | i'll check that |
| 17:51.30 | jelly | nareshov: try an older kernel. 2.6.25 compiled with debian's cpu scheduler settings (CONFIG_USER_SCHED vs. CONFIG_CGROUP_SCHED) seems to have problems. Made my Amarok skip too. |
| 17:51.35 | voraistos | anyway, rythmbox/gnome could have an apt repo, so you could add this to your source.list |
| 17:51.55 | jelly | nareshov: went away after I installed own 2.6.26 |
| 17:51.58 | voraistos | ooooh |
| 17:52.07 | nareshov | jelly: how do you install 2.6.26? |
| 17:52.26 | jelly | nareshov: got it from kernel.org, built and installed :-| |
| 17:52.43 | nareshov | ow ;l |
| 17:52.57 | voraistos | vanilla's the best flavor :D |
| 17:53.03 | jelly | nareshov: you could also try going back to 2.6.24. I'm not sure whether it worked well or not |
| 17:53.33 | jelly | voraistos: yeah, but distro ones are almost always good enough |
| 17:53.45 | nareshov | hm |
| 17:54.14 | jelly | nareshov: eg. 2.6.24 from etch-and-a-half will be supported for a while. |
| 17:54.51 | jelly | but, as I say, it might exhibit the same symptoms |
| 17:55.10 | nareshov | it's annoying ;l |
| 17:55.12 | gribozavr | hi! i just did a fresh lenny install and i see that X started to use some fancy cursors. i checked various GUI tools, but they don't offer those default-standard-plain X cursors... i feel like the cursor theme is related with /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme, but don't know what to set it to. |
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| 17:55.57 | keith4 | is there any dyn-dns sort of server packaged for debian? I want to run my own dyn-dns service |
| 17:56.07 | jelly | gribozavr: update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme |
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| 17:56.56 | abrotman | keith4: IIRC bind can do that already |
| 17:57.15 | keith4 | really? |
| 17:57.30 | keith4 | i knew it could tie in with dhcp, using ddns.. |
| 17:58.01 | gribozavr | jelly: DMZ-Black isn't plain X cursors i've got on desktop |
| 17:58.32 | jelly | gribozavr: "core" probably is. Or just restart X and have all the apps use the fancy new ones |
| 17:58.53 | gribozavr | jelly: on my desktop running lenny, x-cursor-theme points to a non-existent file /usr/share/themes/Industrial/cursor.theme |
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| 17:59.22 | jelly | !find /usr/share/icons/Industrial/cursor.theme lenny |
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| 18:00.15 | jelly | the package seems to be called "industrial-cursor-theme" here |
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| 18:00.46 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of '/usr/share/icons/Industrial/cursor.theme' returned no results. |
| 18:01.04 | gribozavr | jelly: i can't find see such package... |
| 18:01.22 | micols | http://linux.rlogin.org/upload/debug/ any idea why my thick client gets timeouts on the NFS shares including nfsroot ? e1000 in both ends and 100mbit switch in-between (the switch isnt faulty) |
| 18:01.24 | abrotman | !find usr/share/icons/Industrial/cursor.theme lenny |
| 18:01.31 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'usr/share/icons/Industrial/cursor.theme' returned no results. |
| 18:01.34 | jelly | gribozavr: hmph, it's a local one, seems it disappeared from the archive |
| 18:01.37 | abrotman | oh well |
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| 18:02.43 | gribozavr | jelly: probably... unfortunately. i'll try a dirty hack: ln -s x-cursor-theme to some non-exitent file... |
| 18:03.09 | jelly | gribozavr: you don't have /etc/X11/cursors/core.theme option? |
| 18:03.13 | jerrcs | hey all, i've got a little problem.. i have a production server thats been rock solid for some time now, although pages are loading slow on some parts of the site. i've went through the check list and i think the only thing i can do is run a fsck to check the filesystem. |
| 18:03.38 | jerrcs | i'm running a fsck under the current debian etch install at runtime, with the -n flag so it wont write.. is there anything i can do to fix the problems w/o rebooting? |
| 18:04.03 | jelly | jerrcs: what symptoms did you find to think a fsck is in order? |
| 18:04.06 | jerrcs | it's reporting a lot of errors/mismatches etc... i just can't take the server offline though |
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| 18:04.15 | gribozavr | jelly: no such option |
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| 18:04.23 | Tenkawa | ok.. stupid question time |
| 18:04.27 | Lukemob | " hello, how comes, when I install a Debian, it asks me to Enter a runlevel? I never got anything like that " |
| 18:04.28 | Tenkawa | for an Athlon X-2 should I be running the -686 or -amd64 kernel? |
| 18:04.34 | Tenkawa | both work but I'm not sure if I'm gaining/losing anything with either |
| 18:04.35 | abrotman | -amd64 |
| 18:04.38 | Tenkawa | both work but I'm not sure if I'm gaining/losing anything with either |
| 18:04.41 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 18:04.41 | jelly | gribozavr: xcursor-themes |
| 18:04.41 | abrotman | oh .. you can run either |
| 18:04.47 | jerrcs | jelly: well, for instance, parts of my website loaded extremely slow.. i switched webservers (apache to lighttpd, others too) a few times, went from cache to no cache, and also... mysql is not lagging |
| 18:04.52 | nareshov | the skipping is so bad that the audio/video go out of sync while playing a 720p h264 vid on mplayer >_> |
| 18:04.57 | jerrcs | jelly: the cpu isnt overloaded either.. our loads are low |
| 18:05.02 | Tenkawa | abrotman: yeah..just wasnt sure which one was the most appopriate |
| 18:05.06 | Tenkawa | 32 bit userland |
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| 18:05.22 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 18:05.25 | jelly | jerrcs: where do you see those errors/mismatches? pastebin the relevant logs |
| 18:05.27 | abrotman | either works just as well as the other in most cases |
| 18:05.27 | jerrcs | and the funny thing is sometimes the site would load instantly, sometimes hang.. it isnt a network problem since i've checked from multiple locations, and the PHP pages load quick |
| 18:05.36 | Tenkawa | abrotman: ok. kinda what I figured |
| 18:05.41 | jerrcs | jelly: Sure, I'll paste what I have so far. |
| 18:05.58 | Tenkawa | both of them have lost any knowledge of my cpu being svm capable unfortunately but oh well |
| 18:06.01 | gribozavr | jelly: thanks a lot! just what i need |
| 18:06.02 | jerrcs | jelly: http://pastebin.ca/1086306 |
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| 18:06.06 | Tenkawa | seem to coincide with a 4 gig ram upgrade |
| 18:06.06 | abrotman | Tenkawa: be aware that somethings may not work correctly on 64bit kernels .. but in general you should be okay |
| 18:06.08 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 18:06.15 | jelly | jerrcs: it could point to a unrelated hw error (eg. bad memory can cause fs corruption as well) |
| 18:06.31 | Tenkawa | yeah.. its a headless server so I shouldnt run into that "too" much |
| 18:06.33 | cr3rzemjest | xterm hangs up aptitude gui after installation, so i installed aterm. however, it cannot display apostrophes, so instead of '*' there are weird characters... what do i do? |
| 18:06.43 | jerrcs | jelly: perhaps, but I would hope this is a filesystem error.. I don't want any downtime :/ |
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| 18:07.24 | Tenkawa | java was the one concern I had and it seems to be fine |
| 18:07.49 | jelly | jerrcs: so prepare a spare server, rsync all the users, stop the prod.one, rsync one last time, and if the prod. one fails, you can switch them |
| 18:08.28 | jelly | expects to hear "we have no spare hardware" for some reason |
| 18:08.47 | Tenkawa | abrotman: sad part is I couldnt convince myself to upgrade to a Q9450 |
| 18:08.52 | abrotman | sad? |
| 18:08.52 | Tenkawa | isnt that sad |
| 18:08.57 | Tenkawa | heheh |
| 18:09.11 | Tenkawa | an old x-2 just needed more ram |
| 18:09.12 | abrotman | not like an X2 is anything to sneeze at |
| 18:09.18 | Tenkawa | true enough |
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| 18:09.41 | jerrcs | jelly: Very true, I do have an extra server, but it's hardware doesn't match to my current setup.. and would be unable to host the sites |
| 18:09.42 | rwaite | has anyone tried installing kde 4.1 from experimental? |
| 18:09.50 | abrotman | rwaite: #debian-kde |
| 18:09.57 | Tenkawa | this was the only thing that sucks with the amd64 kernel I'm running |
| 18:09.57 | Tenkawa | [ 0.004000] Your BIOS doesn't leave a aperture memory hole |
| 18:09.57 | Tenkawa | [ 0.004000] Please enable the IOMMU option in the BIOS setup |
| 18:09.57 | Tenkawa | [ 0.004000] This costs you 64 MB of RAM |
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| 18:10.07 | Tenkawa | oops |
| 18:10.11 | Tenkawa | one too many lines |
| 18:10.19 | abrotman | eh .. that kind of sucks |
| 18:10.26 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 18:10.32 | Tenkawa | I lose 64 meg of ram... oh well |
| 18:10.34 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 18:10.51 | jelly | jerrcs: well then, schedule/announce downtime and hope for the best! :-) |
| 18:11.01 | Tenkawa | I should probably just build my own kpkg anyway |
| 18:11.19 | jelly | jerrcs: I'd do at least a short run of memtest86+ before fsck though |
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| 18:11.32 | jerrcs | jelly: Memtest86+ can run within the server at runtime, correctb? |
| 18:11.40 | jelly | jerrcs: no, you boot into it |
| 18:11.42 | Tenkawa | dayam javac flies on this box |
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| 18:12.15 | jerrcs | damn. well, here's another problem :p my server is on the other side of the country. i don't have an ipkvm either |
| 18:13.20 | jelly | jerrcs: no lights-out management of any sort? serial console over ssh or web, that kind of thing? |
| 18:13.32 | Katty | oh. |
| 18:13.37 | Katty | lights-out management |
| 18:13.39 | jelly | jerrcs: next time buy better hardware |
| 18:13.42 | Katty | so that's what they're claling it these days |
| 18:13.56 | Tenkawa | abrotman: thanks for the info.. |
| 18:13.58 | Tenkawa | cheers all |
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| 18:14.07 | jerrcs | jelly: not quite. I could get my provider to fix stuff, and I don't colo. the hardware has worked pretty well, and I just rent. |
| 18:14.09 | jelly | Katty: usually includes remote power, booting via remote media etc |
| 18:14.17 | Katty | jelly: yes yes, i know all about it. |
| 18:14.40 | jelly | Katty: what was it called in ye olde days before the floods? |
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| 18:14.49 | Katty | jelly: my job. |
| 18:15.06 | jelly | teehee, datacenter monkey |
| 18:15.17 | Katty | jelly: remote support? |
| 18:15.18 | Katty | i dunno |
| 18:15.34 | Katty | we do vpn |
| 18:15.36 | Katty | with ssh and vnc |
| 18:15.37 | jelly | there's also his pal, tape ape |
| 18:15.46 | Katty | and some ftp over ssh |
| 18:15.52 | Katty | well not really ftp |
| 18:15.56 | Katty | ssh tunneling i guess |
| 18:15.57 | jean | does anyone has experience with a quad head ati firemv 2400? I am having a problem with configuring xorg.cnf to work this card and three monitors. |
| 18:16.19 | jelly | jean: I wish I had the hardware to have your problem. |
| 18:16.54 | Dan6688 | haha |
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| 18:18.33 | bAndie9100 | hi folks |
| 18:18.54 | bAndie9100 | can u help me in nfs? |
| 18:19.48 | rwaite | #debian-nfs |
| 18:19.50 | jelly | jerrcs: $employer used to have remotely-unmaintainable machines... in the long run, it was more costly to have extra people than to buy decent hardware. So the hw is now standardized to $brand rack servers with all the goodies, and we can reboot and look at the console from basically anywhere |
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| 18:20.41 | jelly | jerrcs: if your / is clean, I guess you could be able to umount and fsck it all |
| 18:21.10 | jelly | jerrcs: but that kind of game usually ends with a visit to the datacenter |
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| 18:21.59 | cognitiaclaeves | apt is telling me that I have unmet dependencies (mail transport agent) for at. At runs happily with a hacked up version of SSMTP. How can I tell dpkg/apt that everything is ok? |
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| 18:22.41 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: /msg dpkg equivs, and make a fake "mail-transport-agent" package |
| 18:23.09 | jhanssen | abrotman issue with modules solved... |
| 18:23.12 | SerajewelKS | what is a good SIP client in debian? ekiga looks nice but freezes too frequently to be useful. |
| 18:23.22 | Katty | SerajewelKS: ZoIPer |
| 18:23.25 | Katty | SerajewelKS: sjphone |
| 18:23.32 | Katty | SerajewelKS: and iaxcomm is okay too |
| 18:23.47 | jhanssen | there was a kernel fault that was let able the kernel to automatically load modules on startup |
| 18:24.00 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: if your ssmtp is present as /usr/sbin/sendmail, things should "just work" with it |
| 18:24.16 | SerajewelKS | Katty: zoiper is not in debian |
| 18:24.28 | SerajewelKS | neither is sj |
| 18:24.44 | Katty | SerajewelKS: well then i guess you'll just have to compile it like everyone else (= |
| 18:25.30 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly, I created a soft link to the app as sendmail. Things do work, except for apt. |
| 18:25.45 | jelly | yeah, equivs will take care of that |
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| 18:26.01 | SerajewelKS | Katty: i'm still not sure exactly how any of what you said answers my question |
| 18:26.20 | SerajewelKS | well iaxcomm is in debian, but the others are not |
| 18:26.21 | mbroeker | SerajewelKS, kphone works nice |
| 18:26.31 | Katty | SerajewelKS: you will need to COMPILE zoiper |
| 18:26.35 | cognitiaclaeves | right now apt won't run without apt-get -f install, which I think will uninstall mailx and at, which I don't want. Is there an override? |
| 18:26.35 | Katty | SerajewelKS: from the tarball. |
| 18:26.37 | Katty | SerajewelKS: ya know? |
| 18:26.40 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: apt wants its dependencies all straightened out and clean before doing anything, you might have to download equivs manually |
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| 18:26.50 | SerajewelKS | Katty: i know how to compile shit. but apparently you did not read my question thoroughly enough. |
| 18:26.55 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly, you are fast... |
| 18:27.14 | Katty | SerajewelKS: you asked for a sip client that works on debian, yes? |
| 18:27.14 | cognitiaclaeves | ... or psychic, I can't tell which. |
| 18:27.19 | SerajewelKS | Katty: no |
| 18:27.28 | SerajewelKS | Katty: i asked for one in debian. that means a debian-provided package. |
| 18:27.29 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: or you're just predictable! |
| 18:27.46 | Katty | SerajewelKS: way to limit yourself. |
| 18:27.46 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly, ouch. thanks a lot... lol |
| 18:27.48 | jerrcs | jelly: I will look into this, thanksa bunch :) |
| 18:27.49 | Katty | SerajewelKS: good luck. |
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| 18:28.18 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: go thru packages.debian.org or maybe "apt-get -s --print-uris install equivs" will print an url you can wget |
| 18:28.56 | SerajewelKS | Katty: yeah i know, we should all be compiling everything we use from source... |
| 18:29.35 | jelly | SerajewelKS: "everything"? |
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| 18:29.50 | SerajewelKS | jelly: hyperbole |
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| 18:30.06 | cognitiaclaeves | apt is really fussy.. it doesn't even want to give that to me... |
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| 18:30.33 | SerajewelKS | i don't take too kindly to people who try to disguise their misreading of my question by attacking the question itself |
| 18:30.35 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: so, browsing the web it is, start at http://packages.debian.org/equivs maybe |
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| 18:30.41 | helo_ | if i'm sshing into a through ssh into another box, each time doing ssh -X, i should be able to use X apps across the two hops, right? |
| 18:31.25 | helo_ | do i need to have any xorg libs installed on the intermediate machine? |
| 18:31.31 | jelly | SerajewelKS: I don't attribute to malice what can be explained by stupidity. :-> |
| 18:31.54 | jelly | like, perhaps someone was trying to be helpful |
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| 18:32.54 | SerajewelKS | jelly: the response "way to limit yourself" does not appear to be either stupidity or helpfulness |
| 18:33.03 | SerajewelKS | shrugs |
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| 18:33.23 | Zeroyez | is there any possible way to get rar files to work in debian without having to extract them in windows |
| 18:33.43 | helo_ | is there a program that can use timing of network transmission to predict what keys someone is typing? i'm not trying to be malicious, i just noticed that as i'm typing here, the lights on my lan are blinking in perfect sync with my keypresses :) |
| 18:33.46 | vasco | hello do you know if it s possible to pass in argument of my ssh command how to execute a command on the remote host? |
| 18:33.46 | rahul | why would you need to extract windows warez in linux? |
| 18:33.48 | jelly | Zeroyez: "/msg dpkg non-free", then install rar |
| 18:34.07 | helo_ | wine? |
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| 18:34.20 | jelly | Zeroyez: it's shareware like in windows, you might or might not want to use it, based on it |
| 18:34.21 | rahul | helo_: it's hard to predict which keys are actually pressed just by the timing |
| 18:34.27 | vasco | i want to execute a another ssh command by a command ssh |
| 18:34.34 | Zeroyez | oh cool |
| 18:35.12 | jelly | Zeroyez: there's also a free unrar but it doesn't work with warez rars compressed with funny parameters |
| 18:35.24 | helo_ | i wonder if some good bayesian reasoning and a lot of training would make it possible for an individual |
| 18:36.19 | abrotman | helo_: google .. they proved they could possibly time the keystrokes with your password |
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| 18:36.33 | helo_ | it would be pretty hard to figure out what password somenoe was typing, but i bet the gist of conversations could be revealed |
| 18:36.58 | Zeroyez | well, i installed rar but every time i open a RAR file it shows it as empty |
| 18:37.06 | Zeroyez | or lists it, but doesn't extract it |
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| 18:37.12 | jelly | rahul: rar works much better than bzip2 for some data (notably some sorts of text files), at least comparable in size and almost always faster |
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| 18:37.44 | jelly | Zeroyez: "open" a rar file? rar x -v foo.rar doesn't work? |
| 18:37.56 | helo_ | that would be a hella fun project... gather data about how different typists type different sequences of letters |
| 18:38.01 | ttl- | hi |
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| 18:38.33 | Zeroyez | oh i need to uninstall rarlab's rar first |
| 18:38.41 | rahul | jelly: and compared to gzip? |
| 18:38.43 | Zeroyez | which i don't know how... |
| 18:38.46 | kshah | can i get a recommendation for a mailserver thats easy to setup for IMAP |
| 18:38.53 | abrotman | postfix or exim |
| 18:38.56 | rahul | jelly: bzip2 wasn't intended for text |
| 18:38.56 | Lukemob | ello, how comes, when I install a Debian, it asks me to Enter a runlevel? I never got anything like that |
| 18:38.57 | helo_ | anyone know why my DISPLAY isn't being set when i ssh -X from lenny to etch? |
| 18:39.05 | Lukemob | :/ |
| 18:39.16 | jelly | Zeroyez: the package is the same rarlab thing, just in a bit different place and possibly an lder version |
| 18:39.16 | Lukemob | im mad about this message, even if I reinstall I get it |
| 18:39.20 | ttl- | is there a tool that can reduce the size of a .pdf file ? |
| 18:39.21 | rahul | jelly: that was one of the first things they said when introducing the format, as I recall it |
| 18:39.24 | kshah | i was recomended qmail but have heard that is difficult |
| 18:39.26 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly, I'm not too comfortable with the dependencies of debhelper, a dependency of equivs. Is there a way to just smack apt and tell it that I am aware of the situation and to get over it? |
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| 18:39.28 | abrotman | ttl-: zip ? |
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| 18:39.40 | rahul | ttl-: not really... you can bzip2, but then you'll need to bunzip2 on the other end |
| 18:39.41 | lrp | hola denuevo |
| 18:39.45 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: install debhelper, it won't hurt you. |
| 18:39.46 | abrotman | kshah: postfix or exim .. postfix is pretty easy |
| 18:39.49 | rahul | ttl-: a ps.gz is typically smaller than a pdf |
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| 18:39.52 | ttl- | abrotman: it should stay PDF format |
| 18:40.01 | abrotman | kshah: some of this also depends on the IMAP server you choose |
| 18:40.03 | rahul | ttl-: pdf is pdf is pdf |
| 18:40.06 | cognitiaclaeves | what is po-debconf and html2text? |
| 18:40.06 | abrotman | is pdf? |
| 18:40.14 | ttl- | abrotman: loosing some of it's quality of course |
| 18:40.21 | kshah | abrotman: dovecot? |
| 18:40.24 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: you could build a fake package manually, but you'd still need approximately the same set of tools that equivs brings in |
| 18:40.26 | ttl- | hmm |
| 18:40.27 | abrotman | ttl-: are the PDFs basicaly just images ? |
| 18:40.37 | rahul | ttl-: pdf has no "quality" |
| 18:40.44 | rahul | ttl-: it is a series of commands |
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| 18:40.52 | ttl- | yeah |
| 18:40.53 | ttl- | ok |
| 18:41.02 | abrotman | kshah: google "setup postfix maildir" .. it's basically one line in the conf file (for simple usage) |
| 18:41.04 | rahul | ttl-: that's like asking for lossy compression of an executable file |
| 18:41.06 | pipegeek | howdy |
| 18:41.10 | ttl- | it's to big to upload to a federal website an i need it to be smaller |
| 18:41.15 | rahul | heh |
| 18:41.15 | ttl- | but still readable |
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| 18:41.31 | ttl- | it's made from a scan i think |
| 18:41.34 | rahul | ttl-: what apps did you use to make the pdf? |
| 18:41.38 | ttl- | so it wil be images |
| 18:41.49 | rahul | ttl-: why not upload a jpeg instead? |
| 18:41.51 | abrotman | some tools to create PDFs have a low quality setting ? |
| 18:41.52 | ttl- | rahul: i did not make it |
| 18:41.55 | pipegeek | given a set of packages, is there any way to look up the entire dependency tree for which said packages are the leaves? To find out which packages pulled them in, and which packages pulled *those* in, etc? |
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| 18:42.07 | themill | rahul: images within a PDF can be compressed with either lossy or lossless compression. Text can also be compressed or not. |
| 18:42.12 | ttl- | rahul: otherwise i could reduce scan resolution and color depth |
| 18:42.21 | jerrcs | jelly: Isn't it possible to remount the filesystem read only for a few minutes, run fsck, then remount readwrite? |
| 18:42.33 | Zeroyez | k i removed the old rarlabs rar but when i type rar I still get bash: /usr/local/bin/rar: No such file or directory |
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| 18:42.38 | peppe | themill: vector stuff too, AFAIK |
| 18:42.39 | rahul | themill: well, text is usually always compressed unless it's form data |
| 18:42.39 | jelly | jerrcs: you can't fsck a mounted image, even ro |
| 18:42.54 | jerrcs | thanks :) |
| 18:43.16 | rahul | themill: either way, you can't change the compression technique... unless it's just images, in which case, pdf is just useless overhead |
| 18:43.28 | Zeroyez | meh, i'll just reinstall debian |
| 18:43.28 | ttl- | so is there a program that can reduce the size of images in a pdf file ? |
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| 18:43.39 | rahul | ttl-: probably nothing simple |
| 18:43.40 | jelly | jerrcs: in-memory kernel structures would differ from disk state, resulting in more nastiness |
| 18:43.41 | abrotman | kshah: home_mailbox = Maildir/ |
| 18:43.47 | rahul | ttl-: #lisp might be able to hack one up in a weekend |
| 18:43.58 | rahul | (if anyone cares to do it) |
| 18:44.05 | helo_ | ahh, i need xauth installed on the intermediate machine |
| 18:44.07 | jerrcs | jelly: sounds like a mess, but again I hate to take down servers. I'll see what I can do about putting the site on a temporary server :P |
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| 18:44.10 | ttl- | rahul: ok |
| 18:44.20 | themill | rahul: pdftk compress / uncompress will change the text compression. Images compression is changeable with adobe's tools but I don't know of anything in debian to do it |
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| 18:44.31 | jelly | jerrcs: people complain less when downtime is scheduled. |
| 18:44.37 | rahul | themill: change it to/from what? |
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| 18:44.54 | ttl- | maybe i could use gimp te extract an image from it and create a new pdf from it |
| 18:44.59 | rahul | heh |
| 18:45.02 | rahul | I guess you could |
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| 18:45.28 | rahul | reducing depth/resolution will probably do more for you than changing compression techniques |
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| 18:45.43 | ttl- | rahul: yeah i know |
| 18:45.44 | themill | rahul: adobe's tools can change the images from jpeg to zip compression (and vv). You can also change the jpeg quality and reduce the resolution of the images (say to 150dpi). Also changing the image depth is possible with adobe's tools. |
| 18:45.48 | peppe | rahul: compressed (jpeg, jpeg2000, etc.) to MORE compressed lossy / changing depth resolution / to lossless |
| 18:45.59 | helo_ | what parts of xorg do i need installed on the remote machine to run apps through x11 forwarding? |
| 18:46.12 | ttl- | hates adobe shit |
| 18:46.14 | rgr | Can synaptic show me a list of updates from the past while? |
| 18:46.14 | ttl- | lol |
| 18:46.21 | rahul | themill: I was more interested in text compression |
| 18:46.26 | Zeroyez | RAR 3.70 beta 1...Extracting from /tmp/....rar....No files to extract |
| 18:46.26 | abrotman | rgr: you can look at the log files in /var/log/ |
| 18:46.33 | peppe | rgr: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 18:46.36 | Zeroyez | clearly RAR fails and I need a better one |
| 18:46.42 | jelly | Zeroyez: ask the rar authors. |
| 18:46.59 | Zeroyez | back to burning CDs in windows |
| 18:47.01 | themill | rahul: nfc. man pdftk is all I can tell you (It only can only compress/uncompress -- there are no compression options for the text that I know of) |
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| 18:47.09 | rahul | themill: ok |
| 18:47.17 | rahul | themill: I think it's just zip compression |
| 18:47.26 | jelly | Zeroyez: won't get much help with binary-only shareware here |
| 18:47.36 | themill | rahul: I believe so |
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| 18:48.01 | peppe | rahul: nope, also LZW is used |
| 18:48.16 | peppe | (for text and vector operators, I mean) |
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| 18:48.24 | Zeroyez | ok, how can I install glibc2.4 |
| 18:48.25 | peppe | for images zip, jpeg, jpeg2000 and others |
| 18:48.45 | Zeroyez | least then I can install rar 3.8 which should support newer rar files |
| 18:49.25 | rahul | peppe: ah, I knew it was one of the LZ* algos |
| 18:49.28 | helo_ | hmm... anyone know why all of the graphics in the pages i load, and the icons on the control bar in epiphany are garbled combinations of various incorrect icon files when i run it through x11 forwarding? |
| 18:49.33 | ttl- | lets see what pdftk can do |
| 18:50.42 | Repossessed | Is there anything special you ahve to do to mount a fat32 hard drive? |
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| 18:51.40 | themill | ttl-: if this PDF is all scanned images already, then you can just extract the images and then rebuild the pdf |
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| 18:51.58 | AlterTone | hi, in order to install 4.1 on lenny i still have to rely on the experimental repo ? |
| 18:52.00 | AlterTone | kde 4.1 |
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| 18:52.03 | ma3x | wtf is this : CPU0 attaching NULL sched-domain. CPU1 attaching NULL sched-domain. CPU0 attaching sched-domain: domain 0: span 03 groups: 01 02 ............ |
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| 18:53.14 | jelly | ma3x: did you try to google it? |
| 18:53.27 | peppe | ma3x: don't care (scheduler domains). google for more info |
| 18:53.35 | dwhite | I'm having difficulty finding documentation about certain statements from the /etc/network/interfaces file. In particular the 'bridge_*' statements. 'man 5 interfaces' has no mention of them. Anyone here familiar with them? |
| 18:54.08 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly, I think I have equiv |
| 18:54.10 | ma3x | jelly: yeah it says the linux mailing kernel archive or somethign |
| 18:54.18 | jelly | dwhite: cleverly hidden in man 5 bridge-utils-interfaces\ |
| 18:54.24 | ma3x | is that part of a package? |
| 18:54.27 | cognitiaclaeves | installed and dependencies,etc... is there a faq for building fake mail? |
| 18:54.28 | ma3x | or part of the kernel |
| 18:54.42 | jelly | ma3x: where did you read it? |
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| 18:54.49 | ma3x | lkml.org |
| 18:54.59 | ma3x | jelly: those messages you mean? |
| 18:55.00 | ma3x | in dmesg |
| 18:55.11 | jelly | ma3x: and what does "dmesg" do? |
| 18:55.15 | dwhite | jelly, no such man page found. apropos doesn't find anything similar. |
| 18:55.21 | dwhite | jelly, Debian etch. |
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| 18:55.46 | jelly | dwhite: bridge-utils not installed? |
| 18:56.18 | dwhite | jelly, yes, they're installed. I'll see if I can find that man page at google. thx. |
| 18:56.23 | abrotman | wonders if dondelelcaro is at his desk |
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| 18:56.48 | peppe | cognitiaclaeves: do you know that spoofing the sender is illegal in many countries? |
| 18:57.07 | dwhite | jelly, bingo. |
| 18:57.16 | jelly | dwhite: huh, bridge-utils in etch really doesn't have that manpage. |
| 18:57.19 | Repossessed | anybody ever ehar of a program that will handle old .mix image files? |
| 18:57.24 | cognitiaclaeves | lol, spoofing the sender? It's only on the internal network... |
| 18:57.37 | ma3x | jelly: it lists those damn messages i just pasted! |
| 18:58.01 | jelly | ma3x: what is it used for? Where do those messages come from? |
| 18:58.26 | ma3x | jelly: how do i know they appear in dmesg |
| 18:58.34 | cognitiaclaeves | peppe: It's all legit. I just don't want to install a full-blown MTA to get mail off to the corporate STMP server that is managed by IT. |
| 18:58.38 | jelly | ma3x: RTFM |
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| 18:58.47 | AlterTone | guys anyone with some kde 4.1 know how? |
| 18:58.49 | ma3x | jelly: WHAT FUCKING MANUAL?\ |
| 18:59.00 | AlterTone | is it possible to have them installed side by side in lenny ? |
| 18:59.06 | jelly | ma3x: which command were we discussing, again? |
| 18:59.21 | ma3x | jelly: did you just wake up? |
| 18:59.22 | iKs | Hi guys, |
| 18:59.26 | ma3x | jelly http://paste.debian.net/13347/ |
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| 18:59.58 | ma3x | those lines appear in dmesg, I am not running a command or anything. they simply are there and I'm trying to find what's causing them |
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| 19:00.02 | iKs | I'm kinda new to Debian as I just installed it yesterday. I've been using Ubuntu for a long time though. I installed Debian so I can have more control over my OS and also to use, if possible exclusively free software. |
| 19:00.08 | jelly | ma3x: dmesg is a command. |
| 19:00.13 | peppe | ma3x: your own kernel that tries to manage your smp box |
| 19:00.20 | janK2 | iKs: welcome aboard :) |
| 19:00.22 | Dan6688\away | iKs: way to go |
| 19:00.26 | iKs | Anyway now I'm trying to get sound and... it doesn't work correctly (it didn't either on Ubuntu) |
| 19:00.31 | cognitiaclaeves | I never understand people that come on IRC and then treat the people that help badly... |
| 19:00.43 | janK2 | iKs: onboard chip or pci soundcard? |
| 19:00.43 | ma3x | jelly: well whatever i told you they appear in dmesg |
| 19:00.51 | iKs | Basically I get sound on the headphone jack, front, center and surround (I use an Alienware Laptop) |
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| 19:01.00 | iKs | jaHum, not sure |
| 19:01.06 | iKs | anyway I found that topic : |
| 19:01.09 | jelly | ma3x: so which TFM should you R to find out where do the message come from? |
| 19:01.10 | iKs | (just a min) |
| 19:01.32 | iKs | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616845 |
| 19:01.39 | iKs | which describes exactly my problem |
| 19:01.46 | janK2 | goes to look |
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| 19:02.08 | iKs | I have ALC885 apparently |
| 19:02.22 | iKs | I tried basically every option that was there and none is 'perfect' |
| 19:02.50 | Lycurgus | i presume iceape and iceweasel are debian specific. Is it me or are they crash prone? |
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| 19:02.57 | iKs | arima and targa are the best one... |
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| 19:03.27 | janK2 | iKs: and the 3stack version is working with the disadvantage that some speakers dont work? |
| 19:03.28 | iKs | arima: I get sound from speakers, front, center, surround but none from headphone and pluging in the headphone on front doesn't cut the sound from the speakers |
| 19:03.41 | iKs | janK2: hum. |
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| 19:03.49 | iKs | janK2: let me first tell you what I have : |
| 19:04.11 | jelly | ma3x: all the messages in /var/log/dmesg, or output by the "dmesg" command, are read from the kernel message ring buffer. All of those are messages from the kernel. |
| 19:04.44 | iKs | janK2: 2 'front' speakers + 1 'surround' (I think) under the laptop; 3 jacks (front, center and surround) + 2 jacks (headphone and mic); 1 front mic |
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| 19:04.57 | iKs | + 1 optical audio thing :D |
| 19:05.10 | iKs | janK2: was I celar enough ? |
| 19:05.13 | iKs | clear* |
| 19:06.22 | ErikRose | Can anybody recommend a good tool for graphing out package dependencies in Graphviz or whatever? |
| 19:06.23 | dcnoye | I too would like to know that ErikRose |
| 19:06.23 | voraistos | Setting up openssh-server (1:4.7p1-12) ... |
| 19:06.23 | voraistos | Creating SSH2 RSA key; this may take some time ...PRNG is not seeded |
| 19:06.23 | voraistos | dpkg: error processing openssh-server (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 |
| 19:06.23 | dpkg | That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 19:06.23 | voraistos | i need ssh |
| 19:06.23 | voraistos | really :D |
| 19:06.23 | ErikRose | looks at debtree. |
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| 19:06.23 | jelly | ma3x: "apropos dmesg" would have pointed you in the right direction. Even "locate dmesg" would have shown you there was a man page |
| 19:06.24 | janK2 | iKs: yes i think thats enough information so somebody with a clue can take over. cause i never used such a card. maybe one more thing: what "lspci | grep sound" say? |
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| 19:06.37 | iKs | janK2: nothing |
| 19:06.39 | peppe | iKs: unfortunately there is no easy solution --- you should keep your your kernel and alsa at the very latest version and try all possibile model= for your own model |
| 19:06.40 | jelly | ma3x: you need to learn how to search for things on your system by yourself |
| 19:06.55 | iKs | janK2: but lspci|grep Audio would give '00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02) |
| 19:06.55 | iKs | ' |
| 19:07.26 | iKs | peppe: I can't like set manually what type of audio should go where ? |
| 19:08.10 | peppe | iKs: you can edit your .asoundrc and set your routes for audio channels |
| 19:08.37 | iKs | peppe: arima is OK I suppose, I can put my headphones in the 'front' jack instead of the headphone one and I can turn of the PC speakers by unchecking 'Headphones' in Volume Manager >> Headphones |
| 19:08.46 | iKs | peppe: would that fix my problem ? |
| 19:08.47 | magyar_ | how can i make mplayer to go fullscreen? |
| 19:09.00 | peppe | magyar_: man mplayer!!! |
| 19:09.03 | peppe | (press f) |
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| 19:09.51 | peppe | iKs: yes, but good luck with your asoundrc - it isn't an easy task. the problem is that there are *hundreds* of HDA controllers, each one with its bugs and strange things (like having the rear channels or headphones as the first two). each kernel version changelog has many many rows stating "added support for the XXXXX hda chip, added workaround for this other, etc." |
| 19:09.57 | magyar_ | peppe, the picture is still small, the frame goes fullscreen |
| 19:10.09 | peppe | magyar_: do you have the XVideo extension? |
| 19:10.18 | iKs | peppe: hum. |
| 19:10.33 | lxsameer | how can i get a file with wget multipart at same time |
| 19:10.37 | iKs | peppe: another question : can I restart alsa only to test my new options instead of rebooting the system ? |
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| 19:11.00 | jhanssen | Hey guys .can anybody help on it ? why every time after xorg update and a X restart my nvidia driver needs to be reinstalled ? |
| 19:11.08 | peppe | iKs: ~/.asoundrc is read by every application that uses alsa, you don't have to reboot |
| 19:11.11 | magyar_ | peppe, not sure |
| 19:11.33 | peppe | magyar_: xdpyinfo, if it's not enabled try to figure out why it isn't |
| 19:11.39 | themill | jhanssen: did you install it the debian way or using the nvidia installer? |
| 19:11.56 | jhanssen | nvidia installer I am using lenny distribution |
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| 19:12.14 | themill | jhanssen: that's why. |
| 19:12.14 | jhanssen | themill, |
| 19:12.18 | wols_ | jhanssen: nvidia drivers not supported |
| 19:12.31 | wols_ | jhanssen: ask nvidia.com |
| 19:12.32 | jhanssen | wols_, OK .. just trying to get a help .. |
| 19:12.40 | themill | dpkg: tell jhanssen about nvidia lenny |
| 19:12.40 | wols_ | then use debian packages |
| 19:12.42 | Nyle | jhanssen, you need to install using the debian way |
| 19:13.01 | jhanssen | Nyle, do you have any repository to get that package ? |
| 19:13.02 | MoDaX | jhanssen: nvidia installer is evil |
| 19:13.10 | themill | hopes the nvidia installer gets sorted out before lenny releases... |
| 19:13.13 | wols_ | !tell jhanssen about nvidia_lenny |
| 19:13.14 | Nyle | jhanssen, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 19:13.15 | jelly | how to make /dev/xconsole g+w permanently under udev? |
| 19:13.26 | jhanssen | k |
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| 19:13.50 | MoDaX | jelly: rules in /etc/udev.d/ . check that dir for examples |
| 19:14.20 | jerrcs | ok, dont want to bug you guys too much, but is there anyway to autofix any errors that do come up during a fsck on reboot? i dont want to have to get console interaction :P it would just be easier otherwise |
| 19:14.32 | jelly | skullduggery! /etc/init.d/syslog-ng: if [ ! -e /dev/xconsole ]; then mknod -m 640 /dev/xconsole p [...] |
| 19:14.34 | cusco | any guide about sharing a internet connection to a windows pc trough debian (with dhcp) ? |
| 19:14.38 | jhanssen | Thanks wols_ and Nyle and themill and MoDaX :D |
| 19:14.46 | cusco | my google keywords don't seem to be the best |
| 19:14.54 | jhanssen | My Debian is a step to be fully debian packaged... :D |
| 19:15.09 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly, can the file be made immutable? Would that do the trick? |
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| 19:15.28 | themill | cusco: look at the ipmasq package |
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| 19:15.30 | MoDaX | jerrcs: /etc/default/rcS: FSCKFIX=yes |
| 19:15.31 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: /dev is a ram disk with udev, created at boot |
| 19:15.31 | wols_ | cusco: install ipmasq and dnsmasq if you have 2 NICs in your debian |
| 19:15.39 | ttl- | themill: it's all scanned images, with what can i extract the images from a pdf ? |
| 19:15.49 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: well, tmpfs |
| 19:15.52 | wols_ | ttl-: pdftohtml |
| 19:15.53 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly, That would be a 'no' then... |
| 19:15.55 | cusco | cheers wols_ |
| 19:15.57 | jelly | yes |
| 19:16.01 | jerrcs | ty MoDaX :-) |
| 19:16.11 | iKs | peppe: yeah, but what about the option snd-hda-intel thing ? |
| 19:16.21 | themill | ttl-: there's pdfimages in the xpdf-utils and poppler-utils packages. Also imagemagick convert can do it. You might need to split the pdf up using pdftk first. |
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| 19:16.23 | jelly | cognitiaclaeves: also I have no idea what immutable does to named pipes :-) |
| 19:16.26 | iKs | peppe: and how can I set this asound so that it's global on the system ? |
| 19:16.46 | rahul | cusco: you'll also need dhcpd if you want to assign your single windows box an ip via that... |
| 19:16.48 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly: That sounds like that could get ugly... |
| 19:17.00 | rahul | (why you'd go through that efford, I don't know) |
| 19:17.04 | wols_ | rahul: dnsmasq |
| 19:17.22 | rahul | wols_: that just provides dns, no? |
| 19:17.26 | wols_ | no |
| 19:17.27 | ttl- | themill: thanks |
| 19:17.38 | ttl- | wols_: thanks |
| 19:17.39 | rahul | it reads the dhcp clients file to provide dns for them, too |
| 19:17.49 | wols_ | no |
| 19:17.50 | jelly | edits syslog-ng init script, just like he did with the sysklogd one a few years back |
| 19:17.55 | wols_ | you configure it via /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 19:17.55 | rahul | (if they specify a name in the dhcp request) |
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| 19:18.31 | rahul | ah, didn't realize there was a switch to turn on dhcp... I installed it and dhcpd |
| 19:18.48 | rahul | worked fine, but I guess just dnsmasq is simpler if you're using it anyway |
| 19:19.40 | fourlastor | hi all |
| 19:19.54 | fourlastor | can anyone help me with live-helper and live-magic? |
| 19:20.00 | cr3rzemjest | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:20.20 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 19:20.20 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 19:20.33 | Dan6688 | cr3rzemjest: maybe have a look at GDesklets if you're on GNOME? |
| 19:20.37 | MoDaX | fourlastor: #debian-live on oftc.net |
| 19:20.40 | cr3rzemjest | Dan6688, not |
| 19:20.59 | Dan6688 | cr3rzemjest: not GNOME, or not GDesklets? |
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| 19:21.06 | cr3rzemjest | Dan6688, not GNOMME |
| 19:21.09 | cr3rzemjest | *ME |
| 19:21.09 | fourlastor | MoDaX, thanks :) |
| 19:21.11 | jelly | cr3rzemjest: is there a cool looking system monitor that doesn't wake up the cpu 20 times per second? :-) |
| 19:21.26 | cognitiaclaeves | jelly: equivs worked a treat, thanks much! |
| 19:21.32 | jelly | cheers |
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| 19:22.02 | cr3rzemjest | jelly, well, it doesn't have to look THAT cool ;] i mean not not look ugly :P |
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| 19:22.40 | RichW | a debian source file has debian/patches, are the patches applied when it is built? |
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| 19:22.56 | kshah | how do i generate an ssl key / cert for dovecot? |
| 19:22.57 | RichW | I mean for a .deb package |
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| 19:23.07 | MoDaX | RichW: usually |
| 19:23.08 | ErikRose | debtree pretty much rocks. |
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| 19:23.56 | LemensTS | Is thier a way that one of my folders could have a size limit on it? |
| 19:24.21 | MoDaX | LemensTS: no, quotas are per user per partition |
| 19:24.43 | MoDaX | or per groups |
| 19:24.45 | MoDaX | etc. |
| 19:24.46 | ErikRose | graphviz's layout algies are a heckuva lot better than OmniGraffle's. |
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| 19:26.08 | Dan6688 | LemensTS: http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-general-1/setting-maximum-folder-size-408682/ perhaps it might help a little bit |
| 19:26.09 | LemensTS | MoDaX: per user per partition? Does that mean a user can only have so much storage |
| 19:26.29 | MoDaX | LemensTS: yeah |
| 19:26.45 | MoDaX | user or group |
| 19:27.19 | LemensTS | modax: ok cool. ive never worked on linux systems that had users. |
| 19:27.57 | MoDaX | LemensTS: you could of course use a partition as a folder. then it would have maximum size (partition/filesystem size) |
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| 19:28.41 | gngkai | hi all |
| 19:28.50 | cr3rzemjest | how do i find out which modules i need to load/install in order to detect PWM sensors? i mean, i'd like to be able to use 'fancontrol' script... (it's from pwmconfig, i think) |
| 19:29.11 | MoDaX | cr3rzemjest: sensors_detect (as root) |
| 19:29.22 | LemensTS | MoDax: yea. I had a backup program i made run and it said disk full. It was backing up from a winxp machine to samba debian server. Didnt get too look at the error yet but figured id see if a directory limit could have been the culprit. thanks |
| 19:29.35 | cr3rzemjest | MoDaX, i tried that, but didn't work |
| 19:29.54 | rvsjoen | you could also create a fixed size file with a file system on it and mount in a folder using the loop driver.. |
| 19:30.03 | MoDaX | cr3rzemjest: then probably it is not supported (yet). get newer kernel |
| 19:30.09 | gngkai | from 18 august I have to prepare 5 production servers using debian (2 firewalls, 2 MX and 1 proxy). what do you suggest? go with lenny? |
| 19:30.11 | cr3rzemjest | k |
| 19:30.11 | Nyle | rvsjoen, well... that is extremely slow... |
| 19:30.22 | rvsjoen | yes |
| 19:30.23 | Nyle | it is a FS on top of an FS |
| 19:30.25 | Nyle | ew |
| 19:30.42 | Nyle | 2 FS layers being processed, i/o would be crazy slow |
| 19:31.02 | rahul | unda |
| 19:31.06 | rahul | it doesn't slow i/o |
| 19:31.06 | MoDaX | gngkai: lenny might not have security support until aug 18. |
| 19:31.08 | Nyle | gandu |
| 19:31.11 | rahul | it just adds some cpu overhead to it |
| 19:31.27 | Nyle | rahul, it DOES slow it down |
| 19:31.33 | Nyle | especially with slightly older/slower hw |
| 19:31.38 | rahul | Nyle: usually not measurably |
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| 19:31.41 | Nyle | rahul, I know from experience |
| 19:31.46 | rahul | ok, yeah, like a couple thousand Hz :P |
| 19:31.47 | jhanssen | wols_, here I am again |
| 19:31.55 | Nyle | rahul, and learn to pick up your phoen sometime |
| 19:31.56 | Nyle | prick |
| 19:32.10 | rahul | dude, I've been running around like crazy lately |
| 19:32.19 | rahul | my landlady has been chasing me around |
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| 19:32.23 | iKs | peppe: still here ? |
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| 19:32.35 | gngkai | MoDaX: ok, I can survive without security support for some weeks. Apart that, is safe to use lenny? |
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| 19:32.43 | rvsjoen | I took reiserfs for a spin and thought it was going to be faster than ext3 doing alot of consecutive open/write/close operations on small files, it was almost 30% slower though |
| 19:33.02 | Nyle | rahul, its alright |
| 19:33.04 | Nyle | call me now |
| 19:33.16 | Nyle | and msg i wanna show you something |
| 19:33.23 | MoDaX | gngkai: it should work. check bugs listings of the packages you are going to use |
| 19:33.32 | jelly | rvsjoen: you should have tested its fsck speeds, and its irreversible perf. degradation after filling up the partition! |
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| 19:34.10 | rvsjoen | maybe I should |
| 19:34.35 | Jester45 | prefers vFAt |
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| 19:34.52 | gngkai | MoDax: I'll do. thanks! |
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| 19:35.33 | rvsjoen | I think hal or the xorg mga driver is broken in unstable, kernel panics when I try to start X |
| 19:35.35 | jelly | rvsjoen: reiserfs worked nice for a (non-binary) news spool for me, but once the partition got filled to some 92%, the r/w and io busy graphs changed for the worse (even after cleaning it back to some 60% usage) |
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| 19:36.13 | rvsjoen | jelly: ok, will have to do some more extensive testing soon |
| 19:36.14 | jelly | rvsjoen: combined with 72 hour fscks... we got rid of it. |
| 19:36.39 | Jester45 | its also nice for mail spools |
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| 19:36.47 | jelly | but tail packing worked very nice. I imagine it'd work well for Maildirs. |
| 19:37.01 | rvsjoen | heh, thats not really an option for me, need to run consecutively 24/7 with _alot_ of opening and closeing of files |
| 19:37.16 | Jester45 | JFS? |
| 19:37.24 | AlterTone | guys anyone with kde 4.1 help please |
| 19:37.24 | cr3rzemjest | how to upgrade kernel with aptitude? install kernel-image-2.6-686 package if i have *686 kernel installed? |
| 19:37.25 | jelly | rvsjoen: lots and lots of ram! :-) |
| 19:37.43 | rvsjoen | hehe, yes |
| 19:37.45 | jelly | rvsjoen: don't make the little buggers touch the metal |
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| 19:37.52 | AlterTone | in order to install it in debian i am required to have several packages uninstalled as aptitude says |
| 19:38.04 | AlterTone | anyway to have them run side by side? |
| 19:38.18 | simonrvn | AlterTone: you're installing/have 4.1.x installed, you're kinda expected to know what you're doing.... |
| 19:38.51 | AlterTone | well, i just want to put 4.1 in my debian, don't care much if i break it right now |
| 19:39.01 | Jester45 | lol |
| 19:39.05 | AlterTone | but i do want to learn out of this :P |
| 19:39.16 | rvsjoen | jelly: with a sustained throughput of ~10-15 MB/sec theres only so much you can do in ram :p |
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| 19:39.54 | jelly | rvsjoen: that's a minute worth for 1GB if it's all new data |
| 19:40.20 | Jester45 | there is never a limit of how much you can do in ram. just depends on the amount of ram |
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| 19:40.30 | jelly | rvsjoen: mount ext3 with commit=30 or 60 and hope the UPS doesn't fail :-) |
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| 19:40.45 | rvsjoen | yup, and when you need to store 2 weeks+ you need something else than ram to put it on :p |
| 19:41.06 | rvsjoen | actually tweaking the commit time is a very good idea |
| 19:41.11 | Jester45 | rvalles, thats what swap if fore |
| 19:41.22 | AlterTone | here it goes then, i am doing the 4.1 upgrade on this box |
| 19:41.33 | AlterTone | hope it does not break |
| 19:41.36 | AlterTone | :) |
| 19:41.44 | Jester45 | fis for* |
| 19:41.50 | jelly | rvsjoen: makes kernel (and raid controller, possibly) think about ordering the writes a bit more nicely |
| 19:41.56 | Jester45 | dang twisted fingers |
| 19:42.40 | rvsjoen | yes, been looking at some data structures to reduce the number of single file operations to be able to write bigger blocks |
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| 19:43.14 | Jester45 | im telling you tmpfs everything with large amounts of swap |
| 19:43.29 | AlterTone | uses XFS |
| 19:43.46 | AlterTone | who was the guy who talked about JFS before? |
| 19:43.57 | rvsjoen | Jester45 : will put that to the test also |
| 19:44.11 | Jester45 | lol i wonder how that will work for you rvalles |
| 19:44.19 | Jester45 | AlterTone, me |
| 19:44.35 | AlterTone | it is a good filesystem for a slow cpu |
| 19:44.38 | jelly | rvsjoen: I have a backup machine with 5-15 parallel writers (making up to maybe 100MB/s) to a block of sata disks, the array is mostly idle with doing large writes every so-n-so seconds; commit=30 makes the array a lot less busy |
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| 19:44.52 | AlterTone | i use it on old boxes to get excellent performance with the journaling features |
| 19:45.11 | AlterTone | xfs on the other hand is a memory wh*re |
| 19:45.14 | jelly | rvsjoen: but I can afford to lose a couple gigs of data if power fails |
| 19:45.15 | rvsjoen | anyone know the default commit time ? |
| 19:45.20 | jelly | 5 secs |
| 19:45.39 | rvsjoen | yes me too, the data is not critical but "large" gaps are a problem |
| 19:46.03 | twobitwork | so, I'm sure this has been discussed at length... but since kde 4.1 has been released and seems to be regarded as stable and fairly complete, any chance that it will make it into lenny? |
| 19:46.22 | jelly | rvsjoen: there's also related stuff in /proc/sys/vm/dirty_* |
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| 19:47.01 | AlterTone | twobitwork, according to ana, no |
| 19:47.07 | AlterTone | lenny is in frozen mode |
| 19:47.13 | twobitwork | ohh really? |
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| 19:47.15 | AlterTone | if you want it, you need the experimental repo in |
| 19:47.15 | twobitwork | when did that happen? |
| 19:47.19 | AlterTone | i am doing this now |
| 19:47.25 | AlterTone | nothing broke so far |
| 19:47.27 | jelly | rvsjoen: oh, and I think I've read about some people use laptop_mode to delay writes :-) |
| 19:47.38 | AlterTone | twobitwork, at about a couple of days ago if i recall |
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| 19:48.17 | twobitwork | any indication as to when lenny will release and we start a new testing cycle? |
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| 19:48.28 | rvsjoen | there was an email to debian-devel-announce two days ago |
| 19:48.35 | AlterTone | i read something about september, possibly |
| 19:48.49 | AlterTone | ok, kde 4 is installed, let's see what happens |
| 19:48.51 | AlterTone | bbs |
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| 19:50.13 | twobitwork | rvsjoen: about the freezing, or about a release schedule? |
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| 19:50.39 | jelly | rvsjoen: also, cfq ioscheduler on older kernels sucks; deadline made an older machine with similar workload spend much less time in iowait. I don't know when they fixed it. |
| 19:50.55 | rvsjoen | twobitwork : freezing of package uploads/patches I think |
| 19:51.03 | twobitwork | ahh |
| 19:51.04 | newsense | im using exim and it currently adds my users real name in the "from:" line in all emails i send how can i change this ? |
| 19:51.13 | jelly | rvsjoen: I guess if you don't experience lots of iowait, ignore the setting :-) |
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| 19:51.51 | newsense | i snooped around /etc/exim4/conf.d but didnt see what i needed there |
| 19:51.57 | newsense | maybe i missed something |
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| 19:54.09 | rvsjoen | a lot of good points |
| 19:54.22 | themill | dpkg: tell twobitwork about lenny status |
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| 20:00.54 | Neptunis | !Hi |
| 20:00.55 | dpkg | hello, neptunis |
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| 20:01.26 | n3kl | Can't I just apt-get -t lenny install tcllib ? |
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| 20:03.43 | rahul | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 20:03.43 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 20:04.21 | ttl- | themill: i extracted the images, reduced colors and scaled resolution, which tool i should use to recreate the pdf file please? |
| 20:04.35 | rahul | ttl-: can't gimp do that? |
| 20:04.39 | Nyle | rahul, dude |
| 20:04.41 | Nyle | the woman called |
| 20:04.42 | Nyle | sorry |
| 20:04.45 | rahul | oh |
| 20:04.47 | rahul | heh |
| 20:04.52 | Nyle | i still love you |
| 20:04.54 | Nyle | :D |
| 20:04.58 | rahul | awww |
| 20:05.17 | rahul | it was the secretary of the dude I'm interviewing with tomorrow |
| 20:05.26 | rahul | better get my shit packed |
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| 20:06.26 | ttl- | rahul: dunno about multipage pdf |
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| 20:08.04 | themill | ttl-: imagemagick can make the PDF again (single page at least, not sure about multipage). pdftk could assemble individual pages into a multipage pdf |
| 20:08.05 | voraistos | i have this server that runs debian and boots with lilo. I know nothing about lilo, and my /bbot partition doesnt contain much and the config file is in my /etc for some reason. the system currently boots a kernel present in /boot, lilo.conf and current running system being in sda4. i want the system to boot with another kernel present in /boot but with a system in /dev/sda1. How do i tell lilo to do this. Also once i reboot, i promise, i install grub |
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| 20:10.12 | ttl- | themill: thanks for all the help! |
| 20:10.16 | quagga | voraistos: boot the system, edit lilo.conf, save, run 'lilo', make sure it added what you want, reboot? |
| 20:11.23 | themill | ttl-: no worries. BTW this is the script that I use to convert a set of jpg scans to a multipage pdf: http://rafb.net/p/YtAPx437.html |
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| 20:11.43 | Sling | how do i kill a really broken proces |
| 20:11.46 | Sling | which wont stop with kill -9 |
| 20:11.56 | \amethyst | Sling: is it state D or Z ? |
| 20:12.01 | \amethyst | Sling: in ps or top |
| 20:12.08 | Sling | D |
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| 20:12.26 | dondelelcaro | Sling: you can't kill that process; it's in uninteruptible io sleep. |
| 20:12.26 | Sling | root 6957 0.0 0.3 5584 1456 ? D 21:49 0:00 mpd |
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| 20:12.32 | Sling | hmm |
| 20:12.32 | SeveredCross | I know Z means zombie. |
| 20:12.36 | SeveredCross | What does D mean? |
| 20:12.37 | voraistos | quagga. how can i be 100 per cent sure the system will boot ? |
| 20:12.54 | dondelelcaro | Sling: wait for it to timeout, and it'll stop; you can also just go /etc/init.d/mpd stop; or similar. |
| 20:12.56 | \amethyst | Sling: unfortunately there's not much you can do. The kernel is waiting for hardware (or a network filesystem) on behalf of that process, and won't give up control |
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| 20:13.05 | \amethyst | Sling: D is "uninterruptable sleep" |
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| 20:13.09 | dustybin | is linux software raid reliable and solid and stable? |
| 20:13.09 | Sling | sucky |
| 20:13.22 | ttl- | themill: great! thanks again |
| 20:13.30 | Sling | dondelelcaro : that looks for a pid file which isnt there i think |
| 20:13.31 | voraistos | i have edited lilo.conf present on /dev/sda4 in a way that should boot. then you say if i run lilo it will write something in an obscure /boot/file.whatever ? |
| 20:13.33 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: anectdotaly, yes. |
| 20:13.33 | ma3x | what is this error i receive, i can't find what's causing it [ 7032.496651] mac80211-phy7: failed to set key (0, 00:1d:7e:e3:27:67) to hardware (-22) |
| 20:13.37 | themill | ttl-: no worries |
| 20:13.49 | \amethyst | Sling: you could find out what it's hanging on, and try to fix the underlying cause, but that might not be feasible |
| 20:13.49 | dustybin | anectdotaly <-- what the hell does that mean? |
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| 20:14.07 | Sling | well i looked at strace |
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| 20:14.11 | quagga | voraistos: i believe it writes to the boot sector. it should spit out an error if something doesn't take |
| 20:14.13 | Sling | but thats mostly klingon to me |
| 20:14.16 | moope1 | hi, how do I unload kernel modules? |
| 20:14.32 | \amethyst | Sling: what's the last line strace print before it hangs? |
| 20:14.33 | dustybin | do you guys think its a good idea to setup the OS hard drive in a server to mirror itself onto another drive using RAID1 ? |
| 20:14.38 | dondelelcaro | moope1: modprobe -r or similar. |
| 20:14.41 | voraistos | quagga i hate lilo. i want my grub :D |
| 20:14.45 | Sling | close(189) = -1 EBADF (Bad file descriptor) |
| 20:14.52 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: yes. |
| 20:14.57 | maher | dustybin: yes |
| 20:15.04 | \amethyst | dustybin: something like "I heard a story about this" |
| 20:15.28 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: hardware raid is meant to be faster than software raid, should i opt for a hardware RAID card or use the kernel? |
| 20:15.30 | dondelelcaro | voraistos: there's no way to be 100% sure, but assuming lilo returns success, and your lilo.conf is correct, it should be ok. |
| 20:15.38 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: depends on how important speed is |
| 20:16.13 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: the OS will only be booted when needed, other than that it will just be acting as a server OS |
| 20:16.15 | voraistos | runs lilo in uber verbose mode |
| 20:16.17 | dustybin | for home use |
| 20:16.32 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: for normal home use, it's probably fast enough |
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| 20:16.55 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: if you later find that it's too slow for your uses, you can always put in hardware raid |
| 20:17.31 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: on the same server i will use 6x 1TB disks for storage on my home network, im going to use RAID5 and LVM, because these drives will be used for mythtv HD recordings, do you think i would be better using a RAID card in this case |
| 20:17.42 | jelly | dustybin: hw isn't meant to be faster than softraid, just use less cpu! |
| 20:17.56 | dustybin | jelly: thats not what i read |
| 20:18.02 | jelly | (and provide other nice features) |
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| 20:18.56 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: with that many drives, a raid card may be better, though quite a bit more expensive. |
| 20:19.14 | dustybin | dondelelcaro: money doesnt matter, i dont have a social life :P |
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| 20:19.28 | jelly | dustybin: cpus these days are fast enough to xor a lot of numbers... bus bandwidth is more of an issue if you have a lot of disks |
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| 20:19.38 | dustybin | jelly: aye indeed |
| 20:20.09 | ma3x | anyone knows whats this [ 7032.496651] mac80211-phy7: failed to set key (0, 00:1d:7e:e3:27:67) to hardware (-22) |
| 20:20.21 | jelly | dustybin: then again, with 8 or so PCI-e SATA controllers, you can connect a lot of disks and have nice Gbps :-) |
| 20:20.32 | dustybin | i could use linux kernel RAID1 mirroring / LVM for the OS and buy a 6-port 3ware RAID controller card for the rest of my disks, and use LVM |
| 20:20.38 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: yeah, I'd suggest the 3ware 9550SXE-8 or similar. |
| 20:20.47 | dustybin | aye ok :) |
| 20:21.18 | jelly | dustybin: now you've given me a bug to test softraid on these 24 * 750GB disks |
| 20:21.26 | dustybin | heh |
| 20:21.43 | jelly | that more of a case for hwraid |
| 20:21.49 | dustybin | i think soft RAID on light loads is ok, for lots of disks, probably a controller is requikred |
| 20:22.15 | dondelelcaro | yeah; hard to really say for certain. If it's a big question, I'd benchmark |
| 20:22.20 | dustybin | ive never thought much about LVM before, but what happens if my partitions on my server run out of space |
| 20:22.26 | dustybin | imagine /usr was nearly full |
| 20:22.52 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: you just expand the partition, bring it into single user mode, and expand /usr |
| 20:22.56 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you're using LVM) |
| 20:23.06 | dustybin | yep exactly, what if i wasnt using LVM |
| 20:23.12 | dustybin | id be f00ked |
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| 20:23.24 | dondelelcaro | dustybin: well, same thing, just more difficult |
| 20:23.38 | dustybin | LVM should be used on everything on a server |
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| 20:23.58 | michal__ | Hi! |
| 20:23.59 | twobitwork | is there a way to optimize and/or cleanout the aptitude database? It seems like its getting slower and slower |
| 20:24.17 | michal__ | How to set time via console? |
| 20:24.29 | jelly | at 6 disks, each being able to give say 70MB/s, a single PCIe x2 or x4 should theoretically be able to push the data |
| 20:24.35 | _255_ | date |
| 20:24.51 | michal__ | thx |
| 20:25.11 | enouf | dustybin: though, even with lvm, afaik, you still need to resize the FS - and as with any resizing, you want to make sure the FS type accepts online resizing |
| 20:25.25 | dustybin | ext3? |
| 20:25.27 | enouf | if .. you want to do it live, i mean |
| 20:25.29 | dustybin | ext4? |
| 20:25.50 | enouf | ext3 now does support it, but er .. there's some specifics? i forget offhand |
| 20:26.00 | dustybin | ok |
| 20:26.06 | jelly | ext3 mkfsed with -O resize_inode ... it wasn't default before etch. Maybe in etch it is |
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| 20:26.55 | dustybin | im going to start buying the parts and building the server slowly over the next coming months, then wait until lenny is released then start a minimal install of it |
| 20:26.57 | enouf | i meant, say like XFS, you might be a bit .. befuddled, having to reboot to do it, or atleast umount, or mount ro, or something .. i can't recall all these specifics offhand |
| 20:27.16 | jelly | resize inode can only be created at mkfs time, so if you forget it, you have to umount for resizing. |
| 20:27.37 | dustybin | can you mix up file systems on a RAID? |
| 20:27.44 | jelly | mix up? |
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| 20:27.58 | dustybin | like have 3 partitions of ext3 and 1 partition of xfs |
| 20:28.01 | jelly | block devices are block devices are block devices :-) |
| 20:28.15 | dustybin | so thats yes then |
| 20:28.31 | dustybin | RAID is at a lower level than the file system |
| 20:28.57 | jelly | I think xfs benefits from knowing some physical device structure (stripe sizes? dunno) |
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| 20:29.25 | dustybin | xfs works excellent with my big video files on mythtv recordings |
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| 20:29.31 | jelly | has 0 experience with xfs |
| 20:29.38 | enouf | jelly: but, iiuc, resize inode means resizing the size of inode? or amount? and if amount, i can see how that might affect overall partition FS size .. |
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| 20:29.48 | jelly | enouf: no |
| 20:30.16 | Zeroyez | How can I mass rename file extensions in a folder? Like I have 8k files with the extension *.som, and I want to rename them all to *.something |
| 20:30.20 | enouf | jelly: also, /dev/mdX are virtual devicemapper disks, right? isn't that why fdisk chokes when trying to view their partition layout / structure ? |
| 20:30.24 | enouf | same with LVM |
| 20:30.43 | Zeroyez | (When I copied files off a CD debian made all the files into 3 extension limits |
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| 20:30.55 | dondelelcaro | Zeroyez: rename 's/\.som$/.something/' *.som; |
| 20:30.59 | dondelelcaro | Zeroyez: man rename |
| 20:31.10 | jelly | enouf: why would one run fdisk on md or lvs? |
| 20:31.13 | enouf | oh well, i'd figure it out when i got there ;-) |
| 20:31.18 | dustybin | jelly: do you have 24 * 750 gigs for home usuage? :-O |
| 20:31.18 | dondelelcaro | Zeroyez: possibly with xargs and find, if necessary |
| 20:31.19 | maher | Zeroyez: see also mmv and vidir |
| 20:31.26 | enouf | jelly: block devices are not block devices ;-) |
| 20:31.28 | jelly | dustybin: not for home |
| 20:31.32 | dustybin | ok |
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| 20:31.55 | jelly | enouf: fdisk isn't meant for block devs, but rather physical ones |
| 20:31.59 | n3kl | I have a luks encrypted root on etch, I am thinking of moving to lenny. What sort of problems can I expect? |
| 20:33.03 | enouf | jelly: point |
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| 20:33.35 | jelly | enouf: you could partition a block device given by md, device mapper, or, say, an external storage, but there are not many reasons to do so |
| 20:33.36 | Saar | Zeroyez: i did something like: for filename in "$@"; do newname=${filename##*.}.pdf # edit .pdf to match whatever is needed; echo "Moving $filename to $newname"; mv "$filename" "$newname"; done |
| 20:33.40 | kshah_ | it seems i successfully setup my mailserver, but i dont know how to manage (add/remove) users so they have an account linked to a domain or event not just that, just to any of the domains i'm hosting |
| 20:33.59 | enouf | that i know, yep |
| 20:34.07 | kshah_ | right now, I set up my account and I'm receiving my root mail |
| 20:34.15 | Saar | with a load of pdf files |
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| 20:34.58 | Saar | thatw as in a script with the fopllowing explanation: Takes filename(s) as input, removes everything before the <.> and adds an extension then moves old filename to new filename |
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| 20:35.26 | dustybin | the last week ive been researching wireless PCI cards what work excellent in linux, this card came up top if anyone might be interested: http://www.tp-link.com/products/product_spe.asp?id=17 |
| 20:35.27 | enouf | i believe in simple raid setups, same size disks, use whole disks, etc (however, one should take care to not purchase all drives from the same "batch") .. just easier to manage and likely better for overall performance |
| 20:35.40 | Zeroyez | gah |
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| 20:35.49 | eaglexl | Hey, whats the name of the apache user in debian? is it www-data? I dont find anything that make more sense |
| 20:35.50 | Zeroyez | that rename thing froze virtualbox :( |
| 20:35.56 | jelly | dustybin: I can't imagine why one would need 15TB for /home ... usually only specialized apps use that much space |
| 20:36.54 | MoDaX | eaglexl: yes |
| 20:36.58 | eldowan | I've got a certain daemon that likes to start child processes with a nice of around -10, which there is no need. Is there an easy way to automagically coerce those children to be at a nicer level? |
| 20:37.03 | jelly | dustybin: ring me when holographic memory is common and consumer movies have 3000x2000 resolution |
| 20:37.14 | dustybin | jelly: my storage will be for: mythtv HD recordings, zoneminder CCTV footage, FLAC albums, and general storage |
| 20:37.25 | Nyle | hey in iceweasel how can I make the address bar dropdown list of previously typed URLs to be remembered for a longer period of time, and have more urls listed in the dropdown |
| 20:37.30 | Saar | Zeroyez: put what I pasted in a script and run it with the argument being a filename or wildcard etc |
| 20:37.30 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: fix the daemon |
| 20:37.36 | Nyle | I can't find this out anywhere so far |
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| 20:37.57 | Saar | change pdf to the extension you need |
| 20:38.06 | jelly | dustybin: right, but none of that is /home space, maybe dvr and music |
| 20:38.07 | Zeroyez | yeah I got it working with the perl expression rename thing |
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| 20:38.18 | pipegeek_ | Howdy |
| 20:38.24 | dustybin | jelly: i didnt mention /home at all? |
| 20:38.26 | Zeroyez | It froze my computer for 2 minutes, but I guess that should happen with 30,000 things to rename |
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| 20:38.31 | dondelelcaro | Zeroyez: uh... you are using Debian, right? |
| 20:38.36 | Saar | haha |
| 20:38.36 | pipegeek_ | What kernel version is used on the etch amd64 netinst disk? |
| 20:38.39 | Saar | ja |
| 20:38.43 | grendal_prime | im having a hell of a time getting snmpd configed... |
| 20:38.48 | dustybin | jelly: /home wont be used on my server |
| 20:38.53 | eaglexl | anybody? |
| 20:38.57 | Nyle | oh nm they changed it around |
| 20:38.57 | grendal_prime | the server starts up its running but i cannot get any info from it.. |
| 20:38.58 | dustybin | myabe for settings etc only |
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| 20:39.04 | jelly | dustybin: oh... you meant "usage at home" O:-) |
| 20:39.06 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek_: 2.6.18 |
| 20:39.08 | grendal_prime | i used snmpconf the perl script |
| 20:39.08 | Nyle | I found the option |
| 20:39.11 | pipegeek_ | Thanks, dondelelcaro |
| 20:39.12 | dustybin | jelly: aye |
| 20:39.19 | jelly | dustybin: /me tired |
| 20:39.21 | Nyle | ff3 sux0rz kinda but it sok |
| 20:39.32 | dondelelcaro | pipegeek_: though the etch-and-a-half release has 2.6.24 as an option |
| 20:39.42 | dustybin | is it REALLY worth using RAID6 instead of RAID5 for home use? |
| 20:39.46 | Malf | Nyle: where is it. i'd been meaning to look for that myself |
| 20:39.46 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: sounds like a winner, is there any universal switch on what nice level to start a child process? or is this specific to the command thats creating the child? |
| 20:39.47 | enouf | jelly: interesting, now that you've mentioned block vs physical, i wonder how that extrapolates into LVM PVs .. (as you pointed out, a block device isn't necessarily a physical one, but as far as HDDs go, the inverse is true) i mean, would/can a PV be considered a physical device? or no, just a physical volume |
| 20:39.51 | dustybin | RAID6 is expensive |
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| 20:40.02 | jelly | dustybin: double disk failures happen! |
| 20:40.28 | dustybin | jelly: i guess i will buy my disks all at the same time so they will all get used at the same time and might break at the same time |
| 20:40.29 | enouf | dustybin: see www.baarf.com ;-) |
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| 20:40.32 | jelly | dustybin: if you have backups, I'd go with raid5 |
| 20:40.46 | dustybin | jelly: no backups, RAID6 it is |
| 20:41.10 | jelly | dustybin: eh, only 4GB net space :-( |
| 20:41.11 | pipegeek_ | Is there any easy way to build a netinst disk with a more recent kernel? The current one seems to have an issue with our nic |
| 20:41.15 | jelly | er, TB |
| 20:41.24 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: it's enherited; after the fork before it execs, it should call setpriority(0) or similar. |
| 20:41.28 | enouf | dustybin: if you're going to do 6 might as well do 10 ;-) |
| 20:41.28 | dondelelcaro | s/en/in/ |
| 20:42.17 | pipegeek_ | It's supported, but dhclient fails, and tshark on other machines on the same network doesn't show the dhcp request |
| 20:42.48 | dustybin | ill have to up my drives to 8TB |
| 20:42.53 | pipegeek_ | should google before he bugs people |
| 20:42.54 | jelly | dustybin: have scheduled raid parity checks, helps to avoid baarf.com horror stories |
| 20:43.01 | dustybin | ok |
| 20:43.05 | enouf | Nyle: yo, does this image actually animate for you? http://llnw.radar.cbslocal.com/anim/wcbs/radar2_anim.gif |
| 20:43.05 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: it's vmware, and the parent process is nice level 10, but certain child processes are -10. the daemon file doesn't return anything usefull on a grep of prio or nice. I'll take a look further into it and see. Thanks for the help. |
| 20:43.09 | Nyle | well |
| 20:43.18 | eldowan | Nyle: how ya? |
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| 20:43.42 | Nyle | Malf, I *THINK* that it is in Privacy tab > History (first checkmark, "Keep my history for at least __ days" |
| 20:43.45 | jelly | dustybin: this is one thing hw raid controllers usually have, transparent checks every X time units |
| 20:43.53 | Nyle | eldowan, hey man I'm doing pretty alright, how are you |
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| 20:44.14 | eldowan | peachy dandy |
| 20:44.16 | Nyle | Malf, however, I've obviously not had time to test that, since I just enabled it |
| 20:44.20 | Nyle | eldowan, word |
| 20:44.20 | enouf | dustybin: don't forget about /etc/default/mdadm when setting up schedules and such |
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| 20:44.42 | yaaar | howdy |
| 20:44.52 | Malf | Nyle: Still it seems more promising than me not trying anything |
| 20:44.54 | Nyle | Malf, I set it to 90days, so obviously it will take more than 9 days for me to find out how it works? or is there a faster way to test this, I can't think right now |
| 20:45.37 | jelly | dustybin: also, resizable raid5s for some controllers. think replacing all the 1TB disks by peachy new 2TB disks a year or two from now, and keeping the array |
| 20:45.42 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: nevermind. I think the daemon starts the parent process, and it starts everything on its own. I'll need to find or create something that does a mass renice on a certain process name as a chron job. Thanks for the pointer though. |
| 20:46.11 | jelly | dustybin: and when you replace all the disks, you can magically expand the array too |
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| 20:46.18 | enouf | or .. did you mention hardware raid, that i missed .. |
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| 20:46.58 | dustybin | jelly: nice |
| 20:47.40 | jelly | dustybin: give old small worn out 1TB disks to friends, enemies and people on irc! |
| 20:47.48 | dustybin | hehehe |
| 20:48.08 | dustybin | ill sell a few to wols |
| 20:48.12 | dustybin | ssh! |
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| 20:48.34 | Malf | Nyle: I suspect you'll have to wait it out to be sure. Though you might be able to trick it by changing your system time. |
| 20:49.16 | Nyle | I thought about it |
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| 20:49.21 | lxsameer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:49.33 | mrnull_ | i got my webcam working with uvc, but their built-in app doesn't do sound. What's the best program for recording webcam movies? |
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| 20:49.48 | Squawk | white drop down box with no entries |
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| 20:50.20 | Squawk | its as if no fonts have been installed or something. ctrl-backspace to get to command line doesnt work as the display manager restarts automatically |
| 20:50.23 | Squawk | any ideas? |
| 20:50.25 | quagga | Squawk: and ttf-devavu and menu are installed? |
| 20:50.49 | Saar | is this debian stable? |
| 20:50.56 | Squawk | no, testing |
| 20:51.00 | Saar | oh... |
| 20:51.05 | Saar | all bets are off ;-) |
| 20:51.17 | quagga | well my testing has menus and fonts heh |
| 20:51.21 | Squawk | hmm. First time I had a problem with testing |
| 20:51.21 | jelly | Squawk: so all the text is "invisible" |
| 20:51.26 | Squawk | jelly, yes |
| 20:51.29 | Saar | first time? |
| 20:51.29 | yaaar | Hi everyone. I'm moving into a collocation facility and have just found out that they want me to route my own network, a /27, and it turns out I'm completely lost. I've googled a bit but haven't really found much about it...does anybody have a good resource for that type of thing? |
| 20:51.31 | Squawk | well, there are a few artifacts |
| 20:51.46 | Saar | why not try stable and verify that works? |
| 20:51.48 | Squawk | Saar, ok first time I had a problem that I couldn't see a reason for |
| 20:52.05 | yaaar | I don't really want to buy a dedicated router, so I'm thinking I'll just use one of my servers as a head-end node for the /27 |
| 20:52.14 | Saar | i thought that if you want the newest then using unstable is a better idea than testing |
| 20:52.14 | Squawk | Saar, I will if I can't find a fix for this, but if its a case of half an hours work then I will fix it. If I could disable the display manger that would do |
| 20:52.29 | Saar | since problems take longer to be fixed in testing |
| 20:52.32 | jelly | Squawk: can you (blindly) run "xterm -fn fixed" ? |
| 20:52.47 | Squawk | jelly, if I could figure out how to get a command prompt on screen I would |
| 20:52.55 | yaaar | The tech I talked to said he would setup a /30 to provide my gateway, and I'd use that on my external interface and use the first in my /27 as my internal interface |
| 20:53.02 | jelly | Squawk: gnome or xfce -> alt-f2 |
| 20:53.04 | lxsameer | is any one to help me? |
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| 20:53.12 | Squawk | jelly, ahh k |
| 20:53.19 | jelly | Squawk: "run command" dialog |
| 20:53.23 | Squawk | jelly, gimme 2 mins and I will get back to you |
| 20:53.28 | janK2 | Squawk: have a look at /etc/init.d for the start/stop script of your display manager |
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| 20:54.08 | Squawk | janK2, I know how to start and stop scripts, but if you can't get access to a prompt to do it its a bit hard |
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| 20:54.32 | janK2 | Squawk: how about CTRL+ALT+F2? |
| 20:54.59 | Squawk | aha, good job janK2, thats got me to a prompt |
| 20:55.08 | janK2 | :) |
| 20:55.21 | Squawk | now just got to figure out where everything is, im used to gentoo... |
| 20:56.10 | janK2 | Squawk: take lots of notes and write a "migrating from gentoo to debian" guide :) |
| 20:56.13 | jelly | Squawk: perhaps this bug report might provide some clues, sounds similar http://bugs.debian.org/256500 |
| 20:57.32 | Squawk | jelly, yeah that sounds familiar, though it appears to be everything X related. just looking at the logs and dmesg to see whats going on atm |
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| 20:58.36 | jelly | Squawk: pasting /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf is usually asked for at some point when debugging X issues :-) also, do you have any other window manager? Try logging into that. |
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| 20:59.56 | Squawk | jelly, none so far, clean install and this was the first boot, will post them when I can, not gonna do it from links/lynx so will probably ssh in from my other box, if I can't fix it. Standbye for more qeustions :D |
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| 21:02.24 | Squawk | jelly, best guess its a display manager problem or an environment problem? |
| 21:03.11 | sladi | Squawk: try another window manager |
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| 21:03.40 | pipegeek_ | I'm trying to figure out how to use linux-kernel-di-amd64-2.6 |
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| 21:04.09 | pipegeek_ | I've modified kernel-versions (as specified by the wiki page), but it seems the kernel version is actually hard-coded in in a couple of places, including debian/control |
| 21:04.10 | liable | pipegeek_: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:04.31 | pipegeek_ | liable: I want to build an etch install cd with a more recent kernel. |
| 21:04.50 | pipegeek_ | I'm using the di package from stable |
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| 21:05.04 | pipegeek_ | following the instructions (loosely) at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel |
| 21:05.12 | liable | pipegeek_: you should use unstable sources then |
| 21:05.38 | Hydroxide | pipegeek_: hi patrick. why not just use the etch-and-a-half release? |
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| 21:05.48 | Hydroxide | pipegeek_: it's finally out now |
| 21:05.49 | pipegeek_ | Aha! |
| 21:05.52 | liable | pipegeek_: see the eeeps debian wiki. we have a script that automates building a monolithic image |
| 21:05.55 | pipegeek_ | thanks, jimmy :) |
| 21:05.59 | pipegeek_ | also, howdy |
| 21:05.59 | Hydroxide | sure :) |
| 21:06.01 | Hydroxide | hi |
| 21:06.19 | Hydroxide | pipegeek_: http://www.datamodel.co.uk/Reciprocality/www.reciprocality.org/Reciprocality/r0 |
| 21:06.22 | Hydroxide | oops |
| 21:06.25 | Hydroxide | wrong link |
| 21:06.25 | Hydroxide | let's try that again |
| 21:06.33 | Hydroxide | pipegeek_: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf |
| 21:07.09 | pipegeek_ | Already there |
| 21:07.12 | pipegeek_ | haha |
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| 21:07.28 | pipegeek_ | swigs a coke zero and gets down to business |
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| 21:10.51 | yaaar | Anybody know a good resource for routing a public subnet? I'm moving my servers into a new facility, and where before they just had IPs routed to them now the new guys want to "send me a /30 gateway and have me route my own /27" |
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| 21:10.58 | yaaar | Near as I can tell, that means having a tiny "external" (4 IP, 2 usable) subnet on one ethernet interface that's just used for getting out to the world, and having a larger "internal" (32 IP, 30 usable) one on the other eth to pass traffic around inside the net, and then routing between them |
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| 21:11.13 | yaaar | I've googled around, but not found anything that specifically talks about routing public nets around like that |
| 21:11.17 | jelly | Squawk: or a library problem or a xserver problem; eliminate xserver by confirming the FontPath in the log looks normal |
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| 21:11.47 | vcm48-client | anybody help me please, i have problem with APT |
| 21:11.55 | Malf | Nyle: I think that history change will keep it in history for longer but if you want more items to show up by default in the drop-down under the address bar then it looks like you need to go to about:config |
| 21:11.56 | jelly | Squawk: if you're using gnome, try kde and vice versa |
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| 21:12.02 | vcm48-client | APT show error "Segmentation faultsts" |
| 21:12.09 | jelly | Squawk: or a simple window manager like fluxbox |
| 21:12.23 | Malf | Nyle: Under there look for the setting browser.url.maxRichResults and set that to a higher number |
| 21:12.28 | jelly | Squawk: you might have to install all that stuff at the console :-) |
| 21:12.34 | Malf | Nyle: then restart the browser |
| 21:12.53 | enouf | Nyle: thanks for the help |
| 21:13.02 | sladi | Does anyone know it xawtv or motv are compatible with pulseaudio? |
| 21:13.28 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 21:13.37 | Nyle | Malf, you are the fucking man dude homie bro |
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| 21:13.40 | Nyle | enouf, you are not so much |
| 21:13.42 | Nyle | ha! |
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| 21:13.48 | Nyle | burn! anyway, I'm gonna try that right now |
| 21:13.57 | Squawk | jelly, tried re-install gdm, then tried xdm, then tried re-installing gnome (thats caused a quick reboot thats now happening). Same issue with both display managers so it appaers the problem is gnome related |
| 21:14.02 | Malf | Nyle: er it's actually browser.urlbar.maxRichResults |
| 21:14.21 | cr3rzemjest | i've installed 'linux-image-2.6-686' package, but now when i'm booting this kernel, it says 'nv' 'nvidia' fb modules are not installed and wo'nt boot Xorg |
| 21:14.38 | jelly | Squawk: display managers only show the pretty login screen. btw, fonts at gdm time work? |
| 21:14.39 | Malf | Nyle: found it trying to keep bookmarks from showing up in the list all the time |
| 21:14.45 | Squawk | jelly, this might teach me to google better. http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=26583 |
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| 21:14.51 | Nyle | Malf, cool |
| 21:14.57 | Nyle | Malf, what bookmarks? |
| 21:15.15 | CoolCold_ | when i was in univercity, i had one man with nick format_c |
| 21:15.24 | Nyle | whats the best way to save my bookmarks online |
| 21:15.31 | Nyle | so I can access them from wherever |
| 21:15.33 | CoolCold_ | that was REA named after G.V. Plekhanov |
| 21:15.40 | CoolCold_ | format_c: isn't it u? |
| 21:15.40 | newsense | anyone know what option in exim4's config i would edit to stop exim from appending my users "real name" from etc/password to the from field in outgoing remote mails ? |
| 21:16.02 | jelly | Squawk: is there a resolution somewhere in that thread? :-) |
| 21:16.09 | jelly | s/re// |
| 21:16.10 | format_c | CoolCold_, guess not |
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| 21:16.14 | pickcoder | Nyle: thumb drive? |
| 21:16.30 | Squawk | jelly, the link I found that linked to it suggests so, so im hoping. Still reading :( |
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| 21:17.23 | pickcoder | cr3rzemjest: what kernel was on there before? |
| 21:17.31 | Malf | Nyle: By default firefox builds a list of the pages you've visited most often but it adds a bonus rating to all of your bookmarks in firefox automatically. But on that about:config screen you can change that to a setting of 0 so they're rated evenly. |
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| 21:17.52 | cognitiaclaeves | anyone have any issues with svn on Etch? I can't figure out why the connection is being dropped when changes are attempted in the repository... |
| 21:17.58 | cr3rzemjest | pickcoder, 2.6.18-6-686, and still is, I use GRUB |
| 21:18.19 | TZander | is there an up-to-date nvida installation tutorial (for lenny) ? The wiki seems hopelessly out of date :( |
| 21:18.29 | enouf | newsense: if you can't get exim to cooperate right away, man chfn |
| 21:18.34 | sladi | TZander: it worked for me |
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| 21:18.45 | TZander | sladi: which one did you follow? |
| 21:18.48 | Doctor_Nick | does debian have its own version of su? |
| 21:18.50 | jelly | Squawk: it involves some framebuffer interaction. Makes me think fb being active disables some buggy acceleration in xserver. |
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| 21:19.00 | Neptunis | <cr3rzemjest> Try the vesa, and install the right drivers again |
| 21:19.02 | jelly | Squawk: oh. Which card do you have? |
| 21:19.04 | TZander | sladi: the debian way? Or the nvida installer? |
| 21:19.14 | sladi | TZander: debian way |
| 21:19.15 | pipegeek | Hmm. All the links point to a mirror on gensho.acc.umu.se, and all such 404 |
| 21:19.36 | pipegeek | and googling "debian-4.0r4etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso" fails to turn up any results |
| 21:19.38 | newsense | enouf: thanks think thats my best option |
| 21:19.38 | Doctor_Nick | i noticed that the su man page wasn't the gnu one |
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| 21:19.52 | sladi | TZander: what is the problem with the wiki? |
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| 21:20.13 | enouf | newsense: seen /usr/share/doc/exim4/examples/aliases ? |
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| 21:20.37 | newsense | enouf: i think that i havent |
| 21:20.42 | pickcoder | cr3rzemjest: apt-cache show linux-image-2.6-686 and look at the depends for the kernel |
| 21:20.49 | newsense | i should read it, thanks again:) |
| 21:20.51 | pickcoder | then look at "provides" |
| 21:20.57 | enouf | newsense: then also make sure you check out all the man update-exim* man pages |
| 21:21.00 | pipegeek | Anyone know where I can grab the etchnhalf netinst disk? |
| 21:21.04 | pickcoder | compare it with the /lib/modules for your current kernel version |
| 21:22.08 | TZander | sladi: I'm looking at http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers It doesn't mention lenny. I'll try again. |
| 21:22.32 | cr3rzemjest | pickcoder, i've just found that /lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/ has nvidia/nvidia.ko but /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686 doesn't, is it ok? |
| 21:22.47 | sladi | TZander: It works, one package is missing. You will download its source and compile it. :) |
| 21:23.00 | TZander | sladi: would be nice if the points in the 'overview' were referenced again in the rest of the text, since I guess they are explained later, but thats far from clear. |
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| 21:23.40 | cr3rzemjest | pickcoder, depends on linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 |
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| 21:23.50 | sladi | TZander: what is the specific issue? Just go by the text. ^^ |
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| 21:24.26 | sladi | TZander: also lenny is mentioned |
| 21:24.56 | TZander | sladi: sorry, I didn't search. I just got stuck reading top down. |
| 21:25.21 | jelly | Squawk: you wouldn't be having an intel card too, would you? |
| 21:25.35 | sladi | TZander: I got stuck too the first time, but it ain't hard, there is just a lot of information you probably don't need. |
| 21:25.40 | Neptunis | pipegeek this is all i got netinst testing i386- but works fine here. http://www.webmind.org/debian/Debian_testing_i386.iso |
| 21:26.02 | TZander | sladi: at 'overview' I'm stuck when it says "Install the user-space GLX libraries" and I'm like "but how?".. The text needs tweaking ;) |
| 21:26.20 | pipegeek | Neptunis: apparently, the site has broken links |
| 21:26.34 | sladi | TZander: the overview doesn't tell how, just what is being described below |
| 21:26.40 | pipegeek | Hydroxide found it at http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-40r4etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:26.50 | pipegeek | but the url linked from the site is http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/amd64/iso-cd/debian-4.0r4etchnhalf-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 21:26.52 | pipegeek | which is a 404 |
| 21:27.10 | jelly | Squawk: if so, can you try putting this in Section "Device" in /etc/X11/xorg.conf: Option "AccelMethod" "XAA" and restarting X |
| 21:27.18 | TZander | sladi: I got that now, would be nice if the text mentioned that. |
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| 21:27.33 | sladi | TZander: ^^ |
| 21:27.33 | TZander | sladi: you would not happen to have editing rights there? |
| 21:27.42 | Squawk | jelly, sorry was off editing, gimme 1 sec just testing |
| 21:27.47 | sladi | TZander: I guess not ^^ |
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| 21:28.55 | sladi | TZander: read from "Use module-assistant (lenny)". I guess you don't use a custom compiled kernel |
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| 21:29.05 | jelly | Squawk: also, if you have an intel card, "dpkg -l xserver-xorg-video-intel |tail -1" would be useful |
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| 21:29.33 | Squawk | jelly, yeah its an intel board, will run that now |
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| 21:31.01 | sladi | TZander: you should need just that one section of the wiki. I agree it should be made easier to find. |
| 21:31.18 | Squawk | jelly, last line of that is "Intel i8xx, i9xx display d", I presume thats driver, but its cut off |
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| 21:32.05 | jelly | Squawk: there should be a version on the line somewhere |
| 21:32.58 | Squawk | aha |
| 21:33.04 | Squawk | your line in "device" sorted it |
| 21:33.14 | Squawk | thanks man, what exactly is that option |
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| 21:33.30 | jelly | Squawk: I'll be off now. if setting accel to "XAA" fails, try setting it to "EXA" and restarting X. If nothing helps, the fine debian xorg maintainers might be able to help; #debian-x channel on irc.debian.org. be sure to give them xserver-xorg and xserver-xorg-video-intel pkg versions, your log and conf files, that forum link too maybe |
| 21:33.40 | jelly | Squawk: it worked? |
| 21:33.44 | jelly | huh |
| 21:33.48 | TZander | sladi: the installation of packages doesn't seem to be current (the pre block after "Now you'll need to install some needed packages") |
| 21:33.49 | ma3x | why does it take * Starting NTP server ntpd 2 minutes to start???? |
| 21:33.51 | ma3x | it hangs in there |
| 21:33.57 | Squawk | jelly, yeah it worked, the AccellMethod Xaa thing |
| 21:33.58 | ma3x | it takes 2 mins from boot |
| 21:34.02 | ma3x | that's fukking insane |
| 21:34.08 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: uh... is your network working? |
| 21:34.17 | ma3x | dondelelcaro: not always |
| 21:34.23 | ma3x | but why would it wait for the network |
| 21:34.28 | jelly | Squawk: the new intel driver switched to all-new and improved EXA acceleration by default. It seems to be somewhat buggy for some people |
| 21:34.32 | dondelelcaro | ma3x: well, if it's not working entirely, name resolution could block it |
| 21:34.32 | ma3x | if there's no network let it run in background |
| 21:34.42 | ma3x | not brake all other stuff |
| 21:34.42 | Squawk | jelly, thanks man, I would have been looking for taht for hours |
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| 21:35.37 | jelly | Squawk: those debian-x people might still be interested in which card exactly you have to fix the issue; or maybe they'll tell you it's already fixed in unstable version |
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| 21:36.12 | Blast_Hardcheese | server irc.vortexnetwork.org |
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| 21:36.12 | sladi | TZander: I see, I read anoter version of it. I installed kernel-source and glx via aptitude |
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| 21:36.55 | rvsjoen | which version of wireless extensions does etch have ? |
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| 21:37.56 | greeg | hi |
| 21:38.14 | enouf | newsense: if you want to dig deeper into it try; ~$ zgrep -i 'username' /usr/share/doc/exim4/*.gz <--or just gunzip the whole lot of them, so you can easily grep -r them all as you like (i was grepping the dir prior, not zgrepping and most of those files are .gz) |
| 21:38.35 | Squawk | jelly, k il go make mention |
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| 21:40.30 | Nyle | hey man dude |
| 21:40.36 | Nyle | enouf, why did you thank me for help |
| 21:40.39 | Nyle | I didn't help you |
| 21:40.49 | enouf | i know |
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| 21:40.55 | Nyle | 05:09 < enouf> Nyle: thanks for the help |
| 21:40.59 | Nyle | oh |
| 21:41.03 | Nyle | welcome anyway |
| 21:41.06 | enouf | dumbass |
| 21:41.11 | Nyle | =D |
| 21:41.15 | enouf | :-P |
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| 21:43.19 | tuv | something is wrong with kernel 2.6.25 and c2d cpus. it keeps freezing |
| 21:43.35 | sha1 | hey guys what's the name of the app that selects the fastest mirror for apt sources? |
| 21:43.45 | tuv | apt-spy ? |
| 21:44.51 | mfaraci | where can i find log of reboot, or is there a way to log, im having a server hang on reboot, deactivating swap, there is a call trace on scsi controller right above, not sure where i should look, tried disabling ACPI in bios, swapoff doesnt help, shutdown seems to work without hanging |
| 21:45.15 | sha1 | nm netselect-apt I think |
| 21:46.25 | sladi | TZander: I haven't used the lenny specific section but the one before. I had to add Sid repository. |
| 21:46.45 | janK2 | mfaraci: what hardware architecture and kernel? |
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| 21:46.49 | piper69 | hello |
| 21:47.07 | cr3rzemjest | ehh |
| 21:47.11 | sladi | TZander: I installed 173.14 drivers like that recently |
| 21:47.35 | cr3rzemjest | so, what do you do after upgrading kernel in order to have working drivers for your graphics card? |
| 21:47.38 | rvsjoen | mfaraci : had a similar problem this week, it was right after enabling swap though |
| 21:47.40 | piper69 | how do i edit my .profile and .env please |
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| 21:48.39 | mfaraci | jank2 : 2.6.18-5-686-bigmem, quadcore opterons x86 i guess |
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| 21:49.05 | mfaraci | rvsjoen did you fix? |
| 21:49.19 | TZander | sladi: I have an nvidia kernel driver (seen via lsmod) but x complains about (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 21:49.24 | TZander | sladi: any hints? |
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| 21:49.46 | TZander | sladi: I am using an xorg.conf from this same system where it had kubuntu installed before. |
| 21:49.47 | peppe | TZander: you need also nvidia-glx |
| 21:49.58 | b_z | hello. |
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| 21:50.40 | b_z | are the debian download servers down? |
| 21:50.49 | mfaraci | JanK2 i mean im running in 32 bit userland |
| 21:51.14 | Trynemjoel | Any idea where i can get the latest stable cd ISO for i386 ? Debian.org and the norwegian and swedish mirrors appear not to have it available for some reason or other |
| 21:51.42 | b_z | Trynemjoe1- i think all mirrors are down |
| 21:51.47 | mfaraci | JanK2 you there? |
| 21:51.50 | janK2 | mfaraci: have you tried searching bugs.debian.org in combination with kernel and architecture information? |
| 21:51.54 | sladi | btw. having the glx-devel package seems to be nessecary for some issues |
| 21:52.17 | Trynemjoel | bugger :/ thanks for the info b_z. |
| 21:52.30 | b_z | np |
| 21:52.32 | TZander | peppe: that packages seems to not exist in lenny anymore ;) |
| 21:52.33 | mfaraci | janK2 ya , but i have identical server with same kernel reboots fine :( |
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| 21:52.57 | b_z | i found that the hard way. tried every mirror for the last 3 days |
| 21:53.04 | mfaraci | is there some way to log reboot in syslog? |
| 21:53.11 | janK2 | mfaraci: weird |
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| 21:54.11 | thingfish | Trynemjoel: check your PM |
| 21:54.13 | janK2 | then i have no idea to be honest |
| 21:54.15 | piper69 | how do i edit my .profile and .env please? |
| 21:54.23 | TZander | peppe: oh, I realized a dpkg -i failed. So the hint was useful. Thanks :) |
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| 21:54.33 | peppe | TZander: you're welcome :) |
| 21:54.39 | enouf | mfaraci: you ould enable bootlogd, "/msg dpkg bootlogd" but what you really likely want is a serial console |
| 21:54.47 | enouf | s/ould/could |
| 21:55.01 | iKs | Does anyone have infos about the xserver-video-nouveau package ? it needs linux-nouveau-modules (I'm not sure about the names but that's approximately it) but it's unavailable... |
| 21:55.04 | iKs | In experimental |
| 21:55.38 | enouf | piper69: for general $USER, usually you do your $SHELLrc file, so ~/.bashrc or ~/.bash_profile |
| 21:55.43 | iKs | xserver-xorg-video-nouveau* |
| 21:55.44 | enouf | or other shell |
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| 21:56.33 | piper69 | enouf: so i will do vi ~/.bashrc |
| 21:56.40 | enouf | sure |
| 21:56.43 | piper69 | if i am using bash |
| 21:57.11 | enouf | or $EDITOR, or sensible-editor, or nano, or whatever |
| 21:57.53 | mfaraci | enouf i would like a way to review the reboot process so i can see exacly what messages i had where the system hangs, there is a call trace and seg fault, i would like to review, it stops on deactivating swap |
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| 21:58.52 | enouf | mfaraci: i realize, you want to enable magic sysrq too, but serial console and/or gdb should maybe help |
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| 21:59.51 | tecky | anyone remember a game called Koolies ? |
| 22:00.07 | enouf | mfaraci: but .. i'd chekc your /etc/fstab for correct entries (maybe you don't have 'none' for swap and are trying to mount it?) and any all /etc/acpi/* settings like hibernation or suspend config files that point to a swap for resume= |
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| 22:01.19 | jelly | Squawk: apparently there is a tentative fix in experimental versions of xserver-xorg-video-intel. If you feel brave, you'll have to add experimental lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list, update, and aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel/experimental |
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| 22:02.49 | jelly | Squawk: it _will_ pull in newer xserver-xorg and some other stuff. My personal experience with debian xorg packages from experimental is good... they work at least as good as testing/unstable ones |
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| 22:04.31 | Bert_2 | Hi, how can I force dovecot to regenerate his SSL script (they have expired) without having it rest all his configuration files ? |
| 22:05.01 | iKs | Anyone know how I can check what video driver I'm currently using ? There is no 'Driver "whatever"' in xorg.conf |
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| 22:05.10 | Jadewolf | anyone know a way to get a 3c574_cs card to work with debian? |
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| 22:06.39 | mfaraci | thanks enouf |
| 22:07.04 | GD|Corp | Hello. I have a problem. Which I have never had before on my server. I reinstalled today because of some problem. And the (cd) seems to work and whole install but when I am done it restarts and then when there going to be a login there changes to "Enter runlevel:" I have tried to enter it but nothing happens after that. It is freezing. I have tried to reinstall 2 - 3 times now |
| 22:07.09 | GD|Corp | but got same problem. |
| 22:07.20 | GD|Corp | What I am doing for wrong? |
| 22:07.32 | mrnull_ | how can i tell which /dev my usb mic is? |
| 22:07.48 | GD|Corp | Its a hosting server |
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| 22:12.02 | GD|Corp | Someone know my problem? |
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| 22:13.14 | Zoup | i did recreated ext3 on already exist ext3 filesystem , while inodes are lost lde shows that lots of info are available in blocks , how can i automatic recover block to files using lde or any other utility ? |
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| 22:13.52 | scrutr | wats goin on, why cant i access my media drive even after ive moounted it? |
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| 22:14.46 | jetscreamer | you didn't use your uid scrutr |
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| 22:14.51 | Bert_2 | Hi, how can I force dovecot to regenerate his SSL script (they have expired) without having it rest all his configuration files ? |
| 22:14.58 | jetscreamer | scrutr: how did you mount it |
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| 22:16.28 | jetscreamer | Zoup: i know nothing.. except that there are backup inodes. not sure they're still there, but maybe |
| 22:17.05 | scrutr | mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/med |
| 22:17.18 | jetscreamer | and i know you can use the backup inodes to recreate the frontal ones (or whatever) |
| 22:17.25 | jetscreamer | scrutr: as root? |
| 22:17.30 | greeg | i need direct x to play a game on linux. what package to install? im invoking a windows game via wine. |
| 22:17.34 | scrutr | sudo |
| 22:18.07 | jetscreamer | scrutr: ah. ok easy enough. is it vfat? |
| 22:18.14 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 22:18.14 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 22:18.15 | scrutr | ntfs |
| 22:18.21 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 22:18.25 | jetscreamer | !rontfs |
| 22:18.34 | jetscreamer | !ntfsro |
| 22:18.34 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 22:18.55 | jetscreamer | use the gid uid fmask dmask in your mount command |
| 22:19.33 | jetscreamer | the problem is you mounted it as root so only root can access it |
| 22:19.50 | jetscreamer | but of course, only root can do mount... pmount no, but mount |
| 22:20.26 | jetscreamer | scrutr: if you want to write to it you need to use ntfs-3g, not the ntfs in the kernel |
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| 22:20.32 | jetscreamer | !ntfs-3g |
| 22:20.32 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 22:20.35 | Nyle | hey |
| 22:20.40 | jetscreamer | hey nyle dude |
| 22:20.44 | Nyle | sup |
| 22:20.57 | jetscreamer | just got home from the 102F outside work |
| 22:21.01 | Nyle | damn |
| 22:21.08 | Nyle | its pretty ok here |
| 22:21.35 | janK2 | would be better with a cold beer |
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| 22:22.25 | danielvrf | good night :) |
| 22:22.34 | jetscreamer | nn |
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| 22:28.09 | grulk | Hi guys, I have a small project in my. I have apache working to server a web aplication. During some hours the procesor goes to high and the computer hardware is not so new at all. What I have in mine is to create a web server cluster, do you know where can I fine information of it? |
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| 22:30.40 | janK2 | impatient fart |
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| 22:36.39 | master_of_master | hi, if I boot lenny in a VMware Server VM, I get a lot of this messages: "sd 0:0:0:2 rejecting I/O to offline device" |
| 22:36.43 | greeg | ya know the version of wine in the repos, wine-0.9.25, is older than dirt? i have backports too. |
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| 22:38.39 | Nyle | artfay |
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| 22:39.56 | themill | greeg: 1.0-rc1 is on backports.org |
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| 22:40.54 | greeg | themill: this is what i have in /etc/apt/sources.list deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 22:41.12 | greeg | and i did do an apt-get update |
| 22:41.19 | themill | greeg: check for yourself. apt-cache policy wine |
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| 22:42.14 | greeg | themill: mill there are two versions listed. how do i pick the one i want? |
| 22:42.28 | bonez45 | I get the following errors when attempting to boot with a new Ubuntu 8.x install disk: [545.339475] invalid compressed format (err=1) [545.343400] kernel panic - not syncing VFS unable to mount root fs on unknown - block (104,1) Suggestions? |
| 22:42.31 | themill | greeg: "aptitude -t etch-backports install wine" should work |
| 22:42.41 | themill | bonez45: ask #ubuntu |
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| 22:44.50 | greeg | themill: is aptitude better than apt-get? when i ran that line you gave me, it found a bunch of unused packages that apt-get never pointed out. |
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| 22:45.29 | simonrvn | greeg: it's a more complex tool that can handle more things |
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| 22:45.37 | _Zeuz_ | how can I grep this string: " 0 " from an stdout coming from cat $file ? |
| 22:46.14 | perriman | I have a problem creating a .deb package |
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| 22:46.24 | simonrvn | _Zeuz_: why are you catting the file when you could just grep it directly? |
| 22:46.29 | perriman | when i generate the .deb, it is empty... |
| 22:46.41 | perriman | only with debian files but not the project files |
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| 22:47.10 | simonrvn | _Zeuz_: the answer is right in front of you... |
| 22:47.19 | flawer | hi. I installed debian-install-dvd-amd64-1 of 5. Then I tried to install a linuxdriver from realtek, rtl8185l. The install didnt work out, so I tried to install ndiswrapper in hope for some fortune. That install didnt work either (make command). Ive installed build-essential. Ive tried with another driver that was installed by running make, it didnt work. Is this a normal thing? I.e.... |
| 22:47.20 | flawer | ...gentoo, everything worked fine from first install :/ |
| 22:47.52 | flawer | it's the lenny dvd |
| 22:48.53 | Lukemob | ehm, what was the command to broadcast a message? |
| 22:48.58 | Lukemob | wall seems to nt work |
| 22:49.07 | flawer | nothing seems to work in debian |
| 22:49.32 | flawer | and that surprises me with it's good reputation |
| 22:49.54 | perriman | all work in debian |
| 22:50.05 | boadicea | sorry and wall works perfectly ! |
| 22:50.19 | flawer | I installed the dvd, and 'make' doesnt work. |
| 22:50.19 | greeg | themill: why is aptitude asking me if i want to stop kdm? |
| 22:50.30 | greeg | can i safely skip that? |
| 22:50.49 | Lukemob | boadicea, wall "message"? |
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| 22:51.18 | adrianux | hi to all |
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| 22:51.32 | adrianux | I have a problem with compiz. I installed it but if I do "compiz --replace" xserver crashs with 3 errors: |
| 22:51.36 | adrianux | compiz (core) - Fatal: No GLXFBConfig for default depth, this isn't going to work. compiz (core) - Error: Failed to manage screen: 0 compiz (core) - Fatal: No manageable screens found on display :0. |
| 22:51.57 | adrianux | I activated AIGLX with radeon driver, but it does'nt start |
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| 22:52.21 | adrianux | anyone can help me with compiz? |
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| 22:53.11 | up365 | adrianux, there is #compiz-fusion channel maybe more expert help there |
| 22:53.39 | flawer | how do I update a whole system? how do I finish the install I started? I just had dvd #1 |
| 22:54.01 | adrianux | ok thanks up365 |
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| 22:54.39 | greeg | im just going to say no |
| 22:55.12 | greeg | themill: hey that line you gave me is removeing kdm |
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| 22:55.28 | abrotman | yay! |
| 22:55.41 | greeg | i dont want to remove kdm |
| 22:55.46 | abrotman | boo! |
| 22:55.54 | abrotman | i wasn't sure which was supposed to happen :) |
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| 22:56.35 | cire | i want to start a command on a server which shall be continued also when I disconnect from there |
| 22:56.40 | cire | how may I do this? |
| 22:57.32 | abrotman | nohup or screen |
| 22:57.36 | cire | thanks |
| 22:57.52 | abrotman | nohup probably requires less ..learning |
| 22:57.59 | abrotman | nohup <command> & |
| 22:58.23 | abrotman | screen is a better way in most cases |
| 22:59.29 | _Zeuz_ | anyone knows where can I change the background image for fluxbox? |
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| 23:02.25 | themill | greeg: why is it doing that? pastebin the command and output /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 23:09.32 | n3kl | Can someone tell my why m-a fails to build the nvidia driver on lenny? |
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| 23:11.15 | streuner | nvidia-glx is in lenny? |
| 23:11.23 | abrotman | n3kl: no nvidia junk in lenny? |
| 23:11.37 | deus___ | nvidia suxx on lenny >.< |
| 23:11.41 | deus___ | wait |
| 23:11.42 | streuner | !info nvidia-glx lenny |
| 23:11.44 | deus___ | not only on lenny ;D |
| 23:12.11 | streuner | dpkg> Package 'nvidia-glx' does not exist. |
| 23:12.11 | dpkg | streuner: I wish you would RTFM. |
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| 23:12.36 | streuner | Isn't there a factoid which mention that? |
| 23:12.51 | abrotman | !nvidia lenny |
| 23:12.51 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 23:12.51 | flawer | can someone tell me why ndiswrapper fails to build on lenny? |
| 23:12.55 | abrotman | how's that ? |
| 23:12.58 | n3kl | damnit! |
| 23:13.02 | n3kl | I just freaking upgraded |
| 23:13.19 | n3kl | I figured, oh, lenny goes stable in a couple months, things must work pretty well |
| 23:13.48 | streuner | flawer: no, why don't you just use the package? |
| 23:14.26 | flawer | streuner: is ndiswrapper on the lenny dvd #1? |
| 23:14.52 | streuner | good question :-) |
| 23:15.08 | streuner | i doubt that, but just /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 23:15.16 | n3kl | abrotman: where do I get the deb that dpkg is talking about? |
| 23:15.32 | abrotman | NFC .. packages.debian.org ? |
| 23:15.53 | flawer | he dosnt know =) |
| 23:16.26 | JonkoPA | abrotman, are you fammiliar with selinux? |
| 23:16.28 | streuner | flawer: hm, just download the packages and burn it to CDRW or DVDRW |
| 23:16.45 | abrotman | JonkoPA: probably not enough to help |
| 23:16.46 | JonkoPA | There doesn't seem to be enough support for on it on debian |
| 23:16.52 | abrotman | on lenny or etch ? |
| 23:16.58 | JonkoPA | stable |
| 23:17.10 | abrotman | pretty sure it's there |
| 23:17.12 | abrotman | !selinux |
| 23:17.12 | dpkg | from memory, selinux is NSA's port to Linux of the FLASK security Architectur, called Security Enhanced Linux. Also it can make your system unbootable if you uninstall it. http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3, or http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
| 23:17.28 | abrotman | IIRC etch was the first one with support |
| 23:17.30 | JonkoPA | It's there but the policy's in stable are no longerr maintained be origanal programmer. |
| 23:17.36 | JonkoPA | The policy merged |
| 23:17.52 | flawer | how do I make the packages in a lenny-dvd known for aptitude ? |
| 23:18.07 | streuner | apt-cdrom add? |
| 23:18.52 | streuner | or just use dpkg |
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| 23:20.55 | flawer | can I mount an ISO as if it was a cd? |
| 23:20.58 | flawer | dvd* |
| 23:21.03 | flawer | by using mount? |
| 23:21.16 | streuner | sure |
| 23:21.24 | Thoku | flawer: yes. mount -o auto test.iso test/ |
| 23:21.31 | streuner | but to use those packages (debs) just use apt-cdrom |
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| 23:21.40 | streuner | easier |
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| 23:22.07 | flawer | k |
| 23:22.08 | streuner | till you get your NIC to work |
| 23:22.22 | mcr | anyone have an experience that after "sudo -s", I can not run mount. It appears that my euid was not set to 0, only my uid. (mount cares) |
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| 23:22.31 | streuner | after that, just comment the line(s) in /etc/apt/sources.list then |
| 23:22.32 | mcr | I thought it might be selinux, but I made sure that was off. |
| 23:22.42 | Thoku | ah, I was wondering why you didn't just remove the cdrom from the sources.list |
| 23:24.24 | SerajewelKS | so what's the big deal with SIP anyway? |
| 23:24.39 | SerajewelKS | i standard sounds like a great idea, pity all the programs that use it on linux suck :( |
| 23:24.42 | SerajewelKS | a* |
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| 23:25.40 | mrnull_ | How can I find out what the name of my sound device is? I get sound.. I just don't see anything like /dev/dsp |
| 23:25.40 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: What is SIP? |
| 23:25.56 | streuner | mrnull_: /dev/dsp is OSS |
| 23:26.00 | WormFood | SIP is a protocol used with VoiP |
| 23:26.08 | streuner | mrnull_: or alsa emulation |
| 23:26.17 | Thoku | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol <--- That it? |
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| 23:26.47 | mrnull_ | streuner: i've got a few usb mics.. any guess? |
| 23:26.48 | streuner | mrnull_: in order to play? |
| 23:27.06 | WormFood | looks like it Thoku |
| 23:28.17 | SerajewelKS | Thoku: yes |
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| 23:28.25 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: ekiga ? |
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| 23:28.35 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it fucks up DTMF horribly |
| 23:28.38 | Thoku | coolio |
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| 23:28.55 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it almost works except for that |
| 23:29.08 | abrotman | ok |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | i'd just heard good things about it |
| 23:29.43 | Sling | fu(k this |
| 23:29.47 | Sling | why doesnt curlftpfs work |
| 23:30.02 | Sling | it just shutsdown after a few requests and then hangs your session |
| 23:30.12 | Sling | while nothing strange happens on the ftpd |
| 23:31.04 | Sling | transferring small file listings or single files works fine, but anything else.. |
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| 23:32.31 | SerajewelKS | i just pisses me off that everyone is all "don't use skype" (for reasons i agree with) but all the alternatives suck. really suck. |
| 23:32.41 | SerajewelKS | so skype it is for now... |
| 23:33.02 | abrotman | gizmodo ? |
| 23:33.05 | abrotman | is that what it's called? |
| 23:33.10 | SerajewelKS | gizmo? |
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| 23:33.32 | SerajewelKS | they have no amd64 build and the 32-bit one takes a constipated shit |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | thinks SerajewelKS has been conversing with Nyle too much |
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| 23:34.20 | SerajewelKS | not recently :) |
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| 23:34.27 | magyar | hi, how can I create/generate a xorg.conf file in lenny? |
| 23:34.27 | Nyle | dude |
| 23:34.45 | streuner | !drxx magyar |
| 23:34.45 | dpkg | magyar: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 23:34.47 | sladi | Does Totem-Gstreamer support v4linux? |
| 23:34.53 | Nyle | !lart abrotman |
| 23:34.53 | dpkg | hits abrotman with an anvil and laughs with a contralto voice ... Haha Ha HA Ha |
| 23:36.14 | SerajewelKS | the only option it has for DTMF is RFC2833 |
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| 23:36.26 | SerajewelKS | when i hit a DTMF button it just says "invalid parameter" about 10 times |
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| 23:37.46 | themill | SerajewelKS: feel free to submit patches |
| 23:37.56 | SerajewelKS | i'm not against SIP per se but all the software i can find that runs on linux breaks in very odd ways |
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| 23:38.22 | magyar | streuner: hmm, didnt do anyting about the video settings "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root |
| 23:38.38 | SerajewelKS | themill: because you have no other suggestion, right? |
| 23:38.49 | l337ingDisorder | are there any plugins for evolution that would provide popup notification windows for calendar appointments? |
| 23:39.00 | themill | SerajewelKS: ekiga works fine for me |
| 23:39.06 | SerajewelKS | themill: with DTMF? |
| 23:39.27 | themill | SerajewelKS: too long since I've tried... don't need it very often |
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| 23:40.06 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: If you are that bothered and have the no how why not try to make your own? |
| 23:40.21 | SerajewelKS | Thoku: if i had the know-how i'd fix ekiga... |
| 23:40.34 | themill | SerajewelKS: so (1) stop whining, we don't care (2) try being a positive influence rather than a negative one (3) submit patches |
| 23:40.41 | SerajewelKS | i can code C but SIP isn't something i have dabbled with much |
| 23:40.47 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: Whats the problem with ekiga? |
| 23:41.02 | SerajewelKS | Thoku: it apparently doesn't do DTMF, though it claims to |
| 23:41.58 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: uhm .. that seems like something that would be builtin |
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| 23:42.12 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: do you have a system notification area? it may do it here |
| 23:42.14 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: Maybe its in their plan. Personally, I have only ever used skype because my friends are on there. If there was an open source system that could interface with skype, like pidgin does with IM systems that I'd be happy to use that. |
| 23:42.17 | abrotman | s/here/there/ |
| 23:42.38 | SerajewelKS | Thoku: there will never be one unless someone breaks their encryption or they open their protocol |
| 23:43.08 | l337ingDisorder | abrotman: yeah it puts a tiny icon in the system tray... that's the only notification you get... so if you have your tray hidden by default there's no notification at all |
| 23:43.20 | SerajewelKS | i guess i'm just sick of the "OMG skype is horrible, use this SIP stuff" people |
| 23:43.30 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: cute |
| 23:43.45 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: Thats a shame. I didn't realise they had closed their system so much. |
| 23:43.48 | SerajewelKS | like open-source non-linear video editing. awesome in theory. like pulling teeth in practice. |
| 23:44.03 | l337ingDisorder | abrotman: i'd say frustrating... |
| 23:44.21 | l337ingDisorder | i was hoping there'd be a third-party plugin or something |
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| 23:45.32 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: in lenny .. i have two 'plugins' packages |
| 23:45.48 | l337ingDisorder | lenny? |
| 23:45.48 | SerajewelKS | themill: it is not my intent to whine. but i have spent the better part of six hours trying to find a client that will works, and im not in the best mood right now |
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| 23:46.42 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: I'm sure there is a project trying to crack the encryption |
| 23:47.08 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: which version of debian are you using ? |
| 23:47.12 | l337ingDisorder | abrotman: what is 'lenny' ? |
| 23:47.31 | SerajewelKS | Thoku: if skype uses anything stronger than 1024-bit asymmetric encryption, it will take some trillion years to break |
| 23:47.43 | themill | SerajewelKS: then /part, because you're not really helping here and you're not going to get answers. You could try asking in irc.gimp.net #ekiga but you'll have to work on your inter-personal skills before doing so else they'll also find you offensive and not answer you. |
| 23:47.51 | TJNII | I need to make apt-get "forget" about a few pckages. I installed them with apt and then installed over them from source so I don't want apt touching them. In gentoo I'd just erase them from the world file, but I do't know a equivalent action in Debian. |
| 23:47.54 | l337ingDisorder | abrotman: not sure.. whichever version of debian that ubuntu 8.04 is built on |
| 23:48.00 | flawer | my pci wifi card isnt discovered. what shuld one do then? |
| 23:48.09 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: uh .. show us `uname -a` |
| 23:48.34 | themill | TJNII: that's really not the way you want to do things... work with the package management system not against it. |
| 23:49.17 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: I had presumed there was some sort of conversation (network based) between skype and the server that wasn't encrypted. But I do get your point. If it is running on an SSL type system then it isn't going to work. Pretending to be the client might be the client might be only hope but thats really hard if you can't even see what your meant to be sending. |
| 23:49.18 | l337ingDisorder | abrotman: Linux (pc name) 2.6.24-19-generic #1 SMP Fri Jul 11 21:01:46 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: ask #ubuntu .. we don't support that here |
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| 23:49.41 | l337ingDisorder | hmm i guess i was misinformed - i thought ubu was built on deb |
| 23:49.44 | l337ingDisorder | ok thanks anyway |
| 23:50.00 | SerajewelKS | themill: ok. thus far you're the only one who's voiced any opinion about me being offensive. (though the lack of confirmation doesn't make it false.) |
| 23:50.09 | l337ingDisorder | though out of curiosity, what are these two plugin packs you have in 'lenny'? |
| 23:50.19 | l337ingDisorder | (and how does lenny feel about you inserting plugins into him??) |
| 23:50.26 | TJNII | themill: well the version in the package management system was _old_ so I installed over it. Now I don't want the package management system to touch that package as it will break things. So how do I "work with the package management system" to do that, hmmm? |
| 23:50.40 | themill | TJNII: are you trying to change compilation options or get newer versions? |
| 23:50.45 | themill | !versionsmite TJNII |
| 23:50.45 | dpkg | upgrades TJNII to uber-l33t version 42.1 without noticing the critical bug that this introduces. (Ask me about <version chasing>) |
| 23:50.46 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: packages.ubuntu.com/evolution .. now please go to #ubuntu |
| 23:50.46 | SerajewelKS | Thoku: indeed |
| 23:51.11 | l337ingDisorder | tx |
| 23:51.14 | SerajewelKS | Thoku: it's either network analysis or reverse engineering. one is impossible, one is illegal. |
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| 23:51.16 | themill | TJNII: newer != better. debian stable is exactly that... stable and well tested |
| 23:51.24 | TJNII | themill: I want apt to forget about some packages it once installed and not ttouch the files |
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| 23:52.01 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: I'd say very hard rather than impossible and yes you'd be done for reverse engineering. |
| 23:52.40 | SerajewelKS | Thoku: there's a point when something is improbable enough that it is effectively impossible. such is cracking a 1024+ bit asymmetric key :) |
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| 23:52.42 | themill | TJNII: you can't. You can either keep repeating yourself or start listening. The choice is yours. If you want to know how to do it the debian way, /msg dpkg backports.org |
| 23:53.12 | themill | TJNII: If it's not on backports.org, then consider making your own backport: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:55.01 | TJNII | themill, What are you talking about? I have a stable, working verson of one application that I handle on my own. I want apt to leave it alone and that is all. Do you know the answer to my question (because there is an answer), or do you want to argue the merits of running older versions? |
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| 23:55.40 | themill | TJNII: [00:53] <themill> TJNII: If it's not on backports.org, then consider making your own backport: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 23:55.46 | Thoku | SerajewelKS: Yes I agree that is near enough impossible but intelligently guessing the protocol between client and server is not. Presuming that the key generation conversation system can be mimicked given that it will be unencrypted and likely to be based off known systems e.g. diffie-hellman. |
| 23:55.59 | dondelelcaro | TJNII: if you want a newer version, backport a newer debian version. Working outside the packaging system will only lead to pain. |
| 23:56.05 | wols_ | Thoku: did you install it via apt? |
| 23:56.48 | Thoku | wols_: Ekiga? |
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| 23:57.00 | Thoku | wols_: Or skype? |
| 23:57.11 | wols_ | oops. was for TJNII |
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| 23:57.18 | badlook | hi! |
| 23:57.26 | dondelelcaro | Thoku: there are sip->skype gateways, if that's what you're looking for |
| 23:57.27 | jhanssen | dpkg, java |
| 23:57.27 | dpkg | i guess java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 23:57.37 | badlook | do someone use rfswitch? |
| 23:57.48 | TJNII | wols_, I did originally, but upgraded from source. |
| 23:57.50 | jhanssen | dpkg, install java |
| 23:57.51 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. |
| 23:58.00 | TJNII | Oh never mind, I'll figure it out on my own. |
| 23:58.02 | themill | wols_: [00:47] <TJNII> I need to make apt-get "forget" about a few pckages. I installed them with apt and then installed over them from source so I don't want apt touching them. In gentoo I'd just erase them from the world file, but I do't know a equivalent action in Debian. |
| 23:58.02 | abrotman | jhanssen: msg the bot please |
| 23:58.29 | themill | TJNII: I've told you the answer twice and so has dondelelcaro. There's nothing to figure out on your own. |
| 23:58.30 | Thoku | dondelcaro: I presume this means you can use a non skype client to talk with a skype friend? |
| 23:58.35 | tazle | hm, this is interesting |
| 23:58.37 | dondelelcaro | Thoku: right |
| 23:58.39 | jhanssen | abrotman, k sorry |
| 23:59.00 | badlook | anyone use rfswitch? |
| 23:59.02 | Thoku | dondelcaro: Awesome. |
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| 23:59.15 | greeg | using apt-cache policy i see two versions. how do i apt-get the version i want ? |
| 23:59.19 | tazle | causing load on a RAID array by mounting the filesystem and performing some I/O causes device timeouts, but running badblocks on the same array causes nothing |
| 23:59.27 | greeg | the default is not the desired one. |
| 23:59.29 | dondelelcaro | greeg: if it's not the prefered version, use =. man apt-get for details. |
| 23:59.44 | dondelelcaro | greeg: you can also use the aptitude curses interface if that's easier for you |
| 23:59.52 | tazle | I wonder if there are tools in Debian that could be used to cause more varied load on a block device than badblocks? |
