| 00:00.10 | Thoku | dondelcaro: Could you make any suggestions? |
| 00:00.16 | SerajewelKS | themill: at any rate i apologize if i offended you. after i get my frustration out i'm usually quite personable. :) |
| 00:00.30 | greeg | dondelelcaro: no, aptitude wants to uninstall kde |
| 00:00.33 | dondelelcaro | Thoku: google is how I found the ones that I know about. |
| 00:00.35 | themill | SerajewelKS: no worries. But seriously, file bugs and submit patches.... |
| 00:00.37 | dondelelcaro | greeg: kde is just a metapackage. |
| 00:00.39 | greeg | and other packages that i need thta is says is unused |
| 00:00.46 | greeg | so? |
| 00:00.49 | dondelelcaro | greeg: so mark them as manually installed. |
| 00:00.50 | themill | greeg: you never pastebinned that output for me... |
| 00:01.04 | dondelelcaro | greeg: aptitude unmarkauto kde; for example. |
| 00:01.23 | Thoku | dondelcaro: Hehe, "google n00b". Thanks :) |
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| 00:01.42 | Thoku | dondelcaro: That wasn't meant to sound sarcastic. I was just mocking myself. |
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| 00:02.07 | manu_hack | hi, is there a package to do some test as in this link: http://forums.bsdnexus.com/viewtopic.php?id=121 |
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| 00:02.15 | dondelelcaro | Thoku: http://www.voip-info.org/wiki-Skype+Gateways FE. |
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| 00:02.36 | win-user | hi |
| 00:02.59 | WormFood | does anyone have a clue as to why scim input suddenly stopped working with iceape? |
| 00:03.04 | win-user | how can I access my Windows ntfs partition from within debian? |
| 00:03.17 | dondelelcaro | manu_hack: ab in apache2-utils, FE. |
| 00:03.18 | SerajewelKS | win-user: mount it |
| 00:03.33 | WormFood | win-user, do you want to read/write or just read your ntfs partition? |
| 00:03.48 | win-user | It's my first day on linux, I don't even know what to mount means, notr how to enact that |
| 00:03.51 | greeg | dondelelcaro: thanx, im going to read up on apttitude. |
| 00:03.59 | greeg | and add that to my list of one liners |
| 00:04.03 | win-user | ideally read and write, but primarily read |
| 00:04.12 | WormFood | apt-get install ntfs-3g |
| 00:04.26 | WormFood | the ntfs-3g drivers will allow you to read/write your ntfs partition |
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| 00:05.19 | win-user | WormFood I simply type this into a console form root directory? |
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| 00:05.36 | win-user | sorry for my stupid questions |
| 00:05.44 | WormFood | win-user, I'll give you a big tip for learning Linux....forget all your old, and totally fucked up notions about how computers work....Linux is not windows, and windows does some totally fucked up shit.....Linux is hard to learn, but easy to use....windows is easy to learn, but hard to use |
| 00:06.13 | WormFood | yeah, type "apt-get install ntfs-3g" as root |
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| 00:06.49 | WormFood | but you may want to type "apt-get update" and "apt-get upgrade" first, to make sure everything else is up to date |
| 00:07.29 | abrotman | if he has backports.org on etch .. or lenny/sid ? |
| 00:07.49 | win-user | WormFood Thanks for the hints |
| 00:08.18 | DukGalNamu | alright, i tried yesterday, got ssl working properly on the server, still getting an error.... |
| 00:08.56 | WormFood | I've been using Linux since 1994/1995, and unix-like OSes since the late 1980s....you have to learn how unix works, and the ideas behind it....once you understand why things are done the way they are, you'll never want to touch windows again |
| 00:09.05 | win-user | Question #2 I installed debian on a friend's laptop (sony vaio) as well. Now under windows he has internet, and under debian he has not. even the installer could not connect. what went wrong? |
| 00:09.21 | WormFood | not enough information |
| 00:09.29 | WormFood | it could be any of a number of things |
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| 00:09.34 | win-user | :-( |
| 00:09.43 | win-user | ok |
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| 00:10.08 | WormFood | windows is designed with the philosophy that you are a complete and total idiot, and you are too stupid to know how to use a computer, so they hide many details from you....sadly, that makes it hard to understand how it works, and how to fix it |
| 00:10.13 | SerajewelKS | WormFood: that's possibly the best windows/linux comparison i've ever seen. simple and accurate. |
| 00:10.18 | win-user | #3 he uses a touchpad but the mouse is slower than a snail. in "system" "MOuse" we set speed to max, still no change |
| 00:10.54 | bzed | synaptics touchpads have their own settings |
| 00:11.04 | bzed | and kde + gnome both have tools to configure them |
| 00:11.05 | WormFood | thanks SerajewelKS ;) |
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| 00:11.18 | SerajewelKS | WormFood: though i'd replace "use" with "master" |
| 00:11.43 | WormFood | win-user, you'll need to figure out how your friends laptop is actually connecting to the internet...for example, if they are using pppoe, then you need to use pppoe under Linux (that is only an example) |
| 00:11.56 | wols_ | win-user: what network card does your friedn use to get online? |
| 00:12.54 | win-user | wols_ good question |
| 00:13.05 | manu_hack | thx dondelelcaro |
| 00:13.12 | WormFood | Linux has a steep learning curve...sorta like riding a bike....but once you get the hang of it, you'll be glad you don't have to use your windows training-wheels anymore |
| 00:13.13 | win-user | I only know he has a sony vaio with wireless connection |
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| 00:13.47 | WormFood | there is the possibility that his wireless card isn't supported under Linux |
| 00:13.59 | win-user | not at all?? |
| 00:14.08 | WormFood | sadly, wireless support under linux isn't the greatest, especially if your wireless card isn't well supported |
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| 00:14.23 | WormFood | you MAY have to use ndswrapper (or whatever its called, I don't use it) |
| 00:14.32 | win-user | don't all sony vaio's have the same card? |
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| 00:14.45 | WormFood | don't know what the viaos use |
| 00:15.11 | fixUp | n |
| 00:15.14 | WormFood | but I do remember a while ago, that sony was trying to get the viao supported under Linux, so I give them credit with that....don't know the current state of that now |
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| 00:15.40 | win-user | humm, ok |
| 00:15.45 | abrotman | win-user: find out which card it is .. it's likely supported in some fashion |
| 00:15.53 | WormFood | I personally replaced the wireless card in my laptop to get better Linux support...and it only cost me about $7.50 for the new (used) card :D |
| 00:15.58 | win-user | and the damn slow mouse cursor problem? |
| 00:16.00 | wols_ | win-user: pretty much no wlan is supported by the installer since almost all drivers need proprietary firmware at least |
| 00:16.24 | win-user | abrotman and once I know the version? is there a site where I can search for the driver or do I just use google? |
| 00:16.31 | WormFood | wols_, it depends on how old the card is...mine does not need any additional firmware, but it is an older card |
| 00:16.45 | WormFood | you can adjust the mouse speed, it should be trivial |
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| 00:17.01 | WormFood | I haven't had to adjust my mouse speed in so long, I don't even remember where it is |
| 00:17.38 | win-user | WormFood there is "System" Mouse" but if it's on max or min it makes no fdifference |
| 00:17.43 | WormFood | where do I report spam on freenode? |
| 00:17.48 | win-user | maybe touchpad doesn't count as a mouse for debian? |
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| 00:18.18 | roler | I just recently updated to the latest testing and php in the command line is segfaulting. anyone know of a fix? |
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| 00:18.46 | abrotman | win-user: you'd likely come back and ask us |
| 00:19.09 | win-user | abrotman :-) |
| 00:19.16 | WormFood | you may want to use the synaptics driver for the touchpad |
| 00:19.27 | greeg | !kde4 |
| 00:19.27 | dpkg | hmm... kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 00:19.35 | win-user | WormFood where is that synaptic driver? |
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| 00:19.52 | WormFood | I can't use the synaptics driver, because I have one of the rare laptops with 3 buttons, and synaptics breaks my middle button |
| 00:20.21 | WormFood | win-user, learn to use "apt-cache search"...you can find everything in there (ie. "apt-cache search synaptics") |
| 00:21.44 | win-user | WormFood "apt-cache search synaptics" in console? |
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| 00:22.11 | bzed | WormFood: my thinpad has 3 buttons, too... works well |
| 00:22.13 | WormFood | yes |
| 00:22.31 | WormFood | bzed, that is what I also have...a thinkpad T30 :D best laptop I've ever owned |
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| 00:22.49 | WormFood | bzed, but can you use the 3rd button with the synaptics driver? |
| 00:23.03 | WormFood | I want to turn off that god damn "tap to click" bullshit! |
| 00:23.09 | bzed | WormFood: I can imagine: but I think that is not supported by synaptics, but byt the normal mouse driver instead |
| 00:23.23 | WormFood | I know I can turn that off with the synaptics driver, but I don't want to lose my 3rd mouse button |
| 00:23.24 | kmeyer | WormFood: me too :D |
| 00:23.42 | WormFood | and I use my middle mouse button a LOT |
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| 00:23.56 | abrotman | see .. nubbies rule |
| 00:24.05 | WormFood | I think I use the middle mouse button more than the right button |
| 00:24.09 | bzed | WormFood: I think the touchpad works with the synaptic driver, but the nipple works with the normal mouse driver or something like that. not sure... did you look it up in the thinkwiki? |
| 00:24.27 | win-user | so the synaptic driver allows clicking by not using the button but by touching the pad? |
| 00:24.38 | bzed | win-user: yes |
| 00:24.44 | bzed | and all the other nice features |
| 00:24.48 | bzed | like scrolling |
| 00:24.56 | WormFood | I looked up a lot of shit, and spent a lot of time trying to get it to work...I eventually gave up, and I'm just living with that annoying tap-to-click shit |
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| 00:25.22 | WormFood | why in the fuck would anyone thing tap-to-click was a good idea? |
| 00:25.26 | WormFood | think* |
| 00:25.39 | bzed | WormFood: I think the t30 has an ALPS stickpointer... if I remember right that had to be configure somehow different... had the same problem with my R40, but that's pretty much dead these days... unfortunately |
| 00:26.24 | win-user | if tap to click means you need not use the button in order to click but do it on the pad itself then it's pretty much less noise |
| 00:26.35 | win-user | and a more central point |
| 00:26.43 | win-user | but that's just my opinion |
| 00:26.49 | WormFood | win-user, the tap-to-click is a feature of the firmware in your touchpad....the synaptics driver can turn it off....not sure if the synaptics driver can enable that if the touchpad does not have that feature....I can't for the life of me imagine why anyone would want that "feature" (more like a bug to me) |
| 00:26.53 | SerajewelKS | and it's usually less work to tap than to push down on a button. some of those buttons need to be pushed pretty hard. |
| 00:26.55 | kmeyer | it gets clicked accidentally *a lot* |
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| 00:27.11 | kmeyer | WormFood: right, it's horrible |
| 00:27.30 | kmeyer | SerajewelKS: right, but it ensures less accidental presses |
| 00:27.30 | djs | Hello all. May I please PM an op? |
| 00:27.34 | kmeyer | which is more of an issue for me |
| 00:27.41 | kmeyer | djs: go to #freenode if you want an op |
| 00:27.43 | WormFood | that and the "scroll" area on the side of the touch pads was a horrible idea too |
| 00:27.46 | win-user | WormFood: the pad has this feature but until know (without the synaptics) it doesn't work under debian, but it does on WIn, so it's supported by the pad itsel |
| 00:27.46 | win-user | f |
| 00:27.54 | SerajewelKS | kmeyer: actually the only real issue i have with it is sometimes it doesn't click when i want it to :) |
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| 00:28.18 | WormFood | win-user, it may not be supported by the pad itself, it could be the windows drivers that are giving you that ability to tap-to-click |
| 00:28.30 | djs | kmeyer, I am looking for a chanop here. |
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| 00:28.38 | WormFood | I think more people hate that "feature" than what like it |
| 00:29.03 | WormFood | I'm sure, someone fucked up, and they said "hey! this can be a feature" |
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| 00:29.14 | abrotman | djs: why? |
| 00:29.38 | djs | I have a request. |
| 00:30.03 | abrotman | for what? |
| 00:30.14 | DukGalNamu | yo.... updating ssl wont break any certs i have alread will it? |
| 00:30.21 | DukGalNamu | and it wont break apache will it? |
| 00:30.23 | abrotman | updating which ssl ? |
| 00:30.28 | DukGalNamu | libssl |
| 00:30.34 | abrotman | thanks .. got that |
| 00:30.35 | greeg | is KDE4 not yet complete? thats what the bot says in #Debian |
| 00:30.35 | abrotman | which versions |
| 00:30.44 | abrotman | greeg: ask #debian-kde |
| 00:30.50 | dondelelcaro | win-user: uh... it's worked under Debian for quite a long time |
| 00:30.52 | DukGalNamu | 0.9.6 -> 0.9.8 |
| 00:31.58 | win-user | can you suggest me an light and easy to use open source irc client for linux that's not console based? |
| 00:32.10 | WormFood | x-chat |
| 00:32.11 | win-user | (right now I'm on windows again) |
| 00:32.27 | SerajewelKS | win-user: xchat or smuxi |
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| 00:32.32 | DukGalNamu | irssi is the best though |
| 00:32.32 | WormFood | you can even use x-chat under windows (the windows version of course) |
| 00:32.38 | WormFood | also pidgin does irc |
| 00:32.47 | DukGalNamu | bitlbee! |
| 00:32.51 | WormFood | win-user, didn't you "apt-cache search irc"? :P |
| 00:32.53 | DukGalNamu | wait... |
| 00:32.54 | DukGalNamu | nm |
| 00:33.03 | win-user | I downloaded from x-chat.org already but could not open the file with double click |
| 00:33.18 | abrotman | djs: ? |
| 00:33.27 | WormFood | why? why not just "apt-get install x-chat"? |
| 00:33.32 | win-user | DukGalNamu thx |
| 00:33.34 | abrotman | because that won't work |
| 00:33.54 | win-user | WormFood because I'm a Windows user I don#t know these commands |
| 00:33.57 | WormFood | win-user, once again, this is not windows....many of your windows ways will not work |
| 00:33.58 | dondelelcaro | win-user: just aptitude install xchat; or use synaptic to do the same. |
| 00:34.22 | dondelelcaro | win-user: if you're not familiar with it, then you're going to want to spend some time reading the introductory documentation |
| 00:34.40 | WormFood | win-user, BTW, "synaptic" is not the same as "snyaptics"....they are 2 totally different programs |
| 00:34.53 | win-user | WormFood I know they might not work, but as long as I know not the alternative ways, I keept trying them |
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| 00:35.24 | win-user | gracias, dondeelcaro |
| 00:35.30 | WormFood | win-user, remember, that debian has almost everything that you would want...it is truly amazing....you'll be using "apt-get install ...." and "apt-cache search ...." a lot |
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| 00:36.10 | win-user | once I figure out these things, I'll surely like it |
| 00:36.13 | WormFood | sometimes I have to compile something from source, or install it manually, but not often |
| 00:36.53 | win-user | dondeelcarro: Is there a brief introduction that's not too detailed for a beginner? |
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| 00:40.28 | DukGalNamu | what do i need to do to apache to get it to switch to using php5 from 4? |
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| 00:41.02 | WormFood | why would you want to downgrade php? |
| 00:41.17 | win-user | thank you WormFood nd all the others for your help! |
| 00:41.23 | win-user | is going to bed now |
| 00:41.30 | win-user | g-nite yall! |
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| 00:41.43 | bzed | you should not downgrade php, you should purge it! |
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| 00:41.51 | WormFood | good night win-user |
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| 00:42.19 | w33d5 | i am running ubuntu server and looking for a good podcatcher with a web gui OR interface...any suggestions? |
| 00:42.46 | manu_hack | i have been using sid for a while, is it okay to change the sourcelist to testing and wait for the packages to catch up then I can go back to testing? |
| 00:42.47 | WormFood | try #ubuntu |
| 00:42.50 | abrotman | w33d5: #ubuntu |
| 00:43.10 | w33d5 | abrotman yeah i'm there....does it matter. |
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| 00:43.17 | DukGalNamu | oh shut up, i need it, i have no choice... |
| 00:43.26 | bzed | manu_hack: well.. chances are good that not all packages in sid will migrate to testing |
| 00:43.29 | abrotman | w33d5: yes, we don't support ubuntu here |
| 00:43.52 | bzed | manu_hack: but.. if you could live with that, you'll be fine |
| 00:43.58 | manu_hack | bzed: what are the bad consequences that if I were going to do that? |
| 00:44.10 | w33d5 | ok let me rephrase.... i am looking for a podcatcher with a web interface that i could run on a headless server |
| 00:44.21 | bzed | manu_hack: I'd keep unstable in the sources list, and configure apt to use testing by default |
| 00:44.30 | WormFood | w33d5, try #ubuntu |
| 00:44.31 | bzed | manu_hack: that works really well |
| 00:44.33 | DukGalNamu | w33d5: oh, well in that case.... |
| 00:44.36 | w33d5 | ahhh |
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| 00:45.01 | bzed | manu_hack: and you can alwaus install stuff from unstable if you need it. |
| 00:45.04 | manu_hack | ic, bzed , but is it possible to even go back to stable somehow at some point? |
| 00:45.21 | WormFood | why do people think that they can get #ubuntu support in #debian? |
| 00:45.45 | bzed | manu_hack: manu_hack testing was frozen a few days ago, so setting lenny instaed of sid in your sources list now could indeed work well |
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| 00:46.16 | bzed | manu_hack: probably with an exception that some packages which are in sid now will probably not be included in lenny |
| 00:46.31 | manu_hack | ok, but the apt -t option can be lenny? no? |
| 00:46.45 | bzed | manu_hack: you'll have to change it in the sources.list |
| 00:47.30 | manu_hack | ic, bzed, then the APT::Default-Release option should be set to testing? |
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| 00:48.00 | bzed | manu_hack: then you'll stick with testing. testing will be something different when lenny is released |
| 00:48.10 | bzed | manu_hack: change the sources.list to lenny, and you're fine |
| 00:48.37 | manu_hack | do I still keep unstable in source list? |
| 00:49.22 | Jorophose | So I've heard the (relatively new) kernel scheduler conflicts with old BIOSs? Is there some sort of cutoff line, like "all BIOSs before 1999", or is it hit-and-miss? I can't really update my BIOS and I want to upgrade to Debian Lenny =/ |
| 00:49.31 | bzed | manu_hack: if you want to move to stable, you should not keep it in there |
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| 00:50.18 | manu_hack | bzed: I know, it was a bad decision on that box as I was not sure that one would be a server |
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| 00:50.32 | manu_hack | thx bzed |
| 00:50.43 | manu_hack | know what to do |
| 00:50.49 | abrotman | bzed: would you say debian-user is an appropriate place to announce a linux expo/show ? |
| 00:51.18 | WormFood | anyone have any idea why scim suddenly stopped working with iceape? it was working last week, but not now...even after a reboot |
| 00:51.41 | bzed | abrotman: there're debian-events lists, I think that's the better place |
| 00:51.49 | WormFood | it is very frustrating to have to type into another app, then copy/paste it into iceape |
| 00:52.40 | abrotman | bzed: uh .. that's pretty dead .. but okay |
| 00:53.04 | abrotman | it is what it is |
| 00:53.07 | bzed | abrotman: yeah... but well... I guess posting it to -user can't be bad.. |
| 00:53.22 | abrotman | bzed: worst is a mass flaming :) |
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| 00:53.38 | bzed | abrotman: that's nothing bad, that's the daily shit ;) |
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| 00:54.05 | rm_you | what is the X application that lets you link Xservers on different machines together so you can mouse between them? I *almost* remember the name... |
| 00:54.18 | cafuego | Speaking of announcing, the linux.conf.au CFP closes next week. Submit eary and often! |
| 00:54.22 | \amethyst | rm_you: x2x ? |
| 00:54.40 | abrotman | synergy ? |
| 00:54.56 | rm_you | i dont think it was x2x, but that does appear to accomplish the same thing :P |
| 00:55.04 | bzed | synergy rocks |
| 00:55.13 | bzed | but afaik it's not encrypted... |
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| 00:56.00 | rm_you | ah maybe it was xtest? |
| 00:56.06 | abrotman | synergy ? |
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| 00:56.17 | rm_you | no, but synergy looks awesome :P |
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| 00:56.29 | rm_you | i stopped caring what it was anymore, these programs should work fine |
| 00:56.43 | rm_you | no reason to be set on a specific one |
| 00:57.16 | mcr | re:http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Debian/2003-08/3001.html |
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| 00:57.31 | mcr | I was getting the 'Authentication service cannot retrieve authentication info.' |
| 00:57.47 | mcr | when calling su, but the suggested fix to nsswitch.conf did not help. |
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| 00:59.51 | manu_hack | I can't live without synergy |
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| 01:00.47 | cafuego | Synergy is Western Australia's largest energy retailer. Based in Perth. |
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| 01:01.39 | LemensTS | l |
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| 01:02.13 | Phoul | !mailinglist |
| 01:02.13 | dpkg | mailinglist is, like, at http://lists.debian.org |
| 01:02.19 | Phoul | .mailinglist |
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| 01:03.04 | abrotman | Phoul: need help ? |
| 01:03.26 | Phoul | Yeah, Im wondering if theres a mailing list which is open to the public that notifys of updates to a specific branch |
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| 01:03.50 | abrotman | you mean .. sends you an email every day of the updates in 'etch' or 'unstable' ? |
| 01:04.03 | Phoul | uhh, yeah |
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| 01:04.14 | cafuego | Phoul: Know about cron-apt ? |
| 01:04.15 | Phoul | Just for Test :P |
| 01:04.24 | solid_liq | Phoul: if you say so |
| 01:04.38 | Phoul | hey solid_liq |
| 01:04.45 | Phoul | and i ment for the test branch, not sid or etch |
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| 01:05.09 | solid_liq | heya |
| 01:05.31 | cafuego | Phoul: cron-apt can do a test upgrade run and mail you alist of what it would do. That's essentially the same, but only for packages you actually use. |
| 01:06.07 | Phoul | Im looking more for a mailing list of -everything- that was updated that day, not just what i have installed |
| 01:06.30 | cafuego | Hmm, I wouldn't hold my breath. |
| 01:07.05 | cafuego | But it should be relatively easy to hack together an script that diffs todays Packages with yesterdays Packages. |
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| 01:10.19 | ApOgEE- | away pi opis |
| 01:10.41 | solid_liq | anyone had this error in Sid? gdm[4072]: segfault at 7672657f ip b77993c2 sp bff10590 error 6 in libglib-2.0.so.0.1600.3[b7746000+af000] |
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| 01:11.38 | Coweater | Phoul: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ uses a script that does something like that |
| 01:12.04 | cafuego | solid_liq: No. |
| 01:12.11 | NTfails | is JFS more fast than ext3 |
| 01:12.29 | abrotman | !tell ApOgEE- about away |
| 01:12.29 | cafuego | had a squid segfault in etch though today and an amavis one on lenny last week. |
| 01:12.37 | cafuego | NTfails: Use ext3. |
| 01:12.57 | NTfails | thats not my question and why use ext3? it is a pig with my disk space |
| 01:13.20 | cafuego | NTfails: If you need to ask, you should use ext3, not something that's less stable. |
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| 01:13.34 | cafuego | Perhaps XFS at a pinch, but probably ext3. |
| 01:13.37 | NTfails | its journalled so its stable |
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| 01:13.45 | mcr | my understanding is: JFS is faster for big files, that do mostly read from beginning to end, i.e. it's better than ext3 for storing videos. |
| 01:13.46 | cafuego | !pal NTfails |
| 01:13.46 | dpkg | points at NTfails and laughs hysterically |
| 01:13.59 | cafuego | NTfails: Just like ext4 eh? |
| 01:14.07 | NTfails | !pal dpkg |
| 01:14.07 | dpkg | points at dpkg and laughs hysterically |
| 01:14.23 | Phoul | is there a way to see if 'selinux' is running |
| 01:14.30 | cafuego | Phoul: run 'sestatus' |
| 01:14.40 | Phoul | I've never actually messed with selinux but i noticed i have a policy thing starting on boot |
| 01:14.42 | NTfails | well i want my 7gb back from ext3 |
| 01:14.53 | cafuego | NTfails: Well, that's trivially easy. |
| 01:15.07 | Phoul | Hrm, What is the policy boot process used for if SELinux is off? =| |
| 01:15.09 | NTfails | i already did the tune2fs |
| 01:15.11 | NTfails | thing |
| 01:15.29 | Phoul | policycoreutilsis the process im refering too |
| 01:15.59 | cafuego | NTfails: Did you also divide by 1.024? :-) |
| 01:16.25 | Nyle | !+info ntorrent |
| 01:16.27 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 01:16.33 | cafuego | NTfails: And did you tune2fs the percentage as well as the number of blocks. |
| 01:16.36 | NTfails | yes |
| 01:16.45 | NTfails | I think its all the inodes ext3 has |
| 01:16.48 | dpkg | Package 'ntorrent' does not exist. |
| 01:16.57 | NTfails | ext3 is a HUGE PIG with inodes |
| 01:17.11 | cafuego | Welp, then maybe try XFS. |
| 01:17.25 | Phoul | is the policycoreutils useful to have running on boot if your not using SELinux? |
| 01:17.34 | cafuego | sparse_super is on as well I presume? |
| 01:18.22 | Phoul | hmm, nope, sorry i was having a brain fart i hsoulda just looked at the script lol |
| 01:18.24 | Phoul | shuts up |
| 01:18.43 | NTfails | yes |
| 01:18.46 | deb_user | anybody give me some clues on how these attacks are originating from one of my servers |
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| 01:18.56 | NTfails | I heard xfs is like reiserfs and fails easily |
| 01:18.58 | deb_user | here is the link to the script http://alamal-de.com/db/on.txt |
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| 01:19.17 | deb_user | but i don't see anything suspcious in any of my logs |
| 01:19.25 | cafuego | NTfails: Then I can't help further. I don't knowe enough about ext3 to be able to determine if "I think its all the inodes ext3 has" actually makes any sense or not. |
| 01:20.00 | NTfails | I have searched everything about ext3 and it appears its all the inodes ext3 preallocates at MKFS time |
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| 01:20.26 | abrotman | df -i ? |
| 01:20.55 | NTfails | /dev/sda2 29130752 1649023 27481729 6% /home |
| 01:21.24 | cafuego | NTfails: Then I suppose you should ask yourself if data security is more important than 7GB of disk space (which costs $0.95 at last count) |
| 01:21.43 | abrotman | going once! |
| 01:21.51 | NTfails | umm JFS ext3 xfs reiserfs are all journalled |
| 01:22.05 | NTfails | So what makes ext3 special with recovery |
| 01:22.09 | cafuego | NTfails: That has *nothing* to do with anything. |
| 01:22.33 | abrotman | how is this a Debian question ? |
| 01:22.36 | cafuego | NTfails: ext3 has seen the most development and testing. it's codebase is stable. |
| 01:23.16 | NTfails | reiserfs+xfs are dead |
| 01:23.31 | cafuego | No, they're not. |
| 01:23.51 | cafuego | reiser4 isn't what I'd call stable though. XFS is seeing development. |
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| 01:23.58 | Phoul | solid_liq, check your PM |
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| 01:24.44 | NTfails | ok then reiser3 is dead |
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| 01:25.13 | cafuego | Also quite irrelevant. |
| 01:25.33 | NTfails | the lead developer is in jail |
| 01:25.38 | cafuego | Also quite irrelevant. |
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| 01:26.02 | NTfails | alright this talk about filesystems is going nowhere |
| 01:26.16 | cafuego | well, you started it |
| 01:26.19 | abrotman | how is this a Debian question ? |
| 01:26.31 | NTfails | and i am ending it |
| 01:26.47 | NTfails | abrotman: the filesystems are in the kernel so its a debian question |
| 01:26.56 | abrotman | are you even running debian? |
| 01:26.56 | cafuego | the question is never is X faster, but is X less likely to lose my data. |
| 01:27.08 | NTfails | I dual boot debian and mandriva |
| 01:27.23 | cafuego | for JFS I'm not convinced, and if you didn't manage to get an answer via google, you should use ext3. |
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| 01:27.39 | NTfails | JFS is supported |
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| 01:27.53 | abrotman | if you don't like our answers .. ask somewhere else |
| 01:28.00 | abrotman | i'd use ext3 over jfs too |
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| 01:28.11 | dondelelcaro | we support lots of filesystems, many of which are totally insane for real usage. |
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| 01:29.14 | crazy-man | hi |
| 01:29.25 | Phoul | Just out of plain curiosity, Is it more reccomended for removing folders to rm -r or rm -rf |
| 01:29.26 | crazy-man | i installed a distro based on debian |
| 01:29.28 | Phoul | i know -f is just force |
| 01:29.29 | crazy-man | 64 studio |
| 01:29.43 | crazy-man | and need to config the net |
| 01:29.50 | crazy-man | can some one help? |
| 01:29.51 | cafuego | Phoul: depends on the file eprms and if you have aliass rm to rm -i |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | crazy-man: ask them for support |
| 01:29.59 | NTfails | r is recursive |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | crazy-man: or ##linux |
| 01:30.07 | Phoul | im aware of what r is... |
| 01:30.08 | crazy-man | hmm |
| 01:30.23 | crazy-man | i think its very near the debian way |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | we don't support "based on debian" in #debian |
| 01:30.45 | crazy-man | ok |
| 01:30.47 | crazy-man | thanks |
| 01:30.49 | Phoul | cafuego, i found rm -i a little annoying just because if im removing something i mean to do it |
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| 01:32.05 | cafuego | Phoul: Yup, same here. but for beginners it's helpful. |
| 01:32.19 | Phoul | Im not a beginner, i just never bothered to find out and it was buggin me |
| 01:32.19 | Phoul | lol |
| 01:32.50 | Phoul | cuz i know rm -r works but i was always told to use -f aswell, but i never really understood why |
| 01:32.51 | WormFood | Phoul, just edit your .bashrc or .bash_config file to remove that alias |
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| 01:33.02 | Phoul | I guess if it works with just -r you dont need -f |
| 01:33.07 | Phoul | WormFood, i dont have the alias lol |
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| 01:33.14 | WormFood | yes you do |
| 01:33.18 | Phoul | Do i |
| 01:33.26 | Phoul | How do you know what alias's i have? |
| 01:33.41 | WormFood | type "alias" |
| 01:33.50 | Phoul | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:34.53 | WormFood | because I've rooted your box :P |
| 01:34.53 | WormFood | hehehe |
| 01:34.53 | Phoul | You wish ^_^ |
| 01:34.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | no you haven't! |
| 01:35.05 | massmc | maybe rooted his ass |
| 01:35.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | another guy has |
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| 01:36.34 | Phoul | WormFood, what service did you come in over to root my box? ;) |
| 01:36.47 | abrotman | stop already |
| 01:36.54 | Phoul | awe... |
| 01:36.58 | WormFood | you know I'm just pulling your leg |
| 01:37.11 | Phoul | Yes i do, I just like to watch people flounder |
| 01:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | not much going on in here |
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| 01:40.38 | greeg | i just organized my firefox book marks. how can i ensure that when i leave the Bookmarks Manager, it wont go back to the way it was prior to organizing the bookmarks? |
| 01:40.49 | greeg | i recall that happening to me in the past. |
| 01:41.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | these guys at amazon.com have a wicked sense of humor... ordered an usb wireless adapter and an usb cable so I can have it fixed somewhere with good reception........ now they tell me they decided to ship the cable separately "to give you quicker service" |
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| 01:41.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | gah, and it's still bra-time :( |
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| 01:42.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | greeg: don't let firefox crash directly afterwards? |
| 01:42.11 | assem | is this a linux wireless mouse howto floating around somewhere? |
| 01:42.27 | greeg | nothing crashes |
| 01:42.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | greeg: you can check in the bookmarks.html file if your changes are already saved |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | assem: which kind of wireless ? |
| 01:42.40 | assem | sorry, optical |
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| 01:42.47 | abrotman | optical shouldn't matter at all |
| 01:43.00 | assem | can't get mine to work |
| 01:43.03 | abrotman | usb or ps2 .. should be the same as a ball mouse |
| 01:43.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | assem: I can give you a quick one: "plug it in" |
| 01:43.17 | assem | 'lol' |
| 01:43.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | assem: think I should put it up on the web somewhere so more ppl can profit? |
| 01:44.04 | assem | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe u should follow thru with what ur nickname started |
| 01:44.06 | Vasistha | enouf: thanks again for your advice a few weeks ago; I've finally gotten around to installing lenny on this new box, and the video worked perfectly, out-of-box :) |
| 01:44.36 | De_Mon | where is dhcpd server supposed to log? I just restarted the service and don't see any logging in syslog? |
| 01:44.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | assem: meaning you want a sausage-inna-bun? |
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| 01:45.47 | enouf | Vasistha: way sweet - no idea what i said .. but cool ;-) |
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| 01:46.46 | Vasistha | enouf: heh :) you just said that there have been lots of changes within the set [xorg, ati] since etch, and since lenny is frozen, I'm ready to switch anyway |
| 01:47.02 | enouf | Vasistha: ;-) |
| 01:47.33 | Vasistha | now I just need to get this wireless driver working :P ipw2200: unable to load firmware (but I haven't even searched google yet) |
| 01:47.48 | amphi | !ipw2200 |
| 01:47.49 | dpkg | The module is built into the kernel from etch onwards but you need the firmware to make the card work. Run "/sbin/modinfo ipw2200 |grep version" to get your driver version. Go to http://ipw2200.sf.net/firmware.php and download the firmware matching your driver version. Unpack it into /lib/firmware. See http://wiki.debian.org/ipw2200. For sarge, ask me about <ipw2200 build>. See also <ipw2200 troubleshooting> |
| 01:48.03 | Bogus8 | when I do apt-get upgrade it says it's holding back openssh packages (which as I understand the old ones are compromised)... how do i correct this? (etchy) |
| 01:48.06 | enouf | why search google - we have dpkg and amphi ;-) |
| 01:48.14 | amphi | enouf: ;) |
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| 01:48.20 | amphi | !:e |
| 01:48.21 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 01:48.22 | abrotman | Bogus8: dist-upgrade |
| 01:48.26 | enouf | ... |
| 01:48.38 | abrotman | amphi: don't make me spork you |
| 01:48.44 | Bogus8 | abrotman: doesn't that attempt to upgrade me to the new version of debian? |
| 01:48.45 | amphi | flees |
| 01:48.54 | enouf | hurls capt. quint upon abrotman |
| 01:48.55 | Vasistha | wow, thank you amphi, that looks like pretty good advice |
| 01:49.16 | enouf | Jaws and all :-P |
| 01:49.33 | Tapout | I'm not the only one, but ... those that use Lighttpd+fastcgi+php5-cli .. with default settings, php gets ran as 'root'... not www-data like lighttpd is.. somehow it's happening. Another guy has the same problem. We're using the etch-backports version .. 1.4.19 .. Just letting ya'll know just incase :) |
| 01:49.40 | amphi | Vasistha: welcome - ipw2200 always worked well for me |
| 01:49.47 | abrotman | Bogus8: not if your sources are correct |
| 01:50.07 | enouf | !sources.list |
| 01:50.08 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 01:50.08 | Bogus8 | abrotman: gulp... here goes nothing |
| 01:50.19 | Vasistha | amphi: yeah, I'm glad to have a computer with such a radio inside it! |
| 01:50.23 | amitz | I want to speed up my ssh server response. I have 2 lenny on 2 identical hardware, but ssh of one is slower than the other. I don't know the difference between those two. What info do I have to paste here? |
| 01:50.25 | cafuego | Bogus8: if you didn't poit sources.list at a newer debian, it cannot do that. It will instead grab new depends. |
| 01:50.45 | cafuego | if you get this now, your openssh has been broken for a long, long time too. |
| 01:51.03 | amitz | slower ssh: response from initiating ssh to asking for password is too long. |
| 01:51.03 | abrotman | hey .. that's bad! |
| 01:51.13 | Bogus8 | looks like it's working... why is this the way it has to be? |
| 01:51.17 | cafuego | amitz: Fix your entropy. |
| 01:51.18 | enouf | Bogus8: you DO have a security line right? |
| 01:51.21 | Bogus8 | why doesn't a straight upgrade work? |
| 01:51.34 | cafuego | Bogus8: Because a straight upgrade never installed NEW pcakges. |
| 01:51.34 | enouf | because |
| 01:51.39 | Bogus8 | enouf: I'm fairly certain... been a while since I looked in there though |
| 01:51.48 | enouf | cat the sucker already |
| 01:51.51 | Bogus8 | cafuego: Ah, and the blacklist is needed |
| 01:52.00 | cafuego | Bogus8: yup |
| 01:52.17 | Bogus8 | cafuego: gotcha... makes sense... I just never heard about the compromised keys before |
| 01:52.37 | cafuego | Bogus8: Ps: you've been running potentially running with compromsied ssh keys for at least a month, so regenerate them all. |
| 01:52.38 | amitz | cafuego: I just googled entropy and lenny. Can you be more specific? |
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| 01:52.56 | Bogus8 | cafuego: will do... how compromised are they in reality? |
| 01:52.59 | cafuego | amitz: One box has enough entrpoy to set up the conection quickyl, the other does not. |
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| 01:53.29 | cafuego | Bogus8: Anyone who captured the traffic can decrypt your session. |
| 01:53.41 | Bogus8 | wow, that's pretty compromised! |
| 01:53.45 | cafuego | Bogus8: Whther there would be any point to them going that is another matter i suppose :-) |
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| 01:54.02 | Bogus8 | cafuego: doubt that was happening here... but I get the drift |
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| 01:54.08 | cafuego | Bogus8: Same goes for ssl certificates generated with the broken openssl. |
| 01:54.09 | enouf | the entropy was limited to 32768 or something |
| 01:54.19 | enouf | and .pem |
| 01:54.20 | Bogus8 | cafuego: would they only see traffic or would they be able to recreate the keys and get in themselves? |
| 01:54.26 | cafuego | the random generator returned '4' ;-) |
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| 01:54.42 | cafuego | Bogus8: if they saw the traffic they may have snooped passwords |
| 01:54.52 | enouf | Bogus8: "/msg dpkg dsa1571" as the topic mentions |
| 01:55.05 | Bogus8 | cafuego: but if it was key access only then it wouldn't matter right? |
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| 01:55.33 | cafuego | Bogus8: Not really i guess, unless you used the same password on other machines. |
| 01:56.21 | Bogus8 | cafuego: right... ok, nothing to fear here as everything is under key but I could see this being a problem on a large network |
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| 01:57.02 | cafuego | only took me a day and a half to regenerate all ssh keys on all servers and clients and fix the CA and the ssl certs |
| 01:57.36 | abrotman | only :) |
| 01:57.49 | cafuego | that was meant sarcastically ;-) |
| 01:58.13 | cafuego | who is the DD i invoice for my time? ;-) |
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| 01:58.24 | amitz | cafuego: I'm talking about how 2 different lenny servers can be connected. The 1st server is slow in initial response. The 2nd server is fast in initial response. Which entropy are you refering to? |
| 01:58.41 | cafuego | amitz: the one in /dev/random, which is needs to set up the connection. |
| 01:59.12 | abrotman | cafuego: bello ? |
| 01:59.19 | cafuego | bloody cold fingers, typing bad |
| 02:00.19 | tvynr | Hello, all. I'm installing Debian on my brand shiny new laptop and I'm having one last weirdness with the wireless. When I use ifup wlan0 to start the card, I get the message "EAPOL-Key Replay Counter did not increase - dropping packet" in my /var/log/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.log. But if I start wpa_supplicant by hand and dhclient by hand as well, it works great. |
| 02:00.27 | tvynr | Anyone have any idea where I would start in approaching this problem? |
| 02:01.11 | amitz | cafuego: I set up both servers. I never mess with both /dev/random or anything similar, at least directly. How can one server always have better entropy than the other? Is there any relevant package that is likely influencing /dev/random? |
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| 02:02.05 | cafuego | amitz: disk activity, other crypto activity... |
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| 02:04.55 | neonlightning | is there a way to control how much bandwidth is given to a device on my usb controller because my usb controller at present doesn't have enough bandwidth to have my mouse and cam on it |
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| 02:06.16 | AcTiVaTe | neonlightning: That must be one ancient computer I'm guessing. I have oodles of USB devices. Incl mouse and cam. And then some |
| 02:06.42 | neonlightning | its a socket 370 system need i say more |
| 02:06.48 | lymeca | I'd like to install gnuplot on my server (no X11) but the gnuplot package depends on gnuplot-x11... what gives? |
| 02:06.51 | amitz | cafuego: http://n0tablog.wordpress.com/2007/11/24/running-out-of-entropy-in-debian-etch/ said my auth.log and system.log will contain a mention about entropy problem. But I dont have that entry. |
| 02:07.06 | Vasistha | tvynr: maybe you need to set up a pre-up that does the wpa_supplicant -- perhaps that is not being done properly by ifup |
| 02:07.15 | AcTiVaTe | neonlightning: Well, I must say I had loads of probs with USB on this nForce 780 but I added acpi_use_timer_override and that works for me ;) |
| 02:07.34 | tvynr | Vasistha: From ifup -v wlan0: wpa_supplicant: /sbin/wpa_supplicant -B -P /var/run/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.pid -i wlan0 -D wext -q -f /var/log/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.log -c /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf |
| 02:07.45 | lymeca | It even says in the gnuplot-x11 package description: "it is however packaged separately so that low-end systems don't need X installed to use gnuplot. " |
| 02:07.58 | neonlightning | i have no clue where that is added even |
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| 02:08.01 | lymeca | Why on earth is it packaged separately if you need to install it to install gnuplot? |
| 02:08.15 | tvynr | Vasistha: It definitely starts wpa_supplicant because then wpa_supplicant proceeds to write to the /var/log/wpa_supplicant.wlan0.log file. Thanks for the suggestion, though. |
| 02:08.22 | Vasistha | tvynr: Do you use that very same command to start wpa_supplicant by hand? |
| 02:08.32 | tvynr | Vasistha: Yep. |
| 02:08.40 | tvynr | Vasistha: Well... wait a sec. I didn't daemonize it by hand. |
| 02:08.45 | tvynr | Vasistha: Lemme see if that changes it. |
| 02:10.39 | tvynr | Vasistha: Whoah. Daemonizing the WPA supplicant keeps it from working. |
| 02:10.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: ?? gnuplot-nox: Depends [...omitted] Suggests: gnuplot-x11 |
| 02:11.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: Suggests != Depends |
| 02:11.16 | tvynr | Vasistha: Er. Maybe. Lemme play around for a sec. :) |
| 02:11.44 | lymeca | CutMeOwnThroat: Ah, okay... but gnuplot depends on gnuplot-x11 |
| 02:11.54 | lymeca | So I don't need gnuplot OR gnuplot-x11? |
| 02:11.57 | lymeca | That's confusing. |
| 02:11.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: no, it *suggests* it |
| 02:12.03 | Vasistha | tvynr: hehe, have fun. I'm trying to get wireless working, too :D |
| 02:12.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:12.12 | tvynr | Vasistha: Anything I can do to help you? :) |
| 02:12.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: you mean gnuplot - I think gnuplot is just the metapackage, that installs "all gnuplot stuff" |
| 02:12.28 | Vasistha | tvynr: I'll let you know ... I think I've got it under control, though! |
| 02:12.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: just go for gnuplot-nox |
| 02:12.39 | ninjaslim | what shell is /bin/sh on Debian or is it a symlink to bash |
| 02:12.58 | lymeca | CutMeOwnThroat: Damn. I already installed it... |
| 02:13.12 | lymeca | Is there an easy way to undo an operation in aptitude? |
| 02:13.24 | abrotman | ninjaslim: ls -l /bin/sh |
| 02:13.44 | ninjaslim | abrotman: not on a Debian system, which is why i'm asking |
| 02:13.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: actually, you should just read the packet description with apt-cache show gnuplot - that's what it's for and it sais: This package is for transition and to install a full-featured gnuplot supporting the X11-output. If you want to skip the X-windows-dependency (e.g. if you're running a small server) just install "gnuplot-nox" and skip this meta-package. |
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| 02:13.59 | abrotman | on my box it's bash |
| 02:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: I don't really see how that could be more clear :) |
| 02:14.26 | lymeca | CutMeOwnThroat: Right, I suppose I should've read the package descriptions of all 3 of them. |
| 02:14.28 | ninjaslim | abrotman: i see, i though debian developed ash for |
| 02:14.28 | ninjaslim | P |
| 02:14.36 | ninjaslim | OSIX compatibility/portability |
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| 02:14.43 | abrotman | ninjaslim: dash |
| 02:14.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: well, you should read the one of gnuplot when and if you are going to install that |
| 02:14.59 | ninjaslim | abrotman: yeah, but i would've assumed that was the default |
| 02:15.19 | abrotman | why? |
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| 02:16.24 | lymeca | CutMeOwnThroat: Weird, gnuplot-nox depends on libwxgtk2.6-0, which depends on certain graphics libraries such as libglu1-mesa and libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 02:16.31 | lymeca | Why is this? |
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| 02:17.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: and that actually makes perfect sens - gnuplot-nox is gnuplot withoug the X stuff. gnuplot-x11 contains *just* the x11 stuff and depends on gnuplot-nox and "gnuplot" is a metapackage that installs both, so people don't start wondering why "apt-get install gnuplot" doesn't work |
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| 02:18.25 | tvynr | the heck... |
| 02:18.33 | tvynr | it seems to behave better if I use more verbose logging...? |
| 02:18.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: not the 4.0.0 version, though - seems there was a bit of a dependency explosion since then. |
| 02:19.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | lymeca: file a bugreport, if you think it can do without some of the dependencies (and should) |
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| 02:20.03 | lymeca | CutMeOwnThroat: I don't know if I know enough to be sure that it doesn't need those X11 libraries. |
| 02:20.15 | lymeca | It just seems odd to me, as it's supposedly the non-X11 version |
| 02:20.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | indeed |
| 02:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially the libxdamage1 one |
| 02:21.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/1// |
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| 02:21.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | also libext |
| 02:21.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | libxrender etc. |
| 02:21.51 | tvynr | Where might I get a list of the legal WPA options to put in the /etc/network/interfaces file? |
| 02:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | e.g. "man interfaces" |
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| 02:22.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think |
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| 02:22.26 | tvynr | CutMeOwnThroat: It doesn't have any WPA info. :) |
| 02:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | don't see it right now, though :( |
| 02:23.25 | Vasistha_ | yay, wireless working :) |
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| 02:24.15 | Vasistha_ | tvynr: tried google? :P |
| 02:24.19 | Nyle | google sucks |
| 02:24.33 | Vasistha_ | Nyle: alternate recommendations? |
| 02:24.44 | Nyle | none |
| 02:24.48 | Nyle | google it is |
| 02:25.28 | wols | tvynr: /usr/share/doc/ for the wpa supplicant package or maybe the docs for wireless-tools |
| 02:25.38 | Vasistha_ | giyf? maybe not? :P well, google did a good job protecting people's private data from viacom. |
| 02:26.34 | tvynr | Vasistha_, wols: Yep; it's in /usr/share/doc. I'm not used to that place having useful stuff. |
| 02:26.41 | Vasistha_ | alright, next problem: grub-install fails! |
| 02:26.46 | tvynr | Vasistha_, wols: It tends to be a bit... lacking. :) |
| 02:27.03 | Vasistha_ | tvynr: I always go there for the aptitude documentation |
| 02:27.09 | wols | tvynr: that's a misconception |
| 02:27.26 | Vasistha_ | "The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
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| 02:28.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | tvynr: how weird - I remember the page with examples and all very well... but if it's not the manpage to interfaces... I'm at a loss what it was :) |
| 02:28.27 | tvynr | CutMeOwnThroat: Well, the manpage is useful in many ways. But it doesn't discuss the WPA options 'cause that's a wpa_supplicant thing. |
| 02:28.43 | enouf | tvynr: tell me where this doc is on your HDD http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-wpa/wpasupplicant/trunk/debian/README.Debian?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
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| 02:30.20 | tvynr | enouf: Yeah, the /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant has it. I've just seen a lot of packages where there's little to no useful documentation in there. |
| 02:31.13 | dondelelcaro | tvynr: ideally the manpages have all of the documentation you need, but not everything has manpages. When they don't (or they're not complete), you need to look in that place for documentation |
| 02:31.39 | Vasistha | crap. forgot to make a boot partition outside of the lvm. I guess that means I have to use lilo. darn it darn it darn it, wish the installer warned me about that. |
| 02:32.02 | Vasistha | hum, now what ....... |
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| 02:32.08 | dondelelcaro | it doesn't warn you; it just chooses lilo for you |
| 02:32.15 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: you can always go back and repartition |
| 02:32.16 | tvynr | Well, strangely enough, adding wpa-debug-level 3 seems to have fixed my problem. |
| 02:32.24 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: though restarting the installer is the easiest way |
| 02:32.29 | tvynr | And I've brought the interface down and up a dozen times to be sure. |
| 02:32.32 | tvynr | Strange. |
| 02:32.45 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: yeah, I guess it's either that or ... learn how to use lilo :) which probably wouldn't hurt me too much |
| 02:32.59 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: yeah; personally though, I'd just reformat |
| 02:33.12 | dondelelcaro | Vasistha: it's easier in the long run |
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| 02:36.05 | tvynr | Is anyone else having trouble with configuring xserver-xorg of version 1:7.3+14? |
| 02:36.16 | tvynr | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg skips half the options for me and writes a bad file. |
| 02:36.54 | Vasistha | dondelelcaro: lilo is that bad, huh? alright, I will figure out a way to do this. |
| 02:37.07 | abrotman | tvynr: it's supposed to be mostly autodetected now |
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| 02:38.12 | Vasistha | So, I have a VG; on it are three volumes, one of which is not mounted. Although '/' is mounted on one of the volumes in the VG, is it possible to shrink the entire VG and create another partition alongside it (to be used for /boot)? |
| 02:38.31 | tvynr | abrotman: You mean the X server will autodetect everything for me on startup? |
| 02:38.41 | abrotman | AIUI .. supposed to |
| 02:39.03 | cafuego | Vasistha: I guess, but why bother? Booting off LVM should be fine with an initrd. |
| 02:39.19 | tvynr | abrotman: Oh, neat. Cool. |
| 02:39.27 | abrotman | sure .. if it works :) |
| 02:39.28 | Vasistha | cafuego: because I don't like lilo? :P |
| 02:39.29 | tvynr | abrotman: I'm guessing setting up TwinView and the like still requires hand-tuning. :-P |
| 02:39.49 | abrotman | i'd guess .. |
| 02:39.52 | tvynr | Next task: getting my KDE theme preferences over to the laptop... ;) |
| 02:40.06 | amitz | cafuego: It seems you're almost certainly right. I just need to test some more to verify. That server was almost never touched and typing actually increase entropy and speed up ssh initial connection. |
| 02:40.25 | amitz | cafuego: thanks |
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| 02:43.24 | Vasistha | tvynr: my experience is that it's a pita :P have fun sifting through ~/.kde/share/config and ~/.kde/share/apps, and don't forget ~/.qt |
| 02:44.01 | cafuego | amitz: Ah. ok. I never saw the syslog entropy entry here and i've had to wait half an hour for dnssec-keygen to create a damn key :-) |
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| 02:44.29 | Vasistha | I wish *configuration* was better segregated from *data* within $HOME; and furthermore, that user-adjusted configuration was segregated from default configuration :P |
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| 02:45.06 | enouf | Vasistha: try even navigating through kcontrol . .. wintendo weenie madness |
| 02:45.33 | Vasistha | enouf: happily I know where everything I want is by now! and I'm honestly pretty happy that kde 4 is not in lenny |
| 02:45.47 | enouf | heh |
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| 02:54.08 | cafuego | regedit^Wgconf ft! |
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| 03:04.32 | coffee1 | WAAHHHAHA FWA FWA FWA |
| 03:04.33 | coffee1 | I WIN |
| 03:04.35 | coffee1 | SUCCESS |
| 03:04.49 | coffee1 | game over. |
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| 03:10.14 | coffee1 | meth meth meth |
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| 03:11.22 | JyZyXEL | lol seriosly VNC sucks so bad |
| 03:11.30 | JyZyXEL | its even slow when loopbacking |
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| 03:12.19 | coffee1 | dont hate on VNC |
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| 03:12.27 | coffee1 | i wrote that program in mips asm |
| 03:12.29 | coffee1 | wasn't easy |
| 03:12.36 | coffee1 | appreciate the software i write for you f***s |
| 03:12.44 | JyZyXEL | lol sure you did |
| 03:12.47 | coffee1 | MIPS ASM |
| 03:12.55 | coffee1 | did it in an afternoon |
| 03:12.59 | coffee1 | and then i ordered some pizza |
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| 03:13.01 | JyZyXEL | sure you did |
| 03:13.02 | coffee1 | ate that |
| 03:13.05 | JyZyXEL | uh huh |
| 03:13.13 | coffee1 | and then i went to the park |
| 03:13.14 | coffee1 | walked my dog |
| 03:13.18 | coffee1 | it was a vivid day i remember it all |
| 03:13.20 | JyZyXEL | yea i like to do everything in asm |
| 03:13.23 | coffee1 | so do i |
| 03:13.27 | coffee1 | i write my high school essays in asm |
| 03:13.29 | Vasistha | coffee1: if you don't have a debian question could you please be quiet? |
| 03:13.32 | coffee1 | sorry |
| 03:13.32 | n3kl | Can someone tell me if the nature of wpa_supplicant has changed between lenny and etch? I just upgraded to lenny and now my wireless does not work. |
| 03:13.36 | coffee1 | ON TOPIC PLZ |
| 03:15.10 | JyZyXEL | lol VNC kinda acts weird when you loopback it |
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| 03:16.33 | coffee1 | i would comment on that, but it would be off topic |
| 03:16.36 | coffee1 | so i will refrain |
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| 03:18.01 | n3kl | Anyone? |
| 03:18.15 | Vasistha | n3kl: well, it looks like the version changed from 0.5.5 to 0.6.4, which might be a significant jump :P |
| 03:19.15 | n3kl | The docs in /usr/share look the same though, but nothing works on startup |
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| 03:28.34 | Akuw | is there any application to open .mpp files (Microsoft Proyect) |
| 03:32.06 | n3kl | Anyone know how I might monitor my wireless network performance? |
| 03:32.35 | cafuego | cacti? |
| 03:32.42 | n3kl | cafuego: how? |
| 03:32.48 | cafuego | via snmp |
| 03:32.57 | n3kl | cafuego: I know about cacti, but how would you expect to monitor wireless |
| 03:33.21 | cafuego | n3kl: Check SNR at one or more points. |
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| 03:33.49 | cafuego | n3kl: or you could copy a file of a specific size and track the time it needs. |
| 03:34.00 | n3kl | hmm |
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| 03:34.21 | n3kl | My wireless seems to be flaking out just today |
| 03:34.40 | cafuego | if you think *that* is bad |
| 03:34.59 | cafuego | I just accidentally changed the postfix mysql password on the production server and started rejecting mail |
| 03:35.02 | coffee1 | i think you seem to be flaking out today |
| 03:35.03 | coffee1 | omg keep it ontopic |
| 03:35.19 | coffee1 | smacks himself |
| 03:35.30 | n3kl | cafuego: lay off the drugs man |
| 03:35.55 | cafuego | I haven't had any what you could consider illicit drugs for nigh on a decade now |
| 03:36.04 | coffee1 | meth |
| 03:36.07 | coffee1 | am |
| 03:36.10 | coffee1 | fetties! |
| 03:36.19 | Akuw | is there any application to open .mpp files (Microsoft Proyect) |
| 03:36.28 | n3kl | cafuego: no asprin? |
| 03:36.29 | cafuego | nooo, just weed or hash |
| 03:36.43 | cafuego | n3kl: you consider aspirin an illicit drug? |
| 03:36.58 | n3kl | You bet |
| 03:37.05 | cafuego | well, silly you |
| 03:37.18 | cafuego | had it prescribed actually |
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| 03:37.36 | cafuego | less fun than morphine but more fun than being stabbed |
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| 03:39.00 | n3kl | I bet that sucked to have all you mail rejected |
| 03:39.06 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:39.12 | lkthomas | if I use pam_mkhomedir module |
| 03:39.33 | lkthomas | does it means any method to login to system without home dir will be create by system ? |
| 03:39.42 | lkthomas | no matter samba, ssh ..etc ? |
| 03:41.22 | n3kl | Whats with the new numbers on the left in the lenny kernels? |
| 03:41.35 | n3kl | On boot up, that is. |
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| 03:41.56 | ptman | n3kl: time since boot? |
| 03:42.01 | coffee1 | DEBBBBYYY!!!!!! |
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| 03:42.11 | n3kl | Ahhh |
| 03:42.14 | needhelp | !ntfs-3g |
| 03:42.14 | dpkg | somebody said ntfs-3g was a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 03:42.16 | n3kl | ptman: that a new lenny thing? |
| 03:42.38 | n3kl | needhelp: you can /msg dpkg privately ya know |
| 03:42.46 | needhelp | ohhh ok |
| 03:42.53 | needhelp | i thought i not auth can't pm sorry |
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| 03:43.31 | n3kl | you can, its just rude, but dpkg is a bot, I am sure it won't mind |
| 03:43.48 | needhelp | anyway i try to apt-get ntfs-3g.. it says depends on libfuse2 but 2.5.3-4.4 is to be installed broken packages :< |
| 03:44.45 | n3kl | !tell needhelp about backports |
| 03:45.23 | needhelp | oh ok i can install now thx |
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| 03:52.42 | se7en_ | 2.6.26-0.slh.5-sidux-686 |
| 03:52.45 | se7en_ | ups |
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| 03:54.09 | needhelp | i'm copying a bunch of files into serveral harddisks, eg /dev/hda1 /dev/hda2 on /mnt/1, /mnt/2 .. when 1 gets fill up, how do i know from which files to copy to 2? |
| 03:54.20 | needhelp | so that there are no duplicates |
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| 04:02.23 | WormFood | needhelp, use "diff" to figure out which ones are copied |
| 04:03.00 | WormFood | needhelp, unfortunately, unless you specify which files to copy, you are not going to know what order they are copied in |
| 04:03.12 | Jester45 | what the difference between a pentium 4 stepping 2 v stepping 7 |
| 04:03.22 | Jester45 | same family and class |
| 04:03.42 | WormFood | 5 |
| 04:04.06 | needhelp | ic thx.. i was thinking of using rsync maybe it will transfer in sequence? |
| 04:04.17 | WormFood | there are web sites out there that explain that, but good luck finding them |
| 04:04.24 | WormFood | not sure, I haven't used rsync in years |
| 04:04.32 | WormFood | sorry, can't help more, I gotta go |
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| 04:04.54 | n3kl | rsync rocks the shiz! |
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| 04:06.08 | n3kl | can someone tell me how I can keep my ssytem from trying to resume from swap? |
| 04:07.06 | Jester45 | swapoff |
| 04:07.35 | Tramp | nonsense. |
| 04:08.11 | jeffspeff | is there a way to get libc6 >= 2.6 without upgrading system to lenny? |
| 04:08.32 | Tramp | n3kl: I think, there is a kernel-parameter like "noresume" or something like that (at least for tuxonice). You'll have to google it. |
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| 04:09.17 | n3kl | Tramp: ah, thats a good start, thanks |
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| 04:12.21 | Jester45 | is in love with entropy |
| 04:13.05 | Jester45 | im cating /dev/random to lower it and watch entropy drop down |
| 04:13.08 | Jester45 | much fun |
| 04:14.47 | Nioco_ | hi, i have a problem trying to import a lib in python. When i type "from opencv import highgui" i get this error "ImportError: /usr/lib/libhighgui.so.1: undefined symbol: img_convert". Note that i have installed python-opencv previusly. |
| 04:15.57 | Nioco_ | does anyone knows if that is a bug? |
| 04:16.06 | Nioco_ | or im doing somethin wrong |
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| 04:20.19 | needhelp | hi i understand that "ls > file.txt" will save the output in the file.txt.. how can i continue adding into the list from another directory? |
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| 04:20.55 | doff | ls /other/directory >> file.txt |
| 04:20.57 | se7en_ | ls >> |
| 04:21.03 | needhelp | ohhh thanks! |
| 04:21.36 | needhelp | what are those >> << > < parameters called so i can google them up |
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| 04:22.38 | nitro44x | stdin stdout redirection ? i believe think :) |
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| 04:22.49 | nitro44x | i think* .. lol |
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| 04:25.17 | zog-vsl | is there a version of debian-installer about tweaked to install direct to raid10 ? |
| 04:25.24 | cratorp | this is probably a terrible question to ask here (sorry!) but how can i getl firefox 3 on my new debian install? |
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| 04:25.45 | needhelp | oic.. anyway how to ls with full directory path so that i can have a list of files with the pathnames?? |
| 04:25.50 | streuner | !ff3 |
| 04:25.51 | dpkg | it has been said that ff3 is just exactly the same code base as version 3.0rc3, which only has a MacOSX-only fix more than 3.0rc2, which is what we already have in debian as iceweasel 3.0~rc2-1. Debian/testing Lenny users can add a sid repository and use apt-get -t unstable install iceweasel to get it . Back up your ~/.mozilla in the case iceweasel3/firefox3 doesn't play nice with 2.0 version's settings Etch users ask me about <firefox 3 etch> |
| 04:26.30 | streuner | cratorp: no worries |
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| 04:26.50 | pickcoder | zog-vsl: I don't think the md software supports RAID10 |
| 04:27.03 | pickcoder | I think RAID6 was in development, but I don't keep up with it |
| 04:27.10 | zog-vsl | pickcoder: there is mentions of it |
| 04:27.37 | Dacs | can someone please point me/guide me. i saw once a guide that shows how to setup apache +php+mysql for debian and i can't seem to find it!! |
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| 04:27.56 | balasyum | hi |
| 04:27.59 | pickcoder | ah.. you can do it manually |
| 04:28.08 | cratorp | how do i add a sid repository? then what would the command be to install firefox3? |
| 04:28.08 | balasyum | how can I use gftp with ssl? |
| 04:28.13 | pickcoder | not sure if the installer supports it, though |
| 04:28.28 | pickcoder | I don't normally do softRAID |
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| 04:29.11 | streuner | !ftp must die |
| 04:29.11 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 04:29.16 | se7en_ | needhelp: i don't know what yoU are trying to do have a look apt-catch show tree Description: displays directory tree, in color |
| 04:29.17 | zog-vsl | pickcoder: i like the linux softraid, but i still have a few things to try |
| 04:29.53 | pickcoder | streuner: heh |
| 04:30.04 | Dacs | long live SSH |
| 04:30.24 | pickcoder | zog-vsl: the last box I put MD on gave me hell when something screwed up in the initrd |
| 04:30.36 | balasyum | streuner, how are you transferring files, then? |
| 04:30.47 | streuner | scp? |
| 04:30.49 | Dacs | apache+php+mysql howto please |
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| 04:30.56 | zog-vsl | pickcoder: yeah thats the only hassle, trying to work around that by having /boot on a USB key |
| 04:31.14 | balasyum | and how can you trust your clients using scp? |
| 04:31.20 | balasyum | chrooting them immediately? |
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| 04:32.01 | mrwoody | Hi *. If I run 2 Xorg (:1 and :2) would the system use more of my graphic card memory or just the RAM for that? |
| 04:32.19 | pickcoder | balasyum: scp-only shell |
| 04:32.55 | balasyum | how do you create one for that, pickcoder ? |
| 04:33.21 | pickcoder | apt-cache search scponly |
| 04:33.31 | balasyum | ow :( |
| 04:34.12 | balasyum | thank you |
| 04:34.16 | pickcoder | change the user's shell |
| 04:34.30 | pickcoder | you can also add a chroot to that |
| 04:34.55 | pickcoder | I setup a GForge site not long ago and had lots of fun patching sshd |
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| 04:38.11 | pickcoder | off to bed |
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| 04:41.10 | greeg | hi |
| 04:44.18 | greeg | this is my computer, how can i tell what video card driver and/or Xserver is needed (to play games). |
| 04:44.22 | greeg | http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/prodinfoCategory?lc=en&cc=us&dlc=en&product=71721 |
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| 04:45.57 | streuner | greeg: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 04:46.02 | exobyte | Do the rx packet counts in ifconfig go up when iptables blocks a packet? |
| 04:46.29 | greeg | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 04:48.24 | streuner | greeg: What does 'lspci -v | grep -i vga' say? |
| 04:49.04 | greeg | streuner: 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82810E DC-133 CGC [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03) (prog-if 00 [VGA]) |
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| 04:49.44 | greeg | but it's built into the motherboard |
| 04:50.09 | greeg | i didn't know integraded cards show up under lspci. |
| 04:50.11 | greeg | anyway... |
| 04:50.23 | greeg | whats the recomended driver? what from lspci tells you that. |
| 04:51.12 | exobyte | greeg: integrated devices are usually hard-wired to the pci bus |
| 04:51.19 | exobyte | greeg: or on the north/south bridge |
| 04:51.43 | greeg | ok |
| 04:51.58 | greeg | apt-cache search intel | grep video provides 5 packages |
| 04:52.06 | balasyum | does anybody use scponlyc? |
| 04:52.10 | balasyum | I cannot make it work |
| 04:52.20 | exobyte | greeg: (and the southbridge has the pci bus, so even that stuff is generally pci) |
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| 04:53.46 | greeg | ok so the AMD64 is out. |
| 04:53.58 | greeg | xserver-xorg-video-intel vs xserver-xorg-video-i810 |
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| 04:55.47 | greeg | they both have the same description under apt-cache search |
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| 04:57.18 | orzo | what if debian made /etc a working directory for a local subversion repository and whenever you install a package, it's conf files would be added to the repo and then an update would be performed in /etc? Then you could easily see your configuration changes and revert them to teh package maintainer's versions |
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| 05:01.40 | greeg | i want to back up my current xorg settings. i have both /etc/X11/xorg.conf but whats xorg.conf.20080729165348 ? |
| 05:01.44 | greeg | and which is most recent? |
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| 05:02.17 | freezer | hi |
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| 05:02.44 | freezer | anyone knows how to install debian on the eeepc |
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| 05:06.08 | deadlyallance691 | i am kind of a newb to linux and was thinking could i install the ubuntu server 64bit base system then add the dreamlinux repos and install the dreamlinux desktop environment so as to end up with a 64 bit dreamlinux? |
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| 05:09.00 | niru | Can I use a data card to send sms |
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| 05:09.05 | niru | to mobile phones |
| 05:09.22 | niru | And it should not be a http involved |
| 05:09.29 | niru | Is it possib;e |
| 05:09.40 | niru | sending sms through a standalone tool on the desktop |
| 05:09.48 | niru | that will use the datacard |
| 05:09.51 | niru | to send sms |
| 05:10.02 | mimcpher | deadlyallance691, you mentioned you're a bit newb, and combing distributions wouldn't be that easy. You should just pick a distro. |
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| 05:10.43 | Dacs | !AMP |
| 05:10.43 | dpkg | [amp] an Audio MPEG Player. [non-free], or apache mysql php |
| 05:10.47 | deadlyallance691 | i am not looking for easy :) |
| 05:10.50 | mimcpher | niru, Yes, that should be possible. |
| 05:11.19 | Dacs | !how to setup AMP |
| 05:11.35 | niru | mimcpher, how? any document |
| 05:11.49 | greeg | im not having anyluck with my game to play with my video card. i set the xserver to both intel and i810 |
| 05:11.57 | greeg | and the game output ---> Couldn't set video mode: Couldn't find matching GLX visual |
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| 05:12.03 | greeg | am i still missing something ? |
| 05:12.03 | vilemaxim | any Citadel guys around... Reading the docs now and it says I need to run for .aide command, but it is not a bash command. So I'm guessing I have to be login in somehow to citadel. any clue here? |
| 05:12.47 | mimcpher | niru, it would depend on the drivers supporting it, but at a minimum gsmsmsd can send messages. |
| 05:13.14 | mimcpher | niru, http://www.pxh.de/fs/gsmlib/doc/gsmsmsd.html But there are probably better applications. |
| 05:13.16 | niru | mimcpher, ok |
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| 05:18.02 | freezer | is there a difference between dd and cat, if I write something to some device? |
| 05:19.30 | Dacs | as root why do i get this error "E: Couldn't find package update" when i "apt-get install update" |
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| 05:20.15 | vilemaxim | Dacs: apt-get update |
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| 05:20.28 | vilemaxim | Dacs: no install |
| 05:20.54 | Dacs | vilemaxim: i though so, http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_debian_lamp_server |
| 05:21.29 | vilemaxim | freezer: not sure about that.. I thin cat is more for text dumping |
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| 05:21.50 | freezer | they use zcat to write a boot image to a usb stick |
| 05:22.05 | freezer | but i dont have zcat under windows, so i wanna use dd |
| 05:22.15 | vilemaxim | freezer: dd is more to do with devices... I use cat everyday and dd only sometimes.... I use dd to make an iso from a cd |
| 05:23.13 | vilemaxim | freezer: zcat is for compression. |
| 05:23.55 | freezer | ya because the image is gzipped |
| 05:24.02 | freezer | but i would extract it before using dd |
| 05:24.13 | vilemaxim | freezer: I guess these commands do more than I now... Which is a little scary since I use them so much |
| 05:24.13 | streuner | hm |
| 05:24.23 | freezer | i have to find a faster ap |
| 05:24.24 | freezer | brb |
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| 05:26.15 | freezer_ | re |
| 05:26.37 | breedx | on lenny/sid amd64, bug 492513 - digikam is still giving me grief even after upgrading....anybody else confirm? |
| 05:26.41 | martman | using tasksel, would picking web server+sql database give me a lamp server? |
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| 05:29.35 | lymeca | If I take a single MD5 hash and dump it into a text file with no other characters, can I run john on it and have it try and break that MD5 hash? |
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| 05:31.04 | Jemt | Greetz. Is there some ID or similar that is unique to my computer? I use a program on multiple computers and need to know which computer I use. The program is based on Java and a Shell Script |
| 05:32.15 | kmeyer | Jemt: hostname, ip, mac address...? |
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| 05:32.43 | Jemt | kmeyer: None of them is unique so that won't cut it :) |
| 05:32.55 | Jemt | kmeyer: Sorry, MAC is |
| 05:33.06 | kmeyer | MAC is sort of unique |
| 05:33.11 | kmeyer | but IP is often unique enough |
| 05:33.16 | kmeyer | and FQDN's are usually unique |
| 05:33.24 | freezer_ | macs can be faked |
| 05:33.27 | Jemt | kmeyer: But a lot of Linux Boxes dosn't support the network interface card so I can't obtain the MAC |
| 05:33.36 | kmeyer | huh? |
| 05:34.00 | Jemt | I need something else. Like a CPU ID maybe |
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| 05:34.58 | freezer_ | you can create kind of a hash sum for different values like mac/ip/bios version etc. |
| 05:35.06 | freezer_ | and then assign the hash to the pc |
| 05:35.33 | freezer_ | so you take several values together |
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| 05:37.35 | Jemt | freespace: Again, anything to do with the network won't be useful as lots of NICs are not supported. But BIOS information sounds like a good idea |
| 05:42.47 | Jemt | I wonder if I could just dump the content of a folder on the file system, using that as my unique identifier - or create an MD5 check sum of the content |
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| 05:48.46 | niru | mimcpher, is that for mobile phones that have gsm |
| 05:48.57 | niru | mimcpher, or i can send to any mobile |
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| 05:49.34 | mimcpher | niru, I think it should be usable with any mobile, its just most of the time its gsm, since its most popular. |
| 05:49.40 | lkthomas | guys, why debian does not have /etc/pam.d/system-auth ? |
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| 05:50.09 | niru | mimcpher, I dont see any package named gsmsmsd |
| 05:50.18 | niru | mimcpher, is the package name smssend |
| 05:50.29 | mimcpher | niru, I don't know. I didn't set it up when I used it |
| 05:50.37 | mimcpher | but check out smssend. |
| 05:50.48 | niru | mimcpher, ok |
| 05:51.13 | niru | mimcpher, is kannel only through http |
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| 05:51.42 | sixtyby3 | Hello all, I'm having trouble installing debian using a netinst image. I've followed the directions on the Debian installation guide for installing off a USB stick. The iso image is just not detected. What can I do? |
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| 05:59.35 | DukGalNamu | alright... downgraded to php4.... |
| 05:59.51 | DukGalNamu | now the main page doesn't wanna load, FF wants to download it |
| 05:59.57 | DukGalNamu | :\ |
| 06:00.16 | DukGalNamu | debians layout is teh brokenz |
| 06:01.49 | DukGalNamu | ok seriously... |
| 06:01.56 | DukGalNamu | i checked online, nothing... |
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| 06:04.38 | Jemt | DukGalNamu: Are you blaiming Debian for your broken PHP installation ? |
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| 06:05.20 | Jemt | Never the less, gotta go. But PHP5 works great for me with Debian Etch |
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| 06:19.24 | rmrfchik | damn, mangle from ia32-libs-tools is broken |
| 06:19.36 | rmrfchik | mangle: ia32-libs-tools/mangle.cc:231: size_t PkgDepAnd::parse(std::string&, size_t): Assertion `is_name(s[offset])' failed. |
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| 06:22.05 | DukGalNamu | http://xkcd.com/149/ |
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| 06:24.06 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 06:39.07 | jezez | do you have to do anything special to enable sound in debian? |
| 06:39.14 | jezez | i just install it, my account is in audio group |
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| 06:42.47 | cr3 | hi |
| 06:43.40 | needhelp | hi, i trying to rsync a list of files from a txt file eg: 'cat filelist.txt | xargs -i rsync '{}' / =avP |
| 06:43.52 | needhelp | hi, i trying to rsync a list of files from a txt file eg: 'cat filelist.txt | xargs -i rsync '{}' / -avP' is that correct? |
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| 06:49.07 | cr3 | once again |
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| 06:51.39 | cr3 | i'v upgraded the kernel by installing kernel dummy package, as suggested here: www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/kernel-upgrade.jspx, which was succesfull, and now I have 2 more entries in GRUB. however, this kernel doesn't have nvidia modules in /lib/modules/2.6.25 etc. etc. what causes Xorg not to run. what do i need to do? |
| 06:52.01 | the-dude | cr3: module-assistant |
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| 06:56.42 | cr3 | ok i don't quite understand... do i need to install anything? the modules are already in old kernel module dir... also, 'package' mentioned in manual is meant to be *deb package? can't i just copy necessary files from old dir? |
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| 07:02.52 | cr3 | lmao xD m-a --help|tail -1 |
| 07:03.09 | cr3 | the-dude: thx |
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| 07:04.59 | cr3 | so, 'package' in m-a man is like, the name of the module? because 'nvidia'... and one of the files is e.g. 'nvidia.ko'.... |
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| 07:05.39 | DukGalNamu | alright, seriously, why does apache no longer recognize php? |
| 07:05.57 | Sling | #apache |
| 07:06.41 | Sling | and AddHandler |
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| 07:06.42 | DukGalNamu | addhandler? |
| 07:06.42 | infotron | DukGalNamu: downloads instead of process, right? |
| 07:06.42 | DukGalNamu | infotron: right |
| 07:06.43 | cydork | !php wants me to download still |
| 07:06.43 | dpkg | Carefully read and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/php*-common/README.Debian.gz and <install php>; make sure you reloaded apache, cleared your browser cache and restarted your browser. Also verified that it's still a problem outside of your browser using telnet, netcat, wget, GET, curl, etc as the browser caching the download is often a problem. Also have a look at http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/PHPDownload (Apache 1.x). |
| 07:06.53 | infotron | cydork for the win. |
| 07:07.10 | cydork | wheee |
| 07:07.18 | infotron | !beer cydork |
| 07:07.19 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Delirium Tremens for cydork |
| 07:08.15 | DukGalNamu | dammit... clear cache problem... |
| 07:08.21 | DukGalNamu | :\ |
| 07:09.16 | infotron | hah, and before cydork replied, my ^Y buffer was: your user agent might be caching it. I use 'GET' |
| 07:09.49 | lkthomas | anyone know how to config samba ? |
| 07:09.57 | lkthomas | preexec seems did not run with samba |
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| 07:10.20 | infotron | lkthomas: try bumping up the logging |
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| 07:10.43 | lkthomas | infotron, what log level should I use ? |
| 07:11.55 | infotron | debug? |
| 07:12.25 | lkthomas | nothing shows as preexec |
| 07:12.53 | infotron | it's suppose to run when the share is used |
| 07:13.19 | infotron | I've never had a problem with that feature. is this problem listed in bts? |
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| 07:15.49 | cr3rzemjest | haha, at last! fancontrol is working! w00t! :D :D |
| 07:16.33 | lkthomas | not sure |
| 07:16.43 | lkthomas | infotron, I just want to let samba auto create user dir |
| 07:16.48 | lkthomas | infotron, any idea how to do it ? |
| 07:17.07 | infotron | what's your preexec line? |
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| 07:17.57 | infotron | i'm overly tired. sorry I can't help more |
| 07:17.57 | niru | mimcpher, are you there |
| 07:18.05 | niru | mimcpher, I installed gsm-utils |
| 07:18.25 | niru | mimcpher, that gave me gsmsmsd |
| 07:18.26 | niru | command |
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| 07:18.41 | niru | mimcpher, now I connected the mobile through usb cable |
| 07:18.44 | lkthomas | I just using testing command |
| 07:18.44 | lkthomas | preexec = /bin/echo "hi" /root/test.log |
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| 07:18.56 | niru | mimcpher, but the gsmsmsd command gives |
| 07:19.06 | niru | mimcpher, gsmsmsd[ERROR]: opening device '/dev/mobilephone' (errno: 2/No such file or directory) |
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| 07:19.18 | lkthomas | test.log did not created |
| 07:19.50 | niru | mimcpher, are you there |
| 07:21.15 | niru | mimcpher, > |
| 07:21.17 | niru | mimcpher, ? |
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| 07:24.41 | BramuS | why are there a lot of mirrors not providing the 4.0r4 release? |
| 07:24.56 | BramuS | been looking for a good mirror for over 1 hour now |
| 07:24.58 | BramuS | in the EU |
| 07:25.22 | BramuS | near NL, in NL not, BE nothing, DE nothing, now busy from sweden but the connection sucks only 400kb/s out of the 700 i get normally |
| 07:26.43 | infotron | lkthomas: you forgot a | |
| 07:27.00 | infotron | anyway, I'mm zzz fer real now. good luck. |
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| 07:27.10 | BramuS | good night |
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| 07:29.26 | vietamine | hi people |
| 07:29.34 | cr3rzemjest | hahah "but the connection sucks only 400kb/s" xD |
| 07:30.01 | vietamine | i wish to run X applications remotely, i tried X over SSH, but it uses so much bandwith (about 3Mbps) and the modem can only upload 1 Mbps. Do you know another way to run remotely X programs rather than full desktop (like VNC or NX) ? |
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| 07:32.12 | the-dude | apt-cache search vnc |
| 07:32.14 | voxter | what mechanism does debian normally use to load kernel modules at boot? for example the tg3 driver is loaded for my network card, but its not listed in /etc/modules, or in /etc/modprobe.d anywhere |
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| 07:34.57 | nuxil | hi all |
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| 07:35.54 | nuxil | is it possible to redownload a pack and overwrite the exsiting one in the cache with apt or aptitude ? |
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| 07:37.45 | the-dude | apt-get install --reinstall $packagename |
| 07:38.06 | acidslep | ok helps |
| 07:38.14 | acidslep | who is on that knows about ssh |
| 07:38.20 | nuxil | the-dude, that will not redownload the pack and overwrite the old one |
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| 07:38.41 | the-dude | apt-get clean |
| 07:38.58 | the-dude | or with a seperate package try dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/$PACKAGENAME |
| 07:38.58 | nuxil | i was hoping not to do that, |
| 07:39.12 | the-dude | then just remove one package from the cache? |
| 07:39.29 | acidslep | wake up! |
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| 07:39.41 | nuxil | so apt and aptitude lacks this option.. |
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| 07:39.59 | nuxil | the-dude, ok thanks.. i have to do it that way then |
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| 07:41.53 | greeg | hi |
| 07:41.53 | BramuS | acidslep just ask the question about ssh |
| 07:41.58 | BramuS | think some one can help you |
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| 07:42.12 | greeg | i set my xserver to intel, i still can't get my video card to repond to my game. http://rafb.net/p/0HXqL277.html |
| 07:43.03 | greeg | i even rebooted |
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| 07:53.58 | OpenTokix | Hey, have anyone been running kvm on debian lenny? |
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| 07:57.30 | greeg | what is my system lacking ? |
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| 08:00.01 | OpenTokix | greeg: a 30" monitor! |
| 08:00.05 | gnumm | how do install the nvidia driver in debian testing |
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| 08:01.09 | acidslep | oh my GOD |
| 08:01.11 | acidslep | you guys! |
| 08:01.16 | acidslep | i got it witout ur help |
| 08:01.27 | acidslep | Nyle! |
| 08:01.32 | acidslep | you gotta see this |
| 08:01.39 | acidslep | a clie ux50 |
| 08:01.42 | acidslep | WIRELESS SSH |
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| 08:02.24 | greeg | actually, now that i have my ruler out, it's 10.5x9.75 |
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| 08:04.02 | OpenTokix | so, anyone got experience with kvm on debian lenny? |
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| 08:06.48 | elenril | !tell gnumm about nvidia |
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| 08:10.15 | gnumm | are there more problems in testing than in sid? |
| 08:10.20 | gnumm | *then |
| 08:10.38 | vietamine | gnumm: should be less |
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| 08:22.41 | soulchild | Hi all, somehow I can't use Compiz or any visual effects, like those in KDE 4, anymore. All i get is a black and white screen (where the windows are white), any ideas ? |
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| 08:24.17 | harpal_ | Hey what should I use EVMS or LVM2 for my embedded system? |
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| 08:31.12 | ericpersson | I got a whole bunch of files with some non-english characters in them, is it possible to replace them with a _ or just remove them in some shell-guru-way? :) |
| 08:31.15 | iKs | peppe: are you here ? :) |
| 08:31.28 | peppe | iKs: sometimes |
| 08:31.39 | iKs | peppe: I asked you a question yesterday but you were already gone I think |
| 08:31.48 | peppe | iKs: hm. what was that? |
| 08:32.11 | iKs | peppe: do you know if there's a way to define those 'ways' for the sound globally and not only on a per-user basis ? |
| 08:32.23 | iKs | like in something like an /etc/asound.cnf ? |
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| 08:33.03 | peppe | iKs: of course, /etc/asound.conf |
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| 08:33.16 | peppe | iKs: http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Asoundrc http://alsa.opensrc.org/.asoundrc |
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| 08:33.56 | peppe | ericpersson: are you sure that you're not accessing the filesystem with the wrong locale (i.e. they're UTF-8 encoded filenames and you're seeing them with a iso-8859 or similar)? |
| 08:34.18 | iKs | peppe: thanks a lot ! |
| 08:34.23 | ericpersson | peppe: could be it, but I still like to remove them.. |
| 08:35.03 | ericpersson | peppe: i tried(planning adding a mv and xargs on top) ls -1 | sed s/[^0-9A-Za-z\._\ \-]*//g but it still gives me the "bad" characters.. |
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| 08:38.10 | iKs | peppe: if I get my soundcar to work correctly, is there a way I can get somebody do add an option for it (like option snd-hda-intel type=alienware) ? |
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| 08:40.00 | peppe | ericpersson: I was thinking at something like rename -n 's/[^\w\.\-\ ]//g' * |
| 08:40.04 | peppe | but I'm not sure if it'll work |
| 08:40.40 | peppe | iKs: alsa / udev developers, I think |
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| 08:42.02 | peppe | ericpersson: (the -n is for just display changes, not perform them) |
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| 08:43.46 | Vasistha | need help with update-initramfs :) I've installed debian on a bootable usb flash drive, with encrypted + lvm root. However there's a bug with the initrd and I need to remake it, but I'm having trouble ... how do I get update-initramfs to include cryptsetup in the init's /sbin ? Of course I'm trying to do the update-initramfs from a machine that is *not* set up with cryptsetup :P |
| 08:44.26 | iKs | peppe: I'll ask on #alsa if you don't know/don't have enough time but do you know what kind of option I'm supposed to change ? (cause the whole page you gave me is completely new material to me and it's hard to find my way :p) |
| 08:44.56 | Lagbolt | Vasistha, hmm yeah i had that problem before. cant remember which package fixed that. let me take a look |
| 08:45.04 | ericpersson | peppe, i'll try that.. |
| 08:45.05 | peppe | iKs: do you mean for loading the module with type=alienwere? |
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| 08:45.32 | iKs | peppe: no, to make my soundcard work perfectly well using asound.conf |
| 08:45.34 | ericpersson | peppe: thanks a million, worked right of.. |
| 08:45.45 | BoBka_altRUi | hi all! |
| 08:46.14 | BoBka_altRUi | i tryed to install lib3mp3lame, it say: libmp3lame0: depend: libc6 (>= 2.7-1) but 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 how i can update my libc6? |
| 08:46.20 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: thanks much! I've done it before, as well, but ... not on this machine :( |
| 08:46.25 | ericpersson | peppe: didnt know about the rename command... ;) |
| 08:46.53 | peppe | iKs: well, yes, as I said you yesterday asoundrc is not so easy |
| 08:47.36 | peppe | ericpersson: no problem :) |
| 08:47.37 | Vasistha | "said you" --> "told you" |
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| 08:47.50 | peppe | Vasistha: right... :| |
| 08:48.14 | Vasistha | peppe: I know english is difficult ... it's my intention to help, not criticize :) |
| 08:48.44 | Lagbolt | Vasistha, maybe you just need to setup /etc/cryptab |
| 08:48.48 | peppe | Vasistha: any help is appreciated :) |
| 08:48.55 | Lagbolt | crpyttab that is |
| 08:49.15 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: hum .. maybe I need to install some package on this computer |
| 08:49.37 | timnik | Mornin' all. I've made my first desktop move to debian (stable) today, and was wondering what kernel I should be using. I have an amd turion64 X2 cpu. |
| 08:49.41 | Lagbolt | Vasistha, it is def a package. first time i had to pass all the crypt options at grub until i installed something that fixed it. strange that it is not cryptsetup lol |
| 08:50.06 | iKs | peppe: so basically you don't know ? :p |
| 08:51.10 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: oh, I am installing the cryptsetup pkg now ;) |
| 08:51.26 | Mallxs | BoBka_altRUi: a dist-upgrade should do the trick .. if that does not work ... change to a later version of debian |
| 08:51.36 | peppe | iKs: I never wrote an asoundrc... |
| 08:51.42 | Lagbolt | i think it sould put cryptroot in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/ |
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| 08:51.53 | enzo | hi |
| 08:52.16 | enzo | i need to install vsftpd 2.0.7 on a debian sarge, how can i do ? i don't find this package on backports |
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| 08:52.50 | ptman | enzo: upgrade from sarge to stable, I don't know if it'll help, but sarge isn't getting security updates anymore |
| 08:53.19 | enzo | ah really ? |
| 08:53.39 | Mallxs | BoBka_altRUi: For all other stuff on lame / mp3 goto http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 08:54.15 | Lukemob | hey, when you delete a partition, there comes a free space, when you delete next partition, there comes next free space... this means, 2 free spaces, is it possible to unite them? |
| 08:54.17 | peppe | enzo: sarge security support ended on march, 31 |
| 08:54.41 | iKs | peppe: OK, I'm now asking on #alsa, thanks for all your help ! |
| 08:54.46 | enzo | however i've upgraded some packages i remember (after march, 31) |
| 08:55.56 | Lukemob | never came I would get help here yet :/ |
| 08:56.14 | peppe | Lukemob: which tool are you using for managing partitions? what is your partition table? |
| 08:56.36 | Lukemob | Debian install CD? .. |
| 08:57.05 | Lukemob | /home is about 70GB |
| 08:57.11 | Lukemob | I need to shrink it to 30 |
| 08:57.18 | Lukemob | and put 40 to /var |
| 08:57.30 | Lukemob | which has now 3GB (the /var) |
| 08:58.01 | the-dude | Lukemob: gparted |
| 08:58.18 | Lukemob | I'm newly installing system |
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| 08:58.31 | Lukemob | why would I need another CD to do it, if I can use this one |
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| 08:59.25 | Lukemob | I'm using gParted, when the system is already installed |
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| 09:02.32 | Lukemob | peppe, any idea? |
| 09:02.36 | Lukemob | hm.. |
| 09:02.39 | Lukemob | lol |
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| 09:05.14 | BRB_RSI | Luke, you can't format mounted partitions |
| 09:05.32 | BRB_RSI | if thats the question |
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| 09:09.35 | the-dude | Lukemob: I dont think a debian cd is able to resize your partitions |
| 09:10.09 | Lukemob | I'm at step of creating them mate |
| 09:11.42 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, you can download cd's that have qtparted on them for dealing with that |
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| 09:12.36 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, also if var part comes directly after home part you could cp var to home, remove the var partition and extgrow the home into the new free space |
| 09:12.53 | Lukemob | extgrow? |
| 09:12.55 | Lagbolt | i think growisofs does it |
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| 09:13.13 | Lagbolt | or wait is it resize2fs |
| 09:13.16 | Lagbolt | i think thats it |
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| 09:13.30 | Lukemob | well, Lagbolt, but in every case I need live CD, right? |
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| 09:13.58 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, i would think so unless you are able to boot without the partitions you want to resize |
| 09:14.17 | Lukemob | you don't get me |
| 09:14.21 | Lagbolt | dont think they resize mounted :) xfs will grow while mounted but not sure about others |
| 09:14.45 | Lukemob | I don't have any partitions set yet |
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| 09:14.53 | Lukemob | I'm now setting them in installation process |
| 09:14.56 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, oh? gotcha |
| 09:15.24 | Lagbolt | is there any reason you are not using 1 partition? or two , one for / and another for /home? |
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| 09:16.15 | Lukemob | I need to shrink it a bit |
| 09:16.23 | Lukemob | if |
| 09:16.35 | Lukemob | /usr has 5GB |
| 09:16.49 | Lagbolt | if? it hasnt been made? are these the numbers it setup for you by default? or are you planning for the future? |
| 09:16.50 | Lukemob | I thought I could shrink it to 3GB and give 2GB to /root partition |
| 09:17.08 | folken | lenny rocks. :) |
| 09:17.21 | Lagbolt | folken, i like it as well |
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| 09:18.09 | folken | Lagbolt: yes finally working: suspend-to-ram[x] suspend-to-disk[x] my umts card is correctly recognized. |
| 09:18.20 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, isn't it possible to do it so? |
| 09:18.32 | folken | Lagbolt: my vga screen works even after suspend. |
| 09:18.44 | folken | made my day. :) |
| 09:18.53 | folken | ok my wifi led doesn't work anymore. |
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| 09:19.10 | folken | and wacom tablet input, but that might be my fault. |
| 09:19.45 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, resize later? yes you can resize partitions and stuff. you might want to read about it. i think there are some restrictions as to moving and resizing them tho |
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| 09:20.05 | Lagbolt | folken, excellent news |
| 09:20.22 | Lagbolt | ooo wifi not working eh? was it before? |
| 09:20.23 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, hm, not resize later.. resize now :) |
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| 09:20.45 | Lagbolt | Lukemob, if you havent created them yet you can make them anysize you want. just manually edit the partition table in the installer |
| 09:20.46 | folken | Lagbolt: yes yes wifi works. but the led for the wifi on my x60t shrinkpad doesn't work anymore. |
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| 09:21.29 | arooni | how do i shut down asterisk |
| 09:21.31 | arooni | nicely |
| 09:21.36 | arooni | and prevent it from running ever again? |
| 09:21.43 | toxygen | without making the file blank |
| 09:21.44 | Lukemob | Lagbolt, I know, but I wanted to know how... but well, I've did it in any way |
| 09:21.46 | toxygen | what was the name of the command doing the same as grep, but you could go like command string file > file |
| 09:21.47 | Lukemob | thanks anyway |
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| 09:21.58 | Blackhold | hello... |
| 09:22.10 | folken | hey Blackhold |
| 09:22.17 | Blackhold | hi folken |
| 09:22.19 | folken | Blackhold: try lenny it rocks. :P |
| 09:22.19 | Blackhold | how're u? |
| 09:22.25 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: got it! :) |
| 09:22.27 | folken | Blackhold: lenny made my day. |
| 09:22.29 | Blackhold | folken: I'm using it :) |
| 09:22.30 | Lagbolt | Vasistha, what was it? |
| 09:22.41 | Blackhold | but I have one problem with fan |
| 09:22.48 | Blackhold | my /proc/acpi/fan folder is empty |
| 09:22.58 | Blackhold | and don't have any /proc/acpi/ibm folder |
| 09:23.09 | folken | Blackhold: hmm mine is too.. |
| 09:23.11 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: just had to install cryptsetup on the machine where I was running the update-initramfs, and then it automatically put it in the hooks, which was all that was needed |
| 09:23.16 | Blackhold | I need to use a module called thinkpad-acpi |
| 09:23.21 | Blackhold | but don't know how to install it |
| 09:23.40 | Blackhold | folken: my computer shutdown at a few hours of working |
| 09:23.40 | Vasistha | Lagbolt: of course now that I've got the encrypted drive booted, I can run update-initramfs from there, which is "purer" I guess :) |
| 09:23.45 | Blackhold | of hot problems |
| 09:23.47 | Blackhold | :( |
| 09:23.51 | Lagbolt | Vasistha, excellent |
| 09:23.55 | Vasistha | anyway, it is almost 2:30 am, long past my bed time! thanks again |
| 09:24.03 | Blackhold | I don't know how to solve that problem :( |
| 09:24.05 | folken | Blackhold: thats not good.. what kind of laptop/pc is ist? |
| 09:24.13 | Blackhold | lenovo 3000 v100 |
| 09:24.26 | Blackhold | I have founded in a lot of blogs without answer |
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| 09:24.34 | Blackhold | only blogs with people that have the same problem |
| 09:24.46 | Blackhold | I saw a site that had a patch |
| 09:25.02 | Blackhold | but it says that in my kernel the ibm-acpi is already patched |
| 09:25.03 | Vasistha | Blackhold: look in the package archives for tp-smapi |
| 09:25.29 | Blackhold | I have installed that packages also |
| 09:25.35 | Blackhold | and don't worked :( |
| 09:26.05 | amphi | Blackhold: are you using the ondemand cpufreq governor? |
| 09:26.08 | folken | will try tp-smapit |
| 09:26.11 | folken | -t |
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| 09:27.37 | Blackhold | amphi: don't know |
| 09:27.47 | folken | Blackhold: try /proc/acpi/ibm/fan |
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| 09:28.00 | amphi | Blackhold: cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
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| 09:30.32 | folken | does anybody know what this is: SKB BUG: Invalid truesize ? |
| 09:30.52 | folken | i find it in all boxen that i have upgraded to lenny. |
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| 09:33.00 | Blackhold | # cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 09:33.01 | Blackhold | ondemand |
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| 09:36.01 | Lagbolt | Blackhold, is it not scaling down? did you check the min_freq, max_freq and available_frequencies in that dir? |
| 09:36.35 | Blackhold | Lagbolt: but the problem is not the processor |
| 09:36.39 | Blackhold | the problem is the fan |
| 09:37.09 | Lagbolt | ah the fan |
| 09:37.37 | Blackhold | computer shutdowns when is very warm |
| 09:37.55 | Blackhold | so I have to control the fan speed |
| 09:38.00 | Blackhold | to could cold the computer |
| 09:38.26 | Lagbolt | Blackhold, and you know the fan works? do you have windows installed? does it work there or could it be hardware issue |
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| 09:39.00 | Blackhold_ | Lagbolt: yes, the fans in windows works |
| 09:39.18 | Blackhold_ | sometimes I boot on windows to cold the fans... |
| 09:39.48 | Lagbolt | Blackhold, is /proc/acpi/fan/ empty? |
| 09:39.53 | Blackhold | yes |
| 09:40.12 | Blackhold | now I'm trying to reboot again 'cause I installed an other thing... |
| 09:40.45 | Blackhold | when i boot the computer, on loading kernel, fan runs very fast, once booted it slows |
| 09:40.53 | Blackhold | and stays slowly all the time |
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| 09:42.33 | Lagbolt | Blackhold, looks like others are having same issue :( |
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| 09:43.55 | Blackhold | yes |
| 09:44.21 | Blackhold | hdaps daemon is not supported in that computer |
| 09:44.24 | Blackhold | :( |
| 09:44.29 | Blackhold | gona uninstall it |
| 09:44.42 | Blackhold | sorry tp-smapi |
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| 09:45.17 | amphi | Blackhold: did you read the README in the tp-smapi source? |
| 09:45.51 | Blackhold | no |
| 09:46.03 | amphi | ah |
| 09:46.14 | Blackhold | but on restarting the service |
| 09:46.23 | Blackhold | it says that could not found something |
| 09:46.24 | Blackhold | not a file |
| 09:46.39 | Blackhold | no such device says me |
| 09:46.43 | amphi | Blackhold: you need a kernel patch for the head-parking to work |
| 09:46.54 | Blackhold | and recompile it again? |
| 09:47.00 | amphi | yes |
| 09:47.16 | Blackhold | well |
| 09:47.25 | Blackhold | apply the patch and recompile |
| 09:47.32 | Blackhold | was the last thing I wanted to try |
| 09:47.33 | Blackhold | :( |
| 09:47.36 | amphi | you could not bother, if you don't intend to throw your laptop about much |
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| 09:48.53 | Lukemob | does anyone use ISPConfig? |
| 09:49.17 | Blackhold | amphi: I'm gonna buy lenovo thinkpad X200 in a few months... |
| 09:49.24 | Blackhold | this one has a lack battery |
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| 09:58.30 | snogglethorpe | any advice on how to use "rdmsr" from the "msr-tools" package? I want to use it on an AMD phenom cpu, but am not sure of the exact syntax required; just doing "sudo rdmsr C001_0015" gives an error "rdmsr:open: No such file or directory" |
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| 10:15.07 | rdz | hi all. is there any way of copying a directory tree to another drive while keeping hardlinks as hardlinks? |
| 10:15.27 | peppe | rdz: do you know what an hardlink is? |
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| 10:16.18 | rdz | peppe, different pathes pointing to the same inode? |
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| 10:17.07 | rdz | peppe, why are oyu asking? |
| 10:17.25 | rdz | aah.. i just found -H in rsync |
| 10:17.26 | peppe | rdz: rsync -H |
| 10:17.31 | rdz | peppe, thanks |
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| 10:23.12 | deus___ | apt-get install vlc |
| 10:23.14 | deus___ | :D! |
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| 10:24.30 | bkw | Is it possible to findout the currently used font in a terminal? |
| 10:26.22 | BoBka_altRUi | help me! i try to do it: http://forum.sephiroth.it//showpost.php?p=28342&postcount=19 but it not help :((((( |
| 10:26.47 | BoBka_altRUi | lame isn't detect in system |
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| 10:29.39 | petemc | facker: you could go to the cinema |
| 10:29.41 | BramuS | what dvd's do i need to just install debian 4 with no packages except ssh and gcc and c+ compilers |
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| 10:33.09 | rootmos | BramuS: I would suggest a netinstall cd |
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| 10:41.34 | mustu | m getting some problem in installing DSL in VMware |
| 10:41.58 | mustu | It doesn't detects the SCSI HDD i've alloted .. |
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| 10:46.25 | mustu | anyone alive here? |
| 10:46.40 | cydork | mustu: ask #dsl (if it exists) |
| 10:46.58 | mustu | yep but it seems no one alive there... L( |
| 10:47.00 | mustu | :( |
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| 10:47.48 | sysadmin-lb22 | hi all ..how can I force held emails to be handled using Postfix |
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| 10:48.45 | cr3rzemjest | uname |
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| 10:50.21 | mustu | Hey m getting problem in installing DSL under VMware... it doesn't detects the hard disk |
| 10:50.23 | K0NT0L | hi i have a problem using update-rc.d with a script : /etc/init.d/mongrel_cluster missing LSB style header. What mean this message please? |
| 10:50.25 | mustu | any clue? |
| 10:50.52 | idimmu | whats the first line of that file |
| 10:51.37 | K0NT0L | idimu:#!/bin/bash |
| 10:51.37 | Internat | isnt dsl damm small linux? |
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| 10:51.57 | K0NT0L | idimu: CONF_DIR=/etc/mongrel_cluster |
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| 10:52.09 | idimmu | bbiab going to throw up |
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| 10:55.17 | K0NT0L | ? |
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| 10:57.49 | Martiini | howcome there is no gdebi-kde package in debian when there is one in ubuntu ?? |
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| 10:58.10 | Kamping_Kaiser | because no one cares? |
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| 10:58.36 | Martiini | ya ,, Ican use gdebi I geuess |
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| 11:07.09 | snogglethorpe | ah, I figured it out... need to do "sudo modprobe msr" first |
| 11:07.49 | snogglethorpe | be nice if the msr-tools package had a README saying that... |
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| 11:19.50 | Gillpy_| | Are packets sent to my ip on the LAN (192.168.0.2) routed differently from 127.0.0.1 |
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| 11:24.08 | snogglethorpe | anyone know if the famous phenom b2 stepping tlb bug is this: "L2 Eviction May Occur During Processor Operation To Set Accessed or Dirty Bit"? |
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| 11:39.17 | ZgEmB0 | j #linuxhelp |
| 11:39.34 | Kian_ | almost:) |
| 11:39.48 | Lagbolt | anyone know a way to amplify or increase volume of sound using alsa (not the volume controls). windows always seems to have 2 to 3 times the volume as i get in debian. it is frustrating |
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| 11:40.14 | abrotman | you mean like .. scriptable ? |
| 11:40.24 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 11:40.31 | Lagbolt | i mean like adding something to asoundrc to preamp my audio |
| 11:40.32 | abrotman | you sure you've checked all the levels? |
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| 11:40.51 | Lagbolt | yeah, i have all controls on, tried little tricks people say online like headphone and what not |
| 11:41.22 | Lagbolt | maybe it is my bios, there is a setting in there for the type of audio. but as it is now windows is 3 times as loud with this MB |
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| 11:43.53 | abrotman | linux and windows use the same bios |
| 11:44.02 | Grundik | Any body have a problem with DVD-card on Debian |
| 11:44.21 | Grundik | & |
| 11:45.47 | Lagbolt | i asume they use the same bios. . . didnt know that was an option |
| 11:48.53 | ZgEmB0 | Lagbolt, try alsamixer |
| 11:50.41 | Lagbolt | ZgEmB0, tried that. i have used kmix, alsamix, xfce, everyplace i can find, googled and just cant make it happen. |
| 11:50.54 | Lagbolt | it is a new abit board , AX78 for phenom. |
| 11:51.57 | ZgEmB0 | then do some yoga ...it will not make sound louder but it will make your frustration go away |
| 11:51.58 | ZgEmB0 | :) |
| 11:52.03 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 11:52.08 | ZgEmB0 | and sorry for my english |
| 11:52.09 | ZgEmB0 | :) |
| 11:53.02 | Lagbolt | it is fine. just the yoga thing was funny |
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| 11:54.06 | Corwin | Grundik: what's a DVD-card? |
| 11:54.07 | ZgEmB0 | yea :) |
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| 11:55.40 | ivx | hello, I have a debian vps. I'm trying to change the host name. when i edit /etc/hostname it keeps getting reset to server.domain.com how do i fix this? |
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| 11:56.11 | ZgEmB0 | first... |
| 11:56.16 | ZgEmB0 | relax |
| 11:56.18 | ZgEmB0 | :) |
| 11:56.23 | sladi | Lagbolt: Are you sure the driver is configured right? is Speakertest OK? |
| 11:56.25 | ZgEmB0 | and second.. |
| 11:56.37 | ZgEmB0 | someone else will help you |
| 11:56.38 | ZgEmB0 | :) |
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| 11:57.43 | Lagbolt | sladi, not sure i guess. sound works out of the box. i am looking around alsa site and what not. what speakertest we talking about? i assume it would work as my sound works it is just weak |
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| 11:59.52 | ZgEmB0 | Lagbolt, what soundcard ? |
| 12:00.20 | Lagbolt | ZgEmB0, Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc SBx00 Azalia <-- onboard |
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| 12:01.01 | sladi | Lagbolt: I meant speaker-test |
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| 12:02.16 | Lagbolt | i hear noise from speaker-test but it is not so loud |
| 12:03.40 | sladi | Lagbolt: I had low sound with a badly configured intel-hda. Sorry. Maybe try speaker-test c2 for stereo or even mor channels if possible. |
| 12:04.24 | sladi | *-c2 |
| 12:04.37 | ZgEmB0 | what version of alsa ...have you try to install new version ? |
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| 12:05.22 | Lagbolt | sladi, speaker test just makes noise. doesnt give me any useful info? |
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| 12:05.43 | Lagbolt | using alsa 1.0.16-2 |
| 12:06.02 | sladi | Lagbolt: the noise should come out of the correct speakers. ^^ for -c2 option for example. I guess you have Stereo? |
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| 12:06.36 | ZgEmB0 | there is alsa 1.0.17 why dont you give it a try |
| 12:06.36 | Lagbolt | yeah i get sound from all my speakers :) like i said before. everything works just works at 1/3 the level of windows. |
| 12:06.48 | Lagbolt | ZgEmB0, yeah? i will check it out |
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| 12:07.16 | shital_ | Hello all |
| 12:07.19 | shital_ | Kpowersave in autosuspend i given it to standby mode after 30 min, so after standby if any requests come through network will it respod to it???? |
| 12:07.50 | shital_ | can any body help me?? |
| 12:08.12 | Martiini | whats the deal wif kpackage 4.1.0.0 ... it has no packag lists and update, upgrade dont work .. what am I missing ?? |
| 12:08.18 | Corwin | Lagbolt: Are you sure you can;t just run Kmix and up your ADC or DAC levels until the levels match? |
| 12:09.11 | Lagbolt | Corwin, ADC or DAC levels? i do not see those |
| 12:09.29 | Martiini | kpackge 4.1.0 does not work for me :( |
| 12:09.39 | willluongo | Lagbolt: Hey how are things? :) |
| 12:09.49 | Lagbolt | not bad willluongo |
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| 12:10.29 | Corwin | Lagbolt: Hmm.. I have those on mine.. One is like a gain control whcih woudl cure the volume differnece. Can you enable entra sliders in the options? |
| 12:11.13 | Lagbolt | i dont have that option, but in all other mixers i have all sliders |
| 12:11.16 | Lagbolt | including alsamixer |
| 12:11.34 | sladi | Lagbolt: yes, alsamixer should show all sliders |
| 12:11.46 | Corwin | Lagbolt: and you can't up levels until your volume is a match with Windows? |
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| 12:12.21 | Martiini | can I get support for kde4 anywhere |
| 12:12.28 | Lagbolt | Corwin, no :) oh well. iwill play with it some more. maybe try newest alsa |
| 12:12.43 | avu | Martiini, #kde perhaps? :) |
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| 12:13.17 | Lagbolt | funny thing is i have similar prob on laptop but not nearly as bad but running windows in virtual box the audio from windows is much louder as if it is software amplified |
| 12:13.34 | Corwin | Lagbolt: well good luck. Sorry I couldn't help you. |
| 12:13.51 | Lagbolt | its cool, just thought i would ask. no one was around in #alsa |
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| 12:14.35 | Lagbolt | in bios i have option for hd-audio or ac97 . . would that be an issue? |
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| 12:14.50 | Corwin | Martiini: in a kde room? I don't think most people like kde 4.0, personally I think it horrible compared to kde 3.5 |
| 12:15.23 | Corwin | Lagbolt: it's worth a try seeing if it makes a difference |
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| 12:16.56 | Corwin | just noticed that avu beat him to the punch by a factor of about... 200 |
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| 12:23.26 | ZgEmB0 | can any body help me with vmware player...im having dificulties with installing it |
| 12:23.28 | ZgEmB0 | ? |
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| 12:24.32 | frank[] | hello, I am trying to install KDE 4.1 on my sid system, and followed these instructions http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
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| 12:24.42 | cr3rzemjest | how to find out which temperature sensor is cpu sensor? halp |
| 12:24.50 | frank[] | but when I try to install kde4-minimal, I get an error |
| 12:24.50 | ZgEmB0 | it seem like it cant find suitable vmmon module .... |
| 12:25.20 | ptman | ZgEmB0: aptitude install vmware-package && less /usr/share/doc/vmware-package/README.Debian.gz |
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| 12:26.11 | frank[] | the error is as follows: http://rafb.net/p/QMnH0123.html |
| 12:26.13 | egns | is away: Bitch-X BaBy! |
| 12:26.48 | frank[] | when I try to install kdebase separately, I get http://rafb.net/p/yentbw18.html |
| 12:27.13 | ptman | ZgEmB0: if you prefer to install it from the plain .tar.gz, then you should at least aptitude install build-essential before running vmware-config.pl |
| 12:27.28 | frank[] | do I have to install all those packages separately? (dolphin, kdebase-bin, kdepasswd, etc) |
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| 12:28.16 | ZgEmB0 | frank[], i will give it a try right now... |
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| 12:29.02 | frank[] | ZgEmB0: thanks |
| 12:29.13 | Corwin | frank[]: maybe we can have a 4.1 install fest. ;) As long as I don;t have to replace 3.5, I've been wondering how 4.1 ua |
| 12:29.16 | Corwin | is |
| 12:29.21 | abrotman | frank[]: did you ask #debian-kde ? |
| 12:29.58 | frank[] | abrotman: no I didn't; thask for the tip, and I will ask there too :) |
| 12:30.09 | abrotman | !tell egns about away |
| 12:30.17 | egns | sorry |
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| 12:31.08 | frank[] | s/thask/thanks/ :/ |
| 12:31.26 | fantasticmrfox | Lo are there any graphical (command line if not) syslog clients available in the repo's? (not a syslog daemon - i.e. something sending info, --- just the listener) |
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| 12:32.16 | Corwin | looks like http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html will replace 3.5, not going to work for me :( |
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| 12:33.23 | sha1 | Hey guys. I've installed lenny and lenny apparently has no installation candidate for the nvidia-kernel-source package. There is one in sarge and one in sid. How can I still install the appropriate modules, if at all? |
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| 12:34.13 | sha1 | Is my only option building it from source manually? |
| 12:34.16 | felipe__ | hi |
| 12:34.47 | frank[] | Corwin: that's right, it will replace it; but you can install some kde4 apps while in kde3 |
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| 12:35.14 | felipe__ | I need a VPN |
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| 12:35.22 | felipe__ | can I do a vpn in debian? |
| 12:35.23 | Corwin | frank[]: such as? |
| 12:35.31 | frank[] | Corwin: such as okular |
| 12:35.47 | Corwin | frank[]: Isn;t that a google thing? |
| 12:36.19 | Corwin | I guess that's orcut |
| 12:36.23 | sha1 | Actually there is one in etch too. |
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| 12:36.59 | frank[] | Corwin: okular is not a google thing ;) |
| 12:37.07 | frank[] | Corwin: it's like the new kpdf :) |
| 12:37.17 | frank[] | document viewer, so to say |
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| 12:38.43 | ZgEmB0 | ptman, i have installed build-essential and i still have the same problem it says 'Unable to build the vmmon module.' |
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| 12:38.59 | Corwin | cool, okular supports djvu. I love djvu |
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| 12:39.18 | vlack | how do you know if your swap partition is being used by the system |
| 12:39.43 | frank[] | vlack: free -m |
| 12:40.27 | frank[] | or better: cat /proc/swaps |
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| 12:40.59 | vlack | i did |
| 12:41.10 | vlack | but it say in swap tab 0 |
| 12:41.26 | vlack | is it suppose to be that way? |
| 12:41.26 | ZgEmB0 | and there is no vmware-package in repositories |
| 12:41.53 | Corwin | Is it safe to remove this: kdebase-bin-kde3 ??? |
| 12:41.53 | jelly | ZgEmB0: you'll also need linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 12:42.24 | frank[] | Corwin: only if you replace it by that kderuntime package from kde4 |
| 12:42.35 | jelly | !vmware-package |
| 12:42.35 | dpkg | vmware-package is a Debian <contrib> package - available for lenny and sid - which provides a `make-vmpkg' utility. This utility can create Debian packages of various VMware products and related software. Read /usr/share/doc/vmware-package/README.Debian.gz and http://wiki.debian.org/VMware for package building instructions. See also <vmware support>. |
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| 12:43.14 | frank[] | Corwin: this one, to be precise: kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 |
| 12:43.15 | ZgEmB0 | hm .. |
| 12:43.19 | Martiini | happy |
| 12:43.57 | Corwin | frank[]: kdebase-runtime kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 kdebase-runtime-data among others are installing |
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| 12:44.54 | frank[] | Corwin: should be fine; if not, you can always revert by installing kdebase-bin-kde3 again :) |
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| 12:45.20 | Corwin | frank[]: that's the only reason why I'm trying it ;) |
| 12:47.48 | ZgEmB0 | jelly, linux-headers-2.6.24-1-686 is already the newest version |
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| 12:48.38 | freebird | you guys, I`ve done the stupid think to delete /etc/exim /etc/courier, now, normal instalation wont create the directories, big pane in the system, is there a way out, or I`ll better reinstall all |
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| 12:48.45 | romano2k | hi everyone! |
| 12:48.58 | romano2k | i'm writing a news about Debian for a French website |
| 12:49.17 | a-9 | If I do apt-get install x-window-system it says it will donload a bunch of video card drivers. It must be a way to install only xorg with any additional driver. (I will install nvidia manually). Any help would be appreciated. |
| 12:49.17 | romano2k | I read that the Xorg version included in 4.0r4 supports GeForce 8 Series |
| 12:49.22 | romano2k | what about 9 Series? |
| 12:49.36 | a-9 | without* any... |
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| 12:55.53 | balasyum | is there a list of ways supporting debian available? |
| 12:56.36 | PeHe | you can support Debian by sending me 10 000$ |
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| 12:56.50 | pingouin | :) |
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| 12:57.39 | PeHe | actually i prefer 15 000$ cos exchange rate is so poor thise days |
| 12:57.50 | isHot | hi |
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| 12:58.14 | pingouin | ah ah ah |
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| 12:58.19 | enouf | balasyum: sure, if you code you can try to help fix bugs and such, write docs, etc |
| 12:58.44 | enouf | balasyum: visit debian.org and poke around |
| 12:58.54 | enouf | !support |
| 12:58.54 | dpkg | <Katja_> what did one saggy boob say to the other? If we don't get some support around here, ppl will think we are nuts |
| 12:59.01 | enouf | heh .. oops |
| 12:59.57 | SerajewelKS | huh. is it just me or does patch have issues with non-ascii character sets? |
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| 13:00.27 | jelly | thou shall have 7-bit clean ascii and use it! |
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| 13:00.56 | SerajewelKS | i wish :( |
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| 13:02.12 | jelly | freebird: either reinstall, or find which packages bring in those directories and /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 13:04.34 | SerajewelKS | all i'm getting is "Hunk #1 FAILED at 1." |
| 13:04.48 | SerajewelKS | assuming that means line 1 doesn't match? or does it mean the whole hunk doesn't match? |
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| 13:06.35 | SerajewelKS | eyeballing it i don't see anything wrong with the patch at all |
| 13:07.06 | abrotman | eww .. don't rub your eyeball on it |
| 13:07.19 | SerajewelKS | i'm trying not to |
| 13:07.27 | SerajewelKS | patches are messy things though |
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| 13:07.36 | abrotman | do you think this is the Dark Crystal .. and you can just pop that eyeball in and out? |
| 13:07.59 | Sling | ooh Dark Crystal, now there's a bad movie |
| 13:08.10 | abrotman | bad? |
| 13:08.35 | enouf | maybe HUNK #1 doesn't apply to you |
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| 13:09.25 | enouf | i've patched kernels where there was all sorts of other archs in there that didn't need to be - hunks failed, but not related to my arch needed |
| 13:10.12 | abrotman | wonders why sometimes ntop can get netbios name .. and other times not |
| 13:10.42 | enouf | 135-139 blocked? |
| 13:10.52 | abrotman | on the ntop box .. no |
| 13:11.00 | abrotman | no .. i mean sometimes for a host it can get it .. other times not |
| 13:11.13 | enouf | oh, same friggin host? |
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| 13:11.21 | enouf | ghost firewall :-P |
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| 13:11.46 | abrotman | right .. exactly |
| 13:11.57 | jelly | SerajewelKS: [eyeballing] whitespace differences can be a bitch |
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| 13:12.09 | SerajewelKS | when it says "Hunk #1 FAILED at 1." -- it is saying line 1 is the issue? |
| 13:12.21 | SerajewelKS | jelly: indeed. i don't think any exist. |
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| 13:12.52 | SerajewelKS | because line 1 in the patch and in the content are fucking identical |
| 13:12.59 | SerajewelKS | i just pasted one over the other to make sure |
| 13:13.15 | jelly | SerajewelKS: care to pastebin code and patch excerpts? |
| 13:13.16 | enouf | is that all the errors? |
| 13:13.25 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yes |
| 13:13.45 | enouf | you might be applying it wrong - or the code is alreaedy patched? |
| 13:13.48 | SerajewelKS | jelly: unfortunately the content i am dealing with is for work, and not open... |
| 13:13.53 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it's actually not code |
| 13:14.12 | SerajewelKS | enouf: and it seems to be failing in only a few circumstances (other patches apply fine) |
| 13:14.16 | echome | enouf, hi |
| 13:14.24 | SerajewelKS | so i'm trying to find the common point of failure here :/ |
| 13:14.27 | enouf | hello |
| 13:14.30 | jelly | shrugs -- no reproducy, no helpy |
| 13:15.09 | SerajewelKS | jelly: well i was hoping that the error message could at least be explained... |
| 13:15.12 | enouf | SerajewelKS: use comm and cmp and try comparing bit for bit? nothing else i can say |
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| 13:16.57 | SerajewelKS | it would be nice if i could get a better error dump. "this line and this line do not agree at this column" |
| 13:17.01 | SerajewelKS | not "HEY ERRORZ LOL" |
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| 13:17.49 | Nils1 | hi |
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| 13:23.30 | ColMustard | greetings |
| 13:23.44 | Greyscale | Has anyone got Fuppes to work properly under debian? |
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| 13:25.11 | Nils1 | I want to install Debian on my new notebook. It's impossible to connect to WLAN, so I placed the Notebook (and me *g*) down on the ground - now I have a LAN-connecting but the netinstaller (Etch 4.0r4) does not connect to any server - no useable system for me. The first CD of the ~30 big has an error at the installation (nearly 92%) of the software. |
| 13:25.38 | Nils1 | what should I do ? |
| 13:25.57 | ColMustard | I'm building a box to ssh tunnel through and to host a low volume but high bandwidth site (hardly anyone visits it, but when they do, it serves large images via flash). Anyone think there's anything wrong with using a Sempron processor for this? |
| 13:26.19 | echome | Nils1, net install. that is not stable and liable |
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| 13:27.08 | epsas_ | ColsMustard - it should be fine |
| 13:27.20 | epsas_ | your bottleneck will be the bandwidth |
| 13:27.26 | ColMustard | cool |
| 13:27.31 | ColMustard | then the other question is |
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| 13:27.49 | echome | Nils1, not to mention wireless network |
| 13:27.59 | ColMustard | is Debian the right way to go for something that simple? or is there a more lite/specialized distro I might be better off with? |
| 13:28.11 | ArmEagle|CZ | hmm, I installed python, python2.5 and python-bluez. But now python2.5 doesn't know the package 'bluetooth'.. |
| 13:28.48 | Nils1 | echome: ok, but the big installation-cds are not better |
| 13:29.20 | echome | well, there is a single cd, i guess |
| 13:29.26 | balasyum | is being a debian package maintainer anonymously possible? |
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| 13:31.02 | abrotman | balasyum: no |
| 13:31.09 | balasyum | I mean, without revealing real name |
| 13:31.09 | ColMustard | balasyum, I don't know, but I'm curious why you would want to be anonymous? it's a good thing to have on your resume. |
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| 13:31.29 | abrotman | balasyum: why would you want to? |
| 13:31.32 | balasyum | ColMustard, privacy |
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| 13:31.42 | abrotman | you can submit patches if that's easier .. |
| 13:31.45 | crazygir | when apt is complaining about: http://rafb.net/p/YZiTmO23.html and running apt-get update again (as suggested) doesn't work, what should be done? |
| 13:32.03 | abrotman | crazygir: you'd ask the support for your distro .. you're not using Debian |
| 13:32.07 | balasyum | I'd like to add packages, abrotman |
| 13:32.20 | abrotman | balasyum: then you'd like recognition ? |
| 13:32.34 | crazygir | abrotman: you folks understand apt |
| 13:32.35 | crazygir | :) |
| 13:32.36 | abrotman | balasyum: you couldn't become a DD |
| 13:32.39 | abrotman | crazygir: ask ##linux |
| 13:32.49 | balasyum | what, abrotman ? |
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| 13:33.04 | abrotman | balasyum: AIUI .. you can't become a DD without a real life key signing etc .. which would kind of break anonymity |
| 13:33.28 | crazygir | abrotman: well as a general question, why would apt complain like this? |
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| 13:33.50 | balasyum | that's a pity, abrotman |
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| 13:35.05 | balasyum | so the only possible way is sending the packages to a maintainer who will put them into the repository? |
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| 13:35.35 | Nils1 | echome: do you mean the CD1 of this ? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 13:35.37 | SerajewelKS | wow weird |
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| 13:35.51 | SerajewelKS | diff is producing files but is removing all trailing whitespace on all lines |
| 13:35.56 | SerajewelKS | patch doesn't seem to like this very much |
| 13:36.09 | rm | hello, does anyone know when the weekly builds of http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/jigdo-dvd/ will be updated? |
| 13:36.11 | echome | Nils1, yep |
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| 13:36.37 | rm | (i.e. if they are "weekly", that's supposed to be 2 days ago) |
| 13:36.39 | themill | SerajewelKS: make sure you're not using the -w option for diff. Try the -l option for patch. |
| 13:36.57 | echome | Nils1, just wait for debian 5, it will be cool, i guess |
| 13:37.28 | Nils1 | echome: I tried it. But it gives an error at the configuration of "gtk2-enginesspherecrystal" |
| 13:37.44 | Nils1 | no, I think thats too long with Vista |
| 13:38.03 | echome | Nils1, too long with...? what is |
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| 13:38.48 | Nils1 | I think an update of a whole Distribution takes 18 months ? |
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| 13:38.51 | SerajewelKS | themill: i am not using -w for diff |
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| 13:39.17 | abrotman | balasyum: it's not a pity at all .. |
| 13:39.32 | abrotman | balasyum: even if you have packages mentored .. you still have to have a name |
| 13:39.33 | Nils1 | echome: and because the release of the last version was on the 26. July I think it would take some time from Etch-a-half to 5 |
| 13:39.45 | abrotman | !dstats etch |
| 13:40.03 | balasyum | that's why I'll try to find someone who sends my packages in, abrotman |
| 13:40.05 | echome | Nils1, i am guessing new one will be out in 6 months |
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| 13:40.18 | dpkg | Debian Distro Stats on etch... 18604 packages, 1731 maintainers, 41669 MB installed size, 13701 MB compressed size. |
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| 13:40.30 | abrotman | balasyum: how would you feel if there were 1731 maintainers anonymously putting stuff on your box? |
| 13:40.36 | SerajewelKS | themill: the diff goes straight from the output file into a mysql database. there are no trailing spaces on any of the lines in the database. so somewhere between diff and the database (inclusive between) trailing whitespace on every line is getting stripped. (so it may not be diff at all, though i'm not aware of anything mysql does like that.) |
| 13:40.39 | Nils1 | echome: ok,, I need a running system now and not in 6 months |
| 13:40.44 | abrotman | balasyum: if you have someone "send" your packages, you still need a name |
| 13:40.59 | balasyum | I don't |
| 13:40.59 | stew | balasyum: you (hopefully) cannot become an anonymous maintainer. you can anonymously contribute to a package with a real maintainer though |
| 13:41.08 | echome | lenny |
| 13:41.09 | abrotman | i didn't think you could |
| 13:41.13 | abrotman | using mentors.debian.net |
| 13:41.23 | balasyum | that's what I'm talking about, stew |
| 13:41.37 | echome | balasyum, maybe you want to put virus into it? lol |
| 13:41.41 | Nils1 | echome: I can try to instsall the actually version from the link I postet minutes ago, but I'm not sure if it would be running without errors |
| 13:41.59 | balasyum | echome, just keeping my privacy |
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| 13:42.08 | abrotman | stew: you at least require an email .. |
| 13:42.13 | echome | well, Nils1 not for sure, cannot help |
| 13:42.16 | Nils1 | because I got errors a few hours agp and couldÃnt test the distribution |
| 13:42.21 | SerajewelKS | themill: there are multiple points this could be happening, i'm trying to investigate them all simultaneously :) |
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| 13:42.56 | Nils1 | echome: I try it again, thanks for your answers |
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| 13:43.09 | abrotman | i guess you can just make up email addresses and fake names |
| 13:43.21 | themill | balasyum: I don't think I would want to have any software installed on my machine that was being handled by people who were not prepared to stand by their work. |
| 13:43.26 | balasyum | using a fake name? |
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| 13:43.57 | SerajewelKS | found the issue. php's exec() strips trailing whitespace. way to go, php... |
| 13:44.04 | balasyum | themill, I run more softwares, developed by "nicknames" |
| 13:44.05 | SerajewelKS | thanks all for the help |
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| 13:44.28 | balasyum | take a look at mediawiki, I don't know statistics about installs of it |
| 13:44.37 | themill | SerajewelKS: I don't want to know why the diff is going any where near exec() anyway.... |
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| 13:45.54 | abrotman | balasyum: let me know what software you intend to package so i don't use it :)( |
| 13:45.54 | ColMustard | themill, I suppose you don't use TrueCrypt then? |
| 13:46.20 | themill | ColMustard: correct, but not for that reason, necessarily |
| 13:46.22 | abrotman | for mentors.debian.net .. they ask for FullName, Email, Passwd, GPGkey |
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| 13:46.37 | balasyum | the one who commits them will certainly check it, abrotman |
| 13:46.49 | balasyum | I mean, check for causing damage |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | check what? your package? uh .. hopefully |
| 13:47.09 | stew | balasyum: the maintainer? yes, of course they would check it before uploading it |
| 13:47.29 | balasyum | so, problems solved |
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| 13:48.51 | disq | hey, any insight on "E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration (1) on debconf" upgrading etch to lenny? |
| 13:49.00 | disq | (happened during dist-upgrade) |
| 13:49.57 | willluongo | Is there something like medibuntu for debian? |
| 13:50.41 | kingsley | disq: Have you searched google's indices? |
| 13:51.11 | janK2 | willluongo: google |
| 13:51.43 | willluongo | Ah, debian-multimedia? |
| 13:51.53 | janK2 | ... |
| 13:52.13 | SerajewelKS | themill: no, i run diff with exec :) |
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| 13:52.36 | SerajewelKS | themill: but apparently i should use popen instead since exec() strips trailing whitespace from every line. which makes patch very upset and loses data. |
| 13:52.53 | kingsley | willluongo: apt-cache search medical | less |
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| 13:53.26 | janK2 | i thought he means medical too, but he is after multimedia stuff |
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| 13:57.09 | blondie1 | http://blonde-dude.net/forum/index.php |
| 13:57.15 | abrotman | blondie1: don't spam |
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| 13:57.18 | themill | SerajewelKS: using exec() is almost always a bad idea. |
| 13:57.33 | disq | kingsley: yes |
| 13:58.02 | kingsley | disq: What did you find? |
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| 13:58.18 | disq | kingsley: not a single solution |
| 13:58.31 | stew | disq: checked the bts? |
| 13:59.25 | disq | there are some bugs there but it's very old |
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| 13:59.51 | fantasticmrfox | Lo are there any graphical (command line if not) syslog clients available in the repo's? (not a syslog daemon - i.e. something sending info, --- just the listener) |
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| 14:00.32 | stew | fantasticmrfox: there is logger |
| 14:00.45 | SerajewelKS | themill: yeah i think i just figured that out :) |
| 14:00.50 | fantasticmrfox | stew, what is it named? |
| 14:00.54 | kingsley | disq: If you haven't done so already, perhaps you could add a clause like "~work | ~fix | ~solution | ~solve" to Google's search string. |
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| 14:01.30 | stew | fantasticmrfox: logger |
| 14:01.30 | disq | all results are from the links i've already visited |
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| 14:02.30 | fantasticmrfox | stew: so I just give the IP of my desktop PC to the device that can report to syslog - and it'll appear when I run logger in the command window? |
| 14:02.36 | themill | SerajewelKS: not just because it does strange things like that but also because it's a hard call to do correctly (i.e. without leaving yourself open to security fun and games) |
| 14:02.54 | stew | fantasticmrfox: no, logger is a syslog client to send log events to syslog |
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| 14:03.11 | SerajewelKS | themill: indeed. popen is no different there. but none of the arguments are user-supplied. |
| 14:03.15 | abrotman | still doesn't get why you'd want to be anonymous |
| 14:03.18 | fantasticmrfox | stew... ok well then I'm after the other way around |
| 14:03.31 | stew | fantasticmrfox: if you want to view log events, open one of the log files in /var/log with your favorite pager / file edito |
| 14:03.46 | SerajewelKS | themill: (i've been doing this stuff long enough to be security-conscious) |
| 14:03.47 | fantasticmrfox | :( no I can't do that! |
| 14:04.01 | fantasticmrfox | it's a device that can send its debugging info to a syslog server |
| 14:04.04 | SerajewelKS | themill: the two arguments come from tempnam |
| 14:04.15 | fantasticmrfox | so I need to run a syslog server on linux and view the output as it comes in - in a window |
| 14:04.17 | kingsley | disq: There's always strace. |
| 14:04.26 | fantasticmrfox | the windows equivalent might be the Kiwi Syslog Daemon |
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| 14:04.54 | disq | i looked for a verbosity option in the manpage but couldn't find any |
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| 14:07.10 | stew | fantasticmrfox: whatever machine you are wanting to view the logs on probably already runs a syslog daemon, and you can view the logs in /var/log |
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| 14:07.29 | disq | dpkg --force-depends --install /var/*/debconf*.debfied it |
| 14:07.29 | dpkg | disq: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 14:07.39 | disq | *fixed |
| 14:07.43 | fantasticmrfox | :( but then I don't get to see them as they come in stew - I was really hoping for some kind of proper interface for this |
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| 14:08.03 | stew | fantasticmrfox: use tail -f /path/to/logfiles |
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| 14:08.09 | stew | err logfile... |
| 14:08.35 | SerajewelKS | themill: in fact much of what i'm coding is to replace a ton of perl with plenty of open("$get[somevar]|") type calls :) |
| 14:08.37 | fantasticmrfox | still means I can't search it as it comes in, or limit what I see |
| 14:08.51 | fantasticmrfox | a command line just isn't gonna cut it for the amount of crap that comes in |
| 14:09.02 | themill | SerajewelKS: yuck... |
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| 14:09.19 | SerajewelKS | themill: indeed |
| 14:09.50 | stew | fantasticmrfox: i don't know of a syslog daemon that allows you to do this |
| 14:10.04 | RichiH | any idea since what kernel version iptables have the --random target for ports? |
| 14:10.13 | Martiini | is there a fix for kpackage 4.1.0 (kde4) and smart package manager reading sources.list .. I get ... File "/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/smart/plugins/aptchannelsync.py", line 91, in syncAptChannels _readSourcesList(open(sourcesfile) |
| 14:10.13 | Nyle | Good Morning |
| 14:10.34 | stew | RichiH: ask #iptables? |
| 14:10.42 | Martiini | does kpackage 4.1.0 work in debian ?? |
| 14:10.44 | Nyle | Martiini, kde4 is probably not supported here |
| 14:10.50 | SerajewelKS | themill: fortunately only our clients can get to those scripts. not great but less severe than if the general public could. at least we could tell very quickly by IP address which client was responsible for exploiting the bugs. |
| 14:10.54 | Nyle | Martiini, seeing as kde4 is still beyond sid (in experimental) |
| 14:10.59 | Nyle | Martiini, try #debian-kde perhaps |
| 14:11.03 | Nyle | Martiini, or #kde |
| 14:11.12 | SerajewelKS | themill: nevertheless we are trying to convert all that stuff to php and harden it in the process |
| 14:11.14 | Martiini | Nyle: it works in suse .. I was told in #kde |
| 14:11.54 | Nyle | I'm a kde user but I stick to 3.5.9 atm, not going to touch KDE4 until 2010 or KDE 4.5, whichever comes first |
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| 14:12.21 | themill | SerajewelKS: "harden" and "php" don't often appear in the same sentence (well, not in the way you've used them...) But I know, you can write fortran in any language... |
| 14:12.52 | RichiH | stew: how boring |
| 14:13.11 | Martiini | Nyle: I will forward your greetings to kde people :) |
| 14:13.14 | stew | RichiH: i think it was 2.6.something |
| 14:13.17 | Nyle | Martiini, :) |
| 14:13.35 | Nyle | Martiini, the main reason being that kde4 is not even in debian (sid) yet... |
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| 14:13.53 | Nyle | Martiini, afaik its in experimental (i have not checked lately) and no one here will support experimental |
| 14:13.54 | RichiH | stew: i knew _that_ ;) |
| 14:13.57 | lethias | So is debian now using lenny, or is it still in the testing phase. |
| 14:13.59 | RichiH | stew: i asked there, btw |
| 14:14.04 | Nyle | lethias, still testing |
| 14:14.13 | jelly | SerajewelKS: you're replacing perl scripts doing mostly reading from and writing to pipes, with C? That's unusual. |
| 14:14.15 | Nyle | lethias, hopefully frozen soon actually, the time is at hand |
| 14:14.28 | lethias | Nyle, hmmm i did a net install for etch and got lenny |
| 14:14.29 | SerajewelKS | jelly: who said C? |
| 14:14.32 | jelly | oh, php, sorry |
| 14:14.34 | stew | lenny is already frozen |
| 14:14.36 | Nyle | lethias, impossible |
| 14:14.36 | SerajewelKS | jelly: :) |
| 14:14.40 | jelly | ew. |
| 14:14.42 | Nyle | SerajewelKS, ! |
| 14:14.44 | Nyle | i mean |
| 14:14.45 | Nyle | stew, ! |
| 14:15.05 | lethias | nyle, thats what i thought too, i wiped the pc twice and reinstalled it and still its the same. |
| 14:15.07 | SerajewelKS | themill: php can be plenty secure if you do it right. of course, that is the trick. you can't be a noob and code secure php. |
| 14:15.09 | Nyle | stew, not fully though, peters mentioned it being frozen soon, but i didn't think i'd be THAT soon |
| 14:15.15 | Nyle | damn |
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| 14:15.18 | stew | Nyle: lenny is fully frozen |
| 14:15.22 | Nyle | no shit! |
| 14:15.28 | Nyle | checks debian.org |
| 14:15.30 | jelly | !frozen |
| 14:15.30 | dpkg | i guess frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
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| 14:15.47 | Nyle | jelly, I am aware |
| 14:15.47 | jelly | upgrades |
| 14:15.54 | jelly | Nyle: I wasn't |
| 14:15.57 | SerajewelKS | themill: parametrized queries and careful sanitization of user-supplied data make a lot of security problems go away |
| 14:15.58 | Nyle | oh |
| 14:16.31 | Nyle | well good deal |
| 14:16.34 | lethias | I'm not complaining, its pretty cool. |
| 14:16.36 | jelly | thinks there's something satisfying in being able to run iexplore & |
| 14:16.40 | Nyle | frozen is good, we don't have too much longer let then eh |
| 14:16.44 | Nyle | jelly, hehehe |
| 14:17.23 | lethias | It might have been a mess up on the mirror I installed off of as well. |
| 14:17.35 | Martiini | Nyle: in kde I got an answer "Martiini: well, there's a reason some people (TM) call debian the moldy distro" .. unfortunate as it is .. I must agree .. although Im a debian user |
| 14:18.10 | lethias | I dunno though, cause its the same cd i use for installing etch on all my systems, the suddenly it up and installed lenny the other day instead of etch on this pcs. haha |
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| 14:18.32 | Nyle | Martiini, hey! |
| 14:18.34 | Martiini | some call it debian stability .. I call it hindering progress |
| 14:18.42 | Martiini | sorry |
| 14:18.43 | Nyle | Martiini, fuck those people :( debian is not moldy, its awesome |
| 14:18.53 | Ectus | Hello, is there any certificate to take in Debian or just Linux? |
| 14:19.16 | Martiini | yea .. and ... compromising in favour of stability |
| 14:19.21 | Nyle | Martiini, if you are not satisfied with debian, you are free to help us compile and test kde4 packages |
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| 14:19.33 | Nyle | Martiini, and/or use another distribution. You don't HAVE to use debian, you know. |
| 14:19.42 | stew | which would do no good, there was never a chance that kde4 was going to be in lenny |
| 14:19.43 | Nyle | Martiini, if you want kde4 specifically, try kubuntu or suse |
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| 14:20.04 | Nyle | Martiini, as I said, no one here will support experimental |
| 14:20.13 | Nyle | Martiini, I mean if they had been trickled down to sid, maybe... |
| 14:20.36 | Martiini | whoever works on linux distros and desktops .. just keep the world waiting .. I dont know how else to say it |
| 14:21.00 | Nyle | !kde4 |
| 14:21.00 | dpkg | i guess kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will probably not be released with Lenny as it is not expected to be stable within the lenny release cycle. See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/01/msg00001.html http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these experimental packages in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 14:21.11 | jeffwheeler | Is there any way to (probably within a VM) watch the changes to all the files on the system? ZFS allows something similar when letting me take snapshots, but this isn't on Linux and not quite what I want. |
| 14:21.12 | LemensTS | WHat types of things would i want to be compiled into the kernel instead of having them as modules? |
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| 14:21.39 | jeffwheeler | For example, if I install some software, I want to check all to see all the files it touches, and even better, the ability to restore the state. |
| 14:21.56 | jeffwheeler | Perhaps this is possible by looking at an ext3 journal? |
| 14:22.35 | oskude | jeffwheeler, or maybe with some VCS ? |
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| 14:22.56 | jeffwheeler | oskude: that's the right idea, but it needs to apply to system-wide files |
| 14:23.50 | oskude | jeffwheeler, and wheres the problem ? (i never done this, so i dont know nothing) |
| 14:23.53 | jeffwheeler | oskude: I'm trying to solve (many) problems like, "with automated testing, can I verify no unexpected files were modified/created by this installer" |
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| 14:24.57 | stew | jeffwheeler: sounds like a job for a LD_PRELOAD |
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| 14:25.11 | jeffwheeler | stew: never heard of it, but I'll Google it |
| 14:25.12 | twobitwork | You all heard the man! get to work, you're keeping the world waiting!! :P |
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| 14:25.35 | smacnay | how does one restart systm services (I am particularly interested in restarting the process that manages my card reader)? |
| 14:25.53 | enouf | jeffwheeler: there's a very beta version of dtrace for linux, any help? |
| 14:25.56 | jeffwheeler | smacnay: many can be /etc/init.d/servicename restart |
| 14:26.02 | stew | jeffwheeler: have a look at how checkinstall works |
| 14:26.07 | smacnay | jeffrin__, thanks |
| 14:26.08 | jeffwheeler | enouf: hmm, that sounds interesting too; I'll Google that also |
| 14:26.24 | jeffwheeler | stew: oh, I've heard of checkinstall, but haven't used it; I'll go through that |
| 14:26.34 | jeffwheeler | These all sound very good. Thanks! |
| 14:26.39 | enouf | jeffwheeler: http://kerneltrap.org/node/16361 |
| 14:28.03 | enouf | jeffwheeler: (more to the point - don't let the legal issues entangle your read ;-)) http://lwn.net/Articles/244536/ |
| 14:28.33 | Brahmana | hi all.. |
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| 14:28.42 | jeffwheeler | enouf: thanks |
| 14:28.51 | Brahmana | I there a archive where i can get "woody" packages? |
| 14:28.56 | Brahmana | s/I/Is |
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| 14:29.07 | Brahmana | s/a archive/an archive |
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| 14:29.31 | stew | Brahmana: http://archive.debian.org/ |
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| 14:31.22 | Brahmana | thanks stew, I do not know how I missed that one. |
| 14:31.31 | enouf | jeffwheeler: crap, i sent you the old article - here's recent one http://lwn.net/Articles/287906/ |
| 14:31.43 | jeffwheeler | enouf: haha, thanks |
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| 14:35.43 | enouf | aha .. jeffwheeler heh, forgot about http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page also (it) |
| 14:35.56 | enouf | it's linked from the article though |
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| 14:35.59 | jeffwheeler | enouf: yeah, I just saw that; it looks neat |
| 14:36.06 | FoxM | Does anybody know a fix to a mysql-query-browser freeze when selecting a schema? |
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| 14:37.48 | Nyle | dpkg lenny.freeze is more information regarding the lenny freeze can be found at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html |
| 14:37.48 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 14:38.23 | Nyle | For the release, we need to get rid of all release critical bugs. Please |
| 14:38.23 | Nyle | don't hesitate, pick any bug from |
| 14:38.23 | Nyle | http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny and fix it. Or send in a |
| 14:38.27 | Nyle | patch in case there is none yet |
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| 14:38.33 | Nyle | damn didn't even copy right |
| 14:38.46 | Nyle | anyway, any help would be appreciated guys. |
| 14:38.48 | Nyle | Thank you very much. |
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| 14:39.49 | Nyle | also park your ass in #debian-bugs |
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| 14:43.22 | Nyle | wow it got really quiet in here... |
| 14:43.24 | Nyle | !ping |
| 14:43.24 | dpkg | pong |
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| 14:44.32 | cast | hmm, can someone remind me where dpkg's factoids are stored? |
| 14:44.34 | enouf | dpkg: where were you?! |
| 14:44.34 | dpkg | I was getting some action with the botchicks! WooYEAH! I got me some NOOKIE! |
| 14:45.01 | cydork | !factoids |
| 14:45.01 | dpkg | Pick my brains at http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php or ask me about <help listkeys> or <search>. Also, my factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ in archives that are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. |
| 14:45.08 | cast | ahh |
| 14:45.15 | Nyle | word |
| 14:45.30 | cast | cheers :) |
| 14:45.34 | Nyle | :) |
| 14:45.37 | cast | epic amount of information present in those. |
| 14:45.37 | helo | i'm trying to compile this kernel module/daemon, and it is trying to enter '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/build', which doesn't exist... |
| 14:45.39 | Nyle | cast, why did you want to know? |
| 14:45.56 | enouf | ooo... she's just not on oftc .. i see |
| 14:46.03 | stew | helo: aptitude install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 14:46.06 | cydork | dpkg: now you can get back to your botchicks |
| 14:46.07 | dpkg | cydork: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 14:47.23 | Nyle | pokes enouf |
| 14:47.28 | Nyle | oy! |
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| 14:49.53 | Nyle | hmm i need some scotch tape |
| 14:50.37 | Kian_ | throws scotch tape at Nyle |
| 14:50.48 | Nyle | oh hey, thanks, I was fresh out |
| 14:51.14 | Nyle | tuesday morning man, its pretty slow in here |
| 14:51.59 | keith4 | what type of bot is dpkg, anyway? |
| 14:52.08 | Nyle | !infobot |
| 14:52.08 | dpkg | Infobot is an IRC bot that is geared towards remembering "factoids", and repeating them back to people on request. It supports many additional features, such as google lookups, dictionary, spell checker, debian package checks, and more. See http://infobot.sourceforge.net/ for more. NOTE: Blootbot (fork of infobot) has now replace infobot. Old infobot archives can be found in svn under /infobot-old. |
| 14:52.40 | keith4 | !blootbot |
| 14:52.41 | dpkg | blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot, by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Blootbot debs are now in debian. You may not want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl. The latest svn has pgsql support. NOTE: blootbot development has officially stopped, and the project has been renamed back to infobot. Ask me about infobot. |
| 14:52.52 | Nyle | heh, mutilated |
| 14:52.56 | keith4 | wtf |
| 14:53.04 | keith4 | it was infobot, then blootbot... now back to infobot? |
| 14:53.15 | Nyle | yeh its pretty fucked up isnt it |
| 14:53.28 | jelly | no? |
| 14:53.50 | jelly | same thing seems to happen relatively often |
| 14:53.59 | enouf | !supybot |
| 14:54.00 | dpkg | supybot is probably a cross-platform IRC bot written in Python, known to run anywhere Python runs, which includes all *nices, and Windows. See http://supybot.com or #supybot (on Freenode) |
| 14:54.04 | enouf | hides |
| 14:54.10 | Nyle | oy |
| 14:54.18 | jelly | see compiz - beryl fork, now back to compiz(-fusion) |
| 14:54.32 | keith4 | yah, that's a mess |
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| 14:56.40 | Nyle | heh |
| 14:56.47 | Nyle | I wonder if ubuntu will do that... |
| 14:56.49 | Nazz | yello. i'm having troubles installing wine on an unstable system it complains about depending on libldap2, which i already have |
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| 14:57.51 | keith4 | will never understand why people run unstable |
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| 14:58.10 | jeffwheeler | keith4: it's fun, and still more stable than any other OS ;) |
| 14:58.27 | Nyle | then why don't you suport Nazz |
| 14:58.33 | Nyle | tell him what to do... |
| 14:58.34 | keith4 | will never understand why people who shouldn't be running unstable... run unstable |
| 14:59.03 | jeffwheeler | agrees with keith4. |
| 14:59.06 | Nyle | jeffwheeler, and please do not condone the use of unstable debian... |
| 14:59.26 | Nyle | unless you are prepared to provide support to those who have to ask in here about such trivial things |
| 14:59.27 | jeffwheeler | Nyle: You're right. |
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| 14:59.43 | mrglinux | hi in insall xfce desktop on my server (for some reason) also install tightvncserver so how can connect to my server with vncviewer or how run xfce ? |
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| 15:00.12 | Nyle | mrglinux, vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 800x600 :1 & |
| 15:00.13 | Nyle | ? |
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| 15:00.45 | Nyle | mrglinux, if you want your current running X session to be avialable via VNC, you need x11vnc or something |
| 15:01.02 | Nyle | mrglinux, vncserver alone will start a new X session on a virtual display |
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| 15:01.27 | mrglinux | Nyle ahan .. means I should install x11vnc |
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| 15:01.34 | Nyle | perhaps |
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| 15:02.21 | doublehp | i installed and started service dhcp3-relay ... but clients cant get IPs; any idea ? |
| 15:03.25 | keith4 | check the log? |
| 15:03.48 | mrglinux | Nyle when I run vncserver -depth 24 -geometry 800x600 :1 & I get You will require a password to access your desktops. and cursor blink |
| 15:03.53 | Nazz | helpful as ever |
| 15:04.04 | mrglinux | Nyle I installed x11vnc |
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| 15:04.31 | lvh | hello |
| 15:04.44 | Martiini | can anyone point me to a 2.6.24 kernel link please |
| 15:04.57 | Nazz | http://kernel.org |
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| 15:05.26 | wols | !tell Martiini about sdn |
| 15:05.35 | Nyle | mrglinux, http://www.debianadmin.com/remotely-administring-machines-using-x11vnc.html |
| 15:05.42 | Nyle | mrglinux, enjoy |
| 15:05.48 | mrglinux | Nyle thanks |
| 15:05.51 | Nyle | sure |
| 15:05.55 | Martiini | how was that supposed to help me |
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| 15:06.11 | Martiini | why are you all so f*cking arrogant in #debian .. always |
| 15:06.13 | Nyle | Martiini, you can acquire the required package from snapshots |
| 15:06.21 | Nyle | ...? |
| 15:07.10 | Martiini | are you telling me there is no 2.6.24 kernel in debian ??? |
| 15:07.10 | LemensTS | martini...go to kernel.org and look |
| 15:07.10 | Martiini | I need one because the new ones dont play nice with ny nic |
| 15:07.10 | Martiini | f*uck off |
| 15:07.10 | Nyle | Martiini, please calm down |
| 15:07.11 | Nyle | Martiini, take a couple of deep breaths |
| 15:07.13 | Kian_ | yeah |
| 15:07.14 | Nyle | Martiini, we're trying to help you |
| 15:07.17 | Nyle | please |
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| 15:07.36 | cydork | Martiini: wols already told you where you can find it.. |
| 15:07.45 | Martiini | and when you criticize debian for not being as user friendly as ubuntu .. you get called a "troll" or whatever |
| 15:07.53 | Martiini | whatever |
| 15:07.58 | LemensTS | http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ |
| 15:08.01 | LemensTS | now quit bitchin |
| 15:08.08 | LemensTS | that took me all of 20 seconds |
| 15:08.10 | Nyle | Martiini, whats the problem with going to snapshot.debian.net to look for that pacakge? |
| 15:08.10 | ptman | Martiini: http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/l/linux-2.6.24/ |
| 15:08.25 | Martiini | there should be one available in repositories |
| 15:08.27 | Nyle | ptman, he wanted us to do his work for him I suppose, shouldn't have done it. |
| 15:08.37 | Nyle | Martiini, life is not always what you want. |
| 15:08.39 | ptman | oh, sorry, could stand his bitching |
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| 15:08.42 | jelly | Martiini: how did you search? |
| 15:08.49 | wols | Martiini: no. .24 was only in sid and testing and those change all the time. those are the breaks |
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| 15:08.55 | Martiini | why isnt there one in repos ?? .. 2.6.24 in synaptic |
| 15:08.58 | Martiini | no results |
| 15:09.10 | lvh | Martiini: *what* repos |
| 15:09.14 | wols | Martiini: there WAS one. several months ago. Lenny and Sid dchange |
| 15:09.20 | jelly | Martiini: "/msg dpkg search"; do an aptitude update first |
| 15:09.25 | cydork | Martiini: because 2.6.25 is there.. |
| 15:09.26 | Martiini | forget it |
| 15:09.29 | wols | Martiini: there is one in security.debian.org for etch (etchnhalf) |
| 15:09.31 | Martiini | move on |
| 15:09.31 | Nyle | wow |
| 15:09.38 | Martiini | get back to work |
| 15:09.40 | Nyle | so many people trying to help this thankless dude |
| 15:09.44 | Nyle | *sigh* |
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| 15:09.48 | jelly | stops |
| 15:09.50 | LemensTS | lay off the martinis |
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| 15:10.02 | wols | adds another one to the ignore list |
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| 15:10.14 | themill | Martiini: if you want help, it's usual to be polite. |
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| 15:10.38 | lvh | I've checked ubuntu which Martiini seems to be fond of -- said kernel is not in the pool *smug grin* |
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| 15:11.00 | mrglinux | Nyle before that a Xserver must be run ? |
| 15:11.06 | Nyle | mrglinux, that is correct |
| 15:11.13 | Nyle | mrglinux, I thought you already had one running |
| 15:11.24 | Nyle | mrglinux, if you don't have X running on server, no problem, just start vncserver |
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| 15:11.37 | Nyle | X shouldn't be on a server to begin with |
| 15:11.44 | wols | lvh: their current hardy kernel is a 2.6.24 variant |
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| 15:11.57 | mofino | How do I list available packages? |
| 15:12.10 | Nyle | mofino, type aptitude |
| 15:12.11 | lvh | wols: which most likely has a lot of borrowed patches from 2.6.25 and is nowhere near the requested 2.4.24 vanilla |
| 15:12.11 | mofino | From the source |
| 15:12.15 | wols | apt-cache search stuff |
| 15:12.16 | mofino | no, list |
| 15:12.18 | mofino | no |
| 15:12.20 | Nyle | mofino, package list? |
| 15:12.20 | mofino | LIST |
| 15:12.25 | mofino | from the command line |
| 15:12.29 | wols | mofino: so does debian's. just not as much probably |
| 15:12.29 | Nyle | they are downloaded to where exactly.. I forgot |
| 15:12.40 | Nyle | or you can just check the list of packages online |
| 15:12.42 | mofino | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:12.49 | Martiini | lvh: what the hell are those then http://packages.ubuntu.com/source/hardy/linux-backports-modules-2.6.24 ,, you lying prick .. If I have on in ubuntu then how can you tell me its not there |
| 15:12.49 | wols | Nyle: while doable packages.gz is bad for browsing. aptitude is best |
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| 15:12.56 | mofino | Without having to parse this, is there a method to list it? |
| 15:13.00 | Nyle | wols, of course, as was my initial suggestion |
| 15:13.06 | lvh | Martiini: backports |
| 15:13.08 | Nyle | you're right |
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| 15:13.27 | wols | Martiini: cause debian is not ubuntu. Typi8cal ID1OT error |
| 15:13.28 | Nyle | Martiini, pleae refrain from namecalling |
| 15:13.28 | mrglinux | Nyle I just installed xfce4 after that some package that you said .. now I run tought according to that manual and it said *** x11vnc was unable to open the X DISPLAY: ":0", it cannot continue. so if I shoul run a xserver I have to install it ? |
| 15:13.29 | lvh | Martiini: which i'm sure Nyle et al told you where you could get them for debian |
| 15:13.31 | mofino | None of these suggestions create command line friendly list |
| 15:13.32 | stew | Martiini: i'm silencing you for 10 minutes. please keep the conversation more civil and on-topic |
| 15:13.33 | Paddy_EIRE | hey does anyone no that status of openhal |
| 15:13.39 | Paddy_EIRE | *know |
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| 15:13.50 | Nyle | i don't |
| 15:13.54 | Paddy_EIRE | !openhal > Paddy_EIRE |
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| 15:14.01 | Nyle | !openhal |
| 15:14.01 | dpkg | from memory, openhal is an open-source implementation of the Atheros HAL: http://madwifi.org/wiki/OpenHAL |
| 15:14.18 | Paddy_EIRE | cheers Nyle |
| 15:14.20 | enouf | !hal9000 |
| 15:14.21 | dpkg | HAL9000 is your idol, someone give me access to the life support controls! |
| 15:14.21 | wols | Paddy_EIRE: current development centers on ath5k kernel module |
| 15:14.29 | wols | Paddy_EIRE: which is not there (yet) |
| 15:14.35 | Paddy_EIRE | oh.. I see |
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| 15:15.14 | lvh | unfortunately the latest EEEPC appears to have a ralink wifi chip and not an atheros one :-( |
| 15:15.23 | Paddy_EIRE | really? |
| 15:15.31 | Paddy_EIRE | I wonder why the change |
| 15:15.37 | lvh | disclaimer: I didn't buy one yet. |
| 15:15.40 | lvh | Paddy_EIRE: 802.11n? |
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| 15:15.45 | Paddy_EIRE | hm |
| 15:15.50 | wols | Paddy_EIRE: price |
| 15:15.56 | Paddy_EIRE | ah.. ofcourse |
| 15:16.24 | lvh | Paddy_EIRE: also, what wols said -- atheros chips are always amazingly better than any other wifi chip, and, you get what you pay for (in this case, quite a lot) |
| 15:16.37 | Paddy_EIRE | well I guess I will have to be satisfied with having some non-free components in my debian install :( |
| 15:16.52 | Nyle | on-free is part of life |
| 15:16.54 | wols | Paddy_EIRE: give it some time and it will go away |
| 15:16.55 | mrglinux | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.56 | Nyle | non* |
| 15:17.06 | Paddy_EIRE | wols: I plan on it |
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| 15:17.16 | Nyle | mrglinux, you don't want X on a server |
| 15:17.20 | wols | mrglinux: etch? |
| 15:17.25 | Nyle | mrglinux, at least in my opinion you don't. |
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| 15:17.34 | mrglinux | wols yes |
| 15:17.41 | Paddy_EIRE | Nyle: yeah you dont need X on a server at all |
| 15:17.51 | Paddy_EIRE | wastefull IMHO |
| 15:17.54 | Nyle | mrglinux, just use vncserver |
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| 15:18.11 | wols | vncserver is an X servr under another name |
| 15:18.20 | lvh | Paddy_EIRE: ralink is okay, just not as good as atheros. rt2x00 is workable. The legacy version is not :-) |
| 15:18.20 | Nyle | yes, but it doesn't require a running X |
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| 15:18.37 | mrglinux | Nyle but when I run vncserver I get http://phpfi.com/337345 |
| 15:18.44 | wols | it does. it has a full x protocol. full xlibs, everything. just hidden in another bianry |
| 15:18.52 | wols | it's not the binary name X that's bad... |
| 15:18.57 | Paddy_EIRE | lvh: oh.. you got any more info/links on the chipset? |
| 15:19.04 | Nyle | I understand |
| 15:19.19 | Paddy_EIRE | lvh: and is there a Debian-eeePC project ? |
| 15:19.21 | wols | mrglinux: you have not installed X properly |
| 15:19.23 | Nyle | !tell mrglinux -about fixed |
| 15:19.27 | wols | !eeepc |
| 15:19.27 | dpkg | http://debian-eeepc.alioth.debian.org/, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianEeePC, or #debian-eeepc @ irc.oftc.net |
| 15:19.28 | lvh | Paddy_EIRE: yes |
| 15:19.31 | Paddy_EIRE | cool |
| 15:19.33 | Paddy_EIRE | :D |
| 15:19.37 | SethX | 'lo |
| 15:19.45 | SethX | how to get fileinfo support on php in debian? |
| 15:19.46 | lvh | Paddy_EIRE: mainly for older models |
| 15:19.50 | wols | mrglinux: /msg dpkg install X |
| 15:19.59 | SethX | is there a package, or do i have to compile php from source, once again? |
| 15:20.00 | lvh | Paddy_EIRE: noone has bothered to buy a 1000 yet and take a proper look at it afaik |
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| 15:20.20 | mrglinux | wols I instal xorg X installed |
| 15:20.23 | Paddy_EIRE | lvh: perhaps I shall wait a while to see how it pans out |
| 15:20.26 | Nyle | wols, initially he wanted to do something with X, I asked if he wanted to serve up a running X or use a seeprate display... the thought about telling him not to use X on a server came much later |
| 15:20.31 | Nyle | :) |
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| 15:20.51 | wols | SethX: check the php source package. if you compile it on your own compile that debian source, NOT directly from cvs or tarball |
| 15:20.55 | Nyle | I would stick to ssh personally |
| 15:21.05 | mrglinux | its good |
| 15:21.15 | SethX | wols: i knew that, but youre telling me its not in debian repository, aight? |
| 15:21.26 | wols | mrglinux: xlibs are ok. not really good but X, but a full X server, that's just useless |
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| 15:21.43 | lvh | SethX: apt-get install libmagic1-dev && pecl install Fileinfo && # add extension=fileinfo.so to /etc/php5/cli/php.ini and /etc/php5/chi/php.ini |
| 15:21.52 | lvh | SethX: ln -s /usr/share/file/magic /etc/magic.mime |
| 15:21.54 | wols | SethX: doubt anyone knows off the top of his to be honest. I'd check the source packages. faster than waiting for an answer :) |
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| 15:22.04 | lvh | wols: hah! |
| 15:22.11 | SethX | wols: hah too early :D |
| 15:22.15 | SethX | wow thanks lvh |
| 15:22.18 | wols | lvh: mea culpa. thought was some inbuilt stuff |
| 15:22.22 | SethX | where did you come up with that |
| 15:22.54 | Nyle | man |
| 15:22.55 | wols | SethX: standard for PECL packages. |
| 15:23.01 | lvh | SethX: No idea where it's physically located, but I assume somewhere between my ears, nose, hair and throat. |
| 15:23.01 | Nyle | I like iceweasel3 a lot |
| 15:23.16 | Nyle | just that a lot of my fav extentions are not working yet, but I still like it |
| 15:23.21 | wols | Nyle: it was needed after the discgrace named ff2 |
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| 15:23.28 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:23.28 | wols | -c |
| 15:23.39 | Nyle | I just hate the fact that this browser became exactly what it set out not to be |
| 15:23.40 | crackintosh | I messed up the paths on my root account when editing .profile to add a path to the java vm. Now I cannot execute any applications |
| 15:23.41 | SethX | grin |
| 15:23.43 | SethX | thanks man |
| 15:23.43 | Nyle | i.e., bloat |
| 15:23.44 | lvh | SethX: also I had to come up with this myself yesterday ^^ |
| 15:23.49 | SethX | aaahh hahah |
| 15:23.49 | SethX | :D |
| 15:23.53 | mrglinux | Nyle: vncserver run without any error or massage and I got http://phpfi.com/337346 what shall I do now? connect with vncviewer to my host |
| 15:23.58 | SethX | drupal or .. ? |
| 15:23.59 | lvh | SethX: except i got paid for it then |
| 15:24.03 | Nyle | mrglinux, thats right |
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| 15:24.05 | Nyle | mrglinux, you got it |
| 15:24.13 | lvh | SethX: no idea, i make other peoples php work and they pay me for it |
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| 15:24.18 | crackintosh | I want an error massage |
| 15:24.24 | Nyle | mrglinux, make sure if you have a firewall to allow for ports 5800/5900 |
| 15:24.25 | SethX | lvh: its good business :D |
| 15:24.30 | vedant | Hi, does linux work great with the Seagate FreeAgent hard disks? |
| 15:24.35 | Nyle | mrglinux, also forward those on router if you have one |
| 15:24.40 | vedant | I heard they didn't support linux very well |
| 15:24.43 | mrglinux | Nyle: yes I think I check because I get Unable to connect to VNC server |
| 15:24.44 | SethX | lvh: mind a query? |
| 15:24.58 | lvh | SethX: if i called myself a consultant I'd be doing the same things except I'd have to wear suits, get three times the pay check, and I'd probably also become less useful overnight |
| 15:25.01 | lvh | SethX: shoot |
| 15:25.08 | lvh | SethX: I ignore questions that are too hard |
| 15:25.19 | Nyle | mrglinux, also netstat -a should show you if you're listening through it |
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| 15:25.43 | mrglinux | Nyle with nmap I got 5901/tcp open vnc-1 |
| 15:26.09 | wols | lvh: but you might make 6 figures. and there are worse things. you could have become a SAP conslutant |
| 15:26.10 | Nyle | strange, tell your client to connect to 5901 then |
| 15:26.28 | mrglinux | Nyle: also 6001/tcp open X11:1 means I run some program with ssh |
| 15:26.32 | wols | mrglinux: lemme guess there is a X already running? |
| 15:26.39 | Martiini | ok |
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| 15:27.02 | Martiini | ok, my bad .. I didnt know there was http://snapshot.debian.net/ .. you shuld have told me to search that |
| 15:27.11 | Martiini | sorry |
| 15:27.13 | Nyle | Martiini, you were told by wols |
| 15:27.15 | wols | Martiini: it was the first thing I told you |
| 15:27.22 | Martiini | alright .. sorry |
| 15:27.25 | Nyle | its ok |
| 15:27.26 | Paddy_EIRE | lvh: perhaps I shall search for the older atheros model on ebay or something... any suggestions? |
| 15:27.49 | wols | Paddy_EIRE: read the madwifi.org compatibility list. it's pretty big |
| 15:28.02 | lvh | Paddy_EIRE: what box is it for |
| 15:28.09 | mrglinux | wols I think... I have this in ps -e http://phpfi.com/337349 |
| 15:28.24 | Paddy_EIRE | lvh: lol no I'm contemplating buying a eee |
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| 15:28.45 | Paddy_EIRE | wols: no my lappy is supported by madwifif |
| 15:28.49 | Paddy_EIRE | *madwifi |
| 15:28.59 | dak- | anyone know when lenny is going to go stable ? |
| 15:29.02 | Nyle | that wifi is mad, yo |
| 15:29.02 | dak- | or when abouts |
| 15:29.02 | lvh | Paddy_EIRE: the old ones have atheroses, the new ones don't, but I'm not sure what the socket is on the new ones, or if the ralink things are even replaceable |
| 15:29.07 | Nyle | dak-, few more months |
| 15:29.08 | dak- | ?about lenny |
| 15:29.12 | dak- | k cool thanks nyle |
| 15:29.13 | wols | !tell dak WIR |
| 15:29.19 | lvh | dak-: when it's done -- I know its an annoying answer, but, well... |
| 15:29.31 | Nyle | dak-, perhaps by the end of this year |
| 15:29.35 | dak- | lvh i just needed a general idea |
| 15:29.35 | Paddy_EIRE | !lenny | dak- |
| 15:29.38 | Nyle | dak-, check back during december... |
| 15:29.49 | Nyle | Paddy_EIRE, dpkg doesn't do thsoe kind of thins |
| 15:29.56 | Paddy_EIRE | oh silly me |
| 15:30.00 | Nyle | !tell Paddy_EIRE -about dpkgbot |
| 15:30.00 | wols | dak-: there never ever is a set debian release date until really shortly before. only thing you can go on is, if debian hands out a release date they miss it :) |
| 15:30.02 | doublehp | dhcp-relay problem : i am trying to relay dhcp from ethernet to wifi: the dhcp server is my wifi AP (master). I plugged a Windows station on thernet; here are logs from the ethernet/wifi (managed) bridge (parprouted eth0-wlan1): http://rafb.net/p/x9xgQl33.html : i obviously dpont get answer; any idea ? other wifi clients get IPs => DHCP server is ok. |
| 15:30.15 | wols | unfortunately it doesn't. it's handy |
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| 15:32.14 | Nyle | thanks to that dude yesterday |
| 15:32.26 | wols | hm? |
| 15:32.33 | Nyle | browser.urlbar.maxRichResults;90 |
| 15:32.34 | mrglinux | wols now what do you think? what's wrong ? |
| 15:32.50 | Nyle | in iceweasel3, I can have a very large list of previously typed urls |
| 15:32.51 | wols | mrglinux: dunno |
| 15:32.53 | Nyle | cool |
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| 15:33.00 | Nyle | I set it to 90, and 90days history too |
| 15:33.12 | Nyle | mrglinux, whats the matter man? |
| 15:33.17 | Paddy_EIRE | Nyle: that seems useful |
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| 15:33.38 | mrglinux | Nyle I could not connect to my host with vncviewer |
| 15:33.57 | Nyle | mrglinux, did you specify port 5901 just for kicks? |
| 15:33.59 | Paddy_EIRE | mrglinux: ports forwarded correctly? |
| 15:34.02 | Nyle | mrglinux, try it |
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| 15:34.10 | Nyle | Paddy_EIRE, I told him that, check firewall/nat/router etc. |
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| 15:34.18 | Paddy_EIRE | yeah thats the problem |
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| 15:34.31 | Paddy_EIRE | 9/10 its ports |
| 15:34.44 | mrglinux | Nyle means in vncviewr option must be use ? |
| 15:34.50 | Nyle | yessir |
| 15:35.14 | Nyle | mrglinux, and maybe you need to specify ip:display |
| 15:35.33 | mrglinux | Nyle I succeed |
| 15:35.36 | Nyle | like xx.x.xxx.x:1 (if vncserver is running on :1) |
| 15:35.47 | Nyle | mrglinux, yay =_ |
| 15:35.49 | Nyle | ) |
| 15:35.55 | Paddy_EIRE | cool |
| 15:36.03 | mrglinux | :) |
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| 15:36.11 | lvh | Nyle: mrglinux's great success is somewhat dampened by your inability to type a smiley |
| 15:36.18 | Paddy_EIRE | lol |
| 15:36.19 | Nyle | =) |
| 15:36.21 | Nyle | heh |
| 15:36.45 | Paddy_EIRE | lvh: just because he has no eyes leave him alone |
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| 15:36.56 | Paddy_EIRE | braile IRC |
| 15:37.05 | Brahmana | I just installed libpng2-dev (on Woody) using apt-get, but it has not added any .pc files |
| 15:37.17 | wols | Brahmana: what are .pc files? |
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| 15:37.31 | Brahmana | dpkg -L libpng does not show me any .pc files -- the pkgconfig files |
| 15:37.32 | dpkg | ii libpng does not show me any .pc files -- the pkgconfig files 1.4-4 brahmana's private stamp collection |
| 15:37.38 | Exilant | This may be a unimportant and weird question, but why does apt have super-cow powers, and what are those powers? |
| 15:37.55 | Paddy_EIRE | Exilant: google |
| 15:37.55 | wols | Brahmana: pkgconfig? what are they? |
| 15:38.13 | Nyle | Exilant, please ask your specific question regarding apt. |
| 15:38.22 | Nyle | !tell Exilant -about sicco |
| 15:38.35 | Brahmana | wonders if wols is testing my knowledge of pkgconfig . If so I must say I do not know much. |
| 15:39.01 | Nyle | !pkgconfig |
| 15:39.01 | dpkg | hmm... pkgconfig is in http://pkgconfig.sourceforge.net |
| 15:39.02 | wols | Brahmana: there is no such thing in debian. why would one use it? |
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| 15:39.23 | wols | !wayttd Brahmana |
| 15:39.23 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Brahmana? |
| 15:39.32 | wols | Brahmana: and for the record: never heard of pkgconfig before |
| 15:39.44 | ronr | anyone here knows if Apache License 2.0 is compatibily with LGPL 3.0 (ie. can I include Apache License 2 software in a bundle and redistribute it under LGPL license, keeping Apache license headers intact on those source files that were originally Apache licensed?) |
| 15:39.47 | Brahmana | The problem is that after this installation when I try to build cairo, during the configure, it says it is unable to find libpng and before the error there is a warning saying libpng was not found in the pkgconfig path |
| 15:39.50 | themill | Brahmana: use apt-file to search for the .pc files |
| 15:39.57 | Nyle | dpkg pkgconfig is also a helper tool used when compiling applications and libraries. |
| 15:39.58 | dpkg | Nyle: okay |
| 15:40.40 | Brahmana | themill, apt-file search libpng2.pc -- thats the one? |
| 15:40.45 | Nyle | ronr, afaik it wasn't with 2.0, not sure with 3 |
| 15:40.46 | wols | debian installs the headerfiles in normal include directories for the -dev package and the libary in normal systemwide lib dirs |
| 15:40.53 | Nyle | ronr, perhaps check google |
| 15:40.56 | wols | so simple -lpng is enough |
| 15:41.06 | Brahmana | ok.. |
| 15:41.17 | Brahmana | I wonder what the cairo script is looking for. |
| 15:41.29 | wols | there are things like gkt-config which do what you want and are used, but afaik not for libpng |
| 15:41.32 | themill | Brahmana: I don't know what the .pc file is called though. You might need something brutal like: apt-file search .pc | grep png |
| 15:41.51 | Brahmana | apt-file command not found |
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| 15:42.00 | wols | themill: do you think pkgconfig would be needed for libpng? |
| 15:42.00 | themill | dpkg: tell Brahmana about apt-file |
| 15:42.06 | mrglinux | what do you suggest for a very small browser ? |
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| 15:42.22 | wols | dillo? |
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| 15:42.27 | wols | links2 -g |
| 15:42.35 | Paddy_EIRE | <3 |
| 15:42.41 | enouf | \o/ |
| 15:42.42 | themill | wols: it will be used by something (in this case cairo) building things with libpng. |
| 15:42.50 | cydork | wols: he will need it if he is compiling something.. some configure scripts require .pc files.. |
| 15:42.51 | keith4 | so, I'm trying to watch a DVD, and mplayer can play it fine. but I can't find the right track to play, because lsdvd errors and dies |
| 15:43.00 | keith4 | "libdvdread: Invalid IFO for title 7 (VTS_07_0.IFO)." |
| 15:43.16 | sharkk | hi, how could i find the package name that a file belong to? thanks |
| 15:43.18 | ronr | Nyle: I did and I found it's compatible with GPL, can't find anything about LGPL |
| 15:43.47 | enouf | dpkg -S filename or apt-file |
| 15:43.47 | dpkg | Package: filename or apt-file: Status: install ok installed |
| 15:43.52 | streuner | keith4: and xine playing that DVD? |
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| 15:43.57 | enouf | heh |
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| 15:44.03 | sharkk | thanks to all :) |
| 15:44.07 | keith4 | streuner: dunno. don't have xine |
| 15:44.07 | themill | wols: it's a layer that's supposed to make the "find the right version of the library for the compilation" game easier. |
| 15:44.15 | streuner | !installit |
| 15:44.16 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get, or aptitude |
| 15:44.33 | enouf | sharkk: former for installed, latter for not installed - also checkout dlocate |
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| 15:44.49 | keith4 | streuner: yah, thanks. not interested in xine. if I were, I'd have installed it |
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| 15:45.02 | sharkk | ok |
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| 15:45.34 | streuner | keith4: what is so hard to install xine, it needs a few MBs... |
| 15:45.39 | Brahmana | cydork, yes.. I am building cairo and the script is looking for libpng.pc file |
| 15:45.52 | jelly | keith4: there's also vlc |
| 15:45.52 | enouf | sharkk: do "/msg dpkg search" in your irc client for even more info |
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| 15:46.16 | streuner | keith4: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 15:46.16 | jelly | finds mplayer's dvd support sketchy |
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| 15:46.21 | Brahmana | themill, cydork, So how do I get a .pc file now? |
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| 15:46.28 | Nyle | NO FUCKING MENUS |
| 15:46.30 | Nyle | OPS |
| 15:46.32 | Nyle | damit |
| 15:46.34 | cydork | Brahmana: so install apt-file, do apt-file update and apt-file search libpng.pc |
| 15:46.46 | Nyle | I need a new k/b |
| 15:46.49 | wols | could it be in the libpng sources? |
| 15:46.51 | enouf | !tourrettesmite Nyle |
| 15:46.58 | keith4 | streuner: it says i'm using lenny |
| 15:46.59 | streuner | !guess |
| 15:47.00 | dpkg | it has been said that guess is an hypothesis based on nothing |
| 15:47.01 | keith4 | so relax |
| 15:47.03 | Nyle | ey! I resent that! |
| 15:47.04 | streuner | !know |
| 15:47.05 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 15:47.08 | streuner | argh |
| 15:47.16 | Nyle | !comfort streuner |
| 15:47.16 | dpkg | There, there, streuner. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 15:47.16 | Martiini | what is the apt line for sid backports repos ... please |
| 15:47.17 | streuner | somebody deleted the factoid |
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| 15:47.18 | jelly | !botabuse |
| 15:47.19 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 15:47.25 | Nyle | !penixstrike jelly |
| 15:47.25 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking jelly to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 15:47.29 | Nyle | hah! ;) |
| 15:47.43 | Nyle | Martiini, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 15:47.54 | stew | Martiini: there isn't a sid backports repo. there is backports.org which is lenny packages backported to etch |
| 15:47.55 | enouf | !tell Martiini -about ssb |
| 15:48.01 | enouf | oh |
| 15:48.07 | keith4 | oddly enough, i don't have vlc installed either. but, totem seems to play it fine too |
| 15:48.09 | mrglinux | Nyle :) I can run program with just root user |
| 15:48.10 | doublehp | dhcp-relay problem : i am trying to relay dhcp from ethernet to wifi: the dhcp server is my wifi AP (master). I plugged a Windows station on thernet; here are logs from the ethernet/wifi (managed) bridge (parprouted eth0-wlan1): http://rafb.net/p/x9xgQl33.html : i obviously dpont get answer; any idea ? other wifi clients get IPs => DHCP server is ok. |
| 15:48.26 | streuner | keith4: well, totem uses xine engine... |
| 15:48.26 | Nyle | mrglinux, not good over unecrypted vnc |
| 15:48.29 | Nyle | over the internet |
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| 15:48.34 | Nyle | mrglinux, very bad practice... |
| 15:49.09 | keith4 | and gmplayer seems okay, too. so gstreamer can read it. what's the deal with lsdvd then? |
| 15:49.10 | themill | Brahmana: have you installed apt-file and run apt-file search .pc | grep png? |
| 15:49.15 | cydork | wols: it should be in some -dev package.. |
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| 15:49.29 | mrglinux | Nyle I get Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server |
| 15:49.44 | mrglinux | Nyle: with another user |
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| 15:51.26 | buntfalke | i want to have vim with syntac highlighting, thus i removed the " before 'syntax on' in /etc/vim/vimrc and now get the following error msg "E319: Sorry, the command is not available in this version: syntax on" |
| 15:51.40 | buntfalke | it's the 'vim' pkg i installed |
| 15:51.55 | stew | buntfalke: install vim-full |
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| 15:53.11 | buntfalke | Vi IMproved - enhanced vi editor (transitional package) This package is simply a transitional package from vim-full to vim-gnome. |
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| 15:53.43 | buntfalke | Omg. Who, as a non-gnome user, would ever suspect it is -gnome he would need to install?! |
| 15:53.49 | buntfalke | My god... |
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| 15:54.45 | themill | !vim syntax highlighting |
| 15:54.45 | dpkg | i guess vim syntax highlighting is a way to make vim highlight script or source code syntax. Install 'vim' (or 'vim-runtime' if you prefer using 'vim-tiny') and type ':syntax on' when in vim. You can have it start each time with vim by adding 'syntax on' to your ~/.vimrc file. |
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| 15:55.27 | buntfalke | themill: so why does it fail when i write 'syntax on' systemwide to /etc/vim/vimrc? |
| 15:55.39 | buntfalke | how could i debug this? |
| 15:56.44 | themill | buntfalke: I'm using vim from backports.org and have the vim, vim-common, vim-runtime packages installed. Can't really tell you much more. |
| 15:56.57 | buntfalke | uh...forget it. i could swear it was 'vim' that was installed, but it was -tiny |
| 15:57.14 | buntfalke | seems like i skipped the 'Not' when i checked before... |
| 15:57.29 | themill | :) |
| 15:58.23 | buntfalke | .oO(...maybe one should change it to "Installed" and "Deinstalled"...ui-designers will ponder their minds about this for ages...) |
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| 16:12.51 | levander | I need to encrypt some files. Is the gnupg the pretty much standard way of doing this? |
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| 16:15.19 | norbert_ | hi all, does anyone know how I can take a screenshot in PNG-quality (so, lossless), _with_ the cursor visible? |
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| 16:23.30 | ale666 | hello :) how to upgrade a specific package in debian without having to upgrade the entire system? thank you. |
| 16:23.50 | stew | ale666: aptitude install packagename |
| 16:23.51 | avu | ale666, aptitude instal thepackage |
| 16:23.55 | avu | doh |
| 16:24.07 | ale666 | and with apt, apt-get install? |
| 16:24.13 | stew | ale666: yes |
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| 16:25.11 | ale666 | if i want to dnl and compile manualy, should i remove a debian package? |
| 16:25.13 | ale666 | the |
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| 16:25.47 | ale666 | i want to get the newest lynx, on debian it dates back 2004 |
| 16:25.52 | stew | ale666: you should create a newer version of the debian package: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 16:26.39 | stew | ale666: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:28.43 | themill | !info lynx etch |
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| 16:29.10 | dpkg | lynx: (Text-mode WWW Browser), section web, is optional. Version: 2.8.5-2sarge2.2 (etch), Packaged size: 1815 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 16:29.13 | themill | ^^ check the version number :( |
| 16:29.15 | stew | a new upstream version was uploaded to sid in may |
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| 16:30.37 | ale666 | Lynx Version 2.8.5rel.1 (04 Feb 2004) |
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| 16:31.54 | stew | ale666: i'd recommend backporting the sid version: Version 2.8.7dev.9 (27 Apr 2008) |
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| 16:33.53 | meff | is there a way to switch back to the hd* layout for cd devices in sid? im having multiple issues with my dvd drives being scd* and such |
| 16:34.06 | wols | what issues? |
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| 16:34.28 | meff | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:34.38 | stew | meff: you should be able to refer to the cd as /dev/cdrom or /dev/cdrw in any case |
| 16:34.48 | stew | or /dev/dvd |
| 16:34.52 | ale666 | how do i install this package? looks like i can only get the source code. also should i remove my lynx install before installing it? |
| 16:34.53 | meff | stew: i know, not probs with the dev name, but the layer |
| 16:35.12 | stew | ale666: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 16:35.40 | stew | ale666: you'd install it with "dpkg -i /path/to/.deb" after you build the .deb with the above instructions |
| 16:36.33 | ale666 | stew: can i actually change sources.list to include sid? |
| 16:36.45 | stew | ale666: you can, but you shouldn't |
| 16:37.09 | ale666 | stew: why not? |
| 16:37.48 | stew | ale666: because sid is broken, and is only meant to be used by developers |
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| 16:38.08 | stew | ale666: and it would be silly to upgrade your install to sid, just for a newer version of lynx |
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| 16:41.17 | ale666 | stew: what does building the dev exactly do? pardon my ignorance. |
| 16:41.40 | stew | ale666: compile a newer version of lynx for your system |
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| 16:44.08 | LemensTS | Anyone know a free way to remove password from pdf document so i can print it? I cant find a free program to do this |
| 16:44.13 | jhanssen | Hi guys, it's a Kernel question, what my system is not shutting down properly, I mean at the end of the shutdown I see a message "System Halted", Do you know what should be the kernel option that change it to a normal shutdown when wanted ? |
| 16:44.20 | mrglinux | I need flash player plugin for debian 64 biti . is there ? |
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| 16:44.57 | abrotman | !nspluginwrapper |
| 16:44.57 | dpkg | methinks nspluginwrapper is a wrapper allowing you to use 32-bit browser plugins in a native x86_64 browser. It is known to work with <Adobe Flash> and a few others. Debian packages are in the <contrib> archive for lenny and later; ask me about <backports.org> for etch packages. |
| 16:45.06 | keith4 | LemensTS: pdf2ps, then ps2pdf ? |
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| 16:46.18 | LemensTS | keith: thanks i will try that |
| 16:47.00 | Brahmana | themill, still there? |
| 16:47.13 | manu_hack | finanlly I choose to downgrade iceweasel, iceweasel3 crash on me too many times ... |
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| 16:47.30 | mrglinux | ok |
| 16:47.54 | Zmax | Hi all, I am looking for some repositories, when I installed debian etch, I hadn't setup them. Now I have only the security ones. Where can I find a list of available repositories for a "normal desktop use" or furter information about this issue? Thanks |
| 16:47.56 | themill | Brahmana: no |
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| 16:48.03 | [twisti] | http://JennyTheBitch.com/?id=55c519ca lol |
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| 16:48.21 | wols | can someone please ban [twisti] ? |
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| 16:48.25 | Brahmana | themill, I tried aptitude install apt-file, got this (surprising) error: bash: aptitude: command not found |
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| 16:48.35 | themill | thanks, stew |
| 16:49.27 | themill | Brahmana: do you have aptitude installed? |
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| 16:49.36 | fr00g | afaik, there is an entry somewhere in /proc/pid/, that let me check how much memory does the process use . where is it exactly? |
| 16:50.01 | Brahmana | themill, I thought that came with the system by default |
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| 16:50.09 | wols | fr00g: ps aux|less |
| 16:50.10 | n3kl | Hey, I am following some howto and it talks about a command 'install-mbr', in which package do you suppose this exists? |
| 16:50.23 | wols | fr00g: of course "used memory" is a very meaningless |
| 16:50.30 | themill | Brahmana: yes.. normally... what's the output of: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 16:50.59 | Brahmana | themill, ii libc6 2.2.5-11.5aka4 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
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| 16:51.19 | ivx | hello i got a vps that came with a minimal install. is there an apt-get something to have it install all the packages it would if installed with base install selected |
| 16:51.44 | themill | Brahmana: what!!?! |
| 16:51.52 | wols | wow |
| 16:52.16 | wols | Brahmana: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 16:52.21 | Brahmana | 3.0 |
| 16:52.23 | Brahmana | Woody |
| 16:52.30 | wols | upgrade to etch |
| 16:52.32 | irule | how reliable is mdadm for software RAID1? I plan or creating a backup server with a couple SATA 500 GB HDs :s |
| 16:52.40 | wols | first to sarge, then to etch |
| 16:52.51 | Jemt | Greetz. I have Linux on a USB stick which I use on many computers. I would like to be able to identify each computer somehow. An obvious choice would have been to look at the computer's MAC address - but the network adapter is not recognized on all computers. Any other suggestions? It don't have to be 100% unique though that's preferable |
| 16:53.01 | Brahmana | wols, Upgrade is not an option. Its an organizational limitation. |
| 16:53.06 | Brahmana | :( |
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| 16:53.30 | wols | Brahmana: that org is stupid. sarge is WAY out of support and has more holes like cheese probably |
| 16:53.30 | themill | Brahmana: so you're just going to run around compiling stuff like cairo (and presumably firefox 3) anyway... |
| 16:53.57 | JyZyXEL | when you shutdown you computer don't the HD's somehow "lock" themselves? |
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| 16:54.04 | themill | has memories of having had this conversation with Brahmana before... |
| 16:54.05 | wols | JyZyXEL: lock? |
| 16:54.27 | JyZyXEL | like that the HD's wont take damage when you toss them around |
| 16:54.41 | wols | yes they do |
| 16:54.46 | wols | "parking" |
| 16:54.50 | JyZyXEL | yea that |
| 16:54.55 | wols | a hdd does it when it loses power automatically |
| 16:55.07 | JyZyXEL | and that makes it more resistant to vibration? |
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| 16:55.17 | JyZyXEL | i intend to take my machine with me to the car |
| 16:55.18 | wols | JyZyXEL: do you have a debian question |
| 16:55.20 | wols | ? |
| 16:55.28 | JyZyXEL | this is debian question |
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| 16:55.34 | JyZyXEL | there is debian on that HD |
| 16:55.37 | wols | no it's not. it's a hardware question |
| 16:55.53 | Brahmana | themill, I have to make sure that building FF3 is totally impossible on Woody.. then I can tell the org that work is stalled because of old OS and then they will upgrade it soon |
| 16:56.10 | wols | libgtk 2.10 on woody. fun |
| 16:56.34 | themill | Brahmana: it's probably not totally impossible... you'll just end up with a machine that looks a lot like a lenny machine... |
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| 16:57.22 | wols | Brahmana: but the time spend until you get there and the continued time to stay on top of security flaws. don't want to add up what all that time costs |
| 16:57.33 | themill | Brahmana: making a lenny chroot using cdebootstrap is probably the easiest approach. You might need to backport cdebootstrap from sid first though. |
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| 17:00.37 | Brahmana | themill, wols, I, personally, certainly want to upgrade to etch. But I am bound by the work of the IT folks. So instead of simply waiting for them to upgrade the whole org, I am trying to build FF3 on this machine (of course only if it is withing practicable limits). |
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| 17:01.09 | Jemt | If I have a Linux installation on a USB stick and uses it on many computers with network adapters only working with the NDIS Wrapper, can I then just load all the Windows drivers for all those machines? Or will NDISWrapper only work if only load drivers for network adapters present on the system ? |
| 17:01.14 | Dan6688 | can I do something like, ---> chmod +x "*fasl" or something like that? |
| 17:01.29 | Dan6688 | -type f -name "*fasl", or something like that |
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| 17:03.15 | Jemt | "Or will NDISWrapper only work if I only load drivers for network adapters present on the system ?" |
| 17:03.35 | Brahmana | themill, wols , So I request you guys to bear with me for a little more time and help me. Starting with getting the .pc files for libpng, please. |
| 17:03.51 | et | Dan6688: what's preventing you from doing that? |
| 17:03.59 | themill | Brahmana: there's a reasonable chance that they are not in woody. |
| 17:04.19 | Dan6688 | et: just wondering whether it works like that, I suppose I should just try it out |
| 17:04.27 | Brahmana | themill, Even when there is a libpng and libpng-dev package for woody? |
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| 17:04.53 | ale666 | stew: it's building 2.8.5 bu tnot the newest i followed the instructions give by the bot |
| 17:05.07 | themill | Brahmana: if they are in any package, they will be in the -dev package. But I have nfc if they are in there or not. You'll need to use either apt-file or install them and use dpkg to find out |
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| 17:05.46 | stew | ale666: show us your sources.list ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 17:06.11 | Brahmana | themill, apt-file is the way to go for me here, I guess. I installed the libpng2-dev package with apt-get itself. But now I want to know how to install apt-file. |
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| 17:06.38 | themill | Brahmana: take a wild guess here.... |
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| 17:07.12 | roler | after upgrading to the latest testing, i'm getting random php segmentation faults (php in the command line) but I have no idea why or what to do in order to fix this. Are there any logs i can examine? |
| 17:07.44 | Brahmana | themill, With aptitude not installed and apt-get install apt-file not working, I am out of guesses.. |
| 17:08.05 | nicfer | one question, I've installed tvtime on my debian and all the channels are the same |
| 17:08.09 | themill | Brahmana: ahh... perhaps apt-file is not in woody. You're stretching the memory here... |
| 17:08.16 | nicfer | what's going on? |
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| 17:08.57 | doublehp | dhcp-relay problem : i am trying to relay dhcp from ethernet to wifi: the dhcp server is my wifi AP (master). I plugged a Windows station on thernet; here are logs from the ethernet/wifi (managed) bridge (parprouted eth0-wlan1): http://rafb.net/p/x9xgQl33.html : i obviously dpont get answer; any idea ? other wifi clients get IPs => DHCP server is ok. |
| 17:09.44 | Brahmana | themill, look at this: http://archive.debian.org/pool/main/a/apt-file/ |
| 17:09.58 | cast | is a backprot of ff3 to etch likely? |
| 17:10.13 | Brahmana | themill, The .deb there should be good for me right? |
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| 17:10.17 | rahsputin | ciao, i am using etch stable, i would like to install a newer version of dillo, what can or are there any suggestions how i should edit /etc/apt/sources.lists to do so....? |
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| 17:10.50 | themill | Brahmana: probably... but if apt-get isn't finding it then you've got other things that you need to fix first. |
| 17:11.14 | cast | rahsputin: nope. |
| 17:11.29 | rahsputin | what i mean is like can unstable or testing... which one is "stabler" |
| 17:11.37 | rahsputin | cast, ^^^ |
| 17:11.42 | pgpkeys | uhhh |
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| 17:11.43 | willluongo | rahsputin: Testing |
| 17:11.52 | willluongo | rahsputin: is more stable than unstable |
| 17:11.56 | cast | rahsputin: check to see if there's a backport [backports.org], bbut you should not mix stable/testing |
| 17:11.58 | rahsputin | lol |
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| 17:12.18 | Brahmana | themill, The reason for apt-get not finding it might be because of the restricted locations in my sources.list. Inside here we pull stuff from a local mirror. |
| 17:12.19 | rahsputin | there is nothing in etch-backports |
| 17:12.19 | cast | rahsputin: if it's only dillo, then why not install the latest version yourself, outside of apt [in /usr/local/] |
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| 17:12.38 | Brahmana | themill, Even if there were to be a .pc file where would it be? |
| 17:13.03 | stew | rahsputin: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:13.27 | themill | Brahmana: on etch, it's in libpng12-dev: usr/lib/pkgconfig/libpng.pc |
| 17:13.45 | Brahmana | ok.. |
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| 17:15.00 | Sepeto | Why webmin is not in debian packages? Policy problem or? |
| 17:15.17 | stew | Sepeto: becuase it was riddled with security problems and nobody was willing to maintain it |
| 17:15.18 | nicfer | any response on my all-chanels-the-same trouble? |
| 17:15.47 | stew | Sepeto: the previous maintainer was looking for over a year for someone to take it over, and nobody volunteered |
| 17:16.30 | cast | godriddens |
| 17:16.36 | cast | blinks at spelling |
| 17:16.36 | Sepeto | stew: Thanks.. So I won't install it.. |
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| 17:17.04 | Zmax | What is the hostname for packages to insert in /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 17:17.33 | stew | Zmax: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 17:17.34 | stew | (i think) |
| 17:18.15 | Zmax | thanks stew |
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| 17:19.24 | rahsputin | stew, the msg about dpkg ssb claims: 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. does this mean i must comment out all out deb-src's for this update and installation ? |
| 17:19.52 | rahsputin | all other deb-src's i mean |
| 17:20.04 | stew | rahsputin: no, you can leave other deb-src's, just don't add a deb line for sid |
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| 17:21.42 | micols | anyone with experience in tc rules , namely TBF queues? |
| 17:23.27 | DawnLight | long day gardening in rich people's gardens and i'm here |
| 17:24.09 | rahsputin | is it you Dad? :D |
| 17:26.07 | LemensTS | Is pdf2ps a package installed by default on Debian? |
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| 17:27.11 | stew | LemensTS: no |
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| 17:28.41 | LemensTS | stew: ok i tried apt-cache search and its not in thier, and i do not see a source of it in google. but i do see a pdfcrack in apt-get so i will try that... thats what i needed anyways |
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| 17:30.30 | simonrvn | argh! first it's "their", and second you used the wrong one, you want "there" |
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| 17:31.22 | LemensTS | simonrvn: i get so much shit for doing that all the time. Its a bad habit that i cant get rid of lol |
| 17:31.46 | stew | LemensTS: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 17:32.11 | simonrvn | think of it in context, then after a while you won' have to think about it at all |
| 17:32.14 | simonrvn | t |
| 17:32.35 | mrglinux | I install flash player according to http://www.dipconsultants.com/debian/ but when I refresh instead of flash is white what is wrong ? |
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| 17:33.02 | wols | mrglinux: installing from that repo |
| 17:33.08 | wols | mrglinux: unsupported |
| 17:33.11 | wols | !flash |
| 17:33.12 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 17:33.12 | LemensTS | simon: 90% of the time it is there but i just dont even think about the spelling or usage my mind just types thier lol |
| 17:33.30 | simonrvn | their usually refers to a person or thing, possessive; there usually points to location, or area; they're is "they are" |
| 17:33.42 | mrglinux | wols does it have for x86_64 ? |
| 17:33.53 | wols | mrglinux: does not exist. there is no 64bit flash |
| 17:33.59 | simonrvn | english is my second language ;) |
| 17:34.07 | wols | there is nspluginwrapper but not in etch, sid, maybe lenny only |
| 17:34.17 | mrglinux | wols hmm |
| 17:34.25 | LemensTS | i know what they are, i just type every there, they're, thier as their |
| 17:34.34 | mrglinux | its too bad |
| 17:34.45 | simonrvn | ok =). heheh |
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| 17:37.10 | Quibus | Hi, does someone know something about a CPUFreq driver for an Intel Q9450? |
| 17:37.27 | Spec | Heya...I've got a server with two built-in broadcom 5704 network cards, which use the tg3 driver. Whenever I insert the module into the kernel, the driver will say it finds eth0 and eth1...but "ifconfig -a" will either show eth0 and eth2 existing, or eth2 and eth3. Never does it actually show eth0 and eth1. I've even put entries for their mac addresses in an /etc/iftab file, and this is still a problem. Where should I start looking to resolve this iss |
| 17:37.27 | Spec | ue? |
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| 17:39.08 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 17:39.08 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 17:39.23 | Spec | thanks |
| 17:39.29 | cr3rzemjest | how can i clean / partiion? its only 250MB.... halp |
| 17:39.30 | Spec | how do i see 'forcedeth mac'? |
| 17:39.34 | simonrvn | start there |
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| 17:39.45 | simonrvn | /msg the bot |
| 17:39.49 | Spec | 'k, thanks sir |
| 17:39.56 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 17:40.00 | LemensTS | apt-file list pdf2ps (this just goes to bash prompt like it did nothing. Verbos shows info about my sources.list file |
| 17:40.01 | roler | after upgrading to the latest testing, i'm getting random php segmentation faults (php in the command line) but I have no idea why or what to do in order to fix this. Are there any logs i can examine? |
| 17:40.12 | Spec | oh, that's just for the forcedeth driver |
| 17:40.18 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 17:41.35 | stew | LemensTS: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 17:41.52 | niruto | http://ver-trailers.blogspot.com/ |
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| 17:42.15 | themill | LemensTS: there's no package called pdf2ps. You probably want search not list |
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| 17:44.39 | LemensTS | stew: yea i read that, but not good enough. I did not see the part apt-file update after i installed it....thank you |
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| 17:45.27 | TurboBee | When I try to load ip_queue I get this error message, http://pastebin.com/m2ab389e2 |
| 17:45.49 | Spec | simonrvn: thanks much, works great now :) |
| 17:46.00 | micols | how do i limit an interface eth1:1 to 50Mbit using TBF queue and using tc(1) to set it? |
| 17:46.10 | Quibus | No one using CPUFreq here on an Intel Core 2 Quad? |
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| 17:49.56 | ahmo | :) hey people, look at this funny picture www.microsoft.ba |
| 17:51.30 | cusco | what about it ? |
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| 17:51.54 | halflife08 | is there a way to gather filesystem stats such as how many files are there on a disk partition withouth running something like find |
| 17:51.54 | simonrvn | Spec: cool |
| 17:52.08 | simonrvn | ahmo: no thanks |
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| 17:57.33 | LemensTS | stew: sorry to ask more questions about this, cant find answer on google. the apt-file search bings up: gs-common: usr/bin/pdf2ps isnt this looking at the debian servers? im not sure how to install that, i tried a couple th ings with no success. Looked at the apt-file man page too. |
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| 17:58.38 | stew | LemensTS: you'd install it with "aptitude install gs-common" |
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| 17:59.56 | LemensTS | stew: yea i just read that finally on howtoforge.com and realized how right in my face that was |
| 18:00.05 | pro | hi, does anyone know what i should google for if I have to IP's on eth0/eth0:1 and i want to make smtp look like it comes from eth0:1 not eth0 |
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| 18:02.43 | stew | pro: i'd guess you'd do that using iptables and SNAT to rewrite the outgoing port 25 packets to appear to come from the eth0:1 ip address |
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| 18:03.08 | marenz_ | is there any simple way to get the mysqli library for php5 ? |
| 18:03.13 | marenz_ | *a |
| 18:03.37 | pro | stew, thats what i google'n foor, but im not sure its correct |
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| 18:04.10 | simonrvn | marenz_: yeh, installing it... |
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| 18:04.43 | stew | pro: why wouldn't it be correct? |
| 18:04.51 | marenz_ | simonrvn, well i don't see any fitting package |
| 18:05.11 | simonrvn | !tell marenz_ -about search |
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| 18:05.20 | stew | marenz_: aptitude install php5-mysql |
| 18:05.28 | marenz_ | no |
| 18:05.29 | marenz_ | not mysql |
| 18:05.31 | marenz_ | mysqli |
| 18:05.35 | stew | marenz_: apt-cache show mysql |
| 18:05.37 | stew | erxz_paste: |
| 18:05.39 | stew | err |
| 18:05.43 | stew | marenz_: apt-cache show php5-mysql |
| 18:05.54 | marenz_ | not mysql, mysqli ! |
| 18:05.59 | stew | marenz_: apt-cache show php5-mysql |
| 18:06.05 | pro | stew, i dont know, because it speaks about stuff on the forward chain, and im using the output chain? |
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| 18:06.17 | marenz_ | ok |
| 18:06.18 | marenz_ | ^^ |
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| 18:06.24 | marenz_ | ty |
| 18:06.24 | stew | pro: you'd be using the POSTROUTING chain |
| 18:06.35 | pro | ok |
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| 18:07.40 | roler | after upgrading to the latest testing, i'm getting random php segmentation faults (php in the command line) but I have no idea why or what to do in order to fix this. Are there any logs i can examine? |
| 18:07.50 | pro | stew, what i dont get is how i tell SNAT to use which address, or do i tell it to use the interface? |
| 18:08.25 | stew | pro: --to the.desired.ip.address:25 |
| 18:09.19 | pro | but I dont know the IP address, i dont relay via a different server i just send via MX |
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| 18:09.55 | pro | so i never know what the the.desired.ip.address witll be |
| 18:10.58 | n3kl | Anyone know how the debian on billix boots? |
| 18:11.05 | DawnLight | how do i change my default shell? |
| 18:11.12 | n3kl | DawnLight: usermod |
| 18:11.16 | stew | DawnLight: chsh |
| 18:11.30 | stew | pro: you don't know the ip address of eth0:1 ? |
| 18:11.35 | DawnLight | thanks |
| 18:11.48 | pro | yes |
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| 18:12.03 | stew | pro: "ifconfig eth0:1" shoudl tell you |
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| 18:12.26 | maligor | Gnome/Admin/Users and Groups also has a option to change shell :P |
| 18:12.28 | pro | so the -to is my own IP? |
| 18:12.31 | streuner | Any problems with new libc6 in unstable, yes, i know about BTS? |
| 18:12.52 | stew | pro: yes, the one you want to change the outgoing packets source ip to |
| 18:13.10 | td123 | did debian do the full-freeze yet? |
| 18:13.16 | stew | td123: yes |
| 18:13.19 | streuner | for lenny, yes |
| 18:13.27 | td123 | nic |
| 18:13.29 | td123 | nice |
| 18:13.31 | jeffwheeler | Is Lenny going to be 4.1 or 5.0? |
| 18:13.35 | stew | jeffwheeler: 5.0 |
| 18:13.37 | td123 | 5.0 i think |
| 18:13.38 | streuner | !lenny |
| 18:13.38 | dpkg | i heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. <testing>, or <lenny status> |
| 18:13.56 | pro | the packets come from 196.212.208.208:25 and i want them to come from 196.212.208.210 |
| 18:13.57 | jeffwheeler | I like this whole "release often" thing; it's very good. |
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| 18:15.15 | eximium | what's the name of future release after lenny? ;) |
| 18:15.17 | stew | not many people would agree that 'often' is a correct characterization |
| 18:15.22 | eximium | is it decided already? |
| 18:15.23 | stew | eximium: it hasn't been selected yet |
| 18:15.26 | eximium | oh, ok |
| 18:15.27 | jeffwheeler | stew: an improvement, no? |
| 18:15.37 | jeffwheeler | stew: how long was Etch in coming? |
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| 18:16.09 | smyows | helo o/ |
| 18:16.19 | smyows | i need a littlebit help |
| 18:16.24 | jeffwheeler | !ask |
| 18:16.24 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:16.46 | smyows | i need to keep one broken package and use normaly the apt |
| 18:16.57 | smyows | is possible to ignore this package on apt? |
| 18:17.01 | stew | jeffwheeler: etch took a little under 2 years, lenny may be about the same |
| 18:17.14 | n3kl | What does freezing lenny mean? |
| 18:17.15 | stew | smyows: why do you want a broken package? |
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| 18:17.25 | jeffwheeler | stew: hmm, it seems like etch was released just yesterday; nevermind |
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| 18:17.32 | stew | n3kl: the only package updates allowed into lenny must be allowed by hand by a release manager |
| 18:17.34 | smyows | because i rebuild wvdial to use on maemo ;) |
| 18:17.45 | smyows | wvdial needs debconf |
| 18:17.53 | n3kl | stew: ah |
| 18:17.58 | smyows | but is not necessary to maemo ;D |
| 18:18.10 | stew | smyows: debconf is necessary to run debian |
| 18:18.18 | td123 | so if a certain package isn't in testing now, it won't be included in the release? so clisp won't be included? |
| 18:18.19 | smyows | yes |
| 18:18.29 | smyows | but is not necessary to run maemo |
| 18:18.39 | stew | td123: correct |
| 18:18.45 | stew | smyows: why don't you want debconf installed? |
| 18:19.17 | smyows | becauise i'm not usin debian |
| 18:19.23 | smyows | i'm using maemo |
| 18:19.38 | stew | smyows: then you are off-topic in here, try a channel specific to maemo |
| 18:19.56 | stew | smyows: you should be asking in #maemo |
| 18:19.58 | jeffwheeler | smyows: is Maemo an OS built on Debian? |
| 18:20.00 | smyows | but apt is default of debian |
| 18:20.08 | smyows | yes |
| 18:20.18 | smyows | debian base |
| 18:20.25 | stew | smyows: it's off-topic here |
| 18:20.34 | smyows | now is possible? |
| 18:20.37 | smyows | okay |
| 18:20.46 | smyows | :/ |
| 18:21.01 | simonrvn | still OT; we only support debian here. you can probably imagine why. |
| 18:21.14 | simonrvn | er, provide support |
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| 18:22.24 | maligor | didn't know maemo was a os tho, isn't it Internet Tablet OS 2008? or some such |
| 18:22.33 | simonrvn | smyows: good luck |
| 18:23.00 | smyows | thanks |
| 18:24.08 | n3kl | maligor: yes |
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| 18:24.52 | smyows | but is possible or not to do |
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| 18:25.57 | stew | smyows: wrong channel |
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| 18:27.28 | smyows | ok thanks... you help me a lot ;D long life to debiaaaaaaaannn |
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| 18:29.43 | cr3rzemjest | is it possible to automatically resolve dependencies from .deb package? |
| 18:30.11 | angryuser | use aptitude |
| 18:30.35 | cr3rzemjest | couldn't find anything like this in manual.... |
| 18:30.42 | cr3rzemjest | like, dpkg -i packag.deb --download-all-stuff-u-need |
| 18:30.52 | angryuser | have no idea |
| 18:30.56 | cr3rzemjest | ;( |
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| 18:31.21 | stew | cr3rzemjest: aptitude -f install |
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| 18:31.37 | stew | cr3rzemjest: dpkg -i package.deb ; aptitude -f install |
| 18:31.57 | Squawk | hey chaps, anyone got a link to an up to date debian kernel compile howto. Coming from a gentoo background and I know its slightly different, but all the tuts I can find are a couple of years old |
| 18:32.16 | angryuser | i am setting a crontab under 'root' session crontab -e , but somehow some command in my script dont work , does cron use 'root' as used when set under root ? |
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| 18:32.27 | stew | Squawk: what version of debian are you running? |
| 18:32.36 | cr3rzemjest | stew, aptitude install what? i have only *deb package and its not in repo |
| 18:32.39 | karsten | kmail / kontact: can't read message body, I only see attachments. Kontact version 1.2.9, KMail 1.9.9 |
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| 18:32.47 | Squawk | stew, lenny, 2.6.25 kernel |
| 18:32.49 | stew | cr3rzemjest: just "aptitude -f install" |
| 18:32.55 | angryuser | as user* |
| 18:32.57 | karsten | No bugs posted to BTS, anyone else seeing this? |
| 18:33.03 | stew | Squawk: you need a kernel newer than 2.6.25? |
| 18:33.23 | stew | angryuser: you don't need a username column in a crontab for a user if that is what you are asking |
| 18:33.28 | Squawk | stew, no, recompile of the same kernel, with my own module choices |
| 18:33.40 | stew | Squawk: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 18:33.53 | stew | Squawk: but why not just use a kernel compiled for you by debian? |
| 18:34.31 | angryuser | stew well i have a script, under root if i execute it manually, it works, when i set to execute under crontab, some commands dont work, why is that ? |
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| 18:34.52 | roler | what is the latest version number and name of debian? |
| 18:34.53 | Squawk | stew, the simplest reason is that I want a couple of modules not already in the kernel, but in the long run i will strip out most of what I don't need |
| 18:35.01 | roler | etch right? |
| 18:35.02 | stew | angryuser: what commands? do they rely on environment variables that might nto be set when cron runs them? |
| 18:35.16 | stew | Squawk: what do you need that is not already in the kernel? |
| 18:35.33 | stew | roler: yes, etch, 4.0r4 is the current revision |
| 18:35.50 | Squawk | stew, madwifi driver as it happens, funky wifi chipset. |
| 18:36.12 | stew | Squawk: you don't have to recompile a kernel for that: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 18:36.45 | roler | stew; thanks ;) Can I ever change 'testing' to 'stable' in /etc/apt/sources.list ? I know that I may have some newer packages in there that may take a while to get updated but I am getting errors with php and I think it's due to running testing |
| 18:36.53 | cwheeler | how do I enable the sse registers on an Athlon with etch? |
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| 18:37.17 | greeg | hi |
| 18:37.27 | stew | roler: its recommended that you not use "testing" or "stable" but a specific release name like "etch" or "lenny". if you are running testing now, switch it to "lenny" and you will be running stable when lenny is released |
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| 18:37.58 | angryuser | stew they are related to Asterisk database update, the command itself dont rely on globals or whatever, it sends directly a command to asterisk, 'asterisk -rx "database put group value 1" ', i repeat , manually, no problem at all, crontab, this command dont work |
| 18:38.03 | Squawk | stew, my wifi is not working, I have downloaded/compiled/installed teh madwifi driver, my best guess is its something in the kernel/not in the kernel thats cuasing the problem. Plus there are hundreds of modules in the kernel that I have no need of, so they will get stripped out once I have the system working |
| 18:38.03 | cwheeler | good advice stew, i messed up an installation once by running testing when it became stable |
| 18:38.31 | Squawk | stew, for both, I need to know how to compile a kernel the debian way. i will figure it out, but figured there might be a guide somewhere that I could be linked to |
| 18:38.38 | roler | stew; thank you so much. you are always a huge help here |
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| 18:38.45 | stew | Squawk: did you see the guide i already pointed you to? |
| 18:38.51 | yaaar | Hey guys, is there someone well versed in networking that can take a quick look at my /etc/network/interfaces file for me? I have to drive across town with the server before I can test it, so I just want to make sure it's right... |
| 18:38.54 | yaaar | It's right here: http://pastebin.com/d479e1de6 |
| 18:39.17 | Squawk | stew, nope, missed that one, lemme read up |
| 18:39.32 | yaaar | The ISP is routing a /30 network that I'm to use on one of my nics as the outward route, and the inside nic is routing a /27 |
| 18:39.38 | cr3rzemjest | how to wait for input? not 'sleep' but? what? |
| 18:39.45 | cr3rzemjest | input, like enter |
| 18:39.55 | yaaar | my main question is whether I need a "gateway" line on the inside nic (eth1) and if so, what I'm supposed to use |
| 18:39.56 | Squawk | stew, k got it thanks |
| 18:40.08 | stew | Squawk: how did you install the madwifi driver? |
| 18:40.16 | cwheeler | you shouldn;'t have to do anyting cr3rzemjest |
| 18:40.36 | cwheeler | the kernel knows the process is blocked waiting for input |
| 18:40.47 | stew | yaaar: you shouldn't specify network or broadcast unless you are doing something very non-standard. you can get rid fo the 'allow-hotplug' lines |
| 18:40.58 | Squawk | stew, followed the guide on the madwifi site, module is now loaded however no wifi device found, hence figuring something in the kernel needs enabling |
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| 18:41.30 | stew | Squawk: i'd recommend following our guide to installing madwifi instead of the guide on the madwifi site |
| 18:41.51 | yaaar | stew: well, i'm routing between subnets, you still sure I don't need those lines? also, these servers will run indefinitely...if the switch goes out and i replace it w/out restarting networking, won't the allow-hotplug be needed? |
| 18:41.53 | angryuser | when i set crontab under root, do it executes the commands from user 'root' ? |
| 18:42.08 | cwheeler | angryuser: yes |
| 18:42.09 | Squawk | stew, will haev a looksee, you got link? Found lots of threads but nothing official |
| 18:42.16 | stew | yaaar: you don't need them if you are using the defaults, they will be calculated for you. you'd only need them if you were doing something nonstandard |
| 18:42.24 | stew | Squawk: /msg dpkg madwifi-install |
| 18:42.58 | yaaar | stew: are they hurting anything? i'd rather be safe than go over there and have something unexpected crop up |
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| 18:43.30 | yaaar | stew: but more importantly, do you know whether I need a gateway line at the bottom of eth1? i turned ipv4 forwarding on in /etc/sysctl.conf |
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| 18:44.50 | Lectus | Hello! I tried to install debian etch, but it doesn't recognize my harddisk. Is there any way to solve this? |
| 18:45.43 | simonrvn | !kmuto |
| 18:45.43 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 18:45.54 | simonrvn | Lectus: ^^^ |
| 18:46.30 | newsense | Lectus: adjust bios settings or jumpers ? |
| 18:46.40 | Lectus | yeah... I'm trying to install etchnhalf btw... |
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| 18:46.58 | Lectus | and Lenny installs fine, but I need etch (stable) |
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| 18:47.54 | stew | yaaar: no, you should not have a gateway line for the second interface, you can only have one default gateway, if you need more than one (becuase you have more than one path to the internet), you need to add another routing table |
| 18:48.18 | flower | how can you mount a cd with the option to execute binary files? |
| 18:48.21 | stew | yaaar: i haven't done the math to see if they are hurting anything. unless you are doing something non-standard they cannot possibly help |
| 18:48.23 | yaaar | stew: excellent, that's what I thought but i haven't done much with forwarding |
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| 18:48.33 | yaaar | stew: ok, i'll comment them out |
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| 18:49.12 | huhlig | question, is there an application bar that isnt tied to a particular window manager? |
| 18:49.12 | yaaar | stew: although the math was done by the subnetmask.com network calculators, so i expect it's ok. |
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| 18:49.26 | huhlig | something like the window maker dock or anything along those lines |
| 18:49.38 | yaaar | stew: other than this file and uncommenting the ipv4 forwarding line in /etc/sysctl.conf there isn't anything I need to do, right? |
| 18:49.49 | angryuser | hm, i am realy at dead end here ;( |
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| 18:50.23 | Lectus | hmm... doesn't the debian 4.0r4 CD1 install etchnhalf? Do I need netinst for etch'nhalf? |
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| 18:50.42 | Lectus | I think that's because it failed just like normal etch... hmmm |
| 18:50.52 | yaaar | angryuser: you're trying to get asterisk up? |
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| 18:52.27 | niruto | ola |
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| 18:53.20 | cwheeler | how do I enable cpu sse registers on an Athlon cpu running etch? |
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| 18:54.48 | stew | cwheeler: what makes you think they aren't enabled? |
| 18:54.56 | stew | Lectus: i don't believe that it does by default? |
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| 18:56.11 | null_ | Question: I got a weird kernel BUG error when trying to write to my new ext3 partition. http://pastebin.com/f4d1a884b |
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| 18:57.00 | cwheeler | stew: /proc/cpuinfo doesn't list them and software that wants them says they aren't there |
| 18:57.04 | EugenMayer | how to switch of, that the monitor darkens ( screensaver ) in the console |
| 18:57.35 | Lectus | stew: I tried the etch 4.0r4 and it fails to detect my harddisk. Lenny detects and installs fine. But I think to get the new kernel with etchnhalf I need the netinst CD, right? and later install gnome from etch 4.0r4 CD1. Because only the CD1 fails to detect the harddisk (I think it has old kernel). |
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| 19:00.35 | null_ | oh well, I'm guessing apt-get upgrading will rid me of that error |
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| 19:02.02 | yaaar | in the file /etc/networks i just noticed one of my servers has a 'localnet' line and the other doesn't. two questions: 1)do i need this line? 2)do i need to change it when i change the network the box is on? |
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| 19:02.47 | stew | Lectus: i'd expect there to be a boot option to boot he newer kernel. hit f1 at the boot prompt |
| 19:03.55 | Lectus | stew: hmm... yeah... I'll check that |
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| 19:08.46 | cwheeler | stew: do all Athlons support sse? |
| 19:09.32 | stew | cwheeler: ask #hardware |
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| 19:10.53 | lxsameer | hi , how can i found out that is my linux use a valid swap partition or not? |
| 19:11.27 | newsense | heh |
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| 19:12.45 | stew | lxsameer: cat /proc/swaps |
| 19:12.53 | _255_ | free |
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| 19:17.56 | lxsameer | what is firmware ? |
| 19:19.03 | \amethyst | lxsameer: software on a chip |
| 19:20.09 | bartosz__ | hi |
| 19:20.25 | Nyle | i think thats why its called 'firm' ware |
| 19:20.38 | \amethyst | lxsameer: often software that runs on a processor other than the CPU (for example, it might run on a printer, or on a network controller's processor) |
| 19:20.51 | wasabi | so how does the Debain/KVM picture look? I've not seen any GUI KVM managers yet. |
| 19:20.56 | \amethyst | lxsameer: but the BIOS can also be considered firmware |
| 19:20.59 | wasabi | Or init script setups for running stuff automatically. |
| 19:21.15 | Nyle | bios _is_ firmware |
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| 19:22.06 | piper69 | i have a wired problem, everytime i try to ssh to my how debian box using putty, it will let me in, ask me for my username and password, accept it. then the moment i type any command , it will process it and give me the result but will not take me back to shell prompt? what could cause that please? |
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| 19:23.57 | TP-Guest731 | Hallo??? |
| 19:24.16 | nareshov | hallo |
| 19:24.16 | piper69 | ^^ server version:SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.3p2 Debian-9 |
| 19:24.40 | TP-Guest731 | Können sie mir bei einem prob mit einem R32 helfen???? |
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| 19:25.18 | nareshov | spiel mit mir |
| 19:25.20 | \amethyst | R32? |
| 19:25.34 | TP-Guest731 | Think Pad R32 |
| 19:25.58 | Becker_11 | Hello can anyone explain to me please why most of the menu options in the Boinc program in Debian are missing |
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| 19:28.07 | avu | !de |
| 19:28.08 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 19:28.18 | Becker_11 | I run boinc under both debian and windoze. The coloums aren't sortable in debian and the preferences amongst other features are missing from the menus |
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| 19:29.19 | Phoul | !lame |
| 19:29.19 | dpkg | Lame Ain't an MP3 Encoder. Debian does not distribute LAME due to patent and infrastructure issues. Binary packages are available from <debian-multimedia> or <rarewares>. Upstream sources, with build instructions for Debian at http://www.mp3dev.org/ or http://lame.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:29.38 | Becker_11 | !boinc |
| 19:30.52 | willluongo | !truecrypt |
| 19:30.52 | dpkg | truecrypt is, like, a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
| 19:31.19 | willluongo | !EncFS |
| 19:31.24 | willluongo | !LUKS |
| 19:31.25 | dpkg | somebody said luks was cryptsetup with luks support: "http://einsteinmg.dyndns.org/debian/". LUKS is a secure way to store key's for a cryptopartition. See http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/469 and google 'LUKS Debian' for more info |
| 19:31.29 | Becker_11 | !boinc-manager |
| 19:32.25 | willluongo | Has anyone had any success getting truecrypt running on a debian system? |
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| 19:32.33 | up365 | Becker_11, there is a #boinc maybe with more info |
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| 19:35.41 | Phoul | Does anyone know where i can find liblame, i know it says in debian-multimedia but i really do not wish to add another source full of stuff that might break my system for 1 package |
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| 19:37.12 | willluongo | Phoul: http://www.debian-multimedia.org/pool/main/l/lame/lame_3.98-0.0_ia64.deb |
| 19:37.15 | crackintosh | !tomcat |
| 19:37.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, tomcat is a reference implementation of jsp 1.1 and servlets 2.2 - for more information visit http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/index.html, or if you still have problems to configure and run it, see http://www.ccl.net/cca/software/UNIX/apache/ |
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| 19:38.02 | crackintosh | that tomcat thing is a little outdated |
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| 19:38.47 | n3kl | Is it better to install lenny from scratch, or upgrade? |
| 19:39.09 | petemc | both should work |
| 19:39.22 | n3kl | The reason I ask, is that the upgrade to lenny seems to be flaky |
| 19:39.48 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: if there are problems with the upgrade, *please* file bugs. |
| 19:40.15 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: there should never be a problem with upgrading from a stable release to testing. Any time there is, those are bugs that need to be fixed. |
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| 19:42.11 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: I don't know what exactly the issues are. Seems to be no nearly as stable. |
| 19:42.36 | n3kl | I understand that its still testing, but it seems like it should be more stable than it is because its getting released soon |
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| 19:43.02 | n3kl | I had to uninstall several packages before I could even get aptitude to tell me that there were no more packages to dist-upgrade |
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| 19:43.25 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: bugs.debian.org |
| 19:43.29 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: ? |
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| 19:43.47 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: which packages? you'll have to be quite a bit less vague before filing bugs. |
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| 19:45.32 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: For one, powersaved and hal do not work anymore unless I restart hal after boot |
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| 19:46.06 | Gropi | Where can I find out what the latest apache2 update changed? Especially in the perl area. |
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| 19:46.35 | dondelelcaro | Gropi: read its changelog; see /usr/share/doc/apache2/ (or whatever package you want to know about) |
| 19:46.41 | crackintosh | can someone tell me if /etc/init.d/tomcat5.5.sh is in their etch file system? I am installing the apt package for tomcat but it is not installing that single file. |
| 19:46.41 | liable | Gropi: the changelog? |
| 19:46.44 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: another is that I had to remove kaffeine because it confliced with another package using libavcodec51 |
| 19:46.49 | crackintosh | im wondering if it is already in there |
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| 19:47.45 | dondelelcaro | n3kl: the first sounds like 480694; the second is almost certainly because you're using debian-multimedia. |
| 19:48.01 | dondelelcaro | !tell crackintosh -about confmiss |
| 19:48.21 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: oh, good point. |
| 19:48.40 | Gropi | dondelelcaro, liable: the lates entry in the changelog is from Sat, 22 Mar 2008 . apache2 got update in the last days/today for me. |
| 19:49.13 | dondelelcaro | Gropi: that all depends on what you installed. If you don't know what packages you installed, then you should check the aptitude or dpkg logs. |
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| 19:49.46 | munkyeetr | I know this is not #ubuntu, but it is based on debian, so opinions here are relevant to my question. In ubuntu, a user with physical access to the machine can boot directly into a root terminal with no authentication required. Security hole or feature? |
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| 19:50.34 | dondelelcaro | munkyeetr: anyone who has physical access to the machine owns the machine. |
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| 19:50.37 | willluongo | munkyeetr: Both |
| 19:50.45 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: thanks for the advice |
| 19:51.09 | piper69 | i have a wired problem, everytime i try to ssh to my how debian box using putty, it will let me in, ask me for my username and password, accept it. then the moment i type any command , it will process it and give me the result but will not take me back to shell prompt? what could cause that please? |
| 19:51.15 | Gropi | apache2 2.2.3-4+etch5 |
| 19:53.00 | doublehp | is parprouted limited to ipv4 routes ? ipv6 does not seem to go through ... |
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| 19:54.06 | willluongo | Has anyone had any success with Truecrypt on a debian system? |
| 19:54.52 | [hC] | how does debian load kernel modules at boot, by its means of auto-detecting hardware? (eg, tg3 loads, but is not in /etc/modules) |
| 19:55.08 | doublehp | [hC]: like most dirstributions: mardisks |
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| 19:55.50 | [hC] | doublehp: what are mardisks? I've never heard of it before... |
| 19:56.00 | [hC] | doublehp: and google apparently hasnt either. |
| 19:56.22 | dondelelcaro | Gropi: that change was made in March 2008; you're likely missing a security sources.list entry, and waited instead for r4. |
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| 19:56.48 | doublehp | [hC]: hardware discovery is performed by the kernel itself: the kernel probes the hardware: the new hotplug system (starting at PCI 1.0) will declare each device to the kernel; the lernel lists the VID/PID of each device ... and waits for a driver to claim to be compatible with this pair of numbers |
| 19:57.13 | doublehp | [hC]: if no driver "claim" the device, the device remains free; if a driver claims it, it takes it. |
| 19:57.14 | Gropi | dondelelcaro: good point, let me check |
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| 19:57.45 | [hC] | doublehp: OK, I ask because i have a debian-built 2.6.22 kernel that detects hardware (like my nic) at boot just fine. Then, i built a 2.6.18 kernel using make-kpkg and adding another kernel option to .config, but my network never came up. |
| 19:58.01 | doublehp | [hC]: the kernel also contains translation tables: the hotplug daemon asks the kernel the list of unclaimed hardware, and, has a lookup table to find which driver file may handle it. it's very complex mechanism |
| 19:58.21 | enouf | [hC]: initrd |
| 19:58.29 | doublehp | [hC]: if you want me to help, i need the VID/PID :) |
| 19:58.44 | n3kl | dondelelcaro: if I send an email to 123456@bugs.debian.org, will I get a response to my email address? |
| 19:58.49 | doublehp | [hC]: lspci -n or lsusb -n will give you the VID/PID pair |
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| 19:59.15 | Gropi | dondelelcaro: I changed all "etch" strings to "stable" now. Could that have been the reason? |
| 19:59.24 | enouf | -nn is better |
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| 19:59.31 | [hC] | doublehp: I can track it down, I just want to know where exactly the translation happens so i can dig it up. |
| 19:59.32 | [hC] | 01:00.0 0200: 14e4:165a |
| 19:59.32 | [hC] | 02:00.0 0200: 14e4:165a |
| 19:59.34 | doublehp | [hC]: many debian kernels are broken; i met several 2.6.16 a,d 2.6.18 ekrnels that have broken network. no clue why |
| 19:59.38 | [hC] | its just the tg3 driver for a broadcom nic. |
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| 20:00.02 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
| 20:00.05 | [hC] | enouf: i was thinking the initrd. I had make-kpkg build an initrd, the module just didnt load. |
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| 20:00.42 | sobersabre | any kiwis around in here ? |
| 20:00.43 | [hC] | doublehp: If i put the module in /etc/modules, it loads file, its just not auto-loading. I checked /etc/modprobe.d and there's no alias for it |
| 20:00.44 | enouf | [hC]: "...(eg, tg3 loads, but is not in /etc/modules)" <-- initrd |
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| 20:01.21 | doublehp | [hC]: lspci normaly wll give you the human name, and, at the left of the name, the PCI address; then use lspci -n to know the PDI at this addess ; then, you hold the hardware identifier. To find which driver handles a device, i usually do "grep -nri $PID /usr/src/linux/driver" ... because the hexa value is often in the source |
| 20:01.23 | [hC] | enouf: so how do i build an initrd that is capable of auto-loading tg3, like normal debian kernels do, when not in /etc/modules on my root partition |
| 20:01.41 | enouf | or .. if afeter the usb subsystem comes up, then udev is involved i |
| 20:01.44 | enouf | d say |
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| 20:02.00 | [hC] | doublehp: Its not that the driver doesnt -work- |
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| 20:02.17 | [hC] | doublehp: its simply that it doesnt auto load. I think enouf is onto the right track with an improper initrd |
| 20:02.40 | enouf | [hC]: 1st you'd want to make sure when it's loading, dmesg and bootlogd should tell us/you |
| 20:03.09 | sobersabre | any nz residents...need some advice. |
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| 20:03.41 | doublehp | [hC]: the hexa value may also be found in /lib/modules, but it's not systematical |
| 20:03.41 | doublehp | [hC]: you can run "modprobe" in a boot script: etc/module.autoload is done for that |
| 20:04.04 | doublehp | is parprouted limited to ipv4 routes ? ipv6 does not seem to go through ... |
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| 20:04.30 | greeg | xfce4 is removed via apt-get remove, yet it is still listed under dpkg -l |
| 20:04.39 | greeg | how can i "clean" dpkg -l |
| 20:04.48 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:05.04 | enouf | nobody mentioned it yet, or i missed it |
| 20:05.13 | [hC] | enouf: ok lets start over. I am not a noob. :) The driver loads fine, the network works just fine. After building a modified debian kernel using the debian sources, and make-kpkg, my nic driver does not automagically load itself, and must be listed in /etc/modules to load at boot. However, this was not previously the case, and im just trying to figure out why |
| 20:05.33 | stew | greeg: dpkg -l probably says "rc" in the first column meanning you r=request removal, and the current status is c=only configuration files remain |
| 20:05.41 | enouf | [hC]: is that nic a pci device? |
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| 20:06.29 | enouf | [hC]: yes, i'd say initrd |
| 20:06.35 | greeg | stew, yes it says rc. |
| 20:06.40 | Sepeto | greeg: purge packages to remove configuration also.. aptitude purge OR dpkg -P |
| 20:06.57 | stew | greeg: so this is correct output from dpkg -l |
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| 20:07.13 | enouf | [hC]: my initrd has my natsemi nic module - nothing wrong with loading it through /etc/modules though .. afaik |
| 20:07.15 | [hC] | enouf: so, when make-kpkg builds an initrd, presumably it does not include the necessary config to auto-probe everything like the stock debian initrd does? |
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| 20:07.30 | enouf | [hC]: the initrd gets made when installed |
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| 20:08.16 | greeg | dpkg --purge xfce4 |
| 20:08.16 | dpkg | wish i knew, greeg |
| 20:08.24 | greeg | thanx |
| 20:08.26 | enouf | [hC]: but make-kpkg needs the --initrd option passed to it at run time - otherwise you can mkinitramfs-kpkg one later maybe |
| 20:08.35 | levander | When people say they've encrypted a tarball, what software do they usually use to do the encrypting? |
| 20:08.35 | [hC] | enouf: i did --initrd |
| 20:08.58 | greeg | how can i tell if i have "excess" libraries", i mean libraries but no programs using them ? |
| 20:09.04 | enouf | [hC]: maybe your config was a bit off then? did you alter anything? |
| 20:09.25 | stew | greeg: you can use deborphan or debfoster, or switch to using aptitude to install/remove programs and they'd be automatically removed for you |
| 20:09.31 | enouf | [hC]: and did you dpkg -i theNEWkernel-image.deb ? |
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| 20:09.56 | greeg | ok |
| 20:09.58 | greeg | thanx folks |
| 20:10.23 | enouf | [hC]: there are also /etc/initramfs-tools/* scripts that might need to be reviewed |
| 20:11.12 | [hC] | enouf: no modifications, used the stock debian .config as a base when compiling, yes i installed the deb, heh. |
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| 20:12.28 | enouf | [hC]: "...building a modified debian kernel using the debian sources" <-- nothing was modified? |
| 20:12.48 | enouf | what's the point then? didn't you atleast do make oldconfig? |
| 20:13.14 | enouf | stock debian config, from where? |
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| 20:13.39 | enouf | it certainly doesn't come in the sources - there is one though in the -headers pkg, .. |
| 20:14.44 | th1 | evening all |
| 20:15.06 | [hC] | enouf: I took the .config from the stock debian 2.6.18 that i had been previously using. I ran make oldconfig, and then make menuconfig, and turned on an option that was not previously on in debian's original config, to deal with real time clock issues. I then re built the kernel using make-kpkg, then i installed the deb. |
| 20:15.09 | enouf | just look in the friggin thing and see if your module is there |
| 20:15.10 | greeg | ahh... it turns out apt-get is depreciated. |
| 20:15.15 | enouf | and answer my questions please |
| 20:15.24 | greeg | lol |
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| 20:15.56 | enouf | [hC]: sounds like the proper procedure - but see what i last said |
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| 20:16.50 | [hC] | enouf: i got it from the -headers package. |
| 20:16.57 | enouf | oh, did you apply the debian patches to your source? .. or .. which source version did you use |
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| 20:17.09 | th1 | stock 2.6.18 right? |
| 20:17.10 | doublehp | i have a parprouted bridge: ipv6 does not seem to go throught; what can i do to enable ipv6 to go throught ? |
| 20:17.17 | [hC] | enouf: here |
| 20:17.21 | [hC] | enouf: here's the thing.. |
| 20:17.41 | enouf | [hC]: from the -headers pkg does not agree with " ... I took the .config from the stock debian 2.6.18 that i had been previously using. ... " |
| 20:18.01 | [hC] | enouf: i dont remember exactly what source package i used, im sure i used the debian source package for 2.6.18, but i dont remember. that is not really the point. I'm just looking to understand -where- the match up happens between hardware detection and driver insertion, then i can fix it myself. |
| 20:18.04 | enouf | [hC]: and is your NIC a PCI device? |
| 20:18.58 | enouf | i told you how to check that much earlier (and again recently) - but then, we jumped right into it |
| 20:19.16 | yigal | can someone help me use irc with firehol, firewall? |
| 20:19.24 | enouf | !tell [hC] -about bootlogd |
| 20:19.44 | Candelagirl | hello |
| 20:19.54 | yigal | I'm using firehol 1.256-4 on Debian testing |
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| 20:20.05 | enouf | [hC]: cp your initrd somewhere; then cd into/there; zcat /boot/initrd.image-version | cpio -i |
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| 20:20.16 | enouf | er.. |
| 20:20.23 | [hC] | enouf: okay, so initrd + udev is where the magic happens then.. I will check that out. It's not the end of the world, i just wanted to understand why make-kpkg gave me different results when i expected to get the same thing as a debian-built kernel. |
| 20:20.29 | enouf | zcat ./initrd-image-version once cd'd |
| 20:20.35 | yigal | I have the following in my firehol.conf server "irc dns imap imaps ftp http icmp samba squid ssh" accept |
| 20:21.08 | enouf | sure, i did too at one time, that's why i stipped it all apart ;-) |
| 20:21.17 | enouf | erm .. whatever |
| 20:21.31 | yigal | and for the following time have "client all accept" |
| 20:21.50 | [hC] | enouf: I guess it doesnt help that there are 50 different guides online for how to build a debian kernel, and very few of them go to the source debs to do it |
| 20:22.02 | enouf | so, i guess i'll never know if it's a PCI device or not, unless i go wandering about pciids.sf.net .. ok |
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| 20:22.30 | th1 | [hC], I joined too late to see your original problem can you restate it? |
| 20:22.51 | [hC] | enouf: its an onboard pci broadcom gigabit nic on a dell. yes. |
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| 20:24.37 | yigal | ok no help |
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| 20:24.56 | th1 | yigayou dodn't ask a question go read the faq |
| 20:25.04 | th1 | s/dodn't/didn't/ |
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| 20:26.51 | enouf | [hC]: wonder why pccids only mentions a 14e4:165d as closest 14e4 165d Dell Latitude D600 |
| 20:27.35 | [hC] | enouf: not sure, its a pretty common chipset. driven by the tg3 driver. |
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| 20:30.02 | th1 | [hC], why did you need a custom module for your nic? |
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| 20:31.18 | [hC] | th1: i dont. the original question was: I just re-built a kernel using make-kpkg, and using the source debs for 2.6.18, preserving the original debian .config, and enabling another basic option that wasnt on by default.. Upon rebooting, the tg3 driver did not auto load like it had previously, and i was trying to determine where that logic sat, so i could figure out why it wasnt autoloading |
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| 20:32.52 | th1 | [hC], I see. Well if you didn't replace any other package you should have created a clone of the original kernel package, unless you for some reason had different kernel sources. |
| 20:33.32 | th1 | can you manually load the module with the new kernel? |
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| 20:34.30 | th1 | e.g. if you do "modprobe tg3" does it work then? |
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| 20:35.21 | dj_oko | yo |
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| 20:36.31 | enouf | heh, take a look at area "# The modules "most" classes added per default to the initramfs auto_add_modules()" in file:///usr/share/initramfs-tools/hook-functions i see mine and your tg3 there |
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| 20:36.59 | cr3rzemjest | what are the numbers in brackets "[]" during boot after upgrading kernel? |
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| 20:37.20 | th1 | enouf, wouldn't make-kpkg from original kernel sources generate the same images? |
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| 20:37.40 | linkslice | i've got a sarge box that needs to be updated would it be better to wait for lenny and go straight from sarge to lenny? or do I need to go to etch first? |
| 20:38.14 | pickcoder | would suggest Etch first |
| 20:38.20 | pickcoder | at lot changed... |
| 20:38.23 | pickcoder | -t |
| 20:38.34 | linkslice | the sarge system is also running mysql 4, obviously I need to back up before the upgrade but should I expect mysql to break and need to be reloaded |
| 20:38.37 | stew | linkslice: you can't skip a release, you have to go to etch before you go to lenny |
| 20:38.38 | linkslice | pickcoder, ok |
| 20:38.44 | enouf | th1: his issue is, it's seeming like the original debian linux-image-version loaded the module through the initrd, and his custom made one isn;t doing so, otherwise, everything works fine s/he says |
| 20:39.03 | stew | linkslice: we'd recommend that you move to etch now, and wait for lenny to be released, then move to lenny |
| 20:39.26 | th1 | enouf, but shouldn't the process s/he followed, with getting the deb sources and doing make-kpkg, generate the same images? |
| 20:39.41 | th1 | I mean that's what the builder would do |
| 20:40.24 | linkslice | stew, I had heard lenny was due out next month was that just a vicious rumor? |
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| 20:40.30 | enouf | th1: something obviously changed |
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| 20:41.04 | enouf | th1: could be one of many things - some sepculations above ;-) |
| 20:41.11 | themill | linkslice: /msg dpkg lenny status |
| 20:41.19 | greymalkin | Question about gnu screen: What is the purpose of 'ctrl-a -'? |
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| 20:41.36 | stew | linkslice: it was originally planned for september. its not likely to be released in september. since your install has security vulnerabilities not being addresssed, since sarge is no longer supported, we'd suggest you upgrade now |
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| 20:42.37 | maxamillion | Adun: lets not discuss ubuntu, i don't want to get kicked for being a dick head about ubuntu's utter failure as a tolerable system |
| 20:42.48 | stew | maxamillion: stop |
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| 20:43.00 | memolus | hy, I have a strange problem with "cron". is it the right place to ask for help? |
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| 20:43.20 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. |
| 20:43.21 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): Couldn't allocate video memory |
| 20:43.26 | maxamillion | wonders off |
| 20:43.26 | ma3x | Fatal server error: |
| 20:43.26 | ma3x | AddScreen/ScreenInit failed for driver 0 |
| 20:43.31 | ma3x | please help me launch X |
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| 20:43.35 | ma3x | it's displaying those errors |
| 20:43.37 | enouf | if you zcat and cpio your initrd ; you should find stuff like; /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules:SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVER=="?*", SYSFS{address}=="00:0c:44:9b:10:c5", NAME="eth0" |
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| 20:44.07 | dj_oko | ma3x: it's an intel graphics chip, yes? which one? |
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| 20:44.39 | Squawk | Guys, wpa_supplicant still the way to configure wireless for debian? |
| 20:44.40 | ma3x | dj_oko yess! gma965 |
| 20:44.44 | th1 | enouf, indeed :) still, it sounds like he did something non-standard not to get the same package as the original, or there is a bug in the builder |
| 20:45.31 | enouf | th1: well, the one's i've made seem to work fine |
| 20:45.49 | ma3x | dj_oko do you know how to fix it? |
| 20:45.54 | dj_oko | ma3x: could you paste somewhere(not here! use pastebin) your xorg.conf file? |
| 20:45.59 | enouf | th1: there's too many other options to track down before thinking bug, imho |
| 20:46.04 | th1 | enouf, I don't have that particular module but for me generally taking the latest stable kernel and building it with make-kpkg usually works without a glitch on my systems |
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| 20:47.00 | th1 | too bad he left, or I would have asked if he remembered to use --initrd on the make-kpkg command line |
| 20:47.42 | enouf | th1: he said he had .. but he also gave some minor other conflicting info about the .config and sources |
| 20:47.49 | th1 | ok |
| 20:47.53 | dj_oko | ma3x: you're using Stable? |
| 20:48.10 | stew | the intel driver isn't in stable |
| 20:48.17 | enouf | th1: plus other questions i asked went unanswered .. oh well ;-) |
| 20:48.23 | th1 | oh well ;) |
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| 20:49.00 | ma3x | dj_oko is there a pastebin supporting xorg.conf upload? |
| 20:49.05 | th1 | I hate it when people come and ask a question and get answers, and then they leave without saying if they got it fixed or not |
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| 20:49.24 | ma3x | dj_oko testing, but i use older kernel now |
| 20:49.45 | th1 | ma3x, pastebin.ca? |
| 20:49.56 | dj_oko | ma3x: go to pastebin.ca |
| 20:50.08 | dj_oko | and simply paste the content of /etx/X11/xorg.conf file |
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| 20:50.14 | dj_oko | it's a textfile |
| 20:50.18 | th1 | or use the upload option |
| 20:50.18 | dj_oko | you can cat it |
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| 20:51.57 | peppe | solid_liq: why are you doing ctcp versions to me? |
| 20:52.09 | ma3x | dj_oko please try if you can access the url: http://pastebin.ca/1087614 |
| 20:53.10 | dj_oko | ma3x: look at line 40 |
| 20:53.24 | minerale | I just did apt-get install mysql5; the install script has frozen at: invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. ... what do I do? kill it |
| 20:53.33 | stew | ma3x: have you tried running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" ? |
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| 20:53.39 | dj_oko | access this file and put a hash # before Load "dri" |
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| 20:54.07 | pickcoder | minerale: look at the logs and find out why it didn't start |
| 20:54.09 | ma3x | dj_oko Load "ddc" |
| 20:54.19 | dj_oko | no |
| 20:54.23 | ma3x | stew i didn't try. hold on, let me see if that solves the problem |
| 20:54.29 | dj_oko | 41 |
| 20:54.31 | dj_oko | sorry |
| 20:54.47 | dj_oko | must go for his glasses |
| 20:55.00 | minerale | pickcoder: do I kill it? --- frozen apt-get mysql5 http://tinyurl.com/6xzdd8; |
| 20:55.29 | ma3x | stew i tried now. same errors |
| 20:55.33 | pickcoder | minerale: you can, but you need to find out why it failed and rerun the configure for it |
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| 20:55.34 | dj_oko | ma3x: and then start X Server again |
| 20:55.46 | dj_oko | by pressing Ctrl+alt+Backspace |
| 20:55.57 | stew | ma3x: show us the xorg.conf now? |
| 20:56.17 | minerale | pickcoder: /var/log/mysql has only binary fies: mysql-bin.000001 -- no log files |
| 20:56.17 | dj_oko | stew: he already has |
| 20:56.23 | ma3x | stew i pasted the url, scroll up |
| 20:56.31 | pickcoder | minerale: what about messages or syslog |
| 20:56.35 | stew | dj_oko: i want to see it after running dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:56.46 | stew | ma3x: no, show me the one generated by dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:57.09 | stew | dj_oko: he should not, for example, have a Module section at all |
| 20:57.14 | th1 | dunno why mysql insists on putting binary files in /var/log .. it sort of sucks |
| 20:57.31 | th1 | I've seen it before |
| 20:57.40 | stew | th1: that option was turned off in more recent versions, you can easily disable the binary logging |
| 20:57.46 | th1 | stew, ah |
| 20:57.52 | dj_oko | you're right stew |
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| 20:58.24 | ma3x | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1087619 |
| 20:58.30 | th1 | but it was wrong in the first place to put binary files in /var/log though |
| 20:58.52 | dj_oko | Module seems to look like taken from some ATI card... |
| 20:58.54 | ma3x | dj_oko what about 41 line? |
| 20:59.09 | dj_oko | disable it |
| 20:59.16 | dj_oko | comment it by # |
| 20:59.21 | stew | th1: why is it wrong? |
| 20:59.29 | dj_oko | but you will possibly get another error |
| 20:59.44 | stew | ma3x: show us /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 20:59.52 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit failed. Disabling DRI. |
| 20:59.52 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): Couldn't allocate video memory |
| 21:00.05 | th1 | stew, conventionally /var/log is all human readable, we use it for troubleshooting right? |
| 21:00.08 | minerale | pickcoder: according to syslog mysql was installed sucessfuly, and is listening for connections, unsure why the apt-get froze; http://pastebin.com/m1ae08b65 |
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| 21:00.30 | stew | th1: where would you suggest those files go instead? they are log files? fhs says nothing about /var/log having to be human readable |
| 21:00.36 | simmerz | how would i copy an lvm partition to a file so i could mount the file as a loopback device elsewhere? |
| 21:00.56 | th1 | stew, fhs doesn't have it but convention does. I'd put it in /var/lib tbh |
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| 21:01.08 | dj_oko | ma3x: disable this line and restart xserver |
| 21:01.08 | th1 | if it has to be there, or at least if it's enabled by default |
| 21:01.15 | dj_oko | later tell us what happened |
| 21:01.18 | ma3x | dj_oko I did, same errors |
| 21:01.35 | simmerz | would I use dd? |
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| 21:01.48 | piranha | hi guys. Anybody can figure out what happened with make? http://dumpz.org/1782/ It's not single incident, but I can't understand what's going on. |
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| 21:02.10 | ma3x | stew pastebin.ca/1087624 |
| 21:02.12 | dj_oko | ma3x: disable all Module section |
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| 21:02.18 | pickcoder | minerale: mysqladmin couldn't connect from the init.d script |
| 21:02.18 | stew | th1: well the FHS, which debian must follow, disagrees with you |
| 21:02.28 | dj_oko | or create new xorg.conf by tool mentioned before |
| 21:02.40 | ma3x | dj_oko i did already |
| 21:02.44 | piranha | doing cd .. && ln -s libevent-1.4.6-stable/sample - helps |
| 21:02.46 | pickcoder | looks like something tried to run before mysql completely loaded |
| 21:02.47 | ma3x | and i pasted the Xorg.0.log with the new xorg.conf |
| 21:02.49 | dj_oko | hmmm |
| 21:02.51 | ma3x | no modules in there |
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| 21:02.59 | th1 | stew, yes, maybe it needs to be amended. wouldn't you agree that /var/log ought to be human readable? |
| 21:03.07 | ma3x | I was using kernel 2.6.25-2 before |
| 21:03.11 | ma3x | now I booted 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 21:03.17 | ma3x | and Xorg is not launching |
| 21:03.19 | ma3x | dunno why |
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| 21:03.42 | dj_oko | have it worked on this kernel before? |
| 21:03.45 | th1 | stew, in fact it should be /var/run same as the ?tmp files |
| 21:03.49 | stew | ma3x: what version of debian is this? |
| 21:03.50 | dj_oko | man |
| 21:03.54 | stew | th1: wrong |
| 21:04.02 | dj_oko | sometimes my English sukcs |
| 21:04.05 | ma3x | stew testing |
| 21:04.19 | ma3x | dj_oko yes it was working before |
| 21:04.41 | ma3x | I want to use this kernel because there are ipw3945 modules only for this one |
| 21:04.44 | stew | th1: /var/run gets cleared at boot time, which would be bad if you were relying on those logfiles |
| 21:04.45 | ma3x | that's the main reason i switched back |
| 21:04.48 | ma3x | iwl sucks |
| 21:04.50 | dj_oko | heh |
| 21:04.52 | ma3x | ipw's great |
| 21:05.03 | stew | ma3x: what is wrong with iwl? |
| 21:05.08 | th1 | stew, yes... |
| 21:05.09 | Candelagirl | hello |
| 21:05.15 | ma3x | stew low reception/signal and slow as hell |
| 21:05.21 | stew | Candelagirl: do you have a debian related question? |
| 21:05.30 | th1 | stew, I'm just saying that convention would have it that /var/log files are human readable |
| 21:05.34 | dj_oko | stew: i use iwl and there is one really evil thing in it |
| 21:05.37 | th1 | and it ought to be reflected in the standard |
| 21:05.51 | ma3x | ok guys now is there a fix to this xorg thing? |
| 21:06.16 | stew | ma3x: it works with a newer kernel? |
| 21:06.18 | dj_oko | it works with WEP,WPA,WPA2,Radius but it can;t connect to unprotected networks |
| 21:06.19 | amphi | dj_oko: what? I use it here without problem (4965) |
| 21:06.25 | stew | dj_oko: works fine here |
| 21:06.28 | ma3x | stew what? |
| 21:06.31 | amphi | dj_oko: it does here |
| 21:06.39 | stew | ma3x: does your x server work with the kernel in testing? |
| 21:06.44 | dj_oko | it sometimes does ;) |
| 21:06.50 | ma3x | stew with the new kerneel yes |
| 21:06.55 | dj_oko | but it seems to ignore DNSes |
| 21:06.55 | stew | ma3x: that is the fix then |
| 21:07.05 | ma3x | stew with 2.6.25-2 |
| 21:07.11 | ma3x | what's the fix? i want to use the old kernel |
| 21:07.17 | stew | ma3x: use vesa then |
| 21:07.17 | dj_oko | under misterious circumstances |
| 21:07.19 | ma3x | why is it not working with the old kernel? |
| 21:07.23 | th1 | anyone would sponsor the notion that /var/liog files should be human readable? |
| 21:07.25 | ma3x | vesa? let me try |
| 21:07.31 | th1 | s/liog/log |
| 21:07.39 | ma3x | wait, what's the latest stable kernel? |
| 21:07.39 | amphi | dj_oko: what do you mean, 'ignore DNSes'? |
| 21:07.56 | th1 | there ought to be a path for binary logs in the standard in fact |
| 21:08.01 | ma3x | amphi just fuck iwl3945 it sucks!!! even winxp has better reception than that shit! |
| 21:08.05 | pickcoder | th1: not if it means changing the FHS across all O/S that use it |
| 21:08.14 | dj_oko | amphi: it gets DNS IP address, but it can't connect via domain name |
| 21:08.26 | th1 | pickcoder, it just means clarifying a practice that is already in wide use |
| 21:08.31 | pickcoder | logs don't have to be text |
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| 21:08.38 | dj_oko | i have to write "194.204.159.1" to connect(succesfully) with tpnet.pl |
| 21:08.38 | th1 | pickcoder, and adding a path for people to post binary logs |
| 21:08.50 | amphi | ma3x: I don't know about it, I use iwl4965 here, and it seems to work fine |
| 21:08.58 | th1 | the problem with binary logs is that they are version dependent |
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| 21:09.09 | th1 | they should be disallowed from the common path |
| 21:09.10 | pickcoder | as long the mysql binary logs are under /var/log/mysql it doesn't interfere with the FHS |
| 21:09.19 | stew | ma3x: please keep it constructive |
| 21:09.19 | ma3x | stew vesa works fine! now are you saying 'intel' and 'i810' won't work with this kernel? |
| 21:09.21 | amphi | dj_oko: it's hard to see how the driver could be blamed for this |
| 21:09.21 | th1 | because it's not in the log which verson of the software created them |
| 21:09.40 | stew | dj_oko: you have to write that where? |
| 21:09.41 | ma3x | anyway what's the latest stable kernel? |
| 21:09.53 | th1 | ma3x, www.kernel.org ? |
| 21:10.00 | stew | ma3x: what do you mean by "latest stable"? |
| 21:10.04 | dj_oko | amphi: ipw doesn't cause such problems - but i agree - it's not sure which element is guilty |
| 21:10.18 | Candelagirl | soy española |
| 21:10.19 | dj_oko | stew: for example in ping |
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| 21:10.33 | amphi | !tell Candelagirl -about es |
| 21:10.36 | th1 | stew, would you not agree that binary logs whcih don't embed their format should not be in /var/log? |
| 21:10.41 | stew | th1: no |
| 21:10.44 | th1 | why? |
| 21:11.01 | stew | th1: i would think that /var/log is an appropriate place for logfiles. i don't see a benefit of making a second directory for logfiles |
| 21:11.09 | th1 | they are nothing more than random data unless you know the exact binary that created them |
| 21:11.14 | stew | yes |
| 21:11.19 | amphi | th1: because a fourth negation is too good to pass up? ;) |
| 21:11.33 | dj_oko | where would you place them instead of /var/log ? |
| 21:12.04 | th1 | stew, I think it would make for a more stable system to require that the /var/liog files are human readable |
| 21:12.07 | rwaite | i am using debian lenny on a sata hdd, i installed an additional ide drive |
| 21:12.21 | th1 | which is by convention what we have now mostly anyway |
| 21:12.22 | rwaite | how would i find that drive? i do not see any /dev/hd? entries |
| 21:12.27 | pickcoder | th1: not if the program writing the logs is analyzing them and not a person |
| 21:12.32 | ma3x | stew the latest kernel in etch? |
| 21:12.33 | stew | th1: in what way does having this logfiles in /var/log detract from stability? |
| 21:12.43 | th1 | pickcoder, what if the program isn't working |
| 21:12.46 | dj_oko | maybe iwl works fine *now*, but last week it didn't ;) |
| 21:12.50 | pickcoder | th1: that's why there's syslog |
| 21:12.53 | th1 | like segfaulting |
| 21:12.53 | stew | !info linux-source-2.6.18 etch |
| 21:12.55 | pickcoder | which has nothing to do with binary logs |
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| 21:13.02 | dj_oko | Debian is not my everyday OS |
| 21:13.11 | cloakable | It is mine :D |
| 21:13.15 | cloakable | Stable, heh |
| 21:13.15 | amphi | dj_oko: I'm using the version in .26 |
| 21:13.18 | th1 | dj_oko, congrats |
| 21:13.20 | dpkg | linux-source-2.6.18: (Linux kernel source for version 2.6.18 with Debian patches), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22 (etch), Packaged size: 40491 kB, Installed size: 40588 kB |
| 21:13.27 | rwaite | would an ide drive always show up as /dev/hda? |
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| 21:13.31 | stew | ma3x: ^^^ 2.6.18-6 version 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22 |
| 21:14.07 | cloakable | rwaite: /dev/hda is the master disk on the first ide controller |
| 21:14.11 | th1 | I'd really advocate for making /var/liog human readable in the standard |
| 21:14.12 | amphi | dj_oko: you could always build the most recent out-of-tree driver |
| 21:14.20 | dustybin | does firefox 3 free the mallocs? |
| 21:14.25 | rwaite | could it show up as /dev/sdb? |
| 21:14.33 | ma3x | stew so intel and i810 don't launch X |
| 21:14.35 | ma3x | too bad |
| 21:14.38 | th1 | of course nobody supporting me here would probably not make me want to pursue it |
| 21:14.54 | rwaite | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.55 | rwaite | sd 0:0:0:0: [sda] Attached SCSI disk |
| 21:14.55 | rwaite | sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Attached SCSI disk |
| 21:14.57 | stew | ma3x: there is no i810 driver in testing, and as you have said, intel works fine when you use a supported kernel |
| 21:14.58 | cloakable | rwaite: if its: SATA, USB, or SCSI, then yes |
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| 21:15.48 | rwaite | no, it is ide. but i pass the following to the kernel upon boot: ro all-generic-ide pci=nommconf |
| 21:15.49 | dustybin | am i right in thinking that open-source linux kernel RAID is better than some dodgy firmware on a hardware card |
| 21:15.49 | dj_oko | amphi: I've enabled WPA on router ;) |
| 21:15.59 | rwaite | could this change how things work? |
| 21:16.11 | roler | can anyone help me read an strace output of a php command line seg fault? The script is simply "echo 'hi';" |
| 21:16.48 | cloakable | rwaite: possibly. I'm not familiar with those kernel options. Are you using Etch, Lenny, or Sid? |
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| 21:16.54 | rwaite | lenny |
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| 21:17.06 | _xan | Hello, how do I change the timezone in debian? (I don't want my date value to change if possible, only the timezone has to change to CET) |
| 21:17.08 | th1 | nite all |
| 21:17.29 | pickcoder | !tzconfig |
| 21:17.29 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 21:17.55 | _xan | thx |
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| 21:23.51 | enouf | welp. http://www.lesswatts.org/ is alive once again ;-) |
| 21:24.17 | enouf | but |
| 21:24.26 | enouf | http://www.wiretapped.net/ seems to be dead now .. wtf? |
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| 21:25.22 | tview | in debian, scripts in rcS.d are executed before rc2.d? |
| 21:25.31 | marsje | I'm trying to setup a wlan etchnhalf with a RA-wlan usb stick. I'm confused what to put in my /etc/network/interfaces to give it a static ip address and use WPA encryption. Cam anyone give me a hint or pointer? |
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| 21:26.20 | wols | the static IP is the same way as for wired NICS man interfaces |
| 21:26.30 | wols | for WPA, install wpa supplicant and read its docs |
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| 21:27.46 | piranha | i'm trying to ask again. Anybody can figure out what happened with make? http://dumpz.org/1782/ It's not single incident, but I can't understand what's going on. |
| 21:28.22 | pickcoder | tview: yes |
| 21:28.52 | roler | can anyone help me read an strace output of a php command line seg fault? The script is simply "echo 'hi';" |
| 21:29.49 | stew | piranha: what does this have to do with make? the error, "/bin/sh: line 17: cd: sample: No such file or directory" seems to pretty self explanitory |
| 21:30.05 | stew | roler: strace is rarely helpful with a segfault |
| 21:30.25 | pickcoder | piranha: the dir exists |
| 21:30.32 | pickcoder | er... stew ^^ |
| 21:30.36 | piranha | stew: but dir exists! |
| 21:30.41 | piranha | stew: and it contains Makefile |
| 21:31.10 | marsje | wols: I have wpa_supplicant, but I don't know how to connect /etc/network/interfaces and wpa_supplicant... |
| 21:31.14 | stew | piranha: well this isn't a make error, its a /bin/sh error |
| 21:31.29 | stew | marsje: read /usr/share/doc/wpa_supplicant/README.Debian |
| 21:31.31 | marsje | wols: what wpa related things do I need in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 21:31.33 | piranha | stew: ghm... but what to do? :( |
| 21:31.34 | peppe | are you really doing "cd sample" into a makefile? is this good practice? |
| 21:31.53 | piranha | peppe: of course not! I'm just compiling libevent |
| 21:32.05 | piranha | peppe: and I have same trouble with compiling pidgin |
| 21:33.02 | marsje | stew: that is without the _ ;-) |
| 21:33.11 | stew | piranha: why are you compiling libevent? |
| 21:33.26 | roler | stew; ugh. I just don't know what to do. I wrote a script: for i in `seq -w 1 100`; do strace php test.php &> $i.debug; done;grep SIGSEGV *.debug; there are about 5 files each time I run it that segfault. I have no idea what to do :( |
| 21:33.37 | jelly-home | piranha: is your source on an unusual filesystem perhaps? |
| 21:33.46 | piranha | stew: because I need version 1.4.6, not 1.3.x |
| 21:33.49 | piranha | jelly-home: ext3 |
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| 21:34.37 | jhutchins_wk | Does anyone know of a _complete_ howto on setting up a diskless workstation to run PXE? I'm not looking for LTSP, just remote disk. |
| 21:34.46 | stew | roler: what version of php? what version of debian? |
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| 21:36.50 | roler | stew; php 5.2.6-2; debian testing updated a few days ago. That's why I was in here earlier asking about stable/etch because I think updating to the latest testing screwed this up |
| 21:37.04 | ryan__ | so, i have a sarge box... the process start times are about 10 minutes off, wtf? |
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| 21:38.16 | stew | roler: have you checked the bts? |
| 21:38.29 | cr3rzemjest | !ftw |
| 21:38.29 | dpkg | breaks into the front and goes FOR THE WIN |
| 21:38.56 | stew | ryan__: you should upgrade to etch, sarge is no longer supported |
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| 21:39.57 | pickcoder | ryan__: do you have "sarge" in your sources.list or "stable" |
| 21:39.58 | roler | stew; I did but Honestly... I don't know what to look for. I went to bugs.debian.org and searched for php5 and didn't find anything listing the same problem as me |
| 21:39.59 | ma3x | stew: still there? |
| 21:40.23 | ma3x | stew: what were you saying regarding 'intel' driver and xorg? why it won't run? |
| 21:40.47 | stew | ma3x: becuase your kernel is too old |
| 21:40.56 | roler | stew; I just did get somewhere though. I typed mv /etc/php/conf.d/curl.ini /tmp and ran my bash for loop many times. no segfaults! put it back, and about 5 to 10 fail out of 100 |
| 21:41.23 | roler | stew; no i'm getting somewhere! 442063: php5-curl: PHP5 CLI + curl = Segmentation fault |
| 21:41.56 | ma3x | stew: so how come it ran before? |
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| 21:43.20 | ma3x | where can i change the key repeat rate for all users on the system? |
| 21:43.21 | stew | ma3x: becuase you were using a newer kernel |
| 21:43.39 | ma3x | stew: so there's no way to run it on this kernel? |
| 21:43.49 | stew | ma3x: we are going in circles |
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| 21:44.50 | ma3x | stew: alright! I ran a new kernel, Xorg runs. now I boot back the old kernel Xorg doesn't run. wtf is that? |
| 21:45.04 | ma3x | xorg got updated to run only with new kernels? |
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| 21:45.16 | ma3x | well what's wrong with 2.6.18-6-686? it's still etch latest kernel |
| 21:45.22 | ma3x | it's not too old |
| 21:45.27 | tview | marsje: I would strongly recommend using wicd instead for networking. |
| 21:45.30 | stew | ma3x: its too old |
| 21:45.49 | themill | ma3x: too old for that hardware, perhaps? |
| 21:45.56 | stew | ma3x: the kernel in etch will work for the xorg driver in etch, and the kernel in lenny works with the xorg driver in lenny |
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| 21:46.33 | ma3x | stew: i have lenny. can't i install etch kernel? |
| 21:46.58 | themill | why would you want to? |
| 21:46.59 | stew | ma3x: you are already running an etch kernel, so yes |
| 21:47.15 | ma3x | stew: so i installed xorg from etch too |
| 21:47.16 | ma3x | it doesn't run i think |
| 21:47.36 | marsje | tview: what is wicd? |
| 21:47.44 | stew | ma3x: show me the /var/log/Xorg.0.log from when you are are trying to run xorg from etch |
| 21:47.58 | ma3x | marsje: wicd is network manager (wireless only i think) |
| 21:47.59 | ma3x | !wicd |
| 21:48.04 | Tapout | is there a way to see how a package was compiled? I installed the nginx.deb file, I want to see how it was compiled... I'm source compiling on etch, but i want to see what they did for 'sid'. I've got it installed on a dev box here at home |
| 21:48.08 | ma3x | stew: hold on! |
| 21:48.09 | tview | ma3x: not its not wireless only. |
| 21:48.11 | stew | themill: he thinks iwl sucks, he claims it is much to slow to use |
| 21:48.25 | themill | oh ffs... are we back there again |
| 21:48.25 | stew | themill: so he is using an etch kernel so he can use ipw |
| 21:48.34 | marsje | tview, ma3x: I'm using a headless server... |
| 21:48.36 | ma3x | it has bad signal/reception!!! it's true |
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| 21:48.50 | tview | marsje: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:49.00 | pickcoder | how does a networking program affect the signal/reception? |
| 21:49.00 | themill | ma3x: wouldn't it be better to work with the iwl developers to get the problem sorted out? |
| 21:49.07 | pickcoder | I can see it setting the power low |
| 21:49.11 | pickcoder | but apart from that... |
| 21:49.34 | ma3x | themill: listen im just a newbie, i can't write in and out months long just to get this solved |
| 21:49.42 | ma3x | ive been bothering with it since weeks now |
| 21:49.45 | ma3x | it's pissed me off |
| 21:50.02 | marsje | tview: it's needs GTP and I'm on a console only... |
| 21:50.02 | stew | ma3x: then run stable instaed of testing |
| 21:50.09 | amphi | ma3x: you don't say ;) |
| 21:50.09 | ma3x | pickcoder: iwl had bad drivers |
| 21:50.23 | ma3x | stew: but i already upgraded to testing. there's no back i guess |
| 21:50.24 | roler | stew; well, it does still segfault but much much less. so i'm guessing that's related but not quite the problem. that bug report was also a year old. ho hum... |
| 21:50.25 | ma3x | or? |
| 21:50.28 | stew | ma3x: reinstall |
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| 21:50.45 | amphi | ma3x: build an out of tree driver, perhaps |
| 21:50.54 | ma3x | brb |
| 21:51.04 | ma3x | stew: hold on i'll test xorg again with etch |
| 21:51.13 | themill | *sigh* |
| 21:51.39 | peppe | themill: ... wanna hug? :P |
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| 21:51.56 | themill | mrs themill might get jealous |
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| 21:52.05 | peppe | oh, sorry, then. |
| 21:52.26 | Nyle | what? |
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| 21:52.37 | Nyle | your wife has posessiveness issues? |
| 21:52.39 | Nyle | ;) |
| 21:53.06 | tview | marsje: you can still use x forwarding over ssh you know. But if you think its too much overhead fine - but I think its a great tool and far superiror to the default network manager. |
| 21:53.18 | Nyle | hugs themill tightly |
| 21:53.26 | Nyle | tries to rub his leg too ! ;) |
| 21:53.42 | Nyle | tview, freenx as wel |
| 21:53.45 | tview | What the hell? Has this turned into some sort of nutjob forum? |
| 21:53.48 | themill | eww! |
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| 21:54.35 | justjohn | I'm just throwing this one out there...I am configuring an ARM-based SBC running Debian. The manufacturer (Technologic Systems TS-7800) has configured several TTL serial devices. I can see that they are listed in /dev/ as /dev/tttsN where N is the serial port number. I am wondering how I could test to see if these are working. I have tried $echo 'test' > /dev/ttts0 and I get nothing with an oscope |
| 21:54.40 | ma3x | stew must i so to speak 'format' the partition to reinstall etch? or can i just remove like 250 packages and reinstall the 'etch ones' ? |
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| 21:55.01 | justjohn | Is there an additional step, such as mounting the device, that is needed? |
| 21:55.14 | justjohn | I apologize for being broad, will fill in details if needed |
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| 21:57.17 | stew | ma3x: you'd reinstall. there is no support for downgrading from testing to stable |
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| 21:57.57 | ma3x | stew: hm but it's possible? |
| 21:58.33 | pickcoder | justin: lsmod | grep tsuart |
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| 21:58.57 | stew | ma3x: sometimes |
| 21:59.07 | ma3x | stew: btw where do i change the key repeat rate (global)? |
| 21:59.21 | stew | ma3x: for x or for console? |
| 21:59.41 | pickcoder | justin: sorry.. |
| 21:59.42 | ma3x | stew: console more like it |
| 21:59.46 | pickcoder | justjohn: lsmod | grep tsuart |
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| 22:00.25 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
| 22:00.35 | ma3x | ok stew |
| 22:00.37 | ma3x | thanks pal |
| 22:00.45 | ma3x | see ya |
| 22:00.50 | pickcoder | justjohn: http://wiki.orbswarm.com/index.php?title=Processing_Platform |
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| 22:02.34 | piranha | stew: I have fixed make. 'unset CDPATH' helped. |
| 22:03.03 | justjohn | thanks pickcoder |
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| 22:03.33 | stew | piranha: what was CDPATH set to? where was it being set? |
| 22:04.04 | piranha | stew: in my config, just mine favorite locations |
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| 22:04.09 | coffee1 | DEBBY!!!!!!!!! |
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| 22:04.32 | piranha | stew: looks like it needs . as one of elements |
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| 22:14.46 | Nyle | tview, hm |
| 22:14.49 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:14.56 | Nyle | this is not a forum |
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| 22:15.02 | Nyle | its an irc chat channel thingy |
| 22:15.18 | Nyle | tview, you've tried freenx? |
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| 22:17.21 | cgibin | evening, |
| 22:17.28 | cgibin | Q: i m trying to use watch however i m having issues, watch /dev/pts/1 sh: /dev/pts/1: Permission denied |
| 22:18.12 | greeg | i connect to the internet via an ethernet connection, is it safe to remove/disable PPP ? |
| 22:18.24 | dj_oko | greeg: yes |
| 22:18.31 | greeg | thanx |
| 22:18.34 | ix | greeg: as long as you're not planning to use ADSL or PPTP VPN, yes. |
| 22:18.39 | dj_oko | Ethernet connection is not point-to-point |
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| 22:19.11 | grendal_prime | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 22:19.13 | grendal_prime | im going crazy.. |
| 22:19.30 | grendal_prime | snmpd...it it will not accept connections outside the box..and no there is no firewall on the box |
| 22:19.49 | grendal_prime | im following instructions on http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/snmp.htm |
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| 22:19.56 | sparn | cgibin - could you past the permissions on /dev/pts/1 |
| 22:21.54 | stew | cgibin: watch executes a program periodically, it doesn't watch a file. what exactly are you trying to do? what do you want to know about /dev/pts/1 ? |
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| 22:22.27 | cgibin | sure |
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| 22:23.29 | marsje | wlan is not working yet... if I do sudo ifup wlan0, then I get: ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported |
| 22:23.43 | lero_ | hi. flashplugin-nonfree is not in lenny? |
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| 22:24.26 | cgibin | ttypts/1: No such file or directory pts/1 |
| 22:25.04 | stew | cgibin: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:25.07 | abrotman | lero_: /msg dpkg flash |
| 22:25.15 | cgibin | i m trying to use watch however i m having issues |
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| 22:25.47 | cgibin | watch pts/1 sh: pts/1: No such file or directory |
| 22:25.55 | lero_ | abrotman: hmm |
| 22:26.01 | marsje | wlan is not working yet... if I do sudo ifup wlan0, then I get: ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported (sorry if anyone answered me already, but I got disconnected... my traffic got routed over a non-wroking interface I guess) |
| 22:26.02 | abrotman | indeed |
| 22:26.03 | cgibin | so i tryed the ttypts/1 didnt work |
| 22:26.04 | lero_ | lenny doesn't have flashplugin-nonfree? |
| 22:26.14 | lero_ | i use sid in my house, i thought it has |
| 22:26.15 | stew | cgibin: watch expects you to pass it a command to execute periodically. what is the comman that you want watch to execute? |
| 22:26.50 | cgibin | looking at the input on w it gives me pts/1 |
| 22:27.14 | cgibin | i used watch ttypts/1 didnt work i used watch pts/1 didnt work |
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| 22:27.43 | stew | cgibin: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:27.50 | cgibin | i m trying to watch |
| 22:28.03 | cgibin | its giving me errors, |
| 22:28.17 | cgibin | Usage: watch [-dhntv] [--differences[=cumulative]] [--help] [--interval=<n>] [--no-title] [--version] <command> |
| 22:28.23 | cgibin | i most use a switch |
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| 22:29.30 | stew | cgibin: watch is not used to watch a terminal, watch is used to periodically execute a command |
| 22:29.36 | cgibin | on my fbsd i just type watch then whatever tty is on linux cannot seem to get this to function |
| 22:30.05 | stew | cgibin: watch must be a completely different command on fbsd |
| 22:30.34 | cgibin | i see what you mean, how you watch on debian? |
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| 22:31.17 | ma3x | on what 'package' does /etc/debian_version depend? ie what tells it if the distro's etch or sid etc... |
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| 22:32.08 | Nyle | ma3x, use apt-file |
| 22:32.30 | Nyle | ma3x, I don't know but afaik it is bunbled with some base system package |
| 22:33.44 | Nyle | ma3x, its just a text file |
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| 22:34.13 | Nyle | ma3x, its prewritten before being bundles, it has no intelligent way of telling if you have lenny or unstable or whatever |
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| 22:35.06 | cgibin | stew: how i can watch for example, i found the tty pts/1 how does this work |
| 22:35.27 | stew | cgibin: i don't know. you can cat it, but i don't think that is what you want |
| 22:35.32 | Nyle | ma3x, /etc/debian_version belongs to pacakge 'base-files' |
| 22:35.47 | ma3x | Nyle okay mate |
| 22:36.06 | ma3x | i'll just reinstall the package :p |
| 22:36.12 | Nyle | ma3x, why? |
| 22:36.14 | ma3x | i'm bringing back etch |
| 22:36.14 | cgibin | stew, no i dont wan cat , on freebsd i use watch ttyp? i can see other person what they doing |
| 22:36.14 | abrotman | uh |
| 22:36.19 | abrotman | not likely |
| 22:36.21 | Nyle | uhm.. thats dumb. |
| 22:36.33 | Nyle | (in my opinion anyway) |
| 22:36.33 | cgibin | on debian i found the tty pts/1 now i need to find the way i can do the same |
| 22:36.36 | ma3x | what you don't think i'll do it? |
| 22:36.38 | ma3x | easy |
| 22:36.45 | abrotman | ma3x: how are you planning to "bring back etch" ? |
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| 22:36.58 | Nyle | abrotman, by replacing the /etc/debian_version file of coruse |
| 22:37.04 | Nyle | abrotman, didn't you know this? |
| 22:37.05 | Pavlz | hello |
| 22:37.06 | abrotman | i assume there's more |
| 22:37.08 | Nyle | whats the matter with you ;) |
| 22:37.13 | Nyle | Pavlz, hello again |
| 22:37.14 | statim | any familiar with bind know if there is a global setting to allow AXFR? |
| 22:37.15 | cgibin | do you know what i mean stew: |
| 22:37.19 | stew | cgibin: yes |
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| 22:37.24 | cgibin | nice |
| 22:37.28 | ma3x | Nyle be nice please |
| 22:37.33 | abrotman | ma3x: how are you planning to "bring back etch" ? |
| 22:37.35 | Nyle | ma3x, I'm just teasin buddy |
| 22:37.37 | Nyle | no bigie |
| 22:37.39 | spx2_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:37.45 | ma3x | abrotman by removing a lot of packages and reinstalling the 'etch ones' |
| 22:37.49 | ma3x | no that hard |
| 22:38.01 | stew | ma3x: this is not recommended, nor is it supported |
| 22:38.01 | Pavlz | i opened the new # called #p54 i hope that any of you desire to insert any bot to leave it always on |
| 22:38.06 | abrotman | ma3x: bad bad idea |
| 22:38.16 | flawer | hi. how do I make apt-cdrom to check an .iso file? |
| 22:38.34 | stew | Pavlz: please do not spam in here. keep it on-topic. |
| 22:38.36 | Nyle | flawer, I don't think you can, but perhaps you can loop mount it? |
| 22:38.49 | flawer | I can loop mount it |
| 22:38.52 | Nyle | flawer, I don't think so that it does iso files directly can it |
| 22:38.52 | Nyle | ? |
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| 22:39.21 | grendal_prime | !snmp |
| 22:39.21 | dpkg | i heard snmp is the Stupid Network Mangling Protocol. or really the Simple Network Management Protocol |
| 22:39.29 | flawer | can I mount a .iso as if it was a cdrom? |
| 22:39.34 | dj_oko | yes |
| 22:39.35 | Nyle | flawer, yes |
| 22:39.43 | grendal_prime | this is makeing me crazyyyyyy |
| 22:39.53 | snitko | I have two scripts, that arrange networking for VirtualBox guest system, so that I can access it via ssh, for example. The first script actually arranges everything, the second one shuts networking down. I put them in /etc/init.d and this works, but I suppose it's not exactly the best thing to do, since scripts don't start any daemons. What what be more ideologically correct? |
| 22:39.57 | Nyle | flawer, mount -t iso9660 -o loop file.iso /mount/point |
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| 22:40.10 | flawer | so apt-cdrom can perceive it |
| 22:40.33 | Nyle | flawer, I think you'll p robbly need to mount it to /media/cdrom mabye then apt-cdrom will take it |
| 22:40.40 | flawer | Nyle: how do I update the apt database with that? It's a lenny dvd iso |
| 22:40.41 | Nyle | I'm not really sure I've never used it |
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| 22:41.06 | flawer | k |
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| 22:41.14 | abrotman | flawer: you'd want to use http sources |
| 22:41.59 | ma3x | stew i now have etch kernel and xorg (etch version). why same errors? |
| 22:42.14 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): Failed to allocate framebuffer. Is your VideoRAM set too low? |
| 22:42.14 | ma3x | (EE) intel(0): Couldn't allocate video memory |
| 22:42.15 | marsje_ | do I understand corrrectly that I don't need wps_supplicant.conf and that I can put everything in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 22:42.21 | marsje_ | wpa |
| 22:42.26 | abrotman | ma3x: what you did is not supported |
| 22:42.30 | stew | ma3x: there is no intel driver in etch, so you must be using the lenny xorg |
| 22:42.33 | ma3x | marsje yes correct |
| 22:42.51 | marsje_ | ma3x: so sudo ifup wlan0 should do it? |
| 22:42.53 | flawer | abrotman: I must install my wifi driver first. |
| 22:43.02 | abrotman | which is ? |
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| 22:43.16 | akaaka | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:43.21 | ma3x | marsje yes if your /etc/network/interfaces is right configured |
| 22:43.41 | abrotman | flawer: which wifi driver? |
| 22:43.41 | jeffwheeler | akaaka: check out the Debian Live pages on the Debian Wiki; there's some great instruction there |
| 22:44.20 | marsje | ma3x: it seems I only need wps-psk and wpa-essid |
| 22:44.43 | ma3x | stew how come there is no intel driver in etch???? check xserver-xorg-video-intel on pdo |
| 22:45.04 | ma3x | marsje nope buddy many more things you need let me paste for you |
| 22:45.27 | abrotman | ma3x: work on your problem .. not his |
| 22:45.49 | stew | ma3x: the intel driver didn't exist when etch was released |
| 22:45.54 | ma3x | abrotman i do, but you see there is 'intel' driver in xorg and it won't launch |
| 22:45.54 | piper69 | i have a wired problem, everytime i try to ssh to my how debian box using putty, it will let me in, ask me for my username and password, accept it. then the moment i type any command , it will process it and give me the result but will not take me back to shell prompt? what could cause that please? |
| 22:45.55 | marsje | ma3x: and of course the usual stuff, same as for wired cards |
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| 22:46.25 | cgibin | stew, any ideas? |
| 22:46.29 | stew | cgibin: no |
| 22:46.35 | jeffwheeler | piper69: are you using Bash? |
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| 22:47.33 | ma3x | marsje: pastebin.ca/1087727 |
| 22:47.44 | piper69 | jeffwheeler: yes! |
| 22:47.46 | ma3x | stew but it was working! and now isn't |
| 22:47.57 | jeffwheeler | piper69: what happens if you change your shell to /bin/sh? |
| 22:48.05 | foug | hello, i plan on using debian for a web server, will the minimal install put X or any sort of GUI on the computer during the install? And also, if there are 2 hard drives present, will the install freak out or anything? |
| 22:48.19 | piper69 | jeffwheeler: i will try it |
| 22:48.39 | jeffwheeler | piper69: based on that, I'm not exactly sure what the answer will be, though :-/ |
| 22:48.39 | marsje | ma3x: ok, let me try to add this extra things |
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| 22:49.01 | piper69 | jeffwheeler: yeah , still the same thing |
| 22:50.02 | jeffwheeler | piper69: hmm, do you stay connected? I'm not sure the best way to test this, but starting an X11-forwarded process would be one way. |
| 22:50.07 | jeffwheeler | I'm sure somebody else has a better idea. |
| 22:50.14 | abrotman | foug: no |
| 22:50.24 | stew | ma3x: you need to use a newer kernel with that driver |
| 22:50.37 | foug | abrotman: awesome, thanks |
| 22:50.37 | ma3x | marsje attention: that configuration is using wpa2 encyption. read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant to check the other encryption types variables |
| 22:50.44 | abrotman | foug: or rather .. it shouldn't |
| 22:50.45 | abrotman | :) |
| 22:50.48 | foug | ;P |
| 22:50.50 | marsje | ma3x: I get this: http://pastebin.ca/1087731 |
| 22:50.52 | ma3x | stew good idea |
| 22:50.57 | rdz | hi all. i am copying all my rsnapshot backups with rsync to a new external usb drive. it's about 190GB of data. it is already running for 9hours. is that normal? |
| 22:51.23 | ma3x | stew like linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686? |
| 22:51.35 | jeffwheeler | rdz: it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me |
| 22:51.42 | jeffwheeler | rdz: just leave it overnight and then check |
| 22:51.44 | stew | ma3x: i don't know |
| 22:51.45 | ma3x | stew but the latest ipw is ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 22:51.56 | rdz | jeffwheeler, ok. thanks |
| 22:52.03 | ma3x | stew so ipw won't be available in linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 22:52.04 | ma3x | right? |
| 22:52.10 | piper69 | jeffwheeler: i am not using any X11 |
| 22:52.12 | stew | ma3x: right, use iwl3945 |
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| 22:52.22 | jeffwheeler | piper69: then that's not the best way to test that. :D |
| 22:52.24 | ma3x | i told you, it's not good |
| 22:52.36 | stew | ma3x: then don't use it |
| 22:52.41 | piper69 | just plain ssh , to do apt-get, write scripts etc |
| 22:52.42 | rdz | jeffwheeler, since it only copied 24GB yet, i think it is going to take whole weekend |
| 22:52.59 | stew | ma3x: we've already covered all of this. please stop just talking in circles hoping you'll get different answers. its a waste of poeples time |
| 22:53.05 | marsje | ma3x: my router is configured to use wpa2 with WPA-PSK encryption |
| 22:53.07 | jeffwheeler | rdz: oh, I expected more than that |
| 22:53.09 | jeffwheeler | :-/ |
| 22:53.40 | jeffwheeler | rdz: Apple says "all night" for their backup disks with decent hard-drives, and that's always seemed about right -- 9 or 10 hours |
| 22:53.42 | rdz | jeffwheeler, hehe..well. then |
| 22:53.44 | ma3x | marsje what's that? just use ifup wlan0 and tell me what it says |
| 22:53.57 | grendal_prime | so i can get snmp from the local box..it will not allow any other box to read it though |
| 22:53.59 | ma3x | alright alright stw |
| 22:54.01 | grendal_prime | any ideas guys? |
| 22:54.01 | marsje | ma3x: I added -v for extra trace info |
| 22:54.03 | rdz | jeffwheeler, yeah.. since it is an external drive, it probably takes a bit more |
| 22:54.28 | jeffwheeler | rdz: yeah . . . but if you can see progress, then I guess it's working |
| 22:54.35 | jeffwheeler | rdz: just . . . very slowly |
| 22:55.03 | marsje | ma3x: http://pastebin.ca/1087734 |
| 22:55.25 | rdz | jeffwheeler, however, from what i observed, when doing the incremental backups with rsnapshot, it only takes very little time. half an hour or so... |
| 22:55.41 | jeffwheeler | rdz: yeah, rsnapshot is neat; I used it for a while |
| 22:55.42 | rdz | jeffwheeler, probably it is so slow, because it is eating all the ram. |
| 22:55.50 | rdz | jeffwheeler, you don't anymore? |
| 22:56.12 | jeffwheeler | rdz: err, well, not since I took the machine for another use and haven't found another drive ;) |
| 22:56.28 | jeffwheeler | rdz: that machine's external disk now has ZFS, so I should just rsync to that :D |
| 22:56.35 | ma3x | marsje i can't read it, my system's fucked up. ask somebody else to help you. |
| 22:57.09 | marsje | ma3x: ok |
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| 22:57.18 | jeffwheeler | ma3x: you /really/ should have anticipated that :D |
| 22:57.31 | marsje | does anyone know why ifup wlan0 gives me: ioctl[SIOCSIWAUTH]: Operation not supported |
| 22:57.38 | marsje | see: http://pastebin.ca/1087734 |
| 22:57.49 | ma3x | marsje what driver do you use for your wireless? |
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| 22:58.46 | ma3x | marsje usually the driver or your card doesn't support it |
| 22:59.33 | marsje | ma3x: ra2500 I think.. not sure how I can see it |
| 22:59.52 | marsje | ma3x: Bus 006 Device 003: ID 148f:2573 Ralink Technology, Corp. |
| 22:59.56 | Lucas_N | Hi. I'm trying to install KDE 4.1 from the Testing repository, but I can't. It says there are many broken packages. Is it currently installable? |
| 23:00.11 | ma3x | marsje check dmesg |
| 23:00.15 | akaaka | dont use anything .rpm based... and if you can a void it dont use anything .deb based either |
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| 23:01.05 | akaaka | just.. dont use anything that that involves heavily patched source packages that just happen to emerge on your system ;-) |
| 23:01.21 | drivamgr2008 | evening all. I wonder if I could get some help. I am trying to do a net install of Debian, and need to know if i can write the boot iso to a usb key and make it bootable? If so, anyone know how? |
| 23:01.28 | akaaka | ups sorry, wrong room lol |
| 23:01.30 | stew | akaaka: what are you talking about? do you have a debian related question? |
| 23:01.33 | Lucas_N | I mean... from the Experimental repository. I'm on Debian Testing. |
| 23:01.40 | akaaka | sorry wrong room, |
| 23:01.41 | akaaka | lol |
| 23:01.43 | marsje | ma3x: not what I was looking for, but interesting: wpa_supplicant[2690]: segfault at 00000030 eip 080697ca esp bfec3f80 error 4 |
| 23:01.45 | stew | Lucas_N: experimental is not supported. expect it to be broken |
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| 23:02.25 | Lucas_N | stew: I was trying to compile KDE 4.1, but, on #KDE, a guy said that experimental's is pretty usable |
| 23:02.51 | stew | Lucas_N: ask the guy for help then |
| 23:02.58 | akaaka | i wonder if .deb systems are forked off a distro that has a community that is so bloody large that they can actually cover up some of the dependency madness? |
| 23:03.16 | Lucas_N | stew: I would, but it was many hours ago, he's not there anymore |
| 23:03.18 | themill | Lucas_N: or ask in #debian-kde |
| 23:03.29 | drivamgr2008 | Lucas_N: Kde 4.1 is very broken at the moment. |
| 23:03.31 | stew | akaaka: do you have a debian related question? |
| 23:03.35 | marsje | ma3x: I'm using rt2500usb |
| 23:03.40 | drivamgr2008 | There is an emergency FAQ out for it. |
| 23:03.45 | akaaka | thats debian related |
| 23:03.51 | stew | akaaka: its not |
| 23:03.53 | akaaka | i wanna know :-) |
| 23:04.04 | Lucas_N | drivamgr2008: OK, so I'd better try to compile from source for a bit longer... |
| 23:04.09 | drivamgr2008 | yup |
| 23:04.12 | stew | akaaka: this channel is for end-user support of debian. do you have a suppport related question? |
| 23:04.12 | drivamgr2008 | It would be wise |
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| 23:05.04 | drivamgr2008 | <<<KDE Dev (Games) |
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| 23:05.26 | akaaka | ok |
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| 23:05.49 | drivamgr2008 | We are at RC at the moment, Lucas_N - and its a case of we are getting a fair few bugs in the hole right now. You may be wise to compile rather than rely on packages at the moment. |
| 23:06.00 | akaaka | last time i tried to update php on a debian box i was told that the new package was conflicting with the kernel image package |
| 23:06.19 | stew | akaaka: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:06.22 | Knorrie | heh i dont guess so |
| 23:06.25 | abrotman | drivamgr2008: /msg dpkg usb install |
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| 23:06.32 | akaaka | i guess the lesson is: dont patc |
| 23:06.35 | Lucas_N | drivamgr2008: Thanks |
| 23:06.36 | akaaka | or what you think? |
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| 23:06.41 | drivamgr2008 | thanks abrotman |
| 23:06.42 | abrotman | drivamgr2008: some of them are different htings .. you may want to glance at others if they don't apply to you |
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| 23:06.57 | stew | akaaka: you've been silenced for 10 mintues |
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| 23:07.02 | drivamgr2008 | ok abrotman |
| 23:07.06 | drivamgr2008 | cheers |
| 23:07.11 | Zeroyez | ok, I really want to install a debian distro but all kernels that debian is installed with are too old for my motherboard to support |
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| 23:07.34 | Zeroyez | I dunno how to do this, should I create a partition and then use vbox vmdk to install debian or something? |
| 23:07.53 | stew | Zeroyez: the latest install images contain a 2.6.24 kernel as an alternative to the default 2.6.18 kernel: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 23:08.38 | Zeroyez | yeah, but that doesn't tell me how |
| 23:08.38 | stew | Zeroyez: you read the release notes? |
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| 23:08.38 | stew | Zeroyez: and the installation instructions? |
| 23:08.42 | Zeroyez | nope, can't find them |
| 23:08.45 | stew | Zeroyez: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 23:08.52 | Zeroyez | oh they changed the etchnhalf reply |
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| 23:09.55 | Zeroyez | i can't use a lenny installer |
| 23:10.02 | Zeroyez | the lenny kernel doesn't work with my mobo either |
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| 23:10.50 | Deepa | I'm in need of a PBX solution, would it be efficient to install vmware-server and run Askozia PBX in a VM? |
| 23:11.13 | abrotman | vmware isn't in debian .. and i don't think askozia is |
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| 23:13.01 | Zeroyez | would it be possible to put the same kernel ubuntu 8.04 uses into a debian install |
| 23:13.05 | Deepa | That's because askozia is sorta like m0n0wall |
| 23:13.07 | Zeroyez | that one works for me |
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| 23:13.26 | stew | Zeroyez: what kernel version is that? |
| 23:13.32 | abrotman | Deepa: then you should ask them .. not us |
| 23:13.33 | Zeroyez | i don't know i'll check |
| 23:14.05 | Deepa | abrotman, I think it's straying besides the point |
| 23:14.19 | Deepa | It comes bundled in a operating system of it's own. |
| 23:14.41 | Deepa | What I'm curious about is if VMWare-server would slow down my Debian hosted system noticeable or if it would be efficient |
| 23:14.45 | abrotman | so why are you asking us? we have no idea how vmware performas .. or even what the other thing is |
| 23:14.48 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
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| 23:15.26 | Deepa | That'd be like calling tech support and asking if their product is the best :/ |
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| 23:16.13 | Zeroyez | 2.6.24-2.4 kernel |
| 23:16.30 | abrotman | Deepa: perhaps, but it still has nothing to do with Debian |
| 23:16.31 | stew | Zeroyez: the etch and a half kernel is also 2.6.24, have you tried that kernel yet? |
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| 23:16.50 | Zeroyez | isn't the lenny kernel the same as the etch and a half kernel? |
| 23:16.50 | Deepa | 2.6.25 is in lenny |
| 23:17.08 | preds | any hints where I can find what my TCP socket buffer size is set to? |
| 23:17.13 | Zeroyez | well i can't get the lenny kernel to boot :( |
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| 23:17.36 | preds | Zeroyez: you're using the Lenny kernel on an etch system? |
| 23:17.43 | Zeroyez | no |
| 23:17.44 | Deepa | abrotman, quite the contrary. It's dependant on two things: Debian and VMWare's product. |
| 23:18.01 | Zeroyez | i've tried booting the lenny installer but i can't |
| 23:18.12 | Zeroyez | so i can't install etch and a half anyways |
| 23:18.20 | abrotman | Deepa: it's a vmware question .. we can't tell you how vmware performs on debian .. or you could just try it |
| 23:18.23 | stew | Zeroyez: why can't you install etch and a half? |
| 23:18.32 | Zeroyez | because I can't boot into the installer |
| 23:18.36 | stew | Zeroyez: what happens when you try to boot? do you get to the boot: prompt? |
| 23:18.50 | Zeroyez | I get "BIOS Bug: something" |
| 23:18.58 | stew | Zeroyez: do you get a boot: prompt? |
| 23:19.02 | Deepa | But it's equally dependant on Debian, as it's going to run on Debian |
| 23:19.03 | Zeroyez | yes |
| 23:19.10 | abrotman | Deepa: aptitude install vmware |
| 23:19.22 | Nyle | vmware is in debian? |
| 23:19.25 | abrotman | no .. |
| 23:19.29 | abrotman | see .. problem solved :) |
| 23:19.31 | Nyle | didn't think so |
| 23:19.42 | Deepa | I'm sure you'll find some weird TOS/EULA breaking third-party debs somewhere if you look hard enough |
| 23:20.00 | Zeroyez | i've been running etch in xvm virtualbox for the past couple of months and i've always wanted to use it without xvm :( |
| 23:20.47 | abrotman | Deepa: it works great, i've used it in multiple places... works on a 486 .. |
| 23:20.50 | abrotman | is that a better response? |
| 23:21.08 | Zeroyez | here's the problem that i can't get past |
| 23:21.16 | Zeroyez | irq-something: nobody cared |
| 23:21.17 | Deepa | Practically the same answer as #vmware gives |
| 23:21.27 | abrotman | good .. |
| 23:21.38 | abrotman | Deepa: you're only going to know if you try it .. |
| 23:21.48 | Deepa | I am, but I hate when I prove myself wrong |
| 23:21.48 | Zeroyez | then it suggests running the installer with irqpoll, which works |
| 23:22.07 | Zeroyez | but then when I boot into the system after install it's 100% screwed up and in a useless state |
| 23:24.50 | newsense | anyone got an opinion on logcheck or logwatch ? |
| 23:25.12 | ma3x | if i reinstall, will that wipe /home? |
| 23:25.25 | ma3x | or /etc or what? |
| 23:26.56 | Deepa | Does amd64 etch not have a glibc? |
| 23:27.01 | abrotman | ma3x: different partition ? |
| 23:27.13 | stew | Deepa: of course it does |
| 23:27.14 | ma3x | abrotman i wanna install on the same partition |
| 23:27.17 | ma3x | is that a bad idea too |
| 23:27.29 | abrotman | no .. is /home/ on a different partition than / ? |
| 23:27.33 | ma3x | no it isnt |
| 23:27.39 | abrotman | then it will be wiped |
| 23:27.41 | sparn | can a root and a user both user x11 at the same time? |
| 23:28.00 | newsense | dont use x as root ! |
| 23:28.10 | ma3x | abrotman if i install on a new partition, will i be able to move contents to old partition later easily? |
| 23:28.11 | newsense | yeah they can |
| 23:28.31 | abrotman | ma3x: i suppose |
| 23:28.33 | sparn | what would the users command be - startx doesn't do it |
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| 23:29.24 | ma3x | abrotman what can i use to resize current partition? |
| 23:29.49 | abrotman | google? |
| 23:29.59 | ma3x | uhm okay |
| 23:30.10 | newsense | debian installer |
| 23:30.11 | ma3x | damn fucked up pretty bad |
| 23:30.30 | ma3x | i'll install etch again and never change that damn thing again |
| 23:30.33 | ma3x | bye fellas |
| 23:30.42 | ma3x | laterz |
| 23:30.48 | Deepa | I only find glibc-doc and glibc-doc-reference on amd64 etch |
| 23:30.50 | abrotman | yayz |
| 23:30.59 | abrotman | Deepa: what are you looking for ? |
| 23:31.04 | stew | Deepa: the binary package is libc6 |
| 23:31.14 | stew | Deepa: what are you trying to do? |
| 23:31.21 | Deepa | Install glibc so I can install vmware-server |
| 23:31.32 | jelly-home | Deepa: you already have glibc. |
| 23:31.38 | Deepa | Are you sure? |
| 23:31.43 | jelly-home | positive. |
| 23:31.47 | stew | Deepa: it would be impossible to isntall debian linux without glibc |
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| 23:32.04 | stew | Deepa: glibc is the thing that provides all of the most basic unix system functions |
| 23:32.07 | sparn | stew do you know how a user can use the X11 server while root has started it with startx |
| 23:32.10 | Deepa | Ah |
| 23:32.12 | justjohn | How do I change the baud/parity/stop for a serial port, i.e., /dev/ttts0 |
| 23:32.15 | abrotman | he probably needs kernel headers and libc6-dev ? |
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| 23:32.39 | stew | sparn: yes, you can start a second x server with "startx -- :1" but you would be advised to not run X as root |
| 23:32.42 | Adun | whats wrong with ubuntu? |
| 23:32.43 | jelly-home | yeah, build-essential, m-a prep, etc |
| 23:32.46 | Adun | why do you hate ubuntu? |
| 23:32.47 | stew | Adun: ask #ubuntu |
| 23:32.51 | \3TATUK | Ahhh! Aardvark doesn't show up in the new Iceweasel updane (2.0.0.16)... :o !!! |
| 23:32.54 | stew | Adun: ubuntu is off-topic here |
| 23:33.03 | Adun | its based on debian |
| 23:33.10 | Adun | and debian users hates it |
| 23:33.15 | jelly-home | !based on debian |
| 23:33.15 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
| 23:33.15 | stew | Adun: please drop it |
| 23:33.21 | abrotman | Adun: Ubuntu is offtopic .. discuss it in #ubuntu |
| 23:33.24 | hudu | help an ignorant noob? ... I'm trying to figure out how to mount my camera card using a USB cable. Any suggestions on where I should start? |
| 23:33.33 | stew | hudu: /msg dpkg usb-storage |
| 23:33.45 | Adun | it has more people |
| 23:33.51 | jelly-home | Adun: don't be silly, it's pointless to hate software. |
| 23:33.52 | Adun | than debian |
| 23:33.54 | hudu | thx stew |
| 23:34.10 | Adun | just to know |
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| 23:34.32 | stew | Adun: i've silenced you for 10 minutes for remaining off-topic. in the future use #ubuntu to discuss ubuntu or perhaps ##linux |
| 23:34.42 | abrotman | misses the days when AOL wasn't compatible with linux :) |
| 23:35.23 | Orphis | Hello everyone, I've got problems resolving netbios names on my linux server running debian unstable, could anyone tell me what's wrong ? |
| 23:35.39 | abrotman | resolving how? |
| 23:35.47 | Orphis | Like "ping netbiosname" |
| 23:36.05 | jelly-home | Orphis: did it ever work before? |
| 23:36.08 | Orphis | I've added "wins" to the hosts line in /etc/nsswitch.conf but doesn't work |
| 23:36.14 | Orphis | Not on this server |
| 23:36.37 | jelly-home | Orphis: does your wins server respond to manual nmblookup queries? |
| 23:36.39 | Orphis | I've made it work on some other computer but I don't remember doing any black magic for that |
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| 23:37.16 | Orphis | nmblookup finds the address correctly |
| 23:37.28 | abrotman | enouf: remember earlier i was asking about ntop and netbios names ? |
| 23:37.30 | Orphis | And I've got no WINS server, that's a small network |
| 23:38.09 | jelly-home | Orphis: well then, does your master browser respond to manual nmblookup queries? |
| 23:38.54 | Orphis | "nmblookup somenetbiosname" works fine if that's what you'd like to know |
| 23:39.06 | jelly-home | basically yes |
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| 23:39.23 | enouf | abrotman: indeed |
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| 23:39.45 | enouf | oh do tell, nsswitch? avahi-daemon? |
| 23:39.52 | abrotman | enouf: apparently instead of actually doing netbios lookups .. it sniffs them to get the names |
| 23:40.04 | hudu | dpkg said, 'Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules' so I did '~# aptitude install usb-storage sd_mod' and it told me 'Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "usb-storage"' and 'Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "sd_mod"' |
| 23:40.04 | dpkg | hudu: You are moron #12 |
| 23:40.13 | enouf | abrotman: and sometimes sniffing was blocked? |
| 23:40.31 | abrotman | hudu: modprobe .. not aptitude install |
| 23:40.37 | hudu | admitedly I do fall into the 'moron' category |
| 23:40.40 | abrotman | enouf: well .. i guess if no one cares about names .. it won't happen |
| 23:40.47 | enouf | haha |
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| 23:41.11 | jelly-home | Orphis: can't help with resolver issues though, I've never set that up. |
| 23:41.21 | abrotman | note: funnyuns and milk .. not a great combo |
| 23:41.32 | enouf | Orphis: added wins? |
| 23:41.47 | enouf | i suck ass at networking and even i know that sucks ;-) |
| 23:41.51 | Orphis | One thing that puzzles me, is that there is no file "libnss_wins" in /usr/lib ... |
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| 23:42.11 | Orphis | enouf, yes, I've added wins to the hosts line in nsswitch.conf |
| 23:42.19 | enouf | Orphis: you got portmap loaded? sunrpc? |
| 23:42.19 | hudu | abrotman: so do I just do '~# modprobe usb-storage sd_mod' |
| 23:42.31 | abrotman | hudu: try it and see! |
| 23:42.40 | jelly-home | !find /lib/libnss_wins |
| 23:42.40 | enouf | hudu: modprobe -av for multiples |
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| 23:42.52 | Orphis | I don't know what these are, I guess I don't have that stuff then |
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| 23:42.55 | enouf | hudu: the -a == all, the -v == verbose ;-) |
| 23:43.10 | enouf | Orphis: netstat -tunap as root |
| 23:43.15 | hudu | enouf: thanks |
| 23:43.16 | enouf | or sudo |
| 23:43.29 | dpkg | Debian Search of '/lib/libnss_wins' (1): (/usr/lib/debug/lib/libnss_wins.so.2) in devel/samba-dbg. |
| 23:43.36 | enouf | ewww |
| 23:43.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:43.51 | jelly-home | that's somewhat weird, only -dbg |
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| 23:44.16 | Orphis | I'll install it and see if it works |
| 23:44.18 | enouf | not really - i guess one should never try to use WINS for this stuff ;-) |
| 23:44.25 | Adun | ok |
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| 23:44.42 | Adun | the problem is that after installing driver for a radeon |
| 23:44.52 | Adun | the gnome screen got black |
| 23:44.58 | enouf | so much for netstat |
| 23:45.01 | abrotman | Adun: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. show us what it says |
| 23:45.09 | Adun | had to uninstall the driver to made it work under debian 64 bits |
| 23:45.18 | enouf | screw the unix tools - wth do they know ;-)_ |
| 23:45.51 | jelly-home | Orphis: those are unstripped versions of libraries, something should bring in the normal one |
| 23:46.37 | Adun | cant do that |
| 23:46.41 | jelly-home | Orphis: try with apt-file or packages.debian.org |
| 23:46.54 | Adun | i aint on that computer |
| 23:47.09 | jelly-home | Orphis: winbind package, says my testing machine |
| 23:47.12 | abrotman | well, come back when you are |
| 23:47.15 | Adun | perhaps can u help me on this one |
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| 23:47.17 | cplx | hi guys.. i have a ubuntu box.. its internal ip is 10.2.10.10 - I want it to point to a gateway on another subnet.. ie- 10.5.10.254 whats the best way to do this? |
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| 23:47.37 | Adun | installing a nvidia 9 seriesxorg.conf |
| 23:47.37 | peppe | cpix: which is the mask of that ip? |
| 23:47.37 | stew | cplx: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 23:48.01 | Adun | xorg.conf got modified and then it didnt recognised the screen and got the poor screen resolution |
| 23:48.12 | Orphis | With winbind installed everything works fine now |
| 23:48.24 | Orphis | Problem solved |
| 23:48.27 | stew | Adun: show us your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 23:48.32 | jelly-home | !win Orphis |
| 23:48.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, Orphis! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
| 23:48.37 | Orphis | :) |
| 23:48.41 | peppe | \o/ |
| 23:48.50 | Adun | cant aint in front of that computer |
| 23:48.59 | abrotman | well, come back when you are |
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| 23:49.06 | peppe | "a winner is you" |
| 23:49.11 | Adun | but I think that running nvidia-settings |
| 23:49.49 | marsje | I can't seem to build the rt2x00 driver any more with etchnhalf: http://pastebin.ca/1087794 |
| 23:49.53 | Adun | would set xorg right |
| 23:50.12 | abrotman | Adun: so you want us to help you use nvidia drivers on your radeon card? |
| 23:50.21 | Orphis | Now, do you know any software package to auto mount every available samba share in some directory ? |
| 23:50.23 | Adun | I dont get why people cant ask help for ubuntu here since im asking help on that there too |
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| 23:52.19 | peppe | Adun: because ubuntu != debian, and ubuntu doesn't follow debian policies, so a thing that is "right" in debian may be harmful in ubuntu and v.v. |
| 23:52.23 | simonrvn | talk about a duh thing to do... |
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| 23:53.23 | hudu | I'm pretty sure I properly loaded the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules ... next dpkg says to ' Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table' ... so I did '~# cat /proc/partitions' {is that correct?} and it only shows data concerning hda, hda1, hda2 & hda5 but nothing for sda or sdb or sd-anything |
| 23:54.05 | peppe | hudu: look in dmesg (or paste it on a pastebin) |
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| 23:54.44 | hudu | paste the 'cat proc/partitions' in pastebin? ... okay |
| 23:55.55 | peppe | hudu: hm, no, the dmesg output :) |
| 23:56.14 | hudu | my 'cat /proc/partitions shows ( http://pastebin.com/d78b66af2 ) |
| 23:56.28 | hudu | okay ... I'll do the dmesg ... sorry |
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| 23:58.44 | hudu | peppe: my dmesg is at ( http://pastebin.com/d72c65fc5 ) ... wow that's a lot of data |