| 00:00.20 | hudu | If I could understand everything in my dmesg ... I'd be a whole lot less ignorant than I am :-) |
| 00:00.21 | abrotman | hudu: tail -f /var/log/dmesg .. and unplug/replug your device .. |
| 00:00.36 | peppe | hudu: hm, I think I lost some line in the backlog... what are you trying to mount? an USB drive? remove it and plug it back |
| 00:01.45 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 00:01.46 | hudu | pepe: yes, I am mounting a USB camera (camera card) ... I'll try what abrotman said |
| 00:01.55 | Gnurdux | how do you unbind a bound mouse? |
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| 00:02.08 | abrotman | unplug it ? |
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| 00:03.58 | peppe | hudu: wait --- if you connect directly the camera to the pc, there may be a problem |
| 00:04.06 | abrotman | why? |
| 00:04.12 | abrotman | dpkg?@!!??!@$#! |
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| 00:04.23 | peppe | dpkg crashed! pwnd! |
| 00:04.25 | dpkg | wish i knew, peppe |
| 00:04.25 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 00:04.27 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 00:04.57 | hudu | peppe: yes, I connect the camera to the pc (which happens to be a laptop) |
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| 00:05.12 | abrotman | most newer cameras are just mass storage |
| 00:05.22 | peppe | many cameras have both "usb storage" and "ptp / whaterever" support |
| 00:05.36 | peppe | you've to unplug it, go into some menu, and set them to appear as usb storage |
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| 00:06.29 | peppe | the *default* is always ptp for those cameras, so under windows the user must install the "XYZ Photo Tool" for managing photos |
| 00:06.35 | hudu | peppe: thanks - maybe I'll have better luck if I can find a card adaptor - to my pcmcia or my usb or some other input (and avoid using the camera) |
| 00:06.45 | peppe | hudu: no, it's really simple |
| 00:06.57 | peppe | unplug it, turn it on and go in some settings menu |
| 00:07.22 | peppe | look for a "USB Connection Type" voice or similar, and check that it's set to "usb mass storage" |
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| 00:07.36 | null_ | How do you recommend I downgrade from the currently installed madwifi built with m-a to the one in the sid repos... without breaking my network connection? |
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| 00:08.29 | simonrvn | as long as you don't pull out the module and bring down the interface you'll be ok. |
| 00:09.01 | hudu | peppe and abrotman: thanks so much for your input. My wife is summoning me to dinner. I'll try some more later ... again thanks so much for your forebareance |
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| 00:10.49 | Nyle | hello people |
| 00:11.15 | Nyle | I love iceweasel3 man its so much more betterer |
| 00:11.21 | null_ | peppe: what is this ptp menu you speak of? i gave in and bought a 99 cent sdhc adapter from ebay |
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| 00:12.22 | psheldr | why do we call it iceweasel and not firefox i dont see why that is necessary |
| 00:13.02 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 00:13.02 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 00:13.05 | psheldr | i mean couldnt we change the name when they start to sue instead of such a precationary measure |
| 00:13.06 | peppe | psheldr: /msg dpkg why iceweasel |
| 00:13.08 | peppe | d'oh |
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| 00:14.21 | stew | psheldr: it wasn't precautionary |
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| 00:15.03 | LemensTS | I see in apt-get cache search the kernel that comes up is 2.6.18....is this because its the latest that the debian devs have let release into the stable version of debian? |
| 00:15.26 | psheldr | yeah stable is 2.6.18 |
| 00:15.36 | stew | LemensTS: no, the latest in stable is 2.6.24: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 00:15.46 | flawer | hi. Why isnt 'buildning' working properly after installing debian with lenny-amd64-DVD-1? |
| 00:16.03 | stew | flawer: have you install build-essential? |
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| 00:16.08 | flawer | yes |
| 00:16.23 | stew | flawer: be more specific. show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 00:16.50 | LemensTS | stew: ok when i do 'apt-cache search kernel-image' it only brings up my current kernel version to install, 2.6.18 |
| 00:16.53 | flawer | make still pulls a lot of weird 'reasons' to not work |
| 00:17.20 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 00:17.28 | stew | LemensTS: the kernel packages are named linux-image not kernel-image |
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| 00:17.44 | flawer | well.. it's "make[1] nothing has to be done for modules" and "no configuration exists" and "the dir /lib/kernel123/build/ doesnt exist.. stopping" |
| 00:18.08 | flawer | Ill have to go with ndiswrapper now because my wifi driver cant be compiled |
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| 00:18.22 | simonrvn | !vaguenesssmite flawer |
| 00:18.22 | dpkg | smites flawer with ... some stuff. Y'know. |
| 00:18.25 | flawer | it's not a working system when fresh installed :( ? |
| 00:18.29 | abrotman | flawer: which card .. i asked you quite some time ago |
| 00:18.55 | flawer | zyxell g-320, it's a realtek 8185 chip |
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| 00:19.22 | peppe | null_: I wasn't talking about sd/mmc/* <-> usb adapters/readers. it's a *camera* setting |
| 00:19.30 | abrotman | usb or pci ? |
| 00:19.34 | flawer | neither ndiswrapper or two different drives could be built |
| 00:19.35 | flawer | pci |
| 00:19.45 | abrotman | flawer: lspci -nn .. give us the pciid |
| 00:20.35 | flawer | hm.. ill have to reboot into debian then, and im downloading a windows driver for it to load into ndiswrapper |
| 00:20.38 | flawer | :( |
| 00:20.51 | peppe | null_: virtually every camera with an usb connection has this setting, from the smallest compact to professional ones |
| 00:20.55 | abrotman | okay .. you can wait for that if you prefer |
| 00:21.09 | flawer | k |
| 00:21.13 | sparn | i have a /usr/gnu/bin in a users echo $PATH and there is no grep gnu /etc or in /home any one have an idea? |
| 00:21.18 | psheldr | camera = firewire |
| 00:21.37 | peppe | psheldr: I mean, digital slr |
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| 00:22.05 | peppe | even the not reflex ones, however, have this option |
| 00:22.21 | peppe | example: ftp://raOnAvV_:jvDwiCSW@ftp.nikon-euro.com/Manuals/rXjyGTcnC_/D200-En_04.pdf (dunno why nikon has this crap urls), page 121 |
| 00:22.56 | peppe | it's a D200, so absolutely not a low level camera, however you can choose between ptp and usb mass storage |
| 00:23.14 | simonrvn | username:password@hostname/path |
| 00:23.18 | psheldr | peppe, okay... but i just wanted to note that 1394 compliant _video_ cameras (e.g. webcams) work fine with stable... not photo cameras |
| 00:23.18 | abrotman | peppe: not all fo them have it |
| 00:23.29 | psheldr | but testing causes problems because of the new stack |
| 00:23.30 | abrotman | peppe: for instance .. mien does not .. and i've seen some DSLRs that don't |
| 00:23.56 | peppe | simonrvn: I was complaining about putting manuals on an ftp with password :) |
| 00:24.09 | simonrvn | *nods* |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | flawer: i don't have windows handy .. but you might be able to get the PCI id from the Device manager |
| 00:24.26 | micols | nobody plays typespeed (apt-get install typespeed) ?:) |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | only the network FPS version |
| 00:24.43 | peppe | abrotman: mh, what's yours if I can ask it? |
| 00:24.47 | micols | abrotman: its network fps |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | peppe: olympus c730 or something like that |
| 00:24.56 | micols | abrotman: or.. network type unix commands head to head |
| 00:25.01 | abrotman | peppe: it's older .. 4 years or so |
| 00:25.14 | micols | abrotman: i got a shell if you want to battle :) just log in and start it and play against me :) |
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| 00:25.20 | abrotman | uh no thanks |
| 00:26.42 | LemensTS | stew: yea i typed it wrong in here. It brought up a bunch of 2.6.18 kernels, hidden in that mess was the 2.6.24n1 kernel...that took about 4 minutes from time it started downloading to rebooting it, cool |
| 00:27.12 | micols | peppe: i dont like the ptp protocol, i'd rather have a normal mass storage device |
| 00:27.26 | flawer | abrotman: there are many.. PCI\VEN_10EC&DEV_8185&REV_20 for exmaple |
| 00:27.29 | micols | but my ixus 500 only supports it |
| 00:27.49 | abrotman | flawer: i'd need the actual pci id |
| 00:27.53 | peppe | psheldr: because it's standard. only with 2.6.26 the UVC driver for usb cameras was merged in |
| 00:27.59 | micols | also had a nikon, it also only supported only ptp, but at least it had RAW images support |
| 00:28.05 | abrotman | like 1260:3873 |
| 00:28.24 | peppe | micols: are you sure? every nikon I had to do with supported both ptp & mass storage |
| 00:28.45 | simonrvn | isn't that it? VEN_10EC&DEV_8185, trans. 10EC:8185 |
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| 00:29.07 | simonrvn | vendor: 10ec device: 8185 |
| 00:29.10 | wols | simonrvn: yes |
| 00:29.17 | wols | which means realtek 8185. ouch |
| 00:29.29 | abrotman | oh .. maybe |
| 00:29.48 | peppe | micols: btw, it's pretty easy to workaround... a cheap universal card reader :) |
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| 00:30.06 | simonrvn | crap. gotta restart gdm... pam update |
| 00:30.08 | abrotman | rtl8180 0x000010ec 0x00008185 0xffffffff 0xffffffff 0x00000000 0x00000000 0x0 |
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| 00:30.15 | micols | yes peppe , i think it was a D500 or such, something with 500 in it :) with a huge zoom lens. |
| 00:30.17 | abrotman | seems like it should be supported in lenny without extra work |
| 00:30.24 | micols | (zoom lens accessory) |
| 00:30.28 | abrotman | oh .. not in the installer kernel though |
| 00:30.39 | abrotman | flawer: ? |
| 00:30.52 | abrotman | flawer: ? |
| 00:30.57 | micols | old camera now a days, slow autofocus etc, but images vere good. 5Mpix |
| 00:31.03 | abrotman | duh .. stupid keyboard with things like .. up arrows :) |
| 00:31.11 | flawer | abrotman: hm.. I think it is what simonrvn says |
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| 00:31.29 | abrotman | flawer: right .. so you it would appear you don't need ndiswarpper |
| 00:31.31 | abrotman | wrapper |
| 00:31.44 | flawer | hmm.. it doesnt |
| 00:32.13 | abrotman | flawer: amd64 or 686 ? |
| 00:32.17 | flawer | amd64 |
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| 00:32.33 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/amd64/linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64/download |
| 00:32.40 | micols | anyone know how to make tc(1) TBF queues ? |
| 00:32.43 | abrotman | assuming you have all dependencies |
| 00:32.48 | abrotman | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/linux-image-2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| 00:32.50 | abrotman | listed there |
| 00:32.58 | micols | need to throttle my eth1:1 to 50Mbit while eth1 stays at 100Mbit |
| 00:33.02 | simonrvn | detaches again |
| 00:33.25 | flawer | hmm.... I have the 2.6.24-l kernel |
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| 00:34.30 | flawer | abrotman: thnx =) |
| 00:34.38 | flawer | does that update the kernel? |
| 00:34.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:34.46 | flawer | nice, thanks |
| 00:35.03 | simonrvn | ding |
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| 00:36.01 | PiousMinion | I've set up a chroot jail for sftp via rssh and I'm using 'mount -o bind' to make a dir available. Problem is it makes the dir chmod 775 for every user which I don't want. Any ideas on what I can do about this? |
| 00:37.01 | simonrvn | mount it differently? |
| 00:37.25 | PiousMinion | differently how is the question. |
| 00:37.36 | abrotman | yoda you speak like |
| 00:38.11 | PiousMinion | Umm, I don't know in which way to mount it to achieve the desired results. :P |
| 00:38.28 | PiousMinion | suggestions maybe? |
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| 00:38.43 | simonrvn | maybe |
| 00:39.03 | simonrvn | :P. i'd have to look it up, too tired to think right now |
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| 00:39.11 | PiousMinion | smashes his forehead into his keyboard. |
| 00:39.40 | PiousMinion | my forehead says "qwerty" now. :P |
| 00:39.47 | PiousMinion | ..but in reverse |
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| 00:40.16 | plb_ | I've got a question if I install something via backports and wish it to be upgraded later on automatically..by adding Package: * |
| 00:40.19 | plb_ | Pin: release a=etch-backports |
| 00:40.22 | plb_ | Pin-Priority: 200 |
| 00:40.29 | plb_ | to preferences it will only upgrade *that* package right |
| 00:40.44 | plb_ | as in the ones I already installed |
| 00:41.53 | simonrvn | PiousMinion: is it the dir perms, or user/group access you're after? |
| 00:42.32 | PiousMinion | simonrvn: either |
| 00:42.59 | PiousMinion | right now it's 775 for everything, but I'd much prefer 555/444 |
| 00:44.11 | simonrvn | set the umask |
| 00:44.28 | simonrvn | -o umask=XXXX |
| 00:44.29 | PiousMinion | umask=? |
| 00:44.42 | plb_ | nm |
| 00:45.01 | simonrvn | info chmod ;) |
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| 00:45.59 | mdg | hello |
| 00:46.14 | mdg | anyone here have tips for using aptitude? |
| 00:46.43 | micols | anyone know why this http://linux.rlogin.org/upload/bucket doesnt work? it doesnt throttle my eth1:1 |
| 00:47.09 | abrotman | mdg: read the documentation ? :) |
| 00:47.39 | mdg | new to linux - please point me where that might be. Thanks! |
| 00:47.45 | PiousMinion | simonrvn: setting umask made no change at all. |
| 00:48.08 | psheldr | or you could just start it and read what it says concerning ? help |
| 00:49.10 | mdg | did that - was looking for screen shots |
| 00:50.31 | mdg | I thought it had quit and could not get off the "white" screen (console terminal) and messed everything up |
| 00:50.57 | mdg | spat out "regex" errors |
| 00:51.02 | simonrvn | PiousMinion: ok, so you'll need to set the uid=CCCC,gid=CCCC or some other option like that, depending on the FS |
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| 00:51.31 | greeg | hi |
| 00:51.39 | mdg | howdy greeg |
| 00:51.41 | null___ | mdg: use apt instead of aptitude |
| 00:51.45 | greeg | do i run nvidia-xconfig before or after dpkg-reconfigre xserver-xorg |
| 00:52.29 | mdg | was trying to fix a sound problem with a G4 iMac and wanted to make sure all base files were good |
| 00:52.31 | simonrvn | neither |
| 00:52.40 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 00:52.41 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 00:53.31 | mdg | so this is not the place to come for advice? |
| 00:53.47 | CVirus | I apologize about this being off-topic .... Are there any native German speakers around .. I got a grammar question |
| 00:53.58 | Sling | ... |
| 00:54.00 | Sling | #german |
| 00:54.05 | Sling | or something |
| 00:54.11 | abrotman | !de |
| 00:54.11 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 00:54.21 | abrotman | oh .. for debian stuff :) |
| 00:54.23 | CVirus | thanks |
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| 00:54.43 | Sling | abrotman, you happen to know a bit about apache? |
| 00:54.58 | Sling | all my 3 apache channels are dead, and in #security they cant help either |
| 00:54.59 | abrotman | depends what it is |
| 00:55.08 | abrotman | is it Debian apache packages? |
| 00:55.14 | Sling | yup |
| 00:55.20 | mdg | from command line, how would I find the aptitude documentation please? |
| 00:55.29 | Sling | with 'man aptitude' |
| 00:55.54 | Sling | abrotman : because of (i think) a crashed php script, my apache stopped logging to access.log |
| 00:56.11 | Sling | config didnt change, permissions are ok, file is being created if moved and apache restarted |
| 00:56.19 | abrotman | ther eis also aptitude-doc-en |
| 00:56.21 | Sling | requests get normal responses, website works |
| 00:56.25 | mdg | there's no documentation installed with the program? |
| 00:56.26 | Sling | but no logging to access.log |
| 00:56.41 | abrotman | mdg: that's what `man aptitude` is |
| 00:57.07 | abrotman | Sling: for all sites ? |
| 00:57.13 | Sling | i only have 1 site |
| 00:57.17 | abrotman | Sling: tried changing the file name ? |
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| 00:57.24 | mdg | new to linux - at the command line I would type 'man aptitude" ? |
| 00:57.27 | Sling | lemme see |
| 00:57.36 | abrotman | Sling: tried to shut down apache and do an lsof or fuser to see if something is still holding it ? |
| 00:58.01 | Sling | yea |
| 00:58.10 | Sling | prelude-lml was, as expected, killed that just to be sure |
| 00:58.13 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/apache2 stop .. lsof | grep access |
| 00:58.35 | Sling | new filename gets created, but not filled |
| 00:58.45 | abrotman | error.log ? |
| 00:58.49 | Sling | works like a charm |
| 00:58.57 | abrotman | change the custom log format ? |
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| 01:01.19 | Sling | nop nothing |
| 01:01.29 | Sling | im really considering apt-get remove/purge/install |
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| 01:02.17 | abrotman | and you did try changing the output file ? |
| 01:02.41 | tvynr | I'm trying to debootstrap a 32-bit Etch within my 64-bit Lenny and I'm getting an error when it starts "installing core packages": "dpkg: /TARGET_DIR/lib/tls/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by /usr/lib32/libfakeroot/libfakeroot-sysv.so)". Anyone have any ideas? |
| 01:03.07 | Sling | yea i can put data in it manually, so the file itself is ok |
| 01:03.24 | abrotman | no .. i mean in the apache config .. if you change the filename .. does it get logged? |
| 01:03.49 | Sling | yea i changed it to access2.log |
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| 01:04.00 | Sling | and if i start apache again, the access2.log appears |
| 01:04.02 | Sling | or what do you mean |
| 01:04.39 | abrotman | that's what i meant |
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| 01:05.49 | abrotman | if apache is running .. can you see which processes are using the file ? |
| 01:06.29 | Sling | hey something just got logged |
| 01:06.32 | Sling | wth |
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| 01:06.40 | Sling | 00000030 30 30 5d 20 22 47 45 54 20 2f 66 69 6c 65 73 2f |00] "GET /files/| |
| 01:06.40 | Sling | 00000040 63 72 61 63 6b 74 75 74 2f 73 6e 64 2d 72 65 76 |cracktut/snd-rev| |
| 01:06.41 | abrotman | i didn't do it! |
| 01:06.44 | Sling | heh |
| 01:06.46 | Sling | one sec |
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| 01:07.39 | Sling | and suddenly it works again :s |
| 01:07.48 | Sling | inconsistent shit |
| 01:07.57 | Sling | lets see if it can use the old file and format again |
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| 01:08.59 | yaaar | howdy |
| 01:09.44 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:10.22 | Sling | ok, back to ampache help, because that still isnt working :) |
| 01:10.29 | Sling | thnx, i guess ;) |
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| 01:10.35 | abrotman | Sling: wait .. |
| 01:10.39 | yaaar | so, i've got two etch servers, setup nearly identically. i moved them from the house (where they both worked fine) to the datacenter today, and one of them won't 'apt-get update' anymore...the other works fine. anyone know what's wrong there? |
| 01:10.44 | abrotman | so the original file name is busted .. but a new one works ? |
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| 01:10.54 | Sling | im gonna try to hook the old file up again |
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| 01:11.00 | abrotman | yaaar: not without errors |
| 01:11.31 | abrotman | yaaar: and your sources.list might help too |
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| 01:11.36 | Sling | titanium:/var/log/apache2# rm access.log |
| 01:11.36 | Sling | titanium:/var/log/apache2# 31 Jul 03:02:55 (process:5415) INFO: log file /var/log/apache2/access.log has been deleted. |
| 01:11.44 | Sling | gotta love intrusion detection |
| 01:11.47 | yaaar | Err http://mirrors.kernel.org etch Release.gpg |
| 01:11.48 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:11.49 | yaaar | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:11.49 | alphaman | anyone know how to install gshop |
| 01:11.51 | Sling | sorry, i get distracted quickly |
| 01:11.54 | diogo | hey... I've been trying out lots of distros to find best performance on my video card and Ubuntu till now has the best performance... is debian lenny + catalyst 8.7 a good mix? |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | yaaar: try another mirror |
| 01:12.12 | abrotman | diogo: you'd have to try it .. /msg dpkg fglrx one-liner |
| 01:12.25 | yaaar | abrotman: well, after it fails on that one, it goes on to the next (security.debian.org) and fails there too |
| 01:12.37 | abrotman | yaaar: dns servers failing ? |
| 01:12.51 | newsense | Sling: hopefully no important data loss |
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| 01:13.01 | diogo | thx |
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| 01:13.17 | Sling | newsense : file wasnt functioning anyway :) |
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| 01:13.28 | Sling | and old file backup'ed |
| 01:13.29 | newsense | good to hear! |
| 01:13.53 | yaaar | abrotman, well, i can ping mirrors.kernel.org just fine...~50ms |
| 01:13.55 | newsense | hates hackers |
| 01:14.04 | genbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.12 | abrotman | yaaar: apt proxy setup ? |
| 01:14.22 | abrotman | genbie: it's a big freaking hint |
| 01:14.31 | yaaar | abrotman: no proxy |
| 01:14.43 | genbie | abrotman this is my first day on debian |
| 01:15.02 | yaaar | abrotman: the only major difference between the server that works and the one that doesn't is that the nonworking one is also routing the subnet for the whole network |
| 01:15.09 | abrotman | genbie: then you shouldn't be using sid |
| 01:15.22 | yaaar | abrotman: so it has two nics, one internal as the gateway to the net, and the other on a /30 network that routes out |
| 01:15.31 | abrotman | yaaar: bad route table ? |
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| 01:15.41 | genbie | abrotman i know, but the problem is that my ethernet wa snot deteced by stable! |
| 01:15.42 | yaaar | abrotman: well...i can ping |
| 01:15.42 | Sling | newsense : i consider myself a hacker, why would you hate me? |
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| 01:15.50 | Sling | or you mean the criminal ones |
| 01:15.55 | abrotman | genbie: so try lenny .. stay away from sid |
| 01:16.14 | yaaar | abrotman: hmm....interesting....can't do 'lynx http://www.google.com' either... |
| 01:16.23 | abrotman | bad route table? :) |
| 01:16.25 | genbie | abrotman well i have lenny in th erepositories anyway.. am i running lenny or sid?! |
| 01:16.54 | abrotman | genbie: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what is the version number? |
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| 01:17.29 | genbie | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:17.37 | genbie | abrotman |
| 01:17.40 | abrotman | sounds like lenny |
| 01:17.50 | yaaar | 6.77.142.128 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:17.52 | yaaar | localnet * 255.255.255.224 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 01:17.53 | yaaar | default 76.77.142.129 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 01:18.10 | null_ | grr this sucks I have to roll back to 18.6 because mawdifi is broken :( |
| 01:18.49 | genbie | abrotman, hmmm maybe the installer that i used (unetbootin) is confused... i used netinstall and it downoaded all files automatically |
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| 01:19.11 | abrotman | genbie: okay |
| 01:19.24 | genbie | abrotman, is there another test command that you can give me plz just to to make sure? |
| 01:19.41 | genbie | i have tried distrowatch btw |
| 01:19.56 | genbie | to compare versions of different s/w in lenny an dsid |
| 01:20.27 | genbie | but most s/w is is identical on distrowatch! |
| 01:20.59 | abrotman | genbie: dpkg -l binutils .. version ? |
| 01:21.15 | genbie | thanks |
| 01:21.55 | genbie | no match found |
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| 01:22.49 | xplane | hey guys, when i try to install debian, it doesn't detect my cd drive |
| 01:23.06 | tvynr | xplane: Is your CD drive SATA? |
| 01:23.21 | xplane | tvynr, i dunno, how do i check |
| 01:23.26 | abrotman | genbie: dpkg -l mount |
| 01:23.34 | abrotman | genbie: ignore |
| 01:23.47 | tvynr | xplane: Is it connected via a big flat grey cable with two rows of pins or a somewhat thin red cable with a tiny sorta L-shaped plug on it? |
| 01:23.52 | abrotman | genbie: dpkg -l login |
| 01:23.57 | xplane | tvynr, no idea lol |
| 01:24.07 | xplane | tvynr, it works fine in all other distros |
| 01:24.11 | tvynr | xplane: Your BIOS might also tell you. |
| 01:24.16 | tvynr | xplane: Which Debian installer are you using? |
| 01:24.19 | genbie | 1:4.1.1-2 |
| 01:24.25 | xplane | tvynr, the net one |
| 01:24.27 | abrotman | seems like lenny to me |
| 01:24.37 | tvynr | xplane: Right, but Debian Etch (stable) or Debian Lenny (testing)? |
| 01:24.40 | genbie | ok abrotman so i might as well stay with it |
| 01:24.47 | abrotman | good plan |
| 01:24.48 | genbie | many thanks for your help abrotman |
| 01:24.48 | yaaar | abrotman; did that routing table look ok to you? |
| 01:25.00 | xplane | tvynr, testing |
| 01:25.02 | tvynr | xplane: I recently had to install Etch on a new machine and the 2.6.18 kernel that comes on the CD does not have the drivers to handle the SATA controller on that motherboard. |
| 01:25.05 | tvynr | xplane: Ah. Hmm. |
| 01:25.36 | xplane | tvynr, i have ubuntu on here currently, its booted knoppis, PClinux OS, mandriva |
| 01:25.44 | abrotman | yaaar: it looks slightly iffy to me .. maybe ask #networking .. i could be wrong since i don't know your netowrk |
| 01:25.49 | tvynr | xplane: If you hit Ctrl+Alt+Right in the installer you can get a console. I don't know if looking at /dev or lspci would work. |
| 01:26.01 | tvynr | xplane: Do you know which kernel module handles your SATA controller? |
| 01:26.09 | xplane | tvynr, no idea |
| 01:26.15 | tvynr | xplane: Hmm. |
| 01:26.40 | tvynr | xplane: Well, it's possible to install Debian using a USB stick or floppies. :-P |
| 01:26.53 | tvynr | xplane: Or net boot. That works too. |
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| 01:27.08 | xplane | tvynr, but then debian will never recognize my cd drive? |
| 01:27.12 | tvynr | xplane: I've also seen instructions for installing Debian while running a Knoppix LiveCD. |
| 01:27.21 | tvynr | xplane: Well, once you get the machine installed it'd be easier to diagnose the problem. |
| 01:27.41 | xplane | tvynr, but isn't it weird that at least 5 other popular distros detect my cd drive but no debian? |
| 01:28.36 | Sling | hmm found the problem |
| 01:28.44 | Sling | 100% use on /var |
| 01:28.54 | Nateside | hey guys, i changed myhostname and mydomain in postfix/main.cf and now mail is all geting returned, no such user, is there another step i need like rehash some files or something? |
| 01:29.27 | bbelt16ag | hey peeps what's the uml kernel called in the debain apt-get repo? |
| 01:29.28 | tvynr | xplane: Yep, I think so. |
| 01:29.31 | slackjr | xplane: sorry for intervention, but i have the same problems to install debian on a proliant ml110 g5 that has a sata unsupported.... |
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| 01:29.48 | xplane | so what did you do? |
| 01:29.48 | tvynr | xplane: Hey... what happens if you use an Etch disc? Perhaps the installer you got is corrupted or otherwise broken. |
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| 01:30.01 | xplane | tvynr, it installed fine on another computer |
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| 01:30.24 | flowar | hi. Do I need drivers for wpa2 or does that come natural? |
| 01:30.28 | slackjr | xplane: but this works on distros like red hat and ubuntu, it is solved with new cd of debian stable with kernel 2.6.24 |
| 01:30.52 | tvynr | xplane: The installer? Hmm. Running out of guesses here. :) |
| 01:30.59 | xplane | slackjr, i was trying testing |
| 01:31.22 | tvynr | flowar: wpa2 is something provided by your drivers. However, to use it, you also need some support software like wpasupplicant. |
| 01:31.47 | tvynr | flowar: The capability is based on your card and your drivers; the actual use of it includes some other software too. |
| 01:33.13 | slackjr | xplane: use a livecd that works with your hardware ( fedora 9 is very good for this ) and find what modules your hardware uses, or find documentations about your hardware o find out what kernel works with your hardware.. |
| 01:34.10 | norton- | Can I install a package from non-free without adding non-free to my sources.list and updating? |
| 01:34.28 | abrotman | you can manually get it and install it |
| 01:34.37 | Nyle | norton-, /msg dpkg pdo |
| 01:34.51 | Nateside | Any one able to answer a postscript question? |
| 01:35.00 | norton- | abrotman: It occured to me some seconds after asking :/ |
| 01:35.01 | norton- | thanks |
| 01:35.02 | norton- | :) |
| 01:35.05 | Nyle | norton-, but that may get complicated if it has many dependencies |
| 01:35.24 | Nyle | norton-, you may end up downloading dependencies manually too |
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| 01:36.40 | norton- | Nyle: It's a firmware for a device, is that just an image read into the hardware when loading it? |
| 01:36.44 | greeg | ih |
| 01:37.58 | Nateside | After changing mydomain and myhostname in postscript's main.cf mail is getting bounced |
| 01:38.01 | greeg | when i ctrl alt F2, to drop to command line mode, the default window manager is gnome when i startx. i want kde. |
| 01:38.02 | norton- | It had no dependencies, lucky this time |
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| 01:38.19 | greeg | i ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it doesent prompt me. |
| 01:38.27 | xplane | sorry for quiting, so is there a solution so i can install debian? |
| 01:39.01 | tvynr | greeg: That's not something you configure in the X server. |
| 01:39.10 | tvynr | greeg: What desktop manager are you using? gdm or kdm? |
| 01:39.14 | greeg | kdm |
| 01:39.17 | tvynr | greeg: Er... login manager. |
| 01:39.25 | tvynr | greeg: In KDM, there's a "session type" in the bottom left. |
| 01:39.31 | tvynr | greeg: Click it and select "KDE" |
| 01:39.38 | greeg | i dont know, never heard of a login manager. how can i find what my login manager is? |
| 01:39.57 | tvynr | greeg: No, you were right. KDM is the answer I wanted. I'm not sure of the term m'self. :) |
| 01:40.06 | xplane | tvynr, any ideas :( |
| 01:40.06 | greeg | tvynr: yes when i log in the defualt is KDE, but when i do a startx from command line mode, it goes into gnome. |
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| 01:40.20 | tvynr | greeg: Oh. That's handled by your ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:40.24 | tvynr | greeg: One sec. |
| 01:40.36 | tvynr | xplane: Sadly, no. :( I have no idea why that's happening. |
| 01:40.59 | xplane | tvynr, i have a new computer, so its not some old obsolete piece of hardware |
| 01:41.13 | mohadib | would an 32 bit application that uses a 32 bit database know or care I the DB was switched for a 64 bit version? |
| 01:41.22 | tvynr | xplane: Well, I suspect it's the newness of the computer that might be the issue: for some reason, the installer you have doesn't have the kernel module to run your controller. |
| 01:41.23 | mohadib | s/I/if |
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| 01:41.41 | tvynr | xplane: I don't know if it's possible, but you might be able to slipstream your own Debian installer with a different kernel. |
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| 01:42.15 | tvynr | mohadib: Like... the SQL database is available over a network connection and another application is connecting to it and now you've switched the SQL server to a 64-bit version? |
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| 01:42.29 | tvynr | greeg: http://pastebin.com/m3aa101c4 |
| 01:42.33 | tvynr | greeg: That's my ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:42.35 | hedos | Hello. Often in Debian, it seems that clipboard data will only last as long as the program from which the data was copied is open. If I close the program, the clipboard data is lost. |
| 01:42.38 | hedos | How can this be changed? |
| 01:42.45 | tvynr | greeg: It starts lwm on :1, gnome on :2, and KDE on everything else. :) |
| 01:42.51 | mohadib | tvynr: thats what I would like to do |
| 01:43.16 | tvynr | mohadib: Unless the application using the database is doing something patently insane, I would not anticipate any problems. |
| 01:43.27 | mohadib | nice, thanks |
| 01:44.00 | greeg | tvynr: i dont really know bash that well, is there anything that needs editing to use KDE from commandline mode? |
| 01:44.11 | tvynr | greeg: One sec. |
| 01:44.45 | tvynr | greeg: Use this one instead: http://pastebin.com/m4e96481c |
| 01:44.55 | greeg | thanx pal i'll give it a try |
| 01:45.17 | yaaar | this is weird. i have a debian stable (etch) server/router that routes traffic fine, and can ping (w/ dns) but can't do anything else (eg, can't do 'lynx http://www.google.com' or 'apt-get update') |
| 01:45.28 | yaaar | anybody know what that's about? the routes are real simple. just two interfaces, one the external on a /30 and the other an internal serving as the gateway for a /27 (working fine...hosts behind it aren't having any problems at all) |
| 01:45.30 | tvynr | greeg: If you don't have a ~/.xinitrc, the system uses /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc instead. |
| 01:45.32 | xplane | tvynr, so i have to wait until debian supports my cd drive to install debian? |
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| 01:46.16 | tvynr | xplane: Either that or make your own installer disc with a newer kernel. I'm sure that's possible, but I've never done it myself. |
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| 01:47.14 | slackjr | yaaar: as a router or a nat router?? |
| 01:47.39 | yaaar | slackjr: no nat |
| 01:48.03 | tech0007 | is this where i ask lenny questions? |
| 01:48.07 | LemensTS | you can put a different cdrom drive in, install debian, then put the old cdrom drive back in and get it working |
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| 01:48.39 | slackjr | yaaar: what to you have at each side??? it deppends os what do you have... |
| 01:48.50 | xplane | tvynr, i was trying debian testing, so i think the newest version, but i don't know how to make a disc with a newer kernel, so i'll just give up on debian |
| 01:49.23 | yaaar | slackjr: each side? the box is debian stable (etch) and frankly i don't know what the isp is using for the gateway on the /30 ...prolly cisco |
| 01:49.25 | micols | xplane: you can fetch a new kernel after install |
| 01:49.41 | tvynr | xplane: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel |
| 01:49.41 | tvynr | micols: He needs the new kernel to be able to install. |
| 01:49.44 | micols | xplane: either from apt (precompiled and configured for you) or from kernel.org (and play with it yourself) |
| 01:49.45 | xplane | micols, i can't install it because it won't detect my CD drive |
| 01:49.46 | slackjr | xplane: find out simple-cdd.... the easy way to create you own intall cd |
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| 01:49.58 | micols | oh sorry to hear that, sorry i didnt see it. |
| 01:50.00 | newsense | people that use synaptic are insane, the depends are over 50 almost 60 packages, for what ? |
| 01:50.00 | LemensTS | can you boot it from a usb drive xplane |
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| 01:50.15 | yaaar | slackjr: it's a really simple setup...just eth0 with a static on the /30 and a gateway, and eth1 with a static on the /27, with no gateway, and uncommented the ipv4 forwarding line in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 01:50.30 | xplane | LemensTS, i have a usb drive, never booted from it, but that would mean i could never use my cd drive in debian |
| 01:50.39 | micols | anyone with experience setting up QoS on linux? |
| 01:50.53 | yaaar | slackjr: here's my routing table: |
| 01:50.56 | yaaar | 76.77.142.128 * 255.255.255.252 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:50.58 | yaaar | localnet * 255.255.255.224 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 01:50.59 | yaaar | default 76.77.142.129 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 01:51.02 | micols | the reason i ask this way is because its badly documented, there is only lartc.org |
| 01:51.05 | slackjr | yaaar: this ips is valid ips??? |
| 01:51.10 | LemensTS | xplane: once you have linux installed off the usb, you can update the kernel with the cdrom support |
| 01:51.15 | yaaar | slackjr: sure |
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| 01:51.46 | xplane | LemensTS, but wouldn't using the latest testing CD have the latest kernel? |
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| 01:52.29 | yaaar | xplane: very frequently bootable distro cds have older kernels than the latest from the repos |
| 01:52.32 | micols | sometimes you can set compatibity on IDE DEVICES in your bios. |
| 01:52.37 | tvynr | micols: I use Shorewall. |
| 01:52.42 | LemensTS | xplane: i figured that you seen the next kernel coming out was going to have your cdrom support.. |
| 01:52.42 | micols | to make linux recognize it, be it sata device as well. |
| 01:52.56 | micols | tvynr: played with tc rules, including TBF queues? |
| 01:52.57 | tvynr | micols: It's got a nice little set of QoS features which works better than anything I ever set up by hand. |
| 01:53.01 | xplane | LemensTS, sorry didn't understand that |
| 01:53.08 | micols | tvynr: i need the tc rules |
| 01:53.18 | micols | and qdics commands |
| 01:53.26 | tvynr | micols: I used to play with TC directly. You can instruct Shorewall to do a lot of stuff, but I don't know how specific you can get. |
| 01:53.33 | tvynr | micols: Why do you ask? What are you trying to do? |
| 01:53.40 | LemensTS | xplane: did you see that your cdrom drive is supported in a certain kernel? |
| 01:53.49 | xplane | LemensTS, nope |
| 01:53.53 | slackjr | yaaar: sorry im not understanding what do you want to do, but a good start point is lartc.org |
| 01:54.05 | micols | tvynr: i am doing load balancing on my nfs shares, i want one virtual interface to be only 50Mbit and the physical interface to be 100mbit (full speed) |
| 01:54.21 | yaaar | slackjr: what do you mean? all i want is for the box to work right! |
| 01:54.31 | yaaar | i can't browse websites from it... |
| 01:54.35 | yaaar | but i can ping hostnames |
| 01:54.47 | tvynr | micols: My Shorewall config looks like this: http://pastebin.com/m74fb808d |
| 01:54.49 | micols | tvynr: then the client mounts nfs shares from both interfaces on the server, and the virtual interface should serve nfs files slower to the client in order for the client not to lag its rootfs when using nfs shares from eth1:1 (other nfs shares), its a thin client |
| 01:54.54 | abrotman | is its dns server on the small /30 ? |
| 01:54.58 | tvynr | micols: Then I just assign traffic to whichever channel I like. |
| 01:55.02 | LemensTS | xplane: ok then evermind. i dont know how to do it then...not sure if you can put it in the kernel yourself...ive never done it...anyone? |
| 01:55.15 | slackjr | yaaar: maybe firewall rules.... |
| 01:55.24 | yaaar | slackjr: no firewall running |
| 01:55.43 | micols | tvynr: hehe, apart from making it work i would like to understand it as well :) |
| 01:56.02 | micols | tvynr: and make it all into a nice gateway script. and have iptables rules in same file |
| 01:56.06 | slackjr | yaaar: ok lets start again..... |
| 01:56.08 | micols | same file as tc rules |
| 01:56.20 | micols | for easy maintenance |
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| 01:56.35 | micols | if one could call QoS in linux easy :) |
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| 01:56.38 | tvynr | micols: Well, my tc qdisc looks like this as a result of that file: http://pastebin.com/d41996b85 |
| 01:57.08 | slackjr | yaaar: you have a box with a default installation, just ip forwarding active ok... |
| 01:57.12 | tvynr | micols: But frankly, I'm not a QoS expert. Someone else put Shorewall together and it does a great job, so as much as I'd love to understand it fully I want to use something that does the job like snap. |
| 01:57.27 | micols | tvynr: can it do TBF queues too? |
| 01:57.30 | tvynr | micols: Shorewall's config is in several different files in /etc/shorewall. I find this to be much easier, m'self. |
| 01:57.34 | tvynr | micols: That I don't know. :) |
| 01:57.39 | micols | TBF is the #1 choice for bandwidth limiting, including VOIP transactions |
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| 02:01.46 | *** topic/#debian is openssl vulnerability: /msg dpkg dsa1571 | 4.0r4 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
| 02:01.52 | Sling | hey hacker con talk |
| 02:01.58 | newsense | trench coats walkin into internet cafe |
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| 02:02.12 | Sling | you guys know there is going to be a big hacker camp in netherlands (most likely) next summer? |
| 02:02.16 | Sling | www.har2009.org |
| 02:02.22 | xplane | abrotman, is the netinstall the 175 MB CD? |
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| 02:02.29 | tvynr | micols: "HTB is a classful Token Bucket Filter" |
| 02:02.33 | Sling | or did i spam that in here already |
| 02:02.37 | greeg | tvynr: thanx pal. that worked |
| 02:02.42 | abrotman | xplane: yes |
| 02:02.42 | newsense | dont like hackers in the tv sense |
| 02:02.43 | tvynr | greeg: Good to know! |
| 02:02.47 | xplane | abrotman, i was using that |
| 02:02.54 | Sling | newsense : its hackers in the 2600 sense |
| 02:02.55 | slackjr | yaaar: this must be enough...... any other troubleshooting my be done with tcpdump,hping3 to find out where the packages stops. |
| 02:02.58 | newsense | white hat ;) |
| 02:03.02 | Sling | ppl from that time are in organisation atm |
| 02:03.05 | abrotman | xplane: okay |
| 02:03.11 | extor | I heard those 2600 meetings are infested with feds for some reason, probably to keep tabs on everything |
| 02:03.15 | xplane | abrotman, so if that didn't work what should i do? |
| 02:03.18 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.26 | abrotman | xplane: there's also the kmuto stuff ... |
| 02:03.36 | extor | At least that is what the 2600 crowd seemed to say if I recall correctly |
| 02:03.37 | xplane | abrotman, the what? |
| 02:03.43 | abrotman | !tell xplane about kmuto |
| 02:03.46 | slackjr | yaaar: from a machine on the localnet try to use traceroute ( tracert on windows ) |
| 02:04.06 | newsense | these people went into the internet cafe with old pc's and scsi cards, etc.. the girls asked who we were |
| 02:04.10 | abrotman | !ot |
| 02:04.11 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 02:04.35 | newsense | is offtopic, sorry |
| 02:04.39 | extor | Why does etch no longer offer webmin? security holes? |
| 02:04.46 | abrotman | !tell extor about webmin |
| 02:04.53 | abrotman | in general .. it sucks |
| 02:04.54 | newsense | eww webmin |
| 02:05.08 | yaaar | slackjr: traceroutes look fine |
| 02:05.26 | xplane | abrotman, i'm guessing theres none for lenny? |
| 02:05.29 | zed2323 | Hi folks. is the SGML source for Debian documentation available in any package or just from svn.debian.org? |
| 02:05.30 | abrotman | yaaar: echo $http_proxy ? |
| 02:05.37 | abrotman | xplane: nope |
| 02:05.40 | yaaar | i traced from a box on the /27 to both interfaces of the router, to the next hop router, and to google. |
| 02:05.54 | newsense | extor: im thinking about starting a lug in my neighborhood called plug |
| 02:06.03 | abrotman | newsense: #debian-offtopic |
| 02:06.04 | extor | I need something in debian which can arrange my awstats stats...webmin just does webalizer and I wanna know what else I can have for plug and play apache logfile analysis |
| 02:06.04 | xplane | abrotman, if i wait for final of lenny, you think it will work? |
| 02:06.04 | slackjr | yaaar: from the router machine, using linx do oyu reach google? |
| 02:06.05 | newsense | posen linux users group |
| 02:06.13 | yaaar | slackjr: no |
| 02:06.18 | extor | abrotman, starting a lug is not offtopic is it? |
| 02:06.21 | abrotman | xplane: maybe |
| 02:06.24 | yaaar | slackjr: but i do from hosts behind it on the /27 |
| 02:06.27 | abrotman | extor: try the offtopic channel |
| 02:06.47 | LemensTS | xplane: seems like alot of hassle your in. Is it a special cdrom? |
| 02:06.48 | newsense | abrotman: bad day ? |
| 02:06.58 | yaaar | slackjr: no proxy |
| 02:07.05 | abrotman | newsense: no you're offtopic |
| 02:07.15 | newsense | sorry calm down |
| 02:07.17 | yaaar | slackjr: (i did go ahead and check the variable) |
| 02:07.20 | newsense | ill stop ok |
| 02:07.23 | xplane | LemensTS, its nothing special, a got it with my new PC |
| 02:07.52 | tvynr | xplane: Do you have a spare optical drive you can try in the box? I'm still guessing it's not the drive but the whole SATA controller. |
| 02:08.07 | tvynr | xplane: My feeling is that if you could get it installed with the same version of kernel as the things which are working for you you'd be good to go. |
| 02:08.08 | abrotman | extor: why not just use webalizer ? |
| 02:08.10 | xplane | tvynr, bope :( |
| 02:08.13 | tvynr | xplane: But I might be wrong. :-P |
| 02:08.30 | tvynr | xplane: You say Knoppix works? Knoppix is Debian-based. What kernel version is the Knoppix you're using? |
| 02:08.38 | extor | webalizer looks a bit crappy..it seems to skip log entries |
| 02:08.43 | extor | I need a second opinion |
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| 02:08.49 | xplane | tvynr, its whatever was in knoppix 5.1.1 cd version |
| 02:09.09 | flowar | how do I uppdate my system as much as possible? I ran aptitude update, and then aptitude full-upgrade |
| 02:09.23 | tvynr | xplane: Can you fire it up and run uname -a from the console? |
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| 02:09.28 | extor | Reading previous run data.. webalizer.current |
| 02:09.28 | extor | 82242 records (82242 ignored) in 1.53 seconds, 53752/sec |
| 02:09.32 | abrotman | extor: a million things you could search for |
| 02:09.35 | extor | Why is it ignoring so many logs? |
| 02:09.38 | xplane | tvynr, i'll try in a bit :) |
| 02:09.41 | extor | I mean records |
| 02:09.48 | abrotman | extor: it probably already analyzed them |
| 02:09.57 | abrotman | flowar: that's it |
| 02:09.58 | extor | abrotman, this is the first run |
| 02:10.09 | slackjr | yaaar: ok, looks like all is done, but if the box cant reach google, maybe a problem on networks, the configuration is ok... sorry my friend... |
| 02:10.20 | abrotman | extor: then check the docs/config |
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| 02:10.27 | abrotman | extor: i've used it .. seems to work fine |
| 02:10.37 | flowar | k |
| 02:11.00 | extor | abrotman, when you run yours does it give you that error? |
| 02:11.28 | newsense | im running exim to send mail locally and sending remotely using a smarthost, in order to send mail through my smarthost i have to use an /etc/email-address allias to send outgoing mail, only problem is any user i set in /etc/email-addresses and add an external address for , when they send mail locally it shows it as coming from remote email address, not local |
| 02:11.40 | newsense | might nothave explained it righjt |
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| 02:12.03 | newsense | im on topic, like to see3 a response as quick as if i was offtopic, doubght it |
| 02:12.26 | tvynr | newsense: A bit sour? |
| 02:12.27 | abrotman | extor: it ignores some if i rerun it too soon IIRC |
| 02:12.30 | newsense | offtopic=immediate response |
| 02:12.35 | newsense | sorry |
| 02:12.40 | newsense | im a bit annoye |
| 02:12.42 | tvynr | newsense: np :) |
| 02:12.49 | xplane | tvynr, should i try sid? |
| 02:12.51 | newsense | i take it back |
| 02:13.01 | tvynr | xplane: Well, I don't think there's an installer disc for that. Ever. |
| 02:13.03 | newsense | not sour nemore |
| 02:13.14 | xplane | oh ok |
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| 02:13.43 | tvynr | xplane: I'm very curious as to why your optical drive isn't doing the dance. I can't imagine it m'self, especially not if Knoppix and Ubuntu (both Debian derivatives) work fine. |
| 02:13.54 | tvynr | xplane: 's why I'm curious about the kernel version Knoppix is using. :) |
| 02:13.59 | xplane | tvynr, yea, i'm really confused |
| 02:14.11 | micols | if its a sata drive set compatibility in bios |
| 02:14.19 | tvynr | newsense: I'm afraid I'm a Courier mail fan, m'self. I only ever touch exim long enough to make sure it's sending out e-mail about RAIDs. |
| 02:14.32 | tvynr | micols: He says it works fine for other distros. Just not the Lenny installer. |
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| 02:14.54 | micols | tvynr: still compatibility might help it |
| 02:14.55 | null_ | omg! unstable IS unstable! AGHHH!!!! |
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| 02:15.37 | tvynr | micols: True; it'd change which driver it uses. That's what I did with the other machine when I needed to install Etch: I put it in IDE compatibility mode, installed that way, and then installed an etch backport kernel on the running machine and switched the compatibility back. |
| 02:15.48 | flowar | how do I make aptitude look for compiz on the net instead of the installation dvd? |
| 02:15.57 | tvynr | null_: Yeah, Sid is not a kind master. |
| 02:16.16 | tvynr | flowar: Remove the installation CD from your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 02:16.24 | flowar | k gr8 |
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| 02:16.27 | micols | hehe i am in the other end.. etch on all 4 machines i own.. has the disadvantage that i need to compile gimp myself from svn :( |
| 02:16.28 | tvynr | flowar: (I recommend doing that in general.) |
| 02:16.43 | tvynr | micols: Why's that? |
| 02:16.43 | micols | compiled gimp 2.4.6 from svn, took a long time with all those dependencies |
| 02:16.45 | null_ | Question: i just had to downgrade to 18.6 from 25.2 to get madwifi working :/ |
| 02:16.52 | null_ | that's not a question, more of a rant |
| 02:17.02 | micols | i think i had to compile 10+ dependencies before i could compile it for my etch |
| 02:17.07 | null_ | and ask for reommendations of what i could do for a more stable environment. simple answer is not to upgrade from now. |
| 02:17.09 | micols | including my gtk theme :) |
| 02:17.17 | tvynr | micols: etch-backports didn't have anything for you? |
| 02:17.25 | micols | tvynr: no.. only openoffice is in there |
| 02:17.30 | tvynr | null_: I'm having a dandy time with Lenny. But Sid is scary. |
| 02:17.36 | micols | tvynr: and gimp 2.4 or 2.5 is way nicer than 2.2 |
| 02:17.42 | micols | huge improvements |
| 02:17.52 | null_ | tvynr: I actually NEED sid in order to edit AVCHD video (full hd video codec) |
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| 02:18.14 | micols | tvynr: only openoffice which i needed was in there, even. |
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| 02:18.50 | tvynr | micols: I'm running Lenny on my workstation. Little to no problems so far. Just a weird bit in Firefox 3 rc2 where the menu names disappear when I hover over them. :) |
| 02:19.05 | tvynr | micols: It seemed easier than custom-building Pidgin-OTR and all that other nonsense. |
| 02:19.15 | micols | tvynr: hehe yes i guess im just not normal :) |
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| 02:19.33 | tvynr | micols: Oh, I tried to stick to Etch for quite some time. |
| 02:19.37 | micols | never liked testing that much, it always gave me problems, LC_LANG problems and stuff like that :) |
| 02:19.49 | micols | etch always worked for me. |
| 02:20.15 | tvynr | micols: Testing's stability varies. It tends to be not at all good immediately after a stable release and then gradually get better over time in my experience. |
| 02:20.33 | micols | tvynr: right.. i almost got my system destroyed after debian 4.0 came out |
| 02:20.38 | micols | when i wanted to try testing :) |
| 02:20.41 | tvynr | micols: So come a new release, I always shift over to stable for a few months and live off of backports. I go back to testing when something new comes out and I'm sick of backporting my own stuff. |
| 02:20.53 | micols | but i might have had some bad packages and made a few mistakes |
| 02:21.20 | micols | i think it was a good old woody or sarge :) |
| 02:21.26 | tvynr | micols: Well, the upgrade from libc 2.3.6 to the higher versions threw a lot of my stuff out of whack. This is when I learned not to hybridize distros. :) |
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| 02:21.49 | micols | tvynr: i have definitely learned the hard way not to MIX versions in debian |
| 02:22.04 | micols | and also, its impossible to downgrade debian unless you have a very simple setup :) |
| 02:22.14 | tvynr | micols: Yeah. It's easy to stumble into doing that with all the apt-pinning and so forth out there. ;) |
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| 02:22.39 | tvynr | micols: Yeah, but reinstalling from scratch and keeping all of your settings is like a two hour process. Faster, depending on your connection. :) |
| 02:23.06 | micols | yes, 25mbit so is quite fast i always use net install |
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| 02:23.50 | micols | i had my debian woody for a long long time, but strange things did happen as i had mixed testing and stable |
| 02:24.01 | micols | and then removing those again and converting back to stable a few times :) |
| 02:24.13 | ukatan | haha, wow |
| 02:24.23 | micols | now i just do pinning on very few selected packages |
| 02:24.42 | tvynr | micols: My fuss right now is trying to get Etch to debootstrap on a Lenny system using fakeroot. It's not going nicely. |
| 02:24.58 | tvynr | micols: I'm installing 32-bit Lenny in a VM to try to track down the problem. |
| 02:25.06 | micols | hm i just debootstrapped an etch on my etch server in around 1minute :) |
| 02:25.16 | micols | but setting up the diskless client took a few days |
| 02:25.19 | tvynr | micols: Oh, Etch to Etch works great. |
| 02:25.28 | micols | i think i had all kinds of errors. |
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| 02:25.31 | tvynr | micols: But putting an Etch fakechroot on a Lenny system isn't going well for me. |
| 02:25.41 | micols | including timeouts (never use realtek again) |
| 02:25.44 | tvynr | micols: Something about GLIBC 2.4 being necessary. |
| 02:25.56 | tvynr | micols: Diskless client? For what? |
| 02:26.04 | micols | tvynr: my workstation. |
| 02:26.12 | micols | at home :) |
| 02:26.27 | flowar | is aptitude dist-upgrade a sensetive thing? (thinking of that it wants to remove stuff) |
| 02:26.41 | micols | its actually quite nice, boots with 8MB of memory as it doesnt have to load a huge ext3 fs :) |
| 02:26.46 | micols | only nfs root :) |
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| 02:26.54 | tvynr | micols: hehe |
| 02:27.06 | micols | then i have 2040MB left |
| 02:27.13 | micols | if i decide to startx :) |
| 02:27.26 | micols | which i normally do |
| 02:27.27 | tvynr | micols: My workstation is on the other side of the table. Root drive is running over a RAID1. Swap is running over a RAID1. Data unit is a four disk RAID5. |
| 02:28.02 | micols | i was using 2x10k compaqs in softraid1 before diskless now, worked fine, but a little loud and they were running hot. |
| 02:28.07 | tvynr | micols: The machine has a huge hotswap bay in it. And a big gob of RAM to accomodate the disk caching and, of course, the crazy things I do. |
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| 02:28.20 | micols | better put them in the next room where i got my external scsi enclosure with good cooling |
| 02:28.31 | micols | hehe |
| 02:28.32 | abrotman | flowar: it can be |
| 02:28.43 | micols | i got various raid1,10,5 out there. |
| 02:28.48 | micols | but mostly small disks. |
| 02:28.55 | micols | 9,18GB,320GB,1TB disks |
| 02:29.02 | flowar | abrotman: does it downgrade anything? or just upgrade stuff? |
| 02:29.07 | tvynr | micols: Come to think of it, I think the only thing I don't have in an array is my Wintendo. |
| 02:29.08 | micols | 7200rpm to 15000rpm |
| 02:29.09 | flowar | *stuff*, packages |
| 02:29.22 | micols | tvynr: wintendo? |
| 02:29.24 | abrotman | flowar: i don't think so |
| 02:29.25 | neonlightning | can i use apt-tools or synaptic to install from a downloaded package rather then dpkg -i? |
| 02:29.31 | tvynr | micols: I've got a Windows box I use for games. :) |
| 02:29.40 | abrotman | i suppose if ytou mix it could downgrade |
| 02:29.48 | abrotman | neonlightning: why? |
| 02:29.57 | micols | tvynr: right.. i just spent more time configuring wine and playing 'real' games, like quake and et :) |
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| 02:30.07 | neonlightning | abrotman, to install a downloaded .deb file |
| 02:30.11 | micols | also duke3d runs natively under linux now.. which is nice.. with sdl midi sound, oh my god |
| 02:30.18 | abrotman | neonlightning: dpkg -i foo.deb |
| 02:30.18 | tvynr | neonlightning: I don't think so, no. apt et. al. are intended to handle the networking and the dependency resolution; they use dpkg behind the scenes. |
| 02:30.21 | ukatan | oh man, really? |
| 02:30.24 | micols | i tried running that in dosbox before.. was running with 10fps on a 4ghz |
| 02:30.35 | ukatan | might have to get in on this. |
| 02:30.37 | micols | but the linux version runs highvga res. |
| 02:30.57 | neonlightning | tvynr, yea thats one thing i miss about yum is if i found a packages online that had deps it would try and grab them |
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| 02:31.17 | abrotman | neonlightning: dpkg -i foo.deb && aptitude -f install .. done |
| 02:31.23 | tvynr | neonlightning: Well, IIRC you can dpkg -i and then apt-get -f install |
| 02:31.27 | tvynr | abrotman: Beat me to it. ;) |
| 02:31.29 | magyar | hi, what is the name of the package that makes gnome aps run better in kde? |
| 02:31.30 | micols | tvynr: you can run 95% of all games on linux if you just use time on it.. but if you got an expensive gfx i see why you would want windows for games |
| 02:31.34 | micols | to play the new ones. |
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| 02:31.50 | micols | i got an x1950pro myself and i have waited 1 year already for a good driver from ati for linux. |
| 02:31.53 | neonlightning | abrotman and tvynr ok lets see how well that one works :P |
| 02:32.04 | micols | i even had to patch my kernel to make the ati driver work. |
| 02:32.11 | micols | (new kernel) |
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| 02:32.28 | Internat | is there a way to make aptitude not prompt me for anything? ie im building an auto build server script, and it keeps prompting me for things like postfix setup and that, but i dont care about that cause im going to replace the config files myself as part of my script.. suggestions?> |
| 02:32.42 | tvynr | micols: Heh. I'm running a GeForce 7200GS. Not heavyweight. And I'd gladly ditch the Windows box, but my experience is that most Windows games do not play nicely under Linux. I kept getting mouse cursor bugs with CounterStrike and most things wouldn't even install. Even with Cedega. |
| 02:32.46 | micols | nvidia on linux on the other hand is painless, the installer script is rather intelligent too. |
| 02:32.46 | abrotman | you can set the debconf priority |
| 02:33.03 | acidslep | is there any reason my wireless would drop when im not using it |
| 02:33.11 | micols | tvynr: quake2 and 3 runs better under linux than windows |
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| 02:33.33 | micols | but i guess we could consider q3 a linuxgame |
| 02:33.44 | tvynr | micols: Oh, when a game *does* run well under Linux, it always runs better than Windows. :) |
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| 02:34.01 | tvynr | micols: I just have trouble getting it running in the first place. |
| 02:34.12 | acidslep | is there any reason my wireless would drop when im not using it? |
| 02:34.15 | tvynr | micols: My system is AMD64, so that could be making a difference. |
| 02:34.36 | micols | yes i think so, 64bit could make trouble i suppose |
| 02:34.44 | micols | at least some time ago |
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| 02:34.55 | micols | not many dists supported it |
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| 02:35.39 | magyar | what happen to gtk-qt-engine for lenny? |
| 02:37.01 | micols | tvynr: appdb.winehq.com i think the url is will show you compatibility, but i guess you know that url when you have played with cedega etc. |
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| 02:37.13 | null_ | If someone were to say that 3 years from now... you'd be loong gone somethign something :( i hate work |
| 02:37.37 | micols | i know that hl and hl2 will run on linux, even starcraft will run (except for battlenet) |
| 02:37.39 | tvynr | micols: Yeah. It doesn't get along with 64-bit very well... but I understand it's improving. There's a WINE package for AMD64 now. :-D |
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| 02:37.59 | micols | hehe nice |
| 02:38.06 | tvynr | micols: Not much point in SC without Bnet. The game is mostly excellent due to Use Map Settings. :-P |
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| 02:38.38 | acidslep | " |
| 02:38.40 | micols | tvynr: hehe i spent quite a few hours optimizing my SC with wine.. with a 4ghz it did run worse than a 300mhz with 32mb ram under windows |
| 02:38.42 | acidslep | is there any reason my wireless would drop when im not using it? |
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| 02:38.51 | micols | and that was around 2-3 years ago or so |
| 02:38.53 | null_ | micols: hl and hl2 are complicated (heavily) by Steam |
| 02:39.06 | amikrop | So, will ever Debian and Mozilla come to an agreement (about Firefox branding)? |
| 02:39.07 | micols | yes null_ was about to say that too, steam can and will make problems |
| 02:39.14 | micols | but for offline play it works flawlessly :| |
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| 02:39.30 | acidslep | steam doea indeed suck |
| 02:39.35 | micols | i have seen hl working with steam though, i even got it working myself i think once |
| 02:39.38 | tvynr | amikrop: Yeah. The Debian people call it "Iceweasel" and no one complains. :) |
| 02:39.40 | null_ | micols: hl will run with excellent fps under Wine. hl2 will run with poor fps under wine. there will be no sound under portal in wine. steam runs abhorrantly slow under wine, though once you start the games it's fine |
| 02:39.46 | acidslep | why is that on the debian channel though |
| 02:40.06 | null_ | micols: I've been unable to install any non-steam hl2'ish games |
| 02:40.15 | micols | i think there was some directsound issues.. if i disabled sound on starcraft it was fullspeed |
| 02:40.22 | micols | but with sound on i got lags now and then |
| 02:40.31 | micols | and lots of FIXME's/errors in console |
| 02:40.32 | amikrop | tvynr: I know. I mean if Debian people will ever call it "Firefox" (if maybe Mozilla make some steps back)? |
| 02:40.45 | null_ | ICEWEASEL! |
| 02:40.48 | tvynr | amikrop: I doubt it, but I haven't kept up with that news. |
| 02:40.50 | null_ | THE WEASEL IS ON ICE! |
| 02:40.59 | acidslep | hahahahheheh |
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| 02:41.31 | amikrop | I would prefer if my browser was called Firefox and had the fox as the badge. It's more "trendy", you know :P |
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| 02:41.53 | micols | tvynr: i got heretic,hexen,duke3d,jazz3d,doom1,2,3,hl,quake,quake2,quake3,quake4 installed on my linux box |
| 02:42.00 | tvynr | amikrop: Well, you can always custom compile. :-D |
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| 02:42.05 | micols | all of them running as good as on windows/better |
| 02:42.11 | tvynr | micols: Are you running a 32-bit distro? |
| 02:42.15 | micols | yes |
| 02:42.25 | gbp | micols: those games are awesome |
| 02:42.25 | tvynr | micols: Hmm. Makes me wonder if maybe I'll have more success with my laptop. |
| 02:42.27 | abrotman | tvynr: IIRC you can use a custom throbber |
| 02:42.29 | micols | also enemy territory and a few others. |
| 02:42.49 | gbp | micols: i am jealous! |
| 02:43.07 | micols | the great thing is midisound in the old games |
| 02:43.11 | micols | its amazing :) |
| 02:43.12 | gbp | yep |
| 02:43.18 | tvynr | micols: I use DOSBox for old games. |
| 02:43.30 | tvynr | micols: Very CPU intensive but definitely worth it in terms of control. |
| 02:43.34 | micols | tvynr: all of those games except jazz3d,quake2 is native linux |
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| 02:43.44 | micols | so runs flawlessly |
| 02:43.46 | gbp | duke3d is probably the one I remember the most, I remember spending way too much time after school playing it and creating custom maps with my friends.. oh good times |
| 02:43.48 | null_ | micols: which of those games are actually still worth playing? i'll give you jazz3d, hl (mods) and quake4 |
| 02:43.53 | amikrop | tvynr: Or, use a third party repository. Are there any? |
| 02:44.04 | tvynr | amikrop: No idea. Never looked. :) |
| 02:44.05 | micols | gbp: duke3d is linux sdl and even runs highvga on my laptop.. it looks GOOD.. much better than doom |
| 02:44.10 | gbp | ** Welcome to #Gamer-talk. |
| 02:44.10 | micols | with midi sound and voices :) |
| 02:44.22 | null_ | lol i'll prolly play through duke3d tonight now |
| 02:44.24 | gbp | nice ! :) |
| 02:44.31 | amikrop | tvynr: ok ;) |
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| 02:44.41 | null_ | !ping |
| 02:44.41 | dpkg | pong |
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| 02:45.25 | gbp | I am trying to remember the name of the software used to build duke3d maps, think it was "build"? |
| 02:45.47 | extor | Are there any other freeware web server control panels besides webmin out there? |
| 02:46.11 | abrotman | not in debian |
| 02:46.20 | null_ | webmin is pretty state of the art |
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| 02:47.00 | micols | my favorite game is 'typespeed' however :) its in 'apt' :) |
| 02:47.10 | null_ | hmm im gonna go try it |
| 02:47.24 | micols | i got a shell if you want, that way we have same versions if you want to play :) |
| 02:47.28 | micols | as i got etch debian. |
| 02:47.50 | micols | its an old 0.4.4 |
| 02:47.53 | null_ | o.0 |
| 02:48.02 | null_ | i just installed 0.6.4-2 |
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| 02:48.15 | null_ | reading database...................................................................................... |
| 02:48.18 | micols | that wont play, at least not against me , need same versions |
| 02:48.51 | null_ | wow this is taking forever to install for being 75 kb |
| 02:48.58 | extor | abrotman wants you to know: well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor qual |
| 02:48.58 | extor | ity. |
| 02:49.07 | abrotman | and? |
| 02:49.08 | extor | Wow he has some strong feelings about webmin |
| 02:49.20 | abrotman | no need to paste it in here agin |
| 02:49.22 | abrotman | again |
| 02:49.36 | extor | Sorry it had some comedic value and was not off topic |
| 02:50.10 | flowar | what do you do after aptitude update... is it aptitude upgrade? |
| 02:50.24 | abrotman | or dist-upgrade .. but yes |
| 02:51.12 | flowar | what's more appropriate? dist-upgrade or upgrade? |
| 02:51.47 | abrotman | depends on your versoin of debian .. but 'upgrade' or safe-upgrade is less dangerous |
| 02:52.37 | flowar | hmm... i saw tat. I just canceled a i383 download by dist-upgrade |
| 02:52.40 | flowar | that* |
| 02:53.09 | flowar | is aptitude supposed to replace apt-get? |
| 02:53.29 | abrotman | !why aptitude |
| 02:53.29 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
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| 02:57.00 | devTux | All, good night! ;) |
| 02:57.06 | tvynr | cheers! |
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| 02:57.28 | newsense | logcheck or logwatch, opinions ? |
| 02:57.33 | yumigator | Is there any way to disable swfdec and just use the real flash plugin (in firefox) |
| 02:57.53 | newsense | !mutimedia |
| 02:58.24 | yumigator | !multimedia |
| 02:58.25 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 02:58.28 | newsense | dpkg tell yumigator about multimedia |
| 02:58.48 | newsense | ok |
| 02:58.56 | yumigator | yeah, I have installed it from that repo |
| 02:59.06 | yumigator | But firefox still chooses swfdec |
| 02:59.19 | kmeyer | debian illegal :D |
| 02:59.25 | yumigator | both plugins are listed in about:plugins |
| 03:00.08 | Humanoid | If I use dpkg "--root=dir" to install a package into a separate directory, will it run properly from that separate directory? (without using chroot) |
| 03:00.45 | kmeyer | Humanoid: most likely no. |
| 03:00.55 | yumigator | if you get the libraries set up, it will work |
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| 03:01.31 | Humanoid | Maybe there is a way to make it work properly from a separate directory if I rebuild the package starting from "apt-get source package"? |
| 03:01.52 | yumigator | I think adding that new directory to /etc/ld.so.conf and then running ldconfig should work |
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| 03:02.06 | yumigator | and obviously, the bin directory needs to be added to your PATH |
| 03:03.46 | Humanoid | yumigator: Is that all that is needed? There's no hardcoded references to paths like "/usr/share/packagename/file"? |
| 03:03.56 | sparr | it bothers me when a package with tens of thousands of users (thousands according to popcon, extrapolate) is dropped because of lack of upstream support... we love it bugs and all. |
| 03:04.13 | tvynr | sparr: Which package? |
| 03:04.23 | sparr | does it matter? |
| 03:04.31 | tvynr | sparr: Not really. I'm just curious. |
| 03:04.38 | Humanoid | Whenever I compiler from source, all I need to do is start with "./configure --prefix=/separatedir" and everything works. |
| 03:04.46 | sparr | tvynr: xmms |
| 03:05.02 | tvynr | sparr: Yeah, that's frustrating me too. Also, what bugs? |
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| 03:05.19 | tvynr | sparr: And xmms2 is so very very not a replacement. |
| 03:05.23 | sparr | none that bother me. the same random affects-one-user-out-of-ten-thousand bugs that every package has |
| 03:05.26 | yumigator | Humanoid: hardcoded paths would depend on the software |
| 03:05.31 | yumigator | some will work, some won't |
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| 03:05.56 | yumigator | but as you said, if you compile from source, it will take care of the issue |
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| 03:06.58 | yumigator | and I just realized that Firefox has a plugins window under add-ons, so to disable swfdec I just had to click on disable... |
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| 03:09.34 | Humanoid | Okay, so I will compile from source. But instead of compiling from the upstream source, I want to compile from the debian sources. So instead of doing "./configure --prefix=..." what do I need to do to get the equivalent result from the debian sources? Some command line option to dpkg-buildpackage maybe? |
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| 03:10.22 | Humanoid | I already did "apt-get source package" and "apt-get build-dep package". I have trouble figuring out what to do next. |
| 03:10.51 | Humanoid | Is it just a different way of compiling, or do I have to modify one of the source files? |
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| 03:13.40 | Humanoid | I see there is a debian/rules flag that has a "confflags = --prefix=/usr" option. I am thinking that changing that would be all that is needed... but I'm not sure. |
| 03:13.45 | Humanoid | s/flag/file/ |
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| 03:15.57 | newsense | Error |
| 03:15.57 | newsense | Too many failed 'forgotten password' attempts for this user. |
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| 03:16.50 | superjoe30 | hey if I'm getting "svn: OPTIONS of <url>: Could not read status line: Secure connection truncated" is that a local problem or is the SVN server down? |
| 03:17.41 | newsense | can anyone help me |
| 03:17.41 | newsense | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:17.55 | superjoe30 | newsense: don't ask to ask |
| 03:18.14 | newsense | wrong channel sorry |
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| 03:22.01 | extor | When I cat /proc/cpuinfo on a box with 4 CPU cores and get 4,000 bogomips per core, does that mean the actual bogomips are about 16,000? |
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| 03:26.06 | _Zeuz_ | does anybody know where to change the foot icon of gnome? |
| 03:26.07 | flowr | how do I update a partikular packet? i.e. wget? |
| 03:26.47 | _Zeuz_ | flowr, aptitude upgrade wget |
| 03:27.16 | tvynr | flowr: install works too if there's a newer version available |
| 03:28.30 | flowr | does aptitude install first try to check for updates of the specific package im giving before installing it? |
| 03:28.48 | flowr | hmm.. that was an uncecessary long sentence. I almost wrote it even longer |
| 03:28.55 | flowr | formulated* |
| 03:29.44 | _Zeuz_ | flowr, first you need apt-get update or aptitude update to be done |
| 03:30.04 | flowr | k |
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| 03:34.28 | tvynr | Has fakechroot been dropped as a package? How would I find out? |
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| 03:36.51 | tvynr | Anyone know how I'd find out whether or not a package is no longer in Lenny? Is searching on packages.debian.org enough to confirm that support has been dropped? |
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| 03:49.01 | LCdN | Hi. I'm having problems compiling KDE 4.1 from Branch, on Debian Tesing. I compile and install kdelibs, but then I go to kdebase and, during compile, I get errors such as ...kde4.1/kdebase-4.1.0/apps/plasma/applets/folderview/folderview.h:29:32: error: plasma/containment.h: No such file or directory . What could be wrong? |
| 03:50.09 | gonzaloaf | hello, when I try to load hp-systray it says that I have to load dbus support before, how can I check that? |
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| 03:52.19 | Rusty1 | apt-get -s -t testing install fakechroot << tvynr available yes, supported? |
| 03:52.34 | adu | 780... such a nice round number |
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| 03:52.41 | tvynr | Rusty1: From what I can tell, there's no testing fakechroot but there is one in unstable. |
| 03:53.16 | tvynr | Rusty1: The testing one was removed by something named Britney. http://packages.qa.debian.org/f/fakechroot/news/20080531T223918Z.html |
| 03:53.21 | tvynr | Rusty1: I have no idea why. |
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| 03:56.09 | coffee1 | ARF!!!! |
| 03:56.17 | coffee1 | ah shit sorry |
| 03:56.29 | coffee1 | tourettes. |
| 03:57.39 | tvynr | !tell coffee1 about bad taste |
| 03:57.56 | tvynr | :) |
| 03:58.01 | coffee1 | hmmm |
| 03:58.04 | coffee1 | i think its broken |
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| 04:00.58 | epsas_ | 20:53 < OsbyLovesTuna> {{{HUGZ BABY}}} |
| 04:00.58 | epsas_ | 20:53 < koz> i know u know this one |
| 04:01.08 | epsas_ | sorry |
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| 04:04.00 | flowr | how do I replace iceweasel with firefox? |
| 04:04.21 | tvynr | flowr: Iceweasel *is* Firefox. Just... you know... with a different name and icon. |
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| 04:06.08 | coffee1 | you can dial 1 for the operator. |
| 04:06.12 | coffee1 | dial 1 dial 1 dial 1. |
| 04:06.22 | flowr | just what I thought. Though, in windows, there's a feature where typing things in the adressbar gives suggestions from different pages's title. Is the abscense of itjust because it's linux im on? |
| 04:06.39 | coffee1 | linux is for newbs |
| 04:06.43 | coffee1 | iusewindows |
| 04:06.51 | LCdN | flowr: If you really want to replace it, it's not hard to uninstall Iceweasel using apt (synaptic, for example) and get firefox from its website |
| 04:07.04 | Nyle | hey |
| 04:07.07 | Nyle | dude |
| 04:07.07 | flowr | k |
| 04:07.13 | Nyle | shut up |
| 04:07.22 | flowr | me? |
| 04:07.24 | Nyle | no |
| 04:07.41 | flowr | lol, why are you dude'ing people haaahaaa |
| 04:07.45 | Nyle | flowr, you don't want to do that |
| 04:07.51 | Nyle | flowr, firefox is not supported here |
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| 04:08.05 | tvynr | flowr: He was referring to coffee1's feeble attempts to start a flamewar. Oh, and I second the recommendation of keeping Iceweasel. |
| 04:08.13 | tvynr | flowr: Really, it's the same thing. |
| 04:08.23 | Nyle | flowr, iceweasel is exactly the same thing as firefox but with a name/graphic change |
| 04:08.28 | tvynr | flowr: It's just called Iceweasel with a different icon because of trademark concerns. |
| 04:08.33 | flowr | :/.. then what I want is just supported in windows I suppose |
| 04:08.39 | needhelp | isit possible to share ntfs hdd with another debian computer? i can mount the hdd using ntfs-3g.. but when sharing via nfs, the other computer cannot mount it |
| 04:08.41 | Nyle | everything else is pretty much the same thing, read the changelogs and/or stuff inside /usr/share/doc/icewasel |
| 04:08.41 | tvynr | flowr: What do you want? |
| 04:09.01 | LCdN | Well... I removed Iceweasel and installed Firefox instead because I couldn't stand the lame icon and name :) |
| 04:09.04 | flowr | suggestions of visited pages in history when typing their titles in the adressbar |
| 04:09.11 | Nyle | needhelp, it would be better to use samba mabye? |
| 04:09.26 | tvynr | needhelp: The fact that your HD has an NTFS partition should be immaterial. Once it's mounted on its host, it's part of the Linux VFS and should be shareable in the same way as anything else. |
| 04:09.29 | coffee1 | flamewar wtf |
| 04:09.29 | coffee1 | im not geh |
| 04:09.39 | Nyle | needhelp, how are you exporting it, /etc/exports |
| 04:09.46 | Nyle | needhelp, and how are you trying to mount it ? |
| 04:09.46 | coffee1 | you can dial 1 for the operator |
| 04:09.48 | coffee1 | dial 1 dial 1 |
| 04:09.51 | Nyle | coffee1, please stop. |
| 04:09.55 | coffee1 | sorry nyle |
| 04:10.01 | coffee1 | i have tourettes |
| 04:10.05 | coffee1 | i will stop |
| 04:10.08 | Nyle | coffee1, then kindly /part |
| 04:10.10 | needhelp | i export it by specifying /mnt/hd1 node2(rw,async) |
| 04:10.16 | Nyle | coffee1, do you have a debian support related question? |
| 04:10.19 | flowr | computernerds are so mature =), even if they're 30 |
| 04:10.25 | Nyle | needhelp, async? |
| 04:10.26 | needhelp | in my node1, i mount it using ntfs-3g /dev/hda1 /mnt/hd1 |
| 04:10.26 | coffee1 | yes.. how do i get started installing debian on my computer plz |
| 04:10.36 | Nyle | coffee1, /msg dpkg ig |
| 04:10.40 | coffee1 | what is that |
| 04:10.40 | Nyle | coffee1, read the install guide |
| 04:10.44 | coffee1 | you can dial 1 |
| 04:10.46 | coffee1 | where is it |
| 04:10.51 | Nyle | !tell coffee1 -about ig |
| 04:10.53 | needhelp | yes |
| 04:10.55 | Nyle | !tell coffee1 -about d-i |
| 04:11.03 | coffee1 | oh hey look at that.. shabby |
| 04:11.05 | coffee1 | thank you nyle |
| 04:11.09 | flowr | how do I stop the loginmanager? since I want to stop every graphical process so I can install the gfx card |
| 04:11.11 | Nyle | coffee1, you're on thin ice |
| 04:11.16 | coffee1 | can you !tell me about why debian>gentoo? |
| 04:11.19 | Nyle | flowr, /msg dpkg nodm |
| 04:11.24 | Nyle | flowr, follow the directions there |
| 04:11.25 | flowr | k |
| 04:11.40 | needhelp | it just gives a permission denied.. if node1 i share it by specifying /mnt node2(rw,async) , and node2 mount node1:/mnt .. it works |
| 04:11.56 | coffee1 | or slackware perhaps? |
| 04:12.03 | needhelp | but the thing is, in node2, i go into /mnt/node1/hd1 , its empty |
| 04:12.03 | Nyle | !tell coffee1 -about why debian |
| 04:12.11 | flowr | coffee1: gentoo is pretty optimized and more powerfull also in maintainance |
| 04:12.12 | coffee1 | ty |
| 04:12.16 | needhelp | but in node1, i go into /mnt/hd1 , there are files |
| 04:12.22 | Nyle | flowr, don't feel the troll |
| 04:12.24 | coffee1 | dial 1. |
| 04:12.39 | coffee1 | smacks himself |
| 04:12.41 | Nyle | flowr, keep it on topic. gentoo is not up for discussion here and is offtopic, as is comparison to other distros |
| 04:12.50 | needhelp | in a nutshell, is it possible to share ntfs via nfs? |
| 04:12.56 | Nyle | needhelp, yes |
| 04:12.59 | newsense | im running exim to send mail locally and sending remotely using a smarthost, in order to send mail through my smarthost i have to use an /etc/email-address allias to send outgoing mail, only problem is any user i set in /etc/email-addresses and add an external address for , when they send mail locally it shows it as coming from remote email address, not local |
| 04:13.01 | flowr | k |
| 04:13.04 | Nyle | needhelp, you're screwing up somewhere in exporting and mounting |
| 04:13.08 | coffee1 | Nyle last question (promise).. should i get taco bell, steaknshake, or mcdonald's tonight |
| 04:13.11 | coffee1 | before my debain install |
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| 04:13.20 | Nyle | coffee1, you should eat homecooked food. |
| 04:13.24 | coffee1 | i cant cook |
| 04:13.27 | coffee1 | and im at the office |
| 04:13.27 | Nyle | its healthier. |
| 04:13.40 | coffee1 | i have no problem with being a fatass. |
| 04:13.57 | newsense | eats homecooked |
| 04:13.58 | needhelp | Nyle: if i export one sub-directory lower, i can mount it with node2..but cannot see any files although its mounted |
| 04:14.06 | coffee1 | if i could, i would.. but i dont have that option tonight |
| 04:14.10 | needhelp | if i export the exact directory, it gives permission denied |
| 04:14.23 | Nyle | coffee1, /msg dpkg guidelines |
| 04:14.40 | coffee1 | ok well im off |
| 04:14.45 | coffee1 | thanks for j00r help |
| 04:14.59 | gonzaloaf | hi, how can I know if my system has dbus support ? |
| 04:15.07 | gonzaloaf | and if it is enabled? |
| 04:15.10 | Nyle | needhelp, it should matter which fs you have mounted. if you can mount it, you can share it |
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| 04:16.17 | Nyle | gonzaloaf, /etc/init.d/dbus <tab><tab> |
| 04:16.26 | flowr | when I use the logout button i gnome.. nothing happends besides that the "logout" dialog window freezes. Does anyone have a clue? |
| 04:16.27 | Nyle | needhelp, it shoudln't* |
| 04:16.36 | Nyle | flowr, etch? |
| 04:16.40 | flowr | leny |
| 04:16.44 | Nyle | flowr, check the bts |
| 04:16.47 | needhelp | i have a raid array5 in node1, i can share it if i export the exact directory.. but this ntfs just gives permission denied.. i thought there are some options in exports i'm missing out to share ntfs over nfs |
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| 04:17.22 | Nyle | check the permissions of the mount point in client |
| 04:17.33 | yaaar | shoot. i'm on a bunk wifi connection at the gf's |
| 04:17.38 | Nyle | maybe where you're trying to mount the nfs export, its not permitted |
| 04:17.39 | Nyle | ? |
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| 04:18.09 | needhelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:18.15 | flowr | hmm.. sorry nyle, I was logged out suddenly. Bts? |
| 04:18.22 | Nyle | !tell flowr -about bts |
| 04:18.37 | needhelp | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:18.41 | gonzaloaf | Nyle, Starting System Tools Backends: system-tools-backendsinvoke-rc.d: initscript system-tools-backends, action "start" failed. |
| 04:18.48 | gonzaloaf | I did a 'dbus restart' |
| 04:18.51 | DawnLight | whenever i plug my sandisk usb storgae into a windows xp machine, it fetches stuff from the internet and puts it in my device! how irritating is that! |
| 04:19.02 | Nyle | DawnLight, why? |
| 04:19.04 | needhelp | node2 mount, permission denied. ah nevermind i give up lol |
| 04:19.09 | Nyle | DawnLight, infection? |
| 04:19.22 | Nyle | !dbus |
| 04:19.23 | dpkg | rumour has it, dbus is D-BUS, or http://www.freedesktop.org/software/dbus/ or #dbus |
| 04:19.25 | DawnLight | Nyle: it is called U3 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U3 |
| 04:19.26 | Nyle | hm |
| 04:19.37 | Nyle | DawnLight, oh that encrypted bullshit crap |
| 04:19.38 | Nyle | ugh. |
| 04:19.40 | Nyle | !u3 |
| 04:19.40 | dpkg | methinks u3 is a company producing a proprietary method of auto-launching applications from specially formatted USB flash drive. "U3 smart drives" differ from traditional USB flash drives because they come preinstalled with the U3 Launchpad, which looks similar to the Windows OS start menu and controls program installation. The method only works with recent Microsoft Windows systems.. These devices also appear as cdrom drives, and use a ISO FS in ... |
| 04:19.44 | yaaar | here's my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/m6334a37f |
| 04:20.17 | DawnLight | i hate that |
| 04:20.19 | Nyle | yaaar, and the problem is? |
| 04:21.10 | yaaar | nyle, did you see the two long lines i posted at 23:12:31 ? |
| 04:21.17 | Nyle | no |
| 04:21.27 | yaaar | i've got a weird problem. i have a debian stable (etch) box doing some really simple routing: it's the gateway for a public /27 network, and it routes everything out on another interface setup on a /30 network to my isp. the hosts behind it in the /27 work fine. the router can ping (dns resolves fine) but i can't do anything else, like say 'lynx http://www.google.com' or 'apt-get update' |
| 04:21.30 | yaaar | the interface setup was very straightforward, just a couple statics, one gateway, and uncommenting the ipv4 forward line in /etc/sysctl.conf ...i can't figure out what's wrong. any ideas? |
| 04:21.45 | yaaar | my routing table: http://pastebin.com/m600526ec |
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| 04:22.04 | gonzaloaf | can somebody tell me why is my dbus starting failing? http://pastebin.ca/1088035 |
| 04:22.12 | yaaar | my /etc/network/interfaces file: http://pastebin.com/m6334a37f |
| 04:22.36 | Tramp | yaaar: If things "by IP" work and "by name" they fail, it's most likely a problem with name resolution. What's in your /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 04:23.01 | Tramp | yaaar: your provider should have given you nameservers to put in there. |
| 04:23.15 | yaaar | Tramp: that's not what i said. i said pinging works both by ip and name. but nothing else works by either |
| 04:23.44 | yaaar | Tramp: my resolv.conf file is fine, and the same as the hosts behind the router which work fine |
| 04:24.03 | Tramp | yaaar: ah, ok. Sorry - I read too fast 8) |
| 04:24.39 | Tramp | yaaar: so from behind the gateway everything works, from the gateway ping works but no higher leverl protocols? |
| 04:25.03 | yaaar | yes |
| 04:25.15 | yaaar | although i just now did something strange... |
| 04:25.21 | Tramp | yaaar: firewall (iptables) issue maybe. |
| 04:25.59 | yaaar | apparently i can "do stuff" if it's hitting servers behind the router (eg on the /27) ...even if i have to use dns (from outside the net) to get their ips. |
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| 04:27.28 | yaaar | that is, i can ping www.google.com but i can't 'lynx http://www.google.com' ...and yet i *can* 'lynx http://host3.mynetwork.com' ...even though the dns servers for the router are outside |
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| 04:28.38 | Tramp | yaaar: well. So check your iptables settings. |
| 04:28.54 | yaaar | Tramp: oh, sorry, missed your comment. there is no firewall running |
| 04:29.08 | yaaar | er...well, i don't think so anyway, unless it's on by default? |
| 04:29.18 | newsense | no |
| 04:30.09 | Tramp | yaaar: iptables -nvL OUTPUT <--- does this just show 2 lines, the first saying in it "policy ACCEPT"? |
| 04:31.10 | yaaar | Tramp: well, 3 lines (INPUT FORWARD OUTPUT) but yes, all say policy ACCEPT |
| 04:31.27 | yaaar | Tramp: i turned forwarding on in sysctl.conf |
| 04:31.31 | wols_ | yaaar: you use NAT? |
| 04:31.35 | yaaar | wols_: no |
| 04:31.44 | yaaar | wols_: i'm routing a public /27 subnet |
| 04:31.50 | Tramp | yaaar: do you have netcat (or nc) installed? |
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| 04:32.01 | yaaar | yes |
| 04:32.17 | Tramp | yaaar: echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | netcat www.google.com 80 |
| 04:32.24 | Tramp | yaaar: what happens, when you try this? |
| 04:33.05 | yaaar | Tramp: Cmd line: invalid port / |
| 04:34.06 | yaaar | doh! |
| 04:34.20 | yaaar | sorry, missed the wraparound |
| 04:34.22 | Tramp | yaaar: ?? |
| 04:34.55 | yaaar | irc is in a small window, so the last part of your command word-wrapped, and i only input the partial |
| 04:35.19 | yaaar | Tramp: but now that i run the full command, it's just sitting there with a blank line... |
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| 04:35.32 | greeg | hi |
| 04:35.40 | yaaar | presumably at some point it'll timeout. which is what happens with other stuff |
| 04:35.47 | yaaar | hi greeg |
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| 04:37.19 | Tramp | yaaar: ok. Ctrl-C it. In a different window do "tcpdump -veni eth0 tcp port 80 or icmp". Then try the echo ... again and pastebin the output of the tcpdump |
| 04:37.26 | greeg | im configuring xorg via dpkg-reconfigure. is bus identifier synonymous with the PCI slot ? how can i find out which one it is. the notation is the numbers delimited by : |
| 04:37.38 | greeg | got a new vid card |
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| 04:39.25 | sebas- | hi, my server is on 'stable' configuration. can i somehow upgrade one package to testing? |
| 04:39.27 | yaaar | Tramp: uh-oh...no tcpdump installed. can't run apt-get to install it.... |
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| 04:40.16 | RockerMONO | how can i get libstdc++.so.5? |
| 04:41.18 | Tramp | yaaar: bad. What IP do you get for www.google.com (host www.google.com) |
| 04:41.50 | RockerMONO | hm... |
| 04:42.13 | RockerMONO | this is odd, i have software (hv3) that wants libstdc++.so.5.... the .5 is version? |
| 04:43.05 | yaaar | 64.233.167.99 |
| 04:43.12 | yaaar | Tramp ^^ |
| 04:43.30 | greeg | whats the modern way of --> XFree86 -scanpci |
| 04:44.09 | Tramp | yaaar: and, just to make it clear, from a host inside your net you can (through this gateway) access www.google.com |
| 04:44.17 | yaaar | Tramp: correct |
| 04:44.34 | yaaar | Tramp: also, i can reverse-lookup that ip from the router and get the correct py-in-f99.google.com |
| 04:45.48 | yaaar | and from the router, i cannot successfully do 'lynx http://64.233.167.99' |
| 04:46.10 | greeg | or the xorg way |
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| 04:46.21 | sebas- | so it's not possible to install just one package from 'testing' and keep the rest at 'stable'? |
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| 04:46.35 | yaaar | hmm...is there any way to specify which interface and ip a process (lynx, say) "lives" on, or originates from? |
| 04:47.14 | yaaar | i'm just thinking (however unlikely it seems) that perhaps the isp doesn't accept tcp directly from their /30 tunnels? only from the nets under them? |
| 04:47.31 | yaaar | would that make any sense? |
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| 04:49.06 | Tramp | yaaar: this is not likely, since (1) icmp (ping) worked and (2) the router-subnet has a public IP. - not impossible though |
| 04:50.25 | yaaar | Tramp: yeah, and doesn't dns need udp to work as well? it would only be tcp that was being dropped, and i can't really figure any reason for that |
| 04:50.25 | yaaar | hmmm |
| 04:50.53 | Heavy-D | as far as I was concerned DNS queries are done on UDP 53 I think |
| 04:50.58 | Tramp | yaaar: however, try the echo ... with the additional parameter "-s 76.77.142.130" to netcat |
| 04:51.38 | Tramp | Heavy-D: yes, that's what he implied (UDP/ICMP work fine, TCP does not, apparently) |
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| 04:52.09 | Heavy-D | oh yeah, sorry I was just asking about DNS because I wasn't sure |
| 04:52.12 | Heavy-D | my mistake |
| 04:52.30 | yaaar | Tramp: so, like 'echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | netcat www.google.com 80 -s 76.77.142.130' ?? or like 'echo -e "GET / HTTP/1.0\n\n" | netcat -s 76.77.142.130 www.google.com 80 |
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| 04:53.03 | Tramp | yaaar: the second (but I actually meant -s 76.77.139.193, i.e. the IP of your eth1) |
| 04:53.10 | yaaar | oh, right |
| 04:53.36 | yaaar | holy moly |
| 04:53.40 | yaaar | that works |
| 04:54.03 | yaaar | yeah, gave me a whole mess of stuff |
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| 04:55.13 | Tramp | yaaar: so this is indeed weird. TCP (or at least port 80) outgoing from your external IP seems to get blocked/not routed |
| 04:55.51 | yaaar | Tramp: well, i guess...or something that looks a lot like it |
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| 04:56.19 | Tramp | yaaar: In any way, your setup seems to be fine. You may want to clarify this issue with your ISP. |
| 04:56.27 | yaaar | Tramp: i should note that incoming it's fine...that is, i can go to web pages served from this router on the external ip |
| 04:56.46 | yaaar | Tramp: ok, i'll inquire with them before messing with this any more. |
| 04:57.11 | yaaar | on one hand, it's kind of nice to think that i had it right in the first place.... |
| 04:57.27 | yaaar | but on the other hand it's annoying not to have anything to fix and make it work right |
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| 04:58.21 | Tramp | yaaar: well, stuff like this should be really documented by the provider. I'd prefer it anyways, if the routing-subnet was private. |
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| 04:58.59 | yaaar | Tramp: yeah...these guys run an incredibly solid network, but communication is not their strong point |
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| 04:59.41 | Tramp | yaaar: btw, I can only connect to your server on the internal IP, not on the external |
| 04:59.55 | yaaar | Tramp: is there a way to tell my box to originate all my outgoing connections from the internal ip? |
| 05:00.07 | yaaar | Tramp: really? |
| 05:00.23 | Tramp | yaaar: no, I'm a pathological liar. |
| 05:00.34 | greeg | why does dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ask for a PCI Bus Identifier in the for of hex:hex:hex when nothing under lspci is of that format ? |
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| 05:00.43 | yaaar | Tramp: hehe. sorry... |
| 05:01.18 | yaaar | hmm...that's odd...i was sure i had tested that earlier... |
| 05:01.26 | greeg | oh i suppose it does with -D |
| 05:01.28 | Tramp | yaaar: if it is a security-measure, it would not make sense to allow incoming but to deny outgoing |
| 05:01.44 | greeg | correct? |
| 05:01.47 | yaaar | Tramp: right... |
| 05:01.58 | yaaar | Tramp: i must be confused and hadn't tested what i thought |
| 05:02.10 | Tramp | yaaar: and, concerning your other question - no, you can't (afaik) |
| 05:02.17 | yaaar | darn |
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| 05:03.30 | Tramp | yaaar: imho, it is not a good idea to run services at all on this gateway - you remember may rant yesterday about hardening it |
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| 05:04.33 | yaaar | well, yeah. |
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| 05:06.30 | yaaar | Tramp: i'm not running much though...just a lamp stack |
| 05:06.59 | yaaar | and i'd rather not bring another box over...haven't got one for starters, and more space+power = $ |
| 05:07.17 | Tramp | yaaar: that's quite some application. Most exploits are done on application level - but ok, this is a different and wide field. |
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| 05:08.48 | yaaar | well, i'll think about putting together a dedicated gateway some. if i had known before two days ago that they wanted me to route for myself (we had previously talked like it would just be them routing ips to me) i probably would have done it originally |
| 05:09.02 | yaaar | but for the short term this will have to do |
| 05:09.25 | Decepticon_ | hmm ... when i do 'sudo mount /dev/sda2/home/decepticon/emergency/ -t ntfs -r' /home/decepticon/emergency changes from 755 to 500, and sudo chmod 555 gives 'chmod: changing permissions of `/home/decepticon/emergency/': Read-only file system' and it remains 500 |
| 05:09.36 | Decepticon_ | this is a ntfs volume |
| 05:09.37 | Tramp | yaaar: well, that's exactly what they are doing: "routing your /27 to you" |
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| 05:10.10 | flowr | do I need a swap to be able to go into suspend mode? |
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| 05:10.16 | Decepticon_ | cd /home/decepticon/emergency/: Permission denied |
| 05:10.20 | Tramp | yaaar: and then you can route them wherever you want 8) |
| 05:10.38 | yaaar | Tramp: well, in other words i had not intended to be routing a subnet myself. which is to say i expected to just have a couple of servers attached to the switch...so when this got sprung on me i just added a purpose to one of the preexisting servers |
| 05:11.19 | Tramp | yaaar: ah, ok. I see where the misunderstanding was. |
| 05:11.31 | yaaar | this will be better in the long run |
| 05:11.49 | yaaar | but you're right, i should get into a single-purpose gateway when i'm able |
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| 05:13.04 | jodoworsky | i have some web servers that keep getting flooded with traffic by bad people. what's a package that will let me notice DDOS traffic? |
| 05:13.22 | Tramp | yaaar: not sure, how to solve this problem with the outgoing connections though. You could try to SNAT your external IP to you internal one. Not sure about the side-effects though. |
| 05:14.36 | Decepticon_ | mkdir public_html/test |
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| 05:27.18 | Nyle | huh |
| 05:27.20 | Nyle | why |
| 05:27.27 | Nyle | whats the matter with you |
| 05:27.38 | tvynr | ? |
| 05:27.48 | Nyle | 1 |
| 05:28.07 | nareshov | 0 |
| 05:28.38 | tvynr | Can I ask someone here to run something for me as a sort of sanity test? I'm trying to fakechroot debootstrap an i386 root onto an AMD64 system. |
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| 05:32.19 | kenjy_01 | guys can you help me? I can't install mysql because it drop a socket error, Im doing apt-get install mysql-server-5.0 and it start the instalation but it stops, I atached the output of syslog too ... http://rafb.net/p/aZ3Pdc17.html please help me |
| 05:32.37 | kenjy_01 | please |
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| 05:34.11 | tvynr | kenjy_01: Does the file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock exist? I'm guessing no. |
| 05:34.46 | kenjy_01 | tvynr: no, it don't exist |
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| 05:36.25 | tvynr | Can you paste the last hundred or so lines from /var/log/dpkg.log? |
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| 05:37.11 | kenjy_01 | tvynr: yea wait a while ... |
| 05:37.59 | kenjy_01 | tvynr: http://rafb.net/p/lj89JX90.html |
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| 05:39.40 | Sashi | crap lol |
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| 05:40.04 | Sashi | a question.. i install lighttpd then removed it, then removed /etc/lighttpd.. when i reinstall it it doesnt reinstall /etc/lighttpd |
| 05:40.08 | Sashi | how do you fix this |
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| 05:41.14 | tvynr | kenjy_01: We need to figure out why the postinst script for mysql-server-5.0 failed. Not sure how to do that short of running the script directly, which is in /var/lib/dpkg/info/mysql-server-*postinst* |
| 05:41.25 | et | Sashi: purge it, then reinstall |
| 05:41.26 | tvynr | kenjy_01: But you have to pass some params to it and I don't remember what they are. :( |
| 05:41.37 | Sashi | yea just found it on google :P |
| 05:41.44 | kenjy_01 | tvynr :( tnks |
| 05:41.46 | hid3__ | Morning everyone. Our company's mailserver is running sendmail and I have limited access shell login there. I'd like to forward all my incomming mail to another mailbox on another server. What should I change? (I guess this is something with .forward file or something like that but I'm not sure) |
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| 05:42.19 | the-dude | hid3__: use .forward in your homedirectory |
| 05:42.38 | hid3__ | the-dude: what should I put there in that file? Just another email address? |
| 05:43.11 | s4r7r3 | want to buy a vga, and I have to choose between a "GForce 8600gt" or an "ati 2600xt", what I recommend? |
| 05:43.36 | s4r7r3 | for a good performance in linux |
| 05:43.52 | tvynr | s4r7r3: I recommend going with the GeForce. nVidia, in my experience, still has better support for Linux than does ATI. ATI may catch up someday, but I don't think they're there yet. |
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| 05:45.24 | s4r7r3 | thanks |
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| 05:48.35 | simonrvn | hid3__: yes ("Just another email address?") |
| 05:48.43 | simonrvn | man forward |
| 05:49.06 | the-dude | hid3__: a emailadres should be just fine |
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| 06:00.20 | Dacs | i wwant to completely remove apache, php and mysql from my box ? how can i do that? |
| 06:04.10 | Maakuth | completely, as in throw away the configuration also? |
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| 06:05.28 | the-dude | Dacs: apt-get remove --purge $packagename |
| 06:05.35 | Dacs | Maakuth: yes' |
| 06:05.50 | Dacs | thats it i always forget --purge |
| 06:06.01 | Maakuth | yeah.. aptitude purge does the same thing |
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| 06:07.32 | jezez | anyone know how to tell fluxbox in debian to turn off monitor after like 15 mins of inactivity |
| 06:08.10 | abbe | jezez: thats the job of xscreensaver |
| 06:08.26 | jezez | how do i configure it? does it come installed? |
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| 06:09.45 | abbe | jezez: you need to install it, execute 'xscreensaver-command -prefs' to customize xscreensaver |
| 06:10.02 | abbe | jezez: package you need to install is, 'xscreensaver' |
| 06:10.34 | abbe | jezez: asking on #fluxbox might help |
| 06:11.19 | cydork | juhi4me23 |
| 06:11.31 | abbe | jezez: also try executing 'xset' on a terminal, it also offers screensaver control |
| 06:11.38 | cydork | bangs my head on keyboard.. |
| 06:12.34 | Humanoid | If I have a list of files, and I want to replace all occurrences of "stringA" with "stringB" using the command line, what is the most popular way to do this? |
| 06:13.11 | Dacs | !db update |
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| 06:13.49 | abbe | Humanoid: sed |
| 06:14.04 | Humanoid | abbe: Okay, thanks. |
| 06:14.22 | abbe | welcome Humanoid |
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| 06:32.53 | |inuxmath | ÇÏÓÐÏÄÁ, ÏÆÆÔÏÐ-×ÏÐÒÏÓ: ÐÙÔÁÀÓØ ÚÁÒÅÇÁÔØÓÑ ÎÁ ÍÁÊÓÐÜÊÓ -- ÕÐÏÒÎÏ ÇÏ×ÏÒÉÔ, "ÐÏ ÎÁÛÅÊ ÉÎÆÏÒÍÁÃÉÉ ×Ù ÎÅ ÍÏÖÅÔÅ ÓÄÅÌÁÔØ ÜÔÏ" |
| 06:33.15 | |inuxmath | ÐÒÏÂÏ×ÁÌ ÕËÁÚÙ×ÁÔØ ÒÁÚÎÙÅ ÑÝÉËÉ, ÒÁÚÎÙÅ ÓÔÒÁÎÙ É Ô.Ä. üÔÏ ÉÚ-ÚÁ ip? |
| 06:33.38 | Yarou | . |
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| 06:34.50 | xsdg | |inuxmath: please use either ASCII or UTF-8 |
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| 06:35.24 | yaaar | hey guys. when i add virtual interfaces in /etc/network/interfaces do i need to have a line like 'auto eth0:1' for each one? or is it enough to have the 'auto eth0' line for the main iface? |
| 06:35.29 | |inuxmath | xsdg, I know, I am deeply sorry, just a wrong channel, it was for #debian-russian |
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| 06:36.01 | xsdg | |inuxmath: aah, np |
| 06:36.34 | xsdg | yaaar: I think you need 'auto eth0:1' also, so it'll actually configure them |
| 06:36.35 | yaaar | also, when i do '/etc/init.d/networking restart remotely, do i need to do anything special, like nohup or screens or anything? |
| 06:36.45 | xsdg | yaaar: I'd do it in a screen, yeah |
| 06:36.46 | yaaar | xsdg: thanks |
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| 06:40.38 | Dacs | the-dude: i did apt-get remove --purge pakage , but the pkg is still there? |
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| 06:43.21 | the-dude | Dacs: which one ? |
| 06:43.55 | Dacs | the-dude: apache |
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| 06:45.22 | xsdg | Dacs: don't forget apache2.2-common |
| 06:45.24 | the-dude | apt-get remove --purge $(dpkg --get-selections|grep apache|cut -f1) |
| 06:45.52 | jezez | how do you search available debian packages |
| 06:46.02 | jezez | with command line that is |
| 06:46.02 | xsdg | jezez: apt-cache search (keywords) |
| 06:46.04 | Dacs | what is that mean? |
| 06:46.07 | jezez | thank |
| 06:46.18 | xsdg | Dacs: you likely still have the apache2.2-common package installed |
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| 06:47.13 | Dacs | apt-get remove --purge $(dpkg --get-selections|grep apache|cut -f1) <-- that @xsdg |
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| 06:47.55 | the-dude | it searches in a list of installed apache packages and remove them |
| 06:47.59 | xsdg | Dacs: $(...) is (mostly) equivalent to `...` |
| 06:48.16 | xsdg | Dacs: so run the stuff inside the parens on the commandline and see what it outputs |
| 06:48.45 | the-dude | just run dpkg --get-selections|grep apache|cut -f1 |
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| 06:49.35 | Dacs | yeah i get a bunch |
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| 06:50.41 | ProN00b | how do i change timezone ? |
| 06:51.11 | ProN00b | (debian manual said tzconfig, but that doesn't seem to be aviable) |
| 06:51.32 | the-dude | tzselect ? |
| 06:51.47 | ProN00b | yes, thanks |
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| 06:53.39 | ProN00b | hmm, it doesn't seem to have ireland/belfast, just ireland/dublin |
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| 06:55.32 | jgr | Hi. Does anyone use vserver on Debian? |
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| 06:56.21 | ProN00b | the-dude, is it normal that date still shows the same after changing timezone ? |
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| 06:56.59 | enouf | !set the time |
| 06:56.59 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 07:01.12 | lymeca | So I take it KDE 4 won't make it into sid until after lenny's release? |
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| 07:02.33 | phoix | can anyone see what i am not doing by this line when i try and run |
| 07:02.34 | phoix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.34 | phoix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.44 | phoix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:02.57 | phoix | this is with scratchbox 1.0 |
| 07:04.08 | phoix | is sorry about the paste he just did |
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| 07:05.43 | ProN00b | phoix, you do not have an crosscompiler for target arm-linux-uclibc setup ? |
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| 07:12.10 | phoix | no but i do have arm-linux-??? |
| 07:12.29 | phoix | which file do i have to change , as in where is the prefix stored.. |
| 07:13.51 | Dacs | is there a pkg that include apache2+php5+mysql |
| 07:14.08 | Dacs | or just install each on its own |
| 07:15.13 | the-dude | seperata packages |
| 07:15.40 | et | there is no reason for them being in one package |
| 07:16.33 | ProN00b | can i do some manual force update with ntp ? |
| 07:16.55 | et | ntpdate |
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| 07:20.12 | ProN00b | thanks, et, but default serverlist seems broken for lenny |
| 07:21.30 | Dashiva | ProN00b, you can use 'testing' instead of lenny, that should fix some stuff |
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| 07:21.43 | ProN00b | testing is sid ? |
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| 07:24.53 | the-dude | nopes |
| 07:24.57 | the-dude | sid is unstable |
| 07:25.07 | the-dude | testing is lenny |
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| 07:27.57 | r0ny | hi,am new to debian..i downloaded debian sarge(dont ask me why) and installed it..my question is how can i install additional package(offline installation)..i got 2 dvds of installation disk |
| 07:28.12 | enouf | does the Hide join/part messages setting again .. sigh |
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| 07:28.46 | enouf | !tell r0ny about apt-cdrom |
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| 07:29.09 | enouf | upgrade to Etch though |
| 07:29.22 | enouf | whoa .. 2.05 lag .. sheesh |
| 07:29.33 | enouf | someone's getting pounded .. |
| 07:29.42 | Knight_Lord | What's the easiest way for a user to encrypt a single file? |
| 07:29.53 | r0ny | apt_cdrom? |
| 07:29.54 | enouf | gpg? |
| 07:30.16 | enouf | r0ny: did you get dpkg's message in PM ? |
| 07:30.32 | r0ny | yeah ;) |
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| 07:30.46 | enouf | man apt-cdrom and/or install it |
| 07:31.17 | enouf | r0ny: do you have no internet on that box? |
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| 07:32.47 | Knight_Lord | enouf thanks :) |
| 07:32.51 | r0ny | enouf: the issue is i need to simulate a client's environment,so am afraid that if i use apt-get it would upgrade to the latest package |
| 07:33.34 | enouf | r0ny: well, ok, are you sure they never did? :-P |
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| 07:35.34 | r0ny | enouf: good question |
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| 07:36.37 | enouf | r0ny: /msg dpkg reinstall ..obtain a list of installed pkgs and versions from you client |
| 07:36.55 | enouf | !tell r0ny -about grounding |
| 07:37.02 | enouf | !tell r0ny -about selftell |
| 07:37.23 | r0ny | enouf: /win 22 |
| 07:37.26 | r0ny | ouch |
| 07:37.33 | enouf | !pal r0ny |
| 07:37.34 | dpkg | points at r0ny and laughs uproariously |
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| 07:38.16 | r0ny | okay lol..so sees like am gonna do trolling here for a few days |
| 07:38.25 | r0ny | *seems |
| 07:38.27 | r0ny | bbl |
| 07:38.58 | enouf | you troll - we spank ;-) |
| 07:39.55 | enouf | you want help? ask concisely with errors and commands used and answer the questions asked directly |
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| 07:41.59 | streuner | Is there a tool similar to urlsnarf, but alter ports? |
| 07:42.26 | streuner | s/alter ports/able to alter ports/ |
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| 07:43.13 | ProN00b | streuner, well, this is open sauce, i am sure you can figure how to change numbers in sauce |
| 07:44.19 | joltcan | streuner: Actually, its not that straigt forward to just change the ports as the endpoints will be very confused. Couldn't you just create a iptables rule that matches on destination IP/port and use rewrite to change the port when the connection is initiated? |
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| 08:10.18 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 08:10.30 | Haris1 | what file contains eth device to MAC address mappings? |
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| 08:13.09 | xsdg | Haris1: it's a file that's stored on your NIC... |
| 08:13.28 | xsdg | Haris1: or are you talking about DHCP or something? |
| 08:15.00 | enouf | streuner: never heard of urlsnarf, but i can infer what it does by it's name :-P |
| 08:15.10 | Haris1 | xsdg: Nope, its none of those two cases |
| 08:15.25 | Haris1 | I don't remember the file name/path |
| 08:15.33 | Haris1 | I'v been told about it two times in the past |
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| 08:16.27 | xsdg | Haris1: there's no general file |
| 08:16.36 | xsdg | Haris1: there's the arp cache, which is in the kernel's memory |
| 08:16.45 | quasisane | !z25 |
| 08:16.46 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
| 08:16.56 | quasisane | is that what you mean? |
| 08:16.56 | Haris1 | that's it! |
| 08:16.58 | Haris1 | z25 |
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| 08:17.02 | xsdg | aah |
| 08:17.06 | quasisane | :) |
| 08:17.15 | morbyte | hi. is there a (gui) tool which shows the dpkg.log / apt/term.log in a calender-like manner? |
| 08:17.20 | enouf | streuner: maybe poke around the site: i listed in the search, and it seems it's down or soemthing temp, so hit the google cache http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=urlsnarf+site%3Awiretapped.net&btnG=Search |
| 08:18.07 | needhelp | i was setting up ntp server.. it worked, the other clients are able to update their time through the ntp server..however at the server, it doesn't update the time according to the servers i set.. i must manually run ntpdate outsideserver.net ..isn't ntp able to sync time? |
| 08:18.16 | enouf | hrm, dsniff ? |
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| 08:18.34 | Haris1 | needhelp: you can run ntpdate via crontab to automate it |
| 08:18.45 | Haris1 | would that do? |
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| 08:19.27 | needhelp | that would do..but i thought ntp server itself can sync time to the external time servers i set in /etc/ntp.conf |
| 08:19.46 | enouf | crap, that's some old stuff there |
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| 08:24.14 | ahdhakjd | How do you disable Network Manager gayness in Lenny? It keeps removing my default gateway after booting... |
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| 08:25.26 | harpal | Whats locale? why its used? |
| 08:25.49 | Haris1 | IS /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules file generated on every bootup? |
| 08:26.03 | harpal | Haris1: no |
| 08:26.15 | Haris1 | crap! |
| 08:26.20 | Haris1 | how do I have it re-generated |
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| 08:26.47 | harpal | Haris1: If you remove that file then next time you boot your system it will regenerate it |
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| 08:27.28 | harpal | So you have to remove that file at shutdown, and it will regenerate it on next boot |
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| 08:28.55 | ahdhakjd | harpal: Edit z45_persistent-net-generator.rules |
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| 08:29.24 | gnumm | is there any rolling release distribution i can use for a home desktop(should not break often and be stable) ? |
| 08:29.54 | harpal | ahdhakjd: ok, That is for Haris1. He want that |
| 08:30.06 | ahdhakjd | ah |
| 08:30.07 | ahdhakjd | soryr |
| 08:30.14 | ahdhakjd | I can't read to day, going to sleep :) |
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| 08:31.11 | jelly-home | gnumm: no. You could use stable+backports.org, or testing, but there's no guarantee of stability for the latter |
| 08:31.40 | cydork | streuner: i remember urlsnarf takes options something like urlsnarf tcp port 8080 |
| 08:33.06 | gnumm | jelly-home: what do you mean exactly with "stability"? |
| 08:33.34 | streuner | cydork: urlsnarf . port <port> |
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| 08:34.07 | streuner | cydork: but on which port you get the stream for flash? |
| 08:34.56 | cydork | streuner: flash?? nfc |
| 08:35.08 | Haris1 | harpal: I see |
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| 08:38.02 | freezer | hi |
| 08:38.20 | streuner | !wb freezer |
| 08:38.20 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! freezer has returned! |
| 08:38.35 | freezer | can i set the console frambuffer-res to 1024x603? (eeepc) |
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| 08:39.05 | phoix | i found a fix for why i couldnt cross compile with scratchbox: http://inz.fi/blog/2008/01/17/scratchbox-on-hardy/ ; vm.mmap_min_addr is set to high in hardy it must be set to a value below 4096 |
| 08:39.11 | gnumm | when upgrades are available in debian testing, are they displayed autom. or do i have to runmanually apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 08:39.19 | freezer | or does it only support vga modes? |
| 08:40.05 | freezer | and i got freakin debian running on the 1000H! |
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| 08:40.41 | freezer | runs very smooth |
| 08:40.50 | cydork | freezer: i am thinking of buying one.. :) |
| 08:40.53 | freezer | xp was fucking around and svchost.exe created 100% cpu load |
| 08:41.06 | freezer | but debian so far, really good |
| 08:41.25 | freezer | dist-upgrade from etch to sid very fast |
| 08:41.56 | freezer | cydork: ya it looks quite nice, though i could get a thinkpad x60/61 for about the same money |
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| 08:42.04 | Haris1 | it didn't re-generate the file after reboot |
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| 08:42.58 | freezer | could i use some intel-fb module and then run non-vesa res? |
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| 08:44.18 | Haris1 | Why doesn't etch re-generate the file: /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules on reboot |
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| 08:47.29 | harpal | Haris1: Hey you can modify z45_persistent-net-generator.rules file to regenerate that file every time |
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| 08:49.35 | harpal | Haris1: it must regenerate that files |
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| 08:49.59 | harpal | I have tried that and it has regenerated file |
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| 08:55.09 | enouf | streuner: you can't use something like youtube-dl and sniff it? |
| 08:56.14 | streuner | no, i *need* the URL in order to use a regular videoplayer |
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| 08:56.32 | freezer | how to generate a new xorg.conf? |
| 08:56.36 | enouf | streuner: well, i use mplayer for youtube crap |
| 08:56.45 | streuner | if i would have the URL it would be easy then |
| 08:56.51 | enouf | streuner: but it's FLV not swf |
| 08:56.52 | nareshov | freezer: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (-phigh) |
| 08:56.56 | streuner | !drxx freezer |
| 08:56.56 | dpkg | freezer: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 08:56.56 | freezer | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg didnt configured it fully |
| 08:56.59 | Haris1 | harpal: Well, I don't know what to change in that file |
| 08:57.10 | enouf | streuner: give me an example, i'll get you the URL ;-) |
| 08:57.15 | Haris1 | harpal: But in my 5-6 times of reboot in the past few minutes, it hasn't done that |
| 08:57.36 | freezer | nareshov: what does -phigh do |
| 08:57.45 | harpal | Haris1: what you can do it just remove z25 and z45 file and then reboot your system |
| 08:57.46 | streuner | !listvals phigh |
| 08:57.48 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'phigh' by value returned no results. |
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| 08:58.22 | enouf | Haris1: which versions of udev? dpkg -l udev | tail -n 1 |
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| 08:59.51 | Haris1 | enouf: 0.105-4 |
| 08:59.57 | freezer | it just exits after keyb layouy |
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| 09:00.01 | Haris1 | this is etch r3 |
| 09:00.09 | freezer | it never comes to video hardware |
| 09:00.33 | enouf | Haris1: yeah, older ok -- hrm .. /etc/udev/persistent-net-generator.rules |
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| 09:00.42 | freezer | can someone give me a link to a default xorg.conf? |
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| 09:01.39 | enouf | Haris1: you might want to run /lib/udev/write_net_rules or something - the z25 file should remain across reboots as well as it's info |
| 09:02.13 | enouf | Haris1: show us the content of it - and whatever other funky crap you've been doing ;-) |
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| 09:06.17 | ma3x | how do i make grub detect non-linux os and add it to menu.lst? |
| 09:08.28 | enouf | ma3x: man update-grub ? |
| 09:08.47 | enouf | ma3x: the mpoop entries are easy though ;-) |
| 09:09.06 | enouf | there's even examples at the top of the file ;-) |
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| 09:09.19 | enouf | or .. you using grub2 ? |
| 09:09.45 | ma3x | enouf update-grub doesn't detect other os, only linux. and when i installed debian it detected it, but then i modified the winxp entry and now it wont detect it |
| 09:10.06 | ma3x | not using grub2 |
| 09:10.20 | enouf | so, replace it with your backup copy |
| 09:10.45 | ma3x | deleted that too |
| 09:11.13 | ma3x | ok imagine i have no /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 09:11.19 | ma3x | i run grub-install '(hd0)' |
| 09:11.31 | ma3x | it generates a random file, but doesn't detect other os than linux |
| 09:11.40 | ma3x | i run update-grub, same thing |
| 09:12.18 | ma3x | now why the debian installer adds the os and running grub from debian doesn't add another os? |
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| 09:13.05 | enouf | run like this; http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 09:13.45 | enouf | with grub-install though try passing it the --recheck option or something |
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| 09:14.15 | ma3x | let me install links2 first |
| 09:16.04 | WormFood | no, we're not going to let you install links2...use telnet to port 80....like everyone else here |
| 09:16.50 | ma3x | are you gone fishing or wtf? |
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| 09:19.03 | ma3x | how can you paste url in links2? |
| 09:19.44 | et | run both irssi (if that's the client you are using) and links2 in the same screen |
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| 09:20.58 | et | then start copy mode (<C-a><Esc>), move to the start position with the cursor keys, hit return, move to the end position, hit return again, now you've copied |
| 09:21.36 | et | then in links, use <C-a>] to paste |
| 09:22.02 | heavensrevenge | hello, anyone know what the infobash equavalent in xchat is? |
| 09:22.12 | ma3x | what's <C-a>] |
| 09:22.21 | ma3x | must i use irssi? |
| 09:22.38 | ma3x | im connected with bitchx right now |
| 09:23.28 | enouf | in links2 use ESC for menu at top, then see help > keys |
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| 09:25.07 | et | ma3x: the instructions are valid vor anything inside screen |
| 09:25.14 | et | has to be inside screen though |
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| 09:25.46 | the-dude | im running ssh+screen+irssi |
| 09:26.10 | ma3x | works thanks! |
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| 09:30.27 | ma3x | enouf i don't see any info on how to do it or --recheck option for grub |
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| 09:31.17 | Rienzilha | Hey all |
| 09:32.14 | enouf | ma3x: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Invoking-grub_002dinstall.html |
| 09:32.34 | Rienzilha | I am trying to install etch on a dell poweredge r300, but it doesnt recognize the intel 4 ports gigabit card. Are these cards not supported by the default e1000 driver? Is there a binary driver for download somewhere? |
| 09:32.50 | enouf | and stop playing about in your BIOS. or atleast, put it back the way it should be |
| 09:33.08 | ma3x | brb |
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| 09:34.19 | enouf | Rienzilha: might want/need etch 4.0r4 for that (or etchnhalf, or kmuto) - not certain |
| 09:34.32 | Rienzilha | uhmm |
| 09:34.46 | enouf | Rienzilha: i think the eeepro100 whatever is deprecated and replcaed by e100 ? |
| 09:34.52 | Rienzilha | well |
| 09:34.56 | Rienzilha | e1000 doesnt work |
| 09:35.00 | Rienzilha | and I read there's a new driver |
| 09:35.03 | Rienzilha | called |
| 09:35.03 | enouf | should it? |
| 09:35.05 | Rienzilha | 'igb' |
| 09:35.07 | Rienzilha | well |
| 09:35.14 | Rienzilha | it is an intel gigabit chip :) |
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| 09:35.39 | enouf | ~$ modinfo e1000 |
| 09:35.53 | peppe | Rienzilha: which card is exactly? lspci? |
| 09:36.00 | Rienzilha | no lspci installed yet |
| 09:36.07 | Rienzilha | wait I can instqall that from cd |
| 09:36.08 | Rienzilha | hold on |
| 09:36.12 | enouf | Rienzilha: lspci -nn | grep -i Eth |
| 09:36.40 | enouf | run update-pciids too |
| 09:36.51 | enouf | no net? :-P |
| 09:37.25 | Rienzilha | no :) |
| 09:37.29 | Rienzilha | what package is lspci in? :) |
| 09:37.42 | enouf | util-linux? er ... |
| 09:37.49 | peppe | pciutils |
| 09:37.57 | enouf | pciutils: /usr/share/man/man8/lspci.8.gz |
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| 09:38.20 | Rienzilha | 07:00.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Intel Corporation Unknown device [8086:10d6] (rev 02) |
| 09:38.23 | enouf | hugs dlocate |
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| 09:38.28 | peppe | update-pciids |
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| 09:38.37 | Rienzilha | haha |
| 09:38.40 | Rienzilha | Resolving pciids.sourceforge.net... failed: Temporary failure in name resolution. |
| 09:38.44 | Rienzilha | :) |
| 09:38.51 | Rienzilha | a machine without internet is horror :) |
| 09:39.02 | peppe | well, doesn't matter --- pci:v00008086d000010D6sv, igb driver here (2.6.24) |
| 09:39.06 | enouf | Rienzilha: run this ~$ grep '8086\ .*10d6' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 09:39.18 | Rienzilha | no match |
| 09:39.26 | enouf | newer kernel required |
| 09:39.50 | Rienzilha | yeah |
| 09:39.55 | Rienzilha | I heard the etchnhalf kernel should work |
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| 09:40.20 | Rienzilha | can you somehow install the etchnhalf kernel in a normal etch system? |
| 09:40.25 | Rienzilha | (with apt pinning or so?) |
| 09:40.35 | enouf | backports.org |
| 09:40.45 | enouf | !backports.org |
| 09:40.45 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 09:40.51 | Rienzilha | k |
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| 09:47.54 | DavidS | hi, is there a recommended upgrade path from i386 to amd64? i have still space left on my VG, so I'd thought i use a shared /boot and a new LV+debootstrap |
| 09:48.19 | ma3x | can i import bookmarks (json files) from firefox3 to firefox2? |
| 09:48.39 | ma3x | i searched on google, it says deleting the json files |
| 09:48.48 | ma3x | but that would destroy the bookmarks |
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| 09:53.44 | enouf | ma3x: it should be a stupid HTML file, no? |
| 09:53.50 | enouf | make a backup and try it |
| 09:54.06 | DavidS | I'm just reading http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/hobbies/debian_arch_up/index.html |
| 09:54.27 | ma3x | enouf: it's .json in firefox3 |
| 09:54.42 | ma3x | now since i reinstalled only thing i've left is 4 .json files with all my bookmarks inside |
| 09:54.43 | enouf | ma3x: well it's FIrepoop, what do you expect ;-) |
| 09:54.58 | ma3x | haha! yeah i know |
| 09:55.32 | enouf | ma3x: why keep things easy when they can easily overly complicate the crap out of it? |
| 09:55.36 | Rienzilha | hmm |
| 09:56.10 | deus___ | ma3x, Bookmarks -> Organize Bookmarks -> Import and Backup -> Export HTML |
| 09:56.11 | deus___ | tried this? |
| 09:56.16 | konadr | !mono |
| 09:56.16 | dpkg | well, mono is a community initiative to develop an open source, Cross platform version of the Microsoft.NET development platform. http://www.go-mono.com/ or the kissing disease, mononucleosis |
| 09:56.39 | ma3x | deus___: i would love to try that!! but i don't have that option in firefox2, it's only available in firefox3 i think |
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| 09:56.48 | deus___ | that's what I'm talking about |
| 09:56.48 | ma3x | and i don't have firefox3 anymore |
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| 09:56.56 | deus___ | install it then |
| 09:57.27 | berzerka | how can i (easily) list the contents of a not installed debian package? |
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| 09:57.40 | berzerka | for installed it's dpkg -L packagename. |
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| 09:58.11 | enouf | berzerka: contents? visit packages.debian.org |
| 09:58.40 | berzerka | enouf: of course, but can i do it using apt` |
| 09:59.16 | berzerka | like apt-cache --show-contents prefix* | grep whatiamlookingfor ? |
| 09:59.32 | berzerka | will apt-file do this? |
| 09:59.50 | enouf | doubt it - maybe one of the *madisons would |
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| 10:01.18 | berzerka | from man apt-file: list List the contents of a package matching the pattern pattern. This action is very close to the dpkg -L command except the package does not need to be installed or fetched. |
| 10:01.33 | ShishKabab | Hello. I'm using Debian Sid and want to install KTorrent. This package depends on kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 which conflicts with kdebase-bin-kde3. My question is: Will I still be able to run KDE3 and its programs when I install kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4? |
| 10:02.31 | ma3x | is there a backport of firefox3? |
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| 10:03.24 | wols_ | !firefox3 etch |
| 10:03.28 | wols_ | ShishKabab: no. |
| 10:03.35 | vijay | hello is there a way to run xapplications in a chrooted environment? |
| 10:03.36 | wols_ | !test |
| 10:03.36 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 10:03.43 | wols_ | !ff3 etch |
| 10:04.11 | ShishKabab | So how do I install KTorerent? |
| 10:04.18 | wols_ | !firefox 3 etch |
| 10:04.18 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...) |
| 10:04.25 | wols_ | ShishKabab: compile it yourself from debian sources |
| 10:04.38 | wols_ | DIY backport |
| 10:04.45 | ma3x | ShishKabab: use rtorrent way better |
| 10:04.58 | ShishKabab | I'll try it ) |
| 10:05.03 | ShishKabab | Thanks! |
| 10:05.48 | enouf | berzerka: figure it out yet? |
| 10:05.51 | ma3x | what was the command to set the default browser? |
| 10:06.04 | plundra | update-alternatives, I guess. |
| 10:06.07 | berzerka | enouf: yes that one does it. |
| 10:06.08 | enouf | yep |
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| 10:06.16 | enouf | www-browser |
| 10:06.22 | berzerka | enouf: apt-file list |
| 10:06.31 | enouf | berzerka: ahh, nice |
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| 10:08.17 | Mallxs | !mutimedia |
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| 10:09.33 | Mallxs | !debian-multimedia.org |
| 10:09.33 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 10:10.53 | morbyt1 | Hi all. sb willing to help with custom kernel configuration? |
| 10:11.30 | dondelelcaro | morbyt1: first suggestion is to not use a custom kernel. |
| 10:11.40 | enouf | heh |
| 10:11.55 | morbyt1 | dondelelcaro: i found no other way to get my sb xfi working |
| 10:11.59 | morbyt1 | with alsa |
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| 10:12.16 | enouf | toss that garbage ;-) |
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| 10:12.31 | enouf | go get a real card, like m-audio or something |
| 10:12.36 | morbyt1 | but my pretty frontpanel... sniff |
| 10:12.39 | ma3x | enouf: i meant to set the default browser! i found it anyway: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
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| 10:12.50 | Alagar | how to install JDK6 in debian3.1 |
| 10:13.04 | enouf | ma3x: righto - sorry i wan't explicit - just wanted to hint to you .. ;-) |
| 10:13.12 | morbyt1 | enouf: i dont want to buy a new one. ... im just a poor student |
| 10:13.28 | enouf | morbyt1: i didn't mean to forget the x- though , so my bad |
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| 10:13.32 | enouf | ma3x: |
| 10:13.33 | ma3x | yeah yah hinted me a nice google search :) |
| 10:13.35 | ma3x | yup? |
| 10:13.38 | enouf | not morbyt1 , my bad tab |
| 10:13.59 | ma3x | shoots enouf |
| 10:14.13 | enouf | ma3x: what id do is sudo update-alternatives --config x-[TAB][TAB] kind of things ;-0 |
| 10:14.42 | morbyt1 | tbh, my custom kernel _is_ working, but somehow i disabled the consoles found in ctrl-alt-1 to 6 |
| 10:14.51 | ma3x | not bad, never knew those options would autocomplete |
| 10:14.57 | enouf | it doesn't seem to tab complete when using --list instead though :-O |
| 10:15.21 | enouf | sure, many things do - i always try smashing TAB 1st ;-) |
| 10:15.23 | Rienzilha | ok |
| 10:15.34 | Rienzilha | the etchnhalf kernel made the broaddcoms work, but not the intel :/ |
| 10:15.54 | enouf | Rienzilha: eww ,, well atleast you have net |
| 10:16.01 | enouf | Rienzilha: does the module exist now? |
| 10:16.07 | enouf | Rienzilha: run this ~$ grep '8086\ .*10d6' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
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| 10:16.38 | enouf | certainly run your update-pciids and *-usbids and such |
| 10:16.45 | Rienzilha | yeah, hold on |
| 10:17.12 | dondelelcaro | morbyt1: you shouldn't have to build your own kernel for that. There are backports of 2.6.25 if that driver actually made it into the mainline, and if not, you'll just have to compile whatever modules there are against a Debian kernel anyway. |
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| 10:19.31 | Rienzilha | ok |
| 10:19.34 | Rienzilha | it's a 07:00.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82575GB Gigabit Network Connection (rev 02) |
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| 10:20.55 | hatter | i have an nfs mounted between two servers which seems to have dropped, now when i df it hangs |
| 10:21.00 | tofaffy|lappy | What command can I run to see what version of debian I'm running? |
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| 10:21.40 | dondelelcaro | !tell tofaffy|lappy -about version |
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| 10:22.04 | tofaffy|lappy | dondelelcaro, thanks |
| 10:22.08 | enouf | Rienzilha: you already gave the pciid earlier - no need for names |
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| 10:22.34 | Rienzilha | oh ok |
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| 10:22.45 | Rienzilha | ill try the kernel from backports |
| 10:22.54 | enouf | Rienzilha: just see if the module is there - could even do modprobe -l | grep name |
| 10:23.06 | Rienzilha | it isnt :) |
| 10:24.15 | morbyt1 | dondelelcaro: afaik the driver is not in mainline - if thats a repository :o - as it taints debian guidelines. i believe its the same type of driver like ati or nvidia provide (are those pluggable as you mentioned?) |
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| 10:25.44 | enouf | morbyt1: nice piece of hardware your supporting there ... sigh |
| 10:25.51 | enouf | you're |
| 10:26.12 | dondelelcaro | morbyt1: well, then you'll have to find the proprietary drivers or whatever it is, and build them against a kernel that we ship. |
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| 10:26.41 | morbyt1 | enouf: yeah. ok. slap accepted. |
| 10:26.42 | Rienzilha | yeah the backports kernel has it |
| 10:26.43 | Rienzilha | great |
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| 10:27.24 | morbyt1 | enouf: bad decision 3 years ago - no money today to payback... |
| 10:27.50 | enouf | ebay that garbage |
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| 10:31.18 | fr05tbyt3 | hello everybody |
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| 10:33.04 | fr05tbyt3 | i have a quick easy question hopefully, why are there so many images listed at the debian site |
| 10:33.07 | fr05tbyt3 | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 10:33.08 | tofaffy|lappy | I'm trying to install irssi before I run updates, but when I run apt-get install irssi it adds all the packages that need to be updated in. How can I avoidt his? |
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| 10:34.04 | fr05tbyt3 | maybe synaptic would give you more options? |
| 10:34.24 | tofaffy|lappy | fr05tbyt3, thanks |
| 10:34.32 | fr05tbyt3 | well hey im a noob so |
| 10:34.38 | pumpkin0 | fr05tbyt3: cause debian is freaking big. |
| 10:34.41 | fr05tbyt3 | dont go quoting me :S |
| 10:34.43 | fr05tbyt3 | :D |
| 10:34.52 | enouf | tofaffy|lappy: how about you use -d and just dpkg -i it |
| 10:35.00 | fr05tbyt3 | well this is the net install |
| 10:35.04 | Rienzilha | great |
| 10:35.08 | Rienzilha | thanks for the help guys |
| 10:35.31 | pumpkin0 | fr05tbyt3: netinstall is the small 144MB iso. |
| 10:35.46 | fr05tbyt3 | ohhh |
| 10:35.50 | fr05tbyt3 | thank you very much |
| 10:35.56 | fr05tbyt3 | im not very attentive |
| 10:36.05 | pumpkin0 | fr05tbyt3: the rest is the offline install. |
| 10:36.19 | fr05tbyt3 | thank you thank you :D |
| 10:37.30 | phoix | can anyone recommend a good site with information on porting linux distros to the arm architecture? |
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| 10:39.30 | fr05tbyt3 | i found a PDF |
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| 10:39.36 | fr05tbyt3 | phoix |
| 10:40.09 | fr05tbyt3 | http://www.google.com/search?q=porting+linux+to+arm&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 10:40.16 | phoix | cool, thanks |
| 10:40.23 | lymeca | How can I tell which package a specific file came from? |
| 10:40.36 | petemc | lymeca: dpkg -S /path/to/file |
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| 10:41.13 | lymeca | petemc: dpkg: /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini not found. |
| 10:41.15 | lymeca | ????? |
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| 10:45.49 | themill | lymeca: it may be that it's created in post-inst rather than being shipped directly. (Look at the php5-common package) |
| 10:46.31 | lymeca | themill: Well I need to reinstall the package and have it regenerate this file. |
| 10:46.40 | lymeca | I messed it up or something and now all PHP is broken. |
| 10:46.47 | fr05tbyt3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:46.53 | lymeca | I tried aptitude reinstall php5-common and that didn't work. |
| 10:47.06 | themill | fr05tbyt3: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
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| 10:47.21 | themill | lymeca: did you tell it to use the confmiss option? /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 10:48.00 | fr05tbyt3 | oooo thank you much |
| 10:48.04 | fr05tbyt3 | :D |
| 10:49.24 | lymeca | themill: Still broken =[ |
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| 10:50.26 | pumpkin0 | lymeca: that's the error-msg ? |
| 10:51.23 | lymeca | there is no error message |
| 10:51.50 | lymeca | php is just broken, and it started after I change 3 small things in /etc/php5/apach2/php.ini which should not have broken anything. |
| 10:51.59 | lymeca | I even changed them back to default |
| 10:52.03 | lymeca | and restarted apache |
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| 10:52.22 | lymeca | it is still broken and I get segfault errors in error.log for apache every time I try to access anything php |
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| 10:54.11 | themill | lymeca: there has to be something else going on as well. Things don't just start segfaulting without a change being made. Is this in lenny or etch? |
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| 10:55.37 | lymeca | themill: Etch |
| 10:56.24 | themill | and what version of php5-common do you have installed (apt-cache policy php5-common) |
| 10:57.36 | Nyle | themill, go to bed! |
| 10:57.48 | themill | Nyle: it's midday |
| 10:57.55 | Nyle | themill, did you stay up all night.... nm |
| 10:57.59 | Nyle | I thought youw ere in usa |
| 10:59.16 | petemc | thinks themill is a pirate |
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| 10:59.35 | ma3x | what's this error /home/ma3x/alsa-driver-1.0.17/acore/rtctimer.c:4: error: redefinition of âis_power_of_2â |
| 10:59.37 | ma3x | /home/ma3x/alsa-driver-1.0.17/include/adriver.h:1424: error: previous definition of âis_power_of_2â was here |
| 11:00.47 | ma3x | damn these new version don't work |
| 11:00.55 | ma3x | it's like that with everything |
| 11:01.04 | ma3x | iwl3945 sucks, alsa new drivers suck |
| 11:01.13 | lymeca | themill: 5.2.0-8+etch11 |
| 11:02.36 | cr3rzemjest | !debian ftw |
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| 11:03.59 | zaggynl | !arch ftw |
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| 11:04.18 | zaggynl | throws a penguin at cr3rzemjest |
| 11:04.41 | cr3rzemjest | dies |
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| 11:07.07 | themill | lymeca: that was a recent update (I think... it is according to qa but not according to the changelog). Could that be related? |
| 11:07.38 | lymeca | themill: It seemed to be working fine until I edited the file |
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| 11:08.34 | themill | can you restore that file from a backup? |
| 11:08.52 | lymeca | no =[ |
| 11:10.04 | themill | lymeca: the default file is, I believe, also in /usr/share/doc/php5-common/examples/php.ini-dist |
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| 11:16.21 | kmeyer | where do menu entries go in debian? |
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| 11:17.11 | enouf | man update-menus? |
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| 11:18.13 | dimir | update-my-anus |
| 11:18.20 | Nyle | ...? |
| 11:18.31 | Rienzilha | uh |
| 11:18.57 | Nyle | steel capped doc martin'ed kick straight in the asshole is what he needs? |
| 11:19.04 | harpal | I have img file. how can I open that file? |
| 11:19.09 | Nyle | wht a randomly weird thing to utter |
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| 11:21.28 | pumpkin0 | harpal: run "file <file-you-want-to-open" and post the one line output here. |
| 11:21.45 | harpal | pumpkin0: |
| 11:21.48 | harpal | ok |
| 11:22.38 | themill | (input redirection not required) |
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| 11:23.10 | pumpkin0 | ops, i missed the closing <> sign ... |
| 11:23.39 | themill | ah |
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| 11:25.13 | kmeyer | enouf: don't have a man page for that; what provides it? |
| 11:26.07 | harpal | pumpkin0: Hey sorry that file is now opened in daemon tools in virtual cd in windows. but how can I open that iso,img and other files in linux |
| 11:26.27 | Rienzilha | hmm |
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| 11:26.32 | kmeyer | harpal: file-roller if you use GNOME, also you can mount them on a loopback device |
| 11:26.35 | enouf | kmeyer: menu pkg |
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| 11:26.39 | pumpkin0 | harpal: mount -o loop -t iso9660 /file /mount-point |
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| 11:27.00 | kmeyer | thanks enouf |
| 11:27.02 | themill | As long as it's an iso file and not some other "image" file |
| 11:27.11 | Rienzilha | kan I have luinux automagically remove a route if the link on the interface corresponding to that route goes down? |
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| 11:27.27 | harpal | pumpkin0: id its not iso file than? |
| 11:27.30 | themill | Rienzilha: try ifplugd for that |
| 11:28.13 | pumpkin0 | harpal: if you tell me which format it is i tell you which way to mount it. "img" is not a format. |
| 11:28.43 | harpal | pumpkin0: so you want file <filename> output right? |
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| 11:28.54 | enouf | harpal: general info http://linuxreviews.org/howtos/cdrecording/ |
| 11:29.08 | pumpkin0 | harpal: yes, that usually helps. |
| 11:29.18 | enouf | file -s /dev/cdrom or whatever and isoinfo |
| 11:29.34 | harpal | ok |
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| 11:30.15 | enouf | file filename.iso -or- isoinfo -i -d filename.iso .. etc |
| 11:30.24 | Alagar | a manually copied folder of tomcat 6 on debian 3.1 will work? |
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| 11:34.14 | Nyle | yo |
| 11:34.34 | enouf | ma |
| 11:34.44 | [Gandhi] | buen dia |
| 11:34.47 | enouf | boutros |
| 11:34.56 | [Gandhi] | good morning |
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| 11:42.00 | Rienzilha | hmmm |
| 11:42.04 | Rienzilha | ifplugd seems ok |
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| 11:44.42 | chesterfan69 | OMG GEORGE BUSH HAS JUST BEEN ASSASSINATED |
| 11:44.46 | chesterfan69 | TURN ON YOUR TV |
| 11:45.07 | Kian_ | lol |
| 11:45.12 | chesterfan69 | im not kidding you |
| 11:45.27 | Rienzilha | ? |
| 11:45.29 | chesterfan69 | turn on your tv |
| 11:45.32 | Rienzilha | seriously? |
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| 11:45.40 | chesterfan69 | he is on the verge of death |
| 11:45.46 | Kian_ | I'm at work.. no TV here |
| 11:45.53 | chesterfan69 | he got shot 2 times in the chest |
| 11:45.58 | Rienzilha | are you serious? |
| 11:45.59 | petemc | !ops chesterfan69 talking shit |
| 11:45.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: petemc complains about: chesterfan69 talking shit |
| 11:46.14 | SlayerXP | !op chesterfan69 getting people's hope up |
| 11:46.14 | chesterfan69 | im not kidding |
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| 11:46.38 | Rienzilha | cnn.com is quiet |
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| 11:47.20 | Kian_ | news are quiet |
| 11:47.24 | chesterfan69 | probs not updated yet |
| 11:47.26 | chesterfan69 | i dunno |
| 11:47.32 | chesterfan69 | maybe there tryna cover it up |
| 11:47.48 | Kian_ | lol |
| 11:47.50 | Knight_Lord | very funny... |
| 11:48.02 | olgem | hey guys I just got back from shooting George Bu---- |
| 11:48.02 | olgem | Oh |
| 11:48.12 | Rienzilha | heh |
| 11:48.19 | Kian_ | it's a combined plot with al qaeda and the free masonry ^^ |
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| 11:48.35 | Danny_ | OMG GEORGE BUSH ASSAINATED! |
| 11:48.38 | chesterfan69 | see i told you |
| 11:48.40 | Danny_ | Tuern on your tv now! |
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| 11:48.45 | Danny_ | CNN news |
| 11:48.47 | litb | hello all |
| 11:48.47 | Danny_ | Etc |
| 11:48.51 | litb | ive got a problem mates |
| 11:48.57 | Danny_ | Dont we all |
| 11:48.57 | litb | i want to install the nvidia binary drivers |
| 11:49.01 | Danny_ | George bush is dead |
| 11:49.09 | litb | but this is getting complicated |
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| 11:49.13 | zeld | hi all |
| 11:49.28 | newsense | good mornig |
| 11:49.32 | zeld | i've a problem...i'm just try to reconfigure console-data |
| 11:49.37 | Lagbolt | litb, whats complicated? |
| 11:49.46 | zeld | for a sun ultra sparc5 and now not work the keyboard.. |
| 11:49.46 | Kian_ | dpkg-reconfigure usa-president |
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| 11:49.52 | litb | doing apt-get install nividia-glx-legacy (the nvidia-glx seems to depend on XFree86 instead on Xorg) wants to remove my Xorg installation |
| 11:49.56 | litb | what the heck is going on ? |
| 11:50.04 | zeld | what is the default configure? |
| 11:50.12 | Knight_Lord | Kian_ i'm afraid no one is able to do that |
| 11:50.14 | Lagbolt | litb, hmm, you using etch? lenny? |
| 11:50.27 | litb | Lagbolt: how can i find out? |
| 11:50.35 | et | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 11:50.35 | litb | the login screen displays "lenny/sid" |
| 11:50.36 | Kian_ | apt-get install obama |
| 11:50.42 | Dan6688 | Kian_: sudo apt-get autoremove needless bureaucracy |
| 11:50.43 | disposable | how can i see the output of a script when it is being run as a cron job? |
| 11:50.54 | litb | Lagbolt: there is lenny/sid in this file |
| 11:51.02 | litb | Lagbolt: i dunno what to do |
| 11:51.07 | Knight_Lord | Kian_ obama also has many release critical bugs |
| 11:51.12 | Cromag | Danny_: do you have a link to share ? |
| 11:51.15 | Lagbolt | litb, is this a new install? |
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| 11:51.22 | litb | Lagbolt: its old |
| 11:51.27 | et | Cromag: stop feeding the troll |
| 11:51.30 | litb | Lagbolt: we changed from intel card to nvidia card |
| 11:51.32 | Kian_ | Knight_Lord, still we may be able to install obama-0.2 |
| 11:51.48 | et | litb: there are no binary nvidia drivers for lenny at the moment |
| 11:51.51 | Lagbolt | what is the nvidia card? |
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| 11:51.54 | Cromag | et: "sure..." |
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| 11:52.09 | litb | in my sources.list this line shows up: some-debian-url lenny main non-free contrib |
| 11:52.12 | litb | is that correct? |
| 11:52.19 | litb | et: oh |
| 11:52.26 | et | yes, but it won't help you installing the nvidia drivers |
| 11:52.29 | litb | et: it is lenny/sid what i use |
| 11:52.32 | litb | et: oh |
| 11:52.38 | litb | et: are there for stable ? |
| 11:52.52 | et | litb: either backport from sid or use the installer from nvidia |
| 11:53.01 | themill | !nvidia lenny |
| 11:53.01 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 11:53.25 | litb | et: how do add it for sid? do i change it to some-url lenny sid main non-free contrib ? |
| 11:53.35 | et | you don't want to do that |
| 11:53.40 | litb | et: oh |
| 11:53.45 | et | listen to dpkg |
| 11:53.45 | litb | et: why dont i? |
| 11:53.55 | litb | et: yeah he says i have to add it to deb-src |
| 11:53.57 | et | because using sid would mean regular breakage |
| 11:54.00 | litb | so i asked how to do that :/ |
| 11:54.07 | litb | et: oh |
| 11:54.13 | litb | now i have this version: lenny/sid |
| 11:54.16 | litb | isnt that sid ? |
| 11:54.18 | et | no |
| 11:54.20 | litb | oh |
| 11:54.31 | litb | what is it? is my system screwed up ? |
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| 11:54.38 | et | no |
| 11:54.41 | litb | hmm |
| 11:54.43 | filox | hello boys! |
| 11:54.48 | litb | is it something in the middle of sid and lenny ? |
| 11:54.56 | et | it's lenny, as we told you |
| 11:54.59 | litb | oh |
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| 11:55.06 | litb | but why is it called lenny/sid ? |
| 11:55.07 | filox | i have installed postfix, so everyname goes in /var/mail/username |
| 11:55.12 | themill | ! lenny/sid |
| 11:55.13 | dpkg | Debian doesn't distinguish if a system runs testing or unstable. "lenny/sid" means a system is either tracking testing or unstable (or a mix). If you want the list of releases your system really tracks, ask me about <tracked suites>. Also ask about <why lenny/sid>. |
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| 11:55.18 | Lagbolt | litb, you said you have lenny sources. so unless you have lenny and sid sources in your sources.list you have lenny |
| 11:55.20 | Kian_ | ! bush |
| 11:55.20 | dpkg | i guess bush is chick plumbing, or the current President and the Dictator of the World, or a shrubbery, or a moron |
| 11:55.23 | filox | i use mail command to read it |
| 11:55.25 | litb | et: so you recommend to grab the nvidia installer and install it myself ? |
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| 11:55.42 | filox | how can i read it from another computer with like a pop/imap server? |
| 11:55.52 | litb | how do you guys know i dont use sid but testing ? |
| 11:55.52 | themill | litb: no. don't touch the nvidia installer |
| 11:56.01 | litb | themill: so what do you recommend me ? |
| 11:56.30 | litb | Lagbolt: i tried to add "sid" to it. but it complained about not finding some version stuff on that url |
| 11:56.44 | themill | litb: as I said earlier, /msg dpkg nvidia lenny |
| 11:56.47 | Lagbolt | litb, dont add unstable sources if you dont know what you are doing |
| 11:56.53 | et | litb: stop doing random things |
| 11:56.59 | litb | et: oh |
| 11:57.02 | et | litb: you will screw your system |
| 11:57.11 | litb | i heard that debian package system is too complicated for anyone |
| 11:57.21 | et | you're running testing. don't complain |
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| 11:57.40 | litb | dammit |
| 11:57.47 | litb | et: now dpkg says i have to go to sid |
| 11:57.54 | arafangion | Hey... What language do the chinese speak on irc? |
| 11:57.55 | Lagbolt | litb, no it doesnt |
| 11:57.55 | litb | but you tell me i do NOT have to go to sid |
| 11:57.55 | themill | litb: no it doesn't |
| 11:58.00 | Lagbolt | litb, it says deb-src for sid |
| 11:58.01 | litb | im really out of ideas |
| 11:58.02 | Lagbolt | not deb |
| 11:58.05 | litb | Lagbolt: yes |
| 11:58.08 | litb | Lagbolt: oh |
| 11:58.11 | Lagbolt | that is different |
| 11:58.14 | themill | litb: ideas aren't required... understanding is |
| 11:58.19 | litb | you mean the source of sid but it compiles it on my system ? |
| 11:58.25 | litb | themill: oh i see |
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| 11:58.29 | Lagbolt | litb can you pastebin your sources.list |
| 11:58.30 | filox | i have installed postfix, so everyname goes in /var/mail/username , i use mail command to read it, how can i read it from another computer with like a pop/imap server? |
| 11:58.43 | arafangion | litb, If I understand your situation, you must have the deb-src setup so that you can do 'backports'. |
| 11:58.51 | litb | so just changing the line by stuffing "sid" between those other stuff like non-free, main and so on ? |
| 11:58.56 | arafangion | litb, That is, recompile packages from sid to use your current system's libs. |
| 11:59.05 | Lagbolt | litb, dude, do not just change lines |
| 11:59.06 | litb | Lagbolt: i have no X. and no idea how i can pastebin it out of the console |
| 11:59.10 | Lagbolt | litb, you have to add a line |
| 11:59.17 | arafangion | litb, The complicated things is when the packages are not even source code compatible. |
| 11:59.19 | Lagbolt | !pastebin pipe |
| 11:59.19 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
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| 11:59.29 | Lagbolt | litb, like that |
| 11:59.30 | Kian_ | oh, nice |
| 11:59.42 | litb | Lagbolt: oh i see |
| 11:59.45 | litb | hold on |
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| 12:00.08 | litb | Lagbolt: i see. so i have to add a sid line ? |
| 12:00.26 | Lagbolt | you need a line like this . . .deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 12:00.29 | litb | Lagbolt: i already have deb-src line |
| 12:00.41 | litb | oh it isnt called "sid" but unstable |
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| 12:00.53 | litb | Lagbolt: oh i already have such a deb-src line. i will add unstable to it now |
| 12:00.53 | Lagbolt | litb, and you still have your other lines? and when you do apt-get update what happens? |
| 12:01.04 | litb | tho our company apparently has its own debian mirror... |
| 12:01.06 | arafangion | litb, unstable is the same thing as sid. |
| 12:01.12 | litb | i will have to see whether they supply deb-src |
| 12:01.26 | litb | Lagbolt: it just says "no updates found" or such |
| 12:01.40 | litb | Lagbolt: ok hold on i will add unstable to it |
| 12:01.49 | litb | Lagbolt: do i have to remove lenny from it then ? |
| 12:01.53 | Lagbolt | litb, nooooooo |
| 12:01.58 | Lagbolt | ADD is not remove |
| 12:02.02 | Lagbolt | add a line |
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| 12:02.27 | litb | Lagbolt: oh ok |
| 12:02.51 | Lagbolt | litb, how many lines do you have? you should have a deb for testing and a deb-src for unstabe . . is there anything else that you added for other reasons? |
| 12:02.51 | litb | Lagbolt: if i already have this deb-src, i have to add another deb-src line? |
| 12:02.58 | litb | Lagbolt: hold on |
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| 12:04.08 | litb | i have a deb for etch, and for lenny, for main and contrib and non-free |
| 12:04.51 | litb | the etch line is a line of its own (with its own set of main contrib non-free). then there is a line just like the etch one. only instead of etch there is a lenny word |
| 12:05.03 | litb | and for both those lines, here are deb-src lines too |
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| 12:05.17 | litb | and in addition, both have debian-security lines too |
| 12:05.19 | Lagbolt | ok so a third deb-src line with unstable in place of lenny |
| 12:05.22 | Lagbolt | do you have that now? |
| 12:05.26 | litb | so i have a total of 8 lines in my file |
| 12:05.51 | litb | Lagbolt: oh i see. i cannot just use one existing line and add unstable there? |
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| 12:06.01 | litb | what is the difference if i add a line of its own ? |
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| 12:06.38 | litb | Lagbolt: anyway i have to install this mouse daemon so i can copy paste |
| 12:06.41 | Lagbolt | litb no |
| 12:06.46 | litb | i think it was called gdm ? |
| 12:06.50 | Lagbolt | you can not have lenny unstable on same line |
| 12:07.09 | abrotman | maybe he shouldn't be running unstable ? |
| 12:07.19 | Lagbolt | you do not add unstable to a line you add a line for unstable |
| 12:07.28 | Lagbolt | abrotman, i agree! |
| 12:07.32 | litb | so i have 12 lines now in it |
| 12:07.35 | Lagbolt | 12? |
| 12:07.37 | themill | litb: is there a reason why you're not running etch? |
| 12:07.42 | litb | 4 lines added with unstable instead of lenny |
| 12:07.49 | Lagbolt | 4 unstable lines |
| 12:07.50 | litb | so should i save the file and update now ? |
| 12:07.50 | Lagbolt | no |
| 12:07.54 | Lagbolt | ok listen closely |
| 12:07.59 | litb | themill: i want to be cutting edge |
| 12:08.08 | themill | litb: learn to use your computer first |
| 12:08.15 | Rienzilha | wth |
| 12:08.24 | Rienzilha | themill: did you work with ifplugd before? |
| 12:08.34 | litb | themill: i use linux for 6 years now and i think im quite advanced |
| 12:08.38 | themill | Rienzilha: yeah, used to... but haven't used it for a long time |
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| 12:08.43 | abrotman | he really shouldn't be using unstable |
| 12:08.46 | Lagbolt | you only want 1 (ONE) unstable line. just deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib |
| 12:08.53 | Rienzilha | it seems not to detect the interface being plugged back in |
| 12:08.56 | litb | oh |
| 12:09.01 | litb | Lagbolt: so no debian-security stuff |
| 12:09.04 | Lagbolt | abrotman, yeah you are right. change my previous. you should reinstall etch |
| 12:09.12 | Lagbolt | not you abrotman , litb |
| 12:09.34 | litb | oh sorry Lagbolt |
| 12:09.36 | themill | abrotman: this is just step (1) of nvidia for lenny... "add a deb-src line for sid..." |
| 12:09.53 | litb | ok i got it |
| 12:10.00 | litb | now apt-get update... |
| 12:10.11 | Lagbolt | litb, personally i dont think you understand the sources well enough. and i suggest you run stable(etch) but |
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| 12:10.24 | themill | litb: how about you pastebin that sources.list before you do anything |
| 12:10.34 | litb | Lagbolt: it says "Sources.gz: not Found" and errors out :/ |
| 12:11.02 | litb | Lagbolt: yes i dont understand this debian business |
| 12:11.05 | Lagbolt | litb, you need to pastebin the sources or just make a new one |
| 12:11.41 | litb | i think it is because i used our companies mirror |
| 12:11.46 | arafangion | Lagbolt, Saying just 'one' like that can imply that you mean only one line, which is ... |
| 12:11.47 | litb | i will just use official debian mirror now |
| 12:11.55 | Lagbolt | and put 3 lines in it. your deb for etch, deb for lenny and deb-src for unstable |
| 12:12.00 | litb | u know some neat debain mirror ? |
| 12:12.06 | arafangion | litb, I recommend you use your company's mirror. |
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| 12:12.20 | litb | Lagbolt: no debian-security stuff ? |
| 12:12.44 | litb | arafangion: but they dont have the unstable one |
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| 12:13.09 | Lagbolt | put security in for etch and lenny, i dont think one exists for unstable |
| 12:13.09 | arafangion | litb, Good. |
| 12:13.48 | litb | oh i see |
| 12:14.03 | litb | so i will want to have 5 lines in it ? |
| 12:14.15 | themill | hates to think what the sources.list looks like now |
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| 12:15.00 | litb | themill: lol |
| 12:15.00 | enouf | !break litb |
| 12:15.00 | dpkg | tells litb how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list |
| 12:15.07 | litb | ahaha |
| 12:15.12 | enouf | ;-) |
| 12:15.23 | arafangion | enouf, Please tell me that was not deliberate. |
| 12:15.23 | Lagbolt | enouf, lol |
| 12:15.46 | Lagbolt | arafangion, it didnt really tell him, it is a joke i believe |
| 12:16.04 | arafangion | Lagbolt, Utterly besides the point. :) |
| 12:16.13 | litb | works! |
| 12:16.25 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 12:16.25 | dpkg | methinks \o/ is w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 12:16.28 | litb | i used ftp.de.debian.org/debian |
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| 12:16.47 | litb | you guys are great |
| 12:16.52 | et | dpkg: literal cmd: break (.*?) |
| 12:16.52 | dpkg | "cmd: break (.*?)" is "($1): <action> tells $1 how to replace stable with unstable in his sources.list" |
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| 12:17.14 | et | arafangion: see - that factoid is made only for that purpose ;) |
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| 12:17.33 | arafangion | litb, Years later, you'll soon realise how big a mistake that was. |
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| 12:18.31 | litb | arafangion: what do you mean? |
| 12:18.40 | litb | arafangion: what is wrong?? |
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| 12:18.50 | arafangion | litb, Debian unstable really is unstable. |
| 12:18.58 | arafangion | litb, Particularly if you have a mixed system. |
| 12:19.04 | litb | arafangion: oh well im using lenny/sid |
| 12:19.15 | litb | arafangion: i dont use unstable |
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| 12:19.16 | Lagbolt | litb, you should setup apt to prefer lenny so that it doesnt pull in unstable packages by default |
| 12:19.39 | enouf | !releases |
| 12:19.39 | dpkg | hmm... releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. See <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 12:19.57 | Lagbolt | he should be ok if the unstable is only a deb-src |
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| 12:20.14 | litb | Lagbolt: how to do |
| 12:20.27 | arafangion | Lagbolt, It might be more than that by now, from what I suspect. |
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| 12:20.41 | litb | arafangion: ahaha |
| 12:20.44 | Lagbolt | arafangion, i agree. litb soon as you get X please come back and pastebin your sources.list :) |
| 12:20.48 | litb | no there is only deb-src from unstable |
| 12:20.58 | Lagbolt | litb, ok long as you are possitive you will be ok |
| 12:21.01 | litb | ahaha Lagbolt i will do :p |
| 12:21.03 | enouf | !8ball is litb 's sources.list a mess? |
| 12:21.03 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
| 12:21.03 | Lagbolt | !pinning |
| 12:21.04 | dpkg | If you are running stable, don't pin; use a backport. Ask me about <backports> or <simple sid backport>. If you're using testing, man apt_preferences or see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning. |
| 12:21.14 | Lagbolt | litb pinning is helpful to read about |
| 12:21.18 | litb | !8ball is my sources.list fine? |
| 12:21.19 | dpkg | Negative. |
| 12:21.22 | litb | :/ |
| 12:21.26 | arafangion | remembers the pain of downgrading sid to sarge. |
| 12:21.27 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 12:21.37 | arafangion | Took the whole damn year to plan and do it. |
| 12:21.41 | litb | !8ball whose balls are the biggest? |
| 12:21.41 | dpkg | Absolutely. |
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| 12:22.01 | enouf | litb: please .. not too much with the bot .. |
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| 12:22.56 | Rienzilha | one should think that routing on an interface depending on the link state shouldnt be that hard a problem.. |
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| 12:22.59 | litb | enouf: oh i see |
| 12:23.12 | litb | im sorry to have spammed it. free slap time against litb now |
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| 12:23.14 | Rienzilha | ould* |
| 12:23.18 | Rienzilha | would* |
| 12:24.31 | Rienzilha | bweh |
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| 12:26.00 | Squawk | Hey guys, networking issue. trying to configure networking using /etc/network/interfaces, however the gnome networking applet is getting in the way and configuring the network automatically. How can I prevent the gnome network manager kicking in? |
| 12:26.43 | willluongo | Interesting wireless situation: I have tried more than one wireless card. They work in Ubuntu until I upgrade, and they work in Backtrack. Both are 'supported' natively by linux. However, I can not connect with either card to wireless network, with or without encryption. I am now running sid. No change. Any ideas? |
| 12:27.15 | willluongo | Oh, and I have tried ndiswrapper also. No dice there either |
| 12:27.24 | abrotman | willluongo: not til you tell us the device in question |
| 12:28.00 | yumigator | are you using iwconfig or networkmanager? |
| 12:28.08 | willluongo | RaLink RT2500 internal wifi card |
| 12:28.23 | willluongo | yumigator: i've tried both |
| 12:28.37 | enouf | Rienzilha: for fine tuning, you might want to look into sysctl options (do sysctl -a | less , man sysctl), though maybe you just want an allow-hotplug entry in /etc/network/interfaces - not sure though |
| 12:28.42 | willluongo | abrotman: RaLink RT2500 internal wifi card, sorry |
| 12:28.47 | yumigator | and what happens when you use iwconfig? |
| 12:29.09 | willluongo | yumigator: It KPs if I try to bring up the card manually |
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| 12:29.25 | yumigator | alright, do this: |
| 12:29.25 | Rienzilha | ahh |
| 12:29.27 | SerajewelKS | is anyone else having trouble with curses programs in screen over ssh? for some reason they hang when i try to run them, until i resize the ssh window, then they spring to life. |
| 12:29.32 | yumigator | first, set the essid with one command |
| 12:29.39 | enouf | Squawk: nothing is system > preferences about disabling it? |
| 12:29.40 | SerajewelKS | and it's a bit annoying to have to resize my terminal whenever i want to run vi |
| 12:29.40 | yumigator | and in a separete second command, set the key |
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| 12:29.50 | litb | huuh? |
| 12:30.08 | litb | should i follow nvidia_post_etch now now ? |
| 12:30.23 | enouf | Squawk: man gconftool2 ? not sure, i don't use gnome, nor network mangler |
| 12:30.31 | litb | and after that i should do dpkg -i somedeb.deb ? |
| 12:30.34 | litb | this is so confusing |
| 12:30.38 | litb | all those commands |
| 12:30.43 | enouf | Squawk: gnome-control-panel even? |
| 12:30.45 | Squawk | enouf, never used a network mangler (lol, like that) myself before |
| 12:30.47 | litb | archlinux is so much easier |
| 12:30.57 | arafangion | litb, You're not exactly walking the worn path at the moment. |
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| 12:31.03 | Squawk | enouf, bizarely hadn't thought to look in gnome-control panel, will do now |
| 12:31.16 | willluongo | yumigator: I will try it one moment |
| 12:31.17 | arafangion | litb, Most people just run stable, or maybe even testing, and use synaptic (though, us oldies tend to use apt, or aptitude) |
| 12:31.39 | hatter | is there a problem mounting an nfs share to sarge from etch ? |
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| 12:32.12 | Squawk | enouf, strangely enough no mention of the wired network in the gnome network manager. Somethiing is configuring it mind... |
| 12:32.12 | arafangion | hatter, I'm sorry but you have to rephrase that - the grammar doesn't make sense. |
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| 12:32.37 | abrotman | hatter: on sarge .. from an export on an etch box? |
| 12:32.44 | hatter | mounting an nfs share on a sarge box from an etch export |
| 12:32.45 | Lagbolt | litb, maybe you should have build and installed the nvidia drivers before replacing the video card. assuming that it didnt fail i guess lol |
| 12:32.48 | hatter | abrotman, yes |
| 12:33.04 | Hourssales | arafangion: it looks like "theres nothing about wired network in Gnome Network Manager" |
| 12:33.04 | abrotman | arafangion: better? :) |
| 12:33.27 | Hourssales | ah .. no, false line, sorry :D |
| 12:33.44 | arafangion | abrotman, Much, I can read it now! :) |
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| 12:34.09 | litb | why does it want to install nvidia-klernel-2.6.18 even tho i run 2.6.21 ?? |
| 12:34.10 | hatter | twice now an nfs mount on a sarge box has frozen until i remove it from mtab |
| 12:34.26 | hatter | trying to rsync some data |
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| 12:34.33 | litb | yes Lagbolt it was my colleagure who changed the cards :) |
| 12:34.34 | enouf | mount -n ? |
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| 12:34.58 | hatter | enouf, i didnt try that, but df locks up the session |
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| 12:35.12 | telmich | does anyone else see xserver crashes like the ones in bug #493101 described? |
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| 12:35.22 | arafangion | hatter, Do you have ssh access? I recommend using rsync+ssh instead. |
| 12:35.55 | hatter | arafangion, yes, i will do it that way. should there be a problem with nfs and rsync ? |
| 12:36.14 | arafangion | hatter, I doubt it, but I doubt you're getting any advantage using rsync that way. |
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| 12:38.30 | jetien | Hi. I'm just tryingn to install debian on my iMac. Everthing went finde until the installation of GRUB in MBR failed. Can somebody help me? |
| 12:38.35 | hatter | arafangion, would ssh not be slower than nfs ? |
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| 12:39.31 | steven_ | is there a good program for monitoring bandwidth, per connection ? |
| 12:39.48 | Squawk | enouf, sort of fixed it, stopped /etc/init.d/network-manager, and the connection instantly re-established with the right settings from /etc/network/interfaces. Only thing is I can't bring it down with ifdown eth0, no idea why |
| 12:39.48 | steven_ | iv'e been using iptraf but would like some alternatives :) |
| 12:39.48 | hatter | steven_, iptraf |
| 12:39.59 | Squawk | steven_, realtime? iptraf |
| 12:40.07 | steven_ | yup realtime |
| 12:40.09 | abrotman | steven_: i like jnettop ... depending on your needs |
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| 12:40.34 | enouf | steven_: iftop |
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| 12:41.04 | litb | worked! :p |
| 12:41.17 | litb | now is there a cut configure utility for my xserver ? |
| 12:41.20 | enouf | Squawk: you can stop that then fully using update-rc.d or what i like is rcconf, do /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 12:41.38 | litb | xf68-config |
| 12:41.41 | litb | or something ? |
| 12:41.45 | Squawk | enouf, hadn't seen rcconf, nice thanks |
| 12:41.48 | enouf | Squawk: i never realized it was an init.d script for that |
| 12:41.53 | steven_ | hm thanks ill gove both a try :) |
| 12:42.14 | Squawk | enouf, neither did I, ps -ejH to figure out where the network manager was being started from, and spotted it |
| 12:42.28 | enouf | nice |
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| 12:42.51 | Rienzilha | enouf: why would I need hotplugging for ifplugd to work? |
| 12:43.04 | Rienzilha | im looking to do something based on link beat, not on presence of the nic |
| 12:44.23 | enouf | Rienzilha: i never mentioned ifplugd |
| 12:44.30 | willluongo | yumigator: It says # ifup wlan0 |
| 12:44.30 | willluongo | Ignoring unknown interface wlan0=wlan0. |
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| 12:44.47 | vins | hi, do you know how to have transparency of windows with fluxbox ? I have installed xcompmgr and transset, ti have activated composite in xorg.conf but I have transparency only on title bar, not on all the window. |
| 12:44.52 | enouf | willluongo: ls /sys/class/net |
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| 12:45.30 | Rienzilha | then I don't understand your comment about allow-hotplug |
| 12:45.32 | willluongo | enouf: eth0 lo wlan0 wlan1wmaster0 wmaster1 |
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| 12:45.44 | enouf | ewww |
| 12:45.54 | enouf | dunno |
| 12:46.22 | enouf | Rienzilha: and maybe i misunderstood what you want, desire to accomplish ;-) |
| 12:46.38 | yumigator | willluongo: don't use ifup |
| 12:46.50 | yumigator | use ifconfig and iwconfig |
| 12:46.54 | willluongo | yumigator: What should I use? ifconfig kps |
| 12:47.08 | yumigator | did you try what I suggested? |
| 12:47.14 | willluongo | yes. |
| 12:47.33 | yumigator | so does it kp after you set the essid of after you set the key? |
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| 12:48.22 | yumigator | *or |
| 12:48.23 | willluongo | yumigator: I am sorry, it is working now... |
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| 12:48.59 | lxsameer | all : i install gtk+ 2.12.9 how can i replace gtk+ 2.8 with that my system still know 2.8 version |
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| 12:49.59 | yumigator | so it works when you set them separately |
| 12:49.59 | yumigator | ? |
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| 12:50.39 | yumigator | willluongo: sorry, I had a power outage and my router died |
| 12:50.56 | yumigator | so it worked when you set the essid and key separately? |
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| 12:53.46 | litb | how can i configure the xserver ? |
| 12:53.51 | litb | is there some utility with debian ? |
| 12:53.57 | yumigator | dpkg-reconfigure |
| 12:54.04 | themill | !drxx |
| 12:54.04 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 12:54.05 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 12:54.17 | litb | i want to config the screen to use 1280x1024 and not 800x600 and the like |
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| 12:54.26 | litb | themill: i did |
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| 12:54.42 | litb | but it didnt provide means to change the default depth, resolution and stuff |
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| 12:54.45 | yumigator | then, you'll have to edit the file yourself |
| 12:54.51 | litb | dammit |
| 12:55.01 | themill | ahh... lenny xorg fun |
| 12:55.37 | yumigator | litb: find the package that contains xorgconfig |
| 12:55.58 | yumigator | that is interactive; you'll just have to know some information about your system |
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| 12:57.36 | willluongo | yumigator: It looks like it works rather, I get an IP (correct for the subnet) but I can't connect to anything |
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| 12:58.10 | yumigator | what about with dhcp |
| 12:58.40 | willluongo | yumigator: What do you mean? |
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| 12:59.04 | yumigator | did you use ifconfig or dhclient? |
| 12:59.33 | willluongo | ifconfig wla0 up, it then got the IP on its own |
| 13:00.17 | yumigator | try `dhclient wlan0` |
| 13:01.34 | willluongo | yumigator: What is the desired feedback? I am getting 'DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 interval 5' with different numbers |
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| 13:02.05 | yumigator | well, you know it works when the program appears to terminate |
| 13:02.11 | yumigator | so if it keeps giving output, it didn't work |
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| 13:02.31 | willluongo | yumigator: It appears to terminate, but I am pretty sure it didn't work. :) No DHCPOFFERS received. |
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| 13:02.42 | w3lly | hello, does anyone had used on etch trac + mercurial? |
| 13:02.59 | yumigator | willluongo: yeah, it didn't |
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| 13:04.04 | yumigator | willluongo: you did `iwconfig wlan0 essid WHATEVER`, right? |
| 13:04.05 | enzo | hi |
| 13:04.30 | willluongo | yumigator: Oh yeah. When I didn't the system crashed. :D |
| 13:04.57 | enzo | i have a server with no screen, no mouse, nore keyboard, i'd like to access it with vnc, which vnc (or rdp) server can i use ? i'd like to access X11 whenever it loads, even before authentification in fact |
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| 13:08.01 | willluongo | enzo: VNC is pretty easy to set up |
| 13:08.13 | arafangion | willluongo, Even VNC requires authentication first. |
| 13:08.24 | willluongo | enzo: I think I've seen tutorials |
| 13:08.41 | enzo | and VNC will auto launch when server reboots ? |
| 13:08.54 | enzo | in fact i've seen vncserver, but i don't find this package in debian testing |
| 13:08.58 | enzo | only tightvncserver |
| 13:09.08 | arafangion | enzo, That's a pretty good one. |
| 13:09.10 | willluongo | enzo: Yes, but like arafangion said, you have to authenticate to connect |
| 13:09.24 | enzo | yes i prefer to authent |
| 13:09.45 | enzo | but i was talking about kde login, i'd like vnc to already run before kdm is running |
| 13:09.52 | enzo | in order to type my kde password |
| 13:09.55 | enzo | by vnc |
| 13:10.04 | arafangion | enzo, Are you running a linux client? |
| 13:10.06 | XLV | enzo basically you need to be able to connect to kdm login screen |
| 13:10.11 | enzo | for now, i use x11vnc, but it's quite long |
| 13:10.19 | enzo | yes arafangion, i use krfb from kde |
| 13:10.28 | enzo | exactly xlv |
| 13:10.34 | arafangion | enzo, You could consider bypassing vnc entirely and just use ssh (but with X11 forwarding). |
| 13:10.48 | arafangion | enzo, It becomes entirely seamless. |
| 13:11.04 | enzo | with ssh, i'll see the remote desktop ? |
| 13:11.38 | arafangion | enzo, No... you'll run programs, and they'll display on your client. |
| 13:11.44 | enzo | in fact, some graphic soft are running on remote server, i may need to see the desktop to see if all is ok |
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| 13:12.15 | enzo | ok arafangion, but no, i don't need to get the display, i need to see the desktop, so i think vnc is my only possibility right ? |
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| 13:13.42 | arafangion | enzo, Having the desktop visible is irrelevant, however I suspect that what you mean is that you want to run some long-lived program that happens to use X11, and you want to just login and check it out every now and again withotu a persistent connection? If so, then yeah, it's vnc, though I hear that nxdesktop is pretty good too, but investigate vnc first, as you'll have the most docs for that. |
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| 13:14.03 | XLV | enzo http://www.google.com/search?q=kdm+login+screen+vnc i think there are some links with guides there |
| 13:14.06 | enzo | exactly arafangion |
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| 13:14.28 | enzo | ok xlv |
| 13:14.32 | XLV | enzo it can be done with nvc, i was searching it myself some time back, but i dont remember what i have done now |
| 13:14.34 | w3lly | hello, does anyone had used on etch trac + mercurial? |
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| 13:15.05 | enzo | but in fact i remember i can configure kde to automaticaly login a specific account.. so no kdm ! |
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| 13:15.24 | enzo | you know good vnc server that launches automatically when linux boot ? |
| 13:15.33 | arafangion | enzo, It's entirely possible that the way you do that is by havin kdm do the login for you. |
| 13:16.04 | arafangion | enzo, But you're better off just simply starting the x11 server as part of some script, as a user. |
| 13:16.18 | mynullvoid | enzo: just set it to start |
| 13:16.24 | newsense | enzo: anything can start at boot if ya make it |
| 13:17.01 | enzo | yes, but i'm.. so lasy, i love /etc/init.d |
| 13:17.49 | arafangion | enzo, That is actually an appropriate place to do it. |
| 13:18.04 | mynullvoid | guys, I haven't try this, is't possible to create new partition to become first partition? |
| 13:18.14 | mynullvoid | enzo: do you use X? |
| 13:18.41 | enzo | yes xorg > kde |
| 13:18.49 | enzo | on both server and client |
| 13:19.37 | mynullvoid | enzo: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase-runtime/userguide/kde-startup-sequence.html |
| 13:20.02 | arafangion | should move away from gnome and gdm and switch to kdm (and possibly kde) |
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| 13:20.33 | enzo | years ago, i was on E, but kde is sooo good |
| 13:20.36 | enzo | (kde4) |
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| 13:20.52 | mynullvoid | good for you |
| 13:21.03 | mynullvoid | anyone played with parted? |
| 13:21.18 | fantasticmrfox | mynullvoid, yes... what level are you on? :D |
| 13:21.20 | arafangion | enzo, Likewise, then I switched to fluxbox, but it's so hard finding a decent window manager or desktop manager that supports two desktops of differing size in 'big desktop mode'. |
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| 13:21.23 | newsense | !you dont "play" with parted |
| 13:21.23 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 13:21.34 | Kian_ | lol |
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| 13:21.40 | Rienzilha | this is weird... as soon as I down my interface, the kernel no longer sees link-state changes |
| 13:21.58 | newsense | its not a toy |
| 13:22.00 | newsense | lmao |
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| 13:24.27 | arafangion | newsense, All things are toys at first. |
| 13:24.43 | Rienzilha | hmm |
| 13:24.48 | mynullvoid | I haven't try this, is't possible to create new partition to become first partition, where the second partition will be the bootable one |
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| 13:24.59 | Rienzilha | why does the kernel no longer see link-up events as soon as you down an interface |
| 13:25.22 | stew | mynullvoid: which bootloader are you going to use? |
| 13:25.49 | stew | Rienzilha: becuase the interface is down? |
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| 13:26.01 | BramuS | how can i let ssh auto start on debian 4.0 |
| 13:26.04 | mynullvoid | grub |
| 13:26.22 | stew | mynullvoid: sure, grub can boot from any of the partitions |
| 13:26.30 | Rienzilha | yes but suppose I want to use ifplugd as intended: to down the interface if the link disappears, and to bring it up again when the link comes back |
| 13:26.30 | themill | BramuS: ssh client or ssh server? |
| 13:26.34 | BramuS | server |
| 13:26.35 | BramuS | sshd |
| 13:26.47 | BramuS | or isnt that installed with only a basic system |
| 13:26.47 | stew | mynullvoid: and by "bootable" if you are talking about the bootable flag in the partition editor, then forget that, grub doens't pay attention to it anyway |
| 13:26.49 | themill | BramuS: just install it |
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| 13:27.02 | Rienzilha | currently, it brings the interface down when the linkbeat disappears, and then stays down forever because it doesnt detect when the link comes back up |
| 13:27.36 | mynullvoid | stew: I am using deb2flash to create my usb to have debian, and I also want windows to treat that flash as storage; so I need to have a vfat partition at begining |
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| 13:27.42 | BramuS | and now a 2nd question how can i format/clean a 2nd harddisk of 40gb |
| 13:27.50 | BramuS | the main installation is on a 250gb |
| 13:28.04 | mynullvoid | mkfs? |
| 13:28.07 | BramuS | and on the 2nd there was an old installation, now i want to remove that and clean it also in grub |
| 13:28.09 | arafangion | BramuS, Make sure it's unmounted, then use mkfs.ext3 with the journal option. |
| 13:28.11 | Kian_ | mke2fs ? |
| 13:28.28 | Kian_ | maybe fdisk first |
| 13:28.47 | themill | Rienzilha: some monkeying with delays can be required for it to detect the link beat and bring the interface back up. There are knobs to twiddle in one of the config files for this... but I don't have it installed any more as I don't use it (I use network manager on my laptop for all that now) |
| 13:29.24 | BramuS | arafangion if i remove the harddisk (format or whatever) is it then also removed from grub? |
| 13:29.31 | Rienzilha | themill: I am twiddling with it, but as soon as ifplugd brings the interface down, it will never detect a link beat once it returns |
| 13:29.31 | BramuS | because there is it also still stated |
| 13:29.35 | BramuS | or do i need to do that by hand |
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| 13:36.53 | themill | Rienzilha: odd. I certainly used to have it working on my old laptop. But I know that its performance can be hardware (or driver) dependent. |
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| 13:41.08 | Rienzilha | themill: thanks anyway. I modified ifplugd's script to change a route metric instead of bringing the interface down |
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| 13:43.37 | Powertrip | is samba hard to configure on a clean etch install? |
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| 13:44.12 | arafangion | BramuS, Grub is an OS in it's own right, though it can be configured from linux using /boot/grub/menu.lst or something similar. |
| 13:44.41 | BramuS | will check that later |
| 13:44.47 | BramuS | have to place the server in the datacenter now |
| 13:44.51 | BramuS | it is only 40gb |
| 13:44.59 | BramuS | was ment for backups of the sites running on the box |
| 13:45.02 | BramuS | but that is for later |
| 13:45.04 | BramuS | gotta go |
| 13:45.08 | BramuS | gotta drive 1 hour 30mins |
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| 13:47.04 | arafangion | BramuS, That all? Pfft. |
| 13:47.28 | arafangion | lives over 4 hours away from his servers, and isn't paid to maintain them. |
| 13:47.44 | KiaN | is 20 meters away from the servers |
| 13:48.02 | Lagbolt | :( i dont have a server near me |
| 13:48.13 | arafangion | That's assuming that I can travel at 110kmph. |
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| 13:48.54 | [Jasper] | hello people, how can i install perl modules? |
| 13:49.08 | [Jasper] | I need IPC::Shareable and IPC::SysV |
| 13:49.10 | [Jasper] | for example |
| 13:49.14 | [Jasper] | how can I find these |
| 13:49.52 | petemc | [Jasper]: libipc-shareable-perl |
| 13:50.16 | petemc | you'll find most perl modules packaged with the same naming conventions |
| 13:50.22 | stew | !find IPC/SysV.pm |
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| 13:50.59 | fantasticmrfox | Lo, installing etch on a server using the USB cdrom - can't find a driver for it... what are my options (other than get another drive) |
| 13:51.07 | [Jasper] | petemc what about the other one: IPC::Sysv |
| 13:51.09 | [Jasper] | can't find that one |
| 13:51.18 | fantasticmrfox | I know the model of the drive, but can't find anythong on google for anything that would help |
| 13:51.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'IPC/SysV.pm' (1): (/usr/lib/perl/5.10.0/IPC/SysV.pm) in perl/perl. |
| 13:51.39 | jelly | !listvalues preferences |
| 13:51.40 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'preferences' by value (15): downgrade2 ;; myshopping ;; apt-pinning ;; backspace broke ;; stable + testing ;; disable spatial nautilus ;; prefbar ;; disable shop icon ;; mp3maker.app ;; nautilus desktop ;; potato + woody ;; p3p ;; testing/unstable mix ;; use unstable ;; galeon proxy. |
| 13:51.59 | stew | [Jasper]: see dpkg's reply IPC::SysV comes with the perl package |
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| 13:53.54 | [Jasper] | oh sorry, does Date::Parse also come with it |
| 13:54.27 | stew | [Jasper]: use apt-file to search for Date/Parse.pm : /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 13:56.42 | [Jasper] | hmm can't find it anywhere steew |
| 13:56.48 | [Jasper] | with apt-file search, stew eve |
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| 14:00.17 | themill | [Jasper]: did you apt-file update? |
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| 14:00.59 | themill | [Jasper]: you can also search package contents at packages.debian.org |
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| 14:01.23 | mynullvoid | Jasper use perl to get parse.pm |
| 14:01.57 | themill | mynullvoid: no, better to use the debian packages where they exist |
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| 14:03.15 | ma3x | !firefox3 on etch |
| 14:03.20 | ma3x | what was that trigger? |
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| 14:03.33 | KiaN | ! firefox3 etch |
| 14:03.37 | KiaN | !dpkg ? |
| 14:03.48 | arafangion | dpkg, Hello? |
| 14:03.48 | dpkg | Hi, arafangion! |
| 14:04.07 | KiaN | dpkg, have you met ALICE ? |
| 14:04.08 | dpkg | KiaN: i don't know |
| 14:04.16 | ma3x | !f3 etch |
| 14:04.26 | arafangion | dpkg, Help. |
| 14:04.26 | dpkg | enter /msg dpkg help in your IRC client, or http://www.debian.org/intro/about |
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| 14:05.20 | arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:05.39 | mynullvoid | get in the perl shell by:-> perl -MCPAN -e shell and then at the shell:-> install Date::Parse then quit |
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| 14:05.41 | mynullvoid | solve |
| 14:05.46 | stew | mynullvoid: no |
| 14:06.09 | stew | mynullvoid: please don't tell people to use CPAN to install perl modules available as debian packages |
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| 14:06.15 | mynullvoid | ok |
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| 14:06.31 | arafangion | mynullvoid, That approach is suitable only for perl hackers, which would already know that. It won't help solve package dependencies. |
| 14:06.41 | themill | mynullvoid: when they have to upgrade perl (such as for etch->lenny) they end up in a bug mess |
| 14:06.49 | mynullvoid | ok thanks for the advise |
| 14:07.13 | pumpkin0 | i have one big textfile (think > 5 GB) and want to spillt it at same points (like "CHECKPOINT 432"). What is the best way to do it? |
| 14:07.35 | mynullvoid | awk? |
| 14:07.44 | jelly | !best |
| 14:07.44 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 14:08.23 | KiaN | This bot seems old |
| 14:08.32 | pumpkin0 | jelly: OK, fastest. currently i awk for checkpoint 123 to checkpoint 124, then checkpoint 124 to 125 ... so the file get read about 200x. |
| 14:09.01 | stew | pumpkin0: sounds like a job for perl |
| 14:09.13 | jelly | pumpkin0: do you want the checkpoint line to be the first line in chunk, last one, or be skipped? |
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| 14:09.42 | pumpkin0 | jelly: does not matter. |
| 14:09.44 | jelly | pumpkin0: yeah, you should do that in a single run |
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| 14:11.38 | litb | haha |
| 14:11.43 | litb | just want to tell you everything works now :_p |
| 14:11.47 | litb | thanks for the help again |
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| 14:12.49 | greeg | hi |
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| 14:13.05 | greeg | why does Etch come with python? does anything depend on it? is it safe to remove? |
| 14:13.14 | K0NT0L | hi i am using debian 4.0r3 lenny, i need to downgrade ruby from 1.8.7 to 1.8.6, any solution to do so on debian? |
| 14:13.25 | greeg | waste of a port (2638). |
| 14:13.44 | yumigator | greeg: a ton of things depend on python |
| 14:13.51 | KiaN | Python listens on a TCP port ? |
| 14:13.52 | yumigator | well, only a few, but then more things depend on those |
| 14:14.06 | newsense | no |
| 14:14.07 | greeg | KiaN: according to netstat yes. |
| 14:14.19 | greeg | tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:2638 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2600/python |
| 14:14.23 | yumigator | then you're probably running a program written in python |
| 14:14.26 | newsense | no it dont |
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| 14:14.37 | KiaN | I guess yumigator is right |
| 14:14.51 | greeg | yumigator: how can i tell which program is running via pythong? |
| 14:14.52 | newsense | exactly |
| 14:15.08 | litb | ps aux | grep python greeg |
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| 14:15.15 | zxd | hi |
| 14:15.16 | greeg | hplip 2600 0.0 0.9 9712 2396 ? S 09:20 0:00 python /usr/sbin/hpssd |
| 14:15.19 | zxd | how do you pronounce linux |
| 14:15.35 | yumigator | like it's spelled |
| 14:15.37 | jelly | pumpkin0: something like http://pastebin.com/m3f406191 |
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| 14:15.48 | greeg | zxd: richard stallman pronounces the u as in uhh. |
| 14:15.50 | yumigator | greeg: you'll probably want to keep that one :D |
| 14:15.56 | greeg | thx |
| 14:16.04 | jelly | pumpkin0: then pipe your log to that scripts stdin |
| 14:16.27 | jelly | pumpkin0: it is _completely_ untested |
| 14:16.40 | litb | hmm |
| 14:16.58 | pumpkin0 | jelly: thanks a lot. It looks a lot saner then the stuff i try (and fail to) implement in perl. |
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| 14:18.14 | themill | anything that looks sane in perl probably isn't.... |
| 14:18.21 | jelly | pumpkin0: I forgot to increment $out when switching to next file, for example |
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| 14:18.54 | jelly | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/m4a286649 |
| 14:19.05 | pumpkin0 | jelly: thats easy, i need the checkpoint-number anyway. |
| 14:19.34 | jelly | pumpkin0: yeah, you can easily change the regexp and catch it in $1 |
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| 14:20.25 | themill | pumpkin0: if CHECKPOINT is at the start of the line then asserting that in the regexp will probably be a big improvement too (/^CHECKPOINT/) |
| 14:21.17 | jelly | pumpkin0: note that this will make the checkpoint like the first line in each file (except the first one maybe), so you can get it afterwards with head -1 outputfile.XXX anyway |
| 14:21.18 | pumpkin0 | it already does something ... ok, it filled the disc. |
| 14:21.26 | jelly | \o/ |
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| 14:22.23 | pumpkin0 | this inhouse developed server is funny. It can create logs so fast the log-IO becomes a real problem... |
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| 14:23.08 | Muisje | Wooh |
| 14:23.09 | jelly | pumpkin0: if you're logging via syslog, consider buffering the output (add - before the log file name in syslog.conf) |
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| 14:23.35 | jelly | pumpkin0: or reduce the log verbosity! :-) |
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| 14:24.47 | Muisje | Can anyone advise me something for backup mail? I have 3 servers available and i would like to make sure no mails fail because of downtime of 1 singular server |
| 14:25.26 | pumpkin0 | jelly: no, this is a crappy java based server for a cloud-computing thing. I will comment the calls to the logger via sed and reenable the good ones later. Thanks a lot guys. |
| 14:25.27 | joltcan | Muisje: you configure that with MX records in your dns setup. you have one primary and the others as secondary |
| 14:25.30 | barn | Muisje: MX records |
| 14:26.00 | Muisje | I know that, but what can i use best in combination with debian as server application? |
| 14:26.03 | Muisje | Postfix/exim etc... |
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| 14:26.51 | barn | Muisje: exim4 is probably already installed |
| 14:26.53 | barn | Muisje: postfix some argue is easier to use |
| 14:26.59 | greeg | according to netstat -lpn portmap is listening on 2 ports, yet ps aux | grep portmap doesnt show whats using it. |
| 14:27.19 | barn | greeg: lsof -i -Pn ? |
| 14:27.21 | peppe | Muisje: that depends, if you know very well the X mta you should use X |
| 14:27.41 | Muisje | Well, i know a bit of postfix, but not so much i would say i know postfix |
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| 14:28.35 | petemc | Muisje: both exim and postfix work very well, unless you have some very specialised needs it would be hard to pick one over the other |
| 14:29.26 | Muisje | Ok, thanks |
| 14:32.37 | jayaraj | hey do we have google talk for debian any where? |
| 14:33.02 | barn | as in a client? |
| 14:33.31 | jayaraj | yea client |
| 14:33.51 | jayaraj | i tried gtalk but its GNU talk! |
| 14:33.52 | barn | pidgin |
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| 14:34.17 | jayaraj | so i can get it via apt-get? |
| 14:34.30 | jayaraj | barn, lemme try |
| 14:34.32 | barn | in lenny or sid, yeah |
| 14:34.38 | barn | (or etch-backports) |
| 14:34.40 | barn | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=pidgin |
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| 14:35.34 | abrotman | jayaraj: gaim has it |
| 14:35.51 | abrotman | jayaraj: it's just another jabber server .. and gaim is already in etch |
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| 14:36.07 | jayaraj | oh! ic |
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| 14:36.27 | jayaraj | i was searching for the protocol in gaim... |
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| 14:36.36 | eshat | Hi all, is there a way to autolock a file, so that 2 user can not edit it at the same time ? |
| 14:36.56 | jayaraj | let me see abrotman |
| 14:36.57 | flower_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.00 | badmotherf | hi |
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| 14:38.27 | orveldv | eshat: permissions? |
| 14:39.02 | raqamy | hi, how to convert swf format to avi or mpeg? |
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| 14:39.39 | eshat | orveldv: ??? is there a way? |
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| 14:40.07 | orveldv | eshat: I don't know what you mean by "auto" |
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| 14:41.59 | eshat | orveldv: I just don't want to users edit the dhcp config file on our server, because on of them loses hist changes, if the other overwrites it, so I want the second to get a message: file already in use,... or something |
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| 14:42.16 | badmotherf | debian is nice |
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| 14:42.50 | abrotman | jayaraj: did you get it ? |
| 14:43.03 | badmotherf | 16:42:53 up 1 day, 2:20, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 |
| 14:43.09 | jayaraj | its not connecting abrotman |
| 14:43.10 | badmotherf | quite nice |
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| 14:43.31 | Lagbolt | up 1 day |
| 14:43.31 | jayaraj | i tried pidgin it works smooth |
| 14:43.51 | badmotherf | Lagbolt ye i bought server a day ago ;> |
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| 14:44.04 | abrotman | jayaraj: i've used gmail with gaim |
| 14:44.05 | orveldv | eshat: if that's a dhcp server, simple users shouldn't be able to alter the config file |
| 14:44.18 | themill | jayaraj: kopete works with google talk too |
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| 14:44.41 | eshat | orveldv: I am at university and we are 10 admins |
| 14:45.01 | jayaraj | yea i heared gaim will work for gtalk also but never got it right |
| 14:45.32 | jayaraj | themill thanks.... |
| 14:45.50 | jayaraj | pidgin works well barn |
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| 14:46.37 | orveldv | eshat: does the dhcp server run with root privileges? Is the config file owned by root? |
| 14:47.26 | phrozen77 | http://pastebin.com/m7827ea58 |
| 14:47.31 | badmotherf | the best cmd is rm -rf / |
| 14:47.32 | phrozen77 | using nmap, the above happens |
| 14:47.36 | phrozen77 | anyone has an idea why |
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| 14:47.50 | stew | do not listen to badmotherf |
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| 14:48.42 | barn | phrozen77: is your routing table odd in any way? |
| 14:48.53 | barn | or are you trying to specify a source IP/interface? |
| 14:49.03 | phrozen77 | 1) shouldnt 2) no |
| 14:49.17 | phrozen77 | Kernel IP Routentabelle |
| 14:49.17 | phrozen77 | Ziel Router Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface |
| 14:49.17 | phrozen77 | link-local * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
| 14:49.17 | phrozen77 | default * 0.0.0.0 U 1000 0 0 eth0 |
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| 14:49.24 | deus___ | >< |
| 14:49.25 | phrozen77 | oops |
| 14:49.31 | phrozen77 | sry for flood |
| 14:49.32 | Knight_Lord | After doing security updates in my debian stable LDAP server the local system is unable to use LDAP anymore, but remote clients can use it. Can anyone help me to figure out the problem? |
| 14:49.35 | Knight_Lord | I tried an ldapsearch query in the server and it seems to work so i don't quite know what the problem is |
| 14:49.39 | Knight_Lord | nsswitch looks fine |
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| 14:49.42 | Knight_Lord | and libnss-ldap.conf also seems correct |
| 14:49.46 | Knight_Lord | I'm also getting this messages nscd: nss_ldap: reconnecting to LDAP server... |
| 14:49.50 | Knight_Lord | where does nscd search for the ldap server? |
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| 14:50.34 | drg | hi there! do you know an apt repository for etch with postgresql 8.2 ? apparently 8.2 vanished, 8.1/8.3 are the only available in main/backports |
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| 14:51.25 | eshat | orveldv: yes the dhcp server runs with root permissions, but I think you don't get my problem |
| 14:51.56 | stew | drg: why not use 8.3? |
| 14:52.15 | eshat | Is there a way to lock a file for other users, while I am editing it with emacs,vi,nano or whatever ? |
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| 14:52.41 | stew | drg: (note: this is also currently being discussed on the backports mailing list) |
| 14:53.04 | jayaraj | barn, we cant do voice chat with pidgin? actually thats my requirement |
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| 14:53.33 | barn | jayaraj: I think it's being worked on, it's not finished |
| 14:53.59 | jayaraj | barn, ic |
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| 14:55.04 | jayaraj | themill, does kopete support voice cat? |
| 14:55.11 | jayaraj | themill, does kopete support voice chat? |
| 14:55.31 | Powertrip | Dynamic MMap ran out of room? |
| 14:55.36 | themill | jayaraj: no idea... never used it |
| 14:55.36 | Powertrip | on apt-get update |
| 14:55.39 | themill | !mmap |
| 14:55.39 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 14:55.40 | stew | Powertrip: /msg dpkg mmap |
| 14:55.41 | Lagbolt | jayaraj, pretty sure no for kopete |
| 14:55.49 | Brahmana | themill, ping |
| 14:56.01 | Powertrip | thanks |
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| 14:56.16 | jonathan_poon | hey guys.... |
| 14:56.19 | themill | Brahmana: are you still trying to backport all of lenny back to woody? |
| 14:56.31 | jonathan_poon | I was wondering if anyone here uses the 3ware 9550sx RAID card? |
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| 14:56.38 | Brahmana | themill, I am not sure whether this is of any interest to you, but I finally convinced the management to ditch working on woody... woo.. hooo.. :) |
| 14:56.42 | orveldv | eshat: I got your problem, all the admins are root ; but you could chmod the config file and make it non-writable while editing it; however this would work only for non-root owned files |
| 14:56.45 | stew | jonathan_poon: just assume yes, and ask your real question |
| 14:56.53 | jonathan_poon | For some reason...the card causes my computer to freeze after about 30 minutes of usage |
| 14:56.56 | jayaraj | Lagbolt, so is it like there is no client which support voice chat over gmail? |
| 14:57.07 | themill | Brahmana: hey! good stuff. So are you moving to etch or to lenny? |
| 14:57.08 | Brahmana | themill, some more time, and probably I would have had a lenny with 2.4 kernel.. ;) |
| 14:57.09 | stew | jonathan_poon: how do you know that the card is what is causing the computer to freeze? |
| 14:57.10 | barn | jayaraj: doubtful |
| 14:57.13 | jonathan_poon | I'm using the 3w-9xxx driver that comes default |
| 14:57.30 | Lagbolt | jayaraj, dont think so |
| 14:57.37 | jonathan_poon | well, I booted the computer using knoppix and ran the program stress for a few days |
| 14:57.39 | stew | Brahmana: not possible |
| 14:57.46 | jayaraj | oh! :( |
| 14:57.49 | Lagbolt | jayaraj, skype works good for vid/voice but obviously that is not gmail |
| 14:57.55 | Brahmana | themill, Not sure, which one they are going to choose, I briefed them about the current options. They said they are also looking at ubuntu.. |
| 14:57.57 | jonathan_poon | and my computer freezes when it has a very high i/o |
| 14:58.03 | eshat | orveldv: thank you |
| 14:58.05 | jayaraj | yea i have skype running :) atleast |
| 14:58.12 | jonathan_poon | well, I guess a better question is....how could I test the raid card/raid setup? |
| 14:58.18 | orveldv | eshat: (rephrase) if the user editing it is not root |
| 14:58.21 | stew | jonathan_poon: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 14:58.23 | Brahmana | stew, that was a joke based on my yester-attempts. |
| 14:58.25 | drg | stew: my customer insist that 8.1 does not have some functions needed, and 8.3 does not work ok with tsearch2 |
| 14:58.39 | jonathan_poon | 2.6.25-2 |
| 14:58.42 | themill | Brahmana: if it's long term stability that they're looking for then I don't know that I'd be putting my eggs in the ubuntu basket. (and I presume that's what they're looking for since they had you stuck with woody for so long) |
| 14:59.11 | eshat | orveldv: no it is not root, we have a special group which can use sudo |
| 14:59.13 | Brahmana | themill, I would certainly like to know the reason. |
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| 14:59.37 | eshat | orveldv: how does the chmod command look like to lock it ? |
| 14:59.46 | stew | Brahmana: if you are looking for longer term stability, like you don't want to have to upgrade so often, ubuntu LTS might be a better option |
| 14:59.51 | stew | just to be contrarian |
| 15:00.19 | themill | Brahmana: because it's got a good marketing machine and the people who make these decisions read silly magazines that give you free cds and think that what comes on them is always a good idea... |
| 15:00.27 | simonrvn | contrarian: a librarian for contracts |
| 15:01.00 | simonrvn | themill: like the good ol' days! :P |
| 15:01.13 | themill | Brahmana: but stew has a point... an LTS release might have advantages, but I've not heard many good things about the stability of the latest LTS release. |
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| 15:01.27 | stew | i have no actual experience with LTS |
| 15:01.42 | stew | drg: here are instructions on upgrading to 8.3 while using tsearch2: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/current/static/tsearch2.html |
| 15:01.53 | orveldv | eshat: it can't lock it, it just makes it non-writable ; but it would be writable by root |
| 15:02.01 | wols_ | a2if ypu do want to run ubuntu NEVER ugrade after a release comes out. just wait a few months, when they have the kinkgs bugfixed THEN upgrade. they just don't test enough |
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| 15:02.19 | stew | wait, free cds? where? |
| 15:02.26 | KiaN | lol |
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| 15:02.41 | Brahmana | themill, Their argument was that Ubuntu would make things easy for the IT though I do not know how. |
| 15:02.47 | eshat | orveldv: yeah that would be okay, so how does the chmod command look like to do this ? |
| 15:02.50 | KiaN | I wonder how |
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| 15:02.58 | themill | Brahmana: easier because of the free cds... |
| 15:03.01 | wols_ | stew: two caveats: they are alredy with uneraseable data on it and worse: it's not debian what is on there. so I doubt you'd want any :) |
| 15:03.05 | netcrash | Hello, any one has any ideas on how I can debug nsswitch ? |
| 15:03.12 | themill | hands stew a pile of used AOL cds |
| 15:03.17 | stew | for free? |
| 15:03.17 | Brahmana | May be they were referring to the ease of use that comes with ubuntu .. a GUI thing for every command line tool |
| 15:03.22 | Brahmana | specially the configuration ones.. |
| 15:03.22 | wols_ | yes for free |
| 15:03.28 | stew | \*/ |
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| 15:03.41 | wols_ | you write them a mail or wahtever, wait ca. 8 weeks and get a CD in the mail |
| 15:04.02 | wols_ | has been there since ubuntu started |
| 15:04.09 | drg | stew thanks |
| 15:04.13 | orveldv | eshat: man chmod ; see -w, or a simple 400 would do |
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| 15:04.17 | Brahmana | actually Ubuntu guys can ship you tens of CDs for free.. |
| 15:04.34 | eshat | orveldv: thanks |
| 15:04.36 | Brahmana | It was done in an University here for a Linux festival. |
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| 15:06.39 | LemensTS | Im wanting to do a folder of word docs..convert them to pdf. |
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| 15:08.02 | netcrash | Hello , any idea on how I can debug mysql with nsswitch ? |
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| 15:12.59 | Stumbles | I haven't had to configure X for a while, so was quite surprised to see that on a new Lenny install, there's not much in xorg.conf. Has the configuration been moved elsewhere, or is it just auto-detecting everything? |
| 15:13.04 | scibot | Hi, I finally found what I wanted in the form of this command: xrandr --output LVDS --set PANEL_FITTING full_aspect |
| 15:13.25 | petemc | Stumbles: its autodetection |
| 15:13.26 | scibot | I was wondering though if I could permanently stuff this into my xorg.conf or something? |
| 15:14.29 | Stumbles | petemc: thanks. So will values in xorg.conf over-ride the auto-detected values? |
| 15:14.39 | cr3rzemjest | hi, what's "cached RAM memory" ?!?! |
| 15:14.47 | petemc | Stumbles: yes |
| 15:15.14 | Stumbles | ta :) |
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| 15:15.53 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: in what context? I could be memory that is cached in L2, or it could be memory that is caching disk |
| 15:16.12 | cr3rzemjest | \amethyst, as in output of 'free' |
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| 15:16.29 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: it is free memory that is being used as a page (disk) cache |
| 15:16.50 | cr3rzemjest | \amethyst, isn't it what swap does? |
| 15:16.51 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: if you look at the next line, the 'free' column will be the sum of the first line's 'free' and 'cached' |
| 15:16.58 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: no, swap is the other way around |
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| 15:17.14 | uno-IT | RichiH, did any of christel's "i love you dork boy" hit you in all the years, or is it just the oper toys you like so much? |
| 15:17.16 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: swap is disk being used to hold stuff that isn't needed (or won't fit) in memory right now |
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| 15:20.11 | cr3rzemjest | \amethyst, so like, part of a disk, but in RAM? like, files? |
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| 15:20.37 | gnumm | is there a reason why new wine version aren't uploaded in sid and testing? |
| 15:20.43 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: Memory is arranged into 4KB pages'. the swap holds things that are supposed to be in memory but won't fit |
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| 15:21.18 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: swap holds pages that are supposed to be in memory (for example, a program's working data---it doesn't have a 'regular' place on disk, so it goes to swap when memory is low) |
| 15:21.43 | stew | or sometimes even when memory isn't low if the pages are being infrequently used |
| 15:21.53 | cr3rzemjest | i mean, cached memory is part of a disk? |
| 15:22.03 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: the cache holds stuff that is *also* on disk, but needs to be accessed faster than the disk |
| 15:22.04 | cr3rzemjest | so that things go faster |
| 15:22.07 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: right |
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| 15:22.19 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: for example, when you run a program, its executable file is loaded into cache |
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| 15:22.49 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: or when a program reads from a file, part of that file's contents might be loaded into cache |
| 15:23.04 | \amethyst | when a program needs real memory that isn't backed by a file, part of the cache will be freed |
| 15:23.41 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_cache might be worth reading |
| 15:23.49 | \amethyst | cr3rzemjest: as well as some of the stuff it links to |
| 15:25.32 | micols | anybody know how to write qdiscs / tc TBF queue rules? |
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| 15:27.00 | stew | micols: just ask your real question |
| 15:27.20 | micols | stew: i have asked it about 10 times already |
| 15:27.23 | peppe | micols: lartc? |
| 15:27.34 | micols | peppe: i have read all relevant info on lartc |
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| 15:27.45 | micols | and on man tc and man tc-tbf and tc-cbq |
| 15:27.53 | peppe | micols: so what's your *real* problem? |
| 15:28.01 | stew | micols: well i don't know the answer, becuase i don't know the question |
| 15:28.23 | micols | to write a TBF queue so that i throttle my virtual interface eth1:1 to 50Mbit and my physical interface eth1 to 100Mbit |
| 15:28.38 | micols | havnt got that to work yet, not even close. |
| 15:28.52 | micols | works a little with cbq, but not with tbf. |
| 15:29.21 | stew | micols: you can't do it by virtual interface |
| 15:29.36 | micols | i was told so that i could |
| 15:29.37 | stew | micols: tc isn't going to have any idea about virtual interfaces |
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| 15:29.41 | micols | :( |
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| 15:29.48 | micols | yes, thats my problem i guess |
| 15:29.57 | micols | but i want to use IP's dst /src |
| 15:29.57 | stew | micols: where did you see that you could? |
| 15:30.03 | micols | thats why i use virtual interfaces |
| 15:30.06 | peppe | stew: but maybe you can mark them in iptables, then use the marks in tc |
| 15:30.08 | wouterrr | Hello. My MySQL installation is totally b0rken. Now i try to remove it, but when doing apt-get remove mysql-server --purge it tries to start mysql.... |
| 15:30.11 | stew | peppe: you can |
| 15:30.16 | micols | stew: i was told so by a user named jks in a danish linux channel. |
| 15:30.23 | wouterrr | But doing so it fails uninstalling, because it crashes when started |
| 15:30.28 | wouterrr | anyone an idea how to remove mysql? |
| 15:30.46 | micols | stew: i am making load balancing on my nfs server to my thin client |
| 15:30.59 | peppe | wouterrr: the removal starts mysql? wtf? |
| 15:31.06 | peppe | stew: so the "virtual interface" is not actually a problem, isn't it? |
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| 15:31.13 | micols | stew: the thin client mounts rootfs from nfs server's eth1 and all other nfs shares from nfs servers eth1:1, eth1=192.168.0.1 , eth1:1=192.168.0.5 |
| 15:31.20 | wouterrr | peppe: Removing mysql-server ... |
| 15:31.20 | wouterrr | Setting up mysql-server-5.0 (5.0.32-7etch6) ... |
| 15:31.20 | wouterrr | Stopping MySQL database server: mysqld. |
| 15:31.21 | wouterrr | Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! |
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| 15:31.23 | micols | then i want to do bandwidth limiting using QoS using those ips |
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| 15:31.42 | peppe | wouterrr: use a pastebin! |
| 15:31.45 | micols | wouterrr: thanks for pasting 4 lines in here, try to use pastebin enxt time |
| 15:31.46 | stew | micols: i could be wrong about using virtual interfaces, but you should definately be able to classify traffic by IP |
| 15:31.58 | wouterrr | yeye |
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| 15:32.08 | gnumm | is there a reason why new wine version aren't uploaded in sid and testing? |
| 15:32.11 | micols | stew: i think so by virtual interfaces too.. as qdiscs appear on both interfaces once i add them! |
| 15:32.17 | peppe | wouterrr: btw, it doesn't seem that it was installed properly since it tries to set it up --- remove mysql-server-5.0 too |
| 15:32.18 | wouterrr | the uninstallation process should not start mysql however.... |
| 15:32.19 | micols | stew: but ip should be possible, i just dont know how.. |
| 15:32.22 | wouterrr | yeah |
| 15:32.32 | wouterrr | i can't install mysql either, it crashes. |
| 15:32.43 | stew | micols: it doesn't suprise me that they show up on both interfaces, becuase in reality they are the same interface |
| 15:32.55 | stew | wouterrr: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 15:32.56 | micols | stew: http://linux.rlogin.org/upload/bucket |
| 15:33.04 | micols | that doesnt work, it doesnt drop packets as it should, over bw limit |
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| 15:33.09 | peppe | wouterrr: apt-get remove --purge mysql-server mysql-server-5.0 and paste the output |
| 15:33.31 | micols | stew: yes i know, but i should be able to limit the whole interface as a start, that wont even work |
| 15:33.44 | micols | as a start i would just try to get 50Mbit limit on eth1 if possible |
| 15:33.51 | micols | using TBF.. that wont work.. only CBQ works |
| 15:33.52 | wouterrr | ok |
| 15:34.04 | micols | also.. should i use ingress in combination with TBF or not? |
| 15:34.15 | micols | i need to limit ingoing traffic as well as outgoing. |
| 15:34.55 | micols | http://linux.rlogin.org/upload/qdiscs/ as you can see i have been playing for a few hours :) |
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| 15:35.05 | micols | made 5-7 scripts, havnt got it working yet |
| 15:35.28 | peppe | micols: http://ebtables.sourceforge.net/br_fw_ia/PacketFlow.png the Big Picture, qdisc IMHO doesn't know anything about virtual interfaces |
| 15:35.57 | micols | no, i dont care about virtual interfaces peppe |
| 15:36.01 | micols | i care for IP traffic control |
| 15:36.05 | micols | using dst/src ip's |
| 15:36.16 | micols | thats why i use virtual interfaces |
| 15:36.25 | micols | so my traffic have different ips to qos on |
| 15:36.27 | wouterrr | peppe: seems to work with the command you gave, nice :- ) |
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| 15:37.01 | micols | peppe: should i use ingress with TBF ? |
| 15:37.09 | micols | i dont think so , but im not sure.. |
| 15:37.23 | micols | also tc-tbf manpages' example doesnt work at all. |
| 15:37.32 | micols | nothing happens. it doesnt limit my traffic at all |
| 15:37.56 | stew | micols: so you are trying to classify traffic to or from $tclip to flowid 1:5000, which you never define |
| 15:38.13 | micols | tc qdisc add dev eth0 root tbf rate 0.5mbit burst 5kb latency 70ms peakrate 1mbit minburst 1540 |
| 15:38.29 | micols | stew: notice my "exit" :) |
| 15:39.00 | micols | i got tired of adding #'s |
| 15:39.05 | micols | nothing worked out. |
| 15:39.22 | micols | basically its down to two lines now |
| 15:39.25 | micols | which wont even work. |
| 15:39.58 | micols | http://linux.rlogin.org/upload/bucket2 |
| 15:40.03 | micols | thats the real script |
| 15:41.34 | micols | also i read that I should use 10k burst or above for 10Mbit |
| 15:41.49 | micols | so im not sure what it should be for 50Mbit or 500Mbit (when i get my gigabit) :) |
| 15:41.56 | Rienzilha | ok |
| 15:41.58 | micols | wonder how you can calculate it |
| 15:42.27 | stew | micols: i've lost track of what you are actually trying to accomplish |
| 15:42.39 | micols | stew: limit eth1 to 50Mbit using TBF queue |
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| 15:43.05 | micols | tbf is token bucket filter , it drops all packets over a defined speed limit |
| 15:43.19 | stew | micols: you don't need TBF, you can use a pfifo |
| 15:43.21 | micols | and scales well for high bandwidth it is said |
| 15:43.35 | micols | stew: tbf should be the first choice for bw limit (highspeed) it is said |
| 15:43.40 | micols | it scales the best, and uses less cpu |
| 15:43.53 | micols | i am going to use it for gigabit in the end. |
| 15:45.02 | stew | micols: the script you showed me was using cbq not tbf however? |
| 15:45.37 | stew | micols: it at least didn't seem to have any rules to put traffic into the tbf |
| 15:45.57 | micols | well stew remove the first line then. |
| 15:46.00 | micols | it was just for experimenting |
| 15:46.03 | micols | didnt work out. |
| 15:46.16 | micols | the manpage says just to add the second line, it just doesnt work |
| 15:46.28 | micols | tc qdisc add dev eth0 root tbf rate 0.5mbit burst 5kb latency 70ms peakrate 1mbit minburst 1540 this line |
| 15:46.45 | micols | if you got qos in your kernel you could try it yourself if it throttles your line |
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| 15:48.29 | micols | stew: http://pastebin.com/m33c5224b |
| 15:48.35 | micols | thats some debug info perhaps it can help track it down |
| 15:48.42 | micols | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:48.45 | micols | it only drops 12 packets |
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| 15:50.09 | micols | i am using dd if=/dev/zero of=/nfs/share/filetest bs=1M count=10 for testing on the client |
| 15:50.19 | micols | so its a 10M write test. |
| 15:50.50 | stew | micols: yes, "tc qdisc add dev eth0 root tbf rate 0.5mbit burst 5kb latency 70ms peakrate 1mbit minburst 1540" slows down my interface significantly |
| 15:51.13 | stew | tried to scp a file locally, it went a 22MB/s, after running that line, its going at 15kb/s |
| 15:51.19 | peppe | micols: what is the speed limit with 2ms of latency? |
| 15:51.32 | micols | 9MB/s :) |
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| 15:51.41 | micols | on 100mbit interface |
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| 15:52.06 | micols | i tried 0.8ms too |
| 15:52.06 | stew | Sent 809096 bytes 919 pkt (dropped 254, overlimits 352 requeues 0) |
| 15:52.08 | micols | and 1ms etc |
| 15:52.34 | peppe | micols: 9MB/s is pretty near to the physical limit of the ethernet |
| 15:52.43 | micols | yes peppe it isnt throttled or dropped |
| 15:52.46 | peppe | micols: no, the other way: raise the latency |
| 15:52.47 | micols | as qdisc stat says |
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| 15:53.19 | micols | with 70ms i get 8.6MB/s |
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| 15:53.34 | stew | micols: i get 12KB/s |
| 15:53.38 | micols | qdisc tbf 2: root rate 50000Kbit burst 15Kb peakrate 51000Kbit minburst 6993b lat 71.7ms Sent 15622776 bytes 21464 pkt (dropped 0, overlimits 7749 requeues 0) |
| 15:53.52 | micols | no dropped which is bad |
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| 15:53.59 | micols | it should start dropping ALL packets over limit |
| 15:54.13 | micols | its basically a token bucket which gets filled |
| 15:55.16 | micols | stew: try to throttle to something faster.. i had mine working at 1-3mbit too |
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| 15:55.38 | micols | it should scale well lartc says |
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| 15:56.33 | micols | also u used 0.5mbit which is around 64kB/s |
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| 15:56.41 | micols | so i wonder why you only get 12kB/s |
| 15:57.00 | micols | may be your burst setting |
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| 15:57.18 | micols | or latency. |
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| 15:58.28 | micols | 64kB/s theoretically , around 90% of that in the real world or so. |
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| 15:58.53 | micols | nah it should scale to 100% if your bandwidth is huge enough. |
| 15:59.07 | stew | micols: i'm now running the line from your actual script: "tc qdisc add dev eth0 root handle 2: tbf rate 1mbit burst 5k latency 1ms peakrate 2mbit minburst 4000" |
| 15:59.19 | stew | micols: it limits my interface to just about exactly 256KB/s |
| 15:59.23 | stew | which is 2mbit |
| 15:59.52 | micols | my server is rather high cpu load, but i dont think thats why... cbq did work |
| 16:00.01 | micols | tbf should be better dealing with cpu load |
| 16:00.13 | stew | a high cpu load would not account for tc sending too much traffic |
| 16:00.33 | micols | well it did make cbq send up to 100-200% extra :) |
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| 16:00.41 | stew | micols: what are you actually trying to do? |
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| 16:00.51 | micols | stew: i have said that 3 timed now |
| 16:00.52 | stew | micols: what is the script you are trying to use to do this? |
| 16:01.19 | micols | stew: just limit eth1 to 50Mbit ingoing/outgoing (total limit duplex mode) |
| 16:01.32 | stew | micols: what commands are you using to limit eth1 to 50mbit? |
| 16:01.43 | micols | tc qdisc add dev $DEVSHARES root handle 2: tbf rate 50mbit \ burst 15k latency 70ms peakrate 51mbit \ minburst 7000 |
| 16:01.54 | micols | yes the \ are just because i pasted in here.. they work. |
| 16:02.19 | micols | i tried latency 1 and 2ms just before, they didnt limit it either |
| 16:02.47 | stew | micols: you should remove whatever qdiscs are already installed first, then add a new root qdisc |
| 16:02.54 | micols | i do that stew |
| 16:03.04 | micols | as you could see what i pasted only one qdisc is installed |
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| 16:03.44 | micols | i do tc qdisc del dev $i root and ingress every time i run my script |
| 16:03.44 | micols | where $i is my device list |
| 16:03.44 | stew | micols: show me the exact commands |
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| 16:04.41 | micols | stew: http://linux.rlogin.org/upload/bucket2 |
| 16:05.13 | micols | but you keep asking for the command, i have given you it 3 times.. here it is also.. http://pastebin.com/m33c5224b |
| 16:05.20 | micols | even with qdisc stats after it. |
| 16:05.31 | stew | yeah, but the commands change every time i ask |
| 16:05.44 | micols | yes.. i am experimenting to make it work. |
| 16:05.50 | stew | which makes it hard to actually keep track of what you are doing |
| 16:06.00 | micols | i only change that one line |
| 16:06.25 | micols | for reasonable values, i suppose i should use latency of 1-2ms , burst of 10k+ minburst of 8000 or so perhaps even 10000 |
| 16:06.26 | stew | no |
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| 16:06.42 | micols | somewhere it said burst of at least 10k for 10Mbit |
| 16:06.59 | micols | so i will perhaps need 50k for 50Mbit, and perhaps not.. no documentation |
| 16:07.03 | stew | so with your current script, i'm getting 5.5 MB/s |
| 16:07.13 | micols | thats funny |
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| 16:07.23 | micols | show me your qdisc stats |
| 16:07.33 | stew | Sent 195790652 bytes 40957 pkt (dropped 650, overlimits 79417 requeues 0) |
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| 16:07.44 | micols | makes no sense it works for you but not for me |
| 16:07.50 | micols | except i should have a broken kernel |
| 16:08.01 | stew | 2.6.25-2-amd64 here |
| 16:08.16 | micols | michael@cpq:~% uname -a |
| 16:08.17 | micols | Linux cpq 2.6.25.10 |
| 16:08.26 | stew | and this is with: |
| 16:08.27 | stew | qdisc tbf 2: root rate 50000Kbit burst 15Kb peakrate 51000Kbit minburst 7987b lat 2.0ms |
| 16:08.28 | micols | its rather new. |
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| 16:08.53 | stew | micols: how are you testing this/ |
| 16:09.01 | micols | stew: i just run the script |
| 16:09.10 | micols | and then i use 'dd' on the client |
| 16:09.20 | feld | is there a way to clear the autoremove list without removing any packages? i installed the gnome metapackage and then needed to remove a few things and now i have a TON of packages it wants to autoremove that I dont want removed. |
| 16:09.22 | micols | which has mounted nfs shares from the server's eth1 |
| 16:09.25 | n3kl | Anyone know how I can make ntp listen only on a specific port? |
| 16:09.31 | n3kl | er, not port, ip |
| 16:09.37 | micols | so i write to server's eth1.. i send data to servers eth1 from client stew |
| 16:09.59 | micols | 1217519409 < micols> i am using dd if=/dev/zero of=/nfs/share/filetest bs=1M count=10 for testing on the client |
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| 16:10.55 | micols | stew: it seems that i can read on the client at the correct rate |
| 16:11.00 | micols | but just not write at correct rate |
| 16:11.06 | micols | so i need 'ingress' also on the server it seems? |
| 16:11.17 | micols | to throttle incoming traffic on eth1 as well. |
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| 16:11.35 | micols | whenever i do writes its 100mbit/s from the client, but read from client is 50mbit/s |
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| 16:11.51 | stew | no, you don't need ingress |
| 16:11.54 | micols | 24251203 bytes (24 MB) copied, 4.33884 seconds, 5.6 MB/s thats a read( with peakrate51mbit) |
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| 16:12.00 | micols | but writes are 8.6-9.2MB/s |
| 16:12.02 | stew | 10485760 bytes (10 MB) copied, 2.6394 s, 4.0 MB/s |
| 16:12.17 | micols | then there is something very wrong.- |
| 16:12.22 | micols | are you sure i dont need ingress? |
| 16:12.40 | stew | 104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 19.6026 s, 5.3 MB/s |
| 16:12.49 | stew | that is over NFS as well, with your script |
| 16:12.54 | stew | micols: you don't need ingress |
| 16:13.01 | micols | which are writes and which arent? |
| 16:13.27 | stew | that is dd if=/dev/zero of=/music/stew/junk bs=1M count=100 (the first was count=10) and /music is NFS mounted |
| 16:13.38 | n3kl | wait, whats the problem? |
| 16:13.54 | stew | n3kl: he can't seem to limit egress using tbf |
| 16:13.57 | micols | n3kl: my read requests are throttled to 50mbit but writes are still 100mbit |
| 16:14.12 | micols | tested using dd on nfs files from client. |
| 16:14.26 | micols | using zero as if or file as if |
| 16:14.30 | n3kl | micols: how can you tell its throttled? |
| 16:14.41 | micols | n3kl: read goes down to 5.6MB/s |
| 16:14.50 | micols | n3kl: when qdisc is disabled they're 9.6MB/s |
| 16:14.53 | stew | micols: show me the output of "ip a ; ip r ; mount" |
| 16:14.55 | n3kl | what filesystem? |
| 16:15.03 | stew | n3kl: NFS |
| 16:15.03 | micols | n3kl: NFS |
| 16:15.08 | micols | but server is XFS |
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| 16:15.40 | n3kl | micols: is the server running some kind of raid? |
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| 16:15.59 | micols | stew: http://pastebin.com/mec33037 |
| 16:16.15 | stew | n3kl: are you going to suggest that maybe raid is making his network too fast? |
| 16:16.29 | micols | n3kl: raid1,raid10,raid5 yes |
| 16:16.30 | stew | n3kl: i think you aren't quite following |
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| 16:16.51 | n3kl | perhaps |
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| 16:17.34 | stew | micols: oh wait |
| 16:17.41 | stew | micols: you are doing all of this on the NFS server!? |
| 16:17.53 | micols | no i am write / read testing on the client |
| 16:18.03 | stew | micols: but you are doing the BW limiting on the server? |
| 16:18.09 | micols | yes stew , of course. |
| 16:18.11 | stew | oh |
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| 16:18.19 | stew | micols: then yes, you need to limit ingress, of course |
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| 16:18.34 | micols | yes thats what i thought, i just wonder about your results without ingress :-) |
| 16:18.43 | stew | i'm doing everything on the NFS client |
| 16:18.45 | stew | micols: but you don't want to use a tbf on ingress, just use a pfifo |
| 16:18.58 | stew | limiting on ingress is far less versatile |
| 16:19.17 | micols | tc qdisc add dev $DEVSHARES handle ffff: ingress |
| 16:19.27 | n3kl | stew: what is tbf? |
| 16:19.27 | micols | tc filter add dev $DEVSHARES parent ffff: protocol ip prio 50 u32 match ip src $tclip police rate $SHARESPEED burst 10k drop flowid :1 |
| 16:19.36 | micols | so i match on $tclip |
| 16:19.52 | micols | so i could try to perhaps limit only eth1:1 as it has different ip than eth1? |
| 16:20.11 | micols | in the end i am trying to only limit eth1:1 on the server/served files to client from that virtual interface |
| 16:20.40 | micols | so i am going to match on src/dst ip which is eth1:1 (192.168.0.5) |
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| 16:21.17 | micols | i cannot do any port matching at all, as the whole client's filesystem is using port 2049, all shares are using that port |
| 16:21.26 | micols | its a thin client with nfs root and a few nfs shares. |
| 16:21.48 | micols | /dev/nfsroot is mounted from server's eth1:1 (192.168.0.5) and all other shares from server's eth1 |
| 16:22.00 | micols | that way i can just limit eth1:1 ip 192.168.0.5 dst/src |
| 16:22.17 | micols | sorry |
| 16:22.23 | micols | nfs root is eth1, all other are eth1:1 |
| 16:22.34 | micols | nfs root = 192.168.0.1 , all other = 192.168.0.5 |
| 16:23.11 | micols | so a TBF on 192.168.0.5 and ingress as well on that ip should be able do to the work? |
| 16:23.29 | n3kl | Please excuse my ignorance, but wtf are you trying to do? |
| 16:23.31 | micols | without limiting the whole physical interface and slowing down nfsroot (192.168.0.1, eth1) |
| 16:23.32 | stew | n3kl: a queueing discipline for QoS (traffic shaping), "man tbf" if you have iproute installed |
| 16:23.42 | stew | n3kl: he's trying to do QoS |
| 16:23.54 | micols | n3kl: trying to make my thin client not lag when it is using its nfs shares other than /dev/nfsroot |
| 16:23.56 | n3kl | Ahhhh! |
| 16:24.15 | micols | n3kl: by using some load balancing, tell server to throttle all shares to half connection speed and root to full speed |
| 16:24.23 | micols | that way the other shares cannot take up the whole bandwidth and slow nfsroot down |
| 16:24.39 | n3kl | I see |
| 16:25.18 | micols | just a second and i will test the ingress, then it might all be starting to work stew :) |
| 16:25.30 | micols | with your help :) |
| 16:26.12 | n3kl | please define ingress and egress so I can learn something ;) |
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| 16:26.47 | micols | ingress is just a stupid way of limiting ingoing traffic i think.. basically you cannot normally limit ingoing traffic |
| 16:26.58 | micols | but because of the way tcp is designed you can still :) |
| 16:27.02 | n3kl | from which pov, server? |
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| 16:27.03 | micols | just drop the packets. |
| 16:27.19 | micols | normally you only have control of the packets you send. |
| 16:27.47 | micols | yes n3kl from server |
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| 16:28.07 | stew | micols: why not limit egress on the client as well? |
| 16:28.17 | micols | stew: easier serverside |
| 16:28.24 | stew | but better clientside |
| 16:28.29 | charzero | Somehow I ended up with my number pad moving the mouse in X. How do I revert to inputting numbers? |
| 16:28.34 | micols | stew: why? |
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| 16:28.49 | micols | yes i see if i have more than one client |
| 16:28.52 | micols | i guess :) |
| 16:29.17 | micols | might do it when i get my HTPC running, its going to be diskless as well |
| 16:29.29 | micols | diskless debian of course |
| 16:30.16 | n3kl | micols: so you take it you are going to have other nfs mounts to the same server on you diskless client |
| 16:30.40 | micols | n3kl: yes i mount nfs shares from the server by 2 server ips |
| 16:30.59 | stew | micols: becuase you just don't have the kind of control of ingress as you do egress |
| 16:31.10 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m8c1f35f |
| 16:31.15 | micols | thats my clients fstab |
| 16:31.40 | micols | stew: which kind of control specifically? |
| 16:31.50 | micols | stew: dont you think an ingress rule would do? |
| 16:31.55 | stew | micols: if you can limit the client side, the client can do things like use htb to do "i have too much NFS traffic. lets put the non root traffic on hold, let the root traffic jump to the front of the line, then when that is done, send the non-root traffic" |
| 16:32.48 | micols | hm not much into htb.. i used cbq |
| 16:33.35 | stew | i don't know of any reason to use cbq over htb |
| 16:33.37 | micols | stew: but yes i tried assigning priorities |
| 16:33.45 | micols | to my traffic, making root higher |
| 16:33.49 | stew | (other than maybe you are using a really old 2.4 kernel) |
| 16:34.10 | micols | my first attempt was two cbq qdiscs with different pri's i think |
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| 16:34.23 | micols | didnt work out however. |
| 16:34.44 | micols | i think it worked for a while but then i changed something and it stopped working :) |
| 16:35.07 | micols | it was fast when i used my nfs shares 100%, my root still was light fast.. and 0.4ms to server. |
| 16:35.14 | micols | but wasnt very accurate. |
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| 16:35.39 | micols | my server runs a 77MB sql database which puts its load on 100% all the time.. cbq isnt the right choice then :) |
| 16:35.59 | micols | i guess qos isnt the right choice actually on a server with that high load |
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| 16:36.43 | yaaar | hi guys. i have a debian stable (etch) box serving as a router for a /27 public network. Its external interface routes out on a /30 to my ISP...but for security reasons they are dropping everything (except pings/traces) originating from that /30 subnet. The only problem with that is that now I can't run apt-get update on that box...is there any way to force apt-get to originate its request... |
| 16:36.44 | yaaar | ...from the "inside" ip/iface? |
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| 16:42.53 | micols | stew: tc filter add dev $DEVSHARES parent ffff: protocol ip prio 50 u32 \ match ip src $tclip police rate $SHARESPEED burst 10k drop flowid :1 |
| 16:43.01 | micols | flowid :1 what should I add then? |
| 16:43.20 | micols | i have added a handle :2 is that it (my tbf queue) |
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| 16:43.50 | micols | flowid refers to classes dont it? |
| 16:43.56 | micols | i have no classes :( |
| 16:43.59 | micols | and tbf is classless. |
| 16:44.29 | micols | so perhaps i should add a cbq class |
| 16:44.32 | micols | or htb class |
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| 16:45.31 | yaaar | on a box with multiple ips, is there any way to force apt-get to originate from a particular one? |
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| 16:48.13 | micols | also i change ip src to ip dst |
| 16:48.17 | micols | as its ingress |
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| 16:49.03 | micols | stew: no i have a pfifo_fast qdisc |
| 16:49.05 | micols | after adding ingress. |
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| 16:49.25 | greeg | hi |
| 16:49.32 | micols | unfortunately it removes my tbf queue. |
| 16:49.32 | greeg | im not getting any results with the -i option of lsof. |
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| 16:49.59 | greeg | lsof -iTCP or lsof -i :22 |
| 16:50.03 | greeg | or just -i |
| 16:51.49 | greeg | nm |
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| 16:53.44 | inigo | mmm one of mi servers wants to install the "Recomends" packages using aptitude from the command line |
| 16:53.48 | inigo | and others no |
| 16:53.57 | inigo | what I have to reconfigure ? |
| 16:54.13 | micols | http://pastebin.com/m43e38677 stew any idea whats wrong here? |
| 16:54.13 | inigo | I can't find the diferences into /etc/apt betwen them |
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| 16:54.56 | \amethyst | inigo: ~/.aptitude/config overrides /etc/apt/apt.conf I believe |
| 16:55.06 | inigo | uoops |
| 16:55.08 | inigo | thanks |
| 16:56.01 | inigo | mmm is empty on both servers |
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| 16:56.38 | inigo | dpkg-reconfigure -plow apitude does nothing |
| 16:56.51 | micols | any idea whats wrong with this script: http://pastebin.com/m43e38677 ? |
| 16:57.25 | inigo | micols, quotes on the echo "blabla" and in foo="$1" |
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| 16:57.44 | \amethyst | micols: what is $DEVROOT ? |
| 16:57.56 | micols | \amethyst: its not set.. but thats not the problem |
| 16:58.03 | micols | i ment whats wrong with the tc rules and qdiscs :) |
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| 17:03.31 | Gragra | hi |
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| 17:05.38 | guzu | hello all |
| 17:05.49 | [Jasper] | guys |
| 17:05.53 | [Jasper] | how can I go to a certain line |
| 17:05.55 | [Jasper] | in a file? |
| 17:06.05 | n3kl | vi file +22 |
| 17:06.17 | n3kl | [Jasper]: or while in vi, :22 |
| 17:06.27 | guzu | how do i install x on an incomplete lenny install? |
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| 17:06.37 | n3kl | !xorg |
| 17:06.37 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.3. Ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg (freenode), or ask about <drxx> to reconfigure. |
| 17:06.45 | jelly | !tell guzu -about install x |
| 17:06.49 | n3kl | ah |
| 17:06.52 | guzu | thnx |
| 17:07.34 | karmatronic | guzu: you re welcome |
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| 17:08.25 | rytis | hello. how to transfer files from ftp to VPS (via ssh)? |
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| 17:08.47 | karmatronic | rytis: VPOS? |
| 17:08.51 | fredfunc2 | To securely store data on windows machine I can use CryptProtectData(), to securely store data on a Mac I can call SecKeychainAddGenericPassword(), it appears to me that linux has no answer to securely storing data without prompting for a password, is this really the case? |
| 17:08.52 | karmatronic | VPS? |
| 17:09.02 | stew | rytis: what do you mean? |
| 17:09.09 | rytis | virtual private server |
| 17:09.19 | stew | rytis: what do you mean by "from ftp"? |
| 17:09.22 | karmatronic | rytis: VPN server ? |
| 17:09.34 | rytis | I have files in ftp. I need to transfer it to my server |
| 17:09.39 | rytis | via SSH |
| 17:09.43 | stew | micols: what makes you think somehting is wrong? |
| 17:09.43 | rytis | it's possible? |
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| 17:09.50 | stew | rytis: what do you mean by "in ftp" |
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| 17:10.02 | \amethyst | fredfunc2: GNOME or KDE might, but Linux itself does not |
| 17:10.08 | rytis | lol |
| 17:10.14 | rytis | I have no idea how to explain :)) |
| 17:10.22 | \amethyst | fredfunc2: I know Gnome has keychain management, and KDE almost certainly does, too |
| 17:10.35 | stew | rytis: if you are looking for a method of transferring files via ssh, look at scp or sftp |
| 17:10.39 | rytis | I have files in hosting (another server). I can connect via ftp. I need to transfer files to another server |
| 17:10.50 | valdyn | rytis: so do it |
| 17:11.00 | micols | stew: that it removes my TBF qdisc |
| 17:11.05 | rytis | how? :D |
| 17:11.10 | stew | rytis: are you asking how to use ftp? |
| 17:11.10 | valdyn | rytis: man ftp? |
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| 17:11.14 | rytis | no... |
| 17:11.16 | micols | stew: and now it isnt limited at all my eth1 |
| 17:11.16 | stew | micols: show me |
| 17:11.24 | valdyn | rytis: why not_ |
| 17:11.25 | micols | stew: http://pastebin.com/m292bf82b |
| 17:11.26 | valdyn | rytis: why not? |
| 17:11.36 | rytis | I need to transfer data from ftp to another serverr |
| 17:11.51 | karmatronic | rytis: check if the ftp server allows executing shell commands,so you can run scp to your ssh server fro mthe ftp one |
| 17:11.51 | micols | stew: now speed is back to 10MB/s on both writes/reads on client |
| 17:11.51 | valdyn | rytis: geez |
| 17:11.55 | valdyn | rytis: you need to download then upload it |
| 17:11.55 | stew | micols: what command is producing the errors? |
| 17:11.59 | stew | micols: RTNETLINK answers: Invalid argument |
| 17:12.09 | rytis | valdyn: it's 1,4gb, my internet is too slow |
| 17:12.14 | micols | the ingress or cbq part stew |
| 17:12.22 | stew | micols: what command? |
| 17:12.24 | Anthro | Anyone know why I'd be getting this from apt-get update (complaining that it isn't in gzip format): Err http://security.debian.org etch/updates/main Sources |
| 17:12.27 | valdyn | rytis: you said you can log into one of both via ssh? |
| 17:12.43 | karmatronic | rytis: although even if the ftp server might support that,they wilÃl probably have FW rules to prevent that kind of use |
| 17:12.50 | rytis | jesus help my soul! |
| 17:13.05 | jelly | erm. |
| 17:13.05 | karmatronic | Anthro: Sources ? |
| 17:13.13 | Anthro | karmatronic: Yeah |
| 17:13.14 | karmatronic | Anthro: !deb-src |
| 17:13.20 | karmatronic | !deb-src |
| 17:13.21 | dpkg | i heard deb-src is 'deb-src http://http.<CC>.debian.org/debian/ stable main contrib non-free' (example) where '<CC>' is the Country Code, replace with your own for a local mirror - ask me about <source> or <apt-build> for some info about how to build stuff, make sure "build-essential" is installed, ask me about <module-assistant>. Might need to have linux-headers-`uname -r` (if using a debian kernel) and "libc6-dev" installed. |
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| 17:13.32 | micols | stew: its a normal error, nothing to worry about |
| 17:13.46 | micols | stew: the TBF part is making the error. |
| 17:13.52 | micols | tc qdisc add dev $DEVSHARES root handle 1: tbf rate $SHARESPEED \ burst 8k latency 2ms peakrate $SHARESPEED minburst 3000 |
| 17:14.14 | Anthro | karmatronic: So, what, there's no deb-src for security? |
| 17:14.26 | stew | Anthro: there is |
| 17:14.39 | stew | micols: that is not a normal error |
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| 17:15.16 | karmatronic | Anthro: deb-src http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 17:15.42 | karmatronic | Anthro: or changing etch to stable |
| 17:15.44 | Anthro | karmatronic: I'm not sure what you're trying to tell me here. I know about deb-src. I have that line (plus non-free) in my /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 17:16.28 | micols | stew: perhaps i can have only 1 qdisc... |
| 17:16.50 | micols | which is the reason ingress removes my tbf qdisc |
| 17:17.05 | micols | so i wonder what to do, they both need qdiscs |
| 17:17.19 | Anthro | tries changing etch to stable throughout his /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 17:19.17 | stew | micols: what command gives you "no such file or directory"? |
| 17:19.18 | _ZeuZ_ | where do I set noatime options? in fstab? |
| 17:19.29 | stew | _ZeuZ_: yes, in the options column |
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| 17:19.53 | stew | micols: oh, you are trying to shape ingress traffic? |
| 17:20.00 | karmatronic | Anthro: no no it useless changing to "stable", i just meant i was surprised by the format of the line,but thay s my mistake |
| 17:20.10 | stew | micols: you cannot, you can only police it |
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| 17:20.21 | micols | well what do you suggest i do then? |
| 17:20.30 | micols | i need both TBF and ingress on same interface |
| 17:20.40 | Anthro | karmatronic: ...and yet it worked. |
| 17:20.45 | stew | micols: there is no problem with TBF and ingress on the same interface |
| 17:20.48 | _ZeuZ_ | stew: thanks, what about for example notail option? does it worth it? |
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| 17:21.23 | stew | _ZeuZ_: what is notail? i've never heard of it? |
| 17:21.28 | karmatronic | Anthro: cool :) |
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| 17:21.39 | micols | stew: so whats the problem with that line? wondershaper does it like this.. |
| 17:21.45 | karmatronic | !notail |
| 17:21.48 | micols | just not tbf, but cbq |
| 17:21.55 | _ZeuZ_ | stew, read it on a weird gentoo tutorial and wanted to ask xD |
| 17:22.06 | _ZeuZ_ | why CBQ and not HTB? |
| 17:22.35 | _ZeuZ_ | I've found more "equitative" to set HTB with some queues using SFQ |
| 17:22.38 | micols | _ZeuZ_: because i had it working |
| 17:22.42 | stew | micols: can you show me the actual script you are running? |
| 17:23.05 | micols | stew: http://pastebin.com/m35b33200 |
| 17:24.00 | stew | micols: and which line are you asking about? |
| 17:24.11 | micols | last two |
| 17:24.20 | micols | actually including the cbq one |
| 17:24.25 | micols | so 24-29 |
| 17:24.37 | stew | micols: and what is the question? |
| 17:24.42 | _ZeuZ_ | micols, I don-t see the problem there |
| 17:24.51 | _ZeuZ_ | you-re just lacking of using iptables to mark the traffic |
| 17:24.58 | _ZeuZ_ | oh, and through tc set the mark |
| 17:25.12 | micols | _ZeuZ_: huh? |
| 17:25.33 | stew | _ZeuZ_: he's not using firewall marks to classify traffic |
| 17:25.38 | micols | stew: my tbf gets deleted |
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| 17:25.44 | micols | whenever i run the script. |
| 17:26.32 | mns | >/join #tcl |
| 17:26.34 | _ZeuZ_ | stew, micols: Oh. sorry then... I just have experiences marking traffic through and with the firewall |
| 17:26.37 | _ZeuZ_ | not directly... |
| 17:26.39 | micols | stew: http://pastebin.com/m292bf82b |
| 17:27.32 | micols | that invalid argument error comes from first line which you have already seen and said/tested and was good and working. |
| 17:27.36 | micols | the tbf qdisc line |
| 17:27.51 | Gragra | hi i need a little help. I was intall lenny to my hd at sata0 port and i have another one on the sata1 port. my two drives named sata port0 sda sata1 port sdb. I the boot loader the two drives "swapped" i was edit my menu.lst but i cant set the swap partition to the correct disc. I get an error msg (cant resume device file?) at boot about the swap i type the correct partition. how can i fix it? |
| 17:28.02 | fat-lobyte | Hi! I am using Debian on my Desktop box and I wanted to install it on my Laptop also. Is there a possibility to use the package cache so I do not have to download all the packages again? |
| 17:28.09 | stew | micols: so you are asking why "tc qdisc add dev $DEVSHARES root handle 2: tbf rate $SHARESPEED burst 8k latency 2ms peakrate $SHARESPEED minburst 3000" fails with "Invalid argument"? |
| 17:28.13 | greeg | i have a file named one liners opened with emacs, yet fuser -u /home/jerware/oneliners displays nothing |
| 17:28.17 | greeg | nor does lsof -u jerware | grep oneline |
| 17:28.17 | micols | /var/cache/apt |
| 17:28.26 | micols | -> fat-lobyte |
| 17:28.29 | greeg | and i have even written to the file and no saved. |
| 17:28.40 | micols | yes stew |
| 17:28.42 | fat-lobyte | micols: yes I know, the files are located there. But AFAIK you cant just copy them over |
| 17:29.07 | fat-lobyte | do you have to "register" the packages somehow with apt, so they are recognized? |
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| 17:29.42 | _ZeuZ_ | fat-lobyte: create a CD-ROM repositorie with those packages |
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| 17:29.51 | _ZeuZ_ | there are tutorials pretty much in lots of places |
| 17:29.54 | karmatronic | greeg: i think fuser warns you about devices,bot files |
| 17:30.08 | karmatronic | greeg: same thing for lsof |
| 17:30.10 | stew | micols: i'd guess becuase peakrate should be greater than rate |
| 17:30.16 | stew | micols: or omitted |
| 17:30.20 | greeg | karmatronic: so not text files. |
| 17:30.22 | greeg | ok. |
| 17:30.27 | guzu | hmm, x is still not/no longer working with trident ... |
| 17:30.42 | fat-lobyte | _ZeuZ_: could you give me a pointer to the program/script that I can use for that? |
| 17:31.03 | micols | correct stew , that fixed it |
| 17:31.10 | _ZeuZ_ | !create cdrom repositorie > fat-lobyte |
| 17:31.22 | micols | stew: now it has both ingress and tbf it seems |
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| 17:31.46 | _ZeuZ_ | fat-lobyte: I think dpkg should have a message awaiting for you to instruct |
| 17:31.47 | greeg | how can i have a command keep updating like top ? |
| 17:31.58 | nareshov | greeg: watch |
| 17:32.01 | greeg | thx |
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| 17:32.30 | fat-lobyte | _ZeuZ_: You made a typo (repositorIE). I sent a message myself, thanks |
| 17:32.50 | _ZeuZ_ | fat-lobyte: sorry for the typo, and good luck. |
| 17:32.50 | fat-lobyte | _ZeuZ_: he only gives a link to TLDP.org |
| 17:33.01 | _ZeuZ_ | well you should find info there |
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| 17:33.30 | _ZeuZ_ | fat-lobyte: or try here: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html |
| 17:33.48 | _ZeuZ_ | Or more directly here: http://hausheer.osola.com/docs/14 |
| 17:33.48 | micols | stew: it seems limited now.. write speed 2MB/s , read speed 5MB/s |
| 17:34.03 | micols | stew: i wonder why its 2MB/s |
| 17:34.14 | fat-lobyte | _ZeuZ_: thanks a lot, that looks good |
| 17:34.46 | micols | stew: but the qdisc stats looks nice as they should! |
| 17:34.49 | micols | at last. |
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| 17:35.02 | micols | stew: http://pastebin.com/m7e0407d3 |
| 17:35.40 | micols | stew: is it not possible to use TBF on ingress too? |
| 17:35.42 | DukGalNamu | ok, so is debians php4 compiled with ssl support? or do i need to add another package to get that support? |
| 17:35.46 | micols | tbf is classless so i dont think so? |
| 17:35.49 | micols | but that sucks :) |
| 17:36.28 | stew | micols: you can't shape ingress, you can only police it. |
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| 17:36.39 | stew | micols: you cannot delay incoming packets, you can only optionally throw them away |
| 17:36.47 | micols | stew: yes, drop them |
| 17:37.04 | DukGalNamu | anyone? |
| 17:37.33 | micols | stew: what does this mean in other words? that it can never be any accurate? |
| 17:37.49 | micols | stew: that it could be anywhere from 2MB/s to 8MB/s ? |
| 17:38.06 | stew | micols: you can be accurate, how are you measuring the 2MB/s? |
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| 17:38.34 | micols | stew: michael@mws:/nfs/bigdaddy% dd if=/dev/zero of=testfil bs=1M count=10 |
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| 17:38.59 | stew | micols: you can't accurately measure the speed of the server interface from the client |
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| 17:39.19 | Detox | anyone use freenx? |
| 17:39.21 | micols | stew: its 2MB/s nomatter what |
| 17:39.25 | micols | stew: EXACTLY 2MB/s |
| 17:39.29 | micols | even with 100MB |
| 17:39.53 | micols | oh wait :) |
| 17:40.15 | micols | thats is 40mbit, but why is the TBF twice of that then?:) |
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| 17:40.31 | DukGalNamu | noone here with a webserver/php/ssl setup? |
| 17:40.31 | micols | nah sorry, nonsense |
| 17:40.52 | micols | 5MB/s almost if 40mbit |
| 17:40.53 | stew | DukGalNamu: what are you trying to do with php4 and ssl? |
| 17:40.54 | micols | so ingress is broken |
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| 17:41.19 | DukGalNamu | stew: apperantly php is sending out an error message that is related to not having ssl support compiled in |
| 17:41.29 | stew | DukGalNamu: what is the error message? |
| 17:41.43 | DukGalNamu | fread() |
| 17:41.43 | DukGalNamu | +[function.fread<https://www.blanklabels4less.com/%5C%27function.fread%5C%27>]: |
| 17:41.44 | DukGalNamu | SSL: fatal protocol error |
| 17:41.59 | stew | DukGalNamu: what makes you think that SSL is not compiled in? |
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| 17:42.23 | DukGalNamu | because i was told that this is likely due to ssl not being compiled in to php |
| 17:42.34 | DukGalNamu | unless you believe it may be something else? |
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| 17:43.13 | DukGalNamu | stew: it gives that code when sending the credit card info to the payment portal |
| 17:43.28 | DukGalNamu | error, not code, sorry |
| 17:43.28 | _gridcomputing_ | >Hey I have an Dapper drake and want to switch it to german. But there is only english to choose. Could I install new languages? |
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| 17:44.09 | jelly | _gridcomputing_: you should ask in proper place for your distro, #ubuntu |
| 17:44.12 | linkslice | is there a way for sudo to emulate 'su -' |
| 17:44.30 | _gridcomputing_ | OK lets change again |
| 17:44.33 | linkslice | ie. sudo - 'command' to get the full environment of the user? |
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| 17:45.06 | enouf | man sudo, might be -i ? |
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| 17:45.19 | enouf | i don't bother, i just use sudo command |
| 17:45.44 | KDE4000 | what is a good way to make a debian package (i allready got debian folder in source |
| 17:45.57 | nareshov | !packaging |
| 17:45.58 | dpkg | packaging is probably covered nicely at http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/jcn/documentation/html-only/packaging.html, http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-debpkg.html |
| 17:46.03 | stew | DukGalNamu: well that url is 404, do you get the same error with a valid url? |
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| 17:46.09 | KDE4000 | i tried dpkg -build debian but, it looks for a debian/DEBIAN/control file |
| 17:46.20 | linkslice | enouf, i looked at -i but didn't seem to do it. |
| 17:46.30 | KDE4000 | so i copy that control file into debian/DEBIAN folder from debian folder, and then it says no package name for source |
| 17:46.30 | DukGalNamu | well... wait... thats a good point.... |
| 17:47.05 | pickcoder | KDE4000: read the packaging docs |
| 17:47.14 | DukGalNamu | stew: https://blanklabels4less.com works, and it pretty much %100 php |
| 17:47.23 | KDE4000 | pickcoder: i read serveral, and they wanted me to run dpkg-dev or dpkg -build |
| 17:47.48 | pickcoder | KDE4000: did you create all of the install and removal scripts? |
| 17:47.51 | stew | DukGalNamu: what is the actual php code that produces the error? |
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| 17:48.06 | KDE4000 | pickcoder: i have the devscripts installed |
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| 17:48.12 | enouf | linkslice: you can always check with echo $PATH , afaik - oh and 'env' both before/after.. test, etc, also strace might help |
| 17:48.12 | micols | stew: so no idea why i only get 2MB/s on ingress ? |
| 17:48.19 | micols | stew: which is half specified speed. |
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| 17:48.48 | DukGalNamu | stew: that i don't know really, since i am not coding it... |
| 17:48.48 | pickcoder | KDE4000: what does that have to do with the package's install and removal scripts? |
| 17:48.52 | stew | micols: i don't believe you yet have a valid test of the ingress speed |
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| 17:49.13 | micols | stew: why isnt write test a good test? too much i/o ? |
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| 17:49.22 | enouf | linkslice: many times, i have to do, sudo sh -c 'command ... ' to get it to actually work - is that what you want? |
| 17:49.25 | micols | stew: or too big block size? |
| 17:49.33 | KDE4000 | pickcoder: i downloaded the source from packages.debian.org and untared it, applyed debians patches, so dpkg -b should work, right? |
| 17:49.36 | stew | micols: you can't possibly test the amount of traffic going through an interface on one machine from a different machine |
| 17:49.53 | enouf | linkslice: such like, sudo sh -c 'echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/drop_caches' say |
| 17:50.24 | micols | stew: i dont completely agree, but you probably know better than me |
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| 17:50.45 | micols | stew: there's a direct connection between them and no other comps connected to servers interface |
| 17:50.55 | KDE4000 | hm, i have some perl deps that i forgot to intsall |
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| 17:51.01 | micols | stew: any other suggestions for testing then? |
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| 17:51.45 | stew | DukGalNamu: if you want to verify that php is compiled against ssh, you can run "ldd /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so | grep ssl" or "ldd /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so | grep ssl" depending on which apache version you are talking about |
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| 17:53.29 | bhundven | when using losetup to edit an image with a partition table, could someone tell me what the major and minor numbers of /dev/loop0p1 would be? |
| 17:54.05 | themill | DukGalNamu: what are you trying to fread? what is the argument to fopen that is just before fread? |
| 17:54.27 | stew | micols: you can watch the actual traffic with something like iptraf |
| 17:54.59 | DukGalNamu | themill: i just grepped every file in website and didn't even find any freads..... |
| 17:55.07 | DukGalNamu | unless i am doin it wrong... |
| 17:55.22 | linkslice | enouf, I got it. -i -- -c 'command' |
| 17:55.34 | themill | DukGalNamu: then there's something very odd going on with your set up... |
| 17:55.40 | DukGalNamu | no kidding... |
| 17:55.47 | micols | stew: well using gkrellm on the client it seems even reads are limited to 2MB/s |
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| 17:55.52 | micols | stew: so nothing is working out really |
| 17:55.56 | DukGalNamu | themill: either way, i have informed the coder, at least i am moving foreward... |
| 17:56.01 | enouf | linkslice: what command is accepting -c ? |
| 17:56.04 | micols | stew: should be 4MB/s |
| 17:56.05 | enouf | it isn't sudo |
| 17:56.14 | saucerful | does anyone have any experience with making a usb drive persistent? |
| 17:56.25 | themill | DukGalNamu: there's nothing fundamentally wrong with fread and ssl under debian. You can try this little snippet yourself if you want: http://rafb.net/p/eo7doc34.html |
| 17:56.37 | saucerful | i tried just changing the persist file, but that didn't help |
| 17:56.38 | enouf | linkslice: maybe a bash session is auto? |
| 17:56.54 | enouf | erm, subshell i should say |
| 17:56.57 | saucerful | when i suspend and resume, the drive gets automounted (by gnome-volume-manager) to a new location |
| 17:56.58 | micols | stew: why cant i write as fast as read on the client, that should be possible ? |
| 17:56.59 | enouf | lemmee check that |
| 17:57.12 | micols | stew: i set same ingress limits as tbf limits |
| 17:57.17 | stew | micols: yes, it is possible |
| 17:57.19 | saucerful | which gets really annoying because i don't have a static location for my media files |
| 17:57.24 | micols | stew: so where is the flaw? |
| 17:57.37 | stew | micols: i don't believe there necessarily is a flaw |
| 17:57.39 | micols | stew: if you dont know say so, so i dont waste more time :) |
| 17:57.40 | linkslice | enouf, echo $PATH is how I tested it |
| 17:58.14 | DukGalNamu | themill: huh, what is it supposed to produce? |
| 17:58.15 | stew | micols: i still don't think it is valid to verify that your server side rate limiting is working from somewhere other than the server |
| 17:58.25 | themill | DukGalNamu: nothing if there's no error... |
| 17:58.35 | DukGalNamu | themill: then yeah, it works... |
| 17:58.47 | micols | stew: i dont think this is the issue here, i am pretty sure i would get the same rate sitting on the server |
| 17:59.00 | stew | micols: why not be 100% sure? |
| 17:59.04 | micols | but i could try that ip program just to make you happy :) |
| 17:59.07 | enouf | linkslice: no bueno |
| 17:59.08 | enouf | ~$ sudo -i -- -c 'echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/overcommmit_memory' |
| 17:59.09 | enouf | -bash: /proc/sys/vm/overcommmit_memory: No such file or directory |
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| 17:59.41 | ma3x | what is this 'exposure event'? i read the man page but i can't understand it |
| 17:59.44 | stew | micols: if you think i'm wasting your time, i'll just stop |
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| 18:00.02 | micols | installing iptraf now on server... |
| 18:00.08 | pablo__ | hi, can a pendrive be mount without being a root? |
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| 18:00.16 | DukGalNamu | alright, themill, stew: thanks for you help, i will send all this additional troubleshooting data to the coder, he will have to do something :P |
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| 18:00.24 | DukGalNamu | s/you/your |
| 18:00.27 | abrotman | pablo__: yes it is possible |
| 18:00.35 | themill | DukGalNamu: good luck... |
| 18:00.42 | pablo__ | abrotman: how? |
| 18:00.42 | doublehp | wireless problem: i have a DWL-G650 , and it can not connect any AP; i use the same script for several cards (just changing wlanX) ... that card never associates; if i specify the AP, it still cant ping it. Any idea ? |
| 18:00.43 | DukGalNamu | heh... i hope i don't need it |
| 18:00.47 | stew | pablo__: if you use pmount, you can if you are in the plugdev group. or any user can if the drive is listed in fstab with the user option, or /msg dpkg automount |
| 18:00.50 | valdyn | pablo__: thats a really silly question as everything can be done as non-root, provided theres tools to do it |
| 18:01.02 | enouf | linkslice: nevermind me, i misspelled overcommit |
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| 18:01.16 | enouf | linkslice: one too many 'm' |
| 18:01.20 | ma3x | can anyone explain me what xset's 'exposure' means? |
| 18:01.51 | micols | stew: now it doesnt even throttle ingress for some reason.. |
| 18:01.53 | valdyn | ma3x: thats in the manpage |
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| 18:02.16 | micols | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:02.16 | doublehp | http://rafb.net/p/4Z0JLm73.html any idea ? |
| 18:02.16 | enouf | linkslice: it does work, but takes much longer - i would strace that sucker |
| 18:02.27 | ma3x | valdyn: i know it's in the manpage, i told you i don't understand it |
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| 18:02.43 | valdyn | ma3x: you probably dont need it if you dont understand it |
| 18:02.55 | micols | stew: what prio should ingress be? |
| 18:03.03 | stew | ma3x: its an event sent to a client to say that part of the client area was uncovered by some other window and needs to be redrawn |
| 18:03.09 | micols | stew: it only throttles if i set prio very high, prio=1 is nonthrottled |
| 18:03.31 | micols | stew: prio 50 = 2MB/s |
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| 18:04.06 | ma3x | stew: i have this all the time enabled. what keeps enabling it? |
| 18:04.16 | doublehp | ma3x: i think exposure refers to the fact a window is visible ... or hidden (whole or part) by an other object (other win, widget ... ) |
| 18:04.26 | stew | ma3x: i dont' understand your question |
| 18:04.36 | valdyn | ma3x: your screensaver |
| 18:04.40 | stew | micols: i don't know |
| 18:04.46 | ma3x | but i've disabled the screensaver |
| 18:04.57 | valdyn | ma3x: your window manager |
| 18:05.07 | valdyn | ma3x: why the fuck do you care? |
| 18:05.16 | doublehp | ma3x: it can be related to screen saver, because, when saving screen, you dont need any more to refresh content; so, either the window is visible (100% exposed), partly visible, or hidden, you dont need to refresh any |
| 18:05.49 | enouf | ma3x: stop trolling |
| 18:05.56 | ma3x | valdyn: it just happened that i opened the lid and the screen was blank |
| 18:06.02 | enouf | heh |
| 18:06.14 | valdyn | ma3x: and what does that have to do with anything? |
| 18:06.23 | enouf | yeah, it's xset's exposure's fault, .. lmao |
| 18:06.29 | Nyle | hey |
| 18:06.30 | doublehp | ma3x: "server can regenerate the screens without causing exposure events" => when you move a window, send it forward or backward, you change exposure, so, you need to refresh it ... it's quiet a complex concept, but, well applied, it can save processing (CPU and GPU time) |
| 18:06.33 | Nyle | place nice |
| 18:06.36 | Nyle | play* |
| 18:06.40 | enouf | nikolavp: shaddup you weenie |
| 18:06.47 | enouf | ooops |
| 18:06.47 | nikolavp | wah :? |
| 18:06.48 | Nyle | hah! burn |
| 18:06.49 | nikolavp | :d |
| 18:06.50 | enouf | sorry nikolavp |
| 18:06.57 | nikolavp | :D |
| 18:06.57 | Nyle | enouf, go siddown! |
| 18:06.57 | ma3x | it was just too complicated described that's all |
| 18:06.58 | nikolavp | np |
| 18:07.09 | micols | stew: so what should i test with iptraf? |
| 18:07.14 | enouf | Nyle: be stoned again you bimbo |
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| 18:07.25 | Nyle | enouf, I'm a male bimbo... a Mimbo |
| 18:07.29 | stew | enouf: Nyle: please take this elsewhere |
| 18:07.31 | Rayne | hi guys |
| 18:07.34 | Nyle | yup |
| 18:07.35 | micols | stew: i have tested a /dev/zero pipe from the server now , on the client, client reads sustained 40Mbit/s |
| 18:07.44 | micols | stew: but client only writes half of that. |
| 18:07.51 | doublehp | wireless problem: i have a DWL-G650 , and it can not connect any AP; i use the same script for several cards (just changing wlanX) ... that card never associates; if i specify the AP, it still cant ping it. Any idea ? |
| 18:07.52 | micols | stew: and exactly 2MB/s every time |
| 18:07.58 | Rayne | is the new testing name allready public? |
| 18:08.01 | doublehp | X forwarding over ssh problem : http://rafb.net/p/4Z0JLm73.html any idea ? |
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| 18:08.04 | ma3x | /dev/sda1 43G 42G 0 100% / |
| 18:08.04 | Nyle | ye |
| 18:08.08 | Nyle | lenny |
| 18:08.10 | ma3x | shit i've ran outta space |
| 18:08.17 | Rayne | Nyle: lenny is the current testing |
| 18:08.26 | Nyle | Rayne, oh new testing |
| 18:08.27 | Rayne | but i am more interested in the next testing :) |
| 18:08.31 | Rayne | yes |
| 18:08.34 | stew | Rayne: it hasn't yet been decided |
| 18:08.50 | stew | micols: iptraf isn't a testing tool, but you could use it to view the actual rates onthe interfaces |
| 18:09.03 | enouf | doublehp: btw, i want to say just a general bravo to you (conecerning your depth of overall nix knowledge) |
| 18:09.06 | Rayne | hm. thanks stew |
| 18:09.28 | doublehp | enouf: o_O |
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| 18:09.37 | micols | it says 2MB/s stew on eth1 when client is writing |
| 18:09.50 | enouf | doublehp: or .. you're a better actor than i O_o |
| 18:09.55 | micols | stew: dont know how to bind to eth1 and wget something |
| 18:10.01 | micols | stew: so i can only test on client |
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| 18:10.46 | enouf | micols: for LAN speed tests, could try netperf, iperf, dt, etc |
| 18:10.48 | micols | also eth1 isnt internet connected which makes it harder. |
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| 18:11.26 | enouf | er, not sure about iperf, but the others are meant for LAN net speed tests |
| 18:12.08 | shamike | where can i get pidgin for etch at? |
| 18:12.10 | enouf | micols: use ethtool ethX also to make sure everything is ok |
| 18:12.37 | kenjy | guys can you help me? I have a proble while doing apt-get update http://rafb.net/p/SRZeo765.html |
| 18:13.03 | stew | micols: you should perhaps test the ingress speed by taking all limits off the egress, or do a one way test with something like nc, since with your current tests, your ingress speed is going to be limited by the egress speed. |
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| 18:13.43 | stew | enouf: its not going to be something with ethtool, since without the traffic shaping, he gets muh higher speeds |
| 18:13.54 | stew | enouf: (he's TRYING to slow down his interfaces) |
| 18:14.03 | stew | shamike: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 18:14.09 | micols | stew: ingress shouldnt be limited as i use /dev/zero which is a system file not a real file i guess |
| 18:14.10 | shamike | ty |
| 18:14.43 | stew | micols: but NFS doesn't just keep blindly writing, its going to have to wait for return packets some time |
| 18:15.04 | micols | stew: yes, but do you really think that would account for such a huge drop in performance? |
| 18:15.08 | stew | micols: i don't know |
| 18:15.16 | enouf | stew: ok - whatever - he's been rambling for months .. thought i'd throw out some general tools info |
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| 18:15.43 | stew | enouf: sure :) |
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| 18:16.33 | enouf | micols: would it be fair to say you're attempting bandwidth/traffic shaping? |
| 18:16.37 | stew | micols: i just think it would provide for a more accurate test. this wouldn't be the first time today that you were claiming that tc was completely broken when it wasn't |
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| 18:16.56 | LemensTS | anyone have a better way to crack pdf password then pdfcrack or pdf2ps ? |
| 18:17.05 | LemensTS | I coudlnt get either to be succesful |
| 18:17.12 | [Jasper] | hej guys |
| 18:17.21 | [Jasper] | how can I get a version of apache2 without logio enabled |
| 18:17.22 | [Jasper] | for debian? |
| 18:17.52 | Hourssales | self-compiled :) |
| 18:17.57 | [Jasper] | sucky |
| 18:18.09 | Hourssales | but very individual |
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| 18:18.18 | yaaar | howdy |
| 18:18.49 | LemensTS | If you compile from source, the debian apt package manager will not know about its dependicies correct? |
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| 18:18.56 | [Jasper] | correct |
| 18:19.14 | stew | LemensTS: you can recompile the debian pacakge and install your own version of the package: /msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:19.15 | LemensTS | Whats a way to make apt aware of it when you compile from source |
| 18:19.34 | webPragmatis1 | by default does cp just ignore hidden files? |
| 18:19.38 | LemensTS | cool i will read up on that. |
| 18:19.46 | avu | webPragmatis1, no |
| 18:19.55 | avu | webPragmatis1, globbing in your shell however does |
| 18:19.58 | kenjy | guys can you help me? I have a proble while doing apt-get update http://rafb.net/p/SRZeo765.html |
| 18:20.17 | kenjy | shows: E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 18:20.37 | webPragmatis1 | avu: how do i fix it |
| 18:20.50 | stew | webPragmatis1: what is the command you are executing? |
| 18:20.53 | z1pp3r | kenjy, whats up with your sources? You have a mirror on your lan? |
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| 18:21.08 | webPragmatis1 | sudo cp -rf * ../../ |
| 18:21.11 | [Jasper] | guys, how can i find out what ./configure items were used in the standard debian apache2 ./configure ? |
| 18:21.21 | [Jasper] | ./configure |
| 18:21.29 | avu | webPragmatis1, depends on your shell |
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| 18:21.49 | avu | webPragmatis1, with zsh, setopt dotglob enables globbing to also match files beginning with '.' |
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| 18:21.58 | [Jasper] | anyone? |
| 18:22.10 | stew | [Jasper]: /msg dpkg debian/rules |
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| 18:22.30 | webPragmatis1 | avu: oh so you are saying that * doesn't recognize files that astart wwith . |
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| 18:22.46 | kenjy | z1pp3r: I have apt-cacher installed in a server |
| 18:22.59 | avu | webPragmatis1, yes. that's what I said. globbing does not match hidden files. |
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| 18:23.10 | stew | webPragmatis1: yes, depending on your shell or your shell options. note that this has nothign to do with cp |
| 18:23.12 | [Jasper] | what dir should that be?> |
| 18:23.31 | stew | dpkg: tell [Jasper] about debian/rules |
| 18:23.48 | yaaar | on a machine with multiple ifaces/ips, is there a way to force apt-get to use a particular one? |
| 18:23.53 | avu | [Jasper], it's in the source package |
| 18:24.03 | webPragmatis1 | okay what should I do to make it copy everything iside of that directory |
| 18:24.04 | [Jasper] | oh :/ |
| 18:24.17 | [Jasper] | and how will I get that>? |
| 18:24.30 | avu | [Jasper], apt-get source foo |
| 18:24.50 | kenjy | z1pp3r: can you help me? |
| 18:25.03 | avu | webPragmatis1, as I said, that depends on the shell you're using |
| 18:25.15 | abrotman | kenjy: you're using your own server .. try an official one |
| 18:25.21 | avu | webPragmatis1, I also told you how to do it using zsh, if that happens to be the one you use also |
| 18:25.27 | z1pp3r | kenjy, probably not. All i can see is a checksum error, most likely *something* is wrong with that mirror of yours |
| 18:25.42 | [Jasper] | sh: dpkg-source: command not found |
| 18:25.43 | [Jasper] | Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x apache2_2.2.3-4+etch5.dsc' failed. |
| 18:25.51 | [Jasper] | that's weird aint it? |
| 18:25.56 | avu | [Jasper], no. |
| 18:25.58 | kenjy | abrotman: I need to update/install a lot of packages in a lot of PC's, I can't use a official one |
| 18:26.05 | [Jasper] | got it avu |
| 18:26.11 | kenjy | z1pp3r: http://rafb.net/p/SRZeo765.html |
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| 18:26.15 | [Jasper] | so where can I find this srouce now |
| 18:26.18 | [Jasper] | where did it unpack? |
| 18:26.19 | abrotman | !tell kenjy about apt-cacher |
| 18:26.21 | abrotman | !tell kenjy about apt-proxy |
| 18:26.28 | avu | [Jasper], in the directory you executed the command in |
| 18:26.34 | [Jasper] | I didn't |
| 18:26.35 | kenjy | abrotman: I have apt-cacher installed |
| 18:26.37 | avu | [Jasper], and it wasn't unpacked |
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| 18:26.39 | [Jasper] | I used apt-get source |
| 18:26.45 | avu | [Jasper], yes... |
| 18:26.50 | avu | [Jasper], that's "the command" :) |
| 18:26.51 | kenjy | abrotman: the problem is not how to solve the issue about installing a lot of packages quickly |
| 18:26.53 | v1k1ng0 | I have debian sid with kernel 2.6.X, I have a problem with sound ... when I restart the computer, the sound doesn't work, if I run alsaconf yes ... it works |
| 18:26.57 | [Jasper] | oh ok :p |
| 18:27.10 | v1k1ng0 | someone knows if I have to configure something in udev for sound? |
| 18:27.21 | avu | [Jasper], to unpack it, install dpkg-dev and use dpkg-source -x like apt-get tried to |
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| 18:27.58 | abrotman | kenjy: it's telling you one of the files is corrupt |
| 18:28.22 | kenjy | abrotman: how can I fix this? thats the output when I do apt-get update in a desktop machine |
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| 18:28.44 | cahoot | v1k1ng0: try dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base choose alsa |
| 18:28.45 | abrotman | kenjy: you could clear the cache you're using and reget it |
| 18:29.06 | [Jasper] | hmm is it like this file apache2_2.2.3-4+etch5.diff avu ? |
| 18:29.09 | [Jasper] | I should look in? |
| 18:29.16 | [Jasper] | that's got A LOT of stuff in it |
| 18:29.20 | avu | [Jasper], ... |
| 18:29.25 | kenjy | abrotman: how can I do this? or how can I clean just that Packages.bz2 and Sources.bz2 package |
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| 18:29.26 | [Jasper] | is that the makefile? |
| 18:29.27 | avu | [Jasper], why don't you just do what I said? :) |
| 18:29.41 | [Jasper] | it's unpacked |
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| 18:29.55 | avu | [Jasper], so you did use dpkg-source -x *dsc? |
| 18:29.57 | stew | [Jasper]: how did you unpack it? |
| 18:30.04 | webPragmatis1 | avu: I see ok thanks :) |
| 18:30.14 | v1k1ng0 | cahoot: ok, thanks, I will try it |
| 18:30.14 | webPragmatis1 | learn something new everyday |
| 18:30.22 | stew | [Jasper]: you should not have a file named apache2_2.2.3-4+etch5.diff you should have one named apache2_2.2.3-4+etch5.diff.gz |
| 18:30.33 | avu | [Jasper], then you have a directory names package-version, which contains a directory called debian, which holds the aforementioned rules file |
| 18:30.49 | [Jasper] | dpkg-source: failure: cannot read ./apache2_2.2.3-4+etch5.diff.gz: No such file or directory |
| 18:30.58 | [Jasper] | that's what I get when i try that |
| 18:31.12 | avu | [Jasper], well, you probably did something silly like gunzip foo.diff.gz? |
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| 18:31.33 | [Jasper] | got it now |
| 18:31.39 | [Jasper] | something went wrong |
| 18:31.57 | [Jasper] | I got the rules now |
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| 18:32.12 | [Jasper] | now how can I use those in a selfcompiled apache version? |
| 18:32.20 | avu | [Jasper], why would you? |
| 18:32.33 | [Jasper] | because I wanna make a completely identical apache2 |
| 18:32.34 | [Jasper] | as debian |
| 18:32.47 | avu | [Jasper], why don't you just use the package in the first place? |
| 18:33.19 | [Jasper] | because I want it without mod_logio |
| 18:33.20 | [Jasper] | avu |
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| 18:33.34 | [Jasper] | and that's standard enabled |
| 18:34.06 | avu | [Jasper], then remove the corresponding flag from the configure call in debian/rules, add a changelog entry using dch (from devscripts) and build a new versions using debuild |
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| 18:35.02 | z1pp3r | Anyone know what amount of packetloss, to sites like google and bbc, from a private ADSL connection, is acceptable? Using smokePing i get avg 5% and 10-15% max PL which seems like a lot |
| 18:35.43 | stew | z1pp3r: 0% |
| 18:36.00 | stew | z1pp3r: certainly 5% is unacceptable |
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| 18:36.24 | z1pp3r | 0% is a bit optimistic isnt it? But okay, thanks |
| 18:36.27 | stew | z1pp3r: do you get packet loss to your upstream router? |
| 18:36.55 | simonrvn | no, it isn't optimistic. if you're getting packet loss, something's up. |
| 18:37.12 | z1pp3r | stew, huh? As in packetloss from the server -> router through lan? No, no packetloss there |
| 18:37.15 | [Jasper] | hmm |
| 18:37.33 | stew | z1pp3r: no, i mean packet loss from the router to the upstream gateway through the ATM |
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| 18:37.58 | simonrvn | OTOH, if this were some, say, border router on a large node, then that *per day* would be about average, but still high |
| 18:38.11 | simonrvn | (5% would be high) |
| 18:38.17 | stew | 1% would be high |
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| 18:38.33 | simonrvn | yeh |
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| 18:38.49 | abrotman | kenjy: i don't know which tool you're using |
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| 18:39.55 | z1pp3r | stew, Im no network guru, keep it simple :). I tried running mtr for a while and it didnt seem like i had a lot of PL within my ISP's network but once it went through to another ISP, telenor, i did see quite a lot of PL |
| 18:40.09 | yaaar | on a machine with multiple ifaces/ips, is there a way to force apt-get to use a particular one? |
| 18:40.16 | kenjy | abrotman: I said: kenjy> abrotman: I have apt-cacher installed |
| 18:40.33 | simonrvn | z1pp3r: telenor is having problems then |
| 18:40.46 | simonrvn | yaaar: um, why? |
| 18:40.49 | abrotman | kenjy: sorry .. you didn't say if you were actually using it :) |
| 18:40.56 | simonrvn | and, no |
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| 18:41.00 | z1pp3r | The problem is, there has been some problems with this connection. Suddenly the connection would die for a few hours, and the ISP 'fixed' it by upping the bandwidth but im wondering if the wires are actually capable of handling that kind of bandwidth |
| 18:41.14 | abrotman | kenjy: IIRC it keeps that stuff in /var/ somewhere .. and (it's been awhile) you can just remove the busted files |
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| 18:42.14 | yaaar | simonrvn: this machine is a router, with 2 ips. one (external) on a /30 that routes out, and one (internal) on a /27 (public) that this router is gateway for. the isp is blocking all traffic (except pings/traces) that originates on the /30. right now, apt-get tries to make its tcp connections from that /30 address, and they timeout. |
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| 18:42.34 | kenjy | abrotman: yes Im ussing it now, I don't changed my package cacher in the last 5 minutes |
| 18:42.39 | z1pp3r | simonrvn, im sorry, i lied. Just checked mtr again, 8% PL to the first ISP server i enter, 20+% to the next one.... eeeek |
| 18:43.13 | simonrvn | yaaar: TMI. fix your routes then. |
| 18:43.17 | kenjy | abrotman: I remove the Packages Packages.bz2 and Sources.bz2 from /var/cache/apt-cacher/packages and I did apt-get update in the server and clients but it shows the same error :S |
| 18:43.26 | simonrvn | apt/aptitude isn't designed to think for you |
| 18:43.40 | yaaar | simonrvn: i'm really not stupid. |
| 18:43.42 | z1pp3r | time to call tech support so they can tell me to reboot my router i guess -.- |
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| 18:43.43 | z1pp3r | thanks again |
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| 18:44.20 | yaaar | simonrvn: my routes are fine. hosts behind this box work great. it's just that the isp is blocking traffic from the /30 |
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| 18:46.17 | yaaar | simonrvn: put it this way. if i send an http request piped through 'netcat -s <external ip>' it times out...but if i do it through 'netcat -s <internal ip>' it works fine |
| 18:46.36 | stew | yaaar: so what is the question? |
| 18:47.54 | xingu | yaaar: ip route add to mi.rr.or.ad via gw.ad.dr.ad src sr.ca.dd.rs |
| 18:48.05 | \amethyst | stew: how to get apt's http method to bind to a particular address instead of 0.0.0.0 |
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| 18:48.12 | stew | SNAT |
| 18:48.14 | stew | ? |
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| 18:48.18 | yaaar | stew: the original question was simply whether there was a way to force apt-get to use a specific source address (out of two on a machine) for its tcp connections |
| 18:48.20 | \amethyst | yeah, SNAT might work |
| 18:49.10 | \amethyst | I wonder if there's an LD_PRELOAD library that forces unbound sockets to bind to a particular address |
| 18:49.29 | yaaar | xingu: i don't think i followed that |
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| 18:50.28 | yaaar | stew: this is a simple router for a /27 subnet. it routes out on a /30 to the isp. but the isp blocks all traffic (except ping/trace) that originates from the /30. So apt times out on the router. if i could get apt to work from the internal ip instead of the external, i would have no problems at all |
| 18:50.55 | stew | yaaar: can you use SNAT? |
| 18:51.16 | stew | xingu: or xingu's suggestion? |
| 18:51.17 | stew | err |
| 18:51.19 | stew | yaaar: ^^ |
| 18:51.19 | yaaar | stew: what's the "S" ? all my addys are public... |
| 18:51.28 | stew | yaaar: the S is source |
| 18:51.50 | stew | yaaar: its a way to rewrite a packet before it is routed to change the source ip address |
| 18:52.01 | stew | err, after it is routed rather |
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| 18:52.25 | yaaar | hmmm |
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| 18:52.58 | xingu | alternatively, you can tell tcp which source address to pick by putting it right there into the routing table |
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| 18:53.18 | stew | right |
| 18:53.20 | xingu | s/tcp/ip/ |
| 18:53.33 | yaaar | xingu: but if i do that, won't it try to use that other source address for all the connections from the other hosts? |
| 18:53.43 | xingu | think about it |
| 18:53.47 | yaaar | (that won't work...the isp isn't routing things for my /27, only the /30) |
| 18:54.00 | yaaar | xingu: that implies that i haven't thought about this, which is not the case |
| 18:54.05 | stew | yaaar: i thougth you said it works with the /27? |
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| 18:54.36 | xingu | yaaar: at what point would the kernel consult its routing table for _source_ address selection? and why would this happen during _routing_ ? |
| 18:55.24 | yaaar | stew: yes, my /27 works great...because I'm forwarding it out over the /30 |
| 18:55.47 | yaaar | stew: but the isp is checking the origin of all the traffic. and if it is on the /30, it's dropping it |
| 18:56.03 | xingu | (and tcp/udp is more correct than ip too, obviously only sockets need bother about selecting endpoint addresses) |
| 18:56.06 | stew | this makes no sense |
| 18:56.31 | stew | yaaar: how does your /27 work if your isp isn't routing traffic for it? |
| 18:56.51 | yaaar | stew: because *I'm* routing traffic for it! |
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| 18:57.02 | yaaar | that's the whole purpose of this router |
| 18:57.05 | SethX | could any sed wizard give me a sed command which: removes spaces from a string, but only one space where two spaces are present? ie from "t e s t t e x t" to "test text" |
| 18:57.05 | yaaar | the router works perfectly... |
| 18:57.05 | xingu | seems pretty straightforward to me, the isp is sinking the /27 via the peer's /30 in their bras profile for that peer |
| 18:57.43 | yaaar | the only problem is that apt-get won't run on the router itself, because it originates the connections from an address on the /30 rather than an address on the /27 routed *through* the /30 |
| 18:58.02 | wols_ | yaaar: are you actually the owner of that netblock and have told the hoster to route your netblock? |
| 18:58.20 | stew | yaaar: so give the router an additional address in the /27 |
| 18:58.30 | xingu | in fact, at a guess the problem-scope is greater than apt, and "ip route add default via gw.ad.dr.es src sr.ca.dr.es" is probably more correct |
| 18:58.39 | xingu | maybe ip route change, it's been a few years |
| 18:58.40 | yaaar | stew: it already has an address in the /27....i just want to figure out how to make apt use it |
| 18:59.05 | yaaar | xingu: no, that will break my whole router. |
| 18:59.12 | yaaar | xingu: i have to route everything out on the /30 |
| 18:59.13 | stew | yaaar: xingu has told you |
| 18:59.37 | yaaar | why does everyone seem to think i'm lying? |
| 18:59.43 | stew | 14:47 < xingu> yaaar: ip route add to mi.rr.or.ad via gw.ad.dr.ad src sr.ca.dd.rs |
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| 19:00.13 | yaaar | the isp has specifically told me they are dropping traffic that ORIGINATES on the /30. and yet all traffic on the /27 needs to go THROUGH the /30 |
| 19:00.14 | tvynr | Where would you people recommend sticking a 32-bit chroot on a 64-bit system? I've seen some people say /emul/ia32-linux and others say /var/chroot/foo. I'm leaning toward the latter since the ia32-libs package uses the former path. |
| 19:00.21 | yaaar | i can't use the /27 as my gateway |
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| 19:00.29 | xingu | yaaar: more correctly, you need to select the correct exit _interface_; datalink != network, and you'll find that the highest preference (least cost) route for gw.ad.dr.es is via the correct datalink domain |
| 19:00.31 | stew | yaaar: yeah, don't use the same gateway you are already using |
| 19:00.46 | crackintosh | When doing "apt-get remove" I dont know the exact name of the package that I have installed. Is there a listing of all apt packages I currently have installed? |
| 19:00.46 | abrotman | !prize stew |
| 19:00.46 | dpkg | gives stew a My Little Pony. |
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| 19:00.59 | tvynr | crackintosh: dpkg -l |
| 19:01.03 | stew | crackintosh: aptitude search '~i' |
| 19:01.33 | xingu | yaaar: .. so the frame leaving the router will have the correct macaddr, still respond to arp who-has with the on-link network address (during tell), and life will be good. |
| 19:01.52 | crackintosh | tvynr: thank you |
| 19:02.11 | tvynr | crackintosh: our pleasure :) |
| 19:02.38 | yaaar | so, i take it there is no way to make apt-get just choose which address to source from? |
| 19:03.00 | yaaar | (i don't see any reason to argue about the reason for my question. i know that's what i need, i just want an answer) |
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| 19:04.39 | xingu | must be a fairly crafty (not to say expensive) setup that is able to selectively block misaddressed apt-get traffic |
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| 19:05.44 | xingu | maybe some combination of transproxy and version header inspection |
| 19:05.47 | yaaar | xingu: it's not misaddressed |
| 19:05.57 | stew | yaaar: no, there is no way to tell apt-get which source address to use. there are multiple ways that you could, however choose which source address your upstream sees in order to fix your problem |
| 19:06.12 | yaaar | stew: yeah, but i can't do that |
| 19:06.17 | stew | yaaar: why not? |
| 19:06.27 | yaaar | stew: because they aren't routing my other subnet |
| 19:06.34 | stew | yaaar: so? |
| 19:06.35 | yaaar | stew: i only have one ip they will route |
| 19:06.40 | yaaar | it's the one on the /30 |
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| 19:07.27 | xingu | so you're trying to source select an address that you know will be unreachable? |
| 19:07.32 | xingu | this seems bizarre |
| 19:07.50 | stew | yaaar: then apt-get won't work for any address on any ip using this isp |
| 19:08.09 | yaaar | stew: it works fine from the hosts behind the gateway |
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| 19:08.26 | stew | yaaar: then you are confused |
| 19:08.53 | xingu | so the hosts behind the gateway are addressed from a pool that is both reachable and not reachable |
| 19:08.59 | lxsameer | hi , i'm new to intel core 2 due , should i compile new kernel for using full power of core 2 due cpu? |
| 19:09.06 | yaaar | well, after talking to you guys, yes i'm terribly confused. |
| 19:09.11 | stew | yaaar: it can't possibly work for other hosts behind the gateway if they only route traffic to the /30 and they don't allow such traffic on the /30 |
| 19:09.16 | yaaar | but on the other hand, i also know this gateway is setup right |
| 19:09.38 | yaaar | stew: ok, there's your problem: "don't allow such traffic ON the /30" |
| 19:09.48 | yaaar | it should be "don't allow such traffic FROM the /30" |
| 19:10.07 | yaaar | they let it through the /30 just fine, as long as it doesn't have a SOURCE address on the /30 |
| 19:10.12 | stew | yaaar: yes, so you can make the source address of this apt-get traffic be from the ip address which is not from the /30 which you say your router has already been assigned |
| 19:10.28 | yaaar | ok |
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| 19:10.42 | yaaar | about two minutes ago you said i couldn't |
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| 19:10.59 | kenjy | guys I can do a correct apt-get update http://rafb.net/p/cxHuuC28.html can you help me? it shows E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 19:11.00 | xingu | a /30 has precisely four addresses, and I doubt they'd be dumb enough to forward traffic from the network, broadcast, or their own address |
| 19:11.07 | stew | yaaar: that was becuase i was believing you when you said that your isp woulnd't route traffic for the /27, which it clearly does |
| 19:11.14 | crackintosh | if i do apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" tomcat5.5 will that remove all config files for that program? |
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| 19:11.40 | stew | (well i wasn't really believing, but i was playing along) |
| 19:11.42 | yaaar | stew: i don't know what you mean...but i can tell you that I, not them, am the one routing the /27 |
| 19:11.46 | xingu | which means that they are forwarding for the /27; that they are in fact sinking the entire /27 via your (their peer) address on the /30 |
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| 19:11.50 | stew | yaaar: you are not the only one |
| 19:11.53 | xingu | but hey, do it your way |
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| 19:11.59 | xingu | it's not like any of us do this for a living |
| 19:12.13 | lobak | hello |
| 19:12.16 | xingu | hands stew a gin and tonic |
| 19:12.28 | stew | xingu: cheers |
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| 19:13.17 | PeterFA | Should I use Lenny for production now that it's getting closer and closer to stable? |
| 19:13.23 | stew | PeterFA: no |
| 19:13.30 | PeterFA | stew, ok, thanks. |
| 19:13.39 | lobak | i was trying to find files that are not accessed, changed, or modified for the last 365 days ago..how can i do that? is it -mtime +365 or -365 ? |
| 19:14.11 | lobak | i mean using find command |
| 19:14.17 | xingu | lobak: do you mean "from now up to 365 days ago" or do you mean "more than 365 days ago"? |
| 19:14.18 | z1pp3r | PeterFA, i think its a good idea to remember that 'close to stable' is not quite 'stable' =). Why take the risks? |
| 19:14.30 | lobak | more than 365 days ago |
| 19:14.39 | xingu | lobak: -mtime +365 |
| 19:14.46 | kenjy | guys I can do a correct apt-get update http://rafb.net/p/cxHuuC28.html can you help me? it shows E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 19:14.51 | PeterFA | z1pp3r, because I was a Gentooer and used unstable a lot. |
| 19:14.57 | PeterFA | :) |
| 19:14.58 | xingu | lobak: and I'm not convinced it is (mtime and ctime and atime) |
| 19:15.08 | xingu | lobak: two secs, I'll r tfm and see |
| 19:15.44 | xingu | lobak: it's not; so you need -atime +365 -a -ctime +365 -a -mtime 365 |
| 19:16.12 | lobak | xingu: i've tried it, for example, find /home/lobak -name "*" -type f -mtime +365 2> /dev/null ...and i got also the file that i just downloaded 3 days ago |
| 19:16.19 | stew | PeterFA: there are currently not guarantees that any security problems that come up in testing will be fixed in a timely manner |
| 19:16.21 | lobak | oh |
| 19:16.25 | DimmuR | is there any site with archieve of this channel? |
| 19:16.30 | xingu | lobak: right, you're only looking at mtime, not ctime. |
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| 19:16.42 | stew | PeterFA: and the reason that lenny is not yet stable is becuase it has hundreds on known release critical bugs |
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| 19:17.15 | crackintosh | is there a way to install a package without the dependencies? I want to install tomcat5.5 without installing gcj |
| 19:17.16 | xingu | lobak: nb, atime is usually entirely suspect, I wouldn't build anything that mattered using it; if you think you want atime, you usually want inotify/dnotify |
| 19:17.22 | PeterFA | stew, oh. |
| 19:17.32 | PeterFA | stew, that would be a good reason. |
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| 19:18.24 | PeterFA | dpkg doesn't seem to give good instructions for adding non-free software... |
| 19:18.24 | dpkg | PeterFA: You are moron #4 |
| 19:18.27 | lobak | xingu: i see, so that mean i need to change from atime to inotify/dnotify? |
| 19:18.32 | PeterFA | dpkg, screw you. |
| 19:18.32 | dpkg | no thanks |
| 19:18.32 | xingu | lobak: ... the reason being, atime causes a rmw cycle every time any particular inode is traversed; and so people like me that care about io performance mount their filesystems without its benefit... |
| 19:18.39 | PeterFA | hates bots. |
| 19:19.00 | xingu | lobak: only if you actually really truely _do_ want to know about file accesses (usually, you won't) |
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| 19:19.19 | xingu | lobak: just stick to mtime+ctime, it'll probably do what you actually want. |
| 19:19.20 | IpNextGen | Hello people |
| 19:19.21 | lobak | xingu: yes, i guess im not |
| 19:19.33 | yaaar | stew: xingu: i want you both to know i really do appreciate your help. i've just been frustrated with how "round and round" this has been |
| 19:19.33 | lobak | xingu: okay, i'll try it out |
| 19:19.39 | PeterFA | It says to add 'contrib non-free' to the main repository lines but when I do, apt complains. |
| 19:20.02 | IpNextGen | Q. I just compiled a new kernel.. i wanted to add an entry under grub.. how can i produce a new initrd image for the new kernel ? there's no mkinitrd tool in my debian distribution |
| 19:20.18 | lobak | xingu: so thats mean -365 is from now until the day 365...and +365 is from day 365 and below..am i right? |
| 19:20.27 | IpNextGen | is it initramfs? |
| 19:20.29 | stew | yaaar: have you tried: ip route add to mi.rr.or.ad via gw.ad.dr.ad src sr.ca.dd.rs |
| 19:20.30 | cahoot | IpNextGen: use make-kpkg? |
| 19:20.43 | IpNextGen | cahoot, thanks .. going to read on this.. |
| 19:21.01 | PeterFA | IpNextGen, make && make modules_install && cp arch/i386/boot/bzImage /boot && vim /boot/grub/grub.conf |
| 19:21.02 | cahoot | IpNextGen: try /msg dpkg kp |
| 19:21.09 | stew | IpNextGen: yes, you should be using mkinitramfs, but how did you compile the kernel? did you use the debian tool make-kpkg? (/msg dpkg kp mantra) |
| 19:21.25 | stew | PeterFA: not even close |
| 19:21.27 | [Jasper] | guys I'm trying to debuild apache without logio |
| 19:21.31 | PeterFA | stew, I tried. |
| 19:21.34 | [Jasper] | I removed it from debian/rules |
| 19:21.41 | [Jasper] | and then rebuild it, but that didn't fix it |
| 19:21.45 | yaaar | stew: i'm not sure i understand which addresses correspond with the "mirror" "gateway" and "source" |
| 19:21.49 | kenjy | guys I can do a correct apt-get update http://rafb.net/p/cxHuuC28.html can you help me? it shows E: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead. |
| 19:22.04 | xingu | yaaar: ok so from the top; you have two datalink domains and two networks (1:1 assignation from the latter to the former); we assume (you have stated) that packets forwarded for internally (network-)addressed systems via the external datalink domain flow; you also want packets originating on the gateway itself to select the internal network address in the specific case for apt and assumedly in the generic case also |
| 19:22.06 | PeterFA | Oh, crap, that is way off. |
| 19:22.07 | PeterFA | Sheesh. |
| 19:22.14 | IpNextGen | PeterFA, thanks.. that i already knew :D |
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| 19:22.21 | PeterFA | How do I add the non-free repositories? |
| 19:22.28 | PeterFA | I already asked dpkg and that didn't work. |
| 19:22.33 | stew | yaaar: mirror is the apt-get mirror, gateway is the router's default gateway, source is the source address that you want to appear on the packet (which would be the /27 ip of the router) |
| 19:22.34 | IpNextGen | stew, compiled same as PeterFA just said |
| 19:22.41 | PeterFA | IpNextGen, you think that if you used Gentoo. |
| 19:22.45 | yaaar | xingu: yeah, that's it 100% |
| 19:22.46 | [Jasper] | are you guys sure I should edit rules |
| 19:22.48 | [Jasper] | for debuild to work? |
| 19:22.50 | lobak | another one, how can i know the date that i installed debian in my system?do debian store it? |
| 19:22.55 | yaaar | stew: ok! |
| 19:22.57 | magyar_ | hi keep getting these messages from my server http://pastebin.ca/1088759 I've tried dpkg-reconfigure locales also locale-gen |
| 19:23.00 | xingu | yaaar: in order to achieve this, the _best_ (least computational, least memory bandwidth cost) is to simply tell the routing table what you are trying to do |
| 19:23.09 | yaaar | stew: xingu: i guess what i was missing what the 'mirror' part... |
| 19:23.11 | stew | IpNextGen: it would be recommended that in the future you use make-kpkg and pass it the --initrd option, this would create a .deb which, when installed, both creates the initrd for you and updates grub |
| 19:23.17 | IpNextGen | PeterFA, im a slackware user.. trying debian |
| 19:23.28 | [Jasper] | can anyone help me with debuild? |
| 19:23.33 | stew | IpNextGen: failing that, use mkinitramfs to make the initrd, and run "update-grub" to automatically update grub's menu for you |
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| 19:23.37 | xingu | yaaar: and this is done via iproute2; per a construct like "ip route add default via yourgateway src intlsrcaddress" |
| 19:23.38 | AlterTone | hi guys |
| 19:23.41 | AlterTone | i have somethign to report |
| 19:23.48 | IpNextGen | stew, thanks |
| 19:24.21 | AlterTone | 2.86.ds1-59 on lenny ---> I just saw an angry kernel message about the old libata "bug", aka hard disk not spun down properly |
| 19:24.25 | AlterTone | i did the usual fix |
| 19:24.30 | yaaar | xingu: so, my only question is: won't the isp then not route for me? since the traffic isn't coming to their router on the /30 as planned? |
| 19:24.40 | AlterTone | hddown="" in the /etc/init.d/halt even non non raid disks |
| 19:24.43 | AlterTone | and everything is ok |
| 19:24.53 | [Jasper] | guys, I'm trying to debuild apache, removed --enable-logio ... |
| 19:24.57 | [Jasper] | in the debian/rules |
| 19:25.02 | [Jasper] | can I then just debuild it? |
| 19:25.02 | yaaar | xingu: that's my big hangup....their router isn't on the /27 subnet at all, so they shouldn't take traffic from it, no? |
| 19:25.05 | [Jasper] | and it should be removed? |
| 19:25.11 | stew | yaaar: your upstream won't know the difference between these packets and ones that your router is currently routing for the /27 |
| 19:25.13 | AlterTone | now, what troubles me is this, should the sysvinit scripts continue to behave in this way in a freeze - status distro (lenny) |
| 19:25.22 | xingu | yaaar: it'll still be selecting the right datalink domain; the kernel will look at the packet's destination address and resolve default->gw->device (3x route lookups, finally resolving to the outside interface) |
| 19:25.24 | stew | yaaar: they are already taking traffic for it |
| 19:25.50 | xingu | yaaar: the datalink address is _only_ taken once the next-hop (exit interface discriminator) is fully resolved. |
| 19:25.58 | yaaar | stew: xingu: ok, sounds weird, but of course i believe you... |
| 19:26.02 | [Jasper] | guys, I did a apt-get install apache2 to start with ...then i did a apt-get remove apache2 |
| 19:26.02 | stew | yaaar: can you show us the output of "ip a ; ip r" on the router? |
| 19:26.08 | [Jasper] | how come I can still run command apache2? |
| 19:26.14 | yaaar | so, how does a line like this go into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 19:26.23 | yaaar | stew, one moment |
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| 19:26.30 | xingu | yaaar: in fact, only once the peer responds to an arp who-has for "yourgateway"'s address |
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| 19:26.54 | yaaar | stew: uh-oh. "ip: command not found" |
| 19:26.57 | [Jasper] | ANYONE? |
| 19:27.03 | stew | [Jasper]: what does "dpkg -S $(which apache2)" return? (that would tell you what package the apache2 command was installed by, which was probably not the apache2 package, but something like tha apache2.2-common package) |
| 19:27.28 | [Jasper] | prefork :/ |
| 19:27.31 | [Jasper] | how can I remove them all |
| 19:27.40 | AlterTone | guys, anyone familiar with this issue or interested in what i said? |
| 19:27.58 | stew | [Jasper]: apt-get remove package1 package2 package3. ; in the future use aptitude isntead of apt-get |
| 19:28.00 | AlterTone | how and where do i talk about this, is there a specific debian channel outside the generic support one |
| 19:28.06 | xingu | yaaar: to avoid this triple-route-lookup-plus-arp-resolution, there are two (significant) tiers of caching; one, the arp cache, two, the route cache; so fairly quickly (in fact at the point the first packet to the gateway is sent) the kernel will add to what is effectively a look-aside hash map of "destination address to exit interface" |
| 19:28.10 | stew | [Jasper]: or try "apt-get remove apache2.2-common" which would get most if not all of them |
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| 19:28.25 | [Jasper] | stew, how can I see which packages are intsalled |
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| 19:28.30 | stew | yaaar: "aptitude install iproute" or show us the output of "ifconfig ; route -n" instead |
| 19:28.48 | yaaar | stew: chicken+egg; i can't run apt-get |
| 19:28.57 | stew | [Jasper]: "aptitude search '~i'" would list all installed packages, or /var/log/dpkg.log is a log of recently installed packages |
| 19:29.00 | xingu | yaaar: needless to say, it is _only_ when the kernel is trying to discover a source address for a socket bound to src=0.0.0.0 where the "... src..." part of the routing table is even consulted. |
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| 19:29.33 | stew | xingu: something tells me you are getting into far more detail than is useful ti him |
| 19:29.51 | PeterFA | If I want to use non-free stuff from the repository, do I add "non-free" or "nonfree" or what? |
| 19:29.57 | stew | PeterFA: non-free |
| 19:30.14 | yaaar | stew: xingu: http://pastebin.com/d5613d43c |
| 19:30.19 | stew | PeterFA: (/msg dpkg non-free) |
| 19:30.22 | yaaar | that's the ifconfig ; route -n |
| 19:30.27 | xingu | yaaar: in the more normal case (where the kernel is merely forwarding packets) it is _only_ the lookaside hash of destination-to-exit interface, and, in the _miss_ case, the recursive-lookup-then-datalink-resolve-if-necessary parts that matter. |
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| 19:31.05 | Zeroyez | anything similar to apt-get autoremove from ubuntu? |
| 19:31.30 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 19:31.55 | Lagbolt | Zeroyez, you asking if that exists? |
| 19:32.10 | stew | Zeroyez: apt-get autoremove wasn't added until apt .7 which isn't in debian stable (its in testing however). you if you use aptitude install/aptitude remove instead, you'll get the same functionality (and using aptitude is recommended anyway) |
| 19:32.38 | Zeroyez | o so i can aptitude remove openoffice.org? |
| 19:32.40 | PeterFA | http://rafb.net/p/766ZNl38.html <-- this sources.lst file doesn't work. |
| 19:32.51 | levander | If the ony reason I want mail on a computer is for cron to send me status messages, do I have to install something like postfix, or is there some simple little solution for cron to notify me of stuff? |
| 19:32.54 | xingu | yaaar: .. and as I was alluding to normally, not all protocols are socket-oriented (not all protocols ask the kernel to manage their transport layer); so the solution will probably fit for icmp,udp,tcp and probably _not_ for any protocol where the transport layer runs entirely in user space. |
| 19:32.59 | stew | Zeroyez: yes, but unless you installed it with aptitude you won't get the autoremove like functionality |
| 19:33.15 | yaaar | xingu: is there a way to do the equivalent without ip? |
| 19:33.22 | Zeroyez | it was automatically installed when i install the system |
| 19:33.26 | stew | PeterFA: you should not use ftp.debian.org, use a mirror instead: /msg dpkg mirrors |
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| 19:33.34 | xingu | yaaar: for instance I'd imagine that GRE does exactly what you tell it to regardless of the kernel routing table's "src" field. |
| 19:33.36 | stew | PeterFA: be more specific than "doesn't work". what error do you get? |
| 19:33.54 | PeterFA | stew, W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org etch/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_etch_contrib_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 19:34.14 | xingu | yaaar: you can get the source to every single application you run and prevent it from bind'ing to SA_ANY |
| 19:34.27 | stew | PeterFA: what command gave you that error? |
| 19:34.32 | blubbdieblubb | is it a "must" for servers to install vim-full? or is it okay with vim-tiny? |
| 19:34.36 | yaaar | xingu: hehe...probably not |
| 19:34.39 | PeterFA | stew, apt-get upgrade |
| 19:34.54 | PeterFA | stew, I remove "non-free" and it works fine. |
| 19:35.05 | yaaar | xingu: but you see the issue....i don't have iproute2 installed on this box, and i can't install it without using iproute2 |
| 19:35.13 | stew | PeterFA: you should run apt-get update or aptitude update |
| 19:35.30 | stew | PeterFA: but, again, you shouldn't be using ftp.debian.org |
| 19:35.38 | PeterFA | stew, oh... I did it backwards. |
| 19:35.41 | yaaar | maybe i should just setup an apt proxy on the internal network... |
| 19:36.20 | Zeroyez | Remove the following packages: evolution-exchange, evolution-plugins, gnome-desktop-enviroment |
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| 19:36.27 | Zeroyez | is it serious about the gnome part? |
| 19:36.29 | eptalon | heyas |
| 19:36.33 | PeterFA | stew, I'll fix that. |
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| 19:36.44 | PeterFA | stew, this is a virtual server. |
| 19:36.55 | PeterFA | stew, it came like that. :) |
| 19:37.09 | naiv | Q: is it possible that a website know my real ip when i'm using privoxy over a webserver ? |
| 19:37.19 | Zeroyez | ugh i need my apt-get autoremove this is very unconvenient |
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| 19:37.36 | eptalon | Is there a cd/dvd image (of testing) somewhere that'd allow me to rescue a RAID5 (softraid system) |
| 19:38.04 | stew | Zeroyez: what command give you that message? |
| 19:38.15 | Zeroyez | apt-get autoremove evolution |
| 19:38.21 | Zeroyez | i mean |
| 19:38.24 | Zeroyez | aptitude remove |
| 19:38.25 | Zeroyez | rofl |
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| 19:39.17 | stew | Zeroyez: then yes, since gnome-desktop-environment depends on evolution, if you remove evolution, you must remove gnome-desktop-environment, but since gnome-desktop-environment is just a meta-package which doesn't itself provide any functionality, you shouldn't care about its removal |
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| 19:40.03 | PeterFA | There, thanks. I'm ready to make this server work. |
| 19:40.27 | blubbdieblubb | is it a "must" for servers to install vim-full? or is it okay with vim-tiny? |
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| 19:41.05 | abrotman | blubbdieblubb: most are fine with vim-tiny |
| 19:41.29 | Zeroyez | Well, i removed gnome-desktop-enviroment and now my keyboard doesn't type anything |
| 19:41.29 | eaglexl | Any idea how to make php-pear on debian work? Im keep getting errors about PEAR on every thing that uses it I try to install |
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| 19:41.50 | Zeroyez | ah nevermind that |
| 19:41.56 | Zeroyez | is just virtualbox being annoying |
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| 19:42.07 | blubbdieblubb | thx Zeroyez |
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| 19:42.13 | blubbdieblubb | ops |
| 19:42.16 | blubbdieblubb | abrotman xD |
| 19:42.17 | Zeroyez | lol |
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| 19:42.51 | PeterFA | Wow, this server is fun... downloads at 4 megs a second! |
| 19:42.59 | PeterFA | Megabytes. |
| 19:43.03 | Tapout | wow slow down ;) |
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| 19:43.58 | PeterFA | I love this sort of work. |
| 19:44.02 | PeterFA | I feel so... invincible! |
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| 19:46.32 | IpNextGen | Thanks it worked A1 ! Bye |
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| 19:48.14 | jintxo | guys, if I paste a link t oa virus (don't download it if you're on windows!) cn someone send it to my address? it's a stupid thing to ask, but I'm trying to send it to myself and the smtp servers I use won't let me (because it's a virus, lol). I'm testing clamav + postfix |
| 19:48.34 | bfremon | hi |
| 19:48.51 | bfremon | is there a chan dedicated to Xorg and Debian ? |
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| 19:49.53 | eptalon | Whats the best way to boot into a softraid system (is there something like a Debian rescue CD/DVD?) |
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| 19:50.06 | stew | jintxo: please don't, and its silly to use real viruses anyway, use eicar, its what it is there for |
| 19:50.14 | stew | bfremon: #debian-x on irc.debian.org |
| 19:50.26 | bfremon | stew: thanks |
| 19:50.35 | jintxo | stew yeah I was trying with eicar but I can't send those to myself either, hehe. Oh well no buggy. |
| 19:50.42 | jintxo | s/buggy/biggy |
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| 19:51.13 | valdyn | jintxo: so use your own smtp server |
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| 19:52.02 | jintxo | valdyn, yeah I guess I'll have to, it's just that it's the same smtp server that I put clamav on (and I'd have to reconfigure postifx cause I don't allow smtp from outside); thanks for the suggestion though! |
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| 19:54.54 | ribnitz | heyas. Whats the best CD/DVD image to rescuscitate a probably sarge install with LVM and RAID5? |
| 19:55.03 | jintxo | at least in the logs I see stuff coming in with "status=CLEAN" so I guess it's working :-) |
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| 20:01.37 | histo | Is there an iso for unstable or do I just install testing and change my sources? |
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| 20:02.07 | blubbdieblubb | is someone here who can explain me how i can get acerhk working? |
| 20:02.36 | Zeroyez | omg my diamond radeon HD 4870 card is here :O |
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| 20:04.03 | blubbdieblubb | nice card Zeroyez |
| 20:04.05 | blubbdieblubb | :P |
| 20:04.06 | blubbdieblubb | xD |
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| 20:04.28 | Zeroyez | yeah it went out of stock last week from directcanada so i had to wait an extra 4 days :( |
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| 20:04.56 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 20:04.56 | Zeroyez | i had no idea it was so heavy lol |
| 20:04.56 | histo | nvm I found my answer online |
| 20:04.56 | Zeroyez | since my current video card is like...from 5 years ago |
| 20:05.19 | ribnitz | is it hard to make a bootable cd (plus some drivers for RAID/LVM) of a system currently running fine? |
| 20:05.57 | blubbdieblubb | Zeroyez do you know how good the drivers are for the 4870? |
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| 20:06.53 | abrotman | histo: if you have to ask .. just use lenny |
| 20:07.36 | enzo | i have a strange thing, i want to run a script with screen, so i do screen -d -m daemon.php, but it does nothing, my script is not launch |
| 20:08.06 | enzo | if i do just screen php daemon.php, i get the error: Cannot open your terminal '/dev/pts/2' - please check., maybe it deals with my problem ? |
| 20:08.58 | enouf | ribnitz: INSERT? |
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| 20:10.05 | fixUp | I'm having trouble with my xterm, sometimes it displays garbage characters |
| 20:10.23 | wouterrr | Hello. I use exim4 and i try to use spamassassin to delete messages that have a spamassassin score of 3 or higher. So in the file 40_exim4-config_check_data i have added: condition = ${if > {$spam_score_int}{30}{true}{false}} but the spam is not deleted. |
| 20:10.27 | wouterrr | Anyone an idea how i can fix this? |
| 20:10.34 | ribnitz | enouf: I need to "salvage" some data from a system that is using LVM/RAID5 (and does not look to run correctly); hence the question: whats the quickest/best way to get a rescue CD or DVD for that? |
| 20:10.35 | fixUp | my locale is en_GB.UTF-8 |
| 20:10.57 | stew | ribnitz: any install cd? a debian live cd? ubuntu? |
| 20:11.27 | sorin-mihai | hi. atm i'm using ubuntu 8.04 and i have tested 8.10. i am not satisfyed by the way of *buntu packages beeing updated and some bugs beeing fixed _not_, even if they exists from 2 or 3 relases back in time. i wanna move to debian but i don't know which is the lastest, and yet, i need some stability. any advices? |
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| 20:12.10 | enouf | ribnitz: i only know INSERT and maybe some others like maybe grml.org as LiveCDs may have the modules you neeed |
| 20:12.10 | abrotman | sorin-mihai: etch is the current stable, lenny is testing |
| 20:12.14 | fixUp | ribnitz: I know it's not Debian based but you could try this: http://www.sysresccd.org always served me very well |
| 20:12.36 | ribnitz | stew: A cd that permits to boot; repair a RAID5 setup; and copy some files to an external harddisk. |
| 20:12.44 | stew | ribnitz: yes |
| 20:12.45 | sorin-mihai | abrotman, how can i compare them to see the diferences? |
| 20:12.54 | enouf | ribnitz: who knows - maybe debian-live does |
| 20:13.06 | ribnitz | stew: LVM is also used |
| 20:13.14 | stew | ribnitz: yes, i saw that |
| 20:13.34 | stew | sorin-mihai: what exactly are you looking to compare? packages lists? |
| 20:13.43 | abrotman | sorin-mihai: what differences? |
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| 20:13.56 | enouf | ribnitz: i know the fedora install cds have an option for lvm repair |
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| 20:14.15 | abrotman | sorin-mihai: etch will be more stable with older packages, lenny is less stable with newer packages |
| 20:15.19 | abrotman | taps the screen |
| 20:15.22 | enouf | http://forums.pcper.com/showthread.php?t=410831 for ex; ribnitz |
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| 20:16.01 | ribnitz | stew: what was that url again? |
| 20:17.07 | stew | ribnitz: which? |
| 20:17.56 | ribnitz | stew: the non-debian rescue thing |
| 20:18.22 | stew | ribnitz: http://ubuntu.com ? http://live.debian.net ? |
| 20:20.01 | ribnitz | stew: thanks |
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| 20:22.51 | ron1n | hey guys, how can I fix this? The readlink command was not found. Please install version 1.13.1 or later |
| 20:22.51 | ron1n | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.16 | ron1n | I installed debian on my laptop hard drive via a chroot and debootstrap as per the docs |
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| 20:23.26 | blubbdieblubb | could somebody help me with acerhk? |
| 20:23.32 | blubbdieblubb | have compileproblems |
| 20:23.34 | ron1n | laptop harddrive + USB-IDE cable |
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| 20:24.41 | blubbdieblubb | i get an error -> |
| 20:24.42 | blubbdieblubb | make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build SUBDIRS=/home/copyrightz/acerhk-0.5.35 modules |
| 20:24.42 | blubbdieblubb | make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686' |
| 20:24.42 | blubbdieblubb | scripts/Makefile.build:46: *** CFLAGS was changed in "/home/copyrightz/acerhk-0.5.35/Makefile". Fix it to use EXTRA_CFLAGS. Stop. |
| 20:24.42 | blubbdieblubb | make[1]: *** [_module_/home/copyrightz/acerhk-0.5.35] Error 2 |
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| 20:25.01 | blubbdieblubb | ops |
| 20:25.02 | blubbdieblubb | -.- |
| 20:25.12 | stew | ron1n: what does "dpkg -l debianutils" return? |
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| 20:25.28 | stew | ron1n: or, actually what does "dpkg -l debianutils | tail -1" return? |
| 20:25.30 | magyar_ | looking for a package for bug viewing by number |
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| 20:26.07 | blubbdieblubb | can somebody help me? |
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| 20:26.35 | ron1n | stew, ii debianutils 2.30 Miscellaneous utilities specific to Debian |
| 20:26.38 | jintxo | just remembered he had a vmware test server |
| 20:26.41 | ron1n | forgive my flood |
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| 20:27.29 | stew | magyar_: bts from devscripts |
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| 20:27.34 | ron1n | I'm attempting to aptitude install X server, setserial, xfce4 and xserver-xorg-input-fpit |
| 20:28.03 | magyar_ | thanks steven_ |
| 20:28.09 | stew | ron1n: and /bin/readlink doesn't exist? |
| 20:28.10 | magyar_ | thanks stew |
| 20:28.39 | blubbdieblubb | is helpless |
| 20:28.40 | ron1n | stew, it exsists |
| 20:28.45 | ron1n | exists* |
| 20:28.52 | stew | ron1n: what command gave you that error? |
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| 20:29.25 | ron1n | stew, aptitude install xfce4 |
| 20:30.20 | abrotman | stew: manny got traded .. aren't you excited?! |
| 20:30.22 | abrotman | hides |
| 20:30.47 | stew | abrotman: i heard. we don't know who for though? |
| 20:30.54 | abrotman | nah .. |
| 20:31.01 | abrotman | stew: i suspect a box of cracker jack :) |
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| 20:31.21 | [diablo] | evening guys |
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| 20:31.37 | jescis | evening [diablo] |
| 20:31.43 | [diablo] | just wondered if anyone has started having problems with compiz since recencly updating lenny |
| 20:31.48 | [diablo] | hi jescis |
| 20:31.49 | magyar_ | stew, what about querybts? |
| 20:32.08 | ron1n | I got that error after attempting to install xfce4, here is some more info |
| 20:32.09 | ron1n | /var/lib/dpkg/info/x11-common.postinst: line 330: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 20:32.09 | ron1n | The readlink command was not found. Please install version 1.13.1 or later |
| 20:32.09 | ron1n | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:32.20 | [diablo] | http://pastebin.com/d1643ffbd |
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| 20:32.33 | ron1n | -_- new it was coming |
| 20:32.35 | [diablo] | thats the error I'm getting |
| 20:33.03 | ron1n | [diablo], was that tward me? |
| 20:33.06 | bhundven | abrotman: do you work for sw? if so, pm me. |
| 20:33.13 | [diablo] | ron1n, nope |
| 20:33.16 | ron1n | damn |
| 20:33.22 | [diablo] | ron1n, whats your problem? |
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| 20:33.41 | stew | ron1n: what does "ls -l /dev/null" return? |
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| 20:33.59 | blubbdieblubb | could someone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/d6b4cf473 |
| 20:34.04 | stew | ron1n: is /dev populated? is the partition that the chroot is mounted on mounted nodev? |
| 20:34.10 | ron1n | stew, crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 Jul 31 20:12 /dev/null |
| 20:34.15 | blubbdieblubb | please... :D |
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| 20:34.38 | abrotman | bhundven: i have no idea what that even means .. but you can ask whatever it is in the channel |
| 20:35.26 | ron1n | stew, /dev is populated, via MAKEDEV generic I ran earlier. The disk was automounted via my slackware laptop, I chrooted like this: LANG=C chroot /media/disk/ /bin/bash |
| 20:35.48 | bhundven | abrotman: sw == sonicwall |
| 20:35.48 | stew | ron1n: is /media/disk mounted with nodev? |
| 20:36.00 | Greyscale | Is there any way to make apache make phps files colourful? I'm sure you can. |
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| 20:36.06 | ribnitz | Ideas how I get the volume control on the usb headphones to workß |
| 20:36.08 | ron1n | /dev/sdc2 on /media/disk type ext3 (rw,nosuid,nodev,uhelper=hal,data=ordered) |
| 20:36.11 | ron1n | looks like it |
| 20:36.20 | stew | ron1n: that is why, you'll need dev and suid |
| 20:36.28 | stew | well definately dev |
| 20:36.49 | ron1n | alright, I can specify those options via mount I assume? |
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| 20:37.41 | stew | ron1n: you shouldn't have to, as they are the default |
| 20:37.53 | stew | ron1n: but sure |
| 20:38.07 | ron1n | stew, apparently they aren't, so it shouldn't hurt |
| 20:38.51 | tofaffy|lappy | When I try to install mozilla-firefox it says it can't be installed because of iceweasel. Canthis be fixed? |
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| 20:39.29 | abrotman | bhundven: what kind of question is that .. and why would i? i'm sure they have tech support |
| 20:40.04 | bhundven | abrotman: nah. I worked for aventail when they got acquired by sonicwall, and your name looked familiar |
| 20:40.37 | ron1n | stew, works awesome, thanks |
| 20:40.37 | stew | ron1n: they are. whatever is automounting it for you is overriding the defaults |
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| 20:41.08 | ron1n | stew, that would be HAL messing everything up....again |
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| 20:41.26 | stew | ron1n: for an automounter, this is a good thing |
| 20:41.31 | abrotman | bhundven: uhm .. i've been in #debian for awhile ? |
| 20:41.38 | abrotman | doesn't even know who aventail is |
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| 20:41.49 | bhundven | abrotman: no worries, sorry for bothering you. |
| 20:41.50 | ron1n | stew, after setting an fstab entry, specifying defaults, all is well |
| 20:42.01 | abrotman | bhundven: but i'm sure SW knows of me |
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| 20:45.11 | [diablo] | ok sorted... seemed all my prefs got stuffed |
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| 20:47.51 | Hinata` | How do I install japanese on debian? and How do I make SCIM work? |
| 20:48.09 | Hinata` | there is something about locales I think but I don't remember what ^^' |
| 20:48.25 | ron1n | hey guys, now I need to figure out what this is all about var/lib/dpkg/info/uswsusp.config: line 21: /dev/stderr: No such file or directory |
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| 20:49.45 | wols_ | in that file, it refers to /dev/stderr and it so happens that /dev/stderr for some reason doesn't exist at your place |
| 20:49.48 | wols_ | while it should |
| 20:50.18 | ron1n | wols_, I set up /dev with MAKEDEV generic |
| 20:50.51 | ron1n | as per the docs, I'm using Linux to install Linux on a laptop harddisk, via an IDE-USB cable, debootstrap, and chroot |
| 20:50.57 | wols_ | ron1n: what debian do you use? |
| 20:51.15 | ron1n | wols_, Debian Lenny |
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| 20:51.36 | wols_ | why do you need uswsusp ? |
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| 20:52.12 | ron1n | wols_, I'm installing xfce4 |
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| 20:52.22 | ron1n | and it was a dependancy I guess |
| 20:52.34 | wols_ | ron1n: install etch |
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| 20:53.01 | odla | how can i set my gcc to 4.1 so that i can compile a program? |
| 20:53.14 | wols_ | install it |
| 20:53.19 | ron1n | wols_, will that fix my issue? |
| 20:53.23 | odla | i have it installed ... it wants to use 4.3 |
| 20:53.26 | stew | ron1n: MAKEDEV fd |
| 20:53.43 | stew | odla: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc4.1 |
| 20:53.47 | ron1n | stew, alright, I think I'll try that first |
| 20:53.50 | odla | stew: thanks |
| 20:53.59 | wols_ | stew: does that always work? |
| 20:54.04 | stew | odla: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1 |
| 20:54.07 | stew | wols_: no |
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| 20:54.31 | odla | i forgot the export ... thanks stew |
| 20:55.01 | stew | note: gcc-4.1 not gcc4.1 |
| 20:55.13 | odla | yup |
| 20:55.24 | ron1n | stew, I get this warning /sbin/MAKEDEV: warning: can't read /proc/devices |
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| 20:55.38 | ron1n | and then the same output from aptitude |
| 20:56.56 | ron1n | /var/lib/dpkg/info/uswsusp.config: line 21: /dev/stderr: No such file or directory |
| 20:57.02 | stew | ron1n: mount /proc |
| 20:57.19 | ron1n | mounted, proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 20:57.37 | stew | ron1n: after mount /proc, MAKEDEV should work |
| 20:58.00 | ron1n | stew, it was previously mounted, but I'll try once more |
| 20:58.12 | ron1n | wow, it worked |
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| 20:58.16 | ron1n | sorry for doubted |
| 20:58.56 | ron1n | ugh now I get: /sys not mounted. Can't create uswsusp.conf |
| 20:59.00 | ron1n | followed the docs to the T |
| 20:59.23 | ron1n | works, mount /sys fixed it |
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| 21:09.16 | suTim | http://JennyTheBitch.com/?id=d5435108 <-- LOL |
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| 21:09.48 | peppe | ... |
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| 21:10.23 | Hinata` | Is there someone who know how to install SCIM and/or make it work with Anthy? |
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| 21:15.09 | deconvolution | Hinata`, I only know SCIM for Chinese |
| 21:16.01 | deconvolution | Hinata`, check this: http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~apricots/scim-anthy/howto.html |
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| 21:17.20 | n3kl | Holy crap, debian ran out of memory! |
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| 21:19.54 | Hinata` | deconvolution: thank you but the thing is that in this how to there are things I don't understand like the Environmental Variables part ^^' |
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| 21:20.19 | acidslep | wireless worries! |
| 21:20.23 | acidslep | join the show! |
| 21:20.25 | acidslep | hi guys |
| 21:20.26 | deconvolution | Hinata`, if you are using the recent Debian version you should be bothered by that |
| 21:20.33 | deconvolution | sorry you should not be bothered |
| 21:20.48 | Hinata` | I'm on sid ^^' |
| 21:21.03 | deconvolution | Hinata`, I am checking mine, just wait |
| 21:21.40 | Hinata` | ok thank you very much ^^ |
| 21:21.52 | deconvolution | Hinata`, of course you need to install those scim modules |
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| 21:22.44 | Hinata` | deconvolution: wich scim modules? |
| 21:23.22 | deconvolution | you need to install scim, scim-bridge-agent,scim-bridge scim-bridge-client-gtk | qt4 scim-gtk2-immodule scim-modules-socket etc. |
| 21:23.47 | deconvolution | and im-switch |
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| 21:23.51 | Hinata` | qt4? |
| 21:24.02 | Hinata` | qt isn't for kde? |
| 21:24.04 | deconvolution | depends which environment you are using |
| 21:24.09 | brenden | how does one figure out what colonel the latest installer has |
| 21:24.10 | deconvolution | I use gtk stuff |
| 21:24.18 | Hinata` | gnome at the moment |
| 21:24.25 | Hinata` | I use |
| 21:24.28 | brenden | i tried one but it was failboat |
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| 21:24.43 | brenden | due to 2.6.24 lacking hardware support in that beta 2 thing |
| 21:24.46 | deconvolution | so you need to install scim for gtk modules |
| 21:24.48 | brenden | now i'm trying this: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/unstable/current/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 21:25.32 | deconvolution | Hinata`, and scim-anthy ! |
| 21:26.13 | Hinata` | yes ^^ |
| 21:26.18 | deconvolution | Hinata`, then you need to put these to your ~/Xresources |
| 21:26.24 | Hinata` | so I need all these: scim scim-bridge-agent scim-bridge scim-bridge-client-gtk scim-gtk2-immodule scim-modules-socket anthy scim-anthy |
| 21:26.28 | Hinata` | ? |
| 21:26.41 | deconvolution | export XIM=SCIM export XMODIFIERS=@im=SCIM export GTK_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge export QT_IM_MODULE=scim-bridge |
| 21:26.48 | deconvolution | one export per line |
| 21:27.11 | Hinata` | ok |
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| 21:27.44 | eyeris | My man-pages are malformatted. For instance in ssh_config(5) the double quotes appear as a circumflexed "a" (â). locale -a shows C,en_US,en_US.iso88591,en_US.885915,en_US.utf8, and POSIX (in that order). What else do I need to do in order to make my manpages format correctly? |
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| 21:27.47 | deconvolution | Hinata`, put #!/bin/sh to the top line of .Xresources though |
| 21:28.16 | n3kl | How can I increase the swap live on a system? |
| 21:28.43 | n3kl | I have extended the lvm that the swap lives on, but it does not seem to recognize that there is more swap now |
| 21:28.52 | stew | n3kl: with swapon. if you don't have an unused swap partition/file, you can create one with mkswap |
| 21:28.55 | eyeris | n3kl swapoff, swapon? |
| 21:29.23 | deconvolution | Hinata`, then you need to go to the console and type the command im-switch -c , choose scim-immodule |
| 21:29.24 | Hinata` | deconvolution: do I have to put the qt things too? |
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| 21:29.41 | deconvolution | Hinata`, up to you, I am quite lazy ... |
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| 21:29.48 | stew | n3kl: if you expanded a swap partition, you'd have to swapoff, mkswap, swapon |
| 21:30.02 | n3kl | ah |
| 21:30.08 | brenden | wow you guys are helpful |
| 21:30.09 | brenden | first class |
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| 21:30.11 | n3kl | must be a wierd xen thing then |
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| 21:31.50 | n3kl | Nessus is throwing a warning for my system responding to SYN and FIN tcp flags. I thought this was normal? |
| 21:31.56 | zack23 | I'm having problems installing Debian Etch on a server. It's a network install and I chose ftp.us.debian.org as a mirror but when it "scans packages" it just hangs and then asks me to retry. Pressing Alt+F2 I got the console and I see the machine is assigned an IP of 192.168.1.122 and I can wget http://ftp.us.debian.org just fine. Is there some other issue? |
| 21:32.21 | n3kl | zack23: ftp or http? |
| 21:32.33 | zack23 | n3kl: ftp |
| 21:32.41 | n3kl | try http |
| 21:32.48 | Hinata` | deconvolution: and than it should be ok I start scim and I pray? |
| 21:32.51 | n3kl | could bt a nat issue |
| 21:33.04 | zack23 | I tried both - both work fine and I can apt-get from another box so ftp.us.debian.org isn't down or anything |
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| 21:33.22 | zack23 | I installed a server using the same exact switch earlier today and that worked fine |
| 21:33.27 | Hinata` | ^^' |
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| 21:33.51 | n3kl | zack23: I would continue with the install, forget the mirror, then copy your sources.list from a working machine and then apt-get update once you have the system up and running. |
| 21:34.24 | zack23 | Okay now it's running (third time trying) but it's damned slow. When I do apt-get from another box on the same network, it flies...hmmm |
| 21:34.24 | deconvolution | Hinata`, you should set your default locate to a UTF8 one, I guess you can do that in GDM |
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| 21:34.44 | zack23 | n3kl: could it be the nic? |
| 21:34.53 | Hinata` | deconvolution: I it allready to UTF8 |
| 21:34.55 | zack23 | how can i tell? |
| 21:34.57 | deconvolution | then logout the X and the scim should be loaded into your task bar notification area |
| 21:35.17 | n3kl | meh, maybe, but I wouldn't point the finger durring the install. I have had this happen to me before and I wrote it off as ftp wierdness |
| 21:35.28 | Hinata` | ok than I'll be back in a sec to tell you if it worked ^^ |
| 21:35.41 | deconvolution | Hinata`, no problem, I will be here |
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| 21:36.25 | zack23 | n3kl: should I be able to ping the box during the install - it's assigned 192.168.1.122 but i cant ping it from within the same network |
| 21:37.37 | n3kl | zack23: uh, you may have other issues |
| 21:37.47 | n3kl | zack23: are you sure that is the ip? |
| 21:38.08 | zack23 | yes i did ifconfig and even brought it down and then did dhclient eth0 and it came back up with that IP address. |
| 21:38.13 | zack23 | it's working though?? very odd |
| 21:38.57 | LemensTS | Is icmp blocked |
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| 21:39.24 | Hinata` | Decepticon: Thank you!!! It worked!!! =^.^= |
| 21:39.26 | deconvolution | Hinata`, has SCIM loaded ? |
| 21:39.29 | zack23 | during the install? perhaps..it's downloading the packages and is going fast |
| 21:39.36 | deconvolution | Hinata`, welceom |
| 21:39.42 | deconvolution | welcome ;) |
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| 21:40.04 | LemensTS | zack23: http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/linux-iptables-9-allow-icmp-ping.html |
| 21:40.12 | Hinata` | deconvolution: ~Now I just have to find a what to get a better font when Debian is in japanese | is that possible? |
| 21:41.46 | deconvolution | Hinata`, firstly I am not Japanese ... secondly I heard many people do copy MS Windows ttf font to linux since the latter has a better display for CJK fonts. |
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| 21:42.34 | Hinata` | deconvolution: ok and hem... how do you do that? |
| 21:43.15 | deconvolution | Hinata`, but "apt-cache search japanese | grep fonts" would give you a list |
| 21:43.15 | Hinata` | (sorry about being noob ^^') |
| 21:43.59 | Hinata` | I just install them I look? but how do I choose what to use by default (this is that I don't understand) |
| 21:45.18 | deconvolution | Hinata`, gnome menu->settings->preference->appearance |
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| 21:45.32 | deconvolution | and check the font tab |
| 21:45.45 | Hinata` | ok thank you ^^ |
| 21:45.56 | Hinata` | thank you very much ^^ |
| 21:46.24 | deconvolution | Hinata`, to install a ttf fonts, you need to make sure you have correct fontconfig settings |
| 21:47.01 | deconvolution | then you can copy those ttf fonts to /usr/local/share/fonts |
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| 21:47.31 | deconvolution | Hinata`, and make sure /etc/fonts/local.conf contains the path: <dir>/usr/local/share/fonts</dir> |
| 21:47.34 | n3kl | I already have a mysql server and do now want to install another one. Is there a way to get around this dependency for cacti? |
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| 21:49.44 | keanu | i'm trying to get rtorrent to work with usrquota, but rtorrent seems to be able to download past the hard limit: testuser +- 346M 200M 250M 6days 42 0 0 |
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| 21:49.54 | keanu | any ideas how it's doing that, and how to get it working? |
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| 21:52.50 | Jester45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:53.12 | keanu | Jester45, yes |
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| 21:54.06 | keanu | Jester45, twice now (can't give an exact time on when though) rtorrent has frozen, with "sda2: write failed, user block limit reached." appearing at the bottom |
| 21:54.35 | pickcoder | any suggestions on a .doc to .ps converter? |
| 21:54.56 | keanu | so it seems that it's definitely being run by testuser, it's just that it's able to write a bunch of data before usrquota decides to do anything |
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| 21:55.35 | themill | pickcoder: openoffice |
| 21:56.02 | pickcoder | I'd rather not have to install an entire GUI suite to batch convert |
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| 21:57.30 | Jester45 | keanu, why not use rtorrent's limiter |
| 21:57.44 | keanu | Jester45, what do you mean? |
| 21:57.51 | fixUp | pickcoder: you could try antiword |
| 21:58.02 | Jester45 | rtorrent can limit itself |
| 21:58.08 | pickcoder | it outputs HTML for TeTex |
| 21:58.13 | fixUp | pickcoder: that outputs ASCII and then you could run that through a PS filter |
| 21:58.21 | Jester45 | keanu, i have to go now but ill be back later |
| 21:58.27 | pickcoder | wvPS gives me errors with strangenographic errors |
| 21:58.32 | pickcoder | s/errors/output |
| 21:58.34 | keanu | Jester45, ok, thanks |
| 21:58.46 | keanu | Jester45, i thought rtorrent could only limit bandwidth though |
| 21:58.52 | pickcoder | fixUp: I need to be able to produce a PDF from the Word as-is |
| 21:59.13 | pickcoder | I'm building a mail2pdf pipe application |
| 21:59.26 | fixUp | pickcoder: ah ok |
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| 22:00.08 | pickcoder | I'm thinking the problem with my test file is that it's a barcode font |
| 22:00.28 | pickcoder | the logos and stuff are being converted |
| 22:00.33 | pickcoder | (wrong size though) |
| 22:00.35 | dcestari | hello, I'm having a problem, iceweasel is using swfdec and not flashplayer from adobe! |
| 22:00.50 | dcestari | so my flex apps are not working! anyone could help me? |
| 22:01.01 | Joelito | hi all, this is my problem: I have to partitions sda1 (default) and sda3 (new partition), I recently install another distro which uses also grub, now grub boots from sda3, how do I change grub to read sda1 instead of sda3? |
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| 22:01.45 | dcestari | Joelito: i think update-grub will do it. |
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| 22:02.17 | ma3x | hi fellas |
| 22:02.28 | ma3x | can you please take a look at these errors and tell me if i fucked up seriously? |
| 22:02.29 | ma3x | http://paste.debian.net/13543/ |
| 22:02.54 | levander | How can I change who the output of an "at" job? (at is kind of like cron, and no MAILTO hasn't been working for me) |
| 22:03.02 | dcestari | anyone with the swfdec on iceweasel? I can't remove it, I want to use flash from adobe! |
| 22:03.04 | ma3x | i copied my linux partition and then deleted the copy and resized the 1st to maximum |
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| 22:03.10 | Joelito | dcestari: From where sda1 or sda3? |
| 22:03.28 | dcestari | Joelito: update-grub is a debian app. |
| 22:03.34 | ma3x | im already e2fsck for 3 hours |
| 22:03.37 | ma3x | with millions of those errors |
| 22:03.38 | dcestari | Joelito: so, the one with debian. |
| 22:03.47 | ma3x | does that mean my partition is fucked up or no? |
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| 22:04.30 | streuner | ma3x: 0x51 errors in the logs? |
| 22:04.51 | ma3x | streuner, nope, only things like this |
| 22:04.53 | ma3x | Programming error? block #11239433 claimed for no reason in process_bad_block. |
| 22:04.59 | ma3x | Root inode is not a directory. Clear? yes |
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| 22:05.10 | ma3x | and millions of these: Group 243's inode table at 7963144 conflicts with some other fs block. Relocate? yes |
| 22:05.23 | Joelito | dcestari: oh, ok..thanks |
| 22:05.24 | ma3x | i'm already doing fsck -y /dev/sda1 for 3 hours |
| 22:05.38 | ma3x | do you think it will fix it or no way? |
| 22:06.07 | deadcat | dont most dvd player (for tv) can play a cd/dvd with .avi files? data cd/dvd |
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| 22:06.25 | dcestari | Joelito: then you'll need to add to the /boot/grub/menu.lst your other OS in order to boot it too. |
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| 22:06.35 | ma3x | deadcat, yeah they play xvid/divx too |
| 22:06.42 | ma3x | even older |
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| 22:06.53 | Joelito | dcestari: that's is done, only need to make grub uses sda1 |
| 22:06.55 | keanu | anyone else know how rtorrent was able to exceed usrquota's hard limit, and how to fix it? |
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| 22:07.11 | deadcat | ma3x: hmm. i just tested 1 and it cant play shit.. let me get the model on the @#$$% |
| 22:07.35 | dcestari | Joelito: well, grub actually is not on sda1 if you can't reached, it's on mbr. |
| 22:07.36 | ma3x | deadcat, what kind of avi do you have on your cd? |
| 22:08.16 | dcestari | Joelito: so your sda3's grub got into mbr (as default in most distros), and you need sda1 to override mbr again |
| 22:08.16 | deadcat | ma3x: cyberhome ch-dvd 300. el cheapo i guess. |
| 22:08.33 | deadcat | ma3x: just movies divx. |
| 22:08.51 | Joelito | dcestari: well, that's my noob question..how? :\ |
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| 22:09.25 | webPragmatis1 | can you make a symbolic link unwritable/deleteable? |
| 22:09.46 | deadcat | webPragmatis1: by root? |
| 22:09.47 | ma3x | deadcat, then it only plays dvd/(s)vcd |
| 22:09.50 | webPragmatis1 | ya |
| 22:09.56 | webPragmatis1 | er |
| 22:09.56 | webPragmatis1 | no |
| 22:10.05 | deadcat | ma3x: k... damn. |
| 22:10.05 | webPragmatis1 | only by root |
| 22:10.11 | ma3x | deadcat, how cheap? |
| 22:10.21 | ma3x | streuner, you able to help me out with those errors? |
| 22:10.24 | deadcat | ma3x: i dont know.. its not even mine. |
| 22:10.25 | ma3x | or tell your opinion about it? |
| 22:10.30 | deadcat | webPragmatis1: ya. 600 own by root |
| 22:10.52 | webPragmatis1 | i tried to do chmod go-w |
| 22:11.21 | dcestari | Joelito: update-grub might be the answer |
| 22:11.34 | dcestari | Joelito: or install-grub, that in case the first doesn't works |
| 22:11.46 | ma3x | deadcat, i just had some friend wanting me to install him 'worldcraft' last week. his cdrom didn't read the cds at all. mine read it with no probs. that pisses me off. people buy shit stuff. there is some quality at a chepaer price too, but one should know what to choose |
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| 22:12.34 | Joelito | dcestari: Ok, I'm going to try with update-grub, are both menu.lst going to be overwrite or something? |
| 22:13.02 | deadcat | ma3x: well. my friend has a phillips. so we'll see if it plays or not. |
| 22:13.29 | dcestari | Joelito: nope. but debians menu.lts will be updated (not the part where custom config goes) |
| 22:13.58 | deadcat | linuxworld anyone? next tues-thur. |
| 22:15.21 | Joelito | dcestari: I'll do it, thanks for the tips :) |
| 22:16.41 | dcestari | Joelito: np |
| 22:18.35 | dcestari | anyone having problems with flash and iceweasel? |
| 22:18.39 | dcestari | on lenny |
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| 22:21.40 | n3kl | I am trying to install cacti, and I get mysql_pconnect() [function.mysql-pconnect]: Lost connection to MySQL server at 'reading initial communication packet', system error: 111 in /usr/share/php/adodb/drivers/adodb-mysql.inc.php on line 382 when I visit the site. Where should I look for the solution? |
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| 22:28.04 | ma3x | is anybody here |
| 22:28.11 | ma3x | to help me with my partition problem? |
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| 22:31.37 | keanu | anyone else know how rtorrent is able to exceed usrquota's hard limit, and how to fix it? |
| 22:31.52 | Nyle | hello |
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| 22:32.29 | acidslep | Hey Nyle! |
| 22:32.39 | acidslep | dude i got my clie ux50 to be a remote terminal |
| 22:32.41 | acidslep | sweet huh |
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| 22:39.10 | [Jasper] | hello people I have a questoin |
| 22:39.22 | [Jasper] | I builded apache from source myself |
| 22:39.26 | [Jasper] | I did a debuild |
| 22:39.36 | [Jasper] | now how can I use the rest of the debian packeges |
| 22:39.39 | [Jasper] | like mod_perl2 |
| 22:39.43 | [Jasper] | withouting it complaining? |
| 22:40.15 | webPragmatis1 | anyone know if there is a mozilla addon that allows you to see which files are not sent through https (to fix IE prompts)3 |
| 22:40.23 | jhutchins_wk | If I have a Core 2 Duo, do I need to explicitly install the 686-smp kernel? |
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| 22:46.47 | blaatius | I did a debuild, how can I let apt see it as an official package and stop whining about upgrades and stuff |
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| 22:47.33 | roler | i'm looking for a bit more explanation on tar -u. According to tar --help, it looks like it will only update the archive when files are newer. Is this right? Also if a file is deleted off of a folder, does it delete it from the archive or leave it in there? |
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| 22:48.31 | peppe | roler: try and see it yourself :) |
| 22:49.09 | roler | peppe; yea. :) |
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| 22:49.22 | vyrus001 | how do i start a tftpd on debian? |
| 22:49.22 | sephi77_ | Hi everybody, I can't get ssh-add to take the SSH_ASKPASS environment variable into account in order to use ksshaskpass. It keeps using the command-line ask pass. Any idea ? |
| 22:49.28 | vyrus001 | ive installed it and made the dir but now what? |
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| 22:50.25 | avu | sephi77_, make its stdin be not connected to a terminal |
| 22:50.45 | avu | sephi77_, ssh-add </dev/null or something |
| 22:50.47 | sephi77_ | avu: I tried executing ssh-add via ALT + F2, but nothing happens |
| 22:51.38 | sephi77_ | avu: Oh yeah it works... well thanks ! |
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| 22:52.38 | Stumbles | hi, I installed Lenny from CD 1 without access to a mirror, so I didn't get all the packages that normally come with a networked install. Will running tasksel again install these packages? |
| 22:53.04 | Stumbles | (now that i have network access) |
| 22:53.14 | sephi77_ | avu: btw, do you have any idea on how I could do to use ksshaskpass when connecting for the first time with ssh to a host and then storing the passphrase like with ssh-add ? |
| 22:53.47 | blaatz0r | I did a debuild, how can I let apt see it as an official package and stop whining about upgrades and stuff |
| 22:53.51 | avu | sephi77_, no. I usually have ssh-add automaticly started with my session so the issue doesn't come up for me |
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| 22:54.06 | avu | blaatz0r, use proper versions? |
| 22:54.18 | sephi77_ | avu: Alright, thanks for your help |
| 22:54.29 | avu | blaatz0r, (use dch to increase the version number of your package so that it's newer than the one in the repositories) |
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| 22:55.50 | blaatz0r | hmm avu |
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| 22:56.01 | blaatz0r | will it be seen then by other packages |
| 22:56.03 | blaatz0r | as installed? |
| 22:56.24 | avu | of course |
| 22:58.36 | roler | peppe; so -u doesn't do anything like I thought it would. in fact I have no idea what it's doing other than the archive is getting bigger |
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| 22:59.10 | peppe | roler: -u *appends* data |
| 22:59.26 | peppe | "-u: only append files that are newer than copy in archive" |
| 23:00.19 | roler | peppe; well thats what I thought, but the tar of my web directory is 500 megs. each time I run it, it grows by 500 megs. now I have a 2 gig backup of my web directory. ;) |
| 23:00.34 | SamWeasley | hey... |
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| 23:01.37 | SamWeasley | Could someone say me if skype-rec is on lenny? |
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| 23:02.45 | vyrus001 | has anybody ever used atftpd? i cant figure out why for the life of me it wont run, it just runs the help screen? |
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| 23:03.21 | peppe | SamWeasley: what's skype-rec? packages.debian.org, btw |
| 23:03.46 | SamWeasley | a skype call recorder |
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| 23:05.53 | Zmax` | Hi all, what's the package to install a flash player to watch youtube videos? |
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| 23:06.17 | Phoul | Umm... is something wrong with the video support in lenny at the moment... No AVI files will play for me when yesterday they were fine.. |
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| 23:06.28 | Zmax` | the wiki does not help in that sense |
| 23:06.36 | Zmax` | I use etch |
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| 23:07.37 | aztennenbaum | hey, I have a problem with kde, which is probably pretty simple |
| 23:07.55 | up365 | Zmax`, http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 23:08.43 | Zmax` | thanks |
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| 23:09.09 | peppe | Zmax`: flashplugin-nonfree if you want adobe flashâ¢, or gnash, or mplayer etc. if you just want to see flv files |
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| 23:09.32 | aztennenbaum | whan I open an archive with ark, draging the file gives me the error "the extraction operation failed" |
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| 23:09.44 | Dans34 | ftp://88.110.207.201/ |
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| 23:09.54 | Zmax` | peppe: flashplugin-nonfree does not exist on the repo |
| 23:10.24 | aztennenbaum | this is with the default debian installation of kde |
| 23:11.36 | peppe | Zmax`: do you have contrib repos enabled? |
| 23:11.54 | aztennenbaum | anyone deal with this before? |
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| 23:12.03 | Zmax` | peppe: yes, I have main contrib and non-free |
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| 23:12.13 | peppe | Zmax`: lenny? |
| 23:12.20 | Zmax` | using etch, however |
| 23:12.29 | peppe | Zmax`: ok, grab it from the backports |
| 23:12.56 | peppe | aztennenbaum: does ark give you more details? |
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| 23:13.06 | aztennenbaum | yes, 1 sec |
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| 23:13.51 | Phoul | !debian-multimedia |
| 23:13.51 | dpkg | hmm... dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 23:14.00 | roler | The problem I have with tar is that i use it in a nightly script to create a 7 day incremental backup of my web root directory, on to another hard drive in case I ever have a crash. It uses so much I/O that my websites performance is affected. Is there a way to slow down tar's disk usage or another backup utility that only copies files that are changed? |
| 23:14.06 | Zmax` | peppe: ok, thanks |
| 23:14.16 | Phoul | Umm... is debian-multimedia stable?... i just dont want to add a mirror and bork my system from using its packages |
| 23:14.51 | aztennenbaum | roler: try rsync |
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| 23:16.40 | roler | aztennenbaum; yea... but that doesn't do compression. I guess that is an option though |
| 23:16.55 | tofaffy|lappy | I ran sudo apt-get remove iceweasel and tried to install firefox, but it says I can't because of iceweasel. I tried rm -r'ing the iceweasel directory, and the install firefox by hand, but it STILL opens iceweasel. How can I fix this? |
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| 23:17.48 | tview | tofaffy|lappy: why? iceweasel is firefox but with certain "non free" bits removed. Functionally it is identical. |
| 23:18.09 | _Zeuz_ | is there any way to tell make-kpkg to use several threads? I know with native make I can set -j X to use X number of threads... |
| 23:18.25 | tofaffy|lappy | tview, yes, but I would like to use firefox. How do you uninstall it? |
| 23:18.53 | peppe | it what? uninstall iceweasel or firefox? |
| 23:19.00 | tofaffy|lappy | iceweasel but keep firefox. |
| 23:19.07 | [diablo] | hi, anyone know why emerald is not in lenny please? |
| 23:20.04 | aztennenbaum | peppe: I get and error message window with the title "error - ark" and "the extraction operation failed" and then a list of all tthe files in the archive and ther permissions |
| 23:20.30 | peppe | [diablo]: emerald isn't in debian |
| 23:20.35 | aztennenbaum | no errors from the console |
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| 23:20.48 | [diablo] | hi peppe .. you know why? |
| 23:20.50 | peppe | aztennenbaum: without more info... what kind of archive are you using? |
| 23:21.11 | aztennenbaum | .tar.bz2 |
| 23:21.21 | peppe | [diablo]: does it still exist today? hasn't it have been replaced by compiz-dontknow-windowdecorator ? |
| 23:21.24 | aztennenbaum | http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/httpd-2.0.63.tar.bz2 |
| 23:21.39 | peppe | aztennenbaum: do you have bzip2 installed? |
| 23:21.47 | [diablo] | lol |
| 23:21.50 | [diablo] | dunno either |
| 23:21.51 | aztennenbaum | yup |
| 23:22.01 | aztennenbaum | that works fine |
| 23:22.12 | peppe | tofaffy|lappy: I don't understand what you are trying to do... |
| 23:22.31 | tofaffy|lappy | I want to remove iceweasel and just use firefox. |
| 23:22.32 | aztennenbaum | and ark will extract the files if i use the button, just not drag and drop |
| 23:22.46 | tview | peppe: it sounds straight forward to me. He wants to use Firefox and not the "Debian"d Iceweasel branch. |
| 23:22.47 | tofaffy|lappy | But sudo apt-get remove iceweasel, if I do that, when I try to fun firefox it's still there. |
| 23:22.57 | peppe | tofaffy|lappy: remove iceweasel then and download firefox from mozilla.com, then install this one |
| 23:23.08 | aztennenbaum | oh wait |
| 23:23.30 | tofaffy|lappy | peppe, I did that. I moved it to /usr/bin and tried to run it, but it just doesn't work. It opens iceweasel again. |
| 23:23.34 | peppe | aztennenbaum: hm --- where are you extracting those files to? |
| 23:23.45 | tview | aztennenbaum: do you have a good reason for doing this. Doing things the "non debian way" can often bite you in the arse months down th eline as I discovered with NVidia. |
| 23:23.47 | aztennenbaum | I just tried the button, and it didnt work |
| 23:24.04 | peppe | d'oh |
| 23:24.13 | tview | tofaffy|lappy: did you try update-alternatives? |
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| 23:24.23 | aztennenbaum | im extracting them to my home dir |
| 23:24.33 | aztennenbaum | the error gave me a bit more info tho |
| 23:24.40 | tofaffy|lappy | tview, what would I update? I'm not extrememly farmiliar with that command. |
| 23:24.43 | peppe | tofaffy|lappy: remove and purge all "firefox*" and "iceweasel*" packages |
| 23:24.52 | peppe | that should remove the alternatives too |
| 23:25.03 | peppe | then install mozilla.com firefox |
| 23:25.09 | tview | aztennenbaum: http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Firefox-in-Debian-Linux |
| 23:25.21 | _Zeuz_ | is there any way to tell make-kpkg to use several threads? I know with native make I can set -j X to use X number of threads... |
| 23:25.41 | aztennenbaum | it has somthing like "tar:httpd-2.0.63/build: Not found in archive" for every file in the archive |
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| 23:26.18 | aztennenbaum | the error is "The extractio operation failed |
| 23:26.43 | _Zeuz_ | aztennenbaum, go to a console, and do: tar -zxvf Mozilla-file |
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| 23:26.52 | _Zeuz_ | where mozilla-file is your downloaded package |
| 23:27.04 | aztennenbaum | oh, tar works fine |
| 23:27.09 | peppe | _Zeuz_: CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=X |
| 23:27.14 | aztennenbaum | I want to try to get ark working |
| 23:27.18 | peppe | _Zeuz_: come on, is in the manpage! |
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| 23:27.34 | tofaffy|lappy | tview, what would I run with the update-alternatives? Like what would the command be? |
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| 23:28.00 | _Zeuz_ | peppe, lol, didn't see it... |
| 23:28.13 | peppe | tofaffy|lappy: update-alternatives --config firefox |
| 23:28.15 | _Zeuz_ | so make-kpkg --concurrency-level=X right? |
| 23:28.39 | tofaffy|lappy | pepe: "No alternatives for firefox." |
| 23:28.51 | peppe | _Zeuz_: no, it's an environment variable |
| 23:29.24 | peppe | _Zeuz_: export CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=X ; make-kpkg ..., or just CONCURRENCY_LEVEL=X make-kpkg ... |
| 23:29.46 | peppe | tofaffy|lappy: ok, did you remove and purge iceweasel/firefox packages? |
| 23:29.54 | tofaffy|lappy | yes |
| 23:30.01 | tofaffy|lappy | How can I make sure I got all that were installed? |
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| 23:31.24 | peppe | tofaffy|lappy: dpkg -l "*iceweasel* *firefox*" :) |
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| 23:32.00 | aztennenbaum | the reason this is so wierd is that ark is a fundemental part of kde, so i'd think somthing as basic as drag and drop would work straight out of the box |
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| 23:32.21 | peppe | aztennenbaum: you're right, there is something wrong somewhere |
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| 23:33.42 | tofaffy|lappy | pepe: I am not sure I have all uninstalled but it still opens iceweasel. |
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| 23:34.46 | _Zeuz_ | 12 minutes to compile the kernel, this worked awesome... |
| 23:35.06 | peppe | tofaffy|lappy: hm... the xul* stuff? |
| 23:35.53 | aztennenbaum | hm interesting |
| 23:36.04 | aztennenbaum | archiver also has the same problem |
| 23:36.24 | themill | aztennenbaum: ark can do DND stuff for me with no problems |
| 23:37.09 | aztennenbaum | so you can drag stuff from ark to the desktop without a hitch? |
| 23:37.23 | tofaffy|lappy | pepe: still. I remove xulrunner stuff |
| 23:37.30 | aztennenbaum | andrew@ftagn:~$ ark -vQt: 3.3.8bKDE: 3.5.9Ark: 2.6.4 |
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| 23:38.56 | themill | aztennenbaum: yes, works fine. Asks me if I want to copy/move/etc. Ark 2.6.4 but KDE 3.5.7 from backports.org (not lenny) |
| 23:39.12 | tofaffy|lappy | pepe: but okay here's the weird thing. Down in the fluxbox toolbar it says "Firefox" but at the top of the browser it says iceweasel. |
| 23:39.34 | peppe | tofaffy|lappy: how did you install firefox? |
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| 23:41.20 | tofaffy|lappy | I moved it to /usr/bin |
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| 23:41.30 | tofaffy|lappy | and ran it like cd /usr/bin then ./firefox |
| 23:41.33 | peppe | moved what? |
| 23:41.42 | tofaffy|lappy | the firefox folder |
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| 23:42.29 | peppe | doesn't sound as a great idea... maybe it's still linking the old iceweasel stuff |
| 23:42.55 | aztennenbaum | damn |
| 23:43.03 | aztennenbaum | well thanks anyway |
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| 23:48.10 | hatoon | alguem sabe qual o proximo lançamento ? |
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| 23:50.49 | sladi | tofaffy|lappy: did you check help/about? |
| 23:51.10 | tofaffy|lappy | sladi, no worries I got it fixed. |
| 23:51.14 | tofaffy|lappy | Not quiet sure how...but I did ;) |
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| 23:51.49 | sladi | tofaffy|lappy: OK ^^ |
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| 23:55.09 | jereme | I am attempting to compile a camera driver into a deb via debuild and I did alright until it came to rules... |
| 23:55.10 | jereme | I get |
| 23:55.11 | jereme | make: *** No rule to make target `binary'. Stop. |
| 23:55.23 | jereme | from the command: fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 23:56.13 | jereme | anyone with good debuild experience have a moment to shove me in the right direction? |
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