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| 00:01.06 | rodrigosan | hello all. |
| 00:01.37 | LemensTS | hey. |
| 00:01.37 | rodrigosan | how can I create a floppy boot disk to run in a 386 notebook with 1 mb RAM? |
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| 00:01.54 | rodrigosan | I try using the boot.img from a mirror. |
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| 00:02.21 | rodrigosan | and create a disk, but I can't do it work |
| 00:02.32 | aixenv | i need a way to clone one / drive to another, can gparted do that? |
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| 00:03.56 | rodrigosan | I downloaded the image from http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ |
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| 00:04.30 | Jester45 | aixenv, it can copy partitions |
| 00:04.31 | rodrigosan | anybody? |
| 00:04.59 | wrtpeeps | anyone know how i can stop debian running iceweasel instead of firefox when i type firefox in the terminal? |
| 00:05.19 | karsten | !iceweasel |
| 00:05.19 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 00:05.38 | wrtpeeps | yea, i know what it is. |
| 00:05.48 | Jester45 | remove iceweasel |
| 00:05.50 | karsten | wrtpeeps: icewasel *is* firefox. If you've got a local install of firefox itself, say, in /usr/local, make sure it's first on your path and/or remove iceweasel. |
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| 00:06.29 | radius | or just ln -s /usr/bin/iceweasel /usr/bin/firefox |
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| 00:06.55 | karsten | wrtpeeps: You could also change the /usr/bin/firefox symlink to point where you want it to. |
| 00:06.59 | wrtpeeps | thanks |
| 00:07.01 | karsten | radius: Wrong question, right idea. |
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| 00:07.27 | karsten | wrtpeeps: If you do that last though, you'll have to re-fix the link each time you update. |
| 00:07.50 | wrtpeeps | i have removed iceweasel, just trying to locate where i installed firefox 3 to lol |
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| 00:08.16 | karsten | wrtpeeps: Other options: define an alias or shell function to invoke your preferred version of firefox when you type it. You can also configure various launch icons to do that, though you may find third-party apps and change their associations w/ web browsers. |
| 00:08.22 | karsten | wrtpeeps: 'locate' is your friend. |
| 00:08.32 | karsten | wrtpeeps: aptitude install slocate if it's not already there. |
| 00:08.35 | wrtpeeps | karsten: aye, currently running updatedb |
| 00:08.37 | wrtpeeps | thanks for help |
| 00:08.41 | themill | mlocate ftw |
| 00:08.43 | karsten | NP. |
| 00:08.48 | karsten | themill: ?? |
| 00:09.32 | themill | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/mlocate |
| 00:09.45 | karsten | themill: So mlocate updates its database faster than slocate? |
| 00:10.00 | themill | that's the idea |
| 00:10.12 | karsten | themill: Reading package description, it tracks timestamps. |
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| 00:10.24 | karsten | wonders when the USPS will sell timestamps.... |
| 00:10.33 | karsten | ... and if they'll offer a timestamp collectors album. |
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| 00:13.08 | AljosHa | Hello folks, can i host more name servers at 1 mashine?i mean ns1.blabla.com ns2, and ns1.beeee.com, ns2.beee.com also, so i mean to share bind on 2 name servers, cos of some domains allready configured on that ns'es? |
| 00:13.48 | karsten | AljosHa: Can you host nameservers for multiple domains at one physical host? Yes. |
| 00:14.13 | karsten | AljosHa: *SHOULD* you host duplicate / secondary nameservers for a domain at the same host, or even on the same subnet? *NO* |
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| 00:14.27 | AljosHa | tnx |
| 00:14.33 | karsten | AljosHa: General recommendation IIRC is to have about 4-6 nameservers widely distibuted. |
| 00:14.52 | radius | each nameserver should be unique ;p |
| 00:14.55 | AljosHa | may i know why?i dont host 1 domain on 2 ns'es...for example i have domain of me on 1 name servers, on other name servers are friends domains...also other ips |
| 00:15.35 | karsten | AljosHa: If your nameserver dies, your domain(s) die. If you have multiple nameservers, odds of simultaneous failure are low. |
| 00:16.08 | Jester45 | prefers using pure ip |
| 00:17.07 | karsten | AljosHa: TTLs mean your domains won't die *immediately*, for all users, but in general he ability for Joe Random User to run a lookup for your domain(s) will start to degrade. |
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| 00:17.45 | karsten | Jester45: Real men run their own ATM/Ethernet network using baling wire and duct tape. |
| 00:18.06 | radius | spits coffee on the screen |
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| 00:18.23 | s3a | is there a gui way to upgrade distributions in debian or only in ubuntu cuz with terminal i get problem when trying to upgrade from etch stable to lenny testing about kernel not syncing and panicking or wtv |
| 00:18.26 | AljosHa | hehe, tnx very much karsten, you answered very nice, well il tell you why i wanted this.i had some important name server at 1 vps, it is turned off so i wanna move all all domains hosted there to this new name server, but i dont have access to domains at godaddy, so i dont wanna bother that friend, i just wanna tell to change ips of name servers, but not to change name servers in all 11 domains :)) just thats why...but il do that... |
| 00:18.59 | s3a | booting debian brings me to a terminal (not gui) and it doesnt let me type anything |
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| 00:19.18 | s3a | its the 3rd time i try to upgrade and broke my system |
| 00:19.29 | Jester45 | s3a, ubuntu's gui is just a frontend to the cli commands... so nothing would be diffrent |
| 00:20.00 | s3a | Jester45: ok so do u no wat i could do? cuz my debian system is unusable again |
| 00:20.21 | s3a | Jester45: and i would like to use debian cuz its more stable for my laptop but on desktop i would like to use lenny |
| 00:20.23 | LemensTS | Do you guys usually build .deb packages when you download a programs src, or do you just compile and install? Thats what i have always done, but im thinking if I used apt-get to install something and it had to upgrade a library, it would not know that the src i installed earlier depended on that older library... am i correct here> |
| 00:21.13 | karsten | s3a: Um, there's a GUI aptitude front-end. Synaptic, I think. Try aptitude though, it is *really* good. |
| 00:21.32 | s3a | karsten: thats for package getting not for whole distribution upgrade |
| 00:21.37 | karsten | AljosHa: OK. |
| 00:21.48 | s3a | karsten: im not scared of terminal i just want to fix my brocken system :( |
| 00:22.10 | s3a | karsten: Jester45: do u no how i could fix my problem? |
| 00:22.24 | karsten | s3a: "aptitude update; aptitude -dist-upgrade; dpkg --configure -a" |
| 00:22.33 | s3a | karsten: Jester45: kernel is panicking and not syncing or sumtin and sumtin bout root fs (filesystem i would guess) |
| 00:22.57 | s3a | karsten: i cant type tho at all! i cant even do ctrl+alt+f2 to swtich the terminal windows :'( |
| 00:23.00 | karsten | s3a: the first command updates your package database, the second (should be "aptitude dist-upgrade") will actally run the upgrade, and the last should fix any messed up / unconfigured packages. |
| 00:23.16 | s3a | karsten: i heard sumwere to do aptitude |
| 00:23.19 | s3a | karsten: i did apt-get |
| 00:23.31 | s3a | karsten: then im like o sh*t so i did the fix with aptitude |
| 00:23.31 | karsten | s3a: Otherwise, you'll want to post the output of "aptitude dist-upgrade" to a pastebin and have us walk through the specific packages giving you problems. |
| 00:23.37 | s3a | karsten: does that matter? |
| 00:23.47 | karsten | s3a: aptitude >>> apt-get. It's newerer and betterer and shinierer. |
| 00:23.52 | s3a | karsten: the upgrading of packaghes went well |
| 00:24.02 | s3a | karsten: its a kernel problem or a filesystem one or sumtin |
| 00:24.13 | s3a | karsten: should i go to debian kernel channel if there is one? |
| 00:24.15 | karsten | s3a: I'd recommend _not_ alternating between apt-get and aptitude, though you shouldn't generally mess anything up. |
| 00:24.21 | Jester45 | s3a, do you have a sis chipset? |
| 00:24.24 | karsten | s3a: That'll do it, but you'll have to be more specific. |
| 00:24.34 | s3a | Jester45: how do i find out if i have a sis chipset? |
| 00:24.36 | karsten | s3a: I'm also at work ATM, which I should tend to, so talk to the channel. |
| 00:24.45 | karsten | idles |
| 00:24.52 | Jester45 | lspci s3a look for ide |
| 00:24.53 | s3a | karsten: lol work, sry for bothering u |
| 00:25.04 | AljosHa | karsten works for debian crew ;)) |
| 00:25.09 | karsten | s3a: NP. I'm just not going to be very responsive. |
| 00:26.04 | Jester45 | s3a, lspci |grep IDE should work |
| 00:26.32 | streuner | or just "grep -i" |
| 00:26.52 | s3a | Jester45: http://pastebin.com/d44caf84b |
| 00:27.32 | Jester45 | dang |
| 00:27.47 | Jester45 | i figured it would be sis and i could give you a magical fix :( |
| 00:28.16 | s3a | Jester45: r u jamman? |
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| 00:28.41 | Jester45 | ??? |
| 00:29.00 | s3a | Jester45: o u sounded like sum1 on my msn list lol and ur name is like his name |
| 00:29.15 | Jester45 | o |
| 00:29.18 | Jester45 | nope |
| 00:29.22 | Jester45 | doesnt use msn |
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| 00:32.53 | s3a | Jester45: so no magical cure for other chipsets or wtv? :( |
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| 00:40.56 | Flinx | This is probably a silly question but... how does one set up a static IP address with Debian? |
| 00:41.08 | pingouin | Karlprof: nice quit message |
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| 00:41.42 | pingouin | Flinx: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:41.50 | Flinx | I saw that |
| 00:41.58 | Flinx | it was a really huge list |
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| 00:42.47 | Flinx | is there a man page for the format it needs? |
| 00:42.59 | pingouin | Flinx: iface eth1 inet static |
| 00:43.12 | Flinx | kay |
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| 00:43.40 | pingouin | Flinx: man interfaces |
| 00:44.02 | Flinx | kay |
| 00:44.05 | Flinx | I'll use that |
| 00:44.08 | Flinx | Thanks :D |
| 00:44.33 | Flinx | I tried doing it using ifconfig but I couldn't get it to talk to my gateway |
| 00:45.12 | tview | is back (gone for 00:14.32) |
| 00:45.15 | tview | is back |
| 00:46.22 | pingouin | Flinx: http://pastebin.com/dd309724 |
| 00:46.55 | pingouin | for my card, ip static set to 192.168.0.2 |
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| 00:48.09 | Flinx | Awesome! |
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| 00:48.30 | Flinx | I figgured it would be something like that but all the distros I use have different formatting >.<! |
| 00:49.26 | Flinx | and its been ages since I used Debian |
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| 00:50.34 | AljosHa | anyone have running openvpn on deb |
| 00:50.34 | AljosHa | ? |
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| 00:53.31 | dondelelcaro | AljosHa: lots of people do |
| 00:53.45 | Phoul | is there a guide to prelink & preload in debian |
| 00:53.48 | AljosHa | if i dont have ethernet bridge support at kernel i cannot run it right? |
| 00:53.48 | Phoul | !prelink |
| 00:53.48 | dpkg | prelink is probably a program made by Jakub Jelinek, apt-get install prelink Prelinked binaries will cause warnings in tripwire and checksecurity, and supposedly makes applications start faster. |
| 00:53.49 | dondelelcaro | tview: please turn off the away/back notification |
| 00:54.06 | dondelelcaro | AljosHa: you just need tun/tap support. |
| 00:54.10 | Phoul | !preload |
| 00:54.10 | dpkg | i heard preload is http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/ |
| 00:54.21 | dondelelcaro | AljosHa: Debian kernels have it already |
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| 00:56.12 | AljosHa | check out this: http://pastebin.com/m682c2906 |
| 00:56.27 | AljosHa | after running bridge-start script |
| 00:57.04 | llp | thunderbird >> evolution |
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| 00:57.51 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:58.00 | Nyle | is it possible to install debian inside openbsd? |
| 00:58.51 | Nyle | I know using debootstrap works inside other linuxes, but what about unix? |
| 00:59.21 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: probably if you were using freebsd or similar |
| 00:59.22 | dondelelcaro | Nbut otherwise, it won't work, because the kernel is totally different. |
| 00:59.34 | Phoul | !concurrency |
| 00:59.45 | Nyle | I see |
| 00:59.46 | Phoul | hrm |
| 01:00.12 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, would I have to use the freebsd operating system as well as the freebsd port of debian? |
| 01:00.18 | Phoul | Anyone know about 'concurrency mode' for boot, im reading this how-to of speeding up debian and it says to change to concurrency mode for faster booting |
| 01:00.52 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: I don't know. I'm not familiar enough ith hte differences to tell you. |
| 01:01.16 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, where can I find more information regarding this? |
| 01:01.35 | Nyle | dondelelcaro, I'm not finding much regarding opebsd and debian |
| 01:01.47 | Nyle | (I mean as in irc channel) |
| 01:02.09 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: there's very little, since we don't have an openbsd kernel. If there's a compatiility layer between openbsd and freebsd, it'd probably work. |
| 01:02.20 | Nyle | thats what I was thinking too |
| 01:02.22 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you were using freebsd-i386 or similar) |
| 01:02.29 | Nyle | uhuh |
| 01:02.46 | Nyle | hmm, ok do you know the freebsd based debian support channel's name? |
| 01:03.38 | dondelelcaro | Nyle: not off the top of my head. I'm actually not sure if there is one |
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| 01:03.58 | dondelelcaro | it's the sort of thing that if you're doing, you probably shouldn't be needing support |
| 01:04.49 | AljosHa | dondelelcaro?about question of me?did i made some mistake?http://pastebin.com/m682c2906 |
| 01:04.57 | Nyle | not support, but to discuss some things with other knowledgable people |
| 01:05.57 | Nyle | the how tos and the why fors, etc. etc., try to get a better understanding and maybe they can point in some better documentation that I myself have been unable to find, someting they know that I dont that may help |
| 01:06.07 | Nyle | anyway, I'll hunt around more |
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| 01:11.36 | helo_ | i can't seem to get this serial printer to print out anything... it is in hexdump mode, where it should just print out the hex of anytyhing i send it |
| 01:11.37 | s3a | how do u fix problems if u cant use terminal and ur kernel is not syncing and says problems with root filesystem? |
| 01:11.56 | s3a | no gui either |
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| 01:12.24 | s3a | can i fix debian through ubuntu (different installation)? |
| 01:12.55 | helo_ | as far as i can tell, stty -a /dev/ttyS0 gives me the correct settings |
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| 01:14.11 | helo_ | is there some tool besides stty and setserial that could help me track down the problem? |
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| 01:19.02 | lobak | hello |
| 01:19.57 | gribozavr | hi! i recently lenny on my new laptop (hp compaq 6720s). when i close the lid, kernel panics: BUG: unable to handle kernel null pointer derefernece at 0000000000000000. what can i do to debug this? at least i'd like to know what happens (what scripts run etc) when i close the lid so i can work from there... |
| 01:20.21 | gribozavr | i recently installed* lenny :) |
| 01:20.47 | lobak | how can i send the output of my find command into a file? my command is like this.. find /home/lobak -type f -name "*.old" -exec rm {} \; |
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| 01:21.12 | amphi | gribozavr: some script under /etc/acpi presumably |
| 01:21.17 | lobak | i tried using find /home/lobak -type f -name "*.old" -exec rm {} \; >> find.log but no output there |
| 01:21.19 | gribozavr | lobak: command > file |
| 01:21.51 | gribozavr | lobak: or you could try to send stderr too: command > file 2>&1 |
| 01:22.06 | gribozavr | amphi: thanks... |
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| 01:22.58 | lobak | gribozavr: i tried, but no output |
| 01:23.12 | amphi | gribozavr: you need to find the event, grep for it in /etc/acpi/events, and see what script is called |
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| 01:23.50 | amphi | gribozavr: if you stop acpid, and run acpi_listen and press the lid switch, you should see what event is generated |
| 01:24.00 | enouf | lobak: you probably want tee |
| 01:24.14 | enouf | lobak: you want to rm and store what was done to file? |
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| 01:24.33 | gribozavr | lobak: what output would you expect? does it print anything to the console when not redirected? |
| 01:24.48 | lobak | enouf: no, i want to store the result of find that will going to be rm |
| 01:25.01 | enouf | oh, ok |
| 01:25.27 | dondelelcaro | lobak: then add a -print |
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| 01:25.31 | enouf | so, -exec echo {} >> file.log \; ?? |
| 01:25.37 | enouf | oh |
| 01:26.32 | gribozavr | amphi: just stopped acpi, closed the lid and got a panic. but now a different one :/ |
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| 01:27.02 | gribozavr | amphi: i mean stopped acpid |
| 01:27.18 | lobak | dondelelcaro: that do the work..thanks |
| 01:27.58 | Phoul | Are there gnome modules for the gnome-panel that will show temperatures of things like your cpu and whatnot? |
| 01:28.13 | enouf | ~$ find . -type f -name "*.pdf" -exec echo {} >> file-of-PDFs.log \; <-- seems to work here - though not sure if it'd miss filenames with Spaces in their names |
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| 01:29.26 | dondelelcaro | yeah, echo would work too, just no real point in forking echo |
| 01:29.27 | gribozavr | enouf: find . -type f -name "*.pdf" > file <-- should also work. much simpler command ;) |
| 01:29.49 | lobak | enouf: i was trying to find and rm the found file and after that pipe the result of find into a log file |
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| 01:30.08 | dondelelcaro | there's an implicit print if you have no other actions |
| 01:30.13 | lobak | enouf: but -print already do the trick |
| 01:30.30 | jigp | hello :) good morning |
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| 01:31.03 | enouf | dondelelcaro: gotcha .. you too lobak ;-) know that you might want -print0 (and | xargs -0 ... if needed) for filename with spaces |
| 01:31.14 | neofpo_ | Hello folks. I am trying to make my notebook hibernate from within GNOME, but it won't go. If I call s2disk as root, it works perfectly. |
| 01:31.16 | jigp | is it possible to switch to debian without reformating and install debian in running ubuntu?im running ubuntu now and i wish to switch to debian...thanks |
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| 01:32.19 | s3a | i have a question about dist-upgrade can sum1 answer plz |
| 01:32.24 | dondelelcaro | jigp: yes, but how to do it changes constantly, and it's not necessarily trivial. |
| 01:32.27 | dondelelcaro | !tell s3a -about ask |
| 01:33.07 | Jester45 | would try to answer but he doesnt know the question |
| 01:33.44 | jigp | hmmm my question is crusial...dondelelcaro. hehe |
| 01:33.55 | enouf | neofpo_: what's output of 'groups' say - no need for username to show if you don't want |
| 01:33.56 | Phoul | Hello everyone, are there any gnome-panel modules that will show system temp if the sensers are setup |
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| 01:34.20 | enouf | neofpo_: naturally, run that as a regular user |
| 01:34.43 | jigp | dondelelcaro : what i mean is, im running now an ubuntu desktop 8...is it possible to upgrade it into debian without reformating my ubuntu box? is there a command to type like sudo apt-get install debian? thanks |
| 01:34.48 | s3a | dondelelcaro: since its a simpel question im sure u urself could answer it ;) ... to upgrade from debian oldstable to stable, all u need to do is apt-get dist-upgrade or aptitude upgrade, right? its only from going from stable to testing that u need to change the /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
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| 01:35.36 | enouf | see /topic |
| 01:35.48 | enouf | oh crap |
| 01:35.56 | enouf | !sarge->etch |
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| 01:36.17 | enouf | hrm.. oldstable->etch ? :-P |
| 01:36.33 | s3a | enouf: r u talkin to me? |
| 01:36.45 | neofpo_ | enouf: hum... missing powerdev group |
| 01:37.07 | enouf | neofpo_: there ya go |
| 01:37.17 | neofpo_ | enouf: but shutdown / reboot do work... |
| 01:37.30 | neofpo_ | enouf: trying it again now |
| 01:37.31 | enouf | !sarge->etch |
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| 01:37.38 | enouf | sammit |
| 01:37.57 | enouf | dammit even - it;s working in PM |
| 01:38.07 | jigp | hello guys is it possible to upgrade it into debian without reformating my ubuntu box? is there a command to type like sudo apt-get install debian? thanks |
| 01:38.11 | enouf | sarge->etch is read the etch release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes ; the recommended upgrade procedure for sarge->etch is no longer as simple as running "aptitude dist-upgrade", please follow the prodedure in the <release notes>. Also ask me about <security> It's now time to put those upgrade plans into action as security support ended on 31 March 2008 (http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080229). |
| 01:38.45 | neofpo_ | enouf: w00t! working! Although I am thinking I should bug report it, since I have no privileges for that operations, and still, I have the menu entries for suspend / hibernate... and plus, no error message. |
| 01:39.26 | enouf | yeah neofpo_ shutdowm/reboot are controlled via the DE perms set in it's control panel - halt and reboot, etc .. |
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| 01:39.39 | neofpo_ | jigp: you can erase everything but your /home and install debian over it. Of course, you might encounter problems with configuration files from some programs |
| 01:39.50 | neofpo_ | jigp: the best would be to start with a fresh system |
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| 01:40.07 | enouf | neofpo_: hrm .. i never played with any of that stuff - so not sure |
| 01:40.15 | gribozavr | that's really strange. does anyone know, if 'button' kernel module is responsible for lid button? i unloaded that module, stopped acpid, closed the lid and still got a panic... |
| 01:41.01 | enouf | jigp: careful with the dotfiles in /home indeed - "/msg dpkg dotfiles" |
| 01:41.07 | gribozavr | jigp: i would backup /etc, save a list of installed packages and install debian from scratch |
| 01:41.13 | enouf | so backup /home anyway |
| 01:41.22 | enouf | that too, .. yep |
| 01:41.46 | enouf | except ubuntu is using now up2date so /etc/ might be a wash |
| 01:41.49 | enouf | ? |
| 01:41.54 | neofpo_ | enouf: thanks for the tip ;-) |
| 01:41.56 | enouf | gah |
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| 01:42.05 | enouf | i meant "upstart" |
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| 01:42.13 | enouf | neofpo_: np |
| 01:42.18 | neofpo_ | enouf: now my EEE PC boots in 26s from cold boot, even with 3,6G of software into it |
| 01:42.29 | enouf | hehe |
| 01:42.35 | gribozavr | enouf: of course i don't mean blindly un'tar'ing ubuntu /etc onto debian. just copy only relevant parts of some files... |
| 01:42.42 | Phoul | enouf, do you know of the gnome modules for the panel that show your system temp and all that goodness |
| 01:42.58 | enouf | Phoul: i never used gnome |
| 01:43.23 | enouf | (well, almost never) |
| 01:43.41 | Phoul | whatcha use? |
| 01:43.51 | enouf | assorted other things |
| 01:44.15 | jigp | neofpo_ enouf gribozavr : ok. thanks for the advices.best is to install fresh right? what about the packages that ive downloaded in ubuntu?still needed by the debian also?or i will download the packages in debian desktop? |
| 01:44.25 | Phoul | enouf, such as? |
| 01:45.24 | enouf | jigp: i would get all new debian pkgs indeed - even though SOME of ubuntus might work - plucking those out? ugh .. |
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| 01:45.55 | enouf | not to mention if they'll necessarily play nice with certain debian ones |
| 01:46.10 | enouf | Phoul: why do you care? |
| 01:46.11 | gribozavr | jigp: it depends... afaik, almost all packages that are in ubuntu official repo are in debian repo. the packages have the same software inside, but the packaging is different |
| 01:46.40 | Phoul | enouf, just curious since im considering GNOME replacements, I'm used to running things like openbox however sometimes it doesnt quite cut it, I was just curious what you used :) |
| 01:46.44 | enouf | gribozavr: i'd be very careful about making a comment like that |
| 01:46.53 | gribozavr | jigp: i mean that you will get the same software in debian, but you probably wouln't want to install ubuntu packages onto debian if there are native debian packages available |
| 01:47.38 | enouf | Phoul: well. there's kde, xfce , and some others - check em out ;-) |
| 01:47.42 | jigp | gribozavr : okay thanks. i have downloaded a net install debian already.i dont have the whole package |
| 01:47.51 | enouf | or just x-window-managers |
| 01:47.56 | enouf | !xwinman |
| 01:47.56 | dpkg | xwinman is probably probably http://xwinman.org/ - Look here for a lot of popular window managers with somewhat recent screenshots and descriptions/links and decide which one works best for you... or TRY THEM ALL! |
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| 01:48.04 | gribozavr | enouf: are there differences? though a disclaimer: i didn't ever use ubuntu... |
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| 01:48.14 | enouf | i use apt-cache search x-window-manager |
| 01:48.17 | doublehp | my wireless card can not associate with any AP under Debian; it does under most other systems; any idea ? for example, in the same machine, booting Knoppix, the same card wirks fine. Under debian, other cards work fine, but, a given one can not associate (still, the card is recognised, the driver is loaded, iwconfig shows the card , but it just never associates; forcing "iwconfig foo ap XXXX" does not help having traffic either) |
| 01:48.30 | Lectus | Does debian have any plans of using upstart, so it boots faster? |
| 01:48.56 | Jester45 | anyone here able to get fretsonfire working? it seems to not be able to access opengl or opengl is having problems starting |
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| 01:49.00 | jigp | enouf what is the difference between debian and ubuntu? |
| 01:49.01 | enouf | gribozavr: neither have i - but i know quite a few things in ubuntu are different - some slightly, some extremely |
| 01:49.10 | enouf | and it's gap is growing |
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| 01:49.35 | Jester45 | agrees with the growing |
| 01:49.38 | enouf | jigp: please don't ask that .. |
| 01:49.54 | enouf | !why debian |
| 01:49.54 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 01:50.03 | Jester45 | when buntu first came out it was pretty close but now it has a lot of things added on |
| 01:50.06 | gribozavr | enouf: yes, i was really puzzled when a friend told me that his unix book said that every system has an inittab, but his new-shiny ubuntu doesn't |
| 01:50.58 | jigp | enouf : sorry. ouur teacher in the lab told us that ubuntu and debian are equal |
| 01:51.06 | jigp | enouf - the same |
| 01:51.17 | enouf | gribozavr: bingo - and thats' one major diff - the kernel params/config and patches are diff, the places files get stored, etc ... (even though many are the same) |
| 01:51.18 | sladi | jigp: I'd guess Ubuntu tries to provide a complete package which has some wizards added for added usability. |
| 01:51.43 | enouf | jigp: you lab teacher needs an edumacation ;-) |
| 01:51.49 | enouf | your* |
| 01:51.52 | jigp | edumacation? |
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| 01:52.05 | enouf | jigp: it's a pun on education ;-) |
| 01:52.08 | n3kl | I just upgraded my kernel in lenny and now videos don't play sound. Am I missing something? |
| 01:52.09 | neofpo_ | jigp: ubuntu was based on debian, this does not make them the same |
| 01:52.10 | Jester45 | i would say new users go ubuntu -> debian -> gentoo? -> debian |
| 01:52.15 | jigp | enouf : ahhh ok hehe |
| 01:52.32 | neofpo_ | Jester45: LOL |
| 01:52.34 | enouf | then there |
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| 01:52.43 | Jester45 | well at least thats how most of my systems end up going |
| 01:52.54 | doublehp | gribozavr: either they renamed the file (it's just a name to change in the source of init); or compleetely changed the start process ... what will loose UNIX admins |
| 01:52.55 | Jester45 | or... suse -> rm -rf / |
| 01:53.17 | doublehp | Ubuntu is aimed at Windows consumers anyway ... |
| 01:53.24 | jigp | enouf good for desktop too right?(debian)...the server of my teacher in the lab is debian |
| 01:53.39 | gribozavr | doublehp: i googled that they use a completely different system called upstart |
| 01:53.54 | Jester45 | debian is pretty g ood at everything. i do use gentoo on my servers because i want them lean |
| 01:54.07 | doublehp | gribozavr: then, it may not be a unix anymore :) |
| 01:54.33 | enouf | doublehp: they completely altered the init process, afaik .. there's a /etc/upstart/events or something now |
| 01:54.47 | Lectus | jigp: Debian is the original. Ubuntu is based on debian, but it's not debian nor debian-compatible (packages are different, etc). Ubuntu is more out-of-the-box (install and run) and offers very little customization options outside of the normal desktop settings. Debian also have out-of-the-box desktops, but is a lot more customizable. Ubuntu has more wizards, Debian lets the user configure the system without getting too much in the users way. Some people sa |
| 01:54.49 | enouf | jigp: sure .. yep |
| 01:55.30 | Jester45 | hates ubuntu's wizards |
| 01:55.33 | enouf | doublehp: it's the sysv boot process - debian can even use the file-rc method still |
| 01:55.37 | Jester45 | allways reversing my custom settings |
| 01:55.39 | enouf | !info file-rc |
| 01:56.06 | dpkg | file-rc: (Alternative boot mechanism using a single configuration file), section admin, is extra. Version: 0.8.11 (sid), Packaged size: 35 kB, Installed size: 188 kB |
| 01:56.16 | doublehp | how do i make my debian use an alternate driver for a device ? for my wifi card, it tends to use ath5k that does not work; knoppix uses ath_pci that works way better ... |
| 01:56.20 | enouf | ubuntu also freely parades about it's use of Binary Blobs |
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| 01:56.53 | enouf | doublehp: er.. blacklist the module you don't want to use |
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| 01:57.07 | doublehp | enouf: problem is that Debian does not provide ath_pci ... |
| 01:57.08 | enouf | and add the one you want to /etc/modules and/or your initrd |
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| 01:57.22 | enouf | doublehp: build it? |
| 01:57.29 | doublehp | enouf: and i am pretty sure that card used to work on debian |
| 01:57.30 | enouf | !module-assistant |
| 01:57.30 | dpkg | well, module-assistant is a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
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| 01:58.29 | enouf | doublehp: anyway "/msg dpkg blacklist" |
| 01:58.33 | Lectus | upstart seems to make booting process a lot faster. I wonder if debian will adopt it. |
| 01:58.52 | enouf | doublehp: http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-out-of-tree |
| 01:59.12 | n3kl | Anyone know why I would have sound before I log into my DE? |
| 01:59.14 | enouf | Lectus: we don't reboot - so don't care :-) |
| 01:59.36 | Lectus | enouf: that's a good point lol |
| 01:59.36 | doublehp | enouf: you dont udnerstand: i dont even know which driver i should install ... |
| 01:59.40 | enouf | n3kl: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 01:59.41 | Jester45 | n3kl, sound doesnt need a gui. |
| 02:00.16 | n3kl | I log into the system before I log into X, everything works. I log into X and sound is gone. |
| 02:00.20 | doublehp | enouf: in other words: card used to work last month, i did updates, and it's now broken |
| 02:00.49 | sladi | n3kl: try a different video driver maybe. |
| 02:00.50 | enouf | doublehp: boot knoppix , then look at (grep) it's /lib/modules/`uname -r`/modules.dep file for the one you want |
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| 02:01.17 | n3kl | sladi: its not just videos though, its audio in general |
| 02:01.20 | enouf | doublehp: but m-a takes care of much of that , IINM |
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| 02:01.33 | enouf | doublehp: modinfo <modulename> |
| 02:01.47 | doublehp | enouf: do you really think i can copy the module directly ? |
| 02:02.01 | enouf | n3kl: sounds like a DE or WM setting |
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| 02:02.30 | enouf | doublehp: i'd try it, and run 'depmod -a' .. not sure |
| 02:02.30 | n3kl | The *only* thing that has changed is the kernel, why would that cause a probelm. |
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| 02:02.47 | enouf | doublehp: better atleast have very close kernel versions ;-) |
| 02:03.14 | enouf | n3kl: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 02:03.25 | sladi | n3kl: I had a problem once where the video drivers would disable the onboard lan. It was a kernel issue. |
| 02:03.32 | enouf | alsa changes, that's why |
| 02:03.39 | enouf | alsa is in the kernel |
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| 02:03.46 | n3kl | enouf: I have already done that prior to asking |
| 02:03.55 | enouf | you didn't say so |
| 02:04.15 | enouf | and ? which part fails? |
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| 02:04.16 | doublehp | enouf: i am tired of having to copy kernel from distro to debian ... debian never had any kernel working properly in the last 10y ; either had to compile manually, or copy from an other distro :'(((( |
| 02:04.36 | enouf | doublehp: go whine elsewhere please |
| 02:04.38 | enouf | :-) |
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| 02:04.58 | n3kl | no part fails. Alsa modules are loaded correctly, alsa restart works fine, I am a member of the correct groups, speakers work before logging into X |
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| 02:05.12 | enouf | or learn to make your own kernels , or use newer ones (or older) that debian offers |
| 02:05.15 | Lectus | guys, please answer a doubt I always had since back in the time I tried debian: if I want to install the flashplugin or other non-free stuff they're only located at sid repos or they can be found at etch and lenny? |
| 02:05.28 | doublehp | what is the Knoppix help chan ? |
| 02:05.33 | n3kl | doublehp: seriously, tell someone who cares |
| 02:05.41 | n3kl | doublehp: why don't you go ask #knoppix |
| 02:05.42 | enouf | n3kl: not possible according to checklist |
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| 02:06.01 | doublehp | n3kl: because it's empty |
| 02:06.23 | n3kl | doublehp: go google and find out then. Nobody cares about knoppix |
| 02:06.28 | enouf | Lectus: ofcourse etch and lenny have contrib and non-free |
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| 02:07.03 | Lectus | enouf: but is flashplugin-nonfree at lenny for example? or do I have to enable sid to get it? |
| 02:07.04 | Jester45 | i care about knoppix |
| 02:07.21 | pickcoder | !info flashplugin-nonfree lenny |
| 02:07.21 | n3kl | knoppix is a waste imho, and this is not a knoppix channel |
| 02:08.04 | enouf | Lectus: you have to look - packages.debian.org is good for that |
| 02:08.13 | sladi | Lectus: try to download the plugin and put it in the mozilla dir in home. |
| 02:08.21 | doublehp | n3kl: => (04:05:28) doublehp_f: what is the Knoppix help chan ? |
| 02:08.33 | enouf | !flashplugin-nonfree lenny |
| 02:08.37 | pickcoder | its |
| 02:08.43 | enouf | !flashplugin-nonfree testing |
| 02:08.44 | pickcoder | not in lenny |
| 02:08.50 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:08.58 | enouf | !flashplugin-nonfree |
| 02:08.58 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 02:09.02 | pickcoder | it's in bpo |
| 02:09.03 | Lectus | I just wanted to know if I have to run a lenny/sid system in order to get flash or if lenny has it. I plan to use lenny when it goes stable. |
| 02:09.26 | enouf | i don't use that crap either |
| 02:09.31 | enouf | so i don;t know |
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| 02:09.40 | Phoul | Lectus, if you run lenny you can just get the flash package from the net and install it yourself |
| 02:09.58 | Lectus | hmm... ok... thanks guys |
| 02:10.00 | Wyzard | flashplugin-nonfree isn't going to be in future releases of Debian? |
| 02:10.06 | Lectus | btw... does gnash works well? |
| 02:10.13 | Wyzard | It's in contrib in sid |
| 02:10.26 | pickcoder | Wyzard: it's not in there now.. it's a meta package that downloads from adobe |
| 02:11.07 | Wyzard | pickcoder: That's what it's always been |
| 02:11.16 | enouf | !adobe flash |
| 02:11.17 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 02:11.24 | enouf | oh |
| 02:12.12 | Wyzard | I'm wondering what's going to become of the nVidia driver, too, since that's not in lenny and lenny is frozen |
| 02:12.34 | enouf | well - nvidia has no plans of going FOSS .. |
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| 02:12.48 | n3kl | I believe ati do though |
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| 02:13.00 | enouf | sorry if that wasn't on point |
| 02:13.04 | Wyzard | though officially non-free software is not a priority, but Debian would be shooting itself in the foot by making a release that lacks support for any of the modern features of nVidia GPUs |
| 02:13.04 | n3kl | iirc, they hired a xorg dev recenly |
| 02:13.45 | Wyzard | ATI's specs notwithstanding, nVidia's cards are pretty prevalent |
| 02:14.17 | Jester45 | man dasher is hard to type with |
| 02:14.34 | n3kl | what the hell is dasher? |
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| 02:14.46 | Wyzard | an accessibility feature of GNOME |
| 02:14.53 | Wyzard | for text input |
| 02:15.01 | n3kl | gag |
| 02:15.15 | Jester45 | you use the mouse to find letters... |
| 02:15.27 | Wyzard | reportedly fairly clever, though I've never used it |
| 02:15.29 | Jester45 | on screen board would be better |
| 02:15.42 | Jester45 | it is a good idea just hard to use |
| 02:16.04 | Jester45 | they said an expert can get 39 wpm |
| 02:16.08 | enouf | Jester45: tried one of those rollup keyboards? how about the virtual ones? |
| 02:16.09 | Lectus | do the free implementations of flash (gnash or swfdec) work ok for casual flash pages like youtube? |
| 02:16.50 | enouf | Jester45: the ones that "project" the image of a keyboard on a flat surface |
| 02:16.56 | pickcoder | avoids flash on Linux |
| 02:17.06 | Jester45 | the rolled up arent bad |
| 02:17.14 | Blast_Hardcheese | hates flash in general |
| 02:17.18 | Jester45 | havented tried the laser type |
| 02:17.18 | pickcoder | enouf: thinkgeek sells a laser keyboard |
| 02:17.24 | pickcoder | too much $ for a toy |
| 02:17.33 | enouf | Lectus: i use mplayer and ffmpegs libflash for youtube videos |
| 02:17.41 | enouf | no plugins here |
| 02:17.48 | Lectus | hmm |
| 02:17.58 | enouf | pickcoder: yeah - that's the one |
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| 02:18.57 | n3kl | enouf: why? Flash isn't that hard to get running? |
| 02:18.59 | enouf | Lectus: for ex; |
| 02:19.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:19.01 | n3kl | re, . |
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| 02:19.30 | enouf | n3kl: i don't use bloated crap and let unknown code whiz around ;-) |
| 02:19.59 | enouf | Lectus: there's alos a youtube-dl pkg |
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| 02:20.29 | n3kl | enouf: fair enough. Still seems a little leetist |
| 02:20.36 | enouf | it is ;-) |
| 02:20.46 | n3kl | too... |
| 02:20.58 | enouf | FlashCrapMonkeyShockShit can suck my hairy ass |
| 02:21.09 | n3kl | I mean I read email in mutt and use fluxbox most of the time, but seriously, mplayer as a replacement for flash |
| 02:21.51 | pickcoder | even for shockwave or director apps? |
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| 02:22.48 | n3kl | enouf: I get No stream found to handle url http://www.youtube.com/get_video.... when I tried your magic hack |
| 02:23.10 | enouf | n3kl: gah, they change the full URL sometimes |
| 02:23.22 | enouf | like rolling changes |
| 02:23.24 | Phoul | Hey all, I just installed an app that i dont actually need apparently, And im wondering if theres a way to pull up what was installed in the last run of apitiude so ic an remove it and all its deps that were installed |
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| 02:23.49 | enouf | n3kl: one sec |
| 02:23.54 | n3kl | enouf: so I should be able to copy any video link from youtube? |
| 02:24.11 | n3kl | enouf: honestly, even after that sh1+ that I just said, you might have a convert. |
| 02:24.15 | n3kl | ;) |
| 02:25.18 | enouf | n3kl: i'll send it in PM so not to Flood |
| 02:25.49 | enouf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw for all others interested |
| 02:26.34 | Phoul | Hrm, I uninstalled a group of programs however for those programs the startup scripts are still there, is there a reason for this? |
| 02:28.26 | Phoul | Anyone know how to purge all already uninstalled programs? |
| 02:28.50 | pickcoder | Phoul: man aptitude |
| 02:29.45 | Wyzard | Phoul: In aptitude, highlight the "not installed packages" heading and press '_' |
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| 02:31.47 | n3kl | Ok, enouf, you hack I think might be better than youtube! |
| 02:31.59 | n3kl | with flash I mean |
| 02:32.54 | LemensTS | Do you guys usually build .deb packages when you download a programs src, or do you just compile and install? Thats what i have always done, but im thinking if I used apt-get to install something and it had to upgrade a library, it would not know that the src i installed earlier depended on that older library... am i correct here> |
| 02:33.50 | Wyzard | LemensTS: Correct, when you install something from source, apt doesn't know about it |
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| 02:34.12 | Wyzard | LemensTS: You can use the "equivs" package to work around that, but the preferred solution is to install things from packages rather than from source |
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| 02:35.44 | pickcoder | LemensTS: what are you wanting to compile? |
| 02:36.22 | elenril | LemensTS, you can use checkinstall |
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| 02:36.26 | LemensTS | pickcoder: Im into phone systems, i usually compile asterisk. |
| 02:36.32 | assem | whenever i try to change my desktop wallpaper using a specific directory containing images my Xwindows black screens and becomes unresponsive to anything except ctrl alt del. i'm using intel Xserver, any ideas? |
| 02:36.34 | elenril | it's not perfect, but works in most cases |
| 02:36.47 | Phoul | Hrm, Aptitude is acting up... |
| 02:37.05 | pickcoder | LemensTS: the stable version is too old? |
| 02:37.11 | Phoul | is there a way to clear aptitudes cache, Every time i run it its suggesting stuff to me cuz i think i hit a wrong button lol.... |
| 02:37.18 | Phoul | But im not sure how to tell it to knock it off |
| 02:37.26 | LemensTS | ill read up on equivs and checkinstall....i tried a couple other ways without luck |
| 02:37.56 | LemensTS | pickcoder: i like the latest release, i think debian only has 1.2, asterisk is at like 1.4.21 right now heh |
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| 02:38.13 | elenril | i don't think quivs is a good thing here, it will just make a dummy package |
| 02:38.37 | elenril | removing it won't remove the program |
| 02:40.39 | pickcoder | good grief.. I can't even download the asterisk source tarball from their site |
| 02:40.46 | pickcoder | stupid pop-up downloaders |
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| 02:42.53 | enouf | !tell LemensTS about stow |
| 02:43.20 | enouf | !beer Abrotman |
| 02:43.20 | dpkg | deftly decants a fine Jever for Abrotman |
| 02:43.25 | pickcoder | every freaking download link is a redirect pop-up |
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| 02:43.27 | enouf | oh, he's offline - er |
| 02:43.48 | enouf | pickcoder: don't you just love that crap? :-P |
| 02:44.06 | pickcoder | I would have expected better from an OSS web site |
| 02:44.28 | Phoul | dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -d ' ' -f3 | xargs aptitude purge <-- does this work for anyone, it errors out for me |
| 02:44.28 | dpkg | ii | grep ^rc | cut -d ' ' -f3 | xargs aptitude purge <-- does this work for anyone, it errors out for me 3.3-14.1 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 02:44.28 | UD_ | pickcoder get it via svn |
| 02:44.37 | Phoul | =| |
| 02:44.40 | enouf | i know - shame - they're falling like flies onto the glue paper - otherwise known as AJAX :-P |
| 02:44.40 | Phoul | wow |
| 02:44.53 | pickcoder | UD_: I don't care about svn.. I just wanted to see if the source tree contained Debian package build files |
| 02:45.16 | enouf | Phoul: 1st off try awk |
| 02:45.20 | UD_ | not in the repository? |
| 02:45.30 | Phoul | its xargs freakin out on me, not cut |
| 02:45.39 | pickcoder | UD_: not for me.. LemensTS wanted the recent build |
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| 02:46.07 | pickcoder | !info asterisk sid |
| 02:46.09 | dpkg | asterisk: (Open Source Private Branch Exchange (PBX)), section comm, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.21.2~dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2365 kB, Installed size: 6004 kB |
| 02:46.10 | enouf | Phoul: i know .. so what you do is send it to file, then feed xargs the file list |
| 02:46.22 | enouf | or workaround it some other way |
| 02:46.22 | pickcoder | LemensTS: you can do a sid backport |
| 02:46.44 | Phoul | enouf, the thing is... |
| 02:46.49 | Phoul | i get this when ever i call xargs |
| 02:46.54 | Phoul | xargs: aptitude: exited with status 255; aborting |
| 02:47.18 | enouf | Phoul: echo $IFS (any output?) |
| 02:47.35 | Phoul | no |
| 02:47.35 | enouf | Phoul: oh wait, maybe you need perms? sudo? |
| 02:47.42 | Phoul | naw i was running it as root |
| 02:47.46 | Phoul | well.. super user |
| 02:47.55 | LemensTS | pickcoder: thanks, I run Etch tho on my machines |
| 02:48.09 | pickcoder | LemensTS: a backport compiles it for Etch |
| 02:48.12 | enouf | well, xargs .. try -1 or something .. i can't play with this crap right now |
| 02:48.22 | enouf | or -n1 |
| 02:48.28 | Phoul | -n1 for xargs? |
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| 02:48.36 | enouf | yeah, man page |
| 02:48.44 | Phoul | aye it just errors out again however |
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| 02:49.03 | Phoul | i keep getting status 255 everytime |
| 02:49.30 | LemensTS | pickcoder: i think i need to install asterisk from source so I have the source file there in case i have to patch it or something. Also if something changes in the Zaptel phone driver package, then i have to recompile asterisk. Im not certain how that would work if i used .deb package of asterisk, i guess just reinstall it without doing make samples. |
| 02:49.53 | pickcoder | LemensTS: you have to get the source from sid to build the backport |
| 02:49.57 | pickcoder | so you can patch it if you want |
| 02:50.35 | enouf | Phoul: does this work there? $ dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -d ' ' -f3 | xargs echo | less |
| 02:50.41 | enouf | Phoul: it works here |
| 02:51.04 | Phoul | yeah it works |
| 02:51.09 | enouf | Phoul: do you have other instances of apt / aptitude / synaptic running? |
| 02:51.15 | Phoul | uhhh |
| 02:51.16 | Phoul | nope |
| 02:51.17 | enouf | ps aux |
| 02:52.14 | Phoul | hrm |
| 02:52.17 | Phoul | nope |
| 02:52.17 | enouf | well, try a for loop then ; for i in $(dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -d ' ' -f3) ; do aptitude purge $i ; done |
| 02:53.29 | Corwin | There's no activity in the exim room.. Does anyone know much about virtual domains in exim? |
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| 02:55.59 | keith4__ | if I'm using firehol, do I have to manually enable routing in the kernel, or does firehol handle that? |
| 02:56.09 | keith4__ | (to do a NAT setup) |
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| 02:58.05 | Wyzard | keith4__: firehol does it for you |
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| 02:58.55 | keith4__ | yay. thanks wyzard |
| 02:59.06 | rgr | anyone know where on debian I can reassign C-F12. At the moment it insists on bringing up desktop search. Unbelievably google has not helped much. Gnome. |
| 02:59.32 | keith4__ | wyzard: once while I was pimping firehol in here, someone asked me if I was really you |
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| 03:00.00 | Wyzard | lol |
| 03:00.42 | Wyzard | Well, I do tend to recommend it when people ask about writing iptables rules |
| 03:00.47 | Wyzard | didn't know I stand out that much though |
| 03:00.49 | keith4__ | yep |
| 03:01.03 | keith4__ | i love it |
| 03:01.17 | pickcoder | LemensTS: in other words, it's the same as downloading it and compiling it except the dependencies will be handled by dpkg and you get any Debian patches with it |
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| 03:01.29 | keith4__ | i'm building a new router, on an old carrier-grade sun netra |
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| 03:02.21 | pickcoder | rgr: that is not a "debian" assignment.. it's a window manager function |
| 03:02.27 | Wyzard | keith4__: That sounds like it may be overkill... mine's a Xen instance with 32MB RAM running on a VIA C7 mini-ITX motherboard |
| 03:02.51 | keith4__ | wyzard: well, it's also going to do lots of other stuff |
| 03:02.58 | keith4__ | and it only draws about 40 watts, too |
| 03:02.59 | Wyzard | oh, ok |
| 03:03.02 | Corwin | Wyzard: what firewall are you running? |
| 03:03.14 | Wyzard | like the other Xen instances on my aforementioned mini-ITX box :-) |
| 03:03.16 | Wyzard | Corwin: FireHOL |
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| 03:03.41 | pickcoder | Wyzard: used shorewall? if so, comparison? |
| 03:03.58 | Corwin | Wyzard: Never heard of FireHOL, I'll check it out. I've been looking at pfsense as it supposrt multiple WAN |
| 03:04.00 | Wyzard | pickcoder: I've used Shorewall in the past, though not in the past 6 years or so |
| 03:04.12 | Wyzard | pickcoder: I prefer FireHOL because its configuration is more readable and succinct |
| 03:04.47 | keith4__ | i've used monowall for a long time, which pfsense if built on. it's rock-solid, but not very flexible |
| 03:05.13 | Wyzard | pickcoder: To allow, say, incoming FTP connections, you write "server ftp accept" under the appropriate interface... no fiddling with tables, and it automatically takes care of the details like loading the FTP connection-tracking module |
| 03:05.47 | keith4__ | currently running monowall on a P2 400, with 64M ram, on 8M of CF. no moving parts at all |
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| 03:09.22 | Corwin | FireHOL looks nice, too bad it doesn't support multi-WAN |
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| 03:09.59 | rgr | Wyzard: being a noob to most of that could you point me somewhere which would explain why I would use something like firehol rather than the firestarter interface which is, well, pretty trivial for anyone to configure. |
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| 03:10.50 | Corwin | rgr: Since you like firestarter you shoudl use it |
| 03:11.11 | rgr | Corwin: theres nothing wrong with compare and contrast. |
| 03:11.38 | Wyzard | rgr: http://firehol.sourceforge.net/faq.html?#why |
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| 03:11.57 | rgr | Wyzard: heh. or a reminder to use google before asking :-) |
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| 03:16.08 | assem | how can i have separate background images for each workspace? |
| 03:16.25 | jello | kde? gnome? xfce? |
| 03:16.33 | assem | sry, gnome/metacity |
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| 03:16.41 | jello | no idea :) |
| 03:16.46 | jello | uses kde |
| 03:16.56 | Corwin | I want to know how to have seperate backgrounds, for kde using compiz |
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| 03:18.09 | jello | Corwin: K > Settings > A & T > Background |
| 03:18.42 | Corwin | jello: doesn't work that way with the compiz cylinder... I wish it was that easy :( |
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| 03:19.24 | jello | sorry, don't use compiz |
| 03:19.32 | jello | don't even know how to install it |
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| 03:20.03 | Corwin | I don't think it's possible to have different backgrounds for each desktop wihe kde/compiz [yet] |
| 03:20.18 | jello | !compiz |
| 03:20.18 | dpkg | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on <Xgl> and <AIGLX>. It is in <etch> and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. Read http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz for configuration and usage details. Current state of Compiz (et al) in unstable can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/Compiz http://www.compiz.org/, #compiz @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 03:20.18 | Wyzard | Isn't there a compiz-config program or something like that? |
| 03:20.18 | Corwin | jello: apt-get install compiz |
| 03:20.30 | newsense | ccsm |
| 03:20.50 | Corwin | Wyzard: yes ccsm, but there is no kde multiple desktop plugin |
| 03:20.56 | jello | Corwin: and then what? |
| 03:21.06 | jello | do i have to configure something? |
| 03:21.16 | jello | or just restart my kde session? |
| 03:21.41 | _ZeuZ_ | where do I get rid of gnome's network manager applet? I'm using WICD so it-s useless for me now... |
| 03:21.42 | Corwin | jello: then apt-get install fusion-icon and run it so you can switch, then run ccsm |
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| 03:22.21 | Corwin | jello: make sure to install all the compiz-plugin packages too |
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| 03:23.43 | Nyle | jello, you are a good man |
| 03:23.45 | Nyle | kde ftw |
| 03:23.50 | n3kl | ftw! |
| 03:23.53 | Nyle | yes |
| 03:24.12 | Nyle | I like the fact that poeple in ubuntu channels are worthless |
| 03:24.19 | Nyle | it gives #debian support a good solid name |
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| 03:24.25 | Nyle | we know our shit! goddamit! |
| 03:24.28 | n3kl | haha! |
| 03:24.30 | jello | Corwin: what's ccsm? |
| 03:24.38 | n3kl | I tend to agree with that |
| 03:24.48 | Nyle | jello, ccsm == compiz confusion settings manager |
| 03:24.49 | Nyle | ;) |
| 03:24.49 | n3kl | jello: its the window manager control panel I think |
| 03:24.54 | Nyle | !ccsm |
| 03:24.57 | _ZeuZ_ | does x-forwarding support video transmissions? |
| 03:25.05 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, yes |
| 03:25.11 | n3kl | dpkg, you fail |
| 03:25.11 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 03:25.25 | Nyle | _ZeuZ_, on local lan with GB ETH yes, very fast no problem, however, on slower networks its almost impossible |
| 03:25.32 | Anon0764 | Can anyone help with a grub problem |
| 03:25.40 | Nyle | Anon0764, not if you don't ask. |
| 03:25.45 | Nyle | obviously... |
| 03:25.49 | jello | possibly if you tell us what the problem is... |
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| 03:26.12 | Nyle | !ntfs-3g |
| 03:26.12 | dpkg | methinks ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 03:26.12 | Anon0764 | I need to remove the text at the bottom of the boot loader. ouside the kernel box. |
| 03:26.55 | assem | hm, for anyone curious about different wallpapers for each workspace check out 'Wallpapoz' |
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| 03:26.59 | jello | Nyle: just /msg dpkg next time, no need to clutter the channel |
| 03:27.13 | rasta-man | anyone want to help a noob? |
| 03:27.15 | jello | Anon0764: eh? what text? |
| 03:27.26 | jello | rasta-man: only if you actually ask your question... |
| 03:27.40 | Anon0764 | the "e" for edit and the "c" for console text |
| 03:28.01 | rasta-man | alrighty... 'aptitude update' gives me this: |
| 03:28.12 | rasta-man | E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 03:28.12 | rasta-man | E: Error occurred while processing python-dns (NewVersion2) |
| 03:28.12 | rasta-man | E: Problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/debian.cites.uiuc.edu_pub_debian_dists_stable_main_binary-i386_Packages |
| 03:28.12 | rasta-man | E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 03:28.12 | rasta-man | E: Couldn't rebuild package cache |
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| 03:28.27 | rasta-man | oops |
| 03:28.29 | rasta-man | sorry |
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| 03:28.44 | pickcoder | !pastebin |
| 03:28.44 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 03:28.46 | Anon0764 | I just got run over by rasta man |
| 03:28.56 | pickcoder | strike #1... heh |
| 03:29.07 | rasta-man | lol |
| 03:29.08 | pickcoder | rasta-man: read /topic too |
| 03:29.13 | voxter | If i apt-get linux-source-2.6.## and run make menuconfig, is it using all the same defaults that a debian kernel would already have, or do i have to oldconfig from another box? |
| 03:29.19 | pickcoder | sometimes stuff like that could be there if it's a FAQ |
| 03:29.21 | rasta-man | #flood |
| 03:29.26 | rasta-man | oh |
| 03:29.27 | rasta-man | lol |
| 03:29.44 | jello | voxter: you need oldconfig |
| 03:29.54 | rasta-man | alright, I just put my output in #flood |
| 03:29.59 | rasta-man | anyone want to take a look? |
| 03:30.02 | jello | or just use a pastebin |
| 03:30.07 | jello | !mmap |
| 03:30.07 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 03:30.25 | voxter | jello: can you pass a filename to oldconfig, instead of it reading /boot/config.<currentver> ? |
| 03:30.35 | jello | hrm, not sure |
| 03:30.44 | jello | haven't hand-rolled one in a while |
| 03:30.54 | rasta-man | lol |
| 03:31.02 | rasta-man | what are you guys talking about? |
| 03:31.13 | jello | compiling your own (custom) linux kernel |
| 03:31.24 | rasta-man | hand-rolled?? |
| 03:31.34 | voxter | I just need to modify a kernel to change an option normally set to no, to yes, to fix a real time clock issue on a dell |
| 03:31.43 | jello | rasta-man: yes, doing it by hand instead of using a pre-packaged one |
| 03:31.47 | voxter | im trying to essentially just rebuild a debian kernel. its been so long though, heh |
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| 03:32.14 | Wyzard | voxter: Take the /boot/config-* file from the corresponding prepackaged kernel |
| 03:32.40 | voxter | Wyzard: yeah, I have, im just curious how to tell make oldconfig to point at the specific file i have copied over |
| 03:32.43 | rasta-man | gotcha... out of context it sure did sound like you were doing the pot! |
| 03:32.53 | rasta-man | anyways, I don't have /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 03:32.56 | keith4__ | wyzard: i'm having a bit of trouble. am I missing something? when I try to start firehol, it throws a lot of errors:http://pastebin.com/m7b510b67 |
| 03:33.10 | Wyzard | voxter: Copy it to .config (IIRC) in the root of the kernel source tree |
| 03:33.14 | _ZeuZ_ | how do I get rid of Gnome's networkmanager applet? |
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| 03:33.18 | jello | Corwin: so, i've installed and am running compiz; don't see much of a difference |
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| 03:33.33 | n3kl | So, is etchnhalf released? |
| 03:33.44 | jello | rasta-man: so, make one |
| 03:33.55 | voxter | Wyzard: that was it. god its been a long time since ive done that. |
| 03:33.56 | Wyzard | keith4__: What happens if you try running one of those commands manually? |
| 03:33.56 | rasta-man | sorry, I didn't read the whole thing |
| 03:33.56 | voxter | Thanks |
| 03:34.03 | jello | n3kl: yes |
| 03:34.19 | jello | n3kl: read the release notes on how to invoke it (it's not the default) |
| 03:34.20 | Corwin | jello: enable the cyliner plugin, then hold atrl-alt and left click on the desktop and drag |
| 03:34.41 | keith4__ | wyzard: "iptables: Invalid argument" |
| 03:34.47 | Corwin | jello: you need glx enabled too... What video card do you have? |
| 03:34.48 | jello | Corwin: freeky |
| 03:35.03 | Corwin | jello: I take that as a "it works"! |
| 03:35.19 | jello | Corwin: for some definition of works... |
| 03:35.23 | Wyzard | keith4__: Custom kernel? |
| 03:35.28 | jello | Corwin: where the heck is it taking me? |
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| 03:35.42 | keith4__ | wyzard: nope |
| 03:35.43 | jello | my other desktops? |
| 03:35.46 | Corwin | I think the compiz cylinder is actually past just eye candy and into a [small] productivity enhancer |
| 03:35.56 | keith4__ | wyzard: 2.6.18-6-sparc64 |
| 03:36.08 | Corwin | jello: yes, but those desktops are configured in ccsm, NOT kde |
| 03:36.14 | Wyzard | keith4__: dunno then... sounds like it doesn't support one of the options you're trying to use, but I don't see why that'd be the case |
| 03:36.41 | Wyzard | keith4__: I'd start with something simple like "iptables -t filter -A pr_world_fragments -j ACCEPT" and see if that succeeds, then build up to the full command |
| 03:36.41 | jello | Corwin: ah, that's why i can't transfer my windows to those other desktops... |
| 03:37.03 | Corwin | keith4__: actually they are somewhat related now.. You can drag to and from those other desktops |
| 03:37.15 | Corwin | opps, I mean jello: |
| 03:37.38 | keith4__ | wyzard: yah, that works fine |
| 03:37.39 | Wyzard | keith4__: Actually, I guess pr_world_fragments isn't a standard chain in the filter table... it's probably one that was created by earlier commands in the firehol script |
| 03:37.40 | jello | Corwin: drag-n-drop how? |
| 03:38.03 | Corwin | jello: grab a title bar and try to move it off screen |
| 03:38.07 | Wyzard | keith4__: so it's either the "-m limit" or the use of ulog |
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| 03:38.11 | jello | ah, i see |
| 03:38.12 | rcbarnes | I am trying to install some software from experimental (KDE4), and I'm trying to make a good apt/preferences file. If I add unstable repos to my sources.list, can I use a Pin-Priority of 101 for unstable and experimental packages to ensure that nothing from experimental/unstable is installed except to satisfy dependencies? Or does that prevent even dependency resolution using those packages? |
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| 03:39.33 | Corwin | wallpapoz does not change my compiz cylinder desktops :( |
| 03:39.34 | jello | rcbarnes: you're using mainly unstable and just pulling in kde4 from experimental? |
| 03:39.49 | keith4__ | wyzard: seems to be -m limit |
| 03:39.53 | rasta-man | hey jello, how much should I increase that number by? |
| 03:40.04 | rasta-man | adding apt.conf with that line in it didn't help |
| 03:40.05 | rcbarnes | jello: I'm using mainly testing. |
| 03:40.14 | jello | rasta-man: try cutting down on your sources.list |
| 03:40.17 | rcbarnes | jello: but the rest was correct. |
| 03:40.19 | jello | rasta-man: that works better |
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| 03:41.00 | Wyzard | keith4__: On my i686 router, that's provided by the xt_limit kernel module (which firehol should be loading automatically, if it's available) |
| 03:41.05 | jello | rcbarnes: first set APT::Default-Release "testing" in /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 03:41.24 | rasta-man | oh geez... I don't know what I can remove from sources.list |
| 03:41.57 | rasta-man | jello, I guess all I need is stable main? |
| 03:42.12 | jello | rasta-man: yeah |
| 03:42.12 | keith4__ | wyzard: from 'lsmod' : x_tables 18056 9 ipt_LOG,ipt_MASQUERADE,iptable_nat,ipt_REJECT,xt_tcpudp,ipt_ULOG,xt_limit,xt_state,ip_tables |
| 03:42.14 | keith4__ | it's in there |
| 03:42.44 | Wyzard | keith4: no idea why it isn't working, then |
| 03:43.05 | Wyzard | keith4: "iptables -L" on my router shows plenty of rules using limit |
| 03:43.19 | keith4__ | weird |
| 03:43.24 | keith4__ | wonder if this is a sparc problem |
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| 03:43.48 | jello | rasta-man: after that hand install using `apt-get -t experimental install <kde packages>` |
| 03:44.01 | jello | rasta-man: no pinning necessary |
| 03:44.16 | Wyzard | keith4__: sparc32 or sparc64? |
| 03:44.16 | jello | sorry, meant rcbarnes |
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| 03:44.27 | keith4__ | sparc64 |
| 03:44.46 | jello | rasta-man: don't forget security |
| 03:44.50 | Wyzard | keith4__: OK, so it's at least not the unsupported one that nobody maintains anymore :-) |
| 03:45.11 | rcbarnes | jello: 'k 'APT::Default-Release "testing"' is now the only line in a (new) /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 03:45.37 | jello | rcbarnes: now install "by hand" the packages you want from experimental, using -t |
| 03:45.51 | jello | rcbarnes: it will pull in deps from expermental as necessary |
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| 03:46.14 | jello | rcbarnes: assuming you've already added experimental to sources.list and run apt-get update |
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| 03:46.41 | rcbarnes | jello: Cool. Thanks. |
| 03:47.06 | jello | np |
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| 03:47.38 | rcbarnes | jello: (I assume you mean by that that the answer to my original question is that those releases are used only for dep-resolution and upgrades if they're already in exper. or unstable.) |
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| 03:48.28 | jello | you don't need pinning for this |
| 03:48.28 | keith4__ | wyzard: i'm getting dozens of these in syslog: "ip_tables: limit match: invalid size 40 != 32" |
| 03:48.49 | Wyzard | keith4__: Are those in dmesg, or something else writing to syslog? |
| 03:49.06 | rasta-man | thanks jello, apt-get update works now!! :) |
| 03:49.07 | rasta-man | lol |
| 03:49.23 | keith4__ | wyzard: in dmesg |
| 03:49.29 | keith4__ | sounds just like this: http://www.mail-archive.com/debian-bugs-closed@lists.debian.org/msg189433.html |
| 03:49.34 | wolfjb | I've installed slapd and am trying to add my email contacts, but ldapadd won't do it, I'm guessing because I don't have a way of saying I'm trying to run as the 'admin' user. how can I get around this? (appropriate documentation would be helpful too) - google suggested I try ldapadd -x ... but I still keep getting queried for a password only, not the user that goes with that password, and I don't have an admin user on this particular server (sho |
| 03:49.43 | rcbarnes | jello: Ah. Thanks again for the tips. |
| 03:49.45 | jello | rasta-man: feel free to express your opinion in bug #474947 |
| 03:49.46 | rcbarnes | :-D |
| 03:50.19 | keith4__ | wyzard: perhaps I should go to lenny |
| 03:50.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | What's a good x application that shows CPU usage? |
| 03:50.21 | Wyzard | keith4__: sounds like it arises only if you're running 32-bit Debian but with a 64-bit kernel? |
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| 03:50.37 | Wyzard | keith4__: not lenny -- see the EtchAndAHalf link near the end of that page |
| 03:50.47 | keith4__ | yah, i'm reading it now |
| 03:50.57 | Wyzard | keith4__: You can get 2.6.24 in etch now |
| 03:51.03 | keith4__ | reeeeeeally |
| 03:51.18 | Wyzard | keith4__: though I'd just go with full 64-bit Debian (it's not like you need Flash on your router) |
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| 03:51.53 | s3a | Blast_Hardcheese: isnt the included system monitor enuf? |
| 03:52.08 | jello | would recommend lenny for any new installs at this point |
| 03:52.15 | pickcoder | ~2.6.25 |
| 03:52.16 | apt | 2.6 |
| 03:52.17 | keith4__ | wyzard: how would I do that? |
| 03:52.40 | keith4__ | wyzard: how do I figure out if i'm running 32bit or 64bit? |
| 03:52.42 | rasta-man | how do I upgrade openssl? |
| 03:52.46 | rasta-man | with apt-get |
| 03:52.47 | Blast_Hardcheese | s3a: Which one? |
| 03:52.55 | pickcoder | means that 2.6.25 is in bpo |
| 03:53.10 | s3a | Blast_Hardcheese: r u using gnome? |
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| 03:53.38 | jello | rasta-man: make sure you have "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib non-free" in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 03:53.52 | Wyzard | keith4: Run "file" on something like /bin/ls and see what type of executable it says it is... I don't know much about SPARC, but on x86, it says whether it's 32-bit or 64-bit |
| 03:53.52 | Blast_Hardcheese | s3a: nope |
| 03:53.54 | jello | rasta-man: then run `apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade` |
| 03:54.22 | s3a | do u need to edit ur /etc/apt/sources.list to go from a stable release to another (i want to upgrade to lenny but have been having trouble doing so so far) |
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| 03:54.33 | Wyzard | keith4__: If you're running a 32-bit userspace, you'll need to reinstall to get a 64-bit userspace |
| 03:54.34 | s3a | Blast_Hardcheese: then wat gui r u on? |
| 03:54.42 | jello | keith4__: uname -m |
| 03:54.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | s3a: Flux |
| 03:55.05 | keith4__ | wyzard: bah |
| 03:55.09 | jello | nevermind, that's just the kernel |
| 03:55.11 | s3a | Blast_Hardcheese: o ive never used that but arent monitors cross compatible per gui thing? |
| 03:55.20 | keith4__ | i'll need to find a netboot image for 64bit sparc then |
| 03:55.20 | rasta-man | jello: hmmm... when I do 'aptitude search openssl' it shows openssl like 'i A openssl' |
| 03:55.21 | s3a | Blast_Hardcheese: so i guess download gnome-system-monitor? |
| 03:55.26 | rasta-man | jello: does that mean it's even installed? |
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| 03:55.40 | Wyzard | keith4__: Did you determine that you're running 32 now? |
| 03:55.41 | s3a | Blast_Hardcheese: with apt-get or aptitude |
| 03:55.52 | s3a | Blast_Hardcheese: it should be possible |
| 03:55.57 | jello | rasta-man: yes |
| 03:55.57 | keith4__ | wyzard: yes |
| 03:55.59 | pickcoder | bedtime |
| 03:56.17 | rasta-man | jello: how can I see what version is installed? |
| 03:56.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | That would defeat the purpose of running a low overhead system |
| 03:56.33 | jello | rasta-man: dpkg -l openssl |
| 03:56.41 | Wyzard | keith4__: Assuming that you're running the "sparc32" port of Debian, it'd probably be a good idea to switch to the 64-bit one anyway |
| 03:56.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | I've got a 4 gig drive on a 700mhz system |
| 03:56.54 | rasta-man | jello: won't 'apt-get dist-upgrade' upgrade everything? |
| 03:57.00 | rasta-man | I really don't think I can afford that |
| 03:57.14 | jello | rasta-man: if all you have is stable and security, then you want to upgrade everything... |
| 03:57.27 | jello | rasta-man: in sources.list |
| 03:57.31 | Wyzard | keith4__: I don't know the current state of Debian's sparc32 port at this moment, but I remember hearing awhile back about how it was in danger of being discontinued because there weren't enough developers to adequately maintain it |
| 03:57.32 | rasta-man | I've tried to upgrade everything in the past |
| 03:57.39 | rasta-man | and in the past my system didn't boot |
| 03:57.41 | rasta-man | lol |
| 03:57.50 | rasta-man | I'm scared |
| 03:57.51 | jello | rasta-man: you can always say no, if it tries to do too much |
| 03:58.06 | keith4__ | wyzard: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-sparc/current/images/sparc64/netboot/2.6/ ? |
| 03:58.07 | jello | rasta-man: if you just care about openssl, just run apt-get install openssl |
| 03:58.17 | Wyzard | keith4__: http://wiki.debian.org/Sparc32 btw |
| 03:58.31 | jello | rasta-man: it will either tell you that the latest version is already installed, or just upgrade it for you |
| 03:58.37 | Wyzard | keith4__: Based on the URL, that seems right to me |
| 03:58.43 | jello | rasta-man: make sure you do apt-get update first |
| 03:59.04 | keith4__ | wyzard: i blame the kriebz. this is the boot.img that he downloaded to the tftp server |
| 03:59.39 | Wyzard | keith4__: You might want to point him to that wiki page too, then -- he might not be aware |
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| 04:00.17 | rasta-man | can someone verify that the latest version of openssl is 0.9.8e-5? |
| 04:00.23 | rasta-man | it says that I have the latest version |
| 04:00.33 | wols | !tell rasta-man about search |
| 04:00.46 | keith4__ | wyzard: okay thanks |
| 04:01.00 | keith4__ | i'll re-install tomorrow. it's a real PITA with these boxes, since they have no video |
| 04:01.15 | jello | rasta-man: 0.9.8c-4etch3 |
| 04:01.17 | Wyzard | keith4__: What do you use, a serial console? |
| 04:01.24 | rasta-man | thanks jello |
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| 04:01.38 | lymeca | Ookay, so, my php5 in Etch is totally broken and total package reinstalls haven't fixed anything. The config files are default and everything. Any PHP script fails to execute in Apache and segfaults appear in error.log every time they are executed. |
| 04:01.42 | joshua__ | hi |
| 04:01.42 | keith4__ | wyzard: yep |
| 04:01.46 | jello | rasta-man: that's for etch (stable) |
| 04:01.54 | Wyzard | keith4__: and even serial ports are a dying breed |
| 04:02.08 | jello | lymeca: did it ever work? |
| 04:02.16 | keith4__ | wyzard: i have *plenty* of crusty hardware with serial ports |
| 04:02.20 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 04:02.22 | keith4__ | not to worry |
| 04:02.31 | rasta-man | jello: so, what I have is newer than yours? |
| 04:02.50 | jello | rasta-man: what do you have? |
| 04:02.53 | Wyzard | keith4__: The only things I have with serial ports are my old desktop PC (the one I used at school) and my router... neither of my two newer desktops has one, nor my laptop |
| 04:02.59 | rasta-man | 0.9.8e-5 |
| 04:03.10 | Wyzard | keith4__: but I have a USB-to-serial adapter, mainly for my HP48 |
| 04:03.28 | keith4__ | the only thing i've purchased in the last 5 years has been a new myth-frontend, and that board doesn't have a serial port, but it has a serial header |
| 04:03.28 | Wyzard | keith4__: and, conveniently, it works very nicely with Linux and udev: plug it in and /dev/ttyUSB0 magically appears |
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| 04:03.43 | jello | rasta-man: don't know where you got that version... |
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| 04:04.40 | rasta-man | jello: I pasted the output of dpkg -l openssl in #flood |
| 04:04.51 | keith4__ | ... |
| 04:04.59 | lymeca | jello: Yes |
| 04:04.59 | wd | hello all.... i see 2.6 kernel available. i'm using sarge..very very old box.. i know.. anyway if i apt-get it do i need to configure anything else? |
| 04:05.03 | jello | rasta-man: wait until i go there... |
| 04:05.05 | lymeca | It broke last night |
| 04:05.17 | Nyle | write speed to ntfs is 3mb/s |
| 04:05.22 | Nyle | holy fucking shit its slow! |
| 04:06.46 | keith4__ | wyzard: thanks, and g'night |
| 04:07.38 | jello | rasta-man: ok |
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| 04:09.37 | Nyle | how can i go about trying to speed up write to ntfs |
| 04:09.45 | Nyle | read is ok, 40mb/s, but wite is like 2-4 |
| 04:09.49 | Nyle | write* |
| 04:09.59 | jello | Nyle: hdparm? |
| 04:10.48 | Nyle | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:10.51 | Nyle | ? |
| 04:10.56 | Nyle | I dunno what that means |
| 04:12.06 | jello | old hard disk? |
| 04:12.19 | jello | wd: did sarge ship with 2.6? i don't remember |
| 04:12.34 | Nyle | jello, no |
| 04:12.36 | acidslep | hey |
| 04:12.43 | Nyle | 500gb sata2 WD |
| 04:12.48 | acidslep | who knows about the aircrack suite? |
| 04:12.58 | acidslep | anyone? |
| 04:13.01 | n3kl | Nyle: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/support.html has a performance section at the bttom |
| 04:13.02 | Nyle | acidslep, what do you want |
| 04:13.11 | acidslep | aireplay-ng --test eth2 |
| 04:13.16 | n3kl | acidslep: its aircrack-ng now isnt it? |
| 04:13.19 | acidslep | its like it does not recognise the questions |
| 04:13.20 | acidslep | yes |
| 04:13.20 | Nyle | n3kl, thanks |
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| 04:13.28 | acidslep | fresh install of aircrack-ng |
| 04:13.29 | n3kl | Nyle: I gave up |
| 04:13.43 | n3kl | Nyle: ntfs-3g was too cpu intensive for me to tollerate |
| 04:13.47 | acidslep | its like it does not recognise the command, it just prints the help again |
| 04:13.51 | acidslep | no matter what |
| 04:13.58 | acidslep | i can do other attacks but i wanna test... |
| 04:14.11 | acidslep | -9 does not work either |
| 04:14.16 | owen1 | can someone explain the recent announcment about freezing lenny? |
| 04:14.25 | Nyle | # DMA is turned off. Check the BIOS and use hdpram, sdparm, blktool on Linux. |
| 04:14.29 | Nyle | !dma |
| 04:14.30 | dpkg | hmm... dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_memory_access |
| 04:14.36 | Nyle | how do I enable it |
| 04:14.40 | Nyle | with -d1 or something |
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| 04:14.57 | Nyle | or -X |
| 04:15.06 | Nyle | manpage isn't making too much sense to me |
| 04:15.22 | wd | jello, no 2.4 |
| 04:15.29 | wd | Nyle, no |
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| 04:15.53 | wd | jello, i've been reading all day.. it's time to do the do. |
| 04:15.54 | wd | lol |
| 04:15.55 | Nyle | well |
| 04:15.59 | Nyle | any tips would be nice |
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| 04:16.31 | jello | owen1: what do you want to know? |
| 04:16.47 | owen1 | jello: what does feezing lenny means+ |
| 04:16.58 | wd | jello, aptitude and apt-cache shows 2.6 kernels but what i've been reading tell me to dl kernle and compile.. i want to use debian kernels. |
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| 04:17.22 | jello | owen1: it means that now new packages will be accepted and that only fixes to RC bugs will be accepted for packages currently part of lenny |
| 04:18.34 | wd | jello, see..kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on 386. |
| 04:18.34 | wd | kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 - Linux kernel image for version 2.6.8 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4. |
| 04:18.43 | acidslep | guys |
| 04:18.57 | acidslep | anyone got exp with aircrack? |
| 04:19.04 | Nyle | dude |
| 04:19.06 | Nyle | what do you want! |
| 04:19.13 | Nyle | there is probably #aircrack |
| 04:19.17 | Nyle | or #aircrack-ng |
| 04:19.20 | wd | jello, so do i just apt-get and reboot? no config, just update grub menu? |
| 04:19.24 | jello | wd: yes, that's part of security on sarge |
| 04:19.38 | n3kl | acidslep: or #wishiwereahacker |
| 04:19.43 | acidslep | hehe |
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| 04:19.48 | jello | wd: it should automatically add itself to grub's menu during the post-install |
| 04:19.52 | acidslep | yeah noone is on aircrack/-ng |
| 04:19.55 | owen1 | jello: i am using etch. lenny is the testing version, right? |
| 04:20.00 | jello | owen1: correct |
| 04:20.26 | Corwin | acidslep: the aircrack-ng.org site has some of the best documentation I've every run across |
| 04:20.26 | wd | jello, o get out... really.. you mean i've been reading all these online articles.. all damn day and i had to do was apt-get it?! lol |
| 04:20.35 | owen1 | jello: how does freezing lenny effect etch users? |
| 04:21.03 | jello | owen1: security support for etch ceases 6 months (or so) after lenny releases... |
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| 04:21.17 | acidslep | sorry nyle i dont mean to get on nerves :( |
| 04:21.29 | Corwin | owen1: etch people are extra happy their system is not freezing |
| 04:21.30 | jello | owen1: so it only affects you insofar as it means that we're closer to starting that clock... |
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| 04:22.47 | owen1 | jello: Corwin: sorry guys, i am lost. if i am using atch, will my system be updated to lenny? do i need to actively do something? |
| 04:23.02 | jello | owen1: not yet |
| 04:23.17 | Corwin | owen1: I was making a bad joke... Didn't mean to confuse you :( |
| 04:23.31 | owen1 | jello: can i upgrade to testing now? should i? |
| 04:23.38 | jello | owen1: when lenny releases, you may be upgraded if your /etc/apt/sources.list references "stable", not etch directly and you do an apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 04:23.44 | owen1 | Corwin: i got your joke.. |
| 04:24.00 | Corwin | owen1: Do like I do and run testing and then the silly toy story name games are of no concern to you ever |
| 04:24.02 | jello | owen1: you definitely can, i can't tell you if you should without more context |
| 04:24.47 | owen1 | jello: ok. i think i want to move to testing. (i have heared it has recent packages) |
| 04:25.10 | owen1 | jello: what should i do? |
| 04:25.10 | jello | it has more recent packages, true |
| 04:25.23 | jello | owen1: but what you see now is what you'll get, nothing newer |
| 04:25.38 | Corwin | testing rocks, and it's quite stable. The few problems you'll run into are easily fixable |
| 04:25.42 | owen1 | jello: what do u mean 'see now'? |
| 04:25.46 | jello | owen1: unless you stay with "testing" permanently -- not a good idea for a production machine |
| 04:25.58 | jello | owen1: whatever versions are part of lenny now |
| 04:26.00 | owen1 | jello: it's my desktop |
| 04:26.09 | n3kl | man my wireless sucks right now and I don't know why |
| 04:26.16 | Corwin | I have a production machine thats run unstable happily now for 5 years |
| 04:26.17 | jello | owen1: then upgrade to lenny now ;) |
| 04:26.37 | owen1 | jello: how and what are the risks? |
| 04:26.47 | Corwin | n3kl: neighbor using a microwave/tv/fan? |
| 04:27.02 | n3kl | not sure, it just recenly started happening |
| 04:27.03 | jello | my laptop runs unstable... |
| 04:27.25 | jello | owen1: you should read http://debian.org/release/testing |
| 04:27.37 | owen1 | jello: will do. thanks |
| 04:27.39 | jello | er, http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ |
| 04:27.56 | owen1 | jello: will read both (-: |
| 04:29.14 | UD_ | sit your laptop on a flatter surface :) |
| 04:30.34 | jello | heh |
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| 04:31.52 | owen1 | jello: the link u gave me didn't say anything about upgrading. it has a link to installing it, which is not my case. |
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| 04:33.16 | enouf | Wow - who was that guy? a few days ago? asking about ZFS on linux? his name started with a 'd' IIRC .. gah |
| 04:33.45 | jello | owen1: read http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives |
| 04:33.48 | enouf | anyways - check this out http://www.wizy.org/wiki/ZFS_on_FUSE |
| 04:34.02 | jello | owen1: especially section 6.5 |
| 04:34.06 | owen1 | jello: thanks |
| 04:34.39 | jello | np |
| 04:38.01 | rasta-man | jello: first I generate the key with `openssl genrsa -out server.key 1024` |
| 04:38.25 | rasta-man | jello: then for the csr I do `openssl req -new -key server.key -out server.csr` |
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| 04:38.56 | rasta-man | then I paste server.csr into: https://secure.comodo.net/utilities/decodeCSR.html |
| 04:39.16 | rasta-man | and it gives me "The CSR uses a key that is believed to have been compromised!" |
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| 04:40.34 | wd | jello, oh crap.. this 2.6 is sweeeet. my system is responding alot better now to convert laptops... lol |
| 04:40.44 | Corwin | enouf: ZFS on fuse is really more of a unique hack than anything. It's never worked for me. That guy a few days ago was trying to say that one of the next kernel releases would have ZFS in it, however there has been no licensing change that would legally permit this. |
| 04:40.47 | jello | wd: heh |
| 04:41.18 | enouf | Corwin: understood (about the licensing thing) sure .. |
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| 04:41.37 | wd | jello, however i tried to mount to my samba box and failure.. i did mount to check and nada do i have to i remember on my gentoo box compiling smb in kernel.. same here? |
| 04:41.40 | Corwin | enouf: so in the mean time I run Nexenta |
| 04:41.52 | enouf | hrm .. |
| 04:42.08 | needhelp | anybody knows how to install hp storage works library and tape tools on debian? from hp site there are only for solaris and redhat |
| 04:42.19 | wd | hey enouf howdy. :) |
| 04:42.24 | jello | wd: no, it should be part of it |
| 04:42.46 | wd | jello, strange then.. darnit. |
| 04:42.50 | enouf | wd: hi ho! |
| 04:42.53 | Corwin | needhelp: grab the redhat rpm and use alien on it |
| 04:43.26 | owen1 | jello: i read about etch and lenny. so lenny is in freezing state, meaning it's not going to get more packages and will be tested carefully before using it as the future 'stable'? |
| 04:43.30 | wd | jello, maybe i took off smbfs somehow.. i saw alot of stuff go when i gook off kde. |
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| 04:44.18 | jello | rasta-man: use the openssl-vulnkey program in the openssl-blacklist package |
| 04:44.28 | jello | rasta-man: get it here http://packages.debian.org/lenny/main/openssl-blacklist/download |
| 04:44.39 | wd | jello, nope i have it.. damn it. |
| 04:44.41 | jello | owen1: correct |
| 04:44.45 | wd | jello, ii smbfs 3.0.14a-3sarge mount and umount commands for the smbfs |
| 04:44.49 | needhelp | Corwin: ok trying a "alien -i xxx.rpm" now |
| 04:44.56 | enouf | Corwin: IIRC, the guy wanted to try and use some of ZFS's "features" on linux, mainly "snapshotting" and restoring - oh and getting an audit of every file write during a pkg installation say |
| 04:45.55 | jello | wd: try listing the shares with `smbclient -L` first |
| 04:45.55 | rasta-man | jello: weird.. that link doesn't work for me |
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| 04:46.02 | owen1 | jello: i still don't understand what happened to me as etch user and what should i do if i want to upgrade my system to lenny now |
| 04:46.09 | klivian | Would anyone be able to help me with grub2 + lvm? In short, 'grub-install --modules"lvm" /dev/mapper/volume-group_volume-name' fails with erros from grub-probe and grub-setup. |
| 04:46.34 | jello | rasta-man: try http://packages.debian.org/lenny/main/openssl-blacklist/all/download |
| 04:46.57 | wd | jello, ok... but i mounted in root and it workd..so i tried with user and it works now.. hmmm . thanks tho |
| 04:47.20 | jello | !tell owen1 about etch->lenny |
| 04:47.52 | jello | klivian: istr reading that grub2 and lvm don't play well together |
| 04:48.30 | klivian | Hmm, that's frustrating. |
| 04:49.01 | wd | jello, ok. i have sound using debian without compiling kernel for alsa.. even with 2.4 now 2.6 how is this? what app does sarge use oss? default? |
| 04:49.04 | WormFood | what the hell do I have to do to make debian not update config files that I modified, or at least notify/ask me before replacing my changed?...same goes for program files (scripts) |
| 04:49.06 | rasta-man | jello: lol... "openssl-blacklist depends on openssl (>= 0.9.8g-9);" |
| 04:49.20 | rasta-man | jello: can you link me to that version? |
| 04:49.32 | jello | rasta-man: no, you don't want to do that now... |
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| 04:49.49 | jello | rasta-man: you'll have to upgrade to lenny for that, and that's probably not a good idea |
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| 04:49.58 | rasta-man | oh great! |
| 04:50.07 | rasta-man | well, I'm pretty much SOL then, huh? |
| 04:50.11 | rasta-man | http://nvd.nist.gov/nvd.cfm?cvename=CVE-2008-0166 |
| 04:50.14 | rasta-man | there it says: |
| 04:50.24 | jello | wd: you shouldn't have to compile, alsa should be installed |
| 04:50.27 | WormFood | I modified one of my gnupod scripts to remind me I need to run another program, that does not start with "gnupod" to make it work, and debian ERASED my fuckin' changes....it really pisses me off....how do I at least let it know that it wants to replace something I FUCKIN' CHANGED? |
| 04:50.29 | wd | jello, this is amazing.. damn this debian... i might switch for good.. :) |
| 04:50.32 | jello | wd: check the output of lsmod |
| 04:50.38 | wd | jello, ok |
| 04:50.49 | rasta-man | jello: OpenSSL 0.9.8c-1 up to versions before 0.9.8g-9 |
| 04:51.11 | jello | rasta-man: yes, but Debian backports the patches for stable |
| 04:51.13 | freezer | WormFood, dont be so aggressive |
| 04:51.22 | wd | jello, i was wondering because even in 2.4 fresh install sarge i emerged xmms i mean i apt-get xmms and sound wala..damn awesome. |
| 04:51.26 | rasta-man | jello: so, on the changelog it says it's ok... but on the .gov site it says 0.9.8c-4 is vuln |
| 04:51.38 | WormFood | this shit is pissing me off! I don't make random changes that I want to be blown away when I update |
| 04:51.42 | amitz | anyone aware of madwifi/networkkmanager bug where wifi is disconnected when networkmanager do ap background scanning? Is it currently fixed in debian lenny? I see many referencse to ubuntu but little references to debian in google. |
| 04:51.43 | jello | rasta-man: that's why it has that etch4 suffix |
| 04:52.04 | Wyzard | WormFood: Files that are intended to be modified are marked as conffiles, and dpkg does ask you about replacing those |
| 04:52.08 | jello | wd: we like things to "just work" |
| 04:52.19 | rasta-man | jello: so, this thing should be working? |
| 04:52.25 | jello | rasta-man: yes, it should |
| 04:52.26 | Wyzard | WormFood: It doesn't ask about replacing things that aren't conffilessssssssssssssssssssssssss |
| 04:52.28 | Wyzard | argh |
| 04:52.31 | WormFood | Wyzard, but what about files that are not marked as conffies? |
| 04:52.39 | rasta-man | jello: do you have a recommendation? |
| 04:52.44 | WormFood | how do I change that? |
| 04:52.45 | jello | WormFood: which file did you modify? |
| 04:52.50 | owen1 | jello: 1.replace ecth with lenny in sources.list 2.`aptitude update` and `aptitude dist-upgrade` |
| 04:52.50 | rasta-man | jello: install Windows? |
| 04:52.52 | rasta-man | lol |
| 04:52.56 | jello | rasta-man: nah |
| 04:53.16 | jello | rasta-man: you should be fine. i doubt that website actually checks the rsa key |
| 04:53.18 | WormFood | well, I modified 2 files...one was gnupod_addsong, and the other was a CONFIG FILE (for scim) |
| 04:53.29 | jello | rasta-man: it probably just looks at the version # and rejects it |
| 04:53.39 | jello | owen1: yeah |
| 04:53.52 | owen1 | jello: does it include this: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
| 04:53.52 | enouf | Corwin: the reason i brought it back up is, supposedly on the Status page of the URL for zfs-fuse - it claims snapshots should be working .. but - you said you tried it out and it fails? |
| 04:53.54 | rasta-man | that's how the CA does it too though |
| 04:53.55 | jello | WormFood: full path please |
| 04:54.03 | Wyzard | WormFood: You can't change that, but you can use dpkg-divert to make dpkg rename the packaged gnupod_addsong to something else (like gnupod_addsong.real) and put your own wrapper script there instead, which runs gnupod_addsong.real |
| 04:54.03 | rasta-man | so, I can't get a certificate!! |
| 04:54.11 | wd | jello, on the left side i see sound, soundcore, ac97_codec, snd pcm.. so what's playing sound no alsa nor oss? |
| 04:54.19 | jello | owen1: yes |
| 04:54.23 | owen1 | jello: and what about this - deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 04:54.36 | rasta-man | jello: so, what if I install 0.9.8b something? |
| 04:54.41 | wd | jello, damnit.. i'm not complaining but now i'm damn curious. |
| 04:54.48 | rasta-man | jello: would that be bad? |
| 04:54.50 | Wyzard | WormFood: If you use dpkg-divert to rename a file that's part of a package, dpkg will remember the new name and use it when installing new versions of the package too |
| 04:55.08 | wd | jello, kernel shows and load sound drivers awesome but what's playing it? |
| 04:55.16 | jello | Wyzard: you should have a private bin directory which sits in the beginning of your $PATH which you can place scripts to override the default or whatever |
| 04:55.29 | jello | sorry, meant to send to WormFood |
| 04:55.31 | WormFood | if it has been updated, I want it to notify me that it wants to replace a file that has changed from the original package, not just silently obliterate my changes |
| 04:55.35 | jello | WormFood: or just use a shell alias |
| 04:55.36 | wd | jello, i already had aumix installed from using 2.4 |
| 04:55.47 | Wyzard | That works too, but only if whatever's running gnupod_addsong is doing so via the $PATH |
| 04:55.53 | jello | wd: what do yo umean what's playing it |
| 04:56.14 | Corwin | enouf: implementing zfs with fuse is not something that I personally view as really making the cut... HammerFS supports snapshots and has a developer who wants to see it ported to Linux |
| 04:56.16 | wd | jello, don't i have to have alsa or oss? |
| 04:56.16 | WormFood | it pisses me off they destroy my changes without notifying me...it makes more work for me |
| 04:56.17 | n3kl | anyone know of some wireless performance tweaks? |
| 04:56.34 | jello | Wyzard: well, /usr is the domain of the system according to the FHS |
| 04:56.43 | jello | Wyzard: admin modifications should be in /usr/local |
| 04:56.56 | jello | wd: it's part of the kernel |
| 04:56.56 | enouf | Corwin: i see - is that nexenta related? i don;t know about nexenta |
| 04:57.00 | wd | jello, in gentoo i had to install alsa in kernel and alsa mixer and do alsaconf.. nothing here. |
| 04:57.11 | Wyzard | WormFood: And what would you choose to do, keep the old version so you don't get whatever changes the new package was trying to install? |
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| 04:57.18 | owen1 | jello: should i also rename this? deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main contrib |
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| 04:57.23 | owen1 | jello: and what about this - deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free |
| 04:57.41 | Wyzard | WormFood: then you end up with a broken package installation, with the old version of gnupod_addsong despite the newer-version package being considered installed |
| 04:57.41 | owen1 | jello: ignore the first question.. |
| 04:57.42 | jello | owen1: rename security |
| 04:57.44 | wd | jello, you mean alsa's already active and alsa conf done for me? ok, i'm impressed. |
| 04:57.45 | enouf | Corwin: also - seen btrfs from oracle? very early dev yet though http://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Main_Page |
| 04:57.50 | WormFood | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:57.55 | owen1 | jello: what about the backports+ |
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| 04:58.05 | jello | owen1: you don't need backports for lenny yet, it hasn't been released :) |
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| 04:58.06 | greeg | hi |
| 04:58.14 | greeg | hi |
| 04:58.15 | Corwin | enouf: Nexenta is like a debian/ubuntu port to solaris, it uses apt-get. hammerFS is by Matt Dillion of DragonflyBSD. Matt was going to port ZFS but got disillusioned and wrote HammerFS |
| 04:58.17 | owen1 | jello: ok |
| 04:58.21 | Wyzard | WormFood: right, but you want it to ask you so that you can say "no, don't replace", right? |
| 04:58.38 | WormFood | Wyzard, go back and read what I said....I already said I didn't want to keep old versions, but I do want to make the same changes to the new versions too |
| 04:58.39 | jello | WormFood: so use a diversion |
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| 04:59.01 | enouf | Corwin: ok, thanks for the info - i'm here atm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexenta |
| 04:59.03 | WormFood | no Wyzard, I want it to tell me so I can make the same change to the new file it wants to install |
| 04:59.03 | jello | WormFood: read dpkg-divert(8) |
| 04:59.26 | Wyzard | WormFood: You can already do that now, even though it didn't ask |
| 04:59.41 | Wyzard | WormFood: Anyway, see what I said about setting up a diversion, so you don't have to manually modify new versions at all |
| 04:59.46 | WormFood | looks like dpkg-divert may do the trick |
| 05:00.00 | WormFood | that is what I needed to know, thanks guys |
| 05:00.04 | wd | jello, sarge only goes up to 2.6.8, if i wanted to i could dl a something higher like 2.6.18 or higher right, i'm not stuck with this one kernel? |
| 05:00.18 | jello | wd: only if you're stuck with sarge |
| 05:00.24 | Corwin | enouf: btfrs and HammerFS and other are taking SOME of the ZFS ideas, but leaving the best ones (like zraid). This results in a files system better than ext3/4, xfs, ect, but nothing touches ZFS. |
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| 05:00.34 | jello | wd: i would recommend upgrading to at least etch, since sarge no longer has security support |
| 05:00.40 | WormFood | now I have to go figure out what god damn file I need to run to make my fuckin' ipod work....why the fuck can't they name all the files gnupod_*? |
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| 05:01.06 | jello | WormFood: try dpkg -L gnupod |
| 05:01.07 | Corwin | WormFood: Just fuck the fucking fuckers! |
| 05:01.18 | wd | jello, well i'm using this box a p4, 2.4ghz as my test box with sarge because my laptops are really old.. can't tell you how old.. |
| 05:01.19 | WormFood | the fuckin' fucker is fucked |
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| 05:01.48 | wd | jello, toshiba satelite 400cs, 500meg hd, 40meg ram 100mhz |
| 05:02.01 | n3kl | My wireless is under attack, no freaking wonder its slow |
| 05:02.03 | enouf | Corwin: and nothing touches KVM either ;-) |
| 05:02.14 | wd | jello, mac powerbook 1400cs, 32meg ram, 2g hd 166mhz |
| 05:02.23 | jello | wd: see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/ch03s04.html.en |
| 05:02.30 | wd | jello, nothing would work but debian baby... oh yea |
| 05:02.30 | enouf | Corwin: well, in FOSS circles, i mean |
| 05:02.50 | jigp | n3kl howd you know your wireless is under attact? |
| 05:02.52 | Corwin | enouf: You don;t think Xen is in the same circle as kvm? |
| 05:02.58 | jello | wd: that's oooooooooooold |
| 05:02.58 | enouf | Corwin: i mean discarding proprietary big iron implementations of nix |
| 05:03.04 | enouf | Corwin: not even close |
| 05:03.06 | wd | jello, told you.. |
| 05:03.23 | jello | ok, past my bedtime |
| 05:03.27 | jello | g'night all |
| 05:03.33 | n3kl | jigp: kismet |
| 05:03.37 | wd | jello, i tried fbsd faild.. of course gentoo failed.. who wants to compile everything on these anyway. |
| 05:03.45 | wd | jello, night. |
| 05:03.45 | jigp | n3kl : what is kismet? |
| 05:03.53 | jello | wd: especially on a 100MHz machine... |
| 05:04.03 | jigp | wd: whats your server again? |
| 05:04.05 | n3kl | jigp: apt-cache show kismet |
| 05:04.12 | Corwin | enouf: what leads you to that conclusion? I love kvm, I'm using it in deamon mode and using rdesktop to connect to individual programs |
| 05:04.36 | wd | what server? |
| 05:04.41 | wd | jigp, ^^ |
| 05:04.56 | enouf | Corwin: xen will never have the ability to prioritize the guestOS scheduling |
| 05:05.04 | jigp | wd : ahha..you have debian server mate? |
| 05:05.11 | enouf | Corwin: to evenly spread a load across all guests, etc |
| 05:05.12 | Corwin | enouf: I've had kvm running 3 copies of XP and Vista with them all seeing each other in network neighborhood |
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| 05:05.35 | Corwin | Xen can transfer VM's from machine to machine |
| 05:05.38 | wd | jigp, yes, pII 450mhz |
| 05:05.53 | enouf | that's not what i said at all |
| 05:06.09 | jigp | wd : wow..p2..thats old..and the ram? |
| 05:06.16 | Corwin | but kvm can't do that I don't think |
| 05:06.34 | enouf | jigp: ~$ grep Deschutes /var/log/dmesg |
| 05:06.34 | enouf | CPU: Intel Pentium II (Deschutes) stepping 02 |
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| 05:06.54 | enouf | Corwin: maybe not yet - but surely it will |
| 05:07.24 | Corwin | do you have any docs to read regarding the "evenly spread a load across all guests" |
| 05:07.42 | enouf | Corwin: how about a nice video ? ;-) |
| 05:07.44 | wd | jigp, sorry my server is a gentoo box.. going to run deb so i'm testing sarge. |
| 05:07.56 | Corwin | enouf: sounds great, as long as it's not flash |
| 05:08.10 | enouf | Corwin: er.. well it |
| 05:08.13 | enouf | s FLV |
| 05:08.18 | enouf | but i watch it in mplayer |
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| 05:08.23 | wd | jigp, but i have two laptops with sarge on them so i'm using a box with sarge to experiment with apps and kernels and such. |
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| 05:08.27 | enouf | no SWF crap Corwin |
| 05:08.28 | enouf | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw |
| 05:08.44 | enouf | i can give you the direct url for mplayer if you want |
| 05:08.46 | rasta-man | how do I get a message to jello? |
| 05:08.56 | rasta-man | I just want to tell him what the fix was for my problem |
| 05:09.02 | rasta-man | he'll probably see it again |
| 05:09.15 | Corwin | enouf: how do you get the direct URL? Firefox videodownloader plugin? |
| 05:09.27 | wd | jigp, laptops are very very old. tried fbsd but install failed.. debian seems to recommended online and i went from woody to sarge. |
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| 05:09.59 | enouf | Corwin: well, i used to get it from the html source, manually - but with n3kl 's help - we put together a Shell script ;-) |
| 05:10.05 | wd | jigp, now i'm testing 2.6 kernel on my box so now it's time to update kernel on laps. :) |
| 05:10.16 | enouf | ColdFyre: no, no FF here -links2 -g only |
| 05:10.24 | enouf | but mplayer for the videos |
| 05:10.34 | ColdFyre | say what |
| 05:10.39 | enouf | sorry |
| 05:10.44 | enouf | Corwin: no, no FF here -links2 -g only |
| 05:10.44 | ColdFyre | :) |
| 05:10.49 | enouf | but mplayer for the videos |
| 05:10.55 | wd | jigp, if they will take. pcmcia wouldn't play nice with etch floppy install but 2.4 sarge floppy found pcmcia np. |
| 05:11.31 | enouf | Corwin: i'll send you it in pm, k ? .. |
| 05:11.39 | Corwin | enouf: sure |
| 05:12.02 | jigp | wd : hows gentoo? |
| 05:12.12 | wd | jigp, fast |
| 05:13.24 | wd | jigp, but i'm seeing with this 2.6 kernel debian can be fast also.. i'm kicking myself now.. because all these years using USE flags and compiling all apps (for my hardware) maybe a waste..(don't tell the guys in #gentoo i said that) |
| 05:13.59 | WormFood | nice! I just negated my need to modify gnupod_addsong |
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| 05:14.53 | WormFood | why the fuck do they make me run multiple programs to add songs to my ipod? it boggles my mind....while looking for the place to add my reminder, I see where they read an option from the .gnupodrc file to do the same thing I wanted it to do all along |
| 05:15.06 | greeg | what dir does the kernel source reside in? |
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| 05:15.29 | WormFood | greeg, wherever you put it, but the normal place us /usr/src/linux |
| 05:15.37 | greeg | thx |
| 05:15.53 | WormFood | actually, the normal place is /usr/src/linux-version with a link to /usr/src/linux |
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| 05:16.54 | greeg | all i see is /usr/src/rpm |
| 05:16.59 | greeg | thats all that under /usr/src |
| 05:17.15 | enouf | jigp: i got 320MB ram on my p2 - i should add more, and will - but it's snappy ;-) |
| 05:17.27 | enouf | it's the software i choose to run - and not run ;-) |
| 05:17.56 | WormFood | greeg, what distro are you running? |
| 05:18.54 | enouf | haha @ " because all these years using USE flags and compiling all apps (for my hardware) maybe a waste..(don't tell the guys in #gentoo i said that) " <-- Votes for QOTD! |
| 05:19.01 | enouf | or bash,org worthy! |
| 05:19.06 | jigp | enouf : nice :) |
| 05:19.14 | greeg | Etch |
| 05:19.16 | greeg | WormFood: |
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| 05:19.47 | jigp | wd: do you have firewalls, load balancing, filtering, block sites and torrent ports? |
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| 05:20.06 | wd | jigp, yes |
| 05:20.13 | wd | enouf, oh stop. :) |
| 05:20.32 | enouf | wd: :-P |
| 05:20.58 | wd | enouf, as if you don't remember those days.. :) |
| 05:20.58 | jigp | wd : do you have windows workstations? |
| 05:21.03 | wd | jigp, no |
| 05:21.07 | enouf | hahaha |
| 05:21.08 | jigp | enouf : 320mb? |
| 05:21.18 | jigp | enouf you need 8gb ram |
| 05:21.18 | enouf | MegaByte, but yep |
| 05:21.19 | jigp | hehe |
| 05:21.39 | enouf | no way - no DE Bloat allowed ;-) |
| 05:21.48 | n3kl | Didn't some wireless manufacture just become all linux supportive recently? |
| 05:22.00 | n3kl | I need to get a pci wireless device, but I don't know which one |
| 05:22.03 | freezer | atheros? |
| 05:22.16 | n3kl | yeah, but which cards run the atheros chipset |
| 05:22.27 | Corwin | seconds freezer, or a card with the RTL8187 chip |
| 05:22.54 | freezer | lots of |
| 05:23.17 | jigp | enouf wd bbl |
| 05:23.19 | jigp | reboot |
| 05:23.38 | greeg | why are there no source files or even a sub dir named "linux" under /usr/src? |
| 05:24.15 | simonrvn | because a linux source tree isn't installed by default... |
| 05:24.21 | freezer | ... |
| 05:24.28 | Corwin | greeg: You have to apt-get install the kernel sources |
| 05:24.34 | freezer | because evil debian deleted them |
| 05:24.37 | enouf | n3kl: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_alles.php? |
| 05:24.38 | WormFood | greeg, because you didn't install the kernel source |
| 05:24.53 | greeg | will the source files corespond to what Etch provided? |
| 05:25.03 | freezer | you need |
| 05:25.06 | simonrvn | what? |
| 05:25.09 | enouf | n3kl: it's slow site, i know - but worth it ;-) |
| 05:25.10 | freezer | linux-headers |
| 05:25.40 | n3kl | enouf: nice, thanks |
| 05:25.48 | enouf | n3kl: also some recent general wifi info http://wireless.kernel.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211 |
| 05:26.32 | greeg | Package linux-headers is a virtual package provided by: |
| 05:26.42 | greeg | You should explicitly select one to install. |
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| 05:27.35 | freezer | + uname-r |
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| 05:29.25 | enouf | greeg: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:29.47 | enouf | will grab the ones for your running kernel |
| 05:29.53 | enouf | if still available ;-) |
| 05:30.45 | greeg | enouf: still same error msg |
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| 05:31.27 | enouf | greeg: pastebin output of command + all errors |
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| 05:32.29 | Corwin | The linux-wless.passys.nl site shows the Alfa USB adapter with the RTL8187 chip as yellow... I think that's the best wifi adapter made, and it works perfect under Linux. Hell the box has tux on it. |
| 05:33.27 | freezer | perfect well |
| 05:33.36 | freezer | it works better under windows i think |
| 05:34.04 | greeg | http://rafb.net/p/bwxouu92.html |
| 05:34.12 | Corwin | I don;t see how it could work better, windows woudl crash resulting in a shorter Internet connection time |
| 05:34.47 | enouf | greeg: now try the command i gave you to use ;-) |
| 05:35.08 | Corwin | My biggest concern with the card is cancer |
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| 05:35.39 | enouf | Corwin: please update the site? tell the authors? |
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| 05:35.57 | enouf | Corwin: wait, USB as best support? omg .. ;-) |
| 05:36.34 | greeg | you mean just uname? |
| 05:36.35 | greeg | 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 05:37.03 | Corwin | works great for me, and I can inject enough packets to hack WEP in a minute or two. I don't think I'd want 1/2 a watt of wifi power insode my computer anyway. |
| 05:37.09 | greeg | oh that wasnt you |
| 05:37.30 | joshua__ | exit |
| 05:37.31 | greeg | my bad |
| 05:37.33 | joshua__ | quit |
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| 05:38.31 | Wyzard | If I have a Linux software RAID array with 64k blocksize (the default), and I'm creating an ext3 filesystem with 4k blocksize (also the default), the correct stride-size setting to pass to mke2fs is 16 (64/4), correct? |
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| 05:40.56 | oceanborn | Does PPTPD + Radius support Disconnect-Request (rfc3576)? Otherwise could someone recommend lightweight VPN server with support for Radius Disconnect-Request's? |
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| 05:41.35 | greeg | Corwin: im assuming the source is in /usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.18 ? |
| 05:41.44 | greeg | or enouf or whoever |
| 05:41.47 | jigp | hi |
| 05:41.59 | jigp | enouf do you sleep?seems like you are alive 24/7 |
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| 05:43.29 | enouf | jigp: 24/7/365 :-P |
| 05:43.36 | greeg | so if i get the latest kernel from kernel.org, ( and run make menuconfig), does it provide it's own linux headers? |
| 05:44.06 | jigp | haha |
| 05:44.10 | enouf | greeg: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 05:44.31 | newsense | more /etc/syslog.conf |
| 05:44.59 | greeg | enouf: i did that |
| 05:45.15 | enouf | and? |
| 05:45.16 | greeg | and there is /usr/src/linux-kbuild-2.6.18/scripts no source files |
| 05:45.27 | jigp | enouf : is there a way I can trace who is the one eating bandwidth? |
| 05:46.04 | streuner | iptraf? |
| 05:46.09 | enouf | [01:32:06] <enouf> greeg: pastebin output of command + all errors |
| 05:46.12 | enouf | sigh |
| 05:46.23 | enouf | jigp: iftop? |
| 05:46.31 | enouf | trace? not sure what you mean ;-) |
| 05:46.37 | enouf | LAN? |
| 05:46.52 | jigp | yes workstation in lan |
| 05:47.27 | joshua__ | I have a problem about compiz. when it start ,there is no edge and title |
| 05:47.51 | jigp | enouf : yes LAN |
| 05:47.55 | enouf | jigp: not sure of best tool offhand for that jigp |
| 05:48.01 | joshua__ | My os is debian 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 05:48.21 | joshua__ | did anyone meet the same problem? |
| 05:48.42 | enouf | jigp: not sure if yuo want gui, like etherape - or even if that one does what you want |
| 05:49.03 | enouf | jigp: use apt-cache show iptraf for ex |
| 05:49.13 | enouf | as streuner mentioned |
| 05:50.06 | Corwin | enouf: I fired off an email to the site regarding the alfa USB adapter |
| 05:50.16 | greeg | enouf: so where are the source files? find linux-kbuild-2.6.18/ | grep ".c" says there are none |
| 05:50.32 | enouf | Corwin: very sweet - thanks |
| 05:50.50 | enouf | greeg: no source - headers you installed |
| 05:50.57 | jigp | enouf i dont want to use a gui..i dont have much ram to scroll with..whats is a good program for cli? :) |
| 05:51.06 | enouf | greeg: you want source? install source |
| 05:52.13 | enouf | jigp: hrm .. iftop, ntop, iptraf .. again, not sure which will sniff the LAN for you - tcpdump .. wireshark, etc .. |
| 05:52.33 | Corwin | enouf: Why your distain for USB wifi adapters? |
| 05:52.46 | greeg | ok |
| 05:53.00 | enouf | Corwin: nay - disdain for all usb ;-) |
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| 05:53.22 | jigp | enouf : with that clients ^^ can also block outgoing ports?like if workstation pc1 will download movies for ex? |
| 05:53.27 | enouf | greeg: you need a deb-src line for it, if you don't go and d/l it directly |
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| 05:53.37 | enouf | !tell greeg -about grounding |
| 05:53.42 | Corwin | enouf: would you rather use serial or parallel? You can't beat the latency of a parallel port... |
| 05:53.44 | enouf | greeg: read read read |
| 05:53.58 | greeg | enouf: i found linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 05:54.05 | enouf | Corwin: haha - no, firewire - esata - pcie |
| 05:54.14 | enouf | ok |
| 05:55.07 | Corwin | enouf: find me a firewire or esata wifi adapter. ;) |
| 05:55.22 | enouf | oh .. no no ... i meant vs all usb |
| 05:55.33 | enouf | otherwise PCI, PCIe, etc |
| 05:55.39 | Corwin | USB2 has better large file transfer speed than firewire |
| 05:55.50 | enouf | wait - are we on wifi again? |
| 05:55.56 | Corwin | no |
| 05:56.03 | enouf | it also sucks down more cpu |
| 05:56.16 | enouf | but yeah, old orig 400 firewire is dead |
| 05:56.34 | Corwin | enouf: very true, and as a result is cheaper to manufacture devices |
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| 05:56.46 | Corwin | USB3 will have fiber |
| 05:56.56 | enouf | bah, just because VHS beat out Betamax in consumer arena doesn' |
| 05:57.02 | enouf | t mean it was better ;-) |
| 05:57.06 | jigp | is it necessary and advisable to upgrade my kernel?im not sure also why need to upgrade kernel |
| 05:57.15 | enouf | just like all this friggin HD-DVD vs Bluray crap |
| 05:57.20 | Corwin | VHS is horrible compared to Beatmax |
| 05:57.20 | enouf | it'a all about $$$$$ |
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| 05:57.26 | enouf | indeed |
| 05:57.33 | enouf | BetaMax is used in pro video |
| 05:57.37 | enouf | or was |
| 05:57.39 | Wyzard | jigp: Use the kernel that comes with your Debian release unless you have a specific reason to do otherwise |
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| 05:58.09 | Wyzard | jigp: but note that the Debian kernel gets updated occasionally for security fixes; you should install those updates when they're available (normal apt upgrade) |
| 05:58.32 | enouf | Corwin: if bluray came out in 2000, great ;-) |
| 05:58.42 | enouf | Corwin: otherwise, it's dead in my book |
| 05:59.10 | Corwin | well was... Many years ago I reaplaced a million dollar betamax editing room with a 50K Dec Alpha using a playback card that basically streamed jpeg out. The main thing the client was impressed with was the video quality . This was in maybe 1997 |
| 05:59.24 | enouf | Corwin: usb3 using fiber? great, so should everything else - and infiniband too ;-) |
| 05:59.33 | enouf | pluggable PCIe :-) |
| 05:59.44 | enouf | every desktop should have a ExpressCard slot ;-) |
| 06:00.00 | jigp | thank you Wyzard :) |
| 06:00.12 | jigp | thanks enouf |
| 06:00.25 | Wyzard | is downloading etch r4 CD images with jigdo and wonders why mirrors.kernel.org is reporting a MIME type of application/x-troff-man for .deb files |
| 06:00.50 | enouf | sure jigp .. |
| 06:01.00 | enouf | heh |
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| 06:23.00 | mhymn | hi, my hardware clock is set to localtime, and i need the debian time to be the same, i use "hwclock -s" and it does the job, but the debian time goes faster than BIOS, and they become very different with each other |
| 06:23.07 | mhymn | what should i do? |
| 06:23.20 | enouf | !ntp |
| 06:23.20 | dpkg | it has been said that ntp is the Network Time Protocol. Try "apt-get install ntp" for basic usage. Use "pool.ntp.org" as your NTP server if you don't have one of your own already. (Make sure your time zone is right, with tzconfig, first.) See http://www.ntp.org/ or http://www.openntpd.org/ for more information. |
| 06:23.32 | greeg | the latest headers in aptitude search linux-headers are linux-headers-2.6.25, but kernel.org has source now at linux-2.6.26 |
| 06:23.56 | enouf | greeg: yes, kernel.org is upstream for every distro ;-) |
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| 06:24.10 | greeg | i ran aptitude update |
| 06:24.28 | greeg | i cant find the latest headers in kernel.org |
| 06:24.36 | enouf | mhymn: is any vmware involved? |
| 06:24.45 | et | greeg: yes. now what's your question? |
| 06:24.45 | mhymn | enouf: no |
| 06:24.46 | enouf | greeg: right |
| 06:25.01 | greeg | so where can i find linux-2.6.26 headers ? |
| 06:25.02 | mhymn | enouf: is there any better beside ntp? that system doesnt have internet connection |
| 06:25.11 | et | greeg: not in debian repositories |
| 06:25.14 | greeg | and why dont they throw both in one package |
| 06:25.23 | greeg | they as in kernel.org |
| 06:25.35 | enouf | mhymn: not sure - maybe try hwclock --systohw? |
| 06:25.38 | et | "both"? |
| 06:25.43 | enouf | mhymn: --directisa? |
| 06:26.19 | enouf | greeg: debian splits up the source and headers b/c source isn't needed for almost all things |
| 06:26.23 | et | dpkg: ntp =~ s/tzconfig/tzconfig or 'dpkg-reconfigure tzdata'/ |
| 06:26.23 | dpkg | OK, et |
| 06:26.27 | enouf | greeg: only headers are |
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| 06:26.41 | mhymn | enouf: the BIOS time and date is already ok, i want to set that in debian too |
| 06:26.55 | enouf | !set the time |
| 06:26.55 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch), dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid), and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 06:27.39 | Faithful | Hey guys, I got a big problem... when my default route dies (adsl router) samba crawls real bad... to the point that no one can open files eventually... ideas??? |
| 06:27.49 | mot_ | no i don't even know your name |
| 06:27.52 | mot_ | it doesn't maaater |
| 06:27.59 | mot_ | you're my experimental game. just...human nature |
| 06:28.05 | enouf | mhymn: might you have a bad cmos battery? if not, your bios might be buggy? any specific kernel params you are passing at boot time? like noapic ? |
| 06:28.07 | mot_ | it's not what good girls do - not how they should behave |
| 06:28.12 | mot_ | my head is so confused - hard to imagine |
| 06:28.16 | mot_ | i kissed a girl and i liked it.. |
| 06:28.21 | mot_ | the taste of her cherry chapstick |
| 06:28.21 | Nyle | dude |
| 06:28.32 | mot_ | i kissed a girl just to try it...i hope my boyfriend don't mind it. |
| 06:28.33 | Nyle | no one gives a flying toss. |
| 06:28.42 | enouf | mot_: gtfo |
| 06:28.43 | mot_ | Nyle, you don't watch TV do you? |
| 06:28.48 | mot_ | oh fn' relax |
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| 06:28.50 | mot_ | it's a pop song |
| 06:28.53 | mot_ | sheesh |
| 06:28.53 | Nyle | mot_, do you have a debian support related question? |
| 06:28.55 | mhymn | enouf: none of those problems afaik |
| 06:29.10 | mot_ | Nyle, are you sitting in an irc channel @ approx 2.30am on a thursday? |
| 06:29.15 | Nyle | mot_, please be kind enough to /msg dpkg guidelines, and try to keep it on topic |
| 06:29.19 | enouf | you friggin weenie - not the place for that - even Nyle knows that :-P |
| 06:29.21 | mot_ | yes, i do have a debian support-related question |
| 06:29.25 | mot_ | for the whiners |
| 06:29.35 | mot_ | when does the support-life of etch expire? |
| 06:29.36 | Nyle | !guidelines |
| 06:29.36 | dpkg | 1) Read the /topic, the FAQ, and google before asking us. 2) Don't ask to ask. Just ask. 3) Don't repeat; show that you have tried to help yourself by refining the question. 4) Reading docs (man/info pages, READMEs) is a worthwhile skill. Practice it. 5) Use /msg to talk to the bots (not the people). See <msg>. 6) Be polite and patient. 7) Paste on #flood or <paster>, not here. 8) No trolls or spam. |
| 06:29.40 | Nyle | !offtopic |
| 06:29.40 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 06:29.43 | mot_ | and, also, when whilst lenny be considered stable? |
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| 06:29.46 | mhymn | enouf: the BIOS time works fine, without any problem, but the debian time is faster than that! |
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| 06:30.02 | Nyle | mot_, we don't know. Whenever its ready, it'll be ready |
| 06:30.03 | enouf | mhymn: seems system time wavering eh? |
| 06:30.03 | Nyle | !wir |
| 06:30.03 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 06:30.08 | Nyle | !wwlr |
| 06:30.08 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 06:30.11 | mot_ | Nyle, terrible answer |
| 06:30.17 | Nyle | mot_, we don't know |
| 06:30.17 | mot_ | you'd last 4 seconds in the military... |
| 06:30.20 | Nyle | there is no set release date |
| 06:30.29 | enouf | mhymn: what kind of hardware are we talking? |
| 06:30.32 | Nyle | you want me to make something up to satisfy you? |
| 06:30.39 | enouf | mhymn: a toaster oven maybe? ;-P |
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| 06:30.55 | mot_ | no |
| 06:30.56 | mot_ | nevermind |
| 06:31.02 | mot_ | i'll go drunkenly harass another channel |
| 06:31.04 | mot_ | this one sucks |
| 06:31.08 | mhymn | enouf: no, i think its a ebian etch ;) |
| 06:31.10 | mot_ | sorry. i usually rotate amongst channels whilst drunk |
| 06:31.18 | mot_ | 'till i find one receptive of my drunken stupor |
| 06:31.21 | mot_ | peace. |
| 06:31.22 | Nyle | mot_, please keep it on topic. |
| 06:31.27 | mot_ | Nyle, ...... |
| 06:31.32 | mot_ | seriously, what time is it where you reside |
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| 06:31.37 | mot_ | go out and fucking have a drink. |
| 06:31.48 | mot_ | seriously. if you're est or even pst. get the fuck off irc and go out. |
| 06:31.50 | et | 8:30am here |
| 06:31.50 | mot_ | ...jebus. |
| 06:31.54 | Nyle | and make a complete fool of myself like you are? |
| 06:31.56 | Nyle | no thanks. |
| 06:32.04 | Nyle | I'm a bit more mature than that, as should you be. |
| 06:32.05 | mot_ | oh sorry, complete fool i must be. |
| 06:32.07 | mot_ | haha |
| 06:32.19 | mot_ | Nyle: i'm an officer in the navy. ask my about maturity when i sober up. |
| 06:32.21 | mot_ | we'll swap stories. |
| 06:32.26 | Nyle | please, if you don't have a debian support related question, kindly go to #debian-offtopic |
| 06:32.27 | mot_ | then we'll see who has more life experience and more gusto. |
| 06:32.34 | mot_ | until then, please, flatter yourself and yourself alone. |
| 06:32.48 | enouf | mhymn: that's not hardware ;-) |
| 06:32.50 | mot_ | if you think having a few drinks is "immature" then you're ridiculously naive. sorry. |
| 06:32.53 | mot_ | anyways. i'm out |
| 06:32.55 | mot_ | evening. |
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| 06:33.10 | Nyle | enouf, you 'tard. |
| 06:33.18 | Nyle | enouf, whats not hardware? |
| 06:33.28 | enouf | tards are smarter than i Nyle :-P |
| 06:33.34 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:33.37 | Nyle | oh, true, true. |
| 06:33.45 | enouf | debian etch .. you dumbass |
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| 06:33.55 | Nyle | enouf, hey I got stoned today after almost like 4 months |
| 06:33.57 | Nyle | :) |
| 06:34.12 | Nyle | it was pretty nice, but nothing I could do 24/7 again |
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| 06:34.19 | Nyle | I think I'm good for another half a year |
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| 06:34.47 | enouf | hehe |
| 06:34.48 | Nyle | in fact, I'm uh... hm.. |
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| 06:35.00 | mhymn | enouf: so what? a debian which runs on a oven, the oven time is ok, but the debian time is faster that that, is it ok now? |
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| 06:35.06 | enouf | there ya go |
| 06:35.11 | stoned | yeh had to identify |
| 06:35.16 | enouf | mhymn: yep ;-) |
| 06:35.53 | stoned | enouf, so, hey listen you have seen the RC bug count lately |
| 06:35.53 | stoned | ? |
| 06:35.56 | stoned | !rc bugs |
| 06:35.56 | dpkg | Release-Critical bugs are bugs preventing the next version of Debian from being released. A list of RC bugs is available at http://people.debian.org/~sesse/bugscan/other/testing.html or http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=lenny |
| 06:35.58 | enouf | mhymn: i'm really only well familiar with x86 you weenie |
| 06:36.06 | enouf | now you know why i'm asking |
| 06:36.33 | enouf | so answer, or stfu, or i'll just plonk you |
| 06:36.37 | stoned | hey |
| 06:36.39 | stoned | be nice man |
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| 06:37.14 | mhymn | enouf: ok, thats an amd64, i use an amd64 myself too but i dont have that problem here |
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| 06:37.29 | stoned | feel free to say fuck fuckity fuck asshole cock shit tits bitch motherfucker |
| 06:37.36 | stoned | but don't attack other debian users |
| 06:37.45 | stoned | thats all |
| 06:37.52 | stoned | so uhm.. word. |
| 06:38.07 | spx2 | stoned: I like your style,you seem to speak freely,like I do |
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| 06:38.09 | enouf | dude - i asked a simple question (about hardware) and got told a software answer |
| 06:38.13 | cydork | hmm that reminds me of george carlin.. but THIS IS OT.. |
| 06:38.19 | spx2 | stoned: that's why I was banned from #perl on most networks |
| 06:38.25 | enouf | then on top - the fucker wants to know about you mommas oven |
| 06:38.29 | stoned | enouf, its alright, you're a 'tard anyway ;) we understand |
| 06:38.31 | stoned | we still love you |
| 06:38.33 | stoned | !love enouf |
| 06:38.33 | dpkg | makes love to enouf, caressing enouf's hair, whispering sweet nothings in enouf's ear... |
| 06:38.46 | mhymn | enouf: sorry for that, was a misunderstanding! |
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| 06:38.53 | spx2 | stoned: so you're calling a regular user a 'tard now ? |
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| 06:39.02 | stoned | hes not a regular user |
| 06:39.03 | spx2 | enouf: who is this stoned guy ? |
| 06:39.06 | enouf | so now .. i have to type all this fucken bullshit to explain to you ? |
| 06:39.17 | stoned | hes a regular 'tardsterm |
| 06:39.17 | enouf | ok mhymn |
| 06:39.22 | enouf | no worries then |
| 06:39.35 | stoned | enouf, you seen my new theme for my gallery? |
| 06:39.44 | Zeroyez | installing lenny with netinst, I get stuck at Retrieving file 31 of 895 (8h52min48s remaining) (5%) |
| 06:39.49 | stoned | !nyle.debian.wallpapers |
| 06:39.49 | dpkg | somebody said nyle.debian.wallpapers was http://jtech.hfds.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=1 <-- original debianwallpaper artwork by Nyle |
| 06:39.56 | enouf | stoned: nope - seen my silly screen shot? |
| 06:40.00 | stoned | it looks like mac os x now |
| 06:40.09 | Zeroyez | but i'm guessing the debian canada ftp just went down |
| 06:40.12 | stoned | enouf, nope, I wasn't around, i wanna see, I love screenshots |
| 06:40.18 | mhymn | enouf: well, i think i should find the answer myself, thanks for the help anyway ;) |
| 06:40.24 | Zeroyez | is there a way to exit the installation thing and go back to the last step |
| 06:40.29 | Nyle | Zeroyez, yes |
| 06:40.33 | Zeroyez | so i can choose a different mirror |
| 06:40.49 | Nyle | Zeroyez, go to alt+f2 tty2 |
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| 06:41.02 | Nyle | Zeroyez, ps x, kill the pid thats currently going for the tast you're doing |
| 06:41.13 | enouf | mhymn: i'm out of ideas offhand anyway - but you did see all dpkg the bots answers into channel about "set the time" correct? |
| 06:41.15 | Nyle | you'll go back to alt+f1 tty1, you get a red screen and dumped to the menu |
| 06:41.27 | Nyle | other than that, I don't know of a way, unless you specify a higher debconf priority |
| 06:41.41 | Nyle | like debconf_priority=low |
| 06:41.45 | mhymn | enouf: yup |
| 06:41.46 | Nyle | as a boot param |
| 06:41.58 | enouf | mhymn: are you running amd64 arch? |
| 06:42.03 | Zeroyez | i think i'll just stick with restarting the installer lol |
| 06:42.06 | mhymn | enouf: yep |
| 06:42.19 | Nyle | oh my god |
| 06:42.28 | Nyle | enouf, you have the ugliest looking desktop in the universe |
| 06:42.31 | enouf | mhymn: hrm - maybe see if #debian-amd64 has any ideas? check the BTS 1st |
| 06:42.37 | enouf | Nyle: yep |
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| 06:42.59 | enouf | Nyle: here's what REal power users say about it .. |
| 06:43.07 | mhymn | enouf: i'll check them, thanks again |
| 06:43.15 | Nyle | power user? |
| 06:43.23 | Nyle | irssi is power usering |
| 06:43.33 | Nyle | you're just not cool man ;) |
| 06:43.34 | enouf | Ahh Clean simple nice functional |
| 06:43.41 | enouf | you dumbass |
| 06:43.45 | Nyle | I'm clean and simple and nice and functional |
| 06:43.53 | Nyle | but my shit doesn't give me eye sores either |
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| 06:44.25 | Nyle | you're just too old, old man |
| 06:44.28 | Nyle | hahahah ;) |
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| 06:45.26 | enouf | shakes his cane at Nyle |
| 06:45.33 | Nyle | enouf, how many kde libs and packages does your irc client depend on |
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| 06:45.43 | enouf | 5 Billion too many |
| 06:45.50 | Nyle | I wonder why you're using a kde app for irc, when all you do is complain about how bloated kde is |
| 06:46.05 | enouf | Nyle: i'm on a p2 with 320M ram |
| 06:46.11 | Nyle | so why not use irssi |
| 06:46.16 | enouf | and it's snappy .. |
| 06:46.16 | Nyle | like regular people |
| 06:46.21 | Nyle | you're a tool |
| 06:46.23 | Nyle | hopeless |
| 06:46.27 | Nyle | utterly hopeless |
| 06:46.32 | enouf | but only cause i broke the rest of kde bloat |
| 06:46.33 | Nyle | :( |
| 06:46.41 | Nyle | how |
| 06:46.43 | enouf | stop typing you dumbass |
| 06:46.44 | jescis | uses irssi :) |
| 06:46.45 | Nyle | you staticlaly built it? |
| 06:47.05 | Nyle | thts the only other way I can think of to not have it depend on external libs |
| 06:47.17 | enouf | dude - see the tabs? or you choose not to notice the GUI + tabs |
| 06:47.20 | Nyle | but still, the bianry goes up in size, takes about the same or more amount of ram and resources |
| 06:47.26 | Nyle | enouf, I did |
| 06:47.34 | Nyle | why use a gui app on a system so old |
| 06:47.40 | Nyle | and also complain about kde being blaoted |
| 06:47.47 | Nyle | and then using a fucknig kde app for irc on top of it |
| 06:47.51 | enouf | i use 3 apps only, konsole, klipper and that irc client |
| 06:47.56 | enouf | end of story |
| 06:47.57 | Nyle | I mean.. can I have some of what you're smoking |
| 06:47.57 | Nyle | ? |
| 06:48.08 | enouf | anything else KDE takes 5000 years to launch |
| 06:48.16 | Nyle | no it doesn't |
| 06:48.30 | Nyle | you're paranoid and don't know what software to use on what hardware |
| 06:48.30 | enouf | and Konqueror is worse than Dial up from 1997 |
| 06:48.40 | Nyle | you're worse than dialup! |
| 06:48.48 | enouf | i'm on a 15/2mb line |
| 06:48.50 | Nyle | konqueror kicks ass |
| 06:49.00 | Nyle | yeh well, I'm on a 10/1.5mb line |
| 06:49.03 | enouf | no links2 -g does |
| 06:49.14 | Nyle | enouf, yes, but also konqueror |
| 06:49.24 | Zeroyez | yeah well i'm on a 0.5/0.1mb dsl line |
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| 06:49.31 | Nyle | I have a 3.5ghz core 2, with 4gb ram an x1900xt 256mb |
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| 06:49.39 | Nyle | everything is fantastic here |
| 06:49.45 | Nyle | kde is like super duper fast |
| 06:49.54 | Nyle | I click a button, half a second later apps pop up |
| 06:49.54 | Zeroyez | quad or duo? |
| 06:50.02 | Nyle | duo |
| 06:50.05 | Nyle | e6300 b1 |
| 06:50.10 | Zeroyez | oh nice |
| 06:50.17 | Nyle | old first batch |
| 06:50.32 | Nyle | capped at 4.0ghz, which I never hit personally |
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| 06:50.47 | enouf | Nyle: give me a site to compare load trimes for you - i;ll time it |
| 06:50.49 | Zeroyez | I have that exact processor on the table in front of me, woohoo coincidences |
| 06:50.56 | Nyle | I got it to 3.8ghz but that was it |
| 06:51.00 | Nyle | Zeroyez, no such thing |
| 06:51.10 | enouf | make it a bit of a many image site, with atleast 10 pages on front page say |
| 06:51.15 | Nyle | enouf, why do you use such a crappy system |
| 06:51.16 | Zeroyez | well it's an E6300 :) |
| 06:51.23 | Nyle | you run a company, you're rich biatch |
| 06:51.24 | enouf | Nyle: it's not |
| 06:51.27 | enouf | the Apps are |
| 06:51.34 | enouf | that you say are good |
| 06:51.43 | enouf | the Apps i use are fine on this system |
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| 06:51.48 | enouf | no complaints |
| 06:51.49 | Nyle | we're not gonan see eye to eye on this |
| 06:51.51 | Nyle | fuck it |
| 06:51.51 | Zeroyez | i just swapped my E6300 for a Q6600 yesterday, I can get it to max 3 GHz then I get extremely unstable |
| 06:51.54 | Nyle | you da man |
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| 06:52.06 | Nyle | you da man, also a tool, but still da man |
| 06:52.15 | enouf | ;-) |
| 06:52.17 | Zeroyez | i'm guessing it's my 9 year old PSU B) |
| 06:52.59 | jescis | still has an AMD Athlon XP 2000+ :( |
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| 06:53.35 | enouf | Nyle: i would not bash konq so much = i actually kind of like the features, even though i don't thnk it should be a File Manager and all that as well - but dude - i do not kid about the loading web pages times |
| 06:53.44 | enouf | Nyle: it fucken hurts |
| 06:53.57 | enouf | Nyle: i start breaking things around e |
| 06:54.21 | Zeroyez | hehe, hopefully i'll be upgrading my PSU soon, opened up a box for the new HD 4870 card and put it in my system then found out it requires PCI-E power cables :( |
| 06:54.52 | enouf | jescis: p2 here is my main box |
| 06:54.52 | jescis | enouf, if it's so slow why not use CLI only? |
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| 06:55.08 | enouf | jescis: you're not paying attention |
| 06:55.24 | jescis | enouf, yes I am |
| 06:55.45 | jescis | enouf, I have a p2 dell as well |
| 06:56.10 | jescis | which I plan on using as a server |
| 06:56.14 | enouf | no you aren't you fucken idiot - my Box is not slow! . the apps i use are NOT slow .. |
| 06:56.38 | enouf | Konqueror is SLOWER than fucken Dialup from 1997! |
| 06:56.42 | jescis | I am not an idiot |
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| 06:56.51 | freezer | hm |
| 06:57.05 | freezer | where can i find usb suspend in the kernel config? |
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| 06:57.13 | jescis | p2 runs slower then my CPU |
| 06:57.54 | jescis | it's like comparing a p2 to a 386 |
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| 06:59.14 | jescis | or like when sega compared their genesis to the original NES |
| 06:59.51 | mhymn | enouf: would you mind if i ask you a question? |
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| 07:00.32 | enouf | is it going to irritate me further? |
| 07:01.09 | mhymn | no, i dont think so, im not sure though :) |
| 07:02.16 | mhymn | waiting for enouf permission to ask him! |
| 07:02.40 | jescis | pokes enouf |
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| 07:03.39 | enouf | mhymn: what? |
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| 07:03.50 | enouf | just ask already |
| 07:03.57 | mhymn | enouf: if you had a core 2 due for example, would you still stick to apps you use now? like links2 instead of konq? |
| 07:04.05 | enouf | yes |
| 07:04.13 | mhymn | ok, ty |
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| 07:04.35 | enouf | i try to promote in what i believe in and not be a hypocrit |
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| 07:05.04 | enouf | i do not believe in the concept of the DE - not the way it's being defined anyway |
| 07:05.20 | enouf | mhymn: understand better? |
| 07:05.22 | jescis | DE? |
| 07:05.31 | enouf | Desktop Env |
| 07:05.38 | enouf | sheesh |
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| 07:05.53 | mhymn | enouf: yeah, very well ;) |
| 07:05.54 | enouf | where do you people come from .. :-p |
| 07:06.22 | Lagbolt | enouf, "you people?" :-p |
| 07:06.29 | enouf | heh |
| 07:06.37 | jescis | I just never seen that abreviation :/ |
| 07:06.48 | enouf | it's the DE in KDE |
| 07:06.48 | Lagbolt | enouf, what WM do you use? |
| 07:06.53 | enouf | kwin |
| 07:07.02 | enouf | why? it's unobtrusive |
| 07:07.07 | Lagbolt | use kde? |
| 07:07.09 | enouf | and doesn't get in my way |
| 07:07.15 | enouf | it's sitting there - yes |
| 07:07.19 | Lagbolt | or just kwin |
| 07:07.27 | enouf | Lagbolt: no, 3 apps i use |
| 07:07.29 | enouf | only |
| 07:07.33 | Lagbolt | yeah? what 3? |
| 07:07.43 | enouf | but i left the old orig install there |
| 07:07.48 | enouf | yep |
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| 07:08.06 | enouf | i mentioned themn earlier to Nyle |
| 07:08.12 | Lagbolt | scrolling back |
| 07:08.23 | enouf | but the little school girl ran away now |
| 07:08.37 | enouf | :-P |
| 07:08.47 | Lagbolt | klipper eh |
| 07:08.55 | enouf | konsole, klipper, ksirc |
| 07:09.07 | Lagbolt | no browser? |
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| 07:09.14 | enouf | links2 -g |
| 07:09.22 | enouf | i said 3 .. from kde |
| 07:09.29 | Lagbolt | ah gotcha |
| 07:09.33 | enouf | that need, come friom there |
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| 07:10.23 | jescis | irssi is better |
| 07:10.36 | enouf | tabs? |
| 07:10.43 | enouf | GUI? |
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| 07:10.45 | Lagbolt | cool, def think DE is overkill. installs so much. would bet more than 50% of the apps dont get used by the normal users |
| 07:10.46 | jescis | in a way |
| 07:10.49 | enouf | no, so stfu ;-) |
| 07:11.12 | jescis | it is still better |
| 07:11.29 | jescis | guis are for newbs |
| 07:11.42 | enouf | Lagbolt: 50% of the apps - and 90-95 of all the options that add to the bloat |
| 07:11.45 | cast|lir | you know whats better than a gui for a newb |
| 07:11.48 | jescis | or windows users |
| 07:12.01 | enouf | jescis: let's see your shell skills in action then |
| 07:12.04 | cast|lir | a fucking manual :o |
| 07:12.13 | mhymn | enouf: have you ever tested yakuake before? |
| 07:12.20 | enouf | mhymn: nope |
| 07:12.30 | mhymn | enouf: worth trying man |
| 07:12.42 | enouf | i can;t bring myself to try something that's named like UCockie |
| 07:12.54 | mhymn | heh |
| 07:12.59 | enouf | :-P |
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| 07:13.20 | enouf | i have many things on the list to 'try' |
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| 07:13.44 | pippoIT | I've installed a minimal debian lebby just now. Now I want install the desktop manager |
| 07:13.47 | enouf | but most of the time, i just need speed, and to get shit done, the info i want extracted from things |
| 07:14.02 | enouf | pippoIT: which one |
| 07:14.16 | pippoIT | I woulk like install kde 4. Is it possible? I'm not an expert and I'm looking for many suggest |
| 07:14.19 | enouf | pippoIT: /msg dpkg install <your DE> |
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| 07:14.30 | jescis | I might have a hard time with writing scripts and things but I still can use a tty. :p |
| 07:14.35 | enouf | i think it's beta still |
| 07:14.53 | enouf | !kde4 |
| 07:14.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
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| 07:15.44 | enouf | pippoIT: because you're new - i suggest you do /msg dpkg grounding |
| 07:15.44 | Lagbolt | yeah i installed kde4 in a chroot a while back. had to use a lot of experimental. |
| 07:15.52 | enouf | in your irc client pippoIT |
| 07:16.14 | enouf | !tell pippoIT -about msg the bot |
| 07:16.41 | mhymn | enouf: btw, imho i think yakuake will improve your speed and productivity brother |
| 07:17.15 | enouf | mhymn: i have enough speed - someone was arguing how one particular app was NOT bloated - i proved them wrong is all |
| 07:17.45 | jescis | enouf, also I've installed DirectFB from source :o |
| 07:17.50 | enouf | !penixstrike Nyle |
| 07:17.50 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Nyle to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 07:18.22 | enouf | jescis: good, now you can use links2 -g (GUI mode) in Console |
| 07:18.38 | jescis | still can't :( |
| 07:18.50 | enouf | jescis: sure you can |
| 07:18.54 | enouf | i do all the time |
| 07:19.14 | jescis | without a /dev/fb0? |
| 07:19.17 | enouf | jescis: try it as root first - if thaty works read /usr/share/doc/links2/README.Debian |
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| 07:19.33 | enouf | why no /dev/fb0 |
| 07:19.40 | enouf | what kind of POS is that? |
| 07:19.51 | enouf | i'm using vesa ffs |
| 07:20.00 | jescis | it's never there when I install debian :( |
| 07:20.01 | cast|lir | does this sound like a good plan for batch adding of users |
| 07:20.12 | enouf | jescis: ... |
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| 07:20.37 | enouf | jescis: is this debian or DSL or ubuntu |
| 07:20.52 | jescis | debian 4.0r3 |
| 07:21.12 | cast|lir | thinks |
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| 07:21.28 | enouf | jescis: pastebin entire contents of /var/log/dmesg |
| 07:21.28 | jescis | there's a distro DSL? o.0 |
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| 07:21.42 | enouf | !dsl |
| 07:21.43 | dpkg | [dsl] Digital Subscriber Line, the wonder technology the telcos will nevertheless find a way to turn into a con, or better than cable. http://www.dslreports.com or Damn Small Linux, http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/, or for Damn Small Linux related questions, see #damnsmalllinux @ irc.freenode.net (ask me about <based on debian>) |
| 07:22.15 | jescis | enouf, I have dsl then |
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| 07:22.21 | enouf | hahaha |
| 07:22.32 | enouf | !pal jescis |
| 07:22.32 | dpkg | points at jescis and laughs hysterically |
| 07:22.35 | cast|lir | generating md5 passwd hashes for use with useradd, suggestions? :) |
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| 07:23.06 | enouf | pwgen? |
| 07:23.11 | cast|lir | looks |
| 07:23.30 | jescis | enouf, I chose dsl over cable |
| 07:23.36 | cast|lir | ahh |
| 07:23.47 | cast|lir | i mean, converting passwds to md5 passwd hashes :) |
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| 07:24.38 | enouf | yeah, i dunno offhand cast|lir ,, i'm sure er ,, openssl has a md45 function |
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| 07:25.47 | owen1 | do i need to reebot after upgrading to lenny. |
| 07:26.08 | pippoIT | !pippoIT |
| 07:26.50 | enouf | cast|lir: maybe? ~$ apt-cache show otp |
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| 07:27.12 | cast|lir | im wanting to batch add users with useradd |
| 07:27.18 | enouf | owen1: if a new kernel was installed and you want to use it, yes |
| 07:27.33 | owen1 | enouf: cool |
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| 07:28.49 | cast|lir | im going to try to stick to already installed utilities |
| 07:28.58 | owen1 | enouf: how do i know if i got a new kernel? |
| 07:29.00 | cast|lir | one option i have is to run useradd without specifing a passwd hash |
| 07:29.11 | cast|lir | then run echo username:passwd|chpasswd -m |
| 07:29.27 | enouf | owen1: it should tell you ;-) |
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| 07:29.51 | enouf | owen1: if you went from Etch -> Lenny you did |
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| 07:30.15 | owen1 | enouf: yeah |
| 07:30.33 | enouf | owen1: didn't a kernel installation procedure ensue? |
| 07:30.35 | enouf | lmao |
| 07:31.00 | enouf | it'll install, but you won't be using it till you reboot into it |
| 07:31.05 | owen1 | enouf: not that i know of. |
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| 07:31.33 | enouf | owen1: unless you had a backports.org kernel prior? |
| 07:31.45 | enouf | or maybe etchnhalf? or kmuto? |
| 07:31.59 | owen1 | enouf: i had a backport line in my sources. |
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| 07:33.04 | enouf | owen1: pastebin output of ls -l /boot |
| 07:33.45 | Lagbolt | when i use make-kpkg to build kernel_image and kernel_headers it ends up putting symlinks to the source dir in the image package so i dont need headers. however if i want to install a this on another machine it has issues and the headers package doesnt put the build symlinks in correctly. is there a problem with make-kpgk now? |
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| 07:34.17 | Lagbolt | using make-kpkg from lenny . . .btw |
| 07:34.21 | owen1 | enouf: http://pastebin.com/d42a1815f |
| 07:34.56 | deconvolution | Lagbolt, fakeroot? |
| 07:35.53 | Lagbolt | deconvolution, i havent used fakeroot in the past. does that make a sig difference? |
| 07:36.18 | deconvolution | Lagbolt, so try fakeroot make-kpkg kernel_image |
| 07:36.27 | Lagbolt | deconvolution, will do |
| 07:36.54 | cast|lir | grub-md5-crypt seems to be the go for generating hashes |
| 07:37.01 | deconvolution | Lagbolt, I always use fakeroot, it works fine for me. |
| 07:37.09 | enouf | owen1: er => 12. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1484448 2008-07-18 13:21 vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-686 <== why is that dated 7/18 ? |
| 07:37.12 | Lagbolt | ok i will try it out |
| 07:38.00 | enouf | and yet 6. -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6232855 2008-07-31 23:32 initrd.img-2.6.25-2-686 and the .bak are today |
| 07:38.28 | enouf | or yesterday, depending on GPS :-P |
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| 07:40.23 | owen1 | enouf: i don't understand what u r talking about..can u explain it please? |
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| 07:45.02 | jescis | enouf, my dmesg file: http://pastebin.ca/1089401 |
| 07:45.33 | enouf | owen1: when did you upgrade from etch to lenny? |
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| 07:46.03 | owen1 | enouf: today. at least i thought so. |
| 07:46.07 | enouf | owen1: and do you recall the kernel version you were running prior? |
| 07:46.26 | owen1 | no |
| 07:46.46 | owen1 | enouf: what's my current? |
| 07:47.08 | enouf | owen1: do uname -r |
| 07:48.13 | owen1 | enouf: 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 07:48.19 | Zeroyez | 2.6.24-1-686 kernel headers, how do I get em? |
| 07:48.50 | Zeroyez | they're not listed in synaptics :( |
| 07:49.04 | cydork | Zeroyez: using lenny? |
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| 07:49.10 | Zeroyez | yes |
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| 07:49.21 | cydork | Zeroyez: lenny has 2.6.25 now so upgrade to that.. |
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| 07:49.38 | Zeroyez | can you tell me how to upgrade the kernel please? |
| 07:49.47 | aleksanteri | hey, i just installed kde4 on debian lenny/sid and now when i boot up kdm it says it can't find the desktop theme. what package could contain this? |
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| 07:50.49 | enouf | jescis: ok, no Vesa loading yet- now, try this; edit /boot/grub/menu.lst to say this in your line for Kernel root=/dev/hda1 ro vga=791 <== note, tell me your Display and general resolution you use |
| 07:51.08 | owen1 | enouf: is it ok? should i upgrade again or something? |
| 07:51.22 | cydork | Zeroyez: aptitude search for linux-image-2.6.25 and install -686 package |
| 07:51.24 | enouf | owen1: you should reboot |
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| 07:51.51 | owen1 | enouf: ok. and than my kernel will be different? |
| 07:52.31 | enouf | owen1: yes, it should be - make sure you choose the new one in the grub Menu that appears |
| 07:52.42 | enouf | owen1: the .25 one |
| 07:52.49 | owen1 | ok. thanks |
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| 07:52.59 | enouf | owen1: yo |
| 07:53.07 | Zeroyez | ok |
| 07:53.32 | enouf | hit any key to stop the auto boot so fast - alter timeout value to say 20 or 30 if you like |
| 07:53.36 | enouf | owen1: ^^^^^^ |
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| 07:54.11 | enouf | owen1: the timeout is defined in /boot/grub/menu.lst file |
| 07:54.46 | Zeroyez | oh it was already installed i just needed to reboot |
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| 07:55.31 | enouf | jescis: vga=791 equates to 1024x768 at 16bits |
| 07:55.38 | arooni________a | how can i make sure privoxy (/etc/init.d/privoxy start) is always run on system startup (debian etch) |
| 07:55.58 | enouf | arooni________a: install rcconf |
| 07:56.15 | enouf | arooni________a: run update-rcconf-guide |
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| 07:56.24 | enouf | then as root or sudo, fire it up |
| 07:56.51 | jigp | wow |
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| 07:57.00 | jigp | you still alive enouf.great power... |
| 07:57.00 | enouf | ? |
| 07:57.14 | jigp | comes great debian responsibility |
| 07:57.15 | enouf | !aretha |
| 07:57.47 | enouf | i'm just the overnight janitor |
| 07:57.50 | enouf | :-P |
| 07:57.53 | dimir | wtf nick |
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| 07:58.44 | enouf | arooni________a: use the spacebar to tick the apps you want to load at boot, and untick the ones you do not want at boot time |
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| 07:58.53 | jigp | hehe enouf |
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| 07:59.14 | enouf | arooni________a: up/down arrows move around - tab key jumps fields |
| 07:59.44 | enouf | arooni________a: and your tail is annoying - cut it off |
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| 08:00.11 | dimir | Much better. |
| 08:00.11 | enouf | about time arooni ;-) |
| 08:00.16 | arooni | ;p |
| 08:00.22 | dimir | \o/ |
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| 08:00.28 | arooni | for some reason i get disconnected from irc and then it claims my nick is still in use |
| 08:00.31 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 08:00.31 | dpkg | [\o/] w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 08:01.18 | dimir | That's right! :-D |
| 08:01.18 | Dewi | dpkg: you've changed |
| 08:01.19 | dpkg | Dewi: I give up, what is it? |
| 08:02.12 | enouf | dpkg \o/ is also Touchdown! or Field Goal! .. or just GOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaLLLLLlllllllllllllllll |
| 08:02.12 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 08:02.15 | arooni | enouf, privoxy alwready shows as selected |
| 08:02.16 | enouf | :-P |
| 08:02.43 | enouf | arooni: so, it'll load then |
| 08:02.53 | arooni | hmm i am curious why it wasnt running |
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| 08:03.05 | enouf | you stopped it? |
| 08:03.09 | enouf | ps aux |
| 08:03.23 | arooni | i didnt stop it |
| 08:03.34 | enouf | then you never started it? |
| 08:03.39 | cydork | !useless factoid |
| 08:03.39 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a Ubuntu user, or any factoid concerning factoids |
| 08:03.58 | enouf | hey, i just add useless things to them ;-P |
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| 08:04.56 | Knight_Lord | What would be the best language to use to communicate using WSDL and SOAP? |
| 08:04.58 | cast|lir | while i can use grub-md5-crypt to generate passwds, i don't know how to use it in my script and capture the output :\ |
| 08:05.07 | enouf | dpkg no, \o/ is [\o/] w00t! O_o cool \\o// oh joy! Yippie! |
| 08:05.08 | dpkg | okay, enouf |
| 08:05.28 | cydork | Knight_Lord: wrong channel? |
| 08:05.34 | kmeyer | Knight_Lord: English. |
| 08:06.33 | cydork | Knight_Lord: and also there is no *best* language.. |
| 08:06.38 | enouf | cast|lir: man openssl -- see passwd Generation of hashed passwords. |
| 08:06.39 | Knight_Lord | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Services_Description_Language |
| 08:06.44 | Knight_Lord | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SOAP |
| 08:07.01 | Knight_Lord | I was thinking using perl, but i was wondering if there is anything more convenient |
| 08:07.37 | cydork | Knight_Lord: use anything that you know well.. perl can handle it. |
| 08:07.38 | peppe | Knight_Lord: of course all depends on what you have to do |
| 08:07.47 | peppe | and what languages do you know better |
| 08:08.12 | Knight_Lord | I guess Java would probably the natural choice |
| 08:08.19 | cydork | cast|lir: i would go with chpasswd .. |
| 08:08.20 | Knight_Lord | probably be* |
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| 08:09.03 | Corwin | Java is the natural choice.. Just like Vista is the natural choice. |
| 08:09.13 | peppe | Corwin: LOL |
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| 08:10.22 | freezer | :) |
| 08:10.37 | enouf | jescis: "egrep 'vesa|fb0' /var/log/dmesg" |
| 08:10.37 | enouf | Your paste URL is: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1089428 |
| 08:10.43 | enouf | jescis: is mine |
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| 08:11.13 | enouf | root=/dev/hdc1 ro vga=791 is mine |
| 08:11.28 | freezer | i it? |
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| 08:12.41 | enouf | cydork: nice (chpasswd) |
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| 08:13.29 | Corwin | Knight_Lord: My opnion would be C or php, but you know the saying about opinions. |
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| 08:14.54 | mhymn | A GIFT TO ALL DEBIAN USERS HERE: http://picpaste.com/Cyclone_Catarina_from_the_ISS_on_March_26_2004.JPG |
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| 08:14.59 | mhymn | ;-) |
| 08:15.33 | OpenTokix | mhymn: thats the feeling a fedorauser has when first using debian =) |
| 08:15.53 | mhymn | HEH |
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| 08:16.47 | Lagbolt | OpenTokix, the feeling of bliss? ;) |
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| 08:18.40 | OpenTokix | Lagbolt: aye |
| 08:19.24 | Corwin | The bliss only comes after the pain of realizing what they've been using fades away |
| 08:21.41 | Lagbolt | lol |
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| 08:29.15 | Dewi | mhymn: I can't believe the ISS is violating our trademark! |
| 08:29.20 | Dewi | mhymn: somebody get the lawyers on the phone! |
| 08:29.46 | mhymn | Dewi: :D |
| 08:30.02 | Dewi | mhymn: I bet those slimy bastards will shift the blame onto God or something |
| 08:30.14 | Dewi | mhymn: (he's expensive to sue) |
| 08:30.55 | Corwin | Yes, but you can count on a default judgement against him when he fails to show up in court |
| 08:30.59 | mhymn | Dewi: yeah, probably! |
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| 08:32.23 | Dewi | Quentusrex: No. |
| 08:32.38 | Dewi | * Actual amount of hope subject to regional variation |
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| 08:34.54 | peppe | Quentusrex: with which error? did you try vobcopy -m ? |
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| 08:35.29 | Anon1235 | anyone know how to edit the instructions at the bottom of the grub bootloader. Can anyone tell me where the file is located. you can't edit in in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:35.45 | zmotok | any of you guys notice the transition from klaptopdaemon to kpowersave? kpowersave has more options i find the only thing is it doesn't suspend/hibernate my laptop while klaptopdaemon does; any ideas why? |
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| 08:35.59 | petemc | Anon1235: you can indeed edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:36.02 | peppe | Anon1235: at the bottom? which ones? |
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| 08:37.13 | Anon1235 | the "e" to edit or "c" for console instructions that come after the instructions on how to choice an operating system from the menu above. |
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| 08:38.46 | Dewi | Anon1235: don't you need to recompile anyway to change those keys? |
| 08:39.15 | Anon1235 | I don't want to change the keys, I just want to edit the text |
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| 08:39.27 | debCarlos | Hi, i have a doubyt.... i'm going to install debian lenny in my hp pavilion dv2000 laptop.. should i disable acpi? And should i pass other additional argument to the kernel? |
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| 08:40.14 | Dewi | Anon1235: if it's not in the menu file, it's probably directly compiled in |
| 08:41.08 | Anon1235 | I looked at the source code and I could not find the text as it is written in the boot loader. I was careful with this and it ain't there. |
| 08:41.41 | Anon1235 | I thinking that maybe the compilers really don't want you to screw with this |
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| 08:42.28 | Anon1235 | The next release of Grub has a new GUI and they have done away with the instructions and have replaced them with field keys. |
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| 08:43.01 | Anon1235 | It looks like a boot splash .........real smooth and clean |
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| 08:43.50 | Corwin | Anon1235: Are you sure this is a good thing? |
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| 08:44.14 | Anon1235 | The new edits...? |
| 08:44.25 | Anon1235 | Yeah, they look good to me. |
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| 08:45.13 | Corwin | ok, what you described seemed kind of scary. |
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| 08:46.23 | Anon1235 | Well the field keys do the same thing as the E key or the C key |
| 08:46.50 | Anon1235 | You can still reach the console and edit the screen with the field keys |
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| 08:47.17 | Corwin | I keep my keys on my desk, and I live in a city. No fields to put keys in sight anywhere |
| 08:47.50 | Corwin | I just know that at a grub prompt it's like a mini command shell |
| 08:47.57 | Anon1235 | Give it time, with linux anything is possiable |
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| 08:48.28 | Corwin | with time, everything will be reality |
| 08:48.38 | Corwin | especially in open source |
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| 08:48.57 | Anon1235 | I might be able to edit the boot loader at the boot prompt, I just don't know how. |
| 08:49.21 | Corwin | What are you trying to so anyway? |
| 08:49.36 | Corwin | to do... Maybe my keys are in a field somewhere... |
| 08:49.52 | Anon1235 | I just want to remove the text from the bottom of the boot loader |
| 08:50.09 | Corwin | kiosk machine or something? |
| 08:50.25 | Anon1235 | I want to know why you can't edit it from /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:51.01 | Anon1235 | Everything is right there in menu.lst execpt these instructions at the bottom |
| 08:51.16 | Corwin | So that's just an option missing from the menu.lst config file? |
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| 08:52.50 | Anon1235 | No it's not missing, it just stops with the kernel edits or what you see inside the box of the boot loader |
| 08:53.18 | Anon1235 | The so called "Automagic" |
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| 08:53.46 | Corwin | don't really know... I've changed a few boot options around... that about my limit to grub experience. I like it better than Lilo |
| 08:53.49 | jelly-home | Anon1235: care to quote that text? |
| 08:54.13 | Anon1235 | quote what text ? |
| 08:54.49 | jelly-home | Anon1235: the one you want to replace |
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| 08:55.12 | jelly-home | Anon1235: is it "Press 'b' to boot, 'e' to edit the selected command [...]"? |
| 08:55.16 | peppe | Anon1235: the strings you're looking for are those in /usr/lib/grub/i386-pc/stage2 ? |
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| 08:56.18 | jelly-home | Anon1235: because if it is, it's in the source all right. |
| 08:56.48 | Anon1235 | At the bottom you see the instructions to use the arrow keys to select the highlighted operating system or chose e to edit or c for the console. I want to drop the e to edit or c for the console line. |
| 08:57.07 | jelly-home | Anon1235: vi +311 stage2/stage2.c |
| 08:57.28 | peppe | Anon1235: ok, look in stage2 |
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| 08:58.16 | Anon1235 | Hold that thought and let me move to another computer |
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| 08:58.52 | jelly-home | wonders how did he go about <Anon1235> I looked at the source code and I could not find the text as it is written in the boot loader. I was careful with this and it ain't there. |
| 08:59.05 | Alagar | this is the search engine like google |
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| 09:02.22 | jescis | Alagar, is your statement a question or a comment? |
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| 09:03.45 | Alagar | jescis, this is my comments |
| 09:04.21 | jescis | Freeware and freedom of choice forever!!ah, I couldn't tell :| |
| 09:05.18 | Anon1235 | Jelly-home I GOT IT !!!! |
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| 09:05.48 | Anon1235 | Thank you very very much. This ends a four day search. |
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| 09:06.01 | Anon1235 | The trick was to vi stage 2 |
| 09:07.32 | Anon1235 | I was trying everything, nano this, gedit that, pico over here and all for not!! |
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| 09:07.44 | ilf | since the apt-get upgrade on sid today i get "Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()" error messages from cron "if [ -x /usr/bin/munin-cron ]; then /usr/bin/munin-cron; fi". but munin-cron wasn't touched in the upgrade. also, running it by hand doesn't result in that error. any idea? |
| 09:07.48 | jelly-home | Anon1235: you really want to learn about grep |
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| 09:08.08 | Anon1235 | Yes |
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| 09:10.54 | jelly-home | Anon1235: cd grub-0.97; grep -r -i 'to edit' . |
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| 09:12.48 | Anon1235 | Thank you jelly |
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| 09:13.02 | enouf | Anon1235: found it ;-0 strings /boot/grub/stage2 | less |
| 09:13.44 | enouf | Anon1235: it's at the very end |
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| 09:13.59 | Anon1235 | Thanks enouf |
| 09:14.10 | gladideg | I'm looking for a secure ftp server, with sfv-crc check and virtual users... any suggestions? |
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| 09:14.18 | voraistos1 | Hi. there is a probalem, i think, with lenny's repo |
| 09:14.49 | voraistos1 | i find it weird thatthe mozilla swfdec plugin is part of the package gnome |
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| 09:15.29 | voraistos1 | and that swfdeclib or whatever is part of gnome-desktop-environment |
| 09:16.25 | voraistos1 | by part of the package, i mean, a "dependency" of the metapackages i mentioned |
| 09:16.35 | Corwin | gladideg: ftp is a rather outdated protocol, do you have to have it or do you mearly need to move files around? |
| 09:17.19 | Lycurgus | there doesn't seem to be a way to install (into a working installation) broad classes such as "devel" or even whole packages such as "gtk" without knowing some magic app that has all the dependencies |
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| 09:17.32 | Dans34 | ftp://88.110.207.201/ |
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| 09:17.36 | Lycurgus | did I miss something? |
| 09:17.51 | Lycurgus | (talking about etch stable) |
| 09:17.52 | voraistos1 | also, why is "more" part of the core install instead of "less" ? |
| 09:18.07 | voraistos1 | to get more out of your man you need less. |
| 09:18.21 | Corwin | sometimes less is more |
| 09:18.26 | voraistos1 | damn im lagging pretty bad |
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| 09:22.18 | themill | Lycurgus: there are packages like kdesdk, but I don't know what the equivalent for gtk or gnome is. |
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| 09:23.24 | spacix | I have got a command, cat filename, where I would like to strip some results of 14:00 <nick> ; How can I do this? |
| 09:23.50 | peppe | Lycurgus: you really *don't* want to install every -dev package, install just what you need to develop your applicaiton |
| 09:24.01 | Lycurgus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.49 | Lycurgus | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:24.57 | Lycurgus | *to |
| 09:25.09 | Lycurgus | s/*to// |
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| 09:25.19 | snakeAs | hi |
| 09:25.30 | Lycurgus | (oder gtk-devel) |
| 09:25.35 | peppe | Lycurgus: apt-cache search libgtk -- libgtk2.0 and libgtk2.0-dev, probably |
| 09:25.56 | themill | Lycurgus: check that there isn't a task for this in tasksel's data. |
| 09:25.59 | peppe | spacix: "some results"? |
| 09:26.03 | Lycurgus | "prolly" that's the fucked up part. |
| 09:26.18 | peppe | Lycurgus: why? |
| 09:26.37 | peppe | are you trying to compile something that needs other libraries too? |
| 09:26.51 | themill | Lycurgus: Since you feel strongly about this, you might also consider filing a wishlist bug or two for this. That way things might change. (Hint: complaining to us seldom gets things fixed in Debian itself.) |
| 09:26.55 | voraistos1 | I have to say, lenny is going to be amazing. The beta2, so far, is the best distro i ever had for my laptop. Better than ubuntu, no joking. I only had to create a libz.so symlink to have the gnome benchmark thing work. |
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| 09:27.14 | Lycurgus | naw, I'll just adapt. |
| 09:27.44 | themill | spacix: grep -v is probably what you are looking for |
| 09:27.57 | Lycurgus | seems, like ought to at least be able to get the stuff for graphical config of current kernels with no more than 6 apt-gets |
| 09:28.18 | spacix | lets say |
| 09:28.21 | spacix | sed -n "2,13p" does echo a file line 2 till 13 |
| 09:28.23 | spacix | from those 11 lines I would like to remove the first hh:mm <nick> chars |
| 09:28.33 | peppe | voraistos1: don't do that! report bugs instead, so things get fixed |
| 09:28.43 | Lycurgus | i understand shortcomings in debian are the reason for ubuntu and the like, just want to make sure I properly understand |
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| 09:29.13 | peppe | spacix: cat file | perl -pe 's/^\d\d:\d\d \<\w+\>//' ? |
| 09:29.33 | peppe | or somthing like that |
| 09:29.44 | themill | dpkg: tell Lycurgus about kernel build-deps |
| 09:29.46 | Lycurgus | (apt-get, aptitude, or whatever) |
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| 09:30.13 | Crypticfortune | Hmm, gnome used to automatically mount my USB memory stick when i inserted it, but doesn't anymore (since i switched from a kind of old sid to current lenny). do i need to add some package or something to make that happen for lenny? |
| 09:30.53 | themill | Crypticfortune: /msg dpkg automount but I don't know that anything has changed. Does this problem persist across reboots? |
| 09:30.59 | spacix | peppe: ok |
| 09:31.18 | themill | !uuoc peppe |
| 09:31.18 | dpkg | hands peppe the "unnecessary use of cat" award |
| 09:31.19 | Lycurgus | (dpkg answered for the particular situation of the kernel) |
| 09:31.49 | peppe | themill: come on, I hadn't my coffee yet this morning |
| 09:31.55 | cydork | spacix: yes.. and you can always try it and see |
| 09:31.59 | themill | peppe: :) |
| 09:32.14 | Crypticfortune | themill: current mid-calculation, so can't reboot just yet. actually it may be that my USB memory stick died. hang on... |
| 09:32.25 | voraistos1 | peppe, its not a bug, its a feature: prevents useless apps (i mean we dont need benchamrking when we know we have the best we could possibly have) from abusing libraries :D |
| 09:35.13 | Crypticfortune | themill: nope, USB memory stick is alive and well. mounting manually worked. and i do (still) have gnome-volume-manager+pmount installed, and am still a member of plugdev....hmms... |
| 09:35.51 | themill | Crypticfortune: if hal or some of the other deep voodoo gets upgraded while you are logged in, these sorts of things often break. |
| 09:36.54 | Crypticfortune | themill: that could be...calculation's only half way done. we'll see what happens when i can reboot. thanks though |
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| 09:37.21 | themill | Crypticfortune: yeah, it's not the sort of thing that is worth interrupting other things for |
| 09:37.24 | Trewas | I wondered a while ago why usb-sticks don't automount anymore and it turned out that was caused because hal had died probably because of some upgrade |
| 09:37.57 | dustybin | when will lenny be frozen? |
| 09:38.08 | themill | !lenny status |
| 09:38.09 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html |
| 09:38.11 | Crypticfortune | nah, hald is alive and well, and is apparently polling my usb stick... |
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| 09:38.23 | dustybin | wow its already frozen!? |
| 09:38.34 | dustybin | time for a apt-get update |
| 09:38.39 | zorrolero | Anon1235: which lines did you delete in /boot/grub/stage2? |
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| 09:38.46 | lil_cain | anyone know if there's a dpkg/apt equivalent of rpm -V? |
| 09:39.00 | lil_cain | (verify checksums of all installed packages) |
| 09:39.15 | Crypticfortune | lil_cain: ahh thanks, didn't know what rpm -V did. check out debsums |
| 09:39.25 | themill | dpkg: tell lil_cain about debsums |
| 09:39.55 | lil_cain | ah, cool, thanks |
| 09:40.16 | voraistos1 | i thought it was already |
| 09:40.33 | themill | Crypticfortune: hal might be polling, but is anything listening to its messages? (that's often where the problem lies) |
| 09:40.45 | dustybin | debian is the best binary based distribution out there IMO |
| 09:41.12 | voraistos1 | dustybin i agree |
| 09:41.20 | dustybin | debians package management system kicks ass, nothing else can compare with it |
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| 09:41.33 | voraistos1 | I am amazed at how bleeding edge lenny as a desktop is. |
| 09:42.05 | dustybin | well i wouldnt say debian would make a great bleeding edge desktop, but it does make a stable, solid and reliable desktop, as it does server |
| 09:42.22 | OpenTokix | dustybin: just run unstable? |
| 09:42.26 | voraistos1 | I feel usually things feel "older". Lenny surpasses the latest ubuntu LTS by far. |
| 09:42.39 | dustybin | aye |
| 09:42.50 | themill | I'll take reliability over shiny new shit any day. |
| 09:42.56 | Trewas | lenny has only gnome 2.20 (with some parts of 2.22), I wouldn't call that bleeding edge desktop :) |
| 09:42.57 | OpenTokix | themill: aye |
| 09:43.17 | Crypticfortune | this opens up a major can of worms, but it seems like freebsd has been staying slightly ahead of debian unstable for a while now.... |
| 09:43.25 | OpenTokix | If you want bleeding edge just runt ubu^Wunstable! |
| 09:43.36 | themill | Trewas: when gnome 2.22 works, it will go into testing. Until them, it stays out, just like KDE4. |
| 09:43.47 | Corwin | dustybin: I've been quite happy running testing for a desktop for half a decade now... |
| 09:43.50 | lil_cain | KDE5.1 is good. |
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| 09:44.00 | lil_cain | s/5/4 |
| 09:44.01 | OpenTokix | nice that you discuss desktop managers =) |
| 09:44.02 | Corwin | lil_cain: Now that sounds beta |
| 09:44.02 | voraistos1 | dustybin: too much blood can only draw more blood. the latest of the latest is the best imho. Lenny does the job ubuntu does, but without the lower quality tools ubuntu comes with. |
| 09:44.03 | dustybin | what will the next codename after lenny be called? |
| 09:44.04 | OpenTokix | who cares =) |
| 09:44.23 | voraistos1 | is NOT the best* |
| 09:44.27 | Corwin | mangy monkey |
| 09:44.30 | OpenTokix | only problem Ive had with debian etch is to boot systems of hw-raid1 arc-1200 card |
| 09:44.32 | dustybin | voraistos1: i agree |
| 09:44.48 | dustybin | Corwin: mangy monkey? seriously? |
| 09:44.50 | themill | dustybin: lenny+1's name is not decided yet. The release manager will announce it shortly though. |
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| 09:44.56 | dustybin | aye ok |
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| 09:45.07 | OpenTokix | I think it will be buzz |
| 09:45.13 | Trewas | themill: yeah, I guess the reason for old gnome is that 2.22 uses gvfs which is somewhat broken/incomplete |
| 09:45.18 | themill | yep |
| 09:45.20 | OpenTokix | You heard it here first! |
| 09:45.25 | Corwin | dustybin: I figure my guess is just as qualified as the monkey that actually comes up with their names |
| 09:45.38 | dustybin | ive always looked around to see what other distros i could use for my home server, but there isnt anything else worth using for my particular needs |
| 09:45.40 | themill | OpenTokix: buzz is gone |
| 09:45.53 | clusty | i am having a box that acts as a router/dns server. i am stuck at getting the dns to work |
| 09:45.57 | themill | !release history |
| 09:45.57 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 09:45.58 | OpenTokix | http://lh5.ggpht.com/_bveoPSM91_Q/R0UP4CdP66I/AAAAAAAAJJM/jMsEbCdRFjo/lennyey2.jpg |
| 09:46.05 | OpenTokix | themill: it is? |
| 09:46.19 | Corwin | I tried hard herion for a few months. I hate their stupid release cycles. With Debian I can run testing and be happy ever after |
| 09:46.22 | themill | OpenTokix: see dpkg's last factoid |
| 09:46.33 | themill | OpenTokix: You're 12 years too late for buzz. |
| 09:46.34 | dustybin | clusty: im in the process of building a little firewall/router box what will run bsd based 'pfsense' |
| 09:46.51 | OpenTokix | themill: ok |
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| 09:47.02 | clusty | dustybin, not familiar with that. what is it? |
| 09:47.18 | Corwin | pfsense supports multi-WAN |
| 09:47.25 | dustybin | clusty: its a f0rk of m0n0wall: http://www.pfsense.com/ |
| 09:47.46 | Corwin | I'm looking at putting it on a low power mini-ITX board |
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| 09:48.17 | dustybin | Corwin: the alix boards are wall suited: http://www.pcengines.ch/alix2.htm |
| 09:48.21 | dustybin | well |
| 09:48.46 | clusty | dustybin, looks funky |
| 09:48.46 | Corwin | dustybin: any clue if RTL8187 USB wifi adapters work on pfsense? I want to use 3 adapters in a multi-WAN configuration |
| 09:49.11 | clusty | dustybin, not really cool to switch to bsd. have too many services running on this linux |
| 09:49.13 | dustybin | Corwin: i dont think usb adpaters are supported at all, only pci / mini-pci |
| 09:49.16 | AKISHA | hello folks |
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| 09:49.28 | AKISHA | i have problem with lsmod: http://pastebin.com/m284ea3bb |
| 09:49.31 | AKISHA | what should i do ? |
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| 09:50.03 | Corwin | crap.... I've messed with routing tables and somewhat got multiple adapters somewhat working |
| 09:50.07 | Corwin | on linux |
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| 09:51.21 | Corwin | 1.x.x.x through 128.x.x.x route through wlan0, 129.x.x.x to 255.x.x.x route through wlan1. It a horrible hack, but it kind of works. |
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| 09:52.03 | Crypticfortune | Corwin: for doing load balancing? i think there's better way of doing that....? |
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| 09:52.49 | Corwin | Crypticfortune: probably, but I'm not a load balancing routing guru. I hacked something that allowed me to use both adapters at once. I am more than open for suggestions. |
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| 09:53.35 | jelly | Corwin: lartc.org? |
| 09:53.36 | Crypticfortune | Corwin: if you create a bond adapter, it should be able to do like at bare minimum round robbin on ips to load balance...have to check the docs on bonding to be sure |
| 09:54.02 | Corwin | Crypticfortune: not going to work with multiple ISPs |
| 09:54.03 | clusty | how can I tell what is the current dns server that is in use? |
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| 09:54.27 | jelly | Corwin: http://www.google.com/search?q=lartc.org+load+balancing |
| 09:55.02 | Corwin | jelly: cool, I was already googling latrc |
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| 09:56.24 | Corwin | jelly: sounds promising :) Thanks |
| 09:57.08 | Corwin | When I looked at it before on linux it seemed like to handle routing correctly required some kernel patches |
| 09:58.09 | jelly | ... like those linked on the lartc.org 4.2 page? |
| 09:58.23 | Corwin | probably ;) |
| 09:59.11 | Corwin | exactly, Julian Anastasov's patches |
| 10:00.33 | Corwin | I think I need to get a mini board and compile a kernel... |
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| 10:04.03 | cipherz | Hello, what determines if a package can be installed in a distribution, I know there is a field in the .changes file, but on the official debian rep, I cant seem to find the .changes files, are they just used to generate the Packages files, which then determines which versions of the packages which goes into stable,unstable and so on ? |
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| 10:09.16 | rati | How to regenerate locale? I have changed my locale in locale.gen file and I want to regenerate it |
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| 10:22.57 | EugenMayer | do i have to update / convert my containers when updating from truecrypt 4 to tc 6 ? |
| 10:24.12 | Kamping_Kaiser | wouldnt that be a truecrypt support question? |
| 10:25.02 | EugenMayer | sure, but i hoped you guys know about here, struggeled a bit installing TC under etch |
| 10:25.49 | petemc | there arent any debian packages, are there? |
| 10:26.13 | EugenMayer | no, there arent |
| 10:26.23 | EugenMayer | there are even ubuntu ones |
| 10:26.45 | petemc | do you know what license its released under? |
| 10:26.48 | EugenMayer | and there are like trillions howtows how to install under debian, but no packages. Quite suprise it did not make its way into the portage |
| 10:27.30 | themill | !truecrypt |
| 10:27.31 | dpkg | methinks truecrypt is a non-free (under DFSG's definitions) implementation of on-the-fly disk encryption that also attempts at plausible deniability, something not found in other OTFE systems like <EncFS> and <LUKS>. See http://www.truecrypt.org |
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| 10:31.58 | Corwin | is still trying to DL a youtube video enouf gave him a like to.. 5.5 hours ago |
| 10:32.07 | Corwin | link |
| 10:33.07 | amphi | Corwin: /lastlog ? |
| 10:33.59 | Corwin | amphi: not sure I getg the question |
| 10:35.27 | amphi | Corwin: /lastlog youtube will turn it up |
| 10:35.46 | amphi | Corwin: < enouf> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw |
| 10:36.47 | Corwin | amphi: wget has it at 34% downloaded. The link apparently timed out and I had to regenerate it and start over |
| 10:37.01 | amphi | ah |
| 10:37.04 | Corwin | I'm getting about 7K/s |
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| 10:40.01 | cipherz | you can wget it directly ? thought the way to rip youtube videos was to watch it, and find it in the tmp directory of your browser |
| 10:40.19 | themill | youtube-dl |
| 10:40.28 | wols | that's the "easy" way for linux |
| 10:40.29 | Corwin | enouf gave me a cool cli string to get it |
| 10:40.35 | wols | there are tons of vtube downloaders |
| 10:40.48 | themill | !info youtube-dl |
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| 10:40.53 | dpkg | youtube-dl: (download videos from youtube.com), section web, is extra. Version: 2008.03.22-1 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 28 kB |
| 10:41.05 | Corwin | echo \"http://www.youtube.com/get_video?video_id=$(wget -O - 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw' | grep fullscreenUrl | awk -F'video_id=' '{ print $2 }' | sed -e 's/ /_/g' | tr -d \; )\" |
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| 10:41.24 | Corwin | you can pipe that to mplayer if you;re fast enough... I'm not right now |
| 10:41.50 | themill | yeah, that's pretty much what youtube-dl does too... except it can also handle logging in with username/password etc too |
| 10:42.11 | Corwin | what videos require logging in? |
| 10:42.40 | themill | Corwin: ones that sweet innocent little things like you shouldn't know about :P |
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| 10:42.59 | cipherz | ok nice |
| 10:43.09 | Corwin | ah, I guess I've somehow never run into those on utube, it seems pretty g rated to me |
| 10:44.08 | enouf | afaik - youtube-dl is written in python |
| 10:44.22 | enouf | i d/l it once and looked at it |
| 10:44.31 | enouf | to try and get some ideas |
| 10:44.41 | themill | enouf: yeah, it is |
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| 10:46.41 | Corwin | is puzzled how themill knew through my tough guy disguise that I really am sweet and innocent |
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| 10:47.29 | themill | Corwin: after hanging around on #debian, you develop ESP-over-TCP/IP powers. (you have to) |
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| 10:47.41 | Corwin | themill: what's the RFC for that? |
| 10:48.03 | themill | Corwin: It's not yet standardised and there are many competing implementations |
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| 10:48.29 | napsy_ | Hello. I installed debian etch and now changed sources.list to experimental repository and did an update, but when I make dist-upgrade there are no changes. What's wrong? |
| 10:48.47 | Corwin | it's not as powerful as PoE |
| 10:48.54 | wols | themill: I rather devlope "kick ass over tcp/ip". it's WAY more satisfying and doesn't shorten my lifespan |
| 10:48.58 | wols | win-win |
| 10:49.11 | wols | napsy_: your use of experimental |
| 10:49.12 | cydork | napsy_: Don't ever do that.. |
| 10:49.18 | themill | wols: yes... lart-over-tcp/ip is also being worked on... |
| 10:49.24 | napsy_ | um? |
| 10:49.31 | themill | napsy_: experimental is not an upgrade |
| 10:49.35 | Corwin | Microsoft is working on get-ass-kicked over Ethernet |
| 10:49.44 | themill | dpkg: tell napsy_ about experimental |
| 10:49.47 | cydork | napsy_: experimental is not a complete repo.. |
| 10:49.52 | napsy_ | themill, how can I then get the gnome 2.22 packages? |
| 10:49.54 | wols | nah. it's long been patented by the BoFH. and you don't mess with the BoFH's patents. and you REALLY don't wanna know his royalty rates |
| 10:50.03 | cydork | !sns |
| 10:50.03 | dpkg | methinks sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shite Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
| 10:50.25 | Corwin | ooohh shiney!!! |
| 10:50.27 | napsy_ | can I even have gnome 2.22 on debian? |
| 10:50.42 | themill | napsy_: no. it's horribly broken and buggy |
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| 10:51.56 | cydork | dpes |
| 10:52.07 | Corwin | themill: but is it shiney? |
| 10:52.12 | cydork | blah lenny has gnome 2.22 |
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| 10:52.35 | Lagbolt | shiney? lol |
| 10:52.52 | themill | Corwin: I don't find gnome shiny at all... |
| 10:53.01 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 10:53.19 | Corwin | themill: Me neither, I perfer KDE or E17 |
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| 10:53.20 | enouf | Lagbolt: ever work out your make-kpkg issue? |
| 10:53.24 | Lagbolt | themill, its broken? on lenny? i have it on my desktop at home and it works |
| 10:53.46 | Lagbolt | enouf, no :( used fakeroot and still symlinks are there. i used to do this and it made nice stand alone packages |
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| 10:54.10 | Lagbolt | enouf, been googling around while working but nothing obvious yet |
| 10:54.35 | EugenMayer | anybody has a clue what truecrypt 5 needs to convert to be "perfomant" from the old 4 version? Or do i really have to create a new container and copy the files ? |
| 10:54.38 | enouf | Lagbolt: read teh docs in /usr/share/kernel-package |
| 10:55.28 | Lagbolt | yeah browsed thru that. i am doing exactly what i used to do and what it says in docs. unless i missed something. i didnt think doing kernel_image should build anything related to headers |
| 10:55.51 | enouf | file:///usr/share/kernel-package/pkg/source/postinst |
| 10:56.00 | enouf | not sure that applies, but |
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| 10:56.21 | Lagbolt | hmm i will read that |
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| 10:56.48 | themill | Lagbolt: much of gnome 2.22 is not in lenny. /msg dpkg gnome status |
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| 11:01.57 | enouf | Lagbolt: hrm, man make-kpkg - wonder if "binary-arch" option would make it more agnostic overall |
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| 11:03.24 | Lagbolt | hmm enouf maybe . . . i will have to give that a shot. |
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| 11:05.16 | Flakk | Hi people, I have a trouble with playing some of wmv files with totem. the message I got is that Video codec 'MS WMV 9 (win32)' is not handled. I guess I should install some more packages like "dvdlibcss" or smth. Could anybody tell me what should be installed? |
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| 11:06.04 | spacix | How can I limit the max lines a cat blabla | grep string returns? |
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| 11:06.33 | kll | head -n X |
| 11:06.37 | Corwin | Flakk: you need w64codecs (or 32) |
| 11:06.38 | kll | for the first X liens |
| 11:07.12 | Corwin | Flakk: also try gxine and mplayer |
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| 11:07.49 | Lagbolt | enouf, hmm there is a file /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.26/debian/linux-headers-2.6.26/DEBIAN/postinst that seems to play a role |
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| 11:09.01 | Lagbolt | binary-arch didnt help. shouldnt have i gues, it just runs kernel_image and headers |
| 11:09.07 | Flakk | corwin, thanx, trying |
| 11:09.31 | illio | Okay .. I'm used to FreeBSD, so bare with me.. I need to disable networking for mysql, so it isn't available externally in Debian.. in FreeBSD that would be done by adding 'mysql_args=" --skip-networking"' to /etc/rc.conf.. how is the equivalent done in Debian? |
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| 11:10.36 | enouf | ahh Lagbolt , i only have a /debian/linux-image-2.6.23-686/ cause i never needed to make rthe headers |
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| 11:11.01 | enouf | Lagbolt: also, i never build in /usr/src/.. |
| 11:11.07 | Corwin | illio: do you know if freebsd7.0 supports USB wifi? |
| 11:11.20 | Lagbolt | enouf, i tried building elsewhere, just changes the symlinks to point there. |
| 11:11.41 | Corwin | illio: the file is /etc/mysql/my.cnf |
| 11:11.43 | Lagbolt | what version of make-kpkg you using? |
| 11:11.58 | illio | Corwin, ehm.. with some chips they do.. but I can't give you list of which.. I got an atheros one working once.. |
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| 11:12.13 | illio | Corwin, thanks by the way.. |
| 11:12.19 | Corwin | illio: ok, cool, thanks for the info |
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| 11:12.34 | enouf | Lagbolt: figures - yeah - think i noticed it in my logs |
| 11:12.42 | Corwin | illio: you want bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:12.54 | illio | Corwin, okay.. and that'll do it? |
| 11:13.09 | Corwin | illio: sure will, mysql will then only listen to the localhost |
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| 11:14.19 | illio | Corwin, hmm that's odd.. It's set to 127.0.0.1 as you stated.. yet an nmap scan of the server shows it open and listening for connections? |
| 11:14.22 | McNulty | I'm having trouble getting PHP's pdo_sqlite module to install because 'phpize failed' - anyone know what would cause that? phpize binary is present |
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| 11:15.04 | Corwin | strange.. this is from the my.conf file: |
| 11:15.11 | Corwin | # Instead of skip-networking the default is now to listen only on |
| 11:15.17 | Corwin | # localhost which is more compatible and is not less secure. |
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| 11:16.38 | EugenMayer | how to temporally disable a drive of an array 1? ( to have a "backup" ) ? |
| 11:16.44 | Corwin | illio: you sure it's port 3306 thats open? |
| 11:17.07 | illio | Corwin, yeah.. it is.. |
| 11:17.10 | Corwin | EugenMayer: On ZFS I use the pull drive tray out technique |
| 11:17.41 | illio | Corwin, nmap results: http://pastebin.com/d2564104 |
| 11:17.52 | Corwin | illio: my desktop is running mysql and netstat is NOT showing port 3306 |
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| 11:18.05 | illio | Corwin, yeah.. very odd.. Hmm.. |
| 11:18.37 | Flakk | corwin: thanks, it works! |
| 11:18.43 | EugenMayer | mdadm --manage --set-faulty ? |
| 11:18.46 | illio | Corwin, when does mysql use the my.cnf file.. all the time right?.. it's not possible to start mysql without making it use that file right?.. because I believe I started it manually last time |
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| 11:19.23 | McNulty | illio - my.cnf is only read on startup though |
| 11:19.34 | Corwin | illio: there is a way to change the location I believe via cli.. try starting it via the rc.d scripts |
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| 11:20.00 | illio | Corwin, hmm perhaps that's the issue .. I'll just try restarting it with the rc.d scripts |
| 11:20.26 | hyper_ch | hmmm, are there any NAS still around onto which a debian can be installed? |
| 11:20.54 | Corwin | hyper_ch: Nexenta is more appropiate for a NAS |
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| 11:21.49 | hyper_ch | Corwin: well, I read about NSLU-2 with debian installed... but they are not produced/sold anymore... :) |
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| 11:22.31 | stoffell | hyper_ch: well, the HP DL180 is pretty cool |
| 11:22.42 | Corwin | hyper_ch: I almost bought one of those to play with... Most NAS units use Linux, but putting your own distro on is a problem... |
| 11:23.07 | hyper_ch | I just like debian(-based) systems very much ;) |
| 11:23.13 | Corwin | The NSLU-2's were really cheap too |
| 11:23.42 | hyper_ch | well, I want to build a low-power usage torrent box so I don't need to run my computer all the time |
| 11:23.43 | Corwin | hyper_ch: Nexenta is a debain based system (unnoficially) |
| 11:24.13 | hyper_ch | putting ssh-server and rtorrent on it ;) |
| 11:24.23 | jelly | Corwin: no, they're basing their repos off ubuntu now |
| 11:24.30 | petemc | hyper_ch: lots of work has been done on d-i recently to make it work on a few NAS devices, check debian-planet for more info |
| 11:24.46 | hyper_ch | petemc: what's d-i? |
| 11:24.47 | Corwin | jelly: but ubuntu in turn is based off of Debian :p |
| 11:24.52 | jelly | Corwin: dpkg based system != debian based |
| 11:24.52 | petemc | hyper_ch: debian installer |
| 11:25.05 | hyper_ch | petemc: ok :) |
| 11:25.18 | spacix | how to close split screen mode in 'screen' again? |
| 11:25.21 | spacix | does anyone know? |
| 11:26.06 | Corwin | jelly: I think at this point we're more into politics. We all agree that Debian is better than Ubuntu. Ubuntu does have a nice live CD / Installer though |
| 11:26.10 | hyper_ch | never used split screen... only cycling through them normally |
| 11:26.29 | hyper_ch | I don't agree that debian is better than ubuntu ;) |
| 11:26.37 | hyper_ch | as desktop I prefer ubuntu ;) |
| 11:26.46 | hyper_ch | well, rather the "k" version of it ;) |
| 11:27.17 | jelly | Corwin: nexenta is hardly a debian based system anyway; it's a whole different OS. |
| 11:27.43 | Corwin | hyper_ch: why? I ran kubuntu for a few months and switched back to debain. In debain I can run testing. In Ubuntu you have to play their release game which really, really sucks |
| 11:27.53 | jelly | !nexenta |
| 11:27.53 | dpkg | hmm... nexenta is an OpenSolaris distribution that uses Debian tools and packages. See http://www.gnusolaris.org/ |
| 11:28.07 | amphi | spacix: ctrrl-a X IIRC |
| 11:28.11 | hyper_ch | Corwin: ubuntu just works ;) and every half a year a new version ;) |
| 11:28.34 | wols | *cough* that "just works" is simply PR bullshit |
| 11:28.43 | Corwin | hyper_ch: I had more problems than with Debian. Stuff broke more often than testing |
| 11:29.11 | amphi | dist-upgrades apparently do not 'just work'; I see frequent advice to do a clean install rather than dist-upgrade |
| 11:29.15 | hyper_ch | Corwin: well, ever since I started on ubuntu all my hardware was recognized immediately.... debian had problems with webcam and wifi |
| 11:29.18 | abrotman | #ubuntu is down the alphabet |
| 11:29.20 | ProN00b | Corwin, theres a ubuntu+1 |
| 11:29.26 | Corwin | jelly: I've been running Nexenta for over a year for my file server |
| 11:29.28 | amphi | heh |
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| 11:30.25 | Corwin | amphi: I ran debian testing for about 5 years before I reinstalled, and that was to go 64bit |
| 11:30.27 | sladi | amphi: if you upgrade from previos stable an unkown system with a lot of applications then the upgrade is more compliceted |
| 11:30.46 | abrotman | amphi: jeez .. you n00b |
| 11:30.53 | sladi | jeey |
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| 11:31.55 | amphi | abrotman: heh |
| 11:32.06 | Corwin | The whole "upgrade" process just flat out baffles me. Developers do not start and stop writing software on some unified schedule. I run testing and do a dist-upgrade every day. I always have a current happy stable system. |
| 11:32.13 | amphi | Corwin: I spoke of ubuntu |
| 11:32.31 | abrotman | Corwin: oddly enough .. testing is 'frozen' |
| 11:32.50 | Corwin | abrotman: huh??? You mean I have to switch to unstable????????? |
| 11:32.56 | abrotman | please don't |
| 11:33.01 | amphi | experimental FTW! |
| 11:33.08 | sladi | Corwin: experimental |
| 11:33.14 | jelly | amphi: evul! |
| 11:33.19 | wols | Corwin: "unified schedules" are important and good for distros tho |
| 11:33.23 | abrotman | you can't "switch to" experimental |
| 11:33.28 | wols | and testing DOES break. even if you don't admit it |
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| 11:33.56 | amphi | wols: sure; but rarely, in my experience |
| 11:33.57 | Corwin | I put unstable sources in my apt file and installed a bunch of stuff out of unstable yesterday. Then I removed the unstable sources |
| 11:34.19 | Corwin | When testing breaks, it's a minor fix that usually goes away on it;s own in 2 days |
| 11:34.44 | idimmu | Corwin: how long have you been using debian for? a week?! |
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| 11:34.48 | Corwin | wols: I disagree with you |
| 11:34.53 | Corwin | idimmu: about 6 years |
| 11:34.58 | idimmu | i remember when they changed the C++ abi :( :( :( :( :( |
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| 11:36.12 | wols | Corwin: no problem. doesn't make you right tho |
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| 11:37.17 | Corwin | I don't really think there is any such thing as "right" or "wrong". Life is not monocromatic. I know what works for me. |
| 11:37.49 | Corwin | My dodge has 460K miles on it and runs perfect. Does that make Ford wrong? |
| 11:37.59 | stew | testing is broken by design, it is always broken. if it were not for the (currently ~350) known RC bugs, testing would have become stable |
| 11:38.33 | themill | !coffee stew |
| 11:38.33 | dpkg | decants a fine mug of Peruvian for stew, courtesy of themill |
| 11:38.34 | eshat | Hi all, is there a way, that a file cannot be opened twice ? We are a root group and I want to prevend 2 persons editing the same config, because one will lose his changes if the other overwrites the file ? |
| 11:38.41 | Corwin | stew: well you know what? I'm not replacing "testing" with "stable" in my apt sources file |
| 11:38.57 | Corwin | eshat: run windows? |
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| 11:39.20 | jelly | eshat: use advisory locking and only allow editing via a wrapper that obeys the lock |
| 11:39.57 | stew | Corwin: that's good. that would have been a bad idea |
| 11:40.03 | stew | eshat: man flock? |
| 11:40.14 | naught101 | I need to shred all files in a directory, but I can't seem to run shred with a * wildcard - it tries to find a file called *, and can't, so fails |
| 11:40.21 | naught101 | any ideas/solutions? |
| 11:40.23 | stew | (or man 2 flock) |
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| 11:40.35 | abrotman | naught101: xargs? find? |
| 11:40.36 | Corwin | naught101: use find and -xargs |
| 11:40.56 | naught101 | <-- newb |
| 11:40.59 | et | or simply use your shell ... |
| 11:41.06 | et | for i in *; ... |
| 11:41.08 | abrotman | naught101: --> man pages |
| 11:41.08 | themill | naught101: exactly what command are you using? |
| 11:41.16 | naught101 | shred |
| 11:41.22 | Corwin | shred is cool |
| 11:41.28 | themill | naught101: that's not the exact command |
| 11:41.38 | Corwin | themill: yes it is |
| 11:41.50 | abrotman | he meant the full command he was using |
| 11:41.52 | themill | Corwin: no, he's talking about * or similar. |
| 11:42.06 | naught101 | oh, sorry. 'shred -uv ./private/directory/*' |
| 11:42.14 | idimmu | isnt * a shell expansiojn |
| 11:42.18 | idimmu | *expansion |
| 11:42.22 | idimmu | ? |
| 11:42.28 | naught101 | I thought so |
| 11:42.32 | idimmu | so should have magically been turned in to the list of files anyway? |
| 11:42.33 | themill | idimmu: yes. so if it's not expanding then the path is wrong |
| 11:42.38 | stew | naught101: does "echo ./private/directory/*" expand to the files you are expecting? |
| 11:42.48 | jelly | eshat: try eg. lockfile-progs |
| 11:43.06 | idimmu | eshat: vim tells you if other people have the file open or not |
| 11:43.22 | idimmu | failing that use version control like svn/cvs/git to track and merge changes? |
| 11:43.23 | jelly | idimmu: it does so by using its own lockfile scheme |
| 11:43.32 | idimmu | yes jelly |
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| 11:44.30 | naught101 | stew: nope, but 'ls ./private/directory does |
| 11:44.46 | dFence | hey guys.. i'm starting to read into RAIDs... how much load would a software-RAID 1 add to a 133mhz x86 CPU? |
| 11:44.58 | hyper_ch | hmmm, am I reading this right? The Linksys NAS200 offers 2x SATA plus 2x USB connectors? |
| 11:44.59 | Corwin | is there anything in ./private/directory/ ? |
| 11:45.00 | dFence | (in idle-mode and read/write mode) |
| 11:45.01 | stew | naught101: what shell are you using? ("echo $SHELL" should tell you) |
| 11:45.24 | naught101 | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:45.43 | Corwin | dFence: Raid 0 and 1 don't use a lot of CPU |
| 11:45.48 | mordy | how to check what's setting scaling_max_freq to the CPU minimum? i have a line in rc.local which sets it to cpuinfo_max_freq, but it always seems to go to min_freq |
| 11:45.49 | stew | odd |
| 11:45.57 | naught101 | drwxrwsr-x 10 root list 4.0K 2008-07-01 03:27 directory |
| 11:46.17 | jelly | dFence: we can't know. Which controller? How fast the disks are? |
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| 11:47.43 | dFence | jelly: software-raid (kernel-mods with raidtools2), SATA-Controller: Silicon Image SiL3512ECTU128 on a RDC3210-G CPU with 32mb of ram -- swap will be ~300mb |
| 11:48.24 | enouf | sata drives plugged into a sata card hanging off the PCI bus? |
| 11:48.31 | dFence | hyper_ch: yep, it has. |
| 11:48.54 | Corwin | dFence: the Sil3512 is probably the best 1.5 SATA chip.... |
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| 11:49.05 | enouf | sounds like my babyAT 150 .. haha |
| 11:49.10 | dFence | enouf: it's an embedded device. it's stuck with UPS somehwere so i don't have more input about the system |
| 11:49.27 | enouf | ahh |
| 11:49.43 | dFence | (it's a linksys nas200) |
| 11:49.51 | Corwin | dFence: that chipset works with Solaris/Nexenta (ZFS) |
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| 11:50.10 | enouf | dFence: but is that a pci or pcie card? |
| 11:50.29 | enouf | or pci-x even |
| 11:50.51 | enouf | or is that onboard? |
| 11:50.58 | hyper_ch | dFence: what alternate firmware could be installed on there? Do you know? (nas200) |
| 11:50.58 | dFence | enouf: most likely onboard |
| 11:51.17 | enouf | oh .. nm then .. |
| 11:51.54 | dFence | hyper_ch: i'm gonna try setting up openwrt on it, but we're in a grey-zone here... |
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| 11:52.10 | hyper_ch | dFence: so you got that one? |
| 11:54.10 | dFence | hyper_ch: for just playing around i'd recommend the nslu2 - you can easily "overclock" (remove the limiter) it to 266mhz and it's way better supported. |
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| 11:54.35 | hyper_ch | dFence: well, with the 2 sata drives you could use it as lvm |
| 11:55.00 | hyper_ch | dFence: or can usb drives also be used as lvm? |
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| 11:57.47 | Corwin | yee haa!! The YouTube video is 78% downloaded. |
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| 11:58.36 | dFence | hyper_ch: they're mounted somewhere through mod_scsi so i guess it's doable.. like i said, i'm just warming up with RAIDs |
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| 11:58.51 | dFence | Corwin: gee, you surfing with your toaster or what? :) |
| 11:58.56 | hyper_ch | dFence: ok :) thx for the info |
| 12:00.22 | hyper_ch | that's interesting... http://www.eff.org/testyourisp/switzerland |
| 12:00.25 | dFence | god damnit... we've had the same supplier for the past 8 years and the drivers are still asking where to unload *D'arghh* |
| 12:00.37 | Corwin | dFence: Doesn't feel that smooth. I bring any and all ISPs to their knees and then they next to turn me off. One of those wax on/wax off things |
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| 12:01.20 | dFence | oh i c |
| 12:01.26 | botox | im getting a syncronising scsi cache sda.. on a reboot and the system just sits there and dosent reboot.. |
| 12:01.32 | botox | dont a memtest, and thats all ok |
| 12:01.33 | Corwin | You'd think with .fios. in my reverse dns that I would be faster |
| 12:01.34 | botox | any ideas? |
| 12:01.39 | abrotman | Corwin: #debian-offtopic ? |
| 12:02.58 | Corwin | abrotman: I don't like it there. I think I'll go to bed instead. |
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| 12:03.10 | abrotman | as long as it's not here |
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| 12:04.18 | Faithful | Hey guys, I got a big problem... when my default route dies (adsl router) samba crawls real bad... to the point that no one can open files eventually... ideas??? |
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| 12:06.22 | Corwin | illio: Did the MySQL issue get resolved? |
| 12:06.40 | illio | Corwin, nope.. very odd |
| 12:08.18 | Corwin | illio: Are you running nmap on local host or from another PC? |
| 12:08.39 | illio | Corwin, from another PC |
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| 12:11.18 | E-bola | Anybody know any opensource systems that let you filter web traffic/Im/p2p stuff for multiple locations but admin'd centrally? |
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| 12:13.46 | Corwin | Faithful: probably a DNS issue... Also verify your netmask is correct. |
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| 12:16.43 | truthtruth | hello girls |
| 12:17.10 | Corwin | truthtruth: I haven't had my SRS yet |
| 12:17.18 | truthtruth | where can i download latest debian? |
| 12:17.29 | truthtruth | !SRS |
| 12:17.29 | dpkg | from memory, srs is the Sender Rewriting Scheme, at http://spf.pobox.com/srs.html -- also, ask me about "spf". |
| 12:17.31 | Corwin | debian.org |
| 12:17.49 | Corwin | haha |
| 12:17.49 | truthtruth | Corwin: cheers big ears :) |
| 12:18.14 | truthtruth | Corwin: you didnt expect the bot to know about SRS? ;) |
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| 12:18.38 | Faithful | Corwin: yes this I figured but I don't get it... The router was DNS so I change it to localhost and ran dnsmasq and when the internet drops... still the same. When it drops, you can't even open files up from samba server hardly and Windows box said "Error finding RPC server" |
| 12:18.39 | Corwin | truthtruth: I figured you would :p |
| 12:19.06 | abrotman | !tell truthtruth about d-i |
| 12:19.14 | Corwin | Faithful: it's probably trying to do a lookup someplace and hanging |
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| 12:19.20 | truthtruth | Corwin: i been using another distro, is Debian worth trying? |
| 12:19.34 | Corwin | truthtruth: I think so |
| 12:19.40 | truthtruth | Corwin: why? |
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| 12:19.47 | avu | truthtruth, no. |
| 12:19.51 | truthtruth | Corwin: why do ppl use Debain over ubuntu? |
| 12:19.59 | Corwin | truthtruth: well it depends on what you want to accomplish |
| 12:20.02 | truthtruth | avu: say hi to your sister for me ;) |
| 12:20.13 | truthtruth | Corwin: i want stability and security |
| 12:20.24 | jelly | !tell truthtruth -about why debian |
| 12:20.27 | Corwin | I trued Kubuntu for a few months, didn't like it, and went back to Debian |
| 12:20.30 | Faithful | Corwin yes I figured that... but digging out an answer is a totally different issue. |
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| 12:20.50 | idimmu | truthtruth: politics son, politics |
| 12:21.00 | truthtruth | why is the latest stable version of Debian over 1 year old? |
| 12:21.14 | Corwin | truthtruth: You'll get stability and security from any Linux distro |
| 12:21.28 | Faithful | I will check if lmhosts file has correct ip address |
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| 12:21.39 | Corwin | truthtruth: No one actually runs "stable" Debian |
| 12:21.44 | truthtruth | 4.0r4 etch is now the "Stable" debian release (April 8, 2007) . WHY so OLD? |
| 12:21.45 | jelly | truthtruth: [over 1 year old] why do you ask? |
| 12:21.46 | avu | Corwin, what? |
| 12:22.07 | idimmu | hey we still run woody |
| 12:22.10 | avu | Corwin, of course people run stable |
| 12:22.11 | truthtruth | why isbnt there a later version of debian than april 2007? |
| 12:22.13 | Corwin | avu: are you saying you run "Stable" debian? |
| 12:22.19 | lollopallo | Is there anybody willing to help me with few DNS releated problems? :) |
| 12:22.30 | truthtruth | lollopallo: wait youyr turn |
| 12:22.32 | jelly | truthtruth: the next stable is being prepared. /msg dpkg releases |
| 12:22.44 | stew | Corwin: of corse tons of people run stable |
| 12:22.47 | truthtruth | jelly so what do I install today? |
| 12:22.48 | avu | Corwin, of course I do |
| 12:22.48 | idimmu | truthtruth: can you tell me why ever australian i meet on the internet is a terrible troll? |
| 12:22.51 | jelly | truthtruth: stable. |
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| 12:22.58 | Corwin | wow, I'm surprised. |
| 12:23.07 | truthtruth | idimmu: the same reason your sister licks a lot of guys |
| 12:23.08 | PeHe | what is lollopallos problem? |
| 12:23.15 | stew | truthtruth: idimmu: take this elsewhere |
| 12:23.26 | truthtruth | jelly but its over 1 year old lol |
| 12:23.30 | jelly | truthtruth: so? |
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| 12:23.39 | truthtruth | jelly how can I use 1 year old firefox etc? |
| 12:23.40 | avu | don't feed the troll I guess. |
| 12:23.44 | jelly | truthtruth: I don't get your point. |
| 12:23.53 | PeHe | themill: you are sooooo stupid. |
| 12:24.05 | PeHe | oops. i mean truthtruth |
| 12:24.10 | truthtruth | jelly my point is... why are u saying I should use a 1 year old kernel 1 year old firefox etc? |
| 12:24.14 | Corwin | truthtruth: I run testing, it's maybe 2-3 months back +/- |
| 12:24.16 | PeHe | you donät know shit about anything. |
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| 12:24.24 | jelly | truthtruth: because you asked what debian to install |
| 12:24.34 | stew | PeHe: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep your comments constructive in the future |
| 12:24.39 | truthtruth | jelly i want to install you |
| 12:24.44 | themill | PeHe: your insults about intelligence sort of lack credibility when you can't tab complete properly. |
| 12:24.48 | jelly | truthtruth: have fun in /ignore |
| 12:24.51 | Corwin | is finally going to bed |
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| 12:25.01 | truthtruth | jelly im having fun with your sister :) |
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| 12:25.09 | jelly | stew: thanks |
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| 12:25.34 | idimmu | terrible channel modding but whatever |
| 12:25.42 | w00LiPoP | Hi! Just a little question, where do I find the source list? |
| 12:25.47 | jelly | idimmu: you volunteering? |
| 12:25.49 | idimmu | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 12:25.56 | idimmu | i already mod another linux channel |
| 12:26.04 | stew | idimmu: plesae keep it on-topic |
| 12:26.18 | idimmu | k |
| 12:26.30 | w00LiPoP | thx idimmu |
| 12:26.32 | idimmu | np |
| 12:26.46 | OpenTokix | Is there some way to get info about a package, like apt-cache info nedit |
| 12:26.47 | OpenTokix | ? |
| 12:26.57 | stew | OpenTokix: apt-cache show packagename |
| 12:27.03 | OpenTokix | stew: thxn |
| 12:27.22 | lollopallo | Reloading domain name service...: bindrndc: connect failed: 127.0.0.1#953: timed out |
| 12:27.22 | lollopallo | failed! |
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| 12:27.54 | lollopallo | This is just weird |
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| 12:28.20 | stew | lollopallo: does your named.conf (or file included from named.conf) contain a "controls" section which binds it to port 953? |
| 12:28.25 | jelly | lollopallo: what is? init scripts failing to figure out whether there's a service running or not? |
| 12:28.27 | HawkeV | hey guys, is it just me, or is Packages.gz hosed? |
| 12:28.36 | HawkeV | (for amd64 netinst) |
| 12:28.49 | stew | HawkeV: which one? |
| 12:29.00 | lollopallo | stew it does |
| 12:29.10 | HawkeV | i've tried a bunch of mirrors, but, http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-amd64/Packages.gz to be exact |
| 12:29.17 | stew | lollopallo: is bind started? |
| 12:29.33 | lollopallo | yep its running already, but can't reload it. |
| 12:29.56 | jelly | lollopallo: find the named proces, kill it manually, start it from the init script again |
| 12:30.03 | lollopallo | ok |
| 12:30.11 | stew | HawkeV: that file looks fine to me, but we could be looking at different mirrors from that rotation |
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| 12:31.42 | HawkeV | hm! seems to have resolved itself now... |
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| 12:32.25 | lollopallo | jelly: i killed it and tried to start but it gives me this error: Starting domain name service...: bind failed! |
| 12:32.49 | jelly | lollopallo: now examine your logs to see how it failed |
| 12:32.53 | illio | Is there anything like FreeBSD's portaudit for Debian? |
| 12:33.03 | abrotman | illio: which does? |
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| 12:33.45 | illio | abrotman, checks your currently installed packages for known security issues by communicating with an online server .. it also checks for known security issues before you install new packages.. |
| 12:33.57 | abrotman | illio: debsecan |
| 12:34.03 | abrotman | illio: also /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 12:34.07 | hyper_ch | am I wrong or is North America heading to a stone-age internet again? |
| 12:34.10 | illio | abrotman, oh okay.. thanks |
| 12:34.19 | abrotman | illio: also .. /msg dpkg dsa |
| 12:34.45 | HawkeV | hyper_ch: it looks like it |
| 12:34.49 | abrotman | illio: debsecan only does installed packages IIRC though |
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| 12:35.31 | illio | abrotman, okay.. that's also good enough :-) .. |
| 12:35.31 | hyper_ch | HawkeV: just read about Bell Canada.... hmmm, you get a 10mbit dsl connection BUT if you're using more than 2 GB per month will charge you expensive rates |
| 12:35.59 | HawkeV | sounds like australia |
| 12:36.07 | illio | abrotman, I'm actually forced to set up a openSuSE system also.. do you know if there's an equivalent package there or is that a question for the openSuSE channel? |
| 12:36.10 | HawkeV | least the aussies have an excuse - their country literally has no bandwidth |
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| 12:36.21 | abrotman | illio: IIRC it also shows a severity |
| 12:36.24 | abrotman | illio: #suse? |
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| 12:36.58 | hyper_ch | HawkeV: more and media becomes internet based... voip, internet radio, internet tv.... lots of tv station also put their news and stuff as video feeds online |
| 12:37.04 | HawkeV | yup |
| 12:37.09 | HawkeV | there was something i read... |
| 12:37.09 | HawkeV | hm |
| 12:37.11 | HawkeV | where is it |
| 12:37.32 | illio | abrotman, I'll try the suse channel then.. thanks :-) |
| 12:38.05 | stew | illio: alsa look at apt-listbugs |
| 12:38.07 | stew | HawkeV: hyper_ch: please take this conversation to a more appropriate channel or to /query |
| 12:38.19 | hyper_ch | stew: sorry |
| 12:38.28 | abrotman | hyper_ch: HawkeV: try #debian-offtopic |
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| 12:40.26 | zyx386 | can i run ASPX scripte of Debian server? |
| 12:40.46 | idimmu | using sun one you might be able to zyx386 |
| 12:40.54 | idimmu | i couldnt get it to work though as its redhat based |
| 12:40.57 | abrotman | zyx386: maybe with mono and mod_mono |
| 12:41.13 | illio | stew, cool.. will apt-listbugs work if I use wajig instead of apt-get ? |
| 12:41.33 | idimmu | mono is just c# isnt it? |
| 12:41.45 | zyx386 | abrotman, mono or mod mono is package to installation or configuratios? |
| 12:41.58 | idimmu | zyx386: what language is the aspx pages in? |
| 12:42.08 | stew | illio: i don't know |
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| 12:42.22 | abrotman | idimmu: it's asp.net |
| 12:42.23 | illio | stew, fair enough.. I'll just have to try wont I :-) |
| 12:42.32 | zyx386 | idimmu, asp.NET from MS |
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| 12:42.38 | idimmu | asp isnt a language |
| 12:42.40 | illio | abrotman, it's several technologies.. |
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| 12:42.55 | zyx386 | idimmu, what is asp.net then? |
| 12:42.58 | abrotman | fair enough |
| 12:43.09 | abrotman | but AFAIK .. mod_mono is the way to do that on linux |
| 12:43.33 | idimmu | its a mutli language framework *thing* |
| 12:43.38 | zyx386 | ok abrotman |
| 12:43.54 | illio | zyx386, ASP is a scripting technology using either VBScript og JavaScript, with a few extra features.. and ASP.Net is simply ASP with the .Net framework |
| 12:44.13 | zyx386 | illio, ok |
| 12:44.18 | zyx386 | thanx |
| 12:44.38 | zyx386 | abrotman, how can install mod_mono on debian server? |
| 12:45.10 | abrotman | !info libapache2-mod-mono etch |
| 12:45.21 | stew | zyx386: apt-cache search mod_mono |
| 12:45.25 | abrotman | and no .. i have no idea how well it works |
| 12:45.27 | zyx386 | aha ok |
| 12:45.29 | illio | zyx386, apt-get install libapache2-mod-mono |
| 12:45.30 | zyx386 | thanx |
| 12:45.41 | zyx386 | ok thanx |
| 12:45.44 | dpkg | libapache2-mod-mono: (Run ASP.NET Pages on UNIX with Apache 2 and Mono), section net, is optional. Version: 1.2.1-1 (etch), Packaged size: 31 kB, Installed size: 136 kB |
| 12:46.56 | illio | zyx386, it should support C# 3.0 and .Net 2.0 .. but only experimental stuff from .Net 3.0 as far as I know... We tested mono with a .Net project we had in our Windows department.. strictly backend stuff, but it compiled nicely in mono with no changes necesarry.. so they've come a long way the last few years |
| 12:47.16 | abrotman | illio: remember that the verseion in etch is over a year old |
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| 12:47.46 | idimmu | illio: does mono do vb/javascript too, or just c#? |
| 12:47.53 | illio | abrotman, oh yeah.. that's correct of course.. forgot about that.. |
| 12:48.08 | zyx386 | illio, some one ask me, if possible run website aspx on debian server. |
| 12:48.30 | illio | idimmu, you can run pretty much anything you would be able to on a Windows server.. mono is just the .Net framework clone |
| 12:48.33 | zyx386 | libapache2-mod-mono or libapache-mod-mono |
| 12:48.38 | illio | zyx386, yes that's possible |
| 12:48.43 | zyx386 | ok thanx |
| 12:48.53 | illio | zyx386, depends on your apache.. is it apache2.x.x or apache 1.x.x? |
| 12:49.00 | idimmu | shiny |
| 12:49.03 | zyx386 | apache2 |
| 12:49.06 | abrotman | so guess |
| 12:49.07 | zyx386 | debian etch |
| 12:49.15 | abrotman | zyx386: you sohuld be smart enough to figure it out from here |
| 12:49.16 | illio | zyx386, so libapache2-mod-mono |
| 12:49.26 | hyper_ch | lol, M$ uses for the Mojave Experiment Promo CentOS and Apache 2 |
| 12:50.07 | zyx386 | abrotman, !? |
| 12:50.13 | zyx386 | thanx illio |
| 12:50.24 | illio | zyx386, no problem |
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| 12:51.23 | zyx386 | but illio after need restart apache to take effect or not? |
| 12:52.07 | illio | zyx386, yes you need to enable the module with a2enmod lib_mono (as far as I remember) and restart your apache.. |
| 12:52.20 | zyx386 | ok |
| 12:52.50 | illio | zyx386, perhaps this can help you: http://www.debianadmin.com/running-aspnet-applications-in-debian-and-ubuntu-using-xsp-and-mono.html |
| 12:53.10 | zyx386 | thank you very very much |
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| 12:55.38 | zyx386 | illio, http://paste.debian.net/13581/ i some error by installation ! |
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| 12:56.32 | abrotman | zyx386: paste the output of `ls -l /etc/apache2/` and ls -l /etc/apache2/conf/ |
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| 12:57.47 | zyx386 | http://paste.debian.net/13582/ |
| 12:58.36 | zyx386 | http://paste.debian.net/13583/ |
| 12:58.40 | zyx386 | abrotman, |
| 12:59.01 | abrotman | this is an etch box ? |
| 12:59.29 | zyx386 | yes |
| 13:00.16 | illio | hmm odd.. debsecan is claiming a whole bunch of security issues but no security fixes are apparently available.. can this really be true? .. it's claiming pretty much all my packages are insecure.. |
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| 13:00.30 | abrotman | illio: yes it is possible .. look at the severities |
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| 13:00.46 | cydork | illio: yes check /msg dpkg tracker of doom |
| 13:00.57 | abrotman | been down that road :) |
| 13:01.04 | illio | abrotman, all a bunch of medium and low ones |
| 13:01.40 | abrotman | illio: if you use the tracker of doom website .. you can actually read the CVE IIRC |
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| 13:01.53 | zyx386 | and abrotman :) |
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| 13:02.46 | abrotman | zyx386: where did that /etc/apache2/conf come from ? |
| 13:02.55 | illio | abrotman, hmm yeah I can see that now.. just seems like a whole bunch of security issues compared to, e.g. FreeBSD, is this simply because of the need to stay "stable" in the etch suite? |
| 13:03.08 | abrotman | apt-file doesn't know about /etc/apache2/conf |
| 13:03.10 | illio | abrotman, as in: "We don't want to update unless we have to" |
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| 13:03.31 | stew | illio: stable IS updated for security fixes. can you give us an example? |
| 13:03.35 | abrotman | illio: i'd guess severity vs time required .. i'm not on the security team |
| 13:03.38 | cydork | illio: stable does get security updates. if that's what you want. |
| 13:03.47 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 13:03.48 | dpkg | [tracker of doom] a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 13:03.58 | abrotman | http://security-tracker.debian.net/tracker/status/release/stable |
| 13:04.12 | abrotman | there are quite a few low/medium vulns listed there |
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| 13:04.33 | abrotman | debsecan shows all of them by default IIRC |
| 13:04.38 | hey_thomas | hello, excuse me, I search for change me cursor for an bitmap who I have create, but I can't have it only temporarly with xsetroot; do you know how i can do do for have it always? (if you have a link...) thanks |
| 13:04.45 | zyx386 | http://paste.debian.net/13585/ |
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| 13:06.14 | hey_thomas | did you think who I must change Xcursor/ |
| 13:06.18 | hey_thomas | arf... |
| 13:06.29 | hey_thomas | xcursor.xrdb? |
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| 13:07.37 | hey_thomas | I know my english is bad... |
| 13:08.55 | abrotman | hey_thomas: there is a french channel if you'd prefer |
| 13:09.25 | hey_thomas | yes but there are no answere... |
| 13:09.38 | abrotman | oh ok |
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| 13:13.11 | hey_thomas | I do my axe for nothing ... :-/ |
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| 13:15.22 | hey_thomas | and in index.theme i don't find a lot of thigs about cursor... |
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| 13:18.15 | hey_thomas | bye |
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| 13:20.26 | subpacket | Hi, I've been attempting to install Debian Etch PPC to an external USB drive. All goes well except for installing the boot loader, which fails with an error while trying to determine its OpenFirmware device. It says that usb-storage is not supported. Can anyone point me in the right direction to get this going? |
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| 13:20.55 | subpacket | The hardware is a Mac PowerBook G4 |
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| 13:22.11 | stew | subpacket: if you don't get an answer here you might also try #debianppc |
| 13:22.28 | subpacket | stew: will do, thanks! |
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| 13:27.51 | EugenMayer | what is the easiest debian way to upgrade the kernel to 24 or greater? |
| 13:28.11 | abrotman | EugenMayer: on etch ? |
| 13:28.31 | EugenMayer | abrotman: yes, i need this for truecrypt and others |
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| 13:28.38 | abrotman | EugenMayer: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 13:29.19 | EugenMayer | that should mean eatch.5 like near to the next release à |
| 13:29.28 | abrotman | not quite |
| 13:30.15 | EugenMayer | so i use linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 - Linux 2.6.24 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 |
| 13:30.22 | EugenMayer | for a P III 450 MHz i guess |
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| 13:30.29 | stew | EugenMayer: yes |
| 13:30.35 | EugenMayer | thank you a lot |
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| 13:30.58 | tyler | has anyone here used zabbix by chance? just thinking about checking out and figured id see if anyone had any opinions. |
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| 13:38.12 | EugenMayer | somehow when i install a newer kernel and the menu.lst get regenerated, the root is wrong (hde3 instead sda2) |
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| 13:39.06 | EugenMayer | how could i correct this ? |
| 13:39.38 | EugenMayer | i thought grub is getting the current root out of mount or fstab but it seem not |
| 13:39.47 | EugenMayer | to be the trueth |
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| 13:40.54 | Wyzard | EugenMayer: Find the # kopt=root= line in your menu.lst, and change that |
| 13:41.11 | Wyzard | EugenMayer: That's where update-grub gets the options from when regenerating the boot entries |
| 13:42.08 | EugenMayer | thank you |
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| 13:43.46 | FnF | hi |
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| 13:48.16 | EugenMayer | how can i format a truecrypt drive under debian..somehow i cant finde how to mount it |
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| 13:48.49 | Haris1 | Hello people |
| 13:49.05 | Haris1 | on lenny/sid, clamav says, a new version of clamav is available. How do I update to it? |
| 13:49.45 | stew | Haris1: aptitude install clamav |
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| 13:51.04 | stew | Haris1: maybe aptitude install clamav clamav-base |
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| 13:53.46 | dFence | i think i'm getting a reputation... the instant i prepared a newspaper for squashing flies they just disappered... |
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| 13:55.06 | micols | my nfs performance (read) keeps dropping from 106MB/s to 26MB/s once in a while on big file reads with rsize 40960 how could that be? |
| 13:55.35 | Haris1 | ah, thanks |
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| 14:00.00 | EugenMayer | how to delete the faulty flag a a manually "set faulty" arraY? |
| 14:00.20 | keith4 | EugenMayer: using mdadm? |
| 14:00.30 | EugenMayer | for setting it faulty, yes |
| 14:00.47 | EugenMayer | mdadm --manage --fail /dev/md0 /dev/sda2 |
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| 14:02.49 | dinar | hello can i run english dpkg-reconfigure instead localised? |
| 14:03.40 | dinar | i am in ubuntu but that is not important.[i think] |
| 14:03.48 | keith4 | should not have said that |
| 14:03.59 | dinar | there is little talks in this channel |
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| 14:04.13 | keith4 | !ubuntu |
| 14:04.13 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
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| 14:04.46 | janissary | hi im about to download debian.. |
| 14:04.56 | dinar | see <Debian policy> |
| 14:04.59 | dinar | where |
| 14:05.00 | janissary | question is which desktop should i use and which is more stable.. |
| 14:05.06 | janissary | ? |
| 14:05.08 | keith4 | !tell dinar about Debian policy |
| 14:05.18 | janissary | stabz dinar |
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| 14:07.15 | janissary | help.. anyone. |
| 14:07.27 | keith4 | which "desktop"? |
| 14:07.38 | janissary | gnome ? |
| 14:07.51 | stew | janissary: try a bunch and see which you are most comforable with |
| 14:07.57 | keith4 | it's really a matter of personal preference |
| 14:08.04 | keith4 | i would say that both are "stable" |
| 14:08.08 | janissary | stew i want to download debian iso which is the smallest size.. |
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| 14:08.21 | janissary | something like a live-install without installing all them big packages. |
| 14:08.46 | keith4 | !netinst |
| 14:08.46 | dpkg | netinst is probably a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection, but is not required for a base install to complete, see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/ If you use a dialup connection, ask me about <dialup install>. <netboot miniiso>, or ask me about <check iso image> |
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| 14:09.10 | janissary | keith4 so how does it work? d/l iso burn to cd then run it. |
| 14:09.11 | janissary | ? |
| 14:09.15 | keith4 | yep |
| 14:09.29 | keith4 | then, depending on what you want to install, it downloads the necessary packages using your internet connection |
| 14:09.32 | janissary | "but is not required for a base install to complet" <- explain. |
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| 14:09.46 | keith4 | that way a) you don't download/burn stuff you won't use, and b) you get current versions immediately |
| 14:09.59 | janissary | sweet |
| 14:10.02 | janissary | thanks brother. |
| 14:10.06 | keith4 | the internet connection is not required for a base install, is what it's saying |
| 14:10.11 | keith4 | but a base install doesn't get you much |
| 14:10.18 | janissary | i feel yah brah. |
| 14:10.18 | stew | janissary: the businesscard is the smallest iso, though it is recommended that you use the larger netinst, since all of the files on the netinst which aren't on the businesscard iso would have to be downloaded during an install anyway |
| 14:10.36 | keith4 | you then need to install, for example, an x server, window manager, etc. |
| 14:10.50 | janissary | hm |
| 14:10.59 | janissary | ty. |
| 14:11.09 | janissary | im gonna dual boot it anyways. |
| 14:11.38 | cr3rzemjest | ahahah |
| 14:11.40 | cr3rzemjest | cat /dev/hda > /dev/audio |
| 14:11.55 | cr3rzemjest | is this sound of my HDD?! :D |
| 14:12.09 | Dantix | hi all. I have a just installed and configured box over a 6Gb HD and want to clone it over a 3Gb HD. I've tried with dd and cp with no luck because it needs the same space on target hd as in source one. The size of data itself does not goes beyond 2Gb. What should be the way to achieve what I want? |
| 14:12.13 | janissary | keith4 "debian-40r4-i386-netinst.iso 27-Jul-2008 15:40 162M" that it brah? |
| 14:13.25 | keith4 | Dantix: dump and restore? |
| 14:13.29 | keith4 | janissary: that's the one |
| 14:13.37 | keith4 | assuming you're running i386 arch |
| 14:13.44 | janissary | thanks mate. |
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| 14:14.47 | Dantix | keith4: sorry, dump and restore are commands? |
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| 14:15.01 | keith4 | Dantix: yes |
| 14:15.12 | dFence | hey is there anything i can use that overrides the return values of a program? (http://pastebin.com/d2046b1bf) -> cp returns "error" even though it's called if -f flag |
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| 14:15.45 | janissary | keith4 i want to learn a language what one you recommanded ? perl php c++ etc etc ? |
| 14:16.16 | keith4 | uhhh |
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| 14:16.19 | dFence | s/if/with |
| 14:16.27 | janissary | :| |
| 14:16.30 | maligor | all languages tend to have good uses and bad uses |
| 14:16.31 | keith4 | start with perl, it'll be the most useful to you if you don't have a specific project in mind |
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| 14:16.43 | janissary | sweet thanks alot enjoy. |
| 14:16.49 | keith4 | but generally, the proper tool for the job is best |
| 14:16.50 | maligor | heh.. perl will corrupt you |
| 14:16.54 | dFence | ;D |
| 14:16.57 | janissary | yeah true. |
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| 14:17.00 | wols | janissary: a script language you like |
| 14:17.00 | maligor | it's not very clean a language |
| 14:17.00 | idimmu | id identify a project first, then learn whatever language will work best with that |
| 14:17.07 | idimmu | else you might end up learning something you'll never use |
| 14:17.09 | janissary | wols i dont know any lol. |
| 14:17.11 | keith4 | perl to php isn't a big jump |
| 14:17.13 | dFence | i made the curve over html -> javascript -> C -> TOO MANY ;D |
| 14:17.15 | jelly | janissary: if you don't know much about programming at all yet, I'd start with python. |
| 14:17.15 | wols | look at a few |
| 14:17.15 | Dantix | keith4: thanks |
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| 14:17.19 | maligor | python is very easy |
| 14:17.24 | janissary | hmm |
| 14:17.33 | wols | yes python is a good beginner language |
| 14:17.42 | janissary | anything to do with sockets. |
| 14:17.42 | tyler | [08/01/2008 - 10:17:12] <keith4> perl to php isn't a big jump |
| 14:17.43 | tyler | so true |
| 14:17.47 | idimmu | any of the languages that are similar syntactically to C (perl, c++, java, php) arent exactly a huge jump to learn when you know one of them |
| 14:17.47 | tyler | i first learned perl, myself |
| 14:17.53 | tyler | php i basically already "knew" |
| 14:17.57 | wols | easy to use but still versatile |
| 14:17.59 | tyler | syntax isnt any different |
| 14:18.03 | janissary | so if i learn perl php wont be that hard right ? |
| 14:18.05 | keith4 | janissary: i wouldn't start with c++, probably |
| 14:18.07 | dFence | i'd say php isn't too bad either... very detailed error-messages (dunno python that well though) |
| 14:18.09 | tyler | yep, janissary |
| 14:18.12 | tyler | should be VERY easy |
| 14:18.19 | janissary | alright cool thanks guy |
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| 14:18.23 | tyler | :) |
| 14:18.25 | wols | janissary: any of them will make taking up php fairly easily |
| 14:18.26 | keith4 | don't start with java, either |
| 14:18.26 | tyler | perl/php have very similar syntax |
| 14:18.27 | themill | notes that you write fortran in any language . . . |
| 14:18.31 | janissary | enjoy your night/days/morning :D |
| 14:18.31 | tyler | screw java |
| 14:18.35 | janissary | dont worry i wont ;) |
| 14:18.41 | janissary | have fun. |
| 14:19.05 | keith4 | ah, nothing wakes up the channel like a good ol' "what language should I learn?" discussion |
| 14:19.11 | dFence | ;D |
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| 14:19.26 | rmrfchik | any lucky with hda_intel and 2.6.25? |
| 14:19.32 | rmrfchik | no sound after upgrade :( |
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| 14:19.46 | idimmu | id learn the one that pays the most and has the most jobs available for it after an intensive spreadsheet session :/ |
| 14:20.16 | idimmu | although i might need to script something to parse monster.com to work that out |
| 14:20.19 | idimmu | :( |
| 14:20.26 | rmrfchik | sure, I've checked wires, mixer settings and so on |
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| 14:21.30 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, I have it working |
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| 14:21.36 | RichiH | is debootstrap still the way to go or is cdebootstrap the new fish in the pond? |
| 14:21.50 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: what card? |
| 14:21.57 | wols | cdebootrsap is C. debootstrap perl iirc |
| 14:22.06 | jelly | shell |
| 14:22.27 | wols | same line noise :P |
| 14:22.45 | _ZeuZ_ | nVidia based one |
| 14:22.58 | RichiH | wols: that in and as of itself is quite useless information :p |
| 14:23.03 | _ZeuZ_ | hda_intel/nVidia >> both needs to be configured in kernel, and so SoC sound for ALSA |
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| 14:23.09 | rmrfchik | Realtek ALC883 here |
| 14:23.17 | stew | RichiH: they should have identical functionality, use whichever works |
| 14:23.18 | RichiH | the reason i am asking is that bootstrap from ~3-4 years back bit me in hard and subtle ways |
| 14:23.23 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, letme see what I can find |
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| 14:23.42 | RichiH | so i want to be _sure_ i am using one that works |
| 14:24.01 | rmrfchik | this is miracle. after upgrade, I can't hear the sound. I did "aslaconf", got the sound and was happy till last reboot. |
| 14:24.06 | rmrfchik | now alsaconf doesn't help me |
| 14:24.19 | themill | RichiH: I've seen subtle differences between them recently. In any case, c?debootstrap from etch is unlikely to be able make a lenny/sid chroot at the moment... backport away first. |
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| 14:24.58 | RichiH | themill: desktop and laptop are both running sid, anyway |
| 14:25.06 | RichiH | but thaks |
| 14:25.28 | RichiH | themill: what subtle differences? |
| 14:26.25 | keith4 | ugh |
| 14:26.40 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: do u need additional info? |
| 14:26.56 | themill | RichiH: like workies and no workies in some cases... they actually have different config files and istr they install different package sets too. |
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| 14:27.44 | RichiH | themill: yay? |
| 14:27.53 | RichiH | themill: which would you use for yourself, then? |
| 14:28.26 | themill | erm... last time I used a backported cdebootstrap. But that wasn't necessarily chosen from a position of knowledge on the subject! |
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| 14:49.23 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 14:49.23 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd72 is <try_catch_this> for the record I dont care what you use, to me I get things done faster with guis. |
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| 14:50.48 | nam | hi. pls help me to read data cd on lenny. yes i can cd to the folders on the cd but i want to read the cd on nautilus. thx. |
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| 14:51.53 | jelly | !lenny pool 1 |
| 14:51.53 | dpkg | it has been said that lenny pool 1 is ! dutchfish=2008-11-11 brylie=2008-07-15 <thedonvaughn>=2009-2-05 slxix=2008-10-31 <asg>=argh, not before I finish upgrading the sarge boxes. avu=2009-01-23 Guerin=20090313 chealer=2009-02-15 cydork=2008-12-31 gpm=2009-02-10 supaplex=my birthday jelly=2008-08-25. PerfDave=2009-01-14 witte=2009-03-01, abrotman=2009-04-08 streuner=2009-06-15 |
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| 14:52.12 | jelly | is not hopeful |
| 14:52.22 | themill | definite fail there |
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| 14:52.38 | jelly | hey, they just _might_ fix all of it in 20 days! |
| 14:52.40 | themill | jelly: you thought it would be out ahead of schedule? |
| 14:53.06 | jelly | themill: that guess was made a bit after etch released |
| 14:53.16 | themill | ahh... fair enough then. |
| 14:54.48 | jelly | !factinfo lenny pool 1 |
| 14:54.48 | dpkg | lenny pool 1 -- last modified at Tue Mar 4 10:02:18 2008 by streuner_!n=streuner@p54A5F9C5.dip.t-dialin.net; it has been requested 32 times, last by jelly, 2m 55s ago. |
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| 14:56.31 | jelly | !supaplex's dirty hobby |
| 14:56.31 | dpkg | [supaplex's dirty hobby] taking a nap when he's tired. |
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| 14:57.07 | martijn81 | anyone of you own an openmoko? |
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| 14:58.49 | dinar | dpkg is made by debian. |
| 14:58.50 | dpkg | dinar: I give up, what is it? |
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| 14:59.15 | dinar | you said if i am in ubuntu go to ubuntu |
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| 15:00.31 | Jack_Sparrow | dinar If you are using Ubuntu.. Please /join #Ubuntu I am over there too |
| 15:00.37 | XGas | lol |
| 15:00.39 | jelly | it has left |
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| 15:00.46 | Jack_Sparrow | ty |
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| 15:01.47 | LemensTS | how do i grep a folder directory and the files in it for a word called "foo" |
| 15:02.21 | cahoot | rgrep? |
| 15:02.26 | jelly | told dinar that #postfix probably won't help with answers to dpkg-reconfigure questions, and suspects dinar followed him here |
| 15:02.42 | jelly | LemensTS: grep -ri foo foldername. man grep |
| 15:03.07 | jelly | LemensTS: how is the word called "foo" spelled? :-) |
| 15:03.30 | themill | eff oow oow |
| 15:04.00 | jelly | that's what it's called! Who's on first? |
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| 15:04.30 | themill | What's on second |
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| 15:32.32 | Zmax | HI all, how can I remove a package previously installed _and_ all packages automatically installed as dependency of the first one? |
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| 15:32.49 | Zmax | (no more needed) |
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| 15:33.14 | abrotman | aptitude remove <pkg> |
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| 15:33.36 | abrotman | and if you didn't use aptitude to install .. SOOL |
| 15:33.44 | magyar_ | help, I have an odd issue. did a bind9 update for etch and now have an odd issue where nslookup works fine, but dig will only resolve fqdn names only |
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| 15:35.06 | Zmax | abrotman: I used aptitude thanks |
| 15:35.13 | yggdrasil | does anyoe here have experience with ppc linux setups ? |
| 15:35.26 | abrotman | just ask |
| 15:35.28 | uniwiz | anyone running debian on macbook pro? |
| 15:35.37 | abrotman | !ask |
| 15:35.37 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 15:36.04 | simonrvn | uniwiz: use elilo bootloader, the rest is like any other x86 box |
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| 15:36.29 | uniwiz | simonrvn, yes. I am interested in experiences with drivers, what works and does not work etc |
| 15:36.35 | simonrvn | like the bot said, just ask. otherwise the generic answers keep coming |
| 15:36.41 | yggdrasil | Somone gave me a g4 and i got linux going on it. and somone else was going to give me one of the processor upgrade cards, im not sure if linux will recognize the upgraded processor as i know mac os x needs the software from the maufaturer to properly use the card. anyone here know ? |
| 15:36.42 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, what does SOOL means? |
| 15:36.49 | Oins | Hallo. Can anyone help me with cups? I have the following config file: http://paste.debian.net/13596/ My user is at the group "printers" If i remove the # from the Line Nr. 32. I can't access the Printer. Without the line 32. it works.. What could be the problem? |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | shit out of luck |
| 15:36.53 | simonrvn | i'm not a walking faq ;) |
| 15:36.56 | abrotman | should have been SOL :) |
| 15:36.59 | pawbie | What causes apt to try to autoremove... everything? I keep getting a "These packages are available to autoremove - gdm gedit gnome-desktop bin-utils build-essential" etc |
| 15:37.22 | abrotman | yggdrasil: just try it ? |
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| 15:37.38 | abrotman | yggdrasil: there is also #debianppc |
| 15:37.40 | yggdrasil | yea i suppose |
| 15:37.42 | yggdrasil | ahh |
| 15:37.44 | yggdrasil | ill try them out. |
| 15:37.55 | yggdrasil | thanks. |
| 15:37.58 | simonrvn | yggdrasil: it'll work without mods - except maybe some bootloader arguments |
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| 15:38.16 | simonrvn | enabling the l2 cache, setting some cpu tweaks |
| 15:38.21 | yggdrasil | ahh i see |
| 15:38.25 | yggdrasil | ok well thats good |
| 15:38.31 | yggdrasil | i think its like a 1.8 processor upgrade |
| 15:38.36 | simonrvn | s/enabling/tweaking/ |
| 15:38.36 | yggdrasil | and the thing has 1gig of ram |
| 15:38.37 | _ZeuZ_ | is there any patch out there to bgive ttys a background on 2.6.26 ? |
| 15:38.41 | yggdrasil | should be a nice setpu. |
| 15:38.54 | simonrvn | oh nice |
| 15:39.21 | yggdrasil | thanks simonrvn. |
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| 15:39.46 | yggdrasil | and abrotman , you guys in here are always my difinitive linux answer place. |
| 15:39.48 | simonrvn | g4 towers are sweet boxen |
| 15:39.53 | yggdrasil | thats what it is |
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| 15:40.08 | yggdrasil | simonrvn i also hve a delta lt1010 pci soundcard that im toying with putting in there. |
| 15:40.30 | yggdrasil | the wife is making me downsize the cpu area and if i can get this up to that speed i might be able to get away with using just this system. |
| 15:40.52 | yggdrasil | its running compiz nicely right now. |
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| 15:44.59 | _ZeuZ_ | yggdrasil, if you appreciate your resources, you wouldn't use Compiz |
| 15:45.10 | _ZeuZ_ | (nor KDE 4.1) |
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| 15:47.44 | yggdrasil | _ZeuZ_ just taking the ppc processor out for a test drive, you know |
| 15:49.28 | yggdrasil | test |
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| 15:53.14 | SyL | is there a way to have dpkg-scanpackages just add a few packages instead of scanning the directory? |
| 15:58.39 | owen1 | what's the url of the pastebin site where i can upload a text file? |
| 15:59.22 | stew | owen1: http://paste.debian.net |
| 15:59.27 | owen1 | stew: thanks |
| 15:59.34 | _ZeuZ_ | yggdrasil, take it for something that worths it |
| 15:59.41 | _ZeuZ_ | a.k.a compiling open office :) |
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| 16:00.29 | LemensTS | If i download a source, and do checkinstall to build the .deb package, is it going to know what dependencies this package will need or is that something i have to tell it manually? |
| 16:01.20 | _ZeuZ_ | it will know |
| 16:01.44 | owen1 | stew: i am looking at the site with w3m, where is the upload button? |
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| 16:04.47 | yggdrasil | _ZeuZ_ does a custom compiled open office run any faster than the bins ? |
| 16:04.56 | RichiH | themill: E: Helper package cdebootstrap-helper-rc.d not found |
| 16:05.02 | RichiH | themill: you did that on purpose :/ |
| 16:05.05 | owen1 | stew: i found it |
| 16:05.15 | _ZeuZ_ | yggdrasil, depends on what flags you use |
| 16:05.20 | _ZeuZ_ | but the thing is to TEST |
| 16:05.40 | yggdrasil | yea its something ive never thought of doing interesting i might do tht . |
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| 16:05.54 | yggdrasil | im compiling dlgigi right now. |
| 16:06.01 | yggdrasil | fldigi |
| 16:06.11 | FordCortina | does mercurial in debian not come with hg view now? |
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| 16:06.42 | LemensTS | _ZeuZ_: how does it know what dependcies the source has? is thier a file in the .src that i can look at that says? |
| 16:07.57 | amikrop | How are these things called? A device (maybe USB) that you plug in your laptop and give you Internet access wherever you are, through a mobile phone network. How are they called, and are they compatible with linux? |
| 16:08.24 | yggdrasil | the only ones i have had luck with under linux are the pcmcia ones |
| 16:08.36 | yggdrasil | they are cdma serial ports linked to a cell phone thing. |
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| 16:08.51 | themill | RichiH: oh dear... bugger. I made a new pbuilder with cdebootstrap the other day (etch backport of the one from sid). Promise! |
| 16:08.53 | yggdrasil | the usb ones arent so easy to make work but peole claim the ymake them work |
| 16:08.54 | yggdrasil | brb |
| 16:09.05 | amikrop | Hardware vendors should really start developing drivers for linux... :-/ |
| 16:09.10 | stew | LemensTS: "apt-cache showsrc packagename" will ist the "Build-Depends" and "Build-Depends-Indep" |
| 16:09.27 | smhar | what is the package that contains the svn client so I can access and checkout with files |
| 16:09.31 | RichiH | themill: what command line did you use? |
| 16:09.39 | RichiH | cdebootstrap -f standard -H /mnt/test sid /mnt/usb |
| 16:09.46 | amikrop | smhar: subversion |
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| 16:11.46 | themill | RichiH: cowbuilder --create |
| 16:11.49 | smhar | I have subversion installed but 'svn checkout https://url' gives an error: svn: command not found |
| 16:12.58 | RichiH | smhar: check you $PATH |
| 16:13.02 | RichiH | your* |
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| 16:13.43 | smhar | RichiH: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 16:14.25 | smhar | RichiH: whereis svn ? svn: /usr/bin/svn /usr/share/man/man1/svn.1.gz |
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| 16:15.25 | themill | smhar: run hash -r |
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| 16:16.09 | smhar | themill: it worked.. what is hash? |
| 16:16.47 | themill | smhar: it's a store of program name to actual location i.e. ls => /bin/ls. It also remembers that svn was not found from your first attempt before you installed svn. |
| 16:16.58 | owen1 | after upgrade to lenny i can't login to X - http://paste.debain.net/13598 (here is the the log) |
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| 16:17.34 | LemensTS | stew: cool. That is how you find the dependencies on .deb packages already built. What if I downloaded a programs source. Is there a file in the src usually that says its dependcies...sorry if im sounding like a broken record |
| 16:17.39 | Sertse | hi |
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| 16:18.21 | stew | LemensTS: debian/control would have the same Build-Depends, Build-Depends-Indep lines |
| 16:18.47 | LemensTS | stew: what if there wasnt a .deb package made for it yet for me to reference |
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| 16:20.00 | Sero | I have two installations of mplayer on my system, the apt-get install one, and an old pre-release that I compiled myself. When I write mplayer, the old one is started -- how can I get switch to the new one? |
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| 16:20.31 | stew | LemensTS: then there is not a generic mechanism, you'd look at README, INSTALL, and failing those, maybe configure.ac / configure.in |
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| 16:21.15 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 16:21.31 | LemensTS | stew: thank you for the advice, i will read up on that. I understand it now. BTW what .deb packager do you use, ive been suggested like 3-4 in here |
| 16:21.50 | ribnitz | Does Sid support installing on a multiple-disk (SATA) system with SOFTRAID5? |
| 16:22.13 | stew | LemensTS: what do you mean by 'packager'? like apt-get or aptitude? |
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| 16:22.35 | DeltaS4 | how do I allow a normal user to use xsane? |
| 16:22.43 | lymeca | I have Etch and my Php 5.2.0 is totally broken. Any PHP scripts does not work in Apache and it segfault and produces a new line in error..log |
| 16:22.44 | stew | ribnitz: sid doesn't support installing. etch and lenny both support installing on software raid5 |
| 16:22.46 | LemensTS | stew: from turning a source into a .deb package. BTW I use apt-get |
| 16:22.48 | DeltaS4 | I mean to use the scanners from xsane |
| 16:22.52 | stew | DeltaS4: adduser username scanner |
| 16:22.58 | DeltaS4 | thank yae |
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| 16:23.10 | ribnitz | LemensTS: There are a few; all usually read/use the .deb format; most common are dpkg--- |
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| 16:23.34 | lymeca | I want to upgrade to 5.2.6 because I think this will fix my problem, but trying to install it from lenny I can tell that it wants to upgrade libc6 as well...which is bad, right? |
| 16:23.35 | stew | LemensTS: you mean like debhelper / cdbs / whatever? |
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| 16:23.44 | ribnitz | stew: In the form: I have a bunch of SATA disks; I want to use LVM/EVMS and Linux MD.. |
| 16:24.04 | ribnitz | lymeca: 5.226? |
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| 16:24.25 | stew | LemensTS: i usually copy a rules file from some other package i've made and start from there |
| 16:24.28 | LemensTS | stew: ive been told equiv, pickcoder, checkinstall, and dpkg |
| 16:25.03 | ribnitz | stew: I then want to set up a system that allows me to run virtualized systems (Linux/Windows) |
| 16:25.03 | lymeca | ribnitz: No, PP 5.2.6 |
| 16:25.06 | lymeca | *PHP |
| 16:25.14 | ribnitz | ah. PHP. |
| 16:25.15 | stew | LemensTS: equivs is for making an empty package, which is of limited use. i don't know anything about pickcoder. i'd prefer to make a real package over using checkinstall |
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| 16:25.39 | lycannyc | how do i backup my icedove settings (mail configs settings accounts etc) ? |
| 16:26.13 | stew | LemensTS: see the maint-guide: "/msg dpkg mg" if you haven't already |
| 16:26.38 | LemensTS | stew: ok i will stick to dpkg then. I read up on it and tried it with no luck, but I will look at it some more. Yea ive looked at the dpkg guid on here |
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| 16:26.58 | stew | LemensTS: by "stick to dpkg", you mean "debhelper"? |
| 16:28.50 | LemensTS | stew: i have no idea honestly lol. I never heard of debhelper till now, im reading about it on google. Ill probably test it and the others then come back in here with questions |
| 16:29.04 | LemensTS | *as i get time |
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| 16:29.38 | stew | LemensTS: do you have a debian/rules which calls a bunch of "dh_foo" programs? that is debhelper, which is the most widely used packaging mechanism |
| 16:29.48 | stew | LemensTS: its the one described int the maint-guide |
| 16:30.07 | LemensTS | stew: i imagine I dont since i dont know what your talking about. |
| 16:30.25 | LemensTS | i see the debhelper doc talkinga bout that |
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| 16:31.17 | acidslep | Guys, are our alsa packages messed up or old or something? |
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| 16:31.42 | simNIX | hi all - Im trying to rsync a remote dir while exluding a directory - from reading man page Ive came up with -> rsync -avlx --exclude "/xtra/\[NotBurned\]/*" --delete joop@192.168.0.1:/xtra/ /120-1/xtra/ |
| 16:32.02 | simNIX | but this stil copy's the forlder im trying to exclude - any pointers to where I go wrong ? |
| 16:32.13 | blaatz0r | hej guys, what's the command called to load unload apache modules? |
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| 16:33.33 | simNIX | a2enmod ? |
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| 16:34.21 | simNIX | like in : |
| 16:34.22 | simNIX | a2enmod proxy (enable module proxy) |
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| 16:35.04 | bipolar | Is there a 'Debian Way' for a package to edit fstab or is writing your own postinst script the only way? |
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| 16:35.35 | illio | Having some trouble with the phpmyadmin setup on Debian right now.. when you install phpmyadmin, it puts a symlink in your webserver directory /var/www/ .. by doing this you can access it with http://yourdomain.tld/phpmyadmin .. however this isn't what I want since I have a bunch of virtual hosts and all need to be able to access phpmyadmin.. so I tried making an alias in httpd.conf with Alias "/phpmyadmin" "/usr/share/phpmyadmin" . |
| 16:35.35 | illio | . but here I just got an internal server error 500 whenever trying to access the page.. Should one do it differently in Debian? is there some option that needs to be en- or dis-abled? |
| 16:36.09 | dcestari | hello all, anyone been able to use adobe flash player on firefox 3? with lenny |
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| 16:36.38 | psycodad_ | simNIX: your exclude seems not to match the directory you try to exclude, else it should work that way i suppose |
| 16:36.39 | Dantix | hi all, I've cloned a hd from a box and use the target hd on other box. The new box have a different network card, despite that I see the module loaded eth0 does not bring up, but if I do ifconfig -a appears an eth1. I suppose debian is storing in somewhere the relation beteween eth0 and the old module son in the new box, can't bring up. How can I reset that "realtion"? |
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| 16:37.54 | psycodad_ | Dantix: clear your /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules from references to the old card and it will be eth0 on next boot |
| 16:38.09 | kenjy | hi |
| 16:38.22 | Dantix | psycodad_: thanks a lot |
| 16:38.29 | psycodad_ | yw Dantix |
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| 16:47.00 | zack23 | Where can I look for tools on how to create debian packages (custom apache install)? |
| 16:47.21 | stew | zack23: /msg dpkg mg |
| 16:47.44 | stew | zack23: why not just alter the apache2 package that debian provides? (/msg dpkg source ; /msg dpkg debian/rules) |
| 16:49.04 | dustybin | do you think its a good idea to use RAID1 mirroring for your OS drive? |
| 16:49.16 | stew | sure |
| 16:49.25 | dustybin | and LVM for partitions |
| 16:49.32 | stew | sure |
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| 16:49.54 | dustybin | is it worth buying a hardware card for the job, or would the linux kernel be good enough? |
| 16:50.58 | dcestari | anyone on lenny? |
| 16:51.04 | stew | dcestari: tons of people |
| 16:51.17 | stew | dustybin: the linux kernel does a good job |
| 16:51.36 | dustybin | stew: better than dodgy firmware on a RAID card! |
| 16:51.48 | dustybin | (closed-source) |
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| 16:52.12 | dcestari | stew: hehe, but I have an specific lenny question. do you use it? are you using firefox + adobe flash? I can't, it uses swfdec and I can't make it use adobe. |
| 16:52.18 | stew | i've only ever used 3ware cards, and i'm quite happy |
| 16:52.18 | mavhc | software raid or $500 raid card, don't trust cheap hardware raid |
| 16:52.26 | zamba | i want to install a fresh system on two identical hard drives, setting up raid-1 on the process.. how can i go about doing this? |
| 16:52.56 | Zmax | Hi. Given a file, how can I determine which package provides it ? |
| 16:53.14 | stew | dcestari: i use lenny. i sometime use gnash, but nothing else |
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| 16:53.27 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 16:53.56 | SamuraiDio | how is the name of that app to limit bandwith used by other programs/commands? |
| 16:54.12 | stew | SamuraiDio: trickle? |
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| 16:54.58 | stew | Zmax: "dpkg -S filename" if the file is currently installed, if it is not installed, /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:55.02 | vokimon | contributors of http://clam.iua.upf.edu are interested in puting the packages into debian |
| 16:55.10 | vokimon | we already have the packages |
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| 16:55.23 | vokimon | and some debian maintainers did some fixes to them |
| 16:55.35 | stew | vokimon: if you are looking for a sponsor for you packages, try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors |
| 16:55.49 | vokimon | but they are not able to finnish the process |
| 16:56.04 | jello | vokimon: what's the problem? |
| 16:56.09 | vokimon | stew: just a maintainer |
| 16:56.11 | stew | vokimon: then file an RFP in order to request that someone else be maintainer, /msg dpkg RFP ; /msg dpkg wnpp |
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| 16:56.16 | Zmax | stew: this file is "/usr/bin/javac". The problem is that dpkg -S /usr/bin/javac does not found any package. Is this normal? |
| 16:56.29 | jello | Zmax: it's an alternative |
| 16:56.32 | vokimon | stew: oh, thanks |
| 16:56.37 | jello | provided by many packages |
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| 16:56.52 | Zmax | jello: ? |
| 16:56.56 | dcestari | stew: I c, thanks anyway |
| 16:56.57 | stew | Zmax: yes, /usr/bin/javac is a symlink into the alternatives system, "readlink -f /usr/bin/javac" to see where it is currently pointing, or use update-java-alternatives to select a new alternative |
| 16:57.13 | stew | Zmax: you might also look at update-altenatives |
| 16:57.18 | SamuraiDio | stew, thats it, thanks |
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| 16:58.51 | dcestari | anyone using firefox + adobe flash? |
| 16:59.03 | vokimon | jello: the problem was shortage of time, because too much packages or just professionally |
| 16:59.24 | vokimon | but i guess the packages need very few work |
| 16:59.26 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, here |
| 16:59.45 | jello | i don't understand what you're saying, can you provide more context? |
| 16:59.47 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, flash player, you mean, right? |
| 16:59.49 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: hello, I can't use it, firefox refuses tu use flashplayer it uses swfdec :S |
| 16:59.53 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: yes. |
| 17:00.06 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, how did you instaled it? |
| 17:00.17 | wouterrr | Oke. I've been busy trying to fix this a couple of days. I try to combine spamassassin and exim4. i've started exim4 in debugging mode and i see it's requesting the results from the spamc daemon |
| 17:00.24 | wouterrr | It's accepted however! |
| 17:00.26 | vokimon | jello: have you asked what is the problem? |
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| 17:00.33 | jello | vokimon: yeah |
| 17:00.34 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, and what debian version? |
| 17:00.37 | wouterrr | It should not be accepted, because it exceeds the limit configured in the configurationf ile. |
| 17:00.57 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: lenny, lastest. |
| 17:00.59 | vokimon | jello: i was explaining why the deb-developers that were involved in the packages quited |
| 17:01.09 | jello | which packages? |
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| 17:01.18 | vokimon | i mean, i don't think is a question the packages are too hard |
| 17:01.26 | Zmax | stew, jello, thanks, it worked |
| 17:01.34 | vokimon | jello: http://clam.iua.upf.edu |
| 17:01.37 | vokimon | CLAM ones |
| 17:01.42 | jello | wouterrr: see http://www.win.tue.nl/~martijna/Debianstuff/ |
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| 17:02.56 | jello | vokimon: so, the debian packages were orphaned? |
| 17:03.00 | Zmax | hm, not really worked |
| 17:03.14 | vokimon | jello: no really, they didn't get into debian |
| 17:03.23 | wouterrr | jello: i've used that guide, it just does not _work_ |
| 17:03.39 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, i'm updating my system just now, so i don't know for sure what is the correct package, but i think it is flashplayer-mozilla |
| 17:03.49 | vokimon | jello: we built ourselves with some help of those debian developers |
| 17:03.50 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, install that and restart iceweasel |
| 17:03.54 | jello | wouterrr: use postfix instead? :) |
| 17:03.54 | Zmax | I use etch, but I'd like to use java6 instead of java5, so I picked out them from the backports. But, I cannot understand why does eclipse is still using java5 |
| 17:04.10 | vokimon | jello: but they are too busy now and the quited |
| 17:04.16 | wouterrr | jello: ..... |
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| 17:04.29 | vokimon | jello: so we need someone else to help us and bring them to debian |
| 17:04.33 | yaaar | word |
| 17:04.41 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: yes, I've allready done that, but it preffers swfdec so ignores my flashplayer, and if I try to remove swfdec, gnome tryes to go too, as a dependency. |
| 17:04.44 | Zmax | stew, do you know why? |
| 17:04.56 | vokimon | jello: or becoming developers ourselves but that would be harder, i guess, and longer |
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| 17:05.13 | jello | vokimon: yes, you should file RFP bug against wnpp |
| 17:05.17 | yaaar | anybody round here use apt-proxy? I just installed it and edited the config file....but I don't see any place to set the cache size. That seems very odd... |
| 17:05.30 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, so remove gnome, why would you need it? :D |
| 17:05.33 | stew | Zmax: what does "readlink -f $(which java)" return? |
| 17:05.59 | jello | wouterrr left, huh? |
| 17:06.15 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, try removing swfdec-mozilla and no swf-dec |
| 17:06.19 | Zmax | stew: actually, /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/jre/bin/java |
| 17:06.55 | stew | Zmax: and what about "readlink -f $(which javac)" ? |
| 17:07.11 | Zmax | stew, /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.07/bin/javac |
| 17:07.30 | stew | Zmax: i don't know |
| 17:07.51 | Zmax | no matter stew, thanks :) |
| 17:09.23 | jello | yaaar: did you try google? |
| 17:09.46 | vokimon | jello: i used reportbug to do that, but now i am in ubuntu, is there any other interface? |
| 17:10.21 | jello | vokimon: just send an email to submit@bugs.debian.org in the proper format |
| 17:10.30 | jello | vokimon: see bugs.debian.org |
| 17:10.41 | vokimon | jello: thanks again |
| 17:11.12 | jello | vokimon: np |
| 17:11.58 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: it takes swfdec with it and then gnome hehe. |
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| 17:12.36 | SamuraiDio | hmmm |
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| 17:13.26 | yaaar | jello: of course i googled it. |
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| 17:14.01 | yaaar | jello: the only thing i found was a mailing list entry from 2003 saying the option didn't exist yet but was on the to-do list. it's been 5 years... |
| 17:14.22 | magyar_ | does lenny has a html editor package? |
| 17:15.01 | jello | yaaar: sorry, i don't think it's there yet |
| 17:15.29 | yaaar | darn. that seems like a real no-brainer |
| 17:15.49 | yaaar | in fact it seems crazy to build a caching proxy without it |
| 17:15.54 | jello | magyar_: quite a few... |
| 17:16.14 | jello | yaaar: loop mount a file and point your cache dir there ? |
| 17:16.51 | yaaar | jello: yeah, that might work. thakns |
| 17:16.55 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, ls -l ~/.mozilla/plugins/ |
| 17:17.01 | magyar_ | jello, can you throw a few at me |
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| 17:17.29 | acidslep | in what even would the system speaker in a laptop not work? |
| 17:17.33 | acidslep | it does not work in either of my seconds |
| 17:17.40 | acidslep | either of my laptops |
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| 17:18.00 | inflex | j #ubuntu |
| 17:18.01 | cahoot | pcspkr loaded? |
| 17:18.04 | inflex | damn |
| 17:18.07 | jello | magyar_: use the debtag search |
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| 17:18.10 | acidslep | pcspkr? |
| 17:18.11 | jello | magyar_: http://debtags.alioth.debian.org/ssearch.html |
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| 17:18.17 | acidslep | kernel module? |
| 17:18.21 | cahoot | right |
| 17:18.26 | acidslep | ty :) |
| 17:18.27 | dcestari | nothing |
| 17:18.30 | jello | magyar_: you'll want works-with-format::html & use::editing |
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| 17:18.34 | acidslep | #system |
| 17:18.35 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: nothing |
| 17:18.41 | acidslep | sorry |
| 17:18.43 | jello | magyar_: is ee 50 of them... |
| 17:19.02 | cognitiaclaeves | how do I get a list of installed packages? apt-cache search python --installed seems to be returning more than expected. Do I just have more versions of Python installed than I thought? |
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| 17:19.30 | jello | cognitiaclaeves: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 17:19.58 | cognitiaclaeves | dpkg ... ok. Thanks, jello. |
| 17:19.58 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, cognitiaclaeves |
| 17:20.07 | cognitiaclaeves | heh |
| 17:20.32 | magyar_ | jello, thank you |
| 17:21.04 | simonrvn | ^i even |
| 17:21.10 | simonrvn | er, ^.i |
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| 17:23.30 | jello | simonrvn: true |
| 17:23.59 | jello | magyar_: yw |
| 17:23.59 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, check in Iceweasel, on Menu -> Edit -> Preferences, on Programs |
| 17:24.20 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, check if you can change the program that open swf files |
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| 17:25.03 | fbc | What log would I find cron job failures in? |
| 17:25.03 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: oh, didn't know that menu, thanks, let me check |
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| 17:25.31 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, i didn't know too :P |
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| 17:25.39 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: hehe. |
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| 17:26.01 | acidslep | um |
| 17:26.04 | acidslep | hi ^^ |
| 17:26.41 | ma3x | when i do ls -la i see blue text with green background what does that mean? |
| 17:27.14 | acidslep | pcspkr is loaded, still no sound, does it matter that im using a laptop? |
| 17:27.15 | jello | fbc: usually they're emailed to you, if cron is properly configured |
| 17:27.41 | jello | acidslep: is it muted? |
| 17:27.51 | acidslep | like, with a hardware butan? |
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| 17:28.29 | acidslep | well, i dont think its muted |
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| 17:28.46 | jello | no in the sw mixer |
| 17:28.52 | jello | acidslep: check alsamixer |
| 17:28.58 | acidslep | dont have alsa installed |
| 17:29.00 | ma3x | wtf is this |
| 17:29.02 | acidslep | should i? |
| 17:29.03 | jello | make sure it's not muted and volume is up |
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| 17:29.07 | ma3x | when i do ls -lah as normal user is see this ?--------- ? ? ? ? |
| 17:29.08 | jello | acidslep: well, you should :) |
| 17:29.15 | ma3x | when i do ls -lah as root i see the proper privileges |
| 17:29.38 | acidslep | well, i installed it on my other lappy, on #alsa they just told me i was silly cause the version is old, but all my repos are fresh |
| 17:29.45 | acidslep | but ok, ill install |
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| 17:30.33 | jello | acidslep: or use aumix |
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| 17:30.38 | jello | or some other sw mixer |
| 17:31.28 | acidslep | oh, damn |
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| 17:31.35 | acidslep | oh well i need to able to play audio |
| 17:31.53 | acidslep | will it load the alsa driver itself? |
| 17:32.08 | jello | acidslep: what version are you running? |
| 17:32.31 | acidslep | version of |
| 17:32.33 | acidslep | deb? |
| 17:32.45 | dcestari | SamuraiDio: doesn't work :( |
| 17:32.46 | jello | acidslep: Debian version and kernel version |
| 17:33.17 | acidslep | 2.6.18 etch |
| 17:33.17 | jello | acidslep: cat /etc/debian_version; uname -a |
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| 17:33.26 | acidslep | oh |
| 17:33.31 | acidslep | ok lemme check |
| 17:33.43 | SamuraiDio | !test |
| 17:33.43 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 17:33.55 | acidslep | 4.0 |
| 17:33.58 | SamuraiDio | !flash-player |
| 17:34.03 | SamuraiDio | !flash |
| 17:34.03 | dpkg | from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 17:34.15 | jello | SamuraiDio: don't litter the channel, just /msg dpkg <whatever> |
| 17:34.23 | SamuraiDio | !tell dcestari about flash |
| 17:34.30 | SamuraiDio | jello, ok, sorry |
| 17:34.32 | ma3x | any idea what this is |
| 17:34.33 | jello | np |
| 17:34.34 | ma3x | rtorrent: Could not lock session directory: "/home/ma3x/.session/", held by "<error>". |
| 17:34.49 | acidslep | heh, thats interesting |
| 17:35.07 | jello | acidslep: so do you have alsa installed? what are you using for sound? |
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| 17:35.23 | acidslep | nada |
| 17:35.24 | acidslep | no sound |
| 17:35.28 | jello | ma3x: that's strange |
| 17:35.30 | acidslep | im installing alsa now |
| 17:35.36 | ma3x | jello: maybe the permissions are wrong??? |
| 17:35.39 | ma3x | 600? |
| 17:35.41 | fat-lobyte | Hi! I am trying to set up an apt proxy. However I fail to import the packages from my apt cache. I get a billion lines all saying something like this: http://paste.debian.net/13605/ |
| 17:35.41 | fat-lobyte | The manpage only said "apt-get update" "apt-proxy-import /var/cache/apt/archives/", and thats what I did. Does anybody have an Idea how to fix this? |
| 17:35.48 | Madhat | how do you join a wlan0 connection with spaces and ' in the name? |
| 17:35.58 | acidslep | should i run alsaconf? |
| 17:36.29 | jello | acidslep: i don't think you need to |
| 17:36.32 | acidslep | ok |
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| 17:37.10 | KDE4000 | how can i remove coreutils ? , i tried to force removal, but didnt work... |
| 17:37.21 | jello | Madhat: escape the ' using \' perhaps |
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| 17:37.26 | jello | KDE4000: you don't what to do that |
| 17:37.34 | KDE4000 | jello: i do |
| 17:37.41 | jello | why pray tell |
| 17:37.47 | themill | KDE4000: does the name "coreutils" give you a hint as to why you don't want to? |
| 17:37.48 | KDE4000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:37.48 | KDE4000 | dpkg: error processing dpkg_1.14.20_i386.deb (--install): |
| 17:37.48 | dpkg | kde4000: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
| 17:38.09 | jello | KDE4000: dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:38.16 | jello | and post the output to pastebin |
| 17:38.30 | KDE4000 | ah i need to install some depenencies |
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| 17:38.39 | jello | KDE4000: then run: apt-get install -f |
| 17:38.43 | themill | !wayttd KDE4000 |
| 17:38.43 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, KDE4000? |
| 17:38.45 | KDE4000 | no apt yet :) |
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| 17:38.54 | jello | WTF??? |
| 17:39.01 | KDE4000 | im building debian from scratch |
| 17:39.08 | jello | KDE4000: use debootstrap |
| 17:39.09 | themill | right... |
| 17:39.25 | acidslep | !LFS |
| 17:39.25 | dpkg | i heard lfs is large file support -- http://www.suse.de/~aj/linux_lfs.html, or ask me about <linux from scratch> |
| 17:39.36 | acidslep | oh, i meant linux from scratch >< |
| 17:39.38 | jandark | Hi I don't know why box can't detect my camera storage :( any one can help me ? here is logs http://pastebin.com/m1b160385 |
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| 17:40.08 | KDE4000 | but i cant install sed cause it requires dpkg and cant build dpkg cause of circular depenency :) |
| 17:40.15 | jello | jandark: looks good, do you have a device in /dev for it? |
| 17:40.16 | acidslep | heh |
| 17:40.29 | jandark | jello, no |
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| 17:41.12 | jandark | jello, I run fdisk -l but just show my hard |
| 17:41.25 | jello | jandark: that won't show it to you |
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| 17:41.38 | greeg | hi |
| 17:41.48 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, you may want to install gnome-desktop-enviroment and remove gnome, the gnome package usually installs a set of useless things |
| 17:42.01 | jello | jandark: ls -l /dev/[sh]d* |
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| 17:42.03 | KDE4000 | see http://pastebin.com/d5ca8acbc |
| 17:42.35 | SamuraiDio | dcestari, also, you can select alternatives and resolve dependencies by hand using the aptitude interface, just take care |
| 17:43.20 | jandark | jello, http://pastebin.com/m6e843661 ( I have an other storage in sda) |
| 17:43.21 | jello | KDE4000: why are you doing this and what is the machine currently running? |
| 17:43.58 | KDE4000 | jello: im building a debian based system, i did LFS /tools dir, install dpkg to / in chroot and now installin debian base utilitys |
| 17:44.05 | jello | jandark: ok, so it looks like that device was not detected as a USB mass-storage device |
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| 17:44.16 | KDE4000 | jello:im gonna change abunch of packages later on, but i want base so far to be debian |
| 17:44.27 | jello | KDE4000: why not use the debian-installer? |
| 17:44.36 | KDE4000 | jello: i want my own distro |
| 17:44.39 | jandark | jello, but in some PC esh it showed device ! :D |
| 17:44.53 | jello | jandark: yes, but not as a mass-storage device |
| 17:45.08 | jandark | jello, in some my friends laptop works but some where don't work ! |
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| 17:45.33 | jello | KDE4000: so what? get the base down, then customize... :) |
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| 17:45.46 | KDE4000 | jello: im doing base now, but sed conflict |
| 17:46.24 | jandark | jello, thanks :) |
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| 17:48.30 | jello | jandark: you probably need to add a udev rule for this |
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| 17:48.51 | acidslep | jello tell me when you have time for me :) |
| 17:49.09 | jello | ask away, i multitask |
| 17:49.48 | acidslep | on both my laptops, with alsa installed and pcspkr loaded, i have yet to produce a simple beep |
| 17:50.14 | acidslep | rl whats the device for sound in /dev? |
| 17:50.17 | jello | acidslep: did you unmute? |
| 17:50.17 | acidslep | dsp? |
| 17:50.23 | acidslep | yes |
| 17:50.36 | abrotman | acidslep: all channels? |
| 17:50.40 | acidslep | yes |
| 17:50.49 | jello | acidslep: did alsa detect your sound hw properly? |
| 17:50.54 | acidslep | does that even matter for simple system beep? |
| 17:50.59 | acidslep | ummm |
| 17:51.07 | acidslep | seemed to, it told me the name of the chipset |
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| 17:52.09 | acidslep | anything im missing? |
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| 17:52.46 | abrotman | yes, the alsa levels matter for the beep |
| 17:52.49 | acidslep | okie |
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| 17:52.58 | acidslep | so it wouldent have worked without it? |
| 17:53.01 | abrotman | well .. in xterm it does .. maybe not the console? |
| 17:53.10 | fbc | jello, that only happens on cpanel setup from what I understand. I just have a simple crontab entry, and would like a simple way to know it's running a php script. The script run perfectly with php /path/to/script.php but I'm wondering if maybe it requires admin access to run and I don't know because I see no error. |
| 17:54.45 | acidslep | holy crap it works! |
| 17:54.49 | acidslep | yay for sytem beep! |
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| 17:55.13 | greeg | hi |
| 17:55.27 | greeg | im not getting any sound on flash web sites. i do when playing vlc. |
| 17:55.46 | greeg | when i enable arts in sound systme on kcontrol, i get this error on stdout. http://rafb.net/p/8Bi9Qu73.html |
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| 17:56.16 | jello | acidslep: good for you :) |
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| 17:57.37 | jello | fbc: no, regular user crontab will email the user any output to stdin |
| 17:57.41 | jello | er, stdout |
| 17:57.47 | acidslep | ok now to the other lappy, i bet you can fix it jello :) |
| 17:57.51 | acidslep | you got the magic touch |
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| 17:58.31 | KDE4000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.31 | KDE4000 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:59.00 | KDE4000 | no re-install flag? |
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| 17:59.14 | jello | KDE4000: --reinstall ? |
| 17:59.23 | KDE4000 | its not in the help file |
| 17:59.40 | KDE4000 | dpkg: unknown option --reinstall |
| 17:59.40 | dpkg | KDE4000: I don't know, could you explain it? |
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| 17:59.51 | jello | KDE4000: bah |
| 17:59.53 | fbc | jello, it there something I can put the php that will touch a file so that I can tell when it last ran? |
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| 18:00.36 | jello | brb |
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| 18:02.37 | holycow | sid is testing or unstable? |
| 18:03.58 | rahul | !sid |
| 18:03.58 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 18:03.59 | simonrvn | it's always unstable. hasn't changed in years. |
| 18:04.20 | KDE4000 | also: install-info(/usr/share/info/sed.info): no default file /usr/share/base-files/info.dir available, giving up. |
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| 18:04.36 | KDE4000 | (i removed sed from dpkg status file, still the same) |
| 18:04.50 | simonrvn | why did you do that? |
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| 18:05.01 | KDE4000 | i need sed for coreutils |
| 18:05.19 | simonrvn | ... no, remove it from the status file |
| 18:05.33 | KDE4000 | read that it should help |
| 18:05.46 | simonrvn | help break it |
| 18:05.51 | jello | fbc: i'm sure you could, but i don't know php... |
| 18:05.52 | KDE4000 | i have backup too |
| 18:05.54 | KDE4000 | dpkg: error processing sed (--configure): |
| 18:05.54 | KDE4000 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.54 | dpkg | kde4000: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 18:06.27 | simonrvn | leaves before he starts yelling |
| 18:06.39 | KDE4000 | eg : http://pastebin.com/d5c4aef0a |
| 18:07.01 | KDE4000 | install-info is causing problems |
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| 18:07.50 | jello | KDE4000: you really should use debian-installer |
| 18:07.58 | jello | you would have been done half an hour ago... |
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| 18:08.05 | flavior | hi, im trying to compile ftdi module (the one that goes with the distro doesnt work) and im receiving this error: http://pastebin.com/m5b46f65a |
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| 18:08.38 | ArthurArchnix | Is the openssl vulnerability an embarassing thing for Debian? Or could it of happened to any-distro? |
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| 18:09.47 | jello | ArthurArchnix: what kind of answer are you expecting from #debian?? |
| 18:10.10 | fbc | jello, touch($FileName) |
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| 18:10.32 | jello | ArthurArchnix: i'd suggest you read the LWN writeup on what/how/why it happened and draw your own conclusions |
| 18:10.35 | fbc | jello, not too shabby.. I might even make it as a php programmer some day. |
| 18:10.39 | ArthurArchnix | Umm... I dunno. I don't know much about it. It's the topic. And I've seen people mocking debian because of it (well, reading people mocking it). I don't really know what to say to them. |
| 18:10.53 | ArthurArchnix | jello... that sounds good. LWN writeup? |
| 18:11.03 | stew | ArthurArchnix: say "i don't know much about it" |
| 18:11.09 | jello | ArthurArchnix: ArthurArchnix http://lwn.net/Articles/282038/ |
| 18:11.14 | ArthurArchnix | I don't know much about openssl |
| 18:11.22 | ArthurArchnix | !I don't know much about it |
| 18:11.29 | halflife08 | hello folks what is the easiest way to figure out how many files are there on a reiserfs partitiion without running a find , inode count ? |
| 18:12.00 | jello | halflife08: ls -1R /mount-point | wc -l |
| 18:12.15 | flavior | hi, im trying to compile ftdi module (the one that goes with the distro doesnt work) and im receiving this error: http://pastebin.com/m5b46f65a |
| 18:12.25 | jello | but if you've mounted anything under it, that would work |
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| 18:12.31 | jello | s/would/won't/ |
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| 18:13.08 | acidslep | back! |
| 18:13.18 | halflife08 | jello: the file system potentially has thousands of files in each directory, so ls is gonna a long time just as find, i am trying to see if i can get it an easier way |
| 18:13.26 | jello | hides from acidslep :) |
| 18:13.43 | acidslep | heehee |
| 18:13.57 | jello | halflife08: i don't think it's stored as a counter anywhere, but i'm no rieserfs guru |
| 18:14.24 | cr3rzemjest | hi what to do if i have not found headers during compiling? |
| 18:14.32 | cr3rzemjest | like this: http://rafb.net/p/avLqPz15.html |
| 18:14.34 | cr3rzemjest | etc. etc. |
| 18:15.21 | flavior | hi, im trying to compile ftdi module (the one that goes with the distro doesnt work) and im receiving this error: http://pastebin.com/m5b46f65a |
| 18:15.52 | ArthurArchnix | jello hmm... so that's the cause of it. ok. Well, it's especially strange then that I read an ubuntuforums staff member post that he wouldn't use debian because of the ssl vulnerability. At least according to the article, ubuntu was directly affected as well. |
| 18:16.11 | ArthurArchnix | Obviously a lot of people were indirectly affected. |
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| 18:19.21 | jello | flavior: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:20.27 | flavior | jello, ive already did this |
| 18:20.28 | jello | ArthurArchnix: yes, ubuntu was affected too |
| 18:20.41 | jello | flavior: well then, you should have the headers installed |
| 18:20.48 | halflife08 | jello: is it possible to tell the number of files in the directory without running an ls in it, say from the output of ls -ld somedirectory, can i tell number of files it has ? |
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| 18:21.41 | jello | halflife08: i don't think so |
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| 18:21.55 | flavior | jello, yes, any other tip? :\ |
| 18:22.15 | jello | flavior: how are you compiling? using kernel-package? |
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| 18:23.25 | flavior | jello, just typing make in a ftdi_sio folder that i've download |
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| 18:24.03 | jello | flavior: post the Makefile |
| 18:24.19 | flavior | jello, ok |
| 18:24.31 | halflife08 | jello: thanks |
| 18:24.40 | Lagbolt | flavior, do you have to run a configure script first? |
| 18:24.58 | KDE4000 | i fixed my debian build :))) |
| 18:25.00 | jello | prob not for a kernel module |
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| 18:25.13 | BramuS | how can i reboot a debian machine from sshd |
| 18:25.28 | Lagbolt | from? |
| 18:25.41 | flavior | no Lagbolt, the folder that i unpacked has one Makefile |
| 18:25.43 | Lagbolt | sshd? you are ssh to a machine that you want to reboot? |
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| 18:25.57 | flavior | jello, the makefile http://pastebin.com/m4da3e47c |
| 18:26.08 | rwaite | to the best of everyone's knowledge, is there a filesystem with copy on write functionality? |
| 18:26.20 | jello | rwaite: sure |
| 18:26.28 | flavior | Lagbolt, jello, the driver link; http://www.ftdichip.com/Drivers/VCP/Linux/ftdi_sio.tar.gz |
| 18:26.30 | jello | !unionfs |
| 18:26.30 | dpkg | from memory, unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
| 18:26.32 | rwaite | jello: ? |
| 18:26.36 | rwaite | oh |
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| 18:27.32 | jello | rwaite: that's just one (common) example, giyf |
| 18:27.34 | rwaite | hmm. any idea if ext? or any of those others may implement it? |
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| 18:30.42 | Lagbolt | flavior, looks like missing a header file |
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| 18:31.07 | dustybin | what command can i use from root to restart xorg ? |
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| 18:32.16 | jello | rwaite: google |
| 18:32.30 | rwaite | shut the fuck up |
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| 18:32.50 | stew | rwaite: if you don't like the help you are getting something, use /ignore |
| 18:33.08 | rwaite | alright. |
| 18:33.23 | ArthurArchnix | !ideas > rwaite |
| 18:33.25 | jello | dustybin: restart xorg? you mean like kdm or something? |
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| 18:33.39 | ArthurArchnix | damn |
| 18:33.52 | dustybin | jello: im using fluxbox on my server |
| 18:33.54 | jello | stew: too late, i just ignored him |
| 18:34.06 | BramuS | yes lagbolt |
| 18:34.10 | BramuS | i'm on ssh on a server |
| 18:34.10 | jello | dustybin: and how do you start X? startx? xdm? |
| 18:34.14 | Lagbolt | BramuS, ?? oh right |
| 18:34.14 | BramuS | but need to restart the box |
| 18:34.23 | dustybin | jello: its done automatically with rungetty |
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| 18:34.32 | dustybin | its my mythtv box |
| 18:34.35 | Lagbolt | BramuS, do you have root access or privileges for restarting? |
| 18:34.36 | stew | BramuS: run the "reboot" command |
| 18:34.42 | Lagbolt | BramuS, yeah if so reboot :) |
| 18:34.44 | BramuS | i have root |
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| 18:34.49 | Lagbolt | BramuS, or shutdown -r now |
| 18:34.51 | BramuS | ok and a 2nd question |
| 18:34.55 | sly007 | Hello, do i need to apply linux-patch-debian to linux-source? |
| 18:34.59 | dustybin | /etc/init.d/xorg restart |
| 18:35.03 | jello | dustybin: if it set to respawn, just kill it |
| 18:35.06 | BramuS | i have configured eth0 in the /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:35.10 | stew | sly007: it has already been applied to linux-source |
| 18:35.12 | dustybin | ok.. |
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| 18:35.14 | BramuS | but when i changed the ip and did restart |
| 18:35.23 | BramuS | it gave eth0 an ipv6 ip and gave eth0:0 the ipv4 ip |
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| 18:35.38 | Lagbolt | why do people break up their thoughts between so many lines???? |
| 18:35.40 | BramuS | how can i get rid of the ipv6 ip and get the ipv4 ip on eth0 instead of eth0:0 |
| 18:35.41 | crweb | Is there Xshape extension in debian somewhere ? |
| 18:35.54 | sly007 | stew: what's the difference between apt-get source linux-major and apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 18:36.01 | sly007 | (forget about the versions) |
| 18:36.55 | deus___ | bye, see you later ;) |
| 18:36.57 | Lagbolt | BramuS, not sure about that one. |
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| 18:38.22 | stew | sly007: apt-get source would install the linux-2.6 source package, which rebuilt, would build the linux-source-$version package, multiple linux-image-$version pacckages, muleiple linux-headers-$version packages, and multiple meta-packages. if all you want to do is produce a single new kernel package or kernel+headers packages, use linux-source + make-kpkg from kernel-package: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 18:38.42 | stew | BramuS: edit /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:40.05 | becki | i think there's a broken link on the debian site. the link to the referenc card doesn't work. does this reference card still exist? |
| 18:40.26 | jello | becki: which link, on which page? |
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| 18:40.35 | jello | yes it exists |
| 18:40.40 | jelly | jello: copycat! |
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| 18:40.53 | jelly | winks |
| 18:41.12 | stew | http://www.debian.org/doc/ links to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ which works |
| 18:41.24 | stew | oh reference card |
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| 18:41.53 | stew | yeah, the reference card link points to http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ which works |
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| 18:42.39 | becki | jello: http://www.debian.org/doc/ |
| 18:42.44 | linuxjones513 | so i started up my debian box today, and it seems as if the cfdisk thing failed, and all the terminal text turned red and it said it was putting me in maintence mode, but it will not let me log in, i type a user name and it just asks me for another, am i missing something here? |
| 18:42.49 | becki | the link to the refernce card |
| 18:42.50 | becki | oh |
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| 18:43.24 | becki | ceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at people.debian.org. |
| 18:43.25 | becki | hmpf |
| 18:43.56 | Lagbolt | linuxjones513, cfdisk thing? this a new install? what did you do with cfdisk? |
| 18:44.51 | stew | becki: what does "getent hosts people.debian.org" return? |
| 18:44.52 | pickcoder | oops... looks like libc6-dev is missing on ftp.debian.org |
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| 18:44.57 | BramuS | steven |
| 18:44.59 | BramuS | stew |
| 18:45.02 | pickcoder | runs update |
| 18:45.13 | BramuS | in /etc/network/interfaces it is stated that it should run as eth0 |
| 18:45.14 | becki | it tells me an IP |
| 18:45.31 | becki | but a ping doesn't work |
| 18:45.35 | BramuS | but some how it gives an ipv6 ip on that interface and it gives the ipv4 set on eth0 on eth0:0 |
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| 18:45.55 | stew | BramuS: show us the contents of /etc/network/interfaces ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:46.11 | mrec | hi, has anyone ever had following error when compiling vlc: You should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'? |
| 18:46.25 | becki | stew: it says: 192.25.206.10 people.debian.org ; ping says: host unreacheable |
| 18:46.43 | mrec | it's not clear how to solve that issue, the error message is more or less nonsense |
| 18:46.51 | jello | becki: pings fine for me |
| 18:46.56 | stew | becki: you might try traceroute to see where the problem is. that is the correct ip, and it should be pingable |
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| 18:47.10 | jello | fw issue? |
| 18:47.18 | stew | mrec: why are you compiling vlc? are you recompiling the debian package? |
| 18:47.42 | BramuS | http://pastebin.com/d75f9b9bb |
| 18:48.00 | becki | traceroute doesn't complain. bust it shows me just my 2 routers... |
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| 18:48.17 | mrec | stew: I have to, there are some special patches in there in this version |
| 18:48.43 | linuxjones513 | sorry, i was mistaken, i ment fsck, and it all started when i came back from vacation and my roomates had messed with my computer, the xserver wouldnt start, so all this is happening in single user mode, and it says fsck failed with error code 4, and then it spits out alot of stuff that means nothing to me, and ends with kernel panic- not syncing: fatal exception in interrupt |
| 18:48.49 | stew | becki: then the problem is with your router. it should show you a lot more than just your routers (like every router in between you and people.debian.org) |
| 18:48.54 | linuxjones513 | i think they broke it |
| 18:49.09 | mrec | I can fiddle around and will get it work by removing the cflags from the configure option (which makes no sense either since the configure syntax would be correctly) |
| 18:49.17 | becki | yes, but i'm wondering why it doesn't work. all other internet addresses work fine |
| 18:49.24 | mrec | seems like that evil automake doesn't work with it |
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| 18:50.59 | stew | mrec: why not patch and rebuild the debian package? |
| 18:51.20 | stew | mrec: have you tried adding the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'? |
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| 18:56.31 | mrec | stew: well there are a bunch of patches I basically cannot get that crappy vlc compiled the normal way |
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| 18:58.10 | stew | mrec: why can't you get it compiled? what is "the normal way"? |
| 18:58.45 | mrec | the makefiles have to be modified as soon as I touch the bootstrap script the source won't compile through anymore |
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| 18:58.58 | mrec | the bootstrap script generates the config files |
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| 18:59.26 | mrec | but the error message is very likely automake related |
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| 19:00.03 | mrec | writing assembly code is easier than having an overview about that weird buildsystem |
| 19:00.06 | stew | mrec: why are you running the bootstrap script? |
| 19:00.14 | ma3x | long long packages stay in testing before moving to stable? |
| 19:00.26 | mrec | to regenerate the configuration files which are needed for generating the makefiles |
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| 19:00.33 | avu | ma3x, packages don't move from testing to stable |
| 19:00.38 | mrfree | hi all, following this howto http://www.cse.ohio-state.edu/~bondhugu/alsamch.shtml on my lenny the rear right channel doesn't work |
| 19:00.41 | avu | ma3x, testing *becomes* stable at one point |
| 19:00.48 | mrfree | "some older versions of ALSA have a problem with the rear right channel; so upgrade in that case." |
| 19:00.54 | stew | mrec: the package comes with the configuration files/makefiles |
| 19:00.58 | mrfree | I've just updated kenny |
| 19:01.02 | mrfree | s/kenny/lenny |
| 19:01.02 | ma3x | avu: at what point? |
| 19:01.13 | avu | ma3x, at the point testing is declared stable :) |
| 19:01.16 | stew | ma3x: when there are no Release Critical bugs in testing that are marked "lenny-ignore" |
| 19:01.21 | avu | ma3x, which is 'when it is ready' |
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| 19:01.30 | stew | that *aren't* marked "lenny-ignore" rather |
| 19:01.48 | ma3x | but if you estimate from the past few moves, how long does it usually take? half year? year? |
| 19:02.00 | stew | ma3x: between 1.5 and 5 years |
| 19:02.27 | ma3x | wow holy cow |
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| 19:04.10 | pickcoder | ma3x: that goes to show how much buggy software is out there |
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| 19:04.34 | stew | well i guess the longest so far was about 3 years |
| 19:04.39 | ma3x | i want to quickly change 'etch' lines in /etc/apt/souces.list to 'testing' and install xorg and lib mesa dri. it says The following packages will be REMOVED: build-essential g++ g++-4.1 libasound2-dev libc6-dev libncurses5-dev libssp0 libstdc++6-4.1-dev The following NEW packages will be installed: cpp-4.3 gcc-4.3 gcc-4.3-base libgomp1 libmpfr1ldbl x11-apps x11-session-utils x11-utils x11-xfs-utils x11-xkb-utils x11-xserver-utils xauth xinit |
| 19:04.50 | ma3x | do you think it's a good idea or a bad idea? |
| 19:05.02 | pickcoder | ma3x: bpo doesn't have it? |
| 19:05.02 | stew | ma3x: it is a bad idea to try to mix stable and testing |
| 19:05.18 | ma3x | pickcoder: no, i think backports don't have xorg |
| 19:05.37 | ma3x | stew: ok yeah i've had bad experiences enough |
| 19:05.48 | cr3rzemjest | can somebody help me? i don't get this compilation thing at all! i run ./configure, then make && make install, but i get inifinite numers of errors and not found headers... how do i find out what to install first in order to install what i'm installing? is there a list? |
| 19:06.14 | stew | cr3rzemjest: what are you trying to compile? |
| 19:06.14 | ma3x | pickcoder: how can you check if its in bpo? apt-cache search? |
| 19:06.46 | stew | ma3x: http://packages.debian.org/packagename |
| 19:07.05 | cr3rzemjest | stew, what program...? |
| 19:07.23 | cr3rzemjest | http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/pocketsphinx/ |
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| 19:07.59 | ma3x | stew: what's backport? experimental? |
| 19:08.12 | stew | ma3x: etch-backports |
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| 19:08.27 | ma3x | stew: packages.debian.org won't tell you if there's xorg backport |
| 19:08.37 | cr3rzemjest | how to find out what do i need to install when i get things like :"sphinxbase.c:928: warning: implicit declaration of function PyTraceBack_Here |
| 19:08.37 | cr3rzemjest | sphinxbase.c:930: warning: implicit declaration of function Py_XDECREF |
| 19:08.37 | cr3rzemjest | "... ? |
| 19:08.41 | stew | ma3x: if it doesn't tell you there is one, then there isn't one |
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| 19:09.08 | ma3x | ok |
| 19:09.12 | cr3rzemjest | it seems it found it, but sourcecode is wrong?!? |
| 19:09.22 | stew | ma3x: and no, there isn't a backport of xorg |
| 19:09.51 | pickcoder | 6.9.0 is there |
| 19:09.51 | ma3x | because it's causing system complications? |
| 19:10.08 | stew | pickcoder: that's for sarge, that is older than the version in etch |
| 19:10.08 | pickcoder | http://www.backports.org/debian/pool/main/x/xorg-x11/ |
| 19:10.26 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 19:11.29 | ma3x | pickcoder: X Window System Version 7.1.1 |
| 19:11.35 | ma3x | that's etch's current xorg version |
| 19:11.53 | stew | cr3rzemjest: yes, i'd guess that is not missing dependencies, but broken sourcecode. PyXDECREF would be defined by something in the python-dev package |
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| 19:12.43 | ma3x | stew: can i download the Xorg source and compile/install? would that cause complications just like mixing etch/lenny? |
| 19:12.57 | ma3x | not suggested? |
| 19:13.03 | schoappied | when I boot i get: udev: renamed network interface wmaster0 to eth2... and that take much time... I just need wireless internet |
| 19:13.06 | pickcoder | ma3x: build a backport from lenny |
| 19:13.07 | pickcoder | or sid |
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| 19:13.38 | ma3x | pickcoder: how you do that? |
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| 19:13.48 | pickcoder | ask dpkg about backport |
| 19:13.58 | stew | ma3x: it would be difficult |
| 19:14.00 | ma3x | and would i have to build for every dependency? |
| 19:14.20 | stew | ma3x: it would be very tedious, there are a ton of packages involved |
| 19:14.21 | jelly | ma3x: building and using your own xorg would probably turn out worse than mixing distros |
| 19:14.39 | jelly | ma3x: why do you need newer xorg? |
| 19:14.58 | ma3x | jelly: well vesa running all the time is kinda silly |
| 19:15.04 | ma3x | it doesn't bother me atm |
| 19:15.11 | ma3x | i don't use 3d |
| 19:15.23 | ma3x | but uuhmm why not have it? |
| 19:15.28 | stew | ma3x: what does that have to do with a newer xorg? |
| 19:15.29 | ma3x | jelly: intel stuff you know? |
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| 19:15.45 | jelly | ma3x: which card do you have? |
| 19:15.46 | ma3x | well xorg in etch supports only vesa |
| 19:15.48 | stew | ma3x: there is an intel driver available for etch, but you don't want to use it |
| 19:15.50 | ma3x | gma965 |
| 19:15.57 | stew | ma3x: no, xorg in etch supports your intel card |
| 19:16.00 | ma3x | stew: i can't i get those errors |
| 19:16.05 | bolt | I'm having this exact problem on two machines with etch on them: http://lists.linux-foundation.org/pipermail/bugme-new/2007-January/015669.html <-- System completely freezes when copying lots of files to/from a cifs mount. Reponds to ping, as described, but can't do anything, also as described. Even logging in locally simply hangs. Any ideas? |
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| 19:16.12 | stew | ma3x: yes, and we've told you how to fix them |
| 19:16.14 | ma3x | stew: with 'vesa' only |
| 19:16.24 | ma3x | stew: i've reinstalled already! |
| 19:16.28 | stew | ma3x: yes |
| 19:16.50 | stew | ma3x: what do you mean "with 'vesa' only" |
| 19:16.59 | jelly | ma3x: there is a backported xserver-xorg-video-intel that might work. |
| 19:17.05 | ma3x | xorg starts with 'vesa' driver only |
| 19:17.11 | stew | jelly: it doesn't work becuase he refuses to use a kernel new enough |
| 19:17.11 | ma3x | if you use intel or i810 it won't start |
| 19:17.21 | stew | ma3x: we already told you how to fix that |
| 19:17.25 | ma3x | stew: ah yeah! |
| 19:17.33 | stew | ma3x: please stop wasting people's time |
| 19:17.33 | ma3x | i thought im using the newest already |
| 19:17.49 | schoappied | when I boot i get: udev: renamed network interface wmaster0 to eth2... and that take much time... I just need wireless internet |
| 19:17.55 | unixSnob | i'm trying to remove exim (because I want postfix instead), and the exim removal forces the removal of mutt |
| 19:17.55 | stew | ma3x: no, you aren't. becuase you don't want to use iwl3945 |
| 19:18.06 | jelly | stew: eh, how does 2D xorg driver depend on the kernel? |
| 19:18.21 | ma3x | stew: what's wrong with ipw3945? why did they have to invent this buggy iwl3945? |
| 19:18.37 | stew | jelly: when he tries to use the intel driver with the 2.6.18 kernel he gets errors, when he uses 2.6.24 or 2.6.25 it works |
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| 19:19.24 | stew | unixSnob: just install postfix, and it will remove exim |
| 19:19.34 | stew | unixSnob: there is no need to remove exim first |
| 19:19.44 | dcestari | anyone having a problem with firefox using swfdec rather than flashplayer |
| 19:20.08 | stew | ma3x: ask intel |
| 19:20.33 | stew | ma3x: at least part of the motivation was to get rid of the dependency on the non-free userspace daemon |
| 19:20.35 | ma3x | at least developers could have made ipw3945-modules-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1 |
| 19:20.41 | cahoot | what's so buggy with iwl? |
| 19:20.58 | ma3x | cahoot: dropping packets, signal loss/bad |
| 19:21.10 | cahoot | not here |
| 19:21.25 | stew | ma3x: have you filed a bug about this? |
| 19:21.29 | ma3x | nope |
| 19:21.58 | ma3x | i forgot how to gather useful information |
| 19:22.08 | stew | ma3x: why would the developers put effort into forward porting the ipw driver when it depends on non-free software, and the authors have abandoned it, especially since the developers are providing a completely free replacement |
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| 19:22.41 | stew | ma3x: if the developers don't know about the bugs, then don't expect them to be fixed. and stop complaining about them |
| 19:23.22 | unixSnob | thanks stew! good tip.. i never would have expected that |
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| 19:26.39 | fbc | Is there any way to tell what kind of processor you have from the command line? |
| 19:26.52 | stew | fbc: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 19:26.57 | cahoot | dmidecide f ex |
| 19:27.08 | cahoot | dmidecode |
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| 19:29.21 | fbc | stew, awesome!! Is there any way to limit a processes max cpu usage? |
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| 19:29.46 | horror101 | I cant boot my debian system |
| 19:29.56 | fbc | stew, for example i only want mysqld to consume a maximum of 50% of the cpus resources |
| 19:30.06 | horror101 | I just get an error message from grub saying error 17 |
| 19:30.13 | DustyDingo | fbc: maybe you just want process priorities |
| 19:30.21 | jelly | fbc: not easily, but you can make nice it and let all the other process get mor priority |
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| 19:30.31 | jelly | s/make // |
| 19:31.27 | jelly | fbc: renice +19 `pidof mysqld`, for example, would make all the mysqld process have the lowest priority |
| 19:31.36 | fbc | DustyDingo, jelly, sometimes I run an sql query that causes my apache process to slow down to a near halt. |
| 19:32.06 | pumpkin0 | fbc: "nice" will fix that. |
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| 19:34.49 | fbc | pumpkin0, jelly DustyDingo , I think I broke something all get now is InnoDB: Check that you do not already have another mysqld process |
| 19:34.49 | fbc | InnoDB: using the same InnoDB data or log files. |
| 19:34.49 | fbc | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:35.20 | JW | Anyone here setup openVPN on Debian Etch? |
| 19:35.30 | avu | sure |
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| 19:35.40 | pumpkin0 | fbc: kill, then restart all mysqld processes. |
| 19:35.59 | fbc | pumpkin0, jelly DustyDingo , all I did was type nice -adjustment=19 mysqld |
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| 19:36.06 | JW | avu: have you? |
| 19:36.09 | horror101 | can someone help me |
| 19:36.10 | stew | JW: just ask your real question |
| 19:36.21 | avu | JW, what stew said |
| 19:36.25 | pumpkin0 | fbc: it is RRRREEEEnice, not nice. |
| 19:36.37 | horror101 | I cant get in to my boot loader, grub. It outputs an error 17 |
| 19:36.42 | pumpkin0 | fbc: that launched another sql server. |
| 19:36.56 | JW | yeah right. I have tried followng the web site documentation and it seem that tap0 is never created no matter what I do |
| 19:37.00 | horror101 | this happend after I reset my bios |
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| 19:37.20 | JW | stew, avu: it's too complex to ask in a single question really |
| 19:37.34 | fbc | pumpkin0, ohhh |
| 19:37.56 | JW | stew, avu: I'm trying to setup a VPN and I have a single routed VPN working but I can't make the bridged setup work and I'm stuck - lost inthe documentation |
| 19:38.20 | avu | JW, why do use use tap instead of tun? |
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| 19:38.43 | pumpkin0 | fbc: the nice-value of the process will solve you problem. But to change the nice-value on the fly you want "renice". Now do a "killall mysqld" and relaunch the server. |
| 19:38.49 | fbc | pumpkin0, renice +19 mysqld work just fine |
| 19:38.51 | JW | avu: because, if I understand right (no guaruntee of that) I have to use tap for a bridged VPN and tun for a routed one |
| 19:39.02 | JW | avu: and I'm trying to use bridged |
| 19:39.16 | fbc | pumpkin0, I just did a /etc/init.d/mysqld restart |
| 19:39.28 | avu | JW, ah, yes. I've only ever done routed setups though. |
| 19:39.29 | JW | avu: because my boss wants to be able to easily talk to all machines on our LAN when he's out of the office |
| 19:39.30 | fbc | pumpkin0, That seemed to fix it.. |
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| 19:39.47 | avu | JW, that's no reason to use bridging thoughu |
| 19:39.50 | jelly | JW: I use devices made with tunctl to bridge physical and virtual-machine tun interfaces |
| 19:40.07 | JW | avu: please explain |
| 19:40.14 | pumpkin0 | fbc: yes, that should work. |
| 19:40.20 | JW | jelly tun, and not tap? |
| 19:40.25 | avu | JW, what's there to explain? |
| 19:40.31 | fbc | pumpkin0, DustyDingo jelly , I'm learning more stuff from you guys that most of the books I picked up, do. Thanks guys. |
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| 19:41.20 | jelly | JW: TBH I have no idea what the difference is :-) |
| 19:41.22 | leonardo | Hi all, I'm trying to use wine on debian lenny 64 and i get this error with Miranda IM program |
| 19:41.24 | leonardo | fixme:wininet:NETCON_init can't use SSL, not compiled in. |
| 19:41.26 | JW | avu: you said "that's no reason to use bridged" and from all I read it's incredibly convoluted to use routed setups when you want to reach all hosts on your remote internall LAN |
| 19:41.40 | leonardo | I'm using wine from wine repo |
| 19:41.50 | civillian | JW: you need to define 'reach' |
| 19:41.51 | JW | avu: and the docs seem to suggest using bridged for that kind of setup |
| 19:41.52 | avu | jelly, tap is layer 2, tun layer 3 |
| 19:41.56 | leonardo | and they said is not a problem with wine |
| 19:41.58 | stew | fbc: do you have queries that you run commonly that take a long time? if so, you can probably either improve your query, or create indexes to make the query very fast |
| 19:42.00 | dcestari | !dpkg flashplugin |
| 19:42.00 | dpkg | flash is, like, frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 19:42.03 | leonardo | it's a problem with debian |
| 19:42.03 | avu | jelly, (thernet frames vs. ip packets) |
| 19:42.12 | jelly | avu: ok, so this seems to be tap then |
| 19:42.30 | JW | civillian: I wish I could. Boss has some idea in his head about the Magic VPN that makes your workstation seem to be sitting in your LAN when you're far away. |
| 19:42.31 | leonardo | any idea why the problem happens? |
| 19:42.59 | JW | civillian: I guess he wants to be able to ping, ssh , print, use mysql, connect to LAN web dev sites ETC while he's at a remote location |
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| 19:43.22 | avu | JW, well, it's just basic IP routing... |
| 19:43.23 | civillian | JW: you'll get away with a tun, you need to set a gateway and wins settings in your openvpn config |
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| 19:43.27 | JW | civillian: and we've hot hundreds of hosts so I won't want to mess with the routes on each and every one |
| 19:43.35 | civillian | JW: supernet |
| 19:43.41 | avu | JW, you don't have to |
| 19:44.12 | avu | JW, you just define a netmask of hosts that can be reached through the VPN. as I said, basic and simple IP routing. |
| 19:44.27 | JW | I think I've read so much documentation and I'm totaly confused. |
| 19:44.30 | avu | JW, (one or several netmasks/subnets, obviously) |
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| 19:46.16 | fbc | stew, well, I'm helping an indigenous community in rural mexico learn spanish (the speak huichol), and they are very poor and survive by selling trinkets to the tourists, but their sons and daughter have aspiration of doing more with their lives. SO I setup moodle for them to learn new trades and spanish. |
| 19:46.47 | JW | Is it easier to setup the VPN server on an internal machine and have the incomming VPN traffic forwarded in through the NAT/gateway, or to set it up on a border server that's on both the internal and external networks? |
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| 19:47.35 | avu | JW, the easier setup is the second I guess (obvious, really) |
| 19:47.43 | avu | JW, also, about the routed/bridged thing, see http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/howto.html#vpntype |
| 19:48.01 | JW | avu: I thought so to obut then some folks started telling me I had to configure all this stuff o nthe LAN gatewa/NAT?router anyway |
| 19:48.15 | avu | JW, in general, refer to the official documentation for openvpn, there are many crappy 'howtos' out there and the official stuff is actually quite good |
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| 19:48.49 | JW | avu yeah I already read that link and that's why I tried routed first |
| 19:48.52 | avu | JW, why would you if this 'border server' is already reachable from bot the internet and the LAN? |
| 19:49.26 | JW | avu: you mean why would you mess with the router if you're using a border server? |
| 19:49.33 | avu | JW, yes. |
| 19:49.50 | JW | avu: if that's what you're asking - I thought the same thing but this guy in #openvpn was insisting that I would have to 9doens't make sense to me) |
| 19:50.00 | JW | He had to run so I wasn't able to ask him enough Qs |
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| 19:50.35 | avu | JW, well then either he knew stuff about your setup you didn't tell me or he was wrong I guess |
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| 19:51.15 | JW | avu: trust me I'm not withholding any information |
| 19:51.17 | avu | JW, you keep mentioning NAT, which makes me thing the first might be the case |
| 19:51.51 | avu | JW, 'reachable from the internet' obviously excludes 'behind NAT', right? |
| 19:52.03 | JW | avu: before I answer that question: reading the first few sections of this page is what made me thing I should just use bridged: http://openvpn.net/index.php/documentation/faq.html#bridge1 |
| 19:52.17 | JW | avu: I should point out that every one want to be on 192.168.0.* |
| 19:52.32 | avu | JW, why? |
| 19:52.50 | gribozavr | hi! can i check installed files' integrity? for example, i remember that rpm keeps md5 for each file. anything like this for dpkg or apt? |
| 19:52.58 | avu | gribozavr, debsums |
| 19:53.35 | gribozavr | avu: thanks, will try it now |
| 19:53.37 | JW | why? because the remote client wants to ping/ssh/browse etc to anny host on the LAN at 192.168.0 (which they already are) and want the LAN clients to be able to ping/ssh/browse/whatever him at 192.168.0.x |
| 19:53.52 | civillian | JW: your initial problem was no tap0 |
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| 19:54.09 | civillian | avu is correct, you only need routing / tun |
| 19:54.11 | JW | civillian: that's because I had already decided to use bridging, and I got stuck at no tap0 |
| 19:54.18 | avu | JW, so? except from the fact that the other's will be able to reach him through a different ip, you can do all that with routing |
| 19:54.25 | civillian | but you should have tap0 nontheless |
| 19:54.28 | avu | JW, you don't have to be on the same subnet to talk to each other... |
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| 19:54.38 | civillian | have you tried ifconfig tap0 up? |
| 19:54.40 | JW | civillian: and when I came both here and to #openvpn instead of getting help with the tap0 problem, everyone started telling me "No, use routed, not bridged" :-D |
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| 19:54.43 | avu | JW, if that was the case, the internet wouldn't work ;) |
| 19:55.16 | Dantix | I'm "playing" with ipvsadm, are there any tool to monitors its activity online? |
| 19:55.19 | JW | civillian: if I understand right I won't need a tap0 if I'm using routing |
| 19:55.32 | civillian | no, but to try to solve your original problem |
| 19:55.48 | JW | avu: but you do have to be on the same subnet if you want to talk to each other without a bunch of routeing rules, right? |
| 19:55.57 | Pavlz | hello |
| 19:55.58 | civillian | if openvpn is running properly, all you need to do to 'see' it with ifconfig is 'ifconfig tap0 up' |
| 19:56.09 | civillian | yes |
| 19:56.10 | JW | avu: let me ask a different question: what's "wrong" about everyone being on the same subnet? Is there some reason not to do it that way? |
| 19:56.14 | avu | JW, two 'routing rules' in fact |
| 19:56.22 | civillian | but routing is easy |
| 19:56.39 | JW | civillian: you're kidding me ;-) |
| 19:56.43 | avu | JW, no. |
| 19:56.49 | avu | JW, it's very easy. |
| 19:57.00 | JW | ok wait I'm still trying to read back up a little bit - lease hold on a second |
| 19:57.00 | avu | JW, really very very easy. :-) |
| 19:57.05 | JW | *please |
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| 19:57.44 | avu | JW, also, routing with openvpn is more effienct, scales better and is easier to secure (very easy to distinguish between clients comming from the vpn or from the internal LAN) |
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| 19:58.37 | eyeris | I want to run openvpn under user-mode-linux. UML needs the tun.ko module. However the user-mode-linux packages on Debian don't seem to provide the tun support. Is there something I am missing? Is this possible? |
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| 19:58.51 | JW | avu and civillian: let me start over and ask a few questions - perhaps I'm making a set of bad assumptions |
| 19:59.43 | JW | #1. The remote client can have his own, working internet conenction, through his usual eth0, AND he can have a connection to the VPN server through another interface, at the same time, right? Or am I wrong about that? |
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| 20:00.10 | JW | I should say through eth0 or ppp0, since it will sometimes be ppp0 |
| 20:00.29 | avu | JW, as long as the routing on the client is properly setup, sure |
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| 20:01.10 | avu | JW, (independent on if you use a routed or bridged setup, the routes on the client must beright for it to want to reach the VPN server through the right device) |
| 20:01.10 | JW | meaning as long ad the client know that all traffic destined for 192.168.0.* going through the VPN interface and not through eht0/ppp0 as the case may be. Did I understand that right? |
| 20:01.33 | JW | Please excuse my typos. |
| 20:01.48 | avu | JW, yes. again, both for routed and bridged setups. |
| 20:01.51 | civillian | JW: yes, but you get your very own virtual interface, tun0 |
| 20:02.25 | civillian | JW: and simply add a route for your network over that interface using the openvpn server as the gateway for that route |
| 20:02.27 | JW | civillian: your very own tun0 on the client to route traffic destined for 192.168.0.* though - right? |
| 20:03.01 | civillian | JW: yes, and ensure that your openvpn can reach all the machines that you want to 'see' |
| 20:03.05 | JW | And the tirck is to setup OpenVPN so that it takes that traffic and sends it to the remote VPN server over the Internet connection, right? |
| 20:03.08 | JW | *trick |
| 20:03.24 | avu | JW, that's what openvpn does for you. |
| 20:03.26 | Pavlz | last night i finished to work to the creation of #p54u that is a channel dedicated to FreeBSD for pcmcia card bus wi-fi based on prism54, the #prism54 is for GNU/linux, but there was not one available for FreeBSD, so i created it, there is too a version of FreeBSD called GNU/KFreeBSD i hope that the # can help you to enjoy with wi-fi happy hacking paolo |
| 20:03.26 | civillian | JW: not with openvpn |
| 20:03.39 | civillian | JW: its the best with that kind of stuff |
| 20:03.54 | JW | Not with openVPN? ou lost me |
| 20:04.10 | civillian | JW: other products require more admin |
| 20:04.14 | civillian | JW; thats all |
| 20:04.15 | avu | JW, you don't have to so anything yourself to achieve that, openvpn will take care of setting up the routes |
| 20:04.38 | JW | avu: great, that's 1 part of what I was looking for in the first place |
| 20:05.40 | JW | Ok now, is there something *bad* about using the bridged setup, aside from the overhead (which is what most everone says is bad about it)? |
| 20:06.02 | avu | JW, I already told you the threee reasons I don't use it. |
| 20:06.38 | avu | JW, it's less efficient, it doesn't scale, it makes it hard to impossible to distinguish between clients comming from the internal LAN or the VPN |
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| 20:07.55 | civillian | JW: I only use it for games where I want to use the built-in LAN function :P |
| 20:08.05 | JW | civillian: no games involved |
| 20:08.10 | psycodad_ | JW: depending on the bwidth of the link you gonna overload it with unwanted traffic except you filter it, on the plus side, your windows clients will just magically see each other |
| 20:08.15 | eyeris | openvpn is failing to start because it tries to run modprobe. However I am running this under user-mode-linux and have the TUN support compiled into the kernel. Thus the modprobe call is not needed. How can I tell openvpn to skip the modprobe call? |
| 20:08.17 | JW | avu: let me answer your 3 reasons: |
| 20:08.38 | JW | #1 scaleability: I will never need more than 3 or 4 clients |
| 20:08.42 | JW | and really I knoly need 2 |
| 20:08.52 | JW | well that was #2 |
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| 20:09.10 | enouf | eyeris: is really wish i knew - but .. have you thought about compiling the module? |
| 20:09.23 | JW | #1: Im not sure if I care about effeciency. I'd have to experience what the actual effeciency different is between the two |
| 20:09.35 | avu | JW, that are no arguments |
| 20:09.58 | avu | JW, "I don't care enough about the indisputable downsides" is what you're saying |
| 20:10.24 | JW | avu: no, it's not. What I'm saying is if it's only 2% or 5% less efficient, that's not enogh to matter |
| 20:10.29 | abrotman | Pavlz: don't spam here |
| 20:10.40 | JW | avu: if it's 80% less efficient, that's a different story: it would matter |
| 20:10.55 | avu | JW, how isn't it. it's not like routing is more difficult to set up or anything. |
| 20:11.00 | horror101 | Im chrooted to my debian install, I can see partitions in /proc/partitions. However I can't do fdisk -l /dev/hda or /dev/hdb for some strange reason |
| 20:11.05 | JW | avu: I assume when ylu say "efficient" you are tlaking about speed, more or less? |
| 20:11.13 | abrotman | gah .. i can't watch JW and avu .. nicks are too short!! |
| 20:11.25 | avu | JW, and how much less efficient it is depends on the link |
| 20:11.29 | eyeris | enouf I don't think that's possible, is it? This is user-mode-linux. |
| 20:11.35 | JW---------- | abrotman: how's that |
| 20:11.41 | abrotman | boo! |
| 20:11.41 | avu | abrotman, now see what you've done |
| 20:11.53 | enouf | eyeris: not certain - but maybe with module-assistant |
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| 20:12.12 | JW | avu: I'm probably just confused, but the routing does seem harder to set to me: quite a bit harder. But I might be just overly perplexed. |
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| 20:12.19 | civillian | is on a Dell 27" with big font :P |
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| 20:12.35 | abrotman | it'll be dead tomorrow |
| 20:12.40 | civillian | really!?! |
| 20:12.47 | eyeris | enouf now THAT is an idea! |
| 20:12.47 | civillian | it makes creaky noises sometimes :( |
| 20:12.48 | eyeris | thanks |
| 20:12.55 | enouf | eyeris: have a look .. while i search for other things http://kernel-handbook.alioth.debian.org/ch-common-tasks.html#s-common-out-of-tree |
| 20:13.03 | civillian | I hope its just startup expansion |
| 20:13.13 | enouf | eyeris: aha |
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| 20:13.39 | enouf | eyeris: do this; "/msg dpkg find tun.ko" in your irc client |
| 20:13.40 | avu | JW, well, I'm getting tired of trying to convince you to do the right thing, especially since it basicly consists of repeating the same argument over and over again. :-) |
| 20:13.43 | avu | JW, ~ |
| 20:13.50 | JW | avu: If I DO use the routing setup instead of the bridging how amI going to maintain the routes on the clients through reboots and network reconfigs? |
| 20:13.59 | enouf | eyeris: for ex; /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko |
| 20:14.15 | JW | I've got to hack some hooks into /etc/network/interface or /etc/sysconfig/network/* on each client, yes? |
| 20:14.26 | avu | JW, you update the configuration of your DHCP server usually. |
| 20:14.36 | JW | avu: we don't use DHCP |
| 20:14.47 | psycodad_ | avu: you can bring a horse to the water, but you can't force it to drink... |
| 20:14.49 | avu | JW, of course you don't. |
| 20:14.50 | JW | Well, let me see, that's not the right way to say that |
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| 20:15.25 | JW | avu: wait, are you saying to setup DHCP on the VPN server and let it configure the routes during each connection? |
| 20:15.26 | avu | JW, also, you can just configure the route at the gateway of course and use it to route vpn traffic aswell |
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| 20:15.33 | avu | JW, no. |
| 20:15.34 | enouf | eyeris: also note http://pastebin.ca/raw/1090108 (old kernel here) |
| 20:15.45 | curtmack | Is there a way to take a .ttf font (of the type you'd find on Windows or Mac systems) and install it on X? |
| 20:15.46 | avu | JW, really, go learn your stuff or get another job. EOD. |
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| 20:15.57 | enouf | user-mode-linux: usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.24/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko |
| 20:16.02 | JW | avu: well thanks for your help anyway. |
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| 20:17.51 | eyeris | enouf so I have to install user-mode-linux inside my UML guest, too? |
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| 20:20.00 | enouf | eyeris: not sure about any of this - just helping you find what you were looking for ;-) |
| 20:20.02 | enouf | !uml |
| 20:20.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, uml is User Mode Linux (ask me about <user mode linux>), or Unified Modeling Language |
| 20:20.28 | curtmack | never mind, figured it out |
| 20:20.59 | wols | using UML inside UML is kinda.... futile |
| 20:21.20 | eyeris | wols that's not what I am trying to do. |
| 20:21.32 | wols | but that's what you were saying... |
| 20:21.38 | eyeris | I simply need the tun.ko module |
| 20:21.48 | eyeris | wols read your buffer :) |
| 20:22.02 | enouf | eyeris: why did you choose that option? |
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| 20:22.03 | Spec | does DNS support wildcard subdomains? ie: anythingatall.company.com -> resolve to here. |
| 20:22.07 | wols | I did: < eyeris> enouf so I have to install user-mode-linux inside my UML guest, too? |
| 20:22.15 | DawnLight | hello |
| 20:22.24 | wols | eyeris: and tun.ko is part of every debian kernel |
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| 20:22.30 | enouf | eyeris: i suggested a few things to look at, did you even do apt-cache show user-mode-linux ? |
| 20:22.32 | segfault- | greetings |
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| 20:22.42 | enouf | eyeris: and see my pastebin? linux-image-2.6.24-1-686: lib/modules/2.6.24-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko |
| 20:22.46 | zack23 | I'm creating a deb package for a custom app we have in house but it's installing everything in /usr/lib, /usr/bin, etc. How can I override this so it installs everything as /opt/package_name/lib/, /opt/package_name/bin, etc? |
| 20:22.53 | enouf | you say you can't find tun.ko |
| 20:23.02 | amigrave | is it possible to emulate a cdrom device from an iso image ? (note: I don't want mount -o loop, I want an emulation of a device) |
| 20:23.02 | PeterFA | Is there a meta package in etch that has all the really handy utilities like telnet? |
| 20:23.06 | eyeris | enouf yeah, I can't find a kernel image to install from the apt archives with a simple 2.6.18 version -- which is what my UML kernel wants |
| 20:23.22 | segfault- | i'm installing a cobalt raq4 trough serial |
| 20:23.23 | wols | PeterFA: no |
| 20:23.24 | enouf | eyeris: well thanks for telling us your kernel version .. finally |
| 20:23.26 | PeterFA | sftp, etc. |
| 20:23.31 | PeterFA | wols, I should publish one. |
| 20:23.31 | eyeris | enouf using module-assistant had a similar problem. I am downloading the 2.6.18 sources now to try to get m-a to work |
| 20:23.34 | segfault- | and in my debootstrap i have setup an openssh server |
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| 20:23.42 | segfault- | but when i'm trying to login i get this : stdin: is not a tty |
| 20:23.46 | enouf | linux-image-2.6.17-1-686: lib/modules/2.6.17-1-686/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko <-- close O_o |
| 20:23.46 | segfault- | o_0 |
| 20:23.47 | wols | eyeris: what debian version? |
| 20:23.58 | wols | eyeris: that's not etch |
| 20:24.02 | eyeris | wols 4.0 |
| 20:24.05 | PeterFA | What package hold telnet? |
| 20:24.19 | wols | eyeris: that one has tun.ko in EVERY debian kernel. all of them are 2.6.18-x |
| 20:24.19 | eyeris | why is that not etch? |
| 20:24.30 | wols | !tell PeterFA about search |
| 20:24.33 | wols | it IS etch |
| 20:24.39 | eyeris | wols right, but the version magic prevents the module from loading |
| 20:24.44 | wols | eyeris: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 20:24.49 | wols | eyeris: BS |
| 20:24.59 | wols | if you run etch kernels you run 2.6.18 |
| 20:25.20 | eyeris | Right, and I am. |
| 20:25.29 | wols | then no version magic will prevent anything |
| 20:25.41 | wols | uname -a; locate tun.ko; modprobe tun |
| 20:25.46 | wols | pastebin the output. ALL of it |
| 20:26.10 | wols | and doN't forget the dpkg command above either |
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| 20:26.24 | segfault- | hmmm |
| 20:26.35 | segfault- | anyone have a cobalt & kernel 2.6 experience ? |
| 20:26.37 | eyeris | sure thing |
| 20:26.40 | enouf | and cat /proc/version :-P |
| 20:26.48 | wols | eyeris: uname -a :P |
| 20:26.58 | wols | !tell segfault- about anyone |
| 20:27.00 | enouf | details! |
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| 20:27.48 | segfault- | i asked my question already previously |
| 20:27.51 | eitan | Can anyone suggest what packages to install to get iceweasel to play .asx media files online? |
| 20:28.01 | eyeris | http://pastebin.ca/1090120 |
| 20:28.13 | SeveredCross | eitan: You probably need one of the mozilla plugins for vlc, mplayer or totem. |
| 20:28.18 | bipolar | Is there a way I can retreive a yes/no answer to weather or not there are available upgrades? I'm writing a script, and thats one of the pieces of info it needs. |
| 20:28.24 | wols | segfault-: ánd it's a useless "anyone" question |
| 20:28.27 | SeveredCross | My favorite is mpayer-plugin-mozilla or somethnig like that. |
| 20:28.44 | eitan | severedcross: I tried the plugin for vlc and mplayer and they're not working. |
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| 20:28.53 | SeveredCross | eitan: Hmmm, strange. |
| 20:29.13 | wols | eyeris: FATAL: Could not load /lib/modules/2.6.18/modules.dep: No such file or directory |
| 20:29.17 | wols | eyeris: depmod -a |
| 20:29.18 | eyeris | Right |
| 20:29.24 | eyeris | depmod -a has the same problem |
| 20:29.26 | eitan | severedcross: Totem could not play 'http://sg1.allmusic.com/cg/smp.dll?link=j0bsdp67yy4n46wyii036ph=64.asx'. There is no plugin to handle this movie. |
| 20:29.33 | eyeris | because the modules dir does not exist |
| 20:29.34 | segfault- | wols, i'm sorry but i did not know that targetting anyone in my question was useless by any means. |
| 20:29.37 | eyeris | that is the problem I am trying to solve |
| 20:29.38 | eitan | severedcross: but I already installed the mplayer plugin |
| 20:29.42 | wols | eyeris: then install the debian kernel package |
| 20:29.44 | Pavlz | that abrotman is not a spam, spam is stupid things, that is a serious project, i hope only that any got GNU/KFreeBSD could use it and to finish the last license of FreeBSD is compatible with GNU General Public License http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#OrigBSD there is too the fork of FreeBSD called GNU/KFreeBSD happy hacking and enjoy yourself, bye bye paolo |
| 20:29.50 | SeveredCross | I assume you restarted iceweasel? |
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| 20:30.09 | segfault- | wols, also, it was pretty much accurate, i doubt cobalts are fairly common machines now.. |
| 20:30.10 | eyeris | wols which one |
| 20:30.11 | eyeris | ? |
| 20:30.20 | SeveredCross | Pavlz: What? |
| 20:30.22 | wols | Pavlz: it is. DO you have a debian related support question? |
| 20:30.27 | eyeris | I have 2.6.18-686 installed |
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| 20:30.35 | eitan | severedcross: yes... several times. |
| 20:30.40 | eyeris | 2.6.18-6-686 to be exact |
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| 20:31.41 | *** topic/#debian is openssl vulnerability: /msg dpkg dsa1571 | 4.0r4 released /msg dpkg etch | /msg dpkg etch->lenny | Offtopic: #debian-offtopic | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianIRC | /msg dpkg bts | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people |
| 20:31.41 | wols | eyeris: dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 20:31.52 | eyeris | linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 20:31.55 | wols | !fino linux-image-2.6 etch |
| 20:31.59 | wols | !find linux-image-2.6 etch |
| 20:32.19 | wols | eyeris: ALL etch kernels are 2.6.18. every single one of them |
| 20:32.25 | eyeris | OMG |
| 20:32.26 | eyeris | listen |
| 20:32.33 | wols | eyeris: no, YOU listen. |
| 20:32.35 | eyeris | 2.6.18 != 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 20:32.38 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'linux-image-2.6' (1): (/usr/lib/fai/kernel/linux-image-2.6.18-fai-kernels_1_i386.deb) in admin/fai-kernels. |
| 20:32.41 | segfault- | eyeris, don't, you'll get kicked. |
| 20:32.42 | wols | eyeris: bullshit |
| 20:32.57 | eyeris | wols then why can't I insmod it? |
| 20:33.03 | wols | -6-686 is the debian "version" number of 2.6.18 |
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| 20:33.22 | enouf | eyeris: 1st off insmod is a 2.4 thing :-P |
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| 20:33.28 | eyeris | wols it was apparently added to the kernel version with --append_to_version because it is in the modules dir path |
| 20:33.29 | wols | !insmod |
| 20:33.30 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 20:33.42 | enouf | ahh, nice dpkg ;-) |
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| 20:34.34 | segfault- | eyeris, then it's a custom kernel.. |
| 20:34.40 | marsje | I found some scary message in my kernel log: Aug 1 01:15:17 debian kernel: WARNING: at net/ipv4/tcp_output.c:1799 tcp_simple_retransmit() |
| 20:34.43 | marsje | Aug 1 01:15:17 debian kernel: Pid: 0, comm: swapper Not tainted 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 |
| 20:35.02 | eyeris | wols ok, so I can't insmod the tun.ko module because insmod is dead |
| 20:35.21 | eyeris | wols but modprobe refuses to load a module outside /lib/modules/2.6.18/ |
| 20:35.30 | Spec | eyeris: insmod |
| 20:35.33 | Spec | oh, insmod is dead. |
| 20:35.35 | eyeris | wols so how do I get a module loaded from a linux-image-2.6 package? |
| 20:35.39 | wols | eyeris: as it should |
| 20:35.41 | enouf | spanks Spec |
| 20:35.43 | enouf | :-P |
| 20:35.51 | Spec | so...why's your insmod dead? |
| 20:36.09 | enouf | Spec: read what dpkg said |
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| 20:36.51 | Spec | good to know :) |
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| 20:37.10 | Gallez | does the cd image from debian.org work as a livecd? |
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| 20:37.22 | enouf | !debian-live |
| 20:37.22 | dpkg | i heard debian-live is in live-helper. make-live is a utility to build Debian Live systems. It takes a Debian mirror as an input and outputs a live system image (ISO image for CDs and DVDs, or tarball for netboot). make-live is gaining significant functionality and stability as development continutes. Homepage: http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/, or irc://irc.debian.org/#debian-live |
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| 20:37.42 | eyeris | wols if I ln -s 2.6.18 to 2.6.18-6-686, depmod -a, then modprobe tun, I get FATAL: Error inserting tun (/lib/modules/2.6.18/kernel/drivers/net/tun.ko): Invalid module format |
| 20:38.08 | simonrvn | wrong kernel for that mod |
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| 20:38.14 | simonrvn | ...obviously |
| 20:38.26 | enouf | eyeris: that path is wrong - the 2.6.18 part |
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| 20:38.55 | eyeris | enouf why is it wrong? What should it be? |
| 20:39.04 | alff21 | alguien habla español??? |
| 20:39.05 | enouf | try `uname -r` .. but from your Paste - i doubt it |
| 20:39.13 | eyeris | vpn:/lib/modules# uname -r |
| 20:39.14 | eyeris | 2.6.18 |
| 20:39.24 | Gallez | so if i just download the image, it will not work as a livecd, right? |
| 20:39.31 | enouf | # cat /proc/version Linux version 2.6.18 (root@lart) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-21)) #2 Sun Jun 8 21:10:45 UTC 2008 |
| 20:39.37 | enouf | is what you pasted |
| 20:39.40 | eyeris | yeah |
| 20:39.45 | psycodad_ | Gallez: right. |
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| 20:39.58 | alff21 | hello |
| 20:40.13 | enouf | that isn't the debian etch kernel release - it's missing versioning and stuff, AFAICT |
| 20:41.00 | eyeris | enouf right, that makes sense. It is user-mode-linux. |
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| 20:41.11 | enouf | eyeris: where's your System.map files? for each kernel? .. oh, ok |
| 20:41.12 | n3kl | Anyone know how to reduce the tab size in vim? |
| 20:41.22 | alff21 | I need help, |
| 20:41.35 | enouf | eyeris: where did that UML kernel come from? |
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| 20:41.54 | enouf | eyeris: or maybe i misunderstand .. |
| 20:41.59 | eyeris | etch packages |
| 20:42.50 | psycodad_ | dpkg, thx for the link about debian-live, youre a frickin cool bot ;) |
| 20:42.50 | dpkg | psycodad_: I give up, what is it? |
| 20:43.16 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 20:43.51 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/user-mode-linux/filelist gah |
| 20:44.16 | enouf | did you also install user-mode-linux-doc ? |
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| 20:45.39 | enouf | i guess your issue is directly related to openvpn? since that does show a nice tun.ko there ;-) |
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| 20:46.00 | segfault- | ok i've got an accurate question |
| 20:46.12 | enouf | !\o/ |
| 20:46.13 | dpkg | somebody said \o/ was w00t! O_o cool \o// oh joy! |
| 20:46.19 | segfault- | when making a kernel (custom) with 'kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image' |
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| 20:46.33 | enouf | make-kpkg |
| 20:46.35 | segfault- | is it normal that at the end it does freeze when finalizing the headers ? |
| 20:46.57 | segfault- | (i'm using make-kpk, my command line is precisely : make-kpkg --initrd --revision='2007.03.02-1' kernel_image kernel_headers modules_image) |
| 20:47.02 | enouf | do /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 20:47.15 | enouf | do /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 20:47.53 | segfault- | well .. that doesnt answer me :/ |
| 20:48.20 | enouf | i think your command stinks - no fakeroot there, unless it's called auto - i forget |
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| 20:48.53 | enouf | freezes are not any good, no |
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| 20:48.56 | segfault- | enouf, i'm building it in a debootstrap env |
| 20:49.07 | segfault- | (installing a cobalt and so need a custom kernel for it) |
| 20:49.14 | enouf | that's nice - you're probably missing a ton of shit |
| 20:49.32 | enouf | :-P |
| 20:49.34 | segfault- | HAHA |
| 20:49.36 | segfault- | finally |
| 20:49.40 | segfault- | after 2 hrs it finished |
| 20:49.43 | segfault- | damn k6 .. |
| 20:49.53 | enouf | i don't know what the issue is though .. haha - my p2 creams that thing! |
| 20:49.56 | KDE4000 | why does the stock debian kernel never work for my dell inspiron 1501 ? |
| 20:50.07 | zyx386 | how can i connection to ADSL via USB modem+cable ? |
| 20:50.12 | enouf | describe "not work" |
| 20:50.16 | KDE4000 | it works in EVERY other distro |
| 20:50.22 | segfault- | enouf, now the funny part |
| 20:50.24 | KDE4000 | it simply hangs at loading.... please wait |
| 20:50.27 | segfault- | let's see if the beast boot.. |
| 20:50.33 | enouf | KDE4000: during install? |
| 20:50.44 | KDE4000 | en:yep |
| 20:50.48 | enouf | segfault-: better dpkg -i the .deb |
| 20:50.57 | KDE4000 | but if i compile my own kernel, it always works |
| 20:50.58 | KDE4000 | ... |
| 20:51.02 | segfault- | enouf, going to do that but it's not that simple |
| 20:51.05 | zyx386 | pppoeconf not found connection!! |
| 20:51.12 | enouf | KDE4000: don't know that model well at all |
| 20:51.16 | segfault- | the cobalt booloader doesn't accept anything more heavy than 1800 k |
| 20:51.24 | segfault- | so i got to strip it & bzip it |
| 20:51.32 | KDE4000 | "Loading, please wait..." |
| 20:51.39 | KDE4000 | it can sit here for 100 hours and never get anywhere |
| 20:52.01 | psycodad_ | segfault-: if you get it working i have bout a dozen of raq4 laying in the dust... i haven't feeled the time worth for it yet |
| 20:52.02 | enouf | KDE4000: but it does get to the boot prompt? is that fairly new hardware? a laptop? |
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| 20:52.12 | KDE4000 | enouf: its a year old laptop |
| 20:52.28 | enouf | KDE4000: you likely need etchnhalf, or 4.0r4, or kmuto |
| 20:52.33 | segfault- | psycodad_, i'm actually almost done |
| 20:52.36 | enouf | for your drive controllers |
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| 20:52.50 | segfault- | psycodad_, the ugly thing was to get a serial console & nfs env ready |
| 20:52.52 | KDE4000 | nah its not that |
| 20:52.58 | enouf | !tell KDE4000 about etchnhalf |
| 20:53.18 | KDE4000 | almost any distro / kernel work on this laptop, just not debian |
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| 20:53.40 | enouf | i told you why - but now? the real reason - your POS dellio sucks ;-) |
| 20:53.50 | psycodad_ | segfault-: i have diskless env, so that doesn't bother me, but i feel like those raq4 are just too slow to bother about (and i was to scared by the whole roll-your-own-kernel-special-thingie) |
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| 20:53.58 | KDE4000 | i got a dell XPS m1530 too, and it works just fine |
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| 20:54.18 | zyx386 | can anyone tell me how can connect to internet via usb cable and modem? |
| 20:54.21 | segfault- | psycodad_, well, if it fails, i'll do it again but here on my big processor comp :P |
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| 20:55.12 | psycodad_ | segfault-: did you compile the kernel on the raq itself ? |
| 20:55.26 | segfault- | psycodad_, actually yep |
| 20:55.46 | psycodad_ | segfault-: lol, yeah i bet that took the hours you described ;) |
| 20:55.57 | KDE4000 | oh yeah, and stock debian kernel dont have usb, and such, AND MAX 800MB ram! |
| 20:56.18 | segfault- | psycodad_, ^ |
| 20:56.19 | segfault- | ^^ |
| 20:56.28 | psycodad_ | how did you debootstrap a debian (as i read) into the raq4 ? Did you have the original raq OS on it or Strongbolt ? |
| 20:56.45 | segfault- | no need for that |
| 20:56.54 | wols | KDE4000: that's kinda hard to prove since it's not true |
| 20:56.55 | segfault- | you first need to update the rom (easy) |
| 20:57.08 | segfault- | then at start to get into the rom menu (need a serial console) |
| 20:57.09 | psycodad_ | k, almost all the boxes have current roms |
| 20:57.16 | segfault- | then you go into the lowlevel menu |
| 20:57.17 | segfault- | then cmos |
| 20:57.23 | segfault- | you setup the btoip |
| 20:57.28 | segfault- | (build to order) |
| 20:57.36 | psycodad_ | k |
| 20:57.37 | segfault- | then you go back to the main menu |
| 20:57.40 | segfault- | type bfn |
| 20:57.45 | segfault- | and voila, it boot |
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| 20:57.59 | segfault- | you need then on the server to have dhcp & nfs |
| 20:58.09 | wols | !enter |
| 20:58.09 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 20:58.13 | psycodad_ | did you follow any step-by-step guide on the net or such? |
| 20:58.19 | segfault- | somehow |
| 20:58.33 | segfault- | http://www.timntina.com/debian-cobalt-raq4 |
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| 20:58.43 | segfault- | but they lack many infos |
| 20:58.53 | crackintosh | is addgroup or groupadd the favored way of adding a group? |
| 20:59.06 | segfault- | there is also a gentoo howto : http://gentoo.404ster.com/texts.php?action=view&id=10 |
| 20:59.19 | KDE4000 | wols: oh really, well its the same for 3 of my machines --- MAX 800MB ram |
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| 20:59.51 | psycodad_ | segfault-: i thought about using them as ATAoverEthernet SAN boxes, but their disk controllers are just too slow for anything.. so i still lack a serious usecase for them ;) |
| 21:00.17 | psycodad_ | if you're ever to switzerland, pick up a few ;) |
| 21:00.20 | rasta-man | psycodad_: have you tried OpenFiler? |
| 21:00.21 | segfault- | psycodad_, well, up to you to add a pci sata controller :P |
| 21:00.32 | segfault- | psycodad_, strasbourg actually :D |
| 21:00.51 | segfault- | gahh damn, got an headache and no painkillers.. |
| 21:01.03 | rasta-man | smoke some tweed |
| 21:01.07 | psycodad_ | segfault-: hmmm....damn good idea...you know im one of those guys who cant get rid of old sh*t...you just gave me a new problem...damnyou! *g* |
| 21:01.24 | zyx386 | which command display all usb device? |
| 21:01.27 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: nah, whats that ? |
| 21:01.38 | segfault- | hehe |
| 21:01.48 | rasta-man | it's a very supported OSS project for iSCSI (among other protocols) |
| 21:01.50 | psycodad_ | segfault-: oh, 20km from basel ;) |
| 21:01.51 | segfault- | psycodad_, the raq4 was a gift for my 30th birthday |
| 21:02.03 | rasta-man | psycodad_: I saw you talking about AoE |
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| 21:02.12 | segfault- | an old friend was cleaning his white room |
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| 21:02.26 | psycodad_ | segfault-: hmm..you should make new friends that give better gifts *lol* a dualcore opteron would be adequate for 30 ;) |
| 21:02.28 | rasta-man | psycodad_: I tried OpenFiler and it was incredible |
| 21:02.46 | enouf | wtf are you weenies talking about? |
| 21:02.53 | cognitiaclaeves | I have a debian Etch VM that periodically has some sort of issue with TCP/IP / networking. (Pinging seems to freeze, after it resolves the host name.) Before I reinstall, is this a known issue? |
| 21:03.02 | segfault- | enouf, adult stuff :p |
| 21:03.14 | enouf | segfault-: where's the pr0n then? |
| 21:03.22 | segfault- | enouf, in your ass. |
| 21:03.25 | rasta-man | psycodad_: http://www.openfiler.com/about |
| 21:03.30 | segfault- | (sorry, this one was easy :D) |
| 21:03.33 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: im on the webpage, thx for the hint. I like aoe much, its like aehm..-cool- |
| 21:03.46 | enouf | segfault-: ok, i guess i'll just shit on your head then - and you can enjoy it too |
| 21:03.55 | segfault- | psycodad_, the next project is to interface lcd & a webpage :) |
| 21:04.00 | enouf | (sorry, that was just too easy) |
| 21:04.49 | rasta-man | psycodad_: if you have VMWare they have a .vmdk |
| 21:04.57 | psycodad_ | segfault-: once you got a working debian on it, the rest should be cake.. |
| 21:05.12 | rasta-man | psycodad_: I had a VM up and running pimping out some LUNs in 15 minutes |
| 21:05.21 | segfault- | psycodad_, yeah about to see that |
| 21:05.34 | segfault- | .. or not, if it dont boot now, i'll go take a pizza and some sleep |
| 21:05.48 | segfault- | (got a great fsckin' headache..) |
| 21:05.59 | kenjy | see you in monday guys :D |
| 21:06.23 | psycodad_ | segfault-: much luck for your tries, and my offer stand, as you get it going, pick up more at my office 20km from basel. |
| 21:06.37 | segfault- | psycodad_, we'll see :) |
| 21:06.41 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: is it commercial or just the support for it ? |
| 21:07.17 | rasta-man | psycodad_: just the support is commercial |
| 21:07.28 | rasta-man | psycodad_: do you have VMWare? |
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| 21:07.52 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: it does mention iscsi but not aoe, i want aoe. |
| 21:08.02 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: yes, sure a few. |
| 21:09.14 | segfault- | psycodad_, got a gtalk/jabber ? |
| 21:09.45 | psycodad_ | segfault-: got a few, but am rarely online. |
| 21:09.49 | segfault- | k |
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| 21:09.57 | segfault- | there frequently ? |
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| 21:10.59 | psycodad_ | i msg'ed you my email, and im almost always here as psyco-anything |
| 21:11.02 | rasta-man | psycodad_: just download the vmdk and try it out since you have vmware |
| 21:11.15 | rasta-man | iSCSI is more for enterprises |
| 21:11.26 | rasta-man | I'm pretty sure AoE came after iSCSI |
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| 21:11.48 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: sure aoe came after iscsi, but it still rocks |
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| 21:13.00 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: and i believe it to be more efficient since it sets on L2 and not L3 as iscsi. |
| 21:13.18 | detrate | Does a package for gblic 2.4 exist? I can't seem to find one anywhere. What do I do about packages that require it? |
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| 21:14.09 | rasta-man | psycodad_: oh yeah? It's faster? |
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| 21:14.22 | rasta-man | nice |
| 21:14.30 | rasta-man | I'll have to give it a look see |
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| 21:15.07 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: iscsi operates on IP, while AoE operates directly on ethernet (which has its drawbacks, admittedly), therefor i assume it to be more efficient given the same target hardware |
| 21:15.23 | rasta-man | yeah |
| 21:15.28 | rasta-man | less overhead |
| 21:15.32 | rasta-man | no routing |
| 21:16.15 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: exactly. and given you have a working debian box at hand, you'll see your first exported disk within 30s compared to your 15min with iscsi ;) |
| 21:16.16 | rasta-man | psycodad_: I will say that OpenFiler was sweet for setup. It's an OS with a web GUI for filesharing |
| 21:16.34 | rasta-man | lol |
| 21:16.42 | rasta-man | psycodad_: I don't have debian |
| 21:16.44 | psycodad_ | rasta-man: i know freenas is bsd, but i like it much, wish it would be a aoe target |
| 21:16.59 | rasta-man | psycodad_: I'm on Vista x64 |
| 21:17.04 | rasta-man | how do you like that? |
| 21:17.55 | rasta-man | psycodad_: I have a bastard son of a Debian box that I keep in a bubble because I don't want it to break |
| 21:17.56 | psycodad_ | has no words for vista |
| 21:17.59 | rasta-man | lol |
| 21:18.25 | segfault- | psycodad_, cobalt booting.. crossing fingers |
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| 21:18.34 | rasta-man | I was in here last night trying to fix that whole OpenSSL thing |
| 21:18.36 | psycodad_ | is on win2k via putty in a shell on an age old openbsd box with irssi ;) |
| 21:18.38 | rasta-man | what a nightmare that wasy |
| 21:18.40 | rasta-man | was( |
| 21:18.44 | PeterFA | Why is the cyrus package called cyrus21? |
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| 21:18.53 | psycodad_ | segfault-: congrats! |
| 21:18.54 | abrotman | because there's also a cyrus22 IIRC |
| 21:19.05 | PeterFA | I see the legacy package in there called cyrus, but I see no reason for the '21' suffix. |
| 21:19.16 | abrotman | ah .. it's cyrus-<foo>-2.2 |
| 21:19.24 | PeterFA | Oh, it's a version number. |
| 21:19.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 21:19.41 | segfault- | psycodad_, don't seem to work.. |
| 21:20.19 | psycodad_ | segfault-: dont give up, getting it to boot seemed as the hardest part for me. |
| 21:20.22 | PeterFA | Is there package called catch at version 2.2? |
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| 21:21.08 | segfault- | psycodad_, seems to take a long time to load the kernel |
| 21:21.18 | abrotman | PeterFA: huh ? |
| 21:21.31 | PeterFA | abrotman, it's a joke. |
| 21:21.48 | abrotman | oh .. you sohuld have just used '22' :) |
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| 21:22.19 | PeterFA | abrotman, no, because would imply version 22.0 |
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| 21:22.28 | PeterFA | abrotman, it's a catch22 >.> |
| 21:22.35 | n3kl | *sigh* |
| 21:22.36 | psycodad_ | segfault-: its a cobalt raq4 - dont forget, evolutionwise just a step after the c64 ;9 |
| 21:22.41 | abrotman | smacks PeterFA |
| 21:22.41 | PeterFA | I tried. |
| 21:23.06 | hramrach | Hello |
| 21:23.13 | PeterFA | weeps. |
| 21:23.17 | n3kl | !hi hramrach |
| 21:23.26 | n3kl | meh |
| 21:23.32 | abrotman | !greet n3kl |
| 21:23.32 | dpkg | G'day, n3kl |
| 21:23.35 | hramrach | Is there some program in which you can write a presentation nad save it into pdf? |
| 21:23.42 | n3kl | Gar |
| 21:23.47 | abrotman | OO.org ? |
| 21:23.56 | abrotman | Impress or wahtever it is |
| 21:24.04 | hramrach | you cannot write a presentation in that, sorry |
| 21:24.14 | ben_goodger | er, yes, you can |
| 21:24.26 | abrotman | hramrach: then write it in whatever you want .. print it to PS .. then use ps2pdf |
| 21:24.27 | hramrach | yes, theoretically |
| 21:24.51 | ben_goodger | google docs & spreadsheets, or LaTeX with Beamer? |
| 21:24.53 | hramrach | well, I want something in which it is practically feasible |
| 21:24.56 | n3kl | You could even write it in latex if you wanted |
| 21:25.12 | abrotman | you just said Impress wasn't |
| 21:25.18 | abrotman | so you tell us what is .. and we'll work from there :) |
| 21:25.24 | n3kl | hramrach: whats wrong with OO.org |
| 21:25.40 | hramrach | n3kl: have you tried using it? |
| 21:25.45 | n3kl | hramrach: yes |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | note: 'fu' is not the same as 'su' |
| 21:25.48 | n3kl | hramrach: works fine |
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| 21:26.05 | hramrach | somehow not for me. |
| 21:26.10 | psycodad_ | hramrach: i used oo to write many presentation, whats wrong with it ? |
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| 21:26.29 | abrotman | hramrach: maybe you should tell us what kind of presentation |
| 21:26.36 | psycodad_ | hramrach: oo 1.x that is |
| 21:27.03 | hramrach | well, I want to chnge the fonts. Perhaps I should just use the force, select everything, and chnge the face |
| 21:27.29 | pipegeek | Anyone know what it means when "apt-get update" fails due to an md5sum mismatch? |
| 21:27.36 | abrotman | try another mirror |
| 21:27.52 | pipegeek | kay |
| 21:27.54 | ben_goodger | code injection attack thwarted? |
| 21:28.26 | hramrach | The default color theme is yellow on white. You cannot choose the background color for the page. you can but only from a list that is edited who knows where |
| 21:28.58 | pipegeek | well, but I mean, what's getting checksummed? And could this be happening as a result of my using apt-cacher? |
| 21:28.59 | hramrach | oh, yes, and I should not forget about the invisible UI elements |
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| 21:29.49 | abrotman | pipegeek: the Packages.gz for example |
| 21:29.56 | pipegeek | righto |
| 21:30.13 | pipegeek | well, removed that mirror from apt-cacher.conf, and all is well in the world |
| 21:30.29 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Does a webform for bug reporting still exist? |
| 21:30.50 | segfault- | psycodad_, bleh i think there is a config error or so |
| 21:31.26 | psycodad_ | segfault-: where was it stuck in boot ? |
| 21:31.42 | hramrach | I just wnat a presentation for which I choose the background and the foreground color, write a few slides, and add a bunch of pictures. Nothing really hard unless the program used is OO. |
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| 21:31.51 | segfault- | booting kernel... |
| 21:31.54 | segfault- | :s |
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| 21:32.13 | hramrach | booting OO |
| 21:32.28 | psycodad_ | segfault-: sounds the like the fun i expected when i decided not to start with it ;) |
| 21:32.35 | segfault- | maybe the root partition is too big |
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| 21:35.43 | psycodad_ | segfault-: time for a beer! helps with the headache too |
| 21:36.01 | segfault- | time for home ^^ |
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| 21:36.30 | crackintosh | can non root users use ports under 1000? |
| 21:36.40 | psycodad_ | right, since the raqs are so disturbingly loud, you can't have them @home ;) |
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| 21:36.49 | crackintosh | i.e. if I wanted tomcat to run on port 80 by a user other than root? |
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| 21:36.57 | psycodad_ | crackintosh: not under 1024 iirc |
| 21:37.09 | psycodad_ | crackintosh: sudo might help |
| 21:37.20 | crackintosh | sudo might help? |
| 21:37.26 | psycodad_ | crackintosh: nah, stupid. |
| 21:37.35 | psycodad_ | is ginfueled and engine runs dry. sorry |
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| 21:38.02 | psycodad_ | crackintosh: you'd end up starting it as user as root...not what you want |
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| 21:39.43 | psycodad_ | psycodad_: if you want to run under 1024 as non-root, the program needs to drop privs after binding the port i guess. so the prog needs to support it but you need to start as root. all without warranty. |
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| 21:40.19 | psycodad_ | hmmm, you know i meant you crackintosh ;-) |
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| 21:45.22 | enouf | n3kl: we have much harder work ahead of us now ;-) |
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| 21:47.37 | hramrach | Why did they bump the version for OO 3.0? It's still braindead on the outside. Well perhaps it's because they disabled picking colors from gtk or whatever so that their UI elementa re always visible :-> |
| 21:48.58 | n3kl | enouf: sup man? |
| 21:49.00 | hramrach | there's no gtk-theme-switch anymore? |
| 21:49.46 | hramrach | I mean not gtk-theme-switch2 but gtk-theme-switch |
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| 21:49.58 | n3kl | hramrach: I think there is a /usr/local/bin/runkdeinstead switch |
| 21:50.14 | enouf | n3kl: now .. onto figure out how to decrypt/decipher crap sites that obscure the real URL to the file, so we don;t need any of this fucken proprietary crap |
| 21:50.33 | enouf | s/file/real file |
| 21:50.38 | n3kl | enouf: enlighten me with an example |
| 21:51.27 | n3kl | enouf: oh, like php sites and stuff? |
| 21:52.00 | enouf | n3kl: like pbs.org sau |
| 21:52.02 | enouf | say |
| 21:52.34 | enouf | n3kl: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/ for ex |
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| 21:54.32 | n3kl | enouf: Hrmm |
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| 21:56.17 | n3kl | I don't know enough java for that, which is sad, cause I bet for anyone that knew anything about java, this would be easy |
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| 21:56.22 | horror101 | I just installed debian but I get a message: error 17 from grub when booting |
| 21:56.32 | horror101 | (lenny) |
| 21:56.45 | enouf | n3kl: seems those people don't like to share things |
| 21:56.57 | horror101 | all I did was to follow the installer |
| 21:57.13 | enouf | !rescue mode |
| 21:57.13 | dpkg | Debian Installer has a recovery ('rescue') mode, which can be used to reinstall the GRUB or LILO boot loaders. See section 8.7 of the Installation Guide ("Recovering a Broken System") for more details. Additional steps are required if you are using encrypted LVM, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Rescue/Crypto |
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| 21:58.52 | horror101 | whats the point of reinstalling grub |
| 21:58.57 | horror101 | it wont make any difference |
| 21:59.07 | horror101 | I installed it to MBR |
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| 22:00.39 | hramrach | n3kl: how's that helping with gtk1 applications? |
| 22:01.12 | n3kl | hramrach: I was joking |
| 22:01.13 | enouf | n3kl: look at this crap => so.addVariable("trakfile", "/science.discovery.com/video/download.html"); so.addParam("wmode", "opaque"); so.write("interactiveFlashObject"); |
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| 22:01.49 | enouf | interactive flash object? how about i mount you, you monkey |
| 22:01.57 | hramrach | btw gtk2 is handled by gnome, you do not really need gtk-theme-switch for that, it's just smaller and less invasive. But not gtk1. |
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| 22:02.15 | crackintosh | psycodad_: yeah I dont want to run it as a root user. maybe I can finagle www-data into running tomcat since im not using httpd on this machine. |
| 22:02.27 | crackintosh | it would make www-data less lonely :-P |
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| 22:03.19 | enouf | function OmniStream(videoURL) { s_prop3 = s_prop2 + ":Video Stream"; s_prop6 = videoURL; sendLinkEvent("","Flash Video"); |
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| 22:04.49 | enouf | horror101 you did wrong - go do it right |
| 22:04.53 | n3kl | bush is a turd |
| 22:04.59 | Nyle | n3kl, offtopic |
| 22:05.04 | enouf | a smelly one |
| 22:05.23 | Nyle | "Somewhere in Texas, a village is missing an idiot." |
| 22:05.36 | enouf | smacks Nyle for running off like a scared school girl last night |
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| 22:05.38 | n3kl | Nyle: please stay on topic |
| 22:05.41 | n3kl | =] |
| 22:05.57 | Nyle | enouf, ? |
| 22:06.35 | enouf | you were on your kde isn't bloat tirade |
| 22:06.45 | enouf | and i beat you down into submission |
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| 22:07.12 | n3kl | Haha |
| 22:08.47 | n3kl | enouf: if mplayer can play them, mencoder can save them to a file ;) |
| 22:09.23 | enouf | n3kl: i have no idea how to 'grab' them |
| 22:09.37 | enouf | to even test if mplayer would play it |
| 22:09.57 | n3kl | yeah |
| 22:10.18 | hramrach | enouf: there are extensions for firefox to save flash videos |
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| 22:10.33 | enouf | hramrach: i know |
| 22:10.36 | hramrach | Plus if you get the url mplayer can probably download it |
| 22:10.42 | enouf | hramrach: issue is, i loathe bloat |
| 22:10.48 | enouf | and Firepoop is bloat |
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| 22:11.15 | themill | Features aren't bloat if you use them. |
| 22:11.21 | hramrach | it's the only browser that does at least something |
| 22:11.29 | enouf | it;s not a feature |
| 22:11.39 | enouf | it's binary blobs |
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| 22:11.52 | enouf | that assholes allow to whiz around on their machines |
| 22:11.53 | hramrach | and it's not like it's good but they made it extensible which is the ultimate feature |
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| 22:13.27 | enouf | i have no intention on being able to play SWF files - i want the files for either a) conversion and playback on the fly - or b) d/l and playback after conversion |
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| 22:14.15 | enouf | same for whatever crap Crapple QuickShit and Winpoop is offering |
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| 22:15.31 | enouf | Besides the entire Gecko behemoth is one huge bloated piece of shit |
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| 22:15.54 | enouf | and same goes for konqueror |
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| 22:16.14 | enouf | shall i continue? ;-) |
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| 22:16.39 | enouf | Nyle: put down that bong and get back here! |
| 22:16.54 | themill | Perhaps it's time to change the record and to recognise that people have different needs and expectations. If you're happy with links2, that's good for you. No need to shove it down everyone else's throat though. |
| 22:17.33 | n3kl | enouf: mplayer 'http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/video/flv/2608/ch2.flv' |
| 22:17.40 | amphi | enouf: midori is better than evar ;) |
| 22:18.12 | n3kl | what is midori? |
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| 22:19.20 | n3kl | Gar, my wireless is taking a shart! |
| 22:20.00 | enouf | bows briefly to n3kl and amphi: |
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| 22:20.28 | Zeroyez | Now I know this is a virtualbox question, however they're asleep - how can I access shared folders for virtualbox on a debian guest OS? |
| 22:20.53 | Zeroyez | I've tried smb://vboxsrv/VirtualShare (the name of the sharing folder) however it did not work |
| 22:21.06 | enouf | no, the propogation of CRAP is from buffoons such a you - fuck everyone else, they're trying to fuck you, so there - a nice stalemate |
| 22:21.31 | Zeroyez | o wut |
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| 22:22.25 | n3kl | enouf: oh, fuck that: wget 'http://www-tc.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/video/flv/2608/ch2.flv' |
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| 22:23.18 | xand | hmm, HSBC online banking doesn't work in Iceweasel 3 though it's fine in v2 and FF3 >.< |
| 22:24.07 | hramrach | Zeroyez: you need the vbox tools installed, and I guess they will add a new filesystem. Never used that; though |
| 22:24.57 | hramrach | n3kl: midori is green. Midori linux is a linux distro for some sort of handhelds |
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| 22:26.03 | amphi | n3kl: a webkit-gtk-based browser |
| 22:26.22 | n3kl | Ah, interesting |
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| 22:27.11 | dclarke | can anyone tell me who pays for Debian.org and its infrastructure ? Is it SPI Inc ? |
| 22:27.49 | amphi | n3kl: http://software.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html |
| 22:28.35 | amphi | n3kl: it's feature incomplete and under quite rapid development, so it's better to build from git IMHO |
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| 22:30.04 | n3kl | Anyone have an ipod touch working with linux? |
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| 22:30.54 | hramrach | amphi: the problem with these lightweight browsers is that you can demonstrate it renders a page but it misses tons of features |
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| 22:31.13 | hramrach | amphi: there used to be skipstone for that |
| 22:31.17 | Zeroyez | hramrach I have the guest tools installed |
| 22:31.32 | amphi | hramrach: yes; midori is a lot better than skipstone IMHO |
| 22:31.33 | Zeroyez | i just don't know how to get to the shared folder |
| 22:31.33 | psycodad_ | dclarke: dunno, but AFAIK a lot of their servers are run by volunteers and companies as well (HP is a big support iirc) |
| 22:31.59 | amphi | hramrach: you make midori do a lot with user scripts |
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| 22:32.19 | hramrach | Zeroyez: do you have the docs installed? There is that nice pdf |
| 22:32.28 | Zeroyez | nope |
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| 22:32.33 | greeg | hi |
| 22:32.41 | Zeroyez | can't i just get a simple explanation on how to get to them :( |
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| 22:32.45 | n3kl | enouf: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/3829 <- this is what gave me the link. |
| 22:32.48 | hramrach | amphi: you can't even reject cookies in midori |
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| 22:33.09 | enouf | n3kl: i was going to ask ... |
| 22:33.19 | greeg | is it safe to --> mv /etc/rc2.d/S21gdm /etc/rc2.d/K21gdm ? |
| 22:33.24 | enouf | so, i just need to grab whatever code that thing is |
| 22:33.26 | jelly | !test |
| 22:33.26 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
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| 22:33.46 | enouf | greeg: yeah |
| 22:33.46 | n3kl | enouf: I had used it a long time ago on a perl project I was working on |
| 22:33.47 | EugenMayer | i installed a new kernel and restored a backup ( of my imap folder ). No somehow, procmail does not put the mails into my folder anymore, they are all stucked in /var/mail/myuser |
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| 22:34.02 | enouf | greeg: but you can and install rcconf for that too |
| 22:34.13 | enouf | greeg: but you can install and use rcconf for that too |
| 22:34.25 | psycodad_ | EugenMayer: check permissions on that folder maybe? |
| 22:34.28 | n3kl | what is the command to list all modules currently available to you? |
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| 22:34.43 | enouf | n3kl: modprobe -l |
| 22:34.49 | enouf | better |grep |
| 22:34.56 | EugenMayer | psycodad_: they all ok |
| 22:35.08 | hramrach | amphi: there is an option User Scripts that does nothing. Perhaps somebody should package a recent version for Debian? |
| 22:35.10 | n3kl | enouf: ah, thanks |
| 22:35.13 | enouf | n3kl: if you mean loaded, lsmod |
| 22:35.14 | EugenMayer | psycodad_: i would nt ask, if i would ha an idea |
| 22:35.23 | psycodad_ | EugenMayer: checked what procmail logs why it doesnt what it should ? |
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| 22:35.32 | n3kl | modprobe -l was what I was looking for |
| 22:35.36 | EugenMayer | no logoutpu psycodad_ |
| 22:35.38 | enouf | aye |
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| 22:36.08 | EugenMayer | i call procmail thorugh fetchmail, is it possible to call it "as single" form the command line à |
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| 22:36.40 | tphilosopher | Hey guys. I was wondering if it would be possible to reliably predict where a .deb package would be installed to, without actually installing it? This is completely hypothetical, but I would appreciate any help. |
| 22:37.13 | n3kl | tphilosopher: a deb is nothing more than a bsd archive iirc |
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| 22:37.38 | enouf | n3kl: fwiw - another friend pointed this out, not sure how useful it is, since you know i'll never allow it's bloated base run here ;-) http://www.ghacks.net/2007/01/11/use-splitlink-for-firefox-to-check-for-redirects/ |
| 22:37.55 | enouf | it's an ar |
| 22:38.09 | psycodad_ | EugenMayer: sorry, can't help cauz i dont use procmail anymore since i think it sucks. check the docs on howto make it log useful debugging infos. |
| 22:38.14 | enouf | ar -x file.deb (or dpkg -x) |
| 22:38.19 | amphi | hramrach: did you try putting a script in ~/.local/share/midori/scripts ? |
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| 22:38.41 | EugenMayer | anybody has a clue how to call procmail manually ? |
| 22:38.50 | amphi | hramrach: you can find a couple of scripts at http://www.fdn.fr/~arenevier/midori/ |
| 22:39.02 | enouf | tphilosopher: where it would be installed? view the pkgs filelist |
| 22:39.07 | amphi | hramrach: 'remove this' is the only one of those I've used |
| 22:39.29 | enouf | tphilosopher: but know there are .postinst scripts that will create files on the fly |
| 22:39.38 | enouf | for certain pkgs |
| 22:39.48 | am0rphis | how i can kill a fish in gnome, after press Alt+F2 and type 'free the fish' ? :) |
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| 22:40.03 | enouf | tphilosopher: apt-file list pkgname - or see p.d.o |
| 22:40.03 | naught101 | if I ssh into a shell, and run a command that's going to take about 4 hours, and the connection dies 2 hours in, will the command finish (assuming it requires no user input, but does have verbose output)? |
| 22:40.13 | amphi | am0rphis: wtf? |
| 22:40.38 | tphilosopher | Thanks very much for your help enouf and n3kl. |
| 22:40.59 | hramrach | amphi: looks like the DOM is scriptable with these, that's a good start |
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| 22:41.06 | EugenMayer | could procmail could have some problems with the 24er kernel ? |
| 22:41.09 | am0rphis | amphi, press in gnome Alt+F2 and type 'free the fish' :) |
| 22:41.10 | n3kl | huh? I did something useful? |
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| 22:42.29 | hramrach | amphi: however, you need also scripting of the browser itself to make decent customization possible |
| 22:42.54 | Dan6688 | am0rphis: click on it |
| 22:43.06 | hramrach | that's a source of great problems in Firefox as all the interfaces are poorly designed |
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| 22:46.25 | hramrach | seems like every other extension I use required a Firefox interface update at some point |
| 22:46.27 | amphi | am0rphis: I don't have gnome |
| 22:46.46 | amphi | am0rphis: xkill should kill it, regardless |
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| 22:47.12 | am0rphis | amphi, ok :) |
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| 22:48.15 | zack23 | When making a debian package for an in house software app, how exactly do I specify to have it installed in /opt rather than /usr? |
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| 22:48.29 | janne-5011 | problemwith the debian installer here-"installation step failed" |
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| 22:49.41 | janne-5011 | then it says "cleaning up " after that back to the failed msg. what todo? |
| 22:49.50 | themill | zack23: you wouldn't normally do that, but such configuration normally goes into the debian/rules file. |
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| 22:49.59 | beardy | janne-5011: Tell us which step? |
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| 22:50.06 | zack23 | themill: right, I know - just for a custom in house app that's all |
| 22:50.07 | EugenMayer | how do i get my mails stored in /var/mail/myuser into my mbox folder ( served by imap? ) with my procmail ? |
| 22:50.12 | jaggz- | what's a drive test utility ? |
| 22:50.13 | hramrach | zack23: you just package files in opt. But I don't see any reason why you would not install the application in /usr since it's packaged and can be removed easily |
| 22:50.18 | jaggz- | (anything included in debian?) |
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| 22:50.25 | jaggz- | I"m just doing dd if=/dev/drive of=/dev/null |
| 22:50.26 | janne-5011 | selelect and install software |
| 22:51.14 | beardy | janne-5011: Did you select a working mirror, do you have a working network connection? |
| 22:51.24 | janne-5011 | beardy yes |
| 22:51.37 | zack23 | themill: how in rules? install: has nothing about paths |
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| 22:52.30 | themill | zack23: that's probably in the configure target. But it might be in the *.install files. It depends how it was packaged and how the installation would normally be configured. If you want to pastebin stuff for me, I'll look. |
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| 22:54.56 | zack23 | themill: Thank you - the ./configure has a prefix but it's ignored for some reason |
| 22:56.36 | themill | zack23: in the install target in debian/rules, how is the installation done? is it just calling the main make install? or is it making lots of dh_* calls (e.g. dh_install) |
| 22:56.48 | zack23 | just make and make install |
| 22:57.37 | psycodad_ | zack23: i have no clue about deb packaging, but maybe checkinstall helps you for your case ? |
| 22:58.59 | hramrach | jaggz-: that's probably the best you can get. Or do a drive thest with smartmontools. |
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| 23:00.36 | Kevin` | what's the proper thing to do after debootstrap to get a correctly configured system? |
| 23:00.58 | ptman | it should be pretty well configured, what do you want to configure? |
| 23:01.17 | psycodad_ | Kevin`: mount proc within the chroot ? |
| 23:01.18 | ptman | aptitude install grub linux-image ? |
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| 23:01.47 | Kevin` | they end up missing key stuff like a hosts file, interfaces file (127.0.0.1 is important), timezone setting.. |
| 23:03.06 | Kevin` | (and of course fstab, and the ability to boot, but that's my thing to do) |
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| 23:05.04 | karsten | Kevin`: Read the install docs. |
| 23:05.17 | karsten | Kevin`: Appendix includes the chroot install instructions now. |
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| 23:05.32 | ptman | well, you could always install tasksel and use it to install the standard system, but reading debootstrap install instructions sounds like a good idea also |
| 23:06.02 | karsten | Kevin`: Platform? Eg: amd-64, x86? |
| 23:06.23 | Kevin` | karsten: x86, although it doesn't really vary between platforms does it? |
| 23:06.24 | karsten | Kevin`: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/apds03.html.en |
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| 23:06.31 | karsten | Kevin`: Not much. |
| 23:06.37 | karsten | Kevin`: Not for this at any rate. |
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| 23:07.06 | karsten | Kevin`: I wrote the first version of that, just read it, it's been reworked nicely, it's what I use on my own systems. Usually under Knoppix. |
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| 23:09.58 | Pratchett | is it safer and easier to upgrade stable Debian releases via removable media than over a network? |
| 23:10.12 | karsten | Pratchett: No. |
| 23:10.15 | EugenMayer | how to process the mails under /var/mail/myuser? |
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| 23:10.23 | Kevin` | only if your on dialup |
| 23:10.35 | zack23 | how can i tell the requirements for a deb package without installing it? |
| 23:10.39 | karsten | Pratchett: I'd say for starters it's a massive PITA if you have any number of systems > 1, and in general >0 since you need to swap media. |
| 23:10.45 | amphi | EugenMayer: you can point mutt at them, if that's what you mean |
| 23:10.52 | Debiangeo | hi all |
| 23:10.52 | karsten | zack23: aptitude |
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| 23:11.10 | Debiangeo | i need to ask something about imagemagick |
| 23:11.13 | karsten | zack23: ... interactively, or 'aptitude show <packagename>' |
| 23:11.20 | karsten | !tell Debiangeo about ask |
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| 23:11.32 | Debiangeo | i have server with coppermine galery |
| 23:11.34 | Pratchett | karsten: i only have the one personal server |
| 23:11.39 | zack23 | it's a .deb file though |
| 23:11.42 | EugenMayer | amphi: actually iam debugging, why my mails are not delivered to my maildir, which is used by dovecot to serve it to me by imap. The mails seem to stuck in /var/mail/myuser suddenly |
| 23:11.56 | Debiangeo | but the probleme is than the server is a old pc 700 mhz |
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| 23:12.04 | karsten | Pratchett: If Debian fails to network upgrade, it's a pretty critical bug, since that's precisely what it's supposed to do. |
| 23:12.26 | Debiangeo | when i upload album coppermine lunch 6 process in the same time |
| 23:12.27 | amphi | EugenMayer: they're all being stuffed into an mbox? |
| 23:12.27 | karsten | EugenMayer: Are you using procmail? |
| 23:12.44 | EugenMayer | karsten:yes |
| 23:12.49 | EugenMayer | amphi: yes |
| 23:12.59 | Debiangeo | and the result are than that the server freeze for several time |
| 23:13.25 | EugenMayer | karsten: i restored my maildir from a backup but forgot to preserve the file-creation dates. could that harm procmail ? |
| 23:13.30 | Debiangeo | i want to apply i filter for lunch only 2 process of imagemagick in the same time |
| 23:13.33 | Debiangeo | it's possible ? |
| 23:13.57 | karsten | EugenMayer: If you want to dump to a Maildir your rule should termiate in a slash-terminated name, eg: Folder/. Rather than "Folder" which is mbox. |
| 23:14.10 | Pratchett | karsten: i remember doing a test upgrade on a desktop of Etch to Lenny, i know Lenny is in testing still but i had to throw a few things around to get it to upgrade right, ive never upgraded a stable Debian system before and i have a lot of data i would like to keep, just a bit unsure if when Lenny is classed stable, if it will upgrade "right" rather than needing hands on work |
| 23:14.25 | Debiangeo | karsten> do you have an idee |
| 23:14.27 | karsten | EugenMayer: You can run procmail manually on _one_ message at a time. You can also enable debug and logging output. See the many copious manpages or find a procmail faq. |
| 23:14.45 | karsten | Debiangeo: Not really. |
| 23:15.03 | Debiangeo | for make easily |
| 23:15.16 | EugenMayer | karsten: my rules are ok, as they worked before and i did not change anything |
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| 23:15.23 | Fallenou | hi |
| 23:15.33 | Debiangeo | hoxx can i say to imagemagick than i cannot start 6 process in same time |
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| 23:15.43 | Fallenou | i found the git-core packet a bit different from what i'm used to , on debian |
| 23:15.43 | Debiangeo | but only 2 |
| 23:15.53 | Fallenou | i can't do git init or git config |
| 23:15.55 | karsten | Pratchett: You won't lose user data. You might have some apps that work differently for a while. If an application (say, usually, a database or database-backed app) finds its configuration significantly changed, you may have to migrate the data. This is _always_ documented and you're generally informed of this in the process. |
| 23:16.05 | Fallenou | is there a packet i am missing ? |
| 23:16.19 | Fallenou | to add those command |
| 23:16.32 | karsten | EugenMayer: Well, something's clearly broken. As I said, there are extensive procmail docs (manpages) and faqs. You're going to want to turn on debugging options to see what's happening and where. |
| 23:17.15 | psycodad_ | karsten: i told him to log stuff half an hour before, he keeps insisting on that "it should work that way" |
| 23:17.32 | karsten | psycodad_: Thanks. |
| 23:17.42 | Pratchett | karsten: so database data may be lost during an upgrade? |
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| 23:17.48 | EugenMayer | karsten: i turned on VERBOS=yes, but it did not help me as no new messages are arriving. I first need to get my mails out of /var/mail/user |
| 23:18.08 | _ZeuZ_ | what's better? have a low frecuency kernel? or a high frecuency kernel? |
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| 23:18.23 | psycodad_ | EugenMayer: migrating mail is a new problem, get your procmail fixed first! |
| 23:19.29 | akaaka | hello.. can someone help me with this issue i have.. i dont want splash.. o i delete all the run leves for usplash using the sudo sysv-rc-conf command |
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| 23:19.44 | akaaka | but splash still appears.. i wonder what else do i need to do |
| 23:19.53 | karsten | Pratchett: There have been several instances where database formats were changed. You'll want to follow the data migration process closely. That's about the worst that it gets, and IIRC the transitions have been very smooth lately. |
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| 23:21.04 | karsten | EugenMayer: I'd suggest dumping the messages to a temporary maildir using mutt. Copy the messages to a stub maildir (mkdir /tmp/Maildir/{tmp,new,cur}), then process files there one at a time and send them through procmail. |
| 23:21.09 | psycodad_ | Pratchett: if i understood karsten right (and thats what i experienced with all my upgrades): read the docs and nothgin will be lost, however you will maybe have to invest some work to migrate configs or such. Read the docs. |
| 23:21.37 | karsten | EugenMayer: You can do that manually or via a script. If you've got a message cache (unduplication) rule, disable it or clear the message ID cache file between runs. |
| 23:22.02 | EugenMayer | karsten: not sure what you mean |
| 23:22.02 | karsten | EugenMayer: I'd also recommend you test by deliverying to some interim location until you've got what you want. |
| 23:22.34 | karsten | EugenMayer: That would be a problem. I don't have time to explain. Suggest you read docs and faqs and work it out. |
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| 23:23.02 | karsten | pulls out his best Inigo Montoya imitation: "Let me explain. No, is too much, let me sum up..." |
| 23:23.12 | Pratchett | karsten: thanks for the help on this |
| 23:23.22 | karsten | Pratchett: NP. |
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| 23:23.38 | Pratchett | psycodad_: i always read the docs if its important upgrades, ive just seen them go wrong a lot |
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| 23:25.07 | psycodad_ | Pratchett: dont get me wrong, i alway only did old->newstable, nothing else, but this on production srvs and it went well all the time (or was fixable in time ;-)) |
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| 23:25.38 | Pratchett | i used to be a RHEL/CentOS user until i came across the upgrade process |
| 23:25.46 | Pratchett | ouch is all i can say about it |
| 23:25.48 | psycodad_ | as i understand you want something beyond stable and thats nothing i ever did. |
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| 23:27.32 | spx2 | how do I detect if somebody scans me for open ports or... stuff like that ? |
| 23:27.37 | Pratchett | psycodad_: i love Debians upgrade system, but ive heard of too many issues arising from upgrades regardless of system |
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| 23:28.41 | karsten | spx2: snort, or google for intrusion detectiond evices |
| 23:29.05 | karsten | spx2: *Not* portsentry. And configuring any of this stuff right is a bear. |
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| 23:30.01 | psycodad_ | debian gets 2 thumbs up for its upgrade systems, ive not had any such smooth transitions as from sarge to etch every. and that is 20yrs of upgrading - err reinstalling sth. |
| 23:30.20 | karsten | psycodad_: Yep, that's Debian for you ;-) |
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| 23:30.35 | karsten | psycodad_: I've been using it for ~9 years now, and have to say I love it. |
| 23:31.21 | _ZeuZ_ | akaaka, using Ubuntu? |
| 23:31.29 | psycodad_ | karsten: i use debian only since sarge...but ive used almost every other linux and bsd before...the upgrades just rocks |
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| 23:32.27 | psycodad_ | while, apropos, ubuntu is a bitch there (too). I wish I never told my gf that ubuntu has more recent version of gimp,scribus,inkscape and stuff...bah. |
| 23:32.49 | _ZeuZ_ | psycodad_, actyually pretty much all the time, Ubuntu is outdated |
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| 23:33.26 | karsten | psycodad_: Ubuntu updates more frequently than Debian. WHich matters if you're on stable. A heck of a lot of folks run Debian testing/unstable, though I'd recommend you try stable for 6 months or so before you go there. |
| 23:33.43 | karsten | psycodad_: And for an enterprise situation or similar, Ubuntu may be the better way to go. Or not. |
| 23:33.47 | psycodad_ | _ZeuZ_: let me rephrase, pretty much every kubuntu upgrade messes my weekend completely - even if i dont run it ;-) |
| 23:33.48 | _ZeuZ_ | karsten, updates of Ubuntu does not mean NEWER versions... |
| 23:33.50 | karsten | psycodad_: ... for desktop. |
| 23:34.10 | karsten | _ZeuZ_: Well, I wouldn't know all that well as I tend to run Debian ;-) |
| 23:34.15 | karsten | idles |
| 23:34.25 | _ZeuZ_ | karsten, cjeck packages.ubuntu.org |
| 23:34.28 | _ZeuZ_ | and see ;) |
| 23:34.29 | psycodad_ | karsten: i run it on my notebook for hardware reasons, but im not sure if xp would be much worse... |
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| 23:34.50 | linuxjones513 | nickserv |
| 23:35.02 | _ZeuZ_ | psycodad_, ? |
| 23:35.03 | mrtsunami | where? |
| 23:35.06 | _ZeuZ_ | hardware reasons? |
| 23:35.18 | _ZeuZ_ | psycodad_, you mean, LAZY reasons |
| 23:35.32 | _ZeuZ_ | support in linux is all the same, with more, or less difficulty to get things working |
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| 23:36.26 | psycodad_ | _ZeuZ_: debian installer doesnt recognize disk and if takes forever to install, yes sure lazy, but im not a notebook fascist, so i just wanted it working within some reasonable time and avoid the gates of hell if possible. |
| 23:37.02 | _ZeuZ_ | psycodad_, no excuse, lazyness ;) |
| 23:37.22 | _ZeuZ_ | thing is, Ubuntu's wubi installer or whatsoever, loads TONS and TONS of modules to match your hardware. |
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| 23:37.35 | psycodad_ | _ZeuZ_: never intended a excuse, i am lazy (for some systems), where i care i take the effort to install debian or openbsd. |
| 23:37.37 | _ZeuZ_ | Hence, that's what you should now and parse in the boot prompt |
| 23:37.51 | amphi | psycodad_: testing runs well here on a notebook with newish hw, FWIW |
| 23:38.10 | _ZeuZ_ | psycodad_, openBSD is worse in some cases, BTX loader halts in different hardwares and it's often not salvable error |
| 23:39.30 | _ZeuZ_ | psycodad_, same as with fBSD... not even 8.0-current has this worked on |
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| 23:39.36 | psycodad_ | _ZeuZ_: i use openbsd only on servers, and yes its pesky about avoidable hardware, but its probably the stablest thing i ever ran. |
| 23:40.01 | psycodad_ | but notebooks and laptops are bitches anyway regarding oss os'es |
| 23:40.09 | _ZeuZ_ | fBSD is even stabler |
| 23:40.19 | _ZeuZ_ | thing is, not as much desktop oriented now |
| 23:40.59 | psycodad_ | i run mainly servers, so my view may be biased |
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| 23:48.17 | EugenMayer | karsten: could it be, that /var/mail/user is not mbox ? iam trying to run an mbox2maildir script on it an get "this is not an mbox file" |
| 23:50.00 | ma3x | can anyone help me with firefox when itry to install adblock plus i get this error |
| 23:50.16 | ma3x | firefox could not install the file http://addons..........because: unexpected installation error |
| 23:50.31 | ma3x | im trying to install the addon adblockplus |
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| 23:52.52 | slackd00d | ma3x: aptitude install adblock-plus |
| 23:53.36 | enouf | see, with links2 -g, no need for all that nonsense you weenies put up with |
| 23:54.36 | _ZeuZ_ | enouf, neither with elinks, so? :) anyone can choose |
| 23:54.50 | slackd00d | ya because aptitude installing something is so hard |
| 23:55.13 | _ZeuZ_ | slackd00d, weird that you actually seems a slacker with pkg_add ;) |
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| 23:55.36 | enouf | he said firefox, not iceweasel - learn to read |
| 23:55.55 | _ZeuZ_ | enouf, whatever, it's a fork and we did understand what he asked... |
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| 23:56.09 | slackd00d | enouf: and he's asking in #debian |
| 23:56.10 | enouf | no you didn't, but i don't give a crap |
| 23:56.14 | amphi | enouf: on your hobby-horse again? ;) |
| 23:56.21 | _ZeuZ_ | amphi++ |
| 23:56.22 | enouf | amphi: gitty-up! ;-) |
| 23:56.39 | amphi | heh |
| 23:57.29 | ma3x | i said firefox, cause if i say iceweasel many wont understand :* |
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| 23:58.10 | ma3x | enouf: you can't watch videos and open flash stuff with links2 |
| 23:58.17 | amphi | ma3x: eh? who wouldn't understand in here? red hat fifth columnists? |
| 23:58.30 | linuxjones513 | so when i start my computer normally it looks like the xserver crashes to me, so i start it in single user mode, and anytime i try to log in i get "configuratiol error - unknowl item 'SYSLOG_SG_ENAB' (notify admilistratop) and a whole lot of similar errors, with the stuff in the 's replaced with stuff like ttyperm and pass_max_days, anyone have any ideas as to why? |
| 23:58.34 | ma3x | dont call me winnie, windows tool just screwed my ext3 partition today |
| 23:58.46 | ma3x | had 8 hours of work to fix things back |
| 23:59.18 | amphi | ma3x: ISTR that happening to someone else recently |
| 23:59.20 | ma3x | finally burned that gparted cd, which helps me with partitioning |
| 23:59.21 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, in recovery mode, reconfigure X (X -configure) |
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| 23:59.27 | ma3x | what's istr? |
| 23:59.30 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, that will give you a solution, then work from there. |
| 23:59.34 | amphi | !istr |
| 23:59.34 | dpkg | it has been said that istr is I seem to recall/remember |
| 23:59.42 | kahn | whats the best dark theme for gnome? |
| 23:59.51 | ma3x | amphi: to whom |
| 23:59.57 | ma3x | to me probably |
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