| 00:00.07 | amphi | ma3x: I forget; I think it was mentioned in the other channel |
| 00:00.08 | enouf | ma3x: only fools equate browsers with video |
| 00:00.21 | ma3x | the day before, i had to reinstall because i mixed etch and lenny |
| 00:00.27 | linuxjones513 | _ZeuZ_ will that fix the log in problem? and is recovery mode the same as single user mode? or do you mean from the cd? |
| 00:00.37 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, same |
| 00:00.42 | ma3x | enouf: dude if you wanna watch something on a website, what do you do? |
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| 00:00.46 | ma3x | you get a browser with a video |
| 00:00.48 | _ZeuZ_ | I just gave an advice in a Ubuntu channel and there they call it that way |
| 00:00.49 | ma3x | especially if the video's in flash |
| 00:00.59 | enouf | ma3x: i use my script |
| 00:01.02 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, yes, that will fix the booting problem of X windows/server |
| 00:01.05 | ma3x | script for what? |
| 00:01.15 | EugenMayer | what format could a file in /var/mail/user have, if its not mailbox ? |
| 00:01.17 | amphi | _ZeuZ_: ubuntu has iceweasel rather than firefox? |
| 00:01.18 | ma3x | decoding flash, finding out urls? |
| 00:01.18 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, single-user mode (as the one you use for fsck) |
| 00:01.19 | enouf | to watch the video in a movie player |
| 00:01.28 | _ZeuZ_ | amphi, nep, they have FIrefox |
| 00:01.30 | enouf | yep, basically |
| 00:01.31 | amphi | EugenMayer: does file(1) have no idea what it it? |
| 00:01.42 | _ZeuZ_ | dunno if they have Iceweasel on their repos |
| 00:01.47 | linuxjones513 | _ZeuZ_ i cant even log in in single user mode, something crashes in fsck saying error 4 |
| 00:01.47 | slackd00d | ya because of browsing to the site and watching the video you have to goto the site copy+paste the address and then run a script, then launch a player |
| 00:01.47 | ma3x | enouf: use pastebin and paste me that script right away! |
| 00:01.52 | _ZeuZ_ | I suppose packages.ubuntu.org/iceweasel should tell us something |
| 00:01.53 | ma3x | enouf: else i'll shoot you |
| 00:01.58 | EugenMayer | amphi: ISO-8859 mail text |
| 00:02.00 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, oh |
| 00:02.00 | neonlightning | enouf, lately i've been trying to watch a couple videos that qj has and they arn't loading so that may be useful to me what one is it? |
| 00:02.15 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, then get a live CD, and mount -bind the partitions to edit it |
| 00:02.24 | _ZeuZ_ | then try to work there... |
| 00:02.28 | _ZeuZ_ | still, what does fsck say? |
| 00:02.30 | enouf | ma3x: but saying firefox instead of icewesel in here, because " if i say iceweasel many wont understand :*" is just borderline moronic |
| 00:02.43 | stew | enouf: please keep it constructive |
| 00:02.43 | enouf | ma3x: now, did aptitude fix you right? |
| 00:02.44 | _ZeuZ_ | enouf++ |
| 00:02.52 | enouf | stew: sure, np |
| 00:02.54 | neonlightning | tends to use seamonkey(iceape) thesedays |
| 00:02.59 | ma3x | enouf: iceweasel is just the package name! 'firefox' is the browser's real name |
| 00:03.01 | ma3x | get that??? |
| 00:03.06 | linuxjones513 | _ZeuZ_ if i even get that far, now its crashing in some new and unusual way |
| 00:03.14 | enouf | ma3x: have it you way, forget it |
| 00:03.15 | ma3x | it became iceweasel just half year ago, or one at most |
| 00:03.16 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, :| |
| 00:03.28 | linuxjones513 | lots of gibberish |
| 00:03.31 | stew | ma3x: you are wrong about that on both counts |
| 00:03.32 | enouf | ma3x: guess you don't want that script ;-) |
| 00:03.33 | amphi | ma3x: have you looked at help->about ? ;) |
| 00:03.39 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, tell us how it fails, and what's the output |
| 00:03.43 | ma3x | stew: wrong about what |
| 00:03.53 | stew | ma3x: the name of the browser, and how long it has been in existence |
| 00:04.15 | ma3x | it says mozilla there |
| 00:04.27 | _ZeuZ_ | Facepalm** |
| 00:04.50 | linuxjones513 | _ZeuZ_ there is a WHOLE lot of output i dont know how to pastebin it with it not being able to get online and whatnot |
| 00:05.03 | amphi | 's eyes stray towards the oubliette |
| 00:05.21 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, tell at least what does it say with your words |
| 00:05.26 | ma3x | stew: there was no iceweasel before |
| 00:05.32 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, but trying to attain to what it really sais |
| 00:05.33 | ma3x | The new names established by Debian were Iceweasel for Mozilla Firefox, Icedove for Mozilla Thunderbird, and Iceape for SeaMonkey. ... |
| 00:05.42 | _ZeuZ_ | !iceweasel |
| 00:05.42 | dpkg | hmm... iceweasel is the name of a DFSG-free fork of Firefox, which replaces Firefox in Debian starting from Etch. It is different from GNU's version of Firefox, which formerly had the same name but is now known as IceCat (http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/). To learn about the reasons for the fork, ask me about <why iceweasel>. |
| 00:05.54 | ma3x | In 2006, |
| 00:05.55 | slackd00d | and iceowl |
| 00:05.55 | themill | ma3x: please stop trying to tell us things that we know and you clearly don't |
| 00:05.56 | _ZeuZ_ | ma3x, ask dpkg and stop fighting. |
| 00:06.05 | stew | ma3x: wrong |
| 00:06.09 | ma3x | im not fighting |
| 00:06.14 | ma3x | stew: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IceDove inform yourself |
| 00:06.26 | _ZeuZ_ | ma3x, Icedove =! Iceweasel |
| 00:06.37 | amphi | heh, wikipedia |
| 00:06.51 | ma3x | whats wrong with wikipedia |
| 00:06.57 | themill | ma3x: you'll also notice that 2006 is more than "6 months ago or a year at most" |
| 00:07.11 | _ZeuZ_ | themill++ |
| 00:07.17 | enouf | neonlightning: it's a small thing that i used to do manually, that n3kl created a script to do - youtube related really - here ya go, enjoy all - http://pastebin.ca/raw/1090298 (note, you just need to plugin which (general) youtube link it is, as you can see) |
| 00:07.32 | ma3x | themill: whatever, time flies who cares if it's year or two |
| 00:07.41 | ma3x | main thing - it's recent |
| 00:07.44 | _ZeuZ_ | ma3x, you seemed to did. |
| 00:07.49 | neonlightning | enouf, oh ok so its alot like the psptube program then |
| 00:07.55 | ma3x | and again - it's the same structure as firefox! |
| 00:07.57 | ma3x | just the name is different |
| 00:08.07 | stew | ma3x: no, more than just the name is different |
| 00:08.15 | themill | ma3x: how about you discuss this in #debian-offtopic |
| 00:08.17 | slackd00d | ya, so are the pictures |
| 00:08.26 | enouf | neonlightning: no ide |
| 00:08.32 | enouf | no idea even |
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| 00:08.38 | amphi | feels another spork coming on |
| 00:08.38 | ma3x | yes i see only the logo is different :p |
| 00:08.44 | ma3x | enouf: now how about you paste that script :pp |
| 00:08.50 | neonlightning | he did |
| 00:08.51 | enouf | ... |
| 00:08.55 | _ZeuZ_ | ma3x, check diffs against both sources and STFU! |
| 00:08.58 | _ZeuZ_ | :) |
| 00:08.59 | stew | ma3x: and font support, and depending on the version, security patches |
| 00:09.00 | amphi | damn, abrotman isn't here for sporking |
| 00:09.20 | ma3x | stew: font support :)) |
| 00:09.24 | neonlightning | amphi, thats kinda weird abrot is almost always in here |
| 00:09.27 | dFence | hossa! |
| 00:09.33 | ma3x | ok ok the debian team takes care for iceweasel now |
| 00:09.51 | amphi | neonlightning: perhaps he sensed the imminence of another spork incident, and fled |
| 00:09.59 | neonlightning | amphi, gotta be |
| 00:09.59 | ma3x | but it still looks to same to me as firefox |
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| 00:10.09 | _ZeuZ_ | Prays for some OP to come here and place order and justice |
| 00:10.20 | enouf | amphi: try hard not to poke yourself - you know how unwieldy those untame sporks can be ;-) |
| 00:10.56 | linuxjones513 | as far as i can shift+ page up it starts with ndiswrapper: unknown symbol e, r, g, k, b_kill_urb, g, e,g,e then i get some call trace and code: a lot of numbers and then some inconsistancy detected by ld.so: dl-fini.c: 170: _dl_fini: assertion 'i < nloaded; failed! |
| 00:11.00 | amphi | enouf: I lost control of one badly in -offtopic the other day, it got onto a mailing list |
| 00:11.15 | ma3x | stew: regarding the font support, i've copied all fonts from windows to ~/.fonts and sites look a lot better now |
| 00:11.18 | enouf | slippery suckers those .. |
| 00:11.38 | stew | ma3x: ok |
| 00:11.46 | amphi | ma3x: comic sans - nothing like it |
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| 00:11.48 | dFence | *shivers* ndiswrapper *ylk* |
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| 00:12.04 | neonlightning | amphi, web/wing dings :) |
| 00:12.14 | linuxjones513 | then some /etc/rcs.d/s10checkroot.sh cannot duplicate fd -3 to fd 1 bad file descriptop, that repeats about 6 times |
| 00:12.27 | linuxjones513 | should i just reinstall |
| 00:12.28 | linuxjones513 | ? |
| 00:12.49 | ma3x | amphi: serif serif sans-serif and monospace and a lotta win fonts |
| 00:13.06 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxjones513, it would ease your life... |
| 00:13.15 | linuxjones513 | ok |
| 00:13.25 | dFence | i'm still on the raid-subject.... i was wondering: i need disks (or partitions?) of the same size for a raid - i'm clear on that so far. but::: i need a swap partition - so how do i pull that off? create an identical partition on disk1 and disk2, use disk1p1 as swap, disk2p1 as.. home or whatever and disk1p2 and disk2p2 as raid? |
| 00:13.25 | _ZeuZ_ | yay! make-kpkg is just finishing the packages I need to deploy tomorrow morning |
| 00:13.40 | amphi | ma3x: I have the msttcorefonts installed, but I don't find I use them |
| 00:14.14 | ma3x | amphi: that's nothing, just copy all fonts from windows |
| 00:14.23 | amphi | what windows? |
| 00:14.33 | ma3x | amphi: never used windows before? |
| 00:14.36 | ma3x | forget it then |
| 00:14.42 | themill | ma3x: why would I want non-free fonts? |
| 00:14.47 | jaggz- | hramrach: thanks (about the drive test).. dd just finished and I guess I'll give this drive to my mama now |
| 00:14.49 | amphi | I have, bit not for a good while |
| 00:14.52 | jaggz- | later all :) |
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| 00:15.26 | amphi | I find the dejavu fonts pleasant enough |
| 00:15.33 | ma3x | themill: well you won't sell those fonts for money, you'll just use them. police won't arrest you |
| 00:16.00 | jelly-home | ma3x: great insight into (c) law! |
| 00:16.10 | themill | ma3x: you seem to have missed the point of software freedom |
| 00:16.11 | ma3x | did i say something wrong? |
| 00:16.23 | ma3x | be so good and tell me |
| 00:16.32 | amphi | I thought the msttcorefonts and vistafonts were redistributable |
| 00:17.12 | ma3x | under any circumstances i think you can use them in linux |
| 00:17.13 | themill | amphi: ish. free-beer not freedom. Where's the font development source files? |
| 00:17.14 | ma3x | it's legal, right? |
| 00:17.36 | themill | ma3x: for some of them, only if you have a windows licence. |
| 00:17.40 | amphi | themill: sure; I was refering to ma3x's 'police' remark above |
| 00:17.53 | themill | amphi: ah, yeah |
| 00:18.40 | themill | isn't sure if ma3x is a troll or just thinks he knows more than he does |
| 00:18.44 | ma3x | themill: im not saying go to some company and install on 500+ computers ms fonts |
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| 00:18.54 | jelly-home | Crossover Office somehow manages to find a free download (of word or excel viewer, I think) and install Tahoma without me having to click an EULA. |
| 00:19.10 | ma3x | but you can use them in linux to have better view of fonts in iceweasel |
| 00:19.22 | amphi | vrms doesn't like msttcorefonts, so that settles that, I guess ;) |
| 00:19.28 | themill | :) |
| 00:19.58 | enouf | grows a virtual beard |
| 00:20.11 | amphi | ma3x: I don't think arial and times new roman are particularly attractive fonts |
| 00:20.27 | jelly-home | Vedr |
| 00:20.35 | ma3x | how do you sum up the total number of .fonts/ ? |
| 00:20.42 | jelly-home | Verdana and some other are usable |
| 00:21.44 | _ZeuZ_ | ma3x, ls ~/.fonts > list | wc list |
| 00:21.46 | ma3x | sometimes fonts are way too big or crossing tables |
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| 00:22.18 | themill | fails to see what any of this has to do with debian support |
| 00:22.38 | _ZeuZ_ | themill, nothing, but he refuses to go to #debian-offtopic as for now |
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| 00:22.45 | themill | *sigh* |
| 00:22.47 | Katty | themill: i had emergency surgery wednesday |
| 00:22.52 | Katty | themill: would you like to talk about that? |
| 00:22.57 | themill | no |
| 00:22.59 | Katty | k |
| 00:23.07 | ma3x | i was just talking about iceweasel (debian) |
| 00:23.07 | lfs | After intalling an application how to update Gnome to show the icon? |
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| 00:24.20 | snakeAs | hi |
| 00:24.45 | enouf | adds one s to the end of snakeAs :-P |
| 00:24.47 | ma3x | lfs: update-menus |
| 00:25.04 | Katty | enouf: enouf! |
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| 00:25.34 | amphi | !enouf |
| 00:25.34 | dpkg | Cut it out! |
| 00:25.40 | amphi | heh |
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| 00:26.11 | enouf | hah (/me subverts to change that) |
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| 00:26.30 | snakeAs | lol enouf |
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| 00:34.43 | ma3x | does ipw3945-source build with m-a in linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686? |
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| 00:42.34 | enouf | ma3x: and neonlightning and all others, fwiw, here's all i do now to play a youbube video => $ youtube.sh http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2SED6sewRw |
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| 00:43.52 | ma3x | enouf: is that real time? |
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| 00:43.58 | ma3x | i usually download it with clive |
| 00:44.02 | enouf | ma3x: realtime .. |
| 00:44.09 | ma3x | what's the script mate |
| 00:44.30 | enouf | ma3x: now, i'll post the modified version , which you save as a bash cript and chmod +x it, and put it in your PATH |
| 00:44.55 | ma3x | alright... |
| 00:45.16 | ma3x | are you using mplayer to play it |
| 00:45.17 | ma3x | ? |
| 00:45.21 | ma3x | that'd be awesome! |
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| 00:46.09 | enouf | ma3x: http://pastebin.ca/raw/1090326 and others |
| 00:46.28 | enouf | ma3x: yep, mplayer - notice the last past -> | xargs mplayer - |
| 00:47.31 | enouf | s/past/part |
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| 00:49.21 | ma3x | tr: missing operand |
| 00:49.51 | enouf | ma3x: make sure no line breaks |
| 00:50.02 | enouf | ma3x: or use \ o break it up |
| 00:50.06 | enouf | s/o/to |
| 00:50.33 | neonlightning | works fine with me just i have a slow connection so i gotta wait for download |
| 00:52.11 | owen1 | s |
| 00:52.17 | xci | does someone want to recommend an X-locking software |
| 00:52.19 | ma3x | i get errors like [flv @ 0x870a5e8]skipping flv packet: type 46, size 532610, flags 0 |
| 00:52.20 | ma3x | Stream not seekable! |
| 00:52.25 | owen1 | after upgrade to lenny i can't login to X - http://paste.debain.net/13598 (here is the the log) |
| 00:53.13 | amphi | xci: xtrlock is small |
| 00:53.52 | amphi | good ghod, paste.debain.net actually exists |
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| 00:57.57 | ma3x | amphi: it was channels.debian.net/paste before |
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| 00:59.40 | ma3x | ah he misspelled it |
| 01:00.04 | owen1 | after upgrade to lenny i can't login to X - http://paste.debian.net/13598 (here is the the log) |
| 01:00.07 | ma3x | owen1: try using 'vesa' as driver :) |
| 01:00.24 | ma3x | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:00.25 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32. Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 01:00.28 | owen1 | ma3x: how do i do that> |
| 01:00.50 | ma3x | edit xorg.conf |
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| 01:01.40 | owen1 | ma3x: what kind of changes in xorg.cong |
| 01:01.41 | neonlightning | enouf, shoulda warned me that it was a 116mb file i found that out by using the script - mplayer portion and wgetting the file |
| 01:01.50 | amphi | owen1: (EE) Failed to load module "nv" (module does not exist, 0) would seem to be the problem |
| 01:02.17 | neonlightning | owen1, your using a newer xorg then the one your nvidia drivers were made for |
| 01:02.40 | amphi | owen1: you could try installing xserver-xorg-video-nv |
| 01:02.50 | owen1 | amphi: will do it now. |
| 01:03.08 | amphi | owen1: that driver will not provide 3d accel |
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| 01:04.20 | neonlightning | amphi, i'm not sure if i prefer my ati with lack of 2d accel or the nvidia with lack of 3d accel |
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| 01:05.26 | amphi | neonlightning: I'm quite happy with my intel |
| 01:05.31 | ma3x | amphi: you know if ipw can be builded with module-assistant in latest etch kernel? |
| 01:05.43 | blahdeblah-lap | Hi. Is there any better option than mailman for setting up mailing lists for non-technical end-users? I'd like something that has a really simple web interface. |
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| 01:05.55 | amphi | ma3x: no; I use neither ipw3945 nor etch |
| 01:06.06 | neonlightning | amphi, i just wish i had the 40$ to go from my r9250 to the r9600 sitting at my fave shop in town |
| 01:06.12 | owen1 | amphi: neonlightning: thanks, worked. can you explain what does it mean 2d/3d and what are my opions? |
| 01:06.33 | ma3x | amphi: when i do apt-cache search ipw3945 i get ipw3945-modules-2.6-686 |
| 01:06.50 | ma3x | does that mean it can't be built under latest etch kernel? |
| 01:06.56 | neonlightning | owen1, 3d acceleration is more for games 2d acceleration is more for displaying your basic graphics makes things faster |
| 01:07.14 | neonlightning | owen1, takes some of the load off the cpu for rendering that stuff and does it in the video card instead |
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| 01:08.45 | owen1 | neonlightning: so since my nvidia video card can't play nicely with the xorg of lenny i had to choose a driver that does not support 3d but does support 2d? |
| 01:09.24 | neonlightning | yea basically but its not that big of an issue i've only seen a couple of games that truely need it and compiz |
| 01:09.55 | owen1 | neonlightning: compiz my a#@ (-: |
| 01:10.00 | neonlightning | because lack of 3d acceleration doesn't mean you can't play a 3d game just means you can't play it at the same frames per second you would with it |
| 01:10.11 | neonlightning | owen1, i'm a fluxbox fan myself |
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| 01:10.17 | owen1 | neonlightning: dwm |
| 01:10.34 | neonlightning | couldn't get the hang of it |
| 01:11.35 | owen1 | neonlightning: what if one day i'll decide to play flightgear? can i install a driver that support 3d with my nvidia or should i change to older xorg? |
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| 01:11.56 | neonlightning | well idk anything about flightgear so no clue |
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| 01:12.40 | owen1 | neonlightning: it's a flight simulator. what if one day i want 3d? |
| 01:13.23 | neonlightning | as i said you can do 3d just not as fast |
| 01:13.40 | neonlightning | not too many things need the acceleration |
| 01:13.44 | owen1 | neonlightning: got it, but what if i do want fast? |
| 01:14.40 | Wyzard | neonlightning: that's a bit of an understatement... doing 3D stuff without 3D acceleration is not *nearly* as fast |
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| 01:15.12 | Wyzard | Unless you like playing games at 3fps, you want 3D acceleration |
| 01:15.22 | owen1 | can i use debian with 3d acceleration> |
| 01:15.24 | owen1 | ? |
| 01:15.56 | Wyzard | owen1: nVidia has a driver for xorg that does full 3D acceleration, though it's not open-source |
| 01:16.06 | Wyzard | owen1: It's currently not available in lenny though; I'm not sure why |
| 01:16.14 | owen1 | Wyzard: got it. |
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| 01:16.30 | Wyzard | owen1: You may be able to use the nVidia packages from sid |
| 01:16.39 | raptelan|bepress | hi, I need a package that's in etch-backports but really have no idea how to make apt know it's available |
| 01:16.47 | raptelan|bepress | any good page on that? |
| 01:16.49 | Wyzard | owen1: or wait for it to get into lenny (which it hopefully will sometime before lenny is released) |
| 01:17.34 | owen1 | Wyzard: ok |
| 01:17.42 | neonlightning | Winkie, its due to the xorg version if i'm not mistaken |
| 01:17.52 | raptelan|bepress | n/m i found http://www.backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 01:18.02 | owen1 | neonlightning: how do i know my xorg version? |
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| 01:18.06 | neonlightning | Winkie, sorry |
| 01:18.29 | neonlightning | Wyzard, that was ment to you |
| 01:19.11 | neonlightning | owen1, i think they have one for upto xorg 7.2 and i'm using lenny and i have 7.3 |
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| 01:19.59 | neonlightning | i just use apt-cache show xorg to find out my version |
| 01:20.49 | neonlightning | altho xserver-xorg would be more correct to search for |
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| 01:23.28 | Wyzard | neonlightning: I know that etch's nVidia driver doesn't work in lenny because it's built using an older object format which lenny's newer xorg dropped support for |
| 01:23.39 | fox | Firefox refuses to run as a regular user on Debian Lenny |
| 01:23.46 | fox | Could someone help me with this please? |
| 01:24.03 | Wyzard | neonlightning: It used to be that sid's nVidia driver didn't work in lenny either, because of an ABI difference between lenny's and sid's xorg versions |
| 01:24.20 | Wyzard | neonlightning: I've been told that's no longer true, though I haven't checked it myself |
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| 01:24.28 | gribozavr | fox: where did you download ff? |
| 01:24.45 | fox | gribozavr: actually it's the iceweasel package from the lenny repo |
| 01:25.24 | gribozavr | fox: try starting it with -ProfileManager and create a new profile |
| 01:25.51 | fox | gribozavr: no dice, it won't even load |
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| 01:26.17 | gribozavr | fox: oh, does it dump anything to console? |
| 01:26.25 | fox | nope. blankity blank. |
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| 01:27.04 | gribozavr | tried strace -f ? |
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| 01:27.11 | hedos | Hello. How can I stop apache from starting when Debian does? |
| 01:27.37 | gribozavr | i mean, strace -f iceweasel |
| 01:27.54 | fox | gribozavr: I don't seem to have that command? |
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| 01:28.06 | fox | gribozavr: the strange thing is, that it'll run as root |
| 01:28.30 | zorrolero | hercynium: update-rc.d -f apache remove |
| 01:28.33 | gribozavr | strace dumps to the console what the program does: every system call |
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| 01:28.56 | zorrolero | uh, hedos:update-rc.d -f apache remove |
| 01:29.00 | hercynium | lol |
| 01:29.10 | hercynium | got my attention there, zorrolero |
| 01:29.16 | hedos | Thanks zorrolero! |
| 01:29.20 | gribozavr | if it runs as root... |
| 01:29.40 | zorrolero | hercynium: ok, sorry for that.) |
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| 01:29.48 | hercynium | np :) |
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| 01:30.02 | gribozavr | does it really do nothing when strarted as iceweasel -ProfileManager ? i just never seen that... |
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| 01:30.45 | kannon | hello any body use xen for virtualization? |
| 01:30.55 | gribozavr | strace could tell you something about what the program did before hanging |
| 01:31.03 | fox | gribozavr: yeah, I'm running a fresh install of Debian Lenny, I only installed the base system and the laptop section, If i did a full desktop install, it works, but otherwise, it dies. |
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| 01:31.18 | ma3x | howdy people |
| 01:31.36 | Wyzard | kannon: I use Xen on my router |
| 01:32.04 | fox | oh...........crap, you've got to be kidding m. |
| 01:32.05 | gribozavr | fox: seems like missed dependencies or something |
| 01:32.14 | fox | gribozavr: i might've figured it out |
| 01:33.04 | ma3x | can anyone tell me why this build fails? http://pastebin.ca/1090358 |
| 01:33.06 | gribozavr | fox: as a workaround you could download official build of firefox and unpack it to your $HOME... |
| 01:33.17 | fox | gribozavr: WIN, strange, it couldn't access ~/.mozilla, so it died, I changed the owner from root to fox and it worked. |
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| 01:33.47 | Wyzard | ma3x: looks like your ipw3945 source doesn't support the kernel you're trying to build it against |
| 01:33.48 | td123 | ma3x: don't use ipw3945, use iwlwifi |
| 01:34.05 | gribozavr | fox: i'll try to reproduce that now |
| 01:34.16 | ma3x | td123: it's not available in etch |
| 01:34.25 | fox | gribozavr: well it works now, so I'm happy, ty for your help. |
| 01:34.26 | td123 | ma3x: oh, nvm :P |
| 01:35.57 | Igneous | hey, what package is gnome-config in? I'm trying to build glbcc (the gnu liberty basic compiler collection) and it's failing because it can't find gnome-config |
| 01:36.24 | gribozavr | fox: seems like you found a bug |
| 01:36.30 | amphi | ma3x: kernel/module version mismatch, I would say |
| 01:36.53 | gribozavr | there is an error message to display, but it is not displayed for some reason |
| 01:37.01 | kannon | Wyzard, i have xen 3.1 and my DomU is brazilfw... is a firewall like ipcop... |
| 01:37.10 | ma3x | so basically there is no wireless driver package for linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
| 01:37.16 | ma3x | not ipw3945 not iwl3945 |
| 01:37.21 | ma3x | that's silly |
| 01:37.27 | fox | gribozavr: will you report it or shall i? |
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| 01:37.54 | kannon | Wyzard, all ok, i can installed but, the problem is: tha machine on my network with windows...the internet not work, but i use linux-debian and i can use internet |
| 01:38.00 | gribozavr | i will dissect it, i have some experience reporting firefox bugs |
| 01:38.01 | amphi | ma3x: I doubt ipw3945 has been ported to .24 |
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| 01:38.18 | ma3x | pitty |
| 01:38.19 | galen | i'm trying to script something in an environment where i will auto-discover the remote machine, running ssh. this means that its ip will always be changing... is there any way to make ssh *not* base its known_host checking on IP? |
| 01:38.29 | ma3x | no internet possibility for me :( |
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| 01:38.47 | amphi | ma3x: you can build the out of tree driver from intel's site |
| 01:39.02 | ma3x | amphi: which one? |
| 01:39.03 | kannon | i use iptables -A FORWARD -m physdev --physdev-out eth0 --physdev-in '!' eth0 -j ACCEPT |
| 01:39.06 | amphi | ma3x: iwl, that is |
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| 01:39.31 | ma3x | amphi: i already did that, bad signal/buggy driver |
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| 01:40.00 | amphi | ma3x: use an older kernel with ipw3945, would seem to be your other option |
| 01:41.04 | ma3x | amphi: yes but then i can't mplayer -vo xv |
| 01:41.16 | amphi | why not? |
| 01:41.17 | ma3x | because the older kernel has no xv support for my intel card |
| 01:41.28 | ma3x | and xorg runs with 'vesa' driver only |
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| 01:41.46 | amphi | ah |
| 01:42.22 | kannon | Wyzard, any help? |
| 01:42.57 | amphi | in that case, bad signal/buggy driver would seem better than nothing; perhaps you can submit a useful bug report to the intel devs |
| 01:43.15 | lymeca | Hi, I have PHP 5.2.0 on Debian stable, and unfortunately it is very much so broken. It happened recently, but trying to run any PHP scripts, no matter how simple, always cause Apache 2 to leave a segfault error in error.log. |
| 01:43.32 | amphi | when I was on the ipw2200 list, things seemed to get fixed quite fast, at least sometimes |
| 01:44.34 | Wyzard | kannon: What's with the physdev iptables stuff? |
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| 01:44.45 | Wyzard | kannon: If I understand you correctly, you're using a Xen domU as a router |
| 01:45.07 | Wyzard | kannon: You shouldn't need special iptables rules for that, besides the normal masquerading and firewalling stuff |
| 01:45.48 | ma3x | brb |
| 01:46.05 | Wyzard | kannon: On my router domU, eth0 is connected to my LAN via xenbr0 in dom0 |
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| 01:46.29 | kannon | Wyzard, no i using brazilfw domU, an xen dom0, my idea, is use brazilfw like gateway an proxy cache |
| 01:46.42 | Wyzard | kannon: and eth1 is a separate network card that's bound directly to the domU |
| 01:47.12 | Wyzard | kannon: "gateway and proxy cache" meaning that all your Internet traffic goes through it, right? |
| 01:47.23 | kannon | Wyzard, my configuration is like a bridge, i hve 3 nics |
| 01:47.45 | kannon | Wyzard, yes gateway and proxy cache |
| 01:48.10 | Wyzard | kannon: What are each of the 3 NICs used for? |
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| 01:48.20 | Wyzard | kannon: A gateway only needs two, so I'm confused about the third one |
| 01:48.54 | kannon | Wyzard, i have 2 lines dsl |
| 01:48.58 | Wyzard | unless you have two separate LANs behind a single router, or if you have two of them bridged so they act as a 2-port switch |
| 01:48.59 | kannon | 2MB |
| 01:49.15 | Wyzard | ok |
| 01:50.11 | Wyzard | Making a home router use two separate Internet connections together is tricky |
| 01:50.13 | kannon | yes... i have xebr0--->line 1; xenbr1---> line 2; and xenbr2--->LAN |
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| 01:51.53 | Wyzard | And your Windows machine is unable to talk to the Internet, you say |
| 01:51.54 | kannon | them my domu config is ....vif=['type=netfront, bridge=xenbr0','bridge=xenbr2'] |
| 01:51.58 | Wyzard | Is it able to talk to the gateway? |
| 01:51.59 | kannon | yes |
| 01:52.07 | kannon | yes... |
| 01:52.18 | Wyzard | I'm not familiar with type=netfront |
| 01:52.38 | kannon | i change to ioemu |
| 01:52.46 | Wyzard | I use: vif = [ 'bridge=xenbr0, mac=00:16:3e:f6:70:20' ] |
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| 01:53.10 | Wyzard | xenbr0 is connected to m y LAN |
| 01:53.17 | kannon | vif=['type=ioemu,bridge=xenbr10,mac=00:16:3E:26:9F:F8','bridge=xenbr0,mac=00:16:3E:3B:F4:7E'] |
| 01:53.39 | kannon | xenbr10 is connected to my LAN |
| 01:53.40 | Wyzard | The other NIC, connected to theInternet, is delegated to the domU: pci = [ '00:12.0' ] |
| 01:54.19 | Wyzard | since the gateway domU is the only thing that's supposed to be talking through that NIC anyway, it's simpler than setting up another bridge for it |
| 01:54.28 | kannon | how i can use pci? |
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| 01:54.47 | Wyzard | Run lspci to find the PCI ID of the NIC that your DSL is connected to |
| 01:55.04 | Wyzard | In my case it's 00:12.0 |
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| 01:55.24 | Wyzard | In my kopt= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst in dom0, I put: pciback.hide=(00:12.0) |
| 01:55.34 | Wyzard | That makes dom0 ignore that PCI device |
| 01:55.44 | Wyzard | then in the domU's config file, I put that pci= line |
| 01:55.51 | Wyzard | that lets the domU see the PCI card directly |
| 01:56.33 | Wyzard | domU loads the driver (8139too) in my case and talks to the real hardware just like on any other Linux system |
| 01:57.31 | ma3x | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source' |
| 01:57.34 | Wyzard | sorry, that was supposed to be "(8139too in my case)" |
| 01:57.35 | ma3x | what's that? |
| 01:58.00 | Wyzard | ma3x: By convention, /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/source is a symlink to the source tree that the kernel was built from |
| 01:58.25 | Wyzard | ma3x: like the "build" symlink that points to headers for building out-of-tree kernel modules, but the "source" symlink (if it exists) is expected to be a full source tree, not just headers |
| 01:59.32 | ma3x | Wyzard: so what do i do? that's what happens when i 'make' inside iwlwifi-1.2.25 |
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| 02:00.05 | Wyzard | Maybe iwlwifi actually depends on a full source tree rather than just the headers |
| 02:00.15 | kannon_ | and the domU use the nic directly? without bridge |
| 02:00.28 | Wyzard | Some modules do that, because they need "private" headers or other files that aren't part of a normal set of headers |
| 02:00.37 | Wyzard | but I don't know anything about iwlwifi, so I'm just guessing |
| 02:00.42 | Wyzard | kannon: yep |
| 02:01.11 | Wyzard | kannon: It may not have anything to do with the problem you're actually trying to fix right now, but it makes the configuration simpler |
| 02:01.11 | ma3x | wybczu: so should i install linux-tree-2.6.18 ? |
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| 02:01.18 | Cholito | I have a wifi usb, there is no drivers for linux (not yet thou), so I installed ndiswrapper. Modules are loaded and driver installed. I also ran 'ndiswrapper -m' but still no wifi, wlan0 or anything alike |
| 02:01.34 | Cholito | looking at dmesg I see this http://pastebin.cholito.org/pastebin.php?show=188 |
| 02:01.59 | ma3x | Cholito: what kind of usb wifi you have? |
| 02:01.59 | Wyzard | ma3x: I don't know whether that's the right thing to do; I've never built a kernel module that depended on anything more than normal linux-headers |
| 02:02.04 | Wyzard | ma3x: I've just heard about them |
| 02:02.31 | Cholito | ma3x: it's a telsey (I got it for free from my isp...) |
| 02:02.52 | ma3x | Cholito: what chipset |
| 02:02.56 | Cholito | wait |
| 02:03.06 | kannon_ | so, in xend-config.sxp comment the line (network-script network-bridge) |
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| 02:03.24 | kannon_ | or only use a one bridge |
| 02:03.24 | Vasistha | what are those numbers like [ 10.785618] that appear in the logs and during bootup in lenny? |
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| 02:03.47 | Wyzard | kannon: I also put "noirqdebug" in dom0's GRUB options and as an extra= line in the domU's config, to suppress some harmless warnings that Xen was producing (this is mentioned in the documentation as a troubleshooting measure) |
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| 02:04.14 | ma3x | Kernel Makefile not found at '/lib/modules/2.6.18-6-686/source' chmod: cannot access `compatible/*': No such file or directory /bin/sh: line 2: compatible/kversion: No such file or directory |
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| 02:04.25 | ma3x | Wyzard: that tell you something? |
| 02:04.28 | Wyzard | kannon_: Keep the (network-script network-bridge) line |
| 02:04.48 | Wyzard | kannon_: You're still using a Xen bridge to connect the gateway domU to your LAN |
| 02:05.02 | Wyzard | kannon_: (since I assume you want dom0 and maybe some other domUs to be able to talk to the LAN too) |
| 02:05.10 | Cholito | ma3x: I know it was made by conexant |
| 02:05.21 | Wyzard | ma3x: not really, sorry |
| 02:05.23 | kannon_ | yes |
| 02:05.27 | Cholito | but I don't really know which one is it |
| 02:06.06 | Wyzard | kannon_: but IIRC, the network-bridge script only creates one bridge by default, and you have to modify it if you want more... this way you don't have to modify it, since you only use one bridge |
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| 02:06.22 | Wyzard | kannon_: (but I could be remembering incorrectly... it was about two years ago that I set this up) |
| 02:07.29 | Cholito | the file /etc/modprobe.d/ndiswrapper has the wlan0 alias, but iwconfig doesn't show anything |
| 02:07.29 | kannon_ | Wyzard, ok i will try this, pci on my domu cofig |
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| 02:08.19 | ma3x | Cholito: i havent used ndiswrapper since 5 years ago, and it used to freeze my box all the time |
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| 02:12.12 | Cholito | I installed the same usb to a friend using ubuntu, but mine is not working at all |
| 02:12.23 | Cholito | (and yes, I use Debian =P ) |
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| 02:17.47 | acidslep | where can i read about terminals? |
| 02:17.52 | acidslep | and headless comps? |
| 02:18.05 | acidslep | cause i want to install debian without a moniter |
| 02:18.41 | Xenguy | acidslep: know the command-line... |
| 02:18.43 | Vasistha | acidslep: have you checked the debian install guide? I think that's covered there |
| 02:18.46 | Xenguy | and all is good |
| 02:19.02 | Xenguy | acidslep: also you need ssh access |
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| 02:20.32 | Vasistha | I see that the testing version of aptitude is presently 0.4.11.8-1 (i386) -- is there a way to find out when this particular version was moved into lenny? |
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| 02:24.11 | josegilberto | hola alguna noticia de la debian8 |
| 02:24.43 | josegilberto | bye |
| 02:24.45 | acidslep | ok, i went through installation guide, but found nothing about it. I may be wrong but i dont think it has anything. Xenguy what do you mean about ssh acess? |
| 02:24.46 | acidslep | bye |
| 02:26.42 | acidslep | !summon Vasistha |
| 02:26.42 | dpkg | apt takes out 20 clean, identical-looking phones, some extra hands, and pretends to be a telemarketer for a large corporation, so he gets delivered a phonelist containing Vasistha's coordinates |
| 02:27.08 | acidslep | owned |
| 02:27.14 | acidslep | I didnt know that was a command |
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| 02:29.12 | Vasistha | that was very strange |
| 02:29.55 | Vasistha | acidslep: google debian install serial console |
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| 02:30.53 | Kebab_King | hello guys. is anyone familiar with linux running on the playstation 3? |
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| 02:32.49 | Vasistha | Kebab_King: linux in general or debian in particular? There might be someone here, although I've never seen the topic discussed. At any rate, /msg dpkg ask |
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| 02:35.51 | Kebab_King | well, i've heard there is a debian installer for the ps3. but it's not "official", you know. |
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| 02:42.54 | Vasistha | Kebab_King: debian's guidelines for making something official are pretty stringent. I'm going to guess that your best bet is getting on google and spending some time researching |
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| 02:44.27 | Kebab_King | i concur sir. i've been reading a lot about it. but i want to hear about testimonies... it wouldn't be nice to purchase a new ps3 and then find out it wasn't what i expected |
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| 02:49.06 | acidslep | screw it serial install too much trouble |
| 02:49.15 | acidslep | thanks for halps |
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| 02:55.57 | raboof | for an AMD Duron processor, which linux-image should I get in lenny? |
| 02:56.16 | quagga | raboof: 686 |
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| 02:57.41 | raboof | quagga: k, thanks, I was confused because previously the -k7 packages mentioned Duron, now none |
| 02:58.44 | quagga | raboof: i'm on lenny, but here all of the k7 packages just push everyone to the 686 packages |
| 02:58.55 | tubbybastard | does the new dns patch, due to the randomnization of ports,require new ports open in the firewall |
| 02:59.27 | tubbybastard | ??? |
| 03:00.05 | quagga | tubbybastard: i would imagine only if you're doing egress filtering however i don't have direct experience with a patched bind |
| 03:00.15 | raboof | quagga: hm, I don't see -k7 packages for the more recent (2.6.22+) kernels... |
| 03:00.25 | raboof | anyway, thanks, upgrading/rebooting now :) |
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| 03:04.59 | tubbybastard | thanks quagga |
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| 03:12.59 | matholio | hello #Debian |
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| 03:13.43 | acu | I have a logitech quickcam pro9000 how do I make it work - tried both on AMD64 Lenny and intel pentium4 Etch - no results - I cannot see it in EKIGA |
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| 03:14.16 | matholio | I have a shell command which spews out several lines of output, I want to extraxt the 4th line, is there a neat tool for this, or can I concatenate the lines and then use awk/print ? |
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| 03:14.58 | Vasistha | matholio: sed -n 4p |
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| 03:15.16 | Daemonik | Is there a "groupware" server out there that will provide Evolution / Thunderbird+Lightning with the back-ends they need to remotely store calenders address books and memos but work with any standard MTA? Zimbra isn't flexible like that. |
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| 03:16.03 | Vasistha | matholio: or maybe I didn't get what you wanted |
| 03:16.40 | matholio | Vasistha: that's perfect mate. |
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| 03:23.36 | Quentusrex | how do I auto mount a remote samba share on my network? one that is password protected? and have it auto mount on boot up? |
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| 03:26.06 | feydreva | hey |
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| 03:33.36 | acu | there was a japanese guy who have latest kernels for debian - what is his name - I know that 2.6.26 has support for wifi and webcams - I want to try it - can anyone point to the guys name |
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| 03:35.33 | tweakism | Ok: ~/.xsession includes the line ". ~/.bash_profile" ~/.bash_profile includes the line ". ~/.bashrc" ~/.bashrc sets PATH and then includes the line "export PATH" .xsession then executes compiz. but if compiz executes something, my custom PATH is not in the environment. Help. |
| 03:37.44 | tweakism | raw export LALA="lala" in .xsession does cause that to exist in compiz's environment |
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| 03:39.26 | tweakism | sorry, won't reconnect like that again |
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| 03:45.43 | acu | If I want to compile kernel 2.6.26 for debian - is any howto ? |
| 03:46.10 | cast|lir | sure |
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| 03:46.26 | cast|lir | !kp |
| 03:46.26 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 03:46.30 | KDE4000 | is it just me, or do debian kernel really suck? |
| 03:46.39 | cast|lir | it's just you |
| 03:46.54 | KDE4000 | (dell inspiron 1501, no boot (without disable apic and lapic, and no USB support) |
| 03:47.15 | cast|lir | what is a dell inspiron 1501 |
| 03:47.15 | KDE4000 | when i compile my own kernel, it work fine |
| 03:47.20 | KDE4000 | its a laptop |
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| 03:47.57 | KDE4000 | if i try to install without lapic and apic disabled, i get to choose language, and it hangs |
| 03:48.00 | KDE4000 | ... |
| 03:48.12 | cast|lir | KDE4000: try etchnahalf kernel? |
| 03:48.15 | KDE4000 | all works in virtualbox however, and its NOT a cd problem |
| 03:48.23 | KDE4000 | lenny |
| 03:48.29 | cast|lir | ah. |
| 03:48.37 | cast|lir | so does etch have the same problem? |
| 03:48.43 | KDE4000 | i havent tested |
| 03:48.48 | KDE4000 | i will do soon i guess |
| 03:49.00 | KDE4000 | i really need gcc 4.3.1 and stuff however |
| 03:49.10 | acu | KDE4000 - I have a Dell Inspiron 5100 and works fine - initially I had some trouble makin Broadcom Wifi work |
| 03:49.13 | cast|lir | because, ya know, i'm tempted to say "well testing is...testing" |
| 03:49.22 | KDE4000 | i have woody cds too |
| 03:50.14 | cast|lir | great, i have sarge cds too |
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| 03:51.27 | Pavlz | support for wi.fi |
| 03:51.30 | KDE4000 | oh, and when i did have debian installed, it only found 850~ mb ram |
| 03:51.38 | KDE4000 | i have 2GB |
| 03:52.10 | KDE4000 | well woody boots ok |
| 03:52.29 | wols_ | KDE4000: I told you before you use the wrong kernel |
| 03:52.40 | wols_ | install a -686 kernel and not that -486 one |
| 03:52.48 | Pavlz | in the future we do not need anymore of ndiswrapper i have from the Ralink Tech, the news that their source codes are available under GNU General Public License Version 2 |
| 03:52.52 | KDE4000 | why is 486 kernel default STILL! |
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| 03:53.13 | KDE4000 | man they could at least have it install correct version if its needed |
| 03:53.22 | wols_ | KDE4000: because debian min sys requirement is a 486 and that 486 would barf if the installer kernel is a 686 one, duh! |
| 03:53.32 | cast|lir | by 'they' you mean 'you' |
| 03:53.34 | wols_ | KDE4000: they DO. you fucked up in installing |
| 03:53.36 | KDE4000 | wols_: sure, but maybe it could autodetect? |
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| 03:53.47 | tecky | evening all! :) |
| 03:53.48 | jescis | hey guys, I can't seem to write to my hdb2 vfat partition :/ |
| 03:53.50 | wols_ | cast|lir: I don't run any 486 anymore, so no not me |
| 03:54.00 | wols_ | !tell jescis about vfatrw |
| 03:54.06 | KDE4000 | why do they package all the debian packages for i386 then? |
| 03:54.13 | wols_ | KDE4000: they don't |
| 03:54.21 | KDE4000 | well then they should change lable |
| 03:54.24 | wols_ | i386 is a PLATFORM |
| 03:54.27 | wols_ | no they should not |
| 03:54.32 | KDE4000 | http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/libbz2-1.0/download |
| 03:54.35 | KDE4000 | i386 |
| 03:54.41 | tecky | i believe its X86 code they write it for not 486 / 386 specificly |
| 03:54.47 | wols_ | KDE4000: learn what a platform is |
| 03:54.48 | tecky | more over x86 |
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| 03:54.52 | KDE4000 | lol |
| 03:54.54 | wols_ | tecky: no |
| 03:54.57 | KDE4000 | man i know what platform is |
| 03:55.05 | KDE4000 | i normaly run gentoo / LFS here |
| 03:55.06 | cast|lir | /usr/share/man/man1/passwd.1ssl.gz |
| 03:55.10 | cast|lir | how do i open that man page |
| 03:55.11 | wols_ | KDE4000: you obviously don't or you wouldn't talk like you do |
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| 03:55.34 | wols_ | cast|lir: try man 1 passwd.ssl |
| 03:55.40 | KDE4000 | wols_: im asking why debian has to keep old bugs hanging arround that were fixed ages ago.. |
| 03:55.41 | wols_ | you can also use zless, groff or whatever |
| 03:55.49 | Pavlz | and as if is not finish, i invite to see these 2 URL's: http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Content_C1&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1115416836002&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=3600209934L09 http://www.linux-mips.org/wiki/AR7#Devices_based_on_the_Texas_Instruments_AR7 and these news are for debian as many others distributions that have never had a good support for wi-fi |
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| 03:55.56 | KDE4000 | the apic bug was fixed MANY months ago |
| 03:56.05 | KDE4000 | that was in kernel 2.6.21 |
| 03:56.19 | wols_ | !stable |
| 03:56.19 | dpkg | hmm... stable is the status of a Debian release when no packages will be added or new versions introduced, and changes will only fix security issues and critical bugs. Packages can be removed in rare circumstances. The current stable version of Debian is Etch (4.0r4), or ask me about <releases>. Security bugs are fixed in stable by backporting the fix to the current version (ask me about <security backports>). |
| 03:56.22 | cast|lir | no luck :\ |
| 03:56.31 | arafangion | Anything I should be aware of when upgrading the default etch kernel to the latest kernel? |
| 03:56.51 | Pavlz | 2.6.25 ? |
| 03:56.53 | wols_ | arafangion: yes. use kernel-package, keep the old kernel around |
| 03:56.53 | KDE4000 | debian now runs 2.6.24+ (so its totaly fixed upstream) why is debian changing this stuff? |
| 03:57.13 | wols_ | KDE4000: cause etch is STABLE |
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| 03:57.33 | cast|lir | ahh |
| 03:57.36 | cast|lir | man ssl passwd did it |
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| 03:57.43 | arafangion | THanks wols_ |
| 03:57.44 | cast|lir | ...no wait, no it didn't |
| 03:57.55 | KDE4000 | thats no reason that debian should change kernel code which breaks things |
| 03:58.46 | cast|lir | man -l /usr/share/man/man1/passwd.1ssl.gz it is then :\ |
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| 04:01.07 | arafangion | (And for the record, Debian does not upgrade kernels automatically, so don't let idiots such as KDE4000 suggest that debian will break things just because a new kernel is out) |
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| 04:02.56 | lymeca | Can I tell PHP to manually regenerate the /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini file with default settings? |
| 04:04.08 | arafangion | lymeca, Typically you'd use dpkg-reconfigure, or get the ini file from the .deb. |
| 04:04.26 | arafangion | lymeca, I'm not sure about php in particular, however generally debian takes pains not to overwrite your settings. |
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| 04:06.32 | jescis | wols_, thanks |
| 04:07.38 | arafangion | wols_, About the kernel, what I was also hoping to find out was if there were any incompatibilities I needed to be aware of. |
| 04:07.45 | Jester45 | lymeca, you chould remove that file and reinstall php... |
| 04:07.50 | arafangion | wols_, For instance, new versions of udev, modutils, etc. |
| 04:09.14 | arafangion | Jester45, That's a rather heavy-handed approach. |
| 04:09.28 | Jester45 | could* |
| 04:10.20 | Jester45 | shouldnt be that hard or long to do.. i reinstall php on gentoo all the time and it is fast even with the compile times. |
| 04:10.20 | lymeca | Jester45: It's not working |
| 04:10.29 | jescis | wols_, but when I do mount it still says "/dev/hdb2 on /media/hdb type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev)" even after running mount -a :( |
| 04:10.46 | lymeca | aptitude reinstall php5 php5-common php5-mysql |
| 04:11.03 | Jester45 | lymeca, did you remove php.ini? |
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| 04:12.32 | feydreva | hello... I have a some problem with a SD card... could someone help me ? I do not care about the data on it, I just want it to work.. there was a etx3 partition on it... but now, when I insert it to my computer, it gives me : EXT3-fs error (device sdb): ext3_check_descriptors: Block bitmap for group 1 not in group (block 0)! I treid to format with fdisk or gparted, but it doesn't work... any idea ? |
| 04:13.14 | arafangion | feydreva, Sounds like it's corrupt. |
| 04:13.18 | lymeca | Jester45: What's the way to FORCE averwriting it? |
| 04:13.40 | Jester45 | lymeca, rm -f /path/to/php/php.ini |
| 04:13.41 | lymeca | Jester45: I have it there but I renamed it. When it doesn't exist it says Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 04:13.52 | lymeca | And then it won't generate a new one. |
| 04:14.11 | wols_ | !confmiss |
| 04:14.11 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 04:14.17 | Jester45 | lymeca, you could get it from the php site and copy it |
| 04:14.30 | wols_ | jescis: don't give advice like that |
| 04:14.52 | feydreva | arafangion, yep... but how do I solve it ? like now.. fdisk do not see the partition.... I can create a new one, on the empty space.... but it jsut see 1 partition.. not 2... how do i get the corrupted area back ? |
| 04:15.00 | arafangion | wonders why he's getting spammed by bra-wearing people. |
| 04:15.00 | Jester45 | wols_, was that pointed at me? |
| 04:15.09 | wols_ | oops. yes |
| 04:15.31 | arafangion | feydreva, I don't think sdcards have partitions, try using the actual device itself. |
| 04:15.33 | Jester45 | wols_, the remove advice or getting a new one from php's site |
| 04:15.52 | feydreva | arafangion, hum, it s ok.. i think i found how to do it.. thx |
| 04:15.54 | wols_ | feydreva: by creating the exact same parttion (sizes and such) with fdisk. backup first! |
| 04:16.00 | wols_ | Jester45: the from php site thing |
| 04:16.20 | lymeca | wols_: I tried apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 04:16.29 | Jester45 | wols_, why? he said he wanted the default one? unless debian has changed the default for some reason |
| 04:16.31 | arafangion | feydreva, I suggest getting into the habit of backing up even if you don't think you'll need the data. |
| 04:16.32 | lymeca | But it still gave me the error Not replacing deleted config file /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini |
| 04:17.01 | arafangion | feydreva, Because I guarantee that if you don't, there will come a time when you delete a file, only to realise 1 second later "shit, I actually did want a file on that...". |
| 04:17.04 | feydreva | arafangion, yeah I do that.. there was really nothing on it :P it was my second time |
| 04:17.06 | lymeca | And it doesn't replace it. |
| 04:20.45 | Jester45 | hehe what about --purge then install.. i would think that works |
| 04:20.59 | Jester45 | as apt should remove all configs it self |
| 04:21.17 | Jester45 | but i dont know thats what you want to do |
| 04:22.03 | jescis | enouf, is it my video card why I have no FB? |
| 04:22.21 | arafangion | Jester45, That's very heavy-handed, and can easily result in lost configuration, please don't suggest such dammaging advice. |
| 04:22.40 | Jester45 | anybody else getting pm spams? |
| 04:22.56 | wols_ | Jester45: yes. good luck finding an op at this hour. lazy buggers |
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| 04:23.18 | jescis | Jester45, I am |
| 04:23.23 | Jester45 | added *!ee@* to his ignore |
| 04:23.30 | doublehp | where is radvd conf file ? |
| 04:23.51 | Jester45 | but i guess thats the wrong format for a mask as i just got a new one |
| 04:24.49 | jescis | Jester45, is it Tyler_Number_1? |
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| 04:24.59 | Jester45 | nope |
| 04:25.04 | Jester45 | bunch of diffrent nicks |
| 04:25.31 | wols_ | he's been klined now |
| 04:25.36 | Jester45 | im guessing freenode will ban a nick if they send pms to 50,000 users |
| 04:26.35 | jescis | I can't even close it :( |
| 04:27.02 | arafangion | jescis, Get a better irc client. :) |
| 04:27.20 | jescis | irssi is the best |
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| 04:27.39 | arafangion | jescis, Nah, it isn't, unless you combine it with screen. ;) |
| 04:28.06 | jescis | it is for CLI |
| 04:28.27 | arafangion | blinks |
| 04:28.33 | arafangion | jescis, Have you never used "screen"? |
| 04:28.55 | jescis | arafangion, I've tried to |
| 04:29.16 | arafangion | jescis, It's the killer app for disconnected operation. |
| 04:29.30 | jescis | But I like pure tty |
| 04:29.30 | arafangion | Makes nohup look like a joke. |
| 04:30.05 | Jester45 | jescis, you can run screen in your tty... or fullscreen a xterm |
| 04:30.14 | arafangion | Well, it does get complicated dealing with multibyte characters when you have many layers running. |
| 04:30.35 | Jester45 | like cat /dev/random |
| 04:31.01 | Jester45 | does that for fun, watching his conky entropy bar drop is fun |
| 04:32.16 | jescis | Jester45, I know I could but it's my choice not to use screen |
| 04:32.53 | arafangion | jescis, I'm a laptop user, so the situation is a little different with me. :) Currently using xchat, though, because my usual server isn't running. |
| 04:33.08 | Moth | anyone getting spammed |
| 04:33.29 | arafangion | Moth, Set your usermode to +E |
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| 04:35.19 | jescis | arafangion, how do you set your user mode? |
| 04:35.32 | jescis | nickserv? |
| 04:36.03 | arafangion | jescis, Not sure how to do it with irssi, but with xchat you use /UMODE |
| 04:36.11 | arafangion | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:36.49 | jescis | that worked in irssi :) |
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| 04:39.12 | newsense | im kinda likin kvirc for an x irc client |
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| 04:46.25 | Phoul | Hey everyone, It seems every few boots it only recognizes 1core instead of both... is there a reason // a fix for this? |
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| 04:50.28 | acidslep | l;kjdsaf |
| 04:50.28 | acidslep | dasf |
| 04:50.33 | acidslep | -:- SignOff mtn: #debian ("Ex-Chat") |
| 04:50.33 | acidslep | <stew> zack23: /msg dpkg mg |
| 04:51.12 | rukus | guys, I'm a unix dude, I've got to go replace drives on a debian box in some town I have to drive to this morning, it's 7am, which ISO do I need to burn for a rescue Cd ? |
| 04:51.37 | acidslep | -:- SignOff mtn: #debian ("Ex-Chat") |
| 04:51.37 | acidslep | <stew> zack23: /msg dpkg mg |
| 04:51.37 | acidslep | ad initrd lib media opt root srv tmp var |
| 04:51.37 | acidslep | boot dev home initrd.img lost+found mnt proc sbin sys usr vmlinuz |
| 04:51.37 | acidslep | sh-3.1$ cd ~ |
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| 04:51.40 | neonlightning | enouf, man i just finally watched that greg talking to google and that was one of the most informative and funny videos i've seen on linux in a long time |
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| 04:53.20 | rukus | grrr, don't make me google again. |
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| 04:57.07 | cast|lir | so...for nfs should i use the kernel space or userspace nfsd? |
| 04:58.15 | cast|lir | kernel i think. |
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| 05:00.27 | _ZeuZ_ | cast|lir, depends on how much are you willing to expose yourself to a Kerne Panic if something goes wrong... also, Userspace NFS needs some backup of Kernel modules for NFS if you're going to be a NFS server |
| 05:00.51 | cast|lir | i'm happy to expose myself to that. |
| 05:00.53 | cast|lir | ^_^ |
| 05:01.02 | cast|lir | i don't think anythings going to go that badly wrong |
| 05:01.08 | cast|lir | but maybe i'm just being cocky |
| 05:02.15 | _ZeuZ_ | cast|lir, perhaps you can follow this how-to: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/NFS-HOWTO/index.html |
| 05:02.23 | _ZeuZ_ | Goes to watch Discovery Channel |
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| 05:03.01 | Jester45 | will the knerel panic if the nfs server is offline? that would suck |
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| 05:03.31 | _ZeuZ_ | Jester45, not unless you touch something that makes it unstable and crash... |
| 05:03.59 | _ZeuZ_ | but then again, I wouldn't dear to defend my affirmation because I don't know that much of that area... |
| 05:04.02 | cast|lir | thats a good question, it won't panic but it'll stall won't it |
| 05:04.09 | cast|lir | wonders |
| 05:04.31 | Jester45 | will stick to usermode |
| 05:05.31 | cast|lir | soft This option allows the kernel to time out if the nfs server is not responding for some time. The time can be specified with timeo=time. |
| 05:05.36 | cast|lir | :) think ill use that option |
| 05:05.54 | cast|lir | Usually it just causes lots of trouble. |
| 05:05.59 | cast|lir | fuck. maybe not. |
| 05:06.22 | _ZeuZ_ | Jester45, cast|lir, the problem does not reside in if its in usermode or kernel level, the problem resides on how to avoid being exploited |
| 05:06.49 | cast|lir | ahh thats not a problem here, private network |
| 05:07.03 | cast|lir | ponders nfsv3 or v4 now |
| 05:07.28 | newsense | what bootp is installed by default in debian ? |
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| 05:07.40 | wols_ | newsense: none afaik |
| 05:07.56 | newsense | well netstat says bootp |
| 05:08.12 | newsense | how can i check what process is running on a specific port ? |
| 05:08.15 | wols_ | newsense: netstat -anp |
| 05:08.21 | newsense | cool |
| 05:08.23 | newsense | thanks |
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| 05:11.49 | cast|lir | renices the other guys process to minimal priority |
| 05:11.57 | cast|lir | bastard is lagging me out :\ |
| 05:12.53 | rukus | doas debian have a rescue cd ? |
| 05:13.10 | wols_ | no. |
| 05:13.13 | wols_ | !rescue |
| 05:13.13 | dpkg | from memory, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 05:15.09 | rukus | dpkg: so I can use the primary installer disk to sort out any grub issues if I upgrade a raide 1 system ? |
| 05:15.10 | dpkg | rukus: You are moron #5 |
| 05:15.18 | rukus | dpkg: I know :/ |
| 05:15.18 | dpkg | rukus: wish i knew |
| 05:15.38 | wols_ | rukus: supposedly yes |
| 05:15.45 | rukus | I just don't feel like driving all the way and find out I did'nt bring something obvious with. |
| 05:15.47 | cast|lir | stares |
| 05:16.25 | cast|lir | why the hell would i be able to ping google, visit websites on the lan, authenticate with the firewall but not be able to get to any websites |
| 05:16.40 | rukus | makes a point of noting down on the todo for a swizz army knife for linux boot cd. |
| 05:17.07 | wols_ | rukus: don't bother |
| 05:17.08 | newsense | ping doesnt use 80 |
| 05:17.20 | wols_ | newsense: make sense |
| 05:17.36 | newsense | wols suck balls |
| 05:17.47 | newsense | i can ryme too |
| 05:18.12 | wols_ | newsense: nice insult. now leave please |
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| 05:19.49 | rukus | Alternatively, just boot the installation system as if you were starting a new installation, proceed to the point where you get to partitioning harddisks and stop there. Next, switch to VT2 (using alt-F2) or back out to the menu and start a shell from there. Create a directory /target, manually mount the partition(s) where you installed Debian on /target and execute chroot /target. You cannot use the d-i menu item "install boot-loader" because the menu syste |
| 05:19.59 | rukus | haha, is simple as that ? |
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| 05:20.28 | rukus | not for the faint hearted :) |
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| 05:23.39 | jescis | rukus, whether it's linux or unix anything in these OSs are not for the faint of heart, not to forget adventure ;) |
| 05:23.49 | Sazpaimon | my server seems to be overcommitting more RAM than my swap and physical is, yet /proc/sys/vm/overcommit_memory is set to 0 |
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| 05:24.20 | Sazpaimon | according to my munin stats, i've seen it go up to 8GB before my server crashed, but I only have 1GB physical and 2GB swap |
| 05:24.48 | wols_ | allocate != commit |
| 05:25.20 | Sazpaimon | wols_, it's labled "commited" in munin |
| 05:27.00 | Sazpaimon | wols_, http://74.208.47.186/munin/localdomain/localhost.localdomain-memory-day.png that is the result of my memory stats, note the massive spike |
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| 05:30.11 | rukus | *yawn* I suspect I may need to be sober to complete this task, sleep required. |
| 05:30.28 | cast|lir | newsense: correct. |
| 05:30.48 | cast|lir | wonders why he can't access the web, but can ping the internet |
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| 05:31.29 | rukus | cast|lir: did'nt you get the memo ? The internet is switched off a friday evening. |
| 05:32.06 | cast|lir | that wouldn't explain it |
| 05:32.06 | LemensTS | what is 'sober' ? |
| 05:32.07 | cast|lir | :| |
| 05:32.37 | rukus | cast|lir: due to maintenance. |
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| 05:32.48 | rukus | somebody has to make the internet work. |
| 05:33.15 | pietro_rc | Friday evening is the internet gnomes' sleep time. |
| 05:33.25 | pietro_rc | You know, the little people carrying data packages back and forth. |
| 05:33.51 | jescis | call the defence department then. they created the internet ;) |
| 05:34.05 | LemensTS | greenspan created the internet |
| 05:34.12 | mrtsunami | al gore created the internet |
| 05:34.15 | Sertse | *al gore "joke"* |
| 05:34.16 | freezer | I did! |
| 05:34.17 | cast|lir | Warning: Hostname google.com resolves to 3 IPs. Using 72.14.207.99. |
| 05:34.18 | Sertse | ahh too late |
| 05:34.18 | cast|lir | All 1680 scanned ports on eh-in-f99.google.com (72.14.207.99) are filtered |
| 05:34.29 | cast|lir | you know, i wonder if the IT department has blacklisted me |
| 05:34.39 | cast|lir | they did that 2 days ago |
| 05:34.41 | rukus | cast|lir: wow, all of them. |
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| 05:34.54 | jescis | ARPANET |
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| 05:35.03 | cast|lir | i can tunnel over ICMP though can't i |
| 05:35.05 | rukus | did they black list you on port 80 ? |
| 05:35.05 | Sazpaimon | look what you did jescis |
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| 05:35.13 | Sazpaimon | you scared him away |
| 05:35.17 | cast|lir | checks udp |
| 05:35.23 | rukus | cast|lir: you can, but you'll piss your sysadmin off. |
| 05:35.37 | jescis | Sazpaimon, oops lol |
| 05:36.01 | rukus | an icmp packet larger than 300 bytes =='s dodgy. |
| 05:36.10 | cast|lir | rukus: hes a windows user, what do i care :) |
| 05:36.17 | rukus | oh right. |
| 05:36.23 | rukus | then go for it I say. |
| 05:36.45 | pietro_rc | hey! I'm on a windows box right now, you insensitive clod! |
| 05:37.09 | pietro_rc | (girlfriend's computer, forgot lappy at home) |
| 05:37.14 | cast|lir | what's something i can connect to with nc to test udp connectivity |
| 05:37.21 | rukus | hmm, so you mistyped /join #windows to reflect /join #debian ? :/ |
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| 05:37.40 | rukus | cast|lir: a dsn server would be the obvious answer. |
| 05:37.44 | rukus | dns |
| 05:37.51 | cast|lir | hmm |
| 05:38.00 | pietro_rc | I always join #debian and #slackware |
| 05:38.04 | pietro_rc | Cuz I love you guys. |
| 05:38.09 | pietro_rc | spreads the love! |
| 05:38.20 | rukus | I'm a freebsd dude :/ |
| 05:38.39 | rukus | before you kick me, do I have the correct cd !? |
| 05:38.41 | pietro_rc | like you guys too! |
| 05:38.53 | jescis | pietro_rc, then install debian and slackware on your gf's computer ;) |
| 05:39.05 | rukus | haha, yea that is love. |
| 05:39.18 | rukus | if you like her calling you every two minutes :/ |
| 05:39.27 | mrtsunami | that's exactly what I like |
| 05:39.28 | pietro_rc | jescis I'd be lying if I told you I'm not thinking about it |
| 05:39.49 | Sazpaimon | people still use slackware? |
| 05:39.54 | pietro_rc | lots of 'em |
| 05:40.12 | pietro_rc | Brazil has lots of Slackware users, for one |
| 05:40.26 | rukus | the only reason I use slackware is because I don't want to kill my uptime :/ |
| 05:40.44 | mrtsunami | mmm uptime |
| 05:40.45 | Sazpaimon | i thought all the slackware people converted to gentoo |
| 05:40.52 | pietro_rc | I still pick Debian over the Ol' Slack because apt-get is so pretty |
| 05:40.58 | pietro_rc | and shiny. |
| 05:41.09 | Corwin | mmm shiny |
| 05:41.21 | jescis | aptitude is good too ;) |
| 05:41.34 | Sertse | I like debian for its base install. |
| 05:41.36 | rukus | make rules :) |
| 05:41.38 | Sertse | and apt ofc |
| 05:41.43 | pietro_rc | isn't aptitude just a front end for apt? |
| 05:41.51 | mrtsunami | mmm base install = <3 |
| 05:41.54 | jescis | yep |
| 05:42.21 | Sazpaimon | i use debian on my weaker boxes jsut because its faster than compiling |
| 05:42.32 | jescis | closest I want to get to being a gui |
| 05:42.34 | Sazpaimon | i use gentoo in my 2x quad core with 8gb ram |
| 05:42.48 | Sazpaimon | kernel compiles in less than 5 minutes |
| 05:42.57 | pietro_rc | I never mnaged to like Gentoo, and boy did I try |
| 05:43.13 | Sazpaimon | its grown on me |
| 05:43.24 | Sertse | I one of those insane people who rather remove the desktop, panels etc..yet keep compiz |
| 05:43.29 | Sazpaimon | i still would never use it on the average computer |
| 05:43.30 | Corwin | Gentoo has awesome documentation |
| 05:43.42 | jescis | gentoo is like anchovies |
| 05:43.43 | Sazpaimon | its compile time is far too slow for any real use for me |
| 05:43.43 | rukus | it only takes three commands to install Gentoo |
| 05:43.54 | rukus | fdisk /dev/hda && mkfs.xfs /dev/hda1 && mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/gentoo/ && chroot /mnt/gentoo/ && env-update && . /etc/profile && emerge sync && cd /usr/portage && scripts/bootsrap.sh && emerge system && emerge vim && vi /etc/fstab && emerge gentoo-dev-sources && cd /usr/src/linux && make menuconfig && make install modules_install && emerge gnome mozilla-firefox openoffice && emerge grub && cp /boot/grub/grub.conf.sample /boot/grub/grub.conf && vi /boot/grub/gr |
| 05:44.03 | pietro_rc | rukus, heh |
| 05:44.04 | rukus | that's the first one |
| 05:44.12 | rukus | from bash.org :) |
| 05:44.16 | freezer | my new kernel wont boot, something wrong with luks |
| 05:44.30 | Sazpaimon | but on my 9 core PC with 8GB RAM, it compiles faster than apt can install |
| 05:44.32 | freezer | and i dont get what is missing |
| 05:44.39 | pietro_rc | I mostly use Debian nowadays, I still keep joining #slackware, #debian and #*bsd channels because of the more technical-oriented community |
| 05:44.53 | pietro_rc | Easier to get useful answers |
| 05:45.10 | rukus | pietro_rc: try asking for a debian rescue disk iso. |
| 05:45.12 | Sazpaimon | i managed to convert an ubuntu install to gentoo, idiots at the server company didnt listen to me when i said i wanted gentoo and they installed ubuntu instead |
| 05:45.34 | Sazpaimon | in addition, they gave the server 16GB swap, since it had 8GB ram, pleanty of room for gentoo |
| 05:46.06 | Sazpaimon | seriously who'd dumb enough to install 16GB of swap, even if you do have 8GB ram |
| 05:46.10 | rukus | Sazpaimon: thats standard, you always allocate X2 mem for swap. |
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| 05:46.19 | jescis | Sazpaimon, what idiots you have there ;) |
| 05:46.28 | Sertse | but you'll never it all? |
| 05:46.29 | Sazpaimon | rukus, they didnt think servers would have 8GB ram when they made that rule |
| 05:46.37 | Sertse | never use |
| 05:46.53 | pietro_rc | I don't think an 8GB server will need that much swap area rukus |
| 05:46.59 | rukus | Sazpaimon: swap is write linearly, it's a matter ofr minutes to write out 16G. |
| 05:47.29 | Sazpaimon | regardless, i raid 0'd it across 2 hard drives and changed it to 4GB |
| 05:47.32 | rukus | pietro_rc: if you a sysadmin, and one day you may have to go fix, it's safe to err on the side of doubt. |
| 05:47.42 | cast|lir | very displeased. no one in the IT department is there to unblock the ip. /me starts ssh port forwarding to an unblocked host |
| 05:47.53 | Sazpaimon | chances are those partitions will remain empty for all eternity |
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| 05:48.05 | rukus | cast|lir: sounds like you have a bust transparent proxy. |
| 05:48.48 | rukus | I'm trying to sober up, but I'l already contemplating my first beer. :/ |
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| 05:52.23 | pietro_rc | too late (or too early) to start drinking here |
| 05:52.38 | cast|lir | lol, this is getting convoluted |
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| 05:53.34 | cast|lir | so my clients connect to my server [running approx] to grab packages. the server connects to the debian internet repo via a ssh tunnel to my desktop, where internet works properly |
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| 05:58.15 | KaKaRoTo-KS | Hi, I just want to notify whoever is concerned that the gstreamer0-10-plugins-farsight is <outdated>. I use the unstable sources, and the package there is 0.12.8 while the latest release (2 days ago) is 0.12.9 ... so if someone could upload the new deb, that would be nice. Thanks! |
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| 06:03.02 | cast|lir | approx 3568 0.0 0.2 5780 1832 ? S 00:51 0:00 /usr/bin/curl --fail --silent --location --include --header If-Modified-Since: Tue, 01 Jul 2008 20:21:04 GMT http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/Release.gpg |
| 06:03.24 | cast|lir | wait, why is approx trying to do that when there's no such line in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 06:05.16 | cast|lir | approx 3627 0.0 0.2 5780 1828 ? S 00:55 0:00 /usr/bin/curl --fail --silent --location --include --header If-Modified-Since: Sat, 16 Feb 2008 15:15:31 GMT http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/Release.gpg |
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| 06:05.21 | cast|lir | there it goes again -_- |
| 06:05.58 | cast|lir | ok i see my problem. approx has its own sources.list :o |
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| 06:06.55 | oldmanjohn | hello |
| 06:07.12 | newsense | yo |
| 06:07.51 | oldmanjohn | I am running the network install cd and need to install it using wireless as my computer cannot reach the router. my wireless card is the RaLink RT2500 .. any idea how to do this? |
| 06:08.07 | oldmanjohn | I can configure the network once I load the right module but I can't find the module to load for it |
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| 06:11.11 | protocols | why is php on lenny suhosin patched? |
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| 06:12.46 | xistins | I just installed tightvnc/black box on a net install and I'm still unable to connect using a window TightVNC viewer(failed to connect to server). I can SSH in from the windows box. Can someone point me where to troubleshoot the issue as I'm extermely new to linux. |
| 06:14.38 | xistins | err... I feel like an idiot. Nevermind |
| 06:14.43 | freezer | what is 'Navison'? |
| 06:14.45 | Corwin | also noticed php has the suhosin patch, but never took to time to google it |
| 06:15.50 | protocols | Corwin, I did google, but unable to find any blog-post or what-so-ever bout it... |
| 06:16.11 | Corwin | protocols: ok, then that is rather interesting |
| 06:16.33 | xistins | seems I have to start it using 'tightvncserver' command. Is there anyway to do this by default on bootup? |
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| 06:17.06 | Corwin | xistins: usually startup default info is in /etc/default |
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| 06:19.07 | Corwin | protocols: http://www.hardened-php.net/suhosin/ |
| 06:20.51 | oldmanjohn | so.. network install won't work with wireless card that aren't detected/installed natively in the kernel? |
| 06:21.18 | protocols | Corwin, sure, maybe I am blind, but where do I find there a statement that php5 will only be available patched anymore upon lenny |
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| 06:22.00 | Corwin | protocols: http://www.hardened-php.net/suhosin/why.html states that it's binary compatable and more secure. Seems like enough reason to me |
| 06:22.37 | Nyle | hey dudes |
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| 06:22.51 | protocols | suhosin is just another toy for cheap mass webhosters ;) |
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| 06:23.17 | protocols | but if I want to have a naked php, what shall I do then? I mean php5-suhosin seems to be a valid package |
| 06:23.46 | Corwin | protocols: you are always free to compile a source .deb |
| 06:23.59 | Corwin | protocols: or from source off of php.net |
| 06:24.02 | protocols | Corwin, sure thats not my question |
| 06:24.20 | Nyle | I installed iceweasel3.0 inside amd64 using ia32-libs and etc. Everything is fine, 32bit iceweasel, ia32-libs-java, flash, 32bit mplayer plugins all is well. But the fonts being rendered by this iceweasel are non anti-aliased, iow, very very ugly. how can I turn on anti alias in 32bit iceweasel inside amd64 |
| 06:24.25 | Nyle | any ideas guys? |
| 06:24.33 | protocols | but I thought debian was free, so I just don't get the point why they tell me what I need |
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| 06:25.36 | Corwin | Nyle: how the %^@% can you run anything 32 bit in a 64 bit debian? I have 64 bit and I can;t run anything, ia32-libs and ia32-gtk-libs do nothing for me |
| 06:26.19 | Nyle | uhm |
| 06:26.23 | Nyle | you have to know what to do... |
| 06:26.24 | sladi | Corwin: I think you need chroot. There are Firefox howtos |
| 06:26.26 | Nyle | by reading... |
| 06:26.37 | Nyle | no, I am not using a 32bit chroot on this desktop |
| 06:27.02 | sladi | Nyle: I never did it, just guessing ^^ |
| 06:27.18 | Corwin | theoritically is32-libs are magically suppose to allow you to run 32 bit code. Doesn;t work for me :( |
| 06:27.28 | Corwin | I've seen it work on Ubuntu |
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| 06:28.07 | arafangion | Corwin, Of course it'd work on Debian, provided you have a sufficiently complete chroot. |
| 06:28.10 | newsense | why is everyone always in here saying ubuntu |
| 06:28.30 | newsense | id like to see someone log the amount of times is said in a day in here |
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| 06:29.06 | Corwin | newsense: Sounds like you have some kind of resessed ubuntu fantasies |
| 06:29.11 | wd | using sarge for old laptop, had 2.4 kernel, just updated to 2.6.8 using aptitude, reboot lists root, kernel vmlinuz, initrd, savedefault, then freeze at boot.. is it my symlink not pointing to 2.6? |
| 06:29.22 | newsense | Corwin: sounds like youre an ubuntu whore |
| 06:29.42 | Corwin | newsense: sounds liek your an asshole |
| 06:29.42 | newsense | lmao |
| 06:29.45 | arafangion | newsense, A large number of debian developers are also ubuntu developers. |
| 06:29.54 | newsense | oh we all kow that |
| 06:30.01 | newsense | ;/ |
| 06:30.04 | Corwin | lol |
| 06:30.23 | arafangion | Ubuntu's a very respectable and impressive OS, though quite different to debian in certain respects. |
| 06:30.32 | hoxu | newsense, in my logs, ubuntu has only been mentioned 13329 times, debian 536183 |
| 06:30.33 | newsense | ive ran it |
| 06:30.37 | newsense | i know about it |
| 06:30.51 | newsense | im just saying this is #debian |
| 06:31.05 | newsense | i didnt say anything bad about ubuntu |
| 06:31.10 | Corwin | I used ubuntu for a few months. I think the way they handle releases suck so I switched back to debian. |
| 06:31.22 | hoxu | oh, I thought this is #rantcorner_of_newsense... must've taken a wrong turn |
| 06:31.41 | newsense | lmao |
| 06:31.45 | newsense | sorry all |
| 06:31.50 | Corwin | hoxu: you are like soooo lost |
| 06:32.03 | newsense | takes a step back and gives the stage to hoxu |
| 06:32.25 | Corwin | I think hoxu needs a gps, not a stage |
| 06:32.28 | arafangion | Corwin, I must agree - Ubuntu's remarkably bad when it comes to development (A mere upgrade within the same release caused my opengl libs to disappear!), and it upgrades poorly. :( |
| 06:33.10 | Corwin | That sums it up. I had more upgrade issues in 2 or 3 months with Ubuntu than 5 years with Debian |
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| 06:33.28 | newsense | i used it on a laptop that was ahead of its time as far as linux was concerned and ubuntus wizards made it an easy setup, |
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| 06:34.09 | newsense | but ive always used debian, nice security policies and update standards |
| 06:34.28 | arafangion | Corwin, On the other hand, arguably a bad upgrade isn't so such a dealbreaker if it means that your laptop (with who knows what crap hardware) is supported outof the box without any tweaking needed - and /home is a separate partition. |
| 06:34.30 | Corwin | The upgrade to illicious Iguana or whatever they call it after Hard Herion trashed the machine |
| 06:35.07 | wd | using sarge for old laptop, had 2.4 kernel, just updated to 2.6.8 using aptitude, reboot freezes at "boot".. could it be my symlink not pointing to 2.6? |
| 06:35.28 | arafangion | wd, grub or lilo? |
| 06:35.36 | wd | arafangion, hey thanks.. grub |
| 06:35.51 | Corwin | arafangion: I guess so. Of course wireless didn't work on my Ubuntu laptop... Until my GF pointed out the wifi on off switch |
| 06:36.14 | arafangion | wd, Check your grub config, if nothing else, the kernel itself should still work. |
| 06:36.16 | wd | arafangion, i'm booting into bg rescue now to check symlink. |
| 06:36.24 | wd | arafangion, ok |
| 06:36.38 | newsense | Corwin:seen that a million times, lol |
| 06:36.45 | wd | arafangion, strange while installing kernel it took off 2.4 because of depends :( |
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| 06:37.09 | arafangion | wd, Incompatible modutils, I think. |
| 06:37.14 | wd | arafangion, yep |
| 06:37.20 | hoxu | !sarge |
| 06:37.20 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the previous stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Sarge security support ended on 03/31/2008. Sarge users should upgrade to etch, ask me about <sarge->etch>. See also <oldstable>. |
| 06:37.31 | hoxu | but I guess you use it for a reason :) |
| 06:37.45 | arafangion | still uses sarge. |
| 06:38.14 | newsense | i remember running potato, how long ago was that |
| 06:38.24 | cast|lir | hmm, how should i add a line to fstab in a script, just echo 'line' > /etc/fstab? |
| 06:38.37 | wd | hoxu, toshiiba satelite 400cs, 40meg ram, 500meg hd, 75-100mhz.. also mac nubus / oldworld risc 32meg ram, 2g hd, 166mhz.. thats why. |
| 06:38.40 | newsense | if ya want it at the end >> |
| 06:38.41 | arafangion | still remembers that too, and my goodness kernel 2.4 was such a huge upgrade back then. |
| 06:38.43 | Corwin | newsense: That about when I started, about 6 years ago |
| 06:39.02 | hoxu | cast|lir, that would just overwrite it, you use '>>' to append |
| 06:39.07 | cast|lir | woops, good call |
| 06:39.11 | newsense | doesnt seem like that long ago dam |
| 06:39.14 | cast|lir | almost overwrite 14 fstabs at once |
| 06:39.34 | Corwin | Time files when you computer doesn't crash all the time |
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| 06:39.44 | hoxu | cast|lir, twiddling with it from a script is dangerous anyway... at least script it to make a backup or something |
| 06:39.53 | arafangion | At work I'm using Vista. :( Damn it's a frustrating OS. |
| 06:40.08 | wd | arafangion, yeah seems 2.4 kernel finds pcmcia everything for these old laps... 2.6 giving me hard time. :( |
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| 06:40.14 | Corwin | arafangion: I'm sorry :( that's really sucky. |
| 06:40.26 | wd | arafangion, i'm loading bg rescue and going to mount to check config. |
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| 06:40.49 | arafangion | Corwin, Vista is unable to even search for files containing a keyword. |
| 06:41.29 | newsense | cast|lir: dont overwrite 14 fstabs lol, jk |
| 06:42.00 | Nyle | well |
| 06:42.02 | Nyle | anyone? |
| 06:42.12 | arafangion | Nyle, What? |
| 06:42.18 | Nyle | I installed iceweasel3.0 inside amd64 using ia32-libs and etc. Everything is fine, 32bit iceweasel, ia32-libs-java, flash, 32bit mplayer plugins all is well. But the fonts being rendered by this iceweasel are non anti-aliased, iow, very very ugly. how can I turn on anti alias in 32bit iceweasel inside amd64 |
| 06:42.23 | cast|lir | hoxu: nah, it's all good. |
| 06:42.26 | cast|lir | :D |
| 06:42.33 | Corwin | arafangion: I just replaired a messed up Vista machine for a client two days ago. I have a strong dislike for XP, but XP is wonderful comaped to Vista. Life sucks when I am forced to work on Vista. Luckily I only have 2 clients with Vista. I have legal firms who pirate XP for their new machines. |
| 06:42.41 | Nyle | !pango |
| 06:42.46 | Nyle | !antalias |
| 06:42.49 | cast|lir | gotta make things exciting ya know |
| 06:42.51 | Nyle | !anitalias |
| 06:42.58 | Nyle | !antialias |
| 06:43.02 | cast|lir | server1:~# for i in {1..13}; do ssh cpu$i reboot; done |
| 06:43.03 | Nyle | fucking damn thing won't work |
| 06:43.05 | Nyle | !ping |
| 06:43.05 | dpkg | pong |
| 06:43.10 | arafangion | Nyle, You probably need to change your theme. |
| 06:43.10 | cast|lir | here's to hoping they come online again :) |
| 06:43.14 | newsense | Nyle: message the bot directly |
| 06:43.18 | Nyle | arafangion, its not just a theme thing |
| 06:43.22 | Nyle | its a font issue |
| 06:43.37 | hoxu | !flw54 |
| 06:43.38 | dpkg | <hoxu> cast|lir, twiddling with it from a script is dangerous anyway... at least script it to make a backup or something <cast|lir> hoxu: nah, it's all good. |
| 06:43.39 | arafangion | Nyle, Quite possibly that too. ;( |
| 06:43.43 | Nyle | in every other gtk2 app inside amd64, fonts are good, but just the 32bit firefox is not good |
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| 06:44.00 | arafangion | Nyle, What about gtk1? |
| 06:44.06 | Nyle | why does that matter? |
| 06:44.13 | Nyle | those two are unrelated |
| 06:44.30 | arafangion | Nyle, Iceweasle uses gtk2, does it? |
| 06:44.52 | wd | arafangion, ok mounted debian using bgrescue, grub menu.list seems ok.. also /boot shows vmlinuz-2.6.8-4-686 and initrd.img-2.6.8-4-686 |
| 06:45.10 | Nyle | arafangion, yes |
| 06:45.13 | wd | arafangion, damn what could it be? |
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| 06:45.14 | Nyle | iceweasel3 yes |
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| 06:45.26 | arafangion | Then you're right, gtk1 is irrelevant. |
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| 06:46.28 | wd | arafangion, umm did ls in /boot.. shouldn't vmlinuz have a symlink symbol? |
| 06:46.33 | arafangion | I wonder if any package manager has super-cow powers? :( |
| 06:46.40 | Nyle | I installed firefox3.0.gar.gz inside /usr/bin/firefox32 and made /etc/pango32/pangorc with proper entries |
| 06:46.52 | Nyle | I installed all the java, flash plugins |
| 06:46.56 | arafangion | wd, Possibly, I like to have grub setup to directly point to the respective kernel, though. |
| 06:47.01 | Nyle | everythign is fine, except ugly fonts |
| 06:47.20 | Nyle | but in the iceweasel3 package for amd64 (not the 32bit kind) the fonts are fine |
| 06:47.41 | wd | arafangion, ok after debian installed 2.6 kernel should i have issued grub command or debian should have done it for me? |
| 06:47.48 | Corwin | Nyle: settings for the 32bit pango libs? |
| 06:47.57 | newsense | my fonts look good with 32bit iceweasel3 |
| 06:48.33 | newsense | sorry nyle probobly not helping ya |
| 06:48.35 | arafangion | wd, Grub will read it's config file directly, it's practically an OS in its own right. |
| 06:49.38 | wd | arafangion, so what do i do? |
| 06:49.48 | newsense | dpkg-reconfigure grub |
| 06:49.49 | Nyle | Corwin, yes |
| 06:49.58 | Nyle | Corwin, how can I make that antialiased |
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| 06:50.34 | wd | newsense, from within bg-rescue? |
| 06:50.48 | Corwin | Nyle: can you get a known good 32bit pango file (is it dofferent from 64) and do a diff? |
| 06:51.13 | newsense | try it |
| 06:51.17 | wd | newsense, system won't boot with new 2.6 kernel. |
| 06:51.18 | wd | ok |
| 06:51.52 | arafangion | wd, You could try the grub shell. |
| 06:52.45 | wd | arafangion, grub shell from bg or reboot until it freezes? |
| 06:53.03 | newsense | or edit /boot/grub/menu.list ? |
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| 06:53.20 | arafangion | wd, You should be able to enter the grub shell at boot time. |
| 06:53.23 | wd | newsense, grub menu.list looks ok tho |
| 06:53.53 | wd | arafangion, ok i'll try again it reads list then stops at "boot" |
| 06:54.03 | wd | then nothing |
| 06:54.10 | wd | newsense, edit file to say what? |
| 06:54.22 | wd | newsense, because it looks fine. |
| 06:54.30 | newsense | post in pastebin |
| 06:54.40 | arafangion | wd, Once you see the list, tell it to enter the shell. I think the command is 'c'. |
| 06:54.47 | wd | newsense, i'm using bg-rescue and pcmcia not working |
| 06:54.57 | wd | arafangion, ok |
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| 06:55.54 | wd | newsense, i could never get pcmcia going in bg-rescue.. no online help.. :( |
| 06:55.59 | wd | arafangion, at grub shell |
| 06:56.13 | wd | arafangion, dpkg-reconfigure grub? |
| 06:56.44 | wd | arafangion, error 27, unrecognized command |
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| 06:58.03 | arafangion | wd, dpkg-reconfigure needs debian to run. ;) |
| 06:58.56 | gbear | If I had a question about changing user permissions as I am new to linux/debian whats the best place to get some help? |
| 06:58.57 | arafangion | wd, It's a very limited shell, you can read any text file, though, and also setup your kernel and get it to boot, once you figure out how to get it to boot, you will know what should be in the menu.list file. |
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| 06:59.16 | arafangion | gbear, Are you trying to be philosophical? ;) |
| 07:01.36 | gbear | lol... no I'm trying not to get flamed... I am really new to linux and i work with a friend of mine who's an expert. he's regularly warned me about asking stupid questions and the results it gets... especially in the debian realm... as you guys tend to expect much more... "refined" linux discussions (aka you all know what you're doing) |
| 07:02.10 | arafangion | gbear, Nothing wrong with stupid questions. :) |
| 07:02.29 | arafangion | gbear, Just don't touch the vi/emacs debate, and just don't ask debian questions if you're running ubuntu, then you should be fine. |
| 07:03.04 | newsense | vi |
| 07:03.08 | hoxu | !tell gbear about grounding |
| 07:03.23 | arafangion | thinks vi sucks, but vim ain't too bad. |
| 07:03.32 | newsense | well vim these days |
| 07:03.40 | newsense | but originally vi |
| 07:03.51 | gbear | well... I'm one worse... I haven't been able to configure my broadcom wireless card yet for my debian dual boot... so I'm trying to work on my debian configured server remotely using winscp (windows based ftp/sftp client) |
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| 07:04.05 | Corwin | gbear: The people in here are quire friendly, well except for newsense |
| 07:04.08 | Corwin | runs for cover |
| 07:04.17 | newsense | i remember it took me like 2 weeks to get vi down to where i didnt mess up a file and have to abort |
| 07:04.25 | arafangion | Corwin, No need to run for cover, he's just a vi-addict. |
| 07:04.27 | gbear | and I'm having permission problems when I'm trying to do any file modificaiton/upload etc |
| 07:04.32 | newsense | im an asshole , nice to meet ya |
| 07:04.52 | gbear | I can run ssh just fine with sudo but I'm not as familiar with ssh to be able to efficiently do file manipulation |
| 07:05.05 | gbear | its all good... we can all be frustrated with the world at times |
| 07:05.05 | Corwin | likes VI, but VIM is [much] IMproved |
| 07:05.27 | arafangion | gbear, I'd put the files into a temporary location, then move them with the neccessary permissions. |
| 07:06.29 | wd | arafangion, ok i'm about to give up... save me.. :) i rebooted normally and booting form kernel goes through the list, kernel,initrd,savedefault,boot and freezes. |
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| 07:06.48 | arafangion | wd, Excellent. |
| 07:06.52 | wd | arafangion, what |
| 07:06.58 | wd | arafangion, how |
| 07:07.08 | arafangion | wd, I gather that means your kernel has actually booted. |
| 07:07.09 | newsense | its z en thing |
| 07:07.20 | arafangion | wd, Which means that grub is no-longer the problem. |
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| 07:07.39 | Corwin | gbear: Do you understand the owner/group/everyone permission structure? |
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| 07:07.43 | newsense | grub problem would have been better |
| 07:07.50 | wd | arafangion, but.. umm it's froze on boot.. then cursor. |
| 07:08.12 | wd | newsense, funny.. :) i'm in that bad of shape? damn. |
| 07:08.15 | arafangion | wd, What messages did it give? |
| 07:08.49 | gbear | Permission denied. |
| 07:08.49 | gbear | Error code: 3 |
| 07:08.49 | gbear | Error message from server: Permission denied |
| 07:08.49 | gbear | Request code: 18 |
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| 07:09.06 | arafangion | wonders how the freaking heck one can install OpenOffice.org 3.0 without replacing his current OpenOffice.org 3 |
| 07:09.08 | wd | arafangion, none.. just kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.8-4-686 root=/dev/hda1 ro single |
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| 07:09.26 | arafangion | gbear, Use rafb.net/paste or something similar. :) |
| 07:09.28 | gbear | and it looks like I am not IRC saavy either... copy paste and I get a boot |
| 07:09.38 | wd | arafangion, initrd /boot/initrd.img-2.6.8-4-686 |
| 07:09.58 | wd | arafangion, savedefault and last boot.. then cursor blinks. |
| 07:10.01 | Corwin | gbear: as long as you eventually learn we won;t hold it against you |
| 07:10.03 | arafangion | wd, Followed by 'boot'? |
| 07:10.10 | wd | arafangion, yep |
| 07:10.14 | gbear | I'll probably get it eventualy |
| 07:10.21 | wd | arafangion, now just cursor |
| 07:10.32 | arafangion | wd, Try without the initrd. |
| 07:11.04 | gbear | ok... so I'm getting an error 3 and 18 when I try to move a file from my home directory to someplace else |
| 07:11.29 | wd | arafangion, oh crap so run bg-rescue again and comment menu.list |
| 07:11.33 | newsense | 3 and 18 ? |
| 07:11.38 | arafangion | gbear, Linux tends to use error _messages_, not error codes. |
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| 07:12.02 | newsense | i think i should go to bed lol |
| 07:12.06 | wd | arafangion, comment the initrd line right? |
| 07:12.10 | gbear | permission denied |
| 07:12.16 | newsense | thought i was in #ms for a sec |
| 07:12.20 | Corwin | gbear: read this: http://www.zzee.com/solutions/unix-permissions.shtml |
| 07:12.27 | arafangion | wd, Sure. |
| 07:12.31 | wd | arafangion, grub console sucks i can't edit jack. |
| 07:12.33 | wd | :( |
| 07:12.56 | Corwin | wd: you can always boot knoppix, chroot over and edit what you need |
| 07:13.03 | arafangion | wd, Indeed, but it does have tab completion, and can serve to prove that it can find the neccessary files. |
| 07:13.25 | wd | noway |
| 07:13.40 | Corwin | arafangion: So you're saying grub is more capiable than Vista? |
| 07:13.52 | arafangion | Corwin, Would seem that way. |
| 07:13.57 | Corwin | you're probably right |
| 07:15.11 | arafangion | Corwin, I'm tempted to just go and install cygwin,but cygwin on windows is /strange/ |
| 07:15.45 | wd | arafangion, can you help me get my pcmcia going so i can paste? |
| 07:15.53 | newsense | i tried it once at work yrs ago |
| 07:16.06 | newsense | didnt know it was still around |
| 07:16.07 | wd | arafangion, so i can ssh or something. |
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| 07:16.35 | arafangion | wd, Knoppix would help there. |
| 07:17.15 | arafangion | wd, I'm sorry there's a limit to the amount of help I can provide. :( |
| 07:17.18 | wd | arafangion, crap cdrom recognize but not working.. so i can use floppy only and i know knoppix doesn't have floppy right? |
| 07:17.25 | wd | arafangion, k |
| 07:17.41 | arafangion | Actually I think you might be able to get a boot disk to boot knoppix. |
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| 07:18.12 | wd | arafangion, k |
| 07:18.26 | wd | arafangion, well i'm in bg now.. mounting /dev/hda1 |
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| 07:18.48 | DawnLight | what are the strings for colors? |
| 07:19.07 | gbear | corwin... thanks... ok but my problem is what group I'm part of I believe |
| 07:19.27 | gbear | as I'm not looking ot modify my file permissions but my user permisisons... at least I think... |
| 07:20.42 | wd | arafangion, oh crap no nano i see /bin/vi in bg-rescue.. i'm screwed. :) |
| 07:21.12 | newsense | DawnLight: colors in what ? |
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| 07:22.38 | wd | arafangion, ok.. i tried to # the initrd line getting error. "#" is not implemented" |
| 07:23.01 | wd | arafangion, should i delete line completely? |
| 07:23.10 | arafangion | wd, When you use vi, hit 'i' to enter insert mode, then it's all as per usual. To return to command mode, hit esc, which will allow you to save (:w, for write), or quit (:q!, for quit, the exclamation mark is 'force') |
| 07:24.32 | wd | k |
| 07:24.34 | Corwin | gbear: man chgroup |
| 07:25.15 | newsense | vi, nano blows |
| 07:25.41 | newsense | x to erase |
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| 07:26.36 | wd | arafangion, ok commented initrd line so reboot right? |
| 07:27.08 | arafangion | wd, Sure. |
| 07:28.02 | arafangion | wd, Without the initrd, you might need to specify a boot=/dev/hda1 as an additional kernel argument, but you'll find out. |
| 07:28.03 | wd | arafangion, i'm gonna puke |
| 07:28.28 | wd | arafangion, same thing just didn't list initrd. |
| 07:28.48 | arafangion | wd, What system is this? |
| 07:28.53 | wd | arafangion, specify where? |
| 07:29.36 | arafangion | wd, Is it an authentic intel 486 or what? |
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| 07:29.41 | wd | arafangion, pentium pro, 100mhz, 40meg ram, 500meg hd, just base sarge and new 2.6.8 kernel which it delete my 2.4.27. |
| 07:29.49 | wd | arafangion, yes |
| 07:30.15 | arafangion | wd, Hmm, I'd put 2.4.27 back on. |
| 07:30.22 | wd | arafangion, everytime i install 2.6 kernel i get headaches |
| 07:30.30 | wd | arafangion, yea i'm with u on that |
| 07:30.55 | wd | arafangion, damn my ppc took 2.6, damn it already. :( |
| 07:30.56 | arafangion | wd, 2.4.x is still a very good kernel. |
| 07:31.20 | arafangion | That's a completely different system. :) |
| 07:31.41 | wd | arafangion, yea i agree. it seems to run great on old laps, it's just i installed 2.6 on my box and it flies. |
| 07:31.49 | wd | arafangion, what do u mean? |
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| 07:32.01 | wd | arafangion, completely diff system? |
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| 07:32.26 | arafangion | wd, The ppc sure as heck isn't a pentium 100MHz, is it? |
| 07:32.51 | wd | arafangion, no it's 166mhz but less ram.. only 32. |
| 07:33.12 | wd | arafangion, r u saying the 100mhz can't push the 2.6? |
| 07:33.32 | gbear | here's a completely different question... anyone have any suggestions on an sftp client? |
| 07:33.33 | newsense | are there any video players that play blue ray anyone knows of ? |
| 07:33.42 | kmeyer | I have 2.6.25 running fine on my pentium 133MHz |
| 07:33.42 | arafangion | wd, It's quite possible that the 2.6 binaries you have are incompatible with your CPU in some way. |
| 07:34.16 | newsense | or better yet blue ray drivers |
| 07:34.50 | wd | arafangion, maybe install 2.4 sarge base again, aptitude 2.6 again, then menuconfig and check processor? or can i just read kernel config file? |
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| 07:35.46 | arafangion | wd, You could just install it, you should be able to chroot into your system by typing in chroot /foo /bin/sh |
| 07:36.08 | arafangion | wd, From your rescue disk, not from grub. |
| 07:36.17 | arafangion | wd, Where /foo is where you mounted /dev/hda1 |
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| 07:36.53 | wd | arafangion, ok |
| 07:37.48 | wd | arafangion, i never chrooted in debian i'm kinda new to chrooting.. i do it in gentoo but omg.... so much stuff in gentoo to do. |
| 07:38.10 | wd | arafangion, ok so mount /dev/hda1 then chroot /dev/hda1 /bin/sh? |
| 07:38.11 | arafangion | wd, Such skills will come useful now. |
| 07:38.32 | wd | arafangion, yep |
| 07:38.37 | arafangion | wd, Indeed. |
| 07:38.52 | wd | ^^ is that command right? |
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| 07:39.28 | arafangion | wd, Yes, hopefully you have chroot. :( |
| 07:40.31 | arafangion | wd, If you're very lucky, you could be able to run chroot from /foo/usr/sbin/chroot |
| 07:40.48 | wd | arafangion, lol.. i did chroot /dev/hda1 /bin/sh got error.. "cannot change root dir to dev/hda1.. duh |
| 07:41.05 | arafangion | No, you need to mount it first, and use that location instead. :) |
| 07:41.05 | wd | arafangion, so i did chroot /mnt/mnt1 /bin/sh |
| 07:41.10 | arafangion | Yup, that's it. |
| 07:41.22 | wd | arafangion, i have "rescue:/1" |
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| 07:42.03 | rahsputin | Good Morning!! Good Morning!! I have an Orinoco PCMCIA Card ( http://rafb.net/p/Pav8Zo15.html ) i would like to use it in Monitoring Mode and have no Idea how to manage this task :| |
| 07:42.05 | wd | arafangion, that's it? damn gentoo is really fading :) |
| 07:42.18 | |Corwin| | rahsputin: go to aircrack-ng.org |
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| 07:43.16 | wd | rahsputin, when you figure it out let me know please because i was told silver has no scanning maybe a firmware upgrade will help me to gold. |
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| 07:43.43 | rahsputin | wd, ok |
| 07:43.55 | arafangion | wd, If hte command worked, you are now using your old system, except you've bypassed init. |
| 07:43.56 | wd | |Corwin|, thanks for the url. i was giving up hope. |
| 07:44.05 | arafangion | wd, If you prefer, you should be able to use bash. |
| 07:44.27 | arafangion | wd, But I think that even back then, sh and bash are the same. |
| 07:44.29 | wd | arafangion, k |
| 07:44.36 | wd | arafangion, o |
| 07:44.51 | arafangion | wd, Your $PS1 is probably not what you expect, and therefore your actual prompt is a bit different. |
| 07:45.10 | |Corwin| | I switched to monitor mode just 2 hours ago to run aerodump for signalstrength, I think its the most accurate sign strength indicator. |
| 07:45.12 | arafangion | wd, If you're lucky, you'll find your old kernel in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 07:45.21 | wd | arafangion, i have "rescue:/1" did "ls" saw my dir listing now i have "rescue:/2" ? |
| 07:45.33 | wd | k |
| 07:46.19 | arafangion | wd, What is your $PS1 prompt? (echo $PS1) |
| 07:46.58 | wd | PS1 as in one right? |
| 07:47.15 | arafangion | Yes. |
| 07:47.19 | wd | arafangion, /h:/w/# |
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| 07:48.21 | arafangion | wd, / is a very different character to \. :) |
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| 07:48.29 | wd | arafangion, everytime i go to a new dir numbers increase.. first i was at rescue:/1 so i did ls and got "rescue:/2" |
| 07:48.35 | arafangion | wd, The \# is your command counter, which means you've executed a new command. |
| 07:48.46 | newsense | chi-town! |
| 07:48.47 | wd | k |
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| 07:49.04 | wd | arafangion, u r schooling me tonight :) |
| 07:49.08 | arafangion | wd, And \h is your hostname, which is set to 'rescue', probably because of how you booted it with your boot 'rescue' disk. |
| 07:49.25 | wd | arafangion, k |
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| 07:50.33 | wd | arafangion, no i see kernel-image-2.6.6-4-686 and other apps |
| 07:50.39 | wd | arafangion, no 2.4 darnit. |
| 07:50.41 | wd | :( |
| 07:50.55 | arafangion | wd, Might have to download it again from somewhere. |
| 07:51.25 | wd | arafangion, can't get online darn |
| 07:51.45 | arafangion | wd, Can you read your cd's? |
| 07:51.50 | wd | this bg-rescue won't setup pcmcia.. |
| 07:51.51 | wd | no |
| 07:51.59 | arafangion | It's a laptop? |
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| 07:52.06 | wd | arafangion, cdrom is found on bootup but it's not operating |
| 07:52.10 | wd | arafangion, yes |
| 07:52.22 | arafangion | That makes it a bit more difficult. |
| 07:52.37 | arafangion | Have you tried mounting the cd drive? |
| 07:52.42 | wd | arafangion, uuugh.. that 2.4 sounds wonderful huh? lol |
| 07:52.46 | wd | arafangion, yes |
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| 07:53.26 | arafangion | wd, Are you sure you don't have an old kernel image lying around in / or /boot? |
| 07:54.03 | wd | arafangion, checking again. |
| 07:54.38 | arafangion | You could try using the floppy to get a kernel over, and hope that it doesn't ask for any dependencies when you install it. |
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| 07:55.08 | arafangion | You'll need to use 'split' to split up the .deb file into small chunks so that you can put it onto the floppy, and then 'cat' to join them together again. |
| 07:55.26 | arafangion | (I'd run md5sum just to be safe, as well) |
| 07:56.49 | wd | arafangion, you have been great tonight.. this is making me a better debian user.. i'm thinking i'm gonna just reinstall sarge with the 2.4.27 kernel.. it's only like about 1hr or less. |
| 07:57.26 | wd | arafangion, 2.4 isn't bad i just wanted 2.6 for extra security and features heck. |
| 07:57.43 | wd | arafangion, u still run 2.4 right? |
| 07:57.44 | arafangion | wd, Well, make sure you back up /home, copy /etc, and a copy of dpkg --get-selections |
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| 07:58.14 | arafangion | wd, I run 2.6 kernels mostly, as I have no reason to stay with 2.4. |
| 07:58.39 | wd | arafangion, yea i don't blame you. 2.6 is awesome. :) |
| 07:58.45 | arafangion | wd, But I doubt that 2.6 is better for security and features, it's better for hardware support, for sure. |
| 07:59.00 | arafangion | wd, 2.4 will still have security fixes, etc, I'm sure. |
| 07:59.07 | wd | arafangion, yes |
| 08:00.11 | wd | arafangion, if i could only learn how to get pcmcia enabled with bg-rescue... i'll be in better luck. well gotta go reinstall lol... |
| 08:00.22 | wd | bbl much later. |
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| 08:01.14 | wd | thanks again.. i'm seeing debian is a nice distro.. i've come along way... ubuntu, gentoo, debian.... |
| 08:01.24 | arafangion | wd, Your problem with pcmcia is mostly due to your rescue kernel not supporting it. |
| 08:01.26 | wd | arafangion, in that order. |
| 08:02.25 | wd | arafangion, yes... i couldn't load yenta and something else on bootup.. so what do i do or do u know a floppy rescue that supports wireless? |
| 08:03.14 | wd | nvm i'll google.. u've done enough help.. thanks. |
| 08:03.27 | arafangion | went Redhat, Mandrake (back when it had the shit compiler that most people do not believe even existed and incompatible system libs), to a custom system with LinuxFromScratch.org, to a brief stint with Gentoo (way back in its early days), then debian. |
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| 08:03.52 | arafangion | wd, Usually wireless stuff requires firmware and all manner of stuff that you've simply run out of space to put onto one or two floppies. |
| 08:04.03 | wd | arafangion, ok |
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| 08:05.07 | arafangion | I guess this means I can't procrastinate anymore (from cleaning my room) |
| 08:05.11 | wd | arafangion, i just downloaded slackware book and had kinko's bind it, i was told to run slack on this maybe 9 or 10.. i hear it's faster than gentoo, install from source even just not those long compiles. |
| 08:05.41 | arafangion | wd, For that laptop, either slackware or debian are both excellent choices. |
| 08:06.09 | wd | arafangion, i've been reading alot on it and i found out that pat and ian made their distros for lack of stuff in sls linux or something. |
| 08:06.21 | arafangion | What? |
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| 08:07.14 | wd | arafangion, debian is best choice i'm impressed it got two of my old laptops to run with some life. |
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| 08:07.45 | owen1_ | can's use virtualbox on lenny - Makefile:127: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
| 08:07.49 | arafangion | Debian is an extremely mature OS, indeed. |
| 08:08.00 | wd | arafangion, i agree |
| 08:08.45 | wd | arafangion, i'm wondering why i keep going back to gentoo.. i think it's the responsiveness.. you know what i'm talking about.. |
| 08:09.04 | protocols | owen1_, read the docs on virtualbox |
| 08:09.10 | arafangion | wd, That's probably because you have fewer services running. |
| 08:09.10 | protocols | you have to install linux-headers |
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| 08:09.39 | wd | arafangion, however when i installed 2.6.8 kernel in sarge on my test box speed picked up and it flies now.. damn.. am i wasting time compiling USE flags for nothing? |
| 08:09.41 | arafangion | wd, Next time you get debian installed, I suggest you run ps aux, and see what's running. Disabling a few of those daemons could get you some more performance. |
| 08:09.41 | protocols | I did not have problemes installing virtualbox on my machine |
| 08:10.09 | wd | arafangion, oh ok |
| 08:10.16 | owen1_ | protocols: did u get it from apt? |
| 08:10.39 | arafangion | wd, You are wasting some time indeed, though you are getting /some/ performance improvement due to being able to optimise the binaries for your cpu, but most of it is due to reduced dependencies on other packages and fewer background processes running. |
| 08:10.58 | wd | arafangion, yea because i installed sarge base, install vlc and went to test a movie and bamm sound? i never installed alsa or oss? im impressed.. damn. |
| 08:11.05 | protocols | owen1_, virtualbox? |
| 08:11.13 | arafangion | wd, :) |
| 08:11.24 | owen1_ | protocols: yes |
| 08:11.58 | protocols | nope |
| 08:12.00 | arafangion | protocols, vbox is opensource, I think, though they have commercial versions with more functionality. |
| 08:12.14 | wd | arafangion, be honest how often do you go back to gentoo? :) it's the multimedia omg.. so much codecs it's hard to leave. |
| 08:12.17 | protocols | owen1_, did you install this? http://packages.debian.org/lenny/virtualbox-ose-modules |
| 08:12.27 | arafangion | protocols, In any case, they have a sources line for us apt users, which is nice. :) |
| 08:12.40 | arafangion | wd, You can get the same in debian. |
| 08:12.56 | owen1_ | protocols: not sure. it used to work until i upgraded my etch to lenny |
| 08:13.11 | arafangion | wd, Debian puts most of them into the nonfree repo, though, which is not enabled by default. |
| 08:13.12 | owen1_ | protocols: it's something with the new kernel |
| 08:13.23 | wd | arafangion, oh ok. |
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| 08:13.34 | protocols | arafangion, afaik the don't have a commercial product line, but they do have closed source enhancements |
| 08:13.41 | wd | arafangion, i'll get source list. |
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| 08:14.07 | protocols | owen1_, virtualbox only exists since lenny - at least in the official repository of debian |
| 08:14.22 | protocols | just grab your kernel-headers |
| 08:14.32 | owen1_ | protocols: how? |
| 08:14.57 | protocols | http://packages.debian.org/search?suite=lenny&searchon=names&keywords=linux-headers |
| 08:15.08 | protocols | pick one which meets your system |
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| 08:15.16 | protocols | $ uname -a |
| 08:16.47 | arafangion | protocols, Technically, you should pick the one that matches the one that glibc was compiled against. |
| 08:17.56 | protocols | I really don't have any clue ;) - but yeah you sound more correct ;) |
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| 08:19.53 | owen1_ | protocols: arafangion: uname return 2.6.25-2-686. the file i download is linux-headers-2.6.25-2-486_2.6.25-7_i386.deb is it ok? |
| 08:21.35 | Nyle | hey |
| 08:21.38 | Nyle | whats up lately |
| 08:21.50 | Nyle | arafangion, do you remember what problem I came with? |
| 08:21.59 | arafangion | owen1_, Should be fine, I never know which kernel headers one should use on debian. |
| 08:22.09 | arafangion | Nyle, No, why would I? |
| 08:22.22 | owen1_ | AfterDeath: what are those headers anyway? kind of scary. |
| 08:22.28 | Nyle | I installed iceweasel3.0 inside amd64 using ia32-libs and etc. Everything is fine, 32bit iceweasel, ia32-libs-java, flash, 32bit mplayer plugins all is well. But the fonts being rendered by this iceweasel are non anti-aliased, iow, very very ugly. how can I turn on anti alias in 32bit iceweasel inside amd64 |
| 08:22.38 | owen1_ | arafangion: what are those headers anyway? kind of scary. |
| 08:22.40 | cplx | someone host an australian link for freenode! :) |
| 08:22.45 | Nyle | does anyone know what could be going on? |
| 08:23.31 | cast|lir | question! will going from etch to etchnahalf solve my 'xorg takes up 100% of the cpu when running a noisy terminal program in gnome-terminal' problem [i have a feeling using nvidia driver will fix that, but maybe the newer xv has some improvements] |
| 08:23.43 | arafangion | owen1_, Essentially they are C header files needed to compile software that requires those headers. |
| 08:23.47 | cast|lir | or maybe gterm just sucks |
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| 08:26.24 | thedonvaughn | cast|lir: noisy-terminal program in gnome-terminal? |
| 08:26.33 | cast|lir | aye |
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| 08:26.41 | cast|lir | wait |
| 08:26.44 | cast|lir | no. |
| 08:26.58 | cast|lir | the noisy terminal program runs inside of gterm atm |
| 08:27.43 | thedonvaughn | no i mean wth is a noisy terminal program? |
| 08:27.54 | cast|lir | one that is very verbose |
| 08:28.04 | thedonvaughn | oh |
| 08:29.36 | owen1_ | can't install the headers, dependency issue: Package linux-headers-2.6.25-2-common is not installed. |
| 08:30.00 | owen1_ | the same with Package linux-kbuild-2.6.25 is not installed. |
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| 08:30.25 | cast|lir | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.33 | owen1_ | cast|lir: yes |
| 08:30.51 | ^shark_ | how does someonee upgrade a package using apt? |
| 08:31.02 | cast|lir | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.23 | cast|lir | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-headers-2.6.25-2-common |
| 08:31.37 | owen1_ | what a mistake, i upgrate to lenny and have all kind of issues. |
| 08:31.58 | cast|lir | run a aptitude update then check again if linux-headers-2.6.25-2-common is there |
| 08:32.11 | owen1_ | cast|lir: ok |
| 08:32.11 | cast|lir | if not then paste your sources.list |
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| 08:32.37 | arquebus | hello, could someone help me find where to download 4.0 r3 _Etch_ - Official i386 NETINST |
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| 08:33.30 | simonrvn | www.debian.org ... |
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| 08:33.42 | cast|lir | i typed debian etch netinst and found it in 2 clicks |
| 08:33.53 | arquebus | where? where? |
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| 08:34.24 | cast|lir | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ was the first gogole hit, that was one click to get to there then... |
| 08:34.49 | cast|lir | nudges arquebus along |
| 08:35.36 | arquebus | ok, Im looking, just a sec |
| 08:35.39 | Odd_Bloke | Does anyone know why I'm getting [[!meta ...]] tags showing up in http://under.daniel-watkins.co.uk/recentchanges/? I know this isn't really an entirely appropriate forum for the question, but I don't know where else to ask... |
| 08:37.44 | hoxu | Odd_Bloke, #mediawiki? |
| 08:39.15 | arquebus | well I found 4.0r4 but not 4.0r3 etch, I guess Im in the ballpark |
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| 08:40.15 | Odd_Bloke | hoxu: It's running ikiwiki, so I don't think they'd altogether appreciate it. ;) |
| 08:40.23 | thedonvaughn | arquebus: that doesn't make sense. If you _use_ that netinstall, it's going to install 4.0r4 since it pulls it from the net. the etch repo is updated, you have no choice. |
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| 08:40.51 | thedonvaughn | arquebus: if you use a 4.0r3 disc and netinstall, you'll still have 4.0r4 |
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| 08:41.11 | arquebus | thedonvaughn- ok, didnt know that. I lost my original install disk and now I cant download stuff off apt get without it |
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| 08:41.34 | arquebus | thedonvaughn-thx |
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| 08:59.12 | owen1_ | cast|lir: i upgrade, and installed the headers but still gets error when trying to open my xp on vbox. |
| 08:59.37 | owen1_ | cast|lir: Makefile:127: *** Error: unable to find the sources of your current Linux kernel. Specify KERN_DIR=<directory> and run Make again. Stop. |
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| 09:00.04 | cast|lir | yeah, im going mountain biking now :P |
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| 09:05.07 | owen1_ | cast|lir: enjoy! |
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| 09:14.20 | pozic | I have two columns with data is there any command that just shows that data as a 2d plot without requiring more options? |
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| 09:18.52 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 09:19.01 | DawnLight | hi |
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| 09:20.37 | cydork | pozic: gnuplot |
| 09:20.45 | pozic | cydork: already tried it |
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| 09:20.51 | cydork | pozic: it does it.. |
| 09:21.07 | pozic | cydork: not on this file, it seems it cannot handle starting with a negative number. |
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| 09:22.34 | cydork | pozic: LIES |
| 09:22.46 | pozic | cydork: it does work when I first start it and then give the appropriate command. |
| 09:22.55 | pozic | cydork: but just gnuplot datafile does not work. |
| 09:23.00 | pozic | cydork: which is what I asked. |
| 09:23.50 | pumpkin0 | pozic: you can pipe it any command you want. You can do it all from console w/o touching gnuplot build-in stuff. |
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| 09:24.33 | pozic | pumpkin0: yes, I know so. I have done very elaborate things with gnuplot. |
| 09:24.44 | pozic | pumpkin0: that was not what I was asking. |
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| 09:26.13 | cydork | pozic: gnuplot takes a filename as arguments but that file should contain the commands.. |
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| 09:27.16 | pozic | cydork: right, and that was not what I asked for. |
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| 09:28.03 | pozic | cydork: but the problem has been solved now. Thanks for trying to help anyway. |
| 09:28.38 | pozic | I also tried oocalc and gnumeric again. Do they call that user-friendly? |
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| 09:30.23 | s4br3 | Hi, I found my old Unreal 1 disc (yohoo) but cannot get any sound under wine. :( I run Debian Sid 32-bit with KDE. |
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| 09:30.47 | Tuttle | Is it normal that packages appear as Security Updates so many days after the last changelog entry Mon, 16 Jun 2008 (about the same date as the acceptation to stable according to the PTS) ? |
| 09:30.53 | cydork | pozic: frankly i never used anything but gnuplot :) |
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| 09:31.09 | arafangion | compiles the kernel "the debian way" for the first time. |
| 09:31.38 | pozic | cydork: I used Excel and gnuplot to get things done. The rest was all garbage. |
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| 09:32.50 | pozic | cydork: matplotlib also looks nice |
| 09:33.02 | arafangion | pozic, Excel + gnuplot is a very unusual combination. :) |
| 09:33.10 | pozic | cydork: but I don't know whether it does data. |
| 09:33.15 | pozic | arafangion: why? |
| 09:33.22 | s4br3 | pozic: Have you tried R? |
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| 09:33.26 | pozic | s4br3: yes |
| 09:33.41 | arafangion | pozic, I haven't used it, but have you tried Octave? |
| 09:33.52 | pozic | s4br3: I don't like the plot library although everyone in the R community says it's great. |
| 09:34.03 | s4br3 | pozic: What is wrong with R?! It rules! |
| 09:34.12 | pozic | s4br3: I got some plots out of it, but customising everything took too long. |
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| 09:34.33 | arafangion | I tend to use python and some kind of plotting library. |
| 09:34.39 | cydork | pozic: no idea.. |
| 09:34.54 | s4br3 | pozic: Tried Maxima too? |
| 09:35.14 | cydork | s4br3: Maxima and octave do a lot more than plotting.. |
| 09:35.18 | arafangion | Python with matplotlib, rather. |
| 09:35.20 | pozic | s4br3: I tried Maxima, but I never used it to plot anything. |
| 09:35.47 | pozic | s4br3: I have no negative opinion on Maxima, other than that I only rarely have a use for it. |
| 09:35.49 | s4br3 | cydork: I missed the original question. What was it? |
| 09:36.16 | pozic | s4br3: plot a data file with just one command without scripting anything. |
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| 09:36.41 | et | just write a skript that does it :p |
| 09:36.51 | arafangion | I would tend to argue that that is impossible, though one can make the user _think_ they aren't doing any scripting/programming. |
| 09:36.55 | et | you would be done by now, probably |
| 09:36.56 | s4br3 | pozic: In R, "plot(Y ~ X, datafile) |
| 09:37.20 | pozic | s4br3: in gnuplot: plot 'datafile' |
| 09:37.41 | pozic | But that Y ~ X syntax is nice. |
| 09:37.56 | s4br3 | and you can have subsets |
| 09:38.23 | pozic | s4br3: that command doesn't work, since it was some thing ago that I used R. |
| 09:38.27 | flowr | hi, one question. How come that synaptics updates more than 700 packets to newer versions (I wanted to install one thing.. and it updates everything) when aptidude update + aptitude dist-upgrade havent done that (then synaptics wouldnt find newer versions which it obvious does) |
| 09:38.28 | s4br3 | plot(Y ~ X, subset(Z==3,datafile)) |
| 09:38.39 | pozic | s4br3: The file is in ~/datafile |
| 09:38.49 | pozic | s4br3: and I am in ~ when I execute R. |
| 09:39.14 | pozic | s4br3: what's string syntax in R again? |
| 09:39.16 | s4br3 | Put sd= /home//pozic/ |
| 09:39.19 | s4br3 | Put sd= /home/pozic/ |
| 09:40.06 | s4br3 | Put setwd("/home/pozic/") |
| 09:40.11 | s4br3 | that's it |
| 09:40.21 | s4br3 | as your first line in a text file |
| 09:41.10 | s4br3 | Put setwd("/home/pozic/datafiles"). setwd = set working directory |
| 09:41.30 | pozic | s4br3: and what's the plot command then? |
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| 09:42.22 | pozic | s4br3: I doubt the working directory was the problem. |
| 09:42.57 | pozic | s4br3: every file operation is relative to the current directory in most APIs. |
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| 09:45.23 | pozic | s4br3: tab <- read.table("datafile") plot(tab) does work. |
| 09:45.28 | s4br3 | I do something like datafile_01 <- read-table("Home/ |
| 09:45.32 | s4br3 | exactly |
| 09:45.35 | s4br3 | you got it |
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| 09:45.48 | pozic | s4br3: yes, I already did this earlier in my life. |
| 09:45.54 | s4br3 | and then? |
| 09:46.05 | pozic | s4br3: I am just saying that even for this task R is not the best tool. |
| 09:46.29 | s4br3 | But the added libs have made my life worthwhile |
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| 09:46.41 | s4br3 | packages are abundant |
| 09:47.01 | pozic | s4br3: yes, but I am not currently interested in doing advanced statistics. |
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| 09:47.34 | s4br3 | You are just plotting Y X |
| 09:47.37 | s4br3 | ? |
| 09:48.03 | pozic | s4br3: yes, I wanted to check whether the plot library I am using plotted the right stuff. |
| 09:48.14 | pozic | s4br3: just to double check. |
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| 09:48.34 | s4br3 | RLplot? |
| 09:48.50 | eth01 | chemplot |
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| 09:54.13 | pozic | s4br3: RLplot can read the data in, but the plot doesn't work. |
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| 09:57.43 | DawnLight | hi hi hi |
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| 10:08.48 | arafangion | Network File System. Simple questions should be done through wikipedia. |
| 10:09.58 | arafangion | How might I get two mouse pointers? (I have two mice connected, therefore I was wondering if I could give each mouse its own mouse pointer). |
| 10:10.11 | arafangion | Would be a nice, cheap alternative to "multitouch" hardware. |
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| 10:12.03 | voraistos1 | Hi. I would like to mount a ftp dir as, err, /mnt/ftp for example... Do you know how i can do this ? |
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| 10:14.05 | arafangion | voraistos, You would need to use fuse. |
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| 10:18.39 | Nazz | i cant seem to find libghc6-gtk-dev in the unstable distribution, but it seems to exist in sid. should i download that package directly from packages.debian.org? |
| 10:20.58 | Nazz | ooh. |
| 10:21.10 | Nazz | it seems i miss my sleep |
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| 10:22.15 | MrNaz | hey Nazz ! |
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| 10:34.54 | bolt_ | When I do something like "sleep 60 &", I can find the process I spawned just fine with "ps auxf". However, when I do something like that in my /etc/rc.local, I can't find the process in the list. Why? |
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| 10:37.08 | dustybin | if a disk goes down using software RAID how do you know what disk has gone down? |
| 10:37.28 | dustybin | does a email get sent to root identifying the problem disk? |
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| 10:41.09 | raboof | hey guys, I have a wireshark dump that seems to indicate my tcp stack is misbehaving, though I can hardly believe that |
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| 10:41.29 | raboof | where could I find more experienced people to take a look at what's going on? |
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| 10:42.14 | dustybin | raboof: its me, i poisioned your tcp stack |
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| 10:42.57 | raboof | the dump is at http://arnout.engelen.eu/files/stallingdownload , the client keeps tcp-ack-ing seq. nr 5473, my server keeps retransmitting an older packet (seqnr 2737) |
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| 10:43.05 | raboof | this was sniffed at the server side of the connection |
| 10:43.49 | dustybin | Rockj: im the man in the middle |
| 10:43.56 | raboof | upgrading from 2.6.22 to 2.6.25 didn't change the behaviour, this happens for rougly 1 out of 30 downloads |
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| 10:45.13 | man_in_ltop | waves |
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| 10:45.41 | man_in_ltop | is there a way to set a default value for "make -j"? |
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| 10:46.41 | amphi | I use alias; you can also set MAKEFLAGS I believe |
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| 10:48.46 | raboof | what would be a good forum to discuss my problem? forums.debian.net? or some debian mailinglist? or some general linux board/list? |
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| 10:50.04 | man_in_ltop | you could make your own forum and ask there :P |
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| 10:50.57 | raboof | gee, thanks for the tip :S |
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| 10:51.05 | man_in_ltop | raboof, have you tried here? |
| 10:51.59 | raboof | man_in_ltop: yes, 10 minutes ago |
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| 10:55.52 | Coke | How can I make exim4 NOT rewrite the outgoing domain on my email? |
| 10:57.34 | man_in_ltop | and why would you want to do that? |
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| 10:59.00 | Coke | man_in_ltop: because I use my sf email for mailing lists |
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| 10:59.24 | pingouin | how can i get the uuid of a usb device or hard drive, to add it it my fstab to use with mount ? |
| 10:59.26 | Coke | man_in_ltop: it doesn't rewrite the user so the account@domain has the wrong domain ending |
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| 11:01.04 | zyx386 | hi |
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| 11:01.08 | voraistos1 | hi |
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| 11:01.18 | zyx386 | /usr/bin/iceweasel close can't close iceweasel :( |
| 11:01.29 | zyx386 | "/usr/bin/iceweasel close" |
| 11:01.34 | voraistos1 | killall firefox-bin does it :d |
| 11:01.53 | zyx386 | firefox or iceweasel :) |
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| 11:02.14 | voraistos1 | i find it quite strange actually that iceweasel uses the same bin name as firefox. can the two work together ? |
| 11:02.26 | voraistos1 | or is this a lenny bug ? |
| 11:02.39 | hatter_ | how do i troubleshoot this ? WARNING: raw kernel module not loaded or failure to read/write /dev/raw1394 |
| 11:02.41 | Coke | voraistos1: it's suposedly the same browser with different name and a bit different layout |
| 11:03.07 | zyx386 | voraistos, killall firefox-bin |
| 11:03.17 | hatter_ | raw1394 is loaded and the user is part of the group |
| 11:03.19 | zyx386 | and /usr/bin/iceweasel start |
| 11:03.26 | voraistos1 | is this not a problem, to have icewease being called firefox-bin ? |
| 11:03.29 | zyx386 | yet worked fine :) |
| 11:03.31 | Coke | Still, any way to make Exim4 NOT rewrite the outgoing domain name on my from headers? |
| 11:03.37 | zyx386 | thanx voraistos |
| 11:04.13 | man_in_ltop | Coke, run exim4 on your target domain? |
| 11:05.02 | voraistos1 | i thought the issue was to use the name but different logos and such... in this case the process is still called firefox. |
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| 11:05.31 | ribnitz | heyas |
| 11:05.58 | Coke | man_in_ltop: Don't know what you mean. My domain is X, but I'm sending using coke@Y, but when passing through exim it becomes coke@X |
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| 11:06.14 | ribnitz | where do I start if I want to set up a (debian-based) system that can run virtualized linuxes and windowses? |
| 11:06.22 | man_in_ltop | Coke, sounds like an anti-spammer thing |
| 11:07.44 | man_in_ltop | Coke, probably better to just set Reply-To header |
| 11:07.48 | Coke | man_in_ltop: it's not how it was working by default 5-6 months ago |
| 11:07.56 | Coke | man_in_ltop: it's not what I want. |
| 11:08.05 | Coke | man_in_ltop: reply and from needs to be the source forge address |
| 11:08.52 | Coke | at least the From so the mailing list won't reject me and that other participants can see that it's me. |
| 11:09.14 | ribnitz | Coke: have you asked #exim? |
| 11:10.27 | Coke | ribnitz: no. since exim4 has worked out of the box for the two last years and now that I installed a new testing version it does not, I want to find out if this is the default behavior Debian intends. |
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| 11:12.04 | Coke | ribnitz: I _could_ read the manual and change the configuration files manually, but I'd like to stick with the update exim conf if possible |
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| 11:13.26 | ribnitz | Coke: I havent£t touched exim in about a year, no idea. However, beforehand I had a gheavily customized config. |
| 11:14.43 | Coke | ribnitz: I've always just used the Debian default. This rewrite crap is something new and it's very annoying. |
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| 11:15.03 | ericP | i recall there being an auxilliary installer deb package for vlc to give you all non-free codecs |
| 11:15.16 | ericP | i son't see anything that looks like that in my current avail packages, and i've been getting «no suitable decoder module for fourcc `DX50'» (and no picture) |
| 11:15.36 | ericP | any pointers on nice vlc codec installer packages? |
| 11:15.53 | man_in_ltop | ericP, vlc has its own codecs |
| 11:16.13 | man_in_ltop | ericP, you may be thinking of libavcodec, which is supported in recent vlc versions |
| 11:16.28 | Coke | Damn youuuu broken exim4 debian config! |
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| 11:16.59 | man_in_ltop | ericP, if that still fails, you'll probably have to rm -rf ~/.vlc, which is what i had to do to get about 99% of my codecs working again |
| 11:17.26 | ericP | man_in_ltop, trying now; tx kinldy |
| 11:19.03 | ericP | found conflict on libavcodec1d -- good lead |
| 11:20.11 | ericP | man_in_ltop, i have libavcodec51 installed, is that what you have? |
| 11:20.47 | man_in_ltop | sounds about right |
| 11:20.47 | ericP | (perhaps irrelevent -- will rm .vlc before wasting others' time) |
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| 11:22.11 | ericP | no joy on rm .vlc |
| 11:22.31 | man_in_ltop | you're not using debian-multimedia.org repository, are you? |
| 11:23.00 | ericP | deb http://mirror.home-dn.net/debian-multimedia unstable main |
| 11:23.02 | ericP | looks like |
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| 11:24.22 | ericP | man_in_ltop, why, is that a more restricted set of packages? |
| 11:24.43 | man_in_ltop | ericP, http://debian-multimedia.org/ << there's a news item here about libavc stuff. dated 18/06/2008 |
| 11:25.01 | ericP | checking it out - tx |
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| 11:26.03 | Coke | Uhm, in my /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf I have dc_use_split_config='false', yet the configs are split under conf.d... What exactly is this supposed to do? |
| 11:26.23 | K-Vrat | hello all |
| 11:27.22 | K-Vrat | ÑÑÑÑкие еÑÑÑ? |
| 11:27.28 | ericP | Coke, i recall the split ones being installed either way; just a question of which ones it uses |
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| 11:27.53 | miguelanxo | Hi there! |
| 11:27.59 | man_in_ltop | i don't remember what mailserver i used to use |
| 11:28.01 | miguelanxo | Someone from liverpool? |
| 11:28.27 | man_in_ltop | miguelanxo, i always thought that was a disgusting name :P |
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| 11:28.52 | miguelanxo | hehe |
| 11:28.59 | Coke | ericP: it uses /var/lib/exim4/config.autogenerated, or? |
| 11:29.25 | ericP | K-Vrat, мало па ÑÑÑÑкие, sorry |
| 11:29.32 | K-Vrat | what program may i use for system auto update(gui)? i have installed debian+xfce |
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| 11:30.11 | Coke | ericP: i have my /etc/email-addresses properly configured, but it uses my ISP domain instead of my mailing list domain anyway. |
| 11:30.53 | wols_ | K-Vrat: synaptic |
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| 11:33.39 | K-Vrat | wols_, mm update system by 1 click? |
| 11:33.45 | ericP | Coke, in my inst, i have only localhost in /etc/exim4/update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 11:33.50 | wols_ | K-Vrat: no |
| 11:34.57 | Coke | ericP: you wouldn't know how to prevent exim from rewriting my From header? |
| 11:35.00 | K-Vrat | wols_, in kde or gnome there is such function - updating by one click |
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| 11:36.33 | Coke | Hm, my exim is using remote_smtp_smarthost as transport, maybe the smarthost is rewriting? |
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| 11:37.38 | ericP | Coke, i suck at mail, but i'm anxious to help |
| 11:37.47 | ericP | am waiting for an experimental mail to come through |
| 11:38.26 | ericP | looks like exim left my tweaked From nicely alone |
| 11:39.27 | ericP | hmm, not sure yet -- was just looking at by Fcc'd version |
| 11:41.55 | ribnitz | to mount a file server (able to serve mostly audio to linux and windows clients, what would you recommend? |
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| 11:42.25 | Coke | ericP: it will be interresting to see if it's untouched |
| 11:42.29 | ribnitz | (I do have a basic sid set up) |
| 11:43.10 | ericP | Coke, or if it ever frickin' arrives |
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| 11:44.09 | ericP | 932 packages upgraded |
| 11:44.18 | ericP | predicts doom |
| 11:44.27 | Coke | _certain_ doom |
| 11:44.54 | ribnitz | Life is a terminal experience? |
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| 11:45.18 | man_in_ltop | the number 1 cause of death in the world is having lived |
| 11:45.31 | cahoot | birth |
| 11:45.35 | Coke | Doom; somatic, verbal. Target system is inflicted with -2 on all ability scores for 1 round / number of upgraded packages. Save: None. |
| 11:46.11 | man_in_ltop | history has shown that all people that have lived have died, therefore living is the biggest killer in the world |
| 11:46.25 | cahoot | not all yet |
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| 11:46.53 | Coke | man_in_ltop: that's not scientific. all living things have also lived on earth, could just as well be the planet that's all wrong. |
| 11:47.21 | man_in_ltop | Coke, find me an immortal alien and prove me wrong |
| 11:47.23 | Coke | man_in_ltop: also, things that never lived are also dead, so the control group check fails. :) |
| 11:47.33 | Coke | man_in_ltop: lack of evidence is not evidence |
| 11:47.49 | man_in_ltop | sure it is |
| 11:47.54 | Coke | _one_ control group, it'd be nice to also test on immortals and non-earthly life. |
| 11:47.59 | Coke | man_in_ltop: not in science |
| 11:48.04 | man_in_ltop | if there's enough empirical evidence |
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| 11:48.13 | Coke | man_in_ltop: then there's no lack of evidence |
| 11:48.35 | zyx386 | i install mod_mono on my server but can't display page with .aspx ? |
| 11:48.38 | man_in_ltop | Coke, so there's no evidence for evolution or geological science, because it's never been proven wrong? |
| 11:48.48 | Coke | but there's just as much empirical evidence that makes the planet earth the culprit. |
| 11:49.05 | man_in_ltop | so you're saying god created aliens? |
| 11:49.08 | Coke | man_in_ltop: no, now you twisted it. |
| 11:49.12 | zyx386 | receive this error http://paste.debian.net/13646/ |
| 11:49.19 | man_in_ltop | and evolution is only valid on earth |
| 11:49.36 | ribnitz | is it? |
| 11:49.38 | Coke | man_in_ltop: so maybe it's the earth that kills stuff rather than life? |
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| 11:50.06 | man_in_ltop | Coke, i like your argument. i can use it to prove that god created aliens |
| 11:50.08 | Coke | man_in_ltop: the point is, you don't know because you haven't got any control groups. this is why the theory evolution is impossible to prove as well. |
| 11:50.18 | Coke | man_in_ltop: no you cannot |
| 11:50.23 | man_in_ltop | i believe i just did |
| 11:50.40 | Coke | man_in_ltop: yes, but your statement is nonsensical at best |
| 11:50.41 | man_in_ltop | not only did god create aliens, but god created immortal aliens |
| 11:50.56 | man_in_ltop | so logically, since god is also immortal, god is obviously an alien |
| 11:51.00 | Coke | there's no empirical evidence or even a hint that it is true |
| 11:51.12 | xand | that's fail logic. |
| 11:51.27 | Coke | it might as well be aliens who created god |
| 11:51.36 | zyx386 | i can finde the libapache mod_mono |
| 11:51.43 | zyx386 | but i can't install it |
| 11:51.43 | zyx386 | http://paste.debian.net/13647/ |
| 11:51.45 | zyx386 | ? |
| 11:51.46 | xand | humans "created" god before science could explain anything. |
| 11:51.50 | ribnitz | man_in_ltop: not necessarily: immportal +=uncreated |
| 11:51.50 | man_in_ltop | Coke, you're saying that since all of our science is based on the way things work on earth, it doesn't apply to the rest of the universe |
| 11:52.09 | Coke | zyx386: apt-cache search apache mono -> some packages of interrest? |
| 11:52.17 | zyx386 | ok |
| 11:52.20 | Coke | man_in_ltop: no, that's not what I'm saying |
| 11:52.23 | man_in_ltop | sure it is |
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| 11:52.28 | Coke | man_in_ltop: no |
| 11:52.38 | Coke | man_in_ltop: if you think that you don't comprehend what I wrote |
| 11:52.48 | man_in_ltop | my argument is that everything that has ever died has died as a result of living |
| 11:52.55 | cast|lir | !god |
| 11:53.03 | man_in_ltop | your agument is that it's not living killing things, but the earth |
| 11:53.10 | cast|lir | my god, a factoid dpkg doesn't have |
| 11:53.12 | Coke | man_in_ltop: it's just as valid |
| 11:53.23 | man_in_ltop | since all life we know of has lived on earth |
| 11:53.28 | Coke | man_in_ltop: what I said is that your statement is not scientific, because there's empiric evidence suggesting several reasons |
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| 11:53.44 | zyx386 | Coke, finde this http://paste.debian.net/13648/ |
| 11:53.45 | gad0 | anyone there ? |
| 11:53.50 | zyx386 | install all of them ? |
| 11:53.51 | Coke | man_in_ltop: and until you do control groups (i.e living things on earth and off earths) you cannot remove earth as a likely suspect for death |
| 11:53.54 | ericP | Coke, looks like my mail got sent out unadulterated, but swallowed by an MTA further down the line |
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| 11:54.05 | Coke | ericP: too bad. |
| 11:54.06 | man_in_ltop | Coke, so breathing oxygen, or being composed primarily of water, they're the biggest killers, are they? |
| 11:54.13 | Coke | man_in_ltop: could be. |
| 11:54.20 | man_in_ltop | what about being composed of molecule? |
| 11:54.23 | man_in_ltop | *molecules |
| 11:54.38 | Coke | man_in_ltop: all I'm saying is that science DEMANDS you investigate all other factors and dismiss them |
| 11:54.51 | Coke | meff: we are composed of molecules. |
| 11:54.58 | Coke | man_in_ltop: oh, to you. |
| 11:55.01 | man_in_ltop | Coke, if that's true, we would never have any form of scientific process |
| 11:55.16 | Coke | man_in_ltop: yes we do. this is part of the scientific process. I don't think you understand science |
| 11:55.17 | man_in_ltop | *progress |
| 11:55.25 | man_in_ltop | i meant progress |
| 11:55.34 | Coke | I can say "my socks prevent cancer because I have my socks on and I do not have cancer", but that would not be a scientific statement |
| 11:55.47 | ribnitz | Something is believed true until proven false. |
| 11:56.10 | Coke | man_in_ltop: yes we do, progress in science is solely based on the sharp razors that cut away theories with dualities or semi-truths to them |
| 11:56.20 | Coke | ribnitz: that's how religion works |
| 11:56.23 | gad0 | downloading first DVD iso. is it enough for installing debian & if I need other extra packages I can install through net will this work ? |
| 11:56.39 | man_in_ltop | Coke, such as, for example, that all science in existence is based on our observations as people from earth |
| 11:56.44 | Coke | ribnitz: but as usual, burden of evidence is on the proponent of the theori. it's much much easier to prove something than to disprove something. |
| 11:56.50 | man_in_ltop | Coke, you're saying that's a killer for any logical statement |
| 11:57.03 | Coke | man_in_ltop: not true. science of star formation has nothing to do with humans |
| 11:57.12 | ribnitz | Coke: thats how the scientific process works. Until you saw a flying pig, you can't rule out that pigs don't fly |
| 11:57.15 | pumpkin0 | gad0: the DVD contains everything for a normal office-style install. |
| 11:57.24 | man_in_ltop | Coke, of course it does, since we're the ones observing it, predicting it, modelling it, etc |
| 11:57.35 | Coke | man_in_ltop: I'm saying, you cannot prove life is the cause of death by merely correlating between living and dying. There are many things that correlate to dying. |
| 11:57.46 | gad0 | pumpkin0, ok |
| 11:57.48 | Coke | man_in_ltop: yes, but stars are the same, regardless. |
| 11:57.54 | gad0 | pumpkin0, thanks |
| 11:58.05 | Coke | man_in_ltop: this is getting boring, you don't get how science works, that's ok, about 80% of the people in the world have no clue. |
| 11:58.12 | pumpkin0 | gad0: and adding stuff later via network is painless. |
| 11:58.14 | ribnitz | gad0: There is a netinst CD (120-250MB) that£ll do the same. |
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| 11:58.56 | man_in_ltop | Coke, maybe our theories only seem to be correct because some unseen force surrounding our solar system is manipulating how we perceive the rest of the universe |
| 11:59.16 | man_in_ltop | Coke, and you're saying that sort of thing means that our scientific theories are invalid |
| 11:59.36 | zyx386 | Coke, http://paste.debian.net/13649/ look this |
| 11:59.41 | Coke | man_in_ltop: we can only stipulate science on how we experience existance, true. this is why new, cutting edge theories defy our perception of the universe gravely and are notoriously difficult to understand, like quantum mechanics. |
| 11:59.45 | snikker | hi, what command i must use for insert a line like this "$Id: Makefile,v 1.0 2008/08/02 13:50:26 author_name Exp $" in a makefile? |
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| 12:00.02 | Coke | zyx386: only warnings, should be ok |
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| 12:00.18 | gad0 | ribnitz, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4/i386/bt-cd/debian-40r4etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso.torrent |
| 12:00.18 | man_in_ltop | Coke, so how can you complain that "living is the number one cause of dying" is unscientific? |
| 12:00.20 | gad0 | this one ? |
| 12:00.27 | zyx386 | Coke, thanx i restart the webserver and look if work :) |
| 12:00.27 | man_in_ltop | if it's the best we can do |
| 12:00.27 | ribnitz | snikker: thats inserted by CVS/SVN.. |
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| 12:00.29 | Coke | man_in_ltop: GEEEESH |
| 12:00.33 | Coke | man_in_ltop: it's not the best we can do |
| 12:00.37 | man_in_ltop | sure it is |
| 12:00.51 | Coke | man_in_ltop: I defy your theory and claim it's the earth. Now, what's your evidence that will remove the earth as a likely candidate of death? |
| 12:00.52 | man_in_ltop | especially as dying is defined as "not living anymore" |
| 12:00.52 | ribnitz | gad0: sounds right? |
| 12:01.06 | gad0 | ribnitz, yeah |
| 12:01.11 | man_in_ltop | Coke, send a bunch of amoeba in to space |
| 12:01.16 | gad0 | anyways thanks ribnitz pumpkin0 |
| 12:01.22 | pumpkin0 | gad0: you will need ntworking during installation. But it works with the same packages. |
| 12:01.28 | snikker | ribnitz: oh, ok... thank you |
| 12:01.29 | man_in_ltop | let them reproduce in space |
| 12:01.29 | Coke | man_in_ltop: they have to be born in space |
| 12:01.45 | man_in_ltop | say, around saturn or something |
| 12:01.56 | Coke | man_in_ltop: not being affected by the earths killing properties, whatever they are. otherwise you have a contaminated control group. |
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| 12:02.14 | man_in_ltop | Coke, then we would need to find alien lifeforms to kill |
| 12:02.22 | man_in_ltop | Coke, which is impractical |
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| 12:02.36 | zyx386 | Coke, don't work :( look her http://linwx.net/test.aspx |
| 12:02.58 | Coke | man_in_ltop: and humans put in stasis or that have cells that do not stop reproducing after X generations could grant immortality, this is in accordance with already existing science |
| 12:03.10 | Coke | zyx386: I'm don't know mono |
| 12:03.19 | zyx386 | ok |
| 12:03.24 | zyx386 | thanx very much |
| 12:03.30 | Coke | zyx386: I think most things microsoft don't work, so I'm the wrong person to ask :) |
| 12:04.34 | ribnitz | Coke: Some do work rather well; but they have the shortcomings of a closed system |
| 12:05.18 | Coke | Rienzilha: im sure they work for people who know it very well, I don't so to me it's just broken |
| 12:05.22 | Coke | damn completion |
| 12:05.37 | Coke | oh, ribnitz disconnected, that's why. |
| 12:08.41 | xingu | Coke: you could go all meta and ask at this point and ask for some precision in terms - to define what living and dying actually were; to the point at hand - if something cannot live, can it be dead? |
| 12:08.59 | Coke | xingu: bah, philosophy isn't science, hehe. |
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| 12:09.15 | Coke | xingu: but truly, his argument doesn't hold scientifically because scentifically you could live to the end of time |
| 12:09.37 | xingu | Coke: ... if you cannot die, are you alive? :) |
| 12:09.59 | Coke | They really should teach scientific methods in school rather than plowing through endless newtonian physics experiments and cutting up frogs. |
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| 12:10.34 | Coke | xingu: you can't determine that scientifically because being alive is a state, not a progress. |
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| 12:11.43 | xingu | Coke: hence the request for precision in terms; otherwise it's just all just a big subjectivist soup, a load of hand waving |
| 12:11.57 | Coke | xingu: being alive, scientifically, does not require you to be mortal and things that are dead does not require having lived. |
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| 12:12.38 | Coke | xingu: the terminology used are the scientific ones of course. |
| 12:12.39 | Coke | Having life, in opposition to dead; living; being in a state in which the organs perform their functions |
| 12:12.51 | Coke | (noting that things without organs can live too) |
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| 12:13.07 | xingu | Coke: right, so instantly we can exclude the non-organic from discussions about state transition :) |
| 12:13.13 | Coke | So, living or dead are oppositional states. |
| 12:13.28 | xingu | Coke: because we're talking about causes of death, which requires a transition from aliveness to the obverse |
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| 12:14.19 | Coke | xingu: yes. any way, read an obtopsy report on some old folk, it would be convenient for the cororner to write "cause of deat: life", but unfortunately, scientifically, that isn't the cause of death. |
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| 12:15.52 | xingu | Coke: actually there's still a reasonable percentage of folk who die from "melancholy" :) |
| 12:16.19 | Coke | xingu: to prove that life causes death one must remove all other known causes, like the fact that our body weakens do to more sparse reproduction of our cells. Keep them going and you might have an imortal. If the "imortal" mysteriously just dies anyway we're one step closer to proving that life causes death. |
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| 12:16.55 | Coke | xingu: melancholy? hehe. really? |
| 12:17.08 | xingu | Coke: yes; you'd be surprised at what my reading matter included. :) |
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| 12:17.36 | Coke | xingu: but really, it's like being "scared to death", it can happen, but the scientific term is most likely that the heart stopped when over exerting itself. |
| 12:18.05 | xingu | Coke: mmm; (general practice) medicine isn't known for its scientific rigor, either. :) |
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| 12:18.23 | xingu | Coke: a lot of it _does_ boil down to hand waving |
| 12:18.28 | Crissi | hello |
| 12:19.37 | xingu | Coke: still, the end product (annual cause of death data) does make for entertaining reading |
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| 12:19.52 | Coke | xingu: you can argue the competence of modern medicine, but the scientific method to conclude death is still the same scientific method used to reach any conclusion. |
| 12:20.15 | Crissi | someone with racoon knowlege? i have an problem with it. if i start it manually with 'racoon -F -f myconfigfile' all good and i see '2008-08-02 13:22:13: INFO: IPsec-SA established: ESP/Tunnel 192.168.2.21[500]->192.168.1.100[500] spi=2580576134(0x99d07786)' |
| 12:20.23 | xingu | Coke: it tends to lack rigor; once _an_ explanation is reached, they tend to stop looking |
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| 12:20.28 | Coke | xingu: and as always, humans err, even phd's, so there's bound to be hilarious material around |
| 12:20.32 | Crissi | but if i call that from a program i dont get this msg from stdout |
| 12:20.46 | Coke | xingu: indeed. they ignore the control groups, just like that man_on_ltop |
| 12:20.51 | xingu | Coke: ie, it's inductive rather than deductive |
| 12:21.08 | Coke | xingu: (not control groups, other causes) |
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| 12:21.54 | Coke | xand: to me it's so simple; if you have 5 different directions you can't just pick the first one out of convenience, you have to deduce the others first,like you said. |
| 12:22.13 | Coke | what is with my completion today? |
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| 12:24.36 | xingu | Coke: in addition you have to state your assumptions - why your search-set is as small as it is, in addition to any eliminations made from it |
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| 12:25.33 | xingu | Coke: but it's fun when people do it badly if you're as mischievous as I can be; you can tie them up in knots by asking about the things that they've clearly precluded or assumed without stating it; pull the pin and run away stuff. |
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| 12:25.42 | Coke | xingu: yes, in my example it was assumed that only these 5 could possibly have been the culprits |
| 12:26.52 | Coke | xingu: maybe students should be forced to read sherlock holmes novels before taking science class? :) |
| 12:27.29 | xingu | Coke: and I say this as someone who by necessity _has_ to do a whole bunch of inductive reasoning on a daily basis; I get paid to keep things running... |
| 12:27.36 | wols_ | Coke: computer users should too. but they wouldn't learn anything from it generally :( |
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| 12:28.58 | Coke | wols_: they'd know what deduction is and why Sherlock is able to without any doubt prove something and how it differs from how the unwitting (in the book it's Scotland Yard) make wrong assumptions. |
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| 12:29.49 | Coke | Now that I think about it, there never was a proper lesson in the basics of science, we just did the experiments like robots. |
| 12:29.55 | wols_ | Coke: no they wouldn't |
| 12:30.13 | Coke | wols_: ok. :) if not, they still get good reading |
| 12:30.24 | wols_ | they'd make some guesses whodunit (wrong ones) and then be more stumped than watson when sherlock explains it all |
| 12:30.41 | wols_ | "wow that conan doyle was *smart*" |
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| 12:30.52 | xingu | personally I think that people should read more lewis carroll :) |
| 12:31.26 | Coke | wols_: you're probably right. |
| 12:31.29 | pumpkin0 | Coke: schools don't work that way. They are paid to produce diploma, not thinking poeple. The US no-child-left-behind stuff is one of the most prominent examples. |
| 12:31.45 | zyx386 | anyone have info abpout mono +aspx on debian server!? |
| 12:32.08 | Coke | pumpkin0: it's the same in europe. I think that's why the Chinese and Indians are starting to outperform us in academic work. |
| 12:32.53 | pumpkin0 | Coke: i work for a U in germany: yes we are losing grund fast too. |
| 12:33.03 | Coke | pumpkin0: different goals; our schools have the goal of getting everybody through it, their schools have the goal of separating the ones who can get through it and those who can't. |
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| 12:35.59 | Coke | pumpkin0: I was a teaching "advanced java" to people and wanted to fail like 90%, the head master asked for my rational. "they can still only solve problems that we've already done, they can't program and this is the advanced course", but 100% had to pass. |
| 12:36.32 | tabakhase | Hi, is there a way to fill my pastebin from a script? |
| 12:36.55 | Coke | tabakhase: a pastebin on an online site? |
| 12:37.10 | tabakhase | no, the "rightclick, paste" |
| 12:37.23 | Coke | tabakhase: clipboard? |
| 12:37.30 | tabakhase | exacly |
| 12:37.50 | pumpkin0 | Coke: we have about 35% failture rate at: (1/2) + (3/4) . These people are going for bachelors. |
| 12:37.51 | Coke | tabakhase: not without doing some programming |
| 12:38.16 | tabakhase | Coke: maybe there is one who programmed it before? |
| 12:38.28 | Coke | tabakhase: it doesn't seem very useful. :) |
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| 12:38.40 | Coke | tabakhase: normally you paste what you have previously copied. |
| 12:38.54 | tabakhase | Hm, is there another way to tell ssh the password? |
| 12:39.01 | Coke | tabakhase: ssh-agent |
| 12:39.16 | Coke | tabakhase: it's a server that can permanently or temporarily store ssh passwords |
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| 12:41.02 | apogeexl | hello |
| 12:41.14 | tabakhase | ist just about keyfiles i think, i want normal password like "shh -l ... server < passwort |
| 12:41.27 | apogeexl | Im stuck with installation and could REALLY use some help please |
| 12:41.41 | Coke | tabakhase: ssh-agent works for me doing just that |
| 12:41.45 | enouf | tabakhase: are you looking for something like pastebinit? |
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| 12:42.19 | Coke | enouf: no, he wants to pass a password to ssh |
| 12:42.31 | apogeexl | I did the pckg install ,and after that installer asked me where to install boot loader |
| 12:42.41 | tabakhase | enouf: no manual =( |
| 12:42.43 | enouf | well, his question makes no implication of such |
| 12:42.57 | Coke | enouf: he meant "clipboard", not pastebin |
| 12:43.02 | apogeexl | i didnt wanted to install it on my hard drive [used a USB DRIVE] |
| 12:43.04 | enouf | i see ..ok |
| 12:43.28 | wols_ | apogeexl: can you boot from USB? |
| 12:43.30 | Coke | I suggested ssh-agent which I think will work fine, but I've only used it for storing password protected keys |
| 12:43.57 | wols_ | tabakhase: public key auth |
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| 12:43.58 | apogeexl | wols , installation inst finished yet ,not attempteed booting yet |
| 12:44.17 | apogeexl | wols ,im stll in installation menus |
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| 12:44.30 | apogeexl | need to install LILO ro GRUB |
| 12:44.34 | wols_ | apogeexl: that's not what I asked. can your mainboard boot from usb? |
| 12:44.40 | tabakhase | wols_: only password |
| 12:44.43 | Coke | apogeexl: grub. |
| 12:44.48 | apogeexl | wols ,YES,it can |
| 12:44.59 | wols_ | then install it to your usb stick |
| 12:45.22 | apogeexl | wols its alerady installed on my USB DISC |
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| 12:45.34 | wols_ | so what's the problem? |
| 12:45.36 | apogeexl | i need to put grub on it |
| 12:45.46 | Coke | apogeexl: he just told you to install grub on the usb |
| 12:45.52 | wols_ | yes! install. grub. to. your. usb. device |
| 12:46.09 | apogeexl | Coke HOW do i do this? please? |
| 12:46.27 | Coke | apogeexl: choose to install grub on the mbr of your usb disk |
| 12:46.30 | wols_ | the nromal way you install grub anywhere else |
| 12:46.34 | apogeexl | Im int eh menu of choices fro installation right now |
| 12:46.37 | enouf | tabakhase: no sure this applies either, but http://expect.nist.gov/ (doesn't mention ssh) |
| 12:46.43 | apogeexl | trying but i cannot do this |
| 12:46.51 | Coke | apogeexl: why? |
| 12:46.52 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 12:46.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 12:47.00 | apogeexl | wols i dont know how |
| 12:47.07 | wols_ | !ig |
| 12:47.07 | dpkg | I heard "ig" is Installation Guide...see http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual for Etch 4.0r4 stable, or http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/installmanual for now oldstable Sarge (3.1). Lenny is Testing! |
| 12:47.09 | wols_ | read that then |
| 12:47.12 | Coke | apogeexl: you use your arrow keys and "enter" to navigate through the menu |
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| 12:47.33 | apogeexl | Coke i tried that sometimes already |
| 12:47.37 | enouf | ugh, tcl/tk only? hrm |
| 12:47.43 | Coke | apogeexl: and the cursor doesn't move? nothing happens? |
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| 12:48.04 | wols_ | apogeexl: what do you see? what are you actually doing? |
| 12:48.06 | spacix | Anyone in here experienced at using leaseweb.com dedicated servers? |
| 12:48.10 | apogeexl | and when im trying installed grub it says ,to partition discs |
| 12:48.16 | wols_ | spacix: how is this debian related? |
| 12:48.24 | Coke | apogeexl: that's the problem, you didn't do the install properly. |
| 12:48.25 | apogeexl | im in the menu of choices |
| 12:48.36 | cr3rzemjest | what's the package name for g++ documentation?!? I've searched the aptitude with |
| 12:48.37 | apogeexl | anbd selecting iunstyall GRUYB LOADER |
| 12:48.39 | cr3rzemjest | oops |
| 12:48.40 | Coke | apogeexl: restart the installation and redo the install and this time don't forget to partition the usb disk |
| 12:48.42 | spacix | wols_: dunno |
| 12:48.51 | tabakhase | xclip =) |
| 12:48.53 | wols_ | cr3rzemjest: it's in non-free or contrib. gcc-doc |
| 12:48.58 | apogeexl | but then it tells me an additional step is required ,to partition discs |
| 12:49.00 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: add contrib and non-free |
| 12:49.04 | Coke | apogeexl: restart the installation and redo the install and this time don't forget to partition the usb disk |
| 12:49.29 | spacix | is 512 mb ram too less for a php webserver? |
| 12:49.35 | apogeexl | Coke i didnt forgotten anything |
| 12:49.41 | Coke | apogeexl: yes you have |
| 12:49.47 | Coke | apogeexl: you did not partition your usb disk |
| 12:49.55 | apogeexl | unless you canb instyall software inb anon partitioned drive ...well CAN U? |
| 12:49.55 | pumpkin0 | spacix: usually no. |
| 12:50.05 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: the meta pkg in in contrib (gcc-doc), but the versions (gcc-doc-4.1, etc) are in non-free |
| 12:50.11 | wols_ | apogeexl: depends what you serve |
| 12:50.22 | Coke | apogeexl: you have to partition and write filesystems to your disk, that's the way it is |
| 12:50.33 | pumpkin0 | spacix: i run one on 32MB RAM. But it only does light stuff. |
| 12:50.39 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, thx |
| 12:50.53 | apogeexl | COKE and Wols :PLEASE read this ALL the packages are INSTALLED in the USB drive |
| 12:50.59 | cr3rzemjest | i've installed gcc-4.3-doc but 'man g++' gave no result but now i install gcc-doc |
| 12:51.01 | Coke | pumpkin0: what's the matter with you university people? it's either two decades old hw or the latest beast of wonders. :) |
| 12:51.02 | spacix | pumpkin0: ok |
| 12:51.07 | wols_ | spacix: next time ask debian support questions |
| 12:51.14 | Coke | apogeexl: impossible. it cannot install on an unpartitioned drive |
| 12:51.22 | spacix | wols_: ok |
| 12:51.26 | spacix | wols_: sry |
| 12:51.34 | pumpkin0 | Coke: that one is ... fairly new. It's a NSLU2 doing my backups... |
| 12:51.35 | wols_ | Coke: they buy the latest beast of miracles and then it has to last 3 decades, public funding as it is |
| 12:51.42 | apogeexl | excuse my caps COKE THE DRIVE IS FRERAKING PARTITIONED |
| 12:51.43 | Coke | apogeexl: make 100% sure that you partitioned and installed the packages on the USB drive |
| 12:51.55 | wols_ | puts apogeexl on ignore |
| 12:52.11 | Coke | apogeexl: ok, press ctrl-alt-f2, get a new terminal |
| 12:52.23 | apogeexl | Did that |
| 12:52.32 | apogeexl | im in terminal now |
| 12:52.48 | Coke | apogeexl: what drive is your usb registered as? sda? |
| 12:53.02 | apogeexl | I think its sdb |
| 12:53.09 | apogeexl | is there a way to list devices? |
| 12:53.09 | Coke | apogeexl: fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 12:53.28 | Coke | apogeexl: running dmesg will give you lots of output from the kernel, including where the usb drive ended up |
| 12:53.57 | apogeexl | it is sdb |
| 12:54.01 | Coke | apogeexl: fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 12:54.10 | apogeexl | and im in the fdisk now |
| 12:54.15 | Coke | apogeexl: p |
| 12:54.24 | apogeexl | lol |
| 12:54.58 | Coke | apogeexl: if you're done lol'ing, type p <enter> |
| 12:54.58 | apogeexl | i have rrun the /fdisk sdb command |
| 12:55.14 | apogeexl | type it , |
| 12:55.19 | apogeexl | typed it ... |
| 12:55.25 | Coke | you should have a list of paritions |
| 12:55.27 | apogeexl | lists 3 p[artitions |
| 12:55.42 | Coke | apogeexl: under System, one should have Linux |
| 12:55.51 | Coke | another should have "Linux Swap" |
| 12:55.55 | apogeexl | 1 type 83 , 1 type 5 ,1 type 82 [swap] |
| 12:56.10 | apogeexl | yes ,its there the swap partition |
| 12:56.25 | Coke | apogeexl: and the linux partition too? |
| 12:56.36 | apogeexl | Coke yes, |
| 12:56.52 | Coke | apogeexl: ok, press "q" enter |
| 12:56.52 | apogeexl | its there one type 83 |
| 12:57.16 | apogeexl | as u saw ,i had DONE the partitioning ....right? |
| 12:57.24 | Coke | apogeexl: then after quiting fdisk, do mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 12:57.36 | pumpkin0 | Coke: sdb |
| 12:57.38 | Coke | apogeexl: yes, now let's see if you have files on it. |
| 12:57.39 | Coke | yeah, sdb |
| 12:57.47 | Coke | (i'm on sda here myself) |
| 12:58.20 | Coke | after mounting, just do ls /mnt |
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| 12:58.42 | enouf | what is with you people and exteneded partitioning? |
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| 12:59.04 | enouf | on a usb key no less |
| 12:59.14 | apogeexl | cant find /dev/sdb1/ in /etc/fstab |
| 12:59.27 | apogeexl | thast the errror msssg |
| 12:59.47 | wols_ | enouf: logical partitions are endless in number. primaries aren't |
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| 13:00.10 | pumpkin0 | did someone already check if he is installing from the USB-stick to the same USB-stick ...? |
| 13:00.11 | enouf | wols_: not entirely true, but true enough - still - it's silly |
| 13:00.22 | Coke | apogeexl: no slash at the end |
| 13:00.28 | Coke | it thinks you want a directory |
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| 13:00.34 | Coke | you have to do exactly what I type |
| 13:00.39 | lrp | hello everyone |
| 13:00.43 | enouf | wols_: especially on a 4GB or whatever sized device |
| 13:00.43 | apogeexl | used mount /dev/sdb1/mnt |
| 13:00.50 | pumpkin0 | apogeexl: type "mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt". |
| 13:00.55 | Coke | apogeexl: read my command AGAIN |
| 13:01.01 | apogeexl | ok |
| 13:01.09 | Coke | apogeexl: I notice you are sketchy as hell on the .,! and spaces, I'm not, I type exactly what I mean |
| 13:01.17 | Coke | (often) |
| 13:01.34 | Coke | too bad there's no copy/paste in the ncurses interface |
| 13:01.41 | lrp | the correct command to download only stable and updates from debian server using rsync is rsync -vr debian.org/debian ??? |
| 13:01.54 | wols_ | lrp: why rsync? |
| 13:01.58 | Coke | enouf: what else should be used then? |
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| 13:02.15 | enouf | 4 primaries |
| 13:02.22 | enouf | or less |
| 13:02.24 | Coke | enouf: that's what we're using. at least I am. |
| 13:02.26 | lrp | because thats what a friend of mine told me to use |
| 13:02.31 | wols_ | Coke: why don't you start at the beginning with grub-install? |
| 13:02.34 | Coke | enouf: if we used extended I think they would start at 5? |
| 13:02.36 | apogeexl | okie mounted now |
| 13:02.44 | wouterrr | hello. i use exim4, i want to deny messages with the subject :o) in acl_check_data, could someone care to give an example? |
| 13:02.51 | Coke | apogeexl: ls -l /mnt |
| 13:03.13 | Coke | apogeexl: if it has a filesystem with stuff in it you have probably installed the packages correctly on that partition |
| 13:03.23 | enouf | Coke: --> " 1 type 83 , 1 type 5 ,1 type 82 [swap]" |
| 13:03.30 | apogeexl | listed the contents of it |
| 13:03.44 | Coke | apogeexl: do you have /bin, /lib/ /usr, /etc ? |
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| 13:04.02 | apogeexl | yes Coke ,I have those |
| 13:04.13 | Coke | enouf: yeh, I have a regular sda1, sda2, sda3 in primaries |
| 13:04.33 | Coke | apogeexl: ok. then it must be the grub installer that is trying an incorrect device?! |
| 13:04.53 | Coke | apogeexl: did you choose the right device to install grub on? did you select MBR? |
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| 13:05.09 | apogeexl | Coke is there a command to install the GRUB to the mbr of sdb ? |
| 13:05.17 | Coke | apogeexl: in the menu |
| 13:05.31 | apogeexl | it doesnt works |
| 13:05.37 | Coke | apogeexl: last time I tried the installer it asked for a device to put grub on and then how to install it |
| 13:05.40 | apogeexl | it prompts me to re partition the drive |
| 13:05.45 | Coke | apogeexl: of course it doesn't work, it's not with the union |
| 13:05.51 | apogeexl | lol |
| 13:05.53 | apogeexl | :) |
| 13:06.02 | Coke | apogeexl: but enough about who's working and who's not, let's get back to your problem |
| 13:06.12 | apogeexl | okie |
| 13:06.27 | Coke | apogeexl: so, when you select "install grub" you get an error message saying you need to partition the device? |
| 13:06.35 | apogeexl | yes |
| 13:06.36 | Coke | apogeexl: did you get to select a device for your grub install? |
| 13:07.01 | apogeexl | it says one more step need to pefromed [partitioning] |
| 13:07.15 | apogeexl | prior GRUB instyallation |
| 13:07.15 | Coke | apogeexl: go into partitioning and ok the device then |
| 13:07.52 | Coke | apogeexl: 1) try selecting a grub device, if no such alternative 2) go back and ok the paritions |
| 13:08.02 | Coke | although that shouldn't be a necessary step |
| 13:09.44 | apogeexl | if i leaver the partitioning step it will format the partitions |
| 13:10.15 | Coke | apogeexl: that's optional. |
| 13:10.20 | apogeexl | there must be way to do this using the consoole |
| 13:10.36 | apogeexl | coke not its not optional ,or system it present itr this way to me |
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| 13:12.33 | apogeexl | I need to ask one question |
| 13:12.44 | Coke | apogeexl: grub-install, if available |
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| 13:13.21 | apogeexl | Coke whats the syntax of it ? |
| 13:13.32 | Coke | apogeexl: try formatting and reinstalling packages again, might work |
| 13:13.35 | Coke | apogeexl: grub-install |
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| 13:13.55 | apogeexl | im in conlose now : grub-install didnt worked |
| 13:14.09 | wols_ | !doesn't work |
| 13:14.10 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 13:14.11 | MK121 | Can anyone help me with how the rotation of logs works on Linux ?? |
| 13:14.18 | wols_ | !anyone |
| 13:14.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
| 13:14.27 | wols_ | MK121: /etc/logrotate* |
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| 13:15.20 | enouf | looks like the "write to disk" hasn't yet occured - but apogeexl, here's how to do it in the grub shell http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
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| 13:15.42 | Coke | enouf: ooh. pretty serious problem |
| 13:15.44 | MK121 | Ive noticed that I have 2 options. Include the log into syslog.conf and have it rotated or set it in logrotate and have it rotated. But for when you rotate logs with syslog how do you set the size etc. |
| 13:16.05 | enouf | or, the usb boot is floppy emulation only, and grub doesn't see it as a BIOS drive or some crap |
| 13:16.19 | apogeexl | coke trying to boot in rescue mode |
| 13:16.39 | MK121 | anyone know |
| 13:16.49 | enouf | that's another option |
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| 13:18.41 | MK121 | also my local file which is in my logrotate is being rotated at some time which is set my anacron |
| 13:19.03 | MK121 | Im really confused |
| 13:20.01 | pumpkin0 | how do i disable the BEEP from xterm ...? |
| 13:20.18 | apogeexl | please help with brub-install syntax? |
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| 13:21.10 | mrtaa | linux can use blowfish enscription for user password ? |
| 13:21.44 | MK121 | HTTP://FIR3NET.com |
| 13:21.59 | MK121 | Firewalls, proxies, unix, linux , downloads etc etc |
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| 13:22.08 | apogeexl | Coke ,it does grub install right now at .dev/sdb1 |
| 13:22.23 | MK121 | HTTP://FIR3NET.com |
| 13:22.31 | Igneous | fail. |
| 13:22.39 | doxtor | pumpkin0: xset b off |
| 13:22.48 | apogeexl | coke r u still here? |
| 13:23.17 | pumpkin0 | doxtor: thanks. |
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| 13:44.35 | s0| | is anyone here using a 3ware card? someone w/ experince with the 9650SE family would be a bouns |
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| 13:49.18 | jescis | I downloaded moc(music on console) and got a fatal error :( Is moc and moc-ffmpeg-plugin the only packages I needed? because the fatal error said something about a server of some sort :/ |
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| 13:51.48 | Pratchett | is there a network install cd for Lenny? |
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| 13:52.20 | slept | hi i am having an issue with rtl8139 chipset , it works extremely bad (slow) with lots of droped packages . The strange part is that rtl8139-diag tells me it is working in half duplex and ethtool tells me that it is working in full duplex . Any ideas ? |
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| 13:52.49 | wols_ | there are two 8139 drivers. try the other one perhaps |
| 13:52.49 | slept | Pratchett, yes |
| 13:53.18 | wols_ | Pratchett: use etc |
| 13:53.26 | wols_ | h for the installer and upgrade |
| 13:56.30 | slept | well dmesg tells me 8139cp 0000:0a:07.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+ compatible chip 8139cp 0000:0a:07.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead. |
| 13:56.41 | slept | so i am stuck with 8139too |
| 13:59.26 | slept | but when i insert the 8139 module in advance it accepts 8139cp eventough it doesn't work ... |
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| 14:00.06 | zorrolero | slept: maybe try "mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD eth0" or "mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD eth0" |
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| 14:00.34 | zorrolero | slept: maybe try "mii-tool -A 100baseTx-FD eth0" or "mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD eth0" |
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| 14:04.20 | slept | zorrolero, doesn't change anything |
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| 14:06.20 | gad0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.25 | slept | when i was googleing for the problem I found some bsd howto and the datasheet of the chipset which make me think that the card is in some powersaving mode which causes it to switch to hd . How to find out about the power state ? |
| 14:06.29 | gad0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.32 | ravenbird | ...but repos added to sources.list is already something else... |
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| 14:07.58 | zorrolero | slept: ok, you could test the debian-based live-distri knoppix and check the modules it loads for your nic (dmesg) and if it works there.) |
| 14:08.04 | wols_ | gad0: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 14:08.12 | wols_ | and read the topic about keyrings/keys |
| 14:08.15 | zorrolero | slept: is your system a dual-boot-pc? |
| 14:08.38 | slept | zorrolero, once upon a time it was |
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| 14:09.00 | slept | i don't think knoppix will do anything differnet |
| 14:09.26 | slept | the problem is half duplex and lots of droped rx packages ... |
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| 14:10.01 | infernix | just out of curiosity - how many times a day are people restarting (kill -9) iceweasel, whether v2.x or v3.x? or am I the only one who has to do that 4-5 times a day? |
| 14:10.04 | zorrolero | slept: hrmm, it could also be an autonegotiation-issue.( |
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| 14:10.27 | wols_ | slept: if it's power, power off PC completely and turn on again (including removing the plug) |
| 14:10.28 | slept | i switched it off didn't help |
| 14:11.02 | infernix | s0|: i have a lot of 9650s in boxes, what's up |
| 14:11.08 | slept | wols_, the problem exists for more than 5 kernel versions so i have had many power up and downs .... |
| 14:11.26 | wols_ | then it's no power issue |
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| 14:12.45 | slept | well the bsd page ( i know this is not bsd) states that some bioses can't reset the powerstate of the card when dual booting |
| 14:13.30 | infernix | so, am I the only one here for which iceweasel crashes or hangs multiple times a day? even with noscript and flashblock? |
| 14:13.48 | slept | same here :D |
| 14:14.18 | slept | but since it's completely random I can't write a bug report |
| 14:14.45 | zorrolero | slept: yep, thats what i thought, but your pc is no dual-boot.( |
| 14:14.53 | slept | it was |
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| 14:15.42 | zorrolero | slept: maybe you should open your system's cage and remove the battery of the mb, after unplugging the ac. |
| 14:15.50 | slept | zorrolero, but there must be a way to properly reset the powerstate in linux aswell |
| 14:15.58 | slept | zorrolero, it's a laptop |
| 14:16.08 | zorrolero | slept: uh, ok.) |
| 14:16.14 | slept | i opend it once it was sth link 2h |
| 14:16.27 | slept | was worth it for cleaning the fan |
| 14:16.37 | slept | but i wouldn't want to do it ever again |
| 14:16.45 | zorrolero | hehe |
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| 14:17.53 | khaleel5000 | hello, i am using lenny , i want to know which video driver is currently being used, my xorg is here http://rafb.net/p/YzaGKr17.html |
| 14:17.57 | zorrolero | slept: did you try to disable/boot/reenable the nic in your bios? |
| 14:18.02 | khaleel5000 | how do I know whcih drivers are being used? |
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| 14:19.46 | slept | zorrolero, you can't chang it there .... |
| 14:19.52 | slept | it's a shitty bios |
| 14:20.11 | slept | eventough it's lenovo which i expected to be quite good |
| 14:20.33 | zorrolero | slept: uh, perhaps there is a newer, better bios-version available? |
| 14:20.40 | slept | no |
| 14:20.44 | slept | i checked for that |
| 14:20.50 | zorrolero | argh.) |
| 14:20.54 | slept | yes |
| 14:21.27 | slept | 150kb/s for recieving is quite ironic when you have 30Mbit dsl |
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| 14:22.32 | zorrolero | slept: hehe, maybe playing with some ethtool-wol-states could help... |
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| 14:25.30 | zorrolero | slept: if you have a knoppix-cd i would give it a try...else i don't have any more ideas atm, sorry. |
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| 14:26.42 | curtmack | I installed sun-java6-plugin, but Firefox still doesn't recognize Java applets. Is there something else I need to do? |
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| 14:27.08 | slept | zorrolero, thanks |
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| 14:36.18 | DawnLight | how do i know which module is loaded for a certain pci device? |
| 14:36.32 | ubunturos | apt-cache searches from a list, available locally? (or remotely from a web server)? |
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| 14:36.41 | ubunturos | and does, apt-get update the list? |
| 14:36.56 | cahoot | lspci -v should say what module |
| 14:36.56 | ubunturos | (if read from a local disk) |
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| 14:38.00 | curtmack | ubunturos: in that order, yes, and run "apt-get update" to update the list |
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| 14:39.04 | ubunturos | curtmack: so, apt-cache does search from a local list (file?), huh? |
| 14:39.23 | curtmack | yes |
| 14:39.35 | ubunturos | curtmack: hmm, thanks. |
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| 14:40.55 | slept | modinfo tells me for 8139too parm: full_duplex:8139too: Force full duplex for board(s) (1) (array of int) parm: media:8139too: Bits 4+9: force full duplex, bit 5: 100Mbps (array of int) |
| 14:41.03 | slept | how would I set those ? |
| 14:41.24 | slept | since i can't get it to do full duplex otherwise |
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| 14:42.57 | darkavenger | hi |
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| 14:46.37 | unixSnob | who knows the proper name for a package that contains agpgart? |
| 14:47.15 | segfault2k | hi, i have a question, how can i create (with a wizard if its possible) a decent xorg.conf file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and with that conf, i cant run compiz, the conf: http://rafb.net/p/vIJxaC39.html |
| 14:47.31 | unixSnob | anyone get the xserver-xorg-video-intel package installed successfully? it seems to be missing dependancies in etch |
| 14:47.47 | curtmack | unixSnob: linux-headers |
| 14:47.52 | curtmack | and then after that the version of your kernel |
| 14:48.05 | curtmack | it's also provided by the kernel package itself, but I assume you already have that installed. |
| 14:48.30 | zorrolero | slept: mii-tool -F 100baseTx-FD eth0 |
| 14:48.34 | unixSnob | i thought I already had linux-headers curtmack.. but i'll check |
| 14:49.01 | unixSnob | 2.6.18-6-amd64 <= my current kernel version |
| 14:49.13 | curtmack | yeah, should be fine then... not sure what to say |
| 14:49.22 | slept | zorrolero, i tried it doesn't chang anything ... or at least not for speed or the output of rtl8139-diag |
| 14:49.32 | curtmack | libklibc-dev is the only other package showing up |
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| 14:49.40 | DynV | is there a GUI client for SSH ? |
| 14:50.00 | segfault2k | nautilus handles it |
| 14:50.01 | ubunturos | DynV: konqueror may help |
| 14:50.02 | segfault2k | konqueror too |
| 14:50.14 | ubunturos | fish:// protocol, if I'm not wrong |
| 14:50.15 | segfault2k | with konqueror: fish://user:pass@server |
| 14:50.33 | DynV | segfault2k: I got nautilus, how do I connect iwth it ? |
| 14:50.40 | maligor | there's putty too |
| 14:50.44 | segfault2k | Places -> Connect with server |
| 14:51.06 | maligor | which for some god forsaken reason uses gtk 1.2 |
| 14:51.07 | DynV | segfault2k: thanks :) |
| 14:51.08 | curtmack | TO server, as it were |
| 14:51.10 | segfault2k | bitte |
| 14:51.10 | curtmack | but yeah |
| 14:51.20 | segfault2k | curtmack i have gnome in spanish |
| 14:51.26 | curtmack | ah, okay |
| 14:51.42 | zorrolero | slept: what does "mii-tool -v eth0" say after setting it? maybe this rtl8139-diag is crazy?!? ,) |
| 14:52.03 | curtmack | that's common with a lot of non-English languages... I know in Japanese you talk "with" someone, not "to" them |
| 14:52.10 | curtmack | although ironically the Japanese word for with is "to" |
| 14:52.26 | segfault2k | how can i create (with a wizard if its possible) a decent xorg.conf file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", and with that conf, i cant run compiz, the conf: http://rafb.net/p/vIJxaC39.html |
| 14:52.27 | segfault2k | curtmack lol |
| 14:52.34 | unixSnob | curtmack: looks like i did not have linux-headers.. installing them now. What I'm not sure about is what they will do for me. Are you saying i'll need to recompile my kernel? |
| 14:52.59 | curtmack | No, you won't. You were asking what package contained agpgart. |
| 14:53.38 | zorrolero | slept: you're from germany, do you really watch rtl in the tv? ;) |
| 14:54.01 | slept | no ... not to much into tv |
| 14:54.10 | slept | i hate comercials |
| 14:54.16 | segfault2k | lol |
| 14:54.18 | zorrolero | slept: good, me too.) |
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| 14:54.37 | curtmack | My mom swears that in our area (midwestern US) the companies have organized to put all their commercials at the same time |
| 14:54.58 | curtmack | knowing my mom I've decided not to argue that that would be impossible since different networks have different commercial frequencies |
| 14:54.59 | slept | wouldn't be surprised |
| 14:55.10 | curtmack | and they wouldn't all change just on a whim |
| 14:55.21 | DynV | in nautilus, how do I edit the server list ? |
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| 14:55.41 | segfault2k | here in chile, in radio stations, they have commercial at the same time |
| 14:55.43 | segfault2k | lol xD |
| 14:55.48 | slept | zorrolero, mii-tool says eth0: 100 Mbit, full duplex so far it should be ok |
| 14:55.49 | pumpkin0 | curtmack: in germany 3 big comperations basicly own TV. And they do syncronise... |
| 14:56.09 | zorrolero | slept: do you have another switch/router where you can plug your nic in and test its behaviour with mii-tool? |
| 14:56.09 | unixSnob | is unsure how to get agpgart from linux-headers |
| 14:56.20 | zorrolero | slept: ok, rtl sucks.) |
| 14:56.30 | DynV | segfault2k: in nautilus, how do I edit the server list ? |
| 14:56.31 | curtmack | /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-amd64/include/linux/agpgart.h |
| 14:56.34 | slept | both tv and nic |
| 14:56.49 | segfault2k | DynV dunno |
| 14:56.51 | curtmack | unless I'm misunderstanding what you're trying to do |
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| 14:57.40 | unixSnob | curtmack: i need the agpgart module.. it was never installed. So the header alone won't be enough |
| 14:57.50 | curtmack | oh. That's weird. |
| 14:58.18 | segfault2k | recompile the kernel? |
| 14:58.32 | unixSnob | curtmack: when I run find on /lib/modules`uname -r`, agpgart does not exist |
| 14:58.52 | segfault2k | is away: (reboot X) [BX-MsgLog On] |
| 14:59.12 | unixSnob | segfault2k: well, i suppose i could recompile, but i expect taht to bring me back to where i am |
| 14:59.14 | curtmack | hang on, I think I know why |
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| 14:59.47 | curtmack | according to dpkg, agpgart.ko does not exist for any AMD64 architecture in either stable or testing |
| 14:59.53 | curtmack | possibly a compatibility issue... |
| 15:00.15 | curtmack | not sure what to say then |
| 15:00.16 | unixSnob | damn.. that's a pisser. So i can't drive my intel GM965 video card |
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| 15:00.56 | unixSnob | perhaps this is why my thinkpad came with a 32-bit version of suse |
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| 15:01.04 | unixSnob | (when it's a core2 duo) |
| 15:03.10 | unixSnob | curtmack: how did you know so quickly that agpgart.ko wasn't in any amd64 distro? |
| 15:03.26 | unixSnob | i think it would have taken me hours to figure that out |
| 15:03.40 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: wait a sec.: you want to use the intel i915 driver in AMD64. And then what happens ? |
| 15:04.20 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: i get => (EE) GARTInit: Unable to open /dev/agpgart (No such file or directory) |
| 15:04.30 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: how did you install the driver ? |
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| 15:05.14 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: i ran aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel to acquire teh drivers |
| 15:05.40 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: then I ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, and selected "intel" for the driver |
| 15:06.12 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: it seems the wrong driver was installed to begin with (i810) |
| 15:06.58 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: and you changed the xorg to i910 ? |
| 15:07.01 | unixSnob | however, even though the i810 was installed and available, only the VESA was configured |
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| 15:07.31 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: not sure what you mean buy changed the xorg to i910 |
| 15:07.42 | newsense | add intel to your xorg.conf manually |
| 15:07.50 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: which driver does your xorg.conf now load ? |
| 15:07.51 | unixSnob | newsense: i tried that too |
| 15:08.02 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: vesa |
| 15:08.39 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: Did you try replacing i810 with i915 ? |
| 15:08.42 | unixSnob | I also tried not using dpkg-reconfigure, and simply substituted vesa with 'intel' for the device |
| 15:09.25 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: i810 is just a choice in the list of drivers. i tried the i810 as a test, and it failed too. i915 is not a choice |
| 15:09.33 | unixSnob | but "intel" is a choice |
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| 15:09.59 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: can you put your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf into a pastebin ? |
| 15:10.01 | cahoot | the correct choice for present xorg |
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| 15:11.33 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: working on it |
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| 15:12.51 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: this is the log => http://rafb.net/p/xjr3SS94.html |
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| 15:14.02 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: that looks like the vesa-driver ... use the "intel" driver. |
| 15:14.21 | unixSnob | ah.. hold on.. gotta do that mid-stream |
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| 15:16.17 | Akuw | i need an application to edit mp3 files |
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| 15:17.15 | stew | Akuw: audacity if you want a gui, sox if you want cli |
| 15:17.58 | unixSnob_ | pumpkin0: i killed gdm and it's still up.. what else can i kill? |
| 15:18.12 | slept | Akuw, apt-cache search mp3 edit gives you areasonable list for all puposes |
| 15:18.45 | Akuw | i already install audacity |
| 15:18.46 | Akuw | thanks |
| 15:18.47 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob_: ctrl-alt-F7 => ctrl-alt-backspace |
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| 15:19.53 | unixSnob_ | pumpkin0: interesting.. it wiped out the screen and gave a cursor, but no prompt |
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| 15:20.23 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob_: that was the Xserver failing to restart. Now get the log. |
| 15:20.34 | unixSnob_ | pumpkin0: should i just run startx in another terminal? |
| 15:20.39 | unixSnob_ | ah, ok |
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| 15:21.53 | Akuw | There was an error initializing the audio i/o layer. You will no be able to play or record audio |
| 15:22.09 | aiori | where can i get the zdaemon repository? |
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| 15:22.33 | Akuw | in preferences i can't select device |
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| 15:22.40 | stew | Akuw: /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 15:23.07 | aiori | where can i get the zdaemon repository? |
| 15:23.15 | unixSnob_ | pumpkin0: the log still has VESA stuff (i switched to the intel driver) |
| 15:23.23 | slept | pumpkin0, sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg might be a good point to start with ( it will reconfigure everything than select intel and you should be good ) |
| 15:23.25 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob_: OK, restart gdm. |
| 15:23.34 | slept | oh sorry wrong guy |
| 15:23.35 | unixSnob_ | startx in another terminal? |
| 15:23.42 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob_: yes |
| 15:23.57 | Akuw | but my xmms works fine |
| 15:24.01 | Akuw | youtube too |
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| 15:24.05 | cusco | hey.. anybody here running a squid proxy? how do you allow IRC trough it? |
| 15:24.09 | cusco | log shows: 1217690121.183 0 192.168.0.2 TCP_DENIED/403 1394 CONNECT irc.ptnet.org:6667 - NONE/- text/html |
| 15:24.10 | aiori | where can i get the zdaemon repository? |
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| 15:24.13 | pumpkin0 | slept: i want to see the log and config. Failing with AGP-not-found is ... odd. |
| 15:24.33 | cusco | does lspci lists that card? |
| 15:24.49 | pumpkin0 | Akuw: can you use 2 audiosources at the same time? Maybe there is another process blocking it. |
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| 15:25.36 | Akuw | humm |
| 15:26.07 | slept | pumpkin0, well yes didn't see that error in the log |
| 15:26.46 | cahoot | is audacity still defaulting to /dev/dsp? |
| 15:26.49 | pumpkin0 | slept: the log he posted was from VESA. VESA should not even know about AGP. |
| 15:27.00 | Akuw | ok, now i can work |
| 15:27.05 | Akuw | i had xmms runing |
| 15:27.08 | slept | unixSnob_, pumpkin0, i'd say lmod |grep agp than agp_intel should show up |
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| 15:31.32 | unixSnob | http://rafb.net/p/s7cxsX27.html <= new log |
| 15:32.15 | unixSnob | line 564 is the relevant error |
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| 15:32.57 | Akuw | where can i get libmp3lame.so ? |
| 15:33.08 | unixSnob | and according to curtmack, agpgart won't work in amd64 |
| 15:33.20 | unixSnob | so agpgart was excluded from the distro |
| 15:33.40 | slept | unixSnob, locate agpart |
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| 15:34.20 | slept | unixSnob, or just modprobe agpart |
| 15:34.22 | unixSnob | slept: i get: /usr/include/linux/agpgart.h |
| 15:34.37 | slept | so it's included |
| 15:34.40 | unixSnob | FATAL: Module agpgart not found. |
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| 15:34.49 | slept | oh |
| 15:34.53 | unixSnob | that's when I modprobe |
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| 15:35.22 | slept | should be in /lib/module/.... |
| 15:35.32 | unixSnob | i also ran a find on /lib/module, and no such file |
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| 15:36.01 | unixSnob | curtmack said it's gone from the amd64 versions.. even the test versions |
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| 15:36.49 | slept | unixSnob, ok strange |
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| 15:37.22 | unixSnob | so to fully drive my video card, i need to run a 32bit linux kernel, it seems |
| 15:37.58 | unixSnob | too bad vesa doesn't get higher than 1280x1024 |
| 15:38.03 | devil_angel | unixSnob: what kind of card are you using? |
| 15:38.18 | unixSnob | intel GMA X3100 GM965 |
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| 15:38.29 | unixSnob | devil_angel: that's in the Thinkpad T61 |
| 15:38.45 | unixSnob | (the one that came with suse on it from the factory) |
| 15:39.06 | devil_angel | ahh |
| 15:39.20 | unixSnob | so I was expecting all the components to be good choices for linux... |
| 15:39.29 | Wyzard | unixSnob: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=488534 |
| 15:39.36 | unixSnob | but lenovo decided to slack, and deliver a 32bit suse |
| 15:39.50 | devil_angel | ah |
| 15:40.13 | Akuw | i have in a dir, there is a symbolic link. How can i know where is the original file? |
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| 15:40.40 | unixSnob | thanks Wyzard.. good find |
| 15:41.17 | Wyzard | unixSnob: sounds like it may be specific to the linux-image-2.6.25-2 packages, so maybe it was just an accidental omission that'll be fixed |
| 15:41.24 | unixSnob | is surprized lenovo would produce a 64 bit laptop, then use components that only work in a 32 bit world |
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| 15:41.52 | Wyzard | unixSnob: I've never heard of any fundamental incompatibility between AMD64 and AGP |
| 15:41.57 | unixSnob | Wyzard: perhaps i should try to build agpgart manually then |
| 15:42.02 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: you did test the intel_agp.ko module ? |
| 15:42.02 | Akuw | rady |
| 15:42.22 | slept | pumpkin0, it depends on agpart ... |
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| 15:42.25 | Wyzard | unixSnob: or try a newer kernel -- 2.6.26 is in sid |
| 15:42.41 | Jabka | what is the module to load for acpi battery support ? |
| 15:42.51 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: i don't have that module available.. so I'd have to track it down |
| 15:42.57 | Wyzard | unixSnob: hmm... I'm running 2.6.25-2-amd64 and my intel_agp module does not depend on agpgart |
| 15:43.04 | slept | great |
| 15:43.21 | Wyzard | unixSnob: When I run "modinfo intel_agp", the "depends:" line is empty |
| 15:43.30 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: that is a module from the stock-kernel. You have to have it. |
| 15:43.33 | unixSnob | Wyzard: so would running 'aptitude upgrade system' solve this? |
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| 15:44.02 | Wyzard | unixSnob: Are you running lenny or sid |
| 15:44.02 | slept | Wyzard, thats different for 32 bit |
| 15:44.03 | Wyzard | ? |
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| 15:44.21 | unixSnob | Wyzard: etch |
| 15:44.32 | mrkiko | Hi all! Can someone tell me what arch name should i give to debootstrap to get x86_64 packages? |
| 15:44.42 | Wyzard | unixSnob: oh, so you're running 2.6.24 I guess, not 2.6.25 |
| 15:44.49 | Wyzard | mrkiko: amd64 |
| 15:44.56 | unixSnob | Wyzard: actually i'm running 2.6.18 |
| 15:45.07 | unixSnob | i thought that was the latest etch |
| 15:45.22 | mrkiko | Wyzard: thank you very much! And will it run even on Intel x86_64? It seems a stupid question |
| 15:45.25 | mrkiko | but I need to do it |
| 15:45.27 | unixSnob | the DVD i installed was called "4.0r3" |
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| 15:45.46 | dvs | unixSnob: old! ;-) |
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| 15:45.55 | dvs | unixSnob: but it still can be used |
| 15:45.55 | Wyzard | unixSnob: That's half-true -- etch was recently updated (4.0r4) with some optional newer stuff referred to as "etch-and-a-half", including 2.6.24 |
| 15:46.06 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: go to /lib/modules/2.6.18*/kernel/drivers/char/agp/. Do you see a intel-agp.ko file ? |
| 15:46.15 | Loof | Hey, two quick questions... I'm preping a system fora purge and update... is there a quick and easy way with dpkg to preserve the list of installed packages (and preferably feed them into apt-get to auto-install on refresh). Also, is there an easy way to show a list of 'all files not in a package and all files that were modified' |
| 15:46.18 | Wyzard | unixSnob: I assumed you were running a newer kernel because the bug report I found earlier said it happened after upgrading to the latest 2.6.25 |
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| 15:46.36 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: yes |
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| 15:46.44 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: load it with modprobe |
| 15:46.46 | Wyzard | pumpkin0: In any kernel, though, intel_agp should not depend on agpgart if agpgart does not exist |
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| 15:47.32 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: ran it.. should i restart x now? |
| 15:47.35 | pumpkin0 | Wyzard: i never said that. I think the module is just not loaded. But since the first round searching for it did not turn up any results... |
| 15:47.42 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: did it load cleanly ? |
| 15:47.53 | unixSnob | pumpkin0: looks like it |
| 15:47.56 | unixSnob | no error |
| 15:48.03 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob: yes, restart X |
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| 15:48.58 | pumpkin0 | Wyzard: currently the intel-driver finds 0 usable RAM and shits itself. That has nothing to do with agpgart... |
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| 15:50.28 | unixSnob_ | pumpkin0: same failure |
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| 15:50.43 | pumpkin0 | unixSnob_: did the log change in any way ? |
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| 15:51.18 | Wyzard | hmm... Intel GMA X3100, right? |
| 15:51.19 | unixSnob_ | pumpkin0: not sure.. i just looked at the immediate output of the error.. i'll capture it |
| 15:51.21 | _ZeuZ_ | unixSnob_, I've just arrived, but would love to know what's your problem so I can see if I can help... |
| 15:51.21 | valdyn | unixSnob_: which kernel is it you are using? |
| 15:51.52 | unixSnob_ | 2.6.18-6-amd64 is the kernel |
| 15:51.57 | Wyzard | That's a pretty recent GPU, and probably isn't properly supported by the intel driver in Debian 4.0r3 |
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| 15:52.06 | valdyn | unixSnob_: that kernel does not support your intel gfx chip |
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| 15:52.16 | unixSnob_ | _ZeuZ_: trying to use a better driver than vesa for an intel GMA X3100 GM965 |
| 15:52.20 | Wyzard | which is exactly why "etch-and-a-half" was released last week :-) |
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| 15:52.57 | Wyzard | unixSnob_: do an apt upgrade... you should get a newer version of xserver-xorg-video-intel, assuming you haven't done that upgrade already |
| 15:53.08 | unixSnob_ | well i'm not particularly attached to this version.. so an upgrade seems to make sense |
| 15:53.15 | valdyn | ... and install the newer kernel that is available thru etch |
| 15:53.29 | valdyn | unixSnob_: its just some packages, its still etch |
| 15:53.41 | unixSnob_ | Wyzard: i did run aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-intel already |
| 15:53.54 | Wyzard | unixSnob_: Actually, I misread the release notes: it looks like xserver-xorg-video-intel is a whole new package that wasn't in etch before |
| 15:53.56 | Wyzard | ok |
| 15:54.10 | unixSnob_ | so what should i run? "aptitude upgrade system" ? |
| 15:54.16 | Wyzard | so you're already using the "intel" driver, not the i915 driver |
| 15:54.22 | Wyzard | "aptitude upgrade" |
| 15:54.25 | unixSnob_ | k |
| 15:54.41 | valdyn | !info xserver-xorg-video-intel etch |
| 15:55.15 | dpkg | xserver-xorg-video-intel: (X.Org X server -- Intel i8xx, i9xx display driver), section x11, is optional. Version: 2:2.2.1-1~etchnhalf2 (etch), Packaged size: 335 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
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| 15:55.37 | unixSnob_ | Wyzard: is 'aptitude upgrade' something i wouldn't want to do over a dialup connection? |
| 15:55.59 | valdyn | unixSnob_: you will notice if its slow, you can abort the download, no harm done |
| 15:56.45 | unixSnob_ | valdyn: yeah, i figured... but i won't even bother trying if it's likely to go slow.. i'll just take my laptop to a friends house |
| 15:57.13 | Wyzard | unixSnob_: depends on how many packages need to be updated... in a stable release most of the updates are small security fixes, so there shouldn't be a lot to download |
| 15:57.13 | valdyn | unixSnob_: 50mb at least i would guess |
| 15:57.34 | valdyn | unixSnob_: that is to get the new kernel too |
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| 15:57.44 | unixSnob_ | cool... hope it work |
| 15:57.49 | unixSnob_ | s |
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| 16:00.40 | assem | running debian sid/gnome/metacity, how can i disable the workspace switcher? removing it from the panel doesn't deactivate it it seems |
| 16:00.59 | _ZeuZ_ | unixSnob_, I found another solution, though you'll have to merge Ubuntu packages... |
| 16:01.05 | _ZeuZ_ | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=506744 >> That's the URL... |
| 16:01.09 | valdyn | assem: configure that switcher to have only 1 workspace before you remove it |
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| 16:01.17 | _ZeuZ_ | they have a prepatched module ready for installation |
| 16:01.28 | valdyn | assem: like rightclick - properties - 1 workspace |
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| 16:01.46 | assem | valdyn, well, i'm trying to write my own code that uses libwnck |
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| 16:02.03 | assem | valdyn, and i believe the switcher is interferring with my ability to create/change the workspace layout |
| 16:02.07 | valdyn | assem: coding questions are offtopic |
| 16:02.13 | valdyn | assem: but i dont know this anywya |
| 16:02.26 | _ZeuZ_ | unixSnob_, Also, taking in count it's Santa ROsa chipset, this comes from Debian Wiki: http://wiki.debian.org/Installing_Debian_On/SantaRosa |
| 16:02.32 | unixSnob_ | thanks _ZeuZ_ |
| 16:02.43 | assem | valdyn, thanks anyways ^^ |
| 16:03.33 | sly007 | Hello, can I safely dpkg -r my current kernel if I have another version working i will be able to boot on? |
| 16:03.52 | _ZeuZ_ | sly007, you'll have to boot in a previous kernel first |
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| 16:04.25 | _ZeuZ_ | then it would be safe to remove it, but make sure to delete left-over modules (rm -rf /lib/modules/*HERE ADD THE KERNEL WICH YOU JUST UNINSTALLED* |
| 16:05.24 | sly007 | _ZeuZ_: doesn't dpkg -r takes care of this? |
| 16:05.45 | unixSnob_ | _ZeuZ_: i'm probably going to cop out and take the easy approach (apt upgrade).. but i'll keep those URLs around in case it fails |
| 16:06.03 | _ZeuZ_ | sly007, theorically yes, but left-over modules pretty much tend to be a pain in the ass, so it's better to make sure |
| 16:06.16 | _ZeuZ_ | unixSnob_, Good idea, good luck. |
| 16:06.24 | unixSnob_ | thanks |
| 16:06.53 | Wyzard | _ZeuZ_: If the "left-over modules" are from other modules packages (such as nvidia-kernel debs), you should remove those packages too, not just delete the .ko files |
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| 16:07.50 | _ZeuZ_ | Wyzard, I've found setups where module-assistant has been present to have them still. |
| 16:08.11 | _ZeuZ_ | That's why I allways make sure to remove that folder after removing all after-installed modules packages. |
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| 16:08.49 | Wyzard | _ZeuZ_: I don't know what you mean "have them still"... having module-assistant installed doesn't automatically remove third-party module packages when you uninstall a kernel |
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| 16:09.27 | _ZeuZ_ | Wyzard, this means: whenever I install a module, I get rid of the package when I don't need it anymore |
| 16:09.50 | _ZeuZ_ | but' I've found that modules are still left in /lib/modules sometimes |
| 16:10.00 | _ZeuZ_ | so I just remove them when Iwill not be using that kernel anymore |
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| 16:10.43 | Wyzard | When you remove a module package, its .ko files in /lib/modules get deleted |
| 16:11.08 | Wyzard | If you have .ko files left over, either you forgot to uninstall a module package, or those modules were installed manually rather than part of a package |
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| 16:13.26 | _ZeuZ_ | well, I just fix it that way :P |
| 16:13.36 | _ZeuZ_ | not the best, I know. |
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| 16:21.22 | unixSnob_ | i want to be able to get 50 line text mode when i hit control-alt-F2 |
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| 16:22.55 | Wyzard | unixSnob_: Use a framebuffer console... you can get better console resolutions than VGA 80x50 |
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| 16:23.46 | rahsputin | hi. I do not have printer on my Laptop and do not intent to have one hooked up, can i # aptitude purge cupsys-common? |
| 16:24.13 | unixSnob_ | ty Wyzard.. i'll look into it |
| 16:24.41 | Wyzard | rahsputin: You can remove cupsys if you don't ever intend to print at all, even to remote printers |
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| 16:26.12 | rahsputin | Wyzard but i still can print to file or ? |
| 16:27.35 | Wyzard | rahsputin: If the application supports it, yes... "print to file" in Linux basically means outputting a PostScript file |
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| 16:31.12 | vampirefrog | hi guys |
| 16:31.21 | vampirefrog | I'm trying to configure dhcpd3 to listen on eth1 |
| 16:31.38 | vampirefrog | when I start it it says no interfaces are available to listen on in dhcpd.conf |
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| 16:31.45 | vampirefrog | what line should I add where? |
| 16:31.50 | vampirefrog | i have a subnet configured |
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| 16:32.14 | Wyzard | vampirefrog: Is eth1 actually up? |
| 16:32.48 | xand | vampirefrog: there's a file in /etc/default to edit |
| 16:33.05 | xand | which lists the interfaces to listen on |
| 16:33.34 | vampirefrog | I have two network cards |
| 16:33.47 | vampirefrog | one is embedded and it's connected to the router which is connected to the internet |
| 16:33.50 | vampirefrog | and one is on pci |
| 16:34.03 | vampirefrog | and connected to it is a thin client sort of thing :D |
| 16:34.13 | vampirefrog | Wyzard: how do I check? |
| 16:34.15 | vampirefrog | ifconfig? |
| 16:34.27 | Wyzard | That's one way |
| 16:34.31 | vampirefrog | yes, it shows up there |
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| 16:34.34 | vampirefrog | along with eth2 and lo |
| 16:34.56 | vampirefrog | xand: /etc/default/dhcp3-server |
| 16:35.04 | vampirefrog | there's a INTERFACES="" |
| 16:35.07 | vampirefrog | should I add eth1 to that? |
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| 16:35.40 | xand | yes, inside the quotes |
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| 16:35.52 | vampirefrog | No subnet declaration for eth1 (0.0.0.0). |
| 16:35.57 | vampirefrog | that's what is says in syslog now |
| 16:36.28 | Wyzard | vampirefrog: Does your eth1 have an IP address? |
| 16:38.05 | vampirefrog | no |
| 16:38.15 | vampirefrog | eth2 does tho |
| 16:38.24 | vampirefrog | i need to configure eth1 better? |
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| 16:39.16 | Wyzard | dhcpd requires you to have a subnet definition for every interface it's listening on, and subnet definitions are specified by IP address |
| 16:39.40 | vampirefrog | derr |
| 16:39.51 | Wyzard | It's considering eth1's IP to be 0.0.0.0 since it doesn't actually have an IP, and you don't have a subnet definition for 0.0.0.0 |
| 16:39.56 | Wyzard | and you probably want eth1 to have an IP anyway |
| 16:40.25 | vampirefrog | what IP should it have? eth2 has something like 192.168.1.137 |
| 16:40.41 | Wyzard | What is eth1 connected to? |
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| 16:40.50 | vampirefrog | the thin client |
| 16:41.06 | Wyzard | and what is eth2 connected to? |
| 16:41.17 | vampirefrog | the router which is connected to the unternet |
| 16:41.38 | Wyzard | and you're planning on using this system as a router for your thin client? |
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| 16:41.49 | vampirefrog | no, i just want to boot from this one |
| 16:41.57 | vampirefrog | and i wouldn't mind having internet on that one either |
| 16:42.00 | wd | when installing base and not needing mail configuration if i choose no configuration at this time will exim still load? |
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| 16:43.19 | wd | does "local deliver only" mean system messages to me? |
| 16:43.38 | wd | or messages to others on the same network? |
| 16:44.07 | Wyzard | wd: user accounts on your own machine only, no network |
| 16:44.25 | vampirefrog | Wyzard: i want the diskless computer to network boot from this computer |
| 16:44.31 | vampirefrog | s/from/to/ |
| 16:44.33 | wd | Wyzard, oh ok. |
| 16:44.33 | vampirefrog | whatever:) |
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| 16:44.46 | vampirefrog | so what should I do about eth1? |
| 16:45.08 | unixSnob_ | i just tried to run 'aptitude upgrade' and got back a message that 'no packages will be installed' |
| 16:45.44 | Wyzard | vampirefrog: You need to give eth1 a static private IP, in a different range than the addresses being used by the router on eth2 |
| 16:45.50 | Wyzard | vampirefrog: 192.168.2.x for example |
| 16:45.52 | wd | Wyzard, if it's just me using computer should i choose "no config"? because i remember my other boxes would boot up with a "you have mail"... so exim also performs system messages to me huh? |
| 16:45.53 | unixSnob_ | i'm running 2.6.18, so i'm not sure how it can conclude that no packages are needed |
| 16:46.05 | vampirefrog | ok that sounds good. how do I give it the ip? |
| 16:46.06 | Wyzard | vampirefrog: and configure dhcpd to serve addresses in that range |
| 16:46.13 | Wyzard | vampirefrog: /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 16:46.52 | Wyzard | wd: You want to have local mail delivery even on a single-user computer... various programs expect to be able to send mail to root (which gets forwarded to your account) |
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| 16:47.18 | wd | Wyzard, you're awesome thanks . |
| 16:47.42 | vampirefrog | iface eth1 inet static |
| 16:47.42 | vampirefrog | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:47.44 | vampirefrog | is this good? |
| 16:47.50 | wd | kissing wyzard's tush because he needs friends. lol |
| 16:48.08 | Wyzard | vampirefrog: seems OK to me |
| 16:48.35 | vampirefrog | ok now I edit dhcpd.conf? |
| 16:48.59 | newsense | nice nick vampirefrog |
| 16:49.06 | vampirefrog | :P |
| 16:49.12 | newsense | lol |
| 16:49.25 | vampirefrog | gnusense |
| 16:49.31 | newsense | !newsense |
| 16:49.32 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, newsense is an ignorant bastard that lurk around the likes of #debian, ignore him and he might go away ! |
| 16:49.45 | unixSnob_ | ah, just realized i need to run aptitude update first |
| 16:51.53 | vampirefrog | Wyzard: still stuck, mate :) |
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| 16:54.05 | simonrvn | !factinfo newsense |
| 16:54.05 | dpkg | newsense -- created by newsense <~newsense@newsense.user.oftc.net> 45m 9s ago; it has been requested 2 times, last by newsense, 4m 34s ago. |
| 16:54.15 | newsense | vampirefrog: thanks for the nick idea im gonna use it i think though ive been using this speling for yrs |
| 16:54.53 | Wyzard | newsense: http://www.gnewsense.org/ |
| 16:55.26 | newsense | hmm |
| 16:55.42 | newsense | im not affiliated r ever heard of that distro btw |
| 16:56.51 | simonrvn | i imagine not... |
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| 16:58.02 | vampirefrog | gnuisance |
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| 17:03.37 | xingu | knewsense, maybe. |
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| 17:04.12 | cahoot | nonsense |
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| 17:05.14 | magyar | !magyar |
| 17:05.14 | dpkg | you are, like, ha magyarul szeretnel segitseget kapni, menj a #debian.hu csatira. bar esetleg itt is talalhatsz magyarul beszeloket. if you need help in hungarian, proceed to #debian.hu (tho you can usually find a number of hungarian speaking people here too). |
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| 17:06.09 | magyar | eheh dpkg is tha bomb |
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| 17:07.04 | vampirefrog | !romanian |
| 17:07.07 | vampirefrog | feh |
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| 17:07.14 | vampirefrog | dpkg offends my country :)) |
| 17:07.14 | dpkg | vampirefrog: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 17:07.23 | vampirefrog | derr |
| 17:07.33 | mario_hn | Hi guys, how can I control the bandwidth in my computer. For example I have 3 computers. and 512 of bandwidth. I want to control that my computer only consumes 40KB download and 40KB upload |
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| 17:08.12 | mario_hn | and the rest consumes the rest of it |
| 17:08.24 | cast | it's tricky to control download |
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| 17:08.55 | mario_hn | I want to control download and upload, do you know a way of doing that? |
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| 17:09.44 | De_Mon | controling what another computer sends you involves dropping enough packets (wasting bandwidth) to make them send at a lower rate |
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| 17:09.57 | simonrvn | jones-: quit it |
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| 17:10.18 | De_Mon | mario_hn it's called traffic shaping and qos |
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| 17:10.54 | mario_hn | De_Mon, any application to do that |
| 17:11.17 | De_Mon | mario_hn the 'tc' application will do it with ingress and egress rules |
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| 17:11.29 | pickcoder | it's another auto-rejoin flooder |
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| 17:12.02 | De_Mon | packages with shorewall (I think it is) and other firewall type packages may have a nicer interface for setting up those rules but tc is all you need |
| 17:12.07 | De_Mon | s/with/like/ |
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| 17:12.53 | simonrvn | FFS |
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| 17:13.47 | pickcoder | !ops can someone temp ban jones- he's been auto-away for a couple hours |
| 17:13.48 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: pickcoder complains about: can someone temp ban jones- he's been auto-away for a couple hours |
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| 17:15.05 | pickcoder | simonrvn: crappy client |
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| 17:15.22 | pickcoder | this happen last weekend IIRC |
| 17:15.27 | pickcoder | different person maybe |
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| 17:17.34 | plundra | Men finjävel |
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| 17:18.29 | pickcoder | simonrvn: how long has the flooding been going on? |
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| 17:18.59 | plundra | pickcoder: ~20 minutes |
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| 17:19.13 | plundra | (If you mean the jones- join/quits) |
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| 17:19.17 | pickcoder | yeah |
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| 17:19.26 | xjkx | would you recommend a noise sound remover besides audacity ? |
| 17:19.40 | jetscreamer | probably |
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| 17:20.40 | jetscreamer | xjkx: if there is something, it might have a tendency to be on marillat's site/repo |
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| 17:21.12 | janne-5011 | evning all can someone kind and help pme with one line script: check if a dir contains any *jpg if any do... |
| 17:21.23 | jetscreamer | janne-5011: #bash |
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| 17:22.39 | jetscreamer | !kill jones- |
| 17:22.39 | dpkg | rips off jones-'s balls with a free AOL CD |
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| 17:23.08 | jetscreamer | damn respawn |
| 17:23.29 | jetscreamer | !ops jones- needs a connect |
| 17:23.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: jetscreamer complains about: jones- needs a connect |
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| 17:23.43 | netsrot | Hi, what is the fastest way to transer files in etch in a already secure network where it's possible to resume files on crash? when I try ftp I only get high speed with many threads, do I configure it wrong or is it just the way ftp works? |
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| 17:24.01 | sly007 | Hello, in dmesg I have "rtc_cmos 00:06: rtc core: registered rtc_cmos as rtc0" "rtc_cmos 00:06: setting system clock to 2008-08-02 19:16:09 UTC (1217704569" but hwclock --debug says "hwclock: Open of /dev/rtc failed, errno=2: No such file or directory." "No usable clock interface found." |
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| 17:24.07 | sly007 | How is this possible? |
| 17:24.10 | simonrvn | needs a kick in the ass |
| 17:24.16 | sly007 | I do have /dev/rtc |
| 17:24.23 | jetscreamer | there is genrtc and the hiperf rtc |
| 17:24.23 | Hourssales | already tried wget? |
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| 17:24.48 | jetscreamer | not sure which you might want.. then there is new rtc stuff also in kernel i know nothing about |
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| 17:25.16 | Hourssales | netsrot: did you already try wget? |
| 17:25.21 | jetscreamer | but at first, if you're using the gen i'd try the hiperf, if the hi the gen |
| 17:25.29 | jetscreamer | all i know though |
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| 17:25.41 | jetscreamer | cept i used to have one get autodetectyed wrong |
| 17:25.59 | Hourssales | wtf? |
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| 17:26.03 | jetscreamer | i had to nuke the gen... but that was many kerns ago |
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| 17:26.10 | sly007 | jetscreamer: you're talking about HPET? |
| 17:26.29 | jetscreamer | no just the rtc module in the kernel |
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| 17:26.37 | jetscreamer | i know nothing about hpet |
| 17:26.54 | jetscreamer | i don't even know what it stands for |
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| 17:27.03 | netsrot | Hourssales: haven't tried, so it's possible to resume with wget? and I get max speed if I configure apache right? |
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| 17:27.09 | jetscreamer | dang gtg |
| 17:27.19 | sly007 | jetscreamer: I have almost everything compiled for RTC in the kernel :( |
| 17:27.26 | jetscreamer | but... |
| 17:27.28 | Hourssales | netsrot: dunno, i think yes |
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| 17:27.55 | jetscreamer | there are not only a generic and hiperformance rtc module, there is also a new section labeled rtc |
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| 17:28.10 | jetscreamer | all i know |
| 17:28.15 | sly007 | jetscreamer: which category is it under? |
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| 17:28.42 | jetscreamer | i forget, not the same one as the gen/hi one though,.. it has it's own |
| 17:28.52 | cahoot | hit / and search |
| 17:29.00 | netsrot | Hourssales: do you know if there is a simpler way to use wget then setting up an apache server? |
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| 17:29.05 | jetscreamer | ciao |
| 17:29.17 | jetscreamer | don't want a bridezilla on my hands |
| 17:29.21 | Hourssales | netsrot: it should be enough to install openssh-server |
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| 17:29.40 | netsrot | Hourssales: ok |
| 17:29.53 | cast | netsrot: could use nc and dd |
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| 17:30.10 | cast | netsrot: there are lightweight httpd's like thttpd too :) |
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| 17:30.45 | jetscreamer | / works in menuconfig? |
| 17:30.53 | cahoot | yes |
| 17:30.58 | jetscreamer | cool |
| 17:31.02 | cahoot | yes |
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| 17:31.24 | netsrot | cast: ok thanks, I will start reading about them. |
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| 17:32.55 | pickcoder | ugh |
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| 17:33.19 | pickcoder | too bad /ignore doesn't ignore join/quit |
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| 17:33.48 | cahoot | doesn't it? |
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| 17:33.56 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:34.26 | cast | pickcoder: get a decent irc client ;) |
| 17:34.47 | pickcoder | meh |
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| 17:34.57 | airer-girl | can you do /ignore * JOINS PARTS QUITS? |
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| 17:35.20 | stew | yes or /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS |
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| 17:35.33 | pickcoder | cast: I could get on another machine, but I'm going to be leaving in a few anyway |
| 17:35.33 | airer-girl | i want to ignore everyones joins, parts, quits not just one channel |
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| 17:37.33 | alekibango | hello, do someone have an idea what should be right tool for making simple GUI for initramfs scripts? (yes, gui in initramfs) |
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| 17:38.05 | pickcoder | I guess the ops are all "weekending" |
| 17:38.14 | acutedeath | i've been unable to figure this one out - whenever i halt or reboot it freezes at 'Stopping portmap daemon...' |
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| 17:38.54 | acutedeath | does anyone know what could cause this? |
| 17:39.02 | newsense | if ya dont need portmap remove it |
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| 17:39.09 | alekibango | purge rather :D |
| 17:39.13 | newsense | yeah |
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| 17:39.25 | acutedeath | i thought it was needed for some reason... |
| 17:39.33 | alekibango | its good for old nfs |
| 17:39.38 | alekibango | (v3) |
| 17:39.44 | newsense | i got rid of portmap inetd and all the other crap i dont need |
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| 17:39.58 | sly007 | Actually, in dmesg I have "rtc_cmos 00:06: rtc core: registered rtc_cmos as rtc0" but then only /dev/rtc exists. How is this possible? |
| 17:39.58 | cast | but not needed i nfsv4? |
| 17:40.11 | cast | s/ i / in / |
| 17:40.16 | alekibango | cast, no nfs4 should not need it imho |
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| 17:40.30 | acutedeath | i used to get a boot freeze when starting nfs statd but it went away after enough updates |
| 17:40.37 | alekibango | jones-: are you ok? |
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| 17:41.31 | cast | hmm, what happens if you have a fstab line to mount a nfsv3 server and the server is down at boot, does it time out or freeze indefinitely? |
| 17:41.31 | pickcoder | alekibango: jones- is away and his client is joining to many channels too quickly |
| 17:41.36 | pickcoder | s/to/too |
| 17:41.55 | sly007 | Is udev messing around with my rtc? The funny thins is that it did not with my generic debian kernel |
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| 17:42.20 | neonlightning | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:42.34 | alekibango | sly007: as far as i heard, udev is messing with everything :D |
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| 17:43.10 | airer-girl | Unknown arg 'JOINS' ignored. Unknown arg 'PARTS' ignored. Unknown arg 'QUITS' ignored. |
| 17:43.25 | newsense | dam jones |
| 17:43.27 | neonlightning | hrm yea that doesn't seem to work |
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| 17:43.35 | newsense | !smite jones |
| 17:43.35 | dpkg | smites jones with a plague of characters from an unknown locale |
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| 17:43.56 | acutedeath | well, interesting. selecting to purge portmap and nfs-common had no apparent dependencies |
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| 17:44.12 | koolhead17 | ;) |
| 17:44.24 | acutedeath | guess I don't needem |
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| 17:44.47 | newsense | i installed debian with no tasks selected not even desktop system so i didnt have much to remove |
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| 17:45.05 | neonlightning | kinda surprised jones- hasn't been temp akill'ed |
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| 17:45.21 | newsense | how tf do i ignore him |
| 17:45.28 | acutedeath | i had to remove all of gnome once i figured out it annoyed the piss out of me |
| 17:45.28 | newsense | im no irc expert |
| 17:45.32 | sly007 | I was using the generic debien kernel. eth0 was automatically up. Now with my custom kernel I have to ifup eth0. Why? |
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| 17:45.46 | Chris| | ./ignore nick |
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| 17:45.53 | newsense | i tried that |
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| 17:46.04 | newsense | doesnt ignore his joins and parts |
| 17:46.19 | cast | all these people, using crappy irc clients :P |
| 17:46.21 | newsense | if he said anything im sure i wouldnt see it |
| 17:46.31 | newsense | kvirc |
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| 17:46.34 | neonlightning | cast, :P |
| 17:46.42 | newsense | im in x |
| 17:46.43 | Chris| | ew .. kvirc sucks |
| 17:47.00 | newsense | and i usually dont use x but i like to watch youtube videos |
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| 17:47.03 | alekibango | imho irssi and konversation are best |
| 17:47.06 | neonlightning | xchat ain't perfect but its functional for the most part to be honest i still miss mirc 5.14 |
| 17:47.15 | neonlightning | i can't stand konversation |
| 17:47.23 | newsense | bitchx from tty1 |
| 17:47.24 | Chris| | neonlightning, i miss mirc 6.21 :/ |
| 17:47.29 | acutedeath | i'm in pidgin although it's awkward for irc at times |
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| 17:47.46 | newsense | is there any good x irc clients ? |
| 17:47.48 | neonlightning | acutedeath, understatement i've had to use that on many a livecd |
| 17:47.53 | pickcoder | Chris|: run it in wine |
| 17:47.59 | alekibango | newsense: try konversation (for kde) |
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| 17:48.14 | newsense | i run kde so i might try it |
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| 17:48.20 | Chris| | pickcoder, mirc 6.21 only works under on wine with openbox, on gnome it never worked for me correctly |
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| 17:48.50 | Steve` | **** koverstaion |
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| 17:48.53 | newsense | people actually run mirc in wine |
| 17:48.55 | Steve` | irssi tbh |
| 17:49.02 | alekibango | both are good steve |
| 17:49.03 | neonlightning | alot of the reason i liked mirc is it had pretty much all functionality in one small exe kept all its files in one folder and the scripting system is very easy to make something useful with and none of those things are in 6.00+ |
| 17:49.10 | newsense | dam linux irc clients must really suck |
| 17:49.11 | Chris| | newsense, it works nearly flawlessly in openbox :) |
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| 17:49.15 | kunwon1 | newsense: xchat |
| 17:49.17 | pickcoder | newsense: I used to, back when bitch-x was the only decent client on Linux |
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| 17:49.38 | neonlightning | yea bitchx is the best cli one i've used |
| 17:49.40 | alekibango | i remember days before mozilla :D we used telnet lol |
| 17:49.45 | neonlightning | ninja isn't bad but its just a spinoff of bitchx |
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| 17:49.59 | neonlightning | alekibango, i remember i used to always use telnet to irc from school |
| 17:50.08 | alekibango | hehe |
| 17:50.11 | cast | neonlightning: didn't it annoy you that you had to learn some mirc specific scripting language |
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| 17:50.22 | newsense | i used a shell account |
| 17:50.23 | pickcoder | remembers when there was no Internet and people had BBS parties |
| 17:50.25 | alekibango | so, again, do someone have a tip how to make GUI for initramfs script? |
| 17:50.45 | neonlightning | cast, it was similar enough to qbasic in some ways so i was able to learn enough quick enough to put together the scripts i need |
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| 17:51.08 | neonlightning | pickcoder, my buddy's dad ran the largest dialin bbs in town |
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| 17:51.20 | Hourssales | jones-: www.phpfi.com |
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| 17:51.22 | cast | neonlightning: but, you know, use irssi and you can use perl, xchat perl/python/tcl...languages people actually want to know :) |
| 17:51.59 | neonlightning | cast, true but i don't know them so i'ed have to relearn everything |
| 17:52.07 | pickcoder | ran WWIV with a 14.4K on a Packard Bell 286 |
| 17:52.47 | neonlightning | pickcoder, nice that was a little before my time i was on bbs's at 6 so in 1990 |
| 17:53.13 | acutedeath | aagh! OK i'm trying to purge my freezing portmap, but it freeze while trying to stop it in the uninstall script (using synapatic here) |
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| 17:53.25 | acutedeath | so I kill it manually, and it crashes the script |
| 17:53.41 | acutedeath | then i try again and the script STARTS it, and then tries to stop it |
| 17:53.49 | acutedeath | wtf |
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| 17:55.24 | acutedeath | i can |
| 17:55.58 | acutedeath | 't remember the name of the command, but isn't there a handy interface for disabling such services? |
| 17:56.03 | acutedeath | *rc* something |
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| 17:57.13 | cast | sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:57.18 | SpeedyG | update-rc.d |
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| 17:57.34 | acutedeath | hm |
| 17:57.37 | acutedeath | sounds good |
| 17:57.45 | SpeedyG | which one? :D |
| 17:58.02 | acutedeath | i don't know, i used a different one previously, i haven't tried those |
| 17:58.04 | pickcoder | update-rc.d is already there |
| 17:58.21 | pickcoder | sysv-rc-conf is easier to use |
| 17:58.54 | SpeedyG | sysv-rc-conf is some additional package? :) |
| 17:59.12 | acutedeath | installs sysv-rc-conf pkg |
| 17:59.19 | pickcoder | !info sysv-rc-conf |
| 17:59.46 | pickcoder | everytime I query dpkg it has to update files |
| 17:59.57 | dpkg | sysv-rc-conf: (SysV init runlevel configuration tool for the terminal), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.99-6 (sid), Packaged size: 23 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
| 18:00.11 | pickcoder | "is optional" |
| 18:00.38 | SpeedyG | ah |
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| 18:00.46 | SpeedyG | thats why I dont have it installed :D |
| 18:00.52 | acutedeath | i don't know if it will help me here, since the script feels the need to start the blasted portmap even though i've trying to remove ie |
| 18:00.55 | acutedeath | *it |
| 18:01.58 | pickcoder | acutedeath: so hack the init script and remove the exec for start/stop |
| 18:02.08 | pickcoder | kill the processes and then run aptitude remove |
| 18:02.36 | acutedeath | i didn't try that sequence yet, makes more sense. |
| 18:02.41 | acutedeath | hangs head in shame |
| 18:03.26 | SpeedyG | hehe |
| 18:03.45 | acutedeath | it still starts it again >:| |
| 18:04.15 | SpeedyG | hands acutedeath a hammer |
| 18:04.22 | pickcoder | it can't.. if you remove the daemon command line |
| 18:04.22 | acutedeath | ty |
| 18:04.37 | acutedeath | i didn't get into the script yet |
| 18:04.51 | pickcoder | or comment the line |
| 18:05.07 | acutedeath | where might i find the offending script? |
| 18:05.16 | pickcoder | init.d? |
| 18:05.24 | pickcoder | # start-stop-daemon |
| 18:05.27 | pickcoder | everywhere |
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| 18:05.30 | alekibango | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.37 | pickcoder | s/everywhere/each instance |
| 18:05.47 | acutedeath | alekibango thats what i'm after i think |
| 18:06.02 | alekibango | is it portmap.uninstall? |
| 18:06.06 | alekibango | just remove the set -e |
| 18:06.11 | alekibango | :D |
| 18:06.11 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 18:06.29 | alekibango | i know, its ugly |
| 18:06.49 | alekibango | but it is consistent with my intent to harm postmap and its users |
| 18:06.50 | alekibango | :D |
| 18:07.08 | acutedeath | i want it gone |
| 18:07.17 | pickcoder | I told you what to do |
| 18:07.23 | acutedeath | portmap.postrm seems to be the culprit |
| 18:07.36 | pickcoder | it doesn't matter if you edit the init script |
| 18:07.40 | acutedeath | er prerm |
| 18:07.41 | pickcoder | it's already installed |
| 18:07.50 | pickcoder | *sigh* |
| 18:07.57 | acutedeath | lost me i guess |
| 18:09.00 | acutedeath | if i kill manually + blank the prerm i think it may do the trick |
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| 18:09.16 | subsume | How to see file year + date? |
| 18:09.17 | alekibango | dont blank, just remove the set -x |
| 18:09.19 | blizzo1 | I upgraded my old copy of sarge to etch in order to deal with this BIND DNS issue. For some reason, after completing the upgrade to etch and running aptitude dist-upgrade, named -v still returns: BIND 9.4.0 Anyone know why BIND wouldn't be updating to the patched version? |
| 18:09.29 | alekibango | you will see errors when you do dpkg --purge |
| 18:09.34 | alekibango | you will see errors when you do dpkg --purge --force-all :D |
| 18:10.13 | acutedeath | i don't know what 'set -e' does |
| 18:10.13 | alekibango | blizzo1: apt-get -t etch bind ? |
| 18:10.25 | alekibango | acutedeath: it says: die on error |
| 18:10.47 | acutedeath | oh, then that would help in that case |
| 18:11.04 | alekibango | maybe add one useless command near end |
| 18:11.08 | alekibango | like true |
| 18:11.47 | blizzo1 | alekibango: that just says Invalid operation bind9 |
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| 18:12.34 | sly007 | What does allow-hotplug (in /etc/network/interfaces) needs in the kernel to automatically lauch interfaces? pci hotplug? |
| 18:13.18 | pickcoder | auto <dev> is enough |
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| 18:14.53 | sly007 | pickcoder: the problem is that switching to my custom kernel, I have to "ifup eth0" each time I boot, while I don't using the generic debian kernel. |
| 18:14.54 | acutedeath | haha i got the bastid |
| 18:15.24 | acutedeath | i needed to rm /etc/init.d/portmap to help the script out |
| 18:15.56 | acutedeath | goes to make coffee to celebrate |
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| 18:23.13 | wols_ | sly007: edit your interfaces file then |
| 18:23.26 | wols_ | acutedeath: bad job |
| 18:23.31 | acutedeath | ty |
| 18:23.46 | wols_ | acutedeath: it wasn't a compliment. you fucked up |
| 18:23.55 | acutedeath | whys that |
| 18:24.04 | wols_ | cause you did. you deleted the wrong file |
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| 18:24.36 | acutedeath | ? |
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| 18:24.42 | wols_ | locate portmap |grep etc |
| 18:25.12 | acutedeath | um... i don't know what you mean by that |
| 18:25.47 | acutedeath | the prerm script thought that it was running, when it wasn't. i had to make it disappear long enough for the purge to go through |
| 18:26.15 | wols_ | then next time check what the prerm script does |
| 18:26.19 | pickcoder | acutedeath: there are probably still symlinks in the rc.d |
| 18:26.35 | wols_ | pickcoder: hopefully not after he purged |
| 18:27.34 | pickcoder | if update-rc.d is being used and portmap doesn't exist in init.d then the removal will probably fail |
| 18:27.56 | alturiak | 1+ |
| 18:28.01 | alturiak | (oups) |
| 18:28.13 | pickcoder | that's why I suggested my approach in the first place instead of blindly removing files |
| 18:28.27 | pickcoder | but, I digress |
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| 18:29.07 | pickcoder | and forcing a core install/removal file to return true is not a good idea unless you read the script |
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| 18:31.30 | pickcoder | bbl |
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| 18:33.11 | acutedeath | loi |
| 18:33.31 | acutedeath | i gotta take that 'quit xfce4' button off my panel |
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| 18:33.34 | spacix | Hi, when I do C-a ESC, and want to copy a line I press enter at the start of the line, and go to the end of the line with the right arrow and press enter again, is there another faster way of going to the end of the line? |
| 18:33.40 | acutedeath | hit it by accident for the last time |
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| 18:33.58 | acutedeath | but, success, i can now change runlevel without freeze |
| 18:35.07 | acutedeath | and if my 'find / | grep portmap' comes up dry i'll call it a win |
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| 18:36.59 | micols | how do i get around the "single bit error" problem with huge raid volumes? raid6 isnt an option, i'd prefer software raid, its for a raid5 of 3-4TB |
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| 18:38.46 | netsrot | was there any solution to lenny but when trying to shut down it hangs on Stopping portmap daemon? |
| 18:39.20 | Asgaroth | I'm using debian inside qemu and want to raise the solution to 1024x768, but xrandr reports a maximum size of 800x600, the cirrus driver for xorg is installed. How do I convince X than it is 1024x768 capable(it works in DSL)? |
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| 18:43.52 | blizzo1 | !info bind9 |
| 18:43.54 | dpkg | bind9: (Internet Domain Name Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:9.5.0.dfsg.P1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 231 kB, Installed size: 724 kB |
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| 18:44.04 | blizzo1 | !info bind9 etch |
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| 18:44.30 | dpkg | bind9: (Internet Domain Name Server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:9.3.4-2etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 764 kB |
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| 18:47.00 | netsrot | it seems to be impossible to stop portmap with /etc/init.d/portmap stop in lenny. |
| 18:47.01 | blizzo1 | this is sooo weird, aptitude update and aptitude dist-upgrade say my etch box is completely updated. Aptitude says the current version of bind9 is 9.4.0.1 but all the info I can find for etch says the package should be at 9.3.4. Can anyone explain why I can't get etch to update to a version of bind9 that is not vulnerable to dns cache poisoning/ |
| 18:47.03 | blizzo1 | ? |
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| 18:50.23 | shogunx | hello all. can anyone recommend a gigabit expresscard? the belkins I usually use are soldout everywhere. linksys ec1000 looks feasible, but i can't find any info if we have code to operate that, or even what chipset it is. |
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| 18:53.24 | xingu | heh, I didn't even know such things were shipping |
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| 18:54.06 | xingu | I wonder if anyone is making pcie2 -> expresscard adapters yet, this could be a useful diversion |
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| 18:55.10 | DawnLigh1 | wahoo |
| 18:55.22 | Zmax | Hi, what packages or metapackage do I have to install for Mono IDE? |
| 18:55.23 | xingu | well there you go, addonics indeed are |
| 18:55.33 | DawnLigh1 | Zmax: what is that? |
| 18:55.58 | maligor | you mean monodevelop? |
| 18:55.58 | Zmax | http://wiki.debian.org/Mono |
| 18:56.11 | Zmax | yes |
| 18:56.22 | maligor | then the magic answer is monodevelop ;) |
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| 18:56.41 | Zmax | I haven't it (it seems) |
| 18:57.00 | Zmax | $ sudo aptitude search monodevelop |
| 18:57.01 | Zmax | $ |
| 18:58.42 | Zmax | maligor: are you there? |
| 18:59.21 | maligor | stable doesn't have it |
| 18:59.32 | maligor | maybe backports? |
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| 19:00.11 | Zmax | maligor: I just verified there |
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| 19:00.19 | Zmax | there isn't |
| 19:00.20 | maligor | lenny and sid have it tho |
| 19:01.06 | Zmax | maligor: I tried to upgrade to lenny yesterday, but it cannot find a lot of packages to upgrade |
| 19:01.40 | maligor | can't comment on that |
| 19:01.54 | Zmax | How can I do a dist-upgrade without worry? |
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| 19:04.32 | DawnLigh1 | hey, i'm trying to grub-install on an ltsp-booted client's /dev/hda and it tells me that hda doesn't have a corresponding bios drive |
| 19:04.33 | blizzo1 | Zmax: Valium? |
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| 19:07.25 | blizzo1 | Zmax: I usually backup my /etc/ directory to another machine. Then do a dist-upgrade. |
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| 19:10.25 | Zmax | blizzo1: ok thanks. |
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| 19:11.41 | tokyojase | hello! |
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| 19:12.02 | DawnLigh1 | hello tokyojase |
| 19:12.17 | DawnLigh1 | enlighten us with your question |
| 19:12.22 | tokyojase | hows it going ? |
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| 19:13.05 | DawnLigh1 | some of us israelis say "baruch hashem". means blessed is god |
| 19:13.14 | DawnLigh1 | or "the name" |
| 19:13.28 | tokyojase | if you insist! I was hoping to get a bit of help with bind and zones |
| 19:13.44 | DawnLigh1 | i don't know bind. perhaps someone else does |
| 19:13.54 | tokyojase | I'm running an apache server, and I need requests from the local server to redirect to 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:14.12 | tokyojase | IE, firefly.your-japan.com should point to 127.0.0.1 |
| 19:14.12 | blizzo1 | boker or! DawnLigh1 |
| 19:14.18 | tokyojase | if I configure it manually in hosts, it works |
| 19:14.27 | tokyojase | but I don't know how to configure for *.your-japan.com |
| 19:14.37 | tokyojase | oh ok, thats cool, thanks anyway DawnLigh1 |
| 19:15.05 | DawnLigh1 | blizzo1: erev tov, actually |
| 19:15.06 | tokyojase | anyone have any experience with bind/zone ... ? |
| 19:15.58 | PeterFA | Out of curiosity, is KDE4 on Sid? |
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| 19:16.15 | streuner | !kde4 |
| 19:16.15 | dpkg | kde 4 is, like, a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 19:17.02 | tokyojase | anyone know how I can make *.domainname.com direct to 127.0.0.1 ? |
| 19:17.22 | tokyojase | I don't know how to go about searching for this on google :| |
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| 19:21.07 | wd | using nfs-kernel-server when i mkdir /data in my exports file.. say i want to add a subdir /data/music using mkdir music.. on client will i be able to access music folder? |
| 19:21.19 | PeterFA | streuner, looks like it is. |
| 19:21.37 | alekibango | hm why is alsa in new debian kernel still 1.0.16 when 1.0.17 is out ? |
| 19:21.46 | PeterFA | Would it be recommended to run Sid for a user computer? |
| 19:22.03 | alekibango | PeteFA: right now, rather not |
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| 19:22.15 | alekibango | sid will welcome kde4 now |
| 19:22.28 | PeterFA | alekibango, so, it's really under work. |
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| 19:22.37 | alekibango | and other stuff, it will get borken like always when older version is frozen |
| 19:22.56 | alekibango | PeterFA: try it after few months :D |
| 19:23.00 | alekibango | now is best lenny |
| 19:23.07 | PeterFA | alekibango, yeah. :) |
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| 19:23.11 | PeterFA | Thanks. |
| 19:23.15 | alekibango | btw i use sid |
| 19:23.18 | alekibango | but not for normal user |
| 19:23.25 | PeterFA | alekibango, are you a developer? |
| 19:23.32 | alekibango | not a dd, but developer, right |
| 19:23.49 | pupus | hello. quick question if ya'll don't mind: if i install debian on one system than transfer the hard drive to another, will it run? |
| 19:24.01 | alekibango | PeteFA, to be hones, i have experimantal right now :) to make my kde4 ok :D |
| 19:24.13 | alekibango | pupus: might |
| 19:24.20 | alekibango | depends on what you mean by run |
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| 19:24.26 | alekibango | and how much different they are |
| 19:24.38 | alekibango | like, X configuration is often not compatible |
| 19:24.41 | pupus | lenny. and the other machine is considerably older |
| 19:24.44 | acutedeath | i rode sid until my wireless drivers made it to the kernel, now i can't bring myself to hold back :| |
| 19:25.00 | alekibango | pupus: you can always configure it |
| 19:25.11 | pupus | :] thanks |
| 19:25.17 | pupus | i'll give it a shot |
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| 19:25.22 | pupus | peace out |
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| 19:28.35 | mhymn_ | tokyojase: did you google it? |
| 19:29.11 | mhymn_ | tokyojase: http://www.aboutdebian.com/dns.htm |
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| 19:30.40 | ekimus | hello, i'm setting up a pcegines box with a cfcard as main disk, installation went fine, but I'm searching for the correct place to ro mount everything possible (that would probably be everything except /var/ and /tmp/) - http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.3.4 suggests that /etc/rcS.d/ seems to be that place, with a link to the earliest possible value in init.d. |
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| 19:32.50 | tokyojase | ok |
| 19:32.55 | tokyojase | so I apt-get install bind |
| 19:33.02 | tokyojase | now I'm messing about with db.local |
| 19:33.08 | tokyojase | but I don't think I'm getting it right |
| 19:33.22 | tokyojase | @ IN A your-japan.com ? |
| 19:33.48 | tokyojase | ?? |
| 19:33.59 | Cyorxamp | Lo, I just rebooted my box via SSH, and I want to VNC back into it... the process list shows gdmgreeter is running - can I not VNC in to the login screen? |
| 19:34.52 | tokyojase | maybe I need to make a whole zone for *.your-japan.com somehow? |
| 19:35.12 | Cyorxamp | I turned on VNC using the method you find in the settings, the 'remote desktop' dialog box |
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| 19:35.20 | newsense | got a set of ms speakers with sub, never heard of ms making speakers but they dont sound half bad |
| 19:35.37 | DawnLigh1 | newsense: they only sell them |
| 19:35.40 | newsense | gonna paint over the microsoft logo |
| 19:36.19 | newsense | DawnLigh1: i didnt know they sold em even |
| 19:36.30 | newsense | DawnLigh1: flea market bargain |
| 19:37.05 | tokyojase | ..anyone? |
| 19:37.07 | mhymn_ | tokyojase: ill paste you the right and short! instructions in PM, OK? |
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| 19:37.49 | tokyojase | yes please, that'd be great |
| 19:38.12 | tokyojase | thanks a lot |
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| 19:38.54 | tweakism | I had a power failure and now my /var/lib/dpkg/status is corrupt. |
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| 19:39.38 | tweakism | I have one from a couple days ago in /var/backups.. and I have status-old w/ a very similar timestamp that appears uncorrupted... ideas? |
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| 19:40.26 | bfremon | hi |
| 19:40.59 | bfremon | Do I need a reboot after changing some values in update-alternatives using the --config options ? |
| 19:41.24 | tweakism | not generally but if you're not sure of the implications it can never hurt. |
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| 19:42.30 | newsense | anyone recommend any good logchecker ? logcheck orlogwatch |
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| 19:44.44 | ekimus | newsense: logwatch reports only what it knows about (this is bad), logcheck reports the opposit |
| 19:45.11 | newsense | so logcheck is the way to go thanks |
| 19:45.37 | newsense | ive always used logcheck but lately been hearing about logwatch |
| 19:45.56 | newsense | thought it might be better |
| 19:46.15 | newsense | guess its true what works for you is best |
| 19:46.35 | Cyorxamp | In the settings I have turned on 'Remote Desktop' (basically VNC) so I can connect to my exising session. I'm not at my PC right now and I was VNC'd in and had to reboot it, so now its stuck on the GDM Greeter screen and I can't VNC in... any ideas? |
| 19:46.51 | ekimus | logwatch is less verbose of course, because if you don't have a config that let's logcheck know about something you have installed locally it will report that even if it's not harmfull, on the other hand you have to know every possible threat for logwatch to work properly |
| 19:47.12 | tokyojase | can anyone give me a hand with creating a local zone in bind? |
| 19:47.16 | ekimus | Cyorxamp: ssh -X host yourprogramm |
| 19:47.30 | Cyorxamp | meaning? |
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| 19:47.41 | Cyorxamp | I'm SSH'd in right now, I can see gdmgreeter running in the process list |
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| 19:47.58 | ekimus | Cyorxamp: do "ssh -X yourhost nautilus" |
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| 19:48.12 | Cyorxamp | Thats now what I want, I want to VNC in as normal |
| 19:48.31 | ekimus | Cyorxamp: vnc can only connect to existing sessions by default |
| 19:48.46 | Cyorxamp | And the gdmgreeter screen doesn't count as a session!? |
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| 19:49.09 | ekimus | no |
| 19:49.14 | ekimus | not as _your_ session |
| 19:49.22 | Cyorxamp | Can I remotely tell gdmgreeter via SSH what to login as ? |
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| 19:53.08 | totooo | tokyojase you tried: <VirtualHost 127.0.0.1> |
| 19:53.11 | totooo | ? |
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| 19:56.25 | smallfoot- | Can debian developer guy put Songbird, Flock and iFolder in the repo? |
| 19:57.10 | tokyojase | virtualhost? in apache ? |
| 19:57.14 | totooo | yup |
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| 19:57.42 | wald0 | where are these images of netinstall ports with a recent kernel ? |
| 19:57.47 | totooo | and add too in your /etc/hosts, 127.0.0.1 www.yournewname.com |
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| 19:58.00 | jetscreamer | smallfoot-: fix it up and find yourself a sponsor |
| 19:58.10 | jetscreamer | !sponser |
| 19:58.12 | totooo | the server need to know what www.yourname.com is itself |
| 19:58.13 | jetscreamer | !sponsor |
| 19:58.13 | dpkg | sponsor is probably a DD that uploads a package prepared by a maintainer that is not (yet) a DD, therefore trusting, verifying (hopefully) and accepting responsibility for the maintainer's work. see http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-new-maintainer.en.html#s-mentors |
| 19:58.50 | smallfoot- | 404 url |
| 19:59.04 | smallfoot- | not to mention im too dumb |
| 19:59.06 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:59.24 | tokyojase | I'm trying to use bind here actually |
| 19:59.37 | tokyojase | I don't think I can use virtualhost here |
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| 20:01.02 | itchi | heh, the lenny beta 2 installer can be used within windows to install Debian? |
| 20:01.09 | jetscreamer | there's a request page or something somewhere i 'think' |
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| 20:01.34 | jetscreamer | !tell itchi -about goodbye-windows.com |
| 20:02.03 | NoFearrr | hi all |
| 20:02.06 | NoFearrr | how to create a directory thats make a shortcut to another real directory |
| 20:02.22 | jetscreamer | ln -sn target linkname |
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| 20:02.37 | jetscreamer | or you would mount it with the bind option if you want that |
| 20:02.42 | itchi | jetscreamer: It's not that goodbye stuff, at least, it has changed then |
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| 20:03.07 | jetscreamer | itchi: 'probably' same thing, just not external anymore... but i'm guessing |
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| 20:03.34 | itchi | jetscreamer: Well, i'm testing :-) |
| 20:03.50 | itchi | jetscreamer: I have replaced the HDD of the laptop |
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| 20:05.33 | HardDisk_WP | hi all |
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| 20:05.41 | HardDisk_WP | i have a nfs mount on a unreachable system |
| 20:05.43 | HardDisk_WP | but umount fails |
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| 20:05.45 | tokyojase | hey |
| 20:05.59 | HardDisk_WP | ah nvm, it worked |
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| 20:07.23 | sly007 | I have my custom kernel which I compiled with /dev/rtc0 support, udev does not create the entry although I have the RTC interface /sys/class/rtc/rtc0 entry. On the debian generic kernel, udev does create the /dev/rtc0. How is this possible? |
| 20:07.25 | streuner | wb(r) simonrvn |
| 20:08.32 | sly007 | Also, my custom kernel doesn't automatically make my eth0 interface up, I have to "ifup eth0" at boot, while udev does make the interface up duringn boot. |
| 20:08.37 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 20:08.45 | simonrvn | power surge, electrical storm |
| 20:08.57 | sly007 | What did I miss in my custom kernel configuration that make udev behave differently? |
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| 20:10.54 | HardDisk_WP | how do I see the progress when copying files with cp? |
| 20:11.04 | streuner | use mc :-) |
| 20:11.08 | ekimus | you don't use rsync |
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| 20:11.46 | itchi | jetscreamer: During the install it kept the hostname of my windows |
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| 20:12.59 | DynV | I'm having a problem removing the files from a USB music player. It gave me the error rm: cannot remove `DIR': Read-only file system then I did the command mount . -o remount and now I have the error rm: cannot remove `UNKNOWN': Read-only file system. Can someone give me a hint ? |
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| 20:16.12 | itchi | DynV: Did you try that as root user? |
| 20:16.29 | DynV | itchi: I sudoed it |
| 20:17.41 | DynV | BTW, how can I find the /dev/DIR for my drive, I only know it's /media/DIR |
| 20:18.31 | SEcki | DynV: mount |
| 20:19.05 | itchi | DynV: dmesg |
| 20:19.23 | itchi | DynV: Just watch when plugged the device |
| 20:20.04 | DynV | itchi: DynV: Just watch when plugged the device ? |
| 20:20.26 | itchi | DynV: well, watch dmesg |
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| 20:22.52 | DynV | I don't understand dmesg but my main concern is to delete the files in the USB player |
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| 20:26.24 | DynV | itchi: this is what dmesg give me when I plug hte device, I don't know where to get the /dev directory from that : http://pastebin.com/d379d0e2d |
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| 20:30.50 | itchi | Well, that was installing Debian for super mega noobs :-) Cool that Lenny beta 2 installer. Even my mom could do it, i'm sure |
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| 20:33.05 | jcranmer | wireless broke for me sometime in the past 27 hours |
| 20:33.27 | jcranmer | sudo iwlist wlan0 scan shows this: |
| 20:33.35 | jcranmer | wlan0 No scan results |
| 20:34.35 | Steve` | mine does that sometimes |
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| 20:34.36 | Steve` | i reboot |
| 20:34.47 | amphi | jcranmer: did you remove and modprobe the module? |
| 20:34.56 | jcranmer | which module? |
| 20:34.59 | jcranmer | ath_pci? |
| 20:35.05 | Steve` | the module you use for your card |
| 20:35.07 | amphi | I guess |
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| 20:35.40 | jcranmer | rmmod + modprobe'd it, no difference |
| 20:36.13 | Steve` | reboot tbh |
| 20:36.17 | Steve` | thats what i have to do now |
| 20:36.23 | jcranmer | I have rebooted - thrice |
| 20:36.28 | Steve` | when i rmmod it, i get 'device is in use' :( |
| 20:36.33 | Steve` | od ear |
| 20:36.35 | Steve` | *dear |
| 20:37.23 | jcranmer | the only thing in apt that looks relevant is that I updated wpasupplicant |
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| 20:38.46 | jcranmer | fwiw, I was travelling in Whistler this past week, and it worked fine up there, but when I get home, now it's broken... |
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| 20:40.22 | sineer | Hi! Does anyone happen to know a way to print my current xorg monitor horiz/vert refresh rate/freq. ? |
| 20:40.31 | jcranmer | xrandr |
| 20:40.42 | sineer | thanks! I knew that but its been awhile heh |
| 20:41.06 | sineer | cya |
| 20:41.26 | jcranmer | huh, that explains it |
| 20:41.57 | jcranmer | I turned off the transmitter and forgot to turn it back on ago |
| 20:42.01 | jcranmer | s/ago// |
| 20:42.06 | Steve` | lol |
| 20:42.12 | amphi | Steve`: take down the interface |
| 20:42.16 | Steve` | yeah the off button probably had somwething to do with it |
| 20:42.42 | Steve` | interface is down |
| 20:42.47 | Steve` | i have just been probing with it |
| 20:42.55 | Steve` | i just can't be arsed to reboot cause i lose net |
| 20:42.59 | amphi | I've been caught by the rf_kill switch before; you can disable it by sysfs, at least on mine |
| 20:43.01 | Steve` | and i am getting kung fu panda atm |
| 20:43.14 | Steve` | thats a good idea |
| 20:43.18 | BramuS | and i've already watched kung fu panda |
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| 20:43.28 | Steve` | i waited till the scr |
| 20:43.31 | Steve` | is it any good ? |
| 20:43.36 | BramuS | just watched the scr |
| 20:43.39 | BramuS | yes it was good |
| 20:43.40 | Steve` | oo |
| 20:43.46 | BramuS | quality of screener is also ok |
| 20:43.50 | amphi | I expect so, if you eight years old |
| 20:43.51 | Steve` | sweet |
| 20:43.54 | jcranmer | you'd think that iwlist could give a better error message than "No scan results", although I'm not sure what the specs allow it to query... |
| 20:43.56 | amphi | *you're |
| 20:44.01 | jcranmer | (atheros specs, that is) |
| 20:44.08 | BramuS | [Movies] - Kung.Fu.Panda.SCR.XViD-mVs Released: 2m 20s ago |
| 20:44.11 | BramuS | ;) |
| 20:44.26 | Steve` | 2 mins ? lol |
| 20:44.29 | Steve` | your source was late |
| 20:44.50 | smallfoot- | is debian more harder than ubuntu? |
| 20:44.55 | amphi | !saturday |
| 20:44.55 | dpkg | saturday is, like, Tardsday Eve |
| 20:45.07 | smallfoot- | !ubuntu |
| 20:45.07 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 20:45.09 | BramuS | Steve` that was 4 hours and 20mins ago |
| 20:45.15 | Steve` | debian is easyer ... in my optinon |
| 20:45.26 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 20:45.46 | Steve` | depends what you wanna use it for |
| 20:45.48 | jcranmer | IMO: |
| 20:45.49 | Steve` | and what your putting it on |
| 20:46.02 | jcranmer | ubuntu is easier if you have no idea what's going on, debian is easier if you do |
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| 20:46.16 | Steve` | any repective admin wouldn't install it on a server |
| 20:46.20 | Steve` | but it depends what your into |
| 20:46.24 | BramuS | installed thursday a new Debian server :) |
| 20:46.35 | BramuS | with DirectAdmin |
| 20:46.46 | jcranmer | Ubuntu is definitely geared towards the less, er, technically-minded desktop crowd |
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| 20:47.01 | Steve` | thats a very good way of putting it jcranmer |
| 20:47.02 | Steve` | :) |
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| 20:47.55 | jcranmer | Ubuntu also likes being much more cutting edge |
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| 20:48.17 | Steve` | it also likes to have more vuls |
| 20:48.30 | smallfoot- | so debian is use old software? |
| 20:48.36 | jcranmer | I personally find Debian testing to work very well |
| 20:48.43 | jcranmer | smallfoot-: it depends on which version |
| 20:48.47 | smallfoot- | oh |
| 20:48.54 | Steve` | if you use woody, then yes |
| 20:48.57 | Steve` | (don't use woody) |
| 20:49.16 | amphi | woody? |
| 20:49.16 | jcranmer | points out that Ubuntu shipped out a problematic beta in one of its releases |
| 20:49.28 | Steve` | but its ok if you use ubunut, cause you can still install debian packages :) |
| 20:49.28 | smallfoot- | lenny good? |
| 20:49.41 | Steve` | hardy ... would have been better |
| 20:49.56 | smallfoot- | yeah but ubuntu dont have Songbird, Flock or iFolder in repo |
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| 20:50.09 | jcranmer | debian testing is what I prefer to use: it gets new stuff pretty quickly, but it also tends to filter out some of the bugs |
| 20:50.31 | Steve` | repo wise, its ok to pull what you like from debian sources if thats what floats your boat |
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| 20:57.15 | zyx386 | what i need of my server, if i will run aspx script on debian etch server? |
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| 20:58.11 | Steve` | what do you need on your server if you want to run a aspx script ? |
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| 20:58.49 | Steve` | erm.. a vm with windows on it |
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| 20:59.32 | zyx386 | Steve`, yes i need run aspx scripte on debian etch server? |
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| 21:00.45 | Steve` | http://www.debianadmin.com/running-aspnet-applications-in-debian-and-ubuntu-using-xsp-and-mono.html |
| 21:00.48 | mfrisch | what is the last time online command for irc to find out about a nick? |
| 21:00.51 | Steve` | zyx386 ^^ |
| 21:01.25 | jetscreamer | /whowas ? |
| 21:01.37 | Steve` | i thought that was a bot command |
| 21:01.49 | Steve` | not something built in |
| 21:01.50 | petemc | !seen stew |
| 21:01.50 | dpkg | stew is currently on #debian-ops #debian. Has said a total of 381 messages. Is idling for 3h 26m 30s, last said: 'yes or /ignore #debian JOINS PARTS QUITS'. |
| 21:01.50 | zyx386 | Steve`, i read this article and install all lib and mono toolst is wrong info or is very old, look the comments many problem no answer from the author |
| 21:01.50 | Ms_Cathy | stew is here |
| 21:01.59 | mfrisch | !seen abrotman |
| 21:01.59 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 23h 32m 10s ago, saying: 'pipegeek: the Packages.gz for example'. |
| 21:02.04 | fr00g | hi, sorry for beeing stupid... i have tftpd installed. it is listed in services as a service on port 69. but i don't know how to start it... when i try ro to it with xinetd, it doesn't listen to... |
| 21:02.11 | mfrisch | THANKS |
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| 21:02.32 | Steve` | mono is what your after |
| 21:02.39 | Steve` | i have never used it tho |
| 21:02.56 | Steve` | i stay away from .net, it brings me out in a rash |
| 21:03.14 | jetscreamer | /etc/init.d/tftpd start or so, maybe |
| 21:03.20 | zyx386 | Steve`, thanx but i install all mono lib and tools not worked , itr y it on lenny and etch |
| 21:03.36 | jetscreamer | tft<TABKEY> |
| 21:03.41 | zyx386 | jetscreamer, !? ok |
| 21:04.07 | jetscreamer | zyx386: that was for fr00g |
| 21:04.09 | eljefe_ | I ran an rsync from a Lenny setup that I really liked; now I want to restore it but it seems that all of the folders belong to user 1000 rather than to root and the other system accounts; can I just chown -R root:root for these or is this a lost cause? |
| 21:04.23 | zyx386 | jetscreamer, sorry :) |
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| 21:04.35 | Steve` | what error are you getting ? |
| 21:04.38 | Steve` | does it even load ? |
| 21:04.39 | jetscreamer | eljefe_: you can, but some files need to be suid |
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| 21:04.45 | jetscreamer | about 2 or 3 need it, iirc |
| 21:04.54 | Nyle | OH MAN |
| 21:04.55 | eljefe_ | do you know which? |
| 21:05.00 | Nyle | I just cleaned my ENTIRE house |
| 21:05.03 | Nyle | plus the garage |
| 21:05.11 | Nyle | and then took a shower, shat, shaved |
| 21:05.16 | eljefe_ | so if I chown everything (except /home/user) to root, I should be almost OK? |
| 21:05.18 | jetscreamer | i don't remember... i hosed mine, and simonrvn gave me a list of which... iirc |
| 21:05.21 | Nyle | now I'm so sparkly clean and all vaelined up |
| 21:05.25 | zyx386 | Steve`, i restartb wthe webserver but aspx dont worked |
| 21:05.29 | Nyle | mmmm, soft skin, I bet chics will dig me today |
| 21:05.30 | Nyle | ;) |
| 21:05.37 | Nyle | and my shave is soo smooth |
| 21:05.39 | Nyle | I'm the man! |
| 21:05.40 | jetscreamer | wtg nyle now nobody will know it's your apt |
| 21:05.49 | Nyle | lol |
| 21:06.08 | jetscreamer | oh hey did you rem to wipe? |
| 21:06.13 | Steve` | apache logs maybe able to help |
| 21:06.13 | jetscreamer | after you shat |
| 21:06.19 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:06.21 | Steve` | unless it gives you an error, you can't really do much |
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| 21:06.35 | zyx386 | Steve ok |
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| 21:06.46 | eljefe_ | or jetscreamer is there a way to have Apt reinstall all the current packages, which may also then reset their permissions? |
| 21:06.48 | Steve` | then, you just google the error |
| 21:06.51 | jetscreamer | eljefe_: yeah... copuple things wont work as $USER, iirc, but other than that... |
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| 21:07.11 | jetscreamer | uh there is a reinstall option, but i can'tswear it will change the perms |
| 21:07.14 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 21:07.14 | dpkg | [reinstall] aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 21:07.43 | Steve` | if you rip out the old version with purge, it will do a fresh install with the right perms |
| 21:07.48 | stew | petemc: ? |
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| 21:07.55 | jayeola | grrr - thinkpad x30 + lenny beta = grrr! |
| 21:08.04 | eljefe_ | maybe thats a better idea, reset to root; get my selectiosn in a text file; reinstall from scratch, and then reinstall packages. Daang. |
| 21:08.07 | jetscreamer | jayeola: i have a T20... don't whine :) |
| 21:08.23 | eljefe_ | Steve`: thats about right but I don't want to rip out everything |
| 21:08.23 | Nyle | jetscreamer, we don't wipe |
| 21:08.30 | jetscreamer | ewww |
| 21:08.33 | Nyle | jetscreamer, what we do is called Istanja |
| 21:08.34 | jetscreamer | bidet? |
| 21:08.35 | jayeola | yah, so what to do? i close the lid and pffft! |
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| 21:08.36 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 21:08.41 | Nyle | jetscreamer, we have a thing called LOTA |
| 21:08.45 | debCarlos | Hi, i have a doubt with screen savers and the lifetime of a laptop. If i disable the screensaver and put the screen to "sleep" after 15 minutes, will i enchance its lifetime |
| 21:08.46 | debCarlos | ? |
| 21:08.50 | xand | is it normal that i have to run "ifconfig wlan0 up" before network-manager will let me use wireless? |
| 21:08.51 | Nyle | and we like to stay clean, after piss or shit, we wash our privates |
| 21:08.53 | Nyle | :) |
| 21:08.55 | Nyle | THEN we use toilet paper |
| 21:08.58 | Nyle | too graphic, too much info |
| 21:09.01 | Nyle | ok i'll shut up now |
| 21:09.02 | Nyle | bye |
| 21:09.03 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 21:09.05 | ma3x | haha |
| 21:09.05 | stew | Nyle: please take this conversation elsewhere |
| 21:09.06 | jetscreamer | too much |
| 21:09.16 | jetscreamer | i prefer not to be messy in the first place though |
| 21:09.29 | stew | jetscreamer: please take this conversation elsewhere |
| 21:09.41 | lbt | I just upgrade my nfs-common (testing) and found my username mapped to 'nobody' - is this a known issue |
| 21:09.42 | jetscreamer | stew: it's not MY conversation :) |
| 21:09.55 | ma3x | hey stew just wanted to tell you about the conversation we had the other day about intel's driver. I booted 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 and xorg won't launch with intel |
| 21:11.12 | jetscreamer | will it with vesa? |
| 21:11.28 | jayeola | um, all i want to do is to be able to close the lid, (on battery or ac) and to be able to run this OS without haing to poweroff. what does one have to do/hack in /etc/ or proc to get this going? |
| 21:11.30 | ma3x | stew: what i did was: changed sources.list etch <-> lenny, quickly installed xorg and libgl1-mesa-dri and then changed back sources.list to lenny |
| 21:11.47 | ma3x | jetscreamer: vesa sucks! you don't get xv |
| 21:11.54 | ma3x | you'd have to -zoom |
| 21:12.00 | simonrvn | lbt: it's not "an issue" it's a feature |
| 21:12.01 | jetscreamer | ma3x: i just mean, does it load? |
| 21:12.13 | ma3x | yes with 'vesa' xorg launches without problem |
| 21:12.23 | ma3x | but not with 'intel' or 'i810' |
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| 21:12.35 | jetscreamer | jayeola: if you mean suspend/hibernate, you want to look at swsusp or something like that.. i know nothing though |
| 21:12.35 | ma3x | does applies for all kernel images in etch |
| 21:12.37 | petemc | stew: sorry, was demonstrating how to use a bot command |
| 21:12.59 | stew | ma3x: why are you telling me this? |
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| 21:13.07 | amphi | jayeola: does /sys/power/state exist? |
| 21:13.09 | lbt | simonrvn: seriously - any pointers to a workaround? it kinda screwed with my nfs-mounted home... !! |
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| 21:13.23 | jayeola | takes notes and remember that he could close a lid in the past.. |
| 21:13.34 | ma3x | stew: because you told me to use the newer kernel in etch, and that intel works with it! but it doesnt! |
| 21:13.47 | jetscreamer | !blame stew |
| 21:13.47 | dpkg | blames jair and stew for the end of the world as we know it |
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| 21:13.55 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 21:14.00 | ma3x | not blaming him just letting him know |
| 21:14.00 | amphi | jayeola: what do you want to happen when you close it? suspend to ram? suspend to disk? |
| 21:14.02 | jayeola | amphi: /sys/power/state: ASCII text |
| 21:14.03 | stew | ma3x: you told me that it works with a newer kernel. i told you NOT to mix stable and testing |
| 21:14.20 | amphi | jayeola: what do you see if you cat it |
| 21:14.22 | amphi | ? |
| 21:14.27 | stew | ma3x: if you upgraded to testing, why are you running an etch kernel? |
| 21:14.31 | ma3x | stew: it works with kernels from lenny/sid but not from etch |
| 21:14.43 | jayeola | amphi: so far i just want to close the lid and have this laptop just "gimme X" when I open it again |
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| 21:14.56 | jetscreamer | i guess he wants hibernate to disk |
| 21:15.08 | jayeola | cat /sys/power/state mem disk |
| 21:15.13 | ma3x | stew: i didn't upgrade to testing, i just installed xorg and libgl1-mesa-dri from testing and some dependencies. system is still stable |
| 21:15.15 | jetscreamer | afk |
| 21:15.20 | stew | ma3x: pleaes stop addressing me |
| 21:15.27 | ma3x | stew: ok whatever |
| 21:15.30 | jetscreamer | ma3x: guess why they have backports.org |
| 21:15.37 | ma3x | they dont have xorg on backports |
| 21:15.48 | jetscreamer | ok.. so guess why not |
| 21:15.52 | ma3x | rather some silly package like xchat |
| 21:15.54 | lbt | FWIW, I'm also running ldap nss and get: libnfsidmap: requested translation method, 'nsswitch', is not available |
| 21:15.57 | simonrvn | lbt: don't _squash anything. and i *was* being serious. |
| 21:16.03 | ma3x | why not? |
| 21:16.05 | simonrvn | lbt: man exports |
| 21:16.13 | amphi | jayeola: you can try 'echo mem > /sys/power/state' and see if the machine suspends to ram and resumes ok; if it does, you can put that command in a lid script in /etc/acpi, called by an appropriate file in /etc/acpi/events/ |
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| 21:16.17 | ma3x | cause it's difficult to compile, and it has like 20-30 deps |
| 21:16.19 | jetscreamer | because it doesn't work? |
| 21:16.26 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 21:16.31 | jetscreamer | afk |
| 21:16.38 | ma3x | what doesnt work? xorg in testing? |
| 21:16.50 | amphi | xorg in testing works fine |
| 21:16.54 | ma3x | that's rie |
| 21:17.00 | ma3x | rite |
| 21:17.15 | simonrvn | "right" |
| 21:17.24 | ma3x | but not in etch with 3d |
| 21:17.51 | lbt | OK - but my server is serving a mix of systems - some require no_root_squash |
| 21:18.00 | lbt | and it hasn't changed, just the client |
| 21:18.24 | amphi | ma3x: eh? what mess do you have there? |
| 21:19.06 | jhutchins | I seem to be missing apache2-ssl-certificate - what do I need to install besides apache2? |
| 21:19.12 | ma3x | amphi: not a mess. i have etch with xorg (+deps) from testing |
| 21:19.26 | ma3x | it absolutely doesn't harm etch |
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| 21:19.32 | lbt | and simonrvn: the mount options were those defined in the debian autofs5 auto.net file |
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| 21:19.42 | lbt | so no manual hackery |
| 21:19.46 | amphi | ma3x: and mesa from testing? |
| 21:19.59 | ma3x | amphi: yes that too |
| 21:20.02 | simonrvn | that's nice. that tells me nothing. |
| 21:20.27 | lbt | me? |
| 21:20.34 | simonrvn | afk. bbl. |
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| 21:20.39 | stew | ma3x: mixing stable and testing is NOT ok. its strongly recommended against, and not supported. Please stop saying it is ok, lest someone else believes you and breaks their system too |
| 21:20.40 | amphi | and what kernel? I would imagine the drm module needs to be appropriate for the intel driver and the version of mesa |
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| 21:21.20 | ma3x | Linux localhost 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 #1 SMP Mon Jul 21 11:17:43 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:21.27 | ma3x | it works perfect for me! |
| 21:21.54 | amphi | so why are you complaining? ;) |
| 21:22.09 | ma3x | im not |
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| 21:23.05 | ma3x | im just saying intel gfx don't work well with etch (no 3d, no xv....) |
| 21:23.07 | ma3x | http://www.nabble.com/no-Compiz-with-Intel-GMA-X3100-td18378034.html |
| 21:23.19 | eljefe_ | !instal |
| 21:23.24 | eljefe_ | !reinstall |
| 21:23.24 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
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| 21:23.46 | ma3x | as you see, those guys say no compiz without xorg and lib dri mesa from testing |
| 21:23.59 | zyx386 | hi |
| 21:24.02 | zyx386 | again |
| 21:24.14 | zyx386 | how can i fix this error http://paste.debian.net/13692/ |
| 21:24.15 | zyx386 | ? |
| 21:25.00 | flowr | does it happend that 'aptitude install software' reinstalls older dependencies? I.e. that I have python2.5 and it wants to install 2.4 |
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| 21:25.34 | amphi | ma3x: intel 3d didn't work on etch before you made this mess? |
| 21:25.50 | stew | flowr: 2.4 is the default python in stable, so most packages with a python dependency in stable would depend on python 2.4 |
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| 21:26.09 | ma3x | amphi: it didn't work it doesn't work (i did fresh install too) |
| 21:26.41 | flowr | stew: Will it replace my python2.5? |
| 21:26.44 | amphi | I haven't tried intel with etch, but I'm somewhat incredulous |
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| 21:28.14 | zyx386 | how can i fix this error http://paste.debian.net/13692/ ? |
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| 21:28.29 | stew | flowr: no, python2.4 and python2.5 will coexist |
| 21:29.24 | ma3x | amphi: im telling you, that's the truth i tried it with both kernels linux-image-2.6.18-6-686 and linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-686 |
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| 21:29.35 | flowr | stew: how about other dependencies? are there those which replaces eachother |
| 21:29.44 | newsense | chi-town! |
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| 21:29.57 | stew | flowr: i don't understand the question, can you be more specific? |
| 21:30.41 | newsense | amit`: where ya from im on 143rd st |
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| 21:32.13 | flowr | stew: Is there a risk that 'aptitude install' downgrades anything? |
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| 21:33.01 | amphi | ma3x: well, people seem to be running compiz on intel on etch without problems, for example... |
| 21:33.21 | ma3x | amphi: maybe other cards. not GMA965 |
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| 21:33.39 | Ekinoks | hi |
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| 21:34.06 | amphi | i965 is newer than etch, so I'm not too surprised |
| 21:34.22 | ma3x | amphi: you read the link? many people are reporting problems with xorg+etch for that specific card gma965 chipset |
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| 21:34.55 | micols | will software raid work with singlebit errors on disks (raid5) ? |
| 21:35.00 | newsense | ive seen a couple in here today with that problem |
| 21:35.01 | Maxz | ma3x, you are right, a friend has GMA965 card, TEXTURE FROM PIXMAP doesn't work |
| 21:35.08 | amphi | I'm not surprised; a fragment shader problem was only recently fixed in the driver in testing, for example |
| 21:35.35 | amphi | texture_from_pixmap does work (in testing ;) |
| 21:36.08 | Maxz | I try again :) |
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| 21:36.17 | Nazcafan | hello |
| 21:36.24 | ma3x | Maxz: so what does he use? 'vesa' ? |
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| 21:36.41 | ekimus | hmm what is the last thing that is done before filesystems are umounted? (trying to sync /var from tmpfs to a location that will save the info) |
| 21:36.48 | Maxz | ma3x, intel driver, I remember |
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| 21:36.53 | stew | flowr: aptitude install usuall shouldn't in general downgrade things, in the case that it decides that it is the best way to solve a dependency problem, it would give you a warning before it does |
| 21:37.06 | stew | flowr: it would say something like "the following packages will be DOWNGRADED" |
| 21:37.10 | ma3x | Maxz: xorg in etch doesn't launch using the 'intel' driver |
| 21:37.13 | stew | flowr: if you are running stable, this should never happen |
| 21:37.29 | Nazcafan | I noticed that this page http://www.developpez.net/forums/ renders pretty ugly (aliased fonts) until the ms true type core fonts are installed, is this a bug? to which package should I report it against? |
| 21:37.42 | amphi | ma3x: why not just run testing? |
| 21:38.18 | micols | will software raid recovery work with singlebit errors on disks (raid5) ? |
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| 21:39.09 | Nazcafan | mhh, I should add that I am refering of iceweasel 3 rendering |
| 21:39.15 | flowr | k |
| 21:39.34 | flowr | Is there any good picuter viewer for gnome? |
| 21:39.43 | Nazcafan | eye of gnome ? |
| 21:39.55 | amphi | gthumb? gqview? |
| 21:40.00 | Nazcafan | flowr: there is no good app |
| 21:40.15 | Nazcafan | flowr: there only exist apps that fit to YOUR needs |
| 21:40.42 | flowr | gqview will do :P |
| 21:40.53 | flowr | well.. something light but fully functional* |
| 21:41.06 | flowr | like the one in windows vista |
| 21:41.09 | flowr | or xp maybe |
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| 21:41.27 | sladi | floe: I like ristretto |
| 21:41.29 | flowr | I dont ned tons of list and buttons... just maybe 4 of them |
| 21:41.32 | dj_oko | hello there |
| 21:41.33 | rm | Mirage is nice |
| 21:41.33 | amphi | gqview is excellent |
| 21:41.53 | Nazcafan | I like eye of gnome |
| 21:42.09 | fr00g | hi, i have tftpd installed. it is listed in services as a service on port 69. but i don't know how to start it... when i try to do it with xinetd, it doesn't listen to... neither with in.tftpd |
| 21:42.09 | Nazcafan | but never tried the above mentionned ones |
| 21:43.01 | flowr | oh nvm.. I allready had one. I just hadnt specified the path for it.. |
| 21:43.09 | ma3x | amphi: good question! well basically i have a patch for 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1 for ipw3945. later kernels use iwl3945 (not good) so I don't need newer than ipw3945 and 2.6.24-etchnhalf.1 |
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| 21:44.15 | amphi | ma3x: the patch doesn't apply to the 2.6.25 in testing? |
| 21:44.20 | eljefe_ | The dpkg bot here says to run this to reinstall the same packages, but nothing happens: "dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install" |
| 21:44.28 | znh | Helllo. I can't Java to work in Iceweasel. I installed the packages sun-java5-jre and sun-java5-jdk |
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| 21:45.23 | ma3x | amphi: nope it doesn't |
| 21:45.33 | znh | !java |
| 21:45.33 | dpkg | i heard java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. |
| 21:45.50 | znh | !query dpkg |
| 21:45.51 | ma3x | amphi: http://james.colannino.org/downloads.html it says it does, but i couldn't apply it |
| 21:46.12 | DawnLigh1 | hello. i don't have the Mod4 button in my thinkpad so what can i use, instead for awesome? |
| 21:47.05 | dondelelcaro | DawnLigh1: map a key to Mod4. |
| 21:47.21 | dondelelcaro | DawnLigh1: I suggest picking one of the alt keys or one of the windows keys. |
| 21:47.26 | beardy | DawnLigh1: What key is it usually? |
| 21:47.43 | beardy | Alt Gr? |
| 21:48.34 | beardy | DawnLigh1: Try Ctrl-Alt, maybe it's already mapped. If that is what you mean. |
| 21:49.00 | DawnLigh1 | it is usually the windows key, which i don't have |
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| 21:49.15 | amphi | ma3x: apply it to what? the out-of-tree driver? |
| 21:49.16 | DawnLigh1 | how do i map a button to Mod4? |
| 21:49.28 | beardy | Must be a nice old little machine. |
| 21:49.54 | DawnLigh1 | it is a thinkpad t30 |
| 21:50.11 | DawnLigh1 | they don't makem with windows buttons |
| 21:50.28 | amphi | DawnLigh1: xmodmap -e 'add Mod4 = keycode' |
| 21:50.37 | amphi | IIRC |
| 21:50.44 | amphi | DawnLigh1: I use capslock here |
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| 21:51.00 | DawnLigh1 | amphi: does that survive x sessions? |
| 21:51.00 | ma3x | amphi: did you say something? |
| 21:51.28 | amphi | DawnLigh1: if you use that, you'll want to do "xmodmap -e 'remove Lock = Caps_Lock'" first |
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| 21:51.50 | DawnLigh1 | i like capslock |
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| 21:52.11 | amphi | DawnLigh1: so use another key; you need to have xmodmap do that when you start X |
| 21:52.13 | DawnLigh1 | how do i know the keycode for a specific button? |
| 21:52.23 | dondelelcaro | DawnLigh1: use xev |
| 21:52.43 | beardy | DawnLigh1: scankey (IIRC..) |
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| 21:54.46 | DawnLigh1 | great |
| 21:54.53 | DawnLigh1 | ya'll are great |
| 21:56.22 | dondelelcaro | DawnLigh1: if you want an example, see http://svn.donarmstrong.com/don/trunk/home_modules/x_base/.xsession and .awesomerc there. |
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| 22:03.26 | ma3x | man etch really sucks! |
| 22:03.34 | znh | ma3x: how come? |
| 22:03.36 | ma3x | i mean not so much etch, but packages in it |
| 22:03.38 | nuxis | Hey, I'm poking arround with ruby-wmii, now I want to read the file config-help but therefore I need xmessage, the problem now is; I don't have it, I found it its in x11-utils but that package is not avaible in the stable release or a problem with my sources.list, someone can help me out? |
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| 22:04.07 | ma3x | znh: i want to download youtube video |
| 22:04.16 | ScarFace98 | Could i dule boot Debian etch and hardy and home directory across to Distributions on two differrnt harddrives? |
| 22:04.25 | ma3x | znh: etch has youtube-dl, while testing/lenny has clive |
| 22:04.35 | ma3x | youtube-dl is buggy/doesn't work |
| 22:04.59 | znh | ma3x: hm. pitty. you can try downloadhelper for iceweasel - did the job for many sites for me |
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| 22:05.52 | ekimus | hmm how do I specify a bind mount in fstab - or better what fstype should i enter? |
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| 22:06.34 | Assid | hi |
| 22:06.53 | Assid | if im just doing a new box right now, does it make sense to move it straightr to lenny |
| 22:07.03 | dondelelcaro | Assid: depends on what you're doing. |
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| 22:07.10 | DawnLigh1 | clive is in etch-backports |
| 22:07.27 | Assid | dondelelcaro: certain amount of webhosting.. and asterisk |
| 22:07.30 | rm | ekimus, "bind" in the options column |
| 22:07.37 | rm | afair |
| 22:07.45 | nuxis | Someone can help me with the xmessage problem? |
| 22:07.45 | dondelelcaro | Assid: I'd just use etch then. |
| 22:07.49 | totooo | max3 => keepvods.com |
| 22:08.00 | totooo | keepvid.com |
| 22:08.08 | rm | ekimus, yep, fstype "none", options "bind" |
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| 22:09.25 | ekimus | thanks |
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| 22:13.08 | stevedondley | hi, when I run "source ~/.bashrc" it does not reload the bashrc file. any ideas? |
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| 22:16.02 | Asgaroth | I'm trying to run startx by default on startup with this line in inittab: x:5:respawn:/bin/su asgaroth -l -c "/bin/bash --login -c startx >/dev/null 2>&1". X doesn't start and after a while I get the message that "Id:5 is respawning too fast". What is the cause of this? |
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| 22:21.29 | stew | Asgaroth: why not use a display manager? |
| 22:21.42 | allos_nerelin | as unpack bz2 in debian? |
| 22:21.45 | stew | Asgaroth: you can, for instance, run gdm at startup, and if you want, have it auto-login as a certain user |
| 22:21.58 | stew | allos_nerelin: what? |
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| 22:22.09 | Asgaroth | stew: I'm using that on a 2gig usb drive in a qemu image, so I'm concerned about size and starting time. |
| 22:23.05 | stew | Asgaroth: have you checked /var/log/Xorg.0.log? what about redirecting stdout/stderr to a file instead of /dev/null? |
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| 22:24.07 | allos_nerelin | stew |
| 22:24.09 | allos_nerelin | |
| 22:24.09 | allos_nerelin | as unpacking a file bz2 in debian? |
| 22:24.16 | stew | allos_nerelin: as? |
| 22:24.28 | stew | allos_nerelin: are you asking "how do i unpack a bz2 file"? |
| 22:24.42 | allos_nerelin | yes |
| 22:24.43 | allos_nerelin | ^^ |
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| 22:25.06 | stew | allos_nerelin: bzip2 -d or bunzip2 |
| 22:25.24 | stew | that is to decompress a bz2. if it is a tar.bz2, /msg dpkg tar |
| 22:25.36 | stew | !unp |
| 22:25.36 | dpkg | hmm... unp is a tool to run an appropriate unpacking/extracting program for various compressed file formats. It tells loudly if the appropriate program (eg. unrar) is not installed and how to install it. |
| 22:26.45 | allos_nerelin | file ptlink.tar.bz2 |
| 22:28.32 | allos_nerelin | stew http://pastebin.com/m7d5ae30 |
| 22:28.34 | allos_nerelin | =\ |
| 22:29.07 | stew | allos_nerelin: aptitude install bzip2 |
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| 22:30.06 | gladideg | I get: EBDA is big; kernel setup stack overlaps LILO -> on a fresh Debian install... Why? Even tried with Ubuntu and same error. |
| 22:30.17 | Asgaroth | ah I found the error "user not authorized to run X" in the output of startx when run by init, but normally that user can startx without problems |
| 22:30.23 | stew | gladideg: which kernel version? |
| 22:30.34 | stew | Asgaroth: dpkg-reconfigure x11-common |
| 22:30.58 | Asgaroth | stew thanks |
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| 22:31.59 | gladideg | stew, it's the latest one from the debian.org (stable) |
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| 22:32.12 | gladideg | stew, not sure right now I'm on another computer |
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| 22:32.28 | allos_nerelin | stew http://pastebin.com/d450c6d1e |
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| 22:32.51 | gladideg | stew, it started when I was installing XEN on ubuntu... Got the this LILO error msg, and reinstalled 3-4 times to Ubuntu and debian... still it's there |
| 22:33.43 | stew | allos_nerelin: /msg dpkg tar |
| 22:34.26 | stew | gladideg: which? 2.6.18 or 2.6.24? |
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| 22:34.49 | fr00g | hi, i have tftpd installed. it is listed in services as a service on port 69. but i don't know how to start it... when i try to do it with xinetd, it doesn't listen to... neither with in.tftpd |
| 22:34.52 | ScarFace98 | O yea i love my coomputer to pecies |
| 22:34.53 | stew | gladideg: i know there are problems with lilo and newer debian kernels that the initrd is too big, i don't know if this is the problem you are having |
| 22:35.03 | stew | gladideg: the problem started with either 2.6.24 or 2.6.25 |
| 22:35.09 | allos_nerelin | stew http://pastebin.com/d2c44c583 |
| 22:35.22 | stew | dpkg: tell allos_nerelin about tar |
| 22:35.43 | gladideg | stew, I reinstalled a Ubuntu version that worked earlier, and it gives the same error... May there be some boot info still on the disk, even if I reinstall? |
| 22:36.10 | stew | gladideg: if you run 'lilo' the boot sector gets replaced |
| 22:36.43 | gladideg | stew, Ok. But I need to get into system... It halts right after boot |
| 22:37.02 | gladideg | I need to start from CD and mount / then I suppose |
| 22:37.04 | stew | gladideg: boot a rescue cd or an install cd (which can be used as a rescue cd) or a live cd |
| 22:37.22 | allos_nerelin | thanksss |
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| 22:37.41 | allos_nerelin | http://pastebin.com/d19bc3792 help-me help-me please!!! |
| 22:38.19 | Maxz | allos_nerelin, please install GCC |
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| 22:38.48 | stew | allos_nerelin: aptitude install build-essential |
| 22:39.18 | allos_nerelin | o/ |
| 22:39.20 | allos_nerelin | thnakssss |
| 22:39.23 | allos_nerelin | thanksss |
| 22:40.17 | gladideg | stew, yes I'll try that |
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| 22:42.33 | allos_nerelin | http://pastebin.com/m294784fd |
| 22:42.51 | allos_nerelin | yet the error |
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| 22:45.28 | LV_426 | is it possible to bind twice to the same port when using pseudo nics [eth1:x] ? |
| 22:45.32 | allos_nerelin | stew http://pastebin.com/m294784fd |
| 22:45.51 | stew | allos_nerelin: aptitude install build-essential |
| 22:46.26 | stew | LV_426: you can bind once to each ip/port pair |
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| 22:46.47 | allos_nerelin | stew http://pastebin.com/m1b5d875e |
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| 22:47.39 | Maxz | allos_nerelin, apt-get update |
| 22:48.54 | LV_426 | stew, well giving the pseudo nics different ip's dosen't seem to do the trick... netstat shows it as if they're all going for 127.0.0.1 instead of the pseudo addresses... wondering if its at all possible |
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| 22:49.50 | guysoft422 | um, does anyone know how to compile libx11 without xcb support on debian? |
| 22:49.58 | norton- | I've noticed that on one of my Debian systems the less program can handle gzipped files directly, while on the other system I need to pipe it manually. What is it that makes the first system handle gzipped files automatically? |
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| 22:50.31 | stew | LV_426: it is possible |
| 22:50.32 | gladideg | is there a way to "nuke" the disk, and reinstall debian from scratch? I actually thought the installer would take care of this, but maybe not the boot sectors? Since LILO sticks, and it's not even in the debina file structure on the distro I use |
| 22:51.08 | mingwu | I installed geoip mod, but I only see country name but not city , it was installed via debian mod_geoip package, is this a configure problem? |
| 22:51.45 | allos_nerelin | stew Maxz http://pastebin.com/m5b721f99 |
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| 22:52.41 | stew | allos_nerelin: you still haven't installed the build-essential package |
| 22:52.58 | stew | gladideg: the debian installer would replace the boot sector |
| 22:53.10 | stew | (assuming it completes successfully) |
| 22:53.18 | gladideg | stew, that is so strange... |
| 22:53.40 | gladideg | stew, I can install even old distros that has been working forever... And they all give this error msg |
| 22:54.26 | allos_nerelin | stew |
| 22:54.26 | allos_nerelin | already installed ... even more of the error! |
| 22:54.43 | stew | allos_nerelin: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy build-essential' |
| 22:54.54 | rm | gladideg, if in doubt, use dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/your-disk for a couple of seconds :) |
| 22:55.24 | rm | this will overwrite mbr, partition table and some first megabytes with zeroes |
| 22:55.48 | gladideg | rm ok :) |
| 22:56.12 | allos_nerelin | stew http://pastebin.com/m2cb5ed96 |
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| 22:57.27 | gladideg | it seems I have both grub and lilo on the mbr, but debian tries to install grub |
| 22:57.59 | gladideg | if it is correct that way, correct me if I'm wrong |
| 22:58.47 | stew | allos_nerelin: aptitude install build-essential |
| 22:59.13 | allos_nerelin | ok |
| 22:59.15 | allos_nerelin | thanks |
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| 23:03.23 | ekimus | hmm can't apt-get install by priority? |
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| 23:04.41 | Flinx | I'm having some problems with my Audigy2 LS card |
| 23:04.56 | Flinx | I found a forums post discussing it and I've still got a couple of questions. |
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| 23:06.12 | Flinx | Do I need an Audio group? |
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| 23:37.20 | Flinx | how do I restart the alsa service? |
| 23:38.32 | peppe | Flinx: hm? alsa isn't a "service" |
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| 23:39.41 | jetscreamer | Flinx: if you just added yourself to the audio group, log out and log back in |
| 23:40.25 | Flinx | I got it ( /etc/init.d/alsa reload ) |
| 23:40.48 | micols | anyone experienced single-bit errors during RAID recovery in software raid, linux? |
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| 23:58.43 | Steve` | anyone networky ? |
| 23:58.53 | Steve` | i am having issues with iwconfig |
| 23:58.57 | Steve` | and setting essid |
| 23:59.04 | Steve` | sometimes it doesn't set |
| 23:59.08 | Steve` | and ignores my command |
| 23:59.24 | Steve` | sometimes it randomly changes to something else thats within the scan range |
| 23:59.35 | Steve` | it complains about the network being down |
| 23:59.44 | Steve` | i don't know if i am having driver issues or what |
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