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| 00:11.35 | s3a | i want to install debian on my laptops hd but im on desktop and i put the laptops hd in a usb enclosure and i want to back up the data bcuz it was previously ubuntu to another larger external hd but the other external hd (250 gb hd) is giving me problems, any1 no how to force it to mount? |
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| 00:11.55 | s3a | im on a ubuntu live cd atm |
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| 00:15.16 | s3a | how do u no which drive is like sde or sda or wtv those names r |
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| 00:18.44 | themill | !u |
| 00:18.44 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:18.45 | abrotman | !wud |
| 00:18.45 | dpkg | nun uv us wull unswer yu uf yu ask luke u murun. |
| 00:19.04 | abrotman | s3a: and ask #ubuntu how their live CD works |
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| 00:20.36 | s3a | abrotman: ok i asked and sudo fdisk -l did it and showed me it was /dev/sdc so wen i used debian etch sum1 said i can do sudo gedit /etc/pmount.allow in and it worked for the particular problem but now im trying to add that here and its not makign my hd work, there is however an error mesage but i had tried doing wat it said ojnce and it failed |
| 00:20.48 | abrotman | s3a: and ask #ubuntu how their live CD works |
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| 00:22.36 | themill | "an error message".... it would be more helpful to tell #ubuntu what that error message was... |
| 00:23.45 | KleinerHa1 | how do i open a new database in mysql? |
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| 00:23.53 | KleinerHa1 | I've just logged in. |
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| 00:24.12 | jescis | Hello all |
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| 00:24.25 | KleinerHa1 | I need a new mysql database for joomla. |
| 00:24.39 | peppe | KleinerHa1: hm? CREATE DATABASE newdatabasename; ? |
| 00:24.47 | jescis | I converted my friend from an ubuntu to a debian user \o/ |
| 00:24.53 | KleinerHa1 | Ah! Thank you, peppe |
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| 00:26.00 | peppe | jescis: expect all kind of complains like "but under ubuntu this thing was automatic why under debian I should use the terminal for doing it" |
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| 00:26.43 | abrotman | KleinerHa1: FWIW .. there is quite a bit of documentation at mysql.com |
| 00:26.45 | ma3x | 283 million source code lines |
| 00:26.47 | ma3x | is this the kernel only? |
| 00:27.08 | ma3x | does debian's kernel contain so many lines? |
| 00:27.12 | abrotman | find out |
| 00:27.16 | themill | dpkg: tell ma3x about google |
| 00:27.27 | ma3x | A university's study concluded that Debian's 283 million source code lines would cost US$10 billion to develop by proprietary means.[5] |
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| 00:27.43 | ma3x | does that mean only debian, or base-packages including? |
| 00:27.51 | abrotman | we have no idea |
| 00:27.57 | abrotman | we didn't do the study |
| 00:28.08 | themill | ma3x: go read reference 5 |
| 00:28.08 | peppe | ma3x: hint: that [5] is very likely a link to that study |
| 00:28.17 | ma3x | so debian's worth $10 billion to develop? |
| 00:28.18 | abrotman | CLICKING IS HARD |
| 00:28.19 | ma3x | are you kidding me? |
| 00:28.26 | abrotman | ma3x: read the freaking story .. don't ask us |
| 00:28.55 | themill | ma3x: that's probably fair. A lot of people have spent a lot of time writing the code and providing support for idiots on IRC |
| 00:29.21 | peppe | themill: that was just evil. :-P |
| 00:29.34 | themill | ma3x: also ask google about the sloccount utility. |
| 00:30.08 | themill | peppe: yep |
| 00:30.15 | ma3x | is the kernel written in c++ ? |
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| 00:30.32 | abrotman | ma3x: ask #kernel |
| 00:30.36 | themill | ma3x: look yourself. Ask google. Learn to fish. Think. |
| 00:30.37 | jelly-hme | ##kernel |
| 00:31.11 | ma3x | ok how do you google that for example? 'debian kernel written in' |
| 00:31.12 | jescis | peppe, my friend tried fedora 8 before going to debian. And the people at #fedora were like "your an idiot for not knowing how to do a task everyone here can do" ;) |
| 00:31.18 | ma3x | or 'debian kernel programmed in' |
| 00:31.23 | ma3x | or what exactly do you type? |
| 00:31.41 | ma3x | those first page results i receive, i don't see any ref |
| 00:31.57 | themill | ma3x: how about "linux kernel language" the first link of which is the wikipedia entry for the linux kernel, the first line of which says ... |
| 00:32.02 | peppe | ma3x: there are various heuristics to estimate the "cost" of software just looking at its source (and/or how this source evolved). google for those. combine them to the software that is shipped by debian, and you'll get the 10$billion estimate |
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| 00:32.23 | JordiGH | OpenJDK is in unstable. Yay! |
| 00:32.31 | JordiGH | Does this mean there's no need anymore for sun-java-jre6? |
| 00:32.45 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: test your apps and tell us. |
| 00:32.46 | themill | JordiGH: has been for a couple of weeks. It's a bit rough around the edges in places. |
| 00:32.50 | Rienzilha | there have always been free java implmentations in debian |
| 00:32.54 | Rienzilha | afaik |
| 00:33.06 | themill | Rienzilha: some of them have even worked for a small subset of apps... |
| 00:33.09 | JordiGH | Rienzilha: None which passed those whatever tests before. |
| 00:33.13 | Rienzilha | I know that :) |
| 00:33.16 | Rienzilha | openjdk does? |
| 00:33.32 | themill | did on fedora a while back |
| 00:33.32 | JordiGH | Rienzilha: That's what the press is saying. That OpenJDK is a full implementation of Java 6. |
| 00:33.37 | Rienzilha | cool |
| 00:33.45 | JordiGH | beta-tests. |
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| 00:34.06 | jescis | !moron ma3x |
| 00:34.06 | dpkg | ma3x: You are moron #50 |
| 00:34.11 | JordiGH | aptitude install openjdk-6-jre sun-java6-jre- |
| 00:34.39 | jelly-hme | that time I tried "icedtea", it failed miserably on the first app (a well known bittorrent client) |
| 00:34.39 | peppe | JordiGH: hmm... does it ship a ns plugin too? |
| 00:34.43 | ma3x | if the kernel is for all linuxes, then what is debian? |
| 00:34.58 | JordiGH | peppe: A netscape plugin? I think it does. |
| 00:34.58 | abrotman | ma3x: go to debian.org and READ |
| 00:35.06 | Rienzilha | I sense a troll :) |
| 00:35.10 | wire | a GNU/Linux distro |
| 00:35.10 | themill | ma3x: you're either stupid, lazy or a troll. Which is it? |
| 00:35.18 | jelly-hme | ma3x: is there a reason for your asking these questions? |
| 00:35.37 | ma3x | An operating system is the set of basic programs and utilities that make your computer run |
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| 00:35.55 | themill | !sunday |
| 00:35.55 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:35.56 | ma3x | so the kernel has nothing to do with debian, it's just a general linux kernel |
| 00:35.59 | cplx | anyone here used APC rack air removal unit's (for SX racks) |
| 00:36.17 | ma3x | im trying to better understand debian |
| 00:36.17 | themill | On that erudite note, I will take my leave. |
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| 00:36.23 | themill | => bed |
| 00:36.47 | JordiGH | ma3x: Linux is a kernel. Debian uses Linux as its main kernel. There are also unofficial versions of Debian that uses kernels besides Linux. |
| 00:36.53 | ma3x | if you download kernel from kernel.org you can install it on all linuxes, not just on debian |
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| 00:37.01 | Rienzilha | ma3x: go away |
| 00:37.05 | abrotman | Rienzilha: stop |
| 00:37.15 | Rienzilha | stops |
| 00:37.22 | jelly-hme | HAMMERTIME |
| 00:37.23 | wire | I am stopping |
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| 00:37.27 | Rienzilha | lol |
| 00:37.29 | Rienzilha | hammertime |
| 00:37.35 | Rienzilha | cant touch this |
| 00:37.39 | JordiGH | jelly-hme: Btw, where did your o go? |
| 00:37.57 | osmosis | How can I tell what CPU core a given process is using? Does ps aux show this? |
| 00:38.18 | Flinx | I'm having a bit of an issue accessing an ntfs drive. I have ntfs-3g installed for the etch backports, and even as root I "do not have permissions" to access the drive |
| 00:38.31 | JordiGH | osmosis: I think it fluctuates according to what Linux thinks is the best thing. |
| 00:38.34 | jelly-hme | JordiGH: something fell on the keyboard and it broke. |
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| 00:39.02 | Rienzilha | abrotman: what is it? |
| 00:39.09 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:39.44 | ma3x | i still don't understand: 283 million source code lines of what? the basic packages in debian? or all packages? |
| 00:39.55 | wire | no |
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| 00:40.05 | abrotman | Rienzilha: don't msg me |
| 00:40.15 | abrotman | ma3x: read the story it links to .. this isn't hard |
| 00:40.26 | ma3x | ok |
| 00:40.44 | Rienzilha | then could you maybe answer me in the channel? |
| 00:41.01 | wire | btw abrotman how have you been? |
| 00:41.04 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | you lost your ddd |
| 00:41.17 | abrotman | :) |
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| 00:43.06 | ma3x | well the beginning of the story mentions adapting all the packages for debian |
| 00:43.27 | ma3x | so i can't imagine only etch without packages costing $10 billion |
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| 00:44.14 | hedos | Hello. I'd like to be able to play sound from more than one application at a time. I think I need an audio mixer, apparently. That's what I was told yesterday, but the page I was refered to was too complex. Any simpler alternative? |
| 00:44.27 | JordiGH | Alright, now I need some Java applet to test. |
| 00:44.33 | abrotman | hedos: dmix ? |
| 00:44.34 | jelly-home | ma3x: wtf is "etch without packages"? |
| 00:44.43 | ma3x | nothing |
| 00:44.52 | JordiGH | jelly-home: There is no etch. |
| 00:44.59 | peppe | ma3x: "adapting all the packages"? |
| 00:45.01 | jelly-home | is illuminated |
| 00:45.17 | jelly-home | s/uminated// |
| 00:45.23 | ma3x | anyway, i previewed shortly some kernel video on youtube |
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| 00:45.40 | ma3x | about the linux kernel |
| 00:45.54 | ma3x | it has many sponsors |
| 00:46.03 | jelly-home | hedos: if all your apps use alsa output, things should just work |
| 00:46.05 | ma3x | so people who work on the kernel receive money i imagine |
| 00:46.27 | ma3x | what about debian? is it all free work or some people get their salary? |
| 00:46.36 | hedos | jelly-home, they all do, however this might be due to the fact that I use a usb sound card |
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| 00:46.45 | tasty | hey |
| 00:46.48 | peppe | "how does free software developers live" |
| 00:46.49 | ma3x | im just trying to have a little insight on how things work |
| 00:46.50 | tasty | don't know |
| 00:46.50 | peppe | *do |
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| 00:47.13 | ma3x | peppe: how? |
| 00:47.31 | wireddd | ma3x: some people get paid by companies to support different pieces of software, but it is still given away, but I think most of us do it as a hobby |
| 00:47.40 | peppe | ma3x: someone for job, someone in free time |
| 00:47.44 | jescis | is ignoring ma3x |
| 00:48.03 | ma3x | ignore me i don't mind you jescis |
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| 00:48.10 | wireddd | as long as the questions are really trollish, i'll answer them |
| 00:48.14 | jelly-home | ma3x: for your non-support needs, there's #debian-offtopic |
| 00:48.50 | peppe | what?? there is an official debian troll channel and I knew nothing of it?! |
| 00:48.56 | ma3x | wireddd: what do you work on? what package or kernel? |
| 00:49.13 | JordiGH | It works! With free software! http://www.schubart.net/rc/ |
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| 00:49.50 | wireddd | I actually don't work on either, though I am involved with other free software projects, and I use debian |
| 00:49.54 | ma3x | what's troll exactly? |
| 00:50.06 | ma3x | or to ask better what do you mean by troll on irc? |
| 00:50.08 | ma3x | (Scandanavian folklore) a supernatural creature (either a dwarf or a giant) that is supposed to live in caves or in the mountains |
| 00:50.35 | ma3x | i've seen trolls in those sci-fi movies for little children |
| 00:50.38 | peppe | append to that: "or on IRC" |
| 00:50.45 | JordiGH | wonders if OpenJDK will make it into lenny. |
| 00:51.05 | wireddd | ma3x that would be a better question for #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:51.08 | JordiGH | ma3x: Trolls: http://sums.math.mcgill.ca/~jordi/piccies/trolling.jpg |
| 00:52.17 | peppe | JordiGH: afaik no, openjdk won't be in lenny. (it will be in ubuntu 8.10, though) |
| 00:52.18 | ma3x | you sure don't mean 'doll' when you say troll to someone on irc |
| 00:52.51 | JordiGH | peppe: Good for Ubuntu. Is there an official announcement for Java policy on lenny? |
| 00:54.00 | peppe | JordiGH: hm, http://lists.debian.org/debian-java/2008/07/msg00070.html |
| 00:54.13 | jelly-home | ma3x: google for define:troll |
| 00:54.55 | Flinx | has anyone had trouble mounting an NTFS drive in etch? |
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| 00:55.43 | ma3x | To deliberately post false or controversial messages to gain attention for the sake of attention, usually from people who genuinely want to help. ... |
| 00:55.56 | JordiGH | peppe: Yeah, that sounds like they are trying to get OpenJDK into lenny. :-) |
| 00:55.57 | ma3x | A troll is a user of a newsgroup, forum or message board that posts messages with the intent of inciting an argument or flame-war. |
| 00:56.15 | ma3x | im not trying to incite an argument or flame-war |
| 00:56.19 | ma3x | or provoke |
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| 00:56.41 | ma3x | ok see ya |
| 00:56.48 | peppe | well, gnight |
| 00:56.58 | ma3x | thanks for the google :define hint |
| 00:57.56 | JordiGH | is excited about openjdk |
| 00:58.14 | jelly-home | !offtopic |
| 00:58.14 | dpkg | A little off-topic conversation is okay here and there, but not too much, and not when the channel's busy, and not if it's your primary reason for being here. please join #debian-offtopic on irc.freenode.net |
| 00:58.32 | JordiGH | What, openjdk making it into lenny is offtopic? |
| 00:58.36 | Flinx | heh cute |
| 00:58.44 | jelly-home | JordiGH: no? |
| 00:59.10 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Oh, was that for ma3x? |
| 00:59.12 | Flinx | wait... if Lenny is the next major distro after Etch... what is Sid? |
| 00:59.25 | JordiGH | Flinx: sid is the boy that breaks toys. |
| 00:59.35 | Flinx | ah |
| 00:59.38 | JordiGH | Flinx: It's the unstable distribution, forever unstable, never to be released. |
| 00:59.42 | Flinx | right |
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| 00:59.59 | Flinx | I wasn't sure |
| 01:00.11 | JordiGH | Flinx: Soon we shall know what the next candidate for stable release will be. There are lots of toys in Toy Story, so we will have enough codenames for some time now. |
| 01:00.20 | Flinx | lol |
| 01:00.28 | JordiGH | thinks that one of Sid's mutant toys could make a good name for the experimental branch. |
| 01:00.42 | Flinx | I wonder if lenny will have the support I need out of the box |
| 01:00.50 | JordiGH | What support do you need? |
| 01:01.04 | jdaugherty | i wonder if it will upgrade etch |
| 01:01.06 | Flinx | ATI, and NTFS ;) |
| 01:01.19 | Flinx | right now I'm less concerned with the ATI. |
| 01:01.29 | JordiGH | NTFS seems to be working well... ATI not yet. |
| 01:01.35 | Flinx | *nods* |
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| 01:01.46 | Flinx | I'm getting an error that google is failing to help with |
| 01:02.17 | JordiGH | Flinx: Does radeonhd work for you? |
| 01:02.31 | Flinx | JordiGH: I haven't tried it yet |
| 01:02.44 | JordiGH | Flinx: Are you running lenny right now? Or etch? |
| 01:02.52 | Flinx | JordiGH: I only have an X1300 and I'm running on etch |
| 01:03.17 | JordiGH | Flinx: Uhm, that's Intel! |
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| 01:04.02 | Flinx | JordiGH: no its an Ati Radeon X1300 Pro |
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| 01:04.13 | krammer | fresh install I need wifi for my laptop running gnome |
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| 01:04.42 | abrotman | krammer: what is your wifi chipset? |
| 01:04.58 | JordiGH | Flinx: It looks like radeonhd on lenny supports it. |
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| 01:05.03 | krammer | Intel |
| 01:05.19 | Flinx | JordiGH: ahh |
| 01:05.29 | JordiGH | Flinx: But the manpage for radeonhd says it's still very much a work in progress. :-( |
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| 01:05.47 | Flinx | JordiGH: yeah.. ATI cards have -always- been really slow for support |
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| 01:06.01 | Flinx | ... >><! and now for some reason Root can see my NTFS drive.. |
| 01:06.08 | jelly-home | JordiGH: yay for having two free drivers and one non-free! |
| 01:06.12 | flowr_ | hi. Logging out of gnome takes its 8 minutes... when I press the 'logout' or 'shutdown' button, the logout-window and it's button freezes.. for a handfull of minutes |
| 01:06.18 | abrotman | krammer: it matters which one |
| 01:06.20 | flowr_ | is this a known problem? |
| 01:06.25 | abrotman | krammer: lspci .. can you find the line ? |
| 01:06.29 | JordiGH | jelly-home: You being sarcastic? ;-) |
| 01:06.34 | krammer | im there but there is so much to choose |
| 01:06.51 | jelly-home | JordiGH: one of those might work. |
| 01:07.25 | JordiGH | jelly-home: I once used the radeon driver; it worked nicely with Compiz. |
| 01:07.50 | abrotman | krammer: it should be pretty obvious .. like Intel Pro/Wireless 3945ABG or something like that |
| 01:08.11 | JordiGH | Flinx: Does the radeon driver work for you on etch? |
| 01:08.49 | JordiGH | krammer: Try to filter lspci through grep. e.g. "lspci | grep -i wireless" |
| 01:09.48 | Flinx | JordiGH: I haven't yet tried. Been working on audio and now NTFS stuff |
| 01:10.06 | Flinx | whats the cleanest way to give a user access to a mounted device? |
| 01:10.12 | JordiGH | wagers that ntfs-3g is backported to lenny. |
| 01:10.18 | krammer | 3945abg netowrk connetion |
| 01:10.26 | JordiGH | Flinx: Put them in the plugdev group. |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | !tell krammer about ipw3945 |
| 01:10.45 | JordiGH | Flinx: If you mean stuff like a USB pendrive, that is... |
| 01:10.54 | Flinx | JordiGH: my NTFS drive actually |
| 01:11.13 | JordiGH | Flinx: Is that drive gonna get mounted and unmounted by users? |
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| 01:11.25 | Flinx | JordiGH: just read-write access |
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| 01:11.42 | Aaron | hey |
| 01:11.44 | Aaron | can someone help me |
| 01:11.48 | Flinx | I'm already in the plugdev and fuse groups |
| 01:11.52 | abrotman | Aaron: only if you ask |
| 01:12.02 | Flinx | which - if I read the docs right - should cover everything |
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| 01:12.04 | JordiGH | Flinx: Then you can mount it in /etc/fstab and we have a factoid here for the proper persmissions... as for *write* access, you'll need ntfs-3g, which I don't think is in etch. |
| 01:12.05 | Aaron | i have a toshiba tecra 8200 im trying to configured. the video card but I'm stuck with the drivers though |
| 01:12.23 | JordiGH | !ntfs |
| 01:12.23 | dpkg | ntfs is, like, Windows NT's filesystem. There are 3 main drivers in Debian, a Linux driver only able to read and FUSE drivers able to write too. For information about the former, ask me about <ntfsro>. For information about the read/write access, ask me about <ntfsrw>. See also http://www.linux-ntfs.org/ and http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html |
| 01:12.35 | Flinx | JordiGH: right, I used Backports.org to get the ntfs-3g stuff |
| 01:12.36 | abrotman | Aaron: which video device is it? |
| 01:12.50 | JordiGH | !ntfsrw |
| 01:12.50 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 01:12.59 | JordiGH | etc |
| 01:13.00 | Aaron | i believed is a trident |
| 01:13.18 | Flinx | !ntfs-3g |
| 01:13.19 | dpkg | i guess ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
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| 01:13.41 | abrotman | Aaron: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 01:14.37 | Aaron | yeah is vga |
| 01:14.38 | Flinx | hrm.. I want applications to be able to read off of the drive |
| 01:15.17 | krammer | Aaron: Is my chipset compatbale for debian |
| 01:15.25 | Aaron | ? |
| 01:15.32 | krammer | sory |
| 01:15.48 | flowr_ | Youtube is lagging in fullscreen. Any ideas? :/. I have an installed nvidia card |
| 01:15.57 | krammer | abrotman: is my chipset compatable for deb |
| 01:16.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | !ipw3945 |
| 01:16.13 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
| 01:16.43 | Nyle | !ping |
| 01:16.43 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:16.51 | flowr_ | .. and xorg is configured correctly |
| 01:17.01 | Nyle | hm |
| 01:17.14 | Aaron | abrotman: any ideas? |
| 01:17.29 | abrotman | Aaron: you were supposed to tell us what the line said |
| 01:18.25 | Flinx | flowr_: latest version of flash? |
| 01:18.53 | keith4_ | flowr_: flash player sucks |
| 01:19.00 | keith4_ | and will *eat* your CPU alive |
| 01:19.00 | Nyle | no it doesn't |
| 01:19.03 | Nyle | you suck |
| 01:19.08 | keith4_ | oh, it sucks |
| 01:19.09 | flowr_ | Flinx: yes. it's n*wrapped though. a wrapper for x32 mozilla plugins |
| 01:19.13 | Nyle | you suck too |
| 01:19.20 | keith4_ | i don't see how that's related |
| 01:19.20 | Nyle | why beat on flash? |
| 01:19.32 | Nyle | hate bandwagon |
| 01:19.35 | Nyle | gtfo. |
| 01:19.46 | flowr_ | it works fine in crashpoze *windows* |
| 01:19.56 | keith4_ | right |
| 01:20.10 | keith4_ | adobemedia obviously doesn't spend much time working out performance issues in the linux one |
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| 01:26.46 | Nyle | !gnash |
| 01:26.46 | dpkg | gnash is, like, a GNU project to create a free software Flash player. Its developers plan on writing a stand-alone player and a browser plugin. Writing a free software Flash-player has been a priority of the GNU project for some time. See http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/ for more information. ask me about <gnash_etch> |
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| 01:28.24 | Nyle | push hard |
| 01:28.30 | Nyle | to an alien land where you never know whats real |
| 01:28.45 | Nyle | just a card |
| 01:28.51 | linuxguy | !one-liner |
| 01:28.53 | jescis | Nyle, linux? ;) |
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| 01:29.07 | Nyle | in another's deck and you get dealt and thats the deal |
| 01:29.13 | abrotman | Nyle: #debian-offtopic |
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| 01:29.24 | Nyle | so stick with familiar landscapes |
| 01:29.38 | Nyle | (that means debian) |
| 01:29.57 | Nyle | jescis, not linux per se, I meant distribution wise |
| 01:30.15 | linuxguy | hi there....ive just install debian 4.04.......what is the command to update and install the nvidia graphics card drivers please?..its an fx5500 256mb.....thanks |
| 01:30.25 | Nyle | linuxguy, /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 01:30.26 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy about nvidia one-liner |
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| 01:31.40 | Nyle | police |
| 01:31.54 | Flinx | I'm finally getting closer to my user/ntfs solution |
| 01:32.00 | Nyle | Flinx, ? |
| 01:32.27 | Flinx | yes Nyle? |
| 01:32.35 | Nyle | i I have to copy 750gb ntfs to ext3 |
| 01:32.40 | Nyle | Flinx, what are you doing with ntfs? |
| 01:32.57 | Flinx | Trying to get non-root users rw access to it with ntfs-3g |
| 01:32.59 | linuxguy | strange.....gave me this returning message : E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
| 01:33.04 | Nyle | Flinx, easy |
| 01:33.15 | Flinx | you'd think so ;) |
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| 01:33.21 | Nyle | its a piece of cake if you know perms |
| 01:33.29 | abrotman | linuxguy: do you have contrib/non-free sources? |
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| 01:33.36 | Nyle | specify a g/uid with mount or fstab |
| 01:33.45 | Nyle | !ntfs-3g |
| 01:33.45 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 01:33.54 | Nyle | examples... |
| 01:33.57 | linuxguy | abaortman.......ah i remember......i have to edit something dont i? |
| 01:34.12 | Nyle | Flinx, usually specify gid of cdrom group (iirc) |
| 01:34.23 | Nyle | and for rw its something else |
| 01:34.27 | Nyle | hang on |
| 01:34.47 | Flinx | I think I have my fstab set up correctly |
| 01:34.54 | Nyle | paste that line here |
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| 01:35.09 | Flinx | but after umounting it etch things that "NTFS" is in use |
| 01:35.30 | Flinx | /dev/hdc1 /mnt/storage ntfs-3g users,uid=1000 -- From FSTAB |
| 01:35.35 | linuxguy | Abrotmna...........but I cant remember what file needs to be cahanged |
| 01:35.52 | Nyle | yeh thats your uid |
| 01:35.54 | jelly-home | LABEL=ntfs-ext /media/ext ntfs-3g defaults,user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022,locale=hr_HR.UTF-8 0 0 |
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| 01:36.07 | linuxguy | ??oops sorry Abrotman.....I cant remember what file needs tio be changed |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy about non-free |
| 01:36.20 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy about contrib |
| 01:36.39 | Nyle | whats the env var for specifying a TMP dir? |
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| 01:36.50 | Nyle | TMPDIR? |
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| 01:37.22 | Flinx | Nyle: I know thats my uid its so that I own everything in the /mnt/storage directory ;) |
| 01:37.42 | jelly-home | Flinx: ntfs-3g, and other fuse-based filesystem, make a mess of filesystem namespace, so the user that mounted it might see the filesystem and others might not, regardless of the permissions |
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| 01:37.52 | Nyle | oh |
| 01:38.07 | Flinx | jelly-home: I am the only user |
| 01:38.53 | jelly-home | Flinx: who does the mounting? |
| 01:39.17 | Flinx | jelly-home: root can do it, I just want access to the stuff. |
| 01:39.26 | Flinx | jelly-home: mind you I';m also root |
| 01:39.31 | jelly-home | Flinx: you have to mount the fs, not root. |
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| 01:40.07 | Flinx | jelly-home: Right, I used root to umount it so that I could make changes and remount it as the user account |
| 01:40.16 | jelly-home | Flinx: yeah. |
| 01:40.31 | linuxguy | abrotman, ........i have similiar lines to this one... deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ etch main whrere would i put non-free please? |
| 01:40.52 | abrotman | at the end of the line |
| 01:40.56 | jetscreamer | i've d/l'd & burned a full cd and a netinst cd... where the f is the scan hd for .iso option? |
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| 01:41.29 | Flinx | jelly-home: but I;'m getting the error "Mount is denied because NTFS is marked to be in use." the drive is unmounted and absent from df |
| 01:41.45 | Nyle | jescis, which kernel you using? |
| 01:41.49 | Nyle | you tardsterm |
| 01:41.59 | Nyle | hd-media is the only one i know of that can mount iso files |
| 01:42.04 | jelly-home | Flinx: that's an ntfs-3g faq I believe |
| 01:42.05 | jescis | Nyle, 2.6.18 |
| 01:42.05 | jetscreamer | Flinx: you can get that if windows is suspended |
| 01:42.10 | jetscreamer | or hibernated |
| 01:42.18 | Nyle | jescis, not you |
| 01:42.21 | Nyle | talking to jescis |
| 01:42.22 | jetscreamer | also if it wasn't a clean shutdown |
| 01:42.24 | Nyle | er.. jetscreamer |
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| 01:42.35 | Nyle | sorry misfire ont he nick tab |
| 01:42.53 | Nyle | jetscreamer, you need hd-media, expert install |
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| 01:43.02 | jetscreamer | can you burn it to cd or what |
| 01:43.04 | Flinx | so I can probably just reboot and it'll be fine |
| 01:43.04 | Nyle | I don't think netinst has any options for mounting/detecting iso |
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| 01:43.14 | Flinx | cause there is no windows OS on the drive |
| 01:43.15 | Flinx | just dat |
| 01:43.15 | Nyle | jetscreamer, please read the install guide, chapters 4 and 5 |
| 01:43.18 | Flinx | a |
| 01:43.24 | jelly-home | Flinx: rebooting won't change anything |
| 01:43.39 | jetscreamer | Flinx: if you let windows start up and shut down normally, yes.. you can also force the mount |
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| 01:43.58 | Nyle | jetscreamer, as I thought, I doubt the debian installer will do that if you don't have the hd-media installer |
| 01:44.08 | jetscreamer | Nyle: rtfm? omg i NEVER rtfm |
| 01:44.12 | Nyle | tht initrd has the tools needed I think to do that |
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| 01:44.17 | Nyle | jetscreamer, go rtm |
| 01:44.19 | Flinx | jetscreamer: windows is on the disk sitting on the desk next to me. hdc1 is -just- data. |
| 01:44.21 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 01:44.24 | Nyle | :) |
| 01:44.35 | linuxguy | abrotman, so the line should look like this deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ etch main non-free or deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ etch non-free ? |
| 01:44.36 | jetscreamer | Flinx: all i know.. you can force the mount though |
| 01:44.44 | Nyle | yes, through busybox |
| 01:44.48 | abrotman | linuxguy: yes .. but you still need contrib |
| 01:44.52 | Flinx | jetscreamer: yeah I was hoping not to do that. |
| 01:44.56 | Nyle | if you have the udebs in your paths |
| 01:45.20 | Nyle | jetscreamer, what EXACTLY are you trying to accomplish? |
| 01:45.26 | jetscreamer | Flinx: i 'guess' the data hd was windows, windows crashed or whatever, there you are |
| 01:45.39 | Nyle | windows crashed? |
| 01:45.40 | jetscreamer | Nyle: installing lenny w/o a nic |
| 01:45.40 | linuxguy | abrotman, ........ok i understand now......so what should the lines look like please? |
| 01:45.41 | Nyle | no way! |
| 01:46.00 | Nyle | jetscreamer, then get yourself hd-media installer and put on floppy |
| 01:46.15 | Nyle | or if you just downloaded a cd, why not use tha tinstead |
| 01:46.16 | jescis | YAY! \o/ for windows crashing |
| 01:46.18 | abrotman | linuxguy: just add contrib too |
| 01:46.19 | jetscreamer | k |
| 01:46.47 | jetscreamer | Nyle: bad cd on the full |
| 01:46.51 | Nyle | ah |
| 01:46.55 | linuxguy | abrotman, deb-src http://ukdebian.mirror.anlx.net/debian/ etch main contrib non-free ?..is that correct? |
| 01:47.00 | Nyle | get yourself some Verbati or TDK |
| 01:47.05 | Nyle | Verbatim( |
| 01:47.11 | Nyle | those are quality cds/dvds |
| 01:47.14 | jetscreamer | jus tsome files wouldn't unpack |
| 01:47.15 | Nyle | slightly more expensive |
| 01:47.19 | pickcoder | jetscreamer: USB install? |
| 01:47.22 | Nyle | jetscreamer, i thought you meant quality |
| 01:47.23 | abrotman | linuxguy: not the debsrc lines .. just the regular deb lines |
| 01:47.43 | Nyle | pickcoder, i told him what to read... |
| 01:47.45 | jetscreamer | i don't want to spend $ on somebody else's box |
| 01:48.02 | Nyle | chapters 3-5 are all you need in order to find out what install methods debian supports |
| 01:48.17 | linuxguy | abrotman, ........o k got it now just add contrib non free to the other lines and things should be ok? |
| 01:48.20 | Nyle | and how to do them... seriously skim through it |
| 01:48.21 | jetscreamer | there's that rtfm again... :) |
| 01:48.28 | abrotman | linuxguy: sounds like it |
| 01:48.28 | pickcoder | why no nic? |
| 01:48.40 | Nyle | jetscreamer, nic is like what, 15$ usd |
| 01:48.41 | linuxguy | abrotman, thanks.....i'll give it ago |
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| 01:48.46 | jetscreamer | i have like 6 in a box buxted.. |
| 01:48.49 | jetscreamer | busted |
| 01:48.57 | jetscreamer | the computer didn't have one |
| 01:49.20 | jetscreamer | i don't even 'need' to install linux, i'm just doing it |
| 01:49.33 | jetscreamer | my mission was to fix the windows me |
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| 01:49.36 | jetscreamer | :( |
| 01:49.43 | pickcoder | ew.. ME |
| 01:49.50 | Nyle | I seriously worry about mrs. jetscreamer |
| 01:49.57 | Nyle | you probably drive her nuts ;) |
| 01:50.03 | jetscreamer | had to rescue the data from an almost dead hd |
| 01:50.23 | Flinx | time for reboot! |
| 01:50.27 | Nyle | why? |
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| 01:50.29 | Nyle | Flinx, why reboot? |
| 01:50.33 | jetscreamer | i 'of course' had to use dd_rescue :) |
| 01:50.40 | Flinx | because I want to see if NTFS will magically work when I get back ? :P |
| 01:50.46 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:50.51 | Nyle | what a 'tarded thing to do |
| 01:50.58 | Flinx | its a computer |
| 01:51.04 | Flinx | computers are powered by magic ;) |
| 01:51.05 | Nyle | I am aware... |
| 01:51.08 | Nyle | what? |
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| 01:51.15 | Nyle | what you smokin' there man? |
| 01:51.19 | Nyle | gimme a hit. |
| 01:51.22 | pickcoder | short out a few traces and you let the magic smoke out |
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| 01:51.28 | Flinx | you obviously don;t work as a system integrator ;) |
| 01:51.36 | Nyle | you integrate systems? |
| 01:51.38 | Flinx | yes |
| 01:51.39 | Nyle | big deal |
| 01:51.50 | Nyle | I do inventory systems integration recently |
| 01:51.55 | Flinx | I trouble shoot all of them too |
| 01:51.59 | Flinx | most of them stop working |
| 01:52.00 | Nyle | so do I |
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| 01:52.05 | pickcoder | had a pair of video cards go "poof" not too long ago. smelled terrific in the office. |
| 01:52.07 | Flinx | then w/o doing anything they magically work :p |
| 01:52.25 | Nyle | this week I gotta do upc label database |
| 01:52.30 | Nyle | oof! |
| 01:52.37 | jescis | Flinx, linux != Windoze ;) |
| 01:52.40 | Samus_Aran | anyone know what causes the files in the apt cache to be deleted ? (I want to keep them indefinitely) |
| 01:52.42 | Flinx | Go iceweasel.... |
| 01:52.42 | jelly-home | Flinx: Linux software doesn't use the same type of magic |
| 01:52.47 | Flinx | I know |
| 01:52.56 | Nyle | Samus_Aran, until you clean em? |
| 01:53.05 | Flinx | but so far as I can see theres nothing that is using NTFS |
| 01:53.08 | Nyle | Samus_Aran, I think they remain until you clean em |
| 01:53.11 | Flinx | and yet it's 'busy' |
| 01:53.14 | pickcoder | UPC.. too bad most of our manufactures don't put them on the packages |
| 01:53.18 | Nyle | Flinx, so you trying to umount it? |
| 01:53.22 | Nyle | Flinx, force it? |
| 01:53.28 | Nyle | Flinx, umount -f or -l |
| 01:53.57 | Flinx | its not mounted |
| 01:53.58 | Nyle | actually |
| 01:54.02 | Nyle | no |
| 01:54.07 | jelly-home | Flinx: you were told what to do, read the relevant ntfs-3g faq... it needs to be cleanly unmounted or chkdsk-ed _inside windows_ |
| 01:54.11 | Nyle | don't do that, I wouldn't... could case a corrupt ntfs journal |
| 01:54.25 | Nyle | jetscreamer, oh thats his problem... |
| 01:54.33 | Nyle | jetscreamer, yeh, other than that there is no option |
| 01:54.38 | Nyle | er... jelly-home * |
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| 01:54.47 | Flinx | Why? |
| 01:54.48 | jelly-home | it's an unclean fs and ntfs-3g refuses to mount. |
| 01:55.01 | Flinx | it was mounting just fine like 40 minutes ago |
| 01:55.03 | Nyle | like I said, if ntfs-3g encounters an unclean journal from ntfs, it will not mount |
| 01:55.07 | Flinx | I just didn't have user access |
| 01:55.12 | Nyle | however you can risk forcing it, but it will never mount it |
| 01:55.20 | Nyle | no matter how many times you restart |
| 01:55.25 | Flinx | so... I have to shutdown. |
| 01:55.30 | Nyle | you need to put in a copy of mininova |
| 01:55.32 | Nyle | er.. |
| 01:55.38 | jelly-home | Flinx: congrats, you found a way to make it unmountable for ntfs-3g, using ntfs-3g to do it! |
| 01:55.40 | Nyle | miniPE or BartPE or some other windows live cd |
| 01:55.46 | linuxguy | abrotman, .........ok im almost tere now.......but its given me a cghoice of eith nv or nvidia....which is best for the nvidia fx55500 card?..i want compiz fudion to work aas well.......thanks for your helpies |
| 01:55.48 | Nyle | if you don't have windows |
| 01:55.51 | Flinx | pull out the drive (hot swap), put in the windows drive (hot swap) and do a checkdisk? |
| 01:56.02 | Nyle | no |
| 01:56.03 | jelly-home | Flinx: right |
| 01:56.04 | abrotman | linuxguy: no idea .. |
| 01:56.11 | abrotman | linuxguy: i'd guess nvidia or nvidia-legacyt |
| 01:56.19 | linuxguy | abrotman, ......ok thanks |
| 01:56.32 | Nyle | reboot with a windows live cd or a some boot cd with ntfs chkdsk tool on it or whatever |
| 01:56.33 | Samus_Aran | figured it out |
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| 01:56.41 | jelly-home | Flinx: don't forget to "remove the device cleanly" in windows |
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| 01:56.53 | Flinx | its an IDE device. |
| 01:57.01 | Nyle | if this happens to me, I have a miniPE cd around, Ijust boot up, get into a windows live session and chkdsk |
| 01:57.08 | jelly-home | Nyle: he has a second machine with windows |
| 01:57.13 | Nyle | I think ubcd also has some shit.. nm |
| 01:57.19 | Nyle | he got another machine |
| 01:57.21 | Nyle | word |
| 01:57.26 | Nyle | eats a green skittle |
| 01:57.36 | Flinx | I have one machine |
| 01:57.48 | Flinx | and the system drive is hot-swappable |
| 01:57.55 | Nyle | dude |
| 01:57.58 | Nyle | what? |
| 01:58.01 | Flinx | there is an IDE drive inside of the box, that I store things on |
| 01:58.03 | jescis | has five :o |
| 01:58.13 | Nyle | i thought you said you have two machiens |
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| 01:58.25 | Flinx | I have like 4 machines |
| 01:58.34 | Nyle | do you know how many machines you have? |
| 01:58.34 | Flinx | but Only one that I use as a home workstation |
| 01:58.37 | jelly-home | Flinx: well, that's all right too, as long as you boot windows and chkdsk it. |
| 01:58.40 | Nyle | or can you please share some of your pot with me? |
| 01:58.45 | Nyle | kindly... |
| 01:58.58 | Flinx | jelly-home: Alright |
| 01:59.05 | Flinx | jelly-home: lemme do that |
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| 01:59.11 | jescis | wants some pot too ;) |
| 01:59.11 | unixSnob | after upgrading the kernel, some modules were copied, others were not (perhaps only one was not).. the question is, why would a module not be inherited? Does that mean it's known to be problematic w/ the new kernel? |
| 01:59.35 | jelly-home | has an xp install in virtualbox just to be able to chkdsk in the case ntfs-3g fucks up |
| 01:59.54 | Nyle | virtualbox can't access physical hdds |
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| 02:00.00 | Nyle | thats why its a free software so far |
| 02:00.04 | Nyle | vmware can however, but its nonfree |
| 02:00.12 | Nyle | correct me if I'm wrong, but that sounded like bullshit |
| 02:00.13 | jelly-home | Nyle: sure it can. |
| 02:00.27 | Nyle | maybe I've been under a rock lately |
| 02:00.53 | jescis | has his data on a seperate HDD |
| 02:01.03 | pickcoder | unixSnob: how did you upgrade and what did you upgrade from-to |
| 02:01.06 | jelly-home | the reason I tried it in the first place is because it was free (gratis) and supported USB2 (including external disks) |
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| 02:01.48 | unixSnob | pickcoder: I ran aptitude install linux-image-2.6.25.... (previous version was 2.6.18) |
| 02:02.06 | pickcoder | unixSnob: etch? |
| 02:02.10 | unixSnob | pickcoder: the module that didn't make it is my wifi nic |
| 02:02.12 | unixSnob | pickcoder: yes |
| 02:02.14 | jelly-home | Nyle: and on this laptop, I boot linux from sda under xp booted from the same disk. |
| 02:02.16 | Nyle | jelly-home, is this a feature of virtualbox only or also virtualbox-ose |
| 02:02.18 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:02.40 | Nyle | I'm the harddrive manager now and I have no option to select actual block devices |
| 02:02.44 | Nyle | only virtual hdds I can create |
| 02:02.45 | jelly-home | USB2 is currently only in the nonfree builds |
| 02:02.46 | Nyle | or use |
| 02:02.52 | Nyle | I figured as much |
| 02:02.55 | unixSnob | ipw3945 is the wifi nic that didn't get carried over |
| 02:02.56 | Nyle | like I said, so I was right. |
| 02:03.02 | Nyle | its free cuz it can't do that |
| 02:03.03 | jelly-home | Nyle: yeah, too bad you can't read THE FUCKING MANUAL |
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| 02:03.05 | Nyle | non-free versions can |
| 02:03.09 | Nyle | jelly-home, I never did |
| 02:03.15 | Nyle | I can though, if I wanted to. |
| 02:04.16 | Nyle | pokes jelly-home and watches him jiggle around |
| 02:04.21 | Nyle | at home |
| 02:04.22 | jelly-home | I've no idea about -ose's ability to use phys. disks TBH, it's just USB2 that's sole feature of binary build |
| 02:04.33 | Nyle | jelly-home, I see |
| 02:04.57 | unixSnob | who would want windows accessing physical disks? |
| 02:05.09 | Nyle | I |
| 02:05.12 | Nyle | jelly-home too |
| 02:05.24 | Nyle | and whoever else who doesn't want to reboot in order to scandisk |
| 02:05.33 | Nyle | ntfs-3g unclean journal mount error fixing... |
| 02:05.36 | jelly-home | unixSnob: people running fsck in windows, trying to fix ntfs-3g bugs would |
| 02:06.10 | unixSnob | what advantage does ntfs-3g have over ext2? |
| 02:06.16 | jelly-home | err, not fix bugs, fix fs errors caused by bugs |
| 02:06.17 | Nyle | ? |
| 02:06.25 | jescis | my data on my other HDD is in a vfat partition :) |
| 02:06.41 | jelly-home | unixSnob: besides the obvious? |
| 02:06.46 | unixSnob | windows can access ext2, given a free 3rd party driver |
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| 02:07.04 | jelly-home | windows can't write ext3. |
| 02:07.06 | unixSnob | jelly-home: i know not much of ntfs-3g, so nothing would be obvious to me along this question |
| 02:07.19 | jelly-home | unixSnob: rw access to windows partitions. |
| 02:08.29 | unixSnob | i don't understand the value in having a windows partition... but that's okay; i was just curious. |
| 02:08.39 | unixSnob | uses ext2 for windows |
| 02:08.47 | unixSnob | w/ rw access |
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| 02:10.07 | JordiGH | unixSnob: Huh? How does the Windows kernel understand that? The only tools on Windows I've seen that can do ext2 are in userland. |
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| 02:10.42 | jelly-home | unixSnob: you might not want to expose other people's windows to crappy IFS drivers, for example. |
| 02:11.04 | unixSnob | JordiGH: well on XP, drivers run in kernel-land, ie. the ext2fs for windows driver |
| 02:11.06 | pickcoder | it works pretty good |
| 02:11.10 | jelly-home | JordiGH: www.fs-driver.org, for example |
| 02:11.19 | jelly-home | there are others. |
| 02:11.25 | unixSnob | but on Vista, you would have a point JordiGH.. vista puts drivers in userland |
| 02:11.54 | jescis | still hates vista |
| 02:12.09 | unixSnob | although I don't see drivers in the userland as a drawback - i think it's a big improvement |
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| 02:12.16 | jelly-home | JordiGH: I used that until it messed up my ext3fs (it's not supported) |
| 02:12.23 | unixSnob | MS should have put drivers in userland 10 years ago |
| 02:12.42 | jetscreamer | Nyle: wtf is a floppy img |
| 02:12.42 | pickcoder | sure.. it just requires a crapload more memory and it performs the worst of any previous version |
| 02:12.44 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Aw. |
| 02:12.45 | Gnurdux | shouldn't Linux think about supporting that |
| 02:12.50 | jelly-home | unixSnob: how come you're not a hurdSnob, then! |
| 02:12.53 | Gnurdux | user-mode drivers? |
| 02:13.17 | JordiGH | unixSnob uses Mac OS X. Unsuitable Unix, in my arrogant opinion. :P |
| 02:13.19 | unixSnob | Gnurdux: i agree |
| 02:13.37 | Gnurdux | i mean now that there are high-performance microkernels, the kernel people ought to start thinking about putting in some microkernel-like features |
| 02:13.48 | Gnurdux | fs drivers could certainly be moved to userspace |
| 02:13.52 | unixSnob | uses many flavors of *nix, one of which is os x |
| 02:14.05 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: ee already have userspace drivers for usb, parallel, filesystems... |
| 02:14.07 | unixSnob | (solaris, for example) |
| 02:14.10 | Gnurdux | OSX handles user-mode and kernel mode drivers |
| 02:14.14 | pickcoder | unixSnob: I'm assuming that since the ipw module isn't in the bpo kernel package then it's been pulled from lenny |
| 02:14.18 | pickcoder | I don't see it in 2.6.25 |
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| 02:14.23 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: s/ee/linux/ |
| 02:14.32 | Gnurdux | parallel? |
| 02:14.40 | Gnurdux | for usb, you mean like libusb etc |
| 02:14.49 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: yeah, that old port noone uses any more |
| 02:14.52 | jelly-home | Gnurdux: right. |
| 02:15.06 | gbp | apple should release the quartz wm source |
| 02:15.10 | Gnurdux | but why not migrate all drivers to userspace |
| 02:15.14 | gbp | it's the best looking UI atm imho |
| 02:15.22 | Gnurdux | would that decrease performance that much? |
| 02:15.43 | Gnurdux | actually how slow is minix 3? |
| 02:15.45 | jelly-home | gbp: it's a competitive advantage, so they should give it away? why? |
| 02:15.51 | unixSnob | doubts performance would be compromised... certainly not enough to offset the reliability gain |
| 02:15.52 | pickcoder | Gnurdux: it already has |
| 02:16.03 | pickcoder | they still have not fixed the FS performance bugs |
| 02:16.16 | Gnurdux | what fs performance bugs |
| 02:16.19 | pickcoder | file copying |
| 02:16.22 | pickcoder | extremely slow |
| 02:16.43 | jescis | I used minix 3 |
| 02:16.59 | gbp | jelly: it will never happen i know for those reasons :) was just speaking my mind |
| 02:17.06 | unixSnob | well, you need to account for the slowness of using a filesystem with chronic fragmentation issues |
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| 02:17.33 | Gnurdux | hmm |
| 02:17.37 | jescis | I had no way of going online with it :( |
| 02:17.49 | unixSnob | ext2 doesn't fragment significantly |
| 02:18.02 | Gnurdux | how much slower are modern microkernel based systems than Linux? |
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| 02:18.52 | unixSnob | userland drivers is a feature of microkernels... but does userland drivers imply a microkernel underneath? |
| 02:19.16 | linuxguy | Abrotman........thanks eveything seems to be fine........but i cant get glxgears to work.........theres a grep | ?? to see if things are ok......what is it please? |
| 02:19.20 | unixSnob | i think a monolithic kernel can still support userland drivers |
| 02:19.31 | jelly-home | unixSnob: you _think_? |
| 02:19.44 | unixSnob | y not? |
| 02:19.46 | webman | I am attempting to install debian testing beta 2 onto a server but it won't find my HDD. I have loaded my PCI SATA card driver sata_inic162x but it won't find any HDD |
| 02:20.00 | JordiGH | linuxguy: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 02:20.17 | pickcoder | webman: proprietary driver? |
| 02:20.23 | jelly-home | unixSnob: because there already are userland drivers for eg. linux. No need to ponder. |
| 02:20.25 | abrotman | linuxguy: i don't use nvidia stuff .. unsure |
| 02:20.38 | webman | pickcoder: no that driver comes with linux kernel ... |
| 02:20.52 | linuxguy | abrotman, ......ok thanks |
| 02:21.09 | extor | Is there any way to incorporate a geoip database into an iptables build? I saw an article on debian.org from 2006 but can't seem to find an iptables-geoip .deb package even now |
| 02:21.12 | pickcoder | webman: I dunno about that driver.. if it's a soft-raid card then you will probably have to use SATA mode |
| 02:21.12 | unixSnob | jelly-home: well someone brought up microkernels as if to make the error in thinking userland drivers implies a microkernel |
| 02:21.23 | linuxguy | JordiGH, .......it returned this message : pctech:/home/linuxguy# glxinfo | grep direct |
| 02:21.24 | linuxguy | bash: glxinfo: command not found |
| 02:21.40 | pickcoder | webman: I'm sure google has more info than I do |
| 02:21.57 | pickcoder | (btw which card is it?) |
| 02:22.10 | jelly-home | unixSnob: right, just saying there's no need to think about why that might be wrong, when there are examples to prove it wrong. |
| 02:22.19 | unixSnob | so suppose I install the driver that the new kernel didn't inherit -- am I asking for problems? |
| 02:22.24 | webman | pickcoder: I searched google, it says the newer linux kernel should support it.... |
| 02:22.39 | pickcoder | define newer |
| 02:22.44 | webman | pickcoder: Initio INI-1623 |
| 02:22.53 | unixSnob | pickcoder: 2.6.25 |
| 02:22.55 | webman | newer than debian stable ... |
| 02:23.00 | unixSnob | (vs. 2.6.18) |
| 02:23.19 | pickcoder | unixSnob: I know which kernels are in the versions |
| 02:23.19 | jelly-home | unixSnob: if you install ntfs-3g that uses an old FUSE API, and upgrade the kernel, it might fail to work. |
| 02:23.22 | unixSnob | 2.6.25 is in debian stable, AFAIK |
| 02:23.39 | Nyle | .24 |
| 02:23.42 | pickcoder | unixSnob: no.. it's in backports.. which isn't part of the stable release |
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| 02:23.51 | webman | unixSnob: on the installation CD ?? I am pretty sure it is 2.6.18 still .... |
| 02:24.09 | unixSnob | ah... perhaps.. i know I had backports setup. perhaps i installed too new of a kernel then |
| 02:24.11 | pickcoder | .18 is the stable kernel |
| 02:24.28 | jescis | webman, 4.0r4 uses 2.6.24 instead |
| 02:24.34 | webman | unixSnob: where did you see 2.6.25 ?? debian testing is only 2.6.24?? Do I need an even newer kernel |
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| 02:24.59 | jetscreamer | sid is .25 iirc.. or .26 |
| 02:25.00 | unixSnob | webman: 4.0r3 has 2.6.18- but i was forced to upgrade because 2.6.18 does not handle agpgart |
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| 02:25.34 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:25.36 | pickcoder | !info linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 02:25.52 | unixSnob | webman: actually, it's 2.6.26 that ihave, and it must have come from backports |
| 02:25.59 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.25+14 (sid), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
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| 02:26.13 | pickcoder | !info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 02:26.22 | unixSnob | i should add, the kernel i use is amd64 |
| 02:26.40 | Lagbolt | linux-image-2.6.25-2-686: 990 http://http.us.debian.org lenny/main Packages |
| 02:26.46 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux kernel 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+6etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 32 kB |
| 02:26.49 | pickcoder | good grief.. does dpkg ever update itself? |
| 02:27.07 | abrotman | what's worng with that ? |
| 02:27.16 | abrotman | that's correct |
| 02:27.30 | pickcoder | abrotman: I'm not disputing the info response |
| 02:27.40 | abrotman | the bot updates all the time |
| 02:27.43 | Lagbolt | abrotman, is it? i show lenny with 25 |
| 02:27.49 | abrotman | he checked etch |
| 02:27.49 | pickcoder | it always updates when I ask it something |
| 02:27.51 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:27.56 | abrotman | pickcoder: so why did you ask? |
| 02:28.07 | pickcoder | ask what? |
| 02:28.08 | unixSnob | webman: sorry man - i was right the first time... the latest available to me as a stable w/ backports setup is 2.6.25-2, and that's what i have |
| 02:28.09 | Lagbolt | i didnt ask. i was just saying cause people were talken bout it |
| 02:28.10 | abrotman | if he updates |
| 02:28.14 | pickcoder | ugh |
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| 02:28.23 | abrotman | Lagbolt: right ..y ou have lenny . he checked etch .. notice the difference? |
| 02:28.28 | webman | unixSnob: so do you have/use this card? |
| 02:28.39 | linuxguy | JordiGh........did you see my message? |
| 02:29.03 | Lagbolt | abrotman, right, but before he did it without the etch and it said 25 was in sid not lenny |
| 02:29.12 | Lagbolt | couple lines up |
| 02:29.30 | unixSnob | webman: which card are you talking about? I had to upgrade the kernel to support the intel GMA X3100 GM965 -- and in the process, i lost my wifi nic driver (ipw3945) |
| 02:29.33 | pickcoder | !info linux-image-2.6-686 testing |
| 02:29.44 | pickcoder | waits for updates again |
| 02:29.51 | abrotman | Lagbolt: that's the metapackage .. the metapackage hasn't been changed for .26 yet |
| 02:30.03 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6-686: (Linux 2.6 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.25+14 (lenny), Packaged size: 2 kB, Installed size: 8 kB |
| 02:30.03 | webman | INI-1623 (initio dual sata PCI card) |
| 02:30.16 | Lagbolt | ah, i see |
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| 02:30.30 | unixSnob | webman: if i have that, i don't know it. my T61 has sata, but not sure what chips control it |
| 02:31.26 | jescis | !4.0r4 |
| 02:31.26 | dpkg | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0r4 was released on July 26th, 2008. This release contains an updated installer, the network-console installation option is no longer vulnerable to the issue described in <DSA1571>. It also includes 2.6.24 kernel images and related new packages, to provide support for hardware requiring updated drivers. http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080726 Also ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
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| 02:31.40 | abrotman | !tell jescis about msg the bot |
| 02:32.08 | linuxguy | abrotman, .........is there an aptitude update I should do as well ? |
| 02:32.14 | webman | since it uses the sata_inic162x module, and it has loaded/detected the card, where/how can I see why it doesn't see the HDD ? |
| 02:32.29 | abrotman | linuxguy: try it |
| 02:32.34 | webman | I've looked under /proc/ide and /proc/scsi but the card doesn't even show up there |
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| 02:32.52 | jescis | abrotman, I know, I did before I did it in here. |
| 02:33.00 | linuxguy | abrotman, ........whats the command please? apptitude && update? |
| 02:33.26 | abrotman | man aptitude |
| 02:33.47 | pickcoder | webman: no errors of any kind? |
| 02:34.00 | pickcoder | dmesg / syslog / messages /etc |
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| 02:34.14 | lastn0de | aptitude upgrade finds a conflict, and cant resolve it, so im using apt-get upgrade for now, but is there anwyay i can resolve this? my sources.list is up to date |
| 02:34.17 | webman | pickcoder: no, none that I saw |
| 02:34.31 | pickcoder | webman: could it be LBA related? |
| 02:34.38 | pickcoder | I.E. check the drive settings in BIOS |
| 02:34.41 | jescis | abrotman, it's just it seemed they were confused about what kernel is in etch and all. |
| 02:34.43 | webman | pickcoder: remember I am on the installation CD... so not a lot of options |
| 02:35.04 | webman | pickcoder: it is a PCI add-on card... |
| 02:35.04 | pickcoder | webman: er..does it have a card BIOS? |
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| 02:35.43 | webman | pickcoder: I think, I pressed some key combo to get to the card setup at boot, and it detected the two HDD's attached. |
| 02:36.06 | webman | pickcoder: I configured the two drives as RAID-1 and it took a few hours to 'format' them .... |
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| 02:36.24 | webman | but now from linux, it can't see any drives at all .... |
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| 02:37.55 | pickcoder | webman: is that a SIIG card? |
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| 02:38.39 | webman | pickcoder: where would I see that info ? |
| 02:38.48 | pickcoder | when you bought it |
| 02:38.56 | pickcoder | or on the card |
| 02:39.09 | pickcoder | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductReview.aspx?Item=16-150-009&SortField=3&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=50&SelectedRating=-1&PurchaseMark=&VideoOnlyMark=False |
| 02:39.14 | pickcoder | interesting comments there |
| 02:39.21 | webman | pickcoder: I don't have the box/etc with me now.... |
| 02:39.31 | pickcoder | that's all I can really dig up without having the keyboard in my hands |
| 02:39.53 | pickcoder | there is a lot of "in don't work!" threads all over the web |
| 02:39.57 | pickcoder | s/is/are |
| 02:40.00 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 02:40.02 | pickcoder | s/in/it |
| 02:40.12 | pickcoder | my hands aren't working either |
| 02:40.27 | pickcoder | webman: try it in SATA mode first |
| 02:40.47 | pickcoder | if it's a windows card, it's softRAID |
| 02:41.05 | pickcoder | apparently the driver sucks |
| 02:41.08 | pickcoder | bbiab |
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| 02:44.21 | LemensTS | hey whats the mirc help channel, i can get my ID to log in, says its in use |
| 02:45.02 | LemensTS | wait it finally is working, been trying for like 2 hours.. |
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| 02:45.43 | pickcoder | LemensTS: if it's registered you can type /msg nickserv ghost <nick> <pass> |
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| 02:49.33 | unixSnob | Am i going to get burned if I follow these steps (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=506744) on an etch installation? |
| 02:50.01 | unixSnob | it involves grabbing some things from the gutsy repositoris |
| 02:50.15 | abrotman | don't do that |
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| 02:50.35 | unixSnob | abrotman: i appreciate the warning.. i was about to :) |
| 02:50.55 | abrotman | that's not a warning .. it will mess up your box |
| 02:51.25 | unixSnob | okay, thanks |
| 02:52.11 | lastn0de | unixSnob: ubuntu modifies a lot of code after the packages are sycned from debian |
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| 02:52.34 | lastn0de | in fact, many packages are separately maintained |
| 02:52.39 | lastn0de | following ubuntu guides for debian is not advised |
| 02:52.39 | lastn0de | unixSnob: what are you trying to do? |
| 02:52.56 | DennisO | good morningö |
| 02:53.03 | unixSnob | lastn0de: make my intel GMA X3100 GM965 work on etch |
| 02:53.05 | lontra | unixSnob: rather than grabbing gutsy packages you could grab guty sources and build the package using debian packages ... that would be the best way |
| 02:53.57 | unixSnob | lastn0de: the gma X3100 driver fails because agpgart is not available in the amd64 2.6.18 kernel |
| 02:54.13 | unixSnob | lontra: i'll look into that |
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| 02:55.19 | lastn0de | unixSnob: and the gutsy package is a kernel package with support built in? |
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| 02:56.14 | abrotman | or he could go to lenny ? |
| 02:56.18 | pedro_ | anyone know what the directvnc is in the menu or where its located? |
| 02:56.25 | unixSnob | lastn0de: yes.. that's just now occuring to me. Earlier, someone told me agpgart was added to recent kernels, and that that thread would help me |
| 02:56.25 | abrotman | and not screw up his box with ubuntu packages ? |
| 02:56.31 | pedro_ | I know what it used to be when it was "rfb" and called x0rfbserv |
| 02:56.41 | owen1_ | i found this command to show tree view of a folder - ls -R | grep ":$" | sed -e 's/:$//' -e 's/[^-][^\/]*\//--/g' -e 's/^/ /' -e 's/-/|/' how do i also see files? |
| 02:56.51 | lontra | or getting etch and half a kernel? |
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| 02:57.13 | abrotman | he'd need the etchnhalf intel driver also IIRC |
| 02:57.28 | unixSnob | lontra: is the etch+1/2 kernel 2.6.25-2? |
| 02:57.34 | lontra | 2.6.24 |
| 02:57.44 | lontra | 2.6.25 is in lenny |
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| 02:58.14 | unixSnob | lontra: i discovered my wifi nic is only supported in 2.6.18.. so i'm now trying to avoid using a newer kernel |
| 02:58.17 | lastn0de | unixSnob: you're on sarge? |
| 02:58.23 | lontra | unixSnob: ah i see |
| 02:58.35 | unixSnob | lastn0de: i'm on etch with backports |
| 02:58.46 | lontra | unixSnob: could still add etchnhalf kernel and see if it works with your wifi nic |
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| 02:59.03 | lastn0de | 2.6.25-2 |
| 02:59.03 | lastn0de | that's what im running, but -686 |
| 02:59.04 | lontra | or roll your own kernel |
| 02:59.22 | lastn0de | unixSnob: what NIC is that? |
| 02:59.22 | lastn0de | wonders how a kernel update could remove driver support |
| 02:59.41 | unixSnob | lontra: i might try that.. although, I already installed 2.6.25-2, so maybe i'll try it on that |
| 02:59.51 | pickcoder | unixSnob: : I think that module was removed.. look for iwl |
| 03:00.01 | unixSnob | lastn0de: it uses the ipw3945 driver.. intel wifi nic |
| 03:00.11 | lontra | unixSnob: if the module is still in the kernel just not debian rolling your own would be the way to go |
| 03:00.54 | unixSnob | lontra: are you talking about the nic driver, or video driver? |
| 03:01.07 | tubbybastard | I am connecting with an ipw3945 right now on kernel 2.6.24 |
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| 03:01.24 | lontra | unixSnob: wireless works now right? just not video? |
| 03:01.28 | lontra | i came in too late |
| 03:01.32 | pickcoder | tubbybastard: I just installed .25 and it's not in /lib/modules |
| 03:01.51 | unixSnob | lontra: right. on 2.6.18 the wifi nic works, but the video is vesa |
| 03:02.01 | lontra | what card? |
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| 03:02.07 | lontra | intel? |
| 03:02.35 | unixSnob | lontra: and on 2.6.25-2, the video should work in theory, but the intel nic doesn't (although tubbybastard may be on to something) |
| 03:02.45 | unixSnob | lontra: intel for both the nic and the video |
| 03:03.09 | tubbybastard | lenny recognized both on clean install by default |
| 03:03.15 | lastnode | how could a module be gone from .24 to .25? |
| 03:03.15 | lastnode | that's really weird |
| 03:03.17 | unixSnob | lontra: the video is intel GMA x3100 GM965, and the wifi nic is an intel ipw3945 |
| 03:03.34 | lontra | i would think both should work fine on lenny |
| 03:03.59 | lontra | but i know you're on etch ;) |
| 03:04.22 | unixSnob | sounds like migrating to lenny might be the best approach |
| 03:04.31 | unixSnob | is that simply a dist-upgrade? |
| 03:04.40 | tubbybastard | do you have the firware in place for the nic? |
| 03:04.54 | unixSnob | tubbybastard: in 2.6.18 i do |
| 03:05.06 | unixSnob | tubbybastard: the nic works in 2.6.18 |
| 03:05.14 | lontra | unixSnob: yup and setting /etc/apt/sources.list to 'lenny' instead of 'etch' or 'stable' |
| 03:05.48 | lontra | unixSnob: lenny is becoming 'stabler' every day |
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| 03:06.33 | tubbybastard | unixsnob, does your driver version match the firmware version? |
| 03:07.01 | tubbybastard | i have been using lenny for months on my laptop beautifully |
| 03:07.11 | pickcoder | the ipw3945 is not part of the etch kernel package |
| 03:07.19 | pickcoder | it's a separate package apparently |
| 03:07.26 | lontra | yeah i've been following lenny w/ some sid and experimental packages since shortly after etch was released and have encountered no real issues |
| 03:07.27 | pickcoder | and I don't see one backported for 2.6.25 |
| 03:07.54 | tubbybastard | pickcoder: I am really surprised by that |
| 03:07.56 | pickcoder | !info ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686 etch |
| 03:07.58 | dpkg | ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686: (Intel PRO/Wireless 3945ABG (ipw3945) driver modules for Linux 2.6.18 on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4), section contrib/admin, is optional. Version: 2.6.18+1.1.2-4+etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 319 kB, Installed size: 940 kB |
| 03:08.01 | unixSnob | tubbybastard: doesn't look like they match "firmware-ipw3945 0.4+etchnhalf.1" and "ipw3945d 1.7.22-4"... but it still works |
| 03:08.04 | pickcoder | !info ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 03:08.21 | unixSnob | pickcoder: i think the driver may have come from backports.. not sure |
| 03:08.31 | pickcoder | it's not in backports for 2.6.25 |
| 03:08.50 | pickcoder | !info ipw3945-modules-2.6.18-6-686 testing |
| 03:09.02 | pickcoder | it's only in etch |
| 03:09.05 | pickcoder | for 2.6.18 |
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| 03:09.18 | unixSnob | okay, that would be where i got it |
| 03:09.25 | tubbybastard | bummer |
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| 03:10.08 | pickcoder | unixSnob: you can build the module from source for 2.6.25 |
| 03:10.15 | pickcoder | just get the modules source package from 2.6.17 |
| 03:10.17 | pickcoder | ~18 |
| 03:10.18 | apt | it has been said that 18 is enough for me |
| 03:10.29 | pickcoder | use module-assistant |
| 03:11.25 | unixSnob | pickcoder: sounds less risky than going to lenny.. i might do that. guess i should make sure 2.6.25 actually fixed the video first (haven't verified that yet) |
| 03:11.30 | pickcoder | lenny doesn't have it |
| 03:11.35 | pickcoder | neither does sid |
| 03:11.40 | pickcoder | I'm guess it was yanked |
| 03:11.45 | pickcoder | ~guessing |
| 03:11.59 | pickcoder | or compiled into the kernel |
| 03:12.15 | pickcoder | if it was compiled into the kernel then the bpo 2.6.25 would be working |
| 03:12.20 | pickcoder | and it's not |
| 03:12.29 | unixSnob | tubbybastard: what kind of laptop do you use? |
| 03:12.45 | pickcoder | there was discussion earlier this week about ipw versus ipl |
| 03:12.52 | pickcoder | I didn't really pay attenting |
| 03:12.54 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 03:12.55 | pickcoder | attention |
| 03:13.34 | pickcoder | all of my nics are well support and they aren't wireless |
| 03:13.36 | unixSnob | pickcoder: any chance my ipw3945 binary driver for 2.6.18 simply works on 2.6.25? |
| 03:13.46 | pickcoder | unixSnob: absolutely not |
| 03:13.59 | pickcoder | even if you changed GCC versions it wouldn't load |
| 03:14.01 | unixSnob | okay.. i'll get the source then |
| 03:14.16 | pickcoder | be very weary of the GCC version of your running kernel |
| 03:14.24 | pickcoder | it has to match the module's GCC version too |
| 03:15.15 | wols_ | unixSnob: there is a new driver for i3945 |
| 03:15.24 | pickcoder | yay wols_ |
| 03:15.26 | pickcoder | :) |
| 03:15.33 | wols_ | !tell unixSnob about iwlwifi |
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| 03:15.43 | unixSnob | thanks wols_ |
| 03:16.06 | pickcoder | iwl was it |
| 03:16.10 | pickcoder | not ipl |
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| 03:16.42 | ac3of7 | how do i "clear private data" form iceweasel in terminal |
| 03:16.42 | webman | pickcoder: I changed the card bios to passthrough instead of raid 1 and I see some messages in dmesg when the driver loads |
| 03:16.51 | pickcoder | makes a mental note with dry-erase ink |
| 03:17.06 | pickcoder | webman: pastebin them |
| 03:17.14 | dniel | when does debian lenny have KDE4 in its repository? |
| 03:17.20 | lontra | dniel: never |
| 03:17.28 | lontra | dniel: only via backports |
| 03:17.32 | webman | pickcoder: it says "ERROR: this driver doesn't support LBA48 yet..." how could I use debian stable or debian testing with a newer kernel ? |
| 03:17.36 | dniel | lontra: why not? |
| 03:17.40 | lontra | dniel: kde3 will ship w/ lenny |
| 03:17.50 | lastnode | dniel:of course debian testing will have kde4 |
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| 03:17.54 | lastnode | (eventaully) |
| 03:17.59 | lontra | lastnode: after lenny is released |
| 03:18.02 | lastnode | so just change yoru repos to 'testing' and wait :) |
| 03:18.03 | lastnode | yes |
| 03:18.03 | linkmaster03 | in the hplip HP Device Manager, when I try to enter my USB printer location which is 005:010 it searches for 005:001. please help |
| 03:18.06 | lastnode | that's what i meant |
| 03:18.09 | lontra | ;) |
| 03:18.34 | lontra | dniel: kde4 will be available as a backport for lenny ... you can also get it by adding the packages from experimental |
| 03:18.40 | dniel | lontra: and when it will happen? |
| 03:18.52 | lontra | dniel: when lenny is released |
| 03:19.01 | lontra | !kde4 |
| 03:19.02 | dpkg | i heard kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde not in #debian. See <kde version>. |
| 03:19.04 | dniel | lontra: yes but when? |
| 03:19.22 | dniel | lontra: when does lenny will be released? |
| 03:19.22 | lontra | lol ... when will lenny be released ... um ... not going to make a guess |
| 03:19.31 | dniel | ah! |
| 03:19.37 | pickcoder | webman: get a better card.. how large is your drive? |
| 03:19.50 | lontra | suppose to be sept 2008 .. but i doubt it ... probably early 2009 ... but i have no idea |
| 03:19.59 | lontra | i just made it up |
| 03:20.06 | wols_ | !tell dniel about wir |
| 03:20.10 | lontra | lenny will definitely be released before lenny+1 |
| 03:20.13 | webman | pickcoder: I have 2 x 500GB drives that I want to use in RAID1, I can use the md driver for that though.... |
| 03:20.15 | pickcoder | dniel: when all of the RC bugs are fixed( which aren't supposed to be ignored_ |
| 03:20.36 | pickcoder | webman: I don't think that's going to happen if the driver can't handle LBA48 access |
| 03:20.38 | dniel | ah! ok. Thanks! |
| 03:20.46 | ac3of7 | somebody know how to "clear private data" form iceweasel without starting X |
| 03:21.07 | wols_ | delete various files in ~/.mozilla |
| 03:21.13 | webman | pickcoder: I am sure I read that someone had fixed the driver for the card, but it wasn't until 2.6.24 or 2.6.25 (I don't recall exactly, it was very late friday night, and I can't find it on google now)... |
| 03:21.30 | ac3of7 | wols_: various ??? which one is it |
| 03:21.33 | lontra | dniel: but really if you know your way around debian and kde ... you can run the experimental packages for kde4 ... they work well |
| 03:21.38 | DennisO | hello |
| 03:21.41 | wols_ | depends on the data |
| 03:21.54 | linkmaster03 | in the hplip HP Device Manager, when I try to enter my USB printer location which is 005:010 it searches for 005:001. please help |
| 03:21.59 | webman | I was hoping the supported kernel would be the one with debian testing, but it seems it is still not current enough, but I don't really want to use unstable distro .... |
| 03:22.01 | dniel | lontra: and how can I add experimental branch and only the kde4's packages will be installed and no more? |
| 03:22.02 | ac3of7 | like passwords and so on wols_ |
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| 03:22.32 | DennisO | I have just installed sensors, because he put: "No sensors found!". sensors-detect its okay. idea? |
| 03:22.39 | lontra | dniel: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 03:22.52 | pickcoder | webman: I dunno.. looking around for info |
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| 03:23.34 | n-iCe | who has used splashy? |
| 03:23.35 | lontra | dniel: you're running lenny? if you are use should set up /etc/apt/apt.conf to point to lenny by default ... so paste this in /etc/apt/apt.conf (without quotations) -> "APT::Default-Release "testing"; |
| 03:23.57 | ac3of7 | well i guess the savest would be to apt-get remove --purge iceweasel && apt-get install iceweasel wols_ |
| 03:24.08 | lontra | dniel: also you'll need to probably add sid sources too ... but if this breaks kde for you you're only place to get support i would imagine is #debian-kde |
| 03:24.27 | webman | ac3of7: I don't think that would work, because apt-get --purge won't remove data in /home/user/blah |
| 03:24.31 | cast | righto, i have a mboxrd file, containing a series of emails. i want to extract all the pro^H^H^Httachments sent by one sender, suggestions? |
| 03:24.42 | lontra | dniel: oops ... just w/o that right quotation .. that one should be around testing |
| 03:24.58 | webman | cast: reformime |
| 03:25.08 | wols_ | cast: perl, python. whateve understands mbox |
| 03:25.13 | lontra | dniel: most kde folks hang out on irc.oftc.net #debian-kde |
| 03:25.40 | cast | hmm |
| 03:26.12 | dniel | lontra: thanks! :) |
| 03:26.16 | pickcoder | 2.6.26 included an LBA48 patch |
| 03:26.21 | lontra | dniel: good luck ;) |
| 03:26.21 | dniel | lontra: I'll do that! |
| 03:26.28 | ac3of7 | webman: that is right so if i rm -r ~/.mozilla/ that should get rid of all my privat data but next time somebody starts iceweasel i will recreate a new clean profile right? |
| 03:26.33 | dniel | lontra: do you use kde4? |
| 03:26.37 | lontra | dniel: yup |
| 03:26.49 | lontra | dniel: works great here |
| 03:26.59 | webman | ac3of7: if that is the only place it stores data in the users home dir, then yes.... |
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| 03:27.19 | lontra | dniel: and 4.1.0 is much more stable and complete than 4.0.0 ... no random plasma crashes ;) |
| 03:27.50 | webman | ac3of7: create a new user, login to X, logout, cp -r /home/user /home/user.pre, then login and start iceweasel/etc, logout, and now compare file/dirs in /home/user and /home/user.pre |
| 03:28.00 | dniel | lontra: do yoo follow the instruction of http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html? |
| 03:28.24 | webman | pickcoder: I found this document, http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel I'll work my through it and see if I can get something to work |
| 03:28.58 | webman | pickcoder: my other possibly easier option might be to install onto an IDE drive, and then I can re-compile my own custom kernel more easily from there... |
| 03:29.01 | ac3of7 | webman: it's my personal data so it should only be stored in ~/ i guess ... thanks i will try that ... i can only ssh in the box at the moment ... |
| 03:29.23 | pickcoder | webman: that is preferable unless you plan on using md RAID for the system root |
| 03:29.44 | webman | ac3of7: remember, if you really want to run a X app remotely, you can ssh -X (or ssh -x I forget which) into the box, and then run your X app.... |
| 03:29.47 | pickcoder | (you can't use card RAID.. it won't work) |
| 03:29.51 | wols_ | webman: /msg dpkg etchnhalf /msg dpkg kmuto |
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| 03:29.58 | pickcoder | buy a better card if you want easier RAID |
| 03:29.59 | lontra | dniel: yeah |
| 03:30.14 | wols_ | buy a better card if you want real raid |
| 03:30.19 | lontra | dniel: but i also set up /etc/apt/apt.conf so that i don't get packages from sid or experimental unless i specify it |
| 03:30.30 | lontra | !tell dniel about mixed system |
| 03:30.31 | pickcoder | wols_: I didn't want to say that with all of the md RAID advocates around |
| 03:30.34 | pickcoder | :P |
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| 03:30.47 | lontra | dniel: that'll tell you how to cherry pick packages |
| 03:30.49 | webman | pickcoder: don't suppose you know a cheap pci sata card ?? I really don't mind using md driver for raid, I use that a lot, just need the PCI SATA adaptor |
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| 03:32.35 | lontra | dniel: also if you're running kde3 ... i'd recommend install kde4-minimal first and then going from there based on that website |
| 03:32.55 | dniel | lontra: I didn't understand your english :(. I from Argentina. What is the meaning of "to cherry"? |
| 03:33.22 | lontra | dniel: oh i mean you can pick packages from sid and experimental as you want without upgrading your system to sid |
| 03:33.38 | dniel | lontra: ahh! :) |
| 03:33.53 | dniel | lontra: perfect! |
| 03:34.05 | lontra | dniel: ;) |
| 03:34.06 | wols_ | lontra: please don't say such things |
| 03:34.58 | dniel | lontra: and how can I do to install sid pacjages. With -t option? |
| 03:35.01 | lontra | wols_: he wanted to try kde4 ... i gave him the caveat that he'd need to add sid and experimental repos ... told him to set up a mixed system with pinning ... not sure why that's a problem |
| 03:35.06 | lontra | dniel: yes |
| 03:35.09 | dniel | :) |
| 03:35.20 | lontra | wols_: kde4 needs testers |
| 03:35.53 | dniel | lontra: and if I don't use -t option it only uses lenny repository? |
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| 03:36.02 | lontra | dniel: yes |
| 03:36.19 | dniel | lontra: excellent! thank a lot for the information! |
| 03:36.22 | lontra | dniel: or whatever is set as default in /etc/apt/apt.conf ... which should be 'testing' |
| 03:36.27 | lontra | dniel: no problem |
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| 03:36.51 | wols_ | lontra: installing willy nilly packages from sid and even experimental in etch breaks the system |
| 03:36.55 | lontra | dniel: also if you encouter problems with kde4 ask in #debian-kde on irc.oftc.net not here |
| 03:37.05 | lontra | wols_: he's on lenny |
| 03:37.09 | dniel | lontra: ok! |
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| 03:37.20 | lontra | dniel: they'll know your problems much better |
| 03:37.28 | lontra | dniel: and will happily give you support |
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| 03:37.43 | dniel | lontra: yes! I'll do that! |
| 03:37.56 | LunarCrisis | can anyone recommend something to use to rip CDs which lets you choose which freedb match to use? |
| 03:39.46 | pickcoder | webman: not off the top of my head |
| 03:39.54 | pickcoder | I normally use on-board chipsets |
| 03:39.59 | Tramp | LunarCrisis: abcde |
| 03:40.02 | pickcoder | or Areca or 3Ware RAID cards |
| 03:40.20 | pickcoder | there is a hw compat list on the web |
| 03:40.59 | wols_ | lontra: same thing. lenny is now frozen so sid won't be like lenny with libc6 anymore soon |
| 03:41.18 | extor | Do Computer Science students in Germany usually do their work on Linux rather than on the windows platform? |
| 03:41.34 | wols_ | extor: how is this a debian question? |
| 03:41.52 | extor | wols_, perhaps they prefer debian over redhat |
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| 03:42.03 | LunarCrisis | Tramp, thanks, I'm checking it out |
| 03:42.20 | wols_ | extor: this is a debian support channel only. not for generic polls. ##linux |
| 03:42.34 | extor | Sorry |
| 03:42.43 | pickcoder | !popcon |
| 03:42.43 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
| 03:42.58 | pickcoder | though, that probably won't provide any useful info for what you're asking |
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| 03:44.43 | pickcoder | webman: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
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| 04:07.29 | nvz | does anyone know how to associate programs with file types in nautilus? i.e. how to make it always open .exe with wine? |
| 04:08.12 | nvz | !ops BrentHecht /msg spam on join and continuing to rant in /msg |
| 04:08.12 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: nvz complains about: BrentHecht /msg spam on join and continuing to rant in /msg |
| 04:09.00 | nvz | oh well he doesn't seem to be in here.. my bad.. gonna have to talk to freenode staff |
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| 04:11.20 | nvz | and still changing nicks and ranting |
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| 04:12.42 | acidslep | NO sound at all |
| 04:12.53 | acidslep | where should i go |
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| 04:14.23 | kingsley | acidslep: A common lament. I suggest Googling for a linux sound howto. |
| 04:14.40 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know how we debian works on MacPros? |
| 04:14.48 | amine | hey, i've got a couple questions.. how can I get a list of currently installed packages / why won't aptitude remove /etc/init.d/apache2 when i do aptitude remove/purge apache2 ? |
| 04:14.52 | kingsley | s/we/well/ |
| 04:14.58 | Resnick | acidslep: Have you added yourself to the appropriate group in /etc/group? |
| 04:15.26 | kingsley | amine: Do "dpkg -l | less'. |
| 04:15.41 | kingsley | amine: I domn |
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| 04:16.24 | kingsley | amine: I don't know why /etc/init.d/apache2 remained. Maybe it's a bug. You might want to search debian's bug tracking system. |
| 04:17.17 | amine | perfect, solved my own question |
| 04:17.26 | amine | i just did dpkg -i | grep apache |
| 04:17.31 | amine | I figured something was being left behind |
| 04:17.44 | amine | Thank you |
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| 04:18.46 | doublehp | port "113/tcp open auth" is open by which daemon ? |
| 04:18.52 | eljefe | I have a Pentium D processor, which is dual-core http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_D . How can I get my Debian to see the two cores? Or how can I be sure that it is already? My KCPULoad app only shows one, as does /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 04:19.19 | mhymn | doublehp: inetd |
| 04:20.31 | mhymn | eljefe: dmesg |
| 04:20.51 | doublehp | mhymn: which service does this port provide ? can there be security concern if open on public IP ? |
| 04:21.36 | Lagbolt | eljefe, what kern you running? |
| 04:21.58 | mhymn | doublehp: afaik no, you can close it by commenting "ident ..." line in /etc/inetd.conf |
| 04:22.48 | eljefe | 2.6.25-2-486 ; my dmesg |grep -i cpu isn't giving anything useful, it may be old data be now, no longer boot up info. |
| 04:23.29 | Lagbolt | eljefe, i think you need to switch to 686, dont think 486 has smp |
| 04:23.38 | eljefe | that sounds right, I' |
| 04:23.42 | eljefe | ll try it thanks! |
| 04:25.31 | eljefe | I am running 32bit linux but its a 64bit processor; would just upgrading the kernel help me at all to use the 64bit? |
| 04:25.43 | pickcoder | 486 does not support smp |
| 04:25.46 | pickcoder | 686 does |
| 04:26.02 | pickcoder | and you need bigmem if you have over 3GB |
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| 04:26.29 | eljefe | but the 64bit, any benefit there? |
| 04:26.36 | eljefe | if it was just the kernel? |
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| 04:26.56 | pickcoder | doing any bit encoding? |
| 04:27.05 | n3kl | what package is cdrecord in? |
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| 04:27.18 | n3kl | wodim, nvm |
| 04:27.19 | eljefe | bit encoding? not sure. |
| 04:27.24 | jescis | What is an Athlon XP 2000+ cpu? k7 or 686? |
| 04:27.32 | doublehp | n3kl: may have been renamed dvdrecord ... |
| 04:27.39 | n3kl | Ahh |
| 04:27.44 | pickcoder | DVD encoding, large image processing, etc |
| 04:27.45 | doublehp | n3kl: search "drecord" |
| 04:27.50 | eljefe | yes, i do that. |
| 04:28.04 | doublehp | n3kl: since ... i dont know what, they decided this :) |
| 04:28.46 | pickcoder | if the apps are 64-bit you may gain a little performance |
| 04:29.00 | nvz | anywho.. I got logged off cause my laptop went dead.. hehe |
| 04:29.17 | n3kl | A small amount of performance for native execution, but for a desktop machine, its not worth it, imho |
| 04:29.18 | eljefe | so, the apps and the kernel should be 64bit for that benefit, right? Which really means a reinstall with 64bit binarys/repos ? |
| 04:29.23 | n3kl | too many hoops to jump through |
| 04:29.23 | nvz | could anyone tell me how to associate applications with file types in nautilus? |
| 04:29.29 | doublehp | n3kl: in old distro, i still have cdrecord package ... |
| 04:29.38 | pickcoder | eljefe: yeah.. it's not worth a reinstall |
| 04:29.52 | eljefe | ok well i installed the 686, going to reboot and try this out, thanks. |
| 04:29.57 | doublehp | n3kl: "cdrecord - Dummy transition package for wodim" |
| 04:30.25 | mhymn | nvz: #gnome ? |
| 04:31.32 | acidslep | so |
| 04:31.36 | acidslep | if i understand this correctly |
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| 04:32.10 | mhymn | jescis: afaik k7 |
| 04:32.12 | n3kl | Got it, thanks! |
| 04:32.30 | acidslep | bash loads /etc/profile then ~/.bash_profile then ~/.bash_login ~/.profile |
| 04:32.32 | acidslep | right? |
| 04:32.37 | nvz | mhymn: |
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| 04:32.49 | nvz | mhymn: k, I'll try that |
| 04:33.16 | jescis | mhymn, thanks. So, do I need to change kernels if I'm using 686? |
| 04:33.22 | eljefe | Yes, now /proc/cpuinfo has two CPUs, thanks!! |
| 04:33.29 | mhymn | nvz: im sorry i couldnt help you, i use KDE ;) |
| 04:33.47 | nvz | hehe |
| 04:33.57 | eljefe | but, KCPUInfo only shows one still. sigh. |
| 04:34.00 | nvz | I stopped using KDE when I moved from Mandrake to Debian |
| 04:34.07 | nvz | i.e. when I stopped being a newbie |
| 04:34.22 | eljefe | ouch; i love the KDE |
| 04:34.27 | nvz | I don't really need a DE anymore |
| 04:34.31 | nvz | too much extra crap |
| 04:34.39 | nvz | which is why I haven't kept up with any of em |
| 04:34.42 | keith4_ | just a WM and xterm! |
| 04:34.47 | nvz | lol, yep |
| 04:35.07 | neonlightning | loves fluxbox |
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| 04:35.07 | neonlightning | cept me its a wm and mrxvt |
| 04:35.07 | nvz | I actually like aterms psuedo trans |
| 04:35.29 | mhymn | jescis: no need, but it wont hurt if you test k7 too |
| 04:36.46 | jescis | mhymn, I always like to help. The main problem I have is that I'm no good at programming :( |
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| 04:37.34 | Nyle | damnit |
| 04:37.52 | jescis | wb Nyle |
| 04:38.16 | Nyle | thanks |
| 04:38.42 | Resnick | neonlightning: Thanks for the tip on mrxvt. I was just looking for a decent term. |
| 04:39.03 | neonlightning | Resnick, you can do tabs with rxvt but i found it to be rather buggy |
| 04:39.24 | neonlightning | Resnick, so i went with mrxvt but crtl+tab only goes through the last two you used |
| 04:39.35 | Resnick | neonlightning: I recently discovered the joys of screen :) no worries there. |
| 04:39.52 | neonlightning | Resnick, just go with urxvt then |
| 04:40.53 | amine | kingsley: thank you for your help earlier |
| 04:40.55 | Resnick | neonlightning: I will give it another shot, but it seemed a bit sliggish when I last tried it. |
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| 04:41.16 | neonlightning | idk i've never head speed issue with a term other then konsole |
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| 04:42.07 | mhymn | Resnick: http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/20-most-nimble-and-simple-x-window.html |
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| 04:42.36 | Resnick | mhymn: Thanks for that. Reading it now. |
| 04:42.43 | mhymn | np |
| 04:43.31 | Jester45 | i cant wait for my kvm switch to come in |
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| 04:44.29 | Jester45 | ive been hearing about lag times with them. is this a constant lag between pressing a key and it being displayed or just a lag while switching imputs |
| 04:46.40 | Resnick | neonlightning: Just grabbed urxvt, works wonderfully. Thanks. Must have been something I did to a previous compile. I have a habit of breaking things that shouldn't break :) |
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| 04:47.06 | neonlightning | Resnick, i'm known for that specific reason on the fedora channel :P |
| 04:47.17 | Resnick | neonlightning: :) |
| 04:47.57 | Ygg_Shac1 | hi, how do i find out what version of fftw im running ? |
| 04:49.28 | SeveredCross | Ygg_Shac1: dpkg -l whatever-fftw-package-name |
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| 04:51.30 | Resnick | Is the grub.conf actual menu.lst in Lenny? It's been a while since I last tangled with grub. |
| 04:51.34 | cast | webman: unfortunately that program is buggy in etch :( |
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| 04:52.51 | acidslep | udev |
| 04:52.52 | acidslep | woups |
| 04:52.54 | acidslep | mt |
| 04:53.21 | Ygg_Shac1 | http://www.dxzone.com/cgi-bin/dir/jump2.cgi?ID=16735 |
| 04:53.24 | Ygg_Shac1 | grr just trying to compile that.. |
| 04:54.43 | extor | Designing BSD rootkits - An introduction to kernel hacking. <--- WTF! Christ...is every script kiddie going to start rolling their own rootkit now? |
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| 04:56.43 | neonlightning | extor, idk haven't they already |
| 04:57.03 | webman | cast: what is buggy about it ? It works fine for me.... |
| 04:57.15 | extor | well this is going to increase their ranks by a factor of 50 X |
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| 04:57.33 | cast | erm...oh, wait. munpack was the buggy one |
| 04:57.46 | cast | thinks |
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| 04:58.21 | madhat | anyone want to help me get my microphone working? |
| 04:58.50 | Resnick | madhat: I can try, but I am not so knowledgable. |
| 04:59.08 | madhat | do you know how to detect what microphone i have? |
| 04:59.15 | madhat | i have a brand new dell xps m1330 |
| 05:00.03 | Resnick | madhat: Are your audio levels set correctly? |
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| 05:00.25 | madhat | Resnick: how do i check? |
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| 05:01.02 | Resnick | madhat: If you're running gnome or kde you can check in the mixer. Or open up a terminal and fire up 'alsamixer' |
| 05:01.14 | madhat | i use oss4 |
| 05:01.54 | madhat | ossmixer cant be much different :P |
| 05:02.05 | madhat | i use xfce too, im an oddball |
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| 05:02.40 | Resnick | madhat: hehe. I don't have much experience with OSS, but I imagine the levels/switches are in there too |
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| 05:02.43 | SinaN | :D |
| 05:02.47 | SinaN | hoLa |
| 05:02.52 | Resnick | Hey :) |
| 05:03.17 | Resnick | madhat: Well, fire up xfce4-mixer (I think) and see what's lurking :) |
| 05:04.35 | Resnick | madhat: Oh, not sure if that is the command for the mixer, but I know it has one somewhere. |
| 05:04.51 | madhat | it was |
| 05:04.57 | madhat | but my mixer has always been blank |
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| 05:06.08 | Resnick | madhat: ossmixer bring any joy? |
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| 05:07.08 | madhat | Resnick: what am i looking for exactly? |
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| 05:08.18 | Resnick | madhat: Does your system play sounds OK? |
| 05:08.38 | madhat | Resnick: yeh, i have ventrilo up in wine and i hear my friend right now |
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| 05:08.56 | Ygg_Shac1 | ls |
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| 05:10.15 | madhat | here let me pastebin it |
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| 05:10.46 | Resnick | madhat: Alright. |
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| 05:11.09 | madhat | http://pastebin.com/m549421c1 |
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| 05:12.34 | Resnick | madhat: What command gave this output? |
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| 05:13.16 | ozysimpson | Just a quick question i was about to install my first linux server on esx box i am not sure to go with the rpm path or dpkg i am very new to linux world a friend of mine has suggested me to use redhat flavour as its easy to deploy could some on shed more light on this btw the server will be running application like apache and mysql |
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| 05:13.45 | ozysimpson | what i mean my rpm or dpkg is redhat or debian |
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| 05:15.20 | mhymn | ozysimpson: no one here would recommend you to use redhat instead of debian! try google'ing and chose one yourself |
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| 05:16.21 | Resnick | ozysimpson: I think if you check out wikipedia about debian and the .deb archive it should help you make your decision. |
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| 05:18.53 | ozysimpson | when i try to google some say deb some say redhat i am not sure which path to go |
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| 05:19.17 | ozysimpson | and if i choose this path i am sure i will stick with it till end of my life |
| 05:19.34 | ozysimpson | so i am making OS choice for rest of my life |
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| 05:21.07 | ozysimpson | What makes deb better than redhat ? or is it just the different way people want to go just like the political party; all do the same job but advertise differently |
| 05:21.09 | debCarlos | Hi all :) |
| 05:21.14 | debCarlos | I have a question |
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| 05:21.26 | Resnick | ozysimpson: It's all about personal preference in the long run. But I really like how solid Debian's package management is. |
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| 05:23.50 | mhymn | ozysimpson: http://www.google.com/search?q=debian+vs+redhat&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 && http://toykeeper.net/soapbox/debian-redhat/ && to many other articles out there! |
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| 05:24.11 | debCarlos | Does debian handles ok the load/unload problem with laptops hds ? |
| 05:24.11 | Resnick | ozysimpson: I would perhaps go check out http://wiki.debian.org/FrontPage and see if there are any answers for you there too. Obviously Debian specific. |
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| 05:25.44 | cweagans | ok, I need to set up a LAMP server that will allow multiple sites (domain names) to be hosted on it. Each site also needs to be able to either use the server's SSL certificate, or, if the client purchases one, their own. Is there a good tutorial on how to do this on Debian Etch? |
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| 05:26.09 | debCarlos | I mean, i know i can do hdparm -B 254 /dev/hda and solve it.... but... i don't know if that screw something else in the hd |
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| 05:27.12 | debCarlos | Anyone running a laptop knows it? |
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| 05:28.57 | MiGueLL_ | How to accept a port in Debian pls? how to make it active? |
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| 05:30.20 | debCarlos | Please, help me, i can't stand Vista, it's so bad :( |
| 05:31.43 | Resnick | debCarlos: Don't worry, it's a little quiet at the moment, but I am sure that someone will be able to help. :) |
| 05:31.51 | Crypticfortune | So, after switching from a kinda old sid to modern lenny, my Xscreensaver stopped respecting my 2 monitors as two separate screens and started using them as just 1. this makes for some dumb looking screensavers and also the login box gets split by the two monitors. Is this a driver issue (using nvidia)? some config issue i can fix myself? or should i be filing a bugreport? |
| 05:31.53 | ozysimpson | thanks guys i am reading all the good articles from google :) |
| 05:31.57 | ozysimpson | go the debian :) |
| 05:32.17 | Crypticfortune | debCarlos: what's your problem? i just got here (may not be able to help...but i'll give it a shot... |
| 05:32.28 | debCarlos | Crypticfortune: Ok |
| 05:32.52 | debCarlos | Crypticfortune: I'm asking if debian handles ok the load/unload laptops hd problem? |
| 05:33.27 | Crypticfortune | i don't know what "the load/unload laptops hd" problem refers to...? you mean hibernate/suspend to disk? |
| 05:35.18 | debCarlos | Crypticfortune: mmm, not. I mean the agresive power save "problem", that fast decrease lifetime of laptops hds |
| 05:37.24 | Crypticfortune | debCarlos: never heard of that issue. you mean aggressively putting disks into powersave reduces their life time? never heard of that...but power management stuff is all highly configurable in linux, so I'm sure you could make it do whtever you want with a little work |
| 05:37.42 | Crypticfortune | I've personally never run debian on laptops, so i don't know what default behaviour is... |
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| 05:38.07 | debCarlos | Crypticfortune: Ok, i'll pass a link to you, maybe i'm explaining myself bad... |
| 05:38.40 | cweagans | debCarlos: if you want to settle for debian-based distros, the new Ubuntu has really good hardware support...I use it all the time on my laptop (even with hibernate and suspend to ram) |
| 05:39.13 | debCarlos | cweagans: I have already installed Ubuntu, and, it have that issue :) |
| 05:39.21 | cweagans | hmm |
| 05:39.23 | cweagans | weird |
| 05:39.23 | debCarlos | cweagans: plus i like more debian |
| 05:39.27 | cweagans | lol |
| 05:39.54 | debCarlos | Ok, this is the link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/acpi-support/+bug/59695 it's from launchpad |
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| 05:40.55 | debCarlos | I know that link is from Ubuntu, but it seems to apply to debian and other Unix based systems, and Windows too |
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| 05:44.07 | debCarlos | Oh, it's load/unload cycles, it's a new hd tech :) |
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| 05:47.59 | Crypticfortune | debCarlos: if you look at the link in that post they tell you what you need to set to make ubuntu happy. not being a debian laptop user, i don't know what debian does differently... |
| 05:48.45 | debCarlos | Crypticfortune: yeah, i know, there is the second question i did.... does setting hdparm screw something else ? |
| 05:48.54 | debCarlos | *that is |
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| 05:53.29 | Crypticfortune | debCarlos: you mean like going "sudo hdparm -S 0 /dev/sda" or something? that should only effect that drive. but unless it's set through normal debian ways (ie /etc/hdparm.conf), those settings will get reset whenever the system reboots, and maybe in other cases too, i dunno (never use it myself, like i said) |
| 05:53.31 | niru | In there any security model available for debian |
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| 05:54.42 | debCarlos | Crypticfortune: It's hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda :), and my question is about if that will make the hd fail in another way? |
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| 05:59.54 | Bogus8 | Can someone please help me figure out why when I rsync over 379gigs of data (from a 441gig raid 5) it won't fit on a 463gig raid5 hitting 439gigs(max usable space) and still having quite a bit left to transfer? |
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| 06:01.04 | Crypticfortune | debCarlos: i'm afraid I couldn't tell you... |
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| 06:05.35 | cweagans | Bogus8: I know why. Because the world is coming to an end. That's why. |
| 06:05.35 | cweagans | =D |
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| 06:06.42 | sn9 | are there any known problems with gnu make in debian wrt Kbuild? |
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| 06:08.11 | debCarlos | cweagans: lol |
| 06:08.23 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: but look what happened to him! ;) |
| 06:08.41 | debCarlos | yeah lol |
| 06:09.13 | Bogus8 | spammers have gotten bad on freenode :( |
| 06:09.43 | debCarlos | Bogus8: i don |
| 06:09.43 | sn9 | i got spammed when i /joined this channel |
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| 06:10.16 | debCarlos | think he's a spammer, i was talking with him before |
| 06:10.24 | Bogus8 | I was idle for ... ever.. and hadn't got any... soon as I started talking in a channel got a pm spam... been happening from time to time now |
| 06:10.25 | debCarlos | i don't think* |
| 06:10.48 | sn9 | anybody else get that /notice just now? |
| 06:10.51 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: I didn't mean him... just speaking in general |
| 06:11.14 | Bogus8 | sn9: not I... I've just been getting PM's |
| 06:11.19 | Bogus8 | stupid ish |
| 06:11.29 | sn9 | i got a pm when i /joined |
| 06:11.36 | debCarlos | Bogus8: oh, ok, i have been spammed too... for example, one hour ago ten people pm me with the same mexican food anounce |
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| 06:12.03 | sn9 | it's this channel -- you don't get spammed if you're not in it, apparently |
| 06:12.05 | Bogus8 | yeah, sammy_food_<something> is one |
| 06:12.15 | debCarlos | yes |
| 06:12.18 | Bogus8 | sn9: happened from my talking in ubuntu also |
| 06:12.28 | sn9 | didn't to me |
| 06:12.40 | debCarlos | Me too, and i'm in #hardware too |
| 06:12.49 | Ozux | I can't change my GNOME language! I used dpkg-reconfigure locales and set my default lang to Turkish |
| 06:12.51 | debCarlos | It did happen to me in ubuntu too |
| 06:13.15 | Ozux | But when I want to login, it says there is no tr.TR_UTF-8 |
| 06:13.33 | Bogus8 | at least when I get spammed I want to hear about titties or how to get a bigger penis... these are just nonsensacle |
| 06:13.44 | debCarlos | r_i_c_k_i_e is a spam bot too |
| 06:13.44 | Bogus8 | nonsensicle? whatever |
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| 06:14.18 | debCarlos | Bogus8: lol, one speaked about brags and that he used them all day :S |
| 06:14.32 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: yeah, that doesn't cut it for me ;) |
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| 06:14.43 | debCarlos | lol |
| 06:15.19 | Ozux | Is there Spammer in #debian? |
| 06:15.24 | sn9 | yes |
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| 06:15.49 | Bogus8 | Ozux: not sure if he's in the channel but some how he's monitoring it for activity then hitting those people... or so it seems |
| 06:16.08 | Resnick | Bogus8: Yeah, it seems that way... :| |
| 06:16.12 | debCarlos | Does /notify do something to them |
| 06:16.18 | Bogus8 | <AwesomeTravis23 |
| 06:16.23 | Bogus8 | that one just hit me |
| 06:16.55 | Ozux | Bogus8, hah |
| 06:17.07 | Ozux | Bogus8, So how can Bann them? |
| 06:17.08 | Resnick | Just got one too... About 'making moolah'... least it wasn't jacking off to tornadoes or wearing bras {:| |
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| 06:17.38 | Bogus8 | Resnick: yeah, seen those also |
| 06:17.42 | sn9 | Resnick: oh? you didn't get the one about budget caskets? |
| 06:17.51 | Resnick | lol not yet |
| 06:17.51 | debCarlos | Someone in Ubuntu get spamed with the brags too lol |
| 06:17.53 | Bogus8 | well someone was speaking of the tornado one I didn't get it... unfortunately ;) |
| 06:18.11 | Resnick | Bogus8: It's special for sure. |
| 06:18.13 | debCarlos | sn9: Can you pm it to me? |
| 06:18.26 | sn9 | now i got the moolah one |
| 06:19.15 | Bogus8 | Resnick: oh the person quoted it in the channel... it was quite funny |
| 06:19.25 | debCarlos | lol, they are at least funny when you share them |
| 06:19.38 | debCarlos | at least they are funny* |
| 06:19.40 | Resnick | :) |
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| 06:20.03 | Bogus8 | not quite as funny as I imagine the author thinks they are |
| 06:20.09 | Resnick | Well, time to read up on the ignore command I guess. |
| 06:20.29 | Bogus8 | Can someone please help me figure out why when I rsync over 379gigs of data (from a 441gig raid 5) it won't fit on a 463gig raid5 hitting 439gigs(max usable space) and still having quite a bit left to transfer? |
| 06:20.41 | debCarlos | I get one that says if i want to be his slave in yahoo games lol |
| 06:20.51 | debCarlos | i just got* |
| 06:21.00 | Resnick | debCarlos: haha, got that too just a few mins ago. |
| 06:21.27 | debCarlos | And one about sk8 llol |
| 06:21.34 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: got that one a sec ago also |
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| 06:21.43 | debCarlos | lol |
| 06:22.11 | debCarlos | But this didn't happen to me in all the day, it just started one hour ago |
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| 06:22.30 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: were you active earlier... I've been idle since last night |
| 06:22.34 | Gigantic | omg, help! can't kill khub and is eastin my cpu |
| 06:22.41 | Resnick | I am just waiting for them to message, so I can start adding them to my ignore mask. THey are just so random... |
| 06:22.43 | Gigantic | *eating |
| 06:22.46 | debCarlos | Bogus8: Yeah, but not here. In ubuntu and hardware |
| 06:22.53 | peterS | Resnick: not that random, I think they are all 218.234.21.81 |
| 06:22.58 | Bogus8 | Jonathan_Food_Run just hit me |
| 06:23.17 | debCarlos | Bogus8: What did he said? |
| 06:23.31 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: something about are you da man or something like that |
| 06:23.34 | Resnick | Just got one about men wearing bras... for the nineteenth time ._. |
| 06:23.37 | debCarlos | damn it.... they never hit me :( |
| 06:23.50 | debCarlos | Resnick: they are pretty common lol |
| 06:23.51 | Resnick | debCarlos: You are blessed :D |
| 06:24.01 | sn9 | anybody remember the ratbert incident? think it might be the same b0z0? |
| 06:24.45 | debCarlos | awesome_travis92 hitted me... yeah!! At least one of them hitted me :D. |
| 06:25.11 | Gigantic | it is getting worse! it's 72% cpu already :(( |
| 06:25.16 | debCarlos | How can i unignore someone ? |
| 06:25.18 | Resnick | debCarlos: lol |
| 06:25.18 | sn9 | there are at least two different men-wearing-bras messages |
| 06:25.25 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: "hit" is the past tense of hitting... there is no "hitted" |
| 06:26.09 | debCarlos | Bogus8: ok... i'm not an english speaker :), i'll keep that on mind :) |
| 06:26.11 | Gigantic | isn't hitting the action of hit? |
| 06:26.32 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: I figured that... so I hope you didn't take offense, I was just trying to help you out |
| 06:26.44 | Resnick | Present progressive? Or something :/ |
| 06:26.47 | Bogus8 | Gigantic: yes |
| 06:26.58 | Gigantic | :p |
| 06:27.01 | debCarlos | Bogus8: yep, no prob :D |
| 06:27.12 | Gigantic | oh crap, khub is going to crash my computer wtf |
| 06:27.20 | Resnick | Oh jeeze... it's Tornado_Sam again |
| 06:27.21 | peterS | public service announcement: /ignore *!*@218.234.21.81 |
| 06:27.29 | debCarlos | lol |
| 06:27.36 | Gigantic | 82% |
| 06:27.42 | debCarlos | peterS: Why? They are so funny... |
| 06:27.44 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: I assume spanish is your native tongue (from your name)... I'm attempting to lean that myself... english has to be hard because it is very screwy ;) |
| 06:27.51 | fgeek | Bogus8, do you use different filesystems on those partitions? |
| 06:27.58 | peterS | debCarlos: if you have to ask why, you will never understand |
| 06:28.16 | Bogus8 | fgeek: no sir, both ext3 |
| 06:28.17 | Gigantic | peterS: service network restart && dhclient eth0 |
| 06:28.31 | Bogus8 | fgeek: source is etchy and dest is hardy(ubuntu) |
| 06:28.50 | peterS | Gigantic: what is this 'service' of which you speak? are you a closet fedora user? |
| 06:29.05 | debCarlos | Bogus8: Yep :D. |
| 06:29.24 | debCarlos | Jeje, got another brag spam pm lol |
| 06:29.25 | Gigantic | peterS: hehe |
| 06:29.42 | peterS | Gigantic: I think you need to learn about ifdown and ifup |
| 06:29.51 | Gigantic | peterS: I aliased it |
| 06:29.54 | Bogus8 | fgeek: source is a four (160g) drive raid 5 and dest is a three (250g) drive raid 5 (will expand to 4 after this) |
| 06:30.10 | sn9 | Gigantic: invoke-rc.d |
| 06:30.25 | peterS | Gigantic: I also think you will be disappointed to find, when you move to Debian, that there is no /etc/init.d/network |
| 06:30.28 | Gigantic | ok ok, got the point lol |
| 06:31.00 | sn9 | are there any known problems with gnu make in debian wrt Kbuild? |
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| 06:31.16 | debCarlos | Did all of you ignored the spammers ip ? |
| 06:31.26 | sn9 | debCarlos: nope |
| 06:31.27 | Resnick | debCarlos: Yes.. blissful silence |
| 06:31.36 | Bogus8 | peterS: but there is /etc/init.d/networking |
| 06:31.45 | Gigantic | 92% |
| 06:31.50 | Gigantic | Ima crash |
| 06:31.53 | peterS | Bogus8: yes, but clearly Gigantic didn't know that, which demonstrates that he is not in fact using Debian |
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| 06:31.56 | debCarlos | lol |
| 06:31.59 | cast | manage to do my download mail from pop3 and extract all attachments from one sender with getmail, grepmbox and munpack :) |
| 06:32.08 | Bogus8 | haha |
| 06:32.30 | Gigantic | peterS: It's not my point, peter I was telling you a joke go somewhere else |
| 06:32.41 | Bogus8 | cast: congrats! that is a feat... I'm still wrestling with a similar beast |
| 06:32.50 | sn9 | peterS: does knoppix count? it has a debian mailing list, after all... |
| 06:33.00 | peterS | sn9: does knoppix have /etc/init.d/network? |
| 06:33.05 | sn9 | no |
| 06:33.14 | peterS | then it doesn't matter whether it counts |
| 06:33.19 | debCarlos | coolduemikey hit me lol... he says something about a scrabble game |
| 06:33.24 | Gigantic | ima crash anymoment |
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| 06:34.20 | debCarlos | What's the purpose of this kind of spammers? |
| 06:34.23 | peterS | crash. or crash not. there is no 'ima'. |
| 06:34.27 | sn9 | hmm, it seems to have stopped now |
| 06:35.01 | cast | ' are you a closet fedora user?' lol |
| 06:35.07 | debCarlos | what? The attack of spammers? yeah... |
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| 06:35.16 | debCarlos | Why closet? |
| 06:35.37 | Bogus8 | shee... just because it's been 5 mins quiet doesn't mean they have stopped.. give it a few more ;) |
| 06:35.47 | Resnick | Bogus8: lol |
| 06:35.57 | sn9 | Bogus8: do you know something we don't? |
| 06:36.03 | Bogus8 | I wish I did |
| 06:36.13 | Bogus8 | just this isn't the first day that I've seen them |
| 06:36.15 | debCarlos | lol |
| 06:36.30 | peterS | well, it _is_ a 14-year-old boy who doesn't get out much. those people don't have long attention spans. 5 minutes often means he has moved on to other kinds of wankery |
| 06:36.40 | Bogus8 | sn9: then again, that's a rather generic question... I probably do know SOMETHING you guys don't ;) |
| 06:36.43 | sn9 | probably changing isp's |
| 06:37.01 | debCarlos | lol, yeah |
| 06:37.12 | debCarlos | So, why closet fedora user? |
| 06:37.44 | sn9 | debCarlos: because that was fedora advice on a debian channel |
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| 06:38.03 | debCarlos | lol, got it |
| 06:38.46 | debCarlos | i got the twister tornado spam lol |
| 06:39.00 | sn9 | facepalms |
| 06:39.10 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: that's about as good as they get... you can ignore now if you would like |
| 06:39.22 | Resnick | celebrates /ignore :D |
| 06:39.28 | Bogus8 | either that or you have a phone call to make now ;) |
| 06:39.33 | debCarlos | ohh... no, they are funny to me lol |
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| 06:39.33 | Resnick | haha |
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| 06:40.05 | Resnick | menu.lst == grub.conf ? |
| 06:40.06 | debCarlos | But, just for curiosity.... i'll join #tornado lol |
| 06:40.10 | Bogus8 | Resnick: yep |
| 06:40.17 | Resnick | debCarlos: Asking for trouble :) |
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| 06:40.24 | Resnick | Bogus8: Cheers. |
| 06:40.29 | Bogus8 | np |
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| 06:40.46 | debCarlos | There's nothing in #tornado.... |
| 06:41.00 | Bogus8 | so disappointing eh carlos ;) |
| 06:41.01 | Resnick | debCarlos: I trust you will document your findings. |
| 06:41.19 | debCarlos | llol |
| 06:41.40 | Resnick | " Kinky Kinky Kinky Do, Skinamarinky kinky do" |
| 06:41.40 | Bogus8 | I do love panchos |
| 06:41.45 | Bogus8 | ponchos |
| 06:41.45 | Resnick | headbutts table |
| 06:41.46 | debCarlos | lol |
| 06:42.01 | Bogus8 | can't complain about that spammer too much |
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| 06:42.09 | debCarlos | lol |
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| 06:43.26 | debCarlos | Got one: "Is your life boring? blahblablah... use brags" .. lol, it seems like i have all the collection now |
| 06:43.47 | Bogus8 | it IS almost like a collectors set |
| 06:43.55 | debCarlos | hehehe |
| 06:43.57 | Bogus8 | it's better than elvis plates at least |
| 06:44.04 | Resnick | Hah. No. 138 in a series of 967? |
| 06:44.23 | Bogus8 | one day you will be able to sell them on egay |
| 06:44.36 | debCarlos | lol lol lol |
| 06:44.41 | Bogus8 | which I can't believe isn't really a spoof site |
| 06:45.07 | dihymo | does amd64 iceweasel or any xulrunner based app run without crashing? is it because i use icedtea? which i can't get working in flock btw |
| 06:45.09 | Bogus8 | is quite dissapointed actually |
| 06:45.47 | debCarlos | wonders why Bogus8 is dissapointed... |
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| 06:45.56 | sn9 | are there any known problems with gnu make in debian wrt Kbuild? |
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| 06:47.03 | dihymo | the new world order wants you to wear a bra, it better have screw drivers and pliers attached i have no idea what the point would be otherwise |
| 06:47.31 | debCarlos | lol |
| 06:47.36 | debCarlos | lol |
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| 06:47.59 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: because egay isn't a spoof site |
| 06:48.17 | debCarlos | oh, ok |
| 06:48.45 | debCarlos | Got a new one talking about the wakeboarding |
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| 06:48.50 | dihymo | is this dick cheney's idea? |
| 06:49.00 | Bogus8 | lol |
| 06:49.16 | Bogus8 | who knows what plans he's got in that man sized safe |
| 06:49.16 | rmrfchik | damn, in 2.6.24 I had working sound card (hda intel), in 2.6.25 and 26 sound doesn't work :( |
| 06:49.57 | dihymo | rmrfchik: odd in 24 it didn't now it does |
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| 06:51.42 | dihymo | why do advertisements use the word today? like try today? listen i'm up at 3 AM doing lisp how exactly am i going to try anything today at this hour |
| 06:51.56 | debCarlos | Ok, time to sleep for me. 2:21 AM here bye :) |
| 06:51.57 | cast | well |
| 06:52.06 | Resnick | BRB reboot to make sure I haven't knackered grub :D As per my history with grub |
| 06:52.14 | cast | surely you've got 21 hours left in your day to try it! |
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| 06:53.03 | dihymo | but it's like.. that whole call now crap, i have a memory maybe i'll call later or not |
| 06:53.16 | Bogus8 | I hope it's not 2:21 where he is... because I would be worried he's on a different planet |
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| 06:53.31 | dihymo | and NEW and IMPROVED eek |
| 06:53.53 | peterS | Bogus8: actually if you check 'TZ=America/Caracas date' it will tell you |
| 06:53.58 | dihymo | i'm a logic nazi i can't help it |
| 06:54.12 | Bogus8 | peterS: it's XX:51 no matter what timezone ;) |
| 06:54.13 | peterS | Bogus8: ...will tell you that venezuela is on a half-hour timezone |
| 06:54.18 | peterS | Bogus8: you'd be surprised |
| 06:54.20 | Bogus8 | oh shit |
| 06:54.23 | Bogus8 | didn't know that |
| 06:54.24 | Bogus8 | crazy |
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| 06:54.36 | peterS | Bogus8: check India's timezone sometime. it's another half-hour one |
| 06:54.44 | Bogus8 | venezuela!? man I would have had so many questions for him :( |
| 06:54.56 | dihymo | it said i need a side of bleu cheese i said t |
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| 06:55.33 | Bogus8 | peterS: thank you for correcting me... I was quite ignorant of half-hour timezones! |
| 06:55.44 | peterS | Bogus8: there are a few :15 timezones, I forget where. nepal maybe? |
| 06:55.55 | peterS | well :15 or :45, I forget |
| 06:56.08 | Bogus8 | really... that is just insane.. hope now 15 min |
| 06:56.19 | Bogus8 | hell most cities are at least 15mins wide ;) |
| 06:56.37 | Bogus8 | now = not |
| 06:57.09 | dihymo | seriously though anyone have any luck with iceweasel? |
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| 06:57.28 | dihymo | and anyone got a deb of flock 2.0 for amd64? |
| 06:57.41 | peterS | Bogus8: there you go. TZ=Asia/Katmandu date |
| 06:57.50 | peterS | (Katmandu is the capital of Nepal) |
| 06:58.21 | Bogus8 | not 15 mins eh? |
| 06:58.35 | peterS | Bogus8: don't take my word for it. run that command and see |
| 06:58.45 | Bogus8 | tz is a command? |
| 06:58.55 | peterS | no, it is setting an environment variable for the 'date' command to see |
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| 06:59.07 | dihymo | run that line |
| 06:59.13 | Bogus8 | and it goes in front of the command? crazy |
| 06:59.23 | peterS | that is how you set a variable just for a single command |
| 06:59.28 | dihymo | it's two commans |
| 06:59.38 | peterS | you say foo=bar command, like TZ=Asia/Katmandu date |
| 06:59.39 | Bogus8 | learned something else ;) |
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| 07:00.13 | Bogus8 | peterS: so it's a half-hour tx |
| 07:00.15 | Bogus8 | tz* |
| 07:00.21 | dihymo | do you turn on your car and then drive (data then command) or the other way |
| 07:00.29 | peterS | Bogus8: you think so? look more closely |
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| 07:00.48 | Bogus8 | ah, my clock on my box is off from my laptop here |
| 07:01.00 | peterS | Bogus8: yeah try 'date' with and without the TZ=... prefix |
| 07:01.12 | peterS | even if you clock is off you will see the appropriate difference |
| 07:01.15 | Bogus8 | peterS: yeah, I just did that to see if that was the problem |
| 07:01.20 | Bogus8 | my clock drifts |
| 07:02.12 | dihymo | ok seriously when did this crap with the ads start i'm in emacs doing work |
| 07:02.18 | dihymo | yes, on irc |
| 07:02.49 | Bogus8 | dihymo: couple days ago? |
| 07:03.24 | dihymo | it wouldn't be so bad except it takes over my editting |
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| 07:03.45 | mihkel | Hi. Every time I try to watch a video clip with vlc I get: main error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `mp4v/xvid/divx/etc'. |
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| 07:04.52 | Bogus8 | Can someone please help me figure out why when I rsync over 379gigs of data (from a 441gig raid 5) it won't fit on a 463gig raid5 hitting 439gigs(max usable space) and still having quite a bit left to transfer? |
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| 07:05.12 | Bogus8 | rsync claims total size is 505285927902 but that is just INSANE |
| 07:05.31 | mihkel | Testing and vlc 0.8.6.h-1 |
| 07:05.31 | cast | how does rsync deal with hardlinks |
| 07:05.40 | et | hardlinks, for example |
| 07:05.57 | Bogus8 | cast: I only have symlinks... but I've even umounted all other devices |
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| 07:06.00 | peterS | Bogus8: if you're rsyncing one huge file that already exists, a new copy of the file is made and the original is deleted after you are done |
| 07:06.16 | peterS | Bogus8: therefore if it's one huge file you'll need to delete it first, or get a bigger drive, or split it into much smaller files |
| 07:06.31 | Bogus8 | peterS: this happened on the initial xfer (though I dumped 21 gigs to make sure) |
| 07:06.53 | peterS | on the initial transfer, if the file doesn't already exist, I don't know why it would take up too much space |
| 07:06.55 | Bogus8 | peterS: but it's not really one big file but a bunch of files |
| 07:07.12 | Bogus8 | peterS: even still why does rsync say total size is 505285927902 |
| 07:07.26 | Bogus8 | on 379gigs of data? |
| 07:07.32 | kingsley | Bogus8: I wish I didn't feel the need to mention this, but I suppose the insanely large size might be caused by data corruption, failing hardware, or both. |
| 07:07.39 | peterS | Bogus8: don't know, that should be 470 GB, eh |
| 07:07.48 | Bogus8 | obviosly rsync thinks it's finding a bunch of ish that isn't there |
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| 07:08.10 | peterS | you aren't trying to rsync raw disk devices or something, are you? |
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| 07:08.14 | Bogus8 | peterS: I think so... still not close :) |
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| 07:08.24 | Bogus8 | kingsley: what can I do to tell/check/fix? |
| 07:09.02 | Bogus8 | we are talking about over 89,000 files! |
| 07:09.32 | kingsley | Bogus8: You can test for corruption by running fsck from a live CD. The ultimate boot CD has a variety of hardware diagnostic utilities. |
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| 07:10.02 | Bogus8 | kingsley: if it's not the OS partition couldn't I just umount it and fsck it from here? |
| 07:10.24 | kingsley | Bogus8: fsck can fix some corruption. |
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| 07:10.53 | kingsley | Bogus8: Yes, if you can unmount the partition, then you can run fsck. |
| 07:11.15 | Bogus8 | kingsley: cool... wouldn't du and df and such all see the data the same as rsync? |
| 07:12.04 | peterS | df does not, df looks at the problem from a different angle. du will, though. |
| 07:12.29 | kingsley | Bogus8: It seems to me that normally they would, but if your hardware is failing, only some software and certain instructions might elicit the bug. |
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| 07:12.42 | Bogus8 | peterS: well du -hs says 379 gigs also |
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| 07:13.01 | Bogus8 | kingsley: so fsck won't help in that case anyway |
| 07:13.19 | Bogus8 | if du is giving me "legit" numbers then I need to look at hardware? |
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| 07:13.31 | Bogus8 | this is a software raid btw |
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| 07:13.56 | kingsley | Bogus8: For example, my AMD Athlon XP 1700+ CPU went bad. rdiff-backup seemed to trip over the CPU bug, but the cp command did not. |
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| 07:14.18 | Bogus8 | it's a software raid of three 160gig drives and one 250gig drive partitioned down to 160 for the raid... that shouldn't matter though right? |
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| 07:15.15 | Bogus8 | yuck... guess either way this means xfer'ing over that 400gigs of data all over again no matter what |
| 07:15.27 | peterS | Bogus8: you keep talking about the partition as though that is what matters. what matters is the data on it. unless you are trying to rsync a raw disk image or something |
| 07:16.01 | Bogus8 | peterS: I'm just trying to give FULL disclosure in case it is something that I normally wouldn't think would be a problem |
| 07:16.56 | Bogus8 | like the source being a 4 disk raid 5 going to a larger raid5 but built with only 3 disc |
| 07:17.06 | Bogus8 | and source is debian and dest is ubuntu |
| 07:17.12 | peterS | that shouldn't matter, unless you are trying to rsync a raw partition |
| 07:17.32 | rmrfchik | dihymo: what card do u have? |
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| 07:17.52 | dihymo | it detects Hermosa but it's the other one |
| 07:17.54 | Bogus8 | peterS: I wouldn't think so... but it's so perculiar that I'm not holding any possibilities back |
| 07:17.57 | kingsley | Bogus8: When did this start happening? |
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| 07:18.25 | dihymo | it's a conexant though |
| 07:18.25 | Bogus8 | kingsley: I just built the ubuntu box and was moving the data over and noticed it... never noticed anything strange before that |
| 07:19.05 | peterS | Bogus8: I see my hints about raw partitions aren't causing you to say whether or not you're trying to do that. so could you quote your actual rsync command? |
| 07:19.11 | Bogus8 | kingsley: the system as been running since 7/07 |
| 07:19.33 | kingsley | Bogus8: Does rsync have a "verbose" mode? Have you checked dmesg and /var/log/messages? |
| 07:20.06 | Bogus8 | peterS: oh sorry... I would have said if I was... I'm using rsync -a --progress raid/ 192.168.8.8:/home/bogus/raid |
| 07:20.36 | Bogus8 | kingsley: it does... I've done some logging of dry runs to see if there are any odd files that shouldn't be there (like symlinks) but nothing like that |
| 07:21.04 | Bogus8 | peterS: Oh, and I'm using the -e 'ssh' option forgot about that |
| 07:21.07 | peterS | Bogus8: btw, this probably isn't related, but rsync is peculiar about ending a path with /, this changes the semantics. in a case like yours you probably want to end both paths with / |
| 07:21.07 | kingsley | Bogus8: egrep -i "error|warn" |
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| 07:21.18 | peterS | Bogus8: -e ssh doesn't matter, that's the default in debian and ubuntu |
| 07:21.57 | Bogus8 | peterS: well, it is transfering to the right place.. still think the trailing edge might be an issue? |
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| 07:22.13 | Bogus8 | kingsley: you mean grep /var/log/messages like that? |
| 07:22.14 | peterS | Bogus8: if it is transferring the files to the right place, then no, that means you're doing it right |
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| 07:22.37 | Bogus8 | peterS: yeah, everything looked like it was working fine when it ran out of room and I was like wtf?! |
| 07:22.58 | Bogus8 | so I killed 21 gigs out of it and tried to see if that would help and still no go... so I knew something wasn't right |
| 07:23.40 | peterS | Bogus8: if you have tried this multiple times, it is possible that you've built up some rsync temporary files on the destination. double-check with 'df' that you still have as much room there as you think you should. those temporary files typically start with "." so a normal 'ls' does not see them |
| 07:23.51 | Bogus8 | kingsley: just ran that on messages and got nothing |
| 07:24.03 | kingsley | Bogus8: Yes, and dmesg and rsync's verbose output. |
| 07:24.29 | Bogus8 | peterS: hmm... I've run some dry runs with --delete-before and nothing shows up |
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| 07:26.19 | Bogus8 | kingsley: nothing with verbose detected |
| 07:26.54 | kingsley | Bogus8: rsync >> /tmp/log & while true ; do sleep 1 ; df -h | grep <partition> >> /tmp/log ; done |
| 07:27.19 | Bogus8 | kingsley: http://www.pastebin.ca/1092276 |
| 07:27.22 | Bogus8 | that's dmesg |
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| 07:27.55 | peterS | kingsley: he's running rsync on the source machine. why would df output change on the source machine? |
| 07:28.03 | Bogus8 | kingsley: you would want me to put that at the end of my existing rsync command right? |
| 07:28.25 | Bogus8 | yeah, i was wondering what that was about... but I wasn't going to question any help I'm getting right now :) |
| 07:28.30 | kingsley | peterS: Oh, OK. Forget my df suggestion. |
| 07:29.03 | Bogus8 | what is dev sr0? |
| 07:29.11 | peterS | Bogus8: scsi cdrom 0 |
| 07:29.13 | Bogus8 | I do have an ata2: PIO error |
| 07:29.17 | peterS | Bogus8: also known as /dev/scd0 |
| 07:29.25 | Bogus8 | I have one but it's not being used |
| 07:29.31 | Bogus8 | I think it's hooked up *shrug* |
| 07:29.53 | peterS | that usually means some system process is scanning your cdrom drive to see if it has media in it |
| 07:29.56 | peterS | you can ignore the error |
| 07:30.09 | kingsley | Bogus8: That dmesg pastebin looks pretty ugly to me. Have you searched Google's indices for the error messages? |
| 07:30.26 | Bogus8 | yeah, it's scsi on the OS raid and the cdrom but my data I'm working with now is on some ide drives on a card |
| 07:31.17 | Bogus8 | kingsley: well like peterS said... it's probably the cdrom.. and that makes sense as my dev are normal dev devices and not some how sr* ... the ipw2200 is a network thing right? |
| 07:31.37 | peterS | yes, ipw2200 is an intel "centrino" wireless chip |
| 07:31.51 | Bogus8 | which I don't have *shrug* |
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| 07:32.20 | peterS | it did seem a bit odd to contemplate a 500 GB raid array on a centrino laptop ... |
| 07:32.25 | Bogus8 | so the only two errors left are: |
| 07:32.32 | Bogus8 | [4294673.492000] ahci: probe of 0000:00:1f.2 failed with error -12 |
| 07:32.33 | Bogus8 | [4294674.108000] ata2: PIO error |
| 07:33.01 | Bogus8 | ahci rings a bell but I can't remember what it is... I don't think it's hard drive related though |
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| 07:33.17 | peterS | AHCI is hard-drive related, actually |
| 07:33.23 | peterS | well, it is SATA/IDE related |
| 07:33.34 | Bogus8 | grep -f is the forward and -b is backward to get the surrounding lines? |
| 07:33.41 | Bogus8 | -b is right I think |
| 07:33.59 | peterS | Bogus8: I'm curious - what does lspci -D | grep 0000:00:1f.2 say |
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| 07:34.56 | Bogus8 | 0000:00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801AA USB (rev 02) |
| 07:35.02 | Bogus8 | just usb crap I'm not using |
| 07:35.15 | peterS | ehh ... why would ahci try to probe it then ... ahci is for SATA |
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| 07:35.25 | Bogus8 | *shrug* |
| 07:36.03 | Bogus8 | honestly it's an old box and I just assume it even has usb |
| 07:36.08 | peterS | heh |
| 07:36.08 | Bogus8 | 866mhz box |
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| 07:36.55 | peterS | I wonder if you have sparse files that rsync wants to expand |
| 07:37.17 | peterS | if so, rsync -S will be your fix |
| 07:37.26 | Bogus8 | peterS: wouldn't the ext3 system take care of that when it got to the other side? |
| 07:37.49 | peterS | Bogus8: no, not unless rsync tells it to. and without -S, it will not. |
| 07:38.22 | peterS | the kernel takes no responsibility for detecting zero blocks and omitting them from the filesystem. the application has to notice and ask for a hole |
| 07:38.25 | Bogus8 | doing a dry run now |
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| 07:39.04 | Bogus8 | though I guess I might know till I actually try it huh? |
| 07:39.08 | Bogus8 | still saying 500gigs |
| 07:39.30 | peterS | I don't know. I haven't actually tried rsync -S. but looking at the documentation, it seems to be required if you want to preserve sparseness of files |
| 07:40.45 | Bogus8 | hate to spend a whole day xferring files again with rsync just to have the same problem |
| 07:40.51 | peterS | I suppose you could write some sort of script to detect and report sparse files. I don't have such a script offhand but it shouldn't be all that many lines of perl |
| 07:41.15 | Bogus8 | especially if cp might do it to an NFS share ... if rsync is the problem... though I still want to know because I rely on rsync for a LOT of other things |
| 07:41.15 | vorpal | is there an easy way to make a server application use tcpwrappers? |
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| 07:41.34 | vorpal | i would prefer not to futz around with the server code |
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| 07:41.44 | cast | vorpal: call it from inetd.conf? |
| 07:41.45 | Bogus8 | grumble grumble.. perl ..grumble grumble |
| 07:42.23 | vorpal | cast: no linkage required for inetd ? |
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| 07:43.32 | Bogus8 | peterS: I know I did a dry run with rsync on a smaller 16gig dir in side this one and it showed the summary to be 16gigs like it should... so not sure where the problem surfaces |
| 07:43.50 | peterS | Bogus8: hold on a moment, I'm testing a perl one-liner to detect sparse files |
| 07:43.54 | Bogus8 | guess I could just keep doing dry runs of each substantial dir till I found one with a hiccup? :/ |
| 07:45.08 | Bogus8 | I found the dir |
| 07:45.17 | Bogus8 | lucky shot I guess... second one I tried |
| 07:45.31 | Bogus8 | it's a 126 gig dir that rsync just said is 222gigs! |
| 07:45.49 | peterS | Bogus8: and does 'ls -ls' show files that look sparse? |
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| 07:46.00 | vorpal | cast: let me rephrase. if i insert an entry in inetd.conf for my application, is my application required to link with libwrap? |
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| 07:46.32 | Bogus8 | peterS: not sure what I'd be looking for... it's actually mostly video files.. it's my "Video-Movies" dir |
| 07:46.44 | cast | vorpal: no. inetd has such support |
| 07:46.45 | Bogus8 | most are larger files |
| 07:47.04 | vorpal | cast, good. thank you |
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| 07:47.24 | Bogus8 | though I do have a crazy backup dir from an old system in there (was looking for space when they were on seperate drives) |
| 07:47.26 | peterS | Bogus8: actually put -A in there too, 'ls -lsA' - the first column is size in kB that the file actually takes on disk, the 4th or 5th column is file size (not on disk) |
| 07:47.51 | Bogus8 | peterS: but there are many sub folders... what would I be looking for any how? |
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| 07:48.24 | peterS | Bogus8: the first column should be approximately the 6th column (you know, file size) divided by 1024, rounded up to the nearest 4 or so |
| 07:48.32 | peterS | Bogus8: if it is much smaller than that, you have a sparse file |
| 07:49.07 | peterS | Bogus8: so like if you have a 1 MB file where the first column is a lot smaller than 1000, then it is sparse |
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| 07:49.30 | Bogus8 | peterS: like this 152216 -rw-rw-r-- 1 gilligan gilligan 369676356 2005-06-03 01:53 raid/Video-Mo..... |
| 07:49.50 | Bogus8 | well, not sparse but that certainly isn't right |
| 07:50.05 | peterS | Bogus8: yeah, like that. 152216 kB is a lot less than 369676356 |
| 07:50.14 | Bogus8 | that's an mpg |
| 07:50.22 | Bogus8 | think debian isn't liking that data? |
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| 07:50.52 | Bogus8 | both mpg's in the root dir are like that |
| 07:50.56 | peterS | mpgs shouldn't be sparse, so that's a bit suspicious - but it definitely looks like a sparse file |
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| 07:51.23 | peterS | try transferring just that one file using rsync, with and without -S |
| 07:51.35 | peterS | then do 'ls -ls' on the other end and see if there's the difference I think there will be |
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| 07:53.00 | peterS | the test shouldn't take that long, it is 0.1% of your data |
| 07:54.08 | Bogus8 | well the du-hs on the dest side already shows 208gigs in that dir which is only 128gigs ;) |
| 07:54.26 | Bogus8 | removing it now to make room |
| 07:54.40 | peterS | no need, that one file is 400 MB |
| 07:54.52 | peterS | a test of both modes will be less than 1 GB |
| 07:55.45 | Bogus8 | peterS: well I need to make room period I'm tapped out... and I need to get that trash out anyhow now |
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| 07:56.07 | Bogus8 | since that is at least one of the sources for my problems |
| 07:57.03 | Bogus8 | peterS: even if we don't get any futher on this issue... thank you thank you thank you!!! |
| 07:57.15 | peterS | have fun. I think I shall go to bed now |
| 07:57.27 | Bogus8 | kingsley: and thank you also sir for giving me a hand in this... VERY much thanks! |
| 07:57.46 | Bogus8 | peterS: gentleman and a scholar ;) |
| 07:57.49 | Bogus8 | get some sleep! |
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| 07:58.26 | vorpal | cast, it looks like using tcpwrappers natively is not that hard after all |
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| 08:02.10 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way to view Microsoft Word equation in Linux? |
| 08:03.22 | Bogus8 | peterS: just for your knowledge it still messed up the file on the rsync... the -S didn't help... guess I'll cp those files |
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| 08:06.37 | [M4rk0] | hello |
| 08:06.46 | [M4rk0] | how can I find biggest file on system? |
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| 08:08.12 | cast | thats a common enough example on the web for using sort |
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| 08:10.22 | ribnitz | Heyas |
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| 08:10.58 | ribnitz | how do I add another data disk to a RAID5 (or convert the hot spare to a data disk)? (Debian SID?) |
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| 08:12.14 | kll | ribnitz: running linux md raid ? |
| 08:12.24 | ribnitz | kll: yep. |
| 08:12.49 | kll | ribnitz: have you tried googling ? :) |
| 08:12.59 | ribnitz | kll: not yet. |
| 08:13.09 | [M4rk0] | Can someone tell me how can I find latest writen file on system? Something is eating my disk space 1mb / sec... |
| 08:13.18 | kll | why is that not your first course of action? |
| 08:13.31 | kll | I find the answer on the first page returned by google |
| 08:13.47 | ribnitz | kll: I thought you'd know. |
| 08:13.56 | ribnitz | kll: Google is evil, at times. |
| 08:14.14 | vorpal | [M4rk0]: find / -exec stat -c "%s %n" {} \; | sort -n | less |
| 08:15.05 | kll | ribnitz: but most of the time you can get an answer faster with google and you don't have to get into a discussion with some random dude on IRC whether it's a good idea to google things before asking ;) |
| 08:15.11 | tarzeau | can i tell kde to use /var/tmp instead of /tmp, for ALL users? |
| 08:15.22 | vorpal | [M4rk0]: sometimes just knowing what each toplevel directory is enough |
| 08:15.44 | kll | tarzeau: symlink /var/tmp to /tmp ? :) |
| 08:15.51 | vorpal | [M4rk0]: du -m -max-depth 1 | sort -n |
| 08:15.57 | ribnitz | kll: very bad idea? |
| 08:16.06 | tarzeau | kll: no, that's definitely not what i want |
| 08:16.16 | ribnitz | vorpal: |head -1 |
| 08:16.18 | [M4rk0] | vorpal, thanx |
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| 08:16.39 | kll | ribnitz: very bad idea? |
| 08:17.23 | ribnitz | kll: According to the FHS they do not serve the same purpose, IIRC. My /tmp is in swapspace anyway. |
| 08:18.00 | kll | okey |
| 08:18.04 | tarzeau | debian kills /tmp on boots by default |
| 08:18.13 | tarzeau | /var/tmp remains untouched |
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| 08:18.26 | ribnitz | tarzeau: that becomes moot in that case. |
| 08:18.46 | vorpal | tarzeau: yess, but i think it won't clobber directories contained in /tmp |
| 08:19.13 | ribnitz | tarzeau: /tmp as tmpfs is rather standard, btw. |
| 08:19.33 | tarzeau | ribnitz: cleaning up /tmp or not is not defined, debian just does it |
| 08:19.36 | shital_ | can any one give me link where i can get the iso image of slashtop Linux???? |
| 08:19.55 | tarzeau | my point is we run out of diskspace on /tmp because of some horrible kde application behaviour |
| 08:20.00 | ribnitz | shital_: google? - Is that debian-based? |
| 08:20.06 | tarzeau | because our /tmp is ramfs for some reason |
| 08:20.13 | vorpal | shital_: http://google.com |
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| 08:23.04 | vorpal | tarzeau: on an embedded system, i.e., flash memory is only secondary storage, that would make sense |
| 08:23.08 | shital_ | ribnitz:> its actually instant-on OS so i am searching for iso image i searched it in Google but did not found |
| 08:23.35 | ribnitz | whats an instant-on OS? |
| 08:24.07 | vorpal | define instant-on |
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| 08:24.49 | ribnitz | shital_: Booting linux take 1-2 minutes; depending on what you have installed. |
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| 08:25.29 | vorpal | ribnitz: have you used suspend or hibernate? |
| 08:25.38 | ribnitz | shital_: Certain linux-kernels support suspend to DISK.. which means wakeup is pretty instant |
| 08:25.39 | Dewi | ribnitz: there are instant-on linux builds |
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| 08:26.00 | ribnitz | vorpal: I use desktops |
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| 08:26.07 | Dewi | ribnitz: kernels optimized to cut the boot time down to under 5 seconds.... |
| 08:26.13 | vorpal | ribnitz: ah, i see |
| 08:26.26 | shital_ | ribnitz:> do you know where i can get Splashtop iso image?? |
| 08:26.33 | ribnitz | Dewi: so why would that not be doable with a debian? |
| 08:26.42 | ribnitz | shital_: No i don't |
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| 08:27.36 | Dewi | ribnitz: you can do anything if you tinker enough. I don't know anything about putting together custom kernels. |
| 08:28.39 | ribnitz | Dewi: I stopped buliding my own kernel long ago; the stock debian one works wlel enough for me. |
| 08:30.08 | vorpal | ribnitz: if you want a truly "instant" boot for a desktop install, resuming from a suspend is the only thing that can really do that. resuming from a hibernate takes significantly less time than a full boot, but still on the order of a minute |
| 08:31.40 | vorpal | ribnitz: suspend from disk can survive power out, otherwise you need to stay plugged in |
| 08:31.42 | Dewi | vorpal: it depends how you set it all up; I believe ASUS has some kind of minimalist distro tailored specifically to certain mobos |
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| 08:32.14 | Dewi | vorpal: I don't know if it's just good boot optimization, or something closer to a "cheat" based around suspend, but they say it's up in <5 seconds |
| 08:33.05 | vorpal | Dewi: intersting. even after a power out? |
| 08:33.21 | Dewi | vorpal: yep |
| 08:33.37 | vorpal | or perhaps the system preloads certain things |
| 08:34.22 | vorpal | because it is impossible to read that much data in 5 secs, i think |
| 08:34.36 | Dewi | hard drives can read hundreds of MB in that time |
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| 08:35.14 | vorpal | yeah, but main memory is much bigger than that |
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| 08:35.31 | Dewi | you don't need all of main memory, just enough to be a basic running system |
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| 08:36.28 | vorpal | technically, you need everything that is resident (or the working set, in some nomenclature) |
| 08:36.57 | Dewi | an "after boot" system shouldn't be using more than a tiny fraction of all memory |
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| 08:38.45 | nuxil | hi all.. |
| 08:39.10 | nuxil | i need someone with the python-qt4-doc installed to verify something for me, |
| 08:39.20 | nuxil | python /usr/share/doc/python-qt4-doc/examples/tools/qtdemo/qtdemo.py |
| 08:39.41 | nuxil | when you select a example and press show documention on a example.. does it show anything ? |
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| 08:42.32 | r0ns | hi,i tried pt-get install x-window-system-core gdm gnome |
| 08:42.58 | r0ns | but seems like my xorg.conf file is not generated |
| 08:44.56 | r0ns | rather i cant see stuffs like xorgconfig or xconfig or XFree86config or whatever |
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| 08:45.55 | themill | r0ns: etch or lenny? |
| 08:45.55 | cydork | !drxx |
| 08:45.56 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 08:49.26 | r0ns | !drxx |
| 08:49.26 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
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| 08:49.38 | r0ns | okay thanks |
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| 08:51.54 | slept | hi, could someone with a rtl8139 chipset run rtl8139-diag and paste the results somewhere ? |
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| 08:53.01 | Sysctl___ | hi. is there a way to rate-limit file copying, just like you can with rsync? |
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| 08:54.39 | maligor | ionice? |
| 08:55.33 | maligor | doesn't exactly rate limit it tho |
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| 08:55.59 | berzerka | how can i configure resolvconf (via interfaces) to set a certain dns server address, if using dhcp but the dhcp server provides no dns info? |
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| 08:58.53 | maligor | could write a program that does rate limited copying ofcourse, but I don't know of any |
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| 09:01.32 | kernel_ghost | anybody know what the user debian-tor and/or smmsp is for??? |
| 09:02.24 | maligor | bertagaz, there's the dns-nameservers option in interfaces |
| 09:02.38 | maligor | I've never tried overriding dhcp tho |
| 09:02.47 | kernel_ghost | smmsp seems to be the sendmail submission user |
| 09:02.55 | kernel_ghost | but why does it need to su to send mail |
| 09:03.03 | kernel_ghost | no idea yet what debian-tor is |
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| 09:03.18 | maligor | tor is a p2p anon route service |
| 09:03.20 | pumpkin0 | kernel_ghost: TOR, the eff proxy ? |
| 09:03.30 | wols_ | !tor |
| 09:03.30 | dpkg | somebody said tor was a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor, or not in etch, see http://wiki.noreply.org/noreply/TheOnionRouter/TorOnDebian |
| 09:04.00 | kernel_ghost | hmm, any reason that would be a default install into ubuntu?? |
| 09:04.08 | maligor | heh |
| 09:04.15 | maligor | oh dear |
| 09:04.21 | pumpkin0 | !ubuntu |
| 09:04.21 | dpkg | Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it is unlikely to live up to Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. Use #ubuntu (irc.freenode.net) instead. Even if the channel happens to be less helpful, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. See also <based on debian>. |
| 09:04.23 | cydork | kernel_ghost: ask #ubuntu?? and read the topic.. |
| 09:04.24 | wols_ | kernel_ghost: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
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| 09:04.53 | themill | bertagaz: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 09:05.20 | kernel_ghost | ubuntu, but they pushed me here... |
| 09:05.30 | pumpkin0 | we push you back |
| 09:05.44 | wols_ | kernel_ghost: who exactyl did? |
| 09:06.13 | kernel_ghost | ikonia ?? |
| 09:06.31 | wols_ | just saw it. thanks. he should know better |
| 09:06.50 | kernel_ghost | ok sorry people |
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| 09:07.02 | kernel_ghost | thanks for what u did give anyway |
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| 09:12.14 | Sysctl___ | rsync works just as well copying locally tho, doesn';t it? |
| 09:12.47 | kernel_ghost | yes |
| 09:13.08 | Sysctl___ | so, using rsync and rate-limit while copying local files should be the same diff |
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| 09:13.43 | kernel_ghost | Sysctl___: i would assume so... not 100% on that however. |
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| 09:14.13 | Sysctl___ | kernel_ghost: ya, fair enough. I could test it, of course |
| 09:14.16 | Sysctl___ | will let you know ;) |
| 09:14.21 | kernel_ghost | lol |
| 09:14.22 | kernel_ghost | ok |
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| 09:20.10 | Sysctl___ | kernel_ghost: confirmed... it does... all hail rsync ;) |
| 09:20.53 | berzerka | okay sorry for leaving.. you can put "default" (or prepend) options in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf. i just put a line "default domain-name-servers 1.1.1.1, 2.2.2.2", and now if the dhcp provides none, those are put into resolv.conf. |
| 09:20.55 | kernel_ghost | Sysctl___: sweet as |
| 09:21.43 | berzerka | still, if anyone knows of a way to do this via /etc/network/interfaces, i'd be very interested. |
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| 09:23.55 | kernel_ghost | berzerka: couldnt u do it with like the up statement in the interfaces file |
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| 09:24.30 | berzerka | kernel_ghost: hmm don't know. let's consult the manpage :) |
| 09:24.56 | kernel_ghost | berzerka: like, same as static routes or whatever u can have a line up route add -net ......... |
| 09:25.09 | berzerka | kernel_ghost: ah, i see. |
| 09:25.14 | kernel_ghost | berzerka: or something, just a passing thought |
| 09:25.33 | berzerka | kernel_ghost: no that would be too static, since _if_ the dhcp server provides the dns info, i want to use it. |
| 09:25.58 | berzerka | kernel_ghost: but i didn't know about the up option, this seems very handy.. |
| 09:26.02 | kernel_ghost | berzerka: but couldnt u append the dns servers at the end of the resolv.conf |
| 09:26.20 | kernel_ghost | so if u got dns handed, ur just appending others below? |
| 09:26.30 | berzerka | kernel_ghost: of course.. yeah brilliant idea. |
| 09:26.35 | kernel_ghost | i'm not so sure, i havent tested |
| 09:26.46 | berzerka | well i see no reason why it shouldn't work. |
| 09:26.48 | berzerka | thanks |
| 09:27.13 | kernel_ghost | berzerka: dont thank me yet :) |
| 09:27.22 | berzerka | hehe, i'm off to try, brb. |
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| 09:31.42 | berzerka | kernel_ghost: works :) |
| 09:31.54 | kernel_ghost | berzerka: well wadda ya know |
| 09:32.36 | berzerka | kernel_ghost: thinking about it, i think that using dhclient.conf is the cleaner solution. since i observed, if the server provides no dns, resolv.conf isn't touched at all, this i'm appending each time i bring up the interface. |
| 09:32.50 | berzerka | s/this/thus/ |
| 09:32.58 | kernel_ghost | lol |
| 09:33.16 | kernel_ghost | that is true, its just u asked for a interfaces file variant solution |
| 09:33.51 | berzerka | yep, i'm glad you provided one. i wasn't aware of any way to do this, so my question was wrong, actually. |
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| 09:34.04 | kernel_ghost | lol |
| 09:34.21 | kernel_ghost | handy but the up statement is cool |
| 09:34.44 | berzerka | but now i even know an alternative, and why one of them is better. it definitely is, i will remember it. thanks again. |
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| 09:35.58 | Sumpen | hi guys, I'm trying to run yabootconfig from rescue mode terminal but it says it needs the "/proc filesystem". What does this mean? Should i mount something? |
| 09:36.09 | Sumpen | hi guys, I'm trying to run yabootconfig from rescue mode terminal but it says it needs the "/proc filesystem". What does this mean? Should i mount something? |
| 09:36.23 | r0ns | hi am new to linux |
| 09:36.46 | r0ns | do i need to set java class path in linux like windows? |
| 09:37.03 | cast | linux is a kernel, java is a userland thing :D |
| 09:37.14 | pumpkin0 | r0ns: if installed java the debian way: no. |
| 09:37.32 | r0ns | why is that ? |
| 09:37.48 | idimmu | i install java the debian way and have to set classpath constantly .. |
| 09:37.49 | pumpkin0 | r0ns: cause the installer already setup stuff. |
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| 09:38.06 | linuxguy | !glx |
| 09:38.06 | dpkg | hmm... glx is OpenGL Extension to the X Window System |
| 09:38.47 | r0ns | pumpkin0: so it will be enabled internally or can i see the class paths in the env variables? |
| 09:38.57 | linuxguy | Are there glx drivers available for the nvidia graphics cards please? |
| 09:39.08 | pumpkin0 | r0ns: you can change them via env variables. |
| 09:39.10 | Guerin | !nvidia one liner |
| 09:39.11 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
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| 09:39.44 | r0ns | pumpkin0: okay gotcha ,so can i see the current class paths which are set? |
| 09:40.30 | pumpkin0 | r0ns: "echo $<tab><tab>" shows you the current env variables. |
| 09:40.58 | r0ns | pumpkin0: i mean the java class ennv variables |
| 09:41.13 | pumpkin0 | r0ns: System.getProperties () ? |
| 09:41.22 | r0ns | lemme try |
| 09:41.35 | linuxguy | ok......im doing that now......but its given me a choice of nv or nvidia.......which is the best one to use please? |
| 09:41.45 | _ZeuZ_ | nvidia |
| 09:41.52 | linuxguy | thanks |
| 09:41.54 | _ZeuZ_ | because NV is the freeone. |
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| 09:42.23 | swilky | hey all |
| 09:42.25 | themill | _ZeuZ_: you might want to express that a little differently |
| 09:42.44 | _ZeuZ_ | themill, yes, the open source one ;) |
| 09:43.09 | swilky | does any one know any other way to creat pptp account other then storing them in clear text in the pptpsecret file? |
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| 09:43.24 | linuxguy | and do i leave where it says PCI 2.0.0 as it is or do I change that to AGP which is what Im using? |
| 09:43.55 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, just use nvidia-xconfig --no-logo |
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| 09:45.16 | Sumpen | What could be the problem when i get the messege: This utility needs the /proc filesystem? |
| 09:45.24 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, ok will do thanks |
| 09:45.33 | swilky | > |
| 09:45.35 | swilky | ? |
| 09:45.41 | amphi | Sumpen: that /proc is not mounted? |
| 09:45.52 | vorsprun_ | Sumpen, your kernel doesn't have /proc support |
| 09:46.16 | _ZeuZ_ | Sumpen, you may need to add "/proc Page monitoring" in your kernel. |
| 09:46.29 | trifler | Is there something similar to mspaint to linux? |
| 09:46.39 | _ZeuZ_ | trifler, GIMP? |
| 09:46.42 | Sumpen | Prob not mounted since im running rescue mode. How can i do that? |
| 09:46.58 | themill | swilky: there's a network-manager plugin for pptp that you can use that will use your gnome-keyring for the passwords |
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| 09:47.14 | _ZeuZ_ | Sumpen, you mean Single User Mode? Rescue Mode is in *Ubuntu |
| 09:47.46 | Sumpen | im pretty sure im running debian etch in rescue mode... |
| 09:48.02 | amphi | Sumpen: mount -t proc proc /proc |
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| 09:48.51 | Pupeno-G | What's the command to choose which programs you want as default, like, which more/less, which emacs, which browser, etc? It was a command that would modify /etc/alternative if I'm not mistaken. |
| 09:48.58 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, i could not see nvidia xconfig-no-logo |
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| 09:49.09 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, didn't say that. |
| 09:49.10 | petemc | Pupeno-G: update-alternatives --config whatever |
| 09:49.19 | Pupeno-G | petemc: thanks. |
| 09:49.24 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, I said: execute this: nvidia-xconfig --no-logo |
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| 09:54.03 | jelly-home | !test |
| 09:54.03 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:55.07 | malazaka | hello, i know google is my friend.. but sometimes is better to ask the people who know.. i wonder if anyone can recommend me a good site or good book about how to compile the kernel |
| 09:55.43 | cydork | malazaka: why do you need to compile it?? |
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| 09:56.29 | nkuttler | malazaka: /msg dpkg kp |
| 09:57.30 | malazaka | cause i want to learn about linux |
| 09:57.32 | malazaka | thats why |
| 09:57.54 | malazaka | and i want my laptop to boot in about 20 seconds i know i can do it |
| 09:57.56 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, oh sorry.....my mistake |
| 09:58.43 | kernel_ghost | malazaka: it is very rare these days that you are required to compile your own kernel, and the tiniest piece of performance you 'may' get is hardly worth it |
| 09:58.49 | cydork | malazaka: first of all you don't learn anything by compiling stuff.. |
| 09:59.16 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, i get this message : pctech:/home/linuxguy# nvidia-xconfig --no-logo |
| 09:59.16 | linuxguy | bash: nvidia-xconfig: command not found |
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| 09:59.31 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, install the utility |
| 10:00.02 | pumpkin0 | i'm searching a webcam with good linux support and a low latency. Any hints? |
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| 10:00.37 | malazaka | well a lot of guys had told me that if i want to learn about linux i need to know about the kenerl and how to compile it |
| 10:00.49 | wols_ | malazaka: they were wrong |
| 10:01.04 | kernel_ghost | malazaka: its not a bad skill to know but there are far more useful things to learn at the beginning |
| 10:01.28 | Repossessed | custom compiles are fun, but usually only useful for a lastditch effort to get obscure hardware to work |
| 10:01.43 | kernel_ghost | agreed |
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| 10:02.31 | Repossessed | or bleeding edge hardware that needs beta driver patched into the kernel (avoid the bleeding edge, avoid it hard) |
| 10:02.36 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, no i get this : E: Couldn't find package nvidia-xconfig-no-logo |
| 10:02.43 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, goddamit! |
| 10:02.52 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, aptitude install nvidia-xconfig |
| 10:02.52 | malazaka | so what its more usefull.. kernel? |
| 10:02.54 | wols_ | linuxguy: what debian version? |
| 10:03.05 | linuxguy | _z.....i see where i make a mistake |
| 10:03.08 | wols_ | malazaka: the command line and its many many many tools |
| 10:03.22 | Repossessed | malazaka: the first thing to learn is probably Bash |
| 10:03.28 | _ZeuZ_ | wols_, you forgot many "many"s |
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| 10:04.02 | kernel_ghost | malazaka: i would say learn how to use the command line/terminal. Learn how to edit config files and read logs and interpret logs |
| 10:04.02 | linuxguy | wols 4.04 just installed it last nite |
| 10:04.14 | kernel_ghost | that is more important for the early stages |
| 10:04.18 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, .......its seems to be instaklling now thanks |
| 10:04.38 | _ZeuZ_ | kernel_ghost++++ |
| 10:05.22 | kernel_ghost | _ZeuZ_: u agree? |
| 10:05.40 | malazaka | there no money software to do this for me. as in windows.. i use vispa and window manager.. now vista boots in 25 seconds |
| 10:05.47 | Repossessed | the second thing to learn, is the ability to read a man page |
| 10:05.51 | malazaka | i know i have to do this manually.. i need to get rid of lot of stuff |
| 10:05.52 | malazaka | i dont need |
| 10:05.56 | malazaka | that make the boot slow |
| 10:06.11 | malazaka | im lazy but.. ok.. i will read |
| 10:06.16 | malazaka | and do it manually |
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| 10:06.33 | _ZeuZ_ | malazaka, stop |
| 10:06.38 | _ZeuZ_ | malazaka, writting |
| 10:06.40 | _ZeuZ_ | malazaka, that |
| 10:06.41 | kernel_ghost | malazaka: i honestly do not think you will make enough drastic changes to enhance your boot time by recompiling your linux kernel |
| 10:06.44 | _ZeuZ_ | malazaka, WAY! |
| 10:07.14 | hoxu | I have a mass storage device that spouts a lot of "Device not ready: Sense Key : Not Ready [current]" messages in syslog during mounting (but not use), is it safe to ignore these errors (and any idea what's the cause)? |
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| 10:07.42 | swilky | can you make pptpd read from passwd for vpn usernames and passwords? |
| 10:07.52 | malazaka | i mean... leopard boots in 20 seconds. vista i make it boot in 25.. debian is boot in 50 seconds on my macbook .. cause i dont know how to get rid of all this services i dont need |
| 10:07.56 | malazaka | you know what i mean |
| 10:08.04 | malazaka | thats why i need to learn how to do this |
| 10:08.23 | kernel_ghost | malazaka: i think you should research exactly what a kernel is |
| 10:08.30 | _ZeuZ_ | malazaka, you seriously need to do some EXTENSIVE reading |
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| 10:09.00 | malazaka | one guy from ubuntu room.. told me ubuntu is booting in 15 seconds |
| 10:09.07 | malazaka | on his old laptop |
| 10:09.07 | kernel_ghost | malazaka: the services you refer to are not related to the kernel. If you want to manage what services start up at boot you are looking in the wrong direction |
| 10:09.42 | _ZeuZ_ | Hopes some OP sees this and takes care of the situation. |
| 10:09.48 | malazaka | im getting tired of debian. no support at all |
| 10:09.51 | malazaka | i will chane to ubuntu sorry |
| 10:09.52 | Repossessed | optimizing the kernel for the processor might get you a little more speed on the boot, but its really not worth it to have to recompile the kernel every time you want to add a module |
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| 10:10.00 | nareshov | malazaka: please do so, bye |
| 10:10.02 | _ZeuZ_ | malazaka, also, you're using Ubuntu right now. |
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| 10:10.16 | kernel_ghost | ok good |
| 10:10.17 | hoxu | !trollgong |
| 10:10.20 | hoxu | !troll gong |
| 10:10.21 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
| 10:10.26 | _ZeuZ_ | !troll gong x2 |
| 10:10.29 | Repossessed | Asking the Ubuntu people how to compile a kernel would be amusing... |
| 10:11.16 | _ZeuZ_ | Repossessed, they actually have a good tutorial int heir forum :) but there's nothing better than make && make modules install && mv vZimage /boot && update-grub :) |
| 10:11.33 | _ZeuZ_ | or use make-kpkg without the CLEAN target... |
| 10:11.37 | wols_ | _ZeuZ_: that's EVIL. yes upper case evil |
| 10:11.56 | _ZeuZ_ | wols_, x'D |
| 10:11.57 | snacky | but that's LIVE backwards |
| 10:11.59 | Repossessed | forgot to do the clean step once... |
| 10:12.03 | Repossessed | only once |
| 10:12.26 | _ZeuZ_ | Is going to update it's SID after 2 months |
| 10:13.34 | kernel_ghost | malazaka is whinging about us in ubuntu |
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| 10:14.08 | cydork | !customer |
| 10:14.08 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
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| 10:14.14 | kernel_ghost | lol |
| 10:14.31 | idimmu | crap im still banned from #ubuntu |
| 10:14.40 | idimmu | that was like over a month ago .. |
| 10:15.34 | kernel_ghost | lol |
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| 10:15.41 | kernel_ghost | i am a troll apparently |
| 10:15.55 | Repossessed | they let me in |
| 10:16.11 | kernel_ghost | according to malazaka |
| 10:16.17 | _ZeuZ_ | kernel_ghost, lol, that malazaCRAP guy needs a serious headshot from an Ak47 |
| 10:16.21 | themill | !ot |
| 10:16.21 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 10:16.33 | kernel_ghost | lol |
| 10:16.41 | themill | bitching about #ubuntu is a fun sport, but not one for #debian |
| 10:16.58 | kernel_ghost | agreed, but we tried to help him here is all |
| 10:17.34 | Repossessed | He reminds me of the customer's I deal with |
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| 10:21.49 | kekokiko | hiiiiii |
| 10:22.21 | kekokiko | how can i install debian on my car stereo |
| 10:22.31 | kekokiko | i need to know plz |
| 10:22.33 | kernel_ghost | kekokiko: lol |
| 10:22.35 | JensNDS | lol |
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| 10:23.09 | kekokiko | i watch a guy on youtube |
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| 10:23.22 | linuxguy | !xgl |
| 10:23.22 | dpkg | from memory, xgl is the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running. Ask me about <compiz> and <xgl-howto>, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl or deprecated and unsupported |
| 10:23.27 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:23.31 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:23.35 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:23.40 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:23.42 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:23.43 | _ZeuZ_ | someone please ban the flooder. |
| 10:23.44 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:23.51 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:23.52 | hoxu | !ops hishamfathi spamming |
| 10:23.52 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: hoxu complains about: hishamfathi spamming |
| 10:23.52 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:24.01 | hishamfathi | http://www.3lom-mans.montadalhilal.com |
| 10:24.02 | *** mode/#debian [+b %hishamfathi!*@*] by kloeri |
| 10:24.16 | _ZeuZ_ | kisses kloeri, Thanks! |
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| 10:24.23 | hoxu | kloeri, great |
| 10:24.26 | kloeri | welcome |
| 10:24.33 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: hi! remember me with hda intel problem? |
| 10:24.36 | Sirgado | I've got two servers I want them to send me their notifications (now they send me local mails to my local user), but I'm not sure how to do it |
| 10:24.46 | RichiH | too slow :) |
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| 10:24.48 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, not really, :) but hi! |
| 10:25.10 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: on friday i told about sound problem in 2.6.25 |
| 10:25.14 | Sirgado | if I config exim to use an external STMP (as GMail, for example) the server will refuse the mails (because the domain) |
| 10:25.44 | berzerka | wols_: you say that using kpkg without doing make-kpkg clean is evil. when i use clean, he rebuilds the whole kernel each time i only change one option. if i don't want that, i don't use kpkg? |
| 10:25.45 | rmrfchik | I can't hear sound in 2.6.25 and now in 2.6.26 |
| 10:25.52 | rmrfchik | in 24 all worked fine |
| 10:25.58 | Sirgado | if I config eximf to send the mails using its smtp capabilities big mail servers may refuse my mails because of banned IP |
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| 10:26.50 | petemc | Sirgado: if you have credentials to authenticate with gmail it should work fine |
| 10:26.55 | Sirgado | may I set up a pop3 server on each server and download mail from them? |
| 10:27.04 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, was it a custom compiled kernel? |
| 10:27.19 | rmrfchik | no, packaged one |
| 10:27.56 | rmrfchik | last time I had compile the kernel was...hmm.. let me see... 2002? |
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| 10:28.05 | Repossessed | ok, actual question time, is there any known issue networking CentOS and Debian together? When I try to back up to my server, it crashes both boxes. |
| 10:28.05 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, did you try modprobe hda_intel ? |
| 10:28.28 | rmrfchik | sure, I have all devices set, have alsamixer "working", kmixer, aumixer and so on |
| 10:28.30 | linuxguy | damn.........says Ive not got xgl installed now!!......is there an easy way to install this?/.....Im new to debian as you can see :( |
| 10:28.33 | petemc | Repossessed: networking is a very vague term, but there should be no issues |
| 10:28.40 | rmrfchik | mpg123/alsaplayer/amarok all "plays" the music |
| 10:28.43 | rmrfchik | but no sound. |
| 10:28.52 | Repossessed | nfs in the specific |
| 10:28.53 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, are the speakers connected? :) |
| 10:28.55 | rmrfchik | i've checked the levels |
| 10:28.59 | rmrfchik | sure :) |
| 10:29.01 | Sirgado | petemc, you mean send the mails using my GMail address, so all mails will seem to have been send by my GMail address.... using that way can I figure out which server send me the notification? |
| 10:29.16 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, pastebin the output of lsmod and send us the URL |
| 10:29.36 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: I removed modules, modprobed again, heard the "click" in headphones on initalization. |
| 10:29.46 | kekokiko | waaaaaa... i want a debian machine |
| 10:29.58 | kernel_ghost | kekokiko: so do something about it |
| 10:30.05 | petemc | Sirgado: the info should be in the headers |
| 10:30.34 | Sirgado | ok, I'll try that way, thank you petemc |
| 10:30.43 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: http://pastebin.com/m6b028072 |
| 10:31.17 | kekokiko | i mean debian hardware.. made by debian guys |
| 10:31.19 | kekokiko | wuuu |
| 10:31.24 | kekokiko | i cant wait for debian pc |
| 10:31.37 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, well, the modules are indeed there... isn't there some trouble with the levels or some "mute" touched? |
| 10:31.51 | zxxd | is there a debianized xen patch for debian stock kernel? |
| 10:31.53 | zxxd | in etch |
| 10:32.21 | petemc | zxxd: there are prebuilt xen kernels in etch |
| 10:34.07 | wols_ | petemc: but a kinda old xen version I'd guess |
| 10:34.20 | petemc | wols_: what kernel version is official xen? |
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| 10:34.52 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: all levels are up. no muted. |
| 10:34.53 | wols_ | petemc: dunno. but they are in development and I've seen them release a new major version after etch came out |
| 10:35.19 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, well, then I guess it should be something lacking in alsaconf |
| 10:35.31 | petemc | im still using etchs xen on some machines and it works fine |
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| 10:40.27 | _ZeuZ_ | where can I find a hardware compatibility list for 2.4 kernels? |
| 10:40.30 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: i searched the internets and found there is something broken 2.6.25 in hda intel driver :( |
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| 10:41.06 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, I haven't got that problem and I use the same module for mine, but, as for regressions come to, it seems like there could be a problem with your specific hardware |
| 10:41.16 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, have you seen if there's a patch for it? |
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| 10:41.27 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: in lkml yes |
| 10:41.49 | rmrfchik | I hoped 2.6.26 will include this patch... seems not |
| 10:42.31 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, seems like you'll have to patch it yourself, and go for it |
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| 10:48.16 | zxxd | is there a way to possible add various display device drivers in xorg.conf and have it dynamically choose the one that matches the hardware? |
| 10:48.53 | amphi | zxxd: on lenny, xorg should do that in any case, I think |
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| 10:49.12 | zxxd | amphi, really? on every invocation of X ? |
| 10:49.17 | zxxd | every time i start X ? |
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| 10:49.45 | amphi | I would think so; it does a lot of auto-configuration these days |
| 10:50.23 | pumpkin0 | zxxd: with xrandr 1.2 you don't need to defined the monitors anymore. You just need the maximal resolution over all connected devices. |
| 10:50.25 | peppe | xorg should have a certain degree of auto configuration, but I don't know if you can add many configurations to your xorg.conf and let X choose the right one(s) |
| 10:51.06 | peppe | hm, the monitor or the video drivers? |
| 10:51.21 | zxxd | pumpkin0, what about the display drivers? |
| 10:51.27 | pumpkin0 | peppe: you still need the video drivers. |
| 10:51.42 | _ZeuZ_ | Wiii!!! Chaos Legion Installs through Wine! |
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| 10:51.49 | pumpkin0 | zxxd: you want to switch video cards or monitors? |
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| 10:52.45 | zxxd | pumpkin0, both would be nice , but right now video cards |
| 10:53.13 | pumpkin0 | zxxd: will you install more then one video card at the same time? |
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| 10:54.01 | zxxd | pumpkin0, i am booting from NFS , same client for many different machines |
| 10:54.47 | pumpkin0 | zxxd: ois. it should be possible, but i never tried it. |
| 10:55.16 | zxxd | what should be possible? |
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| 10:55.59 | pumpkin0 | zxxd: it should be possible for xorg to autodetect the video card and monitors. I only did the monitors and don't know how to do the video cards. |
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| 10:57.30 | Internat | Howdy all.. IM playing arround with clamav for a virus scanner for my email.. Ive got no incoming email at the moment but clamav seems to be sitting arround 20% cpu usage and i have no idea why.. the logs dont seem to indicate that its doing anything.. but it ovviously is.. any suggestions? |
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| 11:00.58 | zxxd | pumpkin0, i dont know if the X ver in etch supports this , detecting video driver |
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| 11:03.00 | _ZeuZ_ | suppose I want to set a fixed width to Gnome's panel (smaller than 25) how can I do that? |
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| 11:08.43 | humbolt | I heard etch+1 did get a new kernel, is that right? which version? is there a new xen version as well and does the new kernel support xen as well? |
| 11:08.44 | _ZeuZ_ | nvm, found a workaround |
| 11:08.59 | _ZeuZ_ | humbolt, you mean etch&half? |
| 11:09.01 | humbolt | do I need to add or change any repositories to get them? |
| 11:09.02 | _ZeuZ_ | humbolt, 2.6.24 |
| 11:09.12 | humbolt | _ZeuZ_: yes I do |
| 11:09.25 | _ZeuZ_ | humbolt, yes, you need to add a custom repo, or enable proposed-updates |
| 11:09.25 | humbolt | _ZeuZ_: what about Xen? |
| 11:09.26 | peppe | 2.6.25 AFAIK |
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| 11:10.12 | _ZeuZ_ | humbolt, wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf |
| 11:10.44 | _ZeuZ_ | peppe, 2.6.24 |
| 11:11.06 | GuySoft | um, hello , i have a package i made, and i want to add a post-install script. does anyone here have a good documentation to do this? |
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| 11:11.20 | rmrfchik | is there any lucky with motherboard Gigabyte ga-g33-ds3r ig33? |
| 11:11.35 | peppe | _ZeuZ_: lenny has already 2.6.25... what's going on? |
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| 11:11.56 | humbolt | etch&half has been released already, right? |
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| 11:12.16 | zxxd | when is lenny due to be released? |
| 11:12.20 | _ZeuZ_ | peppe, acording to Debian's Wiki, etch&half will have 2.6.24 |
| 11:12.25 | zxxd | etch N half! |
| 11:12.35 | _ZeuZ_ | zxxd, ends of this year |
| 11:13.22 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, wasn't it released yet? |
| 11:13.35 | _ZeuZ_ | zxxd, Lenny? nop. |
| 11:13.43 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, etch n Half |
| 11:13.49 | themill | !lenny status |
| 11:13.49 | dpkg | Toolchain: frozen. Libs: frozen. Everything else: frozen. Now, it's serious bug squashing time. When will lenny release? Sooner if you help. See http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ for ideas how you can help. See also <rc-alert>. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00007.html |
| 11:13.52 | peppe | _ZeuZ_: sorry, I understood lenny |
| 11:14.44 | aleksanteri | !etch&half |
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| 11:15.50 | zxxd | i don't see the newer kernel with apt-cache search |
| 11:15.53 | zxxd | running etch |
| 11:16.18 | teratoma_ | do you have etch and a half repo in your repos ? |
| 11:16.21 | _ZeuZ_ | zxxd, read the Wiki url I pasted before. |
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| 11:17.35 | Sumpen | amphi: Thank you, justy what i needed (the proc stuff) Went to lunch so i didnt see it earlier. :) |
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| 11:20.18 | jelly-home | _ZeuZ_: etchnhalf already has 2.6.24. |
| 11:20.32 | zxxd | but it was released already no ? etchnhalf |
| 11:20.37 | zxxd | just aptitude upgrade |
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| 11:21.50 | zxxd | What will not work with this 2.6.24 kernel |
| 11:21.51 | zxxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.51 | zxxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.52 | zxxd | woo0t! |
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| 11:22.11 | jelly-home | zxxd: yes, it's release and no, a simple upgrade won't get you the newer kernel. you'll have to install it explicitely |
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| 11:28.02 | _ZeuZ_ | jelly-home, that's what I meant, thanks for clarifying |
| 11:28.27 | zxxd | there absoultly nothing different from the current sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-38 etch package and the sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1 , i don't know why they released the same package only with the +etchnhalf.1 |
| 11:28.30 | _ZeuZ_ | btw, and talking about kernel, does anybody know of a hardware list for 2.4 kernels? |
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| 11:28.55 | _ZeuZ_ | zxxd, look at the source, and compare them, they ARE different. |
| 11:31.08 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, the docs? |
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| 11:31.48 | zxxd | i dont see any difference in the rc and rcS scripts |
| 11:32.01 | _ZeuZ_ | zxxd, no, that the actual sysv had to be modified for some legacy scripts to work with the newer system monitoring in 2.6.24 |
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| 11:32.41 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, sysv-rc ? |
| 11:32.42 | _ZeuZ_ | such as the deprecated (in 2.6.24 and so) "shaper" dicipline |
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| 11:33.55 | shingouz | ever see a known-good PS/2 mouse start smoking when booting up a computer the mouse is connected to? i just had one here. impressive |
| 11:34.08 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, i ran diff , on rc and rcS , no difference |
| 11:34.36 | _ZeuZ_ | you won;t see difference on how the scripts are dealt with in /etc/rcXXXX |
| 11:34.49 | _ZeuZ_ | that differences ARE MANAGED BY sysv |
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| 11:36.28 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, what? |
| 11:37.27 | _ZeuZ_ | zxxd, to make it simpler, use apt-build to get the sources and use the compare flags against the one you currently have installed (you'll need to download both sources) |
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| 11:38.12 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_,i downloaded sysv-rc_2.86.ds1-38+etchnhalf.1 , extracted then ran a diff on rc and rcS scripts with the one installed |
| 11:38.16 | zxxd | and there is no difference' |
| 11:38.27 | _ZeuZ_ | ? |
| 11:38.29 | _ZeuZ_ | weird. |
| 11:38.35 | _ZeuZ_ | I do see differences poping up. |
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| 11:39.46 | segfault- | heya |
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| 11:39.57 | segfault- | i'm the user who spend time on a cobalt :) |
| 11:40.07 | segfault- | (if someone recognise himself, i'm available by /msg) |
| 11:40.10 | segfault- | :) |
| 11:40.18 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, in what files? |
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| 11:41.00 | teratoma_ | can we have experts exchange arrested for being annoying |
| 11:41.21 | _ZeuZ_ | teratoma_, get me in jail because of NOT being an expert :) |
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| 11:41.26 | kernel_ghost | teratoma_: why? |
| 11:41.45 | teratoma_ | i hate the, |
| 11:41.47 | teratoma_ | m |
| 11:41.53 | teratoma_ | they just crawl the web for free content |
| 11:41.54 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, in what files , in rc or rcS ? |
| 11:41.55 | kernel_ghost | i love how u go there and it looks like u cant get the answer but if u keep scrolling u get the answer |
| 11:41.57 | kernel_ghost | lol |
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| 11:41.59 | teratoma_ | then put it behind their pay wall |
| 11:42.01 | _ZeuZ_ | rcS |
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| 11:42.02 | teratoma_ | oh |
| 11:42.10 | teratoma_ | i didnt know that, i just close the page out of anger |
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| 11:42.31 | kernel_ghost | teratoma_: its true |
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| 11:42.53 | lucapost | hi |
| 11:43.05 | lucapost | hi |
| 11:43.10 | kernel_ghost | hi |
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| 11:43.40 | zxxd | _ZeuZ_, all rcS has is exec /etc/init.d/rc S |
| 11:43.54 | amphi | Sumpen: good-oh |
| 11:44.11 | _ZeuZ_ | against /exec /etc/init.d in mine |
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| 11:44.56 | _ZeuZ_ | oh wait |
| 11:45.04 | _ZeuZ_ | the difference with mine is that I'm using init-ng |
| 11:45.07 | _ZeuZ_ | ignore me |
| 11:45.29 | milligan | I've connected my cellphone to my computer, using usb. lsusb doesn't seem to list it. Is there any way of checking if the computer has detected the connection? Should it be listed in /dev/ ? |
| 11:45.59 | _ZeuZ_ | milligan, that higly depends on the phones mark |
| 11:46.19 | milligan | sony ericsson w880i or something like that |
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| 11:47.53 | bigfoot- | Hi, I want to prevent apt-get from upgrading binutils-avr to 2.18-4 (currently installed is -3), but do not want to "hold" it (using dpkg-select or alike), as I want upgrades to, e.g., 2.18-5, once they are released ... |
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| 11:48.15 | bigfoot- | this is what I'm trying (using /etc/apt/preferences): http://pbot.rmdir.de/1518abda5c2a350bd371e3b118b20ae4 |
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| 11:48.37 | bigfoot- | from reading the apt_preferences man page this is what should be working ... any hints what I'm doing wrong? |
| 11:49.00 | abrotman | !hold |
| 11:49.00 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
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| 11:49.43 | bigfoot- | abrotman: as I said. I do *not* want to "hold", for the reason I mentioned. |
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| 11:49.51 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 11:52.18 | zxxd | questio |
| 11:52.19 | zxxd | n |
| 11:52.30 | zxxd | never mind |
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| 11:54.10 | themill | bigfoot-: you'll have to pin against that package then. man 5 apt_preferences |
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| 11:54.52 | arafangion | Hey, how do I start xnest properly or figure out what the heck is wrong? I get 'Couldn't get keyboard'. |
| 11:55.56 | bigfoot- | themill: that's exactly what I was trying, read my second and third line :) the pasted stuff behind that url shows what I inserted into /etc/apt/preferences, and what apt-cache policy tells about that ... please have a look at that paste |
| 11:57.34 | arafangion | Xnest does successfully start, however the only thing that seems to work in it is xclock - nothing else works! (No, not even xterm) |
| 11:58.14 | DawnLight | what do i need the stupid acpid package for? |
| 11:58.34 | bigfoot- | that's a daemon listening (and possibly reacting to) ACPI events. |
| 11:58.39 | amphi | DawnLight: for stupid acpi |
| 11:58.43 | bigfoot- | and there's nothing "stupid" about that |
| 11:58.45 | bigfoot- | hehe. |
| 11:58.58 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.02 | DawnLight | no, really. what kind of events except the power button? |
| 11:59.13 | arafangion | DawnLight, CPU throttling? |
| 11:59.13 | DawnLight | it seems totally unnecessary to me |
| 11:59.19 | dante_2core | DawnLight, if you consider acpi stupid then remove it |
| 11:59.21 | DawnLight | it does cpu throttling? |
| 11:59.33 | DawnLight | acpid does cpu throttling? |
| 11:59.37 | amphi | DawnLight: fn-foo key combos, ac/batt switching, etc |
| 11:59.41 | DawnLight | get outta here |
| 11:59.54 | _ZeuZ_ | !troll gong |
| 11:59.55 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
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| 11:59.59 | DawnLight | but what is it good for? |
| 12:00.03 | arafangion | DawnLight, I'm making stuff up but I wouldn't be surprised. acpi's a big messy can of worms that's really cool when you start talking about power management. |
| 12:00.12 | amphi | DawnLight: it could do; or switch cpufreq governators on batt, and the like |
| 12:00.14 | dante_2core | who? acpi does a lot and has its scripts |
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| 12:00.37 | themill | DawnLight: apt-cache rdepends acpid. apt-cache show acpid. RTFM. kthnxbye |
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| 12:00.49 | dante_2core | themill, lol I second that XD |
| 12:00.49 | amphi | DawnLight: TFM is your friend |
| 12:00.53 | arafangion | DawnLight, Almost the only problem with acpi are all the niggling little incompatibilities and broken hardware, but when things work, it's very nice. |
| 12:00.58 | DawnLight | im' reading my ass off |
| 12:01.00 | amphi | themill: heh, got it in first |
| 12:01.23 | DawnLight | i love acpi and cpu throttling and voltage things but acpid?? |
| 12:01.26 | arafangion | How do I get xnest working? |
| 12:01.57 | dante_2core | DawnLight, I really meant that before - often if I don't see why I should have a package then I just remove it and see what happens :) I know it's not beatiful this way, but it's effective :) |
| 12:02.00 | amphi | DawnLight: acpid is a daemon that listens for acpi events, and can take action on them, if desired |
| 12:02.13 | themill | bigfoot-: try using a large +ve pin (1001) for the package you do want rather than a negative pin for the one you don't want: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-apt-get.en.html#s-pin |
| 12:02.34 | jelly-home | themill: which sounds suspiciously like a hold |
| 12:02.42 | DawnLight | if i use the cpufrequtils and the ondemand module, then do i need acpid for this to work? |
| 12:02.50 | jelly-home | DawnLight: no |
| 12:03.00 | themill | jelly-home: err yeah |
| 12:03.01 | DawnLight | then what should i need the acpid for? |
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| 12:03.05 | flower | how do I make sun java the default java and not gij (GNU libgcj) version 4.3.1 |
| 12:03.09 | DawnLight | yeah? what yeah? |
| 12:03.13 | bigfoot- | themill: problem is: there's no package I *do* want. I want to keep the -3 version *until* some -5 version (or a new upstream version, say, 2.19-0) is released. |
| 12:03.14 | amphi | DawnLight: no; you don't cpufreq-utils to set the ondemand governator either |
| 12:03.15 | themill | flower: update-java-alternatives |
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| 12:03.37 | themill | bigfoot-: why not just put it on hold until the new version is released. Path of least resistance. |
| 12:03.37 | DawnLight | what do you mean |
| 12:03.44 | jelly-home | DawnLight: [acpid] power button, lid handling for example |
| 12:03.51 | bigfoot- | themill: ie. I want to specifically forbid the -4 version ... I thought that's what negative pins are there for? |
| 12:04.17 | dante_2core | DawnLight, I keep saying it: remove it and see wether you miss any functionality, if yes, re-add it and you'll know why |
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| 12:04.23 | themill | bigfoot-: yeah, but they don't work for packages like that only releases. http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html has some useful details. Esp the last paragraphs. |
| 12:04.28 | jelly-home | bigfoot-: the pinning feature is... weird. |
| 12:04.34 | bigfoot- | themill: I could do that, but I'd have to remember checking for newer versions manually :) which I would rather want to avoid |
| 12:04.40 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 12:04.40 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 12:04.40 | DawnLight | dante_2core: if you know so why don't just tell me |
| 12:04.52 | themill | bigfoot-: subscribe to that package on the PTS then |
| 12:05.01 | bigfoot- | thanks themill, I'll read up on that. |
| 12:05.17 | _ZeuZ_ | DawnLight, remember to have respect along other participants. |
| 12:05.18 | dante_2core | DawnLight, I use acpi for all my power button things (hibernate etc) and battery power status checking, which does need a daemon because it takes regular checking on a timely basis |
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| 12:06.09 | amphi | DawnLight: you can just set the governator in /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 12:06.09 | dante_2core | DawnLight, and I mean it all 100% seriously - I do that very often, as I often happen to be "wtf, what does that package do? nvm, remove it and see" |
| 12:06.24 | flower | themill, what is the exact command? |
| 12:07.21 | DawnLight | dante_2core: don't desktop environments like kde do that? i don't see klaptopdaemon depending on acpid |
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| 12:07.31 | themill | flower: update-java-alternatives |
| 12:07.56 | dante_2core | DawnLight, then test wether it works without :D some battery stuff also works with only the kernel, but i'm not very well informed there |
| 12:08.09 | _ZeuZ_ | DawnLight, klaptopmanager deals with /etc/sysfs.conf directly afaik |
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| 12:08.40 | _ZeuZ_ | s/klaptopmanager/whatever it's called/ |
| 12:08.54 | dante_2core | DawnLight, I don't know that much about acpi, but I remember the battery status not being around if it was off. The proc interface for all the power-thingies comes from acpi too, I think |
| 12:08.58 | flower | themill: sorry but what should be the arguments? |
| 12:10.01 | bigfoot- | haha. quoting that web site: "The final conclusion has to be that not only the official documentation of apt, in regard to pinning, sucks-- but the whole design and algorithm that determines the candidate version is borked. It is counter-intuitive, ambiguous and not as flexible as it could be." |
| 12:10.10 | jelly-home | dante_2core: I think you don't need acpid to cat /proc/acpi/battery/BAT0/info, either |
| 12:10.14 | dante_2core | DawnLight, obvious question now, but I just want to make sure: did you know there is the "acpid" manpage? I've just noticed its there and it explains pretty well what the daemon does |
| 12:10.17 | bigfoot- | full ack. seems I can't do with it what I need :-( |
| 12:10.27 | dante_2core | jelly-home, thnx for the info |
| 12:10.35 | themill | flower: whatever you want them to be. I have no idea what jvms you have installed and what you want to select and whether you want just the jre or also the jdk to be from that java package. Probably something like: update-java-alternatives --list; update-java-alternatives java-6-sun |
| 12:10.47 | jelly-home | dante_2core: or "acpi -b" |
| 12:10.53 | dante_2core | hmn |
| 12:11.10 | dante_2core | 1 dante@dantehost ~ % which acpi |
| 12:11.10 | dante_2core | acpi not found |
| 12:11.22 | dante_2core | ... that's weird. acpi command is there. ?? |
| 12:12.01 | et | bigfoot-: create a small package that conflicts with -4 and install it? ;) |
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| 12:12.25 | et | +dummy |
| 12:12.41 | amphi | DawnLight: where? ;) |
| 12:12.59 | bigfoot- | et: hehe. interesting hackaround ;) |
| 12:12.59 | amphi | DawnLight: ETAB |
| 12:13.08 | DawnLight | etab? |
| 12:13.20 | themill | flower: btw I forgot --set in that second command.... that's why you should read the man page yourself. |
| 12:13.23 | amphi | DawnLight: tab-completion error |
| 12:13.40 | DawnLight | blame that |
| 12:14.17 | amphi | !blame DawnLight |
| 12:14.17 | dpkg | blames vorian and DawnLight for all the evil in the world |
| 12:14.27 | flower | themill: ok thanks |
| 12:15.41 | _ZeuZ_ | gosh I'm getting dizzy, I need something to eat... |
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| 12:16.37 | _ZeuZ_ | anyone having an aggresive powersaving ACPI script? taling about that... |
| 12:16.48 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 12:16.59 | dante_2core | _ZeuZ_, no, did you look for one online yet? i'm interested too |
| 12:17.38 | dante_2core | bah, I just returned from Wacken Openair, and I feel very weird. -. |
| 12:17.52 | amphi | _ZeuZ_: I imagine there are many online; removing uhci-hcd can help a lot, ditto yenta/pcmcia stuff; powertop is your friend |
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| 12:18.08 | dante_2core | powertop <3 |
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| 12:19.10 | _ZeuZ_ | is there any bug with nVidia GeForce Go! 6150 and backlight not being able to be reduced? |
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| 12:20.20 | Danielss89 | hi, whats the command for changing a users home directory? |
| 12:20.44 | eljefe | Why can't I get to tuxmachines.org ? On a daily basis my computer cannot get to websites. Its horrible! This is Lenny, but its happened to me in various *buntus as well. From a commandline I can get the right IP, but in Firefox and Konqueror both it fails to resolve. |
| 12:20.46 | DawnLight | does networkmanager use ifupdown? |
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| 12:21.39 | dante_2core | DawnLight, you're cleaning up daemons, right? :D |
| 12:21.58 | DawnLight | dante_2core: :D |
| 12:22.10 | DawnLight | i'm setting up my laptop |
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| 12:22.38 | amphi | acpid is notoriously useless for laptops |
| 12:22.40 | DawnLight | i don't think i can use ntpdate with network manager because ntpdate is launched via ifup |
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| 12:22.52 | DawnLight | amphi: yes! |
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| 12:23.20 | dante_2core | I removed networkmanager long ago. |
| 12:23.21 | DawnLight | what should i use for setting system time from ntp in laptop with desktop? |
| 12:23.32 | DawnLight | networkmanager :( |
| 12:23.45 | _ZeuZ_ | wicd RockZ!:) |
| 12:23.57 | amphi | has not seen networkmanager |
| 12:24.00 | dante_2core | well, tbh, I use homegrown scripts for most things. I'm the minimal-system kinda user |
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| 12:24.14 | amphi | loves bloat |
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| 12:24.43 | amphi | bloaters, mmm... |
| 12:24.50 | dante_2core | yea, but networkmanager made problems with restarting mpd |
| 12:24.52 | abrotman | flush again? |
| 12:25.04 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 12:26.02 | cast | finally, room is clean |
| 12:26.10 | amphi | !room |
| 12:26.10 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 12:26.13 | dante_2core | ^^ |
| 12:26.26 | DawnLight | shiny |
| 12:26.28 | dante_2core | !something |
| 12:26.28 | dpkg | from memory, something is description |
| 12:26.38 | amphi | haha |
| 12:26.58 | DawnLight | so what do i use for power saving? |
| 12:27.14 | DawnLight | laptop-mode-tools seems too much |
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| 12:27.15 | arafangion | How do I get xnest working? |
| 12:27.20 | dante_2core | aptitude moo -vvvvv |
| 12:27.34 | DawnLight | i want hdd spin-down, for example |
| 12:27.41 | cast | arafangion: by not doing it wrong |
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| 12:27.54 | cast | arafangion: took me maybe 30 minutes and google to get it working iirc |
| 12:27.58 | dante_2core | DawnLight, spin-down is a delicios thing. don't use it if you're not using it the right way |
| 12:28.18 | DawnLight | dante_2core: what will happen |
| 12:28.19 | amphi | DawnLight: hdparm; you could call hdparm on switch to batt from an acpi script - oh, wait... |
| 12:28.24 | dante_2core | DawnLight, you see, if you use a bad script for it, it'll turn your hd up and down every few minutes |
| 12:28.25 | arafangion | cast, Apparently it "Couldn't get keyboard." |
| 12:28.39 | dante_2core | resulting in your hd overall life shortening a _lot_ |
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| 12:29.39 | dante_2core | DawnLight, but if you find something useful not doing that, tell me, I'm still looking for something like that |
| 12:29.54 | vlt | Hello. I got some strange OpenVPN error messages on one client today (Debian Etch on both server and client): "TLS Error: unknown opcode received from xxx.xxx.81.182:1197 op=22" and "Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: packet HMAC authentication failed". Any idea what could cause this? |
| 12:29.55 | arafangion | cast, Seems to start ok and xclock works, but nothing else. |
| 12:30.00 | DawnLight | dante_2core: noflushd is being looked at |
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| 12:30.43 | dante_2core | DawnLight, looks good, i'll give it a try |
| 12:31.37 | dante_2core | afk, and good luck, for that matter. |
| 12:32.00 | cast | arafangion: ahh, the almost works but not quite problems are most annoying :\ |
| 12:32.21 | amphi | DawnLight: or your acpi script can set vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs |
| 12:33.23 | arafangion | cast, Indeed, particularly after a long day of windows development. |
| 12:33.50 | arafangion | I was hoping to just check out xfce4! |
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| 12:34.26 | DawnLight | try doors development, perhaps. i hear it's nice |
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| 12:34.49 | arafangion | DawnLight, That's a nice and impressive little ruby lib, but too simplistic for my purposes. :( |
| 12:35.43 | arafangion | Python's better, imho, even if Ruby's the better _language_. Ruby should be much better than it is, but keep in mind that it's over 10 years old. |
| 12:35.58 | DawnLight | i don't know what you're talking about |
| 12:36.03 | DawnLight | i only made a joke |
| 12:36.58 | kernel_ghost | DawnLight: shame on u, how dare u have a sense of humor |
| 12:37.19 | DawnLight | cries |
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| 12:38.00 | kernel_ghost | DawnLight: buy me a beer and i will forgive u |
| 12:38.29 | _ZeuZ_ | is there any other tool like gconf-editor? |
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| 12:38.56 | kernel_ghost | _ZeuZ_: what is it that you seek to change? |
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| 12:39.20 | _ZeuZ_ | kernel_ghost, that it doesn't allow me to change the schemes, it tells me it will be added in newer versions |
| 12:39.34 | _ZeuZ_ | and I can't set my laptop display brightness lower |
| 12:40.19 | arafangion | DawnLight, Doors is a ruby gui library. |
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| 12:41.37 | DawnLight | great. now i know to avoid thhat joke |
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| 12:43.39 | arafangion | cast, Actually it seems that the problem isn't that Xnest 'almost works', it seems to "barely work", no keyboard, and apparently no fonts either! |
| 12:43.54 | arafangion | Not sure which is the bigger problem. |
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| 12:44.20 | Suprano | how can i find out which process uses how much network bandwith? |
| 12:44.52 | wols_ | ntop iptraf |
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| 12:45.18 | cast | ntop, hmm |
| 12:45.34 | Suprano | danke |
| 12:45.38 | petemc | iptraf shows per process? |
| 12:46.11 | cast | nah |
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| 12:50.05 | linuxguy | !glx |
| 12:50.05 | dpkg | i guess glx is OpenGL Extension to the X Window System |
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| 12:50.10 | kexman | hello debian people |
| 12:50.15 | kexman | im reading this article : http://www.phocean.net/?p=12 |
| 12:50.28 | kexman | that update-resolv-conf script is that a debian developed script ? |
| 12:50.36 | kexman | or is it from openvpn stuff ? |
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| 12:51.43 | petemc | kexman: its part of openvpn |
| 12:51.47 | petemc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:53.31 | _ZeuZ_ | I can't set brightness in my laptop, whenever I try to reduce the brightness I get the following output: No outputs have backlight property | Any idea what can I do about it? |
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| 12:54.15 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: try another driver? |
| 12:54.20 | kexman | petemc: wow which openvpn which version ? |
| 12:54.23 | kexman | petemc: im using gentoo |
| 12:54.28 | kexman | and i dont know of any such script |
| 12:54.36 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, I'm using the official one, and in other partition having Etch installed, it's working... |
| 12:54.43 | abrotman | !find update-resolv-conf etch |
| 12:54.43 | petemc | kexman: its part of the debian openvpn package |
| 12:54.48 | kexman | aha |
| 12:54.51 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: i have no idea wtf official means |
| 12:54.52 | kexman | so its debian related ? :) |
| 12:55.21 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, nvidia driver, that should say all ;) |
| 12:55.29 | kexman | petemc: anyway its not working well here :) if i push DOMAIN with openvpn it echos search DOMAIN.NAMEnameserver dnsserver. without no newline :) |
| 12:55.32 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: so ask them .. #nvidia |
| 12:55.38 | kexman | did i bork something ? |
| 12:55.38 | segfault- | i'm feeling that i want to kill someone .. |
| 12:55.45 | abrotman | kexman: you mean debian-specific |
| 12:55.52 | themill | holds a mirror in front of segfault- |
| 12:56.05 | segfault- | themill, grrr fsck you :p |
| 12:56.05 | arafangion | is getting very frustrated that Xnest isn't working. |
| 12:56.22 | kexman | abrotman: yes |
| 12:56.32 | segfault- | arafangion, i'm very frustrated that my cobalt act like a child and wont boot the perfect kernel i build for him :p |
| 12:57.21 | arafangion | segfault-, Does your cobalt have at the very least a version, or a googlable symptom? |
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| 12:57.49 | masus_ | !tell masus about lenny |
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| 12:57.57 | arafangion | segfault-, Apparently my particular problem is so rare that nobody has found a solution. :( |
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| 12:58.33 | abrotman | kexman: you could grab the source package and look at the changelogs etc |
| 12:58.34 | arafangion | segfault-, I am not feelign particularly humorous today. |
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| 12:59.03 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.03 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.03 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:59.08 | abrotman | i'd guess that's it |
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| 12:59.25 | abrotman | kexman: which is from May 2007 |
| 12:59.29 | segfault- | arafangion, yeah a know symptom |
| 12:59.37 | segfault- | seems the raid / vfs is causing troubles |
| 12:59.45 | segfault- | gona maybe reinstall a classic linux |
| 12:59.51 | arafangion | segfault-, Nasty. :( Software raid? |
| 12:59.53 | segfault- | or remove raid |
| 12:59.55 | segfault- | yeah |
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| 13:00.10 | arafangion | What configuration? |
| 13:00.36 | segfault- | mdadmin installed, array built & configured |
| 13:00.46 | segfault- | (under debian etch) |
| 13:00.52 | segfault- | rom is up2date |
| 13:01.04 | segfault- | actually finished a new kernel |
| 13:01.08 | segfault- | will see if it boot |
| 13:02.16 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, managed to solve it reducing gamma with xgamma, do youthink that would really reduce the display's watt consumition? |
| 13:02.42 | abrotman | no idea |
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| 13:04.32 | arafangion | segfault-, You do have to admit it's one thing to have something new or obscure not working, it's another to have something that has been around for as long as you've been alive to not work. |
| 13:04.43 | arafangion | segfault-, And Xnest really should Just Work. |
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| 13:05.06 | segfault- | i do admit that sometimes the solution is just before us |
| 13:05.14 | zxxd | hi |
| 13:05.31 | zxxd | does anyone know a package that gives a cool bootslpash like the one in ubuntu |
| 13:05.33 | zxxd | bootsplash |
| 13:05.51 | zxxd | that hides the kernel output during boot |
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| 13:07.50 | themill | zxxd: apt-cache search splash |
| 13:08.16 | peppe | zxxd: ubuntu uses usplash |
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| 13:09.29 | zxxd | themill, bootsplash ? |
| 13:09.33 | Trewas | _ZeuZ_: if it is LCD, then the energy consumption is pretty much constant because the backlight always consumes the same |
| 13:09.55 | themill | zxxd: there are several. take your pick. I've never used any of them. |
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| 13:10.25 | zxxd | themill, do you know by any chance how to block users from removing this splash screen during bootup ? |
| 13:10.31 | zxxd | if i press ESC it goes away |
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| 13:11.10 | aleix | hi, I have a question. How can I send a mail message using the terminal and using a remote SMTP server? I don't want to use the local postfix, exim or whatever MTA i may have locally available... |
| 13:11.22 | segfault- | arafangion, dunno about your prob |
| 13:11.36 | hifi | aleix: telnet to the remote SMTP and write the message? :) |
| 13:11.40 | arafangion | segfault-, Turns out it was a combination of two problems. Fixed now. :) |
| 13:11.40 | themill | zxxd: nfc. I've never used any of them. |
| 13:11.55 | segfault- | arafangion, haha: confirmed my theory then |
| 13:12.06 | aleix | argh, thanks hifi... I forgot to say, also avoinding telnet... :D Sorry |
| 13:12.13 | abrotman | aleix: setup a mail client like mutt to use a remote smtp server |
| 13:12.22 | arafangion | segfault-, One, Had to disable a keyboard module thingy, with -kb |
| 13:12.42 | aleix | will mutt save the password in the clear in a file or will it ask it every time? |
| 13:13.06 | arafangion | segfault-, And two, had to guess that a desktop/window manager would setup some fonts for me, because it was setup without any fonts. (In other words, xterm wouldn't work by itself) |
| 13:13.12 | petemc | when did mutt start being able to use a remote smtp server? |
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| 13:14.14 | segfault- | petemc, when mutt did get to be a reliable client ? (warning : joke, no flames please) |
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| 13:14.26 | petemc | segfault-: it always has been |
| 13:14.27 | abrotman | aleix: password for what? |
| 13:14.39 | aleix | for my account in the remote smtp server |
| 13:14.51 | abrotman | oh .. unsure .. check the mutt docs |
| 13:14.58 | segfault- | petemc, the content between () is not mandatory :) |
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| 13:15.09 | aleix | ok, np... i'll go check the docs then. Thanks! |
| 13:15.16 | massmc_ | howdy |
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| 13:15.30 | abrotman | aleix: there are other CLI mail clients that you might also want to look at |
| 13:15.46 | aleix | ok... let's see them :) |
| 13:15.51 | massmc_ | how do I find out what wifi driver I need for my laptop.. ifconfid dont seem to work ? any help? |
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| 13:15.59 | abrotman | massmc_: what's the chipset? |
| 13:16.00 | massmc_ | ifconfig* |
| 13:16.15 | massmc_ | how do I find that out abrotman |
| 13:16.16 | IDnick | hello all !!! |
| 13:16.18 | DawnLight | massmc_: go lspci |
| 13:16.22 | _ZeuZ_ | massmc, ifconfig will not give that information |
| 13:16.23 | massmc_ | heya IDnick |
| 13:16.30 | IDnick | i need some help massmc |
| 13:16.43 | DawnLight | find the wireless card in lspci if it is a pci card |
| 13:16.49 | IDnick | am installing neostats and am getting some problems |
| 13:17.00 | linuxguy | abrotman, thanks for you helps yesterday with nvidai drivers.....but today......I screwed up because glx wasnt working......following another script I found messed up my xorg file so Ive had to reinstall debian r4.04 now its time for nvidai drivers......can you make dpkg put the nvidia one liner in please.....thanks |
| 13:17.06 | IDnick | cannot find cannot find -lperl |
| 13:17.17 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, so after all, you got it working xD |
| 13:17.32 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy about nvidia one-liner |
| 13:17.35 | massmc_ | abrotman, Intel pro/wireless 3945ABG |
| 13:17.43 | abrotman | !tell massmc_ about ipw3945 |
| 13:17.50 | _ZeuZ_ | dpkg wins! |
| 13:17.51 | dpkg | [wins] the Windows Internet Naming Service |
| 13:17.57 | IDnick | can someone help please ? |
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| 13:18.00 | _ZeuZ_ | erm, double lol |
| 13:18.18 | abrotman | IDnick: you'd need somethign like libperl |
| 13:18.44 | IDnick | abrotman can u help please ? |
| 13:18.47 | massmc_ | thanks again abrotman ;) will try that now |
| 13:18.54 | IDnick | on the server perl is installed abrotman |
| 13:19.02 | massmc_ | take care all |
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| 13:19.07 | abrotman | IDnick: aptitude install libperl-dev |
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| 13:19.41 | themill | massmc_: are you running etch or lenny? |
| 13:19.46 | IDnick | abrotman Reading task descriptions... Done |
| 13:19.56 | IDnick | thats it ? |
| 13:20.04 | abrotman | did it install it? |
| 13:20.08 | IDnick | yes it did |
| 13:20.15 | abrotman | so try whatever you were trying to do before |
| 13:20.18 | IDnick | Initializing package states... Done |
| 13:20.23 | IDnick | oki abrotman |
| 13:20.29 | IDnick | thanks i'll try it and be back |
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| 13:20.35 | massmc_ | themill, etch |
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| 13:20.57 | themill | massmc_: all good then. (just checking, the instructions that dpkg gave you only work for etch, not lenny) |
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| 13:21.40 | massmc_ | themill, thanks for that |
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| 13:24.14 | DawnLight | whats the command for making a beep? |
| 13:24.52 | arafangion | DawnLight, The command is something similar to "woof", iirc. |
| 13:24.52 | petemc | !beep |
| 13:24.52 | dpkg | from memory, beep is /exec -o echo -ne "\007". A generic application level transport, with multiple channels over TCP and a nice standard auth section + many other goodies, see www.beepcore.org for more info, or apt-get install beep, or a buggy xmms gtk2 port |
| 13:25.02 | jelly-home | DawnLight: echo -e '\a' |
| 13:25.19 | jelly-home | petemc: eww, \007 |
| 13:25.32 | petemc | not my factoid |
| 13:25.43 | petemc | !factinfo beep |
| 13:25.44 | dpkg | beep -- last modified at Fri Jan 7 01:59:22 2005 by directhex!~jms@shields.gotadsl.co.uk; it has been requested 146 times, last by petemc, 51s ago. |
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| 13:26.19 | jelly-home | dpkg, beep =~ s/"\007"/'\a'/ |
| 13:26.19 | dpkg | jelly-home: OK |
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| 13:30.14 | massmc_ | abrotman, themill , I installed the packages, rebooted but I have no wireless option in the network toolbar or anything.. Do I have something else to do before I see anything |
| 13:30.24 | frold | mail - how to see how many mails I have on the mail queue |
| 13:30.37 | abrotman | IDnick: please don't msg me |
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| 13:30.46 | themill | massmc_: do you see your wireless device in "iwconfig"? |
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| 13:31.58 | massmc_ | lo - no wireless | eth0 - no wireless | sit) - no wireless |
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| 13:33.19 | themill | massmc_: what happens when you: modprobe -r ipw3945 ; modprobe ipw3945 ; dmesg | tail -20 |
| 13:33.24 | IDnick | abrotman Installation complete. |
| 13:33.27 | IDnick | thanks dude |
| 13:33.49 | themill | massmc_: if this machine has wired internet access at present, then stick the output in a pastebin |
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| 13:35.52 | wols_ | massmc_: what kernel version? |
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| 13:36.31 | linuxguy | got a strange messsage now :( E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 |
| 13:36.31 | linuxguy | <linuxguy> ........have i missed something like an update or something before i type that in a s root? |
| 13:36.53 | themill | !k7 dropped |
| 13:36.53 | dpkg | somebody said k7 dropped was http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 Use the -686 kernel images instead. |
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| 13:37.15 | abrotman | themill: he's on etch |
| 13:37.20 | abrotman | linuxguy: did you add your contrib and non-free again ? |
| 13:37.59 | themill | abrotman: I know that... I think that was for wols |
| 13:38.06 | linuxguy | abrotman, ......thats it edit the sources file so it has non-free and the end.......lasst 2 lines i think? |
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| 13:38.24 | themill | abrotman: oh, you mean k7? nm.. |
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| 13:40.03 | segfault- | YEAHHHHHH |
| 13:40.12 | segfault- | debian etch installed on a cobalt raq4r |
| 13:40.17 | segfault- | running & booting |
| 13:40.17 | segfault- | :D |
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| 13:40.44 | massmc_ | themill, http://paste.lisp.org/display/64673 |
| 13:41.40 | themill | massmc_: did you install the firmware-ipw3945 package as dpkg instructed? |
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| 13:42.00 | themill | massmc_: check in the output of apt-cache policy firmware-ipw3945 (pastebin that too if you're unsure) |
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| 13:42.34 | massmc_ | themill, aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945 |
| 13:43.24 | twobitwork | what program do you all recommend for ripping CDs? CLI is fine... |
| 13:43.41 | twobitwork | segfault-: what is a cobalt raq4r? |
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| 13:44.17 | massmc_ | also what is this apic error on CPU0: 40 I always get at startup.. about 5-6 times when it boots |
| 13:44.29 | themill | massmc_: but do you have non-free repositories enabled? Just because you asked for something to be installed doesn't mean that it was found and then installed. What's the output of apt-cache policy firmware-ipw3945 |
| 13:44.46 | massmc_ | yea, I have all except sid up |
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| 13:45.00 | massmc_ | if I run sid with the etch repos I get buffer errors |
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| 13:46.20 | themill | massmc_: wtf have you done? Can you pastebin your sources.list and the output of apt-cache policy |
| 13:46.36 | themill | massmc_: also, what's the output of dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:46.36 | massmc_ | :/ |
| 13:46.50 | keith4 | massmc_: i have a machine that gives that apic error, too. never really seems to be a problem |
| 13:48.01 | twobitwork | hmm... I know this is techinically unsupported, but... I installed kde4 from experimental yesterday, and now when I try to install cdparanoia it wants to remove all of it... |
| 13:48.08 | segfault- | twobitwork, google my friend. |
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| 13:48.19 | segfault- | (to know what a cobalt is) |
| 13:48.25 | twobitwork | segfault-: yeah, I'm googling :) |
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| 13:48.41 | themill | twobitwork: ask the #debian-kde guys |
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| 13:49.57 | massmc_ | themill, ii zliblg - 1.2.3-13 - compression library runtime |
| 13:49.59 | fixUp | just wondering if there is a group for using tape/backup devices in debian by default ? |
| 13:50.15 | themill | massmc_: huh? |
| 13:50.22 | massmc_ | where do I find the sources list and apt-cache? |
| 13:50.26 | twobitwork | segfault-: so, it looks like it ships with linux... but I can't find anything about the hardware, every one's going on about the software stack |
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| 13:50.36 | twobitwork | themill: k |
| 13:50.39 | massmc_ | themill, thats the output you asked for |
| 13:50.46 | jelly-home | fixUp: grep tape /etc/group |
| 13:50.52 | segfault- | hmm stupid question |
| 13:50.59 | themill | massmc_: not quite: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:51.04 | segfault- | how i can catch in ls the symlinks presents in a directory ? |
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| 13:51.56 | themill | massmc_: but also the output of "apt-cache policy" and your sources.list would probably be good too. You're dangerously close to making a mixed and very broken system. |
| 13:52.25 | jelly-home | segfault-: don't use ls. find /some/dir -type l ... /msg dpkg using find |
| 13:52.34 | psycodad_ | segfault-: find /placeto/search -type l |
| 13:52.39 | psycodad_ | heh..sorry. |
| 13:52.48 | jelly-home | !win me |
| 13:52.48 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly-home! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 13:52.58 | jelly-home | yay, vacation time |
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| 13:53.36 | linuxguy | abrotman, should the lines look like this? deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 13:53.42 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:53.47 | segfault- | k |
| 13:54.04 | massmc_ | themill, can I IM you so I dont spamm the channel and look like a total newb? |
| 13:54.17 | segfault- | thanks :) |
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| 13:54.31 | jelly-home | massmc_: we don't mind newbishness |
| 13:54.48 | themill | massmc_: no, please keep it in the channel. I have to come and go with other things at work, so if you msg me and I'm gone, no-one will help you. Ask the channel and I'm gone, and someone else will help you. |
| 13:54.51 | massmc_ | ok.. :) *waves the newb flag* |
| 13:54.59 | linuxguy | abrotman, should i then log out and in again?..or do I dddo an update? |
| 13:55.05 | segfault- | massmc_, :) |
| 13:55.08 | abrotman | update |
| 13:55.12 | massmc_ | how do I find the apt cache policy? |
| 13:55.17 | segfault- | twobitwork, colbats are very old hardware |
| 13:55.44 | psycodad_ | segfault-: what was that, a cool-bat ? |
| 13:55.45 | psycodad_ | ;-) |
| 13:55.55 | macafe | I compress this script "http://pastebin.com/d5d04f5b7", how i can decompress it? |
| 13:56.04 | segfault- | psycodad_, too much cafeine :p |
| 13:56.06 | themill | macafe: literally run the command: apt-cache policy |
| 13:56.06 | linuxguy | abrotman, can you put the one liner in again please?...thanks |
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| 13:56.14 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy about nvidia one-liner |
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| 13:56.24 | segfault- | fsck, i'm so happy i've succedded |
| 13:56.30 | segfault- | i knew i could install it :D |
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| 13:57.15 | macafe | themill, i don't understand... |
| 13:57.25 | segfault- | the next step : make the cobalt do my coffee trough his lcd screen :D |
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| 13:57.53 | themill | macafe: go to a terminal window where you were typing the aptitude commands earlier and type: apt-cache policy |
| 13:58.05 | themill | err.... |
| 13:58.10 | themill | should be paying more attention |
| 13:58.24 | macafe | themill: http://pastebin.com/d56d1a395 |
| 13:58.38 | themill | macafe: that was for massmc_ not you... |
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| 13:58.58 | themill | bloody hell ... why can you lot all have unique first letter in your nicks. |
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| 13:59.14 | segfault- | themill, because. |
| 13:59.20 | munkyeetr | i have disabled gdm and now login from a terminal prompt; i have gnome and xfce installed. how do I specify which desktop i want to load when i run startx? is it an argument i pass to startx? |
| 13:59.24 | themill | massmc_: go to the terminal and run the command: apt-cache policy |
| 13:59.34 | Caelum | how do you escape & in sqlplus scripts? |
| 13:59.41 | Ace2016_- | Hi all |
| 13:59.41 | Caelum | err wrong channel, sorry |
| 14:00.18 | Ace2016_- | where can i get a font manager, one that can enable and disable fonts, i downloaded 7000 fonts and its very bad to install them all |
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| 14:01.22 | macafe | How I can decompression one tar file how was compressed using "tar -cf file.tar file.dump"? |
| 14:01.23 | themill | macafe: to make a bzip2 compressed tar, you can tar jcf myarchive.tar.bz2. To decompress it, you can: tar jxf myarchive.tar.bz2 |
| 14:01.30 | linuxguy | abrotman, thanks agian........I will see how things go after doggie walkies :) |
| 14:01.48 | twobitwork | Ace2016_-: why exactly is it very bad to install them? |
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| 14:01.53 | massmc_ | themill, http://paste.lisp.org/display/64674 |
| 14:02.02 | itreba| | I have a computer I'm trying to setup with an SiS 761GX/965L chipset, but when I try to detect a S-ATA harddrive, it can't locate one, nor can I find a driver suitable for it. What would be a good first step in fixing this? Any thoughts on the issue? |
| 14:02.02 | themill | macafe: in that tar command, c is for compress, x would be for expand or uncompress. |
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| 14:02.32 | petemc | itreba|: try an installer with a more up to date kernel |
| 14:02.37 | Pronco | hello, How can I copy such a large amount of files on the same server? |
| 14:02.53 | Ace2016_- | twobitwork: slows everything, especially when changing fonts since there is such a large list of files to scan and preview |
| 14:03.02 | itreba| | petemc: how would I go about doing that? I downloaded the installer 3 days ago, and its the Etch netinst installer |
| 14:03.07 | fireba11 | Pronco: cp got options for recursion if that is what you want |
| 14:03.13 | debCarlos | Hi all :D. just installed Debian lenny on my machine. I want to know something, how can i install my wireless card drivers? |
| 14:03.14 | Pronco | Where, bash: /bin/cp: Argument list too long |
| 14:03.40 | Pronco | fireba11, Is there a limit set somewhere or ? |
| 14:03.40 | petemc | !etchnahalf |
| 14:03.41 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
| 14:03.47 | petemc | itrebal: ^^^ |
| 14:03.57 | themill | massmc_: excellent. You had me worried when you mentioned sid earlier. Now you don't seem to have contrib and non-free in your sources anywhere. You need to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add the words contrib non-free after each place where it lists main. And you can put a # in front of the lines for the cdroms if you want. |
| 14:03.58 | itrebal | thanks a lot, petemc |
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| 14:04.25 | fireba11 | Pronco : explaining your case in a bit more detail would be helpful |
| 14:04.30 | themill | Pronco: yes, there's a built-in limit. Use find+xargs or a recursive copy instead. |
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| 14:05.46 | cr3rzemjest | hi, i've spilled tea on my keyboard, and it generates random letters by itself, its hard to type |
| 14:06.10 | fireba11 | haha |
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| 14:06.43 | GuySoft | hey, does anyone here know how to turn a repository that has no GPG key to an authenticated one? |
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| 14:09.49 | knusper | hi |
| 14:09.55 | debCarlos | !b43 |
| 14:09.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, b43 is the new driver for modern Broadcom 802.11g and 802.11a wireless chipsets (http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43), included since kernel 2.6.24. Use <b43-fwcutter> to extract version 4 firmware for this driver. USB devices are not supported. For a list of supported devices, see http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43/devices Legacy BCM43xx devices are supported by the <b43legacy> driver. See also <which b43>. |
| 14:09.55 | segfault- | GuySoft, import the gpg key |
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| 14:10.18 | PhorceP | I'm running lenny without X, however today apt wants me to install a bunch of new packages that are X-related such as xterm, x11-utils, xbitmaps, hicolor-icon-theme, etc. I'm thinking this may be related to one of these packages which is being upgraded, but not sure which: rub-common initscripts klibc-utils libklibc libselinux1 libsensors4 libssl0.9.8 lm-sensors mc openssl python-selinux python-sepolgen sysv-rc |
| 14:10.46 | knusper | why is the package pybliographer in stable and unstable but not in testing? |
| 14:11.03 | knusper | or am I stupid? |
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| 14:12.42 | themill | !why is pybliographer not in testing |
| 14:12.42 | dpkg | pybliographer is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=pybliographer |
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| 14:13.24 | knusper | ah |
| 14:13.27 | knusper | thx |
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| 14:13.59 | knusper | i am new to debian ... i come from opensuse |
| 14:14.07 | themill | knusper: I'll take a bet that it didn't work under python2.5 so it was removed to allow python2.5 and everything else depending on it to make it into lenny. |
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| 14:15.42 | themill | knusper: it will hopefully make it into lenny... but the developer took 9 months to package the new version for debian and as a result of that it *might* miss out. You'll find out in the next few weeks. |
| 14:15.48 | GuySoft | segfault-, do you have the commands written somewhere? i can only find googling how to add existing repositories . and not how to do it |
| 14:16.01 | knusper | http://pybliographer.org/Download#head-29896d84f90a099cc4bfd0f838a42291f3a144d9 |
| 14:16.31 | knusper | it just needs python >= 2.3 |
| 14:16.45 | knusper | uh... i really need this programm |
| 14:16.53 | knusper | not now... |
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| 14:17.14 | knusper | but I need it.... but otherwise |
| 14:17.14 | themill | knusper: you should be able to grab the version that is in sid and install it into lenny reasonably safely |
| 14:17.51 | knusper | yeah... one possibility... but I already saw, that there is similar software |
| 14:18.29 | themill | knusper: fwiw, I use jabref for reference management. but I use bibtex/latex not openoffice so it depends what you need |
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| 14:18.46 | knusper | yeah... i dont use openoffice |
| 14:19.05 | themill | !dbugs 477018 |
| 14:19.08 | dpkg | DONE:#477018:S[pybliographer] pybliographer: FTBFS: Unsatisfiable build-dependency: python-dev(inst 2.5.2-1 ! << wanted 2.5); Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:49:48 UTC |
| 14:19.23 | themill | knusper: ^^ that will have been the thing that got it removed from lenny |
| 14:19.23 | knusper | a yes |
| 14:19.29 | knusper | i see |
| 14:20.12 | knusper | i am even not really satisfied with pybibliographer |
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| 14:21.08 | LemensTS | how do i output the results of a linux command to a file? |
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| 14:21.16 | knusper | i will look at other software ... thx themill |
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| 14:22.01 | knusper | jabreff looks good :) |
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| 14:22.17 | hollywoodb | LemensTS: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/io-redirection.html |
| 14:22.44 | knusper | LemensTS: command > file |
| 14:23.33 | themill | knusper: no worries. Have fun with it. |
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| 14:30.59 | knusper | sorry... maybe one stupid question - to add the contrib repository (?) i just duplicate the lines in sources.list with the main repository and change main into contrib ? |
| 14:31.11 | cast | no |
| 14:31.19 | cast | deb http://ftp.wa.au.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib |
| 14:31.30 | cast | night all |
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| 14:32.44 | knusper | ah... i c |
| 14:32.59 | knusper | i write contrib at the end of the line |
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| 14:33.33 | lxsameer | all : hi , how can i know the speed of connection in wvdial? |
| 14:36.16 | themill | knusper: you probably want non-free as well as contrib though. |
| 14:36.41 | knusper | maybe... |
| 14:37.00 | knusper | for multimedia stuff i found debian-multimedia.org |
| 14:37.10 | JyZyXEL | what does it have? |
| 14:37.34 | knusper | JyZyXEL: acrobat reader, flash ... |
| 14:37.41 | knusper | atm i try gnash |
| 14:37.44 | knusper | :) |
| 14:37.46 | themill | knusper: sun java is in non-free |
| 14:37.50 | JyZyXEL | gimme the repo url |
| 14:38.01 | themill | dpkg: tell JyZyXEL about dmm |
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| 14:38.36 | knusper | ok |
| 14:38.41 | knusper | then i need it |
| 14:38.42 | knusper | :( |
| 14:39.14 | JyZyXEL | themill you know taht doesn't anserw my question |
| 14:39.36 | themill | JyZyXEL: I know that provides you with the way of answering your own question. |
| 14:39.56 | themill | JyZyXEL: It also gives you important information about why these packages are not in debian to begin with. |
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| 14:41.15 | JyZyXEL | lol |
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| 14:41.58 | knusper | themill: is it reasonable also to add contrib and non-free to the "update"-lines in sources.list? |
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| 14:42.38 | themill | knusper: it does no harm, but realise that the security team doesn't exactly go out of their way to provide security support for non-free software (which is often impossible to do). |
| 14:42.59 | knusper | of course ... |
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| 14:44.00 | mooper | Hi, Im using vmware server and I have a problem with it being swaped all the time, a) how do I tell if it is actually being swapped? ps -? and if it is can I prevent it from happening? |
| 14:44.11 | knusper | i think i could live without acrobat reader and flash... but java is essential |
| 14:44.24 | petemc | mooper: best way to prevent swapping is add more memory |
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| 14:44.49 | petemc | !am i swapping |
| 14:44.49 | dpkg | run "vmstat 3" and ignore the first 3 lines, if the "so" column is not 0s all the time you are swapping |
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| 14:48.40 | themill | knusper: acrobat is most unnecessary... kpdf, evince, xpdf are all better pdf readers for most things. |
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| 14:49.24 | rahul | I need acrobat to do my taxes |
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| 14:49.39 | rahul | unless xpdf started doing forms lately |
| 14:49.40 | knusper | mh... but e.g. the esa press releases seem sometimes to make use of some advanced acrobat only features |
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| 14:51.10 | jetscreamer | anybody know how to get the installer to use a linksys usb wireless? |
| 14:51.58 | ktwilight | what's that flag that enables apt-get to install Recommended packages too? |
| 14:52.07 | rahul | ktwilight: just use aptitude, ffs |
| 14:52.09 | themill | rahul: no, still no forms. But that's on the "being worked on list" for poppler and also the FSF's PDF project that will release a fantastic pdf reader/writer/form/juggler/coffee maker at about the same time as hurd is released. |
| 14:52.10 | ktwilight | needs to disable that |
| 14:52.13 | jetscreamer | aptitude --with-recommends ? |
| 14:52.22 | ktwilight | well, i need to disable it. |
| 14:52.33 | themill | !apt recommends |
| 14:52.33 | dpkg | well, apt recommends is since lenny apt-get installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want a minesweeper to be installed when you install backup software, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get -o "APT::Install-Recommends=no;" install package_name |
| 14:52.35 | jetscreamer | maybe --without not sure |
| 14:52.40 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:52.47 | ktwilight | doh! |
| 14:52.48 | ktwilight | wtf. |
| 14:52.51 | rahul | themill: lovely. |
| 14:53.01 | ktwilight | thanks themill |
| 14:53.34 | themill | np |
| 14:53.45 | wols_ | jetscreamer: you can't. and why would you? |
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| 14:54.06 | ktwilight | oh my, so now my lenny box is bloated with recommendations, i wonder how i can remove 'em. it seems apt-get autoremove wouldn't work... |
| 14:54.32 | jetscreamer | wols_: how about because there's no nic, bad cd burns, and windows me |
| 14:54.44 | wols_ | jetscreamer: hd-media install |
| 14:55.05 | wols_ | and cds are so cheap, burn another one |
| 14:55.10 | petemc | jetscreamer: theres been work done very recently on using wireless cards with the installer, check joey hess blog |
| 14:55.12 | jetscreamer | wols_: yeah... but i'm to dum to get it to work |
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| 14:55.52 | jetscreamer | petemc: k... but my bad burn was a weekly :/ i don't think it was a bad burn though |
| 14:55.53 | wols_ | petemc: how does he get around the DFSG? |
| 14:55.55 | ohno | jetscreamer, i just did a hd install last night and it went well, except i only downloaded the first cd and now i have the debian system up and running with no internet and seems to be a pain in the ass to get the proper drives going to do depencies |
| 14:56.06 | wols_ | jetscreamer: serves you right to try a lenny installer |
| 14:56.12 | petemc | wols_: by taking firmware from usb sticks or whatever |
| 14:56.27 | knusper | for example this file: http://www.rssd.esa.int/SA/GAIA/docs/flyers/Gaia_flyer_2007_en_opt.pdf is not readable in xpdf |
| 14:56.31 | jetscreamer | i have a dvd iso, also, but no dvd burner |
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| 14:57.06 | ohno | jetscreamer, yea just do a hd install with grub4dos |
| 14:57.19 | macafe | how I can download from one directory in ftp in shell? |
| 14:57.23 | jetscreamer | grub4dos... |
| 14:57.25 | knusper | uh |
| 14:57.27 | knusper | it is |
| 14:57.31 | leonardo | Hi all, i have this problem but on Debian lenny 64 http://tamastarjanyi.blogspot.com/2007/09/ubuntu-gutsy-64bit-wine-misses-ssl.html |
| 14:57.37 | leonardo | how to fix it? |
| 14:57.46 | petemc | macafe: use a ftp client that does recursive downloads, like ncftp |
| 14:58.05 | jetscreamer | wget takes wildcards in ftp mode |
| 14:58.17 | leonardo | like this too: http://bugs.winehq.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8212 |
| 14:58.32 | jetscreamer | is d/l'ing an etch image :/ |
| 14:58.54 | petemc | jetscreamer: the lenny installer has worked well for me] |
| 14:59.03 | jetscreamer | and investigating hdmedia/grub4dos at same time |
| 14:59.04 | Jester45 | why does hplip want to install qt? |
| 14:59.21 | Jester45 | its printer drivers it shouldnt need qt |
| 14:59.33 | epsilon | last time I tried the installation with dm_crypt was broken |
| 14:59.34 | jetscreamer | petemc: i tried a nightly full image so far... no joy |
| 14:59.40 | jetscreamer | err weekly |
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| 15:00.45 | jetscreamer | d/l'd and burned the weekly in windows AND linux... bad cd, and not the disc |
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| 15:01.07 | sladi | Jester45: the frontend uses qt |
| 15:01.14 | Jester45 | did you check the md5 |
| 15:01.23 | zxxd | is it possible to have multiplie Section "ServerLayout" sections , and thus have it auto select one which fits the hardware? |
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| 15:01.37 | Jester45 | sladi, i did what dpkg aid about recommened packages and that helped |
| 15:01.58 | jetscreamer | you can have many, iirc, but not sure about the autoselecting |
| 15:02.03 | jetscreamer | might be more of a #xorg question though |
| 15:02.31 | sladi | Jester45: I'm not sure what you mean but hplip has a forntend and I think you can use everything via command line too. ^^ |
| 15:02.33 | twobitwork | leonardo: are you sure you are running debian and not ubuntu? |
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| 15:02.49 | leonardo | hehe yes |
| 15:02.54 | leonardo | debian lenny 64 |
| 15:03.12 | twobitwork | have you checked the bts? |
| 15:03.14 | leonardo | when i try to connect on msn by Miranda IM using wine |
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| 15:03.22 | leonardo | ehat is bts? |
| 15:03.26 | leonardo | what is bts? |
| 15:03.28 | Jester45 | sladi, when installing hplip apt also wants to get hplip-gui, and that brings in qt witch i dont want |
| 15:03.30 | twobitwork | !tell leonardo -about bts |
| 15:03.40 | stew | zxxd: it is possible to have multiple ServerLayout sections. i don't know about having them automatically selected though |
| 15:03.46 | stew | zxxd: what version of debian are you running? |
| 15:03.56 | leonardo | i didn't check |
| 15:04.08 | sladi | Jester45: OK, I see. :) |
| 15:04.40 | zxxd | stew, etch |
| 15:04.40 | jetscreamer | might need some script for that detecting.. sounds doable |
| 15:04.56 | lxsameer1 | how can i find with witch speed i connect to internet? |
| 15:05.13 | jetscreamer | lxsameer: google bandwidth meter |
| 15:05.13 | _ZeuZ_ | lxsameer, try some online tester like speedtest.net |
| 15:05.23 | Jester45 | lxsameer, google speedtest |
| 15:05.33 | stew | zxxd: well if you ahve multiple, you can manually select which you use with "startx -- -layout layoutname" |
| 15:05.43 | jetscreamer | ooo ahh |
| 15:05.47 | Jester45 | or download a file from some server and hope thats your max |
| 15:05.48 | Bogus8 | I've got some files that are taking up more space than they should... if I do a du -hs on a dir it tells me it's 24gigs but if I try to rsync the data or check the properties on windows via a samba share it says 35gigs |
| 15:05.56 | zxxd | stew, i need it to auto try the next one in case the first fails |
| 15:06.05 | Bogus8 | what gives and how can I find all the files that are at fault? |
| 15:06.10 | jetscreamer | script |
| 15:06.11 | leonardo | twobitwork: i don't know how to search on debian bugzilla |
| 15:06.27 | jetscreamer | leonardo: find out how, it's not hard |
| 15:06.35 | stew | debian bugzilla? |
| 15:06.36 | Jester45 | Bogus8, its a sparse file i bet |
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| 15:06.38 | jetscreamer | in a webbrowser at least |
| 15:06.49 | jetscreamer | bts |
| 15:06.54 | Bogus8 | Jester45: I've tried rsync with - |
| 15:06.56 | themill | leonardo: you can just use google: site:bugs.debian.org search terms |
| 15:07.00 | Bogus8 | Jester45: I've tried rsync with -S and it was no different |
| 15:07.10 | leonardo | ok |
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| 15:07.57 | Jester45 | Bogus8, well linux file systems are more efficient then |
| 15:07.57 | stew | leonardo: if you mean the debian bts (which doesn't have anything to do with bugzilla), you can go to "http://bugs.debian.org" and you'll be presented with a search form, or "http://bugs.debian.org/packagename" will bring you right to the list of bugs for a particular package |
| 15:08.11 | jetscreamer | i put site: last, does it matter? |
| 15:08.20 | Bogus8 | Jester45: ? |
| 15:08.38 | zxxd | stew, do you understand this http://www.xfree.org/current/DESIGN2.html |
| 15:08.51 | jetscreamer | xfree!=xorg though |
| 15:08.58 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 15:08.59 | zxxd | what do they mean by "creen location" |
| 15:09.02 | zxxd | yes i know |
| 15:09.09 | zxxd | but has some similar config options |
| 15:10.14 | stew | zxxd: you can read "man xorg.conf" for a more up to date version of this document |
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| 15:10.48 | Jester45 | Bogus8, more efficient then window's |
| 15:10.50 | stew | zxxd: by 'screen location' they are talking about describing the location of the screens on a large virtual desktop when you have a multi-headed display |
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| 15:11.52 | jetscreamer | i have an hour to learn about hdmedia before the etch d/l is done \o/ |
| 15:11.54 | jetscreamer | or :/ |
| 15:12.08 | Bogus8 | Jester45: not sure I'm following you... rsync sees the same size that windows pulls and I know it's taking up more... also using ls -sl shows a difference from that front colum to the regular size collum |
| 15:12.15 | jetscreamer | needs a faster mirror |
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| 15:12.21 | stew | Bogus8: du is reporting disk usage, not file size. on a standard ext3 system, a 1 byte file takes up 4k on disk, becuase the minimum amount of space a file can occupy is 1 block and by default, 4k blocks are used |
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| 15:12.46 | Bogus8 | stew: I'm talking about GROSS overages |
| 15:13.04 | stew | Bogus8: do you have lots of small (< 4k) files? |
| 15:13.18 | Bogus8 | stew: what is happening is when I try to rsync over 370gigs it wont' fit on my destination system with a 463gig partition |
| 15:14.03 | Bogus8 | stew: not THAT many... I had found 2 larger .mpg files that were at least twice as large and it was 400mb files |
| 15:14.15 | Bogus8 | so it's not just small files |
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| 15:15.04 | stew | Bogus8: wait, you mean that actual file sizes are changing? |
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| 15:15.51 | zxxd | stew, so it wont work if i put multiplie screen in there with some of the hardware missing |
| 15:16.02 | Bogus8 | stew: umm, not sure of your verbage... problem is I can't move them from one system to the other... when I move them they take on the larger size that they aren't taking up on the source system (it has a smaller partition holding all this data) |
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| 15:16.52 | jetscreamer | zxxd: you can put as many layouts as you want |
| 15:16.58 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 15:17.08 | jetscreamer | zxxd: xorg used autodetect a lot now |
| 15:17.11 | jetscreamer | uses |
| 15:17.24 | jetscreamer | my latest stock xorg.conf wa sempty |
| 15:17.24 | stew | zxxd: in general no, you can't leave stuff out in etch. (in more recent versions, like the version in lenny, you can) |
| 15:17.33 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 15:17.44 | pickcoder | Bogus8: are you pulling from NTFS? |
| 15:17.46 | stew | zxxd: jetscreamer is talking about lenny/sid, which doens't apply to you |
| 15:17.53 | jetscreamer | yeh |
| 15:17.57 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: no sir, this is ext3 to ext3 |
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| 15:18.08 | pickcoder | Bogus8: same block sizes? |
| 15:18.18 | stew | Bogus8: so you copy a large file from one filesystem to another, and the files takes up much more space? |
| 15:18.18 | zxxd | stew, the detection is done entirely by newer X ? or customized debian scripts? |
| 15:18.24 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: it's etchy to Hardy (ubuntu) I didn't specify so I assume |
| 15:18.29 | Jester45 | Bogus8, it was a joke, linux file systems magically making the data smaller than windows can |
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| 15:18.52 | yareckon_ | hi guys, how can I use the debian installer partition guy without actually installing debian? I need the partitioner to fix a I'm a little afraid to start through |
| 15:18.55 | ohno | petemc, do you have a link to that joes hess blog you were talking about? i briefly googled his name (looking for the info about installing via wireless connection) |
| 15:19.07 | Bogus8 | stew: that is what was happening with the .mpg's... I didn't "need" them so I trashed them... but still have other dirs doing similar and they have a lot more files so it's harder to track down |
| 15:19.18 | Jester45 | yareckon_, yep just partition how you want then quit the install |
| 15:19.22 | stew | zxxd: its by the x server itself. the new code to do this was done by a debian develeoper, i don't know how much of it was committed upstream, but I'd guess it was |
| 15:19.39 | yareckon_ | thanks Jester45, so it doesn't write until the last step? |
| 15:19.43 | stew | Bogus8: what are the two filesystems in question? and how are you copying the files? |
| 15:19.49 | stew | Bogus8: this should not be happening? |
| 15:19.54 | Bogus8 | Jester45: gotcha... windows really isn't involved... it was just a second...err 3rd/4th way for me to look at the data and verify how much it "THINKS" is there |
| 15:19.55 | stew | err s/\?// |
| 15:20.04 | jetscreamer | yareckon_: there's a manual partitioning thing with cfdisk that you can load via the load modules from cd |
| 15:20.05 | pickcoder | all I can think of is a different in block size |
| 15:20.08 | stew | Bogus8: check the md5sums of the two files |
| 15:20.15 | yareckon_ | I guess it makes sense as there would be nowhere to write to huh? |
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| 15:20.22 | jetscreamer | in the installer |
| 15:20.49 | stew | pickcoder: different block size should only be able to account for a difference as large as the larger of the two block sizes though, he's talking about a much larger difference than that |
| 15:20.51 | yareckon_ | I just don't want it messing up current OS files while I'm firing up the partitioner to work on another disk |
| 15:20.54 | yareckon_ | thanks for the info |
| 15:20.58 | Jester45 | yareckon_, you set the partition scheme then it will format then before it starts installing packages you quit/cancel or maybe just reboot but i would try to cancel the install so the harddrive can be unmounted |
| 15:21.09 | Bogus8 | stew: it's a 4 drive raid 5 (160gigs each) on debian ext3 going to a 3 drive raid 5 (250gigs each) on ubuntu ext3 via rsync ... though I even used cp -a via an NFS for that .mpg file and the problem persisted |
| 15:21.13 | yareckon_ | thanks |
| 15:21.15 | pickcoder | stew: then rsync may be broken |
| 15:21.26 | pickcoder | (on Ubuntu??) |
| 15:21.34 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: see above... cp did the same thing :( |
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| 15:22.10 | stew | Bogus8: check the md5sum before and after copying |
| 15:22.28 | roe_ | how can I gather information oabout the speed of the memory installed in my system? |
| 15:22.35 | zxxd | stew, so i am surprised debian are relasing a new ver so soon ! , already frozen |
| 15:22.37 | jetscreamer | yareckon_: nah even the other one (it has a manual setting also) doesn't mess with your disks unless you tell it to |
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| 15:22.44 | Jester45 | Bogus8, is you first raid compressed or something? |
| 15:22.46 | cahoot | roe_: try decode-dimms |
| 15:22.49 | Bogus8 | stew: md5sum on that file? I've trashed it since... and I'm trying to find other offending files... but they must be burried somewhere :( |
| 15:22.49 | zxxd | not the usual 20 years await between releases |
| 15:23.06 | pickcoder | Bogus8: create a file and move it |
| 15:23.07 | jetscreamer | not sure about in automatic mode, but not inthe manual |
| 15:23.11 | Bogus8 | Jester45: no, straight software raid, no compression on the system or anything |
| 15:23.22 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: not all files are exhibiting the problem |
| 15:23.30 | Bogus8 | whole dirs are just fine... but some aren't |
| 15:23.30 | stew | the fact that it is raid, and whether or not it is compressed doesn't matter here |
| 15:23.33 | yareckon_ | Jester45, jetscreamer, you kids are great, no matter what they say about you :D |
| 15:23.49 | jetscreamer | been talking to abrotman have you :) |
| 15:23.55 | Jester45 | roe_, try hwinfo package |
| 15:23.57 | stew | Bogus8: please find a file that is exhibiting the problem, show us "ls -l" for the source and the target and the md5s of each |
| 15:24.25 | Bogus8 | stew: I am desperately trying to find them... ls -lsR is tough to sort through |
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| 15:24.31 | pickcoder | I've seen that happen once and it was a corrupted FS due to faulty HW |
| 15:24.50 | Bogus8 | wishes he wouldn't have trashed those two files now |
| 15:24.51 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.57 | stew | Bogus8: du -k is easier to sort |
| 15:25.06 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 15:25.08 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: I've looked through logs for hw errors and found none :( |
| 15:25.10 | Jester45 | roe_, it will display a lot of info like what type of memory is in what bank, it wont preform a benchmark but if you get ddr-400 you should be able to figure out the speeds from there |
| 15:25.10 | zxxd | what's the release cycle for debian ? |
| 15:25.31 | jetscreamer | doesn't have one afaict |
| 15:25.33 | Jester45 | zxxd, when its done its done |
| 15:25.40 | zxxd | lol |
| 15:25.52 | zxxd | that dosen't make sense |
| 15:25.56 | stew | zxxd: what do you mean? debian doesn't have a set cycle. it sets some goals, when they are getting close to all being satisfied, it freezes, and then it releases when there are no RC bugs |
| 15:25.57 | Bogus8 | stew: but that doesn't show me where the sizes are different... the -s in of ls is showing me a different size (first colum to 6th) |
| 15:25.58 | Jester45 | yea it does |
| 15:25.59 | themill | dpkg: tell zxxd about wwlr |
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| 15:26.14 | jetscreamer | thought it was wir |
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| 15:26.28 | zxxd | stew, so there were no bugs reported for lenny in quite some time? |
| 15:26.28 | itrebal | petemc: you still around? |
| 15:26.38 | jetscreamer | plenty probably |
| 15:26.44 | stew | zxxd: bugs are and have been reported constantly for lenny |
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| 15:27.06 | Jester45 | zxxd, this why they dont have problems like not getting feature XYZ done or having to put out a release that isnt quite ready (newest ubuntu?) |
| 15:27.10 | jetscreamer | they're just not letting anymore in |
| 15:27.40 | stew | zxxd: its near impossible to get the bug cound down significantly low until the release is frozen, since transitions from unstable are constantly increasing the bug count |
| 15:27.45 | pickcoder | etch-n-half was released not too long ago too |
| 15:28.00 | pickcoder | that probably wasn't a 10-minute job |
| 15:28.05 | Jester45 | or gentoo's 2008.0 release wouldnt copy the kernel correctly... quite a bad bug for a release |
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| 15:28.16 | zxxd | why didn't they include xfce stable to the etch-N-Half? |
| 15:28.31 | zxxd | xfce Beta is in etch |
| 15:28.42 | pickcoder | Jester45: Sarge->Etch was broken at first too.. the meta package was busted, but it was fixed rather quickly |
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| 15:28.58 | pickcoder | but not before I ruined several machines |
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| 15:29.04 | Jester45 | well i skipped over sarge |
| 15:29.04 | stew | zxxd: etch-n-half was targetting on supporting newer hardware, not just for getting random newer versions of software into etch |
| 15:29.07 | roe_ | hwinfo --memory does not return a speed just a unique ID, class, model,range,size and config status |
| 15:29.21 | zxxd | xfce release candidate! |
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| 15:29.26 | zxxd | :p |
| 15:29.30 | Jester45 | roe_, does it tell you ddr-400 or something simular |
| 15:29.41 | zxxd | in etch*stable* |
| 15:29.51 | roe_ | Jester45, nope |
| 15:29.57 | pickcoder | zxxd: nothing in backports for it? |
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| 15:30.38 | Jester45 | zxxd, but is frozen they cant change it now... or else its not frozen. backports may have it but the main repo wont |
| 15:30.46 | roe_ | http://www.pastebin.ca/1092580 |
| 15:31.15 | cahoot | roe_: decode-dimms will tell more |
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| 15:31.28 | roe_ | cahoot, I can't find that command, I have dmidecode |
| 15:31.30 | Jester45 | zxxd, just because its the stable version doesnt mean it contains all stable software. |
| 15:31.38 | roe_ | which also doesn't tell me |
| 15:31.43 | cahoot | roe_: i2c-tools or such |
| 15:31.50 | wols_ | roe_: decode-dimms from i2c-tools |
| 15:32.14 | wols_ | roe_: what chipset and cpu do you have? |
| 15:32.21 | roe_ | athlon xp |
| 15:32.25 | Jester45 | roe_, o well i guess your system isnt that informative because my system tells me what speed each stick is and what bank its in |
| 15:32.27 | wols_ | and what chipset? |
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| 15:33.05 | roe_ | just-in-time package management can be frustrating at times |
| 15:33.08 | wols_ | roe_: cpu only narrows it down to DDR-RAM or SDRAM |
| 15:33.16 | wols_ | so what chipset? |
| 15:33.31 | stew | zxxd: etch shipped with the latest version of xfce that was availabe at the time of the etch freeze. are you saying it should have shipped with 4.2 instead? |
| 15:33.32 | roe_ | I don't know, I have to run lspci, but don't have that installed atm |
| 15:33.56 | wols_ | cause even if decode-dimms tells you what you have that doesn't mean you should buy that |
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| 15:35.10 | pickcoder | decode-dimms |
| 15:35.12 | pickcoder | neat |
| 15:35.14 | pickcoder | checks it out |
| 15:35.17 | jetscreamer | so if i have a grub floppy all i have to do is point grub at the hdmedia stuff |
| 15:35.20 | jetscreamer | ? |
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| 15:35.39 | liable | yep |
| 15:35.52 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 15:36.09 | pickcoder | hrm.. not available on amd64 |
| 15:36.36 | roe_ | wols_, is this what you are looking for: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8377 |
| 15:36.44 | pickcoder | ah.. it's part of lm-sensors |
| 15:37.04 | abrotman | jetscreamer: ? |
| 15:37.48 | pickcoder | wols_: where did you get i2c-tools from? |
| 15:38.01 | jetscreamer | abrotman: nothing bad |
| 15:38.04 | jetscreamer | just a joike |
| 15:38.10 | abrotman | i like joikes |
| 15:38.10 | jetscreamer | not on you, either |
| 15:38.32 | abrotman | <jerseyaccent>joikes</jerseyaccent> |
| 15:38.33 | jetscreamer | somebody said to me 'you're ok i don't care what they say' |
| 15:38.40 | abrotman | ok |
| 15:38.42 | jetscreamer | i picked you to be they |
| 15:38.58 | bigfoot- | is there a way to prevent apt-get from automatically starting a service I just installed? |
| 15:39.05 | Bogus8 | stew: I found a SMALL example... it's a 1.6mb file that rsync and windows thinks is 1.99mb |
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| 15:39.33 | Bogus8 | sadly that is a small ammount of misplaced data of my near 100gigs of crazyness |
| 15:39.43 | wols_ | pickcoder: lenny or sid IIRC |
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| 15:39.53 | Jester45 | Bogus8, run md5sum on the files before and after you transfer |
| 15:40.00 | Bogus8 | doing so now |
| 15:40.03 | stew | dpkg: 1.6 * 1024 * 1024 / (1000 * 1000) |
| 15:40.03 | dpkg | 1.6777216 |
| 15:40.04 | wols_ | pickcoder: exists on amd64 |
| 15:40.07 | stew | hrm |
| 15:40.29 | Bogus8 | stew: yeah, I did that math already... it's one of the problem files |
| 15:41.10 | pickcoder | wols_: I run etch and have bpo added but I can't find it |
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| 15:41.22 | pickcoder | doesn't matter.. don't have time to play with it anyway |
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| 15:41.40 | khaleel5000 | hello, i am doing some trouble shooting, can anyone recommend me a good player (except kaffeine ) for playing dvds ,avi or mpgg files (i am having trouble with kaffeine, so just to 'test' i wanna install another programme) |
| 15:41.49 | roe_ | mplayer? |
| 15:41.52 | Bogus8 | stew: oddly the md5 stayed the same but the size grew from 1.6mb to 2.1mb! (via du -hs) |
| 15:43.21 | stew | Bogus8: how are you getting the size? |
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| 15:43.28 | Bogus8 | stew: du -hs |
| 15:43.29 | abrotman | khaleel5000: vlc ? |
| 15:43.30 | pickcoder | Bogus8: don't use du |
| 15:43.53 | stew | Bogus8: how are you getting the size in windows? |
| 15:43.57 | Bogus8 | stew, pickcoder but I'm using it on both systems... shouldn't they line up? or at least be CLOSE on a single file? |
| 15:44.20 | pickcoder | Bogus8: Ubuntu != Debian |
| 15:44.32 | Bogus8 | stew: right click properties (keep in mind this was only my 3rd or 4th way to verify I was getting odd size things and such |
| 15:44.32 | themill | Bogus8: that depends on the filesystem options (both fs mount and fs creation options) |
| 15:44.40 | pickcoder | if they were both the same Etch setups I'd agree |
| 15:44.59 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: that would work BUT i just rsync'd to itself (diff partition) and I got the same results |
| 15:45.15 | pickcoder | Bogus8: which kernel |
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| 15:45.26 | Bogus8 | themill: see above... all fs were created using standard mkfs.ext3 |
| 15:45.29 | stew | Bogus8: and the windows machine has this file locally? or windows is mounting an nfs share or what? |
| 15:45.46 | wols_ | pickcoder: bpo is not lenny |
| 15:45.47 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: ok, thanks i will install and check. |
| 15:45.47 | stew | i don't know why i'm goign to try to guess at how windows calculates file sizes |
| 15:45.55 | pickcoder | wols_: exactly |
| 15:45.58 | themill | Bogus8: note the --apparent-size option for du |
| 15:46.04 | Bogus8 | stew: files are all on ext3... I'm just samba'ing in to verify with windows (windows is not at all my problem, just another way to look at it) |
| 15:46.05 | pickcoder | so it's not available |
| 15:46.09 | pickcoder | (to me) |
| 15:46.09 | abrotman | khaleel5000: you could also try the totem-gstreamer .. IIRC kaffiene uses xine as a backend |
| 15:46.17 | wols_ | pickcoder: the decode-dimm.pl is a perl script btw |
| 15:46.21 | stew | Bogus8: i don't think it is a remotely valid way to look at it |
| 15:46.29 | pickcoder | wols_: and it's part of lm-sensors |
| 15:46.31 | jetscreamer | ok last question (for now) i think: for hd-media install, the files (vmlinuz, initrd.gz and boot.img.gz) can be on vfat? |
| 15:46.36 | pickcoder | requires EEPROM to be loaded |
| 15:46.51 | jetscreamer | works on ntfs |
| 15:46.52 | roe_ | after installing i2c-tools I dont' seem to have dimm* |
| 15:47.00 | Bogus8 | stew: well, if I have 3 different methods of looking at the files all confirming that something is wrong then that says something |
| 15:47.20 | stew | Bogus8: what makes you say that something is wrong? |
| 15:47.29 | stew | Bogus8: md5sum is telling you that nothing is wrong |
| 15:47.32 | wols_ | roe_: of course not |
| 15:47.37 | Bogus8 | pickcoder: themill stew : I just rsync'd that same file to itself... didn't even leave the partition and I have the same oddity... it grew in size |
| 15:47.48 | stew | Bogus8: no it didn't, it grew in disk usage |
| 15:47.55 | stew | Bogus8: note that du doesn't report file sizes |
| 15:47.57 | Bogus8 | stew: 370gigs of data won't fit on a 460 gig partition? That seems wrong don't you think? |
| 15:48.01 | roe_ | wols_, ? |
| 15:48.04 | stew | Bogus8: not necessarily |
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| 15:48.28 | Bogus8 | stew: it is currently residing on a 441gig partition but won't fit on a 463gig partition |
| 15:48.29 | wols_ | roe_: no one told you there is a file which fits "dimm*" |
| 15:48.35 | stew | Bogus8: what is the block size of the two partitions? |
| 15:48.55 | roe_ | doesn't dimm-decode |
| 15:48.58 | Bogus8 | stew: how can I check... I created them with default options but I'd like to verify to make sure |
| 15:49.13 | wols_ | roe_: what debian version? |
| 15:49.17 | roe_ | lenny |
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| 15:50.17 | wols_ | roe_: no one said anything about ANYTHING beginning with "dimm" |
| 15:50.17 | debCarlos | Bogus8: hi :) |
| 15:50.29 | Bogus8 | Carlos, my man... how's it going |
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| 15:50.41 | Bogus8 | catch any good tornado's yet? |
| 15:50.57 | debCarlos | Bogus8: lol, no |
| 15:51.15 | stew | Bogus8: tune2fs -l /dev/whatever |
| 15:51.24 | Bogus8 | stew: fdisk -l both return similar cyclindar info for the partition |
| 15:52.04 | debCarlos | Bogus8: Are the spammers still active? |
| 15:52.14 | Bogus8 | stew: same block size on both systems |
| 15:52.24 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: haven't seen them yet today |
| 15:52.42 | Bogus8 | the value of your collection is increasing ;) |
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| 15:53.01 | debCarlos | lol |
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| 15:53.12 | jetscreamer | !wb dererk |
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| 15:53.21 | khaleel5000 | Hello, I have lenny beta2, I updated my system (it was lenny beta2 before, but via synaptic, i updated all the files that were 'updatable' now Kaffeine doesnot show any video , when I play video files, I installed vlc , when i run a video file in vlc, it simply closes without displaying any error |
| 15:53.30 | jetscreamer | hope it's the same derek |
| 15:53.37 | roe_ | wols_, you are right I transposed it |
| 15:53.43 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: are you located in Venezuela? |
| 15:54.02 | debCarlos | Bogus8: yep, how did you know? |
| 15:54.22 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: your half-hour TZ made us look at your host name last night |
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| 15:55.21 | abrotman | khaleel5000: you could also try mplayer |
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| 15:56.19 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: I was trying to trouble shoot as in if some kde-related issue exists, but since VLC quits without any error, i would prefer resolving the issue since I like kaffeine. |
| 15:57.53 | jetscreamer | ooo hd-media working |
| 15:57.59 | jetscreamer | so far |
| 15:58.08 | PlayMobil | jetscreamer: hey! |
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| 15:58.13 | jetscreamer | hay |
| 15:58.19 | samantha-b- | where is the exim queue kept? |
| 15:58.22 | stew | Bogus8: show us the output of 'stat' and 'du' for the files on the two different filesystems |
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| 15:58.50 | Bogus8 | stew: well, I actually have the situation on the same file system now that I rsync'd the file onto the same partion it exhibited the same behavior |
| 15:59.13 | stew | Bogus8: show me |
| 15:59.21 | helo | if a 3rd party kernel module install script expects modprobe.conf to exist, is there some other file i can link to /etc/modprobe.conf to get the same functionality? |
| 15:59.25 | Bogus8 | stew: will do |
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| 16:00.16 | jetscreamer | crap... it can scan for .iso and find it but it can't mount the same partition? |
| 16:00.19 | debCarlos | Bogus8: oh, ok...how can i check the hostname of another person? |
| 16:00.38 | Bogus8 | stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/1092608 |
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| 16:01.01 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: umm, for me it pops up with they join or part... I think you can use /who on them also though or /whois |
| 16:01.02 | liable | jetscreamer: there was a problem with iso codes a while back. check the d-i errata wiki page |
| 16:01.28 | abrotman | khaleel5000: make sure yu're checking with more than one file/dvd |
| 16:01.46 | debCarlos | Bogus8: ok, i can see the when they join too, didn't know the /who thing.. |
| 16:02.00 | helo | can i link /etc/modprobe.d/3rdpartymod to /etc/modprobe.conf to let the install script write its stuff to it? |
| 16:02.06 | jetscreamer | ahh... no it's a partition that the .iso is in that it can't mount... i 'think' the problem is that, and if i mount it on /target with --bind ... |
| 16:02.32 | dvs | helo: /etc/modprobe.conf is no longer used |
| 16:02.37 | Ace2016_- | screw it, lets see what happens in linux if i install all 7000 fonts |
| 16:02.43 | liable | i meant iso page codes |
| 16:02.55 | jetscreamer | it found the .iso np |
| 16:02.56 | mooper | msg dpkg pping |
| 16:02.57 | liable | or whatever those things are |
| 16:03.07 | liable | like 850 and stuff |
| 16:03.18 | jetscreamer | it's a fat partition, not even vfat :/ |
| 16:03.26 | stew | Bogus8: so the files are the same size, the question is just why one is using more filesystem blocks |
| 16:03.31 | jetscreamer | i mean the windows me one |
| 16:03.40 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: yes more than one file,format,media,and also tried those which i just saw before the update |
| 16:03.44 | liable | yep, fat gave me a hard time, look on vt4 for what it says |
| 16:03.46 | stew | Bogus8: du is just taking the number of 1k filesystem blocks and reporting it as 512 byte blocks |
| 16:03.46 | jetscreamer | i have the .iso on ext3, and intend to install to the same e3xt3 |
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| 16:04.24 | liable | jetscreamer: give it -t ext3 if you havent already. that worked for me a little while back |
| 16:04.28 | twobitwork | is there a way to run 2 xservers on different vterms? |
| 16:04.29 | Bogus8 | stew: I guess... my main problem is that when I move them they then take up more space... so yes, I guess I'm following you... it's been a long road tracking this down :) |
| 16:04.51 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: i installed mplayer, it runs videos .and audio |
| 16:05.28 | khaleel5000 | flawlessly |
| 16:05.38 | sladi | twobitwork: I think you mean 'startx :1' ? |
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| 16:06.39 | jetscreamer | gdsonghfdoisdah98fsad9 |
| 16:06.56 | jetscreamer | the partitioner is borking me out |
| 16:07.02 | jetscreamer | 'gee i can't mount it' |
| 16:07.07 | jetscreamer | jdfhfjskahfdsa |
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| 16:08.19 | sladi | khaleel5000: you can look what output mplayer uses with mplayer -v |
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| 16:10.12 | khaleel5000 | sladi: when I ran mplayer from CLI, it showed no video,only audio, and this was on the screen (i ddint use -v option) X11 error: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)0.9% 17 0 |
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| 16:10.37 | khaleel5000 | when I ran vlc from CLI, it show X Error of failed request: BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation) Major opcode of failed request: 140 (XVideo) Minor opcode of failed request: 19 () Serial number of failed request: 84 Current serial number in output stream: 85 |
| 16:10.42 | khaleel5000 | Segmentation fault |
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| 16:13.08 | khaleel5000 | mplayer -v also showed similar insufficent resource error |
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| 16:14.47 | Bogus8 | stew: I just tried scp for the hell of it and got the same results :( |
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| 16:15.30 | Trewas | khaleel5000: that's quite common problem with xvideo and larger resolutions... my laptop with some intel chip required some magic to xorg.conf to be able to play HD videos |
| 16:15.35 | stew | Bogus8: i'd guess that your filesystems have internal fragmentation, which is causing a lost of efficiency |
| 16:15.48 | stew | ^lost^loss |
| 16:16.06 | Bogus8 | stew: the source? why wouldn't that be fixed when I move it? |
| 16:17.18 | stew | Bogus8: how would moving the file decrease fragmentation? |
| 16:17.23 | jetscreamer | what a pos |
| 16:17.28 | jetscreamer | die winme die |
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| 16:18.08 | jetscreamer | i must need ANOTHER hd |
| 16:18.33 | Bogus8 | stew: well, wouldn't the file then be rewritten and there for put back in it's place... and if it's fragged then why doesn't it take up more space currently where it resides? |
| 16:18.42 | jetscreamer | ahh PlayMobil is dererk |
| 16:19.15 | Jester45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:19.30 | stew | Bogus8: i don't know what you mean when you say "rewritten and there for put back in it's place". the reason it doesn't take up more space where it resides now is that it is not fragmented or less fragmented where it resides now |
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| 16:19.58 | Bogus8 | stew: then why would it get fragmented more when moved to a fresh new system? |
| 16:20.06 | Jester45 | thats the point of having file systems is so that you can interact with the files not the pure bytes |
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| 16:20.48 | stew | less fragmented, its obviously not being stored efficiently now, since its taking up much more more than size / 1k blocks now |
| 16:20.52 | Bogus8 | Jester45: yeah, that's what I meant by rewritten... it would just pull the data and "restack" it back on the new system in perfect order |
| 16:21.24 | stew | Bogus8: try moving it to a fresh filesystem with 4k block instead of 1k blocks and I'll bet it gets even smaller on disk |
| 16:21.59 | Jester45 | stew it doesnt matter if a file is in 1 billion fragments. the filesystem might be filled but the data when reading the file will be the same |
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| 16:22.10 | Bogus8 | stew: I do have 4k blocks |
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| 16:22.25 | stew | Bogus8: what makes you say that? |
| 16:22.40 | backdraft | What is the package name to install sshd via apt-get install? |
| 16:22.43 | Bogus8 | stew: Block size: 4096 |
| 16:23.04 | stew | Bogus8: that's different |
| 16:23.12 | Jester45 | backdraft, openssh-server |
| 16:23.13 | dvs | backdraft: ssh |
| 16:23.13 | stew | Jester45: yes, i know, he's not seing a change in the bytes (the md5sums match) he's just seeing an increasin in the number of filesystem blocks being used when copying the file |
| 16:23.29 | stew | Bogus8: wait, where did you see that block size? |
| 16:23.48 | stew | Bogus8: there are many different things that block size could mean. it could me io block size, it could mean filesystem blocksize it could mean sector size |
| 16:23.54 | Bogus8 | stew: in tune2fs -l like you told me |
| 16:24.07 | yareckon_ | hi folks, quick question, I've taken apart a raid array, and when I boot this system I get mdadm: No suitable drives found for /dev/md0 about a thousand times |
| 16:24.12 | Jester45 | Bogus8, if you have a lot of small files on a 4k block FS a lot of blockes are wasted |
| 16:24.17 | yareckon_ | I've commented out the mdadm.conf |
| 16:24.31 | yareckon_ | and removed md0 from /etc/fstab |
| 16:24.49 | zinx | Bogus8: are they small files? |
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| 16:24.58 | yareckon_ | anything else I need to do to erase the system's memory of this (now nonexistent) array |
| 16:25.14 | Jester45 | Bogus8, are both FS the same block size |
| 16:25.21 | Bogus8 | stew, Jester45: this is the issue with any of that fragmentation or blocksize ideas... rsync -na --progress says total size is 504548667154 but if I du -s that dir it says 396069108 |
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| 16:25.49 | Bogus8 | that's HUGE difference and it's like 80,000 files... lots larger than 4k |
| 16:25.58 | zinx | how much larger? |
| 16:25.59 | yareckon_ | when it boots, before it hits that error, it says /dev/md0 device exists |
| 16:26.00 | Bogus8 | Jester45: yes they are both the same |
| 16:26.15 | yareckon_ | what makes it think that this device is there |
| 16:26.31 | Jester45 | yareckon_, i would say get a live cd with mdadm support and fix it from there |
| 16:26.36 | yareckon_ | rather, when it boots, before it hits that error, it says /dev/md0 file exists |
| 16:26.37 | stew | Bogus8: oh, i thought you said they were made with the default mkfs parameters, which would be 1024 block size, not 4096 |
| 16:26.45 | Bogus8 | zinx: this is my mass storage for all things I get... d/l movies, cd images, software installs, mp3's |
| 16:26.58 | zinx | but, at 80,000 files, the average wasted size (depending on the content - some content will tend to waste more or less) with that filesystem will be around 156MB |
| 16:27.05 | Jester45 | Bogus8, are you trying to make a backup? |
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| 16:27.35 | Bogus8 | stew: I created them with mkfs.ext3 I'm pretty sure (that is what I did on the new system)... the old sytem is over a year old so i don't recall exactly what I ran... but I didn't give it any silly options as I don't know any ;) |
| 16:27.48 | Bogus8 | Jester45: I'm trying to migrate... move all the data |
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| 16:28.03 | zinx | how much wasted space are you seeing, and how are you measuring it? |
| 16:28.03 | Bogus8 | zinx: 156mb, not gigs ;) |
| 16:28.10 | zinx | yes, i said MB |
| 16:28.16 | Jester45 | zinx, he said sync -na --progress says total size is 504548667154 but if I du -s that dir it says 396069108 |
| 16:28.25 | zinx | (if you say df, i am going to poke you in the eye) |
| 16:28.35 | Bogus8 | zinx: the problem comes when I move the files from a system with a 441gig partition to one with a 463gig partion and the 370gigs don't fit on the 463gig partition! |
| 16:28.56 | Jester45 | lol that sounds funny to me |
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| 16:29.23 | Jester45 | "o noes my 370gigs dont fit inside of 460gigs" |
| 16:29.31 | zinx | Bogus8: uhm, do you have any hard links? |
| 16:29.34 | Jester45 | Bogus8, maybe its the raid setup |
| 16:29.41 | themill | Bogus8: have you tried using -S on rsync? |
| 16:29.48 | zinx | Bogus8: but rsync gives the actual size |
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| 16:29.59 | jetscreamer | i don't have a dvd sized usb stick :/ |
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| 16:30.13 | icwiener | Hi, I have my kernel configured to append a string to my kernel version. But everytime I compy that config to a new source dir (e.g when switching from 2.6.25 to 2.6.26) the make-kpkg process quits with the message, that the version strings do not match. How is that verstion string append feature supposed to be used? |
| 16:30.15 | jetscreamer | well gee etch for me :/ |
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| 16:30.20 | Bogus8 | zinx: I've killed all other mounted drives except OS which isn't linked and all my links were symlinks |
| 16:30.24 | zinx | Bogus8: try du -b |
| 16:30.26 | jetscreamer | to install at first |
| 16:30.32 | zinx | (or du -sb if you want) |
| 16:30.38 | Bogus8 | themill: yes, I used it with a known offending file and it exhibited same crazy behavior |
| 16:31.12 | Bogus8 | zinx: it's running |
| 16:31.21 | stew | i don't know what other than fragmentation would cause a file to occupy way more blocks than would be expected |
| 16:31.28 | stew | and internal fragmentation DOES explain it |
| 16:31.43 | Bogus8 | Jester45: I have brought that up since it's a 4 disk raid 5 goign to a 3 disk raid 5 but it SHOULDN'T matter |
| 16:31.46 | yareckon_ | any other software raid dudes out there that can tell me how to boot a debian system without trying to mount the (now nonexisten) raid array? |
| 16:31.58 | zinx | nothing would cause rsync to transfer more bytes than you think should be transferred other than 1) hard links, 2) stupidity. |
| 16:32.13 | jetscreamer | yareckon_: is it referenced in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? (i know nothing) |
| 16:32.31 | Bogus8 | zinx: I agree... so why is it happening... I've done it with a single file and the difference still existed |
| 16:32.32 | yareckon_ | It should have nothing to do with booting |
| 16:32.32 | jetscreamer | nothing about raid at least |
| 16:32.41 | yareckon_ | hopefully anyway |
| 16:32.47 | jetscreamer | it might try to boot the array though |
| 16:32.51 | Bogus8 | stew: but xfering onto a fresh system wouldn't account for fragmentation would it? |
| 16:32.53 | zinx | Bogus8: maybe you're misinterpreting the du output? |
| 16:32.55 | debCarlos | yareckon_: Maybe in /etc/fstab ? |
| 16:33.01 | jetscreamer | unless you had a seperate /boot |
| 16:33.01 | debCarlos | or /etc/mtab |
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| 16:33.16 | stew | Bogus8: its not a fresh system |
| 16:33.17 | yareckon_ | yeah, I killed dev/md0 out of fstab |
| 16:33.21 | Bogus8 | zinx: hehe... but why doesn't 370gigs of data fit on a 463gig partition, when it was living on a 441gig partition? ;) |
| 16:33.33 | yareckon_ | still thinks it should try to mount the damn thing when I reboot |
| 16:33.34 | jetscreamer | the root= portion is what i was thinking about, in menu.lst |
| 16:33.53 | Bogus8 | stew: my new system (the destination) IS... it was a brand new filesystem before I started the rsync |
| 16:33.59 | Bogus8 | not a single file was created on there |
| 16:34.12 | zinx | Bogus8: hard links, different block size and a ton of files, different measurements of "gig" |
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| 16:34.25 | yareckon_ | yeah, I will check that, but the whole system is on the separate drive, and the array is just mounted at /raid after boot as far as I know |
| 16:34.27 | Jester45 | thats a good question, because nomatter how fragmented the files are its still 370gigs of data. i have a feeling its the software raid |
| 16:34.29 | Bogus8 | zinx: sorry, why does the 370gigs NOT fit on the 463gig partition |
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| 16:34.48 | zinx | 463*(1000**3)/(1024**3) = 431.20235204696655273438 |
| 16:34.56 | Bogus8 | zinx: same block size and there should be NO hardlinks... I've never created them... I actually don't know how |
| 16:34.57 | yareckon_ | but some reference to the md0 device is somewhere and preventing the system from booting |
| 16:35.01 | Bogus8 | all I know for links is ln -s |
| 16:35.07 | stew | Bogus8: show us the output of dumpe2fs for the fresh partition |
| 16:35.12 | jetscreamer | ln -sn |
| 16:35.19 | debCarlos | Obvioulsy, 370 > 460 |
| 16:35.49 | zinx | also, 396069108 is more than 370 |
| 16:35.49 | Bogus8 | stew: granted now this has under gone a complete fill via this crazy rsync but it's coming up |
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| 16:35.56 | zinx | but still less than 430 :/ |
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| 16:36.16 | Bogus8 | zinx: all that is fine but it IS living on a 441gig partition yet it won't fit on a 463gig partition? and LOTS of files left to xfer |
| 16:36.27 | zinx | Bogus8: also, how are you measuring the "463gig"? |
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| 16:37.04 | Bogus8 | zinx: well, that I'm using df -h for... it's a raid 5 built out of three 250 gig drives |
| 16:37.18 | zinx | Bogus8: using the free space number? |
| 16:37.24 | yareckon_ | it's crazy raid day! |
| 16:37.30 | debCarlos | lol |
| 16:37.36 | zinx | Bogus8: what it calls 'Avail' |
| 16:37.50 | Bogus8 | zinx: using the "size" field |
| 16:37.51 | zinx | Bogus8: or using the 'Size' number, which includes space reserved for root that you can't use? |
| 16:37.59 | zinx | Bogus8: ok, that includes space you can't use. |
| 16:38.07 | Bogus8 | zinx: /dev/md1 441G 378G 40G 91% |
| 16:38.19 | Bogus8 | /dev/md0 463G 220G 220G 51% |
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| 16:38.45 | zinx | Bogus8: you have 378G free, which isn't enough to store the 405"gig" you're copying over |
| 16:39.15 | debCarlos | Does hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda have side effects? |
| 16:39.34 | stew | Bogus8: this is why i say that the partition is no longer fresh |
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| 16:40.09 | roman | Hi |
| 16:40.09 | zinx | oh hum, df does use 1024, which would make it 377.72GiB you're copying over to something with 378GiB free |
| 16:40.19 | Bogus8 | zinx: the other space is occupied by other parts of the failed rsync... there was ZERO data on there before i started moving that data |
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| 16:40.29 | Bogus8 | zinx: it would end up being a 1:1 copy of the data |
| 16:40.33 | debCarlos | !hi | roman |
| 16:40.36 | zinx | Bogus8: has that du -sb finished? |
| 16:41.18 | Bogus8 | zinx: yeah, just saw it... oddly it's a high number like rsync :( 504584795788 |
| 16:41.24 | zinx | oddlyZ |
| 16:41.27 | zinx | erh, ? |
| 16:41.29 | Bogus8 | stew: http://www.pastebin.ca/1092638 |
| 16:41.41 | Bogus8 | that's my dumpe2fs |
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| 16:41.46 | roman | Are there any "well-known" issues, making the default intallation von mysql with etch being very slow when an external client connects? |
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| 16:41.55 | zinx | Bogus8: your filesystem has more data than it can store :P |
| 16:41.59 | zinx | Bogus8: do you have any sparse files? |
| 16:42.14 | Bogus8 | zinx: I am not sure... I did try rsync with the -S optioin but that didn't help |
| 16:42.16 | zinx | Bogus8: i.e., incomplete torrents, etc |
| 16:42.28 | Bogus8 | zinx: most definitely |
| 16:42.39 | yareckon_ | roman, internet latency? |
| 16:42.49 | zinx | Bogus8: there's your problem |
| 16:43.09 | Bogus8 | zinx: yeah, I know what you mean.. I have seen how it allocates the data even if it's not there but yet it's really not there |
| 16:43.15 | zinx | Bogus8: erase the incomplete stuff :P |
| 16:43.21 | Bogus8 | not sure how that happens |
| 16:43.30 | Bogus8 | zinx: but it's not just torrents that are causing the issue |
| 16:43.32 | roman | yang, no in our lan. >10 seconds to answer a simple select. |
| 16:43.36 | zinx | Bogus8: Linux doesn't allocate the space until it's written to |
| 16:43.40 | roman | wops yareckon_ |
| 16:43.44 | zinx | Bogus8: otherwise it's assumed to all be 0 |
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| 16:43.51 | yareckon_ | ow! |
| 16:43.58 | Bogus8 | example this webcam driver/software stuff has a file that is 1.6mb before I rsync then it becomes 2.1mb after |
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| 16:44.41 | zinx | Bogus8: du -sb your incomplete torrents then du -s --block-size=1 |
| 16:44.45 | yareckon_ | Bogus8, what file system types are you running? |
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| 16:44.51 | roman | the same query takes just 0,2 secs on another machine (sles10), but about 10-20 secs on the debian machine (no matter, wich client) |
| 16:44.53 | Bogus8 | zinx: I'm doing a dry run on that dir now |
| 16:44.58 | Bogus8 | yareckon_: ext3 |
| 16:45.12 | zinx | Bogus8: the difference between those will give you the amount that's not allocated |
| 16:45.20 | n3kl | Anyone tell me how to burn a bootable dvd from command line? I did growisofs -Z /dev/dvd test.iso and it just added the iso file ot the dvd. |
| 16:45.25 | zinx | Bogus8: but still "present" in the file (as implied zeros) |
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| 16:45.34 | Penol | How to check when my debian was compiled? |
| 16:45.37 | Bogus8 | zinx: not the prolem I don't think :( rsync says total size is 53022803830 and du -hs says 50gigs |
| 16:45.38 | Penol | the date. |
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| 16:45.46 | stew | Penol: what do you mean by compiled? |
| 16:46.04 | Penol | stew: like Linux Version 2.6.19.3, Compiled #1 Mon Feb 19 11:22:17 CET 2007 |
| 16:46.20 | stew | Penol: by 'my debian' you mean 'my kernel'? |
| 16:46.25 | Penol | yeah |
| 16:46.27 | themill | Penol: uname -a |
| 16:46.27 | zinx | Bogus8: you can run du -b and du --block-size=1 and compare the outputs, too (no -s) |
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| 16:46.43 | zinx | Bogus8: to find where the sparse file that's eating up the space is |
| 16:47.04 | Bogus8 | zinx: very little difference :( |
| 16:47.15 | Bogus8 | 52998676480 vs 53028190070 |
| 16:47.23 | zinx | huh, strange |
| 16:47.42 | zinx | oh, that was only the incomplete downloads dir |
| 16:47.47 | yareckon_ | roman, that does sound like there is something wrong |
| 16:47.52 | zinx | Bogus8: try those last two on the whole thing and compare |
| 16:48.07 | yareckon_ | you have exactly that same version of mysql and the same size tables on both? |
| 16:48.11 | zinx | Bogus8: need to leave out -s so you get everything, and can pin it down to where |
| 16:48.19 | Bogus8 | zinx: oh, I know there will be a mismatch there... but not everyting in here is torrents certainly not incomplete ones |
| 16:48.32 | zinx | Bogus8: you're looking for a huge mismatch |
| 16:48.32 | debCarlos | I'm going to eat :) |
| 16:48.42 | Bogus8 | zinx: that's over 80,000 files... that is a LOT to go over ;) |
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| 16:49.07 | Jester45 | Bogus8, thats what scripts are for |
| 16:49.12 | Jester45 | :) |
| 16:49.16 | Penol | how to check Bogomips ? |
| 16:49.20 | Bogus8 | zinx: I have one that is huge now... my videos-movies is 134859476992 vs 221326413689 |
| 16:49.27 | wols_ | Penol: dmesg tells you at the beginning |
| 16:49.33 | Penol | ok wols_ |
| 16:49.39 | wols_ | or if failing that, kern.log |
| 16:49.52 | yareckon_ | Penol, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 16:49.53 | zinx | Bogus8: yeah, there's 80GiB right there |
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| 16:50.00 | Bogus8 | Jester45: I wouldn't even have a clue where to begin with that sort of task :( |
| 16:50.59 | Bogus8 | zinx: I had found an obvious file in that dir before and deleted it... but it was a single mpg and shouldn't have been incomplete |
| 16:51.33 | zinx | yeah well, it was |
| 16:51.36 | raptelan|bepress | yo |
| 16:51.40 | raptelan|bepress | anybody use bridge-utils? |
| 16:51.45 | zinx | or otherwise had a ton of non-allocated blocks |
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| 16:52.03 | raptelan|bepress | i'm curious if I set up a bridge of 3 devices, and one of those 3 ethernet cables go bad but the other 2 are still good, does the bridge connection stay up at reduced bitrate? |
| 16:52.09 | Bogus8 | zinx: I normally don't move incomplete torrents though :( |
| 16:52.24 | stew | you can use find to find sparse files |
| 16:52.41 | stew | hmm, well it can report them |
| 16:52.44 | Bogus8 | stew: really? how does that work |
| 16:53.07 | stew | -printf %S show sparseness, sparse file is < 1 for sparseness |
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| 16:53.48 | stew | so, find -printf '%S %p\n' | awk '$1<1.0{print}' |
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| 16:55.12 | themill | stew: is %s a new feature? find in etch doesn't like it :( |
| 16:55.16 | smev81 | i have a delicate problem: i want to grub a windowsxp on a logical partition. Any clues? |
| 16:55.17 | themill | (err ) |
| 16:55.30 | Bogus8 | stew: find: warning: unrecognized format directive `%S' |
| 16:55.38 | stew | i guess it is a new feature |
| 16:55.43 | Bogus8 | themill: same here |
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| 16:57.15 | themill | nandersson: /msg dpkg nmg |
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| 16:59.11 | kenjy | guy can you help me to install mysql server on debian? I got this dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): |
| 16:59.11 | kenjy | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.11 | kenjy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:00.41 | Nyle | smev81, hi |
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| 17:00.54 | smev81 | hi |
| 17:00.57 | Nyle | !ntgrub |
| 17:00.57 | dpkg | it has been said that ntgrub is at http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html |
| 17:00.59 | dalias | is it possible to use ifplugd with a wireless on/off switch on a laptop to configure the wireless just when you turn it on? |
| 17:01.02 | Nyle | !debiandualboot |
| 17:01.02 | dpkg | well, debiandualboot is at http://marc.herbert.free.fr/linux/win2linstall.html#debian-testing-sarge |
| 17:01.06 | nandersson | themill, thanks |
| 17:01.09 | Nyle | smev81, ^^ look at those links |
| 17:01.18 | pickcoder | anyone know if the jmicron driver supports RAID now? |
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| 17:01.34 | stew | myabe: find -type f -printf '%s %b %p\n' | awk '(($1+512)/($2+1))>512{print}' |
| 17:01.40 | Nyle | smev81, older info from sarge testing, but it still applies |
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| 17:02.07 | Nyle | smev81, obviously the links would be older but you can use the new ones. if you already have linux, feel free to install windows xp, it will overwrite your mbr of grub |
| 17:02.19 | dalias | i'm using sid on an eeepc and it works great |
| 17:02.32 | Nyle | smev81, whish sholdn't be a problem, NTGrub will be able to start your debian already on disk |
| 17:02.34 | kenjy | guy can you help me to install mysql server on debian? I got this dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 http://rafb.net/p/gtzkXt54.html |
| 17:02.35 | dalias | but it would be nice to be able to activate the wireless without su'ing |
| 17:03.06 | Nyle | smev81, usually its a good idea to install inux after windows, but it doesn't matter if you know how to use grub |
| 17:03.25 | dvs | dalias: paste your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 17:03.30 | stew | Bogus8: find -type f -printf '%s %b %p\n' | awk '(($1+512)/($2+1))>512{print}' |
| 17:04.28 | smev81 | i know grub a bit, but it puts out an error when i try to boot xp |
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| 17:04.48 | Bogus8 | stew: that seems to be working... lots to go through |
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| 17:05.42 | dalias | dvs, well ifup is not being run by the ifplugd at all :( |
| 17:05.55 | dalias | so i think the problem is earlier than ifup |
| 17:06.11 | dalias | if i run ifup ath0, it works |
| 17:06.17 | dvs | dalias: is there an "auto" line in there? |
| 17:06.26 | dvs | dalias: is there an "auto ath0" line in there? |
| 17:06.39 | Bogus8 | stew, zinx: I think I found the 80 gigs... there was a massive torrent that I unchecked most of and didn't d/l it... that was where a lot of that 80gigs in the video dir went |
| 17:06.57 | smev81 | i can boot xp from primary partition (wxp32) but not from the logical (wxp64bit -- for gaming) |
| 17:07.30 | helo | can gnome-terminal connect to a console through /dev/ttyS0? |
| 17:07.34 | themill | dalias: is that driver network-manager compatible? if so, then that would probably be the best option. (istr you also need to tell ifplugd which devices to manage in /etc/default/ifplugd but it's been a while...) |
| 17:07.37 | n3kl | I recenly changed the channel that my wireless runs on, and now for some reason, none of my wireless devices are connecting to it. All the configs on my clients are the same. Any idea why this might be happening? |
| 17:07.50 | pingouin | is there a way i can change my version of mount (2.12r-19etch1) without so much troubles with the stable version ? |
| 17:07.59 | dalias | blah stupid mistake in the conf, got i working now |
| 17:08.05 | dalias | sorry for the spam :) |
| 17:08.10 | pingouin | this version is buggy, with uuid mount, only root can umount :/ |
| 17:08.22 | dvs | !blame dalias |
| 17:08.22 | dpkg | blames tenner and dalias for all the evil in the world |
| 17:08.30 | liable_ | n3kl: your clients cant use the channel? (country settings) |
| 17:08.33 | stew | !info mount stable |
| 17:08.45 | dalias | now time to setup guessnet for picking the right ap's |
| 17:08.51 | dalias | :-) |
| 17:08.54 | kenjy | guy can you help me to install mysql server on debian? I got this dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 http://rafb.net/p/gtzkXt54.html |
| 17:09.05 | dpkg | mount: (Tools for mounting and manipulating filesystems), section admin, is required. Version: 2.12r-19etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 153 kB, Installed size: 340 kB |
| 17:09.10 | stew | pingouin: that is the stable version |
| 17:09.22 | pingouin | stew: yes, i got etch |
| 17:09.28 | enouf | n3kl: do you have a wireless-channel entry in /interfaces? how about /sbin/iwconfig ... in rc.local |
| 17:09.31 | pingouin | stew: but its buggy |
| 17:09.49 | pingouin | stew: if i use the uuid in fstab only root can umount |
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| 17:10.01 | enouf | n3kl: i just helped someone in another channel with this ,, lmao .. |
| 17:10.23 | stew | pingouin: is there a bug filed? |
| 17:10.32 | stew | pingouin: can you show us the line from fstab? |
| 17:10.47 | pingouin | stew: yes, solved in other version |
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| 17:11.13 | stew | kenjy: that us usally becuase a config file was removed from /etc/mysql that is needed for support for older client versions (something liek the the "support sarge clients" debconf option) |
| 17:11.23 | pingouin | stew: UUID=EC33-EDE2 /mnt/my_usb_stick vfat rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 17:11.28 | stew | kenjy: you should be able to get a more specific error if you try to start mysql by hand |
| 17:12.05 | stew | pingouin: it looks like it should backport cleanly, /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:12.14 | tclineks | before i do lots of writes on this paritition that i accidentally reformatted, is there any easy way to get data off of it? ext3grep isn't giving me anything |
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| 17:12.31 | kenjy | stew: I don't removed any file from /etc/mysql because this is the first instalation, If / do /etc/init.d/mysql start I get: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! and thats all :S can you help me? |
| 17:12.38 | n3kl | liable_, enouf, its running on channel 1, I didn't know htere where conuntry settings. I don't have a channel entry in my interfaces file or anything |
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| 17:12.43 | n3kl | do I need one? |
| 17:12.43 | pingouin | stew: would you be kind enough to tell dpkg to tell me about ssb, it never answer to me |
| 17:12.54 | stew | dpkg: tell pingouin about ssb |
| 17:13.01 | awatkins | Hi, all. I have the Etch->Lenny, 'Waiting for root...' boot problem with what seems like a new twist to me. (Apologies and please correct me if I'm whining in the wrong place.) |
| 17:13.03 | pingouin | thank you very much |
| 17:13.35 | stew | kenjy: what happens if you run "mysqld" from the command line? |
| 17:13.39 | liable_ | n3kl: nope, its usually looked after by the module. does the ap show up in a scan? |
| 17:13.54 | kenjy | stew: InnoDB: Error: pthread_create returned 12 |
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| 17:15.10 | stew | kenjy: what does "ulimit" return? |
| 17:15.24 | kenjy | stew: root@code:/etc/nginx/vhosts# ulimit |
| 17:15.24 | kenjy | unlimited |
| 17:15.46 | Nyle | smev81, pastebin your grub entry that boots xp |
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| 17:16.26 | LemensTS | http://lemensts.pastebin.com/m69f1c316 here is the full 'make' of the zaptel that im having problem with in debian |
| 17:16.27 | n3kl | liable_: yes, the ap does show up in a scan |
| 17:16.45 | n3kl | liable_: I am using wpa if that matters, and in my wpa config, it is the only ap listed there |
| 17:17.24 | liable_ | n3kl: wpasupp should look after setting the channel fine. did you hide the essid when you changed it? |
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| 17:17.49 | n3kl | liable_: no, the channel was the *only* thing that changed |
| 17:17.54 | smev81 | http://pastebin.com/d31cef62f |
| 17:18.00 | stew | LemensTS: is there any reason you aren't building the module with m-a ? |
| 17:18.14 | liable_ | n3kl: odd. i cant think why it would break stuff |
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| 17:19.02 | enouf | n3kl: others here have better wifi experience than me ;-) i told you what i had to ;-) |
| 17:19.25 | kenjy | stew: any idea? |
| 17:19.43 | n3kl | liable_: my wpa config only has the essid listed and the passphrase, so I would think that no matter what channel the wireless is running on and it should connect |
| 17:19.52 | liable_ | n3kl: yes |
| 17:19.56 | enouf | pingouin: it's likely dpkg is sending you a PM in another window |
| 17:19.57 | n3kl | enouf: yeah, its strange |
| 17:19.58 | liable_ | enouf: which was? |
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| 17:19.58 | stew | kenjy: i don't know. i'd check that you don't have a crazy number of processes or used memory on the machine |
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| 17:20.32 | keith4 | LemensTS: I use asterisk on debian. you should really be using module-assistant |
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| 17:21.23 | enouf | liable_: nothing |
| 17:21.53 | liable_ | n3kl: run wpasupplicant with -ddd and paste output to pastebot |
| 17:22.00 | LemensTS | keith4: ok i will look into that. I used m-a before when i did ndiswrapper...ill check my notes |
| 17:22.14 | keith4 | m-a a-i zaptel |
| 17:22.21 | keith4 | done |
| 17:22.46 | yang | Which is the java package for iceweasel on AMD64 ? |
| 17:23.22 | n3kl | liable_: well, I will have to look into that later. I was just wondering if there was a setting I needed to add for running on channel 1 or something, or possible reasons it would fail. I am not currently able to do that in the environment that is problematic |
| 17:23.30 | n3kl | liable_: thanks for you input though |
| 17:23.41 | LemensTS | keith: dont i have to compile zaptel first to do that |
| 17:23.52 | LemensTS | once i do that i do modprobe ztdummy or whatever |
| 17:23.52 | liable_ | ok |
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| 17:24.18 | n3kl | liable_: but it looks like ddd would reduce the output, right? |
| 17:24.27 | stew | LemensTS: that command DOES compile zaptel |
| 17:24.27 | liable_ | increase |
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| 17:25.06 | stew | yang: for which version of debian? |
| 17:25.07 | dondelelcaro | roman: inslucing connection time? or not including it? |
| 17:25.13 | keith4 | LemensTS: if you need ztdummy, then yes |
| 17:25.14 | yang | stew: lenny |
| 17:25.37 | n3kl | liable_: aparantly I can readt =] |
| 17:25.59 | n3kl | or type |
| 17:25.59 | liable_ | ;) q decreases |
| 17:26.28 | stew | yang: gcjwebplugin |
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| 17:27.05 | LemensTS | keith4: ok so with 'm-a a-i zaptel' is that just pulling zaptel like apt-get ? if so its gonna be older in debian i was going to use the most recent one i downloaded...is there a way to choose it |
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| 17:27.24 | pingouin | enouf: yes i know, but dpkg never answer me |
| 17:27.37 | pingouin | enouf: the window just display my /msg |
| 17:27.40 | stew | LemensTS: you could download and install a newer 'zaptel-source' package from http://packages.debian.org/zaptel-source |
| 17:27.46 | vorsprung | a pimp just offered me a role in gibraltar |
| 17:27.47 | enouf | pingouin: hrm, are you registered and identified to CHANSERV ? |
| 17:27.50 | stew | !ssb |
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| 17:27.51 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 17:27.52 | stew | pingouin: ^^^ |
| 17:27.59 | pingouin | how one would do to know in wich package an app is in ? |
| 17:28.01 | pingouin | enouf: yes i am |
| 17:28.10 | pingouin | !ssb |
| 17:28.12 | stew | pingouin: /msg dpkg search |
| 17:28.30 | stew | pingouin: and mount is in the 'mount' package |
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| 17:29.25 | LamerC | I just installed Debian stable from CD and I noticed that the home folder for my user is world-readable (rwxr-xr-x). Is it enough to make the top directory (/home/allen) 'rwx------' to prevent subdirectories and files from being readable? |
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| 17:29.42 | LamerC | Also, when I try to lock the desktop, nothing happens. |
| 17:29.52 | stew | LemensTS: note that it is normally not a good idea to install packages from another release, like i'm recommending you do here, but in this case, the package just installs some source code, and won't pull in other dependencies from the newer release |
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| 17:32.11 | kenjy | stew: I don't removed any file from /etc/mysql because this is the first instalation, If / do /etc/init.d/mysql start I get: Starting MySQL database server: mysqld . . . . . . . . . . . . . . failed! and thats all :S can you help me? |
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| 17:32.21 | kenjy | sorry stew copy/paste error :S |
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| 17:33.10 | arcsky_ | hi i wonder why i cant load my module FATAL: Module ip_nat_proto_gre not found. |
| 17:33.26 | arcsky_ | I have a generic kernel i know, doesnt it work then? |
| 17:33.50 | liable_ | arcsky_: have you built your own kernel? |
| 17:33.59 | themill | arcsky_: what's uname -a ? |
| 17:34.01 | LemensTS | stew: ok thanks working on that |
| 17:34.03 | kenjy | guy can you help me to install mysql server on debian? I got this dpkg: error processing mysql-server-5.0 (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1 http://rafb.net/p/gtzkXt54.html |
| 17:34.09 | LemensTS | themill: type it in and see |
| 17:34.19 | liable_ | the iptables guys changed the names of stuff in 24 iirc |
| 17:34.28 | themill | LemensTS: ? |
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| 17:34.43 | LemensTS | themill: type it at your bash and hit <enter>, it is safe to do |
| 17:34.50 | LemensTS | it just gives u info |
| 17:34.56 | themill | LemensTS: I want to know what kernel arcsky_ is using. |
| 17:34.56 | arcsky_ | Linux server 2.6.18-5-486 #1 Mon Dec 24 16:04:42 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 17:35.13 | themill | arcsky_: that's a very old etch kernel... |
| 17:35.19 | ixnay | I've got another small problem. I cannot get mod_suexec to work. I've tried howto's, googling, manuals, random stuff. Anyone got any usefull information that might help? |
| 17:35.41 | arcsky_ | themill: ok but it works fine for me. and i dont wanna reboot my server :p |
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| 17:35.50 | arcsky_ | themill: isnt possible for me to get this module? |
| 17:35.52 | themill | LemensTS: also, when people start saying "generic" in relation to kernels around here, they usually should be asking in #ubuntu. |
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| 17:36.04 | dvs | arcsky_: not even for 2.6.24? ;-) |
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| 17:36.27 | dvs | boo! |
| 17:36.41 | arcsky_ | actually i wonder if i really need this module for get my iptables script work with PPTP |
| 17:36.55 | Nyle | what the hell |
| 17:37.00 | Nyle | hey what was my quit message? |
| 17:37.13 | stew | kenjy: you need to figure out why you get that error when you try to run "mysqld". that is what is causing the installation to fail |
| 17:37.15 | dvs | Nyle: (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) |
| 17:37.15 | ixnay | Connection reset by peer |
| 17:37.18 | n3kl | arcsky_: you prolly just need the gre module |
| 17:37.20 | Nyle | that fucking peer! |
| 17:37.29 | Nyle | kicks peer in the nuts |
| 17:37.40 | kenjy | stew: how can I do that? :S |
| 17:37.43 | Nyle | why does that happen? is that preventable? |
| 17:37.46 | ixnay | No one knows any solution to my mod_suexec problem? |
| 17:37.54 | themill | arcsky_: are you setting up a pptp server or are you trying to install a pptp client? |
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| 17:38.04 | n3kl | Nyle: you swear too much |
| 17:38.14 | arcsky_ | themill: i just want my debian router to forward to my pptp server |
| 17:38.23 | Nyle | but why does the peer keep resetting me? |
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| 17:38.26 | Nyle | what did I do? |
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| 17:38.29 | n3kl | arcsky_: why do you need to reboot to make that happen? |
| 17:38.46 | kenjy | stew: this http://rafb.net/p/cgWOAU37.html its my syslog :O |
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| 17:38.47 | themill | Nyle: it happens when you start rambling too much in here rather than in #debian-offtopic... |
| 17:38.48 | arcsky_ | n3kl: as i think i need to reboot when i get a new kernel |
| 17:39.07 | n3kl | arcsky_: right, but if that is all you are trying to do, why do you need a new kernel? |
| 17:39.09 | Nyle | I wasn't even saying anything and my irc dropped |
| 17:39.25 | arcsky_ | n3kl: how else can i get the module ? |
| 17:39.29 | abrotman | Nyle: did your cable modem reset? |
| 17:39.32 | ixnay | Nyle: that might be the problem. |
| 17:39.43 | n3kl | arcsky_: whay module are you looking for? |
| 17:39.48 | Nyle | abrotman, no, you've seen how laggy and crappy my conenction has been |
| 17:40.08 | arcsky_ | ip_nat_proto_gre |
| 17:40.08 | arcsky_ | ip_conntrack_proto_gre |
| 17:40.21 | Nyle | abrotman, you suggested i switch servers, I tried a few diff freenode servers too, same results... everything on everything is fine, except irc, which keeps going laggy and peer resetting |
| 17:40.28 | Nyle | more often than not... which is annoying |
| 17:40.29 | stew | kenjy: i don't know the source of that "InnoDB: Error: pthread_create returned 12" error, sorry |
| 17:40.45 | n3kl | arcsky_: isn't it just called ip_gre ? |
| 17:40.58 | n3kl | arcsky_: do modprobe -l | grep gre |
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| 17:41.16 | themill | kenjy: do you use innodb? Perhaps disable it in /etc/mysql/my.cnf and see if that helps. |
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| 17:41.41 | arcsky_ | /lib/modules/2.6.18-5-486/kernel/net/ipv4/ip_gre.ko |
| 17:41.50 | Nyle | I just tried bandwidth place, I get 1.0mb /s |
| 17:41.56 | n3kl | arcsky_: right, so load it |
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| 17:42.14 | Nyle | stew, what server do you use for freenode for nyc? |
| 17:42.14 | Usiu | Hi |
| 17:42.23 | Usiu | Some of my brightness key stoped working |
| 17:42.26 | Usiu | a time ago |
| 17:42.32 | Usiu | I have Thinkpad T61 |
| 17:42.46 | Nyle | stew, I am using the one in newark new jersey |
| 17:42.49 | Nyle | stew, verne |
| 17:42.51 | Usiu | Does Debian use Hal or Xorg to configure keyboard ? |
| 17:42.55 | stew | Nyle: none in particular. if you are having problems with freenode, try #freenode |
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| 17:43.23 | Nyle | ah right on |
| 17:43.27 | abrotman | Nyle: is it a router that might be problematic with the dcc send junk ? |
| 17:43.44 | abrotman | Nyle: just check the uptime on your router/modem if you can.. that is one possibility |
| 17:43.48 | Nyle | well let me first try to ask in #freenode, if I can't any better luck on my connection |
| 17:43.51 | Nyle | I'll do that |
| 17:43.53 | Nyle | thanks |
| 17:44.00 | stew | !tell Nyle about enter |
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| 17:44.17 | Nyle | seriously... |
| 17:44.21 | Usiu | Is evdev better than mouse driver in xorg.conf ? |
| 17:44.26 | abrotman | hehe |
| 17:44.30 | Usiu | What does Debian use for keyboard configuration? |
| 17:44.32 | Usiu | Hal ? |
| 17:44.42 | abrotman | keymap or keyboard? |
| 17:45.13 | Usiu | abrotman: I have Thinkpad T61 and a time ago brightness keys stoped working |
| 17:45.29 | abrotman | might be a BIOS function ? |
| 17:45.43 | Usiu | abrotman: it did worked |
| 17:45.50 | Usiu | i mean it worked |
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| 17:46.09 | stew | Usiu: if you are using x in testing, you can use xbacklight to set the brightness |
| 17:46.10 | Usiu | abrotman: and I havent change anything in bios |
| 17:46.49 | Usiu | stew: yes it does work, but when I installed Debian first buttons were working and when I remove cabel from AC brightness went to 50% |
| 17:47.01 | jetscreamer | ok here we go with etch cd :/ |
| 17:47.01 | Usiu | stew: now it does not happen nor buttons work |
| 17:47.04 | liable | thats standard on thinkpads |
| 17:47.14 | jetscreamer | least i have the lenny dvd .iso for after |
| 17:47.26 | Usiu | liable: ? |
| 17:47.29 | liable | Usiu: thats actually done by bios, i would be suspecting hardware problem |
| 17:47.41 | Usiu | liable: do you have Thinkpaf? |
| 17:47.46 | liable | yes, two |
| 17:47.55 | jetscreamer | i have a t20 |
| 17:47.57 | abrotman | my brightness in lenny works fine on my thinkpad |
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| 17:48.03 | stew | the brightness changing upon AC being removed is done by bios afaik |
| 17:48.04 | jetscreamer | it rocks, for it's age |
| 17:48.05 | abrotman | !info tpb lenny |
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| 17:48.12 | jetscreamer | yes iirc it is in bios |
| 17:48.19 | jetscreamer | actually we do ric |
| 17:48.23 | jetscreamer | err |
| 17:48.24 | jetscreamer | rc |
| 17:48.29 | jetscreamer | it's in the bios |
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| 17:48.36 | dpkg | tpb: (program to use the IBM ThinkPad(tm) special keys), section utils, is extra. Version: 0.6.4-2.3 (lenny), Packaged size: 53 kB, Installed size: 252 kB |
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| 17:48.46 | stew | when i hit brightness keys tpb actually shows a change in brightness, but the backlight doesn't actually change |
| 17:48.47 | abrotman | (that only works if you don't already have the brightness all the way down) |
| 17:49.00 | jetscreamer | there are 2 different thinkpad specific kernel modules also, that i know of |
| 17:49.06 | Usiu | liable: When I was pressing Fn+Home or Fn+End it showed gtk dialog with bar showing how much brigtness is set |
| 17:49.09 | jetscreamer | just fyi |
| 17:49.17 | Usiu | liable: now its not showing nor brightness is changing |
| 17:49.22 | ixnay | any apache-guru here that might tell me why the "Order" command in the apache2.conf file is invalid? |
| 17:49.23 | jetscreamer | (that don't get autoloaded on mine) |
| 17:49.26 | ixnay | "Order allow,deny" |
| 17:49.45 | stew | Usiu: are you sure it was gtk? |
| 17:49.47 | freeone3000 | It's not capitalized. That may matte.r |
| 17:49.50 | abrotman | ixnay: #apache ? |
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| 17:50.01 | ixnay | oh, yeah. Forgot about that :P |
| 17:50.05 | Usiu | stew: yes it used the current theme, and when I change it changed aswell |
| 17:50.58 | Usiu | stew: moreover before it was possible to see that key in touchkey editor, now its not.. |
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| 17:51.18 | dcnoye | is there a way to list all the stuff i installed with aptitude ? |
| 17:51.32 | Usiu | stew: and finally lsinput and input-event <right event> does catch pressing and unpressing button |
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| 17:51.42 | jetscreamer | dcnoye: yes |
| 17:51.49 | jetscreamer | i don't know exactly, but yes |
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| 17:51.54 | jetscreamer | exactly how |
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| 17:52.09 | dcnoye | anyone have any ideas ? |
| 17:52.16 | abrotman | !tell dcnoye about installed |
| 17:52.24 | dcnoye | thnks abrotman |
| 17:52.26 | jetscreamer | man aptitude comes to mind, or read that |
| 17:52.37 | n3kl | !tell me about installed too |
| 17:52.53 | jetscreamer | n3kl: /msg dpkg installed |
| 17:53.05 | jetscreamer | there is no factoid named installed too ... |
| 17:53.11 | jetscreamer | least probably not |
| 17:53.12 | n3kl | jetscreamer: actuall it worked |
| 17:53.20 | n3kl | well, without the too |
| 17:53.26 | abrotman | n3kl: /msg dpkg foo |
| 17:53.45 | jetscreamer | yeah w/o the too would |
| 17:53.46 | n3kl | just wanted to see if it worked |
| 17:53.54 | jetscreamer | /msg less typing though |
| 17:53.59 | Usiu | liable: Hmm |
| 17:54.33 | jetscreamer | yay etch installer working better |
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| 17:55.24 | n3kl | jetscreamer: just in time to reinstall for lenny |
| 17:56.16 | jetscreamer | n3kl: i couldn't get lenny to install on this, no nic, and the other methods didn't work out on this box |
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| 17:56.24 | jetscreamer | i did try |
| 17:56.39 | n3kl | Ahh |
| 17:56.45 | jetscreamer | and i have the lenny dvd.iso waiting |
| 17:56.54 | jetscreamer | 1-5 |
| 17:57.12 | jetscreamer | well only 1&2 are on the box atm |
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| 17:57.18 | yang | stew: I get error when loading java applet |
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| 17:57.25 | jetscreamer | 3-5 on this box |
| 17:57.33 | stew | yang: not supising, gcjwebplugin is extremely buggy |
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| 17:57.48 | beardy | 5 dvds? |
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| 17:57.51 | freeone3000 | You could use Sun's implementation. |
| 17:57.55 | yang | stew: there is no other iceweasel package? |
| 17:57.59 | stew | freeone3000: there is no Sun's implementation |
| 17:58.07 | freeone3000 | stew: What platform? |
| 17:58.10 | stew | freeone3000: amd64 |
| 17:58.15 | stew | yang: not in lenny, in sid there is an icedtea version |
| 17:58.18 | freeone3000 | Thought there was. |
| 17:58.33 | freeone3000 | hits up sun's site. |
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| 17:59.04 | stew | yang: i have no idea of the icedtea version is any less buggy, i haven't tried it |
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| 18:00.25 | abrotman | stew: it would appear that sun does distribute a x86_64 SE installer |
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| 18:00.34 | jetscreamer | shit |
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| 18:00.38 | _nighty7_ | http://www.pennergame.de/change_please/5273499/ |
| 18:00.38 | yang | stew: on i686 i dont have any java problems |
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| 18:00.48 | jetscreamer | failure while configuring required packages |
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| 18:01.10 | stew | yang: using which plugin? |
| 18:01.15 | jetscreamer | must be my unclean target (i hope) |
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| 18:01.15 | yang | i dont know |
| 18:01.19 | zeus | hi all |
| 18:01.29 | yang | i can check give ma second |
| 18:01.33 | felix-da-catz | When I am trying to remove a service with update-rc.d apache-ssl remove. It is telling me that the service exists during rc.d purge. Use -f to force. What does that mean and is it going to screw anything up if I remove it? |
| 18:01.39 | stew | abrotman: an installer that includes a mozilla plugin? |
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| 18:01.56 | abrotman | stew: ah .. it's the SDK .. NFC |
| 18:02.08 | jetscreamer | base-passwd oops |
| 18:02.09 | zeus | I would like to create a debian package and if is possible add it to experimental or unstable, where can I found documents about how to do that? |
| 18:02.12 | stew | freeone3000: it means that /etc/init.d/apache-ssl exists. if you use -f it would make apache-ssl not start upon boot |
| 18:02.14 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 18:02.19 | jetscreamer | fixes |
| 18:02.23 | stew | abrotman: they've been offering that for years |
| 18:02.35 | stew | zeus: /msg dpkg mg |
| 18:02.43 | abrotman | ah ok |
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| 18:02.53 | freeone3000 | They also offer the JRE. |
| 18:02.58 | zeus | thanks stew |
| 18:03.04 | stew | freeone3000: yes, they have been offering that for years |
| 18:03.05 | freeone3000 | Whether it includes the plugin or not is something else. |
| 18:03.13 | stew | it does not |
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| 18:05.04 | yang | stew: JAVA (TM) plugin 1.6.0 |
| 18:05.07 | jetscreamer | mozilla-plugin ? |
| 18:05.14 | jetscreamer | the contrib one? |
| 18:05.18 | jetscreamer | or non-free? |
| 18:05.34 | stew | yang: yes, that is sun's java, which is far less buggy than gcj |
| 18:05.43 | yang | stew: so which package is that? |
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| 18:05.50 | stew | yang: sun-java6-plugin |
| 18:06.06 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 18:06.07 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
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| 18:06.28 | jetscreamer | just fyi |
| 18:07.03 | yang | stew: its not in lenny |
| 18:07.07 | yang | amd64 |
| 18:07.18 | stew | yang: no, it doesn't exist for any release for amd64 |
| 18:07.21 | jetscreamer | seems to remember no it's not for amd64 |
| 18:07.36 | jetscreamer | there is some workaround you can do, iirc, but no idea |
| 18:07.45 | jetscreamer | use the 32bit one... |
| 18:07.52 | yang | bad luck |
| 18:08.16 | stew | yang: sun doesn't provide a amd64 plugin |
| 18:08.28 | yang | ok, no problem i will just use the other computer |
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| 18:08.44 | LemensTS | keith4: hey i uninstalled linux-headers and reinstalled them, that fixed it. I noticed the Makefile was empty thats why i did that |
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| 18:09.03 | keith4 | uh. what? |
| 18:09.10 | jetscreamer | ahh rm -R seems to have fixed it |
| 18:09.38 | LemensTS | keith4: when trying to 'make' zaptel...i did not use module-assistant |
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| 18:09.53 | jetscreamer | the installer doesn't seem to do something.. what it just does dpkg -i * ? |
| 18:10.04 | keith4 | LemensTS: why are you making things more difficult for yourself? |
| 18:10.21 | keith4 | you're going to have to recompile zaptel *every* time you install a kernel security update |
| 18:10.25 | khaleel5000 | abrotman: hello, I had some issue with kaffine ,vlc not playing video after lenny's update , after update i was using kernel 2.6.25, i just now booted with kernel 2.6.24 and the problem is solved (just informing if it may help in tracing a bug/anamoly) |
| 18:10.40 | HelgeS | Is it easy to download a package in source format, and then compile it myself? Perhaps with a *.deb as the result? Where can I learn how to do it? |
| 18:10.48 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 18:10.52 | jetscreamer | debian.org |
| 18:10.52 | khaleel5000 | both kernels are not complied by me but were from repository |
| 18:11.10 | keith4 | how do I find out what packaged provides a given file? |
| 18:11.11 | jetscreamer | tries to remember the factoid |
| 18:11.20 | jetscreamer | !tell keith4 -about search |
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| 18:12.00 | wols_ | dpkg -S <file> |
| 18:12.00 | dpkg | There is no record of a <file> package |
| 18:12.11 | keith4 | thanks jetscreamer |
| 18:12.14 | keith4 | and wols |
| 18:12.29 | jetscreamer | sorry HelgeS i can't remember |
| 18:12.36 | jetscreamer | but there's lots of docs |
| 18:12.36 | HelgeS | keith4: I usually go to http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
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| 18:13.25 | keith4 | HelgeS: dpkg -S is faster |
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| 18:14.15 | jetscreamer | jildsjflsdh;flhsad'fsad |
| 18:14.24 | jetscreamer | grub-install hd0 failed |
| 18:14.34 | jetscreamer | has grub-floppy |
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| 18:16.25 | jetscreamer | ok so: i've had grub on this hd before... etch installer is borked? somehow doesn't seem like it should be that |
| 18:16.45 | keith4 | anything in dmesg? |
| 18:16.56 | LemensTS | keith4: so any module i compile from source without m-a has to be recompiled when the kernel is updated, but with m-a it is independant of the kernel so i would not have to? |
| 18:17.14 | keith4 | LemensTS: no, you'll still have to rebuild it |
| 18:17.22 | jetscreamer | no any kernel update.. what he said |
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| 18:17.35 | keith4 | but it will be *easy*, because you can just type "m-a a-i zaptel", instead of dealing with all the problems you're having now |
| 18:18.57 | LemensTS | keith4: ok gotcha that makes sense then. It just saves me from having to go to the src directory and ./configure && make && make install |
| 18:20.18 | LemensTS | correct? |
| 18:20.33 | keith4 | also, it builds a deb and installs it, so you're using the package system and will be able to remove it later, etc. |
| 18:20.37 | keith4 | unlike your method |
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| 18:21.08 | jetscreamer | gd i hat ethis |
| 18:21.33 | abrotman | the keyboard? |
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| 18:22.09 | jetscreamer | no grub can't read the fs now |
| 18:22.19 | jetscreamer | i went through this 6 months ago |
| 18:22.45 | jetscreamer | or was it 12 |
| 18:23.13 | abrotman | are you still using reiser? |
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| 18:24.17 | jetscreamer | i've never used reiser.. jfs. but no this is ext3 |
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| 18:24.59 | timido | hey i have a question |
| 18:25.07 | timido | how can i connect via wppp on debian? |
| 18:25.14 | jetscreamer | oh god i'm going to have to do the mount proc thing aren't i |
| 18:25.20 | jetscreamer | and what else was it |
| 18:25.28 | jetscreamer | so i can install grub from a chroot |
| 18:25.30 | Nik_Doof | how do I remove all packages that match a mask? say *-2.6.24-1-686 |
| 18:25.33 | lvh | timido: wppp? |
| 18:25.37 | timido | lvh yeah |
| 18:25.51 | lvh | timido: which is? ppp + something? |
| 18:25.57 | timido | pppoe |
| 18:26.10 | lvh | timido: oh. well, obviously perfectly possible |
| 18:26.16 | jetscreamer | Nik_Doof: just like that afaik |
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| 18:26.21 | lvh | timido: the same way you connect with any other distro |
| 18:26.27 | jetscreamer | dpkg --purge or whatever |
| 18:26.27 | dpkg | drinks a glass of salty water, sticks his fingers down his throat and throws up or whatever all over jetscreamer and ferret... |
| 18:26.36 | timido | lvh but i need to put my username and password on it though |
| 18:26.36 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 18:27.27 | lvh | timido: are you running a gui on that box, or is it intended as a headless server |
| 18:27.41 | Nik_Doof | mmm aptitude just says it can't match any packages |
| 18:27.45 | dihymo | there's wvdial and others |
| 18:27.50 | timido | lvh I'm running Fluxbox at the moment i want to conect my laptop so i can used it... |
| 18:27.55 | timido | to download packages on it |
| 18:28.03 | jetscreamer | the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly... how nice of etch |
| 18:28.15 | lvh | timido: right. So your laptop connects to your modem over pppoe, the modem connects to the internet? |
| 18:29.04 | timido | yeah lvh |
| 18:29.09 | stew | jetscreamer: are you installing in a chroot? |
| 18:29.15 | timido | is ethernet though. but i need to put the... username and password |
| 18:29.19 | timido | so i can upgrade it |
| 18:29.22 | timido | and download packages |
| 18:29.24 | jetscreamer | stew: yes |
| 18:29.33 | lvh | timido: right, the google keywords you're looking for are: a) pppd b) wvdial |
| 18:29.40 | stew | jetscreamer: it can't figure out a device name for the partition containing /boot |
| 18:29.41 | jetscreamer | what's the factoid, stew? |
| 18:29.44 | stew | dunno |
| 18:29.51 | lvh | timido: there's a kernel component too, but as long as you're running a debian kernel, you will be fine. |
| 18:29.55 | stew | jetscreamer: is /boot a separate partition? |
| 18:29.55 | jetscreamer | hmm |
| 18:29.57 | jetscreamer | no |
| 18:30.03 | jetscreamer | all 1 |
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| 18:30.14 | lvh | timido is a bit timid :( |
| 18:30.26 | xingu | !grubchroot |
| 18:30.26 | dpkg | you'd need to exit chroot, remount / rw, then mount your chroot target, then mount --bind /proc /target/proc, mount --bind /dev /target/dev, then chroot /mnt/point |
| 18:30.50 | jetscreamer | ahh there's that factoid.. thankee xingu |
| 18:31.06 | enouf | jetscreamer: does find /boot/grub/stage1 return anything? |
| 18:31.51 | enouf | !fixmbr |
| 18:31.51 | dpkg | To reinstall boot loader simply boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" Also ask me about <dual boot guide>. |
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| 18:32.59 | keith4 | Nik_Doof: you could do a clever one-liner |
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| 18:33.23 | jetscreamer | /dev/ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0/part1 does not have any corresponding bios drive |
| 18:33.29 | jetscreamer | checks the find |
| 18:33.58 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 18:35.17 | lvh | timido: welcome back |
| 18:35.22 | timido | lvh i do not have wvdial or pppd installed |
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| 18:35.31 | jetscreamer | i installed grub from a floppy once... can't rem exactly how dangit |
| 18:35.49 | lvh | timido: oh, right. May I ask how you're connecting to the internet right now? |
| 18:35.59 | timido | thrue pppo |
| 18:36.15 | lvh | timido: you will *need* pppoeconf and the packages it requires. There are several options. |
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| 18:36.17 | timido | pppoe |
| 18:36.19 | enouf | jetscreamer: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Installing-GRUB-natively.html |
| 18:36.29 | lvh | timido: a) if you have the CD's, it should be on the first because it's a common package. |
| 18:36.38 | lvh | timido: (it's not on the netinstalls/businesscards) |
| 18:36.54 | timido | let me mount the cdrom |
| 18:37.00 | lvh | timido: ok |
| 18:37.25 | timido | lvh how do you mount the cdrom? |
| 18:37.29 | lvh | timido: basically you want the pppoeconf package, that will pull ppp and possibly pppoe |
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| 18:37.44 | lvh | timido: mount /media/cdrom |
| 18:37.49 | lvh | timido: if its a recent lenny. |
| 18:37.54 | timido | hmmm okey |
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| 18:38.39 | lvh | timido: What CD image do you have? |
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| 18:38.43 | vlt | Hello. I'm facing odd network problems. I get "MD5Sum mismatch" from `apt-get`, "Authenticate/Decrypt packet error: packet HMAC authentication failed" and "TLS Error: unknown opcode received from x.x.81.182:1197 op=22" from OpenVPN, three different files when runnning `wget` on the very same URI ... hmmm, any idea where to look first? |
| 18:38.46 | timido | let me do it then |
| 18:39.00 | timido | lvh the netinstal |
| 18:39.03 | timido | *net install |
| 18:39.37 | lvh | timido: that might not have the neccesary packages. netinstall is intended for pc's that install from the network (as the name implies) -- in your case, you're not installing from the network, you're installing over ppp |
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| 18:39.44 | vlt | ... and I forgot: "Disconnecting: Corrupted MAC on input" from `vncviewer -via ssh_host`. |
| 18:39.46 | lvh | timido: you might get lucky, but i doubt it |
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| 18:40.03 | timido | lvh what can i do? |
| 18:40.05 | timido | then? |
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| 18:40.24 | lvh | timido: get the packages on the current pc, put them on the cd, get them off the cd |
| 18:40.32 | timido | ? |
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| 18:40.47 | lvh | timido: you have an internet connection on the pc you're on now |
| 18:40.51 | timido | yeah i do |
| 18:41.02 | lvh | timido: get the packages, put them on the CD, get the CD in the laptop, mount CD, install packages |
| 18:41.17 | lvh | timido: also, next time install from the CD with installgui modules=ppp-udeb |
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| 18:41.29 | lvh | I'm not sure if the netinstall has the pppoe packages or not |
| 18:41.30 | timido | lvh can you give me the link to download the packages? |
| 18:41.35 | lvh | you might get lucky, i dont think so. |
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| 18:41.49 | lvh | where are you from? |
| 18:41.53 | timido | chile |
| 18:42.04 | lvh | is this sarge, etch or lenny? |
| 18:42.08 | lvh | (or, god forbid, sid) |
| 18:42.12 | timido | lenny i believed |
| 18:42.15 | lvh | testing? |
| 18:42.19 | timido | yeah |
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| 18:42.44 | lvh | chile is .cl right |
| 18:42.59 | timido | right |
| 18:43.02 | minerale | how do I flush the cache? I don't have nscd installed at all, do I need to? |
| 18:43.26 | lvh | timido: btw if you want to follow what im doing, http://wiki.debian.org/PPPoE |
| 18:43.50 | timido | lvh when i do mount /media/cdrom i get and error saying mount: no medium found |
| 18:43.52 | timido | any ideas? |
| 18:44.01 | lvh | timido: more than one cd in the drive? |
| 18:44.07 | lvh | errr |
| 18:44.15 | lvh | timido: more than one drive in the box? |
| 18:44.16 | timido | nop |
| 18:44.16 | freeone3000 | installing the `kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4` will be all that's required to get KDE4 running on the machine, yes? |
| 18:44.22 | timido | lvh? |
| 18:44.45 | lvh | timido: more than one removable medium |
| 18:45.02 | lvh | timido: http://debian.ubiobio.cl/debian/pool/main/p/ppp/ppp_2.4.4rel-10_i386.deb |
| 18:45.45 | lvh | timido: http://debian.ubiobio.cl/debian/pool/main/p/pppoeconf/pppoeconf_1.17_all.deb |
| 18:46.07 | timido | that's it? |
| 18:46.21 | lvh | timido: http://ftp.cl.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rp-pppoe/pppoe_3.8-3_i386.deb |
| 18:46.43 | lvh | timido: those 3 should be enough, there's other dependencies but I really cant imagine you've managed to get sed off your system |
| 18:46.48 | lvh | or whiptail for that matter |
| 18:47.09 | lvh | timido: get those three and burn em |
| 18:47.27 | lvh | timido: in the mean while, get another CD so we can figure out what's wrong with your /media/cdrom |
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| 18:47.40 | lvh | timido: no medium found usually means what it says |
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| 18:47.59 | Usiu | liable: when I boot in console keys work |
| 18:48.08 | Usiu | liable: however when X starts they do not |
| 18:48.37 | Penol | how to setup a symblink between /usr/share and /var/www? |
| 18:49.00 | Usiu | stew: As to not working brightness keys, they work in text mode |
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| 18:49.06 | Usiu | stew: in X they do not |
| 18:49.07 | idimmu | Usiu: man ln |
| 18:49.08 | Penol | found it |
| 18:49.14 | timido | lvh can you give me the link so i can download the dvd? |
| 18:49.18 | Usiu | idimmu: ? |
| 18:49.33 | idimmu | if you want to create a symlink |
| 18:49.37 | idimmu | read the man page for the ln command |
| 18:49.49 | lvh | timido: what dvd |
| 18:49.58 | stew | Usiu: yes, i'd assume it is a problem with the driver. i see the same thing here |
| 18:50.05 | timido | dbian dvd |
| 18:50.09 | liable | Usiu: oh, thats actually good news. but i havent ever used any hotkey apps for my thinkpads, just the module and acpi scripts. guess you need to find the offending x app |
| 18:50.14 | idimmu | oh sorry its Penol |
| 18:50.16 | lvh | timido: there are no lenny dvd images afaik? debian-installer rolls DVD's once in a while, but that snot what you want |
| 18:50.35 | timido | oke |
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| 18:50.38 | timido | let me mount it |
| 18:50.50 | lvh | timido: those are weekly snapshots, the reason i took those versions is because I dont want you to run into dependency hell without a working internet connection |
| 18:50.51 | jetscreamer | ftp://chuangtzu.acc.umu.se/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/debian-testing-i386-DVD-1.iso |
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| 18:51.04 | lvh | jetscreamer: weekly snapshot |
| 18:51.07 | jetscreamer | you might try a daily instead though |
| 18:51.18 | jetscreamer | yes that is a weekly |
| 18:51.26 | lvh | jetscreamer: lenny hasn't been released yet last time i checked ;-) |
| 18:51.27 | timido | nice |
| 18:51.30 | freeone3000 | What all is required to switch from KDE 3.5 to KDE4 on debian? I've installed kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 and kdelibs5 |
| 18:51.32 | timido | jetscreamer and those comes with gnome and stuff? |
| 18:51.43 | lvh | timido: the dvd comes with gnome, kde, anything you like. |
| 18:51.44 | jetscreamer | timido: that's beta, but yeah afaik |
| 18:51.51 | jetscreamer | !whats on dvd |
| 18:51.51 | timido | nice |
| 18:51.53 | lvh | timido: most software is on the dvd |
| 18:51.56 | timido | lvh i cannot mount the cdrom |
| 18:52.06 | jetscreamer | i forget the factoid to see exactly what's on a cd/dvd |
| 18:52.14 | lvh | freeone3000: google for "debian kde", first hit, go to kde 4.1, they explain it |
| 18:52.14 | Usiu | liable: hmm maybe I should not enable acpi for it and use native ? |
| 18:52.22 | lvh | timido: dmesg | tail |
| 18:52.28 | freeone3000 | lvh: Kay. |
| 18:52.38 | stew | freeone3000: afaik, kde4 isn't going to be fully available in debian until after lenny releases since lenny is relelasing with 3.5 |
| 18:52.52 | lvh | freeone3000: it says experimental and that's because it is ;-) |
| 18:53.03 | freeone3000 | It works usably on windows. |
| 18:53.08 | tyler | when i send email with the 'mail' command, it says "from user@b07s09mr.corenetworks.net" (my server id is b07s09mr with the company corenetworks.net), the reverse resolve for my ip is lem0n.fadedtrust.net, which also resolves to the ip, the output of "hostname" is "lem0n.fadedtrust.net", so why does it say b07s09mr.corenetworks.net? |
| 18:53.13 | jetscreamer | i haven't been able to test the dvd image, but the cd image borked out for me |
| 18:53.18 | lvh | freeone3000: it works usably on debian too |
| 18:53.26 | lvh | freeone3000: however, if it breaks, you get to keep the pieces |
| 18:53.31 | jetscreamer | hence 'you might want to try a daily' |
| 18:53.46 | freeone3000 | lvh: Just like ususal. :) I run unstable. |
| 18:53.50 | Usiu | liable: thinkpad_acpi: Lenovo BIOS switched to ACPI backlight control mode |
| 18:53.55 | stew | tyler: what is in /etc/mailname ? |
| 18:53.55 | Usiu | liable: do you have the same? |
| 18:54.03 | tyler | lol. |
| 18:54.06 | tyler | thatd be it! |
| 18:54.10 | tyler | where does it get that value? |
| 18:54.11 | lvh | freeone3000: the kde maintainers marked it as experimental so that anyone who isn't smart enough to do apt pinning iwll most likely hose their bo |
| 18:54.14 | lvh | freeone3000: x |
| 18:54.15 | Usiu | liable: I think it works in BIOS mode, not with ACPI |
| 18:54.34 | freeone3000 | lvh: Apt what? |
| 18:54.44 | Usiu | liable: as when everything has started, brightness topped working in text and does not in X |
| 18:54.45 | jetscreamer | !apt-pinning |
| 18:54.45 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
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| 18:54.53 | timido | lvh i cannot mount the cdrom |
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| 18:54.58 | Vasistha | breathes another sigh of relief knowing that lenny will have a nice, polished kde 3.5 |
| 18:55.03 | jetscreamer | timido: try it as root |
| 18:55.13 | timido | i did |
| 18:55.14 | timido | i am root |
| 18:55.21 | jetscreamer | what is your mount command |
| 18:55.23 | liable | Usiu: hehe, i just tried my keys, and they dont work either! :) |
| 18:55.23 | timido | im getthing mount no medium found |
| 18:55.32 | timido | mount /media/cdrom |
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| 18:55.39 | liable | usually leaves it on bright |
| 18:55.51 | stew | yeah, my brightness keys don't work, i never noticed until Usiu mentioned it, since i only ever use xbacklight |
| 18:55.54 | liable | i have absolutely no idea how long thats been broken |
| 18:55.54 | jetscreamer | folow the symlinks and make sur ethey point to the proper /dev entry |
| 18:56.08 | timido | ? |
| 18:56.14 | Usiu | stew: they did work a time ago quite nicely |
| 18:56.42 | jetscreamer | ls -l /media/cdrom and do it to all the targets of the symlinks |
| 18:56.44 | lvh | timido: dmesg | grep medium |
| 18:56.59 | Usiu | stew: I think acpi is broken and does not change brightness anymore.. as when system is booting and still in text mode (still controled by BIOS) it works.. then it switches to ACPI and it does not |
| 18:57.02 | jetscreamer | like that will tell you where cdrom points, then you see where the pointer points... |
| 18:57.04 | timido | lvh nothing appears |
| 18:57.08 | lvh | freeone3000: pinning basically means "get me testing, but get me kde4.1 from experimental and everyting you need to get for that to work" |
| 18:57.28 | lvh | timido: laptop, yes? one drive? |
| 18:57.37 | timido | yes |
| 18:57.40 | lvh | timido: recent? |
| 18:57.45 | timido | reent what? |
| 18:57.48 | timido | *recent what |
| 18:57.49 | lvh | timido: laptop |
| 18:57.55 | jetscreamer | laptop? |
| 18:57.55 | lvh | timido: dmesg | grep scd |
| 18:57.56 | timido | nope is old |
| 18:58.02 | stew | Usiu: when the x driver is running, it is settable by RANDR, i'd guess that the driver is doing something. if i were going to file a bug, i'd probably file it against the x.org driver |
| 18:58.07 | freeone3000 | lvh: Okay, thanks. /etc/apt/preferences doesn't exist. I take it should be created? |
| 18:58.09 | lvh | timido: ah, then try dmesg | grep hdb |
| 18:58.17 | jetscreamer | yes one needs to create it |
| 18:58.20 | abrotman | guess i'll have to try at home .. you guys have the Fn brightness keys right ? |
| 18:58.22 | timido | im getting something like this |
| 18:58.22 | lvh | freeone3000: if it doesnt exist, it pretends its empt |
| 18:58.27 | lvh | freeone3000: *y |
| 18:58.49 | Usiu | stew: hmm I'll try single user and if it works after acpi starts |
| 18:58.50 | freeone3000 | lvh: Okay, thanks. |
| 18:59.01 | timido | ide0: BM-DMA at 0xcff0-0xcff7, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio |
| 18:59.04 | timido | something like that |
| 18:59.24 | stew | Usiu: try just killing X and see if it starts working after the X driver is unloaded |
| 18:59.27 | lvh | timido: then hdb is your cdrom, now try cat /etc/fstab | grep media |
| 18:59.46 | lvh | Someone take over, brb rebooting into a kernel that understands my speedstep |
| 18:59.46 | timido | okey |
| 18:59.59 | freeone3000 | So something like: Package: *kde* Pin: release a=experimental Pin-Priority: 995? |
| 19:00.00 | stew | Usiu: or see if unloading intel_agp makes it work |
| 19:00.08 | stew | freeone3000: don't use experimental |
| 19:00.09 | Usiu | stew: ok |
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| 19:00.36 | Usiu | stew: moreover I have in Bios setting to use graphic instead of VGA to display booting |
| 19:00.36 | stew | Usiu: (just to see where a bug should be filed, obviously neither of these is an acceptable solution) |
| 19:00.44 | jetscreamer | freeone3000: seems to me there's a kde4 repo besides experimental |
| 19:00.52 | Usiu | stew: I am not sure if that might be a problem |
| 19:01.16 | stew | Usiu: i don't know what that means by i doubt it has anything to do with this |
| 19:01.28 | timido | im getting sething like /dev/hdc /media/cdrom udf,iso9660 user,noauto 0 0 and then /dev/fd0 /media/floppy0 auto rw,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 19:01.47 | jetscreamer | timido: well if your cdrom is really hdb ... |
| 19:01.54 | jetscreamer | that would be why |
| 19:02.01 | timido | so how do i mount it? |
| 19:02.25 | jetscreamer | if you know your cdrom is hdb for a fact, nano -w /etc/fstab and change it |
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| 19:02.34 | jetscreamer | ctrl+x to save&exit |
| 19:02.52 | timido | jetscreamer to what? |
| 19:02.59 | jetscreamer | from hdc to hdb |
| 19:03.15 | timido | done |
| 19:03.16 | timido | now what |
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| 19:03.22 | jetscreamer | ctrl+x to save&exit |
| 19:03.26 | jetscreamer | try to mount |
| 19:03.26 | freeone3000 | Hmm. The maintainers say that I needa update my debian packages to experimental. |
| 19:03.37 | freeone3000 | Err. No, they don't. |
| 19:03.37 | jetscreamer | hve fun freeone3000 |
| 19:03.38 | aculich | i'm trying to prevent certain packages from being accidentally installed on my system; is there any way to configure the package system to not install a package even if requested? |
| 19:03.38 | freeone3000 | Wow. |
| 19:04.00 | aculich | using dpkg to set a hold on the package prevents that happening for upgrades |
| 19:04.17 | freeone3000 | Well, it's not like it'll install from expeirmental unless I specifically tell it to. |
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| 19:04.22 | Vasistha | aculich: may I ask why? |
| 19:04.22 | timido | it says something like th when i mount it mount: special device /dev/hdb does not exist |
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| 19:04.27 | timido | any ideas jetscreamer |
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| 19:05.18 | Jester45 | how can i change my mouse's sensitivity without gnome's gui tool |
| 19:05.23 | Jester45 | or kde |
| 19:05.27 | jetscreamer | ls -l /media/cdrom and do it to all the targets of the symlinks |
| 19:05.28 | aculich | vasistha: because i am doing development of some packages on my system, but if those packages exist in the standard install locations then the shared librarys from that package might get picked up |
| 19:05.38 | jetscreamer | like that will tell you where cdrom points, then you see where the pointer points... |
| 19:05.42 | Vasistha | timido: it's actually kind of unusual that a cd drive would be on hdb rather than hdc |
| 19:05.45 | timido | im getthing |
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| 19:05.54 | aculich | it's not a big deal, but if there is an easy way to do it (maybe pin a non-existent old package or something?) |
| 19:06.17 | jetscreamer | ls -l /dev/cd* |
| 19:06.18 | aculich | then i would like to prevent it from happening so it doesn't cause confusion with other developers i'm working with (who may accidentally install the package) |
| 19:06.22 | timido | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root rot 6 2000-05-04 03:23 /media/cdrom -> cdrom0 |
| 19:06.32 | Vasistha | aculich: so what is it you want to prevent from being installed? the packages or the shared libs? |
| 19:06.35 | jetscreamer | is this etch or lenny? |
| 19:06.52 | jetscreamer | ls -l /dev/scd* also |
| 19:07.05 | abrotman | BOO! |
| 19:07.20 | Vasistha | aculich: in either case, I can think of a silly workaround: create an empty package with the same name, install it, and pin the version :) |
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| 19:07.21 | stew | aculich: you could pin it to < 0 (man apt_preferences) |
| 19:07.34 | stew | aculich: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:07.37 | Vasistha | abrotman: AAAH! |
| 19:07.52 | aculich | stew: some debian systems, some ubuntu... version varies |
| 19:07.55 | Vasistha | abrotman: somehow the effect is not the same when there is such a long delay |
| 19:08.06 | aculich | yeah pin < 0 seems like the easiest and most sensible |
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| 19:08.27 | aculich | vasistha: heh, yeah, i thought of that, but that seems like more work than editing a config file |
| 19:08.35 | abrotman | Vasistha: oh well |
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| 19:08.57 | keith4 | when I run ifup eth0, my router becomes unresponsive for about a minute, and then seems fine. dmesg shows this: http://pastebin.com/m79c1dbc3 |
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| 19:09.15 | thechef | I want gxine to play an mp3 file, but it says: xine-lib: error: The xine engine failed to start.: No demuxer found - stream format not recognised. |
| 19:09.26 | rznk | Hello everyone. |
| 19:09.50 | jetscreamer | try mplayer |
| 19:10.03 | aculich | thanks all :) |
| 19:10.16 | freeone3000 | That'll work, but that won't fix the problem... |
| 19:10.45 | freeone3000 | thechef: You're missing a codec library. libmpeg3-1 may help unless xine has something more specific. |
| 19:11.02 | jetscreamer | try xine-check |
| 19:11.03 | thechef | jetscreamer: Actually I have the problem with amarok, but it looks like gxine and amarok can't play the file for the same reason. (and of course mplayer isn't a replacement for amarok :D) |
| 19:11.06 | pickcoder | anyone know why hylafax+ (from SF) has not replaced hylafax.org's sources? |
| 19:11.13 | jetscreamer | iirc it's in the -dev xine package though |
| 19:11.27 | jetscreamer | !find xine-check |
| 19:11.34 | jetscreamer | err |
| 19:11.39 | thechef | thanks freeone3000, i'll try |
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| 19:12.04 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'xine-check' returned no results. |
| 19:12.27 | freeone3000 | Doesn't amarok have an mplayer backend? |
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| 19:12.40 | freeone3000 | UPgrading KDE, or I'd check. |
| 19:12.45 | aculich | yeah, pinning with version < 0 did pretty much exactly what i wanted |
| 19:12.53 | thechef | I can just choose xine |
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| 19:13.49 | Vasistha | is there an iceweasel / firefox keybinding to switch tabs? |
| 19:14.17 | rznk | Vasistha: ctrl + tab I think |
| 19:14.25 | aculich | yeah, ctrl + tab works for me |
| 19:14.35 | Vasistha | not with kde virtual desktops :P |
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| 19:14.43 | asf | DOES ANYONE KNOW A SOLUTION TO WHY A CRUZER 2GB IS HANGING ON BIOS???? IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT BEING DETECTED AS A HARD DRIVE INSTEAD OF A KEY |
| 19:14.47 | Vasistha | oh yeah ... that's why I remapped it in opera |
| 19:15.00 | jelly-hme | asf: please stop shouting. |
| 19:15.00 | Vasistha | asf: can you please retype your question without the caps lock so I can read it? |
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| 19:15.22 | jetscreamer | !lart asf |
| 19:15.22 | dpkg | says "boot to the head" and knocks asf over |
| 19:15.28 | rznk | Vasistha: Maybe KDE already has ctrl + tab reserved? I am not sure. |
| 19:15.35 | simonrvn | !kill asf |
| 19:15.36 | dpkg | rips asf open with a free AOL CD |
| 19:15.47 | jetscreamer | man |
| 19:15.49 | Vasistha | rznk: yeah. sounds like ... more typical custom keybindings |
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| 19:16.03 | jetscreamer | i'm either going to have to buy a cheap nic or just format it as fat |
| 19:16.08 | Usiu | stew: After booting in grub keys work, when kernel starts it does not work.. turnning off acpid acpi-support and unloading thinkpad_acpi does not change anything, however rmmod video ; modprobe video cause brightness to lower video.ko |
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| 19:16.20 | rznk | Vasistha: Openbox stole my alt key, but I can be mad at it. |
| 19:16.49 | Usiu | stew: keys still do not work with or without video.ko |
| 19:16.53 | stew | Vasistha: ctrl+pgup ctrl+pgdn |
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| 19:17.09 | stew | Usiu: are you starting X? |
| 19:17.22 | Usiu | stew: no it was without X |
| 19:17.25 | Vasistha | stew: perfect, thanks! |
| 19:17.26 | Usiu | stew: in single user mode |
| 19:17.52 | PinkFreud | heya folks. Can someone tell me why some (all?) packages in etchnhalf are not making it into Packages.gz? |
| 19:17.54 | stew | Vasistha: also meta+1, meta+2, meta+3, etc |
| 19:18.42 | keith4 | "making it into Packages.gz"? |
| 19:18.46 | PinkFreud | for instance, Debian assures me that http://packages.debian.org/etch/linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 exists (and indeed, the amd64 package does appear to be in the pool) |
| 19:18.47 | thechef | freeone3000: xine-check says "multiple xine executables found" I don't think that's related, but it's the only thing that isn't "good" |
| 19:18.50 | Bogus8 | stew: so, since I have all this zero bite data... is there anyway to keep it and xfer the files without making that null space actually take up real space? |
| 19:19.00 | Vasistha | PinkFreud: I don't have any experience with etchnhalf, but perhaps you need to update your sources.list ? |
| 19:19.03 | PinkFreud | apt-cache, however, will be damned if it can find it. |
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| 19:19.38 | PinkFreud | Vasistha: unless I'm mistaken, those packages should be available via etch in sources.list |
| 19:19.41 | jetscreamer | piss me off :/ |
| 19:19.44 | jetscreamer | bbl |
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| 19:20.36 | Usiu | stew: its probably acpi driver problem I think... |
| 19:20.36 | PinkFreud | Packages.gz most definitely does *not* contain any references to the 2.6.24 xen kernel, either |
| 19:20.48 | Cristatus | hi, i'm having problems starting my bcm4303 wireless pci card, can i get some assistance, please? |
| 19:21.01 | Usiu | stew: <damjan> Usiu: the thing is, thinkpad_acpi removed the old/hackish way of handling the brightness keys |
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| 19:22.06 | thechef | freeone3000: now i solved the problem - too stupid i can't determine now which step solved it: i purged libxine1 and reinstalled it and removed ~/.xine |
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| 19:22.24 | rahsputin | Hi, i am looking for a GUI-based App. to manage my BlueTooth-USBstick ID: 04b4:6830 Cypress Semiconductor Corp. USB 2.0 IDE Adapter |
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| 19:22.29 | keith4 | PinkFreud: you're doing something wrong, because I see linux-image-2.6.24-etchnhalf.1-amd64 just fine in the results of 'apt-cache search etchnhalf' |
| 19:22.42 | Ravn | hey guys, anyone have experience with NVIDA GeForce FX5200. Is it working good with the free drivers? How much helt do I get to play DVD's from it e.g in VLC or mplayer? |
| 19:22.45 | Vasistha | !tell cristatus about broadcom |
| 19:23.18 | keith4 | PinkFreud: what repo are you using? |
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| 19:23.55 | Vasistha | Cristatus: also, you'll probably want to /msg dpkg bcm43xx |
| 19:24.08 | stew | Bogus8: rsync --sparse |
| 19:24.11 | rahsputin | oh, that was the wrong ID... i'll be back later.... got to get the ID info ;D |
| 19:24.19 | keith4 | how do I get dhcpd to stop bitching about not having a definition for the network on eth1? I don't want it to serve on eth1 |
| 19:24.28 | Bogus8 | stew: it hasn't been working but I'll give it a go eitherway... can't hurt I guess |
| 19:24.40 | PinkFreud | keith4: and therein lies my problem. I was looking for a xen image. |
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| 19:24.52 | PinkFreud | You're right, etchnhalf packages do show up. |
| 19:25.06 | keith4 | PinkFreud: iirc, no xen images past 2.6.18 |
| 19:25.12 | PinkFreud | I thought I was looking at a xen package on the debian site. That's what I get for being half asleep. |
| 19:25.44 | Cristatus | Vasistha, the thing is, the network settings application picks up my card, but it can not activate it |
| 19:25.47 | PinkFreud | keith4: still, eh? |
| 19:25.51 | PinkFreud | how annoying. |
| 19:26.04 | keith4 | not sure if anything has changed since last I checked |
| 19:26.11 | PinkFreud | I have newer hardware which requires a driver which wasn't present until 2.6.24. |
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| 19:26.40 | PinkFreud | makes it something of a PITA to run xen on it :) |
| 19:26.51 | keith4 | yep |
| 19:27.49 | keith4 | fwiw, lenny has linux-image-2.6.25-2-xen-686 |
| 19:27.51 | timido | jetscreamer i still cannot mount the cdrom |
| 19:27.55 | keith4 | maybe there's a backport? |
| 19:28.03 | PinkFreud | does it? |
| 19:28.34 | PinkFreud | not in lenny. |
| 19:28.42 | PinkFreud | at least, not in the lenny amd64 repoistory |
| 19:28.52 | dihymo | how do i make luvcvideo use the sv driver not the x11 driver? |
| 19:28.58 | dihymo | er xv |
| 19:29.13 | dihymo | it works but i get false color |
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| 19:29.35 | keith4 | PinkFreud: ah, nope. just for i386 |
| 19:29.39 | rznk | dihymo: Saturated colors? |
| 19:29.44 | keith4 | PinkFreud: and it's backported! |
| 19:29.50 | keith4 | http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/linux-image-2.6.25-2-xen-686 |
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| 19:30.02 | PinkFreud | doesn't help me when I'm running amd64 :) |
| 19:30.16 | PinkFreud | actually, I'd really like to know why there's no amd64 build of that. |
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| 19:30.26 | pickcoder | is there any reason why 2.6.25 wouldn't recognize all 4 ports of a multi-port card while using ttyS0 for an onboard serial port? |
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| 19:30.32 | dihymo | rznk yeah like bright magenta instead of white |
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| 19:30.35 | pickcoder | dmesg is only showing ttyS0-ttyS3 |
| 19:30.48 | pickcoder | but there's actually 5 uarts total |
| 19:30.55 | timido | jetscreamer i still cannot mount the cdrom |
| 19:30.56 | stew | PinkFreud: you need a dom0 kernel, not a domU kenrel, right? |
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| 19:31.19 | PinkFreud | stew: I'll eventually need both, but yes, starting with a dom0 kernel :) |
| 19:31.29 | rznk | dihymo: I think if you hit the reset button in luvcview, the colors should return to normal. |
| 19:31.46 | stew | PinkFreud: then you have to use 2.6.18-4 |
| 19:31.52 | stew | PinkFreud: there is no newer dom0 kernel afaik |
| 19:32.01 | PinkFreud | stew: for x86 there is. |
| 19:32.19 | PinkFreud | stew: as keith4 just pointed out, there's a 2.6.25 kernel for xen |
| 19:32.30 | stew | PinkFreud: thats a domU kernel afaik |
| 19:32.39 | keith4 | ah |
| 19:32.40 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
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| 19:33.14 | PinkFreud | also, as I previously mentioned, I have hardware (onboard nic) for which a driver hadn't appeared until around 2.6.24 |
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| 19:33.55 | PinkFreud | (made installing etch fun on this box. I eventually just had to bite the bullet and install a pci nic for the installation, then compile a new kernel. that was fun.) |
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| 19:34.22 | pickcoder | interesting.. I disabled the onboard uart and all 4 showed up for the fax card |
| 19:34.26 | dihymo | rznk yeah i just spotted that |
| 19:34.39 | jescis | ello all, I'm back >:) |
| 19:34.44 | EvilGuru | I have an 'interesting' problem; I need to power down a debian server of mine, however do not believe it has a power button |
| 19:34.46 | stew | PinkFreud: start here for a very long discussion about Xen support in lenny: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/07/msg00305.html |
| 19:34.50 | keith4 | the dom0 kernel would be called something -vserver, wouldn't it |
| 19:34.51 | pickcoder | I thought the kernel supported ttyS counts higher than 4 |
| 19:34.54 | PinkFreud | however, that means if I go with the 2.6.18 xen dom0 kernel, I'm sol on any network access... which kinda makes it useless. :) |
| 19:35.01 | rznk | dihymo: It worked? |
| 19:35.05 | EvilGuru | Is there any way to halt the system such that I can pull the plug on it |
| 19:35.10 | stew | PinkFreud: but afaik, the long and the short of is that we don't have a newer dom0 kernel becuase xensource hasn't made patches yet |
| 19:35.14 | dihymo | yeah |
| 19:35.15 | keith4 | PinkFreud: but another NIC |
| 19:35.16 | keith4 | buy |
| 19:35.37 | PinkFreud | keith4: I think not. I have a perfectly decent one here. |
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| 19:35.40 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 19:35.41 | rznk | dihymo: Happened to me when I was installing the drivers. It just suddenly got ubersaturated for some reason. |
| 19:36.05 | Ace2016_- | strange, installing lots of fonts seems to slow down linux too, strange |
| 19:36.06 | PinkFreud | it's an intel nic which works just fine... it just didn't exist when 2.6.18 was current. |
| 19:36.13 | rznk | dihymo: Can't complain about a simple fix though, dispite spending ages on it ;) |
| 19:36.30 | dihymo | now to get the audio |
| 19:36.54 | dihymo | is there an app that can record both in separate channels? |
| 19:37.24 | rznk | dihymo: video/audio? |
| 19:37.42 | Usiu | stew: I was told to update bios there is bootable CD that does it |
| 19:37.48 | Usiu | stew: on lenovo site |
| 19:37.48 | hetOrakel | EvilGuru "man shutdown" |
| 19:37.51 | jescis | Was I correct in typing dpkg --reconfigure Xserver-Xorg? or is that wrong? :/ |
| 19:38.04 | dihymo | i suppose avi |
| 19:38.14 | stew | jescis: no, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 19:38.22 | dihymo | maybe i can get xawtv to do it |
| 19:38.34 | jescis | stew, thanks |
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| 19:39.17 | keith4 | is there a way to see what package dependency caused a given package to be installed? |
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| 19:39.43 | rznk | dihymo: Not sure what you mean. To record audio and video to seperate files at the same time? |
| 19:40.12 | dihymo | no to record video and audio to the same file but be able to edit later |
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| 19:40.40 | rznk | dihymo: Oh ok. There I go over complicating things again :-) |
| 19:41.11 | rznk | dihymo: I think you can actually use mplayer to record from /dev/video0. |
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| 19:41.41 | stew | keith4: perhaps "aptitude search '~i~Dxxx'" where xxx is the package in question |
| 19:41.50 | rznk | dihymo: or use a program like cheese to record a simple video. |
| 19:41.58 | Lordek | Sometimes in some oscommerce websites the php5 process takes the 90% CPU indefinitely. When i watch the processes with ps aux or htop i can only see the /usr/bin/php5 but not the .php file that cause this overload. How can i see wich scripts are doing this? |
| 19:42.03 | dihymo | ok cool |
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| 19:42.32 | stew | Lordek: perhaps see what files the php5 process has open |
| 19:42.40 | keith4 | stew: nice! thanks |
| 19:42.48 | Lordek | humm |
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| 19:43.49 | Lordek | stew, i have apache with multisites, i can see wich user exec the php5 process that overload the system... but how can i see the files that this process are using? |
| 19:44.06 | stew | Lordek: with lsof |
| 19:45.03 | LemensTS | if im in 'screen', and i type 'exit' but there is a program being compiled, what happens to that session |
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| 19:45.08 | Lordek | ok, i will try |
| 19:45.10 | Lordek | thnx |
| 19:45.17 | keith4 | LemensTS: don't do that. disconnect from the screen instead |
| 19:45.51 | rznk | LemensTS: It will probably be ended. You could detach the session to leave it running, then reattach it afterwards (I am just learning about screen myself) |
| 19:46.16 | rznk | LemensTS: ctrl+a d to detach |
| 19:46.27 | LemensTS | keith4: rznk: ok that is what i thought i should do. thanks |
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| 19:51.56 | Lordek | stew, i was trying with lsoft... i dont have any manual entry.. there is a arg to show only the files of one pid? (Now i use grep) |
| 19:52.28 | rznk | Are the irc spambots sleeping right now? |
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| 19:52.42 | davi | What does lenny offer which is not in etch? |
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| 19:52.55 | stew | Lordek: lsof not lsoft |
| 19:53.32 | Lordek | :/ thanks i misspelled |
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| 19:55.02 | stew | davi: there are many packages which are in lenny but not etch. most software in both would be newer in lenny, can you be more specific about what you are trying to find out? |
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| 19:57.17 | Nyle | stew, the clustering monkey is nice |
| 19:57.31 | davi | stew, I am just curious about the "advantage" which lenny will offers. The more prominent advantages |
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| 19:57.57 | Radhad8549 | hi |
| 19:58.01 | Nyle | i have nodes so far |
| 19:58.05 | Nyle | 3 |
| 19:58.06 | rznk | Radhad8549: Hello |
| 19:59.01 | Radhad8549 | my hdd on my debian lenny pc makes some squiel noise on read/write operations |
| 19:59.12 | Radhad8549 | can I check the hdd with a tool? |
| 19:59.14 | Jester45 | davi, the way i look at it if you need to upgrade then upgrade. if its just that you want the newer version and dont mind the lost of some stability then go ahead and upgrade |
| 19:59.44 | Jester45 | Nyle making a cluster? |
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| 20:00.06 | Usiu | stew: updated bios, still keys do not work |
| 20:00.09 | yareckon_ | hi guys, I'm working to set up a software raid, and the partitioner sees 4 disks, with the K raid flag set.... |
| 20:00.10 | Nyle | Jester45, yes |
| 20:00.11 | Jester45 | sounds fun i hope once school starts again i can make on at my tech school |
| 20:00.26 | keith4 | Radhad8549: smartmontools? |
| 20:00.31 | Jester45 | all the same machines or diffrent kinds |
| 20:00.42 | Nyle | I had some 1ghz 512gb identical machines, 7 of em, I got 3 out of the storage and clustered em |
| 20:00.51 | Nyle | gonna try and host stuff for a local thingy here |
| 20:00.55 | yareckon_ | when I go into the setup software raid thing, it still sees 4 until I finish, then it gives me the error that I have to few disks (3) for the raid type I want to set up |
| 20:01.11 | Radhad8549 | I will try it |
| 20:01.15 | Jester45 | Nyle, why not get the rest going |
| 20:01.23 | Nyle | not enough room |
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| 20:01.30 | Nyle | my roommate and gf are already kinda pissed |
| 20:01.35 | timido | with the dvd how do you installed packages with apt? |
| 20:01.35 | Nyle | I got 6 machines total in the hosue righ tnow |
| 20:01.38 | Nyle | in my room alone |
| 20:01.41 | Jester45 | would stack them up |
| 20:01.44 | keith4 | yareckon_: and what raid typs is that? |
| 20:01.44 | yareckon_ | so is there a tool on the deb install disk that would tell me what is going on with the partitions? |
| 20:01.45 | keith4 | type |
| 20:01.47 | Nyle | plus heat, and electricity bill |
| 20:01.49 | yareckon_ | raid5 |
| 20:01.52 | helo | AC bill too high? |
| 20:01.57 | Nyle | ohhh yeah |
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| 20:02.06 | keith4 | yareckon_: did you enable a hot spare or something? |
| 20:02.07 | davi | Jester45, I am going to upgrade, thanks |
| 20:02.15 | Banoof | Hi, how can I get debian to reinstall apache2, including config files and all? |
| 20:02.29 | yareckon_ | that would be a no... though I should have a spare if I was starting this project over |
| 20:02.31 | Banoof | I tried apt-get remove/install, but that keeps the old configs, I want fresh ones |
| 20:02.39 | Nyle | Banoof, install --reinstall |
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| 20:02.46 | Nyle | !confmiss |
| 20:02.46 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files (<conffiles>) are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename>; or using aptitude, aptitude -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" reinstall <packagename>; |
| 20:02.47 | keith4 | or --purge when you remove |
| 20:02.49 | Radhad8549 | how can I use smartmontools? daemon is up and running |
| 20:02.53 | yareckon_ | it just doesn't seem to like one of the disks or there is a bug in the menu system |
| 20:02.54 | timido | with the dvd how do you installed packages with apt? |
| 20:02.57 | timido | !dvd |
| 20:02.57 | dpkg | somebody said dvd was use <xine> (xine-ui for X11 or kaffeine for KDE), <vlc> or <ogle> (or okle for KDE, supposed to be inferior to kaffeine) to play video DVDs, or ask me about <decss>, or ask me about <libdvdcss>, or to burn a DVD check <wodim> or <growisofs>. See <dvd playback>, <dvd playback troubleshooting> |
| 20:03.03 | Nyle | sounds like he messed up his config |
| 20:03.03 | keith4 | Radhad8549: man smartctl |
| 20:03.07 | Nyle | thats why he wanted to reinstall |
| 20:03.10 | Radhad8549 | k |
| 20:03.11 | yareckon_ | however this did work on the same machine two weeks ago |
| 20:03.22 | helo | buy one super box and run VMs to replace the machines you can :) |
| 20:03.24 | keith4 | Nyle: nah, he's in #apache. he's missing binaries |
| 20:03.27 | yareckon_ | same install disk even |
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| 20:03.31 | Nyle | oh |
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| 20:03.52 | yareckon_ | I think that one of the disk just isn't right, but I don't know what to look for |
| 20:03.54 | Nyle | then remove em and reinstall the packages |
| 20:03.56 | keith4 | yareckon_: is one of your disks dying or something? check dmesg |
| 20:04.11 | Nyle | keith4, where are keith1-3 |
| 20:04.11 | yareckon_ | ok, will do |
| 20:04.12 | Nyle | ;) |
| 20:04.15 | clueless | this is kind of off topic, but has anyone ever installed a 110 block before? I am trying to get my homenetwork up and these c-clips are impossible to get on |
| 20:04.24 | Jester45 | omg |
| 20:04.24 | keith4 | Nyle: ate 'em |
| 20:04.27 | Nyle | heh |
| 20:04.38 | Jester45 | oopps wrong channel |
| 20:04.39 | helo | for some reason, while i was playing music with amarok, music suddenly stopped playing and now whenever i try to play sound with anything (alsaplayer, etc) i get "snd_pcm_open: Device or resource busy" |
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| 20:04.43 | Nyle | I have assimilated the organs of the previous keiths |
| 20:04.44 | Nyle | hehe |
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| 20:04.56 | Jester45 | helo, close amarok |
| 20:04.58 | Nyle | helo, you have some flash running? |
| 20:05.00 | helo | i tried removing snd_pcm_oss and snd_mixer_oss |
| 20:05.00 | Banoof | hmm |
| 20:05.03 | Banoof | that didn't work |
| 20:05.07 | keith4 | helo: lsof can tell you what has it open |
| 20:05.10 | helo | i closed and reopened amarok |
| 20:05.11 | Nyle | helo, something is using it atm and its locked, some stupid apps do that |
| 20:05.15 | helo | i couldn't find anything in lsof|dsp |
| 20:05.20 | Nyle | helo, it won't help, its not amarok its soemthing else |
| 20:05.21 | keith4 | Banoof: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:05.23 | Nyle | helo, amd64? |
| 20:05.41 | Banoof | keith4: trying to reinstall apache2 with fresh conf files |
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| 20:05.56 | keith4 | apache2.2 ? |
| 20:06.01 | keith4 | there are several pieces |
| 20:06.04 | Banoof | the package name is apache2 |
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| 20:06.12 | Nyle | apache2 shoudl pull it all in |
| 20:06.20 | Radhad8549 | keith4: will smartctl paste the result of the test automatically in console? |
| 20:06.22 | keith4 | Banoof: right, but the conf files are probably part of apache2.2-common |
| 20:06.30 | keith4 | Radhad8549: i don't think so |
| 20:06.44 | Radhad8549 | so it writes a logfile? |
| 20:07.02 | keith4 | Radhad8549: see if there are examples in the man page |
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| 20:07.31 | Banoof | keith4: hmmm... that didn't work either :/ |
| 20:07.32 | yareckon_ | keith4 no help there, so I am rebooting after erasing those partitions |
| 20:07.50 | Nyle | http://www.debian-administration.org/polls/128 <-- check this out hehehe |
| 20:07.53 | yareckon_ | maybe dmesg will pick up on any problems during a reboot |
| 20:07.59 | keith4 | !didn't work |
| 20:07.59 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 20:08.09 | keith4 | heh |
| 20:08.25 | Banoof | yeah yeah... /etc/apache2/ still isn't there :/ |
| 20:08.31 | keith4 | holy crap |
| 20:08.36 | stew | davi: what are you going to use it for? (lenny is not recommended for production systems) |
| 20:08.50 | stew | Banoof: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 20:09.11 | Banoof | stew: I tried that |
| 20:09.19 | davi | stew, my home PC |
| 20:09.24 | keith4 | Banoof: i'm fairly sure the conf stuff is in apache2.2-common |
| 20:09.38 | stew | Banoof: what command did you run? |
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| 20:09.58 | Banoof | all of them |
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| 20:10.04 | stew | Banoof: you ran all the commands? |
| 20:10.05 | yareckon_ | lol |
| 20:10.12 | keith4 | ha |
| 20:11.03 | PinkFreud | fast typer? |
| 20:11.04 | PinkFreud | :P |
| 20:11.13 | Banoof | copy paster, whatever |
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| 20:11.19 | stew | Banoof: what command did you run? |
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| 20:11.36 | Banoof | anyway, now it's there, but it's b0rked |
| 20:11.40 | itrebal | I'm trying to setup SAMBA on this server, and am getting "Failed to modify password entry for user" for only one of the accounts; I have 5 accounts setup to use it, and only one of them is getting this; I can't delete the account or change the password, though I can modify all the tohers; any thoughts? |
| 20:11.48 | Banoof | syntax error o_O |
| 20:11.48 | Banoof | I'll dig into it myself |
| 20:12.41 | helo | i don't have anything else open that is accessing audio... well... pidgin, but i've used it alongside amarok for the last few weeks with both playing sound |
| 20:13.06 | helo | Nyle: nope, 32-bit |
| 20:13.14 | helo | no flash |
| 20:13.14 | stew | helo: how did you check what was accessing audio? |
| 20:13.18 | pickcoder | hah... this Mainpine IQ Express has no port identifiers and they're using 4-pin RJ's with split-cables to give 4 ports |
| 20:13.21 | helo | lsof |grep dsp |
| 20:13.23 | Banoof | what are the chances that the default configuration file is b0rked? |
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| 20:13.30 | keith4 | slim to none |
| 20:13.33 | pickcoder | $1000 and you don't even get an install/wiring guide |
| 20:13.42 | Banoof | Thought as much |
| 20:13.52 | Banoof | Something didn't pass through quite well then |
| 20:13.52 | stew | helo: that would only find oss applications, alsa applications would use be using /dev/snd/* |
| 20:14.18 | helo | what the fuck... evince is using /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 20:14.27 | keith4 | i've had that problem |
| 20:14.41 | keith4 | but with gedit |
| 20:14.48 | helo | lol... just as bad |
| 20:14.55 | rahul | well duh |
| 20:14.59 | Nyle | dude |
| 20:15.01 | Nyle | shush |
| 20:15.06 | rahul | it's a "desktop" application |
| 20:15.13 | rahul | so it must use all the things that are on your desk |
| 20:15.21 | Nyle | rahul, stop talking |
| 20:15.26 | rahul | I'm not talking |
| 20:15.33 | Nyle | heh |
| 20:15.37 | Nyle | pick up your phone |
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| 20:15.44 | rahul | no, I'm not talking |
| 20:16.07 | Nyle | its ok, i allow you now |
| 20:16.34 | Banoof | http://pastebin.ca/1092803 |
| 20:16.40 | helo | can we recompile evince without audio support please? |
| 20:16.42 | Banoof | can you make anything out of this? Doesn't make any sense it all... |
| 20:17.17 | keith4 | yes |
| 20:17.25 | nareshov | # |
| 20:17.25 | nareshov | Starting web server (apache2)...Syntax error on line 141 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: |
| 20:17.28 | nareshov | # |
| 20:17.29 | keith4 | run "a2enmod authz_host" |
| 20:17.31 | nareshov | Invalid command 'Order', perhaps misspelled or defined by a module not included in the server configuration |
| 20:17.34 | nareshov | # failed! |
| 20:17.37 | nareshov | ? |
| 20:18.02 | Banoof | why would that happen after a fresh installation of all of the conf files? |
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| 20:18.24 | Banoof | specifically, after removing apache2 and apache2.2-common and deleting /etc/apache2 |
| 20:18.52 | stew | Banoof: what command did you run to reinstall all of the conf files? |
| 20:19.07 | Banoof | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 |
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| 20:19.20 | stew | Banoof: the conf files are in the apache2.2-common package, not the apache2 package |
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| 20:20.01 | yareckon_ | yet they still should live in the /etc/apache2 though..... how is what he did different than a purge |
| 20:20.01 | pickcoder | nareshov: order is only allowed in <Directory> context and .htaccess |
| 20:20.11 | pickcoder | looks like a bad config |
| 20:20.29 | stew | yareckon_: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:20.37 | keith4 | Order has been deprecated in mod_access, apparently, and moved to mod_authz_host |
| 20:20.41 | stew | pickcoder: the problem is that he has nothing in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled |
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| 20:21.00 | keith4 | but authz_host should be enabled by default. yah, what stew said |
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| 20:21.15 | Ryushin | So maybe I'm just not seeing it, but doing the expert install for etch-R4 does not give me the option to install the etch-and-a-half 2.6.24 kernel. Even after installing it, doing a apt-cache search "linux-image*" does not show the 2.6.24 either. What am I missing? |
| 20:21.23 | Folk_Theory | yo what up guys |
| 20:21.29 | Folk_Theory | i upgraded to KDE 4.1.1 |
| 20:21.33 | Folk_Theory | i must say it rocks |
| 20:21.52 | nareshov | hm |
| 20:22.04 | Banoof | something's weird |
| 20:22.04 | LemensTS | ryushin: apt-cache policy i think |
| 20:22.12 | pickcoder | I don't see how that could happen unless A) the install was killed B) the install is from a buggy release |
| 20:22.12 | yareckon_ | thanks stew, informative |
| 20:22.16 | ixnay | Anyone here have set up mod_suexec ? |
| 20:22.32 | ixnay | I don't quite get what I must do in order to make it work. |
| 20:22.49 | stew | pickcoder: the install was killed |
| 20:22.51 | yareckon_ | ah ixnay, I've had that problem before.... unfortunately haven't had the solution :( |
| 20:22.59 | ixnay | arch |
| 20:23.03 | pickcoder | nice |
| 20:23.05 | stew | pickcoder: well in the sense that he removed the entire apache2 directory, which includes mods-enabled |
| 20:23.12 | Banoof | keith4: It seems that the loaded modules config is externel to both packages |
| 20:23.16 | stew | pickcoder: and only partially restored /etc/apache2 |
| 20:23.21 | pickcoder | oh |
| 20:23.26 | stew | Banoof: its not |
| 20:23.28 | keith4 | Banoof: no |
| 20:23.28 | Banoof | Now I get the same error regarding the "TypesConfig" command |
| 20:23.46 | Banoof | I tried reinstalling again, and it didn't rollback to the original "Order" error |
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| 20:23.59 | stew | Banoof: what command did you use to reinstall this time? |
| 20:24.04 | Banoof | Same one |
| 20:24.11 | pickcoder | Banoof: do you have your vhosts backed up? |
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| 20:24.14 | stew | Banoof: it won't work for the same reason as last time then |
| 20:24.16 | pickcoder | or is this a new setup |
| 20:24.27 | Banoof | I have a backup of my vhosts |
| 20:24.28 | stew | Banoof: which is that you aren't reinstalling the package that actually owns the config |
| 20:24.31 | Banoof | It's a testing server anyway |
| 20:24.33 | pickcoder | why not purge apache |
| 20:24.37 | pickcoder | and just reinstall it |
| 20:24.44 | stew | or just reinstall it |
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| 20:24.46 | Banoof | stew: I now, but which one is it? |
| 20:24.51 | abrotman | pickcoder: he'd still be killing the wrong package |
| 20:25.00 | stew | Banoof: you've been told at least 3 times that it is apache2.2-common |
| 20:25.15 | keith4 | heh |
| 20:25.22 | Banoof | stew: And I've been telling you at least 4 times that I've reinstalled it at least 5 times within the last 6 minutes :/ |
| 20:25.40 | keith4 | just keep removing and purging anything that has 'apache2' in the name |
| 20:25.47 | keith4 | you'll find it eventually |
| 20:25.53 | yareckon_ | Banoof, do the practical thing, fly stew out to help |
| 20:25.58 | Folk_Theory | join #kde |
| 20:26.10 | Folk_Theory | lol oops |
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| 20:26.43 | freeone3000 | Aptitude says that the best solution to installing KDE4 is removing KDE4. |
| 20:26.51 | freeone3000 | That's like. Zen, man. |
| 20:26.55 | Folk_Theory | freeone: what repos you got enabled? |
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| 20:27.05 | rznk | freeone3000: lol |
| 20:27.08 | freeone3000 | Folk_Theory: Debian standard and using the experimental ones for this command. |
| 20:27.13 | Ryushin | LemensTS: apt-cache policy gives me a list of the package pin levels and that is fine which is all set at 500. I still don't know how to install the etch-and-a-half kernel. Please see: http://www.debian.org/News/2008/20080726 |
| 20:27.13 | Folk_Theory | you need BOTH sid and experimental |
| 20:27.21 | amphi | freeone3000: welcome to the Gateless Gate ;) |
| 20:27.23 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: you can't run experimental on things which are not sid. |
| 20:27.26 | freeone3000 | Folk_Theory: I usually run unstable. |
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| 20:27.31 | Folk_Theory | just make sure no matter what dont run apt-get upgrade! |
| 20:27.34 | freeone3000 | If unstable == sid, then yes, I'm running sid. |
| 20:27.40 | Folk_Theory | ooo ok then |
| 20:27.45 | Folk_Theory | yes |
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| 20:27.46 | Banoof | Ouf, any other thing I can do? |
| 20:27.52 | dondelelcaro | freeone3000: then pick a different solution than the default |
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| 20:28.07 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: All solutions say that's the best choice. |
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| 20:28.27 | freeone3000 | dondelelcaro: It cannot find a way to satisfy 'aptitude -t experimental install kde4' without removing KDE4. |
| 20:28.34 | freeone3000 | So. Off to KDE. |
| 20:29.15 | stew | Banoof: no, you said you reinstalled apache2 not apache2.2-common |
| 20:30.08 | Jester45 | i dont like kde4 as much as 3 |
| 20:30.11 | Folk_Theory | yo any of you know why extragear-plasma cant be installed from either sid or exp? |
| 20:30.28 | thechef | How can I update an entry in ~/.ssh/known_hosts? |
| 20:30.36 | dondelelcaro | thechef: use ssh-keygen |
| 20:30.39 | stew | thechef: you can remove it with "ssh-keygen -R hostname" |
| 20:30.53 | pickcoder | or use vi... |
| 20:30.54 | stew | thechef: (and then let it be readded the next time you connect) |
| 20:31.08 | thechef | stew, thanks |
| 20:31.11 | Jester45 | lol im lasy i just rm it then accept the new one |
| 20:31.13 | dondelelcaro | vi doesn't work so well, because of hostname hashing |
| 20:31.23 | pickcoder | dondelelcaro: I do it all the time |
| 20:31.35 | pickcoder | sometimes it works |
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| 20:31.39 | pickcoder | heh |
| 20:31.54 | Folk_Theory | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.00 | stew | when it complains about a changed hostname, it DOES give you a line number, but its IMO much easier to just remove it with ssh-keygen |
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| 20:32.14 | thechef | Other question: How can I force ssh to ignore known_hosts once? |
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| 20:32.55 | freeone3000 | It's working! For some value of working. |
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| 20:33.18 | freeone3000 | Slow, even more errors in console than KDE3.5, but it's pretty. |
| 20:33.27 | Banoof | stew: I'm sorry if I misinformed you, I reinstalled both |
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| 20:34.21 | stew | thechef: you can specify an option on the command line with -o, "man ssh_config" for the possible options, there are options for host key checking |
| 20:34.28 | Banoof | anyway to just totally remove anything apache from my system? |
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| 20:34.48 | pickcoder | Banoof: how did you reinstall the common package? |
| 20:35.09 | Banoof | pickcoder: the same way, apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common |
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| 20:35.36 | Banoof | BTW, /etc/apache2 and all of it's contents are created upon the installation of apache2, not the commons |
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| 20:36.26 | pickcoder | Banoof: and you got no errors from the reinstall? |
| 20:36.32 | Banoof | nope |
| 20:36.39 | Banoof | I'll try it again... |
| 20:36.49 | pickcoder | mods-enabled is still empty? |
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| 20:37.13 | Banoof | yup |
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| 20:37.25 | pickcoder | is there anything in mods-available |
| 20:37.32 | Banoof | accept cgid, and this authz_host |
| 20:37.39 | Banoof | yup |
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| 20:37.46 | Banoof | pretty much everything I need |
| 20:38.16 | pickcoder | just activate the ones you need |
| 20:38.42 | Banoof | any list of ones that should be loaded by default? |
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| 20:39.04 | Banoof | I don't want to just randomly enable them, that might be just a little but insecure |
| 20:39.06 | pickcoder | mime, env, dir, cgi, auth_basic, authn_file, authz_default, authz_groupfile, authz_host, authz_user, autoindex |
| 20:39.20 | pickcoder | negotiation |
| 20:39.51 | pickcoder | alias |
| 20:39.53 | pickcoder | and actions |
| 20:40.02 | keith4 | maybe autoindex, too |
| 20:40.07 | pickcoder | I listed that |
| 20:40.11 | keith4 | oh yah |
| 20:40.16 | pickcoder | setenvif |
| 20:40.22 | pickcoder | just in case |
| 20:41.04 | Banoof | phew |
| 20:41.05 | pickcoder | if you have php5-apache install you'll need to renabled it |
| 20:41.06 | Banoof | it's running |
| 20:41.09 | pickcoder | renable |
| 20:41.20 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 20:41.32 | pickcoder | typing horrid today |
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| 20:43.31 | yareckon_ | keith, so with process of elimination, I've determined that one of my drives is wonky, So will try with another drive (luckily have identical one lying around) |
| 20:43.47 | yareckon_ | keith4, rather |
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| 20:48.36 | dfm_ | hi! what is the fastest way to determine the number of files on an ext3 partition? a "find / | wc -l" would do the trick, but is there some analyzing tool that can do it faster? |
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| 20:50.08 | Tramp | dfm_: df -i gives you the used inodes, which is an approximation - but so is your "find /" command |
| 20:50.41 | n3kl | inodes will also list links and directories |
| 20:50.55 | dfm_ | thanks! |
| 20:50.55 | Tramp | n3kl: so does his "find /..." |
| 20:51.00 | n3kl | yeah |
| 20:51.58 | dfm_ | i basically want to determine the average file size of my root partition so i can make an educated guess on what stripe-size (raid5) would fit. |
| 20:52.43 | ezguy | will rsync work on window partition as far as preserving files/dirs ownership and premission settings? |
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| 20:53.05 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
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| 20:53.31 | Folk_Theory | yo |
| 20:54.07 | manu_hack | hi, just want to make sure, the only way to go back to 32bit version from 64bit is to reinstall? |
| 20:54.37 | Gnurdux | why go back? |
| 20:54.59 | n3kl | ezguy: man rsync. -p preserves permissions |
| 20:55.13 | n3kl | manu_hack: yes |
| 20:55.25 | manu_hack | well, it's a laptop, and the wireless needs ndiswrapper where 32 bit version is available |
| 20:55.53 | uzbek | i wanted to upgrade mplayer but broke it. Now im getting these errors and mplayer isn't working :) http://dpaste.com/69390/ http://dpaste.com/69389/ |
| 20:55.55 | manu_hack | thx n3kl |
| 20:55.55 | n3kl | manu_hack: I avoid 64bit on desktop/laptop machines |
| 20:56.00 | n3kl | np |
| 20:56.18 | ezguy | n3kl: rsync -av options |
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| 20:56.29 | manu_hack | n3kl: at first I just wanted to try, now I end up going back, lol |
| 20:56.56 | n3kl | ezguy: read the manpage. That will no save your permissions |
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| 20:57.27 | n3kl | ezguy: for an exact copy, I like auzSPp |
| 20:57.43 | stew | manu_hack: which wireless chipset? is there not a native linux driver at all? |
| 20:58.04 | n3kl | uzbek: apt-get remove mplayer && apt-get -f install |
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| 20:58.15 | DawnLight | wtf does klaptopdaemon do to suspend my laptop? i know it doesn't launch s2ram because that would've also turn off the backlight |
| 20:58.36 | uzbek | n3kl apt-get remove mplayer is giving the same error |
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| 20:58.51 | n3kl | uzbek: what release? |
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| 20:59.15 | uzbek | debian or mplayer? |
| 20:59.39 | n3kl | debian |
| 20:59.47 | slhsen | Hi. I cant use flash plug-in on iceweasel on lenny. Non of the packages i installed seemed to work. I tried flashplayer-mozilla, gnash, and binary plugin from adobe. Do you have any idea |
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| 20:59.56 | uzbek | n3kl, lenny |
| 21:00.19 | n3kl | slhsen: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 21:00.41 | DawnLight | slhsen: uninstall the adobe thing |
| 21:00.44 | n3kl | uzbek: I think I had this same problem when I upgraded |
| 21:00.52 | slhsen | n3kl: I think i tried it too |
| 21:00.54 | Tramp | n3kl: rsync -a implies -p |
| 21:01.09 | rznk | slhsen: I think Gnash is available, I haven't tried it though. |
| 21:01.13 | uzbek | n3kl, i hope you solved it ;) |
| 21:01.25 | n3kl | Tramp: glad you are reading =] |
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| 21:01.43 | n3kl | uzbek: so see the shiz on the right that sais "which is also in package..." |
| 21:01.45 | n3kl | ? |
| 21:01.55 | n3kl | uzbek: I removed those packages, carefully |
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| 21:02.26 | uzbek | ok, i'll do the same then n3kl |
| 21:02.26 | n3kl | uzbek: as long as those are not dependencies of anything major, you can remove them cleanly, then apt-get remove mplayer && apt-get -f install |
| 21:02.35 | slhsen | rznk: I've tried it. no luck. I will try them one by one again but ... |
| 21:02.39 | n3kl | uzbek: carefull not to fsck it up |
| 21:02.59 | uzbek | n3kl, thanx, |
| 21:03.09 | n3kl | sure |
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| 21:03.46 | rznk | slhsen: Does the plugin work in iceape? Or perhaps Opera is you run it. |
| 21:03.52 | uzbek | but i didn't get 'removing them carefully', im gonna do just apt-get remove package name, is there a safer way than this? n3kl |
| 21:03.53 | n3kl | uzbek: I was told that the reason this happened is because I was using the debian-multimedia, and the package in there have different dependencies |
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| 21:04.34 | n3kl | uzbek: no thats good, just make sure that it doesn't say, "btw, I am going to remove these 50 other packages just because I feel like it", ya follow? |
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| 21:04.37 | Tramp | n3kl: <ezguy> n3kl: rsync -av options <n3kl> ezguy: read the manpage. That will no save your permissions <-- ?? |
| 21:04.41 | pablo__ | hi, is it checked that all files istalled by a deb package are removed when i purge remove that package? or it may leave some files? |
| 21:04.46 | slhsen | rznk: no i havent tried on them |
| 21:04.48 | uzbek | n3kl, ok, now i got it :) |
| 21:05.05 | Banoof | okie, I got it to work, thanks for your help stew, keith4 |
| 21:05.23 | n3kl | Tramp: yeah, like I said, I am glad you are reading. I didn't know that the a would saver permissions. I appologize for giving your false information. |
| 21:05.44 | rznk | Got to run. A pleasure as always ladies and gents. |
| 21:05.46 | Pavl1 | hi |
| 21:05.55 | n3kl | !greet Pavl1 |
| 21:05.55 | dpkg | Gr33tz, Pavl1 |
| 21:06.07 | Pavl1 | i now available |
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| 21:06.22 | abrotman | pablo__: if the package generates files via script, they may not get removed .. it will remove all files listed in the foo.list and foo.conffiles |
| 21:06.26 | slhsen | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 21:06.26 | slhsen | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 21:06.26 | slhsen | is only available from another source |
| 21:06.27 | stew | pablo__: it is not strictly checked for files which might have been generated by a package post-install, but in general, files SHOULD not be left behind. if they are being left behind, you might consider filing a bug |
| 21:06.30 | Pavl1 | the project of madwifi called ath9k |
| 21:06.48 | Pavl1 | enterely GNU General Public License |
| 21:07.42 | uzbek | E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 21:07.42 | uzbek | E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it? |
| 21:07.50 | pablo__ | stew: great thanks |
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| 21:07.55 | uzbek | how to get rid of them? |
| 21:07.55 | pablo__ | abrotman: thanks |
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| 21:08.00 | n3kl | uzbek: you have dpkg running twice |
| 21:08.15 | uzbek | no, i have one, it is strange |
| 21:08.31 | n3kl | uzbek: are you root? |
| 21:08.33 | stew | uzbek: then some other process such as aptitude or apt-get or dpkg-reconfigure or debconf... |
| 21:08.35 | zxd | aren't display managers like any other X client? why does it need XDMCP protocol to transport it to a remote X server? |
| 21:08.36 | jason101 | hello i just downloaded some extra RAM and then my computer broke :( how do I know if it is the right RAM and remove the bad RAM? i was at ubunto and gento and they did not no help me please!! |
| 21:08.39 | uzbek | yes n3kl |
| 21:08.49 | n3kl | uzbek: listen to stew |
| 21:09.03 | Pavl1 | i created the channel #ath9k that first was not available and i putted it to disposition of any desire to work on ath9k |
| 21:09.12 | stew | jason101: does this question have anything to do with debian? |
| 21:09.21 | n3kl | I want more ram, where can I download it? |
| 21:09.25 | Pavl1 | enjoy yourself with free software on ath9k chipset |
| 21:09.32 | stew | Pavl1: do you have a debian related question? |
| 21:09.42 | jason101 | n3kl i got an email offer |
| 21:09.43 | n3kl | jacek341: this is not the place, check your hadrware manual |
| 21:09.47 | uzbek | stew, just one console is open, but i did apt-get update. Is it possible that apt-get update is working in the background? |
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| 21:10.02 | jason101 | but now some1 said theres lots of differant RAMs |
| 21:10.07 | stew | uzbek: did the "apt-get update" process finish? |
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| 21:10.28 | uzbek | stew, yes, but with the error above |
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| 21:10.33 | stew | jason101: if you have a hardware related question ask #hardware. this channel is for end-user support of the debian operating system |
| 21:10.50 | stew | uzbek: then some other package management related process is running |
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| 21:11.53 | davi | I just upgraded to lenny, and now my PC is a lot quicker, and I have not rebooted yet! |
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| 21:12.34 | n3kl | good, sounds like you benefited from the newer kernels |
| 21:12.44 | stew | not without rebooting |
| 21:12.50 | n3kl | er, yeah |
| 21:13.08 | pickcoder | wonders how you download hardware |
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| 21:13.13 | freeone3000 | pickcoder: VMware. |
| 21:13.14 | stew | probably benefitted from some processes being killed. or benefitted from a placebo syndrome |
| 21:13.17 | n3kl | piju-: me too |
| 21:13.32 | n3kl | pickcoder: er, ^^ |
| 21:13.35 | davi | stew, n3kl, Yes I, have not rebooted yet! |
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| 21:13.45 | Juls | Hi people! |
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| 21:13.50 | n3kl | davi: yeah, I got that, freaking wonderful |
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| 21:14.09 | abrotman | people?! where?!!? |
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| 21:14.21 | n3kl | just bots here |
| 21:14.21 | uzbek | n3kl, no, i even can't remove them, mencoder depends on it, i couldn't remove mencoder either :( |
| 21:14.28 | pickcoder | abrotman: in soylent green! |
| 21:14.36 | davi | stew, so my wife has the same placebo too. Maybe some process killed as you exposed... |
| 21:14.39 | abrotman | ew .. clean up after your self |
| 21:14.40 | n3kl | uzbek: why cant' you remove mencoder? |
| 21:14.43 | DawnLight | i'm a people |
| 21:14.49 | Juls | hmm soylent green |
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| 21:15.00 | n3kl | yum |
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| 21:15.17 | davi | stew, kde is a lot more responsive |
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| 21:15.35 | uzbek | n3kl, the whole process http://dpaste.com/69392/ |
| 21:15.55 | Juls | I'm looking for a start point to create a ncruse style prompt to configure a package, 'was wondering if someone could point me to a good tutorial or something to start with |
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| 21:16.09 | abrotman | uzbek: paste your sources.list |
| 21:17.28 | stew | Juls: i'd recommend looking at some other package you want to emulate, specifically the .config and .postinst files |
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| 21:17.37 | Juls | stew, right good point |
| 21:17.37 | uzbek | http://dpaste.com/69393/ abrotman sources |
| 21:17.38 | abrotman | uzbek: have you tried an `aptitude update` lately ? |
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| 21:17.42 | uzbek | abrotman, apt-get update yes |
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| 21:17.48 | uzbek | several times ;) |
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| 21:19.23 | zxd | what's is faster to pipe CLients to a remote X server , or connect to connect to a remote server using VNC with X server and client on the same machine ? |
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| 21:19.39 | Pokmonly | GET 200$ for free....play poker for free....http://pokmonly.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:19.39 | Pokmonly | GET 200$ for free....play poker for free....http://pokmonly.blogspot.com/ |
| 21:19.56 | xingu | zxd: depends on round trip delay mostly |
| 21:19.57 | jason101 | free poker |
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| 21:20.33 | pickcoder | get $200 for free and then get taking to the cleaners when they empty your account |
| 21:20.40 | pickcoder | s/taking/taken |
| 21:22.01 | zxd | xingu: not bandwidth? |
| 21:22.33 | xingu | zxd: rarely |
| 21:22.56 | abrotman | uzbek: when is the last time you did a dist-upgrade? |
| 21:23.11 | uzbek | abrotman, long time ago |
| 21:23.16 | zxd | xingu: but it's sending the whole client output via a remote X server no? |
| 21:23.32 | zxd | xingu: vs vnc is only sending screenshots |
| 21:23.37 | abrotman | uzbek: might have something to do with it |
| 21:23.56 | uzbek | abrotman, should i do dist-upgrade? |
| 21:23.57 | xingu | zxd: I mean maybe if you have an 8kbit service delivered over a 45MHz clock it might start to concern you, but sufficient bandwidth (for acceptable x11) is usually reached before acceptable round trip delay. |
| 21:23.57 | pickcoder | uzbek: what does /etc/debian_version tell you |
| 21:24.01 | drazak | win 20 |
| 21:24.02 | zxd | xingu: XDMCP is the first option |
| 21:24.42 | abrotman | uzbek: try it .. how many packages does it say it's going to upgrade? |
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| 21:24.53 | uzbek | -su: /etc/debian_version: Permission denied |
| 21:24.53 | uzbek | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.16 | pickcoder | it's a text file |
| 21:25.22 | pickcoder | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 21:25.41 | xingu | zxd: the real problem with x11 is that it tends toward serial (event) delivery - so you're rapidly constrained by how quickly you can signal "yeah, done that" back to the client. |
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| 21:25.47 | abrotman | he's pointing at lenny .. i'd hope it says testing/unstable |
| 21:25.59 | pickcoder | 3.0 will be scary |
| 21:26.04 | themill | (or lenny/sid) |
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| 21:26.09 | abrotman | whichever! |
| 21:26.19 | abrotman | don't pick on me because i'm a sox fan! |
| 21:27.10 | RasmusKiller | =| |
| 21:27.10 | uzbek | 815 upgraded, 112 newly installed, 13 to remove and 1 not upgraded. |
| 21:27.10 | uzbek | 9 not fully installed or removed. |
| 21:27.10 | uzbek | Need to get 900MB/901MB of archives. |
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| 21:27.16 | abrotman | uzbek: uhm .. that's a huge deal .. if you're going to run testing, you should normally keep up on new packages |
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| 21:28.02 | zxd | xingu: do you know if i need a working xorg.conf on the machine with the display manager XDMCP ? |
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| 21:28.33 | uzbek | abrotman, i can do dist-upgrade, but it is very late now, i'm going to bed. abrotman stew n3kl thanx guys |
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| 21:28.51 | eptalon | heyas |
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| 21:28.59 | pickcoder | uzbek: what is in debian_version?? |
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| 21:29.39 | uzbek | -su: /etc/debian_version: Permission denied pickcoder |
| 21:29.46 | eptalon | Any suggestions on what I need (as services) for a general-purpose file and audio server that works from both linux and windows clients. |
| 21:29.53 | eptalon | NFS and samba? |
| 21:30.05 | uzbek | pickcoder, but i guess it is lenny |
| 21:30.11 | pickcoder | uzbek: are you trying to cat it? |
| 21:30.13 | pickcoder | or run it |
| 21:30.30 | pablo__ | hi, if a package has an unnecessary dependency as required but it doesnt even should appear in requiered or suggested, should i report it or send an email to mainteiners or leave it like that? |
| 21:30.36 | uzbek | :) sorry, lenny/sid |
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| 21:30.44 | eptalon | /etc/debian-version is a text file |
| 21:30.45 | uzbek | pickcoder, i wanted to run it |
| 21:30.57 | stew | pablo__: you'd report it to the bts: /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 21:30.58 | uzbek | yeah, now i know eptalon |
| 21:31.00 | uzbek | :) |
| 21:31.06 | stew | pablo__: what is the unecessary dependency? |
| 21:31.16 | eptalon | pablo__: report it; ideally with bugreport |
| 21:31.26 | uzbek | pickcoder, thanx |
| 21:31.30 | eptalon | reportbug, rather. |
| 21:31.38 | uzbek | see you guys! good night! |
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| 21:33.11 | pablo__ | stew: mm one example libesd0 in nautilus package |
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| 21:34.59 | martijn81 | will 4.2 get in sid? |
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| 21:35.39 | martijn81 | KDE 4.2 that is |
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| 21:35.45 | themill | no |
| 21:36.23 | themill | martijn81: not much of KDE4 will get into sid until after lenny is released. Since KDE4.2 is a long way off anyway, it's most certainly not going into sid any time soon. |
| 21:36.32 | pablo__ | stew: ok thanks |
| 21:36.34 | stew | pablo__: that one is required |
| 21:37.05 | martijn81 | themill: well, i personally hope they wait as long as possible |
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| 21:37.09 | martijn81 | i like kde3 too much |
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| 21:37.36 | pablo__ | stew: mm i checked it with th source and i dont thik so |
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| 21:38.57 | stew | pablo__: what does "ldd /usr/bin/nautilus | grep libesd" return? |
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| 21:42.22 | pablo__ | stew: xD, i was compiling 2.22 |
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| 21:44.46 | Meshezabeel | is there a good easy to follow resource available that explains how to set up raid1 on SATA disks? I have read that there are problems with grub and swap, but have not been able to find a simple step by step approach to dealing with SATA RAID setup. |
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| 21:45.07 | dondelelcaro | Meshezabeel: it's the same thing as any other setup |
| 21:45.07 | Meshezabeel | sorry for repeating, just realized there was a netsplit |
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| 21:45.49 | dondelelcaro | Meshezabeel: you just do a small raid1 partition for /boot, and then do whatever you want with the rest |
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| 21:46.46 | Meshezabeel | hmm, I have read on some sites that if one disk dies then grub will have problems loading on the other disk |
| 21:47.01 | dondelelcaro | Meshezabeel: not if you've configured it properly |
| 21:47.20 | dondelelcaro | Meshezabeel: you just use raid1 for boot, and set up grub on each of the drives |
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| 21:47.58 | Meshezabeel | dondelelcaro, so how do I set up grub on each of the drives? will the debian installer do it? |
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| 21:54.16 | _ZeuZ_ | Meshezabeel, yes, it will set it up good enough for you to choose |
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| 22:03.38 | vassler | hello, are there any options or settings i can make for my desktop in debian? |
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| 22:05.40 | greeg | hi |
| 22:06.02 | greeg | if i have libglib2.0-0 is it safe to remove libglib1.2 ? |
| 22:06.07 | vassler | is there any desktop effects using debian? anyone!@? |
| 22:06.15 | stew | vassler: can you be more specific? |
| 22:06.16 | yareckon_ | vassler, ar you running gnome or kde or other desktop environment? |
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| 22:06.34 | vassler | gnome i think?! |
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| 22:07.22 | yareckon_ | if you go to the menu labelled system you can find control information under preferences and administration |
| 22:07.37 | yareckon_ | administration requires root or sudo priviledges to change |
| 22:08.06 | yareckon_ | you can also install the package gnome-control-center (I think) that will allow you to change everything in one place |
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| 22:09.35 | itrebal | is there areason that php5 depends on apache2-mpm-prefork? PHP's install notes say it requires apache2-mpm-worker |
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| 22:11.15 | stew | greeg: you can try to remove it and see what it wants to take with it. not many things should be compiled against glib1.2 anymore. it's not the case that just installing one will replace the other, moving from 1.2 to 2.0 requires source code to be changed |
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| 22:12.40 | pappanz | hello. i am using debian lenny with xfce4. when i plug-in my maxtor usb disk (500G), i get the message "unable to open directory 'disk'. permission denied." i have tried chown/chmod the mountpoint without success. what can i do? |
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| 22:14.47 | pappanz | ops. i forget to say it's a ntfs device. |
| 22:18.28 | yareckon_ | dunno much about ntfs, but a) do you have the ntfs filesystem support, and b) could the disk filesystem be "dirty" in the sense of having been removed uncleanly from a windows machine |
| 22:18.29 | yareckon_ | ? |
| 22:18.48 | stew | pappanz: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
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| 22:19.49 | jetscreamer | last time i bought the cheapest nic i could find, it was 10 bucks. this time it cost the same a 3 double cheeseburgers from mickey d's |
| 22:19.58 | jetscreamer | 3.25 with tax |
| 22:21.20 | vassler | where is the sudoer file? |
| 22:21.55 | Nyle | jetscreamer, hey |
| 22:22.03 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I am going to put a domain name I just bought on your server |
| 22:22.05 | Nyle | jetscreamer, msg |
| 22:22.17 | stew | vassler: man sudoers |
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| 22:24.39 | bolt | !fuck |
| 22:24.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fuck is cool |
| 22:24.54 | vassler | !blow |
| 22:24.54 | dpkg | blows vassler |
| 22:25.00 | vassler | lol |
| 22:25.07 | bolt | botpr0n |
| 22:25.24 | vassler | !do me |
| 22:25.24 | dpkg | does vassler |
| 22:25.36 | vassler | !eat a carrot |
| 22:25.36 | dpkg | eats a carrot, *CHOMP* *CHOMP* *CHOMP* |
| 22:25.37 | bolt | hey! |
| 22:25.38 | themill | vassler: enough |
| 22:25.39 | bolt | dpkg! |
| 22:25.41 | bolt | !blow me |
| 22:25.41 | dpkg | blows bolt |
| 22:25.50 | pappanz | i mean. the device is mounted correctly. i find it under /media/disk. however i cannot have access to its content. now, this external hdd is clean and ntfs-3g is properly installed. yeah, I would modify /etc/fstab file, but i should refer to the device as /dev/sda1 and i don't know if it is correct (i have other pendrives in vfat) |
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| 22:26.50 | stew | pappanz: show us the corresponding line from the output of "mount" |
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| 22:27.11 | DawnLight | pappanz: check out /dev/disk/by-id |
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| 22:28.49 | pickcoder | hm.. lm-sensors is giving my bogus output |
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| 22:30.30 | pappanz | stew: mount says it's /dev/sda1 mounted on /media/disk. DawnLight: i see the device name. now what else? |
| 22:31.04 | stew | pappanz: it should say a lot more than that |
| 22:31.26 | stew | pappanz: he's saying that you could add an entry to fstab using that id instead of /dev/sda1 since the id won't change |
| 22:31.46 | pappanz | stew: through UUID? |
| 22:31.52 | stew | pappanz: yes |
| 22:32.08 | pappanz | stew: fine. i'll try. thanks a lot! :) |
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| 22:36.13 | DawnLight | pappanz: try the blkid command |
| 22:36.56 | SlimG | Is it possible to setup a software raid1 between two disks, where one of them has existing data, and mirror the existing data over to the other disk when creating the raid1 array? |
| 22:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: I think there's a file containing calibrations... |
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| 22:37.32 | stew | SlimG: you can take the one without data and create a degraded raid1 array, copy data to the array, then add the one that already had the data to the degraded array |
| 22:37.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | can't try it myself, though, /proc/bus/i2c is missing |
| 22:38.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | pickcoder: I think you can change calibration in /etc/sensors.conf - but how to get a sensible calibration if it wasn't done in factory is beyond me :) |
| 22:39.06 | SlimG | stew: What is a degraded array? |
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| 22:39.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | SlimG: one with not all disks present |
| 22:39.23 | n3kl | What is port 68 used for? |
| 22:39.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | i.e. 1 out of two working |
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| 22:39.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl: less /etc/services |
| 22:39.52 | pickcoder | oh.. it's putting a B0 instead of a degree symbol |
| 22:39.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | ---> bootpc |
| 22:40.02 | stew | SlimG: an array with a failed disk |
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| 22:40.20 | stew | n3kl: getent services 68 |
| 22:40.32 | n3kl | Nice |
| 22:40.34 | n3kl | thanks |
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| 22:41.57 | SlimG | stew: Ah, thanks you so much for that explaination, you've probably saved me from days of backup-work :) |
| 22:42.02 | pappanz | uhm. i added the line: "UUID=blahblahblah /media/disk ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 0 0" to /etc/fstab. now i get another error. i have no permission to mount the device. |
| 22:42.34 | enouf | n3kl: ever get your wifi channel issue sorted? |
| 22:42.50 | enouf | (or connection or whatever) |
| 22:42.55 | n3kl | enouf: no, I am still at work |
| 22:43.02 | enouf | ahh |
| 22:43.15 | n3kl | enouf: I looked around at the configs and stuff and I couldn't figure anything I was doing wrong |
| 22:43.21 | n3kl | I will take a look tonight |
| 22:43.35 | n3kl | if I move it back to the old channel, it starts working again. Really strange... |
| 22:43.44 | enouf | n3kl: might want to try one of OUR antennas ;-) http://johnnytron.info/files/empire.jpg |
| 22:43.50 | stew | SlimG: when you create the array, you should be able to call one of the disks '--missing' or some such |
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| 22:46.20 | SlimG | stew: *noted* |
| 22:46.23 | enouf | SlimG: see /usr/share/doc/mdadm/* in one of those, it tells you exactly how to do it |
| 22:46.44 | SlimG | thanks for the pointer enouf |
| 22:47.00 | enouf | that /usr/share/doc dir is a treasure trove |
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| 22:48.07 | enouf | also /usr/share/<application>/* , but i don't understand why that exists, when the other does, unless it's a leftover |
| 22:48.13 | n3kl | enouf: Not sure if I need one that big ;) |
| 22:48.25 | enouf | n3kl: (we accomodate all channels that ever existed) :-p |
| 22:48.42 | enouf | n3kl: see that bald guy? |
| 22:48.49 | n3kl | enouf: yeah |
| 22:49.01 | n3kl | enouf: that you? |
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| 22:49.07 | enouf | that's not me, i'm the other nut - but my hair is much longer now |
| 22:49.25 | enouf | n3kl: but i play bongos on his head as a joke :-P |
| 22:49.42 | n3kl | ha, nice |
| 22:49.45 | enouf | (i'm teasing) |
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| 22:49.53 | n3kl | Is that NYC? |
| 22:49.57 | enouf | yerp |
| 22:50.12 | enouf | look at the title url ;-) |
| 22:50.24 | n3kl | yeah, thats why I asked |
| 22:50.31 | n3kl | you live there I take it |
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| 22:51.59 | enouf | n3kl: not in the city, but close |
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| 22:52.09 | n3kl | Nice |
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| 22:57.51 | mario_hn | Hi guys, where can I find the C header files. I search in /usr/src/linux/include but they are not there |
| 22:57.58 | mario_hn | I am using etch |
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| 22:58.55 | freeone3000 | Are linux-headers installed? |
| 22:59.06 | themill | mario_hn: I presume you're after things like stdio.h -- libc6-dev |
| 22:59.38 | mario_hn | themill, what I am trying to do is install vmware-server and I get that the c header files cannot be found |
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| 23:00.11 | themill | mario_hn: try the vmware-package package. It will make your life a lot easier. |
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| 23:02.18 | mario_hn | themill, will that install vmware or is it a utility for installing it? |
| 23:02.51 | themill | mario_hn: it takes the vmware installer that you've already downloaded and makes .debs out of it for you to then install using dpkg |
| 23:02.53 | Dewi | mario_hn: utility for building a package to integrate properly into your system |
| 23:03.14 | mario_hn | thanks ;) |
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| 23:05.21 | Macor | anybody running nit-debian on an n800? |
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| 23:06.36 | XwZ | hi |
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| 23:10.32 | XwZ | what's the package to install xv command ? please |
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| 23:12.09 | enouf | XwZ: erm, not sure what you want, xvinfo, and xvidtune are in xbase-clients, iinm |
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| 23:12.41 | XwZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.44 | enouf | XwZ: maybe libxv1 |
| 23:13.17 | joneal | hi |
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| 23:13.18 | enouf | XwZ: apt-cache show <pkgname> ; and "/msg dpkg search" in your irc client |
| 23:13.22 | XwZ | xv is to show the keys' code was pushed |
| 23:13.28 | vassler | i need help. in terminal how do i use sudo correctly ? |
| 23:13.31 | enouf | XwZ: apt-get update prior ;-) |
| 23:13.36 | joneal | hi |
| 23:13.58 | XwZ | enouf: I'll go try all this possibilities :) |
| 23:13.59 | XwZ | thx |
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| 23:14.15 | enouf | XwZ: also . there's libxine1 for the xine engine |
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| 23:14.26 | enouf | (i guess) |
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| 23:14.46 | joneal | hello |
| 23:15.07 | XwZ | enouf:I don't whant xine, I just w3rd__ant configure my xbindkeys :) |
| 23:15.24 | vassler | i need help. in terminal how do i use sudo correctly ? |
| 23:15.29 | XwZ | soory, my tab is so sensible :s |
| 23:15.40 | joneal | gotta be a sudousr for that |
| 23:15.43 | enouf | XwZ: if you plan on building shit, /msg dpkg grounding, read the debian reference, know the pkg header files are in the -dev named pkgs |
| 23:15.46 | hedos | Hello. I have the Debian installation CD. Is it possible to use it to launch, say, cfdisk? It seems that all that is offered is a limited shell (ash). |
| 23:15.57 | enouf | XwZ: ok |
| 23:16.09 | vassler | joneal: how do i do that? |
| 23:16.15 | XwZ | vassler: don't use sudo, isn't very secure |
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| 23:16.36 | vassler | xwz: then what? |
| 23:16.42 | joneal | man sudousr (I think) |
| 23:17.03 | pingouin | how to know/see the 'charge' in command line ? |
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| 23:17.30 | enouf | XwZ: please with the non-secure nonsense |
| 23:17.50 | enouf | vassler: how to use it? prefix each command you need root privs with it |
| 23:17.56 | joneal | actually man sudo works but there's a file that you have to add the user that you want sudo privs to |
| 23:18.12 | enouf | !sudoers | vassler |
| 23:18.13 | xand | pingouin: if you mean battery, type acpi |
| 23:18.24 | enouf | !tell vassler -about sudoers |
| 23:18.27 | Macor | hm |
| 23:18.41 | pingouin | xand: thanks you, but i meant the 'load' on a server for instance |
| 23:18.41 | Macor | nit-debian doesn't seem to want to work with the sound :) it's driving me up the wall |
| 23:18.42 | enouf | !tell vassler -about vidsudo |
| 23:18.45 | enouf | !tell vassler -about visudo |
| 23:18.51 | xand | pingouin: top? |
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| 23:18.55 | pingouin | sorry my english very bad |
| 23:19.01 | pingouin | xand: ok |
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| 23:20.02 | joneal | !tell joneal -about visudo |
| 23:20.50 | enouf | joneal: you should /msg dpkg <something> to tell yourself ;-) |
| 23:21.00 | joneal | it told me about it |
| 23:21.08 | enouf | joneal: the -about will not show it to you ;-) |
| 23:21.32 | enouf | joneal: remove the '-' from -about |
| 23:21.36 | joneal | dpkg just messaged me |
| 23:21.36 | dpkg | joneal: i haven't a clue |
| 23:21.46 | enouf | whatever ... sigh |
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| 23:22.05 | enouf | !tell enouf -about visudo |
| 23:22.10 | joneal | I wanted to ask about services |
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| 23:22.22 | enouf | ok, well when you use your own nick, yes it does |
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| 23:22.38 | enouf | i never had to do that - still; "/msg dpkg msg the bot" |
| 23:23.12 | joneal | I'm not sure what program to run to show all the services that are installed and can be run/stop |
| 23:23.32 | enouf | !tell joneal -about rcconf |
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| 23:28.07 | extor | Is a laptop with 256MB enough to run a spiffy desktop like gnome or even KDE? |
| 23:28.53 | cplx | whats the best open source spam filter you can get? |
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| 23:29.00 | vassler | okay: i typed man sudoers and it brought up alot of info/cmds : anyone have any ideas how to use this because i'm tring to get sudo working for me? |
| 23:29.00 | jpinx | extor: yes - I do that on an old toshiba laptop |
| 23:29.09 | vassler | PLEASE HELP ME |
| 23:29.13 | extor | jpinx, specs? |
| 23:29.29 | jpinx | 500Mhz chip, 256 RAm |
| 23:29.38 | extor | hd? |
| 23:29.48 | simonrvn | !sudoers |
| 23:29.48 | dpkg | sudoers is, like, You can grant yourself (minimally secure) root permissions for sudo by adding a line like this to /etc/sudoers: 'user ALL=(ALL) ALL' (no quotes, replacing user with your username). see also <visudo> For more security, please study the man pages from 'apropos sudo' |
| 23:29.50 | extor | I assume it's a P3 |
| 23:29.55 | simonrvn | vassler: ^^^^ |
| 23:30.04 | extor | You rune gnome or KDE jpinx ? |
| 23:30.16 | enouf | simonrvn: i altready just told vassler that .. sigh :-{ |
| 23:30.18 | jpinx | extor: the hdd won't affect the performance of your desktop |
| 23:30.27 | simonrvn | ugh, running either of those would suck on that specced box |
| 23:30.30 | jpinx | I have various Hdds |
| 23:30.40 | enouf | jpinx: add more RAM |
| 23:30.44 | jpinx | both work |
| 23:30.45 | extor | I have three hdds in caddies myself |
| 23:30.48 | simonrvn | enouf: he's illiterate then ;p |
| 23:30.54 | jpinx | just don't work them too hard ;) |
| 23:30.55 | extor | enouf, sodimms are pricey |
| 23:31.09 | enouf | jpinx: xfce at most, or .. just a light WM, like say openbox or something |
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| 23:31.17 | jpinx | enouf - this laptop won't accept more ram |
| 23:31.18 | enouf | extor: not really |
| 23:31.25 | enouf | jpinx: that's an issue then |
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| 23:31.30 | jetscreamer | gd one hour to d/l and install |
| 23:31.35 | jetscreamer | + |
| 23:31.36 | jpinx | enouf - xfce was the best -I agree |
| 23:31.56 | peter_12 | where can I learn about libapache2-svn? I cannot find any documentation beyond just who maintains the package |
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| 23:32.03 | enouf | jpinx: apt-get update; apt-cache search x-window-manager ; /msg dpkg xwinman |
| 23:32.37 | sladi | jpinx: WDM is a minimalistic tiling WM |
| 23:32.55 | extor | how was xfce "the best"? In what way? |
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| 23:33.03 | jpinx | sladi - I actually don't use the desktop that much |
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| 23:33.21 | sladi | jpinx: sorry dwm |
| 23:33.29 | jpinx | extor - because xfce didn't cause too much slowdown |
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| 23:33.43 | extor | jpinx, so you mean it was easy on the CPU? Or easy on the RAM? |
| 23:33.51 | sladi | jpinx: OK |
| 23:33.52 | extor | Cuz 256 MB RAM is quite a bit for a lappy |
| 23:34.13 | jpinx | extor - probably both ;) I didn't check |
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| 23:34.31 | rahsputin | Hi! I bought a BlueTooth USB Stick today : Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode), is there any documentation how i can get it to work right ? |
| 23:35.15 | enouf | peter_12: dpkg -L libapache2-svn | less ? |
| 23:35.20 | Muisje | hits everyone with a rubber duck |
| 23:35.24 | extor | nope, all the documentation is written on chinese toilet paper |
| 23:35.41 | extor | next! |
| 23:35.59 | enouf | peter_12: or see the docs for apache2 modules? a2enmod and such? |
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| 23:36.37 | peter_12 | enouf: thanks. I'm trying to learn the correct way to set up the permissions for the repository |
| 23:36.42 | extor | jpinx, I have xubuntu installed on my lappy right now and I dont like the xfce that much...is not as intuitive ad gnome and kde were :( |
| 23:36.51 | peter_12 | enouf: owner/group too |
| 23:37.01 | simonrvn | !xubuntu |
| 23:37.01 | dpkg | xubuntu is, like, a derivative of Ubuntu with the Xfce desktop environment. /join #xubuntu @ irc.freenode.net for support. See also <based on debian>. |
| 23:37.26 | extor | I don't need support I just need to complain. I can do that here can't I? |
| 23:37.29 | jetscreamer | why does dpkg know about ubuntu |
| 23:37.34 | jetscreamer | no |
| 23:37.39 | dniel | today is the same to change in the source.list "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ lenny main contrib non-free" for "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free"? |
| 23:37.40 | jpinx | extor - I am currently running the same 500Mhz PIII with 256RAM - a triple boot setup with Debian, XP and Windoze2000. |
| 23:37.41 | enouf | peter_12: maybe some articles in wiki.debian.org, or debian-adminstration.org ? |
| 23:37.41 | jetscreamer | #debian-offtopic :) |
| 23:37.45 | extor | dpkg leads a double life on #debian and #ubuntu |
| 23:37.46 | dpkg | extor: KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface. |
| 23:37.58 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 23:38.19 | jpinx | extor - I agree that xfce is not as intuitive, but it depends on who is using it |
| 23:38.23 | jetscreamer | dniel: today, yes... later, no |
| 23:38.28 | simonrvn | extor: that's what friends are for :P |
| 23:38.34 | peter_12 | enouf: thanks |
| 23:38.36 | dniel | jetscreamer: ahh okey! thanks! |
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| 23:38.42 | jetscreamer | dniel: if you want to stick with testing after lenny goes stable, put testing |
| 23:38.44 | extor | jpinx, obviously if I have only used gnome and kde I wont find the others intuitive |
| 23:38.47 | jetscreamer | otherwise put lenny |
| 23:38.56 | extor | what about fluxbox? Is fluxbox even faster than xfce? |
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| 23:39.02 | simonrvn | wtf does 'intuitive' mean? "just like windows"? effing jingoism... |
| 23:39.12 | jpinx | extor - I am no expert, but I got used to xfce fairly quickly |
| 23:39.16 | extor | no intuitive means everything is in the same place as in gnome or KDE |
| 23:39.19 | simonrvn | </rant> |
| 23:39.22 | jetscreamer | icewm is cool imo |
| 23:39.32 | dniel | jetscreamer: yes. I want that! :) |
| 23:39.36 | simonrvn | "just like windows" IOW |
| 23:39.48 | extor | Ok I just want to know my options...what else is out there besides tux, fluxbox, xfce? What other WMs? |
| 23:39.50 | jetscreamer | yeh icewm is windows-y |
| 23:39.54 | jpinx | extor - you can modify xfce to look like KDE - if that is what you need |
| 23:39.55 | enouf | tastes just like chicken |
| 23:40.04 | jetscreamer | icewm.. :) |
| 23:40.16 | jetscreamer | fluxbox is very pretty though |
| 23:40.31 | dniel | jetscreamer: yes I intent to do that! Thanks |
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| 23:40.38 | jetscreamer | s/-y/-ish/ |
| 23:40.42 | rahsputin | extor $ apt-cache search windowmanager etc... |
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| 23:40.56 | jetscreamer | ishy? |
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| 23:41.20 | extor | jpinx, I will give you an example: I click on APPLICATIONS / ACCESSORIES and slide over to the Terminal icon--ok? Now I right click on it so I can choose "send to taskbar" or "send to desktop" and what happens? It launches! |
| 23:41.24 | jetscreamer | gah still 1hr 8 min |
| 23:41.38 | jpinx | jetscreamer.. -yish |
| 23:41.43 | extor | Now this doesnt happen in KDE or gnome...honestly it is just annoying |
| 23:41.52 | jetscreamer | -yish feels good |
| 23:42.05 | rahsputin | extor what is that your using :D |
| 23:42.27 | jpinx | rahsputin - sounds like a sticky mouse ;) |
| 23:42.29 | enouf | rahsputin: [19:32:19] <enouf> jpinx: apt-get update; apt-cache search x-window-manager ; /msg dpkg xwinman |
| 23:42.30 | extor | rahsputin, I just installed xubuntu as an experiment. the Xfce wm I guess |
| 23:42.46 | enouf | rahsputin: but onto your bluetooth issue, run update-pciids |
| 23:42.50 | enouf | crap |
| 23:43.01 | enouf | rahsputin: run update-usbids |
| 23:43.20 | rahsputin | thanx :D |
| 23:43.31 | vassler | can anyone private msg me and help with a sudo question? |
| 23:43.48 | enouf | rahsputin: then have udevmonitor running as root, plug it in, and lsusb -v find the vendor/device ids |
| 23:43.57 | jpinx | vassler - what's the question? |
| 23:44.02 | enouf | rahsputin: also, apt-cache search bluez |
| 23:44.34 | extor | nawm - Non-windowmanager with windowmanager functionality <--- lol wtf? |
| 23:44.39 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 23:44.39 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:44.59 | extor | pekwm - Fast & Light WindowManager <-- Anything faster than this? |
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| 23:45.16 | jetscreamer | i've never even seen the work pekwm so how buggy is it |
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| 23:45.33 | jetscreamer | twm rocks |
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| 23:46.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | ratpoison? |
| 23:46.28 | jetscreamer | s/work/word/ |
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| 23:47.06 | jetscreamer | ok i have an hour to kill till lenny is finished installing |
| 23:47.18 | jetscreamer | weehaa |
| 23:47.30 | jetscreamer | time for poker |
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| 23:48.56 | extor | why would lenny take an hour to install? |
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| 23:49.53 | jpinx | took longer - slow connection for the netinstall |
| 23:50.10 | jetscreamer | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:50.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | dunno, why does windows take >1h to install from CD |
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| 23:50.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, ok, that one is easy |
| 23:51.01 | jetscreamer | i'd change mirrors but 344 out of 901 are done and i don't use that box |
| 23:51.08 | jetscreamer | so it can take it's time |
| 23:51.18 | extor | jetscreamer, just burn an iso to a USB stick |
| 23:51.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | 10 reboots, 5 minues/reboot, 10 minutes copying files :-/ |
| 23:51.31 | extor | why so many reboots? |
| 23:51.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | extor: I was answering my windows-comparison-question :-P |
| 23:52.11 | jetscreamer | extor: i have a dvd iso i'm going to use after, but no usb stick big enough, vfat on one hd, and i found out the hard way that the installer doesn't like the .iso on the same hd you're installing to |
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| 23:52.46 | vassler | jpinx: okay, well i'm tring to install this limewirelunix.deb file and when right clicking > 'open with... 'GDebi package installer'. it gives me this error: dependency is not satisfiable: sun-java-6-jre|icedtea-java7-jre|sun-java6-jdk|icedtea-java7-jdk|sun-java5-jre|sun-java5-jdk How or Where do get these files? |
| 23:53.08 | jetscreamer | vassler: probably you need non-free and/or contrib in sources |
| 23:53.16 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 23:53.17 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
| 23:53.27 | jetscreamer | iirc the sun java isn't all the way gpl'd yet |
| 23:53.28 | extor | jetscreamer, I have installed by copying 256 MB to a USB stick and having it read an iso on the hard drive. They have a special USB image just for that |
| 23:53.42 | mavhk | jetscreamer: 99.999% of the way |
| 23:53.44 | jetscreamer | extor: yes i tried it... booted well |
| 23:53.55 | vassler | jetscreamer: i don't understand wtc does that mean?! |
| 23:54.06 | jetscreamer | extor: but it didn't like the iso in the same partition that i was trying to install to |
| 23:54.17 | jetscreamer | and vfat can't take a 4 gig .iso |
| 23:54.22 | jetscreamer | 4 gig anything |
| 23:54.36 | jetscreamer | it wouldn't mount /target |
| 23:54.45 | extor | jet so you cant use fips to create a new ext3 partition? |
| 23:55.02 | vassler | done nobody have a decent answer for me? |
| 23:55.06 | jetscreamer | extor: yeah but it's a small hd (2 small hd's) and no real room |
| 23:55.08 | jetscreamer | i gave you one |
| 23:55.10 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 23:55.11 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
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| 23:55.40 | vassler | okay! thanks jet |
| 23:55.42 | jetscreamer | add the words contrib non-free after the word main, in your sources |
| 23:55.50 | jetscreamer | same line |
| 23:56.10 | jetscreamer | then do apt-get update |
| 23:56.15 | jetscreamer | or aptitude update |
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| 23:56.29 | rahsputin | this is what i get when # udevmonitor and $ lsusb -v http://rafb.net/p/hBJI3A55.html |
| 23:56.35 | jetscreamer | !sun java |
| 23:56.41 | jetscreamer | err |
| 23:56.46 | jetscreamer | !java |
| 23:56.46 | dpkg | hmm... java is a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives> |
| 23:57.35 | wols_ | jetscreamer: if you install via hd-media you want to start with netinst. doubly so with small hdds |
| 23:57.42 | rahsputin | does that look good ? |
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| 23:59.16 | jetscreamer | wols_: heh. now i'm doing the full on netinst, d/l & everything ... i was gonna set up the dvd iso's after |
| 23:59.32 | jetscreamer | me&my 2.99 nic |
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