| 00:01.14 | jetscreamer | aw shit i think my cat froze the box |
| 00:01.26 | jetscreamer | hmm got console |
| 00:01.50 | jetscreamer | d/l is stuck :/ |
| 00:02.06 | jetscreamer | maybe god doesn't want linux |
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| 00:02.09 | jetscreamer | :o |
| 00:02.12 | jetscreamer | anathema! |
| 00:02.26 | jetscreamer | (it's for a church) |
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| 00:03.00 | jetscreamer | nic is active... d/l windows isn't moving |
| 00:03.05 | jetscreamer | err window |
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| 00:03.15 | jetscreamer | ncurses |
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| 00:03.18 | allaun | hello |
| 00:04.00 | jetscreamer | i am pissed |
| 00:04.21 | jetscreamer | i've wasted more time on this old celeron p2... |
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| 00:04.55 | AgentScorpion | Hello! I am using a Intel Core2 Q6600 with x86-64. Should I use the x86 release or the amd64 release? |
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| 00:05.03 | jetscreamer | ok die tasksel |
| 00:05.07 | jetscreamer | amd64 |
| 00:05.16 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 00:05.16 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
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| 00:06.07 | jetscreamer | note some things don't work for 64bit, like java and some others |
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| 00:07.46 | allaun | is there documentation on recursively unraring/7ziping files? |
| 00:08.08 | jetscreamer | why does the installer ask me multiple times 'do i want to start pcmica services'.. and what range. i don't have it. |
| 00:08.11 | allaun | i found info on bzip 2 but nothing else |
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| 00:08.37 | AgentScorpion | will 32 bit apps not run on the amd64 version of debian? |
| 00:08.59 | jetscreamer | not sure about that at all, never had a 64bit box |
| 00:09.06 | jetscreamer | cept the one i didn't like and gave away |
| 00:09.16 | jetscreamer | (it was a cheap one) |
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| 00:10.23 | allaun | yes, usually 32 bit apps run with compatibility mode |
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| 00:10.28 | jetscreamer | there it is again.. pc card services |
| 00:10.30 | simonrvn | allaun: for loop it... |
| 00:10.32 | jetscreamer | die! |
| 00:10.40 | rahsputin | I stickin to 32bit too :D |
| 00:10.44 | allaun | ? |
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| 00:10.51 | jetscreamer | and i tell it no so it wants to know the resource range |
| 00:10.55 | jetscreamer | duh |
| 00:11.04 | jetscreamer | @debian-boot here i come |
| 00:11.08 | jetscreamer | err # |
| 00:11.11 | simonrvn | allaun: what does "?" mean? |
| 00:11.12 | AgentScorpion | thanks for your help |
| 00:11.36 | rahsputin | There are Dumpster full of them, Company throw away after 2 years of use :D |
| 00:11.42 | jetscreamer | you can have 32bit userland and a 64bit kernel |
| 00:12.12 | allaun | i mean, how do i set it up to recursively extract them? |
| 00:12.29 | rahsputin | ^s |
| 00:12.42 | allaun | i mean i could install winrar but that seems lazy |
| 00:12.43 | allaun | :P |
| 00:12.59 | jetscreamer | probably rar -x *.rar but i dunno |
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| 00:13.39 | simonrvn | for loop it... |
| 00:13.48 | simonrvn | it's called a shell, use it |
| 00:13.59 | linkmaster03 | where does debian store its fonts :( |
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| 00:14.36 | allaun | i know what a shell is, i'm asking what do you mean for loop |
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| 00:14.54 | amphi | !abs |
| 00:14.55 | dpkg | somebody said abs was a free graphical spreadsheet designed for Unix operating systems. see http://www.ping.be/bertin/abs.shtml. Advanced Bash Scripting Guide on linuxdoc.org, http://www.tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ |
| 00:14.59 | amphi | bah |
| 00:14.59 | jetscreamer | allaun: more of a #bash question |
| 00:15.07 | WormFood | allaun, read the bash man page |
| 00:15.12 | jetscreamer | and amphi is a god(des?) in there iirc |
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| 00:15.27 | jetscreamer | watch out for greycat and mwilson though :) |
| 00:15.41 | amphi | mwilson? hurrah! ;) |
| 00:16.01 | simonrvn | allaun: it's a shell command. man bash |
| 00:16.05 | amphi | dpkg must have an mwilsonsmite action |
| 00:16.06 | dpkg | amphi: are you using Windows? |
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| 00:16.22 | jetscreamer | i wish he/she/it did |
| 00:16.26 | jetscreamer | but doesn't iirc |
| 00:16.51 | linkmaster03 | DOODS WHERE DOES JOOR DEBIAN STORE ITS FONTS :( |
| 00:16.58 | amphi | !be mwilson |
| 00:17.10 | amphi | :( |
| 00:17.25 | jetscreamer | fonts are a mystery |
| 00:17.56 | jetscreamer | /lib somewhere i 'think'.. or was it /usr/share |
| 00:18.04 | jetscreamer | !fonts |
| 00:18.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt, or http://www.fsf.org/blogs/licensing/20050425novalis Ask me about <install font>. |
| 00:18.17 | jetscreamer | !tell linkmaster03 -about font guide |
| 00:18.21 | jetscreamer | !tell linkmaster03 -about caps |
| 00:18.40 | linkmaster03 | ty |
| 00:18.41 | linkmaster03 | love you |
| 00:18.50 | jetscreamer | !love linkmaster03 |
| 00:18.50 | dpkg | makes love to linkmaster03, caressing linkmaster03's hair, whispering sweet nothings in linkmaster03's ear... |
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| 00:19.13 | simonrvn | *plonks* linkmaster03 |
| 00:19.14 | linkmaster03 | damn |
| 00:19.15 | linkmaster03 | nice |
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| 00:20.31 | jetscreamer | note i will not be using tasksel this time |
| 00:20.42 | jetscreamer | die download die! |
| 00:21.08 | jetscreamer | this must be my 7th attempt or so to install debian on this pos |
| 00:21.49 | linkmaster03 | god fucking dammit |
| 00:22.01 | linkmaster03 | all i want is the font called "Fixed" in .ttf |
| 00:22.05 | linkmaster03 | i cant find it for the life of me |
| 00:22.08 | linkmaster03 | yes i read the font guide |
| 00:22.10 | jetscreamer | fixed is an alias |
| 00:22.18 | linkmaster03 | for? |
| 00:22.18 | amphi | linkmaster03: 'fixed' is an alias |
| 00:22.30 | linkmaster03 | ye i figure that out but i dunno what the alias is :( |
| 00:22.35 | linkmaster03 | or how i can find out :( |
| 00:22.41 | jetscreamer | for whatever it points to... i almost remember.. helvectia? |
| 00:23.03 | jetscreamer | fonts are just weird in linux |
| 00:23.06 | linkmaster03 | well hoe do i find out what it points to lawl |
| 00:23.09 | linkmaster03 | YEAH I CAN tell :) |
| 00:23.14 | linkmaster03 | how* |
| 00:23.15 | jetscreamer | doesn't know |
| 00:23.21 | jetscreamer | offhand |
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| 00:23.27 | linkmaster03 | why cant all fonts be in ~/.fonts |
| 00:23.30 | linkmaster03 | god damn |
| 00:23.37 | jetscreamer | ah try searching for *.ttf maybe |
| 00:24.09 | linkmaster03 | any way to do that from terminal? |
| 00:24.17 | jetscreamer | find |
| 00:24.33 | jetscreamer | !find |
| 00:24.34 | roadfish | I'm using dpkg -i --ignore-depends=package1 package2 to install an older package2. And package2 works fine. However, installing anything won't process because apt says package2 has "unmet dependency package1". How can I get apt to _really_ ignore this dependency? |
| 00:24.55 | linkmaster03 | !find |
| 00:25.03 | linkmaster03 | no help on find |
| 00:25.05 | linkmaster03 | !search |
| 00:25.05 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 00:25.06 | jetscreamer | man find |
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| 00:25.24 | jetscreamer | find is also something i prefer a gui to |
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| 00:25.36 | linkmaster03 | well i only got ssh access |
| 00:25.43 | jetscreamer | it's a console command though |
| 00:25.50 | linkmaster03 | i know |
| 00:25.51 | jetscreamer | i just don't know how to use it |
| 00:25.51 | linkmaster03 | im reading man |
| 00:25.54 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:26.12 | linkmaster03 | yeah that command sucks |
| 00:26.13 | linkmaster03 | meh |
| 00:27.15 | AcTiVaTe | find <dirname> -name \*.ttf |
| 00:27.26 | simonrvn | find is a perfectly good command |
| 00:27.30 | linkmaster03 | l |
| 00:27.31 | linkmaster03 | ol |
| 00:27.31 | AcTiVaTe | like in the current dir just do find . -name \*.ttf |
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| 00:27.53 | simonrvn | find /usr/share/fonts -iname '*.ttf' ;) |
| 00:28.18 | AcTiVaTe | locate can also be a nice tool if you are not looking for a very recently changed file |
| 00:28.41 | manu_hack | I already installed ttf-dejavu-core, but adding the line in .Xdefault: rxvt.font: xft:DejaVu Sans Mono:pixelsize=12 cannot change the font of rxvt |
| 00:28.42 | AcTiVaTe | ofcourse, assuming you have updatedb in crontab |
| 00:28.57 | manu_hack | I did run rxdb -merge .Xdefault |
| 00:29.02 | linkmaster03 | cd /usr/share/fonts |
| 00:29.04 | linkmaster03 | o |
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| 00:29.05 | linkmaster03 | woops |
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| 00:29.46 | linkmaster03 | im going to walk next door to my pc |
| 00:29.48 | linkmaster03 | and find this font |
| 00:29.55 | manu_hack | linkmaster03: the font is in truetype/ttf-dejavu |
| 00:30.04 | simonrvn | AcTiVaTe: updatedb's cronjob and tab script is included by default |
| 00:30.06 | manu_hack | somehow X is not able to find it |
| 00:31.24 | simonrvn | manu_hack: first, it's ".Xdefaults"; second, xrdb needs full path (IIRC) |
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| 00:33.07 | manu_hack | lol, .Xdefaults of course |
| 00:33.21 | linkmaster03 | manu_hack: ill look. if its there ill perform odd sexual actions on you |
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| 00:34.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's ill :) |
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| 00:35.05 | manu_hack | simonrvn: don't know why it needs full path, as long as it didn't give error can't find file why not? but anyway I tried and the same |
| 00:35.17 | jetscreamer | !sources |
| 00:35.17 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 00:37.00 | manu_hack | the weird thing is that on the other Debian box I have the same .Xdefaults and rxvt can load the font ... |
| 00:37.18 | linkmaster03 | manu_hack: are you sure the Fixed font is in that folder |
| 00:37.23 | linkmaster03 | i cant find it |
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| 00:37.49 | sladi | linkmaster03: it's an alias |
| 00:37.50 | linkmaster03 | i pretty much just want the font on my ubuntu pc |
| 00:38.12 | jetscreamer | for some reason it wouldn't d/l the grub package, i had to do it manually |
| 00:38.38 | sladi | linkmaster03: maybe use gtk theme switch and look for the font |
| 00:38.42 | manu_hack | in the folder of /usr/share/fonts/truetype/ttf-dejavu, there are whole bunch of ttf files, not sure they are Fixed font |
| 00:40.05 | sladi | lil_cain: or any app which uses fonts, like a word processor |
| 00:40.17 | sladi | sorry I meant linkmaster03 |
| 00:40.17 | jescis | Hello guys, I'm back >:) |
| 00:40.30 | jetscreamer | haha i kicked that pain in the ass's butt |
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| 00:42.06 | simonrvn | manu_hack: one of them will |
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| 00:42.55 | linkmaster03 | god i cant find that god fucking damn font |
| 00:45.28 | linkmaster03 | i found the alias fixed -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 |
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| 00:45.41 | linkmaster03 | but that doesnt give me a path |
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| 00:50.39 | manu_hack | dang, now even on the old box, that couldn't load the font any more |
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| 00:53.24 | jhutchins | I am having a definite problem with samba on debian that I didn't have on a MUCH SLOWER Mandriva box. |
| 00:53.47 | jhutchins | I can list files fine, but any significant transfer and it locks up. |
| 00:53.55 | jhutchins | reading OR writing. |
| 00:54.07 | manu_hack | so any workable and not bad font I can try? I don't insist on the dang Dejavu |
| 00:55.16 | amphi | linkmaster03: you'll find it in /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ I expect (on lenny, at least) |
| 00:55.33 | jetscreamer | okie how do i tell apt to use dvd.iso |
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| 00:58.10 | linkmaster03 | i found it on the web lol |
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| 01:00.52 | linkmaster03 | gnome-terminal aint recognizing it |
| 01:01.47 | manu_hack | now I'm messing around with xfontsel ... |
| 01:02.00 | Folk_Theory | if I install a newer version of a package that does exist in the repos, I install it from source using checkinstall, will apt-get upgrade eventually upgrade it to a newer version once it comes out? or will it not recognize it as the same package with different version numbers? |
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| 01:02.19 | Folk_Theory | meaning to a binary one from the repos |
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| 01:04.34 | jetscreamer | fork failed cannot allocate memory... how nice |
| 01:05.04 | jetscreamer | i swear if this doesn't finish soon i'm going to format it vfat |
| 01:05.32 | jetscreamer | finish meaning be done |
| 01:05.42 | jetscreamer | i did get it installed though |
| 01:06.16 | jpinx | jetscreamer: I see other comment about debian being slow at the moment |
| 01:06.28 | jetscreamer | no not d/l'ing anymore |
| 01:06.31 | jpinx | not sure if that's your problem |
| 01:06.33 | jetscreamer | i aborted that |
| 01:06.46 | jpinx | has a variety of problems.... |
| 01:06.51 | Folk_Theory | can someone help me with my checkinstall question? |
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| 01:07.21 | jetscreamer | wtf |
| 01:07.24 | jetscreamer | hmmm |
| 01:07.46 | jetscreamer | i was able to workaround |
| 01:08.09 | jetscreamer | it's only got 256 but that's more than anybody will ever need... |
| 01:08.10 | jpinx | goes for yet another reboot |
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| 01:15.23 | statim | anyone known in a bash script if its possible to determine the directory of the file that is being executed? for example if i have /home/me/myfile.sh and i run that from /, i want to cd to /home/me inside the script to run the rest of the commands |
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| 01:18.48 | Folk_Theory | if I install a newer version of a package that does exist in the repos, I install it from source using checkinstall, will apt-get upgrade eventually upgrade it to a newer version once it comes out? or will it not recognize it as the same package with different version numbers? |
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| 01:18.58 | gouki | I was wondering if any mailing list admins here used lurker? I'm having some problems running it. |
| 01:18.59 | rznk | statim: I am just learning about shell scripting myself, and I am sure there is a more elegant way to do it, but I believe you can add a simple 'cd desired-dir' to the beginning |
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| 01:19.25 | kernel_ghost | statim: the $0 variable |
| 01:19.35 | kernel_ghost | is the app path and name |
| 01:19.56 | statim | rznk: i wont know the directory the file is in though. kernel_ghost: cool that may do the trick ill try that |
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| 01:25.52 | dihymo | anyone got a deb of flock 2.0 for amd64? |
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| 01:27.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | !wdywtd statim |
| 01:27.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | :( |
| 01:27.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg? |
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| 01:28.13 | statim | cd $0/.. seems to work |
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| 01:28.59 | rznk | statim: I meant to add 'cd /home/me' at the start, but I have no doubt kernel_gh*st's method is more approprate :D |
| 01:29.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | saying "what do you want to do, statim" |
| 01:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | it doesn't sound to be useful for anything... |
| 01:29.53 | statim | CutMeOwnThroat: allow a script to be execute from anywhere on the system but cd to its directory inside the script |
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| 01:30.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | what do you need that for? |
| 01:30.35 | K350 | what's the command to run the "Run" window? |
| 01:30.43 | duton | put it in bin makes it executabel without location and without need for ./ |
| 01:32.17 | Folk_Theory | K350: alt+f2 |
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| 01:34.44 | K350 | Folk_Theory: Ah thanks. But I mean the command not the hotkey |
| 01:36.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | statim: hmpf, forgot what the other way of basename is |
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| 01:37.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah |
| 01:37.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | statim: $(dirname $0) |
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| 01:41.40 | statim | CutMeOwnThroat: cool thanks |
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| 01:42.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | statim: I still don't think it's useful for anything |
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| 01:42.56 | smacnay | Is there a good calendar program for linux - something for X? |
| 01:42.57 | statim | CutMeOwnThroat: well.. it builds out stuff in a relative directory to the executed script (./src/), NOT relative to where its executed from |
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| 01:43.20 | statim | CutMeOwnThroat: so i need to cd to the scripts directory first |
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| 01:43.56 | rznk | smacnay: osmo? |
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| 01:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | statim: ... but else you have to provide the full path to the scripts |
| 01:44.47 | smacnay | rznk, thanks - I will look into that app. |
| 01:45.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | rznk: oh, that's indeed cute |
| 01:46.07 | rznk | smacnay: No worries. I was searching around for one myself but to say I found on I stuck with, I can't. |
| 01:46.27 | rznk | CutMeOwnThroat: Cute? :) |
| 01:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | CutME :) |
| 01:47.10 | smacnay | rznk, I am using a Deb install that seems to default to Gnome - so Evolution has been my default for now. I like it and the evolution backend runs anyway so I stayed with it. I always look for alternatives, though. |
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| 01:48.46 | rznk | smacnay: Never tried really tried Evolution, looked a bit complicated for what I was after. |
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| 01:49.45 | Malf | smacnay: You can get debs for rainlendar2 now which has been working modestly well for me so far |
| 01:50.24 | Malf | smacnay: Just recently started looking for a calendar myself. Not part of the normal package lists though. |
| 01:50.43 | jetscreamer | how do i get apt to use a .iso as a source |
| 01:50.45 | Malf | smacnay: And on occasion it'll grab a mouse event from an application on top of it when it really shouldn't |
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| 01:52.05 | rznk | How about a calendar for the terminal? I find myself there more and more. |
| 01:52.19 | rznk | A organiser rather |
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| 01:53.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer: mount it over a loop device, then use a file uri? |
| 01:55.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer: or you could try and see if you can fool around with apt-cdrom and make it think your iso was a cdrom :) |
| 01:55.41 | unixSnob | has anyone been able to use smbfs with the 2.6.25-2 kernel? |
| 01:56.17 | jetscreamer | CutMeOwnThroat: yeah but i just want it to do the .iso, as seen on tv and the installer |
| 01:56.22 | unixSnob | upgraded to 2.6.25-2 and smbfs broke |
| 01:56.51 | unixSnob | Do I need to recompile smbfs.ko manually? |
| 01:56.52 | jetscreamer | !test |
| 01:56.52 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 01:57.04 | rznk | :) |
| 01:57.09 | jetscreamer | Firefox can't find the server at www.google.com.... :o |
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| 01:59.03 | Kalir | Okay, so you guys do still get pissed if people ask about Ubuntu. Just checking. |
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| 02:00.05 | jetscreamer | man... |
| 02:00.15 | rznk | closes piano and hides behind bar |
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| 02:06.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | watches as a couple of dozen bullets disappear inside the door that Kalir just smashed behind him when leaving. |
| 02:07.11 | martian67 | can i install multiple packages with dpgk -i ? |
| 02:07.16 | martian67 | *dpkg |
| 02:07.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure |
| 02:07.23 | martian67 | so i can say |
| 02:07.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 02:07.38 | martian67 | dpkg -i foo.deb bar.deb baz.deb |
| 02:07.39 | dpkg | removes a kidney from martian67 and replaces it with foo.deb bar.deb baz.deb |
| 02:07.46 | martian67 | :S |
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| 02:07.50 | enouf | heh |
| 02:08.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 02:08.07 | rznk | resumes piano playing. |
| 02:08.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | take care of your kidneys, though |
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| 02:08.23 | martian67 | CutMeOwnThroat: are you 100% postive? |
| 02:08.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | watches rznk being shot for playing badly |
| 02:08.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | martian67: well, I done it a couple of times after making packages from source |
| 02:08.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | so |
| 02:08.53 | enouf | while read line ; do dpkg -i $line ; done < file-with-pkgs, one per line ;-) |
| 02:08.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | "yes"? |
| 02:09.13 | Szaln | hello, im new to debian. please , how can i invoke dhcp for any network interface?? |
| 02:09.22 | enouf | !interfaces |
| 02:09.22 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). Start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client>, read "man resolv.conf" for DNS. Also ask me about <static route>. |
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| 02:09.39 | jetscreamer | how do i get apt to use a .iso as a source |
| 02:10.00 | enouf | jetscreamer: loop mount it, then apt-cdrom ? |
| 02:10.03 | Szaln | thanks enouf! |
| 02:10.08 | enouf | np |
| 02:10.25 | jetscreamer | yeah... but how do i get apt to use a .iso as a source |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | jetscreamer: mount it over loopback .. scan it with apt-cdrom |
| 02:10.37 | enouf | !win me |
| 02:10.37 | dpkg | Congratulations, enouf! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 02:10.41 | jetscreamer | ass seen in the hd-media installer |
| 02:10.44 | jetscreamer | as |
| 02:10.45 | enouf | ;-) |
| 02:10.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | Szaln: depends on your dhcp-client - for dhclient it's dhclient <device> (if you want to do it manually - else see what enouf said) |
| 02:11.07 | enouf | jetscreamer: oh, mount /target, then cd into /target, iirc |
| 02:11.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | sometimes an ass can do the work of two horses in no time |
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| 02:11.37 | enouf | looks down at his horse O_o |
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| 02:11.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:11.53 | abrotman | !nopony enouf |
| 02:11.53 | dpkg | enouf: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 02:11.53 | Ashex | how would one force a package to install despite it being a different arch? |
| 02:12.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | I just used a normal rubber band to tie my hair together... damn mindlessness |
| 02:12.02 | abrotman | Ashex: you wouldn't |
| 02:12.02 | jetscreamer | enouf: i finally got it installed. i want it to use a dvd.iso as a source. (i don't want to have to mount it and blahblah) and i can't burn a dvd atm |
| 02:12.33 | enouf | jetscreamer: you don't have to burn it |
| 02:12.34 | Ashex | abrotman, the package will work in i686, but it's marked for i386 :/ |
| 02:12.44 | abrotman | those are the same |
| 02:12.47 | enouf | abrotman: yeah yeah .. :-P |
| 02:12.50 | abrotman | it wouldn't need to be forced at all |
| 02:12.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer: so for a burnt DVD you wouldn't need to mount it? |
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| 02:13.03 | jetscreamer | yeah i know i can mount it (dammit 2 of the same kb means i type on the worng one) |
| 02:13.18 | unixSnob | thinks smbfs needs to be forced |
| 02:13.23 | jetscreamer | well no you wouldn't have to mount the dvd |
| 02:13.24 | Ashex | abrotman, keeps complaining that it doesn't match the system |
| 02:13.29 | jetscreamer | just use apt-cdrom |
| 02:13.48 | abrotman | Ashex: what's the package name .. and what's the first line of dpkg-architecture |
| 02:13.57 | enouf | jetscreamer: it tells you in the installation guide how to do all this - maybe even on wiki.debian.org search Debian Installer |
| 02:14.09 | abrotman | wiki seems .. dead |
| 02:14.16 | enouf | oh |
| 02:14.34 | Ashex | DEB_BUILD_ARCH=amd64 |
| 02:14.37 | Ashex | wait a second |
| 02:14.45 | abrotman | that's not 686 or i386 |
| 02:14.51 | enouf | heh |
| 02:14.52 | Ashex | Ha |
| 02:14.55 | Ashex | I'm awesome |
| 02:15.01 | Ashex | exits out of his ssh session |
| 02:15.02 | abrotman | i may not be a smart man .. but ... |
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| 02:15.22 | Ashex | I keep forgetting to do that when I'm done :/ |
| 02:15.44 | Ashex | and now it installs... |
| 02:15.49 | Ashex | so, you all can just forget I said anything |
| 02:15.53 | jetscreamer | enouf: it's already installed (finally) |
| 02:16.05 | enouf | ... |
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| 02:16.31 | jetscreamer | now i want to use this dvd.iso as a source... or i wasted like 7 hours d/l'ing it.. and i don't want to mount it |
| 02:16.46 | enouf | ? |
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| 02:17.05 | jetscreamer | i have a lenny system, et al |
| 02:17.17 | enouf | mount it- or look at other alts. like apt-ftparchive, debmirror or something |
| 02:17.53 | Szaln | thanks CutMeOwnThroat , i will test that |
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| 02:18.00 | jetscreamer | i don't like how you can't do things in a full blown debian system that you can in the installer |
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| 02:18.11 | jetscreamer | this is like peeve #4 like that i guess |
| 02:18.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | Szaln: you probably need to install the dhcp-client package, though |
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| 02:18.53 | abrotman | Ashex: got it working? |
| 02:19.20 | Ashex | abrotman, yeah, installed without any issues this time |
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| 02:19.52 | rznk | Oh wow. I made my vga settings in grub 794, and now my eyes hurt |
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| 02:20.31 | Szaln | CutMeOwnThroat: ok, ill have to plug the cable again........ ;-D |
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| 02:22.02 | jetscreamer | shit there's no fstab |
| 02:22.09 | jetscreamer | wtf it's empty |
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| 02:23.29 | jetscreamer | fuckit |
| 02:23.53 | abrotman | use aptitude! |
| 02:24.04 | ArtificialSynaps | aptitude for life! |
| 02:24.28 | ArtificialSynaps | Wooo I just setup my NFS, and I'm excited about it! |
| 02:25.53 | dagar | I'm experiencing unbelievably slow transfer rates and hdparm disk reads on newish ide drives, which were previously working very well |
| 02:26.08 | dagar | any thoughts? I haven't a clue where to start looking for problems |
| 02:26.17 | dagar | I tried the same drives on a promise ide controller with the same results |
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| 02:27.21 | abrotman | DMA ? |
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| 02:27.49 | jescis | I forgot what file had the timeout settings for tty :/ |
| 02:27.49 | debCarlos | Does hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda have side effects ? |
| 02:27.59 | dagar | dma disabled (raid 1) |
| 02:28.09 | debCarlos | Bogus8: Did the spammers attack again while i was out? |
| 02:28.34 | dagar | debCarlos: that causes input output error |
| 02:28.56 | dagar | drive cmd failed |
| 02:28.57 | rznk | debCarlos: Haven't you ignored them yet? :) |
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| 02:29.59 | debCarlos | rznk: no lol |
| 02:30.35 | debCarlos | dagar: hdparm -B 254 /dev/sda produces input output error? I think it's for setting the load/unload cycles.... |
| 02:31.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | debCarlos: why, did you miss them? |
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| 02:31.19 | Ashex | I use apt out of habit :/ |
| 02:31.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | debCarlos: I can write up some spam-messages and query them to you if you're real desperate |
| 02:32.08 | debCarlos | CutMeOwnThroat: Really :D ? Well, then send them to me :). I think they are funny lol |
| 02:32.37 | dagar | http://pastebin.com/d7813b441 |
| 02:32.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | all men should wear bras... on their ass |
| 02:33.04 | dagar | this is an athlon 3200 with relatively new Western digital 320s reading at 2-4 MB/s |
| 02:33.21 | dagar | exact same results using onboard ide and promise ide in same machine |
| 02:33.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | dagar: you said dma is off - switch it on... hdparm -d1 /dev/hda |
| 02:33.27 | dagar | sata drives in same box working perfectly fine |
| 02:33.42 | dagar | CutMeOwnThroat: raid 1 though? |
| 02:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | dagar: "hda" is not a raid |
| 02:34.09 | dagar | weird |
| 02:34.10 | debCarlos | CutMeOwnThroat: lol, i think i have all brags spam messages, they were abundant yesterday lol |
| 02:34.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | dagar: hda can be one disk in your raid, but not a raid - md0 would be a raid |
| 02:34.46 | dagar | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm well aware, I was testing hda and hdc individually and md0, all getting the same results |
| 02:34.59 | dagar | I thought dma should be off in a raid mirror |
| 02:35.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 02:35.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | never heared that |
| 02:35.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | why so? |
| 02:35.36 | dagar | I thought it was some kind of timing issue |
| 02:36.50 | dagar | I tried turing dma off because I kept getting this nonsense http://pastebin.com/d217685b2 |
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| 02:37.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | dagar: that just means your HD is broken :) |
| 02:37.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | and explains your low speeds - if you switch off you get rid of the error messages, but you don't get your performance back |
| 02:38.04 | dagar | turing dma on fixed the speeds |
| 02:38.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | *switch off dma |
| 02:38.27 | dagar | actually switching off dma didn't get rid of the messages |
| 02:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | no? |
| 02:38.38 | dagar | smart still shows the drives are in perfect condition though |
| 02:38.55 | dagar | I used this drives in a raid 5 in a different machine for 6 months and never got a single message like that |
| 02:38.58 | dagar | these* |
| 02:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that's how I remember it - but I had something similar only about 5 years ago, so my memory might very well fail me in the details |
| 02:39.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it was pretty weird also |
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| 02:39.42 | dagar | well according to any info I can find the messages don't really mean much |
| 02:39.46 | dagar | but I still don't like them... |
| 02:39.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | because the drive ran fine in a windows system... didn't really test the performance there, but afair with seemingly normalish perforance |
| 02:40.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but switching the drive on the linux system fixed the problem without fail |
| 02:40.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | so it *was* the drive |
| 02:40.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh - and you only got the SeekComplet one... I also had a lot of timeouts |
| 02:41.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | which slowed down everything to a crawl |
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| 02:41.47 | dagar | turning DMA back on caused the drives to go from 4MB/s to 60MB/s |
| 02:41.52 | callahad | Is bugs.d.o down, or is it just me? |
| 02:42.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | dagar: :) |
| 02:42.23 | stew | callahad: its down |
| 02:42.29 | callahad | :( |
| 02:42.41 | stew | callahad: bugs.donarmstrong.com is a mirror |
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| 02:42.54 | dagar | CutMeOwnThroat: well thanks |
| 02:43.16 | callahad | stew: oh, wow, a mirror of the bts. Awesome! |
| 02:43.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | dagar: if you can get your hands on a spare drive of the same size you could try if your errors disappear |
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| 02:44.15 | dagar | I get the same errors on both drives |
| 02:44.25 | dagar | probably stupid via chipset |
| 02:44.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | dagar: probably there are different possible reasons why you get them... |
| 02:44.40 | dagar | I've had a lot of bad luck with VIA chipsets in linux |
| 02:44.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you're right, when I googled for the messages 5 years ago, I also found all kinds of different stuff... fixed bugs etc. |
| 02:46.03 | unixSnob | Anyone who wants to see what it looks like when the 2.6.25-2-amd64 kernel pukes on a smbfs mount attempt, scroll to the bottom of this paste => http://rafb.net/p/JRXysZ85.html |
| 02:47.18 | unixSnob | smbfs module has become obsolete... but someone forgot to build the replacement cifs module into the kernel |
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| 02:47.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 02:47.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | nice |
| 02:47.47 | unixSnob | seems like a gross oversight, unless i'm missing something |
| 02:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | but can't be, can it? |
| 02:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian kernels come with *all* possible modules |
| 02:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | at least I thought so |
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| 02:51.04 | unixSnob | well smbfs is being phased out. it's not available to 2.6.25 |
| 02:51.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:X4EnEPDWBjAJ:bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi%3Fbug%3D480995+smbfs+2.6.25&hl=en&client=iceweasel-a&gl=us&strip=1 |
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| 02:51.40 | unixSnob | the cifs module is supposed to take over the smbfs protocol... but it wasn't included either (unless I have to install it seperately and haven't found it yet) |
| 02:52.03 | stew | !findo cifs.ko |
| 02:52.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | is that your bug? |
| 02:52.12 | stew | !find cifs.ko |
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| 02:52.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | unixSnob? |
| 02:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | glad I'm still using 2.6.18 |
| 02:53.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 02:53.25 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'cifs.ko' (4 of 13): (/usr/lib/uml/modules/2.6.25/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko) in misc/user-mode-linux ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-686/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.26-1-486/kernel/fs/cifs/cifs.ko) in admin/linux-image-2.6.26-1-486. |
| 02:54.06 | stew | unixSnob: it appears to be available in 2.6.25-2. are you using a debian kernel? |
| 02:55.08 | unixSnob | hmm.. i found cifs.ko, and did a modprobe cifs... it loads okay, but still says "ERROR: smbfs filesystem not supported by the kernel" |
| 02:55.36 | stew | unixSnob: with what command? |
| 02:56.03 | stew | unixSnob: ERROR: smbfs... indicates you are trying smbfs instead of cifs |
| 02:56.37 | unixSnob | stew: yes, it's an smbfs that I need to mount. |
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| 02:57.08 | unixSnob | I heard cifs.ko is supposed to handle smbfs now |
| 02:57.32 | unixSnob | otherwise, it would be unreasonable to drop smbfs altogether, wouldn't it? |
| 02:57.54 | stew | unixSnob: yes, you should only use smbfs for samba shares from stuff like windows 95 machiens |
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| 02:58.10 | stew | unixSnob: so anything you used to mount with -t smbfs should mount with -t cifs |
| 02:58.21 | stew | (and it's been this way for a few years now) |
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| 02:59.25 | unixSnob | ahhhh.. that's it stew! I had to write '-t cifs' to mount an smbfs |
| 02:59.57 | unixSnob | guess i've been in a cave. went from RH9 to Debian 4.0r3 |
| 03:01.17 | debCarlos | RH9.... red hat right? |
| 03:01.29 | unixSnob | yeah |
| 03:02.13 | unixSnob | and what a crappy system that was.. perhaps good when it came out, but terrible for upgrades |
| 03:03.21 | debCarlos | I never like comercial linux.... i like more free ones like Debian Ubuntu and Opensuse :D |
| 03:03.45 | jpinx | debian rools :D |
| 03:03.47 | unixSnob | debCarlos: btw, there isn't a 100% free linux yet, is there? |
| 03:04.23 | unixSnob | I heard RMS talking about it in 2004, stressing that a 100% GNU OS is still needed |
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| 03:04.52 | debCarlos | unixSnob: If you use debian with only main i guess it is :) |
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| 03:05.09 | abrotman | !info vrms etch |
| 03:05.12 | stew | debian and RMS don't agree on what free software is |
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| 03:05.28 | Ashex | bah |
| 03:05.40 | dpkg | vrms: (virtual Richard M. Stallman), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.12-0.1 (etch), Packaged size: 10 kB, Installed size: 44 kB |
| 03:05.43 | Ashex | this is annoying. trying to setup pubkey authentication on my laptop |
| 03:05.45 | stew | which is why you'll find software authored by RMS in non-free in debian |
| 03:05.57 | Ashex | copy my pubkey from laptop to desktop, prompts for password |
| 03:05.58 | misc-- | hello... is there an official guide to follow on how to sign packages? I've created my own repo and it works fine but I want to be able to sign packages and am not sure on how to do that |
| 03:06.01 | debCarlos | !vrms |
| 03:06.01 | dpkg | it has been said that vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 03:06.05 | Ashex | copy my pubkey from desktop to laptop, works fine |
| 03:06.35 | stew | misc--: debsign -kkeyid foo.changes |
| 03:06.35 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: been quiet for me |
| 03:06.52 | stew | Ashex: are you copying your key by hand? or using ssh-copy-id? |
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| 03:07.16 | Ashex | stew, I'm using scp to do it |
| 03:07.22 | debCarlos | Bogus8: For me too... seems like he saw how much fun we were having earlier and decided to cut it off :( |
| 03:07.28 | Ashex | then just doing a cat id_rsa.pub >> authorized_keys2 |
| 03:07.31 | stew | Ashex: i'd recommend using ssh-copy-id |
| 03:07.36 | misc-- | stew: ok thanks |
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| 03:07.44 | Bogus8 | debCarlos: damn |
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| 03:08.03 | stew | Ashex: make sure that the .ssh directory is owned by you and chmod 700, make sure the authorized_keys file is owned by you and chmod 600 |
| 03:08.15 | debCarlos | lol |
| 03:08.27 | stew | Ashex: and if that doesn't work /msg dpkg debug sshd |
| 03:08.57 | Ashex | stew, yeah, didn't work for me :/ |
| 03:08.58 | abrotman | stew: FWIW .. on lenny my laptop brightness buttons work |
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| 03:10.18 | stew | Ashex: what didn't work for you? |
| 03:10.36 | Ashex | stew, ssh-copy-id |
| 03:10.39 | Ashex | but I just did the debug |
| 03:10.52 | Ashex | aaand looks like my laptop didn't generate a new ssh-id like it should have |
| 03:10.57 | Ashex | it's on the blacklist |
| 03:11.34 | kingsley | Does anyone here happen to know what happened to bugs.debian.org? It's not responding to my request to view bug reports. |
| 03:11.39 | Ashex | at least that's what these two lines from the debug tell me: |
| 03:11.50 | Ashex | debug1: Found e5:bc:0f:a6:b5:a1:a3:ff:12:1a:d7:7e:fd:71:b4:0c in blacklist |
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| 03:11.56 | Ashex | Public key e5:bc:0f:a6:b5:a1:a3:ff:12:1a:d7:7e:fd:71:b4:0c blacklisted (see ssh-vulnkey(1)) |
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| 03:13.18 | Ashex | yep, now it works |
| 03:14.30 | stew | kingsley: its down, use bugs.donarmstrong.com for now |
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| 03:15.38 | stew | abrotman: which laptop? |
| 03:16.07 | kingsley | stew: OK. Thank you. |
| 03:16.08 | abrotman | G40 |
| 03:16.33 | abrotman | stew: 2384-33u IIRC |
| 03:16.44 | abrotman | waves |
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| 03:21.04 | greeg | hi |
| 03:21.17 | greeg | does Debian use oss for anything? does alsa obselete it? |
| 03:22.08 | stew | greeg: there are a lot of applications that still use the oss interface, which alsa can emulate |
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| 03:28.11 | n-iCe | How do I permanently use iso-8859-1? in the terminal |
| 03:28.16 | callahad | stew: If only alsa could properly mix software channels :( |
| 03:28.58 | stew | callahad: it can |
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| 03:29.11 | callahad | stew: Yet, for some reason, it refuses to on my box :( |
| 03:29.32 | stew | callahad: if your hardware doesn't support hardware mixing, you can use alsa's software mixing: /msg dpkg dmix |
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| 03:31.51 | callahad | stew: I've seen those; didn't work out. Boggled my mind because I did have it working last week (reformatted to finally start using LVM). Yet all the config files from my backup are identical to my current ones. And it still fails to mix. Ended up setting up Pulse, which seems to work. |
| 03:32.22 | stew | callahad: the config file to look at would be ~/.asoundrc |
| 03:32.27 | n-iCe | How do I permanently use iso-8859-1? in the terminal the charset |
| 03:32.36 | stew | n-iCe: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 03:32.41 | unixSnob | thinks smbfs.ko should still exist, and symbolicly link to cifs.ko, so the change to cifs doesn't screw folks up |
| 03:32.53 | stew | unixSnob: it wouldn't have helped your problem |
| 03:33.23 | stew | unixSnob: nor would a symbolic link do what your thinking it would do |
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| 03:33.33 | callahad | stew: The prior install didn't use a custom asoundrc or asound.conf; things Just Worked once I unmuted channels in alasamixer and set sinks in gconf/system/gstreamer/0.10/defaults/ |
| 03:34.26 | stew | callahad: so you did or didn't have dmix working? |
| 03:34.40 | n-iCe | right stew thanks, and for upgrade my kenerl? |
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| 03:34.56 | stew | n-iCe: what cpu do you have? |
| 03:35.09 | n-iCe | gateway |
| 03:35.18 | stew | they make cpus? |
| 03:35.20 | callahad | stew: As far as I can tell, I did have dmix working (the "automagically works in alsa >= 1.0.9" type of dmix). I was able to play Banshee + Pidgin + Flashplugin-nonfree audio concurrently. |
| 03:35.20 | n-iCe | debian lenny |
| 03:35.39 | n-iCe | stew: they do |
| 03:35.53 | n-iCe | using [i386] |
| 03:36.08 | callahad | stew: Sorry if I'm a little curt, I appreciate the assistance :) |
| 03:36.10 | stew | n-iCe: are you confusing "computer" with "CPU"? |
| 03:36.49 | stew | i was unaware that dmix "automagically works in alsa >= 1.0.9" |
| 03:37.04 | n-iCe | stew: maybe |
| 03:37.42 | stew | n-iCe: aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 03:37.53 | callahad | stew: re: http://alsa.opensrc.org/home/w/org/opensrc/alsa/index.php?title=DmixPlugin "For ALSA 1.0.9rc2 and higher you don't need to setup dmix. Dmix is enabled as default for soundcards which don't support hw mixing." Whether or not it was dmix, I was definitely able to mix multiple sources, and I certainly don't have hardware that supports it. |
| 03:38.08 | n-iCe | stew: that's all ¬¬ |
| 03:38.28 | callahad | stew: Though come to think of it, I wonder if esd might have crept into my system somehow? |
| 03:38.32 | stew | n-iCe: to upgrade to the lastest kernel for your release, run "aptitude install linux-image-2.6-686" |
| 03:38.44 | stew | callahad: that should be easy to check |
| 03:38.46 | n-iCe | stew: awesome, thanks |
| 03:39.07 | wols | callahad: flash still uses /dev/dsp IIRC which esd doesn't cover |
| 03:39.13 | stew | callahad: is alsa-oss installed? |
| 03:39.24 | callahad | stew: Yep, alsa-oss is go. |
| 03:39.32 | n-iCe | stew: after that, just reboot? |
| 03:39.47 | stew | n-iCe: which bootloader are you using? grub? lilo? |
| 03:39.58 | n-iCe | stew: grub |
| 03:40.04 | n-iCe | I need to update it, right? |
| 03:40.16 | stew | n-iCe: then yes, you should just need to reboot, no installing the kernel should update grub for you |
| 03:40.36 | n-iCe | ah, ok awesome |
| 03:40.38 | n-iCe | thanks so much. |
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| 03:41.10 | callahad | wols: So, if gstreamer sinks were set to alsasink device=foo, and /dev/dsp was covered by alsa-oss... then I must've been getting software mixing through alsa. And somehow I'm not anymore :( |
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| 03:44.46 | Mad | Does apt-get have a dependency check to remove unneeded libs and such? |
| 03:45.20 | n-iCe | apt-get autoremove ? |
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| 03:46.08 | stew | Mad: it does in version 0.7 and later (which isn't in debian stable) |
| 03:46.11 | Mad | doesnt seem my version has autoremove |
| 03:46.18 | misc-- | stew: before, you said to sign packages I just use debsign -kkeyid changes.foo, but what if I don't have any .changes or .dsc files (I don't use sources packages - my packages are just binaries and I build them using dpkg-deb --build ...etc)? |
| 03:46.23 | Mad | ah ok any way before 0.7 |
| 03:46.37 | pickcoder | deborphan? |
| 03:46.51 | stew | Mad: it is recommended that you use aptitude instead, but that won't help with things installed with apt-get, only with things installed by aptitude. if you want to clean up after apt-get, you can use debfoster or deborphan to identify packages |
| 03:47.32 | stew | misc--: so you want to sign the repository? |
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| 03:47.46 | misc-- | stew: yeah that's right |
| 03:47.51 | stew | misc--: i don't know of .debs being signed, but the Release file of a repository is signed |
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| 03:48.52 | stew | misc--: which you would do with "gpg --sign Release" |
| 03:48.59 | misc-- | stew: I just want to install the packages from my custom repo without it saying that the packages are not trusted, so if I can get away with signing the repo (and not the .debs' themselves) then that will be fine |
| 03:49.26 | stew | misc--: you'd just sign the release file |
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| 03:50.11 | misc-- | stew: ahh ok. Actually I don't have a Release file either, I just have Packages.gz and then the .deb files |
| 03:50.22 | stew | misc--: then make a release file |
| 03:50.30 | misc-- | stew: I will look into it though, you have given me some pointers, thanks |
| 03:50.46 | stew | misc--: /msg dpkg repository |
| 03:51.10 | misc-- | ah, thanks =) |
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| 03:51.38 | stew | misc--: that howto should show you how to create a Release file, to sign it youd just "gpg --sign Release" which would create a Release.gpg |
| 03:52.15 | stew | misc--: then you'd have tp update apt to have the public key of the key you used to sign the release, using 'apt-key add' |
| 03:52.20 | misc-- | stew: ok great thanks. Just looking now, looks easy enough. I already have a key and it's imported into my client, so should be fairly easy |
| 03:52.52 | misc-- | actually of course I need to re-insert my key in the client seeing I put the wrong one in before |
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| 03:54.35 | stew | misc--: actually it looks like the Release files are ascii armored |
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| 03:54.41 | stew | err, the Release.gpg files |
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| 03:55.03 | misc-- | ascii armored? Hmm ok |
| 03:55.18 | stew | misc--: meaning use gpg --sign -a |
| 03:55.32 | misc-- | ahh right ok |
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| 03:56.35 | misc-- | I have to leave now but will try when I'm back. Thanks again for the help. |
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| 04:11.15 | JeffH | was there a new libc released for stable? I didn't see a security update e-mail but I've got an update. |
| 04:11.42 | PeterFA | "Retrieving bug reports..." <-- installing kbfx hangs here everytime. |
| 04:11.51 | PeterFA | Is there a way to just skip the bug reports for now? |
| 04:14.11 | stew | JeffH: yes, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/glibc/news/20080726T094032Z.html |
| 04:14.32 | JeffH | thanks. |
| 04:14.48 | stew | JeffH: (it wasn't a security update) |
| 04:15.12 | JeffH | oh, I thought an e-mail was sent out for every package update. |
| 04:15.25 | stew | JeffH: to which list? |
| 04:15.36 | JeffH | the debian security list |
| 04:15.37 | jetscreamer | somebody explain to me why i get all the bugs nobody else gets |
| 04:15.45 | jetscreamer | ah, i'm not common |
| 04:15.52 | dalias | hey why does apt-get now insist on installing 'recommends' as dependencies?? |
| 04:15.55 | dalias | and how can i prevent that |
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| 04:16.05 | stew | JeffH: only DSAs get sent to that list afaik |
| 04:16.14 | JeffH | DSA's? |
| 04:16.18 | jetscreamer | dalias: that's the second time today that's been asked fyi |
| 04:16.21 | dalias | deb security advisories |
| 04:16.26 | jetscreamer | dalias: man apt-preferences |
| 04:16.28 | JeffH | gotcha. |
| 04:16.32 | dalias | jetscreamer, thanks |
| 04:16.34 | jetscreamer | dalias: and there's a factoid about it... |
| 04:16.36 | jetscreamer | uh... |
| 04:16.43 | dalias | it doesnt seem to be in man apt.conf |
| 04:17.01 | dalias | and man apt-preferences doesn't seem to exist.. |
| 04:17.05 | PeterFA | Yeah, apt-get hangs when it tries to download the bug information when I try to install kbfx. |
| 04:17.06 | jetscreamer | or no wait |
| 04:17.09 | PeterFA | How do I get around this? |
| 04:17.16 | jetscreamer | !recommends |
| 04:17.24 | JeffH | I need to augment my script that e-mails me a list of available package updates to link to their respective change summary. |
| 04:17.36 | jetscreamer | !apt recommends |
| 04:17.36 | dpkg | apt recommends is, like, since lenny apt-get installs recommended packages by default; if you don't want a minesweeper to be installed when you install backup software, add "APT::Install-Recommends no;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf, or as a one-off, you can: apt-get -o "APT::Install-Recommends=no;" install package_name |
| 04:17.40 | jetscreamer | there ya go |
| 04:17.44 | dalias | if apt-get already installed a bunch of idiotic recommends, is there an easy way to find and remove them all? |
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| 04:18.10 | jetscreamer | not sure |
| 04:18.30 | jetscreamer | you could do the reinstall thing, edit the list, and continue |
| 04:18.35 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 04:18.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 04:18.36 | dalias | i just installed debian on my new eeepc |
| 04:18.40 | jetscreamer | the second portion |
| 04:18.46 | stew | i can't imagine there is a way to separate idiodic ones from the non-idiodic majority |
| 04:18.57 | jetscreamer | idiotic |
| 04:19.04 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 04:19.16 | dalias | and needless to say i don't want the small solid state drive filled with useless crap i didn't request |
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| 04:19.30 | jetscreamer | your deb-fu is strong, but my eng-fu is supieror |
| 04:19.32 | jetscreamer | err |
| 04:19.35 | jetscreamer | nm |
| 04:19.46 | stew | superior |
| 04:20.09 | dalias | stew, well i would consider any package that was installed without me requesting it or being a necessary dependency of a package i requested to be 'idiotic' :) |
| 04:20.31 | dalias | jetscreamer, is there a way using aptitude maybe? |
| 04:20.41 | jetscreamer | dalias: no idea at all |
| 04:20.49 | dalias | i mean, the recommends that were auto-installed should be flagged as auto-installed and not manual-installed right? |
| 04:21.05 | jetscreamer | dalias: if you had used aptitude always, there is a revert thing, or a log or so... it keeps a record. |
| 04:21.31 | jetscreamer | i don't use aptitude though, because once in the beginning i used --with-suggests --with-recommends :) |
| 04:21.41 | stew | dalias: if they were installed as depends or reommends they would be marked as automatically installed, yes |
| 04:21.42 | dalias | :) |
| 04:21.45 | jetscreamer | * got installed |
| 04:21.48 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 04:22.18 | stew | dalias: by definition you should expect the recommends to be installed when you install a package |
| 04:22.22 | JeffH | next time I rebuild my box I'll alias out apt-get so I have to use aptitude and I get better dependecy tracking. |
| 04:22.32 | jetscreamer | i thin kthey took --with-suggests out, not sure |
| 04:22.44 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 04:22.55 | dalias | stew, doesn't sound reasonable to me, and it was not always that way.. |
| 04:22.56 | jetscreamer | there is a --without i believe also.. (not sure) |
| 04:23.05 | stew | dalias: that is the very definition of Recommends: |
| 04:23.19 | JeffH | without is the default isn't it? |
| 04:23.51 | pickcoder | I never remember recommends being installed automatically |
| 04:23.59 | JeffH | I never automatically install the suggests or recommends. I figure if I need the packages I'll install them. |
| 04:24.02 | stew | JeffH: with is the default in lenny and unstable |
| 04:24.23 | stew | "The Recommends field should list packages that would be found together with this one in all but unusual installations." |
| 04:24.24 | JeffH | stew: wow, is that going to carry through to the next stable? |
| 04:24.27 | dalias | some packaged recommend the most idiotic things |
| 04:24.35 | stew | JeffH: yes, 'lenny' is the next stable |
| 04:24.39 | dalias | like a FONT, intended for users, recommending all sorts of font hacking software.... |
| 04:24.44 | JeffH | that really stinks. |
| 04:24.45 | stew | dalias: then please file bugs to have them changed to "Suggests:" |
| 04:24.48 | jelly-home | dalias: file bugs |
| 04:25.07 | dalias | and autofs recommends nfs crap |
| 04:25.21 | dalias | even tho it's perfectly useful for removable media (and much more useful for that imo) |
| 04:25.28 | stew | dalias: this is the wrong place for these complaints |
| 04:25.31 | dalias | :) |
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| 04:26.04 | dalias | ok ok |
| 04:26.14 | stew | and apt-get certainly never installs recommends without telling you what it is doing first |
| 04:26.19 | JeffH | I need to figure out what wierd requires I have that requires me to have libqt installed. |
| 04:26.49 | jetscreamer | lots of things iirc |
| 04:27.07 | jetscreamer | !search |
| 04:27.08 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 04:27.22 | jetscreamer | -S |
| 04:27.44 | stew | JeffH: aptitude search '~i~Dlibqt' |
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| 04:28.03 | JeffH | I know. That was a statement, not a question. |
| 04:28.06 | n-iCe | how to install all kernel headers and sources |
| 04:28.19 | jetscreamer | use the -all header package |
| 04:28.20 | stew | n-iCe: what do you mean by "all"? |
| 04:28.28 | jetscreamer | there is a meta package to get them all |
| 04:28.49 | jetscreamer | but you might want apt-get install linux-heades-`uname -r` instead |
| 04:28.54 | jetscreamer | err headers |
| 04:28.55 | n-iCe | well, to install kernel headers and sources =p stew |
| 04:29.10 | stew | n-iCe: why do you want kernel sources? |
| 04:29.19 | greeg | http://wiki.debian.org/ is down |
| 04:29.22 | stew | greeg: yes |
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| 04:29.37 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search linux-source, pick one. use the header instal lcomand i gave you. done. don't forget b-e and kernel-package |
| 04:29.39 | jetscreamer | !b-e |
| 04:29.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 04:29.51 | n-iCe | stew: is not good? |
| 04:30.46 | stew | n-iCe: i don't understand the question |
| 04:30.50 | jetscreamer | no he wants to tell you how you don't need to comile a kernel |
| 04:30.57 | jetscreamer | n-iCe: |
| 04:31.00 | jetscreamer | ^^ |
| 04:31.05 | n-iCe | oh I was not reading jetscreamer , sorry |
| 04:31.05 | jetscreamer | compile :) |
| 04:31.15 | n-iCe | I did the kernel upgrade, worked. |
| 04:31.15 | greeg | this sucks. i have an nvidia card that needs to be installed by hand since im configuring my kernel |
| 04:31.20 | JeffH | That's right.. it's hplip that requires libqt3-mt. That's about the most brain dead requirement I've ever seen. |
| 04:31.21 | n-iCe | Now Want to install kernel headers and sources |
| 04:31.33 | stew | n-iCe: what are you going to use the sources for? |
| 04:31.43 | jetscreamer | greeg: http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt if you want the nvidia installer and such |
| 04:31.47 | n-iCe | stew: I don't know, but I used to had them |
| 04:31.55 | jetscreamer | use debian sources if you have too much hair |
| 04:32.03 | stew | n-iCe: "apt-cache search linux-source" |
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| 04:32.45 | n-iCe | and headers? |
| 04:33.03 | jetscreamer | n-iCe: you might just wait till you need to compile something, then install them |
| 04:33.07 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
| 04:33.09 | greeg | jetscreamer: hey thanx. do you happen to have an other one for sound blasters ? |
| 04:33.10 | jetscreamer | just a thought |
| 04:33.32 | stew | n-iCe: apt-cache search linux headers |
| 04:33.35 | jetscreamer | not really i just use snd-emu10k1 on my sb live |
| 04:33.40 | jetscreamer | it 'justworks' |
| 04:33.51 | n-iCe | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 04:33.57 | n-iCe | I just read jetscreamer , thanks |
| 04:34.00 | jetscreamer | n-iCe: ` not ' |
| 04:34.00 | greeg | btw i need legacy drivers for nVidia |
| 04:34.12 | jetscreamer | greeg then use the one marked legacy |
| 04:34.13 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 04:34.24 | jetscreamer | n-iCe: over the ` |
| 04:34.26 | jetscreamer | err |
| 04:34.29 | jetscreamer | over the ~ |
| 04:34.31 | jetscreamer | under |
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| 04:35.26 | jetscreamer | oh.. nm you did |
| 04:36.17 | PeterFA | No ideas on the hanging download of bug information? |
| 04:36.33 | jetscreamer | wtf? i'm doing it yet again with the etch installer.. it says 'retrieving file 657 of 657',but it's on 18% |
| 04:36.44 | PeterFA | jetscreamer, it's a huge file then. |
| 04:36.50 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 04:37.19 | PeterFA | jetscreamer, it's about 5 times larger than the others put together.. |
| 04:37.26 | jetscreamer | i mean the red&blue progress bar, not like wget console output |
| 04:37.29 | dalias | ok bug reports filed |
| 04:37.30 | jetscreamer | or dpkg |
| 04:37.36 | dalias | thanks for suggesting that |
| 04:37.44 | jetscreamer | yeah must be that windows kernel i'm apt-getting... |
| 04:37.55 | PeterFA | jetscreamer, the Vista kernel. |
| 04:38.07 | jetscreamer | no doubt |
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| 04:38.39 | PeterFA | while{!isCrashed()) { doNothing(); ... } |
| 04:38.40 | jetscreamer | maybe this box needs woody or sarge :/ |
| 04:39.05 | jetscreamer | least the hd light is blinking |
| 04:39.16 | jetscreamer | ahh it's preparing something |
| 04:39.18 | jetscreamer | yay |
| 04:39.36 | jetscreamer | so that bar isn't just the d/l progress |
| 04:39.36 | PeterFA | Anyone know how to skip over the download of bug information? I'm kind of hung up here. |
| 04:40.03 | jetscreamer | hanging d/l of bug info? |
| 04:40.11 | jetscreamer | in what, reportbug? |
| 04:40.15 | jelly-home | apt-listbugs probably |
| 04:40.22 | PeterFA | jetscreamer, yeah. I try to install kbfx and it hangs when it gets the bug information. |
| 04:40.38 | greeg | when's wiki.debian.org gonna be back up ? |
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| 04:41.41 | PeterFA | Wow, OS is now a 30 billion dollar business. |
| 04:41.44 | PeterFA | Wow wow wow. |
| 04:41.51 | PeterFA | Linus didn't expect this. |
| 04:41.57 | doublehp | who can help me build a nice .Xauthority so that ssh -X will work ? |
| 04:41.58 | Macer | anybody here run nit-debian on an n800? |
| 04:42.33 | jetscreamer | greeg: we wouldn't know, probably |
| 04:42.55 | jetscreamer | Macer: you should just ask the real question |
| 04:44.49 | Macer | well... i'm trying to connect my n95 to my n800 running nit-debian and i can't seem to get them to pair up. |
| 04:45.33 | Macer | it doesn't seem to connectt to the phone.. i figured all you needed to do was cc and auth ... but cc doesn't give an output and auth won't work at all |
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| 04:46.10 | Macer | it does detect teh n95 in the scan though.. i just can't seem to get them paired up.. anybody have any suggestions.. been looking on site after site for a solution and haven't come across one yet |
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| 04:48.50 | Macer | guess not huh? :) |
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| 04:52.38 | extor | http://i34.tinypic.com/2cfxhsx.png <--- Damn I wish I could figure out what is going on here |
| 04:53.52 | doublehp | extor: broken CGI ? |
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| 04:54.04 | extor | yeah |
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| 04:56.30 | doublehp | i am running "xinit"; how do i allow "ssh -X" clients to forward X streams to my local workstation ? |
| 04:58.02 | valdyn | !sshx |
| 04:58.02 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
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| 05:02.37 | doublehp | valdyn: that is what i did, and did not work |
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| 05:05.20 | jelly-home | doublehp: how did it not work, ehich step fails? |
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| 05:05.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp: did you restart the sshd after enabling X11Forwarding? |
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| 05:05.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | someone has to ask the stupid questions... and I'm him :-P |
| 05:07.32 | doublehp | CutMeOwnThroat: does reboot count ? |
| 05:07.55 | doublehp | jelly-home: http://rafb.net/p/NwZAcQ45.html |
| 05:08.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp: anyways - try ssh -X -v and see what it sais, also shutdown the sshd on the remote machine and start it with sshd -D and see what that sais |
| 05:08.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp: pretty much does count |
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| 05:09.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp: also, "echo $DISPLAY" after you went to the remote machine with ssh -X (must be something like :10 or :11 for forwarding) |
| 05:10.05 | doublehp | DISPLAY is empty |
| 05:11.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp: actually, do ssh -X -vv |
| 05:11.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | single v doesn't say enough |
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| 05:11.47 | rodna01 | I am using lenny on AMD64 laptop NVIDIA VGA atheros WIFi - THe KDE desktop is completely unconfigured - even if you mount the HDD you cannot read it - NTFS external HDD cannot be read - even a plain CD cannot be read - how can I give feeback to maintainers (or is any suggestion box) :) |
| 05:11.55 | doublehp | CutMeOwnThroat: http://rafb.net/p/EXx9RQ51.html this is wrong ... because, i ssh from moon, to leon, thus, i want X output to come out on moon's screen ! |
| 05:12.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | should say debug2: channel 0: request x11-req confirm 0 |
| 05:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp: localhost:10 is correct |
| 05:12.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | :0 is the display on the local machine |
| 05:13.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | :10 and upwards are virtual displays created by ssh for the forwarding |
| 05:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | and actually your error is weird |
| 05:13.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | "BadDrawable" is not "permission denied" |
| 05:14.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | I have the impression your forwarding is working |
| 05:14.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | only this weird Eterm borks |
| 05:14.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | or something |
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| 05:14.48 | greeg | hi |
| 05:15.15 | doublehp | i have a different error reverse way round ... (from leon to moon) ... Xlib connection to localhost:10.0 refused by server ... Invalid MIT-Magic-cookie-1 key (refers to .Xauth) |
| 05:15.30 | doublehp | same with xclock :) |
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| 05:16.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | doublehp: there your forwarding is working, but setting up the magic cookie didn't work |
| 05:16.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, past midnight |
| 05:16.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | lets see if the thunderstom flooded my appartment through the open windows :-/ |
| 05:16.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | g'night |
| 05:18.26 | doublehp | CutMeOwnThroat: from leon (debian fluxbox) to moon (Gentoo E17) http://rafb.net/p/SQvlrM98.html => it does not work in any way ... |
| 05:18.46 | rznk | CutMeOwnThroat: Night mate. Hope the damage isn't so bad. |
| 05:19.08 | doublehp | CutMeOwnThroat: magick cookies are about .Xauthority ... that dpkg said i could ignore |
| 05:19.20 | doublehp | :s |
| 05:19.50 | enouf | doublehp: not sure, but check out section Listing 4. Attempting to start xclock (a bit above, and mostly below it) http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-sek51-basics/index.html |
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| 05:24.01 | Skipp_OSX | debian ftw |
| 05:25.05 | doublehp | enouf: been out last friday ? |
| 05:25.12 | doublehp | :) |
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| 05:25.42 | enouf | er ... huh? yeah, i went out, IIRC |
| 05:25.44 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 05:35.37 | doublehp | i fixed my ssh -X problem one way, i dont know how, and the way i did not need :'( |
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| 05:44.23 | NomadX | Hello, I'm trying to get php5 enabled on my apache2 install... the php5.load and .conf are symlinked in /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/ .. is there something else I was supposed to do? |
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| 05:44.44 | wols | restart apache |
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| 05:44.47 | NomadX | Using updated lenny |
| 05:45.00 | NomadX | oh yea, heh.. I did a restart its still not working |
| 05:45.12 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 05:45.12 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 05:45.50 | NomadX | its trying to cause the client to download it like a file |
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| 05:47.12 | NomadX | that is, I'm getting an 'Open with:' dialog from iceweasel on index.php |
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| 05:50.54 | doublehp | enouf: http://lists.apple.com/archives/X11-users/2003/Sep/msg00081.html i would say: if solaris and macOS did not find a solution, it's worthless i search any :) |
| 05:51.27 | enouf | doublehp: http://www.mail-archive.com/xpert@xfree86.org/msg07064.html possible? |
| 05:51.48 | enouf | doublehp: the follow-up |
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| 05:53.23 | doublehp | enouf: 1: i am using 16bpp 2: it was an Xorg specific bug that "have been fixed in the mean time" ... |
| 05:53.24 | enouf | http://www.rahul.net/kenton/perrors.html |
| 05:53.45 | enouf | doublehp: i see - and i would've thought so - but ya never know ;-) |
| 05:53.58 | enouf | but check out that other url there |
| 05:54.16 | enouf | Published in The X Journal, March, 1993. O_o |
| 05:55.23 | doublehp | enouf: i am not having BadValue but BadDrawable ... and they refer to a *book* !!! |
| 05:55.29 | doublehp | paperbook ! |
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| 05:57.15 | enouf | doublehp: i initially was going to make 2 separate WAGs; a) your gentoo x or ssh is missing something, or b) the Xorg -nolisten tcp option is (somehow) interfering, so udp is being used? - but supposedly, according to the (sshx X11 forwarding) factoids, that's not supposed to matter if done as factoid mentions |
| 05:57.31 | enouf | doublehp: BadDrawable is listed in there |
| 05:57.44 | enouf | and so is; X Error of failed request |
| 05:58.12 | doublehp | enouf: i am running xinit (on both machines ) |
| 05:59.41 | doublehp | enouf: what can you suggest as deeper test ? |
| 06:00.27 | enouf | doublehp: sadly, my X debugging knowledge is nil to nonexistant :-{ |
| 06:00.59 | wols | !test |
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| 06:01.10 | wols | dpkg: lazy git! |
| 06:01.15 | enouf | test failed |
| 06:01.23 | wols | !soundcheck |
| 06:01.32 | wols | enouf: now I expect an answer for that from YOU! |
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| 06:01.47 | enouf | ONE TWO |
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| 06:02.48 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 06:02.49 | enouf | doublehp: get some better errors ;-) one's that have fixes on google :-P |
| 06:02.49 | dpkg | wols: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 06:02.50 | dpkg | Pff pff, is this thing on? cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp; if it doesn't fail, you either have OSS or alsa with OSS emulation working. |
| 06:02.56 | enouf | haha |
| 06:03.06 | enouf | dpkg: you were backlogged again? |
| 06:03.06 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 06:03.13 | doublehp | enouf: in other words: i am not developing an X app: i am *using* ssh -X |
| 06:03.25 | enouf | doublehp: i know |
| 06:03.37 | doublehp | enouf: :S |
| 06:03.39 | doublehp | :) |
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| 06:03.46 | enouf | :-) |
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| 06:09.03 | doublehp | enouf: http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-p-5173303.html#5173303 |
| 06:09.43 | enouf | doublehp: nice |
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| 06:10.56 | enouf | doublehp: erm, you should also post what your X and maybe even ssh lines look like in say ps aux, or pstree -lunap , or such |
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| 06:11.53 | doublehp | enouf: tired (8AM) bed time :) |
| 06:12.00 | coffee1 | i say the bull**** aint stoppin till deez playa hatin n****z body rockin |
| 06:12.11 | coffee1 | you guys gotta hear this song |
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| 06:12.39 | ClimDan | Cool Euro Jobs site => new-employment eu |
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| 06:12.57 | enouf | tucks in doublehp |
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| 06:13.23 | coffee1 | http://www.thesixtyone.com/brianjlowry/ <- click "radiate" second link |
| 06:13.27 | coffee1 | awwwesome remix |
| 06:14.09 | enouf | mplayer -playlist "http://play.rbn.com/?url=cspan/g2cspan/live/cspan1-g2.rm&proto=rtsp" <-- watch that folks - live stream - learn how OPEC cartel has US on it's knees, and what we need to do |
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| 06:15.18 | enouf | George W Bush cowtows to Saudi King ... hahahaha |
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| 06:17.19 | Igneous | Err.. I'm having an "interesting" issue with apt |
| 06:17.23 | Igneous | http://nopaste.com/p/a5uTcut1R |
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| 06:27.42 | enouf | oh baby; ~$ mplayer -dumpstream ftw |
| 06:28.35 | martian67 | lol |
| 06:29.00 | enouf | looks like dependency hell |
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| 06:30.18 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache depends libicu38 | xargs |
| 06:30.19 | enouf | libicu38 Depends: libc6 Depends: libgcc1 Depends: libstdc++6 |
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| 06:31.26 | enouf | that's not a lot ;-) but did you install a newer libc6? playing with your sources.list and mixing releases eh? |
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| 06:37.13 | niru | is there any command to logout |
| 06:37.31 | enouf | niru: exit ? |
| 06:37.43 | enouf | logout? |
| 06:37.53 | sep | [ctrl]+[d] |
| 06:37.59 | niru | enouf, I want to logout from command line |
| 06:38.05 | enouf | ... |
| 06:38.05 | niru | enouf, which command shall i use |
| 06:38.23 | enouf | any one |
| 06:38.34 | niru | enouf, that is logging out of terminal |
| 06:38.38 | niru | not from the system |
| 06:38.44 | enouf | ... |
| 06:39.58 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:40.33 | debCarlos | Hi |
| 06:40.42 | niru | enouf, I have done the same what sep mentioned but it is loggin out of the terminal only |
| 06:40.54 | niru | not from the system |
| 06:41.26 | Igneous | enouf, sorry, went afk, to be honest, I have no idea what happened. I do have a repo for codeblocks ide, but that's essentially my only custom repo. and no, my libc6 is the standard one from the repos. |
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| 06:42.27 | enouf | niru: i don't know offhand, i'm sure there's a way - maybe man telinit |
| 06:43.06 | enouf | or .. man console_codes? |
| 06:43.08 | enouf | ^D ! Ends input for interactive programs. The program will act as if you piped a file to it that now has reached the end, and will usually terminate itself. For this reason it's also a simple way of logging out (an alternative to exit). |
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| 06:43.50 | jetscreamer | apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 06:43.58 | jetscreamer | just a thought |
| 06:44.35 | jetscreamer | exit btw niru |
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| 06:44.37 | jetscreamer | works for me |
| 06:44.45 | likaijun | hello ,I want to modify a grub package for my customed ISO.but when I build the ISO, it show that "Couldn't download grub-data" . Can someone tell me how to do ? |
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| 06:44.51 | jetscreamer | or any of those they gave |
| 06:44.52 | enouf | Igneous: maybe try aptitude -s remove pkgname - see if it gives you more info / options |
| 06:45.52 | enouf | jetscreamer: i think niru wants to simultaneously the user out of ALL ttys they are logged into, in one command |
| 06:46.37 | jetscreamer | o |
| 06:46.58 | Igneous | hahaha oh wow, aptitude |
| 06:47.15 | jetscreamer | he never said that though eh |
| 06:47.20 | Igneous | enouf, http://nopaste.com/p/a7KmY03ef |
| 06:47.37 | enouf | maybe telinit with the -q or -u options niru ? i can't test those right now |
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| 06:48.14 | enouf | niru: in other words, causing all the {ge}ttys to respawn, etc .. |
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| 06:49.17 | enouf | libicu38 [3.8.1-3 (unstable, now)] <-- nice Igneous |
| 06:49.29 | Igneous | that's what I get for running sid |
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| 06:49.39 | enouf | aptitude -f install |
| 06:49.42 | enouf | yep |
| 06:49.59 | enouf | and as jetscreamer mentioned some form of upgrade maybe |
| 06:50.22 | Igneous | oh this is _not_ good |
| 06:50.24 | jetscreamer | aptitude's default upgrade behavior changed, iirc |
| 06:50.30 | jetscreamer | removing stuff? |
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| 06:50.42 | Igneous | http://nopaste.com/p/a07MdSQJo |
| 06:50.51 | jetscreamer | something about dist-upgrade works and upgrade kinda bites? |
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| 06:50.57 | reklipz | for some reason, whenever i run iceweasel, it just shows the "starting iceweasel" button in the tray, and then never actually starts. I've tried apt-get remove iceweasel && apt-get install iceweasel, but it continues to not work. I'm running debian lenny amd64. |
| 06:51.18 | niru | enouf, jetscreamer I got the solution |
| 06:51.18 | ixnay | tried purging when you remove it? |
| 06:51.26 | niru | enouf, jetscreamer its gnome-session-save --kill |
| 06:51.28 | reklipz | umm, think so, ill try agaion |
| 06:51.29 | sladi | reklipz: Did you try from CLI? |
| 06:51.39 | reklipz | indeed i have tried from a terminal |
| 06:51.45 | reklipz | and it just doesn't do jack then |
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| 06:52.39 | sladi | reklipz: Maybe try -profilemanager IIRC |
| 06:52.41 | enouf | Igneous: http://nopaste.com/p/a7KmY03ef is likely best |
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| 06:53.13 | sladi | reklipz: and create a new profile. |
| 06:53.15 | reklipz | it will respond to command line args |
| 06:53.17 | reklipz | (like, --help) |
| 06:53.21 | enouf | Igneous: just remove those versions of pkgs listed there, and reinstall the correct versions and/or suffer breakage |
| 06:53.26 | reklipz | which says you are looking for -ProfileManager |
| 06:53.40 | Igneous | gulps |
| 06:53.41 | reklipz | sladi: nothing |
| 06:54.05 | reklipz | it doesn't open a window, doesn't output any errors. nothing |
| 06:54.16 | enouf | niru: no gnome |
| 06:54.33 | enouf | all you had to do was restart your DM then .. lmao |
| 06:54.36 | sladi | Hm, works for me. Did you try another GTK app like GTK theme switcher? Also maybe strace iceweasel? |
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| 06:55.03 | enouf | niru: killing anything X is easy ;-) |
| 06:55.18 | enouf | i thought you meant ttys, console |
| 06:55.19 | reklipz | GTK theme switcher? what's the bin name? |
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| 06:55.37 | sladi | reklipz: gtk-theme-switch2 |
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| 06:56.12 | reklipz | dont have it, apt-get installing gtk-theme-switch |
| 06:56.27 | reklipz | that ran no problem |
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| 06:57.19 | reklipz | oooh |
| 06:57.19 | sladi | reklipz: #2 is for GTK2 apps. Also I guess a downloaded Firefox should just work. Maybe move the .mozilla dir |
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| 06:57.33 | reklipz | perm denied for ~/.mozilla/firefox |
| 06:58.06 | sladi | reklipz: that's probably the cache files |
| 06:58.10 | reklipz | yay! |
| 06:58.30 | reklipz | i musta sudo iceweasel'd at some point before i installed gnome |
| 06:58.41 | reklipz | it was owned by root |
| 06:58.47 | reklipz | deleted it and viola |
| 06:58.51 | sladi | reklipz: :) |
| 06:58.51 | reklipz | thanks for the help |
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| 06:58.57 | sladi | reklipz: NP |
| 06:58.59 | reklipz | now i can uninstall gnome, lol |
| 06:59.20 | reklipz | (everyone gasps) |
| 06:59.23 | enouf | haha, bye bye Bookmarks and Settings .. lmao |
| 06:59.41 | reklipz | enouf: you mean my firefox? |
| 07:00.12 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:00.17 | reklipz | enouf: hah, no worries, didn't have any anyways. it's only once on a blue moon that I used this computer for anything other than movie watching |
| 07:00.28 | reklipz | s/used/use |
| 07:00.47 | enouf | reklipz: i presumed as much, however thaty's not a working fix for most ;-) |
| 07:00.53 | reklipz | hehe |
| 07:01.07 | reklipz | sudo chown user:user .mozilla -R |
| 07:01.09 | reklipz | that should |
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| 07:01.20 | reklipz | for anyone who may search this in a cache somewhere |
| 07:01.21 | enouf | like, "i fixed it - i reinstalled the system from scratch" ;-) |
| 07:01.21 | jetscreamer | me i just chown ~ |
| 07:01.28 | jetscreamer | -R |
| 07:01.44 | reklipz | enouf: i've done that many a time |
| 07:01.48 | enouf | haha |
| 07:01.49 | reklipz | especially with this box |
| 07:01.56 | reklipz | damn new fangled AMD chipsets |
| 07:01.57 | enouf | patience is a virtue ;-) |
| 07:02.13 | reklipz | yeah, i had fun unlpugging drives from my raid |
| 07:02.32 | enouf | indeed - all my ~ files are owned by me ;-) |
| 07:02.48 | reklipz | tried to move them from internal mounting into the new 5.25 hot swap bay without restarting, didn't work too well |
| 07:02.55 | reklipz | wound up having to rebuild the array |
| 07:02.59 | reklipz | so i just nuked it all |
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| 07:03.03 | reklipz | was faster |
| 07:03.15 | enouf | yeah - that |
| 07:03.24 | reklipz | (obviously, i had no data worth backing up) |
| 07:03.25 | enouf | yeah - that's how you learn O_o |
| 07:03.39 | reklipz | yep |
| 07:03.43 | reklipz | well, thanks or the infos |
| 07:03.54 | reklipz | i think iceweasel should have tossed an error somewhere |
| 07:04.01 | enouf | sure - i know how it is though - really, not pickin on ya |
| 07:04.04 | reklipz | having to run an strace to figure out it was a file perm error... |
| 07:04.56 | reklipz | night all |
| 07:05.04 | enouf | waves |
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| 07:11.39 | DiegoMax | hello there |
| 07:12.39 | DiegoMax | i have a pretty basic question, but i cant figure out the answer.... i have set a cronjob to execute a bash script every 1 minute, how can i stop the cron daemon sending me one email every time the script is running ? |
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| 07:25.59 | zinkeldonk | Is this the right forum to be asking about preseeding? |
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| 07:28.12 | acidslep | hi |
| 07:28.14 | fgeek | this isn't a forum |
| 07:28.27 | acidslep | fgeek: talking to me? |
| 07:28.40 | enouf | DiegoMax: maybe the settings in /etc/syslog.conf, but you might be able to affect singular crons also through some cli options, don't know offhand |
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| 07:28.48 | fgeek | to zinkeldonk's stupid meta-question |
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| 07:29.14 | acidslep | where can i get _detailed_ information about hdparm? |
| 07:29.25 | zinkeldonk | Ok....whatever... |
| 07:29.54 | zinkeldonk | ....channel to be asking about preseeding |
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| 07:31.20 | wols | acidslep: man hdparm? |
| 07:31.28 | acidslep | way more detailed |
| 07:31.41 | wols | ata spec |
| 07:31.47 | acidslep | huh? |
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| 07:32.05 | wols | the spec after which hdparm acts |
| 07:32.30 | acidslep | :/ sorry i dont understand |
| 07:32.54 | acidslep | aKa? |
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| 07:33.51 | wols | the specification after that hdd makers, hdparm programmers, kernel driver programmers work |
| 07:33.56 | wols | ata-5 is the current one afaik |
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| 07:36.17 | acidslep | 6 |
| 07:36.34 | wols | good. then you found it :P |
| 07:36.39 | acidslep | but like, what exactly do the powermodes do, and stuff. |
| 07:37.03 | acidslep | maybe the texinfo is better |
| 07:37.13 | acidslep | nope |
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| 07:38.14 | acidslep | see, like that |
| 07:38.19 | acidslep | what does agressive mean exactly? |
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| 07:38.43 | acidslep | :/ |
| 07:38.49 | acidslep | im a moron apparently |
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| 07:41.08 | acidslep | is still trying to figure out what autoignore is |
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| 07:44.52 | likaijun | hello ,I want to modify a grub package for my customed ISO.but when I build the ISO, it show that "Couldn't download grub-data" . Can someone tell me how to do ? |
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| 07:45.23 | enouf | try #grub |
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| 07:46.21 | mordy | good morning all |
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| 07:47.00 | enouf | acidslep: a start; ~$ man -k HDIO |
| 07:47.25 | acidslep | ok |
| 07:47.43 | acidslep | woaaah |
| 07:47.48 | acidslep | HIDO: nothing appropriate. |
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| 07:48.03 | acidslep | never seen that before :) |
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| 07:49.22 | acidslep | oh, it was a search, im an idiot. |
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| 07:51.23 | mordy | i'm having trouble mounting a vfat partition - i'm doing /mount -t vfat /dev/hda7 /d-win - it mounts fine (that is, it doesn't return any errors) but apparently it's not picking up any "drive" (when i CD to the directory and ls, it just hangs and i don't see the HDD led blinking) |
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| 07:53.25 | jetscreamer | omfg what borkage etch->lenny |
| 07:54.04 | acidslep | what happen jet? |
| 07:54.23 | jetscreamer | everything afaict |
| 07:54.31 | jetscreamer | it's broke |
| 07:54.39 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 07:56.37 | jetscreamer | wants to quit messing with it and format it as fat |
| 07:57.25 | mordy | gah, i'm having trouble mounting a vfat partition :( |
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| 07:57.53 | jetscreamer | !rwvfat |
| 07:57.54 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 07:58.34 | mordy | i can'teven get read access |
| 07:58.49 | jetscreamer | that is how |
| 07:59.32 | jetscreamer | this is what i use though |
| 07:59.33 | jetscreamer | /dev/sdb1/home/sdb1vfatauto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=10000 0 |
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| 07:59.51 | jetscreamer | i'm 1000 .. it's for single user |
| 08:00.46 | jetscreamer | the first account created is 'usually' 1000 |
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| 08:02.12 | simonrvn | first non-system user yes |
| 08:02.22 | mordy | i guess i can do that with mount as well? |
| 08:02.24 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 08:02.26 | jetscreamer | yes |
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| 08:02.44 | jetscreamer | -t whatever |
| 08:02.48 | jetscreamer | err |
| 08:02.50 | jetscreamer | no -o |
| 08:02.53 | AlexAnteMachina | hello! |
| 08:03.09 | jetscreamer | -t is fs |
| 08:03.13 | AlexAnteMachina | I just came across debian-website |
| 08:03.28 | AlexAnteMachina | and I wonder why there is no system for amd32 |
| 08:03.33 | AlexAnteMachina | just amd64 |
| 08:03.36 | AlexAnteMachina | ??? |
| 08:03.49 | barnum | use x86 |
| 08:03.57 | AlexAnteMachina | okay. thank you! |
| 08:04.03 | jetscreamer | it's .. what he said.. see also i386 |
| 08:04.16 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
| 08:04.16 | dpkg | methinks amd64 is the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 08:04.26 | jetscreamer | amd doesn't mean A<D in this case |
| 08:04.28 | jetscreamer | err |
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| 08:04.31 | jetscreamer | AMD |
| 08:04.42 | mordy | jetscreamer - same problem |
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| 08:05.58 | jetscreamer | mordy: paste your mount command and the error |
| 08:06.00 | jetscreamer | !paste |
| 08:06.00 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 08:06.11 | mordy | jetscreamer, there's no error. it just hangs |
| 08:06.23 | jetscreamer | hangs? what/which hangs |
| 08:06.50 | jetscreamer | you mean you type the mount command, hit enter and nothing happens? |
| 08:06.53 | mordy | jestscreamer, when i cd to the mount point an ls - what's strange is that the HDD led doesn't even light up |
| 08:07.06 | mordy | jetscreamer, it seems to mount fine, since i don't get any mounting errors |
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| 08:07.38 | jetscreamer | paste the mount command and your fstab |
| 08:07.40 | enouf | show us it mounts fine |
| 08:07.48 | jetscreamer | or yeah |
| 08:07.54 | jetscreamer | what happens if you type mount |
| 08:07.55 | enouf | show us output of mount and cat /proc/mounts |
| 08:08.01 | jetscreamer | what he said |
| 08:08.02 | mordy | ok ok |
| 08:08.05 | enouf | pastebin ;-0 |
| 08:08.14 | xand | is it just me or is lenny's most recent kernel very unstable? on the two machines I've installed it on, the machine locks up after a while and has to be hard reset :| |
| 08:08.18 | enouf | and /etc/fstb isn't bad wither to showus |
| 08:08.31 | acidslep | haaaa |
| 08:08.34 | jetscreamer | output of fdisk -l couldn't hurt either |
| 08:08.49 | acidslep | i like how dpkg's paste entry is 3 lines long |
| 08:08.57 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 08:09.02 | jetscreamer | dpkg is special |
| 08:09.02 | dpkg | i don't know, jetscreamer |
| 08:09.05 | tarzeau | xterm: fatal IO error 32 (Broken pipe) or KillClient on X server "192.33.96.127:7.0" |
| 08:09.53 | mordy | here it is http://rafb.net/p/lKE2xu13.html |
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| 08:10.19 | jetscreamer | uid=0,gid=0 ? |
| 08:10.57 | mordy | jetscreamer - it's my root account |
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| 08:11.39 | jetscreamer | you don't need to add that, it's root only by default |
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| 08:11.58 | joneal | My audo isnt working |
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| 08:12.37 | mordy | well, yeah - i only added that a few minutes ago, hoping for some kind of magical cure. i have a feeling that this isn't a mount issue but rather a udev issue. i don't think that /dev/hda7 in udev is pathed to my actual /dev/hda7 partition |
| 08:13.39 | jetscreamer | try auto,users,noexec,rw,umask=022,fmask=0113,dmask=002,uid=1000,gid=1000 .. change the gid & uid to whatever |
| 08:13.54 | jetscreamer | not 0 |
| 08:14.07 | mordy | ok |
| 08:14.37 | jetscreamer | joneal: is this as the first user created? if not you need to add yourself to the audio group i think.. least you used to have to |
| 08:14.52 | joneal | yeah |
| 08:15.26 | jetscreamer | umount it first eh |
| 08:15.32 | joneal | I can play Sound through pref but not in webbrowser |
| 08:15.46 | joneal | or Desktop->Pref |
| 08:16.01 | mordy | jetscreamer... same thing |
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| 08:16.10 | jetscreamer | you might need the mplayer plugin or so.. not sure dude |
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| 08:16.43 | Dark_Shadow | hi |
| 08:17.01 | jelly-home | xand: which version? |
| 08:17.10 | jetscreamer | mordy: umount it and just do mount -t auto /dev/hda7 /mnt , as root, and try to cd to it as root |
| 08:17.14 | Dark_Shadow | i want to install debian using my flash disc 1go |
| 08:17.29 | mordy | jetscreamer. same thing hehe |
| 08:17.45 | jetscreamer | maybe it's really empty? |
| 08:17.46 | Dark_Shadow | what have i to download? |
| 08:18.03 | mordy | jetscreamer, if it's really empty then it wouldn't hang when i cd to it |
| 08:18.08 | jetscreamer | touch a file in that dir, do umount and ls.. then remount |
| 08:18.09 | jetscreamer | o |
| 08:18.16 | jetscreamer | beats me then |
| 08:18.39 | xand | jelly-home: Linux pcaejm 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 17:46:56 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 08:18.45 | Dark_Shadow | eats me thplease help me |
| 08:18.55 | xand | eat you? |
| 08:18.59 | xand | sorry, already had breakfast |
| 08:19.17 | xand | jelly-home: the other one is the same version but x86_64 |
| 08:19.25 | mordy | touches fine, but same problem again |
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| 08:20.36 | jetscreamer | Dark_Shadow: either http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/current/images/ or http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ |
| 08:20.47 | jetscreamer | but that's testing |
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| 08:20.56 | jetscreamer | i don't know where the stable usb is |
| 08:21.07 | Dark_Shadow | jetscreamer, i download this files? |
| 08:21.19 | Dark_Shadow | and copy them in my flash disc? |
| 08:21.23 | mordy | i wonder if there's some way i can test and see if each /dev/hd* entry is actually mapped to a partition |
| 08:21.48 | jetscreamer | Dark_Shadow: yes, but then you need to make it bootable.. read the install manual |
| 08:22.00 | jetscreamer | Dark_Shadow: i'm not real up on it |
| 08:22.27 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 08:23.04 | enouf | mordy: i'd fsck it - but wait - here;s my relevant entries that work; oh, yeah, mkdir /mnt/point ; chown -R user:group /mnt/point (set it to a regular user that you will also use to then mount and access uid=1000 or whatever) |
| 08:23.08 | jetscreamer | mordy: what about hda2 and hda1, do they work ? |
| 08:23.39 | mordy | jetscreamer - hda2 works - didn't try hda1 - but that's ntfs |
| 08:23.41 | enouf | mordy: ls -l /dev/disk/* |
| 08:24.30 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:25.21 | enouf | mordy: /mnt/p1 is owned by my uid 1000 user and group |
| 08:25.56 | enouf | so umount, and start all fresh |
| 08:26.06 | mordy | ok.. let's see if that will work. enouf - everything except the chown was done before |
| 08:26.11 | jetscreamer | yeah i chown my mountpoints also |
| 08:26.15 | jetscreamer | been a while |
| 08:26.29 | enouf | mordy: no, i don't use the dmask, fmask and crap .. but not sure that'll interfere |
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| 08:26.33 | jetscreamer | but.. he said he was root and it didn't work |
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| 08:26.51 | debCarlos | How can i reinstall a package? |
| 08:26.55 | enouf | root, won't work, as vfat has no concept of nix perms |
| 08:27.00 | jetscreamer | apt-get install --reinstall |
| 08:27.12 | debCarlos | ok, thanks jetscreamer :D |
| 08:27.15 | mordy | yeah, initially i just had no other options there except the partition, mount pount, and fs |
| 08:27.17 | jetscreamer | root can read it though |
| 08:27.18 | enouf | well, atleast i think it won't , i rarely even mount that sucker ;-) |
| 08:27.29 | jetscreamer | but he says root can't |
| 08:27.36 | mordy | would fsck fsck it up? |
| 08:27.38 | enouf | yeah, ok .. well .. |
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| 08:27.49 | enouf | mordy: it shouldn't, umount it prior |
| 08:27.52 | jetscreamer | i'm 'guessing' lame partition/fs |
| 08:28.11 | mordy | fsck /dev/hda7? |
| 08:28.26 | jetscreamer | no idea.. i stay clear of fsck so no idea.. i had it bork one on me once, but it wasn't it's fault |
| 08:28.29 | enouf | mordy: however, other partitions may also need it, since it and others are within your Ext'd partition ... sigh |
| 08:28.46 | enouf | mordy: man fsck.vfat |
| 08:29.16 | enouf | mordy: but try what i'm suggesting 1st .. |
| 08:29.23 | enouf | or don't ;-) |
| 08:29.27 | enouf | ok, bbiab |
| 08:29.46 | mordy | bbiab? badblocks? heard that could mess things up :-s |
| 08:30.15 | Greyscale | I have some software that won't compile under gcc 4.3. If I install gcc 4.2, how do I specify to use it before configuring, making and installing? |
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| 08:31.39 | mordy | gah, it appears that i don't have fsck.vfat (man gives me"no manual entry..." and fsck /dev/hda7 gives me "fsck.vfat not found") anf i don't know how to get it via apt |
| 08:32.56 | mordy | gah, now i got dosfstools - and am getting this at fsck "No root directory!" |
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| 08:36.17 | enouf | !bbiab |
| 08:36.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, bbiab is be back in a bit |
| 08:36.56 | mordy | oh |
| 08:36.58 | mordy | :p |
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| 08:37.25 | Anon9335 | Jelly are you still here !!1 |
| 08:37.25 | enouf | 1eleventy1 |
| 08:37.49 | jelly-home | ? |
| 08:37.50 | mordy | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290123 - well, my problem is similar to this guy, except i don't know what TestDisk is |
| 08:38.02 | Anon9335 | Hi jelly |
| 08:38.04 | enouf | it's a Recovery LiveCd |
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| 08:38.19 | Anon9335 | thanks for you help last week on the boot loader |
| 08:38.20 | enouf | with tools/utils |
| 08:38.51 | Anon9335 | Have another question on gdm, can you help me with the buttons on the menu |
| 08:38.52 | jelly-home | xand: oh, right. I've caught an oops or two out of that. 2.6.26 seems to be better |
| 08:39.07 | jelly-home | Anon9335: do I know you? |
| 08:39.19 | Anon9335 | Yeah, |
| 08:39.27 | enouf | !marry jelly-home and Anon9335 |
| 08:39.27 | dpkg | jelly-home, do you take Anon9335 to be your lawfully wedded spouse? Anon9335, do you take jelly-home? Cool. Kiss or something. |
| 08:39.32 | Anon9335 | you got me out of a real jam last week |
| 08:39.34 | rmrfchik | sad with hda_intel on ALC883 |
| 08:39.38 | rmrfchik | it works perfect on 2.6.24. now there is no sound under 24, 25, 26 |
| 08:39.46 | rmrfchik | modprobe snd-hda-intel model=6stack-dig, gives high frequency sound in headphones |
| 08:39.52 | rmrfchik | moreover, card initialization delayed on ~20 sec after module insertion. |
| 08:40.10 | enouf | try /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 08:40.19 | enouf | or use a working kernel :-P |
| 08:40.26 | Anon9335 | Jelly can you tell me how to remove the "Action; Session, Language" buttons in the gdm |
| 08:40.46 | rmrfchik | enouf: as i said, there is no sound even in 2.6.24 |
| 08:40.50 | rmrfchik | no more :( |
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| 08:41.03 | jelly-home | Anon9335: nope, sorry |
| 08:41.06 | enouf | you upgraded more than the kernel |
| 08:41.17 | Anon9335 | bummer |
| 08:42.02 | extor | If I want to add selinux=1 to my kernel options do I need to create an UNCOMMENTED(by the pount sign) line that starts with kopt= ? |
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| 08:42.05 | ArthurArchnix | i've noticed this behaviour that I dislike in icedove, and I'm wondering if its because my own inbox is corrupted or if this is just what it does. Would someone be willing to open up their inbox file, (it's in /home/username/mozilla-thunderbird/path-to-inbox/inbox mine happens to be under local folders) and see if there is a bunch of emails you thought you deleted, but obviously, they're still there. Or if you don't need to |
| 08:42.05 | joneal | hi |
| 08:42.14 | debCarlos | Is there any command to indicate to xorg which driver he have to use? (Without editing xorg.conf) |
| 08:42.56 | mordy | gah, this is weird. testdisk /dev/hda doesn't seem to pick up that partition. it lists four partitions and not five |
| 08:42.58 | mordy | :-< |
| 08:45.19 | debCarlos | What's the name that xorg uses for nvidia driver? |
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| 08:45.57 | rto | debCarlos: nv i believe |
| 08:46.15 | debCarlos | rto: oh! yeah... thanks for help |
| 08:46.36 | rto | debCarlos: np, i have also had moderate success with the vesa one. |
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| 08:46.40 | enouf | mordy: might want to try gpart http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/ now, note, all these suggestions are entirely up to your discretion, i know it's helped others, but beware, caveat emptor |
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| 08:47.32 | enouf | mordy: you sure you pass a /dev/hda. not hda1 or similar? fdisk lists them fine though |
| 08:47.54 | debCarlos | rto: nv is the free driver :). nvidia is non-free... just checked it on a page :D |
| 08:48.00 | enouf | mordy: uh oh |
| 08:48.11 | mordy | :-s |
| 08:48.20 | enouf | mordy: i see a missing 1 sector, between hda5 end and hda6 beginning |
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| 08:48.36 | enouf | mordy: lines 34 and 35 |
| 08:48.51 | enouf | mordy: 5660 and 5662 |
| 08:48.51 | rto | debCarlos: Absolutely, it is just that if the nv one does not work you can use the vesa driver instead (on some cards), i had to do it for an nvidia card once. |
| 08:48.55 | enouf | O_o |
| 08:49.15 | mordy | yeah, i see - but my problem isn't there - those are my linux partitions and work perfectly |
| 08:49.48 | extor | Is selinux now enabled by default in the debian etch kernels? |
| 08:49.58 | mordy | but this is weird... i don't know how these things work, but the sectors show the size of the parition? or the used space? |
| 08:49.59 | enouf | mordy: do you understand how Ext'd partitions work? |
| 08:50.02 | debCarlos | rto: yeah, when i asked i was asking for propietary, i have someone of ubuntu with serious problems with xserver and nvidia :S |
| 08:50.02 | extor | I mean not enabled but just present to be enabled if needed? |
| 08:50.56 | mordy | hmm... not really - i guess they work as a master partition for several smaller partitions, but i may be wrong |
| 08:50.59 | rto | debCarlos: Make them switch to an intel GPU - it has made my life _so_ much easier ;-) (not to rub it in or anythin) |
| 08:51.17 | enouf | mordy: they chainload/link the extended MBR.. you haven't noticed your swap isn't used? or anything like that? |
| 08:51.33 | enouf | mordy: see if sfdisk -l lists any errors |
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| 08:51.38 | mordy | swap is barely used anyway on any of my system |
| 08:51.50 | debCarlos | rto: Yeah, they make mine too, but he's on a laptop :S |
| 08:52.39 | mordy | enouf - no erros |
| 08:52.42 | enouf | that's not even close to answering me |
| 08:52.55 | enouf | anyways, let the tools fix it, if it needs to i guess |
| 08:53.32 | segfault- | 'morning weirdos |
| 08:53.55 | enouf | mordy: one last thing ; file -s /dev/hda7 |
| 08:54.45 | mordy | "x86 boot sector" |
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| 08:55.05 | rto | debCarlos: Oh, they make laptop chipsets as well, i have a X60 with a 900-simething GPU on it, 3D performace is non existant, but it works out of the box and without any compile hoop-jumping |
| 08:55.20 | enouf | mordy: er .. ouch .. ;-) |
| 08:55.22 | enouf | $ file -s /dev/hda4 |
| 08:55.23 | enouf | /dev/hda4: x86 boot sector, code offset 0x48, OEM-ID "MSWIN4.1", sectors/cluster 16, reserved sectors 61, Media |
| 08:55.26 | debCarlos | rto: Yeah :D |
| 08:55.38 | enouf | and much more ;-) |
| 08:55.46 | mordy | i'm supposed to get more, i guess |
| 08:55.59 | mordy | hmm.. let me try booting into windows and see if it works there |
| 08:56.02 | mordy | brb |
| 08:56.05 | enouf | mordy: that info might vwery |
| 08:56.18 | enouf | mordy: that info might very well be in the prior sector |
| 08:56.38 | mordy | hmm... |
| 08:56.51 | enouf | it's possible, if so, just review your layout with a hex viewer - i;d used parted and xxd and less |
| 08:57.05 | segfault- | i'm glad i'm not the only one to have hdd problems early in the morning :p |
| 08:57.15 | mordy | hehe |
| 08:57.18 | jelly-home | rto: what do you mean inexistant, it can run... um... glxgears! |
| 08:57.19 | mordy | it's noon here |
| 08:57.46 | rto | jelly-home: Yeah, i've never quite figured out how to play that game, seems kinda boring ;-) |
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| 08:58.09 | jelly-home | rto: it can also run 3D demos from 2004. ;-) |
| 08:58.09 | enouf | mordy: that 'gpart' though can scan and show you, and ask if you want to fix it - but again, caveat emptor - make backups! O_o |
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| 08:58.30 | jelly-home | rto: but not in Linux. Windows driver is much faster. |
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| 08:59.02 | mordy_ | ok, let's see if this bastard works on windoze |
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| 08:59.58 | segfault- | bleh |
| 09:00.08 | segfault- | using dd to duplicate partition table is nice |
| 09:00.16 | segfault- | but 40 gb ... Aoutch |
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| 09:02.00 | extor | maybe tar is better if the partitions have different cylinders, heads and sectors |
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| 09:03.07 | jelly-home | sfdisk |
| 09:03.28 | jelly-home | (to copy just the table, not the contents) |
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| 09:04.10 | mordy_ | well, windoze gives me an error as well - incorrect structure :| |
| 09:04.11 | Internat | ps aux |
| 09:04.12 | Internat | err |
| 09:04.14 | Internat | my bad |
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| 09:06.34 | debCarlos | jelly-home: isn't better cfdisk for partition works ? |
| 09:06.56 | segfault- | extor, nah, there exactly same disks |
| 09:07.03 | segfault- | (cobalt) |
| 09:07.30 | jelly-home | debCarlos: the context was copying the partition table, and sfdisk does it with a oneliner |
| 09:07.52 | B_Raven | Sitting here considering a new computer, but really torn on the nvidia/ati issue. Know that ATI driver support has been kind of bad in the past, but how are they doing these days? |
| 09:07.55 | jelly-home | sfdisk -d /dev/origdisk | sfdisk /dev/newdisk |
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| 09:08.25 | debCarlos | jelly-home: ok, didn't see... :D it's just that man says it's kinda better :) |
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| 09:08.59 | mordy_ | enouf - btw that missing sector is not missing, i't sjust part of some unallocated space |
| 09:09.23 | SlayerXP | B_Raven: i never forgave ATI for the inexcusably long delay in getting 64 bit drivers out the door |
| 09:09.34 | SlayerXP | it was just over 14 months |
| 09:10.14 | segfault- | jelly-home, don't have sfdisk :/ |
| 09:10.14 | B_Raven | Well, I never did like ATI, but then they got bought by AMD, the only CPU manufacturer I really like. Go figgure. |
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| 09:10.25 | segfault- | (it's a bare nfs boot env) |
| 09:10.39 | rto | jelly-home: Ok, i have never used it on windows, i thought that with Intel doing it "officially" it would have performance pretty much on par with the windows version. |
| 09:11.20 | segfault- | jelly-home, actually goliath:~# dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdc |
| 09:11.26 | segfault- | is the command i ran |
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| 09:11.40 | B_Raven | Figgure they will beat nvidia in linux support eventually, but not sure if now is the time to switch. |
| 09:11.45 | mordy_ | ok, i guess the problem is that the partition's root directory doesn't exist |
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| 09:13.08 | enouf | mordy_: that's possible, however, remember what i mentioned - the rest of the partitions boot sectors, and the MPT needs to know that |
| 09:13.20 | rto | B_Raven: I also think it is a very open question how ATI will fare with Intel chips now that AMD has bought ATI. |
| 09:13.25 | enouf | mordy_: if it was always like that, no harm, but i doubt it |
| 09:13.39 | segfault- | maybe dd is too much brutal |
| 09:13.45 | segfault- | it take a long time to replicate.. |
| 09:14.16 | B_Raven | rto: It is a valid concern, though not too worried about it myself, haven't used intel chips (or chipsets) in almost a decade. |
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| 09:15.16 | rto | B_Raven: Wow, that is pretty impressive (or something) how do their portable chips compare to intels? |
| 09:15.25 | mordy_ | yeah, was always like that. there's a small little amount of unallocated space between 5 and 6 (i think those are the numbers) |
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| 09:16.21 | B_Raven | rto: Now that I don't know. IMO AMD seems to be slightly ahead of intel in development, though their chips tend to be more moderately specced to keep prices lower. |
| 09:17.05 | B_Raven | rto: Not to mention that I've yet to see an AMD chip fry, seen plenty of newer intel chips release the magic smoke. |
| 09:18.54 | mordy_ | would gpart help me with my 'root directory' whatever that is? |
| 09:18.57 | rto | B_Raven: My X60's dual core thingy certainly doesn't like the hot weather we have been having in Denmark lately, it has crashed with a "help 128 degrees celcius" several times the past month |
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| 09:20.37 | mordy_ | ouch |
| 09:20.41 | B_Raven | rto: Anything will crash at those temps. You have to give it credit for crashing and not burning. AMD does seem to require slightly more powerful cooling solutions, but in a system that needs loads of fans anyways you'll hardly notice the difference. |
| 09:20.58 | xand | jelly-home: another lockup, think I'll compile a new kernel |
| 09:22.47 | mordy_ | hehe 128 C - that's a lot. my intel 630 fails to start if it goes beyond 90~ |
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| 09:23.05 | mordy_ | but x60 is a notebook - no? |
| 09:23.26 | rto | mordy_: Yeah, one of those small sub-notebook thingies |
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| 09:24.16 | debCarlos | o, bye, 4:53 AM here.... good morning/night to all :D |
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| 09:24.44 | enouf | mordy_: do me a flavor; pastebin output of ~$ xxd -s -0x200 /dev/hda7 |
| 09:24.44 | mordy_ | hehe, i've always wondered if these dual-core machines are actually faster than the older regular pentium ones. i've seen a few dual-cores etc. with each one being something like 1.2 - it's still not faster than my good old p4 |
| 09:24.59 | enouf | mordy_: there is no root dir with fat32 :-P |
| 09:25.10 | mordy_ | enouf - that's what i was thinking |
| 09:25.18 | rto | mordy_: I think it is pretty fast, at least when compiling then you can utilize both cpus. |
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| 09:25.42 | rto | But i probably should consider cracking it open to see if it needs a good vacuuming. |
| 09:25.53 | mordy_ | but both fsck and chkdsk on windoze give me soemthing similar (fsck tells me it can't find it, chkdsk tells me that it's full |
| 09:26.01 | enouf | mordy_: also do the same for /dev/hda6 |
| 09:26.11 | pappanz | hi. i am back with the same problem. my ntfs external usb device won't mount because it says i have no permission to do it. my ntfs line is: "UUID=... /media/disk ntfs-3g user,noauto,umask=000 0 0". however i thought the device should be mounted independently from ntfs config file. |
| 09:26.43 | mordy_ | enouf - are you sure you want all of that? |
| 09:26.49 | enouf | mordy_: and chkdsk usually want /r or /f to repair/fix .. but hey, i don't do windows |
| 09:26.55 | enouf | all of what? |
| 09:27.04 | enouf | it's about 20 lines each |
| 09:27.06 | mordy_ | the output of xxd -s |
| 09:27.30 | mordy_ | doh. i didn't do the final "-" |
| 09:27.46 | mordy_ | ahh.. weird |
| 09:28.25 | mordy_ | fist line says ntfs |
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| 09:28.56 | mordy_ | enouf - here: http://rafb.net/p/REqlSu39.html |
| 09:29.08 | enouf | pappanz: i think you want to add (edit to include) uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022 or similar |
| 09:29.18 | enouf | !ntfs-3g |
| 09:29.18 | dpkg | i heard ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 09:29.35 | mordy_ | but it's not ntfs. it's converted to fat32 |
| 09:29.47 | enouf | the factoid is for pappanz |
| 09:29.50 | mordy_ | oh |
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| 09:31.40 | pappanz | do i need to reboot every time i edit /etc/fstab to make changes operative? |
| 09:31.45 | enouf | mordy_: haha - ok, now do; xxd -l 0x200 /dev/hda7 |
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| 09:31.59 | enouf | mordy_: put a space in between diff commands |
| 09:32.10 | enouf | a blank line mordy_ |
| 09:32.53 | enouf | mordy_: and same for hda6 |
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| 09:36.21 | enouf | mordy_: 1st off, my apologies, i've been using "Sector" in many places where i should've been saying "Cylinder" (so the Cylinders in question are 5660, 5662, 5904, 5905) anyways, that 1st paste shows that in the Cylinder residing just one back from the hda7 start, is your NTFS Boot sector O_o |
| 09:36.31 | pappanz | i believe my problem doesn't depend on /etc/fstab. now the message at mount is: impossible to open directory 'disk'. permission denied. |
| 09:36.41 | enouf | mordy_: which means it's in your Linux swap O_o |
| 09:37.23 | enouf | mordy_: show me also ~$ xxd -s -0x400 /dev/hda6 |
| 09:37.27 | mordy_ | ok... |
| 09:38.46 | mordy_ | hmm.. so you're saying, if i understand you correctly, that the first sector of hda7 is in my swap? |
| 09:39.11 | mordy_ | here's the output http://rafb.net/p/Nf93wv26.html |
| 09:39.13 | enouf | mordy_: i really think though that only a tool like gpart would help you from really screwing the needed changes up = heck, even i am making errors atm, not to mention, i always walk through the steps many times (in my head and otherwise), BEFORE ever making any changes - but to explain to you exactly how and what to do? ugh ... |
| 09:39.21 | enouf | mordy_: kind of yes |
| 09:40.02 | mordy_ | but then hda6 would have something in it, no? |
| 09:40.10 | pappanz | i wonder if there's some package missing. i have lenny, which was installed with desktop=xfce option. i installed pmount, thunar-volman, gamin, and something else |
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| 09:43.02 | mordy_ | but what is this 'root directory' that fsck and chkdsk are looking for? the filesystem structure essentialyl? |
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| 09:44.18 | enouf | mordy_: ok, well, now, that all looks decent - that's why it kind of half works :-P .. Listen your hda7 1st sector seems fine and like a valid Fat32 boot sector, however .. i can't be sure - the cylinder just prior to that contains what appears to be a valid NTFS boot sector (which is at the end of your swap partition - but that can easily be wiped and recreated, but it shouldn't be necessary, unless somehow, your MBR/MPT is still pointing |
| 09:44.18 | enouf | it) |
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| 09:46.01 | mordy_ | brb.. i'll need some coffee for this ;p |
| 09:46.06 | enouf | mhymn: the missing cylinder in between hda5 and hda6 doesn't appear to be an issue - however, just think, what if everything was shifted just one cylinder over .. see my point? Some (partitioning or Formatting) tool you used must;ve messed it up at some point |
| 09:46.11 | enouf | mordy_: ^^^^^^^ |
| 09:46.16 | enouf | i meant you not mhymn |
| 09:46.22 | mhymn | OK ;) |
| 09:46.28 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 09:46.39 | pappanz | no ideas for my problem? :( |
| 09:46.44 | enouf | mordy_: i gotta go for a bit ,..bbl |
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| 09:47.34 | bolt_ | When I do netstat -plv, hoping to show the pids of listening programs, most of them are listed with - for the pid. Why? |
| 09:48.34 | enouf | pappanz: i'm not the best person to ask about ntfs issues ;-) stick around, hopefully someone will chime in - ask again after 15 minutes - try ##linux as well - i hope you are using Debian though when asking in here ;-) |
| 09:48.45 | enouf | ok ..bbiab |
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| 09:49.21 | mordy_ | ok |
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| 09:50.14 | pappanz | enouf: yep. thanks. |
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| 09:51.24 | _eggy_ | Hello, I tried to install a deb from sid (running lenny), which failed, but now I can't seem to remove it. The problem looks trivial, but I'm not sure how to solve it. http://rafb.net/p/kL6aZk40.html shows my problem (apt-get remove and dpkg --purge don't seem to do the trick, and neither does trying to install kdebase-bin-kde3) |
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| 09:53.07 | B_Raven | Darn... I'm too outdated for my own good, not quite sure how badass of a PSU I'm going to need. :\ |
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| 09:54.13 | sladi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.13 | sladi | ? |
| 09:55.21 | jayeola | hey chaps. kbd-config and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg does not change my kb to "english uk" << lenny-beta. what gives? |
| 09:56.09 | _eggy_ | sladi: because then will remove dependencies I do not want to remove, like my kde3 installation |
| 09:56.48 | Laser | does hp hardware suck? |
| 09:56.54 | sladi | _eggy_: I'd reinstall that afterwards |
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| 09:57.13 | _eggy_ | sladi: hmm ok let me try |
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| 09:58.11 | themill | _eggy_: you might want to try some aptitude magic: aptitude install packageyouwanttoremove_ packageyouwantfromtesting=version |
| 09:58.11 | bolt_ | Laser: I thought HP just branded stuff... or do they have actual factories? |
| 09:58.28 | lil_cain | I would be pretty certain they do... |
| 09:58.37 | sladi | _eggy_: aptitude's resolver is not 100% perfect. Your home directory files won't be touched. :) |
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| 10:00.10 | _ZeuZ_ | Laser, HP does not manufacture Hardware, they just set pieces toghether an brand them. |
| 10:00.13 | jayeola | there's a factory in singapore |
| 10:00.35 | _eggy_ | sladi: themill thanks, it seemed to have worked :-) |
| 10:01.42 | themill | _eggy_: excellent. aptitude has some funky things like that where you can remove a package and install a package in the same command. There are a few modifiers you can use for recovering from situations like you were in: _ - + = |
| 10:01.47 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: hi. you only listen to me. :) I'm reverted back to 2.6.24. no sound. I gave up. |
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| 10:03.00 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, :( |
| 10:03.09 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, sorry that your hardware is on the regression |
| 10:03.39 | rmrfchik | i'm not sure it is on regression. I _had_ the sound in 2.6.24, and have no now in 2.6.24 |
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| 10:03.50 | jayeola | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:04.04 | rmrfchik | do u know how acpi/apic can be related to sound? |
| 10:04.13 | mhymn | rmrfchik: i dont know that was you problem, but in the worse case you could compile the alsa driver yourself |
| 10:04.18 | bolt_ | jayeola: I assume you restarted X? |
| 10:04.32 | kommodore | I have a question about rlwrap+dash. If I use nano inside rlwrap -c dash, I can't save anything |
| 10:04.32 | rmrfchik | I did. I've downloaded alsa 1.0.17 |
| 10:04.34 | rmrfchik | no help |
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| 10:05.02 | rmrfchik | btw, may be it wil help: card initialization lasts about 30 seconds after module insertion |
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| 10:05.17 | rmrfchik | in this time no mixer/sound devices can be found |
| 10:05.26 | themill | jayeola: you can change the keymap once you have logged in using the gnome or kde or whatever control centre. Is that sufficient? If you want to do it for the login screen too, then you may need to edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand |
| 10:05.40 | rmrfchik | and then "click", high frequence sound in headphones and mpg123/aumixer starts to working |
| 10:05.53 | rmrfchik | (but no music of course) |
| 10:06.10 | jayeola | hrm, forgot to restart X. sheesh... see you on the other side ;-) |
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| 10:06.37 | bolt_ | tsk, tsk |
| 10:06.49 | themill | dpkg: tell rmrfchik about alsa checklist |
| 10:07.01 | _ZeuZ_ | rmrfchik, it must be related to alsa, have you ran alsaconf ? |
| 10:07.10 | rmrfchik | _ZeuZ_: yes |
| 10:07.33 | rmrfchik | it removes modules, detects my card, loads the modules |
| 10:07.53 | rmrfchik | it run amixer (which is failed because long initialization) |
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| 10:08.04 | bolt_ | When I do netstat -plv, hoping to show the pids of listening programs, most of them are listed with - for the pid. Why? |
| 10:10.37 | themill | bolt_: run it again as root |
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| 10:12.21 | bolt_ | themill: ah. no chance without root? |
| 10:12.41 | bolt_ | themill: getting the it people to do this will take ages. gah. |
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| 10:13.10 | sladi | _eggy_: NP :) |
| 10:13.12 | bolt_ | themill: tested on my local box though. root makes all the difference. unfortunately i don't have root to the one i need root on |
| 10:13.39 | zxxd | what is linux-latest-2.6-6etch3 , and why dosen't it show in apt-cache |
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| 10:13.52 | themill | bolt_: knowing who is doing what with which ports is privileged information. no chance. |
| 10:14.15 | massmc | morning all |
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| 10:15.19 | rmrfchik | going to reboot to play with bios. again |
| 10:15.40 | zxxd | does the xen kernel patch come with xen package source or the debianized linux source |
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| 10:18.43 | bolt_ | themill: it shouldn't be privileged when someone is eating up all the port numbers :) |
| 10:19.06 | bolt_ | themill: need to know who to yell at |
| 10:19.14 | themill | the sysadmin |
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| 10:20.15 | bolt_ | themill: is there a way you could limit how many ports a given user is allowed to start programs which listen to? ..if that made any sense at all |
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| 10:22.09 | themill | bolt_: not that I know of, without going to virtual machines. The new work on "container" in the kernel may eventually lead to that but not yet. |
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| 10:24.05 | bolt_ | themill: cool |
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| 10:27.22 | rmrfchik | no luck. |
| 10:27.44 | kernel_ghost | bolt_ it sounds like you want some sort of user or client based QOS |
| 10:28.10 | bolt_ | kernel_ghost: yep |
| 10:28.12 | rmrfchik | switch "Fron panel codec AC97" |
| 10:28.12 | bolt_ | brb |
| 10:28.17 | rmrfchik | didn't help |
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| 10:29.26 | larstr | in what package can I find mysqladmin in etch? |
| 10:30.05 | themill | dpkg: tell larstr about search |
| 10:30.10 | themill | larstr: apt-file is your friend |
| 10:30.42 | themill | larstr: aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search bin/mysqladmin |
| 10:30.49 | larstr | themill: thx |
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| 10:31.21 | kernel_ghost | mysql-admin |
| 10:31.39 | kernel_ghost | apt-get install mysql-admin |
| 10:31.45 | themill | kernel_ghost: err, no |
| 10:31.49 | larstr | well.. that's an X app |
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| 10:32.07 | larstr | kernel_ghost: so that will not do what I need here... |
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| 10:32.26 | kernel_ghost | ok |
| 10:32.41 | kernel_ghost | learn how to use mysql properly? |
| 10:33.31 | larstr | themill: found the package now: mysql-client-5.0 |
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| 10:33.36 | larstr | themill: thx alot! :) |
| 10:33.55 | themill | larstr: yep, that's the one. No worries. apt-file is a great tool for that sort of thing. |
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| 10:35.56 | et | i get the feeling that lenny recieves a lot more updates since its freeze ;) |
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| 10:46.19 | Chris| | when making a livecd using debootstrap, where do you put the files you want to be in the users home dir when they install? if that makes sense |
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| 10:47.39 | tarzeau | Chris|: using live-helper ? i put them into /etc/skel |
| 10:47.43 | bolt_ | Chris|: I think you're talking about /etc/skel |
| 10:47.46 | bolt_ | tarzeau: damn you |
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| 10:48.19 | tarzeau | bolt_: what's the url of your live cd? |
| 10:48.22 | Chris| | bolt_, yes i think thats right, do i make a folder in skel for a user? such as /etc/skel/linux/ |
| 10:48.40 | tarzeau | Chris|: no, whatever you put into skel just gets into the users ~ |
| 10:48.41 | bolt_ | Chris|: no, /etc/skel is default for all users |
| 10:48.53 | bolt_ | ... |
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| 10:49.06 | Chris| | bolt_, thank you for clearing that up with me, also thanks tarzeau |
| 10:49.13 | bolt_ | \o/ |
| 10:49.28 | Chris| | that has been troubling me for a while now :/ |
| 10:50.21 | Chris| | tarzeau, i dont know what live-helper is, but the process so far is using debootstrap and chroot'ing into it |
| 10:51.03 | tarzeau | Chris|: i see, check packages.debian.org/live-helper |
| 10:51.11 | Chris| | i will thanks :) |
| 10:51.12 | tarzeau | Chris|: i use it for http://livecd.gnustep.org/ |
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| 10:54.40 | segfault- | i was wondering |
| 10:54.45 | segfault- | is there any page somewhere |
| 10:54.51 | segfault- | relating to debian jobs ? |
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| 10:55.04 | segfault- | i mean, i've got full admin knowledge, build packages and such .. |
| 10:55.20 | segfault- | so if i have to seek for a job, why not a debian related one ? |
| 10:55.24 | bolt_ | full admin knowledge... |
| 10:55.27 | segfault- | yeah |
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| 10:55.42 | segfault- | both univ & standardised sysadmin / network |
| 10:55.58 | segfault- | (i don't mean working on debian project) |
| 10:55.59 | et | full metal jacket |
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| 10:56.21 | segfault- | (i mean, a job where you've got to work with debian workstation or servers) |
| 10:56.29 | segfault- | for example, joomla has joomlancers |
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| 10:56.50 | tarzeau | segfault-: which country? |
| 10:57.16 | segfault- | france |
| 10:57.27 | segfault- | but i don't mind moving :) |
| 10:57.49 | segfault- | (not now, since i have my own company... ... but things move ..) |
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| 10:58.25 | tarzeau | segfault-: some university there maybe? |
| 10:58.31 | segfault- | nah |
| 10:58.36 | segfault- | worked at univs before |
| 10:58.44 | segfault- | the salary suck.. |
| 10:59.09 | tarzeau | keep your own company and do consulting, sell linux solutions? |
| 10:59.19 | segfault- | will if i can |
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| 10:59.32 | segfault- | the fact is, i'm prolly going to seek for a job sooner or so |
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| 10:59.56 | segfault- | (economy is doomed and my company is not yet economically viable..) |
| 10:59.56 | Nathariel | <segfault-> Try the hosting companies |
| 11:00.09 | buntfalke | Why does this http://phpfi.com/340203 vimrc fail stop issueing the command <F1> at the very end right after ':set paste'? |
| 11:00.10 | Nathariel | There are many using 'debian servers' now |
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| 11:00.26 | buntfalke | file* |
| 11:00.51 | tarzeau | segfault-: do you write software? |
| 11:01.35 | segfault- | tarzeau, yep |
| 11:02.00 | segfault- | tarzeau, actuallty our company has written an intranet application made in php (oop) & mysql |
| 11:03.24 | segfault- | for myself, i write some code in c++ |
| 11:03.53 | segfault- | (mainly, a mysql robot, receiving infos & running as crontab) |
| 11:03.59 | segfault- | (writting a game) |
| 11:04.04 | tarzeau | segfault-: do you know http://www.debian.org/consultants/ ? |
| 11:04.21 | segfault- | tarzeau, nope, exactly what i was seeking for :) |
| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'update-resolv-conf' returned no results. |
| 11:05.39 | segfault- | tarzeau, how do you get listed there ? |
| 11:05.40 | rmrfchik | dpkg alsa checklist |
| 11:05.40 | dpkg | 1) run alsaconf as root 2) add yourself to the 'audio' group (log out and log in again) 3) use alsamixer and unmute channels and raise levels (also try muting some channels) 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) modprobe snd-pcm-oss 8) does "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" work for root? Test your sound with aplay and a wav so codec issues don't confuse the situation. <list alsa users> |
| 11:05.56 | tarzeau | segfault-: read the page |
| 11:06.22 | segfault- | k |
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| 11:08.28 | bolt__ | !test |
| 11:08.28 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 11:09.04 | up365 | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2008/08/ |
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| 11:11.12 | segfault- | tarzeau, thanks for the info, will see what to be done. |
| 11:12.36 | segfault- | in fact it would be a logical step |
| 11:12.50 | segfault- | we already have the debian logo on our business cards |
| 11:13.01 | segfault- | (and a link to gnu.org :P) |
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| 11:15.02 | rdz | hi all. is it posssible to join two partitions on different drives to one single partition? |
| 11:15.26 | petemc | rdz: you could use lvm to do that |
| 11:15.51 | bolt__ | rdz: yes. set up an lvm partition. get your data out first though. |
| 11:16.28 | rdz | bolt, petemc i'll check that out.. thanks |
| 11:16.38 | rdz | aha... i can't get rid of the data... |
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| 11:16.45 | rdz | i'll stick with two partitions, then |
| 11:16.53 | enouf | heh |
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| 11:17.06 | enouf | why do you want to 'join' them? |
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| 11:18.16 | bolt__ | simplify storage space management, i'd guess |
| 11:19.21 | rdz | enouf, i have 5 users and two partitions and i don't know how much space eacch of them is going to use, |
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| 11:19.58 | enouf | oh, can you use disk quotas then? hrm |
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| 11:20.22 | enouf | oh, well, that's a per partition option, isn't it |
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| 11:24.34 | Chris| | bolt__, another question, when running the livecd (if i get that far) will the files in /etc/skel/ automatically be used? example starting the livecd running a app and having the config file from /etc/skel/ ? |
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| 11:26.35 | milligan | I have SPF enabled on a domain. If a SPF rule hits and is valid, should it mark the header about the email originating from a valid destination, or will it just go through without any more "fuss" ? |
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| 11:27.22 | bolt__ | Chris|: depends on how the livecd works, i guess. /etc/skel is used when a new user is made |
| 11:28.17 | Chris| | hrmm that might be a problem for what i want then :/ |
| 11:29.15 | Chris| | would i make a /home/$user and drope what i want into there? and add a livecd user? hrm.. so confusing |
| 11:29.27 | Chris| | sorry to bug you |
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| 11:39.06 | milligan | /var/cache/apt/archives <- Can I clear out this directory ? |
| 11:39.20 | petemc | yes |
| 11:40.02 | abrotman | milligan: aptitude clean will do it for you |
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| 11:43.57 | milligan | perfect. Cheers. |
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| 11:47.48 | enouf | tickles abrotman with a few opec cartel weenies O_o |
| 11:47.56 | abrotman | she was! |
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| 11:48.08 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.21 | enouf | talking heads, right? |
| 11:48.27 | prem | hi .. how to execute a jar file in debian |
| 11:48.36 | abrotman | using java |
| 11:48.56 | avu | prem, java -jar foo.jar in most cases |
| 11:48.56 | wols | java -jar <file> |
| 11:49.11 | wols | !tell prem about install java |
| 11:49.18 | wols | prem: I suggest to use Sun Java |
| 11:49.23 | prem | avu, wols I tried that command only |
| 11:49.37 | prem | but its throwing "Failed to load Main-Class manifest attribute from GISlite-V1.0.jar" |
| 11:49.39 | wols | !tell prem about errors |
| 11:49.53 | wols | then maybe that thing isn't executable |
| 11:49.55 | prem | any idea why its happening like this..? |
| 11:50.08 | abrotman | or it needs another jar file |
| 11:50.43 | prem | ooh...then how can I make use of this jar file..!?only as a library..? |
| 11:50.48 | buntfalke | which package contains a vim with +xterm_clipboard? |
| 11:51.39 | avu | prem, jar fiels may contain both libraries or executable programs. either this .jar only contains a library, or its manifest fiel is broken |
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| 11:52.52 | prem | avu, broken..?! how to fix it..is there a way to update the manifest file.. |
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| 11:53.22 | masus | hi all does anyone know when it's time for lenny ? |
| 11:53.40 | petemc | current predictions are a september release |
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| 11:54.20 | masus | ok thank u |
| 11:54.23 | avu | prem, sure, if you know the main class, just unpack the jar file and add the attribute to the file (MANIFEST.MF IIRC). but don't you think the authors would have done that if they had intended the .jar to be used like that? |
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| 11:56.20 | prem | avu, yeah..you are right..I took the jar files from http://www.dsg.cs.tcd.ie/hermes ..breaking the head to make it run in debian |
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| 11:59.10 | buntfalke | Are there vim packages besides -gtk -lesstiff and -gnome which feature +xterm_clipboard so that one can copy and paste in X? |
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| 12:02.20 | CoolCold | who knows, why debian doesn't install ssh/openssh server by default? |
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| 12:05.26 | abrotman | CoolCold: it does not |
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| 12:11.16 | arafangion | abrotman, You mean that "it doesn't indeed", right? |
| 12:11.31 | arafangion | abrotman, Because what you said _could_ be interpreted as a double-negative. |
| 12:11.31 | abrotman | oh .. whoops |
| 12:11.36 | abrotman | i should have explained it |
| 12:11.45 | abrotman | CoolCold: why not? because not everyone needs those things |
| 12:11.51 | arafangion | abrotman, Don't worry, you'll get there eventually. ;) |
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| 12:12.04 | abrotman | it's still early here! |
| 12:12.05 | arafangion | is wearing his pedant hat. |
| 12:12.12 | arafangion | abrotman, 22:12 here. |
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| 12:16.52 | fireba11 | arafangion : "early" is a relative statement, as long as he doesn't mention any standpoint that could always be wrong or true and you got no way to tell :-) |
| 12:18.08 | CoolCold | abrotman: i've forgot to install it manually and have to go to DC once again :( |
| 12:18.24 | abrotman | CoolCold: no one there can do it? |
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| 12:18.45 | CoolCold | althought i've setted "standart" in installation menu |
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| 12:19.15 | talexb | Puzzling .. just downloaded Lenny CD #1 and it's having problems mounting the CD. |
| 12:19.26 | talexb | After booting up *from* the CD. |
| 12:19.43 | abrotman | CoolCold: i don't that installs it |
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| 12:20.08 | arafangion | fireba11, Even that statement depends on a particular standpoint. My standpoint is the only one that I reckon that is true. |
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| 12:20.18 | talexb | I told it to try again, and nothing's happened for the last few minutes. Odd. |
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| 12:20.32 | gouki | Anyone ever used Lurker (for mail archives)? |
| 12:20.56 | petemc | exim-users does, seems to work ok |
| 12:21.43 | gouki | petemc: Was that answer for me? :) |
| 12:21.50 | petemc | yes |
| 12:22.18 | gouki | petemc: I'm having problem setting it up. It keeps reporting a 404, even though I loaded mod_rewrite. |
| 12:22.26 | Greyscale | I made some modifications to the fuppes project. How can I create a patch file against it? |
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| 12:23.12 | talexb | Hmm .. I'll come again later. Cheers, all. |
| 12:23.33 | gouki | petemc: Do you know any webmaster that could probably give me a hand ... ? |
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| 12:24.44 | petemc | gouki: no |
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| 12:26.10 | sime | Can anyone recall how to select multiple files in midnight commander ? |
| 12:26.51 | wols | sime: insert key |
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| 12:27.26 | RasmusKiller | Hi. I need to send by FTP a file and I would like to send it directly by the "terminal". In Ubuntu, just writting "ftp server" it connected me to the server, but here (in Debian) it says to me: "bash: ftp: command not found". Does anybody know what program I need to install for that? |
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| 12:27.49 | abrotman | RasmusKiller: install the ftp client |
| 12:28.03 | [nine] | RasmusKiller: err, apt-get install ftp :) |
| 12:28.12 | RasmusKiller | ok, ty |
| 12:28.13 | sime | wols: argh, its being bugging me for the last 40mins, cheers! |
| 12:28.29 | alys | I have a 'dual-boot' computer running Etch and Puppy. Sound works perfectly on Puppy with a DVD but I cannot get a peep out of Etch when playing the same DVD. Has anyone some suggestion, please? |
| 12:28.54 | alys | BTW I am using vlc to play DVDs - is that significant? |
| 12:29.03 | pappanz | hello. i wasn't able to solve the ntfs problem. my fstab line is: "UUID=... /media/disk ntfs-3g user,noauto,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=022 0 0". it says i don't have the permission to mount the device. |
| 12:29.19 | pappanz | it is an external usb device (500G) |
| 12:30.17 | wols | pappanz: the "user" should take care of that |
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| 12:30.57 | pappanz | wols: it doesn't work! |
| 12:31.08 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 12:31.09 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 12:32.34 | pappanz | wols: "you don't have the permission to mount the device" |
| 12:32.42 | pappanz | as i already stated |
| 12:33.05 | wols | pappanz: can you pastebin the fstab as it is? |
| 12:33.13 | wols | kinda hard to see tabs and such in here |
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| 12:35.26 | themill | dpkg: tell alys about dvd playback |
| 12:35.58 | DiegoMax | i have a conceptual question, what tool would you use to check the status of process X on server A from a different server ? whats the best approach ? |
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| 12:36.21 | pappanz | wols: http://paste.debian.net/13941/ |
| 12:39.35 | pogay | I just installed lenny. How can I add further packages with "commandline" (busybox 1.9.2). Actually I like to install Grub2 |
| 12:39.54 | arafangion | apt-get install <packagename> |
| 12:39.56 | wols | pappanz: and as root it wokrs? |
| 12:40.05 | pappanz | wols: yep |
| 12:40.15 | wols | pogay: if you have busybox on your screen, something went very wrong |
| 12:40.37 | arafangion | DiegoMax, ssh, quite possibly in combination with tail -f, screen, or top, depending on the situation. |
| 12:40.55 | pogay | now, I'm i the installer, and chose shell, but apt-get and dpkg doesn't seem to be usable. |
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| 12:41.29 | DiegoMax | arafangion, what if i need to check every 1 minute ? isnt that like.. overkill ? |
| 12:41.36 | pogay | I'mean the installatino was o.k., I just went in the Command, to try some further packages |
| 12:41.39 | wols | pogay: of course not. how far along the installation are you? |
| 12:42.02 | wols | pogay: chroot to your hdd debian installation |
| 12:42.05 | arafangion | DiegoMax, ssh+screen+watch |
| 12:42.12 | pogay | o.k I have no bootloader, I can install teh bootloader from another installation. |
| 12:42.21 | arafangion | DiegoMax, Or even ssh+watch |
| 12:42.26 | pappanz | wols: if i comment the /etc/fstab line, the device is correctly mounted but i get another error: "impossible to open directory 'disk'. permission denied." |
| 12:42.27 | DiegoMax | arafangion, ok thanks, i will try |
| 12:42.33 | pogay | wols: o.k. with chroot |
| 12:42.39 | wols | you can yes, if you chroot into your installation and bind mount /proc and /dev inside the chroot first |
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| 12:42.54 | arafangion | DiegoMax, Don't bother reconnecting all the time, just allow a persistent connection - screen's useful when the connection dies because you can resume the session rather easily. |
| 12:43.06 | pogay | wols: o.k. thanks I try |
| 12:43.37 | DiegoMax | yah, its a pretty trivial situation, i need to check if a certain process is running on the target servers, so i think your idea could work |
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| 12:44.28 | jescis | Where can I get msgfmt? I'm trying to make install for gtk-gnutella. |
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| 12:45.18 | DiegoMax | or maybe there are some already done queue management tools that i dont know ? as in, what im doing is a multi node video encoder for an intranet, so if server A is already encoding, i should dispatch the job to server B... maybe there is any tool for that already ? |
| 12:46.26 | defrysk | jescis, apt-cache search msgfmt |
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| 12:49.24 | themill | jescis: "apt-get build-dep gtk-gnutella" would be a handy start. (But why aren't you using the debian package anyway?) |
| 12:50.40 | themill | defrysk: that probably gives bogus answers in this case as the msgfmt binary is in the gettext package but it's not listed in the package description anyway (but there is a ruby package that does list it!) |
| 12:51.05 | arafangion | DiegoMax, Clustering utilities are always rather specialised. |
| 12:51.14 | defrysk | themill, ok |
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| 12:52.09 | DiegoMax | yah, maybe writing a small home-made application to manage the queues will be the less-dirty solution |
| 12:52.25 | pogay | wols: wow works... |
| 12:52.41 | arafangion | DiegoMax, That'd be the ideal, actually, but first do it by hand, manually, so that you know what you need to write. |
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| 12:53.59 | wols | pogay: what if you don't use UUID and simple /dev/sdxx ? |
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| 12:55.31 | XwZ1 | hi |
| 12:57.35 | pappanz | wols: are you talking to me? |
| 12:58.04 | XwZ1 | I have some problems with sudo, I made 2 Cmnd_Alias to acivate and deactivate my wifi, but when I execute this command I can't, ins't allow, I have this sudoers file : http://rafb.net/p/90qWbV24.html and ther errors : http://rafb.net/p/QKmikV98.html |
| 12:58.34 | XwZ1 | wifi is just one perl script with an exec like : exec('sudo echo "enabled: 1" > /proc/acpi/acer/wireless'); |
| 12:58.53 | abrotman | made what? |
| 12:59.20 | XwZ1 | made : Cmnd_Alias WIFI_EN=echo 'enabled: 1' > /proc/acpi/acer/wireless |
| 13:00.18 | XwZ1 | I have similar configuration on my gentoo and i haven't problem |
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| 13:02.06 | zxxd | how much swap space to create |
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| 13:02.25 | cast | not more than 512mb imo |
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| 13:02.27 | cast | i dont use any |
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| 13:02.40 | zxxd | yes, these days swap space is berly used |
| 13:02.49 | zxxd | with newer kernels |
| 13:02.58 | cast | not only that, but since hard drives haven't kept up with speed increases |
| 13:03.15 | ziggy | whats the advantage of using debian over ubuntu |
| 13:03.27 | zxxd | cast, speed increases where? |
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| 13:03.37 | cast | with cpu/memory |
| 13:03.48 | cast | ziggy: you can say fuck and not get told off. |
| 13:05.12 | zxxd | heh |
| 13:05.36 | arafangion | cast, No swearing or anything on freenode, and no fun either. |
| 13:05.48 | zxxd | how much space for /tmp ? twice the space of varlog? |
| 13:05.48 | ziggy | i mean the OS, not the irc channel |
| 13:06.14 | themill | dpkg: tell ziggy about why debian |
| 13:06.30 | cast | arafangion: good thing thats not enforced! :) |
| 13:07.24 | arafangion | cast, Ye who art naive! |
| 13:07.26 | jescis | themill, because I downloaded it from their sourceforge page and the only files there are the tar.gz files. :/ |
| 13:07.56 | themill | jescis: but the package is already in the debian archive |
| 13:07.57 | abrotman | jescis: there is a filezilla package in debian |
| 13:07.57 | jescis | defrysk, thanks for the help :) |
| 13:08.12 | arafangion | jescis, Why not do 'apt-get install <packagename>"? |
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| 13:08.17 | pogay | wols: I' install lenny from an iso over QEMU on a stick-partiton(not Image), it seem's to work so far. Grub-Entry in mbr, I have to make in a second step. |
| 13:08.25 | cast | ziggy: use both, then decide :) reason i use debian is, the value ubuntu adds to debian is newbie friendliness at the cost of stability and reliability. which is great for new users in the short term, but not for old users in the short or long term |
| 13:08.56 | arafangion | Debian is unbeaten in terms of upgradability. |
| 13:09.16 | jescis | arafangion, now that I have it installed from source I don't need to. But my friend on ubuntu can >_> |
| 13:09.30 | arafangion | Mostly due to extremely mature packages and package dependencies. |
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| 13:09.56 | wald0 | what is the better way to overclock a intel motherboard under debian ? the bios is pretty complicated |
| 13:10.08 | arafangion | wald0, Completely unsupported. |
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| 13:10.16 | wald0 | arafangion, what you mean ? |
| 13:10.17 | abrotman | wald0: that's a bios function AFAIK |
| 13:10.24 | wald0 | oh |
| 13:10.34 | abrotman | wald0: in other words .. ask ##hardware how to destroy your hardware :) |
| 13:10.34 | arafangion | wald0, Keep in mind that debian pushes the hardware harder than windows, as well, though perhaps not as hard as /shudder/ vista. |
| 13:10.48 | ziggy | well, i have used ubuntu, and many other distros and am currently a mandriva user, the only thing i miss about *buntu is the availability of packages, and the community of support, what i hated about *buntu, im a KDE user, and kubuntu is a crappy KDE, and *buntu tends to be slower on my machine.....now.....what specific advantage is there to using debian to using Ubuntu? |
| 13:10.49 | cast | wald0: surely the bios is the simple way... |
| 13:10.58 | wald0 | seems like some daemons has turn my "try" of overclock to his default state |
| 13:11.24 | wald0 | cast, well, i have found a lot more easy in amd than in intel, there's a lot of options |
| 13:11.32 | arafangion | ziggy, Ubuntu lets you setup a machine and forget about administration for more than 5 years. |
| 13:11.40 | arafangion | ziggy, Debian, rather. |
| 13:11.47 | arafangion | Damn I'm getting tired. |
| 13:12.05 | cast | ziggy: i seem to get better support for difficult/complicated problems in the debian community, higher ratio of experienced to new users |
| 13:12.05 | ziggy | does debian have older packages than ubuntu? |
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| 13:12.23 | cast | sometimes #ubuntu people say scary things :\ when its someone new helping someone really new |
| 13:12.28 | arafangion | ziggy, That is a nonsensical thing. |
| 13:12.36 | arafangion | ziggy, Nonsensical question, rather. |
| 13:12.43 | abrotman | !etch |
| 13:12.43 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r4> |
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| 13:13.28 | cast | ziggy: depends what time of year it is. ;P. and if you run testing or stable. |
| 13:13.33 | Nathariel | ziggy if you talk about bins in reps - for sure |
| 13:13.35 | ziggy | i mean do newer version packages become avail. for Ubuntu before they do for debian |
| 13:13.38 | tview | Anyone else here experiencing problems getting google street view to work on iceweasel in debian? |
| 13:13.39 | arafangion | cast, I've noticed that it's rather difficult to get help on specific problems in ubuntu-land, indeed. :( If you're on the well-trod path, everything's cool, but the moment you decide to do something wierd (like, I don't know, implement your own OpenGL app and discover that the latest upgrade removed your headers), you're toast. |
| 13:14.15 | ziggy | also, can you use ubuntu .debs on debian? |
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| 13:14.25 | Nathariel | ... |
| 13:14.33 | maxamillion | ziggy: it is not a good idea |
| 13:14.35 | arafangion | ziggy, Officially no. Unofficially yes, but with very bad results. |
| 13:15.14 | tview | could some kind sould tell if me http://tinyurl.com/2clsr8 works for them in iceweasel. Its a google streets url. I just get a blank dialog. |
| 13:16.09 | fugit | tview: works fine in ice |
| 13:16.10 | Nathariel | tview , works |
| 13:16.26 | arafangion | tview, Works fine in Opera 9.5, though without flash 9, I don't get the street view. |
| 13:16.30 | tview | you see the stree view fine from the street level? |
| 13:17.00 | arafangion | i saweet view at work, in firefox, was damn impressive. |
| 13:17.03 | fugit | tview: street view came up fine if not a little dark |
| 13:17.05 | tview | maybe someone can walk me through getting flash properly installed? It must be flash. youtube etc work (but crash often) |
| 13:17.16 | arafangion | Most rediculious abuse of a webbrowser I've seen. |
| 13:19.22 | petemc | the piclens plugin for firefox is pretty impressive too |
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| 13:20.40 | tview | which flash plugin do you use? |
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| 13:20.48 | bjoernb | hi |
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| 13:21.25 | bjoernb | now that debian is in freeze, will there be a new version of trac in testing before debian 5.0 will be released this fall? |
| 13:21.52 | wols | no |
| 13:22.01 | bjoernb | trac 0.11 has many new features. trac 0.10.4 is in debian testing. |
| 13:22.05 | wols | it (rarely) happens but usually not |
| 13:22.15 | cast | feels so fast, etch only just got stable! |
| 13:22.53 | bjoernb | wols: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=trac really? |
| 13:23.00 | amphi | cast: heh |
| 13:23.36 | wols | bjoernb: then you are lucky |
| 13:23.36 | bjoernb | cast: and the numbers increase so fast nowadays... |
| 13:23.44 | wols | usually freeze means nothing new and bugfix only |
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| 13:24.39 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:24.39 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 13:24.47 | enouf | ... |
| 13:24.47 | bjoernb | but i wonder what the 14 days mean? does it mean we will not put it into testing, since testing is in freeze, or does it mean we have some problems, we will put it later on into testing? |
| 13:25.09 | et | bjoernb: the 14 days is a "since 14 days" |
| 13:25.28 | et | and that page doesn't seem to take the freeze into account |
| 13:25.34 | arafangion | Maybe I should upgrade to lenny sometime. |
| 13:25.37 | enouf | i want to know what the EtchnHalf and 4.0r4 .24 kernel means for standard Etch users |
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| 13:25.48 | enouf | is it only an Installer feature? |
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| 13:25.57 | tarzeau | enouf: more hardware support |
| 13:26.04 | Ravn | anyone know if there is any free visualisation software similar to MS visio? |
| 13:26.09 | enouf | and those now running Etch 4.x should use Backports/org? |
| 13:26.14 | tarzeau | enouf: i had new intel video cards that didn't work with etch, but do fine w/ etch n 0.5 |
| 13:26.15 | bjoernb | http://buildd.debian.org/~jeroen/status/package.php?p=trac says nothing done so far. |
| 13:26.20 | enouf | tarzeau: that's not what i'm asking |
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| 13:26.35 | tarzeau | enouf: no it's not just an installer feature |
| 13:26.48 | tarzeau | enouf: it's also new and more packages for etch if added to your sources.list |
| 13:26.49 | enouf | tarzeau: 4.0r4 includes a .24 .. ok |
| 13:26.57 | abrotman | as an option |
| 13:27.05 | tarzeau | enouf: it's not just a kernel, it's a bunch of newer packages |
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| 13:27.25 | enouf | so, an apt-get upgrade or dist-upgrade will NOT pull in the .24 4.0r4 kernel? |
| 13:27.26 | Nyle | yo |
| 13:27.40 | enouf | presuming ONLY etch is in sources.list |
| 13:28.06 | abrotman | enouf: right .. it will not |
| 13:28.11 | enouf | ok, thank you |
| 13:28.18 | Nyle | aww |
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| 13:28.24 | enouf | so, still we refer those to backports.org? |
| 13:28.35 | abrotman | they can use either. . though i think bpo has a .25 now |
| 13:28.37 | graytron | tarzeau: what should i add to sources.list for 0.5? |
| 13:28.42 | enouf | if they want a newer kernel, for whatever reason, yet remain solely with Etch |
| 13:28.45 | abrotman | graytron: you don't add anything |
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| 13:28.53 | up365 | tview, http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 13:28.55 | abrotman | graytron: apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 13:29.03 | enouf | kisses Nyle |
| 13:29.12 | graytron | abrotman: aha. thanks |
| 13:29.27 | Nyle | ugh |
| 13:29.34 | segfault- | !ping |
| 13:29.34 | dpkg | pong |
| 13:29.36 | Nyle | such faggotry in the morning! |
| 13:29.37 | segfault- | oups |
| 13:29.39 | segfault- | lol |
| 13:29.48 | abrotman | Nyle: watch it |
| 13:29.49 | tview | so someone there that the street view worked for, what version of libswfdec do you have installed? |
| 13:30.13 | segfault- | excuse me, such what ? ! |
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| 13:30.35 | Nyle | exhibition of homosexuality... |
| 13:30.40 | enouf | Nyle: you don't know men, if you call me kissing you .. that |
| 13:30.48 | Nyle | kicks enouf |
| 13:30.49 | Nyle | ;) |
| 13:30.51 | abrotman | segfault-: you'll have to excuse Nyle .. he's got issues |
| 13:30.57 | enouf | and it wasn't on the lips you asshole |
| 13:30.59 | graytron | Nyle: do you often go to such exhibitions? |
| 13:30.59 | joneal | hi |
| 13:31.05 | Nyle | graytron, ask enouf |
| 13:31.14 | segfault- | abrotman, heh, well i've got too, i'm a bitch .. |
| 13:31.17 | enouf | i'm sorry channel |
| 13:31.23 | Nyle | enouf, keep a 3 foot bubble around me please. |
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| 13:31.24 | Nyle | personal space |
| 13:31.28 | enouf | i will stop speaking to Nyle in public |
| 13:31.30 | abrotman | points at #debian-offtopic |
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| 13:32.03 | enouf | pushes Nyle into the men's restroom |
| 13:32.06 | enouf | O_o |
| 13:32.26 | Nyle | ! |
| 13:32.27 | enouf | (oh .. i can be so cutting sometimes ... ) |
| 13:32.36 | Nyle | *shakes head* |
| 13:32.45 | infernixx | hi all. i'm logged in on a box on which I cannot edit the /etc/hosts file, nor change dns. does anyone know of an alternative method that allows me to add a name to an IP address so I can browse there in firefox (just until I get the DNS admins to update the DNS)? |
| 13:32.47 | segfault- | enouf, push him in #gaygeeks or #gaygeeks-asl |
| 13:32.51 | Nyle | well anyway i got a 3 node debian cluster up |
| 13:32.53 | Nyle | yay |
| 13:33.06 | enouf | Nyle: join offtopic you weenie |
| 13:33.10 | Nyle | no |
| 13:33.15 | abrotman | then stop doing it here |
| 13:33.17 | cr3rzemjest | can u use audacity with drums |
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| 13:33.24 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: hydrogen |
| 13:33.28 | enouf | ok, then /query |
| 13:34.53 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, yes. http://www.nycomputerdoctor.com/Nyle/Mortal.mp3 <-- drums made in hydrogen, exported as wav, imported in audacity, and multitracked with 2 guitar layers, rythem and lead, stereo, cleaned up with some other debian signal processing tools and some audacity plugins |
| 13:34.56 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman, but how to add it as a separate track? save as wav? |
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| 13:35.06 | cr3rzemjest | i see |
| 13:35.09 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, hydrogen website also has many songs, samples, and tracks |
| 13:35.12 | enouf | he won't answer me .. lmao .. he talks about kicking other in their cajones, and then thinks i'm . .er ... nm ;-) |
| 13:35.12 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: i'd assume you export it as wav or mp3 and import it into audacity |
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| 13:35.30 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, in fact, I do all my music production on a strictly debian sid studio |
| 13:35.32 | cedric3 | hi i have a question please i have a file i don't know the package who have this file |
| 13:35.39 | cedric3 | thanks for your help |
| 13:35.51 | abrotman | !tell cedric3 about search |
| 13:35.55 | cr3rzemjest | Nyle, wut? no FL cubase etc? |
| 13:36.07 | Nyle | nope |
| 13:36.14 | Nyle | debian and dsfg tools only |
| 13:36.21 | Nyle | except of liblame |
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| 13:36.26 | enouf | haha @ cubase |
| 13:36.28 | cr3rzemjest | it's easier if u can edit drums in real-time |
| 13:36.35 | abrotman | !u |
| 13:36.35 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 13:36.35 | Nyle | you can |
| 13:36.40 | up365 | tview, I don't have libswfdec0.3(pkg)or latest ver 0.3.6-2.2 installed and street view worked. |
| 13:36.50 | enouf | when are you weenies going to learn how REALLY to record |
| 13:36.54 | enouf | ? |
| 13:36.56 | cedric3 | abrotman : thanks |
| 13:37.24 | Nyle | enouf, no time, work and girl and guitar for 3-4 hours a day leaves me no time to learn to record, you gonna teach us |
| 13:37.29 | Nyle | i used to have a ##recording |
| 13:37.29 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: you don't edit drums, you get a fucken kickass drummer |
| 13:37.37 | Nyle | if you wanna just talk there |
| 13:37.38 | Nyle | or #music |
| 13:37.45 | cedric3 | i try dpkg -S /etc/..... but it tell me not found |
| 13:37.49 | cr3rzemjest | enouf, how do i put drummer into my PC |
| 13:37.49 | tview | up365: thanks. Which flash plug in do you have installed? |
| 13:37.51 | enouf | Nyle: you have no idea who i am ... ;-) |
| 13:37.54 | Nyle | I'm already in #music cr3rzemjest enouf |
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| 13:38.29 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: you don't |
| 13:38.39 | up365 | tview, http://debian-multimedia.org/ the .deb from there. |
| 13:38.41 | enouf | cr3rzemjest: you live life and find the right person |
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| 13:38.56 | Nyle | or you pull some Tron shit... |
| 13:38.57 | amphi | !wut |
| 13:38.57 | dpkg | hmm... wut is a lamer way of saying what |
| 13:39.00 | enouf | it's called "chemistry" |
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| 13:39.30 | abrotman | cedric3: which file ? |
| 13:39.48 | enouf | Computers cannot mimic the nuances that humans exude |
| 13:40.01 | cedric3 | abrotman : /usr/share/php/SOAP/Server.php |
| 13:40.03 | enouf | not yet, anyway |
| 13:40.16 | enouf | and definitely not musically |
| 13:40.20 | abrotman | cedric3: dpkg -S usr/share/php/SOAP/Server.php |
| 13:40.24 | tview | up365: yes. I have that in my sources too. But which package? Which of the flash plugins do you use? |
| 13:40.26 | Nyle | there is also a 'rosegarden' |
| 13:40.31 | graytron | enouf: with microsoft software they can |
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| 13:40.34 | Nyle | its nice, I have not used it much though |
| 13:40.41 | enouf | sticks Nyle with a rose bush |
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| 13:40.53 | enouf | graytron: right .. all Vistas |
| 13:41.05 | cedric3 | abrotman : yes and it tell me not found if i try with other file it's ok i tell me the package i don't know if it's a package or cpan install |
| 13:41.11 | Nyle | and there is ptabtools for powertab, dguitar for gp3/4 format |
| 13:41.19 | abrotman | !find usr/share/php/SOAP/Server.php etch |
| 13:41.22 | amphi | enouf: exude? eeww |
| 13:41.24 | Nyle | metronomes, effects, etc etc |
| 13:41.24 | wald0 | OT: anybody recommends me a DECENT keyboard ? im tired of all these toys, i need a good-typing keyboard, maybe a laptop like one (i have tried the genius one and is pure cr4p) |
| 13:41.26 | up365 | tview, flashplayer-mozilla_9.0.124.0-0.0_i386.deb |
| 13:41.31 | enouf | amphi: i know .. haha |
| 13:41.32 | abrotman | wald0: ##hardware |
| 13:41.32 | Nyle | wald0, ##hardware |
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| 13:41.46 | Nyle | amphi, pin |
| 13:41.52 | wald0 | sorry,i have asked on #hardware since a while ago and nobody reply, seems like everybody is sleeping |
| 13:41.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'usr/share/php/SOAP/Server.php' (1): (/usr/share/php/SOAP/Server.php) in web/php-soap. |
| 13:41.57 | enouf | amphi: i couldn't think of a better "Nyle understandable" verb :-P |
| 13:42.00 | amphi | !be mwilson barbie |
| 13:42.01 | dpkg | What in the world does that have to do with barbie? Other than nothing, of course. |
| 13:42.05 | abrotman | wald0: then wait .. |
| 13:42.09 | amphi | heh |
| 13:42.16 | cedric3 | i search to list the cpan module install |
| 13:42.18 | wald0 | but also, on this channel are more coders than in #hardware, so coders needs a GOOD keyboard |
| 13:42.20 | Nyle | :( |
| 13:42.21 | hollywoodb | I've got my sources.list set to just "lenny" (installed & updated from beta2 disc) and I can't seem to find xlock/xlockmore anywhere. even apt-file search doesn't nail any results |
| 13:42.28 | abrotman | cedric3: it's in php-soap |
| 13:42.37 | enouf | hugs Nyle .. this time, no kissing |
| 13:42.43 | abrotman | hollywoodb: i think it's all in the xscreensaver package |
| 13:42.45 | amphi | Nyle: pöñ |
| 13:42.45 | Nyle | ahhh boy |
| 13:42.48 | abrotman | enouf/Nyle .. knock it off |
| 13:42.58 | Nyle | wtf did i do? |
| 13:43.01 | enouf | you're right abrotman - my bad |
| 13:43.06 | cedric3 | abrotman : but when i try dpkg -l |grep soap i don't find this package it's not installed |
| 13:43.09 | Nyle | I'm talkin to the dude about some debian studio |
| 13:43.12 | enouf | it's busy in here now |
| 13:43.16 | Nyle | watch it dude |
| 13:43.19 | abrotman | cedric3: how did you install PHP ? |
| 13:43.25 | tview | up365: yup. have that one. Aaargh. |
| 13:43.37 | enouf | Nyle: stop .. not in here- not apropos ;-) talk to me .. ---------------> |
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| 13:43.42 | stew | Nyle: please keep it on-topic |
| 13:43.48 | tview | Nyle: why not stfu for once. All you do is make noise. |
| 13:43.48 | hollywoodb | abrotman: xscreensaver can lock the screen, but the actual "xlock" (or xlockmore) binary isn't part of xscreensaver |
| 13:43.49 | cr3rzemjest | you don't know me |
| 13:43.52 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 13:43.54 | Nyle | whatever |
| 13:44.00 | wald0 | bah!, they uses microsoft keyboards of £8, what a recommendation... |
| 13:44.04 | abrotman | hollywoodb: right |
| 13:44.12 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, you wanna talk about that in #music? |
| 13:44.15 | abrotman | wald0: take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 13:44.20 | wald0 | ok |
| 13:44.20 | cedric3 | abrotman : php4 php4-cgi php4-cli php4-common php4-mysql php4-pear i have there packages |
| 13:44.25 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, what are you trying to do? what are you trying to record? |
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| 13:44.28 | cedric3 | installed |
| 13:44.28 | enouf | hollywoodb: there's also a app called xtrlock , iinm |
| 13:44.44 | amphi | xtrlock is nice |
| 13:45.03 | enouf | amphi: right .. i knew i heard it from you ;-) |
| 13:45.09 | cr3rzemjest | Nyle, guitar + drums |
| 13:45.16 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, same thing I do |
| 13:45.24 | tview | wald0: http://www.keyboardspecialists.co.uk/product/by_manufacturer/cherry/G81-3000/Standard+Cherry+Keyboard.htm |
| 13:45.38 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, you have which packages that you use? |
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| 13:45.55 | graytron | so basically etchnhalf is just the kernel? |
| 13:46.03 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, audacity, rosegarden, audacity vst plugins, hydrogen, and hydrogen-drumkits pacakge |
| 13:46.07 | wald0 | tview, looks good, thanks :) |
| 13:46.17 | Nyle | cr3rzemjest, you can get tutorials on hydrogen-music.org I think |
| 13:46.25 | cr3rzemjest | Nyle, i've just installed hydrogen, lmms, audacity and i'm trying them out |
| 13:46.30 | cr3rzemjest | ok |
| 13:46.32 | Nyle | and other paid drumkits if you need a good sound |
| 13:46.44 | DiegoMax | is away: Estoy ocupado |
| 13:46.47 | Nyle | paid is usually more better quality with nice cymbol overtones etc. |
| 13:46.52 | tview | wald0: simple but excellent. I think my model is n273. |
| 13:46.55 | Nyle | but the free kits are also pacakged in debian |
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| 13:47.11 | abrotman | tview: #debian-offtopic please |
| 13:47.18 | abrotman | !tell DiegoMax about away |
| 13:47.20 | Nyle | which I don't see how its offtopic as stew tells me |
| 13:47.32 | Nyle | but whatever, we can discuss debian studio recording in #music if you want |
| 13:47.42 | DiegoMax | ops, sorry |
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| 13:48.06 | DiegoMax | done, thanks :) |
| 13:49.29 | segfault- | hmmm |
| 13:49.30 | up365 | tview, You have flash in your Installed plug-ins (about:plugins) |
| 13:49.36 | segfault- | got troubles installing a few packages |
| 13:49.52 | segfault- | (initial upgrade of a serially connected raq4) |
| 13:50.05 | segfault- | it crash at 'at' install |
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| 13:50.26 | segfault- | Starting deferred execution scheduler: atdinvoke-rc.d: initscript atd, action "start" failed. |
| 13:50.43 | segfault- | (the system is not yet in a state of running..) |
| 13:50.46 | stew | Nyle: are you seriously telling me that you don't see anything off-topic? |
| 13:51.21 | Nyle | stew, note what I told him |
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| 13:51.30 | Nyle | stew, which debian packages to get, not how to use them. |
| 13:51.55 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 13:52.02 | stew | Nyle: what about it? |
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| 13:52.04 | screamingbytes | or afternoon/evenin whichever it may be |
| 13:52.17 | Nyle | read. |
| 13:52.24 | stew | Nyle: i have |
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| 13:53.01 | segfault- | anyone got an idea for me ? |
| 13:53.19 | Nyle | obviously... |
| 13:53.22 | segfault- | ( Nyle be quiet seriously, please). |
| 13:53.29 | stew | Nyle: are you not going to answer my question then? |
| 13:53.40 | lil_cain | ldap question (feel free to send me elsewhere) I've got ldap set up, and users can auth from it, but it's not working with nss, unless you're root. All the files I can see (ldap.conf, /etc/ldap/ldap.conf, pam_ldap.so, and nss_ldap.so) are all world readable and executable. Is there anything silly I'm forgetting? |
| 13:54.10 | Nyle | stew, no, I do not see anything offtopic about that. If I was telling him how to use those softwares, that would be offtopic, not which packages to get in debian so he can setup what he is trying to setup. |
| 13:54.20 | Nyle | stew, how is this offtopic, please explain to me |
| 13:54.26 | stew | Nyle: this part isn't off-topic |
| 13:54.46 | segfault- | Nyle, question |
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| 13:54.49 | segfault- | are you admin ? |
| 13:54.51 | Nyle | you are referring to when enouf kept huggin and kissing me? and I didn't try to respond much? |
| 13:54.55 | segfault- | answer: probably no. |
| 13:54.59 | Nyle | which part are you specificalyl referring to stew? |
| 13:55.06 | segfault- | so shut up and let the ops act if they needs to :) |
| 13:55.06 | Nyle | so that I may try to avoid that in the future. |
| 13:55.34 | stew | Nyle: i'm not specifically talking about anything, i'm just suprised that you would think that you are completely on-topic. |
| 13:56.00 | segfault- | stew, as abrotman mentionned before, let it go, seems nyle is a special case. |
| 13:56.55 | abrotman | segfault-: stay out of it |
| 13:57.08 | abrotman | segfault-: paste the errors you get in a pastebin |
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| 13:59.35 | opensrcguru | lil_cain: are you using tls? |
| 13:59.38 | segfault- | abrotman, solved my problem already. |
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| 14:06.06 | tview | just FYI - it was flashblock killing google street view (yes, even after pressing play). Disabled it and/or added the sites into the whitelists and it worked fine. (The whitelist could do with regexps). |
| 14:06.21 | Nyle | google uses flash? |
| 14:06.31 | Nyle | I thought they used AJAX for all maps |
| 14:06.46 | Nyle | hmm.. weird, google using flash.. they really shouldn't |
| 14:06.48 | zxxd | where are instructions about using make-kpkg for comliling debian kernel? |
| 14:06.55 | cast | there sure are. |
| 14:06.56 | Nyle | zxxd, yes you are in luck |
| 14:07.02 | Nyle | !tell zxxd -about kp |
| 14:07.09 | Nyle | zxxd, go from there |
| 14:07.22 | zxxd | Nyle, i am not using a regular kernel |
| 14:07.31 | zxxd | Nyle, but the one with the xen patches |
| 14:07.41 | Nyle | (I have no exp with Xen) |
| 14:07.51 | Nyle | but I wouls assume its like any other kernel patch |
| 14:07.56 | zxxd | apt-get source linux-image-2.6-xen-686 |
| 14:08.04 | Nyle | but maybe not, I don't know Xen at all |
| 14:08.12 | tview | Nyle: so why so much noise? |
| 14:08.16 | zxxd | and i can't do make menuconfig , before i applied the xen patches under debian/ directory |
| 14:08.20 | Nyle | tview, /ignore Nyle |
| 14:08.30 | zxxd | because the XEN options aren't available |
| 14:08.33 | zxxd | wait i remember now |
| 14:08.39 | stew | zxxd: you want apt-get install linux-source-$version |
| 14:08.44 | zxxd | these options will popup when i compile the kernel |
| 14:08.47 | zxxd | and will ask me |
| 14:08.57 | Nyle | tview, (also he didn't mention Xen, at first his original query was regarding kernel packaging, which I tried to answer) |
| 14:08.58 | tview | zxxd: you're not having issues with nvidia video installer by any chance are you? |
| 14:09.04 | zxxd | tview, no :) |
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| 14:09.26 | stew | zxxd: what version are you trying to compile? |
| 14:09.49 | zxxd | linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1 |
| 14:09.51 | zxxd | stew, |
| 14:10.15 | stew | zxxd: just "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18" which would create a .tar.gz in /usr/src |
| 14:10.23 | zxxd | and then ? |
| 14:10.32 | stew | zxxd: then compile that with make-kpkg: /msg dpkg kp |
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| 14:11.13 | Nyle | !kp mantra |
| 14:11.13 | dpkg | i heard kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
| 14:11.40 | zxxd | stew, not with dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc ? |
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| 14:13.09 | stew | zxxd: if you get the source of the linux-image-2.6-xen-686 package and do dpkg-buildpackage, you are going to build 20 or so pacakges, like the xen, the non-xen, the 486, the 686, the -headers for each, the -source, the -kbuild, the -tree, all of the meta packages (like linux-image-2.6, linux-image-2.6-386, linix-image-xen-686...), when you probably only want to build 2 or three packages |
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| 14:13.15 | n-iCe | how do I update to the lastes libnl version? |
| 14:13.29 | stew | n-iCe: aptitude install packagename |
| 14:13.40 | Nyle | n-iCe, depends on if it has been packaged by debian |
| 14:13.45 | n-iCe | that's the problem the package name :p |
| 14:13.48 | n-iCe | for debian is ? libnl-dev |
| 14:13.52 | zxxd | make-kpkg --initrd --added-patches=bootsplash --revision=nfsboot-xen1.0 kernel_image modules_image |
| 14:13.53 | zxxd | I note that you are using the --revision flag with the value |
| 14:13.53 | zxxd | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.53 | zxxd | However, the ./debian/changelog file exists, and has a different value |
| 14:13.53 | zxxd | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:14.01 | Nyle | for a dev package yes |
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| 14:14.07 | Nyle | n-iCe, aptitude search libnl? |
| 14:14.13 | stew | n-iCe: why do you want to upgrade it? |
| 14:15.08 | zxxd | stew, it isn't working |
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| 14:15.18 | stew | !tell zxxd about paste |
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| 14:15.42 | stew | zxxd: what directory did you run the command in? |
| 14:16.03 | zxxd | under /usr/src/linux-2.6-2.6.18.dfsg.1 |
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| 14:17.01 | stew | zxxd: if you want to rebuild the source package, use dpkg-buildpackage like you said before. but as I said, i wouldn't recommend it, its going to take a long time becuase it will build many different kernels and 20 or so packages in all |
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| 14:22.48 | dman- | hey all, for some reason my perl modules dont seem to work when i include them, im getting Can't locate RRds.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.0 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.0 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at - line 1. even tho the module is in the path |
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| 14:24.59 | stew | dman-: what version of debian are you running? why did you install a local version of perl? |
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| 14:25.41 | zxxd | is there any way i can tell if lilo or grub is installed in the MBR |
| 14:25.51 | dman- | stew: deb 4.0, its just the apt version |
| 14:26.04 | stew | !info perl etch |
| 14:26.25 | dman- | hrm nothing? :) |
| 14:26.33 | dpkg | perl: (Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language), section perl, is standard. Version: 5.8.8-7etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 3499 kB, Installed size: 13140 kB |
| 14:26.44 | stew | dman-: the perl in 4.0 is 5.8.8. what does "which perl" return? |
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| 14:26.59 | dman- | just /usr/bin/perl |
| 14:27.17 | stew | dman-: so you are mising stable with testing or stable with unstable, it seems |
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| 14:27.44 | dman- | do you know how i might fix it? |
| 14:27.45 | stew | dman-: can you show us the output of "apt-cache policy perl libc6" ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 14:27.50 | dman- | k |
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| 14:29.00 | dman- | http://rafb.net/p/vsyY8a42.html |
| 14:29.04 | dman- | bot didnt work |
| 14:29.22 | dman- | looks like i am mixing... |
| 14:29.26 | dman- | do you know how to fix that? |
| 14:29.37 | stew | dman-: what are you using this machine for? |
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| 14:29.56 | stew | dman-: what version do of debian do you intend to run? |
| 14:29.56 | aitorciki | hi |
| 14:30.02 | zxxd | stew, make-kpkg clean , deleted all the debian/patches dir! |
| 14:30.06 | dman- | stew, im using 4.0 with a few testing |
| 14:30.26 | dman- | not sure why the perl isnt the right ver.. |
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| 14:30.36 | dman- | maybe a newer xen or something pulled it in |
| 14:30.37 | abrotman | because you're mixing |
| 14:30.44 | stew | dman-: its the right version for testing, which you've partially upgraded to |
| 14:31.00 | dman- | can i find out what i upgraded to that pulled in the new perl as a dep? |
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| 14:31.04 | stew | dman-: nothing from stable would pull in a package from testing |
| 14:31.28 | stew | dman-: you could look at /var/log/dpkg.log ; but knowing this isn't really going to be helpful |
| 14:31.35 | stew | dman-: what version do you intend to run, stable or testing? |
| 14:31.48 | dman- | stable i guess |
| 14:31.59 | stew | dman-: the easiest thing to do is to backup your data and reinstall, then |
| 14:32.15 | dman- | and if i do testing the easist is just a dist-upgrade? |
| 14:32.22 | greymalkin | How can I determine if a machine I'm on is Debian or Ubuntu via command line? |
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| 14:32.29 | stew | zxxd: are you running make-kpkg clean in the same directory as before? |
| 14:32.42 | enouf | Nyle: i sent you a pm |
| 14:32.43 | zxxd | stew, yes |
| 14:32.45 | stew | greymalkin: check "dpkg -l | grep ubuntu" |
| 14:32.56 | abrotman | except some debian packages have that |
| 14:33.20 | greymalkin | stew: I assume that no results means debian? |
| 14:33.24 | stew | zxxd: that is the source obtained by "apt-get source linux-image-2.6-xen-686", which is not what you want |
| 14:33.34 | stew | greymalkin: it means not ubuntu, at least |
| 14:34.01 | stew | greymalkin: what version of libc6 is installed? |
| 14:34.09 | abrotman | greymalkin: dpkg -l libc6 .. check the version .. is sometimes a good check |
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| 14:34.35 | dman- | stew: there is no way i can just make this perl install work? |
| 14:34.44 | greymalkin | stew: 2.3.6.ds1-13etch5 |
| 14:34.49 | stew | dman-: what are you using the machine for |
| 14:34.59 | abrotman | or they used to have ubuntu in the package version .. oh well |
| 14:35.02 | stew | greymalkin: that appears to be a slightly out of date version of debain stable |
| 14:35.05 | dman- | stew: xen hypervisor |
| 14:35.12 | dman- | using xen 3.2 from testing |
| 14:35.18 | greymalkin | stew: Yeah, doing updates now. |
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| 14:36.33 | dman- | and perl will be to run the nagios/centreon perl modules to monitor it |
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| 14:36.47 | stew | dman-: you can likely make that perl version work by finishing the upgrade to testing, but if you are going to run it as a xen domU you'd have to keep the stable kernel, i don't what kind of problems that would cause. if this is a publicly availabe server, it is NOT recommended to run testing. |
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| 14:37.26 | dman- | stew: just looking at the contents of a dist-upgrade theres no perl stuff to be upgraded, so what could actually stop it from working? |
| 14:37.47 | zxxd | stew: why not? |
| 14:37.48 | stew | dman-: show us the output of "apt-cache policy" |
| 14:38.11 | zxxd | stew: why not what i want |
| 14:39.00 | zxxd | stew: i just want a regular debianized linux kernel source but with the xen patches |
| 14:39.10 | zxxd | stew, so i can use make-kpkg |
| 14:39.17 | abrotman | isn't there a xen enabled kernel already in stable ? |
| 14:39.25 | pogay | Did somebody ever install something from QEMU to a physical partition? (my Lenny installatin was sucessfull, but I can't read the partitin afterwards. |
| 14:39.33 | tview | zxxd: the debian lenny kernel comes with the xen patches 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 14:39.46 | dman- | stew: http://rafb.net/p/PauORy67.html |
| 14:39.49 | zxxd | tview: the source kernel? |
| 14:39.51 | cast | so...xen works fine with xv but not nvidia right? |
| 14:39.52 | mhymn | points to #debian-xen in oftc |
| 14:40.07 | tview | zxxd: apaprently some smart arse did it to scupper the installation of the nvidia 3rd party driver. |
| 14:40.29 | stew | zxxd: if you want to use make-kpkg, you want the source obtained by "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.18". if you want to build the source obtained by "apt-get source linux-image-2.6-xen-686" you are going to use dpkg-buildpackage, which woudl build 8 or so different kernels, the headers package for each, the -source package, the -tree package, the kbuild package, and all the varios metapacakges |
| 14:40.44 | tview | cast: nvidia-glx from unstable also works. The best solution. |
| 14:40.53 | tview | as does vesa of course. |
| 14:40.53 | stew | zxxd: since all you want to do is build a single kernel, use make-kpkg and linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 14:41.04 | zxxd | stew, what about the xen patches? |
| 14:41.08 | tview | stew: but that does not include his xen ... |
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| 14:42.25 | stew | tview: are you sure? |
| 14:42.37 | stew | zxxd: you want to run a xen domU or a xen dom0? |
| 14:42.40 | PiousMinion | Can someone reccomend a console based partition editor, similar to that used in the installer, that supports setting up encypted volumes? |
| 14:42.45 | cast | tview: last i looked, the xen patches were for an old nvidia binary, is that still the case? |
| 14:42.55 | cast | PiousMinion: could just do it yourself. |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | PiousMinion: cfdisk ? |
| 14:43.13 | cast | PiousMinion: i don't think outside of the installer such a thing exists |
| 14:43.22 | tview | cast: not that I know. I know that the xen patches stoppoed you installing the nvidia driver from nvidia. |
| 14:43.42 | PiousMinion | abrotman: nice suggestion, but cfdisk doesn't see my sata drive. |
| 14:43.43 | stew | what does any of this have to do with nvidia? |
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| 14:43.57 | abrotman | PiousMinion: i'd say that's a bigger problem |
| 14:44.00 | cast | PiousMinion: that won't be a cfdisk issue... |
| 14:44.04 | stew | tview: are you sure that the linux-source-2.6.18 package doesn't include xen? |
| 14:44.14 | PiousMinion | abrotman: ignore my previous statement. lol |
| 14:44.15 | PiousMinion | cast: ^ |
| 14:44.23 | tview | no. But going on what he said about the patch files being seperate. |
| 14:44.41 | stew | tview: that was with the source package, not the binary pacakge |
| 14:44.56 | zxxd | stew, domU |
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| 14:45.04 | PiousMinion | anywho, cfdisk doesn't support that. :/ |
| 14:45.18 | stew | zxxd: and why are you building a kernel at all instead of just isntalling one with apt? |
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| 14:46.15 | dman- | stew: would it be possible to just upgrade the perl stuff for now? |
| 14:46.15 | zxxd | stew, because i have to apply a kernel patch - bootsplash patch |
| 14:46.21 | abrotman | PiousMinion: support what? |
| 14:46.40 | zxxd | but now that i think about it |
| 14:46.43 | stew | dman-: it is upgraded |
| 14:46.50 | zxxd | it's stupid , since it's a domU |
| 14:47.04 | dman- | stew: so what *exactly* stops it from being able to load these modules? |
| 14:47.10 | zxxd | stew, but anyway if i wanted how would it be done? |
| 14:47.12 | abrotman | PiousMinion: cfdisk is pretty simliar if not the same as the ncurses partitioner in the installer |
| 14:47.14 | dman- | its not liek they need to be compiled for a specific perl ver |
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| 14:48.34 | stew | zxxd: i don't know. i was under the impression that xen would be in linux-source-2.6.18 |
| 14:48.46 | zxxd | stew, don't see it there no |
| 14:48.53 | stew | zxxd: i'd recommend just using a debian kernel and a userspace bootsplash like spashy or usplash |
| 14:49.04 | PiousMinion | abrotman: I'm trying to created an encypted volume like I did in the installer. I don't see any options like that in cfdisk. I can't even figure otu what paritition type to use to pull this off manually. |
| 14:49.06 | stew | dman-: how did you install those modules |
| 14:49.19 | stew | dman-: you, btw don't have security.debian.org in your sources.list: /msg dpkg security |
| 14:49.19 | dman- | stew: nagios did via cpan i suspect |
| 14:49.23 | abrotman | PiousMinion: ah .. that's a bit different |
| 14:49.26 | cast | PiousMinion: really...just do it manually. |
| 14:49.26 | stew | dman-: how did you install ngios? |
| 14:49.31 | stew | nagios* |
| 14:49.32 | abrotman | PiousMinion: dmcrypt ? |
| 14:49.33 | dman- | stew: compiled from source |
| 14:49.50 | stew | dman-: why would you compile it from source instead of isntalling it with apt? |
| 14:49.51 | dman- | debian package had screwey paths |
| 14:50.03 | zxxd | stew, it puts itself into initrd? |
| 14:50.05 | dman- | centreon, a nagios front end doesnt like it |
| 14:50.05 | PiousMinion | cast: you keep sayign that, but I have no clue where to begin. |
| 14:50.11 | gonzaloaf_laptop | hi, I have bought a laptop with 4G of RAM, but my 32bit debian just recognizes 3G, if I install a 64bit distribution, will I find all software available for 32bits system> |
| 14:50.15 | gonzaloaf_laptop | ? |
| 14:50.16 | stew | zxxd: i don't know |
| 14:50.19 | PiousMinion | abrotman: dmcrypt creates partitions? |
| 14:50.27 | cast | PiousMinion: man cryptsetup |
| 14:50.33 | abrotman | you have to create the partition .. then create the encrypted filesystem |
| 14:50.39 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
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| 14:50.54 | abrotman | gonzaloaf_laptop: 3.3GB ? |
| 14:50.56 | stew | dman-: did you install this module before or after you upgraded to testing? |
| 14:51.05 | bkw | Anyone who knows if Intel G31 Express is supported by etch installation cd? |
| 14:51.22 | dman- | stew: after id say, since i dont remember actually upgrading perl to testing or anything for awhile |
| 14:51.32 | PiousMinion | cast: I'm still stuck with not knowing what parition type to use. |
| 14:51.32 | abrotman | bkw: which part of it ? |
| 14:51.35 | themill | gonzaloaf_laptop: you need a -bigmem kernel not just the -686 kernel |
| 14:51.40 | dman- | stew: only thing was xen 3.2 which i assume pulled in the new perl |
| 14:51.40 | stew | dman-: if it was before, it would explain it |
| 14:51.51 | bkw | abrotman: sata controller, and network |
| 14:51.52 | dman- | which was ages ago, i did nagios today |
| 14:51.55 | gonzaloaf_laptop | themill, just that? |
| 14:51.58 | sobersabre | guys, a user command when invoked via sudo -u <username> <command> gets an empty env. |
| 14:52.05 | abrotman | bkw: do you know the actual devices on it ? |
| 14:52.16 | sobersabre | I have another machine with that user getting a good env. |
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| 14:52.23 | stew | dman-: the fact that upgrading perl would break modules installed by CPAN is one of the reasons to not to install modules via cpan |
| 14:52.39 | sobersabre | the other one uses Authentication methods: 'passwd' |
| 14:52.40 | abrotman | bkw: ich8 ? |
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| 14:52.47 | sobersabre | and this one uses 'pam' |
| 14:52.51 | cast | PiousMinion: any. it doesnlt matter. just pic 'linux' if you like |
| 14:53.34 | bkw | abrotman: http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/document?docname=c01386897&lc=en&cc=us&lang=en&product=3709709&dlc=en |
| 14:53.44 | zxxd | stew, do you know if there is any harm in using libc6-xen in a non xen machine? |
| 14:53.44 | bkw | abrotman: I don't know what familiy it is |
| 14:54.22 | sobersabre | is this Authentication method changeable on run-time ? |
| 14:54.28 | abrotman | bkw: i'd say the netowrk and sata should be .. have you tried it ? |
| 14:55.11 | abrotman | wtf is 4.0r4a ? |
| 14:55.21 | bkw | abrotman: no, I've plans to buy an pavilion A6412 which come with that mobo, MSI MS-7525 |
| 14:55.23 | dman- | stew: found a work around, installing the apt versions of the module seems to work.. |
| 14:55.40 | abrotman | bkw: there is the etchnhalf netinst .. which uses a .24 kernel which would give you a better chance |
| 14:55.56 | pickcoder | I thought 4.0r4 had it, but apparently not |
| 14:55.56 | abrotman | stew: do you know what the 4.0r4a is ? |
| 14:56.08 | abrotman | wonders what the 'a' is for |
| 14:56.25 | pickcoder | btw.. is it me or does the .25 kernel show timing marks on the left side of the kernel loading |
| 14:56.33 | pickcoder | .18 doesn't do it |
| 14:56.40 | mhymn | abrotman: it stands for abrotman! |
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| 14:56.58 | abrotman | pickcoder: yes on lenny it does |
| 14:57.08 | pickcoder | the one in bpo does it too |
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| 14:59.48 | regurgitate | nas |
| 15:01.22 | stew | abrotman: i don't know. there was nothing on debian-announce or debian-devel-announce |
| 15:01.58 | bkw | abrotman: could you findout what family that mb belongs to, ich9? |
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| 15:02.37 | abrotman | bkw: i didn't find out .. but you probably could |
| 15:02.45 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 15:02.45 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
| 15:03.01 | JyZyXEL | speech recognition on linux` |
| 15:03.07 | JyZyXEL | anyone know? |
| 15:03.16 | abrotman | google? |
| 15:03.22 | stew | abrotman: i'd guess it was 4.0r4+oops, like there was some minor screwup on 4.0r4 |
| 15:03.31 | JyZyXEL | There is currently no open-source equivalent of proprietary speech recognition software |
| 15:03.32 | abrotman | stew: i guessed the same but didn't see anything |
| 15:03.40 | abrotman | JyZyXEL: then why are you asking here? |
| 15:03.54 | JyZyXEL | ? |
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| 15:06.22 | stew | abrotman: i'm asking #-www about the broken links |
| 15:06.32 | abrotman | that was another question :) |
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| 15:06.51 | abrotman | i got distracted by the 'a' and forgot |
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| 15:07.14 | stew | there is no bug filed on www.debian.org or mentioned on l.d.o/debian-www yet |
| 15:07.38 | stew | it might be one of those things where they just say "it's already fixed but one be visible until the next site rebuid" |
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| 15:09.30 | bullium | running debian 4.0 and set my network settings with System -> Administration -> Network and everything works great until a reboot. All of the settings that where stored in /etc/resolv.conf which is a symlink to/etc/resolvconf/run/resolv.conf how do I fix this...I'm unable to use chattr +i on the file? |
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| 15:10.19 | bullium | the interface is set to static in /etc/network/interfaces so DHCP shouldn't be an issue |
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| 15:12.23 | psycodad_ | hi, how can i find out which packages depend on a certain package ? I want to find out what expects ardur-gtk which is not available in lenny yet and I only have a list of packages but no hint which one is requiring ardur-gtk. |
| 15:12.39 | cahoot | ardour? |
| 15:12.49 | abrotman | psycodad_: apt-cache rdepends <pkg> |
| 15:12.54 | stew | psycodad_: "aptitude search '~Dpacakgename'" or "apt-cache rdepends packagename" |
| 15:12.55 | psycodad_ | cahoot: yes, sorry |
| 15:13.03 | pickcoder | where did libapache2-mod-security go |
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| 15:13.07 | invitado | hi |
| 15:13.39 | bullium | no one else has an issue with network settings being lost on statically set machines? |
| 15:13.39 | psycodad_ | abrotman, stew: thx a lot, will try it. |
| 15:14.06 | stew | pickcoder: has that ever been in debian? |
| 15:14.08 | invitado | i have two sata disks with raid 0 hardware configuration one disk is dammage can i recover information from the other disk? |
| 15:15.12 | stew | pickcoder: oh, it was in sarge. it was removed because it was GPL |
| 15:15.21 | stew | pickcoder: and GPL and ASL don't mix |
| 15:15.28 | pickcoder | what a pita |
| 15:15.32 | stew | pickcoder: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=352344 |
| 15:15.49 | pickcoder | why the hell was it introduced to start with then |
| 15:16.09 | pickcoder | oh well |
| 15:16.19 | stew | pickcoder: it was a mistake to. the upstream author aprantly doesn't care to make it publicly distributable |
| 15:16.28 | psycodad_ | abrotman: it gives me empty in both variants... I really wonder where that comes from then. |
| 15:16.44 | invitado | someone know ? |
| 15:16.46 | invitado | :'( |
| 15:17.12 | stew | invitado: in RAID0, if you lose any disk in the array , you lost all the data |
| 15:17.23 | stew | making the R in RAID0 a misnomer |
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| 15:17.41 | invitado | stew, did you know some software to recover that? |
| 15:18.04 | pickcoder | invitado: RAID0 is striping.. not data redundancy. that's RAID1 |
| 15:18.19 | psycodad_ | hmmm...ok, ardour-gtk is directly referenced, sometimes its just to simple to see ;-) thx anyway. |
| 15:18.27 | stew | invitado: i don't. depending on what exactly the damage was, then there is no data to be recovered |
| 15:18.34 | invitado | :'( |
| 15:19.15 | stew | invitado: since RAID0 decreases reliability, you shouldn't use it unless you are prepared to lose all the data |
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| 15:21.40 | stew | invitado: in any case, whatever software might be able to recover data would have to come from the hardware vendor if it were a hardware raid, i'd think |
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| 15:22.02 | invitado | stew, dell sucks |
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| 15:22.32 | stew | uhh, ok |
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| 15:24.12 | mooper | hi, how do I tell which was the last ip address to be issued by a server? |
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| 15:26.42 | enzo | hi |
| 15:27.15 | enzo | i have a package, but i'd like to downgrade, how can i do ? i can do this with the lenny repository, or i have to find the old .deb ? |
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| 15:27.47 | stew | mooper: from a dhcp client? |
| 15:28.11 | stew | enzo: does "apt-cache policy packagename" list the version you are wanting to install? |
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| 15:29.36 | enzo | it returns this stew http://pastebin.com/d21261c9f |
| 15:30.06 | stew | enzo: waht version are you wanting to install? |
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| 15:30.24 | enzo | i want to downgrade to 2.4.5-7 |
| 15:30.28 | stew | enzo: check for that version in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 15:30.41 | enzo | no this is a fresh install of lenny stew |
| 15:30.52 | enzo | i check however, but few chance |
| 15:30.54 | stew | enzo: then /msg dpkg sdn |
| 15:31.07 | stew | although, unfortunately sdn is seeming to not be updating anymore |
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| 15:32.10 | themill | stew: you've come to that conclusion too? I thought I was hallucinating... :( |
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| 15:32.28 | stew | themill: the last update was 5/02 |
| 15:32.55 | stew | themill: compare http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/05/02/debian/ to http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2008/05/03/debian/ (or anything more recent) |
| 15:32.58 | themill | tries to convert that into an iso date |
| 15:33.02 | enzo | ah yes, good thing snapshot.debian.net ! |
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| 15:34.15 | tview | lenny stew? Sounds horrible. |
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| 15:34.25 | PiousMinion | no response in #off-topic, but... How old is too old to eat a slice of pizza that has been sitting in the fridge? idk what to do and it's killing me |
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| 15:34.38 | stew | PiousMinion: try #defocus |
| 15:34.45 | PiousMinion | stew: thanks |
| 15:34.49 | enzo | but stew, i only see source files on sdn, no .deb file ? |
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| 15:35.44 | stew | enzo: did you add a deb line to sources.list for sdn? |
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| 15:36.48 | stew | enzo: add "deb http://snapshot.debian.net/archive pool ecasound" to sources.list, then run "aptitude update" then "apt-cache policy ecasound" then pick a version from the list and install it with "aptitude install ecasound=version" |
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| 15:37.23 | themill | stew: ouch. Isn't snapshots a rather important part of debian's GPL compliance... debian distributes binaries of GPL software from the testing and unstable archives and for a lot of these packages the source is deleted from the debian servers and is not then available for download at a later date as required (e.g. by GPLv2 section 3) |
| 15:37.50 | enzo | ok stew, but only 2.0 ecasound versions are present |
| 15:37.55 | enzo | not 2.4.5-7 |
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| 15:38.45 | stew | themill: snapshot.debian.net is not debian, though |
| 15:39.07 | stew | themill: if keeping these archives available is important, it should be on debian.org and running on a debian server |
| 15:39.19 | bkw | abrotman: I found a solution with this http://www.intel.com/cd/products/services/emea/eng/motherboards/390990.htm motherboard instead, that should be supported, right? |
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| 15:39.43 | n-iCe | asorry stew im back |
| 15:39.49 | n-iCe | I wanted to install that becuase of this, Without a suitable kernel module you will never be able to start VMs. |
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| 15:39.57 | n-iCe | how do I install it? |
| 15:40.25 | stew | n-iCe: how do you install what? |
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| 15:40.45 | n-iCe | Without a suitable kernel module you will never be able to start VMs. It | | is strongly recommended to compile a kernel module now. The kernel | | headers and the tools to build kernel modules (gcc, make, binutils, ...) | | are required. |
| 15:40.49 | n-iCe | that |
| 15:40.50 | enzo | stew: there's no way for me to retrieve 2.4.5-7 with sdn ? |
| 15:40.54 | pogay | qemu |
| 15:40.59 | stew | n-iCe: i have no idea what you are talking about |
| 15:41.08 | allos_nerelin | |
| 15:41.08 | allos_nerelin | how do I install an older version of gcc? |
| 15:41.19 | n-iCe | stew: that's what virtualbox says |
| 15:41.51 | n-iCe | stew: http://www.adsasasasas.pastebin.com/m8969bda |
| 15:41.59 | wols | allos_nerelin: install gcc-<version> |
| 15:42.33 | wols | n-iCe: virtualbox-ose has debian packages (at least in sid) |
| 15:42.44 | wols | virtualbox-ose-source - x86 virtualization solution - kernel module source |
| 15:42.52 | wols | it should work with m-a like any other module |
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| 15:43.08 | n-iCe | wols: what should I install then |
| 15:43.18 | stew | n-iCe: you'd install kernel headers and the tools to build kernel modules with "aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential fakeroot module-assistant" |
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| 15:43.38 | n-iCe | ah i did this already install linux-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential |
| 15:43.46 | n-iCe | not with fakeroot module-assistant |
| 15:43.46 | themill | stew: well yes... I had wondered why it was unofficial anyway. |
| 15:43.48 | wols | n-iCe: are you installing OSE or the virtualbox proprietary version? |
| 15:43.52 | allos_nerelin | wols http://pastebin.com/d2f0c035a |
| 15:43.55 | stew | n-iCe: if what you need to compile is virtualbox-ose-source, then "aptitude install build-essential module-assistant" && m-a a-i virtualbox-ose |
| 15:44.17 | stew | allos_nerelin: why do you want such an old version of gcc? |
| 15:44.33 | wols | allos_nerelin: gcc-1.5? that's pretty much impossible to find. and it won't be able to produce binaries for your debian either |
| 15:44.50 | JyZyXEL | where can you read the status of lpt port? |
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| 15:45.03 | JyZyXEL | the data lines |
| 15:45.39 | wols | you need to fopen /dev/lpt I guess |
| 15:46.09 | allos_nerelin | stew To install the PTLink IRCd! |
| 15:46.13 | JyZyXEL | i have /dev/lp0 |
| 15:47.18 | wols | allos_nerelin: and where does it say it needs gcc-1.5? |
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| 15:47.31 | stew | allos_nerelin: i don't think gcc 1.5 ever existed. the 1.0 series of gcc was replaced about 15-20 years ago. what makes you think that you need 1.5 |
| 15:47.35 | wols | allos_nerelin: I'd just use the normally installed gcc (via "build-essential") |
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| 15:48.40 | allos_nerelin | humm |
| 15:49.33 | stew | allos_nerelin: why do you specifically want the PTLink IRCd instead of one of the ircds that comes with debian? |
| 15:50.50 | AntagaBoulet | re |
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| 16:17.33 | jetscreamer | !pdiff |
| 16:17.33 | liable | debhelper is slaking off |
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| 16:17.35 | abrotman | bkw: i'd get the one you wanted .. and try the etchnhalf installer |
| 16:17.35 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
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| 16:17.37 | mrak | can u tell me url for 64bit etch-backports |
| 16:17.37 | mrak | i tried backports.org bat it tell me (/var/lib/apt/lists/www.backports.org_debian_dists_etch-backports_main_binary-amd64_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
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| 16:17.38 | De_Mon | gets dizzy |
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| 16:17.42 | yggwork | hello can somone tell me where linux looks to decide weather to fsck a drive?, i have a system that i removed a drive from and it wants to fsck it but thedrives not there so its sort of freakign out |
| 16:17.42 | xsdg | yggwork: /etc/fstab |
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| 16:17.43 | jetscreamer | yggwork: you coule comment it out of fstab |
| 16:17.43 | jetscreamer | could |
| 16:17.43 | wols | yggwork: that info is normally stored on the disk itself |
| 16:17.43 | wols | in fstab it only tells it to check if the drive needs to be fsck'ed |
| 16:17.43 | yggwork | jetscreamer i did |
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| 16:17.44 | yggwork | ok ill play with it |
| 16:17.44 | wols | yggwork: is this RAID? |
| 16:17.44 | yggwork | jsut checking if there was something i was missing |
| 16:17.44 | yggwork | no . |
| 16:17.44 | yggwork | its jsut an old hdb |
| 16:17.44 | wols | then tell us the exact error |
| 16:17.44 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: fun :o) |
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| 16:17.44 | jetscreamer | kdelibs5 would be part of kde4? or what |
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| 16:17.44 | allos_nerelin | wols |
| 16:17.45 | allos_nerelin | <allos_nerelin> wols Because a friend said with a gcc very new I am not going to install the PTlink, because the source of IRCd is very old! |
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| 16:17.45 | wols | allos_nerelin: I saw this. just use the default debian gcc. if you get an error, come back |
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| 16:17.47 | Vegar | is there a solution for the segfaulting iceweasels? |
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| 16:17.49 | jetscreamer | dillo |
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| 16:17.51 | allos_nerelin | wols it works perfectly in freebsd ... only that I only have one machine debian where he does not want to work |
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| 16:17.53 | stew | allos_nerelin: you'll have to be more specific than "does not want to work" |
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| 16:17.53 | Lectus | Hello! I'm trying to install the nvidia driver from the nvidia website and it says it does not support the Xen Kernel, but I'm not using a Xen kernel. How can I solve this? thanks |
| 16:17.54 | Lectus | I'm using debian lenny. |
| 16:17.54 | wols | allos_nerelin: and what compiler is on that freebsd machine? |
| 16:17.54 | stew | Vegar: often segfaults in iceweasel would be caused by a plugin or extension. try removing them. you might try, for instance, running iceweasel as a different user to see if it is something installed in your .mozilla directory |
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| 16:17.56 | wols | Lectus: we don't support nvidia.com drivers |
| 16:17.56 | Vegar | stew: I've tried renaming ~/.mozilla |
| 16:17.56 | wols | !tell Lectus about nvidia lenny |
| 16:17.57 | jetscreamer | Lectus: compile your own kernel |
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| 16:17.57 | jetscreamer | Lectus: also see http://linux.hfds.com/files/n-i.txt and /join #nvidia |
| 16:17.57 | anddam | hello |
| 16:17.57 | stew | Vegar: are other applications sefaulting? |
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| 16:17.59 | Vegar | stew: nope |
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| 16:17.59 | Vegar | stew: it seems like moving .mozilla did make a difference this time |
| 16:17.59 | Vegar | it doesn't crash, but it doesn't start either |
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| 16:18.00 | AC97 | anyone knows why r8169 module doesn't work under debian netinst? module loads, I see device in ifconfig, I set the IP, netmask and defautl gw, but link doesn't go on |
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| 16:18.01 | segfault- | cya, kernel reboot |
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| 16:18.01 | AC97 | network card: rtl 8168/8111 works with r8169 module on suse |
| 16:18.01 | chemokid | hi, i've tried downloading 4.0r4 using the bittorrent and http/ftp links for i386 and ia64 but both give 404s |
| 16:18.01 | chemokid | are there any updated URLs that i should be using instead? |
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| 16:18.02 | stew | chemokid: 4.0r4a |
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| 16:18.02 | stew | chemokid: are you sure you want ia64 and not amd64? |
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| 16:18.02 | jetscreamer | The requested URL /debian-cd/4.0_r4/i386/iso-cd/ was not found on this server. |
| 16:18.02 | jetscreamer | Apache/2.2.6 (Unix) Server at cdimage.debian.org Port 80 |
| 16:18.02 | jetscreamer | weird |
| 16:18.03 | stew | jetscreamer: s/r4/r4a/ |
| 16:18.03 | jetscreamer | this works: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 16:18.03 | jetscreamer | stew: i just clicked the link from the debian.org page |
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| 16:18.03 | stew | jetscreamer: yes, it is broken |
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| 16:18.28 | jetscreamer | wow i discovered the wheel! |
| 16:18.42 | chemokid | stew: i'm going to test it out on a server with 64 bit xeon processors.. so the amd64 release is fine for that as well? |
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| 16:19.01 | jetscreamer | !ia64 |
| 16:19.01 | dpkg | it has been said that ia64 is (Intel Architecture-64), a 64-bit processor architecture developed in cooperation by Intel and Hewlett-Packard, implemented by processors such as Itanium and Itanium 2. The goal of Itanium was to produce a "post-RISC era" arch using EPIC. See http://www.debian.org/ports/ia64/ -- if your CPU is opteron/athlon64/turion/sempron/xeon/em64t/pentium/core2duo/core*, then it is NOT ia64, it's amd64. |
| 16:19.02 | stew | chemokid: 64 bit xeon processors are amd64 not ia64 |
| 16:19.03 | tonkar_fam | . |
| 16:19.07 | jetscreamer | !amd64 |
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| 16:19.07 | dpkg | somebody said amd64 was the Debian architecture optimized for x86-64, aka AMD64. Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64. The amd64 architecture also supports running i386 debian with either a -686 or -amd64 kernel. core2duo machines are amd64. See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel. |
| 16:19.25 | chemokid | ahh my bad |
| 16:19.27 | chemokid | thanks! |
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| 16:19.36 | jetscreamer | i just regurgitate |
| 16:19.37 | AC97 | so 4.0r4 etchnahalf is newer than 4.0r4? :)) |
| 16:19.39 | pickcoder | how can I set a permanent boot option for the current and future kernels |
| 16:19.56 | cahoot | #kopts |
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| 16:20.02 | stew | AC97: no, etchnahalf is contained in 4.0r4 |
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| 16:20.26 | AC97 | so what the difference between etchnahalf netinst and simple netinst ? |
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| 16:20.41 | pickcoder | never mind |
| 16:20.43 | cahoot | pickcoder: menu.lst has it all explained internally |
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| 16:20.48 | pickcoder | kopts |
| 16:20.58 | pickcoder | need more uarts... |
| 16:20.58 | stew | AC97: the availability of newer kernels in addition to the older kernels |
| 16:21.30 | AC97 | so if I want to use the newest |
| 16:21.34 | AC97 | there is no difference? |
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| 16:22.12 | stew | AC97: the newest is 4.0r4a |
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| 16:23.20 | AC97 | there are 4.0r4a simple and etchnahalf :) |
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| 16:23.56 | stew | AC97: they are differen |
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| 16:24.27 | AC97 | anyway, I hope the issue with r8169 module is fixed |
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| 16:24.46 | chemokid | the bot said "Consider using Debian i386 on x86-64 machines if you do not have a good reason to use Debian amd64." are there any issues with running 4.0 amd64 on x86-64 hardware? |
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| 16:25.22 | stew | chemokid: the unavailability of 64 bit non-free browser plugins like flash and java |
| 16:25.36 | chemokid | oh ok |
| 16:25.40 | chemokid | that doesn't affect me then |
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| 16:26.54 | stew | chemokid: non-free software in general is often not always available for amd64. if you are sticking entirely to free software, these things are generally not a problem |
| 16:26.59 | wols | chemokid: unless you have 4GB RAM or more or special software the gain is usually not there |
| 16:27.09 | stew | chemokid: a 64 bit install will use more memory than an equivalant 32 bit install |
| 16:27.13 | stew | (but memory is cheap these days) |
| 16:27.34 | chemokid | ok, just had to make sure it wasn't due to stability issues |
| 16:27.38 | AC97 | hint: use normal 32bit installation |
| 16:27.40 | ^shark_ | anyone heard about cfg2html utility. |
| 16:27.42 | AC97 | :) |
| 16:27.43 | wols | wonders if there are benchmarks for ssh or truecrypt on 64bit vs 32bit |
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| 16:27.54 | up365 | Looking for software monitoring of a Linksys BEFSR81 wired cable router on Debian etch, anything I can use? |
| 16:28.07 | chemokid | i've got 8 gigs of memory to play with so amd64 sounds like the better choice |
| 16:28.17 | wols | up365: what kind of monitoring the this router support? |
| 16:28.25 | wols | it being a consumer router afaik it doesn't support anything |
| 16:28.30 | stew | i had done a bunch of benchmarking of the large amounts of multimedia processing i do, but then found out that my results we tainted by other running processes |
| 16:28.54 | stew | and now i can never justify "hey everyone stop touching this box so i can do some benchmarks to satisfy some curiosity" |
| 16:28.58 | wols | stew: isn't mmedia stuff mainly using the SSE units anyways? |
| 16:28.58 | n3kl | Can someone tell my why my ~/.Xdefaults file is not being read? |
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| 16:29.01 | up365 | wols, Yeah it is a consumer router |
| 16:29.26 | stew | wols: i honestly don't know enough about it |
| 16:29.47 | wols | stew: ssh or other crypto algorithms use integer math mainly IIRC, so the doubling of the register width might have an impact there |
| 16:30.05 | wols | ewll SSE and MMX were explicitly designed for codecs |
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| 16:30.18 | stew | wols: i know that a lot of the audio software we use is integer math |
| 16:30.22 | stew | well at least some |
| 16:30.35 | wols | since they are lossy, fpu is good enough for them. no such luxury with crypto so they usually use integer math for what math they do |
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| 16:30.56 | wols | flac might be different |
| 16:31.14 | up365 | wols, Since I can't monitor the router, what about the network it's on? |
| 16:31.19 | wols | ah, was mainly thinking about video since it uses more processing power |
| 16:31.25 | stew | you name the audio format, we are probably doing it |
| 16:31.31 | wols | !cacti |
| 16:31.31 | dpkg | i guess cacti is a full network graphing solution designed to harness the power of RRDTool's data storage and graphing functionality. It provides a fast poller, advanced graph templating, multiple data acquisition methods, and user management features out of the box. All of this is wrapped in an intuitive, easy to use interface that makes sense for LAN-sized installations up to complex networks with hundreds of devices. cacti.net |
| 16:31.35 | stew | and we do hundreds of thousands of conversions a day |
| 16:32.11 | up365 | Thanks |
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| 16:32.17 | wols | only thing I can think of that uses mucho CPU in audio is the software synth stuff |
| 16:32.37 | stew | resampling wavs |
| 16:32.53 | stew | which happens under the hood of some of the formats we are producing |
| 16:33.02 | stew | like ma7s |
| 16:33.10 | wols | since that is FFT and such, wouldn't the be SSE again? |
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| 16:33.32 | wols | *that be |
| 16:33.35 | stew | i don't know |
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| 16:34.27 | stew | well my point is that we often will have 100,000 conversions in the queue, so any little speedup is appriciated |
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| 16:39.47 | yggwork | how do i switch it back to eth0 |
| 16:39.47 | yggwork | ? |
| 16:39.51 | stew | yggwork: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 16:39.54 | yggwork | /etc/iftab is empy |
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| 16:44.50 | spat | i have to manage few servers at the same time (remote trough ssh) this means i have multiple windows open and need to specify the file with private key etc. In windows i use putty. i can set different background collors for each server so i don't confuse them and tell what keyfile to use. |
| 16:45.00 | spat | is there something like that for linux? |
| 16:45.40 | idimmu | theres ssh-agent for key management, makes life easy |
| 16:45.43 | barnum | keychain and screen ftw, no colors but... |
| 16:45.50 | wols | spat: there is putty... |
| 16:46.11 | wols | and of course depending on xterm you can set background colors |
| 16:46.15 | barnum | anyone whos using keys and not using keychain should check it out |
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| 16:46.24 | wols | !info putty sid |
| 16:46.57 | spat | nice thanks guys (and perhaps lady's) |
| 16:46.57 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.60-3 (sid), Packaged size: 296 kB, Installed size: 732 kB |
| 16:47.21 | spat | wols lol didn't even know that one |
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| 16:48.53 | spat | wols: well i know i can set a background color in my x terminal but i don't know i can set a diff color for each server (or hostname if thats easier) |
| 16:50.28 | jetscreamer | think he just said there's putty for linux but i dunno |
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| 16:51.09 | jetscreamer | ah i read! |
| 16:51.17 | jetscreamer | scrolled down more |
| 16:51.18 | wols | since the server are fix, you could start the ssh sessions via script and set color there |
| 16:51.22 | spat | jetscreamer: yeah just installed. looks the same like windows (only but ugly since gtk1) |
| 16:52.16 | cslater | spat - seems like you could set up aliases that change environmental variables either before or after logging in to the host |
| 16:52.21 | cslater | not sure if that will work or not... |
| 16:53.14 | grendal_prime | hey guys...i got a uniqe sort of issue.. I have a system that has on linux running on a disk on module, and two satadrives with windows installed on them |
| 16:53.17 | ezguy | hi, where can i find/get a list of available source lists? |
| 16:53.30 | wols | ezguy: does not exist |
| 16:53.30 | ezguy | for sarge |
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| 16:53.43 | grendal_prime | The concept is that the linux os boots and looks for certain things that would indicate if the windows boot ran all the way through last time. This works great fro the most part. |
| 16:54.01 | wols | !tell ezguy about sarge |
| 16:54.06 | grendal_prime | I want to set up grub so that there is a menu list item for each of the hd's. I need to hide the drives from each other depending on the boot. The problem is that if one of the hd's is unpluged/failed, the grub entry fails when it is trying to hide the drive that is no longer available. |
| 16:54.08 | wols | !tell ezguy about mirrors |
| 16:54.24 | wols | grendal_prime: then you installed your OSes wrongly |
| 16:54.38 | wols | grendal_prime: hiding is no solution |
| 16:54.52 | grendal_prime | bummer |
| 16:55.08 | wols | grendal_prime: what makes you think you need to hide? |
| 16:55.10 | spat | wols: i like that option. it should also solve any problem involving not having a profiles thanks! |
| 16:55.16 | stew | ezguy: sarge is no longer supported, you should upgrade to etch: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 16:56.50 | ezguy | i got 4.0 . is sarge or etch? |
| 16:57.26 | jetscreamer | etch |
| 16:57.32 | jetscreamer | sarge is 3 something |
| 16:57.51 | SPF | 3.1 |
| 16:57.56 | ezguy | ok, i got etch |
| 16:58.01 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
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| 16:59.17 | ezguy | in did an apt-get install rythmbox 0.9.6. is there a way to get the lastest 0.10.1? |
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| 16:59.27 | wols | !tell ezguy about backports |
| 16:59.38 | wols | ezguy: or if you are unlucky you need to backport it yourself |
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| 17:00.47 | hans-christianan | hey peeps. trying to install debian etch on a hp proliant dl160 g5. the net installer doesn't seem to recognize my broadcom netxtreme bcm722. when installing ubuntu on it, it uses the tg3 driver fine, but for some reason, selecting that while installing debian doesn't get anywhere? |
| 17:01.08 | ezguy | what is the risk of using backports? |
| 17:01.22 | jetscreamer | it's the etch part, at a guess... ubuntu uses more sid |
| 17:01.55 | jetscreamer | you can put nic drivers on a floppy.. modules/drivers, whatever.... all i know |
| 17:02.43 | jetscreamer | or you might try one of those jmoto? installers |
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| 17:03.22 | jetscreamer | !kmuto |
| 17:03.22 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
| 17:04.01 | jetscreamer | !etchnhalf |
| 17:04.01 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 17:04.18 | jetscreamer | that 'should' work.. not sure |
| 17:05.21 | stew | ezguy: a lack of official support. if you are using packages from bpo, there is no guarantee that bugs including security bugs will be fixed in a timely manner. if you are using a backport you make yourself you are on your own |
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| 17:05.56 | macafe | How I can change password using `passwd` without interactive? |
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| 17:06.12 | stew | macafe: you can't |
| 17:06.41 | themill | macafe: try chpasswd |
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| 17:07.16 | macafe | themill: In freebsd I can do "pw user mod $i -h 0 < /tmp/pass" |
| 17:07.23 | macafe | In debian I don't find it |
| 17:07.42 | themill | macafe: [18:06] <themill> macafe: try chpasswd |
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| 17:08.41 | becker_11 | Hi I want to install 1 package from the lenny repos onto my otherwise totally etch install (laptop) Can I do this without getting a whole pile of other stuff from lenny I don't want |
| 17:08.52 | stew | becker_11: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 17:11.18 | macafe | themill, sorry for my ignorance.. but how I use it? |
| 17:11.38 | wols | macafe: man chpasswd ? |
| 17:11.44 | themill | macafe: man chpasswd tells all. |
| 17:11.53 | cslater | becker_11 you could just pull down the deb and install it with dpkg - will work unless there's a lot of unmet dependencies |
| 17:12.10 | themill | cslater: bad idea |
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| 17:13.03 | cslater | themill - educate me |
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| 17:13.30 | stew | cslater: it would work unless there are 0 unmet dependencies. |
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| 17:13.48 | Sysctl___ | is it me, or is debian having problems with their cd downloading and such |
| 17:13.55 | Sysctl___ | keep ending up at 404 pages |
| 17:14.08 | stew | Sysctl___: the url's are wrong, use 4.0r4a not 4.0r4 |
| 17:14.10 | wols | Sysctl___: you're right. has been like this for a few days |
| 17:14.10 | cslater | stew I assume you mean s/would/wouldn't/ |
| 17:14.13 | Sysctl___ | seems to link to r4, when the only thing avaiable is r4a |
| 17:14.22 | Sysctl___ | AH |
| 17:14.24 | Sysctl___ | hehe |
| 17:14.31 | Sysctl___ | so its not just me |
| 17:14.43 | stew | cslater: yes, i mean for what you said to work there would have to be 0 unmet dependencies |
| 17:14.57 | Sysctl___ | well, so long as repos are fine |
| 17:15.08 | stew | cslater: and in general, mixing stable with testing/unstable is strong discouraged in favor of using a backport |
| 17:15.21 | themill | cslater: even if there are no dependencies missing, you might still have issues with the interfaces of other programs have changed. Sticking a random package from testing to stable like that is a completely untested situation and there may be conflicts that have not been detected and documented in the package's dependencies. |
| 17:15.25 | cslater | stew - agreed - or you'd have to pull down dependencies and hope there were few enough that you didn't get yourself in trouble |
| 17:15.35 | stew | cslater: which you shouldn't do |
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| 17:15.46 | cslater | themill - okay, that makes sense. thanks! |
| 17:16.04 | themill | cslater: for anything other than a simple perl module or a java app, it's unlikely to work well at all. |
| 17:16.18 | themill | cslater: for the more humorous version, /msg dpkg bobbitt |
| 17:17.13 | cslater | themill :) |
| 17:17.14 | stew | its too bad we never came up with something better for post-woody versions |
| 17:17.21 | themill | yeah |
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| 17:18.58 | becker_11 | the package in question is Boinc-manager 6.2.12-1 |
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| 17:20.24 | stew | becker_11: it appears that bpo has that package backported: /msg dpkg bpo |
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| 17:23.06 | becker_11 | thanks stew |
| 17:23.07 | spat | can someone explain how ssh-agent knows what key to use for what hosts? |
| 17:23.21 | spat | or is it an trail and error thing? |
| 17:23.49 | stew | spat: its a trial and error thing. you can run "ssh -v" to see it try and maybe error |
| 17:23.51 | n3kl | anyone ever seen the adisk command shown here? : 'http://bp2.blogger.com/_UqUwVPikChs/SJRHvxXZ_HI/AAAAAAAAErI/yCLDfHg4ycg/s1600-h/FVWM.jpg' |
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| 17:24.08 | spat | stew: ah thanks |
| 17:24.10 | jlilly | Picking out a few servers for web / db running Etch. I'm planning to pick 64 bit (2x quad cores 4gb ram)... didn't know if there is something I should know that would turn me away from 64bit |
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| 17:24.33 | kll | jlilly: you should definitely go 64bit |
| 17:24.38 | jlilly | thought so. |
| 17:24.42 | jlilly | thanks for the validation :-) |
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| 17:27.59 | n3kl | Cacti on lenny for some reason does not display graphy titles, I get an error in apache saying, unable to load. I think it can't find the font, but is the an apache font configuration, or an rrd font configuration or what? |
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| 17:28.42 | xingu | jlilly: memory config looks a little light for that much compute horsepower, I'd take a closer look at both total config size as well as bandwidth |
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| 17:29.55 | jlilly | xingu: I actually was expecting a 2xdual cores, but the person in charge of buying the server "doesn't feel comfortable with AMD" |
| 17:30.44 | xingu | jlilly: you'd be entertained at how much bandwidth a quad-core package can hoover up when all cores are busy working. |
| 17:30.52 | grendal_prime | wolls it had something to do with the second drive (with windows on it) being seen by the first drive..and vice versa and that causeing an application we run on these boxes to error and fail (miserably i might add) |
| 17:31.28 | xingu | jlilly: seems a bit daft to spend that much money and then have it busy-wait on fsb |
| 17:31.47 | jlilly | xingu: well, we're actually saving 50% of previous server costs, but yes. I agree. |
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| 17:32.21 | grendal_prime | we use sun servers... |
| 17:32.21 | pogay | how can I make my devices visible in chroot (I tried mount --bind /proc /mychroot/proc, didn't work). |
| 17:32.28 | grendal_prime | and vmware... |
| 17:32.52 | wols | pogay: did you do this BEFORE running the chroot command? |
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| 17:33.19 | aleksanteri | where's the mysql database located on the debian filesystem? |
| 17:33.25 | pogay | wols: o.k. I try it bevore |
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| 17:34.03 | wols | aleksanteri: /var/lib/mysql/ or thereabouts. definitely /var |
| 17:34.16 | aleksanteri | ah, found it. thanks |
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| 17:37.42 | pogay | wols: it dos'nt seem to make a difference. I wondering where blkid and fdisk -l gets the data |
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| 17:38.09 | wols | pogay: kernel |
| 17:38.16 | wols | pogay: /proc/partitions |
| 17:38.33 | wols | pogay: runt he command and the pastebin the output of "mount" |
| 17:40.03 | pogay | o.k |
| 17:40.48 | n3kl | Anyone know why cacti would fail to display graph titles? |
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| 17:41.50 | OpenToki1 | Whats with the stupid debian overflow? |
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| 17:42.10 | pogay | wols cat /proc/partitions (not what I thaught devices) ist complete, but fdisk -l /blkid -l shows nothing... |
| 17:42.45 | wols | pogay: if there is no /proc accessible fdisk can't get the data |
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| 17:43.02 | felix-da-catz | How do I save my iptables rules permanently? I can't seem to figure it out on Debian |
| 17:43.15 | abrotman | iptables-save ? |
| 17:43.18 | simonrvn | iptables-save ... |
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| 17:43.29 | _ZeuZ_ | felix-da-catz, iptables-save or set a script on startup to reaply them |
| 17:43.39 | felix-da-catz | Cool. Thanks! |
| 17:43.46 | felix-da-catz | iptables-save worked great hopefully. |
| 17:43.47 | abrotman | uh .. he'll still need a script to reapply them |
| 17:44.27 | peppe | use a script in /etc/interfaces/if-up.d/ , afaik there is a skeleton in the iptables / ifupdown doc |
| 17:44.55 | pogay | wols: to my opignon /proc is here, and proc/partitions shows 8 0 78150744 sda, and so on... but... |
| 17:45.27 | wols | pogay: also bind mount /dev |
| 17:45.32 | pogay | wols: may be I have do reallocate the wohl things, I will try later, thanks for help |
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| 17:46.35 | pogay | wols: it's strange, dev seem's to be here to. |
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| 17:49.10 | anddam | can I see a deb package contents without downloading it? |
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| 17:49.24 | dante_2core | anddam |
| 17:49.25 | abrotman | apt-file |
| 17:49.30 | dante_2core | ... too late. |
| 17:49.34 | anddam | :-) |
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| 17:50.03 | anddam | I've installed too bad I don't have it |
| 17:50.19 | abrotman | huh? |
| 17:50.21 | anddam | s/I've installed/I'm installing/ |
| 17:50.29 | abrotman | aptitude install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file list <pkg> |
| 17:50.29 | anddam | I'm upgrading atm so I can't install apt-file |
| 17:50.47 | anddam | can't lock because I'm safe-upgrading |
| 17:50.57 | stew | anddam: /msg dpkg pdo |
| 17:51.09 | anddam | stew: what about? |
| 17:51.12 | anddam | packages.debian.org |
| 17:51.18 | anddam | I mean I know about pdo |
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| 17:51.52 | wols | anddam: you can look there. all the info od apt-file is there |
| 17:52.05 | anddam | stew: oh you're right, I just got it |
| 17:52.41 | anddam | here's the real thing: I've installed nvidia-glx-legacy but Xorg complaints about "nvidia" driver not being present |
| 17:52.58 | anddam | I noticed all drivers in /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers are .so while nvidia driver installed with the package is .o |
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| 17:53.11 | anddam | I wonder if this is a bug so I wanted to check other packages |
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| 17:55.47 | cslater | anddam - you could pull down the deb to /tmp with wget or web browser and then use dpkg --contents on the deb |
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| 17:56.13 | n3kl | Has anyone ever seen this command: http://fek.homelinux.net/pub/files/adisk.jpg |
| 17:56.33 | abrotman | n3kl: what about it ? |
| 17:56.40 | n3kl | Where can I get it? |
| 17:56.47 | stew | anddam: read the pacakge description of nvidia-glx-legacy |
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| 17:57.12 | abrotman | n3kl: google 'adisk' ? |
| 17:57.36 | n3kl | abrotman: I have |
| 17:57.45 | cslater | anddam - actually, if the deb is installed and/or installing it should be in /var/cache/apt/archives |
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| 17:58.44 | abrotman | n3kl: so the regular df -h isn't good enough? :) |
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| 17:59.14 | n3kl | abrotman: I like the >>> telling you have full it is. No real reason I guess |
| 17:59.27 | abrotman | tried searching the gentoo website ? |
| 17:59.40 | themill | n3kl: that would be too depressing a sight for me. |
| 17:59.51 | n3kl | themill: you full? |
| 18:00.09 | abrotman | hates the gentoo website |
| 18:00.25 | themill | n3kl: every disk I ever own always sits at 95%. I just bought a new 750GB baby the other day and it's not full yet... :) |
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| 18:00.40 | n3kl | Meh, maybe its homebrew |
| 18:00.46 | n3kl | abrotman: you use gentoo? |
| 18:00.53 | abrotman | not intentionally |
| 18:01.33 | n3kl | ok |
| 18:01.39 | n3kl | I won't hold it against you =] |
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| 18:02.36 | abrotman | n3kl: i have a shell on a friend's gentoo box |
| 18:02.48 | n3kl | Ah |
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| 18:03.16 | n3kl | Gentoo has a couple perks, but they are all just ripped off of freebsd |
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| 18:03.39 | abrotman | n3kl: i can't find the equivalent of apt-file .. but emerge search yields nothing |
| 18:03.43 | _ZeuZ_ | n3kl, ?? |
| 18:03.52 | abrotman | n3kl: ask #gentoo if they recognize it |
| 18:04.00 | _ZeuZ_ | n3kl, has no relation at all, starting from the core to the port system |
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| 18:04.38 | _ZeuZ_ | n3kl, also, the USE flags that distinguish Gentoo, are not present in not even a similar way on fBSD |
| 18:04.48 | n3kl | _ZeuZ_: the ports system is a redesign, but the concept is that of fbsd |
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| 18:04.58 | xingu | themill: I assume you mean 95% iowait ;) |
| 18:05.14 | _ZeuZ_ | n3kl, not even the same. |
| 18:05.16 | stew | n3kl: _ZeuZ_: please take the gentoo discussion to #gentoo |
| 18:05.25 | abrotman | n3kl: anyways .. ask #gentoo if they recognize it .. then ask us if we have the same package |
| 18:05.35 | n3kl | will do |
| 18:05.38 | _ZeuZ_ | stew, Ok, actually it wasnt even about fBSD or Gentoo, it was just me nerking of a bad compairsion xD |
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| 18:05.42 | _ZeuZ_ | Goes away. |
| 18:05.57 | stew | it wan't about gentoo? i must have misread. |
| 18:06.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:06.09 | rdz | hi all. can i have hardlinks over partition boundaries? |
| 18:06.15 | stew | rdz: no |
| 18:06.17 | dusty__ | Hey guys, I have just got a virtual system. I first decided to setup iptables: http://rafb.net/p/O7sc4f15.html I installed the package, created a script, and issues iptables-restore < /etc/iptables.test.rules it then errors at line 42 but line 42 is the COMMIT line in the paste, I have no idea what is wrong, the script is fine, perhaps im missing some other application, i am lost everything is explained |
| 18:06.22 | dusty__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.23 | _ZeuZ_ | stew, he compared it to freeBSD saying Gentoo is just a ripoff from fBSD |
| 18:06.28 | rdz | stew, thanks. kind of makes sense |
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| 18:06.52 | xingu | rdz: sure; span the partitions into a single logical volume then build a filesystem on it |
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| 18:07.07 | stew | _ZeuZ_: right, and discussion about gentoo should be in #gentoo |
| 18:07.25 | rdz | xingu, but this would only work, if i would wipe the disk first in order to build the single logical volume, right? |
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| 18:08.51 | rdz | xingu, my problem is: how can i create a single logical volume without exporting all data to another disk? (actually i have two disks of the same size and one is empty yet) |
| 18:08.56 | n3kl | rdz: you can only have hard links within the same filesystem |
| 18:08.58 | n3kl | iirc |
| 18:09.07 | rdz | n3kl, yeah, exactly.. thanks |
| 18:09.17 | Multiply | `nice urls |
| 18:09.22 | Multiply | Oops |
| 18:09.29 | rdz | n3kl, xingu proposed to make them the same file system |
| 18:09.37 | xingu | rdz: unionfs? |
| 18:09.41 | n3kl | rdz: then do that |
| 18:10.01 | rdz | xingu, i don't know it yet. i 'll have to checkt that out. thanks for the hint |
| 18:10.50 | n3kl | xingu: just curious, what would unionfs have to do with it? |
| 18:11.32 | rdz | xingu, how can make my two ext3 partitions an unionfs without destroying all my data? |
| 18:11.36 | rdz | *i |
| 18:11.54 | xingu | n3kl: mount the empty volume on top of the full one as a union mount; it won't sum the space (you won't wind up with a larger volume as a result) but you will be able to create the desired hard link |
| 18:12.49 | n3kl | xingu: Hmm |
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| 18:15.34 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:15.38 | anddam | what about exactly? |
| 18:16.03 | stew | anddam: about building the nvidia driver |
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| 18:17.53 | karsten | Um, how do I prevent a package from being installed? xscreensaver-gl, xscreensaver-gl-extra, xscreensaver-data, and xscreensaver-data-extra want to be installed, the gl screensavers crash my system. |
| 18:18.13 | wols | anddam: the "nvidia" driver is probably the appropriate kernel module. the X driver refuses to load unless that one is loaded too in krenel |
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| 18:20.33 | Monkey_arma | Installing 3rd party libraries into '/usr/local' does not seem to work (I have to install them with prefix '/usr'). I seem to have "/usr/local/lib" in '/etc/ld.so.conf'. Someone told me that "Debian does not want user-installed libraries on the system". Is this true or do I need to alter something else? |
| 18:20.36 | n3kl | Without recoding a bunch of stuff, anyone know how to use the iptables logs to setup blocks from certain ips? |
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| 18:22.27 | itchi | Hi, i installed dhcp3-server, configured this and this is working (near) expected. The only glitch is that i can't ping the PC on hostname. I may have a little DNS glitch. On the server, i fill in the /etc/hosts file manually. How can i get this DNS working for clients who got an ip of a DHCP server? |
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| 18:23.03 | stew | n3kl: what do you mean? |
| 18:23.10 | wols | itchi: I'd use dnsmasq |
| 18:23.22 | screamingbytes | does anyone know if bootsplash works with 2.6.18-6-686 kernel? |
| 18:23.23 | stew | Monkey_arma: be more specific than "does not seem to work" |
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| 18:23.34 | itchi | wols: Well, that's installed on the server |
| 18:23.37 | wols | stew: a dhcp server sometimes makes DNS aware of the name of the IP/name it handed out if the dhcp client gave it a machine name |
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| 18:23.50 | wols | itchi: then use it. dnsmasq is a dhcp server |
| 18:23.51 | stew | wols: hi! |
| 18:24.04 | wols | hi stew. nice to meet you |
| 18:24.10 | tvynr | Hello, all. I have a Dell Inspiron 1720 I just bought, customized for the purpose of being Linux friendly. Everything seems to be working well except hibernation (which is kind of important). Whenever I boot back up from hibernation, the machine gets as far as changing to graphical display and then seizes up. I get a black screen and it doesn't respond to SSH or ping. I'm using the nv driver; any ideas what could be sour? |
| 18:24.15 | liable | Monkey_arma: try LD_PRELOAD |
| 18:24.16 | stew | wols: did you mean that for me? |
| 18:24.20 | wols | stew: yes |
| 18:24.22 | n3kl | stew: fail2ban, for example, will setup iptables rules to drop packets from a given IP, for a specific service based upon how many failed logins and such. I am wondering if there is a way to do this for the IP in general depending on how many events are seen in the logs for a specific IP address. |
| 18:24.25 | itchi | wols: hmmm, does me remember now that i disabled this in the past. Thanks! checking this |
| 18:24.41 | wols | n3kl: sorry, I'm a moron as you already know. ASSumed it was for itchi |
| 18:24.50 | acidslep | wols, im the moron |
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| 18:24.57 | wols | stew: I promise to learn to read. one day |
| 18:25.10 | acidslep | remember? |
| 18:25.11 | Lassiethebrave | So, trying to use a serial console I get the following error in my dmesg:[ 9485.916047] serial8250: too much work for irq23 ;repeated about exactly 607 times... and my serial console is very blank... :( |
| 18:25.14 | n3kl | wols: ? |
| 18:25.25 | stew | don't cross the streams! |
| 18:25.49 | wols | stew: but it would end all my reading problems! win-win! |
| 18:25.50 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: what speed are you communicating with? |
| 18:25.52 | n3kl | "about exactly", I love it |
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| 18:26.17 | xingu | karsten: equivs' it. |
| 18:26.18 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes : 9600 |
| 18:26.18 | Monkey_arma | stew, if i install 3rd party libraries in /usr/local they are not found by the 'configure' scripts of 3rd party applications that I install. |
| 18:26.29 | xingu | karsten: then put your faux package on hold |
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| 18:26.38 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes : (it's a sparcstation...) |
| 18:26.49 | helo | what is the best way to install a newer kernel in etch? |
| 18:27.20 | Sling | apt-get install dist-upgrade |
| 18:27.27 | Sling | uhm -install |
| 18:27.33 | tvynr | helo: I'd go with etch-backports |
| 18:27.39 | wols | helo: depends on the kernel |
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| 18:27.50 | wols | helo: but aptitude features prominently |
| 18:27.52 | helo | 2.6.newer_than_18 ;) |
| 18:28.04 | liable | etchnahalf? |
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| 18:28.11 | wols | helo: use etchnhalf kernel (2.6.24 is there) |
| 18:28.11 | Monkey_arma | liable so I can put '/usr/local/lib' in LD_PRELOAD environment variable or each library must go in there? |
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| 18:28.28 | wols | helo: what do you need the new kernel for exactly? |
| 18:28.53 | liable | Monkey_arma: i thought you were trying to run something, if you are building stuff, it should find it or you can tell the configure script where to look. |
| 18:29.25 | wols | Monkey_arma: if it's configure that errors it doesn't look for a library but header file(s) |
| 18:29.34 | wols | Monkey_arma: which are in the appropriate -dev package |
| 18:29.41 | wols | !tell Monkey_arma about errors |
| 18:29.42 | Monkey_arma | I tried telling the configure script where to look but it didnt work (maybe it was not implemented). |
| 18:29.53 | helo | i'm trying to load a 3rd party module that worked on my testing machine, but i'm getting "kobject_add failed for ttyp0 with -EEXIST, don't try to register things with the same name in the same directory." and a stack trace in dmesg |
| 18:29.55 | wols | Monkey_arma: pastebin the configure output |
| 18:29.59 | stew | Monkey_arma: how did you tell the configure script where to look? |
| 18:30.16 | wols | helo: what module? |
| 18:30.18 | stew | Monkey_arma: LD_PRELOAD is something else, ignore it |
| 18:30.39 | wols | helo: ie how did you come by the module? did you compile it yourself? |
| 18:31.02 | helo | the 'ptyx' module... it is a module from trueport, offerred by a serial-to-ethernet device maker (perle) as source that i compiled |
| 18:31.13 | anddam | stew: but I installed nvidia-kernel-legacy package accordingly to my kernel image |
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| 18:31.24 | anddam | wols: and I loaded nvidia kernel module |
| 18:31.28 | wols | adama: lsmod |grep nvidia |
| 18:31.38 | stew | anddam: how did you load the nvidia kernel module? |
| 18:31.39 | wols | anddam: also, modinfo nvidia |
| 18:31.41 | anddam | nvidia 3928972 0 |
| 18:31.41 | anddam | agpgart 29896 2 nvidia,via_agp |
| 18:31.57 | stew | anddam: how did you install the nvidia kernel module? |
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| 18:32.39 | anddam | aptitude install nvidia-kernel-legacy-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 18:33.08 | anddam | I installed 2.6.18-6 linux-image exactly for this reason |
| 18:33.30 | Monkey_arma | stew, wols: I'm not on debian at the moment but I will look into it and come back with exact errors and the commands I type. However, are you saying that it should find them if I have "/usr/local/lib" in '/etc/ld.so.conf'? |
| 18:33.33 | anddam | btw m-a gives an error when building the module with 2.6.25 |
| 18:33.49 | liable | not for building |
| 18:34.09 | Monkey_arma | stew, wols: Everything is fine if i do "./configure --prefix=/usr" |
| 18:34.15 | anddam | liable: who? |
| 18:34.30 | wols | Monkey_arma: yes. configure generally errors when you lack the needed .h files. that is FAR more common |
| 18:34.31 | liable | anddam: not you :) |
| 18:35.00 | anddam | when will super cow powers be built into aptitude? |
| 18:35.03 | wols | Monkey_arma: but it'd be nice to see the configure output and maybe even its log/cache |
| 18:35.04 | stew | Monkey_arma: --prefix is where you are going to put resulting binaries, not where to look for libraries |
| 18:35.31 | stew | Monkey_arma: no, you should not expect the configure script to look in /etc/ld.so.conf, that is for runtime linking not compile time linking |
| 18:35.38 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: I have found threads from sun on this issue but no resolutions other than kernel problems which were resolved in newer kernels |
| 18:36.05 | rdz | how can i check, whether a certain networking card is supported by linux? |
| 18:36.17 | stew | anddam: id guess that the version of nvidia-glx you are installing requires a newer version of nvidia-kernel |
| 18:36.28 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: are you talking SunOS or debian here? |
| 18:36.31 | Monkey_arma | stew, wols: I mean when I compile the libraries I use do "./configure --prefix=/usr". Then when I compile the apps to use those libraries I dont put the "--prefix=/usr" of course. |
| 18:36.35 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: increasing the baud to 15k will provide fewer errors which shows its the serial interrupt isn't handling the data being thrown at it |
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| 18:37.00 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: Sun forums ppl using Linux |
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| 18:37.22 | tvynr | Looks like turning on a dummy X server fixed it. |
| 18:37.27 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: apparently a few ppl tried Linux when they had issues in SunOS as a quick test |
| 18:38.08 | stew | Monkey_arma: what do you put when you compile the apps to use those libraries? |
| 18:38.12 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: dang... i guess I'm going to have to get a monitor & keyboard for this one then... |
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| 18:38.24 | stew | Monkey_arma: and what are these libraries? is there some reason you can't use a debian package instead? |
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| 18:39.59 | becker_11 | Is it possible using Gnome under Etch to get a right click menu similar to the one you can script in something like FVWM?? |
| 18:40.22 | Monkey_arma | stew: These tend to be newer versions than Debian offers. In fact, often even Debian Unstable can be too old for some packages. |
| 18:40.26 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: do you have any other devices using IRQ23? |
| 18:40.29 | itchi | wols: I re-enabled dsnmasq, i get the ip of that dhcp server but i still don't get a ping reply on the hostname |
| 18:40.42 | n3kl | becker_11: that sounds like a gnome function rather than an etch limitation |
| 18:40.56 | stew | Monkey_arma: which package is too old in unstable? |
| 18:41.12 | Monkey_arma | stew for example, Armagetron Advanced. |
| 18:41.19 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: err, I really don't know would dmesg |grep irq23 give the answer? |
| 18:41.22 | stew | Monkey_arma: what package is that? |
| 18:41.26 | karsten | tvynr: How are you hibernating? |
| 18:41.49 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: it should |
| 18:42.04 | karsten | xingu: Hrm... |
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| 18:42.20 | karsten | anddam: aptitude has no easter eggs. |
| 18:42.30 | tvynr | karsten: I'm using Suspend2 and the hibernate script. The script is invoked by a script I wrote called "khibernate" which simply uses kdialog as a confirm. That calls "hibernate", which is a link to a script named "auto-sudo" that executes "sudo hibernate". I rather doubt any of that is messy as it worked fine on a different laptop. |
| 18:42.32 | karsten | anddam: It has an elephant, however. |
| 18:42.48 | becker_11 | yeah n3kl it's Gnome related I just mentioned Etch so people knew what version I'm using |
| 18:42.53 | tvynr | karsten: But it seems that the problem is fixed by using the DummyXServer option in the /etc/hibernate/*.conf |
| 18:42.57 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: nope still only the same errors there (all 607...) |
| 18:43.10 | tvynr | karsten: I simply pointed it at the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and it figured out the rest. |
| 18:43.13 | n3kl | becker_11: fair enough. I don't use gnome or I would *attemtpt* to help |
| 18:43.24 | Monkey_arma | stew: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/games/armagetron. That is a very old version. It is missing some crucial features. How that is in unstable I do not know. |
| 18:43.25 | karsten | rdz: In general, 'lspci' should show the card identifier. Your first tack of action is to see if It Just Works. If not, google the ientifier string and see if anyone's reported success or failure with it. What card? |
| 18:43.33 | becker_11 | n3kl: no prob |
| 18:43.43 | stew | Monkey_arma: that package doesn't ahve any shared libraries |
| 18:43.48 | n3kl | Monkey_arma: whats wrong with ./configure && make && make install |
| 18:43.53 | stew | Monkey_arma: what version of armagetron do need? |
| 18:44.12 | Monkey_arma | stew 0.2.8_alpha or 0.3_alpha |
| 18:44.34 | karsten | tvynr: I'm using s2ram and/or s2disk, which seems to work better, I think that that's a different package, one sec... |
| 18:44.57 | stew | Monkey_arma: the version in unstable is newer than 0.2.8_alpha, and the version in experimental is newer than 0.3_alpha |
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| 18:45.08 | Monkey_arma | stew lol no |
| 18:45.18 | stew | !info armagetron unstable |
| 18:45.20 | dpkg | armagetron: (Dummy upgrade package for Armagetron), section games, is optional. Version: 0.2.8.2.1-10 (sid), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 52 kB |
| 18:45.43 | stew | Monkey_arma: you are saying that 0.2.8.2 is older than 0.2.8_alpha? |
| 18:45.47 | Monkey_arma | stew I use bzr to download the latest alphas |
| 18:45.56 | Monkey_arma | so mine are upto date by days |
| 18:45.58 | tvynr | karsten: It looks like those are in the uswsusp package and hibernate is in the hibernate package. |
| 18:45.59 | Monkey_arma | if not hours |
| 18:46.21 | stew | Monkey_arma: and this is what you are installing to /usr/local/lib? the debian packages don't seem to contain any shared libraries |
| 18:46.25 | Monkey_arma | stew: armagetronad-0.2.8_alpha2008080 |
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| 18:46.34 | Monkey_arma | stew IIRC zthread was an issue |
| 18:46.35 | karsten | tvynr: I'd strongly recommend uswsusp. I believe it works better in general. |
| 18:46.54 | Monkey_arma | stew: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18608&sid=62b328f432d8efa2051d1291bfddbcb6 |
| 18:47.12 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: Lassiethebrave: try ls -a /proc/irq/23 |
| 18:47.13 | tvynr | karsten: Thanks. If I have any problems, I'll take that as my next step. At the moment, the DummyXServer option of hibernate seems to have done the trick. |
| 18:47.35 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: how many folders do you have in there? |
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| 18:47.51 | Monkey_arma | stew that has the errors you want |
| 18:47.58 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: one.. ehci_hcd:usb5 |
| 18:47.59 | stew | Monkey_arma: what library was too old in debian unstable that you are installing to /usr/local/lib instead? |
| 18:48.17 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: ok and do you have anything hooked up to your usb? |
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| 18:48.39 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: nope... |
| 18:48.44 | Monkey_arma | stew z-thread |
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| 18:48.47 | macafe | Anyone has one example of trigger in MySQL to execute one Shell Script? |
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| 18:48.58 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: anything going through your usb is fighting for time with your serial port |
| 18:49.01 | stew | !+info z-thread unstable |
| 18:49.02 | dpkg | Package 'z-thread' does not exist. |
| 18:49.02 | mancubus | Hi ppl. |
| 18:49.08 | Monkey_arma | .. |
| 18:49.10 | stew | Monkey_arma: what is the package name? |
| 18:49.33 | anddam | stew: so it'd be better to build the modules |
| 18:49.33 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: heh forgot about my external HD thats usb... |
| 18:49.44 | Lassiethebrave | *that's |
| 18:49.47 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: id try a port that is in /proc/irq/ that has no folders in it, that should be an empty irq |
| 18:49.48 | Monkey_arma | stew http://zthread.sourceforge.net/index.html |
| 18:49.51 | stew | Monkey_arma: that thread is not saying anything about software which is too old. it is talking about software being compiled with undesirable options, which could be corrected and still use the debian pacakges |
| 18:50.04 | itchi | Hi, i installed dhcp3-server (also tested with dnsmasq), configured this and this is working (near) expected. The only glitch is that i can't ping the PC on hostname. I may have a little DNS glitch. On the server, i fill in the /etc/hosts file manually. How can i get this DNS working for clients who got an ip of a DHCP server? |
| 18:50.13 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: then try switching the serial port |
| 18:50.22 | anddam | stew: but m-a build is failing, I'll have a try at solving it, so I'm going to switch to 2.6.25 |
| 18:50.23 | rdz | karsten, thanks for the hint. the problem is that i have a bunch of network cards lying around here and i would like to keep only those that work under linux. it would be cool, if could check that without having to insert the card. |
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| 18:50.44 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: is that possible remotely on the Sparc? |
| 18:50.45 | Spec | is 32768 still the max number of files you can have on a unix system? what's the limiting factor? |
| 18:50.45 | Monkey_arma | stew, zthread is not in Debian |
| 18:50.56 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: thats the one without a monitor right? |
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| 18:51.02 | tvynr | anddam: You talking about the nVidia stuff? I personally found that m-a a-i nvidia is broken in Lenny; I had to use the NVidia installer. |
| 18:51.04 | rdz | karsten, it's a Longshire LCS 8034TB |
| 18:51.33 | stew | Monkey_arma: ok, i was asking becuase you said that the reason that you were installing libraries to /usr/local/lib was that the libraries in debian were too old |
| 18:51.57 | Monkey_arma | well certainly that is an issue sometimes but in this case its even worse (it does not exist at all) |
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| 18:52.05 | mancubus | What dist is name of unstable and stable Debain? |
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| 18:52.28 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: and if your ever forced to buy a monitor for the Sparc, buy the adapter off of Ebay for $5.00 that adapts it to a normal monitor so you can buy a cheapy monitor. |
| 18:52.30 | tralalaptop | is there a way to build only a specific package from a multipackage source? |
| 18:52.31 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: the sparc is set too throw all output to ttya from boot wich is hard to change without monitor/keyboard... |
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| 18:52.49 | stew | mancubus: unstable is named "sid" and stable is currently named "etch" |
| 18:53.04 | mancubus | stew, thnx! |
| 18:53.11 | manu_hack | what will probably be the default kernel for lenny? 2.6.24? |
| 18:53.17 | stew | mancubus: de |
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| 18:53.18 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: yeah that's my second plan... |
| 18:53.19 | stew | err |
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| 18:53.28 | stew | manu_hack: definately not 2.6.24, probably 2.6.26 or later |
| 18:53.39 | manu_hack | stew: that's great |
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| 18:53.52 | Monkey_arma | mancubus unstable is always called 'sid' but stable changes name with each new release. |
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| 18:54.16 | lrp | hello people |
| 18:54.16 | manu_hack | when lenny is released, etch is called old-stable? |
| 18:54.27 | liable | yes |
| 18:54.41 | manu_hack | then how about sarge? |
| 18:55.01 | OBcecado | unsupported |
| 18:55.03 | liable | its old old stable, and not supported |
| 18:55.06 | karsten | tralalaptop: OK |
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| 18:55.16 | lrp | im having the follow trouble ----- i am trying to install a HP-PROLIANT-DL300-G5 and when i finish the installation iniit level said , INIT no more processes left in this runlevel |
| 18:55.29 | liable | manu_hack: sarge no longer gets security now |
| 18:55.30 | lrp | what i have to do to fix that ? |
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| 18:55.53 | karsten | rdz: If you've got the card visible, I'd try googling some markings on it, plus keywords "linux" and "nic". |
| 18:55.54 | lrp | or do i have to install some driver to hp-proliant server ? |
| 18:56.06 | karsten | rdz: If someone's got it working, you should find it. Otherwise, plug 'em in and test 'em. |
| 18:56.14 | karsten | rdz: How old are thse cards BTW? |
| 18:56.25 | bolt | Is there a way I can change how ls and similar programs sort filenames? I want files starting with exclamation marks to show on top (windows-like) and "Song I - test.mp3" to show above "Song II - test.mp3". Basically windows-like sorting. |
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| 18:57.14 | mark_ | Does anyone know of a web based bandwidth monitoring software that lets you see traffic per protocol/port? |
| 18:57.17 | karsten | rdz: And I suspect that that's "Longshine", not "Longshire". It's a 10 Mbps PCMCIA card? Junk it. |
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| 18:57.32 | karsten | rdz: 100/1000 is pretty much the norm these days, 10 MBPS is dog slow. |
| 18:58.00 | psycodad_ | mark_: maybe ntop, but not sure off the top of my head |
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| 18:58.43 | mark_ | psycodad_, I'll have a look at that, thanks |
| 18:58.52 | itchi | Well, maybe a easier question... Does anyone use a DHCP server? :-p |
| 18:59.01 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: is there a college near you? they may have a comp dept that might contain Sparc's, they may let you use the monitor / keyboard |
| 18:59.17 | tralalaptop | mark_, darkstat is web based. I don't think it supports that many details out of the box but maybe it can be tuned |
| 18:59.27 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: and if your lucky they may give you one out of their junk pile |
| 18:59.39 | karsten | rdz: http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ciao.de%2FErfahrungsberichte%2FLongshire_LCS_8034TB_Realtek_10MBit_PCI__129146&sl=de&tl=en&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 suggests support under SuSE 6.4. |
| 18:59.46 | mark_ | tralalaptop, Thanks, i'll look into it |
| 19:00.00 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: that's where i found the sparcstation... |
| 19:00.08 | karsten | rdz: What's key is finding out that it's based on the Realtek 8029 chipset, which should be supported, if that's the case. |
| 19:00.24 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: ahh well there you go :) |
| 19:00.31 | Lassiethebrave | heh |
| 19:00.41 | anddam | tvynr: ah the infamous installer from nvidia.com ? |
| 19:00.45 | cslater | lrp - I think it's just rebooting. Try power cycling |
| 19:00.45 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: do you know the comp dept ppl? |
| 19:00.48 | bolt | When I do something like "sleep 60 &", I can find the process I spawned just fine with "ps auxf". However, when I do something like that in my /etc/rc.local, I can't find the process in the list. Why? |
| 19:01.09 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: take it back and say the serial port doesn't work and you need to figure out why :) |
| 19:01.10 | Monkey_arma | stew so is there any file people can add a library search path to so that debian will search for it? |
| 19:01.17 | lrp | [cslater] power cycling? what is that ? |
| 19:01.32 | Lassiethebrave | screamingbytes: more like i know wich container they put the exiting things in... |
| 19:01.32 | cslater | lrp - turn it off and turn it back on |
| 19:01.45 | dondelelcaro | Monkey_arma: yes, but in general you shouldn't need to. |
| 19:01.51 | screamingbytes | Lassiethebrave: lol |
| 19:01.52 | stew | Monkey_arma: you would add directories to the library search path in ld.so.conf, you can put the libraries in /usr/local/lib as you are doing already |
| 19:01.59 | tvynr | anddam: That very one. |
| 19:02.05 | cslater | itchi - do you have a dhcp question? |
| 19:02.09 | anddam | tvynr: what kernel? |
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| 19:02.13 | Monkey_arma | well we do that but it does not work (see on the link for details) |
| 19:02.16 | tvynr | anddam: In Lenny, you have to prefix calling it with "CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.1" to get it to compile. |
| 19:02.19 | stew | Monkey_arma: but as we have said, the library search path is for runtime linking not compile time linking |
| 19:02.20 | tvynr | anddam: I'm using 2.6.25-2 |
| 19:02.33 | screamingbytes | Anyone use bootsplash and prefer it over usplash? |
| 19:02.38 | tvynr | anddam: My video card is a GeForce 7100GS, so it's the GeForce 6/7/8 sorta driver. |
| 19:02.40 | stew | Monkey_arma: you never showed us what command you were running and the output |
| 19:02.55 | itchi | cslater: Yes, i configured dhcp3-server, client get's his ip but from another client i don't get a ping reply on hostname. Only ping to the ip does work |
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| 19:03.00 | anddam | I'm installing 2.6.25-2 too |
| 19:03.07 | Monkey_arma | stew it's all on that link |
| 19:03.16 | anddam | what else should I install? linux-headers-x-xx or linux-kbuild-x-xx ? |
| 19:03.20 | tvynr | anddam: Yeah. I'm not sure what's wrong with the m-a a-i nvidia script but I had no luck with it. |
| 19:03.25 | psycodad_ | itchi: fix your hosts file or dns, i guess that is no dhcp problem. |
| 19:03.28 | cslater | itchi - you need a dns server it sounds like |
| 19:03.39 | tvynr | anddam: To prepare for that sort of thing, I just install "module-assistant" and do "m-a prepare" |
| 19:03.44 | tvynr | anddam: It fetches most everything you need. |
| 19:03.44 | Monkey_arma | stew: I did exactly like that hoop guy and since he and other debian users too have that issue I thought I would see if we can resolve it somehow. |
| 19:03.56 | anddam | tvynr: btw I was wondering about buying some new hw and a nvidia card, from what I read the 8xxx serie is broken, do you know anything specific? |
| 19:04.05 | stew | Monkey_arma: what command did you run? |
| 19:04.08 | anddam | tvynr: how's 7100 ? |
| 19:04.28 | itchi | Well, what do you recommend as DNS server (out of bind who's to hard :-p). This is just for *basic* local lan usage. |
| 19:04.37 | Monkey_arma | stew for zthread, the same as on that link, CXXFLAGS=-fpermissive ./configure |
| 19:04.43 | tvynr | anddam: Nope. I stick to lightweight fanless video cards myself. The 7100GS is a dinky little 64-bit video card I got for $40 off of Newegg. Runs like a dream, doesn't pull much power, and doesn't produce much heat (as evidenced by the lack of a fan, which keeps it quiet). |
| 19:04.47 | anddam | tvynr: I only play WolfET and Tremulous, and I play them quite seldom |
| 19:04.55 | stew | Monkey_arma: and what was the error? |
| 19:05.01 | tvynr | anddam: It's definitely not for hardcore 3D gaming, but you can play CounterStrike on it. |
| 19:05.19 | tvynr | anddam: And at $40-$60 from eVGA (a good manufacturer, IMHO) you can't really beat the value ratio. :) |
| 19:05.20 | anddam | tvynr: sounds right, I saw a 8500gs that is fanless |
| 19:05.22 | screamingbytes | bbiab |
| 19:05.33 | anddam | tvynr: I'm in EU tho' |
| 19:05.44 | tvynr | anddam: Some of the GS series have little tiny fans and they're alright too, but I like to keep myself as fanless and lightweight as possible. |
| 19:05.46 | cslater | itchi - you can just keep /etc/hosts files up to date by hand - easy but manual. |
| 19:05.48 | n3kl | tvynr: what are you talking about? |
| 19:06.01 | n3kl | tvynr: link me! |
| 19:06.08 | tvynr | n3kl: The nVidia GeForce 7100GS card in my box. The conversation started as an nVidia drivers thing. |
| 19:06.13 | tvynr | n3kl: One sec. |
| 19:06.20 | n3kl | Ah |
| 19:06.21 | anddam | tvynr: actually I wondered about a tiny 6200 integrated system but from what I've seen its performances is horrible, at least |
| 19:06.23 | itchi | cslater: Well, i don't know how i would do this for dynamic ip's |
| 19:06.27 | tvynr | n3kl, anddam: Word of warning: fog and the like slow it up quite a bit. :) |
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| 19:06.45 | itchi | cslater: Still now, i always used /etc/hosts for the few 20 PC's |
| 19:06.48 | n3kl | I have been looking into a fanless systems for a while, but I can't seem to find one that is small and has good linux support for the graphics drivers |
| 19:06.49 | tvynr | anddam: There's a huge performance shift between 6xxx and 7xxx. But again, I ask 60fps out of CounterStrike, not much more than that. :) |
| 19:06.50 | Monkey_arma | stew none for zthread. The error was that Armagetron's configure script can't find it if it is installed in /usr/local. Read this single post: http://forums.armagetronad.net/viewtopic.php?t=18608&sid=#198329 |
| 19:07.03 | anddam | tvynr: usually you can disable them in games prefs |
| 19:07.17 | tvynr | anddam: I found that Tremulous ran acceptably on my machine. |
| 19:07.18 | Monkey_arma | Btw other distros do not have that problem. |
| 19:07.37 | stew | Monkey_arma: show us the actual command you typed and the actual output, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:07.54 | cslater | itchi - just google dynamic dns - looks like there's some decent tutorials out there |
| 19:08.12 | tvynr | anddam, n3kl: Hey, what do ya know? My favorite video card got cheaper. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130070 $30 US |
| 19:08.16 | Monkey_arma | Im on slackware now. I uninstalled debian except for config files (I will reinstall it at some point). |
| 19:08.16 | itchi | cslater: You talk about dyndns, no-ip.com ? |
| 19:08.36 | cslater | itchi - hrm - just noticed that's what's coming up. don't think that's what you want |
| 19:08.40 | n3kl | tvynr: Nice |
| 19:08.43 | stew | Monkey_arma: please go to #slackware for help with slackware |
| 19:09.02 | Monkey_arma | stew it works fine on slack that is the point |
| 19:09.08 | n3kl | tvynr: I have been wanting to build alittle fanless/quiet media box to put next to the tv, that video card might just help =] |
| 19:09.25 | itchi | cslater: Anyway, i got the confirmation that i got a DNS issue, that what i thought soo. Well, i will learn basic bind then |
| 19:09.25 | n3kl | Monkey_arma: nobody cares |
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| 19:10.04 | Monkey_arma | stew its only debian that the armagetron ./configure cant find zthread when its in /usr/local |
| 19:10.06 | cslater | itchi - sounds good |
| 19:10.21 | tvynr | n3kl: Good to hear. If you don't need any 3D, the card works nicely under the open-source nv driver. No 3D accel tho. |
| 19:10.29 | Monkey_arma | n3kl you should do, if an app or game works on all but debian |
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| 19:11.00 | anddam | tvynr: the smallest I can find here is 7200gs |
| 19:11.03 | n3kl | Monkey_arma: perhaps if you understood wtf you were doing, you wouldn't have this problem |
| 19:11.06 | stew | Monkey_arma: if you aren't running debian, please stop wasting our time |
| 19:11.09 | Monkey_arma | if it was for all linux's i would go to #linux. I just want a message to give all debian users of the game. |
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| 19:11.16 | anddam | tvynr: know what I like from newegg? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165041&Tpk=istarusa |
| 19:11.17 | zinx | just uses the nVidia drivers in non-free/x11 |
| 19:11.19 | tvynr | anddam: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Property&Subcategory=48&Description=&Type=&N=2010380048+50001402&srchInDesc=&MinPrice=&MaxPrice=&Manufactory=1402&PropertyCodeValue=696%3A9641&PropertyCodeValue=696%3A33099&PropertyCodeValue=3055%3A20548&PropertyCodeValue=2953%3A18921 |
| 19:11.26 | tvynr | Sorry about the flood-ey link. |
| 19:11.27 | wols | tyler: ##hardware |
| 19:11.36 | wols | you should be sorry about being OT |
| 19:11.39 | encryptz | question about the debian installer: can i install a debian system by pointing it to an .iso image on an external drive or partition? |
| 19:12.01 | Monkey_arma | n3kl I undertand what I am doing fine thanks...thats why it works for me. |
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| 19:12.06 | tvynr | wols: Drifted OT. I'm linking hardware which I think would be comfy to use in Debian. |
| 19:12.08 | encryptz | of course, i can install from cd, nfs, http or ftp. curious about .iso images though |
| 19:12.31 | wols | encryptz: hd-media install |
| 19:12.55 | n3kl | stew: dood, that guy heckeled you for like 30min |
| 19:13.45 | encryptz | wols: cool. thx |
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| 19:14.54 | encryptz | i was thinking somewhere in the realm of using a tty to mount the partition/drive containing the iso, then mounting the iso, the configuring /etc/apt/sources.list to point to file:///path/to/mounted/iso/ |
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| 19:15.26 | pickcoder | ugh someone is connect spamming |
| 19:15.28 | zinx | isn't armagetron packaged in debian? :X |
| 19:15.41 | hoxu | pickcoder, who is "someone"? |
| 19:16.03 | pickcoder | it's a bot.. the nick has changed |
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| 19:16.26 | pickcoder | connect.. not join |
| 19:16.58 | pickcoder | hold on |
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| 19:17.26 | n3kl | zinx: yes |
| 19:17.34 | lrp | [cslater] i did that , i also now installed a driver novel driver from hp cd and i am installing debian again to see |
| 19:18.22 | pickcoder | is there any special reason why the smbfs module isn't in the bpo kernel package? |
| 19:18.38 | cahoot | cifs? |
| 19:18.50 | pickcoder | I use mount -t smbfs normally |
| 19:19.25 | pickcoder | 118.98.161.12 |
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| 19:19.36 | pickcoder | same IP that connect spammed me |
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| 19:19.46 | wols | pickcoder: use cifs |
| 19:19.49 | stew | zinx: it is, he was worried about installing an alpha version that he pulled from vcs |
| 19:19.57 | wols | pickcoder: tell freenode |
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| 19:20.06 | pickcoder | wols: It's in the source tree |
| 19:20.11 | pickcoder | I'm building the modules right now |
| 19:20.24 | pickcoder | just curious why the binary module isn't there |
| 19:20.26 | pickcoder | it's in .18 |
| 19:20.28 | wols | pickcoder: and he's on a /16 and changes nicks |
| 19:20.33 | wols | pickcoder: smbfs is deprecated |
| 19:20.34 | wols | !cifs |
| 19:20.35 | dpkg | somebody said cifs was Common Internet File System or see <SMB>, or it is basically SMB without <NBT> |
| 19:20.35 | zinx | stew: ohh |
| 19:20.39 | pickcoder | ok |
| 19:20.52 | pickcoder | nbt |
| 19:20.55 | pickcoder | !nbt |
| 19:20.55 | dpkg | methinks nbt is an implementation of the NetBIOS API on top of TCP/IP |
| 19:20.57 | stew | zinx: and he installed some other library to /usr and couldn't figure out why the configure script couldn't find it in /usr/local |
| 19:20.59 | dasorm | hi, i mounted an external hdd with ntfs filesystem and copied a file onto it, then dismounted and plugged it on a windows system. seems windows doesn't recognize the device anymore. what could be the problem here? |
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| 19:21.09 | pickcoder | so cifs will pick up netbios shares? |
| 19:21.17 | wols | pickcoder: yes |
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| 19:21.59 | stew | pickcoder: smbfs was only required for very old (like win95 or maybe older) shares |
| 19:22.05 | zinx | stew: yeah, i was noticing that part |
| 19:22.13 | zinx | stew: it's all Debian's fault of course |
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| 19:22.59 | pickcoder | are the mount options the same as smbfs? |
| 19:23.08 | tvynr | pickcoder: For the most part, yeah. |
| 19:23.16 | tvynr | pickcoder: lfs is on by default in cifs and not in smbfs |
| 19:23.26 | tvynr | pickcoder: But basic mounting should be about the same. |
| 19:23.29 | HAUSseTIER | hi anybody =) got somebody an idea, what i've "terminated" with deborphan, because my MC and menuconfig show crappy ASCII x) |
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| 19:24.27 | abrotman | you broke ncurses? |
| 19:24.47 | HAUSseTIER | um, maybe x) |
| 19:25.01 | HAUSseTIER | ncurses ... good hint x) |
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| 19:25.20 | HAUSseTIER | maybe deborphan "optimzed" away a neccessary lib x) |
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| 19:25.34 | pickcoder | hm... //<host>/<share> doesn't work |
| 19:26.33 | pickcoder | well IP worked |
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| 19:28.01 | themill | HAUSseTIER: also look at font packages and font substitution to fonts that don't have linedraw characters |
| 19:28.37 | mistern0th1ng | pickcoder: I came late to the discussion, but what is your network topology? Are you traversing a router (as-in not on your internal network) to reach the share? |
| 19:30.07 | Sling | any debian-crew here? |
| 19:30.16 | n3kl | YOu have to be within the same broadcast domain |
| 19:30.22 | n3kl | Sling: uh... |
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| 19:30.34 | HAUSseTIER | hm, libncurses5 and libncursesw5 are installed, but no dev. and deb. libs of them, but they shouldn't be needed |
| 19:30.34 | mistern0th1ng | n3kl: That's what I am getting at. |
| 19:30.38 | amphi | he means DDs I guess |
| 19:30.40 | n3kl | I figured |
| 19:30.50 | n3kl | amphi: ah |
| 19:31.07 | amphi | in the language we wot of ;) |
| 19:31.19 | Sling | links to cdimage on debian.org should be updated to 4.0_r4a, they link to 4.0_r4 atm, which give 404's |
| 19:31.40 | HAUSseTIER | besides the crappy ASCII frames i've also lost the umlauts 8| |
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| 19:31.57 | barnum | debians booth at linuxworld this year is looking pretty bare compared to last years |
| 19:32.07 | abrotman | and? |
| 19:32.12 | barnum | no video->ascii generator displaying |
| 19:32.15 | barnum | hehe |
| 19:32.20 | stew | barnum: its going on right now? |
| 19:32.23 | barnum | yes |
| 19:32.26 | barnum | at moscone |
| 19:32.29 | stew | barnum: i'd imaging a lot of them are at debcomp instead |
| 19:32.36 | barnum | ahh |
| 19:32.36 | stew | err debcamp |
| 19:32.44 | barnum | same week as linuxworld and blackhat? |
| 19:32.45 | barnum | ouch |
| 19:32.47 | blizzo1 | I have a software raid 5 array that isn't booting up or reassembling. It's made of 4 partitions and mdadm says 2 of them are inactive. |
| 19:32.54 | abrotman | i'd choose debcamp too |
| 19:33.05 | barnum | yeah my office is 2 blocks from linuxworld |
| 19:33.15 | barnum | my travel training budget is shot for the year |
| 19:33.21 | blizzo1 | How can I tell if the partitions are truly degraded? There is nothing in dmesg and fdisk shows the partition tables being fine. |
| 19:33.21 | barnum | so i got them to spring for a 3 day pass at least |
| 19:33.45 | tvynr | blizzo1: Hmm. Can you take the array down manually and then manually reassemble it? |
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| 19:33.54 | tvynr | blizzo1: Or have you already tried rebuilding it? |
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| 19:36.03 | blizzo1 | tvynr: I tried to reassemble (mdadm --assemble /dev/md4) and it says assembled from 2 drives - not enough to start the array. |
| 19:36.22 | tvynr | blizzo1: If you manually reassemble and specify each device on the command line, I think the -f option (force) will attempt to start the array with those devices even if mdadm thinks they're degraded. As for determining exactly whether or not the data on the drives is good, I haven't a clue. |
| 19:37.19 | tvynr | blizzo1: I'd try more like "mdadm --assemble /dev/md4 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1" |
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| 19:37.42 | tvynr | blizzo1: Or, if you're willing to see what happens, "mdadm --assemble --force /dev/md4 /dev/sda1 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sdc1 /dev/sdd1" ... which I've never done before, so I'm not sure what'll happen. |
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| 19:37.52 | tvynr | (Replacing your appropriate partitions as you please.) |
| 19:37.58 | Punker | Moinsen |
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| 19:38.29 | dasorm | sorry to ask again, but someone's putting pressure on me here ... i mounted an external hdd with ntfs filesystem and copied a file onto it, now windows doesn't recognize the device anymore. what could be the reason for this behaviour? |
| 19:38.51 | tvynr | dasorm: Not sure. How'd you copy the file onto it? Using ntfsmount? |
| 19:38.59 | dasorm | no, mount |
| 19:39.02 | blizzo1 | tvynr: force seemed to work. fsck'ing the partition now. Thanks! |
| 19:39.18 | tvynr | dasorm: Unless I'm unfamiliar with the method you used, "mount"ing an NTFS partition results in a read-only device. |
| 19:39.23 | tvynr | blizzo1: np - good luck! |
| 19:39.25 | dasorm | ah |
| 19:39.30 | dasorm | so what now? |
| 19:39.57 | tvynr | dasorm: Well, I'm not sure how your system's set up, so I don't know if your mount was read-only. Apparently not if your copy didn't fail. Does it still mount under Linux? |
| 19:40.13 | dasorm | it does |
| 19:40.16 | tvynr | dasorm: I'm guessing the contents of other places on said drive are kind of important, huh? |
| 19:40.30 | dasorm | that's it |
| 19:40.34 | dustybin | on my home network, i run a lot of private services, including, mythtv, zoneminder, NFS/SAMBA, X10, VOIP, i would also like to run a website what is accessable by anyone in the world, what would the best way of keeping the public website away from the rest of my home server? should i use another machine in a DMZ? or could i use some kind of VM setup? |
| 19:40.36 | tvynr | dasorm: Any reason you can't just copy all of the files off of it onto the Linux machine? |
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| 19:40.52 | dasorm | i can, but i don't have enough hdd space |
| 19:41.04 | tvynr | dustybin: chroot jail would be pretty simple security, yes? |
| 19:41.09 | SpookyET | Does anyone know rsync + ssh is so freaking slow compared to scp and rsync + rsync server? |
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| 19:41.35 | dustybin | tvynr: are you sure a chroot jail is secure enough? |
| 19:41.38 | tvynr | dasorm: I see. Do you have enough HDD space on another box you can use to hold these files? |
| 19:41.55 | dasorm | no, i'm on vacatiion this is my laptop. plus, there's the problem of getting this stuff back to him |
| 19:42.10 | tvynr | dasorm: 'cause if you do, you can just mount the partition under Linux, expose it via SSH or SMB or something, and then copy the stuff over a network to another box. |
| 19:42.27 | dasorm | 40 gigs via ssh? |
| 19:42.36 | tvynr | dasorm: So you pretty much have to rebuild the NTFS partition, huh? Hmm. You say Windows doesn't recognize it... as in doesn't see the partition at all? |
| 19:42.55 | dasorm | yes |
| 19:43.43 | tvynr | dustybin: Not really, no. I run my website alongside all of my private services on my box, so perhaps I'm not the security guy you wanted. :) The chroot jail would prevent anyone on the filesystem from getting out of the chroot (so your other files and so on are safe) but it could still represent a resource DoS or something like that. |
| 19:43.49 | tvynr | dustybin: There's always virtualization. :-D |
| 19:44.06 | tvynr | dasorm: So it sees it as an unknown partition or empty space or something like that? |
| 19:44.24 | OBcecado | is there a switch on df that allows the listing to be sorted by size ? |
| 19:44.30 | magyar_ | hi, trying to duplicate partition table from 500gb drive to another 500gb and get the error "Warning: bad partition start (earliest 22266091)" |
| 19:44.50 | psycodad_ | OBcecado: pipe it through sort ? |
| 19:44.52 | tvynr | magyar_: That may or may not work well depending on the geometry of the hard drives in question. |
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| 19:44.59 | dasorm | tvynr: no, it doesn't "see" it at all |
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| 19:45.09 | tvynr | dasorm: The partition or the whole drive? |
| 19:45.10 | magyar_ | tvynr, some segate drives |
| 19:45.21 | OBcecado | k, thx |
| 19:45.26 | dasorm | the whole drive, consisting of two partitions |
| 19:45.34 | magyar_ | seagate |
| 19:45.53 | tvynr | magyar_: Partition tables store information in terms of cylinders and the like, so if the drives have different cylinder sizes, your partition table can't copy verbatim. (IIRC) |
| 19:46.22 | dustybin | tyler: do you think it would be a idea to setup a xen guest for the public services? |
| 19:46.22 | dasorm | tvynr: the whole drive |
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| 19:46.32 | magyar_ | tvynr, is there a way to fix this, I mind you both drives are exact same model from seagate |
| 19:46.35 | dasorm | tvynr: it doesn't find anything |
| 19:46.47 | tvynr | dasorm: That's awfully bizarre. We might want to continue this in PM since this isn't exactly Debian-specific. :) |
| 19:46.52 | OBcecado | sort -g did it |
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| 19:47.23 | tvynr | dustybin: You could do something like that, yeah; using a VM is essentially the same as setting up another box for the web services (which you can then DMZ) except without all those messy cables and extra power cords. :) |
| 19:47.34 | helo | how do i disable ipv6? |
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| 19:47.49 | tvynr | magyar_: If they're the exact same model, I would expect a blind copy *would* work. Did you just use dd to copy the devices? |
| 19:47.56 | dustybin | tyler: do you think you should do that yourself? |
| 19:48.00 | bolt | Is there a way I can change how ls and similar programs sort filenames? I want files starting with exclamation marks to show on top (windows-like) and "Song I - test.mp3" to show above "Song II - test.mp3". Basically windows-like sorting. |
| 19:48.02 | helo | i can't unload the ipv6 module because it is in use |
| 19:48.02 | bolt | When I do something like "sleep 60 &", I can find the process I spawned just fine with "ps auxf". However, when I do something like that in my /etc/rc.local, I can't find the process in the list. Why? |
| 19:48.12 | magyar_ | tvynr, I used lenny installer |
| 19:48.24 | helo | but this server program is starting up in IPv6 (according to lsof), but i want it to use ipv4 |
| 19:48.26 | tvynr | magyar_: To set up the partitions on the new device? |
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| 19:48.47 | stew | helo: why do you want to disable ipv6? |
| 19:48.50 | simonrvn | helo: once loaded the ipv6 module can't be unloaded. there are a few that way.... |
| 19:49.02 | pickcoder | helo: blacklist it and reboot |
| 19:49.23 | stew | helo: why does it matter if a server is listening to ipv6? |
| 19:49.26 | magyar_ | tvynr, I installed a server with softraid during the install a week ago. Now one of the drives died and trying to sfdisk the partition from /dev/sda to /dev/sdb |
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| 19:49.51 | office | !debian-multimedia |
| 19:49.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 19:50.13 | helo | stew: i'm having some problems communicating with it (the ip address of the client is misunderstood) |
| 19:50.26 | stew | helo: can you show us? |
| 19:50.27 | tvynr | magyar_: So your server was running under a RAID1 and now you're trying to replace that drive? |
| 19:50.44 | helo | it is a 3rd party app, where you specify the ip address as a parameter |
| 19:50.54 | helo | for some reason, the ip address is being changed to 0.0.0.0 |
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| 19:51.15 | magyar_ | tvynr, roger |
| 19:51.17 | helo | (you specify the ip address to listen for) |
| 19:51.26 | stew | helo: 0.0.0.0 would mean "listen to all addresses" |
| 19:51.28 | tvynr | helo: Is it a server app? 0.0.0.0 is used for "listen on all IPs" in my experience |
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| 19:52.10 | helo | stew: it is looking for ip 10.0.10.15, but it is seeing 0.0.0.0 connect |
| 19:52.31 | tvynr | magyar_: Well, the best way to approach restoring a RAID1 in my experience would be to create a new partition (using fdisk, without copying) and then adding that partition to the array. Just copying it isn't going to add the device to the array or ensure that you're in sync with the other device. |
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| 19:52.37 | stew | helo: where is this information coming from? |
| 19:52.58 | helo | debugging output from the server program itself |
| 19:53.26 | magyar_ | tvynr, I think the main disk has a bad partition setting. I get this error on fdisk "The number of cylinders for this disk is set to 60801." |
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| 19:53.40 | tvynr | magyar_: If you're sure that the devices are exactly the same model, you can accomplish this by doing something like "dd if=/dev/sourcedrive of=/dev/targetdrive bs=512 count=1" to copy the old drive's partition table onto the new drive. Then fire up "fdisk /dev/newdrive" to make sure eveything worked alright. |
| 19:53.50 | helo | the server, i'm sure, is unsupported in this channel... it is a serial-over-ethernet app |
| 19:54.00 | tvynr | magyar_: Or you can make a new partition from scratch: fdisk /dev/newdrive and just set up a partition of type 0xFD. |
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| 19:54.59 | magyar_ | tvynr, I think I'll do exactly that, as there seem to be an issue with the main drive cylinder setting |
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| 19:55.13 | HAUSseTIER | hmm, if I log on a local console, ASCII frames are crappy and umlauts are lost, but if I open a ssh-shell, the frames in MC look fine... any idea? x) |
| 19:55.13 | magyar_ | tvynr, thanks |
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| 19:55.51 | HAUSseTIER | and this happens with any user |
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| 19:57.01 | mrnull | What's the file I need to edit to change my DNS settings? |
| 19:57.13 | OBcecado | /etc/resolv.conf |
| 19:57.24 | pickcoder | mrnull: using dhcp? |
| 19:57.35 | mrnull | pickcoder: yeah. Think I should just change in my router? |
| 19:57.46 | pickcoder | resolv.conf will be changed to match dhcp |
| 19:57.58 | mrnull | pickcoder: ooooh |
| 19:58.04 | themill | dpkg: tell mrnull about fixresolvconf |
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| 19:59.07 | helo | putting "blacklist ipv6" in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local didn't keep it from being loaded on boot |
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| 20:00.21 | n3kl | helo: you have to make a change in /etc/modprobe.d/aliases |
| 20:00.28 | pickcoder | why is cifs mounting giving me 722 as a filemoed when I have 0777 in smb.conf on the remote and file_mode=0777 in the mount statement |
| 20:00.36 | pickcoder | ~filemode |
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| 20:01.10 | pickcoder | helo: you used to have to blacklist ip-net-pf10 too |
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| 20:01.55 | helo | ok, wish me luck... |
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| 20:02.45 | pickcoder | er |
| 20:02.48 | pickcoder | net-pf-10 |
| 20:02.55 | pickcoder | which is aliased to ipv6 |
| 20:03.19 | tvynr | magyar_: Once you've finished setting up your partition, do you know how to add it to the existing, degraded RAID1? |
| 20:03.35 | pickcoder | ugh.. this is annoying |
| 20:03.54 | pickcoder | 0777 is octal for +rwx right? |
| 20:04.00 | eptalon | heyas. For a computer to act as a file server for mostly audio and video, (to both win and linux), what do you recommend, NFS3? |
| 20:04.07 | tvynr | pickcoder: It's octal for rwxrwxrwx, yeah. |
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| 20:04.20 | pickcoder | well mount isn't obeying |
| 20:04.25 | tvynr | eptalon: SMB/CIFS. |
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| 20:04.34 | pickcoder | and where the hell did 722 come from |
| 20:04.36 | tvynr | eptalon: I don't trust Windows to handle anything smarter than CIFS. :) |
| 20:04.37 | pickcoder | that's not a normal file mode |
| 20:04.40 | eptalon | tvynr: aka Samb |
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| 20:04.51 | eptalon | tvynr: aka Samba |
| 20:04.57 | tvynr | eptalon: Samba is an open source implementation of that protocol, yeah. |
| 20:05.03 | helo | hmm... still no luck... i'm blacklisting ipv6 and net-pf-10 |
| 20:05.07 | pickcoder | speaking of samba... heh |
| 20:05.14 | tvynr | pickcoder:: Not sure. It almost sounds like it's masking something the wrong way. |
| 20:05.20 | opensrcguru | pickcoder: is it set in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:05.28 | eptalon | tvynr: "An" -> "The most widely used" |
| 20:05.29 | pickcoder | opensrcguru: no I'm mounting on boot |
| 20:05.29 | helo | what about "alias net-pf-16-proto-13 ip6_queue |
| 20:05.38 | tvynr | eptalon: Indeed. :) |
| 20:05.47 | opensrcguru | pickcoder: are you mounting with 'mount -a' ? |
| 20:05.50 | helo | or, alias xfrm-type-10-108 ipcomp6 |
| 20:06.03 | pickcoder | smb.conf has create mask 0777 on the remote side |
| 20:06.10 | pickcoder | for the specific share I'm mounting |
| 20:06.20 | opensrcguru | pickcoder: thats just for newly created files, not local mounts |
| 20:06.32 | pickcoder | every file is new |
| 20:06.34 | pickcoder | it's a fax spool |
| 20:06.38 | pickcoder | for incoming faxes |
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| 20:06.56 | pickcoder | watches the tiff's pile up |
| 20:07.11 | opensrcguru | pickcoder: can u chmod them? |
| 20:07.19 | pickcoder | yup |
| 20:07.26 | pickcoder | and my fax handler grabs them on the remote vox |
| 20:07.28 | pickcoder | ~box |
| 20:07.29 | apt | it has been said that box is that on which debian is housed |
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| 20:07.36 | tvynr | lol |
| 20:07.37 | pickcoder | as soon as I chmod |
| 20:07.40 | tvynr | or rather |
| 20:07.41 | tvynr | haha |
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| 20:08.14 | tvynr | pickcoder: Well, at least you can set up an every-ten-seconds chmod if you need a quick workaround until you solve the problem. :) |
| 20:08.25 | pickcoder | yeah.. that's solid |
| 20:08.33 | pickcoder | I'm starting to ponder nfs |
| 20:08.43 | jengelh | So I've got this debian sid amd64 running, but trying to install the virtualbox downloaded from sun says "dpkg: error processing virtualbox_1.6.4-33808_Debian_etch_amd64.deb (--install): package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386) |
| 20:08.48 | pickcoder | I don't really need smb,, but it's nice having 'doze access to the files |
| 20:09.09 | n3kl | jengelh: try getting the right package |
| 20:09.10 | opensrcguru | pickcoder: what app is writing them? |
| 20:09.20 | jengelh | n3kl: how more right than amd64 could it be? |
| 20:09.22 | pickcoder | opensrcguru: hylafax+ |
| 20:09.37 | tvynr | jengelh: What does "uname -m" produce? |
| 20:09.40 | opensrcguru | pickcoder: if you create a file, do the perms get set correctly? |
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| 20:09.48 | jengelh | tvynr: x86_64 |
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| 20:09.55 | vadmeste | hi |
| 20:09.59 | pickcoder | opensrcguru: obvious question that I didn't answer myself yet.. :) |
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| 20:10.11 | pickcoder | 722 |
| 20:10.12 | tvynr | jengelh: How about "file $(which dpkg)"? |
| 20:10.16 | pickcoder | it's cifs |
| 20:10.27 | pickcoder | something is screwy |
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| 20:10.32 | pseudohelp | is there a way using apt to list all installed packages? |
| 20:10.40 | vadmeste | I have a IPW3945 and I want to change some drivers option without have to reload the driver.. Is that possible ? |
| 20:10.42 | tvynr | pseudohelp: No. Use "dpkg -l" |
| 20:10.45 | jengelh | tvynr: ELF 32-bit. I guess that's due to debian strange way where amd64 == "32-bit userspace" |
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| 20:10.49 | vadmeste | driver * |
| 20:10.59 | stew | pseudohelp: yes, "aptitude search '~i'" |
| 20:11.00 | crashanddie | vadmeste, driver options ? |
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| 20:11.19 | tvynr | jengelh: On my box, that line produces "ELF 64-bit LSB executable". I'm running AMD64 Lenny. |
| 20:11.22 | vadmeste | crashanddie: yes.. for example "modprobe ipw3945 led=0" |
| 20:11.27 | jengelh | tvynr: good to know, thanks! |
| 20:11.29 | helo | hmm... i've blacklisted everything i can find in aliases that has the number 6 in it, essentially, and ipv6 is still being loaded... i'm using 2.6.25 (from backports) on etch |
| 20:11.37 | tvynr | jengelh: If you're in a 32-bit userspace, you need i386 packages. |
| 20:11.48 | tvynr | jengelh: It sounds almost like you're running a 64-bit kernel in a 32-bit userspace? |
| 20:12.04 | jengelh | yes. that |
| 20:12.05 | crashanddie | vadmeste, I think you just answered your own question |
| 20:12.05 | davi__ | How to remove the 'pin' of a packages, so it can be upgraded |
| 20:12.07 | tvynr | jengelh: This is not the default behavior for the AMD64 Debian installers, AFAIK. |
| 20:12.08 | n3kl | jengelh: dood, sorry, it looks like they changed the process while I stopped using it. YOu need the amd64 package if you are running amd64 os. Make sure you know if its the 32bin installation or 64bit installation of debian |
| 20:12.10 | pickcoder | helo: I blacklisted ipv6 and never had a problem |
| 20:12.12 | jengelh | yes. that is due to the old debian way |
| 20:12.35 | jengelh | ISTR that once upon a time, 32-bit userspace was all they were capable of |
| 20:12.37 | vadmeste | crashanddie: I think you didn't understand my question |
| 20:12.44 | crashanddie | vadmeste, I think I did |
| 20:12.56 | tvynr | jengelh: Ah. I'm new to Debian as of January 2006, at which time the full AMD64 port was unofficial. :) |
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| 20:13.08 | opensrcguru | pseudohelp: apt-show-versions does some pretty neat stuff |
| 20:13.16 | crashanddie | vadmeste, no, there is no way to change options that are part of the microcode loading sequence, other than by reloading the driver |
| 20:13.46 | pseudohelp | thanks |
| 20:14.23 | vadmeste | crashanddie: ok, I didn't understand what you mean by microcode loading sequence.. but it's ok.. thanks |
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| 20:15.27 | pseudohelp | i need the output from aptitude search '~i' saved to a file |
| 20:15.32 | helo | pickcoder: so you just blacklist net-pf-10 and ipv6? |
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| 20:15.41 | pickcoder | yup |
| 20:15.42 | pickcoder | rebooted |
| 20:15.48 | pickcoder | tcp6 doesn't show in netstat |
| 20:15.49 | tvynr | pseudohelp: you're using bash? Just pipe it using > |
| 20:16.01 | tvynr | pseudohelp: i.e., echo "foo" > bar.txt |
| 20:16.31 | Folk_Theory | which package is systemsettings on? |
| 20:16.35 | Folk_Theory | for kde 4 |
| 20:16.50 | jengelh | tvynr: hm k, works now! |
| 20:16.59 | tvynr | jengelh: Cool. :) |
| 20:17.02 | pseudohelp | tvynr, thats filing |
| 20:17.11 | jengelh | I just needed to pave the x64 one onto it.. |
| 20:17.15 | pseudohelp | i guarantee i did something wrong |
| 20:17.23 | unreal-dude | is there a reason to using tcp6 yet? |
| 20:17.30 | abrotman | !tell Folk_Theory about kde4 |
| 20:17.33 | pseudohelp | sudo echo "aptitude search '~i'" > packages.txt -bash: packages.txt: Permission denied |
| 20:17.34 | jengelh | tvynr: well I have to admit I forceconverted that ugly brown thing called ubuntu 6.. I could not stand that crap. |
| 20:17.39 | pseudohelp | sudo as im in / |
| 20:17.49 | abrotman | because it the sudo ends at the > |
| 20:17.53 | tvynr | pseudohelp: sudo doesn't work that way |
| 20:17.54 | abrotman | IIRC anyways |
| 20:17.58 | pseudohelp | ok |
| 20:18.07 | abrotman | pseudohelp: just dump it to /tmp/ |
| 20:18.09 | tvynr | pseudohelp: sudo echo "foo" > bar.txt only runs the echo command with root privs |
| 20:18.27 | tvynr | pseudohelp: abrotman is right; don't go dumping junk all over / :) |
| 20:18.46 | abrotman | well .. it's that anyone can write there |
| 20:19.12 | jelly-home | tvynr: but sudo sh -c 'echo "foo" > bar.txt' ... |
| 20:19.16 | tvynr | abrotman: Yeah. Anyone can write to /tmp and no one can write to / except root. And there's a reason: / should stay pretty nicely organized just in case anyone else ever has to deal with it. :) |
| 20:19.27 | helo | ok, i need to make sure ipv6 doesn't load... can i move the .ko somewhere? |
| 20:19.33 | pseudohelp | tvynr, im currently making a tar.bz2 archive of /home |
| 20:19.37 | jelly-home | !blacklist ipv6 |
| 20:19.38 | dpkg | somebody said noipv6 was http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/409 |
| 20:19.42 | pseudohelp | and i dont wnat to wirte to the homedir |
| 20:20.03 | tvynr | jelly-home: I'd much prefer echo "foo" | sudo tee bar.txt > /dev/null myself, just 'cause it avoids running the first command with root privs. |
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| 20:21.19 | abrotman | not to be an ass .. but why do you need root privs to do that at all ? |
| 20:21.20 | jelly-home | tvynr: heh |
| 20:21.42 | slayton | I'm trying to debug an error i'm getting when Installing a python module that I've packed into a deb here is a paste bin of the error: http://pastebin.com/m4756c1b0 the error message isn't very descriptive and so i'm not sure what to do to fix my errors |
| 20:21.45 | tvynr | abrotman: You don't. :) |
| 20:21.49 | abrotman | just wondering :) |
| 20:22.06 | pickcoder | hrm.. now it's 622 |
| 20:22.24 | tvynr | pseudohelp: So how about this: tar czvf /some/path/home-backup.tar.gz /home |
| 20:22.43 | pseudohelp | its currently running |
| 20:22.49 | pseudohelp | and i dont feel liek stopping it |
| 20:23.01 | pseudohelp | im goign to reinstall soon |
| 20:23.14 | pseudohelp | move the archives to a different system for temp storage |
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| 20:26.39 | Zambezi | I'm having trouble to extract rar-files. I tried unrar, unrar-free, unp, file-roller. Errormessage like just error and file format not recognized. Any ideas for solution? Debian Lenny here. |
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| 20:26.56 | Gnurdux | insall unrar |
| 20:27.22 | Gnurdux | then use it |
| 20:27.26 | Gnurdux | what errors do you get/ |
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| 20:27.51 | stefon | Does anyome know why gmm is not packaged for debian and if there is a way to get it worked ? |
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| 20:28.13 | Zambezi | Gnurdux: I just says Failed. Newline "1 Fail". With unrar now. |
| 20:28.31 | jetscreamer | i have a box connectied via a nic, and dhcp. i'm going to take the nic out. what do i need to do (besides lose the auto eth0 or whatever) |
| 20:28.44 | jetscreamer | purge dhcp client? |
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| 20:29.12 | jelly-home | Zambezi: what about rar? It's present in non-free (for i386 at least) |
| 20:29.18 | jetscreamer | !why is gmm not in debian |
| 20:29.18 | dpkg | jetscreamer: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:29.22 | jetscreamer | !why is gmm not in testing |
| 20:29.22 | dpkg | gmm is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://release.debian.org/migration/testing.pl?package=gmm |
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| 20:29.34 | stefon | jetscreamer: thx |
| 20:29.37 | jelly-home | Zambezi: or just unpack your warez in windows :-> |
| 20:29.48 | Pelto | Host/Kernel/OS "MeinGehirn" running Linux 2.6.26-5-generic i686 [ KANOTIX 2007 Thorhammer ] |
| 20:29.48 | Pelto | CPU Info (1) AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 6000+ 1024 KB cache flags( sse sse2 nx lm pni svm ) clocked at [ 3000.000 MHz ] |
| 20:29.48 | Pelto | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:29.48 | Pelto | Videocard ATI Radeon X1950 GT X.Org 7.1.1 [ 1600x1200 @85hz ] |
| 20:29.48 | Pelto | Network cards RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
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| 20:30.02 | jetscreamer | thorhammer oh boy |
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| 20:31.28 | Zambezi | jelly-home: Rar is not in the repos. Not non-free either. Maybe if I add an extra repos, but not sure which. |
| 20:31.42 | jetscreamer | rar is in there |
| 20:31.43 | jetscreamer | there is also rar-nonfree |
| 20:31.46 | jelly-home | !info rar etch |
| 20:31.47 | valdyn | atq |
| 20:31.49 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search rar |
| 20:31.53 | jetscreamer | ah etch maybe not |
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| 20:32.03 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.7b1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 494 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 20:32.09 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 20:32.10 | jelly-home | there. |
| 20:32.17 | greymalkin | Is there any simple way to make a debian chroot environment that doesn't have development tools as part of it? |
| 20:32.31 | jetscreamer | marillat has a rar package also |
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| 20:32.38 | jetscreamer | rar-2.80 iirc |
| 20:32.45 | stew | greymalkin: debootstrap |
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| 20:32.58 | jelly-home | 2.80 sounds awfully old |
| 20:33.05 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 20:33.08 | helo | man... i still can't prevent ipv6 from being loaded... i have followed !noipv6 |
| 20:33.10 | jetscreamer | never been a rar fan |
| 20:33.19 | jelly-home | helo: hm. |
| 20:33.28 | slayton | anybody know anything about building debs from python modules? |
| 20:33.43 | ponyofdeath | hi, how can i disable the ipv6 in net-snmp i keep getting could not open /proc/net/if_inet6 |
| 20:33.48 | Zambezi | jelly-home: It's Lenny I'm using. |
| 20:33.58 | helo | i've tried blacklisting ipv6, net-pf-10, etc |
| 20:33.59 | jelly-home | Zambezi: i386 or amd64? |
| 20:34.01 | jetscreamer | so? and? |
| 20:34.07 | jetscreamer | !info rar lenny |
| 20:34.26 | jelly-home | helo: grep ipv6 ...: /etc/modprobe.d/aliases:# alias net-pf-10 ipv6 \n /etc/modprobe.d/local:blacklist ipv6 |
| 20:34.35 | dpkg | rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.8b3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 509 kB, Installed size: 1044 kB |
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| 20:34.40 | jelly-home | helo: and update-initramfs |
| 20:34.43 | Zambezi | jelly-home: i386 |
| 20:34.54 | jetscreamer | zamba: try adding non-free |
| 20:34.57 | jetscreamer | !contrib |
| 20:34.57 | dpkg | well, contrib is Debian packages that are free, but depend on software not in Debian (possibly in contrib or non-free). To get packages in contrib, add lines like deb http://yourmirror/debian/ [testing|stable] main in your /etc/apt/sources.list need 'contrib' and possibly 'non-free' on the end. Ask me about <non-free> |
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| 20:35.24 | jelly-home | Zambezi: it was there a week ago. get it from unstable then *shrug* |
| 20:35.38 | jetscreamer | [15.34.36] <dpkg> rar: (Archiver for .rar files), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.8b3-1 (lenny), Packaged size: 509 kB, Installed size: 1044 kB |
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| 20:35.58 | stew | there is no reason to get it from unstable, its in the lenny non-free repositories |
| 20:36.03 | skyjumper | can update-grub be configured to detect a raid1 boot partition and add the duplicate kernels to menu.lst? |
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| 20:36.30 | stew | Zambezi: "/msg dpkg non-free" rar can't be included in debian becuase (among other problems) it costs money |
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| 20:36.37 | helo | jelly-home: i'm having trouble decoding that grep ipv6 ..... |
| 20:36.42 | jetscreamer | skyjumper: you can ask in #grub at the same time |
| 20:36.56 | jetscreamer | oh nm |
| 20:37.00 | jetscreamer | ignore me |
| 20:37.02 | helo | oh, nm |
| 20:37.14 | skyjumper | isn't update-grub a debian thing? |
| 20:37.18 | stew | skyjumper: it is |
| 20:37.23 | jetscreamer | hence 'nm' |
| 20:37.23 | Zambezi | stew: Then I have a problem cause I need rar. |
| 20:37.27 | skyjumper | ah |
| 20:37.40 | stew | Zambezi: and what is the problem? |
| 20:38.46 | helo | ok, here goes (8th reboot to disable ipv6...) |
| 20:38.46 | jetscreamer | Zambezi: you need to add non-free in your sources so you can install it |
| 20:38.47 | jetscreamer | get it? |
| 20:38.47 | jetscreamer | contrib non-free |
| 20:38.47 | jelly-home | Zambezi: you said you had non-free enabled, are using lenny i386, and rar is still not there. That means you're doing something wrong, cause my apt can see it on the same distro. |
| 20:39.07 | cipherz | what does set -e do ? looking at the debian policy manual, attempted set --help / -h, google and man set but without luck :\ |
| 20:39.09 | Zambezi | jelly-home: I didn't say non-free was added. I just did it. |
| 20:39.14 | jetscreamer | i'm updating to lenny atm and just saw it in sources also |
| 20:39.18 | pseudohelp | ive made archives of /home /etc and .usr/local |
| 20:39.23 | pseudohelp | wbat else should i save? |
| 20:39.26 | jetscreamer | Zambezi: aptitude update then go for it |
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| 20:39.47 | helo | ... and failure once again :) |
| 20:39.53 | jelly-home | Zambezi: "<Zambezi> jelly-home: Rar is not in the repos. Not non-free either. " # I interpreted this line that way, sorry |
| 20:40.04 | pseudohelp | hmm |
| 20:40.07 | jetscreamer | pseudohelp: some things in /etc are helpful sometimes |
| 20:40.11 | pseudohelp | i shgould save the MySQL databases |
| 20:40.13 | helo | will i break my system if i just move ipv6.ko elsewhere? |
| 20:40.20 | jetscreamer | fstab, sources.list, other stuff |
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| 20:40.33 | jelly-home | helo: no. |
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| 20:40.40 | jetscreamer | helo: i've moved, deleted, symlinked and other .ko stuff.. ymmv |
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| 20:40.58 | jetscreamer | xorg.conf |
| 20:41.00 | pseudohelp | im goign to resinstall on a buigger HD and i wnat to save stuff |
| 20:41.05 | jelly-home | helo: oh, try "install ipv6 /bin/true" instead of blacklisting |
| 20:41.07 | jetscreamer | !reinstall |
| 20:41.07 | dpkg | it has been said that reinstall is aptitude reinstall '~i' ; or COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > my_packages.txt , then later, dpkg --set-selections < my_packages.txt && apt-get install . See also <aptitude clone>. <debian clone> |
| 20:41.07 | helo | i've tried six different methods to get ipv6 not to load over almost 10 reboots, and still no luck |
| 20:41.18 | pseudohelp | jetscreamer, its a server |
| 20:41.22 | pseudohelp | no X |
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| 20:41.31 | S[h]O[r]T | im trying to restart my sshd server but i keep getting this error when trying /usr/sbin/sshd: error while loading shared libraries libz.so.1 cannot open shared object file |
| 20:41.36 | helo | jelly-home: in modprobe.d/00blacklist? |
| 20:41.37 | jetscreamer | hey pseudohelp you can just clone the install... me i boot a live cd and just cp -R |
| 20:41.51 | jelly-home | helo: anywhere in modprobe.d, right |
| 20:41.53 | jetscreamer | have both hd's in the box |
| 20:42.04 | pseudohelp | hmm |
| 20:42.14 | pseudohelp | how do I save my MySQL databases... |
| 20:42.23 | jetscreamer | doesn't work so well when you're running the os you want to clone :) |
| 20:42.25 | jetscreamer | no idea |
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| 20:42.39 | pseudohelp | simple way: just save the folder containing the DBs |
| 20:42.58 | Zambezi | jelly-home, jetscreamer I'm not entirely used to Debian yet. So I assumed it was "banned" from the repos totally. But it's installed now, but I can't check before upgrade is done. |
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| 20:43.23 | jetscreamer | aptitude dist upgrade |
| 20:43.25 | jetscreamer | err |
| 20:43.29 | jetscreamer | aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 20:44.10 | jelly-home | Zambezi: non-free repos have all sorts of useful crap, but are not officially part of debian |
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| 20:45.36 | jetscreamer | licensing |
| 20:45.40 | jetscreamer | et al |
| 20:45.47 | Zambezi | jelly-home: That's why I thought it was excluded since there's Icedove instead of Thunderbird. But I like Debians security. |
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| 20:46.22 | jetscreamer | !why iceweasel |
| 20:46.22 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
| 20:46.28 | jetscreamer | same thing though |
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| 20:47.11 | Zambezi | jetscreamer: I know. And Iceweasel is better. I like it's blocking redirecting. |
| 20:47.16 | jetscreamer | ah ok |
| 20:47.34 | jetscreamer | goes away now |
| 20:48.52 | S[h]O[r]T | im trying to restart my sshd server but i keep getting this error when trying /usr/sbin/sshd: error while loading shared libraries libz.so.1 cannot open shared object file |
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| 20:49.33 | davi__ | FireFox 3 sucks :P |
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| 20:50.23 | n3kl | Does lightscribe work in linux? |
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| 20:51.07 | bolt | When I do something like "sleep 60 &", I can find the process I spawned just fine with "ps auxf". However, when I do something like that in my /etc/rc.local, I can't find the process in the list. Why? |
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| 20:52.57 | pseudohelp | ok |
| 20:53.04 | pseudohelp | i have my MySQL databases backed up |
| 20:53.09 | pseudohelp | what else should I save? |
| 20:53.11 | abrotman | !hi |
| 20:53.11 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
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| 20:53.34 | pseudohelp | i tihkn ive saved everything |
| 20:54.01 | bolt | pseudohelp: /etc, /var/, /home |
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| 20:54.24 | pseudohelp | done |
| 20:54.25 | bolt | (var includes lots of crap. might want to go through it to save space) |
| 20:54.26 | pseudohelp | got those |
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| 20:54.34 | pseudohelp | mi have /var/www |
| 20:54.37 | pseudohelp | i* |
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| 20:56.45 | abrotman | chii: who owns you |
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| 20:56.59 | pickcoder | interesting.. if I create a file it's rw-r-r but if faxdispatch runs the file is rwx-w-w |
| 20:57.26 | pickcoder | which means my chmod 777 is being masked |
| 20:57.27 | abrotman | thinks pickcoder is going to go crazy if he keeps screwing with fax machines |
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| 20:57.58 | abrotman | !hi |
| 20:57.58 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 20:57.59 | pickcoder | abrotman: unfortunately certain companies and agencies still don't know what e-mail is or they are paranoid of it |
| 20:58.12 | abrotman | pickcoder: email? |
| 20:58.28 | pickcoder | no.. e-mail |
| 20:58.46 | pickcoder | poltically correct it's E-mail |
| 20:58.54 | abrotman | pickcoder: everyone should switch to xmpp anyways :) |
| 20:59.15 | pickcoder | well until that happens I have to fix this samba problem |
| 20:59.26 | pickcoder | umask all around is 0022 |
| 20:59.26 | abrotman | wonders how E- is 'politically' correct |
| 20:59.45 | abrotman | doe sthe faxdispatch have its own .bashfoo files that might be changning that? |
| 20:59.46 | pickcoder | it's an abbreviation of a two-word phrase |
| 20:59.55 | abrotman | gramatically correct? |
| 20:59.57 | pickcoder | abrotman: I highly doubt it |
| 21:00.03 | pickcoder | it does run as uucp though |
| 21:00.08 | pickcoder | hrm |
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| 21:00.29 | pickcoder | it's not a real user though |
| 21:00.43 | abrotman | does it have a $HOME ? |
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| 21:01.27 | pickcoder | I don't think so |
| 21:01.31 | dalias | lol :) |
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| 21:02.51 | pickcoder | heh.. it has one in passwd but it doesn't exist |
| 21:03.01 | abrotman | cute |
| 21:03.17 | abrotman | are there .bashfoo files in / ? |
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| 21:03.31 | pickcoder | hope |
| 21:03.41 | abrotman | i hopt not |
| 21:03.41 | pickcoder | cifs is smokin something |
| 21:03.48 | pickcoder | s/hope/nope |
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| 21:06.37 | pickcoder | nfs is a last resort |
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| 21:09.07 | pickcoder | ' doze creates new files as rwx-rw-rw though |
| 21:09.14 | pickcoder | scratching head |
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| 21:10.20 | vista555 | hi |
| 21:10.46 | fm2008 | is there any tool that can allow me to get a list of all the apps on freshmeat.net that have been updated this 2008? i do not want to spend hours browsing |
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| 21:12.36 | Trewas | are there any other xmms-like mp3-players besides beep-media-player and audacious? all of those have now committed suicide so I am wondering what to use next... |
| 21:12.56 | abrotman | suicide? |
| 21:13.03 | abrotman | what's wrong with audacious? |
| 21:13.12 | unop | !paste |
| 21:13.13 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 21:14.01 | Trewas | abrotman: audacious 1.5.x does not support playlists anymore and scrobbler plugin is so full of shit it is not funny |
| 21:14.28 | abrotman | i know the plugins(there are two) packages were out of sync in lenny for a bit |
| 21:14.41 | Trewas | sad that 1.4.x was fine and 1.5.x did not change anything visible, only broke things |
| 21:14.43 | abrotman | Trewas: anyways .. maybe check the other front ends for xmms2? |
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| 21:15.10 | abrotman | there used to be zinf .. now dead also i suppose |
| 21:15.55 | Trewas | I don't like anything database-oriented... my mp3's are organized fine on the disk, so database has no value |
| 21:16.22 | abrotman | quod libet? rythymbox? (both gnome/gtk apps) |
| 21:17.07 | abrotman | i still use audacious .. but usually like `audacious *` :) |
| 21:17.30 | unop | i'm trying to backport glib2.0 from sid to lenny but dpkg-buildpackage fails .. can someone shed light on what might be wrong here? http://rafb.net/p/PYz7Sw25.html |
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| 21:18.23 | Trewas | abrotman: yeah, I still use audacious too but it not supporting .m3u and the scrobbler pluging crapping out daily is a bit frustrating |
| 21:18.42 | abrotman | Trewas: so you can try the other two .. i'm 99% sure they both support both of those two features |
| 21:19.07 | Trewas | rhythmbox is database-based (think itunes) but I'll have to check quod libet |
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| 21:20.17 | Trewas | and apparently quod libet too... |
| 21:20.43 | philluminati | Hi guys. I can't get compiz fusion to work. I get Fatal: Failed test: texture_from_pixmap support. Can someone with an nvidia card paste their xorg into a pastebin for me please? |
| 21:20.59 | philluminati | (someone with nvidia AND compiz fusion) |
| 21:21.14 | abrotman | Trewas: totem ? :) |
| 21:22.06 | Trewas | abrotman: I'd rather use mpg321 etc from commandline :) |
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| 21:22.41 | abrotman | up to you |
| 21:22.48 | abrotman | i don't scrobble and don't use play lists .. |
| 21:23.02 | Trewas | not that I have tried totem as music player but as videoplayer it has not convinced me |
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| 21:23.15 | jetscreamer | what the hell IS a CID supplement anyway... that a lot of fonts don't seem to have |
| 21:23.15 | abrotman | it's annoyingly .. WMP :) |
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| 21:23.56 | jetscreamer | xine-ui is good, vlc is good but fugly, mplayer is good |
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| 21:24.07 | philluminati | sorry, crashed X then. |
| 21:24.54 | Trewas | abrotman: I should be quite easy to please wrt. mp3-players (just give me something like winamp 2.x), but every such linux player seems to be either getting abandoned or going itunes :( |
| 21:25.19 | jetscreamer | xmms==winamp |
| 21:25.32 | barnum | what happened to good old amp |
| 21:25.36 | abrotman | Trewas: i agree |
| 21:25.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: yes .. and it's been removed from lenny/sid |
| 21:26.19 | abrotman | quite frankly ... someone should just take the xmms1 code and try to move it to gtk2 .. and then just release it :) |
| 21:26.38 | Trewas | yeah, that would be the optimum :) |
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| 21:26.47 | abrotman | thinks Trewas is the optimal person to do that |
| 21:26.55 | Trewas | hrr :) |
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| 21:28.04 | Trewas | well, fixing the gripes with audacious might be easier... but the upstream doesn't apparently care that much about 1.5.x anymore because they have something grander plans for 2.x |
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| 21:30.07 | jetscreamer | xmms2 is there though |
| 21:30.17 | jetscreamer | i didn't like it when i tried it at first |
| 21:30.25 | jetscreamer | first came out i mean |
| 21:30.30 | jetscreamer | never tried since |
| 21:31.16 | jetscreamer | xine or mplayer work great for audio though |
| 21:31.24 | jetscreamer | xine even has a goom thingy |
| 21:31.45 | jetscreamer | i use mplayer in windows on my laptop in the car |
| 21:31.50 | jetscreamer | :o |
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| 21:32.08 | Trewas | but xmms2 is something completely different from xmms (and ye olde winamp)... the second line from their page says "xmms2 will manage your music library" and that is something I'd like to continue doing myself, kthx |
| 21:32.21 | zyx386 | make: *** No rule to make target `install'. Stop. |
| 21:32.35 | zyx386 | why cant compile? |
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| 21:34.43 | ArtimusDeathhole | anyone home? |
| 21:34.47 | zyx386 | ? |
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| 21:35.13 | ArtimusDeathhole | I wont lie, I came here looking for someone with experience with partman-auto |
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| 21:36.58 | thedonvaughn | yah I like mpd much better than xmms2 |
| 21:37.02 | ArtimusDeathhole | I am trying to setup simple md raid on 2 disks using partman-auto and the installer. I am using Ubuntu Hardy (I know this isnt the ubuntu channel, but trying to get a decent answer from those peeps isnt woekring well for me) |
| 21:37.09 | thedonvaughn | even the xmms2 guys said they probably never would have written xmms2 if they known about mpd |
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| 21:39.29 | stew | ArtimusDeathhole: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
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| 21:40.08 | ArtimusDeathhole | will try again, I have been there already, but thanks |
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| 21:40.25 | HAUSseTIER | well, i found some interesting things for my font problem: after excuting X11, it screws my console font stuff .. after "/etc/init.d/console-screen.sh restart" frames are fine again ... but still at boot time and later on, the keymaps are still screwed in console ... event after "/etc/init.d/keymap.sh restart" ... but "/etc/console/boottime.kmap.gz" is fine since 2005 ^^ so what causes all this screwing up my console and how could I fix it |
| 21:40.25 | HAUSseTIER | permanently? |
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| 21:43.17 | HAUSseTIER | and the most interesting: loggin in via ssh-shell, frames AND keymaps are fine ... ö (oe) is an ö on keyboard and so on ^^ |
| 21:43.57 | HAUSseTIER | but my normal physically console is screwed :/ |
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| 21:46.16 | _moepman_ | hi |
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| 21:47.11 | piju- | cool |
| 21:47.16 | piju- | everybody is here |
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| 21:48.02 | pickcoder | heh.. I managed to use cifs to kill the box |
| 21:48.04 | dondelelcaro | HAUSseTIER: they're quite a bit different (ssh v. physical console) |
| 21:48.57 | pickcoder | I took the share down it was mounted to and cifs casued a kernel panic |
| 21:49.23 | pickcoder | great connection handling there |
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| 21:52.25 | HAUSseTIER | dondelelcaro: seems so ... but how could I fix the console issues? |
| 21:53.05 | linkslice | I've got a system I'm going to upgrading from sarge to Etch on Friday, is there a command that I can use when I do the dist-upgrade that will download the packages only? (to minimize downtime when I run the actuall dist-upgrade) |
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| 21:53.28 | stew | linkslice: --download-only |
| 21:53.57 | linkslice | stew, and then later when I do the dist-upgrade I can apt-get dist-upgrade and it will use the already downloaded packages? |
| 21:54.04 | ndo | Hi everyone. |
| 21:54.11 | rznk | ndo: Hello |
| 21:54.15 | HAUSseTIER | LANG=de_DE@euro pointing to ISO-8859-15 is just fine ... and works in SSH shell, but it doesn't work/map in console :( |
| 21:54.15 | ndo | guys, ive got a trouble that i cant solve already for quite a view time. when i boot up my linux, i get "grub>" prompt, how can i fix it? |
| 21:54.20 | stew | linkslice: yes |
| 21:54.25 | linkslice | stew ok t'anks! |
| 21:54.31 | ndo | rznk: :) |
| 21:54.38 | stew | linkslice: andd make sure to follow the recommended upgrade procedure: /msg dpkg sarge-etch |
| 21:54.45 | stew | linkslice: err /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 21:55.38 | stew | ndo: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
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| 21:55.55 | ndo | stew: hm, ok, ty |
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| 22:01.12 | ndo | stew: u know, im actually on mac mini (now on osx), trying to dualboot with Debian. And already have been trying to grib-install and so on. but it seems im missing something. i tryed alredy everything. ithink. |
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| 22:01.19 | Lycurgus | ndo: sounds like a failed install. |
| 22:01.31 | dondelelcaro | HAUSseTIER: well, first you almost certianly want UTF-8 |
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| 22:02.10 | dondelelcaro | HAUSseTIER: second, could you rephrase the problem? Is it the keyboard->key mapping that's the problem or the console fonts? |
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| 22:04.49 | ndo | Lycurgus: failed install of grub i guess? u mean. yes, diebian installer toldme its a fatal error. but ive already been able once to boot it. Debian i mean. with that failed grub install. Now i have to install grub manually i guess.what ive did in different ways already five times or something. So im wondering, what does "grub>" prompt usually mean. so i atleast can imagine what next. Cuz i dont know already anymore. |
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| 22:05.43 | Booted | How do I allow access to vnc4server? when trying to connect , it says connection refused |
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| 22:08.02 | magyar_ | hi, how can i stop this process "987 ? S< 0:00 [md6_raid1]" i tried kill -9 but no luck |
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| 22:09.01 | ndo | everyine sleeping? or is "grub>" prompt when u boot system so hopeless that nobody have any idea of what to do with that? |
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| 22:09.42 | greeg | yay! the wiki is back. |
| 22:09.44 | dondelelcaro | ndo: uh... if you get a grub prompt, grub is working |
| 22:09.59 | stew | ndo: did you run "update-grub" after running grub-install? |
| 22:10.00 | dondelelcaro | ndo: that just means you don't have a menu.lst |
| 22:10.18 | rznk | ndo: Sounds like you're missing your menu.lst from /boot/grub |
| 22:11.45 | ndo | wow guys, now i see, i was already thinking that theres something missing in /boot .. so, what do i have to do then? how doi create one or .. You know what i mean, what are thelogical steps to try tosolve it, anyone?:) |
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| 22:12.53 | rznk | been a while since I played with grub, but isn't there a setup command from the grub prompt? |
| 22:13.00 | stew | ndo: there is a howto for setting up grub in /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian.gz |
| 22:13.17 | stew | ndo: but it sounds like all you have to do now is to run 'update-grub' |
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| 22:14.18 | ndo | stew: oke stew, ill got to go to boot from livecd, to try agane, grub-install and grub-update and so on, so i guess brb:) have fun;) |
| 22:14.21 | magyar_ | how can i stop/remove an md device? |
| 22:14.47 | stew | ndo: update-grub not grub-update |
| 22:14.55 | tecky | + |
| 22:15.02 | ndo | ill find it i guess :) |
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| 22:18.14 | trash45 | Hi, I want to create a Debian-based live-CD and I'm searching for a (n)curses tool to easily configure the ethernet cards at the boot (DHCP or static). I know there was a debconf interface named Etherconf at the time of Debian Sarge (not supported anymore ?), now there is a debconf module named netcfg (to use apparently only with debian-installer and NOT on a standard Debian system, it is written on the readme with sources files). So what about Etherconf, w |
| 22:18.14 | trash45 | n Debian ? What about an other script/software to do the same things ? Thank you. |
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| 22:18.30 | skyjumper | anyone know where to find decent info on rebuilding a raid1 that contains LVM partitions? |
| 22:18.44 | skyjumper | has RTFM'd for an hour or so, with no solid answers found |
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| 22:23.01 | ndo | oke im back =] hope it wasnt boring without me =P |
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| 22:27.26 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: no different than rebuilding any normal raid1 |
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| 22:27.46 | skyjumper | you don't need to worry about it trashing the fs? |
| 22:27.52 | skyjumper | <-- noob to md/raid |
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| 22:28.31 | ndo | yes, this is indeed the case, there is no menu.lst, can it be because grub installation failed when i was installing debian? |
| 22:28.39 | ponyofdeath | hi, do i need something special compiled into the kernel for booting with root=LABEL=/ ? my custom kernel failes to find root like that but mounts the other file systems in fstab fine which use labels? |
| 22:29.11 | skyjumper | ndo: if there's no menu.list, try running update-grub |
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| 22:29.37 | ndo | here check this out http://pastebin.com/m286fea6c |
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| 22:29.56 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: assuming you mean raid1<-lvm<-fs, no. |
| 22:30.18 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: if you mean lvm<-raid1<-fs though, that's a bit different. |
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| 22:31.19 | skyjumper | dondelelcaro: you're saying md knows how to deal with lvm data? |
| 22:32.00 | skyjumper | ndo: what are you trying to do? |
| 22:32.01 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: no, I'm saying that it doesn't matter. |
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| 22:32.35 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: recovering raid1 is just a matter of taking the good raid1 device, and putting a new device in place of the bad one. |
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| 22:32.45 | ndo | skyjumper: http://pastebin.com/m3c96fe2c |
| 22:32.48 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: if you mean to recover after some kind of catastrophic failure, that's a bit different, though. |
| 22:33.24 | skyjumper | dondelelcaro: the missing disk is about 99% identical to the live one... shouldn't there be a way to recover based on that? |
| 22:33.59 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: you can just mark the missing disk as bad, and re-add it |
| 22:34.11 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: it'll then sync over, which will take a while, but it'll get there |
| 22:34.25 | skyjumper | dondelelcaro: and not re-mirror the whole thing? |
| 22:34.36 | skyjumper | dondelelcaro: i guess it's supposed to do that in spite of lvm? |
| 22:34.39 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: it'll re-mirror the whole thing |
| 22:34.58 | skyjumper | dondelelcaro: ok, so there's no way to reuse any of the missing drive's data? |
| 22:35.00 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: lvm doesn't really have much to do with it; raid doesn't care what's put on top of it |
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| 22:35.25 | skyjumper | dondelelcaro: i was hoping there was a way to scan for changes and only re-mirror those, which would require some fs logic |
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| 22:35.48 | dondelelcaro | skyjumper: it'd still have to read all of the good drive's data, and it generally might as well just write to the new drive instead of reading, and then deciding whether to write or not |
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| 22:35.53 | skyjumper | ndo: what is /media/disk? |
| 22:35.59 | skyjumper | ndo: and where are you trying to put grub? |
| 22:36.14 | skyjumper | dondelelcaro: makes sense |
| 22:36.24 | Muffin | Hello...I'm having trouble with finch. When I run finch inside of screen, it is ugly and poorly formatted...but when I run it outside of screen, it works fine. Any suggestions? Or anyone know of a pidgin/finch support channel I should check instead? |
| 22:36.32 | ndo | skyjumper: so to reinstall grub on the third, root, partition as u can see here http://pastebin.com/m443d2fd6 doi have to "grub-install /dev/sda3" right? |
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| 22:37.14 | skyjumper | ndo: grub doesn't go on a partition, it goes on the MBR (master boot record), which exists before any partitions on the drive |
| 22:37.18 | ndo | skyjumper: look, im booted in Ubuntu live CD now, so Media is my Debian root normally |
| 22:38.05 | ndo | skyjumper: but cant u install grub to a first sector of a root partition? |
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| 22:38.24 | skyjumper | ndo: if you can, i'm not aware of it |
| 22:38.27 | rznk | Muffin: Are you running finch in a terminal in X? |
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| 22:38.45 | ndo | skyjumper: im pretty shure it can |
| 22:38.58 | skyjumper | ndo: why wouldn't you want it on the MBR then? |
| 22:39.05 | skyjumper | what's the os in /dev/sda2? |
| 22:39.26 | ndo | mac os c |
| 22:39.29 | ndo | mac os x* |
| 22:39.53 | skyjumper | in that case, you may want to be extremely careful |
| 22:40.06 | ndo | im on mac mini, trying to set dual boot already view days... =[ |
| 22:40.37 | skyjumper | you should find someone else's menu.lst from a similar setup, and take a look |
| 22:40.58 | _ZeuZ_ | actually, if the mac partition is mounted, update-grub might see it. |
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| 22:41.23 | ndo | im gonna try sudo grub-install /dev/sda3 now |
| 22:41.36 | _ZeuZ_ | ndo, erm, not recomendable |
| 22:41.36 | mick_laptop | anyone know how to handle spaces in share names in /etc/fstab |
| 22:41.39 | skyjumper | ndo: to answer your question specifically, you want to "grub-install --root-directory=/media/disk /dev/sda3" |
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| 22:41.48 | skyjumper | ndo: but you probably shouldn't do that |
| 22:41.50 | stew | ndo: you don't have to run grub-install, it is already installed |
| 22:42.13 | mick_laptop | the windows admin here has a share name with a space, that i can't change myself |
| 22:42.23 | mick_laptop | trying to do a CIFs mount |
| 22:42.27 | skyjumper | mick_laptop: did you try escaping it with a backslash |
| 22:42.34 | mick_laptop | yes |
| 22:43.00 | ndo | stew: oke, its there, but what do i do now? =/ |
| 22:43.01 | skyjumper | how about a %20? might work |
| 22:43.13 | mick_laptop | [mntent]: line 9 in /etc/fstab is bad |
| 22:43.17 | mick_laptop | i'll try that |
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| 22:43.21 | Muffin | rznk: I am running finch in a terminal in X, yes. |
| 22:43.32 | stew | ndo: chroot into your install, and run "update-grub" |
| 22:43.40 | skyjumper | ndo: are you hoping to use OSX's bootloader to load linux? |
| 22:43.45 | Muffin | rznk: The xterm is in utf8 mode, and I've tried setting $TERM to screen, xterm, xterm-color, and rxvt |
| 22:44.12 | yareckon | hi guys, have a question that actually isn't a problem I'm having.....for once |
| 22:44.17 | mick_laptop | doesn'tr mount it - so i guess it is wrong |
| 22:44.21 | ndo | skyjumper: im hoping to dual boot osx and debian somehow |
| 22:44.26 | yareckon | I just installed debian amd64 from install disk, (etch) |
| 22:44.38 | stew | ndo: run "chroot /media/disk" then run "mount -a" then run "update-grub" |
| 22:44.40 | rznk | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.42 | skyjumper | ndo: if it's just "somehow", then grub should be your main bootloader |
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| 22:44.49 | skyjumper | what stew says |
| 22:44.57 | yareckon | when I run apt-get update I noticed I was just getting security updates, and didn't connect to the main package servers |
| 22:45.02 | skyjumper | ndo: and don't try putting it on a partition |
| 22:45.16 | yareckon | when I check sources.list, sure enough I only had etch security updates in there.... |
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| 22:45.51 | yareckon | is this related to not having installed the "desktop system" but only the base system at install time? |
| 22:46.16 | yareckon | shouldn't the main repos be enabled by default by the installer even if you don't get packages from them at install time? |
| 22:46.18 | skyjumper | yareckon: probably not, but it's not hard to add to sources.list |
| 22:46.24 | ndo | skyjumper: hen be it =] |
| 22:46.34 | ndo | stew: oke, trying thank you |
| 22:46.42 | yareckon | its funny to get package not found when you try to install something with apt! |
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| 22:46.53 | yareckon | a new experience on debian for me |
| 22:47.30 | yareckon | usually it's my typo, but this time, it was my barebones sources.list |
| 22:47.33 | Lycurgus | ndo: use the force, trust your feelings! |
| 22:47.47 | nohelphere | bzip2: Compressed file ends unexpectedly;perhaps it is corrupted? *Possible* reason follows.bzip2: Inappropriate ioctl for deviceInput file = (stdin), output file = (stdout) |
| 22:47.50 | rznk | Muffin: It might have something to do with the encoding and character bytes used, but to be honest I am not sure. Sorry |
| 22:47.52 | ndo | stew: Could not find /boot/grub/menu.lst file. Would you like /boot/grub/menu.lst generated for you? (y/N) |
| 22:47.59 | nohelphere | when extracting the archive of /home |
| 22:48.07 | ndo | Lycurgus: =D |
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| 22:48.21 | stew | ndo: you would like that to be generated for you |
| 22:48.34 | skyjumper | yareckon: you're looking to have all of etch's packages listed? |
| 22:48.46 | ndo | stew: if it must be done ofc =] |
| 22:49.53 | ndo | stew: here how it looks like http://pastebin.com/m2193dc9e |
| 22:50.09 | skyjumper | yareckon: i would recommend you use something like http://pastebin.com/d1178cae1 |
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| 22:51.07 | yareckon | skyjumper, you are really helpful, I actually already have done that, and everything is working great |
| 22:51.38 | yareckon | As I said on entering the channel, I'd resolved my issue, but wondered why it was set up that way |
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| 22:52.08 | themill | yareckon: if the installer can't contact any mirrors during install, it doesn't include them in the sources.list. |
| 22:52.09 | yareckon | I would assume that a good policy would to always have the main repo enabled on all debian boxes |
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| 22:52.20 | yareckon | hmmmm... ok that makes sense |
| 22:52.30 | CcSsNET | anyone got a guide for compiling kernel and getting nvidia modules setup as well |
| 22:52.32 | yareckon | I was having network issues, |
| 22:52.42 | yareckon | so that 100% makes sense |
| 22:52.47 | ndo | so as stew told me ive done and now i get menu.lst there =D yupiii now reboot and try i guess or something else yet? |
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| 22:53.48 | skyjumper | ndo: don't reboot |
| 22:53.53 | ndo | oh ok |
| 22:53.55 | skyjumper | ndo: did the osx partition get added to menu.lst? |
| 22:53.57 | yareckon | heh |
| 22:54.07 | yareckon | step away from the button |
| 22:54.23 | nohelphere | wonders if his /home archive is corrupted |
| 22:54.59 | ArthurArchnix | I've replaced icedove and iceowl with evolution, and now I want to replace iceweasel as well.. I use gnome. I need a browser that let's my watch flash video. I know opera is good, maybe safari, but I thought I'd ask about some others that are more... debian.. open, free... epiphany to me is like iceweasels slow little brother. No sense replacing weasel with epiphany, right? |
| 22:55.13 | ndo | euhm, u know what, its alittle bit bizzare, i dont know how, but whatever i doto the mbr osx keep booting up as nothing happened, so i expected it tobe like that agane =] |
| 22:55.23 | nohelphere | ArthurArchnix, firefox |
| 22:55.28 | yareckon | ArthurArchnix holy war alert |
| 22:55.29 | nohelphere | firefox ftw |
| 22:55.41 | skyjumper | ndo: update-grub didn't change the MBR, it just created menu.lst |
| 22:55.43 | ndo | skyjumper: i dont know, lets see |
| 22:56.04 | ndo | aha, oke |
| 22:56.20 | ArthurArchnix | yea.. I've got firefox now, uhh... iceweasel round these parts, but 'x' crashes and restarts randomly when using it. So.... I don't want to so much anymore. |
| 22:56.54 | yareckon | ur... that um shouldn't happen |
| 22:57.01 | ndo | would this menu.lst maybe solve my "grub>" prompt trouble? =] |
| 22:57.09 | skyjumper | ArthurArchnix: if you're new to linux/debian, ubuntu may be better for a desktop machine |
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| 22:57.51 | nohelphere | oh wow |
| 22:57.59 | skyjumper | ndo: when did you get the "grub>"? thought you said you were getting OSX's bootloader each time? |
| 22:58.07 | nohelphere | when usign mv to move something to / from my homedir it says out of space |
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| 22:59.23 | yareckon | nohelphere, your homedir isn't "in the cloud" yet? tsk tsk |
| 22:59.38 | ArthurArchnix | yareckon: no... definitely should not. I've got bugs filed against xserver-xorg-video-intel, but the strike teams' suggestions thus far have been unable to find a workaround. So.. I thought I'd get rid of iceweasel and see if that doesn't do the trick. But obviously, it's my favorite and I want to replace it with something gtk2ish that can play flash... I'm looking through synaptic now but I thought I'd ask here and see if a |
| 23:00.17 | nohelphere | wtf |
| 23:00.24 | nohelphere | now it won't even accept ssh connections |
| 23:00.34 | nohelphere | ok it will |
| 23:00.43 | yareckon | hm... I have used epiphany in the past, no big problem, but I miss the extensions on firefox |
| 23:01.22 | ndo | skyjumper: when i boot up my machine i can hold Alt key down, and choose between OSX HD and Linux HD, if i choose linux HD i get "grub>" prompt, if i go to OSX HD, its actually rEFIt, there i can choose OSX and it boots up as nothing have happened, and also ive got Tux icon there, that indicates same Linux HD, and gives same "grub>" prompt. thats it. |
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| 23:02.01 | yareckon | iceweasel3 still starts up in offline mode for me, and the workarounds don't work for me, but I stick with it because 1) I'm not seeing x randomly die (ouch) and 2) I have a high pain threshold for software |
| 23:02.24 | skyjumper | ndo: ok, you probably have the osx bootloader on mbr, and grub on the linux partition (proves you can do it). your update-grub probably just solved the problem |
| 23:02.58 | yareckon | don't know where to send you.... you could install firefox official linux package and see if it's any better... can't say that I expect the xserver-org-video-intel bug to behave better on that code though |
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| 23:03.17 | ndo | oke, soi go reboot and see, and in a view minutes ill be back |
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| 23:03.35 | nohelphere | home.tar.bz2 100% 380MB 5.1MB/s 01:14 |
| 23:03.35 | nohelphere | scp: ./home.tar.bz2: No space left on device |
| 23:03.39 | HAUSseTIER | dondelelcaro: i found a nice package "console-setup" which improves "console-tools" a lot =) it sets my console keymaps fine again and also frames are fine again ... but after starting and exiting X11, X11 (maybe xkbcomp) definitely screws up the console keymaps and font again ... only a "/etc/init.d/console-setup restart" does it set back again just fine ... so, is it possible, to set this restart-command in a X11-config file or something else to |
| 23:03.40 | HAUSseTIER | set it back automatically after each use of X11 (KDE) ? maybe it also has something to do with framebuffer, which will be reset while starting X11 ... |
| 23:03.40 | nohelphere | WTF does that mean |
| 23:03.47 | nohelphere | i *can't* be out of space |
| 23:03.48 | ndo | good idea? =] |
| 23:04.06 | ArthurArchnix | yareckon: I appreciate your thoughts |
| 23:04.09 | ArthurArchnix | thanks |
| 23:04.21 | yareckon | ArthurArchnix, you could try konqueror if you can deal with the weirdo kde widgets... it's actually a good browser these days |
| 23:04.32 | skyjumper | ndo: you're probably good to reboot now, imo |
| 23:04.48 | yareckon | course epiphany will soon be a gtk wrapper around the same rendering engine as konqueror |
| 23:05.09 | unixSnob | iceweasel still has kinks to work out... it also fails to spawn web pages by right clicking links from the terminal |
| 23:05.32 | skyjumper | yareckon: will it use gtk widgets inside the browsing area? |
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| 23:05.49 | themill | unixSnob: that would be your terminal's fault, not iceweasel's. |
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| 23:05.54 | ArthurArchnix | Isn't Konq just a utility knife for kde... last time I uesd it 3.4 or so ish kde version, it was almost ready to replace kde in terms of functionality. |
| 23:06.07 | nohelphere | home.tar.bz2 100% 380MB 5.2MB/s 01:13 |
| 23:06.07 | nohelphere | scp: ./home.tar.bz2: No space left on device |
| 23:06.08 | nohelphere | wtf |
| 23:06.11 | nohelphere | somethign is messed up |
| 23:06.14 | yareckon | dunno about that, that would be awesome |
| 23:06.31 | ArthurArchnix | :P to each their own I suppose. |
| 23:06.48 | yareckon | I know that firefox/iceweasel went up several levels of attractiveness on all platforms when they started using native widgets for FF3 |
| 23:07.05 | unixSnob | themill: it was configured from within iceweasel (I chose 'make this my default browser) |
| 23:07.05 | yareckon | would think that if it was easy epiphany folks would do the same |
| 23:07.07 | ArthurArchnix | uhoh... spammers... what's teh channel I go to again to report them? |
| 23:07.22 | ndo | okay, have a nice day/night, love ya guys. is i boot up now in debian, you have converted one guy from ubuntu to debian =] (ubuntu was crushing whilei was trying to set up a two guests in virtualbox, and set up a virtual networkbetween them, and run out of ram. X usually was hanging. so i tough debian the stable is a thing to try) =] |
| 23:07.37 | ArthurArchnix | yeah... it's very pretty now. blends in so nice. I truly wish it didn't ambush me like it seems to. |
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| 23:07.45 | joneal | probably #help or #admin |
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| 23:07.58 | themill | unixSnob: that's got nothing to do with what your terminal does. Iceweasel relies on your terminal doing something... if your terminal doesn't do it, then that's not iceweasel's fault. |
| 23:08.01 | skyjumper | ndo: well actually, if you're new to linux, ubuntu is probably better... |
| 23:08.18 | ArthurArchnix | sorry, hit close on the wrong convo |
| 23:09.08 | unixSnob | themill: the terminal did the right thing when epiphony was the default browser - and i didn't change that. I merely told iceweasel to become my default browser, and it broke something that worked before |
| 23:09.17 | ndo | maybe but i need to setup virtual netwok and ubuntu hang X =] i hope debian not going todo it, if i even boot it up someday =] |
| 23:09.45 | johnJe_ | hello, please i need some advice.. im taking a linux class, and i have a 18 pages final essay... i was thinking about how to compile the kernel, but there is really not that much to talk about.. please can someone help me with an interesting topic about linux |
| 23:09.45 | yareckon | does ephiphany have some sort of gnome special sauce that it knows about the terminal? |
| 23:09.58 | pipeline_ | Virtualbox is garbage. |
| 23:10.11 | themill | unixSnob: use the mechanisms that debian provides to change the default browser, namely either update-alternatives or perhaps your personal desktop environment settings. |
| 23:10.12 | amphi | johnJe_: udev ;) |
| 23:10.14 | joneal | johnJe_ NIS |
| 23:10.15 | pipeline_ | johnJe_: looming danger of a major subsystem author suing authors of "derivative works" (i.e. binary modules) |
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| 23:10.18 | yareckon | johnJe_, hang out in this channel and you'll get lots of interesting topiecs to talk about |
| 23:10.25 | ndo | and about browsers. i guess firefox was the one that caused X to hang when i runned guests |
| 23:10.44 | Lagbolt | pipeline_, why you say that? i think Vbox works great |
| 23:10.57 | unixSnob | just posted an autofs problem here => http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=167612 |
| 23:10.58 | amphi | pipeline_: that looms? |
| 23:11.04 | adou | hi, i tried removing apache1.3 from my server, but there are still seems to be residual files (such as /etc/rc2.d/S91apache, /etc/init.d/apache) that are still there, do i need to worry about these? |
| 23:11.07 | pipeline_ | amphi: it's only a matter of time |
| 23:11.07 | Lagbolt | Vbox runs quick, has usb2, does everything i ask it to do |
| 23:11.24 | yareckon | adou, how did you try to remove apache? |
| 23:11.33 | ndo | brb |
| 23:11.34 | pipeline_ | Lagbolt: Virtualbox is lame on performance, lame for debugging. Simics is great for debugging, ESX is great for performance, both are available under free, but restrictive, licenses. |
| 23:11.38 | ndo | reboot |
| 23:12.54 | yareckon | quickpoll: best irc client? |
| 23:13.20 | yareckon | I'm testing out lostirc in gnome.. so far I like it |
| 23:13.21 | pipeline_ | yareckon: mIRC |
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| 23:13.31 | nohelphere | gah |
| 23:13.31 | unixSnob | thanks for the tip themill.. i'll check it out |
| 23:14.30 | adou | yareckon, i used apt-get --purge remove apache. Then i noticed that the apache1.3 server was still starting up when i rebooted, so i tried removing apache-common using aptitude |
| 23:14.32 | unixSnob | finds vbox to perform well an a core2 duo 2.5 ghz w/ 2gb ram |
| 23:14.46 | adou | yareckon: i'm on irssi :D |
| 23:14.49 | jelly-home | pipeline_: hm, for workstation use, I find vbox to be on par with vmware-server |
| 23:14.54 | rznk | yareckon: Best? I am not sure, but weechat is the one I am currently using. |
| 23:14.54 | nohelphere | hmm |
| 23:15.02 | pipeline_ | jelly-home: why the hell would you want virtualization on your workstation when esx is free now :P |
| 23:15.08 | nohelphere | how do I figure out the size of a partition... |
| 23:15.16 | jelly-home | pipeline_: if wasn't a week ago |
| 23:15.30 | yareckon | mIRC page where this image is says "clean practical interface" http://mirc.cachefly.net/images/mircabout.gif |
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| 23:15.41 | jelly-home | pipeline_: and I don't have extra hardware to run ESX |
| 23:15.41 | yareckon | looks not so much |
| 23:15.49 | pipeline_ | jelly-home: you poor SOB :P |
| 23:15.56 | yareckon | though thanks for the recommend pipeline_ |
| 23:15.57 | pipeline_ | nohelphere: fdisk -u -l on the disk device |
| 23:16.28 | yareckon | I know about irissi. ... weechat, hmmm..... |
| 23:16.58 | nohelphere | pipeline_ to em fdisk -u -l isn't helpful |
| 23:17.19 | n3kl | yareckon: irssi! |
| 23:17.26 | pipeline | nohelphere: if the partition is /dev/sda1, then 'fdisk -u -l /dev/sda' |
| 23:17.40 | pipeline | nohelphere: if th partition is "/dev/sx8/0p1" then 'fdisk -u -l /dev/sx8/0' |
| 23:17.45 | pipeline | nohelphere: do you follow ? |
| 23:17.46 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 23:18.06 | Lagbolt | damn it! i mean heehee . . . |
| 23:18.15 | yareckon | irssi is in the lead... voting closes in 1 min |
| 23:18.23 | themill | !bad polls |
| 23:18.23 | dpkg | The reasons we hate polls are because: 1) they are a massive waste of IRC and bandwidth and screen real estate when asked in a 700 person channel. Did you want 700 answers? 2) They're often a prelude to isolating one helper and barraging him or her in /msg. BAD! 3) We don't care about Ubuntu, this is #debian |
| 23:18.26 | nohelphere | /dev/hda9 20000988 390716864 185357938+ 83 Linux |
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| 23:18.44 | Lagbolt | nohelphere, is that in sectors? |
| 23:18.52 | nohelphere | idk |
| 23:19.02 | Lagbolt | yeah -u is sectors |
| 23:19.07 | nohelphere | i need to shrink /swap |
| 23:19.12 | pipeline | nohelphere: the first two numbers are the start and end sectors, the third number is the number of blocks |
| 23:19.14 | nohelphere | and make /hoem larger |
| 23:19.20 | stew | themill: hi, why do you hate ubunto? |
| 23:19.29 | unixSnob | votes for irssi (w/out knowing the question) |
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| 23:19.35 | xinming | anyone here uses compiz? |
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| 23:19.38 | jelly-home | stew: its teh sux! |
| 23:19.39 | yareckon | sorry about the poll. . . . |
| 23:19.47 | ArthurArchnix | huh.. seems like every browser available either runs on the same rendering engine as iceweasel, or else is text based. Then there's dillo, but it's a far cry from iceweasel |
| 23:19.55 | stew | xinming: assume someone does and ask your real question |
| 23:20.09 | themill | stew: :) |
| 23:20.11 | yareckon | hadn't seen that bot msg before |
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| 23:20.43 | yareckon | did you have a lot of folks come in and ask what was the best linux distro, ubuntu or fedora? heh |
| 23:20.56 | nohelphere | wtf |
| 23:20.56 | adou | yareckon: any ideas about my apache problem? |
| 23:21.01 | Lagbolt | nohelphere, shrinking swap eh? is that going to really give yo much space? |
| 23:21.05 | xinming | hmm, I have 2 computers, both have compiz installed, the newly installed one can start compiz as a normal user, But another, Normal user can't start the compiz, If you login the user, and su to root, then, It's ok, |
| 23:21.17 | yareckon | adou, do you still have the binaries lying around as well, or just the config files? |
| 23:21.19 | nohelphere | Lagbolt, i just realized i have plenty fo space |
| 23:21.23 | xinming | How to make normal user also able to use compiz please? |
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| 23:21.37 | allos_nerelin | how do I decompress bz2? |
| 23:21.43 | stew | hah: "Can't use string ("Rock") as a HASH" |
| 23:21.44 | yareckon | I know that apache 1.3 is getting left out of the next version of debian (someone slap me if I'm wrong) because of obsolesence |
| 23:21.52 | nohelphere | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 23:21.52 | nohelphere | /dev/hda1 259M 258M 0 100% / |
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| 23:21.58 | nohelphere | THATS why' |
| 23:21.59 | stew | allos_nerelin: "/msg dpkg tar" (haven't we been over this already) |
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| 23:22.15 | yareckon | what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:22.25 | yareckon | adou, that is |
| 23:22.34 | Lagbolt | nohelphere, 258M eh? on /? |
| 23:22.51 | Lagbolt | i thought you said change /home |
| 23:23.13 | allos_nerelin | stew http://pastebin.com/d34a76d45 |
| 23:23.21 | nohelphere | Lagbolt,/home is ove r100gb |
| 23:23.28 | nohelphere | / is 258mb |
| 23:23.39 | stew | allos_nerelin: bzip2 isn't installed |
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| 23:24.07 | Lagbolt | nohelphere, so what is in your 258M / ? |
| 23:24.12 | Lagbolt | thats not a lot of space |
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| 23:24.20 | Lagbolt | :) |
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| 23:25.00 | adou | yareckon: i do have the binary still in the /etc/init.d/apache |
| 23:25.08 | nohelphere | Lagbolt, a 380mb tar.bz2 file |
| 23:25.14 | allos_nerelin | stew how do I install? |
| 23:25.22 | adou | yareckon: the apt remove did get rid of the /www directory.. |
| 23:25.45 | yareckon | ouch, that's like the oposite of what you want, removingthe data, not the progrma |
| 23:25.48 | Lagbolt | nohelphere, wth? 380mb wont fin in 259M how about you explain your troubles in more detail |
| 23:26.00 | nohelphere | Lagbolt, i just found them i think |
| 23:26.08 | yareckon | did apt-get complain on remove? |
| 23:26.13 | Lagbolt | found what? |
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| 23:26.27 | adou | yareckon: however, if i try to run the "apache start" from the /etc/init.d/ it can't find the apache binary in /usr/sbin |
| 23:26.33 | nohelphere | hmm |
| 23:26.40 | stew | allos_nerelin: /msg dpkg reference |
| 23:26.44 | adou | yareckon: no it didn't complain.. |
| 23:26.50 | nohelphere | im stickign the file in /usr for 2 minute stoirage |
| 23:26.58 | allos_nerelin | msg dpkg reference |
| 23:27.05 | yareckon | adou, what you have in /etc/init.d/apache is the startup script, not the apache binary |
| 23:27.34 | Lagbolt | nohelphere, why are you putting files in these places? if it is not part of your debian system put it in home. /usr is not for "storing" things |
| 23:27.50 | yareckon | if you run dpkg -l | grep apache is there anything reported? |
| 23:27.53 | nohelphere | hmm |
| 23:28.05 | nohelphere | i just realised that it wouldn't mess anythign up |
| 23:28.13 | allos_nerelin | msg dpkg reference |
| 23:28.26 | themill | hands allos_nerelin a spare / |
| 23:28.27 | nohelphere | it would work |
| 23:28.35 | allos_nerelin | @.@ |
| 23:28.36 | nohelphere | its in the home dir that id extract stuff to |
| 23:28.39 | themill | dpkg: tell allos_nerelin about reference |
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| 23:28.43 | allos_nerelin | thanks |
| 23:28.54 | cheekee | Hey!Guys! anybody had the kind of problems I had today removing resolvconf. It was a horrible experience. I thought I'd never go on the internet ever again |
| 23:29.06 | adou | yareckon: yeah, apache shows up.. |
| 23:29.19 | yareckon | ok, so a problem uninstalling somewhere |
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| 23:29.22 | nohelphere | never remove random files |
| 23:29.45 | yareckon | you can try removing it again, or just fix the fact that it's trying to start up |
| 23:29.49 | themill | allos_nerelin: no worries. You can use the "/msg" command in your irc client to talk to the bot directly. Its reply will probably appear in another tab or window. |
| 23:29.59 | yareckon | if you can remove it, you can try to add it again, then remove it |
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| 23:30.08 | davi__ | After upgrading from etch to lenny I get an graphic resolution of "1280x1024" instead of "1400x1050". The same /etc/X11/xorg.conf file is being used. Any hint? |
| 23:30.10 | yareckon | if you can't rather |
| 23:30.18 | adou | yareckon: when i try removing it, it says it's not installed ... |
| 23:30.24 | Lagbolt | davi__, what you using? intel? |
| 23:30.31 | yareckon | maybe try to add it again? |
| 23:30.32 | allos_nerelin | has thousands ... how do I get to know what the bz2? |
| 23:30.34 | davi__ | Lagbolt, nv |
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| 23:31.05 | adou | yareckon: i can try to add and remove again.. but i also have apache2 installed.. I installed apache2 before removing apache1.3, not realizing that the prior version was installed... |
| 23:31.06 | nohelphere | i found out why the file was corrupted |
| 23:31.14 | nohelphere | i mvoed it somewhere where it wouldn't fit |
| 23:31.22 | yareckon | or maybe ask someone else, cause I'm rapidly running out of help pixie dust |
| 23:31.38 | yareckon | hmm... this is not a production server I take it... |
| 23:31.40 | davi__ | Lagbolt, Driver "nv" ## That is the 2D free Nvidia driver |
| 23:31.43 | Lagbolt | davi__, nv as in the "nv" xorg or nv as in nvidia |
| 23:31.45 | Lagbolt | ah ok |
| 23:32.11 | yareckon | cause if it is you don't want to be installing things that try to bind tothe same port |
| 23:32.21 | Lagbolt | you had 1400x1050 with that? well how about you pastebin your xorg.conf and your /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 23:32.37 | davi__ | !paste |
| 23:32.37 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:32.39 | adou | yareckon: not really, i just got ahold of a vps that i'm playing with.... |
| 23:32.49 | stew | allos_nerelin: read the apt-howto |
| 23:32.56 | yareckon | if no one else can help you could just try to remove the references to apache 1.3 in the startup files |
| 23:32.59 | Lagbolt | davi__, yeah? |
| 23:33.07 | stew | allos_nerelin: (you'd install bzip2 the exact same way you did the last time you asked this question) |
| 23:33.07 | Lagbolt | did i say paste in channel? |
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| 23:33.11 | adou | yareckon: do you know how i can look at all the services that are running? |
| 23:33.49 | Sling | with ps / top /htop |
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| 23:34.02 | yareckon | don't know how to separate services from normal proceses myself, but you can tryp ps aux | grep <your search here> |
| 23:34.08 | davi__ | Lagbolt, xorg.conf http://rafb.net/p/UPbVC280.html |
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| 23:34.26 | nohelphere | stabs slow file extractions |
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| 23:34.43 | nohelphere | i have a backup on a homedir ni my homedir |
| 23:34.47 | allos_nerelin | http://pastebin.com/d69a4ba34 |
| 23:34.48 | allos_nerelin | =\ |
| 23:34.58 | adou | yareckon: nice, thanks |
| 23:35.03 | stew | allos_nerelin: /msg dpkg search |
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| 23:35.12 | yareckon | I acutally have to go adou, but good luck, you could also try to uninstall with a lower level util like dpkg and see whether it gives more info |
| 23:35.17 | allos_nerelin | \o/ |
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| 23:35.39 | allos_nerelin | :P apt-get install bzip2 |
| 23:35.41 | allos_nerelin | :) |
| 23:35.43 | nohelphere | the package name is bzip2 but /msg dpkg search is more do-it-yourself |
| 23:35.55 | nohelphere | YAY |
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| 23:36.00 | nohelphere | stuff extracted |
| 23:36.10 | davi__ | Lagbolt, X output http://rafb.net/p/ojiNMz50.html |
| 23:36.13 | yareckon | gnite peeps |
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| 23:36.43 | Lagbolt | davi__, is that entire xorg.0.log? |
| 23:36.48 | screamingbytes | Anyone use bootsplash? or installed it? |
| 23:37.19 | nohelphere | hmm |
| 23:37.33 | nohelphere | can i safely just extract /etc archive... |
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| 23:39.07 | Lagbolt | davi__, and u used nv in etch at that res? |
| 23:39.18 | Lagbolt | not nvidia? i see it commented out, just checking |
| 23:39.22 | nohelphere | wonders if his server will even come back up |
| 23:39.50 | davi__ | Lagbolt, that is the log output of the "startx -- :1" command. I have used it to open a new desktop to test it. I get too "1280x1024" in such desktop instead of the bigger resolution which I know I graphic card and my monitor and configuration file support, because I was using it just some hours ago before upgrading from etch to lenny. |
| 23:40.36 | davi__ | Lagbolt, I was using 'nv' and "1400x1050" in etch all the time |
| 23:40.39 | cursive | Hi, I was wondering how I could make it so that anyone connecting to a certain port on my machine sees a specific message. More specifically I would like to send "proxy check" to clients connecting on port 6667 of one of my IPs. How would I go about that? :) |
| 23:41.07 | davi__ | Lagbolt, I used nvidia the past year |
| 23:41.10 | Lagbolt | davi__, well i cant be certain but if the only thing you did was upgrade then i would check to make sure xserver-xorg-video-nv is still installed |
| 23:41.14 | nohelphere | gah |
| 23:41.21 | nohelphere | i have /home within my homedir |
| 23:41.27 | nohelphere | i HATE that |
| 23:41.38 | nohelphere | its hard to fix |
| 23:41.51 | nohelphere | and somewhat /var |
| 23:41.54 | Lagbolt | davi__, or maybe if it is that it doesnt support that resoution anymore? i dont know. i use the nvidia driver, never used nv higher than 1280x1024 |
| 23:41.55 | nohelphere | grr |
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| 23:42.19 | stew | davi__: have you tried "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"? |
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| 23:42.45 | davi__ | stew, good idea, let me backup the xorg.conf file and try "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 23:42.47 | nohelphere | gah |
| 23:42.49 | davi__ | thanks Lagbolt |
| 23:42.55 | nohelphere | my archive of /hoem is in /home/b4 |
| 23:42.59 | nohelphere | wtf |
| 23:43.03 | nohelphere | i HATE that |
| 23:43.06 | Lagbolt | davi__, sorry i couldnt be more help. just dont know much bout the 2d driver |
| 23:43.13 | nohelphere | hnow how will i get everythign right |
| 23:43.16 | screamingbytes | script issue? |
| 23:43.19 | stew | davi__: it will backup your xorg.conf for you |
| 23:43.25 | nohelphere | ugggh |
| 23:43.33 | davi__ | Lagbolt, no problem, you helped me a lot guiding me |
| 23:43.33 | nohelphere | della:/home/b4/home# mv * /home |
| 23:43.33 | nohelphere | mv: cannot move `b4' to a subdirectory of itself, `/home/b4' |
| 23:43.48 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 23:43.54 | nohelphere | how do I move the contents of ~/hoem to /home ? |
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| 23:44.12 | screamingbytes | nohelphere rename /home/home/ to /home/home2/ them move b4 to /home |
| 23:44.35 | nohelphere | that would work |
| 23:44.47 | screamingbytes | don't delete anything through anycommand, you may delete your /home dir |
| 23:45.31 | nohelphere | della:/home/b4/hoem# mv * /home |
| 23:45.31 | nohelphere | mv: cannot move `b4' to a subdirectory of itself, `/home/b4' |
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| 23:45.54 | nohelphere | wtf |
| 23:45.59 | nohelphere | this is messed up... |
| 23:46.16 | screamingbytes | your still in your "/home" dir |
| 23:46.36 | screamingbytes | you can't do that |
| 23:46.45 | nohelphere | no im ni ~/hoem |
| 23:46.50 | nohelphere | moving to /home |
| 23:46.58 | nohelphere | id have to move /hoem somewhere else |
| 23:47.03 | nohelphere | and thats no typo |
| 23:47.18 | screamingbytes | i caught that, is anything still in hoem |
| 23:47.24 | nohelphere | yes |
| 23:47.38 | nohelphere | myb4's homedir |
| 23:47.42 | nohelphere | b4's |
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| 23:47.54 | nohelphere | iill just move o somewher |
| 23:47.58 | nohelphere | hoem* |
| 23:49.09 | davi | stew, Now my resolution is even worse: 1024x7 |
| 23:49.09 | davi | !paste |
| 23:49.09 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:49.09 | nohelphere | next i have to move ~/etc to /etc |
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| 23:49.19 | nohelphere | dont ask why is in ~ |
| 23:49.32 | nohelphere | /etc |
| 23:49.37 | nohelphere | i have /etc in ~ |
| 23:50.50 | davi | stew, That is the xorg.conf file which it has been generated with dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org |
| 23:50.53 | davi | http://rafb.net/p/eLSRUd98.html |
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| 23:51.01 | nohelphere | della:/usr/hoem# mv b4 /home |
| 23:51.01 | nohelphere | mv: inter-device move failed: `b4' to `/home/b4'; unable to remove target: Is a directory |
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| 23:51.17 | nohelphere | rofl |
| 23:51.22 | nohelphere | wtf is wrong |
| 23:51.24 | sladi | davi: I'd add a modeline to monitor |
| 23:52.11 | davi | sladi, good idea, but that was not needed before upgrading to lenny. |
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| 23:52.35 | sladi | davi: Maybe you can switch resolution with keyboard now? |
| 23:52.40 | nohelphere | cp: omitting directory `X11' |
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| 23:53.22 | davi | sladi, of course I can switch resolution. The problem is that the best resolution supported has been limited by the configuration |
| 23:53.30 | nohelphere | wtf does cp: omitting directory `X11' mean? |
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| 23:53.55 | ndo | ok, ive booted it up,yeah :) |
| 23:53.59 | nohelphere | wonders if its safe to remove everything from /etc |
| 23:54.08 | davi | Using the configuration which I had at etch reduced the resolution supported from 1400x to 1200x |
| 23:54.09 | nohelphere | and cp everything from the backup |
| 23:54.13 | nohelphere | ok |
| 23:54.16 | nohelphere | wtf is wrong |
| 23:54.17 | truckdriver | nohelphere: it means it's skipping it. your filesystem is a mess. |
| 23:54.40 | nohelphere | truckdriver, no its not |
| 23:54.40 | davi | night, sladi. I have to sleep |
| 23:54.52 | nohelphere | it is skippign it |
| 23:54.56 | nohelphere | but its not a mess |
| 23:55.03 | nohelphere | im restorign from abckups |
| 23:55.18 | nohelphere | backups of /etc |
| 23:55.24 | nohelphere | /var/www |
| 23:55.26 | nohelphere | and .home |
| 23:55.30 | sladi | davi: night |
| 23:55.32 | nohelphere | it fails at movign directories |
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| 23:55.58 | screamingbytes | how do you check to see if your kernel contains a patch? |
| 23:56.03 | nohelphere | thinks this will never work |
| 23:56.05 | SerajewelKS | is cdimage.debian.org being slow for anyone else? |
| 23:56.14 | screamingbytes | command wise, ill read the man page |
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| 23:56.24 | nohelphere | grr |
| 23:56.28 | nohelphere | can what im tyring even work? |
| 23:56.52 | nohelphere | i have a copy of /etc from my old install |
| 23:57.05 | nohelphere | i would like to restore the files contained within this backup |
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| 23:57.11 | truckdriver | nohelphere: you can't 'mv' dirs onto existing dirs. cp -Rp might be a safer route. copy recursive, save permissions. |
| 23:58.20 | SerajewelKS | this URL is timing out: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
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| 23:58.31 | themill | works here |
| 23:59.13 | SerajewelKS | themill: links sticks at "request sent" |
| 23:59.38 | nohelphere | how do you extract a tar.bz2 archive and save the permissions? |
| 23:59.45 | nohelphere | do you have to do anything special? |
| 23:59.53 | nohelphere | when i amde the barchive i saved permissions |
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| 23:59.56 | nohelphere | made* |
