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| 00:00.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | if you have a normal kernel package installed, it should make the needed /boot/menu.lst automatically (but it's good to check on it) |
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| 00:01.19 | mr_flea_ | Is there a way that I can have the system automatically try to continue booting instead of giving me the ctrl-D or recovery console options if something fails? |
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| 00:01.46 | zamba | CutMeOwnThroat: i found the error |
| 00:01.54 | zamba | CutMeOwnThroat: it was the bios reporting the disk size incorreclty |
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| 00:03.38 | abrotman | mr_flea_: fix the filesystem |
| 00:03.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | rahsputin, according to that howto you can just use a bluetooth:// url in konquerer |
| 00:04.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think I've done that also - there you could just "download" files with konquerer |
| 00:04.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | supposing you have konquerer or are prepared to install it |
| 00:06.10 | mr_flea_ | abrotman: It's working on it, but this is a remote computer and I can't have it failing boot and not bringing up network and sshd. |
| 00:07.14 | abrotman | mr_flea_: it's not failing .. it's working on fixing hte filesystem .. i'd say to wait for that before you csause more damage |
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| 00:07.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea_, if you shutdown with "-f", the filesystem won't be checked... but I guess we're more talking about after a crash here... |
| 00:08.52 | mr_flea_ | abrotman: It originally failed to boot, and I had to physically access the machine to get it to do anything. It started fsck, but fsck failed with some bizarre error code. |
| 00:08.54 | vampirefrog | hi guys. I'm trying to see the browser requests/responses. what do you guys recommend for that? something other than firebug |
| 00:09.09 | abrotman | mr_flea_: yeah .. filesystem is in a bad state .. it needs to be fixed |
| 00:09.14 | SerajewelKS | wow network-manager is decent these days |
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| 00:09.21 | mr_flea_ | abrotman: And after fsck failed, it just sat there with the "type root password to enter recovery mode or press ctrl-d to continue" |
| 00:09.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, netcat? |
| 00:09.43 | abrotman | mr_flea_: because it wants you to run fsck manually with a different set of options |
| 00:09.43 | mr_flea_ | abrotman: But that's not the issue! I can't have it doing this in the future. It needs to continue booting so I have a chance of accessing it over SSH and fixing it remotely. |
| 00:09.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | as the simplest possible tool... |
| 00:09.48 | vampirefrog | CutMeOwnThroat: I'll check on that, thanks |
| 00:10.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, that's very crude, though : |
| 00:10.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | ) |
| 00:10.17 | vampirefrog | can you give me an usage example, CutMeOwnThroat |
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| 00:11.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | nc -p 2000 -l |
| 00:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | connect with the browser to http://localhost:2000/here/we/go.html |
| 00:11.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | or if you want to feed a page nc -p 2000 -l < page.html |
| 00:11.55 | vampirefrog | i want to see the requests the browser sends and receives from a certain site |
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| 00:12.10 | vampirefrog | http://localhost:2000/ says waiting for localhost but nothing loads |
| 00:12.22 | vampirefrog | I'm ok with simply dumping the requests in a terminal |
| 00:12.28 | vampirefrog | can't netcat act as a proxy? |
| 00:12.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, no, because netcat sits on the other end and waits for you to type an html page :) |
| 00:12.40 | vampirefrog | I can then configure ff to use a proxy |
| 00:12.41 | vampirefrog | oh |
| 00:12.45 | vampirefrog | well I need something like |
| 00:12.50 | nekostar | like |
| 00:12.52 | vampirefrog | hm wait, someone gave me an example once |
| 00:12.56 | nekostar | telnet localhost 80 |
| 00:13.03 | nekostar | >.> |
| 00:13.08 | abrotman | mr_flea_: it's going to continue to do it until the filesystem is fixed |
| 00:13.09 | nekostar | or 2000 or w/e |
| 00:13.12 | wols | vampirefrog: wireshark |
| 00:13.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, funny that you ask http://www.stearns.org/doc/nc-intro.v0.80.html |
| 00:13.30 | wols | or if you want a proxy: privoxy |
| 00:14.09 | nekostar | privoxy+tor=joy |
| 00:14.14 | vampirefrog | derr |
| 00:14.15 | nekostar | :> sup wols |
| 00:14.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, you could just sniff the packets with something like sniffit |
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| 00:14.47 | vampirefrog | someone once pointed me to a java tool that seemed to do what I need |
| 00:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, limit it to sniff only packets going from/to that host:80 |
| 00:14.59 | vampirefrog | yarr |
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| 00:15.05 | vampirefrog | let me try sniffit and wireshark then |
| 00:15.36 | wald0 | is there any tool in debian to generate a multipart/alternative mime file to after send via email ? |
| 00:16.00 | stew | wald0: mutt |
| 00:16.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, or you can just use netcat both on the browser and on the server and copy&paste all stuff from one to the other and vice-versa :-P |
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| 00:16.30 | vampirefrog | CutMeOwnThroat: I'd rather do less work :) |
| 00:16.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, if you just want to see one request/answer that's perhaps the simplest |
| 00:16.41 | vampirefrog | no, a bunch of requests |
| 00:16.52 | vampirefrog | a series |
| 00:16.52 | vampirefrog | and only headers too |
| 00:17.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, and it has the advantage that everything waits for you :) |
| 00:17.23 | vampirefrog | no, i don't want it to wait for me |
| 00:17.24 | vampirefrog | :D |
| 00:17.29 | vampirefrog | just do dumping |
| 00:17.50 | vampirefrog | is there a way to speedup package installation? it seems to take minutes just to install a few packages |
| 00:18.12 | wols | more RAM, faster cpu |
| 00:18.20 | wols | faster hdd possibly as ewll |
| 00:18.24 | vampirefrog | feh |
| 00:18.26 | abrotman | holy enter key batman |
| 00:18.33 | vampirefrog | same ram same cpu same hdd |
| 00:18.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | faster network |
| 00:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | :) |
| 00:18.45 | vampirefrog | no, it's not there where the bottleneck is |
| 00:19.00 | vampirefrog | it takes a lot to "Reading database..." |
| 00:19.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, what is it, abrobin? |
| 00:19.24 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:19.52 | vampirefrog | batman was a disoriented priest with a cool car |
| 00:20.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it was a guy with a rubber fixation |
| 00:20.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | (or is it leather?) |
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| 00:21.13 | vampirefrog | how come in the cartoon he has white eyes and in the movies he just has eyeholes :( |
| 00:21.23 | vampirefrog | dumpcap: There are no interfaces on which a capture can be done |
| 00:21.25 | vampirefrog | :( |
| 00:21.28 | vampirefrog | wireshark borked |
| 00:22.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | never used wireshark |
| 00:22.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | but normally you have to do something like -i eth0 |
| 00:22.57 | vampirefrog | hm |
| 00:23.36 | vampirefrog | should I be root? :? |
| 00:23.38 | vampirefrog | :/ |
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| 00:23.47 | danielvrf | hey, hello all |
| 00:23.55 | Nyle | hey |
| 00:23.59 | Nyle | what do you want? |
| 00:24.08 | danielvrf | me? |
| 00:24.08 | vampirefrog | we don't have any. now go away |
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| 00:24.18 | Nyle | danielvrf, yes |
| 00:24.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog, shouldn't be needed, as you don't have to go into promiscous mode to sniff your own packages... it might be "expected", though |
| 00:24.34 | danielvrf | jaja, I don't want nothing |
| 00:24.34 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat, packets* |
| 00:24.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | i want ice-cream |
| 00:24.39 | vampirefrog | "sniff your own packages" |
| 00:24.40 | danielvrf | I said hello :-) |
| 00:24.40 | vampirefrog | ahh |
| 00:24.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | ehe |
| 00:24.55 | Nyle | if you could sniff your own package |
| 00:24.56 | Nyle | heh |
| 00:24.59 | Nyle | nasty. |
| 00:24.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | vampirefrog :-P |
| 00:25.04 | Nyle | ya'll are sick |
| 00:25.05 | Nyle | :) |
| 00:25.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | I do do that |
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| 00:25.15 | Nyle | dude... |
| 00:25.23 | Nyle | no way, you can actually bend down and sniff yoru pacakge? |
| 00:25.25 | Nyle | damn. |
| 00:25.57 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat, anyway is not reffered to as 'monitor' mode? |
| 00:25.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | sure, can't you smell a pancake? |
| 00:26.08 | vampirefrog | how cool |
| 00:26.13 | vampirefrog | wireshark is working :) |
| 00:26.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, only for wireless devices, methinks |
| 00:26.20 | Nyle | hm |
| 00:26.22 | Nyle | oh yes |
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| 00:26.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | wardriving rots the brain :) |
| 00:26.38 | vampirefrog | now to make it filter http |
| 00:26.41 | wald0 | what is exactly the "boundar" of a email ? its a kind of simple random code ? |
| 00:26.55 | vampirefrog | if your package smells strongly enough you don't have to bend down to smell it |
| 00:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | ?? |
| 00:27.31 | vampirefrog | :( |
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| 00:27.47 | SerajewelKS | erm, which package do i have to configure to tell the system that my hw clock is local time? |
| 00:28.15 | abrotman | !tell SerajewelKS about set the time |
| 00:28.57 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's got UTC=no |
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| 00:29.14 | abrotman | and your timezone ? |
| 00:29.16 | mr_flea_ | abrotman: I know it's going to continue. I'm fixing the filesystem right now. I'm saying that in the event of further filesystem problems, I want it to continue attempting to boot instead of stopping the boot process at fsck. |
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| 00:29.42 | abrotman | mr_flea_: doesn't that seem dangerous to you ? |
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| 00:29.45 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: set |
| 00:29.45 | abrotman | like .. really bad ? |
| 00:29.53 | mr_flea_ | abrotman: Not when it's erroring on /home, not /. |
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| 00:30.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no aliases in that bot, are there? |
| 00:30.24 | mr_flea_ | abrotman: Can't I get it to boot in read-only mode or something? |
| 00:30.29 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: or maybe vista actually started storing UTC? hmm... |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | mr_flea_: you can hit ctrl-c |
| 00:31.08 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: you can use hwclock to check ? |
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| 00:31.19 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: no then it would have been off the other way... |
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| 00:31.54 | mr_flea_ | abrotman: I can't hit ctrl-c if I'm not at the computer. The issue is that I need it to bring up network support so I can fix the problem remotely. |
| 00:32.01 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: woot, it can't access it |
| 00:32.05 | gkffjcs_ | dose debian have ifconfig? I thought that was part of the core *nix tool set, even mac has ifconfig. |
| 00:32.28 | abrotman | in /sbin/ |
| 00:32.31 | SerajewelKS | gkffjcs_: of course it does |
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| 00:32.41 | abrotman | mr_flea_: well .. if you don't have remote terminal access .. not much you can do |
| 00:32.48 | abrotman | mr_flea_: or you just mean in the future ? |
| 00:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mr_flea_, /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh - do what you feel you must, but never come back here and complain about your shreddered filesystem :) |
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| 00:33.39 | gkffjcs_ | huh, I ifconfig gives me -bash: ifconfig: command not found |
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| 00:33.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | gkffjcs_, then it's not in your PATH? |
| 00:33.54 | mr_flea_ | CutMeOwnThroat: I make backups of things I want to keep. :P |
| 00:34.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | gkffjcs_, either because you're not root, or did su instead of su - and root has the path of a normal user |
| 00:34.45 | JordiGH | gkffjcs: It's usually in /sbin |
| 00:35.11 | gkffjcs_ | ahhha, ok, ille liik there. |
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| 00:35.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, I think as this is #debian, it's _always_ in /sbin ;) |
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| 00:35.36 | abrotman | gkffjcs_: if you're not root .. ifconfig isn't in your path |
| 00:35.37 | enouf | blizzow: you were saying something about visualization? http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=210245 ;-) |
| 00:35.59 | JordiGH | CutMeOwnThroat: I guess you could override dpkg and move it around, if you were so inclined. :P |
| 00:36.06 | gkffjcs_ | yep, there it is, yeah, I 'm not root. It's my system, I just don't care to use su all the time. |
| 00:36.19 | JordiGH | always wondered why ifconfig isn't in the path of ordinary mortal.s |
| 00:36.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, but then you wouldn't ask this type of question |
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| 00:36.53 | gkffjcs_ | thanks! |
| 00:37.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | JordiGH, except if your evil twin did it |
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| 00:37.41 | mr_flea_ | abrotman, CutMeOwnThroat: Thanks. |
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| 00:41.20 | zamba | i have a pretty old system running.. problem is that both kernels that are on the system as so broken that i can't boot either.. how can i put in a new kernel and get stuff running again? |
| 00:41.45 | wols | !rescue cd |
| 00:41.49 | wols | !rescue |
| 00:41.50 | dpkg | well, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 00:42.01 | michael_ | http://rafb.net/p/9rjeG198.html my controller keeps reseting its bus , dpt_i2o adaptec module, 3210s scsi controller external raid. It seems to happen with lots of files served to clients / being open on mysqld (/tmp files it seems) mysqld creates lots of /tmp tables, what could be the issue? |
| 00:42.04 | zamba | i have a rescue cd.. but how can i just install the kernel part? |
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| 00:43.52 | linuxguy | ok just installed debian lenny........can someone make dpkg put in the one liner to install the nvidia drivers please? |
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| 00:45.22 | michael_ | linuxguy: just fetch from nvidia.com/drivers and as root do sh NVIDI*.run |
| 00:45.37 | JordiGH | Is that the recommended method nowadays? |
| 00:45.42 | JordiGH | michael_: ^^ |
| 00:45.54 | michael_ | nvidia drivers are closed source |
| 00:45.55 | JordiGH | The nvidia installer from nvidia used to break stuff in Debian. |
| 00:46.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | linuxguy, do it yourself /mst dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 00:46.11 | JordiGH | michael_: Yeah, I know it's a blob, but we have or had an nvidia Debian package in non-free. |
| 00:46.13 | michael_ | i suppose he wants acceleration |
| 00:46.48 | michael_ | ah JordiGH right. |
| 00:46.58 | linuxguy | michael_, that way doesnt work properly.....i need the one liner from debian dpkg puts it in for me to use |
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| 00:47.02 | michael_ | never used those non-free lines to taint my sources.list before :) |
| 00:47.12 | abrotman | !tell linuxguy about nvidia one-liner |
| 00:47.21 | JordiGH | michael_: It feels a little less unholy to use non-free than to get it straight from nvidia. :P |
| 00:47.25 | abrotman | the nvidia .run package is never recommended |
| 00:47.42 | JordiGH | !vrms |
| 00:47.43 | dpkg | i guess vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky <non-free> software... apt-get install vrms, or now more accurate than the real rms in some situations such as gdb-doc and emacs21-doc :) |
| 00:47.46 | michael_ | i have never had any problems with it and i have been using it for 5 years now |
| 00:47.52 | JordiGH | 13 non-free packages on mine. :-( |
| 00:47.55 | michael_ | but the ati installer has given me nothing by problems. |
| 00:48.01 | michael_ | also i had to patch this kernel to make it work. |
| 00:48.03 | JordiGH | !radeonhd |
| 00:48.03 | dpkg | somebody said radeonhd was the AMD/ATI <FOSS> display driver for the Radeon r5xx and r6xx family of chipsets (http://wiki.x.org/wiki/radeonhd). Packaged for Debian as 'xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd' in Lenny. #radeonhd @ irc.freenode.net. For other ATI chipsets, use the 'ati' xorg driver or ask about <radeon>, <fglrx>. |
| 00:48.08 | abrotman | michael_: good for you .. don't mess up other people's systems |
| 00:48.10 | wols | michael_: that is doubtful. everytime mesa or the kernel upgrades you did have problems |
| 00:48.18 | wald0 | what is the "boundary" part of a email body, a simple random code ? |
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| 00:48.26 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:48.30 | michael_ | wols: yes i reinstall my drivers manually everytime |
| 00:48.30 | JordiGH | cheers for radeonhd |
| 00:48.33 | michael_ | recompile them. |
| 00:48.36 | abrotman | hahha |
| 00:49.06 | michael_ | abrotman: nothing messy about downloading from nvidia, its just as bad as adding non-free lines :) |
| 00:49.12 | abrotman | hahha |
| 00:49.22 | abrotman | michael_: your ignorance is showing |
| 00:49.24 | wols | michael_: please stop talking when you have no clue |
| 00:49.27 | JordiGH | Why is icedtea-gcjwebplugin in contrib? |
| 00:49.37 | zamba | what cpu do i need to at least have to be running 686? |
| 00:49.48 | abrotman | zamba: Pentium Pro |
| 00:49.49 | wols | zamba: p2 or athlon |
| 00:49.53 | abrotman | win me! |
| 00:49.54 | zamba | everything pentium class falls under the 686 category, or? |
| 00:50.00 | wols | oh yes. intel sold 5 of those too :) |
| 00:50.02 | wald0 | abrotman: "yes" for me ? |
| 00:50.05 | wols | zamba: no |
| 00:50.06 | abrotman | zamba: no .. pentium 1 no |
| 00:50.20 | JordiGH | I miss it when processor names were just numbers. |
| 00:50.27 | JordiGH | But you can't trademark or copyright a number! |
| 00:50.45 | michael_ | wols: i can use a very old nvidia installer with even the newest kernel, but i cannot do the same with ati |
| 00:50.54 | michael_ | relatively old that is* |
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| 00:51.04 | wald0 | confused |
| 00:51.10 | wols | michael_: both break your debian, what's the point |
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| 00:51.20 | JordiGH | michael_: Why use either? I buy Intel. :-) |
| 00:51.21 | michael_ | wols: explain how they break my debian |
| 00:51.24 | nhuisman_work | is there a way to make dpkg process dependencies on an user .deb pkg? |
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| 00:51.41 | abrotman | aptitude -f install |
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| 00:51.43 | wols | michael_: overwriting files (from mesa) without asking is breaking the package management |
| 00:51.53 | JordiGH | nhuisman_work: Not dpkg, oh, abrotman beat me to it. |
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| 00:52.05 | nhuisman_work | aptitude can install external deb files? |
| 00:52.05 | zamba | but i guess 486 kernels still work for 686 architectures, right? |
| 00:52.12 | wols | zamba: yes |
| 00:52.14 | michael_ | wols: right i didnt know that, sorry. |
| 00:52.19 | zamba | if not, i'm going to cry |
| 00:52.19 | JordiGH | nhuisman_work: If they're in sources.list, yes |
| 00:52.21 | wols | nhuisman_work: can yes, but usually you use dpkg for that |
| 00:52.22 | wald0 | what is the "boundary" part of a email body, a simple random code ? |
| 00:52.38 | nhuisman_work | yeah so I have a .deb I want to install but it needs some dependencies but I'd rather just have it do it for me |
| 00:52.45 | wols | wald0: it's in the header so the MUA actually sees the boundary |
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| 00:52.50 | wols | otherwise it would be random rubbish |
| 00:52.52 | nhuisman_work | so I need to add that specific deb into the apt/sources.list |
| 00:53.02 | wols | nhuisman_work: no |
| 00:53.02 | JordiGH | nhuisman_work: (1) dpkg -i user.deb (2) aptitude -f install (3) ????? (4) PROFIT!!! |
| 00:53.37 | wols | (3) beat JordiGH senseless. gives much profit for step (4) |
| 00:53.39 | wald0 | wols: i need to generate multipart/alternative body's, and i have almost it... i just need to know if i can set a random value to the "boundary" part(s) or it needs to be generated by a special way |
| 00:53.52 | wols | wald0: you've already been told. read |
| 00:53.55 | nhuisman_work | so even though dpkg throws errors saying it needs dependencies it is still in the aptitude queue? |
| 00:53.58 | JordiGH | wols: If it's funny the first time, it's funny EVERY TIME. |
| 00:54.04 | nhuisman_work | i see |
| 00:54.11 | wald0 | !MUA |
| 00:54.11 | dpkg | mua is probably a mail user agent, in other words mutt, balsa, pine, elm or any other mail client program. |
| 00:54.17 | JordiGH | nhuisman_work: Yes, dpkg will complain, aptitude will fix dpkg's complaints. |
| 00:54.20 | wols | JordiGH: yes. can't get enough beating you. GREAT stress reliever :) |
| 00:54.36 | nhuisman_work | (3) tell aptitude you don't want the first solution of uninstalling the package :P |
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| 00:54.57 | wols | nhuisman_work: then dependencies can't be satisfied. full apt-get output |
| 00:54.58 | wald0 | wols: ok, so, since the code is the same on his other parts of the body of the email, can have any name/numbers, right ? |
| 00:55.14 | nhuisman_work | wols, the second solution was the correct one which tried to install the depencies |
| 00:55.21 | wols | thinks wald0 needs to take a reading comprehension course |
| 00:55.26 | michael_ | http://rafb.net/p/9rjeG198.html my controller keeps reseting its bus , dpt_i2o adaptec module, 3210s scsi controller external raid. It seems to happen with lots of files served to clients / being open on mysqld (/tmp files it seems) mysqld creates lots of /tmp tables, what could be the issue? |
| 00:55.28 | vampirefrog | bye package smellers |
| 00:55.35 | JordiGH | Smeller? |
| 00:55.50 | wols | michael_: broken driver? |
| 00:55.54 | michael_ | the compaq disk on bus0 is /tmp and i just replaced the old /tmp disk as it seemed dead |
| 00:56.02 | michael_ | it got kicked by controller. |
| 00:56.03 | wols | a buggy driver that fucks up under load. not the first one |
| 00:56.17 | michael_ | wols: yes i thought about that, perhaps a broken controller also? |
| 00:56.25 | wols | hard to tell |
| 00:56.26 | michael_ | anyway, its adaptec driver |
| 00:56.31 | michael_ | dpt_i2o |
| 00:56.48 | JordiGH | is tempted to install Debian on his lil' bro's Eee PC. |
| 00:56.53 | wols | afaik that's one of the "bought" designs |
| 00:57.00 | wald0 | wols: sorry, english is not my native language |
| 00:57.04 | michael_ | perhaps i should try another driver then. |
| 00:57.16 | michael_ | wols: i also cannot hotswap with this driver, i think i could do that a while ago with another driver |
| 00:57.47 | michael_ | wols: for hotswap to work it needs to rescan its bus right? normally it would work without any root intervention echoing to /proc/scsi... |
| 00:58.00 | michael_ | it would just show up new disks in dmesg |
| 00:58.14 | michael_ | as it is right now it cannot find any new disks, it cannot even detect a disk change. |
| 00:58.40 | michael_ | its an adaptec 3210S, 128MB ecc, compaq external array with u160 disks, hotswap compaq frames |
| 00:58.47 | michael_ | frames=caddies* |
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| 00:59.24 | michael_ | i suppose hotswap only will work with the scsi driver as a module, wont it?, it needs to reload scsi module to rescan the bus on hardware changes? |
| 00:59.44 | JordiGH | I've had this happen before: if the hard drive gets full, X can't write to /home, and then X won't load because it can't secure an Xauthority, or something like that. Is there a way to prevent that? |
| 00:59.56 | michael_ | as it is now i cannot remove dpt_i2o its in use, cannot force remove it either. i think that worked in the past |
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| 01:01.03 | Ace2016_- | omg i think i opened the "start menu" (kmenu) for the first time since this was installed!!!!!!! |
| 01:02.37 | nhuisman_work | is there a debian 3dm2 package? |
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| 01:03.11 | deriaN | How do I check how varm my discs are? |
| 01:03.45 | deriaN | I keep forgetting the name of a program I used to use for such tasks |
| 01:03.46 | nhuisman_work | varm? |
| 01:03.47 | nhuisman_work | warm? |
| 01:03.51 | deriaN | warm* |
| 01:03.57 | deriaN | exactly. |
| 01:04.01 | JordiGH | deriaN: I think it depends on your hardware. But Gnome has a Sensor applet that could help. |
| 01:04.02 | nhuisman_work | hddtemp? |
| 01:04.12 | deriaN | hddtemp |
| 01:04.16 | deriaN | I think it was that one ;-) |
| 01:04.25 | nhuisman_work | p hddtemp - Utility to monitor the temperature of your hard drive |
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| 01:05.33 | deriaN | Could you give me a specific command nhuisman_work for checking the degrees on hda? |
| 01:05.44 | JordiGH | hddtemp /dev/hda |
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| 01:05.50 | nhuisman_work | yeah i'd guess something like that |
| 01:06.04 | wols | WTF? I just read that new radeons don't have any 2D acceleation hardware anymore. what they do instead is using a framebuffer in RAM where they prepare the picture and then copy it all into video ram. that is as fast or faster than 2D accel was... WOW |
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| 01:06.18 | deriaN | Thanks nhuisman_work |
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| 01:06.30 | JordiGH | wols: And radeonhd will support it? :-) |
| 01:06.41 | wols | JordiGH: yes. this is about radeonhd actually |
| 01:06.58 | JordiGH | wols \o/ |
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| 01:07.07 | ShaneAu | What is with the Debian-CD mirrors at the moment? |
| 01:07.08 | michael_ | its 62degrees in my laptop, my harddisk :) |
| 01:07.14 | wols | ShaneAu: wrong link |
| 01:07.15 | JordiGH | If radeonhd gets good, I'm buying ATI next time. |
| 01:07.18 | ShaneAu | In the middle of an update? |
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| 01:07.27 | wols | michael_: celsius? |
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| 01:07.32 | michael_ | wols: yes |
| 01:07.50 | JordiGH | That's a little hot... |
| 01:07.53 | michael_ | its rather hot my laptop, almost cant sit with it :) |
| 01:08.08 | ShaneAu | Wrong link? |
| 01:08.09 | michael_ | as hot as a macbook, its a dell latitude c810 with defective fans and geforce2go onboard |
| 01:08.17 | JordiGH | My cores get to 90 degrees when I do number crunching... I'm not sure if I should be worried or not. |
| 01:08.29 | linuxguy | abrotman, ive just installed lenny and the one liner for nvidia isnt working....any helpies would be great.....thanks |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | linuxguy: errors? |
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| 01:08.53 | wols | !nvidia lenny |
| 01:08.53 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 01:09.05 | michael_ | !nvidia etch |
| 01:09.12 | michael_ | i suppose it doesnt work in etch? |
| 01:09.19 | ShaneAu | From here for example: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/, it's the only place I can find the latest debian ISOs (being the primary mirror) |
| 01:09.25 | ShaneAu | But it can't even hit 1 KB/s |
| 01:09.39 | michael_ | so i have no alternative solution than running nvidias package manually? |
| 01:09.46 | wols | michael_: not needed in etch |
| 01:09.53 | wols | !tell michael_ about nvidia-oneliner |
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| 01:10.13 | michael_ | hehe |
| 01:10.15 | michael_ | i like my own kernels.. |
| 01:10.23 | linuxguy | abrotman, yes.....this one abrotman, E: Couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6-686 |
| 01:10.27 | michael_ | i dont want any precompiled kernels |
| 01:10.40 | slidesinger | I had working sound. It suddenly stopped working. There were no upgrades or changes to the system involved. I checked the mixer settings (alsamixer) and tried a shutdown and restart in case something got locked out at the system level. I tested the sound hardware using a knoppix CD and everything worked fine. |
| 01:10.44 | michael_ | i need custom kernels on laptop and workstation (thin client, with ethernet compiled in etc) |
| 01:10.54 | slidesinger | Any ideas what to look at next? |
| 01:11.21 | wols | linuxguy: dpkg just told you what to do |
| 01:11.23 | abrotman | linuxguy: contrib/non-free ? |
| 01:11.32 | michael_ | also i like a kernel booting with 8MB of ram :) |
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| 01:11.54 | michael_ | as it doesnt have to load a huge ext3 driver, only nfs root :) |
| 01:12.21 | michael_ | but it gets to 12MB as soon as i load alsa.. thats quite big |
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| 01:12.40 | linuxguy | wols, I know.....ive just tried it |
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| 01:13.14 | wols | linuxguy: you did not. |
| 01:13.18 | IsilZha | hello. i would like to try the unstable branch (currently i'm on stable). if i would find things are going bad for me there how hard would it be to go back to stable again? just change the sources file again? |
| 01:13.20 | wols | !tell linuxguy about nvidia-lenny |
| 01:13.20 | linuxguy | abrotman, yes i changed the lines by adding non-free at the end.......I did 4 this time the last 4 |
| 01:13.30 | abrotman | and contrib ? |
| 01:13.32 | wols | IsilZha: you cannot downgrade |
| 01:13.40 | wols | abrotman: no. only a deb-src line |
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| 01:13.49 | abrotman | uh ok |
| 01:13.52 | IsilZha | wols: ok. thanks. too bad. |
| 01:13.54 | wols | abrotman: since when does lenny have nvidia drivers? |
| 01:14.17 | wols | linuxguy: you are doing it totally wrong. you have to backport the drivers yourself. no other way. dpkg told you twice how to do it |
| 01:14.18 | PinkFreud | IsilZha: You can always look into schroot |
| 01:14.20 | abrotman | i thought he was on etch |
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| 01:14.52 | PinkFreud | in theory, you can do a sid install in a chroot environment, and use schroot to manage it. |
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| 01:15.10 | PinkFreud | that way, you wouldn't affect your current installation |
| 01:15.13 | linuxguy | abrotman, i was but while out shopping i found lenny on a linux mag cover disk |
| 01:15.21 | abrotman | ok |
| 01:15.25 | pablo | hi, someone uses any type of raid or how do you backup your files? |
| 01:15.38 | PinkFreud | pablo: raid is not for backups |
| 01:15.39 | stew | someone must use raid |
| 01:15.57 | michael_ | i use raid for high availability |
| 01:16.05 | michael_ | and dvd's / tape for backup |
| 01:16.13 | linuxguy | wols.........so I copy all that and paste as root?..after Ive added that line to devices? |
| 01:16.15 | michael_ | + external disks for backup |
| 01:16.36 | michael_ | tape is the only backup solution , or external disks/servers |
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| 01:16.42 | greeg | hi |
| 01:16.47 | greeg | would there be a performance increase or decrease if swap were on a slave device (while the kernel and root on master hard drive) ? |
| 01:16.50 | PinkFreud | pablo: if you accidentally delete a file, raid will not help you recover it. |
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| 01:17.07 | michael_ | the only decent* |
| 01:17.09 | pablo | PinkFreud: ahh it is only for performance? |
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| 01:17.14 | PinkFreud | pablo: hardly. |
| 01:17.30 | pablo | PinkFreud: not for disk failures? |
| 01:17.33 | PinkFreud | pablo: it's typically used to guard against disk failure. |
| 01:17.35 | stew | pablo: it can be for performance, mostly is to make it so that you can survive hardware failures |
| 01:17.40 | michael_ | greeg: normally you dont swap out much |
| 01:17.45 | monchevique | why does mark me a mistake when i try to install a game in wine doors? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/35318/ |
| 01:17.47 | stew | and it can be used for backup, but that is a rarity |
| 01:17.55 | PinkFreud | stew: er, no. |
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| 01:17.58 | stew | PinkFreud: yes |
| 01:17.59 | michael_ | greeg: i hardly use my swap at all, if not to say never, but it would increase performance if it swaps out |
| 01:18.11 | PinkFreud | stew: do explain how one can back up files using raid :) |
| 01:18.16 | michael_ | greeg: you can also do swap in parallel, if you set pri=X where X is the same for several swap devices in /etc/fstab |
| 01:18.35 | pablo | stew: yes, well to survive hardware failures is like to have a backup |
| 01:18.43 | michael_ | i wont recommend a system without swap though |
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| 01:18.49 | michael_ | if you dont have a swap the kernel kills your PID's :) |
| 01:18.53 | PinkFreud | pablo: not really. backing up data is making a seperate copy of it. |
| 01:18.53 | michael_ | to free up memory :) |
| 01:18.54 | stew | PinkFreud: i know people that have RAID1 setup with many drives, they pull a drive, take it to work, and take the one a work back home, |
| 01:19.03 | PinkFreud | stew: that's not a backup. that's a mirror. |
| 01:19.17 | PinkFreud | there's a difference. |
| 01:19.34 | pablo | PinkFreud: yeah so i made the error, i dont want a backup, i want a mirror XD |
| 01:19.39 | stew | PinkFreud: its a backup. they always have at least one historical copy of the data |
| 01:19.47 | PinkFreud | if both drives in the mirror are active, and you delete or otherwise overwrite a file, it's then gone on both copies of the mirror. |
| 01:19.50 | stew | PinkFreud: they CAN recover from rm of a file |
| 01:20.09 | PinkFreud | stew: if the other drive is out at the time, yes |
| 01:20.14 | stew | PinkFreud: then they get the copy from the drive that has been carried offsite |
| 01:20.24 | PinkFreud | stew: but then it's not a raid... it's merely a backup |
| 01:20.26 | stew | PinkFreud: yes, and i'm saying there is always at least one drive offsite |
| 01:20.41 | PinkFreud | and it's horribly inefficient, as that mirror will have to be rebuilt from scratch the next time the drive is inserted |
| 01:20.51 | IsilZha | PinkFreud: thanks. but this is a development machine. i wouldn't really like to take risks or take too much time experimenting. it still would be nice to be more up to date on programs like openoffice though. that's why i thought about trying unstable. probably i'll still look into chroot some time later. |
| 01:20.52 | PinkFreud | there are far more efficient ways to do backups. |
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| 01:21.11 | michael_ | raid1 is nice and efficient, unless you pull your disks, but who does that anyway... |
| 01:21.14 | PinkFreud | stew: it's either raid or backup. not both. |
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| 01:21.16 | wols_ | !tell IsilZha about backports |
| 01:21.27 | stew | PinkFreud: its both |
| 01:21.28 | michael_ | fastest rebuild time is with raid1 |
| 01:21.32 | PinkFreud | stew: not at the same time. |
| 01:21.34 | xsdg | michael_: what? |
| 01:21.36 | stew | PinkFreud: there are more efficient and usually more expensive |
| 01:21.43 | xsdg | michael_: how is RAID-1 not efficient when you pull disks? |
| 01:21.44 | PinkFreud | as I just stated, you break the mirror the moment you pull the disk. |
| 01:21.50 | PinkFreud | stew: usually? |
| 01:21.59 | michael_ | xsdg: the rebuild time may become larger |
| 01:22.05 | PinkFreud | I didn't think rsync cost all that much for a license. :P |
| 01:22.07 | PinkFreud | coughs |
| 01:22.08 | michael_ | xsdg: if you only have two disks and they're not in sync |
| 01:22.12 | michael_ | xsdg: argh nevermind |
| 01:22.13 | stew | PinkFreud: maybe |
| 01:22.14 | abrotman | PinkFreud: you can mark it inactive and pull it |
| 01:22.19 | michael_ | xsdg: jibberish, sorry :) |
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| 01:22.21 | PinkFreud | or, hey, how about bacula? |
| 01:22.21 | nhuisman_work | can dpkg display what package a given binary is from? |
| 01:22.23 | xsdg | :o) |
| 01:22.24 | PinkFreud | or backuppc? |
| 01:22.27 | PinkFreud | :) |
| 01:22.28 | stew | PinkFreud: bandwidth is not free |
| 01:22.30 | wols_ | nhuisman_work: dpkg -S <file> |
| 01:22.31 | xsdg | nhuisman_work: dpkg -S /some/file |
| 01:22.33 | IsilZha | wols_: thank you. how big is my risk of breaking things this way? |
| 01:22.34 | nhuisman_work | thx |
| 01:22.42 | wols_ | IsilZha: less than using sid |
| 01:22.43 | PinkFreud | stew: no it isn't. |
| 01:22.45 | xsdg | wols_: you won this battle, but you will not win the war! ;o) |
| 01:22.57 | PinkFreud | stew: rsync can back up to a second disk, which can then be pulled out. |
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| 01:23.19 | PinkFreud | stew: and it's far more efficient than rebuilding a raid1 mirror from scratch every time you put the disk in |
| 01:23.21 | michael_ | the new Samsung 1TB 7200rpm sata disk performs better than my raid5 with 4x320GB seagate 7200rpm in read mode! |
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| 01:23.38 | michael_ | and thats with fastest raid5 controller on the market for IDE, adaptec 2400a, 128MB ecc cas2 :) |
| 01:23.43 | stew | PinkFreud: for one measure of efficiency |
| 01:24.04 | PinkFreud | stew: feel free to name another :) |
| 01:24.07 | michael_ | but its a bad bench as my raid5 is ext3 and my samsung is xfs. |
| 01:24.17 | nhuisman_work | michael_, not surprising |
| 01:24.17 | nhuisman_work | michael_, your raid card probably sucks |
| 01:24.17 | xsdg | michael_: how much can you pull from a single one of the disks? |
| 01:24.22 | nhuisman_work | for ide? |
| 01:24.24 | michael_ | so not really comparable, except you get to see what perpendicular recording technology offers |
| 01:24.25 | nhuisman_work | screw ide |
| 01:24.39 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: yes its a bit slow the controller . but its the fastest on the consumer market |
| 01:24.52 | nhuisman_work | michael_, for sata the fastest are areca |
| 01:25.02 | michael_ | you dont get any better ide raid5 controllers than adaptec 2400a with 128mb ecc cas2 |
| 01:25.08 | nhuisman_work | perhaps not ide |
| 01:25.17 | michael_ | sata just has the advantage of NCQ etc. |
| 01:25.22 | michael_ | and now perpendicular read.. |
| 01:25.40 | nhuisman_work | really if you want faster read then you don't use raid 5 |
| 01:25.44 | nhuisman_work | you use raid 10 |
| 01:25.47 | michael_ | i get 100MB/s+ out of just one cheap samsung 1TB disk, but only around 60-80MB/s out of my raid5 read |
| 01:25.56 | linuxguy | abrotman, ive just tried that link and i got an error message ....this one : Connecting to http.us.debian.org|64.50.238.52|:80... connected. |
| 01:25.56 | linuxguy | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
| 01:25.56 | linuxguy | 2008-08-08 02:23:15 ERROR 404: Not Found. |
| 01:26.03 | michael_ | yes nhuisman_work of course. but i dont want to waste my space like that for those disks |
| 01:26.07 | linuxguy | oops......sorry to many pasted lines |
| 01:26.14 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: the controller can only take 4 disks :( |
| 01:26.15 | nhuisman_work | michael_, but I'm pretty sure you should get more then 80mbs |
| 01:26.16 | xsdg | michael_: the only real advantage is the aerial density |
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| 01:26.33 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: nhuisman_work i get 80MB/s at max. |
| 01:26.41 | nhuisman_work | michael_, what are you copying it to? |
| 01:26.41 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: i havnt checked if the ram on the card is faulty though |
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| 01:27.05 | nhuisman_work | michael_, so from your raid5 -> what? |
| 01:27.06 | xsdg | michael_: I get 80MB/sec out of a single 500GB disk (SATA) |
| 01:27.10 | PinkFreud | stew: no answer? :) |
| 01:27.10 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: thats read from raid5 4x320gb seagate 7200 barracudas ide, adaptec 2400a 128mb ecc cas2, dd if=file of=/dev/null on the server |
| 01:27.19 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: the black hole |
| 01:27.22 | nhuisman_work | michael_, i see |
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| 01:27.32 | xsdg | michael_: what block size? |
| 01:27.40 | michael_ | xsdg: 1MB, perhaps that is why? |
| 01:27.45 | michael_ | my stripe is 64 or 128k |
| 01:27.49 | michael_ | for the raid5 |
| 01:27.55 | xsdg | dunno |
| 01:28.14 | michael_ | i get 50-80MB/s max from that raid5, seems a little on the low end :) |
| 01:28.27 | xsdg | trying to match the stripe size might help, but I've not really used a raid-5 before |
| 01:28.29 | michael_ | its really the best controller there is for ide, and the disks arent that old. |
| 01:28.43 | michael_ | but compared to nowadays sata controller's cpu, its very slow |
| 01:28.46 | michael_ | rebuild time is 16hours :D |
| 01:28.57 | stew | PinkFreud: what was the question? |
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| 01:29.07 | michael_ | i had broken molex connectors the first week so i had like 4-5 rebuilds that week :) |
| 01:29.15 | xsdg | hahaha |
| 01:29.26 | michael_ | i prayed for my data. |
| 01:29.40 | PinkFreud | stew: You said that's 'one measure of efficiency'. I'm waiting to hear another one. |
| 01:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | I get 96.2 MB/s out of /dev/zero |
| 01:30.21 | stew | PinkFreud: how about 'ease of setup' i was just trying to say that raid can be used for backups but it is rare. there is no real point in continuing this |
| 01:30.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, interesting, now I get 986 MB/s out of it :) |
| 01:30.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | depends what you do with it afterwards |
| 01:30.38 | nhuisman_work | lets see |
| 01:30.39 | nhuisman_work | what I test |
| 01:30.44 | xsdg | CutMeOwnThroat: :o) |
| 01:30.51 | michael_ | heard about cache?:p |
| 01:30.55 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, you have to use a file at least the size of the cache |
| 01:31.04 | PinkFreud | stew: Sorry, can't agree with you on that one. :) |
| 01:31.15 | michael_ | its kind of bad.. i get as low as 30MB/s for a file |
| 01:31.17 | nhuisman_work | what's the argument? |
| 01:31.20 | michael_ | so something seems wrong. |
| 01:31.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, 2.6GB? |
| 01:31.21 | nhuisman_work | best way to backup |
| 01:31.22 | nhuisman_work | ? |
| 01:31.28 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: tape |
| 01:31.37 | nhuisman_work | best way to archive maybe |
| 01:31.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, and what cache? I doubt my /dev/zero has a big cache |
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| 01:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | or any, for that matter |
| 01:32.11 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, maybe i'm not following what you were doing |
| 01:32.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh, that's interesting, though |
| 01:32.22 | nhuisman_work | just writing a file |
| 01:32.23 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: you can make a tar directly to a tape, thats nice |
| 01:32.37 | michael_ | but you could do it to a file on a hd too of course |
| 01:32.39 | liz_ | fopen () |
| 01:32.44 | nhuisman_work | michael_, you better have tape library |
| 01:32.45 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
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| 01:32.55 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: my brother just bought one :) |
| 01:33.04 | nhuisman_work | michael_, so did I |
| 01:33.11 | michael_ | a small one, with 4-5 3-400GB drives |
| 01:33.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null count=5000000 gives me 1GB/s, while dd if=/dev/zero of=- count=5000000 >/dev/null guves ne 52.6 MB/s |
| 01:33.39 | nhuisman_work | I get 173mb/s |
| 01:33.48 | michael_ | i only get around 65MB/s read from my 15k 36GB drives each :) |
| 01:33.49 | nhuisman_work | reading from my raid 5 3ware card to /dev/null |
| 01:33.52 | nhuisman_work | 5gb file |
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| 01:33.56 | michael_ | but that samsung 1TB 7200rpm does 100MB/s+ :) |
| 01:33.59 | nhuisman_work | 128megs write |
| 01:34.09 | nhuisman_work | now lets test the areca |
| 01:34.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, if bofh can backup to /dev/null, I can benchmark /dev/zero :-P |
| 01:34.27 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
| 01:34.31 | michael_ | the scsi just has search time advantage + much higher MTBF |
| 01:34.57 | nhuisman_work | i get 1.0gb/s too |
| 01:35.32 | michael_ | i thought about using my 22 remaining ports on my dell powerconnect 2624 gigabit switch for making a huge bonding device :) |
| 01:35.38 | michael_ | for my workstation (thin client) :) |
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| 01:35.51 | michael_ | nice fat cable, 12xgigabit cat6 to my living room :) |
| 01:36.00 | michael_ | uh.. 13xcat6 it is |
| 01:36.09 | nhuisman_work | ooo the areca is so much faster |
| 01:36.10 | nhuisman_work | hehe |
| 01:36.16 | nhuisman_work | 375mb/s write on raid 5 |
| 01:36.17 | michael_ | i might as well just buy 10gbE |
| 01:36.27 | michael_ | it doesnt consume as much power as the switch (100W) |
| 01:36.28 | nhuisman_work | i think it's caching |
| 01:36.31 | michael_ | or require 22 cables :) |
| 01:36.32 | nhuisman_work | better up it to 10gb |
| 01:36.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, my one is longer |
| 01:36.38 | nhuisman_work | michael_, why would you need that? |
| 01:36.50 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: for faster disk access |
| 01:36.53 | nhuisman_work | to what? |
| 01:37.09 | nhuisman_work | hmm |
| 01:37.16 | nhuisman_work | 321mb/s write from /dev/zero |
| 01:37.39 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: i dont need that much, but i could need 2gbit boding device for my thin client |
| 01:37.53 | nhuisman_work | 1gb isn't enough? |
| 01:37.53 | michael_ | in order not to make my lan the bottleneck to my storage |
| 01:38.06 | michael_ | i get 110MB/s stable read over gigabit lan |
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| 01:38.07 | nhuisman_work | your thin client? |
| 01:38.09 | nhuisman_work | what is that ltsp? |
| 01:38.26 | michael_ | nah, homemade client. actually a thick client, sorry for the misnaming :) |
| 01:38.34 | michael_ | it does all the processing, its debian diskless |
| 01:38.49 | nhuisman_work | michael_, I get 200mb/s read for 13gb file on my areca raid 5 |
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| 01:38.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, you get 312mb/s for the version with the pipe? |
| 01:38.54 | michael_ | it has nfsroot,tmp,usr,home,nfs shares mounted over gigabit |
| 01:39.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, with the '>' pipe, that is |
| 01:39.05 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, oh let me try that one |
| 01:39.13 | michael_ | hehe nhuisman_work something must be seriously wrong with my raid then |
| 01:39.21 | michael_ | perhaps i should check the amount of ram errors |
| 01:39.21 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, 321 writing from /dev/zero to my storage device |
| 01:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, amazing - that is actually slower than some disk |
| 01:39.30 | michael_ | perhaps the ecc ram is correcting singlebit errors all the time |
| 01:39.35 | michael_ | although the status led indicator looks ok. |
| 01:39.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, I repeatedly get only 50mb/s |
| 01:39.48 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, yea but what are you writing to |
| 01:39.56 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: that is a recent controller i assume? |
| 01:39.58 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, this a top of the line raid card |
| 01:40.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, see above... |
| 01:40.00 | michael_ | not an old ide one. |
| 01:40.10 | michael_ | so you got a fast processor on it + ncq technology |
| 01:40.14 | nhuisman_work | yeah |
| 01:40.16 | michael_ | that gives you quite an advantage |
| 01:40.20 | nhuisman_work | for sure :) |
| 01:40.21 | nhuisman_work | oh wait |
| 01:40.26 | nhuisman_work | i do have a raid card on another box |
| 01:40.27 | nhuisman_work | areca |
| 01:40.28 | michael_ | so i guess it can be twice as fast as mine perhaps even 250% faster |
| 01:40.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, still /dev/null, but with a bash-pipe: dd if=/dev/zero of=- count=5000000 >/dev/null |
| 01:40.30 | nhuisman_work | raid 1 though |
| 01:40.43 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, trying now |
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| 01:40.51 | michael_ | or nah, does seem a little much :) |
| 01:40.56 | michael_ | how many disks? |
| 01:40.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, I guess that's an explicit way of saying "don't use DMA" |
| 01:41.00 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, 141 |
| 01:41.15 | michael_ | if its also only 4 disks it seems a little much, but i guess you have 5-6 ? |
| 01:41.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, although the processing done is actually nul |
| 01:41.17 | nhuisman_work | michael_, 16 500gb disks |
| 01:41.19 | michael_ | hehe |
| 01:41.22 | michael_ | explains it :) |
| 01:41.26 | nhuisman_work | :P |
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| 01:41.42 | michael_ | i can do with 3.5TB nfs shares on my laptop :) |
| 01:41.58 | michael_ | it doesnt have normal lan, only wlan, had to make the choice, only one pcmcia slot |
| 01:42.14 | nhuisman_work | lets see, I have 5tb, 5tb, 7tb, 7tb, 8tb, 40tb tape backup |
| 01:42.36 | michael_ | i got lots of 9GB scsi disks running :) |
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| 01:42.47 | michael_ | i am perhaps just being sentimental :) |
| 01:42.54 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, btw that pipe statement just writes to disk I think |
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| 01:43.02 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, I now have a file named "-" |
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| 01:43.09 | michael_ | got 18 10/15k disks running in my apartment right now |
| 01:43.14 | michael_ | mostly are 9/18/36gb |
| 01:43.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, doh |
| 01:43.32 | nhuisman_work | might as well toss them all and run one 1tb disk |
| 01:43.40 | michael_ | yes :) |
| 01:43.46 | nhuisman_work | rather, 2 tb disks |
| 01:43.46 | michael_ | i fear the power bill |
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| 01:43.51 | nhuisman_work | err 2, 1tb disks |
| 01:43.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, indeed |
| 01:44.01 | nhuisman_work | michael_, of one 1tb disk? |
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| 01:44.09 | michael_ | no.. of all those disks :) |
| 01:44.28 | michael_ | the temperature out there is 5-6 degrees over the living room :) |
| 01:44.46 | nhuisman_work | you're actually running them all? |
| 01:44.47 | nhuisman_work | why? |
| 01:44.51 | michael_ | hotspares :P |
| 01:44.56 | nhuisman_work | for what? |
| 01:45.04 | michael_ | for /usr , /home etc |
| 01:45.09 | michael_ | and raid1 |
| 01:45.22 | michael_ | hotspares for my raid1 :P |
| 01:45.28 | nhuisman_work | yuck :P |
| 01:45.30 | linuxguy_ | _ZeuZ_, Ive installed lenny now and Im having probs with the nvidia drivers.....any hels will be great |
| 01:45.43 | michael_ | actually they're shared between raid1,10,5 |
| 01:45.50 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy_, nvidia one-liner |
| 01:45.51 | michael_ | i got 4-5 hotspares |
| 01:45.55 | michael_ | just running .. hot :) |
| 01:46.19 | nhuisman_work | michael_, the thing you forgot was the cold spare in your office for when your house burns down. |
| 01:46.41 | michael_ | yes never thought about that |
| 01:47.16 | stew | replacing 18 9-36g drives would new, larger drives would pay for itself in power savings quickly |
| 01:47.22 | michael_ | i am afraid of singlebit errors and raid5 with x * 1TB disks |
| 01:47.22 | zamba | need some serious help here.. quite a lot of files under /var got corrupted (due to a faulty hard drive).. so now lots of package status is lost.. any way i can rebuild all this information? |
| 01:47.25 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: lenny |
| 01:47.26 | michael_ | with software raid |
| 01:47.30 | zamba | the directory structure is also basically borked |
| 01:47.30 | michael_ | wonder if it can become an issue |
| 01:47.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, hehe... how about of=/dev/tty >/dev/null :) |
| 01:47.36 | michael_ | and will affect the rebuild somehow? |
| 01:47.36 | linuxguy_ | _ZeuZ_, ........it doesnt work with lenny.......i was pointed to a different site and ive tried it out and it works to an extent but the screensavers are very choppy |
| 01:47.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | that actually gives me 16MB/s |
| 01:48.00 | pickcoder | run raid 10 then |
| 01:48.24 | michael_ | stew: yes they use 25W each disk |
| 01:48.27 | michael_ | 20-25W |
| 01:48.30 | nhuisman_work | michael_, do you really have data on there you care that much about? |
| 01:48.34 | _ZeuZ_ | oh |
| 01:48.35 | _ZeuZ_ | sorry |
| 01:48.35 | nhuisman_work | michael_, just burn it to dvd |
| 01:48.42 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy_, donwload the package from nvidia site |
| 01:48.48 | michael_ | Rhizome: yes i care about it, and dvd is a bad way of backing up i found out |
| 01:48.52 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: even |
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| 01:49.11 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: try backing up a diskless root to a dvd :) |
| 01:49.12 | nhuisman_work | michael_, yeah if you have small ammounts of data it isn't horrible. |
| 01:49.13 | linuxguy_ | _ZeuZ_, but will that stop the 3d acceleration? |
| 01:49.18 | michael_ | you need to tar it first at least. |
| 01:49.24 | michael_ | tape is much better for this. |
| 01:49.36 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy_, that's the official nvidia driver, wich would also bring 3D acceleration |
| 01:49.46 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy_, kinda the same you used to have with etch |
| 01:49.49 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: i have 100GB of critical data |
| 01:50.02 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: not the same .. and will break |
| 01:50.05 | xsdg | michael_: "critical"? why are you using RAID-5 then? |
| 01:50.18 | michael_ | xsdg: i dont use raid5 for the critical data |
| 01:50.20 | nhuisman_work | you better have 2x raid 5 systems mirrored |
| 01:50.23 | xsdg | aah, ok :o) |
| 01:50.24 | michael_ | thats on raid1 |
| 01:50.30 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, did not break mine... |
| 01:50.42 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: it will when the kernel updates or xorg |
| 01:50.57 | linuxguy_ | _ZeuZ_, ok thanks....will do that now |
| 01:51.04 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, as mine is a custom compiled kernel, I haven't that problem ^_^ |
| 01:51.06 | xsdg | nhuisman_work: heh, I've got two RAID1+0/RAID10 systems mirrored for my stuff that can't disappear |
| 01:51.06 | dondelelcaro | operator error and filesystem corruption are just as much an enemy of critical data as disk failure |
| 01:51.16 | _ZeuZ_ | still, it might cause issues as he sais, linuxguy_ |
| 01:51.19 | _ZeuZ_ | so beware |
| 01:51.21 | xsdg | dondelelcaro: what about operator corruption? |
| 01:51.36 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: iso standards set some pretty disturbing max allowed dir recursiveness , filelen etc, so dvd is bad for backup of OS files imo |
| 01:51.44 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: so does udf as well |
| 01:51.46 | dondelelcaro | xsdg: that's a factor with space exhaustion. ;-) |
| 01:51.59 | michael_ | with tape its all an ease. |
| 01:52.02 | xsdg | :o) |
| 01:52.04 | nhuisman_work | michael_, i'd tar it first obviously |
| 01:52.13 | michael_ | yes nhuisman_work .. tar it and genisoimage?:) |
| 01:52.22 | nhuisman_work | michael_, but I would only use dvd for about 10gb of backup |
| 01:52.28 | michael_ | yes |
| 01:52.35 | nhuisman_work | anyone here use ssmtp? |
| 01:52.44 | nhuisman_work | trying to figure out why it won't let me send mails |
| 01:52.53 | nhuisman_work | using it in conjunction with mailx |
| 01:53.01 | nhuisman_work | Cc: send-mail: 553 5.1.8 <root@hilobackup00.ifa.hawaii.edu>... Domain of sender address root@hilobackup00.ifa.hawaii.edu does not exist |
| 01:53.01 | nhuisman_work | Can't send mail: sendmail process failed with error code 1 |
| 01:53.19 | nhuisman_work | I edited my /etc/ssmtp/ssmtp.conf |
| 01:53.22 | nhuisman_work | and added my outgoing |
| 01:53.35 | linuxguy_ | huh!!.......what the hell is that big arrow for on the nvidia site? |
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| 01:53.49 | xsdg | nhuisman_work: err... the error seems pretty straightforward (unless that's a site that exists on HI's internal DNS) |
| 01:54.00 | xsdg | s#HI#UH# |
| 01:54.02 | michael_ | anyone played with setting up XBMC with linux/debian?:) |
| 01:54.23 | nhuisman_work | xsdg, oh duh i'm reading it wrong, the receiving mail server is rejecting me |
| 01:54.35 | nhuisman_work | xsdg, laugh, I just installed this box, so no it's not in dns |
| 01:54.43 | stew | nhuisman_work: is hilobackup00.ifa.hawaii.edu actually the domain name that you want the outgoing mail to have? |
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| 01:54.58 | nhuisman_work | stew, yeah it is, i just need to add it to the dns server |
| 01:55.02 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: use your ip instead |
| 01:55.05 | nhuisman_work | just wasn't reading it right |
| 01:55.15 | michael_ | nhuisman_work: the mail server needs to check your ip, its not the address you send from |
| 01:55.19 | nhuisman_work | i'd rather it come from a real dns mail. |
| 01:55.29 | nhuisman_work | sorry real hostname |
| 01:55.37 | michael_ | it doesnt matter , it only shows up in the header |
| 01:55.41 | michael_ | not in the "from" field |
| 01:55.49 | nhuisman_work | ah |
| 01:55.53 | nhuisman_work | well I'll fix the dns anyways |
| 01:56.17 | michael_ | i relay on my isp's mailserver even though i got postfix setup, as i have no reverse dns |
| 01:56.34 | michael_ | and my isp charges $60 to set my reverse dns |
| 01:57.02 | michael_ | not many people will accept mail from an ip without reverse dns :) |
| 01:57.03 | nhuisman_work | btw that doesn't fix it |
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| 01:57.09 | nhuisman_work | still says the sender address doesn't exist |
| 01:57.11 | nhuisman_work | if I use my ip |
| 01:57.18 | michael_ | what is the sender address now? |
| 01:57.26 | michael_ | try ping it |
| 01:57.35 | nhuisman_work | the ip of the box |
| 01:57.35 | pickcoder | michael_: $5 gets you DNS with direcnic |
| 01:57.44 | pickcoder | $5/year |
| 01:57.49 | michael_ | pickcoder: they're just trying to do me :) |
| 01:57.55 | stew | pickcoder: it doesn't get you reverse dns |
| 01:58.03 | pickcoder | sure? |
| 01:58.08 | pickcoder | checks |
| 01:58.09 | michael_ | reverse dns is 1minute of labour from my isp's sysadmin |
| 01:58.23 | nhuisman_work | that'll be $2000 please |
| 01:58.23 | michael_ | to set my ip to a domain i own |
| 01:58.29 | stew | pickcoder: directnic most likely isn't the netblock owner for michael_'s ip address |
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| 01:59.13 | pickcoder | I guess not.. |
| 01:59.15 | michael_ | i might as well just call that sysadmin, track him down :) |
| 01:59.16 | pickcoder | I have no rdns |
| 01:59.20 | nhuisman_work | yeah I set it to a real dns name and it sent |
| 01:59.23 | michael_ | he went to same college as I it seems :) |
| 01:59.27 | michael_ | and the same local bar :) |
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| 02:00.01 | nhuisman_work | sweet sauce, worked, now to setup amanda with this tape library |
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| 02:00.25 | LimCore | how to run a program and see how much memory did it used (peek)? |
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| 02:01.00 | nhuisman_work | top? |
| 02:01.24 | Phoul | hey, is there a way to disable the starting of things like evolution-exchange, gnome power manager.. |
| 02:01.37 | LimCore | nhuisman_work: nah. aftr it finishes. I thought that /usr/bin/time -v, but it shows 0 |
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| 02:02.10 | michael_ | Phoul: probably in gnome somewhere, but you could always remove them from the system, although not advisable except as a a last solution :) |
| 02:02.23 | Phoul | I cant seem to find anywhere in gnome to disable them |
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| 02:02.38 | linuxguy_ | _ZeuZ_, I have the driver now ......its ctrl+F1, drop down to cursor....log in, get root and install the file from there?..or do i need to do something else as well in case x server starts again? |
| 02:02.46 | michael_ | they're located in /usr/bin or /usr/local/bin normally |
| 02:03.03 | michael_ | you could move them to /root temporary, and back again if it makes anything fail. |
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| 02:03.14 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy_, nothing else exept building tools (build-essential metapackage) |
| 02:03.15 | Phoul | No... thats just trouble waiting to happen |
| 02:03.22 | michael_ | most likely |
| 02:04.10 | linuxguy_ | _ZeuZ_, ...........hhmm......i dont know how to build that :( |
| 02:04.49 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy_, no need to build, use aptitude/apt-get to install it... |
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| 02:07.46 | Adys | Anyone else having problems installing nvidia-glx? This is what I get: http://debian.pastebin.com/m22276283 |
| 02:08.17 | Garda | anyone here use an eggdrop bot before? |
| 02:08.28 | michael_ | Garda: yes state your question |
| 02:08.38 | Garda | i can't get the seen feature to work |
| 02:08.46 | Garda | it works when i /msg the bot |
| 02:08.49 | michael_ | thats a tcl script isnt it? |
| 02:08.54 | Garda | but not with !seen in the channel |
| 02:08.57 | Garda | michael_: yea |
| 02:09.17 | Phoul | are you sure you have it configured to look for the '!' prefix? |
| 02:09.24 | Garda | no |
| 02:09.35 | Garda | i thought that was just by default |
| 02:09.38 | michael_ | its just a trigger not being coded |
| 02:10.02 | michael_ | but havn't coded tcl for 8 years or so :) |
| 02:10.44 | michael_ | there needs to be a trigger in the script for both public and privmsg |
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| 02:29.45 | forkintheroad | I'm considering running Debian on my iBook G4 (1.33GHz PowerPC) with an Airport card in it. I'm concerned with knowing whether or not the wireless hardware will work. |
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| 02:30.28 | abrotman | it works in my ppc macmini with the bcm43xx and the b43 driver |
| 02:30.35 | abrotman | with firmware of course |
| 02:30.53 | abrotman | forkintheroad: were you looking at etch or lenny ? |
| 02:31.11 | forkintheroad | abrotman: Etch (4.0x) |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | !bcm43xx |
| 02:31.16 | dpkg | bcm43xx is a driver for Broadcom's wireless chipsets (http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/) included in kernels since 2.6.17-rc2, "modprobe bcm43xx" in Etch <bcm43xx-fwcutter etch>. Firmware required to be loaded before operation, ask me about <bcm43xx-fwcutter>. Deprecated by <b43legacy> in kernels 2.6.24 and later. USB devices are not supported. Disabled in Debian 2.6.24+ kernel images, driver removed in 2.6.26. |
| 02:31.46 | abrotman | i may not have exactly the same card as you .. but mine did work |
| 02:31.59 | abrotman | forkintheroad: also .. /msg dpkg ppc .. they may know more about your specific model |
| 02:32.13 | forkintheroad | abrotman: I don't have it installed yet, right now, its OS X 10.4. |
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| 02:32.33 | zamba | how does udev work together with an embedded system running of a compact flash? |
| 02:32.47 | zamba | i know it works, but i'm thinking more in the lines of writes and stuff |
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| 02:40.58 | abrotman | forkintheroad: i was just giving you the infomration |
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| 02:47.19 | forkintheroad | abrotman: Thank you. |
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| 02:49.28 | pablo | which raid type do you recommend? is the raid of the entire disk or it can be of part of it? |
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| 02:51.58 | pickcoder | pablo: what do you want from the RAID |
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| 02:52.23 | keith | software raid can use entire disks or partitions |
| 02:52.42 | keith | or you can mix and match, if you have not-the-same-size disks |
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| 02:53.12 | LimCore | how to set /bin/foo so that it runs as root whenever anyone executes it? |
| 02:53.56 | pablo | pickcoder: mirroring |
| 02:54.09 | keith | !setuid |
| 02:54.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, setuid is a bit which, when set on a program, makes the program execute with the privileges of the owner, as opposed to the person who ran it. Example: chmod u+s <file...> |
| 02:54.17 | keith | LimCore: ^^ |
| 02:54.23 | pickcoder | what keith said.. if it's hardware you normally haev to use the entire disk |
| 02:54.31 | pickcoder | RAID1 is mirroring |
| 02:54.33 | LimCore | keith: I did that, but it doesnt seem to work |
| 02:54.43 | keith | what type of file is /bin/foo? |
| 02:55.07 | LimCore | elf |
| 02:55.30 | keith | paste "ls -l /bin/foo" |
| 02:55.34 | pickcoder | thinks of a file with pointy ears |
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| 02:56.02 | fujin | W: Failed to fetch http://maxrepo.maxnet.net.nz/dists/hardy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz Bad header line |
| 02:56.07 | fujin | how can I work out wha tthis bad header line is? |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | fujin: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:56.19 | pickcoder | hardy? |
| 02:56.22 | pickcoder | heh |
| 02:56.36 | fujin | It's apt, don't be such pricks. |
| 02:56.38 | abrotman | fujin: ask #ubuntu |
| 02:56.43 | LimCore | rouslan: doesnt work. -rwsrwxrwx 1 root root 11160 2007-06-12 01:37 /usr/bin/cpufreq-set and yet it runs as user not as root when I run it from user account |
| 02:56.45 | fujin | It's nothing to do with Ubuntu. |
| 02:56.48 | LimCore | keith: ^ |
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| 02:56.49 | fujin | I'm using Reprepro. |
| 02:56.54 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@junglist.gen.nz] by abrotman |
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| 02:57.13 | pickcoder | tsk tsk |
| 02:57.15 | abrotman | fujin: Ubuntu is offtopic here, ask #ubuntu |
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| 02:57.37 | LimCore | are you sure it was not a debian problem as he written, abrotman |
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| 02:57.50 | pickcoder | LimCore: it's not a Debian repository |
| 02:57.54 | pickcoder | so no. |
| 02:58.23 | LimCore | anyway, the SUID question |
| 02:58.51 | LimCore | -rwsrwxrwx 1 root root 11160 2007-06-12 01:37 /usr/bin/cpufreq-set and yet it runs as user not as root when I run it from user account |
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| 02:59.26 | keith | paste 'file /usr/bin/cpufeq-set' |
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| 03:00.20 | LimCore | as I said, it is efl |
| 03:00.21 | LimCore | elf. |
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| 03:02.00 | keith | shrugs |
| 03:02.09 | keith | there isn't any magic to it |
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| 03:02.21 | LimCore | yet, it doesnt work |
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| 03:02.45 | keith | are your running SELinux or something crazy? |
| 03:02.48 | LimCore | no |
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| 03:02.59 | keith | lots of stuff is setuid root |
| 03:03.15 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, are you still here? |
| 03:03.25 | keith | !seen _ZeuZ_ |
| 03:03.26 | dpkg | _zeuz_ is currently on #debian (4h 8m 21s). Has said a total of 12 messages. Is idling for 58m 36s, last said: 'linuxguy_, no need to build, use aptitude/apt-get to install it...'. |
| 03:04.12 | LimCore | keith: so.. any idea why it doesnt work? |
| 03:04.54 | keith | I assume other stuff that's setuid root works? like "passwd"? |
| 03:04.59 | keith | or fping |
| 03:05.01 | keith | or sudo |
| 03:05.11 | keith | or ping |
| 03:05.19 | keith | mount, umount, etc. |
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| 03:06.07 | LimCore | works now |
| 03:06.19 | LimCore | 4755 works, 4775 and 4777 fails epically |
| 03:06.30 | LimCore | slaps man devels with a vista cd |
| 03:06.39 | keith | wow |
| 03:06.48 | keith | that's good to know.. and totally stupid |
| 03:06.59 | linuxguy | abrotman..I followed what was said about using the drivers from nvidia site.but it returned an error regarding the site.curently im on the windows pc.I cant get past a 800x600 resolution on Lenny |
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| 03:07.15 | abrotman | linuxguy: i know nothing about the nvidia.com .run file |
| 03:07.18 | LimCore | steals docs developer SSH keys and apt-get visualbasic5 on his box |
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| 03:07.35 | Agiofws | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1g0rMKMZqDg |
| 03:07.55 | LimCore | wonders is it a rickroll |
| 03:08.07 | keith | wose |
| 03:08.07 | linuxguy | abrotman, same here.i really was hoping the one liner would work out fine |
| 03:08.08 | keith | worse |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | linuxguy: not on lenny |
| 03:09.49 | linuxguy | abrotman, i know.i followed that link that was put in apart from the bit saying Devices Nvidia.shouldnt that be Devices=Nvidia or something like that? |
| 03:10.13 | abrotman | no idea |
| 03:10.34 | abrotman | linuxguy: i don't own any nvidia hardware .. thank goodness |
| 03:10.41 | Adys | Anyone else having problems installing nvidia-glx? This is what I get: http://debian.pastebin.com/m22276283 |
| 03:11.25 | linuxguy | abrotman, well im having better reults than i had with the ati 9600 card |
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| 03:12.13 | streuner | !listvals nvidia-glx |
| 03:12.15 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'nvidia-glx' by value (11): np nvidia ;; nvidia_post_etch ;; nvidia_sarge ;; nvidia one-liner ;; nvidia_legacy ;; upgrade nvidia ;; xorg disadvantages ;; nvidia_lenny ;; gf4 woody ;; nvidia_homegrown ;; nvidia upgrade. |
| 03:13.21 | streuner | Adys: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 03:13.43 | Adys | ii libc6 2.7-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 03:14.14 | streuner | oh, unstable :-) |
| 03:14.25 | Adys | Aye sorry forgot to mention |
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| 03:16.15 | Leftmost | I'm a bit confused still about the structure of Debian releases and was hoping for some clarification. I do l10n for GNOME and often find myself needing to run GNOME unstable. Is there a simple way to run Debian stable but have say GNOME 2.23.x packages installed? (Or do I have to manually fetch these and their dependencies?) |
| 03:16.20 | streuner | !+tell Adys -about sid faq |
| 03:16.20 | dpkg | told Adys about sid faq. |
| 03:17.05 | Adys | streuner: Dont assume I didn't read it |
| 03:17.31 | streuner | well, in that case you read that but didn't unterstand, just re-read it then. |
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| 03:18.42 | pickcoder | Leftmost: where do you see 2.23? |
| 03:19.10 | Leftmost | Hmm? I'm afraid I don't understand the question. |
| 03:19.17 | linuxguy | !lenny |
| 03:19.17 | dpkg | i heard lenny is the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. <testing>, or <lenny status> |
| 03:19.19 | pickcoder | 2.23 packages? |
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| 03:19.32 | pickcoder | Gnome 2.22 is in Sid |
| 03:19.32 | linuxguy | !lenny-nvidia |
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| 03:20.11 | Leftmost | Ahh, so no packaging has actually been done on 2.23 at this point? Okay, thanks. |
| 03:20.25 | streuner | linuxguy: /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny |
| 03:21.18 | streuner | Leftmost: what kind of feature do you miss vs. .23 <> .22 ? |
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| 03:22.16 | Leftmost | streuner, it's not a matter of features but a matter of changed strings for testing updated localizations. |
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| 03:26.20 | linuxguy | streuner, thanks.I will look |
| 03:26.31 | pipeline | Leftmost: best bet is either to build it yourself or use backports |
| 03:26.47 | pipeline | Leftmost: with debian stable, you should be able to use deb-src and apt-get build-dep to handle most of the dependencies before you start your actual gnome build, however. |
| 03:26.51 | Baloo | tries to figure out how to get direct rendering to work on a Radeon HD 2400 |
| 03:27.00 | pipeline | Leftmost: if garnome still exists, it used to make it relatively to build an entire gnome tree in /opt/gnome |
| 03:27.14 | linuxguy | streuner, what shuold the 1st complete line look lke please? |
| 03:27.36 | streuner | Leftmost: show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net |
| 03:27.58 | Leftmost | I don't use Debian. I'm looking into it with interest. |
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| 03:29.07 | streuner | deb-src http://ftp.<TLD>.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
| 03:29.16 | pipeline | Baloo: no mature driver available yet, IIRC |
| 03:29.36 | linuxguy | streuner, was that line meant for me? |
| 03:29.42 | streuner | szre |
| 03:29.44 | streuner | sure |
| 03:30.30 | linuxguy | streuner, whats the TLD for? |
| 03:30.32 | Baloo | pipeline: No mature /open/ driver; firegl's around too, but I'm kind of flailing like I did trying to use the nVidia driver for the first time five years ago and not sure how to continue. |
| 03:30.39 | streuner | just use uk for <TLD>, if you are in .uk or ftp.debian.org if you are in US |
| 03:30.41 | Baloo | And my X server's kinda crashing right now, BRB. |
| 03:30.55 | linuxguy | streuner, i get it now |
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| 03:33.14 | linuxguy | streuner, ok thanks.Im going over to the linux box now and I will ask dpkg to put the message in again.thanks |
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| 03:34.24 | linuxguy | streuner, ok.....can you post the src line in again please? |
| 03:34.46 | streuner | deb-src http://ftp.<TLD>.debian.org/debian unstable main non-free contrib |
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| 03:36.16 | gkffjcs_ | I have installed sudo and added myself to the sudoers file, when I use sudo is the full root users path added to mine, or can i only execute out of the root users path when i use su? |
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| 03:39.56 | linuxguy | streuner, can you please put the lenny one liner in agian please? |
| 03:40.20 | Baloo | Heh, right after I complaining that I was getting GL working, it decides to say direct rendering: yes... let's see if it's telling the truth or leading me to a lockup |
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| 03:41.20 | Baloo | Oooh, 2750 fps in glxgears, let's throw secondlife at it and see if it sticks now. |
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| 03:41.29 | streuner | linuxguy: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 03:41.45 | streuner | linuxguy: /msg dpkg listkeys nvidia |
| 03:41.52 | linuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:42.05 | Baloo | Hm, that pulls up but freezes on the login screen. Damn. |
| 03:42.37 | linuxguy | streuner, im using lenny not etch.......sorry |
| 03:43.08 | streuner | sure, that's why you shoud read nvidia_lenny |
| 03:43.15 | streuner | s/shoud/should/ |
| 03:43.18 | gkffjcs_ | where dose bash store the global path variable? I doesn't seem to be in /etc/bash.bashrc? |
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| 03:43.52 | linuxguy | streuner, so is it /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny ? |
| 03:44.30 | streuner | linuxguy: yes |
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| 03:45.03 | stew | gkffjcs_: http://wiki.debian.org/DotFiles |
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| 03:45.39 | newsense | if an install goes wrong what information should i provide for help ? |
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| 03:45.45 | newsense | any certain logs ? |
| 03:45.50 | linuxguy | streuner, ive followed steps 1 & 2 step 3 returned this error : E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.%3cuk.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 03:46.00 | Baloo | Nope, freeze. |
| 03:46.01 | Baloo | damn. |
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| 03:47.35 | streuner | linuxguy: hm, show us your sources.list in paste.debian.net please |
| 03:49.37 | linuxguy | streuner, yes ok is it http://paste.debian.net? |
| 03:49.57 | streuner | yep |
| 03:50.06 | linuxguy | okey dokey |
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| 03:52.46 | linuxguy | streuner, its here : http://paste.debian.net/14216/ |
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| 03:53.15 | streuner | there is a < in line 11... |
| 03:53.22 | sonnie | !list |
| 03:53.22 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to sonnie |
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| 03:54.01 | streuner | linuxguy: there is a < in line 11... |
| 03:54.11 | streuner | linuxguy: just edit that |
| 03:54.24 | newsense | sonnie: lol |
| 03:54.28 | linuxguy | streuner, im looking for it now |
| 03:54.36 | newsense | !list haha |
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| 03:56.10 | streuner | !moo |
| 03:56.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. aplay /usr/lib/openoffice/share/gallery/sounds/cow.wav |
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| 03:56.55 | quagga | i need to generate a patch to fix the regression in aptitude moo |
| 03:57.52 | linuxguy | streuner, thanks.......it seems to be installing ok now |
| 03:58.07 | streuner | hm |
| 03:59.16 | quagga | oh wait, aptitude has a moo easter egg |
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| 04:00.33 | quagga | an elephant being eatten by a snake. i don't think it is as artistic as the cow however |
| 04:00.59 | newsense | aptitude -v -v moo |
| 04:01.06 | bmh | hi where do i put a command that i want to be run, right at the end of the boot process, so that it's output appears right around the first login prompt? |
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| 04:01.51 | quagga | newsense: yeah, i was talking about aptitude -vvvvv moo |
| 04:01.52 | stew | quagga: tell that to Antoine de Saint-Exupery |
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| 04:02.04 | linuxguy | streuner, and for the last step do i just type this in dpkg -i debfile.deb ? |
| 04:02.08 | newsense | theres few others too |
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| 04:03.19 | pickcoder | bmh: /etc/rc.local |
| 04:03.22 | streuner | linuxguy: surely not |
| 04:03.44 | bmh | pickcoder, thankyou, thought it'd be something like that |
| 04:05.05 | linuxguy | streuner, ok what should i type in fro step 5 then please?..steps 1-4 went flawlessly |
| 04:06.11 | streuner | <nvidia_post_etch> stands for a factoid, you can just read that by using "/msg dpkg nvidia_post_etch" |
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| 04:08.26 | linuxguy | streuner, will that work for lenny? |
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| 04:09.00 | Baloo | wonders if there's something he can pass to the kernel at boot to get it to not use the stock DRI. |
| 04:09.17 | streuner | good question, but i think it will work |
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| 04:09.53 | linuxguy | streuner, was that answer for me? |
| 04:10.01 | streuner | et: please rewrite <nvidia_lenny> simpler... |
| 04:10.04 | streuner | sure |
| 04:10.18 | linuxguy | streuner, ok i will give it atry |
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| 04:11.40 | streuner | well, i didn't write the factoid and i never used that, but i trust "et" in that case... |
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| 04:13.06 | linuxguy | streuner, i got this message ive posted it here : http://paste.debian.net/14217/ |
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| 04:14.04 | streuner | linuxguy: using which command (exact)? |
| 04:14.08 | indra | good mornig |
| 04:14.16 | indra | i have guestion |
| 04:14.26 | indra | i was using gentoo and ubuntu |
| 04:14.30 | indra | i wish debian |
| 04:14.42 | indra | what is the best |
| 04:14.50 | linuxguy | streuner, i copied and pasted what was dpkg said to do and thats the message i got |
| 04:14.58 | Dan6688 | !best |
| 04:14.59 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 04:15.11 | Nyle | hey |
| 04:15.18 | quagga | Men without Hat? what? |
| 04:15.26 | Dan6688 | hello |
| 04:15.33 | indra | which version |
| 04:15.41 | indra | and way of install |
| 04:15.50 | Nyle | !tell indra -about enter |
| 04:15.55 | Dan6688 | indra: why not etch? it's the latest stable... |
| 04:15.59 | streuner | linuxguy: hm, show us that command |
| 04:16.02 | Nyle | !tell indra -about ig |
| 04:16.07 | Nyle | !tell indra -about d-i |
| 04:16.18 | Dan6688 | Nyle: Lol. !tell indra -about everything ? =P |
| 04:16.22 | Nyle | indra, you want Debian Etch 4.0 |
| 04:16.34 | indra | etch have installer |
| 04:16.36 | linuxguy | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.38 | indra | ? |
| 04:16.45 | Nyle | indra, yes |
| 04:16.53 | Nyle | indra, check your message window |
| 04:16.55 | Dan6688 | indra: It's text based but incredibly easy to follow... |
| 04:16.55 | jimisrvrox | POS Iceweasal...wont let me install addon's I dont get it...Ive got javascript turned on and everything...but the install window will come up in a good 30-40secs and then I press install and it does nothing.. |
| 04:17.14 | indra | i was using irssi i don't know how read pvt messages |
| 04:17.23 | indra | i was newer read pvt |
| 04:17.23 | Nyle | indra, /join #irssi |
| 04:17.32 | Nyle | indra, check yoru status window |
| 04:18.11 | Nyle | or any hilighted window with dpkg, or type /query dpkg ig |
| 04:18.56 | Dan6688 | Any of you use wmaker? |
| 04:19.28 | Dan6688 | Or have used and gotten tired of it. |
| 04:20.30 | streuner | linuxguy: did you run "apt-get update" yet? |
| 04:21.07 | linuxguy | streuner, even before step 5? |
| 04:21.54 | streuner | linuxguy: just re-run all steps till step 5 (nvidia_lenny) |
| 04:22.28 | linuxguy | streuner, ok |
| 04:22.42 | Nyle | 12:17 [indra(i=vladek@193.198.207.9)] ig |
| 04:22.45 | Nyle | I am not a dpkg |
| 04:22.47 | Nyle | !! |
| 04:22.47 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 04:22.52 | Nyle | dpkg, shut the fuck up |
| 04:22.52 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
| 04:23.14 | linuxguy | streuner, ok ive done that now.....no probs encountered |
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| 04:26.32 | linuxguy | streuner, should i log out \in again or just reboot the lenny box? |
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| 04:27.22 | streuner | linuxguy: well all steps just went fine now? |
| 04:27.38 | linuxguy | streuner, yes no probs at all :) |
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| 04:27.54 | linuxguy | streuner, just step 5 now i think |
| 04:28.09 | streuner | linuxguy: even the configure process for X? |
| 04:28.38 | linuxguy | streuner, ........yep didnt see any probs there either |
| 04:28.42 | streuner | linuxguy: well, in that case just log out of X and start it new |
| 04:29.07 | linuxguy | streuner, ok.....fingers crossed :) |
| 04:29.28 | quagga | i don't suppose anyone would know why wireshark would blow up on an intel 3945 wlan0 but etherape works fine? |
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| 04:30.55 | ganu | how to find an user's group in debian |
| 04:31.49 | newsense | ma groups |
| 04:31.54 | newsense | man groups |
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| 04:43.22 | greeg | make-kpkg is not a command |
| 04:43.27 | greeg | nor listed in apt-get |
| 04:43.45 | streuner | !+tell greeg -about search |
| 04:43.45 | dpkg | told greeg about search. |
| 04:43.49 | greeg | kernel-package |
| 04:43.52 | greeg | fount it |
| 04:44.20 | greeg | it would be nice if the command name matched the package name |
| 04:47.49 | greeg | how do i install a .run file? |
| 04:50.08 | newsense | get your track shoes on first |
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| 04:54.47 | quagga | greeg: sh the.run |
| 04:54.48 | Lagbolt | lol |
| 04:56.16 | Supaplex | greeg: are you trying to break your box with the nvidia driver just for kicks? |
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| 04:57.28 | joneal | hi |
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| 05:00.48 | greeg | Supaplex: what do you mean? |
| 05:00.59 | greeg | i have a custom kernel. |
| 05:01.08 | greeg | i have to add the modules by hand |
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| 05:01.59 | Supaplex | well what's the .run file for? We see a lot of people get caught in a caveat of using the nvidia.run |
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| 05:06.03 | joneal | hi |
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| 05:16.18 | Baloo | Guh. I can get 2d to work in fglrx or radeonhd, but neither with OpenGL for anything substantial. glxgears runs at 500+ frames, but second life freezes on the login screen, and no matter what happens, the second GL program run is a hardware lock. |
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| 05:19.33 | keith | hooray for ATI |
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| 05:22.48 | Baloo | Kinda wondering if there's any other suggestions or if I should just box it up and return it tomorrow, and if that's the case, a recommendation for an 8X AGP card would be great. |
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| 05:25.07 | keith | nvidia |
| 05:25.20 | Baloo | Fuck! |
| 05:25.23 | Baloo | I really hate their support. |
| 05:25.34 | Baloo | at least ATI makes an attempt. |
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| 05:29.28 | displaced | hello? |
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| 05:29.47 | displaced | does anyone understand nfsv4? |
| 05:31.05 | displaced | i have added the nfsv4 mount to fstab but it will not mount the folder at bootup. if i mount it manually it works. what did i miss? |
| 05:32.18 | displaced | when i check the logs for the server doing the export, it shows that it approved the mount from the client. but the client does not have the folder mounted |
| 05:32.28 | displaced | hmmm? |
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| 05:34.38 | Throat | !french kiss me |
| 05:34.38 | dpkg | sticks his tongue down throat's throat |
| 05:35.01 | jescis | eeww! |
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| 05:35.19 | gbear | anyone know of any tcp/ip protocol alternatives that were designed with security in mind |
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| 05:36.59 | et | udp! |
| 05:37.25 | gbear | uh i'm gonna say no |
| 05:38.10 | richo | ICMP! |
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| 05:38.28 | Caelum | what's wrong with ssl? |
| 05:39.00 | gbear | ssl sits on top tcp/ip |
| 05:39.06 | Caelum | yeah |
| 05:39.38 | Throat | security? like... what? |
| 05:39.49 | gbear | are there any alternatives to IP or even any protocol alternatives lower? |
| 05:40.04 | gbear | authentication and trust in mind |
| 05:40.35 | gbear | something a rootkit/virus/botnet/worm would be unable to communicate or propogate on |
| 05:41.00 | Caelum | unlikely |
| 05:41.02 | gbear | either from lack of usability of the protocol... or other |
| 05:41.12 | et | just block everything in layer 1 :p |
| 05:41.14 | gbear | thats why I asked... I'm hoping to find something I'm unaware of |
| 05:41.31 | jescis | I don't get it every time I start links2 it freezes and I have to kill it :( |
| 05:41.34 | Caelum | that kind of stuff is a bit too expensive to do at the router level |
| 05:41.51 | richo | I eveidently walked in halfway thorgh this discussion |
| 05:41.54 | gbear | well... lets say I had a 400k budget to link 10 computers |
| 05:42.03 | richo | but flaws in tcp/ip are most likely not what you need to stress about |
| 05:42.36 | gbear | well here's my problem |
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| 05:44.23 | gbear | I have a compromised box on my trusted network... and lets assume that all boxes have unrepairable vulnerabilities... either now or later... which is why we needed a trusted network... I'm thinking that a tcp/ip alternative designed with security in mind might be a diamond to find |
| 05:45.27 | richo | tcp/ip was designed with security in mind |
| 05:45.37 | richo | tcp/ip is not going to let you down, the services that sit on it will |
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| 05:45.45 | gribozavr | i think that you can't built such network, or it would be useless for most purposes |
| 05:45.47 | richo | and they'll be just as vulnerable if tey're talking atop some othe rlayer |
| 05:45.49 | gbear | no it wasn't IPsec was added later to try and fix tcp/ip security vulnerabilities |
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| 05:46.05 | gribozavr | that is not a problem with tcp/ip |
| 05:46.20 | richo | it's an encryption layer |
| 05:46.38 | gribozavr | you want some network protocol so that automated software wouldn't be able to make any connections with it |
| 05:46.46 | gribozavr | ant that renders the network useless |
| 05:46.56 | Throat | yes, just cut the connections |
| 05:46.59 | Throat | and nothing goes |
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| 05:47.40 | Throat | you essentially want a protocol that provides security by making connections impossible |
| 05:47.51 | gbear | close to it |
| 05:48.00 | michael__ | i want to hibernate my computer automatically, how do i do this without xscreensaver to count idle time (computer not in use) want to hibernate when not in use for 30minutes? |
| 05:48.07 | Throat | when you say "I have a compromised box on my trusted network... and lets assume that all boxes have unrepairable vulnerabilities..." |
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| 05:48.13 | et | as I said, block everything on layer 1 |
| 05:48.15 | gribozavr | gbear: so how would one really establish a connection then? |
| 05:48.49 | gbear | well... not sure... |
| 05:48.54 | gribozavr | gbear: it would be needed to have a sysadmin click "ok" every time server receives a connection request, or what? |
| 05:49.03 | gbear | possibly close to it |
| 05:49.35 | gbear | anything out there like that? |
| 05:49.35 | et | job description: keep server running by klicking "ok" many times per second |
| 05:49.35 | gribozavr | just imagine google using it for their search |
| 05:49.50 | et | -k+c |
| 05:50.04 | ganes | while creating user what is the default group for it , if i not mention |
| 05:50.17 | gbear | like the jetsons... george had to push the button all day long ;)... ok joking aside was wondering if there were any tcp/ip alternatives with more security minded design in existence |
| 05:50.44 | gribozavr | gbear: you should really define "security" |
| 05:51.08 | gbear | authentication and privacy |
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| 05:51.20 | DawnLigh1 | hello yo |
| 05:51.27 | Throat | gbear, just close all ports by firewall, except one - listen on the one with netcat - every box has to write there what it wants |
| 05:51.29 | ganes | while creating user what is the default group for it , if i not mention |
| 05:51.38 | gribozavr | ganes: man adduser |
| 05:51.38 | Throat | gbear, and then you can push the button (i.e. open another port) |
| 05:51.40 | Throat | solved |
| 05:51.51 | gribozavr | ganes: By default, each user in Debian GNU/Linux is given a corresponding group with the same name. |
| 05:52.43 | Throat | gbear, http://www.protocols.com/pbook/tcpip1.htm for an overview - you see that the security stuff doesn't happen on this layer... |
| 05:52.54 | ganes | gribozavr, can you give me some link that brief about the user & groups in linux & their default permission from other users & groups |
| 05:53.30 | Throat | with nice protocols like "TALI" |
| 05:53.46 | gribozavr | ganes: do you need some general or debian-specific information? |
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| 05:54.45 | paolo_ | is there anyway to check if a package has been installed with apt-get install or with apt-get source ... ? |
| 05:55.05 | gribozavr | ganes: for a general introduction you can read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_system_permissions |
| 05:55.18 | gbear | so I know everyone talks about the OSI reference model... but is there any information out there about the actual OSI protocols that existed before their death to TCP/IP? |
| 05:55.59 | gribozavr | paolo_: man dpkg-query; dpkg -l package-name |
| 05:56.00 | ganes | gribozavr, i need only the description about the user & groups permission in linux |
| 05:56.06 | displaced | does anyone here use nfsv4 |
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| 05:56.50 | displaced | I've got an odd problem and i'm not sure how to solve it |
| 05:57.12 | gribozavr | ganes: well, in linux it is almost the same as in any unix-like OS. do you need a description of what is every group for? |
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| 05:57.22 | jescis | displaced, just ask and someone will help |
| 05:57.41 | displaced | ok, i've got the nfsv4 shares set up on my server |
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| 05:57.49 | Throat | ..or not but then they don't know :) |
| 05:58.03 | ganes | gribozavr, it is same in unix-like OS but i didnt know about the UID & GID |
| 05:58.03 | Throat | no other way to find out than to ask, though |
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| 05:58.15 | displaced | i've got one machine that will mount the folder into the file system on boot |
| 05:58.36 | displaced | i've got two more that will not. they are configured exactly alike as far as i can tell |
| 05:58.43 | displaced | all 3 machines |
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| 05:58.50 | gbear | alright... well back to the reference material... thanks for the conversation though |
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| 05:59.03 | gribozavr | ganes: so read that wikipedia article, it is just about that. or you'll need some basic unix book. anyone knows of a good source of such information in english?.. |
| 05:59.03 | displaced | the nfs mount is setup in the /etc/fstab file |
| 05:59.06 | paolo_ | gribozavr: ic means from source? |
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| 05:59.30 | displaced | exactly the same way on all 3 machines |
| 05:59.36 | gribozavr | paolo_: sorry, didn't understand you... |
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| 06:00.00 | ganes | gribozavr, while creating new user , i want to add it in a existing group group |
| 06:00.01 | displaced | the server logs show all of the machines machines asking for and getting permission to mount the folder |
| 06:00.08 | paolo_ | gribozavr: how to check if a package has been installed with apt-get source? dpkg -l would give me ic in front of it? |
| 06:00.20 | displaced | but only one actually mounts the folder |
| 06:00.30 | Throat | displaced, does the server allow it for all the machines? |
| 06:00.37 | gribozavr | paolo_: afaik, it should print "ii" |
| 06:00.48 | displaced | the server allows it for all the machines on the network |
| 06:00.49 | Throat | displaced, and is portmapper access allowed for all the machines? |
| 06:00.57 | paolo_ | gribozavr: I thought that ii would be for a package installed with apt-get install |
| 06:01.13 | displaced | if i manually mount the folder from these machines, they mount it |
| 06:01.32 | displaced | mount 10.0.0.2:/home /home works |
| 06:01.34 | Throat | displaced, you could test if it's the server in some way by switching the ip's of two machines |
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| 06:01.44 | Throat | displaced, oh? |
| 06:01.53 | Throat | displaced, but that means mount works... |
| 06:01.57 | displaced | right |
| 06:02.07 | gribozavr | ganes: just use adduser --gid XXX username, i think |
| 06:02.17 | displaced | but when i reboot them, the /home directory is not mounted |
| 06:02.31 | Throat | sounds like some runtime-thingy |
| 06:02.34 | displaced | if i then tell it to mount it maually, it mounts |
| 06:02.41 | displaced | manually |
| 06:02.57 | Throat | perhaps some kernel-module's not loaded at that time |
| 06:03.06 | Throat | or udev not yet in place to do so? |
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| 06:03.12 | displaced | that's what i'm thinking, but i'm not sure which one it would be |
| 06:03.41 | Throat | dmesg or /var/log/messages? |
| 06:03.42 | displaced | here's the way these machines were set up |
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| 06:03.50 | displaced | didn't think of dmesg |
| 06:03.52 | displaced | hmmm |
| 06:04.11 | jescis | how do I see why links2 freezes when it does? |
| 06:04.14 | displaced | hang on a sec |
| 06:04.28 | displaced | links2 , the game? |
| 06:04.31 | Throat | nope |
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| 06:05.08 | Throat | I'm off to bed... |
| 06:05.12 | jescis | displaced, no, links2 the web browser for cli ;) |
| 06:05.22 | displaced | i see that, just looked it up |
| 06:05.25 | displaced | sorry |
| 06:05.42 | jescis | hehe it's ok :) |
| 06:06.26 | displaced | is there a log file for it? |
| 06:08.06 | Throat | hehe |
| 06:08.11 | Throat | !be nfs barbie |
| 06:08.11 | dpkg | But nfs is soooooo hard! :`( Ken, call me a waaaaahbulance *cry* |
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| 06:08.39 | displaced | actually standard nfs isn't that hard. nfsv4 is a mess |
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| 06:09.02 | displaced | export a virtual file system? who comes up with this? |
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| 06:09.23 | Throat | did you read the README |
| 06:09.27 | Throat | !nfsv4 |
| 06:09.27 | dpkg | it has been said that nfsv4 is at /usr/share/doc/nfs-common/README.Debian.nfsv4 |
| 06:09.44 | Throat | there's one more factoid |
| 06:09.49 | Throat | !nfs4 |
| 06:09.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, nfs4 is http://helix360.de/tutorials/nfsv4/9/ |
| 06:10.00 | displaced | i didn't read that one, no. but i did read every damned website i could find on it |
| 06:10.21 | Baloo | OK, reinstalled the old nVidia, will probably (reluctantly) get another nVidia tomorrow if I can find an 8X AGP one that has a little more oomph than this POS FX5500 |
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| 06:11.21 | Throat | well, maybe useful to read the Debian readme... |
| 06:11.25 | Throat | ok, nite |
| 06:11.29 | displaced | the best you are going to find is a new nvidia 6250 |
| 06:11.44 | displaced | got 3 of them about 2 weeks ago |
| 06:12.04 | displaced | where as a cheap pcie card will smoke it |
| 06:12.44 | displaced | got a pcie nvidia 8400 for $50, my 6250s with 512 were $117 |
| 06:13.03 | displaced | thanks Throat |
| 06:13.04 | jescis | displaced, I don't see it in /var/log :/ |
| 06:13.11 | rahsputin | my friend says that it is possible to have a 3D Desktop like one you can move around like a cube where there are on each side of the cube different workingspaces with a PII and a non 3D Graphic Card, is it possible ? |
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| 06:13.31 | displaced | jescis, it may not store the file there |
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| 06:13.51 | displaced | beryl is waht he's talking about. look it up on you tube |
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| 06:13.57 | displaced | youtube |
| 06:14.17 | wols_ | rahsputin: the PII part is stretching it |
| 06:14.24 | wols_ | displaced: beryl does not exist |
| 06:14.33 | jescis | displaced, beryl is the old one. It's compiz-fusion now :) |
| 06:14.34 | wols_ | rahsputin: what debian version? |
| 06:14.43 | displaced | hmmm |
| 06:14.59 | behrad | i want first announce that ian mrdock wrote for make new distro |
| 06:15.03 | rahsputin | i have here, etch |
| 06:15.26 | wols_ | rahsputin: apt-cache search compiz. but it'S a very old version so not really recommended |
| 06:15.32 | rahsputin | she was saying that it is possible to do this on an old machine, i couldn't believe her |
| 06:15.51 | wols_ | rahsputin: also, what videocard with what driver (e.g. what does "glxinfo |grep -i direct" say?) |
| 06:15.53 | rahsputin | i allready asked dpkg about beryl... |
| 06:16.08 | displaced | sweet! |
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| 06:16.18 | displaced | i don't see me using it though |
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| 06:16.32 | displaced | i've got two monitors and that would give me a headache |
| 06:16.58 | rahsputin | me too, i am just curious :D |
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| 06:17.39 | jescis | rahsputin, my friend has an old HP and can do those things ;) |
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| 06:18.24 | rahsputin | would be kool with a touch screen though :D |
| 06:18.46 | displaced | they demonstrate that with beryl |
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| 06:19.14 | jescis | rahsputin, my friends pc is an old HP pavillian 7935 ;) |
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| 06:20.01 | rahsputin | i look that up jescis ... i got an oldtimer here too :D |
| 06:20.19 | displaced | i've got a few old ones |
| 06:20.23 | displaced | about 30 |
| 06:20.34 | displaced | then i got about another 15 not so old |
| 06:20.51 | displaced | and a few that are like built over the summer |
| 06:21.02 | jescis | displaced, I have two dells. one's a pII and the other's a pIII |
| 06:21.04 | displaced | i run a private school network |
| 06:21.26 | displaced | i personally don't own a single oem box |
| 06:21.38 | displaced | i've built all of mine |
| 06:21.44 | rahsputin | wow... where i live are many companys that throw away there computers every 2 years... and we go out and collect " the trash " |
| 06:21.45 | rahsputin | :D |
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| 06:21.50 | mr_flea_ | I ran the 180MB business card amd64 installer and attempted to install into my old i686 installation's logical volume. Unfortunately, the new install fails to boot because it can't seem to find the volume group. Any ideas? |
| 06:21.55 | rahsputin | wow |
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| 06:22.26 | PhrkOnLsh | I just updated my kernel to .25-2-686 from lenny.... naturally my proprietary nvidia drivers are invalid now. I ran the NVIDIA installer but before it was able to build the kernel modules it decided that I was running a Xen kernel! But this isn't the case, I run a 686 kernel. Does anyone have a clue as to what's happening? |
| 06:22.44 | jescis | displaced, the one I'm using Debioan on(the one that I'm currently talking using irssi on) is one I built myself :) |
| 06:22.49 | displaced | leg cramping, be back in a few. gotta take a walk |
| 06:23.13 | wols_ | PhrkOnLsh: we don't support nvidia.com installers |
| 06:23.15 | displaced | there's a xen patch for that issue |
| 06:23.29 | PhrkOnLsh | wols_: well, who does? |
| 06:23.40 | wols_ | #nvidia |
| 06:23.47 | displaced | do a search for it, you will find it |
| 06:23.47 | PhrkOnLsh | I figured it's a debian isue I'm having, maybe #debian could help |
| 06:23.58 | displaced | and nvidia doesn't support it. that's a debian kernel issue |
| 06:24.07 | PhrkOnLsh | exactly |
| 06:24.27 | PhrkOnLsh | well, I can't really search very well without a GUI... |
| 06:24.31 | jescis | smells a catch-22 :/ |
| 06:24.36 | displaced | debian decided to make all of their kernel xen compatible. throws the nvidia drivers into a fit |
| 06:25.01 | PhrkOnLsh | displaced, where should I search? debian bts? |
| 06:25.34 | displaced | do a search on google for the exact error, and you will find it in various debian graphics sites |
| 06:25.42 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
| 06:25.53 | jescis | PhrkOnLsh, why can't you? is cli apps too hard? links2 is great |
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| 06:26.00 | displaced | there's actually a two line script that gets around it. i don't use anything but nvidia and i saw this about 2 weeks ago |
| 06:26.41 | displaced | i teach blender 3d in my classes |
| 06:27.05 | displaced | and having a $200 video card that i can't use, pisses me off |
| 06:27.14 | PhrkOnLsh | jescis: Cause i'm not a hacker, so much as a user |
| 06:27.25 | PhrkOnLsh | lynx and links2 doesn't really "work" for me |
| 06:27.46 | displaced | go into your xorg.conf file and set the video to vesa |
| 06:28.00 | displaced | it'll get you up and running so you can use a "gui" |
| 06:28.11 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
| 06:28.14 | displaced | then look it up, you'll find it |
| 06:28.18 | jescis | PhrkOnLsh, neither am I. I just do things till something works(or ask if I can't figure it out myself :p) |
| 06:28.25 | displaced | brb |
| 06:28.27 | PhrkOnLsh | meh, I got it |
| 06:28.44 | PhrkOnLsh | lynx makes my head hurt, but it works |
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| 06:28.56 | nonfatmatt | i'm a fan of links |
| 06:29.13 | jescis | links2 has graphics option too |
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| 06:29.56 | jescis | links2 -g == great framebuffer no frills web browser |
| 06:30.08 | tarzeau | too |
| 06:30.21 | tarzeau | displaced: have you tried mm3d? |
| 06:30.28 | tarzeau | displaced: do you playe sauerbraten.org ? |
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| 06:31.05 | displaced | i don't play |
| 06:31.46 | gromgull | Since yesterday my box wont boot - it says "init id X respawning too fast" for each getty line in inittab - also X doesn't start complaining that no terminal was found |
| 06:31.49 | displaced | i've got one of my machines dual booting windows and linux, just so i can play games. i haven't used windows in 3 months |
| 06:31.52 | jescis | likes knowing displaced is a linux/unix tools based teacher ;) |
| 06:32.01 | gromgull | Any idea how I can restore these terminals? |
| 06:32.32 | rahsputin | PhrkOnLsh http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481485 might be of help i hope |
| 06:32.42 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah, I was reading that |
| 06:32.52 | rahsputin | :D |
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| 06:33.23 | jescis | gromgull, did you try going to a tty by hitting "ctrl+alt+f1-F6"? |
| 06:33.51 | PhrkOnLsh | how do I save a file in lynx? |
| 06:34.00 | PhrkOnLsh | an open file |
| 06:34.04 | PhrkOnLsh | not a link or anything |
| 06:34.25 | PhrkOnLsh | lynx opened the NVIDIA script I'd like to try instead of saving it... |
| 06:34.33 | jescis | gromgull, then running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 06:35.25 | gromgull | jescis - yes, there are no login prompts |
| 06:35.36 | PhrkOnLsh | d |
| 06:35.41 | PhrkOnLsh | jesus I'm tired |
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| 06:36.07 | gromgull | jescis - i can get in by booting with init=/bin/sh |
| 06:36.42 | jescis | gromgull, then I'd do that, then reconfigure X |
| 06:36.43 | gromgull | i suspect the init errors are because getty can't find the tty either and this is the root problem... it was fine yesterday though |
| 06:37.11 | gromgull | I doubt very much that this is an X config issue... but I can try |
| 06:37.14 | click170 | Can someone help me figure out why my Debian machine keeps shutting down on me, the last thing that appears in the syslog is only '--mark--' ? |
| 06:37.54 | click170 | I come home and it's just off... |
| 06:38.10 | rahsputin | PhrkOnLsh Options Print --> then it should be there somewhere |
| 06:38.25 | jescis | gromgull, if it's not it you could uninstall the problem apps then reinstall them :/ |
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| 06:39.04 | PhrkOnLsh | aye, rahsputin |
| 06:39.15 | rahsputin | i use w3m... its a bit more over-viewable |
| 06:39.26 | rahsputin | aye ? whats that mean ? |
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| 06:40.21 | jescis | rahsputin, another term used to mean like yes. as in "aye aye captain" |
| 06:40.37 | notsonerdysunny | I already have already downloaded all the debian packages necessary. I am told by Dr. Google that I need to add the line "deb file:/<pathToDirectoryContainingDebs> debs/" But I am unable to figure out where .. can any body help me please.. |
| 06:40.45 | rahsputin | aye aye mate ;) |
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| 06:41.55 | PhrkOnLsh | is the debian nvidia package the proprietary one? imo not, huh? |
| 06:42.03 | gromgull | jescis - i added no new apps since it stopped working. X complains about pci devices not being counted, but it may be because it was without a proper boot - so I reboot again and hope it gets somewhere this time |
| 06:42.14 | nonfatmatt | PhrkOnLsh, yeah it's the proprietary one |
| 06:42.24 | PhrkOnLsh | is it? |
| 06:42.26 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
| 06:42.32 | rahsputin | i think i'm going blind, how wrote something about SAUERBRATEN.ORG ?? |
| 06:42.32 | PhrkOnLsh | well, it failed to install anyways |
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| 06:43.17 | gromgull | jescis - and it worked! reconfiguring X did indeed bring the box back up ... but I still dont understand why I didn't get a login prompt when X was broken.. |
| 06:43.21 | gromgull | thanks |
| 06:43.44 | displaced | found it |
| 06:43.54 | displaced | Phrkonlsh |
| 06:44.10 | displaced | here's the script |
| 06:44.11 | nonfatmatt | PhrkOnLsh, it's a bit difficult, but i can help you if you want |
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| 06:44.21 | jescis | gromgull, no problem ^^ |
| 06:44.28 | displaced | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=481485#26 |
| 06:44.46 | displaced | then run the install again, it'll work |
| 06:44.50 | PhrkOnLsh | displaced, nonfatmatt got it |
| 06:45.00 | PhrkOnLsh | I have GUI, let's see if it's the right driver |
| 06:45.20 | nonfatmatt | ohh, it's that propblem |
| 06:45.28 | nonfatmatt | annoying |
| 06:45.50 | PhrkOnLsh | I used a script called sgfxi (which seemed to work, judging by a few forum posts) |
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| 06:46.15 | displaced | this is the one i used, it worked for me |
| 06:46.30 | nonfatmatt | link? i'm compiling a rt kernel for myself and i forgot to turn of xen |
| 06:46.39 | nonfatmatt | has a feeling it'll fail |
| 06:46.54 | PhrkOnLsh | second... |
| 06:46.57 | PhrkOnLsh | it was some forum post |
| 06:47.17 | PhrkOnLsh | google "sgfxi xen nvidia debian" no quotes |
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| 06:48.05 | nonfatmatt | okay, thanks |
| 06:48.11 | PhrkOnLsh | no, I get fucken xorg segfault |
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| 06:48.17 | PhrkOnLsh | when I try to run compiz |
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| 06:48.19 | PhrkOnLsh | kde works ok |
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| 06:48.25 | nonfatmatt | glxgears? |
| 06:48.27 | PhrkOnLsh | must not have installed the proprietary drivers |
| 06:48.35 | PhrkOnLsh | sounds wright, but dqmot |
| 06:48.36 | nonfatmatt | also glxinfo works |
| 06:48.40 | PhrkOnLsh | oh |
| 06:48.44 | PhrkOnLsh | thinko |
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| 06:53.19 | rahsputin | I have a ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) ( Bluetooth USB Stick ) and a Sony Ericson K610i CellPhone... is there some Documention on how i can make a Bluetooth connection and enter my CellPhones Directory/Files ? |
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| 06:55.29 | rahsputin | i have been trying since 2 days, and cannot find any real help in google and so on... the main subject there is how to connect through the bluetooth CellPhone to the Net... :P |
| 06:55.30 | PhrkOnLsh | well well, everything works a-ok now |
| 06:55.40 | rahsputin | kool :D |
| 06:55.53 | PhrkOnLsh | I guess |
| 06:56.07 | PhrkOnLsh | just had a random X crash before this, which I think was fixed by me restarting the server |
| 06:57.16 | Crypticfortune | how can i search for source packages? (in particular i want to build the legacy nvidia drivers in lenny, but don't know what (if it exists) the package name is...) |
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| 06:57.38 | rahsputin | i think that the command $ hcitool ... is my friend, and have seen my Computer in the CellPhone, but i just do not know how to access the phone :/ |
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| 06:59.17 | nonfatmatt | anyone know if kde4 is in sid yet |
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| 07:00.27 | rahsputin | i dont kno |
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| 07:01.36 | simonrvn | rahsputin: packages.debian.org |
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| 07:07.53 | rahsputin | Any help on my BlueTooth Issue ? |
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| 07:09.27 | fireba11 | can anyone tell me how to view the used ssl-certificate in thunderbird ? |
| 07:09.39 | rahsputin | BRB gotta make a phone-call 4 floors down and a half-a-mile up the street ;D |
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| 07:23.00 | jescis | kill enouf |
| 07:23.09 | jescis | !kill enouf |
| 07:23.09 | dpkg | subjects enouf to excruciating pain with a large lead pipe |
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| 07:23.24 | enouf | hrm ... |
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| 07:23.47 | jescis | Bwahahaha! |
| 07:24.02 | enouf | how many left on the list? |
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| 07:26.23 | rd1089 | Hi, i have a small c program that outputs 1kb per second to standard output, if i try to redirect this output to a file then the system waits till it has 4kb before it writes its into the file.. |
| 07:26.24 | Supaplex | " this many " |
| 07:26.48 | Supaplex | rd1089: run apropos flush |
| 07:27.18 | rd1089 | Supaplex: ok, what does that exactly do? |
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| 07:27.55 | jescis | enouf, I'm trying to use w3m and links2 is not working right. w3m is only hard to use because I don't know any of the keys to use to go back or anything that can easily be done in links2 :(] |
| 07:29.08 | enouf | jescis: why isn't links2 working correctly? |
| 07:29.41 | enouf | jescis: file a bug .. get on the directfb devs backs :-) |
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| 07:30.23 | enouf | jescis: or atleast search BTS prior - you might need newer versions of all them - whatever |
| 07:30.53 | Supaplex | rd1089: man apropos. also man 2 fopen, see O_DIRECT - otherwise try a programming channel. good luck. zzZzzz for me. |
| 07:31.24 | rd1089 | Supaplex, thanks.. |
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| 07:31.59 | jescis | enouf, after pressing the down arrow key a few seconds it freezes. and I had to reboot a bit ago. Because I couldn't go to my other ttys(no keyboard response) :/ |
| 07:33.06 | rahsputin | you really thought about me, now i can read something in BIG letters and it alot |
| 07:33.16 | rahsputin | thanx displaced |
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| 07:33.22 | enouf | jescis: all the time it happens?? |
| 07:33.28 | jescis | enouf, you think svgalib is conflicting with directfb or something? |
| 07:33.41 | jescis | enouf, yep |
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| 07:34.27 | enouf | jescis: perhaps, which fb driver you using VESA still ? |
| 07:34.54 | enouf | jescis: lspci -nn | grep VGA |
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| 07:38.05 | jescis | enouf, hyyp://pastebin.ca/1095461 |
| 07:38.49 | jescis | enouf, also I'm not in the know on tty clipboard :/ |
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| 07:41.25 | enouf | jescis: i use the mouse ;-) |
| 07:42.20 | enouf | jescis: oh, see http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Control_keys and man console_codes |
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| 07:43.17 | enouf | jescis: haha. i forgot - same here :-P 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV5 [RIVA TNT2/TNT2 Pro] [10de:0028] (rev 11) |
| 07:44.05 | enouf | so, you want to play with nvidiafb ? not sure if that would conflict wth directfb |
| 07:44.09 | enouf | jescis: what |
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| 07:45.46 | enouf | jescis: what's your agp aperture settings in the BIOS? 64MB? 256MB? oh .. you can allocate more RAM + resources to links2, see File > Resource Info and Memory Info -- and then Settings > Cache (to set sizes) |
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| 07:49.34 | enouf | jescis: remember to Settings > Save Settings (once you like them) config file is in ~/.links2/links.cfg |
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| 07:51.14 | jescis | enouf, I purged svgalib and then ran links2, then exited it. and it worked \o/ |
| 07:51.55 | ronr | hi, anyone knows a debian package for a distributed password managers, ie we got a lot of ftp accounts and such of which we have to share the username and password among several developers |
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| 07:52.26 | jescis | wonders if that's a bug or not. Also if he should report it :/ |
| 07:52.26 | enouf | jescis: i have no idea what you are talking about :-P |
| 07:53.10 | enouf | jescis: it depends on svgalib :-P |
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| 07:53.12 | enouf | ~$ apt-cache depends links2 | grep svga |
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| 07:53.55 | enouf | i told you what to do to tweak your config |
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| 08:02.57 | enouf | click it) |
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| 08:09.41 | jerome | anyone with a good link to this particular VI letter shaped vi cheat sheet ? |
| 08:09.55 | jerome | I think I got it once in ps/eps |
| 08:09.58 | jerome | even dvi |
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| 08:11.39 | LostSoul | ok, so, using "cu -p /dev/ttyS0 dir" i should be able to talk directly through ttyS0 right? it keeps telling me "No matching ports" |
| 08:13.28 | enouf | LostSoul: dmesg | grep tty , cat /proc/ioports , |
| 08:13.35 | enouf | pastebin if needed |
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| 08:16.50 | LostSoul | enouf: sadly i can't pastebin from this environment, but "dmesg | grep tty" comes up with "serial8250: ttyS0 at 0x3f8..." so it should exist... |
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| 08:18.59 | enouf | i never tried cu, don't know |
| 08:19.29 | tarzeau | prefers screen /dev/ttyS0 |
| 08:19.32 | enouf | see dpkg -L cu and look for docs about it |
| 08:19.42 | LostSoul | what do you use to talk through a serial port? |
| 08:19.47 | tarzeau | screen |
| 08:19.53 | tarzeau | some use minicom |
| 08:19.57 | enouf | stty ? |
| 08:20.19 | enouf | gtkterm is gui hyperterminal |
| 08:21.16 | enouf | !tell tarzeau -about links2 settings |
| 08:21.20 | enouf | :-) |
| 08:22.08 | tarzeau | enouf: aha |
| 08:22.20 | enouf | \o/ |
| 08:23.49 | LostSoul | i tried minicom. i couldn't figure out how to force it to just let me type without having to fake dialing something... |
| 08:24.32 | tarzeau | LostSoul: just use screen? |
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| 08:29.57 | LostSoul | hmm, well, thanks for the help |
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| 08:31.43 | kaeles | anyone have any experiance setting up vmware server? I just got an error telling me it couldn't copy the services.sh to the init.d and now it won't go anyware cause its telling me a previous version on vmware was found... |
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| 08:33.08 | BramuS | i set it up using a tutorial from howtoforge.com |
| 08:33.11 | BramuS | yesterday |
| 08:33.16 | BramuS | on debian 4.0 r4 |
| 08:33.33 | kaeles | yea I'm using the same tutorial |
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| 08:33.58 | kaeles | I'm just wondering if I could have borked it due to being ssh'd into the box. |
| 08:34.06 | kaeles | I highly doubt that would be the problem, but :| |
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| 08:35.40 | BramuS | i installed it by the terminal |
| 08:35.49 | BramuS | did you try to install as root? |
| 08:36.27 | kaeles | yea |
| 08:36.40 | kaeles | I was ssh'd as root |
| 08:36.42 | BramuS | hmm... |
| 08:36.48 | BramuS | dont know :( |
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| 08:38.33 | aronofsky | hi, can anyone tell me if theres another way to install irrtoolset than compile it from source, because its a real pain ... |
| 08:39.46 | kaeles | if there is a .rpm you can always use alien |
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| 08:41.42 | kaeles | ok weird, I just rm -rf /etc/vmware/ and it works fine now |
| 08:41.43 | kaeles | :P |
| 08:41.43 | kaeles | shrugs |
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| 08:49.07 | riz_ | Hello. I have a problem with starting dovecot eachtime it's upgraded. Could someone please give me a suggest? Here's what happend: http://pastebin.com/m704b9355 |
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| 08:49.44 | bbinotto | hi, is it possible to install a testing package on a stable system? |
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| 08:50.32 | Pollero | bbinotto: yes. It's called apt-pinning |
| 08:50.41 | riz_ | bbinotto for sure. Look for apt-pinning. |
| 08:50.50 | Baloo | Anybody have any luck getting a Radeon HD 2400 (r300) working with GL support |
| 08:50.52 | Baloo | ? |
| 08:51.17 | bbinotto | ok thank you |
| 08:51.39 | bbinotto | why is gcc-multilib not available in stable? ;) |
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| 08:55.30 | aronofsky | hi, id like know, is there a tool that can give me for a given AS the list of other ASs it announces ? |
| 08:55.50 | spx2 | what's an AS ? |
| 08:56.28 | aronofsky | Autonomous system |
| 08:56.47 | tramjoe_merin | aronofsky: nhaaa, an the annouces are depending on the BGP peering |
| 08:57.10 | tramjoe_merin | My AS, for instance, announces different routes dependiong on who I am peering with |
| 08:57.41 | tramjoe_merin | If you are peered with an AS, like your internet provider, then you need to use your BGP client to look at the imported routes |
| 08:58.44 | rto | Add an extra S to that AS conversation and hilarity ensues |
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| 09:01.30 | aronofsky | rto: I just got it ... im really too tired lol |
| 09:01.40 | DustyDingo | how can i print the fingeprints and hostnames of the ssh's know_hosts file? |
| 09:05.03 | kaeles | well, looks like its working now |
| 09:05.11 | kaeles | now to learn how to work this beast. |
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| 09:09.53 | aronofsky | tramjoe_merin: actually for a given AS id like to know the other AS it could announces , any way to get that information ? |
| 09:10.15 | tramjoe_merin | aronofsky: no, this is not relatedto the AS definition |
| 09:10.51 | tramjoe_merin | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:12.00 | aronofsky | tramjoe_merin: so the only way to get that info is to analyse the actual bgp session ? |
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| 09:13.26 | tramjoe_merin | aronofsky: you have to understan that an AS is just an index number you use to build BGP sessions. And BGP session announces are done on a peer-by-peer basis. |
| 09:14.02 | tramjoe_merin | aronofsky: there is not such thing a a database of all "available peers" for ASNs |
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| 09:14.49 | tramjoe_merin | aronofsky: potentially, an AS could announce ANY route to other ASes, granted that it has an full internet connection |
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| 09:16.03 | jescis | enouf, I'm actually getting a "DirectFB/FBdev: Panning display failed!" when I run links2 :s |
| 09:16.04 | tramjoe_merin | When you speak about "analysing" the BGP session, you make it sound like it is something obscure and/or complicated. Just look at the BGP route entries, that's it ... |
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| 09:19.14 | rto | aronofsky: Here it is friday, close to lunch, so some toilet humour is to be expected |
| 09:20.50 | seepgood_ | I have a debian etch running a slapd server, and I have added 'local4.* /var/log/ldap.log' to syslog.conf and is getting all the ldap logging output in the ldap.log file. But I'm also getting the same output in the syslog file. How do I filter it out of the syslog file ? |
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| 09:27.58 | Zharf | gah |
| 09:28.04 | Zharf | my / is full again <.< |
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| 09:30.50 | rto | Zharf: Maybe a good time consider splitting your disk into several partitions? |
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| 09:31.13 | Zharf | rto, it is in several partitions :) |
| 09:31.25 | Zharf | /home is not part of / |
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| 09:32.08 | rto | Zharf: I usally also skip /var out on it's own |
| 09:33.07 | rahsputin | Is there an App. with which i can secure a whole Directory with a password ( something like ccrypt ) ? |
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| 09:34.04 | gribozavr | rahsputin: you could try encrypted filesystem |
| 09:34.09 | Zharf | rto, mmh yeah, but then, my whole drive is actually full :) |
| 09:34.17 | Zharf | there's like 800MB total left space :) |
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| 09:34.55 | cipherz | 800mb is a lot :p |
| 09:34.56 | rto | Zharf: No solution for that i think ;-) |
| 09:35.43 | Zharf | cipherz, not when Ihaven't updated my sid in a while and have to download 500MB |
| 09:35.55 | rto | Zharf: Hope you stuck LVM or something similar on it when you installed so growing the existing partitions onto another disk is doable. |
| 09:35.57 | cipherz | Zharf, same here and I got 32mb free :\ |
| 09:36.15 | Zharf | rto, of course I didn't |
| 09:36.53 | rahsputin | mee neether |
| 09:36.58 | gribozavr | Zharf: apt-get clean, if you haven't already done that... |
| 09:37.11 | Zharf | gribozavr, yeah, I did |
| 09:37.25 | rto | tries to conceal a smug grin |
| 09:37.54 | Zharf | I'll just have to find all that crap that I have and remove it |
| 09:38.38 | rto | Going through /var and /usr/share with du -hc --max-depth=1 can really be an eye opener. |
| 09:38.45 | spx2 | how do I upgrade a specific package ? |
| 09:38.47 | rto | Or there is that funny graphical thingy from Gnome |
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| 09:38.58 | rto | spx2: Just use aptititude install <package name> |
| 09:39.32 | efaistos | anyone have an idea why when i try to start any X application remotely i got that error Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyError: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 09:39.42 | spx2 | rto: but I have to uninstall it first ? |
| 09:39.45 | spx2 | rto: then update |
| 09:39.48 | spx2 | rto: then install |
| 09:39.50 | spx2 | rto: no ? |
| 09:39.51 | efaistos | I mtrying to start mplayer on my desktop from my laptop |
| 09:40.09 | efaistos | i dont want X forwarding just to launch the application on the desktop |
| 09:40.11 | gribozavr | spx2: no, just install it. |
| 09:40.24 | petemc | efaistos: change the DISPLAY variable |
| 09:40.36 | spx2 | gribozavr: oh cool :) |
| 09:40.52 | efaistos | petemc: done exported to DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 09:41.23 | efaistos | petemc: any other idea ? |
| 09:41.36 | Zharf | gah |
| 09:41.39 | efaistos | petemc: used to work but doesnt anymore :( |
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| 09:42.07 | petemc | efaistos: what happens? |
| 09:42.31 | spx2 | efaistos: reboot so you'll get your default DISPLAY back,try another user on which mplayer works,see what the value of DISPLAY is there |
| 09:42.53 | efaistos | spx2: reboot ? |
| 09:43.09 | scintilla | saluta tutti :D |
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| 09:43.17 | efaistos | petemc: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyvo: couldn't open the X11 display (:0.0)! |
| 09:43.17 | efaistos | Error opening/initializing the selected video_out (-vo) device. |
| 09:43.27 | efaistos | cant understand why |
| 09:43.28 | spx2 | efaistos: yea |
| 09:43.40 | petemc | efaistos: are you the same user as is x is running as? |
| 09:43.48 | petemc | s/is// |
| 09:43.48 | efaistos | petemc: yes |
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| 09:43.55 | Zharf | rto, my /var only has 256MB of stuff actually :) |
| 09:44.13 | moshii | Which x86 kernel is the best choice for an Atom based machine? |
| 09:44.57 | gribozavr | Zharf: my /var/log is only 369M o_O |
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| 09:45.27 | efaistos | petemc: got this in the logs AUDIT: Fri Aug 8 10:38:53 2008: 3008 X: client 7 rejected from local host (uid 1000) Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1 |
| 09:45.50 | petemc | efaistos: you could tinker with xhost, but i would be curious as to why thats happening |
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| 09:46.13 | efaistos | xhost + ? |
| 09:46.16 | evcz | Hi, how long should this take: http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08082008003018fm9.png ? |
| 09:46.23 | gribozavr | efaistos: can you explain in abit more detail, what you ware doing? |
| 09:46.53 | gribozavr | s/ware/were/ |
| 09:48.00 | gribozavr | efaistos: if i understood correctly, you didn't use ssh's X11forwarding |
| 09:48.02 | efaistos | gribozavr: just connected via ssh to launch mplayer but got that error Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 keyError: cannot open display: :0.0 |
| 09:48.14 | efaistos | gribozavr: i dont want to forward X |
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| 09:48.22 | efaistos | just launch mplayer on the remote computer |
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| 09:48.42 | gribozavr | then you should try xchost |
| 09:48.45 | gribozavr | xhost* |
| 09:49.20 | efaistos | but why it used to work just with the export of the DISPLAY |
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| 09:49.34 | gribozavr | because X on your machine doesn't allow someone from the network just to connect and draw apps |
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| 09:49.53 | efaistos | it used to be ok |
| 09:49.56 | gribozavr | DISPLAY is the same for 99% of people |
| 09:50.09 | tramjoe_merin | 0:0 |
| 09:50.11 | tramjoe_merin | :-) |
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| 09:50.32 | evcz | anybody can tell me how long this passage of the install should take: http://img208.imageshack.us/my.php?image=08082008003018fm9.png ? :( |
| 09:50.56 | evcz | is ok to wait a few ours or am I just losing time? :( |
| 09:51.07 | evcz | *hours |
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| 09:52.43 | SPF | evcz: how large is the partition, was it empty? |
| 09:52.59 | Worf | hmm, i don't know the installer, but if that is a mk-whatever, then it should not take more than a view sec ... but what does "erasing data" mean? |
| 09:53.37 | Worf | unless you told it to check for bad blocks |
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| 09:53.53 | evcz | 250gb |
| 09:53.57 | evcz | empty |
| 09:54.07 | evcz | but happening also from acomplety emtpy hard drive |
| 09:54.38 | evcz | trying to do the "automatic install", LVM encrypted |
| 09:54.53 | evcz | will retry with lvm normal, but don't think will change :/ |
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| 09:55.44 | gribozavr | efaistos: oh, and you should make your X liste to the network |
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| 09:56.05 | buntfalke | hi |
| 09:56.06 | gribozavr | efaistos: by default it only listens to its local socket |
| 09:56.30 | buntfalke | how to make 'mount -t cpuset none /dev/cpuset' work in debian? i get 'unknown fstype' as error msg |
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| 10:00.38 | cipherz | buntfalke, what exactly are you trying to accomplish ? |
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| 10:00.49 | Worf | evcz: oh - well encrypting could mean that it's carefully wiping your disk first ... and that can take a bit ... |
| 10:01.10 | evcz | ok.... will retry without encrypting |
| 10:01.21 | evcz | if this works will give it a few days to encrypt :D |
| 10:01.43 | Worf | i have no idea how long that will take - but maybe you just want to have a /home encrypted? |
| 10:01.44 | buntfalke | cipherz: i try to mount cpuset. it doesnt work with the newer cgroup pseudofs either. |
| 10:01.57 | buntfalke | is 'unknown filesystem' raised by the kernel, or by mount? |
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| 10:02.11 | Worf | ezguy: i don't really see the point in encrypting /usr, which is freely downloadable from every debian mirror |
| 10:02.26 | evcz | yeah, just home would be fine... was curious to see what it was going to encrypt running the default options :D |
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| 10:20.07 | Zharf | can I do "mount --bind" in fstab or something? |
| 10:20.46 | gribozavr | Zharf: yes |
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| 10:22.29 | gribozavr | Zharf: /what /where none bind 0 0 |
| 10:22.36 | Zharf | thanks |
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| 10:30.03 | fluxdude | does anyone know when etc is going to get a version of grub newer than 0.97-27etch1 so that the 3GB memory bug is fixed? This is such a serious bug that I think it needs doing fast. Anybody know? |
| 10:30.06 | fluxdude | s/etc/etch/ |
| 10:30.30 | petemc | fluxdude: which bug is that? |
| 10:30.56 | Pollero | there no bug about 3G if we are talking about ram |
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| 10:31.44 | fluxdude | Pollero: why not? |
| 10:31.56 | Pollero | fluxdude: cos im running system with 16G what uses grub? |
| 10:31.57 | petemc | i asked first! |
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| 10:32.17 | fluxdude | from what I have read it's grub's fault that my debian xen amd64 kernel can only see 3GB out of 16GB of ram in my system. A pretty huge deficiency |
| 10:32.29 | Pollero | fluxdude: if there is bug about 3G don't you think it has been fixed long time ago? My calculator got more memory then 3G :) |
| 10:32.30 | petemc | fluxdude: that would be the kernel rather than grub |
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| 10:32.43 | Pollero | yea. That's kernel problem |
| 10:32.52 | fluxdude | petemc: I read it was grub's fault because of the way it was reporting or something |
| 10:33.01 | Pollero | misinformation |
| 10:33.07 | Pollero | dont believe everything you see :D |
| 10:33.15 | fluxdude | either way, anyone know of the fix, I've dist-upgraded etch to have everything the latest stable but still the same problem |
| 10:33.28 | Pollero | fluxdude: install 686 kernel |
| 10:33.33 | Pollero | i bet you got 486 |
| 10:33.40 | fluxdude | I don't care if it's grub's fault or kernel's fault, it makes my server unusable for the purposes I need it |
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| 10:34.02 | fluxdude | Pollero: am using amd64 xen kernel as mentioned above... |
| 10:34.45 | Pollero | what is that kernel. uname -a |
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| 10:37.05 | fluxdude | Linux myServer 2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 16 23:42:47 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
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| 10:37.32 | fluxdude | an mad64 kernel should never have any problem seeing 16GB of ram |
| 10:37.46 | fluxdude | apparently it's to do with grub only reporting 3GB or something... |
| 10:37.54 | Pollero | fluxdude: ok. what says 'xm info |grep total' |
| 10:37.56 | fluxdude | I don't know... I just need to fix it. |
| 10:38.02 | Pollero | nope. I bet it sees the memory. xen just hide it |
| 10:38.15 | fluxdude | total_memory : 3263 |
| 10:38.16 | Pollero | one more time grub and im out of here |
| 10:38.22 | fluxdude | blatenty wrong... |
| 10:38.31 | fluxdude | the bios shows 16GB |
| 10:38.44 | Pollero | well that's prettu damn weird |
| 10:38.46 | fluxdude | and if I boot into a non xen kernel then it sees all 16GB |
| 10:38.57 | fluxdude | perhaps it is the kernel's fault... but I can't see why |
| 10:39.03 | Pollero | well that proofs that it has nothing todo with the fucking grub :D |
| 10:39.16 | Pollero | do you have xen from repo. 3.0.3? |
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| 10:40.04 | Pollero | fluxdude: my advice is that update xen to 3.2.1 |
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| 10:40.33 | fluxdude | Pollero: but I'm already at the latest stable xen on etch |
| 10:40.41 | Pollero | but it 3.0.3!!! |
| 10:40.50 | Pollero | omg, im out of here im gonna just break my head |
| 10:41.04 | fluxdude | i even apt-get dist-upgraded to make sure everything was the latest... |
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| 10:41.14 | fluxdude | so should I got to testing or install xen by hand? |
| 10:41.28 | CreatixEA | Hi, is there a way to spam-filter postfix aliases (used to forward to other addesses) ? |
| 10:41.29 | Pollero | no it not cos debian xen support lacks and much. I have runned debian dom0 many many years. If i say update xen then you really should do it |
| 10:41.38 | Pollero | fluxdude: by hands from xensource |
| 10:42.15 | fluxdude | Pollero: ok but I think that installing by hand sucks... |
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| 10:42.44 | fluxdude | I prefer to stick to officially managed packages... could I not just use apt pinning or something to pull in the testing xen packages?... |
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| 10:43.06 | Pollero | do what ever you like |
| 10:43.38 | gribozavr | fluxdude: be careful, because there were glibc upgrades in lenny |
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| 10:44.59 | fluxdude | this is where debian package management always falls down. It's so hard to stick to the stable tree for anything that is not very old..... |
| 10:45.03 | fluxdude | I'll try xen by hand then |
| 10:45.20 | Pollero | you are right about that |
| 10:45.40 | Zharf | well this kinda sucks, fsck fails on boot when it can't find my USB drive which is still starting up when it tries to access it so there's no such node yet |
| 10:45.42 | gribozavr | fluxdude: you can always run testing ;) |
| 10:45.44 | g00se | Can someone using only iwconfig to config wireless please tell me how they do it? (I can read man iwconfig) |
| 10:46.37 | Pollero | Xen is special .You can just compile it from source. You dont have to update it long long time. So there no point to go testing or do apt-pinning |
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| 10:46.52 | fluxdude | gribozavr: last time I upgraded to testing a couple of weeks ago, some bug stopped the system from coming up again, kernel was screwed. |
| 10:47.10 | tsp | Does anyone know how to disable or configure the wrapping of man pages? It's seriously getting irritating |
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| 10:47.57 | fluxdude | Pollero: but then if I do apt-pinning I will eventually merge back into pure stable...? Sounds good. I'd rather not reinstall xen in 1-2 years if I can just apt-get upgrade... |
| 10:48.14 | gribozavr | fluxdude: i'm running testing on 3 machines for a year now... completely different experience |
| 10:48.28 | MacGyverNL | Is there a graphical utility (like Treesize Pro for Windows) which allows me to view the size on disk of different folders in gnome? |
| 10:48.35 | Pollero | fluxdude: like i say. Do what you sees best. That's just my opinion |
| 10:48.44 | MacGyverNL | So with, for instance, bar graphs or pie charts. |
| 10:48.58 | tsp | ed ~/ff/fs |
| 10:49.05 | Pollero | fluxdude: just remember that im running over 60 dom0' and 400 domU's so i know pretty good what im talking about |
| 10:49.31 | Zharf | mmh |
| 10:50.32 | fluxdude | Pollero: problem, xen will not compile here, have apt got make and gcc but am now getting code errors... |
| 10:50.54 | Pollero | fluxdude: apt-get install pciutils libssl-dev python-dev libx11-dev gettext iproute bridge-utils build-essential ncurses-dev pciutils-dev openssh-server libc6-xen mercurial gawk |
| 10:50.58 | Pollero | that's all you need |
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| 10:52.00 | jelly-home | what's wrong with apt-get build-dep whatever! |
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| 10:52.50 | petemc | you dont need libc6-xen for 64 bit |
| 10:53.02 | Pollero | good point. |
| 10:53.14 | fluxdude | petemc: yes I excluded that, I'm just fetching build-essential and now it's off... |
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| 10:53.33 | fluxdude | i feel so dirty doing an unmanaged src compile though... |
| 10:53.55 | Pollero | i can't see why |
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| 10:55.11 | g00se | MacGyverNL: baobab? |
| 10:55.26 | CreatixEA | I've got postfix + spamassassin (on debian, all up to date), and everything's working well except for aliases that are redirected to other email (/etc/aliases) : they aren't spam-filtered. Is there a way to do that ? |
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| 11:06.55 | _Progress_ | hi can you help me to configure apt-file. Is there a place to see whitch options can i use for options = " " and make_options = " " ?? |
| 11:08.11 | DawnLigh1 | i'm not being productive. anyone needs help with basic stuff? |
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| 11:11.11 | g00se | DawnLigh1: yes - iwconfig ;-) |
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| 11:12.14 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: shoot |
| 11:12.16 | petemc | _Progress_: what is it you're trying to do? |
| 11:12.53 | g00se | DawnLigh1: Do you use it personally? |
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| 11:12.53 | MacGyverNL | g00se: Thanks, exactly what I was looking for. |
| 11:13.48 | g00se | MacGyverNL: you might also look as fsview |
| 11:13.51 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: i have experience with it and there are others here. just ask |
| 11:14.18 | g00se | DawnLigh1: Well i did - and was met with deafening silence ;-) |
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| 11:15.19 | g00se | DawnLigh1: Here we go: say you've no other tool. You go into a wireless hotspot. You fire up your Deb laptop and want to get connected. What do you do? |
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| 11:16.16 | LimCore | hi. Which wifi card is best? On usb |
| 11:16.41 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: i bring the wireless interface up and go iwlist <iface> scan |
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| 11:17.16 | g00se | OK. That's good - that's what i did. And then ..? |
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| 11:18.13 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: then set the channel, essid and such with iwconfig and go dhclient <iface> |
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| 11:18.54 | g00se | DawnLigh1: Think i missed the last step |
| 11:20.23 | DawnLigh1 | the interface has to have an address, netmask and a default gateway and the system has to have a nameserver before you can... be online |
| 11:20.34 | g00se | DawnLigh1: afaicr i realised that there could be a dhcp problem but thought that the access point would assign that automatically |
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| 11:22.29 | locco | can someone help me to set up a ssh server on my debian? i keep getting connection refused no matter what i try.. |
| 11:22.41 | MacGyverNL | Is it possible to expand a mounted partition using gparted? |
| 11:22.47 | DawnLigh1 | iwcnofig deals with a layer below ip |
| 11:23.07 | DawnLigh1 | locco: install the openssh-server package |
| 11:23.34 | _Progress_ | petemc: i want to build debian with apt-build |
| 11:23.44 | MacGyverNL | The problem I have here is that it's the only partition in the machine (VMWare Debian guest OS), and I don't think I'll be able to boot a gparted liveCD image into that VMWare. |
| 11:23.50 | locco | yea i did |
| 11:24.48 | DawnLigh1 | MacGyverNL: i don't think so |
| 11:25.07 | DawnLigh1 | locco: did you touch the configuration file? |
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| 11:25.48 | cedric3 | hi i want to login x11 gdm with authentification ldap |
| 11:26.04 | locco | DawnLigh1, no |
| 11:26.04 | cedric3 | i search on pam |
| 11:26.13 | DawnLigh1 | locco: is sshd running? |
| 11:26.21 | g00se | DawnLigh1: So when you say 'bring up the interface' you mean of course with ifconfig(?) Do you give it a local IP yourself? |
| 11:26.29 | locco | DawnLigh1, it should be, but how do I check? |
| 11:26.36 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
| 11:26.48 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: no. wireless networks usually assign dynamically with dhcp |
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| 11:27.13 | g00se | DawnLigh1: I've got this. Is it wrong then? alias iwup='sudo ifconfig ra0 10.0.0.1 up' |
| 11:27.19 | DawnLigh1 | locco: ps aux | grep sshd. or install htop and use that |
| 11:28.25 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: it is not wrong but not enough. you need netmask and gateway also and a nameserver. but why deal with static ips? is this not a laptop? |
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| 11:29.22 | locco | DawnLigh1, sshd is supposed to be a daemon right? |
| 11:29.29 | g00se | DawnLigh1: It is a laptop. That was my 'version' of 'bringing up the interface' |
| 11:29.30 | DawnLigh1 | locco: you can also run nmap <host> to see if the ssh daemon is listening on the host |
| 11:29.44 | locco | i cant find sshd with htop so.. |
| 11:29.44 | DawnLigh1 | and that answers the last question |
| 11:30.22 | DawnLigh1 | what happens when you type /etc/init.d/ssh restart? |
| 11:31.03 | locco | restarting openbsd secure shell server: sshd |
| 11:31.04 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: if the laptop has a desktop and moves from network to network, you'd be better off with networkmanager |
| 11:31.20 | DawnLigh1 | locco: and is it on now? |
| 11:31.51 | locco | nope |
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| 11:32.09 | g00se | DawnLigh1: I'll look into it. So your version of bringing up the interface would be what? sudo ifconfig ra0 up ? |
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| 11:33.21 | locco | DawnLigh1, now i see sshd when i use htop |
| 11:33.35 | locco | but nmap says otherwise.. |
| 11:33.58 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: you could do that but debian has a better way if configuring interfaces for known networks outside of desktop environments |
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| 11:34.47 | DawnLigh1 | locco: try typing nmap localhost on the host |
| 11:36.02 | locco | host seems to be down. but when i typed in the ip instead of localhost it didnt show any sshd |
| 11:36.43 | DawnLigh1 | locco: on the host, type it |
| 11:36.54 | DawnLigh1 | nmap localhost |
| 11:37.22 | locco | i did |
| 11:37.27 | locco | it says host seems to be down |
| 11:37.41 | DawnLigh1 | locco: can i see your /etc/hosts file? |
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| 11:38.00 | g00se | DawnLigh1: What is that way? |
| 11:38.04 | DawnLigh1 | and is the lo interface up? |
| 11:38.41 | locco | "127.0.0.1 localhost" |
| 11:38.47 | locco | is the only line in /etc/hosts |
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| 11:38.56 | locco | no i dont have any lo in my interfaces |
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| 11:39.19 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: ifupdown. interfaces are defined in a configuration file and are brought up/down using ifup <iface> and ifdown <iface> |
| 11:39.20 | Pollero | locco: maybe you should add it ? :D |
| 11:39.47 | Pollero | locco: about every soft what uses tcp/ip is going to fail without lo |
| 11:40.09 | locco | Pollero, i dont know how to :P i was asking about it yesterday but my internet seems to be working without it |
| 11:40.24 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: if it sounds good, check /usr/share/doc/ifupdown |
| 11:40.34 | Pollero | locco: in /etc/network/interface add two lines 1. auto lo 2. iface lo inet loopback |
| 11:40.42 | Pollero | locco: and run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 11:40.51 | Pollero | or ifconfig lo up |
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| 11:40.58 | DawnLigh1 | Pollero: what about address? |
| 11:41.09 | q-tip | I cant get the startup file in flux box to run in etch any ideas ?? |
| 11:41.12 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: you dont have to add address to lo |
| 11:41.17 | locco | i got "iface eth0 inet dhcp" in it right now. should i remove it? |
| 11:41.26 | DawnLigh1 | Pollero: but then localhost won't resolve |
| 11:41.27 | Pollero | locco. no no no no |
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| 11:41.37 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: what?? omg |
| 11:41.39 | locco | k |
| 11:41.51 | Pollero | locco: add those lines before eth0 lines |
| 11:41.51 | DawnLigh1 | right? am i wrong? |
| 11:42.00 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: yes and way off :D |
| 11:42.11 | DawnLigh1 | Pollero: explain please? |
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| 11:42.38 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: Explain what? i dont understunt now. Do you know purpose of lo ? |
| 11:42.45 | DawnLigh1 | localhost resolves from /etc/hosts to the specified address, by default 127.0.0.1, not? |
| 11:42.51 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: yes |
| 11:42.59 | Pollero | and interface named lo has address 127.0.01 |
| 11:43.06 | g00se | DawnLigh1: OK. So to summarise (in the absence of network-manager [just installed it]) the general procedure would be: ifup ra0 ... iwlist ... iwconfig <...>... dhclient ra0 ? |
| 11:43.26 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: you can confirm that by 'ifconfig' |
| 11:43.27 | DawnLigh1 | so if i don't add this address to lo, then 127.0.0.1 won't get to the lo |
| 11:43.39 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: lo has default address what is 127.0.0.1 |
| 11:44.07 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: networkmanager is for desktops. the ifupdown scripts don't use it |
| 11:44.19 | locco | Pollero, i did what you said |
| 11:44.33 | DawnLigh1 | Pollero: then why is it specified in /etc/network/interfaces by default? |
| 11:44.43 | g00se | DawnLigh1: Yes. I have a desktop (xfce-4) |
| 11:44.44 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: what is specified? lo? |
| 11:44.56 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: are you troller? |
| 11:44.56 | DawnLigh1 | Pollero: lo's address |
| 11:45.02 | Pollero | get the fuck out my face |
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| 11:46.00 | DawnLigh1 | how did we getto this violence just now? |
| 11:46.00 | locco | wat |
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| 11:46.33 | milligan_ | I'm in the process of letting users define their own levels of spam tags, etc etc. If I add a user_scores_dsn, the needed username and password, and a user_scores_sql_custom_query .. that will only affect users that actually have queries in the DB, and the globals will remain on the others, even though they aren't defined in the SQL db? (This is a live server that currently does NOT support custom prefferences) |
| 11:46.53 | Pollero | DawnLigh1: use common sense. you can of course add ip to lo what is 127.0.0.1 but if that is default address then why do yo want to do it? |
| 11:46.58 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: usually, you'd want to either use networkmanager _or_ command line tools |
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| 11:47.18 | abrotman | there are other tools for managing network connections |
| 11:47.33 | DawnLigh1 | Pollero: i don't know but that's the default etch install |
| 11:47.52 | g00se | DawnLigh1: OK. Since i've just installed NM, what would i expect to happen if in range of a wireless hotspot? Anything? |
| 11:48.34 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: i don't think it will do anything but i'm not sure. it is designed to have a frontend in your desktop |
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| 11:49.01 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: you'd have to read /usr/share/doc/networkmanager/README.Debian |
| 11:49.38 | locco | so back to question 1 i guess.. can anyone help me with my ssh server? i keep getting connection refused |
| 11:49.41 | g00se | DawnLigh1: OK. The man pages are sparse to almost non-existence |
| 11:50.15 | abrotman | locco: is openssh-server installed and running ? |
| 11:50.25 | locco | installed: yes |
| 11:50.27 | locco | running: dont know |
| 11:50.35 | abrotman | be something good to check |
| 11:50.39 | locco | i see sshd when i look at proccesses with htop |
| 11:51.00 | abrotman | netstat -an | grep 21 .. is it listening ? |
| 11:51.17 | DawnLigh1 | abrotman: he seems to not have lo |
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| 11:52.14 | abrotman | why not? |
| 11:52.30 | DawnLigh1 | ask him |
| 11:52.47 | locco | i dont know how to add it. and no its not listening |
| 11:53.00 | DawnLigh1 | locco: i'll paste it for you |
| 11:53.11 | abrotman | locco: paste the contents of your /etc/network/interfaces and your output for `ifconfig -a` |
| 11:53.13 | locco | i did what pollero told me though, isnt that enough? |
| 11:53.25 | locco | ok sec |
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| 11:53.53 | toad_ | does gcc 4.3.1 have problems with linux 2.6.23? |
| 11:54.14 | g00se | DawnLigh1: So it looks like i'd need some sort of xfce-4 front end for NM? |
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| 11:54.34 | DawnLigh1 | locco: http://pastebin.ca/1095641 |
| 11:55.29 | DawnLigh1 | this is what you need to have in your /etc/network/interfaces and you need to go ifup lo anfter adding it |
| 11:55.35 | DawnLigh1 | g00se: right |
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| 11:56.16 | locco | raft.net./p/vTtFXB60.html |
| 11:56.19 | locco | thats my interfaces |
| 11:56.21 | DawnLigh1 | abrotman: networkmanager seems to be the best choice |
| 11:56.29 | abrotman | doubtful |
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| 11:56.46 | locco | okay ill make my interfaces look like that DawnLigh1 |
| 11:57.07 | DawnLigh1 | it gave me problems too but! it is in active development and in use in major distros |
| 11:57.32 | abrotman | doesn't make it 'best' |
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| 11:58.15 | DawnLigh1 | abrotman: other tools you know of that compare? |
| 11:58.23 | abrotman | why is he using it at all? |
| 11:58.33 | DawnLigh1 | i don't know. he's got a laptop |
| 11:58.43 | locco | DawnLigh1, i edited it and restarted. |
| 11:58.51 | cr3rzemjest | hi, i've installed only "pure" debian + fluxbox and i have ~10 fonts only, which do i install in order to have "standard" fonts? |
| 11:59.05 | DawnLigh1 | locco: is lo up? is your ethernet interface up? |
| 11:59.30 | abrotman | DawnLigh1: i have a laptop .. i travel with it .. i don't use nm |
| 11:59.30 | locco | how do I know if it's up other than having it in interfaces? |
| 11:59.50 | DawnLigh1 | abrotman: ifconfig/iwconfig? |
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| 12:01.05 | abrotman | DawnLigh1: i told you there were other ways .. it's irrelevant here |
| 12:01.25 | locco | rafb.net/p/uHrYq225.html |
| 12:01.37 | locco | that's my lo.. does it mean it's up? |
| 12:01.38 | scintilla | va , ciao a tutti a stasera |
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| 12:02.20 | locco | http://rafb.net/p/uHrYq225.html |
| 12:02.30 | DawnLigh1 | locco: seems right. you can tell by the UP written there |
| 12:02.44 | locco | yah figured. just wanted to be sure though |
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| 12:02.52 | DawnLigh1 | and is your ethernet interface also up ? |
| 12:03.06 | DawnLigh1 | abrotman: care to recommend? |
| 12:03.15 | locco | DawnLigh1, that, i dont know how to check |
| 12:03.21 | locco | do you mean eth0? |
| 12:03.36 | DawnLigh1 | locco: same way |
| 12:03.48 | DawnLigh1 | yes, your eth0 or whatever your ethernet interface is |
| 12:03.52 | DawnLigh1 | ifconfig |
| 12:03.57 | locco | yea it's up |
| 12:04.00 | abrotman | ifconfig -a will show them all |
| 12:04.10 | DawnLigh1 | so now you can try nmap localhost again |
| 12:04.16 | locco | but im using wireless though, if that makes any difference |
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| 12:04.20 | DawnLigh1 | now that localhost actually exists |
| 12:04.34 | locco | ah now i see it |
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| 12:04.42 | locco | 22/tcp ssh |
| 12:04.46 | DawnLigh1 | cool |
| 12:04.54 | DawnLigh1 | be cool now |
| 12:05.20 | locco | wth still getting connection refused |
| 12:05.28 | DawnLigh1 | restart ssh again |
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| 12:05.58 | locco | done |
| 12:06.05 | DawnLigh1 | and try nmap <server address> from the client |
| 12:06.18 | abrotman | how about he try `ssh localhost` from the server |
| 12:06.22 | abrotman | then ssh IP |
| 12:06.25 | abrotman | then from the remote box |
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| 12:07.21 | locco | downloading nmap on client |
| 12:07.40 | locco | ssh localhost gives me ssh_exchange_identification: connection closed by remote host |
| 12:07.44 | DawnLigh1 | abrotman: let me do some helping here, will ya |
| 12:07.56 | locco | lol |
| 12:08.03 | abrotman | because you're going about it .. poorly :) |
| 12:08.19 | DawnLigh1 | i would've gotten to what you've said in a moment |
| 12:08.30 | abrotman | if he can't ssh to/from the same box .. that's a pretty good indication ssh from a remote box won't work |
| 12:09.14 | DawnLigh1 | locco: try ssh -v localhost from the host |
| 12:09.28 | abrotman | hey .. i said that! |
| 12:09.31 | locco | nmaping host IP from the client only shows 80 and 8080 |
| 12:09.40 | DawnLigh1 | see, abrot |
| 12:10.00 | abrotman | see what? |
| 12:10.08 | DawnLigh1 | there's a firewall or something |
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| 12:10.59 | locco | unless i got a firewall installed when i installed debian, i dont have any |
| 12:11.10 | locco | i did ssh -v localhost |
| 12:11.13 | abrotman | locco: on the server .. does `ssh localhost` work ? |
| 12:11.22 | abrotman | DawnLigh1: and that doesn't indicate a firewall |
| 12:11.36 | DawnLigh1 | that's why "or something" |
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| 12:12.10 | locco | "ssh localhost" gives me:ssh_exchange_identification: connection closed by remote host |
| 12:13.03 | DawnLigh1 | i don't know what that message means. google it, perhaps. also, paste your output with the -v option |
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| 12:14.43 | locco | htto://rafb.net/p/DxZFtp64.html |
| 12:14.50 | locco | http://rafb.net/p/DxZFtp64.html |
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| 12:17.25 | null_byte | hello... i am encountering a problem when trying to netinstall debian from a cd... i boot from cd, and it tells me: No CD-Rom drive was detected... any help please? I am getting mad :( |
| 12:17.42 | DawnLigh1 | locco: google for that message |
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| 12:18.07 | DawnLigh1 | null_byte: what cpu is that and what architecture the iso is? |
| 12:18.24 | null_byte | i386 |
| 12:18.28 | null_byte | intel |
| 12:18.36 | null_byte | i have ata hard drive |
| 12:19.22 | DawnLigh1 | what cpu has the system? |
| 12:19.35 | null_byte | Intel Pentium Dual Core 1.60ghz |
| 12:19.47 | pumpkin0 | which hex-editor in debian is worth installing? |
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| 12:21.11 | DawnLigh1 | null_byte: is it 64 bit? |
| 12:21.27 | locco | uhm |
| 12:21.39 | null_byte | no |
| 12:21.40 | null_byte | 32 |
| 12:21.41 | null_byte | :) |
| 12:21.51 | locco | they say that i have connected to ssh too many times, but this is surely not the problem since I got that error the first time i tried |
| 12:22.02 | DawnLigh1 | are the jumpers on the hdd and cdrom set up correctly? |
| 12:22.11 | null_byte | newbie here |
| 12:22.15 | null_byte | what?:D |
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| 12:22.43 | DawnLigh1 | null_byte: you don't know what jumpers are? |
| 12:22.49 | null_byte | no :| |
| 12:23.01 | null_byte | i simply just burnt the image to cd |
| 12:23.25 | DawnLigh1 | jumpers are... |
| 12:23.26 | tramjoe_merin | is amazed. first day on this channel, never seen any irc chan more OPT than this one |
| 12:23.32 | tramjoe_merin | s/OPT/OT |
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| 12:24.37 | null_byte | ? |
| 12:25.01 | DawnLigh1 | null_byte: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jumper_%28computing%29 |
| 12:25.15 | Garda | what does it mean if a package is "being adopted" |
| 12:25.25 | Garda | does that mean it's in transition between maintainers |
| 12:25.36 | Garda | or hasn't been part of debian before? |
| 12:25.41 | Garda | or something else? |
| 12:25.43 | DawnLigh1 | the former |
| 12:26.08 | null_byte | oh they are ok :) |
| 12:26.44 | null_byte | so? :( |
| 12:26.56 | DawnLigh1 | null_byte: what is the message you get from debian-installer, exactly? |
| 12:27.11 | Garda | why does richo want to DCC chat with me? |
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| 12:27.16 | Garda | is it a bot? |
| 12:27.39 | null_byte | No common CD-ROM drive was detected. You may need to load additional CD-ROM drivers from a driver floppy. Load CD-ROM drivers from a driver floppy? [Yes] [No] |
| 12:27.40 | DawnLigh1 | i don't know any bot named richo and bots don't do that |
| 12:27.48 | null_byte | i don't have any floppy |
| 12:27.52 | null_byte | slot |
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| 12:28.26 | DawnLigh1 | null_byte: i think that usually happens when the wrong architecture is used |
| 12:28.33 | abrotman | uh? |
| 12:28.36 | null_byte | but it is a i386 :| |
| 12:28.37 | null_byte | and |
| 12:28.49 | null_byte | when i want to select manually, i select cdrom, and tells that is failed |
| 12:28.57 | abrotman | null_byte: did you try the etch and lenny installers ? |
| 12:29.11 | null_byte | abrotman: i have etch net installer cd |
| 12:29.14 | null_byte | ~160mb |
| 12:29.27 | abrotman | which version? |
| 12:29.34 | abrotman | 4.0r3 or r4a ? |
| 12:29.42 | null_byte | debian-40r4a-i386-netinst.iso |
| 12:29.46 | null_byte | 40r4a |
| 12:29.52 | abrotman | did it give you a choice of kernel? like .18 or .24 ? |
| 12:30.07 | null_byte | no, i just inserted the cd, pressed enter to boot, and have this error |
| 12:30.33 | cloudy_nz | did you burn from an ISO properly, null? |
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| 12:30.41 | abrotman | when selecting a mirror or just after it boots ? |
| 12:30.45 | null_byte | yes, a cd rw :) |
| 12:30.51 | null_byte | abrotman: after it boots |
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| 12:31.36 | cloudy_nz | I had to go through 3 CDs to get Debian installed first time, you might need to download and burn again |
| 12:31.52 | cloudy_nz | something like Nero in Windows is great for unpacking & burning ISOs |
| 12:31.53 | abrotman | it sounds like it's booting though |
| 12:32.06 | abrotman | usually if it's a bad burn, it won't even boot |
| 12:32.15 | locco | I recommend ImgBurn |
| 12:32.19 | null_byte | i burnt it with magic iso |
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| 12:32.43 | alturiak | hum. I'm looking for the unionfs-modules package for etchnhalf (2.6.24). is there simply no such package or do I need to add another repository for etchnhalf-stuff? |
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| 12:32.59 | abrotman | alturiak: they just might not exist/have been built yet |
| 12:33.01 | null_byte | abrotman: should i re-burn it with imgburn? |
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| 12:33.12 | abrotman | null_byte: you can try .. but burn at a slow speed like 4x |
| 12:33.18 | abrotman | doubt it will make a difference |
| 12:33.23 | null_byte | i dont care:D i want it to work |
| 12:33.29 | null_byte | i am tired of ubuntu |
| 12:33.33 | SPF | what's the command to request hdd info like number of mounts UUID etc. ? |
| 12:33.38 | cloudy_nz | did you check your BIOS settings, null? make sure it's set to boot from CD at startup |
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| 12:33.45 | abrotman | he said it boots |
| 12:33.49 | null_byte | cloudy_nz: yes, first boot device is cdrom and it boots |
| 12:34.01 | null_byte | wait, i will reburn.. brb a while |
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| 12:36.02 | alturiak | abrotman: I see. probably gotta convince my colleague to go back to the etch-kernel, I guess. not that we needed 2.6.24 anyway... *grumbles* :) |
| 12:36.07 | alturiak | thanks. |
| 12:36.16 | abrotman | alturiak: yeah .. or recompile the package yourself perhaps ? |
| 12:37.00 | abrotman | alturiak: /msg dpkg source .. see if you can make it yourself for the .24 kernel |
| 12:37.10 | alturiak | will give it a shot, thanks |
| 12:37.21 | abrotman | doesn't know the implications of redoing a -modules package like that |
| 12:37.46 | Dephisto | hello guys |
| 12:38.01 | alturiak | neither do I, I failed badly in attempts to do it with aufs, but that might be related to the aufs-source and documentation, which seems a bit weird. ;-) |
| 12:38.12 | Dephisto | does any one has some experiences with irda + pda? |
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| 12:38.22 | Dephisto | irda is ok, irdadump recognize my pda |
| 12:38.41 | Dephisto | but i do not know how to receive and send items |
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| 12:39.30 | Dephisto | i use only this - irattach irda0 -s and this does not create /dev/ircomm0 or something else, that i need to connect by Jpilot, or something else |
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| 12:44.03 | EarthLion | useradd mynewuser -d /home/blah according to the man pages the -d argument means that when the login they will default to that directory. Will it affect the files already in blah, or just set a default location? |
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| 12:45.25 | SPF | when will e2fsck be activated on boot by which values tune2fs -l <dev_id> is giving me? ( Mount count / Maximum mount count ) |
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| 12:45.48 | SPF | when 'mount count' == 'Maximum mount count' ? |
| 12:46.19 | Dephisto | so many people... and no advices |
| 12:46.57 | SPF | it's friday :) |
| 12:47.39 | hoxu | Dephisto, I can give you advice: read the documentation |
| 12:47.53 | Dephisto | of what? |
| 12:48.07 | hoxu | whatever was your question |
| 12:48.19 | Dephisto | it all needs /dev/and there something |
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| 12:48.27 | Dephisto | but i do not have irda on port.. |
| 12:48.46 | Dephisto | or if, where it is |
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| 12:50.43 | ninix | hi, can we specify to "dpkg -i" to install dependencies ? (with apt-get ..) |
| 12:50.47 | ninix | my package is local |
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| 12:51.20 | MacGyverNL | Hmm. |
| 12:51.44 | MacGyverNL | I can't tell this VMWare to boot from CD, but I do have a grub interface and a bootable iso image loaded. |
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| 12:52.09 | MacGyverNL | Can anyone assist me (or point me to where I should get assistance) getting this CD to boot? |
| 12:52.19 | MacGyverNL | (CD is a gparted liveCD) |
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| 12:53.04 | jelly-home | MacGyverNL: #gparted on irc.gnome.org? |
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| 12:53.39 | jelly-home | MacGyverNL: or, probably, #vmware |
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| 13:00.12 | eroticon | hello folks |
| 13:00.16 | eroticon | I have a tar.gz file with 4 duplicate files inside (same name, same size, etc) at least thats what I see when I tar -txf it... |
| 13:00.19 | eroticon | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.03 | yunosh | hi, is there some option to dpkg to verify installed packages? something along "rpm -V"? |
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| 13:02.50 | petemc | yunosh: debsums |
| 13:02.59 | Lartza8 | what would be good window manager for 500mhz cpu and 128 ram |
| 13:03.12 | yunosh | petemc: thx |
| 13:03.16 | petemc | Lartza8: xfce4 works well |
| 13:03.23 | xsdg | high-fives petemc |
| 13:03.28 | xsdg | xfce4 is awesome |
| 13:03.38 | Lartza8 | but for 500mhz |
| 13:03.38 | danners_ | awesome is awesome |
| 13:03.42 | Lartza8 | fluxbox better? |
| 13:03.48 | xsdg | Lartza8: xfwm is fine |
| 13:03.53 | petemc | suck it and see |
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| 13:04.11 | Lartza8 | maybe i will |
| 13:04.18 | petemc | thats the spirit |
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| 13:04.25 | Lartza8 | not sure that it will fork on 500mhz and 128mb ram |
| 13:04.36 | xsdg | Lartza8: why are you not sure about this? |
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| 13:04.45 | xsdg | I've run it with no issues on a P-II of mine |
| 13:05.05 | xsdg | running firefox and Tbird, no less |
| 13:05.05 | petemc | i used it on a really old thinkpad |
| 13:05.05 | Lartza8 | and doesnt installing xfce4 install a lot of "crap"? |
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| 13:05.18 | xsdg | Lartza8: err... no... |
| 13:05.26 | Lartza8 | like games and |
| 13:05.27 | xsdg | Lartza8: you're thinking of GNOME |
| 13:05.32 | Lartza8 | ok |
| 13:06.14 | Lartza8 | well i have most experience about gnome |
| 13:06.22 | Lartza8 | i have tried fluxbox and xfce too |
| 13:06.24 | Lartza8 | no others |
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| 13:06.53 | xsdg | Lartza8: I've used xfce on systems a lot worse off than yours; you'll be fine |
| 13:06.54 | _tim_ | hi. is there a default root password when i set none when installing? |
| 13:07.01 | idimmu | im pretty sure that unless youre running LFS youve got a lot of crap installed anyway |
| 13:07.02 | Lartza8 | ok |
| 13:07.03 | stefan_k | hello, is it ok to create with dd an image of an first hdd (a.e. 20 GB) to a new hdd of a.e. 80GB? And then grow the partition (ext3) to 80GB with gparted? Does gparted automatically edit the partition tables with the right block size? |
| 13:07.06 | Lartza8 | gonna fire it up soon |
| 13:07.16 | idimmu | so unless you stuck in 1985 .. |
| 13:07.16 | xsdg | idimmu: not necessarily |
| 13:07.30 | Lartza8 | idimmu i havent got |
| 13:07.43 | Lartza8 | debian net install with no server or desktop package |
| 13:08.18 | Lartza8 | i might be back here when i run to problems when i fire the baby |
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| 13:08.28 | Lartza8 | irssi is command line irc right? |
| 13:08.35 | Lartza8 | and what is command line browser? |
| 13:08.35 | petemc | Lartza8: yes |
| 13:08.39 | petemc | w3m, links |
| 13:08.45 | Lartza8 | right |
| 13:08.45 | jelly-home | stefan_k: it ought to work ... if gparted isn't buggy |
| 13:08.51 | Lartza8 | didnt remember the names |
| 13:08.55 | Lartza8 | bye all and thanks |
| 13:09.09 | Lartza8 | oh... |
| 13:09.20 | Lartza8 | does the debian net install have usb support? |
| 13:09.21 | Lartza8 | :P |
| 13:09.35 | Lartza8 | i have usb keyboard and mouse |
| 13:09.37 | petemc | yes |
| 13:09.38 | Lartza8 | just to be sure |
| 13:09.40 | Lartza8 | ok |
| 13:09.47 | Lartza8 | never cant be too sure |
| 13:09.54 | Lartza8 | now bye |
| 13:10.47 | zyx386 | burn iso image is simple "wodim image.iso" |
| 13:10.50 | zyx386 | ? |
| 13:11.40 | SeveredCross | Not quiote. |
| 13:11.48 | SeveredCross | wodim dev=/dev/something image.iso |
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| 13:12.37 | bjwebb | hello |
| 13:12.52 | bjwebb | how do i list all packages installed on my system? |
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| 13:13.30 | xsdg | bjwebb: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 13:13.31 | petemc | bjwebb: dpkg -l |
| 13:13.38 | null_byte | reburnt, same error :(((( |
| 13:13.50 | bjwebb | thankyou |
| 13:15.03 | null_byte | is weird, because on other distros i never encountered this error :(( |
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| 13:16.03 | bjwebb | xsdg, petemc: i want to write a python app that does stuff with that information |
| 13:16.19 | DawnLigh1 | what is wrong with the bittorrent tracker? |
| 13:16.21 | abrotman | !tell bjwebb about installed |
| 13:16.32 | abrotman | null_byte: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 13:16.44 | abrotman | if they're awake |
| 13:16.44 | petemc | aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M' |
| 13:16.48 | petemc | such wonderful syntax |
| 13:16.48 | null_byte | oK .. i go there brb abrotman |
| 13:16.58 | abrotman | petemc: at least it's not XML! :) |
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| 13:17.05 | cedric3 | hi i want to login x11 gdm with authentification ldap |
| 13:17.07 | petemc | heh |
| 13:17.11 | cedric3 | if yo ucan help me please thanks |
| 13:17.15 | SPF | hmm strange, the higher the load, the slower the system clock runs. It's already 2 minutes beind. kernel issue? I'm running 2.6.18-6-amd64 |
| 13:17.31 | bjwebb | abrotman: thanks |
| 13:17.39 | abrotman | petemc: aptitude search "<installed /><manual not="not" />" ? |
| 13:17.56 | xsdg | abrotman: yo; I fly to California in 2 days. it's crazy |
| 13:18.02 | abrotman | xsdg: excited ? |
| 13:18.09 | abrotman | xsdg: you're going to SF area ? |
| 13:18.20 | cedric3 | nobody have any idea? |
| 13:18.30 | xsdg | abrotman: yup, and yup :o) |
| 13:18.36 | abrotman | cedric3: google pam ldap |
| 13:18.46 | abrotman | xsdg: did you contact other #debian-ish people out there? |
| 13:18.59 | cedric3 | :) thanks |
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| 13:19.12 | null_byte | sleeping beauty there:)) |
| 13:19.13 | xsdg | not yet, no |
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| 13:19.25 | abrotman | xsdg: i think karsten is out in that area .. |
| 13:19.33 | xsdg | cool |
| 13:19.41 | screamingbytes | mornin all |
| 13:19.42 | petemc | get yourself a good dispensary |
| 13:19.42 | abrotman | and helix was .. maybe still is |
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| 13:19.51 | abrotman | i think |
| 13:20.05 | xsdg | shrugs |
| 13:20.18 | null_byte | :-? hey abrotman how can i boot in expert mode? |
| 13:20.20 | xsdg | shouldn't be too bad to figure out, and there'll probably be LUGs or whatever |
| 13:20.21 | abrotman | xsdg: me .. i'm on the right side :) |
| 13:20.28 | abrotman | null_byte: hit f1 .. it should tell you |
| 13:20.32 | null_byte | ok |
| 13:20.38 | xsdg | abrotman: whereabouts? |
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| 13:20.54 | abrotman | xsdg: philly-ish .. but i've got roots up your way |
| 13:21.02 | xsdg | nods |
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| 13:21.25 | abrotman | hopefully i'll get up to the cape or berkshires in a month or so .. see what the doctor says |
| 13:21.37 | xsdg | cool |
| 13:22.16 | xsdg | abrotman: unfortunately, it's time to write up a blog post, and then give my machine a timeout in some boxes :o( |
| 13:22.28 | abrotman | xsdg: eep! .. but you've got two days left! |
| 13:22.51 | JonLur | I want to interact with a webserver through scripting. Is there a library that has http "speaking" capabilities? |
| 13:23.11 | xsdg | abrotman: yeah, but I'm FedEx/UPSing stuff, and 3-day is a lot cheaper than 2- or 1-day |
| 13:23.12 | abrotman | perl likely does .. and probably python too |
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| 13:23.21 | abrotman | xsdg: you need a laptop to carry on :) |
| 13:23.25 | xsdg | and ruby ;o) |
| 13:23.39 | xsdg | abrotman: oh, I've got a laptop. It just doesn't have photos on it |
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| 13:23.51 | xsdg | (well, it has some, but not many) |
| 13:23.55 | petemc | !lwp |
| 13:23.55 | dpkg | from memory, lwp is libwww-perl, a collection of www-related stuff for Perl. It includes URL/URI/CGI/anything. |
| 13:23.56 | lartza074 | what is the root pass? |
| 13:23.59 | abrotman | xsdg: gotcha .. have a good flight .. we'll see you on the other end? |
| 13:24.07 | abrotman | lartza074: the one you picked |
| 13:24.08 | xsdg | yup |
| 13:24.13 | abrotman | xsdg: don't forget about us! |
| 13:24.19 | lartza074 | havent picked anything i remember |
| 13:24.26 | abrotman | it asks you during installation |
| 13:24.33 | lartza074 | where is it setted? |
| 13:24.38 | JonLur | Thanks |
| 13:24.40 | lartza074 | didnt ask i think |
| 13:24.45 | lartza074 | net instal |
| 13:24.54 | abrotman | yes it did |
| 13:24.58 | lartza074 | oh |
| 13:25.03 | lartza074 | how to recover forgotten one? |
| 13:25.08 | abrotman | you even have to enter it twice |
| 13:25.09 | petemc | !ifrp |
| 13:25.09 | dpkg | hmm... ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 13:25.12 | abrotman | !tell lartza074 about ifrp |
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| 13:25.25 | abrotman | thinks petemc had that one waiting! |
| 13:25.36 | petemc | all morning ive been waiting |
| 13:25.51 | abrotman | isn't it afternoon there? |
| 13:25.55 | petemc | yes |
| 13:26.00 | petemc | but i waited all morning |
| 13:26.10 | petemc | only some of the afternoon |
| 13:26.13 | petemc | more moring |
| 13:26.30 | abrotman | heh |
| 13:26.54 | petemc | speaking of which, i think its pub time |
| 13:26.54 | lartza074 | ifrp command not found |
| 13:26.59 | abrotman | petemc: POETS ? |
| 13:27.09 | lartza074 | i need to recover lost root password |
| 13:27.11 | petemc | come again? |
| 13:27.20 | abrotman | petemc: Piss Off Early, Tomorrow's Saturday |
| 13:27.27 | petemc | ah, heh, aye |
| 13:27.37 | xsdg | lartza074: read what dpkg said |
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| 13:27.45 | lartza074 | since i cant install anything since i cant use sudo |
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| 13:28.01 | VladimirMelo | anybody knows which gnome is running on etch n half? |
| 13:28.13 | abrotman | VladimirMelo: packages.debian.org |
| 13:28.18 | abrotman | same one that etch originally had |
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| 13:28.32 | VladimirMelo | is going there |
| 13:29.06 | lartza074 | i odnt understand from 2 ot end |
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| 13:29.24 | abrotman | might be easier to reinstall ? |
| 13:29.25 | wols_ | lartza074: then su to root |
| 13:29.36 | abrotman | he doesn't remember his root passwd |
| 13:29.52 | wols_ | !tell lartza074 about forgot root password |
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| 13:30.15 | abrotman | been down that road |
| 13:30.23 | abrotman | he gets lost at step #2 |
| 13:30.27 | wols_ | abrotman: you could have told me! |
| 13:30.41 | wols_ | lartza074: it tells you to run the command fsck on your root partition |
| 13:30.43 | abrotman | scroll up 20 lines |
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| 13:31.03 | wols_ | that's kinda work! |
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| 13:31.19 | wols_ | and why would I do work in here? |
| 13:31.21 | trakinas | morning/evening/night! |
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| 13:31.35 | lartza074 | why fsck |
| 13:31.43 | lartza074 | there is wiki page that says its not needed |
| 13:31.51 | wols_ | it'S a precaution |
| 13:31.51 | jpinx | anyone know how to get firefox to work - it comes up as iceweasel |
| 13:32.02 | wols_ | jpinx: there is no firefox in debian |
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| 13:32.09 | lartza074 | it goes from init=/bin/bash straight to mounting |
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| 13:32.24 | lartza074 | so how do i check root filesystem |
| 13:32.27 | jpinx | wols: ok :\ |
| 13:32.27 | abrotman | jpinx: that's the way it works in Debian |
| 13:32.32 | wols_ | lartza074: it tells you right there. with fsck |
| 13:32.32 | lartza074 | just fsck? |
| 13:32.34 | abrotman | !tell jpinx about why iceweasel |
| 13:32.41 | lartza074 | nothing else? |
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| 13:32.45 | wols_ | lartza074: man fsckj |
| 13:32.46 | wols_ | lartza074: man fsck |
| 13:32.57 | lartza074 | ill reboot |
| 13:33.01 | lartza074 | how do i do that? |
| 13:33.05 | lartza074 | :D |
| 13:33.17 | lartza074 | really forgotten many things about linux systems |
| 13:33.22 | trakinas | need help with tar. I need to generate a tar containing only a file and not its full path. for example: the tar would containg file.foo, which is located on /home/user/bar/file.foo. I cant create the tar, but it also has /home/user/bar... and that is not disered. |
| 13:33.37 | jpinx | abrotman: thanks - clear now, but still doesn't fix the fact that it doesn't work with things like googlemap. |
| 13:34.12 | lartza074 | how to reboot from commandline? |
| 13:34.15 | lartza074 | or shut down |
| 13:34.30 | wols_ | man shutdown |
| 13:35.00 | lartza074 | so what is this man? |
| 13:35.06 | lartza074 | thats not in ubuntu |
| 13:35.12 | trakinas | lartza074: manual... |
| 13:35.15 | screamingbytes | man = manual |
| 13:35.21 | lartza074 | ok |
| 13:35.24 | wols_ | lartza074: we don't support ubuntu. goodbye |
| 13:35.32 | lartza074 | ... |
| 13:35.33 | wols_ | lartza074: ask in #ubuntu |
| 13:35.37 | trakinas | lartza074: anyway... reboot or shutdown -r now. |
| 13:35.49 | lartza074 | i dont have ubuntu |
| 13:35.56 | wols_ | ? |
| 13:36.02 | lartza074 | reboot and shutdown give command not found |
| 13:36.02 | wols_ | 115:35 < lartza074> thats not in ubuntu |
| 13:36.12 | wols_ | lartza074: only root can use them |
| 13:36.20 | lartza074 | man reboot worked |
| 13:36.24 | wols_ | lartza074: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 13:36.30 | lartza074 | i have used ubuntu and didnt know what man |
| 13:36.32 | lartza074 | is |
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| 13:36.38 | lartza074 | and still dont know |
| 13:36.46 | trakinas | lartza074: man is MANUAL |
| 13:36.49 | wols_ | lartza074: run the command I just gave you and please paste the resulting line |
| 13:36.55 | trakinas | or, man man |
| 13:36.57 | trakinas | =P |
| 13:37.02 | lartza074 | already rebooted |
| 13:37.11 | lartza074 | to do the ifrp thing |
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| 13:37.26 | abrotman | jpinx: it does .. i use it |
| 13:38.19 | Hoxzer | My laptop has totally lost its sound. Only bios does beeps but when I boot linux everything is tottally muted. This is the way it happened -> I was watching series -> I quickly had to go to eat so I shut my laptop down -> but it quicly in to closet -> came back after 20mins -> booted -> sound gone. |
| 13:38.22 | lartza074 | man reboot didn twork after all |
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| 13:38.43 | Hoxzer | Should I consider my soundchip as broken ? |
| 13:38.46 | trakinas | lartza074: did you understando what man is? |
| 13:38.51 | trakinas | *understand |
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| 13:39.03 | Hoxzer | I have tried headphones and speakers |
| 13:39.33 | lartza074 | no |
| 13:39.49 | trakinas | Hoxzer: see if your levels are up - alsamixer |
| 13:39.54 | trakinas | lartza074: man man |
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| 13:40.11 | lartza074 | i cant get | |
| 13:40.17 | lartza074 | to run your command wols |
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| 13:40.52 | trakinas | lartza074: i.e = userwithoutlogin@athena:~$ man man |
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| 13:41.19 | Hoxzer | trakinas: done |
| 13:41.23 | Hoxzer | trakinas: They are up |
| 13:41.53 | trakinas | Hoxzer: unmuted? |
| 13:41.59 | lartza074 | wols your command didnt work |
| 13:42.16 | lartza074 | how to recover lost root password other way than said on ifrp or how to reboot??? |
| 13:42.22 | trakinas | Hoxzer: try playing something with alsaplayer... i think it is aplayer |
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| 13:42.28 | jackweb | hello |
| 13:42.32 | lartza074 | hi |
| 13:42.42 | lartza074 | you know how to reboot my computer? |
| 13:42.45 | lartza074 | or anyone? |
| 13:43.01 | jackweb | how to remove hidden dirs of removed programs? |
| 13:43.02 | trakinas | lartza074: you are not into your ordinary system? you are in rescue mode or smth? |
| 13:43.15 | trakinas | jackweb: rm -rf /dir/ |
| 13:43.16 | lartza074 | not that i know |
| 13:43.36 | lartza074 | i booted isngle user mode but could get to root since it prompts password too... |
| 13:43.38 | abrotman | trakinas: no -f needed |
| 13:43.40 | trakinas | jackweb: ooops... rm -rf .dir/ |
| 13:43.46 | lartza074 | so i pressed shift+c or something |
| 13:43.59 | trakinas | abrotman: i always use -f... hehee |
| 13:43.59 | jackweb | trakinas: no, I deleted many programs and ~/. dirs are still in my home directory |
| 13:44.07 | lartza074 | reboot gives command not found |
| 13:44.11 | lartza074 | so does shutdown |
| 13:44.17 | wols_ | lartza074: you must be root to use those commands |
| 13:44.21 | lartza074 | man shutdown |
| 13:44.21 | jackweb | I want to delete unused dirs |
| 13:44.24 | lartza074 | and man reboot |
| 13:44.28 | wols_ | since your problem is you can't use root... |
| 13:44.30 | lartza074 | give some serious info |
| 13:44.33 | psycodad_ | rm -rf is something you get used to on rh-based sys |
| 13:44.36 | trakinas | lartza074: dude, man is for MANUAL |
| 13:44.46 | lartza074 | and i cant even use sudo! |
| 13:44.48 | wols_ | lartza074: then I suggest you start reading it |
| 13:44.52 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 13:44.53 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
| 13:44.53 | trakinas | lartza074: like that little book that came with your new tv |
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| 13:44.58 | r00tintheb0x | Hey all, im trying to pull all attachments with a certain extension from a mail server... anyone know of a practical way to do so? Its a Zimbra server, im basicaly trying to pull all .xml attachments out of the /opt/zimbra/store folder and SCP them to another server for conversion. I was thinking I could use some sort of MIME tool to strip them recursively... but im having problems finding anything. Anyone think something like this would work |
| 13:44.58 | r00tintheb0x | ? http://www.fpx.de/fp/Software/UUDeview/ |
| 13:45.12 | trakinas | lartza074: to reboot you enter: shutdown -r now or only reboot |
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| 13:45.32 | wols_ | r00tintheb0x: what format are those xml files? |
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| 13:45.41 | abrotman | xml? |
| 13:45.41 | trakinas | lartza074: to reboot you enter: shutdown -r now or only reboot |
| 13:45.48 | wols_ | trakinas: he isn't root and can't get into his root account |
| 13:45.50 | trakinas | ops, sorry for the double msg |
| 13:45.51 | r00tintheb0x | wols_, regular plain text .xml |
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| 13:45.58 | trakinas | wols_: i see... |
| 13:46.00 | r00tintheb0x | but, they're stuck in a .msg file. |
| 13:46.10 | abrotman | probably all base64 encoded too |
| 13:46.11 | lartza074 | oh |
| 13:46.14 | wols_ | r00tintheb0x: uudeview can't decode xml. and "regular xml", a misnomer when I ever heard one... |
| 13:46.18 | r00tintheb0x | Zimbra has a weird way of storing things, i thought i'd just be able to use copy/paste commands. |
| 13:46.24 | lartza074 | i thougt manual as doing something manually |
| 13:46.28 | trakinas | wols_: control+alt+delete then? =P |
| 13:46.30 | lartza074 | im gonna change distro soon... |
| 13:46.38 | abrotman | doesn't zimbra store them in a courier mailstore? |
| 13:46.40 | wols_ | lartza074: something else than debian? |
| 13:46.56 | wols_ | abrotman: it's called maildir :) |
| 13:46.58 | abrotman | r00tintheb0x: there is also a #zimbra |
| 13:47.02 | jackweb | trakinas: I'm looking for sth as 'purge', what automatically remove unused dirs of removed programs |
| 13:47.04 | lartza074 | well i am at deian now so changing distro in this case is something else than debian... |
| 13:47.05 | r00tintheb0x | Hmm |
| 13:47.06 | abrotman | wols_: yeah .. but i didn't want to confuse with cyrus |
| 13:47.07 | r00tintheb0x | THanks abrotman |
| 13:47.19 | trakinas | jackweb: anyway... these hidden dirs keeps your configuration files, so that when you re install your apps they will have almost the same configuration they did previously |
| 13:47.23 | abrotman | jackweb: it doesn't exist |
| 13:47.37 | r00tintheb0x | heh wols_ @ regular .xml |
| 13:47.38 | lartza074 | nobody said ctrl+alt+del earlier |
| 13:47.45 | r00tintheb0x | They look like html kinda, im not a programmer. |
| 13:47.51 | lartza074 | and so mad that didnt come to my mind |
| 13:47.58 | r00tintheb0x | im just trying to get this striped and SCPed so it can be converted. |
| 13:48.13 | jackweb | and how to show size of hidden dirs? |
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| 13:48.30 | jackweb | du -h --max-depths=0 ./* doesn't show hidden |
| 13:48.32 | jackweb | dirs |
| 13:48.40 | trakinas | jackweb: ls -lh .dirs |
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| 13:48.58 | lartza074 | CRAP |
| 13:49.02 | lartza074 | im done with this |
| 13:49.02 | psycodad_ | jackweb: * doesbt match .dir, use .* |
| 13:49.07 | lartza074 | how many megs is netinstall? |
| 13:49.09 | trakinas | where dirs would be, for example, .gnucash/ |
| 13:49.12 | psycodad_ | s/doesbt/doesnt/ |
| 13:49.25 | lartza074 | how many megs is netinstall? |
| 13:49.28 | jackweb | ok, thank you |
| 13:49.28 | abrotman | 160MB or so |
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| 13:49.53 | lartza074 | how fast are the servers? |
| 13:50.06 | lartza074 | can i get 2000kb/s download speed? |
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| 13:50.09 | abrotman | try it and see |
| 13:50.22 | roe_ | I don't know if it is a udev issue or what, but I removed a HD from my system and when I plug it back in it is coming up with a different sdx |
| 13:50.31 | lartza074 | aww and i need to get the floppies |
| 13:50.35 | lartza074 | not gonna do it today |
| 13:50.43 | lartza074 | so back to boot windows... |
| 13:50.45 | roe_ | as this hd is part of a raid, i would like it to use the same letter |
| 13:50.49 | lartza074 | bye all |
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| 13:51.43 | wols_ | roe_: plug it in the same way as before. ie same plug, same controller |
| 13:51.50 | jackweb | and the last question - can I remove ~/.strigi/ in Ubuntu? It weights ~1.5G! |
| 13:51.54 | roe_ | wols_, you |
| 13:51.57 | roe_ | er, yup |
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| 13:52.27 | abrotman | jackweb: ask #ubuntu |
| 13:52.36 | jackweb | ok |
| 13:52.37 | wols_ | jackweb: #ubuntu |
| 13:52.38 | psycodad_ | jackweb: no really a debian question, but better remove strigi completely if you don't use it |
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| 13:52.45 | abrotman | huh? |
| 13:53.00 | jackweb | ok |
| 13:54.22 | Hoxzer | trakinas: No luck |
| 13:54.42 | trakinas | Hoxzer: but did it output any msg? |
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| 13:55.10 | trakinas | Hoxzer: the idea was to see if aplayer outputs anything that can help us to solve this. |
| 13:55.12 | steven_ | anyone here come across the devide-by-zero bug in the debian etch installer when using a recipe with partman ?? |
| 13:55.19 | Hoxzer | trakinas: Actually it opened gui. Andno |
| 13:55.28 | trakinas | and anyone who can help mt with tae? |
| 13:55.55 | trakinas | Hoxzer: even though, if you called it from the terminal it would output msgs. |
| 13:56.06 | trakinas | Hoxzer: do you have mplayer? |
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| 13:56.20 | Hoxzer | trakinas: yeah |
| 13:56.32 | alberto | Hi, is there a way for launching iftop as normal user? Thanks. |
| 13:57.14 | wols_ | alberto:use sudo, etc |
| 13:57.15 | trakinas | Hoxzer: then, mplayer anyfileaudiofile |
| 13:57.19 | Hoxzer | trakinas: it acts likeeverything is ok |
| 13:58.03 | trakinas | Hoxzer: if there's any troubles on alsa/your audio deamon it should shows us some errors. |
| 13:58.29 | Hoxzer | trakinas: i tdoesn't |
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| 13:59.03 | trakinas | Hoxzer: weiiiiiird... do you use deamon or alsa for the audio? |
| 13:59.07 | Hoxzer | trakinas: i complains about joystick device and lirc and those are unrelated |
| 13:59.19 | Hoxzer | trakinas: alsa |
| 13:59.25 | unixSnob | What's the real difference between iceweasel, and firefox? |
| 13:59.33 | trakinas | Hoxzer: oh yes. no problem at all... can you pastebin your mplayr output? |
| 13:59.39 | roe_ | unixSnob, artwork |
| 13:59.39 | abrotman | !tell unixSnob about why iceweasel |
| 13:59.44 | trakinas | unixSnob: only license things. |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | both wrong ? |
| 13:59.53 | unixSnob | I cannot access my pay account w/ iceweasel |
| 13:59.54 | trakinas | unixSnob: google can explain you this better |
| 13:59.57 | unixSnob | s/pay/paypal/ |
| 14:00.00 | trakinas | unixSnob: I can. |
| 14:00.20 | Hoxzer | trakinas: takes a while but yes |
| 14:00.40 | trakinas | !pastebin |
| 14:00.41 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
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| 14:00.57 | trakinas | Hoxzer: paste here - http://rafb.net/paste/ |
| 14:01.56 | Hoxzer | http://rafb.net/p/r00Gnf22.html |
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| 14:04.16 | locco | hey, i've been having problems with my ssh server.. after googling for an hour and trying all of the solutions, i found a wierd one. it told me to type "chmod 775 -R /var/" |
| 14:04.41 | bolt_ | How can I control whether man pages will reformat to fit the terminal size or not? |
| 14:04.49 | locco | and now when i try to restart ssh it tells me /var/run/sshd must be owned by root and not group or world-writeable |
| 14:04.53 | peppe | locco: are you crazy? don't do that |
| 14:04.54 | locco | how do I fix it? |
| 14:04.58 | locco | already did |
| 14:05.01 | peppe | d'oh! |
| 14:05.03 | locco | so much for trusting google |
| 14:05.26 | trakinas | Hoxzer: try gstreamer-properties and change the sound devices. |
| 14:05.45 | locco | is there any way to fix it? |
| 14:05.54 | peppe | it's not google, is "some lamer forum" + "I don't understand the commands I give on my pc; nevertheless I do them, blindly" |
| 14:06.17 | Hoxzer | trakinas: dontr have that insstalled |
| 14:06.34 | trakinas | Hoxzer: esd? or any other deamon soud? |
| 14:06.36 | trakinas | *sound |
| 14:06.49 | Hoxzer | trakinas: nope |
| 14:07.17 | trakinas | Hoxzer: i think there are a alsa command to restart it, cant remember which one... |
| 14:07.38 | Hoxzer | alsa ? |
| 14:07.46 | locco | peppe, is there anything i can do about it? |
| 14:07.52 | rahsputin | restart what ? |
| 14:08.00 | Hoxzer | etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart ? |
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| 14:08.07 | Hoxzer | alsa tired that |
| 14:08.15 | trakinas | Hoxzer: maybe. not sure... |
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| 14:08.38 | trakinas | Hoxzer: i had same problem long time ago, but was something with esd... |
| 14:08.52 | trakinas | i mean: no sound with everything okay |
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| 14:09.18 | rahsputin | # alsconf ? |
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| 14:09.53 | nkuttler | locco: reinstalling is always an option |
| 14:10.15 | opensrcguru | how often do the etch install iso's get updated? |
| 14:10.42 | locco | lol |
| 14:10.47 | stew | locco: i'd recommend just restoring /var from your most recent backup |
| 14:11.01 | Hoxzer | trakinas: this really happened like I did nothing but reboot |
| 14:11.14 | locco | for 2 days i've been trying to get that shit to work on debian. on ubuntu i got it working within 15 mins |
| 14:11.18 | nkuttler | locco: i'm not joking. if at least you had chmod -R g+rw there would have been some hope. |
| 14:11.36 | trakinas | Hoxzer: sometimes computers behaves badly; |
| 14:12.02 | psycodad_ | locco: installing ubuntu would solve your problem too. |
| 14:12.04 | trakinas | locco: i got it working on debian in 10min. lol |
| 14:12.18 | Hoxzer | trakinas: I tried to reload modules now |
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| 14:12.34 | psycodad_ | trakinas: your box must be slow if it takes 10min to complete "apt-get install ssh" |
| 14:13.35 | locco | bah just gonna reinstall debian and give it another try -_- |
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| 14:14.36 | psycodad_ | locco: store your installed packages and save your date and your back running quickly after reinstall. |
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| 14:14.52 | nkuttler | locco: ask here when you have problems. don't type commands you don't understand. |
| 14:14.54 | trakinas | psycodad_: i was talking about apt-getting and configuring it. =P |
| 14:14.59 | psycodad_ | bah, fatfingers today... s/date/data/ |
| 14:15.04 | locco | yeah i did ask here |
| 14:15.09 | locco | i got redirected to google |
| 14:15.12 | locco | :P |
| 14:15.16 | newsense | yeah recipes=problems |
| 14:15.19 | nkuttler | locco: :/ |
| 14:15.22 | trakinas | Hoxzer: any success? |
| 14:15.37 | newsense | recipes are for cakes not linux lol |
| 14:16.01 | psycodad_ | trakinas: so you are reciting the config file ;-) |
| 14:16.04 | null_byte | hey again :D... got rid of that error... but now when I install "Standard system" and "Desktop environment" it says: Configuring | Installation step failed. with no more infos! i am using installgui |
| 14:16.14 | trakinas | is it today that they are going to turn on that machine? i forgot its name in english |
| 14:16.32 | et | skynet? |
| 14:16.48 | trakinas | et: ? |
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| 14:17.32 | trakinas | psycodad_: yep. some little things like access only with key, not password. other port that isnt 22, and othe little things. |
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| 14:19.35 | psycodad_ | trakinas: ok, you squeeze every and all out of it...in 10mins... then its reasonable ;) But I bet locco just wanted a login prompt from remote |
| 14:19.58 | abrotman | trakinas: the LHC ? |
| 14:20.02 | trakinas | psycodad_: =P |
| 14:20.08 | trakinas | abrotman: that!! |
| 14:20.11 | Hoxzer | trakinas: trakinas I think this is not software proplem., Propably pressed some wierd key combination |
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| 14:20.40 | trakinas | Hoxzer: maybe! (checked if the plugs are in their correct role? *jk*) |
| 14:20.58 | locco | wat |
| 14:21.27 | Hoxzer | trakinas: yep |
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| 14:22.13 | trakinas | Hoxzer: btw, i was really joking. i dont have anymore idea... and i have to start properly working now. hehe |
| 14:22.42 | null_byte | any help? |
| 14:23.02 | abrotman | null_byte: TBH .. i always skip tasksel .. |
| 14:23.13 | null_byte | abrotman: what means tbh? |
| 14:23.36 | null_byte | ? |
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| 14:23.45 | locco | to be honest |
| 14:23.50 | null_byte | so i must go directly to: Install the GRUB loader? |
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| 14:24.15 | Hoxzer | trakinas: Well, when I press fn+f3 which in some fujitsu latops is mute sound I hear beepp |
| 14:24.31 | Hoxzer | trumpen: but sound doesn't return |
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| 14:25.08 | trakinas | Hoxzer: if it is laptop then, i cannot help much. never had one. :/ sorry! |
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| 14:25.30 | null_byte | abrotman: is it safe to skip "Select and install software" ? |
| 14:25.48 | zamba | how do i manually rerun grub? |
| 14:26.00 | zamba | based on the configuration in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:26.01 | abrotman | null_byte: that's what i'm saying i do .. |
| 14:26.10 | null_byte | abrotman: ok i am trying |
| 14:26.24 | abrotman | null_byte: and then i just use aptitude to install what i want |
| 14:26.32 | cahoot | zamba: you mean as in not reboot? |
| 14:26.47 | zamba | cahoot: i mean as in installing the mbr |
| 14:27.01 | nkuttler | zamba: isn't it already installed? |
| 14:27.05 | zamba | nkuttler: nope |
| 14:27.18 | zamba | booted from a rescue cd now |
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| 14:27.42 | nkuttler | zamba: grub-install iirc, but check the docs |
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| 14:28.12 | cahoot | how come there's a /boot/grub then? |
| 14:28.20 | nkuttler | zamba: hm, looks like it was grub-setup |
| 14:28.25 | null_byte | abrotman: :| damn... what do you suggest installing for now? :| |
| 14:29.18 | zamba | grub-install <device> |
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| 14:30.18 | zamba | lilo was so much easier :p |
| 14:30.35 | cahoot | sounds like a misconception |
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| 14:30.42 | BlackDollar | hello |
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| 14:31.12 | abrotman | null |
| 14:31.14 | abrotman | bah |
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| 14:32.31 | BlackDollar | I need Help Please |
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| 14:32.57 | dichtbijzee | just ask |
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| 14:36.54 | BlackDollar | PLEASE EVERYONE I NEED HELP |
| 14:37.07 | pickcoder | BlackDollar: ask the question |
| 14:37.13 | cahoot | that's obvious |
| 14:37.21 | BlackDollar | Hmm first i hope i am in the right rooom |
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| 14:37.35 | pickcoder | well it's #debian |
| 14:37.43 | BlackDollar | hope i am talking to crackers |
| 14:37.45 | stew | BlackDollar: please don't use caps |
| 14:37.51 | BlackDollar | why?? |
| 14:37.59 | stew | BlackDollar: becuase it is annoying |
| 14:38.05 | stew | BlackDollar: do you have a debian related question? |
| 14:38.06 | pickcoder | caps == yelling |
| 14:38.07 | BlackDollar | ha ok |
| 14:38.09 | BlackDollar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:38.55 | BlackDollar | ok sir |
| 14:38.55 | BlackDollar | but please i hope i am in the crackers room |
| 14:39.11 | orveldv | Howdy. I need to disable CAPS LOCK. It's very annoying, I always press it by mistake. Any hints? No, I don't use gnome or kde ATM. |
| 14:39.14 | et | polly wants a cracker. |
| 14:39.15 | newsense | ill crack ya |
| 14:39.21 | stew | BlackDollar: if you have a debian related question, as it, otherwise please move on |
| 14:39.46 | newsense | i think he should move on with all that cracker shit |
| 14:39.51 | BlackDollar | no not me |
| 14:40.06 | BlackDollar | i need to learn how to hack bank logins and hack host also |
| 14:40.12 | newsense | ban him |
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| 14:40.13 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@ml82.128.19.208.multilinks.com] by stew |
| 14:40.13 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 14:40.13 | pickcoder | BlackDollar: take it to #freenode |
| 14:40.15 | pickcoder | they can help |
| 14:40.39 | newsense | BlackDollar: start with me, hack me first than move to banks |
| 14:40.46 | newsense | lmao |
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| 14:41.05 | dichtbijzee | good one |
| 14:41.22 | roe_ | I'd skip indie mac, word is they are fresh out |
| 14:41.23 | xororand | BlackDollar: yes, #freenode has some serious crackerz |
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| 14:41.39 | cahoot | why perpetuate the spamming? |
| 14:42.09 | newsense | didnt think i was my bad |
| 14:42.22 | newsense | just not in the mood for idiots sorry |
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| 14:43.26 | roe_ | for a minute I thought he was using "crackers" to describe white people |
| 14:43.42 | newsense | i did too at first lol |
| 14:43.44 | stew | enough, lest please just move on |
| 14:43.49 | newsense | first caught my attention |
| 14:44.05 | newsense | im gonna do like stew and move on ;) |
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| 14:45.16 | MacGyverNL | Could anyone tell me what environment variable magic this script is performing: http://rafb.net/p/nPAJR397.html |
| 14:45.27 | roe_ | ok, on the topic of debian... I have a raid 5 with one hot spare, one of the drives failed and the hot spare did its thing, now somehow, and I am looking into this another drive go "unplugged" but when I plug it back in it come up with a different sdx. so my raid is in degraded mode, not sure how to get the other good drive back in the array |
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| 14:46.32 | dondelelcaro | roe_: are you using mdadm? |
| 14:46.36 | roe_ | yes |
| 14:46.39 | dr_Who_ | i need know about whal's the package of mountvirtfs? |
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| 14:46.47 | abrotman | MacGyverNL: hardly magic .. and ask #bash |
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| 14:46.59 | dondelelcaro | roe_: then you'd add the new device to the array; the howto and the manpage explain how to do it |
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| 14:47.07 | stew | MacGyverNL: i don't see much in the way of magic, "RHP_DIR_NAME=`dirname $0`" "run dirname on the name of this script" and assign the rresult to RHP_DIR_NAME |
| 14:47.23 | stew | MacGyverNL: and dirname has a manpage |
| 14:47.34 | roe_ | dondelelcaro, but I want the drive to use its original letter assignment, I don't want to be climbing up the sdx tree |
| 14:48.01 | Demosthenex | anyone know if encryption works with hibernation these days? |
| 14:48.06 | MacGyverNL | Okay, no magic, so that's not the cause of my problems. |
| 14:48.24 | stew | MacGyverNL: why are you asking? |
| 14:48.32 | roe_ | for some reason udev is assigning it a new letter |
| 14:49.13 | dondelelcaro | roe_: why? doesn't really matter |
| 14:49.39 | roe_ | because it is sloppy |
| 14:50.13 | MacGyverNL | stew: When I try to run Telelogic Rhapsody (and yes, I really did follow their installation instructions) I get the error "Failed to register as active the COM root object - GetObject(,Rhapsody.Application) will not work" |
| 14:50.19 | dr_Who_ | alguem brasil? |
| 14:50.20 | roe_ | and while t might be interesting to see what happens after sdz, I'd rather not find out |
| 14:50.23 | MacGyverNL | As you can see, it's not very informative. |
| 14:50.24 | stew | !br |
| 14:50.24 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:50.39 | MacGyverNL | But it seems it's trying some Windows thing for reasons I can't fathom. |
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| 14:50.57 | initself | I recently mounted a remote drive over ssh in /mnt/audio. This directory is not accessible via file:////mnt/my_mount. Shouldn't it be available to all users in that way? |
| 14:50.58 | stew | MacGyverNL: look at the $RHP_DIR_NAME/rhp_env script too, its 'source'ing the script (help .) |
| 14:51.00 | dondelelcaro | roe_: it'll reset after sdX is no longer there; the devices aren't kept across boots |
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| 14:51.55 | dr_Who_ | sorry ! |
| 14:51.55 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, you can have *way* more than 26 scsi devices) |
| 14:51.58 | dr_Who_ | i need know about whal's the package of mountvirtfs? |
| 14:52.10 | dondelelcaro | !tell dr_Who_ -about search |
| 14:52.12 | spx2 | unde gasesc sursa utilitarului file ? |
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| 14:52.20 | spx2 | where do I find the source of the utilitary file |
| 14:52.49 | dondelelcaro | spx2: file is part of file |
| 14:52.58 | dondelelcaro | spx2: apt-get source file; |
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| 14:55.23 | initself | figured it out. just had a stupid mount error. |
| 14:55.57 | zamba | could the fact that my bios has set my s-ata drives as RAID mode (instead of ahci and ide) cause the drives not being bootable? |
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| 14:56.13 | zamba | .. what should they be set to? ide, raid or ahci? |
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| 14:57.22 | pickcoder | zamba: depends on the chipset |
| 14:57.38 | pickcoder | AHCI is supported on many onboard chipsets |
| 14:57.45 | pickcoder | sata/ide is best for compat |
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| 14:58.09 | wm4 | reminds me of the driver for my ide chipset |
| 14:58.20 | wm4 | someone broke the driver for it with a hack |
| 14:58.33 | ChrisW1 | hey all, is there any way I can see how much data is currently goign through an ethernet interface? |
| 14:58.36 | wm4 | and the hack hasn't been removed since two major kernel releases grr |
| 14:58.56 | petemc | ChrisW1: nload, bwm |
| 14:59.19 | pickcoder | likes iptraf |
| 14:59.42 | ChrisW1 | any of them command line tools? |
| 14:59.43 | pickcoder | mrtg is nice for historical usage |
| 14:59.46 | zamba | pickcoder: do you think the fact that it was set to RAID could cause it not to boot (ie. read mbr?) |
| 14:59.53 | petemc | ChrisW1: yes, all |
| 15:00.06 | pickcoder | zamba: who know |
| 15:00.09 | ChrisW1 | heh, how do I pick between 'em? |
| 15:00.18 | petemc | you dont have to |
| 15:00.26 | petemc | install them all, they're free |
| 15:00.35 | ChrisW1 | yeah yeah, I just want one ;-) |
| 15:00.46 | pickcoder | run them all in different v-terms and see if they're reporting the same |
| 15:00.47 | petemc | try one, then another.. |
| 15:00.49 | pickcoder | :) |
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| 15:01.27 | petemc | ChrisW1: iptraf does a lot more than the asked, nload and bwm do only what you asked |
| 15:02.56 | ChrisW1 | wonders why only 25Mb/s would be going down a pipe that's a 100Mb ethernet connection :-/ |
| 15:03.19 | ChrisW1 | thought hard disk read speeds were > 100Mb/sec |
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| 15:03.52 | petemc | you never get wire speed |
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| 15:04.26 | ChrisW1 | but a quarter of it?! |
| 15:05.05 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.07 | pickcoder | if it's full duplex it's actually 200MiB wide |
| 15:05.20 | nux | I get this error when trying to add accounts via qmailadmin. Anyone have any ideas? [Fri Aug 08 09:51:50 2008] [error] [client IP] mod_mime_magic: can't read `/var/www/www.domain/cgi-bin/qmailadmin', qmailadmin is -rwsr-s--x 1 vpopmail vpopmail |
| 15:05.34 | wols_ | ChrisW1:if you use samba it's awful. samba is just a shitty protocl |
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| 15:06.00 | pickcoder | is currently getting 2826kbit/s out |
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| 15:06.44 | ChrisW1 | wols_: spot on ;-) |
| 15:07.03 | ChrisW1 | ah well, not a lot of other ways to back up an NTFS drive in an automated fashion... |
| 15:07.16 | pickcoder | NFS? |
| 15:07.35 | wols_ | pickcoder: NFS on windows= pain |
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| 15:07.40 | roe_ | scp is available for windows and is scriptable |
| 15:07.41 | pickcoder | FTP then |
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| 15:08.06 | pickcoder | roe_: there's an ssh server for windows that supports SCP? |
| 15:08.10 | fat-lobyte | Hi! What's the debian way of telling xorg what driver to use? I don't want to edit xorg.conf manually. It used to be dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but now the option about the driver is not there anymore. |
| 15:08.29 | roe_ | pickcoder, push not pull, scp client |
| 15:08.36 | pickcoder | yeah just considered that |
| 15:09.09 | stew | fat-lobyte: now the server does detection at runtime. you can still specify it as you did previously if you want to override this automatic detection |
| 15:09.51 | fat-lobyte | fat-lobyte: how can I check which driver was chosen and how can I override the behaviour? |
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| 15:10.36 | fat-lobyte | stew: how can I check which driver was chosen and how can I override the behaviour? |
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| 15:11.13 | stew | fat-lobyte: /var/log/Xorg.0.log and you can override the behavior by supplying a 'device' section like you did on previous versions (man xorg.conf) |
| 15:12.46 | fat-lobyte | stew: thanks, thats what I needed |
| 15:12.51 | wm4 | how can I find out with which version of gcc my kernel was compiled? |
| 15:12.59 | stew | wm4: cat /proc/version |
| 15:13.18 | wm4 | stew: thanks... uname -a didn't output that |
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| 15:16.28 | locco | whats the command to restart your netowrk so your new interfaces will be loaded? |
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| 15:16.56 | stew | locco: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:17.28 | locco | wtwh |
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| 15:17.44 | locco | ifdown: couldnt read interfaces file |
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| 15:17.49 | locco | ifup: couldnt read interfaces file |
| 15:18.31 | stew | locco: is that all it said? or did it complain about a particular line in interfaces? |
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| 15:19.28 | locco | well it said: /etc/network/interfaces:5: |
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| 15:19.44 | rwaite | jesus qt takes forever to compile |
| 15:19.54 | booiiing | hi everybody |
| 15:20.02 | booiiing | i got a problem with qt3 on my debian-box |
| 15:20.24 | stew | rwaite: thankfully, debian has compiled it for you |
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| 15:20.28 | booiiing | i already googled and talked to the people in #qt, but they don't have a clue what could be the cause |
| 15:20.35 | rwaite | but not on windows :) |
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| 15:21.44 | booiiing | the problem is, that qt3-applications start with a screwed (ie unusable) gui, throw errors like "QTextParagraph::lineInfo: line 1 out of range!" and even make my x-server crash |
| 15:22.47 | booiiing | http://rafb.net/p/MvSDsc65.html contains a backtrace of a crash that just happened when running qtconfig-qt3 |
| 15:23.37 | booiiing | a wild guess to the source of the problem aimed at some font-rendering problem, but other applications (qt4, gtk, etc) work just fine |
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| 15:23.52 | locco | stew, if i paste my interfaces, could you take a look at it and see if you find anything wrong? |
| 15:23.58 | booiiing | so anybody here has any idea or should i even file a bug-report? |
| 15:24.02 | stew | locco: yes |
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| 15:25.11 | pickcoder | booiiing: can you pstack the live process and watch it? |
| 15:25.30 | netcrash | HEllo , how can I set debian to check the disk on every boot ? |
| 15:25.33 | locco | http://rafb.net/p/12spyf21.html |
| 15:25.59 | booiiing | netcrash, ext2/3 filesystem? |
| 15:26.13 | webPragmatist | how do you change what the "home" button does in bash |
| 15:26.20 | netcrash | ext3 or reiserfs |
| 15:26.27 | webPragmatist | it's annoying that it puts a ~ instead of going to the beginning of a line |
| 15:26.31 | netcrash | booiiing: ext3 or reiser fs |
| 15:26.44 | netcrash | booiiing: have both cases |
| 15:26.44 | twobitwork | just out of curiosity, is there anything like yast (in the way of system configuration) which can be used in debian? |
| 15:27.09 | booiiing | for ext3 see e2tools |
| 15:27.52 | booiiing | but i don't see the need for that, because they're both journalling and will be checked after an unclean shutdown, anyways |
| 15:28.18 | locco | stew, see anything wrong with it? |
| 15:29.39 | abrotman | twobitwork: dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 15:30.20 | twobitwork | abrotman: a friend is a suse user who I convinced to try debian and is complaining for the lack of a centralized gui for managing you system settings |
| 15:30.32 | stew | locco: get rid of lines 3 and 4 |
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| 15:30.36 | vasco | zer |
| 15:31.06 | twobitwork | webPragmatist: sounds like a keymap issue... it should go to the beginning of the line |
| 15:31.07 | pickcoder | twobitwork: based on my experiences with GUI system configurators on Linux.. I avoid them |
| 15:31.33 | vasco | hello i am install a debian and during the partionning i am a little lost, i choose to install on all space, with a guided partitionning but i don t show me the partition for the swap |
| 15:31.40 | twobitwork | webPragmatist: me too, but he really wants something like that, I was just wonding if there was any workalike for debian |
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| 15:31.47 | vasco | the swap partition creation is auto? |
| 15:31.48 | CATS | how are you gentlemen |
| 15:32.04 | vasco | very fine |
| 15:32.18 | twobitwork | webPragmatist: how are you interfacing with bash... i.e., over telnet, direct with xterm/vterm? |
| 15:32.23 | locco | ok |
| 15:32.25 | webPragmatist | putty |
| 15:32.32 | webPragmatist | but it only does it on this particular server |
| 15:32.32 | twobitwork | pickcoder: er ^ |
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| 15:32.34 | locco | stew, now I dont have any lo |
| 15:33.04 | twobitwork | webPragmatist: yeah, sounds like putty and the remote server disagree on what the home key means |
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| 15:33.15 | twobitwork | i.e., character sequence, etc |
| 15:33.18 | webPragmatist | oh it says rxvt vs standard |
| 15:33.26 | webPragmatist | i siwtch it to rxvt and it worked |
| 15:33.30 | webPragmatist | switched* |
| 15:33.34 | twobitwork | there ya go |
| 15:33.39 | webPragmatist | weird |
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| 15:35.03 | netcrash | booiiing: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-force-fsck-on-the-next-reboot-or-boot-sequence/ |
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| 15:36.01 | locco | can anyone help me setting up lo? |
| 15:36.31 | hifi | can I somehow disable the advanced bash completion? |
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| 15:37.25 | locco | nvm i got it working |
| 15:37.38 | newsense | im still trying to install etch on my old pc and dbootstrap keeps failing about 75% into installing the base system |
| 15:37.59 | newsense | tty4 says dbootstrap: segmentation fault |
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| 15:38.12 | newsense | tried netinstall etchnhalf livecd |
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| 15:38.32 | newsense | base system installation always fails |
| 15:38.42 | warlock_mza | how can I check which packet a file belongs to ? |
| 15:38.52 | hifi | ah, just uninstalling bash-completion did the trick |
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| 15:39.06 | newsense | warlock_mza: ? |
| 15:39.28 | warlock_mza | check wich package provides /usr/bin/dig ... for example |
| 15:39.41 | booiiing | pickcoder: pstack is not available for amd64? |
| 15:39.47 | newsense | apt-file |
| 15:39.52 | SuSSaNNa_25 | español??? |
| 15:39.54 | newsense | or dpkg -S maybe |
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| 15:40.22 | warlock_mza | thanks newsense |
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| 15:40.31 | newsense | np |
| 15:40.32 | SuSSaNNa_25 | alguien sabe español??? |
| 15:40.33 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:40.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:40.52 | warlock_mza | SuSSaNNa_25, sep |
| 15:40.53 | hifi | newsense: does dpkg -S search only from installed packages? |
| 15:41.00 | newsense | i believe so |
| 15:41.08 | SuSSaNNa_25 | sabes español???? |
| 15:41.08 | newsense | apt-file will find files in uninstaled |
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| 15:41.26 | vasco | it s goog to use lvm ecrypted support for my partition? |
| 15:41.32 | hifi | neat, thanks for that :) |
| 15:41.39 | newsense | :) |
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| 15:41.54 | warlock_mza | si que pasa SuSSaNNa_25 ? |
| 15:41.58 | SuSSaNNa_25 | jajaj |
| 15:41.59 | abrotman | !es |
| 15:41.59 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 15:42.03 | abrotman | english here |
| 15:42.04 | SuSSaNNa_25 | me puedes decir de q va este canal? |
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| 15:42.36 | mike_xcr|away | hi all |
| 15:43.03 | warlock_mza | SuSSaNNa_25, que que ? |
| 15:43.05 | mike_xcr|away | i will install Debian 4 on PowerBook 1.5GHz, this is good idee? |
| 15:43.09 | abrotman | warlock_mza: ENGLISH |
| 15:43.16 | SuSSaNNa_25 | jajajaj q he entrado en este canal...pero no se de q vaa |
| 15:43.18 | SuSSaNNa_25 | no entiendo |
| 15:43.23 | abrotman | SuSSaNNa_25: #debian-es |
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| 15:43.32 | warlock_mza | abrotman, just trying to help dude |
| 15:43.35 | abrotman | don't care |
| 15:43.41 | stew | SuSSaNNa_25: english only in this channel, if you want to speak spanish go to #debian-es |
| 15:43.41 | abrotman | english here .. spanish in #debian-es |
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| 15:43.51 | stew | webPragmatist: you can help this person in spanish in #debian-es |
| 15:43.56 | abrotman | he quit |
| 15:43.59 | stew | webPragmatist: nevermind |
| 15:44.04 | mike_xcr|away | i will install Debian 4 on PowerBook 1.5GHz, this is good idee? |
| 15:44.16 | abrotman | mike_xcr|away: why not? what would make it a bad idea? |
| 15:44.19 | abrotman | !tell mike_xcr|away about ppc |
| 15:44.26 | newsense | im still trying to install etch on my old pc and dbootstrap keeps failing about 75% into installing the base system |
| 15:44.35 | webPragmatist | mmm |
| 15:44.36 | newsense | tty4 says dbootstrap: segmentation fault |
| 15:44.40 | mike_xcr|away | abrotman: i use only gedit, g++ and firefox |
| 15:44.43 | peppe | mike_xcr|away: not at all! it will eat your canary. |
| 15:44.47 | abrotman | mike_xcr|away: okay .. and? |
| 15:44.56 | SuSSaNNa_25 | adios |
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| 15:45.36 | locco | can someone help me with my ssh? when i do "nmap localhost" on the host, it shows port 22 open |
| 15:45.55 | locco | but when i do "nmnap hostIP" on client it shows that it's closed |
| 15:45.59 | paolo_ | Hi *. I want to know if a package has been installed using apt-get install or if it has been installed with apt-get source (how do i distinguish these two) |
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| 15:46.35 | newsense | locco: using nat ? |
| 15:47.19 | locco | nat? |
| 15:47.27 | newsense | network address translation |
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| 15:47.49 | locco | nope |
| 15:47.56 | newsense | no router or firewall |
| 15:48.16 | locco | router, but im pretty sure my router isnt blocking anything |
| 15:48.18 | fugit | loco: netstat -nap | grep 22 |
| 15:48.35 | newsense | is it listening locally only ? |
| 15:48.55 | newsense | localhost:22 ?or 127.0.0.1:22 |
| 15:49.23 | peppe | locco: because maybe ssh is listening on 127.0.0.1:22 only, and not on whatever_ip_address_has_your_hostIP:22 |
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| 15:49.46 | locco | this is wierd, ill just paste what it returned |
| 15:49.47 | locco | sec |
| 15:49.49 | newsense | yeah the command fugit gave ya will tell |
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| 15:50.22 | newsense | locco you behing a router at all never made that clear ? |
| 15:50.52 | locco | yes behind a router |
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| 15:51.20 | newsense | you have port 22 forwarded to your internal ip on shh box ? |
| 15:51.39 | newsense | shh/ssh |
| 15:51.42 | locco | http://rafb.net/p/3EMcY472.html |
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| 15:52.01 | ffm|sh | hey, how do I tell the netboot cd I wanna install unstable? (rather than etch) |
| 15:52.18 | locco | well if my attempt to forward it was successful |
| 15:52.21 | locco | then it is |
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| 15:52.52 | Heavy-D | hey guys, anybody here use Xen server virtualization on Debian? could you provide insight into what it's like to work with? |
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| 15:53.19 | idimmu | i use xen on ubuntu |
| 15:53.29 | idimmu | its nice |
| 15:53.29 | idimmu | (thats not much of a help) |
| 15:53.42 | newsense | 0 :::22 what do yall make of that ? |
| 15:53.44 | idimmu | but i imagine theyre pretty similar as ubuntu mostly just nick debian stuff and rebrand it |
| 15:53.48 | fugit | locco: you need to setup port forwarding on your router, usually under advanced or gaming tag |
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| 15:54.24 | locco | ssh192.168.0.1Both 22 / 22always |
| 15:54.34 | locco | thats what it says under advanced |
| 15:54.45 | Heavy-D | idimmu: is it difficult to manage/configure? hows the performance? |
| 15:55.03 | newsense | locco have ya tested from a box outside your lan ? |
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| 15:55.09 | avu | Heavy-D, I use xen with etch |
| 15:55.15 | ffm|sh | hello? |
| 15:55.15 | locco | yeah it doesnt show any ports |
| 15:55.16 | idimmu | performance is ok, no complaints |
| 15:55.16 | Heavy-D | avu: and what do you think of it? |
| 15:55.22 | avu | Heavy-D, I like it a lot |
| 15:55.24 | idimmu | its really easy to manage and configure |
| 15:55.31 | Heavy-D | idimmu: cool thanks :) |
| 15:55.32 | newsense | locco ya got a firewall on your box ? |
| 15:55.34 | idimmu | ive nothing to compare it against though |
| 15:55.38 | newsense | the ssh box that is ? |
| 15:55.46 | Heavy-D | avu: Is it difficult to install/ get running on Etch? |
| 15:55.49 | locco | unless there's a hidden firewall in a clean debian install |
| 15:55.50 | locco | then no |
| 15:55.50 | avu | Heavy-D, (for servers, that is, I would never use it on a desktop) |
| 15:55.58 | fugit | locco: its listening on all addresses, you can test this by sshing to your ip 192.168.0.x(yourip) |
| 15:56.23 | Heavy-D | avu: What OSs do you virtualize? |
| 15:56.28 | Heavy-D | avu: if you don't mind me asking of course |
| 15:56.34 | avu | Heavy-D, no. I use the hypervisor from backports and self-made kernels for dom0 and my domUs |
| 15:56.46 | newsense | isnt 0.0.0.0 for all addresses ? |
| 15:56.56 | avu | Heavy-D, dom0 is etch, one domU is solaris, the other domUs are either etch or lenny |
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| 15:57.30 | locco | fugit, how do I know what it is? |
| 15:57.35 | Heavy-D | avu: What would be the best way to learn how to use / manage Xen? is there a good wiki somewhere I could read? |
| 15:57.39 | newsense | ifconfig |
| 15:57.43 | avu | Heavy-D, (so I don't use HVM, only paravirt) |
| 15:57.46 | fugit | locco: /sbin/ifconfig | grep 192.168 |
| 15:57.48 | Heavy-D | avu: I've looked but so far haev been unable to come up with anything |
| 15:58.11 | locco | ah nvm got it |
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| 15:58.18 | locco | should i paste what it returned? |
| 15:58.23 | newsense | no |
| 15:58.26 | newsense | use it to ssh to |
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| 15:58.32 | Asmodee` | I've been trying to get xen working with etch on one of my boxes for a couple weeks. NIC not working in it. I have xen working on 2 other etch boxes without issues though. |
| 15:58.34 | fugit | locco: assuming that you are getting generic info from your router |
| 15:58.43 | Asmodee` | but xen is a nice tool |
| 15:58.55 | locco | newsense, i did |
| 15:59.01 | newsense | worked ? |
| 15:59.02 | avu | Heavy-D, http://wiki.debian.org/Xen and http://www.howtoforge.com/debian_etch_xen_3.1 are comming up as the first google hits for me... |
| 15:59.03 | Heavy-D | Asmodee`: thanks for you input |
| 15:59.14 | Heavy-D | *your |
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| 15:59.18 | locco | the authenticity of host ****** can't be established |
| 15:59.26 | locco | are you sure you want to continue connecting? yes7no |
| 15:59.27 | fugit | locco: you should have gotten a line including an address |
| 15:59.29 | Asmodee` | I mean it's a virtual machine, if you have no use for them don't bother. It's really easy to use, just xm create, xm list, and so on to see the diff VMs you have running/start VMs |
| 15:59.49 | newsense | worked than |
| 15:59.52 | avu | Heavy-D, be sure to check out the debian xen-tools |
| 16:00.10 | Heavy-D | avu: and HVM is ... hardware virtualization? |
| 16:00.15 | locco | hm |
| 16:00.18 | locco | so i can ssh from my host |
| 16:00.22 | avu | Heavy-D, they contain scripts that make creation of new images extremly easy |
| 16:00.22 | locco | but i cant on my client |
| 16:00.29 | fugit | Heavy-D : no work with Xen, but if you are going to run multiply instances of debian take a look at openvz |
| 16:00.35 | avu | Heavy-D, one command in fact to get a debian base install running in a new VM |
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| 16:00.50 | Heavy-D | avu: nice, i'll have to look into that |
| 16:00.56 | newsense | is your client on the same lan as the server ? |
| 16:01.01 | locco | yes |
| 16:01.02 | Lawl | does this page load for anyone? http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=ad2009affbf2ae22997a373903191195 |
| 16:01.03 | Heavy-D | avu: apt-get install xen-tools ? |
| 16:01.06 | avu | Heavy-D, yes, HVM is what you have to use if you want to run operating systems not modified to run with xen |
| 16:01.12 | avu | Heavy-D, like windows for example |
| 16:01.13 | newsense | and can the client connect using the 192.* ip ? |
| 16:01.27 | avu | !tell Heavy-D about search |
| 16:01.34 | Heavy-D | fugit: thanks for the suggestion |
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| 16:01.48 | locco | hm yeah i can using the 192 IP |
| 16:01.58 | Heavy-D | Excellent. thanks for all the help everybody. |
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| 16:02.07 | newsense | did ya test using the wanip from a remote client ? |
| 16:02.34 | locco | damn I just realized I have stuff to do in town today, I'll be back later asking for help |
| 16:02.37 | fugit | locco: if you have another client on the same network (192.168.x.x you should be able to connect to the listed IP. If you are trying to connect from the internet you need to setup port forwarding and get your IP from google(what is my ip) or look it up on your router. (sorry im out gl) |
| 16:02.39 | locco | thanks for helping me so far |
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| 16:02.43 | newsense | id suggest that, ive seen issues with nat where connection from the wan out and back in dont work on some routers |
| 16:03.28 | newsense | wan/lan |
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| 16:14.14 | hifi | anyone having problems with 2.6.26 and usb thumb driver? |
| 16:14.18 | hifi | drives* |
| 16:14.31 | cahoot | you? |
| 16:14.35 | hifi | except me :( |
| 16:14.39 | hifi | :)* |
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| 16:14.48 | hifi | can't really type today... |
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| 16:15.28 | hifi | http://rafb.net/p/Ks671K23.html nasty things happen when I write to the drive |
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| 16:18.45 | cahoot | looks like kernel oops |
| 16:18.59 | hifi | does, wondering why |
| 16:19.23 | hifi | I'll try another fs just to see it's not a problem related to ext2 |
| 16:19.59 | stew | hifi: are you using a debian kernel:? |
| 16:20.05 | hifi | yes |
| 16:20.46 | hifi | running the current unstable system |
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| 16:21.56 | hifi | it seems like it will crash when the buffer is being written to the drive |
| 16:22.12 | hifi | so it will take several seconds after I have copied the data |
| 16:22.14 | stew | hifi: check the bts and file a bug if one hasn't already been filed |
| 16:22.25 | hifi | bts? |
| 16:22.31 | hifi | bug tracking system? |
| 16:22.41 | stew | yes |
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| 16:24.55 | hifi | oh, my usb extension cable was the culpirit |
| 16:25.09 | hifi | but still, thats some nasty outcome :) |
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| 16:42.19 | \sich | if i plug USB stick, display nothing and 'lsusb' to, what is wrong? |
| 16:43.30 | SerajewelKS | i have UTC=no in /etc/defaults/rcS and still it seems that the hwclock is being assumed to be UTC |
| 16:43.45 | SerajewelKS | either that or the system timezone is UTC, which is not what i set it when i installed lenny |
| 16:44.04 | \sich | !tee SerajewelKS about set time |
| 16:44.08 | SerajewelKS | the time as reported by date -u is 12:44 UTC, when it's in fact 12:44 EST |
| 16:44.17 | SerajewelKS | \sich: thank you, please read my actual question |
| 16:44.32 | \sich | ntp |
| 16:45.11 | SerajewelKS | \sich: if you don't know the answer please don't keep taking stabs in the dark. ntp has nothing to do with it, it is apparent by the offset that it's a math issue |
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| 16:45.58 | SerajewelKS | my system timezone is America/Indiana/Indianapolis |
| 16:46.09 | \sich | !!! |
| 16:46.09 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 16:46.46 | \sich | SerajewelKS, my info is currect, u dont have any idea |
| 16:46.58 | \sich | lenny or etch? |
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| 16:47.12 | SerajewelKS | \sich: wow, you really did not read my question, did you? |
| 16:47.20 | SerajewelKS | \sich: you have that info already |
| 16:47.27 | \sich | SerajewelKS, lenny? |
| 16:47.30 | \sich | or etch |
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| 16:47.50 | SerajewelKS | i don't much enjoy repeating myself |
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| 16:51.39 | SerajewelKS | as the system's time in UTC appears to be my local time, it appears that it's interpreting the system time to be UTC, even though i have told it that it's local. not sure why. |
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| 16:52.03 | hifi | hmh, the latest network installer is little odd |
| 16:52.13 | hifi | my disk shows up as hda but it can't find it |
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| 16:53.48 | SerajewelKS | hmm perhaps a more fundamental issue, i have no /dev/rtc |
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| 16:55.40 | enouf | SerajewelKS: does dmesg show hpet + tsc being used? |
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| 16:56.12 | stew | hifi: which installer are you using? |
| 16:56.13 | enouf | SerajewelKS: what time is your BIOS set to? and check the BTS for hpet and rtc issues |
| 16:56.17 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it appears so, yes |
| 16:56.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not sure to be honest, whatever vista set it to (which looks like local time, still...) |
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| 16:57.43 | hifi | stew: /dists/sid/main/installer-i386/current/images/netboot/debian-installer/i386/ |
| 16:58.17 | enouf | you tried hwclock --systohw ? - how about --directisa .. could be most anything SerajewelKS ..and when Mpoop is involved, who knows ;-) |
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| 16:59.24 | SerajewelKS | enouf: same output from both of them |
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| 17:01.49 | stew | there is a sid installer? |
| 17:02.00 | stew | hifi: use a lenny installer or an etch installer |
| 17:02.10 | enouf | SerajewelKS: cat /proc/cmdline - and is there any virtual machines involved? (and fwiw, i didn't see you ask any question, but pose a seeming issue, and you never mentioned which release, afaict) |
| 17:02.37 | hifi | stew: why, I would need to dist-upgrade right after that? |
| 17:02.47 | hifi | or is the sid installer broken for good |
| 17:03.01 | avu | when was there ever a sid installer? |
| 17:03.03 | SerajewelKS | enouf: in fact i did :) 12:43 < SerajewelKS> either that or the system timezone is UTC, which is not what i set it when i installed lenny |
| 17:03.09 | enouf | SerajewelKS: nor kernel version, nor whether it's a debian kernel, nor the hardware |
| 17:03.30 | enouf | ahh |
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| 17:03.36 | enouf | hidden sucker :-P |
| 17:03.56 | SerajewelKS | enouf: stock debian 2.6.26-1-amd64 |
| 17:04.06 | SerajewelKS | enouf: no VMs (yet) |
| 17:04.11 | hifi | avu: then what the heck is that sid netinstaller |
| 17:04.15 | stew | Last Modified: 05/22/2008 |
| 17:04.21 | enouf | right - ok .. good info them .. hrm, gotta check the BTS mate |
| 17:04.23 | hifi | I did install my desktop using it some time ago |
| 17:04.28 | avu | hifi, http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html#3 |
| 17:04.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: /proc/cmdline: root=/dev/sda2 ro quiet |
| 17:04.47 | stew | !sid iso |
| 17:04.47 | dpkg | sid iso is, like, a BAD idea. Taking an unsupported snapshot of an unstable system and expecting it to work? Well, hell. You pays your $0 and you takes your chances. You get to keep the pieces and we get to laugh at you. |
| 17:04.50 | enouf | SerajewelKS: IIRC, the issue with hpet=force was with .25 ish? |
| 17:04.54 | enouf | ok |
| 17:05.00 | stew | well that's not quite what is going on here ,but |
| 17:05.07 | hifi | ah, it was a testing net installer |
| 17:05.08 | SerajewelKS | enouf: no clue. 2.6.25 fucked up my other box so i don't use it. :) |
| 17:05.18 | stew | hifi: that installer is a couple of months old, lots of things have been fixed since then |
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| 17:05.32 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i'm pretty much guessing here now - so i'll let you take whatever i gave - and do whatever you want with it ;-) |
| 17:05.34 | quagga | hifi: yes, there is a lenny net-installer however it is out of date. i can't use it on my msi wind since its broken |
| 17:05.44 | SerajewelKS | enouf: sure, as long as you're honest that you're guessing :) |
| 17:05.49 | quagga | hifi: i just use the etch installer and switch over to lenny as soon as it is installed |
| 17:05.51 | SerajewelKS | enouf: (hence my irritation with \sich) |
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| 17:05.52 | stew | quagga: its less out of date than the one he is using |
| 17:05.52 | hifi | the lenny installer is out of date? |
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| 17:06.02 | defrysk | lenny installer is fine |
| 17:06.10 | stew | quagga: in what way is the lenny installer out of date? |
| 17:06.10 | mr_flea | Are there any docs on using LVM with Debian? |
| 17:06.27 | quagga | stew: it used the 2.6.24 kernel which isn't supported by my hardware |
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| 17:06.39 | SerajewelKS | enouf: it is a fairly new box. i can pastebin my lspci -v if that would help. |
| 17:06.39 | quagga | last i built a net installer which was probalby about a week ago |
| 17:06.43 | enouf | SerajewelKS: well, there's a TON of grey area in there ;-) but really, i'm too tired to start digging for more "informed" info, which is how i usually home in |
| 17:06.51 | SerajewelKS | enouf: i'm not quite sure what i'm looking for on the BTS to begin with. |
| 17:06.56 | defrysk | quagga, lenny netinstaller businesscard grabs the latest lenny kernel |
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| 17:07.21 | quagga | defrysk: yes but what does it boot the first time it loads? |
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| 17:07.31 | stew | quagga: and so you are recommending he use the installer which offers both 2.6.18 and 2.6.24 becuase 2.6.24 is out of date? |
| 17:07.44 | quagga | stew: i'm not recommending anything |
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| 17:08.18 | SerajewelKS | enouf: there are only two bugs on linux-image-2.6.26-1-amd64 and neither seem very applicable |
| 17:08.33 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 17:08.53 | \sich | in which folder is USB stick in /media isn't ? |
| 17:08.55 | \sich | :) |
| 17:09.14 | peppe | \sich: how did you mount it? |
| 17:09.29 | enouf | SerajewelKS: how about your hardware, even ACPI related .. there are a few system timers, and we touched on about 3/5ths of them ;-) |
| 17:09.49 | hifi | I would like to have a supported sid netinstaller... |
| 17:10.28 | SerajewelKS | enouf: right, would an lspci help? |
| 17:10.33 | defrysk | isid netinstaller would be hazardous |
| 17:10.35 | stew | hifi: that's not likely to ever happen |
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| 17:10.47 | hifi | stew: it would probably work though |
| 17:11.04 | defrysk | sid has breakage off and on |
| 17:11.08 | stew | hifi: use a etch or lenny installer and upgrade |
| 17:11.15 | defrysk | install might fail |
| 17:11.19 | \sich | peppe, with nothing, before upgrade i plug the usb stick and display me the icon on desktop but now not :) |
| 17:11.36 | enouf | SerajewelKS: i gotta go, it might help others |
| 17:11.41 | hifi | even if it would break occasionally it would work most of the time |
| 17:11.48 | hifi | people living on the edge would appreciate |
| 17:12.06 | SerajewelKS | http://pastebin.ca/1095885 |
| 17:12.10 | defrysk | hifi, create one ;) |
| 17:12.11 | SerajewelKS | enouf: k thanks for the help |
| 17:12.15 | quagga | it really doesn't take that long to install a debian base system of any distro, change your sources, and do a dist-upgrade |
| 17:12.17 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.40 | alys | hifi: if you create one I'll use it. My attempts to 'upgrade' usually fail! |
| 17:12.48 | defrysk | hifi, or install sidux |
| 17:12.53 | SerajewelKS | to recap my question, why would i not have a /dev/rtc node? i am on stock 2.6.26-1-amd64 with this hardware: http://pastebin.ca/1095885 |
| 17:13.05 | stew | if one's attempts at upgrading to unstable fail, its probably for the best |
| 17:13.19 | hifi | its just waste of time and bandwidth to do first download the stable and then upgrade |
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| 17:13.36 | hifi | if it would be possible to just install the unstable branch |
| 17:13.38 | stew | hifi: than stay with stable |
| 17:13.42 | defrysk | much wining goin' on here today |
| 17:13.47 | SerajewelKS | hifi: it is possible |
| 17:14.05 | cahoot | no rtc support loaded? |
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| 17:14.25 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 17:14.34 | quagga | hifi: but if you're tracking unstable, you're already going to use gobs of bandwidth with daily updates anyway so i don't see the issue |
| 17:14.39 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: dmesg shows various attempts to do clock stuff (about as specific as i can be with little knowledge) |
| 17:14.46 | SamuraiDio | is there how to hide my e-mail address from here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-portuguese/2007/12/msg00305.html ? |
| 17:14.47 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: i can paste my dmesg output if that would help |
| 17:14.59 | stew | hifi: making new sid installers all the time and uploading them to all of the mirrors would also be a waste of time and bandwidth |
| 17:14.59 | hifi | stew: you're not being funny |
| 17:15.11 | stew | hifi: i'm not trying to be funny, i'm being serious |
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| 17:15.29 | hifi | because internet is serious business? |
| 17:15.30 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: probably not much - just that I noticed a few rtc_* modules are loaded here |
| 17:15.32 | stew | hifi: if you are worried about having to download new packages to stay up to date, stay with stable which doesn't change |
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| 17:15.43 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: lsmod | grep rtc --> nothing |
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| 17:15.44 | hifi | anyway, the lenny netinstaller can't find my integrated ethernet |
| 17:15.49 | hifi | now thats a setback :) |
| 17:15.50 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: not sure what that means, it might be named something else too |
| 17:15.59 | alys | I can play CDs, some DVDS (some just will not work!) but I cannot get sound on a website. I have tried 'alsaconf' many times but it doesn't seem to do the job. Would anyone have some ideas, please? |
| 17:16.01 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: rtc_cmos |
| 17:16.15 | hifi | stew: I was just saying about the procedure of downloading first stable and then upgrading |
| 17:16.23 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: ah, nice, that works |
| 17:16.33 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: rtc_lib and rtc_core |
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| 17:16.53 | stew | hifi: presumably if this is something you are going to do more than once then you already have stable on the installer, you don't have to download it every time you install |
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| 17:16.56 | \sich | how can i mount the usb stick? |
| 17:17.10 | hifi | stew: I just realized that |
| 17:17.36 | hifi | and why the heck I'm netinstalling lenny anyway |
| 17:17.50 | alys | \sich: it is usually 'mount /media/usb0' -- provided you have only one USB device mounted |
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| 17:18.31 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: heh, ntp is still unhappy :( |
| 17:18.36 | hifi | stew: if I want to boot somekind of installer which installs only the lenny base system, which files would I need, hd-media/ installer and? |
| 17:18.37 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: but at least the time is correct now |
| 17:18.48 | stew | hifi: netinstall |
| 17:19.01 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: got a /dev/rtc now? |
| 17:19.07 | hifi | so I can't do base-only install with anything else than netinstall? |
| 17:19.31 | \sich | alys, 'lsusb' dont display the usb desvice but with root permission display it |
| 17:19.43 | stew | hifi: the netintsall iso contains the entire base system., you can use hd-mdia installer and give it a netinstall iso so it has the entire base system |
| 17:20.02 | stew | hifi: ironically the netinstall is an installer that can install a base system without a network |
| 17:20.35 | quagga | i tend to take the hd-media installer, and then replace its initrd with the netinstaller initrd. thus it is a usb bootable netinstaller image |
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| 17:20.39 | alys | \sich: can you change the permissions in some way? |
| 17:20.43 | stew | (the netinstall is the smallest iso with the full base system, cd1 also has the base system with 400 or so more mb of packages) |
| 17:20.46 | hifi | stew: so I use the hd-media installer and point it to netinstall iso |
| 17:21.12 | stew | hifi: not "point it to" it should be able to find it on its own |
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| 17:21.15 | stew | hifi: /msg dpkg ig |
| 17:21.21 | \sich | alys, the problem is the filemanager dont diplay the usb stick nothing |
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| 17:21.48 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: yes |
| 17:21.57 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: ntp is upset about ntp_adjtime or somesuch |
| 17:22.34 | alys | \sich: are you working in GUI or command-line? In CLI type cd /media/usb0 and see if it is there.... |
| 17:22.54 | \sich | alys, http://paste.debian.net/14242/ |
| 17:23.01 | \sich | yes GUI XFCE |
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| 17:24.02 | alys | \sich: I see your problem - it doesn't show at all. I'm sorry I have no more ideas - a pity |
| 17:24.19 | \sich | alys, thanx |
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| 17:24.36 | \sich | if anyone have idea :) |
| 17:24.44 | DaRtH_VaDeR | apt-get: error while loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: file too short |
| 17:24.53 | DaRtH_VaDeR | somebody knows how to fix that ? :/ |
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| 17:30.14 | hifi | stew: is lenny beta2 the latest lenny cd? |
| 17:30.33 | abrotman | there's a daily on the d-i page |
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| 17:31.30 | stew | hifi: no, there are dailies and weeklies |
| 17:31.40 | hifi | but for lenny I mean, not testing |
| 17:31.51 | hifi | or is lenny testing? |
| 17:31.52 | abrotman | there's a daily on the d-i page |
| 17:31.57 | abrotman | yes, lenny is testing |
| 17:32.01 | hifi | oh, then |
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| 17:32.11 | hifi | so there are no final images then |
| 17:32.14 | abrotman | !snack debhelper |
| 17:32.14 | dpkg | throws debhelper a doggy treat |
| 17:32.25 | abrotman | hifi: it hasn't been released yet |
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| 17:33.56 | \sich | also can anyone tell me what is that? http://paste.debian.net/14245/ |
| 17:34.12 | \sich | why dont display me the usb stick in /media ? |
| 17:34.14 | hifi | is cdimage/daily-builds/ mirrored anywhere or is it only at cdimage.debian.org? |
| 17:34.32 | abrotman | there are other mirros |
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| 17:34.35 | abrotman | mirrors |
| 17:35.14 | \sich | :( |
| 17:36.08 | pickcoder | \sich: create a dir under /mnt/ for it and mount it |
| 17:36.17 | hifi | ok, thanks all |
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| 17:36.48 | \sich | pickcoder, thanx /mnt/usb? |
| 17:37.17 | gusnan | Does someone have a Etch menu.lst example that is able to boot a lenny install? I have some problems making it work. |
| 17:37.35 | pickcoder | \sich: sure |
| 17:38.08 | \sich | pickcoder, but that have nothing to do with my problem? |
| 17:38.25 | \sich | the problem is dont dispaly the usb |
| 17:41.00 | Supaplex | what pdf viewer can fill the fill in fields found in some pdfs? |
| 17:41.53 | petemc | acrobat |
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| 17:42.07 | pickcoder | especially if it was created from 9.0 |
| 17:42.14 | Supaplex | well yeah, but acrobat doesn't install on x64 |
| 17:42.17 | pickcoder | they keep releasing new versions |
| 17:42.21 | pickcoder | and everything changes |
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| 17:43.26 | Supaplex | it's their piss poor attempt to hold onto vendor lockin after they let everyone share it :p |
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| 17:44.25 | Supaplex | evince might.. humm |
| 17:44.44 | peter_12 | what does "available" mean in /var/lib/dpkg/available? In what way are these packages "available"? |
| 17:44.46 | pickcoder | when my mail2pdf script goes live, we'll see how incompatible Adobe and MS files are with tools on Debian |
| 17:44.49 | abrotman | Supaplex: use pdftk |
| 17:44.53 | maligor | pdf really never had vendor lockin |
| 17:45.07 | abrotman | !fill pdf forms |
| 17:45.07 | dpkg | pdftk foo.pdf generate_fdf foo.fdf; sensible-editor foo.fdf; pdftk foo.pdf fill_form foo.fdf output filled_foo.pdf; |
| 17:45.07 | abrotman | !fill pdf form |
| 17:45.07 | Lagbolt | gusnan, what kind of trouble? |
| 17:45.11 | maligor | or if it did, it was a long time ago |
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| 17:45.26 | abrotman | pdf IIRC is compiled postscript |
| 17:45.43 | pickcoder | it's not compiled from what I've seen |
| 17:45.47 | pickcoder | just a different format |
| 17:45.55 | maligor | ps subset I think |
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| 17:46.07 | pickcoder | specifications for each version add new device and resource handlers |
| 17:46.07 | peter_12 | The packages listed in /var/lib/dpkg/available are "available" in what sense? |
| 17:46.08 | gusnan | Lagbolt, seems impossible to make grub find the Lenny kernel, I am not at all sure how to find the correct device "name" for the lenny partition. |
| 17:46.08 | abrotman | and this is way more than i ever want to know about PDF |
| 17:46.09 | abrotman | :) |
| 17:46.26 | pickcoder | wants to build an EPL2 output device for GS |
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| 17:46.38 | pickcoder | html->label |
| 17:46.47 | pickcoder | :-) |
| 17:46.51 | Lagbolt | gusnan, did you upgrade to lenny? new install? what caused this problem. a little more detail please |
| 17:47.02 | maligor | if you want vendor lockin, you just need to look at microsoft reader, haven't found an app that can read those |
| 17:47.11 | pickcoder | noticed that install the headless module for oo.org broke the install of oo.org |
| 17:47.18 | Lagbolt | gusnan, maybe pastebin the /boot/grub/device.map and current menu.lst |
| 17:47.19 | pickcoder | (when BPO is in the sources.list) |
| 17:47.23 | gusnan | Lagbolt, I have Etch installed on sdb1 and Lenny on sdb2, but finding the correct grub "name" for sdb2 seems nearly impossible. |
| 17:47.28 | pickcoder | ~installing |
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| 17:48.24 | Lagbolt | gusnan, pastebin menu.lst |
| 17:48.32 | Lagbolt | gusnan, probably using the wrong "root" |
| 17:49.21 | Lagbolt | gusnan, and your devieces.map |
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| 17:50.53 | Lagbolt | gusnan, also, are the lenny kernels stored on sdb2? how is your drive partitioned |
| 17:50.57 | jthomas | Does anyone know the current state f capturing with firewire in Lenny? Last I tried i couldn't get it to go and I was told that Lenny was in-between an insecure IEEE1394 stack, and a non-functional one :( |
| 17:50.57 | Jyzygzy- | where were the locale settings located? |
| 17:51.07 | jthomas | capturing video |
| 17:51.15 | Jyzygzy- | my system suddenly changed its locales and keymaps |
| 17:51.32 | Poly-C | Hi. Just want to express my impressions after I've installed Debian (4.0r4) for the first time since 2003. This was imho the easiest installation of some linux flavour I ever did. Very good installer, aboslutely no problems with the hardware (some old Compaq E500 notebook), everything runs out of the box. Guys, I'm deeply impressed ;) |
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| 17:52.16 | abrotman | Poly-C: congratulations :) |
| 17:52.20 | pickcoder | Jyzygzy-: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:52.25 | Jyzygzy- | oh yea |
| 17:52.33 | pickcoder | make sure /etc/environment has the correct LANG |
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| 17:53.23 | Supaplex | pdftk is tEh lame. http://li.daxal.com/~supaplex/HP_M1522NF_July2008_FIL.fdf if only I could just edit them interactively so I know what fields end up where. (instead of playing games to figure it out) |
| 17:53.30 | gusnan | Lagbolt, http://paste.debian.net/14248/ |
| 17:53.31 | Poly-C | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 17:53.44 | defrysk | Poly-C, i installed lenny on a pressario a900 i bougt 3 daus ago , everything worked out of the box |
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| 17:54.12 | defrysk | hurray for intel chipsets :) |
| 17:54.32 | jthomas | !firewire |
| 17:54.32 | dpkg | i heard firewire is Apple's name for the connection also known as Sony i.Link and IEEE1394. A fast 400Mbit/sec (or 800mbit/sec) connection, designed for transferring large data streams. Also suitable for network connections. See http://www.linux1394.org/ |
| 17:54.40 | Poly-C | defrysk, yeah, didn't wanna try anything else than Sarge because it's been a while since I gave some Debian a try. |
| 17:54.46 | ArthurArchnix | Hey guys... I'm in Finland right now but usually live in Canada. Anyway, I want to watch the olympics on CBC but they restrict it to Canada IPs. I want to setup my computer back home in canada to act as a proxy for my laptop here in finland. Is this possible? I need some hints to know what to google for and such. |
| 17:54.52 | Lagbolt | gusnan, what happens when you try to boot the lenny kernel? does it not find the kern or give some error? |
| 17:55.06 | keith4 | ArthurArchnix: absolutely. install squid |
| 17:55.42 | Lagbolt | gusnan, and that kern image and initrd are in /boot as entered in menu.lst on sdb2? |
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| 17:56.21 | abrotman | Poly-C: you know sarge is unsupported right ? |
| 17:56.42 | Lagbolt | gusnan, also, which menu.lst is that? from sdb1 or sdb2? when you installed lenny did it overwrite the mbr with grub? |
| 17:56.51 | pickcoder | Poly-C: 4.0 is Etch |
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| 17:56.55 | Poly-C | abrotman, maybe I'm wrong but isn't Sarge 4.0r4? |
| 17:57.04 | Poly-C | Oh, sorry, my mistake then ;) |
| 17:57.07 | defrysk | no its ecth |
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| 17:57.25 | ArthurArchnix | ok.. looking at squid now. Thanks for the tip. I'm new, and gonna look for how-tos. Is this a project I'll be able to finish before the olympics are over? :) |
| 17:57.28 | Poly-C | I'm talking about 4.0r4 |
| 17:57.34 | Poly-C | That's what I installed. |
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| 17:57.50 | Lagbolt | 4.0 anything is etch |
| 17:58.08 | gusnan | Lagbolt, yep - vmlinuz, config, System.map and initrd.img of 2.6.25-2-amd64 flavour is in the /boot/grub/ folder of the Lenny install (sdb2) - no grub/menu.lst there though, that I only have on sdb1 (etch install). |
| 17:58.14 | zamba | what do i use for controlling and monitoring UPSes? |
| 17:58.26 | zamba | what package? |
| 17:58.28 | pickcoder | zamba: what brand |
| 17:58.32 | stew | Poly-C: sarge was 3.1 |
| 17:58.33 | zamba | pickcoder: powerware |
| 17:58.40 | defrysk | uses lenny , etch is too stale for me |
| 17:59.01 | Poly-C | stew, was Sarge released around 2002/2003? |
| 17:59.02 | Lagbolt | gusnan, so you are using lenny on that machine? grub allows you to boot sda1? what if you use command line from grub menu. can you see the kerns for lenny that way? |
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| 17:59.26 | pickcoder | I used to use apcupsd |
| 17:59.29 | stew | Poly-C: yes, as "testing", /msg dpkg release history |
| 17:59.37 | Poly-C | stew, thnaks |
| 18:00.00 | gusnan | Lagbolt, No, Etch running on the machine, I can chroot onto the Lenny install though, but havn't managed to boot into it using grub. |
| 18:00.43 | gusnan | Lagbolt, I could reboot and give you the exact error message if you would like? |
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| 18:01.01 | Lagbolt | gusnan, that might help. but if you are going to reboot, do you know how to use command line in grub? |
| 18:01.04 | Poly-C | Okay, then I was in contact with Potato, Woody and now Etch ;) |
| 18:01.05 | Jyzygzy- | oh my fucking god |
| 18:01.20 | Jyzygzy- | i edited the fucking dhclient.conf to not take the fucking DNS information |
| 18:01.24 | Jyzygzy- | and it still does |
| 18:01.38 | zinx | doesn't the script do that? |
| 18:01.44 | Poly-C | And I must say, Debian improved very much ;) |
| 18:01.52 | pickcoder | zamba: are you doing USB? |
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| 18:02.02 | Jyzygzy- | do i have to make a fucking cron job to transfer a real resolv.conf every damn minute |
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| 18:02.20 | barnum | did you prepend the nameserver you want? |
| 18:02.21 | uzbek | hi everybody! |
| 18:02.30 | zinx | you could always edit /etc/dhclient-script |
| 18:02.30 | barnum | in the dhclient.conf your using dhcp for the interface right? |
| 18:02.32 | gusnan | Lagbolt, Sure. But can't I do the grub-command-line stuff from the Etch install? |
| 18:02.36 | newsense | Jyzygzy-: watch your f87654 language |
| 18:02.39 | barnum | uncomment it |
| 18:02.40 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: just use resolv.conf and specify the dns server |
| 18:02.46 | dondelelcaro | s/resolv.conf/resolvconf |
| 18:02.55 | Jyzygzy- | dondelelcaro it keeps getting overwritten my someone |
| 18:03.02 | Lagbolt | gusnan, i am talking about from the boot loaded when it comes up |
| 18:03.04 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: it'll be overwritten by resolvconf and/or dhclient |
| 18:03.05 | uzbek | is there an application which enables two users (two computers connected by internet) to talk like in skype? |
| 18:03.10 | DJ-Marcuzz | after an compleet day of trying, i still cant get the wake on lan of my Dell Poweredge 2550 to work, only the 100mbit has WoL i noticed and i set it up correctly for non windows os's, and when booting my server to the grub screen and then hitting the powerbutton it works like a charm, but when compleetly booting to debian and then hitting halt. then it doesn't work anymore |
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| 18:03.11 | gusnan | Lagbolt, Ah, ok. |
| 18:03.12 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: you don't modify it directly, you tell resolvconf what you want to do |
| 18:03.12 | Lagbolt | gusnan, when you see the grub menu |
| 18:03.15 | Lagbolt | gusnan, when grub menu comes up, you can hit "c" to go to command line. there you can use tab completion. at command line type "root hd(1,1)" then "kernel /boot/" <-- then hit tab a few times and see if it lists the kernel you want. |
| 18:03.23 | dondelelcaro | uzbek: ekiga or similar; any sip client will work |
| 18:03.27 | Jyzygzy- | dondelelcaro whats that? |
| 18:03.35 | Jyzygzy- | its not /usr/bin/resolvconf |
| 18:03.50 | zinx | it's the package 'resolvconf' |
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| 18:03.54 | Lagbolt | gusnan, basically entering in what you have in menu.lst by hand but you can see the files with tab completion to know for sure that you are pointing to the correct place |
| 18:03.55 | uzbek | thanx dondelelcaro. what if one end is windows? |
| 18:03.58 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: it's /sbin/resolvconf, and it's in teh resolvconf package |
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| 18:04.05 | dondelelcaro | uzbek: then you use any client which can talk sip |
| 18:04.07 | zinx | which makes a /sbin/resolvconf binary, but you probably don't need to use that directly |
| 18:04.12 | dondelelcaro | uzbek: there's a ekiga version too |
| 18:04.16 | Lagbolt | gusnan, just write down whats in your menu.lst for lenny if you cant recall and give it a shot, otherwise come back with the errors |
| 18:04.27 | uzbek | thanx dondelelcaro :) |
| 18:04.41 | pickcoder | zamba: if you're using the usb port on it consider nut-usb instead of apcupsd |
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| 18:05.16 | gusnan | Lagbolt, Will do! Thanks for all the tips. I will come back with a report of failure or success. |
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| 18:06.00 | Jyzygzy- | my apt-get prints a huge loads of locale errors after doing the dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 18:06.41 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: you've not built whatever locale you're using |
| 18:06.48 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: those are warnings, not errors, though |
| 18:06.53 | Jyzygzy- | uh huh |
| 18:07.30 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: compare locale; with locale -a; if you're lost |
| 18:07.57 | Jyzygzy- | why isn't there somekind of full locale setup script |
| 18:08.15 | Jyzygzy- | i never understanded the locale stuff |
| 18:08.22 | stew | Jyzygzy-: there is, 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 18:08.44 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: we have packages with all of the locales, but you almost certainly don't want it. Just use dpkg-reconfigure locales; and select the locale you're using |
| 18:08.55 | Jyzygzy- | what do i wanna use? |
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| 18:09.21 | stew | Jyzygzy-: which language do you want to use? |
| 18:09.29 | Jyzygzy- | english |
| 18:09.30 | stew | Jyzygzy-: what country are you from? |
| 18:09.34 | Jyzygzy- | finland |
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| 18:10.22 | sha1sum | is there a way to stop cron from outputting stdout to root's mailbox? |
| 18:10.23 | stew | Jyzygzy-: use en_??.UTF8 where ?? is one the country codes |
| 18:11.10 | dondelelcaro | sha1sum: don't output to STDERR, or man 5 crontab; and read about MAILTO |
| 18:11.12 | Jyzygzy- | there isn't one for me |
| 18:11.22 | sha1sum | dondelelcaro: thanks :) |
| 18:11.52 | stew | Jyzygzy-: pick one |
| 18:12.00 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: if you don't want finnish or swedish as the default, pick en_US or en_GB or similar |
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| 18:13.03 | Jyzygzy- | ok so i took en_US.UTF-8 |
| 18:13.19 | sha1sum | dondelelcaro: I have about 30000 mail messages from cron in the root mailbox... is there an easy way to delete messages using a filter from the command line? |
| 18:13.19 | dondelelcaro | (if you do, pick fi_FI or sv_FI) |
| 18:13.29 | dondelelcaro | sha1sum: if you use mutt, yes. |
| 18:13.43 | Jyzygzy- | next time i apt-get well see |
| 18:13.48 | dondelelcaro | (you can also do it using formail, procmail, or similar) |
| 18:13.59 | pickcoder | would just delete the mailbox file |
| 18:14.01 | dondelelcaro | Jyzygzy-: then check perl -e '1;'; or similar |
| 18:14.24 | Jyzygzy- | seems to work |
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| 18:14.37 | stew | similar being perl -e '2;' ? :) |
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| 18:16.28 | ezguy | i try to install skype on lenny it failed due to missing depend packages and it said to do "apt-get -f install". is it the safe to run that? |
| 18:16.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:16.49 | abrotman | whether or not it will fix skype is another question |
| 18:17.06 | Gnurdux | apt-get -f install just installs all missing dependencies |
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| 18:21.26 | helo | will debian on an intel macbook pro support all of its hardware and power saving modes? |
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| 18:22.11 | helo | i'm trying to decide whether i want to get a macbook pro and dual-boot OS X and debian, or get a PC laptop and just run debian |
| 18:23.01 | barnum | got money to bow? |
| 18:23.03 | barnum | blow |
| 18:23.05 | barnum | go mac |
| 18:23.13 | barnum | if cost is a factor go pc :) |
| 18:23.43 | barnum | and by pc if its a laptop i mean thinkpad :) |
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| 18:24.34 | helo | cost isn't a factor :) |
| 18:25.07 | amphi | get a stinkpad |
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| 18:27.50 | abrotman | unless you actually know you want to use OSX .. why spend the money on inflated hardware prices? |
| 18:28.37 | dondelelcaro | helo: most of them, yes. |
| 18:28.55 | newsense | isnt osx basically freebsd ? |
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| 18:28.59 | dondelelcaro | newsense: no |
| 18:29.06 | newsense | based ? |
| 18:29.18 | YeTr2 | Where can I put commands I want to run on machine start up? |
| 18:29.27 | barnum | i love my thinkpads linux is well supported etc.. |
| 18:29.34 | helo | i /kinda/ want to try osx... |
| 18:29.36 | barnum | and they have more than one mouse button! |
| 18:29.37 | zamba | i have a system with 4 GB memory.. anything in particular i need to do to utilize all of it? |
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| 18:29.56 | nonfatmatt | hey how do i replace the debian kernel config with the vanilla kernel config, i'm trying to roll my own kernel with rt patches and when i run it it bugs out because of all the stuff in the debian patch set |
| 18:29.58 | dondelelcaro | zamba: just use a -686 kernel |
| 18:30.02 | zamba | right now it's only reporting 3.3 GB, but i guess that's correct? |
| 18:30.03 | newsense | i never really used macs but at one of my job i played with one and i coulda swore it ran some *nix underneath the gui |
| 18:30.14 | XGas | Mac? A Mac is still a PC, why people keep saying it is a Mac* |
| 18:30.17 | zamba | dondelelcaro: not one of those tagged as bigmem? |
| 18:30.26 | dondelelcaro | zamba: no. bigmem are for >> 4; |
| 18:30.34 | YeTr2 | zamba: a MB that supports it, at processor that supports it, and a kernel that supports it. |
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| 18:30.36 | XGas | Apple Mac Personal* Computer* |
| 18:30.45 | epoxy|w3rk | newsense, yes. it does |
| 18:30.49 | zamba | dondelelcaro: ok.. cool |
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| 18:31.02 | newsense | epoxy|w3rk: what *nix ? |
| 18:31.10 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: so use a vanilla kernel source tree and your own config |
| 18:31.11 | newsense | just curious |
| 18:31.14 | epoxy|w3rk | newsense, bsd derivative. |
| 18:31.27 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 18:31.36 | newsense | ok thanks for making me sound somewhat credible :) |
| 18:31.41 | nonfatmatt | dondelelcaro, but when i run menuconfig on the vanilla source tree it gives me a debian config |
| 18:31.50 | epoxy|w3rk | newsense, that's about all i know about a mac |
| 18:31.55 | stew | newsense: ask #macosx |
| 18:31.56 | newsense | same here |
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| 18:32.02 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: uh... it'll give you whatever the default config is for your architecture |
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| 18:32.23 | epoxy|w3rk | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:32.27 | jenipapo | is there a channel for embedded linux? |
| 18:32.28 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: if you're still not sure, remove .config |
| 18:32.29 | nonfatmatt | yeah, was wondering if there's an easy way around that without having to slog through a bunch of docs |
| 18:32.36 | nonfatmatt | tried that :D |
| 18:32.36 | newsense | stew dont be so uptight i was asking generally, im not writing a paper |
| 18:32.39 | newsense | :P |
| 18:32.48 | dondelelcaro | newsense: there's nothing to work around |
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| 18:32.56 | dondelelcaro | s/newsense/nonfatmatt/ |
| 18:33.05 | epoxy|w3rk | jenipapo, good question.. embedded as just running off compact flash on a alix/wrap/soekris or actual embedded stuff. |
| 18:33.12 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: you have to start with some configuration, and that's what you start with |
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| 18:33.52 | nonfatmatt | yeah but it's obviously pulling it from some sort of global debian .config file, so i'm just wondering where that file is and how to disable it |
| 18:33.55 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: make oldconfig; may do the right thing, but if not, just remove it and start from scratch |
| 18:33.59 | nonfatmatt | yeah |
| 18:34.06 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: there's no Debian global .config files |
| 18:34.18 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: there's a per-architecture default .config file |
| 18:34.18 | jenipapo | epoxy|w3rk: we begin to develop embedded linux apps using gps, gsm, etc; |
| 18:34.33 | newsense | touch /etc/debian.config |
| 18:34.44 | nonfatmatt | yeah, and it has every module enabled in it, so i'm not looking forward to hand editing a thousand lines :D |
| 18:34.52 | nonfatmatt | but no matter, i'll just start slogging |
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| 18:35.31 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: uh... are you using a vanilla kernel source tree? |
| 18:35.35 | SRabbelier | Heya, I'm using lenny's latest 'python-pyglet' package, but it's 'only' at 1.0, which is not quite 'testing' (since "The current stable version of pyglet is 1.1."), is there a way to get a package of a more recent release, or am I stuck if lenny doesn't have anything newer? |
| 18:35.35 | jpinx | how do I get wmv files to play in iceweasel? |
| 18:36.03 | newsense | mozilla-mplayer ? |
| 18:36.09 | maybeway36 | SRabbelier: You could check sid. Some people have mixed testing/unstable systems for things like this. |
| 18:36.20 | nonfatmatt | dondelelcaro, yeah I am that's why it's so weird, when i run make menuconfig the config is exactly like the menuconfig from a debian source tree |
| 18:36.29 | nonfatmatt | even though i pulled the tarball from kernel.org |
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| 18:36.41 | epoxy|w3rk | SRabbelier, did you try backports? |
| 18:36.42 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: so manually copy .config from the appropriate arch directory |
| 18:36.44 | SRabbelier | maybeway36: sounds reasonable, how do I go about that? I remember having to edit /etc/apt/sources.list for that, but I can't remember how |
| 18:36.56 | dondelelcaro | SRabbelier: there's no package of it currently; file a wishlist bug against python-pyglet asking for it |
| 18:37.02 | nonfatmatt | dondelelcaro, in the vanilla tree? |
| 18:37.02 | SRabbelier | epoxy|w3rk: backports for lenny? I thought backports was for stable? |
| 18:37.07 | dondelelcaro | SRabbelier: and/or provide patches to build the tree |
| 18:37.11 | dondelelcaro | nonfatmatt: yes. |
| 18:37.20 | epoxy|w3rk | SRabbelier, ha.. guess you are right. sorry |
| 18:37.20 | jpinx | newsense - I have mplayer installed on the system |
| 18:37.22 | nonfatmatt | ok, didn't know there was one, probably will fix it, thanks |
| 18:37.23 | maybeway36 | SRabbelier: I think you add sid, then change /etc/apt/preferences to perfer lenny |
| 18:37.28 | newsense | mozilla-mplayer |
| 18:37.29 | maybeway36 | Searhc google/yahoo for it |
| 18:37.55 | newsense | its the plugin that playes videos embedded in web pages when using iceweasel |
| 18:38.01 | SRabbelier | dondelelcaro: heh, I'm not that involved with Debian that I know how to do that, where is the wishlist at? |
| 18:38.27 | newsense | jpinx: install mozilla-mplayer and restart iceweasel |
| 18:38.54 | SRabbelier | maybeway36: thanks, will do |
| 18:39.04 | jpinx | newsense - got that - thanks |
| 18:39.07 | newsense | np |
| 18:39.07 | dondelelcaro | SRabbelier: run reportbug; to file the bug |
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| 18:40.38 | SRabbelier | dondelelcaro: mhhh, it needs an smtp server? |
| 18:40.44 | dondelelcaro | SRabbelier: no. |
| 18:40.48 | SRabbelier | (don't have one where I'm at atm) |
| 18:41.04 | dondelelcaro | SRabbelier: it can use your isp's, or it can connect directly |
| 18:41.20 | SRabbelier | ok :) |
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| 18:42.09 | xiantia | hi all |
| 18:43.31 | hifi | sorry to bother again, but how can I use the daily built testing cd image for hd installation? the hd boot kernel and initrd are outdated compared to the daily image |
| 18:43.46 | n0mad | 19sig is to stop/pause with is to continue ? (thank you, i forgot) |
| 18:44.30 | scintilla | va , ciao a rtutti |
| 18:44.36 | xiantia | sorry for my English, i have some pb for remove courier-imap packet, my friend has remove directly /etc/courier/ directly, and now i can't remove or install courier-imap : paste : http://rafb.net/p/sTrYng60.html |
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| 18:45.31 | greeg | hi |
| 18:45.35 | stew | xiantia: "/msg dpkg confmiss" note that you'll likely need to reinstall ALL of the courier related pacakges with confmiss all at once |
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| 18:46.08 | greeg | i installed my sound blaster and can play music with vlc just fine. but when playing unreal tournament 2004, there is no sound and it reuturns open /dev/[sound/]dsp: No such file or directory |
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| 18:46.33 | stew | greeg: "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" or install alsa-oss |
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| 18:47.15 | helo | hmm... the thinkpads don't have very big displays... |
| 18:47.24 | greeg | stew i have alsa-oss already installed and modprobe says FATAL: Module snd_pcm_oss not found. |
| 18:47.28 | newsense | satellite |
| 18:47.34 | newsense | toshiba |
| 18:47.38 | greeg | i have a custom kernel. |
| 18:47.46 | greeg | i guess i should compile that in. |
| 18:48.04 | xiantia | stew : dpkg --force-confmiss install courier-imap ? |
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| 18:49.50 | stew | xiantia: you'll have to reinstall all of the courier packages you are trying to reinstall with confmiss, like courier-base courier-authlib, etc |
| 18:49.53 | greeg | thanx stew, i found it in make menuconfig |
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| 18:50.16 | abrotman | 15.1" isn't big? |
| 18:50.35 | stew | uhh, in what contenxt? |
| 18:50.37 | jescis | I need to regain tty3. when I "ps -la" it says under WCHAN wait. What do I do? |
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| 18:53.03 | abrotman | stew: helo said thinkpads don't have big screense |
| 18:53.18 | abrotman | waits for a Dave2 comment on that misspelling |
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| 18:54.10 | xiantia | stew : i just want reinstall all courier-imap |
| 18:54.24 | Lord^Anubis | yeah, thinkpad screens are average, they are generally 15 inches, but you aren't getting a huge 17 inch screen |
| 18:55.09 | abrotman | Lord^Anubis: my point was that they are average .. there aren't many with larger screens .. so i don't know what he's smoking |
| 18:55.12 | xiantia | stew : if i use dpkg --force-confmiss install courier-imap , it say requier action ? |
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| 18:57.30 | nse | I saw some kernel error messages concerning mysql when I was staring the system. I would like to view those messages again so I can resolve the problem |
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| 19:00.36 | stew | xiantia: "/msg dpkg confmiss". if you want to use dpkg instead of apt-get then you'd use "-i" not "install" and you'd have to have a .deb handy. you need to reinstall all of the courier packages which are currently installed or you are trying to reinstall at once with confmiss |
| 19:01.28 | magyar_ | i've noticed that on one of my servers I need to enter the "sudo" password twice |
| 19:02.30 | magyar_ | at first I thought its a mistype, but i now notice that it always fails the first time around |
| 19:03.05 | abrotman | nse: check syslog or messages .. or even the mysql logs |
| 19:03.25 | nse | thank you, abrotman |
| 19:03.30 | stew | magyar_: check /var/log/auth.log |
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| 19:03.50 | stew | magyar_: though that sounds somewhat suspect, and I'd start checking debsums of sudo and pam and such |
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| 19:05.18 | raptelan|bepress | guys, I've added backports to my sources, and done the gpg-keyring bits, but I still get "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!", which I don't get on other machines that I think I configured with exactly the same steps. |
| 19:05.36 | raptelan|bepress | how can I tell what's wrong? |
| 19:05.56 | magyar_ | stew, pheeew, it is a mis-configured pam module |
| 19:06.36 | stew | raptelan|bepress: have you run "apt-get update" or "aptitude update" since running "apt-key add"? |
| 19:07.24 | raptelan|bepress | ahh I needed an update |
| 19:07.37 | raptelan|bepress | stew: I hadn't, it wasn't clear that was needed, thanks ;) |
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| 19:08.25 | abhi_ | how can i can shutdown my pc at a specific time when i am away? |
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| 19:08.40 | newsense | cron |
| 19:08.45 | amphi | or at |
| 19:09.15 | marc7 | if my network doesn't require RPC, and if I don't care about hotplug events.... could I safely stop/disable udevd and portmap? |
| 19:09.23 | abhi_ | newsense, : if add a job at cron like : shutdown -h now.. this will not work without superuser |
| 19:09.29 | newsense | at isnt installed by default though |
| 19:10.05 | abhi_ | newsense, : did y u got me |
| 19:10.43 | newsense | have it run as root than |
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| 19:11.13 | abhi_ | newsense, : how can i add a job to root |
| 19:11.34 | newsense | man cron |
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| 19:13.27 | abrotman | man 1 crontab ? |
| 19:13.55 | stew | marc7: portmap is also used by famd (which is used by gnome, among other things). you can make portmap listen only to localhost if you prefer. most likely, your initrd is depending on udev |
| 19:14.18 | zamba | i have a CPU with something that looks like two cores.. at least 'htop' shows the graph for two cpus and /proc/cpuinfo has two entries.. problem is that load is reported incorrectly.. do i need to run a different kernel for multi-core cpus? |
| 19:14.25 | marc7 | stew: for a server that cares not about RPC or X |
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| 19:14.38 | abrotman | zamba: have you manually calculated the load ? |
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| 19:14.45 | zamba | abrotman: what do you mean? |
| 19:14.56 | zamba | abrotman: the system is totally idle and reports a load average at 2 |
| 19:15.04 | abrotman | that doesn't make it wrong |
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| 19:15.11 | zamba | abrotman: only 21 tasks running |
| 19:15.25 | stew | marc7: other things might be using fam, for exmaple, courier-imap uses it for detecting new mail (at least it used to) |
| 19:15.52 | stew | marc7: are you using a debian kernel? is initramfs-tools installed? |
| 19:15.59 | zamba | abrotman: i don't need a smp kernel? |
| 19:16.13 | ninix | anyone has a debian VM (virtualbox) file ? |
| 19:16.22 | marc7 | stew: initramfs-tools is installed, and yes it's a debian kernel |
| 19:16.26 | abrotman | zamba: uname -a .. show us |
| 19:16.35 | stew | marc7: then you are using udev for your initrd |
| 19:16.44 | marc7 | i'm getting the idea that ditching udev is a bad idea, so am I just safe to toss portmap? |
| 19:16.51 | stew | marc7: you can always "aptitude remove portmap" and see what it wants to remove with it |
| 19:16.59 | zamba | abrotman: 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 21:31:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 19:17.05 | abrotman | looks like SMP to me |
| 19:17.07 | marc7 | nothing else, seems fine |
| 19:17.10 | zamba | yeah, it does :) |
| 19:17.33 | marc7 | thanks stew |
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| 19:18.18 | abhi_ | how can i turn off the terminal tty1-6? |
| 19:18.35 | stew | abhi_: edit /etc/inittab |
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| 19:19.09 | abhi_ | stew: what to edit there |
| 19:19.33 | stew | abhi_: that is the file responsible for starting getty on tty1-6 |
| 19:19.49 | abhi_ | stew: ok |
| 19:20.09 | Borgvall | hi all |
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| 19:20.23 | Borgvall | any gstream experts around |
| 19:20.26 | Borgvall | ? |
| 19:20.28 | stew | !guru |
| 19:20.28 | dpkg | [guru] (GURU Understands Real Unix) or An expert, especially in "{Unix} guru". Implies not only {wizard} skill but also a history of being a knowledge resource for others. Less often, used (with a qualifier) for other experts on other systems, as in "VMS guru". or what meditates inside Amigas. or it's pointless to ask for a guru in a knowledge field because people being humble, nobody will answer your question. "GUide to Ram Upgrades for (old) Macs" |
| 19:20.34 | stew | hrm |
| 19:20.39 | stew | that's not what i was expecting |
| 19:20.54 | stew | Borgvall: are you sure you need an expert? why not just ask your question? |
| 19:21.08 | abhi_ | stew: i found this line 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1. should i make it a comment to turn of it during booting |
| 19:21.29 | stew | abhi_: yes, if you comment out that line, nobody will be able to login to tty1 |
| 19:21.32 | epoxy|w3rk | do you plan on using serial to connect ? |
| 19:21.46 | Borgvall | i do not have any sound output with gnash nor vagalume |
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| 19:22.07 | Borgvall | so i guess it is an problem with gstreamer |
| 19:22.17 | Borgvall | any ideas? |
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| 19:22.23 | abhi_ | stew: i do't find any entry for tty7 for xorg. where is it? |
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| 19:22.44 | stew | abhi_: you have a login screen that is coming up |
| 19:22.57 | stew | abhi_: you have a x based login screen that is coming up, and you want to disable that? |
| 19:22.58 | Borgvall | there is also an bug for gnash #475709 |
| 19:23.03 | abhi_ | stew: yes |
| 19:23.04 | stew | abhi_: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 19:23.36 | Borgvall | maybe it should be reassigned to gstreamer? |
| 19:23.43 | abhi_ | stew: no, i just want to know how does that started. |
| 19:24.19 | stew | abhi_: its started by /etc/init./?dm where ? is probably either x or g or k |
| 19:24.34 | abhi_ | stew: ok |
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| 19:25.06 | ndo | guys, can anyone enlighten me about some issue. everytimei install virtual box on ubuntu, ive got gui hanging, while system still working. is this usually what called unstable compared to debian? and is anyone aware of this bug, or i dunno how do i name it. |
| 19:25.21 | stew | Borgvall: does installing gstreamer0.10-plugins-good fix sound for you? |
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| 19:25.51 | stew | ndo: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 19:26.08 | Borgvall | stew: it is already installed |
| 19:26.22 | abhi_ | when next debian version is going to release |
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| 19:26.31 | stew | Borgvall: does sound work in other applications? |
| 19:26.45 | stew | abhi_: when it no longer has release critical bugs holding up the release |
| 19:27.12 | Borgvall | stew: yes mplayer, bmpx ut2004 all working |
| 19:27.22 | abhi_ | stew: i heard it is oct. is it true |
| 19:27.25 | Borgvall | but no one with gstreamer |
| 19:27.25 | ndo | stew, ty, imfrom there, but ive got a question to debian people, exactly about how does that 'stable' is serious. is debian really serious stabler toubuntu? i just wonder is this issue i have ubuntu related, or linux related. |
| 19:27.38 | stew | abhi_: its not any one date. its whenever there are 0 release critical bugs |
| 19:27.53 | stew | abhi_: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical <-- when the green line hits 0 |
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| 19:28.01 | libertad | Buenas, alguien de Venezuela? |
| 19:28.01 | abhi_ | stew: ok |
| 19:28.09 | stew | !es |
| 19:28.09 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:28.36 | ndo | is debian testi,g stabler then ubuntu stable? |
| 19:28.37 | stew | ndo: in debian stable means "not changing". it doesn't necessarily mean "not crashing" |
| 19:28.52 | stew | ndo: try ##linux if you want to compare different linux distributions |
| 19:29.01 | ndo | ahaok ty |
| 19:29.11 | abhi_ | stew: so there is still 830 bug to be fixed. |
| 19:29.37 | stew | abhi_: Number concerning the next release: 418 |
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| 19:30.16 | abhi_ | stew: yah. so these bugs are also in ubuntu or not |
| 19:30.34 | stew | abhi_: this page has nothing to do with debian. ubuntu has their own bug tracker |
| 19:30.39 | stew | abhi_: this page has nothing to do with ubuntu. ubuntu has their own bug tracker |
| 19:30.49 | libertad | dpkg: Thaks, But I speak spanish, english and fran |
| 19:30.49 | dpkg | libertad: I give up, what is it? |
| 19:30.52 | maligor | ndo, the stable refers to the platform stability, not crashing programs as such |
| 19:30.59 | stew | libertad: please stick to english in this channel |
| 19:31.04 | abhi_ | stew: ok |
| 19:31.27 | ndo | ok |
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| 19:31.54 | libertad | I'm trying to find a telephone number assosied to a IP of CANTV ==>> Sample ==>> http://networking.ringofsaturn.com/Tools/whois.php?domain=201.248.248.162 |
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| 19:32.37 | spiekey | hi |
| 19:32.58 | spiekey | is there a debian dev channel about building debian packages? |
| 19:33.10 | stew | spiekey: #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org |
| 19:33.16 | spiekey | thanks! |
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| 19:41.18 | abrotman | throws beernuts at xand |
| 19:41.39 | xand | whatnuts? |
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| 19:42.50 | micols | mws:/home/michael# hibernate |
| 19:42.50 | micols | System ongoing shutdown by runlevel, aborting hibernation. |
| 19:43.07 | micols | i get this, what can be wrong? i checked 'runlevel' as root it says "2 0" |
| 19:43.57 | stew | micols: yes, runlevel 0 is the shutdown runlevel |
| 19:44.07 | micols | yes, so my initscripts may be wrong? |
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| 19:44.13 | micols | my system isnt in shutdown state |
| 19:44.44 | micols | how do i fix this? |
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| 19:45.13 | stew | actually wait is "2 0" RUNEVEL=0 PRELEVEL=2? or the other way around |
| 19:45.14 | micols | my other machines says N 2 |
| 19:45.18 | stew | ok, yeah |
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| 19:45.41 | micols | which should be what my machine should be running, runlevel2,multiuser mode, not runlevel0 |
| 19:45.50 | stew | 2 0 means "currently 0, previously 2". N 2 means "currently 2, no previous runlevel" |
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| 19:46.07 | micols | right, how do i fix it? |
| 19:46.39 | micols | i cannot see anything wrong with /etc/rc2.d symlinks or /etc/init.d missing scripts |
| 19:46.41 | ezguy | i try to install skype on lenny it failed due to missing depend pakcage and suggest to try "-f install". any thoughts? |
| 19:46.44 | stew | micols: you can perhaps try "telenit 2" to go to runlevel 2. something must have put you into runlevel 0 to shutdown, but that obviously failed |
| 19:47.16 | stew | micols: it's as if someone typed "halt" but it, for some reason, never finished shutting down |
| 19:47.17 | micols | stew: nothing has put me into runlevel0 i think, i just rebooted my system |
| 19:47.24 | micols | and there are only very few initscripts |
| 19:47.34 | stew | micols: i'm positive something put you into runlevel0 |
| 19:47.36 | micols | and no log output |
| 19:47.41 | stew | micols: seeing as you are in runlevel 0 |
| 19:48.09 | micols | yes but what did it, i checked my init scripts |
| 19:48.36 | stew | micols: i dont know. check /var/log/syslog? |
| 19:48.55 | micols | i checked syslog,klog etc |
| 19:49.02 | micols | no runlevel output |
| 19:49.06 | D3B14N | ezguy; apt-get install libasound2 libc6 libgcc1 libqt4-core libqt4-gui libsigc++-2.0-0c2a libstdc++6 libx11-6 |
| 19:49.35 | D3B14N | http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-deb |
| 19:49.55 | stew | ezguy: yes, "aptitude -f install" or "apt-get -f install" would be the way to go if you have broken dependencies |
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| 19:51.27 | danielvrf | hello, good night to everybody :-) |
| 19:51.55 | xand | "good night" means you're leaving... |
| 19:52.24 | danielvrf | mmm, no :P |
| 19:52.34 | micols | stew: init 2 or telinit 2 does nothing. |
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| 19:54.04 | nse | is this a strange comportament? ls -ld /var/www |
| 19:54.04 | nse | drwxrwxrwx 15 root root 4096 2008-08-08 15:39 /var/www |
| 19:54.05 | ezguy | D3B14N: Depends: libxss1 but it is not going to be installed |
| 19:54.44 | D3B14N | ezguy; I got it from this site; |
| 19:54.46 | D3B14N | http://vivapinkfloyd.blogspot.com/2008/05/how-to-install-skype-20-in-debian.html |
| 19:55.54 | abrotman | aptitude -f install ? |
| 19:56.20 | D3B14N | I don't think it wil work well without the dependencies |
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| 19:57.42 | abrotman | aptitude -f install ? |
| 19:59.47 | stew | D3B14N: yes, it won't work without the dependencies, which is why we're suggesting "aptitude -f install" |
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| 20:00.06 | D3B14N | stew I see ツ |
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| 20:00.38 | DexterF | evening |
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| 20:01.06 | D3B14N | evening DexterF |
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| 20:01.47 | DexterF | need to install to bare metal, got the iso sitting on a windows box, need to boot from a usb stick. how can I write an iso to a usb stick so I can boot from it? |
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| 20:02.29 | ArthurArchnix | Hi... I was recommended squid here a few hours ago because I want to stream CBC feed of Olympics (am in finland now), but my parents computer where I'd have this installed (to act as a proxy) is vista. I'm using debian. I've obviously not done this before. Can someone recommend something other than squid that I could look into? Everything I do is going to be done via google and talking my parents through it on the phone. They |
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| 20:04.22 | ArthurArchnix | I suppose I could have them try and install the XP version because if I recall from my two hours of use, you can tell Vista to run a program as XP.. so maybe squid is the best solution stlll? |
| 20:05.08 | avu | ArthurArchnix, windows is generally backwards compatible. so any program that runs under xp should run on vista. but this is completly offtopic.. |
| 20:05.43 | ArthurArchnix | Fair enough. Thanks anyway avu |
| 20:06.16 | micols | something has put my system into runlevel 0 but seemingly failed at it , my system is still running, there is no output in dmesg,syslog or klog (syslogd,klogd running), how do i find the process putting my system into runlevel 0, when i want to be in runlevel 2? i tried checking my initscripts and grepping for runlevel,init,telinit there but nothing found, /sbin/runlevel says 0 2 when it should be N 2 for normal multiuser, any recommendations to how i fi |
| 20:06.34 | D3B14N | DexterF; did you check the debian site dor usb install ? |
| 20:06.43 | stew | micols: it says "2 0" not "0 2", right? |
| 20:06.57 | Trewas | ArthurArchnix: the streams may not be http (they could be mms or rtsp), so better check before setting up squid which afaik doesn't support them |
| 20:07.02 | micols | yes 2 0 sorry |
| 20:07.41 | stew | micols: if "telinit 2" suceeded, you'd expect it to change from "2 0" to "0 2", btw |
| 20:07.55 | ArthurArchnix | I'll definitely look into that before digging into setting up a proxy Trewas... thanks for the warning. |
| 20:07.57 | Trewas | ArthurArchnix: and in theory there are feeds from olympics in http://www.eurovisionsports.tv/olympics/ but it doesn't seem to work in any browser in any operating system |
| 20:08.07 | micols | stew: nothing happens and nothing in logs and no change with telinit 2 or init 2 which is the same thing |
| 20:08.23 | micols | stew: no change in /sbin/runlevel output |
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| 20:11.17 | micols | stew: exec /sbin/init </dev/console >/dev/console 2>&1 i got that in my /linuxrc could that be the cause? |
| 20:11.21 | micols | not starting init with a runlevel? |
| 20:11.29 | micols | i pass init=/linuxrc to my kernel |
| 20:11.56 | Asmodee` | I've been trying to get xen kernel working on my debian box for about 3 weeks now (I have it working fine on 2 other debian boxes). The problem I'm having is that this ethernet card (on the mobo) keeps getting an invalid MAC address when using the xen kernel. I found others with similar problems. It uses the forcedeth module |
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| 20:12.23 | abbe | hi channel |
| 20:12.39 | Asmodee` | I've tried all the solutions I've found so far with no luck. The solutions include forcing the eth# via /etc/udev/rules/, using macchanger, using ifrename, specifying hwaddress in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 20:12.42 | abbe | Is apt-get recommended for upgrading to lenny ? or aptitude |
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| 20:13.08 | quitte | micols: are you trying to make your ow initramfs? |
| 20:13.10 | micols | Asmodee`: forcedeth has been a buggy driver for quite some time, but it got better when nvidia released the source |
| 20:13.15 | micols | quitte: yes |
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| 20:13.36 | quitte | micols: look at the kernel docss. a few things changed from initrd to initramfs |
| 20:13.49 | micols | oh sorry quitte its not real initramfs'es |
| 20:13.54 | Asmodee` | I'm using etch btw. Would upgrading to a test version of deb include a fixed forcedeth? Or should I just try to get a new NIC |
| 20:13.55 | micols | its tmpfs filesystems |
| 20:14.03 | stew | abbe: aptitude |
| 20:14.06 | micols | quitte: http://pastebin.com/m79ee63a5 |
| 20:14.17 | micols | an ugly hack to make my thin client boot :) |
| 20:14.26 | micols | then i mount all those partitions afterwards when entering init 2 |
| 20:14.41 | stew | micols: no that is normal, init would read inittab and get the default runlevel from there |
| 20:14.45 | stew | (afaik) |
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| 20:15.03 | stew | micols: so do you end up with "2 0" in runlevel after a fresh boot? |
| 20:15.20 | ArthurArchnix | Trewas I tried loading it and it didn't work. So I used my girlfriends laptop and it didn't work. So I used IE on my girlfriends computer, and she jumped for joy. We're listening to it now. |
| 20:15.28 | micols | yes stew |
| 20:15.29 | ArthurArchnix | Sorry for the off-topic, but thanks much for the link |
| 20:15.47 | micols | stew: but my rc2.d runs fine |
| 20:16.01 | micols | even 99 scripts |
| 20:16.12 | stew | micols: right, and then after that, something puts you back into runlevel 0 |
| 20:16.30 | micols | hehe.. i wonder :) |
| 20:16.58 | quitte | does init get the pid 1? |
| 20:17.08 | micols | yes |
| 20:18.55 | micols | stew: i always shut down my computer by typing 'init 0' or halt, could that be any issue, that it saves last runlevel somehow? |
| 20:19.04 | micols | as 0 would be last runlevel and 2 is my new runlevel upon boot again |
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| 20:19.38 | micols | i will try an init 6 just to check, brb. |
| 20:19.48 | D3B14N | loll |
| 20:19.52 | D3B14N | 6 is reboot |
| 20:19.55 | micols | yes.. |
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| 20:20.03 | stew | micols: it doesn't save the last runlevel across reboots, and "runlevel" is saying that "2" is the last runlevel and "0" is the current runlevel, not the other way around |
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| 20:20.29 | D3B14N | micols; do you have the 2.6.18.xx kernel? |
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| 20:22.07 | micols | stew: it says 2 6 now :) |
| 20:22.10 | micols | after init 6 |
| 20:22.20 | quitte | micols: the runlevel is saved in utmp. and that is on a tmpfs. so it gets reset after every boot |
| 20:22.58 | micols | quitte: hehe my /var/utmp is on disk somehow :) |
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| 20:24.12 | micols | but i guess you mean it mounts the file /var/run/utmp and clears it on init 6 / 0 |
| 20:24.30 | micols | D3B14N: 2.6.25.10 |
| 20:24.49 | D3B14N | oh ok. That's good |
| 20:24.57 | stew | micols: so this is a thinclient? is /var/run shared on multiple machines? |
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| 20:25.07 | micols | stew: it seems to me it saves the last runlevel, is there an explanation to this, except i screwed my system?:) |
| 20:25.15 | micols | perhaps my rcS is screwed |
| 20:25.35 | quitte | if it doesn't know the last runlevel it should show N instead |
| 20:25.38 | micols | stew: no nothing shared with other clients yet.. its my personal thin client i only got one |
| 20:25.54 | _ZeuZ_ | 2.6.25.10 ?!?!?! |
| 20:25.55 | micols | also the rootfs is still mounted readwrite, not readonly |
| 20:26.28 | micols | _ZeuZ_: whats wrong? |
| 20:27.01 | _ZeuZ_ | aren't you gathering hardware related issues like GPE storms? |
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| 20:27.16 | _ZeuZ_ | Err, wait, that's only for 64bits hardware |
| 20:27.17 | micols | you mean network problems? |
| 20:27.28 | micols | i had quite a few network problems |
| 20:27.36 | _ZeuZ_ | micols, I didn't say Network problems |
| 20:27.55 | micols | ah right, well i suppose its ok, its a stable kernel |
| 20:27.58 | _ZeuZ_ | it mainly screws up hibernation and graphics performance |
| 20:28.01 | micols | and i am on 32bit |
| 20:28.13 | micols | _ZeuZ_: i am trying to hibernate |
| 20:28.18 | micols | also graphics crash |
| 20:28.23 | micols | especially opengl |
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| 20:28.38 | micols | but i suppose thats due to ati, not the kernel :) |
| 20:28.49 | micols | fglrx never worked with opengl for me. |
| 20:29.10 | micols | xscreensaver locks up Xorg, quake2 makes lots of artifacts on the screen etc. |
| 20:29.14 | _ZeuZ_ | errr, it's a known trouble. |
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| 20:29.26 | micols | i cant use any more recent kernel |
| 20:29.32 | micols | with this fglrx, they removed the symbols for fglrx |
| 20:29.47 | micols | so i would have to downgrade |
| 20:30.03 | _ZeuZ_ | well, 2.6.24 is the current one with less regresions |
| 20:30.09 | micols | anyway, i am almost sure the runlevel issue isnt due to the kernel. |
| 20:30.17 | micols | and thats my primary concern right now, the machine seems stable |
| 20:30.37 | abrotman | .24 isn't in debian |
| 20:30.44 | abrotman | duh .. etchnhalf |
| 20:31.03 | micols | well i dont use precompiled kernels anyway |
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| 20:31.29 | _ZeuZ_ | neither do I |
| 20:31.37 | micols | i got a few things i want in my kernel for this comp, its a thin client, so nfsroot etc. |
| 20:31.42 | quitte_ | wow. that's oldschool |
| 20:31.44 | _ZeuZ_ | still, it doesn't mean higher number means the better |
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| 20:32.10 | micols | _ZeuZ_: no, but i had the same issue with an older kernel i seem to recall |
| 20:32.17 | micols | hibernation issue. |
| 20:32.25 | micols | so i thought it may be due to my nforce2 hardware. |
| 20:32.30 | micols | and buggy drivers perhaps. |
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| 20:34.01 | micols | mws:/home/michael# hibernate |
| 20:34.01 | micols | System ongoing shutdown by runlevel, aborting hibernation. |
| 20:34.01 | micols | mws:/home/michael# runlevel |
| 20:34.02 | micols | 2 6 |
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| 20:34.21 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:00.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2) |
| 20:34.21 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:00.1 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 0 (rev a2) |
| 20:34.21 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:00.2 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 1 (rev a2) |
| 20:34.21 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:00.3 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 5 (rev a2) |
| 20:34.21 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:00.4 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 4 (rev a2) |
| 20:34.21 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:00.5 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Host Bridge (rev a2) |
| 20:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:00.6 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 3 (rev a2) |
| 20:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:00.7 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation C51 Memory Controller 2 (rev a2) |
| 20:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:02.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1) |
| 20:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:03.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation C51 PCI Express Bridge (rev a1) |
| 20:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce 6150 Go] (rev a2) |
| 20:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:09.0 RAM memory: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Host Bridge (rev a2) |
| 20:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:0a.0 ISA bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 LPC Bridge (rev a3) |
| 20:34.22 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:0a.1 SMBus: nVidia Corporation MCP51 SMBus (rev a3) |
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| 20:34.33 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:0d.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 IDE (rev f1) |
| 20:34.35 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:0e.0 IDE interface: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Serial ATA Controller (rev f1) |
| 20:34.37 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:10.0 PCI bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 PCI Bridge (rev a2) |
| 20:34.37 | stew | _ZeuZ_: stop |
| 20:34.39 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2) |
| 20:34.40 | micols | so it seems it saves last runlevel when rebooting/shutting down |
| 20:34.41 | _ZeuZ_ | 00:14.0 Bridge: nVidia Corporation MCP51 Ethernet Controller (rev a3) |
| 20:34.43 | _ZeuZ_ | ups |
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| 20:35.01 | micols | sorry for pasting those 4 lines, was probably 2lines too much :) |
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| 20:36.03 | abrotman | put it back! |
| 20:36.13 | SeveredCross | Heh. |
| 20:36.14 | micols | i havnt altered my rcS at all, only rc2.d/symlinks and made a few /etc/init.d scripts |
| 20:36.20 | micols | nothing altering runlevels or able to do so |
| 20:36.26 | stew | wait, wierd, did that work? |
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| 20:36.39 | keith | my dhcp server is throwing weird warnings into syslog: http://pastebin.com/m70ea1c85 |
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| 20:38.48 | quitte_ | micols maybe for something expects fles to already exist in one of your tmpfs's. you could try extracting the original content from a tarball or something before executing init. or use a unionfs. |
| 20:39.05 | micols | quitte_: my /var fails at boot |
| 20:39.09 | micols | so i press ^C |
| 20:39.16 | quitte_ | ah |
| 20:39.18 | _ZeuZ_ | Test test! |
| 20:39.21 | _ZeuZ_ | Done now :) |
| 20:39.23 | micols | but then var gets mounted from /etc/fstab |
| 20:39.30 | _ZeuZ_ | Sorry about that, I have to get rid of this pesky key combinations |
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| 20:39.54 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/6oO72X10.html |
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| 20:41.13 | quitte_ | micols: you mount /var/run /var/lock etc. and then mount /var over it? |
| 20:41.24 | micols | i remove it rm -rf :) |
| 20:41.29 | micols | and then mount var |
| 20:42.26 | micols | i didnt think i need anything from /var etc from runlevel1 |
| 20:42.26 | micols | so i remove it and mount my share over it |
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| 20:42.27 | micols | after entering init 2 (fstab) |
| 20:42.27 | quitte_ | s/it/them |
| 20:42.27 | micols | i just create those tmpfs'es in order to have error-free boot |
| 20:42.36 | micols | i dont like waiting/complains because /var/run doesnt exist |
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| 20:42.52 | abrotman | thought someone used 'tuples' in #debian .. |
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| 20:43.02 | micols | i cannot mount fstab things before init 2 so i need that linuxrc and mounting in init 1 |
| 20:43.04 | _ZeuZ_ | abrotman, what does 'tuples' mean? |
| 20:43.36 | dondelelcaro | _ZeuZ_: an object with more than one component |
| 20:43.42 | quitte_ | micols: you can always mount the fstab contents from the early rootfs |
| 20:44.02 | micols | perhaps, but this is easier :) |
| 20:44.03 | abrotman | _ZeuZ_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuple |
| 20:44.08 | micols | although a hack. |
| 20:44.20 | micols | im not 100% sure it doesnt screw my booting process |
| 20:44.30 | micols | it might remove some needed systemfile, but i dont think it does. |
| 20:44.31 | quitte_ | micols: how is all that messing with tmpfs easier than just doing another nfs mount? |
| 20:44.58 | micols | oh well quitte_ i couldnt get it to work, nfs mount in init 1 |
| 20:44.59 | quitte_ | micols: what's the point in having a seperate var for a diskless client anyways? |
| 20:45.21 | micols | quitte_: /var/log |
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| 20:45.34 | micols | in the end i dont want that to crash my system if it gets filled |
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| 20:45.46 | micols | when i one day mount those from different server partitions :) |
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| 20:46.35 | micols | also i can do quota on it if i wanted. |
| 20:47.21 | micols | i have run out of diskspace too much for it to be fun anymore |
| 20:47.33 | micols | i have to rearrange/rename 150 centerim contacts everytime :) |
| 20:47.40 | micols | and my mail gets screwed etc. |
| 20:48.12 | micols | strange things happen, especially if you run bad software :) |
| 20:48.32 | micols | some programmers assume its the kernels job to keep track of disk usage :) |
| 20:48.52 | quitte_ | micols: root should be ro anyways, right? so why not put essential var to it? |
| 20:48.54 | abrotman | try finch ? |
| 20:49.14 | micols | quitte_: i need write access to var, also root will be ro in the end. |
| 20:49.26 | micols | i just havnt had the time, its not as easy as it sounds making readonly root :) |
| 20:49.40 | micols | might make readonly usr too then ;) |
| 20:50.13 | micols | at least its not as easy as bootappending ro to kernel |
| 20:50.21 | quitte_ | micols: right. so instead of using tmpfs you could have var oon / until /var gets mounted |
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| 20:50.52 | micols | yes quitte_ i think so. |
| 20:51.00 | micols | except when i want to make readonly root |
| 20:51.12 | micols | i made this tmpfs for readonly root in the end. |
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| 20:51.53 | quitte | micols: and then you are pretty much at th point whreyou could let update-initramfs create the initrd for you ;) |
| 20:52.15 | micols | quitte: hehe i have bad experience with that program, also mkinitramfs , initrd |
| 20:52.28 | micols | it isnt as intelligent as the manpage says |
| 20:52.35 | micols | it didnt load the modules for my scsi |
| 20:52.41 | micols | had to add them manually in the /etc file |
| 20:52.51 | micols | so i spent perhaps 2 hours on fixing it |
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| 20:53.29 | micols | i always tried to avoid initrd's , initramfs'es |
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| 20:54.05 | micols | because i always used custom kernels, not apt ones. |
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| 20:54.16 | micols | i guess update-initramfs works much better with apt kernels |
| 20:54.53 | quitte | you can'T avoid initramfs. the kernel always has it |
| 20:55.02 | micols | no, i disabled it once :) |
| 20:55.12 | quitte | probably. I haven't had problems |
| 20:55.15 | micols | because i didnt need it/like it at that time :) |
| 20:55.20 | quitte | micols: you can't disable initramfs |
| 20:55.23 | micols | not that it saves any memory really |
| 20:56.10 | micols | [] Initial RAM filesystem and RAM disk (initramfs/initrd) support |
| 20:56.27 | quitte | micols: maybe you should really look at its docs. it's quite different from initrd. and imho running init properly from the early root has become way easier with it and klibc |
| 20:56.40 | micols | yes i know initramfs is a tad better |
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| 20:56.46 | micols | i have skimmed the docs |
| 20:57.21 | micols | quitte: imo initramfs'es arent needed except for special systems |
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| 20:57.36 | micols | i use it for unloading my scsi modules |
| 20:57.56 | quitte | if you look at /proc/mounts you'll notice there are two filesystems mounted to / |
| 20:58.04 | quitte | rootfs being the initramfs that always exists |
| 20:58.18 | user___ | i am on testing. how can i remove swfdec-mozilla and use adobe flash player in iceweasel without removing all those gnome-packages at the same time (apt-get remove/purge swfdec-mozilla)? |
| 20:58.39 | micols | rootfs / rootfs rw 0 0 |
| 20:58.39 | micols | /dev/root / nfs rw,noatime,vers=2,rsize=4096,wsize=4096,hard,nolock,proto=udp,timeo=11,retrans=2,sec=sys,addr=192.168.0.1 0 0 |
| 20:58.46 | micols | thats the only i have got |
| 20:59.22 | quitte | yes. rootfs is the kernels integrated initramfs |
| 20:59.40 | quitte | it isemptied when switching to the final rootfs |
| 20:59.40 | micols | hehe, i havnt looked that deeply into it :) |
| 21:00.37 | micols | quitte: but it seems to me you can disable initramfs support in kernel |
| 21:00.51 | micols | of course it will always be on in debian apt kernels |
| 21:01.01 | micols | stupid to disable it really. |
| 21:01.08 | quitte | no. maybe you can disable the ability to extract an initramfs from an extra imge. |
| 21:01.15 | teilzeitstudent | hum... i just installed debian and thought I'd do some setup, but... does debian mess with vim? somehow the usual keys (like pressing i to write stuff) wont work.. |
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| 21:01.35 | micols | teilzeitstudent: i had the same problem |
| 21:01.40 | micols | teilzeitstudent: is it etch? |
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| 21:01.47 | teilzeitstudent | yea |
| 21:01.48 | micols | try installing vim full |
| 21:01.52 | teilzeitstudent | I think :P |
| 21:01.54 | teilzeitstudent | k |
| 21:01.55 | micols | or just vim from apt |
| 21:02.00 | micols | that fixed it on my comps |
| 21:02.13 | teilzeitstudent | alright thanks |
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| 21:04.03 | netcrash | Hello, any one know of how to use a huawei e220 modem to be a sms sender /receiver ? |
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| 21:04.22 | micols | netcrash: gnokii perhaps can do that |
| 21:04.38 | micols | netcrash: but normal modems dont have sms features.. |
| 21:04.42 | teilzeitstudent | ah, one more thing... seems like I can not use ipv6 with my imbacile router, under gentoo I could just add a "-ipv6", but how to whipe all of ipv6 from debian? |
| 21:04.50 | quitte | micols: anyhow - whydon't you try using a debian kernel and building an initramfs fo nfs with initramfs-tools? |
| 21:05.04 | micols | netcrash: you need a cell phone, then you can send/recieve sms'es even with an x program xgnokii or using ncurses, quite neat |
| 21:05.06 | teilzeitstudent | (right now, most apps take ages to resolv a hostname) |
| 21:05.13 | micols | or using console , cronscripts etc. |
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| 21:05.52 | micols | quitte: i guess i am afraid of learning :) |
| 21:05.54 | user___ | nevermind, just deleted the libs as of http://packages.debian.org/lenny/i386/swfdec-mozilla/filelist |
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| 21:06.19 | micols | quitte: when something at last works, i dont think i should mess with it :) |
| 21:06.40 | quitte | micols just set MODULES=netboot in /etc/initramfs-tools/initramfs.conf |
| 21:06.40 | micols | quitte: i have spent a week or more playing with initramfs on my server, i dont want to experience that again, it wasnt fun :) |
| 21:06.57 | micols | having to drag my 21" crt to it everytime it failed boot |
| 21:06.58 | micols | :) |
| 21:07.00 | quitte | it's not like you can'T select the kernel you already have just because you add another |
| 21:07.20 | quitte | micols: also do that on the thinclient, not theserver! |
| 21:07.28 | micols | finally to find out initramfs isnt intelligent as the manpage says, it didnt add my scsi modules i had to do it manually, perhaps i did something wrong. |
| 21:07.51 | netcrash | micols: thank you , looking into it |
| 21:07.56 | micols | hehe quitte might try it one day. |
| 21:08.24 | micols | right now i am still struggling to get my TBF qdiscs to work.. |
| 21:08.35 | micols | i can only get the ingress to work. |
| 21:08.36 | quitte | TBF? qdiscs? |
| 21:08.45 | micols | qos on my nfs shares |
| 21:09.13 | quitte | err qos on a filesystem? |
| 21:09.19 | quitte | quotas, perhaps? |
| 21:09.38 | micols | no, bandwidth limiting |
| 21:10.04 | quitte | pretty complex setup for a single thinclient |
| 21:10.25 | micols | hehe it doesnt function well without so i dont think so |
| 21:10.39 | micols | just open your torrent client and start hashing and it hangs. |
| 21:11.28 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/wPGqyK52.html |
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| 21:12.10 | micols | cant even remember whats wrong with it, either it only throttles ingress or it throttles very weird. |
| 21:12.16 | quitte | ok. nice to know. maybe i'll need it some day |
| 21:12.38 | micols | would be nice if it was easy, i could need it on all my machines. |
| 21:12.45 | micols | including all my servers. |
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| 21:12.59 | micols | wondershaper isnt as good as people say. |
| 21:13.11 | Niek | okay, there was a way to take over somebody's SSH session, with "watch" I thought, how was that again ? |
| 21:13.23 | quitte | got rid of his server after buying a power meter |
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| 21:13.46 | micols | hehe quitte .. i got 16 10/15k disks running and 2 servers |
| 21:13.59 | micols | and studying, so low income :) |
| 21:14.08 | micols | havnt got my real power bill yet, though :) |
| 21:14.21 | micols | but i suppose i have to work my ass off when i get it. |
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| 21:14.28 | quitte | holy crap. you better measure that and think about buying a new power saving box as a server |
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| 21:14.47 | micols | 450W continious quitte |
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| 21:14.54 | quitte | i'd expect that to suck at least 500W |
| 21:14.56 | quitte | ah |
| 21:14.56 | micols | and 230W continous for my workstation also 24/7 |
| 21:15.36 | micols | if i could just get hibernation to work on it, as nicely as my laptop , suspend to ram |
| 21:15.47 | micols | i found a program which checks xorg idle just like xscreensaver |
| 21:16.04 | micols | then it runs hibernate --force which does suspend to ram. then it is in xorg again the second i open the lid. |
| 21:16.08 | abrotman | Niek: retty |
| 21:16.10 | nse | how to find out which package a file belongs to? |
| 21:16.12 | micols | never thought hibernation in linux would work this good. |
| 21:16.15 | abrotman | !tell nse about search |
| 21:16.39 | micols | it even brings up the ath0 nonstandard if name interface |
| 21:16.43 | newsense | nse dpkg -S /path/file |
| 21:16.48 | micols | but iirc i added that name manually to the config. |
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| 21:17.14 | Niek | abrotman: |
| 21:17.14 | quitte | i'm still hoping that some vendor will finally build a cheap nas that actually does both sata and gbit ethernet. |
| 21:17.14 | Niek | -bash: retty: command not found |
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| 21:17.37 | micols | quitte: i am thinking about doing bonding to my thin client :) |
| 21:17.40 | quitte | just because the marketing says it does doesn't mean it can actually handle bot |
| 21:17.45 | micols | quitte: 2gbit would be nice, or more. |
| 21:18.37 | micols | got a few spare intel pro netcards, then the network wouldnt be the bottleneck anymore |
| 21:18.51 | micols | ... the pci bus on my client would :P |
| 21:19.02 | abrotman | Niek: you know .. you might just have to install it |
| 21:19.05 | abrotman | !info retty etch |
| 21:19.12 | quitte | iirc it already is for gbit ethernet |
| 21:19.24 | micols | i wonder if gigabit onboard has their own bus? |
| 21:19.33 | micols | just like sataI has 150MB/s bus of their own |
| 21:19.34 | dpkg | retty: (attach processes running on other terminals), section utils, is extra. Version: 1.0-1 (etch), Packaged size: 9 kB, Installed size: 68 kB |
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| 21:19.42 | Spartako | Hi |
| 21:19.44 | Spartako | Hleo |
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| 21:19.56 | abrotman | Niek: if you just want to watch .. you can use ttysnoop |
| 21:19.58 | micols | then i could do bonding without upgrading to pci-x |
| 21:20.06 | netcrash | micols: http://designbuildtestrepeat.wordpress.com/2008/04/29/huawei-e220-on-linux-for-sms/ |
| 21:20.08 | Spartako | Anybody Has tried to install GForge in Ddebian distro?? |
| 21:20.08 | Niek | abrotman: i want to control |
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| 21:20.31 | Spartako | Anybody knows a tutorial to install Gforge over Debian |
| 21:20.39 | quitte | micols I have this hp netserver sitting around here... |
| 21:20.51 | zack23 | Quick question (well maybe not that quick) - I want to chuck a second hard drive into my personal system for /home and /usr/local - how do I resize the partitions on the first original drive to claim the space now that /home and /usr/local/ have gone elsewhere? |
| 21:21.10 | Spartako | Does Anybody knows a tutorial to install Gforge on Debian, thank you very much |
| 21:21.14 | micols | quitte: my scsi disks are rather useless as it is right now, my hotswap stopped working with dpt_i2o module :( |
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| 21:21.25 | micols | so i have to bring down the computer for replacing disks :) |
| 21:21.32 | micols | which just happened yesterday. |
| 21:21.36 | micols | my /tmp died |
| 21:21.37 | asg | Spartako: it should already be packaged; just install it and read /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 21:21.38 | abrotman | !tell Spartako about repeat |
| 21:22.28 | Phoul | The assembly mscorlib.dll was not found or could not be loaded. |
| 21:22.29 | Phoul | It should have been installed in the `/usr/lib/mono/2.0/mscorlib.dll' directory. |
| 21:22.32 | Phoul | Does anyone know about this |
| 21:23.07 | Spartako | asg Thank you |
| 21:23.08 | Phoul | !mscorlib |
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| 21:23.21 | asg | Phoul: are you running etch? |
| 21:23.29 | Phoul | No |
| 21:23.30 | Phoul | Lenny |
| 21:23.50 | Spartako | asg But i knows that it need some previous configuration |
| 21:24.21 | asg | Phoul: then check the bts and/or make sure you have all the right packages installed. |
| 21:24.32 | Phoul | bts? |
| 21:24.40 | asg | !bts |
| 21:24.41 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 21:24.43 | Spartako | Dows anyone know some good tutorial i can't find any updated tutorials in google |
| 21:24.44 | Phoul | ahh |
| 21:25.12 | micols | please report that vim bug whoever it was, in default etch install |
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| 21:25.26 | micols | it has been there for a year now i think |
| 21:25.37 | abrotman | !tell micols about reportbug |
| 21:25.46 | abrotman | whoops .. wrong pereson |
| 21:25.51 | quitte | Spartako: have you looked in /usr/share/doc/gforge/ ? |
| 21:26.21 | quitte | micols: it will stay there if it isn't security related |
| 21:26.33 | Phoul | god mono is so busted dep wise... |
| 21:26.35 | Phoul | christ |
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| 21:27.08 | micols | quitte: quite annoying that vim doesnt work out of the box, at least not here on my laptop and i dont think on my thin client either when i debootstrapped it with etch |
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| 21:27.23 | micols | i guess thats why im cursed with nano |
| 21:27.30 | quitte | micols: esc i always workedfor me |
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| 21:28.20 | micols | also cursed for using pico in the old days :) |
| 21:28.32 | abrotman | why doesn't vim work? |
| 21:28.40 | micols | nano doesnt have an undo function. |
| 21:29.17 | micols | abrotman: cannot tell you the details but i think that esc and i didnt work, also perhaps sometimes it did work.. it was weird |
| 21:29.18 | quitte | i like joe. but that's just because it was thefirst editor i was introduced to |
| 21:29.26 | micols | i dont remember the details. |
| 21:29.34 | abrotman | micols: uhm .. sounds ilke maybe a keymap issue .. i've done ethc installs .. and it works fine |
| 21:29.37 | micols | when i installed vim full from apt it worked just after that. |
| 21:29.38 | Spartako | quitte Umm... Could be there some tutorial about how to install it in Debian? |
| 21:29.45 | micols | abrotman: how come apt install fixed it |
| 21:29.52 | quitte | Spartako: apt-get install gforge |
| 21:29.54 | micols | abrotman: apt install fixed it both on workstation and laptop |
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| 21:29.55 | dashs | Is there a script/prog somewhere that can rename Windows files containing blanks, commas, bangs, parens , ampersands, etc an change them to something *nix useful? |
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| 21:30.10 | abrotman | micols: but you don't know what got changed |
| 21:30.13 | micols | abrotman: also i have had the issue on various r versions of debian etch i think, including netinstall too |
| 21:30.21 | zack23 | how can I tell if the memory in my server is enough or not? I type free on the command and there is always the output of some memory being free. It's only 1Gb... |
| 21:30.26 | micols | abrotman: no unfortunately not |
| 21:30.34 | micols | i cannot report the bug as i cannot reproduce it |
| 21:30.35 | abrotman | so .. you don't know that it was vim |
| 21:30.39 | micols | and as i dont remember the details |
| 21:30.49 | quitte | it probably was nvi |
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| 21:30.58 | Spartako | quitte and after, Should I look for some tutorials there? |
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| 21:31.10 | quitte | yes |
| 21:31.15 | asg | zack23: the 'Committed_AS:' field in /proc/meminfo should show you what your server is currently in need of optimally. |
| 21:31.22 | Phoul | hrm |
| 21:31.25 | Spartako | thank you quitte |
| 21:31.27 | Phoul | I cant figure out whats wrong =( |
| 21:31.31 | Phoul | Theres no bugs on it... |
| 21:31.34 | Phoul | im not sure what im missing |
| 21:31.34 | micols | zack23: look at cached |
| 21:31.55 | micols | zack23: if you i.e. have only 23MB free and 800MB cached youre not out of memory yet |
| 21:32.03 | micols | cached memory is for shared libs or the like iirc. |
| 21:32.10 | micols | it can be freed if you need it i think. |
| 21:32.20 | micols | the kernel should do that automagically? |
| 21:32.23 | Spartako | Spartako you are the most friendly person that I have known in a long time |
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| 21:32.39 | quitte | quitte you are friendlierthan spartako |
| 21:33.30 | Spartako | I am practicing my english skills |
| 21:33.41 | Spartako | :P |
| 21:33.53 | asg | Spartako: you were doing well until :P |
| 21:34.08 | Spartako | haha |
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| 21:34.26 | dam85 | hello everybody! |
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| 21:35.06 | KDE4000 | is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/repository-howto/repository-howto.en.html a better repository howto than the one at debian-administation? (is it the recommended one?) |
| 21:35.27 | Phoul | http://rafb.net/p/fRXf7Q37.html |
| 21:35.30 | Phoul | anyone have any idea on that |
| 21:36.02 | abrotman | It's a URL |
| 21:36.03 | quitte | Phoul: it means you are asking in the wrong channel |
| 21:36.08 | micols | Phoul: perhaps write what is the url, so people dont have to use their precious time on something they do know nothing about |
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| 21:36.22 | teilzeitstudent | is there a way to temporarily disable the swap, "unmount" it, delete the partition and create a new one on a runnign system? made a partitioning error :/ |
| 21:36.30 | zinx | i concurr, it appears to be a URL to me as well |
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| 21:36.40 | quitte | teilzeitstudent: man swapoff |
| 21:36.42 | Phoul | http://rafb.net/p/fRXf7Q37.html its the output of a mono application |
| 21:36.52 | abrotman | Phoul: i think there is a #mono on irc.gnome.org |
| 21:37.21 | micols | i know nothing about mono, so you could have wasted my time.. :( |
| 21:37.24 | dam85 | what is the best web domains control panel for debian? |
| 21:37.30 | abrotman | there are none in debian |
| 21:37.43 | mlester | do u guys give help for other distro that are based on debian |
| 21:37.49 | quitte | no |
| 21:38.04 | mlester | because the help from the other distro seems not very knowledgeable |
| 21:38.13 | KDE4000 | mlester: what distro? |
| 21:38.21 | KDE4000 | does anyone know a good howto on setting up a debian repository? |
| 21:38.25 | simonrvn | KDE4000: we don't |
| 21:38.43 | zack23 | micols: what tools can i use to see the memory usage on debian etch? |
| 21:38.50 | dam85 | what is the best for linux? |
| 21:38.50 | micols | zack23: free -m , top |
| 21:38.52 | KDE4000 | zack23: use free |
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| 21:38.54 | teilzeitstudent | quitte, ah thanks.. just thought there might be some complications if suddenly the swap is gone |
| 21:39.00 | mlester | the popular one |
| 21:39.23 | micols | zack23: in top type O , n , escape |
| 21:39.30 | micols | and look at resident size |
| 21:39.32 | zinx | Phoul: i think you need libmono1.0-cil, libmono2.0-cil or such |
| 21:40.02 | mlester | see its problem with either networking or apt |
| 21:40.06 | dam85 | ? |
| 21:40.11 | zack23 | micols: thanks |
| 21:40.22 | micols | zack23: gkrellm can show live memory usage as well in a nice graph |
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| 21:40.35 | hudorus | olá |
| 21:40.52 | asg | nah, ul is much more appropriate |
| 21:40.57 | mlester | http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Kernel/2008-02/msg06916.html that thread gives an idea of what I am having trouble with |
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| 21:41.09 | zack23 | micols: well this is on a server... So it says: Mem: 1036428k total, 940256k used, 96172k free, 127744k buffers and Swap: 497972k total, 124k used, 497848k free, 436724k cached |
| 21:41.39 | micols | zack23: paste output of free -m |
| 21:41.41 | quitte | mlester: it is the udev rules |
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| 21:42.01 | quitte | mlester: persistant net rules or somthing in /etc/udev/ iirc |
| 21:42.17 | mlester | ok I will take a look at that |
| 21:42.38 | quitte | mlester: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 21:42.39 | micols | mlester: but it seems ok to me, not to worry about, as long as your system is under max use |
| 21:42.45 | micols | zack23: even |
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| 21:43.19 | mlester | oh thats not my machine |
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| 21:43.26 | micols | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:43.26 | micols | Mem: 1011 988 22 0 23 595 |
| 21:43.29 | mlester | I was just having the same problem as him |
| 21:43.33 | micols | i only got 22MB free on my server zack23 |
| 21:43.39 | micols | but 595 cached.. so lots of free mem :) |
| 21:43.53 | micols | cached should be counted with the free mem i believe. |
| 21:43.53 | dam85 | what do you think about webmin? |
| 21:44.44 | micols | i dont see any reason to use it personally. |
| 21:45.02 | micols | phpmyadmin is useful, but that is as far as i will go :) |
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| 21:46.40 | buntfalke | hi |
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| 21:47.05 | mlester | micols: that might of helped I looked in the rule and it showed the same device twice |
| 21:47.06 | buntfalke | Can anyone recommend a linux (v4l2) to mac Video-over-IP software besides Skype? |
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| 21:48.10 | micols | mlester: as long as you have a lot of cached mem youre not in trouble |
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| 21:48.27 | micols | mlester: the kernel can take that cached mem and free it for other purposes should it need to do so |
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| 21:48.53 | dam85 | ?? |
| 21:49.16 | dam85 | i have to admin a web server, so...i have to install 8-10 web site |
| 21:49.25 | dam85 | how can i admin this domains? webmin is good? |
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| 21:49.39 | micols | apache virtual hosts is what i would do |
| 21:49.52 | micols | manually typing, but also, i have worked as a typist, i enjoy it. |
| 21:50.12 | dam85 | but i have to set FTP, EMAIL, DATABASE |
| 21:50.20 | dam85 | not only apache |
| 21:50.23 | micols | then use webmin |
| 21:50.46 | micols | database = phpmyadmin |
| 21:50.50 | zack23 | micols: free -m: http://paste.debian.net/14266/ |
| 21:50.57 | micols | ftp is proftpd manually proftpd.conf and adduser |
| 21:51.04 | micols | and email would be postfix :) |
| 21:51.25 | zack23 | micols: is that good or should I put in more RAM? |
| 21:51.44 | mlester | micols: that wasn |
| 21:51.48 | micols | zack23: doesnt look too bad |
| 21:51.49 | mlester | the real problem |
| 21:51.53 | mlester | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=879360 |
| 21:51.54 | dam85 | micols: okay but with webdim is more simpler then to install every single package and configure it |
| 21:51.56 | mlester | thats the real problem |
| 21:52.02 | micols | zack23: i wouldnt upgrade it if it was my server. |
| 21:52.10 | mlester | I was just trying to fix something else and maybe see if that fixes it |
| 21:52.10 | micols | zack23: unless you got some really critical applications |
| 21:52.18 | zack23 | micols: no, personal server... |
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| 21:52.19 | micols | zack23: which cannot afford to run out of ram from time to time |
| 21:52.33 | micols | zack23: no problem then |
| 21:52.51 | micols | if you run out of ram your server will just start swapping if you got a swap partition/file, else it will kill PID's :) |
| 21:53.03 | zack23 | micols: I just have LOTS of stuff running on it from apache to postgresql to mysql to qmail and courier imap etc |
| 21:53.13 | micols | zack23: it wont be a problem, trust me :) |
| 21:53.25 | micols | zack23: 1GB is plenty for most |
| 21:53.39 | micols | zack23: i could run most of that on 512MB :) |
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| 21:54.27 | micols | on my 1gb server i got ntp,samba,nfs,postfix,10 screens,3 tunnels,mysqld,20apache childs etc running |
| 21:54.37 | zack23 | micols: thank you. Can you look at this too (just in case): http://paste.debian.net/14267/ -> from top |
| 21:55.03 | micols | funny you have many mysqld's |
| 21:55.19 | zack23 | yeah i noticed that - only 3 postgres |
| 21:55.30 | zack23 | I'll have to investigate that |
| 21:55.35 | zack23 | but the memory usage is still okay/ |
| 21:55.36 | zack23 | ? |
| 21:55.39 | micols | yes |
| 21:56.08 | micols | unless you're hosting for other than yourself |
| 21:56.13 | zack23 | micols: thank you. Saves me money too as Dell servers need memory in pairs. |
| 21:56.21 | micols | if mysqld runs out of memory the site will begin to run slow |
| 21:56.23 | zack23 | micols: no it's no critical businesses..small record labels and personal sites |
| 21:56.53 | micols | zack23: i wouldnt upgrade it, also i believe 1GB is much memory i havnt been able to use all that yet :) |
| 21:56.56 | zack23 | micols: Although $99 for 2Gb memory stick nowadays...not that bad |
| 21:57.05 | micols | unless you run virtual machines or the like :) |
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| 21:57.30 | micols | i can do with 256MB on my laptop still, with xorg and firefox |
| 21:57.44 | micols | but that is blackbox and no navigation panel etc. |
| 21:58.20 | zack23 | micols: Okay, I have another question to pick your brain with. I am going to put another hard drive into the server and want to shift /home to this other hard drive. This will free up quite a bit of hard drive space on the original first hard drive. How can I repartition things on the first hard drive to utilize this space? |
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| 21:58.56 | abrotman | you should have started with LVM |
| 21:59.04 | micols | zack23: as long as your load doesnt get more than 10-15% higher or so than what it is now your mem is not going to be a problem |
| 21:59.07 | abrotman | zack23: dependso n the filesystem |
| 21:59.17 | zack23 | ext3 debian etch |
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| 21:59.36 | micols | zack23: its a dangerous procedure but i believe fdisk can do so |
| 21:59.36 | abrotman | you can grow the partition with parted i suppose .. then grow the ext3 filesystem |
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| 21:59.41 | micols | parted |
| 21:59.45 | micols | argh , sorry, dont use fdisk:) |
| 21:59.50 | abrotman | zack23: backup any important data before starting |
| 22:00.02 | zack23 | right... |
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| 22:00.21 | zack23 | i may as well do a reinstall....shouldnt be too bad |
| 22:00.35 | abrotman | also up to you .. but not needed |
| 22:00.37 | zack23 | i can pop in the second hard drive, back stuff to there and mount it as /home2 |
| 22:00.58 | micols | yes then you can just format the old one and make full ext3 on it |
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| 22:01.02 | micols | when backed up |
| 22:01.19 | abrotman | !lvm |
| 22:01.19 | dpkg | methinks lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 22:01.33 | micols | just remove all partitions with fdisk, and mkfs.ext3 /disk/partition1 |
| 22:01.51 | micols | lvm is if you want to resize it or make it part of another volume one day |
| 22:01.59 | micols | lvm is more clever than normal partitioning :) |
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| 22:02.46 | micols | i find i do not usually need lvm for my disks , except a few of them. if i want to resize them one day. |
| 22:02.48 | zack23 | so this is dynamic? |
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| 22:02.52 | micols | lvm makes resizing easy |
| 22:02.57 | zack23 | but it works just like real partitions? |
| 22:03.52 | micols | zack23: if you want a 100% one partition drive and you have no plan on raiding it / combining it into a larger drive with some other drive, dont use lvm |
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| 22:04.18 | micols | then just cfdisk + mkfs.ext3 the disk, that takes 1minute, lvm is a bit harder |
| 22:04.26 | zack23 | no i have only two drives, not raided |
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| 22:04.44 | micols | just do it the "old way" then :) |
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| 22:04.57 | zack23 | I'l reinstall Debian anyhow as I want a "clean" system (about 4 years old) and take it from there, using the second drive to backup to and after the switch, mount it as /home |
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| 22:05.33 | Ace2016_- | [ 68.110900] Starting XFS recovery on filesystem: dm-0 (logdev: internal) [ 71.138176] Ending XFS recovery on filesystem: dm-0 (logdev: internal) |
| 22:05.38 | Ace2016_- | What do i do????? |
| 22:05.52 | Ace2016_- | How do i know what files are effected, dmesg didn't say much :( |
| 22:05.54 | zack23 | thank you guys so very very much....thank you micols. Truly appreciated. |
| 22:06.16 | micols | hehe zack23 funny i always reinstall my debian systems around every 3-4 years too, perhaps due to new releases :) |
| 22:06.22 | xand | ok... why does the tty1 login prompt say "Maximum number of tries exceeded (3)" after three failed logins? |
| 22:06.32 | micols | seems we get a new stable every 3-4 years |
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| 22:06.37 | Ace2016_- | for security |
| 22:06.41 | xand | Ace2016_-: no. |
| 22:06.46 | xand | micols: not that long |
| 22:06.55 | dondelelcaro | zack23: why bother reinstalling? |
| 22:07.05 | xand | Ace2016_-: it doesn't make me wait or anything before trying again. |
| 22:07.06 | dondelelcaro | zack23: if you want it "clean", use cruft or similar |
| 22:07.11 | micols | xand: woody 2002, sarge 2005, etch 2008 |
| 22:07.15 | micols | so 3 years |
| 22:07.30 | Ace2016_- | sid infinity |
| 22:07.30 | dondelelcaro | micols: etch was released in 2007. |
| 22:07.31 | xand | your dates are wrong |
| 22:07.36 | dondelelcaro | !release history |
| 22:07.36 | dpkg | Debian releases have always been named after characters from the movie "Toy Story". Buzz(1.1; 1996-03-14), Rex(1.2; 1996-10-28), Bo(1.3; 1997-05-01), Hamm(2.0; 1998-07-24), Slink(2.1; 1999-03-09), Potato(2.2; 2000-08-15), Woody(3.0; 2002-07-19), Sarge(3.1; 2005-06-06) and Etch (4.0; 2007-04-08). The next release will be Lenny. See also <http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html>. |
| 22:07.40 | xand | lenny should be out in 2008 |
| 22:07.46 | micols | oh yes, etch is wrong |
| 22:07.53 | micols | also they list the latest releases |
| 22:07.55 | micols | not the first ones |
| 22:07.57 | micols | http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 22:08.00 | micols | its r4 |
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| 22:08.17 | dondelelcaro | that's a revision, not really a release, per-se. |
| 22:08.27 | micols | makes sense i think i got my etch in 2007 :) |
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| 22:08.52 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: do you know what's up with the r4a thing ? |
| 22:08.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: no, actually |
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| 22:09.05 | abrotman | does anyone? :) |
| 22:09.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I'm haven't bothered to ask anyone who knows about it |
| 22:09.22 | micols | lol.. funny.. didnt know that about debian naming :) |
| 22:09.27 | abrotman | i just thought maybe there'd have been an email on some list i don't get |
| 22:09.44 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: ah, not to my knowledge |
| 22:09.52 | abrotman | okay .. thanks |
| 22:10.08 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: I think it's something to do with the cd images, but I really don't know. The actual release is r4 |
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| 22:11.10 | ndo | can anyone tellme plz. what is stabler Ubuntu stable or Debian testing? ;) |
| 22:11.24 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: i was wondering if it was something more like the sources.list mishap with sarge |
| 22:11.34 | abrotman | or was that etch |
| 22:11.35 | abrotman | whatever |
| 22:12.41 | xand | I'm sure the installer has a bug when it asks for root password >.< |
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| 22:13.55 | abrotman | or your keyboard is busted! |
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| 22:14.25 | ndo | to difficult question i guess?:) |
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| 22:14.51 | abrotman | ndo: there are far too many factors .. you'll have to try them both |
| 22:15.01 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sources.list mishap? |
| 22:15.11 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: when it was pointing at .. testing? |
| 22:15.18 | ndo | :) |
| 22:15.41 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, there may have been mirrors that didn't propogate correctly |
| 22:15.55 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: no .. the sources.list was wrong when installed via the netinst |
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| 22:16.12 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: oh, that issue |
| 22:16.34 | abrotman | i just can't remember which release it actually was .. sarge or etch |
| 22:16.40 | abrotman | i'm guessing sarge |
| 22:16.40 | dondelelcaro | it was etch |
| 22:16.57 | zack23 | one more question - how can I tell if a SCSI hard drive has gone bad using Debian? One died a while ago - I just want to make sure I'm not using the same drive (the label fell off it) |
| 22:17.09 | abrotman | jeez .. my old feeble mind is really getting bad |
| 22:17.31 | abrotman | zack23: doesn't your controller tell you if it's toast? |
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| 22:17.52 | zack23 | yes i'll have to do a reboot then i guess...Dell should tell me I think when starting up |
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| 22:18.40 | abrotman | zack23: some controllers have an interface to the scsi cards .. not sure if the PERC do or not |
| 22:18.45 | abrotman | and if it's CERC, i really doubt it |
| 22:18.54 | abrotman | (though CERC might be SATA only) |
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| 22:21.33 | abrotman | mary? |
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| 22:23.18 | fizzik | Alright im having a hard time to get sound working, In alsamixer nothing is muted and all outputs are turned up. The sound card is a Audigy Gamer+ |
| 22:23.52 | orgthingy | never heard of that sound card :P |
| 22:24.05 | fizzik | its an older card |
| 22:24.18 | fizzik | arround 2000-2002 |
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| 22:24.28 | orgthingy | oh, not that old |
| 22:24.33 | orgthingy | have you googled enough ? |
| 22:24.42 | fizzik | yes |
| 22:24.46 | fizzik | i couldn't find any info |
| 22:24.48 | avu | !tell fizzik about alsa checklist |
| 22:24.55 | avu | done all that? |
| 22:25.08 | fizzik | ? |
| 22:25.21 | avu | dpkg just wrote you a private message |
| 22:25.21 | dpkg | avu: I give up, what is it? |
| 22:25.26 | avu | containing the alsa checklist |
| 22:25.54 | orgthingy | Try to mute spdif output from alsamixer |
| 22:26.11 | orgthingy | fizzik : or.. if you have speakers that use spdif, unmute spdif channel. |
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| 22:27.09 | orgthingy | fizzik : oh, and do you use VLC ? |
| 22:27.28 | morbyte | argh. sb pls help. i accidentially rm -rf /etc/apache2 .... now i want to "apt-get check *" or sth else to find out, which packages i need to reinstall |
| 22:27.41 | jaggz1 | I can record from /dev/dsp .. but the (KDE?) Multimedia recording level monitor wants esd to be running |
| 22:27.49 | jaggz1 | I think I'm using alsa or something though.. |
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| 22:28.01 | orgthingy | morbyte : for future, make an alias that "rm" means "rm -i " which means it has to ask you again before it deletes :) |
| 22:28.12 | morbyte | :) |
| 22:28.13 | fizzik | orgthingy: no i do not use vlc |
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| 22:28.29 | orgthingy | fizzik : ok, if you did, then id tell you how to make it work with vlc :) |
| 22:28.42 | morbyte | orgthingy: next time. i just move the files somewhere else ... *bang-head-against-wall* |
| 22:28.49 | orgthingy | fizzik : anyway, follow the instructions i gave you |
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| 22:29.05 | fizzik | i dont see spdif |
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| 22:29.30 | avu | fizzik, have you done *all* the steps in the alsa checklist dpkg sent you? |
| 22:29.40 | ribnitz | Is there anything better than rsync to sync two dirs (with large volumes of data)? |
| 22:29.47 | fizzik | avu: YES! |
| 22:30.04 | orgthingy | fizzik : umm... weird, ill search even more :) |
| 22:30.04 | avu | ribnitz, what's wrong with rsync? it's already very efficient |
| 22:30.28 | fizzik | im in alsamixer and i dont see a spdif adjustment |
| 22:30.28 | ribnitz | avu: Its cpu intensive, and takes a long time? |
| 22:30.47 | orgthingy | fizzik : ", in Ubuntu 7.10 I managed to get sound by muting Audigy Analog/Digital Output Jack in alsamixe" < try that |
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| 22:31.14 | avu | ribnitz, it taking a long time is most likely due to your harddisk's speed than due to rsync being inefficient |
| 22:31.20 | xand | dustybin: and here. |
| 22:31.29 | dustybin | feekkin hek |
| 22:31.31 | avu | ribnitz, be sure to use sensible options |
| 22:31.52 | ali1234 | hi. can debootstrap set up a base system for a different arch than the one it's running on? eg make an arm rootfs under x86, then i'll plug the disk into the arm machine? |
| 22:31.52 | orgthingy | fizzik : if same problem, then do it using "KMix" (under switches tab) |
| 22:31.56 | avu | ribnitz, vor local syncing -au is a start. if it's remote, add -z |
| 22:32.09 | avu | ribnitz, (but *don't* use -z locally obviously) |
| 22:32.28 | ribnitz | avu: Its to a locally mounted nfs(4) volume |
| 22:32.42 | fizzik | i dont have a digital output/ analog outpit or anything similiar orgthingy in my alsamixer.. :s |
| 22:32.45 | avu | ribnitz, so remote. |
| 22:32.51 | avu | ribnitz, -z might help then |
| 22:33.03 | avu | ribnitz, it'll be more cpu intensive but use the network link more efficiently |
| 22:33.07 | ribnitz | avu: How fast is it? |
| 22:33.13 | orgthingy | fizzik : then do it in Kmix under "switches" tab |
| 22:33.23 | fizzik | ahh |
| 22:33.31 | orgthingy | fizzik : even though "kmix" is KDE way, but eh, itll work in GNOME |
| 22:33.38 | avu | ribnitz, I have no idea how you suspect me to answer that question.. |
| 22:33.55 | orgthingy | fizzik : *if* kmix didnt work.. then, use headphones and see if they work |
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| 22:34.00 | ribnitz | avu: In other words: how long will it take to sync liuke 200 GB? |
| 22:34.07 | fizzik | orgthingy: im using headphones atm |
| 22:34.17 | avu | ribnitz, again: how am I supposed to answer that? |
| 22:34.25 | fizzik | oh hey i just got it to work orgthingy |
| 22:34.42 | avu | ribnitz, that depends on the machines, the nfs options, the kernels used, the speed and saturation of the network link, the hds on both ends... |
| 22:34.44 | ribnitz | avu: Or perhaps simpler: Am I faster simply copying everything? |
| 22:34.52 | ribnitz | "cp"? |
| 22:35.00 | fizzik | orgthingy: thank-you lol its now working, nice |
| 22:35.06 | avu | ribnitz, well, you said 'syncing'. cp can't do that. |
| 22:35.11 | orgthingy | fizzik : np ;) but which way exactly :D ? |
| 22:35.22 | avu | ribnitz, may be that cp is a bit faster if all you want to do is copy |
| 22:35.26 | orgthingy | fizzik : but it would be easier in Debian |
| 22:35.28 | fizzik | orgthingy: i played arround with the pcm and pcm front settings and unchecked the audigy analog |
| 22:35.30 | avu | ribnitz, just meassure it? |
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| 22:35.35 | orgthingy | Ubuntu with it lame GUI tools :| |
| 22:35.42 | fizzik | lol |
| 22:35.44 | ribnitz | avu: Over 200GB? |
| 22:35.46 | orgthingy | fizzik : aha :D |
| 22:35.58 | avu | ribnitz, why would you need that much data to know which is faster? |
| 22:36.06 | orgthingy | http://www.hotubuntunews.com/blog_13.shtml |
| 22:36.13 | avu | ribnitz, one method won't magically become faster/slower if there is more/less data |
| 22:36.32 | fizzik | orgthingy: ubuntu is decent though i like how it goes out and gets stuff for you :) |
| 22:36.38 | avu | ribnitz, where rsync excells though is not at copying but at syncing. |
| 22:36.45 | orgthingy | fizzik : I hope that you give something back to linux community :) how about helping others in IRC ;) ? |
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| 22:36.48 | ribnitz | avu: cp is susceptible ot the "many small files effect".. |
| 22:36.54 | orgthingy | fizzik : eh, im using ubuntu myself |
| 22:37.05 | avu | ribnitz, so is rsync |
| 22:37.07 | orgthingy | fizzik : but GUI for everything is insane xD |
| 22:37.37 | fizzik | orgthingy: yea true gui for everything i prefer the command console for the updates and stuff |
| 22:37.48 | orgthingy | GUI slows down my pc |
| 22:37.48 | avu | ribnitz, and still, constructing a test case with, say, 200MB of small files is quickly done. and much better at telling you what's best for you than some guy on IRC ;) |
| 22:37.56 | orgthingy | if i used everything in GUI mode |
| 22:38.04 | orgthingy | then my ram would explode |
| 22:38.04 | orgthingy | lol |
| 22:38.13 | orgthingy | I use terminal to save ram as well :D |
| 22:38.24 | orgthingy | has an old laptop with little ram and slow cpu |
| 22:38.27 | fizzik | i got lots of ram though |
| 22:38.58 | ribnitz | avu: true |
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| 22:44.41 | jpinx | my online banking will not work in Iceweasel - it asks for firefox - what should I do? |
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| 22:45.10 | avu | jpinx, there are extensions that let you change the User-Agent string iceweasel sends |
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| 22:46.56 | jpinx | avu: ok - I am lost here |
| 22:46.56 | jpinx | what does that mean? |
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| 22:48.16 | morbyte | after a2enmod php5 apache2 still pushes the php-file to me. any hint what i may be missing? |
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| 22:49.44 | avu | jpinx, you know what extensions are? |
| 22:50.37 | jpinx | avu: no - but reading fast |
| 22:50.49 | avu | jpinx, well, in case you don't: extensions in the iceweasel/firefox sense are little pieces of code that enhance the browser's functionality |
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| 22:50.54 | jpinx | got the downloads. How do I install them? |
| 22:51.17 | avu | jpinx, and the user agent string is the way a site identifies what browser you are using. iceweasel sends it on every request it makes |
| 22:51.51 | avu | jpinx, you go to an extension's site and klick the 'add to firefox' button |
| 22:51.55 | avu | jpinx, you probably want https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/59 |
| 22:51.57 | jpinx | yep - got that much |
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| 22:52.13 | jpinx | seems to have installed - now restarting |
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| 22:53.25 | jpinx | waits for his slow connection..... |
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| 22:53.56 | DASPRiD | where does the sftp-server subsystem saves it's transfer logs to, when options are set to "-l VERBOSE"? |
| 22:54.02 | avu | jpinx, be sure to actually use the menu the new extension added to your iceweasel to change the user agent before trying ;) |
| 22:54.38 | jpinx | yep - looking at that now |
| 22:54.49 | jaggz1 | it says here that the data is sent as text in the cursor.. so my PQgetvalue() is going to return a char *?? |
| 22:55.00 | jpinx | avu: thanks for the pointers:) |
| 22:55.05 | jaggz1 | unless I specify BINARY in the cursor? |
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| 22:55.54 | zack23 | What's the best way to backup a /home directory for a fresh install? tar cvfz ? |
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| 22:56.11 | avu | zack23, add p |
| 22:56.27 | jaggz1 | rsync is nice too but for a mirror of it |
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| 22:57.02 | morbyte | zack23: have home on single part -> simple attach it while installing without formatting it. |
| 22:57.16 | morbyte | zack23: worked flawlessly for me |
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| 22:57.26 | jpinx | avu: my bank still doesn't like iceweasel :( |
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| 22:57.28 | zack23 | I want to resize it though .... |
| 22:57.31 | morbyte | (except some missing icons) |
| 22:57.39 | avu | jpinx, are you sure you changed the user agent right? |
| 22:58.01 | newsense | jpinx: firewall allow https connections ? |
| 22:58.05 | avu | jpinx, use http://www.useragentstring.com/ for example to check if your browser sends what you think it sends |
| 22:58.35 | jpinx | avu: checking |
| 22:58.45 | SerajewelKS | having a weird issue here. the time is stored in the bios as local time. when debian boots, it for some reason assumes it is UTC. when it halts, it assumes it is local. the result is that every time i reboot my clock gets set back 4 hours. |
| 22:59.08 | jpinx | I changed the UserAgent to IE on Vista and restarted iceweasel, but no joy |
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| 22:59.45 | avu | jpinx, why IE? |
| 22:59.59 | avu | jpinx, so the site I just showed you tells you you are an iceweasel= |
| 23:00.01 | avu | ? |
| 23:00.25 | newsense | avu, site you showed is down |
| 23:00.36 | newsense | nm |
| 23:00.39 | newsense | flaky |
| 23:00.44 | micols | SerajewelKS: perhaps tzconfig can fix it, then do ntpdate ntp.inet.tele.dk (apt-get install ntpdate) |
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| 23:00.52 | micols | or ntp.pool.org |
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| 23:01.31 | jpinx | avu: IE because it was top of the list |
| 23:01.41 | jpinx | only IE, netscape and opera supported |
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| 23:01.53 | avu | jpinx, surely you can also supply a custom string |
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| 23:02.04 | avu | jpinx, telling the bank you're firefox is your best bet, compatibility wise |
| 23:02.08 | SerajewelKS | micols: tzconfig has nothing to do with the system incorrectly interpreting the time at boot |
| 23:02.12 | jpinx | ah - maybe - not sure if I'm capable of that |
| 23:02.14 | SerajewelKS | micols: it's for after the system has come up |
| 23:02.28 | newsense | iceweasel has strong security , good to know |
| 23:02.31 | KDE4000 | whats iceweasel anyways, same as firefox without branding? |
| 23:02.37 | newsense | as far as that site states |
| 23:02.37 | micols | SerajewelKS: ntpdate can set your bios time |
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| 23:02.45 | jpinx | and I hate lying to my bank ;) |
| 23:02.55 | up365 | jpinx, there is a User Agent Switcher available as an add-on for your mozilla toolbar |
| 23:03.04 | micols | SerajewelKS: but ntpdate wont set it correctly if not tzconfig is correctly setup |
| 23:03.13 | avu | up365, we alredy got that far... :) |
| 23:03.18 | SerajewelKS | micols: that doesn't matter if it determines the time incorrectly every time it boots |
| 23:03.25 | avu | jpinx, one example of a valid firefox user agent string is |
| 23:03.26 | avu | jpinx, Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9b5) Gecko/2008032620 Firefox/3.0b5 |
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| 23:03.31 | jpinx | what's the string firefox? |
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| 23:03.33 | up365 | ok sorry didn't see that |
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| 23:03.49 | jpinx | avu: cool - thanks |
| 23:03.58 | jpinx | goes to tell a lie to his bank |
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| 23:04.26 | avu | jpinx, it's not actually a lie |
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| 23:05.08 | avu | jpinx, the only real difference between firefox and iceweasel is the name. and it's the bank's fault for doing dodgy user agent checks :) |
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| 23:05.42 | jpinx | yea - I guessed that from earlier chats here |
| 23:05.46 | KDE4000 | why is mozilla renaming there browser all the time? |
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| 23:06.08 | KDE4000 | whats gran paradiso then? |
| 23:06.20 | KDE4000 | anothere name for iceweasel? |
| 23:06.21 | jpinx | avu: I have inserted that string and it seems to work fine |
| 23:06.26 | voraistos | is this not firefox beta stuff ? |
| 23:06.40 | KDE4000 | i dont know, it came with my debian |
| 23:06.48 | avu | KDE4000, no it didn't. |
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| 23:07.08 | KDE4000 | avu: yeah it did, or at least its debian default home page |
| 23:07.09 | avu | KDE4000, grand paradiso is the name of firefox 3 when branding is disabled in the build |
| 23:07.26 | KDE4000 | iceweasel is firefox 2 without branding? |
| 23:07.33 | avu | no |
| 23:07.39 | avu | iceweasel is a re-branded firefox |
| 23:07.48 | voraistos | iceweasel is the name given to firefox by the debian project |
| 23:08.00 | KDE4000 | so u cant release it under firefox name if u have changed any source then? |
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| 23:08.25 | avu | KDE4000, that's the point of iceweasel basicaly, yes |
| 23:08.34 | voraistos | i dont know, ask mozilla, they are the ones who own firefox, the name, logo, etc ... |
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| 23:08.37 | KDE4000 | avu: heh |
| 23:08.42 | KDE4000 | ok |
| 23:08.45 | jpinx | avu: for interest - it appears that you need to restart iceweasel after changing the UserAgent with this extensiion |
| 23:09.02 | avu | jpinx, that's a bummer. |
| 23:09.11 | avu | jpinx, sure that's true though? |
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| 23:09.32 | KDE4000 | i dont think u need to do that |
| 23:09.49 | avu | !u |
| 23:09.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 23:10.06 | KDE4000 | lol |
| 23:10.09 | jpinx | avu: no - not sure - but it seems that way at the moment |
| 23:10.18 | KDE4000 | avu: check ---- http://www.hpcfactor.com/support/toolkit/useragent/default.asp |
| 23:10.30 | jpinx | continues to play |
| 23:10.31 | avu | KDE4000, why should I? |
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| 23:10.45 | KDE4000 | avu: it tells you browser agent |
| 23:10.49 | avu | KDE4000, I'm not the one using the extension... |
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| 23:11.05 | KDE4000 | oh, sorry |
| 23:11.16 | avu | KDE4000, also, a site that does that was already posted during the discussion :) |
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| 23:12.04 | KDE4000 | avu: ok |
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| 23:14.07 | jpinx | avu: no it doesn't need a restart - but my bank doesn't like that firefox string |
| 23:14.18 | jpinx | it only seems to work with IE |
| 23:14.26 | jpinx | cretins:( |
| 23:14.38 | voraistos | Are you lesbians ? i think lesbians are hot :D |
| 23:14.45 | voraistos | dpkg is such a reliable tool :D |
| 23:14.46 | dpkg | voraistos: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:15.04 | voraistos | err, i wasnt talking to you, bot :P |
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| 23:15.35 | avu | voraistos, take if to -offtopic |
| 23:16.17 | voraistos | haha i was just having a laugh at the cartoon you/dpkg linked to earlier :) |
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| 23:17.20 | SerajewelKS | so is there a reasonable explanation why the hw clock is loaded as UTC and saved as local on a fresh lenny install? |
| 23:17.25 | jpinx | avu: when adding a custom UserAgent string there are a load of boxes to fill - Description, User Agent, App Name, App Version, Platform, Vendor, Vendor Sub . Are these all important, or just the UserAgent box? |
| 23:18.28 | KDE4000 | lol [16:15:55] <dpkg> voraistos: I give up, what is it? |
| 23:18.33 | avu | jpinx, the user agent is just one string. I guess the extension constructs it from the input in that boxes, which kinda sucks though |
| 23:18.34 | KDE4000 | !!!! |
| 23:18.35 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 23:18.36 | avu | !lol |
| 23:18.36 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 23:18.48 | morbyte | jpinx: wether you make it or not -- send a snailmail to your bank, tell them thats rediculous what they do... IE only? lol. |
| 23:19.37 | morbyte | lol. -> harharhar |
| 23:19.38 | jpinx | avu: I stuck it all in one box - and it didn't work :( |
| 23:19.48 | jpinx | hence my comment about restarting iceweasel |
| 23:19.49 | avu | jpinx, figures |
| 23:20.11 | jpinx | goes off to deconstruct the string and get it to work |
| 23:20.27 | avu | jpinx, well if it works with the IE setting, why bother further? |
| 23:21.09 | avu | jpinx, I only said it might be better using the Firefox string in case they do nasty IE only stuff if they detect an IE user agent |
| 23:21.33 | avu | jpinx, since it works for you, that doesn't seem to be the case :) |
| 23:21.33 | eevar2 | i'm setting up a headless 'basement'-server, and would like to use disk encryption wherever possible, but still be able to reboot & log in without physical access. suggestions? |
| 23:22.11 | eevar2 | ideally with a non-root account, which makes encrypting /home a bit difficult? |
| 23:22.25 | avu | eevar2, disk encryption doesn't keep you from login in |
| 23:22.40 | avu | eevar2, when the system is running, you can access all the data just fine |
| 23:22.52 | avu | eevar2, no matter what user you are |
| 23:23.11 | avu | eevar2, disk encryption is about not being able to access the data if the system is switched off |
| 23:23.20 | eevar2 | it does hide my ssh key |
| 23:23.27 | avu | erm, what? |
| 23:23.33 | eevar2 | but guess i could use a password on occasion ;) |
| 23:23.38 | avu | no it doesn'.t |
| 23:23.55 | jpinx | avu: yea - I am just a little curious as to how the string is constructed from these boxes |
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| 23:24.05 | avu | once the system is up and running, the encryption is completely transparent. |
| 23:24.21 | eevar2 | yea, but how do i get it up & running w/o logging in first? ;) |
| 23:24.31 | jpinx | but after entering a different test string in each it's obvious that they only use the UserAgent box |
| 23:24.57 | avu | eevar2, you have to enter a password on the keyboard of the machine |
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| 23:25.17 | avu | eevar2, usually this happens before running init (from the initrd) |
| 23:26.15 | avu | eevar2, if you're only encrypting /home for example, it could be done manually and remotely of course |
| 23:26.34 | avu | eevar2, using an account with a $HOME outside of the encrypted partition |
| 23:26.37 | eevar2 | i guess encrypting /home would be my best option, yea |
| 23:26.53 | avu | eevar2, just don't encrypt /home but /mnt/data or something like that |
| 23:27.10 | avu | eevar2, or /srv or whatever makes sense |
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| 23:35.02 | eevar2 | okies, i'll create some random encrypted partition and try to keep my private stuff in that |
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| 23:40.03 | eevar2 | how about the swap? should I encrypt that as well, or does it get encrypted by default? |
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| 23:45.02 | eevar2 | tempted to just create an encrypted lvm from the whole disk as usual.. |
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| 23:52.05 | Akuw | hi |
| 23:52.11 | Akuw | is there any docx viewer ? |
| 23:52.39 | near | word 2007 |
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| 23:53.38 | Aquaraptor_ | how do I find what my uid and gid numbers are? |
| 23:53.43 | near | try abiword |
| 23:53.48 | near | id |
| 23:53.57 | Aquaraptor_ | woot thanks :D |
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| 23:54.38 | Aquaraptor_ | ls -ssh |
| 23:54.41 | Aquaraptor_ | oops |
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| 23:54.52 | Akuw | aviword can't open |
| 23:55.20 | xsdg | Akuw: google for "linux docx" |
| 23:55.28 | near | which version do you have? |
| 23:55.29 | Akuw | i supposed |
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| 23:55.55 | near | it's supported in 2.6 (wikipedia) |
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| 23:58.02 | near | you also got online converters |
| 23:58.06 | peppe | Akuw: openoffice 3 |
| 23:58.17 | Akuw | really? |
| 23:59.07 | near | yeah, but last time i tried it was only an export to rtf ; you lose quite everything |
| 23:59.14 | peppe | Among the planned features[28] for OOo 3.0, set to be released by September 2008 [29], are: # OOXML document support for opening documents created in Office 2007 |
| 23:59.16 | Akuw | no man |
| 23:59.21 | Akuw | i just need to open |
| 23:59.55 | sparr | is there a filtering proxy for linux that can decrypt ssl sessions like proxomitron for windows? |
