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| 00:00.46 | peppe | sparr: that's not exatly a "proxy"; ettercap |
| 00:00.55 | Akuw | OOo is Beta now? |
| 00:01.13 | peppe | beta2 |
| 00:01.14 | sparr | peppe: im not really interested in the semantics |
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| 00:01.28 | Akuw | i am downloading beta |
| 00:01.33 | peppe | sparr: ok, ettercap is fine |
| 00:01.34 | Akuw | 140MB Upsss |
| 00:01.52 | sparr | ill try to get ettercap working |
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| 00:02.33 | Vorbote | Akuw: your best stratetgy is to download an official milestone build (as debs, yay!) and install it side-by-side with your default sintall. It doesn't install any launchers so you have to go digging in /opt, but it is worth it. |
| 00:02.53 | Akuw | ok |
| 00:03.48 | Vorbote | Amilesonte buld is more recent than beta2. Of course, you can always install beta 2 from experimental. But if you scratch your head with the idea, it ain't fer ya, yet. |
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| 00:04.29 | Vorbote | The idea of using experimental, that is. |
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| 00:08.43 | dante_2core | I have an ext3 partition containing all my music. When making new directories and putting music there, I recently started having a problem: Even though the dir's mode is ugo+r, I can't access it, and ls <dirname> results in a weird "d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Supernature/ |
| 00:09.00 | dante_2core | any idea what this could be? I ran fsck, no errors. |
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| 00:11.18 | Vorbote | There's a limit on the number of directories a given node can contain (I don't rememeber the number off-hand, perhaps someone else remembers.) Perhaps it is time to consider another filesystem? (I'm partial to JFS, but then I've used it before both in AIX and OS/2) |
| 00:11.38 | dante_2core | Vorbote, there are about 900 subdirs in that folder |
| 00:12.38 | Vorbote | I think you are hitting the upper limits. Why don't you split your collection in directories? A hash like scheme based on alphabet ranges may help you. |
| 00:13.31 | dante_2core | I will now |
| 00:13.34 | dante_2core | thanks |
| 00:13.37 | Vorbote | Then run a fsck -D on your partition to optimize file access.... |
| 00:14.26 | itchi | dante_2core: From wikipedia: "here is a limit of 31998 sub-directories per one directory, stemming from its limit of 32000 links per inode." |
| 00:14.40 | dante_2core | mmh, is that counted recursively? |
| 00:14.50 | Vorbote | Tes, it incudes files. |
| 00:14.58 | Vorbote | s/Tes/Yes/ |
| 00:15.04 | itchi | dante_2core: You may check the file limites. There's a way to check this in the /proc i though |
| 00:15.40 | peppe | dante_2core: filesystem corrupted? |
| 00:15.54 | dante_2core | peppe, no, ran fsck, no errors |
| 00:16.05 | dante_2core | peppe, moving directories away works again |
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| 00:16.07 | itchi | dante_2core: How much files doe you have? |
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| 00:16.21 | dante_2core | about 20-22k in that directory |
| 00:16.34 | itchi | dante_2core: Should be not a problem then |
| 00:16.35 | infinity0 | anyone know what happened to the gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-full package in debian-multimedia? |
| 00:17.13 | itchi | dante_2core: I think it's /proc/sys/fs/file-max |
| 00:17.27 | Vorbote | infinity0: the ffmpeg libraries replace the official ones and everything goes haywire. |
| 00:17.28 | peppe | that's the maximum number of file descriptors opened |
| 00:17.53 | dante_2core | 203986 |
| 00:17.54 | infinity0 | Vorbote: wat |
| 00:17.59 | peppe | the maximum number of links inside a directory in ext3 is hardcoded |
| 00:18.00 | peppe | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+v2.6.26/include/linux/ext3_fs.h#L69 |
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| 00:18.16 | peppe | 32000 - 2 (. and ..) = 31998 |
| 00:18.32 | dante_2core | peppe, but that's not recursively? |
| 00:18.33 | Vorbote | inifinity0;: I've found it safer to hack everything under pbuilder to tell you the truth. |
| 00:18.39 | dante_2core | I mean, I don't have to count subfolders? |
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| 00:19.05 | infinity0 | i don't see any libffmpegs about |
| 00:19.12 | Vorbote | dante_2core: oh yes you do. each diretory consumes an inode entry. |
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| 00:19.19 | infinity0 | but why did they remove the -full package? |
| 00:19.23 | peppe | dante_2core: wait a moment. how many files and subdirectories do you have in your music dir? |
| 00:19.55 | peppe | not recursively, just at the "top level" |
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| 00:20.03 | dante_2core | peppe, about 23000 files, some ... dunno, 900 subfolders and in each of those subfolders another like... 3-4 subfolders |
| 00:20.16 | dante_2core | those 23k files are in the subfolders |
| 00:20.26 | dante_2core | in the main music dir there are but those 900 folders |
| 00:20.38 | Vorbote | infinity0: precisely for that. Marillat has had lots of tourble with the libraries versioning and probably he is considering a static version. Else, We'll have to roll our own. |
| 00:20.41 | dante_2core | I now made folders for "A", "B" etc, and it works again, though. |
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| 00:20.53 | greeg | hi |
| 00:21.07 | infinity0 | Vorbote: oh ok, fair enough |
| 00:21.08 | peppe | dante_2core: nope, it's not recursive |
| 00:21.34 | quagga | i don't suppose anyone here has encoded anything in dirac? |
| 00:21.54 | infinity0 | Vorbote: is there a HOWTO somewhere? i'm new to building deb packages |
| 00:22.02 | dante_2core | quagga, saywha? :D nah, but what's the problem? |
| 00:22.37 | quagga | dante_2core: i don't want to get too offtopic but i was wondering what people were using. i'm used to handbrake but i want a free codec |
| 00:22.43 | peppe | dante_2core: it's pretty strange, since if you try to create more directories than the fs limit, mkdir / mv / whatever should fail (with EMLINK, perhaps) |
| 00:22.45 | zack23 | how big should my swap space be if I have 4GB for Debian Etch? |
| 00:22.54 | dante_2core | peppe, I know... |
| 00:23.02 | Vorbote | infinity0: There's the Policy Manual and, may the gods forgive me, the Ubuntu Wiki, somewhere.... |
| 00:23.14 | infinity0 | lol okay i'll have a dig around |
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| 00:23.26 | peppe | dante_2core: this happens if you try to create more directories in your "top level" music dir? |
| 00:23.33 | dante_2core | peppe, yea |
| 00:23.40 | quagga | infinity0: debian-administration also has a nice guide on building your own packages |
| 00:23.43 | dante_2core | and it went away now that I made that alphabetical structure |
| 00:23.48 | peppe | dante_2core: instead, if you create new dirs in a subfolder, everything's fine? |
| 00:23.52 | infinity0 | ah ok, thanks |
| 00:24.04 | dante_2core | peppe, yea |
| 00:24.07 | dante_2core | at least I think so |
| 00:24.08 | dante_2core | lemme test |
| 00:25.10 | peppe | dante_2core: hmm, well, what I may suggest is: 1) upgrade your kernel 2) check your RAM 3) check your disk with smart 4) check your disk for bad blocks |
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| 00:25.30 | dante_2core | peppe, kernel 2.6.25 ram 2gb 3 & 4 I will |
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| 00:26.00 | greeg | i installed my nvidia drivers via make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image according to wiki.Debian.org since i have a custom kernel. It compiled fine on kernel 2.6.18 but when i ran make-kpkg on kernel 2.6.26.2, it spat out this output. http://rafb.net/p/dPgGoJ56.html |
| 00:26.12 | peppe | dante_2core: yes, do a check with memtest86+ |
| 00:26.18 | greeg | i was even able to play unreal 2004 on the original kernel |
| 00:26.27 | dante_2core | peppe, ... ahm... orite, but I don't get why |
| 00:26.30 | Vorbote | dante_2core: I bet you have problems not enouch RAM. The free command can give you an idea of how much that is. |
| 00:27.03 | infinity0 | quagga: is that a package or something? i can't find i, if it is |
| 00:27.29 | dante_2core | Vorbote, from my 2 GB 1gb is cached and one is used, not very much is free. I know the free command. |
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| 00:27.44 | zack23 | For a 4Gb system, is 2Gb of swap space good? |
| 00:28.02 | dante_2core | I don't get why this should pose a problem for creating dirs, especially since lowering the number of subdirs results in the problem going away |
| 00:28.48 | Vorbote | zack23: 4Gb is more like it. If you had more RAM, a greater swap would be a wast. |
| 00:28.55 | Vorbote | s/wast/waste/ |
| 00:28.59 | itchi | dante_2core: I create here some 999 dirs without any troubles here |
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| 00:29.21 | itchi | dante_2core: Even 9999 is ok |
| 00:29.22 | dante_2core | itchi, well, does it not depend on subdirs then? and the name of the dirnames for example? |
| 00:29.25 | peppe | dante_2core: faulty ram causes many problems; a thing like "d????????? ? ? ? ? ? Supernature/" is a symptom of bad ram / bad disks / buggy kernel |
| 00:29.45 | dante_2core | peppe, well this behaviour is as regular as swiss trains |
| 00:29.45 | Vorbote | itchi: but do you have the 22K files store under those dirs? |
| 00:29.49 | dante_2core | less subdirs -> this won't happen |
| 00:30.02 | dante_2core | btw, those 22k files are ~100 gb |
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| 00:30.07 | dante_2core | if that matters. |
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| 00:30.19 | itchi | Vorbote: Not yet, well, don't know a lazy trick to touch this in all this different dirs :-) |
| 00:30.22 | peppe | dante_2core: it's not a matter of filesystem intrinsic limits |
| 00:30.23 | zack23 | Vorbote: so the same amount as the physical ram then? |
| 00:30.28 | quagga | infinity0: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/336 is what i meant |
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| 00:30.37 | infinity0 | oh right, cheers :) |
| 00:30.42 | dante_2core | peppe, this behaviour is regular and thus can't reallly be a problem of ram bugginess |
| 00:30.49 | dante_2core | if I chown it for my user all is fine |
| 00:30.51 | peppe | dante_2core: i.e. if you couldn't create more directories you'd get plain errors like http://pastebin.com/d32763059 |
| 00:30.54 | dante_2core | no question marks anymore |
| 00:30.55 | itchi | bah: bash: /usr/bin/touch: Argument list too long |
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| 00:32.02 | peppe | dante_2core: it's not only a owner problem, why permissions are messed up too? it sounds like a disk/ram/kernel problem |
| 00:32.12 | Vorbote | zack23: Up to 4GB, unless you are counting on lots of cached stuff, like Tomboy running Zimbra (the $·%·"&%$), but if you are on 32 bits,each swap partition won't do more than 3GB unless your CPU does PAE |
| 00:32.23 | itchi | heh, xterm died |
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| 00:32.38 | peppe | maybe a disk block is faulty and something is going really wrong, but you are not noticing that |
| 00:32.58 | dante_2core | peppe, well I am dead sure it is not, since the behaviour is so regular and based on what user it is, if the dir belogns to root, qmarks, if it doesn't, no qmarks |
| 00:33.05 | dante_2core | no exceptions, 10 examples |
| 00:33.45 | zack23 | Vorbote: currently my system runs well with 1Gb (and 1Gb swap) so I was going to put in another 3Gb - I guess I'll put 4 then....but i dont think it's currently used much right now, the swap |
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| 00:34.35 | peppe | dante_2core: what if the kernel is buggy in a deterministic fashion? :) |
| 00:34.42 | dante_2core | peppe, well... |
| 00:34.43 | dante_2core | look |
| 00:35.01 | dante_2core | i'll upgrade the kernel and have alook at memory/hdd, too. but it's fixed atm anyway. |
| 00:35.11 | Vorbote | dante_2core: well. a bit of a dirty trick to speed up file access that at the least worked up to 2.6.22 was to enable joural_data on your ext3 partition. |
| 00:35.25 | dante_2core | thanks for the help though, I'll return the favour as best as I can :) |
| 00:35.35 | dante_2core | as good as I can* |
| 00:35.47 | peppe | np |
| 00:36.48 | itchi | heh, no easy trick that permit to create so many files in so mine dirs. xtem crash every time :-s |
| 00:37.01 | itchi | s/mine/many/ |
| 00:37.03 | dante_2core | itchi, lawl, don't bother |
| 00:37.20 | itchi | dante_2core: No, just for me to check a nice trick :-p |
| 00:37.52 | dante_2core | itchi, oh, I see :P well, afk again. beep me if anything is |
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| 00:38.12 | Vorbote | zack23: With Debian's kernel configuration, 4 GB under 32 bit should work OK with a 4 GB swap. You can use a file swap (dd if=/path/tofile bs=1MB count=3MB && mkswap /path/to/file and the add to fstab) to increase the swap. |
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| 00:38.48 | quagga | i take it if i want the nx bit supported in 32-bit debian i'm going to have to recompile the kernel? |
| 00:38.51 | itchi | dante_2core: Well, i'm shooting my system :-p Seems to be an big issue this case :-) |
| 00:38.51 | zack23 | Vorbote: okay thank you.... Also where does debian get the space for the /lib/init/rw and /dev/shm partitions (about 500mb each) |
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| 00:39.15 | Vorbote | zack23: from RAM. They are tmpfs filesystems. |
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| 00:39.28 | zack23 | Vorbote: thank you. I thought so. Thanks |
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| 00:41.44 | Vorbote | zack23: I'm a bit distracted. Use dd if=/dev/zero of=/parth/to/file/ bs=1MB count=3 |
| 00:41.56 | zack23 | Okay thanks |
| 00:42.44 | zack23 | Just another general question - I have been using qmail for a while now but am thinking of postfix? Does anyone have experience with this? |
| 00:43.15 | cafuego | zack23: postfix is .. how do i put this. perfect. |
| 00:43.26 | zack23 | hehe |
| 00:43.31 | cafuego | not in the least due to its license |
| 00:43.42 | zack23 | would it be easy to go from Qmail -> Postfix? I mean Qmail uses Maildir and I think Postfix does too |
| 00:43.51 | zack23 | Where does Postfix store the queue? in /var? |
| 00:44.01 | cafuego | zack23: postfix uses whatever you tell it to do, certainly it can use maildrop to deliveer to maildir |
| 00:44.16 | cafuego | zack23: /var/spool/postfix |
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| 00:44.35 | cafuego | there are tools to twiddle the queue though |
| 00:44.42 | zack23 | I like qmail because of support of this kind of stuff: http://mail.inter7.com/cgi-bin/qmailadmin |
| 00:44.50 | cafuego | postsuper, postqueue etc |
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| 00:45.33 | cafuego | zack23: what does that do? |
| 00:46.00 | zack23 | it allows one to log in and create aliases, forwards, etc, for their respective virtual mail domain - so you can give it to friends, etc and they can set all up themselves |
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| 00:46.48 | cafuego | ah ok. postfix doesn't have a buoilt-in one. I wrote one for squirrelmail that allows for virtual domaina dna aliases via mysql |
| 00:47.16 | cafuego | and I'm sure there are others out there |
| 00:47.42 | zack23 | are virtual domains/users easy to set up under postfix? |
| 00:47.42 | cafuego | http://postfixadmin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 00:47.48 | cafuego | zack23: Yup |
| 00:48.14 | cafuego | zack23: Mine is fairly complex because the same DB is used for shell and ftp auth too. and includes greylisting prefs etc. |
| 00:48.32 | cafuego | zack23: The best choice of backend is either ldap or mysql. |
| 00:48.37 | zack23 | Can you still use Courier for IMAP retrieval? |
| 00:48.53 | cafuego | zack23: Yup |
| 00:48.54 | newsense | when i restart mt computer and login via kdm kwin doesnt start unless i end the session and choose kde instead of default from session type |
| 00:49.04 | cafuego | maildir is maildir, so whatever can use maildir can access the mail. |
| 00:49.25 | cafuego | zack23: dovecot is supposedly better/faster though |
| 00:50.45 | zack23 | oh wow thanks - seems a lot less bloated than courier |
| 00:51.05 | zack23 | hmm I dont know how to transfer the current virtual domain users to postfix from qmail |
| 00:51.23 | cafuego | what sormat does qmail store them in? |
| 00:51.26 | cafuego | s/s/f/ |
| 00:52.07 | zack23 | i think their own .alias files - postfix uses mysql? |
| 00:52.12 | cafuego | has to integrate mydns in his setup too |
| 00:52.41 | cafuego | zack23: No and yes. By default it uses hash maps (text files) but you can make it use a large range of databases etc. |
| 00:52.45 | zack23 | if postgres uses Maildir, I shouldn't have to do anything with the current setup? |
| 00:53.20 | cafuego | zack23: you need to tell postfix where the virtual domains and users are defined and where it should deliver the mail to. |
| 00:53.48 | zack23 | how do you do it? Do you have like /home/virtual or something? |
| 00:54.01 | greeg | i installed my nvidia drivers via ---> make-kpkg kernel_image modules_image; according to wiki.Debian.org since i have a custom kernel. It compiled fine on kernel 2.6.18 (and was able to play unreal 2004) but when i ran make-kpkg on kernel 2.6.26.2, it spat out this output. http://rafb.net/p/p0X5wz35.html |
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| 00:54.16 | cafuego | zack23: /var/spool/vmail but yeh |
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| 00:54.27 | cafuego | /var/spool/vmail/DOMAIN/USER/ |
| 00:54.45 | zack23 | and your default mail delivery? currently my default is /home/user/Maildir |
| 00:54.54 | zack23 | (sorry about the questions..just want to make sure) |
| 00:54.58 | wols_ | greeg: nvidia installer? |
| 00:55.06 | wols_ | greeg: ie from nvidia.com? |
| 00:55.51 | cafuego | zack23: I use maildropmysql (part of courier) and that has a processing rule to dump to the virtual maildr. There are no system users on that box that mail is delieverd for. |
| 00:56.39 | cafuego | zack23: there is /home/cafuego and that's it. The rest is all a single account shared between all mail users. |
| 00:57.07 | zack23 | if there were system users, would /home/cafuego/Maildir suffice? |
| 00:57.24 | cafuego | zack23: This is sort of like my setup: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-etch/ |
| 00:57.44 | zack23 | also how should I install postfix? Are the debian etch packages good to go or should I compile from source to get the latest and greatest? |
| 00:58.03 | cafuego | zack23: The debian package sare just fine. |
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| 00:58.56 | cafuego | zack23: And yes, with system users you could deliver to ~/Maildir I suppose. That sort of means you need to custom map a lot of stuff if you hostm mail for say 200 doamins. |
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| 00:59.47 | cafuego | doesn't want to have to create users for 200 domains, or have coded usernames that doesn't necessarily match the mailbox, or get user@domain1 versus user@domain2 clashes. |
| 00:59.56 | zack23 | something about using mysql....should be okay though |
| 01:00.41 | cafuego | zack23: I should note i do use lenny and not Etch for my spam filtering, though. |
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| 01:01.56 | zack23 | hmm i cant find where i can specify the Maildir path for each user (virtual user and non-virtual user) |
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| 01:02.25 | cafuego | zack23: I do that in the maildrop config file. |
| 01:02.41 | cafuego | zack23: postfix is set to hand mail to maildrop, maildrop figures out where the mail should go. |
| 01:04.18 | zack23 | so I shouldnt use Postfix directly - set up maildrop? |
| 01:04.31 | zack23 | in that link you sent, i dont see any mention of maildrop |
| 01:04.56 | cafuego | if all you have is ~/Maildir/ delivery you shouldn't need maildrop, no. |
| 01:05.22 | cafuego | The website uses dovecot as LDA. |
| 01:06.04 | zack23 | right I see the home_mailbox = Maildir/ conf |
| 01:06.10 | cafuego | yep |
| 01:06.11 | zack23 | though doesnt talk about virtual mail tweaking... |
| 01:07.17 | cafuego | postfix handles the virtual mail. It processes rules until it finds out what mailbox it should go to, then it delivers to THAT users' Maildir |
| 01:08.38 | zack23 | okay one last question... if i had alex@domain.com, and there was no physical login for alex, it still worked - qmail handled this fine - how about postfix? |
| 01:10.12 | opensrcguru | what whould cause an 'init 6' not reboot the machine? it shuts down gracefully and stops.....reboot does the same thing. |
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| 01:11.30 | dusty_ | Hey guys I get locale errors on my vps when i run apt-get install, i need to install language-support-en but it can't be found when i do apt-get install language-support-en anyone know what the package is called ? |
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| 01:12.53 | Jyzygzy- | how do you set the Mic Capture volume from command line? |
| 01:13.18 | opensrcguru | Jyzygzy-: i use alsamixer |
| 01:13.25 | Jyzygzy- | no |
| 01:13.27 | Jyzygzy- | command |
| 01:14.22 | cafuego | zack23: No, postfix does NOT handle the logins *at all*. |
| 01:14.36 | cafuego | zack23: it's an MTA, not an MDA. |
| 01:14.42 | zack23 | cafuego: thank you for your help. I truly appreciate it |
| 01:14.50 | opensrcguru | !tell Jyzygzy- about alsa |
| 01:14.59 | cafuego | no worries. #postfix is probably a helpful place for specific info. |
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| 01:15.22 | opensrcguru | Jyzygzy-: i believe alsa-utils is what you need |
| 01:16.15 | Jyzygzy- | i've fucking tried every amixer command i can think of |
| 01:16.22 | Jyzygzy- | amixer set Mic Capture Volume 35 |
| 01:16.48 | Jyzygzy- | it just sets it to 100 |
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| 01:18.26 | opensrcguru | Jyzygzy-: alsamixer is a little different. it used a menu driven interface to control mixer levels. have you made sure its not muted? |
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| 01:19.05 | Jyzygzy- | ... |
| 01:19.25 | mogra | I try to build nvidia-legacy for 2.6.25-1-686 and I receive an error that nvidia's driver doesn't support a Xen kernel and that my kernel is a Xen kernel. Was Xen enabled in that build? |
| 01:19.25 | Jyzygzy- | just how do you plan using alsamixer with cron? |
| 01:19.46 | opensrcguru | Jyzygzy-: did you see if the mic was muted? |
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| 01:19.57 | Jyzygzy- | how the fuck does that have to do with anything? |
| 01:20.07 | opensrcguru | if its muted, your levels mean nothing. |
| 01:20.38 | mogra | 2.6.25-2-686* |
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| 01:21.20 | opensrcguru | Jyzygzy-: you can tell if its muted using alsamixer my the two 'MM' below its respective column. |
| 01:21.30 | opensrcguru | s/my/by/g |
| 01:22.01 | cafuego | mogra: grep XEN /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 01:22.40 | mogra | 2 lines |
| 01:22.48 | Jyzygzy- | opensrcguru do i have to have my power cord plugged in? |
| 01:22.49 | mogra | # CONFIG_XEN is not set, CONFIG_NETXEN_NIC=m |
| 01:22.58 | CrippsFX | how would I configure my PC to share my internet connection with another device? For example, I have a laptop that connects wirelessly, and I want to share that connection with another PC using a crossover cable ... is this done with just a route entry? If so, what should I be using as the route entry? |
| 01:23.02 | Jyzygzy- | how bout monitor turned on? |
| 01:23.19 | cafuego | mogra: Ok, nvidia is on crack. |
| 01:23.51 | mogra | wait a sec, cafuego. I'm currently running 2.6.24 to allow my wife to have gui, lemme check the 2.6.25 config |
| 01:23.56 | opensrcguru | i cant say, i dont have one ;) |
| 01:24.06 | opensrcguru | cant hurt |
| 01:24.33 | RageOfThou | !peak |
| 01:24.52 | mogra | cafuego, CONFIG_XEN=y |
| 01:25.15 | mogra | for 2.6.25-2-686 |
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| 01:25.54 | opensrcguru | CrippsFX: do you want to firewall? |
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| 01:27.05 | CrippsFX | opensrcguru, no, I'm just using it on my LAN to proved an NFS server. |
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| 01:30.43 | opensrcguru | CrippsFX: so the debian linux laptop has wireless internet and you want to share its internet access with another debian linux device via a x-over cable? |
| 01:31.25 | Ace2016_- | wtf happened to sourceforge? the site looks like a free web template ... |
| 01:31.31 | Ace2016_- | nvm offtopic |
| 01:31.39 | CrippsFX | opensrcguru ... ish ... the other machine is actually a QNX machine with which I would like to share my network connection |
| 01:31.52 | CrippsFX | but yes, x-over cable. |
| 01:32.44 | opensrcguru | CrippsFX: sounds like you need a simple masqueradiing firewall setup with the wireless interface as the WAN interface. |
| 01:33.10 | vorpal | hmm, does suspend-to-disk preserve the file cache? |
| 01:33.23 | CrippsFX | opensrcguru, do you know any good docs that will help me to set that up? |
| 01:33.42 | opensrcguru | CrippsFX: theres a shit ton of docs on the net to asist with that. don't worry so much about the wireless interface, focus on the masquerading setup. |
| 01:33.44 | opensrcguru | yup |
| 01:33.52 | opensrcguru | hold please |
| 01:34.01 | opensrcguru | do you want one of mine ? |
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| 01:34.03 | opensrcguru | ;_ |
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| 01:34.07 | CrippsFX | sounds good, thanks. |
| 01:34.41 | vorpal | saving the file cache would explain why it takes so long sometimes to suspend and then restore |
| 01:35.06 | vorpal | there must be a kernel option somewhere |
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| 01:36.03 | vorpal | in the mean time, i use a one-liner script to clear the file cache |
| 01:36.27 | opensrcguru | CrippsFX: http://pastebin.com/m756aa92 |
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| 01:37.17 | opensrcguru | CrippsFX: this one is a little much for what you need, but it should get you going. remove lines as you see fit. also 'man 8 iptables' is your friend. |
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| 01:38.01 | CrippsFX | opensrcguru, thanks, that gives me a really good place to start. |
| 01:38.13 | opensrcguru | CrippsFX: http://www.cyberdogtech.com/firewalls/ is a step by step good resource |
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| 01:38.48 | CrippsFX | looks good, thank you! |
| 01:39.05 | opensrcguru | CrippsFX: #iptables is also a good resource ;) |
| 01:39.15 | CrippsFX | :) |
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| 01:39.57 | opensrcguru | Jyzygzy-: did you give up? |
| 01:42.12 | opensrcguru | hrrrrm damn the thankless few who come into #debian and curse the people trying to help, then storm off whimpering. |
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| 01:45.37 | Phoul | Does anyone know the name of the package for highlighting C# syntax in vim |
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| 01:45.50 | gkffjcs_ | can debians fstab handle using vol_id s? |
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| 01:47.14 | simonrvn | Phoul: try vim-scripts |
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| 01:48.12 | Phoul | hrm, no, still no highlighting... unless theres a vim switch im missing or somesuch |
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| 01:48.35 | simonrvn | you need to enable syntax highlighting |
| 01:48.53 | simonrvn | not enabled by default |
| 01:48.53 | Phoul | Im rusty with vim, I apologize. |
| 01:49.04 | Phoul | Whats the command to do so? |
| 01:49.10 | simonrvn | i suppose some distros enable it by default |
| 01:49.27 | simonrvn | iirc it's :syntax on or such |
| 01:49.53 | simonrvn | or :set syntax on |
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| 01:50.30 | quagga | Phoul: have you installed vim? vim-tiny which debian ships with by default doesn't highlight |
| 01:50.56 | Phoul | yeah i installed vim |
| 01:50.58 | simonrvn | all sorts of things are diabled in the vim-tiny build |
| 01:51.03 | simonrvn | disa* |
| 01:51.20 | Phoul | :syntax doesnt work or it might work but doesnt like me... |
| 01:51.27 | Phoul | ~ |
| 01:51.27 | Phoul | No Syntax items defined for this buffer |
| 01:51.29 | Phoul | is what i get |
| 01:51.41 | Phoul | so im assuming it doesnt recognize *.cs |
| 01:52.05 | simonrvn | .:21:49:53:. < simonrvn> or :set syntax on |
| 01:52.11 | simonrvn | :syntax on |
| 01:52.15 | Phoul | ohh, my apologys |
| 01:52.22 | simonrvn | i think it's the 1st one i repasted |
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| 01:52.36 | simonrvn | checks his .vimrc |
| 01:52.38 | Phoul | ahh that appears to work |
| 01:52.53 | simonrvn | syntax enable |
| 01:52.54 | Phoul | I need to find a decent vim rc one of these days, or write one... |
| 01:52.57 | simonrvn | in .vimrc |
| 01:53.16 | Phoul | would you mind paste binning yours? |
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| 01:53.37 | simonrvn | yeh, actually ;) |
| 01:53.40 | Phoul | Theres a bunch of things i wish to enable but for the life of me i cant remember the commands... |
| 01:53.42 | simonrvn | try dotfiles.com or vim.org |
| 01:53.50 | Phoul | Alright, Well.... Could you gimmie one more possibley lol |
| 01:54.02 | Phoul | Which is the flag to set line numbering on |
| 01:54.08 | quagga | quaggaspace.org/files/vimrc <- my very simple vimrc |
| 01:54.11 | simonrvn | dunno that one |
| 01:54.59 | jpinx | another problem with iceweasel is that is won't send the attachments through gmail - anyone got a solution? |
| 01:55.38 | quagga | jpinx: it works fine for me ... |
| 01:56.49 | jpinx | quagga: really? It just ignores the attachments. Have I missed some plug-in or extansion? |
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| 02:00.15 | quagga | jpinx: well, i just tested it again. it worked for me |
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| 02:01.01 | jpinx | have you some plug-in's or extensions working? |
| 02:01.09 | jpinx | maybe something in Java? |
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| 02:04.36 | Phoul | Debian lenny = the bork with mono i swear |
| 02:04.36 | Phoul | lol |
| 02:04.56 | quagga | jpinx: i doubt it. i am using google apps for my domain |
| 02:05.07 | quagga | jpinx: it's all ajax. it should just work |
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| 02:11.05 | gkffjcs_ | is there a way to make a relative link? |
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| 02:13.01 | dondelelcaro | gkffjcs_: yes |
| 02:13.42 | gkffjcs_ | how? It doesn't seem to be obvious. |
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| 02:14.45 | gkffjcs_ | nm, just figured it out. |
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| 02:21.09 | mohadib_ | how can i add a samba user with a space in the username? |
| 02:21.25 | mohadib_ | right now my config also requires a local account to have samba access |
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| 02:25.27 | zu22 | hey what is the official name for the testing release? (not the nickname), i am shopping around for a VPS and i keep seeing "Debian 4.0" but that is 'etch' which was released almost 2 years ago! is "Debian 5.0" the testing release? |
| 02:26.10 | dondelelcaro | zu22: there's no testing releasea |
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| 02:26.26 | dondelelcaro | zu22: the codename for the next stable release is lenny, which is currently pointed at testing. |
| 02:26.41 | dondelelcaro | zu22: you can just buy etch, and upgrade to lenny if you want. |
| 02:26.55 | dondelelcaro | though frankly, for servers, there's little reason to run something beyond etch. |
| 02:27.01 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: oh ok, he told me there OpenVZ templates only have Debian 4.0 so i was worried i'd be stuck with it |
| 02:27.06 | zu22 | s/there/their |
| 02:28.03 | zu22 | dondelcaro: i know testing gets security updates, i was worried if i ran a stable release it would not catch security updates |
| 02:28.29 | zu22 | dondelelcaro: also do you know if 256MB RAM is enough to run full Apache? if not i will go with lighthttpd |
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| 02:35.04 | Phoul | does lenny come with pam by default? |
| 02:35.18 | Phoul | !pam |
| 02:35.18 | dpkg | methinks pam is the Pluggable Authentication Modules. Check http://www.us.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/ for more information. Linux-PAM SysAdmin's Guide is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/libs/pam/Linux-PAM-html/Linux-PAM_SAG.html. PAM Always Malfunctions |
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| 02:36.59 | eldowan | Phoul: I believe so, yes |
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| 02:39.38 | Meaw3 | how to let tail -f /var/log/pppd.log for example to show the last 40 line? |
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| 02:40.06 | Meaw3 | i mean cat not tail |
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| 02:48.47 | Phoul | anyone here a fglrx guru |
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| 02:51.00 | intreq | can some one name some pros and cons about debian |
| 02:51.01 | intreq | ? |
| 02:51.14 | dondelelcaro | !tell intreq -about why debian |
| 02:51.50 | dondelelcaro | Meaw3: you use tail -40 or similar. man tail |
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| 02:55.13 | Phoul | Hey, Im having issues with fglrx, Im not sure what hte issue is but im not getting direct rendering... any ideas? |
| 02:56.02 | mogra | are you on the most up to date fglrx? |
| 02:56.07 | Phoul | yes |
| 02:56.20 | Phoul | ohh.. wait a second... |
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| 03:04.52 | mogra | Phoul, I hear that Phoronix.com is an AMD sponsored git resources for the fglrx drivers |
| 03:05.50 | mogra | anyway, the AIGLX support needed for direct rendering was only recently "re-added" to the fglrx driver. I've gotten it to work, but I'm normally not one to use compositing so I disabled it since then. |
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| 03:06.37 | pablo | hi, is there a file which specifies which kernel modules to load? |
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| 03:07.39 | pablo | or the loaded modules are autodetected and loaded automatically? |
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| 03:08.00 | mhymn | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:08.02 | mhymn | ? |
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| 03:09.19 | greeg | hi |
| 03:09.33 | greeg | how can i determine the size of the filesystem and not the partition |
| 03:09.34 | pablo | mhymn: yes but that file is empty and lsmod not |
| 03:10.08 | greeg | i need to make sure resize2fs worked. |
| 03:11.28 | mhymn | pablo: waht is you question exactly? |
| 03:12.52 | jpinx | there doesn't appear to be a .deb for ntfs-3g How do I get it ? |
| 03:13.04 | pablo | mhymn: the loaded modules are loaded because they were autodetected? |
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| 03:14.28 | sander_ | Hi.. When I plug in my canon digital photo camera with usb to miniusb I get up a screen like this: A camera has been detected, import photos? .. When I push import nothing happens, and fdisk -l dosnt show any device like normal usb hardisks. |
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| 03:14.59 | mhymn | pablo: afaik yes, and if they are located in /etc/modules too |
| 03:15.09 | pablo | mhymn: ok |
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| 03:17.49 | mhymn | greeg: what do you mean by the size of filesystem? |
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| 03:18.37 | greeg | resize2fs -p /dev/hdb1 118G |
| 03:18.48 | greeg | how can i assert that it worked? |
| 03:18.51 | newsense | can someone try to access kde-look.org for me ? |
| 03:19.11 | newsense | seems to be down which is rare |
| 03:19.37 | greeg | i want to shrink the /dev/hdb1 partition. resizeing the filesystem has to take place first. right? |
| 03:20.26 | mhymn | jpinx: /msg dpkg ntfs-3g |
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| 03:21.22 | mhymn | greeg: fdisk -l ? |
| 03:21.25 | newsense | how can i find the ip of a domain name ? |
| 03:21.45 | greeg | mhymn: isn't that partition size? |
| 03:21.58 | greeg | i need filesystem size. |
| 03:21.59 | Meaw3 | newsense, whois domainname |
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| 03:22.11 | greeg | how do i make resize2fs /dev/hdb1 118G work ? |
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| 03:22.22 | newsense | Meaw3: dont give me ip |
| 03:22.27 | mhymn | greeg: i dont know what do you mean by filesystem size, sorry dude |
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| 03:22.59 | greeg | mhymn: is it safe to shrink the parition size with out running resize2fs ? |
| 03:23.01 | newsense | Meaw3: gives address and phone # |
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| 03:23.07 | Meaw3 | newsense, actually if you ping the domain you will get the ip |
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| 03:23.42 | mhymn | dunno |
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| 03:23.57 | newsense | Meaw3: if my dns server can resolve the ip |
| 03:24.06 | newsense | think thats my problem |
| 03:24.53 | newsense | Meaw3: can you access www.kkde-look.org |
| 03:25.02 | mhymn | newsense: its not your DNS, though you can use another one linke openDNS |
| 03:25.07 | newsense | err www.kde-look.org |
| 03:25.09 | mhymn | like* |
| 03:25.41 | newsense | mhymn: can you not reach the server either ? |
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| 03:26.02 | mhymn | newsense: yes, and check this --> nslookup kde-look.org |
| 03:26.04 | Meaw3 | newsense, looks like the site is down, not your fault |
| 03:26.17 | newsense | ok cool |
| 03:26.48 | newsense | comcast dns servers did cache debian.org to one of their ips for a day or 2 |
| 03:27.09 | newsense | so thought it was their dumb ass admins again |
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| 03:28.20 | jpinx | how do I see the usernumber I am? |
| 03:28.41 | newsense | userid ? |
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| 03:28.59 | newsense | id |
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| 03:29.22 | newsense | or maybe ya want finger |
| 03:29.34 | newsense | not sure what ya mean |
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| 03:30.01 | jpinx | newsense: thanks - id did it :) |
| 03:30.09 | newsense | np brother |
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| 03:30.25 | mhymn | greeg: you want to shrink a mounted partition? |
| 03:30.38 | greeg | mhymn: i umounted it |
| 03:30.41 | jpinx | adds another command to the list |
| 03:31.01 | newsense | im starting one too |
| 03:31.07 | newsense | gonna make a www |
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| 03:31.41 | jpinx | there are lots of pages of commands, but it's not easy to get them referenced |
| 03:32.02 | newsense | yeah i know thats my main problem |
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| 03:32.09 | newsense | many have failed |
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| 03:33.57 | rpetre | hello, any idea how i can track down what's waking up my system right after it gets suspended (with s2ram) ? |
| 03:35.53 | newsense | cron ? |
| 03:35.54 | mhymn | greeg: what about this for example --> 'cfdisk /dev/hdb' it shows the unpartitioned space too |
| 03:36.20 | rpetre | nope, it's right afterwards, in less than a second |
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| 03:37.55 | rpetre | it started doing this all of a sudden about two months ago, iirc (i use lenny). i blamed uswsusp at the time, but in single mode it works perfectly, i mean it stays asleep |
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| 03:41.50 | greeg | i wander if such disfunctionality has anything to do with me running a custom kernel. |
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| 03:44.14 | amitz | I have 2 debian user accounts in one client. The first one can successfully connect using xtightvncviewer via ssh to the server. The other one will run a few seconds, then suddenly closed automatically. No error messages in terminal. Log mention an error of "gdm_slave_xioerror_handler: Fatal X error - Restarting 127.0.0.1:4". |
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| 03:46.10 | amitz | gdm log mentioned "(EE) AIGLX error: dlopen of /usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i915_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory)". But the file is indeed doesn't exist, so how come the other user can connect? What log do I need to paste here? |
| 03:46.16 | rpetre | what do you mean connect via xtightvncviewer via ssh? |
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| 03:47.07 | rpetre | xtightvncviewer connects over vnc only, i think |
| 03:47.16 | amitz | xtightvncviewer -via remoteaddress localhost:50 |
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| 03:47.30 | rpetre | ah, ok |
| 03:47.34 | amitz | sorry, basically a vnc that tunnel via ssh |
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| 03:48.10 | rpetre | sorry, i was missing that functionaliy |
| 03:48.26 | rpetre | might be different .ssh configs for the clients? |
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| 03:48.57 | rpetre | or conflicting ports (both using the same port) |
| 03:50.09 | amitz | I never messed with ssh config as far as I remember. about conflict, the gdm session of remote does started, but it died after a few secs. |
| 03:50.39 | rpetre | it only happens when they both try to connect at the same time? |
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| 03:51.50 | amitz | i think so, but let me rechecked, be right back since I'm in that remote. |
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| 03:52.45 | rpetre | also, you may want a X config without aiglx stuff for the vnc server |
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| 03:53.20 | rpetre | maybe they're fighting over exclusive access to the video driver they're not using anyway :) |
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| 03:58.31 | amitz | the problem is found |
| 03:58.54 | amitz | not ssh nor xtightvncviewer mistake, but my script that used except |
| 03:59.00 | rpetre | :) |
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| 04:01.38 | amitz | my "except" use "except eof" but it seems xtightvncviewer fork a process (most likely ssh process) and end itself thus my "expect eof" meet the end of xtightvncviewer :-( |
| 04:02.48 | amitz | , the "expect eof" not meeting or checking the ssh process instead. |
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| 04:08.00 | jp | Somos tambien GNU/Linux www.codigolibre.org |
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| 04:09.46 | cgs_bob | hello all. is there a way to find out which package belongs to a particular file? |
| 04:09.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | cgs_bob, yes |
| 04:10.10 | enouf | !tell cgs_bob about apt-file |
| 04:10.13 | rpetre | dpkg -S /path/to/file |
| 04:10.13 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /path/to/file! |
| 04:10.22 | rpetre | lol |
| 04:10.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:10.34 | rpetre | or dlocate /path/to/file |
| 04:10.43 | enouf | dlocate filename ;-) |
| 04:10.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | I think now we got all |
| 04:10.48 | jp | Somos tambien GNU/Linux www.codigolibre.org m |
| 04:11.00 | rpetre | jp: stop spamming please |
| 04:11.05 | jp | ok |
| 04:11.49 | cgs_bob | thanks for your help...just what I needed to know |
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| 04:13.00 | enouf | cgs_bob: some files are generated by the .postinst scripts, so for example, you won't find /etc/default/locale , or /etc/environment in any pkg list |
| 04:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | cgs_bob, all three are subtly different - dpkg -S is the simplest, dlocate is like locate and you need to run update-dlocatedb if it's not up-to-date and apt-file will locate files not on your computer also, but is kinda slow and you need to run apt-file update first |
| 04:13.29 | enouf | update-dlocatedb too ;-) |
| 04:13.34 | rpetre | and none will find the files enouf mentioned :) |
| 04:13.52 | enouf | ahh, you mentioned that CutMeOwnThroat , my bad |
| 04:13.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, but that's because they're not part of a package |
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| 04:14.31 | rpetre | yes, but now we're getting into the lexical fights about what "part of" means :) |
| 04:14.33 | enouf | asks CutMeOwnThroat "why not!?" |
| 04:14.36 | enouf | hides |
| 04:14.45 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:15.11 | rpetre | from the user POV, they got there when he installed package X, so they are part of it :) |
| 04:15.35 | rpetre | but we're confusing him now |
| 04:15.55 | enouf | rpetre: finding out which pkg, .postinst script generated it is somewhat non-trivial to newcomers, even some oldcomers :-P |
| 04:16.03 | rpetre | exactly |
| 04:16.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders what oldcomers are |
| 04:16.39 | enouf | cgs_bob: we mention it though - so you don't think you've been "rooted" rtight away ;-) |
| 04:16.44 | rpetre | that reminds me of the non-trivial problem that brought me here |
| 04:17.00 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: guys like me who still enjoy the ladies :-O |
| 04:17.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, finding a girl? |
| 04:17.15 | enouf | enjoys |
| 04:17.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | interesting coevolytion of thoughts, there |
| 04:17.26 | rpetre | um, if i need to find one on freenode, i'm screwed |
| 04:17.46 | enouf | haha |
| 04:17.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, I fear you might still overestimate the amount of swcrewing with that sentence... |
| 04:18.16 | rpetre | but seriously, any way i could trace what's waking up my system right after suspending it? |
| 04:18.23 | enouf | it's funny though, i've received some decent proposals since i've been irc'ing - but never searching for it, never trying :-P |
| 04:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | you have? |
| 04:18.40 | enouf | from females, and i'm not one ;-) |
| 04:18.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | there are no females on the internet |
| 04:18.50 | enouf | yep |
| 04:18.51 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: it was the metaphysical, not the "let's get physical", type of screwing, of course |
| 04:19.04 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i know, only balding fbi agants ;-) |
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| 04:19.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | all females on the internet are male, heavily overweight and don't shave often enough |
| 04:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | and probably don't wash |
| 04:19.40 | enouf | but they post some nice pics and videos, and sure know how to have online sex O_o |
| 04:19.43 | rpetre | ok, so i still need to put some weight before faking females on internet |
| 04:19.51 | enouf | are we offtopic yet? |
| 04:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, and I don't understand your question... |
| 04:19.54 | enouf | hides |
| 04:20.11 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: which one? the real one? |
| 04:20.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, nope - Chanserv sais "this is a discussion channel - ask a question and we'll try to answer" |
| 04:20.25 | enouf | haha |
| 04:20.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, yes |
| 04:20.42 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: don't tell Nyle that |
| 04:20.45 | enouf | runs |
| 04:20.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, don't say the N-word...er N-nick |
| 04:21.12 | enouf | :-P |
| 04:21.20 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: next time you quote it, do it right please |
| 04:21.34 | rpetre | so, when i'm suspending my laptop (to ram, that is), it goes through all the hooks (i'm using hibernate), runs uswsusp and sleeps (the hdd goes to sleep too), then it starts waking up immediately |
| 04:21.59 | rpetre | i tried in single mode and i don't have this issue, must be some daemon waking it up |
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| 04:22.30 | enouf | rpetre: sounds like my HDD, falls asleep for like 2 seconds :-) but this is an OLD buggy BIOS and a Desktop, not to mention other things, not related to you |
| 04:22.39 | rpetre | I tried not logging in gnome, just to make sure it's not a gnomish thing, but it still wakes up |
| 04:22.49 | enouf | rpetre: powertop might tell you which one |
| 04:23.00 | rpetre | enouf: well, it DID things right a few months ago |
| 04:23.02 | enouf | likely hald |
| 04:23.25 | enouf | or somecrap - ps aux, see the every 2 seconds crap? |
| 04:23.35 | rpetre | hmm, any idea what i could try to disable in hald to test? |
| 04:23.49 | enouf | or -- it's your NIC, you can't sleep and receive net |
| 04:23.52 | rpetre | it's not 2 seconds, it's right off the bat immediately |
| 04:24.27 | enouf | see if even hdparm -option-for-stanndby works |
| 04:24.37 | enouf | kill hal :-P |
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| 04:24.59 | rpetre | i will, not now, since i'm using it |
| 04:25.01 | enouf | powertop though is supposed to show you that |
| 04:25.17 | rpetre | but i'm collecting ideas for the next time i feel like tackling this |
| 04:25.33 | enouf | i see your collection basket |
| 04:25.48 | rpetre | what should i look in at powertop? something waking up often? |
| 04:26.13 | rpetre | s/in at/at in/ |
| 04:26.15 | rpetre | whatever |
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| 04:26.43 | mmlj4 | I'm running lenny, and about a month ago I upgraded the box, and ever since I can't ssh in.. I get "stdin: is not a tty". I've been patiently waiting for some bug to be fixed, but apparently that hasn't happened. Ideas? |
| 04:27.10 | enouf | mmlj4: does /dev/null exist? |
| 04:27.15 | enouf | erm |
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| 04:27.21 | enouf | mmlj4: does /dev/console exist? |
| 04:27.36 | enouf | oh, which bug? |
| 04:27.46 | rpetre | "some" bug |
| 04:27.54 | enouf | smacks myself for poor reading skills |
| 04:28.07 | kingsley | How do you change the permissions of a mounted raw qemu image, so that users other than root may write to it? (ls -l says chmod didn't work.) |
| 04:28.16 | mmlj4 | enouf: stat claims it does |
| 04:28.19 | enouf | smacks mmlj4 for saying 'some' |
| 04:28.43 | enouf | it? i asked about two though :-/ |
| 04:28.59 | enouf | they? them? those? |
| 04:29.03 | rpetre | mmlj4: do you have any custom scripts running at login? |
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| 04:29.15 | mmlj4 | rpedro_: nope |
| 04:29.33 | enouf | mmlj4: where's your filed bug report? |
| 04:29.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, ok, sorry, guy came and talked to me in here - look if there's something that could wake up the laptop directly... e.g. network can do that |
| 04:29.48 | rpetre | iirc, you needed to be in some group for /dev/pts access |
| 04:30.10 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm ifdown'ing all interfaces at sleep time |
| 04:30.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, actually, pulling off the usb wireless stick woke up my laptop... |
| 04:30.23 | rpetre | but i'll check |
| 04:30.38 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2008-07-12 11:48 stdin -> /proc/self/fd/0 |
| 04:30.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | not saying that it's the network... and I remember having one computer do the same as yours couple of years ago |
| 04:30.51 | rpetre | it's frustrating me i don't know where to stick a debug script |
| 04:31.08 | enouf | rpetre: you think that |
| 04:31.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | trying to remember what was the cause in my case back then |
| 04:31.17 | rpetre | well, it _started_ doing so after a regular upgrade a few months ago |
| 04:31.24 | enouf | 's bad, try serial console, for kernel oopses |
| 04:31.40 | rpetre | and i saw a red herring bug in uswsusp that seemed to match my issue |
| 04:31.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, hm, perhaps check in the bios ... perhaps you discover some obvious cause |
| 04:32.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, hm, it's not happening in single-user mode, you say? |
| 04:32.08 | rpetre | nope |
| 04:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, then it's simple |
| 04:32.30 | rpetre | it's happening when i'm not logged in gnome as well |
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| 04:32.31 | enouf | ssh also has a option to pass so you transfer console only to other box, or something |
| 04:32.48 | mmlj4 | hrm, /var/log/auth complained about /etc/invironment missing, so touch fixed that, but I'm getting openpty missing, (no path mentioned, gr... |
| 04:32.48 | rpetre | so it's not some userspace script |
| 04:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, go tto single user mode, then as root, go to /etc/rc2.d |
| 04:33.12 | mmlj4 | enouf: bug report filed if problem still exists tomorrow |
| 04:33.12 | enouf | rpetre: are ALL your network ifaces up and connected in single? |
| 04:33.15 | rpetre | iirc, i tried without having a network, although ifplugd might count |
| 04:33.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | then start the S-scripts one by one and suspend the laptop in between |
| 04:33.46 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: aha, good call |
| 04:33.48 | rpetre | will try |
| 04:34.02 | enouf | rpetre: did you do the grub single boot? or runlevel 1 ? how about when telint 1 from 2 |
| 04:34.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | or start a couple of them in one go until you narrow it down to 5 or so of them |
| 04:34.20 | enouf | how about setting default 1 in /etc/inittab |
| 04:34.27 | rpetre | enouf: i tried init=/bin/sh then suspend |
| 04:34.35 | enouf | that' no good |
| 04:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | ls -1 S* |wc -l |
| 04:34.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | 73 |
| 04:34.44 | enouf | that doesn't even run the S or 1 scripts |
| 04:34.45 | rpetre | enouf: i think we're not talking about the same issue |
| 04:34.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | might be a bit tedious, else :) |
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| 04:35.12 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: it's ok, i have a 3-hour internetless train ride ahead of me |
| 04:35.15 | enouf | ps aux when you boot init=/bin/sh - it's way to minimal |
| 04:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, init=/bin/bash is not the same as single user mode... |
| 04:35.23 | enouf | you have no net up |
| 04:35.26 | rpetre | as long as the power works in the train, it's perfect |
| 04:35.36 | enouf | and single is not the same as 1 |
| 04:35.39 | rpetre | enouf: i know |
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| 04:36.03 | enouf | powertop and net |
| 04:36.09 | rpetre | i was just trying to find out if it's not in between uswsusp or kernel |
| 04:36.22 | enouf | done |
| 04:36.26 | enouf | ;-) |
| 04:36.33 | enouf | kicks Nyle |
| 04:36.51 | rpetre | ok, so i'll do a binary search between init=/bin/sh and full options runlvl 5 |
| 04:37.00 | enouf | ... |
| 04:37.07 | rpetre | with a close eye on the network and hald |
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| 04:37.09 | enouf | !runlevels |
| 04:37.09 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing <rcconf> instead. http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212, or ask me about <startup>, or for a real twist, see <file-rc> |
| 04:37.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, but look in the BIOS first - there might be stuff defined in there that makes it wake up |
| 04:37.21 | rpetre | enouf: !rpetre_runlevels :) |
| 04:37.40 | sander_ | I have problems getting my pictures from my camera to my pc. |
| 04:37.48 | enouf | ofcourse, like Wake on LAN, Wake On modem ring, and PME |
| 04:37.52 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: i will, but i doubt it - i haven't touched BIOS in a year or so |
| 04:37.59 | sander_ | When I plug in my canon digital photo camera with usb to miniusb I get up a screen like this: A camera has been detected, import photos? .. When I push import nothing happens, and fdisk -l dosnt show any device like normal usb hardisks. |
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| 04:38.18 | enouf | bad shutdowns corrupt bios settings |
| 04:38.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | sander_, try "digikam"? |
| 04:38.32 | rpetre | sander_: canon uses PTP or whatever it's called, not mass storage |
| 04:38.56 | quagga | makes a mental note not to buy a canon camera |
| 04:38.58 | rpetre | you need a program that can talk directlyto the camera. digikam in kde or gphoto in gnome |
| 04:39.02 | enouf | i love these people who ask a question - answer themselves, and are always sure know the answer ;-) |
| 04:39.19 | rpetre | quagga: it's ok, it is supported very good |
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| 04:39.46 | sander_ | CutMeOwnThroat, rpetre: thanks! |
| 04:39.48 | quagga | rpetre: after my fuji died, i picked up a nikon l3 at microcenter for 60 bucks refurbished |
| 04:39.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, like who? |
| 04:39.53 | enouf | do you really think, not touching the bios settings in a year matters, without atleast qualifying that? |
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| 04:40.06 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: j0'm0mma ;-) |
| 04:40.07 | rpetre | enouf: i said, i'll look into it |
| 04:40.09 | rpetre | geez |
| 04:40.12 | enouf | ok |
| 04:40.15 | mmlj4 | hrm, lots of things busted, apparently.... /dev/pts problems, who knows what else |
| 04:40.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | ? |
| 04:40.25 | mmlj4 | botched upgrade from etch, perhaps? |
| 04:40.40 | enouf | mmlj4: pts are slaves, does df and mount show it mounted? |
| 04:40.52 | enouf | mmlj4: pts are xterm slaves |
| 04:41.12 | mmlj4 | xterm? i don't have x on the box |
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| 04:41.47 | enouf | so stop try to do x11 forwarding |
| 04:42.01 | mmlj4 | i'm not |
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| 04:42.35 | mmlj4 | or hrm, maybe sshd.conf here is set up to try it automatically? |
| 04:42.39 | enouf | sander_: try ##linux even |
| 04:43.23 | enouf | sander_: and try ##linux-help even |
| 04:43.23 | enouf | man sshd, mand sshd_config |
| 04:43.23 | enouf | er |
| 04:43.24 | enouf | -d |
| 04:43.29 | enouf | on mand |
| 04:43.36 | mmlj4 | looking through the file now |
| 04:43.48 | mmlj4 | way ahead of you, mand :-) |
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| 04:44.42 | mmlj4 | yep, it's set, -x will take care of that |
| 04:45.28 | mmlj4 | IF the box comes back up... it's in vmware on centos, and takes like 10 minutes to boot for some reason |
| 04:45.45 | enouf | ... |
| 04:46.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, perhaps it's not a service, but a kernel module... that seems more likely to me |
| 04:47.03 | mmlj4 | it cycles through all possible scsi devices before giving up and giving me a login... not worth worrying about, so long as it comes up eventually |
| 04:47.08 | rpetre | hm |
| 04:47.22 | rpetre | could be |
| 04:47.26 | rpetre | thanks |
| 04:48.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/253817 |
| 04:48.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | did you look at dmesg after the suspend/resume? |
| 04:48.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, and this might be of interest: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspend |
| 04:48.44 | rpetre | i did, haven't seen anything suspicious |
| 04:48.49 | rpetre | thanks |
| 04:49.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I said (or pasted) the u-word |
| 04:49.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hides. |
| 04:49.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:49.25 | rpetre | i think it's forgivable |
| 04:49.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | may I cite from that URL: "Resume problems are difficult to debug." |
| 04:49.48 | rpetre | aye |
| 04:50.00 | rpetre | good think i made it resume ok :) |
| 04:51.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | you know what was the cause? |
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| 04:51.53 | rpetre | no, i mean it resumes without the usual glitches (no display and stuff) |
| 04:52.12 | rpetre | i went through all the hacks half a year ago |
| 04:52.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | haha... what a hack - to save data in the real time clock |
| 04:53.30 | rpetre | sick |
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| 04:54.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:54.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | You have about 3 minutes to start this boot process before the information saved in the RTC gets corrupted. |
| 04:55.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, if you cannot find out with all this.... |
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| 04:56.06 | rpetre | hope to |
| 04:56.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, want to know the ms-windows type solution to the same problem? |
| 04:56.33 | rpetre | i'm going in vacation next week, i won't have internet too much |
| 04:56.37 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: nope |
| 04:56.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's funny :) |
| 04:56.48 | rpetre | i've been ms-free for about 3-4 years |
| 04:57.05 | rpetre | still makes me run in circles creaming |
| 04:57.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe, creaming? |
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| 04:57.22 | rpetre | um, typo |
| 04:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | has a vivid imagination, take care. |
| 04:57.37 | rpetre | but it;s more appropriate, come to think about it |
| 04:58.19 | rpetre | they still have the PG-13 warning on join, right? |
| 04:58.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh well, I'll tell you anyways - the ms-type solution was as follows (from a different page): "I removed some spyware / adware and the problem has now gone away. " |
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| 04:59.27 | rpetre | wasn't it just reboot? |
| 04:59.38 | KinhoGZNET | someone can help |
| 04:59.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | reboot while the laptop is suspended? |
| 04:59.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm.. |
| 04:59.57 | KinhoGZNET | apt-get update |
| 05:00.03 | KinhoGZNET | Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20080803-21:07] etch Release.gpg |
| 05:00.03 | KinhoGZNET | Ign cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20080803-21:07] etch Release |
| 05:00.06 | rpetre | i have a vivid memory of a dilbert strip with dogbert on call support: "shut up and reboot" "hey, my average response time is improving" |
| 05:00.06 | KinhoGZNET | wait is it? |
| 05:00.12 | KinhoGZNET | who know? |
| 05:01.03 | KinhoGZNET | any thing what i will install .. he retorn msg so: |
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| 05:01.45 | KinhoGZNET | version 4.0r4 are going with bugs? |
| 05:02.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, I have a similar memory where the guy from support asks him "did you reboot without saving your data first?" and he answers "several times" |
| 05:02.13 | rpetre | :) |
| 05:02.26 | KinhoGZNET | dammit ... any can me help? |
| 05:02.49 | KinhoGZNET | apt get dont wokr |
| 05:02.50 | apt | ACTION fetches dont wokr |
| 05:02.50 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: do you have any other (non-cdrom) sources in your sources.list? |
| 05:02.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | parsing error |
| 05:03.04 | KinhoGZNET | dont work |
| 05:03.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | apt understands him :) |
| 05:03.34 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: cut it out, not everyone speaks natively English |
| 05:04.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I'm serious... I don't understand what his problem is |
| 05:04.07 | KinhoGZNET | rpetre |
| 05:04.21 | KinhoGZNET | second cd? |
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| 05:04.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, not mocking, just stating a fact |
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| 05:05.25 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: in /etc/apt/sources.list do you have other lines except the ones with cdrom (and comments, of course) ? |
| 05:05.38 | KinhoGZNET | i will check, wait |
| 05:05.43 | rpetre | !paste |
| 05:05.43 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 05:06.17 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: use http://rafb.net/paste/ to show us your sources.list and the errors you're getting |
| 05:06.28 | boolias | Hi, periodically when I go to search for a package using apt-cache search I get this error: W: Couldn't stat source package list http://sluglug.ucsc.edu etch/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/sluglug.ucsc.edu_debian_dists_etch_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 05:06.37 | boolias | then if I apt-get update |
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| 05:06.42 | boolias | everything works ok |
| 05:06.57 | boolias | anyone have any idea why I get the error message in the first place? |
| 05:06.59 | KinhoGZNET | boolias here not |
| 05:07.04 | rpetre | boolias: do you have some periodic update? |
| 05:07.31 | boolias | i have apt-cron running |
| 05:07.35 | rpetre | it might clobber your saved packages files |
| 05:07.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, hm, e.g. lm-sensors could wake it up... anything that can (immediately) create an event, I guess |
| 05:07.42 | KinhoGZNET | here dont work nothing, when i used apt get |
| 05:07.56 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: that's not related to your problem |
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| 05:08.15 | rpetre | he has a different issue |
| 05:08.16 | KinhoGZNET | rpetre I´m posting .. wait |
| 05:08.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | boolias, I would guess they are updating that file sometimes... |
| 05:08.23 | rpetre | boolias: i gat that too |
| 05:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oops |
| 05:08.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | you already said that |
| 05:08.38 | rpetre | argh |
| 05:08.47 | K|NgGh0sT | Hello, I am getting a lot of system lockup and my syslog isn't leading to many clues but the dpkg won't finiush a dist-upgrade |
| 05:09.04 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm getting the error of 2008-08-09 00:55:00 configure linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 2.6.26-1 2.6.26-1 2008-08-09 00:55:00 status half-configured linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 2.6.26-1 |
| 05:09.07 | rpetre | overflows |
| 05:09.15 | KinhoGZNET | rpetre |
| 05:09.21 | KinhoGZNET | check its http://rafb.net/p/shdfWP75.html |
| 05:09.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | boolias, not you, the site you're updating from ... so the file would be really temporarily empty and thus could not be read - but all you can do is ignore it |
| 05:09.48 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: ok, so you don't have any external sources |
| 05:10.03 | KinhoGZNET | rpetre whati will make? |
| 05:10.16 | KinhoGZNET | new user from debian hehe |
| 05:10.31 | boolias | that's interesting. I tried changing my source list to different site but still saw the error |
| 05:10.39 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: what country are you in, italy? |
| 05:10.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | K|NgGh0sT, syslog? don't forget about dmesg ... and why are you installing a 486 type kernel, btw? |
| 05:10.58 | KinhoGZNET | I´am from brazil. |
| 05:11.12 | rpetre | a, ok, sorry |
| 05:11.17 | CutMeOwnThroat | "Lendo lista de pacotes... Pronto"? |
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| 05:11.21 | KinhoGZNET | hehehe np P |
| 05:11.29 | rpetre | try adding this in tour sources.list : |
| 05:11.33 | rpetre | deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian etch main non-free contrib |
| 05:11.37 | rpetre | also: |
| 05:11.39 | rpetre | !br |
| 05:11.39 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:11.44 | K|NgGh0sT | I thought it should be 386 but during the initial setup the netboot selected the 486 kernel. I just assumed it was right, but I have used 386 till now |
| 05:11.44 | KinhoGZNET | hhehe |
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| 05:12.02 | KinhoGZNET | debian=br fucking there |
| 05:12.10 | KinhoGZNET | i need register my nick |
| 05:12.13 | rpetre | sounds sexy |
| 05:12.17 | KinhoGZNET | its is sucks |
| 05:12.18 | KinhoGZNET | heheh |
| 05:12.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | boolias, perhaps it's something else - but I couldn't think of anything... perhaps you can try fetching the same file with your browser//wget and so gain some confidence why it cannot be retrieved? |
| 05:12.42 | KinhoGZNET | rpetre |
| 05:13.15 | KinhoGZNET | i dont know what will made |
| 05:13.17 | KinhoGZNET | auha |
| 05:13.19 | KinhoGZNET | help :P |
| 05:13.30 | KinhoGZNET | i will at http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian |
| 05:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | K|NgGh0sT, normally it'd be 686 these days - except if you really own a museum of 486ers |
| 05:13.32 | KinhoGZNET | laters? |
| 05:13.43 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: |
| 05:13.45 | rpetre | nope |
| 05:14.00 | rpetre | add the line i told you in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 05:14.00 | KinhoGZNET | new install my debian again ? |
| 05:14.06 | rpetre | no |
| 05:14.09 | KinhoGZNET | witch |
| 05:14.36 | KinhoGZNET | witch line? |
| 05:14.44 | rpetre | !tell KinhoGZNET about sources.list |
| 05:14.44 | KinhoGZNET | deb http://ftp.br.debian.org/debian etch main non-free contrib |
| 05:14.50 | rpetre | yes |
| 05:15.04 | KinhoGZNET | ye |
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| 05:15.38 | greeg | hi |
| 05:15.53 | greeg | what is the coresponding menu option in fdisk to shrink down a partition. |
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| 05:15.59 | KinhoGZNET | yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:16.00 | K|NgGh0sT | SOrry, I locked up again |
| 05:16.05 | KinhoGZNET | working now :P |
| 05:16.23 | KinhoGZNET | rpetre thanks ? :P |
| 05:16.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | K|NgGh0sT, what did you read last? :) |
| 05:16.33 | rpetre | you're welcome |
| 05:16.38 | KinhoGZNET | sorry for my english :P |
| 05:16.45 | KinhoGZNET | :P |
| 05:16.46 | K|NgGh0sT | CutMeOwnThroat, naw I missed it sorry |
| 05:17.04 | rpetre | eh, just try to be more explicit next time |
| 05:17.08 | rpetre | (and more patient) |
| 05:17.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | <CutMeOwnThroat> K|NgGh0sT, normally it'd be 686 these days - except if you really own a museum of 486ers |
| 05:17.28 | mmlj4 | ok, ssh -x fixed my problem |
| 05:17.32 | KinhoGZNET | he are going update :P |
| 05:17.34 | KinhoGZNET | r0x |
| 05:17.41 | KinhoGZNET | Baixados 5857kB em 1m37s (60,1kB/s) |
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| 05:17.44 | KinhoGZNET | ops |
| 05:17.47 | KinhoGZNET | sorry |
| 05:17.48 | KinhoGZNET | hehe |
| 05:17.50 | K|NgGh0sT | I use an Athlon XP, so I should be using 686 right |
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| 05:18.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | K|NgGh0sT, what kernel are you running right now, as the 2.6.26er wasn't fully installed? |
| 05:18.24 | rpetre | 686 should work on mosty anything x86 these days |
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| 05:18.44 | K|NgGh0sT | 2.6.25-2-486 |
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| 05:18.52 | rpetre | 2.6.25 has some lockdown issues |
| 05:18.58 | rpetre | i hit them too |
| 05:19.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 05:19.06 | K|NgGh0sT | yeah, and I cant seem to get out of them |
| 05:19.08 | rpetre | go back to 2.6.24, that works |
| 05:19.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 05:19.22 | K|NgGh0sT | Cause I can't even dpkg anymore |
| 05:19.25 | rpetre | it seems it's a HPET issue |
| 05:19.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | wonders which version he installed on his laptop day before yesterday |
| 05:19.55 | K|NgGh0sT | Is there away to get around the : dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem |
| 05:21.10 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: if from lenny, the one that locks down |
| 05:21.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, think it was 2.6.25... thanks for mentioning that, if I run into something like that... it's good to know |
| 05:21.20 | rpetre | if from sid, 2.6.26 |
| 05:21.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, but I managed to make the kernel panic with a module :) |
| 05:21.45 | rpetre | check the bts, there are a couple of bugs about this |
| 05:21.59 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: bleah, anyone can do that |
| 05:22.09 | rpetre | try it without the module |
| 05:22.33 | K|NgGh0sT | so is there a way to install the new kernel without doing the current inturpted dpkg |
| 05:22.36 | KinhoGZNET | Pleaser Insert the disc 'Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 r4a _Etch_ - Official i386 CD Binary-1 20080803-21:07' |
| 05:22.36 | KinhoGZNET | no drive '/cdrom/' e pressione enter |
| 05:22.48 | KinhoGZNET | what is it? |
| 05:22.51 | KinhoGZNET | again |
| 05:22.52 | KinhoGZNET | :/ |
| 05:22.56 | rpetre | comment the cdrom lines |
| 05:23.24 | KinhoGZNET | in sources.list? |
| 05:23.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, well, I haven't done it for years... |
| 05:23.45 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: yes |
| 05:23.52 | rpetre | they take precedence |
| 05:23.59 | KinhoGZNET | yeeeeeeeeeee |
| 05:24.02 | KinhoGZNET | working :P |
| 05:24.06 | KinhoGZNET | ahuahuiahaua |
| 05:24.11 | KinhoGZNET | again thanks :P |
| 05:26.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | does one have to install (an) additional package(s) to get the "info" type of documentation on debian? |
| 05:26.09 | rpetre | KinhoGZNET: if you're new to Debian i suggest taking a look at http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/index.pt-br.html and around http://wiki.debian.org/ |
| 05:26.24 | rpetre | yes |
| 05:26.29 | rpetre | info something |
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| 05:26.33 | KinhoGZNET | rpetre ok :P |
| 05:26.34 | rpetre | just a sec |
| 05:26.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I've had a couple of cases now where the manpage tells you to run "info command", but that only gives me the manpage once more |
| 05:26.45 | KinhoGZNET | same so thanks always :p |
| 05:27.17 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: apt-get install info |
| 05:27.18 | rpetre | :) |
| 05:27.34 | rpetre | but you'll robably be disappointed |
| 05:27.55 | rpetre | the "run <info command> to find out more" is a template |
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| 05:28.22 | rpetre | usually the infopages suck or have the same information as the manpage |
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| 05:28.25 | K|NgGh0sT | God this is getting old fast |
| 05:28.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | I couldn't view the manpage with info if it wasnt installed, though |
| 05:28.41 | rpetre | nope, you need the binary |
| 05:28.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | K|NgGh0sT, don't you still have your previous kernel installed? Select that one on boot |
| 05:29.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | K|NgGh0sT, then install a diffferent one |
| 05:29.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:29.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lameometer K|NgGh0sT |
| 05:29.10 | dpkg | 'K|NgGh0sT' is 52.000% lame, cutmeownthroat |
| 05:29.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | what? only 52%? doh |
| 05:29.21 | K|NgGh0sT | I did and it wouldn't get past the loading image |
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| 05:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | time for bed |
| 05:30.06 | rpetre | CutMeOwnThroat: good thing dpkg doesn't have the pirates of carribbean module |
| 05:30.17 | rpetre | north american lazers |
| 05:30.26 | rpetre | it's 8:30 AM here already |
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| 05:31.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, so you're in... sweden? poland? |
| 05:31.56 | rpetre | romania |
| 05:32.08 | K|NgGh0sT | So what do I do if I can't go back to my old kernel? |
| 05:32.12 | rpetre | sw and pl are on CEST |
| 05:32.20 | rpetre | 7:30 there |
| 05:32.45 | rpetre | K|NgGh0sT: try installing the one from sid, it presumably fixes that |
| 05:32.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah.. de is in that timezone - was trying to "go east" from there |
| 05:32.58 | rpetre | sweden? |
| 05:33.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, apt-get install texinfo-doc-nonfree , methinks was what I was looking for (?) trying right now |
| 05:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | werll.. |
| 05:33.20 | rpetre | texinfo? |
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| 05:33.22 | K|NgGh0sT | I can't dist-upgrade or even install a package untill I get around the : dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem |
| 05:33.38 | rpetre | that's TeX stuff, iirc |
| 05:33.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, apt-cache show info |grep Suggest |
| 05:34.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | rpetre, jain - that's the way info pages are created, methinks |
| 05:34.09 | rpetre | if you need to do "info ls" or whatever, you need the "info" package |
| 05:34.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !texinfo |
| 05:34.21 | dpkg | methinks texinfo is a GNU supported document format. they are read with the "info" program, or better yet get pinfo! |
| 05:34.22 | rpetre | oh |
| 05:34.35 | rpetre | ok, i'm still sleeping |
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| 05:35.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, nite |
| 05:35.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | that was my punchline |
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| 05:37.06 | K|NgGh0sT | Anyone? |
| 05:37.42 | rpetre | K|NgGh0sT: well, did you run dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 05:38.02 | K|NgGh0sT | everytime I do that It attempts to install the new kernel then freezes |
| 05:38.08 | rpetre | we were all waiting for that shoe to drop |
| 05:38.17 | rpetre | use a livecd and chroot |
| 05:38.55 | K|NgGh0sT | damn guess I gotta download one then |
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| 05:40.06 | micols | how do i reload my partition table without rebooting, its on the system disk?, normally its automagically reloaded and the new partition found in dmesg |
| 05:40.32 | micols | need to find /dev/sdc5 |
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| 05:42.20 | rpetre | micols: you can't do it on the system disk |
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| 05:42.42 | rpetre | usually it's blockdev --rereadpt /dev/sdc |
| 05:43.03 | rpetre | but if some partition on it is in use it doesn't work |
| 05:43.18 | rpetre | or at least that's what i remember |
| 05:43.48 | micols | ah then it makes sense, bad.. but i guess lvm is the answer :) |
| 05:43.51 | rpetre | K|NgGh0sT: and you don't have the old kernel anymore in grub? |
| 05:44.02 | micols | if i had just thought of that when i did set it up :) |
| 05:44.44 | rpetre | heh |
| 05:44.46 | micols | actually i always thought of it but i didnt like the extra fuzz of setting up lvm |
| 05:45.10 | rpetre | i'm not sure if it's true the thing about being in use |
| 05:45.31 | micols | thats what i thought was the reason, so if you think it too may may be true :) |
| 05:45.33 | rpetre | but i never managed to reread the partition table on the system disk |
| 05:45.58 | micols | yeah, i recall something similar.. all other disks reload but not system disk |
| 05:45.59 | rpetre | too costly to reboot? |
| 05:46.34 | micols | yeah its a server and i host a site+mysql on it. |
| 05:47.14 | rpetre | try a loop device or something if you need that partition NOW |
| 05:47.33 | micols | it was back in the days, i got this huge 72GB scsi disk, and i couldnt find anything to use more than 30-40GB for :) |
| 05:47.40 | micols | so i unallocated the rest :) |
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| 05:49.42 | rpetre | oh |
| 05:49.57 | rpetre | that situation just cries for lvm |
| 05:49.57 | micols | my dpt_i2o driver behaves strangely, it keeps resetting the bus. its 2.6.25.10 kernel 250hz |
| 05:50.14 | micols | but only happens under load on the same server. |
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| 05:50.59 | micols | xfs even crashed and it kicked /tmp |
| 05:51.43 | micols | then i changed the disk and it still complains if its under high load from nfs shares it seems. seems only to happen with lots of nfs shares in use |
| 05:51.59 | micols | so might be a broken driver |
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| 05:52.13 | micols | or controller, or xfs :) |
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| 05:53.52 | micols | rpetre: http://rafb.net/p/lZGFGe16.html thats a lot of bus resets.. :) |
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| 05:55.44 | K|NgGh0sT | Sorry, back |
| 05:55.52 | K|NgGh0sT | So whats the best live disk to use then? |
| 05:55.53 | micols | http://rafb.net/p/BdOcXl82.html , it couldnt be bad cabling could it? only happens on high load |
| 05:56.15 | micols | but the cables are compaq high grade cables for servers. 3.7m lvd scsi |
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| 05:56.55 | boolias | thank you all for your help |
| 05:56.58 | boolias | bye |
| 05:57.48 | micols | it seems to be ok, it doesnt kick the disk until i start using my nfs shares .. funny |
| 05:57.54 | micols | but it keeps reseting the bus. |
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| 05:59.05 | K|NgGh0sT | This sucks, I wish there was an easy fix for this |
| 05:59.31 | micols | live disk as in rescue disk? |
| 05:59.49 | micols | i got a real nice one without fancy guy, but zsh's in screen etc :) |
| 06:00.00 | micols | and xfs utils by default |
| 06:00.15 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm not sure what I should be using to get around dpkg --configure lockup |
| 06:00.41 | micols | never heard of that command, does it worK? |
| 06:01.16 | micols | normally its dpkg-reconfigure |
| 06:01.47 | K|NgGh0sT | dpkg --configure -a I mean |
| 06:01.48 | dpkg | K|NgGh0sT: i haven't a clue |
| 06:01.53 | micols | dpkg --configure package ... | -a | --pending |
| 06:01.53 | dpkg | i don't know, micols |
| 06:02.28 | K|NgGh0sT | wonder if there is a way to reinstall without losing my LVM |
| 06:02.31 | micols | just do dpkg --configure -a |
| 06:02.33 | wols | !rescue |
| 06:02.34 | dpkg | well, rescue is at http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FAQ ("Can I use d-i as a rescue system?") See also <rescue mode>. |
| 06:03.46 | K|NgGh0sT | micols, I do that and my system freezes |
| 06:04.43 | micols | sounds either like lots of packages or unstable system i never made my system freeze by using dpkg or apt |
| 06:04.58 | micols | thereby not said it isnt possible :) |
| 06:05.57 | K|NgGh0sT | It freezes when installing the new Kernel |
| 06:06.41 | wols | unpack the deb for your kernel image and your initrd |
| 06:07.01 | wols | then copy both to /boot and eithre edit menu.lst appropriately or run update-grub |
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| 06:09.45 | K|NgGh0sT | Where can I get the deb? |
| 06:10.17 | wols | you already have it |
| 06:10.36 | K|NgGh0sT | where are they saved to? |
| 06:10.44 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:12.09 | K|NgGh0sT | It's not there |
| 06:12.23 | wols | what did you do before? |
| 06:12.35 | wols | more and exact details. what commands did you run? |
| 06:13.39 | K|NgGh0sT | apt-get dist-upgrade lead to a system freeze |
| 06:13.44 | K|NgGh0sT | then I rebooted tried again |
| 06:13.48 | K|NgGh0sT | Now I'm stuck here |
| 06:14.23 | wols | then how do you know it's the kernel which froze you? |
| 06:14.30 | wols | *your box |
| 06:14.59 | wols | ie what exactly makes your system freeze? what is the last text? |
| 06:15.34 | K|NgGh0sT | I can't rememeber but I can paste the log from dpkg |
| 06:15.51 | wols | please do |
| 06:16.21 | K|NgGh0sT | 2008-08-08 11:03:16 startup packages configure 2008-08-08 11:03:16 configure linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 2.6.26-1 2.6.26-1 2008-08-08 11:03:16 status half-configured linux-image-2.6.26-1-486 2.6.26-1 |
| 06:16.43 | K|NgGh0sT | lemme run it again and I'll write down the last |
| 06:16.46 | K|NgGh0sT | brb |
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| 06:22.08 | K|NgGh0sT | Now its not that package as I managed to purge it, but its tzdata |
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| 06:25.32 | K|NgGh0sT | sorry anything you said after my last message I missed |
| 06:26.54 | K|NgGh0sT | so please repeat |
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| 06:28.37 | miksuh | K|NgGh0sT: no one sayd anything :) |
| 06:28.52 | K|NgGh0sT | damn |
| 06:28.57 | K|NgGh0sT | I need this filled :( |
| 06:29.01 | K|NgGh0sT | er fixxed |
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| 06:31.06 | K|NgGh0sT | wols, any ideas? |
| 06:32.08 | wols | K|NgGh0sT: sid? |
| 06:32.25 | K|NgGh0sT | yeah, only way I could get nvidia drivers to work |
| 06:32.40 | wols | K|NgGh0sT: wrong |
| 06:32.44 | wols | don't run sid |
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| 06:33.09 | K|NgGh0sT | well at the time it was, now I can't go back |
| 06:34.19 | wols | I guess not |
| 06:34.38 | wols | what happens if you dpkg-reconfigure tzdata? |
| 06:35.07 | K|NgGh0sT | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: tzdata is broken or not fully installed |
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| 06:39.45 | wols | full error message. or possible reinstall the package |
| 06:40.44 | K|NgGh0sT | that is the full error message |
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| 06:43.58 | wols | reinstall it |
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| 06:44.23 | K|NgGh0sT | how can I do that if I don't have access to apt |
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| 06:52.23 | wols | K|NgGh0sT: why not? |
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| 06:54.00 | K|NgGh0sT | because I get the dpkg --configure -a warning |
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| 06:55.26 | wols | dpkg can still work |
| 06:55.26 | dpkg | wols: are you using Windows? |
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| 06:55.36 | wols | dpkg: shut up |
| 06:55.37 | dpkg | No, I won't, and you can't make me. :P |
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| 07:19.46 | obnauticus | IS anyone here really good with hcid/bluetooth on debian |
| 07:19.55 | obnauticus | I don't have a GUI so it may be trivial |
| 07:20.27 | obnauticus | I have NO idea where the bluetooth stack is getting the pin number, beucase no matter what I do to the configuration I fail to pair with my phone via bluetooth :\ |
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| 07:39.36 | debCarlos | Hi :D |
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| 07:40.42 | jeffomatic | have an APT/dpkg question, 2 actually |
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| 07:41.49 | jeffomatic | from the command line, say you just got a bunch of sercurity updates and later you wish to review whats in the logs for what got installed and why....which logs would a guy look in? |
| 07:42.05 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:42.14 | wols | as for why: security.debian.org |
| 07:43.15 | jeffomatic | ok tks will check it out. 2nd Q: is there a way to make a custom debian netinst disk with addle repos in it? |
| 07:43.25 | wols | !custom cd |
| 07:43.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, custom cd is So you want to build a debian installer with a custom kernel image eh? Well then, read http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify/CustomKernel | Also see http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD | http://wiki.debian.net/index.cgi?CustomDebian | #debian-custom on irc.oftc.net http://lists.debian.org/debian-custom/ |
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| 07:45.17 | jeffomatic | not really custom kernel necessarily, just would like to master a distro for my own use with less general purpose stuff and more dev stuff on it |
| 07:45.57 | wols | jeffomatic: read the full factoid |
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| 07:46.24 | jeffomatic | wols: factoid? |
| 07:46.46 | wols | what dpkg just told you |
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| 07:49.30 | jeffomatic | tks, fact-mining the site now. have a good one, got a few puzzles to sort out... |
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| 07:51.47 | unclepj | default lenny has pdnsd config in /usr/share/... somewhere. etch has it in /etc/pdnsd.conf. Is it a bug in lenny? Any clues on policy for this? |
| 07:52.09 | wols | it sounds like a bug. policy is config files in /etc |
| 07:52.18 | wols | checked bts? |
| 07:52.33 | unclepj | checked bugs.debian.org and see nothing obvious. |
| 07:52.40 | unclepj | So I'll file a bug report. |
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| 07:55.40 | mxmx | hi |
| 07:55.47 | mxmx | i jsut got this message from my debian server |
| 07:55.49 | mxmx | the service 'httpd' on server xxxxxxxxxxx is currently down |
| 07:55.57 | mxmx | how can i fix that? |
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| 07:57.45 | debCarlos | mxmx: mmm, apache2ctl start as root |
| 07:57.47 | debCarlos | ? |
| 07:57.57 | mxmx | ok |
| 07:57.59 | mxmx | let me try |
| 07:58.05 | simonrvn | /etc/init.d/apache2 start |
| 07:58.08 | mxmx | me commnad not found |
| 07:58.18 | mxmx | nope |
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| 07:58.29 | mxmx | how do i search for apache2? |
| 07:58.54 | BramuS | what if you do /etc/init.d/httpd start |
| 07:59.11 | wols | BramuS: that does not exist |
| 07:59.13 | mxmx | that worked |
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| 07:59.18 | wols | mxmx: search for what exactly? |
| 07:59.19 | mxmx | wols it worked |
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| 07:59.34 | wols | mxmx: there is no /etc/init.d/httpd in debian |
| 07:59.46 | mxmx | i am using debian etch |
| 07:59.46 | wols | mxmx: so what are you running? |
| 07:59.49 | BramuS | yes there is, on my directadmin box there is httpd |
| 07:59.55 | BramuS | debian 4.0 etch |
| 07:59.59 | mxmx | yup direct admin |
| 08:00.12 | mxmx | grr |
| 08:00.18 | mxmx | website still down though |
| 08:00.20 | BramuS | mxmx you could also restart or check services @ directadmin Admin panel |
| 08:00.26 | wols | BramuS: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=%2Fetc%2Finit.d%2Fhttpd&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
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| 08:00.30 | mxmx | BramuS i get errors |
| 08:00.36 | mxmx | when doing it trhough directadmin |
| 08:00.39 | BramuS | wols, with directadmin |
| 08:00.45 | BramuS | not debian packages |
| 08:00.47 | wols | directadmin is not debian |
| 08:00.55 | BramuS | nvm |
| 08:01.01 | BramuS | mxmx what errors |
| 08:01.10 | mxmx | jsut says error restarting srvice |
| 08:01.12 | mxmx | no more info |
| 08:01.18 | BramuS | are all services up? |
| 08:01.26 | mxmx | An error has occurred |
| 08:01.37 | BramuS | check your logs of directadmin |
| 08:01.42 | BramuS | error logs for example |
| 08:01.47 | mxmx | in directadmin? yes |
| 08:01.48 | BramuS | i thought they were in /var/log/directadmin |
| 08:01.59 | mxmx | er |
| 08:02.02 | mxmx | actaully no |
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| 08:02.10 | mxmx | httpdProcess is stopped |
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| 08:02.24 | BramuS | ssh into the box as root |
| 08:02.29 | BramuS | go to /var/log/directadmin |
| 08:02.35 | BramuS | there are the directadmin logs stores |
| 08:02.37 | BramuS | stored* |
| 08:02.54 | mxmx | yeah looking |
| 08:03.00 | BramuS | check the error.log |
| 08:03.04 | BramuS | nano error.log |
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| 08:03.13 | BramuS | or vi or what ever you use |
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| 08:03.42 | mxmx | [Sat Aug 09 02:00:13 2008] [warn] RSA server certificate CommonName (CN) `localhost' does NOT match server name!? |
| 08:03.46 | mxmx | wth |
| 08:04.01 | BramuS | www.directadmin.com/forums/ |
| 08:04.13 | mxmx | [Sat Aug 09 02:00:13 2008] [notice] suEXEC mechanism enabled (wrapper: /usr/sbin/suexec) |
| 08:04.23 | mxmx | worng link |
| 08:04.37 | BramuS | forum* |
| 08:04.38 | BramuS | sorry |
| 08:04.38 | mxmx | http://www.directadmin.com/forum |
| 08:04.40 | BramuS | no s |
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| 08:04.53 | BramuS | not really awake yet i notice |
| 08:05.09 | mxmx | all of the susdden it happened :( |
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| 08:05.18 | BramuS | :( |
| 08:06.26 | BramuS | looks like an SSL problem |
| 08:06.30 | BramuS | with one of you certificates |
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| 08:07.19 | mxmx | so |
| 08:07.24 | mxmx | i should contact my host? |
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| 08:08.28 | BramuS | yeah should try that |
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| 08:10.12 | becker_11 | hello I am mid upgrade etch to lenny using apt-get and I need to stop GDM ... how do I do that pls? |
| 08:11.26 | cahoot | !available |
| 08:11.26 | dpkg | run "dselect update" to restore /var/lib/dpkg/available, or if your 'available' file is corrupt, remove it first then see above. Alternatively: "apt-cache dumpavail > /var/lib/dpkg/available && dpkg --update-avail /var/lib/dpkg/available" |
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| 08:13.03 | becker_11 | ok just searching the net at the same time I can use () |
| 08:13.26 | becker_11 | ok just searching the net at the same time I can use (gdm stop) to stop gnome but do I also need to stop x as well?? |
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| 08:14.08 | becker_11 | I think the file that required it was glibc |
| 08:14.48 | mxmx | bah |
| 08:14.54 | mxmx | this is gonna take days |
| 08:15.04 | mxmx | my stupid host is kinda slow |
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| 08:15.22 | mxmx | o hate losing money :/ |
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| 08:18.57 | wols | !tell becker_11 about nodm |
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| 08:20.24 | mxmx | aaaaah back |
| 08:20.30 | mxmx | i power-cycled the server |
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| 08:21.21 | becker_11 | wols: I'm suprised all this is required just for an install |
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| 08:23.25 | becker_11 | once I've removed the packages which apt command do I run to restart the upgrade? I've already downloaded the packages will apt-get dist-upgrade pick up from where it stopped? |
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| 08:25.12 | Supaplex | becker_11: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade - yes, it will only download packages that are not stored locally. |
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| 08:25.37 | becker_11 | thanks Supaplex |
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| 08:28.27 | alraune | my netinstaller is runnuing, no quests at this time... |
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| 08:30.00 | becker_11 | wols: can you send me that nodm info again pls I closed the window before I'd saved it :( |
| 08:31.25 | Supaplex | 02:21 < Supaplex> becker_11: aptitude update ; aptitude upgrade - yes, it will only download packages that are not stored locally. |
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| 08:31.59 | Supaplex | !tell becker_11 -about nodm |
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| 08:32.04 | Supaplex | that one? |
| 08:32.42 | unclepj | I want to send ncurses data to tty1. (bwm-ng > tty1). Then logout of the machine entirely. So the screen shows bwm-ng updates and no one is logged in. (nice for a gateway box). nohup doesn't work with ttys. suggestions? |
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| 08:33.11 | becker_11 | Supaplex: thats it thanks |
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| 08:34.06 | becker_11 | heading off to give it a shot.... |
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| 08:39.24 | Zoup | i do get SIGSEGV when " python -c 'import crypt ; crypt.crypt ("123" , "12")' " |
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| 08:39.37 | Zoup | sorry |
| 08:39.47 | Zoup | didnt want to type twice :) |
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| 08:41.46 | unclepj | suspect the problem is that bwm-ng ncurses is interactive, therefore requires a login to exist. I guess I need to work around that. |
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| 08:43.46 | mxmx | find |
| 08:43.46 | mxmx | find? |
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| 08:43.46 | mxmx | ? find |
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| 08:54.12 | perriman | I need your help |
| 08:54.22 | wols | and I need a pony |
| 08:54.35 | perriman | I'm trying to build a .deb package |
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| 08:55.02 | perriman | all works fine but when I look the content of the .deb. It is empty!! |
| 08:55.13 | perriman | only he new, authors etc files |
| 08:55.21 | perriman | but not the project files... |
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| 08:55.32 | wols | !mg |
| 08:55.32 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 08:56.04 | mrAZ | i am compiling 2.6.26 on debian with rt patch. do i need to enable ACPI ? |
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| 09:00.53 | mxmx | hm |
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| 09:01.00 | mxmx | how do I "rebuild"? |
| 09:01.40 | wols | rebuild what? |
| 09:02.24 | mxmx | sigh |
| 09:02.27 | perriman | dpkg, I have read the mg 100 times, I can not find the problem... |
| 09:02.27 | dpkg | perriman: I give up, what is it? |
| 09:02.41 | perriman | yes dpkg, thanks |
| 09:02.42 | mxmx | brb |
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| 09:05.20 | drizzd | apt-cache showpkg wine does not show me any old versions from the stable releases, even though I have etch in sources.list and packages.debian.org shows an old wine version in etch. What am I doing wrong? |
| 09:06.03 | drizzd | all I see is version 1.0.0-1 from lenny and sid |
| 09:06.16 | kanzure | Hm. I need a pragmatic approach to keeping track of people. |
| 09:06.23 | kanzure | (contacts, mainly) |
| 09:06.28 | kanzure | Any suggestions? |
| 09:06.36 | drizzd | an address book |
| 09:06.54 | kanzure | address books are always way too static |
| 09:07.08 | kanzure | i.e., a certain number of fields and a certain length and I can't add in new content as I come across it per individual |
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| 09:08.00 | mxmx | ffmpeg=php |
| 09:08.03 | mxmx | thas waht i need to rebuild |
| 09:08.21 | mxmx | *ffmepg-php |
| 09:08.36 | drizzd | is it possible to retrieve old versions of debian packages not in the archive any more? |
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| 09:11.16 | zack23 | the mysql 5.1 version for etch is old - should I just compile from source? |
| 09:11.24 | xingu | kanzure: mysql ports exist for nearly everything, windows ce included. |
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| 09:12.43 | zack23 | Right now is 5.0.67 yet in etch it's 5.0.32 |
| 09:13.06 | mxmx | anyone? |
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| 09:14.44 | wols | zack23: no |
| 09:14.58 | zack23 | wols: then what should I do? There are features I need... |
| 09:15.10 | wols | !tell zack23 about backports |
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| 09:15.39 | perriman | !mg |
| 09:15.39 | dpkg | A simple packaging walkthrough can be found by (as root) "apt-get install maint-guide" and then (as user) www-browser /usr/share/doc/maint-guide/maint-guide.en.html/index.html" (or http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ online). Also ask me about <nmg>. 'Mg' is also the chemical symbol for magnesium, or may mean Madagascar. |
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| 09:16.58 | fantomas | Hi all. How to force download a package from repository with apt-get? |
| 09:17.19 | fantomas | It is not downloaded, apt-get says it is already up to date |
| 09:17.29 | fantomas | But I need it for extracting |
| 09:17.34 | wols | fantomas: reinstall it |
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| 09:17.44 | wols | or go to packages.debian.org and download it there in a browser |
| 09:17.45 | fantomas | wols: I don't want to reinstall it |
| 09:17.52 | fantomas | okay.. |
| 09:18.01 | fantomas | damn, its pretty stupid, to say truth |
| 09:18.15 | wols | what is? you not finding pdo? *g* |
| 09:18.27 | fantomas | wols: what? |
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| 09:18.45 | fantomas | wols the thing I can't GET a packet from repository - this is stupid to my mind |
| 09:18.48 | zack23 | wols: thank you - it is a newer version. so mixing with backports is okay then? |
| 09:18.55 | niru | how to label a mounted filesystem |
| 09:19.01 | niru | of my choice |
| 09:19.41 | wols | zack23: backports are made for etch. no security updates tho |
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| 09:21.13 | zack23 | wols: it wants to install "libdbd-mysql-perl libdbi-perl" as well though CPAN has already taken care of this. Is there a way I can get it to skip these debs? |
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| 09:21.29 | wols | !cpan |
| 09:21.29 | dpkg | [cpan] the Comprehensive Perl Archive Network at http://www.perl.com/CPAN/, or perl -MCPAN -eshell, or it's probably better to use dh-make-perl --cpan |
| 09:21.47 | cvn | hi is there a way i can set up http proxy on my server? |
| 09:21.47 | wols | see dh-make-perl there? that's how you install CPAN modules in debian |
| 09:22.00 | wols | as a quick+dirty fix you could use equivs I guess |
| 09:23.00 | niru | wols, any idea |
| 09:23.12 | niru | wols, how can i change my label of the filesystem on the desktop |
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| 09:24.06 | wols | cvn: sure. installs quid or privoxy or any other http proxy |
| 09:24.15 | cvn | squid you mean? |
| 09:24.19 | wols | niru: ext2 or ext3 filesystem? |
| 09:24.27 | wols | yes, squid |
| 09:24.29 | cvn | thanks |
| 09:24.41 | niru | wols, ext3 |
| 09:24.56 | niru | wols, I want to see the change on the desktop |
| 09:25.01 | niru | wols, with the /mnt |
| 09:25.18 | wols | e2label changes labels for those |
| 09:25.28 | wols | or do you talk about mountpoints? |
| 09:25.45 | niru | wols, I used e2label /dev/sda2 /mnt/disk\(sda2\)/ |
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| 09:25.59 | niru | wols, but it is nether changing in /mnt nor on the desktop |
| 09:26.06 | niru | wols, yes mountpoints |
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| 09:26.34 | wols | rename the mountpoint, edit your /etc/fstab accordingly |
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| 09:27.01 | niru | wols, whats the syntax |
| 09:28.25 | wols | the syntax starts with "man", as always |
| 09:28.34 | niru | wols, what do you mean by rename the mount point |
| 09:29.55 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:30.47 | niru | wols, so i need to rename it first and give the same in fstab |
| 09:30.55 | niru | wols, but will it show that on the desktop |
| 09:31.15 | niru | wols, i think that will be only shown in mnt |
| 09:31.53 | pflanze | Does anyone know why "ulimit -p 10" or similar, in bash (i.e. the pipe size) does not work anymore? |
| 09:32.05 | pflanze | Does the kernel not offer that functionality anymore? |
| 09:32.11 | pflanze | Is there an alternatie? |
| 09:32.16 | pflanze | alternative |
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| 09:35.45 | pflanze | (well maybe it actually was never implemented on *linux*) |
| 09:36.47 | S[h]O[r]T | how cani undo pvremove |
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| 09:37.59 | pflanze | S[h]O[r]T: well, do you also want to undo an lvremove ? |
| 09:38.12 | pflanze | i.e. do you have lost data to be recovered? |
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| 09:38.30 | S[h]O[r]T | Maybe u can help me please! :D |
| 09:38.36 | S[h]O[r]T | i wanted to remove /dev/sdb1 from my lvm |
| 09:38.52 | S[h]O[r]T | i booted to gentoo and after finally getting lvm2 emerged i ran pvremove /dev/sdb1 |
| 09:39.06 | S[h]O[r]T | it said it needed force, i made sure the LVM wasnt active and forced it |
| 09:39.13 | S[h]O[r]T | then i got a kernel panic when booting back up |
| 09:39.28 | S[h]O[r]T | so im trying to either put it back the way it was or fix it so I can take /dev/sdb1 out |
| 09:39.43 | S[h]O[r]T | I dont care about the data on it. But i care about the data on /dev/sda |
| 09:39.45 | debCarlos | !flood |
| 09:39.46 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, ask me about <paste> |
| 09:39.56 | debCarlos | !enter |
| 09:39.56 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
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| 09:40.19 | debCarlos | It was enter, sorry, in #ubuntu when you say !flood he advices about the enter key too. |
| 09:40.49 | S[h]O[r]T | ill take note |
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| 09:41.24 | B_Raven | Evening. Fried my old computer, so looking into getting a new one, but going to have to use a 32-bit version. Just wondering what the SMP and ram limitations are on i486 and i686 versions of debian. Anyone know? |
| 09:41.41 | Caelum | B_Raven: why do you have to use the 32bit version? |
| 09:41.53 | Caelum | B_Raven: the 64bit version runs all the 32bit stuff |
| 09:42.01 | S[h]O[r]T | um |
| 09:42.02 | S[h]O[r]T | wow |
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| 09:42.10 | S[h]O[r]T | i thought iwas in gentoo haha |
| 09:42.14 | Caelum | heh |
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| 09:42.33 | B_Raven | Sorry, should be clearer, need to use a 32-bit version of debian. Need access to quite a bit of proprietory 32-bit apps, and can't be arsed setting up a 32-bit system inside of a 64-bit system. |
| 09:42.33 | pflanze | S[h]O[r]T: well, I'm not a specialist in lvm, but I know two things: (a) there are backups of the lvm settings in /etc/lvm* or somewhere, might be useful to look into that; (b) vgextend would be the way to add a physical volume, but whether just adding that pv back would solve it, I don't know. |
| 09:42.56 | pflanze | S[h]O[r]T: also, check out the lvm howto (google for it). |
| 09:43.01 | S[h]O[r]T | ok |
| 09:43.03 | cvn | ok i've set up Squid Proxy Server, but when i use the http proxy on IE, it says Access Denied |
| 09:43.04 | S[h]O[r]T | thanks |
| 09:43.16 | Caelum | B_Raven: there's nothing to arse, it's just apt-get install ia32-libs and all your 32bit apps work |
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| 09:44.01 | B_Raven | Caelum, From what I've read that only applies to GNOME and generic X apps, not too friendly with KDE based apps. |
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| 09:44.35 | defrysk | has i686 installed on his 64 bit pc |
| 09:44.42 | defrysk | no probs then |
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| 09:44.57 | DawnLight | ls |
| 09:45.07 | mxmx | why do people ahve to be so arrogant when asking a simple question? |
| 09:45.08 | DawnLight | this isn't a shell? sorry |
| 09:45.16 | B_Raven | defrysk, i686 is SMP enable and supports 4GB of ram? |
| 09:45.27 | B_Raven | *enabled |
| 09:45.45 | defrysk | its is smp enable and support up to 4 gb's of ram iirc |
| 09:45.54 | defrysk | smp enable for sure |
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| 09:46.33 | B_Raven | Though Caelum does have a point, for now ia32-libs should work for me. Provided it works well with WINE and Cedega. |
| 09:46.47 | S[h]O[r]T | pflanze, i think the problem is its still trying to load /dev/sdb into the volume group |
| 09:47.12 | B_Raven | Just a little worried about running into future compatibility issues. |
| 09:47.21 | Caelum | B_Raven: I'm running 32bit wine and crossover on amd64 dist |
| 09:47.44 | pflanze | S[h]O[r]T: well you do not want to add the whole of sdb, right? just a partition. And I can't help you more there. |
| 09:47.52 | B_Raven | Caelum, no performance hit? |
| 09:47.59 | Caelum | B_Raven: nope |
| 09:48.10 | S[h]O[r]T | well i dont really want to add it back but if thats how i have to get it to boot again.. |
| 09:48.22 | S[h]O[r]T | Id rather find the way to tell it to not try and load /dev/sdb1 anymore |
| 09:48.53 | cvn | i've set up Squid Proxy Server, but when i use the http proxy on IE, it says Access Denied. what shld i do? |
| 09:48.54 | Caelum | B_Raven: only annoyance wrt the 32bit stuff is you have to use nspluginwrapper for flash, and if you want acroread you have to do a bit of a hack to get it installed |
| 09:49.07 | pflanze | S[h]O[r]T: I guess you broke the lvm structure by removing a pv which was in use; so there's probably no way apart from adding it back (and then remove those lv's which are making use of that pv). |
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| 09:49.22 | defrysk | Caelum, and java is a disaster in 64 |
| 09:49.32 | B_Raven | Caelum, guess I'll get the 64-bit version then. Which is better for intel core 2 quad CPUs? |
| 09:49.34 | defrysk | the plugin that is |
| 09:49.54 | B_Raven | Now java and flash could be massive problems :( |
| 09:50.00 | Caelum | defrysk: there's no 64bit java plugin? |
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| 09:50.15 | Caelum | B_Raven: all 64bit stuff is the amd64 dist |
| 09:50.18 | defrysk | and flash with ndiswrapper only works with sid on my box |
| 09:50.35 | wols | ndiswrapper? with flash? |
| 09:50.35 | defrysk | Caelum, nope |
| 09:50.56 | wols | B_Raven: how much RAM do you have? |
| 09:51.23 | B_Raven | wols, planing on a nice even 4GB |
| 09:51.34 | wols | B_Raven: I'd go 32bit then |
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| 09:53.34 | B_Raven | Thanks you three. :) |
| 09:53.56 | Caelum | defrysk: there's a sun-java6-plugin package for amd64 |
| 09:54.12 | defrysk | Caelum, where? |
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| 09:55.06 | Caelum | err no there isn't, just showed up in my package list... |
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| 09:56.20 | defrysk | Caelum, they are working on it for the next version of java |
| 09:56.36 | defrysk | so we'll just have to wait |
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| 09:57.36 | Caelum | defrysk: apparently the blackdown port has a 64bit plugin, but not the official sun version |
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| 09:59.33 | enouf | defrysk: did you mean flash + nspluginwrapper? |
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| 09:59.49 | defrysk | enouf, yes |
| 09:59.56 | defrysk | my mistake |
| 10:00.38 | enouf | defrysk: anyway, how about a nice youtube.sh script so it fires up mplayer instead :-P |
| 10:00.57 | enouf | !tell defrysk -about youtube script |
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| 10:12.36 | cydork | enouf: why not use youtube-dl? |
| 10:12.55 | enouf | cydork: dunno, i like mine? |
| 10:13.05 | cydork | enouf: valid enough.. |
| 10:13.18 | enouf | plus, i need to get the mplayer guy to alter that entry, but he's asleep or fell in or something |
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| 10:14.07 | enouf | i've managed to add even more versatility to it, with amphi 's assistance, which allows it to be used in more ranges of ways |
| 10:15.05 | enouf | it's actually all his improvements, i've just went over the details with him |
| 10:16.03 | enouf | cydork: the other reason is; i don't know python language :-P |
| 10:17.37 | cydork | enouf: do it in perl? :) |
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| 10:17.57 | enouf | cydork: i barely know how to tie my own shoelaces O_o |
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| 10:18.09 | xlotlu | i wish i could bond an eth + wlan + firewire |
| 10:18.41 | Nazcafan | hi I am trying to repair a file system with fsck, but I get a weird error : "Got xxx bytes instead of yyy at 16 384" with xxx way much lower than yyy |
| 10:18.43 | enouf | hands xlotlu a nice wheel of cheese - that should bind you up for a while :-) |
| 10:18.54 | Nazcafan | (it is fat32 partition, by the way) |
| 10:19.05 | PhrkOnLsh | is there any way to send irssi signals (like sendText) from the command line? I'd like to write a script to automatically send text to it, but I can't seem to find any info on it) |
| 10:19.18 | enouf | Nazcafan: you have backups ofcourse |
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| 10:19.33 | Nazcafan | enouf: don't know, it is not my hard drive |
| 10:19.51 | enouf | PhrkOnLsh: you want to send output into a channel? |
| 10:19.55 | PhrkOnLsh | yeah |
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| 10:20.04 | PhrkOnLsh | or no, it's just system command /away |
| 10:20.08 | enouf | PhrkOnLsh: it's usually something like /exec -o command |
| 10:20.21 | PhrkOnLsh | I want to do it from outside of irrsi though |
| 10:20.33 | enouf | be careful, and do NOT practice here ;-) |
| 10:20.44 | enouf | now, you're not making sense |
| 10:20.46 | PhrkOnLsh | my script will ssh into a remote ssh session and try to send that text to irssi |
| 10:20.50 | enouf | to me any way |
| 10:21.06 | enouf | no, that wasn't the premise ;-) |
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| 10:22.16 | PhrkOnLsh | the irssi session is hiding behind screen if that hekos any |
| 10:22.21 | PhrkOnLsh | helps |
| 10:23.49 | Nazcafan | enouf: let us say I saved most of my data, how do I fix my partition, now? |
| 10:24.23 | Caelum | PhrkOnLsh: use POE::Session::Irssi and set it up to listen to a fifo, and write the text to the fifo |
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| 10:24.36 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
| 10:24.44 | PhrkOnLsh | so write an irssi plugin, basically? |
| 10:24.48 | PhrkOnLsh | Caelum: ^ |
| 10:24.49 | Caelum | PhrkOnLsh: but you're better off just writing a bot in the first place if you're doing that sort of stuff... |
| 10:25.05 | Caelum | yeah you kinda have to |
| 10:25.27 | PhrkOnLsh | ok |
| 10:25.29 | Caelum | the bot would be a lot easier to make |
| 10:25.32 | PhrkOnLsh | thanks Caelum |
| 10:25.34 | Caelum | with something like Bot::BasicBot |
| 10:25.49 | PhrkOnLsh | I'll do that tomorrow, cause I'm too tired to fire up vim :) |
| 10:25.56 | Caelum | :) |
| 10:25.58 | Caelum | good night |
| 10:26.09 | enouf | Nazcafan: sounds like you want to check into it further with some recovery tools - what's fdisk -l /dev/name say about it? how about gparted and the like? |
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| 10:26.50 | enouf | Nazcafan: do you have a windows 9x CD handy? and it's scandisk/scandiskw apps on it? |
| 10:27.20 | enouf | Nazcafan: iow, from your error, i can't tell if that's a FS error or a resizing partition style one |
| 10:27.48 | Nazcafan | enouf: no but I may have some old lenny install CD |
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| 10:28.15 | enouf | that doesn't help really - the partition isn't mounted correct? |
| 10:28.44 | enouf | and a little history here might go a long way |
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| 10:29.29 | enouf | erm it's scandskw.exe since it's still the lovely 8.3 limit :-P |
| 10:29.38 | Nazcafan | enouf: wait a sec |
| 10:30.23 | Nazcafan | enouf: it is not mounted |
| 10:30.35 | Nazcafan | a little history ? |
| 10:30.50 | Nazcafan | enouf: according to my flatmate, the hard drive fell to the floor |
| 10:31.00 | enouf | Nazcafan: was it mounted when fsck.vfat was run? |
| 10:31.04 | enouf | haha |
| 10:31.08 | Nazcafan | enouf: it wasn't |
| 10:31.23 | Nazcafan | enouf: it might not have appreciated it, actually |
| 10:31.26 | enouf | any other partitions on it? those are in good shape? |
| 10:31.46 | Nazcafan | enouf: only one partition, it is a big external usb hard drive |
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| 10:32.17 | enouf | recovery tools time - gddrescue/ddrescue, testdisk, etc |
| 10:32.26 | enouf | autopsy and so on |
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| 10:33.03 | N3bunel | saluta |
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| 10:33.09 | Nazcafan | enouf: are those tool included in a standard linux distro or do I need to run a special live CD ? |
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| 10:33.56 | enouf | Nazcafan: some are in debian, some are livecds, etc - gddrescue is in debian |
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| 10:34.19 | unclepj | I want to send ncurses data to tty1. (bwm-ng > tty1). Then logout of the machine entirely. So the screen shows bwm-ng updates and no one is logged in. (nice for a gateway box). nohup doesn't work with ttys. suggestions? |
| 10:35.59 | enouf | erm, nohup works fine with ttys, maybe not in your instance - but try screen |
| 10:36.16 | Nazcafan | gddrescue is for trying to get my data right? It won't fix my disk, will it ? |
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| 10:38.34 | enouf | Nazcafan: correct - though, having a copy, and trying to fix that keeps you from making the original worse ;-) |
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| 10:39.09 | enouf | Nazcafan: you might have a physical defect at this point, can't tell - but if you do, no tools will fix it |
| 10:39.42 | yang | where do you enable logging of fsck into /var/log/fsck ? |
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| 10:46.58 | DawnLight | can anyone try one of the i386/amd64 dvd iso .torrents and tell me if it works? |
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| 10:47.10 | DawnLight | because for me it doesn't in rtorrent |
| 10:47.24 | DawnLight | Tracker: [Failure reason "Requested download is not authorized for use with this tracker."] |
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| 10:48.07 | DawnLight | i'd prefer to download the DVDs via p2p... |
| 10:48.17 | mhymn | DawnLight: same was here, i check 2 or 3 days ago though |
| 10:48.34 | mhymn | checked* |
| 10:48.35 | DawnLight | so... who'se in charge of this? |
| 10:48.42 | DawnLight | website? |
| 10:49.00 | DawnLight | release team? |
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| 10:49.41 | mhymn | i have no clue, but there is a related channel on oftc, i dont remember the name |
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| 10:49.58 | yang | #debian-mirrors ? |
| 10:50.36 | mhymn | #debian-release for example, i dont remember well |
| 10:50.40 | DawnLight | aigght. thanks |
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| 10:59.22 | raijin | hello i was wondering if there is a way to cause synaptic to display packages from experimental as well as the others? |
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| 11:00.18 | valdyn | raijin: man sources.list |
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| 11:00.33 | raijin | valdyn: thanks |
| 11:00.52 | khaije | my other nick is banned from this chan, is there anyway to find out why? |
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| 11:03.03 | raijin | valdyn: they ae listed there but synapic still does not show |
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| 11:03.08 | raijin | synaptic* |
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| 11:07.40 | war9407 | What is the name of that bootdisk that came with Debian Potato that came up with a screen that let you boot from the CD-ROM if the bios did not have an option for it? |
| 11:07.49 | yang | How can i enable sarge fsck logging ? |
| 11:08.22 | war9407 | found it |
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| 11:10.10 | eshat | Hi all |
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| 11:10.59 | abrotman | !bf |
| 11:10.59 | dpkg | well, etch floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for "i386". If you want lenny/testing change "etch" to "lenny". |
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| 11:16.36 | faileas | hmm, is there a non free repo for debian? |
| 11:17.03 | faileas | or more, where is it? |
| 11:17.05 | cahoot | non-free? |
| 11:17.26 | Nazcafan | faileas: there is debian multimedia, but be careful, there have been some package conficts lately |
| 11:17.29 | Kamping_Kaiser | !tell faileas about non-free |
| 11:17.33 | Nazcafan | faileas: you have been warned |
| 11:17.40 | drith | is sourceforge.net working properly |
| 11:17.41 | drith | ? |
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| 11:18.12 | drith | all day invalid project |
| 11:18.18 | faileas | Nazcafan: actually, i needed rar, i know somewhat about multimedia, but figures its not what i needed |
| 11:18.23 | faileas | drith: no |
| 11:18.29 | faileas | Kamping_Kaiser: thanks |
| 11:18.41 | Kamping_Kaiser | drith, how is that a debian problem? |
| 11:18.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | faileas, np |
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| 11:19.13 | drith | it is not but just wanted to know and excuse me |
| 11:19.21 | eshat | hi all |
| 11:19.44 | eshat | does anyone use erc, the emacs irc cleint ? |
| 11:19.47 | eshat | *client |
| 11:19.52 | hoxu | drith, I believe there is a page for SF maintenance related stuff... google it up |
| 11:20.08 | drith | ok |
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| 11:20.21 | hoxu | drith, or nevermind, it seems the answer is definitely no ;) |
| 11:21.10 | drith | btw I love debian |
| 11:21.23 | drith | i'm with etch rigt now |
| 11:21.30 | drith | :) |
| 11:21.43 | Nazcafan | faileas: if you find a debian rar utility, I am interested, please let me know |
| 11:22.06 | valdyn | Nazcafan: whats wrong with debians rar? |
| 11:22.40 | hoxu | drith, irc.slashnet.org #sourceforge |
| 11:23.23 | mhymn | Nazcafan: unrar |
| 11:23.34 | Nazcafan | valdyn: shareware ? |
| 11:23.37 | drith | hoxu 10x |
| 11:23.41 | valdyn | Nazcafan: no? |
| 11:23.52 | valdyn | Nazcafan: whats your problem? rar is in debian in several versions |
| 11:24.06 | faileas | Nazcafan: there's a free unrar, i must have missed it |
| 11:24.18 | mhymn | valdyn: i've seen archives it cant extract |
| 11:24.32 | valdyn | mhymn: what is "it" ? |
| 11:24.44 | yang | How can i enable sarge fsck logging into /var/logfsck ? |
| 11:24.47 | valdyn | mhymn: especially when i said "several versions" |
| 11:24.50 | mhymn | valdyn: that debian rar you mentioned above |
| 11:24.53 | enouf | cydork: ok, check out the URL again now (refresh the page) for youtube script |
| 11:24.53 | abrotman | mhymn: both unrar versions ? |
| 11:24.58 | valdyn | mhymn: theres not just one. |
| 11:25.00 | enouf | cydork: it's been updated |
| 11:25.04 | mhymn | abrotman: i sont remember |
| 11:25.06 | mhymn | dont* |
| 11:25.10 | Nazcafan | valdyn: can you tell me the package name for the FOSS rar softaware on debian, please ? |
| 11:25.19 | abrotman | !tell Nazcafan about unrar |
| 11:25.23 | alraune | Nazcafan: in ubuntu i enyoed unp, which puts together many packers- one command for all files zip tar rar and so on .. debian ? |
| 11:25.28 | abrotman | !tell Nazcafan about unrar-free |
| 11:25.53 | wols | alraune: unp depends on unrar too. |
| 11:26.02 | faileas | (its an optional requirement for torrentflux, which i was trying to install) |
| 11:26.12 | bolt | I have this new ADSL modem which operates in bridge mode (gives me an external IP). The built-in DHCP server is disabled. The modem has a built-in web interface and telnet support which I want to access, because I'm paranoid and don't want it to be set to admin/admin login no matter how secret its IP is. Its mac address is written on the box, and if I don't connect the phone cable, there is nothing but my laptop and the ADSL modem talking. Can I so |
| 11:26.12 | bolt | mehow get its IP from its mac address? |
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| 11:26.26 | alraune | wols: and all the other packers |
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| 11:26.45 | mhymn | valdyn: you mean there is another version beside the one in etch? |
| 11:26.58 | wols | mhymn: etch itself has two versions. one free the other not |
| 11:27.03 | valdyn | mhymn: theres no just one rar tool in etch |
| 11:27.06 | valdyn | mhymn: theres not just one rar tool in etch |
| 11:27.11 | abrotman | mhymn: unrar and unrar-free |
| 11:27.14 | abrotman | or something like that |
| 11:27.19 | valdyn | and p7zip-full |
| 11:27.22 | valdyn | and godknowswhat |
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| 11:29.04 | mhymn | OK, ty all, but i think both of them couldnt extract that archive, dont remember well though |
| 11:29.17 | valdyn | mhymn: non-free has rar |
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| 11:30.42 | bolt | Is there a way to "ping" a mac-address to figure out its IP? |
| 11:31.32 | enouf | war9407: there's also SBM (btmgr.sf.net) which i use for my p150 |
| 11:32.55 | dusty__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:33.11 | enouf | yang: you don;t get a /var/log/fsck/ dir? with checkfs check.log checkroot files? |
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| 11:34.30 | enouf | bolt: arping? |
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| 11:36.52 | yang | enouf: nope i don't have a directory /var/log/fsck even that i have "touch /forcefsck" and rebooted |
| 11:37.39 | enouf | yang: hrm, enable bootlogd, though, i doubt that will help - a bit of info will then be in /var/log/boot |
| 11:37.48 | enouf | !tell yang -about bootlogd |
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| 11:38.29 | enouf | yang: i'm not sure if /fsck dir was added, or when - but upgrade to atleast etch? |
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| 11:39.52 | yang | enouf: thanks for the hint, we are scared to do an upgrade on this server, as the result may be some incompatible settings, we have ported most of the stuff to a lenny box allready |
| 11:39.56 | enouf | yang: you do know about fstab entries as they pertain to fsck order, yes? (just an afterthought) |
| 11:40.07 | enouf | i see |
| 11:40.57 | yang | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:43.04 | enouf | yang: you should then expect to see entries like this; http://pastebin.ca/raw/1096776 |
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| 11:44.12 | yang | that is satisfying, just to know that fsck went through |
| 11:46.25 | UltraNav | I am migrating back from Ubuntu to Debian. How do I get the scaling_governor stuff that used to be in /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq ? Neither /var/log/daemon.log nor /var/log/messages contain anything helpful. Any Ideas ? |
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| 11:47.33 | Caelum | UltraNav: modprobe the right modules |
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| 11:51.33 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 11:51.41 | cr3rzemjest | what is 'score' in aptitude? |
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| 11:52.38 | epsilon | scoring of a package |
| 11:53.11 | epsilon | you can tell which package or version to install |
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| 11:55.25 | cr3rzemjest | like "score is -500" what does it mean? |
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| 11:56.40 | bolt | enouf: arping -I ath0 -b 00:50:8D:F3:95:B0 --> arping: unknown host 00:50:8D:F3:95:B0 |
| 11:56.59 | abrotman | that means the mac isn't in your arp cache IIRC |
| 11:57.31 | enouf | bolt: oh well - try nmap or something |
| 11:57.32 | cr3rzemjest | can u install a package without recommended and suggested packages? what happens then? |
| 11:57.49 | bolt | abrotman: but that's exactly my problem in the first place... I have the mac address of something connected to my network, but not its static ip address. I'm trying to figure out what it's set to. it's an adsl modem. |
| 11:57.54 | enouf | bolt: maybe you want some wireless sniffing tools |
| 11:58.16 | UltraNav | Caelum: that's it -- thanks ! |
| 11:58.21 | epsilon | you only should to istall dependency-Packages, recommend/suggest is optional |
| 11:58.28 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: man aptitude |
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| 12:00.07 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman, i type "/score" and no results |
| 12:00.27 | wols | epsilon: by default recommands are now installed too |
| 12:00.34 | abrotman | cr3rzemjest: i was answering your last question, not the score question |
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| 12:00.51 | cr3rzemjest | ah |
| 12:01.12 | omri | for some reason I don't have /dev/dsp, how can I fix it? |
| 12:01.43 | wols | omri: install aoss |
| 12:01.51 | wols | os simply modprobe the alsa oss emulation |
| 12:02.11 | omri | E: Couldn't find package aoss |
| 12:02.15 | wols | alsa-oss then |
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| 12:02.26 | omri | already installed |
| 12:02.51 | wols | snd-pcm-oss.ko loaded? |
| 12:03.03 | wols | omri: is alsa itself installed? |
| 12:03.05 | wols | and working |
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| 12:03.19 | omri | oh, thanks :) |
| 12:03.25 | omri | snd-pcm-oss was the problem |
| 12:03.55 | omri | what should load it? |
| 12:04.04 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:04.36 | omri | yes I know /etc/modules; I was asking about the automatic way... I'm sure some init script supposed to load it |
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| 12:10.37 | _d4vid | Official Uzbek Ubuntu Support Channel #ubuntu-uz *for download of ubuntu latest stable release use http://ubuntu.uz |
| 12:10.37 | scintilla | va ciao a tutti a sstSERA |
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| 12:22.29 | xand | boo |
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| 12:22.53 | flip | hey all --- is there a specific channel for deb gnu/hurd or crosshurd? |
| 12:23.18 | Kamping_Kaiser | flip, there might be one on OFTC, but i think its mainly on the list |
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| 12:23.49 | flip | ah ok --- crosshurd is looking for a pkg called gcc-3.3-base to download from apt; lenny only has gcc-3.4 in the main archive :F |
| 12:24.02 | flip | but ill check the list etc |
| 12:24.02 | nkuttler | flip: #hurd maybe, if that still exists |
| 12:24.03 | flip | thanks. |
| 12:24.18 | flip | yea i tried everything besides regular #hurd |
| 12:24.19 | flip | duh |
| 12:24.19 | flip | haha |
| 12:24.55 | wols | flip: maybe try sdn or even an etch or sarge package of gcc-3.3 |
| 12:24.56 | Kamping_Kaiser | *grin* |
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| 12:30.39 | rootmos | can avahi interfere with dhcpd? |
| 12:31.06 | abrotman | don't see why noy |
| 12:31.07 | abrotman | not |
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| 12:32.58 | locco | can i get some help with ssh on newly installed debian?.. i can connect on the host using ssh localhost but i cant connect when i do "ssh hostIP" on client |
| 12:33.15 | wols | locco: you behind a router with your sshd? |
| 12:33.22 | locco | ya |
| 12:33.29 | wols | port forward port 22/tcp then |
| 12:33.39 | locco | well thing is im pretty sure i have |
| 12:33.51 | abrotman | locco: still ? |
| 12:34.23 | locco | ya.. |
| 12:34.57 | DawnLight | you again |
| 12:35.02 | locco | lol |
| 12:35.07 | locco | i had to leave yesterday so |
| 12:35.08 | locco | :P |
| 12:35.15 | mhymn | locco: excuse me, but what is the exact command you use? |
| 12:35.40 | locco | to do what |
| 12:35.59 | mhymn | locco: ssh of course |
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| 12:36.21 | locco | ssh localhost when im trying on the host |
| 12:36.28 | locco | on client im using putty |
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| 12:38.23 | linuxguy | whats the command to make dpkg put the instructions to install the nvidia drivers for lenny please.....thanks |
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| 12:39.08 | wols | !nvidia lenny |
| 12:39.08 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
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| 12:39.14 | steven_ | Anoyone know of a good source of information for creating udebs ? |
| 12:39.40 | mhymn | locco: just wondering whether or not you forgot to mention the user, i made the mistake myself many times |
| 12:39.41 | locco | mhymn, so i guess "ssh localhost" is the exact command lol |
| 12:40.15 | locco | no because i can connect when i try on 192.168.0.x |
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| 12:41.07 | mhymn | that doesnt make sense |
| 12:41.32 | mhymn | should use 'ssh user@host' for example |
| 12:41.40 | mhymn | afaik! |
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| 12:42.07 | locco | but it's not the command that is the issue here.. |
| 12:42.31 | mhymn | i see |
| 12:42.35 | wols | nkuttler: user@ is optional |
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| 12:45.53 | locco | so does anyone know what the problem might be? |
| 12:46.17 | rootmos | because i have touble using dhcp with both ubuntu and xp to a debian sever running both dhcpd and avahi i have to macs as well and the work i have tried both wireless and wired, i can not think of anything else, |
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| 12:52.49 | DawnLight | locco: what is the problem again? |
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| 12:54.59 | locco | i cant connect to my ssh host |
| 12:55.08 | AcTiVaTe | And you can ping it? |
| 12:55.15 | AcTiVaTe | Or even telnet to port 22 of the machine? |
| 12:55.31 | AcTiVaTe | nmap might tell more too |
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| 12:56.13 | steven_ | hmm any idea if i can use a 64bit ld to read a 32 bit binary ? |
| 12:56.28 | locco | well i can nmap 192.168.0.x |
| 12:56.44 | locco | and ssh |
| 12:56.50 | locco | but i cant do it outside the lan |
| 12:57.08 | AcTiVaTe | then the port is not forwarded |
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| 12:57.14 | AcTiVaTe | Run nmap from a machine outside the lan |
| 12:57.20 | AcTiVaTe | Or go to a website that has a port scanner |
| 12:57.28 | yang | Is anyone able to watch live video stream from the olympics with some software ? I tried several websites, they complain about IE 6/7 or Windows media player required. |
| 12:57.48 | zamuroff | yang: tried justin.tv? |
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| 12:58.15 | zamuroff | steven_: Theoreticly, it's possible... If you've got the right libs. |
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| 12:58.51 | locco | says its not responding to port 22 when i scan it |
| 12:58.52 | zamuroff | theoretically, I meant... Where are all the Grammar Nazis when required? |
| 12:58.53 | ness | hi, how can I install the epstopdf package? Couldn't find it using apt-cache search⦠|
| 12:59.19 | zamuroff | !epstopdf |
| 12:59.56 | wols | yang: from what I remember MS has the exclusive rights |
| 12:59.58 | ness | zamuroff: ? |
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| 13:00.43 | zamuroff | ness: I'm googling... Looks like there's no such packages on debian package list. |
| 13:00.52 | abrotman | there is a pstopdf |
| 13:01.01 | ness | zamuroff: hm, yes |
| 13:01.14 | locco | AcTiVaTe, do i need to do anything else except logging in to my router and make sure it's forwarded? cause almost positive that it is |
| 13:01.23 | zamuroff | Or, you can pay attention to abrotman... |
| 13:01.24 | ness | I installed the perl script directly from ctan to my local bin directory now |
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| 13:02.05 | yang | wols: MS as microsoft? |
| 13:02.14 | evocallaghan | Hi |
| 13:02.23 | AcTiVaTe | locco: if you go to an online port scanner and port 22 is responding on your WAN address all is peachy I'd say |
| 13:02.40 | evocallaghan | Has anyone got a vaild source.list for australia ? |
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| 13:02.59 | evocallaghan | That they can stick on rafb for me please.. |
| 13:03.21 | rbd | hey guys. I deleted a number of directories from my /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages dir by accident. is there a way to have debian examine my packages and reinstall those with missing files automatically, or do I have to determine which files I should reinstall and manually do apt-get --reinstall install bla ? |
| 13:03.33 | locco | AcTiVaTe, I did, and it says 22 isnt responding. But i dont know what else to do |
| 13:04.48 | AcTiVaTe | locco: Doublecheck the router and make sure that 22 TCP is forwarded to the machine running SSHD |
| 13:05.13 | abrotman | evocallaghan: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 13:06.29 | evocallaghan | abrotman:Ah yes, very good thanks! |
| 13:06.34 | locco | AcTiVaTe, "ssh192.168.0.121Both 22 / 22always" the always means it's always enabled |
| 13:06.41 | locco | sec lemme try to change both to tcp only |
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| 13:06.52 | abrotman | evocallaghan: /msg dpkg mirrors .. also |
| 13:06.52 | evocallaghan | I have 4.0r4 is that 'etch' then ? |
| 13:07.19 | evocallaghan | abrotman:That's ok I reads the docs thanks ;) |
| 13:07.27 | locco | nop, no diff.. |
| 13:07.50 | abrotman | evocallaghan: yes, that's etch |
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| 13:09.09 | evocallaghan | abrotman:Thanks for the help ;) |
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| 13:13.39 | wols | yang: afaik yes. MS can pay a lot more money for this than most everyone else |
| 13:14.04 | wols | yang: it's for show-casing silverlight |
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| 13:14.40 | nse | Iceweasel's defalt font is different from gnome's fonts set in the appearance properly. It seems to me that it's arial (or serif - I am not a font expert. still having troules with that) and arial do not want to leave, even though I trt to change it in Edit - Preferences. Did anybody see this anytime to help me somehow? |
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| 13:31.09 | Appiah | I ran apt-get install apache mysql-server and meanwhile it was configuring the power went down , now It wont install anything until i do "dpkg --configure -a" , but that results in a bunch of errors and my harddrive getting remountad as read-only |
| 13:31.19 | Appiah | I'm stuck |
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| 13:31.44 | abrotman | you're going to have to fix the read-only part first |
| 13:33.28 | Appiah | I dont even know where to start |
| 13:34.29 | evocallaghan | Appiah:man fsck |
| 13:34.35 | evocallaghan | or use zfs |
| 13:34.42 | Appiah | so I'll fsck it |
| 13:34.46 | Appiah | k thats a start |
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| 13:35.15 | evocallaghan | wopps, wrong chan, Linux does not have zfs :p |
| 13:35.22 | idimmu | it does |
| 13:35.24 | idimmu | under fuse |
| 13:35.32 | evocallaghan | yea, useless.. |
| 13:35.37 | abrotman | stil has it |
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| 13:35.42 | evocallaghan | Nope |
| 13:35.49 | evocallaghan | If you regard Linux as a kernel |
| 13:36.37 | idimmu | hippy |
| 13:36.45 | abrotman | so which OS works with zfs and is actualyl fucntional? |
| 13:36.48 | idimmu | but yeah its not in kernel space |
| 13:36.52 | abrotman | s/os/kernel/ |
| 13:36.54 | idimmu | solaris isnt it? |
| 13:37.00 | evocallaghan | solaris,freebsd,osx.. |
| 13:37.00 | zamuroff | Solaris, I assume. |
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| 13:37.06 | abrotman | which shell does solaris have in the kernel ? |
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| 13:37.22 | idimmu | ksh! |
| 13:37.58 | eldkatt | three of four USB controllers show up in lspci as UHCI, and one as EHCI... to the best of my knowledge all of them should be USB2.0. Googling suggested that I'm not the first person to see this problem, but I haven't found anything about what causes it. Any ideas? |
| 13:38.48 | evocallaghan | has his fair share of x86 dramers today |
| 13:40.44 | bttb | UHCI is not USB 2.0 |
| 13:41.10 | eldkatt | well, exactly |
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| 13:41.35 | eldkatt | it shouldn't be UHCI if my computer is what I thought I was paying for |
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| 13:42.00 | ktwilight_ | is there a reason why mount's default iocharset is set at iso8859-1 instead of utf8? |
| 13:42.12 | bttb | No :) EHCI is for USB 2.0 devices, UHCI for USB 1.0 devices |
| 13:42.16 | ktwilight_ | and is it possible to change all filenames and directory names to utf8 instead of iso8859-1? |
| 13:42.50 | bttb | eldkatt: if your old usb devices wouldn't work you'd be mad about it, wouldn't you :) |
| 13:43.26 | eldkatt | oh, wait, device as in what is currently connected to it? |
| 13:44.38 | maligor | most usb host controllers have uhci handling usb 1 stuff |
| 13:44.49 | maligor | or OHCI |
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| 13:45.36 | eldkatt | hmm. Sloppy reading on my part, it seems. Thanks. :P |
| 13:47.51 | evocallaghan | eldkatt:Also you may have the wrong setting in your BIOS |
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| 13:49.45 | eldkatt | evocallaghan: I think there's no problem. Just me barking up the entirely wrong tree without realizing it. But thanks. |
| 13:50.01 | abrotman | eldkatt: IIRC that's totally normal |
| 13:53.29 | evocallaghan | *shrugs* |
| 13:53.37 | evocallaghan | I use SPARC most of the time |
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| 13:59.01 | Akuw | Hi |
| 13:59.19 | Akuw | i have a IDE Disk and SATA disk |
| 13:59.45 | Akuw | SATA have Linux and IDE have Win%$&/,(i need won to my scanner) |
| 14:00.16 | Akuw | so i need to configure SATA MAster and IDE SLAVE and configure GRUB to load both OS |
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| 14:02.18 | Akuw | what i need in root, kernel, initrd options? |
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| 14:07.00 | simonrvn | just need to tell grub where linux is, where win is, set root= for each one, then various needed options for each one. |
| 14:07.57 | valdyn | ktwilight_: for which filesystem(s) ? |
| 14:08.11 | ktwilight_ | valdyn, xfs |
| 14:08.17 | valdyn | ktwilight_: youre confused |
| 14:08.23 | valdyn | ktwilight_: xfs has nothign like that |
| 14:08.30 | ktwilight_ | valdyn, can't be, according to manpage, mount defaults to mount using iso8859-1 |
| 14:08.36 | valdyn | ktwilight_: no |
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| 14:08.56 | valdyn | ktwilight_: iocharset is only relevant to windows filesystems |
| 14:08.59 | ktwilight_ | "iocharset=value Character set to use for converting between 8 bit characters and 16 bit Unicode characters. The default is iso8859-1." |
| 14:09.05 | valdyn | ktwilight_: like smbfs, vfat, ntfs |
| 14:09.32 | ktwilight_ | valdyn, so for any non-windows fs, i wouldn't need to use iocharset? |
| 14:09.41 | valdyn | ktwilight_: thats right |
| 14:10.19 | ktwilight_ | ok, here's another thing. in id3v2 tags, easytag is configured to save it as utf8, but foobar2k doesn't recognise it in windows. nor does windows itself, how does that explain then? |
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| 14:10.30 | ktwilight_ | s/in/for |
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| 14:10.50 | streuner_ | what do i need for running make xconfig? |
| 14:10.51 | valdyn | ktwilight_: id3 tags have nothing to do with filesystems |
| 14:10.55 | streuner_ | (package) |
| 14:10.55 | valdyn | ktwilight_: they are file content |
| 14:11.08 | ktwilight_ | valdyn, so it'd be the app's encoding fault? |
| 14:11.17 | valdyn | ktwilight_: yea |
| 14:11.46 | ktwilight_ | then it'd be the code page fault. hmmm.. |
| 14:11.55 | valdyn | ktwilight_: what? no |
| 14:12.07 | valdyn | ktwilight_: its _entirely_ applications dependent |
| 14:12.07 | ktwilight_ | don't character encodings work with code pages? |
| 14:12.22 | valdyn | ktwilight_: you are using ms-dos? |
| 14:12.25 | ktwilight_ | no |
| 14:12.28 | ktwilight_ | debian. |
| 14:12.53 | ktwilight_ | but don't application rely on encoding libraries that may have code page issues? or at least that's what i've read for a perl application |
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| 14:13.30 | valdyn | ktwilight_: your id3-tag manipulating application can use whatever it wants to write and read the proper bytes |
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| 14:13.47 | valdyn | ktwilight_: theres no point in looking anywhere but inside just that application |
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| 14:14.12 | ktwilight_ | yes, and i point out that it could be the application's fault in not using hte proper libraries or whatever that relates to code pages. |
| 14:14.23 | ktwilight_ | or is code pages only kernel specific? :/ |
| 14:14.41 | valdyn | ktwilight_: i think codepage really is ms-dos terminology |
| 14:14.48 | ktwilight_ | really :/ |
| 14:15.05 | ktwilight_ | what's the equilevant of "code page" for *nix? |
| 14:15.13 | valdyn | ktwilight_: but if you want to use it geneically for a table mapping byte to character.. sure |
| 14:15.15 | ktwilight_ | ascii/unicode? |
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| 14:15.39 | ktwilight_ | ok, so, now i guess i have to dig the source code of easytag :) |
| 14:16.06 | valdyn | ktwilight_: or use a probram that lets you easily change the character set to use |
| 14:16.42 | ktwilight_ | hm, itunes works perfectly. |
| 14:16.50 | ktwilight_ | damn character encodings, why it's so complicated :) |
| 14:17.07 | ktwilight_ | ok, last very relevant question. how can i make mounting vfat default to utf8? |
| 14:17.09 | valdyn | ktwilight_: probably because id3 doesnt really support character sets |
| 14:17.23 | valdyn | ktwilight_: thats a kernel option |
| 14:17.53 | ktwilight_ | that'd depend on which id3 version. |
| 14:18.33 | ktwilight_ | ah, i found it CONFIG_FAT_DEFAULT_IOCHARSET |
| 14:18.42 | ktwilight_ | valdyn, perfect, thanks so much for hte insights! ;) |
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| 14:30.25 | vvd | hey, is there anything i must set/not set in an wireless AP to be able to connect to it in linux via ndiswrapper? i have an airport and fail to authenticate with it, however, i was able to authenticate to other wpa2 networks before |
| 14:31.18 | vvd | so my guess is, that my AP is set up "wrong" |
| 14:31.38 | vvd | :) |
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| 14:40.29 | eljefe | howc an i tweek iceweasel to allow it to download many files at once? currently it only does 2 files |
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| 14:41.40 | Khades|Ru | i cant install ia32-libs_2.6_amd64.deb in lenny |
| 14:41.57 | Khades|Ru | dpkg says that there is no free space |
| 14:41.57 | dpkg | Khades|Ru: okay |
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| 14:42.24 | Khades|Ru | but i have more than 200mb freespace on each partition |
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| 14:43.46 | Khades|Ru | what should i do to install it? |
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| 14:46.07 | Khades|Ru | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:46.15 | Khades|Ru | help me please T_T |
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| 14:48.07 | cahoot | df -i ? |
| 14:48.26 | Khades|Ru | i found it |
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| 14:48.34 | Khades|Ru | in creates /emul |
| 14:48.49 | Khades|Ru | but i made 200mb partition for / |
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| 14:50.44 | Grim76__ | 200MB for / seems a bit thin |
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| 14:51.43 | Z4ndX | Hey.. can any tell me howto change a users group ? .. |
| 14:51.43 | Khades|Ru | well i made 1gb /tmp partition, 2gb /usr, 4gb /var |
| 14:51.54 | Khades|Ru | i thought it was enough |
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| 14:52.20 | abrotman | Z4ndX: their default group? or just add a group ? |
| 14:53.00 | Z4ndX | can a user be in more than one group ? |
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| 14:53.17 | xand | of course they can |
| 14:53.24 | Z4ndX | Nice :) .. |
| 14:53.31 | xand | gpasswd -a user group |
| 14:53.41 | Z4ndX | Okay how do i add a user to a group then ? |
| 14:53.46 | xand | ^ |
| 14:54.11 | cvn | hello, after running squid and using the proxy on my IE, it says Access Denied. the access.log says this: http://pastebin.com/d5d2de058 |
| 14:54.18 | Z4ndX | gpasswd -a user group ? |
| 14:54.23 | xand | yes |
| 14:54.26 | Z4ndX | Nice thanks |
| 14:54.40 | Z4ndX | and how do i check if it worked ? |
| 14:54.44 | xand | cvn: the default squid config is restrictive |
| 14:54.52 | xand | groups user |
| 14:55.00 | xand | or just "groups" as a user |
| 14:55.14 | xand | you have to logout and back in again to get the new groups |
| 14:55.22 | Z4ndX | okay thank you :) |
| 14:55.24 | cvn | xand what should i do? |
| 14:55.27 | xand | or rather, group changes only take effect at logon |
| 14:55.33 | xand | cvn: erm... |
| 14:55.36 | Z4ndX | Okay |
| 14:55.38 | xand | I don't remember |
| 14:55.52 | cvn | i think i need to do something with acl |
| 14:55.59 | xand | yes |
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| 14:56.14 | cvn | but i dont know what ;\ |
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| 15:08.24 | Spee_Der | Can someone please point me in the right direction? I have one 40 Gig drive with Debian (Etch). I'd like to clone this to another my new 120 Gig and remove the 40. |
| 15:08.53 | hoxu | !tar partition copy |
| 15:08.53 | dpkg | i heard tar partition copy is to copy contents of a partition, use something like tar -cpv --one-file-system . |(cd /target/path; tar x) |
| 15:09.10 | idimmu | physically install newdrive, make partitions, format partitions, use tar to copy stuff from one drive to the other, do some grub fu, reboot |
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| 15:09.11 | hoxu | naturally you want to mount said partition read-only before that |
| 15:09.35 | Spee_Der | Thank you so much. I was running low on storage. |
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| 15:09.54 | hoxu | Spee_Der, you should have a look at LVM too |
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| 15:12.25 | pozic | Can I run evil Silverlight applications under Debian in some way? |
| 15:12.40 | pozic | !silverlight |
| 15:12.47 | asg | iirc, there is a Linux port called Moonlight |
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| 15:13.14 | cahoot | homebrew? |
| 15:14.06 | linuxguy | !seen @Zeus_ |
| 15:14.06 | dpkg | linuxguy: i haven't seen '@zeus_' |
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| 15:14.27 | linuxguy | !seen _Zeus_ |
| 15:14.27 | dpkg | i haven't seen '_zeus_', linuxguy |
| 15:15.31 | pozic | Moonlight basically screams: bend and we will f*ck you from behind. |
| 15:15.58 | pozic | Oh, well, then no Silverlight for me. |
| 15:16.00 | khades | When nvidia-glx drivers will be included in lenny? |
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| 15:16.45 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_, hello agian....can you post that line inagain for installing the nvidia drivers for lenny please......thanks |
| 15:18.05 | defrysk | !nvidia lenny |
| 15:18.05 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 15:18.38 | abrotman | linuxguy: you sohuld write down the commands .. you can join the cahnnel and "/msg dpkg nvidia lenny" |
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| 15:19.42 | djs | Hey all. I wanted to make a bootable install usb flash drive to try out Debian. I parted deleted the vfat, made it all ext2, set the boot flag, and then cp -R'ed the contents of the iso to the flash drive. Rebooted, told it to try from the flash drive, and it said missing operating system. |
| 15:19.50 | djs | What did I miss? |
| 15:20.00 | linuxguy | abrotman, i know.....but ive just done a fresh install of lenny....so all the stuff thats been posted has been lost.....everything that has been told to me has been of great help and well appreciated |
| 15:20.01 | khades | d**n this. Why should i have this rectal bleeding when lenny is frosen? |
| 15:20.12 | amoe | what's the best way to get my .profile run when i log in through gdm? |
| 15:20.15 | abrotman | linuxguy: WRITE .. with a pen/pencil |
| 15:20.27 | abrotman | khades: because it's still testing ? |
| 15:21.04 | defrysk | making notes is the mother of all blah blah |
| 15:21.12 | sladi | amoe: AFAIK GDM relies on some gnome configuration tool for Gnome |
| 15:21.33 | linuxguy | surely typing this in sources list will not work : Add a "deb-src ..." |
| 15:21.45 | linuxguy | the rest of the line is missing |
| 15:22.02 | sladi | amoe: something like autostart options in there |
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| 15:22.12 | khades | aah, eff it. |
| 15:23.03 | stew | if i had rectal bleeding, i'd probably be worried about things other than non-free x drivers |
| 15:23.31 | amoe | desktop > preferences > login window seems to be GDM config, but doesn't contain any options to run things |
| 15:23.43 | Lord^Anubis | rofl, nonsense |
| 15:23.56 | defrysk | amoe, gdmsetup as root |
| 15:24.37 | defrysk | if that is what you mean that is |
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| 15:25.10 | amoe | yep, that's what i mean, but doesn't have any option to run my profile |
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| 15:25.36 | djs | I have been googling on the subject, but mostly am running in to ubuntu stuff. Does it not like the ext2 fs on it? |
| 15:25.40 | defrysk | amoe, as in autologin ? |
| 15:25.58 | sladi | amoe: It's not inside GDM options IIRC but I don't use Gnome |
| 15:26.01 | amoe | no, i want to login manually, but have my ~/.profile run to set my environment variables |
| 15:26.15 | pozic | amoe: ~/.gnomerc |
| 15:26.23 | defrysk | oh that |
| 15:26.34 | abrotman | !tell djs about usb install |
| 15:26.46 | amoe | hmmmmm |
| 15:26.47 | pozic | amoe: I use it to set my PATH, but it seemed the source command did not work. |
| 15:27.02 | pozic | amoe: the Web is full of clueless people with the same question. |
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| 15:27.26 | _ZeuZ_ | linuxguy, for lenny? there isn't, you must follow a serie of steps... ask dpkg... or install the pacakge from nvidia wich might lead you to trouble |
| 15:27.36 | tore | exim4 is refusing to be removed |
| 15:27.43 | sladi | amoe: I tried GDM and now I login via terminal ^^ |
| 15:27.44 | djs | abrotman: Thanks. That answered my question. It was the fs. |
| 15:27.46 | defrysk | uses .bashrc |
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| 15:28.03 | pozic | amoe: to test that it runs you can do echo "hi" > ~/foo |
| 15:28.04 | tore | it tries to stop exim4-daemon-light, says it can't kill the pid because it is no such process. then the initscript says it failed, and gives up |
| 15:28.09 | tore | any ideas? |
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| 15:28.30 | idimmu | create a fake process and pid file for it to kill? |
| 15:28.35 | pozic | amoe: if you find that source does work, please tell me. |
| 15:28.41 | Strav | he. I wish to know what's happening with acpi and friends... With most recent versions (on sid repos) I can now get my battery status for the kernels 2.6.24 and above but I cannot resume from suspend. Now if I downgrade to etch packages, I cannot get any battery status (still on > 2.6.23) while resume from suspend is fine. Anyone has any idea of the changes going on acpi? Should I perhaps switch to another system? |
| 15:28.43 | amoe | hmm yeah i will give it a try |
| 15:29.11 | tore | idimmu: how |
| 15:29.12 | tore | ? |
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| 15:29.45 | abrotman | tore: start it before trying to remove it |
| 15:29.45 | idimmu | look in the exim init script to see where the pid file lives ( /var/run/exim4 ?) and pop in the pid of an existing process |
| 15:29.53 | idimmu | or just edit the init script to always return true |
| 15:30.01 | sladi | pozic: maybe including .bash_profile is possible? |
| 15:30.01 | idimmu | instead of falce |
| 15:30.10 | sladi | pozic: in gnomerc I mean |
| 15:30.12 | ewet | is there a way to generally make konsole a loginshell (not -ls)? this is because kate and other programs will close it because of TMOUT being set... (or isn't konsole a kpart?!) |
| 15:30.32 | tore | abrotman: still won't work.. |
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| 15:30.36 | Nenillo | hi, I'm trying to configure my soundcard (sound blaster live with emu10k1) |
| 15:30.49 | Nenillo | alsa detects it but at the end it shows "amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device" |
| 15:30.57 | abrotman | tore: same error ? |
| 15:31.01 | tore | abrotman: yep |
| 15:31.24 | Nenillo | the modules are loaded |
| 15:31.32 | abrotman | tore: is it actually running after you start it ? |
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| 15:32.40 | tore | - ~ # ps aux |grep exim |
| 15:32.40 | tore | 107 3132 0.0 0.0 5876 888 ? Ss 17:32 0:00 /usr/sbin/exim4 -bd -q30m |
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| 15:32.54 | defrysk | Nenillo, is this soundcard used on a mobo that has a build in soundcard? |
| 15:33.03 | Nenillo | yes |
| 15:33.22 | defrysk | Nenillo, did you turn the build in soundcard off in your bios ? |
| 15:33.31 | Nenillo | no |
| 15:33.35 | abrotman | tore: and if you try to remove it now .. what's the full error (pastebin) |
| 15:33.47 | Nenillo | I can try... |
| 15:33.50 | defrysk | maybe that helps |
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| 15:34.09 | defrysk | if you have a new soundcard attached that is |
| 15:37.23 | tore | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m5c3d8f2f |
| 15:38.21 | abrotman | looks like it already stopped it once |
| 15:38.30 | abrotman | you can comment out the stop line in the prerm script |
| 15:39.07 | tore | abrotman: where do I find that script? |
| 15:39.13 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 15:39.50 | tore | exim4.postrm? |
| 15:41.40 | tore | oh well, gotta go out anyways |
| 15:41.48 | tore | will have a look at it tonight again.. :) |
| 15:41.52 | tore | thanks for the help, abrotman |
| 15:41.53 | abrotman | which ever script it says is failing |
| 15:41.58 | tore | ok :) |
| 15:42.01 | tore | later |
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| 15:49.21 | Nenillo | defrysk that mobo does not allow to disable audio... but thanks anyway for the tip |
| 15:49.56 | defrysk | oh ? |
| 15:50.22 | idimmu | i dont believe him either :) |
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| 15:50.28 | defrysk | hehe |
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| 15:50.53 | Nenillo | you are going to believe me... it's an HP |
| 15:51.12 | Nenillo | no overcloking, no big disks, no high density memory... |
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| 15:52.45 | xand | no cake |
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| 16:16.08 | esaym | how do I kill a screen session? |
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| 16:18.55 | abrotman | why not just reattach and then exit correclty? |
| 16:19.51 | esaym | I got 2 sessions running on accident, I need to kill one |
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| 16:20.26 | esaym | so how to exit correctly? C-a C-\ doesn't seem to work |
| 16:20.44 | esaym | and just pressing C-a k a bunch of times doesn't seem right |
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| 16:21.59 | abrotman | logout ? |
| 16:22.01 | abrotman | ctrl-d ? |
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| 16:22.12 | abrotman | or you mean disconnect from the screen session ? |
| 16:22.53 | Nyle | oh my fucking god |
| 16:22.59 | Nyle | Good monring people! |
| 16:23.10 | Nyle | man I been busy for a few days, I'm sure you all enjoyed it |
| 16:23.18 | Nyle | whats going on in the world of #debian? |
| 16:23.29 | XKpe | on one of the servers in my college i remember they had a random funny message right after the motd, but i dont remember what was the program that diplayed them, does anyone knows this? |
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| 16:23.37 | Nyle | XKpe, fortune |
| 16:23.43 | XKpe | yea thats it thanks |
| 16:23.47 | Nyle | XKpe, I have it as well, its a funny application :) |
| 16:24.44 | Nyle | the rebranding of firefox is causing a few extensions to not install |
| 16:25.10 | Nyle | they want firefox, while the browser tells them iceweasel, dumb extenstion coders perhaps... but what to do |
| 16:25.17 | Nyle | changing useragent string didn't help! |
| 16:25.22 | Nyle | please advise. |
| 16:25.36 | esaym | abrotman: no I mean kill the whole session |
| 16:25.43 | Oins | I have the following config: http://paste.debian.net/14365/ and get the following error: http://paste.debian.net/14367/. Has anyone a clue what the problem could be? The .15 IP is a Windows XP Client. Why is the client not authorized? Printing works perfect. |
| 16:25.53 | pozic | Nyle: mail the authors or use firefox or don't use it. |
| 16:26.00 | Nyle | pozic, uhuh |
| 16:26.07 | Nyle | pozic, its google toolbar :( |
| 16:26.09 | pozic | Nyle: or send patches. |
| 16:26.14 | drizzd | I accidentally rm'ed /usr/local/share/info/dir. How do I recreate it? |
| 16:26.14 | abrotman | esaym: just logout until it tells you the screen session has been terminated |
| 16:26.26 | abrotman | drizzd: that's not a debian location |
| 16:26.37 | pipeline | esaym: ctrl-a, k will prompt you on whether you're sure |
| 16:26.37 | Nyle | pozic, ok, I'll dl firefox3 |
| 16:26.41 | pozic | Nyle: why would anyone willingly want to use that? |
| 16:26.42 | pipeline | esaym: so it's really c-a, k, y |
| 16:26.52 | Nyle | pozic, why not? it is very useful |
| 16:26.56 | Nyle | I use google for everything |
| 16:27.06 | pozic | Nyle: you don't need a toolbar for that. |
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| 16:27.24 | Nyle | but it makes things easy, I can click a link and it opens in gmail, it doesn't happen without the toolbar |
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| 16:27.28 | abrotman | i'd probably try to just download the plugin and change the contents |
| 16:27.34 | Nyle | you can? |
| 16:27.38 | abrotman | you can't? |
| 16:27.44 | Nyle | I thought xpi was binary... |
| 16:27.47 | Nyle | I'll look into it |
| 16:27.52 | Nyle | that IS an idea |
| 16:27.55 | pozic | Nyle: it's just tar or zip or whatever. |
| 16:28.00 | Nyle | aha |
| 16:28.04 | abrotman | a zip |
| 16:28.06 | pozic | Nyle: something standard in anyway. |
| 16:28.21 | abrotman | re-zipping is a bit tricky .. but should only take a few tries |
| 16:28.29 | esaym | pipeline: it was C-a K |
| 16:28.29 | Nyle | I'll look into mozdev |
| 16:28.33 | pozic | abrotman: why is that? |
| 16:28.38 | Nyle | thanks, I really want the official toolbar of google to work |
| 16:28.42 | Nyle | thanks, I am busy now |
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| 16:28.47 | Nyle | =D |
| 16:28.50 | abrotman | pozic: i always seemed to get the wrong directories in there |
| 16:28.57 | esaym | but docs say that C-a C-\ will kill all windows and exit but it doesn't ? |
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| 16:30.05 | kibibyte | i want use virtual domain in my server but do i when i ping from outside myvirtual.mydomain.com it says that unknown host, but i can ping mydomian.com |
| 16:30.08 | kibibyte | help |
| 16:30.17 | kibibyte | do i need to set some dns or what |
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| 16:30.34 | esaym | yea |
| 16:30.34 | xand | kibibyte: yes |
| 16:30.38 | Nyle | of course |
| 16:30.39 | kibibyte | but where? |
| 16:30.51 | esaym | with you dns host or install your own dns server |
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| 16:32.14 | Nyle | hello gtk people |
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| 16:32.22 | n-iCe | anyone habe installed a Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller ? |
| 16:33.00 | esaym | kibibyte: dns works like this: mydomain.com points to an ip address. myvirtual. is a "sub domain" and it has to have a dns record to point to an ip address, it can be the same one or a different one |
| 16:33.16 | kibibyte | damn |
| 16:33.16 | Nyle | I installed a firefox3 just now, not iceweasel, in amd64 using ia-32libs, I did this to bypass the extention thingy, but now everything in firefox3 32bit is rendered in NON antialias'd fonts, while still in the 64bit copy, the fonts are smoothed. What gives? what can I check? |
| 16:33.18 | kibibyte | :/ |
| 16:33.19 | esaym | ;) |
| 16:33.27 | DawnLight | n-iCe: i'm sure. that thing should work, i think. not from experience |
| 16:33.41 | kibibyte | Nyle, and can setit somehow on my server |
| 16:33.44 | kibibyte | this dns |
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| 16:33.46 | esaym | for testing you could use dyndns.com |
| 16:33.50 | DexterF | hi |
| 16:33.51 | DawnLight | !tell n-iCe about ask |
| 16:33.55 | Nyle | n-iCe, hi |
| 16:33.59 | n-iCe | hey Nyle :* |
| 16:34.01 | kibibyte | i mean esaym |
| 16:34.04 | Nyle | whats up |
| 16:34.10 | esaym | they give out free sub domain of there own domain that you can point to any ip address |
| 16:34.21 | kibibyte | esaym, but maybe i can set my dns on my server |
| 16:34.23 | Nyle | I just bought a domain |
| 16:34.30 | Nyle | myrealname.info ;) |
| 16:34.32 | esaym | kibibyte: yes I run my own dns |
| 16:34.33 | n-iCe | Nyle: that video card problem, I Installed a game, and it is so slow, so might be the video card not working properly I thught was working |
| 16:34.41 | DexterF | just switched to new hardware including video, reconf'ed X but only get 60Hz @1600x1200, should be 85 rather. only suspicious entry in X' logs is a line saying: |
| 16:34.43 | esaym | it is not easy though, it takes alot of reading to figure it all out |
| 16:34.43 | Nyle | n-iCe, which card? |
| 16:34.46 | DexterF | AUDIT: Sat Aug 9 18:31:50 2008: 4563 X: client 22 rejected from local host |
| 16:34.50 | Nyle | n-iCe, and which drier? |
| 16:34.52 | Nyle | driver* |
| 16:34.53 | esaym | buying a book about bind9 might help |
| 16:35.00 | n-iCe | Nyle: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller |
| 16:35.09 | Nyle | 32mb ram? |
| 16:35.15 | Nyle | or 128? |
| 16:35.31 | wols | DexterF: TFT? |
| 16:35.31 | pipeline | DexterF: means you attempted to start an X application and it didn't have its xauth ducks in a row. |
| 16:35.33 | Nyle | I dunno nothin bout intel, but I think onboard intel can do minor gaming like open arena at least |
| 16:35.35 | n-iCe | uhm |
| 16:35.36 | Nyle | right? |
| 16:35.44 | DawnLight | n-iCe: did you try the intel driver? |
| 16:35.46 | Nyle | or some such |
| 16:35.46 | DawnLight | nexuiz! |
| 16:35.57 | DexterF | wols: crt |
| 16:35.58 | n-iCe | xserver-xorg-video-intel is already the newest version |
| 16:36.03 | Nyle | DawnLight, ugh... too fast |
| 16:36.05 | n-iCe | is there anyway to active it? |
| 16:36.09 | kibibyte | esaym, so thn client will connect to your dns? |
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| 16:36.18 | wols | DexterF: pastebin the Xorg log |
| 16:36.28 | Nyle | n-iCe, it should get selected by default, check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:36.42 | wols | n-iCe: did you check what driver it uses? |
| 16:36.45 | cahoot | not really a gaming vid card? |
| 16:36.50 | DexterF | wols: really long. all of it? |
| 16:36.51 | eldereko | is it possible to mount a --bind in fstab? |
| 16:36.51 | esaym | kibibyte: it will connect to the dns at the place where your domain is registered at, and it will need to be configured to point to your dns |
| 16:36.59 | wols | cahoot: hardly. but Q3A is doable |
| 16:37.01 | Nyle | cahoot, right, but I thought it was capable of minor gaming, is it not? |
| 16:37.16 | kibibyte | :/ |
| 16:37.22 | cahoot | Nyle: I've only tested backgammon |
| 16:37.27 | Nyle | HAHAHAHA |
| 16:37.37 | Nyle | good one :) |
| 16:37.40 | pipeline | wols: for some value of doable... |
| 16:37.44 | cahoot | OTOH it copes fine |
| 16:37.52 | pipeline | even when GL is working correctly on an intel chipset, it's not exactly blazin' fast. |
| 16:38.03 | wols | pipeline: nah, for Q3A era it's usable |
| 16:38.06 | esaym | kibibyte: it is not that bad, it is pretty fun really :) |
| 16:38.11 | n-iCe | Nyle: looks file to me: http://www.asasasasas.pastebin.com/m6e06e763 |
| 16:38.17 | n-iCe | wols: not really |
| 16:38.42 | wols | n-iCe: glxinfo | grep direct |
| 16:39.03 | n-iCe | (II) intel(0): VESA VBE OEM Product: Intel(r)GM965/PM965/GL960 Graphics Controller |
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| 16:39.15 | n-iCe | wols: bash: glxinfo: command not found |
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| 16:39.17 | DexterF | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1097053 |
| 16:40.10 | wols | !tell n-ice about installit |
| 16:40.17 | wols | n-iCe: mesa-utils |
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| 16:40.33 | wols | n-iCe: not opengl working for you since you have DRM problems |
| 16:40.48 | n-iCe | Ok, mesa-utils is installed |
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| 16:40.59 | n-iCe | what about that glx? |
| 16:41.16 | wols | n-iCe: you also give it "only" 7-8MB of videoram |
| 16:41.26 | wols | n-iCe: run it |
| 16:41.30 | n-iCe | how do I change that, cuz I did not |
| 16:42.01 | wols | DexterF: wrong video driver (vesa). what videochip? |
| 16:42.10 | wols | n-iCe: BIOS |
| 16:42.12 | n-iCe | wols: direct rendering: No (If you want to find out why, try setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose) |
| 16:42.16 | n-iCe | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 16:42.44 | wols | n-iCe: and now you know why it's so slow. no 3D enabled |
| 16:42.47 | kibibyte | esaym, which dns server should i dowload |
| 16:42.51 | DexterF | wols: AMD/ATi Radeon IGP 780G aka 3200HD, Xorg 7.1 doesn't support it out of the box I think. So vesa is safe bet. Still should work tho shouldn't it? |
| 16:43.00 | n-iCe | wols: :o |
| 16:43.02 | esaym | bind9 |
| 16:43.13 | wols | DexterF: it does work already |
| 16:43.22 | DexterF | wols: pardon? |
| 16:43.24 | wols | DexterF: vesa does 60hz and that's what you have |
| 16:44.17 | DexterF | wols: oh, vesa is limited to 60? |
| 16:44.17 | n-iCe | wols: any tutorial to enable it? or how do I enable it? |
| 16:44.17 | wols | either use the propre driver or be satisfied with what you have |
| 16:44.17 | esaym | kibibyte: but remember that you will still have to point your domain register to your dns |
| 16:44.17 | wols | n-iCe: see the message from glxinfo |
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| 16:44.30 | sladi | DexterF: vesa con do more than 60hz |
| 16:44.32 | kibibyte | esaym, on admin panel where i bought my domain? |
| 16:44.43 | wols | sladi: depends on the vesa |
| 16:44.45 | DexterF | sladi: happen to know how? |
| 16:45.14 | DexterF | hm. guess ill give the ati driver another shot. who knows, maybe they got it working meanwhile. ah ha ha hah ha. |
| 16:45.28 | n-iCe | uhm |
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| 16:45.46 | sladi | DexterF: well I usually edited xorg.conf to use a higher minimum refreshrate. I use CRT. Also modelines may help. |
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| 16:46.07 | sladi | wols: I see. OK :) |
| 16:46.30 | esaym | kibibyte: yes, you will have to register a "name server". Something like ns1.mydomain.com and ns2.mydomain.com and you will have to point them to the proper ip address(s) for where the dns server is. You are supposed to have 2 name servers on two different ip's but you can get by with one ip and just pointing ns1 and ns2 both to the same ip usually |
| 16:46.45 | DexterF | sladi: you mean like for vsync range instead of 50-160 tell it 80-160? |
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| 16:47.05 | n-iCe | wols: setting LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose give no additional info. |
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| 16:47.17 | kibibyte | esaym, ok |
| 16:47.42 | wols | n-iCe: LIBGL_DEBUG=verbose glxinfo |less |
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| 16:47.46 | esaym | kibibyte: might help some http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=bind9+howto+debian&spell=1 |
| 16:47.46 | sladi | DexterF: the minimum refresh rate thing may be needed, yes. Usuually it should use the highest rating. I don't know if you can specifi that further. Nidia drivers can do it by simply replacing 1208x1024 with 1028x1024_100 for example. |
| 16:48.03 | sladi | DexterF: Maybe modelines are the way to go. |
| 16:48.39 | n-iCe | wols: there you go libGL error: dlopen /usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so failed (/usr/lib/dri/i965_dri.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory) |
| 16:48.54 | wols | n-iCe: then install that file? |
| 16:49.03 | n-iCe | hehe :) |
| 16:49.23 | sladi | DexterF: I think usually it should use the highest rate the monitor reports should be used. This info may be flawed though ^^ |
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| 16:51.12 | DexterF | sladi: havent done modelines in ages... for the moment I'll see how far the ati drivers are gonna take me, if that fails, I'll... compile the free drivers with Mesa and X all that sh!t :D |
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| 16:52.17 | sladi | DexterF: I use vsync 80-160 on a livecd here. :) GL |
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| 16:52.41 | sladi | DexterF: *85 |
| 16:53.05 | ryty_ | okay, so, I try to use `mv *.wmv wmv/` and get "mv: invalid option -- j\nTry `mv --help' for more information." |
| 16:53.12 | ryty_ | any ideas? I already checked my aliases |
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| 16:54.25 | n-iCe | wols: debian:/home/torroella# glxinfo | grep direct |
| 16:54.25 | n-iCe | direct rendering: Yes |
| 16:54.31 | pozic | ryty_: try mv -- <rest> |
| 16:54.41 | n-iCe | wols: must be all? |
| 16:54.48 | pozic | ryty_: you probably have funny file names. |
| 16:54.54 | ryty_ | pozic: heh, that worked |
| 16:55.07 | ryty_ | there's nothing funny about them |
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| 16:55.26 | pozic | ryty_: yes, there is, otherwise you didn't have to do that. |
| 16:55.45 | ryty_ | you're right, one of them has an ampersand and stuff |
| 16:55.52 | pozic | ryty_: :) |
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| 16:56.06 | ryty_ | pozic: thanks for your help...almost thought it was a bug with mv |
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| 16:56.29 | S[h]O[r]T | anyone really good with lvm issues? |
| 16:59.29 | ryty_ | pozic: Oh! I know what it was. This file starts with -j...... |
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| 17:01.39 | DawnLight | !tell S[h]O[r]T about anyone |
| 17:01.45 | n-iCe | who plays warzone 2100 |
| 17:04.08 | rgr | n-iCe: I give up. Who? |
| 17:04.18 | n-iCe | rgr: uh? :p |
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| 17:12.04 | wols | n-iCe: now it should work, incl. hardware 3D and compiz |
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| 17:12.13 | wols | to the best of the ability of a G965 that is :) |
| 17:12.51 | amphi | wols: which is not bad at all |
| 17:12.56 | n-iCe | wols: yes, thank you so much! |
| 17:13.09 | wols | amphi: well, opinions differ widely on this one :) |
| 17:13.24 | amphi | wols: heh; I'm not a gamer; it runs stellarium ok |
| 17:13.45 | wols | well it can run nethack so the gamers should be happy, right? |
| 17:14.10 | amphi | ;) |
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| 17:15.29 | maligor | let's not forget glxgears |
| 17:17.01 | amphi | please, let us forget it ;) |
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| 17:21.04 | opensrcguru | folks...ive got an odd grub problem.....grub wont autoboot after the timeout expires. any ideas? |
| 17:21.34 | wols | opensrcguru: what does opensrcguru say is the default it should boot into? |
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| 17:22.08 | opensrcguru | worked fine until i setup grub to redirect I/O to serial port. |
| 17:22.27 | opensrcguru | i should say serial port and vga |
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| 17:22.58 | mathesis | hi |
| 17:23.37 | mathesis | how can i recovery or reset password bios compaq presario v3000? |
| 17:24.04 | mathesis | there is a software in debian fore recovery or reset password od bios? |
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| 17:24.25 | epsilon | no hint on web? |
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| 17:24.52 | opensrcguru | mathesis: a little off topic, but usually theres a jumper or two on the mainboard that does just that. |
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| 17:25.53 | wols | mathesis: there is no such thing. you can clear CMOS tho |
| 17:25.55 | mathesis | in all motherboars of notebooks? |
| 17:25.59 | wols | IF that erases the password |
| 17:26.12 | n-iCe | wols: how can I know if I am using, supermount ? |
| 17:26.15 | olejorgenb | hm.. should http use 100% cpu while synaptic is downloading? |
| 17:26.32 | wols | n-iCe: if you run debian you don't since there is no supermount for it |
| 17:26.33 | epsilon | if you use 100MHz CPU, yes |
| 17:26.44 | n-iCe | wols: I see, awesome |
| 17:26.45 | wols | olejorgenb: no |
| 17:26.52 | wols | olejorgenb: check top to see what is using the CPU |
| 17:27.08 | olejorgenb | hm, lets see if the problem disapears atfer the upgrade is done |
| 17:27.19 | olejorgenb | my system is pretty old right now |
| 17:27.34 | olejorgenb | vols http |
| 17:27.42 | olejorgenb | it says |
| 17:28.26 | olejorgenb | but the system is lenny, 3 months un-upgraded, so it might fix it self |
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| 17:28.55 | n-iCe | wols: can you give me a hand with the installation ? http://icculus.org/%7Eravage/tacticalops/do_not_link_to_these_files/tacticalops-3.5.0-install-x86.run.txt |
| 17:29.04 | allos_nerelin | @@ wols stew |
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| 17:29.28 | wols | n-iCe: ask specific questions if you want answers from me |
| 17:29.34 | n-iCe | wols: ok |
| 17:29.55 | wols | n-iCe: try to install and tell us if you encounter errors |
| 17:30.10 | n-iCe | mount: No medium found |
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| 17:31.00 | n-iCe | is it mount /dev/cdrom |
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| 17:31.02 | opensrcguru | damn thing boots fine if i 'press any key' while waiting for input, but if i wait for it to boot after timeout, it just hangs.....wont even let me press the any key. |
| 17:31.04 | n-iCe | or /media/cdrom |
| 17:31.43 | pozic | n-iCe: Gnome has automounting built in |
| 17:32.05 | pozic | n-iCe: I think KDE also does, so it probably already is mounted if you have the CD/DVD in it. |
| 17:32.17 | n-iCe | I don't |
| 17:32.28 | n-iCe | i need to mount the .run to the cd I guess, I downloaded the file |
| 17:32.31 | pozic | n-iCe: you won't what? |
| 17:32.48 | n-iCe | Mount |
| 17:32.48 | n-iCe | the Tactical Ops: Assault on Terror CD. Export the environment |
| 17:32.51 | n-iCe | variable 'SETUP_CDROM' |
| 17:33.00 | pozic | n-iCe: you are not listening. |
| 17:33.13 | Tenkawa | is there a decent guide on how to get the debian installer "onto" a usb flash drive. not installing to it.. just using it as a bootable installer? |
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| 17:33.28 | wols | n-iCe: unlikely. you need to make the .run executable and run it. usually as root |
| 17:33.36 | pozic | n-iCe: do you have a CD of this game? |
| 17:33.42 | Tenkawa | hmm think I found a doc |
| 17:33.46 | n-iCe | you told me that it is already mounted, if the disc is inserted, am I right? |
| 17:33.55 | pozic | n-iCe: no, I didn't. |
| 17:34.03 | pozic | n-iCe: I said something slightly more complex. |
| 17:34.06 | n-iCe | pozic: i don't have it |
| 17:34.13 | n-iCe | wols: just that? |
| 17:34.16 | n-iCe | not mount, etc? |
| 17:34.22 | n-iCe | like instructions says? |
| 17:34.26 | pozic | n-iCe: ok, so you don't have the CD for a game that requires a CD? |
| 17:35.27 | n-iCe | pozic: that's why the .run exist, right? |
| 17:35.45 | wols | n-iCe: you either have a CD of the game or a CD ISO: do you have this? yes or no? |
| 17:35.57 | pozic | n-iCe: no, you don't understand. |
| 17:35.57 | n-iCe | it doesn't ask for it, so no |
| 17:36.04 | pozic | n-iCe: ... |
| 17:36.17 | pozic | n-iCe: I know you are a gamer, but try to find that thing between your ears. |
| 17:36.43 | wols | n-iCe: was that no it doesn't for me? |
| 17:36.43 | olejorgenb | Maybe I'm just blind, but where is the option to get nautilus out of "spatial mode"? |
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| 17:36.56 | pozic | olejorgenb: yes, there is a list mode. |
| 17:37.11 | pozic | olejorgenb: if spatial means show pretty icons. |
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| 17:37.39 | defrysk | edit > preferences >behaviour |
| 17:37.43 | olejorgenb | no, I mean the thing where each folder *IS* a folder. ie. when I open a folder a new window is created |
| 17:37.47 | defrysk | and set it to browser |
| 17:38.14 | defrysk | got that olejorgenb ? |
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| 17:38.46 | olejorgenb | defrysk: ah, alwasy open in browser windows, ok, thanks :) |
| 17:38.54 | pozic | n-iCe: already obtained a valuable clue to get to the next level? |
| 17:39.17 | jpinx | anyone know how to install java runtime environment in iceweasel? |
| 17:39.21 | n-iCe | pozic: no |
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| 17:40.02 | n-iCe | wols: http://asasasas.pastebin.com/mfef29c0 |
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| 17:40.54 | wols | n-iCe: install the missing lib |
| 17:41.24 | n-iCe | working on it |
| 17:41.39 | pozic | n-iCe: your first step is to get the CD/DVD. Without it all of this is pointless. |
| 17:42.04 | n-iCe | pozic: :| |
| 17:42.20 | wols | pozic: the first error is a lib loading one. so that's the first step :) |
| 17:42.24 | wols | pozic: one error at a time |
| 17:42.40 | pozic | wols: I hadn't seen that error. |
| 17:42.56 | pozic | wols: it might also be included on the CD. |
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| 17:44.08 | stefan_k | hello, I want only update the cups-server with the dependences of it . which apt-get command do I need? |
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| 17:45.06 | wols | pozic: doesn't matter. we want debian libs if we can use them (libgtk 1.2 is kinda old of course...) |
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| 17:45.20 | wols | stefan_k: apt-get install <package to updatw> |
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| 17:45.38 | stefan_k | wols: thanks |
| 17:45.59 | olejorgenb | One more question: Is it a easy way to change the color depth without restarting X ? |
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| 17:46.35 | wols | olejorgenb: check xrandr perhaps |
| 17:46.48 | olejorgenb | wols: did, no luck (I think) |
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| 17:49.30 | defrysk | olejorgenb, maybe find a theme that suits your prefs |
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| 17:50.26 | olejorgenb | defrysk: hu? does the theme decide what color depth to use, that's just ... weird |
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| 17:51.03 | ryty_ | olejorgenb: xvidtune _might_ do it? not sure. |
| 17:51.06 | olejorgenb | assuming we're talking gnome theme |
| 17:51.30 | defrysk | olejorgenb, it does not but some some themes are easyer on the eyes |
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| 17:52.45 | olejorgenb | ok, so probably not then :) |
| 17:52.58 | olejorgenb | restarts X |
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| 17:59.20 | pundit | if i insert a cd on a debian box it does not mount automatically, i have to mount manually. thats especially a pain when usi5Dng apt-get. how can i reactivate auto-mounting of cdroms? |
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| 17:59.40 | wols | !automount |
| 17:59.41 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 17:59.45 | opensrcguru | if anyone was curious why grub wouldn't time out and proceed as expected.......grub doesn't like when there is a console (lcd display) along with a serial terminal (minicom vt102) configured at the same time...especially when the serial console doesn't support the rich set of formattting that grub provides/requires. as soon as you append --dumb to the terminal line in menu.1st, all well once again. |
| 17:59.46 | wols | pozic: apt-get mounts them on its own |
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| 18:01.35 | pundit | thx wols. however, apt-get does not mount on its own, as i made some modifications to the /dev directory ... :S |
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| 18:01.56 | defrysk | pundit, system> prefs> removable drives and media |
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| 18:04.08 | pundit | defrysk do you refer to GNOME? |
| 18:04.13 | defrysk | yes |
| 18:04.23 | gnuanu | hi there... a newbie here... My gnome panel crashed when upgraded from etch to lenny... what should i do? |
| 18:04.51 | ryty_ | fix it? |
| 18:05.01 | gnuanu | somebody said that deleting the .gnome-panel file and reloging will help |
| 18:05.09 | defrysk | restart x |
| 18:05.21 | defrysk | thAT SHOULD DO IT |
| 18:05.22 | pozic | wols: ? |
| 18:05.26 | defrysk | oops |
| 18:05.44 | gnuanu | but i cant see any such files. i have tried rebooting many times... but no use |
| 18:06.01 | wols | pundit: then you only have yourself to blame. /dev is handled by udev. not by you |
| 18:06.14 | wols | pozic: hm |
| 18:06.28 | defrysk | gnuanu, did you finish the upgrade |
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| 18:06.33 | defrysk | '? |
| 18:06.49 | gnuanu | defrysk: yes |
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| 18:07.59 | gnuanu | i have 2 panels in my desktop. one with auto hide... when that one becomes visible, both the panel crashes and not responding |
| 18:08.46 | myk] | how do i mount a flash drive ? |
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| 18:09.39 | defrysk | gnuanu, there is one quick and dirty way but all your settings will be lost |
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| 18:10.26 | gnuanu | defrysk: no problem.. all settings means settings of panels right? it is not at all a problem |
| 18:10.45 | Greek-Boy | how do I pass dpkg paramaters when using apt-get to install a package? |
| 18:10.57 | defrysk | rm -rf ~/.gnome* |
| 18:11.04 | ryty_ | myk]: mount -t vfat /dev/sd[a-z]1 /mnt/usbdrive where [a-z] is the letter of the drive |
| 18:11.15 | Greek-Boy | for example; I want to install the package courier-authlib-dev but i need to pass --with-authvchkpw to it |
| 18:11.17 | defrysk | gnuanu, all settings of all gnome |
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| 18:11.23 | defrysk | will be lost |
| 18:11.28 | myk] | thanks |
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| 18:11.54 | gnuanu | defrysk: there is no way to reset the panels only? :( |
| 18:11.54 | pundit | wols thx about the hint to udev. yes i am to blame myself. however, after reading man udev i cant see a way to restore the original state of how cds are mounted automatically |
| 18:12.16 | wols | pundit: apt-get shows an error |
| 18:12.27 | defrysk | gnuanu, rightclick a panel and select remove |
| 18:12.56 | defrysk | and disable any compiz if you have that setup |
| 18:13.35 | gnuanu | defrysk: no way man... i cant do any thing with both panels once it get crashed. |
| 18:14.10 | gnuanu | when the panel with auto hide gets visible, both panels hangs |
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| 18:14.16 | pundit | wols: no, apt-get does not show an error. it just says to insert a cd. and after i have inserted the cd, it does not do anything, as i have to mount the cd manually |
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| 18:14.46 | defrysk | remove all gnomesetting and start over then with the default setup |
| 18:14.48 | wols | does mount /dev/cdrom work? |
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| 18:15.16 | gnuanu | defrysk: ok... let me try |
| 18:15.25 | Doctor_Nick | Hey, I'm to convince a software maker to switch from a "non commercial, no derivatives" license to a free license, what are some good arguments that I can sway him with? |
| 18:16.57 | abrotman | you mean no forking? or no modifications for the purpose of distribution? |
| 18:17.00 | pundit | wols: no. it does not. i have to type 'mount /dev/cdrom /cdrom' instead |
| 18:17.07 | Doctor_Nick | the 2nd one |
| 18:17.33 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: is it actually useful software? :) |
| 18:17.36 | Doctor_Nick | yes |
| 18:17.47 | Doctor_Nick | this is why im going to the trouble of doing this |
| 18:17.53 | pundit | wols, which is what you obviously meant :S |
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| 18:18.32 | abrotman | in general it's a less free license obviously .. makes it roughly impossible to be included in any distro just because of the no modificaiton bit |
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| 18:19.22 | abrotman | if it were allowed to be included in distros, he may get help writing/maintaining the software ... many more found/fixed bugs etc |
| 18:19.22 | Doctor_Nick | one argument he could make is that he would give special permission to various distrobutions to make modifications |
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| 18:19.29 | wols | pundit: put the cdrom in your fstab then |
| 18:19.32 | abrotman | and he won't be ostracized like the DJB stuff |
| 18:19.41 | Doctor_Nick | and an argument he could make against it is that he relies on donations to make the software |
| 18:19.53 | Doctor_Nick | if there was a fork, he wouldnt be getting those donations |
| 18:20.28 | abrotman | but he may also not need those donations if other donate their time/resources |
| 18:20.28 | wols | Doctor_Nick: not true. derived works must acknowledge the original work for example |
| 18:20.34 | Doctor_Nick | yes |
| 18:20.45 | wols | Doctor_Nick: and there won't be any forks if he behaves. forks are work, unecessary work |
| 18:20.55 | pundit | wols thx :) i think i am getting close to the solution. /etc/fstab has a line starting with /dev/hdc but not with /dev/cdrom ... |
| 18:21.01 | wols | and free software developers are lazy gits |
| 18:21.04 | Doctor_Nick | yes |
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| 18:21.22 | Doctor_Nick | another argument is that he doesnt want his software to be exploited commercially |
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| 18:21.41 | dustybin | what new features will debian lenny have compared to etch? |
| 18:21.48 | Doctor_Nick | IT WILL BE MORE GOODER |
| 18:21.48 | abrotman | dustybin: have to wait for the release notes |
| 18:21.49 | wols | he can still use a noncommercial license but allow modifications |
| 18:21.54 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:21.55 | defrysk | well if its crappy code he might be embarrased |
| 18:21.58 | robinparker | what tool i can use to mount NTFS partitions? |
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| 18:22.05 | abrotman | !tell robinparker about ntfs-3g |
| 18:22.08 | wols | robinparker: read and write or read only? |
| 18:22.14 | Doctor_Nick | wols: I'm thinking more along the lines of that something nefarious happening is extremely rare |
| 18:22.21 | robinparker | read only |
| 18:22.23 | dustybin | will ubuntu eventually be based on debian lenny? |
| 18:22.27 | abrotman | dustybin: ask them |
| 18:22.31 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:22.35 | abrotman | robinparker: then you don't need ntfs-3g |
| 18:22.40 | defrysk | dustybin, what ?? |
| 18:22.48 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: which software is this? |
| 18:22.50 | Doctor_Nick | dustybin: ubuntu is based off of sid, the unstable branch of debian |
| 18:22.53 | robinparker | ntfs-3g is for write as well? that will be cool |
| 18:23.03 | dustybin | Doctor_Nick: oh i didnt know that |
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| 18:23.06 | dustybin | interesting |
| 18:23.07 | Doctor_Nick | abrotman: 14:21 -!- robinparker [n=steelgun@89.250.2.99] has joined #debian |
| 18:23.09 | Doctor_Nick | err |
| 18:23.11 | defrysk | experimantal even |
| 18:23.11 | pundit | wols do you think its the word 'noauto' in the line starting with /dev/hdc in the /etc/fstab? |
| 18:23.13 | Doctor_Nick | http://www.camya.com/eccblog/ |
| 18:23.16 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: yeah .. go that :) |
| 18:23.18 | asg | Doctor_Nick: you may find http://oreilly.com/catalog/osfreesoft/book/ useful also |
| 18:23.28 | pundit | wols or should i add a line starting with /dev/cdrom? |
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| 18:24.01 | wols | pundit: create a symlink for /dev/cdrom in /dev and replace /dev/hdc in your fstab with it |
| 18:24.17 | dustybin | do you think its a waste of time setting up another box for public services at home, such as a webserver? |
| 18:24.25 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: seems like a frontend to MAME |
| 18:24.27 | Doctor_Nick | its a very mature emulator frontend that works on linux |
| 18:24.32 | Doctor_Nick | its a frontend for all emulators |
| 18:24.39 | wols | dustybin: no, but it costs power |
| 18:24.46 | dustybin | wols: exactly |
| 18:25.07 | dustybin | wols: nothing beats the uptime or bandwidth of a web server in a datacentre |
| 18:25.10 | robinparker | Doctor_Nick: anything wrong with me? |
| 18:25.15 | Doctor_Nick | ? |
| 18:25.19 | Doctor_Nick | what? |
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| 18:26.19 | robinparker | does ntfs-3g writes the information without problems? |
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| 18:26.47 | dustybin | but nothing beats the fun of having a pfsense firewall DMZ'ing a public server at home |
| 18:26.53 | pumpkin0 | robinparker: mostly yes, don't do mission critical stuff with it. |
| 18:26.54 | dustybin | confused |
| 18:27.07 | djs | Well, I just got Debian set up. I am surprised that the kernel is only 2.6.18, though. I did an upgrade, and no new kernel. |
| 18:27.14 | wols | dustybin: nothing beats the versatility of a webserver under your desk |
| 18:27.24 | pumpkin0 | djs: do you run etch or lenny ? |
| 18:27.25 | dustybin | indeed |
| 18:27.27 | wols | !tell djs about etchnhalf |
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| 18:28.00 | djs | I do believe I installed etch, because someone was complaining about freezes on lenny earlier. |
| 18:28.11 | wols | djs: with your krenel, yes you did |
| 18:28.14 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: can i laugh at him for using php-gtk ? |
| 18:28.23 | wols | djs: as I told you you can install 2.6.24 via etchnhalf |
| 18:28.32 | djs | Reading now. Thank you. |
| 18:28.36 | Canaris2 | whats the standard kernel for lenny? |
| 18:28.40 | Doctor_Nick | abrotman: no :( |
| 18:28.40 | Canaris2 | 2.6.24? |
| 18:28.46 | defrysk | 2.6.25 |
| 18:28.50 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: i can't find the actual thing to download though |
| 18:28.53 | Canaris2 | thats pretty god |
| 18:28.58 | Canaris2 | good* |
| 18:29.03 | Doctor_Nick | the linux version is down for now |
| 18:29.13 | defrysk | god = good we understand |
| 18:29.18 | Doctor_Nick | you can download the windows version and follow the linux instructions on how to install |
| 18:29.21 | Doctor_Nick | using phpinstall |
| 18:29.39 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: ah gotcha |
| 18:29.47 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: i was really just looking for the LICENSE file |
| 18:29.54 | pundit | wols: first of all after inserting a cd it automatically shows up in gnome, but not in /cdrom ... therefore apt-get cant handle it. currently /dev/cdrom links to /dev/hdc . /cdromo stays empty unless manually mounted. i dont understand what you said last that i should replace /dev/hdc in the fstab with /dev/cdrom? |
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| 18:30.26 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: i'm not really sure what the commercial applications of this would be .. but i guess that's his decision |
| 18:30.30 | robinparker | can anyone recommend me a gnome terminal dark skin, this white is killing my eyes |
| 18:30.36 | dustybin | do you guys think its a good idea to run 2 servers at home, 1 for all your private LAN services, like mythtv, asterisk, zoneminder etc, then having another box in a DMZ running public services like a webserver, rtorrent, irssi etc ? |
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| 18:30.56 | defrysk | robinparker, edit |
| 18:31.06 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: though i also don't see a source download |
| 18:31.07 | asg | dustybin: it is |
| 18:31.12 | wols | pundit: you said there is /dev/hdc in the fstab? |
| 18:31.16 | defrysk | current profile |
| 18:31.17 | Canaris2 | dustybin, if you already have the hardware why not |
| 18:31.22 | Doctor_Nick | abrotman: its in php |
| 18:31.22 | robinparker | how to list the partitions? i want to discover the ntfs in /dev ? |
| 18:31.29 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: the whole application ? |
| 18:31.32 | wols | robinparker: fdisk -l |
| 18:31.33 | Doctor_Nick | so the source is already availibile :p |
| 18:31.34 | Doctor_Nick | yeah |
| 18:31.39 | dustybin | to hell with electricity, im going to do it |
| 18:31.47 | Canaris2 | dustybin, lol |
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| 18:31.50 | abrotman | well .. PHP doesn't imply readable source |
| 18:31.51 | pundit | wols. yes, there is a /dev/hdc in the fstab |
| 18:31.54 | robinparker | wow thans |
| 18:32.04 | wols | pundit: so change it to /dev/cdrom as I told you |
| 18:32.14 | pundit | wols thx i try it |
| 18:32.24 | Doctor_Nick | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m4f14fca5 |
| 18:33.03 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: well . it would appear that if the distros get consent .. then they may be able to redistribute |
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| 18:33.23 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: IANAL though |
| 18:33.23 | Doctor_Nick | I know |
| 18:33.27 | Doctor_Nick | but that's not ideal |
| 18:33.34 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: of course it's not |
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| 18:33.51 | xingu | dustybin: try not to create co-dependancies between the two systems; a neat design goal would be to ensure graceful functional partitioning in the event of either node failing |
| 18:33.57 | robinparker | in gnome (lenny) i have dual head 2 monitors, why i cant move a windows to the another monitor? (the mouse moves between 2 monitors) |
| 18:34.06 | Doctor_Nick | abrotman: its like the firefox-iceweasel brou-ha-ha |
| 18:34.15 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: far worse than that :) |
| 18:34.15 | Doctor_Nick | they would have to get permission every single time they modified it |
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| 18:34.23 | Doctor_Nick | and they couldnt fork it |
| 18:34.27 | pundit | wols i changed the /dev/hdc to /dev/cdrom in the fstab but even now /cdrom stays empty after inserting a cd |
| 18:34.31 | abrotman | i doubt anyone wants to fork it |
| 18:34.40 | pumpkin0 | robinparker: which xorg-version do you use ß |
| 18:34.46 | Doctor_Nick | i know |
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| 18:35.02 | wols | pundit: /dev/cdrom links to /dev/hdc? |
| 18:35.13 | abrotman | you could have him check the F/OSS licenses to see if any agree with him |
| 18:35.17 | pundit | wols yes |
| 18:35.18 | dustybin | xingu: dont tell the debian guys, but i might install freebsd on the public box :P |
| 18:35.26 | abrotman | http://opensource.org/licenses |
| 18:35.32 | Doctor_Nick | yeah |
| 18:35.51 | wols | pundit: probably need to reconfigure your automounter. you could also have two cdrom entries for the same cdrom in fstab |
| 18:35.55 | robinparker | pumpkin0: how to know what xorg i have? |
| 18:35.58 | wols | one with hdc other with cdrom |
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| 18:36.02 | Canaris2 | dustybin, if you only use it for core services + ssh it works sooo good. one of my friends had FreeBSD on his homeserver. absolutelty smooth and no problems |
| 18:36.05 | Canaris2 | thus far that is |
| 18:36.07 | Canaris2 | :) |
| 18:36.13 | wols | robinparker: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
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| 18:36.39 | pundit | wols. pls give me just a hint of how to configure the automounter, any man pages or the like? |
| 18:36.41 | dustybin | Canaris2: freebsd is ideal to run basic stuff like a webserver, ssh, irssi, rtorrent etc on a public box |
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| 18:37.00 | robinparker | xserver-xorg 1:7.3+14 |
| 18:37.01 | wols | !automount |
| 18:37.02 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 18:37.05 | abrotman | Doctor_Nick: short of that .. you could ask #gnu to see if they have any good arguments .. |
| 18:37.11 | Canaris2 | dustybin, u planning on installing packages or compiling it on the box? |
| 18:37.15 | abrotman | !u |
| 18:37.16 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 18:37.18 | wols | abrotman: yeah right |
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| 18:37.25 | Doctor_Nick | pretty much |
| 18:37.28 | abrotman | wols: it was just a suggestion |
| 18:37.34 | Doctor_Nick | !butt |
| 18:37.34 | dpkg | well, butt is not to be confused with but |
| 18:37.35 | abrotman | i don't think debian-legal would be much help |
| 18:37.39 | Doctor_Nick | !fart |
| 18:37.39 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 18:37.43 | wols | abrotman: you're a dirty, evil old man |
| 18:37.44 | Doctor_Nick | oh no |
| 18:37.52 | abrotman | wols: i showered |
| 18:37.54 | dustybin | Canaris2: i havent a clue, never touched freebsd before. ill use debian lenny for my private stuff, and freebsd for public stuff |
| 18:38.05 | asg | abrotman: so you're a clean old man |
| 18:38.07 | wols | abrotman: that kind of dirt can't be scrubbed off |
| 18:38.38 | abrotman | that explains a lot |
| 18:38.42 | dustybin | imagines that some of the people speaking in this room like a bit like richard stallman |
| 18:38.53 | dustybin | *channel |
| 18:38.59 | Canaris2 | dustybin, same here. havent really much experience with FreeBSD. just cause so far everything worked quite well on debian... :-) |
| 18:39.00 | robinparker | wols: xserver-xorg 1:7.3+14 |
| 18:39.17 | wols | robinparker: I didn't ask for the version |
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| 18:39.37 | Igneous | hey, I'm trying to install gpm, but apt wants to remove libgpmg1.. does that sound like a good idea? libgpmg1 seems fairly essential, that is, unless gpm supplies it's own lib |
| 18:39.43 | dustybin | Canaris2: aye there is no point really of me using freebsd, just want to have a little mess around with it |
| 18:40.04 | Canaris2 | btw: whens lenny supposed to be released? |
| 18:40.25 | avu | !wir |
| 18:40.25 | dpkg | [wir] When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 18:40.30 | abrotman | Igneous: running lenny ? |
| 18:40.34 | Igneous | abrotman, sid |
| 18:40.35 | defrysk | <pumpkin0> robinparker: which xorg-version do you use ß |
| 18:40.40 | abrotman | Igneous: last dist-upgrade ? |
| 18:40.43 | Canaris2 | dustybin, yeh same with me. Tried in in virtualbox once, so I didnt have to mess around with my WLAN drivers. worked quite well too |
| 18:40.44 | pundit | wols thx, i see the answer to automount, but how can i ask in for these topics here |
| 18:40.50 | Igneous | oh lawd, quite a while ago |
| 18:40.57 | robinparker | wols: xserver-xorg 1:7.3+14 |
| 18:41.03 | Igneous | at least a week or two |
| 18:41.06 | robinparker | pumpkin0: xserver-xorg 1:7.3+14 |
| 18:41.14 | wols | robinparker: for the LAST time: I did not ask about your X version and I don't care. tell it to whoever did ask you |
| 18:41.16 | dustybin | Canaris2: sometimes i try and see what compares to debian, there is centos, but the package management system sucks, nothing beats debian |
| 18:41.20 | sladi | Hi! After debootrap is it essential t run configure-debian --all ? |
| 18:41.25 | robinparker | wols: sorry darling |
| 18:41.37 | pumpkin0 | robinparker: read it before, don't know why it happens. It sounded like a bug in a much older version. |
| 18:41.42 | defrysk | wols, relax he has figured it out |
| 18:42.16 | robinparker | pumpkin0: im using the xorg delivered in lenny, is yet old? |
| 18:42.26 | Igneous | abrotman, I guess I'll dist-upgrade now, and see what happens. It looks like it'll be ok |
| 18:42.45 | abrotman | Igneous: that might be the reason |
| 18:42.59 | dustybin | is centos a true free GNU distro like debian? |
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| 18:43.09 | Canaris2 | dustybin, so true. i am soo used to apt-get its unreal. :-) I had ubuntu running for a while, but its a bit too bloated with software i dont need. And Lenny looks like its gonna be real good |
| 18:43.11 | pumpkin0 | robinparker: well, lenny changed a lot since the first day. And yes, it had other xorgs. |
| 18:43.32 | dustybin | Canaris2: your better off using testing rather than ubuntu |
| 18:43.37 | Canaris2 | dustybin, I dont think it is. |
| 18:43.40 | dustybin | if you need up to date packages |
| 18:43.48 | pundit | wols, ok i msged dpkg, found this one. thx :) |
| 18:44.00 | Canaris2 | dustybin, have u ever tried ArchLinux? |
| 18:44.04 | defrysk | testing is as stable as ubuntu or better |
| 18:44.16 | dustybin | Canaris2: i dont do distros what are based on anything else, i dont trust them |
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| 18:45.13 | olejorgenb | hm, I can never remember is it stable/testing/unstable, or stable/unstable/testing ? |
| 18:45.16 | Canaris2 | dustybin, i know what u mean. thats why i try most non-debian distros in virtualbox only |
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| 18:45.26 | abrotman | olejorgenb: former |
| 18:45.36 | olejorgenb | and is cat /etc/debian_version = lenny/sid = testing or unstable? |
| 18:45.54 | zinx | lenny/sid are testing/unstable, yes |
| 18:46.05 | wols | !tell olejorgenb about version |
| 18:46.16 | zinx | (for now, anyway) |
| 18:46.29 | abrotman | olejorgenb: look at your sources.list |
| 18:46.31 | robinparker | pumpkin0: do i need to install xinerama? |
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| 18:46.44 | Canaris2 | BRB |
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| 18:46.55 | pundit | wols thx again for your answers. even if wont find the solution regarding the mounting of cdrom i have learned a lot and I am very much closer to the solution |
| 18:46.58 | pundit | :) |
| 18:46.58 | pumpkin0 | robinparker: no.but your /etc/X11/xorg.conf may help. Maybe you did something very strange. |
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| 18:50.19 | olejorgenb | sweet, then I'm on the "right" stage |
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| 18:55.32 | roe_ | do you think it is a big deal to grab some a driver source from lenny and built it on an etch machine? |
| 18:56.03 | CcSsNET | roe it may work fine depends ur method of grabbing |
| 18:56.55 | wols | roe_: not really if the dependencies can be fullfilled or fudged |
| 18:56.57 | CcSsNET | i decided etch was useless after i seen it didnt even recognize gaim as outdated and replaced by pidgin |
| 18:57.03 | wols | roe_: which driver? |
| 18:57.05 | CcSsNET | so lenny is all i use |
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| 18:57.36 | abrotman | CcSsNET: shows what you know |
| 18:57.42 | roe_ | madwifi |
| 18:57.58 | wols | roe_: should work |
| 18:58.03 | CcSsNET | indeed abrotman |
| 18:58.04 | roe_ | ok, thanks |
| 18:58.16 | CcSsNET | go admin something usefull |
| 18:58.22 | abrotman | be better than you doing it |
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| 18:59.15 | abrotman | does the etchnhalf have the ath5k driver? |
| 18:59.27 | abrotman | instead of him mucking with madwifi |
| 18:59.52 | wols | abrotman: didn't you decide how ath5k was useless and not really up to primetime yet? that TX thing? |
| 18:59.56 | wols | it does have ath5k, yes |
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| 19:00.15 | roe_ | etchandahalf has ath5k? |
| 19:00.15 | abrotman | wols: oh yeah .. duh .. it has support for like 1/5 of the madwifi stuff |
| 19:00.20 | abrotman | roe_: yes it does |
| 19:00.21 | roe_ | well that is interesting |
| 19:00.55 | roe_ | it might be work migrating to etchandahalf see if ath5ksupports it and if not build madwifi against that kernel |
| 19:01.09 | abrotman | roe_: if you're on etch .. you already have it .. apt-cache search etchnhalf |
| 19:01.48 | roe_ | I haven't dist-upgraded this box in a while |
| 19:02.00 | roe_ | ever since the keygen bug |
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| 19:02.48 | abrotman | roe_: doesn't require a dist-upgrade .. but you do have to update .. and then specifically install the etchnhalf kernel |
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| 19:03.40 | roe_ | 2.6.24? |
| 19:03.43 | blackflag | Hello all :) |
| 19:03.54 | abrotman | roe_: yes |
| 19:04.40 | curtmack | I moved a wireless card from one PCI slot to another, and now it doesn't work. It shows up on lspci, but ath0 doesn't show up as an actual device. (and before you ask, yes, I have madwifi) |
| 19:05.14 | blackflag | I want to do greylisting on my postfix and want to install "Berkeley DB >= 4.1 (Library)" but can not find it for postgrey. How can I install that over cpan? |
| 19:07.54 | sladi | I expanded a kernel-source but didn't remove the linux link. Is this needed? There was one before pointing to kernel-headers. |
| 19:08.07 | roe_ | curtmack, is ath_pci loaded? |
| 19:08.32 | abrotman | CcSsNET: don't do that |
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| 19:08.59 | abrotman | blackflag: libdb4.1 ? |
| 19:09.03 | robinparker | i still cant move windows between monitors, any clue? xorg + gnome |
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| 19:10.09 | jpinx | I have a hung process during an apt-get install. It's stopped at Unpacking package.deb - how do I get it to either quit or continue? |
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| 19:10.34 | jpinx | it's been unpacking this for about an hour.... |
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| 19:10.37 | blackflag | hmm, I dont know, if this is the correct package, I will try it, moment |
| 19:10.43 | abrotman | jpinx: which package? |
| 19:10.59 | jpinx | sun-java5-bin |
| 19:11.17 | asg | jpinx: anything interesting in /var/log/syslog? |
| 19:11.19 | abrotman | it's not asking you to approve the license? |
| 19:11.57 | jpinx | the license screen came up but would not accept my input |
| 19:12.17 | abrotman | you only have to answer yes/no |
| 19:12.24 | curtmack | roe_: Yes, and I've tried unloading it and reloading it. |
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| 19:12.36 | blackflag | abrotman: this package is installed. Is there a way to get it over cpan? cpan install ....? |
| 19:12.40 | curtmack | (sorry, I was expecting a longer wait before somone said anything :) |
| 19:12.47 | jpinx | it's just says "OK " at the bottom and I could not get the cursor to light that up, and hitting return did nothing |
| 19:12.54 | abrotman | blackflag: uh .. share the error with us |
| 19:13.02 | abrotman | jpinx: tried hitting space bar? |
| 19:13.14 | jpinx | abrotman: yes |
| 19:13.41 | jpinx | and tried up and down arrows, pgup/dn, etc |
| 19:14.18 | jpinx | the screen disappeared, but the install is hung |
| 19:14.27 | abrotman | sounds like it's still waiting |
| 19:14.33 | blackflag | okay: http://pastebin.ca/1097207 |
| 19:15.02 | jpinx | abrotman: yea - but and hour? |
| 19:15.16 | jpinx | it's well over an hour now infact |
| 19:15.25 | pyronik | hey, im new to linux/debian and I need to manage ftp, virtual host, etc, how do you guys feel about webmin? |
| 19:15.27 | abrotman | Superbartt: stop already |
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| 19:15.33 | abrotman | jpinx: i'm saying you goofed it somehow |
| 19:15.42 | abrotman | !tell pyronik about webmin |
| 19:15.48 | jpinx | abrotman: yea - but how do I recover? |
| 19:15.51 | asg | pyronik: /msg dpkg webmin |
| 19:16.08 | abrotman | hit ctrl-c ? |
| 19:16.12 | abrotman | dpkg --configure -a ? |
| 19:16.13 | dpkg | abrotman: are you using Windows? |
| 19:16.20 | Superbartt | yeah excuse me abrotman :) got it fixed now |
| 19:16.20 | abrotman | dpkg: shuddup |
| 19:16.20 | dpkg | Fine, I'll be quiet. |
| 19:16.24 | deus___ | n8 |
| 19:16.34 | jpinx | abrotman - ctrl c and ctrl z do nothing |
| 19:16.37 | pyronik | asg, can you suggest an alternative, so that I can manage my web server? |
| 19:16.46 | asg | pyronik: ssh |
| 19:16.53 | CcSsNET | pyronik ssh! |
| 19:17.07 | pyronik | im not so good at handling everything by ssh |
| 19:17.15 | CcSsNET | then learn :) |
| 19:17.18 | asg | pyronik: then consider this a great opportunity to learn |
| 19:17.21 | blackflag | I followed the instructions here: http://www.howtoforge.com/greylisting_postfix_postgrey |
| 19:17.28 | abrotman | jpinx: hit ctrl-q ? |
| 19:17.39 | pyronik | haha ok thanks guys |
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| 19:17.51 | CcSsNET | pyronix theres cpanel |
| 19:17.55 | blackflag | and I dont know to install - Berkeley DB >= 4.1 (Library) |
| 19:17.56 | CcSsNET | and a few others |
| 19:17.57 | jpinx | abrotman - ctrl-q does nothing either |
| 19:18.06 | abrotman | sounds like it's not waiting |
| 19:18.14 | CcSsNET | but i dont use anything like that its introducing a security threat |
| 19:18.16 | Zeroyez | has anyone found drivers that work with radeon HD 4870? |
| 19:18.32 | jpinx | syslog has nothing relevant that I can see |
| 19:18.38 | pyronik | ill check it out |
| 19:18.46 | asg | jpinx: then it's waiting for input |
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| 19:19.04 | asg | jpinx: kill the process and run 'apt-get -f install' |
| 19:19.08 | jpinx | asg: it's not accepting input |
| 19:19.16 | jpinx | ok - how to kill? |
| 19:19.24 | asg | jpinx: man ps ; man kill |
| 19:19.39 | Zeroyez | oh and on lenny i can't seem to get aptitude remove or apt-get autoremove to work properly, both of them want to remove the entire system if I try to remove anything |
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| 19:20.01 | jpinx | asg: ps does not list it |
| 19:20.18 | jpinx | just bash, man, pager and ps |
| 19:20.36 | abrotman | Zeroyez: define 'everything' |
| 19:20.40 | asg | jpinx: are you running 'ps' as root? |
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| 19:20.58 | jpinx | I wasn't - will do |
| 19:21.11 | jpinx | that gives just ps |
| 19:21.26 | roe__ | my router isn't quite fast enough for irc to survive |
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| 19:21.54 | Zeroyez | well it lists tons of packages that comes up to 540 MB |
| 19:21.58 | olejorgenb | so nvidia-glx is still not available in testing/lenny ? |
| 19:22.13 | Zeroyez | no matter what I try and remove, whether it be gnome-games or openoffice.org |
| 19:23.01 | olejorgenb | !nvidia |
| 19:23.01 | dpkg | To use an NVIDIA graphics card with Debian, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers. If you've done it before, ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder. If using a later release than Etch, ask me about <nvidia_post_etch>. nvidia.com drivers (ie. <nvidia-installer>) are _not_ supported in #debian, please go to #nvidia (irc.freenode.net). |
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| 19:23.17 | CcSsNET | debian being the best opensource distro in my opinion how did there irc get stuck with abrotman :D |
| 19:23.30 | abrotman | CcSsNET: /part |
| 19:23.34 | CcSsNET | :P |
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| 19:25.25 | CcSsNET | olejorgenb |
| 19:25.41 | CcSsNET | i find it easy to setup an etch box with nvidia drivers |
| 19:25.47 | CcSsNET | then do a lenny upgrade |
| 19:25.53 | CcSsNET | then build new kernel |
| 19:25.57 | CcSsNET | and install nvidia again |
| 19:25.59 | jpinx | wierder - I kill a process as user and as rot, but it doesn't die? |
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| 19:26.01 | asg | !enter |
| 19:26.01 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter unecessarily makes it difficult to follow what you are saying. Consider using ',', '. ', ';', '...', '---', or ':' instead. |
| 19:26.05 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 19:26.10 | asg | jpinx: /msg dpkg zombie |
| 19:26.31 | jberg | hey, when i boot debian lenny i get "PCI: cannot allocate resource region 5" at the start of the boot, right after it loads the kernel i think. does anyone know what that is? |
| 19:26.42 | jberg | and then it hangs for maybe 2-5 minutes |
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| 19:27.04 | jpinx | asg: yea - but the parent process is not listed |
| 19:27.30 | asg | jpinx: then you have a genuine zombie that cannot be killed until your reboot the machine. |
| 19:27.32 | Zeroyez | PCI: Bios Bug: MCFG area is not E-820 reserved. |
| 19:27.39 | Zeroyez | PCI: Not using MMCONFIG |
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| 19:27.48 | jpinx | ho -hum - windoze solution - reboot |
| 19:27.51 | Zeroyez | and then I have to wait like 5 minutes for it to boot, how can I fix this |
| 19:28.26 | asg | jpinx: or leave it in its zombie state, kill the lockfile for apt-get and try again. Whatever floats your boat. |
| 19:28.59 | olejorgenb | CcSsNET: thanks, maybe IÃ'll do that next time, but for now I'm not that keen on re-installing. I'll try the unstable/testing mix |
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| 19:29.24 | wols | !tell olejorgenb nvidia_lenny |
| 19:29.43 | wols | !nvidia_lenny |
| 19:29.44 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 19:30.00 | CcSsNET | np olejorgenb |
| 19:30.01 | asg | !unstable/testing mix is <reply>Why does it hurt when I pee |
| 19:30.01 | dpkg | asg: okay |
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| 19:31.18 | screamingbytes | jberg: whats the output of uname -r? |
| 19:31.43 | jberg | screamingbytes: hmm im not on the debian pc now, but its the default from lenny |
| 19:31.49 | jberg | 2.6.24 i think |
| 19:31.54 | CcSsNET | 25.2 |
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| 19:32.02 | abrotman | neither? |
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| 19:32.20 | screamingbytes | jberg: well i found a few possibilities from google, but it would help if you were on the box. |
| 19:32.20 | CcSsNET | abrotman u use default u should know |
| 19:32.33 | screamingbytes | jberg: try google'ing the error when you get to the box |
| 19:32.45 | abrotman | yes, clearly short-bus special |
| 19:32.57 | olejorgenb | !nvidia_post_etch |
| 19:32.57 | dpkg | nvidia_post_etch is, like, update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 19:33.16 | abrotman | olejorgenb: you want the nvidia_lenny stuff above about 20 lines up |
| 19:33.26 | peter_12 | what is the difference between programs in /usr/bin and /opt ? |
| 19:33.26 | jberg | screamingbytes: yes i've been googling it a bit now. i've seen someone said turning off mmconfig might work |
| 19:33.41 | olejorgenb | abrotman: but it said to follow post_etch ? |
| 19:33.41 | wols | peter_12: /usr/bin are debian programs. /opt aren't |
| 19:34.00 | abrotman | olejorgenb: oh .. yes .. /msg dpkg foo .. try not to fill the channel |
| 19:34.11 | olejorgenb | ah, thatÃ's a good idea |
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| 19:34.48 | curtmack | I moved a wireless card from one PCI slot to another, and now it doesn't work. It shows up on lspci, but ath0 doesn't show up as an actual device. (and before you ask, yes, I have madwifi) |
| 19:35.36 | curtmack | oh, and I should mention: lspci doesn't just displays it as "device" instead of the usual "Atheros network blah blah" |
| 19:35.45 | abrotman | curtmack: does dmesg say anything ? |
| 19:36.04 | jpinx | ok - rerestarted the apt-get, but it's hung in the same place, not accepting my OK to the license |
| 19:36.21 | abrotman | curtmack: some computers "share" slots .. and some devices don't like that .. i had an old system where i couldn't put the sound card in slot 4 or it just wouldn't work or show up |
| 19:37.04 | curtmack | what should I be looking for in dmesg? |
| 19:37.30 | abrotman | something that would indicate it's loading the driver |
| 19:38.09 | abrotman | AFAIK .. udev doesn't care about the position on the bus |
| 19:38.20 | Zeroyez | anyone know how to uninstall ATi Catalyst & display drivers? |
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| 19:38.42 | Zeroyez | there's no uninstallation instructions on ati's site |
| 19:38.57 | peter_12 | wols: what makes a program a "debian program"? |
| 19:39.12 | wols | peter_12: it comes from a debian.org mirror as a .deb |
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| 19:40.22 | grand_grunt | Zeroyez: there may be a uninstall option in ati's .run, try ./ati-gnagna....run --help to see |
| 19:40.51 | dob1 | hi, i can't complete a dist-upgrade, i have a problem with a package, this is http://rafb.net/p/qpg8s674.html , how can i resolve? |
| 19:41.17 | dob1 | can i force it to overwrite? |
| 19:41.27 | peter_12 | wols: so if I want to install software that is in a .deb package but that is not from a debian.org mirror it goes in opt. |
| 19:41.31 | abrotman | !tell dob1 about overwrite |
| 19:41.36 | peter_12 | doesn't that make that software "second class" in some sense? |
| 19:41.49 | wols | peter_12: no. it depends how the deb package was made |
| 19:41.51 | asg | peter_12: no, just unmanaged by the system |
| 19:42.21 | wols | peter_12: anything that is not in debian is 2nd class. can't be otherwise since only stuff in debian can be known by debian the project and made to work with the other software |
| 19:42.34 | Zeroyez | ok thanks |
| 19:42.35 | wols | that's a limitation of any distro |
| 19:42.49 | dob1 | thanks abrotman seems to work now |
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| 19:43.52 | peter_12 | asg: by "unmanaged by the system" you mean unmanaged by dpkg? |
| 19:44.16 | wols | yes he does |
| 19:44.29 | wols | tho if you install a .deb it is not unmanaged |
| 19:44.44 | wols | even if it's not from debian, but there can be problems then, or at least problems are more likely |
| 19:44.54 | peter_12 | hmm. Interesting |
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| 19:45.06 | peter_12 | would the red hat people, for example, also suggest the same convention? |
| 19:45.18 | wols | probably |
| 19:45.23 | peter_12 | if I download source for some random command line tool, should I ensure I do something like ".configure -perfix=/opt"? The instructions never suggest that. |
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| 19:45.36 | asg | peter_12: they do, people, unfortunately, install rpms from all sorts of suspect places. |
| 19:45.37 | wols | suse tho did put stuff like kde in /opt before even when it came from the distro |
| 19:45.40 | wols | but suse are morons of course |
| 19:45.54 | peter_12 | haha |
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| 19:46.23 | roe_ | I hate mucking with my router, up and down, up and down all day |
| 19:46.33 | peter_12 | For example, I installed the expat library on my mac and it just went straight into /usr/local/lib |
| 19:46.36 | asg | roe_: porn stars say the same thing |
| 19:46.56 | roe_ | I think they have more fun than me though |
| 19:47.27 | asg | probably not |
| 19:47.30 | roe_ | keith, you here or just bouncing? |
| 19:47.31 | Zeroyez | k now how do I install this fglrx thing that someone was talking about |
| 19:47.50 | Jyzygzy- | why was /dev/dsp my microphone? |
| 19:47.57 | wols | Zeroyez: for hd4870 you need at least sid fglrx. maybe even directly from ati |
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| 19:48.02 | Similian | hello |
| 19:48.10 | wols | Zeroyez: fglrx is the driver directly from ati |
| 19:48.15 | Zeroyez | oh |
| 19:48.24 | Similian | can i add drivers during net install via USB ? |
| 19:48.43 | wols | Similian: sort of. which drivers? |
| 19:48.49 | Similian | Network :) |
| 19:48.51 | dob1 | about this warning http://rafb.net/p/zueW4C22.html is safe to disable it as it say ? |
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| 19:48.57 | wols | Similian: more precise please |
| 19:49.34 | Zeroyez | well I just installed the latest catalyst drivers and everything from the ati website, but they don't have support for the 4800 series |
| 19:49.48 | Zeroyez | so is there an alternative or do I have to wait a while? |
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| 19:49.59 | Similian | Iam sorry ... I would like to add my BroadCom NetExtreme Drivers to my netinstallation since it does not recognize any NICs and I cannot procceed .. I dont have a floppy drive to add drivers ... |
| 19:50.28 | asg | dob1: it's safe to disable write caching but you will take a performance hit. |
| 19:50.30 | wols | Similian: netinst doesn't need the internet to install a full dbeian |
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| 19:50.51 | Similian | I installed and I couldt build the drivers later on |
| 19:50.54 | dob1 | asg: it's a new feature? why i get this warning now? |
| 19:50.55 | wols | Zeroyez: they do have support for 4800 series or so the reviews said |
| 19:50.57 | Similian | it said make not found |
| 19:51.10 | petemc | Similian: which installer are you using? |
| 19:51.14 | asg | dob1: if you are running something post-etch, I have no idea. |
| 19:51.31 | wols | Similian: with the usb method you have to build the drivers first too. can't install it via source on dbeian netinst install :) |
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| 19:51.51 | Similian | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:52.00 | dob1 | asg: the filesystem is not journaled ? |
| 19:52.01 | Zeroyez | OpenGL vendor string: Mesa project: www.mesa3d.org |
| 19:52.01 | Zeroyez | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect |
| 19:52.02 | abrotman | make? |
| 19:52.24 | Zeroyez | from fglrxinfo |
| 19:52.24 | Similian | ayeee ... I see |
| 19:52.32 | asg | dob1: it depends on the filesystem. That messages is likely related to the caching performed by the disk controller |
| 19:52.39 | Similian | Is there a debian minimal with gcc & make ? |
| 19:52.49 | Similian | so i can build them after install |
| 19:52.50 | Zeroyez | if that has anything to do with it, cause these drivers are not even close to detecting my card |
| 19:52.55 | petemc | Similian: there are drivers for that nic in the debian installers kernel |
| 19:53.25 | dob1 | asg: ok, but what i want to understan is, it was always enabled and now i get this warning, or something new has enabled it ? |
| 19:53.49 | Similian | Broadcom yes but not NetExtreme ... or am I missing something |
| 19:53.55 | petemc | bnx2 |
| 19:54.01 | asg | dob1: have you upgraded anything recently? |
| 19:54.05 | Similian | Iam just pressing enter on it |
| 19:54.07 | Similian | one sec |
| 19:54.12 | dob1 | asg: this one is a testing/unstable |
| 19:54.23 | wols | Zeroyez: these drivers weren't loaded most probably. you have to explicitly load them via xorg.conf I guess |
| 19:54.41 | asg | dob1: then it's probably some new functionality. |
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| 19:54.49 | Zeroyez | can you tell me how please? |
| 19:54.52 | Similian | flashes and nothing |
| 19:54.52 | petemc | Similian: you shouldnt have to do anything to make it work, tho i have ran into some odd issues with that module, let it finish the install and reboot and see if it works then |
| 19:54.52 | DawnLight | i've an idea to improve APT. where can i suggest it? |
| 19:55.00 | Similian | ok |
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| 19:55.12 | Similian | If not where can I get make ? |
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| 19:55.27 | asg | dob1: check the changelog of the package that generates the warning and see if anything interesting is mentioned. The BTS may also help. |
| 19:55.34 | wols | !tell Similian about apt-zip |
| 19:55.46 | wols | Similian: just get build-essnetial and the linux-header files |
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| 19:55.52 | klync | anyone familiar with the zope3 pkg? i'm trying to setup an instance as a non-root user, but get a chown error |
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| 19:56.05 | petemc | wols: did you miss the part where i said thats not necessary? |
| 19:56.10 | dob1 | asg: i prefer to disable it, i don't want to risk the database integrity, but it is sufficient to use that command one time or every time i reboot? |
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| 19:57.13 | asg | dob1: everytime you reboot but there is probably a config in /etc/default for options to pass to hdparm. If not, you can create your own init.d script (see /etc/init.d/skeleton for an example) |
| 19:57.22 | wols | petemc: no. cause there have been people coming in here who said the drivers for those broadcom cards are missing in newer kernels |
| 19:57.28 | wols | debian kernels that is |
| 19:57.41 | abrotman | tg3 ? |
| 19:57.41 | wols | petemc: is the driver you think of tg3? |
| 19:57.46 | petemc | no, bnx2 |
| 19:58.13 | dob1 | asg: ok thanks |
| 19:58.25 | Jyzygzy- | oh wow weird |
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| 20:03.02 | Similian | I need tg3 |
| 20:03.14 | Similian | reboot dindt help |
| 20:03.18 | Similian | stuck with no eth |
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| 20:04.53 | Similian | build-essental and linux-header |
| 20:04.55 | Similian | ok |
| 20:05.03 | klync | anyone familiar with the zope3 pkg? i'm trying to setup an instance as a non-root user, but get a chown error ... this seems to have been reported as bug 431484 which was fixed |
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| 20:07.11 | Tenkawa | Anyone know if theres an installer image made to handle the new ICH9R E1000? |
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| 20:07.46 | abrotman | maybe etchnhalf |
| 20:08.01 | abrotman | if not .. /msg dpkg kmuto .. see if his do it .. |
| 20:08.23 | Similian | does the debian cd 1 have Build-Essentials and Linux-Headers |
| 20:08.32 | CcSsNET | abrotman are u paid to be here? |
| 20:08.36 | CcSsNET | just curious |
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| 20:08.54 | wols | Similian: the full CD1 does IIRC |
| 20:08.58 | wols | !CD content |
| 20:08.58 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, use the searchable index at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search or download the .jigdo template from the same location and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. Also ask me about <cd contents sarge>. |
| 20:09.11 | wols | CcSsNET: no one is paid here |
| 20:09.49 | abrotman | well .. some people are paid while here :) |
| 20:09.59 | Similian | wonderful thanks :) |
| 20:10.07 | wols | abrotman: that's different :) |
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| 20:11.58 | jpinx | who writes dpkg responses? |
| 20:12.13 | DynV | I'm having trouble seeing subtitles from AVI file format in VLC, is there a plugin I should also enable or another program in order to see subtitles ? |
| 20:12.23 | abrotman | jpinx: lots of people |
| 20:12.42 | asg | !factinfo testing/unstable mix |
| 20:12.42 | dpkg | testing/unstable mix -- last modified at Fri Mar 28 20:51:52 2008 by chealer!~chealer@dsl-67-55-13-20.acanac.net; it has been requested 14 times, last by jelly at Thu Jul 31 07:03:48 2008. |
| 20:13.16 | jpinx | appreciates dpkg a lot - saves some embarrasing questions ;) |
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| 20:13.36 | asg | jpinx: and a lot of monotony |
| 20:13.56 | GeorgeS069 | Does anyone know of a How-To or help file to help me get the netfilter-extensions-source package installed on a Lenny beta 2 system? |
| 20:13.58 | Similian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.03 | DynV | I see from VLC information that the subtitle layer is existing. |
| 20:14.08 | abrotman | !tell Similian about cd contents |
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| 20:15.41 | nareshov | Hi, anyone on debian lenny and intel graphics facing X server lockup recently? |
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| 20:16.23 | Zeroyez | how do I add the fglrx drivers to xorg.conf? |
| 20:17.33 | dude | Zeroyez: "section device" driver "fglrx" |
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| 20:18.12 | Similian | well this jigdo ist most amazingly confusing |
| 20:18.16 | DynV | thios is what I get from VLC messages when I enable the subtitles : http://pastebin.com/d61e3cba4 |
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| 20:18.43 | Similian | I just wanted to know the content of an amd64 Etch Cd1 |
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| 20:19.08 | abrotman | nareshov: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=xserver-xorg-video-intel ? |
| 20:20.22 | VITAL_28_Brazil | How install codecs of windowsmediaplayer10 in icewasel? |
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| 20:20.24 | Zeroyez | k and how do I restart xserver? without restarting my computer since it takes 10 minutes to boot with all the kernel problems |
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| 20:20.53 | dude | "ctrl" "alt" "bkspace" |
| 20:20.54 | abrotman | Zeroyez: using gdm or kdm ? |
| 20:20.58 | DynV | Similian: give me a few mins, I'll list my cd |
| 20:21.04 | ninix | hi, is there a way to fix this in /etc/fstab/, debootstrap error: '/media/SVICIOUS/pbuilder/hardy-i386.cow/.' mounted with noexec or nodev |
| 20:21.06 | DynV | err DVD |
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| 20:24.01 | Similian | its fine Ill just try the dvd |
| 20:24.05 | Similian | thankyou very much |
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| 20:26.07 | VITAL_28_Brazil | How to install codecs of windowsmediaplayer in Icewasel? |
| 20:27.15 | micols | VITAL_28_Brazil: mplayer plugin |
| 20:27.17 | abrotman | you were already told |
| 20:27.28 | abrotman | VITAL_28_Brazil: if you're going to ask on two networks .. maybe you should follow both |
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| 20:29.02 | DynV | I'm having trouble seeing subtitles from AVI file format in VLC, is there a plugin I should also enable or another program in order to see subtitles ? |
| 20:29.31 | dude101 | DynV: did you google? |
| 20:30.22 | DynV | dude101: yup |
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| 20:30.51 | nareshov | abrotman: w00t, lots of lockups ;l |
| 20:30.57 | Zeroyez | ok, adding driver "fglrx" to xorg.conf was not a good idea |
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| 20:31.18 | abrotman | nareshov: i actually had it crash on me today .. first time in a long time that it wasn't GL related .. and it took out DRI in the process |
| 20:31.32 | Zeroyez | had to boot to windows to remove it :( |
| 20:31.36 | nareshov | happened twice today |
| 20:31.43 | nareshov | while trying to play scorch3d ;l |
| 20:31.52 | abrotman | nareshov: right .. non-gl things :) |
| 20:31.56 | nareshov | the last time it happened was when I clicked on an old tab in iceweasel |
| 20:32.00 | xand | yo. |
| 20:32.07 | abrotman | nareshov: i've had a few GL apps kill it .. though i've not done more research as to why |
| 20:32.08 | nareshov | ho. |
| 20:32.15 | xand | bo. |
| 20:32.20 | asg | morons |
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| 20:32.23 | nareshov | lol |
| 20:32.27 | abrotman | thundercats go! |
| 20:32.29 | nareshov | D: |
| 20:32.32 | asg | abrotman: s/go/ho/ |
| 20:32.44 | abrotman | we already used that! |
| 20:32.55 | cr3rzemjest | hi why can't you grep sometimes? like output of command when u wrong type options? and also with --help option? |
| 20:33.05 | dude101 | DynV: http://wiki.videolan.org/Common_Problems#Subtitles_Problem |
| 20:33.06 | xand | cr3rzemjest: because it's on stderr |
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| 20:33.28 | abrotman | he could redirect stderr to stdout i suppose |
| 20:33.28 | dude101 | DynV: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=168379 |
| 20:33.35 | DawnLight | i've an idea to improve APT. where can i suggest it? |
| 20:34.28 | klync | ... |
| 20:35.17 | Zeroyez | well ext2ifs stopped working, i need to get that driver "fglrx" outta my xorg.conf, is there any kind of key combination that will make debian boot into a terminal instead of gdm? |
| 20:35.20 | DynV | dude101: it's encoded in the movie, I can see the layer in the info |
| 20:35.38 | dude101 | extract the subs then |
| 20:35.47 | Zeroyez | if it does then my screen just goes black and my computer goes unresponsive and reboots after 30 seconds |
| 20:36.00 | DynV | dude101: I'm unfamilliar, you have a suggestion ? |
| 20:37.38 | asg | Zeroyez: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 20:37.39 | dude101 | DynV: i think that you will have to extract the subs, then select the extracted sub file and play it independently. |
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| 20:38.06 | DynV | dude101: thanks, you know a program that does that ? |
| 20:38.22 | DynV | it's an AVI file |
| 20:38.54 | Zeroyez | where's the fN key |
| 20:38.55 | asg | Zeroyez: and if you can't get to the point to do the bits in the factoid, pass 'single' to the kernel on boot. |
| 20:39.03 | asg | Zeroyez: f1, f2, f3 ... |
| 20:39.10 | Zeroyez | oh rofl |
| 20:39.30 | asg | Zeroyez: in that case, it's probably a blue thing in the lower left hand corner |
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| 20:39.42 | Zeroyez | k |
| 20:39.58 | klync | Zeroyez: there's a great rescue cd called "insert", i like to keep a copy around fwiw |
| 20:40.06 | dude101 | DynV: have you tried mplayer |
| 20:40.15 | DynV | dude101: yes |
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| 20:41.01 | Tenkawa | Anyone running an Intel DP35DP motherboard? |
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| 20:41.16 | pyronik | forgive me if this sounds stupid still new to this, but how do i get the bash only version of debian |
| 20:41.33 | pyronik | or do you turn the gui on and off |
| 20:42.13 | asg | pyronik: /msg dpkg nodm ; /msg dpkg startx |
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| 20:43.39 | pyronik | thanks |
| 20:43.43 | dude101 | DynV: just get a better avi file, if you can or the dvd |
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| 20:44.25 | DynV | dude101: k, thanks for your help :) |
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| 20:44.59 | screamingbytes | afternoon all. Im trying to set a bg pic and x,y to my tty's, F1-F4. Does this comment3rd from the top mean it can't be done on deb or just not with splashy. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/wiki/roadmap |
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| 20:45.33 | kannon | someone use xen? |
| 20:45.50 | pyronik | so from that, i can't just disable it |
| 20:45.51 | dude101 | #xen |
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| 20:47.22 | robinparker | anything bettr than beryl for gnome? |
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| 20:48.17 | pozic | robinparker: not using beryl? |
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| 20:48.29 | amphi | beryl is dead and starting to smell |
| 20:50.00 | abrotman | dead like bsd! :) |
| 20:51.45 | dude101 | WoW |
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| 20:51.59 | screamingbytes | amphi: ive only seen compiz |
| 20:52.12 | screamingbytes | amphi: other than beryl |
| 20:52.52 | pozic | abrotman: bsd is undeadly when compared to beryl. |
| 20:53.39 | abrotman | i was kidding |
| 20:54.04 | netdaemon | eh |
| 20:54.22 | netdaemon | long live bsd? |
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| 21:00.01 | screamingbytes | anyone know of a program or tools i can read about for putting pic's on my consol's, not in X |
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| 21:00.33 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: there are various vga mode and fb display programs |
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| 21:06.28 | screamingbytes | dondelelcaro: ive been trying it with splashy but im pretty sure its not implemented yet. can you recommend a couple i can read about? |
| 21:06.37 | robinparker | ok symfony setup |
| 21:06.39 | robinparker | now what? |
| 21:06.42 | robinparker | oh forgot the editor |
| 21:06.46 | robinparker | gvim? |
| 21:06.49 | robinparker | ok testing |
| 21:07.11 | becker_11 | I ran apt-get dist-upgrade yesterday on my lappie and now after a reboot I get a graphical login screen but after that nothing. The best I've gotten so far is the fail safe terminal.... I tried startx but it said gnome no found ... what next?? |
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| 21:09.05 | dondelelcaro | screamingbytes: uh... splashy is quite a bit different than displaying on an fb |
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| 21:11.07 | becker_11 | This is the error messsage I'm getting <Could not find the Gnome installation running the failsafe terminal instead> |
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| 21:12.34 | becker_11 | is it as simple as running apt-get install gnome-desktop ?? or is that an over simplification |
| 21:13.23 | screamingbytes | dondelelcaro: I know but it claims it can do it. |
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| 21:14.19 | screamingbytes | dondelelcaro: ive just never attempted to put a pic/bg on my console windows / tty's so i don't really know where to start. Most google responses are about splash screen's and bugs. Or very outdated software stuff |
| 21:14.42 | screamingbytes | dondelelcaro: so im just looking for a starting point/direction. Ill go read |
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| 21:16.41 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 21:16.41 | dpkg | To install GNOME on sarge or later, install the 'gnome' package to install everything, the 'gnome-desktop-environment' package for slightly less stuff, or the 'gnome-core' package for even less. You will need X installed as well, ask me about <set up x>. |
| 21:16.52 | abrotman | probably want to install xorg too |
| 21:17.03 | vorpal | a bg image on your terminal? *puke* |
| 21:17.23 | dondelelcaro | it'd probably be ok if you weren't actually using the vt |
| 21:17.43 | vorpal | OK, that makes sense ;-) |
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| 21:19.03 | abrotman | and then you would want an image there because .. ? |
| 21:19.34 | becker_11 | ok brb |
| 21:19.34 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: because you want to waste electricity and burn in monitors? |
| 21:19.48 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: you want to advertise on vts? |
| 21:20.36 | abrotman | would think it would be less effort to use eog/feh in fullscreen |
| 21:20.59 | vorpal | similarly, i don't understand the purpose of window transparency. when a window is in the foreground, i want to see it as clearly as possible |
| 21:21.39 | netdaemon | <smart ass remark>i like seeing through my windows, isn't that the purpose of them!</smart ass remark> |
| 21:21.47 | vorpal | hehe |
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| 21:22.49 | dondelelcaro | vorpal: sometimes that has a point if you're monitoring things |
| 21:23.44 | ninix | what date lenny is supposed to be released ? |
| 21:23.50 | dondelelcaro | ninix: when it's ready |
| 21:24.03 | dondelelcaro | ninix: there's never a release date for any debian release |
| 21:24.06 | ninix | no date given by developers ? |
| 21:24.11 | ninix | kk |
| 21:24.25 | vorpal | dondelelcaro: perhaps, a tiled arrangement is better. i use compiz fusion's "wall" thingy, where you can zoom out to see all your desktops |
| 21:24.26 | dondelelcaro | it'll release on a weekend when it's ready |
| 21:24.35 | ninix | ok |
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| 21:26.35 | daeron | hello, i have problem with debian installation, i can't install debian both from USB drive and from CD, I have IBM thinkpad T41, both installation just don't boot. |
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| 21:27.09 | dondelelcaro | ninix: though, that said, if you'd like a date given by a developer, I could give you one. |
| 21:27.21 | dondelelcaro | ninix: it'd just be wrong, though. |
| 21:27.41 | daeron | then i try to install it from USB i have "boot error" error :) |
| 21:28.18 | esaym | where can I find info about tmpfs in fstab? |
| 21:28.24 | esaym | I want to know what all it does and what arguments it can take |
| 21:28.27 | dondelelcaro | daeron: the T41 may not boot off of usb; it should boot off of cd. |
| 21:28.43 | dondelelcaro | esaym: man mount; read about tmfs |
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| 21:28.49 | dondelelcaro | s/tmfs/tmpfs/ |
| 21:29.05 | daeron | dondelelcaro: problem is that it can't boot from cd either |
| 21:29.26 | dondelelcaro | daeron: what's the precise problem? I've installed a T41 from cd before, so I know it works in general. |
| 21:30.10 | daeron | dondelelcaro: well, i'm aware of that but mayby you have any idea what's causing that? |
| 21:30.22 | daeron | *maybe ^.^ |
| 21:31.07 | esaym | ok but does tmpfs go to ram or swap? |
| 21:32.21 | daeron | dondelelcaro: have you used netinst? |
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| 21:32.42 | daeron | dondelelcaro: when you installed debian on T41 |
| 21:33.09 | stew | a t41 will boot off usb. i've installed to a t41 from a usb key |
| 21:33.54 | daeron | using netinst? |
| 21:34.05 | dondelelcaro | sure |
| 21:34.11 | dondelelcaro | there's no real difference. |
| 21:34.16 | daeron | :/ |
| 21:34.26 | daeron | so i don't know what to do now |
| 21:34.48 | daeron | i have simply no idea how to solve this problem |
| 21:35.07 | stew | daeron: do you have other machines that can boot this cd image (to determine if it is a problem with the machine or the image) |
| 21:35.39 | daeron | yes, i've already tested this usb key |
| 21:35.43 | daeron | it boots on other machines |
| 21:35.57 | daeron | so image is fine |
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| 21:38.44 | daeron | may it be problem with bios? |
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| 21:43.21 | ramirez_ | Does Debian "reserve" memory or something? When I do free, my server tells me that it's using 3883 megs of 4024 megs RAM, but when i check all of my processes with ps aux, it isn't using nearly 100% of RAM (more like 10-20% at tops) |
| 21:43.26 | ramirez_ | and there's no swapping either |
| 21:43.39 | ramirez_ | i'm not sure if i should be worried |
| 21:43.40 | abrotman | !free |
| 21:43.40 | dpkg | well, free is defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
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| 21:44.13 | ramirez_ | ah |
| 21:44.19 | ramirez_ | that's what it meant |
| 21:44.30 | blackflag | Hello all :) I want to do greylisting on my debian etch and running in some problems. I followed instructions here: http://www.howtoforge.com/greylisting_postfix_postgrey and have the problem that postgrey is not starting. I have the error: http://pastebin.ca/1097207 . |
| 21:44.33 | ramirez_ | so there's 3762 free in the buffer |
| 21:44.44 | ramirez_ | thanks :) |
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| 21:45.09 | blackflag | can someone help? |
| 21:45.26 | abrotman | blackflag: and you have libdb4.1 installed ? |
| 21:45.41 | blackflag | yes, its installed: |
| 21:46.25 | blackflag | i libdb4.1 - Berkeley v4.1 Database Libraries [runtime] |
| 21:47.37 | blackflag | I tried reinstalling it without success -- all the same |
| 21:47.50 | daeron | hah, quite funny |
| 21:48.06 | daeron | i can install ubuntu on my pc but i can't install debian nor openSUSE |
| 21:48.07 | daeron | ^.^ |
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| 21:48.46 | daeron | it's giving me headache |
| 21:48.48 | ramirez_ | blackflag that's not an error, it's just a warning |
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| 21:49.12 | daeron | how could it happen? ^.^ anyone have any idea? |
| 21:49.17 | blackflag | yes, but postgrey is nor starting |
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| 21:49.46 | blackflag | ahh, moment its seems its running |
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| 21:50.10 | ramirez_ | "- Berkeley DB >= 4.1 (Library) " <-- according to the howtoforge article, it seems that you have 3.2 |
| 21:50.34 | gkffjcs | I have a package that is set to "manually installed" how do i set it back so that it's managed by apt? |
| 21:51.48 | blackflag | hmm, its running now, dont know why I had that problem. |
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| 21:56.22 | robinparker | whats the best torrent client for gnome? |
| 21:56.33 | amphi | rtorrent ;) |
| 21:58.09 | abrotman | tranmission is gnome-ish .. if you don't want much control |
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| 21:59.13 | robinparker | abrotman: thanks... yeah i dont need to transfer huge things, just some thingies |
| 21:59.29 | abrotman | robinparker: it has a systray thingie too |
| 21:59.35 | abrotman | likes to use technical terms |
| 21:59.43 | robinparker | yeh looks sexy |
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| 22:03.26 | dcestari | hello, anyone using xen? |
| 22:04.04 | abrotman | ask your real question |
| 22:04.14 | dcestari | abrotman: sorry. |
| 22:04.23 | dcestari | I want to use vga=792 on my xen grub line |
| 22:04.41 | dcestari | so I tryed with xen's special format "vga=gfx-1024x768x16" |
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| 22:04.50 | michael_1 | anyone has had any problems with dpt_i2o under high load, it keeps reseting my scsi bus? |
| 22:04.51 | dcestari | but it doesn't work |
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| 22:07.21 | cheekee | Does SID still exist? |
| 22:07.28 | abrotman | exist? yes |
| 22:07.35 | robinparker | sid = lenny? |
| 22:07.41 | dcestari | nop robinparker |
| 22:07.46 | robinparker | what is lenny? |
| 22:07.47 | dcestari | sid = unstable, lenny = testing |
| 22:07.52 | robinparker | thanks |
| 22:07.54 | dcestari | lenny is debian's testing distributio |
| 22:07.56 | dcestari | n* |
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| 22:08.51 | jberg | hmm, so can i get kde 4.1 out of the box with lenny? |
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| 22:08.56 | abrotman | no |
| 22:09.08 | hesco | what package will give me cc? |
| 22:09.15 | abrotman | !b-e hesco |
| 22:09.15 | dpkg | hesco: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
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| 22:09.30 | tubbybastard | does imap, imaps, pop3, pop3s, or smtp require udp? |
| 22:09.31 | jberg | abrotman: okay. do i have to compile it from source? |
| 22:09.57 | abrotman | !tell jberg about kde4 |
| 22:09.59 | hesco | thanks, that's a neat trick abrotman! |
| 22:10.05 | abrotman | hesco: trick indeed |
| 22:10.24 | hesco | yes, indeed |
| 22:10.33 | jberg | ok thanks abrotman |
| 22:12.10 | dustybin | how much money does cost for a socket 370 pentium III 733 machine, with 512megs RAM, 1 HD, 1 PCI card, to stay on 24.7? |
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| 22:13.04 | abrotman | 42 |
| 22:13.14 | dustybin | 42 watts? |
| 22:13.17 | abrotman | 42 |
| 22:13.22 | dustybin | ? |
| 22:13.30 | abrotman | !42 |
| 22:13.31 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything. or 6 * 8 or hexadecimal for ascii 'B' or 10!/86400, or what you get when you multiply 6 by 9. (base 13), or a number that silly people use, or the number of roads a man walks down. in Douglas Adams' book, or *not* the meaning of life |
| 22:13.40 | dustybin | :P |
| 22:14.03 | abrotman | dustybin: google or ##hardware would probably be better place to ask |
| 22:14.23 | dustybin | do any of you guys have 2 servers on 24.7 at home? |
| 22:14.39 | Guerin | does |
| 22:14.47 | cheekee | Ok I must be 42 today i was wondering how old I was |
| 22:14.55 | michael_1 | yes i got 400W on 24.7 |
| 22:15.09 | dustybin | michael_1: 1 server? |
| 22:15.11 | michael_1 | but i have to work my ass off to pay for it, im a student :) |
| 22:15.13 | abrotman | dustybin: of course .. you assume they live under the same power company as you |
| 22:15.32 | michael_1 | yes dustybin server, and 230W workstation on 24.7 |
| 22:15.34 | dustybin | very true |
| 22:15.36 | Guerin | or on the same continent |
| 22:15.39 | abrotman | dustybin: i'd really suggest you ask google how many w/kw per month .. and do the math |
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| 22:16.04 | dustybin | i dont see the point of keeping a desktop on 24.7, now thats a waste of leccy unless your on it 24.7 |
| 22:16.51 | olejorgenb | can I assume that linux-image-2.6.26-1-686 > 2.6.26-rc6, or does 1 refer to rc1 ? |
| 22:17.05 | abrotman | olejorgenb: first ABI release |
| 22:17.10 | dcestari | how do I connect to a wpa from cli? I have no gui |
| 22:17.17 | daeron | hah, i've finally booted Debian on my thinkpad |
| 22:17.18 | michael_1 | dustybin: yes, it only runs my home stereo, i dont use it 24/7 |
| 22:17.22 | michael_1 | i use my laptop 24/7 :) |
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| 22:17.33 | michael_1 | sleep with it on the couch, thats evolution. |
| 22:17.40 | abrotman | olejorgenb: no real relation to the kernel.org revision numbers after the x.x.xx |
| 22:17.41 | daeron | full CD worked well :) |
| 22:17.43 | abrotman | AFAIK anyways |
| 22:17.47 | amphi | !prize daeron |
| 22:17.47 | dpkg | gives daeron a beer. |
| 22:18.02 | daeron | thx :P |
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| 22:18.12 | amphi | what thinkpad? |
| 22:18.21 | olejorgenb | abrotman: thanks, so I cant be sure that a patch included in rc6 will be in the 2.6.26-1 image then? |
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| 22:18.38 | daeron | IBM thinkpad - it's laptop ;P |
| 22:18.43 | abrotman | olejorgenb: did it make it into the final version ? |
| 22:18.50 | amphi | daeron: yes - which model? |
| 22:19.05 | abrotman | olejorgenb: and you can always check the package changelog |
| 22:19.15 | olejorgenb | abrotman: the bug is listed as fixed/closed, so I guess it did |
| 22:19.18 | daeron | T41 |
| 22:19.23 | dcestari | can I use network-manager from cli? |
| 22:19.34 | dcestari | I have no gui and want to connect to a wifi wpa network. |
| 22:19.35 | daeron | i had problems with installation netinst :P |
| 22:19.36 | hesco | I installed build-essential, but I still don't seem to have cc. I also install gcc-4.1 w/o success, (b4 I came here). |
| 22:19.41 | abrotman | olejorgenb: yay .. or something |
| 22:19.47 | abrotman | hesco: show us the full error |
| 22:19.49 | abrotman | !pastebin |
| 22:19.49 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 22:19.55 | amphi | daeron: ah, nice - a bit big for my taste, I like X series |
| 22:20.22 | hesco | /bin/sh: cc: command not found |
| 22:20.22 | hesco | make: *** [Parser.o] Error 127 |
| 22:20.52 | daeron | amphi: well, i got this T41 as gift so I'm happy anyway |
| 22:20.53 | hesco | I tried which cc as both me and as root and find nothing. |
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| 22:21.08 | abrotman | hesco: gcc ? |
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| 22:21.26 | amphi | daeron: excellent gift |
| 22:21.29 | daeron | amphi: I'm a poor student anyway :) |
| 22:21.46 | daeron | amphi: yeah, my parents rox :P |
| 22:21.47 | abrotman | yeah .. i got a 486 |
| 22:21.50 | amphi | daeron: thinkwiki.org will be of use, if you don't already know it |
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| 22:22.12 | hesco | abortman: thank you kind sir. which knows what I'm talking about now. Lets see if my makefile does, as well. |
| 22:22.20 | abrotman | heh |
| 22:22.22 | daeron | amphi: i don't know it, but thanks for the tip :) |
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| 22:22.39 | abrotman | !pony amphi |
| 22:22.39 | dpkg | gives amphi a pony |
| 22:23.02 | amphi | mmm, tasty |
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| 22:23.20 | daeron | !prize amphi |
| 22:23.20 | dpkg | gives amphi a yogi pin. |
| 22:23.34 | amphi | a wot? |
| 22:23.37 | daeron | hmm, what is yogi pin? :P |
| 22:23.59 | amphi | some tantric rubbish, no doubt |
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| 22:24.16 | daeron | hah, probably |
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| 22:25.36 | abrotman | eh .. it's a .us thing from the 80s |
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| 22:26.38 | abrotman | roughly went like this |
| 22:27.03 | abrotman | "A: I did something awesome (but simple) B: What do you want, a yogi pin A: ..." |
| 22:27.38 | abrotman | now for all i know .. there's a real yogi pin out there .. but i've never seen one |
| 22:27.46 | abrotman | apparently i didn't do enough awesome things as a kid :) |
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| 22:28.20 | robinparker | how to install Java with APT ? |
| 22:28.30 | manu_hack | hi, my CPU is AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-53 and two linux-image (686, 486) are installed, which is should be used? it's 32bit version image I was talking about ... |
| 22:28.35 | Maulkin | !java |
| 22:28.35 | dpkg | java is probably a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives> |
| 22:28.57 | abrotman | manu_hack: -686 -amd64 are both fine |
| 22:29.02 | abrotman | i suppose -486 is too |
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| 22:29.43 | manu_hack | because on installation 486 was installed, but then an upgrade it got 686 ... |
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| 22:30.18 | backdraft | What are the packages for tk8.5 tcl8.5 ? |
| 22:30.23 | Tenkawa | does debian netboot support e1000 in sid do you all think? |
| 22:30.27 | abrotman | apt-cache search tcl 8.5 |
| 22:30.33 | abrotman | Tenkawa: no netinst for sid |
| 22:30.38 | Tenkawa | and is there a way to check pci-ids currently supported |
| 22:30.42 | abrotman | Tenkawa: try lenny if kmuto still didn't work |
| 22:30.52 | Tenkawa | abrotman: daily netboot rather |
| 22:30.57 | abrotman | try it .. |
| 22:31.00 | hesco | What does the PSP mean in: libpsp-html-parser-perl - Version of HTML::Parser for PSP ??? |
| 22:31.08 | abrotman | hopefully you've been using a CDRW :) |
| 22:31.26 | manu_hack | and by the way, before i have a 64bit version and I remember my CPU had 6000+ Bogomips but now I only have 3259.40 Bogomips after instaling 32bit version, is it just number, or the performance is really worsen? |
| 22:31.26 | hesco | that's from apt-cache search HTML::Parser |
| 22:31.30 | Tenkawa | abrotman: no.. thats the problem. the ide interface isnt supported on this box |
| 22:31.33 | Tenkawa | only the sata |
| 22:31.45 | Tenkawa | sucks but thats the way it is |
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| 22:32.11 | Tenkawa | I just need to make sure this one model/pci-id is supported |
| 22:32.18 | abrotman | Tenkawa: have the PCIID ? |
| 22:32.22 | Tenkawa | been seing a lot of complaints about it |
| 22:32.23 | Tenkawa | yeah |
| 22:32.25 | Tenkawa | just a sec |
| 22:32.39 | abrotman | i'll tell you if it's supported in the 25-2-686 that i'm using from lenny |
| 22:32.40 | backdraft | abrotman that didn't do anything |
| 22:32.46 | abrotman | whowha? |
| 22:32.49 | Tenkawa | 00:25:00 8086:294c |
| 22:33.16 | abrotman | Tenkawa: says yes .. let me check an old .24 also |
| 22:33.18 | Tenkawa | its one of the few e1000's not supported by esx |
| 22:33.20 | Tenkawa | ok |
| 22:33.28 | abrotman | says yes also |
| 22:33.30 | Tenkawa | so I'm going to just throw debian on it |
| 22:33.32 | Tenkawa | ok good |
| 22:33.35 | Tenkawa | I'll pxe boot it then |
| 22:33.37 | abrotman | but not on a .22 |
| 22:33.55 | Tenkawa | at least I hope I'll be pxe booting it |
| 22:34.03 | Tenkawa | got to set all of that fun up |
| 22:34.04 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 22:34.24 | Tenkawa | the usb installer got "close" to working |
| 22:34.59 | Tenkawa | maybe I'll try it again |
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| 22:35.45 | Traveler4 | abrotman it's mfrisch |
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| 22:36.14 | Traveler4 | abrotman may have to come check out the liberty bell sometime. |
| 22:36.32 | MikeonTV | can someone please give me the link to the most recent and most basic iso of debian for an older machine? |
| 22:36.48 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 22:37.06 | abrotman | MikeonTV: the etch i386 netinst |
| 22:37.13 | abrotman | assuming it can boot from CD |
| 22:37.17 | Tenkawa | syslinux here we go yet again |
| 22:38.17 | MikeonTV | dont worry. I'm good after that |
| 22:38.19 | dustybin | if i setup a public box in a DMZ, could i ditch my silly IRC hosting account, and IRC directly off that box? |
| 22:38.20 | MikeonTV | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ ??? |
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| 22:38.55 | abrotman | seems good |
| 22:39.28 | dustybin | abrotman: should i consider buying another static IP off my ISP for my public box? |
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| 22:39.43 | MikeonTV | abrotman: http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso then? |
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| 22:40.15 | abrotman | MikeonTV: that will give you a .24 kernel .. there's another with a .18 .. both should work on older hardware |
| 22:40.23 | pyronik | im reading a tutorial and it says to "change kernel parameters" |
| 22:40.25 | abrotman | dustybin: NFC .. not my money :) |
| 22:40.27 | pyronik | how do you do that |
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| 22:40.43 | abrotman | which parameters? |
| 22:41.14 | MikeonTV | abrotman: thank you new friend |
| 22:41.26 | abrotman | i made a friend |
| 22:41.29 | abrotman | goes to tell mommy |
| 22:42.05 | pyronik | "lockd.udpport=2232 lockd.tcpport=2232". |
| 22:42.14 | pyronik | trying to mount an nfs over the internet |
| 22:42.26 | abrotman | i'd guess /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 22:42.28 | pyronik | i have to peg those ports so i can port forward |
| 22:42.34 | abrotman | uh what? |
| 22:43.42 | pyronik | i dont know |
| 22:43.44 | pyronik | im over my head ha |
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| 22:45.33 | orveldv | pyronik: and why do you need to change kernel params in order to have NFS working? |
| 22:45.50 | pyronik | "Thats it, now we can use port 2233 later on when we mount the shares :) check if it worked with rpcinfo -p. If nlockmgr still uses random ports it is a compiled in setting. Configure this in grub/lilo as kernel parameters: |
| 22:45.50 | pyronik | "lockd.udpport=2232 lockd.tcpport=2232". |
| 22:45.58 | robinparker | how do i add the non-free repository? |
| 22:46.07 | Guerin | robinparker: /msg dpkg non-free |
| 22:46.20 | galois_ | getting stuck when upgrading from sarge to etch. Followed the instructions in the release notes but stuck when doing the final dist-upgrade. getting a conflict between various mesa packages and libglu1 (a virtual package). I can't seem to remove the virtual package though. Any suggestions on where to look? |
| 22:47.22 | orveldv | pyronik: you do all that magic just to have NFS working over the firewalls? |
| 22:48.27 | pyronik | im assuming so, i mean im trying to get my PDA to access an NFS |
| 22:48.43 | pyronik | im assuming the mount point is going to have to be a static port so i can get it past my router |
| 22:48.48 | orveldv | pyronik: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_Share_Directories_via_NFS <-- check the sections 7. and 8. |
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| 22:50.14 | pyronik | ok im reading that |
| 22:50.19 | orveldv | pyronik: assuming that the firewalls are your problem |
| 22:50.21 | pyronik | and i think thats similar to what i did |
| 22:50.26 | pyronik | but it didnt work |
| 22:50.43 | pyronik | http://www.howtoforge.com/nfs_ssh_tunneling |
| 22:50.47 | pyronik | im following that |
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| 22:50.57 | pyronik | and did this |
| 22:50.58 | pyronik | echo "STATDOPTS=--port 2231" > /etc/default/nfs-common |
| 22:50.58 | pyronik | echo "options lockd nlm_udpport=2232 nlm_tcpport=2232" >> /etc/modules.conf |
| 22:50.58 | pyronik | echo "RPCNFSDCOUNT=8 RPCMOUNTDOPTS='-p 2233'" > /etc/default/nfs-kernel-server |
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| 22:51.44 | hydroponic | How do I ignore a package when doing an apt-get upgrade? There's one package I don't want upgraded |
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| 22:52.33 | Nyle | !hold |
| 22:52.33 | dpkg | hold is a status flag which tells apt (or aptitude) not to automatically upgrade a package. To hold a package, 'echo pkgname hold|dpkg --set-selections', or 'aptitude hold package', or use = in aptitude's curses interface. You can ignore a hold by using apt-get install foopkg; or by using + in aptitude's curses interface. [Note that this is *NOT* the same as packages which have been "held back" for dependency reasons.] |
| 22:52.36 | Dnumgis | Hi, I'm looking to build .deb packages from my software. I have my software in a svn repository, and I'd like to be able to build packages from the repository and version them based on the svn revision. Is that possible? are there some tools to help doing that? |
| 22:52.50 | monobug | hydroponic, uncheck it in the update manager |
| 22:52.58 | Nyle | monobug, this is NOT ubuntu. |
| 22:53.12 | Nyle | there is no fucking update manager |
| 22:53.17 | monobug | i got one |
| 22:53.19 | hydroponic | monobug: I only have SSH access |
| 22:53.22 | Nyle | get rid of it |
| 22:53.29 | Nyle | hydroponic, /msg dpkg hold or read above |
| 22:53.36 | orveldv | pyronik: NFS over SSH? I'd use sshfs instead (since ssh is already there): http://fuse.sourceforge.net/sshfs.html |
| 22:53.38 | monobug | Nyle, what is your problem with it? |
| 22:53.41 | Nyle | Dnumgis, download subversion |
| 22:53.48 | hydroponic | Nyle: thanks |
| 22:53.50 | Nyle | Dnumgis, svn checkout |
| 22:53.53 | Tenkawa | ok netboot worked |
| 22:53.57 | Nyle | Dnumgis, then svn-buildpackage |
| 22:53.58 | Tenkawa | on with the rest of the install |
| 22:53.59 | Tenkawa | bbl |
| 22:54.01 | Tenkawa | wish me luck |
| 22:54.05 | Nyle | Dnumgis, /msg dpkg nmg |
| 22:54.05 | Tenkawa | abrotman: thanks again |
| 22:54.25 | Dnumgis | Nyle: I've looked at svn-buildpackage, it doesn't seem to be what I want |
| 22:54.43 | Nyle | you are looking to generate .deb packages from svn trunk? |
| 22:54.46 | hydroponic | What version of Trac is currently in the repos? |
| 22:54.48 | Nyle | how is that not what you want? |
| 22:55.01 | pyronik | i can't use that |
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| 22:55.26 | pyronik | the client im working on is familiar linux, for PDA it comes preloaded with NFS |
| 22:55.33 | pyronik | the server is debian |
| 22:55.36 | Nyle | Dnumgis, first you get the source, if its in deb format, svn-buildpacakge |
| 22:55.44 | pyronik | theres no extra space on the pda |
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| 22:55.50 | Nyle | Dnumgis, if not, then /msg dpkg nmg to learn how to make debian packages |
| 22:55.52 | pyronik | thus the reason why im doing the mount in the first place |
| 22:55.59 | Nyle | Dnumgis, after you checkout the source |
| 22:56.14 | Nyle | there are tons of tutorials online :) |
| 22:56.19 | Dnumgis | Nyle: I've read nmg, I don't think you understand my question |
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| 22:56.34 | Nyle | hmm |
| 22:56.37 | Nyle | I don't think I do then |
| 22:56.40 | Nyle | :( |
| 22:56.43 | smhar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:56.51 | ramirez_ | Versioning with revision numbers? |
| 22:57.33 | eljefe | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.33 | Dnumgis | I want mypackage-1.0.XXXX where XXXX is the revision in svn of the sources used for that package |
| 22:57.49 | zinx | eljefe: what CPU? |
| 22:58.14 | eljefe | Intel Pentium D, dual core something or other |
| 22:58.20 | ramirez_ | Dnumgis I don't know any tool that would let you do that, but it's probably pretty easy to write such a script |
| 22:58.32 | zinx | yeah that's probably a bit high for that processor |
| 22:58.53 | ramirez_ | if you find out such a tool, let me know though :) |
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| 22:58.56 | zinx | it should be able to take a few more degrees before becoming unstable, but you don't want to run it that hot all the time |
| 22:59.01 | Dnumgis | ramirez_: ok, so just some perl to stick the output of svnversion into the control file? |
| 22:59.12 | eljefe | eh, how do i slow it or cool it? even if I stop AVIdemux, it will continue to be an issue |
| 22:59.14 | ramirez_ | yeah |
| 22:59.46 | zinx | eljefe: does it have cpu frequency scaling? |
| 23:00.02 | eljefe | mmm not sure, never looked into it, this is a new processor for me |
| 23:00.13 | Dnumgis | ramirez_: ok, thanks |
| 23:00.34 | zinx | if it does, there should be some files in /sys you can twiddle to forcibly reduce the frequency |
| 23:00.49 | eljefe | thanks I'll look |
| 23:01.00 | pyronik | what does > do versus >> |
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| 23:01.21 | ramirez_ | Dnumgis you probably want to do svn export and then svnversion on the repo path, so you don't get the .svn dirs in the deb |
| 23:01.23 | Dnumgis | pyronik: redirects to begining and end of file |
| 23:02.18 | pyronik | ahh ok thanks |
| 23:02.19 | Dnumgis | ramirez_: can't I just don't install them in the rules file? Or are you talking about the a source package? |
| 23:02.21 | ramirez_ | that or parse the revision number from the last line of svn export's output |
| 23:02.38 | eljefe | zinx: in /sys/module/processor? or? |
| 23:02.43 | ramirez_ | oh you can do that probably |
| 23:02.56 | ramirez_ | would work as well |
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| 23:03.30 | Dnumgis | ramirez_: thanks for the hints. will look at it more closely later. Too tired now |
| 23:03.32 | zinx | eljefe: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu[01]/cpufreq here |
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| 23:03.58 | zinx | eljefe: /sys/module/processor may also have it, i dunno |
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| 23:04.46 | galois_ | oh dear aptitude just froze |
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| 23:05.20 | zinx | try ctrl-q |
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| 23:05.55 | deus___ | gn8 |
| 23:05.58 | galois_ | zinx: thanks |
| 23:06.00 | jpinx | galois: I had that about 2 hours ago. What are you instaling? |
| 23:06.02 | eljefe | zinx that file doesn't exist; there is a termal_throttel file but root cannot change it from 0 to 1 |
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| 23:06.50 | zinx | eljefe: seems it probably doesn't support it then |
| 23:06.51 | galois_ | jpinx: etch |
| 23:07.00 | galois_ | getting hung up on a virtual package |
| 23:07.12 | galois_ | can fix it in the grahical version of aptitude |
| 23:07.26 | jpinx | Hmm - Mine hung on installing JRE and i had to reboot and fix apt-get |
| 23:07.30 | galois_ | but don't know how to then kick off dist-upgrade |
| 23:07.49 | hesco | which debian package might provide me with ip_conntrack_ftp for iptables? |
| 23:07.53 | jpinx | secong time it worked fine |
| 23:08.04 | galois_ | hitting go tries to install around 500 odd packages |
| 23:08.32 | CcSsNET | eljefe install cpufrequtils |
| 23:08.35 | CcSsNET | from apt-get |
| 23:08.55 | CcSsNET | toy with those a bit |
| 23:09.04 | eljefe | i kust installed kpowersave and put it to acustic, will that do it? |
| 23:09.26 | jpinx | galois - are you cl'ing aptitude - or working from the gui? |
| 23:09.26 | CcSsNET | no clue not a kde fan so not familiar with tools |
| 23:09.27 | dustybin | would a pentium III 733 with 512megs ram, be powerful enough for basic web browsing, when used inconjunction with a light desktop, like XFCE? |
| 23:09.34 | xand | dustybin: yes. |
| 23:09.45 | zinx | dustybin: it would be enough for gnome/kde even :/ |
| 23:09.46 | dustybin | xand: would it be a bit chuggy and slow? |
| 23:10.15 | xand | dustybin: not really |
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| 23:10.25 | dustybin | hmmm interesting |
| 23:10.27 | manu_hack | so I have two 512k rams but cat /proc/meminfo shows MemTotal: 904584 kB?? |
| 23:10.35 | jpinx | dustybin: mine is a pIII 500Mhz laptop with only 256Mb RAM and it works - but only just |
| 23:10.52 | CcSsNET | manu_hack ur using an onboard video card |
| 23:10.55 | CcSsNET | that shares memory |
| 23:10.59 | galois_ | jpinx: cl |
| 23:11.01 | eljefe | CcSsNET: both CPU cores read, "no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU" |
| 23:11.02 | CcSsNET | enter ur bios and lower the alocation |
| 23:11.03 | dustybin | jpinx: well mine wouldnt be much more powerful than that, so maybe it will be a bit ropy |
| 23:11.30 | gkffjcs_ | what's the easiest virtualization solution to use on debian lenny? |
| 23:11.38 | jpinx | dustybin: if you keep to a minimum of processes it's manageable |
| 23:11.39 | CcSsNET | sound unsupported at kernel lvl or just no modules loaded for it yet eljefe |
| 23:11.41 | zinx | dustybin: 256MB -> 512MB of ram is a huge change |
| 23:11.49 | dustybin | ok |
| 23:11.54 | manu_hack | CcSsNET: it's lap top, but I dont think so .. |
| 23:11.57 | jpinx | zinx: double ;) |
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| 23:12.09 | eljefe | i'm not sure :( |
| 23:12.11 | dustybin | jpinx: it will be a very minimal lenny install using XFCE |
| 23:12.13 | zinx | jpinx: and double at that amount is quite a bit ;) |
| 23:12.15 | jpinx | wishes he could double his ram |
| 23:12.18 | eljefe | CcSsNET I am not sure |
| 23:12.20 | zinx | jpinx: much more than, say, 2GB to 4GB |
| 23:12.26 | dustybin | is there a such thing as a stripped down lighter version of firefox? |
| 23:12.41 | zinx | (if you're not using all the ram, getting more isn't going to make stuff faster) |
| 23:12.51 | jpinx | dustybin: you could use lynz (joking) |
| 23:12.52 | zinx | dustybin: iceweasel 3 :P |
| 23:12.56 | CcSsNET | dustybin there are ports of firefox yea |
| 23:13.12 | dustybin | zinx: iceweasel is firefox |
| 23:13.23 | jpinx | zinx: yea - my limit is really my PIII 500 |
| 23:13.25 | zinx | dustybin: i don't think you will need a super-light browser with 512MB of ram and xfce or some other lightweight DE |
| 23:13.33 | manu_hack | CcSsNET: it's ATI Technologies Inc RS690M [Radeon X1200 Series] |
| 23:13.46 | zinx | dustybin: yes, and 3 takes less resources than 2 (supposedly) |
| 23:13.58 | jpinx | dustybin - with 512 RAM you will be ok if you don't go mad on processes |
| 23:14.05 | danners | i can run epiphany on a p2 laptop with 192MB ram and a simple window manager just fine... |
| 23:14.10 | CcSsNET | manu_hack u would have to enter ur bios to tell if it is stealing vid memory from system mem |
| 23:14.23 | CcSsNET | but being an ati maybe unlikely |
| 23:14.25 | jpinx | danners - which window manager? |
| 23:14.34 | danners | jpinx: awesome |
| 23:15.22 | joneal | hi |
| 23:15.44 | jpinx | danner: cool - I'll go and look at that |
| 23:15.58 | manu_hack | CcSsNET: thx, although not sure I know what to do in BIOS |
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| 23:16.13 | hesco | which debian package might provide me with ip_conntrack_ftp for iptables? |
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| 23:17.10 | streuner | linux-image? :-P |
| 23:17.12 | danners | jpinx: at the start it is hard to work with it but when you use it, it gets better and you can work really good with it because you don't have to resize and move windows all the time... |
| 23:17.14 | cheekee | I have a PIII 1000 with 728 MB Ram and I can pretty much do whatever I like |
| 23:17.52 | streuner | hesco: what does "cat /proc/version" say? |
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| 23:19.18 | jpinx | danners: - you want to hold my hand? ;) |
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| 23:19.31 | jpinx | I'm not expert enough to mess too much |
| 23:20.08 | jpinx | maybe I should install another Debian for testing - I can't afford to break my working laptop system |
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| 23:20.13 | zythmer | hesco: nf_conntrack_ftp has an alias for ip_conntrack_ftp. 'modinfo nf_conntrack_ftp' displays that. |
| 23:21.02 | danners | jpinx: well just installing another windowmanager shouldn't break anything since you can choose which one to use... |
| 23:21.18 | streuner | !find ip_conntrack_ftp |
| 23:21.24 | jpinx | danners - I'm using gnome at the moment - default with etch |
| 23:21.34 | streuner | hesco: /msg dpkg search |
| 23:21.50 | jpinx | can I just install awesome and play with it and not break anything? |
| 23:22.13 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'ip_conntrack_ftp' returned no results. |
| 23:22.47 | cheekee | 768 Mbs I mean |
| 23:23.32 | danners | jpinx: when you have installed it you could choose it under session in gdm but i would read about the basic commands before using it, well i will go to bed good luck with trying |
| 23:23.33 | Gryfelhas | hi. I see, there is a new kernel for etch released..... how is the behavor, after booting..... does it alter grub by default and I can choose witch one to start? |
| 23:24.22 | Webmind-org | Gryfelhas, yes it does |
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| 23:25.49 | jpinx | thanks danners |
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| 23:27.31 | Gryfelhas | Webmind-org: thx |
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| 23:35.33 | Gryfelhas | What 2.6.24 kernel (on etch 'n halve) do you suggest for a pentium core duo (not dual core, not core duo 2)? with 2 GB Ram? i guess the 686-1 ? |
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| 23:36.05 | quagga | Gryfelhas: i would say 686 or 686-bigmem if you need pae |
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| 23:39.59 | Gryfelhas | thx@ quagga |
| 23:40.49 | quagga | i'm running bigmem on my little mem machines so the NX bit is enabled. I'm not sure if it has a negative side effect other than not working on systems that don't support pae |
| 23:41.22 | linuxguy | Iseen ~Zeuse |
| 23:41.43 | linuxguy | !seen -Zeuse- |
| 23:41.43 | dpkg | i haven't seen '-zeuse-', linuxguy |
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| 23:43.44 | Doctor_Nick | !fart |
| 23:43.44 | dpkg | farts, releasing large quantities of methane and sulfur dioxide. "Evacuate the channel! GO! *gag* SAVE YOURSELVES *cough* MOVE *choke* MOVE!" |
| 23:43.52 | linuxguy | _ZeuZ_ are you here? |
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| 23:48.55 | \sia\ | how to extract zip file with p7zip |
| 23:48.57 | \sia\ | ? |
| 23:49.51 | blameless | man p7zip? |
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| 23:55.58 | linuxguy | can someone please tell me what th rest of this line should look like please?..Im using Lenny Sat Aug 9 2008] [19:54:02] <dpkg> 1) Add a "deb-src . |
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| 23:57.30 | jelly | linuxguy: what was is supposed to be an answer for? |
| 23:57.51 | netdaemon | linuxguy, deb-src your_mirror main contrib |
| 23:58.22 | Webmind-org | Press Alt-F2 and run ' free the fish' |
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| 23:59.09 | jelly | Webmind-org: please don't talk nonsense |
| 23:59.37 | Webmind-org | It isn't nonsense |
| 23:59.45 | jelly | !simple sid backport |
| 23:59.45 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
| 23:59.47 | linuxguy | jelly, .........i want to add that to the sources list to help me get nvidaai drivers to work for lenny |