| 00:00.07 | abrotman | yes |
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| 00:00.13 | Cyorxamp | decent :D |
| 00:00.45 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: just out of curiosity - when - was all this fixed? I want something to gloat about to work |
| 00:00.56 | abrotman | it has a date on the DSA |
| 00:00.57 | Cyorxamp | they all use fedora boxes in the server room, and I'm a debian user :D |
| 00:01.06 | Cyorxamp | it has a reported date yes |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | i'm sure it's fixed in fedora too |
| 00:01.17 | Cyorxamp | is that also the day the fix was rolled onto the repo's? |
| 00:01.33 | Cyorxamp | probably but they arn't using anything past fedora 4 which is stupid |
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| 00:02.21 | Derek | dabian > all amirite? |
| 00:04.08 | Cyorxamp | abrotman: date reported = date fixed then yes? |
| 00:04.35 | abrotman | ask OFTC .. jeez |
| 00:04.41 | abrotman | if you like them so much .. |
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| 00:05.47 | Jyzygzy- | never tried OFYTC |
| 00:05.53 | Jyzygzy- | whats itsy lieek? |
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| 00:06.37 | abrotman | it's like .. IRC |
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| 00:07.45 | Cyorxamp | lol abrotman don't feel hurt :D |
| 00:07.54 | Cyorxamp | have a spork :P |
| 00:07.59 | deniz__ | i do nano /etc/apt/sources.list (no gui thats y) and i can edit the text but how do i save it? |
| 00:08.12 | Derek | control o |
| 00:08.18 | amphi | !penixstrike Cyorxamp |
| 00:08.18 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Cyorxamp to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 00:08.41 | deniz__ | Derek: ctrl+o ur sayin to me or sum1 else? |
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| 00:08.55 | Cyorxamp | amphi: would it help if I knew what a penix is? |
| 00:09.13 | obnauticus | anyone else having this problem/know how to fix it? http://pastebin.ca/1165376 |
| 00:09.27 | Derek | control+o to save in nano |
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| 00:11.45 | deniz__ | can someone show me a link that shows how the lenny /etc/apt/sources.list should look like so that I can edit my etch vm's sources.list so i can do apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 00:11.55 | abrotman | obnauticus: reinstall samba |
| 00:12.04 | abrotman | !tell deniz__ about etch->lenny |
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| 00:12.07 | obnauticus | abrotman: im trying to remove it right now |
| 00:12.13 | abrotman | reinstall it first |
| 00:12.30 | obnauticus | abrotman: it failed, i moved the cache file, and re-ran apt-get -f install |
| 00:12.42 | abrotman | what failed? |
| 00:12.46 | abrotman | aptitude reinstall samba ? |
| 00:13.05 | deniz__ | abrotman: i changed all etch to lenny etc but there was 4 lines bcuz 2 of which were the dvd disc and i removed those 2 lines completely and the other 2 i named lenny but i need the first 2 |
| 00:13.10 | obnauticus | old on |
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| 00:13.19 | amphi | Cyorxamp: no |
| 00:13.22 | abrotman | deniz__: sounds okay |
| 00:13.23 | deniz__ | abrotman: bcuz i installed from the dvd disc and i did minimum install |
| 00:13.28 | abrotman | because ? |
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| 00:13.53 | deniz__ | abrotman: bcuz in real life ive been having problems so im trying to fix the problem in a vm under ubuntu so wen i get it right ill do it for real |
| 00:14.16 | abrotman | fails to see what lenny has to do with ubuntu |
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| 00:14.32 | deniz__ | abrotman: ubuntu is the host, lenny is the guest |
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| 00:14.36 | simonrvn | 0 |
| 00:14.39 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:14.40 | deniz__ | abrotman: well etch is the guest i mean |
| 00:14.45 | obnauticus | ya that failed abrotman . |
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| 00:14.58 | deniz__ | obnauticus: is abrotman a bot?? |
| 00:15.07 | obnauticus | no |
| 00:15.10 | deniz__ | o ok |
| 00:15.12 | obnauticus | wait |
| 00:15.12 | deniz__ | u got me scared |
| 00:15.14 | obnauticus | noi ya he isw |
| 00:15.15 | obnauticus | nevermind |
| 00:15.18 | deniz__ | o sh*t |
| 00:15.24 | deniz__ | it sounds sooooooooooooo real |
| 00:15.38 | obnauticus | he has good AI |
| 00:15.40 | abrotman | obnauticus: same error ? show me |
| 00:15.46 | obnauticus | im pastebining it |
| 00:15.56 | epsilon | abrotman is an IRC-AI, a bot LARTing all lusers |
| 00:15.59 | obnauticus | http://pastebin.ca/1165382 |
| 00:16.11 | deniz__ | omg robots are gonna take over the world lol |
| 00:16.18 | Similian | hello everyone have a short question regarding rsyc: I wanted just to backup files on my backup serverwith rsync. I want it to copy only newer files to the server. I dont seem to find the right option ... any clues ? |
| 00:16.27 | abrotman | obnauticus: ls -l /etc/rc2.d/S91samba |
| 00:16.39 | deniz__ | omg a bot giving commands! |
| 00:16.41 | abrotman | Similian: that's the default |
| 00:16.47 | Similian | is ist ? |
| 00:16.51 | Similian | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:16.56 | obnauticus | abrotman: symlink to /samba |
| 00:17.05 | abrotman | Similian: try it and see .. but what you're describing seems like the default |
| 00:17.06 | obnauticus | why the hell is it a symlink to /samba |
| 00:17.07 | abrotman | obnauticus: show me |
| 00:17.13 | obnauticus | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 2008-08-02 01:26 /etc/rc2.d/S91samba -> /samba |
| 00:17.23 | deniz__ | abrotman: how should lenny sources.list look like? |
| 00:17.34 | abrotman | man sources.list |
| 00:17.42 | abrotman | obnauticus: that's not right |
| 00:17.50 | abrotman | obnauticus: does /etc/init.d/samba exist ? |
| 00:17.53 | obnauticus | abrotman: i don't remember doing that |
| 00:17.55 | Similian | i did it takes a bit too long .. for an inkremental update but ill try again |
| 00:18.02 | obnauticus | yes, abrotman . |
| 00:18.02 | Similian | incremental |
| 00:18.20 | abrotman | obnauticus: /etc/rc2.d/S91samba should point to /etc/init.d/samba |
| 00:18.30 | obnauticus | should i change that up abrotman ? |
| 00:18.50 | abrotman | seems like a good plan |
| 00:18.57 | \sia\ | if i try to remove 'swfdec-gnome &swfdec-mozilla' the gnome and gnome desktop will be removed? why? |
| 00:19.08 | epsilon | dependency |
| 00:19.20 | obnauticus | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2008-08-10 17:18 S91samba -> /etc/init.d/samba |
| 00:19.20 | obnauticus | seems good |
| 00:20.06 | abrotman | seems better |
| 00:20.13 | obnauticus | i wonder why the hell it was pointing to /samba |
| 00:20.18 | obnauticus | that directory doesn't even exist lol. |
| 00:21.02 | pyronik | when im creating new users in debian, its adding them to group of their own name |
| 00:21.09 | pyronik | why woudlnt it just add them to "users" |
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| 00:22.46 | abrotman | obnauticus: got it uninstalling now ? |
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| 00:23.15 | obnauticus | abrotman: it upgraded successfully |
| 00:23.19 | abrotman | ok |
| 00:23.19 | \sia\ | if i try to remove 'swfdec-gnome &swfdec-mozilla' the gnome and gnome desktop will be removed? why? |
| 00:23.20 | obnauticus | im having a weird-different problem now |
| 00:23.22 | obnauticus | pastebins |
| 00:23.30 | Fulano | hablan espaƱol? |
| 00:23.31 | abrotman | \sia\: your nick is annoying .. and they're metapackages |
| 00:23.33 | abrotman | !es |
| 00:23.33 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 00:23.43 | Fulano | #debian-es |
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| 00:24.28 | deniz__ | can a real person plz tell me wat the lenny sources.list is spose to look like by default without all the extra repositories uve added bcuz i have to type it manually |
| 00:24.30 | Fulano | exit |
| 00:24.32 | \sia\ | abrotman, can i remove metapackages ? |
| 00:24.36 | abrotman | deniz__: i'm not a real person ? |
| 00:24.43 | abrotman | \sia\: you can .. but it's probably easier not to |
| 00:24.50 | deniz__ | abrotman: lol ur not a bot?! |
| 00:25.01 | deniz__ | im so confused omg |
| 00:25.03 | deniz__ | :'( |
| 00:25.17 | abrotman | w8 l3t m3 tri ur languge |
| 00:25.20 | abrotman | is that better? |
| 00:25.37 | obnauticus | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1165391 |
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| 00:25.41 | Throat | is there a kernel module for rtc support? There's no /dev/rtc on my system (anymore?) |
| 00:25.48 | Jyzygzy- | !ur |
| 00:25.49 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
| 00:25.55 | obnauticus | rofl. |
| 00:26.19 | obnauticus | "ur" is not swedish for "clock" that is "uhr" |
| 00:26.32 | abrotman | obnauticus: try aptitude |
| 00:26.36 | obnauticus | k |
| 00:26.59 | abrotman | obnauticus: wait .. are you running etch or lenny ? |
| 00:27.18 | obnauticus | etch |
| 00:27.25 | abrotman | obnauticus: but you've been mixing versions of debian ? |
| 00:27.36 | obnauticus | not that i know of |
| 00:27.44 | obnauticus | that would be pretty cool i fso |
| 00:27.44 | obnauticus | rofl |
| 00:27.55 | Jyzygzy- | apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:28.01 | obnauticus | because this system is working surprisingly well if i were mixing stuff |
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| 00:28.22 | streuner | !bobbitt |
| 00:28.22 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorena_Bobbitt]? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody (...sarge, etch), you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge, Etch, and any other debian system, "debian based distro", or the fire that is <rpm>, <alien>, etc. |
| 00:28.34 | obnauticus | !u |
| 00:28.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 00:28.49 | obnauticus | !aolbonics |
| 00:28.58 | obnauticus | there needs to be an entry for AOLBonics |
| 00:28.59 | obnauticus | :\ |
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| 00:29.11 | Jyzygzy- | !k |
| 00:29.11 | dpkg | It's OK. OK stands for Zero Killed. If you keep on saying k, there won't be zero killed for much longer. |
| 00:29.15 | amphi | !aolsmite obnauticus |
| 00:29.23 | amphi | :( |
| 00:29.24 | Jyzygzy- | kk |
| 00:29.45 | streuner | heh, there is no aolsmite, well i could swear too, that one exist |
| 00:29.52 | Throat | !irritate obnauticus |
| 00:29.52 | dpkg | obnauticus: Y iz debain so old? how can I make my kanotix werkz lol |
| 00:30.05 | obnauticus | >:| |
| 00:30.08 | Jyzygzy- | haha |
| 00:30.13 | obnauticus | I hate that crap so much |
| 00:30.25 | Jyzygzy- | whats kanotix |
| 00:30.31 | abrotman | obnauticus: paste your sources.list |
| 00:30.37 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: ask #kanotix .. or google . not us |
| 00:31.16 | obnauticus | what's that app that pipes stdout to rafb.net/paste? |
| 00:31.25 | obnauticus | i remember nopaste, but it's npot on aptitude |
| 00:31.41 | abrotman | !pastebin pipe |
| 00:31.41 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 00:31.44 | amphi | !aolify streuner |
| 00:31.45 | dpkg | whispers 'pls stfu kthx' in streuner's ear |
| 00:31.54 | Throat | Jyzygzy-, I think some knoppix spinoff... |
| 00:31.56 | amphi | that's what I was thinking off |
| 00:31.59 | obnauticus | abrotman: there is an easier way |
| 00:32.01 | amphi | 8of |
| 00:32.09 | abrotman | obnauticus: like #flood ? |
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| 00:32.21 | streuner | amphi: i already used "/msg dpkg listkeys aol" :-P |
| 00:32.38 | streuner | too |
| 00:32.42 | streuner | :-) |
| 00:32.42 | obnauticus | blarr |
| 00:32.45 | amphi | ;) |
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| 00:34.03 | Throat | abrotman, all this time and I never figured you're a bot... :) good there's finally someone who set me right on this |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | i'm a bot? |
| 00:34.19 | amphi | a wot?? |
| 00:34.21 | Throat | seems so :) |
| 00:34.28 | Throat | ab-robot-man |
| 00:34.30 | abrotman | /nick abotman |
| 00:35.44 | obnauticus | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/1165402 |
| 00:36.03 | abrotman | obnauticus: you've been mixing |
| 00:36.17 | obnauticus | oh shi- |
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| 00:36.27 | abrotman | pretty much |
| 00:36.29 | obnauticus | i did nothing illegal |
| 00:36.30 | obnauticus | i swear |
| 00:36.39 | abrotman | it's not illegal .. but it's not good |
| 00:36.43 | obnauticus | i know, rofl |
| 00:36.53 | obnauticus | I was speaking like drugs abrotman . |
| 00:37.09 | Jyzygzy- | upgrade to lenny |
| 00:37.14 | obnauticus | i find some hilarity because normally when you tell someone they have been "mixing" in a bad context the first thing that comes to mind is Crystal MEth |
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| 00:37.58 | Nyle | what?> |
| 00:38.04 | Nyle | mixing brings music to mind |
| 00:38.11 | obnauticus | same here actually |
| 00:38.24 | Nyle | so wtf was bit about meth |
| 00:38.33 | obnauticus | uhh |
| 00:38.35 | obnauticus | dunno? |
| 00:38.36 | Jyzygzy- | meth |
| 00:38.36 | obnauticus | lol |
| 00:38.39 | Jyzygzy- | !meth |
| 00:38.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, meth is better then coffee. no worse. no, better. worse! better! worse! better! worse! better! worse! WORSE!!! |
| 00:38.50 | Jyzygzy- | woohoo |
| 00:38.53 | obnauticus | rofl. |
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| 00:38.56 | Nyle | !sunday |
| 00:38.56 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 00:38.57 | Nyle | . |
| 00:39.10 | Jyzygzy- | its monday |
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| 00:39.19 | obnauticus | maybe in retard time :| |
| 00:39.26 | Jyzygzy- | !friday |
| 00:39.26 | dpkg | from memory, friday is tardsday eve eve, or ! ! ! F R I D A Y ! ! ! |
| 00:39.43 | Throat | reading the last couple of lines, it seems it _is_ retard time |
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| 00:39.54 | obnauticus | rofl. |
| 00:40.19 | Throat | raffle? |
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| 00:40.58 | \sia\ | abrotman, why my nick is annoying? |
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| 00:41.11 | abrotman | it doesn't start with a letter |
| 00:41.59 | Throat | \sia\, so we can't easily address you typing 1st couple of letters + autocomplete |
| 00:42.13 | \sia\ | aha sorry |
| 00:42.17 | obnauticus | actually it's quite useful because there are a few people in this chan who';s name start with a `\` |
| 00:42.21 | jpinx | I have mounted a partition with -w, but when I try to delete stuff it tells me it's read-only. Any clues anyone? |
| 00:42.25 | Throat | !lameometer \sia\ |
| 00:42.25 | \sia\ | i change it The_AC |
| 00:42.25 | obnauticus | so t oaddress you all we have to do is type \ and then [tab] |
| 00:42.26 | dpkg | '\sia\' is 14.000% lame, throat |
| 00:42.34 | obnauticus | !lameometer obnauticus |
| 00:42.35 | dpkg | 'obnauticus' is 0.000% lame, obnauticus |
| 00:42.39 | \sia\ | ok i change it |
| 00:42.39 | obnauticus | SHIIIII |
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| 00:42.48 | \sia\ | sorry |
| 00:42.53 | obnauticus | you best be sorry. |
| 00:43.07 | jpinx | it's a ext3 filesystem withan NTFS label, which may be apart of teh problem? |
| 00:43.18 | Throat | !sorry |
| 00:43.18 | dpkg | Don't be sorry...but if you ever go against the Debian Family again... |
| 00:43.33 | obnauticus | dpkg: will say the same thing. |
| 00:43.34 | dpkg | obnauticus: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 00:43.38 | obnauticus | what |
| 00:43.46 | obnauticus | !debian |
| 00:43.47 | dpkg | hmm... debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 00:43.51 | abrotman | leave the damn bot alone |
| 00:43.52 | obnauticus | !bsd |
| 00:43.52 | dpkg | [bsd] read also "bsd license", or a brand of free UNIX clones, freebsd for x86 and sparc64, netbsd for damn near every arch, and openbsd for paranoid people, or dying |
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| 00:44.55 | obnauticus | abrotman: this just proves dpkg's statment about sundays. |
| 00:45.05 | jpinx | anyone help with forcing a filesystem into read/write mode? |
| 00:45.19 | obnauticus | jpinx: try -o rw |
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| 00:45.42 | obnauticus | mount -t [fstype] [dev] [mountpoint] -o rw |
| 00:46.18 | jpinx | obnauticus: tried that - no good:( |
| 00:48.06 | jpinx | obnauticus: it starts deleting stuff and then runs into something that makes it say the system is mounted read-only |
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| 00:51.28 | \sia\ | [sia] is ok abrotman :) ? |
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| 00:55.49 | tetraedr | hi people! |
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| 00:56.07 | tetraedr | is there any way to limit apt-get channel usage? |
| 00:58.57 | abrotman | channel? bandwidth? |
| 00:59.14 | jawnsy | hmm, is there a way to get rid of the kacpid, kacpi_notify, kseriod, kstriped, ksnapd processes? I'm using a VMware virtual machine for Debian, so it doesn't have serial i/o (seriod), ACPI (kacpid, kacpi_notify), and I'm not sure what kstriped or ksnapd are but I'm fairly sure it doesn't have those... |
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| 01:00.04 | tetraedr | abrotman, channel bandwidth, I want it to download packages with speed not more than 40k |
| 01:00.21 | abrotman | !info trickle etch |
| 01:00.21 | deniz__ | how large is the upgrade from etch to lenny on a minimal install? |
| 01:00.40 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-4 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
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| 01:01.43 | deniz__ | tetraedr: maybe use an app to limit everythin to 40k except ur web browser to that? i dont no how to in linux but in windows i used netlimiter wen i had dial-up |
| 01:02.03 | tetraedr | no matter how big is it, I just want to set up from debian net-install and apt-get install everything else |
| 01:02.09 | deniz__ | tetraedr: search for an alternative to that program? |
| 01:02.45 | tetraedr | deniz__, ie? |
| 01:03.15 | deniz__ | tetraedr: i dont no but ill google quickly for u |
| 01:03.18 | tetraedr | deniz__, I can limit it with system shapers, but imho its to complicated |
| 01:04.04 | abrotman | !info trickle etch |
| 01:04.08 | dpkg | trickle: (user-space bandwidth shaper), section net, is optional. Version: 1.07-4 (etch), Packaged size: 34 kB, Installed size: 104 kB |
| 01:04.21 | abrotman | try it |
| 01:04.40 | tetraedr | Ability-, fount it here: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-20342.html |
| 01:04.41 | tetraedr | thanks |
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| 01:04.54 | deniz__ | tetraedr: try windows netlimiter under wine? |
| 01:05.33 | tetraedr | deniz__, brrrr why windows? :) |
| 01:05.36 | Jyzygzy- | lol |
| 01:06.09 | deniz__ | tetraedr: wait im still searching |
| 01:06.16 | Jyzygzy- | what you searching |
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| 01:06.30 | tetraedr | deniz__, I've got laptop under win, but cluster uses debian testing |
| 01:06.37 | Jyzygzy- | realtime socket based bandwidth limiter? |
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| 01:06.51 | tetraedr | deniz__, and I think trickle will suit my needs |
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| 01:07.18 | dryrot | can anyone help me with a tftp/dhcpd problem ? |
| 01:07.28 | Throat | no |
| 01:07.42 | tetraedr | Jyzygzy-, X3, just found it, it claims: trickle - user-space bandwidth shaper |
| 01:08.13 | Jyzygzy- | but notice that you cannot change the values realtime |
| 01:08.19 | deniz__ | tetraedr: o if u solved ur problem then good |
| 01:08.26 | Jyzygzy- | and you can't hook it to a already started processes |
| 01:08.36 | abrotman | dryrot: did you check the tftp logs? |
| 01:08.36 | tetraedr | deniz__, sort of ;) will try it now |
| 01:08.46 | abrotman | Jyzygzy-: so what? you can just stop and restart apt as you need .. since it resumes |
| 01:08.58 | tetraedr | Jyzygzy-, I don't need it to change realtime, once and 4ever |
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| 01:09.10 | Jyzygzy- | sure if thats ok with you |
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| 01:09.47 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, the nick is changed :) Throat |
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| 01:10.18 | Throat | Sia0-0? |
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| 01:10.48 | dryrot | abrotman: abrotman: : http://pastie.org/251038 |
| 01:11.18 | abrotman | says file not found |
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| 01:12.17 | Sia0-0 | Throat, iam \sia\ change my nickname because was *** |
| 01:12.25 | Throat | ah :) |
| 01:12.52 | dryrot | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d635c7ad5 |
| 01:13.07 | abrotman | file not found? |
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| 01:14.16 | Throat | so there probably is no /srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.0 ? |
| 01:14.28 | Throat | dryrot, so there probably is no /srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.0 ? |
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| 01:14.37 | dryrot | there is |
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| 01:14.44 | Throat | dryrot, and he meant your log sais file not found, not that he doesnt get the paste |
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| 01:15.25 | Throat | dryrot, obviously not for your tftp... |
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| 01:15.46 | michal__ | hi, I was wondering if there was a way to start a program on a remote X11 desktop over ssh. i want it to open on the machine it's running and i've ssh'd to, not the machine I'm currently on. |
| 01:16.26 | Throat | dryrot, could be (if that file exists) that tftpd is not allowed to access that directory, or it's even run in a chroot environment |
| 01:16.45 | dryrot | Throat: http://pastie.org/251076 |
| 01:16.54 | Throat | michal__, sure, if it's the same user that is logged in there, why not? |
| 01:17.00 | dryrot | the files are readable |
| 01:17.13 | Throat | michal__, typically do export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 01:17.42 | Throat | michal__, needs to be the same user, else magic-cookie authentification will fail |
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| 01:18.38 | michal__ | throat: how would i achieve that? isame user.. gives me this error: "No protocol specified. Cannot get root display. Is X11 running and is your DISPLAY variable set?" |
| 01:18.48 | michal__ | i have set DISPLAY as you suggested |
| 01:19.49 | Throat | what did you try to start? |
| 01:20.14 | michal__ | xbmc. but the problem is identical even if i try xcalc |
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| 01:21.14 | Throat | what on earth is xbmc? |
| 01:21.57 | joneal | I have a question |
| 01:21.59 | michal__ | that really shouldn't matter. let's try to get xcalc started :P i'd love to have a general solution |
| 01:22.10 | Throat | michal__, or xterm :) |
| 01:22.21 | michal__ | yeah. just any basic X11 app |
| 01:23.17 | Throat | michal__, it does work that way - if you did "export DISPLAY=:0", it could only be your display is not at :0 (which is unusual) or X is not running on that server |
| 01:23.48 | michal__ | <CR> added by me to represent Carriage Return |
| 01:23.49 | michal__ | printenv DISPLAY ; xterm<CR>:0<CR>No protocol specified<CR>xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0 |
| 01:23.54 | Throat | actually happens involuntarily on systems that set the DISPLAY to :0 in some login scripts.... (stupid practice, but done rather often) |
| 01:24.23 | michal__ | the display is unning (has firefox open at the moment) |
| 01:24.31 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 01:24.32 | dpkg | You can run X11 apps over an ssh connection so that neither <xhost> nor X tcp support are necessary. Enable X11Forwarding *on the remote server* (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xbase-clients (etch) or xauth (lenny) on both the client and the server. Then "ssh -X" from the client and run X apps on the remote machine. Authorisation is only given to your remote user to connect and $DISPLAY is set. Also ask me about <root x>. |
| 01:24.41 | joneal | How do I make all the directories that are created by other applications for my apache 2 server private but still allow access to the html and other files created by those applications, within those directories public to the outside world? |
| 01:24.43 | Throat | abrotman, that's not what he wants |
| 01:24.44 | michal__ | i'm trying to NOT run it over ssh |
| 01:25.05 | Throat | michal__, check what DISPLAY contains on your machine when you open a shell locally |
| 01:25.05 | michal__ | i want it to open on the machine iv'e ssh'd to onthe existing local display |
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| 01:25.18 | dryrot | maybe he could run VNC on the other machine, and run it that way |
| 01:25.44 | michal__ | hmm.. that may be difficult. i'm remote now. but vnc may be my next step to working this out. |
| 01:25.55 | joneal | i.e., make /var/www/directory/h/ private and /var/www/directory/h/file.dat public |
| 01:26.45 | Throat | michal__, hm, you can go to /proc/<PID>/ and look it up in env (with PID e.g. of a bash shell in an xterm) |
| 01:26.46 | michal__ | for what it's worth here's the X process |
| 01:26.48 | michal__ | root 6562 0.0 3.1 41080 33064 tty7 SLs+ Aug08 1:14 /usr/bin/X :0 -br -audit 0 -auth /var/lib/gdm/:0.Xauth -nolisten tcp vt7 |
| 01:27.49 | Throat | michal__, e.g. cat /proc/4452/environ |
| 01:28.50 | Throat | michal__, and the error message 'protocol not specified' you're showing is strange |
| 01:30.02 | michal__ | DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 01:30.28 | michal__ | setting it to :0.0 doesn't help |
| 01:31.06 | Throat | michal__, oh.... could it be you've got a screensaver active which essentially blocks access to X on the remote machine? |
| 01:31.33 | michal__ | that's possible... let me try and see if that's the case |
| 01:31.49 | Throat | michal__, could try xwd -root >/tmp/x.xwd on the remote machine... I've seen that work with screensaver |
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| 01:32.09 | Throat | michal__, then copy the file to your local machine and view it with xwud < x.xwd |
| 01:32.24 | michal__ | hah.. that's a pretty interesting idea |
| 01:32.58 | michal__ | xwd is in the same boat as every other X app though |
| 01:33.15 | william__ | i have set up my apache and made a dns through dyndns. when someone in the outside world types the address it does not see the web page |
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| 01:33.45 | michal__ | i may try vnc.. though that would require me to kill the existing xsession wouldn't it? is it possible to get vnc going as early as gdm? |
| 01:34.00 | william__ | when i type the site name on any compute inside my network i can pull the page up what am I not doing |
| 01:34.17 | william__ | i have opened port on router |
| 01:34.35 | Throat | dryrot, and /srv/tftp/fai/pxelinux.0 isn't a symlink with no file behind it either, I guess? |
| 01:35.01 | Throat | michal__, xwd doesn't work either? |
| 01:35.09 | PinkFreud | michal__: 21:26 <michal__> root 6562 0.0 3.1 41080 33064 tty7 SLs+ Aug08 |
| 01:35.10 | dryrot | Throat: no it's a real file. I dunno what's wrong with it, it is very frustrating. i guess i'll start over from the beginning |
| 01:35.11 | Throat | michal__, how about you just kill the screensaver process and try again? |
| 01:35.13 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.15 | PinkFreud | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:35.15 | PinkFreud | there's your problem. |
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| 01:35.31 | PinkFreud | it looks like you're sitting at a gdm login prompt. |
| 01:36.02 | michal__ | PinkFreud: i think it's part of the screensaver.. ie unified login prompt |
| 01:36.04 | Throat | but he said an application is open? |
| 01:36.08 | michal__ | but you may be right |
| 01:36.14 | michal__ | yeah. firefox is running |
| 01:36.51 | PinkFreud | hmmm. that process doesn't change auth files after login. interesting. |
| 01:36.56 | michal__ | i'll bypass all this trouble by creting a single app login session |
| 01:37.07 | michal__ | creating |
| 01:37.16 | PinkFreud | michal__: what does DISPLAY=:0 xdpyinfo give you? |
| 01:37.23 | Throat | well, if your X crashed and you're back at the gdm login, you need vnc to open a session again - or can probably start one with startx on :1 or so |
| 01:37.25 | michal__ | it's no problem having multiple displays running on different vt's is it? |
| 01:37.36 | amphi | michal__: no |
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| 01:37.40 | michal__ | or might it mess with video drivers/3d accelleration? |
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| 01:38.03 | amphi | you won't get 3d accel on more than one, until DRI2, I believe |
| 01:38.06 | Throat | michal__, I think I've seen acceleration not work on the 2nd display in one case... |
| 01:38.09 | PinkFreud | 3d acceleration may not work on more than one X session |
| 01:38.22 | michal__ | by second display i don't mean a physical display |
| 01:38.29 | PinkFreud | michal__: try doing 'DISPLAY=:0 xdpyinfo' please |
| 01:38.30 | michal__ | yeah. multiple sessions is what i mean |
| 01:38.35 | amphi | michal__: right; a second X session |
| 01:39.02 | michal__ | same catch all error |
| 01:39.19 | michal__ | this is what i'm imagining |
| 01:39.25 | PinkFreud | michal__: ok, now try 'DISPLAY=:0 xauth li' |
| 01:39.32 | PinkFreud | michal__: do NOT paste any output of that. |
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| 01:39.43 | PinkFreud | just let me know if it throws the error, or if it gives you authorization strings |
| 01:39.51 | michal__ | system automatically logs in an a session with a single app and no window manager and a second session starts in the background with gdm.. is this feasible? |
| 01:40.01 | Throat | dryrot, can you figure out the arguments/input with which in.tftpd is called? |
| 01:40.22 | michal__ | PinkFreud: i couldn't.. it didn't output anything :P |
| 01:40.28 | PinkFreud | interesting. |
| 01:40.44 | PinkFreud | michal__: are you currently logged in with the same user account that's logged into the X session? |
| 01:40.52 | michal__ | i'm intrigued. but ultimately i can wait till i'm physically at the machine. |
| 01:40.58 | michal__ | PinkFreud: yes |
| 01:41.19 | PinkFreud | hmmm. |
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| 01:41.47 | michal__ | is the next debian release on track for this year? |
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| 01:42.06 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 01:42.06 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
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| 01:43.05 | Throat | michal__, yes, it's probably best if you have phyiscial access also - you can also try on your current machine, btw - just ssh into localhost |
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| 01:44.23 | owen1 | deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/pentium4/ ./ |
| 01:44.24 | deniz__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:44.37 | Throat | michal__, there's no fundamental difference if you use the other host or your current one :) |
| 01:44.45 | owen1 | deb http://www.kiberpipa.org/~minmax/cinelerra/builds/pentium4/ ./ but i get: bash: deb: command not found any clue? |
| 01:45.08 | PinkFreud | michal__: definitely sounds like something is borked |
| 01:45.18 | michal__ | i think maybe there some something wrong or unusual on the remote system |
| 01:45.24 | PinkFreud | indeed |
| 01:45.31 | michal__ | i was unable to get ssh forwarded x11 apps starting either |
| 01:45.37 | Throat | michal__, well, try on your current local system? |
| 01:45.47 | michal__ | works on my local system no problem |
| 01:45.58 | michal__ | DISPLAY=:0 xterm opens up an xterm |
| 01:46.03 | Throat | owen1, you're running a line for /etc/apt/sources.list on your shell |
| 01:46.06 | PinkFreud | owen1: that's because that's a line which goes in /etc/apt/sources.list. you don't run it on the commandline. |
| 01:46.07 | michal__ | even if the DISPLAY wasn't set automatically |
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| 01:46.22 | michal__ | owen1: is your nick a charlie jade reference? |
| 01:46.24 | owen1 | Throat: PinkFreud: got it |
| 01:46.31 | owen1 | michal__: no |
| 01:46.46 | michal__ | ok. just curious. |
| 01:48.46 | biopyte | hifi, i cant detect any bluetooth device on my laptop. installed the bluez-packages, tried hciconfig, lspci, lsusb: nada. what do you think ... the box doesnt have bluetooth even though the packaging clearly lists bluetooth? i'm close to giving up bluetooth on lenny here. |
| 01:49.32 | Throat | biopyte, er... you need the hardware also, not just the package :-P |
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| 01:50.26 | Throat | what hardware is it? |
| 01:50.39 | biopyte | Throat: what hardware? i just want transfer files from this laptop to another one. the bluetooth antenna is built-in, no? |
| 01:50.50 | biopyte | its a thinkpad t61 |
| 01:51.04 | Throat | hm, never tried to connect two laptops |
| 01:51.12 | Throat | never had two laptops to try it :) |
| 01:51.55 | biopyte | me too, but very recently i bought this nice eeepc 901. :-) |
| 01:52.55 | Throat | biopyte, don't you get a dmesg output when you enable/disable bluetooth (there's normally a button on the laptop doing that) |
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| 01:54.36 | Throat | biopyte, kbluetoothd is also kind of useful, I feel (at least I could enter a pin for pairing in there, while the other methods/programs didn't work for some reason) - but right now I just mean it's giving you a message also when yuo enable/disable bt |
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| 01:59.55 | doubletwist | biopyte: How's typing on the 901 ? I'm going back and forth between a 901 and the 1000. |
| 02:00.38 | doubletwist | No place around here has one I can try out :( |
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| 02:03.35 | abrotman | doubletwist: around where? |
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| 02:04.05 | doubletwist | Arlington, TX |
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| 02:04.44 | abrotman | i think they had one at the microcenter in my area .. seems like there's one in dallas |
| 02:04.46 | Nyle | dyslexic |
| 02:04.52 | Nyle | glue sniffing cyber sluts. |
| 02:05.00 | doubletwist | abrotman: yeah about 50 miles from me :) |
| 02:05.00 | Nyle | get the fuck off your ass and do something |
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| 02:05.05 | Nyle | oh fuck me running |
| 02:05.06 | Nyle | wrong channel |
| 02:05.16 | Nyle | *sigh* |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | tells Nyle about ot |
| 02:05.46 | Nyle | stfu. |
| 02:05.51 | abrotman | doubletwist: houston ? |
| 02:05.54 | wd3 | i emerged media-video/gspcav1 for logictech quickcam.. modprobe gives me error... $ sudo modprobe gspcav1 |
| 02:05.54 | wd3 | FATAL: Module gspcav1 not found. |
| 02:06.11 | wd3 | how do you insert mod's? |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | modprobe |
| 02:06.16 | Nyle | modprobe |
| 02:06.29 | Nyle | read the manpage, and don't use rmmod anymore to remove them, use modprobe -r |
| 02:06.32 | Nyle | *fyi* |
| 02:06.39 | wd3 | Nyle, ok |
| 02:06.41 | Nyle | :) |
| 02:07.34 | Nyle | I think I need to reconfigure some irssi stuff, seems like I am not seeing which is the active channel... I wonder why |
| 02:07.40 | Nyle | I thought I was in #music |
| 02:08.08 | wd3 | Nyle, ok. at first i emerged qc-usb then found out i need gspcav1 so i did do rmmod quickcam got error now just did modprobe -r getting error. |
| 02:08.20 | wd3 | Nyle, $ sudo modprobe -r quickcam |
| 02:08.20 | wd3 | FATAL: Error removing quickcam (/lib/modules/2.6.23-gentoo-r3/usb/quickcam.ko): Kernel does not have module unloading support |
| 02:08.24 | doubletwist | abrotman: uh, no houston is a 5hr drive from here. I'm in between ft worth and dallas. I think the closest microcenter to me is in PLano whhich is north of dallas. I never go up there. |
| 02:08.35 | abrotman | wd3: why would you ask us about a gentoo system ? |
| 02:08.42 | wd3 | abrotman, sorry |
| 02:08.43 | abrotman | doubletwist: okay .. |
| 02:09.01 | wd3 | abrotman, pressed wrong tab |
| 02:09.04 | wd3 | :( |
| 02:09.16 | Nyle | also has a quickcam |
| 02:09.31 | Nyle | logitech quickcam pro |
| 02:10.01 | Nyle | piece of shit |
| 02:10.28 | abrotman | doubletwist: which is the "dallas"one i guess .. oh well .. |
| 02:10.32 | Throat | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:10.34 | Throat | !gentoosmite wd3 |
| 02:10.34 | dpkg | spends 9 days recompiling wd3, and when it's all done, wd3 runs 0.5% faster than previously |
| 02:10.46 | Throat | gah, network borked |
| 02:12.45 | wd3 | Throat, yeah i know.. :) i have a cam server using gentoo.. will convert tommorrow. |
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| 02:14.19 | BarnacleBob | when i run any apt command i get this Reading package lists... Error! \n E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room \n E: Read error - read (14 Bad address) \n E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened. |
| 02:14.25 | BarnacleBob | how can i fix that error? |
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| 02:14.46 | abrotman | !tell BarnacleBob about mmap |
| 02:14.52 | Throat | you can increase the amount of memory |
| 02:15.07 | BarnacleBob | sweet thanks |
| 02:16.00 | Throat | good to know the name of that factoid, though :) was just trying to remember the file and what you throw in |
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| 02:16.54 | Throat | b |
| 02:17.29 | wrench___ | hey debianites! do yall use iceweasel or regular ffox? |
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| 02:18.35 | abrotman | !why iceweasel |
| 02:18.35 | dpkg | Due to Mozilla logos licensing, Mozilla software isn't DFSG-free, so Debian distributes Mozilla software with different logos. One day Mozilla Corporation decided to revoke the agreement to let Debian use Mozilla trademarks, so Debian changed to non-trademarked product names. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozilla_Corporation_software_rebranded_in_Debian for more information. |
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| 02:20.30 | wrench___ | abrotman: so the software is the same..just teh name is different? |
| 02:20.42 | abrotman | mostly |
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| 02:21.19 | Silicon | is there any way to upgrade my etch, glibc to a newer version without breaking a bunch of packages or upgrading my distro? |
| 02:21.29 | abrotman | no |
| 02:21.33 | Silicon | k |
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| 02:24.41 | abrotman | imposter! |
| 02:24.51 | amphi | heh |
| 02:25.36 | abrotman | amphi: i got threatened with a spork in the channel tonight |
| 02:26.00 | amphi | the gift that keeps on giving |
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| 02:26.49 | abrotman | yeah .. like syphilis |
| 02:27.02 | abrotman | amphi: some day i'll repay you for that! |
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| 02:27.47 | l337ingDisorder | hey can anyone tell me how I can create a link so instead of having to type "/media/Cargo Bay/" I only have to type "/cb/" ? |
| 02:27.57 | wrench___ | hey all. im trying to get nvidia driver working. is complaining about "unable to find kernel source tree". says i may specify --kernel source path. dunno what that path is. |
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| 02:28.01 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: man ln ? |
| 02:28.21 | amphi | I had no idea what a monster would grow from such a humble egg :( |
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| 02:28.43 | abrotman | wrench___: don't use the nvidia.com .run |
| 02:29.19 | wrench___ | abrotman: ok...what would be better to use? |
| 02:29.27 | esaym | grr my ipod has stopped auto mounting in lenny |
| 02:29.34 | abrotman | wrench___: which card? |
| 02:29.49 | wrench___ | eGeForce 7600GT |
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| 02:31.00 | abrotman | etch? |
| 02:31.04 | l337ingDisorder | abrotman: i think that's specific to files isn't it? I tried ln -s /media/Cargo Bay/ /cb/ |
| 02:31.06 | l337ingDisorder | didn't work |
| 02:31.16 | abrotman | why not ? |
| 02:31.31 | abrotman | l337ingDisorder: alternately .. you could just make a shell alias |
| 02:31.58 | esaym | hmm but usb thumb drive still automounts.. |
| 02:32.09 | wrench___ | abrotman: yes sir...etch (im pretty sure--whatever the latest stable is..just downloaded and installed) |
| 02:32.13 | zythmer | l337ingDisorder: Is that exactly what you typed? You didn't quote/escape the space in Cargo Bay. |
| 02:32.20 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:32.20 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is apt-get install nvidia-kernel-2.6-`uname -r | sed 's,.*-,,g'` nvidia-settings nvidia-glx && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (if you're on amd64, also install nvidia-glx-ia32). Using sarge? Ask me about <nvidia_sarge>. Homegrown or kernel from testing/sid: <nvidia_post_etch>. If you're using a Geforce2 or older: <nvidia_legacy>. |
| 02:32.36 | biopyte | Troat: thanks for your button hint. bluetooth is now working. however it killed te wifi connection. |
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| 02:32.57 | l337ingDisorder | zythmer: yeah I thought it might be something along those lines |
| 02:33.03 | l337ingDisorder | abrotman: researching shell alias now |
| 02:33.18 | l337ingDisorder | zythmer: what's the escape code? (Or can I just use quotes?) |
| 02:33.48 | l337ingDisorder | zythmer: AHA! |
| 02:33.50 | l337ingDisorder | Many thanks! |
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| 02:37.14 | wrench___ | abrotman: `uname -r` 2.6.18-6-686 apt-get says couldn't find package nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 02:37.31 | abrotman | you need contrib and non-free sources |
| 02:38.15 | wrench___ | im sorry...i don't know what step to take from that info...im a debian newb |
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| 02:39.06 | wrench___ | but thank you very much for the info...migrating is scary. you rock! |
| 02:39.52 | esaym | ok so when I plug in my ipod, fdisk -l shows nothing and no new /dev/sd*'s show up. So how can I mount this? The the usb system stuff change in lenny recently or something? |
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| 02:40.22 | bwlang | anybody have an opinion on the merits of opekpkg? |
| 02:40.30 | bwlang | er... openpkg |
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| 03:17.32 | vilemaxim | how do you pass a facter varitable to a template? |
| 03:17.32 | obnauticus | Does anyone here have a blackberry that they use on debian? |
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| 03:20.11 | vilemaxim | obnauticus: I don't use a blackberry, but some of my clients do... on windows. I set them up with notify http://notifycorp.com/imap4_solutions/zimbra/index.htm so they could connect to their Zimbra server. Sorry if that doesn't help, but no one else was askeringso I figure I would offer what I knew... |
| 03:20.14 | vilemaxim | which is not much |
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| 03:21.07 | obnauticus | vilemaxim: well im trying to use it as a GPRS modem :\ |
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| 03:21.40 | vilemaxim | obnauticus: I guess that doesn't help at all then. |
| 03:22.03 | vilemaxim | Using puppet, how do you pass a facter varitable to a template? |
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| 03:22.44 | esaym | ok guys I found out that the ipod actually needed a hard reset and now debian sees it. Linux great quality; apple->crapple |
| 03:23.04 | linux2 | is kde4.1 in unstable yet? or is it experimental only? |
| 03:23.36 | PinkFreud | esaym: I could have told you that :) |
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| 03:24.13 | wols | !kde4 |
| 03:24.13 | dpkg | i heard kde 4 is a new and not-yet-complete version of the KDE desktop. It will not be released with Lenny but backports of KDE 4 packages are likely to be made. See http://ekaia.org/blog/2008/06/08/lets-go-for-kde-359-in-lenny/ Experimental packages for KDE 4.1 are available at http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/kde4.html but ask about these in #debian-kde, not #debian. See <kde version>. |
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| 03:31.13 | jbinder | Hi. |
| 03:31.19 | jbinder | I'm trying to install Debian on a Mac. |
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| 03:31.37 | wols | jbinder: intel or ppc? |
| 03:31.38 | jbinder | I use rEFIt as my master bootloader |
| 03:31.39 | jbinder | Intel |
| 03:31.53 | jbinder | And I wanted to make it use LILO solely for choosing which Linux kernel |
| 03:32.00 | jbinder | (once I choose linux in rEFIt) |
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| 03:32.07 | linuxguy | Lenny is due for release in afew weeks time......do you think the nvidia drivers will work properly......maybe even for slightly older cards like the fx5500? |
| 03:32.13 | jbinder | I was able to do this fine with Ubuntu but I'm having problems with Debian |
| 03:32.22 | wols | linuxguy: yes |
| 03:32.32 | wols | linuxguy: as for the "a few weeks", I dunno... |
| 03:32.43 | wols | !errors |
| 03:32.43 | dpkg | if you don't tell us the exact error messages you get, we can't tell you what's wrong, and it's also useful to know exactly what command you're typing. Please look for the *first* error that occurs, as this is often the cause of later errors, or - ask me about <localized errors> too |
| 03:32.53 | jbinder | It's asking Install onto Master Boot Record or new Debian partition... I think the latter. |
| 03:33.01 | googlah | So you guys saying Lenny will be officially out very soon? :-) Worth upgrading a production server on it? |
| 03:33.06 | linuxguy | wols.....distrowatch says about mid Septemeber for Lenny |
| 03:33.14 | wols | linuxguy: and? |
| 03:33.43 | wols | googlah: currently lenny is in freeze. only upgrade when it's actually released and declared stable |
| 03:33.46 | tecky | Distrowatch could be wrong? |
| 03:33.56 | wols | tecky: why "could" |
| 03:34.14 | tecky | wols: cuz i dont like stating things as a definate :P |
| 03:34.18 | wols | anyone who thinks debian announced release dates are worth spit has not used debian for any length of time |
| 03:34.24 | tecky | Distrowatch IS wrong ? |
| 03:34.26 | tecky | happy :) |
| 03:34.31 | linuxguy | erm I waas just asking about the drivers for nvidai as the ones out now are poor |
| 03:34.38 | wols | linuxguy: how so? |
| 03:34.50 | wols | linuxguy: considering lenny has no nvidia but nv only |
| 03:34.54 | googlah | wols: get it. Of course... Although I already knew it was in freeze. Hope to see some speed improvement, as my web-server and other processes killing it already now.:) |
| 03:35.01 | BarnacleBob | i'm trying to setup haproxy along with heartbeat on a pair of servers according to this article (http://www.howtoforge.com/high-availability-load-balancer-haproxy-heartbeat-debian-etch-p2) but on the secondary load balancer i can't start haproxy because it can't bind to the ip it doesn't have. i did the sysctl and net.ipv4.ip_nonlocal_bind=1 for sysctl but it is still not working. anyone know what i might be doing wrong? |
| 03:35.10 | wols | googlah: what makes you think it's faster? |
| 03:35.25 | jbinder | "You have chosen to install LILO on a partition that is not the active one. If this partition is not marked active, then LILO will not be loaded by the boot loader. This may cause you to be unable to bnoot into the system that is being installed. You should make this partition active unless you have another boot loader that will allow you to access your new Linux installation. Would you like to make this partition active?" |
| 03:35.26 | linuxguy | choppy screensavers......unable to get more than a 800x600 screen resolution......no compiz working.....need i say more? |
| 03:35.36 | jbinder | What does "active" mean? |
| 03:35.39 | wrench___ | hey all. I installed the "nvidia-kernel-source...deb" using dpkg. the driver script wants to know that the (nvidia) --kernel-source-path is. how could i find out what that should be? |
| 03:35.51 | wols | jbinder: you have a bootloader that makes the partition "active". rEFIt |
| 03:36.00 | wols | jbinder: nothing much. useless |
| 03:36.05 | jbinder | So I say "no"? |
| 03:36.05 | googlah | Dunno: better codes? more optimized? anyway, can't wait lol |
| 03:36.19 | googlah | wols |
| 03:36.25 | wols | googlah: do you believe in santa claus too? |
| 03:36.39 | wols | not to mention that etchnhalf has 2.6.24 while lenny uses 2.6.25 |
| 03:36.50 | wols | dunno if there was that much improvement in one minor version bump... |
| 03:37.20 | googlah | wols: Yeah, why not, he's right behind me |
| 03:37.28 | jbinder | Wtf, 'Running "/sbin/lilo" failed with error code "1". |
| 03:37.32 | linuxguy | this is where i got the info for the Lenny release http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20080804#upcoming + also it says that in a Linux mag in the UK |
| 03:37.33 | jbinder | ' |
| 03:37.43 | jbinder | I guess I'll try grub |
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| 03:38.54 | jbinder | wols: Is it possible to add Mac OS X to grub? |
| 03:38.57 | K|NgGh0sT | I am having an issue with getting tzdata file, I get the following error when installing it /var/lib/dpkg/info/tzdata.postinst: line 31: cp: command not found |
| 03:39.10 | K|NgGh0sT | When I do a google search all I get is similar but not the same errors |
| 03:39.14 | wols | jbinder: dunno |
| 03:39.17 | jbinder | k |
| 03:39.36 | wols | K|NgGh0sT: sid? |
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| 03:40.04 | K|NgGh0sT | yeah |
| 03:40.24 | wols | !sid |
| 03:40.25 | dpkg | somebody said sid was the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
| 03:40.28 | liable | that looks like an error in the postinst |
| 03:40.48 | liable | errant colon |
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| 03:41.30 | BarnacleBob | anyone worked with haproxy and heartbeat? |
| 03:41.31 | googlah | K|NgGh0sT: I guess you need the "coreutils" package. apt-get install coreutils |
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| 03:41.54 | tecky | !unstable |
| 03:41.54 | dpkg | it has been said that unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. Not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs apt-listchanges (!) See <testing>, <sid>, <sid faq><apt-listbugs><apt-listchanges>. |
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| 03:42.09 | tecky | agh |
| 03:42.13 | tecky | i didn't know that :( |
| 03:42.23 | tecky | i always related sid to unstable :( |
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| 03:43.46 | opensrcguru | BarnacleBob: perhaps |
| 03:43.54 | wrench___ | anyone know how to set up nvidia drivers in etch? |
| 03:43.59 | linuxguy | tecky.......i did to.......you only have to be in #sidux and they will tell you sid is unstable |
| 03:44.05 | wrench___ | im having mad trouble... |
| 03:44.35 | BarnacleBob | opensrcguru i'm having a problem on my failover node that haproxy wont start because the ips are not there, but i've already done the net.ipv4.ip_nonlocal_bind=1 for sysctl |
| 03:44.53 | K|NgGh0sT | googlah, I already have coreutils |
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| 03:46.02 | jbinder | Is a SATA drive IDE or SCSI or neither? |
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| 03:47.47 | linuxguy | jbinder, sata is ide.........just different ribbon connections |
| 03:48.08 | obnauticus | errr |
| 03:48.21 | opensrcguru | BarnacleBob: have you rebooted or echo'd 1 into /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_nonlocal_bind? |
| 03:48.22 | obnauticus | except different standards |
| 03:48.23 | obnauticus | and chipset |
| 03:48.27 | obnauticus | so basically IDE is nothing like sata |
| 03:48.40 | jbinder | lol |
| 03:48.45 | jbinder | What is SCSI? |
| 03:48.49 | BarnacleBob | opensrcguru i haven't rebooted. i'll try that. but i added the line to /etc/sysctl.conf and ran sysctl -p |
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| 03:49.16 | linuxguy | scsi.......suoa fast hd |
| 03:49.26 | linuxguy | >supa fast |
| 03:49.39 | mhymn | jbinder: linuxguy: afaik sata is scsi, at least its known in linux by scsi |
| 03:49.59 | jbinder | So it would be /dev/sd* |
| 03:50.01 | wols | mhymn: it's ATA |
| 03:50.04 | BarnacleBob | actually ide and sata are fundamentally different it would be more correct to say sata is like scsi |
| 03:50.13 | obnauticus | lol |
| 03:50.16 | wols | mhymn: the fact that it's using sd* has no bearing |
| 03:50.21 | ServerXP | Debian dont has the driver for my video adapter. The video card producer has made linux drivers. I downloaded it. How can i install theme? reference site: http://tinyurl.com/64vqfk |
| 03:50.33 | mhymn | wols: what about /proc/scsi/scsi ? |
| 03:50.42 | jbinder | may have just made his Debian partition unbootable again. |
| 03:50.42 | obnauticus | video card producer? |
| 03:50.45 | obnauticus | rofl what the hel |
| 03:50.46 | obnauticus | l |
| 03:50.50 | wols | ServerXP: debian has sis drivers |
| 03:51.16 | wrench___ | anyone know where kernel source is ? |
| 03:51.18 | wols | mhymn: SATA is using the ATA spec. end of it. no matter what driver model linux uses |
| 03:51.35 | wols | wrench___: have you installed the deb package for it? |
| 03:51.42 | BarnacleBob | opensrcguru sweet the reboot fixed it. thanks for that idea |
| 03:52.03 | jbinder | How is refit supposed to automatically get Debian as a choice? |
| 03:52.04 | linuxguy | mhymn,thanks......i wasnt to sure.........i got my info about sata and pata through a windows \ cisco course......which I passed 92% :) |
| 03:52.05 | wrench___ | wols: i did apt-get install kernel-package but im not sure where it put it. |
| 03:52.24 | wols | kernel-package is not source. it's a script to compile a kernel |
| 03:52.33 | opensrcguru | BarnacleBob: i knew reading that doc would help someone....eventually. ;) |
| 03:52.36 | wols | wrench___: ask for where its files are: dpkg -L kernel-package |
| 03:52.44 | wols | wrench___: why do you want another kernel? |
| 03:53.08 | BarnacleBob | opensrcguru you wrote that? it was very good. i've used heartbeat before on fedora but that helped out with debian differences and haproxy =) |
| 03:53.18 | wrench___ | wols: im just trying to get nvidia driver to work |
| 03:53.26 | mhymn | linuxguy: np but wols gave the instruction here, thanks wols ;) |
| 03:53.47 | wols | wrench___: and why do you need a new kernel for that? |
| 03:53.47 | wrench___ | wols: the driver script is complaining about not being able to find the kernel source |
| 03:53.50 | linuxguy | mhymn, .......no probs |
| 03:53.56 | opensrcguru | BarnacleBob: i didn't write it, i just read it. |
| 03:54.02 | BarnacleBob | ah |
| 03:54.03 | wols | wrench___: a) it doesn't need source b) we don't support that script in here at all |
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| 03:54.30 | wrench___ | wols: any idea where i might go for help with it? |
| 03:54.33 | wols | wrench___: and last but least it's not needed |
| 03:54.38 | wols | wrench___: #nvidia. their software |
| 03:54.44 | opensrcguru | bras. ha. |
| 03:54.52 | wols | wrench___: but it will break you debian. so have fun |
| 03:54.53 | wrench___ | wols: k thanks. |
| 03:54.57 | wols | *your |
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| 03:55.21 | wrench___ | wols: how am i supposed to use debian if i can't get the drivers working? |
| 03:55.38 | MermaidMan | is debian bleeding edge where a new software release happens the debian devs will add the new software to the repo? |
| 03:55.48 | ServerXP | wols: not for this kind of integrated video adapter. if i set to 1024x768x60 it is not well supported. i need to use 800x600x60 |
| 03:55.51 | wols | wrench___: you state the problem and ask here how to fix it |
| 03:56.12 | wols | !tell MermaidMan about stable |
| 03:56.23 | wols | MermaidMan: no |
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| 03:56.34 | wrench___ | wols: right...is there any way to enable dual monitors in debian? |
| 03:56.44 | MermaidMan | will they get bug fixes? |
| 03:56.53 | wols | yes. several ways. depending on the drivers you use |
| 03:56.58 | wols | MermaidMan: yes |
| 03:57.38 | wrench___ | wols: how can i find drivers to do this--that debian supports? |
| 03:57.40 | MermaidMan | so if a newer software version fixes the bug fix how will they fix it |
| 03:57.50 | wols | wrench___: what hardware? |
| 03:58.00 | wols | MermaidMan: in stable? usually no |
| 03:58.01 | wrench___ | wols: geforce 7600GT |
| 03:58.11 | wols | wrench___: debian comes with drivers for that |
| 03:58.18 | wols | !tell wrench___ about nvidia oneliner |
| 03:58.20 | MermaidMan | ?k |
| 03:58.40 | ServerXP | is someone able to explain to me how to integrate video driver in Debian? i have only these files: "sis_drv.la" and "sis_drv.so" |
| 03:59.08 | wrench___ | wols: that package is not found |
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| 03:59.28 | wols | ServerXP: the driver should come with docs. if not: ask whoever gave it to you |
| 03:59.48 | wols | wrench___: you are missing non-free and contrib |
| 04:00.00 | wols | ServerXP: for a hint: locate sid_drv.so btw |
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| 04:01.33 | ServerXP | wols: i downloaded them from intel web site. there is not docs about it. if you dont bielieve have a look to here http://tinyurl.com/64vqfk |
| 04:01.41 | linuxguy | just wondering my new kit arriving very soon has this graphics card GeForce 6100+nForce 410 will it be good to work with Lennny? |
| 04:02.42 | wols | ServerXP: I don't care. ask intel. their software, their problem |
| 04:02.54 | wols | !hcl | linuxguy |
| 04:03.02 | wols | !hcl |
| 04:03.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 04:03.08 | wrench___ | wols: I found the non-free packages earlier: nvidia-glx-xxx, nvidia-kernel-xxx, and nvidia-kernel-source from the debian site...but i cannot figure out how to install them with dpkg. the are all .deb files. |
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| 04:03.26 | wols | wrench___: I told you to add non-free and contrib to your sources.list |
| 04:03.34 | wols | !tell wrench___ about non-free |
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| 04:04.11 | infinitycircuit | how do i list all available packages from a certain repository in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 04:04.31 | infinitycircuit | i would presume you can use grep-dctrl or aptitude but i'm not sure how |
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| 04:05.42 | ServerXP | how can i integrate drivers in to Debian? |
| 04:06.14 | UD | modprobe |
| 04:06.57 | wols | UD: he is talking about X drivers. doubt modprobe works there :) |
| 04:07.14 | UD | oh |
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| 04:09.39 | icedtea | what are the -vserver- kernels? |
| 04:09.49 | wols | !vserver |
| 04:09.49 | dpkg | Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. It's comparable to BSD jail or Solaris zones. http://wiki.debian.org/LinuxVserver |
| 04:10.17 | icedtea | cool, thanks |
| 04:10.34 | mhymn | infinitycircuit: run aptitude then select all categories in 'not installed packages' section one by one by pressing the + |
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| 04:13.13 | wrench___ | wols: awesome! that enabled me to startx. what might i do to enable dual monitors? |
| 04:13.27 | wols | !twinview |
| 04:13.27 | dpkg | twinview is, like, adding two device sections for the same card in XF86Config-4, adding two monitors, adding two screens, and having a screen layout that uses both. For nvidia twinview ask nvidia twinview |
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| 04:13.33 | wols | try nvidia-settings |
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| 04:15.59 | wrench___ | wols: cant find nvidia-settings |
| 04:17.35 | wols | wrench___: it is there. in contrib |
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| 04:18.00 | wols | !tell wrench___ about nvidia twinview |
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| 04:24.37 | william__ | sling: I am back |
| 04:25.00 | william__ | sling: tried to find document root in apache2.conf but could not |
| 04:28.48 | jbinder | Does debian testing's default kernel support EFI? |
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| 04:33.22 | icedtea | CONFIG_EFI=y |
| 04:33.24 | icedtea | yes |
| 04:33.40 | jbinder | k |
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| 04:34.01 | icedtea | thats if you use 2.6.25-2-686 |
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| 04:36.27 | lkthomas | hey gius |
| 04:36.29 | lkthomas | guys |
| 04:36.37 | lkthomas | if I want to create raid0+1 by mdadm |
| 04:36.45 | lkthomas | should I do this: I create disk 1 and 2 -> md0 (raid0), disk 3 and disk 4 -> md1 (raid 0), then, md0 and md1 -> md2 (raid1) ? |
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| 04:38.14 | BarnacleBob | lkthomas thats what a raid card normally does. i'm not sure of the reasoning behind it tho |
| 04:38.26 | lkthomas | hmm, ok |
| 04:38.29 | lkthomas | thanks man |
| 04:38.34 | BarnacleBob | np |
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| 04:48.55 | wols | lkthomas: fyi you have no raid card |
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| 04:53.50 | screamingbytes | well now that just sucks |
| 04:54.06 | screamingbytes | i blew my other deb sys installing hotplug |
| 04:54.08 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 04:55.22 | screamingbytes | somehow installing hotplug removes vmlinuz, i got a warning, and I said no, don't remove vmlinuz, and quit install, it did it anyway lol |
| 04:55.43 | miksuh | hotplug is obsolete |
| 04:56.04 | screamingbytes | it was on etch, and i couldn't get my usb drives to work |
| 04:56.14 | screamingbytes | so i thought id give it a try |
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| 04:57.27 | screamingbytes | but that's probably why it blew out my system |
| 04:58.06 | miksuh | it is on etc, but you don't need it because hal+udev replace it |
| 04:58.11 | miksuh | etch |
| 04:59.58 | lllsxh | how to change video drivers setting. i need to switch from sis to vesa video driver. how to? thanx |
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| 05:00.34 | Jyzygzy- | in Xorg.conf |
| 05:01.14 | lllsxh | Jyzygzy-: does exist a sort of wizard? |
| 05:01.31 | lllsxh | i mean a front end app |
| 05:01.49 | Jyzygzy- | well there is a ncurses one |
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| 05:02.21 | lllsxh | Jyzygzy-: i have a look, thank you |
| 05:02.40 | Jyzygzy- | its something like dpkg --reconfigure x-server |
| 05:02.52 | cplx | hi can someone assist me on setting up sendmail with exchange.. all i want to do is set it up so I can go - 'mailx -s bb@domani.com' and recieve a message via my exchange server (internally) |
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| 05:04.40 | _cvn | hi how do i make a ssh tunnel for http? |
| 05:05.02 | lllsxh | Jyzygzy-: and using reconfigure? |
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| 05:05.16 | mhymn | lllsxh: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 05:05.28 | Jyzygzy- | yea thats it |
| 05:05.30 | lllsxh | sorry, i seen your post later |
| 05:05.38 | mhymn | Jyzygzy-: ;) |
| 05:05.48 | Jyzygzy- | but much easier way is to vim /etc/X11/Xorg.conf |
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| 05:06.22 | lllsxh | Jyzygzy-: i imagine, but im afraid |
| 05:06.38 | enouf | !comfort lllsxh |
| 05:06.38 | dpkg | There, there, lllsxh. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 05:07.01 | Jyzygzy- | lol |
| 05:07.36 | mhymn | it has a angry side too, look: |
| 05:07.39 | mhymn | !lol |
| 05:07.39 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 05:08.00 | streuner | lol |
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| 05:08.25 | lllsxh | in pcbsd with kde there is an utility by default that let you choose which drivers set and when u apply it restart x and if the result its wrong it retur to the previous state |
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| 05:12.49 | K|NgGh0sT | I cannot seem to cp anything but I already have coreutils installed, what do I do? |
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| 05:14.25 | wols | check your PATH |
| 05:14.28 | RudyValencia | Hi, how many of the CD images do I need to do an install of Debian without a lot of Internet connectivity? |
| 05:14.45 | _cvn | hi how do i make a ssh tunnel for http? |
| 05:14.49 | wols | RudyValencia: only the 159MB netinst but that's a bare installatin |
| 05:15.20 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm getting the error of bash: cp: command not found |
| 05:15.37 | RudyValencia | Can I install Debian with just disc #1 of the multi-disc set? |
| 05:15.52 | wols | RudyValencia: yes |
| 05:16.02 | wols | K|NgGh0sT: and I told you what to do |
| 05:16.06 | RudyValencia | What are the other discs? Just extra packages? |
| 05:16.36 | K|NgGh0sT | wols, I locked up so I missed anything that was said to me before I logged back in |
| 05:16.41 | K|NgGh0sT | Sorry |
| 05:16.45 | wols | RudyValencia: debian is huge and cd packages are ordered by popularity |
| 05:16.54 | RudyValencia | Ah |
| 05:16.56 | wols | packages installed by more debian users are on the first cd |
| 05:17.10 | RudyValencia | So disc 1 contains the basics and popular programs? |
| 05:17.13 | wols | K|NgGh0sT: < wols> check your PATH |
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| 05:17.21 | K|NgGh0sT | its not the path |
| 05:17.22 | wols | RudyValencia: basically yes |
| 05:17.32 | wols | then check for the cp binary |
| 05:17.33 | RudyValencia | Kinda like Ubuntu's 1-CD install. |
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| 05:17.38 | K|NgGh0sT | the whole cp command is gone |
| 05:17.43 | RudyValencia | OK. |
| 05:18.03 | zu22 | i have apache2 running in etch, i visited my web via remote site and then i checked /var/log/apache2/access.log is empty, where can i find my visitor stats (ip address etc)? or how do i set it up so it will log |
| 05:18.24 | K|NgGh0sT | wols, how do I do that? |
| 05:18.59 | wols | zu22: that's the right file and it is logging by default |
| 05:19.06 | wols | K|NgGh0sT: man ls |
| 05:19.23 | zu22 | wols: so why didn't the file log anything when i visited site from a remote account? |
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| 05:20.11 | zu22 | wols: i visited it from two remote accounts in fact, so it should have logged something |
| 05:20.44 | wols | check the apache2 error log? |
| 05:20.54 | K|NgGh0sT | brb |
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| 05:20.57 | wols | and check what http server is actually running |
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| 05:23.27 | zu22 | wols: there are 2 files in /var/log/apache2, access.log and error.log, both have 0 filesize and permissions -rw-r----- 1 root adm , and i am logged in as root |
| 05:23.47 | wols | restart your syslog daemon |
| 05:23.57 | zu22 | wols: ok |
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| 05:25.44 | zu22 | wols: here is they ps paste (is it normal to have so many httpd processes?): http://pastebin.ca/1165632 all my web has right now is just the default test page |
| 05:25.49 | zu22 | s/they/the |
| 05:26.37 | zu22 | wols: i just restarted syslogd (/etc/init.d/sysklogd restart) shall i try to access my web from a remote site and see if it logs it this time? |
| 05:26.38 | wols | zu22: you did not install apache2 on etch |
| 05:27.06 | wols | zu22: dpkg -l libc6 |tail -1 |
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| 05:28.31 | zu22 | wols: |
| 05:28.40 | zu22 | wols: ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
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| 05:28.58 | wols | and how did you install your apache2? apt-cache policy apache2 |
| 05:28.59 | zu22 | wols: i did install apache2 on etch, here is my log: http://pastebin.ca/1165634 |
| 05:29.25 | zu22 | wols: i did "apt-get install apache2" and it added in the other package dependencies automnatically and installed them |
| 05:29.33 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:29.58 | wols | under debian, apache runs under www-data. not "apache" |
| 05:30.19 | zu22 | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1165636 |
| 05:30.48 | zu22 | wols: when it installed it didn't ask me what it wanted to run under, it just did the default, how can i fix this? |
| 05:31.32 | zu22 | wols; this is clean instance of etch on a VPS btw. |
| 05:31.39 | wols | zu22: http://pastebin.ca/1165639 |
| 05:31.44 | wols | that's how it looks under debian |
| 05:31.57 | wols | no "apache" user in sight and no funny settings for apache |
| 05:32.20 | zu22 | wols: but i installed it from a debian repo, i don't see what i did wrong |
| 05:32.31 | zu22 | wols: how can i fix this? |
| 05:33.16 | wols | I would uninstall and purge apache2.2-common |
| 05:33.25 | wols | and make sure there is no /etc/apache2 anymore |
| 05:33.32 | zu22 | wols: ok, should i try pulling from a different repo insteasd of ftp.se.debian.org ? |
| 05:33.35 | zu22 | wols: k |
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| 05:33.45 | wols | it should be fine :( |
| 05:33.49 | wols | so I dunno what happened |
| 05:34.15 | wols | zu22: getent passwd www-data |
| 05:35.07 | zu22 | wols: i just purged all apache packages, 'dpkg -l|grep apache' now shows nothing |
| 05:35.27 | wols | check /etc/apache2/ |
| 05:36.03 | zu22 | wols: ok, /etc/apache2 has some stuff in there, i will delete that dirctory, ah weird, you want me to do that getent command now? i never used that before |
| 05:36.05 | wols | also check for /etc/init.d/http* |
| 05:36.12 | wols | no, don't delete |
| 05:36.17 | zu22 | wols: oh ok |
| 05:36.25 | wols | ls -l /etc/apache2 to show what's in there |
| 05:36.34 | wols | and yes I want you to do the getent command |
| 05:36.38 | wols | and the init.d check too |
| 05:36.46 | zu22 | wols: ok, gotcha |
| 05:36.51 | wols | it looks like you have some other httpd installed at one time perhaps? |
| 05:37.16 | wols | we don't want to repeat the mess from before when you rienstall apache2 :) |
| 05:37.43 | joneal | hi |
| 05:37.44 | zu22 | wols: heh yeah |
| 05:37.49 | zu22 | wols: here you go: http://pastebin.ca/1165646 |
| 05:38.18 | zu22 | wols: maybe the techs who setup my VPS installed it for me and never told me |
| 05:38.54 | wols | zu22: dpkg -S /etc/init.d/httpd |
| 05:38.59 | wols | and yes it looks like it |
| 05:39.39 | wols | that httpd file there looks suspicious. probably by the VPS default install. hosters always install lots of shit |
| 05:40.00 | zu22 | wols: dpkg: /etc/init.d/httpd not found. |
| 05:40.21 | wols | they didn't even use debs. morons |
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| 05:40.32 | zu22 | wols: heh i used file on it it says: /etc/init.d/httpd: Bourne-Again shell script text executable |
| 05:40.33 | wols | dpkg -S /usr/sbin/httpd |
| 05:40.33 | dpkg | Badgers ate my /usr/sbin/httpd! |
| 05:40.46 | wols | dpkg: shutup |
| 05:40.46 | dpkg | yes master, I'll STFU |
| 05:40.57 | wols | use that 2nd dpkg command there |
| 05:41.23 | zu22 | wols: still says: dpkg: /usr/sbin/httpd not found. |
| 05:41.28 | wols | basically you didn't run the apache2 from dbeian but some shitty hoster provided httpd |
| 05:41.48 | wols | ok, delete /etc/init.d/httpd and its symlinks in /etc/rc?.d |
| 05:41.54 | zu22 | wols: ok |
| 05:41.59 | wols | oh stop |
| 05:42.02 | zu22 | ok |
| 05:42.04 | wols | first /etc/init.d/httpd stop |
| 05:42.05 | zu22 | i didnt do anything yet :) |
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| 05:42.11 | wols | to stop the apache for them |
| 05:42.15 | Debian_73 | Hi can someone help me, im trying to create a new user and I get this errors: http://pastebin.com/d5daacf0d |
| 05:42.23 | wols | and then the rm to make sure it never ever starts again |
| 05:42.33 | zu22 | wols: ok i stopped it, will rm now |
| 05:43.20 | wols | now rienstall apache2 |
| 05:44.04 | zu22 | wols: i also found a /httpd/ should i rm that dir too? |
| 05:44.16 | wols | I guess |
| 05:44.48 | zu22 | wols: for stuff like ./rc0.d/K20httpd i just delete the fiel correct? i never messed much with rc* |
| 05:44.55 | wols | yes |
| 05:45.08 | zu22 | wols: and it is ok to rm /apache2/ dir also? |
| 05:45.10 | wols | files in rc? are symlinks anyways |
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| 05:45.38 | wols | afaik yes. problem is I dunno how they installed it. maybe they even gave you some panel you need to use for something or such |
| 05:45.47 | wols | I can't say. it's the hoster crap. not debian |
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| 05:46.13 | wols | it costs some space and is ugly as sin (dirs off / ? ick!) |
| 05:46.15 | zu22 | wols: so nice of them to "help" me in this way eh? sheesh |
| 05:46.15 | Debian_73 | Hi can someone help me, im trying to create a new user and I get this errors: http://pastebin.com/d5daacf0d |
| 05:46.29 | DawnLight | good morning |
| 05:47.46 | zu22 | wols: why is ps still showing all those /usr/sbin/httpd running? i thought i stopped and then purged all that crap |
| 05:47.58 | zu22 | wols: should i kill those processes before i install apache2? |
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| 05:48.23 | wols | zu22: yes |
| 05:48.34 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.37 | DawnLight | Debian_73: does /home/xchat exist when you type it? |
| 05:48.38 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:48.47 | zu22 | wols: yeah maybe they went zombie |
| 05:48.50 | wols | as I just said, yes |
| 05:49.06 | screamingbytes | i was typeing and enter when you entered |
| 05:49.23 | DawnLight | Debian_73: some scripts check for your $PWD and if it was removed while you were still 'in' it, they won't work |
| 05:49.31 | zu22 | wols: should i rm /usr/sbin/httpd or leave it ? |
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| 05:51.26 | wols | your choice |
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| 05:53.03 | mhymn | just ask them what was the matter with the default debian apache2? |
| 05:54.13 | DawnLight | what's the deal with the vga kernel parameter; can i make my virtual consoles' resolution higher? |
| 05:54.37 | Debian_73 | <DawnLight> Debian_73: does /home/xchat exist when you type it?......... no I deleted that account already before making "xchat3" |
| 05:55.32 | Debian_73 | if I try to do cd /home/xchat I get errors saying it doesnt exsist, so im assuming it deleted that folder(s) as it should have. |
| 05:55.53 | wols | Debian_73: that's why you got some errors probably |
| 05:56.40 | Debian_73 | ok what can I do now? just go back on root and make a new user? maybe xchat4? |
| 05:57.22 | zu22 | myhmn: yeah |
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| 06:00.24 | wols | Debian_73: why? |
| 06:00.44 | Debian_73 | well I need to be able to create a user and access its folder. |
| 06:00.58 | Debian_73 | seems im just getting one error after the other trying to do so |
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| 06:04.16 | zu22 | wols: oh yay a new problem with apache (sigh), /var/log/apache2/error.log shows http://pastebin.ca/1165674 yet top is showing 136MB of physical memory free, shouldn't that be enough? oddly i am still able to connect to my web but ps shows no httpd process lol! |
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| 06:04.29 | Debian_73 | ok I think I found the problem I didnt give the account a real name, I left it blank oringally, not sure if that matters, but it seemed to help anyway |
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| 06:05.04 | wols | zu22: ps aux |grep apache |
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| 06:05.21 | zu22 | wols: returns nothing |
| 06:05.24 | wols | zu22: and netstat -anp |grep 80 |
| 06:05.38 | zu22 | wols: yet you can still access my web (www.jesujuva.org) |
| 06:05.43 | zu22 | wols: ok doing netstat now |
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| 06:06.12 | zu22 | wols: netstat shows unix 2 [ ACC ] STREAM LISTENING 37929808 32404/mysqld /tmp/mysql.sock |
| 06:06.27 | wols | zu22: run "free" |
| 06:06.36 | mhymn | Debian_73: just logout and login again with xchat3, shouldnt be any problem i guess |
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| 06:07.50 | zu22 | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1165683 most of the memory being used is from the mysqld processes running, i never installed it but i guess when they installed the DirectAdmin control panel they installed it |
| 06:07.55 | geek_ | is there any place thats got a newer version of VLC for etch with mp3 and aac support included? i'm not able to get audio streaming to work on the version thats comes with etch |
| 06:08.14 | wols | zu22: their httpd was for directadmin I guess |
| 06:08.18 | zu22 | wols: i wonder what the heck is serving my website if there is no httpd or apache processes running? so weird! |
| 06:08.23 | zu22 | wols: ahh |
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| 06:08.40 | wols | the amount of free memory and no buffers is strange. VPS probably |
| 06:08.54 | wols | zu22: that's my question too... |
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| 06:09.22 | zu22 | wols: ah, so i don't have enough memory to run apache? guess i will have to use lighthttpd, hope it provides raw access log like apache does so i can run AWstats on it |
| 06:09.26 | wols | it's not your debian, that's for sure (if you were root when running netstat) |
| 06:09.37 | zu22 | wols: want me to do a full process dumb and pastebin it? |
| 06:09.41 | wols | zu22: no. apache2 runs fine on 64MB or less |
| 06:09.46 | wols | that's not the problem |
| 06:09.50 | zu22 | wols: yeah i was root |
| 06:10.06 | wols | netstat will show what is listening on port 80 if anything |
| 06:10.14 | zu22 | wols: maybe there is web server running on the physical server my VM instance resides on i guess |
| 06:10.16 | wols | if there is nothing listening, the debian is not serving anything |
| 06:10.40 | zu22 | wols: oh man this is so weird heh, what should i do now? |
| 06:10.44 | wols | even if, you have your own IP and it should go to your server and nothing else. you have to ask the hoster |
| 06:10.51 | zu22 | wols: ok |
| 06:11.09 | wols | tell him ther is no http server running but you can still access your website |
| 06:12.14 | mhymn | what about a system reboot? |
| 06:12.17 | zu22 | wols: ok |
| 06:12.25 | zu22 | myymn: i can try that too |
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| 06:18.19 | DawnLight | can the virtual consoles' resolution be changed? |
| 06:18.47 | faileas | is there any place thats got a newer version of VLC for etch with mp3 and aac support included? i'm not able to get audio streaming to work on the version thats comes with etch |
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| 06:19.53 | mr_flea | With fcron, is it possible to have a job rerun at a later time if it exits with an error? |
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| 06:21.18 | mhymn | DawnLight: framebuffer? vga=791? or ...? |
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| 06:23.15 | useridno | is there any significance to ps showing a (correct as per passwd file) user number instead of a userid for some processes? |
| 06:24.17 | DawnLight | mhymn: what does the vga parameter do? what is the debian default? |
| 06:24.29 | jescis | I'm using a 2wire router/modem and my isp is ATT/Bellsouth do I use the default gateway.2wire.net or something I make up myself? |
| 06:25.27 | DawnLight | jescis: are you configuring the router or the debian? |
| 06:25.53 | jescis | DawnLight, debian |
| 06:26.08 | DawnLight | jescis: then the gateway is the router's address |
| 06:26.12 | jescis | DawnLight, I want it to be a server |
| 06:26.12 | DawnLight | usually |
| 06:26.31 | DawnLight | do you know how to configure port forwarding? |
| 06:26.49 | jescis | so for domain name I can use something different? |
| 06:26.51 | faileas | jescis: what kinda server? |
| 06:26.57 | faileas | well and that |
| 06:27.36 | DawnLight | jescis: do you have a domain? |
| 06:27.39 | jescis | faileas, everything listed in the install |
| 06:28.07 | jescis | DawnLight, not really >_> |
| 06:28.47 | faileas | jescis: hmm.. well, i'm assuming web server. you can just foward whichever ports you need from the router to the system. the domain name you set can be anything- just remember to set up a static ip address |
| 06:28.59 | jescis | if I set up DNS server do I need to still pay someone else for a domain? |
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| 06:29.15 | faileas | DNS server is local only. |
| 06:29.26 | jescis | ah |
| 06:29.31 | jescis | :/ |
| 06:29.38 | faileas | you can access those domain names with any boxes that use that server as a domain |
| 06:29.41 | useridno | jescis, you can get free domains like from dyndns |
| 06:29.56 | DawnLight | jescis: then leave the domain name empty |
| 06:30.04 | faileas | jescis: other than mail, you can use a free subdomain. |
| 06:30.13 | useridno | jescis, they'll be subdomains. |
| 06:30.19 | DawnLight | useridno: subdomains |
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| 06:30.42 | jescis | hhmmm |
| 06:30.46 | faileas | (which is good enough for most things. many mail servers blacklist dynamic DNS though) |
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| 06:32.40 | useridno | is there any significance to ps showing a (correct as per passwd file) user number instead of a userid for some processes? |
| 06:33.22 | useridno | I'm actually trying to get dansguardian working with clamav in lenny. DG shows as a (correct) number for the user id. |
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| 06:34.09 | faileas | is there any place thats got a newer version of VLC for etch with mp3 and aac support included? i'm not able to get the audio part of video streaming to work on the version thats comes with etch |
| 06:34.32 | useridno | just a bit strange. I usually associate that with messed up passwd files or source installs |
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| 06:35.31 | jescis | so no way to add a domain to the global dns server with me as its owner? |
| 06:35.46 | faileas | er |
| 06:35.51 | faileas | not for free, no |
| 06:36.03 | faileas | you can always pay for a domain/register one |
| 06:36.21 | faileas | you can then set that, or subdomains to point at your system |
| 06:36.41 | jescis | those cheap ones works 5 or 14!$? |
| 06:37.07 | faileas | you'll need to check with the ISP |
| 06:37.15 | jescis | s/!/~ |
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| 06:38.09 | jescis | and anything over setting up your internet costs more money to talk to someone at AT&T :( |
| 06:38.17 | faileas | er |
| 06:38.22 | faileas | AT&T is a registar? |
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| 06:38.32 | jescis | no, my isp |
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| 06:40.12 | faileas | different kinda isp |
| 06:40.20 | faileas | hosting provider might be more accurate |
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| 06:43.41 | zu22 | wols: you still here? |
| 06:44.23 | snacky | wols: I love you |
| 06:44.58 | faileas | is there any place thats got a newer version of VLC for etch with mp3 and aac support included? i'm not able to get the audio part of video streaming to work on the version thats comes with etch, and i really can't be bothered to compile a new one |
| 06:45.12 | zu22 | wols: i installed apache (1.3.34-4.1+etch1) and it works fine, and i verified it is logging to /var/log/apache/access.log, yet apache2 immediately dies with memory error whenever i try to run it, i will ask VPS to kill my DirectAmdin and then I can purge mysql and see if apache2 will work then. |
| 06:45.20 | jescis | faileas, I found that I can get one for 9.00$ from networksolutions.com |
| 06:45.31 | faileas | jescis: ^^ |
| 06:45.37 | faileas | per year? |
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| 06:45.45 | jescis | faileas, yep |
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| 06:45.55 | faileas | cool |
| 06:45.57 | zu22 | i got mine from godaddy for $10/yr |
| 06:46.14 | zu22 | since i registered domain via Google Apps i got free private whois info added on to it! |
| 06:46.24 | zu22 | i let Google handle my domain's mail |
| 06:46.45 | jescis | zu22, according to their site networksolutions.com was the first |
| 06:47.09 | useridno | faileas, you've searched backports |
| 06:47.16 | zu22 | jescis: the first was internic.net back when the US govt still handled domain registrations :) |
| 06:47.35 | jescis | zu22, haha cool |
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| 06:50.00 | faileas | useridno: i lettme give it a poke. backports.org? |
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| 06:50.47 | newbie | hello... i have a problem on my debian i'll try to explain it |
| 06:52.20 | newbie | I just edited my /etc/fstab and add an hda5 (my C: Window partition) and i made it to auto-mount on Linux, the problem is that now i can't acess my debian... every time i start it, it stops running |
| 06:52.29 | newbie | does anyone know a way to solve it? |
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| 06:54.24 | mhymn | newbie: paste the output of 'cat /boot/grub/menu.lst' in pastebin.com |
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| 06:55.25 | zu22 | myhmn: apache works fine now just not apache2 heh weird |
| 06:56.00 | zu22 | s/myhmn/mhymn |
| 06:57.18 | mhymn | zu22: and any luck with access.log ? |
| 06:58.28 | zu22 | mhymn: access.log now is updated fine running apache (old version not apache2) |
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| 07:04.18 | zu22 | weird i am ftp from host on 728kB/s to host on 100mB/s uplink and i am only getting 16.5 kB/s transfer speed! damn |
| 07:04.43 | zu22 | see if scp is any faster |
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| 07:05.46 | mhymn | imho installing a clean debian etch on that weird host would be a good idea! |
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| 07:07.21 | bmh | when ever i use apt-get (to install or upgrade) i get errors like |
| 07:07.22 | bmh | Err ftp://debian.planetmirror.com etch/main Sources Unable to fetch file, server said 'Permission denied. ' [IP: 203.16.234.20 21] |
| 07:07.34 | bmh | or |
| 07:07.34 | bmh | Failed to fetch http://debian.planetmirror.com/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz 403 Forbidden [IP: 203.16.234.91 80] |
| 07:08.05 | bmh | is there a way to fix this? |
| 07:08.07 | bmh | and where can i get a list of other servers/urls to try and get what i need from? |
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| 07:10.44 | mhymn | bmh: /msg dpkg sources |
| 07:10.48 | mhymn | bmh: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 07:13.07 | joneal | hi |
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| 07:15.09 | zu22 | myhmn: unfortunately i must rely on the techs to install the .iso and setup SSH access, i thought that is *all* they did but apparently not. |
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| 07:15.37 | zu22 | myhymn: unless they let me drive 300 miles up there and install it myself on the box hehe |
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| 07:16.02 | mhymn | :D |
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| 07:38.12 | exile777 | is this operating system pronounced DEE-bee-an, or is it DEH-bee-an? |
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| 07:39.22 | NightVision | deb-ian |
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| 07:40.35 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
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| 07:41.27 | mhymn | exile777: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian <-- it has pronunciation too |
| 07:41.37 | cr3rzemjest | when you type PS1=`date` , why it doesn't change? |
| 07:41.54 | cr3rzemjest | and it shows the time when terminal was launched? |
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| 07:51.07 | manu_hack | what is the file /etc/environment for? so it will be source for all users? |
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| 07:52.08 | Mathiazz | Is there a way for a user to change is own primary group? |
| 07:52.27 | Pollero | usermod |
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| 07:52.36 | dryrot | why would aptitude want to delete finger and procps ? http://pastebin.com/d65e1e1d4 |
| 07:52.48 | Mathiazz | thnks |
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| 07:57.12 | manu_hack | so /etc/default/locale and /etc/environment both have LANG? which one should be used? |
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| 07:57.38 | bad_image | Hello, I had apache2-mpm-worker installed using apt-get, but I didn't realize that when I recently compiled Apache2 from source codes. Now I need to apt-get upgrade, but it wants to update apache2-mpm-worker, which is no longer installed. How can I remove apache2-mpm-worker from the list of installed packages, without touching my compiled apache2 ? |
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| 07:58.08 | bad_image | I guess I need to know which file stores the list of installed packages, and delete apache2-mpm-worker by hand from it. |
| 07:59.00 | mhymn | dryrot: The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED <-- i think its obvious, isn't it? |
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| 08:02.18 | dryrot | mhymn: im using finger and procps! why does it think they are unused ? |
| 08:02.53 | bad_image | Fucking debian pile of shit, motherfucking standards-violating crap ! Fuck debian, fuck debian, fuck debian ! Debian is a piece of rectal fluid |
| 08:03.54 | liable | why is its debians fault when you were the one that fucked it up? |
| 08:03.55 | exile777 | how can somehting be a piece of fluid? |
| 08:04.00 | dryrot | bad_image: if you compiled apache locally, from source, and stuck it somewhere, i do not think removing a debian package will affect that |
| 08:04.42 | dryrot | oh and fuck you too! |
| 08:04.44 | bad_image | dryrot, well, I compiled apache with --prefix=/usr, so it overwrited the previous version, installed using apt-get. |
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| 08:05.18 | dryrot | so you installed apache from the package. then you wrote over that with your own install. that will break something dont you think ? |
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| 08:05.37 | mhymn | dryrot: you can disable that kinda handling though, you should uncheck the removing unused packages automatically in aptitude |
| 08:05.43 | dryrot | next time stick your custom install of apache somewhere else, definitely not in /usr if you are going to use the apache package |
| 08:06.03 | bad_image | dryrot, It was an accident, I overlooked apache2-mpm-worker installed from the repository |
| 08:06.03 | exile777 | . |
| 08:06.19 | dryrot | i put stuff like that in /opt |
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| 08:06.59 | dryrot | why dont you remove all trace of apache from your system then reinstall your custom compiled apache somewhere sane |
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| 08:07.23 | bad_image | dryrot, All I need to to is removing apache2-mpm-worker from the list of installed packages, but due to poor documentation of apt-get, I don't know what file could be edited |
| 08:07.32 | bad_image | need to do * |
| 08:07.52 | dryrot | if you want to know the files that apache2-mpm-worker package installs, try dpkg -L apache2-mpm-worker |
| 08:08.19 | dryrot | apt-get is just an interface to the dpkg program, you can probably read the man page for dpkg and figure it out, it's not that poor |
| 08:08.35 | bad_image | dryrot, no, I want to know the file that apt-get uses to determine whether apache2-mpm-worker is installed, or not. |
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| 08:09.13 | dryrot | you could: dpkg -l |
| 08:09.13 | Mathiazz | ĆÆĀ»ĀæIs there a way for a user to change it s own primary group? you say usermod, but only root can use it, not the user |
| 08:09.16 | dryrot | that'll tell you what is installed |
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| 08:09.39 | liable | its in the status file. have fun breaking your system |
| 08:09.58 | liable | and dont blame debian for your incompetence |
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| 08:10.05 | exile777 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:10.07 | bad_image | dryrot, Thanks, strace dpkg -l 2>&1 | most and now I'm going to have the filename soon |
| 08:10.10 | exile777 | unless it's at work |
| 08:10.23 | dryrot | there's probably an easier way of doing whatever the hell you are trying to do |
| 08:10.29 | bad_image | dpkg-query |
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| 08:10.41 | bad_image | -l |
| 08:10.54 | Coke | Hi. sudo nspluginwrapper -i libflashplayer.so -> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for libflashplayer.so. The symlinking doesn't help this problem, how can I make it install the shared object correctly? |
| 08:11.10 | Pollero | Mathiazz: no you can't change group wothout uid=0 |
| 08:11.33 | exile777 | bad_image, why not just tell apt to uninstall the package that it thinks it has installed? |
| 08:12.15 | bad_image | exile777, because I have my own version of Apache in the same directory |
| 08:12.28 | exile777 | heh |
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| 08:14.06 | Mathiazz | ĆÆĀ»ĀæPollero : is it bad for security if i write script executable through sudouers, who give right to some users to change there group (projetct1 , project2, p3 ...) |
| 08:14.10 | exile777 | it's already broken, i'd backup my configurations, and uninstall my version of apache, then reinstall the official one. that seems like the only way to make a package manager happy |
| 08:14.41 | Pollero | Mathiazz: of course. Why do you want todo something like that? Can't you just add user to multiple groups? |
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| 08:16.04 | bad_image | I tweaked /var/lib/dpkg/status |
| 08:16.13 | bad_image | dpkg -l now don't show apache2-mpm-worker |
| 08:16.13 | dpkg | No packages found matching now don't show apache2-mpm-worker |
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| 08:17.38 | Mathiazz | ĆÆĀ»ĀæPollero i will have several group, g1 g2 g3 ... if the user u1 is working for two group, g1,g2, and if the primary group of u1 is g1, u1 can t write a file with g2 group |
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| 08:18.18 | Pollero | Mathiazz: yes he can if permission is correct |
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| 08:18.29 | Pollero | but you should do what you see best option for you |
| 08:19.12 | Mathiazz | ĆÆĀ»ĀæPollero i think the only way is to use the ACL |
| 08:19.36 | Mathiazz | ĆÆĀ»ĀæPollero do you know the impact on the system |
| 08:19.55 | Coke | None of the googled "solutions" work, the nspluginwrapper consistantly gives me "no appropriate viewer found for ./libflashplayer.so". |
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| 08:22.09 | Coke | My kernel has support for 32bit elf, yada yada. |
| 08:22.10 | bad_image | Coke, is libflashplayer.so a symlink or a file? |
| 08:22.16 | Coke | bad_image: a file |
| 08:22.27 | bad_image | Coke, and you're running 64bit ? |
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| 08:22.48 | Coke | Yes. |
| 08:23.20 | bad_image | Coke, that's possibly the cause. |
| 08:23.30 | Coke | bad_image: you have no clue. |
| 08:23.33 | bad_image | Coke, Are you sure your FF is 64bit ? |
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| 08:24.51 | Coke | bad_image: Iceweasel is from the 64-bit Debian repo, supposedly nspluginwrapper can run 32-bit plugins, like crap flash |
| 08:25.04 | Coke | bad_image: the other solution for me is to download a 32-bit version of firefox |
| 08:25.11 | bad_image | Coke, yes |
| 08:25.32 | Coke | only the gods know how many errors, bugs and howto's I will have to go through to make 32-bit firefox work on deb 64-bit |
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| 08:26.29 | Coke | Hm. There doesn't even seem to be a 64-bit version of Firefox. |
| 08:26.45 | bad_image | Coke, I've 64bit Gentoo GNU/Linux. After I compiled FF, it executed nspluginwrapper and installed all plugins in found. When you have this problem with "no appropriate viewer found", maybe it don't recognize the file. |
| 08:26.49 | Coke | What the hell?! Is this the 18th century? Are we going backwards? Should I expect 8-bit CPU's to make a comeback soon? |
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| 08:27.14 | bad_image | Coke, I compiled by 64bit version of FF from the source codes, but on Lousy Debian, you're screwed. |
| 08:27.22 | Coke | bad_image: it's a matter of the package setting up nspluginwrapper and appropriate binaries, it doesn't. |
| 08:27.24 | kmeyer | wtf? |
| 08:27.28 | Coke | a bug report has been filed. |
| 08:27.32 | Coke | (not by me) |
| 08:27.37 | kmeyer | bad_image: if you're a gentoo whore, you're in the wrong channel |
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| 08:27.48 | zancdar | Wut |
| 08:27.54 | Coke | it worked a couple of months ago in testing, but the latest update it's broken |
| 08:27.55 | bad_image | kmeyer, I'm actually using Gentoo, Slackware and Debian |
| 08:27.59 | bad_image | kmeyer, and OpenBSD |
| 08:28.06 | Coke | kmeyer: Everybody's welcome here. |
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| 08:28.33 | kmeyer | Coke: I think bitching about debian and lauding gentoo isn't exactly on topic |
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| 08:28.41 | zancdar | So hello ! I've got a problem with ndiswrapper, when I do "~#modprobe ndiswrapper" it's doesn't work (cannot found ndiswrapper module) |
| 08:28.47 | Coke | kmeyer: he wasn't bitching about debian |
| 08:28.55 | kmeyer | oh alright :D |
| 08:29.01 | Coke | I was. |
| 08:29.18 | Coke | And I'm a Debian only user, have four testing workstations and two stable servers. |
| 08:29.21 | kmeyer | "but on Lousy Debian, you're screwed." seems like bitching to me. No big deal. Carry on. |
| 08:29.22 | bad_image | Coke, strace nspluginwrapper -i libflashplayer.so 2>&1 | less to see the details |
| 08:29.30 | tview | can someone recommend a way to measure disk throughput on debian. |
| 08:29.38 | Coke | bad_image: f*ck nspluginwrapper, it's a broken package. |
| 08:29.40 | kmeyer | tview: hdparm -t |
| 08:29.46 | tview | kmeyer: thanks |
| 08:29.48 | Coke | bad_image: I'm gonna try to execute the 32-bit firefox |
| 08:29.56 | bad_image | Coke, that works instantly |
| 08:30.03 | Coke | "it works" (tm) |
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| 08:32.01 | zancdar | Did you know how can I "modprobe" ndiswrapper ? |
| 08:32.20 | Coke | bad_image: it does not work |
| 08:32.26 | Coke | All I get is the crash dialog. |
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| 08:32.40 | zancdar | my driver is installed, but when I follow with modprobe ndiswrapper it's doesn't work |
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| 08:34.40 | bad_image | Coke, gdb firefox |
| 08:35.18 | Coke | bad_image: rm -rf /usr/local/firefox |
| 08:35.18 | bad_image | Coke, then type "run". After it crashes, type "bt" and check whether you can provide a reasonable backtrace. |
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| 08:35.44 | bad_image | Coke, Look, if something segfaults, it's better to debug it and find out why. |
| 08:36.07 | Coke | bad_image: I'm at work, I can't be bothered with doing primary testing |
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| 08:37.08 | RudyValencia | O |
| 08:37.13 | bad_image | Coke, Okay, maybe it segfaulted because you end up with both of 64bit and 32bit plugins in the plugins directory. They aren't removed with firefox / greasemonkey / mozilla or whatever GECKO variant you're using. They're kept in your system in order you need them later. |
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| 08:38.02 | RudyValencia | I'm installing an IRCd on my server (UnrealIRCd) that isn't a Debian package. What username should I use for the user it and Anope (IRC services) will be under? |
| 08:38.24 | Coke | bad_image: I only have the 32-bit crap flash plugin |
| 08:38.26 | bad_image | Coke, about:plugins will show you the list of loaded plugins (such as macromedia flash) and the exact directory, which contains them. |
| 08:38.37 | Coke | bad_image: I can't get firefox started, it starts with the crash dialog |
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| 08:39.05 | bad_image | Coke, start your term and type firefox --help |
| 08:39.41 | bad_image | Coke, How about firefox --safe-mode ? |
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| 08:41.21 | Coke | bad_image: same problem |
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| 08:44.31 | Orion_X11 | I have tried to install debian in my new pc but I am stuck in windows because everytime that I install the system it boots but then it hangs. I have tried to install in a sata hd (160gb). I am upset to be stuck in windows |
| 08:44.49 | Coke | Orion_X11: what kernel version on the install? |
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| 08:47.09 | bad_image | Coke, try to fill out or cancel the error reporting |
| 08:47.54 | bad_image | Coke, in a safe mode |
| 08:47.54 | Orion_X11 | Coke I have installed using the expert mode I have tried 3 or 4 different kernels, but no luck here :-( |
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| 08:47.55 | Coke | Orion_X11: 2.6.24 and upwards shoul work with most modern drives |
| 08:48.15 | bad_image | Orion_X11, debian is pile of shit, try to install the standards-compliant GNU/Linux distribution, it'll at least work. |
| 08:48.23 | fluxdude | what's the official program for managing/updating /etc/alternatives rather than just re-pointing the symlinks? |
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| 08:48.26 | Orion_X11 | my processor is an Athon 2.2 (64bits) X2 |
| 08:48.57 | bad_image | Orion_X11, you have to use newer kernel |
| 08:48.59 | RudyValencia | Hello. |
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| 08:49.22 | bad_image | Orion_X11, The cd you're installing from has an obsolete one. |
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| 08:49.44 | bad_image | Orion_X11, that's why your machine hangs up |
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| 08:51.33 | pekenora | hi |
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| 08:52.43 | Orion_X11 | My dvd is the one when they issued debian testing and the most actual kernel is somethint 686> 18 |
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| 08:53.19 | kimabrandt | Can someone explain to me how I can use 'groupadd' or 'useradd' within a debian package? |
| 08:53.37 | Orion_X11 | Is that outdated? |
| 08:54.05 | amphi | yes - .25 is in testing now |
| 08:54.08 | pekenora | have anyone try preload-deamon |
| 08:54.13 | Orion_X11 | Do I have to download a new debian dvd? |
| 08:54.13 | pekenora | and feel some difference? |
| 08:54.47 | amphi | Orion_X11: you can just install the kernel |
| 08:55.26 | koan | pekenora: I have enabled it some weeks ago, but I don't feel a dramatic difference |
| 08:55.33 | amphi | Orion_X11: apt-cache search linux-image 25 |
| 08:55.57 | Orion_X11 | amphi I am in windows. Stuck here |
| 08:56.22 | pekenora | I see |
| 08:56.25 | koan | I'm actually looking for a way to test the difference in speed numerically, but I don't know which program I have to use to do it |
| 08:56.44 | pekenora | yeah something like boot chart |
| 08:56.46 | pekenora | would be cool |
| 08:58.31 | Orion_X11 | amphi Do you think that if I download the new image it will solve my situation? |
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| 09:00.31 | amphi | Orion_X11: I cannot say |
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| 09:07.34 | wfq | hi guys |
| 09:07.37 | bmh | how can i get a list of all the packages installed on this debian machine? |
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| 09:08.28 | wfq | I have debian testing installed on my personal box but lately when I try to install whatever thing with apt-get install the process stops when reaching "Retrieving bug reports" |
| 09:08.37 | wfq | any ideas that I could follow please? |
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| 09:08.54 | liable | bmh: dpkg --get-selections |
| 09:09.02 | Appiah | ? |
| 09:09.05 | wfq | I did updated my box but Idid not do any upgrade and dist-upgrade since a month aprox |
| 09:09.22 | bmh | thanks liable |
| 09:09.26 | liable | or dpkg -l|grep ^ii |
| 09:10.08 | wfq | any ideas? |
| 09:10.16 | bmh | that one's nicer :) |
| 09:10.41 | liable | wfq: remove reportbug momentarily |
| 09:11.03 | liable | or try just upgrading that package |
| 09:11.20 | wfq | liable, pasting the sentence in google and trying to discover what you said. Thanks |
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| 09:12.16 | bmh | hmm, seems the url i specified when i installed debian a little while ago no longer works, i get permission denied errors, even in a web browser |
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| 09:12.27 | bmh | how can i find a list of other servers to try (for apt-get) |
| 09:12.35 | liable | !mirrors |
| 09:12.35 | dpkg | well, debian mirrors is http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt | ask me about <apt-spy> or <netselect-apt> | to make a mirror, see http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ or http://lists.debian.org/debian-mirrors/ |
| 09:12.43 | bob__ | hi - i'm using heartbeat to monitor (and take over) an ip on two servers, but i can only access nfs (sunrpc) on this ip from the two servers that are monitoring it. the other servers can only access the portmapper on the 'permanent' ip addreses |
| 09:13.07 | liable | hmm, is this a homework question or something? |
| 09:13.25 | liable | there was someone with a very similar question earlier :P |
| 09:13.43 | bmh | thanks again liable |
| 09:13.48 | liable | np |
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| 09:14.45 | wfq | liable, apt-cache policy shows me the same version in the server as the one that I have already installed for this package: apt-listbugs - Lists critical bugs before each apt installation |
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| 09:15.36 | liable | wfq: doh, i had a complete brainfart when i said reportbug.. i do remember having issues with it some time back, and removed it. |
| 09:15.51 | liable | listbugs that is |
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| 09:16.04 | liable | in fact i think its still uninstalled |
| 09:16.29 | liable | oh no, i reinstalled it |
| 09:16.42 | wfq | hmmm ... I was about removing it |
| 09:16.58 | liable | thats on sid though, whats the lenny version? |
| 09:17.33 | liable | tis .89 on sid |
| 09:17.59 | liable | i think there was some major perl fuckage going on for a while there |
| 09:18.54 | wfq | liable, /etc/debian_version is showing me only lenny. How can I check what exactly version I have ? |
| 09:19.21 | liable | wfq: libc6 version is prolly best bet |
| 09:19.30 | liable | !info libc6 lenny |
| 09:19.58 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.7-13 (lenny), Packaged size: 4333 kB, Installed size: 10508 kB |
| 09:20.09 | wfq | hmmmm I have got 2.7-10 |
| 09:20.25 | wfq | libc6 2.7-10 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:20.26 | liable | yeah, but you need to upgrade still :) |
| 09:20.44 | liable | its not etch's, and its not sids, so i guess your running lenny |
| 09:21.00 | wfq | liable, yes I know it is lenny... |
| 09:21.18 | wfq | well, so I should upgrade the system and wait with fingers crossed |
| 09:21.19 | liable | then why did you ask the question above? |
| 09:21.41 | wfq | liable, well I thought you wanted to know some further detailed information |
| 09:21.51 | liable | oh listbugs version |
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| 09:22.26 | wfq | http://dpaste.com/70652/ |
| 09:22.36 | liable | !info apt-listbugs lenny |
| 09:22.38 | dpkg | apt-listbugs: (Lists critical bugs before each apt installation), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.0.89 (lenny), Packaged size: 84 kB, Installed size: 428 kB |
| 09:22.51 | liable | lenny is same version as sid |
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| 09:23.55 | liable | wfq: try purging and reinstalling it. |
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| 09:30.46 | viciouslime | hi everyone :) I'm trying to package a project i'm working on and I've managed to get the deb to work just as I want it, except for menu entries... it installs a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/ but this doesn't appear in the menu until i restart gnome-panel, is there a command I can issue to update the menus after my deb is installed? |
| 09:31.18 | joneal | hi |
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| 09:32.08 | liable | viciouslime: update-menus ? |
| 09:32.20 | liable | funnily enough ;) |
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| 09:36.32 | viciouslime | liable: that requires installation of the menus package though... other packages manage to do this without depending on that package, is there another way? |
| 09:36.44 | viciouslime | menu package* |
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| 09:37.13 | liable | viciouslime: i think i have read about it in the developers reference. maybe check that, or ask in #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 09:37.27 | viciouslime | liable: thanks :) |
| 09:37.35 | liable | yw |
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| 09:59.03 | tview | What kind of read performance do yome of you get with SATA drives on debian? I am only getting 70MB/sec which seems a bit slow according to hdparm -t |
| 09:59.41 | rmrfchik | tview: what u expected? |
| 09:59.48 | rmrfchik | 81.37 MB/sec for me |
| 10:00.17 | tview | rmrfchik: googling now you might be right. I had it my head to expect a lot faster. |
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| 10:01.02 | rmrfchik | oh... on old box 15.13 MB/sec |
| 10:01.18 | tview | actually I was expecting in the 100s of MB/s |
| 10:01.52 | rmrfchik | you live in the future |
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| 10:04.57 | kiwizz | Hey |
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| 10:08.11 | Peanut | What packages are needed for md5 passwords? I've net-installed a system, provided it with md5-password-hashes, and now I can't login :-) |
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| 10:14.17 | kiwizz | I dont think anyone is online at the moment :( |
| 10:14.34 | fgeek | why do you think something like that? |
| 10:14.59 | kiwizz | noone said hello ;( |
| 10:15.08 | fgeek | hello |
| 10:15.36 | kiwizz | Can I ask you a question about cyrus? |
| 10:17.04 | Peanut | The imap server? |
| 10:17.57 | joltcan | !ask |
| 10:17.57 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 10:18.34 | njdube | I'm looking to generate a new gpg key pair with kgpg. Which algorithm is more secure or toughest to crack? DSA & ElGamal or RSA? I'm picking 4096 as the key size. |
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| 10:18.52 | kiwizz | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.21 | Peanut | What are the permissions on /var/run/cyrmaster.pid.lock, and the permissions under which you run cyrus? |
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| 10:22.32 | kiwizz | how do I check those? |
| 10:22.45 | Peanut | ls -l /var/run/cyrmaster.pid.lock |
| 10:22.46 | hatter | how do i stop gnome from opening a new window every time i click on it ? |
| 10:22.49 | kiwizz | im not a noob, but I dont know much about linux |
| 10:23.24 | liable | hatter: its buried deep in the menus somewhere, i forget exactly where. |
| 10:23.27 | kiwizz | there is no lock file |
| 10:23.31 | kiwizz | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5 2008-08-12 04:10 /var/run/cyrmaster.pid |
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| 10:24.20 | Peanut | Ok, so the lockfile is owned by root, but cyrmaster doesn't run as root usually, if I remember correctly. |
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| 10:24.39 | kiwizz | i think its a different user with its own mail directories |
| 10:24.51 | Peanut | If you look in /var/run/cyrmaster.pid, there is a number there. Is the process with that number still running? |
| 10:24.58 | Peanut | kiwizz: correct |
| 10:25.07 | Peanut | Did you perhaps accidently run it manually as root once? |
| 10:25.32 | kiwizz | sorry - how do I check processes? |
| 10:25.37 | kiwizz | the number is 2797 |
| 10:25.59 | Peanut | ps -f 2797 |
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| 10:26.04 | Peanut | sorry, ps -fp 2797 |
| 10:26.36 | kiwizz | cyrus 2797 1 0 04:10 ? 00:00:00 /usr/sbin/cyrmaster -d |
| 10:27.05 | Peanut | Ok, so it running.. what are the permissions on /var/run? ls -ld /var/run |
| 10:27.17 | kiwizz | drwxr-xr-x 11 root root 4096 2008-08-12 04:10 /var/run |
| 10:27.54 | Peanut | Ah ok.. then the problem is that cyrusmaster drops privileges and is no longer allowed to write in /var/run so it can't create the lockfile. |
| 10:28.04 | Peanut | Did you build cyrus from source or installed it as a debian package? |
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| 10:28.17 | kiwizz | Ive been following this tutorial http://wiki.ev-15.com/debian:mail_system and it seems like I have followed it to the word. |
| 10:28.24 | kiwizz | Debian package |
| 10:29.49 | Peanut | I've had a similar problem ages ago on Solaris with /var/run, and configured cyrus to put its lock-file somewhere else (/tmp) I recall. |
| 10:30.06 | Peanut | Sorry, meeting coming up, have to go, hope someone else can pick this up. |
| 10:30.13 | kiwizz | aww |
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| 10:30.25 | kiwizz | thx tho |
| 10:30.34 | Peanut | yw :-) |
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| 10:30.49 | kiwizz | so I can change the lock file location in the cyrus mail setup? |
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| 10:35.35 | kiwizz | anybody? |
| 10:36.02 | Pollero | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:37.19 | kiwizz | which config file? does the lock file have any data that would be lost if I put it in the temp directory? |
| 10:37.47 | Pollero | omg. check it yourself |
| 10:37.55 | Pollero | config files usually include that information |
| 10:38.13 | kiwizz | Sorry, ill look through the imapd.conf now |
| 10:38.16 | Pollero | and lock file contains only PID of that process |
| 10:38.43 | Blue_Mousey | How can i scan for network devices? |
| 10:38.55 | Pollero | what network devices? |
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| 10:39.23 | kiwizz | no information regarding the lock file in imapd.conf - do you know of any other conf files for cyrus? |
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| 10:42.40 | kiwizz | cyrus.conf also has no lock file |
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| 10:43.42 | petemc | kiwizz: looked in /etc/default/ |
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| 10:45.02 | kervel | hello, i'm fixing someone's computer that put a lot of junk in his /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:45.22 | kervel | and i wonder, if i do apt-cache show <package>, how i can see which source was used to have a certain package version |
| 10:45.46 | kervel | as the pc i'm trying to fix has 3 nautilus versions available, probably from outdated/junk repos |
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| 10:46.12 | Pollero | kervel: use showpkg instead |
| 10:46.23 | petemc | !list repositories |
| 10:46.23 | dpkg | To see what repository a package may have come from, try http://svn.noreply.org/svn/weaselutils/trunk/apt-listrepository or use dpkg -l | awk '/^ii/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}', or ask me about <obsolete> |
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| 10:49.21 | kiwizz | thx |
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| 10:51.46 | petemc | kiwizz: can you stop messaging me, i dont use or know anything about cyrus, it was just a suggestion |
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| 10:53.12 | Fjodor_ | Are there any specific versions of any tools that are needed to successfully build and boot a 2.6.27-rc1 kernel? |
| 10:53.38 | Pollero | nope |
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| 10:54.29 | Fjodor_ | Pollero: Ok, thanks. It's just that it panics with a "no init found", no matter what I tried, so I thought I'd better ask ;-) |
| 10:55.02 | Pollero | well if that kernel fires up then its working. You are just missing MB driver or something |
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| 10:56.06 | Tenkawa | Any of you running Xen dom0 in debian? |
| 10:56.47 | Fjodor_ | I guess I'll have to go over the options again, then. Weird thing is, that if I compile all the things I'm sure is relevant directly in, and don't use an initramfs, it comes as far as even mounting the root fs, it just won't run init (or a static busybox, for that matter) |
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| 11:00.11 | ruben | Hello, what is the way to put a password on a specific use non-interactive way? like echo user pass | passwd ? |
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| 11:02.04 | Fjodor_ | Pollero: That last message of mine describes why I'm puzzled. Any takes on that? |
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| 11:02.31 | Pollero | Fjodor_: you are missing something in that kernel ens of story :) |
| 11:03.11 | Fjodor_ | Pollero: Indeed. Anyone care to look at the config for me, 'cause I'm afraid I've stared myself blind on it :-( |
| 11:03.40 | Pollero | i dont have time or motivation, sorry |
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| 11:04.11 | Fjodor_ | Pollero: Fair enough. Thanks for answering at any rate :-) |
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| 11:04.36 | SethX | re all |
| 11:04.58 | Fjodor_ | Anyone care to look at a .config for me? :-P |
| 11:05.03 | SethX | how to sort installed packages by date, to see the last installed packages? |
| 11:05.37 | Pollero | SethX: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 11:05.56 | SethX | good hint. thanks |
| 11:05.56 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:07.00 | kiwizz | anybody experienced with cyrus? |
| 11:07.12 | wols | !anyone |
| 11:07.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 11:08.26 | amila_homa | guys, im trying to find the ipw3945 drivers in lenny, but apt is not showing me any. i have all the repos enabled. what could be the problem? |
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| 11:09.24 | kiwizz | How can I change the cyrus lock file location? |
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| 11:10.16 | amila_homa | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:10.19 | amila_homa | goo kapang choo beepang |
| 11:10.39 | wols | kiwizz: what lock file? |
| 11:10.56 | wols | !tell amila_homa about iwlwifi |
| 11:11.06 | amila_homa | thanks wols |
| 11:11.07 | amila_homa | :) |
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| 11:13.32 | amila_homa | wols, i got the firmware, and i modprobed it but iwconfig still shows me nothing |
| 11:13.33 | amila_homa | any idea |
| 11:14.02 | wols | check kern.log, check lsmod |
| 11:15.20 | amila_homa | wols, it';s there in lsmod |
| 11:15.26 | amila_homa | should i restart netowkring? |
| 11:15.40 | wols | ifconfig -a will show it if it's there. no need to restart |
| 11:15.46 | wols | iwconfig -a too |
| 11:18.02 | kiwizz | can't open pidfile lock: /var/run/cyrmaster.pid.lock (Permission denied) |
| 11:18.16 | Pollero | kiwizz: change permissions |
| 11:19.16 | kiwizz | how ? |
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| 11:19.28 | Pollero | kiwizz: chmod |
| 11:19.37 | Pollero | kiwizz: or chown |
| 11:20.41 | kiwizz | add the cymaster user? |
| 11:20.57 | Pollero | kiwizz: use your brain |
| 11:21.07 | amila_homa | tried, nothing :( |
| 11:21.07 | amila_homa | wireless switch is on |
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| 11:23.32 | amila_homa | i installed wpasupplicant |
| 11:23.35 | amila_homa | how do i run it? |
| 11:24.07 | kervel | hello, i tried apt-listrepositories but it shows /var/lib/dpkg/status as repo for almost every package |
| 11:24.09 | liable | amila_homa: theres some good docs in /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant |
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| 11:24.30 | tetraedr | hi |
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| 11:25.41 | tetraedr | I need some window navigation, control panel, application start panels and some run dialogue. any suggestions? just trying to work on openbox |
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| 11:27.58 | perfector | any kernel tweaks to improve performance? especially while recompiling |
| 11:28.34 | wols | !gentoosmite perfector |
| 11:28.34 | dpkg | spends 6 weeks recompiling perfector, and when it's all done, perfector runs 0.5% faster than previously |
| 11:28.44 | OpenTokix | wols: =) |
| 11:28.51 | perfector | wols, howdee |
| 11:28.58 | wols | perfector: compile for your exact CPU and be done with it |
| 11:29.13 | wols | also, usually the optimizer in latter gcc versions is better |
| 11:29.26 | perfector | wols, thats it? what abt the low-latency option? |
| 11:29.52 | wols | what's the point with the CFS scheduler? |
| 11:30.12 | wols | perfector: optimization is overrated and stupid to boot |
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| 11:30.43 | wols | "We should forget about small efficiencies, say about 97% of the time: premature optimization is the root of all evil." (Knuth, Donald. Structured Programming with go to Statements, ACM Journal Computing Surveys, Vol 6, No. 4, Dec. 1974. p.268.) |
| 11:30.50 | OpenTokix | -funroll-all-wols |
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| 11:30.53 | wols | words to live by |
| 11:30.57 | perfector | wols, hmm |
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| 11:31.08 | tetraedr | people, is there any way to make opebox window manager to auto-start some application? I want to make it run lxpanel |
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| 11:37.51 | rysiek | hi all |
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| 11:39.29 | rysiek | is there a way to specify (in /etc/network/interfaces) for a dhcp iface that we do not want a route/gateway set-up? |
| 11:39.40 | rysiek | besides post-up route del default gw .... |
| 11:39.41 | rysiek | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:40.22 | abrotman | you can ask dhclient to not request those |
| 11:40.22 | wols | rysiek: dhclient.conf might help. or a post-up script yes |
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| 11:41.14 | rysiek | right |
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| 11:41.15 | rysiek | thanks |
| 11:41.27 | rysiek | thinks dhclient.conf is The Right Way, isn't it |
| 11:41.32 | wols | yes |
| 11:43.13 | abrotman | we should have liable tell him about the chattr 'trick'! |
| 11:43.16 | abrotman | :) |
| 11:44.00 | liable | !beat abrotman |
| 11:44.00 | dpkg | beats abrotman with a large stick. |
| 11:44.47 | abrotman | hehe |
| 11:44.51 | nareshov | lol |
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| 11:44.59 | rysiek | abrotman: chattr on what |
| 11:45.05 | abrotman | rysiek: it was a joke .. ignore me |
| 11:45.13 | rysiek | likes jokes |
| 11:45.16 | abrotman | dhclient.conf is the right way |
| 11:45.20 | rysiek | gets curious |
| 11:45.33 | rysiek | now where on earth did I put it... |
| 11:45.41 | wols | abrotman: that only works for the resolver. |
| 11:45.41 | rysiek | searches for a long poking-stick |
| 11:45.48 | wols | what would you chatter for default gateway? |
| 11:46.04 | abrotman | i don't want to think about it :) |
| 11:46.11 | rysiek | abrotman: oh, come on, tell me |
| 11:46.15 | rysiek | pokes abrotman |
| 11:46.17 | wols | chicken! |
| 11:46.22 | rysiek | pokes abrotman |
| 11:46.24 | abrotman | rysiek: it's not relating to your problem |
| 11:46.24 | wols | I know it: a kernel patch is needed! |
| 11:46.34 | rysiek | meh |
| 11:46.44 | rysiek | puts down his poking stick |
| 11:46.50 | abrotman | rysiek: it was a joke about a different problem that is correctly fixed by changing the dhclient.conf |
| 11:47.14 | rysiek | m'kay |
| 11:47.31 | rysiek | but... everything is a file, right? |
| 11:47.39 | liable | good, i dont have to rant! |
| 11:47.53 | rysiek | so... routes are also kept in a file somewhere... |
| 11:47.56 | rysiek | hummm... |
| 11:48.12 | abrotman | rysiek: not any place you want to chattr |
| 11:48.14 | wols | rysiek: virtual files are different |
| 11:48.19 | liable | rysiek: if you are wanting to not get a route from your dhcp server, then dont use dhcp |
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| 11:48.23 | abrotman | and that would have completely different implications |
| 11:48.27 | wols | if anything it's in /proc |
| 11:48.30 | abrotman | liable: that's not a good answer! |
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| 11:48.41 | rysiek | liable: yeah, done it already through dhclient.conf |
| 11:48.48 | wols | rysiek: the routing table is in the kernel... |
| 11:48.51 | rysiek | liable: but that's the Right and Boring Way ;) |
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| 11:49.10 | rysiek | wols: ah, well,I don't think chattr will work then |
| 11:49.18 | liable | abrotman: why? |
| 11:49.24 | dbmoodbasdf | hi ah i upgrade to lenny.. .and go some package breakage any ideas for a fix ? |
| 11:49.27 | rysiek | wols: so as you said, a kernel patch is needed |
| 11:49.37 | wols | !tell dbmoodbasdf about errors |
| 11:50.08 | koan | what is a good wireless router for home that is able to run debian linux? |
| 11:50.10 | abrotman | liable: because if he needs a dynamic IP .. that's how to do it .. |
| 11:50.17 | dbmoodbasdf | broken packages - wols gnome is conlicting ... update-notifier ... xorg ... gedit ... mostly gnome related ... |
| 11:50.28 | rysiek | anywhoo, getting back to getting the job done |
| 11:50.40 | rysiek | thanks for the help |
| 11:50.45 | wols | koan: does not exist |
| 11:50.47 | rysiek | and see you all sometime |
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| 11:50.55 | liable | abrotman: but shouldnt the dhcp server give him the right gateway anyway? |
| 11:51.04 | wols | koan: well not totally true: an old PC can do it. but no embedded router |
| 11:51.11 | abrotman | liable: not every machine that has a dynamic IP needs to have a gateway |
| 11:51.34 | koan | ok then I'll have to search for a * linux router |
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| 11:51.43 | Pakorrerme | Hi |
| 11:51.50 | Pakorrerme | anybody has installed git over Debian |
| 11:51.56 | wols | koan: a wrt54g variant. just not necessarily those from linksys. see openwrt |
| 11:51.56 | dbmoodbasdf | abrotman: ah ? i dont follow that |
| 11:51.57 | abrotman | koan: ask #wireless .. but i think only the wrtg linksys ones .. and only certain models |
| 11:51.57 | Pakorrerme | I am trying to install it |
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| 11:52.04 | liable | abrotman: oh, is that what he was doing? |
| 11:52.08 | abrotman | liable: yes |
| 11:52.12 | wols | Pakorrerme: what#s the problem. it's in the repos |
| 11:52.14 | abrotman | dbmoodbasdf: i didn't answer your question |
| 11:52.20 | Pakorrerme | wols, no |
| 11:52.23 | dbmoodbasdf | --- i know that |
| 11:52.23 | koan | thanks wols and abrotman |
| 11:52.29 | Pakorrerme | wols, all well in the repos |
| 11:52.30 | wols | !info git-core etch |
| 11:52.40 | Pakorrerme | !git-core etch |
| 11:52.50 | liable | abrotman: my bad, i didnt read the whole lot, just noticed your comment. :P |
| 11:52.51 | dbmoodbasdf | i have an openwrt router --- but having a firewall isn't the most important thing ... provided you have a secure network |
| 11:52.52 | dpkg | git-core: (content addressable filesystem), section devel, is optional. Version: 1:1.4.4.4-2 (etch), Packaged size: 2275 kB, Installed size: 4812 kB |
| 11:52.56 | abrotman | liable: ok |
| 11:53.02 | Pakorrerme | perfect |
| 11:53.22 | Pakorrerme | I've installed git-core from repos |
| 11:53.31 | Pakorrerme | Backports repos |
| 11:53.35 | wols | dbmoodbasdf: everyone needs a router. routers with NAT are good |
| 11:53.46 | dbmoodbasdf | wols: everyone ? |
| 11:53.50 | wols | yes |
| 11:53.52 | petemc | no |
| 11:53.53 | dbmoodbasdf | ah? |
| 11:53.57 | dbmoodbasdf | tell that to ipv6 |
| 11:54.06 | liable | heh |
| 11:54.08 | wols | sure. when ipv6 is here |
| 11:54.10 | liable | touche |
| 11:54.11 | petemc | lots of people hate nat, for good enough reasons |
| 11:54.12 | dbmoodbasdf | oh noes my nat |
| 11:54.13 | Pakorrerme | wols, my problem is that i can't to configure gitosys |
| 11:54.19 | Pakorrerme | wols, my problem is that i can't onfigure gitosys |
| 11:54.29 | wols | !tell Pakorrerme about errors |
| 11:54.43 | Pakorrerme | thank you |
| 11:54.54 | wols | petemc: yes, but with more nat there would be less problems. you might not like it but that's like it is |
| 11:54.58 | dbmoodbasdf | ah why is tomboy in the gnome lenny release .... isn't that mono related ? |
| 11:55.02 | wols | routers are about the best thing happening to the interwebs |
| 11:55.19 | petemc | wols: bunkum |
| 11:55.23 | wols | just imagine millions of more windows installations directly on the internet |
| 11:55.27 | dbmoodbasdf | is mono dfsg compliant ? |
| 11:55.36 | wols | !info mono |
| 11:55.39 | dbmoodbasdf | wols: isps stopped that ages ago (mostly here) |
| 11:56.25 | dbmoodbasdf | am? |
| 11:56.42 | abrotman | mono is in main |
| 11:56.53 | dbmoodbasdf | so its free and compliant ? |
| 11:57.08 | dbmoodbasdf | isn't this a legal grey area ? |
| 11:57.20 | abrotman | why? |
| 11:57.26 | wols | abrotman: patents |
| 11:57.45 | dbmoodbasdf | wols: a whole programming language ? |
| 11:57.46 | abrotman | you honestly believe that nothing else in main may infringe on a patent ? |
| 11:57.47 | Pakorrerme | I've just installed git + gitosis in my debian distro but i when i try to connect with ssh i get some error like that: "fatal: destination directory 'gitosis-admin' already exists." What's happening? |
| 11:57.55 | abrotman | dbmoodbasdf: C# is an ECMA standard IIRC |
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| 11:58.09 | dbmoodbasdf | abrotman: ah... good that's a start |
| 11:58.21 | abrotman | nice of you to keep up :) |
| 11:58.31 | Pakorrerme | can anybody help me? |
| 11:58.36 | wols | dbmoodbasdf: parts of it are patented afaik |
| 11:59.01 | wols | abrotman: with mono it's sorta well known. no one obliges debian to check ALL patents everywhere |
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| 11:59.12 | dbmoodbasdf | ok i will read up on it and make up my own mind -- so debian's official position is its dfsg compliant enough ... for lenny so i will assume its being highly debated |
| 11:59.18 | abrotman | sure .. but does it matter if no one enforces the patents? |
| 11:59.38 | dbmoodbasdf | abrotman: .... i wouldn't say that debian violates patents |
| 11:59.42 | wols | abrotman: yes it does. becuase infringing makes dbeian liable directly. not good |
| 11:59.45 | liable | noone really enforces mp3 do they? but people are still scared of it |
| 11:59.56 | dbmoodbasdf | its still not legal |
| 11:59.58 | wols | liable: they do. but there is a open source exception for decoding |
| 12:00.00 | abrotman | wols: didn't we have GIF viewers/creators before that patent lapsed ? |
| 12:00.09 | dbmoodbasdf | wols: depends on the country no ? |
| 12:00.10 | wols | liable: just look for a mp3 encoder in main... |
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| 12:00.18 | wols | abrotman: no clue |
| 12:00.21 | dbmoodbasdf | vlc |
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| 12:00.31 | dbmoodbasdf | vlc and it also breaks the dvd encryption ;) |
| 12:00.37 | wols | dbmoodbasdf: usually debian obeys the western countries (US, EU,..) |
| 12:00.56 | wols | dbmoodbasdf: I don't think vlc ships with decss compiled in |
| 12:01.03 | dbmoodbasdf | wols: try it your self |
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| 12:01.28 | dbmoodbasdf | thinks maybe he shouldn't have highlylighted this fact and runs away saying NO DON"T |
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| 12:01.53 | wols | dbmoodbasdf: IIRC you need an addiitional lib from dmm for DVD decoding |
| 12:01.54 | abrotman | decss isn't illegal in all countries |
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| 12:02.14 | abrotman | or linking to it .. or whatever stupid issue surrounds it |
| 12:02.16 | wols | abrotman: no, but in EU and US. debian would be foolish to not be able to distribute in those countries |
| 12:02.28 | wols | isn't decss in dmm for this reason? |
| 12:02.37 | wols | in fact, patents are almost the only reason dmm exists |
| 12:03.03 | abrotman | yay dcma |
| 12:03.18 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:03.48 | xand | dmm is hosted in the eu |
| 12:04.09 | wols | yes, mr. marillat is in hot water if something bad happens but not debian. and that's the point |
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| 12:05.06 | wols | abrotman: look. chattr is here! |
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| 12:08.49 | scintilla | va , ciao a tutti a stasera |
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| 12:11.03 | abrotman | wols: i've seen him .. not impressed :) |
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| 12:12.12 | Neburg | my debian lenny network install fails because of a broken dependency on libparted (DEBUG: resolver (libparted1.7-udeb): package doesn't exist (ignored) |
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| 12:13.26 | Neburg | anybody has an idea what could cause this problem? where is the dependency problem? is there a fix or a workaround? |
| 12:13.37 | wols | Neburg: use an etch installer |
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| 12:15.28 | defrysk | Neburg, you could also try another (more reliable) repo |
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| 12:15.30 | dbmoodbasdf | abrotman: no its legal here in australia |
| 12:15.56 | Neburg | hrm, i could try another REPO |
| 12:16.06 | liable | que the sheep jokes |
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| 12:16.33 | dbmoodbasdf | i get fed up with the ubuntuers going no we comply with us law (they hardly mention eu |
| 12:18.38 | wols | dbmoodbasdf: usually it's a sound policy. EU has less patents, rest is the same basically |
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| 12:19.39 | dbmoodbasdf | oh yeah i agree -- my point is that its actually considered |
| 12:20.35 | dbmoodbasdf | ah wols is it just me or are there a ton more dependancies on the software i am using now |
| 12:20.41 | dbmoodbasdf | like gnome depends on abiword |
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| 12:21.21 | dbmoodbasdf | isnt there a rule that says you can't introduce further dependant packages without good reason ? |
| 12:21.21 | defrysk | the metapackage gnome depends on that I guess ? |
| 12:21.32 | dbmoodbasdf | defrysk: i guess |
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| 12:21.38 | defrysk | you can safely remove abiword |
| 12:21.46 | UD_ | thats funny |
| 12:21.48 | Trewas | dbmoodbasdf: it doesn't depend on them, only recommends... but recommends are installed by default now |
| 12:22.01 | UD_ | there should just be a Sure you want to break the law [y/n] |
| 12:22.07 | dbmoodbasdf | Trewas: oh.... and why is that ? |
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| 12:23.44 | Trewas | dbmoodbasdf: I don't actually know why it was changed, anyway adding "APT::Install-Recommends false;" to /etc/apt/apt.conf returns to old way |
| 12:24.04 | dbmoodbasdf | Trewas: this seems a bit silly for servers or for security to me... |
| 12:24.08 | Neburg | defrysk: i'm using ftp.nl.debian.org for this phase in the debian installation. can you recommend another (more reliable) repo? |
| 12:24.12 | dbmoodbasdf | Trewas: is this just for testing ? |
| 12:24.43 | mhymn | why my debian date and time is faster than hardware time ( BIOS ) ? |
| 12:24.47 | defrysk | neburg, you could try nluug |
| 12:24.53 | wols | !tell dbmoodbasdf about apt recommends |
| 12:24.56 | mhymn | i tried ntp too |
| 12:25.12 | dbmoodbasdf | mhymn: go ntpq -p |
| 12:25.14 | defrysk | Neburg, nluug only updates once in 24 hrs |
| 12:25.25 | mhymn | dbmoodbasdf: and that too! |
| 12:25.27 | defrysk | so perhaps it install better |
| 12:25.59 | mhymn | any idea? its very vital |
| 12:26.10 | dbmoodbasdf | mhymn: what system do you have ? |
| 12:26.23 | dbmoodbasdf | and how bad is the drift |
| 12:27.07 | mhymn | dbmoodbasdf: if you mean arch its amd_64, what do you mean by drift? i know its very fast, probably a minute is 40 sec there! |
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| 12:27.50 | dbmoodbasdf | mhymn: isn't ntp correcting for it ? |
| 12:27.58 | mhymn | nope |
| 12:28.08 | tralala | mhymn, any complaints from the kernel during boot? |
| 12:28.28 | tralala | mhymn, and which kernel are we talking about? |
| 12:28.55 | mhymn | tralala: 2.6.18-5-amd64 |
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| 12:30.27 | monostone | hi, any way to determine a files character encoding via the command line? |
| 12:31.04 | tarzeau | monostone: mguesser can partly do it |
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| 12:31.06 | tralala | mhymn, to start with you should install the latest security updates, then inspect carefully the boot messages |
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| 12:31.45 | monostone | tarzeau: thanks, I'll check that out |
| 12:32.04 | tralala | monostone, file does in some simple cases. At lest it can tell you if you have utf-8 |
| 12:32.06 | dbmoodbasdf | mylvari: is that supported ? |
| 12:32.09 | dbmoodbasdf | that kernel ? |
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| 12:32.19 | mhymn | tralala: the system is already updated, and here is the dmesg --> http://pastebin.com/m48b81b53 |
| 12:32.21 | dbmoodbasdf | (official) |
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| 12:32.59 | abrotman | mhymn: your kernel is out of date |
| 12:33.21 | abrotman | mhymn: there are some options to ntp that can help with somethingl ike your issue |
| 12:33.33 | tralala | mhymn, your kernel is old. Install linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 12:34.12 | mhymn | abrotman: i've just added the security repo and updated the system, btw i dont have any problem with that kernel on another system |
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| 12:36.11 | tralala | mhymn, another identical system? Is this correct: "time.c: Detected 2210.066 MHz processor."? |
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| 12:36.51 | monostone | tralala: thanks, both file and mguesser provide the info I need |
| 12:37.30 | mhymn | tralala: not the same exactly but it is amd64 too |
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| 12:41.52 | cryingtux | hello |
| 12:41.57 | Pollero | hola! |
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| 12:42.15 | cryingtux | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 12:42.28 | cryingtux | are these lenny testing iso files? |
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| 12:42.35 | wols | yes |
| 12:43.24 | cryingtux | can i install from these and keep updating/upgrading regularly to next coming stable versions? |
| 12:43.42 | liable | yes |
| 12:43.51 | mhymn | abrotman: what kernel version do you suggest me to install? |
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| 12:44.19 | abrotman | mhymn: you should install the metapackage for your system .. AFAIK .. it should be -6- kernel .. so linux-image-2.6-amd64 |
| 12:44.33 | cryingtux | has the installer evloved more in this release i.e lenny or is it the same as etch? |
| 12:45.10 | mhymn | as tralala mentioned, thank you too, lets see what will happen |
| 12:45.10 | liable | cryingtux: it has eveolved, but not so much in a visual way (whic is how most users would judge it i guess) |
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| 12:47.14 | cryingtux | liable: i understand your point, but etch`s installer was little tricky for an inexpert person |
| 12:48.03 | abrotman | it is? |
| 12:48.54 | liable | cryingtux: from a usability point of view, its much the same. the install guide is there for answers to problems. unless you are setting up raid (which seems to be the most confusing aspect) its quite good imo |
| 12:48.54 | cryingtux | abrotman: i felt so, i could not work around to install etch properly |
| 12:48.59 | tralala | I can imagine that coming from a windows/ubuntu world it can be somewhat shoking to see a text screen. |
| 12:49.01 | abrotman | have a specific complaint? |
| 12:49.11 | abrotman | tralala: use the clicky installer ? |
| 12:49.32 | liable | tralala: you serious? debian installer is fucking awsome compared to windows insaller |
| 12:49.34 | dbmoodbasdf | cryingtux: ah ? .... for ... setting up ... ? |
| 12:49.38 | roe_ | tralala, I would replace shocking with refreshing |
| 12:49.42 | dbmoodbasdf | mylvari: isn't the gtk installed finished ish ? |
| 12:49.43 | Kamping_Kaiser | tralala, where in the windows world? my memory of text installing doze |
| 12:49.52 | Kamping_Kaiser | roe_, agree |
| 12:50.02 | tralala | roe_, heh :) |
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| 12:50.57 | cryingtux | tralala is correct a windows background person is lost when you install debian and try to mount a windows partition and it asks you for some kind of secuirty permissions |
| 12:51.14 | dbmoodbasdf | cryingtux: asks ? what is this ubuntu? |
| 12:51.39 | liable | um, are you talking about samba or a partition on disk? |
| 12:51.40 | cryingtux | no pure debian gnu/linux |
| 12:51.57 | tralala | abrotman, I've never heard of it |
| 12:52.07 | Kamping_Kaiser | cryingtux, 90% of people with a windows background are lost when you expect them to install anyway |
| 12:52.48 | dbmoodbasdf | cryingtux: that's what ubuntu's for |
| 12:52.50 | liable | maybe with the woody installer, since sarge it has been quite nice. just hit enter! |
| 12:52.57 | cryingtux | i installed etch as dual boot with windows and it wont mount my windows partitions, and there were some other issues so i had to quit it despite that fact that i wanted it and purchased the dvds for lots of money |
| 12:53.13 | dbmoodbasdf | cryingtux: you need ntfs-3g |
| 12:53.40 | abrotman | tralala: there is a GUI installer now .. in etch also |
| 12:53.44 | dbmoodbasdf | cryingtux: you didn't need to buy the dvd's either |
| 12:53.54 | Neburg | netboot problems endure: i replaced the lenny beta 2 netboot image with the daily build, and changed my repo from ftp.nl.debian.org to ftp.debian.org and guess what? no longer do i have "libparted1.7-udeb: package doesn't exist" errors, now i have: "parted_devices: error while loading shared libraries: libparted-1.8.so.9: cannot open shared object file" errors! |
| 12:53.56 | tralala | cryingtux, the fact that the installer doesn't configure it all is not a "game over" situation. You can still configure everything after the installation. |
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| 12:54.20 | cryingtux | tralala: i understand your point |
| 12:54.47 | cryingtux | dbmoodbasdf: i will be purchasing lenny too :) |
| 12:54.56 | liable | um, ntfs write ability in no way stops you from dual booting |
| 12:55.14 | Pakorrerme | if I have created git user with the flag "disabled-password" then, why does git user ask me for a password? |
| 12:56.05 | dbmoodbasdf | cryingtux: ? ah....ok |
| 12:56.13 | tralala | Pakorrerme, are you trying to login as user git? |
| 12:56.20 | abrotman | cryingtux: you do realize that Debian is free .. right? |
| 12:56.27 | cryingtux | why was this project abondoned? |
| 12:56.30 | cryingtux | http://mklivecd.sourceforge.net/ |
| 12:56.35 | abrotman | ask them, not us |
| 12:56.36 | jelly-home | Neburg: sounds like udeb packages are misbuilt... #debian-boot on irc.debian.org is the place for installer people |
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| 12:57.04 | cryingtux | abrotman: yes but since my download speed is not good i have to purchase the dvds |
| 12:57.14 | abrotman | okay |
| 12:57.26 | Neburg | jelly-home: thanks, will visit them guys |
| 12:57.29 | dbmoodbasdf | cryingtux: which country are you in ? there are places where you could download it for cheap |
| 12:57.29 | abrotman | would find a friend with a better ISP |
| 12:57.37 | abrotman | dbmoodbasdf: .pk |
| 12:57.40 | liable | Neburg: there was a boatload of partman stuff uploaded lately. i guess your stuck in between working stuff with the dailies |
| 12:57.49 | dbmoodbasdf | .pk ? |
| 12:57.53 | dbmoodbasdf | pakistan ? |
| 12:58.05 | cryingtux | yes and we dont have good isps here |
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| 12:58.22 | cryingtux | so all im left is with to purchase |
| 12:58.29 | tralala | cryingtux, save some money and trouble and use stable |
| 12:59.07 | cryingtux | i can wait till lenny final is released |
| 12:59.14 | Tenkawa | abrotman: did I tell you I finally got that server up and running |
| 12:59.24 | dbmoodbasdf | tralala: yeah but lenny is really really fast ....(for me at least) |
| 12:59.25 | Tenkawa | think I found a debian-installer bug too |
| 12:59.25 | jelly-home | cryingtux: that'll likely be 2009 :-) |
| 12:59.35 | abrotman | Tenkawa: you beat it into submission ? |
| 12:59.41 | Tenkawa | not sure how I should report it though |
| 12:59.57 | abrotman | Tenkawa: ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net how they would like you to report it |
| 13:00.01 | cryingtux | jelly-home: oh |
| 13:00.03 | abrotman | !installation report |
| 13:00.03 | dpkg | somebody said installation report was http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug |
| 13:00.06 | abrotman | is one way |
| 13:00.17 | Tenkawa | abrotman: It could not detect my disks from installer even though they were already present and accounted for |
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| 13:00.25 | Tenkawa | i think its something ahci specific |
| 13:00.35 | abrotman | usb? |
| 13:00.40 | Tenkawa | I ended up chroot cloning, rerunning grub, and done |
| 13:00.43 | Tenkawa | abrotman: no.. sata |
| 13:00.55 | abrotman | ahci is a usb controller? |
| 13:01.02 | Tenkawa | no |
| 13:01.09 | Tenkawa | its a sata controller |
| 13:01.10 | abrotman | uhci .. ehci ? |
| 13:01.12 | abrotman | ICH ? |
| 13:01.12 | Tenkawa | very new |
| 13:01.16 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 13:01.18 | Tenkawa | ICH9R |
| 13:01.22 | abrotman | ICH is an intel controller |
| 13:01.24 | Tenkawa | yep |
| 13:01.27 | cryingtux | http://practical-tech.com/operating-system/what-to-expect-in-debian-5-lenny/ |
| 13:01.33 | cryingtux | it says sept |
| 13:01.35 | abrotman | oh ffs |
| 13:01.37 | abrotman | it's lying |
| 13:01.45 | jelly-home | abrotman: [uoe]hci = usb, ahci = sata; not confusing at all! |
| 13:01.52 | abrotman | yeah |
| 13:01.54 | Tenkawa | jelly-home: haahaa |
| 13:01.54 | jelly-home | !wwlr |
| 13:01.55 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 13:02.02 | abrotman | Tenkawa: hrm .. etch works fine on ich7 .. but oh well |
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| 13:02.04 | Tenkawa | yeah leave it to intel to do that |
| 13:02.17 | Tenkawa | abrotman: oh it "works" just fine |
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| 13:02.31 | Tenkawa | its just the installer that gets confused |
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| 13:02.38 | Tenkawa | cloning and running worked great |
| 13:02.43 | abrotman | even the comments on that blog post are wrong |
| 13:03.08 | jelly-home | cryingtux: they should also expect it to be delayed a couple of months, as usual |
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| 13:03.28 | Tenkawa | abrotman: either way it goes.. its running... |
| 13:03.31 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 13:03.33 | abrotman | yay! |
| 13:03.39 | cryingtux | jelly-home: got it |
| 13:03.42 | abrotman | Tenkawa: TBH . i'm surprised the etchnhalf didn't work |
| 13:03.59 | Tenkawa | oh AND they used a damn e1000e card instead of e1000 onboard |
| 13:04.10 | Tenkawa | hell I even tried the daily installer build |
| 13:04.13 | Tenkawa | heh |
| 13:04.30 | tetraedr_ | I've got 00:10.1 Audio device: nVidia Corporation MCP51 High Definition Audio (rev a2), alsa says everything is ok, changes volume etc, but doesn't play anything :( what should I do? |
| 13:04.41 | Tenkawa | 3 diff ones.. they all complained even though you could open up a vt, fdisk, partition, mkfs, mount,etc |
| 13:04.45 | Tenkawa | you get the picture |
| 13:04.56 | tralala | tetraedr_, unmute the mixer? |
| 13:05.04 | tetraedr_ | tralala, ? |
| 13:05.08 | Tenkawa | uggh mcp51 |
| 13:05.14 | tralala | tetraedr_, /msg dpkg alsa checklist |
| 13:05.14 | Tenkawa | thats whats on my other box |
| 13:05.18 | Tenkawa | hate that controller |
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| 13:05.33 | Tenkawa | although at least it "runs" esxi |
| 13:05.35 | Tenkawa | ha |
| 13:05.48 | tetraedr_ | Tenkawa, thanks for tip, went reading |
| 13:05.52 | cryingtux | thanks to everyone, it was much of information for me |
| 13:05.54 | Tenkawa | so now I can practice esx stuff at home on a very inferior box to this one |
| 13:06.11 | Tenkawa | thank tralala not me :) |
| 13:06.18 | Tenkawa | but thanks though ) |
| 13:06.20 | Tenkawa | er :) |
| 13:06.37 | Tenkawa | tetraedr_: wouldnt want to take your kudos :) |
| 13:06.55 | tetraedr_ | brr sorry, just mistyped |
| 13:07.00 | Tenkawa | tetraedr_: :) |
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| 13:09.45 | eshat | Hi all, I am sure there was a command to update the hostname and read it from /etc/hostname anzone remembers ? |
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| 13:11.16 | liable | !hostname |
| 13:11.16 | dpkg | use hostname <hostname> to set the hostname, $EDITOR /etc/hostname to set it for the next boot, and $EDITOR /etc/hosts to set the FQDN, or create /etc/hostname if it doesn't exist, or 'man 1 hostname' , or see /etc/mailname |
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| 13:17.48 | eshat | Hi all, I am sure there was a command to update the hostname and read it from /etc/hostname anzone remembers ? |
| 13:18.12 | tralala | eshat, /msg dpkg hostname |
| 13:18.37 | Pakorrerme | I'm sorry but |
| 13:18.47 | tralala | everything you ever wanted to know about hostnames |
| 13:19.36 | liable | didnt i just get dpkg to show that? |
| 13:19.49 | liable | or am i in the twighlight zone? |
| 13:19.54 | tralala | liable, you didn't make it visible enough |
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| 13:20.21 | tralala | liable, and you didn't deliver it as a personalized service |
| 13:20.49 | liable | tralala: my bad, i guess leading a comment with hostname isnt enough! we should capitalise all factoids! |
| 13:21.20 | liable | and postfix with lots of !!!???!!??!!? ? |
| 13:21.35 | abrotman | tell liable about ep |
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| 13:22.07 | tetraedr | crap :( sound doesn't work :( |
| 13:22.19 | tralala | liable, you should emphasize on the human touch ;) |
| 13:22.26 | abrotman | !touch tralala |
| 13:22.26 | dpkg | This is Fendor's pleasure only |
| 13:22.28 | liable | ewww |
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| 13:22.45 | tralala | heh |
| 13:22.50 | liable | tralala: if i wanted to be touchy feely, i would install ubuntu |
| 13:23.25 | tralala | liable, stop pretending already - everyone knows by now that you're running ubuntu |
| 13:23.34 | Pollero | :D |
| 13:23.35 | abrotman | liable: i've heard they could use the help over there :) |
| 13:23.42 | liable | i only use debian so i can appear to be as far away from user friendlyness as possible. |
| 13:24.02 | liable | abrotman: i think wols has it covered |
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| 13:24.18 | zinx | liable: i'm pretty sure slackware fills that role |
| 13:24.47 | tralala | slackwere certainly excels there |
| 13:24.48 | liable | zinx: you forget gentoo |
| 13:25.03 | avu | slackware is worse. |
| 13:25.05 | tetraedr | any ideas on how to find out whats wrong with mcp51? |
| 13:25.25 | zinx | liable: nah, gentoo has the "omg i can watch gcc compile my system im smrt" while actually knowing nothing about what's going on factor |
| 13:25.56 | tralala | gentoo has package management, it can't compare to slack |
| 13:26.19 | liable | or running debian stable and wanting new stuff! |
| 13:26.21 | liable | runs |
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| 13:26.49 | liable | just thought i'd throw that one in for devils advocacy |
| 13:26.54 | tralala | I run debian stable sid and I have all the new stuff! |
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| 13:27.13 | avu | 'debian stable sid'? 8) |
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| 13:35.56 | FabParma | i need to change the video adapter driver from sis to vesa. does exist a frontend package? |
| 13:36.06 | tetraedr | very nice: http://pastebin.com/m22e31a29 >_< |
| 13:36.19 | zinx | FabParma: dpkg-reconfigure |
| 13:36.31 | wols | FabParma: etch? or lenny/sid? |
| 13:36.49 | FabParma | wols: stable |
| 13:36.57 | wols | !tell FabParma about drxx |
| 13:38.23 | FabParma | wols: the latest stable "debian-40r4a-i386" |
| 13:38.47 | wols | FabParma: read what dpkg just told you |
| 13:39.05 | FabParma | i reading, thanx |
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| 13:43.25 | FabParma | the default installation of "Debian-40r4a-i386" uses Xorg? |
| 13:43.41 | wols | yes |
| 13:43.50 | FabParma | wols: great |
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| 13:51.20 | FabParma | wols: i tried pc-bsd distro with kde. inside the menus there is an utility to change the driver of video adapter that its like cups to configure a lan printer. do you think that dont exist for debian a package/utility like that? Thank You |
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| 13:51.54 | Pollero | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 13:52.33 | FabParma | Thank You Pollero, i know that way |
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| 13:53.02 | Pollero | FabParma: afaik it only way |
| 13:54.05 | FabParma | Pollero: i have a look, thanks |
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| 13:54.40 | SerajewelKS | does anyone else find it odd that php4-mysql and apache2 cannot be installed at the same time? |
| 13:54.52 | SerajewelKS | apache2 depends on a library that php4-mysql conflicts with |
| 13:55.02 | Pollero | SerajewelKS: i find it odd that someone still wants to install PHP4.. :) |
| 13:55.46 | SerajewelKS | Pollero: did it occur to you that i might be testing an upgrade process? |
| 13:55.48 | wols | FabParma: no. I told you what to use in debian |
| 13:55.56 | SerajewelKS | Pollero: anyway i do not need to explain myself to you |
| 13:56.05 | Pollero | SerajewelKS: chill out dude |
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| 13:56.45 | FabParma | Pollero: i searched for afaik... i discovered that its not a package :-) (as far as I know) |
| 13:56.51 | tralala | FabParma, you can still use drxx under X - in a x terminal |
| 13:57.31 | SerajewelKS | Pollero: i was chilled out until you spoke... |
| 13:57.37 | SerajewelKS | anywho |
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| 13:59.51 | trigpin | hi how do i update kenel and is there any need to ? |
| 14:00.29 | SerajewelKS | trigpin: if nothing is broken, you should not need to upgrade |
| 14:00.32 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: can you paste all this? IIRC it's something with php-pear |
| 14:00.48 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: googling i found this: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=490348 |
| 14:00.49 | abrotman | trigpin: do you have the metapackage installed for your architecture? |
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| 14:00.57 | wols | trigpin: with apt-get install <new kernel> as any other package |
| 14:01.05 | wols | trigpin: sometimes it is when bugs and exploits are fixed |
| 14:01.06 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: apparently php4 is not supported in lenny, but somebody is too lazy to actually remove the packages |
| 14:01.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: creating the impression that it is supported |
| 14:01.15 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: there's no transition packages yet |
| 14:01.29 | abrotman | be my guess anyways |
| 14:01.34 | SerajewelKS | hrm |
| 14:01.49 | abrotman | !info php4 lenny |
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| 14:02.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: it's not pear related as far as i can tell. php4-pear is not marked for installation in aptutude. |
| 14:02.11 | trigpin | is there an update manger a bit like ubuntu ? |
| 14:02.16 | SerajewelKS | aptitude* |
| 14:02.26 | abrotman | trigpin: aptitude .. and that stupid GUI thing is available too |
| 14:02.38 | SerajewelKS | trigpin: update-manager |
| 14:02.42 | abrotman | !+info php4 lenny |
| 14:02.44 | dpkg | Package 'php4' does not exist. |
| 14:02.49 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: feel better? |
| 14:02.50 | liable | abrotman: we all know you love synaptic! |
| 14:03.06 | abrotman | liable: i meant the update-notifier or whatever it's called .. it hink that's what he is referring to |
| 14:03.21 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: according to apt-cache it's provided by security.d.o :) |
| 14:03.25 | liable | oh, so you do love it? |
| 14:03.30 | abrotman | liable: it's a gnome thing that sits in your gnome systray |
| 14:03.31 | trigpin | thanxs Abortman, SerajewelKS , and wols |
| 14:03.39 | liable | lol |
| 14:03.40 | abrotman | is my nick really that hrd? |
| 14:03.45 | abrotman | hard :( |
| 14:03.45 | liable | yes |
| 14:04.02 | trigpin | sory heh , abrotman |
| 14:04.05 | liable | its so much funnier when you get upset about it :) |
| 14:04.08 | wols | plus abortman sounds better of course |
| 14:04.09 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i get called SarajewelKS, SerajewlKS, and plenty of other things regularly |
| 14:04.16 | abrotman | i'm not upset about it .. i just can't believe it's that common |
| 14:04.30 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i'll just call you Jewel from now on :) |
| 14:04.36 | SerajewelKS | i'm kind of surprised that trigpin got mine right |
| 14:04.47 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: do you like pain? :P |
| 14:04.48 | wols | abrotman: for merkins it's easier to type abort. for us germans "brot" is easier since it's more commeon (bread = brot) |
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| 14:05.03 | abrotman | wols: but we have brothels! |
| 14:05.22 | wols | not god fearing merkin protestants. there are no brothels |
| 14:05.27 | moshii | What is the right package to file d-i bugs against? |
| 14:05.38 | SerajewelKS | wols: or some of us merkins know what tab does |
| 14:05.44 | abrotman | !installer report |
| 14:05.53 | wols | SerajewelKS: it mistabs nicks like I show constantly. right? |
| 14:05.56 | moshii | abrotman: cheers :) |
| 14:06.02 | abrotman | moshii: that didn't help! |
| 14:06.08 | abrotman | !installation report |
| 14:06.08 | dpkg | from memory, installation report is http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch05s03.html#submit-bug |
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| 14:06.18 | moshii | d-i doesnt create lo if you dont have any network hardware.. |
| 14:06.26 | SerajewelKS | wols: nah, i usually see that more from noobs |
| 14:06.30 | abrotman | moshii: you say that like it's a bad thing :) |
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| 14:06.44 | moshii | abrotman: it is when stuff tries to use it.. ;) |
| 14:06.48 | liable | moshii: yes it does |
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| 14:06.53 | liable | or it should |
| 14:06.56 | moshii | liable: it didn't here |
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| 14:07.01 | abrotman | blames the sheep |
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| 14:07.10 | wols | SerajewelKS: I'm very noobish and green. ask abortman |
| 14:07.12 | liable | moshii: you have absolutely no network hardware? |
| 14:07.18 | abrotman | whowha? |
| 14:07.33 | moshii | liable: the lenny beta2 kernel doesnt have drivers for this nic |
| 14:07.42 | abrotman | does the daily? |
| 14:07.43 | astra-xwork | what would be the best way to change my system's language from german to english? "language-env"? |
| 14:07.46 | abrotman | well .. regardless .. |
| 14:07.53 | abrotman | astra-xwork: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:07.57 | liable | moshii: it should still write out hosts file and lo |
| 14:08.03 | astra-xwork | abrotman, thanks :) |
| 14:08.03 | liable | in interfaces |
| 14:08.16 | liable | moshii: which nick? |
| 14:08.17 | moshii | liable: so the network stage fails, and the interfaces file contains the header but nothing else |
| 14:08.19 | wols | moshii: broadcom? |
| 14:08.19 | liable | nic* |
| 14:08.30 | moshii | wols: newish realtek thing, just a second |
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| 14:09.10 | rambo3 | !seem dpkg |
| 14:09.10 | moshii | RTL8101E, I think there are drivers, but they dont work in the 2.5.24 kernel |
| 14:09.35 | SerajewelKS | wols: i didn't say we don't have our noob days ;) |
| 14:09.35 | abrotman | rambo3: you can msg the bot |
| 14:09.40 | wols | moshii: there is no such nic. lspci -nn |
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| 14:09.59 | wols | moshii: RTL8101E is a PHY. linux doesn't give a rat's ass about PHYs |
| 14:10.16 | moshii | Ethernet controller [0200]: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet |
| 14:10.29 | moshii | wols: so, yes, there is |
| 14:10.37 | rambo3 | abrotman, i know , I was just abusing the boot for a second |
| 14:10.40 | rambo3 | bot |
| 14:10.55 | wols | use the r8169 module |
| 14:11.01 | moshii | wols: it uses the 8169 driver IIRC, but that doesnt work ing 2.6.24 for some reason. 2.6.25 works |
| 14:11.10 | wols | strange |
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| 14:11.32 | moshii | wols: but that aside, it should create lo even if real networking isn't present/working |
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| 14:12.06 | liable | yes it should |
| 14:12.12 | kiwizz | If i have installed something that I no longer need, can I remove it via the apt-get remove command? Will there be any files left over from the installtion? |
| 14:12.42 | wols | kiwizz: yes there will. use purge if you want to remove config files too |
| 14:12.43 | wols | !purge |
| 14:12.43 | dpkg | [purge] to completely wipe away a package, including its config files. Use aptitude purge [package] or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge '~c', or see <confmiss> about restoring individual config files |
| 14:12.51 | moshii | liable: there header saying what the file does/related man page gets copied over, but no lo defined.. |
| 14:13.08 | moshii | liable: only found that out when I was trying to get gpsd working |
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| 14:14.00 | kiwizz | so if I want to tidy up the server I can use aptitude purge '~c' |
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| 14:14.06 | liable | moshii: i know the code that does that in d-i a bit, i thought it always wrote lo in interfaces. file a bug please |
| 14:14.19 | moshii | liable: will do :) |
| 14:16.11 | astra-xwork | abrotman, is there a way to change all system wide language files without recompiling? |
| 14:16.17 | abrotman | astra-xwork: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:16.30 | moshii | wonders what you would recompile.. |
| 14:16.40 | kiwizz | I reinstalled the packages I just removed - now purging will work properly? |
| 14:16.58 | moshii | kiwizz: purge should work without the package installed |
| 14:17.03 | kiwizz | ah |
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| 14:18.15 | kiwizz | I couldnt get my mail server working following these directions, http://wiki.ev-15.com/debian:mail_system so now I want to try again from the start, will running "apt-get purge postfix postfix-tls libsasl2 libsasl2-modules sasl2-bin cyrus21-admin cyrus21-clients cyrus21-common cyrus21-imapd spamassassin spamc" have an adverse effect on non mail services? |
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| 14:19.05 | moshii | kiwizz: you need an mta installed.. so you shouldnt purge postfix |
| 14:19.21 | kiwizz | everything else is ok? |
| 14:20.10 | moshii | kiwizz: to be honest you shouldn't need to start from stratch like that, it's better if you work out what's actually wrong with it |
| 14:20.15 | liable | if you need new configs, you'll be disappoited |
| 14:20.19 | liable | +n |
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| 14:21.03 | kiwizz | it was some error I couldnt find any help on on the internet, I think I might have already rewritten the files because I removed the package and reinstalled - or are they all still the same because I didnt purge it? |
| 14:21.35 | liable | same |
| 14:21.39 | moshii | kiwizz: if dpkg is going to overwrite config files it asks you before-hand |
| 14:22.01 | moshii | <3 dpkg |
| 14:22.08 | wols | kiwizz: debian wants to have an MTA. install exim, THEN purge postfix |
| 14:22.09 | maryN | recently upgraded to 2.6.25-686 - the whole system (especially X) feels sluggish (screen updates are slower without any apparent load on the system (cpu, disk io etc)) after few hours of usage - i have been using 2.6.24 before without any noticeable glitch |
| 14:22.22 | wols | afterwards you can reinstall postfix and exim will be automatically uninstalled |
| 14:22.37 | kiwizz | cool, so if I install "sample package" and set it up then remove it, then install it again - it will still work the same? |
| 14:22.37 | wols | maryN: what videocard? |
| 14:23.09 | moshii | kiwizz: yes, unless you purge the package |
| 14:23.13 | maryN | wols - 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M56P [Radeon Mobility X1600] |
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| 14:23.29 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.33 | jthomas | !metisse |
| 14:23.38 | wols | maryN: and what driver do you use? |
| 14:24.19 | kiwizz | " linux cyrus/master[4039]: can't open pidfile lock: /var/run/cyrmaster.pid.lock (Permission denied)" was the original error, but I dont know if that was what was preventing me from using cyradm |
| 14:24.33 | maryN | using the driver bundled with X ("ati") |
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| 14:25.35 | wols | maryN: and it works properly? thought ati doesn't do X1600 chips |
| 14:25.41 | wols | only fglrx would |
| 14:25.43 | maryN | wols - this problem occurs *only* after system has been up for few hours - rebooting into 2.6.24-x solves the problem (no slowdown etc even after extended use) |
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| 14:26.26 | kiwizz | I asked a while back, one guy seemed to know what he was on to, but had to leave for a meeting. He said he had a similar problem with something else, and had to change the pid file location - I couldnt find the cyrus config file that set this |
| 14:26.28 | liable | wols: i think the latest does, but of course not in debian |
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| 14:26.32 | moshii | maryN: did you check what's running, memory etc with top? |
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| 14:27.07 | moshii | kiwizz: are you chrooting it? or maybe it's giving up privs and then can't read that file |
| 14:27.21 | maryN | moshii - yes i did - no obvious memory hogs etc (and the system is definitely NOT swapping and all) |
| 14:27.31 | kiwizz | he said that it was giving up privs - I dont know how to fix / chroot it.... |
| 14:28.02 | wols | liable: I know. radeonhd and its ilk probably does. but somehow I'm not so sure about ati in debian :) |
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| 14:28.38 | moshii | kiwizz: well, if it's switching from root to some other user.. you would need to make that path/file writable by whoever it becomes. Basic stuff. |
| 14:28.51 | wols | kiwizz: makes no sense. I run cyrus21 myself. and I hope you run cyrus21 or cyrus22 and not just cyrue |
| 14:29.00 | kiwizz | Im a pretty basic linux user :) |
| 14:29.08 | liable | wols: its all confusing and interwined atm in freedesktop.org git, but yeah, debian doesnt have the support yet. |
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| 14:29.29 | kiwizz | Im wanting to move all my services over from my windows box to debian, and its taking 100 times longer, but I know what it is running |
| 14:29.36 | cahoot | maryN: someone here declared he noticed sluggish behaviour (wrt audio) due to CONFIG_GROUP_SCHED in the debian kernel |
| 14:29.46 | ^shark_ | is there any way I can reduce size and format of a picture |
| 14:30.00 | cahoot | convert |
| 14:30.24 | moshii | or gimp if you like using a mouse. |
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| 14:30.41 | maryN | cahoot - i did check http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=491969 - upgraded to 2.6.26 (linux-image-2.6.26-trunk-686) - the problem persists |
| 14:30.51 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:30.56 | DexterF | which kernel image is suitable for an AMD X2 system with 4GB RAM? |
| 14:31.02 | kiwizz | I looked on google to see how to give a user permissions on a file, but I could only find how to change the file owner, or the overall rights like chmod 777 |
| 14:31.10 | moshii | DexterF: amd64 or i686 |
| 14:31.30 | wols | kiwizz: which version of cyrus then? |
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| 14:31.40 | wols | !permissions | kiwizz |
| 14:31.40 | maryN | cahoot - ATM - even screen updates in terminal is sluggish (ex: "find /" results in small blocks of output separated by pauses of almost 1-2 seconds) |
| 14:31.44 | wols | !permissions |
| 14:31.44 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 14:31.46 | DexterF | moshii: I'm on i686. I just don't have the impression of gaining much speed over my old AthlonXP single cpu. |
| 14:31.52 | moshii | kiwizz: are you sure you should be setting up a mail server? |
| 14:32.06 | wols | maryN: have you checked your Xorg.log and made sure it uses ati? it sounds like vesa there... |
| 14:32.10 | liable | yes, that factoid should be mentioned with the chattr hack. |
| 14:32.23 | sealion | DexterF: For i686, the bigmem kernel is needed in order to access all 4GB of RAM. |
| 14:32.29 | kiwizz | Im looking in the mail.info log file, but cyrus dosent give the version when starting |
| 14:32.34 | moshii | DexterF: well, for a single application it would need to be multithreaded to make any difference on a multicore cpu |
| 14:32.47 | maryN | wols - yes - i am tempted to rule out Xorg as the cause though (rebooting into 2.6.24 fixes the problem!) |
| 14:32.56 | kiwizz | its for my home server, so I dont have to worry about it :) |
| 14:33.07 | DexterF | moshii: I know, but I would have expected better perf running VMware. |
| 14:33.12 | cahoot | maryN: I'm just acting parrot here i e only forwarding someone else's observation - no deeper knowledge attached |
| 14:33.19 | wols | kiwizz: dpkg -l |grep cyrus |
| 14:33.21 | maryN | wols - also - the problem crops up after few hours of usage (5-7 hours) |
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| 14:33.34 | DexterF | sealion: but a 32bit linux won't access the entire 4gig anyway, right? |
| 14:33.36 | wols | maryN: then as I think cahoot said, memleak |
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| 14:33.43 | moshii | DexterF: google for vmware kernel tune, or something like that.. there is a guide! :) |
| 14:33.48 | kiwizz | wols: ii cyrus21-admin 2.1.18-5.1 Cyrus mail system (administration tool) |
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| 14:33.49 | kiwizz | ii cyrus21-clients 2.1.18-5.1 Cyrus mail system (test clients) |
| 14:33.51 | kiwizz | rc cyrus21-common 2.1.18-5.1 Cyrus mail system (common files) |
| 14:33.52 | kiwizz | rc cyrus21-imapd 2.1.18-5.1 Cyrus mail system (IMAP support) |
| 14:33.54 | kiwizz | ii libcyrus-imap-perl21 2.1.18-5.1 Interface to Cyrus imap client imclient libr |
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| 14:34.00 | sealion | DexterF: The default kernel, no, but bigmem is compiled with 4+GB support. |
| 14:34.17 | moshii | DexterF: 32bit can access 4GB+ with tricks like PAE, but the top bit of memory will be slower to access |
| 14:34.30 | DexterF | sealion: well, but PCI address space won't take me higher t... ah, that's the info I was after, moshii |
| 14:35.00 | DexterF | moshii: so if I want all the 4gig I better go for a 64bit install? |
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| 14:35.34 | moshii | DexterF: yep, but getting flash etc running is harder on amd64.. that's the downside |
| 14:35.43 | wols | kiwizz: ok, cyrus21 is ok. and I run the same. no pid problem here. stop cyrus vis init.d script and then check if theris a pid lock file |
| 14:35.53 | wols | kiwizz: if there is, delete it and restart cyrus |
| 14:36.20 | DexterF | moshii: I'm well aware of the tripwires. But so far it's only flash in my case, think I can tinker around that. |
| 14:36.28 | sealion | I've taken to using AMD64.... I installed 32-bit Debian yesterday and tried both the regular and bigmem kernels, but aside from intermittant problems with my Realtek on-board NIC not working, it seemed a lot slower on disk accesses at first, but seemed to get better after a few reboots. I'm still scratching my head over that. |
| 14:36.47 | kiwizz | wols: remove cyrmaster.pid ? |
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| 14:37.15 | DexterF | another thing: after the last release there appeared kernel images named "etchnhalf" and I'm actually running that right now, then again there are 2.6.25 images but they don't carry that name, what do I have to make of that? |
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| 14:37.41 | wols | kiwizz: if you are sure cyrmaster is not running: yes |
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| 14:38.22 | kiwizz | I stopped cyrus via /etc/init/cyrus21 stop |
| 14:38.24 | wols | DexterF: what debian branches do you run? etchnhalf 2.6.24 is etch and 2.6.25 is lenny... are you mixing? |
| 14:38.41 | wols | kiwizz: check ps aux as root that no cyrmaster is running to be sure |
| 14:38.42 | kiwizz | wols: ok removed |
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| 14:38.54 | DexterF | wols: no, but I got backports enabled. so that 25 is probably backported while 24-ethcnhalf is officially etch? |
| 14:39.22 | kiwizz | wols: started, but no indication that it has, just returned to the shell |
| 14:39.24 | DexterF | how do I check from which repository it comes? |
| 14:40.09 | wols | DexterF: probably |
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| 14:40.19 | wols | DexterF: apt-cache policy <package> |
| 14:40.29 | wols | kiwizz: checks yslog |
| 14:40.31 | wols | *syslog |
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| 14:40.52 | wols | and check if now cyrmaster is running, if something is listening on port 143/tcp etc |
| 14:41.07 | DexterF | wols: thanks. yup, backports. mystery solved. well, that offers some interesting new options like going for a GF8200 motherboard... |
| 14:41.56 | kiwizz | wols: you want me to paste it in here? |
| 14:42.02 | wols | fyi backports packages are unsupported. so if there are security problems you are on your own |
| 14:42.17 | wols | kiwizz: no. just check if it'S running. it should. no messages means no errors :) |
| 14:42.23 | DexterF | anyone around here with experience with GF8200/8300 AM2+ motherboards? can someone recommend an intel LGA775 board with onboard video? |
| 14:42.50 | astra-xwork | is it a bash or system behavior when you hit the "backspace" key and it deletes the character inline instead of backspacing? |
| 14:43.44 | slonik | hiya folks |
| 14:43.48 | kiwizz | wols: I dont see much in the log file about cyrus, more about postfix. It shows the exiting on SIGTERM/SIGINT but I dont see any indication of it starting |
| 14:44.11 | slonik | does anybody know if xen 3.0.3 is the latest version in repo for etch? |
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| 14:44.41 | asg | slonik: yes, 3.0.3 is the version in etch |
| 14:45.04 | moshii | DexterF: PC stuff is pretty generic. Just get a board that isn't so cheap that it doesn't even have a partially working bios |
| 14:45.06 | slonik | asg, thanks a million |
| 14:45.26 | moshii | slonik: packages.debian.org |
| 14:45.39 | __arj__ | what are the advantages of debian to gentoo? |
| 14:45.48 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 14:45.48 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 14:46.00 | abrotman | __arj__: not waiting for stuff to compile would be an obvious one :) |
| 14:46.21 | __arj__ | abrotman: ok, yeah thats right |
| 14:46.54 | moshii | __arj__: debian has less fanboi's |
| 14:47.08 | __arj__ | moshii: whats that? |
| 14:47.55 | moshii | __arj__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanboy |
| 14:48.29 | __arj__ | moshii: ah ok ;) |
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| 14:48.39 | __arj__ | never heard bevore |
| 14:48.43 | __arj__ | argh |
| 14:48.45 | __arj__ | before |
| 14:49.08 | wols | kiwizz: this is part of my syslog for stop/start cyrus21: http://paste.debian.net/14513/ |
| 14:49.17 | liable | __arj__: do you really have to have those annoying underscores? |
| 14:49.32 | DexterF | moshii: nah, i need rather specific stuff, especially regarding onboard video |
| 14:49.38 | liable | it stops me even thinking about replying to you, except to ask if you have to... |
| 14:49.42 | __arj__ | liable: nick arj was not free anymore. any suggestions? |
| 14:50.00 | liable | __arj__: anything without leading underscores |
| 14:50.06 | kiwizz | wols: got nothing like that |
| 14:50.24 | liable | __arj__: it makes nicktabbing annoying |
| 14:50.27 | wols | kiwizz: also mail.log is a place it writes to |
| 14:50.48 | moshii | DexterF: intel chipsets should just work |
| 14:50.48 | __arj__ | mmh perhaps arj__ would be better? |
| 14:50.53 | liable | yes |
| 14:51.11 | wols | __arj__: much |
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| 14:51.32 | DexterF | moshii: that's what I think - but I don't know what chipset to go for, 35 or 43 or 45 or 38... X or G or Q... haven't looked too much into intel lately |
| 14:51.56 | kiwizz | wols: I rebooted and /etc.init.d/cyrus21 wont do anything, cant restart the service, stop etc... |
| 14:52.01 | cahoot | __arj__: sounding the market in both #gentoo and #debian? |
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| 14:52.25 | wols | kiwizz: there are logs. there must be |
| 14:52.26 | liable | arj: thankyou. much better |
| 14:52.30 | wols | or error messages |
| 14:52.47 | wols | kiwizz: where did you get your config files for it? |
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| 14:53.04 | kiwizz | the default ones customized |
| 14:53.14 | kiwizz | this http://wiki.ev-15.com/debian:mail_system |
| 14:53.44 | kiwizz | and the last logs in mail.error were either a long time ago, or the mail service has its time wrong |
| 14:54.21 | wols | kiwizz: I didn't say anything about mail.error, did I? |
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| 14:54.51 | jthomas | I am very interested in running Metisse but want to keep with Debian, does anyone know of a repo where I could get debs for this window manager? |
| 14:54.55 | arj__ | liable: so now its better? |
| 14:54.58 | kiwizz | sorry, ill check the other one :p |
| 14:55.33 | liable | arj__: yes, thanks |
| 14:55.54 | kiwizz | wol: heres a bit http://paste.debian.net/14516/ |
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| 14:56.58 | wols | kiwizz: and no cyrmaster running? |
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| 14:57.28 | kiwizz | wols: how can I double check that it isnt? |
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| 14:58.09 | kiwizz | wols: or is.... |
| 14:58.23 | wols | ps aux, netstat -anp |grep 143, etc |
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| 14:59.51 | kiwizz | wols: netstat gives this unix 3 [ ] STREAM CONNECTED 6143 2529/master |
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| 15:00.42 | kiwizz | but ps aux dosent list cyrmaster |
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| 15:01.34 | kiwizz | wols: this is the stuff running http://paste.debian.net/14517/ |
| 15:01.56 | PiousMinion | Are security updates still being provided for the debian kernels for K7s? |
| 15:02.16 | moshii | PiousMinion: k7 has been dropped, use i686 |
| 15:02.29 | abrotman | PiousMinion: for etch, yes |
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| 15:03.29 | PiousMinion | Well, if I had to choose a proc based on debian support and my only option was a p-3 and a K7.. which should I choose? |
| 15:04.11 | moshii | PiousMinion: you can use either with the i686 kernel |
| 15:04.49 | PiousMinion | so using the i686 kernel makes the k7 kernel pointless? |
| 15:05.06 | defrysk | etch still has a k7 |
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| 15:05.19 | moshii | PiousMinion: The benefit of the k7 build was marginal so it's gone for lenny |
| 15:05.28 | abrotman | !k7 dropped |
| 15:05.28 | dpkg | k7 dropped is probably http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=454777 Use the -686 kernel images instead. |
| 15:05.38 | wols | kiwizz: no cyrus. but we need errors, logs, whatever. purge thewhole shebang and start fresh I'd say |
| 15:06.18 | kiwizz | should I also purge the other mail stuff or only the cyrus package? |
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| 15:08.01 | kiwizz | wols: This is what I installed (according to the tutorial) libsasl2 libsasl2-modules sasl2-bin cyrus21-admin cyrus21-clients cyrus21-common cyrus21-imapd |
| 15:08.17 | kiwizz | wols: All should be purged? |
| 15:08.49 | wols | kiwizz: all cyrus stuff imho. unless you have mails you can't lose |
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| 15:09.37 | kiwizz | wols: is SASL cyrus stuff? Im not worried about loosing anything, I havent moved anything onto this server yet |
| 15:09.49 | wols | sasl should be ok |
| 15:10.09 | wols | after you have new config files, run cyrus to make sure it runs |
| 15:10.11 | aleix | hi, weird question... should i be able (normal user, not root) delete a root file from my home folder (rw-r--r-- / root:root)? |
| 15:10.18 | kiwizz | wols: willdo |
| 15:10.21 | wols | only THEN start to config it |
| 15:10.28 | wols | aleix: no |
| 15:10.34 | aleix | damn it!! |
| 15:10.38 | aleix | how come i can?! |
| 15:10.43 | wols | PEBKAC |
| 15:10.50 | aleix | it's killing me |
| 15:10.51 | wols | or misconfig |
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| 15:12.05 | kiwizz | wols: have "cyrus 3362 0.0 0.0 4192 1120 ? Ss 00:11 0:00 /usr/sbin/cyrmaster -d" now - looks like its running |
| 15:12.24 | wols | gz |
| 15:12.35 | jelly-home | aleix: if a folder is owned by you and you have write capabilities, you can delete files in there. |
| 15:12.38 | alxarch | aleix: no this is not possible |
| 15:12.44 | wols | so now slowly change config like you want it. maybe one step is fscking things up |
| 15:12.59 | wols | jelly-home: not files owned by other users? |
| 15:13.03 | jelly-home | alxarch: wrong |
| 15:13.11 | jelly-home | wols: even those |
| 15:13.25 | jelly-home | !permissions |
| 15:13.25 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages, or http://wiki.debian.org/Permissions |
| 15:13.45 | wols | jelly-home: eek! |
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| 15:14.00 | wols | jelly-home: but I can't change the file, right? |
| 15:14.01 | aleix | ok, let's see the folder is /home/aleix with permissions (rwxr-xr-x - aleix:aleix). I do this as root: touch test. Then I do, as aleix: rm test... and it works... |
| 15:14.02 | cahoot | confirmed |
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| 15:14.08 | jelly-home | wols: right |
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| 15:14.31 | wols | cahoot: tested it myself too :) |
| 15:14.33 | kiwizz | wols: How can I make sure its working fine - I "thought" it was working until I tried the cyradm command |
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| 15:14.47 | alxarch | jelly-home: yes i was trying to trash the file not rm it |
| 15:15.05 | wols | aleix: as jelly-home jsut said since you have permissions int he directory. I was wrong |
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| 15:15.47 | aleix | mmm... but this doesn't work if I do it on /tmp/aleix with the same permissions... :( |
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| 15:16.40 | ewet | hi, I'm trying to understand why kmail will not autimatically retrieve gpg keys. google cannot point me in any direction I haven't thought yet. my gpg.conf looks like http://sprunge.us/ZKRN. however kmail will tell me there's not enough information to vilidate the sig - stupid. Am I dumb?! |
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| 15:17.42 | jelly-home | ... and they all read what "/msg dpkg permissions" referenced, and were illuminated. After that, there was cake. |
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| 15:18.00 | aleix | sorry, it does... i always thought permissions were file based and not directory based... |
| 15:18.09 | avtobiff | grul, lel |
| 15:18.14 | grul | router |
| 15:18.16 | grul | !router |
| 15:18.17 | dpkg | router is, like, A device that bridges an internal network to another network. Take a ferry as an example: cars that need to go to the other side of a body of water (another network) need to use the ferry (the router). If they want to stay on their side, they simply don't go on the ferry. Also a device used to bridge a computer to a long distance digital communications network, such as ISDN. |
| 15:18.21 | aleix | thanks for the help! |
| 15:18.28 | kiwizz | wols: Thank you so much! Strange - the login seems to be working so far. |
| 15:19.06 | wols | kiwizz: just make sure cyrus never runs out of room. or it will get VERY angry. |
| 15:19.24 | wols | and if you want to deliver mail via LMTP postfix chroot is a bit of a PITA too |
| 15:20.07 | kiwizz | wols: I can limit the users storage though right? That will prevent it running out of space |
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| 15:20.51 | wols | afaik yes. but I don't want to limit myself :) |
| 15:21.03 | wols | cyradm has quotas |
| 15:21.17 | kiwizz | setquota |
| 15:21.41 | ixnay | Ati radeon 7000 pci > or < nvidia geforce 5600 fx agp8 ? |
| 15:21.52 | kiwizz | wools: is that in kilobytes? |
| 15:21.52 | ixnay | (for a debian mediacenter) |
| 15:21.56 | wols | ixnay: 5600 but in truth, both suck |
| 15:22.00 | wols | fx just a bit less |
| 15:22.02 | ixnay | I know both suck |
| 15:22.02 | ixnay | :P |
| 15:22.09 | ixnay | Ok, nvidia it is! |
| 15:22.14 | wols | radeon might have better picture tho. |
| 15:22.24 | ixnay | just gonna play movies / series |
| 15:22.27 | wols | kiwizz: no clue. never set quotas |
| 15:22.49 | wols | ixnay: try both. the tv out part is often a stepchild |
| 15:23.10 | kringalf | arent't there issues with the actual nvidia driver regarding X11 performance? |
| 15:23.51 | ewet | no ideas? i always thought you only have to set up gpg correctly - and there's no magic about it. in Kmail itself there is no option of any value nowhere... |
| 15:24.49 | ixnay | How can I check if this laptop has DVD-rom or DVD-rw rom? |
| 15:24.59 | alxarch | kringalf: 5600 uses the legacy driver propably so no updates there, if there's a problem in the binary it won't be updated |
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| 15:25.19 | wols | ixnay: dmesg |
| 15:25.45 | wols | aleix: he only needs 2D anyways |
| 15:25.49 | kringalf | alxarch, ahhh right, didn't check how old the chip was he mentioned just remembered some postings regardings performance issues :) |
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| 15:26.05 | kringalf | s/regardings/regarding/ |
| 15:26.12 | ewet | all googled pages do point in exactly the same direction (except encyrptiing and signing mails yourself of course) |
| 15:27.41 | ixnay | unmarked cd's/dvd's are a royal pain in the behind |
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| 15:28.35 | alxarch | kringalf: what i've heard there's no or really slow 2d acceleration with the latest xorg versions |
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| 15:29.16 | alxarch | kringalf: but to be honest i never had issues with performance with nvidia cards, setting it up though is a whole different story |
| 15:29.45 | Nyle | uhm |
| 15:29.51 | zack23 | I keep receiving this error: " /usr/sbin/identd: exit status 1" and "ident/tcp server failing (looping), service terminated for 10 min" - how can I see which service it's failing on? |
| 15:29.52 | Nyle | alxarch, when? |
| 15:29.56 | Nyle | alxarch, not in sid lately no |
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| 15:30.16 | eshat | Is it possible that I lose root permissions if I run a script via ssh root@host /bin/script ??? |
| 15:30.17 | Nyle | alxarch, its a piece of pie |
| 15:30.21 | alxarch | Nyle: i'm still on etch :) |
| 15:30.22 | Nyle | or cake, whatever |
| 15:30.31 | Nyle | eshat, no |
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| 15:30.47 | alxarch | Nyle: try dual screens with wacom support etc etc |
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| 15:30.50 | alxarch | :) |
| 15:31.04 | Nyle | alxarch, try 3x 22" lcd |
| 15:31.16 | Nyle | soon I shall add my 4th |
| 15:31.18 | Nyle | and i'll be set |
| 15:31.20 | alxarch | Nyle: respect :D |
| 15:31.25 | Nyle | recognize! |
| 15:31.25 | Nyle | ;) |
| 15:31.33 | eshat | Nyle: sure ? |
| 15:31.38 | Nyle | eshat, think about it |
| 15:31.50 | alxarch | Nyle: through Xinerama? |
| 15:31.57 | Nyle | you log in as root, you start a script as root, how are you able to not have root perms? |
| 15:32.12 | Nyle | unless the script is doing a su to a diff user, you should be still root |
| 15:32.26 | Nyle | alxarch, no, Xinerama and DRI can't coexist together |
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| 15:32.46 | Nyle | I use fglrx + big desktop, and I use xrandr for radeonhd driver |
| 15:32.56 | Nyle | radeon rather, I don't use radeonhd as its a bit freaky on my card |
| 15:33.15 | alxarch | Nyle: i was talking about nvidia cards |
| 15:33.33 | Nyle | its the same across all Xorg, DRI and Xinerama don't work together |
| 15:33.54 | sealion | Nvidia's driver has TwinView though. |
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| 15:34.03 | Nyle | fglrx has big desktop |
| 15:34.07 | Nyle | same difference. |
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| 15:34.21 | Nyle | Twinview however is a horrible piece of shit technology |
| 15:34.25 | Nyle | but let me tell you why |
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| 15:34.35 | alxarch | Nyle: R u sure? i have a debian etch xinerama and blender has same performance as in twinview |
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| 15:34.50 | stew | dri and xinerama seem to work fine together here |
| 15:34.56 | Nyle | say you have 2 CRT, each can do 1024x768@85 |
| 15:35.09 | alxarch | Nyle: things change ;) |
| 15:35.14 | Nyle | twinview when it combines the 2 framebuffers together, drops your refresh reate down to 51khz |
| 15:35.18 | Nyle | thas why it sucks |
| 15:35.35 | Nyle | let me think was it DRI or something else I know with Xinerama some important piece of my display didn't work |
| 15:35.42 | ewet | shit... currently reading the bugtracker :/ nevermind |
| 15:35.44 | sealion | Nyle: ah.... My only experience with TwinView is with a notebook LCD and an external CRT. |
| 15:35.46 | Nyle | I thought it was DRI and xinerama that didnt' work together |
| 15:35.52 | Nyle | hm |
| 15:35.59 | alxarch | Nyle: it used to |
| 15:36.02 | Nyle | ahh boy this is gonna keep buggin me |
| 15:36.09 | Nyle | oh so I'm right, but its fixed now? |
| 15:36.10 | Nyle | ohhh |
| 15:36.12 | Nyle | nm |
| 15:36.15 | stew | !tell Nyle about enter |
| 15:36.20 | alxarch | Nyle: yeah |
| 15:36.21 | Nyle | Xrandr and Xinerama don't work together... |
| 15:36.31 | alxarch | Nyle: right |
| 15:36.37 | Nyle | thank you stew my bad. I remember now, its xrandr and xine |
| 15:36.55 | sealion | Nyle: But there's similar multi-head support for ATI cards, then? |
| 15:37.11 | stew | and if xrandr works you shouldn't need xinerama |
| 15:37.21 | Nyle | exactly ( |
| 15:37.31 | defrysk | uses grander (gnome) |
| 15:37.37 | Nyle | dpkg, me too |
| 15:37.37 | dpkg | moi? |
| 15:37.41 | Nyle | dpkg, no |
| 15:37.41 | dpkg | No Offense |
| 15:37.49 | Nyle | ahhhh boy |
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| 15:38.30 | sealion | I recently got a HD 4850 and issues with fglrx have been making me second guess my purchasing decision. :-( |
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| 15:38.40 | Nyle | sealion, try radeon |
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| 15:39.05 | Nyle | sealion, if you don't care about extreme 3d perf. give it a shot. #radeon and #radeonhd |
| 15:39.07 | alxarch | Nyle: funny i was about to say try nvidia :) |
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| 15:39.20 | wols | Nyle: is the debian version of radeon working with hd48xx? |
| 15:39.39 | Nyle | wols, not sure about the card, but no, debian doesn't have the drivers that work well yet |
| 15:39.49 | Nyle | they still need to be built from git/source |
| 15:39.54 | sealion | Nyle: I just git-clone'd the radeonhd tip and I'm trying to figure out how to use git-buildpackage right now. :) |
| 15:40.03 | Nyle | good man! |
| 15:40.05 | Nyle | :) |
| 15:40.06 | wols | Nyle: better tell sealion |
| 15:40.23 | Nyle | I have a hunch that he knows already... ;) |
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| 15:40.52 | Nyle | sealion, same dealings as svn really |
| 15:41.06 | Nyle | not too much diff |
| 15:42.08 | sealion | Well, the complicated part is that I'm trying to use the cloned upstream repository for the git-buildpackage bits, too. I found a guide that seems to cover that use case, though. |
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| 15:43.46 | sealion | The funny thing about fglrx is that up until yesterday, it would lock my system hard if I tried running anything that touched XVideo (like kaffeine) or if I tried to stop and restart kdm. Today, kaffeine is working fine, but logging out of KDE (which had been working fine) locks the system hard instead. |
| 15:45.31 | fluxdude | I need to compile something that requires my kernel source, i am using linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 but when I apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 it tried fetching lenny/main linux-2.6 2.6.25-7 |
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| 15:45.57 | fluxdude | I have tried apt-pinning lenny as a lower priority to etch to get some newer packages but this looks like it's interfering, any ideas on this? |
| 15:46.08 | fluxdude | I really need to get the source for the kernel version I am using... |
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| 15:46.19 | sealion | fluxdude: Look for the linux-headers-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 package. |
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| 15:46.40 | skyjumper | anyone here use IPMI for remote management? |
| 15:46.50 | fluxdude | sealion: yeah but is this the whole source or just headers? Will I be able to compile a kernel module against just these? |
| 15:46.52 | anyone | no |
| 15:47.00 | skyjumper | i'd love to know how to trap events, get notified that the watchdog is doing its thing... |
| 15:47.07 | sealion | fluxdude: Oh, sorry, that's just the headers.... |
| 15:47.07 | skyjumper | (the docs are useless) |
| 15:47.29 | fluxdude | sealion: no thank you, that worked. |
| 15:47.33 | sealion | fluxdude: There's also linux-source-* packages that you install like normal binary packages. |
| 15:47.39 | hoxu | is there any way to log outgoing tcp connections, how much data was transferred until the connection was closed, and what application started it? |
| 15:48.04 | ixnay | weird. Seems I am unable to write to disc. |
| 15:48.18 | fluxdude | sealion: there's no xen variant for that though |
| 15:48.19 | sealion | fluxdude: Yea, you just need the headers to compile modules. |
| 15:48.35 | fluxdude | sealion: also, I wonder why the source fetch went to completely the wrong version? |
| 15:48.36 | wols | fluxdude: do not mix etch and lenny |
| 15:48.44 | wols | fluxdude: what module do you want to compile? |
| 15:49.14 | fluxdude | I did apt-get source linux-image-2.6.18-6-xen-amd64 and it went to fetch the wrong kernel version from lenny... even though lenny is pinned as a lower priority... |
| 15:49.23 | fluxdude | wols: done it and loaded fine. thanks, it was drbd |
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| 15:49.38 | wols | drbd? |
| 15:49.38 | fluxdude | wols: well I only remembered about backports after it was done. |
| 15:49.42 | fluxdude | wols: yo |
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| 15:49.51 | hoxu | or actually, just logging new TCP connections would be something... I guess you can do that with iptables -m state --state NEW? |
| 15:49.58 | wols | fluxdude: congrats for a borked debian |
| 15:50.04 | sealion | fluxdude: I think that apt-get source usually just fetches the latest version of a source package, and I'm guess that all of the linux-* packages all map to a single source package name. |
| 15:50.05 | defrysk | lol |
| 15:50.07 | fluxdude | wols: heh heh. thanks |
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| 15:50.25 | fluxdude | sealion: hmmm. I'm sure that could be handled better? |
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| 15:50.45 | wols | sealion: not true |
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| 15:51.45 | sealion | fluxdude: The man page for apt-get explains the functionality of the 'source' operation. It does get the latest version, but you can supposedly postfix '=<version-number>' to the package name. |
| 15:51.46 | fluxdude | debian's got problems... so old you end up backporting or pinning just to get new packages.... then you get some wols telling me debian's borked up now... oh well. I guess I should just stick to running bind from 5 years ago on it ;-) |
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| 15:52.04 | fluxdude | dang I wish I'd remembered backports before I apt-pinned. |
| 15:52.33 | fluxdude | if I remove lenny from sources and then apt-get update, will this effectively wipe out the lenny packages and then I'll stick to backports? |
| 15:52.34 | defrysk | fluxdude, maybe dist-upgrade to lenny ? |
| 15:52.51 | fluxdude | defrysk: nah, I did that a couple of weeks ago on 2 machines, neither came back |
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| 15:52.59 | defrysk | oh ? |
| 15:53.00 | fluxdude | heh... kernel bug |
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| 15:53.03 | fluxdude | sucks |
| 15:53.21 | fluxdude | I was like @"Ā£"!@Ā£" !!!! |
| 15:53.35 | defrysk | thats not good |
| 15:53.43 | sealion | fluxdude: For my desktop, at least, I fix all those problems by just sticking with unstable. Major problems (like a grub update nuking my MBR) seem to only happen once every few years. ;) |
| 15:53.52 | jhaluska | I have a stripped down debian installation, and I'm trying to mount a USB seagate hard disk. I created a /mnt/seagate directory and tried to mount it with: mount /dev/sda /mnt/seagate -tvfat But I got an error, wrong fs type. |
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| 15:54.03 | fluxdude | so much for stability, caught between a rock and hard place... old old stuff or broken stuff... |
| 15:54.09 | defrysk | sealion, bad advise |
| 15:54.22 | fluxdude | Gentoo has a much better balance on package management in fact... shame about the bloody compile times... |
| 15:54.25 | PinkFreud | jhaluska: does it have a partition table? |
| 15:54.37 | fluxdude | that's why I'm in #debian |
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| 15:54.44 | defrysk | has not time to gentoo |
| 15:54.48 | sealion | defrysk: Sorry, that was a bit tounge-in-cheek. |
| 15:54.52 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: I think it does. Trying to maintain compatibility with a Windows system, so it should be fat32 |
| 15:54.56 | fluxdude | if Gentoo got itself a bin distro, it would be the new debian. |
| 15:55.03 | fluxdude | plus more |
| 15:55.13 | PinkFreud | jhaluska: sda is the whole disk. you'll want to mount the partition. |
| 15:55.26 | PinkFreud | fdisk -l /dev/sda to see a list of partitions |
| 15:55.29 | fluxdude | I think it's a shame the GenDevs don't think so. |
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| 15:55.51 | PinkFreud | then try mounting, for instance, /dev/sda1 (depending, of course, on the output of fdisk) |
| 15:55.52 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: It appears to be NTFS |
| 15:56.11 | PinkFreud | jhaluska: did fdisk tell you that? |
| 15:56.16 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: Yep |
| 15:56.26 | PinkFreud | jhaluska: which partition? |
| 15:56.29 | jhaluska | Trying: mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/seagate -tntfs |
| 15:56.45 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: The first (and only) one, /dev/sda1 |
| 15:56.56 | PinkFreud | then yes, you want to mount sda1 :) |
| 15:57.24 | pumpkin0 | jhaluska: "file -s /dev/sda1" ? |
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| 15:58.06 | jhaluska | pumpkin0: file not found, should I install it? |
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| 15:58.24 | PinkFreud | jhaluska: did the mount work? |
| 15:58.41 | pumpkin0 | jhaluska: you can install it if you want to. It will show you which fs was really used for that partition. |
| 15:58.53 | greymalkin | Can anyone think of a reason that "`which <progname>` --version" would be different from "<progname> --version" |
| 15:58.58 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: Well it never completed the command. |
| 15:59.07 | greymalkin | given shell is bash, and no aliases are set up |
| 15:59.08 | PinkFreud | jhaluska: any errors? |
| 15:59.12 | kiwizz | wols: any idea why the ssl certificates might not be workign? "TLS engine: cannot load cert/key data" |
| 15:59.16 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: None |
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| 15:59.27 | PinkFreud | jhaluska: then how do you know it didn't complete? |
| 15:59.39 | beardy | greymalkin: Which program behaves differently? |
| 15:59.41 | PinkFreud | mount does not give any output when it successfully mounts a device. |
| 15:59.43 | kiwizz | wols: they are self signed |
| 15:59.47 | jhaluska | Cause It never gave the command prompt back and it's listed via: ps -e |
| 15:59.53 | greymalkin | I know tcsh has a 'rehash' command to renew the cache... |
| 16:00.12 | PinkFreud | then it sounds like something is borked. |
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| 16:00.21 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: Indeed |
| 16:00.25 | greymalkin | beardy: it's cmake in this case -- I just compiled my own and installed over the previous one. |
| 16:00.27 | PinkFreud | check the output of 'dmesg' in another terminal |
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| 16:00.50 | beardy | greymalkin: Something named the same in your path, which(1) taking one, just typing it takes the other, maybe. |
| 16:01.05 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: Last two lines: NTFS driver 2.1.27 [Flags: R/W MODULE]. and NTFS volume version 3.1. |
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| 16:01.38 | beardy | greymalkin: Hmm, sounds weird that it'd cache that, or the binary.. try in another vt? |
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| 16:01.42 | PinkFreud | sounds like the driver is having a hard time dealing with your disk for some reason |
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| 16:02.15 | greymalkin | beardy: Ugh -- that was it... must have been a symlink before or something like it. |
| 16:02.26 | greymalkin | "which -a" has become my new best friend |
| 16:03.03 | jhaluska | PinkFreud: I can format the drive if necessary |
| 16:04.03 | keith4 | is there an easy way to determine, in a script, if a process is running? without having the pid available? |
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| 16:04.24 | jhaluska | keith4: Do you know the name of the process? |
| 16:04.28 | keith4 | yep |
| 16:04.35 | keith4 | (cupsd) |
| 16:04.52 | jhaluska | keith4: Try: ps -e | grep cupsd |
| 16:04.56 | beardy | greymalkin: Ok. |
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| 16:06.12 | keith4 | jhaluska: in addition to the issue of... that command returning cupsd and apcupsd, how would I use those results to generate a true/false respone to "is cupsd running?" |
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| 16:07.27 | jhaluska | keith4: While I'm sure there is a way, I don't know/remember it. Sorry. |
| 16:07.49 | keith4 | ok. thanks |
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| 16:10.24 | jhaluska | keith4: try: if ps -e | grep cupsd; then echo running; else echo not running; fi |
| 16:11.13 | Nyle | ahh boy |
| 16:11.13 | keith4 | jhaluska: good idea. you've given me a good starting point, thanks |
| 16:11.18 | Nyle | I'm gonna go to work now |
| 16:11.25 | Nyle | I haven't been to work in like... 3 weeks |
| 16:11.33 | jhaluska | keith4: Maybe this link will help: http://linuxsig.org/files/bash_scripting.html |
| 16:11.35 | Nyle | my boss just called me begging me to come heh |
| 16:11.37 | Nyle | bye bye ! |
| 16:11.44 | Nyle | *screen detatched* |
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| 16:13.41 | ixnay | how do I burn an image to a cd through command? |
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| 16:14.07 | keith4 | ixnay: wodim |
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| 16:15.24 | hoxu | So, any tips for finding out rogue applications that occasionally start downloading something large from somewhere, using TCP connection? :) |
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| 16:16.08 | liable | hoxu: what makes you ask? |
| 16:16.11 | hoxu | Preferably I would like a way to save remote host, amount of data in/out during the connection and process ID/name |
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| 16:16.28 | hoxu | liable, because I have a rogue application that occasionally starts downloading something large from somewhere :) |
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| 16:17.18 | liable | hoxu: and you have a debian server it all runs thorugh? |
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| 16:17.44 | hoxu | liable, nah, speaking of a workstation |
| 16:17.55 | bjwebb | how can i speed up my debian system |
| 16:18.22 | pumpkin0 | bjwebb: install more RAM. Or tell us why you think it is slow and which hardware you use. |
| 16:18.24 | wols | load less stuff |
| 16:18.28 | hoxu | bjwebb, I think a correct wrist angle is vital when accelerating debian CDs |
| 16:18.52 | n3kl | Hove the via unichrome graphics drivers gotten any better since via released all that documentation? |
| 16:18.55 | bjwebb | lol |
| 16:19.10 | bjwebb | hohmmm, yeah, good point |
| 16:19.21 | bjwebb | pumpkin0: actually, more ram would probably help |
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| 16:19.31 | wols | an3not yetafaik |
| 16:19.35 | bjwebb | because i only have 256MB |
| 16:19.36 | wols | n3kl: ^^ |
| 16:19.42 | Zambezi | Shouldn't the sound work by default? I've tried a couple of kernels, the soundcard is found (SB Live). Lenny, fully update until 12 hours ago. |
| 16:19.43 | kiwizz | Anyone know why cyrus might be giving this error? "Aug 12 01:18:23 linux cyrus/imapd[9682]: unable to get private key from '/etc/ssl/certs/private/newreq.pem' |
| 16:19.44 | pumpkin0 | bjwebb: yes, it will help. |
| 16:19.45 | kiwizz | Aug 12 01:18:23 linux cyrus/imapd[9682]: TLS engine: cannot load cert/key data" |
| 16:19.48 | wols | bjwebb: what desktop environment? |
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| 16:19.53 | bjwebb | but, is there any software tweaks i can make |
| 16:19.56 | bjwebb | wols: gnome |
| 16:20.09 | wols | bjwebb: that's the problem. gnome is a pig. use xfce |
| 16:20.11 | hoxu | !tell Zambezi about alsa checklist |
| 16:20.16 | pumpkin0 | bjwebb: switch to XFCE and unload everything you don't need. |
| 16:20.27 | bjwebb | but heres the thing, my gnewsense partition seems to run faster, even though i use the smae software |
| 16:20.38 | liable | hoxu: http://web.taranis.org/drraw/ |
| 16:20.52 | bjwebb | s/software/destop env and gui apps/ |
| 16:21.01 | hoxu | liable, huh? |
| 16:21.01 | cahoot | Zambezi: speaker-test -t wav -c2 - no sound? |
| 16:21.19 | simonrvn | kiwizz: permissions problem? |
| 16:21.30 | liable | hoxu: didnt you want a tool to show shit? |
| 16:21.39 | simonrvn | kiwizz: and why are you using the request cert? |
| 16:22.15 | kiwizz | ? Im trying to use "cyradm --port 993 localhost" |
| 16:22.15 | hoxu | liable, graphs aren't helping, I have those, I need to find out *what* application is downloading stuff |
| 16:22.44 | hoxu | I use munin now btw, it's kinda sweet |
| 16:22.57 | bjwebb | pumpkin0: the webbrowser seems to be the thing that slows stuff down, is there anything that would be better for me than epiphany? |
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| 16:23.46 | liable | hoxu: well, you should have said you were wanting to be anal about it :P |
| 16:23.52 | simNIX | Im trying to bring a second nic online. eth0 should be the onboard nic (10.x) added is usb nic (should be .5.254) - odd thing dmesg now shows usb nic as eth0 -> can someone please check http://simnix.webhop.info/pastebin/d278a9d28 to see where I go wrong ? |
| 16:24.06 | pumpkin0 | bjwebb: honestly: switch to XFCE. It will save you about 100MB RAM. That should make a lot more difference then some settings in a browser. |
| 16:24.20 | defrysk | bjwebb, it sound bad but opera is faster |
| 16:24.23 | hoxu | liable, eh? |
| 16:24.36 | cahoot | simNIX: try /msg dpkg z25 |
| 16:24.38 | bjwebb | defrysk: :O freedom hater ;) |
| 16:24.43 | defrysk | hehe |
| 16:24.45 | bjwebb | pumpkin0: okay |
| 16:25.00 | defrysk | has a faster pc thus no use for opera |
| 16:25.06 | liable | hoxu: nevermind, i tried, but you wanted more! :) i am afraid i am no longer helpfull |
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| 16:25.52 | kiwizz | simonrvn: cyradm --port 993 localhost |
| 16:26.29 | simonrvn | yes, and? |
| 16:26.43 | hoxu | liable, no worries, think I'll have to look at iptables but not sure if I can save the PID/name with it |
| 16:26.46 | liable | hoxu: i dont know of anything that does app watching, certainly not logging it. iptop or whatever it is, is probably your best shot, even netstat cant do download, just connection stats |
| 16:27.02 | kiwizz | simonrvn: Just wanted to know what you were getting at. |
| 16:27.18 | simonrvn | exactly what i said |
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| 16:27.47 | DexterF | g atheros f1 lllinux |
| 16:27.55 | DexterF | iiek |
| 16:28.00 | DexterF | wrong window |
| 16:28.20 | kiwizz | simonrvn: Is somthing not right? Im not exactly understanding 100% of what is happening, just following some tutorial. |
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| 16:28.52 | hoxu | tutorials are very nice when they don't explain to you how you are screwing up your system |
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| 16:29.10 | hoxu | especially the ubuntu ones with the helpful "NOTE: If this does not work for you, reinstall" footers |
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| 16:29.46 | liable | think so |
| 16:29.52 | Zambezi | cahoot: That worked after the command I got. I just need to log out and in to see if I need to install codecs. |
| 16:29.57 | simonrvn | kiwizz: well, you'd use the private key, not the request for a certificate pem as a private key, and apparently you the app has a problem accessing that file. (i feel like i'm repeating myself) |
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| 16:30.34 | liable | maybe devel, might have even been the wpa list i forget |
| 16:30.59 | liable | echan |
| 16:32.03 | kiwizz | simonrvn: Just following this http://wiki.ev-15.com/debian:mail_system - I dont think they mention a .key |
| 16:32.40 | kiwizz | simonrvn: just three files, newcert.pem, newreq.pem and cacert.pem |
| 16:33.15 | Zambezi | hoxu: Big, big thanks to you! Sounds working now. |
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| 16:33.42 | hoxu | Zambezi, what was the problem? :) |
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| 16:34.33 | ixnay | Anyone wanna tell me why I get "decive /dev/hdc is write protected, mounting read only" ? |
| 16:34.37 | ixnay | It's the cdrom |
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| 16:35.07 | pickcoder | I think there's a bug in the openoffice.org-headless package on bpo |
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| 16:35.21 | Zambezi | hoxu: Probably the very first part. I didn't ran alsaconf. I ran Ubuntu for two years so I used to being "spoiled", but I like the security better in Debian so I'm sticking to it. |
| 16:35.30 | pickcoder | when it's installed it conflicts with the version of OO.org in etch and removes the applications but upgrades the core packages |
| 16:35.58 | pickcoder | will a sid backport work in that case |
| 16:36.18 | hoxu | Zambezi, hold on... alsaconf kills any sound daemons running, and those may be the actual problem |
| 16:36.22 | hoxu | Zambezi, are you on kde or gnome? |
| 16:36.28 | pickcoder | ixnay: cdrom's are read-only unless you have CD-R or CD-RW media in the drive |
| 16:36.39 | pickcoder | and you can't mount blank media |
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| 16:37.54 | liable | hmm, when did bugs.debian.org get the shiny new interface |
| 16:38.13 | Zambezi | hoxu: Gnome. |
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| 16:39.33 | Zambezi | hoxu: Sounds is set on auto detect on everything so I might have several daemons running. |
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| 16:39.56 | Posterdati | hi |
| 16:40.02 | hoxu | Zambezi, I suggest you disable esd from the gnome settings |
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| 16:40.26 | miguelanxo | Hi guys! |
| 16:40.28 | miguelanxo | nice day! |
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| 16:40.50 | miguelanxo | I've just known I program I made has made it to sid (and testing) |
| 16:40.51 | Zambezi | hoxu: It's done already (if you mean soundmixing-thing). |
| 16:40.52 | miguelanxo | :P |
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| 16:41.05 | miguelanxo | what a wonderful day ! |
| 16:41.38 | hoxu | Zambezi, I don't know what the setting is called, but it should be somewhere in gnome system settings... "sound daemon" or something |
| 16:41.41 | Posterdati | got problem burning dvd (hw and sw empty buffers) (amd 64 x2 5000 + 2GB RAM + Optiarc DVD RW AD-7191S) |
| 16:43.37 | Zambezi | hoxu: It's working for now at least. I'm too tired to think now. My rythm is really messed up cause I'm secretly a sportgeek too. ;-) I'm watching everything from Bejing. |
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| 16:44.31 | hoxu | Zambezi, just keep in mind later if you run into problems you need to kill esd :) |
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| 16:45.59 | Zambezi | hoxu: Will do. It's /etc/init.d/esd stop right? |
| 16:46.43 | Zambezi | hoxu: Or it might be other than esd. force-stop works too. |
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| 16:49.16 | CcK | hi, i'm new to debian, and i'm stuck on some normally fairly easy problem :/ i try to compile transmission, and i get no package libcurl found |
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| 16:49.17 | hoxu | Zambezi, it's started by gnome... you can kill it manually using ps/kill, but you should rather go disable it from the GUI so it's not started anymore when you log in |
| 16:49.17 | hoxu | !tell CcK about search |
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| 16:49.17 | ezguy | anyone able to get everythings working on a lenny eecp 901? |
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| 16:49.24 | ezguy | eeepc |
| 16:49.35 | pickcoder | CcK: transmission is already packaged |
| 16:49.47 | stew | ezguy: /msg dpkg eeepc |
| 16:49.54 | CcK | pickcoder: i get 0.6 instaead of 1.* |
| 16:50.04 | kiwizz | how can I apply a patch? I want to use this patch https://bugzilla.andrew.cmu.edu/attachment.cgi?id=999&action=edit |
| 16:50.05 | pickcoder | CcK: so build a backport from sid |
| 16:50.11 | CcK | and i don't really know how to update it |
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| 16:50.17 | liable | ezguy: come to #debian-eeepc on oftc |
| 16:50.26 | ezguy | thanks |
| 16:50.34 | CcK | pickcoder: i'm new so that is chineese to me ;) |
| 16:50.48 | pickcoder | CcK: checking sid's version hold on |
| 16:50.54 | pickcoder | 1.22 is in sid |
| 16:50.59 | CcK | i've tried to compile from the source, what is wrong with thtat ? |
| 16:51.01 | pickcoder | !tell Cck about simple sid backport |
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| 16:51.23 | pickcoder | Cck: nothing if you plan on keeping up with updates manually |
| 16:51.34 | pickcoder | just don't install the package from the repos |
| 16:51.37 | CcK | oh ok |
| 16:51.58 | pickcoder | it's always best to build backport if there's a version available |
| 16:52.08 | pickcoder | bugs could be fixed in the downstream version |
| 16:52.13 | pickcoder | you won't get those from a source tree |
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| 16:52.50 | kiwizz | anybody? |
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| 16:52.54 | pickcoder | (you don't get those from a sid backport either, unless you keep up with sid) |
| 16:52.58 | CcK | pickcoder: so i need to add a source to the apt-get source file ? this is how all the update/upgrade/install works ? |
| 16:53.05 | pickcoder | but atleast dpkg manages the depends for you |
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| 16:54.13 | ttidl | hi, I am trying to upgrade from etchnhalf to lenny but dist-upgrade bumps into errors |
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| 16:55.27 | X0uL | im tryin to instal debian on my emachine |
| 16:55.27 | X0uL | [12:45] <X0uL> would it cause a problem if i install it on my secondary hdd instead of the primary |
| 16:55.34 | newsense | im trying to install etch on a 450mhz with 32mb ram had more ram in it but i kept getting segfaults removed all but one stick and install goes further but fails on installing base system . preinstallation script failed when setting up gawk |
| 16:55.36 | pickcoder | Cck: you download the source package from sid(unstable) and use apt to build and install it |
| 16:55.54 | pickcoder | a deb-src line for sid/unstable allows apt to download just sources from it |
| 16:56.08 | pickcoder | don't add a "deb" line or you'll mess up your install |
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| 16:56.43 | newsense | ive been at this for about a week and not sure what to do at this point |
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| 16:57.07 | X0uL | im tryin to instal debian on my emachine would it cause a problem if i install it on my secondary hdd instead of the primary |
| 16:57.11 | X0uL | ??? |
| 16:57.30 | newsense | X0uL: no |
| 16:57.38 | Posterdati | got problem burning dvd (hw and sw empty buffers) (amd 64 x2 5000 + 2GB RAM + Optiarc DVD RW AD-7191S) |
| 16:57.48 | klync | anyone know what pkg provides spfd? I'm just reading the docs for libmail-spf-query-perl, which says i need to run the daemon to use the exim filter |
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| 16:58.01 | ttidl | problem starts whne trying to remove libbonobou |
| 16:58.04 | klync | X0uL: probably not, but what's on the first drive? |
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| 16:58.30 | bjwebb | pumpkin0: hmmm, now i just need to get dvorak workinsg with xfce |
| 16:58.54 | X0uL | klync: The computer totally empty |
| 16:59.09 | X0uL | i just bought a 40 gig hdd to put i nmy comp |
| 16:59.14 | CcK | pickcoder: i got this file http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/transmission/transmission_1.22-1_all.deb |
| 16:59.17 | X0uL | and i tried installing debian on it |
| 16:59.20 | X0uL | and then boom |
| 16:59.23 | CcK | pickcoder: what's the command to build it with apt ? |
| 16:59.26 | X0uL | it gets to 80% and turns off |
| 16:59.29 | newsense | whats the difference between netinst and etchnhalf netinst images ? |
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| 17:00.23 | klync | X0uL: the bios will look to the first hard drive it detects for the boot sector / boot loader.... you might be able to change it depending on your bios software, but sounds like your problem is finding the location of grub or lilo... why not switch their order so that your OS is on your primary drive? |
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| 17:00.58 | wols | klync: packages.ubuntu.com does |
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| 17:01.18 | wols | klync: erm, packages.debian.org does |
| 17:01.37 | wols | newsense: kernel for example. |
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| 17:01.43 | X0uL | ill just remove the 10 gig hdd and see what happens |
| 17:01.45 | newsense | wols you ever hear of anyone getting errors during install base system step in nstaller ? |
| 17:01.55 | newsense | cant get past it for shit |
| 17:01.56 | wols | sure. bad burn for example |
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| 17:02.05 | newsense | im burning another now |
| 17:02.12 | newsense | will be my third disk |
| 17:02.23 | wols | burn slowly, do a md5sum check |
| 17:02.28 | newsense | tried netinst etchnhalf and live disks |
| 17:02.32 | ttidl | how can I upgrade etchnhalf to lenny? has anybody done this? |
| 17:02.35 | defrysk | newsense, md5sum the iso first |
| 17:02.35 | newsense | im gonna thanks |
| 17:02.50 | newsense | ahh good idea |
| 17:02.54 | newsense | low on disks |
| 17:03.05 | wols | !tell ttidl about etch->lenny |
| 17:03.06 | defrysk | and buy rewritables |
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| 17:03.18 | ttidl | wols: I read that, I followed that |
| 17:03.27 | wols | then what is the problem? |
| 17:04.17 | ttidl | wols: dist-upgrade stops before updating perl |
| 17:04.48 | defrysk | ttidl, try apt-get -f install, then continue |
| 17:05.02 | pickcoder | Cck: dpkg told you how to build a backport from sid |
| 17:05.03 | Zharf | is there any alternative for fstab? mainly for like automounting USB drive to a certain place in boot, because if I put this thing in fstab it fails to mount it because it hasn't started up yet (it's still starting up) when it tries to mount it, so I'd like it to mount it later in the booting process |
| 17:05.31 | ttidl | defrysk, is it better than aptitude? |
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| 17:05.41 | shahri | hi, I just broke my graphics stuff |
| 17:05.47 | shahri | by trying to install nvidia drivers |
| 17:05.57 | defrysk | no , but it might fix your issue |
| 17:06.12 | n3kl | Zharf: you could use a combination of udev scripts fstab, and autofs |
| 17:06.18 | shahri | there is a howto for lenny in the debian wiki, I used it |
| 17:06.18 | barnum | zharf put noauto |
| 17:06.25 | wols | !automount |
| 17:06.26 | dpkg | Ask me about <gnome-volume-manager>, <kde automount>, <ivman>, <autofs> or <thunar-volman>. |
| 17:06.35 | shahri | and now xdm doesn't start up anymore... somehow expected it :P |
| 17:06.47 | shahri | and this sucks :P |
| 17:06.50 | wols | newsense: which nvidia drivers ecaczly? |
| 17:06.58 | wols | *exactly |
| 17:07.05 | Zharf | barnum, well yeah but that'd require me to mount it then :) |
| 17:07.29 | shahri | any ideas on how to fix it? |
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| 17:07.45 | shahri | I'd provide you with more information, but I'm not good at text-based-browing |
| 17:07.50 | wols | shahri: anyswer me |
| 17:07.53 | wols | *answer |
| 17:08.05 | shahri | you asked someone called newsense |
| 17:08.08 | wols | doh! |
| 17:08.27 | shahri | mh ok, what drivers... well, there's a manual in the debian wiki, don't know the exact name |
| 17:08.42 | shahri | google for "debian nvidia" or something similar, I followed the instructions for lenny |
| 17:08.43 | wols | shahri: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 17:08.57 | shahri | ah kk |
| 17:08.59 | shahri | second |
| 17:09.47 | shahri | nvidia-glx 173.14.09-3 |
| 17:09.49 | shahri | and |
| 17:09.57 | wols | ok. what nvidia card? |
| 17:10.07 | shahri | GeForce 8400M GS |
| 17:10.15 | wols | now pastebin the Xorg.0.log |
| 17:10.39 | shahri | hm, how can I even paste when in terminal mode? |
| 17:10.49 | wols | !pastewithoutx |
| 17:10.49 | dpkg | pastewithoutx is, like, you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven copy/paste, or ask me about ... |
| 17:10.49 | shahri | sorry, haven't worked with it much :P |
| 17:10.57 | shahri | ah nice |
| 17:11.00 | wols | or check if ther is pastebinit in lenny |
| 17:11.01 | shahri | ok, second |
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| 17:13.31 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/f7dc29e2d |
| 17:15.12 | wols | (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) |
| 17:15.25 | shahri | hum |
| 17:15.30 | wols | shahri: what packages have you installed with "nvidia" in the name? all of them please |
| 17:15.39 | shahri | k, second :P |
| 17:16.56 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/f7eb88f7 |
| 17:17.51 | wols | shahri: lsmod |grep nvidia is it loaded? |
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| 17:18.30 | shahri | doesn't seem so (no output from lsmod | grep -i nvidia) |
| 17:18.41 | wols | modprobe nvidia then restart X |
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| 17:18.53 | shahri | kk |
| 17:19.49 | shahri | the screen "flickers" (don't know whether this is the right word for this, I'm not that good at speaking English...) and then switches back to terminal |
| 17:20.11 | shahri | I mean, it turns black, then terminal, then black again, ... |
| 17:20.17 | wols | again: check Xorg.0.log :) |
| 17:20.21 | wols | until it works :) |
| 17:20.46 | shahri | mh |
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| 17:21.05 | shahri | I'll try, thanks a lot |
| 17:21.13 | wols | if you want , pastebin again |
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| 17:22.23 | shahri | seems like if it failed to load the nvidia module again |
| 17:22.46 | shahri | ("Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0)") |
| 17:23.16 | defrysk | shahri, did modprobe nvidia have any output? |
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| 17:23.24 | shahri | nope |
| 17:23.45 | defrysk | try lsmod | grep nvidia again |
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| 17:24.09 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/fbfa6566 |
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| 17:24.42 | defrysk | shahri, you are running gnome? |
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| 17:24.53 | shahri | nope, fluxbox |
| 17:25.07 | astra-xwork | is there an effective way to install the lastest rtorrent (0.7.9) that is in sid without upgrading my entire system to unstable? |
| 17:25.47 | stew | astra-xwork: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:25.56 | defrysk | shahri, you are using a nforce card ? |
| 17:26.08 | wols | defrysk: 8400 |
| 17:26.33 | astra-xwork | stew, thanks |
| 17:26.33 | shahri | GeForce 8400M GS |
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| 17:26.58 | defrysk | well load nvidia in /etc/modules and reboot would be my plan |
| 17:27.20 | wols | defrysk: how does it help? the module is loaded and X complains |
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| 17:27.42 | defrysk | true |
| 17:28.05 | DimmuR | if i have 4GB RAM should i Muse swap file or not using it will cause some problems? |
| 17:28.59 | wols | shahri: you backported nvidia-graphics-drivers and installed the resutling debs? |
| 17:29.08 | wols | shahri: also, uname -a |
| 17:29.29 | shahri | um, as I said, I just did what was described in the wiki |
| 17:29.38 | wols | what link? |
| 17:29.39 | stew | DimmuR: its recommended that you use at least a little swap, though it is not required |
| 17:30.05 | shahri | mh, this will take some time since I'm not good at browsing using lynx :P |
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| 17:30.54 | Bladesman | Use links2. It does some java. |
| 17:31.04 | DimmuR | stew, it is possible that my hdd is reading much data every few secg onds (like swapping) bcause i don't have swap? (i tested and i have 57MB/s in hdparm) |
| 17:33.12 | stew | DimmuR: its certainly possible that your hard drive is reading data every few seconds. |
| 17:33.31 | shahri | mh, don't know how to view the current URL in lynx, but it's in an article called "NvidiaGraphicsDrivers" in the debian wiki @ wols |
| 17:33.49 | shahri | the paragraph about module-assistant + lenny |
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| 17:34.18 | shahri | and uname -a outputs Linux SMH-2 2.6.25-2-486 #1 Fri Jul 18 17:03:35 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:34.22 | astra-xwork | is there a way to specify a version of a program in aptitude? |
| 17:34.44 | stew | astra-xwork: for example: "aptitude install packagename=version" |
| 17:35.22 | DimmuR | stew, i ment rather reading too much data (like i would copy 700MB movie from one location to another) |
| 17:36.27 | stew | DimmuR: is there a problem you are trying to solve? what would "reading too much data" mean? |
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| 17:37.32 | wols | shahri: and which of the many steps there did you take? |
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| 17:38.20 | shahri | just the things explained in the module-assistant + lenny paragraph |
| 17:38.43 | shahri | I just noticed I should've done the things explained after this paragraph, too... |
| 17:38.52 | wols | shahri: get nvidia-graphics-drivers from sid sources |
| 17:38.59 | wols | and remove all nvidia packages |
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| 17:39.19 | shahri | mh ok, I'll try, thanks |
| 17:39.19 | X0uL | why wont linux install |
| 17:39.24 | X0uL | damnit |
| 17:39.30 | DimmuR | stew, in simpliest way it looks like my hdd is really slow (like old 1GB hdd) - everytime i launch i.e nautilus or other program i need to wait long time (sometimes 10-15 seconds) before i see it ( i have e2160 + 4GB ram on p5k-e mb so it's not so weak), but when i test hdd with hdparm i get 50-55MB/s reading |
| 17:39.32 | X0uL | this fucking sux |
| 17:39.33 | wols | shahri: I will guide you through it if oyu don't mind |
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| 17:39.50 | X0uL | i dont even get an error message |
| 17:39.59 | wols | X0uL: yes it sucks to have such a shitty problem description as yours :) but nothing we can do about it. it's all your fault |
| 17:40.00 | X0uL | it just shuts the comp off |
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| 17:40.03 | shahri | I'll need to add the sources to the sources.list first, don't it? |
| 17:40.07 | defrysk | X0uL, pebkac |
| 17:40.09 | wols | X0uL: what hardware? |
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| 17:40.26 | X0uL | im using an emachine t1842 |
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| 17:40.31 | wols | shahri: deb-src for sid controb and non-free yes. only sid deb-src |
| 17:40.53 | wols | X0uL: we don't know what hardware this is. use chipnames, mainboard chipset and such |
| 17:40.56 | wols | X0uL: that we know |
| 17:40.58 | shahri | kk |
| 17:41.09 | X0uL | ok hold o let me get the info |
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| 17:41.27 | wols | X0uL: also which installer iso did you use? |
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| 17:41.44 | frankoor | hallo zusammen |
| 17:41.56 | X0uL | i386 |
| 17:42.10 | wols | !de |
| 17:42.10 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 17:42.45 | frankoor | ich habe eine Frage zur Installation von Debian 4.0r4a |
| 17:42.45 | wols | X0uL: I mean more like what versio? etch, etchnhalf, lenny, etc |
| 17:42.52 | wols | !tell frankoor about de |
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| 17:43.02 | astra-xwork | stew, thanks |
| 17:43.10 | astra-xwork | if only debian had a ports tree :-P |
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| 17:43.46 | X0uL | i didnt know it breaks down like that |
| 17:44.00 | X0uL | i just downloaded it from the debian.org http |
| 17:44.13 | wols | X0uL: why not? all thsoe exist, all of them are different and have different problems |
| 17:44.22 | wols | and all are available from debian.org |
| 17:45.22 | X0uL | ok hold on |
| 17:45.55 | X0uL | IntelĀ® 845GL chipset |
| 17:45.55 | X0uL | Memory: 128MB DDR (PC2100) |
| 17:45.55 | X0uL | Hard Drive: 40GB HDD |
| 17:45.55 | X0uL | Optical Drive: 48x Max. CD-Rom Drive; 3.5" 1.44MB FDD |
| 17:45.55 | X0uL | Video: IntelĀ® Extreme Graphics 3D (845GL shared) |
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| 17:46.41 | wols | shahri: how far along are you? |
| 17:46.43 | pickcoder | ok.. so I can't build OO.org from sid due to the depends |
| 17:46.44 | shahri | mh I can't find the package |
| 17:46.56 | pickcoder | build-dep is too old |
| 17:47.09 | pickcoder | I gotta have the headless module for OO.org in etch |
| 17:47.32 | X0uL | wols: IntelĀ® 845GL chipset |
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| 17:47.45 | pickcoder | the bpo package has broken depends. aptitude removes the OO.org applications and just updates the core |
| 17:47.55 | X0uL | IntelĀ® CeleronĀ® Processor 1.80GHz (w/128KB L2 cache & 400MHz FSB) |
| 17:47.58 | wols | shahri: apt-get source nvidia-graphics-drivers if you have the sid deb-src and ran apt-get update |
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| 17:48.06 | wols | shahri: it's in sid non-free btw |
| 17:48.15 | pickcoder | It looks like I'm SOL at this point |
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| 17:48.28 | pickcoder | apart from download it from OO |
| 17:48.29 | wols | pickcoder: which depends are missing? |
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| 17:48.34 | pickcoder | all of them |
| 17:48.37 | shahri | ah all right, didn't write "source" before nvidia-graphics-drivers :) |
| 17:48.38 | shahri | thanks |
| 17:48.44 | pickcoder | there's a screen and a half |
| 17:48.52 | wols | first one? |
| 17:49.15 | pickcoder | bison, flex, libmono, libsane,libice,libcupsys |
| 17:49.24 | stew | !info flex stable |
| 17:49.24 | pickcoder | I could list them all in a pastebin but it won't help |
| 17:49.25 | wols | what version of those? |
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| 17:49.46 | pickcoder | apt-get build-dep openoffice.org-headless |
| 17:49.48 | dpkg | flex: (A fast lexical analyzer generator.), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.5.33-11 (etch), Packaged size: 303 kB, Installed size: 1364 kB |
| 17:50.09 | astra-xwork | so what aptitude command would be good for building all dependent packages from source for application foo? |
| 17:50.13 | pickcoder | Build-Depends dependency for openoiffce.org cannot be satisfied because no available version of package dpkg-dev can satisfy version requirements |
| 17:50.27 | pickcoder | dpkg-dev is current |
| 17:50.30 | pickcoder | (for etch) |
| 17:50.48 | stew | then yeah, dpkg-dev won't be backported at all easily, so you'd have to repackage to use an older dpkg-dev |
| 17:50.50 | wols | pickcoder: WHAT VERSION OF dpkg-dev does it WANT? |
| 17:51.04 | shahri | ok, installed nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 17:51.06 | X0uL | wols: debian-40r4-i386-CD-1.iso is the iso for my disk |
| 17:51.15 | wols | shahri: get dpkg-buildpackage and fakeroot |
| 17:51.16 | pickcoder | >= 1.14.11 |
| 17:51.27 | shahri | kk |
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| 17:52.06 | wols | stew: what good is openoffice in bpo when it needs a dpkg-dev that is not available? |
| 17:52.19 | shahri | mh where can I get dpkg-buildpackage? can't find it via apt-cache |
| 17:52.26 | wols | hmm lemme check |
| 17:52.40 | shahri | ah, it's already installed |
| 17:52.47 | shahri | at least it seems like if this is the case |
| 17:52.56 | wols | shahri: dpkg-dev. mea culpa |
| 17:52.57 | X0uL | ok i guess noone will help me |
| 17:52.59 | X0uL | damnit |
| 17:53.02 | shahri | ah ok |
| 17:53.09 | X0uL | i guess i will never get this shy ton my pc |
| 17:53.23 | shahri | ok, done |
| 17:53.41 | X0uL | Damnit it did it again |
| 17:53.41 | wols | in the nvidia directory: fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage |
| 17:53.50 | stew | wols: uhh, word processing, spreadsheet, presentation package, etc? |
| 17:53.55 | X0uL | selct and install gets to 80% and dies |
| 17:54.04 | shahri | mh how can I find out the nvidia directory? :/ |
| 17:54.09 | stew | wols: the openoffice.org in bpo doesn't require a dpkg-dev that isn't available, either |
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| 17:54.26 | pickcoder | stew: no.. but it removes the OO.org applications if you install it |
| 17:54.32 | wols | stew: I mean if as pickcoder says it OOO from bpo needs dpkg-dev which has no backport, what use is it in etch-backports? |
| 17:54.35 | X0uL | i cant even get ne other *nix on this system |
| 17:54.36 | pickcoder | it requires newer versions of calc/draw/impress/etc |
| 17:54.45 | pickcoder | so it screws up OO.org in the process and just upgrades the core |
| 17:54.52 | pickcoder | er |
| 17:54.55 | wols | pickcoder: so install everything else too |
| 17:54.57 | pickcoder | the headless module |
| 17:54.59 | wols | all of bpo ooo |
| 17:55.06 | pickcoder | wols: I tried that |
| 17:55.11 | Hourssales | danke Dee |
| 17:55.16 | Hourssales | ah.. sry |
| 17:55.17 | pickcoder | but I will try again |
| 17:55.24 | pickcoder | I will dump all of OO.org |
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| 17:55.39 | pickcoder | all I want is a M$->PDF convertor... |
| 17:55.49 | pickcoder | what a PITA |
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| 17:56.06 | stew | wols: ooo from bpo doesn't need dpkg-dev which has no backport. it doesn't need dpkg-dev unless you are recompiling it, and the Build-dep can be satisfied by the dpkg-dev in stable |
| 17:56.17 | shahri | what nvidia directory? |
| 17:56.40 | stew | wols: the use for an openoffice.org in etch-backports would typically be things like word processing, spreadsheet and other office productivity type of software |
| 17:56.58 | wols | shahri: the one apt-get source nvidia-graphics-driver created in your current directory |
| 17:57.08 | shahri | ahh all right :) |
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| 17:58.16 | wols | shahri: it will noe create several .deb files .. which you formerly downloaded directly from sid but this time for your exact existing libs on the system |
| 17:58.31 | stew | pickcoder: it seems like it would install fine for me. can you show us the command you are issuing and the output that says it wants to remove openoffice.org? |
| 17:58.40 | shahri | it outputs fakeroot: nested operation not yet supported |
| 17:58.47 | wols | you can now continue (after you removed all other former nvidia packages) with the wiki howto |
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| 17:58.53 | shahri | not sure whether this is an actual error |
| 17:58.53 | wols | shahri: are you root? |
| 17:58.56 | shahri | yup |
| 17:59.05 | shahri | no |
| 17:59.06 | shahri | >.> |
| 17:59.06 | wols | then no fakeroot necessary. and compiling as root is naughty :) |
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| 17:59.25 | shahri | mhh |
| 17:59.37 | wols | e.g you then install those via dpkg -i <packages> and do the m-a stuff again |
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| 17:59.46 | stew | using fakeroot as root would work fine, but running fakeroot from within the fakeroot environment isn't |
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| 17:59.55 | wols | or that |
| 17:59.59 | wols | stew: good point |
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| 18:00.59 | defrysk | using root in stead of fakeroot also installs the .debs right away |
| 18:01.22 | stew | defrysk: what do you mean? |
| 18:01.32 | wols | defrysk: never did for me |
| 18:01.32 | pickcoder | sources.list: http://paste.debian.net/14530 |
| 18:01.37 | defrysk | the created .debs get installed |
| 18:01.41 | stew | defrysk: using what command? |
| 18:01.57 | defrysk | oh no that is checkinstall |
| 18:02.04 | defrysk | sorry :S |
| 18:02.31 | pickcoder | dpkg -l | grep openoffice.org: http://paste.debian.net/14531 |
| 18:02.31 | dpkg | No packages found matching | grep openoffice.org: http://paste.debian.net/14531 |
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| 18:03.29 | pickcoder | headless module install: http://paste.debian.net/14532 |
| 18:03.48 | shahri | hmm |
| 18:04.10 | pickcoder | it doesn't actually upgrade the applications |
| 18:04.11 | shahri | seems like if errors occured during the execution of dpkg-buildpackages |
| 18:04.12 | pickcoder | it removes them |
| 18:04.23 | pickcoder | even though it says it will upgrade them |
| 18:04.28 | wols | shahri: what errors? |
| 18:04.49 | wols | pickcoder: then install those removed packages and core from bpo too? |
| 18:04.50 | stew | pickcoder: try aptitude -t etch-backports install openoffice.org-headless |
| 18:05.05 | shahri | mh do you understand German? since the error messages are written in it |
| 18:05.14 | wols | shahri: yes |
| 18:05.23 | shahri | kk |
| 18:05.28 | pickcoder | when I answer "y" to that solution: http://paste.debian.net/14533 |
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| 18:05.41 | pickcoder | I tried that... it removes the BPO updates |
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| 18:05.52 | pickcoder | and resolves back to etch core |
| 18:05.56 | pickcoder | and removes headless |
| 18:06.25 | wols | pickcoder: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openoffice.org-writer&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports |
| 18:06.59 | shahri | mh wait a second, where does it save the .deb files? |
| 18:07.01 | stew | pickcoder: running "aptitude -t etch-backports install openoffice.org-headles" removes what? |
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| 18:07.06 | shahri | in the directory I am in? |
| 18:07.11 | stew | pickcoder: you should probably use the aptitude frontend |
| 18:07.12 | defrysk | one up |
| 18:07.20 | pickcoder | the openoffice.org meta package will not be reinstalled though |
| 18:07.27 | shahri | awww |
| 18:07.30 | pickcoder | if I reinstall it, it reverts back to etch |
| 18:07.32 | shahri | then there aren't any errors :P |
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| 18:07.39 | stew | pickcoder: what command do you use to reinstall it? |
| 18:07.41 | shahri | why does it do so? |
| 18:07.51 | wols | shahri: why not? |
| 18:07.55 | defrysk | why not ? |
| 18:08.00 | newsense | how do i verify the md5 sum of an iso before i burn it ? |
| 18:08.00 | pickcoder | aptitude install openoffice.org |
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| 18:08.08 | wols | !md5sum |
| 18:08.09 | dpkg | d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e |
| 18:08.13 | shahri | don't know, you'd usually expect it to save them in the directory you're in :P |
| 18:08.26 | wols | pickcoder: why didn't you use the line stew gave you? |
| 18:08.28 | stew | pickcoder: use "aptitude -t etch-backports install openoffice.org" |
| 18:08.32 | defrysk | newsense, md5sum <foo.iso/> |
| 18:08.32 | pickcoder | ok |
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| 18:08.39 | stew | pickcoder: (or read the instructions page at backports.org) |
| 18:08.48 | newsense | i do that but how do i verify the sum, on the debian site ? |
| 18:08.57 | newsense | its etchnhalf netinst |
| 18:09.03 | pickcoder | more freaking spammers |
| 18:09.10 | stew | newsense: visually compare them? |
| 18:09.22 | wols | newsense: see http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/4.0_r4a/i386/iso-cd/ the file "MD5SUMS" |
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| 18:09.40 | newsense | oh ok thanks i see it now, im blind |
| 18:09.40 | pickcoder | I'll let you know how it goes in a bit |
| 18:09.44 | simonrvn | dpkg: old |
| 18:09.45 | dpkg | old are you is <reply>i donno, ask ddent |
| 18:10.40 | liable | weak |
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| 18:11.09 | shahri | mh, it fails to install nvidia-glx-dev, "nvidia-glx-dev kollidiert mit libgl-dev" |
| 18:11.33 | shahri | for those of you who understand German... but I think it's easy to guess what "kollidiert" means |
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| 18:11.43 | wols | shahri: shouldn't need that |
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| 18:11.47 | shahri | okay |
| 18:12.09 | simonrvn | 'collided' ? |
| 18:12.19 | liable | dpkg: factinfo old |
| 18:12.19 | dpkg | old -- created by jCommons <advorak@nas-34-102.chicago.navinet.net> at Sat Feb 5 05:25:43 2000 (3110 days); it has been requested 28 times, last by simonrvn, 2m 34s ago. |
| 18:12.24 | shahri | collides, to be precise, but doesn't matter :P |
| 18:12.33 | liable | dpkg: forget old |
| 18:12.33 | dpkg | i forgot old, liable |
| 18:12.34 | shahri | ok, everything installed |
| 18:12.36 | astra-xwork | has anyone actually been able to get rtorrent 0.7.9 working in stable? i cannot build my way to it as building dependancies fails? |
| 18:13.01 | abrotman | need more details |
| 18:13.02 | wols | !tell astra-xwork about errors |
| 18:13.22 | simonrvn | shahri: thanks |
| 18:13.31 | wols | shahri: now you're at the same place as with the wiki when you installed the debs. now you can use the m-a stuff again |
| 18:13.42 | shahri | kk |
| 18:13.44 | wols | shahri: your CPU is probably not a 486 btw |
| 18:13.55 | wols | so I'd maybe change kernels first and kernel headers too of course |
| 18:14.04 | liable | hopefully |
| 18:14.08 | shahri | mh, you said I have to remove the old packages first |
| 18:14.12 | shahri | what about that now? |
| 18:14.46 | astra-xwork | for verification: apt-get -b source foo is the correct way to build something from source and install it? |
| 18:14.51 | wols | yes. you should have removed them all before installing the new ones. as I told you repeatedly |
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| 18:14.59 | shahri | awww |
| 18:15.09 | liable | say it again sam |
| 18:15.14 | wols | astra-xwork: use apt-get source only |
| 18:15.22 | shahri | sorry, didn't read carefully enough |
| 18:15.28 | shahri | *careful enough |
| 18:15.35 | wols | and use something like dpkg-buildpackage. better if you need to fudge dependencies |
| 18:16.04 | wols | shahri: what cpu do you have btw? |
| 18:16.15 | astra-xwork | wols, nothing simple like portage or pkgsrc to automate the building? |
| 18:16.22 | shahri | I'm not sure actually :/ |
| 18:16.24 | wols | dpkg-buildpackage does |
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| 18:16.31 | wols | shahri: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 18:17.07 | shahri | the whole model name? or something else? |
| 18:17.48 | wols | model name yes |
| 18:17.50 | simonrvn | wonders what's so hard about 'apt-get build-dep sourcepackage && apt-get -b source sourcepackage' ... |
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| 18:18.02 | shahri | AMD Turion(tm) 64 X2 Mobile Technology TL-64 |
| 18:18.05 | wols | simonrvn: a lot of build-dep is not available :P |
| 18:18.12 | teclo | Hello, is there some app that will allow to type you know "foreign" charachters, for instance russian and greek ? |
| 18:18.15 | pickcoder | simonrvn: nothing if the depends are right |
| 18:18.16 | wols | shahri: use -686 kernel then |
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| 18:18.17 | pickcoder | :) |
| 18:18.23 | simonrvn | then you provide it. end of story. |
| 18:18.27 | shahri | mh ok |
| 18:18.40 | wols | simonrvn: ok. lets say dpkg-dev is not available in the right version. good luck |
| 18:18.42 | shahri | may be a stupid question, but: why? |
| 18:18.49 | wols | shahri: faster |
| 18:18.52 | simonrvn | teclo: my keyboard's compose key |
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| 18:19.00 | simonrvn | wols: so? |
| 18:19.01 | shahri | much faster? |
| 18:19.03 | shahri | or just a bit? |
| 18:19.05 | wols | shahri: also needed if you have 1GB or more RAM |
| 18:19.11 | shahri | ah ok |
| 18:19.15 | shahri | that's a better reason :P |
| 18:19.44 | pickcoder | can you use powernow with the 486 kernel? |
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| 18:19.51 | wols | shahri: also the dualcore part is not available with -486 :) |
| 18:20.07 | teclo | simonrvn: uhh what key is that ? |
| 18:20.10 | shahri | kk :P |
| 18:20.34 | wols | pickcoder: did OOo install now? |
| 18:20.39 | shahri | I just have to do "apt-get install linux-image-2.6.24-1-686", don't I? |
| 18:20.44 | shahri | and same for the headers probably |
| 18:20.45 | pickcoder | remembers the 486 Hippo DCA motherboard he used to run a BBS on |
| 18:20.47 | simonrvn | teclo: i was just kidding. i don't do it often enough to use anything but gucharmap |
| 18:20.53 | pickcoder | it's installing right now |
| 18:21.00 | wols | shahri: yes pretty much. linux-headers for that kernel too and then reboot |
| 18:21.09 | shahri | kk, thanks :) |
| 18:21.17 | wols | headers are for m-a laters |
| 18:21.21 | shahri | yup |
| 18:21.39 | wols | prays the kernel works well with nvidia :) |
| 18:21.48 | shahri | hopefully |
| 18:22.09 | wols | newer debian kernels sometimes act up due to xen and the nvidia module. ugly |
| 18:22.20 | wols | but .24 should be ok |
| 18:22.43 | pickcoder | \o/ |
| 18:22.46 | defrysk | 2.6.25 starts with xen |
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| 18:23.27 | defrysk | has intel o/ |
| 18:23.28 | wols | defrysk: yes but with nvidia you never know how they fuck up :P |
| 18:23.37 | pickcoder | tests oo2pdf script |
| 18:23.42 | dustybin | could anyone recommend a light weight alternative to firefox3, what uses the same engine, gecko |
| 18:23.51 | wols | defrysk: epiphany? |
| 18:23.52 | shahri | okaay, I'll reboot then, see you soon |
| 18:23.53 | defrysk | nvidia does not accept the xen-module |
| 18:23.58 | wols | but no gecko browser is really lightweight |
| 18:24.06 | wols | actually ffox3 got lighter than 2 |
| 18:24.17 | dustybin | wols: i thought it was the other way round? |
| 18:24.30 | wols | no. ff3 is optimized. uses less ram for example |
| 18:24.43 | wols | they fixed some past mistakes. javascript is much faster too |
| 18:24.54 | defrysk | ff3 is pretty good yes |
| 18:25.12 | wols | overall it got actually better and less bloaty |
| 18:25.15 | dustybin | wols: ok ill might as well stick with ff3 |
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| 18:25.33 | wols | but then ff2 was a disgrace |
| 18:25.38 | dustybin | wols: do you think ff3 + flash plugin would run ok on a PIII 733 with 512megs or RAM? |
| 18:25.55 | pickcoder | hm.. no errors and no output |
| 18:25.59 | pickcoder | but it works from command line |
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| 18:26.11 | manu_hack | has a PIII 500 with 192RAM laptop ... |
| 18:26.12 | wols | cause I ran ff2 on a p2 300 with 129MB and it was usable |
| 18:26.20 | dustybin | jeeze |
| 18:26.21 | shahri | strange, X works again oO |
| 18:26.21 | wols | flash of course is awful, but that's not a ff3 problem |
| 18:26.30 | wols | shahri: vesa? |
| 18:26.41 | shahri | but seems like if I installed the wrong kernel version :P |
| 18:26.42 | shahri | xD |
| 18:26.46 | shahri | not sure, wols |
| 18:26.48 | wols | shahri: how so? |
| 18:26.52 | dustybin | manu_hack: do you run ff3 + flash plugin on your laptop? |
| 18:27.02 | wols | shahri: probably the newly installed .debs you built yourself |
| 18:27.07 | manu_hack | dustybin: no, on that I can only use oprea |
| 18:27.09 | manu_hack | didn |
| 18:27.10 | wols | sid and etch are diverging again |
| 18:27.13 | manu_hack | try ff3 tho |
| 18:27.14 | shahri | mh |
| 18:27.18 | dustybin | ok |
| 18:27.27 | wols | sid and lenny I mean |
| 18:27.33 | wols | since lenny is frozen |
| 18:28.02 | ttidl | wols, so lenny is not testing any more? or testing is frozen? |
| 18:28.07 | manu_hack | when will the file /etc/debian_version update to separate lenny and sid? |
| 18:28.10 | wols | shahri: install mesa-utils and glxinfo |grep direct |
| 18:28.23 | wols | testing is frozen since debian devs want to release it soonish :) |
| 18:28.27 | shahri | I'll first try to install the right kernel I think |
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| 18:28.30 | wols | makeing it the new stable |
| 18:28.47 | wols | shahri: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 18:29.10 | shahri | ah yes, there it is |
| 18:29.22 | shahri | has to be 2.6.ah mh, no |
| 18:29.23 | wols | update-grub as root and it should be in your menu.lst |
| 18:29.24 | BillaBong- | i have a file called Makefile, how i can use this files? |
| 18:29.26 | shahri | not really |
| 18:29.31 | wols | then you need to actually choose it on bootup :) |
| 18:29.36 | shahri | actually, this was the most recent version I think |
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| 18:29.53 | wols | BillaBong-: install build-essential and run "make" in the dir with the file |
| 18:29.59 | wols | shahri: uname -a |
| 18:30.14 | shahri | 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 18:30.23 | pickcoder | now I'm getting java errors when macros are run |
| 18:30.25 | wols | so you run it... and you use either nv or vesa me thinks |
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| 18:30.35 | shahri | doesn't seem like if there's a .25 for 686 yet |
| 18:30.44 | wols | shahri: in lenny there is |
| 18:30.46 | pickcoder | I bet it has to do with spaces in filenames |
| 18:30.57 | wols | etch has 2.6.24 as the etchnhalf kernel |
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| 18:31.16 | wols | shahri: I wouldn't use a .25 kernel btw. unless you want to recompile it :) |
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| 18:31.32 | shahri | I used one before |
| 18:31.35 | shahri | and my headphones worked :P |
| 18:31.42 | BillaBong- | how i can get build-essential? |
| 18:31.43 | shahri | now they're not working again |
| 18:31.51 | wols | but nvidia drivers won't with debian kernels :) |
| 18:31.56 | stew | BillaBong-: aptitude install build-essential |
| 18:31.56 | shahri | yeah, ok |
| 18:32.03 | wols | BillaBong-: like any other package with aptitude |
| 18:32.32 | BillaBong- | but the problem is now i working with Slackware |
| 18:32.47 | wols | shahri: you could also use 2.6.18-686 if your rest hardware works better with that btw |
| 18:33.02 | shahri | hm, not sure, haven't tried it yet |
| 18:33.03 | wols | BillaBong-: we only support debian, not slack |
| 18:33.15 | dustybin | anybody know a tool what would quickly help me identify the size of a hard disk in a system, using /dev/hda etc |
| 18:33.17 | alraune | I just did a fresh debian-netinstall and now can't change my resolution, it always throws me to login screen, but doesn't change it, any idea? |
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| 18:33.26 | wols | dustybin: hdparm |
| 18:33.36 | dustybin | wols: thats the one thanks :) |
| 18:33.39 | wols | alraune: more info needed |
| 18:33.54 | stew | alraune: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 18:35.03 | alraune | Graphic is a pclr ati x1600, ati driver diddnt't install properly, have a gui for resolution change ( will try reconf. now, brb) |
| 18:35.10 | alraune | pcle |
| 18:36.39 | shahri | however, glxinfo | grep direct outputs http://pastebin.com/d2fc0c632 |
| 18:37.10 | wols | shahri: no nvidia. at least certainly not properly. all it should say is "yes" |
| 18:37.20 | shahri | kk |
| 18:37.27 | wols | shahri: but to be expected without mesa and no nvidia.ko loaded |
| 18:37.39 | wols | either nv or vesa. probably nv |
| 18:37.59 | wols | shahri: now, m-a it is for the kernel sources |
| 18:38.00 | shahri | so, what do you think I should do now? |
| 18:38.04 | pickcoder | zombied processes usually sit around when a parent dies without notifying the child right? |
| 18:38.11 | shahri | mh |
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| 18:39.31 | BillaBong- | my network card don't run under Linux |
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| 18:39.50 | BillaBong- | is a Realtek RLT-8139 |
| 18:39.56 | wols | BillaBong-: you still run slackware? |
| 18:40.04 | stew | BillaBong-: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 18:40.09 | BillaBong- | yes |
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| 18:40.26 | wols | BillaBong-: ask #slackware then |
| 18:40.32 | stew | BillaBong-: please go to #slackware to ask questions about slackware. you card would certainly be supported by debian, or linux in general |
| 18:40.58 | wols | stew: if it isn't in slack, it's worse than I thought :P |
| 18:41.21 | defrysk | no he made a slip during install |
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| 18:42.20 | shahri | wols: so, should I continue here http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-337f90d1f5d7baf630273562556bb3feac6e98b0 again? |
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| 18:43.13 | wols | shahri: need to go to "Now go into the /usr/src directory and extract the nvidia-kernel tarball. " part. the stuff before you already did. and if you redo it you overwrite your self compiled packages |
| 18:43.24 | shahri | ah ok |
| 18:43.26 | shahri | thanks |
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| 18:44.03 | screamingbytes | is the kernel stored anywhere other than /boot |
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| 18:44.42 | stew | screamingbytes: maybe? why do you ask? |
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| 18:46.27 | shahri | and after having these things done, shall I continue with steps 2-3? |
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| 18:47.14 | shahri | or reboot first? |
| 18:47.47 | defrysk | no need to reboot |
| 18:47.59 | wols | shahri: after you did it the steps are over |
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| 18:48.05 | shahri | okay |
| 18:48.08 | screamingbytes | cause i pooched my system by installing hotplug, it deleted the kernel (vmlinuz) config files etc... in /boot |
| 18:48.17 | wols | shahri: dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 18:48.35 | wols | screamingbytes: reinstall the kernel debs then |
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| 18:48.44 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:48.49 | wols | screamingbytes: check if /boot/grub is still there |
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| 18:49.08 | wols | screamingbytes: a copy of the deb is kept in /var/cache/apt/archives/ if you downlaoded your kernel |
| 18:49.09 | alraune | humm, after dpkg-reconfigure xorg.conf gdm doesn't start any more and I can't copy the xorg.conf-backup back to xorg.conf, saying /etc/X11/xorg.conf not found ?? |
| 18:49.09 | screamingbytes | wols: I have, boot is there with only memtest, and grub is still there intact |
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| 18:49.25 | wols | screamingbytes: reinstall your kernel then |
| 18:49.50 | shahri | mh and how can I check whether it works now? |
| 18:50.11 | wols | run X? |
| 18:50.19 | shahri | it is running, as I said :P |
| 18:50.21 | wols | make sure nvidia module is loaded via lsmod |
| 18:50.24 | wols | restart X |
| 18:50.26 | shahri | that's why I asked whether I have to reboot |
| 18:50.28 | shahri | ah ok |
| 18:50.40 | wols | you ONLY reboot if hardware or kernel changes. no other reason |
| 18:50.44 | shahri | nvidia 7100100 0 |
| 18:50.48 | wols | good |
| 18:50.50 | liable | sometimes its just easier.. |
| 18:50.50 | defrysk | perfect |
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| 18:51.11 | wols | shahri: and now restart X. if it doesn't work, it'S log file gazing again |
| 18:51.19 | shahri | kk |
| 18:51.25 | wols | if it does, glxinfo|grep direct |
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| 18:53.08 | shahri | okay, seems like if nvidia works now :P |
| 18:53.10 | shahri | but... xD |
| 18:53.19 | shahri | I can't login anymore via xdm |
| 18:53.25 | shahri | terminal does still work |
| 18:53.25 | alraune | after a su from cli : cp /etc/X11/xorg.conforig /etc/X11/xorg.conf (can see the xorg.conforig by ls ) |
| 18:53.31 | liable | lollerskates |
| 18:53.53 | wols | shahri: huh? nvidia works but you can't use xdm? wtf? |
| 18:53.57 | shahri | but when I try to login via xdm (I get a fancy nvidia splashscreen first :P), it tells me "Login incorrect" |
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| 18:54.13 | shahri | and it _is_ correct |
| 18:54.21 | alraune | cp worked now .. |
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| 18:54.27 | shahri | works in terminal, but not in xdm |
| 18:54.31 | shahri | very strange actually |
| 18:54.36 | liable | shahri: are you running sid? |
| 18:54.45 | liable | pam was updated recently |
| 18:55.07 | shahri | mh, I think I'm running lenny, but I have some sid packages installed |
| 18:55.11 | liable | it told me to restart *dm, but i havent upgraded in weeks |
| 18:55.23 | alraune | back in 1920x1440 |
| 18:55.29 | abrotman | liable: isn't it like .. 4am there? |
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| 18:56.16 | liable | abrotman: 3am. i just got back from scotland yesterday, so i'm kinda fucked up with timezones. i know i should be sleeping, but i cant :( |
| 18:56.21 | shahri | mh |
| 18:56.33 | abrotman | liable: go find a sheep to cuddle up with :) |
| 18:56.42 | alraune | wols:any other idea for a ATI X1600 (PCLE) then reconf-xorg to change resoltuion ? |
| 18:56.42 | liable | !fuck abrotman |
| 18:56.46 | liable | aww |
| 18:56.51 | wols | alraune: what debian version? |
| 18:56.59 | liable | who deleted that :( |
| 18:57.06 | abrotman | liable: PP |
| 18:57.08 | wols | the great PC purge |
| 18:57.13 | Computer | On a system with a Pentium III and 32MB of ram: Install Debian with a minimal DE, or install puppylinux/vectorlinux/DSL? |
| 18:57.22 | wols | Computer: puppy or such. |
| 18:57.27 | abrotman | Computer: end result would likely be the same |
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| 18:57.39 | abrotman | Computer: and really .. go get some PC100 RAM for that |
| 18:57.42 | Computer | abrotman, this is what I was wondering. |
| 18:58.00 | alraune | wols:newest etch (netinstall) kernel 2.6.18.6-amd64 |
| 18:58.01 | Computer | The resulting difference in performance |
| 18:58.08 | shahri | mh ok, any ideas concerning my problem? |
| 18:58.14 | wols | alraune: then drxx should work fine |
| 18:58.19 | abrotman | Computer: i'd suspect them to likely all perform just as poorly :) |
| 18:58.19 | jpinx | I have a 2nd HDD listed in fdisk -l but mount tells me it doesn't exist. Anyone able to help? |
| 18:58.34 | Computer | wols why do you suggest installing puppy or such? |
| 18:58.34 | wols | abrotman: with debian it#S not sure if it can even install |
| 18:58.35 | alraune | wols:paket drxx? |
| 18:58.42 | wols | etch claims to need 48MB for this |
| 18:58.47 | Computer | Oh |
| 18:58.50 | abrotman | wols: i think there's a low mem mode now |
| 18:58.50 | wols | !tell alraune about drxx |
| 18:58.58 | abrotman | wols: and he could always do sarge and upgrade |
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| 18:59.04 | wols | abrotman: still it will suck. DSL is halfway usable |
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| 18:59.15 | abrotman | it's all just as bad when actually in use |
| 18:59.17 | alraune | jpinx: both listed in fstab |
| 18:59.31 | mr_flea | Are there any howtos for getting ACPI events to work in Debian? |
| 18:59.33 | jpinx | alruane - no |
| 18:59.39 | jpinx | I am manually mounting |
| 19:00.01 | alraune | jpinx: want to keep it that way ? |
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| 19:00.32 | alraune | !drxx >alraune |
| 19:00.32 | dpkg | >alraune: To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86, and ask me about xmd5sum if you've changed XF86Config-4 yourself. |
| 19:00.33 | wols | !tell jpinx about errors |
| 19:01.20 | screamingbytes | wols: install any ol kernel? or try to dig up my config, system.map, and kernel from before? |
| 19:01.23 | jpinx | wols: sudo mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc1 /mnt/hdc1 |
| 19:01.23 | jpinx | mount: special device /dev/hdc1 does not exist |
| 19:01.31 | alraune | see dpkg is a bot similar to ubottu,,, |
| 19:01.36 | shahri | hm this is very strange |
| 19:01.38 | wols | screamingbytes: install the current debian kernel for your version of debian |
| 19:01.39 | shahri | slim doesn't work, too |
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| 19:01.57 | wols | jpinx: fdisk -l says what? |
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| 19:02.06 | alraune | wols;tried that before, but then gdm wouldn't start anymore |
| 19:02.06 | linkslice | anyone know how to monitor raid rebuild status with a 3ware raid card? |
| 19:02.11 | jpinx | alraune: I'd just like it to work - I can do fstab later |
| 19:02.20 | pickcoder | linkslice: install the software for it |
| 19:02.22 | jhaluska | I finally got the USB hard drive to mount. How can I make automount? |
| 19:02.23 | wols | shahri: dist-upgrade. maybe the kernel change did something? |
| 19:02.28 | shahri | ah hm |
| 19:02.30 | pickcoder | 3dm2 |
| 19:02.35 | shahri | worth a try, thanks |
| 19:02.38 | wols | !tell jhaluska about automount |
| 19:02.45 | jpinx | wols: /dev/hdc1 * 1 12158 97659103+ 7 HPFS/NTFS |
| 19:02.45 | liable | alraune: ubotu originally started with a copied database. so.. ubuto is similar to dpkg, like ubuntu is similar to debian.. |
| 19:02.49 | wols | shahri: what dbeian do you run actually? |
| 19:02.54 | shahri | lenny afaik |
| 19:02.55 | pickcoder | linkslice: it sets up a local web site with controller info and settings |
| 19:02.58 | alraune | jpinx: file system?, did a directory to mount to ? |
| 19:03.14 | linkslice | pickcoder, software for it? |
| 19:03.14 | shahri | ~75MB dist-upgrade will change -> quite a lot :P |
| 19:03.16 | wols | !tells shahri about version |
| 19:03.25 | shahri | hopefully it will work afterwards |
| 19:03.28 | alraune | liable:but debian has no displayconfig-gtk, marmel |
| 19:03.34 | jpinx | wols: file -s /dev/hdc1 |
| 19:03.34 | jpinx | /dev/hdc1: ERROR: cannot open `/dev/hdc1' (No such file or directory) |
| 19:03.38 | wols | shahri: you want to run testing, them are the breaks |
| 19:03.47 | liable | alraune: huh? |
| 19:03.48 | wols | jpinx: is udev running? |
| 19:03.49 | jhaluska | wols: Is automount only for KDE? |
| 19:04.04 | shahri | "them are the breaks"? |
| 19:04.04 | pickcoder | linkslice: it's in restricted/main |
| 19:04.13 | pickcoder | 3ware-3md2-binary |
| 19:04.14 | alraune | liable: I just did a fresh debian-netinstall and now can't change my resolution, it always throws me to login screen, but doesn't change it, any idea? |
| 19:04.14 | wols | jhaluska: there is more than one way to automount shown |
| 19:04.18 | pickcoder | 3ware-3dm2-binary |
| 19:04.50 | liable | alraune: etch? |
| 19:04.56 | jpinx | wols: sorry - I have no idea what udev is |
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| 19:05.21 | wols | !udev |
| 19:05.21 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ or/and http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html. Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of <DevFS>, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555, or ask me about <z25>, or <udev rules> |
| 19:05.36 | jhaluska | wols: I'm looking for a command line one, and I'm assuming I want autofs then |
| 19:05.36 | wols | dpkg: outdated factoid |
| 19:05.37 | dpkg | wols: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 19:05.42 | alraune | jpinx: mount -t ntfs /dev/hdc /mnt/ntfs , before do a : mkdir /mnt/ntfs |
| 19:05.52 | wols | alraune: huh? |
| 19:05.57 | shahri | awww no, now it downloads the 468 images again >.> |
| 19:06.00 | liable | wheres the link to the best udev bug of all time |
| 19:06.02 | alraune | liable: yup |
| 19:06.06 | wols | alraune: /dev/hdc is NOT /dev/hdc1... |
| 19:06.08 | shahri | why? |
| 19:06.21 | wols | shahri: only updates. it will keep your new kernel. no worry |
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| 19:06.30 | unsolo_ | so i followed the debian isp style and made some redundant mail servers.. |
| 19:06.30 | shahri | okay, good |
| 19:06.33 | unsolo_ | however i got into a problem with my clients complaining of bouncing mails. |
| 19:06.47 | liable | alraune: then you need to check your xorg log. |
| 19:06.48 | wols | jpinx: udev is default used for etch and admins all /dev entries basically now |
| 19:07.11 | alraune | liable:will do, brb |
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| 19:08.16 | jpinx | wols: I have succesfully mounted another HDD in the same slot, so the system seems to be working |
| 19:08.58 | wols | jpinx: ls /dev/.static/hdc1 |
| 19:09.48 | jpinx | wols: ls: /dev/.static/hdc1: No such file or directory |
| 19:10.11 | alraune | is there no apt-installable pastebinit in etch ? |
| 19:11.30 | linkslice | pickcoder, ok I'm looking at it but don't see how to add the repo to apt? |
| 19:12.17 | alraune | is there no apt-installable pastebinit in etch ? and no pidgin ? |
| 19:12.41 | wols | jpinx: then I dunno. dmesg |grep hdc does the kernel recognize it? maybe it's /dev/sdc or sdb? |
| 19:12.49 | wols | !gaim | alraune |
| 19:12.52 | wols | !gaim |
| 19:12.52 | dpkg | methinks gaim is an AIM clone for UN*X (http://gaim.sf.net/). It's graphical (it uses Gtk+), and uses the TIK/TOC protocol as well as Oscar. If gaim can't sign on, try the cvs version - http://gaim.sf.net/cvs.shtml, or really meant for AIM, but now with plugins supports ICQ, MSN and Yahoo!, or to get the cvs version, add "deb http://people.debian.org/~robot101/gaim unstable cvs" to your sources.list. a shit irc client Gaim an I.M. see <pidgin> |
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| 19:13.09 | alraune | liable:http://paste.ubuntu.com/36607/ |
| 19:13.14 | wols | alraune: bpo should have pidgin. asnd no pastebinit in etch, no |
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| 19:14.09 | thiagomz | Hi guys ! |
| 19:14.11 | alraune | liable:couldn't find anything obscure in xorg0.log |
| 19:14.17 | alraune | wols: bpo ? |
| 19:14.22 | liable | alraune: there is nothing fatal in that output |
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| 19:14.34 | wols | !tell alraune about bpo |
| 19:15.05 | pickcoder | linkslice: you should already have a repository for it |
| 19:15.25 | pickcoder | just add "restricted" after non-free |
| 19:15.33 | pickcoder | oh wait |
| 19:15.37 | wols | pickcoder: there is no restricted :P |
| 19:15.41 | pickcoder | that's in unoffical |
| 19:15.44 | liable | alraune: though the header for that file shows an odd paragraph. i have never seen that for debian.. |
| 19:15.55 | thiagomz | Could anyone help me .. i need to exclude all directories and files at one directory except hiden files and the bkp directory, how can i do that with find ? I tried a lot of sintax but i got stuck. ;-) |
| 19:16.00 | liable | Linux pc-00153 2.6.18-6-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jun 16 22:30:01 UTC 2008 x86_64 |
| 19:16.02 | pickcoder | deb http://ftp.debian-unofficial.org/debian etch main contrib non-free restricted |
| 19:16.04 | liable | debian? |
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| 19:16.40 | alraune | liable:yup, a netinstall 2 hours ago |
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| 19:16.49 | wols | shahri: how far along are you? *g* |
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| 19:16.59 | jhaluska | I have a USB hard drive, how can I make sure it gets mounted on each boot up |
| 19:17.11 | alraune | wols: rpm seek gives pidgin, too, but no pastebinit, googling... |
| 19:17.13 | shahri | dist-upgrade, still :P |
| 19:17.15 | shahri | takes for ages |
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| 19:17.39 | liable | alraune: i dont see the problem with that log file, for all purposes, it looks like it starts fine. |
| 19:17.55 | wols | alraune: what are you doing with rpm seek? stay away from evil! |
| 19:17.58 | shahri | it just updated pam and restarted slim, but still it didn't work |
| 19:18.24 | wols | shahri: check logs? |
| 19:18.36 | shahri | mh which ones? |
| 19:18.41 | alraune | wols: evil? found: http://www.stgraber.org/2008/06/10/pastebinit-now-debian |
| 19:19.00 | roe_ | any idea what package provides /usr/bin/sendmail? |
| 19:19.04 | wols | alraune: rpmseek is very evil for dbeian |
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| 19:19.11 | wols | roe_: every MTA out there |
| 19:19.25 | wols | !tell roe_ about search |
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| 19:19.41 | alraune | liable:problem is a 1900... blabla resolution I can't lower, it simply drops me out (gdm restart), when back in, its the same |
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| 19:20.10 | roe_ | yes, except "sendmail" returns a lot of wrong information, I didn't realize it was mta provided, thank you |
| 19:20.15 | pickcoder | roe_: several.. the original, of course, is in sendmail. The rest are compat scripts |
| 19:20.28 | alraune | think i will comment out xorg manually then |
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| 19:20.47 | liable | alraune: hmm, from that log, it should drop you to a graphical display. where are you seeing this error? can you paste your gdm log? |
| 19:21.24 | liable | i cant see the problem.. |
| 19:21.33 | alraune | liable: /var/log/gdm.log ? |
| 19:21.56 | liable | alraune: i think it has its own dir, but its in /var/log somewhere |
| 19:22.04 | alraune | brb |
| 19:22.09 | liable | or whatever *dm you use |
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| 19:22.55 | linkslice | pickcoder, ah I found it |
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| 19:23.12 | n3kl | Does anyone know how to setup a span/mirror port on debian? |
| 19:23.25 | master_of_master | hi, how can I change the order of the grub entrees? (so that update-grub doesn't change it back) |
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| 19:23.39 | shahri | same problem... mh |
| 19:23.51 | n3kl | master_of_master: default? |
| 19:24.04 | shahri | the strange thing it that it works in terminal |
| 19:24.10 | linkslice | I restored a raid from one machine to another and the eth0 int has become eth3 how do I change that back to eth0? |
| 19:24.12 | shahri | *is |
| 19:24.36 | shahri | *sigh* |
| 19:24.56 | master_of_master | n3kl: what default? I just whant to change the order. |
| 19:25.09 | Insolit | I'd like to know if someone knows if i can have a linux server with samba + openldap, doing the same as active directory, like for example supporting group policies |
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| 19:25.18 | PinkFreud | linkslice: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 19:25.42 | PinkFreud | linkslice: once you make any necessary changes in there, run 'udevtrigger' |
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| 19:25.50 | wols | !tell linkslice about z25 |
| 19:25.52 | n3kl | master_of_master: there is a "default" option in teh menu.lst that will allow you to change which one gets booted. By default the order of the kernel entries in grub are alphanum iirc. |
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| 19:26.28 | n3kl | I think there is also a mactab or something |
| 19:26.30 | n3kl | !mactab |
| 19:26.36 | n3kl | meh |
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| 19:26.57 | shahri | ok, any ideas? |
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| 19:27.15 | SDr | hi |
| 19:27.23 | shahri | mh, maybe I should ask in the German debian channel too |
| 19:27.24 | master_of_master | n3kl: I know that option, but that isn't a good thing for my problem |
| 19:27.28 | shahri | would be easier for me |
| 19:27.33 | SDr | may I know why I can't find mod_svn in apt-cache search? |
| 19:27.39 | wols | shahri: you're doing fine so far (imho) |
| 19:27.40 | n3kl | master_of_master: care to explain the problem? |
| 19:27.47 | shahri | mh ok |
| 19:28.07 | shahri | doesn't work though xD |
| 19:28.07 | wols | shahri: login via console works, and you can run startx there just fine? |
| 19:28.13 | shahri | yup |
| 19:28.17 | wols | shahri: ok, that's a minor problem :P |
| 19:28.31 | wols | shahri: what DE do you use? |
| 19:28.43 | shahri | fluxbox, even though it's not really a DE |
| 19:28.51 | wols | just for kicks, install gdm? |
| 19:29.00 | shahri | mhhh |
| 19:29.07 | shahri | ok |
| 19:29.22 | wols | totally fresh DM to see if it's something crufty causeing it (you can deinstall it afterwards. just for a test) |
| 19:29.28 | shahri | yup |
| 19:29.31 | shahri | all right |
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| 19:30.39 | stew | SDr: libapache2-svn ? |
| 19:31.29 | shahri | still doesn't work |
| 19:31.36 | shahri | login incorrect, just as before |
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| 19:32.03 | n3kl | shahri: are you trying to log in as root? |
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| 19:32.11 | shahri | nope |
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| 19:32.21 | shahri | but I tried that too |
| 19:32.33 | n3kl | read you logs? |
| 19:32.44 | shahri | which ones? |
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| 19:32.49 | n3kl | shahri: all |
| 19:32.55 | shahri | hmmmm |
| 19:33.09 | n3kl | tail -f /var/log/* /var/log/*/* |
| 19:33.11 | shahri | everything in /var/log ? |
| 19:33.15 | shahri | ow hm |
| 19:33.25 | shahri | okay |
| 19:33.27 | wols | shahri: cdreate a new user? |
| 19:33.39 | wols | *d |
| 19:33.41 | wols | *create |
| 19:33.58 | shahri | what's the command to do so? never did it before |
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| 19:35.01 | wols | adduser |
| 19:35.17 | shahri | kk |
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| 19:36.05 | Computer | HI MY NAME IS WILL FARREL I YELL WHEN I TALK TO EMPHASIZE SARCASTIC OVER-ENTHUSIASM AND IT MAKES THE THINGS THAT I SAY A LOT FUNNIER |
| 19:36.14 | abrotman | !tell Computer about ot |
| 19:36.18 | shahri | works with the new user :) |
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| 19:36.24 | shahri | okay... |
| 19:36.26 | s0l1dsnak3123 | :D |
| 19:36.36 | s0l1dsnak3123 | hello debian friends :D |
| 19:36.37 | Computer | I thought I was in defocus.. :C |
| 19:36.56 | wols | shahri: progress! :) |
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| 19:37.04 | shahri | yeah, true :D |
| 19:37.06 | wols | shahri: reset pw of the old one |
| 19:37.54 | s0l1dsnak3123 | I am having a problem: I was playing about with colours in the bash prompt, and now my root account is stuck with jumbled garbage :( |
| 19:38.02 | s0l1dsnak3123 | http://sial.org/pbot/31877 |
| 19:38.39 | n3kl | s0l1dsnak3123: export PS1=">" |
| 19:38.43 | shahri | mhh by resetting you mean executing passwd and then entering the old one again? |
| 19:39.09 | s0l1dsnak3123 | n3kl: that works temporarily, but not permenantly I'm afraid |
| 19:39.27 | n3kl | s0l1dsnak3123: did you change your PS1 in your .bash_profile? |
| 19:39.30 | billy_ | hello folks (lenny) trying to build a initrd image using yaird ( 0.0.12-18), but the following error: yaird error: unrecognised line in /proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq= (fatal). any pointers to a solutions ( tried googling but none of methods suggested so far have worked, include applying a patch) thanks |
| 19:39.37 | stew | s0l1dsnak3123: fix /root/.bashrc or whever you are defining the bad prompt? |
| 19:39.52 | va | is there an easy way (like downloading a deb package or two and installing them) to get firefox 3 in etch? |
| 19:40.01 | s0l1dsnak3123 | n3kl, stew: I will check both of those things |
| 19:40.03 | stew | billy_: have you checked the bts for yaird? |
| 19:40.04 | wols | va: no |
| 19:40.05 | n3kl | va: it might be backported |
| 19:40.16 | va | n3kl: where do i look? |
| 19:40.25 | alraune | liable:http://paste.ubuntu.com/36614/ |
| 19:40.26 | n3kl | wols says no, but .. |
| 19:40.27 | wols | va: n3kl is wrong. does not exist in bpo |
| 19:40.45 | va | bummer |
| 19:41.01 | wols | !firefox 3 etch |
| 19:41.02 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...) |
| 19:41.06 | billy_ | stew: thanks for the reply ! what do you mean by bts? thanks |
| 19:41.12 | stew | !bts |
| 19:41.13 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 19:41.22 | s0l1dsnak3123 | stew: I love you ^_^ |
| 19:41.32 | stew | i don't believe that backport will ever come |
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| 19:41.36 | liable | alraune: really, you should have x. |
| 19:41.41 | alraune | well, fixed resololution prob by simply deleting the higher modes from the xorg conf, ok for now, but can still not change it via gui |
| 19:41.44 | billy_ | stew: ok thanks :-) |
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| 19:42.10 | liable | alraune: what if you do <alt>+<ctrl>+<F1> ? |
| 19:42.17 | shahri | wols: what exactly did you mean by resetting the password? |
| 19:42.18 | liable | alraune: what if you do <alt>+<ctrl>+<F7> ? |
| 19:42.25 | shahri | I tried it using passwd |
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| 19:42.37 | wols | shahri: chaning it |
| 19:42.42 | alraune | wols:concerning pidgin i tried to add that backports to sources, but then apt-get update reclaims broken packages |
| 19:42.44 | wols | *changing it. for the account that doesn't work |
| 19:42.44 | n3kl | shahri: type passwd <user> |
| 19:42.51 | alraune | liable: try.. |
| 19:42.54 | wols | !tell alraune about errors |
| 19:43.11 | stew | alraune: what command did you use to try to install pidgin? |
| 19:43.13 | shahri | mh yeah |
| 19:43.16 | liable | alraune: i really dont see whats the problem. x looks to start fine. |
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| 19:43.49 | shahri | it always complains about something |
| 19:43.51 | alraune | stew: apt-get install pidgin |
| 19:44.00 | stew | alraune: read the instructions page on backports.org |
| 19:44.11 | alraune | liable: nothing happens at alt-ctrl-F7 |
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| 19:45.24 | shahri | wols: ok, changed it, still doesn't work |
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| 19:45.39 | liable | this is a challenge. you obviously have something odd going on, but we need to work out what it is |
| 19:46.15 | liable | alraune: you have gnome installed? |
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| 19:46.41 | alraune | yup, damn, need toi get food , brb in 40 min, sry |
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| 19:47.33 | shahri | and when I want to change it back it complains about my new pw being too simple... why didn't it complain when I installed debian? |
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| 19:51.41 | shahri | whoawhoa |
| 19:51.46 | shahri | I think I just found the reason myself |
| 19:51.52 | shahri | hell |
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| 19:52.05 | shahri | seems like if this whole upgrade stuff changed my keyboard layout >.< |
| 19:52.06 | azrael_valedhel | hi all, I've got a question - I recently had to install network card, additional to the integrated one, which got ...burned ;) now after booting I have no net access, ifconfig pronts only "lo" interface, no ethN, so I do dhclient - it does request dhcp for things and then I have eth0 and eth1... If I remember good - well, the point is it works. but it has a flaw - it backs to default values my /etc/resolv.conf - so I have to add my |
| 19:52.22 | shahri | and my password does contain letters being affected by that |
| 19:52.26 | shahri | god damn it :P |
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| 19:52.40 | abrotman | azrael_valedhel: dmesg | grep eth .. see anything ? |
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| 19:52.43 | shahri | very very tricky mistake |
| 19:52.52 | shahri | ok... how to change the keyboard layout in terminal? |
| 19:52.57 | liable | azrael_valedhel: you got cut off after "defauls values my" |
| 19:52.57 | wols | shahri: UGLY :) |
| 19:53.00 | azrael_valedhel | is there a shell script somewhere or conf file I could edit to force dhclient *not* to remove my resolv.conf? |
| 19:53.01 | shahri | yeah :P |
| 19:53.03 | liable | err |
| 19:53.08 | liable | ah fuckit |
| 19:53.17 | wols | console-tools or console-data reconfigire |
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| 19:53.19 | wols | !keyboard |
| 19:53.19 | dpkg | A keyboard is something you hit to fix segfaults, sigsegvs, and faulty hardware or at http://store.yahoo.com/pfuca-store/. For help setting up your keyboard, ask me about <keymap>, <keyboard specialkeys>, <multimedia keys>, <key delay> |
| 19:53.27 | wols | !keymap |
| 19:53.28 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap", or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or use kcontrol, gnome-control-center or similar. For setting up X keymaps, also check out xkeycaps and xev, or ask me about <multimedia keys>. In console you can also use "loadkeys" for once-only/temporary adjustments. |
| 19:53.33 | wols | that'S it :) |
| 19:53.40 | liable | stop spamming! |
| 19:53.47 | liable | !beat wols |
| 19:53.47 | dpkg | beats wols with a large stick. |
| 19:53.49 | wols | spams liable some more |
| 19:53.53 | shahri | thanks a lot mate :) |
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| 19:54.56 | azrael_valedhel | liable: it backs to default values my /etc/resolv.conf - so I have to add my dns info again (by cp /etc/resolv.conf.bak /etc/resolv.conf). |
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| 19:55.29 | liable | !resolv.conf |
| 19:55.39 | shahri | !set up x |
| 19:55.39 | dpkg | To install X in etch or later "aptitude install xorg" , you may also want to install a window manager or ask me about <install gnome>, or <install kde>, or <install xfce>, or <install fluxbox>. To reconfigure your X server, ask me about <drxx>. |
| 19:55.52 | liable | whats the factoid thats not using chattr? |
| 19:55.53 | shahri | !drxx |
| 19:55.53 | wols | shahri: you don't need that. X works |
| 19:55.53 | dpkg | To reconfigure your X server, run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg as root. If you're not using Xorg (sarge or earlier), dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 but ask me about <sarge->etch>. |
| 19:55.53 | n3kl | holy crap ppl, stop breaking your machines |
| 19:55.54 | liable | azrael_valedhel: ? |
| 19:56.01 | liable | abrotman: ? |
| 19:56.02 | shahri | wols: yeah but I think this is easier |
| 19:56.04 | wols | !tell shahri about msgthebot |
| 19:56.23 | azrael_valedhel | liable: the part that was cut off ;p |
| 19:56.28 | liable | !fix resolv.conf |
| 19:56.28 | dpkg | takes resolv.conf to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 19:56.39 | wols | liable: man resolv.conf :P |
| 19:56.40 | liable | dpkg: you useless fleabag! |
| 19:56.40 | dpkg | I resemble that remark! |
| 19:56.54 | liable | !kill wols |
| 19:56.54 | dpkg | subjects wols to excruciating pain with a Knoppix CD |
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| 19:57.11 | liable | my brain isnt working well enough it seems |
| 19:57.21 | wols | cuddle with some more sheep. you really need it |
| 19:57.22 | liable | tell me the factoid! |
| 19:57.29 | shahri | wols: does it even work using xmodmap? |
| 19:57.31 | wols | you're acting worse than *I* usually do |
| 19:57.45 | wols | shahri: use drxx first |
| 19:57.47 | azrael_valedhel | liable: the thing is - dhclient rewrites my resolv.conf - is there any way to stop it from doing it? |
| 19:57.49 | abrotman | liable: ? |
| 19:57.50 | shahri | yup |
| 19:57.50 | liable | i'm lacking sleep and quite drunk by now |
| 19:57.56 | abrotman | liable: find it ? |
| 19:57.59 | wols | shahri: xmodmap is for special things. like if you want to remap alt to ctrl and vice versa and such |
| 19:58.11 | abrotman | !tell liable about fixresolvconf the ugly way |
| 19:58.19 | liable | abrotman: do me a favour and just say the factoid |
| 19:58.25 | abrotman | i did!~ |
| 19:58.25 | liable | grr |
| 19:58.26 | wols | azrael_valedhel: man dhclient.conf. you can change it that way. ignore anything liable tells you about chattr :P |
| 19:58.29 | abrotman | ish |
| 19:58.52 | liable | the proper way! |
| 19:59.02 | abrotman | i did! |
| 19:59.08 | liable | your all a mob of bastards |
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| 20:00.03 | wols | liable: we're grammar nazis too! *you're! |
| 20:00.05 | azrael_valedhel | ok, thanks ;) I'll do it tomorrow, today I'm just going to sleep ;) |
| 20:00.21 | Araneidae | I have no entropy: where the bloody hell can I find some?! |
| 20:00.22 | n3kl | wols: haha |
| 20:00.30 | liable | wols: i was expecting abortman to say that, but thankfully someone did |
| 20:00.40 | Araneidae | `cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail` is too damned small... |
| 20:00.46 | abrotman | liable: sorry .. i was doing work |
| 20:00.48 | n3kl | !your |
| 20:00.48 | dpkg | from memory, your is the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 20:00.53 | stew | Araneidae: "find /" |
| 20:00.53 | n3kl | nice! |
| 20:01.08 | Araneidae | stew, yeah I use that when things freeze up |
| 20:01.19 | Araneidae | find / -xdev really |
| 20:01.22 | liable | abrotman: likely story |
| 20:01.37 | abrotman | liable: what would you know about work! |
| 20:01.38 | shahri | hm still doesn't work oO |
| 20:01.40 | Araneidae | But it's a tedious solution. Why the bloody hell won't it use network entropy? |
| 20:01.52 | liable | abrotman: i know its to be avoided! |
| 20:01.55 | Araneidae | There's plenty of that, and nothing of any other sort ... |
| 20:02.02 | abrotman | it's ? |
| 20:02.04 | shahri | but I don't whether this is because it's not because of the keyboard layout or because it didn't change the layout properly |
| 20:02.11 | shahri | +know |
| 20:02.31 | wols | shahri: pastebin your xorg.conf |
| 20:02.33 | n3kl | !its |
| 20:02.33 | dpkg | its is, like, the third person neuter singular possessive prononun -- "belonging to it". It does not have an apostrophe. "It's" is a contraction for "it is" and uses an apostrophe to denote removed letters. the Incompatible Timesharing System |
| 20:02.39 | n3kl | I love it! |
| 20:02.45 | liable | *groan* |
| 20:02.51 | shahri | ah nope, just found the mistake again :P |
| 20:02.59 | shahri | I used my old pw to login |
| 20:03.05 | shahri | ok, wait... |
| 20:03.32 | wols | liable: we will drive you to sleep. either that or you explode a blood vessel due to anger |
| 20:03.39 | shahri | works now, hell xD |
| 20:03.44 | wols | hz :P |
| 20:03.45 | liable | my heartrate is already up |
| 20:03.47 | wols | *gz |
| 20:03.55 | shahri | thanks :P |
| 20:04.00 | liable | is getting old |
| 20:04.00 | shahri | and thanks a lot to you for helping me |
| 20:04.09 | shahri | wait, I'll switch to xchat |
| 20:04.12 | wols | liable: cool. the blood vessel thing means we're rid of you permanently :P |
| 20:04.22 | screamingbytes | wols: kk ive been trying, and im obviously stupid in this act. What should the process be for recovering my kernel. I have a boot cd loaded, and I have mounted sda1, sda3, and sda4 loaded. Which gives me all partitions, boot, /, and /home respectively |
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| 20:04.32 | asg | wols: or you could just stab him and get the whole thing over with |
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| 20:04.52 | screamingbytes | wols: recovering other data ive done, but a disk from where a kernel is gone stumps me a bit |
| 20:04.58 | liable | wols: i will be sharing the pain before i go |
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| 20:05.02 | shahri | phew |
| 20:05.04 | nf | hi all |
| 20:05.11 | wols | asg: drinving someone to get a stroke over the internet is a) more ingenious b) doesn't involve a criminal act. win, win |
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| 20:05.37 | n3kl | screamingbytes: start backing up your kernels? |
| 20:05.48 | nf | hmmm... not sure I'm in the right place - is this #debian? ;) |
| 20:05.50 | liable | driving someone to drink, then stroke == i need to go water the garden |
| 20:05.53 | nf | h, ok, it is |
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| 20:05.56 | n3kl | screamingbytes: mount /boot and ls? |
| 20:05.56 | asg | wols: I agree with a) but b) has already been proven in court |
| 20:06.02 | wols | screamingbytes: boot a live cd. mount the hdds. bind mount /proc and /dev to your future chroot, then chroot. then install a kernel |
| 20:06.17 | wols | asg: where? |
| 20:06.40 | nf | guys, is there a way to make a certain script being run upon attaching/disconnecting of a certain specified USB device? |
| 20:06.46 | asg | wols: the woman who harrassed the one teen on MySpace ; the teen then committed suicide. The woman was charged. |
| 20:06.49 | abrotman | udev actions |
| 20:07.03 | abrotman | asg: tell the mrs to leave the kids alone! |
| 20:07.07 | liable | asg: dont bring RL into it! |
| 20:07.12 | asg | abrotman: goo goo gajoob |
| 20:07.14 | asg | liable: ^^^ |
| 20:07.16 | wols | asg: that was a suicide... different thing. an aneurysm is more like an act of god. and usually won't even mean an autopsy |
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| 20:07.39 | n3kl | haha |
| 20:07.42 | asg | wols: perhaps. Given the nature of jurisprudence these days, I'd not hedge my bets |
| 20:07.44 | nf | abrotman: man udev is very unfriendly for udev n00bs - anywhere to start? /etc/udev/rules.d <- is that the dir? |
| 20:07.49 | liable | ohno, the last words the cops will see on my monitor was "CHATTR!!!?:??!!" |
| 20:08.04 | asg | makes liable immutable |
| 20:08.05 | amphi | heh |
| 20:08.10 | wols | asg: not to mention charging her for murder or such can't be possible. ther is no law against what she did. and the fraud/violation of TOS of myspace is simply too ridiculous to believe |
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| 20:09.16 | asg | wols: manslaughter most likely and possibly conspiracy |
| 20:09.20 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 20:09.21 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 20:09.32 | liable | death by annoyance |
| 20:09.36 | asg | !abrotman rules |
| 20:09.36 | abrotman | asg: barabajagal ? |
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| 20:09.51 | CoolCold | are any good with iozone ? |
| 20:09.59 | asg | abrotman: is that a form of lunch meat? |
| 20:10.07 | CoolCold | i wanna know what different values mean |
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| 20:10.17 | wols | asg: I don't agree. yes there is high pressure to go that route but it's simply not sensible |
| 20:10.17 | abrotman | asg: it's a song by an old folk singer .. Coo Coo CaChoo .. Barabajagal |
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| 20:10.31 | liable | duh |
| 20:10.39 | wols | asg: conspiracy with whom? manslaughter how? the teen killed itself, she didn't lift a finger |
| 20:10.39 | cahoot | iOzone - mac users ozone? |
| 20:10.43 | Intensity | Hi. Is the etch installer's default partitioning program GPT aware? I know that GNU parted is GPT aware, but from looking at the partitioning of this Mac (after Boot Camp was installed), I can't tell whether I'm looking at MBR mirrored information or native GPT partitioning information. |
| 20:10.52 | liable | didnt the curly haired chick sing that? |
| 20:10.55 | stew | death by offtopic |
| 20:11.04 | asg | nods |
| 20:11.06 | liable | ohnos |
| 20:11.19 | n3kl | Intensity: can linux run on a mac? |
| 20:11.22 | abrotman | yes |
| 20:11.25 | Intensity | n3kl: Yes. |
| 20:11.31 | n3kl | news to me |
| 20:11.40 | abrotman | really? |
| 20:11.48 | wols | n3kl: debian runs/ran on 13 different platforms. including PPC |
| 20:11.57 | n3kl | I worked with yellowdog for a number of years, but not since they moved to intel |
| 20:12.04 | wols | "if it has a 32bit CPU, debian runs on it" |
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| 20:12.12 | wols | should be the official motto |
| 20:12.13 | Intensity | This is an Intel Mac I'm installing on here... |
| 20:12.14 | shahri | "(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)" hum, not good, I guess |
| 20:12.23 | wols | shahri: after reboot? |
| 20:12.31 | shahri | actually yes |
| 20:12.39 | n3kl | Intensity: which one? |
| 20:12.40 | liable | except if they make a stupid bios |
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| 20:13.04 | n3kl | shahri: I thought you had it working. Stop dicking with it |
| 20:13.05 | wols | shahri: lsmod |grep nvidia |
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| 20:13.17 | wols | shahri: is it loaded? |
| 20:13.19 | Intensity | n3kl: It's a MacBook Pro. |
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| 20:13.29 | shahri | actually yes :/ |
| 20:13.31 | n3kl | Intensity: ah, I was looking at getting one of those actually |
| 20:13.32 | wols | Intensity: it works. tons of howtos available |
| 20:13.44 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/d64934c42 |
| 20:14.14 | wols | *sigh* |
| 20:14.25 | shahri | :/ |
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| 20:14.32 | wols | locate libGL |
| 20:14.43 | Intensity | I see that libparted was loaded as a module... But I want to double check whether I need to use GNU parted, or whether I am already using it. I'm looking at an Ubuntu installer which is suggesting that I run GNU parted. So I haven't come across a problem yet; I'm merely checking so that I don't obliterate the partition by creating an inconsistency between MBR and GPT viewpoints. |
| 20:15.08 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/d24d4885b |
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| 20:15.52 | wols | dpkg -L > http://pastebin.com/d24d4885b |
| 20:15.52 | dpkg | No packages found matching > http://pastebin.com/d24d4885b |
| 20:16.02 | wols | shahri: dpkg -S /usr/lib/libGL.so rahter |
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| 20:16.22 | wols | shahri: dpkg -l |grep mesa for good measure |
| 20:16.30 | xdr | anyone know if compiz has migrated to some other project? |
| 20:16.38 | orgthingy | what does dpkg -S does? |
| 20:16.40 | wols | xdr: compiz-fusion |
| 20:16.46 | eximium | compiz fusion |
| 20:16.46 | orgthingy | what do these letters do anyway? -i, -S..etc? |
| 20:16.50 | wols | orgthingy: man dpkg tells you. great thing a manpage |
| 20:17.01 | xdr | thz wols |
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| 20:17.18 | eximium | orgthingy: -S displays package name which contains the file you are searching for |
| 20:17.34 | mfaraci | can someone help me trying to configutr tomcat5.5 to unpack ROOT.war, i have set docbase to exact path, but it removes the ROOT.war and does not unpack it, weird |
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| 20:18.20 | shahri | okay... http://pastebin.com/d5fd56bdd dpkg -S ... and http://pastebin.com/d31c7f42c dpkg -l ... |
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| 20:18.32 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:18.42 | wols | screamingbytes: install |
| 20:18.43 | screamingbytes | wols: I don't have any saved that were compiled |
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| 20:19.44 | screamingbytes | n3kl: ive never lost a kernel by installing a pkg, but thats what happened. No excuse I know, but thats just what happened. |
| 20:19.46 | wols | shahri: remove libgl1-mesa-glx and dpkg -i the nvidia-glx again. heck nvidia-glx-dev too |
| 20:20.05 | screamingbytes | ive honestly never lost a kernel. only data, which ive always had backups |
| 20:20.05 | wols | screamingbytes: could be a weird autoremove thing |
| 20:20.09 | wols | screamingbytes: lenny? |
| 20:20.16 | screamingbytes | wols: yea |
| 20:20.27 | wols | then probably automremove snafu |
| 20:20.41 | wols | screamingbytes: just install a kernel from debian.org reo |
| 20:20.42 | astra-xwork | if apt-get clean and autoclean do not work, how do you clean out ~ off all the cached files? |
| 20:20.44 | wols | *repo |
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| 20:20.46 | shahri | wols: removing libgl1-mesa-glx will remove a lot of other stuff |
| 20:20.54 | shahri | xdm etc. |
| 20:21.07 | wols | astra-xwork: those files are never in ~ only apt-get source puts files there |
| 20:21.09 | wols | astra-xwork: rm them |
| 20:21.12 | screamingbytes | wols: reo? |
| 20:21.13 | eximium | astra-xwork: /var/cache/apt/archives, rm |
| 20:21.22 | screamingbytes | wols: or repository |
| 20:21.26 | wols | repo |
| 20:21.31 | astra-xwork | ah no way to do it manually |
| 20:21.32 | screamingbytes | wols: gotcha, ty |
| 20:21.43 | wols | screamingbytes: simply reinstall nvidia-glx stuff then maybe |
| 20:22.30 | wols | screamingbytes: nvidia-glx diverts some mesa files (like glx) and I think when you dist upgraded it might have installed a new mesa reverting it |
| 20:22.57 | wols | if that's the case reinstalling nvidia packages will fix it for now. then put mesa on hold and curse debian to eternity :P |
| 20:23.33 | theocrite | Hi |
| 20:23.37 | shahri | hmm :P |
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| 20:24.09 | roue | hola |
| 20:24.11 | shahri | ok seriously now xD |
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| 20:25.41 | roue | I've just installed amd64 Lenny on my laptop and it's creating /dev/cdrom1 and /dev/dvd1 but not /dev/cdrom /dev/dvd . Both work fine, but they're not what some applications are expecting. I tried creating sym links (and it worked), but the links don't survive reboot. Thanks. |
| 20:26.12 | wols | roue: check /etc/udev/rules.d/ for cdrom1 and dvd1 |
| 20:26.19 | roue | wols thanks for the tip. |
| 20:26.23 | enouf | roue: see what /etc/default/{cdrecord,wodim} say |
| 20:26.25 | wols | shahri: did it work? |
| 20:26.37 | enouf | roue: oh yeah, the udev rules are it, pretty sure |
| 20:26.50 | shahri | as I said, removing libgl1-mesa-glx will remove xorg etc. |
| 20:27.19 | enouf | roue: udevinfo -q all -n /dev/cdrom1 .. will show all S: lines for symlinks and toss you the /sys /block/sXX name |
| 20:27.27 | shahri | so I stopped it |
| 20:27.28 | roue | I think I found it. |
| 20:27.50 | wols | shahri: I meant reinstalling nvidia-glx packages |
| 20:27.58 | wols | the ones you compiled yourself |
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| 20:28.22 | shahri | hm so just dpkg -i <deb file name>? |
| 20:28.49 | wols | yes |
| 20:28.51 | shahri | kk |
| 20:29.30 | jthomas | I need to install a newer HPLIP on a mostly-Etch system, but it does have some from Lenny (not sure what). Would I be better off using the HPLIP installer and letting it upgrade my gcc and libc and other scary stuff? or better to install HPLIP from Lenny and have it upgrade my cups and other less-scary but very-needed packages? I am afraid the Lenny HPLIP may not have the driver that I need but not sure. |
| 20:30.13 | eximium | mozemo za vikend do medvednice |
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| 20:30.31 | eximium | oops :) |
| 20:30.37 | shahri | mh done |
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| 20:32.19 | shahri | doesn't seem to work |
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| 20:33.42 | orgthingy | bak baak |
| 20:33.57 | cr3rzemjest | can i install jackaudio if i have alsa installed? |
| 20:34.06 | screamingbytes | wols: fantastic idea, i didn't think of that, ty |
| 20:34.15 | stew | cr3rzemjest: aptitude install jackd |
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| 20:34.35 | XKpe | hello |
| 20:34.59 | shahri | *sigh* |
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| 20:35.31 | wols | shahri: hm? |
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| 20:35.44 | shahri | don't know, doesn't seem to work |
| 20:35.56 | shahri | glxinfo says Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 20:35.59 | shahri | etc. |
| 20:36.40 | XKpe | i'm creating a project and i want it to be available to some of the users in my system, i want them to be able to read and write there, for this i created a user for the probject and then added the users i wanted to the group created when i created that user |
| 20:36.46 | XKpe | is this a good approach? |
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| 20:37.14 | wols | XKpe: set up an account for each project member and do a svn/cvs repo |
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| 20:37.59 | shahri | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=434038 maybe I should try this |
| 20:38.07 | XKpe | each member already has an account |
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| 20:38.46 | XKpe | but i have to add those members to the same group right? |
| 20:38.50 | the-wes | how can I find the location that a package was installed to by apt-get? I found "apt-cache show" but that only gives me info about the package to install (.deb). I need to know where it installed to |
| 20:39.29 | wols | shahri: is that your error? in glxinfo? |
| 20:39.30 | patterson | -help |
| 20:39.40 | wols | XKpe: not with vcs/svn |
| 20:39.43 | wols | *cvs |
| 20:39.44 | patterson | i'm guessing -i |
| 20:39.52 | shahri | yup, the stuff with extension GLX missing on display |
| 20:39.59 | wols | the-wes: dpkg -L <package> |
| 20:40.42 | XKpe | wols, how would i controll the access to the project, there are more users that i dont want them to access the project |
| 20:40.56 | wols | shahri: locate libGL.so |
| 20:41.07 | wols | XKpe: that's part of cvs/svn |
| 20:41.22 | wols | shahri: should show several files |
| 20:41.26 | aoupi | after first reboot with a 4.0r4a install disc(using LUKS) I don't get that set-up stuff I've gotten before after first reboot (like adding normal user and setting up hostname) should I just do this manualy, if so what "must" I configure? |
| 20:41.31 | shahri | 3 |
| 20:41.35 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/d4d5aba7 those |
| 20:41.42 | patterson | i'm going back to stasis. i learned something new -L |
| 20:42.30 | aoupi | has base-config been deprecated? |
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| 20:43.03 | wols | shahri: fucking mesa still! |
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| 20:43.20 | wols | shahri: http://packages.debian.org/sid/i386/nvidia-glx/filelist as you can see there there should be one with your nvidia version number |
| 20:43.39 | shahri | yes |
| 20:43.46 | wols | shahri: ls -al /usr/lib/libGL* (maybe updatedb didn't run) |
| 20:43.53 | jhaluska | When a cron job runs, where does it put the text output? |
| 20:44.08 | wols | jhaluska: it sends you a mail |
| 20:44.31 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/d18a8e03 |
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| 20:44.36 | jhaluska | wols: That's impressive, since I don't have mail set up |
| 20:44.46 | wols | jhaluska: then you have a broken debian |
| 20:44.59 | jhaluska | wols: Yeah, probably. How do I tell it not to email me? |
| 20:45.06 | shahri | some with my version number |
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| 20:45.09 | wols | shahri: ok, updatedb problem, so no biggie |
| 20:45.14 | jhaluska | I just want to make sure it's running first, then null the output |
| 20:45.17 | shahri | good |
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| 20:45.51 | wols | shahri: Xorg.0.log still has the error of can't load nvidia? |
| 20:45.52 | XKpe | wols, the members will be using svs+ssh |
| 20:46.06 | wols | XKpe: svs? |
| 20:46.13 | XKpe | svn* |
| 20:46.26 | wols | then they don't need to be in the same group. svn takes care of it all |
| 20:46.31 | shahri | mh no |
| 20:46.39 | wols | shahri: pastbein it then |
| 20:46.41 | shahri | but (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 20:47.05 | wols | shahri: you installed via dpkg -i the self compiled nvidia stuff again? |
| 20:47.11 | shahri | yup |
| 20:47.18 | wols | and still run the 2.6.24-696? |
| 20:47.24 | shahri | mh, should be 3 deb files, shouldn't it? |
| 20:47.33 | wols | yes. |
| 20:47.34 | shahri | yup, still 2.6.24-1-686 |
| 20:47.40 | wols | what files are installed. dpkg -l |grep nvidia |
| 20:48.14 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/d7aee42f4 |
| 20:48.44 | wols | where is this bpo module from? |
| 20:49.35 | shahri | bpo? |
| 20:49.44 | wols | "173.14.09-3+2.6.24-7~bpo40+1" |
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| 20:50.06 | shahri | ah hm |
| 20:50.09 | shahri | no idea actually |
| 20:50.16 | shahri | should I remove it? |
| 20:50.16 | wols | do you have bpo in sources.list? |
| 20:50.26 | wols | yes remove it and run m-a stuff again |
| 20:50.35 | shahri | ah hm, bpo = backports stuff? |
| 20:50.40 | wols | yes |
| 20:50.44 | shahri | yes I do |
| 20:50.53 | shahri | needed it to install flash iirc |
| 20:50.56 | wols | since you run lenny, this is BAD |
| 20:51.00 | shahri | mh okay |
| 20:51.13 | jelly-home | maybe his 2.6.24-1-686 kernel is versioned 2.6.24-7~bpo40 |
| 20:51.17 | wols | especially when it installs stuff unasked |
| 20:51.23 | shahri | mh kk |
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| 20:51.35 | wols | jelly-home: could be. |
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| 20:51.48 | wols | shahri: check dpkg -l |grep linux-image |
| 20:52.25 | shahri | http://pastebin.com/d540b7c91 |
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| 20:53.09 | shahri | so I should 1.) remove backports from sources.list 2.) remove the backports nvidia stuff package 3.) do the m-a stuff again ? |
| 20:53.36 | wols | shahri: I'd remove bpo from sources list |
| 20:53.43 | wols | rest can stay, I was wrong :( |
| 20:53.51 | shahri | mh ok |
| 20:54.06 | shahri | I have to go to bed now, I'll continue tomorrow |
| 20:54.11 | wols | bai |
| 20:54.15 | wols | sorry about the problems |
| 20:54.26 | shahri | thanks a lot for your help |
| 20:54.34 | shahri | there's nothing to be sorry about |
| 20:54.37 | shahri | and good night :) |
| 20:54.40 | aoupi | what command is run on first boot to bring up the post-install configuration? |
| 20:54.50 | wols | aoupi: post-install for what? |
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| 20:55.17 | aoupi | wols: debian 4.0r4a to be precise, you know the first reboot when you take out the cd |
| 20:55.40 | aoupi | wols: something went wrong and it didn't run |
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| 20:56.38 | wols | and what is the problem now? |
| 20:56.55 | aoupi | stuff like hostname hasn't been set, and I don't know what else might have been left unset |
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| 21:00.32 | stew | aoupi: there is no longer any post reboot installation needed |
| 21:00.39 | stew | aoupi: everything happens before the first reboot now |
| 21:00.44 | aoupi | stew: oh awesome :) |
| 21:00.50 | aoupi | thanks |
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| 21:02.16 | simNIX | when I try to start vitualbox I get: |
| 21:02.17 | simNIX | smb://BSD%3Bcor@moth01/shared/in-out/SAB/completed/VMWare_Workstation_v6_0_0_45731_Linux_nzb/VMWare.Workstation.v6.0.0.45731.Linux.Incl.Keymaker/vmware-distrib/bin |
| 21:02.17 | simNIX | smb://BSD%3Bcor@moth01/shared/in-out/SAB/completed/VMWare_Workstation_v6_0_0_45731_Linux_nzb/VMWare.Workstation.v6.0.0.45731.Linux.Incl.Keymaker/vmware-distrib/doc |
| 21:02.18 | simNIX | smb://BSD%3Bcor@moth01/shared/in-out/SAB/completed/VMWare_Workstation_v6_0_0_45731_Linux_nzb/VMWare.Workstation.v6.0.0.45731.Linux.Incl.Keymaker/vmware-distrib/etc |
| 21:02.18 | simNIX | smb://BSD%3Bcor@moth01/shared/in-out/SAB/completed/VMWare_Workstation_v6_0_0_45731_Linux_nzb/VMWare.Workstation.v6.0.0.45731.Linux.Incl.Keymaker/vmware-distrib/installer |
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| 21:03.07 | simNIX | bad paste |
| 21:03.11 | simNIX | sorry |
| 21:04.02 | simNIX | when I try to start virtualbox I get: |
| 21:04.05 | simNIX | The character device /dev/vboxdrv does not exist |
| 21:04.19 | simNIX | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:04.55 | cloakable | Then do so? |
| 21:04.57 | simNIX | in synaptic I cant find that - what repository should have it ? |
| 21:05.19 | cloakable | Can you find virtualbox-ose-modules-source? |
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| 21:05.38 | simNIX | yes |
| 21:05.59 | cloakable | Okay. Fist you'll want to install module-assistant. |
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| 21:06.09 | stew | and build-essential |
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| 21:07.40 | simNIX | ive added those |
| 21:08.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what is the best/simplest way to patch and recompile a kernel module that is part of the normal kernel (but doesn't have a m-a capable separate source package)? |
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| 21:09.14 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: get the kernel source, patch it, and build with make-kpkg |
| 21:09.15 | stew | simNIX: m-a a-i virtualbox-ose-modules |
| 21:09.44 | simNIX | I see in in /usr/src - extracting ... |
| 21:09.56 | stew | simNIX: you shouldn't have to extract anything |
| 21:10.44 | amphi | simNIX: if you d/l the patch to /usr/src, cd into the kernel src dir, and do 'patch -p1 < ../whatever.patch' |
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| 21:10.58 | amphi | simNIX: sorry, wrong person |
| 21:11.02 | simNIX | ok |
| 21:11.27 | liable | m-a does extract the source tarball |
| 21:11.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, you mean something like "apt-get install linux-source-2.6.26;cd /usr/src;tar -xvjf linux-source-2.6.26*bz;cd linux-source-2.6.26*/;patch -p0 -i ../somepatch.diff; make-kpgk"? |
| 21:11.55 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: it's probably worth using patch's --dry-run argument first, to see that the patch applies cleanly |
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| 21:12.11 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 21:12.23 | XKpe | wols, i was reading how i could do authenticatio, i found i have to change svnserve.conf for the repository and then create a password-db file, with users and passwords, is that right? |
| 21:12.30 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: well, make-kpkg [optional args] kernel_image |
| 21:12.53 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package has info on how to use make-kpkg |
| 21:13.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, I already did make a kernel-package using apt-get source <kernel> - but it was a pretty horrible way of doing it, as that makes all the different flavors, so the compile goes on for ages and the resulting directory had 2.5 GB... |
| 21:13.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | so now I'm curious how to do that lots better next time :) |
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| 21:13.42 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: make menuconfig and remove stuff you don't need |
| 21:14.32 | deriaN | Is it possible to set a limit on a ftp account on max download? |
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| 21:14.44 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: but all the 'bloat' is modules, so if you aren't short of disk space, I would just use the debian config, /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
| 21:14.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, the way you suggested - is it possible to make a kernel of the same version as the default Debian kernel and just install the modules? |
| 21:15.18 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: sure; you can just patch the debian src package |
| 21:15.27 | deriaN | Is it possible to set a limit on a ftp account on max download? |
| 21:15.38 | deriaN | oops double post. |
| 21:16.36 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: you perhaps want to change the extra-version, so it doesn't overwrite your existing kernel, in case yours doesn't boot ;) |
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| 21:18.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, I got other older kernels still... I wondered if I can keep the kernel and just install the modules - but it seems that the modules are now not in a separate package anymore, but part of the linux-image package? |
| 21:18.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | should be possible to use the new modules without a reboot... |
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| 21:20.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, as I said - I already got my patched modules - and everything - but it was a horrible way to do it - I'd like to write up a short minihowto for myself, because I'm sure the same task will come up in a year or so (or maybe next week, if soemthing's wrong with the modules) and then I will have forgotten all the things I found out are better to leave alone |
| 21:20.48 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: I have no idea what module[s] you're talking about; I build some modules out of the tree |
| 21:21.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | modules for my wireless at the laptop... |
| 21:21.19 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: can you not just build them out of the tree? |
| 21:21.38 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: ie. separately, and 'make install' and modprobe? |
| 21:21.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | I could, but I'm not sure where to get their source if not out of the tree |
| 21:22.16 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: what driver? |
| 21:22.38 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: so you have to patch an in-kernel driver? |
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| 21:25.32 | jthomas | someone please assist me!! I just updated cups from Debian Etch to Lenny and now it won't start; 'ps auwx |grep cups' is giving me some 'whiptail --backtitle Package configuration' something or other |
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| 21:26.19 | sysop2 | hi |
| 21:26.34 | sysop2 | anyone know of a pci-e gigabit ethernet supported by debian? |
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| 21:26.54 | liable | yes |
| 21:27.07 | jelly-home | sysop2: price range? |
| 21:27.09 | sysop2 | really what model/make |
| 21:27.37 | sysop2 | under $100 if possible. |
| 21:27.49 | jelly-home | what's in hp's servers works. :-) |
| 21:28.12 | liable | eeepc has gigabit ethernet |
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| 21:28.35 | sysop2 | it does? I have one and didnt know that. |
| 21:28.42 | liable | 901 |
| 21:28.56 | sysop2 | oh I have a 8gb 700 series |
| 21:29.34 | sysop2 | can you tell me which hp server has a pci-e gigibit card? |
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| 21:34.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | there were some in a compat-wireless tar.bz, but the one for my card was flawed and caused a kernel panic (sorry, boss came in to discuss something, therefore the delay) |
| 21:34.54 | jelly-home | sysop2: any of the recent proliants, but they use their own branded cards |
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| 21:35.25 | sysop2 | oh ok I found this http://wiki.debian.org/sky2 which seem to list some. |
| 21:35.32 | sysop2 | marvell seems to have a lot of them. |
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| 21:35.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, yes - I've patched the zd121rw and the iw2200 drivers (one internal wireless, the other one on an usb stick) |
| 21:35.44 | PiousMinion | Is there a problem with lenny non-free at ftp.us.debian.org? I'm getting Hash sum mismatch errors on apt-get update. |
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| 21:36.43 | alraune | how do I add a key/signature for a new source in sources,list ? |
| 21:36.43 | jelly-home | sysop2: eg. 0f:04.0 Ethernet controller: Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5706 Gigabit Ethernet (rev 02), or BCM5708-based. both are driven by bnx2 driver |
| 21:36.54 | rfrank | Hey, it's been a while since I've used Debian, does ATI still suck ass with drivers? |
| 21:37.02 | rfrank | ie, only driver available is fglrx for higher end cards |
| 21:37.23 | PiousMinion | rfrank: some would say so, but I have no issues with the opensource driver on my r300 based card. |
| 21:37.26 | alraune | rfrank: did you try ati itself ? |
| 21:37.49 | rfrank | PiousMinion: yes, but thats a much older card then, isn't it |
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| 21:38.19 | rfrank | like the newer cards that can actually outperform nvidia's.. hd4870 and etc |
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| 21:38.27 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: why did you need to patch ipw2200? |
| 21:38.28 | nixbox | hi all |
| 21:38.49 | PiousMinion | rfrank: I thought it was pretty new. lol I guess I'm no help. |
| 21:38.51 | rfrank | I don't want to buy an ati hd4870 unless I can NOT use fglrx |
| 21:38.55 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: in any case, if they're the in-kernel drivers, you get to rebuild the kernel |
| 21:39.12 | rfrank | PiousMinion: well whats the model name thing |
| 21:39.14 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: not a big deal, unless your machine is very slow |
| 21:39.17 | PiousMinion | rfrank: I'm sure there's some driver table out there found by google. |
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| 21:39.42 | PiousMinion | rfrank: It's a Radeon 9550 |
| 21:39.52 | nixbox | i am using no-ip linux script for automatically updating the ip address in my dynamic dns no-ip account, the problem is that my linux box has a private IP address and the no-ip script uses that private ip address |
| 21:40.05 | PiousMinion | rv350 based. :P |
| 21:40.14 | nixbox | is there any other tool which can determine my public ip address and update my no-ip account accordingly? |
| 21:40.44 | rfrank | alraune: actually on the ati driver page, if you select linux, radeon hd 4xxx isn't even there. it only goes up to radeon hd 3xxx hahah |
| 21:40.46 | PiousMinion | nixbox: it shouldn't do that. I use the noip app and it finds my external ip fine. Are you firewalling it? |
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| 21:41.17 | nixbox | PiousMinion, i am not firewalling it, its DMZ |
| 21:41.46 | rfrank | nixbox: why not write one to grab it from whatismyip.com or something |
| 21:41.50 | nixbox | PiousMinion, its ok, it updated correctly, i guess it needed sometime :) |
| 21:42.01 | PiousMinion | nixbox: :) |
| 21:42.03 | alraune | rfrank:got your model too late|though this my be an "evil (lol) thought, is maybe envy a chance to try ? |
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| 21:43.06 | Sia0-0 | read only is 775 or 744? |
| 21:43.12 | PiousMinion | rfrank: It's a trade off. Either poor driver support (ATI) OR exploit ridden drivers (NV). |
| 21:43.24 | alraune | above question is solved, found the (r)tfm |
| 21:43.28 | rfrank | alraune: well I haven't bought yet, I'm just curious because I am trying to choose between nVidia and ATI |
| 21:43.37 | rfrank | ;P |
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| 21:44.01 | screamingbytes | Is there an official Deb live cd? |
| 21:44.13 | alraune | rfrank:wise guy, so check nvidias site, too... |
| 21:44.13 | screamingbytes | I can not find one under the "Getting Debian" links |
| 21:44.42 | PiousMinion | screamingbytes: seperate project --> http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 21:46.42 | alraune | does debian has an update/grade notification-tool ? |
| 21:47.12 | Lagbolt | alraune, like update-notifier? |
| 21:47.40 | Lagbolt | alraune, apt-cache show update-notifier |
| 21:47.56 | screamingbytes | gracial PiousMinion |
| 21:49.30 | Lagbolt | !live |
| 21:49.30 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, live is The Debian Live project provides prebuilt Debian live system images and allows to create your own. http://debian-live.alioth.debian.org/ and #debian-live on oftc.net (irc.debian.org), or http://live.debian.net/live-webhelper/ |
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| 21:49.59 | mattt | guys, not a debian problem necessarily, but i have a debian xen domU running on a centos dom0 and it boots but then tells me to give the root pwd for maintenance ... if i ctrl-d it just boots normally? |
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| 21:50.40 | alraune | Lagbolt:that does the job |
| 21:52.17 | PiousMinion | mattt: did it not report an error prior to that telling you why it's going to maintainence mode? IS it defaulting to the "single user" boot option? |
| 21:52.22 | alraune | I'm still trying to get pidgin installed, but though no the backports are integrated with no errors, it' s alwaysbroken packages or unsolved dependencies and... |
| 21:53.10 | alraune | using Gaim I can put up an account but join chat is greyed out, so no connection possible |
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| 21:56.21 | mattt | PiousMinion: kick me now ... i had copied the single user boot option from menu.lst :P |
| 21:56.41 | PiousMinion | hehe |
| 21:56.46 | PiousMinion | It happens. |
| 21:57.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, ok, then I will keep in mind that a kernel-rebuild is unavoidable. Do you by chance know the options to build a kernel of exact the same version as the debian one? Is that possible at all with the kernel-source package, or is it something that this package cannot do, because the maintainer wants you to have a separate version number |
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| 21:57.45 | mattt | PiousMinion: thanks for the tip ... i could have been here all night :) |
| 21:58.01 | PiousMinion | hehe, no problem man |
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| 21:58.29 | Virca979 | hi |
| 21:58.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, I mean - if you already run the kernel and you'd make an identical one yourself with differences in the modules only, you could overwrite the files and mount the modules without a reboot |
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| 21:59.26 | Virca979 | hi |
| 22:00.03 | Capn_Fish | Does anybody know if/where a flag is set to tell the system a filesystem needs checking? I have Debian installed on an SD card running on my Nokia N810, and when it boots, it claims the filesystem is dirty even when I've fscked it multiple times on two differect systems (with the -f flag). Thanks. |
| 22:00.08 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 22:00.15 | Virca979 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.47 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: nice to have a spare, just in case you, for example, forget to give makekpkg the --initrd arg when you need to |
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| 22:02.03 | Virca979 | yas |
| 22:02.56 | Virca979 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:03.23 | Fiskah | In what package is apache benchmark (ab) located? |
| 22:03.28 | Virca979 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.45 | Capn_Fish | Fiskah: Look here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 22:04.24 | Fiskah | Thanks :) |
| 22:04.28 | Capn_Fish | np |
| 22:04.36 | Virca979 | what icq? |
| 22:04.41 | wols | Fiskah: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:05.09 | wols | !tell Capn_Fish about forcefsck |
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| 22:05.43 | wols | Capn_Fish: touch /forcefsck |
| 22:06.10 | Capn_Fish | wols: What about doing the opposite, eg forcing it to NOT think the FS needs checking? |
| 22:06.29 | Virca979 | hi,is anybody here know icq? |
| 22:06.37 | wols | it will automatically if it'S unclean |
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| 22:06.56 | wols | might be able to reset it with e2fs* |
| 22:07.05 | Capn_Fish | Hmm...OK |
| 22:07.17 | wols | !tel Virca979 about anyone |
| 22:07.23 | wols | !tell Virca979 about anyone |
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| 22:11.00 | PiousMinion | If I have 2 ethernet cards listed in lspci... shouldn't ifconfig report 2? |
| 22:11.34 | jelly-home | PiousMinion: only if linux has drivers for both and they're loaded |
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| 22:12.57 | Virca979 | ok |
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| 22:15.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, so is it possible to make a kernel with the exact version of the Debian one? And if yes, what options do that (I remember trying to do that a year or so ago in vain) |
| 22:16.55 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: just cp /boot/config-$(uname -r) to /usr/src/$LINUX_VERSION/.config |
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| 22:17.30 | amphi | I don't recall if the src dir has the same name as uname -r, as I run vanilla kernels here |
| 22:17.57 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: make-kpkg --help, --targets, you'll likely need to modify the debian/control or something |
| 22:18.20 | amphi | evening, enouf |
| 22:18.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, and that is also responsible for the package version string? I thought that just contains the config (which should already be the one the default debian kernel has) |
| 22:18.50 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: you can set extraversion in the Makefile in the top level src dir, if you want |
| 22:18.51 | enouf | amphi: ;-) |
| 22:19.16 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: see /msg dpkg kp mantra , not the versions strings |
| 22:19.20 | enouf | note* |
| 22:19.28 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: you need to use --initrd with make-kpkg if you build debian's config; failure to do so will lead to delay and disappointment ;) |
| 22:19.30 | Lagbolt | ooo kernel compiling |
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| 22:19.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, ah, nice - so you can make a separate modules package, at least according to my make-kpkg - I had the impression these were dropped and everytihing is in kernel-image now |
| 22:19.57 | enouf | concurs with amphi , if not using vanilla sources |
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| 22:20.11 | enouf | sure .. |
| 22:20.14 | Lagbolt | curious. . . why do most people seem to recommend cp /boot/config with uname -r . . why not use make oldconfig |
| 22:20.31 | enouf | Lagbolt: you do so after copying over the config |
| 22:20.39 | enouf | Lagbolt: you need a .config to start with |
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| 22:20.48 | Lagbolt | enouf, i do it with no .config and it works just fine |
| 22:20.55 | Lagbolt | builds a new one using the current one |
| 22:21.10 | enouf | well, that sucks - it's getting the config from somewere |
| 22:21.12 | enouf | where |
| 22:21.18 | Lagbolt | true |
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| 22:21.42 | amphi | eventually got around to making a proper config |
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| 22:22.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | but wouldn't a modules package conflict with the linux-image package, because they contain the same files (i.e. the modules) |
| 22:22.09 | enouf | i build on a seperate disk and such . .so no idea whatever the defaults are |
| 22:22.35 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:22.46 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: not if they were all made with make-kpkg |
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| 22:23.01 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: and using the same exact source + patches |
| 22:23.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, I wondered if it's possible to just patch modules (modules that are part of the kernel tree and not in separate packages) and keep using the normal debian kernel |
| 22:23.37 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: oh .. i think i misunderstand your question |
| 22:23.49 | Intensity | The etch installer is in its gathering entropy phase by asking me to spend 15 minutes typing noise. I'd like to speed up the process, say by doing a 'cat random_data >/dev/random'. However, that doesn't seem to lessen the time I need. I'm frustrated at the process. Is there any way around it? |
| 22:23.51 | Nyle | hey |
| 22:23.55 | Nyle | I need a debian server |
| 22:23.59 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: the modules_image target is for modules whose src is in /usr/src/modules |
| 22:24.03 | Nyle | should I get a poweredge or hp or should I build one |
| 22:24.04 | screamingbytes | Nyle:!!! |
| 22:24.06 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: that's highly dependent on many factors is my take |
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| 22:24.13 | Nyle | it doesn' need to be THAT great of a server |
| 22:24.19 | enouf | Nyle: build! |
| 22:24.20 | Nyle | mostly its going to be a file/ftp server |
| 22:24.23 | Nyle | I thought as much |
| 22:24.27 | Nyle | dell hp is too much money |
| 22:24.32 | Nyle | I have a 5k budget |
| 22:24.42 | enouf | well, when you build, you know what you're getting |
| 22:24.44 | screamingbytes | Nyle: buy one from ebay |
| 22:24.47 | amphi | !ftpmustdie |
| 22:24.48 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 22:24.48 | Nyle | (oh and data backup) |
| 22:24.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, oh, you mean the modules_image is for modules outside the kernel tree? |
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| 22:24.57 | Nyle | amphi, sftp |
| 22:24.59 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: yes |
| 22:25.00 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:25.02 | Nyle | amphi, pin |
| 22:25.03 | Nyle | asshole! |
| 22:25.08 | Nyle | :) |
| 22:25.14 | amphi | pon |
| 22:25.20 | amphi | twunt |
| 22:25.22 | screamingbytes | Nyle: i have 8 from my business im not using anymore, but not one of them was over 800, and all could handle 4k customers a day |
| 22:25.22 | Nyle | haha |
| 22:25.26 | Nyle | I was waiting for that |
| 22:25.30 | Nyle | screamingbytes, you from #music? |
| 22:25.40 | screamingbytes | Nyle: no u made me join one night |
| 22:25.50 | Nyle | ahh, oh hey i remember you now, how are you man :) |
| 22:25.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | ok, guess I'm still kind of confused about how to do this the best ways - but you've helped me eliminate some ways how it cannot be done :) |
| 22:25.54 | screamingbytes | Nyle: im from here, we shared our stuff in music one night |
| 22:25.57 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: iirc, same for the _headers, it's so one can export/distribute them as such only .. when you want to make a separate pkg |
| 22:26.02 | Nyle | aha |
| 22:26.11 | Nyle | enouf, need tape backup |
| 22:26.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, enouf thanks ;) |
| 22:26.14 | Lagbolt | oof, dell servers look so expensive |
| 22:26.18 | Nyle | enouf, probably a 1.5tb array |
| 22:26.21 | enouf | Nyle: duct tape? |
| 22:26.23 | Nyle | enouf, quad core |
| 22:26.24 | enouf | hides |
| 22:26.25 | screamingbytes | Nyle: why tape backup? |
| 22:26.26 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: you're welcome |
| 22:26.32 | Nyle | what else should I use? |
| 22:26.41 | Nyle | i need a file/backup/sftp server |
| 22:26.41 | enouf | HDDs |
| 22:26.42 | screamingbytes | Nyle: cd backup |
| 22:26.49 | screamingbytes | Nyle: hdd backup |
| 22:26.51 | Nyle | not really sure.. screamingbytes stfu :) cdbackup is horrible idea |
| 22:26.56 | enouf | haha |
| 22:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, careful - I might read some more and maybe come back ;) |
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| 22:27.06 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: no worries |
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| 22:27.19 | screamingbytes | Nyle: stfu it workds |
| 22:27.28 | enouf | ;-) |
| 22:27.31 | screamingbytes | Nyle: a tar file no matter where it is is a tape backup |
| 22:27.32 | amphi | Nyle: unless you get one of those worm jukeboxes ;) |
| 22:27.40 | screamingbytes | Nyle: I <3 u lol |
| 22:27.40 | enouf | it can/might work .. a bit .. |
| 22:27.46 | amphi | Nyle: with plan9/fossil/venti ;) |
| 22:27.53 | enouf | heh |
| 22:27.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, you mean she'll be right? |
| 22:28.09 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: eh? |
| 22:28.11 | screamingbytes | Nyle: tape backups are too expensive for me, its always been Hdd backup, then cd/dvd backup |
| 22:29.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q="no+worries"+she'll+be+right&btnG=Search |
| 22:29.42 | opensrcguru | Nyle: ive got two ADIC scalar 1000's i'd be willing to part cheap....tapes incldued;) |
| 22:30.53 | opensrcguru | Nyle: hell, i'll even throw in the server (2 x compaq dl580's) to run them ;) |
| 22:31.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | amphi, I think you could say "she'll be right" is another way of saying no worries, mate |
| 22:31.56 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: ah ;) |
| 22:34.08 | [TWR] | Ā/m dpk etch->lenny |
| 22:34.17 | [TWR] | doh! |
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| 22:34.39 | Nyle | I see |
| 22:34.52 | Nyle | management wants TAPE |
| 22:35.04 | Nyle | we actually only need like 1 tape about 140gb |
| 22:35.10 | Nyle | or two tapes of 70gb |
| 22:35.48 | Nyle | fileserver side of is going to need at least a 1.5tb array, thinking scsi but thas gonna run high, think sata, and its ehh... |
| 22:35.49 | enouf | Nyle: remember, even all the other issues with tape (stretching, detoritation, tensioning, rewind, etc etc) you would always need to scroll to the area you need - HDDs don't need that ;-) |
| 22:35.54 | Nyle | not sure if I should raid em or what |
| 22:36.01 | cire | Hi. I am wondering what the differences between dri, dri2, drm, exa are. Are there good ressources explaining a beginner what these words are standing for? |
| 22:36.04 | Nyle | uhuh |
| 22:36.11 | Nyle | management wants 1 weekly backup |
| 22:36.19 | Nyle | differential after the initial backup |
| 22:36.31 | Nyle | they are stuck on tape |
| 22:36.34 | enouf | cire: i think wiki.x.org might explain them well |
| 22:36.49 | cire | thank you enouf, I'll have a look there |
| 22:37.09 | jelly-home | Nyle: budget? |
| 22:37.20 | Nyle | 5k to 7k |
| 22:37.32 | Nyle | he wants a dell, but im trying to talk him into letting me build it |
| 22:37.43 | Nyle | that way i can customize it the way i need and not pay brand name premiums |
| 22:38.31 | jelly-home | lto2 and 3 tapes are cheap; native 200GB or 400GB respectively. Tape _drives_ are far from cheap tho |
| 22:38.49 | enouf | cire: maybe start with http://wiki.x.org/wiki/ExaStatus .. though not much there, a start .. the URL link explains a bit about that anyway |
| 22:39.20 | cire | enouf: ok |
| 22:39.40 | jelly-home | Nyle: and a full backup of 1.5TB will definitely span multiple media. Do they have apes to change tapes? |
| 22:39.58 | enouf | http://wiki.x.org/wiki/DRI2 for ex |
| 22:40.02 | enouf | cire: ^^^ |
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| 22:40.28 | cire | yeah, I am just reading there ;) |
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| 22:42.39 | James_Bennet | hey whats the minimum specs for an install without X? |
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| 22:43.43 | rahul | James_Bennet: worked for me on a 150MHz box with 32 MB RAM and 512MB disk |
| 22:43.48 | rahul | James_Bennet: but that was potato |
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| 22:44.20 | rahul | you probably want 500MHz and 128MB RAM these days |
| 22:45.15 | James_Bennet | yeah i saw that most of the lightweight dists like DSL are based on potato etc... umm well its a compaq server its got 4x 233mhz pentium IIs and 64m ram - its upgradable to a gig but its expensive stuff, you know |
| 22:45.26 | James_Bennet | do i need a different kernel or something, to take advantage of the SMP? |
| 22:46.05 | rahul | you need an SMP-enabled kernel for SMP |
| 22:46.08 | James_Bennet | (yeah i know the specs are crap but its free lol i saved it from the dumpster) and i just want a command line system for running samba |
| 22:46.09 | James_Bennet | k |
| 22:46.10 | rahul | but you don't need that during install |
| 22:46.27 | James_Bennet | k |
| 22:46.49 | rahul | you'll probbaly be ok... aptitude might be a bit slow, but that's what the water cooler is for :P |
| 22:47.00 | James_Bennet | i never use aptitude lol just apt-get |
| 22:47.09 | rahul | lawl |
| 22:47.19 | rahul | that's not very smart. lawl. |
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| 22:47.53 | James_Bennet | im gonna go ahead and try to install it now. Gonna use the small netinstall cd but only select base system , then use apt-get to install mc (i love that tool) and samba |
| 22:48.03 | James_Bennet | so the SMP kernel right? |
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| 22:52.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, now would be not a bad time to update to lenny? |
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| 22:53.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | dpkg sais everything is frozen |
| 22:53.21 | dpkg | CutMeOwnThroat: okay |
| 22:53.23 | amphi | CutMeOwnThroat: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/other/testing.html |
| 22:53.41 | simonrvn | !forget sais everything |
| 22:53.42 | dpkg | simonrvn: i forgot sais everything |
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| 22:53.56 | magyar | hi, aptitude is crashing with "Ouch! Got SIGSEGV, dying..Segmentation fault" |
| 22:54.12 | streuner | CutMeOwnThroat: don't use dpkg in front of any sentence here, thanks. |
| 22:54.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | simonrvn, thanks :) |
| 22:54.12 | orzo | hello |
| 22:54.24 | simonrvn | np |
| 22:54.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | streuner, I know... but sometimes forget |
| 22:54.33 | simonrvn | oh, and it's "says" |
| 22:54.51 | orzo | I have udev questions. If i change my udev rules, how do i have udev clean up the /dev directory and remake all the nodes? |
| 22:54.57 | simonrvn | "sais" looks like the french word for "know" |
| 22:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | heehe |
| 22:55.38 | simonrvn | :) |
| 22:55.39 | streuner | orzo: try /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 22:56.10 | simonrvn | sid's udevtrigger is gone now :/ |
| 22:56.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, thanks again - guess I've been writing that for some time and nobody ever corrected me - the curse of the non-native speaker - you just don't notice things that would look horribly long in your native language |
| 22:56.23 | orzo | i'm trying to rename my network devices |
| 22:56.26 | orzo | things arent working |
| 22:56.32 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 22:56.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 22:56.34 | streuner | simonrvn: gave me plenty of headaches lately ;-) |
| 22:56.37 | simonrvn | !z25 |
| 22:56.37 | dpkg | As of version 0.090, udev has the ability to statically rename ethernet cards based on MAC address. The addresses are configured in /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules . If you want the mappings to change, edit that file. See <forcedeth mac>. As of version 0.124-1 the file is called /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules . |
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| 22:56.51 | simonrvn | that maybe? :) ^^^ |
| 22:57.07 | orzo | somebody told me i was supposed to have persistent-net.rules and i did not and i ended up creating my own z25_persistent-net.rules by hand |
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| 22:57.28 | CdK1 | ji * |
| 22:57.46 | orzo | in any case, i'm doing something wrong, becuase it is calling what i want to be eth0 to be eth1 |
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| 22:58.30 | CdK1 | someone has a kernel 2.6.26 using fbsplash? |
| 22:58.33 | simonrvn | orzo: look at the z25 factoid i made the bot spew into the channel |
| 22:59.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | just looking at another bug that has annoyed me for some time - perhaps time to figure a solution before lenny becomes stable: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426038 - it seems that one of the Debian patches to xemacs does that, as some Ubuntu guy reports it works fine when xemacs is compiled from the original .tgz - and also seems not to be flyspell.el |
| 22:59.27 | orzo | simonrvn: i had neither file |
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| 22:59.41 | orzo | i have 0.117 udev |
| 23:00.12 | orzo | when i go to upgrade it warns me about bugs, so i thought i should stick with what is installed |
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| 23:00.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403425, respectively |
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| 23:03.02 | minoru | did the debian openssl bug (the one which reduced prng entropy to 2^32) affect https connections from firefox? |
| 23:03.23 | minoru | or iceweasel |
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| 23:04.58 | jelly-home | minoru: does the wiki page not mention this issue? |
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| 23:06.01 | simonrvn | orzo: could try reinstalling it with --force-confmiss (/msg dpkg confmiss) |
| 23:06.04 | minoru | http://wiki.debian.org/SSLkeys this one? no, no mention of firefox |
| 23:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, what ssl keys would firefox generate - or be generated for firefox? |
| 23:07.11 | minoru | I don't know, thats why I'm asking. |
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| 23:07.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, I cannot think of any... so I would say "not affected" |
| 23:08.01 | minoru | what type of encryption does firefox use for https? |
| 23:08.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, the only key firefox uses is for storing passwords... |
| 23:08.35 | jawnsy | BLART! |
| 23:08.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, this is the weak-keys vulnerability you speak of, right? |
| 23:08.38 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: do you know how an ssl connection works? |
| 23:08.44 | minoru | CutMeOwnThroat, yes |
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| 23:09.18 | jelly-home | weak keys were just a consequence |
| 23:09.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, so firefox would need to generate a key-pair for it to work |
| 23:10.00 | jelly-home | doesn't know enough about ssl to state even "probably not affected" |
| 23:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, up to a point - I'm sure I couldn't write an ssl-server/client pair from scratch |
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| 23:10.53 | orzo | thanks, simonrvn |
| 23:11.31 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: not that bit, the connection establishment, the protocol, and where the prng is used in openssl and firefox |
| 23:11.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, how do you know then, that "weak keys were just a consequence"? As far as I understood that, weak keys were the problem - so not the client/server implementation was faulty, but the entropy during key generation was not "random enough" |
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| 23:12.23 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: that's only _one_ result of what the limited prng did. |
| 23:12.58 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: and I have no idea of what other transient keys are used in an ssl connection |
| 23:13.05 | jelly-home | do you? |
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| 23:14.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | what "transient keys"? |
| 23:15.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think there should be any |
| 23:15.18 | jelly-home | I don't know. |
| 23:15.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | wouldn't it kind of defy the whole thing to have "transient keys"? |
| 23:15.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | as well as create a lot of overload etc. |
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| 23:15.55 | jelly-home | How does ssl work? I vaguely remember ssh having session keys. |
| 23:16.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think it's coincidence, that apache2 is listed under "applications that are known to use these keys" and firefox is not |
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| 23:16.32 | mlLK | where do you guys generally compile stuff ? |
| 23:16.39 | mlLK | to cooperate w/ apt |
| 23:16.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | so how would it matter if session keys were compromized? The sessions are over, so gone is gone |
| 23:17.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, don't understand what you mean |
| 23:17.05 | mlLK | cuz /usr/local seems out of date given apt |
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| 23:17.22 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, aptitude reports broken dependencies |
| 23:17.31 | lfamorim | How to drop user in specific time |
| 23:17.32 | lfamorim | ? |
| 23:17.54 | amphi | mlLK: stuff I build from src I install under /usr/local |
| 23:17.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, what type of compile are you talking about - compiling your own debian packages? |
| 23:18.05 | mlLK | like say i compile apache |
| 23:18.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, or custom non-package installs? |
| 23:18.28 | mlLK | and i want to install addons or libs w/ aptitude |
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| 23:19.00 | mlLK | aptitude reports the addons as non-functional since it can't see my compiled version of apache |
| 23:19.49 | mlLK | should i just apt apache-src, maybe? |
| 23:20.03 | mlLK | and compile it there? |
| 23:20.37 | mlLK | i know in terms of linux it doesn't matter where the program is, but it does w/ apt, i think. |
| 23:21.27 | wols | mlLK: right. compile a debian package from debian sources |
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| 23:21.33 | wols | apt-get source apache2.2 or such |
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| 23:21.49 | mlLK | source is a valid option? |
| 23:21.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, perhaps you should read the entry for apache on that wiki - these would be the keys firefox uses during an ssl connection. The only other place firefox uses encryption that I know of are the passwords - and for those I do not know how they are encrypted, but I doubt that it's SSL, because that's normally used for streams, not for files. |
| 23:21.55 | wols | yes |
| 23:22.01 | wols | !tell mlLK about apt howto |
| 23:22.09 | kencausey | Does Daniel Baumann hang our here? |
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| 23:22.18 | wols | if you have configured the appropriate deb-src in sources.list |
| 23:22.53 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: 1) sniff and record Ann <-> Bob ssl session 2) wait 3) decode when debian has an ssl bug, or quantum computers and cheap |
| 23:22.55 | mlLK | wols, k thx wols |
| 23:23.00 | jelly-home | s/and/are/ |
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| 23:23.35 | minoru | CutMeOwnThroat, so if someone sniffed traffic between anyone and a debian server in the past two years, that traffic can be decrypted? |
| 23:23.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, building a package is to be preferred if possible, I'd say - if not putting non-package things in /usr/local should be ok |
| 23:23.49 | orgthingy | http://www.bluecirclet.com/index.php/blog/2008/08/angry-bt-customer-bt-is-an-isp-in-uk :D |
| 23:23.53 | jelly-home | minoru: if the server used a faulty key, assume "yes" |
| 23:24.09 | minoru | jelly-home, thats just great... |
| 23:24.10 | jelly-home | no, don't assume, I think that's it. |
| 23:24.16 | jelly-home | minoru: eee-yup |
| 23:24.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, maybe - if the apache key was made in that time and was non-random, that is what I would think... |
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| 23:24.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, and probably in future also, if the maintainer of the server didn't fix the key |
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| 23:25.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, but it's not a problem of firefox, but of the key that the apache server uses |
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| 23:25.37 | minoru | so I (and all other people) have to go back and see if any credit card transactions were made with a debian/debian based server. |
| 23:26.04 | mlLK | mlLK, ya thats what i kinda thought, you mean as far as stand-alone applications? |
| 23:26.04 | minoru | CutMeOwnThroat, so the problem is a whole lot worse than I suspected and affects a whole lot more people |
| 23:26.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, no, with a weak key - there are probably 1000sands of non-compromized debian servers, whose keys are much older |
| 23:26.14 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, , ya thats what i kinda thought, you mean as far as stand-alone applications? |
| 23:26.34 | minoru | CutMeOwnThroat, oh yea, the keys may have been older... |
| 23:26.37 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, like stuff i might i download |
| 23:26.45 | minoru | ok, that's a little bit more reassuring |
| 23:26.47 | jelly-home | minoru: if you had made your own line (well, tcp)-level recordings of those sessions, you could verify whether the keys used were vulnerable |
| 23:27.31 | minoru | jelly-home, unfortunately I don't record all of my tcp traffic |
| 23:27.38 | jelly-home | :-) |
| 23:27.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, also check out "checkinstall" - it often didn't work so well for me, but it's kind of a quick and dirty way to mold custom installs into a package |
| 23:27.51 | jelly-home | good thing we didn't upgrade our web servers from sarge! |
| 23:27.53 | minoru | although I know people that do. |
| 23:28.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, and when it works, it's great - if not, you can still go to /usr/local |
| 23:28.32 | minoru | good thing my company's IT guy chose BSD |
| 23:28.32 | jelly-home | and even when we did, we were lucky to have generated customer's CSRs on a sarge machine |
| 23:29.06 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, it just sort of irritates me that aptitude says that i have a few broken apache dependencies when they're not even installed |
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| 23:29.40 | PeterFA | Is there a way to install all the fonts in the Lenny repositories? |
| 23:29.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, but I see your point now... it would be rather reassuring, if firefox would check the server keys for vulnerabilities..... |
| 23:29.59 | PeterFA | apt-get install [regex] ? |
| 23:30.47 | PeterFA | because apt-cache search font kind of produces lots and lots of matches, and some of them aren't font packages. |
| 23:30.48 | minoru | CutMeOwnThroat, do keys have the operating system of the machine that generated it? |
| 23:31.51 | jelly-home | minoru: no, but there's a database of known weak keys (there's only a small number of them, something less than 2**16) |
| 23:31.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, they're certificates for https... hm, check out a certificate - but I don't think so |
| 23:32.36 | jelly-home | minoru: apt-cache search openssl-blacklist |
| 23:32.55 | PeterFA | Or is there a meta package to pull a bunch of fonts in? |
| 23:33.12 | PeterFA | Like I just want to install all English fonts for X and other apps. |
| 23:33.15 | jelly-home | minoru: I guess one could make a ff extension to check the remote side key |
| 23:33.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, I don't see that in the certificate for one freemailer I use |
| 23:34.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.security/browse_thread/thread/b2cda44a0e6c4d5c |
| 23:34.14 | PeterFA | Or do I have to install all the fonts the hard way. |
| 23:34.17 | simonrvn | PeterFA: apt-cache search xfonts |
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| 23:34.29 | minoru | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks for the link |
| 23:34.39 | martijn81 | PeterFA: dunno about fonts inside apt, but i can send you three nive fonts if you want |
| 23:34.54 | PeterFA | martijn81, sure. |
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| 23:35.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | doh! |
| 23:35.08 | PeterFA | martijn81, double awesome if one is Impact. |
| 23:35.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, seems you were right - there are the firefox root CAs... |
| 23:35.26 | simonrvn | PeterFA: msttcorefonts package |
| 23:35.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, thanks for making me search for it :) |
| 23:35.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, I don't enjoy learning I had some wooly thinking, but.... |
| 23:36.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, but I'm not sure what vulnerable CA keys would mean... |
| 23:37.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 23:37.30 | PeterFA | simonrvn, apt says that it's not in the repository but referred to by another package. |
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| 23:37.57 | PeterFA | simonrvn, and apt-cache search corefonts returns nothing. |
| 23:38.00 | simonrvn | PeterFA: yes, and install that other one then |
| 23:38.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | would those enable you to make certificates with which you can do man-in-the-middle attacks, because you can re-make a valid certificate? |
| 23:38.16 | PeterFA | simonrvn, how do I know what package is referring to it? |
| 23:38.20 | simonrvn | duh me, you need non-free in sources.list |
| 23:38.30 | PeterFA | simonrvn, oh. |
| 23:38.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | ... only for your 66.33.22.123 evil-cracker.biz server instead of chase.com? |
| 23:38.32 | PeterFA | :P |
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| 23:39.17 | PeterFA | deb http://www.debian-nonfree.org/debian lenny main <-- like that?// |
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| 23:39.28 | simonrvn | PeterFA: i automatically add that, so i forget others might not have contrib and non-free |
| 23:39.40 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:39.44 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 23:39.44 | dpkg | i heard non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 23:40.01 | jelly-home | !non-free sources |
| 23:40.01 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. This may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 23:40.43 | simonrvn | !non-free sources =~ s,This,These, |
| 23:40.43 | dpkg | OK, simonrvn |
| 23:41.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, hm, I can't find any root certificates in firefox... perhaps my understanding of how this works is really too incomplete |
| 23:41.15 | jelly-home | PeterFA: like that... replace "main" with "main contrib non-free", keeping the rest of a debian mirror deb ... line intact |
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| 23:41.29 | PeterFA | ok |
| 23:41.34 | minoru | cutme: you and me both. |
| 23:41.40 | slackd00d | in fedora when i use gnome-terminal in e17 the transparent background works and shows the gnome background. how can i achive this in debian? is there a gconf setting? |
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| 23:42.52 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: they're built in. And your link mentions no vulnerable CA keys, but vulnerable keys signed by CAs trusted by firefox |
| 23:43.25 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: at least some CAs have offered free replacements since that thread |
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| 23:44.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, yes - but I think vulnerable CAs could be even more devastating... |
| 23:44.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | minoru, jelly-home: http://codefromthe70s.org/sslblacklist.asp is probably what one wants? |
| 23:44.43 | jelly-home | dunno, I prefer things packaged nicely |
| 23:45.06 | jelly-home | !info openssl-blacklist |
| 23:45.14 | dpkg | openssl-blacklist: (list of blacklisted OpenSSL RSA keys), section net, is optional. Version: 0.4.2 (sid), Packaged size: 6189 kB, Installed size: 12240 kB |
| 23:45.38 | blameless | ls |
| 23:45.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, how would that work with firefox? |
| 23:46.45 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: I imagine you'd have to write an extension that would check the remote key wasn't in the blacklist |
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| 23:47.07 | PeterFA | I have to upgrade and alas, I've not done so in about a week and a half. |
| 23:47.09 | PeterFA | ^^; |
| 23:47.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | jelly-home, then I'd rather take a ready-made extension, instead of spending time of writing my own :) |
| 23:47.25 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: oh, someone has already written it. |
| 23:47.26 | PeterFA | I'm installing a new Java runtime and a bunch of KDE stuff. |
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| 23:50.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | now the big prize question - do you trust the guy who wrote that extension |
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| 23:51.22 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, blind trust? |
| 23:51.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, seems so, eh? |
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| 23:52.08 | elro | I'm having trouble making my ec2 image deployment script install postfix unattended. Is there a way to get apt-get install / dpkg to read from a preseed file? |
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| 23:52.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, or can you read the content or .jar files? |
| 23:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, hm, actually it seems I can |
| 23:53.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | pity it's such a lot of stuff |
| 23:53.32 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, I don't know. I never used them, but I probably can. |
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| 23:54.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, unp sslblacklist.jar; cd content; grep -i evil_password_stealing_function |
| 23:54.42 | wrench___ | I untarred and ran the flash player installer script...but I cant get it to work. I keep getting the "install flash player" error in iceweasel |
| 23:54.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, nothing found - so I guess it's ok |
| 23:55.11 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, oh. Good. |
| 23:55.44 | PeterFA | grep -i ask_user_question_about_something_he-she_knows_nothing_about. |
| 23:55.55 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, I think that's the problem with most security measures. |
| 23:56.02 | wrench___ | anyone got an idea of how to get the flash player working in debian? |
| 23:56.09 | PeterFA | Peoples don't understand them or how to preserve them. |
| 23:56.27 | minoru | wrench___, are you running 32 or 64 bit? |
| 23:56.32 | wrench___ | minoru: 32bit |
| 23:56.34 | PeterFA | Fudge, the upgrade is causing my KDE session to go Steve Balmer. |
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| 23:57.58 | minoru | wrench___, download http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/flashplayer/current/install_flash_player_9_linux.tar.gz and put the .so somewhere in your .mozilla folder (forgot where, just read the readme) |
| 23:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, what I'm saying is, that I can read it, but that it'd take me a day or more to understand the 1500 lines of code |
| 23:58.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | so I guess it's all down to blind trust, as usual, or not? |
| 23:58.36 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, yeah. It's going to require some serious evaluation by you or someone you trust. |
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| 23:58.58 | wrench___ | minoru: The script from adobe put the .so file in the .mozilla/plugins/ |
| 23:59.12 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, a lot of problems stem from users who don't really know about security and certainly don't understand it. |
| 23:59.22 | PeterFA | How does on evaluate a cert?' |
| 23:59.35 | PeterFA | Microsoft Internet Explorer produces a pretty picture. |
| 23:59.48 | PeterFA | "Does this look authentic" it says. |
| 23:59.58 | PeterFA | What a pathetic security implementation? |