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| 00:03.18 | minoru | wrench___, sounds right. |
| 00:03.43 | PeterFA | Crap, that package still isn't available when I add the non-free repository. |
| 00:03.57 | PeterFA | msttcorefonts |
| 00:04.01 | PeterFA | I'm using Lenny, btw. |
| 00:04.30 | wrench___ | minoru: yup it looks right...just doesn't work |
| 00:04.43 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, there needs to be some system to evaluate the trust authorities. |
| 00:04.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, msttcorefonts - transitional dummy package |
| 00:04.46 | minoru | restarted firefox? |
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| 00:05.42 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, I want to install all the English fonts available. |
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| 00:06.49 | wrench___ | coming from other distros...debian seems so strange and harsh. Not sure I can hack it. |
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| 00:07.06 | PeterFA | wrench___, try Gentoo. |
| 00:07.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, http://packages.debian.org/source/sid/msttcorefonts |
| 00:07.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, it's in contrib, not in non-free |
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| 00:07.35 | wrench___ | PeterFA: I might give that a shot |
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| 00:08.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, and this is a transitional package that will just make ttf-mscorefonts-installer being installed |
| 00:08.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, and still, this will just install an installer which you then must run |
| 00:09.01 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, and it's the same story with the other. |
| 00:09.15 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, it is referred, but not available. |
| 00:10.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, it's in contrib - add contrib to your sources.list |
| 00:10.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | aIs |
| 00:10.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | is there an option to apt-get -b source to prevent the debian patches from being applied? |
| 00:11.35 | PeterFA | Yay, I got it. |
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| 00:12.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, except of course the patch that makes the debian directory :-/ |
| 00:12.46 | PeterFA | Why is that pulling in a bunch of .exe files? |
| 00:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | er, rules/ |
| 00:13.00 | PeterFA | Is debian using the NT kernel? o.o |
| 00:13.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | PeterFA, probably self-extracting archives |
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| 00:14.33 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, doubtful, because some packages will not build without debian patches |
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| 00:16.14 | simonrvn | PeterFA: because they self-extracting zip files |
| 00:16.19 | simonrvn | they're* |
| 00:16.28 | PeterFA | Oh. |
| 00:16.32 | PeterFA | They'll have to be wined. |
| 00:16.37 | simonrvn | no |
| 00:16.42 | PeterFA | ? |
| 00:16.57 | PeterFA | They're actual Linux executable binaries? |
| 00:16.59 | simonrvn | the msttcorefonts package scripts take care of it |
| 00:17.03 | PeterFA | Oh. |
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| 00:17.15 | simonrvn | takes*. bleh. bad typing. |
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| 00:18.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, how so? Hm, any alternative - I suspect one of the debian patches is causing a bug and would like to test the theory... |
| 00:18.14 | Orion_X11 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:18.28 | PeterFA | simonrvn, no, if you have a plural subject then you use the verb without the extra 's' such as "he goes" or "they go". |
| 00:18.40 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, then just apt-get source it, change up the contents of debian/patches, and then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 00:18.57 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, there aren't many automatic ways to debug an issue with the wrong patch being applied :) |
| 00:19.06 | simonrvn | PeterFA: it's one script. too tired to regexp my sentence... |
| 00:19.14 | simonrvn | PeterFA: but thank you |
| 00:19.29 | PeterFA | Sure. |
| 00:19.39 | Orion_X11 | Any help? |
| 00:19.49 | simonrvn | Orion_X11: URRITE |
| 00:19.55 | abrotman | Orion_X11: if you want amd64 yes |
| 00:20.11 | jelly-home | Orion_X11: you can also use the "i386" one |
| 00:21.15 | jelly-home | Orion_X11: if you have good network connectivity, you don't need the whole dvd, but can use the "netinst" image |
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| 00:21.45 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:21.47 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:21.49 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:21.52 | Orion_X11 | jelly-home But, what happens if I install this one? Since my processor is an amd64bits? Will it work whithout any problem? |
| 00:21.53 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:21.55 | Bonjour | lolz |
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| 00:22.01 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:22.03 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:22.05 | Bonjour | lolz |
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| 00:22.06 | PeterFA | Oh crap. |
| 00:22.07 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:22.13 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:22.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, so applying xemacs21_21.4.21-4.diff.gz to xemacs21_21.4.21.orig.tar.gz will only create the debian directory, but change none of the code/Makefiles? That is all left to dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:22.21 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:22.25 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:22.27 | Bonjour | lolz |
| 00:22.33 | Bonjour | lolz |
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| 00:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | ah, thanks |
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| 00:22.51 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, xemacs works find for me i just did a fresh install of it today. |
| 00:23.08 | simonrvn | now that was lame |
| 00:23.09 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, i don't know how xemacs handles patching. it may use dpatch, monolithic patches, dbs, or cdbs |
| 00:23.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, it's the flyspell-mode that doesn't work |
| 00:24.05 | Orion_X11 | jelly-home ??? |
| 00:24.08 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, i'll check now for you |
| 00:24.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=426038 or http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403425, respectively |
| 00:24.57 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: AMD64 processors (and also Intel 64 processors) are backward-compatible and can run 32-bit ("i386") software just fine |
| 00:25.33 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, basically there isn't one way to do it because of flexibility in how packaging is done. you have to download it and look and around |
| 00:25.35 | jelly-home | Orion_X11: some commercial/nonfree apps work better on i386. what's available in debian ought to work regardless of you using amd64 or i386 |
| 00:25.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, and as they already found out, it's not flyspell.el, but one of the built-in xemacs functions - but where they seem to be wrong is to suspect upstream - some ubuntu guy has the same bug and writes that it disappears when he installs from upstream instead of taking the packag - that leaves the debian patches, that ubuntu probably also applies |
| 00:25.39 | Wyzard | Orion_X11: Basically, it's both a 32-bit and a 64-bit processor |
| 00:25.57 | simonrvn | abrotman: thanks |
| 00:26.02 | mlLK | haha, abortman |
| 00:26.05 | abrotman | hi? |
| 00:26.17 | abrotman | doesn't get the joke |
| 00:26.19 | mlLK | abrotman, hi |
| 00:26.19 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, did you try grep'ing the diff.gz for flyspell? |
| 00:26.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes |
| 00:26.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's not there |
| 00:26.43 | mlLK | abrotman, i thought you were like a script or something |
| 00:26.50 | mlLK | abrotman, and someone invoked you |
| 00:26.58 | simonrvn | blinks |
| 00:27.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, I more suspect that it's one of the menu-making functions that were changed |
| 00:27.04 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, yes and debian/patches has nothing of merit |
| 00:27.08 | abrotman | i'm a bot |
| 00:27.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | abrotman, I know :) |
| 00:27.24 | mlLK | abrotman, are not. |
| 00:27.37 | simonrvn | he's made of flesh and bone. unique in the world |
| 00:27.42 | abrotman | at least he got my nick right that time |
| 00:28.01 | simonrvn | indeed |
| 00:28.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
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| 00:28.24 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, it looks like the debian source may be a cvs pull from a certain date. it may be that the upstream sources the ubuntu guy used were different |
| 00:28.36 | mlLK | abrotman, so you're no longer su? |
| 00:29.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, guess I can just run "make" and check without making a package, then perhaps remove patches if that doesn't show the bug |
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| 00:31.28 | Nyle | abotman |
| 00:31.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, hmpf, no flyspell :( |
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| 00:31.59 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, ok so w/ /usr/local am i supposed reallocate each directory into it's proper place since apache2 is showing up as /usr/local/apache2?.. |
| 00:32.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, what do you mean? |
| 00:32.28 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, this is why i agree that this is probably upstream |
| 00:32.43 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, /usr/local/bin = /usr/local/apache2/bin |
| 00:33.01 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, /usr/local/bin != /usr/local/apache2/bin* |
| 00:33.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, I don't understand? The same bug is in an ubuntu package, but not in an install from upstream... |
| 00:33.40 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, i can't access the binaries w/o ./programie |
| 00:33.55 | PeterFA | infinitycircuit, I bet you're short. |
| 00:33.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, no big problem for apache - you normally don't call that from the commandline... or at least not often |
| 00:34.07 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, ubuntu package was likely just synced from debian sid at some point. your issue implies that it was fixed sometime between now and then in upstream |
| 00:34.10 | mlLK | it's not in my $PATH$ |
| 00:34.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | mlLK, write a wrapper or make a soft-link in /usr/local/bin |
| 00:34.21 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, true true |
| 00:34.44 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, you need to be PC: change your nick to "autothyrotracheatomy" |
| 00:34.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell PeterFA about dibbler |
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| 00:35.28 | PeterFA | CutMeOwnThroat, oh. |
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| 00:36.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, why does that imply it's upstream? if the ubuntu package shows it, but not a direct install, that suggests to me it's something that is added to the upstream source |
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| 00:36.51 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, yes, but nothing shows up that would change how the debian packages interact with flyspell mode |
| 00:37.09 | infinitycircuit | that means a) upstream change or b) the problem is in another debian package |
| 00:37.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, that just means that it's not obvious... |
| 00:37.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, I concede to b) |
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| 00:37.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | but ... I cannot think of an obvious candidate |
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| 00:39.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, and this "compiled function x" in the backtrace is a bit mysterious - that could be anything |
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| 00:43.24 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, what's obviously the problem is, that some function expects to get a list as argument but instead gets a string or ... "save" |
| 00:44.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, hm, you might be right - I faintly remember fixing it - and that it (maybe) was connected to auctex |
| 00:44.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, do you also get that bug? |
| 00:47.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, yes - and the same flyspell.el works in emacs, but not in xemacs |
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| 00:50.14 | slackd00d | is there a howto on setting up a graphical boot like bootsplash or something for widescreen |
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| 00:51.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bootsplash |
| 00:51.32 | dpkg | hmm... bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
| 00:51.41 | slackd00d | CutMeOwnThroat: thanks |
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| 00:53.21 | stew | slackd00d: use usplash or splashy. they are userspace, and therefore, much easier to set since you don't need a patched kernel |
| 00:53.46 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 00:54.08 | stew | and someone who is less lazy than I should update the factoid :) |
| 00:54.25 | theBrettman | is there something that will tell me everything that ran when I booted linux? (not dmesg, dmesg is just the results of what ran) |
| 00:54.29 | abrotman | no bootsplash is <reply> Use something better |
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| 00:55.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 00:57.05 | jello | theBrettman: bootgraph? |
| 00:57.17 | slackd00d | stew: installing now. thank you |
| 00:57.26 | abrotman | !bootlog |
| 00:57.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bootlogd is disabled by default. Change /etc/default/bootlogd to "Yes" to get your /var/log/boot file. For the reason behind the default, see http://bugs.debian.org/213028 (fixed since sysvinit 2.86.ds1-11). Not a command (as opposed to dmesg) |
| 00:57.27 | abrotman | ? |
| 00:57.54 | jello | that would be output again, not the comands... |
| 00:59.21 | abrotman | ah right |
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| 00:59.58 | abrotman | cat /etc/init.d/* ? :) |
| 01:00.14 | jello | plus /etc/inittab |
| 01:00.20 | jello | and rcS |
| 01:00.36 | jello | and probably others that i'm forgetting... |
| 01:00.48 | jello | er, rc.local |
| 01:00.56 | simonrvn | !rc.local |
| 01:00.56 | dpkg | [rc.local] /etc/rc.local is a script called by /etc/init.d/rc.local which is typically one of the last things to be run during the boot sequence. If you have commands you want run at boot, edit /etc/rc.local (don't touch /etc/init.d/rc.local). rc.local is considered a hack, consider writing a real init script (ask me about <init.d>). |
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| 01:02.05 | theBrettman | k, I just want to learn what does what... |
| 01:02.14 | theBrettman | for reference later... |
| 01:02.23 | theBrettman | like for one, what sets up usb? |
| 01:03.14 | theBrettman | cause I wanna make a floppy like tomsrtbt but that can mount the usb |
| 01:03.15 | jello | udev |
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| 01:04.21 | orgthingy | how can I open ports in terminal? |
| 01:04.31 | theBrettman | so /etc/rc.local tells me what all runs? will it be descriptive at all? |
| 01:04.48 | theBrettman | or will it just be a list of commands? |
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| 01:04.53 | jello | theBrettman: no, it's just the last thing to run |
| 01:04.57 | theBrettman | oh |
| 01:04.59 | orgthingy | so? |
| 01:05.01 | jaggz1 | ??backport-src |
| 01:05.02 | orgthingy | How can i open ports? |
| 01:05.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | orgthingy, we don't understand you |
| 01:05.21 | jaggz1 | I need wireshark v1.0 from sid / lenny, but I'm on etch |
| 01:05.22 | theBrettman | dmesg isn't the same as the message I read when I boot, right? |
| 01:05.33 | jello | jaggz1: get a backport? |
| 01:05.41 | jaggz1 | I don't see it in backports |
| 01:05.52 | jello | make your own? |
| 01:05.59 | jaggz1 | yeah, that's what I'm looking into.. how do I do that? |
| 01:06.00 | orgthingy | CutMeOwnThroat : i want to open a port |
| 01:06.03 | orgthingy | 8080 |
| 01:06.03 | jaggz1 | ??backport |
| 01:06.08 | orgthingy | i want to open 8080, a port |
| 01:06.09 | orgthingy | jeez |
| 01:06.16 | jaggz1 | org, telnet localhost 8080 |
| 01:06.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | orgthingy, still not so clear - perhaps "nc -l -p 8080"? |
| 01:06.50 | jello | !tell jaggz1 about simple sid backport |
| 01:07.39 | orgthingy | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 01:07.48 | jaggz1 | okay.. nod jello.. got it |
| 01:07.48 | orgthingy | see, i want to open it, |
| 01:07.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | orgthingy, "open a port" sounds like you want to open a bottle of sprit - say what you really want to do |
| 01:08.03 | jaggz1 | why do you want to open it? |
| 01:08.06 | orgthingy | i want my torrent to work |
| 01:08.10 | orgthingy | i opened a port before |
| 01:08.12 | orgthingy | and torrents work |
| 01:08.15 | orgthingy | they dont anymore |
| 01:08.20 | jaggz1 | oh.. browse google for firewall? |
| 01:08.20 | orgthingy | i forgot how to open a port |
| 01:08.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean you are behind a firewall? |
| 01:08.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | orgthingy, depends where/what your firewall is |
| 01:08.56 | jaggz1 | your torrent thing (never used it) will bind to it itself on your computer.. it'll open it.. but you need to "open the way" through the firewall |
| 01:09.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | orgthingy, try doing ipchains-save to see what firewall rules are in effect |
| 01:09.16 | orgthingy | k |
| 01:09.50 | raptelan|bepress | How do I purge configuration for something showing up in dpkg -l as 'rc' without reinstalling and removing with --purge? |
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| 01:10.16 | orgthingy | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.18 | orgthingy | thanks |
| 01:10.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | orgthingy, but it might as well be your router/modem that has a NAT + firewall functions... that has nothing to do with Debian,m though |
| 01:10.26 | theBrettman | what is bootgraph? |
| 01:10.36 | CutMeOwnThroat | orgthingy, that command listens to a port on your machine... |
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| 01:10.45 | orgthingy | CutMeOwnThroat : if it has nothing to do with deb, then why does it work on windows :P |
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| 01:10.54 | jello | raptelan|bepress: 'rc' just means you're trying to remove it, but's it's still configured |
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| 01:11.09 | jaggz1 | when this says add a deb-src line for sid ONLY.. does it mean to remove the other lines, or to just avoid adding a plain "deb " line for sid? |
| 01:11.14 | Lethargik | where can i find a list of user accts used by processes? |
| 01:11.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | orgthingy, perhaps because there you configured your torrent client differently to be able to pierce your NAT? |
| 01:11.27 | jello | jaggz1: only deb-src, without deb |
| 01:11.37 | jello | Lethargik: eh? |
| 01:11.52 | orgthingy | umm, ok problem solved anyway :D |
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| 01:11.56 | orgthingy | thanks all for your time and help |
| 01:12.09 | jello | orgthingy: what'd you do? |
| 01:12.16 | Lethargik | like my exim4 is ran by Debian-exim4, is there a list i can see of these user accts? |
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| 01:12.27 | orgthingy | jello : enable/opened the ports i needed :D |
| 01:12.29 | orgthingy | bye |
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| 01:12.38 | jaggz1 | I think I need to install debhelper |
| 01:12.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | shrugs |
| 01:12.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | sounds miraclous... but he went away happy |
| 01:12.55 | jaggz1 | hm... still not working.. E: Build-Depends dependency for wireshark cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 01:13.30 | xtrix | CutMeOwnThroat: 'white lie' mayby :P |
| 01:13.38 | theBrettman | jello: what is bootgraph? |
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| 01:13.58 | jello | jaggz1: it means that it needs a newer version of debhelper than is available in etch... |
| 01:14.12 | jaggz1 | simple sid backport my arse ;) |
| 01:14.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe... ever tried "apt-cache search porn" |
| 01:14.32 | jaggz1 | it's easier to grab a tar and use checkinstall |
| 01:14.50 | nhuisman_work | hey, how come if I change the networking config and then do a /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:14.54 | nhuisman_work | the options don't get set? |
| 01:15.05 | nhuisman_work | etch |
| 01:15.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | jaggz1, it is? funny that - I end up spending lots of time to find out why checkinstall fails, normally... |
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| 01:15.32 | nhuisman_work | i edited /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:16.07 | jaggz1 | for most apps it works.. I had difficulty when trying to install a module (apache or kernel I don't recall :) ..) using checkinstall. bad idea I think. |
| 01:16.13 | jello | jaggz1: `echo 5 > debian/compat` edit debian/control and change the version dep on debhelper to >=5, from 6 |
| 01:16.38 | jaggz1 | locate debian/compat |
| 01:16.38 | nhuisman_work | seriously, wtf why doesn't restart script ifdown/ifup the interface |
| 01:16.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | nhuisman_work, often doesn't work so well... perhaps try stop and start seperately, of ifconfig <iface> down, then restart or something |
| 01:16.44 | jello | unless it really needs v6... |
| 01:16.49 | nhuisman_work | CutMeOwnThroat, ifup fixed it |
| 01:16.59 | nhuisman_work | seems a little silly |
| 01:17.18 | jello | nhuisman_work: because it's done by hotplug/udev, not the init.d script |
| 01:17.22 | Lethargik | anyone know where to find the config files for saslauthd? |
| 01:17.27 | jaggz1 | I don't see a debian.compat nor debian.control anywhere (locate -r) |
| 01:17.46 | nhuisman_work | i just figured the networking init.d script restart should dot hat |
| 01:17.47 | nhuisman_work | do that |
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| 01:18.05 | jello | jaggz1: firstly, locate uses a db that gets updated only nightly |
| 01:18.18 | jello | jaggz1: secondly, it's debian/control in the source dir |
| 01:18.38 | jaggz1 | did wireshark get dl'ed and unpacked somewhere already? I missed it |
| 01:18.58 | jello | jaggz1: apt-get source wireshark |
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| 01:19.06 | jello | should have been part of the instructions |
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| 01:19.08 | jaggz1 | ahhh.. movement |
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| 01:19.48 | jaggz1 | it is.. but the former command failed so I failed to move to the next command. consequently if I had followed the instructions exactly it would have done the source step: apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; |
| 01:19.55 | jaggz1 | (because of the ; ) |
| 01:20.59 | jello | jaggz1: ok, you're going to have to install the build-deps manually then |
| 01:21.00 | jaggz1 | okay.. :) now to build it.. |
| 01:21.23 | jello | after installing b-e |
| 01:21.46 | jaggz1 | okay.. will do.. when those fail right? so I got the src and changed the compat and control files |
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| 01:22.09 | jello | huh? |
| 01:22.55 | jaggz1 | I set those to version 5 now.. |
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| 01:23.19 | jaggz1 | trying to find out how to compile.. I just did apt-get -b source but it's re-transferring (so now I guess I get to re-edit 6 --> 5 again as well) |
| 01:24.01 | jello | jaggz1: yeah, don't do that... |
| 01:24.02 | jaggz1 | no.. they're untouched.. okay.. now how to compile this? |
| 01:24.13 | jello | jaggz1: fakeroot debian/rules binary |
| 01:24.14 | jaggz1 | (to watch the dep's fail :) |
| 01:24.49 | jello | jaggz1: actually install devscripts, and then run debuild |
| 01:25.14 | jaggz1 | can I make these all auto dependencies of wireshark? :) |
| 01:25.22 | jello | eh? |
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| 01:26.11 | jaggz1 | okay.. there are a LOT of dependencies.. |
| 01:26.25 | jaggz1 | isn't it better to get a .tar.gz of wireshark and compile it without all this? |
| 01:26.39 | jaggz1 | or just ./configure && make ? |
| 01:26.46 | jaggz1 | and checkinstall .. and ignore all the deps? |
| 01:26.46 | jello | you're going to need the deps to compile it anyway... |
| 01:26.55 | jello | most of them are not debian specific |
| 01:27.09 | jaggz1 | that's true -- I probably don't have even old versions of the -dev's for these packages |
| 01:27.10 | jello | ie. the build-deps |
| 01:27.18 | jaggz1 | okay, afk.. working on this and wife in need |
| 01:29.37 | jello | ok, i'm having a brain-fart; i set up libmtp to recognize my new player yesterday and everything worked fine. now, when i run mtp-detect it doesn't work anymore... what did i do wrong? |
| 01:30.06 | mlLK | what would be the regular expression for not showing hidden files? |
| 01:30.16 | mlLK | !=(.)* |
| 01:30.17 | mlLK | ? |
| 01:30.19 | jello | no |
| 01:30.36 | jello | /^[^.]/ |
| 01:30.55 | mlLK | oh fun syntax |
| 01:30.56 | jello | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:31.13 | jello | anything that starts with a character other than . |
| 01:31.52 | mlLK | so say i'd like to exclude more than one starting character |
| 01:31.58 | jaggz1 | ok |
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| 01:32.11 | jello | mlLK: be more specific |
| 01:32.24 | mlLK | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:32.34 | mlLK | ? |
| 01:32.38 | jello | no commas necessary |
| 01:32.47 | mlLK | no space either? |
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| 01:32.51 | jello | nope |
| 01:32.58 | mlLK | sexy |
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| 01:34.28 | jello | mlLK: look up regex character classes |
| 01:34.28 | Nyle | hey |
| 01:34.30 | Nyle | whats up |
| 01:34.32 | Nyle | jello and milk |
| 01:34.36 | Nyle | lots of food products |
| 01:34.37 | jello | !greet Nyle |
| 01:34.38 | dpkg | Wassup, Nyle |
| 01:34.40 | mlLK | ello |
| 01:34.41 | Nyle | man |
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| 01:34.48 | Nyle | why you gonna make the bot fuckin greeat me |
| 01:34.54 | Nyle | can't YOU just say hello? |
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| 01:34.58 | Nyle | I mean seriousy... |
| 01:35.02 | Nyle | ffs. |
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| 01:35.19 | Nyle | sighs aaahhh boy |
| 01:35.19 | jello | cause your not worth direct attention from me, obviously... ;) |
| 01:35.21 | jaggz1 | slave, go welcome our guests |
| 01:35.27 | Nyle | jello, hehe, a-hole :) |
| 01:35.33 | Nyle | what ya'll been upto then |
| 01:35.45 | Nyle | is looking on newegg to build a new server |
| 01:35.54 | Nyle | my budget got raised to 7k |
| 01:36.16 | Nyle | so basically i got 2k dollars to play around with, i might get me a little something ;) |
| 01:36.23 | abrotman | #debian-offtopic ? |
| 01:36.25 | jaggz1 | what I was saying was that I'm installing all these -dev packages (ex: aptitude install libpcap-dev) .. can I make these automatically installed instead of manually, and based on this wireshark source? |
| 01:36.36 | Nyle | abrotman, sure, go there. |
| 01:36.42 | abrotman | Nyle: you should |
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| 01:36.50 | Nyle | mhmm. |
| 01:37.09 | jello | jaggz1: that's what apt-get build-dep does... |
| 01:37.12 | Nyle | jaggz1, what are you trying to do |
| 01:37.13 | abrotman | jaggz1: you can try to 'apt-get build-dep wireshark' ? |
| 01:37.15 | Nyle | nm jello ... |
| 01:37.34 | jello | unfortunately, you can't use it that way since it needs a version of debhelper that you don't have |
| 01:37.47 | Nyle | hey |
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| 01:37.52 | jaggz1 | okay.. it ./compiles now.. but really libpcap 0.7 is installed.. debuild still thinks it needs .8 .. |
| 01:37.55 | Nyle | why doesn't aptitude do build-dep |
| 01:38.03 | Nyle | or does it? |
| 01:38.03 | jaggz1 | should I edit the control file again by hand to fix all those? |
| 01:38.31 | Nyle | still using apt-get for a lot of things |
| 01:38.38 | jaggz1 | E: Build-Depends dependency for wireshark cannot be satisfied because no available versions of package debhelper can satisfy version requirements |
| 01:38.55 | jaggz1 | that's what build-dep says.. |
| 01:39.06 | jello | jaggz1: did you modify the build-depends line in debian/control? |
| 01:39.45 | jaggz1 | I changed debhelper to >=5 from >=6 as jello helped me with. |
| 01:39.48 | Nyle | enouf, amphi, jelly-home: ping |
| 01:39.51 | jello | oh, apt uses what's in the Sources file that you downloaded, which has v6 debhelper |
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| 01:40.49 | Nyle | enouf, amphi, jelly-home: I still need your expertise in the server building, making is debian compatible with all the hardware and furthur advice, as ##hardware is a bit useless in this matter... damn gamer tards... |
| 01:41.16 | Nyle | enouf, amphi, jelly-home: hilight me when any of you fine gentlemen come about, thank you |
| 01:41.34 | jaggz1 | I can't believe we're so strict that we don't include checkinstall.. forcing us to go through all this garbage to make a backport |
| 01:41.47 | abrotman | Nyle: really .. go to another channel .. #debian-offtopic is perfect for that |
| 01:42.10 | Nyle | no thanks Dr. Phil. |
| 01:42.16 | jaggz1 | my package is compiled fine now.. can I do a "debuild" which says "set all the debian/control dependencies to accept the current system versions"? |
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| 01:42.32 | abrotman | Nyle: please keep your offtopic chatter to #debian-offtopic |
| 01:43.26 | jaggz1 | I feel a quantum potential |
| 01:43.32 | jello | jaggz1: heh, use -d |
| 01:44.07 | mlLK | anyone know of some good packages for a beginner programmer to get involved w/? |
| 01:44.27 | jaggz1 | installing dpatch now too.. *tap* *tap* *tap* |
| 01:44.46 | abrotman | mlLK: the ones you actually use would be a good idea |
| 01:44.51 | jello | mlLK: what kind of package are you interested in? |
| 01:44.57 | jaggz1 | wow.. this is interesting: dpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source |
| 01:44.58 | jello | mlLK: check wnpp perhaps |
| 01:45.12 | jello | jaggz1: run `fakeroot debian/rules clean` |
| 01:45.23 | abrotman | mlLK: http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/help_requested .. is another place to look |
| 01:45.32 | abrotman | though there aren't very many |
| 01:45.43 | jello | and they're usually not easy... |
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| 01:45.46 | jaggz1 | wow.. this is intense.. I don't do this often enough to remember it -- that's the sad thing. |
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| 01:46.06 | abrotman | jaggz1: you must really want a newer wireshark :) |
| 01:46.08 | jaggz1 | it still fails though: dpkg-source: cannot represent change to wireshark_1.0.2.orig.tar.gz: binary file contents changed |
| 01:46.20 | mlLK | abrotman, k awsome |
| 01:46.32 | mlLK | jello, firefox addons seem like all the rage these days |
| 01:46.34 | jaggz1 | abrotman, yeah.. old one is buggy and won't work through ssh without x11 forwarding Trusted set to on |
| 01:46.38 | abrotman | mlLK: also depends what you can code in |
| 01:46.44 | mlLK | jello, cept few are fairly functional |
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| 01:46.53 | jello | jaggz1: try `fakeroot debian/rules binary` |
| 01:46.57 | mlLK | abrotman, what i can code in. |
| 01:47.03 | abrotman | i'm asking you :) |
| 01:47.15 | jaggz1 | okay, I'll install libtoolize too :) |
| 01:47.16 | mlLK | i can code what in. |
| 01:47.19 | Lethargik | hey guys, I have a process that says it is being ran by user: 100 when i do ps-aux. how do i fix this? it is supposed to be running as Debian-exim |
| 01:47.25 | abrotman | mlLK: the programming languages you know |
| 01:47.34 | mlLK | lol i know i play i play |
| 01:47.55 | mlLK | well, mostly c |
| 01:48.02 | mlLK | some mysql and php |
| 01:48.06 | mlLK | no oo really |
| 01:48.12 | jello | Lethargik: probably missing an entry in /etc/passwd... |
| 01:48.13 | mlLK | and lots of css and html |
| 01:48.24 | jaggz1 | sends you all linden dollars ;) |
| 01:48.37 | jello | Lethargik: what does `getent passwd 100` say? |
| 01:48.48 | abrotman | mlLK: for example .. 'mantis' requested help .. IIRC that's php/mysql |
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| 01:49.03 | abrotman | IIRC .. it's also buggy as hell :) |
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| 01:49.34 | jaggz1 | I tried to buy mantises but they were out of season as of that very day :( |
| 01:49.35 | mlLK | 'mantis' |
| 01:49.37 | mlLK | ? |
| 01:49.40 | Lethargik | jello: the entry it has look like this: Debian-exim:x:100:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false what is missing? |
| 01:49.44 | abrotman | !info mantis |
| 01:49.52 | jello | Lethargik: looks correct |
| 01:49.55 | mlLK | !help mantis |
| 01:50.08 | dpkg | mantis: (web-based bug tracking system), section web, is optional. Version: 1.1.2+dfsg-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1812 kB, Installed size: 8044 kB |
| 01:50.28 | jaggz1 | dpkg periodically simple sid backport |
| 01:50.28 | dpkg | jaggz1: i haven't a clue |
| 01:50.39 | jaggz1 | dpkg never simple sid backport |
| 01:50.39 | dpkg | jaggz1: I'm not sure, is it larger than a breadbox? |
| 01:50.47 | jello | Lethargik: what's the exact ps command you used? |
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| 01:51.09 | Lethargik | jello: it returns this: Debian-exim:x:100:102::/var/spool/exim4:/bin/false |
| 01:51.19 | Lethargik | from the getent command |
| 01:51.28 | jello | that's fine |
| 01:51.32 | Lethargik | hmmmm |
| 01:51.45 | jaggz1 | user 100 is debian-exim.. what's the problem? |
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| 01:51.59 | jello | indeed |
| 01:52.06 | monobug | gnome-core hols less packages than gnome does, right? |
| 01:52.25 | abrotman | monobug: /msg dpkg install gnome .. yes |
| 01:52.28 | Lethargik | could that keep it from getting permission to directories? |
| 01:52.57 | jaggz1 | to which dirs? |
| 01:53.00 | jello | huh?? |
| 01:53.07 | monobug | abrotman, sorry, i could have checked, but i am not my my own comp atm... |
| 01:53.13 | jaggz1 | make those dirs not owned by Debian-exim or adjust their u-g-o perms |
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| 01:53.32 | abrotman | monobug: that's fine .. packages.debian.org would ahve told you also (if you follow the dependency tree) |
| 01:53.45 | monobug | yes, i do |
| 01:53.48 | Lethargik | well, Debian-exim needs to be a member of the sasl group to use saslauthd for authentication. however saslauthd is being ran by root |
| 01:54.00 | Lethargik | so that might be my problem, but i dont know where to start |
| 01:54.00 | jaggz1 | okay.. this is a slow compile somehow.. afk |
| 01:54.18 | monobug | abrotman, gnome-core is the "smallest" gnome installation there is, right? |
| 01:54.22 | mlLK | abrotman, jello aren't there any 'meta'programming projects, like a game where the side-effect of programming (or playing the game) is learning? |
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| 01:54.38 | abrotman | monobug: IIRC yes |
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| 01:55.07 | mlLK | http://www.debian.org/devel/wnpp/help_requested just seems really grave and serious and practical |
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| 01:56.02 | Lethargik | is there a way to have Debian-exim run as root? |
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| 01:56.18 | jello | mlLK: http://www.debian.org/devel/todo/ |
| 01:56.29 | jello | Lethargik: you don't want to do that |
| 01:56.33 | jaggz1 | http://gizmodo.com/5035456/blue-screen-of-death-strikes-birds-nest-during-opening-ceremonies-torch-lighting |
| 01:56.39 | jello | it would compromise security |
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| 01:57.38 | eddieBB | can anyone help me install flash on Konqueror browser?? |
| 01:57.55 | Lethargik | hmmm, so then, could I get saslauthd to run be run from a sasl acct? |
| 01:57.56 | jaggz1 | someone says it's fake though |
| 01:58.22 | screamingbytes | wols: got it rolling again wols, ty |
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| 01:58.58 | ajavid | abrotman: its been a while, please unban Nyle |
| 01:59.46 | jello | Lethargik: sure, why not |
| 02:00.40 | mlLK | jello, awesome link! |
| 02:01.04 | jello | good questions get good answers :) |
| 02:01.21 | mlLK | jello, it seems as if i encounter many of these projects problems on a day-to-day basis |
| 02:01.40 | jaggz1 | xsltproc --nonet --novalid /usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/manpages/docbook.xsl idl2deb.dbk warning: failed to load external entity "/usr/share/xml/docbook/stylesheet/nwalsh/manpages/docbook.xsl" |
| 02:01.53 | jaggz1 | oh do I really care. |
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| 02:02.03 | jello | looks like just a warning |
| 02:02.27 | jaggz1 | nah it errors |
| 02:02.35 | jaggz1 | I have to install docbook-xsl I guess |
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| 02:02.48 | ajavid | abrotman: ... it just seems really unfair to ban someone based on what they asked. Nyle asked about building a debian server, and then he said no thanks dr. phil. Why is he still banned, a queit is only 10 minutes. |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | ajavid: ban evasion isn't a great idea |
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| 02:03.22 | eddieBB_ | can anyone help me install flash on Konqueror browser?? |
| 02:03.23 | jaggz1 | but he's not being an ass about it |
| 02:03.50 | ajavid | abrotman: neither is being a cunt |
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| 02:04.09 | jello | eddieBB_: what's the problem? |
| 02:04.13 | jello | which flash plugin are you trying to use? |
| 02:04.19 | jello | which version of debian? |
| 02:04.33 | jello | more details yield better answers... |
| 02:04.46 | eddieBB_ | jello: any that allows me to view flash in browser. i have Debian Etch |
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| 02:06.13 | jello | eddieBB_: see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 02:08.48 | Lethargik | how do i define a group to be the owners of a directory and its files? |
| 02:09.14 | jello | Lethargik: chgrp -R group dir |
| 02:10.10 | jello | jaggz1: so, how'd it go? |
| 02:10.22 | Lethargik | dangit |
| 02:11.00 | Lethargik | thats still not doing it. exim4 functions properly, saslauthd functions properly. they just arent working together. i dont get it |
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| 02:13.26 | eddieBB_ | okay, i've installed it but it's still asking me to install Flash in browser |
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| 02:14.02 | jello | you restarted the browser? |
| 02:14.18 | eddieBB_ | jello: yes |
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| 02:15.47 | jello | eddieBB_: no errors? |
| 02:16.03 | jello | when installing? |
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| 02:16.10 | eddieBB_ | nope |
| 02:16.19 | Lethargik | woah, ok guys I got it |
| 02:16.20 | jello | strange, it should just work... |
| 02:16.27 | Lethargik | anybody interested in hearing it? :p |
| 02:16.36 | jello | sure |
| 02:17.24 | Lethargik | ok. well, let me first say that every how to under the sun thinks that saslauthd runs under a "sasl" user in a "sasl" group. well it doesnt, at least on my system |
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| 02:17.50 | Lethargik | so i had to add exim4 and root to a group and say they owned the particular saslauthd directory |
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| 02:18.00 | Lethargik | after that, authentication succeeeded! |
| 02:18.08 | Nyle | hm |
| 02:18.17 | eddieBB_ | jello: any idea what i should do? |
| 02:18.47 | jello | thinking, one second pls |
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| 02:19.39 | simonrvn | sasl group exists already |
| 02:19.48 | eddieBB_ | jello: np |
| 02:20.06 | Nyle | !ping |
| 02:20.06 | dpkg | pong |
| 02:20.12 | simonrvn | i.e., i didn't create it |
| 02:20.51 | jello | simonrvn: if you say so... |
| 02:21.49 | jello | eddieBB_: not sure why it's not being picked up... |
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| 02:22.56 | simonrvn | jello: http://paste.debian.net/14562/ |
| 02:23.16 | eddieBB_ | jello: someone once told me i have to install it for browser. does the install i did do that? |
| 02:23.34 | mooseman447 | hey im trying to setup a bridge mode openvpn server but i cant seem to make a tap0 device for example i ran openvpn --mktun --dev tap0 but no tap0 in /dev |
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| 02:23.49 | simonrvn | etch, mod date is like 2 years ago for that postinst |
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| 02:26.53 | jello | eddieBB_: it should, sorry out of ideas... |
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| 02:28.50 | eddieBB_ | jello: np, thanks for trying |
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| 02:30.10 | mooseman447 | does anybody have any ideas to create a tap0 device? |
| 02:30.28 | Wyzard | mooseman447: tap0 would be a network interface, I believe, not a device file in /dev |
| 02:30.44 | Wyzard | or should it be both? |
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| 02:34.42 | mooseman447 | does anybody here use tap0 and could tell me if it makes a device file? |
| 02:37.37 | abrotman | tap0 is a network interface .. i doubt (like the other network interfaces) that it has a dev file |
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| 02:40.16 | mooseman447 | this is my openvpn log i think lines 32-34 are the problem http://pastebin.com/d60e679fe |
| 02:40.26 | simonrvn | it does not have a device file... |
| 02:41.30 | Lethargik | If I installed a package previously, then removed it, how do i install it again so i can go through the configuration prompts again? |
| 02:41.50 | peppe | /dev/tap0 sounds like linux 2.2 |
| 02:42.25 | peppe | Lethargik: if you reinstall it, it doesn't display the configuration? |
| 02:42.34 | Lethargik | nope |
| 02:42.39 | peppe | Lethargik: btw you can always reconfigure it with dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 02:42.49 | Lethargik | ohh |
| 02:42.52 | mooseman447 | what do you think the problem is based on my pastebin? |
| 02:42.54 | Wyzard | Lethargik: purge it first |
| 02:43.03 | peppe | Lethargik: or purge it, dpkg -P packagename |
| 02:43.12 | Wyzard | Lethargik: When you remove a package, it doesn't remove the config files |
| 02:43.14 | peppe | aptitude purge packagename, etc. |
| 02:43.21 | Wyzard | Lethargik: purge removes the config files too |
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| 02:44.31 | peppe | mooseman447: maybe the tap0 interface or the bridge isn't configured properly |
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| 02:45.46 | deriaN | How do I run a .jar file in debian? |
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| 02:46.15 | mlLK | with jar |
| 02:46.25 | nareshov | Install java runtime, and 'java -jar file.jar' |
| 02:46.40 | mooseman447 | is there anyway i can test tap0 just to make sure it can work? |
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| 02:47.09 | mlLK | deriaN, try fastjar |
| 02:47.25 | Wyzard | fastjar is for creating and unpacking jar files, not running them |
| 02:47.47 | mlLK | Wyzard, oh ok; i didn't know, just saw it |
| 02:47.47 | deriaN | accordingly to this readme I should be using "java -jar shit.jar" |
| 02:47.55 | peppe | fastjar is just jar written in C, not in Java |
| 02:47.56 | deriaN | How do I install java runtime, what is the name of the package? |
| 02:48.00 | peppe | mooseman447: how did you configure that? how did you configure the bridge? there are other openvpn processes around? |
| 02:48.35 | peppe | deriaN: /msg dpkg java, /msg dpkg install java |
| 02:48.39 | mooseman447 | there is no openvpn process running and i setup the bridge using the bridge-start script |
| 02:49.14 | deriaN | peppe /msg? |
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| 02:49.46 | mooseman447 | peppe this is the script i use to configure it http://pastebin.com/d34f7db7b |
| 02:49.50 | peppe | deriaN: I don't remember how to make dpkg tell you that :) |
| 02:49.57 | peppe | dpkg: tell deriaN about java |
| 02:50.05 | peppe | dpkg: tell deriaN about java install |
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| 02:50.12 | peppe | hm, this works. |
| 02:50.20 | peppe | dpkg: tell deriaN about install java |
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| 02:52.25 | mlLK | dpkg, tell mlLK about mlLK |
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| 02:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell mlLK about selftell |
| 02:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 02:55.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh |
| 02:55.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell peppe about selftell |
| 02:55.35 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:56.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | because |
| 02:57.13 | peppe | CutMeOwnThroat: I didn't remember how to make dpkg say something to others, not how to make dpkg tell me something :) |
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| 02:58.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ... seems I'm tired |
| 02:58.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | "!" is short for dpkg |
| 02:58.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | sorry... misguided |
| 02:59.19 | deriaN | dpkg is a wicked nice bot |
| 02:59.19 | dpkg | bugger all, i dunno, deriaN |
| 02:59.27 | deriaN | :D |
| 02:59.29 | peppe | oh. thanks. but I think i'll forgot anything another time :P |
| 02:59.38 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.59 | deriaN | Im off to bed as well, clock |
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| 03:00.11 | deriaN | clock's 05:00 Am |
| 03:00.12 | peppe | mooseman447: no idea, paste brctl show, ifconfig -a |
| 03:00.16 | screamingbytes | abrotman: can you lend a quick hand? |
| 03:00.25 | deriaN | Good night you guys! |
| 03:00.29 | screamingbytes | gn |
| 03:00.42 | abrotman | screamingbytes: if it takes five minutes or less :) |
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| 03:00.59 | dbmoodbasdf | hi ah on lenny shift enter registers just as enter |
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| 03:01.09 | screamingbytes | abrotman: well if it takes more, then i should be reading and not bothering you :) |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | screamingbytes: that's what they all say |
| 03:01.19 | abrotman | get askin'! |
| 03:01.20 | dbmoodbasdf | what should shift enter be ? |
| 03:01.21 | mlLK | CutMeOwnThroat, ah oh k. i was just abusing auto-complete. :( |
| 03:01.35 | screamingbytes | abrotman: so yesterday i installed hotplug and it wiped my kernel, system.map, and config |
| 03:01.48 | abrotman | because hotplug has been deprecated for a very long time |
| 03:02.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, seems you were right - I just compiled packages without the patches and... well, it compiles with the gcc4 patch only but is mostly nonfunctional |
| 03:02.07 | screamingbytes | abrotman: today i dl'd a live cd, same kernel, and copied it over with the system.map and config |
| 03:02.16 | abrotman | and removed hotplug ? |
| 03:02.29 | screamingbytes | abrotman: those were wols's suggestions. |
| 03:02.38 | mooseman447 | peppe http://pastebin.com/d4000b2c |
| 03:02.40 | abrotman | that's fine .. hotplug still needs to go |
| 03:02.46 | screamingbytes | abrotman: indeed |
| 03:02.53 | screamingbytes | abrotman: ive already removed it |
| 03:03.00 | abrotman | and? |
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| 03:03.13 | screamingbytes | abrotman: i needed my usb to work when i plugged in a drive. |
| 03:03.35 | dbmoodbasdf | anyone ? -- shift enter is now enter ?... that's great but i need shift enter |
| 03:03.42 | abrotman | screamingbytes: udev should do that on its own |
| 03:03.57 | screamingbytes | abrotman: n e way, i got the kernel, and re=writen menu.lst in there. it boots to my gnome desktop, i can move the mouse, but nothing is reacting to clicks |
| 03:03.57 | abrotman | or at least detect it |
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| 03:04.22 | peppe | mooseman447: no idea... #openvpn ? :) |
| 03:04.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's this mule thingy... or say the other way around what's the difference between nomule and mule packages? |
| 03:04.32 | abrotman | screamingbytes: sounds like the wrong protocol |
| 03:04.37 | screamingbytes | abrotman: yea im going back to udev etc.. when i get my desktop functioning lol |
| 03:05.05 | mooseman447 | peppe i have been talking to them for like 3 days and nothing.... |
| 03:05.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok, just found it - it's for japanese characters |
| 03:05.19 | abrotman | screamingbytes: okay .. i'd work on that first .. going to bed now! |
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| 03:06.05 | peppe | mooseman447: the conf? |
| 03:06.49 | mooseman447 | peppe http://pastebin.com/d67f8261a |
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| 03:08.25 | dbmoodbasdf | files keymap bug |
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| 03:11.23 | peppe | mooseman447: hm, don't the "up" line bring up the bridge *again*? |
| 03:12.18 | mooseman447 | im pretty sure that up line is the only thing that brings up the bridge |
| 03:13.38 | mooseman447 | ill try removing it and see what happens |
| 03:13.42 | peppe | mooseman447: but the bridge is already active |
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| 03:14.05 | mooseman447 | well all those commands i showed were when i started openvpn which ran that bridge-start |
| 03:14.16 | peppe | ok, shut down the bridge |
| 03:14.21 | peppe | and restart openvpn |
| 03:14.31 | wwasher | is cscript.exe normally included with wine? |
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| 03:16.18 | mooseman447 | ok i stopped openvpn and ran ifconfig -a only had eth0 and lo left then i removed the up line and started openvpn now ifconfig -a has eth0, lo and tap0 but no br0 |
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| 03:18.45 | peppe | mooseman447: wait --- the "up" line is fine, what I was pointing out was that maybe the bridge was already up (before openvpn); so when openvpn executed that up line, it got an error |
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| 03:19.40 | mooseman447 | peppe oh ok well ido have have a down line so once i shut down openvpn it all goes away |
| 03:20.27 | peppe | mooseman447: but you pasted http://pastebin.com/d4000b2c that shows the bridge up; was openvpn running? |
| 03:21.06 | mooseman447 | yes i thought you wanted to see if it was configured correctly |
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| 03:22.38 | roe_ | the is a mindsweeper clone in aptitude? |
| 03:22.53 | tonsofpcs | winemine ? |
| 03:23.01 | tonsofpcs | [it comes with wine] |
| 03:23.06 | roe_ | no, *in* aptitude |
| 03:23.43 | tonsofpcs | ? |
| 03:24.02 | roe_ | run aptitude: File -> Play Minesweeper |
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| 03:27.46 | wwasher | roe_ i ... i ... i've *never* heard of it |
| 03:28.01 | roe_ | seems like an odd thing |
| 03:28.42 | roe_ | I usually stick to using apt-get, but I was poking around aptitude and fell upon it |
| 03:28.58 | wwasher | roe_ ouch! |
| 03:29.08 | roe_ | luckily I didn't fall on a bomb |
| 03:29.24 | rfrank | Which graphics company has better linux drivers: nVidia or ATI? |
| 03:29.51 | roe_ | !best |
| 03:29.51 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 03:30.05 | rfrank | I actually said better, but that's okay. |
| 03:30.12 | rfrank | Most hardware support, open source or not |
| 03:30.21 | wwasher | roe_ ATI drivers are supposed to be open; seem's likea good definition for best to me. |
| 03:30.23 | rfrank | from what I remember, nvidia had great open source drivers, and ati only had fglrx |
| 03:30.27 | simonrvn | ati has the upper hand in that |
| 03:30.54 | simonrvn | ati released recent specs not so long ago. |
| 03:31.07 | simonrvn | nv driver is 2d only |
| 03:31.20 | wwasher | rfrank : nvidia's drivers were never open. at least not from nvidia |
| 03:31.26 | wwasher | roe_ oops. sorry. |
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| 03:31.35 | rfrank | wwasher: were there open source private projects, then? |
| 03:31.41 | rfrank | I remember there was the r300 drivers and such for ATI |
| 03:31.54 | rfrank | and those were separate from ATI specifically, but they had great support for older cards.. but not newer ones |
| 03:31.58 | simonrvn | rfrank: yes, but are very alpha still (qv. nouveau) |
| 03:32.02 | rfrank | then for newer cards there was ONLY fglrx, and that was proprietary |
| 03:32.27 | simonrvn | my radeon 9k works nice with the open source driver |
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| 03:32.59 | simonrvn | dri, 3d, and no more vt lockups since the last xorg updates |
| 03:32.59 | roe_ | rfrank, nvidia and ati both provide drivers for their hardware, (nvidia, fglrx) there are also OS alternatives (nv, not sure the ati one) |
| 03:33.16 | simonrvn | ati, heh |
| 03:33.26 | roe_ | well that would make sense |
| 03:33.30 | orz1 | i want the details of what dpkg --configure -a does |
| 03:33.35 | mooseman447 | peppe do you know how to manaully make the bridge maybe my bridge-start scrippt is doing it wrong |
| 03:33.40 | simonrvn | though radeon and ati got split in xorg not so long ago |
| 03:33.50 | orz1 | my system is getting stuck on setting up bridge-utils |
| 03:34.12 | simonrvn | orz1: configures anything that needsconfiguring. man dpkg |
| 03:34.17 | orz1 | where can i find the configure scripts it is running? |
| 03:34.35 | simonrvn | <packagename>.postinst |
| 03:34.43 | orz1 | where would those be? |
| 03:34.55 | simonrvn | man dpkg says so |
| 03:36.16 | orz1 | i'm not seeing the path |
| 03:36.20 | simonrvn | (if it doesn't, then a bug should be filed ;) |
| 03:36.27 | simonrvn | bottom, under FILES |
| 03:38.36 | orz1 | its not there |
| 03:39.57 | orz1 | i seem to have foudn them at /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 03:45.55 | simonrvn | orz1: ok; it should because that's a convention to list pretinent files under FILES section. |
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| 03:46.00 | simonrvn | pertinent* |
| 03:46.17 | icedtea | with gnome, and one of the panels, how do you change so that an icon/program asks for permissions and runs as root? |
| 03:46.19 | wd3 | what's the command to see active / current runlevels/scripts currently running? for eg.. gentoo is rc-stautus/rc-status -a. |
| 03:46.41 | wd3 | is there such a thing in debian? |
| 03:47.26 | wd3 | i know i could see rc2.d to see bootup but how do i see current running? |
| 03:48.35 | roe_ | wd3, something other than what ps -ax would give you? |
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| 03:50.44 | wd3 | roe_, yes.. something showing just what's in rc2.d or any service running. |
| 03:51.09 | wd3 | roe_, did ps -ax.. it's well ok. |
| 03:51.32 | wd3 | roe_, i guess it will have to do . |
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| 03:54.48 | CuteAlien | Hello! Can someone recommend a backup-solution to me? My Dreamfeatures: http://rafb.net/p/IPzNWZ23.html |
| 03:56.06 | orz1 | i'd write a bash script |
| 03:56.20 | CuteAlien | orz1, I did - but I fail at 2. |
| 03:56.28 | CuteAlien | I'm not a bash-expert |
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| 03:56.44 | CuteAlien | that's why I'd like some tool where someone wrote that already :) |
| 03:56.48 | orz1 | how should restoring work? |
| 03:57.07 | orz1 | should it recreate the orignal directories and make the symbolic links to them? |
| 03:57.24 | roe_ | CuteAlien, take a look at rsnapshot, I haven't looked at it in a while but I remember it being very nice |
| 03:57.24 | orz1 | i mean |
| 03:58.00 | orz1 | should the directory name referenced by teh top level links be remembered? |
| 03:58.10 | CuteAlien | orz1 - let me think a moment.. |
| 03:58.56 | CuteAlien | The problem is in short that my home-partition got to small so I had to put a lot of sub-folders in other partitions. And now they don't get backuped anymore. |
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| 03:59.32 | CuteAlien | I think it should recreated that symbolic links |
| 03:59.40 | Jan| | how do I uninstall the debian boot loader ? |
| 04:00.41 | roe_ | CuteAlien, why not just move /home to a larger partition? |
| 04:00.45 | CuteAlien | roe_, thanks, I'll take a look at it - haven't checked that out yet. |
| 04:00.57 | roe_ | lvm is your friend |
| 04:01.00 | roe_ | !lvm |
| 04:01.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 04:01.06 | orz1 | [ -L linkname ] && echo "This will print if linkname is a symbolic link" |
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| 04:02.13 | CuteAlien | roe_, well, mainly because I'm afraid of breaking something |
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| 04:02.36 | roe_ | so make one manual backup and dive in |
| 04:02.53 | roe_ | don't spend time maintaining an insufficient system |
| 04:03.03 | roe_ | I wonder... |
| 04:03.05 | roe_ | !try |
| 04:03.05 | dpkg | Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. |
| 04:03.10 | roe_ | hehe |
| 04:04.02 | S[h]O[r]T | anyone having problems reaching debian mirrors? |
| 04:04.37 | roe_ | which ones |
| 04:04.43 | roe_ | mine seem fine |
| 04:04.55 | roe_ | mine = the ones I use, not the ones I maintain |
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| 04:06.03 | mns | I just installed Sugar from the archives. No problems what so ever. |
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| 04:06.18 | roe_ | SugarCRM? |
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| 04:11.56 | icedtea | with gnome, and one of the panels, how do you change so that an icon/program on the main menu asks for permissions and runs as root? |
| 04:12.14 | icedtea | I can't edit any of the properties of the menu icons |
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| 04:15.03 | Blast_Hardcheese | What's the best way to fsck root? |
| 04:15.19 | orz1 | icedtea, try asking in #ubuntu |
| 04:15.25 | orz1 | heh |
| 04:15.41 | icedtea | orz1: I'm running debian testing |
| 04:16.18 | orz1 | hm |
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| 04:16.20 | orz1 | look at gksu |
| 04:16.25 | orz1 | is that what you need? |
| 04:17.13 | icedtea | well, I want to know how to edit the properties of the menu items |
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| 04:21.17 | wrench___ | hey all. when i installed etch i encrypted my hd. now i want to install something else. is there anything i need to do to decrypt the drive before i repartition and format it? |
| 04:22.03 | orz1 | you are going to format it? meaning it will be wiped? |
| 04:22.14 | orz1 | if you are ok with that, why decrypt |
| 04:22.37 | icedtea | orz1: are you locked out of changing the icon properties on menus as well? |
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| 04:22.48 | wrench___ | orz1: gotcha...dont need to then i guess . thanks! |
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| 04:24.25 | orz1 | wrench___: have you seen System -> preferences -> Main Menu? |
| 04:26.33 | icedtea | orz1: your talking to me I take it |
| 04:26.33 | wrench___ | orz1: nope...i havent looked at that. iwas having trouble with something unrelated that i thot was casued by teh encryption. |
| 04:26.49 | orz1 | icedtea: yeah, sorry |
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| 04:27.30 | orz1 | wrench___: meant that for icedtea, sorry |
| 04:27.40 | icedtea | orz1: I don't have that icon |
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| 04:30.53 | wrench___ | orz1: np and thx again for the info. |
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| 04:54.42 | mlLK | uh oh guys |
| 04:54.53 | mlLK | i'm running rythmbox as sudo |
| 04:55.00 | Supaplex | tsk tsk |
| 04:55.16 | mlLK | gksudo more specifically |
| 04:56.00 | mlLK | who can take down my computer w/ rhythmbox? |
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| 04:57.48 | Supaplex | you want us to do your homework? |
| 04:57.53 | Supaplex | !tell mlLK -about root |
| 04:58.09 | Supaplex | that's a small taste. don't cry to us when it breaks. |
| 04:58.29 | mlLK | silly rootheads |
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| 04:59.06 | Supaplex | you are a troll. have a nice day. see if we care. it's not like it's our property. |
| 04:59.10 | mlLK | debian sponsoring any vm projects? |
| 04:59.49 | simonrvn | adds a plonk |
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| 05:17.14 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.30 | kaeles | I'm doing locate vmx, to find this vm image I'm trying to load, it shows its in the /mnt/virtual-machines/vm/ directory, but when I go in there, nothing is listed, does locate use a database or something to find what its looking for or am i crazy or something? |
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| 05:25.09 | kaeles | nevermind, I had somehow changed my fstab to be mounting something to the wrong dir (got md1 and md2 mixed up). |
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| 05:26.33 | Tatsh | what package has ifconfig? |
| 05:26.41 | Tatsh | i got a qemu image of debian/hurd and it does not have ifconfig |
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| 05:31.27 | Zeyorez | how do I list my network adapters and ip address? |
| 05:31.28 | icedtea | Tatsh: are you route? you should have ifconfig |
| 05:31.39 | icedtea | Zeyorez: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 05:31.42 | Tatsh | nah, for some reason this qemu image doesn't have it |
| 05:31.54 | Tatsh | got it from here |
| 05:31.54 | Tatsh | http://lists.debian.org/debian-hurd/2008/01/msg00014.html |
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| 05:32.41 | icedtea | net-tools should have it |
| 05:33.04 | Tatsh | see if that works |
| 05:33.18 | icedtea | I mean are you root? |
| 05:33.25 | Tatsh | nah, but i installed sudo |
| 05:33.50 | Tatsh | maybe the hurd repos just don't have the tool? |
| 05:33.59 | icedtea | apt-get install net-tools |
| 05:34.08 | icedtea | oh this is the hurd |
| 05:34.09 | icedtea | doh |
| 05:34.13 | icedtea | don't know about that |
| 05:34.20 | icedtea | try in #hurd if ;you haven't already |
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| 05:38.39 | Zeyorez | how to update my kernel? |
| 05:39.49 | Zeyorez | was it something like apt-get install kernel-image-version |
| 05:39.58 | kaeles | apt-get upgrade? |
| 05:40.07 | infinitycircuit | Zeyorez, aptitude install linux-image-xxx for etch and newer |
| 05:40.19 | kaeles | that way it gets the newest verion of everything |
| 05:40.58 | Zeyorez | oh cool |
| 05:41.28 | icedtea | don't you need to apt-get dist-upgrade to get a newer kernel? |
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| 05:41.44 | mx | can anyone help me get my crons working again? |
| 05:42.04 | mx | i already restarted crond but it still wnt run the cronjobs |
| 05:42.22 | Zeyorez | yeah |
| 05:42.27 | Zeyorez | you do, thank you :) |
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| 05:44.25 | Zeyorez | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) when using apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:45.01 | kaeles | uh I don't think so icedtea |
| 05:45.01 | fgeek | http://www.korumaailma.fi/product_details.php?p=1415 Debian-ring :) |
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| 05:45.08 | kaeles | you may though |
| 05:45.33 | mx | :? |
| 05:45.34 | mx | :/ |
| 05:45.40 | Zeyorez | apt-get upgrade skipped kernel for me |
| 05:45.59 | kaeles | weird |
| 05:46.06 | kaeles | mine shows a newer kernel in it |
| 05:47.16 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:47.19 | Zeyorez | doesn't look like i can upgrade my kernel using apt-get |
| 05:47.35 | Zeyorez | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) :( |
| 05:47.58 | kaeles | is there another terminal open or something? |
| 05:48.14 | Zeyorez | no I don't even have a desktop environment |
| 05:48.20 | Zeyorez | doing everything over SSH |
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| 05:48.48 | orz1 | Zeyorez: what sort of device is this? |
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| 05:49.12 | Zeyorez | oh it says dependency problems |
| 05:49.18 | orz1 | i'm having the damndest time with an asus wlhdd |
| 05:49.24 | orz1 | i think my hardware is faulty :( |
| 05:49.35 | orz1 | it's got debian but can't seem to do much |
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| 05:50.05 | Zeyorez | P5W DH Deluxe motherboard is the worst :C |
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| 05:50.41 | Zeyorez | filled with problems that make it almost impossible to boot linux |
| 05:51.03 | kaeles | lol, for awhile at my work , I was replace e-machine motherboards almost 1 or 2 a day . |
| 05:51.12 | kaeles | replacing even^ |
| 05:51.22 | Zeyorez | lol |
| 05:52.09 | Zeyorez | maybe the kernel upgrade will work if I'm not running it in SSH over VMWare *rolls eyes* |
| 05:52.30 | mx | can anyone help me get my crons working again? |
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| 05:53.28 | kaeles | hmm |
| 05:53.37 | kaeles | lemme look at my vmware etch image then |
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| 05:54.46 | cvn | hi how do i set up a ssh tunnel for http? |
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| 05:56.59 | paozinho | http://pinguimvermelho.wordpress.com |
| 05:57.08 | paozinho | hahaha |
| 05:57.17 | paozinho | Good for who like the Pinguim XD |
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| 06:02.21 | Cpudan80 | Hello all |
| 06:02.35 | Cpudan80 | What version of gnome is in debian right now? |
| 06:02.41 | Cpudan80 | like in the regular repos |
| 06:02.57 | orz1 | packages.debian.org |
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| 06:03.16 | Cpudan80 | tyty |
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| 06:04.50 | infinitycircuit | Cpudan80, you can also install devscripts and then just run rmadison gnome if you ever want info like that |
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| 06:05.50 | Cpudan80 | This thing has a weird numbering schema |
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| 06:06.22 | Cpudan80 | What does 2.14.3.6 mean? |
| 06:06.47 | Cpudan80 | oh duh that's the number |
| 06:06.48 | Supaplex | looks like an ip address :P |
| 06:06.58 | Cpudan80 | hrm... 2.14 is very old |
| 06:07.15 | Supaplex | old is another word for rock solid stability |
| 06:07.18 | roe_ | etch was frozen in 2006 |
| 06:07.32 | Supaplex | and new is a another word for buggy |
| 06:07.42 | roe_ | 2.22 is in lenny |
| 06:07.57 | Cpudan80 | See |
| 06:08.07 | paozinho | Someone Know if the New Debian "Unstable" Use PulseAudio ?? |
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| 06:08.19 | Cpudan80 | What I am looking for is debian base distro that moves a little faster than the debian baseline |
| 06:08.27 | Cpudan80 | Not ubuntu either |
| 06:08.47 | roe_ | for a desktop, server, high availablity? |
| 06:09.04 | roe_ | I generally run testing on my desktop |
| 06:09.17 | Cpudan80 | desktop |
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| 06:09.31 | Cpudan80 | well laptop |
| 06:09.44 | sep | paozinho, if you define use as "pacakges available for you to install if you wish" then yes |
| 06:09.58 | roe_ | debian recently started making "half" releases, software that has proven itself to be stable and don't need many additional libraries get released in the half version |
| 06:10.18 | roe_ | !etchandahalf |
| 06:10.18 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 06:10.35 | paozinho | sep: because...I'm something like "tired" of Ubuntu..cause they ship with pulseaudio and have a lot of bugs...ALSA is more stable...pulseaudio dont let you listen two thinks in the same device..agree ? |
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| 06:10.45 | sep | Cpudan80, well if you are familiar with debian you can run testing. |
| 06:11.00 | sep | paozinho, nobody holds a gun to your head and force you to install it if that is what you mean |
| 06:11.03 | Cpudan80 | not terribly familiar with debian |
| 06:11.12 | Cpudan80 | but familiar with ubuntu/suse... |
| 06:11.16 | roe_ | paozinho, in depends on the how the programs try to send audio to the sound card |
| 06:11.35 | Cpudan80 | I prefer the dkpg distros |
| 06:11.36 | eddieBB_ | can anyone help me with installing Flash for Konqueror browser? i've installed it but i'm still being asked to install flash whenever i try to view a website containing flash |
| 06:11.42 | Cpudan80 | over rpm |
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| 06:11.50 | roe_ | I can listen to an shoutcast and watch an avi with mplayer at the same time |
| 06:11.54 | paozinho | roe_: the skype program is troubling me here...and Flash (blergh) too. |
| 06:11.56 | Cpudan80 | plus suse messes up gnome |
| 06:12.22 | roe_ | both are binary blobs aren't they? |
| 06:12.32 | roe_ | !skype |
| 06:12.32 | dpkg | skype is a proprietary cross-platform VoIP program and is an evil obfuscated black-box that could be communicating *absolutely* any of your data with third parties. It is not in Debian because we are not allowed to distribute it. Packages are available from http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ or use the sources.list line "deb http://download.skype.com/linux/repos/debian/ stable non-free" |
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| 06:12.40 | roe_ | yup, both blobs |
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| 06:13.44 | Zeyorez | is there a way to disable all this SRST failed (errno=16) crap when I boot the kernel |
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| 06:13.59 | roe_ | what is causing it? |
| 06:14.00 | Zeyorez | other than get a better motherboard |
| 06:14.28 | Zeyorez | I believe it's my motherboard telling the kernel there is drives attached when there isn't |
| 06:14.28 | roe_ | your IDE controller? |
| 06:14.39 | Zeyorez | Yeah |
| 06:14.47 | roe_ | are you using it? |
| 06:15.04 | Zeyorez | err, for my CD-ROM drive I'm guessing? |
| 06:15.09 | roe_ | then no |
| 06:15.25 | sep | Cpudan80, dependong on your bathing style, you can start with debian stable, and later upgrade to testing when confident. or just install the testing dierctly, i recomend you read about them to learn the difference, |
| 06:15.35 | Zeyorez | damn, guess I have to live with the 8 minute boot time |
| 06:15.53 | roe_ | to stop the kernel from complaining about buggy hardware, you can either stop the kernel module from loading or disable the hardware in the bios, eithe way you lose the ability to use said hardware |
| 06:16.06 | Cpudan80 | sep: Yeah - do you have any info on the differences? |
| 06:16.16 | Cpudan80 | sep: like a doc or something |
| 06:16.19 | roe_ | !lenny |
| 06:16.19 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the next Debian release, currently testing. To upgrade to lenny, ask me about <etch->lenny>. Lenny is the binoculars. Lenny will be known as version 5.0 and the schedule is set for release in Sept 2008 (but ask me about <wwlr>). A <moving target>. <testing>, or <lenny status> |
| 06:16.35 | eddieBB_ | can anyone help me with installing Flash for Konqueror browser? i've installed it but i'm still being asked to install flash whenever i try to view a website containing flash |
| 06:16.47 | Zeyorez | well, I don't really use my dvd burner much so meh disabling IDE controller |
| 06:17.11 | roe_ | a sata dvd burner is like $30 |
| 06:17.20 | roe_ | just fyi |
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| 06:17.29 | Zeyorez | I guess so, but I'm outta money |
| 06:17.41 | Zeyorez | Just bought 2 HD 4870's :d |
| 06:18.14 | infinitycircuit | Zeyorez, why? |
| 06:18.29 | Zeyorez | why who what |
| 06:18.50 | PiousMinion | How do I find out how much ram(not %) a specific process is using? |
| 06:19.02 | roe_ | math? |
| 06:19.46 | infinitycircuit | Zeyorez, why 2 HD 4870s? |
| 06:20.03 | Zeyorez | Crossfire, altho it doesn't seem to make much of a difference :S |
| 06:20.04 | roe_ | doesn't know what HD 4870 is |
| 06:20.13 | infinitycircuit | roe_, ati graphics card |
| 06:20.15 | Zeyorez | It's ATI's newest video card |
| 06:20.18 | roe_ | oh |
| 06:20.24 | icedtea | PiousMinion: "ps aux" will give you an *idea* |
| 06:20.26 | infinitycircuit | i'm content with my trusty hd 3650 :) |
| 06:20.47 | Zeyorez | Catalyst drivers are extremely buggy with 4870 though :( |
| 06:20.56 | PiousMinion | I already have an idea... it's just not a good one. :P |
| 06:20.59 | Zeyorez | ex. random things have white dots all over them |
| 06:21.02 | icedtea | PiousMinion: if you have a gnome you can use the System Monitor |
| 06:21.03 | infinitycircuit | after a few patches 2.6.26 works great with fglrx |
| 06:21.03 | paozinho | My Laptop Will work With Debian ??? |
| 06:21.16 | sep | Cpudan80, try http://www.debian.org/releases/ and then http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-choosing.en.html |
| 06:21.27 | PiousMinion | icedtea: gnome? I don't even have X. lol |
| 06:21.43 | icedtea | PiousMinion: just "ps aux" then. Or "top" |
| 06:21.52 | PiousMinion | yeah, both provide %. |
| 06:22.02 | PiousMinion | I don't want to do the math. |
| 06:22.07 | icedtea | no |
| 06:22.14 | infinitycircuit | PiousMinion, write a script to do it for you then |
| 06:22.45 | mx | what do i do when i get "There are stopped jobs. |
| 06:22.55 | icedtea | look under VSZ or RSS. use man ps |
| 06:22.59 | icedtea | PiousMinion: ^^ |
| 06:23.04 | PiousMinion | oh lord, I suppose I'll have to if there are no premade atrocities. |
| 06:23.06 | roe_ | mx type jobs in the cli |
| 06:23.28 | mx | [1]+ Stopped nano -w /etc/cron.d/directadmin_cron |
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| 06:23.37 | roe_ | fg |
| 06:23.42 | mx | eh? |
| 06:23.45 | roe_ | type fg |
| 06:23.57 | mx | it opens it |
| 06:24.00 | roe_ | you backgrounded a process |
| 06:24.08 | roe_ | ctrl+z |
| 06:24.15 | roe_ | and fg foregrounds the process |
| 06:24.33 | mx | done |
| 06:24.44 | mx | my amn cronjobs ar still not working :/ |
| 06:24.44 | eddieBB_ | can anyone help me with installing Flash for Konqueror browser? i've installed it but i'm still being asked to install flash whenever i try to view a website containing flash |
| 06:24.45 | roe_ | PiousMinion, use apt search for memory usage or something |
| 06:25.08 | icedtea | PiousMinion: vsz VSZ virtual memory size of the process in KiB (1024-byte units) |
| 06:25.52 | icedtea | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:25.53 | icedtea | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:26.04 | Cpudan80 | sep: thanks |
| 06:26.10 | PiousMinion | hmm, cool |
| 06:26.12 | mx | roe_ |
| 06:26.12 | mx | 11499 ? Ss 0:00 /usr/sbin/cron |
| 06:26.13 | mx | 20059 pts/0 R+ 0:00 grep cron |
| 06:26.29 | Cpudan80 | sep: so - how stable is testing in general, as stable as say Ubuntu, or more towards say, Fedora |
| 06:26.44 | roe_ | mx, ok? that is output from a ps |grep cron? |
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| 06:27.03 | mx | yeah |
| 06:27.13 | icedtea | Cpudan80: I've used testing for over 5 years, been very stable. I've noticed only a few bugs here and there |
| 06:27.14 | mx | does taht mean my crron is working? |
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| 06:27.36 | Cpudan80 | icedtea: and does it stay relatively up to do date (compared to say Ubuntu) ? |
| 06:28.00 | roe_ | Cpudan80, as you are not familiar with the Debian community I suggest reading a little at debian.org - The packages are at least as stable as the releases by the different communities |
| 06:28.12 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: keep it in windows |
| 06:28.13 | obnauticus | lol |
| 06:28.17 | roe_ | Debian is very stability and security focused |
| 06:28.23 | Cpudan80 | I dont even use windows |
| 06:28.29 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: :| |
| 06:28.32 | roe_ | expect stable to be *stable* |
| 06:28.32 | Cpudan80 | well in a VM I suppose |
| 06:28.33 | icedtea | Cpudan80: I like Ubuntu, but prefer debian because it has more apps. But I still like ubuntu |
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| 06:28.50 | ^shark_ | why is it that every morning when I reboot my workstation the time changes to PM and not AM? |
| 06:28.51 | minoru | roe_, the openssl prng bug says otherwise |
| 06:28.54 | Cpudan80 | icedtea: Ubuntu has too much junk loaded into it |
| 06:28.55 | ^shark_ | I am using these servers in my /etc/ntp.conf .... server 0.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst server 1.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst server 2.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst server 3.debian.pool.ntp.org iburst |
| 06:29.02 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: Ubuntu is not as stable as debian testing. |
| 06:29.08 | Cpudan80 | hrm |
| 06:29.13 | Cpudan80 | interesting comparison |
| 06:29.14 | icedtea | Cpudan80: yes. You can strip debian down or build it up on very little |
| 06:29.21 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: ubuntu is BASED on debian :\ |
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| 06:29.23 | eddieBB_ | can anyone help me with installing Flash for Konqueror browser? i've installed it but i'm still being asked to install flash whenever i try to view a website containing flash |
| 06:29.23 | obnauticus | for a reason. |
| 06:29.24 | roe_ | minoru, yes, and did you see how many different places you were saw the patch for that ssue |
| 06:29.32 | obnauticus | in fact their beta releases are just modified releases of debian testing. |
| 06:29.43 | roe_ | but yes, that was a fsk-up |
| 06:29.43 | Cpudan80 | really... |
| 06:29.58 | obnauticus | which makes them even less stable because more packages are added -- yes really... |
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| 06:29.59 | Cpudan80 | that might be enough to make me switch it up obnauticus |
| 06:30.03 | minoru | roe_, it went undetected for 2 years |
| 06:30.17 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: Consider gentoo if you are interested in stability |
| 06:30.24 | Cpudan80 | pfft |
| 06:30.28 | obnauticus | Gentoo, Slackware, or *BSD. |
| 06:30.34 | Cpudan80 | I like stable - but I dont wanna compile everything |
| 06:30.38 | obnauticus | If you can configure it correctly they are all golden. |
| 06:30.39 | roe_ | minoru, do you know how many more vulnerabilities have been undetected? |
| 06:30.40 | Cpudan80 | and I like debian anyway |
| 06:30.47 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: then debian is just fine |
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| 06:30.52 | obnauticus | im just giving some technical alternatives. |
| 06:30.58 | Cpudan80 | Now this might be a dumb question but... |
| 06:31.04 | minoru | it should've never happened... "I dunno what this line does but I'll remove it because valgrind complain" is not a valid reason to modify the main branch |
| 06:31.17 | Cpudan80 | If my hardware works fine in Ubuntu - it'll work fine in debian ? |
| 06:31.33 | Cpudan80 | The only nonfree driver I have is madwifi |
| 06:31.34 | obnauticus | Most likely. |
| 06:31.36 | roe_ | like I said t was a fsk-up, but all in all I trust debian over redhat or novell |
| 06:31.37 | minoru | Cpudan80, not necessarily |
| 06:31.39 | Cpudan80 | but thats not hard to do |
| 06:31.39 | kaeles | it "should" |
| 06:31.40 | kaeles | lol |
| 06:31.53 | Cpudan80 | minoru: minus non-free drivers |
| 06:31.59 | Cpudan80 | or well |
| 06:32.02 | Cpudan80 | "closed source" |
| 06:32.16 | eddieBB_ | can anyone help me with installing Flash for Konqueror browser? i've installed it but i'm still being asked to install flash whenever i try to view a website containing flash |
| 06:33.08 | kaeles | no clue eddieBB_ |
| 06:33.11 | obnauticus | Would anyone here happen to know what the link in dmesg looks like when one adds a new monitor? |
| 06:33.12 | kaeles | I would just install firefox :p |
| 06:33.16 | obnauticus | the line* |
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| 06:33.20 | roe_ | Cpudan80, there is an entire non-free repository, the only time had to compile something by hand in the last 4 was because I wanted to |
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| 06:33.46 | roe_ | s/4/4yrs |
| 06:33.58 | roe_ | m-a is a great tool |
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| 06:34.50 | obnauticus | what does m-a even stand for :\ |
| 06:34.50 | Cpudan80 | roe_: oh ok, so similar to ubuntu then with its world repo or whatever it is called |
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| 06:34.53 | Cpudan80 | Well guys |
| 06:34.55 | Cpudan80 | Thanks for the tips |
| 06:35.09 | roe_ | I think ubuntu uses universe/multiverse |
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| 06:35.18 | Cpudan80 | yeah that's what its called |
| 06:35.24 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: now get back home |
| 06:35.26 | obnauticus | points at ##windows-server |
| 06:35.30 | obnauticus | ##windows * |
| 06:35.35 | Cpudan80 | I dont use windows |
| 06:35.39 | obnauticus | ... |
| 06:35.40 | Cpudan80 | at all |
| 06:35.44 | obnauticus | you are consistantly in ##windows though |
| 06:35.55 | Cpudan80 | Used to be windows admin |
| 06:35.59 | obnauticus | oh :\ |
| 06:36.05 | obnauticus | Well that makes two of us :\ |
| 06:36.12 | roe_ | there is a #windows on freenode? |
| 06:36.14 | Cpudan80 | (Real life admin, not op) |
| 06:36.16 | roe_ | that is kind of funny |
| 06:36.21 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: same ... |
| 06:36.22 | Cpudan80 | Now I do network engineering |
| 06:36.29 | obnauticus | roe_: ya....it's interesting |
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| 06:36.33 | Cpudan80 | I watch the packets go by |
| 06:36.38 | Cpudan80 | sometimes I block them |
| 06:36.43 | roe_ | are the proposed solutions "install linux"? |
| 06:36.51 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: they are basically paying you to do what snort does ? |
| 06:37.01 | Cpudan80 | lol more than that |
| 06:37.04 | obnauticus | lol |
| 06:37.07 | obnauticus | snaps fingers |
| 06:37.27 | eddieBB_ | can anyone help me with installing Flash for Konqueror browser? i've installed it but i'm still being asked to install flash whenever i try to view a website containing flash |
| 06:37.28 | Cpudan80 | handle network auth, cable TV, CAT5/6/Fiber, network programming |
| 06:37.32 | Cpudan80 | Device configuration... |
| 06:37.47 | Cpudan80 | Today some guys digging hit my fiber |
| 06:37.47 | Zeyorez | lol how do I end a process that is running in my face |
| 06:37.58 | roe_ | running in your face? |
| 06:37.58 | Zeyorez | ctrl+C doesn't work for it :( |
| 06:37.59 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: how'd you deal with that? |
| 06:37.59 | obnauticus | lol |
| 06:38.07 | Cpudan80 | it turned out it was Verizon's fiber |
| 06:38.09 | roe_ | Zeyorez, do you have the pid? |
| 06:38.10 | Cpudan80 | :-) |
| 06:38.11 | Zeyorez | i didn't know how to word it rofl |
| 06:38.13 | Zeyorez | no |
| 06:38.20 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: did they cut it? |
| 06:38.24 | roe_ | can you open a terminal? |
| 06:38.27 | icedtea | Cpudan80: ha, us and a few blocks at work lost because someone cut fiber by digging |
| 06:38.34 | Cpudan80 | Cut isn't the word I would use |
| 06:38.38 | Cpudan80 | I would say mutilated |
| 06:38.41 | Zeyorez | uh |
| 06:38.44 | obnauticus | fail. |
| 06:38.50 | Cpudan80 | not simple snip "Oops" |
| 06:38.56 | Cpudan80 | More like chainsaw down the line |
| 06:38.57 | Zeyorez | nevermind, the process finally gave up |
| 06:39.07 | Zeyorez | never try running 2 mysql's at once >.> |
| 06:39.09 | Cpudan80 | I was like "so where is the rest of hte fiber?" |
| 06:39.11 | *** part/#debian edistar_ (n=edistar@ip503ddd09.speed.planet.nl) |
| 06:39.14 | Cpudan80 | "We cut it" |
| 06:39.22 | obnauticus | that stuff costs a lot |
| 06:39.22 | obnauticus | lol |
| 06:39.24 | Cpudan80 | some 6 ft piece |
| 06:39.27 | obnauticus | wow |
| 06:39.39 | obnauticus | Verizon probably had someone out ther elike in 20min |
| 06:39.42 | icedtea | how the hell does that stuff get fixed? |
| 06:39.48 | obnauticus | They have a pretty good NOC |
| 06:39.49 | roe_ | splices |
| 06:39.49 | Cpudan80 | dunno |
| 06:39.52 | Cpudan80 | I dont fix it |
| 06:39.57 | Cpudan80 | not that kind anyway |
| 06:40.00 | obnauticus | Splicing is a bitch. |
| 06:40.10 | Cpudan80 | It might have been our fiber |
| 06:40.12 | obnauticus | cisco forced me to learn at age 13 |
| 06:40.15 | obnauticus | lol. |
| 06:40.25 | Cpudan80 | Its hard to tell --- we turned off some links in the area they cut |
| 06:40.34 | Cpudan80 | VZ also runs fiber in the same area |
| 06:40.42 | roe_ | fat fiber isn't that hard to splice, it is when you get to the singlemode shit that splicing gets interesting |
| 06:40.54 | obnauticus | roe_: im talking about single/multimode |
| 06:41.00 | Cpudan80 | pfft |
| 06:41.04 | Cpudan80 | I just replace those cables |
| 06:41.12 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: how do you think the ends get on them? |
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| 06:41.16 | Cpudan80 | of course I only deal with prob... 15ft pieces |
| 06:41.27 | obnauticus | I have fiber going through walls here, in my home. |
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| 06:41.38 | obnauticus | two links from upstairs to downstairs with two swithces on both sides |
| 06:41.40 | obnauticus | sonet ring! |
| 06:41.43 | Cpudan80 | Why? |
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| 06:41.50 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: i do a lot of high def streaming |
| 06:41.51 | Cpudan80 | you really need that much speed? |
| 06:41.57 | Cpudan80 | Within your house? |
| 06:41.59 | obnauticus | yes |
| 06:42.02 | obnauticus | to like 3 different TV's. |
| 06:42.03 | Cpudan80 | hardcore |
| 06:42.05 | obnauticus | I have them link aggregated |
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| 06:42.08 | roe_ | fiber isn't necessarily faster than copper |
| 06:42.09 | obnauticus | 802.1ad |
| 06:42.27 | roe_ | cat 6 is rated for 10Ge |
| 06:42.38 | obnauticus | I pull faster speeds than that :\ |
| 06:42.54 | Cpudan80 | Good grief |
| 06:43.01 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: i have a Foundry Networks BigIron |
| 06:43.11 | Cpudan80 | obnauticus: mainly I do the programming -- other guys do the tech stuff |
| 06:43.24 | obnauticus | A Cisco Catalyst (pretty standard) and an Extreme NEtworks Alpine 3808 |
| 06:43.25 | Cpudan80 | obnauticus: They send me out on calls when they are in bad shape lol |
| 06:43.38 | obnauticus | Have you used JunOs |
| 06:43.39 | Cpudan80 | nice equipment |
| 06:43.41 | obnauticus | I have an M20 sitting here |
| 06:43.43 | obnauticus | that's even better |
| 06:43.49 | Cpudan80 | Oh yes we've used them all |
| 06:43.54 | obnauticus | I hate JunOS |
| 06:43.57 | obnauticus | it's like an IOS wanna-be |
| 06:43.58 | Cpudan80 | Cisco/Enterasys/Anagran/Juniper |
| 06:43.59 | Cpudan80 | .... |
| 06:44.02 | kaeles | so, what you do is run 2 or 3 cat6 connections for each thing, and bond them |
| 06:44.05 | kaeles | dont be a weenie |
| 06:44.09 | Cpudan80 | But that's not my dept |
| 06:44.14 | Cpudan80 | I dont do the purchasing |
| 06:44.23 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: I don't have a job yet |
| 06:44.26 | Cpudan80 | I just say "that one has a cool python library, I like that one |
| 06:44.28 | obnauticus | I'm not old enough to get a summer IT job |
| 06:44.31 | obnauticus | im only 16 :\ |
| 06:44.39 | Cpudan80 | This is for my campus IT |
| 06:44.52 | obnauticus | I have better equptment than my school |
| 06:44.56 | obnauticus | we have fiber links to each wing |
| 06:45.05 | obnauticus | which is pretty nice |
| 06:45.08 | roe_ | Cisco is overpriced crap |
| 06:45.22 | obnauticus | and an OC3 which is trunked to the district office |
| 06:45.32 | obnauticus | Where they hav ean OC48 that goes to the outside world. |
| 06:45.37 | obnauticus | after filters and stuff |
| 06:45.42 | Cpudan80 | hey |
| 06:45.52 | Cpudan80 | Does debian have that same HDD flaw that Ubuntu has? |
| 06:45.55 | Cpudan80 | for laptops? |
| 06:45.55 | roe_ | goes to bed |
| 06:46.02 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: What is it |
| 06:46.05 | obnauticus | I'm on a laptop right now |
| 06:46.05 | Cpudan80 | the same fix prob works |
| 06:46.20 | Cpudan80 | something about it wearing down the HDD life |
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| 06:46.29 | obnauticus | I've heard this thing click like 3 times |
| 06:46.30 | obnauticus | lol |
| 06:46.32 | obnauticus | it never fails |
| 06:46.38 | Cpudan80 | excessive disk swaps or something |
| 06:46.38 | obnauticus | Probably because it's made by IBM :| |
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| 06:47.09 | infinitycircuit | obnauticus, you do realize ibm was involved in one of the biggest drive malfunctions in recent history with the X40/T40s? |
| 06:47.20 | obnauticus | Whoever designed this thing was like high on crack though, because it on;y has the red nipple between G and H. |
| 06:47.23 | Cpudan80 | I have some little hacks in this box -- mainly for tiny hardware things (like this HDD fix) --- will those work with debian ? |
| 06:47.30 | obnauticus | infinitycircuit: i wa swaiting for someone to call that one :P |
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| 06:47.33 | obnauticus | it was a joke |
| 06:47.38 | infinitycircuit | haha |
| 06:47.53 | infinitycircuit | i was pretty sure it was since IBM outsources their hds to other companies nowadays anyway |
| 06:47.58 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: they probably will :\ |
| 06:47.58 | Cpudan80 | I mean the baseline is the same - so the little tweaks should work in general, correct? |
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| 06:48.03 | Cpudan80 | ok |
| 06:48.04 | obnauticus | I don't know :\ |
| 06:48.12 | kaeles | they sold their hdd business to hitachi I thought |
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| 06:48.16 | obnauticus | Ask the people who wrote them or start up a errr |
| 06:48.23 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: link me to the fix for the laptop hard dtrive thing |
| 06:48.25 | obnauticus | i'll test it on here |
| 06:48.29 | OpenTokix | kaeles: yes |
| 06:48.32 | Cpudan80 | Well I can always go and search |
| 06:48.50 | infinitycircuit | kaeles, yes, but they haven't put IBM hdd in laptops at least for a while... |
| 06:49.14 | infinitycircuit | *hadn't |
| 06:49.21 | kaeles | yea |
| 06:49.26 | Cpudan80 | obnauticus: the bug report says Debian fix released |
| 06:49.29 | kaeles | because everyone was tired of them exploding |
| 06:49.39 | OpenTokix | The ibm drive failures, was due to malfunctioning firmware =) |
| 06:49.47 | obnauticus | oh ok Cpudan80 |
| 06:49.49 | icedtea | anyone here use VirtualBox? can you use the same virtual disk image under linux and windows? |
| 06:50.03 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: ##for-the-windows |
| 06:50.08 | obnauticus | linux vs. windows discussion |
| 06:50.08 | obnauticus | lol |
| 06:50.25 | OpenTokix | icedtea: I have done that |
| 06:50.28 | OpenTokix | icedtea: it works |
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| 06:50.36 | OpenTokix | icedtea: I moved a diskimage between linux, os x and windows |
| 06:50.37 | Cpudan80 | obnauticus: what else is new |
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| 06:50.47 | mrak | hello there |
| 06:50.48 | icedtea | OpenTokix: sweet, thanks. |
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| 06:50.52 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: i made that channel because I was surprised it didn't exist on freenode already :\ |
| 06:50.52 | eddieBB_ | can anyone help me with installing Flash for Konqueror browser? i've installed it but i'm still being asked to install flash whenever i try to view a website containing flash |
| 06:51.13 | Cpudan80 | hmm |
| 06:51.15 | LamerC | how can I take control of my network settings. everytime I use 'Network settings' to set up some setting. |
| 06:51.33 | obnauticus | Heh in gnome where are the display settings at |
| 06:51.34 | icedtea | OpenTokix: was the diskimage consisting of a windows os or linux one? |
| 06:51.35 | mrak | could u tell me what are different between all version of nfs |
| 06:51.41 | LamerC | When I deactivate the card though, it automatically gets reactivated |
| 06:51.45 | mrak | and wich is default |
| 06:51.46 | mrak | ? |
| 06:52.01 | Cpudan80 | obnauticus: the only other tweaks I can think of are for like the bootsplash (it wasnt showing up) |
| 06:52.01 | LamerC | and my settings get erased |
| 06:52.47 | obnauticus | Cpudan80: framebuffer support too |
| 06:52.58 | Cpudan80 | framebuffer? |
| 06:53.12 | obnauticus | http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/h/3124 |
| 06:53.14 | OpenTokix | icedtea: both I think |
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| 06:53.55 | Cpudan80 | does lenny have a more GUI-fied installer? |
| 06:54.00 | Cpudan80 | or is all command line still? |
| 06:54.12 | Cpudan80 | or well x dialogs I guess |
| 06:54.12 | infinitycircuit | Cpudan80, boot "installgui" |
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| 06:54.18 | icedtea | OpenTokix: I'm a afraid of windows server 2003 needing reactivation because the hardware drivers are different |
| 06:54.31 | Cpudan80 | infinitycircuit: where do you type that? |
| 06:54.35 | OpenTokix | icedtea: no, the hardware drivers are not |
| 06:54.49 | infinitycircuit | Cpudan80, when you boot the cd |
| 06:55.00 | infinitycircuit | Cpudan80, if you download a lenny beta 2 biz card it will show up with a bunch of modes |
| 06:55.01 | OpenTokix | icedtea: the whole point, it should be the same |
| 06:55.02 | icedtea | OpenTokix: good. Have you ever used VMware? Is virtualbox pretty same speedwise? |
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| 06:55.10 | infinitycircuit | obnauticus, that link is fantastically out of date |
| 06:55.16 | icedtea | OpenTokix: thats what I expected, but wanted to verify |
| 06:55.18 | OpenTokix | icedtea: no, virtualbox is somewhat slower - but free:er |
| 06:55.19 | LamerC | It seems that NetworkManager is doing this so is there a way I can override NM or configure it custom |
| 06:55.26 | Cpudan80 | icedtea: I've used both, similar speeds |
| 06:55.36 | Cpudan80 | I would say VMWare was a little faster |
| 06:55.56 | infinitycircuit | someone claimed windows xp installed in 20 min in vbox and 36 min in vmware with equivalent settings on the same hw |
| 06:56.03 | Cpudan80 | OK well |
| 06:56.04 | infinitycircuit | but i don't know if that has really been seriously tested |
| 06:56.12 | Cpudan80 | time for me to go to bed |
| 06:56.15 | Cpudan80 | What? |
| 06:56.17 | icedtea | nite |
| 06:56.19 | Cpudan80 | That isnt true |
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| 06:56.31 | Cpudan80 | infinitycircuit: It takes like 4 minutes in VMWare |
| 06:56.36 | Cpudan80 | hell maybe 2 |
| 06:56.42 | Cpudan80 | Havent booted it in forever |
| 06:56.53 | infinitycircuit | Cpudan80, install, not boot. |
| 06:57.04 | Cpudan80 | power on |
| 06:57.07 | Cpudan80 | oh |
| 06:57.09 | Cpudan80 | missed that |
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| 06:57.14 | Cpudan80 | yeah it took about a half hour |
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| 06:57.56 | icedtea | I like the interface to virtualbox better |
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| 07:00.41 | obnauticus | heh, does anyone here have a laptop that runs debian that they hook up to a projector? |
| 07:00.49 | obnauticus | Because I'm wondering about how one would configure that :\ |
| 07:01.28 | extor | just use winders |
| 07:01.32 | obnauticus | ... |
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| 07:02.05 | extor | I guess it is simply two screens |
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| 07:03.32 | obnauticus | extor: ya it is, I read that it varies from card to card though |
| 07:03.58 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm trying to get the nvidia drivers setup in lenny, but when I do the one-liner for post etch from dpkg I get Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
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| 07:05.37 | obnauticus | yay |
| 07:05.38 | obnauticus | i just got it working |
| 07:05.42 | obnauticus | silly function keys |
| 07:06.36 | icedtea | K|NgGh0sT: what kernel are you using? |
| 07:06.55 | K|NgGh0sT | 2.6.25-2-686 |
| 07:07.14 | icedtea | XEN is enabled on those kernels, you won't be able to get the nvidia drivers working |
| 07:07.30 | icedtea | its a bug |
| 07:07.48 | icedtea | even the kernel without XEN listed has XEN enabled |
| 07:07.59 | icedtea | and the nvidia drivers refuse to work with that |
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| 07:08.15 | K|NgGh0sT | so what do I do? |
| 07:08.46 | icedtea | I didn't have time to fix it, there might be a work around, try google or something. besides that I thought you had to download the drivers from nvidia's website since they are mostly closed source |
| 07:09.09 | icedtea | if you are not using 3d just use the "nv" driver, its fine for 2d |
| 07:09.18 | icedtea | I miss compiz though :( |
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| 07:09.42 | Pollero | icedtea: thats not actually true. I got Xen enabled kernel, xen running and i got nvidia drivers with Compiz working |
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| 07:10.24 | icedtea | Pollero: how? I tried two different versions and they both bitched about XEN |
| 07:10.30 | eddieBB_ | is it safe for me to download this? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/konqueror-plugin-gnash |
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| 07:10.49 | Pollero | icedtea: when you compile nvidia drivers you have to choose some option (dont remember what) something like xen-enable=1 |
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| 07:11.55 | icedtea | yes, I tried that as well, but it still bitched about some xen related material in various header files. I'll have to try it later again |
| 07:12.21 | Pollero | icedtea: it was pretty fuck but it could be done |
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| 07:12.57 | eddieBB_ | can someone help me with how to install this? http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/konqueror-plugin-gnash |
| 07:13.59 | icedtea | eddieBB_: open up a command line window and type: apt-get install konqueror-plugin-gnash |
| 07:14.04 | icedtea | as root |
| 07:14.11 | icedtea | or use sudo |
| 07:14.44 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: E: Broken packages |
| 07:15.58 | icedtea | eddieBB_: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 07:16.07 | eddieBB_ | Etch |
| 07:16.23 | K|NgGh0sT | hrmm, gonna upgrade to sid sources and install the nvidia drivers that way |
| 07:16.27 | K|NgGh0sT | Lets see if I can break this |
| 07:16.55 | icedtea | Pollero: where did you download the nvidia driver from? nvidia.com? |
| 07:17.00 | Pollero | icedtea: yea |
| 07:17.05 | icedtea | !dpkg etch |
| 07:17.05 | dpkg | Etch is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 4.0, released on April 8th, 2007. Ask me about <install debian>. Please read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes which also contain the upgrade procedure for upgrading from the previous version of Debian stable (<sarge>). Ask me about <stable>. currently <4.0r4> |
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| 07:17.29 | icedtea | eddieBB_: did you: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 07:17.30 | icedtea | ? |
| 07:17.52 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: yes. this is what i get http://pastebin.ca/1167621 |
| 07:19.03 | K|NgGh0sT | I knew going to lenny wouldn't work, should of stayed in SID |
| 07:19.56 | icedtea | !dpkg sid |
| 07:19.56 | dpkg | methinks sid is the <unstable> version of Debian. It's named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. It is NOT an acronym, but is sometimes backronymed Still In Development anyway. Ask me about <unstable>. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. See <sid faq>" |
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| 07:20.24 | icedtea | I always forget the debian names |
| 07:20.27 | icedtea | eddieBB_: hrm |
| 07:21.06 | icedtea | eddieBB_: check aptitude to see if klash or any other packages are being held back |
| 07:21.21 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: how do i do that? |
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| 07:23.32 | icedtea | eddieBB_: I'm trying to figure that out. Its been awhile since I've had to do it |
| 07:24.32 | icedtea | ok |
| 07:24.47 | icedtea | eddieBB_: open up a command line window and type: apt-get -f install konqueror-plugin-gnash |
| 07:24.58 | icedtea | the -f might fix the broken depends |
| 07:25.56 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: still broken |
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| 07:26.53 | icedtea | run: aptitude |
| 07:26.58 | icedtea | do a search for klash |
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| 07:27.06 | tetraedr | hi people |
| 07:27.08 | icedtea | tell me what it says there |
| 07:27.12 | icedtea | hello |
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| 07:27.38 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: how do i do that? sorry, i'm still new to Linux. |
| 07:27.40 | tetraedr | I've setted up Sound Blaster Live 5.1, did alsaconf and alsamixer (to set volume), but I don't have any sound :( |
| 07:27.51 | icedtea | eddieBB_: no problem |
| 07:28.15 | icedtea | eddieBB_: once you're in aptitude, hit the '/' key |
| 07:28.21 | tetraedr | and in /var/log/messages I've got: ACPI: PCI Interrupt 0000:04:08.0[A] -> Link [LNKA] -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19 and 04:08.0 is a Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 0a) |
| 07:28.26 | tetraedr | what should I do? |
| 07:28.46 | icedtea | tetraedr: do you have mutliple sound cards installed? |
| 07:28.55 | icedtea | *multiple |
| 07:29.00 | tetraedr | icedtea, no, I've got onboard one, but I've disabled it in BIOS |
| 07:29.10 | icedtea | hrm |
| 07:29.20 | tetraedr | icedtea, by the way it doesn't work too, also my chipset is nVidia |
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| 07:29.56 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: i see klash and konqueror-plugin-gnash, and 8 more but they don't contain 'klash' in the title. |
| 07:30.11 | icedtea | tetraedr: do you have gnome installed? |
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| 07:30.44 | tetraedr | icedtea, had, now got KDE |
| 07:30.49 | icedtea | tetraedr: did you try modprobe the driver in? |
| 07:31.03 | icedtea | or lsmod |
| 07:31.12 | tetraedr | snd_emu10k1&co. are loaded |
| 07:31.37 | icedtea | are you using a stock kernel or one of your own? |
| 07:32.07 | tetraedr | icedtea, stock one |
| 07:32.12 | icedtea | hrm |
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| 07:32.25 | icedtea | eddieBB_: thats weird |
| 07:32.34 | icedtea | eddieBB_: one sec |
| 07:32.38 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: okay |
| 07:33.28 | tetraedr | icedtea, but there is one issue: initially it was debian etch x86 then I've changed sources.list and apt-get update upgrade and installed kernel 2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| 07:34.01 | tetraedr | icedtea, or maybe the problem is that I've got nForce chipset? |
| 07:34.52 | tetraedr | any ideas? |
| 07:35.01 | icedtea | tetraedr: I doubt it. I would use one of the kde sound volume controllers and check to make sure they aren't mute |
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| 07:35.49 | icedtea | I had an issue with my audigy having really strange names for its main volume |
| 07:35.57 | tetraedr | icedtea, I've started Kmix - everything is ok, they aren't muted |
| 07:36.10 | icedtea | the surround sound outputs have really strange names and confuses things |
| 07:36.19 | tetraedr | I think the trouble is abot that interrupt in /var/log/messages |
| 07:37.19 | tetraedr | went installing driver for video, will be back in 5-7 minutes |
| 07:38.18 | ^shark_ | how do I convert a .txt file to .csv? |
| 07:38.30 | icedtea | eddieBB_: working on it one sec |
| 07:38.34 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: np |
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| 07:40.54 | icedtea | eddieBB_: that package isn't in etch/stable |
| 07:41.08 | icedtea | one sec |
| 07:42.04 | icedtea | eddieBB_: konqueror-plugin-gnash isn't available for etch/stable |
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| 07:42.25 | icedtea | thats your problem |
| 07:42.28 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: so there's no way i can install flash? |
| 07:43.20 | icedtea | hrm. I'm not sure. |
| 07:43.22 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: would this first Linux method work? http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/ |
| 07:43.22 | icedtea | one sec |
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| 07:44.01 | maligor | eddieBB_, you can use those if you have 32bit x86/Linux |
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| 07:44.26 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: i have Etch. will that work? |
| 07:44.34 | maligor | and if konqueror supports ns plugins |
| 07:44.46 | icedtea | eddieBB_: I think it should. but I'm not sure if that will work with konqueror |
| 07:44.55 | icedtea | it would work for firefox/iceweasel |
| 07:45.09 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: i can't run iceweasel |
| 07:45.15 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: wish i could |
| 07:45.21 | icedtea | eddieBB_: how come? |
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| 07:45.29 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: cairo problem |
| 07:45.33 | maligor | konqueror-nsplugins perhaps? |
| 07:46.10 | icedtea | konqueror-plugin-gnash isn't avail for etch |
| 07:46.23 | icedtea | unless its on the web somewhere out there other than debian.org |
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| 07:46.47 | icedtea | oh konqueror-nsplugins might work |
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| 07:46.54 | icedtea | try that eddieBB_ |
| 07:47.10 | tetraedr | fuck that! nothing works :( how do I make my system 100% standard to lenny on x86_64? |
| 07:47.45 | icedtea | eddieBB_: apt-get install konqueror-nsplugins |
| 07:48.16 | tetraedr | any ideas on how to move to x86_64? |
| 07:48.17 | icedtea | eddieBB_: than download the firefox plugin |
| 07:48.32 | icedtea | tetraedr: I have no experience whatsover in that area, sorry :( |
| 07:48.36 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: firefox plugin? |
| 07:48.47 | tetraedr | icedtea, pity :( |
| 07:49.10 | icedtea | eddieBB_: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/productinfo/instructions/ |
| 07:49.21 | tetraedr | went reinstalling to openSuSE |
| 07:49.55 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: tar.gz right? |
| 07:50.23 | icedtea | eddieBB_: yeah, there might be an easier way of doing this. I thought you could apt-get the adobe flash player somehow but I guess not |
| 07:50.36 | simonrvn | !non-free |
| 07:50.36 | dpkg | it has been said that non-free is a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 07:50.42 | simonrvn | from there |
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| 07:50.52 | icedtea | simonrvn: thanks a ton |
| 07:50.59 | icedtea | eddieBB_: check that out |
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| 07:52.19 | simonrvn | !non-free sources |
| 07:52.19 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
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| 07:53.06 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: still not working : ( |
| 07:53.40 | simonrvn | read that ^^ |
| 07:53.56 | icedtea | eddieBB_: did you add the non-free sources to sources.list? you could apt-get the adobe flash player after that |
| 07:54.31 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: yes. it said "Adobe Flash Player Installed" |
| 07:54.42 | mrAZ | i need liblame0 and not libmp3lame0 on testing. how do i make it without breaking everything possible ? |
| 07:55.12 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: then i restarted my browser but it's still not letting me view flash |
| 07:55.14 | obnauticus | What's the package that encrypts your whole filesystem and asks for a password at boot? |
| 07:55.28 | obnauticus | and can you install it on a pre-existing install? Or is it new installs only |
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| 07:57.06 | bringatowel | dmcrypt luks |
| 07:57.37 | bringatowel | you can install the software on existing system, but the install can automatically configure it |
| 07:58.02 | icedtea | eddieBB_: hrm. I don't think konqueror see the flash plugin yet. I'm searching the web. do the same. I still try to help you though |
| 07:59.00 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: yes, i've tried that aswell. so installing the gz file from adobe won't work? |
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| 08:00.24 | obnauticus | bringatowel: does it take a while to install to a pre-existing install |
| 08:01.13 | icedtea | eddieBB_: it should. but I don't know how to get konqueror to see it. |
| 08:01.18 | bringatowel | obnauticus, its quite easy to install, a bit more difficult to set up but there are some good guides |
| 08:01.39 | icedtea | eddieBB_: what version of konqueror do you have? |
| 08:01.40 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: ya, same here |
| 08:01.55 | obnauticus | is it on aptitude bringatowel ? If so, what's the package name? |
| 08:01.59 | mrAZ | so packaged depending on liblame0 simply cannot coexist on the same system. one is breaking the other. testing multimedia renamed on libmp3lame0. i tried to cheat and install it from stable, but then it breaks libavcodec and others. |
| 08:02.05 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: 3.5.5 |
| 08:02.13 | obnauticus | dm-crypt? |
| 08:02.17 | obnauticus | oh found it |
| 08:02.29 | bringatowel | obnauticus, yeah the main ones are dm crypt and luks |
| 08:02.39 | obnauticus | which one is better? |
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| 08:04.09 | icedtea | eddieBB_: try this. Second, start Konqueror, and open the "Konqueror Settings..." dialog. There is now a new Netscape Plugins section. Go there and press the "Scan for new plugins" button. |
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| 08:05.07 | mrAZ | i really don't like when people are doing this. it's like stepping on each others toes. silly. |
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| 08:07.07 | icedtea | eddieBB_: oh, thats, start konqueror, go to Settings menu option, then Configure Konqueror |
| 08:07.08 | zu22 | hey guys i am getting a strange emacs error every time i run it (gnu emacs 21.4a+1-3etch1 on Debian 4.0): emacs: /usr/local/lib/libpng12.so.0: no version information available (required by emacs). I have libpng12-0 and libpng12-dev installed. I don't know why I am getting PNG library error for emacs. So weird. |
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| 08:07.36 | icedtea | eddieBB_: then scroll down to "Plugins" on the left side, there should be an icon there for that too |
| 08:07.50 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: yes, i'm there. i scanned |
| 08:08.02 | icedtea | eddieBB_: did it find it? |
| 08:08.18 | hid3__ | Morning everyone. In my system I have user logins with pattern NameSurname. Is there any way to extend width of the columns in `last' so I could see the full login name? |
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| 08:08.41 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: it found mozilla and netscape plugins |
| 08:08.53 | Trewas | mrAZ: liblame or libmp3lame are not in debian, with unofficial packages that kind of problems may happen |
| 08:08.59 | harpal | !hcl |
| 08:09.00 | dpkg | [hcl] at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/, http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/, <pciid ... [xxxx:yyyy] ala lspci -nn> |
| 08:10.08 | icedtea | eddieBB_: it should work. I'm on konqueror 3.5.9 and it found my mozilla flash plugin |
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| 08:10.38 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: i have 3.5.5. is that why? |
| 08:11.21 | icedtea | eddieBB_: I doubt it. I don't think the plugin was installed correctly or its in a weird location. do you know where it was installed to? |
| 08:11.35 | mrAZ | Trewas: i know, and are very frustrating when you run software depending on it. |
| 08:11.47 | icedtea | eddieBB_: did you download the tar.gz flash package or use the non-free sources? |
| 08:11.52 | icedtea | !dpkg non-free |
| 08:11.52 | dpkg | non-free is, like, a component which contains software that does not comply with the <DFSG>. To add non-free packages to your packages index, ask me about <non-free sources>. To see which non-free packages are installed on your system, ask me about <vrms>. For the Non-free tracking system, see http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 08:11.54 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: i didn't install it to an exact location. i just did apt-get install |
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| 08:12.02 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: non-free |
| 08:12.17 | icedtea | !non-free sources |
| 08:12.17 | dpkg | rumour has it, non-free sources is edit /etc/apt/sources.list, ensure that the two main debian mirror lines end with "main contrib non-free" rather than just "main", then aptitude update. But bear in mind that you'll be installing <non-free> software. These may have onerous terms; check the licenses. |
| 08:12.39 | icedtea | eddieBB_: I don't know then. |
| 08:12.40 | icedtea | hrm |
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| 08:13.00 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: how do i install to an exact location? and where should i install it to? |
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| 08:13.51 | icedtea | eddieBB_: what was the package name for the flash plugin? |
| 08:13.57 | Trewas | mrAZ: that's why I usually compile the not-in-debian multimediastuff myself, fortunately mplayer/mencoder is all I need |
| 08:13.57 | icedtea | what did you apt-get? |
| 08:14.04 | kavish | hello |
| 08:14.16 | icedtea | kavish: hi |
| 08:14.16 | kavish | what is teh best free control panel to use with debian for web hosting? |
| 08:14.43 | Sling | bash |
| 08:14.48 | icedtea | hah |
| 08:14.57 | zu22 | anyone know how to make thumbnail images of 10x10 pixels using 'convert' and save in .png format? |
| 08:15.00 | kavish | all control panel requires you to have at least two ips (to configure dns) |
| 08:15.07 | kavish | i dont need to config dns |
| 08:15.10 | mrAZ | Trewas: i was just hoping that someone might have idea how to screw it up together better than breaking and updating packages every time you need to run the other app |
| 08:16.05 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: sorry, i had to get the phone |
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| 08:17.04 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: "apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree" |
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| 08:18.06 | icedtea | eddieBB_: open up a command line window and type: dpkg -L flashplugin-nonfree |
| 08:18.23 | icedtea | eddieBB_: that should give you an idea where it was installed |
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| 08:19.34 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: http://pastebin.ca/1167669 |
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| 08:21.11 | hid3__ | In my system I have user logins with pattern NameSurname. Is there any way to extend width of the columns in `last' so I could see the full login name? |
| 08:21.30 | icedtea | eddieBB_: well. wtf. konqueror should have found it |
| 08:22.05 | icedtea | eddieBB_: when you go to the configure window and plugins section check the plugins tab |
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| 08:22.53 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: load plug-ins on demand? |
| 08:23.07 | icedtea | eddieBB_: that won't matter. mine's unchecked and it still found it |
| 08:23.35 | icedtea | eddieBB_: do you see the Plugins tab? |
| 08:23.43 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: no |
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| 08:24.00 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: nvm yes |
| 08:24.28 | icedtea | eddieBB_: there should be a Scan and Plugins tabs |
| 08:24.53 | icedtea | inside the Plugins section |
| 08:24.58 | icedtea | if that makes sense |
| 08:25.12 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: yes |
| 08:25.42 | icedtea | when you click on the plugins tab do you see Netscape plugins and some other plugins listed? |
| 08:25.51 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: yes |
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| 08:26.05 | icedtea | any of them libflashplayer.so? |
| 08:26.18 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: yes |
| 08:26.18 | icedtea | it will have a directory prefix |
| 08:26.23 | icedtea | sweet! |
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| 08:26.29 | icedtea | it should be installed then |
| 08:26.31 | icedtea | try it now |
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| 08:28.07 | icedtea | if it doesn't work I'm slitting my wrists |
| 08:28.09 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: it seems to attempt to work but i get a crash error now |
| 08:28.13 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: haha |
| 08:28.39 | icedtea | what do ;you mean by attempt? |
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| 08:29.03 | icedtea | try it again |
| 08:29.28 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: before when i went to a page containing flash, it would tell me to download flash. now a blank white box appears then a crash box opens |
| 08:29.53 | icedtea | eddieBB_: oh great @_@ |
| 08:30.07 | ShredZ | I'm looking for a program that will allow me to draw a rectangle over part of the screen and take a screenshot of that rectangle only. Any ideas ? |
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| 08:30.39 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: http://i35.tinypic.com/28cosv4.png |
| 08:31.10 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: wow, i just did that to take ^ that screenshot. i have a Mac tho, sorry |
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| 08:32.28 | icedtea | great |
| 08:32.59 | icedtea | what about iceweasel? will it work for any flashes? |
| 08:33.15 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: probably. but i cannot run iceweasel |
| 08:33.33 | icedtea | eddieBB_: what do you mean by cario probs? |
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| 08:34.36 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: http://i37.tinypic.com/172udv.png |
| 08:34.44 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, I know, I have a mac at home too :/ |
| 08:34.54 | mangezoutianya | try scrot.a command line screen capture utility. |
| 08:34.55 | extor | http://xwinman.org/screenshots/fluxbox-jef.jpg <--- The skin on the XMMS player here, I really like it and want to make my own desktop into a theme like that. Frosted metalic with grey-green LCD for text. Which WM/Desktop would I be able to do this with best? |
| 08:35.28 | icedtea | eddieBB_: what type of processor are you running? |
| 08:35.39 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: not sure, how do i find that out? |
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| 08:36.15 | icedtea | eddieBB_: is it made by intel or motorola/ibm? |
| 08:36.28 | icedtea | eddieBB_: what kind of mac? |
| 08:36.44 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: oh, my Mac. yes it's intel |
| 08:37.02 | icedtea | eddieBB_: you're running this on the mac right? |
| 08:37.03 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: MacBook 2GHz Inter Core Duo |
| 08:37.17 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: Konqueror? |
| 08:37.23 | icedtea | eddieBB_: yeah |
| 08:37.30 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: no, on Debian |
| 08:37.41 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: i'm running Terminal on my Mac |
| 08:38.21 | icedtea | eddieBB_: so you're using a serial cable or telneted in? |
| 08:38.28 | icedtea | damn I'm confused |
| 08:38.38 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: VNCviewer |
| 08:39.04 | icedtea | but what is debian running on? another intel pc? or a intel mac? |
| 08:39.20 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: i'm not sure |
| 08:39.26 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: one sec |
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| 08:39.40 | simonrvn | eddieBB_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 08:40.16 | eddieBB_ | model name: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU T5500 @ 1.66GHz |
| 08:40.23 | icedtea | did you run konqueror as root? |
| 08:40.31 | eddieBB_ | nope |
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| 08:40.49 | icedtea | hrm |
| 08:41.38 | icedtea | but you're using vnc to connect right? these are two seperate boxes or are you using a vm? |
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| 08:42.28 | eddieBB_ | yes, i'm using vnc on my Mac to connect to the dedicated server (running Debian) |
| 08:44.02 | icedtea | the flash player might be having a similiar problem as iceweasel |
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| 08:44.24 | Banoof | hi, where can I find the init script which populates /dev with the startup? |
| 08:44.36 | icedtea | hrm |
| 08:44.46 | eddieBB_ | someone told me i could fix the iceweasel problem by changing something in vnc to 24bpps i think? but i can't figure out how to do that |
| 08:44.48 | tarzeau | Banoof: udev? |
| 08:44.55 | tarzeau | Banoof: in /etc/init.d |
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| 08:45.35 | Banoof | thanks :) |
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| 08:45.40 | icedtea | eddieBB_: what bit depth are yhou using now? 8? |
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| 08:46.20 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: yes, that's it bit depth. i think 8 but i'm not sure. how do i find that out? |
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| 08:47.14 | icedtea | type: xdpyinfo |
| 08:47.18 | icedtea | I mean |
| 08:47.22 | icedtea | xdpyinfo | less |
| 08:47.58 | eddieBB_ | unable to open display |
| 08:48.35 | eddieBB_ | nvm ya, it was 8 |
| 08:49.06 | icedtea | how did you start the vnc viewer? by icon? |
| 08:49.14 | eddieBB_ | yes |
| 08:50.32 | icedtea | check what argruments the program takes |
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| 08:50.32 | icedtea | find what the program is its running |
| 08:50.34 | icedtea | then on the command line try something like: vncviewer --help |
| 08:50.40 | icedtea | in OS X I mean |
| 08:51.03 | icedtea | or -help |
| 08:51.06 | eddieBB_ | check arguments? |
| 08:51.10 | icedtea | I mean |
| 08:51.34 | icedtea | if you type the program binary's name on the command line in OS X, and then add --help or -help or -h |
| 08:51.53 | icedtea | it will display what parameters it takes |
| 08:52.03 | eddieBB_ | -bash: vncviewer: command not found |
| 08:52.27 | icedtea | is vncviewer the program name? what program does the icon point to? |
| 08:53.00 | icedtea | I'm not fimiliar with OS X so you might have to figure part of this out for yourself |
| 08:53.22 | eddieBB_ | VNC Viewer |
| 08:53.25 | eddieBB_ | with a space |
| 08:53.29 | icedtea | ah |
| 08:53.37 | icedtea | that's the binary's name right? |
| 08:53.42 | eddieBB_ | yes |
| 08:53.54 | icedtea | is there a directory name there as well? |
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| 08:54.19 | eddieBB_ | ya, RealVNC |
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| 08:54.31 | icedtea | cd to that directory |
| 08:54.45 | icedtea | then type: VNC Viewer --help |
| 08:54.51 | icedtea | in OS X of course |
| 08:55.17 | icedtea | brb getting something to drink |
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| 08:58.31 | eddieBB_ | -bash: VNC Viewer.app: command not found |
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| 08:59.45 | icedtea | there's gotta be a way to start if from the command line. I don't know how OS X does such things. When you start the VNC Viewer do you get any menus or other options before it connects? |
| 09:00.16 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, you don't have to start the .app |
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| 09:00.38 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, you have to start the executable inside the .app somewhere, look for it with show pacakge contents from finder |
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| 09:00.54 | cr3rzemjest | hi |
| 09:01.10 | icedtea | how's it going |
| 09:01.11 | cr3rzemjest | is it ok to add unstable repo key only to install 1 app, and then remove repo key? |
| 09:01.31 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: search vnc in finder? |
| 09:01.53 | icedtea | cr3rzemjest: I don't see why not, as long as the app fully installs |
| 09:02.03 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, you have to right click VNC Viewer in the finder and click show package contents |
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| 09:02.27 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, then look for the executable and start that from bash instead of the .app file (which is in fact just a directory) |
| 09:02.46 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, also you might wanna use VNC\ Viewer.app to make sure bash gets the space |
| 09:02.49 | icedtea | ShredZ: ultimately he's just trying to get VNC in a usable bit depth |
| 09:03.25 | ShredZ | icedtea, I'm not near the mac so I am not sure how the app presents itself :( |
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| 09:03.32 | icedtea | ShredZ: me neither |
| 09:03.51 | icedtea | I would think it would have a command line parameter for that |
| 09:03.59 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: i don't have an option to show package contents |
| 09:05.02 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: i'm running Leopard if that makes a difference? |
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| 09:05.39 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, you can cd into the VNC Viewer.app directory from the command-line too... probably even issue a find command to find the executable inside the VNC\ Viewer.app folder but I don't know it |
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| 09:05.55 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: i can click options before i connect or while i'm connected |
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| 09:06.21 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, maybe someone in #macosx knows (or has a mac closeby) |
| 09:06.23 | icedtea | eddieBB_: is there any for bit depth before you are connected? |
| 09:06.45 | icedtea | eddieBB_: yeah, I would ask in there |
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| 09:06.54 | icedtea | if you find the option that is |
| 09:07.20 | icedtea | once you get it to work in a better bit depth come back here and we will still help you out with your debian problems |
| 09:07.20 | Corwin | is back from Defcon 16... |
| 09:07.50 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: nope, no bit depth. i'll try the mac channel. brb |
| 09:08.10 | eddieBB_ | what should i ask? |
| 09:08.38 | eddieBB_ | how to execute vnc? |
| 09:09.04 | icedtea | ask how to get Real VNC in a better bit depth. One other than 8 |
| 09:09.13 | Corwin | Does anyone have a clue why lsusb would show 6 devices as my normal user but all 12 devices when run as root? |
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| 09:11.54 | project2501a | hello |
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| 09:12.13 | ShredZ | icedtea, if his vncserver is serving at 8 bit obviously it won't help to increase it in the viewer |
| 09:12.31 | icedtea | oh I did not know that |
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| 09:13.00 | icedtea | its been awhile since I've used vnc... he has access to change that though |
| 09:13.07 | cr3rzemjest | jeez, why couldn't every package use the same settings, i mean, i install package that uses some weird program for html documantation formatting that is 80MB |
| 09:13.16 | project2501a | i'm trying to create a custom .deb for php 4.4.8. can i take the .dsc from 4.4.4-8 and use that as a guide? |
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| 09:13.53 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, how did you start the vnc server ? |
| 09:13.53 | Corwin | project2501a: you do know that php 4 is EOL, correct? |
| 09:14.00 | project2501a | thank god, yes :) |
| 09:14.05 | project2501a | praise be stallman :D |
| 09:14.25 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: i opened it from Applications |
| 09:14.27 | Corwin | :) |
| 09:14.42 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, the server with iceweasel ? |
| 09:15.16 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: no, on my Mac |
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| 09:15.44 | project2501a | Corwin: it's a requirement for one of my boxes. i need to make a reduntant copy of the original. the original runs 4.4.8 with the suhosin patch, and i can't find a similar package. so it's building by hand :( |
| 09:15.45 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: i'm trying to run IceWeasel. but someone told me i have to change the bit depth in VNC |
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| 09:16.12 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, iceweasel won't work if vncserver is started with -bgr parameter |
| 09:16.20 | Corwin | I doubt there is much difference between 4.4.4 and 4.4.8 as far as deb packaging goes but I don't really know enough about .dsc files to give you a knowledgable answer. |
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| 09:16.46 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: anyway to fix that? |
| 09:17.20 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, you can take a look at the VNC Server preferences and see if anything shows up there |
| 09:17.23 | Peanut | Can you configure ntpd with debconf and d-i? |
| 09:17.41 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, why you running iceweasel when firefox for mac is available anyway ? |
| 09:18.00 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: i want to run iceweasel on Debian |
| 09:18.10 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: i use Safari for Mac |
| 09:18.39 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, so you have to run a vncserver on debian too right ? and connect to it with vnc viewer for mac |
| 09:19.08 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: ya, i think so. not too sure |
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| 09:20.15 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: i think so, couldn't i just change the bit depth through the debian server? |
| 09:21.19 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, yes that's probably what you want to do |
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| 09:21.39 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: okay, how would i go about doing that? |
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| 09:21.50 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, vncserver -depth 16 -geometry 1024x768 :1 |
| 09:22.04 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, run that as the user you want to be in the vnc |
| 09:22.11 | Corwin | Does anyone have a clue why running lsusb as a user only shows some of my usb devices? |
| 09:22.52 | Corwin | project2501a: Hey do you know about checkinstall? |
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| 09:24.12 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: it says "A vnc server is already running at :1 |
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| 09:24.25 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, then run vncserver -kill :1 |
| 09:24.26 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: should i try 3 or something? |
| 09:24.38 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, or try a higher number yes |
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| 09:30.44 | Braden` | How do I remove a package and not remove packages that get broken dependancies because of the package removal? |
| 09:31.01 | tralala | Braden`, with dpkg |
| 09:31.14 | wols | you still get broken dependencies |
| 09:31.29 | wols | or what do you mean exactly? |
| 09:32.00 | eddieBB_ | ShredZ: haha. it works now. i've literally spent more than 12 hours in these channels trying to get this to work. thank you so much man. |
| 09:32.37 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: thank you aswell. i really appreciate the help |
| 09:33.01 | ShredZ | eddieBB_, you're welcome :) |
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| 09:33.49 | ari_stress | hi all |
| 09:34.07 | ari_stress | is there any reference on what files in /etc/network means? |
| 09:34.19 | icedtea | eddieBB_: is konqueror working now as well with flash? |
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| 09:34.41 | project2501a | wtf |
| 09:34.48 | cplx | anyone here used an APC SmartUPS? They have a 'bypass and online switch' at the back, can this be changed manually while servers and equipment are attached? |
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| 09:34.58 | eddieBB_ | icedtea: no, but IceWeasel is. i only wanted Konqueror to work since i couldn't get IceWeasel to |
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| 09:35.21 | wols | cplx: #hardware |
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| 09:36.30 | project2501a | in soviet russia, source compiles you! |
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| 09:41.26 | js_ | i have a frozen jfs partition, is there a way to make it work again without rebooting? |
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| 09:47.27 | _Progress_ | hi, can someone look at this - http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=169156#169156 ? |
| 09:47.33 | icedtea | project2501a: lol |
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| 09:54.59 | kailiey | Hello. Does anyone know of a doc/howto for getting xfs running on etch? |
| 09:56.18 | icedtea | anyone here have problems with vmware with lenny? |
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| 09:57.14 | OpenTokix | kailiey: apt-get install xfsprogs |
| 09:57.20 | Texou | hi |
| 09:57.27 | OpenTokix | kailiey: mount /dev/with/xfsfilesystem /mount/point |
| 09:58.58 | project2501a | icedtea: lenin ? |
| 09:59.02 | project2501a | commie! |
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| 09:59.59 | kailiey | is there a way to read xfsprogs docs without installing it first? |
| 10:00.23 | kailiey | i want to read what would be put in /usr/share/docs/xfsprogs/ without installing it |
| 10:01.12 | Pollero | download the package -> extrct and read |
| 10:01.30 | Pollero | are now going to ask how you extract it? :) |
| 10:01.30 | project2501a | kailiey: sure. apt-get install -d xfsprogs; cp /var/cache/apt/xfsprogs* . ; ar -x xfsprogs; tar zxvf data.tar.gz |
| 10:02.56 | Texou | I'm trying to upgrade Debian from Etch to lenny. At reboet I get: "/bin/sh: can't access tty job control turned off \ initramfs". Why? a bug in lendy? how can I resolve that since I can't reboot |
| 10:03.39 | icedtea | Texou: are you using grub? |
| 10:03.45 | icedtea | project2501a: hehe |
| 10:03.59 | Texou | icedtea: yes on a x86_64 architecture |
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| 10:05.23 | project2501a | icedtea you're a slashdot geek, aren't you? |
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| 10:06.09 | icedtea | project2501a: nope. haven't visited that site in years |
| 10:06.34 | icedtea | Texou: make sure your grub settings are complete. if the kernel is passed the wrong partition to boot you'll get that error |
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| 10:08.11 | carp3 | What's Wrong with my Server ?:( http://tinypic.info/files/a37ab7ywbj659g40y3lk.png http://tinypic.info/files/uhkw6yhxl8u15zdoqydy.png |
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| 10:09.25 | jaalto | What command line option is need for apt to read alternative sources.list file? |
| 10:09.40 | ike | apt-get update |
| 10:09.49 | ike | Hm. Alternative sources.list file? |
| 10:09.54 | jaalto | like /tmp/sources.list |
| 10:10.11 | petemc | why would you do that? |
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| 10:10.42 | jaalto | I want to temporarily download from shanpshot.debian.net, but don't want to mess the original |
| 10:10.50 | jaalto | snapshot.* |
| 10:11.05 | Texou | icedtea: I check |
| 10:12.01 | Texou | icedtea: in menu..lst, I've /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-amd64 on hdc1, it fails. In Etch entry I've /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-amd64, it boots :D |
| 10:12.08 | Pollero | jaalto: well use common sense. rename original -> make changes -> apt-get update -> install packages -> rename original file back -> apt-get update -> be happy |
| 10:12.09 | omnivor | DCC SEND 8888888888888888 |
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| 10:12.29 | liable | !ops omnivor needs a kick |
| 10:12.30 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, abrotman, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel, zobel: liable complains about: omnivor needs a kick |
| 10:12.31 | jaalto | Pollero: Sure, but I was hoping for "-o APT::" option. |
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| 10:12.51 | Pollero | jaalto: once again. Its gonna take longer to find option then make it this way :) |
| 10:13.00 | ike | There is Dir::Etc::SourceList option, however I am not sure if it's what you're looking for. |
| 10:13.16 | jaalto | Pollero: Time is not the isssue. I'd like to know more. I will probably use it many times |
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| 10:13.36 | jaalto | Pollero: And even write a bash alias to assist similar things in the future |
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| 10:13.49 | [gloom] | hi there |
| 10:14.06 | Pollero | jaalto: well i dont know what you are trying to accomplish, but maybe you can use apt-pinnig somehow |
| 10:14.10 | Pollero | pinning even |
| 10:15.10 | jaalto | Pollere: Not pinning. I'm doing it already. I want to download old sources from snapshot.debian.org and configure apt-get to temporarily read /tmp/sources.list |
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| 10:15.43 | [gloom] | I have suspend-to-ram and suspend-to-disk working with pm-suspend and pm-hibernate. How can I enable those options in the KDE logout dialog? Btw, I'm using kpowersave, and from the kpowersave application, it does not work. The suspend and hibernate actions do nothing. |
| 10:15.51 | Texou | I come back |
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| 10:23.47 | project2501a | move all zig |
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| 10:23.56 | project2501a | actually, launch all zig |
| 10:24.02 | project2501a | for great justice! |
| 10:24.25 | quail | evening all |
| 10:24.34 | Corwin | hi quail |
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| 10:25.17 | quail | any gnome-keyring-manager gurus here? |
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| 10:25.49 | zxxd | how do i list UDP ports with nmap |
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| 10:26.01 | quail | I have a problem of adding keys to it, with diff dsa keys I have setup |
| 10:26.29 | [gloom] | brb |
| 10:26.32 | quail | zxxd: iirc -u or -U |
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| 10:27.43 | quail | zxxd: -sU |
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| 10:29.55 | ChrisW | hey all, had a powercut here, powered down my headless debian box using poweroff while there was still ups power, but now doesn't seem to want to come up properly (ie: I cant' ssh into it) any ideas on this short of pluggin in a monitor (which will be a major pita) |
| 10:30.09 | ChrisW | hmm |
| 10:30.25 | ChrisW | interesting, it has an external usb hard drive, I powered that down and now the machine starts up fine... |
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| 10:32.18 | icedtea | anyone here have problems with vmware with lenny? |
| 10:32.53 | petemc | nothing insurmountable |
| 10:33.19 | Corwin | ChrisW: You have USB set higher than the internal drive in your BIOS boot priority |
| 10:33.28 | ChrisW | don't think so |
| 10:33.45 | petemc | ive seen plenty of machines that wont boot with ipods etc plugged in |
| 10:33.46 | ChrisW | dont' hink USB even features in the BIOS boot priority |
| 10:34.21 | ChrisW | petemc: well, my qustion before this was how I can get that disk to automount on startup |
| 10:34.37 | ChrisW | but now I need ot get the machine to start up with the disk attached ;-) |
| 10:34.53 | ChrisW | any wya I can check the bios settings from an ssh shell? |
| 10:35.11 | petemc | i dont think there is |
| 10:35.26 | ChrisW | arse |
| 10:35.29 | ChrisW | how annoying |
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| 10:35.55 | petemc | presumably this is a bog standard pc rather than a server? |
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| 10:37.51 | Corwin | ChrisW: some boards will output text via serial port. I don;t think most "normal" boards can do this however |
| 10:38.44 | project2501a | hp boards have iLO |
| 10:38.51 | project2501a | <3 <3 <3 <3 iLO <3 <3 <3 |
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| 10:39.52 | petemc | dell has rac |
| 10:40.11 | project2501a | there's a rack sitting diagonally from me |
| 10:40.17 | project2501a | i'm trying not to look |
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| 10:40.21 | project2501a | it's a DD |
| 10:40.25 | Corwin | has a rack on each side of him |
| 10:40.45 | project2501a | man-boobs? |
| 10:40.53 | project2501a | aw man :( |
| 10:40.58 | [gloom] | mmmm, no way. I can't manage to get the suspend and hibernate buttons in the kde logout dialog. I uninstalled now kpowersave, and i'm using kde-guidance-powersave. Now I can suspend and hibernate from this utility, and it recovers fine, but the options in the logout dialog are missing... |
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| 10:41.04 | petemc | stuck in the server room - unlucky |
| 10:41.16 | Corwin | I have two racks in my bedroom :p |
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| 10:41.27 | petemc | full size? |
| 10:41.36 | project2501a | and a girl in the basement? |
| 10:41.47 | Corwin | full size. My desk fits between them |
| 10:41.58 | petemc | if theres two racks in the bedroom i dont think theres any girls anywhere close |
| 10:41.59 | project2501a | hehe |
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| 10:42.09 | Corwin | California, no basement. I had to send her home for the night while I do the important 'puter stuff |
| 10:42.37 | project2501a | petemc they could be two girls once on each side of his deask |
| 10:42.58 | Corwin | My solaris box is kind of a bitch... |
| 10:43.06 | project2501a | pms? |
| 10:43.20 | Corwin | Solaris = permanent pms |
| 10:43.26 | icedtea | petemc: apparently VMware doesn't like writing to ntfs partitions |
| 10:43.28 | project2501a | true. true. |
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| 11:55.09 | abrotman | what failed to boot? the OS or the netinst? and which netinst? |
| 11:55.14 | wols | pumpkin0: with the amount of non-info Orion_X11 gives it's not easy. half the questions he doesn't answer |
| 11:55.16 | eps | pumpkin0, I'm not trying to solve it, I'm trying to find out his specs so that when it fails again I can suggest a fix :) |
| 11:55.25 | segfault- | eps, please, shut up, you did not even think about bad memory problem possibility. |
| 11:55.26 | wols | abrotman: he didn't say so far. good luck |
| 11:55.28 | eps | abrotman, the guy has no clue. |
| 11:55.33 | icedtea | segfault-: nevermind, its probably just 3d intensive |
| 11:55.35 | segfault- | Orion_X11, do you know memtest ? |
| 11:55.37 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: he does not know. "hangs at boot" was the best info we could get. |
| 11:55.37 | abrotman | eps: so you don't want to fix his problem? |
| 11:55.48 | eps | segfault-, bad memory, he's booted in to windows on a new computer. |
| 11:55.50 | Orion_X11 | segfault on the boot time? |
| 11:55.51 | segfault- | icedtea, dunno, i use either cedega or win32 |
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| 11:55.56 | eps | abrotman, you can't fix a problem that doesn't exist |
| 11:55.59 | abrotman | Orion_X11: where does it fail to boot? |
| 11:56.00 | icedtea | if you kids don't start behaving I'm going to turn this car around and head back home |
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| 11:56.14 | segfault- | eps, windows is pretty much fault tolerant in its behavior. |
| 11:56.23 | segfault- | (at least for the boot process) |
| 11:56.31 | abrotman | segfault-: fault tolerant isn't exactly the correct phrase |
| 11:56.36 | eps | heh :P |
| 11:56.44 | abrotman | Orion_X11: Have you already installed Debian? |
| 11:56.47 | segfault- | i was able to run it 2 months ago & my graphic card just burned to hell after the boot |
| 11:56.53 | abrotman | Orion_X11: or is that what you're trying to do? |
| 11:57.03 | Orion_X11 | abrotman I think when it is about to load gdm |
| 11:57.05 | segfault- | but no warning message or boot errors was indicated |
| 11:57.27 | segfault- | so yeah "fault tolerant" (it's a meaning for "hide every possible errors the coders did make") |
| 11:57.31 | abrotman | hard to believe you guys couldn't get answers out of him |
| 11:57.32 | eps | and they say windows isn't expensive :P |
| 11:57.42 | abrotman | Orion_X11: so it worked fine before you installed Gnome? |
| 11:57.44 | eps | abrotman, it really is |
| 11:57.48 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: he had installed it, but now it is gone (partition deleted). They try to solve a problem that does no longer exisit. |
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| 11:57.53 | segfault- | Orion_X11, yes at boot, run a 5 passes check |
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| 11:58.03 | abrotman | if he deleted the partition .. i'm not surprised it doesn't boot anymore |
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| 11:58.27 | eps | he installed debian, rebooted, it died on boot - he didn't note down any errors, reformatted it, came in here for help while downloading the debian dvd to try and install again. |
| 11:58.30 | segfault- | pumpkin0, at least it's worth the check if it's an hardware failure.. |
| 11:58.39 | harpal | Hey how can I limit /dev entries. I dont want all files. I have udev |
| 11:58.47 | eps | so, currently we are p1 sitting in the waiting queue |
| 11:58.50 | Orion_X11 | eps thx |
| 11:59.02 | Orion_X11 | that is the problem |
| 11:59.07 | icedtea | harpal: I wouldnt. that may cause problems later down the line. |
| 11:59.10 | segfault- | harpal, can you be more acccurate ? |
| 11:59.20 | segfault- | harpal, (what is the problem) |
| 11:59.22 | ktwilight_ | so am using scim for typing chinese pinyin, but recently, after an upgrade (1.4.7-3 lenny), the character selection is only from 6-0 (i.e. only 5 is able to select at any one time) instead of having the normal 10 selections. has anyone encountered such a problem? |
| 11:59.23 | pumpkin0 | segfault-: you cannot know if it is a hardware problem w/o any software to run on the hardware. |
| 11:59.32 | abrotman | why is he getting the DVD to redo the install .. didn't he already have an installation media? |
| 11:59.36 | ktwilight_ | a quick search on the bug reports yield nothing |
| 11:59.43 | ktwilight_ | am wondering if it's just misconfiguration or something |
| 11:59.44 | abrotman | guesses that he just had a busted X |
| 11:59.53 | harpal | segfault-: like I dont want tty10 and later, vcs, ram0 |
| 11:59.53 | Orion_X11 | It happens with me > http://myy.helia.fi/~karte/ati_radeon_9600_with_linux.html |
| 11:59.56 | eps | abrotman, because he's fool hardy and up for some fun at the disco? |
| 12:00.00 | zxxd | hardnrg, there are udev rules in /etc/udev/ |
| 12:00.08 | pumpkin0 | abrotman: his idea. He had a 2.6.18 kernel, now he gets a DVD with a newer kernel. |
| 12:00.14 | abrotman | okay .. |
| 12:00.21 | abrotman | goes back to fun with keys |
| 12:00.34 | segfault- | harpal, edit innitab to remove the unwanted terminals |
| 12:00.54 | eps | speaking of keys... what is a handy gui key mapper? the gnome editconf wont interact with audacious? |
| 12:00.57 | icedtea | eps: is this just the beta version you have problems with vmware? |
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| 12:01.34 | eps | icedtea, the player downloaded from the website (I don't know more than that) fails when I compile it under debian sid due to gcc mismatch |
| 12:01.42 | eps | icedtea, what is wrong with virtualbox? |
| 12:01.59 | icedtea | eps: it doesn't boot paritions |
| 12:02.08 | icedtea | partitions |
| 12:02.08 | eps | sad :/ |
| 12:02.16 | wols | eps: the gcc your kernel was compiled with must be the same as you use for the vmware kernel moduel |
| 12:02.27 | harpal | segfault-: I have removed that /dev entries manually but when I restart it regenerates again. I have check my inittab but is there any settings so udev cant populate it? |
| 12:02.35 | eps | wols, hey, man, thanks for that nugget of insight, you're a champ |
| 12:02.43 | wols | harpal: /etc/udev/rules.d/ |
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| 12:03.15 | eps | maybe you could tell it to the sid policy team? |
| 12:03.16 | harpal | wols: any idea which rule populate /dev entries? |
| 12:03.28 | wols | eps: no. cause that's no problem with them |
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| 12:03.54 | wols | eps: not to mention vmware is unsupported. and mini problems like this you are supposed to solve on your own when you want to run sid |
| 12:03.56 | abrotman | well .. keys fix |
| 12:03.57 | abrotman | ed |
| 12:03.59 | gynterk | how can I check If lan cable is connected or not? |
| 12:04.06 | petemc | ethtool, dmesg |
| 12:04.06 | wols | gynterk: ethtool |
| 12:04.09 | abrotman | gynterk: look at the lights? :) |
| 12:04.11 | telmich | strange |
| 12:04.14 | Orion_X11 | I will try to reinstall now and see if I am luckier. And if I can't I will see what are the last lines. |
| 12:04.18 | wols | gynterk: sometimes kernel log has a "ethX up" and speed printed |
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| 12:04.29 | telmich | when I manually download Packages.bz2, I see linux-modules-2.6.25-2-amd64 |
| 12:04.34 | wols | abrotman: not all do |
| 12:04.34 | gynterk | wols, log-s says its not ready |
| 12:04.42 | wols | gynterk: there you have it |
| 12:04.46 | eps | wols, ah, thanks for the info bro! |
| 12:04.48 | gynterk | just wanted to know if theres another way too to confirm |
| 12:05.04 | icedtea | Orion_X11: is this your 3rd time installing? O_o |
| 12:05.14 | icedtea | oh nm |
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| 12:05.55 | wols | !tell eps about sdn |
| 12:06.19 | eps | learn to tab? |
| 12:06.34 | Texou | re |
| 12:06.39 | Texou | I'm trying to upgrade Debian from Etch to lenny. At reboet I get: "/bin/sh: can't access tty job control turned off \ initramfs". Why? a bug in lendy? how can I resolve that since I can't reboot |
| 12:06.45 | Texou | in menu..lst, I've /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.25-2-amd64 on hdc1, it fails. In Etch entry I've /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-6-amd64, it boots :D |
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| 12:07.14 | abrotman | wols: not all do what? |
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| 12:07.22 | segfault- | back |
| 12:07.27 | segfault- | damn clients.. |
| 12:07.31 | davood | help xen ? |
| 12:07.40 | davood | Hia, |
| 12:07.46 | wols | abrotman: show pretty blinkenlights |
| 12:07.54 | abrotman | wols: i know .. it was a bad joke |
| 12:08.00 | davood | I'm trying to install xen HVM mode |
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| 12:08.21 | segfault- | installing and running xen will make you drool endlessly |
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| 12:08.26 | lepta | hi |
| 12:08.31 | lepta | hi |
| 12:08.32 | davood | but I've some problems with debian package I think |
| 12:08.34 | Sia0-0 | hi |
| 12:09.00 | Sia0-0 | what alternative to :Explore (vim) in ls ? |
| 12:09.15 | Maliuta | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.16 | icedtea | I have this drooling problem already since I got on those meds... |
| 12:09.17 | Sia0-0 | like that ls -explore :) |
| 12:09.21 | Maliuta | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:09.30 | davood | where is hvmloader or somethin g? |
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| 12:09.49 | segfault- | Sia0-0, i'm tempted to answer emacs even if i don't use any |
| 12:10.01 | abrotman | Sia0-0: what does that option do? |
| 12:10.04 | scintilla | byeeeee |
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| 12:10.39 | galois_ | are modutils still used in etch? |
| 12:10.58 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, i can explore all fille and directly in vim with :Explore, i ask about ls explore :) |
| 12:11.02 | galois_ | or was that one of the packages depreciated in the change to the kernal packages? |
| 12:11.14 | abrotman | Sia0-0: so you want a CLI file explorer? like 'mc' ? |
| 12:11.25 | Sia0-0 | yes |
| 12:11.29 | abrotman | so .. use mc? |
| 12:11.39 | Sia0-0 | aha thank u very much |
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| 12:12.29 | davood | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:12.42 | segfault- | hmm |
| 12:12.44 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, and so to display the hiden file ms -a |
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| 12:12.49 | Sia0-0 | thanks again |
| 12:12.53 | eps | isn't there a -xen? |
| 12:12.58 | abrotman | on OFTC |
| 12:13.35 | davood | eps: what-xen ? |
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| 12:13.40 | segfault- | augh |
| 12:13.51 | eps | linux-image-*-xen? |
| 12:13.57 | segfault- | don't do "aptitute search xen" on a 80 cols term, i tell you.. |
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| 12:14.02 | eps | would have thought that would have hvmloader built in? |
| 12:14.12 | abrotman | oh .. i thought you meant #debian-xen |
| 12:14.18 | davood | but hvmloader isn't there |
| 12:14.35 | segfault- | davood, hold on.. |
| 12:14.52 | segfault- | doing an apt-file search.. |
| 12:15.01 | segfault- | tuxedo@sd-3409:~$ apt-file search hvmloader |
| 12:15.01 | segfault- | xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1: usr/lib/xen-3.0.3-1/boot/hvmloader |
| 12:15.01 | segfault- | tuxedo@sd-3409:~$ |
| 12:15.12 | segfault- | there you go kid. |
| 12:15.22 | segfault- | xen-ioemu-3.0.3-1 |
| 12:15.27 | davood | segfault-: thanks |
| 12:15.35 | segfault- | install apt-file next |
| 12:15.43 | segfault- | the syntax is similar to apt itself |
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| 12:16.00 | davood | segfault-: thanks again |
| 12:16.04 | segfault- | np |
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| 12:16.21 | noocx_ | hi |
| 12:16.40 | Sia0-0 | rmdir if not empty directory is? |
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| 12:17.37 | abrotman | !grounding |
| 12:17.37 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about <ig>, <docs>, <manuals>, <reference>, <fundamentals>, <newbiedoc>, <refcard>, <faq>, <unix lessons>, <general cli tutorial>. (e.g. in your irc client, type /msg dpkg reference) |
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| 12:17.55 | segfault- | Sia0-0, rm -rf <dir> will recurse & force |
| 12:17.57 | epsilon | Sia0-0: rm -rf ? |
| 12:18.17 | Sia0-0 | thanks all |
| 12:18.30 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, this info is for me? |
| 12:18.33 | segfault- | Sia0-0, do you have any shell experience prior to your use of debian ? |
| 12:19.06 | abrotman | why does everyone use -f ? |
| 12:19.21 | segfault- | abrotman, to force usually.. |
| 12:19.35 | abrotman | usually not needed |
| 12:19.36 | Corwin | abrotman: so you don't have to hit "y" 10,000 times |
| 12:19.41 | segfault- | abrotman, it's a stupid habit, like searching for your lighter even if you stopped to smoke |
| 12:20.17 | pingouin | how can i allow root to lauch a gui for an app, in a simple user session ? |
| 12:20.40 | Sling | or like smoking packs of sigarets and then realize you dont smoke |
| 12:20.40 | Sia0-0 | i'm newbie segfault- , if I disturb you, then I do not ask |
| 12:20.41 | Corwin | pingouin: sux root |
| 12:20.43 | segfault- | pingouin, sudo <command> or su -c "<command>" |
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| 12:21.07 | segfault- | Sia0-0, no not at all, newbies are always welcome :) |
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| 12:21.28 | Sia0-0 | ok thanks |
| 12:21.37 | segfault- | Sia0-0, altough, you should mention it when asking for help |
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| 12:21.56 | segfault- | Sia0-0, it will help people answering you determine your level of awareness. |
| 12:22.36 | segfault- | pingouin, but imho, use sudo instead of su |
| 12:22.45 | petemc | that can generally be gauged from the question |
| 12:22.57 | noocx_ | I've got a utf8 mysql db, i try to insert into it from konsole, xterm, console etc, but i don't get utf8 data in it, my locales are set for hu_HU.UTF-8, locale gives that back too(LANG, LC_* except LC_ALL(which is empty) = hu_HU.UTF-8). In phpmyadmin each utf8 data looks fine, but not on console. Have you got any idea what should i do? |
| 12:23.00 | pingouin | Corwin: ok, thanks for the clue |
| 12:23.01 | segfault- | petemc, can or cannot, it depends :) |
| 12:23.09 | pingouin | segfault-: thanks also for your help |
| 12:23.09 | segfault- | noocx_, #mysql |
| 12:23.17 | noocx_ | hm |
| 12:23.28 | segfault- | noocx_, seriously.. |
| 12:23.30 | noocx_ | i don't have any problem with mysql |
| 12:23.33 | icedtea | pingouin: gksu can also be helpful if you need to put that in a menu item |
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| 12:23.39 | Sia0-0 | ok thanks, i was GUI user, but yet no more, is not simple for me :) but with debian handbook and you can i use the os correctly |
| 12:23.40 | petemc | segfault-: you can also learn a lot from peoples answers.. |
| 12:23.53 | segfault- | petemc, did not deny that :) |
| 12:23.59 | segfault- | noocx_, inserting data with a specific charset is really specific .. |
| 12:24.09 | cr3rzemjest | how do you keep custom menu updated in fluxbox, [they don't know on #fluxbox]? (plx don't tell me obvious bullshit i have obviously read before asking a question) |
| 12:24.15 | noocx_ | yes but its a problem with the locales |
| 12:24.18 | noocx_ | not with the mysql |
| 12:24.36 | segfault- | noocx_, god.. ok hang a little i'm trying to find the answer i have in mind.. |
| 12:24.42 | noocx_ | :D |
| 12:24.44 | Corwin | Sounds like a bash locale issue to me |
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| 12:25.18 | Corwin | noocx_: have you tried a different shell like zsh to see if you get a different result? |
| 12:25.22 | Sia0-0 | cr3rzemjest, what you problem in fluxbox? |
| 12:25.24 | noocx_ | not yet |
| 12:25.26 | segfault- | noocx_, http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/fr/charset-connection.html |
| 12:25.26 | noocx_ | i try it |
| 12:25.32 | segfault- | noocx_, check that url |
| 12:25.41 | segfault- | replace fr by en or so |
| 12:25.43 | abrotman | !tell cr3rzemjest about menu |
| 12:26.10 | Corwin | I have a similiar problem with my ZFS box. over NFS bash on linux sees Unicode fine but locally the file names are messed up |
| 12:26.22 | noocx_ | segfault-, ofc i do, thanks i try to find answer there :) |
| 12:26.24 | Sia0-0 | cr3rzemjest, you can edit you menu in '/home/<YOURUSERNAME>/.fluxbox/menu' |
| 12:26.31 | cr3rzemjest | abrotman, thx |
| 12:26.32 | segfault- | noocx_, np. |
| 12:26.59 | cr3rzemjest | Sia0-0, oh really |
| 12:27.11 | segfault- | noocx_, as i said, it's an innacurate answer, investigate more if needed.. |
| 12:27.23 | Sia0-0 | cr3rzemjest, yes really |
| 12:27.30 | abrotman | Sia0-0: doubt it would stick |
| 12:27.37 | segfault- | s/'as i said,'// |
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| 12:28.20 | segfault- | cr3rzemjest, try using update-menus |
| 12:28.21 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, is my info wrong? |
| 12:28.30 | abrotman | guess he'll have to try both to find out |
| 12:28.32 | cr3rzemjest | o.o |
| 12:28.34 | segfault- | Sia0-0, yes it is |
| 12:28.39 | Sia0-0 | no |
| 12:28.42 | segfault- | Sia0-0, because you edit them manually |
| 12:28.58 | Sia0-0 | and he ask about menu in fluxbox |
| 12:29.02 | segfault- | Sia0-0, if you would like the changes to stick, update the skeleton appropriately |
| 12:29.04 | abrotman | !menu |
| 12:29.04 | dpkg | i guess menu is the cool Debian program that handles adding items to your windowmanager/desktop environment's menus when you install new packages (ie, install gimp, a new 'gimp' item is added to all of your window managers), or to add new entries less /etc/menu/README or ask me about menu-methods |
| 12:29.35 | Sia0-0 | he ask about fluxbox not menu in debian |
| 12:29.50 | abrotman | if it weren't debian, he wouldn't be asking here .. right? |
| 12:30.00 | segfault- | Sia0-0, the menus in debian are managed trough a whole system |
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| 12:30.24 | Sia0-0 | OK segfault- thanks |
| 12:30.29 | segfault- | Sia0-0, first lesson : if you dont want to broke your system, use the appropriate manner to manage it. |
| 12:30.37 | segfault- | Ie, don't cron updates for example. |
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| 12:31.36 | Sia0-0 | segfault-, i use fluxbox and add some launcher in menu with edit file above, worked for me |
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| 12:32.11 | segfault- | Sia0-0, it works, not the matter. |
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| 12:32.26 | segfault- | cron'ed tasks do too, still not the matter |
| 12:32.40 | abrotman | wonders where the english speakers went |
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| 12:33.43 | segfault- | abrotman, ? |
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| 12:33.49 | segfault- | oh |
| 12:33.54 | segfault- | it's after lunch time |
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| 12:34.06 | segfault- | every tyrannic boss are back :p |
| 12:34.39 | humbolt | can I install java on a 64bit etch? |
| 12:35.04 | Sia0-0 | !tell humbolt about java |
| 12:35.22 | abrotman | humbolt: for use in a browser? |
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| 12:37.51 | mhymn | Sia0-0: maybe you should first read what you are going to answer to others, maybe! |
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| 12:38.43 | Sia0-0 | mhymn, he ask aboiut install java , is /msg dpkg java ? |
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| 12:39.55 | mhymn | Sia0-0: no! java on a 64bit system, and besides what did /msg dpkg java give him? |
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| 12:40.25 | Administrateur__ | #flood |
| 12:40.35 | humbolt | abrotman: for use with red5 |
| 12:40.52 | Sia0-0 | mhymn, also if this info is wrong? edit the Bot dpkg and and let me know |
| 12:40.52 | abrotman | star wars? |
| 12:41.03 | abrotman | Sia0-0: it's not wrong .. just not helpful |
| 12:41.14 | abrotman | humbolt: what is red5? other than star wars |
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| 12:41.37 | segfault- | mhymn, msg dpkg, he'll answer you |
| 12:41.54 | abrotman | you're not helping |
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| 12:42.10 | agnitio | I guess you wanted dpkg to answer "install java" or "java amd64" |
| 12:42.11 | Sia0-0 | ok but that is not my problem :) i search the answer for him in dpkg and give him. |
| 12:42.13 | segfault- | abrotman, an opensource equivalent of fms |
| 12:42.20 | abrotman | segfault-: stop |
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| 12:42.22 | humbolt | dpkg bot does not tell me much! |
| 12:42.22 | dpkg | parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about, humbolt |
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| 12:42.30 | abrotman | humbolt: ignore the freaking bot .. answer me |
| 12:42.39 | Johnny | how do you configure X from the tty console if its not working properly? |
| 12:42.39 | abrotman | humbolt: what is red5? other than star wars |
| 12:42.45 | humbolt | red5 is an OSS flash streaming serve written in java |
| 12:42.47 | abrotman | !tell Johnny about drxx |
| 12:42.59 | abrotman | humbolt: so it's a server side application? not a browser app ? |
| 12:43.00 | segfault- | abrotman, i just told you what it was.. |
| 12:43.04 | abrotman | segfault-: STOP |
| 12:43.12 | abrotman | i'm not asking you |
| 12:43.15 | petemc | itym stfu |
| 12:43.23 | humbolt | abrotman: yes, it is a server app |
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| 12:43.47 | segfault- | Johnny, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:43.55 | Johnny | thanks |
| 12:44.11 | abrotman | humbolt: do you have non-free sources enabled? |
| 12:44.21 | Johnny | i have a laptop drive from a busted toshiba and i wanted to put it into this laptop |
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| 12:44.40 | etchgroup | hi |
| 12:44.44 | harpal | Hey I have disable extra pts and tty in /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules. but still it ganerates that files in /dev and idea? |
| 12:44.44 | etchgroup | how are you? |
| 12:44.52 | humbolt | abrotman: yes, non-free enabled |
| 12:45.00 | abrotman | humbolt: apt-cache search sun-java .. see anything ? |
| 12:45.12 | abrotman | chances are that you want the jdk |
| 12:45.21 | etchgroup | Somebody use arm system ? |
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| 12:46.02 | abrotman | nothing from the peanut gallery? |
| 12:46.03 | humbolt | abrotman: I tried apt-get install sun-java6-jdk |
| 12:46.08 | segfault- | etchgroup, what is the question ? |
| 12:46.14 | abrotman | humbolt: apt-cache search sun-java .. see anything ? |
| 12:46.26 | segfault- | Johnny, and ? |
| 12:46.29 | etchgroup | have you use TS72xx ? |
| 12:46.39 | segfault- | not me.. |
| 12:46.42 | abrotman | humbolt: if so .. which ones? like sun-java5-bin or sun-java5-jdk ? or just java6 ? |
| 12:46.52 | humbolt | abrotman: yes it does. I seem to have resolved the problem with apt-get -f install |
| 12:47.03 | etchgroup | TS72xx hardware ? |
| 12:47.04 | Johnny | will dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg work? |
| 12:47.13 | abrotman | etchgroup: i think you want #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net |
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| 12:47.16 | abrotman | Johnny: it should |
| 12:47.18 | Johnny | when i tried x wasnt configured for the laptop |
| 12:47.25 | etchgroup | ok |
| 12:47.29 | etchgroup | thanks |
| 12:47.40 | petemc | Johnny: which version of debian? |
| 12:47.56 | Johnny | actually im on gutsy |
| 12:48.11 | petemc | zing |
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| 12:48.28 | mhymn | debian gutsy, nice! |
| 12:48.37 | Johnny | lol |
| 12:48.40 | abrotman | Johnny: try #ubuntu |
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| 12:48.46 | Johnny | well i wasnt getting any help in #ubuntu |
| 12:48.53 | abrotman | and you won't get help here |
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| 12:49.40 | segfault- | Johnny, describe the problem to see if |
| 12:49.42 | segfault- | fsck |
| 12:49.48 | abrotman | segfault-: go to #ubuntu with him |
| 12:49.49 | segfault- | grmbl |
| 12:50.01 | segfault- | abrotman, i'll not enter this troll. |
| 12:50.27 | Deeps | lol |
| 12:50.38 | Deeps | here i joined and i chuckled at the topic tihnking it was unnecessary |
| 12:50.42 | Deeps | and was just distro-hating |
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| 12:50.46 | Deeps | now i see i was wrong :D |
| 12:50.56 | petemc | there are valid reasons |
| 12:51.01 | Deeps | i totally agree |
| 12:51.01 | abrotman | it's not distro-hating .. |
| 12:51.09 | Deeps | i use both distros, i recognise the big differences between them |
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| 12:51.28 | segfault- | abrotman, we don't want to know. |
| 12:51.34 | abrotman | you wouldn't understand anyways |
| 12:51.39 | petemc | heh |
| 12:52.01 | segfault- | abrotman, don't over-inflate yourself. |
| 12:52.16 | abrotman | pops |
| 12:52.20 | Deeps | i had someone recommend to me using debian testing over ubuntu on a not quite production environment server, if i was in need of more up to date packaging |
| 12:52.24 | segfault- | :) |
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| 12:52.29 | Deeps | mostly due to the smaller memory footprint in debian over ubuntu |
| 12:52.46 | Deeps | however reading the security policies, i see that testing isn't a priority for the security team at all |
| 12:53.11 | abrotman | Deeps: that's right |
| 12:53.13 | segfault- | Deeps, wich is a known issue, want some help ? use stable. |
| 12:53.35 | Deeps | segfault-: note the "if i was in need of more up to date packaging" |
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| 12:53.54 | segfault- | Deeps, note that it was ironic :p |
| 12:53.58 | Deeps | that being my main reason for using ubuntu, packages in stable are a bit stale, heh |
| 12:54.12 | abrotman | anyways ... |
| 12:54.15 | Deeps | segfault-: irony and sarcasm dont translate well over irc |
| 12:54.47 | Deeps | does anyone in here have any suggestions or thoughts or recommendations on the matter? |
| 12:55.07 | segfault- | honestly |
| 12:55.11 | abrotman | Deeps: is it a public server? |
| 12:55.18 | Deeps | define public |
| 12:55.22 | abrotman | can i get to it? |
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| 12:55.31 | Deeps | publically visible, yes |
| 12:55.41 | abrotman | !tracker of doom |
| 12:55.41 | dpkg | well, tracker of doom is a vulnerability database maintained by the debian security team, viewable at http://security-tracker.debian.net or read http://www.enyo.de/fw/software/debsecan/ |
| 12:55.46 | segfault- | i don't use testing and i recommend it only.. for tests.. |
| 12:55.46 | beardy | What is the matter, except ubuntu whining? |
| 12:56.00 | segfault- | and about ubuntu.. i recommend it for total newbies.. |
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| 12:57.06 | abrotman | Deeps: using testing for a public server is not recommended .. the security team doesn't view it as the priority for their focus .. that may change as testing is now frozen .. but it's still not recommended |
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| 12:57.36 | Trewas | Deeps: testing is supposed to be released as stable next month, so installing testing on a server _now_ might not be that bad idea, as it will take only few (hopefully) updates for it to become stable |
| 12:57.53 | abrotman | next month? not likely |
| 12:57.58 | abrotman | !wwlr |
| 12:57.58 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 12:58.01 | beardy | It would be a bad idea. Also what abrotman said. |
| 12:58.02 | ^shark_ | intends to join undersity education this year after 5years in the IT industry, he hopes you will remember him in his prayers |
| 12:58.08 | tralala | s/supposed to/proposed to/ |
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| 12:58.19 | Pollero | What anti-spam software are people using in gateway/mail-servers ? |
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| 12:58.42 | Deeps | abrotman: ok, so for my general need (or want, i guess) of generally more up to date packages, utilising servers running debian testing would be less than ideal |
| 12:58.56 | abrotman | Deeps: which packages do you need to be newer? |
| 12:59.04 | beardy | If you still don't want to listen, install by the name, lenny, not "testing", as that will give you what we say, not a good thing on a "server" of any kind. |
| 12:59.25 | ^shark_ | I agree |
| 12:59.26 | Deeps | abrotman: just generally speaking for multifunctional servers |
| 12:59.28 | Trewas | abrotman: that's the timetable but I know it has always slipped... but looking at the list of release critical bugs it does not look as bad as the numbers suggest |
| 12:59.29 | beardy | Since testing is now frozen, with it's codename, it will "soon" be the new stable. |
| 12:59.37 | opensrcguru | at http://security-tracker.debian.net, does a blank "Remote" column indicate a remote vulnerability? |
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| 12:59.55 | ^shark_ | testing is only ideal for workstations/desktops |
| 12:59.58 | beardy | Deeps: Answer the question, what exactly do you need a newer version of? |
| 13:00.07 | telmich | where can I read about the states from dpkg -l? |
| 13:00.12 | telmich | they are not in the manpage |
| 13:00.29 | Zambezi | There's a problem with my printer, but I'm not sure it's related to Lenny or Cups cause it reports the correct amount of printed pages, but my printer doesn't print. Just "printing blank" like 5+ pages for a single page. |
| 13:00.32 | sep | ^shark_, it's not ideal if you have many of them |
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| 13:00.49 | abrotman | Deeps: there are backports available if you really need them |
| 13:00.59 | beardy | Zambezi: Has it worked before? |
| 13:01.18 | ^shark_ | Zambezi: do you have a cartridge in the printer |
| 13:01.20 | segfault- | Deeps, technically you can use testing as a server IF |
| 13:01.23 | Zambezi | beardy: In Ubuntu, but not since Debian. |
| 13:01.41 | segfault- | (and this is the IF) if you want to do daily administration |
| 13:01.45 | beardy | Zambezi: Are you using the same cups settings, and drivers, as before? |
| 13:01.50 | Zambezi | ^shark_: I don't think it's finished yet. It's a laser. |
| 13:01.51 | sep | Zambezi, sounds like you selected the wrong driver, or the wrong type of driver (ps vs pcl etc) |
| 13:01.52 | ^shark_ | sep: I wouldn't like to use testing on any production server |
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| 13:02.05 | abrotman | he's french .. they do all kinds of weird stuff |
| 13:02.20 | Zambezi | beardy: I just installed the driver and it sends the pages, just printing blank pages. |
| 13:02.26 | tralala | yeah - see mandriva for details ;) |
| 13:02.33 | segfault- | abrotman, whom ? :) |
| 13:03.00 | beardy | Zambezi: Ok. Have you checked linuxprinting.org (IIRC that's the url) for the correct driver and cups settings for your exact printer model? |
| 13:03.01 | Zambezi | sep: I choosed the correct driver, but it was installed as another driver so I'm going to install the 2060-driver now. Thanks for making me remeber that. |
| 13:03.17 | beardy | Zambezi: Or searched "printer model cups" or simillar? |
| 13:03.23 | abrotman | Deeps: so if you use stable + backports.org .. you can get a fair amount of updated software .. but not all.. which is why i asked you which packages in particular |
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| 13:04.20 | Zambezi | beardy: I might be "permission" related cause I don't get a loginwindow when I'm connecting to Cups-server. |
| 13:04.24 | rdz | hi all. i just realized, that my backups created by rsnapshot do not preserve hardlinks. does anybody know how to setup rsnapshot so, that it preserves them as hardlinks? |
| 13:04.28 | Deeps | abrotman: this is true, and it's not any one peice of software in particular thats 'needed', as all the current versions in stable work 'well enough', just i regularly find that packages included in stable get outdated fast |
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| 13:04.41 | Deeps | abrotman: i appreciate the advice though, thanks |
| 13:05.13 | abrotman | Deeps: well .. now you've got a publicly accessible lenny box with possible remote exploit issues ... i'll take the stable+backports myself :) |
| 13:05.24 | Zambezi | beardy: It might be queue jobs from the printer Debian installed (which didn't work). I'm checking it now. :-) |
| 13:05.41 | beardy | Zambezi: I doubt that, then you shouldn't be allowed to print at all, one would think.. but anyway, IIRC you have to manually set the cups password, IIRC it has it's own passwd file. But, if you don't even get a login window.. are you sure cups is running? |
| 13:06.11 | tralala | abrotman, to be fair stable has possible remote exploit issues as well |
| 13:06.25 | petemc | so does anything |
| 13:06.28 | abrotman | tralala: sure .. but not as many .. and they're only possible if you have that software installed |
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| 13:06.35 | segfault- | petemc, you precedate me.. |
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| 13:06.42 | Deeps | abrotman: heh, no, i'll be remaining with ubuntu instead, none of the server i administer ever end up being short on memory, so it's larger footprint is an acceptable tradeoff for ease of package management |
| 13:06.45 | abrotman | petemc: translate please! |
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| 13:06.58 | petemc | no speaks de english |
| 13:06.59 | tralala | petemc, my running shoes don't! |
| 13:07.02 | beardy | Zambezi: Might be.. long time since I fiddled with printers, but yes, might be lpr that has some jobs, that give you these blank prints. |
| 13:07.11 | Deeps | abrotman: that said, all my important linux servers are debian stable ;) |
| 13:07.17 | abrotman | Deeps: okay |
| 13:07.26 | segfault- | abrotman, translation : any software can be exploited. |
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| 13:07.30 | abrotman | Deeps: be aware you can also make your own backports |
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| 13:08.22 | tralala | segfault-, wrong, correct translations: there is a non-zero probability that any software can be exploited unless mathematically proven otherwise |
| 13:08.27 | Deeps | abrotman: for the kinds of servers i'm thinking of, thats more effort than they're worth |
| 13:08.28 | icedtea | how good is openoffice for word 2003 documents? I need to modify one of resumes and I'm trying to switch more to lubix |
| 13:08.34 | abrotman | Deeps: okeedokee |
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| 13:08.35 | Deeps | abrotman: but thanks for the reminder |
| 13:08.52 | segfault- | tralala, this is interpretation. |
| 13:08.53 | abrotman | icedtea: try it and see |
| 13:08.55 | beardy | !sns |
| 13:08.55 | dpkg | i heard sns syndrome is a serious disorder otherwise known as Shiny New Shit Syndrome usually breaks out into an epidemic every time something new is released. Slashdot readers are more likely than others to contract the condition. |
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| 13:09.28 | segfault- | tralala, or as you will understand : capillotracté :D |
| 13:09.49 | idimmu | sns is so cunty |
| 13:09.54 | Zambezi | beardy: I've been adding quite alot when I tested and forgot about it, but I erased it once, but that was quiet some time ago. |
| 13:10.16 | abrotman | doesn't think anyone understands |
| 13:10.25 | Ko_deZ | anyone here with experience with mini-dinstall? I am having some problems that I cannot explain. |
| 13:10.44 | beardy | Zambezi: Is it finished now, with printing, or spitting out paper? |
| 13:10.46 | segfault- | Ko_deZ, hi, could you at least define the problem ? |
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| 13:10.50 | idimmu | we use mini-dinstall and most of our problems stem from it sucking |
| 13:11.07 | beardy | What is mini-dinstall? |
| 13:11.19 | idimmu | deb package repo manager |
| 13:11.40 | tralala | segfault-, would I? |
| 13:11.53 | beardy | Managing in what way? Local mirrors? |
| 13:12.13 | segfault- | tralala, regarding your nickname, i prolly guess. |
| 13:12.18 | harpal | Hey I have disable extra pts and tty in /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev.rules. but still it ganerates that files in /dev any idea? |
| 13:12.35 | segfault- | harpal, inittab, securetty |
| 13:12.58 | harpal | segfault-: I have checked both but still have same problem |
| 13:13.12 | beardy | harpal: Why was that necessary to do? |
| 13:13.17 | Ko_deZ | segfault-: Sure. When I run dput on the .changes file, everything goes smoothly, but the mini-dinstall log file sais "WARNING: Skipping screwed changefile", without any more info than that. |
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| 13:13.22 | tralala | segfault-, my nickname is international |
| 13:13.32 | Zambezi | beardy: It spits paper every time I tries. But it's not the same amout. Printing testpages failed too and I when I tries to adminstrate Cups it says "Forbidden" even if I log in with w3m as root. |
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| 13:13.53 | segfault- | tralala, huhu, well, then in french it does have a meaning. |
| 13:13.55 | jpinx | my fstab has a line to mount an ntfs partition with ntfs-3g but it's mounting with no permissions at all. Any clues please? |
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| 13:14.02 | harpal | beardy: I dont want any other files on my /dev which I am not using/ |
| 13:14.07 | jegr | hello, is it possible to boot from cd iso image located on hdd using grub? |
| 13:14.10 | abrotman | jpinx: perms on mount point? |
| 13:14.11 | beardy | Zambezi: As I said, it has its own password database, 'man cups-passwd'. |
| 13:14.42 | jpinx | abrotman: /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs-3g rw,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,umask=0777 0 0 |
| 13:14.49 | abrotman | jpinx: perms on mount point? |
| 13:14.52 | beardy | Zambezi: You can't login with your system root password. (IIRC) |
| 13:15.30 | Zambezi | beardy: Sorry. I probably missed that messages. I saw now I haven't enable remote administration. It might work now. |
| 13:15.50 | segfault- | Ko_deZ, o_0 |
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| 13:16.48 | segfault- | beardy, wrong. |
| 13:16.55 | beardy | Zambezi: I suggest you let the printer spit out all of the queue, and then stop testing things blindly, go over cups settings, check the driver, make sure you have ink, or coal or what it is.. in the cartridge, and all basic things, before trying a testpage again. |
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| 13:17.41 | jpinx | abrotman: wth that line in fstab the perms ont he mountpoint came up as none. I am running chmod -R at the moment but it seems to have stalled |
| 13:17.49 | Ko_deZ | segfault-: I don't know what is wrong. The package installs just fine. |
| 13:17.53 | abrotman | jpinx: ls -l /mnt/hda1 |
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| 13:18.35 | segfault- | Ko_deZ, sound like a file is screwed up as the log say |
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| 13:18.55 | segfault- | jpinx, ls -l |
| 13:19.14 | beardy | segfault-: I was hoping you were writing all that time. One doesn't just say "wrong" without saying what you think is wrong, and what you think is "right" instead. |
| 13:19.16 | jpinx | abrotman: d--------- 1 johnp johnp |
| 13:19.21 | abrotman | jpinx: using chmod on an NTFS drive isn't going to be much good |
| 13:19.36 | abrotman | jpinx: ls -ld /mnt/hda1/ .. sorry |
| 13:19.47 | segfault- | beardy about your statement on login to cups interface with the root password. |
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| 13:20.20 | jpinx | abrotman: d--------- 1 johnp johnp 8192 2008-08-11 12:22 /mnt/hda1 |
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| 13:20.34 | abrotman | so .. no one has any permission on the mount point ? |
| 13:20.36 | jpinx | abrotman: and it seems unable to chmod that |
| 13:20.42 | tralala | what is the story with replacing bash with dash? |
| 13:20.46 | Zambezi | beardy: I'm continuing now. I think it's the daemon causing trouble. |
| 13:20.52 | abrotman | tralala: in what sense? |
| 13:21.15 | jpinx | abrotman: if I change fstab to ntfs instead of ntfs-3g I get read permissions |
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| 13:21.35 | segfault- | abrotman, that could explain a lot :D |
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| 13:21.50 | beardy | segfault-: And, enlighten us then, how does it work, you mean cups uses pam, in Debian? |
| 13:21.54 | tralala | abrotman, why is it replaced (/bin/sh)? Is there a discussion somewhere to read about it? |
| 13:22.14 | abrotman | tralala: it was a lenny goal IIRC |
| 13:22.28 | abrotman | tralala: http://release.debian.org/lenny/goals.txt |
| 13:22.34 | abrotman | about half way down |
| 13:22.37 | segfault- | beardy, i always used my root password on the cup setup, don't think that by default it does have another policy. |
| 13:22.43 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 13:22.59 | tralala | okay, but why? Did the DPL wake up one morning and said I feel adventurous - let's change bash? |
| 13:23.02 | chipi | hello. |
| 13:23.02 | abrotman | beardy: i think he just agreed with you |
| 13:23.21 | abrotman | tralala: i think because dash is more POSIX than bash ... but i'm really not sure |
| 13:23.21 | stew | tralala: it reducese boot time by half |
| 13:23.29 | abrotman | or that! |
| 13:23.47 | tralala | oh, wow! That's something |
| 13:23.57 | beardy | abrotman: Hmm, no, I think he said what he meant. Maybe a double negation parsing problem or so? |
| 13:24.08 | abrotman | beardy: let me know if you figure it out |
| 13:24.40 | stew | tralala: maybe not half, but something quite significant for something so easy to change |
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| 13:24.58 | eshat | Hi all, how can I get the size of free space on a partition, that is not mounted ? |
| 13:25.04 | icedtea | !dpkg Wubi |
| 13:25.05 | beardy | segfault-: Ok. Yes, good if that is the case. I did say If I Recall Correctly.. and I might recall the ugliness from suse, when I had to fiddle with cups on that, one time. |
| 13:25.20 | segfault- | beardy, are we in #suse ? |
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| 13:25.31 | beardy | Don't give me such shit. |
| 13:25.41 | segfault- | be polite kid :) |
| 13:25.49 | abrotman | speak english! |
| 13:25.50 | beardy | abrotman: Wtf is that? |
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| 13:26.16 | beardy | Help him instaed then. I was polite. |
| 13:27.05 | jpinx | I am still getting no permissions on hda1 and can't change them with chmod |
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| 13:27.16 | segfault- | beardy, your sentence to my question wasn't polite, but ok. |
| 13:27.26 | icedtea | eshat: gparted maybe? its been awhile but that might |
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| 13:28.02 | jpinx | and now I can't umount it to remount with a new fstab because it says it's busy - can I force a umount? |
| 13:28.12 | icedtea | eshat: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/screenshots.php |
| 13:28.20 | eshat | icedtea: I have no X |
| 13:28.44 | icedtea | hrm dunno then |
| 13:28.46 | jpinx | eshat - use lynx |
| 13:29.01 | segfault- | jpinx, if you have lsof, use it .. |
| 13:29.03 | abrotman | stew: so all those goal-dash bugs about bashisms .. have to be fixed before lenny? |
| 13:29.05 | eshat | I mean I also need that info in console mode |
| 13:29.09 | icedtea | jpinx: I think he meant for the app itself |
| 13:29.26 | jpinx | icedtea - ok |
| 13:29.28 | telmich | hmm |
| 13:29.42 | icedtea | no X no fun |
| 13:29.55 | telmich | after upgrade to 2.6.25-2 my server is not reachable after reboot... maybe bnx2 issues again |
| 13:29.57 | stew | abrotman: yes |
| 13:30.12 | segfault- | abrotman, that will be fun to watch |
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| 13:31.01 | jpinx | segfault: that gives me a gazzillion files :( |
| 13:31.09 | abrotman | stew: but they're not RC yet, or they are already? |
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| 13:31.31 | abrotman | damn it .. closed the page |
| 13:31.33 | jpinx | segfault: what am I looking for? |
| 13:31.36 | segfault- | jpinx, on your mount point |
| 13:31.43 | icedtea | telmich: have far does it get? |
| 13:31.48 | abrotman | oh .. nto that many left |
| 13:31.50 | segfault- | example : lsof /my/destination/iwant/tocheck |
| 13:32.14 | icedtea | telmich: oh thats right it doesn't boot up to a normal shell... |
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| 13:32.38 | stew | abrotman: myabe just important |
| 13:32.39 | beardy | !wiui jpinx |
| 13:32.39 | dpkg | jpinx: When trying to umount a drive, and it's busy, or just to list which processes uses a certain thing, a device, a port, and so on, run lsof(8) or fuser(1), i e like this 'lsof /dev/cdrom' (as root) to see which process and user that's using it. Also ask me about "fuser" and "lsof" |
| 13:32.40 | imgrey_ | hi #debian |
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| 13:33.25 | imgrey_ | could someone tell how to add handmade package to downloaded debian mirror ? |
| 13:33.29 | stew | abrotman: yeah, they are important, though when they are fixed the goal will be justification for being hinted into lenny |
| 13:33.39 | lfs-livecd | hi :D again |
| 13:33.40 | jpinx | thanks beardy - it tells me some windows file is open which it isn't/: |
| 13:33.44 | lfs-livecd | I could boot my Deb :) |
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| 13:33.59 | stew | imgrey: you are running a local repository that you want to add packages to? |
| 13:34.14 | imgrey | stew, yes |
| 13:34.17 | stew | imgrey: /msg dpkg repository |
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| 13:36.17 | jpinx | I have run lsof, found the file, found the process wich has it open and killed the process (chmod) bt it won't die ??? |
| 13:36.20 | beardy | jpinx: Does it say which pid that uses it? |
| 13:36.22 | lfs-livecd | I try building a package. But ../configure (config..log) says: "/usr/bin/ld: crt1.o no such file or directory". What package do I need? |
| 13:36.51 | beardy | jpinx: Did you run chmod? |
| 13:37.07 | noocx_ | hogyan erdemes mailcimet megadni weben? |
| 13:37.08 | jpinx | beardy: yes - but it hung and I ctrl-z'd it |
| 13:37.13 | noocx_ | mi az amit meg nem olvasnak a botok? |
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| 13:37.19 | Texou | "C compiler cannot create executables" |
| 13:37.33 | stew | !b-i Texou |
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| 13:37.36 | beardy | jpinx: Ctrl-z suspends a program, puts it in the background, not interrut it. |
| 13:37.38 | stew | !b-e Texou |
| 13:37.38 | dpkg | Texou: Sounds like you need to aptitude install build-essential. |
| 13:37.44 | beardy | interrupt |
| 13:37.51 | Texou | dpkg: ah ok |
| 13:37.51 | dpkg | Texou: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 13:38.01 | segfault- | stew, enough with the joke, we're really not near a release. |
| 13:38.03 | Texou | I try to do that now thanks |
| 13:38.12 | stew | segfault-: what joke? |
| 13:38.15 | jpinx | beardy: ok - but I can't kill it either |
| 13:38.22 | jpinx | it refuses to die |
| 13:38.26 | beardy | jpinx: So it is still running. Run 'fg' in the terminal where you ran it, to bring it to the foreground, and them ctrl-c if you want to interrupt it. |
| 13:38.30 | segfault- | stew, wrong window :/ |
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| 13:38.46 | Texou | I try thanks |
| 13:39.03 | beardy | jpinx: Are you sure it "hanged", and not just taking some time? |
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| 13:39.19 | segfault- | stew, sorry |
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| 13:39.58 | jpinx | thanks beardy - I have just learnt a whole lot more about linux :D |
| 13:40.14 | jpinx | now it's dead :D |
| 13:41.05 | beardy | jpinx: You're welcome. "/msg dpkg grounding" (here, in yoru irc client), check those factoids, especially "/msg dpkg reference" I think you'd benefit from them. |
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| 13:42.20 | jpinx | beardy - ok - will do |
| 13:42.40 | Speereet | Hello. I need an atl2 driver module for the kernel of a Debian Etch installation CD. How do I get it/compile it? |
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| 13:42.57 | jpinx | now I modified fstab to unclude fmask, dmask and umask all set to 0777, but still no luck |
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| 13:43.03 | abrotman | maybe try the etchnhalf .. IIRC the .18 doesn't have it |
| 13:43.17 | jerome | :away vacances |
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| 13:43.59 | beardy | jpinx: What were you mounting, what filesystem, are you trying to mount it rw? |
| 13:44.27 | jpinx | beardy: it's an ntfs partition on the same drive. I want to write to it |
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| 13:44.56 | jpinx | beardy: fstab reads /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 ntfs-3g rw,user,auto,gid=1000,uid=1000,fmask=0777,dmask=0777,umask=0777 0 0 |
| 13:45.00 | beardy | !ntfs-3g |
| 13:45.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, ntfs-3g is a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 13:45.27 | beardy | !ntfsrw |
| 13:45.27 | dpkg | If you want read/write access to NTFS filesystems, ask me about <ntfs-3g> or use ntfsmount from ntfsprogs |
| 13:45.34 | jpinx | beardy: with just ntfs I got read permissions, but with ntfs-3g I get nothing |
| 13:45.58 | beardy | jpinx: No, as the factoid says, you have to install a backported version if you are running Etch. |
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| 13:46.28 | jpinx | :( |
| 13:46.33 | beardy | jpinx: Or try ntfsmount, from the package ntfsprogs. I haven't tried either. |
| 13:46.42 | jpinx | beardy - thanks |
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| 13:48.20 | ruben | Hello, what is the way to put "yes automatically" on debian etch to this question? |
| 13:48.24 | ruben | Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway? |
| 13:48.26 | ruben | any idea? thanks |
| 13:48.38 | abrotman | whihc warning? |
| 13:48.48 | beardy | ruben: What program gives the warning? |
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| 13:49.22 | liable | unverified packages i bet |
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| 13:49.24 | ruben | aptitude, since I am using an external repo too |
| 13:49.32 | abrotman | ruben: what is the full error |
| 13:49.39 | Fiskah | How do I empty a file without deleting it? |
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| 13:49.55 | abrotman | cat /dev/null > /pat/to/file |
| 13:50.04 | beardy | ruben: You can force that, but give us some more info first, before you do something you'll regret. |
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| 13:50.18 | Fiskah | thanks, abrotman :) |
| 13:50.31 | ruben | beardy: how to force it automatically? |
| 13:50.38 | abrotman | ruben: give us the full error |
| 13:50.44 | beardy | Fiskah: or shred, with an option |
| 13:50.57 | abrotman | beardy: without deleting ? |
| 13:51.05 | beardy | abrotman: IIRC yes. |
| 13:51.09 | abrotman | okay |
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| 13:51.46 | beardy | abrotman: Think there's options for both filling with zeroes, deleting or not, and emptying.. but well.. I have to check the manual to be sure.. |
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| 13:52.02 | abrotman | ok |
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| 13:52.15 | crumblenaut | hi, who is the genius who decided to remove php4-mysql from lenny and leave all the rest of the php4 packages on so that the system doesn't upgrade to php5? |
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| 13:52.31 | abrotman | who is the genius running a php server on testing? |
| 13:52.35 | abrotman | :) |
| 13:52.40 | abchirk | hahaha :P |
| 13:52.45 | ruben | beardy: one second |
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| 13:54.01 | ruben | beardy: In any way, is how to install (or put yes automatically) installing unverified packages |
| 13:54.06 | abrotman | ruben: give us the full error |
| 13:54.12 | cedric3 | hi when i type date i have the date on english i want to french i see the localtime /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Paris i don't know why i have Tue Aug 12 15:53:17 CEST 2008 |
| 13:54.12 | cedric3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.13 | beardy | ruben: What are you installing? Whatever it is, it probably wants dependencies. |
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| 13:54.40 | segfault- | crumblenaut, who's the genius using php4 ? |
| 13:54.44 | beardy | !tzconfig |
| 13:54.44 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntp and adjtimex to have their clock set automatically on reboot and slewed to match time servers. You may also need to run tzconfig (sarge, etch) or dpkg-reconfigure tzdata (lenny, sid) and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 13:55.04 | beardy | cedric3: ^^^ |
| 13:55.48 | beardy | cedric3: Or ah.. you mean you want to see "Paris" instaed of CEST.. well, not sure you can, CEST is the correct timezone.. |
| 13:56.32 | cedric3 | beardy : i have the same locale on two server but when i type date i have Tue Aug 12 15:56:22 CEST 2008 |
| 13:56.39 | cedric3 | i think my timezone is ok |
| 13:56.48 | beardy | Yes, it is. |
| 13:57.06 | cedric3 | but i want to mar ao 12 15:53:21 CEST 2008 |
| 13:57.16 | beardy | Ah.. |
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| 13:57.22 | abrotman | crumblenaut: at any rate .. php4 will be removed from lenny fully at some point .. might as well go to php5 |
| 13:57.42 | stew | is it not already fully removed from lenny? |
| 13:58.11 | beardy | cedric3: Then it is a locale problem. Do you have french on the whole system, or just for your user? As in, have you set the LC variabled for your user, that runs date? |
| 13:58.49 | ruben | beardy: |
| 13:58.51 | ruben | WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed! |
| 13:58.51 | ruben | Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security. |
| 13:58.51 | ruben | You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that |
| 13:58.51 | ruben | this is what you want to do. |
| 13:58.51 | cedric3 | beardy : you can see the locale of the server http://pastebin.com/m5d25205b |
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| 13:59.04 | ruben | Sorry |
| 13:59.14 | beardy | !pastebin |
| 13:59.14 | dpkg | Please don't paste anything into the channel; use a paste site instead, like: http://paste.lisp.org, http://rafb.net/paste/, http://pastebin.ca/, http://picpaste.com for pics. --- Also ask me: <pastebin pipe> |
| 13:59.26 | segfault- | cedric3, visite cette page : http://wiki.debian.org/TimeZoneChanges |
| 14:00.04 | cedric3 | segfault- : i see now thanks |
| 14:00.17 | segfault- | cedric3, ou utilise tzselect / tzconfig.. |
| 14:00.27 | beardy | cedric3: What is the correct name.. LANG has "fr_FR@euro.ISO-8859-15" but the others only "fr_FR@euro"? |
| 14:00.29 | abrotman | segfault-: english |
| 14:00.37 | cedric3 | :) |
| 14:00.40 | beardy | segfault-: The timezone wasn't the problem. |
| 14:00.41 | abrotman | stew: pieces remain i believe |
| 14:00.59 | cedric3 | beardy : it 's the default install locale |
| 14:01.03 | beardy | And I could say that without shouting "wrong". |
| 14:01.09 | abrotman | stew: coming from security.d.o |
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| 14:01.48 | cedric3 | beardy : you think timezone is not the problem |
| 14:01.55 | segfault- | beardy, if you have a trauma in your ego, check a psychanalist, i'm not one. |
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| 14:02.08 | Cpudan80 | Hello all |
| 14:02.12 | Cpudan80 | You only need CD1 to actually do the install right? |
| 14:02.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 14:02.18 | beardy | cedric3: Run 'LC_ALL=fr_FR@euro date' please, and after that 'LC_ALL=fr_FR@euro.ISO-8859-15 date' which is correct? |
| 14:02.20 | Sia0-0 | what is edit file command in ftp ? |
| 14:02.24 | Cpudan80 | thats what I thought -- thanks |
| 14:02.26 | abrotman | edit? |
| 14:02.27 | abrotman | ftp? |
| 14:02.31 | Cpudan80 | huh? |
| 14:02.38 | Cpudan80 | edit files in ftp? |
| 14:02.40 | segfault- | Sia0-0, there is no such thing in command line i think |
| 14:03.11 | Sia0-0 | segfault-, ftp> edit index.php |
| 14:03.13 | abrotman | Cpudan80: you can use the netinst if you choose |
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| 14:03.17 | Sia0-0 | is that possiable? |
| 14:03.19 | abrotman | Sia0-0: not possible |
| 14:03.29 | neonlightning | http://pastebin.com/d12da7f16 lastnight i did a apt-get update and apt-get dist-upgrade and i woke up to this in my /var/log/apt/term.log http://pastebin.com/d12da7f16 |
| 14:03.33 | Sia0-0 | aha with vim to? |
| 14:03.52 | beardy | cedric3: No, the timezone is not the problem, CEST is your timezone. |
| 14:03.55 | stew | Sia0-0: it depends on the client you are using, probably not with the "ftp" client, but possible with, for example "ncftp" |
| 14:04.04 | segfault- | Sia0-0, gftp-text maybe support it.. |
| 14:04.21 | neonlightning | oops didn't realize i pasted the url twice there |
| 14:04.26 | cedric3 | beardy ; i have LC_ALL=fr_FR@euro LANG=fr_FR@euro.ISO-8859.. the same result Tue Aug 12 16:04:07 CEST 2008 |
| 14:05.04 | Sia0-0 | stew, right, but can with vim edit file on the server? ':he ftp' say is possible |
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| 14:05.17 | beardy | cedric3: Compare your locale settings with the other machine's, that had it in french.. I don't know then. |
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| 14:05.26 | cedric3 | beardy : i i try on other server i have on english and french but on this i have only english |
| 14:05.32 | stew | Sia0-0: i don't know, but it sounds like it |
| 14:05.36 | beardy | cedric3: Are the locales generated, or have you just copied the variables? |
| 14:06.04 | Sia0-0 | stew, thanx |
| 14:06.19 | cedric3 | beardy : i just copied i think |
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| 14:06.57 | segfault- | cedric3, echo $LANG |
| 14:07.08 | segfault- | cedric3, and check if the current lang setting is correct |
| 14:07.10 | cedric3 | beardy : http://pastebin.com/m76d6c0b5 |
| 14:07.14 | beardy | cedric3: Well, generate the locale then. 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' |
| 14:07.20 | ruben | beardy: well, no problem, maybe is not possible, thanks |
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| 14:07.38 | segfault- | cedric3, also, edit /etc/environment |
| 14:07.40 | cedric3 | segfault- : i have fr_FR@euro.ISO-8859-15 |
| 14:07.46 | cedric3 | *and other is the same variable |
| 14:07.51 | cedric3 | *and other server is the same variable |
| 14:08.04 | segfault- | cedric3, try login in / out |
| 14:08.10 | segfault- | or source back your bashrc |
| 14:08.10 | beardy | cedric3: That looks quite mixed up.. |
| 14:09.19 | cedric3 | segfault- : LANG="fr_FR.UTF-8" on the file /etc/environment and i try logout login the same problem |
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| 14:09.29 | cedric3 | beardy : i try dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:09.29 | beardy | ruben: Check aptitudes manual, but maybe not no.. dpkg can be forced though. |
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| 14:09.43 | segfault- | cedric3, correct the environment file |
| 14:09.45 | beardy | ruben: But know what you are doing. |
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| 14:10.40 | [\\PWN\-_-_-_-] | Hi! |
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| 14:11.18 | segfault- | pwn : change your nickname please.. |
| 14:11.47 | dimir | WTF nick |
| 14:11.55 | segfault- | dimir, ^^ |
| 14:12.12 | [\\PWN\-_-_-_-] | Sorry. |
| 14:12.21 | nareshov | ;p; |
| 14:12.23 | nareshov | lol |
| 14:12.28 | [\\PWN\-_-_-_-] | Microsoft Chat sucks. :( |
| 14:12.34 | segfault- | cedric3, modify env, restart the server then check everything is ok |
| 14:12.40 | segfault- | pwn: people still use ms chat ?! |
| 14:12.48 | nareshov | try /nick Ñ(ï¾Ðï¾Ñ) |
| 14:12.51 | dimir | wth is that? |
| 14:13.09 | beardy | Don't tell people to restart.. restart, for a locale problem? |
| 14:13.16 | dimir | Oh, ye, the stuff like "appears as..." ? |
| 14:13.17 | beardy | I wouldn't listen to that one anymore. |
| 14:13.20 | neonlightning | segfault-, idk me and my buddies once in a while still pop it open to laugh at the comics mode |
| 14:13.23 | segfault- | beardy, it's the global env problem |
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| 14:13.36 | nareshov | 1girl1cup.com? |
| 14:13.37 | nareshov | o.o |
| 14:13.38 | cedric3 | segfault- : i try sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales now it's french very thanks segfault- and beardy |
| 14:13.39 | segfault- | beardy, or tell him wich service manage that |
| 14:13.50 | OpenTokix | 0girlssolitudecup.com |
| 14:13.52 | segfault- | cedric3, no |
| 14:14.02 | cedric3 | segfault- : no ? |
| 14:14.18 | segfault- | cedric3, wrong windows, sorry |
| 14:14.48 | segfault- | cedric3, everything is smooth now ? |
| 14:16.02 | humbolt | is there a repository available with the latest and greatest multimedia packages? |
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| 14:16.14 | beardy | !marillat |
| 14:16.14 | dpkg | from memory, dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
| 14:16.17 | humbolt | especially mplayer and ffmpeg? |
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| 14:16.30 | segfault- | humbolt, check the info from beardy |
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| 14:16.52 | humbolt | segfault-: at least the etch packages are way to old!!! |
| 14:16.53 | cedric3 | my problem is the date of the file is not good i mount the nfs share on one server is -rw-r--r-- 1 test test 1 2007-10-22 13:58 test -rw-rw---- 1 test test 492 2008-08-12 05:00 test |
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| 14:17.04 | humbolt | in debian-multimedia I mean! |
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| 14:17.19 | segfault- | humbolt, there is testing packages if you want them i guess.. |
| 14:17.27 | cedric3 | the same file is mount on two server but the date is wrong on one server i think it's a translation of the date |
| 14:17.38 | segfault- | cedric3, you're running ntp ? |
| 14:17.47 | humbolt | segfault-: won't that screw up my whole installation? |
| 14:17.54 | humbolt | segfault-: dependencies?! |
| 14:18.01 | segfault- | humbolt, it can. |
| 14:18.05 | beardy | humbolt: What version of Debian are you running? |
| 14:18.10 | humbolt | etch |
| 14:18.16 | segfault- | humbolt, the other option is to use build-package |
| 14:18.22 | cedric3 | segfault- : yes when i type date i have the good time on both server |
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| 14:18.31 | cedric3 | but when i see the date of files is not good |
| 14:18.32 | quail | is due for a laptop upgrade soon and I was wondering what peaople think be worth upgrading too?, my current laptop is is this => |
| 14:18.36 | quail | SysInfo: Linux 2.6.24-19-generic | Dual Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E8200 @ 2.66GHz 2664.000 MHz | Bogomips: 10669.87 | Mem: 2509/3959M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 226.79G Free: 170.99G | Procs: 140 | Uptime: 10 days 5 hrs 25 mins 29 secs | Load: 3.11 2.87 2.89 | Screen: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GT (rev a1) @ 1440x900 (32 bpp) | eth0: In: 1.62G Out: 162.41M |
| 14:18.42 | quail | Sensors: HDD: |
| 14:18.54 | cedric3 | segfault- : i don't know is you understand me |
| 14:18.55 | segfault- | cedric3, one of them is unsync or the nfs server have troubles reading /assigning it properly |
| 14:19.06 | segfault- | cedric3, sec |
| 14:19.09 | quail | oh damn oops that the remote host I am connected to |
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| 14:19.17 | stew | quail: try #hardware |
| 14:19.18 | humbolt | segfault-: build-package will build form the same sources as the original package or am I getting something wronghere? |
| 14:19.20 | beardy | quail: Stop that. Try #hardware, but ask if they want such output before you do it. |
| 14:19.40 | quail | sorry |
| 14:19.41 | beardy | !tell humbolt about debian-multimedia.etch |
| 14:19.55 | beardy | segfault-: Don't tell people to install testing packages. |
| 14:20.01 | segfault- | humbolt, the build-package will require some tweaking |
| 14:20.27 | segfault- | beardy, i've been patient, but just go fsck yourself, i've told him that he could use them but that it could be risky |
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| 14:20.47 | beardy | Unnecessary. |
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| 14:20.51 | segfault- | cedric3, do you use noac option ? |
| 14:21.28 | beardy | Risky? It's just stupid and wrong, if he doesn't ask for it, why would you tell someone on etch to install testing packages? |
| 14:21.31 | cedric3 | segfault- : type nfs (rw,rsize=1024,wsize=1024,timeo=10,intr,tcp,addr=***) it(s the option |
| 14:21.33 | segfault- | humbolt, and to build testing sources for etch, it will require some major tweaking |
| 14:21.44 | cedric3 | segfault- : i don't use noac |
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| 14:22.10 | segfault- | cedric3, k sec.. continuing to check.. |
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| 14:22.42 | cedric3 | segfault : thanks for your help |
| 14:22.45 | segfault- | cedric3, they both use the same ntp server ? how much different is the time ? (days ? seconds ?) |
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| 14:24.39 | abrotman | segfault-: stop being mean to people |
| 14:24.41 | cedric3 | segfault- : the good server : mardi 12 ao�t 2008, 16:24:20 (UTC+0200) and the wrong server : mardi 12 ao�t 2008, 16:24:35 (UTC+0200) |
| 14:25.02 | cedric3 | segfault- : i use the same server ntp |
| 14:25.09 | segfault- | cedric3, o_0 |
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| 14:25.42 | cedric3 | segfault- strange :) |
| 14:25.54 | segfault- | cedric3, you could try using noac or recreate the the folders |
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| 14:26.25 | segfault- | cedric3, (noac allows a tighter control but is more restrictive) |
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| 14:27.14 | cedric3 | segfault-: i have more nfs style handle i don't know if the problem have a link of this |
| 14:27.22 | lclimber | hello everyone, i just installed debian on my amd64 pc, i have a problem, everytime i reboot the system the network iface name changes as eth0 then eth1 eth2 eth3 etc , what can i do |
| 14:27.48 | segfault- | cedric3, i'm clueless actually, it shouldn't act this way o_0 |
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| 14:27.54 | cedric3 | i see the noac option i think if i remount the share is work i can't know because people use |
| 14:28.00 | segfault- | cedric3, you're running an rsync ? |
| 14:28.23 | cedric3 | segfault-, no |
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| 14:29.28 | segfault- | cedric3, i'm out of possible solutions then |
| 14:29.51 | cedric3 | segfault- : no probleme very very thanks for your help |
| 14:30.33 | stew | lclimber: /msg dpkg z25 |
| 14:31.32 | segfault- | cedric3, yw.. |
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| 14:31.38 | lclimber | stew o such file or directory....?? |
| 14:31.56 | stew | dpkg: tell lclimber about z25 |
| 14:31.58 | segfault- | lclimber, dpkg is a bot. |
| 14:32.30 | lclimber | ok |
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| 14:33.51 | FabParma | I have a curiosity probabilly OT. Why the 90% of distributions use Gnome as default? I used Gnome and Kde over years and imho KDE it is absolutly the best. Is someone able to explain the reasons? Thank You in advance |
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| 14:34.16 | muddd | um, i can't find nfs.conf and i have nfs installed on my computer... where would i limit the number of threads that start? |
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| 14:34.34 | stew | FabParma: i can explain the reasons for debian using gnome, which is that a DD made an arbitrary decision many many years ago. |
| 14:34.44 | segfault- | FabParma, (troll, warned) because they mostly choose the lesser evil wm ? :) |
| 14:35.12 | pickcoder | muddd: did you look @ /etc/default/nfs-common |
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| 14:35.15 | stew | FabParma: though he has later said that gnome is more often complete in testing |
| 14:35.31 | muddd | no pickcoder but i will now. I did not know it would be there |
| 14:35.32 | dusty_ | Hey guys, I have a firewall script: http://rafb.net/p/52ujkq51.html and relevant entries in syslog.conf restarted syslog and in my firewall script i log ssh connections, so i made an ssh connection to my server and nothing appeared in /var/log/firewall. I took the iptables script down, added one line to test logging which was: iptables -A INPUT -j LOG and then i hit 'dmesg' or tail /var/log/firewall and |
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| 14:35.35 | lclimber | stew, so what should i look for in that file, i dont really understand why there are so many mac addresses in there? |
| 14:35.37 | dusty_ | my logs are pounded with iptables traffic, so why does it not log with my current example what am I doing wrong ? |
| 14:35.39 | segfault- | muddd, /etc/exports |
| 14:36.10 | pickcoder | segfault-: I thought that was just for access control |
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| 14:37.07 | Speereet | Hi again. I only have debian Etch r3 DVD's and I must get an atl2 module working under its kernel. How do I achieve this? How can I compile the module for 2.6.18-6-486? |
| 14:37.07 | stew | lclimber: does your mac address keep changing? |
| 14:37.18 | segfault- | pickcoder, hmmm, well it's where i setup all my exports usually, don't do anything else ... i'm prolly wrong but something setup there should work |
| 14:37.18 | stew | lclimber: if it does you may need to disable this udev feature |
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| 14:37.23 | muddd | i see it pickcoder thank you... now i only have nfs going to one computer, can i drop it down to one instance? |
| 14:37.30 | stew | lclimber: (unless you can figure out how to stop it from changing) |
| 14:38.22 | lclimber | stew, yes it does, it just created a eth6 iface |
| 14:38.26 | xdr | for i in *.mid;do d=${i};test -d $d || mkdir $d ;mv $i $d;done <-- anoyone know how to make it caseinsenstive |
| 14:38.32 | muddd | oh nevermind i will just do it and see what happens |
| 14:38.34 | muddd | thank you |
| 14:38.43 | segfault- | xdr, #bash ? :) |
| 14:38.44 | OpenTokix | lclimber: sounds like your /etc/udev/rules.d/z25-presistent-net-rules is b0rken |
| 14:39.04 | OpenTokix | ok |
| 14:39.08 | OpenTokix | mental note to self, read conversation |
| 14:39.13 | OpenTokix | lclimber: nevermind me |
| 14:39.25 | lclimber | ok |
| 14:39.26 | stew | lclimber: is this i forcedeth? |
| 14:39.31 | lclimber | yes |
| 14:39.37 | stew | lclimber: /msg dpkg forcedeth mac |
| 14:39.37 | FabParma | stew: thanks |
| 14:39.39 | muddd | [I]? |
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| 14:40.31 | lclimber | stew, can't see the bot message |
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| 14:41.27 | galois_ | !tell lclimber forcedeth |
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| 14:42.20 | stew | !forcedeth mac |
| 14:42.20 | dpkg | If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
| 14:43.04 | abrotman | stew: given the status of Qt years ago .. do you think it was arbitrary? |
| 14:43.20 | stew | dpkg: forcedeth mac =~ s# and replace#, remove all but one entry, and replace# |
| 14:43.20 | dpkg | OK, stew |
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| 14:44.16 | stew | abrotman: well joey characterized it as arbitrary, but i don't know if he really means that he, like, picked it out of a hat |
| 14:44.52 | abrotman | :) |
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| 14:46.12 | dusty_ | Hey guys, I have a firewall script: http://rafb.net/p/52ujkq51.html and relevant entries in syslog.conf restarted syslog and in my firewall script i log ssh connections, so i made an ssh connection to my server and nothing appeared in /var/log/firewall. I took the iptables script down, added one line to test logging which was: iptables -A INPUT -j LOG and then i hit 'dmesg' or tail /var/log/firewall and my logs are pounded |
| 14:46.12 | dusty_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:49.43 | petemc | dusty_: what parses that script? |
| 14:50.38 | HypnoGenX | How do I switch Debian from using postgresql-client-7.4 to using postgresql-client-8.1? Both are installed, and the actual DB server runs version 8, causing errors when trying to use pg_dump. I don't normally work with Debian, and can't seem to find a quick answer in any documentation. |
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| 14:51.44 | stew | dusty_: are you sure that iptables logs to kern.* by default? (i thought it was auth.*) |
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| 14:51.50 | justin | HypnoGenX: easiest way is just to remove postgresql-client-7.4 |
| 14:52.14 | HypnoGenX | justin: Any risks with that? |
| 14:52.49 | hifi | starting X for specific user from rc.local, anyone? |
| 14:52.57 | justin | HypnoGenX: probably not.. you should also be able to just run /usr/lib/postgresql/8.1/bin/pg_dump |
| 14:53.01 | hifi | tried to run su -c startx user but didn't quite work |
| 14:53.30 | HypnoGenX | justin: Thanks. :-) |
| 14:53.31 | stew | hifi: "dpkg-reconfigure x11-common", assuming the error you are getting is "user not authorized to start x server" or some such |
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| 14:53.58 | justin | HypnoGenX: the pg_ tools are basically all wrappers.. you can read the top of /usr/bin/pg_dump |
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| 14:54.26 | hifi | stew: ah, probably |
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| 14:55.29 | HypnoGenX | Aha. |
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| 14:56.02 | epsilon | dusty_: did you restart syslogd and sysklogd? |
| 14:57.28 | epsilon | dusty_: beside that, instead of forwarding everything into same kernel log, try using "--log-level debug" |
| 14:57.52 | epsilon | in this way you can redirect firewall output to kern.debug instead kern.* |
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| 14:58.30 | epsilon | example for syslog would be |
| 14:58.57 | epsilon | kern.=debug -/var/log/kern.debug.firewall |
| 14:58.57 | epsilon | kern.*;kern.!=debug -/var/log/kern.log |
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| 15:01.03 | jerojasro | hi all. I have a couple of computers, which will be connected directly through their network interfaces. I have this http://dpaste.com/70942/ as the configuration of the interface. however, when doing an "ifup eth1" the interface doesn't get any IP address |
| 15:01.12 | jerojasro | any ideas on what am I missing |
| 15:01.13 | jerojasro | ? |
| 15:01.23 | jetscreamer | i love #ubuntu |
| 15:01.27 | jetscreamer | not |
| 15:01.42 | wols | jetscreamer: OT |
| 15:01.50 | jetscreamer | lol |
| 15:02.08 | petemc | jerojasro: does ifup prodce any output? |
| 15:02.16 | wols | jetscreamer: yes. several settings |
| 15:02.21 | jetscreamer | hey wols help that whyeagle dude plz |
| 15:02.25 | jerojasro | petemc, nope |
| 15:02.30 | jetscreamer | whte whatever |
| 15:02.35 | wols | also check any errors you might get |
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| 15:02.46 | wols | jetscreamer: wyth? |
| 15:02.56 | petemc | jerojasro: how are you confirming the settings arent applied? |
| 15:03.09 | jerojasro | checking the output of ifconfig |
| 15:04.00 | jetscreamer | whyteagle or something, the intel/video/glxinfo dude |
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| 15:04.11 | shahri | ok guys, I think I'll continue with my nvidia driver problem now... :P |
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| 15:04.24 | Lord^Anubis1 | what nvidia driver problem? |
| 15:04.31 | Lord^Anubis1 | oh, sorry |
| 15:04.35 | Lord^Anubis1 | wrong tab |
| 15:04.39 | shahri | ok |
| 15:04.41 | shahri | np |
| 15:04.52 | jetscreamer | if the stock nvidia packages actually usually worked w/o any hassles, i'd never say #nvidia or nvidia.com |
| 15:05.08 | segfault- | nvidia-glx |
| 15:05.14 | jerojasro | petemc, http://dpaste.com/70945/ |
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| 15:05.23 | DexterF | hi |
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| 15:05.57 | shahri | ok, I should remove every backports package related to nvidia? |
| 15:05.57 | DexterF | gto a new board with onboard sound, disbaled that in bios still linux talks to it. how can I disable completely or at least force debian to make my sound blaster card number 1? |
| 15:06.21 | harpal | hey any one have used console redirection? |
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| 15:07.09 | cahoot | DexterF: try asoundconf |
| 15:07.18 | jetscreamer | !blacklist |
| 15:07.18 | dpkg | In etch, lenny and sid, create/edit /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and add a line similar to this (without quotes): "blacklist module_name". IMPORTANT: ask about <blacklist-initramfs>. For sarge ask me about <blacklist sarge>. To blacklist a module at installation time, ask me about <installer blacklist>. |
| 15:07.54 | petemc | jerojasro: odd, does it work if you use ifconfig to configure the address? |
| 15:08.39 | wols | shahri: it'S your kernel that causes it to be bpo |
| 15:08.48 | DexterF | cahoot: could do.. tho I really rather feel like disabling the module. where do I blacklist a module so the entry surivives an upgrade? |
| 15:08.51 | jerojasro | petemc, yup http://dpaste.com/70949/ |
| 15:09.01 | shahri | mh, so what should I do then? |
| 15:09.08 | wols | shahri: you can remove all nvidia packages and reinstall them all one by one if you want. also, maybe try the 2.6.25-2 kernel which ocmes with lenny |
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| 15:09.23 | cahoot | DexterF: see /msg dpkg blacklist as indicated above |
| 15:09.26 | wols | shahri: the self compiled nvidia packages btw... |
| 15:09.35 | shahri | is there a 686-version of the 2.6.25-2 kernel? |
| 15:09.47 | defrysk | of course |
| 15:09.50 | shahri | kk |
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| 15:10.22 | shahri | ah yeah, there it is |
| 15:10.23 | jetx | i'm sitting there typing !blacklist et al and i was disconnected.. :) |
| 15:10.50 | sts | hello folks. is there a way to run any scripts/hooks with deboostrap? |
| 15:10.59 | DexterF | cahoot: thanks |
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| 15:11.07 | sts | i need a way to automate the import of specific GPG keys. |
| 15:11.29 | jetx | sts: this sounds like a job for super #bash |
| 15:11.47 | jetx | ymmv |
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| 15:12.36 | jetx | !lart jetscreamer |
| 15:12.36 | dpkg | explains, ever so gently, that if jetscreamer doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
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| 15:13.05 | segfault- | sts, debootstrap the needed release then chroot inside and install anything you will need later |
| 15:13.18 | shahri | ok, so I should use this new kernel, reboot and then install the self-compiled nvidia packages again? |
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| 15:14.44 | Lenhix | Hello ppl. I'm mounting a mail server on Debian Etch and I need to join the machine into a Windows Domain to get the users from a Windows Active Directory using winbind. I've googled lots but I can't figure out how to solve this error I'm getting when trying to join the Windows Domain: utils/net_ads.c:ads_startup(289) ads_connect: Interrupted system call . I used this howto (http://www.esdebian.org/articulos/24000/unir-debian-dominio-active-directory) word |
| 15:14.49 | shahri | ok I'll reboot now, see you soon (hopefully) |
| 15:15.07 | hoxu | famous last words... |
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| 15:15.48 | sladi | D: |
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| 15:16.30 | Lenhix | I'm hoping anyone here can help me |
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| 15:16.53 | DexterF | I have now put the module on blacklist.local and it still gets loaded. how come? |
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| 15:18.02 | shahri | okay |
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| 15:18.12 | shahri | everything works so far... I mean, the system itself, not the nvidia drivers P: |
| 15:18.13 | shahri | *:P |
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| 15:18.33 | Posterdati | hi |
| 15:19.05 | Posterdati | please is anyone using nut with belkin active battery backup? upsd using wrong driver... |
| 15:19.06 | shahri | mh, did you notice those spambots? |
| 15:19.10 | shahri | I think this sucks quite a lot |
| 15:19.31 | amfwrk | How can I remove a package without having it's dependencies removed as well? |
| 15:19.38 | segfault- | shahri, not uncommon on irc |
| 15:19.50 | shahri | true |
| 15:20.11 | shahri | at least it's somewhat creative spam |
| 15:20.25 | shahri | but ok, this is offtopic, I'll stop talking about it here |
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| 15:20.30 | segfault- | i'm feeling dirty |
| 15:20.32 | segfault- | <Sk8rLanny> Bras are made for women, but they can easily be worn by men too. They are amazing to wear, even if you are a guy. I am a guy and wear a bra daily. It feels great. The straps, the cups, the band, everything. So many styles, colors, and brands means bra wearing will never get old. So if you want a great experience, wear a bra today. |
| 15:20.34 | mattt | anyone here familiar w/ qemu? |
| 15:20.39 | segfault- | fsckin' bots :S |
| 15:20.42 | shahri | I just got a message like this too |
| 15:20.45 | shahri | about men wearing bras |
| 15:20.55 | shahri | somewhat strange, but as I said, offtopic |
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| 15:23.22 | shahri | mh, should I remove _every single_ nvidia package before installing them again? |
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| 15:25.04 | shahri | any idea? |
| 15:25.38 | shahri | 8 packages are installed... |
| 15:25.57 | shahri | ok I'll just remove them then |
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| 15:27.39 | segfault- | huhu |
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| 15:27.44 | Speereet | How do I compile a module for an older kernel? |
| 15:27.49 | Speereet | Or for another machine? |
| 15:27.51 | segfault- | sorry, time to quit or else i'll get my head chopped off |
| 15:28.38 | shahri | mh I can't even remove them... dependency problems |
| 15:28.47 | shahri | because they contain some libgl stuff |
| 15:28.53 | shahri | :/ |
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| 15:29.24 | shahri | what should I do? |
| 15:29.33 | segfault- | i don't know |
| 15:29.39 | segfault- | i use nvidia-glx for my nvidia cards |
| 15:29.45 | segfault- | have fun |
| 15:29.58 | shahri | hmm |
| 15:30.19 | shahri | ok I'll just install them again without removing the old ones first |
| 15:30.28 | shahri | probably this will fuck everything up again, but ok |
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| 15:33.57 | shahri | mh I'll use the packages named in the manual then |
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| 15:34.02 | shahri | not the sid ones |
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| 15:35.17 | edwin_quijada | hI! |
| 15:35.20 | shahri | phew, l bet this will break everything |
| 15:35.40 | edwin_quijada | How can I update my apache server to 2.2.8 from 2.2.3 |
| 15:35.43 | shahri | however, I got 25 minutes, then I'll have to do my homework |
| 15:35.43 | sladi | shahri: I use 2.6.25-2 with Debian Nvidia packages fine |
| 15:35.49 | elif | Hi, there is a way to get sqlplus (oracle terminal to access oracle db) in debian?In oracle.com there is the program but I found too big to install, I would like to have just the tiny client... thx |
| 15:35.55 | shahri | ah hm |
| 15:36.06 | shahri | you downloaded them via apt? |
| 15:36.15 | shahri | or did you use this manual: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-337f90d1f5d7baf630273562556bb3feac6e98b0 ? |
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| 15:36.40 | edwin_quijada | elif: u need to download 3 packages for oracle |
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| 15:37.17 | elif | edwin_quijada: could you name them for me please ? |
| 15:37.44 | sladi | shahri: I used the wiki too. But there wan't the specific Lenny section at that time so I used probably the "Use module-assistant" section above it. |
| 15:38.01 | shahri | ah all right, thanks |
| 15:38.16 | Blackvel | hey guys. I run this production vserver with debian 3.1 sarge on it. my problem: probably the wrong archive keylist for apt. what is the correct keyset for oldstable sarge 3.1? The Etch 4.0 keys popup in apt-key list. How can I install the right 'debian-archive-keylist' (backport) for sarge? sources.list contained 'stable' so it used etch instead of sarge :( tried around with dpkg update and upgrade before (which failed). apt-ge |
| 15:38.20 | sladi | shahri: NP |
| 15:39.05 | keith4 | the other day, when I asked why scripts in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d can't have a . in the name, someone told me which man page to read. does anyone know which man page that'd be? |
| 15:39.11 | sladi | shahri: I used Lenny and Sid repos |
| 15:39.29 | vlt | Hello. I just installed Debian Etch using the text installer and configured "/boot" to be on /dev/md0, while "/" is on an LV in an LVM VG on /dev/md1. Now when I boot, the kernel complains about missing /dev/mapper/vg-root. Why didn't initrd load LVM? |
| 15:39.32 | shahri | mhh ok |
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| 15:43.15 | stew | Blackvel: its signed with both 6070D3A1 and ADB11277 |
| 15:45.02 | shahri | mh maybe I just found out what the error is :o |
| 15:45.09 | shahri | okay, it's quite easy actually: |
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| 15:45.32 | shahri | when running nvidia-config it overwrites the _whole_ config file |
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| 15:45.59 | shahri | as you remember, after restarting I were experiencing trouble with the keyboard layout, so ran dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 15:46.09 | shahri | I think you can easily guess what the problem was/is now: |
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| 15:46.43 | shahri | the reconfigure stuff overwrites the whole file again so that the keyboard layout is correct but the nvidia stuff isn't |
| 15:46.56 | shahri | I'm not sure whether this is the actual error, but I can easily find out |
| 15:47.25 | edwin_quijada | oracle-instantclient-basic-11.1.0.1-1.i386.rpm |
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| 15:47.47 | Blackvel | stew: interesting. both are in my keyset. http://pastebin.com/d1074bf73. maybe it is only an error for non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US and I should simply ignore it? |
| 15:47.56 | edwin_quijada | oracle-instantclient-devel-11.1.0.1-1.i386.rpm |
| 15:48.07 | Cpudan80 | Wow |
| 15:48.08 | edwin_quijada | oracle-instantclient-sqlplus-11.1.0.1-1.i386.rpm |
| 15:48.11 | stew | Blackvel: get rid of non-us, its no longer used: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 15:48.15 | elif | edwin_quijada: thks |
| 15:48.24 | Cpudan80 | You guys really did an awesome job on the debian graphical installer |
| 15:48.32 | Cpudan80 | It's better than the ubuntu one |
| 15:48.41 | Cpudan80 | Kudos |
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| 15:49.36 | Blackvel | stew: oh ok. so probably ftp.de.debian.org and security.debian.org are enough? |
| 15:49.40 | Blackvel | when sources.list pointed to "stable" and I hit apt-get update did I actually corrupt anything on my sarge server? like I tried to run upgrade and it aborted (maybe because of server) |
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| 15:50.41 | Lenhix | Now that you mention it, Blackvel, i've always wanted to know the syntax of a line in the sources.list... |
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| 15:50.57 | stew | Blackvel: yes, those should be enough |
| 15:51.17 | stew | Blackvel: as long aas you didn't actually upgrade anything. "/msg dpkg sarge->etch" for the recommended upgrade procedure |
| 15:51.21 | AlexJ | hello...has anyone here tryied to use the ethernet card as a dot1q trunk inteface? |
| 15:51.24 | Blackvel | *smile* maybe I didn't crash my system... |
| 15:51.24 | stew | Lenhix: man sources.list |
| 15:51.46 | AlexJ | (using vconfig command and 8021q module) |
| 15:51.54 | Blackvel | i tried but it aborted because of errors |
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| 15:52.04 | Blackvel | hopefully its a all or nothing transaction |
| 15:52.08 | Blackvel | an all... |
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| 15:53.08 | Blackvel | hmmm welll..honestly....when it pointed to stable (etch) I did: apt-get install postgrey, apt-get install apache2 and apt-get install postfix (postfix and postgrey runs) and apache2 gave me error and aborted |
| 15:53.33 | edwin_quijada | if I add this reppo deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian lenny main |
| 15:53.39 | edwin_quijada | I am changing to lenny? |
| 15:53.49 | newsense | just got a cheap nat router and noticed that resolving domain names takes a lot longer than without the router(google loads instantly by ip but takes a while to resolve by nae ) ideas ? |
| 15:54.04 | liable | ipv6 lookups? |
| 15:54.16 | Lenhix | edwin_quijada: i guess you will be using lenny (testing) repos |
| 15:54.18 | newsense | liable how do i check |
| 15:54.27 | Blackvel | is there some easy way to check if apt and repository is in a good state? |
| 15:54.56 | liable | newsense: sniffer |
| 15:54.56 | liable | tcpdump or wireshark or whatever |
| 15:55.22 | newsense | liable ok and do i want ipv6 lookups or not ? |
| 15:55.22 | newsense | guessing not |
| 15:55.52 | liable | newsense: some routers time out doing them, i have had two that do it. you might need to stop your debian box asking for them |
| 15:56.09 | edwin_quijada | is there a way to see all users in my system? |
| 15:56.36 | newsense | ok ill look on google to see how to disable ipv6 lookups, thanks liable i was lost on this one haha |
| 15:57.13 | liable | np |
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| 15:57.53 | Zambezi | I unpublished my printer in Cups and then it stopped working and there's nothing with cups* in /etc/init.d/ and System - Printer says "Not connected to server". Lenny here with Brother HL-2030 (not working be default, but cartridge is not empty). |
| 15:59.27 | Speereet | Is there a way to easily upgrade my kernel while being offline? What are the requirements? |
| 15:59.32 | wols | edwin_quijada: last |
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| 16:00.17 | cahoot | Speereet: upgrade from where? |
| 16:00.24 | AlexJ | how can i see if a module is compiled into the kernel? |
| 16:00.32 | Zambezi | edwin_quijada: And w (in console) to see which are logged in atm. |
| 16:00.46 | cahoot | AlexJ: grep the kernel config |
| 16:00.46 | Zambezi | AlexJ: lsmod (iirc) |
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| 16:01.19 | AlexJ | doesn lsmod only list the modules insterted outside the kernel? |
| 16:01.28 | Speereet | cahoot: download the packages from another machine, and upgrade from a 2.6.18-6-486 kernel. |
| 16:01.29 | cahoot | AlexJ: grep <name> /boot/config-(uname -r) |
| 16:01.33 | JordiGH | Is it possible to encrypt the hard drive with Blowfish? |
| 16:02.49 | cahoot | Speereet: so the deb is present on the system that you want the new kernel on? the just dpkg -i linux-image... would do |
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| 16:03.54 | AlexJ | k..thx |
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| 16:06.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | why is there no sarge at archive.debian.org? |
| 16:06.42 | vlt | Hello. What is the best way to add a package (like lvm2) to an initrd? |
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| 16:06.58 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: (at least many of) the main mirrors are still carrying sarge |
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| 16:07.10 | Speereet | cahoot: Hmm? I'm new to debian, do I don't know what else I need. Should I just download a stable kernel image and do as you say? How about this: I have this machine on which I must do a network install -- no bootp -- but the ethernet card requires a module that is supported ONLY by 2.6.24 kernels and latter (atl2). How do I work around this? |
| 16:08.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | vlt, 'apt-get install lvm2' - if it's something that needs to be started up at boot, the package should take care of it (or ask you for options if it may or may not start up) |
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| 16:08.17 | Cpudan80 | I am reading here on wikipeida that "testing does not receive updates from the debian team" |
| 16:08.44 | shahri | people, I got the nvidia drivers working!! |
| 16:08.47 | Cpudan80 | err regular security updates and scrutiny from the deb team is what it says |
| 16:08.51 | shahri | it was just as I said |
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| 16:08.51 | Cpudan80 | Is that true? |
| 16:08.52 | JordiGH | Cpudan80: Huh? I guess they mean security fixes. |
| 16:08.54 | vlt | CutMeOwnThroat: The problem is: The system doesn't boot vecause lvm2 seems to be missing in initrd. Any idea howe to solve this? |
| 16:09.00 | shahri | nvidia-xconfig + reconfigure = crap |
| 16:09.04 | stew | Cpudan80: it is true |
| 16:09.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I misunderstood you |
| 16:09.15 | Cpudan80 | so it never gets security patches? |
| 16:09.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, ok, I'll look there, thx |
| 16:09.22 | stew | Cpudan80: it sometimes gets security patches |
| 16:09.33 | Cpudan80 | well but I mean, it gets bugfixes |
| 16:09.36 | \amethyst | the WP article on Debian says "Since 2005-09-09[19] the testing branches security updates have been provided by the testing security team." |
| 16:09.40 | Cpudan80 | couldnt those be security related? |
| 16:09.45 | wols | Cpudan80: it does. sometimes. rarely |
| 16:10.17 | Cpudan80 | so testing is unsecure? |
| 16:10.21 | vlt | I booted the installer cd, chose "rescue" mode, opened a shell and mounted boot. What next? |
| 16:10.21 | stew | Cpudan80: if there is a known bug in testing, security or otherwise, it could be months before it is fixed |
| 16:10.26 | stew | Cpudan80: yes, testing is unsecure |
| 16:10.35 | Cpudan80 | hrm... |
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| 16:10.47 | clamiax | hi |
| 16:10.49 | Cpudan80 | But I mean once the fix is released it goes to testing right? |
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| 16:10.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | vlt, did you look at all these links? |
| 16:11.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lvm |
| 16:11.00 | dpkg | it has been said that lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:11.01 | stew | Cpudan80: usually if it is known that a security bug would linger in testing for a long time the testing-security team will try to prepare a testing specific upload, but there are no guarantees |
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| 16:11.03 | Cpudan80 | I mean - it would have to go through testing before making it to stable |
| 16:11.09 | JordiGH | stable is insecure sometimes. See: SSL fiasco. :-( |
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| 16:11.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | er |
| 16:11.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | !lvm2 |
| 16:11.21 | dpkg | i guess lvm is the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 16:11.22 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: http://testing-security.debian.net/#limitations mentions some of the limitations |
| 16:11.32 | stew | Cpudan80: no, security fixes don't have to go through testing to enter stable, they are uploaded directly to stable |
| 16:11.39 | Cpudan80 | oh.... |
| 16:11.41 | Cpudan80 | hrm... |
| 16:11.49 | Cpudan80 | any way to get them into testing? |
| 16:11.53 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: usually security updates in testing happen through the normal unstable->testing migration |
| 16:11.59 | Cpudan80 | oh |
| 16:12.06 | Cpudan80 | I am just trying to pick the correct one to use |
| 16:12.13 | clamiax | i have any chance to install Debian (any version) on an hp compaq 6720s? It doesn't recognize the ethernet card, i googled a lot about but without results (as you can also see here: http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=19018&view=next&sid=8ba06e58c652d1c11c50a06becf5aa3f). Does anyone have an idea on how to solve the problem? Should I discard the netinst trying to make the network card work after a |
| 16:12.14 | clamiax | CD1 installation? THX in advanced. |
| 16:12.17 | Cpudan80 | Want some more agile than stable, but not unstable... |
| 16:12.26 | Cpudan80 | so I picked testing.... it seemed to be the middle ground |
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| 16:12.32 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: well, lenny is getting ready to become stable probably later this year |
| 16:12.38 | Cpudan80 | Eg. newer packages, kernel, etc |
| 16:12.42 | newsense | liable: thanks again im surfing at lightning fast speeds again after blacklisting ipv6 module, not sure if thats the proper way to do it but it worked |
| 16:12.43 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: so it isn't as dynamic as it would be at other times |
| 16:12.49 | stew | Cpudan80: packages normally enter testing by being uploaded to unstable, and then migrate to unstable some time later |
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| 16:13.03 | stew | Cpudan80: a new kerenl was recently added to stable |
| 16:13.03 | Cpudan80 | So would testing be an OK choice for just general use? |
| 16:13.14 | stew | Cpudan80: what other packages are too old in stable? |
| 16:13.14 | Cpudan80 | stew: yes but like new gnome and stuff |
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| 16:13.28 | stew | Cpudan80: a new gnome is not going to be available for etch |
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| 16:13.39 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: I think lenny would be an okay choice; when lenny is released, if you chose 'lenny' instead of 'unstable' you will be in the stable branch |
| 16:13.52 | shahri | wols: thanks for your help again |
| 16:13.59 | shahri | it does finally work now |
| 16:14.02 | Cpudan80 | Oh and when it is released the package manager will give me that option? |
| 16:14.04 | clamiax | no fucking clue :-( |
| 16:14.06 | shahri | <- afk |
| 16:14.09 | Cpudan80 | like which fork to go down |
| 16:14.13 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: it's when you first install |
| 16:14.25 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: or rather, what you have in your sources.list |
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| 16:14.42 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: if you have 'lenny' in sources.list, you will be using lenny even after it is released |
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| 16:15.26 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: if you have 'testing', it will be the same right now, but when lenny is released you will be using the new testing branch |
| 16:15.40 | wols | shahri: what did you do? |
| 16:16.28 | Cpudan80 | \amethyst: oh ok - I downloaded the CD1 for the testing branch |
| 16:16.35 | Cpudan80 | was that not right? |
| 16:16.39 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: that's fine |
| 16:16.50 | Cpudan80 | I havent done much else, other than install packages |
| 16:16.52 | vlt | How to make `cyptsetup` available when running in "rescue" mode from the installer cd? |
| 16:16.53 | Cpudan80 | its doing that now |
| 16:17.00 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: after you install, edit /etc/apt/sources.list so that is says 'lenny' instead of 'testing' |
| 16:17.00 | Cpudan80 | it hasnt finished hte install |
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| 16:17.13 | \amethyst | s/is says/it says/ |
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| 16:17.30 | Cpudan80 | \amethyst: ok and then say, down the road a ways when testing is more or less stable -- I can switch over to testing ? |
| 16:17.34 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: it might already say 'lenny' (I don't remember), in which case you're fine |
| 16:17.34 | Cpudan80 | by editing that line |
| 16:17.49 | \amethyst | Cpudan80: editing that line and doing a dist-upgrade, yes |
| 16:17.49 | Cpudan80 | of course you cant switch back - but thats ok |
| 16:17.56 | Cpudan80 | right yeah |
| 16:18.50 | \amethyst | s/doing a dist/doing an update and a dist/ |
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| 16:18.54 | Blackvel | oh yes, looks like my apt-get upgrade/install apache2 pointing to etch/stable screwed this sarge on some parts :( |
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| 16:19.07 | Blackvel | I should have asked BEFORE :) |
| 16:19.21 | vlt | What could have gone wrong when the installer created a GRUB menu.lst entry "root=/dev/mapper/vg-root" but didn't put LVM to the initrd? |
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| 16:22.20 | vlt | How to make `cyptsetup` available when running in "rescue" mode from the installer cd? |
| 16:23.17 | clamiax | brb |
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| 16:38.03 | Speereet | Isn't there any way I can install debian through network unless the module for my eth card is already in the installation image? |
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| 16:38.37 | Cpudan80 | Hrm so I installed lenny -- but the packages arent right I dont think |
| 16:38.44 | Lenhix | I don't think so Speereet |
| 16:38.44 | Cpudan80 | like online it says gnome-applets is 2.22.x |
| 16:38.58 | Cpudan80 | But it's only at 2.20 in the machine I just installed |
| 16:39.24 | Lenhix | If the modulefor your eth isn't in the installation image, how do you expect to use the eth and connect remotely? |
| 16:39.37 | Lenhix | Try latest stable version: 4.0r4 |
| 16:39.38 | sladi | Speereet: You mean you have te installaiotn files on a server and want to install on a client? |
| 16:39.50 | sladi | Speereet: over lan? |
| 16:39.58 | Lenhix | it comes with support for more hardware |
| 16:40.21 | Speereet | sladi: I mean I want to install debian on a client whose ethernet card is too exotic. |
| 16:41.30 | sladi | Speereet: I mean I know you can install using pxe for example and the kernel used there can be custom. You'd use debootstrap. |
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| 16:42.26 | Speereet | sladi: Hmm? How's that? |
| 16:42.41 | sladi | Speereet: http://www.jukie.net/~bart/blog/20070316092236 |
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| 16:42.53 | Speereet | Thanks, sladi. |
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| 16:43.53 | sladi | Speereet: NP, it worked for me :) Just hope the NIC supports PXE boot. You may have to turn on in bios. If it is unsupported google for etherboot. |
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| 16:45.34 | Lenhix | If that eth card is so exotic that Debian inst CD doesn't come with drivers either it's too old (and I don't so) or it's modern (and the it should suppoer PXE boot) |
| 16:46.10 | jpinx | I'm trying to install nrfs-3g and it's asking me for a kernel of at least 2.6.0 . I have updated and upgraded, but I don't know how to upgrade the kernel. Anyone able to help? |
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| 16:47.08 | Lenhix | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6? or linux-image-2.6 |
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| 16:47.20 | sladi | Speereet: sorry, this is more a diskless tutorial. Just burning a modified installer should be possible. |
| 16:48.53 | Speereet | sladi: do you know a manual for modifying installers? |
| 16:48.55 | jpinx | Lenhix: that gave no answer :( |
| 16:49.18 | Blackvel | puuuh. i could apache2 running again after it missed all the time the php4 module (after apt-get install apache2 for stable/etch directory) |
| 16:49.51 | sladi | Speereet: never did it but I found http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Modify |
| 16:49.53 | Z4ndX | Hello every one... Ive got a problem. Iv just installed Debian + LXDE but i just cant get any web browser to work. Iceweasel_3.0.1-1 is installed, iceape-browser installed but wont work. FF cant install because it says that Iceweasel is not 3.0.1-1.. but it is. Whats wrong here ? |
| 16:50.02 | Lenhix | and just linux-image? |
| 16:50.22 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 16:50.22 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is a vague statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 16:50.27 | Lenhix | linux-image-2.6.18-5-686 - Linux 2.6.18 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 << I' ve got that, for example |
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| 16:50.56 | Lenhix | use just kernel image |
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| 16:51.01 | Lenhix | or linux-image |
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| 16:52.57 | slayton | does anybody know when the plan is the package hdf5-1.8.1 into a deb for distribution? |
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| 16:53.18 | jpinx | Lenhix: uname -a gives me Linux DEBIANonT8000 2.6.18-6-686 #1 SMP Tue Jun 17 21:31:27 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux I need at least 2.6.2 |
| 16:53.32 | jpinx | Lenhix: can I apt-get it? |
| 16:53.49 | jpinx | doesn't want to break the box |
| 16:54.15 | Lenhix | uhm, you seem to have a recent kernel |
| 16:54.52 | wols | jpinx: where do you get ntfs-3g? |
| 16:55.03 | jpinx | wols: I backported it |
| 16:55.07 | wols | why= |
| 16:55.08 | wols | ? |
| 16:55.13 | jpinx | I managed that by rtfm ;) |
| 16:55.14 | wols | it'S already in bpo |
| 16:55.32 | wols | no need to backport it yourself. just use the bpo packages |
| 16:55.47 | jpinx | what's bpo? |
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| 16:56.37 | jpinx | Ah - ok wols I had to add backports to my sources.list |
| 16:57.03 | jpinx | and do the apt-get istall from them specifically. |
| 16:58.11 | jpinx | all the google pages for upgrading the kernel are quite old and I really don't want to break anything here |
| 16:58.41 | wols | you have a kernel suitable for ntfs-3g already |
| 16:58.44 | ratkymarcell | Hi. I'm using etch, and I've just extended my sources.list with Lenny repositories. I've tried to install a program, which should be about 30MB, and it says it would use 180MB. Dependencies seems to incorrect. (I would install anjuta, and it depends on, eg. APT). What should I do? |
| 16:58.55 | wols | you could upgrade to 2.6.24 from etchnhalf but that's it |
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| 16:59.17 | wols | ratkymarcell: do not mix lenny and etch. use a backport |
| 16:59.21 | wols | !tell ratkymarcell about backport |
| 16:59.49 | jpinx | wols: when i try to use my ntfs-3g it says my kernel needs upgrading |
| 17:00.02 | ratkymarcell | wols, okay, I will, thanks for help! |
| 17:00.15 | wols | jpinx: apt-cache policy ntfs-3g |
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| 17:00.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, just installed a couple of old xemacs21 packages - seems the error came in between versions 21.4.19-1 and 21.4.19-2 |
| 17:00.50 | jpinx | the ntfs-3g welp page says I need 2.6.20 at least |
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| 17:02.20 | jpinx | wols: that seems to repeat what I have done manually in my sources.list |
| 17:02.38 | wols | jpinx: I asked you to run a command. did you do it? |
| 17:02.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | infernix, heh - a diff -R on both complete directories is just 75 lines... |
| 17:02.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | ops |
| 17:03.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | meant infinitycircuit |
| 17:03.28 | jpinx | wols: yesInstalled: 1:1.516-1~bpo.1 |
| 17:03.28 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.29 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.29 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.29 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:03.29 | jpinx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:04.35 | jpinx | Ooops |
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| 17:05.59 | ratkymarcell | wols, is "etch-backports" for etch users, letting them using lenny, or for sarge users providing etch's packages? |
| 17:05.59 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, interesting |
| 17:06.00 | jpinx | wols: I can past that in #flood if you like |
| 17:06.19 | infinitycircuit | !tell jpinx about pastebin |
| 17:06.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, and still - I can see nothing that could cause it |
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| 17:06.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I cannot make the packages from the old source, because ... seems I cannot fulfill the build-deps |
| 17:07.05 | wols | ratkymarcell: it's for lenny backports to etch. what you need |
| 17:07.12 | ratkymarcell | thanks |
| 17:07.14 | wols | jpinx: use the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel |
| 17:07.27 | wols | !tell CutMeOwnThroat about errors |
| 17:07.30 | jpinx | wols: ok - how do i apt-get that? |
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| 17:07.49 | jpinx | wols: withoug breaking anything? |
| 17:07.58 | wols | by simply apt-getting it |
| 17:09.03 | jpinx | wols: apt-get install 2.6.24 ? |
| 17:09.12 | defrysk | almost |
| 17:09.52 | wols | jpinx: no. install a kernel |
| 17:10.14 | jpinx | wols: whats the man page for this? |
| 17:10.29 | jpinx | everything I find by google is years old |
| 17:10.39 | wols | !etchnhalf |
| 17:10.39 | dpkg | "etch + 1/2" -- an update to Debian's stable release "etch" designed to provide support for newer hardware. It includes a 2.6.24 kernel along with an updated installer. Release notes: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/etchnhalf Installation instructions: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/debian-installer/etchnhalf See also http://wiki.debian.org/EtchAndAHalf, or <etchnhalf facts> |
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| 17:10.55 | wols | jpinx: and updating kernels hasn't changed in years |
| 17:10.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | wols, we were just continuing a discussion from yesterday - flyspell correction-suggestons don't work in current xemacs packages, but they do in emacs packages (bugs 426038 and 403425) - and I just figured that the bug occured between package versions 21.4.19 patchlevel 1 and 2 |
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| 17:12.13 | ratkymarcell | Hm, "apt-get update" fails, due to an error "GPG key is not accesible NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C" |
| 17:12.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dibbler, imposter! |
| 17:12.37 | opensrcguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:12.42 | wols | !topicsmite ratkymarcell |
| 17:12.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon ratkymarcell. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:12.51 | Dibbler | Oh no I isn't!! |
| 17:13.29 | opensrcguru | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | Dibbler, trying to steal my clientele, I bet! |
| 17:13.41 | jpinx | what's the man page for updating kernels please? I have never done this before |
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| 17:14.10 | wols | jpinx: you apt-get the kernel package like any other one |
| 17:14.14 | wols | !tell jpinx about search |
| 17:14.17 | defrysk | jpinx, did you read wol's suggestion from dpkg ? |
| 17:14.20 | wols | !tell jpinx about apt howto |
| 17:14.21 | Dibbler | Not at all, they WANTS my Sausageinaun's (Tm) |
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| 17:14.46 | shahri | not afk anymore, wols: it was because of dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg overwriting the whole xorg-config-file |
| 17:15.03 | shahri | so when I changed the keyboard layout it deleted the nvidia part |
| 17:15.08 | shahri | and vice versa |
| 17:15.25 | shahri | so I just added the keyboard layout part manually using nano and now everything works :D |
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| 17:15.59 | shahri | as I said, thanks for the help |
| 17:16.44 | wols | gz :) |
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| 17:17.14 | shahri | thanks :) |
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| 17:17.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, the only new patch introduced there is "05_fix_FTBFS_on_kFreeBSD.dpatch" and that doesn't look as if it could cause anything... perhaps it's not in one of the accompanying packages |
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| 17:23.50 | benkong2 | I am trying to upgrade from etch to lenny 678 packages is that correct? |
| 17:24.14 | liable | would be i imagine |
| 17:24.25 | benkong2 | I did the /msg etch->lenny read already. |
| 17:24.47 | benkong2 | hmmm... didn't realise there was that much difference |
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| 17:26.28 | wols | benkong2: depends how many packages you have installed right now |
| 17:26.28 | wols | it updates probably pretty much all of them |
| 17:26.56 | benkong2 | wols, this is a fresh install...well I did add xfce4 |
| 17:27.07 | benkong2 | ok I am trying the upgrade now. thanks |
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| 17:28.00 | benkong2 | oh one last question |
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| 17:28.20 | benkong2 | I like to do major upgrades like this in init 3. Is that possible in debian? |
| 17:28.32 | neonlightning | benkong2, why do a fresh install of etch just to update to lenny why didn't you just install lenny? |
| 17:28.32 | wols | sure but what will that help? |
| 17:28.47 | wols | it won't change the upgrade at all. 2 to 5 are all the same in debian |
| 17:28.59 | benkong2 | neonlightning, I only had an etch cd |
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| 17:29.20 | lindenle | Hi Can someone help me get an ultrabay x6 cdrom to be detected after dock? |
| 17:29.26 | benkong2 | wols, I just thought that with all the package changes init 3 might be better. |
| 17:30.31 | amphi | lindenle: after docking the machine, or inserting the drive into the bay? |
| 17:30.42 | lindenle | docking the machine |
| 17:31.10 | defrysk | benkong2, one of the questios asks if you wish to restart services , one of them is gdm , make sure to erease gdm thre |
| 17:31.31 | jpinx | wols: the 2.6.24 etchnhalf kernel doesn't come up in apt-get. I have just installed the same kernel as I already had:/ |
| 17:31.34 | defrysk | geez typos |
| 17:31.47 | amphi | lindenle: it works automagically here; is the ata_piix module loaded there? |
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| 17:31.54 | lindenle | yes |
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| 17:31.57 | wols | jpinx: pastebin your sources.list |
| 17:32.19 | amphi | lindenle: try removing it and inserting it again |
| 17:32.58 | lindenle | what device does it show up as |
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| 17:33.01 | jpinx | wols: k |
| 17:33.22 | lindenle | amphi ^ |
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| 17:33.54 | amphi | sg0? scd0? have a look at your log |
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| 17:34.51 | lindenle | i dont get any output in log |
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| 17:35.34 | jpinx | wols: http://pastebin.ca/1168335 |
| 17:36.00 | amphi | lindenle: you should have - I see stuff about usb devices and the optical drive when I dock mine |
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| 17:36.51 | lindenle | amphi: I see th usb stuff just nothing about the optical drive |
| 17:36.59 | wols | jpinx: I explicitly told you to get the 2.6.24 kernel |
| 17:37.07 | wols | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=linux-image-2.6.24&searchon=names&suite=stable§ion=all |
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| 17:38.05 | lindenle | seems that i have piix loaded too |
| 17:38.38 | lindenle | but i cannot get it out |
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| 17:39.01 | lindenle | gues that could be a problem |
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| 17:39.59 | jpinx | wols - thanks - it's not called "kernel-image" hence the confusion |
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| 17:40.53 | lindenle | is there a way to tell the kernel not to load certain modules? |
| 17:41.04 | dondelelcaro | !tell lindenle -about blacklist |
| 17:41.25 | amphi | lindenle: strange; it Just Works here |
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| 17:41.44 | lindenle | can you send me an lsmod (or pastebin it?) |
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| 17:42.07 | amphi | I don't have the dock with me |
| 17:42.20 | amphi | I'm also on 2.6.26.2 here |
| 17:42.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess the "Binary" section of a package shown with apt-get showsrc tells me which binary packages are made from this source package? |
| 17:42.34 | ratkymarcell | apt-get -t etch-backports install anjuta says the most current version is already installed. It's 1.2.4a, but according to this: http://packages.debian.org/lenny/anjuta Lenny has version 2.4. apt-get update was ok, upgrade didn't do anything. GPG is okay now. So what did I miss? |
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| 17:45.00 | defrysk | ratkymarcell, it means there is no backort of that package |
| 17:45.05 | wols | ratkymarcell: lenny is not a backport |
| 17:45.10 | defrysk | backport |
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| 17:45.18 | wols | ratkymarcell: not all packages are backported from lenny |
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| 17:45.37 | wols | !tell ratkymarcell about ssb |
| 17:46.14 | keith4 | the other day, when I asked why scripts in /etc/dhcp3/dhclient-exit-hooks.d can't have a . in the name, someone told me which man page to read. does anyone know which man page that'd be? |
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| 17:47.28 | cahoot | mn . ? ;) |
| 17:47.48 | justin | keith4: run-parts ? |
| 17:47.50 | abrotman | HI! |
| 17:48.03 | keith4 | justin: yah, that's the one |
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| 17:49.03 | Raxx | k |
| 17:49.11 | TimoX | in packagenames like "Package: kdebase (4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-6etch2)", what is the meaning of "4:"? |
| 17:49.26 | Zambezi | beardy: It's finally working. The problem was the drivers and I couldn't install the drivers from Brother's homepage, but then I found the error. I had to create a folder, then it worked. |
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| 17:49.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | TimoX, lemme guess - like in "kde4"? |
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| 17:50.55 | defrysk | 4 rimes with ignore |
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| 17:51.21 | TimoX | CutMeOwnThroat, thought so too at first, but source version is called "kdebase 3.5.5.a.dfsg.1.orig.tar.gz -which looks like KDE 3.5.5 .. |
| 17:52.01 | defrysk | TimoX, ignore the 4 |
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| 17:52.19 | RichiH | is there a way to send the <cr>~. through a ssh session to the _next_ ssh session? |
| 17:52.56 | abrotman | Why does RichiH only ask ridiculous questions? :) |
| 17:53.09 | RichiH | ah, <cr>~~. |
| 17:53.12 | RichiH | knda obvious |
| 17:53.17 | stew | like, duh |
| 17:53.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | <cr>~.? |
| 17:53.52 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: that is the escape sequense for ssh |
| 17:53.56 | RichiH | abrotman: because those are the only ones i don't think about before asking them :p |
| 17:54.05 | RichiH | CutMeOwnThroat: try it on a session you don't need |
| 17:54.27 | plundra | How the hell do I force the fscking debian-installer to belive I actually have a stupid hdd available? Because I have, and it shows up fine as sda, is partitonable with fdisk/cfdisk etc. But still, d-i whines like a little bitch about it. |
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| 17:54.51 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: hit "<cr>~?" |
| 17:54.55 | plundra | And of couse, selecting some other "step" it says it depends on Detecting disks etc. |
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| 17:54.59 | plundra | course* |
| 17:55.03 | chadlipscomb | hello |
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| 17:55.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | it's just "~." - wossthe cr do there? |
| 17:55.18 | plundra | Is there an in-memory variable of the gui, or can I just create a control-file somewhere? |
| 17:55.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | and thanks for that - I never knew |
| 17:55.42 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: <cr> meaning 'carriage return' |
| 17:55.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, yes, but it's not needed(?) |
| 17:56.01 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: it is |
| 17:56.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, ok, seems so |
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| 17:56.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | wow... suspend the ssh, how useful |
| 17:56.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | and I never knew |
| 17:56.54 | Symbi0nt | does someone know how i can mount a windows partition from a debian inside a vmware with a bridged network? |
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| 17:56.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | when did they introduce that feature? |
| 17:56.57 | bjwebb_ | hello |
| 17:57.09 | abrotman | Symbi0nt: did you share the windows drive? |
| 17:57.23 | Symbi0nt | I have only the console ... i don't know how :/ |
| 17:57.45 | Symbi0nt | I installed the small edition ... for testing |
| 17:57.55 | Symbi0nt | but I need a big tgz file from the outer windows |
| 17:58.06 | Symbi0nt | wget inside the debian didnt worked |
| 17:58.07 | bjwebb_ | i get a lot of errors about /var/lib/dpkg/info/, i think the files in there are corrupted, is there any way i can rebuild them? |
| 17:58.35 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: its been there as long as I can remember |
| 17:58.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, amazing... |
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| 17:59.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | every time I think I already know everything... ;) |
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| 18:00.22 | keith4 | Symbi0nt: you can mount a samba share from windows, in the debian system |
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| 18:03.49 | n3kl | Anyone know what package the fuser command is in? |
| 18:04.18 | peppe | n3kl: packages.debian.org knows |
| 18:04.39 | keith4 | apt-file also knows |
| 18:04.45 | newsense | or ask dpkg in here |
| 18:04.50 | n3kl | !fuser |
| 18:04.50 | dpkg | hmm... fuser is a handy command to 'identify processes using files or sockets' or if you find a port number that you want more info on, do: fuser -n tcp <portnum> ., or some people think it's is short for 'what the fuck is using that damn file!!!!!' |
| 18:05.08 | newsense | not like that lol |
| 18:05.32 | n3kl | psmisc for those who care |
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| 18:05.52 | Symbi0nt | keith4: how is syntax for that? |
| 18:05.58 | Symbi0nt | smb://ip(path? |
| 18:06.03 | Symbi0nt | smb://ip/path? |
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| 18:06.22 | keith4 | Symbi0nt: uh, what? |
| 18:06.27 | n3kl | Symbi0nt: man mount |
| 18:06.41 | keith4 | sounds like you probably shouldn't be using vmware |
| 18:06.57 | Symbi0nt | is it really a "mount" when accesing shares? |
| 18:07.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, /msg dpkg apt-file - or dlocate fuser |
| 18:07.10 | n3kl | Symbi0nt: what are you trying to do |
| 18:07.22 | n3kl | CutMeOwnThroat: that would only list files for packages that I have installed, right? |
| 18:07.23 | TurboBee | hey does anyone ever have a problem with putty or ssh in general where if you type too much on one line, |
| 18:07.24 | TurboBee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.25 | newsense | n3kl: /msg dpkg find fuser etch/lenny/sid whichever ya use |
| 18:07.35 | keith4 | n3kl: no |
| 18:07.38 | newsense | forgot the syntax for a minute |
| 18:07.39 | TurboBee | making it confusing to read |
| 18:07.49 | Symbi0nt | accessing from a vmware debian installation an outer windows system by console |
| 18:08.00 | n3kl | TurboBee: that is a problem with your PS1 var |
| 18:08.01 | Symbi0nt | in windoows a path might be readable |
| 18:08.04 | Symbi0nt | is |
| 18:08.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl dlocate, yes, apt-file, no |
| 18:08.29 | TurboBee | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, there is also dpkg -S |
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| 18:08.46 | newsense | or apt-file |
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| 18:09.13 | newsense | dam theres a lot of ways to find out what file belongs to what package |
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| 18:11.17 | n3kl | I have a xen machine that mounts an nfs volume from dom0, and from time to time, the mountpoint totally locks up. Anyone seen this? |
| 18:11.59 | plundra | So, nobody has a clue on how to "override" d-i's steps? To make it belive I have done the Detect Disks-step. |
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| 18:12.30 | n3kl | Oops |
| 18:12.48 | djahandarie | Hello, I am in the middle of a debian stable install, and I'm trying to alter /etc/network/interfaces in the middle of it. How would I make it bring the interface down and up without ifdown and ifup? |
| 18:13.09 | keith4 | djahandarie: using ifconfig |
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| 18:13.36 | djahandarie | Oh. |
| 18:13.37 | djahandarie | Wow. XD |
| 18:13.40 | djahandarie | hits self |
| 18:13.42 | djahandarie | Thank you |
| 18:14.23 | keith4 | n3kl: that might be a question for the experts in ##xen |
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| 18:17.56 | theBrettman | how can I figure out what filesystem a floppy is? |
| 18:18.08 | valdyn | theBrettman: uh? |
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| 18:18.18 | theBrettman | u know what a floppy disk is? |
| 18:18.22 | theBrettman | lol |
| 18:18.26 | valdyn | theBrettman: you can create any fs on any block storage |
| 18:18.30 | zinx | theBrettman: it's probably FAT |
| 18:18.35 | valdyn | theBrettman: you are asking a silly question |
| 18:18.38 | theBrettman | yes but this disk made itself |
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| 18:18.52 | theBrettman | and I don't know how to find out what fat they used |
| 18:18.54 | keith4 | made itself, eh? that's impressive |
| 18:19.01 | theBrettman | well, with a script |
| 18:19.17 | zinx | theBrettman: you need to know specificly which variant of FAT is used? what are you doing? |
| 18:19.19 | jpinx | thanks to all who helped - I now have a etchnhalf kernel and ntfs-3g all working succesfully.:) |
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| 18:19.25 | bjwebb | can anyone help me |
| 18:19.27 | theBrettman | it formatted the disk and installed tomsrtbt on it |
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| 18:19.39 | bjwebb | a lot of the .list files in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ are corrupted |
| 18:19.47 | valdyn | theBrettman: i doubt theres a filesystem on that disk at all |
| 18:20.03 | zinx | theBrettman: oh, then it's probably not FAT |
| 18:20.06 | theBrettman | and I want to know what filesystem it's going to expect when it goes to get the modules from disk 2 |
| 18:20.22 | zinx | theBrettman: most likely there is a compressed ramfs or similar image on it |
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| 18:20.54 | zinx | theBrettman: check the tomsrtbt docs, it should say or have driver disks |
| 18:21.12 | zinx | theBrettman: it will probably accept disks in a number of formats :/ |
| 18:21.14 | theBrettman | they don't have docs, just a faq |
| 18:21.20 | theBrettman | I'm hoping |
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| 18:21.37 | theBrettman | I guess I'll just use vfat |
| 18:21.41 | theBrettman | I know it uses dos |
| 18:21.48 | theBrettman | but I think it uses linux too |
| 18:21.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | theBrettman, and perhaps you remember - back in the good ole times (well, just a couple of years back), you could just copy vmlinuz to a floppy disk and boot from that - no fs at all |
| 18:22.03 | zinx | theBrettman: try minix |
| 18:22.12 | theBrettman | it says it has minix also |
| 18:22.16 | theBrettman | don't understand it |
| 18:22.27 | theBrettman | have u ever heard of tomsrtbt? |
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| 18:22.36 | bjwebb | :( |
| 18:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tomsrtbt |
| 18:22.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, tomsrtbt is a single floppy linux distribution made to fulfill a last-hope need or at http://www.toms.net/rb/ |
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| 18:22.54 | CutMeOwnThroat | yes, it's not debian :) |
| 18:22.54 | theBrettman | if the floppy don't have everything, you can add modules |
| 18:22.55 | zinx | theBrettman: minix is a filesystem (and also an old OS which used said filesystem, which is less relevant) |
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| 18:23.12 | tecky | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:23.17 | zinx | and yeah, it's not debian :P |
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| 18:23.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | case closed :) |
| 18:23.46 | theBrettman | I'm using it on a debian machine! :D |
| 18:23.52 | theBrettman | lol |
| 18:23.53 | bjwebb | wishes he could install stuff |
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| 18:25.04 | zinx | theBrettman: we can help with the debian part of the machine |
| 18:25.23 | kqr-arch | i need to take a screen shot of the active window through console command, i have searched extensively but still haven't found... import looks good, especially the -window <id>-thingey, but can that be used with some keyword or something to get active window? |
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| 18:25.35 | bjwebb | zinx: could you help with the debian part of _my_ machine |
| 18:25.47 | lcphr3ak | Hey, I have a private network of two computers behind a linux machine (linux: 10.10.5.1, win2k3-1: 10.10.5.2, win2k3-2: 10.10.5.3), and am having an issue with win2k3-2. I can ping win2k3-1, but not win2k3-2 (from the linux machine itself). Is there a reason why the first machine would connect, and the second one wouldn't? |
| 18:25.50 | rwaite | i'm trying to install virtualbox on lenny with the 2.6.25-2-686-bigmem kernel, but it is trying to install virtualbox-ose-modules-2.6.25-2-486 and linux-image-2.6.25-2-486 |
| 18:26.00 | fnth | i want to use intel 3945ABG in debian :\ |
| 18:26.01 | zinx | bjwebb: how did they get corrupted? |
| 18:26.04 | rwaite | but there are packages for the modules available for my running kernel |
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| 18:26.11 | rwaite | why would this be doing that? |
| 18:26.19 | bjwebb | zinx: hard drive being silly i think |
| 18:26.33 | zinx | bjwebb: have you fixed the hard drive? |
| 18:26.35 | djahandarie | The ifconfig on the debian install shell seems to not be able to bring interfaces down and up |
| 18:26.42 | bjwebb | zinx: yeah |
| 18:26.50 | zinx | bjwebb: you should be able to reinstall all the packages |
| 18:27.11 | theBrettman | oh, here's the question... I have to mount a floppy to cp to it? and if so, I have to have a filesystem on it? |
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| 18:27.18 | bjwebb | zinx: its a lot of packages though |
| 18:27.32 | zinx | bjwebb: so script it? |
| 18:27.37 | djahandarie | Well, there seems to be a problem with my install. I'm trying to connect to the apt repositories, but it keeps on using eth0 to connect, not eth1 (only eth1 works). How would I tell it to use eth1? |
| 18:28.02 | SpeedyG | Hi, I keep getting this error: hub 3-0:1.0: connect-debounce failed, port 2 disabled in my console, anyone know whats wrong ? |
| 18:28.13 | bjwebb | zinx: is there a command to reinstall a package without affecting things that depend on it? |
| 18:28.13 | stew | bjwebb: "aptitude reinstall packagename" for the packages with the corrupt list files |
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| 18:29.15 | zinx | bjwebb: --reinstall |
| 18:29.21 | zinx | bjwebb: or just dpkg -i i guess |
| 18:29.25 | Intensity | Hi. I'm having trouble with etchnhalf. Installed this kernel exclusively on a host, using lilo. Root filesystem is encrypted with serpent-256 (dm-crypt). However, I get: table: 235:5: crypt: Error allocating crypto tfm / device doesn't appear to be in the dev hash table. It seems as if the initrd that was created didn't include the correct modules. |
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| 18:30.04 | zinx | bjwebb: try: cd /var/lib/dpkg/info && for i in *.list; do dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/${i%.list}_*.deb; done |
| 18:30.11 | zinx | bjwebb: but it will take a while even if it works |
| 18:30.25 | zinx | i'm too lazy to make something faster |
| 18:30.38 | zinx | bjwebb: also it may downgrade some stuff which would be bad :P |
| 18:30.57 | soulchild | Hi all,... what is the best way to backup my whole system? Maybe in to a tar file and without mounted and virtual directorys like /proc /dev... |
| 18:31.23 | zinx | bjwebb: so run aptitude autoclean first |
| 18:31.32 | zinx | bjwebb: which should erase the outdated packages |
| 18:31.58 | bjwebb | okay |
| 18:31.59 | SpeedyG | anyone? |
| 18:31.59 | bjwebb | thinks |
| 18:32.06 | beardy | Zambezi: I see. Nice to hear you got it working. |
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| 18:32.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | soulchild, -l for "local" - "man tar", you already seem to know what you want :) |
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| 18:33.26 | Zambezi | beardy: Thanks. And the cartridge was okay. I called Brother and they asked me to press the startbutton three times rapidly and then it prints a diagnosticpage. And it was fine. |
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| 18:34.39 | beardy | Zambezi: And printing with cups works nice too now? |
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| 18:36.07 | Zambezi | beardy: Yes, but I need to "calibrate" it. It's a very, very tiny margine (spelling?). |
| 18:36.28 | beardy | Zambezi: Ok. (margin) :) |
| 18:37.12 | Zambezi | beardy: Other things waits for me. See you! |
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| 18:38.18 | beardy | Zambezi: See you, same here. |
| 18:38.21 | beardy | walks off |
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| 18:39.46 | mafkees | how do I get my cups server running? |
| 18:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | flyspell correction-suggestions don't work in current xemacs packages, (but they do in emacs packages): bugs 426038 and 403425) - and I just fi |
| 18:39.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | gured that the bug occured between package versions 21.4.19 patchlevel 1 and 2 - here are the differences between those two packages http://phpfi.com/342778 can anyone see what could cause this? This looks all so very innocent |
| 18:40.02 | mafkees | $ /etc/init.d/cups start |
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| 18:40.09 | mafkees | Starting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited with status 1! |
| 18:40.13 | mafkees | failed! |
| 18:40.33 | mafkees | Unable to bind socket for address 127.*.0.*:*** - Address already in use. |
| 18:41.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafkees, so it's probably already running? |
| 18:41.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafkees, ps aux |grep cupsd |
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| 18:42.00 | mafkees | $ ps aux |grep cupsd |
| 18:42.02 | mafkees | d 4172 0.0 0.0 3128 732 pts/1 R+ 20:41 0:00 grep cupsd |
| 18:42.21 | mafkees | Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is not running but /var/run/cups/cupsd.pid exists. |
| 18:42.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | 127.*.0.*:*** is weird, though |
| 18:43.11 | mafkees | the stars are edited by me |
| 18:43.20 | wols | mafkees: can happen if the PC or cupsd crashed |
| 18:43.25 | newsense | haha |
| 18:43.38 | peppe | mafkees: come on, do you expect we attept to crack down into your loopback interface?! |
| 18:43.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | looks like localhostish should be 127.0.0.1:631 |
| 18:43.48 | newsense | right |
| 18:43.52 | wols | mafkees: but, if socket is already in use then cups is actually running. netstat -anp |grep 631 |
| 18:44.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafkees, so why on earth did you edit that? |
| 18:44.23 | wols | mafkees: also if a .pid file exist, it contains the pid you can check with ps aux |
| 18:44.33 | newsense | big secret ip hahaha |
| 18:44.34 | wols | CutMeOwnThroat: cause he's clueless? |
| 18:44.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | or to add some confusion? :) |
| 18:44.48 | mafkees | http://pastebin.com/m6551f19d |
| 18:44.52 | newsense | im putting that on my www |
| 18:45.24 | peppe | CutMeOwnThroat: well, it's a new freenode security countermeasure: you can't paste your own localhost address here, it will get automatically protected with stars |
| 18:45.27 | mafkees | I just like stars ;) |
| 18:46.36 | peppe | CutMeOwnThroat: it works with your nickserv password too, look: ****** |
| 18:46.49 | newsense | hes not using a hostmask but hides loopback ip ? |
| 18:46.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, "i hacked 127.0.0.1" |
| 18:47.06 | djahandarie | How would I reload the /etc/network/interfaces without /etc/init.d/networking or ifdown/ifup? I only have ifconfig it seems. |
| 18:47.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | newsense, aka http://www.stophiphop.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=184 (in German, though( |
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| 18:47.56 | peppe | djahandarie: without ifupdown, interfaces is pretty useless. how come that you haven't ifup/ifdown? |
| 18:48.10 | mafkees | wols, and? |
| 18:48.20 | newsense | CutMeOwnThroat: nice shirt ;) |
| 18:48.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafkees, no 631 in there... |
| 18:48.45 | peppe | mafkees: did you modify your cups conf by hand? |
| 18:48.49 | djahandarie | peppe, I'm in the middle of the debian install |
| 18:48.56 | mafkees | peppe, no |
| 18:48.59 | djahandarie | And I need to set up the interfaces manually. |
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| 18:49.11 | djahandarie | So now I'm trying to get it to read my new configuration |
| 18:49.12 | peppe | djahandarie: so, ifconfig interface address |
| 18:49.39 | peppe | mafkees: did you run "cupsd" by hand as root? |
| 18:49.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafkees, so shouldn't be a problem to open 127.0.0.1:631 - you should check if it's really 631, perhaps |
| 18:49.48 | mafkees | peppe, no |
| 18:50.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | djahandarie, and "route add gw <yourgateway>" |
| 18:50.23 | mafkees | CutMeOwnThroat: how can I do that? |
| 18:50.24 | peppe | mafkees: so, paste the whole output of /etc/init.d/cupsd restart and of ps auxf | grep cups |
| 18:50.25 | bjwebb | zinx: meh, it fails, because the corrupted .list files mean it won,t install |
| 18:50.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | mafkees, you look what you exchanged with stars... |
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| 18:51.05 | stew | bjwebb: aptitude reinstall packagenmae |
| 18:51.25 | zinx | bjwebb: :( |
| 18:51.40 | bjwebb | stew: hmmm |
| 18:51.46 | bjwebb | zinx: i have a plan though |
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| 18:52.22 | bjwebb | zinx: if i remove the file, there is only a warning |
| 18:52.22 | mafkees | peppe: bash: /etc/init.d/cupsd: No such file or directory |
| 18:52.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | gured that the bug occured between package versions 21.4.19 patchlevel 1 and 2 - here are the differences between those two packages http://phpfi.com/342778 can anyone see what could cause this? |
| 18:52.43 | peppe | mafkees: sorry, withoud the ending d :) |
| 18:52.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | flyspell correction-suggestions don't work in current xemacs packages, (but they do in emacs packages): bugs 426038 and 403425) - and I just fi |
| 18:52.49 | bjwebb | stew: also fails |
| 18:53.01 | stew | bjwebb: show us the output ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 18:53.05 | mafkees | peppe: http://pastebin.com/m12b59737 |
| 18:53.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | s/(.*)\n(..)/\2\1/ |
| 18:53.27 | bjwebb | stew: its an error about no trailing newline |
| 18:53.34 | mafkees | peppe: |
| 18:53.36 | mafkees | # /etc/init.d/cups restart |
| 18:53.37 | mafkees | Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsd. |
| 18:53.58 | stew | bjwebb: in what file? |
| 18:54.03 | peppe | mafkees: no errors? everything went fine? |
| 18:54.11 | mafkees | peppe: I think so |
| 18:54.15 | stew | bjwebb: add a trailing newline to whatever file |
| 18:54.16 | peppe | mafkees: ho ho! magic! |
| 18:54.28 | bjwebb | stew: the file is full of binary junk |
| 18:54.39 | stew | bjwebb: are you sure that whatever it complaining about is error and not a warning? |
| 18:54.46 | bjwebb | stew: yes |
| 18:54.50 | Serajewe1KS | is there a faq on suspend/"sleep" type issues? if i suspend or hibernate all of my network devices (wired and wireless) are inoperable after resuming. |
| 18:55.00 | xdr | omg,, this isn't good at all, lost my powerbutton and my rootdisk irl |
| 18:55.11 | Serajewe1KS | unless i modprobe -r and modprobe again |
| 18:55.31 | mafkees | peppe: don't know about the magic: Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is not running but /var/run/cups/cupsd.pid exists. |
| 18:55.54 | peppe | mafkees: what's that? |
| 18:55.57 | gionn | rm /var/run/cups/cupsd.pid |
| 18:56.19 | mafkees | gionn: sure? |
| 18:56.40 | gionn | mafkees, let's try, it's only a file with an int number |
| 18:57.17 | mafkees | Status of Common Unix Printing System: cupsd is running. |
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| 18:57.47 | mafkees | An error occurred while retrieving the list of available backends: |
| 18:57.49 | mafkees | Connection to CUPS server failed. Check that the CUPS server is correctly installed and running. |
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| 18:58.18 | peppe | mafkees: but WHAT is giving you those errors? |
| 18:58.22 | gionn | how can it thinks that cups is running if ps aux|grep cups give nothing and we had removed the pid file? |
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| 18:58.36 | mafkees | peppe: when I want to add a printer in kde helpcentre |
| 18:58.44 | mafkees | control center |
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| 18:59.37 | mafkees | maybe purge cups? |
| 18:59.48 | mafkees | and reinstall? |
| 19:00.08 | obnauticus | heh, how do i run a defrag on linux "\ |
| 19:00.10 | obnauticus | :\* |
| 19:00.25 | peppe | obnauticus: you don't |
| 19:00.26 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello, I've asked in ##linux, but didn't get a usable answer... How do I "burn" - that is, not actually burn but just get written exactly as it is - to a USB drive, and make it bootable? |
| 19:00.38 | cahoot | peppe: unless it's ext4 |
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| 19:00.55 | obnauticus | oh lol |
| 19:01.06 | obnauticus | i cannot believe i asked that question peppe |
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| 19:01.09 | mbroeker | obnauticus, there are some tutorials around to do it with tar -cvzf backup.tar.gz ... and some magic :P |
| 19:01.11 | obnauticus | Windows Server 2008 has fried my brain today |
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| 19:01.37 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: you have a bootable image? or what is it that you want to put on the drive? |
| 19:01.54 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: the former, yes |
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| 19:02.21 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: "cp filename /dev/whatever" for example (but replace /dev/whatever for the device name of the usb drive) |
| 19:02.56 | Dark_Apostrophe | cp? won't that just copy the ISO file? |
| 19:03.07 | peppe | Dark_Apostrophe: there is a script somewhere on the ubuntu wiki |
| 19:03.17 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: cp, yes, it will copy the iso file to drive, which is what you want if it is a bootable image |
| 19:03.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok |
| 19:03.45 | Dark_Apostrophe | Does the drive need to be unmounted? |
| 19:03.50 | peppe | Dark_Apostrophe: http://www.startx.ro/sugar/ |
| 19:04.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: Also, the USB stick is 32 gigs, the iso 4.. is that a problem? |
| 19:04.02 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: it should not be mounted, correct |
| 19:04.05 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: no |
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| 19:04.44 | Serajewe1KS | or is this the wrong channel to raise suspend/hibernate issues |
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| 19:05.13 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: what is the image that you are trying to put on the usb? |
| 19:05.18 | cahoot | Serajewe1KS: using pm-suspend? |
| 19:05.29 | peppe | stew: Dark_Apostrophe: copying the image with "cp" or "dd" isn't enough, you'll need to install syslinux on it and configure it properly |
| 19:05.41 | stew | peppe: depends on what the image is |
| 19:05.42 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: honestly i'm not sure, fresh lenny system |
| 19:05.42 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: the kernel system seems to be s2disk |
| 19:05.47 | stew | peppe: he said it is a bootable image already |
| 19:06.14 | peppe | stew: the script at the url I pasted is for making an usb bootable image of ubuntu from the iso one |
| 19:06.26 | stew | peppe: yes, i saw that |
| 19:06.53 | cahoot | Serajewe1KS: I only know pm-suspend works fine on my T61 (lenny) but suppose much depends on what laptophw you have |
| 19:07.03 | peppe | then you need to use syslinux even if the iso image is already bootable :) |
| 19:07.19 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: i'm not surprised that wlan0 dies but eth0 seems a little odd |
| 19:07.22 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: like it's somehow related |
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| 19:07.33 | mafkees | I think aptitude purge cups and reinstall it solved the issue... now I've to add a server printer... |
| 19:07.50 | stew | peppe: no |
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| 19:08.35 | mafkees | which server printer option should I choose? its a printer connected to another linux machine on the same home network |
| 19:08.37 | dserban | I want to be able to detect what's wrong with a remote server that I cannot access while traversing my proxy (squid), which also uses iptables. I've read many possible issues to look at, such as tcp windowsize, ecn and etc. I've looked at using tcpdump to inspect packets and netcat to try to detect what the other |
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| 19:10.39 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: It's writing to the USB stick now, thanks =) |
| 19:10.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | Let's see if this works |
| 19:11.08 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: what is this image? |
| 19:12.38 | Dark_Apostrophe | stew: lenny |
| 19:13.01 | stew | Dark_Apostrophe: then no, what you are doing isn't going to work: /msg dpkg usb-install |
| 19:13.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | Ok, it's written to the stick..let's see if it'll boot. See ya =) |
| 19:13.13 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: i think i am using pm-suspend |
| 19:13.17 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: i have pm-utils anyway |
| 19:13.40 | newsense | how can i get exim to accept mail from other computers on my lan ? |
| 19:13.56 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: when i run the quirk-checker script it complains bitterly about the binary nvidia driver and refuses to continue, though so far that driver has resumed perfectly |
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| 19:15.51 | cahoot | Serajewe1KS: you know pm-suspend keeps a log? might be worth a look |
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| 19:24.55 | n3kl | Anyone know if a diagraming tool better than dia? |
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| 19:27.01 | legis | Hi!, would upgrading etch to lenny upgrade the backports packages too? |
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| 19:27.39 | RichiH | legis: only if there are replacement packages and if the dependencies work out |
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| 19:28.03 | RichiH | legis: a backported package might depend on an old version of something in stable and thus keep it at that version |
| 19:28.12 | xand | if i'm installing on a CF card should i use jfs for / instead of ext3? |
| 19:28.22 | xand | or something else c.c |
| 19:28.39 | legis | RichiH: I see |
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| 19:29.11 | n3kl | xand: I have found ext3 to be just fine on cf |
| 19:29.28 | RichiH | xand: we use xfs, but i suspect most work |
| 19:29.46 | legis | RichiH: looks like I'm looking cause aptitude shows it wants to upgrade all my backports packages |
| 19:29.56 | RichiH | xand: you might want to make sure your system is mounted with a largish sync timeout |
| 19:30.12 | RichiH | as that will boost card performance & lifetime |
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| 19:30.30 | RichiH | unless you are likely to lose power often, in which case you are sol :) |
| 19:31.03 | stew | legis: an upgrade to lenny SHOULD upgrade all of the backported versions to lenny versions |
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| 19:35.07 | legis | stew: yeah, just saw it with aptitude, thanks. |
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| 19:37.39 | xand | RichiH: I'm more worried about life of the CF card than speed |
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| 19:44.12 | Ian_Daniher | how do I monitor bandwidth in linux? |
| 19:44.26 | Ian_Daniher | example, I want to see what the tx/rx speed of my server is |
| 19:44.41 | Eulex_ | ntop or jnettop |
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| 19:45.14 | Eulex_ | oh, wait, not ntop |
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| 19:45.27 | Eulex_ | but jnettop does it, but also a lot more |
| 19:45.45 | Ian_Daniher | I just want something simple in kbps or such |
| 19:45.48 | SerajewelKS | cahoot: i'll have to look. btw i /nick'd. :) |
| 19:45.50 | Eulex_ | but there's some other app that just does that -- measure tx/rx for an interface |
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| 19:46.20 | cahoot | SerajewelKS: yes I noticed but was too lazy |
| 19:46.49 | neonlightning | anyone know of a program to switch cursors in the index.theme file rather then having to edit that file then restart my session? |
| 19:47.18 | abrotman | maybe ask #xorg ? |
| 19:47.42 | abrotman | Ian_Daniher: the max? or current? |
| 19:47.50 | Ian_Daniher | abrotman: current |
| 19:47.55 | abrotman | jnettop or iftop IIRC |
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| 19:52.19 | Bert_2 | Hi, can someone help me with setting up my /etc/sudoers in a safe way or is there channel specifically for sudo ? |
| 19:52.30 | skorpion | http://pastebin.ca/1168529 |
| 19:52.34 | skorpion | plz help me :D |
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| 20:06.48 | dob1 | hi, can you help me to resolve this dependencies problem ? http://rafb.net/p/5MLPir41.html |
| 20:07.02 | dob1 | there is no way to install or remove this package |
| 20:07.06 | abrotman | unstable ? |
| 20:07.22 | dob1 | testing/unstable |
| 20:07.32 | white_eagle | sorry I am a newb at debian and I need to ask a question. Some packages have unmet dependencies, how can I install the package i want *and* those dependencies without typing sudo apt-get install hundreds of times? |
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| 20:07.58 | stew | white_eagle: aptitude -f install |
| 20:08.21 | stew | white_eagle: or wait, how are you ending up with unmet dependencies in the first place? |
| 20:08.22 | Lagbolt | white_eagle, you are using etch? |
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| 20:08.50 | dob1 | abrotman: what can i do to fix it? |
| 20:09.07 | abrotman | dob1: looks like you're installing an unofficial package? |
| 20:09.18 | white_eagle | steven_: thank you |
| 20:09.24 | white_eagle | stew: :) no you |
| 20:09.39 | white_eagle | Lagbolt: i am trying to install opengeu |
| 20:09.52 | dob1 | abrotman: no, i don't have any unofficial repository in source.list |
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| 20:10.25 | Lagbolt | white_eagle, i meant what version of debian not what package |
| 20:10.26 | white_eagle | It solved the problem nevermind |
| 20:10.29 | Lagbolt | cool |
| 20:10.36 | dob1 | abrotman: anyway i don't care about this package, just to fix apt-get so i can use it again |
| 20:10.47 | white_eagle | Lagbolt: etch right |
| 20:10.51 | abrotman | dob1: remove the libghc6-highlighting-kate-dev maybe |
| 20:10.53 | white_eagle | Lagbolt: cool what? |
| 20:10.55 | stew | dob1: have you checked the bts? |
| 20:11.03 | Lagbolt | cool that it is solved |
| 20:11.09 | white_eagle | oh :) |
| 20:11.14 | white_eagle | well, bye! |
| 20:11.17 | white_eagle | thanks so much |
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| 20:11.32 | dob1 | abrotman: jus tried, nothing i get an error too |
| 20:11.39 | abrotman | same one ? |
| 20:12.11 | abrotman | dpkg -P libghc6-highlighting-kate-dev ? |
| 20:12.12 | dpkg | abrotman: i haven't a clue |
| 20:12.18 | dob1 | abrotman: http://rafb.net/p/zZtAlj48.html this |
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| 20:12.35 | abrotman | oh .. it is trying to remove it |
| 20:12.56 | abrotman | dob1: i'd guess oyu're giong to have to alter the postinst script |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ is where it lives |
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| 20:14.38 | dob1 | abrotman: i found it, can you give me any hints to do this ? |
| 20:15.36 | dob1 | it's this http://rafb.net/p/8JvEdu98.html |
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| 20:16.36 | abrotman | comment out line 13 and 15 ? |
| 20:16.47 | abrotman | i have no idea what it will actually do to the fucntionality of kate though |
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| 20:17.38 | dob1 | abrotman: just i need to install it and then remove it, i don't care about it now then, can i do this? i was thinking to remove all the case esac section, just an idea |
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| 20:17.48 | _el_isma_ | Hello. I'm using Eclipse with CDT. Is there a way to get CDT to know more about the standard libraries? |
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| 20:19.35 | raphi | if someone cares, the daily-built installer got a bug.. if you start the installation and then allow the installation-finishing over ssh it doesn't have the first selected language in the ssh as in the original-installer... |
| 20:19.39 | abrotman | dob1: i told you how i think it goes |
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| 20:21.06 | stew | raphi: file a bug against the debian-installer pseudo-package |
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| 20:22.05 | raphi | stew: i'm just partitioning my disks and one option is in german (as I would like to have it) and the rest is still english.. :-D I'll do a bugreport when I know something more... |
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| 20:23.19 | dob1 | no way |
| 20:23.22 | dob1 | it doesn't work |
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| 20:36.47 | kijjaz | I'm on Debian Lenny, kernel 2.6.25-2 on a laptop that has wifi campatible with iwl3945. When I was using Sid on this same machine, it worked. But now on Lenny, wifi interface is not found. |
| 20:37.16 | kijjaz | I've installed firmware-iwlwifi and modprobe iwl3945. What more should I check? |
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| 20:38.16 | peppe | kijjaz: look in dmesg for errors |
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| 20:39.57 | scintilla | byeeeeeeee |
| 20:41.14 | kijjaz | peppe: wow thanks. i see that iwl3945 are detected ok, but iwl3945: Radio disabled by HW RF Kill switch. I can't seem to be able to use the laptop switch to turn it on. |
| 20:41.56 | kijjaz | peppe: (but was working with Sid then, don't know if there is some different in this issue between Lenny and Sid) |
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| 20:44.39 | kijjaz | peppe: Do you have any suggestions? |
| 20:44.41 | crika28 | oi |
| 20:44.47 | crika28 | ui |
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| 20:45.08 | crika28 | olá |
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| 20:45.12 | crika28 | quem |
| 20:45.34 | linda | oi |
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| 20:47.54 | peppe | kijjaz: yes, you've turned it off; do you have some "wifi button" on your pc? |
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| 20:49.45 | kijjaz | peppe: yes, i tried pressing it, but the lights are not on, and it still can't be found.. eh.. interesting -_- |
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| 20:50.41 | peppe | kijjaz: then there is another button! :) |
| 20:50.51 | kijjaz | peppe: while I was using Debian Sid on this same machine, the button can be used to turn on/off. |
| 20:51.13 | liz | or, it requires windows software for the button to actually do anything |
| 20:51.18 | liz | :( |
| 20:51.26 | liz | what type of laptop? |
| 20:51.26 | peppe | liz: pretty strange for the ipw driver |
| 20:51.49 | peppe | kijjaz: that's fine; that should be the hw rf switch. what happens if you press it and see dmesg again? |
| 20:52.02 | peppe | or do a # tail -f /var/log/messages and play with those buttons |
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| 20:52.06 | kijjaz | liz: Acer Aspire 5583. The button works fine on another linux installations I've been using lately. |
| 20:52.21 | kijjaz | liz: for example, debian etch, sid, ubuntu |
| 20:52.43 | kijjaz | peppe: hmm.. i'll try that. |
| 20:53.12 | liz | hmm |
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| 20:54.08 | kijjaz | tail -f /var/log/messages => nothing coming up while pressing the button. |
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| 20:54.26 | helo | does the nvidia-kernel module work with ia64? |
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| 20:55.29 | teratoma_ | i want a certain interface to always come up as eth0, how do i do tha t? |
| 20:55.34 | kijjaz | peppe: with dmesg, it still shows the same. |
| 20:56.02 | peppe | teratoma_: udev does that for you |
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| 20:56.30 | kijjaz | peppe: does it involve keyboard layout? (but i was using this same layout while i succeeded in Sid -_-.. i'll try more.) |
| 20:56.32 | teratoma_ | peppe: when i installed a new kernel, the interface comes up as eth1. so what would i change ? |
| 20:56.42 | liz | you would write a udev rule :) |
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| 20:57.06 | helo | i guess i'll find out after i install it heh |
| 20:57.28 | liz | or if udev incremented the interface if memory serves me correctly, there is a file that contains the mac address that is bound to that interface |
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| 20:57.37 | peppe | helo: I think not |
| 20:57.54 | liz | you just need to change that mac address to that of the new adapter |
| 20:58.09 | peppe | teratoma_: strange, look in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 20:58.33 | peppe | helo: I mean, IIRC ia64 support was dropped from nvidia a long time ago |
| 20:58.37 | enouf | do /msg dpkg z25 |
| 20:58.38 | helo | hmm |
| 20:59.11 | enouf | helo: ia64 eh? not amd64, nor i386? |
| 20:59.13 | \amethyst | helo: you really have an Itanium with an nVidia card? |
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| 20:59.18 | teratoma_ | cool, i will try, thanks |
| 20:59.50 | kijjaz | peppe, liz: Thank you very much anyway, I'll try more. Still no solution here -_-". |
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| 21:00.36 | peppe | kijjaz: something is going wrong, have you tried to push the switch and bring up the interface? or you're just turning it on and off again? |
| 21:02.26 | kijjaz | peppe: I tried pushing it in both normal and different ways. but there are still no lights flashing or on/off. normally it'd flash after detection, and will become bright while enabling. |
| 21:02.38 | kijjaz | peppe: I've been rebooting many times, i'll try it again. |
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| 21:06.48 | helo | will the stable release of lenny run any faster because of removed debugging levels/logging/verbosity/etc? |
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| 21:07.39 | JPT | hmm...depends on the output that might slow down |
| 21:07.43 | kijjaz | peppe: I reboot into 64studio which is based on Debian Etch and ipw3945. The button works fine, the wireless works fine. |
| 21:08.01 | obnauticus | Is it possible to use wget to download a whole http directory? |
| 21:08.09 | obnauticus | i.e: http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-12.1/ |
| 21:08.10 | kijjaz | peppe: but this time, i'm back on Lenny, without doing anything with the button, the dmesg has changed. |
| 21:08.10 | peppe | kijjaz: so maybe is a configuration matter |
| 21:08.21 | peppe | obnauticus: of course, wget -r -np |
| 21:08.40 | kijjaz | peppe: iwl3945: Microcode SW error detected. Restarting 0x82000008. , iwl3945: Error Reply type 0x00000005 cmd REPLY_SCAN_CMD (0x80) seq 0x4418 ser 0x0000004B , iwl3945: Can't stop Rx DMA. |
| 21:08.50 | obnauticus | thanks peppe didn't know t hat was possible. |
| 21:09.00 | anonobomber | obnauticus: or you could do 'lftp http://slackware.mirrors.easynews.com/linux/slackware/slackware-12.1/' |
| 21:09.05 | kijjaz | peppe: hmm... yes.. seems like something needing configuration -_-". |
| 21:09.06 | anonobomber | obnauticus: then type 'mget *' |
| 21:09.10 | peppe | obnauticus: see also "-nc" "-nH" "-nd" |
| 21:09.26 | obnauticus | That's weird, does it use some regex to recognise the filenames ? |
| 21:09.29 | peppe | kijjaz: eeek! do a power cycle on that |
| 21:09.40 | peppe | obnauticus: what? |
| 21:09.42 | peppe | wget? |
| 21:09.48 | obnauticus | ya |
| 21:09.55 | obnauticus | How else would it know what to download by a directory listing :\ |
| 21:10.04 | peppe | nope, it's http, not ftp. it follows every link in the page |
| 21:10.11 | obnauticus | oh lol. |
| 21:10.14 | obnauticus | errr |
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| 21:10.18 | obnauticus | is it recursive? |
| 21:10.18 | peppe | the "directory listing" is a server-generated html page |
| 21:10.22 | kijjaz | peppe: "power cycle" ? |
| 21:10.26 | peppe | yes, "-r" is for recursive |
| 21:10.31 | obnauticus | i know peppe that is why i was confused |
| 21:10.32 | peppe | kijjaz: turn the pc off |
| 21:10.33 | liz | and c is for cookie :) |
| 21:10.35 | liz | fucks |
| 21:10.37 | obnauticus | can you set the level of recursive-ness? |
| 21:10.39 | liz | that should be ducks |
| 21:10.41 | liz | hah |
| 21:10.42 | obnauticus | like 1 directory level? |
| 21:10.51 | liz | thats what i get for being funny *laugh* |
| 21:10.52 | obnauticus | because i don't want it downloading the parent directory |
| 21:10.52 | obnauticus | lol |
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| 21:11.15 | peppe | obnauticus: yes, -l |
| 21:11.21 | peppe | nope, that's the -np option |
| 21:11.24 | peppe | no parent |
| 21:11.29 | obnauticus | oh ok, great |
| 21:11.30 | obnauticus | thansk |
| 21:11.32 | obnauticus | thanks* |
| 21:11.39 | peppe | the -l specifies the recursion max depth level |
| 21:11.54 | kijjaz | peppe: iwl3945: Radio Frequency Kill Switch is On: , Kill switch must be turned off for wireless networking to work. , WARNING: Requesting MAC access during RFKILL wakes up NIC, MAC is in deep sleep! |
| 21:12.02 | kijjaz | ohh.. this looks so nerdy -_-". |
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| 21:12.12 | peppe | kijjaz: paste dmesg somewhere |
| 21:12.23 | obnauticus | kijjaz: i think it looks cool |
| 21:12.23 | obnauticus | lol |
| 21:13.44 | kijjaz | obnauticus: yes. it looks like some kind of a Sci-Fi roguelike game log. |
| 21:13.57 | obnauticus | peppe: it's still downloading a parent:\ |
| 21:14.02 | obnauticus | even though i specified -np |
| 21:14.03 | obnauticus | :\ |
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| 21:14.33 | peppe | obnauticus: what's the exact command line? |
| 21:14.43 | kijjaz | peppe: http://pastebin.com/d6c998f63 , thank you very much. |
| 21:14.48 | obnauticus | wget -r -np <url> |
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| 21:15.09 | obnauticus | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:15.47 | peppe | obnauticus: is that a directory? then add a / at the end |
| 21:15.52 | obnauticus | oh lol. |
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| 21:16.06 | peppe | otherwise wget won't consider stuff in ../slackware-12.1/ to be a "parent" of isolinux |
| 21:16.14 | obnauticus | im using mget, so it should be better now |
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| 21:17.28 | TheOnly | i'm sorry for the dumb question, but i'd be very grateful if someone could provide me with a howto on connecting to a wireless network |
| 21:17.31 | obnauticus | heh i should compile my own pxe bootstrap so i can have a menu to choose which distro i want to isntall :\ |
| 21:17.43 | TheOnly | i've nevered used wan before :/ |
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| 21:17.48 | TheOnly | never* |
| 21:17.57 | obnauticus | TheOnly: you are using WAN to talk to us :\ |
| 21:18.18 | TheOnly | nope, i'm using my ISP's wired net |
| 21:18.24 | obnauticus | ... |
| 21:18.27 | obnauticus | the internet is a WAN |
| 21:18.31 | obnauticus | therefore you are using a WAN |
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| 21:18.42 | anders_ | no, the internet is a series of tubes! |
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| 21:18.47 | obnauticus | oh, my bad |
| 21:18.50 | peppe | the internet is a lie! |
| 21:18.59 | peppe | or it was the cake? |
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| 21:19.32 | TheOnly | okay wrong term... wlan better? whatever i don't think this is meant to go to a "fight" |
| 21:19.32 | liz | wasnt both cake and the internet invented by al gore? |
| 21:19.32 | obnauticus | I like the idea that the internet is `some giant mosh pit` in which you send messages [packets] across with someone's name addressed on them and they magically make it to their destination. |
| 21:19.37 | TheOnly | or should i say wifi |
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| 21:19.59 | TheOnly | anyway, i know what I meant in the first place |
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| 21:20.20 | beardy | TheOnly: WAN means Wide Area Network. wifi would mean be what you want, though it's a weird name. |
| 21:20.22 | TheOnly | you* |
| 21:20.23 | stew | TheOnly: install wireless-tools and man wireless ; man iwconfig |
| 21:20.23 | obnauticus | TheOnly: Wireless networks and WAN's are very different lol |
| 21:20.24 | n-iCe | how can I know the folder attributes? ls -a.. .? |
| 21:20.31 | TheOnly | beardy, i got that |
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| 21:20.39 | anders_ | "you can a movie delivered to your house, by delivery service!" |
| 21:20.40 | obnauticus | Do any wireless cards support netbooting yet? |
| 21:20.45 | peppe | TheOnly: who who who, if you search "wireless howto" on google, you get a fantastic link: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Wireless-HOWTO.html |
| 21:20.47 | beardy | Eventually perhaps. |
| 21:20.58 | obnauticus | It would be really cool to wirelessly netboot my compies :\ |
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| 21:22.21 | peppe | obnauticus: for god's sake I hope it will get never implemented. there are enough (security) problems with wired netboot |
| 21:22.25 | liz | yay! |
| 21:22.54 | liz | ive apparently won 100,000 euros... how much is that *laugh* |
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| 21:23.12 | liz | I guess I need to go to nigeria to get it |
| 21:23.14 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
| 21:23.29 | obnauticus | peppe: i think it is cool if someone designs some really nice security for wifi |
| 21:23.51 | teratoma_ | i work for Nigerians |
| 21:23.52 | obnauticus | peppe: I have an almost identical setup to defcon's wifi. |
| 21:23.52 | Eulex_ | liz, such euros translate to negative dollars |
| 21:23.59 | peppe | TheOnly: I suggest to learn some basic stuff on wireless networks on wikipedia, then look on google for the things you need to make a wifi link work on linux |
| 21:24.11 | obnauticus | and all my clients MUST auth via captive portal and are forced to run a PPTP tunnel before they can get on the internet |
| 21:24.25 | larsivi | I have a debian box (etch, installed long time ago, not really used), where I now get 404 on all http requests |
| 21:24.28 | obnauticus | and it still has WEP2 :\ |
| 21:24.35 | larsivi | what can cause this? |
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| 21:24.54 | peppe | larsivi: proxy? |
| 21:25.11 | stew | larsivi: what does "echo $http_proxy" return? |
| 21:25.11 | liz | well |
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| 21:25.22 | liz | is it serving web pages |
| 21:25.40 | liz | or are you getting it whwn attempting to use it as a web client |
| 21:25.54 | larsivi | stew: nothing |
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| 21:26.05 | larsivi | no proxy as I know of ... |
| 21:26.09 | webPragmatist | hey with apache can I just put an _ under the site i want to be default? |
| 21:26.09 | obnauticus | peppe: and even then it requires 2 passwords on the SQUID proxy to even get it to cache :) |
| 21:26.16 | webPragmatist | before* |
| 21:26.18 | larsivi | well, I was trying to run apt-get update |
| 21:26.23 | larsivi | then tested with wget, no luck |
| 21:26.28 | larsivi | it is a server |
| 21:26.36 | larsivi | no X and friends installe |
| 21:27.09 | stew | larsivi: you tried a wget of what url? |
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| 21:27.40 | larsivi | stew: an url I know works - from my home computer for instance |
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| 21:28.39 | screamingbytes | kk so i recovered from my kernel being deleted etc.. i have my gnome and all data back. my final prob is my mouse |
| 21:28.59 | screamingbytes | i have the mouse moving around, works perfectly except when i click on something nothing happens |
| 21:29.11 | screamingbytes | so the way im browsing linux now is by keyboard |
| 21:29.18 | screamingbytes | any ideas |
| 21:29.29 | larsivi | stew: |
| 21:29.30 | larsivi | Connecting to ftp.digitalmars.com|92.62.33.254|:80... connected. |
| 21:29.30 | larsivi | HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 404 Not Found |
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| 21:30.15 | stew | larsivi: what happens if you run "wget http://google.com"? |
| 21:30.43 | larsivi | stew: works fine :/ |
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| 21:31.49 | screamingbytes | stew lol |
| 21:31.49 | stew | larsivi: what is an example of a url that gives you 404? |
| 21:31.49 | kijjaz | peppe: i'm trying more things, i'll report after rebooting. |
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| 21:31.56 | larsivi | stew: wget http://ftp.digitalmars.com/dmd.1.033.zip |
| 21:32.38 | stew | larsivi: your machine was trying to connect to 92.62.33.254 instead of 65.204.18.192 for some reason |
| 21:32.50 | stew | larsivi: what does "host ftp.digitalmars.com" return? |
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| 21:34.01 | larsivi | stew: host isn't installed |
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| 21:34.17 | stew | larsivi: what does "getent hosts ftp.digitalmars.com" return? |
| 21:34.47 | larsivi | stew: the 92.* address |
| 21:35.01 | stew | larsivi: is nslookup installed? |
| 21:35.14 | larsivi | no |
| 21:35.15 | stew | larsivi: does ftp.digitalmars.com appear in /etc/hosts? |
| 21:35.37 | larsivi | no |
| 21:35.48 | peppe | ok, install dig, dig ftp.digitalmars.com |
| 21:35.59 | stew | larsivi: what does "getent hosts ftp.digitalmars.com" return? |
| 21:36.07 | larsivi | peppe: well, apt-get is kinda suffering from the same as wget :) |
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| 21:36.35 | larsivi | stew: 92.62.33.254 ftp.digitalmars.com |
| 21:36.58 | stew | larsivi: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
| 21:37.03 | peppe | larsivi: huh? but *every* name is resolved to 92.62.33.254 ? |
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| 21:37.29 | larsivi | peppe: no? stew asked the same twice |
| 21:37.49 | poseidon | Are any of you guys familiar with gnu-savana? |
| 21:37.52 | larsivi | stew: hosts: files dns |
| 21:38.17 | stew | larsivi: then the problem must be whatever dns server you are using, which would be configured in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 21:38.34 | peppe | larsivi: hm, I haven't seen it at all |
| 21:39.33 | larsivi | stew: thanks - can't say I recall whether those addresses should be valid or not |
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| 21:51.32 | screamingbytes | so i recovered from my kernel delete, i can boot, and get to gnome, i have a mouse, but when i click on anything it doesn't do anything. Icons, menus, windows etc... |
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| 21:52.30 | screamingbytes | any idea's? |
| 21:52.35 | JPT | hmm |
| 21:52.43 | JPT | what kind of mouse are you using ? |
| 21:52.50 | screamingbytes | wireless |
| 21:52.52 | peppe | are you sure (maybe you don't remember) that when you realized you've just deleted your boot kernel you didn't smash the mouse into the wall in front of you? |
| 21:53.01 | screamingbytes | pointer moves, but clicks don't |
| 21:53.10 | JPT | usb or ps2, special buttons,... ? |
| 21:53.16 | screamingbytes | peppe lol |
| 21:53.21 | screamingbytes | /dev/psaux |
| 21:53.22 | liz | perhaps its broken? |
| 21:53.27 | screamingbytes | mouse works |
| 21:53.31 | JPT | mhh... |
| 21:53.33 | peppe | buttons don't |
| 21:53.35 | JPT | wireless... |
| 21:53.37 | screamingbytes | ive tested it on other machines |
| 21:53.46 | JPT | and there it's working completely ? |
| 21:53.49 | screamingbytes | and on this X session the pointer works, just can't click |
| 21:53.53 | screamingbytes | yes |
| 21:53.53 | JPT | hmm |
| 21:53.59 | screamingbytes | works perfectly on 3 other machines |
| 21:54.00 | JPT | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 21:54.05 | JPT | check the mouse-settings |
| 21:54.16 | peppe | screamingbytes: run xev and watch if X "sees" your clicks |
| 21:54.16 | liz | cat /dev/mouse and mash on teh button |
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| 21:54.21 | screamingbytes | I have, they seem completely norm. its a wheel mouse |
| 21:54.27 | liz | oh *sigh* |
| 21:54.30 | liz | tail |
| 21:54.39 | screamingbytes | liz kk |
| 21:54.42 | liz | tail -f even .. i blame this boring mysql class |
| 21:55.17 | screamingbytes | xev works, but no mouse clicks |
| 21:55.23 | JPT | mhh |
| 21:55.30 | JPT | and the cat /dev/psaux thing ? |
| 21:55.33 | liz | sounds like the mouse type is incorrect |
| 21:55.50 | liz | /dev/mouse should be symlinked to /dev/psaux |
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| 21:56.00 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.01 | JPT | in my system, it isn't |
| 21:56.13 | liz | this is a ps/2 mousd |
| 21:56.14 | liz | mouse |
| 21:56.32 | JPT | yeah..it's symlinked to /dev/input/mice |
| 21:56.36 | liz | kk |
| 21:57.15 | liz | tail -f that then |
| 21:57.30 | screamingbytes | liz yes |
| 21:57.42 | screamingbytes | i just switched it to /dev/input/mice |
| 21:57.54 | screamingbytes | gonna check that out |
| 21:58.12 | screamingbytes | JPT: /dev/mouse doesn't exist |
| 21:58.17 | stew | screamingbytes: you don't want tail -f, you want cat |
| 21:58.28 | JPT | i know |
| 21:58.28 | stew | and possibly cat /dev/input/mice | hexdump |
| 21:58.36 | JPT | i didn't tell you to use it |
| 21:58.37 | JPT | :) |
| 21:58.41 | liz | you would want to tail not cat |
| 21:59.18 | stew | liz: why? |
| 21:59.22 | JPT | mhh... cat works also...if you can see the cursor |
| 22:00.53 | liz | two raods same destiantion i also use tail -f just me being picky |
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| 22:01.08 | JPT | ^^ |
| 22:01.31 | stew | "tail -f /dev/input/mice" doesn't work for me but "cat /dev/input/mice" does |
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| 22:02.22 | JPT | mhh... strange... |
| 22:02.29 | JPT | why is tail -f not working ? |
| 22:03.07 | stew | JPT: becuase it hasn't yet found the end of the file |
| 22:03.10 | zinx | JPT: because tail requires an actual file size. |
| 22:03.26 | JPT | mhh... both applies to the mouse device xD |
| 22:03.30 | zinx | no |
| 22:03.34 | zinx | the mouse device has no end or size. |
| 22:03.55 | JPT | mhh... i meant to tell that.. |
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| 22:04.57 | JPT | i'd better read the line twice before typing |
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| 22:05.18 | screamingbytes | nope, no worky |
| 22:05.22 | streuner | dondelelcaro: Isn't it a pretty hot in debconf9 or is that for you ok? |
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| 22:10.54 | Flinx | hello |
| 22:11.16 | Flinx | after rebooting it seems like my ntfs-3g is finally working the way that I want it to. |
| 22:11.27 | JPT | nice :) |
| 22:11.53 | Flinx | but during boot up I got a message that said something like "ntfs-3g ... deficient kernel ..." and I can't remember the rest (went by too quickly) |
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| 22:12.06 | Flinx | I grep'ed around in /var/log but couldn't find anything. |
| 22:12.17 | JPT | it should be in dmesg |
| 22:12.41 | Flinx | I did "less dmesg" and saw nothing there either. |
| 22:12.42 | JPT | dmesg | grep -i ntfs |
| 22:12.49 | JPT | that should do |
| 22:12.51 | Flinx | that would probaly be more efficient |
| 22:13.21 | Flinx | yeah.. not found |
| 22:13.27 | Flinx | I'm really confused... |
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| 22:13.50 | JPT | mhh.. |
| 22:14.01 | JPT | can you paste the whole dmesg on nopaste ? |
| 22:14.09 | Flinx | sure. |
| 22:14.14 | Flinx | nopaste.com? |
| 22:14.19 | JPT | nopaste.info |
| 22:14.22 | Flinx | thanks |
| 22:14.27 | Flinx | I'm used to pastebin.ca |
| 22:14.34 | neonlightning | Flinx, my guess is all this troubleshooting has finally got to you and your seeing ntfs errors where they really arn't i've had that one happen with trying to compile mplayer before |
| 22:15.03 | Flinx | The last time I booted was on the 3rd , ;) |
| 22:15.19 | Flinx | and that was also when people said that "It wasn't windows, so rebooting won't work" |
| 22:15.28 | JPT | mhh |
| 22:15.48 | neonlightning | when dealing with drivers expecially ones dealing with filesystems i say its always a good idea to reboot |
| 22:15.54 | Flinx | I'm going to say its magic ;) |
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| 22:16.32 | Flinx | magic is always a good excuse for the unexplained |
| 22:16.47 | neonlightning | i prefer the locker-gnomes did it |
| 22:16.55 | Flinx | hehe |
| 22:17.22 | obnauticus | peppe: how do i use lftp to get all child directories? |
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| 22:17.59 | Flinx | http://nopaste.info/1ec5f8acbd.html -- One dmesg |
| 22:18.09 | peppe | obnauticus: no idea, I don't use it |
| 22:18.19 | Sia0-0 | how to change the iport max size in phpmyadmin in debian etch server? |
| 22:18.29 | obnauticus | heh i think `mirror` works |
| 22:18.43 | Flinx | enjoys being able to listen to music again. |
| 22:18.50 | JPT | mhh... strange.. |
| 22:18.53 | JPT | nothing about ntfs |
| 22:19.00 | JPT | are you sure, the module is running ? |
| 22:19.09 | Flinx | erhm... |
| 22:19.16 | JPT | or is it built in ? |
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| 22:19.39 | Flinx | What I know is that I am seeing the drive and accessing as a non root user. |
| 22:19.42 | Hellaenergy | Is this something to be worried about: /dev/root.old 12M 12M 0 100% /initrd |
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| 22:20.38 | Flinx | sudo modprobe nfts-3g ?? |
| 22:20.47 | JPT | mhh..yeah.. |
| 22:21.03 | JPT | it should tell you if the module is already loaded |
| 22:21.08 | Flinx | FATAL: Module ntfs_3g not found. |
| 22:21.27 | Flinx | which is confusing.. because I put the - |
| 22:21.40 | Flinx | maybe it really is magic >.> |
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| 22:22.15 | JPT | mhh |
| 22:22.25 | JPT | yes..that's it |
| 22:22.34 | Flinx | would /etc/fstab effect that? |
| 22:22.48 | JPT | fstab is just telling mount what to do |
| 22:22.52 | Flinx | Right |
| 22:23.00 | Flinx | Sanity checking myself ;) |
| 22:23.08 | JPT | mount is unable to do the mount without the module |
| 22:23.16 | Flinx | Right |
| 22:23.30 | Flinx | so I'm going to guess that the module name I used it wrong. |
| 22:23.35 | JPT | mhh.. |
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| 22:23.44 | JPT | lsmod | grep -i ntfs |
| 22:24.17 | JPT | maybe it's loaded, but the name is a bit different... |
| 22:24.25 | Flinx | pete@hydra:~$ lsmod | grep -i ntfs |
| 22:24.25 | Flinx | ntfs 195988 0 |
| 22:24.27 | Flinx | ? |
| 22:24.30 | JPT | mhh |
| 22:24.32 | JPT | ok... |
| 22:24.42 | JPT | thats a different one.. but it should do the job, too |
| 22:25.16 | Flinx | so probably read only? |
| 22:25.29 | JPT | yes.. |
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| 22:25.50 | JPT | but ntfs-3g is not better if it tells you to mount and run chkdsk in windows |
| 22:25.51 | JPT | :) |
| 22:26.00 | Flinx | true |
| 22:26.13 | Flinx | I'm slowly trying to replace my windows box |
| 22:26.25 | Flinx | but I might just run a VM inside of this to do what I need ;) |
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| 22:26.48 | JPT | yeah... |
| 22:27.03 | JPT | i destroyed my windows installation by replacing the acpi-driver xD |
| 22:27.08 | JPT | that was... |
| 22:27.11 | Flinx | doh... |
| 22:27.12 | JPT | 3 weeks ago |
| 22:27.22 | Flinx | did you try a repair installation? |
| 22:27.25 | JPT | i ported mostly everything to debian + wine |
| 22:27.31 | Flinx | I'm an expert at windows recovery |
| 22:27.34 | JPT | i did a repair installation |
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| 22:27.42 | JPT | it used the same acpi-driver like before |
| 22:28.06 | JPT | and i don't like to do a backup, restore the partition-things and install it again.. |
| 22:28.26 | JPT | it would enable me to play call of duty 4 again.. |
| 22:28.37 | JPT | but that's no problem^^ |
| 22:28.41 | Flinx | ah |
| 22:28.50 | Flinx | thats why I have my storage device ;) |
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| 22:29.08 | JPT | i bought that, when i messed up with the partition table.. |
| 22:29.09 | Flinx | and a hot swap "system" drive |
| 22:29.14 | Flinx | ah |
| 22:29.15 | JPT | the device was 300gb large.. |
| 22:29.19 | Flinx | ouch |
| 22:29.23 | JPT | i made it having 500gb capacity |
| 22:29.23 | JPT | xD |
| 22:29.39 | Flinx | did it -actually- have 500? or just make it think so? |
| 22:29.56 | JPT | there were two parts using parts of each other |
| 22:29.59 | JPT | or so.. |
| 22:30.01 | Flinx | oh >.<! |
| 22:30.04 | JPT | was funny |
| 22:30.11 | JPT | i didn't write anything to it.. |
| 22:30.21 | JPT | just got all data on a backup device |
| 22:30.24 | JPT | and then... |
| 22:30.34 | Flinx | kablamo? |
| 22:30.40 | JPT | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/broken_device |
| 22:30.52 | Flinx | *nods* |
| 22:31.03 | JPT | testdisk couldn't do anything |
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| 22:31.32 | JPT | but the thing with the acpi is funny.. |
| 22:31.46 | Flinx | errrrrrrrr.... 0.o |
| 22:31.46 | JPT | it freezes 2seconds after initializing the boot logo |
| 22:31.54 | Flinx | heh |
| 22:31.55 | JPT | ^^ |
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| 22:32.10 | JPT | after repair install, it went to a bluescreen instead of freezing |
| 22:32.10 | Flinx | lovely... |
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| 22:32.49 | Flinx | >.< apparently df has my ntfs drive mounted like 8 times |
| 22:32.55 | JPT | Oo |
| 22:33.03 | JPT | sounds funny |
| 22:33.06 | Flinx | pete@hydra:~$ df |
| 22:33.06 | Flinx | Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 22:33.07 | Flinx | /dev/hda1 18911932 5220700 12730548 30% / |
| 22:33.07 | Flinx | tmpfs 1542408 0 1542408 0% /lib/init/rw |
| 22:33.07 | Flinx | udev 10240 60 10180 1% /dev |
| 22:33.07 | Flinx | tmpfs 1542408 0 1542408 0% /dev/shm |
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| 22:33.15 | JPT | thats more funny xD |
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| 22:33.50 | Flinx | almost got away with it |
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| 22:34.37 | Flinx | posted the output in #flood |
| 22:34.48 | Flinx | ... I'm somewhat tempted to start over on a bigger hard drive... |
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| 22:35.08 | JPT | xD |
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| 22:35.49 | Flinx | I wonder how hard it would be to replicate my weeks of debugging.. |
| 22:36.37 | JPT | mhh.. just do not destroy important data |
| 22:36.39 | JPT | ^^ |
| 22:36.47 | Flinx | hrm.. better yet... I can clone this disk onto a bigger one... Mwahahahaha |
| 22:36.50 | Flinx | I'll do that. |
| 22:37.10 | Flinx | aw crap. but I think my cloning software is at work >.< |
| 22:37.37 | Flinx | curses.. |
| 22:37.44 | JPT | mhh |
| 22:37.51 | JPT | dd is a cool backup tool |
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| 22:38.00 | Flinx | I kinda preferr HDclone |
| 22:38.03 | JPT | dd if=/dev/hda1 of=/home/backup.file |
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| 22:38.07 | JPT | and then..zip it |
| 22:38.16 | Flinx | with a bootable device? |
| 22:38.18 | JPT | hmm |
| 22:38.27 | JPT | the mbr can be cloned with.. |
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| 22:38.34 | Flinx | cause HDclone copies anything to anything else with like 4 clicks |
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| 22:38.41 | JPT | dd if=/dev/hda of=/home/boot.sec bs=512 count=1 |
| 22:38.45 | JPT | xD |
| 22:38.55 | JPT | that's an example |
| 22:39.07 | Sebboh- | What do I use to make a real DVD out of some AVI files? |
| 22:39.22 | JPT | mhh... have you tried k3b ? |
| 22:39.33 | jpf | while running the command "apt-get install lyx" it appears to have completed with some errors regarding "dependency problems prevent configuration.." of several packages, however i can still run lyx-qt without error, should i be worried here? if so is there a way to undo that last command? |
| 22:39.38 | Flinx | http://www.miray.de/products/sat.hdclone.html-- excellnet disk cloning |
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| 22:40.21 | n3kl | hdcline prolly just uses dd |
| 22:40.42 | Flinx | jpf: with just a quick google search I popped this up http://www.linux.com/feature/53702 |
| 22:40.43 | Sebboh- | jpt, well, yes. It let's me create a new "video DVD" but when I drag avi files in, they just appear in the filesystem list there.. doesn't look like it's going convert the files.. |
| 22:40.58 | JPT | mhh |
| 22:41.43 | jpf | Flinx: ok? |
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| 22:42.15 | Flinx | jpf: It looks like it decent instructions to make video DVDs? |
| 22:42.47 | Flinx | http://www.linuxquestions.org/linux/answers/Applications_GUI_Multimedia/AVI_to_DVD -- an expanded tutorial |
| 22:42.50 | JPT | Sebboh-: maybe http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/10/247/ contains a good start |
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| 22:43.22 | Flinx | YAY! |
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| 22:43.29 | Flinx | found his cloning software! |
| 22:43.35 | JPT | xD |
| 22:43.51 | Flinx | JPT: what? :P |
| 22:43.57 | JPT | :) |
| 22:44.17 | Flinx | JPT: the free one takes too long, so I just made a "backup" of the work copy ;) |
| 22:44.31 | JPT | hehe |
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| 22:45.01 | Flinx | Brb after a reboot |
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| 22:49.36 | Sebboh- | thanks jpt |
| 22:49.43 | JPT | no problem :) |
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| 22:51.27 | Sebboh- | oh, that's for ripping DVDs.. I actually want to make a new DVD out of AVIs that were never on a disc before.. |
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| 22:51.45 | Sebboh- | well let's see what apt-cache has to offer.. :) |
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| 22:52.36 | JPT | yeah.. i just thought, there are tools used, that could be also used for creating a nevw movie dvd |
| 22:52.43 | JPT | that was my google request :) |
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| 22:59.43 | n3kl | Anyone know if I export something to 10.0.0.0/24 and 10.0.0.1, which will override? |
| 23:00.41 | verbose | i just modified /etc/network/interfaces and switched from dhcp to static. dhclient is still running even though i did /etc/init.d/networking restart. i'm assuming it shouldn't be. i can kill the process, but is it going to start again? |
| 23:01.46 | n3kl | verbose: it willnot start again unless you tell it to. I find that /etc/init.d/networking restart does notwork very well |
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| 23:02.14 | verbose | n3kl: cool. i just didn't want to be ... surprised all of a sudden if it requested an ip and didn't get one and just went down |
| 23:02.33 | screamingbytes | kk so you guys were mentioning to cat some file to check for output, reguarding my mouse. I have a perfectly moving icon, and mouse, just no click events |
| 23:02.43 | screamingbytes | what files were those? I already tried xen |
| 23:03.20 | screamingbytes | and i switched from /dev/psaux, to /dev/input/mice. I have a roller mouse btw if it mattersw |
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| 23:09.02 | dFence | ermm... stupid question: do i have to cross-compile between i686 and i386?! |
| 23:09.12 | neonlightning | screamingbytes, they were talking about /dev/inputs/mouse0 mice event2 and the ones in by-id and by-product that relate to mouse |
| 23:10.04 | screamingbytes | tyvm neon |
| 23:10.31 | neonlightning | np i've been running debian for about a month and i've yet to manage to get my mouse buttons 6 and 7 working |
| 23:10.48 | neonlightning | so i know how much of a pain getting a not working mouse working is |
| 23:10.55 | neonlightning | altho no clicks doesn't seem right |
| 23:11.09 | screamingbytes | ? |
| 23:11.18 | screamingbytes | clicks doesn't seem right? |
| 23:11.57 | neonlightning | your situation of not getting the buttons responses seems odd |
| 23:12.07 | screamingbytes | I agree lol |
| 23:12.11 | neonlightning | is it just in gnome or do you get the same in other wm's? |
| 23:12.17 | screamingbytes | this is of couse after the kernel was deleted, |
| 23:12.27 | neonlightning | how did you manage to delete your kernel |
| 23:12.48 | screamingbytes | so i installed linux again, grabbed the kernel, etc... and put them in the boot, which allowed me to boot, but this is the only problem afterwords |
| 23:13.01 | screamingbytes | I typed 'apt-get install hotplug' |
| 23:13.05 | screamingbytes | and poof |
| 23:13.14 | JPT | lol |
| 23:13.18 | infinitycircuit | screamingbytes, is /lib/modules nuked as well? that might explain your problem |
| 23:13.47 | screamingbytes | no sir, all files are here, only kernel etc.. |
| 23:13.55 | screamingbytes | config, system.map ... |
| 23:14.17 | JPT | searches for a bot called Miercoanse |
| 23:14.23 | screamingbytes | after typeing 'apt-get install hotplug' i got a window, that said if I continue it will remove my kernel, so i said "No" and it did it anyway |
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| 23:14.41 | neonlightning | thats weird i had hotplug on fedora |
| 23:15.00 | screamingbytes | hotplug is outdated from what ive been told, after of course |
| 23:15.08 | screamingbytes | udev is what were (debian) using now |
| 23:15.10 | neonlightning | udev does the same thing doesn't it? |
| 23:15.34 | infinitycircuit | screamingbytes, hotplug is deprecated in favor udev. you can try mv /etc/udev/rules.d/60-persistent-input.rules ~/backup.rules && reboot |
| 23:15.35 | screamingbytes | thats what im told, but it wasn't working, no usb hotpluging or detecting, thats why i was trying hotplug |
| 23:15.50 | infinitycircuit | udev will recreate the rules file on reboot which may fix your problem |
| 23:16.01 | screamingbytes | for usb right |
| 23:16.09 | screamingbytes | im still freakin over my mouse |
| 23:16.12 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 23:16.14 | neonlightning | screamingbytes, i thought u said your mouse was usb |
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| 23:16.20 | screamingbytes | yea it is |
| 23:16.31 | screamingbytes | but i was trying to get drives to work too |
| 23:16.37 | screamingbytes | my mouse cursor moves |
| 23:16.46 | screamingbytes | doesnt that mean it works? |
| 23:17.01 | neonlightning | not always |
| 23:17.42 | screamingbytes | hrmm |
| 23:17.55 | screamingbytes | brb, rebooting |
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| 23:25.46 | Flinx | ahh.. that was the longest 7 minutes of my life |
| 23:25.56 | Flinx | but the clone worked :D |
| 23:26.07 | Flinx | and i got the NTFS-3g message |
| 23:26.16 | JPT | hehe |
| 23:26.21 | JPT | so it works now |
| 23:26.52 | Flinx | well it still thinks that I have a deficient kernel |
| 23:27.06 | Flinx | but really all it says is that my kernel is old and that some drivers may not work |
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| 23:27.29 | Supaplex | that's right. |
| 23:27.39 | Flinx | speaking of upgrading... is there going to be an upgrade path to Lenny? |
| 23:28.27 | stew | Flinx: without a doubt |
| 23:28.43 | Flinx | cool |
| 23:29.12 | Flinx | takes a shameful amount of glee in his now working system. |
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| 23:35.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, I found the culprit for the flyspell/xemacs bug - it's a change in the command that determines the machine type which results in a change from i386 to i486 .... why that causes this bug I don't know, but when I build a package with the old line giving "i386", the bug is gone, when I change to the one producing "i486" it's back |
| 23:35.47 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, interesting. great work diagnosing the problem i would never have thought of that |
| 23:36.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | me neither... and I still don't understand why that should have any influence... on anything |
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| 23:37.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | oh, I should have mentioned... - that line is in debian/rules |
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| 23:37.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | probably changes build-options, possibly paths |
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| 23:41.51 | karsten | !xinerama |
| 23:41.51 | dpkg | xinerama is probably where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html |
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| 23:41.54 | karsten | !xrandr |
| 23:41.55 | dpkg | rumour has it, xrandr is a command-line interface to the RandR extension; used to set the screen size, orientation and/or reflection; |
| 23:42.03 | leoechevarria | hi everybody |
| 23:42.08 | karsten | So, xinerama is deprecated/disabled now in xorg, checking factoids. |
| 23:42.12 | leoechevarria | anyone could help me with apt-move? |
| 23:42.45 | karsten | leoechevarria: Ask |
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| 23:43.35 | leoechevarria | i'm running it in a network |
| 23:43.47 | leoechevarria | and i realized that some packages are missing |
| 23:43.59 | leoechevarria | and the clients don't find them in the repository i mounted with apt-move |
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| 23:44.20 | stew | abrotman: go papi |
| 23:44.36 | leoechevarria | i don't know what's happening |
| 23:44.43 | abrotman | i'm not there yet! |
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| 23:44.49 | leoechevarria | everything seems to be working fine, but some packages are just ... gone! |
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| 23:45.31 | stew | karsten: xinerama still works fine. if your driver has xrandr support, its generally more flexible |
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| 23:46.01 | karsten | stew: I'm getting "no displays found" when using xinerama, randr seems to work much better. |
| 23:46.17 | leoechevarria | any idea? |
| 23:46.26 | karsten | stew: ... that's with a config that had previously worked. Obviously, I'm modifying it when using randr. |
| 23:46.38 | abrotman | stew: i assume mrs is happy :) |
| 23:46.46 | karsten | stew: NB: xrandr is just a CLI to randr. |
| 23:47.16 | karsten | stew: Besprogged? |
| 23:48.26 | karsten | stew: I think the Xinerama lossage is specific to Radeon/ATI, in my case. |
| 23:48.28 | stew | karsten: so the config works when you disable xinerama? |
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| 23:49.09 | karsten | stew: ... and enable some other stuff and do some xrandr CLI magick. |
| 23:49.10 | stew | karsten: i don't know what Besprogged means |
| 23:49.31 | karsten | stew: ... I have a generous supply of rubber chickens as well. |
| 23:49.35 | karsten | stew: Good ;-) |
| 23:50.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | leoechevarria, how does that work - you install/update on one machine, ,then let apt-move make a repository from it, install/update all other machines from this partial repository? |
| 23:50.34 | leoechevarria | CutMeOwnThroat: yes, it's in some way like that |
| 23:50.45 | leoechevarria | aptitude update, aptitude upgrade, apt-move update in the server |
| 23:50.54 | leoechevarria | and then i install and upgrade from the others |
| 23:51.03 | leoechevarria | what i've upgraded so far has worked perfectly |
| 23:51.09 | leoechevarria | but the problem is with some new packages |
| 23:51.22 | leoechevarria | for example it doesn't find abiword, but it does find gcompris |
| 23:51.30 | karsten | !tell leoechevarria about enter |
| 23:51.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | leoechevarria, you might lose packages, if your local cache exceeds its alotted size - and packages are removed from it before apt-move can copy them |
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| 23:52.05 | leoechevarria | karsten: ;), sorry about the enter thing |
| 23:52.13 | leoechevarria | CutMeOwnThroat: i'm using ubuntu, it may be like that |
| 23:52.22 | CutMeOwnThroat | !ubuntusmite leoechevarria |
| 23:52.22 | dpkg | takes away all the CO2 in the air around leoechevarria and replaces it with CO. "It's related to carbon dioxide! It's based on carbon dioxide!" |
| 23:52.26 | leoechevarria | but anyway i copied all my .deb files today |
| 23:52.57 | leoechevarria | jajjaaj |
| 23:53.02 | leoechevarria | don't be silly guys :P |
| 23:53.14 | leoechevarria | fuck, i forget about enter |
| 23:53.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | that's what #ubuntu is for |
| 23:53.45 | streuner | leoechevarria: #ubuntu |
| 23:53.56 | leoechevarria | allright |
| 23:54.04 | leoechevarria | i use debian in my home anyway :P |
| 23:54.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | come back when you start using apt-move there and lose packages... |
| 23:54.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 23:54.45 | leoechevarria | CutMeOwnThroat: hahhaa, you're bad people :p |
| 23:54.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | yeah |
| 23:54.56 | CutMeOwnThroat | and that's cuttin me own throat |
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| 23:55.14 | leoechevarria | #ubuntu is full of ...fools? |
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| 23:55.35 | streuner | surely we have one fool here |
| 23:55.43 | nhuisman_work | what was that dpkg command to see the last installed packages? |
| 23:55.48 | leoechevarria | well |
| 23:55.54 | leoechevarria | i'll stay here anyway :P |
| 23:56.03 | karsten | nhuisman_work: /var/log/aptitude shows recent actions. |
| 23:56.04 | streuner | nhuisman_work: check /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:56.06 | stew | nhuisman_work: less /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 23:56.22 | nhuisman_work | there was another command that just listed the packages |
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| 23:56.29 | streuner | stew: oh, congrate |
| 23:56.31 | nhuisman_work | but that's ok i'll just look in the log |
| 23:56.51 | stew | streuner: on? |
| 23:56.53 | streuner | stew: just saw it from the presentation for debconf10 |
| 23:56.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | leoechevarria, that's like saying you're using the bed of your neighbor because yours is full of fleas... |
| 23:57.00 | streuner | stew: DD |
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| 23:57.13 | stew | streuner: oh, thanks :) |
| 23:57.18 | karsten | dpkg: xinerama is also functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for howto. |
| 23:57.18 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 23:57.22 | karsten | !xinerama |
| 23:57.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, xinerama is where you have several monitors but only one logical desktop -- XFree86 4.0 and X.org have it! Documentation is available: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/html_single/Xinerama-HOWTO.html , or functionality is provided by randr in recent Xorg drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce/HowToRandR12 for howto. |
| 23:57.27 | leoechevarria | leoechevarria: i'm not in my house, i'm at school |
| 23:57.32 | leoechevarria | i've installed ubuntu here |
| 23:57.33 | stew | karsten: thanks |
| 23:57.39 | leoechevarria | wtf, i've talked to myself |
| 23:57.43 | leoechevarria | i mean CutMeOwnThroat |
| 23:57.55 | karsten | leoechevarria: Not our problem. Please use #ubuntu for ubuntu support. |
| 23:58.05 | leoechevarria | i'm not saying anything |
| 23:58.21 | karsten | stew: Yeah, that one had bugged me for a few months.... |
| 23:58.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | specially not the U-word |
| 23:58.25 | leoechevarria | i just said i'm staying here cos i like it, i won't make any ubuntu-related question |
| 23:58.28 | abrotman | leoechevarria: stop already |
