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| 00:03.03 | streuner | abrotman: did you see the last presentation for debconf10 today? |
| 00:03.19 | streuner | it was really funny |
| 00:03.40 | karsten | streuner: Details? |
| 00:04.02 | streuner | karsten: middle of spain, during summer about 40 C. ;-) |
| 00:04.23 | karsten | streuner: What melted? |
| 00:04.43 | streuner | DPL just made a joke, "Can i order a room with AC yet"? :-) |
| 00:04.57 | stew | i thought dc9 was going to be in spain |
| 00:05.10 | streuner | ah, yes, talking about 10 |
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| 00:05.19 | streuner | err, 9 |
| 00:05.25 | karsten | Ah. Preso wasn't *in* spain, it's *about* spain. |
| 00:05.35 | karsten | DC9 is in S. America somewhere, no? |
| 00:05.39 | streuner | no |
| 00:05.44 | streuner | spain, |
| 00:05.52 | stew | karsten: the currently occuring one is dc8, in argentina |
| 00:06.04 | leoechevarria | here in mar del plata :D |
| 00:06.11 | leoechevarria | 300 miles from home |
| 00:06.16 | karsten | That's it. |
| 00:06.21 | leoechevarria | a pitty couldn't been there :( |
| 00:06.31 | abrotman | streuner: biking! |
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| 00:07.27 | streuner | abrotman: hm, there should be some videos, iam asking h01ger very soon about |
| 00:07.42 | abrotman | streuner: wait .. DC8 or presentation about DC10? |
| 00:08.10 | streuner | abrotman: talking about 10 and its not decided yet |
| 00:08.22 | abrotman | streuner: i'm sure i don't even want to know |
| 00:09.22 | streuner | karsten: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Extremadura |
| 00:10.51 | streuner | karsten: http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf9 - "DebConf9 will be held in Extremadura" |
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| 00:12.01 | streuner | well, 9 is going to europe, so next debconf going to be in another continent |
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| 00:12.58 | karsten | tries to sort out WTH Extremadura is... |
| 00:12.59 | karsten | Oh. |
| 00:13.08 | karsten | Spain ;-) |
| 00:13.27 | streuner | karsten: part of spain, like NY or california |
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| 00:14.09 | karsten | streuner: Well, I guess "California" is more readily recognized than "Extremadura", for regional subdivisions. |
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| 00:16.39 | simonrvn | driest part of spain, unique culture so i hear |
| 00:16.56 | abrotman | maybe i should throw philly in the debconf10 mix :) |
| 00:17.14 | abrotman | "That's right, it's the birthplace of 'freedom', but not a single DD lives here" :) |
| 00:17.27 | abrotman | just imagine .. no DD bias! |
| 00:17.28 | streuner | abrotman: too late, i guess, we already have NYC :-) |
| 00:17.38 | streuner | karsten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremadura |
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| 00:18.06 | streuner | in that part, we also have Boston for the east coast |
| 00:18.08 | abrotman | streuner: i doubt it's been decided |
| 00:18.18 | streuner | no, not yet, IIRC |
| 00:18.33 | abrotman | so i could! |
| 00:18.59 | karsten | streuner: Yeah, I also found that. |
| 00:19.02 | abrotman | wait .. that would make me the local team .. eh .. |
| 00:19.17 | simonrvn | yup |
| 00:19.24 | karsten | abrotman: Cheesesteak! |
| 00:19.32 | simonrvn | we get to crash your place :P |
| 00:20.11 | abrotman | karsten: i know .. there'd be 12 dead DDs by the end .. |
| 00:20.25 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:20.29 | karsten | abrotman: clogged arteries? |
| 00:20.35 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:20.40 | karsten | abrotman: ... or gangland/ghetto slayings? |
| 00:21.10 | abrotman | nah .. cheesesteaks |
| 00:21.11 | karsten | OK, WTF in GNOME is f*cking with my fonts now? Menubars and default application fonts. |
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| 00:21.13 | abrotman | so yummy |
| 00:21.31 | karsten | gnome-control-center and gconf don't seem to find it. |
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| 00:22.29 | abrotman | if i could think of a good place in center city to do a debconf .. i'd suggest it |
| 00:22.33 | abrotman | other than Penn |
| 00:22.38 | streuner | karsten: don't know, i have also this problem and i used gtk-chtheme |
| 00:23.01 | abrotman | i bet i could if i looked around |
| 00:23.12 | abrotman | karsten: gtk1 or gtk2? |
| 00:24.01 | karsten | abrotman: mysql-query-editor and whatever gaim is now. |
| 00:24.09 | karsten | pidgin |
| 00:24.14 | streuner | so unstable? |
| 00:24.28 | abrotman | gtk2 for gaim |
| 00:24.35 | karsten | unstable/lenny, gtk2. |
| 00:24.47 | abrotman | people use mysql? :) |
| 00:25.00 | karsten | No, I abuse it. |
| 00:25.07 | streuner | hehe |
| 00:25.08 | karsten | abrotman: It's back-end for cacti. |
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| 00:26.04 | cire | Hi. I deleted a file (using mc F8) on a ext2 fs. What is your recommended tool to recover this file? |
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| 00:26.10 | Texou | hi again :) |
| 00:26.17 | abrotman | cire: your backup ? |
| 00:26.19 | karsten | cire: Your well-maintained and recently updated backups. |
| 00:26.46 | karsten | cire: If it is ext2 *NOT* ext3, there's an undelete capability. mount -o remount,ro the filesystem immediately. |
| 00:26.53 | karsten | cire: mc has an undeleter. |
| 00:26.54 | cire | I do have backups for important files. This is not important. But it would be fine to have back. |
| 00:27.05 | karsten | !tell cire about undelete |
| 00:27.38 | cire | thank you, I'll try that |
| 00:27.44 | karsten | OK. |
| 00:27.46 | streuner | good luck |
| 00:27.50 | Texou | :( on Debian I wanted to correct something, it failed. I deleted exim4, useless since I use postfix. But now I have "qmgr(public/qmgr): No such file or directory" ou "service pickup(public/pickup): No such file or directory" did I do an error? |
| 00:27.51 | cire | thanks :) |
| 00:28.25 | themill | Texou: how did you install postfix and how did you remove exim? |
| 00:28.45 | streuner | *nix FS's give a damn about, because its tradionally based in order to use backups... |
| 00:29.07 | Texou | themill: to remove exim: dpkg -P --force-depends exim4; then apt-get install postfix, I choosed Website (with smarthost) |
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| 00:30.03 | themill | did it seem ugly, silly, crazy or stupid to use --force-depends? |
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| 00:30.19 | beardy | and dpkg |
| 00:30.24 | streuner | Its so what karsten told you, you have backups and you are fine, but if you don't have some, you can bet |
| 00:30.28 | beardy | !aptitude |
| 00:30.28 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is now the recommended tool for managing packages on your debian system. You can use it as a cli replacement for apt-get; it keeps track of automatically installed packages and will offer to remove them when no longer required. Aptitude, like apt-get in lenny/sid, also installs "Recommended" packages that are usually required but you have the option not to install them. Ask me about <why aptitude> <why not aptitude> ... |
| 00:30.33 | Texou | themill: I follow a French manual of Debian :) |
| 00:30.35 | beardy | for starters, good luck.. |
| 00:30.43 | beardy | detaches |
| 00:31.07 | Texou | but maybe so violeot? |
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| 00:31.08 | netdaemon | turns off that recommends crap |
| 00:31.20 | netdaemon | always peruse them just in case though :P |
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| 00:31.34 | themill | Texou: --force-anything is a horrible redhat habit that you should leave at the door. As is using dpkg directly rather than apt/aptitude |
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| 00:32.18 | Texou | themill: I understand. Next time I'll be more careful reading manuals :) |
| 00:32.30 | Texou | themill: anyway can I fix this? |
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| 00:33.27 | themill | Texou: "aptitude purge exim4-base exim4-daemon-light exim4-daemon-heavy" should do it for you. |
| 00:33.54 | Texou | themill: ok I try |
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| 00:35.10 | jpinx | I did ln -s /path/foo /path/bar to test something, and now I want to remove it without deleting either source or target - How to? |
| 00:35.32 | infinitycircuit | if you don't remove source or target what is there to remove? |
| 00:35.50 | CutMeOwnThroat | is this some kind of zen? |
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| 00:36.35 | jpinx | infinitycircuit - I am thinking that the link actually "is" something in itself |
| 00:37.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | what's the target, then? |
| 00:37.06 | jpinx | I don't want a reference to the source to be redirected - the source is in use for other purposes |
| 00:37.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | and what the source? |
| 00:37.12 | eljefe | What options do I have if {K/G/X}randr doesn't work, to rotate my desktop or at least Firefox (Iceweasel) ? My graphics card is old on this laptop and I want to repurpose it; I need to rotate the screen or an app or X in order to do what I want with it (kitchen recipe display screen) |
| 00:37.24 | infinitycircuit | man rm: |
| 00:37.25 | jpinx | the target is also in use for something else |
| 00:37.26 | infinitycircuit | rm: Remove (unlink) the FILE(s). |
| 00:37.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, so you have a source, a target and a soft-link? |
| 00:37.59 | jpinx | infinitycircuit - all those say that they actually remove either the source or the target |
| 00:38.18 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: yes - directories |
| 00:38.24 | Texou | themill: done. but I get the same message in logfile. and I dont have anymore bootscript for postfix :) I did a big bad operation :x |
| 00:38.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, in regard of a softlink target == softlink |
| 00:39.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, you add 1 + 1 and get 3 |
| 00:39.16 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: sorry I don't follow you |
| 00:39.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | no, we don't follow you |
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| 00:39.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, just remove the softlink with rm /full/path/to/softlink |
| 00:39.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | and you're good |
| 00:39.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | I guess |
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| 00:39.57 | Texou | themill: should I re-install postfix @oo? |
| 00:40.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Texou, would not hurt |
| 00:40.09 | themill | Texou: I'm guessing so. |
| 00:40.15 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: man rm tells me that it will remove the target |
| 00:40.23 | jpinx | not what I want to do |
| 00:40.40 | themill | jpinx: what do you want then> |
| 00:40.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, so DO tell us what "source" and "target" are and why the target is not the same as the softlink |
| 00:40.57 | jpinx | just remove the link and leave the directories |
| 00:41.12 | themill | jpinx: you want to replace the symlink by a copy? |
| 00:41.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, how about using a clear example, so perhaps we will understand what you mean? |
| 00:41.59 | jpinx | I did ln -s /source/foo /target/bar -- both directories already existed |
| 00:42.15 | jpinx | now I want to remove that ln -s |
| 00:42.23 | themill | jpinx: so you ended up with /target/bar/foo instead? |
| 00:42.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, then making the softlink failed |
| 00:42.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, you cannot overwrite anything with a softlink |
| 00:43.02 | jpinx | CutMeOwnThroat: ok - thanks |
| 00:43.11 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, but if both are directories, you might find a softlink of the first within the 2nd |
| 00:43.20 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, and you can remove that with "rm" |
| 00:43.34 | Texou | ok my bootscript is come back :) but my error message stays :,( "service pickup(public/pickup): No such file...." |
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| 00:44.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | jpinx, so rm /target/bar/foo - as to what themill said |
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| 00:50.12 | Texou | well :) if I believe google, I'm alone on this problem :D |
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| 00:53.11 | Texou | my /var/spool/postfix/public is empty. is that normal? |
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| 00:53.54 | debian_n00b | hi all |
| 00:54.22 | debian_n00b | I run a server on exilenet and need some help please |
| 00:55.00 | debian_n00b | My admin tells me I need to install autoconf but the package isn't found :-/ |
| 00:55.59 | debian_n00b | all I see in synaptic is autoconf.doc |
| 00:56.40 | abrotman | you should have the autoconf package available |
| 00:56.46 | stew | debian_n00b: show us the output of 'apt-cache policy' ; use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 00:58.21 | debian_n00b | Package files: |
| 00:58.21 | debian_n00b | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:58.21 | debian_n00b | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:59.07 | greeg_ | pidgin is failing to connect... woefully |
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| 00:59.20 | debian_n00b | oops |
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| 00:59.36 | peppe | debian_n00b: and stew even told you to use a pastebin |
| 00:59.45 | debian_n00b | I did! |
| 01:00.01 | debian_n00b | >dpkg< pastebin flonk:/home/steve# apt-cache policy |
| 01:00.02 | debian_n00b | <debian_n00b> Package files: |
| 01:00.06 | DarthFredd | Ladies! What channel is good for generic linux discussion? |
| 01:00.16 | debian_n00b | it only pasted the first line |
| 01:00.19 | debian_n00b | lol |
| 01:00.29 | debian_n00b | sorry |
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| 01:00.55 | abrotman | DarthFredd: uh .. ##linux ? |
| 01:01.02 | debian_n00b | I'll paste it in #flood instead |
| 01:01.06 | debian_n00b | ? |
| 01:01.11 | stew | debian_n00b: please paste the output of "apt-cache policy" to http://paste.debian.net or http://pastebin.ca or some other such site |
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| 01:02.42 | DarthFredd | Right, thanks. |
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| 01:02.55 | debian_n00b | stew: http://paste.debian.net/14636/ |
| 01:02.58 | debian_n00b | thanks |
| 01:03.33 | stew | debian_n00b: you don't have a debian "main" mirror, and you can get rid of non-free: /msg dpkg sources.list |
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| 01:04.09 | debian_n00b | stew, how do I do that please? I really am a n00b mate |
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| 01:04.48 | efaistos | any idea how to secure a box to avoid people who have root access to delete the logs ? |
| 01:04.57 | peppe | debian_n00b: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:05.01 | abrotman | don't give them root access |
| 01:05.13 | peppe | efaistos: virtual machines? why do you trust them, then? |
| 01:05.13 | efaistos | i thought about a loghost where just some people would have access ... |
| 01:05.17 | debian_n00b | peppe ok 1 sec |
| 01:05.31 | stew | debian_n00b: "man sources.list" and there is an example of what that file should look like if you "/msg dpkg sources.list" |
| 01:06.06 | efaistos | the thing is we need to follow some specific iso stuff i think |
| 01:06.08 | peppe | efaistos: what if they tamper your log mechanism? if you give root access you have to trust them, or set up selinux |
| 01:06.15 | peppe | (and good luck with that) |
| 01:06.29 | efaistos | and they asked us some specific stuff |
| 01:06.38 | efaistos | like that case in particular |
| 01:06.55 | efaistos | peppe: what can selinux do exactly ? |
| 01:07.46 | peppe | efaistos: mandatory access control, so you can give root-like access to those people but forbid them to touch things in /var/log/ and /etc/, for instance |
| 01:08.00 | debian_n00b | ok now I'm embarrassed. how do I get to the sources.list? I tried cd and no such directory found |
| 01:08.10 | abrotman | !sources.list |
| 01:08.10 | dpkg | The list of repositories for installing packages is /etc/apt/sources.list and has lines like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main" and "deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main" where <cc> is your country code. Be sure to run "aptitude update" after editing sources.list. Also see <mirrors> <apt-spy> <apt-setup> <etch security> <testing security> "man sources.list" and /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 01:08.16 | efaistos | peppe: that looks exactly what i want ... |
| 01:08.28 | peppe | efaistos: but it's pretty though to setup properly |
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| 01:09.01 | efaistos | peppe: any good documentation to advise .. |
| 01:09.01 | peppe | I'd suggest virtual machines, if it's doable |
| 01:09.04 | debian_n00b | I really need an idiots guide to this |
| 01:09.20 | Texou | do you think a simple reboot is enough to populate this dir? |
| 01:09.32 | peppe | efaistos: lots on selinux and redhat site, http://wiki.debian.org/SELinux |
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| 01:09.40 | peppe | Texou: which dir? |
| 01:09.49 | Texou | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:10.30 | peppe | efaistos: but what are you doing exactly? there aren't any simpler solutions, like VMs? |
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| 01:11.11 | tiglionabbit_ | the postgresql package is old. is there an easy way to get 8.3? |
| 01:11.13 | efaistos | cant really use vms ... we have some production boxes with 8Gb of ram and cant really virtualize that ... |
| 01:11.34 | efaistos | we use Xen for dev ... |
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| 01:11.50 | peppe | efaistos: but why you must give root access to people AND you don't trust them? |
| 01:12.05 | abrotman | tiglionabbit_: is there a newer one at backports.org ? |
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| 01:12.55 | peppe | tiglionabbit_: there is 8.3.3 in backports |
| 01:13.50 | debian_n00b | right thanks guys, I will google now that you've identified the problem, cheers |
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| 01:14.27 | efaistos | peppe: i know that ;) i think it just to be sure that some sysadmin if got fired wont fuck up the systems and delete all tracks ... |
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| 01:16.20 | efaistos | at some other place where i used to work i know they had a setup with rsaid token and basically you needed it to log in and to do a su |
| 01:16.56 | efaistos | maybe just have a trusted person with root and put the other sysadmins in sudoers and give access to some specific commands |
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| 01:18.28 | peppe | efaistos: it's for sure a better idea |
| 01:18.48 | efaistos | anyway i l think about all that tomorrow need to get some sleep |
| 01:18.55 | efaistos | good night eveybody ... |
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| 01:22.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | debian_n00b, just grab an editor you like and edit the file (must be root to edit it) e.g nano /etc/apt/sources.list ; change the file, save it |
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| 01:23.08 | Texou | guys I found! :D |
| 01:23.29 | Texou | in fact postfix wasn't running because port 25 was busy |
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| 01:23.40 | Texou | by "master" |
| 01:23.43 | Texou | :D |
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| 01:24.10 | BW^- | how do i switch between debian boot to X and not? |
| 01:24.22 | abrotman | !tell BW^- about nodm |
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| 01:24.27 | evilone | hello all of you |
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| 01:24.46 | evilone | how can i setup dual monitors on debian? |
| 01:24.56 | Folk_Theory | what file sets your dns server? |
| 01:25.06 | pipeline | evilone: plug in the second monitor, restart X11, futz around with xrandr. |
| 01:25.14 | pipeline | evilone: any more detail than that means huge amounts of pain and suffering |
| 01:25.32 | pipeline | evilone: you should see the second output listed under 'xrandr -q' immediately after restarting X11, otherwise you're in for some trouble. |
| 01:26.21 | evilone | intel I810 video card and ATI 9200 pro |
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| 01:26.30 | abrotman | !info bind9-doc etch |
| 01:26.43 | abrotman | or is it -arm |
| 01:26.48 | dpkg | bind9-doc: (Documentation for BIND), section doc, is optional. Version: 1:9.3.4-2etch3 (etch), Packaged size: 185 kB, Installed size: 596 kB |
| 01:26.55 | abrotman | Folk_Theory: ^^ start reading |
| 01:27.01 | evilone | Can't open display |
| 01:27.02 | Folk_Theory | yo people how do I set a different dns server |
| 01:27.12 | Folk_Theory | what read I just need to edit a file and change an ip aqdress |
| 01:27.18 | abrotman | Folk_Theory: run a dns or set one for your system ? |
| 01:27.20 | Folk_Theory | I just need to know which fule |
| 01:27.24 | Folk_Theory | set one |
| 01:27.25 | peppe | Folk_Theory: do you mean /etc/resolv.conf ? |
| 01:27.40 | abrotman | yes he does |
| 01:27.47 | abrotman | i thought he wanted to run one |
| 01:27.48 | Folk_Theory | # cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 01:27.48 | Folk_Theory | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 01:27.48 | Folk_Theory | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 01:27.51 | peppe | but he doesn't know |
| 01:27.51 | Folk_Theory | soo |
| 01:27.54 | Folk_Theory | I can't ediot it |
| 01:27.56 | BW^- | nice! thanks !½ |
| 01:28.07 | BW^- | btw, daskeyboard.com is a nice hacking keyboard |
| 01:28.09 | BW^- | just got mine |
| 01:28.14 | peppe | Folk_Theory: what do you use for internet connection? |
| 01:28.20 | abrotman | it's resolvconf doing it |
| 01:28.25 | Folk_Theory | ok thanks |
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| 01:29.01 | abrotman | that won't get him very far |
| 01:29.03 | abrotman | oh well |
| 01:29.26 | peppe | fsck /dev/him |
| 01:29.27 | peppe | :P |
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| 01:31.53 | evilone | is there a gui interface to setup dual monitors? |
| 01:31.57 | Cholito | it is savier to do a mac filter than using a wep-psk key? |
| 01:32.22 | jair | perezcurda: Hello my friend :) |
| 01:32.26 | Cholito | evilone: I have one, in spanish thou |
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| 01:33.06 | perezcurda | hi Jair |
| 01:33.10 | perezcurda | what so |
| 01:34.01 | jair | perezcurda: do you remember the command line completion on bash, you can just type my first two letters and then [tab] and it will complete my name |
| 01:34.32 | perezcurda | jair: ok |
| 01:34.41 | perezcurda | jair: I have it |
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| 01:38.52 | slice | apt-get remove gnome-desktop-environment doesent work |
| 01:39.07 | slice | it says it is not installed but when i hit startx, it goes to gnome and NOT kde |
| 01:39.27 | wols_ | that's a meta package |
| 01:39.32 | slice | it doesent even go tot he log screen where you can choose your desktop |
| 01:39.33 | wols_ | !tell slice about remove gnome |
| 01:39.46 | slice | ? |
| 01:39.49 | wols_ | startx never starts a displaymanager. /etc/init.d/gdm start does |
| 01:40.15 | slice | what if i rm /etc/init.d/gdm |
| 01:40.17 | wols_ | read what dpkg just told you |
| 01:40.25 | wols_ | then you are foolish |
| 01:40.29 | jair | perezcurda: ok |
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| 01:44.19 | Texou | ok now I come back to my original work. When I send a mail, postfix says "From texou@free.fr". texou doesn't appear in .muttrc. How can I replace Texou with my real address? because some mailing lists don't accept my mail. |
| 01:44.42 | wols_ | is your username texou? |
| 01:44.56 | Texou | wols_: yes |
| 01:44.59 | compaq_ | i cant statx any more is there another way i configuring dual monitors |
| 01:45.01 | wols_ | that's why |
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| 01:45.16 | wols_ | compaq_: what videodrivers? |
| 01:45.37 | ssastre | hi there, how can I make a grep -P equivalent method in debian? |
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| 01:46.00 | Texou | wols_: yes, but can't I change this behavior? |
| 01:46.32 | PiousMinion | Can someone recommend a nice iptables/tc(firewall/QoS) gui ? |
| 01:46.41 | wols_ | probably. dunno about how to do it in mutt |
| 01:46.58 | ssastre | PiousMinion, firestarter is nice |
| 01:47.30 | PiousMinion | ssastre: does it support QoS management? |
| 01:47.37 | Texou | wols_: ah it's a mutt parameter? not postfix? |
| 01:47.38 | ssastre | I think so |
| 01:48.24 | ssastre | I recall it asking for blancing transfer or interactivity |
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| 01:49.56 | ssastre | I want to make this: netstat -nt | grep tcp | awk '{print }' | grep -o -P '\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 01:50.11 | ssastre | to run in debian but no -P for grep |
| 01:50.24 | ssastre | is useful to detect DDOs attacks |
| 01:50.31 | ssastre | DDoS |
| 01:50.50 | ssastre | any ideas to get it ported? |
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| 01:51.20 | abrotman | in etch? |
| 01:51.26 | BW^- | i get "Cannot create output file" when compiling a standard thing (berkeley DB) with GPP. what are the packages for setting upp g++ and gcc and make them produce binaries? |
| 01:51.26 | ssastre | yes |
| 01:51.54 | abrotman | the grep in etch has -P |
| 01:51.55 | Hailsematary | in debian releases when apt adds a repo or upgrades it, it checks the file Release and Release.gpg |
| 01:52.16 | Hailsematary | .gpg is not a signing extension I mean .asc or .sig |
| 01:52.31 | Hailsematary | it is an extension for public key |
| 01:52.33 | Hailsematary | isn't it? |
| 01:52.50 | Hailsematary | I have problems in understanding apt-secure way of repository signing |
| 01:54.08 | ssastre | now I want to check if it is an etch :/ |
| 01:54.40 | abrotman | ssastre: dpkg -l grep .. what's the version ? |
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| 01:55.18 | ssastre | cheking.. |
| 01:55.23 | abrotman | !info grep etch |
| 01:55.25 | dpkg | grep: (GNU grep, egrep and fgrep), section utils, is required. Version: 2.5.1.ds2-6 (etch), Packaged size: 142 kB, Installed size: 644 kB |
| 01:56.00 | peppe | ssastre: yes, in debian/ubuntu grep is compiled without -P support. use perl; :) |
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| 01:56.32 | ssastre | 2.5.1.ds2-6 |
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| 01:56.48 | abrotman | ssastre: man grep .. should have a -P |
| 01:56.52 | varney | hi - why is it that i can't select to install the latest version of apache/php/mysql and other s/w onto debian? has anyone done it before? |
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| 01:57.15 | ssastre | man says it should but it dont |
| 01:57.23 | abrotman | is there a bug about it ? |
| 01:57.32 | peppe | yes, many bugs |
| 01:57.36 | peppe | -P is broken |
| 01:57.37 | peppe | don't use it |
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| 01:57.58 | peppe | #238237, #203109, then see 2.5.1.ds2-3 and 2.5.1.ds2-4 changelogs |
| 01:58.00 | ssastre | yes: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/grep/+bug/15051 |
| 01:58.05 | peppe | use perl! |
| 01:58.20 | abrotman | ssastre: bugs.debian.org |
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| 01:58.26 | abrotman | ssastre: ubuntu bugs don't mean much to us |
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| 01:58.32 | jerware | hi |
| 01:58.35 | ssastre | ok, I'm willing to use perl but I've never used it before in an inline command |
| 01:58.36 | Cholito | varney: which version of apache do you want to install? |
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| 01:58.50 | jerware | apt-get remove xfce4 says 0 installed yet when i run startx, it boot to the xfce desktop |
| 01:58.52 | ssastre | can you point me some examples to see? |
| 01:59.01 | abrotman | ssastre: are you using ubuntu or debian? |
| 01:59.08 | varney | Cholito: version 2.2.9 seems to be the latest |
| 01:59.17 | Cholito | !info apache2 |
| 01:59.24 | abrotman | varney: and that is hte latest in etch .. what's your point? |
| 01:59.30 | ssastre | debian because ubuntu (was my first option) was giving me problems as guest on vmware |
| 01:59.34 | dpkg | apache2: (Apache HTTP Server metapackage), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.9-7 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 100 kB |
| 01:59.36 | ssastre | so I've switched debian |
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| 01:59.53 | ssastre | and those problems gone |
| 01:59.53 | jerware | how do i rid of xfce4 ? |
| 01:59.59 | abrotman | oh .. no it's not |
| 02:00.02 | varney | abrotman: well then why is is Apache/2.2.3 (Debian) PHP/5.2.0-8+etch11 mod_ssl/2.2.3 OpenSSL/0.9.8c Server |
| 02:00.08 | abrotman | varney: that is the newest in etch |
| 02:00.14 | varney | after i did aptitude install apache2 etc |
| 02:00.16 | Cholito | varney: it seems that 2.2.9 is still in sid, you will have to wait a little bit until that comes to lenny |
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| 02:00.32 | abrotman | !meaning of stable |
| 02:00.33 | dpkg | "Stable" is a release, and it does not change much at all over its lifetime. There is a known set of bugs, and it gets security updates, and point releases. Some will consider this as 'stale', while others consider this one of the great advantages of Debian. http://www.us.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-getting.en.html#s-updatestable |
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| 02:01.11 | ssastre | peppe, can you point me some perl examples to see? |
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| 02:01.14 | Cholito | varney: using etch? lenny? sid? |
| 02:01.22 | varney | etch, obviously |
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| 02:01.50 | abrotman | varney: those are the versions in etch .. that's the way debian works .. |
| 02:02.01 | varney | abrotman: no way of manually overriding? |
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| 02:02.11 | Cholito | varney: obviously? I'm not the one with the crystal ball ;) |
| 02:02.17 | greeg_ | aptitude remove xfce4 doesent work |
| 02:02.21 | peppe | ssastre: about what? |
| 02:02.24 | varney | Cholito: i posted the version in status above |
| 02:02.25 | greeg_ | apt-get --purge remove xfce4 doesent work |
| 02:02.35 | ssastre | to make a regex inline |
| 02:02.35 | Cholito | oops, sorry :) |
| 02:02.38 | varney | thought you seen it |
| 02:02.39 | abrotman | varney: maybe backports.org .. but i don't think there's a newer apache .. why does it matter? |
| 02:02.40 | varney | :) |
| 02:03.13 | Cholito | !info apache2 etch |
| 02:03.14 | dpkg | apache2: (Next generation, scalable, extendable web server), section net, is optional. Version: 2.2.3-4+etch5 (etch), Packaged size: 40 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 02:03.17 | varney | abrotman: well i just wonder since Fedora, etc all have the latest |
| 02:03.20 | varney | by default |
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| 02:03.31 | peppe | ssastre: perl -pe, perl -ne: http://perldoc.perl.org/perlrun.html |
| 02:03.46 | peppe | ssastre: what do you want to do exactly? |
| 02:03.48 | Cholito | fedora=!debian hehe :) |
| 02:03.55 | abrotman | varney: then use fedora .. that's the way debian works .. when lenny is released, you'll get newer software |
| 02:04.11 | greeg_ | apt-get --purge remove xfce4 doesent work |
| 02:04.16 | greeg_ | aptitude remove xfce4 doesent work |
| 02:04.16 | ssastre | peppe, I want to filter ip adress from a list |
| 02:04.17 | varney | abrotman: ok, i didn't know that thanks |
| 02:04.38 | ssastre | peppe, take a look at this: grep -o -P '\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+' |
| 02:04.41 | Cholito | varney: why not using lenny (testing)? |
| 02:04.59 | greeg_ | how is it that i can execute both those lines, and when i hit startx, it goes to xfce4 and NOT kde |
| 02:05.00 | ssastre | so I need to get printed lines with ips only |
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| 02:05.13 | greeg_ | even though i used dpkg to set kde tot he default desktop |
| 02:05.39 | ssastre | (is for counting how maky connections or SYN are getting received from each ip, to monitor DDoS attacks) |
| 02:05.58 | varney | Cholito: because the host i used didn't offer it on dedicated |
| 02:05.59 | ssastre | the complete line would be: netstat -nt | grep tcp | awk '{print }' | grep -o -P '\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+' | sort | uniq -c | sort -n |
| 02:06.00 | peppe | ssastre: every ip? only remote ips? |
| 02:06.15 | peppe | ssastre: i mean, both local and foreign address or only one of those? |
| 02:06.17 | greeg_ | therefore dpkg-reconfigure kdm doesent work |
| 02:06.21 | Cholito | varney: ohh, it a webserver? |
| 02:06.33 | varney | yep |
| 02:06.35 | Cholito | you are lucky, many out there only use 1.3 |
| 02:06.42 | peppe | ssastre: yes but I don't know what would that grep -P do |
| 02:06.54 | varney | Cholito: that's because they all use cpanel i think |
| 02:06.58 | varney | i use virtualmin |
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| 02:07.15 | Cholito | so cpanel doesn't support 2.x? |
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| 02:07.23 | varney | it does |
| 02:07.23 | Nyle | !cpanel |
| 02:07.23 | dpkg | [cpanel] a proprietary web hosting control panel. Ask me about <free whcp> for alternatives. |
| 02:07.25 | ssastre | does not matter to see your local connection just the foreign are the concern |
| 02:07.26 | Nyle | oh |
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| 02:07.35 | Nyle | that sucks |
| 02:07.42 | Nyle | or does it? thats its prop. |
| 02:07.45 | varney | but i think many people use 1.3 for some special mods |
| 02:07.52 | varney | dunno what's so special tho |
| 02:07.55 | Nyle | varney, I never thought to upgrade |
| 02:07.57 | Cholito | hehe |
| 02:07.58 | Nyle | 1.3 works just fine |
| 02:08.01 | ssastre | the grep -P do a regexp of 4 digits |
| 02:08.09 | ssastre | separated by dots |
| 02:08.14 | Cholito | Nyle: 2.x have to be better |
| 02:08.23 | Nyle | why? |
| 02:08.27 | peppe | ssastre: perl -pe 's/.*\s(\d+\.\d+\.\d+\.\d+).*/$1/' |
| 02:08.30 | Nyle | better for who? |
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| 02:08.35 | Nyle | better for you maybe. |
| 02:08.35 | ssastre | in grep the -P option should call perl |
| 02:08.37 | greeg_ | how do i rid of xfce |
| 02:08.48 | Nyle | greeg_, aptitude remove xfce4 |
| 02:08.53 | greeg_ | that doesent work |
| 02:09.01 | ssastre | lets see |
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| 02:09.08 | greeg_ | because when i hit startx, it goes to xfce and NOT kde |
| 02:09.11 | Cholito | for the same reason we are not using Ford T (you know, the first model) but audi, or volkswagen.... |
| 02:09.18 | greeg_ | even though i --> dpkg-reconfigure kdm |
| 02:09.21 | greeg_ | how do i rid of xfce |
| 02:09.25 | Nyle | simple |
| 02:09.29 | Nyle | ask your distro channel |
| 02:09.41 | Nyle | or as root, update-alternatives --config x-session-manager |
| 02:09.42 | greeg_ | yeah im running etch |
| 02:09.43 | Nyle | enjoy. |
| 02:09.51 | Nyle | greeg_, try /join #debian |
| 02:09.55 | Nyle | oh |
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| 02:09.59 | Nyle | you gotta be shitting me. |
| 02:10.06 | abrotman | good job |
| 02:10.07 | abrotman | :) |
| 02:10.07 | Cholito | we ARE in debian lol |
| 02:10.08 | Gillpy_ | Is there a linux tool to approximate the amount of entropy of a file? |
| 02:10.39 | Nyle | I've been working on this inventory manager all day, I'm tired. |
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| 02:11.22 | Nyle | I don't know why I thought I was in #kde |
| 02:11.24 | ssastre | I think the -o part is involved on the result |
| 02:11.36 | Cholito | Nyle: lol you need some rest I think |
| 02:11.41 | ssastre | -o makes a filter |
| 02:11.42 | Nyle | its ok man |
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| 02:11.49 | ssastre | of printing only those lines |
| 02:11.49 | Nyle | I devote a few hours to debian support everyday, or try to. |
| 02:11.55 | bruno | do_wait: drmWaitVBlank returned -1, IRQs don't seem to be working correctly. |
| 02:11.56 | bruno | Try adjusting the vblank_mode configuration parameter. |
| 02:12.11 | bruno | Any1 knows where I set vblank_mode ? |
| 02:12.12 | greeg__ | Nyle: that one liner you gave me didnt conform to my settings in .kde nor did it load the subdirs under Desktop |
| 02:12.33 | abrotman | greeg__: why does `aptitude remove xfce4` fail ? |
| 02:12.59 | Nyle | greeg__, why does update-alternatives not work for you? does it present you with a choice? |
| 02:13.06 | ssastre | peope_, thanks for trying |
| 02:13.31 | greeg__ | Nyle: it does. but it doesent load the kde settings i worked so hard setting |
| 02:13.40 | greeg__ | abrotman: becuse when i hit startx it's still there |
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| 02:13.44 | Nyle | greeg__, that has nothing to do with kde settings. |
| 02:14.01 | Nyle | greeg__, they are read from ~/.kde/ |
| 02:14.06 | greeg__ | well it would be nice to keep my settings, and even load the stuff under /home/greeg/Desktop |
| 02:14.13 | greeg__ | yea |
| 02:14.15 | greeg__ | w/e |
| 02:14.19 | greeg__ | they're not loaded |
| 02:14.20 | abrotman | greeg__: show us the error when you remove it |
| 02:14.36 | abrotman | or change your .xsession or .xinitrc |
| 02:15.00 | greeg__ | it says the following packages have been kept back |
| 02:15.08 | greeg__ | then a bunch of package names. |
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| 02:15.17 | greeg__ | then 0 remove, 0 installed, 0 upgraded |
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| 02:15.57 | BW^- | my c++ cannot produce executables. |
| 02:16.03 | BW^- | gpp throws cannot create ouptut file |
| 02:16.05 | BW^- | what do? |
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| 02:16.19 | greeg__ | i use g++ |
| 02:16.31 | peppe | BW^-: install g++ and build-essential |
| 02:17.05 | Nyle | peppe, why? |
| 02:17.14 | Nyle | peppe, you don't need to specify g++ with b-e |
| 02:17.34 | Nyle | !b-e |
| 02:17.34 | dpkg | it has been said that build-essential is a package designed to help you create executables and build Debian packages. If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables or can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to "aptitude install build-essential". If you don't plan to compile things, you don't need this package. Ask me about <qotd49>. |
| 02:17.56 | greeg__ | yeah so how to rid of xfce4 ? |
| 02:18.00 | Nyle | peppe, apt-cache depends build-essential |
| 02:18.06 | peppe | Nyle: because I'm tired and didn't remember that build-essential depends on g++ |
| 02:18.07 | Nyle | greeg__, seriously, pastebin your entire output |
| 02:18.11 | peppe | Nyle: my fault |
| 02:18.12 | Nyle | !tell greeg__ -about paster |
| 02:18.16 | greeg__ | im in command line mode |
| 02:18.17 | BW^- | peppe: that's already done. |
| 02:18.21 | Nyle | peppe, :) |
| 02:18.22 | BW^- | peppe: what more?` |
| 02:18.33 | Nyle | !pastebin pipe |
| 02:18.33 | dpkg | Download http://pastebin.ca/download/paste2pastebin.pl and install libwww-mechanize-perl. Then pipe your output to perl paste2pastebin.pl. You can also "aptitude install pastebinit" if you are on lenny/sid. |
| 02:18.51 | greeg__ | it says the following packages have been kept back, followed by a bunch of package names |
| 02:19.02 | Nyle | greeg__, try install gpm and use something like elinks or links2 |
| 02:19.15 | Texou | oops :DD funny. I start proftpd with inetd. So /etc/init.d/proftpd start works; but /etc/init.d/proftpd stop starts too :D how can I stop so? |
| 02:20.04 | Nyle | !pastewithoutx |
| 02:20.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console ; or upload a file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m, or the "screen" utility also provides keyboard driven ... |
| 02:20.44 | Nyle | !noxpaster |
| 02:20.45 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, noxpaster is Install the elinks package and launch it. Go to your paste site and when you have to paste your file in to the form, select the text area, hit 'L' to bring up the form menu, and select "Open in external editor". This will launch your $EDITOR. Use your editor to copy your logfile to the other widow, then save and quit and it'll be in the form. |
| 02:20.48 | Nyle | etc. etc. etc. |
| 02:21.02 | Nyle | !tell greeg__ -about dpkgbot |
| 02:21.36 | greeg__ | http://70.44.77.165/stuff/wtf |
| 02:21.39 | greeg__ | i have an apache server |
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| 02:22.00 | Nyle | Iceweasel can't establish a connection to the server at 70.44.77.165. |
| 02:22.11 | Nyle | heh, another problem eh. |
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| 02:24.27 | greeg___ | ok try it now |
| 02:24.32 | greeg___ | i was behind NAT |
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| 02:26.01 | Nyle | greeg__, just try update and upgrade first |
| 02:26.14 | greeg___ | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade ? |
| 02:26.19 | Nyle | greeg__, aptitude update; aptitude full-upgrade |
| 02:26.28 | greeg___ | ok here goes nuthin |
| 02:26.31 | Nyle | or safe-upgrade, dpeending on what you want |
| 02:26.43 | Nyle | or simply apt-get update apt-get upgrade |
| 02:26.58 | abrotman | he's on etch .. no such thing as safe/full |
| 02:27.01 | Nyle | oh |
| 02:27.07 | Nyle | oh he is huh |
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| 02:29.14 | Nyle | greeg__, apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 02:29.21 | BW^- | i can still not make binaries. just even made aptitude reinstall g++ build-essentials |
| 02:29.51 | Nyle | what is your error output? |
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| 02:32.11 | abrotman | it's build-essential .. no 's' |
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| 02:38.12 | tehgeekmeister | is there a way to upgrade etch to lenny easily using apt or summat like that? |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | !tell tehgeekmeister about etch->lenny |
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| 02:40.13 | tehgeekmeister | abrotman: thanks |
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| 02:50.20 | Baloo | Why would I be able to use pamtester to check a PAM module and have it work, but when ejabberd tries to use the same module with the same credentials, it dies horribly? |
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| 02:51.39 | debCarlos | How can i check my lag in pidgin ? |
| 02:52.12 | abrotman | doubt you can |
| 02:52.23 | abrotman | well .. maybe for irc .. but who would use pidgin for irc? |
| 02:52.28 | Baloo | debCarlos: /ping <nickname of person who is known to not be lagging> |
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| 02:52.36 | abrotman | that's an awful test |
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| 02:52.49 | debCarlos | Baloo: ok,... |
| 02:52.55 | debCarlos | Baloo: Then i got wrong |
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| 02:53.19 | Baloo | abrotman: It's not a great test, but it's not the worst possible test |
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| 02:53.30 | debCarlos | Baloo: I mean, the speed of my messages |
| 02:53.47 | Baloo | debCarlos: Ping the person you're talking to. |
| 02:54.01 | Baloo | That'll tell you the round trip between you and that user. |
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| 02:55.35 | debCarlos | I thinked it was lag.. |
| 02:55.46 | theBrettman | can I look through the filesystem with grub? |
| 02:55.48 | theBrettman | I wanna see if certain dir are there... |
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| 02:56.35 | theBrettman | cause I'm getting error 15 |
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| 02:56.48 | cire | in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ there is only i386.tmp. Does this mean there's an upgrade at the moment? |
| 02:57.06 | debCarlos | *was calle |
| 02:57.06 | debCarlos | *called |
| 02:57.06 | debCarlos | Baloo: That will give me the speed of my messages ? |
| 02:57.38 | Baloo | debCarlos: It'll tell you how long the ping took to get from you, to the target, and back to you. |
| 02:57.41 | abrotman | cire: what are you looking for? |
| 02:58.03 | cire | abrotman: testing cd images for i386 |
| 02:58.12 | Baloo | debCarlos: I ping'd you four times in a row, you're hovering between 143 and 193 seconds, so I guess I'll see you in two minutes after I get another soda. |
| 02:58.52 | abrotman | cire: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 03:03.58 | cire | abrotman: thanks, it works |
| 03:04.05 | HeXiLed | hi guys |
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| 03:05.04 | HeXiLed | how can i block kde and gnome packages from being synced on every apt-get update or top show related applications on search ? |
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| 03:05.49 | bmh | i installed php via apt-get, and it doesnt seem to have included PEAR, is the best way to install it to do: |
| 03:05.50 | bmh | lynx -source http://pear.php.net/go-pear | php |
| 03:06.57 | tehgeekmeister | i think i must have done something wrong: i followed dpkg's instructions to update etch to lenny, and now i'm getting configuration prompts for samba, which i can't imagine is included by default, and i have no use for: is this included in the base system by default? |
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| 03:11.32 | HeXiLed | debian-40r4a-etchnhalf-i386-netinst.iso whats the meaning of --> etchnhalf ; half? |
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| 03:14.50 | yulo | Hola!! alguien de Chile por acá!! ando más perdido que no se qué!!! |
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| 03:15.15 | HeXiLed | lol |
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| 03:24.09 | yulo | algún chileno pora acá? |
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| 03:26.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm... |
| 03:26.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | are you aware, that we don't even have a factoid for chile? |
| 03:26.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cl |
| 03:26.59 | dpkg | methinks cl is common lisp |
| 03:27.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | methinks, you could have a better answer for that |
| 03:28.48 | Nyle | whats chile? |
| 03:28.52 | Nyle | !chile |
| 03:28.58 | Nyle | !dict chile |
| 03:29.16 | Nyle | oh |
| 03:29.20 | dpkg | Dictionary 'chile' (1 of 4): A kind of red pepper. See {Capsicum} [Written also {chilli} and {chile}.] [1913 Webster]. |
| 03:29.40 | Nyle | its a country in south america |
| 03:29.43 | Nyle | wow its a long country |
| 03:30.11 | brick | yes, a country of extremes |
| 03:30.50 | Nyle | I guess no one cares about chile |
| 03:30.59 | Nyle | if they speak spanish there then you are in luck |
| 03:31.02 | Nyle | join #debian-es |
| 03:31.12 | Nyle | or if potuguese then join #debian-br |
| 03:31.22 | Nyle | if they speak chilean, then you're kinda fucked. |
| 03:32.12 | brick | yulo found #Kubuntu-es |
| 03:32.34 | Nyle | brick, why are you telling him about #kubuntu? |
| 03:32.46 | brick | i didn't tell him anything, just saying that's where he is |
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| 03:33.00 | brick | and yes FYI, spanish is dominant in chile |
| 03:33.04 | HeXiLed | Nyle country |
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| 03:46.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nyle, are you from the Us? |
| 03:46.47 | Nyle | Pakistan |
| 03:46.51 | Nyle | why? |
| 03:47.37 | pickcoder | I'm trying to load powernow-k8 for my X2 and it's saying "no such device" |
| 03:49.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | 60% of US citizens can't find the US on a world map - or so Miss Teen USA 2007 South Carolina was told (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww) |
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| 03:51.57 | Cholito | I have a wifi, the router has no encryption (mac filtered) but I still can't connect, the only answer I get is this one: http://paste.debian.net/14650/ |
| 03:52.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cholito, use iwconfig directly |
| 03:53.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cholito, e.g. iwconfig wlan0 essid "myrouter" |
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| 03:53.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | then run iwconfig wlan0 to see if it's associated |
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| 03:54.41 | Cholito | no luck |
| 03:55.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | what does 'iwconfig wlan0' show? |
| 03:55.29 | Cholito | wait..... |
| 03:55.55 | Cholito | http://paste.debian.net/14651/ |
| 03:55.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | also, iwlist wlan0 scan should show you all available APs (our you could install swscanner to see them) |
| 03:55.59 | Cholito | weird.... |
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| 03:56.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 03:56.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | -> didn't associate |
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| 03:56.39 | Cholito | ESSID:off/any |
| 03:56.47 | Cholito | *that* is weird... |
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| 03:57.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | you can also use ap <your-MAC> |
| 03:57.20 | Cholito | ?? |
| 03:57.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | iwconfig wlan0 ap 20:70:30(use MAC of AP here) |
| 03:57.55 | CutMeOwnThroat | or simply iwconfig wlan0 ap auto ... |
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| 03:58.17 | jello | hi, i need to transcode an ogg vorbis track to mp3; any suggestions for the "right tool" to use? |
| 03:58.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | Cholito, look for the signal strength of your ap with either iwlist wlan0 scan or with swscanner |
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| 04:06.09 | pickcoder | forgot to turn on coolnquiet in BIOS |
| 04:07.03 | djahandarie | That means it must have been hot and loud. |
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| 04:10.47 | Baloo | Why would a pam module test out OK with pamtester but fail to authenticate when used from ejabberd? |
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| 04:19.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, read a bit on #ubuntu... I see now what the guy meant about fools there |
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| 04:23.27 | kiwizz | To apply a patch in debian / linux do I have to uninstall the package, then modify the source code and install that way? Or can I patch the application when it is installed? |
| 04:23.43 | liable | the first |
| 04:23.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | a) |
| 04:23.51 | pipeline | kiwizz: Debian distributes updates which you can install directly. |
| 04:23.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | what patch are you talking about |
| 04:24.07 | kiwizz | Lemme find it - its a cyrus mail patch |
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| 04:24.10 | pipeline | kiwizz: Third parties distribute patches to source code, which would require you to build your own package. |
| 04:24.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 04:24.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !cyrus |
| 04:24.53 | dpkg | methinks cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. Its homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 04:24.57 | kiwizz | aww. Is it easy to compile your own? Will my settings all be the same if I just use atp-get remove? |
| 04:25.38 | kiwizz | this specific error http://weblog.elwing.org/elwing/index.php/2007/07/18/cyrus-imap-and-certificates/ |
| 04:27.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, but that is in openssl |
| 04:27.42 | kanzure | Someone (as in, me) foolishly created a few thousand files named "blah blah $1 blah blah" on the system. ls --quoting-style=escape doesn't help. Any ideas? |
| 04:28.17 | kiwizz | Ah..... Hmm..... So I need to uninstall and compile openssl? |
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| 04:29.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, probably something like apt-get build-essentials; apt-get build-dep openssl; apt-get source openssl; cd openssl*/; <patch> ; dpkg-buildpackage |
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| 04:29.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, the $ being the problem? |
| 04:29.29 | kanzure | Yes. |
| 04:29.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, or the amount of files? |
| 04:29.37 | kanzure | hah :) |
| 04:29.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, if a) rm blah* |
| 04:29.49 | kanzure | of course. |
| 04:30.05 | CutMeOwnThroat | too many files for bash to expand? |
| 04:30.30 | kanzure | No, it looks like when ls throws the line back at tty, the variable is evaluated. |
| 04:30.35 | kanzure | and thus doesn't show up. |
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| 04:30.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | no |
| 04:30.44 | kiwizz | This is only for my home server / learning more about linux. Im not too expreienced yet. Could you please go into a little bit more depth? |
| 04:31.00 | kanzure | No? |
| 04:31.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, cannot be |
| 04:31.24 | kiwizz | Ive been following a tutorial to get the mail server running, but they didnt mention this issue. It may only be with self signed certificates. |
| 04:31.25 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, hm, perhaps that helps you |
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| 04:32.06 | kiwizz | ? |
| 04:32.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | !tell kiwizz about simple sid backport |
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| 04:33.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, follow the <keywords>, i.e. /msg dpkg package recompile |
| 04:33.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, bash expands the * into the filename, then gives the result to ls - ls doesn't do any expansion of that sort |
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| 04:34.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | echo > 'xxx $1 xxx';rm xxx* |
| 04:34.22 | kanzure | Yes, I know. |
| 04:34.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | works without problems |
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| 04:34.44 | CutMeOwnThroat | so if you have a problem erasing them, it's not the $ |
| 04:34.55 | kanzure | No, the problem is elsewhere. |
| 04:34.57 | kiwizz | I tried "/msg dpkg openssl recompile" but got "I give up, what is it?, kiwizz" am I using it wrong? |
| 04:35.06 | kanzure | But as it turns out, my assumption that they had '$' in them was false. |
| 04:35.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, what is the error? |
| 04:35.32 | kanzure | CutMeOwnThroat: My script tells me the file doesn't exist. It clearly does. I was hoping it was because it had a '$' in the name or something. But if ls is telling me the truth, then I have to go back. |
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| 04:35.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, did you read the factoid about the simple sid backport? You are essentially doing the same, only you have to apply a patch before you compile |
| 04:36.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, the words in a factoid in brackets <> are other factoids you can ask/message the bot about - like <package recompile> |
| 04:37.07 | kiwizz | ah |
| 04:37.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, what script |
| 04:37.16 | kanzure | CutMeOwnThroat: I'm writing an automated PDF viewer. |
| 04:37.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, and <package recompile> is what you do |
| 04:37.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, you mean you don't have to read the stuff yourself anymore? |
| 04:37.51 | kanzure | CutMeOwnThroat: Heh. No, I just mean it pauses for a few seconds so I can read the page, and then moves on. |
| 04:38.04 | kanzure | For 122,000 papers. ;-) |
| 04:38.20 | kiwizz | Is it possible to get a newr openssl package? I have the latest stable debian, but I dont have the confidence patching and compiling a program yet. |
| 04:38.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, ls -1 *.pdf |xargs -i xpdf '{}' |
| 04:38.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, you need a few seconds to read a page? |
| 04:38.52 | kanzure | CutMeOwnThroat: Meh, this is more for fun than actual reading. |
| 04:39.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, yes - see simple sid backport :) - but your patch is not yet in the newest openssl that is in debian |
| 04:40.01 | kanzure | CutMeOwnThroat: I have a few extra monitors, so devoting one or two "FOR SCIENCE" isn't terrible. |
| 04:40.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | you mean you don't have to read the stuff "FOR SCIENCE"? |
| 04:40.37 | CutMeOwnThroat | I wish I could |
| 04:40.40 | kanzure | ? |
| 04:40.55 | kanzure | I certainly don't /have/ to. I'm not going to die if I don't. |
| 04:42.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | I mean I wish I could just display papers and suddenly know their contents :) |
| 04:42.21 | jberg | uh, not exactly debian specific, but i just need a little help. when i do tar -zxf -C /dir/to/unpack/to file.tar.gz i get tar: cannot open directory, but the dir exist |
| 04:42.32 | jberg | i want to unpack the tar archive there.. |
| 04:42.34 | kanzure | CutMeOwnThroat: http://heybryan.org/projects/autoscholar/ is what I'm working on (sort of - this is a subproject) |
| 04:42.52 | kiwizz | I found http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=openssl&searchon=names§ion=all&suite=etch-backports - are these backports that I will need? |
| 04:44.39 | jbinder | jared@MacBookPro:/usr/src$ git-clone git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/linville/wireless-testing.git |
| 04:44.42 | jbinder | fatal: could not create work tree dir 'wireless-testing'. |
| 04:44.47 | jbinder | What does that mean/how do I fix it? |
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| 04:45.06 | kiwizz | oh, and whats sid? should I remove all lines from sources.list except the deb-src? |
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| 04:45.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmmm... |
| 04:46.35 | CutMeOwnThroat | kiwizz, I don't know how much basics you know - /msg dpkg sid for sid, and possibly /msg dpkg grounding |
| 04:47.28 | kiwizz | Thanks :) |
| 04:47.48 | CutMeOwnThroat | jbinder, cool, debian runs on macbooks? |
| 04:48.25 | jbinder | Yeah. |
| 04:48.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | jbinder, you're a normal user and you are in /usr/src (owned and writeable only by root) ---> cannot create files or directories there |
| 04:48.39 | jbinder | Oh |
| 04:48.41 | jbinder | tries |
| 04:48.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | either go to a different directory or become root |
| 04:49.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | preferrably 1) |
| 04:49.13 | jbinder | Thanks, got past that error :D |
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| 04:57.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | kanzure, what I'm saying is, that the reading is still the main work :) |
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| 05:01.39 | debeee | hi, is there program i can use to insert files into an iso image? |
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| 05:03.26 | zu22 | which package provides 'nslookup' in Debian 4.0? |
| 05:03.37 | barnum | think bind-utils |
| 05:04.38 | zu22 | barnum: ah |
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| 05:06.13 | zu22 | dnsutils has it |
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| 05:08.53 | mxmx | how does oen rename files in debian? |
| 05:09.04 | jberg | mv |
| 05:09.11 | jberg | mv oldname newname |
| 05:09.15 | mxmx | cool |
| 05:09.59 | acemi | see rename too |
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| 05:13.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | debeee, I think you can mount the iso image, the copy files to it mount -o loop /path/to/xxx.iso /mnt/ |
| 05:13.30 | CutMeOwnThroat | debeee, not that I would have done that recently |
| 05:14.51 | debeee | i tried and it didn't work. it said read-only |
| 05:15.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | !iso mount |
| 05:15.20 | dpkg | somebody said iso mount was mount -t iso9660 -o loop <path_to_iso> <mount_point> |
| 05:15.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm |
| 05:17.38 | jeffspeff | how do you set a static ip via cli? |
| 05:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | debeee, perhaps you really have to copy everything, modify, then create a new one - "man mount" - seems to also suggest iso9660 is always readonly |
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| 05:20.11 | debeee | if i do that will the cd still be bootable? |
| 05:20.24 | Tramp | jeffspeff: with ifconfig. man ifconfig |
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| 05:22.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | debeee, I think there is an option in k3b to make cds bootable |
| 05:22.49 | CutMeOwnThroat | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:22.49 | dpkg | wish i knew, CutMeOwnThroat |
| 05:22.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | !bootable cd |
| 05:22.53 | dpkg | puts a pair of nikes on his feet, grabs a redhat CD and _kicks_ it! |
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| 05:23.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | !k3b iso burn |
| 05:23.15 | dpkg | hmm... k3b iso burn is found in tools -> cd -> burn CD image |
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| 05:25.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | debeee, oh, ,you can probably just "load" the iso in k3b and manipulate it |
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| 05:26.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | hmm |
| 05:26.41 | debeee | i don't have kde installed |
| 05:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | me neither |
| 05:27.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | but seems it can only read k3b projects |
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| 05:30.29 | n-iCe | hello |
| 05:32.07 | CutMeOwnThroat | debeee, hm, and mount with -t zisofs ? |
| 05:32.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | !zisofs |
| 05:32.12 | dpkg | [zisofs] the transparent decompression for ISO9660 cdroms (only available in Linux!!). It is supported by Linux 2.4.14 and later, more info at http://freshmeat.net/projects/zisofs-tools/ |
| 05:32.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | reads to me as if that did the trick |
| 05:32.52 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, perhaps not |
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| 05:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | just adding an additional layer of obscurity :) |
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| 05:35.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | well, amazing - I thought that would be kinda simple |
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| 05:36.01 | Corwin | That zisofs-tools freshmeat description sucks, so it's like a wacked out version of mirroring on a single CD? |
| 05:36.40 | zeeeee | in debian packaging, Build-Depends is described in the docs as "at the time of building the package". this means that for most users, who just install binary packages, this is irrelevant/ignored, and is only used on systems that prepare binary packages from the source packages, right? |
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| 05:43.01 | SQLDb | is there a way to kill a frozen window in KDE, if you're not sure what the apps name is? |
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| 05:46.00 | SQLDb | found it, nm |
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| 05:49.19 | Tapout | when installing a new debian setup, is there a way to setup xfs on certain partitions from the install? |
| 05:49.29 | Tapout | I've never tried it, i'm moving my data to another server to try |
| 05:49.34 | Tapout | wondering if someone knows off hand |
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| 05:52.33 | simonrvn | Tapout: of course. it's the 'manual' setup. |
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| 05:56.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | SQLDb, xkill (but doesn't always reliably kill the process) |
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| 05:57.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | zeeeee, yes |
| 05:58.10 | SQLDb | CutMeOwnThroat: Heh, I found it by going over every line in ps aux :) It just wasn't named as I expected... Something like x-web-browser or similar, when I was expecting something more like 'galeon' |
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| 06:03.11 | zeeeee | CutMeOwnThroat, thanks |
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| 06:05.24 | jbinder | Hey guys, I heard there might be an update soon so I just installed lenny... in my apt file, should it say lenny or testing? |
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| 06:05.58 | jbinder | Basically what I want is that I always have the newest one (like lenny is now)... I think that is called testing... so I'm guessing I want my apt file to say testing? |
| 06:06.10 | jbinder | Or will that mix lenny with something else..? idk lol |
| 06:06.31 | dagnasty | jbinder: you should keep all of those sources as testing |
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| 06:07.20 | jetscreamer | jbinder: if you want to stay with lenny when it goes stable, put lenny. if not,... |
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| 06:08.42 | jetscreamer | what is testing going to be named after lenny does it's thing |
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| 06:09.34 | jetscreamer | (but i don't mean put that name in sources) |
| 06:09.55 | Anarch | Nobody in #gentoo will tell me where to find documentation of the meanings of trailing chars on USE flags (e.g. "examples%*") ... not finding them in man pages or on <http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/list.xml> ... so if somebody here tells me, I'll post the dialog to <bash.org>. |
| 06:10.05 | infinitycircuit | jetscreamer, unknown |
| 06:10.17 | infinitycircuit | Anarch, this is #debian |
| 06:10.18 | kmeyer | what is unstable called? sid? |
| 06:10.22 | infinitycircuit | kmeyer, yes |
| 06:10.23 | jetscreamer | use flags? |
| 06:10.27 | Nyle | Anarch, wrong channel |
| 06:10.34 | Nyle | jetscreamer, you don't know obviously gentoo |
| 06:10.37 | kmeyer | jetscreamer: gentoo thing |
| 06:10.43 | jetscreamer | i don't know emerge |
| 06:10.48 | Nyle | jetscreamer, and you suck a lot too |
| 06:10.49 | jetscreamer | i did a stage something once |
| 06:10.53 | jetscreamer | yeah.. why now |
| 06:10.56 | jetscreamer | or this time |
| 06:10.58 | Nyle | I dunno |
| 06:11.03 | jetscreamer | oh ok |
| 06:11.03 | Nyle | just something to say :) |
| 06:11.12 | jetscreamer | site still works eh |
| 06:11.15 | Anarch | Well, I hoped I'd make somebody laugh at least. |
| 06:11.16 | Nyle | fantastic |
| 06:11.20 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 06:11.26 | Nyle | jetscreamer, did you know I can modify my own traffic/quota |
| 06:11.26 | Baloo | argh...stupid pam. |
| 06:11.28 | Nyle | jetscreamer, how come? |
| 06:11.29 | jetscreamer | you should sell web space |
| 06:11.33 | Nyle | jetscreamer, I should? |
| 06:11.34 | jetscreamer | Nyle: yes |
| 06:11.37 | Nyle | jetscreamer, talk to me in pvt |
| 06:11.42 | jetscreamer | sure... |
| 06:11.48 | Nyle | thanks |
| 06:12.04 | Nyle | jetscreamer, what sort of permissions did you give me on the server? |
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| 06:12.15 | Nyle | jetscreamer, apparantly I can modify my quota/bandwidth per month and raise to whatever |
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| 06:12.34 | Baloo | Why would a pam module work with pamtester but not with ejabberd for the same user and password? |
| 06:12.37 | Nyle | anyway, just hit me up I'm going to bed now, I gotta work bah! |
| 06:13.07 | tenzind | hi, can I run an X application from a terminal (ALT+CTL+F1) and have the output/UI shown in my Desktop (ALT+CTL+F7) ? |
| 06:14.06 | Nyle | tenzind, e.g, xterm -display :0 |
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| 06:14.20 | Nyle | or use whicherver :display is it on |
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| 06:22.16 | etchgroup | hello |
| 06:22.19 | jetscreamer | CutMeOwnThroat: because it's 'that' channel |
| 06:22.20 | etchgroup | how are you? |
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| 06:22.29 | jetscreamer | we are all fine how are you all |
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| 06:23.00 | etchgroup | somebody can help me? |
| 06:23.07 | etchgroup | I work on ts7260 hardware |
| 06:23.11 | jetscreamer | just ask |
| 06:23.15 | jetscreamer | !ask |
| 06:23.15 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 06:23.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer, somebody in here said they're all fools, so I went there to check :-P |
| 06:23.47 | etchgroup | an kernel is 2.4, but I need pass to 2.6 |
| 06:23.48 | jetscreamer | they have like designated mothers or something |
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| 06:24.01 | jetscreamer | chanmoms |
| 06:24.09 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 06:24.12 | etchgroup | somebody know the solution? |
| 06:24.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | jetscreamer, some guy asked how to prevent people from reading with ls or cd-ing into / ... so I guess the guy had a point |
| 06:24.45 | jetscreamer | etchgroup: install one... apt-cache search linux-image , pick ont, aptitude install it |
| 06:24.54 | jetscreamer | s/ont/one/ |
| 06:24.55 | etchgroup | no |
| 06:25.10 | etchgroup | linux-mage don't exist for ep93xx |
| 06:25.14 | jetscreamer | ah ok so what is ts7260 hardware |
| 06:25.20 | jetscreamer | ok beyond me then |
| 06:25.25 | infinitycircuit | jetscreamer, http://www.embeddedarm.com/products/board-detail.php?product=TS-7260 |
| 06:25.35 | etchgroup | a mini itx motherboard for embedded system |
| 06:25.39 | jetscreamer | ooo |
| 06:25.45 | etchgroup | processor ARM |
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| 06:25.52 | jetscreamer | wonders about infinitycircuit's quick link |
| 06:26.01 | etchgroup | infinitycircuit : you know this hardware ? |
| 06:26.15 | infinitycircuit | etchgroup, i know google |
| 06:26.17 | jetscreamer | compile one? |
| 06:26.19 | etchgroup | lol |
| 06:26.26 | jetscreamer | a kernel i mean |
| 06:26.58 | etchgroup | yes , i have try , but kernel panic |
| 06:27.24 | etchgroup | but, I ask me, if somebody have use this hardware ? |
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| 06:27.53 | infinitycircuit | etchgroup, hm http://microcontrollershop.com/product_info.php?products_id=1662 seems to suggest linux 2.6 should support that chipset |
| 06:28.30 | basanta | any tool to check ip conflict in LAN? |
| 06:28.55 | infinitycircuit | etchgroup, have you read this? http://arm.cirrus.com/docs/2.6/ |
| 06:29.11 | jetscreamer | etchgroup: have you checked some of the common kernel compile problems, like initrd or did you compile all the needed drivers in? |
| 06:29.19 | jetscreamer | anyway |
| 06:29.25 | jetscreamer | wanders off |
| 06:29.29 | etchgroup | no problem when I compile |
| 06:29.44 | jetscreamer | yeah i mean the problems you get after |
| 06:30.04 | jetscreamer | not the actual compiling |
| 06:30.14 | jetscreamer | like the ones i mentioned |
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| 06:31.33 | jetscreamer | is there a #debian-arm or something? |
| 06:31.35 | jetscreamer | !arm |
| 06:31.36 | dpkg | hmm... arm is Advanced RISC Machine, a processor architecture, or http://www.debian.org/ports/arm/ or best supported in #debian-arm on irc.oftc.net. Devices supported by the Debian ARM port include the Linksys <NSLU2> and Thecus <N2100>. |
| 06:31.53 | etchgroup | ok |
| 06:32.03 | etchgroup | thanks for your help |
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| 06:32.47 | Zombized | I have a bunch of debs, some are the same package but different version, how do I remove the old versions of such pairs? |
| 06:33.10 | CutMeOwnThroat | arms |
| 06:33.58 | jetscreamer | disarms, and starts bleeding all over the floor |
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| 06:34.27 | CutMeOwnThroat | quickly mops up the blood to put it in the next set of sausages. |
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| 06:37.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite |
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| 06:39.18 | enouf | [02:38:18] Ignoring *!*@122.160.13.21 ... what a relief! |
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| 06:39.29 | CutMeOwnThroat | guess I'm going to try to hack 127.0.0.1 some more then to bed |
| 06:39.33 | enouf | so nice to get spammed upon joining |
| 06:40.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, something about a 1337 gangstah channel, bychance? |
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| 06:40.56 | Baloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:41.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | Baloo, perhaps ejabberd (whatever that is) was compiled without pam support |
| 06:41.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | offers a wild guess |
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| 06:42.15 | CutMeOwnThroat | nite again |
| 06:43.06 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: i don't know, i don't read them - all i know is it steals my window focus, so now i have to alter how my client behaves b/c some <insert expletive> can't block these fucken morons |
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| 06:43.50 | Baloo | It's compiled with PAM support, it's checking PAM and PAM is failing it. |
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| 06:48.06 | puff | Where would the log messages from a cron.d job end up? |
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| 06:48.24 | tralala | puff, mailed to root |
| 06:48.34 | tralala | if there's mta running |
| 06:48.59 | puff | Hm. |
| 06:49.45 | puff | Hm, I see some mail from cron about things like "Warning: "+number" syntax is deprecated, please use "-n +number" |
| 06:49.52 | puff | But nothing about problems with updating spamassassin. |
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| 06:52.48 | pyrohotdog | Why does my external harddrive mount read only? |
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| 06:59.02 | tralala | pyrohotdog, because it's ntfs |
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| 07:06.26 | hramrach_ | Hello |
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| 07:06.48 | hramrach_ | what tool can I use to display a character in various fonts? |
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| 07:07.57 | hramrach_ | I think I got a font with a bug but I am not sure how to check what the glyph looks like in different fonts |
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| 07:11.43 | pyrohotdog | My external NTFS drive mounts read-only...how do I fix that? |
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| 07:15.44 | xand | !ntfs-3g |
| 07:15.44 | dpkg | ntfs-3g is probably a user-space NTFS driver with write support and good performance. It is available in Lenny, or through backports.org for Etch (ask me about <backports.org> for instructions and see http://packages.debian.org/etch-backports/ntfs-3g). Usage examples: http://www.ntfs-3g.org/#usage |
| 07:15.48 | xand | pyrohotdog: ^ |
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| 07:19.46 | SPF | ide max speed is measured in 100MB/s or 133MB/s. Is that Mega Bytes? |
| 07:20.18 | tralala | yes |
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| 07:23.42 | SPF | on a Gbit LAN, my max transfer rate is only 40MB/s, where is the bottleneck? |
| 07:24.08 | tralala | SPF, in your hard disk speed |
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| 07:24.17 | quitte | su uhm. kofficedoesn't work in gnome at all? |
| 07:24.23 | quitte | (lenny) |
| 07:24.44 | tralala | quitte, of course it does (unless it's broken in lenny) |
| 07:24.49 | pyrohotdog | How do I add the necessary repos to get ntfs-3g? |
| 07:25.02 | tralala | pyrohotdog, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 07:25.26 | tralala | (if you are running etch) |
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| 07:25.30 | SPF | tralala: according to the wiki ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_disk#Capacity_and_access_speed ) a typical desktop hdd might have a media transfer rate of 1 Gbit/s or higher |
| 07:25.54 | SPF | or is this incorrect? |
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| 07:27.21 | fireba11 | that's correct for recent SATA HDs |
| 07:28.18 | quitte | as kword doesn't work for me fr some reason: is it possible to rotate an image from within kword? |
| 07:28.28 | fireba11 | namely spinpoint ft with 1 TB and velociraptor |
| 07:28.44 | quitte | both abiword and OO.o writer can't. which I personaly consider a disaster |
| 07:29.45 | fireba11 | quitte: it's a text program not a graphic tool .. also OO.o writer can rotate images |
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| 07:30.05 | quitte | fireba11: it can't: http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3545 |
| 07:30.07 | tralala | SPF, I don't see any sources quoted to support that claim. |
| 07:30.08 | OpenTokix | OO-writer is complete and utter crap |
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| 07:30.42 | tralala | OpenTokix, you're excused from using it |
| 07:30.50 | OpenTokix | tralala: I don't have anything else |
| 07:31.17 | kernel_ghost | OpenTokix: there are several alternatives |
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| 07:31.32 | OpenTokix | kernel_ghost: ok, give some - I would love to hear |
| 07:31.39 | tralala | LaTeX |
| 07:31.42 | OpenTokix | kernel_ghost: honestly |
| 07:31.45 | kernel_ghost | OpenTokix: well you've got lotus symphony |
| 07:31.46 | OpenTokix | tralala: I use lyx |
| 07:31.56 | kernel_ghost | you've got koffice |
| 07:32.01 | quitte | at least abiword gives me the opeion to edit the inserted bitmap from an exernal program(gimp) writer doesn'T even do that |
| 07:32.13 | kernel_ghost | there you go abiword |
| 07:32.39 | OpenTokix | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:32.43 | quitte | yes. but i just need to rotate a picture by 90° |
| 07:32.43 | tralala | OpenTokix, so you do have something else |
| 07:32.49 | SPF | tralala: I suspect that the 100MB/s on ide is wrong. Now reading the rfc |
| 07:32.51 | telmich | hello |
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| 07:33.25 | kernel_ghost | OpenTokix: lotus symphony is still an alternative |
| 07:33.26 | OpenTokix | tralala: nice |
| 07:33.29 | OpenTokix | kernel_ghost: ok |
| 07:33.29 | telmich | is anyone seeing a firmware for Broadcom Corporation NetXtreme II BCM5708S in Debian? I see the firmware for 5706 and 5709, but not 08 |
| 07:33.34 | OpenTokix | kernel_ghost: thanks |
| 07:33.37 | kernel_ghost | np |
| 07:33.54 | tralala | SPF, this is interface speed, i.e. if you attach several hdds and do a parallel access you can go up to 100MB/s |
| 07:34.20 | telmich | or different said: 2.6.25-2 tries to load bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw, but says it cannot load the file |
| 07:34.54 | OpenTokix | kernel_ghost: sorry for my outburst, but I am having trouble compiling some shit. - Just the notion of compiling "standard" libraries aggitates me =) |
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| 07:35.04 | telmich | which exists at /lib/firmware/bnx2-06-4.0.5.fw |
| 07:35.07 | kernel_ghost | OpenTokix: that ok |
| 07:35.09 | kernel_ghost | thats |
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| 07:37.19 | Zoup_ | when i create new partition , they are not available until i do restart my machine |
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| 07:40.14 | Baloo | Heh, Phelps just won a race with his eyes closed. |
| 07:40.25 | Baloo | And I'm looking at a different chnanel than I expected |
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| 07:40.56 | beardy | Baloo: Surprise! |
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| 07:55.18 | ma3x | something keeps beeping though i have pcspkr unloaded. what is it? |
| 07:55.21 | rdz | what is the most beloved software to watch tv on linux/debian? |
| 07:55.35 | Dreamlinux | hi rdz |
| 07:55.42 | rdz | ma3x, wow, that is annoying.... |
| 07:56.01 | Dreamlinux | I use TV-TIME i loved jeje |
| 07:56.16 | ma3x | when i plug in/out ac |
| 07:56.53 | Araneidae | Where is a good place to ask about GRUB problems: trying to USB boot, and getting *all* the GRUB error codes! |
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| 07:57.21 | Lagbolt | Araneidae, is grub on the usb? or trying to use grub menu to boot a usb device? |
| 07:57.35 | Araneidae | Trying to boot from a USB disk |
| 07:57.47 | telmich | uhh? |
| 07:57.51 | tralala | rdz, tvtime |
| 07:57.55 | Araneidae | I started with Error 18, so now have a separate /boot parition at the start of the disk |
| 07:58.07 | rdz | tralala, Dreamlinux thanks for the suggestions |
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| 07:58.11 | Lagbolt | and grub is installed on it? when you installed it did you make sure the grub root was set to the right device? |
| 07:58.19 | telmich | if I load bnx2 manually after boot, it loads the firmware and runs |
| 07:58.22 | Dreamlinux | :) |
| 07:58.29 | Araneidae | Unfortunately I dont get the GRUB menu, I just get an error |
| 07:58.32 | Dreamlinux | Platinum Arts Sandbox Beta 2.2.0 Release! |
| 07:58.33 | telmich | if it is loaded at boot, it does not find the firmware |
| 07:58.40 | Araneidae | Had error 2 in the past, current have error 15. |
| 07:58.47 | Lagbolt | Araneidae, yeah probably because it is pointed to wrong device |
| 07:58.54 | Araneidae | Hmm. |
| 07:59.04 | tralala | sadly tvtime has been orphaned. I hope it will find a new maintainer soon |
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| 07:59.15 | Araneidae | That's irritating - the usb device tends to change... |
| 07:59.20 | Lagbolt | grub goes in mbr and points to a drive where it finds menu.lst, so if that is not setup correctly there is a no go |
| 07:59.25 | Dreamlinux | for example PAS was use in the MOD LMS (mod for DOOM III) very nice!!! :) |
| 08:00.00 | Araneidae | I think I see ... but how do I tell which devices GRUB is going to see? It's not the same as when the machine is running! |
| 08:00.02 | Lagbolt | Araneidae, when you boot it do you select it from a function key at boot that changes boot device? |
| 08:00.19 | Lagbolt | if you do that the device should be hd0 as far as grub can tell |
| 08:00.25 | Araneidae | Well, so far I've tried booting in two different ways: |
| 08:00.26 | Dreamlinux | Araneidae... wich error show you GRUB? |
| 08:00.55 | Araneidae | The current error is Error 15 at GRUB stage 1.5 (no menu) |
| 08:01.06 | Araneidae | I'm booting in two different ways: |
| 08:01.10 | Dreamlinux | mm.. ok |
| 08:01.43 | Araneidae | 1. Disconnect internal hd (SATA), plug in USB disk, switch on. This works if I use a Live CD to boot! |
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| 08:02.01 | Araneidae | 2. That's too tedious, so use QEMU to boot instead. |
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| 08:03.11 | Lagbolt | what is on the hd(sata)? working grub? |
| 08:03.32 | Dreamlinux | Araneidae: you have damaged your stages!!! |
| 08:03.41 | Araneidae | Oh, ignore the sata disk: that works just fine, indeed that's the boot I'm using now! |
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| 08:04.00 | Araneidae | Problem is, I'm trying to make a *portable* boot, and I think I've dug myself into a hole! |
| 08:04.35 | Lagbolt | Araneidae, i have a usb device that boots, it is just a matter of getting grub properly installed and pointing to the correct places |
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| 08:04.55 | Araneidae | Did you have to make a separate boot parition? |
| 08:05.03 | Lagbolt | but yeah the error you got is related to bad data |
| 08:05.07 | Lagbolt | http://www.uruk.org/orig-grub/errors.html#stage1_5 |
| 08:05.17 | Araneidae | Ok. |
| 08:05.25 | Lagbolt | the usb install i had was single partiton for / |
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| 08:05.53 | quitte | Araneidae: when booting from usb I'd use syslinux rather than grub |
| 08:06.12 | Dreamlinux | 28 : "Bad or corrupt version of stage1/stage2" |
| 08:06.27 | Araneidae | quitte, that sounds worth a try. I do seem to be fighting GRUB here |
| 08:06.39 | Dreamlinux | often happens!!! |
| 08:06.40 | quitte | you need a (v)fat partition at the start,though |
| 08:07.10 | quitte | Araneidae: the big advantage is that it doesn't have any rootdevice option. it boos just like dos does |
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| 08:07.23 | Araneidae | ach. Well, I've got a spare partition there anyway. Could syslinux be configured to hand over to the /boot on the mainpartition? |
| 08:07.26 | Lagbolt | yeah, that is helpful |
| 08:07.30 | quitte | Araneidae: also you can use any debian boot cd as an example |
| 08:07.52 | Araneidae | scurries off to grab Debian disk |
| 08:07.57 | quitte | Araneidae: hand over? all you need to do is tell it wehere the kernel and initrd are |
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| 08:08.23 | Araneidae | Well, that's kind of what I mean: they'll be on the second partition... |
| 08:08.27 | quitte | Araneidae: and it will be on the same partition that syslinux is |
| 08:08.33 | Lagbolt | quitte, yeah i think his problem is that his grub on usb mbr is not pointing to the /boot/grub on the usb drive |
| 08:08.45 | quitte | Araneidae: it has to be a primary partition marked active |
| 08:09.05 | quitte | Lagbolt: yes. and it might change between bios implementations |
| 08:09.32 | Lagbolt | quitte, exactly, i found that is you use the "change boot device" that selecting the usb drive makes it hd0 all at least 3 machines i have |
| 08:09.45 | quitte | Araneidae: once you got that figured out you should boot by the filesystem id instead of the devicename ;) |
| 08:09.59 | Lagbolt | but then the "sd[abc]" for root=/dev/ changes depending on machine so i use uuid |
| 08:10.10 | quitte | agreed |
| 08:10.34 | Araneidae | uuid. Does GRUB understand those, or would that be a syslinux function? |
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| 08:10.46 | Lagbolt | grub does uuid no probs |
| 08:10.50 | Araneidae | wonders whether to give GRUB one more try ... got everything to hand now. |
| 08:10.58 | rdz | tralala, or any other tvtime user: is it possible to send audio to jack? |
| 08:11.03 | Araneidae | Ok. I've gout the /boot partition mounted at the moment. |
| 08:11.04 | quitte | grub and syslinux don'T have to. the initrd understands it, though |
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| 08:11.33 | Araneidae | My device.map has: (hd0) /dev/sde |
| 08:11.36 | quitte | Araneidae: check the docs in /usr/doc/syslinux/ to make /boot a bootable partition |
| 08:11.38 | Lagbolt | yeah, grub uses (hd#,#) for root |
| 08:11.50 | tralala | rdz, this probably depends on your tv card and not the tv player |
| 08:11.54 | Araneidae | That /dev/sde seems a bit variable ... in particular, sometimes it's sdf or sda |
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| 08:12.18 | quitte | Araneidae: that'S why you should mount by uuid |
| 08:12.30 | rdz | tralala, don't get that |
| 08:12.34 | Araneidae | Ok: how do I do that? |
| 08:13.13 | rdz | tralala, you mean, that tvtime is not even accessing the audio, audio is supposed to be wired to the mixer or soemthing like that? |
| 08:13.20 | Caelum | for some reason xscreensaver isn't recognizing that I have 2 screens anymore |
| 08:13.36 | Lagbolt | Caelum, same problem here |
| 08:14.03 | Lagbolt | Caelum, might be a bug or a new option. i havent done much searching . . . it is not significant to me |
| 08:14.23 | rdz | tralala, got it. i have audio now.. |
| 08:14.28 | quitte | Araneidae: look at /dev/disk/by-uuid/ that's what you use for root= |
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| 08:15.04 | Araneidae | quitte: oh wow! |
| 08:16.02 | quitte | /sbin/blkid tells you the uuid of a blockdevice |
| 08:16.21 | tralala | rdz, on my tv card the audio is wired into the line-in jack of the sound card |
| 08:16.25 | Araneidae | So how far has grub got so far? I really don't quite get that: |
| 08:17.12 | Araneidae | 1. MBR -> 2. stage1? -> 3. stage1.5 -> 4. read something derived from menu.lst??? |
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| 08:17.25 | rdz | tralala, hm.. i see. playing audio on an external soundcard could get a bit tricky, i suppose... |
| 08:17.30 | quitte | this is all stuff that grub doesn't have to know about |
| 08:17.43 | quitte | those are options you pass to te kernel |
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| 08:17.53 | quitte | and use in fstab to identify the filesystems |
| 08:18.00 | Caelum | Lagbolt: thanks, guess I'll leave it alone |
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| 08:18.27 | quitte | then instead of grub use syslinux to load the kernel+initrd and pass the bootparameters to the kernel |
| 08:18.32 | Lagbolt | Caelum, well you can google around and see if a bug is filed. but it def happened after an upgrade for me |
| 08:19.01 | Araneidae | quitte, I will do that: but I've got GRUB in my hands right now, and only 12 minutes left to play ... so it's grub for the moment!" |
| 08:19.26 | tralala | rdz, likely yes |
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| 08:20.20 | Araneidae | So I can add my UUID to menu.lst (and reinstall grub) ,, |
| 08:20.50 | quitte | yes. that won't help if grub doesn'T find the /boot partition, though |
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| 08:21.04 | quitte | Araneidae: no need to reinstall grub |
| 08:21.14 | quitte | Araneidae: it reads menu.lst from the filesystem |
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| 08:21.38 | Araneidae | Don't quite understand how grub can fail to find the boot partition though! |
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| 08:22.15 | Araneidae | menu.lst already has the right UUID |
| 08:22.37 | quitte | Araneidae: if it soesn'T find the boot partition it doesn't ever see menu.lst |
| 08:22.48 | qwerty121 | hello all! I am an Ubuntu user for 1year. I want to try debian. But i don't have a dvd burner so would go with the cds. Do I need all the cds? |
| 08:22.59 | Araneidae | Yes: but how can it fail to find the boot partition? It's the first partition on the disk! |
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| 08:23.14 | quitte | qwerty121: use the netinstall or business card cds. |
| 08:23.30 | quitte | err cd |
| 08:23.31 | Araneidae | (And it's marked for Boot according to fdisk) |
| 08:24.19 | Lagbolt | qwerty121, first CD or netinstall |
| 08:24.22 | OpenTokix | qwerty121: go with the netinst, if you have network setup for you machine |
| 08:24.56 | Araneidae | netinst is nice and easy |
| 08:25.10 | defrysk | businesscard has my preference |
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| 08:25.19 | qwerty121 | thanks. frankly i always have a tough time connecting to net whenever I tried to a distro...So netinstall won't be a good idea... |
| 08:25.21 | defrysk | it selects the proper kernel |
| 08:25.23 | OpenTokix | netinst is best, since it has the nic-extra-modules |
| 08:25.32 | OpenTokix | if you have some ghetto-pc with strange network hardware |
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| 08:25.41 | qwerty121 | I have a broadband connection and a router... |
| 08:25.51 | OpenTokix | qwerty121: And the router gives ip by dhcp? |
| 08:26.12 | Araneidae | Sounds like you should be ok, really |
| 08:26.17 | qwerty121 | OpenTokix: dunno...may be...I am a total n00b with networking |
| 08:26.23 | sajes | What's going on with the image archive? i386 is missing and i386.tmp is empty. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/ |
| 08:26.35 | quitte | qwerty121: do you need to upply a username and password to connct to the net? |
| 08:26.41 | quitte | supply* |
| 08:26.44 | qwerty121 | quitte: yes |
| 08:26.54 | quitte | qwerty121: ok. sounds like pppoe |
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| 08:27.03 | qwerty121 | yes thats it |
| 08:27.04 | quitte | better use the full first iso then |
| 08:27.15 | OpenTokix | yes |
| 08:27.18 | OpenTokix | qwerty121: listen to quitte |
| 08:27.28 | quitte | qwerty121: once you installed run pppoeconf |
| 08:27.29 | Lagbolt | quitte, did your ubuntu installer work no probs with your setup? if so the netinstall debian will prob be just fine assuming you dont need a kern later than 2.6.18 for hardware |
| 08:27.31 | Araneidae | But don't you have a separate router? Doesn't that handle the connection already? |
| 08:27.33 | qwerty121 | ok. but how to connect to internet? |
| 08:27.43 | qwerty121 | quitte: thanks |
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| 08:27.56 | qwerty121 | and what is business card ? |
| 08:28.04 | qwerty121 | I am talking about debian |
| 08:28.09 | Araneidae | Minimal cd install |
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| 08:28.19 | quitte | qwerty121: very basic. it only comes with ethernet drivers and pulls everything in from the internet |
| 08:28.27 | qwerty121 | is that same as the first cd install? |
| 08:28.38 | qwerty121 | o i got it |
| 08:28.50 | quitte | no. way less. the first cd contains all thepackages for a basic debian installation |
| 08:29.14 | quitte | netinstall is inbetween. it has very essential packages and most debian installer components |
| 08:29.30 | qwerty121 | that means i just need the first cd. Will there be any GUI? |
| 08:29.43 | qwerty121 | sorry if i am being a dubmo |
| 08:29.47 | qwerty121 | *dumbo |
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| 08:30.12 | aronofsky | hi, I got a strange https problem with following site : https://www.pbskidsplay.org/account/subscribenow/ ... it works ok with FF3 but FF 2.0.0.16 tells me it cant verify it as a trusted site ... the cert is signed by verisign ... anyone got an idea where it could come from ? |
| 08:30.15 | quitte | that'S ok. obviously you are willing to learn and know how to ask questions |
| 08:31.02 | qwerty121 | ok. but about the gui? |
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| 08:31.26 | qwerty121 | site: may be some problem with your system time |
| 08:31.29 | Lagbolt | i think etch is text based but it is easy |
| 08:31.44 | quitte | haven't installed from a full cd since potato. but it should give you something basic including a pckage manager |
| 08:31.56 | quitte | or else i'd be quite surprisedand disappointed |
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| 08:32.21 | qwerty121 | feels quitte forgets his spacebar |
| 08:32.25 | Lagbolt | qwerty121, http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 08:32.35 | Lagbolt | you can use "installgui" if you want a gui |
| 08:32.35 | quitte | nah. my keyboard sucks |
| 08:33.04 | qwerty121 | Lagbolt: i am asking whether i will get gui after first cd installation |
| 08:33.16 | Lagbolt | oh after installed? |
| 08:33.18 | OpenTokix | qwerty121: if you choose, yes |
| 08:33.20 | qwerty121 | yes |
| 08:33.34 | Lagbolt | qwerty121, if you select "desktop environment" in the tasksel portion |
| 08:33.36 | Lagbolt | you will get gnome |
| 08:33.39 | Lagbolt | just like ubuntu |
| 08:33.42 | qwerty121 | OpenTokix: that means there's an option to have no gui? |
| 08:34.07 | qwerty121 | feels blind without gui |
| 08:34.07 | Lagbolt | qwerty121, you do mean gui after all is done? or do you mean during the install? |
| 08:34.18 | qwerty121 | Lagbolt: the former |
| 08:34.18 | Lagbolt | you can have BOTH :) |
| 08:34.25 | qwerty121 | Lagbolt: thanks |
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| 08:34.43 | qwerty121 | i hope the installation won't be complicated... |
| 08:34.44 | Lagbolt | qwerty121, "desktop environment" should be selected by default so as long as you dont uncheck it you will get gnome |
| 08:34.53 | Lagbolt | qwerty121, check the link i sent |
| 08:34.53 | qwerty121 | any suggestion you want to give me? |
| 08:35.00 | qwerty121 | Lagbolt: ok |
| 08:35.08 | Lagbolt | it only asks basic questions, time zone, passwords and what not |
| 08:35.23 | qwerty121 | that would be ok |
| 08:35.26 | quitte | qwerty121: don'T worry too much and havea backup plan to get back on irc if things fail to work out |
| 08:35.28 | riz_ | Hello. I've a problem with my cdrom: my sid doesn't want recognize it |
| 08:35.36 | qwerty121 | i did almost 20 ubuntu installations |
| 08:35.44 | Lagbolt | it will ask for a "root" password, if you supply one then you will have to use "su" unlike the sudo in ubuntu by default |
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| 08:36.02 | Lagbolt | i cant recall if etch installer has option to leave it blank to setup sudo option |
| 08:36.05 | qwerty121 | Lagbolt: ok...thanks |
| 08:36.14 | quitte | only in expert mode iirc |
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| 08:36.26 | riz_ | my cdrom are sata. I've enable sata support, scsi support and scsi cdrom |
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| 08:37.05 | qwerty121 | thanks everyone...he hopes the next time he's on this channel it will be debian |
| 08:37.12 | riz_ | in dmesg I see only sd 0:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg0 type 0 |
| 08:37.15 | Lagbolt | qwerty121, good luck! |
| 08:37.25 | qwerty121 | ty |
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| 08:37.26 | Lagbolt | hope it works, come back if you have trouble |
| 08:37.42 | mrynit | has anyone tried using i8k for fan control on dell laptops? im just wont work |
| 08:38.16 | quitte | i8k? is that some modern i2c? :P |
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| 08:46.20 | ma3x | how do you play trailers from apple.com/trailers ? it asks you to upgrade to quicktime. how the hell can i play it? |
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| 08:47.02 | moshii | ma3x: try one of the broswer plugins that hooks a video player |
| 08:48.13 | ma3x | like what? |
| 08:49.01 | moshii | there's an mplayer plugin for mozilla based browsers.. I think there is a libxine based one for konq |
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| 08:49.10 | moshii | mozilla-mplayer |
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| 08:52.29 | defrysk | the ugly plugin of gstreamer does those i believe |
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| 08:54.14 | defrysk | or gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad |
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| 09:11.11 | pumpkin0 | how do i disable a CPU-core? (i want to test the speed-up of SMP for a program) |
| 09:12.00 | OpenTokix | pumpkin0: man taskset |
| 09:12.31 | pumpkin0 | OpenTokix: thanks. |
| 09:12.35 | OpenTokix | pumpkin0: yw |
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| 09:13.15 | Knight_Lord | Is there any way to cat a file only after a certain regexp? |
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| 09:14.16 | OpenTokix | Knight_Lord: explain? |
| 09:14.33 | OpenTokix | Knight_Lord: maybe its sed and awk you are after? |
| 09:14.37 | OpenTokix | Knight_Lord: or grep even |
| 09:14.43 | OpenTokix | man grep |
| 09:14.59 | Knight_Lord | I have a big mail box |
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| 09:15.06 | Knight_Lord | I want to split it into several small ones |
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| 09:15.15 | Knight_Lord | My idea is to use split to just get the last 100MB or so |
| 09:15.31 | Knight_Lord | and then remove the beggining until i see a line that starts with From |
| 09:15.31 | OpenTokix | ok |
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| 09:15.48 | OpenTokix | strange =) |
| 09:15.56 | mmu_man | hey, has debian-win32 ever been finished ? |
| 09:16.19 | OpenTokix | mmu_man: They are waiting for win32 to be finished |
| 09:16.30 | mmu_man | fair enough :D |
| 09:16.34 | OpenTokix | =) |
| 09:16.47 | mmu_man | maybe ReactOS will work before that ;) |
| 09:17.44 | aronofsky | does anyone know if iceweasl 3 should come with verisign EV certificate ? |
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| 09:19.19 | eps | debian-win32 what...? |
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| 09:20.04 | OpenTokix | aronofsky: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/4828 <-- maybe that? |
| 09:20.08 | OpenTokix | aronofsky: will help you |
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| 09:21.32 | mmu_man | eps http://debian-cygwin.sourceforge.net/ |
| 09:23.06 | eps | ahaha |
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| 09:23.54 | eps | also that is very different to debian/linux which is what I thought you implied :P |
| 09:25.15 | aronofsky | OpenTokix: thats for old FF relase , that should be native in FF3 , no ? |
| 09:25.20 | mmu_man | what about Debian/Hurd ? |
| 09:25.25 | mmu_man | :D |
| 09:25.30 | OpenTokix | aronofsky: not sure tbh |
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| 09:28.00 | harpal | Hey can i export a variable which has " included? |
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| 09:28.43 | OpenTokix | harpal: 'varia"ble' |
| 09:29.09 | harpal | OpenTokix: Thanks |
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| 09:29.46 | OpenTokix | harpal: or: "vari\"able" |
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| 09:30.19 | harpal | OpenTokix: Ohhh. That also works |
| 09:30.30 | OpenTokix | harpal: yes, apperantly =) |
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| 09:30.46 | OpenTokix | export TESTEST="vari\"ab'le" && echo $TESTEST |
| 09:30.47 | OpenTokix | =) |
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| 09:42.41 | Knight_Lord | Are new messages always appended to the mbox mail file? |
| 09:43.17 | petemc | mbox by definition is one file |
| 09:43.42 | petemc | you can have mulitple mboxes representing different 'folders' tho |
| 09:44.03 | Knight_Lord | yes, but when a new message arrives does it go to the bottom of the file? |
| 09:44.34 | petemc | easy way to find out... |
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| 09:52.14 | RADIO_TIME | While you are on chat LISTEN RADIO TIME http://radiotime.altervista.org/ Beautyful Music Free! We are waiting for You! |
| 09:52.15 | RADIO_TIME | While you are on chat LISTEN RADIO TIME http://radiotime.altervista.org/ Beautyful Music Free! We are waiting for You! |
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| 09:54.37 | mmu_man | Music Free or Free Music ? |
| 09:54.39 | mmu_man | that is the question |
| 09:54.44 | kjs | ⬠|
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| 09:55.32 | mmu_man | seems he flooded another channel at least, #openmoko |
| 09:55.45 | petemc | film at 11 |
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| 09:55.58 | joneal | hi |
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| 09:56.38 | mmu_man | of course only big channels... |
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| 10:02.06 | Sysctl___ | im trying to get my etch box to mount webdav with davfs2, but mount -a doesnt mount it |
| 10:02.26 | Sysctl___ | http://www.testrumpus.com/ /mnt/webdav davfs rw,users,noauto 0 0 |
| 10:02.30 | Sysctl___ | mounting manual works tho |
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| 10:07.40 | perfector | which packages should i install in order to get all tools to recompile the kernel? |
| 10:08.20 | perfector | !build-essentials |
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| 10:09.34 | cydork | !kernel-package |
| 10:09.34 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
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| 10:10.39 | perfector | !kpmantra |
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| 10:10.59 | perfector | thanks cydork |
| 10:11.10 | perfector | !kp mantra |
| 10:11.10 | dpkg | from memory, kp mantra is make-kpkg clean ; export VER=$(date +'%Y%m%d') NAMEEXT="-$(hostname)-$(dpkg-architecture -qDEB_HOST_ARCH)"; make-kpkg --revision=$VER --append-to-version=$NAMEEXT --rootcmd fakeroot kernel_image modules_image . Add --initrd before kernel_image if you need an initrd. |
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| 10:11.31 | cydork | !tell perfector -about msg the bot |
| 10:11.58 | moshii | Is it possible to reduce the font size (X11) for everything? |
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| 10:15.17 | wols_ | moshii: if you play with DPI settings |
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| 10:16.12 | moshii | wols_: higher should result in smaller fonts? |
| 10:16.43 | wols_ | I think so... |
| 10:16.47 | PiousMinion | I have a hard drive that falls asleep after a long while and never wakes back up. I have to reboot to access it again. Is there way to prevent it from falling asleep or manually waking it up? |
| 10:16.53 | wols_ | just try it :) |
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| 10:18.56 | PiousMinion | sucks having to reboot my server every day because people can't access anything. |
| 10:19.45 | petemc | PiousMinion: how do you ascertain its 'asleep' ? |
| 10:19.50 | kmeyer | PiousMinion: I think it's a horrible hack, but keep-alive cron job? |
| 10:19.52 | moshii | xrandr is handy :).. fonts seem to render smaller at 75dpi |
| 10:19.57 | moshii | than 100dpi |
| 10:20.36 | PiousMinion | petemc: I assume sleep as it no longer responds after long periods of inactivity. |
| 10:21.09 | PiousMinion | kmeyer: horrible indeed, but only solution I'm aware of ... so far. |
| 10:21.19 | petemc | PiousMinion: anything in dmesg or syslog or messages? |
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| 10:22.12 | PiousMinion | petemc: a LOT in dmesg. Let me pastebin it. |
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| 10:24.29 | MikeSeth | I need to build a package with some configure options tweaked, what's the correct procedure? edit debian/rules and build? |
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| 10:25.39 | PiousMinion | petemc: --> http://www.pastebin.ca/1169499 |
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| 10:27.11 | PiousMinion | nothing about sleep, it just disappears. |
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| 10:27.38 | wols_ | PiousMinion: anything like acpi or apm running or enabled in BIOS? |
| 10:27.59 | wols_ | what hdd is it? usb? hdparm can disable the hdd sleep function btw |
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| 10:28.25 | PiousMinion | It's a WD 640g SATA-I |
| 10:28.35 | xlotlu | is there some sort of a 'premade' debian installation? something like the result of a debootstrap that i could untar / cp / dd.. |
| 10:28.41 | PiousMinion | SATA-II drive on SATA-I controller. |
| 10:29.07 | wols_ | xlotlu: not really |
| 10:29.31 | wols_ | especially since various things like fstab, grub settings and the like are always machine specific |
| 10:29.50 | xlotlu | wols_: too bad. i'm getting tired of debootstrapping :) |
| 10:29.55 | wols_ | debian isn't as bad a windows (same kernel works everywhere) but a bit customized per machine is necessary |
| 10:30.04 | wols_ | why do you do it so often then? |
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| 10:30.18 | wols_ | always the same machine? if so, make a dd image or something... |
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| 10:30.34 | wols_ | that you can dd over the hdd any time if it's the same machine |
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| 10:30.52 | maligor | you can copy a debian installation just fine |
| 10:30.58 | maligor | with tar even |
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| 10:31.21 | xlotlu | you can always run the configure scripts after the copying.. |
| 10:31.22 | wols_ | maligor: copying the grub part with tar might be tricky, no? |
| 10:31.28 | maligor | you just need to setup kernel and bootloader, yes |
| 10:31.40 | MikeSeth | nvm figured it out :> |
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| 10:32.04 | maligor | wols_, that's easy to reinstate |
| 10:32.27 | maligor | mm.. you'll have to check your fstab tho |
| 10:32.28 | wols_ | maligor: if you use dd or g4u or whatever it is no issue |
| 10:33.10 | xlotlu | wols_: i keep telling myself there won't be any need to do another chroot too soon.. :) and i usually don't -- 'tired' means this is the 3rd time this month, and keeping a clean tar of the last "vanilla" chroot would've been handy |
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| 10:33.27 | maligor | depends on the definition of issue.. it's no issue for me to reinstall grub :P |
| 10:33.32 | maligor | have had to do that a few times anyway |
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| 10:42.45 | PiousMinion | Does hdparm have any kind of gui? |
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| 10:43.54 | wols_ | PiousMinion: no |
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| 10:45.14 | PiousMinion | Well the only usefull option I see is -B, but it fails. |
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| 10:49.04 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:50.55 | PiousMinion | sweet. Will it keep this setting after a reboot? |
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| 10:59.03 | Sia0-0 | how can use the directoty name in terminal, My%File? |
| 10:59.15 | Sia0-0 | the directory is My File |
| 10:59.15 | Pollero | what |
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| 10:59.28 | Pollero | cd "MY File" ? |
| 10:59.46 | idimmu | or My\ File |
| 10:59.54 | defrysk | cd My\ File/ |
| 11:00.10 | Sia0-0 | aha thanx |
| 11:00.20 | defrysk | use tab for autocomplete |
| 11:01.46 | PiousMinion | auto-complete is this shiznit. |
| 11:01.50 | Sia0-0 | worked fine |
| 11:01.50 | PiousMinion | the* |
| 11:02.34 | Zharf | what's shiznit |
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| 11:03.30 | defrysk | slang for nice |
| 11:03.32 | PiousMinion | slang for "the shit". as in "the best" |
| 11:03.40 | PiousMinion | that too |
| 11:04.20 | Zharf | how on earth does one get from "shit" to "best" |
| 11:04.31 | Zharf | americans are weird |
| 11:04.40 | defrysk | shit is slang for best |
| 11:05.11 | Zharf | no |
| 11:05.14 | Zharf | shit is shit and best is best |
| 11:05.19 | Zharf | there's a huge gap between them |
| 11:05.36 | kringalf | and how about "that is some good shit"? :) |
| 11:05.52 | Zharf | as I said, americans.. |
| 11:06.24 | defrysk | my shit is the shit |
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| 11:07.09 | wols_ | PiousMinion: there are settings for that too. even if not: a simple rc.local call remedies it |
| 11:07.11 | PiousMinion | Yeah, americans perfect everything. I know. :) |
| 11:07.45 | wols_ | *cough* |
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| 11:15.19 | Sia0-0 | how to stop all runing aplication like video player Totem? |
| 11:15.55 | petemc | kill their pid |
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| 11:17.15 | maligor | or be reckless with: pkill totem |
| 11:17.39 | Sia0-0 | that worked |
| 11:17.41 | Sia0-0 | :) |
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| 11:58.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:58.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qotd127 is < runedude> I dont hire any admins. My dad sets up router settings. He has a degree in computers. now shush. Lol. It's not changing, and thats that. |
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| 12:00.44 | hyppias | hi Anyone used bootchart.org lately ? site does nog respond (to me, anyway)... |
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| 12:02.56 | Pollero | hyppias: its working.. |
| 12:03.55 | moshii | wonders what a degree in compooters is good for |
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| 12:05.29 | hyppias | Pollero: did you try to upload a bootchart.tgz for analysis ? |
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| 12:05.49 | Pollero | hyppias: upload? |
| 12:05.58 | hyppias | upload |
| 12:06.02 | Pollero | no |
| 12:06.20 | hyppias | see: hi Anyone used bootchart.org lately ? site does nog respond (to me, anyway)... |
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| 12:06.53 | hyppias | see:http://www.bootchart.org/download.html |
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| 12:07.01 | hyppias | oops.. |
| 12:07.26 | Pollero | hyppias: well not working. Download it from SVN? |
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| 12:07.34 | Pollero | forget it |
| 12:07.36 | Pollero | :) |
| 12:07.36 | Gillpy_ | How can I limit the data transfer rate through individual ip sockets, or even unix sockets ? |
| 12:07.47 | hyppias | Yeah. was hoping i did not need to do that... have it done by server |
| 12:07.58 | moshii | Gillpy_: iptables |
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| 12:08.30 | dummies | hi. ! |
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| 12:09.17 | moshii | Gillpy_: actually, I don't think iptables works at the socket level.. do you want to throttle an application? |
| 12:09.41 | dummies | i need know how to use the parameter MAXSIZE in usbserial module in kernel 2.6.24 |
| 12:10.13 | dummies | i need conect one modem 3g |
| 12:10.16 | Pollero | dummies: modprobe module parameters |
| 12:10.27 | moshii | dummies: have you looked at the kernel documentation? modinfo? |
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| 12:10.49 | dummies | ok. |
| 12:10.56 | Gillpy_ | moshii: yeah |
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| 12:11.07 | Gillpy_ | moshii: but not throttle it at the application level |
| 12:11.14 | moshii | dummies: if it's a 3g modem,.. it shouldn't be "serial" |
| 12:12.04 | dummies | modprobe usbserial vendor=0xdcfe product=0xd0fe |
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| 12:12.24 | micols | ffmpeg -i Bellona_1\ 088.mov -b 12000 -f flv -y -acodec libmp3lame -ar 44100 -ab 192000 tst.flv i am trying to convert a mov file to flv but the sound gets very noise, what can be wrong, i got latest svn from lame and ffmpeg? |
| 12:12.25 | dummies | ttyUSB0 |
| 12:12.44 | micols | the original sound is 8000hz mono, but lame only supports as low as 11khz |
| 12:12.58 | dummies | then wvdial and conect , but not can connect |
| 12:13.00 | micols | i tried copy codec, but that isnt supported for flv |
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| 12:13.26 | moshii | dummies: but a 3g modem isn't like a standard PSTN modem |
| 12:13.50 | pbn | Hello I'm having problems with apt-cacher... In apt-cacher is there some way to remove all packages that came from a repository ? |
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| 12:15.10 | moshii | Gillpy_: there is a wrapper you can run around apps to enforce traffic limits, but I can't remember what it is :/ |
| 12:15.11 | ghosTM55 | hi all , anybody here have the linux driver for Techwell TW6800 |
| 12:15.26 | moshii | ghosTM55: have you googled for it? |
| 12:15.45 | ghosTM55 | moshii: yes , but i didn't find i |
| 12:15.46 | moshii | ghosTM55: if such as thing exists it'll be indexed on google. |
| 12:16.20 | moshii | ghosTM55: did you paste the output from dmesg into google or just the brandname/model |
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| 12:16.53 | ghosTM55 | moshii: i find it for my friend , so i don't know the details about it :) |
| 12:17.37 | moshii | ghosTM55: well, he needs to plug it in and see what the device really is via dmesg.. |
| 12:17.56 | ghosTM55 | moshii: thx for ur advice |
| 12:18.23 | dummies | moshii look this page please http://foros.ubuntu-cl.org/viewtopic.php?p=32940 |
| 12:18.42 | moshii | ghosTM55: googling the card, it's pci.. so tell him to do "lspci" and paste the bits that relate to the card into google |
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| 12:19.23 | ghosTM55 | moshii: i see , thx |
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| 12:22.33 | dummies | moshii http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/ |
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| 12:23.55 | Knight_Lord | I have a python script that is important for the system (queue scheduler) but it's taking all of the CPU. Is there any way to optimize it? Can I precompile it or something? |
| 12:23.57 | moshii | dummies: yeah, that appears to be one of those devices that has the drivers built into it |
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| 12:24.48 | moshii | Knight_Lord: it will use as much time as it can get/requires.. you should change it's priority if you have more pressing stuff to run |
| 12:24.50 | dummies | but not work in debina lenny |
| 12:25.44 | Knight_Lord | moshii that's an option but is there some kind of python optimizer? |
| 12:26.00 | moshii | Knight_Lord: not write shit code? |
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| 12:26.08 | moshii | Knight_Lord: re-write in c? |
| 12:26.39 | Knight_Lord | moshii the problem is that the program has to run every 5 minutes to give feedback to the users, but now sometimes 5 minutes is not enough for it to finish |
| 12:26.40 | moshii | Knight_Lord: I think you can compile python, but I think it does that on-the-fly anyhow. |
| 12:27.03 | dummies | moshii sbin/modprobe usbserial vendor=0x0fce product=0xd0cf maxSize=4096 |
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| 12:27.35 | Knight_Lord | moshii according to #python it doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 12:27.44 | moshii | Knight_Lord: so wrap it in a script that checks if it's still running and only runs it again if the previous run has finished |
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| 12:28.41 | moshii | Knight_Lord: the only reason to compile it would be to distribute without source.. ;) |
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| 12:28.44 | Knight_Lord | moshii good idea. Thanks for the tips. |
| 12:28.50 | momo_ | hello |
| 12:29.29 | Knight_Lord | moshii the problem is that the scheduling algorithm this queuing system is using is probably not very good so now that there are about 1000 jobs in the queue it almost stop the server |
| 12:31.30 | momo_ | is there any command that can give information on the current running display manager ? This is for a bash script |
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| 12:32.20 | moshii | Knight_Lord: you could rewrite that part. I don't think there's much you can do without re-writing it than stick it on a faster box. |
| 12:32.34 | dusty_ | Hey guys, I am setting up a nameserver on my debian 4.0 server. I have an odd problem, named seems to think the zone files do not exists, yet they are there! http://rafb.net/p/MYH5pn59.html its really odd, what on earth can the problem be ? |
| 12:32.50 | moshii | dusty_: chrooting? |
| 12:32.59 | dusty_ | yes |
| 12:33.20 | moshii | dusty_: are the zone files in the path which becomes root? |
| 12:33.34 | dusty_ | yes: as per this article: http://www.howtoforge.com/perfect_setup_debian_etch_p4 |
| 12:34.05 | moshii | dusty_: can you paste your config? |
| 12:34.12 | dusty_ | yes |
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| 12:35.16 | dusty_ | moshii, the chroot environment is setup as per the article i pasted earlier, and this is my bind confi: http://rafb.net/p/3MBO8736.html |
| 12:35.40 | dummies | moshii some idea for connect this modem 3g in debian lenny |
| 12:35.51 | dummies | ? |
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| 12:36.31 | moshii | dusty_: if you look at the built-in zones like 127 etc, they have the full path to the zonefile |
| 12:36.45 | Pollero | yep. path to zonefiles iw wrong |
| 12:36.51 | Pollero | s/w/s |
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| 12:37.39 | dusty_ | i have tried the full pathj |
| 12:37.56 | moshii | dummies: my 3g modem uses an ACM device and just works.. :/ |
| 12:39.00 | moshii | dusty_: is there anything in your named.conf.local? |
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| 12:39.23 | dusty_ | sorry |
| 12:39.25 | dusty_ | that fixed it |
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| 12:39.32 | dusty_ | i referenced it like etc/bind/zone.info before |
| 12:39.34 | dusty_ | missed the / |
| 12:39.39 | dusty_ | thank you for pointing that out to me. |
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| 12:40.34 | dummies | moshii how do connect your modem 3g ? |
| 12:40.35 | mguezuraga | Hi, I've upgraded trac, which was previously located in /usr/share/trac/cgi-bin/trac.cgi (0.10.x) but now in 0.11.3 that file is missing and I can't find it. hints? |
| 12:41.00 | moshii | dummies: plug in the usb cable, ttyACM0 comes up, run a ppp script |
| 12:42.25 | dummies | gime please one how to |
| 12:43.04 | dummies | diferencies between ttyACM0 and ttyUSB0 |
| 12:43.08 | moshii | mguezuraga: dpkg -L trac | grep trac.cgi |
| 12:44.02 | mguezuraga | maectyx:/home/mguezuraga# dpkg -L trac | grep trac.cgi -> |
| 12:44.02 | mguezuraga | /usr/share/pyshared/trac/admin/templates/deploy_trac.cgi |
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| 12:44.30 | pingouin | when exactly what i type on keyboard appears in the ~/.bash_history ? |
| 12:44.41 | mguezuraga | it's a template...I'm reading a bit in trac docs and it seems a trac 0.11 issue... |
| 12:44.46 | petemc | pingouin: on logout |
| 12:44.48 | moshii | pingouin: logout |
| 12:44.56 | pingouin | hmm ok thanks |
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| 12:45.44 | pingouin | is there a way to make it written faster, without logout ? |
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| 12:48.07 | peppe | pingouin: history -a |
| 12:48.10 | capiira | hi all anyone know if nautilus 2.22 will join lenny ? |
| 12:49.07 | moshii | capiira: is it in unstable? |
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| 12:49.13 | capiira | exp |
| 12:49.25 | moshii | capiira: lenny is frozen IIRC.. |
| 12:49.32 | capiira | ah ok |
| 12:50.09 | capiira | i was thinking they keep packages complete |
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| 12:52.44 | jpinx | anyone got ideas how to view another persons webcam in yahoo messenger? I've been googling all day :( |
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| 12:55.27 | liable | you want to what? |
| 12:56.11 | jpinx | to view a friends webcam in yahoo messenger |
| 12:56.18 | Trewas | capiira: lenny will release with gnome 2.20, with some packages from 2.22 |
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| 12:56.50 | jpinx | I am currently using gaim and there is gaim-w but it is no longer supported:( |
| 12:57.03 | abrotman | thought it was gaim-vv |
| 12:57.06 | capiira | thx trewas |
| 12:57.07 | abrotman | not w |
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| 12:57.19 | abrotman | FWIW .. i believe it's mostly 2.22 |
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| 12:58.03 | capiira | why that mixed attitude ? |
| 12:58.07 | jpinx | abrotman: I stand corrected, but their website ends in 2005 |
| 12:58.12 | pingouin | peppe: thanks ;) |
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| 12:58.26 | Trewas | well, the most visible change between 2.20 and 2.22 is gvfs, and everything related to that is in experimental |
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| 12:58.39 | moshii | jpinx: gaim is called something else now.. pidgin or something |
| 12:58.50 | capiira | is it so bad ? |
| 12:59.07 | abrotman | mixed attitude? |
| 12:59.43 | hyppias | what displays faster as screen background : .png or .svg |
| 12:59.58 | capiira | yeah of mixing older version of gnome packages with newer versions |
| 13:00.20 | moshii | hyppias: would depend if whats rendering the bitmap caches stuff... |
| 13:00.42 | hyppias | no cache |
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| 13:01.30 | moshii | hyppias: well, an svg would have to be rendered out to a bitmap before it could be displayed. A png would need to be decompressed |
| 13:01.32 | abrotman | capiira: just didn't make it in .. they might be too buggy . if you really want to know ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 13:01.46 | capiira | ah ok |
| 13:01.48 | Trewas | capiira: gvfs misses some features and has more (or at least different) bugs than gnome-vfs, I guess that's the main reason |
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| 13:04.32 | zizzfizzix | hi! |
| 13:04.56 | zizzfizzix | i found http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html 8.1.1 "I forgot the root password!" (1) |
| 13:05.07 | zizzfizzix | but this solution isfor lilo |
| 13:05.13 | zizzfizzix | how can i do it with grub? |
| 13:05.15 | liable | !ifrp |
| 13:05.15 | dpkg | i guess ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
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| 13:06.49 | GuySoft | hi all, i have a package that has a script i want to add to the init.d sequence. how can i do that? |
| 13:07.05 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 13:07.19 | GuySoft | abrotman, thanks :) |
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| 13:07.51 | ufa | hello!!!!!! |
| 13:07.54 | ufa | I want to mount a fs with "mount -a" but not on boot |
| 13:07.57 | ufa | is it possible? |
| 13:08.04 | dusty_ | Hey guys I run debian 4.0 server I want to use iptables logging functionality, klogd needs to be running alongside syslog for this to happen, what is the correct procedure to start klogd on boot ? |
| 13:08.14 | cedric3 | hi i want to see the changelog of the package can i do that with dpkg or apt-get please thanks |
| 13:08.15 | moshii | ufa: noauto IIRC |
| 13:08.48 | ufa | but noauto will prevent the fs to be mounted on "mount -a" command |
| 13:09.02 | liable | cedric3: aptitude changelog package |
| 13:09.04 | jelly | dusty_: klogd is running by default. |
| 13:09.17 | ufa | i want to mount the fs only with mount -a, but not in boot |
| 13:09.18 | cedric3 | liable : thanks |
| 13:09.38 | dusty_ | jelly, ok, not on my install it is not. I have to manually start it.. |
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| 13:09.52 | moshii | ufa: hmm don't know then, mount -a is what the init scripts call.. so I don't think there is a way around that |
| 13:09.54 | ufa | it is various entries on fstab |
| 13:10.03 | ufa | well |
| 13:10.10 | cedric3 | liable : sorry the the package is not a debian package |
| 13:10.18 | ufa | maybe a script :) |
| 13:10.31 | dusty_ | jelly, check this out: http://rafb.net/p/aL7c6M96.html |
| 13:10.32 | liable | cedric3: which package? |
| 13:11.00 | cedric3 | when i try aptitude changelog package i have it's not an official package debian |
| 13:11.01 | moshii | ufa: umount it in rc.local? |
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| 13:11.21 | ufa | thx moshii |
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| 13:11.30 | liable | cedric3: um, aptitude changelog thepackageyouwanttoseethechangelogfor |
| 13:11.34 | cedric3 | package base meta-package |
| 13:11.57 | liable | which package? |
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| 13:12.36 | jelly | dusty_: that's unusual. ls -ld /etc/rc2.d/S??klogd |
| 13:12.50 | cedric3 | ii test-base 1.0 test base meta-package and i don't know the personn who is package |
| 13:13.20 | liable | cedric3: test-base isnt in debian |
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| 13:13.41 | dusty_ | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 2008-08-13 13:00 /etc/rc2.d/S10sysklogd -> ../init.d/sysklogd |
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| 13:14.02 | jelly | dusty_: I didn't ask for that. |
| 13:14.08 | liable | cedric3: what are you really trying to do? |
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| 13:14.16 | zizzfizzix | !ifrp |
| 13:14.16 | dpkg | hmm... ifrp is 1) press 'e' to edit the kernel setting in the grub command line (add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it) 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) 'reboot -d -f' (exec /sbin/init should work); For LILO (e.g. pre-sarge): 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting), steps 2-6 are the same; yaboot: 1) 'Linux init=/bin/sh' at yaboot prompt. |
| 13:15.06 | abrotman | !tell zizzfizzix about msg the bot |
| 13:15.14 | dusty_ | jelly, http://rafb.net/p/mlAn9D96.html |
| 13:15.27 | dusty_ | oh sorry |
| 13:16.09 | dusty_ | jelly, there is not one in there for klogd |
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| 13:16.39 | abrotman | zizzfizzix: and don't msg me |
| 13:16.48 | jelly | dusty_: and that's why it doesn't start at boot. An etch machine of mine has a S11klogd link there |
| 13:16.59 | jelly | dusty_: which debian release is this? |
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| 13:17.26 | dusty_ | 4.0 |
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| 13:18.19 | jelly | dusty_: eh, to cut it short, run "update-rc.d klogd defaults 11 89" |
| 13:18.20 | dusty_ | jelly, http://rafb.net/p/woh4UI60.html that is all i have |
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| 13:19.15 | dusty_ | jelly, thanks that seems to have worked, rebooting to test now. |
| 13:19.22 | dusty_ | can you explain that command, specifically the numbers? |
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| 13:19.40 | jelly | dusty_: that's what klogd package installation was supposed to do. (see /var/lib/dpkg/info/klogd.postinst) |
| 13:19.56 | moshii | dusty_: first set is start order, last set is stop order |
| 13:20.20 | dusty_ | yeah |
| 13:20.21 | dusty_ | thanks |
| 13:20.22 | jelly | dusty_: it just creates the sysvinit symlinks using those numbers |
| 13:20.25 | dusty_ | how come that neever did it |
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| 13:21.25 | jelly | dusty_: you'd need to investigate that, I guess. Try looking in the bug tracking system to see if someone else already reported it |
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| 13:22.01 | jelly | dusty_: dpkg -l klogd|tail -1 ? |
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| 13:22.07 | zxxd | does anyone know if it's possible to change the hardcoded messages in pam_unix like - You are required to change your password immediately (root enforced)" |
| 13:22.32 | idimmu | edit the source and recompile? |
| 13:22.38 | NeT_DeMoN | is there a way I can hide the grub or change the delay time because I have it partitioned with Windows Vista and my mom needs to use the Vista |
| 13:22.45 | jelly | dusty_: actually make that "dpkg -l libc6 klogd|tail -2" |
| 13:22.53 | zxxd | idimmu, next option |
| 13:22.55 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: does grub default to vista? |
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| 13:23.03 | idimmu | get a hexeditor out and edit the binary |
| 13:23.07 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: what exactly do you want? |
| 13:23.13 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman, what do you mean |
| 13:23.18 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: /boot/grub/menu.lst - timeout 0 |
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| 13:23.22 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, to atleast change the delay time on the grub |
| 13:23.26 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: i'm confused what using vista has to do with the bootloader? |
| 13:23.27 | zxxd | idimmu, that's nice |
| 13:23.32 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: yes, thats possible |
| 13:23.32 | idimmu | yup |
| 13:23.41 | zxxd | idimmu, but that isn't what i ment , maybe someone knew an option or switch |
| 13:23.54 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: but what exactly are you wanting? so your mom doesnt see debian or what? |
| 13:24.02 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, kind of |
| 13:24.03 | idimmu | maybe that functionality doesnt exist |
| 13:24.24 | NeT_DeMoN | and if not to just change the delay time to like 15 seconds |
| 13:24.28 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: you could set the timeout to 1 second i suppose |
| 13:24.41 | liable | moshii: 0 is silly |
| 13:24.46 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman, wouldn't that load Debian? |
| 13:24.54 | abrotman | not if vista is the default |
| 13:24.56 | moshii | liable: it still appears if you hold ctrl on boot |
| 13:25.31 | liable | moshii: didnt know that. fair enough |
| 13:25.32 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman, I don't think Vista is default if the first option is Debian is it? |
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| 13:25.45 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: you can change it |
| 13:26.01 | liable | or use savedefault |
| 13:26.02 | moshii | liable: at least, I think it does ;) |
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| 13:26.27 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, alright, how do I do that |
| 13:26.53 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: put the vista befor the debian stuff |
| 13:27.05 | NeT_DeMoN | 0.o |
| 13:27.10 | NeT_DeMoN | is new to this stuff |
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| 13:27.24 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, does that require fresh installs? |
| 13:27.38 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: no, just editing menu.list |
| 13:27.49 | cedric3 | liable : i want to update my debian sarge to etch but i see on the system i have a package non official debian personne who work on my officie modify the package |
| 13:28.02 | cedric3 | i want to see the patch on their packages |
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| 13:28.12 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: if you chose kde's windows style, your mom prolly wont notice she isnt using windows.. :) |
| 13:28.16 | stew | zxxd: well those strings are externalized and are located in /usr/share/locale/$CC/LC_MESSAGES/Linux-PAM.mo ; so you should probably be able to edit them there. however for the en country code, there likely would not be a translation |
| 13:28.26 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, alright, I'm new to Debian and practically new to Linux in general so how do I do that |
| 13:28.48 | liable | cedric3: why do you expect changelogs from non debian packages to be in the debian repo? |
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| 13:28.58 | dusty_ | jelly, ii klogd 1.4.1-18 Kernel Logging Daemon |
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| 13:29.10 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, my mom installs a bunch of retarded games and she doesn't want her files to come up missing |
| 13:29.13 | NeT_DeMoN | =\ |
| 13:29.17 | idimmu | cedric3: talk to the guy that built the package and get the package source and code source then man diff |
| 13:29.19 | dusty_ | ii klogd 1.4.1-18 Kernel Logging Daemon |
| 13:29.19 | dusty_ | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-13etch7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 13:30.13 | cedric3 | liable : thieire man not working on office now he go out i just want to see the changelog of this package to see if it write on this the modification and why |
| 13:30.17 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: look in /boot/grub/menu.list you need to put the vista bit above the debian stuff |
| 13:30.28 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, alright, thanks |
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| 13:30.34 | cedric3 | i think the changelog file is for that |
| 13:30.45 | liable | cedric3: you need to track whatever control system he uses then |
| 13:30.46 | stew | cedric3: the changelog is /usr/share/doc/$packagename/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 13:30.53 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, do I need to do that through the terminal? |
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| 13:31.15 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: no, just in any editor |
| 13:31.24 | cedric3 | stew : thanks |
| 13:31.25 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: but you need root priveladges |
| 13:31.37 | NeT_DeMoN | liable, alright, thanks |
| 13:31.55 | moshii | liable: if you use the hidden menu it only shows if esc is tapped on boot.. that's probably what he wants :) |
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| 13:32.46 | scintilla | byeee |
| 13:32.47 | liable | moshii: probably. but i guess he needs to set savedefault first? |
| 13:33.09 | abrotman | just tell mom that vista got upgraded :) |
| 13:33.11 | cedric3 | liable : stew : i have nothink on the changelog :( i think the man not write on the changelog their modification |
| 13:33.15 | moshii | liable: yeah, so that vista boots up by default.. |
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| 13:34.04 | tarzeau | !seen cockroach |
| 13:34.04 | dpkg | cockroach <~stefan@193.138.215.125> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 11h 21m 4s ago, saying: 'hrm, is there an easy way (i.e. some command) to find out the currently used x display driver? or do i have to parse the xorg log file?'. |
| 13:34.35 | zxxd | stew, really? but i also see it in the pam_unix source code |
| 13:34.38 | NeT_DeMoN | also another question, do any of you have Debian working on an Atheros wireless driver? |
| 13:34.45 | liable | yes |
| 13:34.54 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: madwifi or ath5k |
| 13:35.04 | NeT_DeMoN | I have no internet on my Debian partition |
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| 13:35.19 | NeT_DeMoN | moshii, which ways easiest? |
| 13:35.20 | abrotman | do you have a wired connection available? |
| 13:35.21 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: madwifi works with more chipsets but isn't 100% free software (tm) |
| 13:35.27 | zxxd | stew, maybe Linux-PAM.mo file is only available in unstable ? |
| 13:35.41 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: ath5k would be easiet as it's in the kernel ;) |
| 13:35.48 | abrotman | not in his kernel |
| 13:35.56 | liable | its in 25 up |
| 13:35.57 | stew | !find LC_MESSAGES/Linux-PAM.mo stable |
| 13:35.57 | abrotman | and it doesn't supprot very many devices |
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| 13:35.59 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman, yes I do |
| 13:36.06 | stew | zxxd: yes, of course it would also be in the source code |
| 13:36.07 | moshii | thinks everyone runs lenny |
| 13:36.12 | liable | 24 up actually |
| 13:36.25 | zxxd | stew, i dont have this file Linux-PAM.mo |
| 13:36.34 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: it's not that hard if you can get the wired connection setup for a bit so we can get your wifi working |
| 13:36.52 | stew | zxxd: in which directory are you looking for this file? |
| 13:36.57 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman, alright thanks |
| 13:37.05 | liable | but it sucks in anything but 26 |
| 13:37.20 | NeT_DeMoN | be right back in like 2 minutes |
| 13:37.21 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: did you get X installed on Debian? |
| 13:37.35 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman, as in the desktop userface? |
| 13:37.45 | NeT_DeMoN | wait |
| 13:37.49 | NeT_DeMoN | thats gnome |
| 13:37.52 | abrotman | yes |
| 13:37.53 | NeT_DeMoN | feels retarded |
| 13:37.59 | zxxd | stew, the one you pasted |
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| 13:38.03 | NeT_DeMoN | X is like Windows explorer |
| 13:38.03 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: gnome runs on top of X :) |
| 13:38.04 | abrotman | just making sure .. so oyu'll have like xchat or gaim to get back here |
| 13:38.07 | NeT_DeMoN | oh |
| 13:38.11 | NeT_DeMoN | then yeah |
| 13:38.15 | NeT_DeMoN | alright |
| 13:38.15 | stew | zxxd: i was expecting you to substitude a country code for $CC, which did you look at? |
| 13:38.21 | NeT_DeMoN | be right back |
| 13:38.25 | zxxd | stew, en |
| 13:38.45 | stew | "however for the en country code, there likely would not be a translation" |
| 13:38.48 | abrotman | see .. we totally distracted him .. his mom will never see vista again!!! |
| 13:38.58 | stew | zxxd: since the strings are in the source in en there is no translation for en |
| 13:39.17 | zxxd | stew, how does it know when to do translation ? |
| 13:39.24 | moshii | abrotman: if he just put a browser in the .xsession for his mum she wouldn't care either |
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| 13:39.39 | zxxd | stew, how are these files read |
| 13:39.42 | stew | zxxd: by checing the LANG,LC_MESSAGES variables |
| 13:39.59 | stew | zxxd: http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/ |
| 13:40.05 | zxxd | ah gettext |
| 13:40.19 | stew | (i'm assuming, i haven't acctually looked at the source code) |
| 13:40.40 | stew | i dont know if this means you can provide an en 'translation' or not, but it seems like it might be worth a shot |
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| 13:44.40 | drako | which bot is dpkg ? |
| 13:44.52 | liable | infobot |
| 13:44.55 | riz_ | Is there a way to know which operations are executed by apt (or dpkg) to install a package? |
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| 13:45.34 | liable | riz_: the scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 13:47.46 | fluxdude | does anyone know any good tools for remotely checking all available ssl cipher suites that a web server allows? |
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| 13:48.38 | stew | fluxdude: HEAD https://foo.com |
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| 13:49.37 | riz_ | Thanks liable. I need to investigate, why my dovecot pkg doesn't restart automatically after update. It's not bug (I've checked on bugs.debian.org, but I can't see nothing related to this thing) So I would like to investigate and understand why this happend. |
| 13:50.10 | fluxdude | stew: mmm, I don't think so, I want to know all the ciphers that the server supports, not just the first one it offers me |
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| 13:50.35 | riz_ | liable the strange issue is if you do "/etc/init.d/dovecot {start,stop}" works perfectly |
| 13:50.57 | riz_ | in two machine I have the same problem.. |
| 13:51.16 | ajs | fluxdude, some variation on openssl s_client -connect www.halifax-online.co.uk:443 -state -debug |
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| 13:51.29 | magyar_ | hi, what is the website for "why is package X not in $release"? |
| 13:51.29 | liable | riz_: but whats the problem on upgrade? |
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| 13:53.12 | cokegen | hi, I'm running a command with cron but it launches an exim process each time is run. What I need to configure to prevent that ? |
| 13:53.18 | cahoot | bjorn.haxx.se/debian/ magyar_ |
| 13:53.52 | moshii | cokegen: it's probabyl using exim for sendmail type functionality.. |
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| 13:54.14 | riz_ | liable normally the upgrade stop the service, unpack the new files, and start the service again. In dovecot case, this doesn't happend. When the package is update and you do "ps aux |grep dovecot" you can see nothing and you have to restart it manually with /etc/init.d/dovecot start |
| 13:54.23 | cokegen | ok, but why each time cron runs something an exim process is launched ? |
| 13:54.45 | liable | riz_: file a bug |
| 13:55.01 | fluxdude | ajs: it doesn't seem like that has enumerated all available ciphers though |
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| 13:55.06 | moshii | cokegen: because it sends you a mail with the output of the commands it ran |
| 13:55.25 | riz_ | liable bug? Only on my system ? |
| 13:55.31 | ajs | fluxdude, uh yes you can see openssl has chosen one, so you might need a couple more flags to figure out how to dump that info |
| 13:55.35 | cokegen | yes, I know, what I'm trying to do is to disable that |
| 13:55.43 | moshii | cokegen: MAILTO="" stops that.. but probably isn't wise |
| 13:55.44 | cokegen | don't know where to look |
| 13:55.48 | liable | riz_: why not? |
| 13:56.05 | moshii | cokegen: that goes before the jobs btw |
| 13:56.13 | riz_ | liable that's very strage becuase this happend only to me.. |
| 13:56.21 | cokegen | let me see |
| 13:56.22 | stew | fluxdude: perhaps you'd have to script something looping through "openssl ciphers" and "s_client -cipher $cipher" to see which succeed? |
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| 13:56.49 | riz_ | liable I'm checking /var/lib/dpkg/info/dovecot-imapd.postinst |
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| 13:56.57 | tymonn | hey :) |
| 13:57.11 | moshii | cokegen: probably better to pipe stdout and stderr to /dev/null on the jobs you don't care about.. |
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| 13:57.29 | tymonn | i have network-manager and network-manager-gnome installed, wasnt i suppose to have the ICON on the TRAY with all the available networks? |
| 13:57.39 | riz_ | liable there are the instruction post-install. Now I can try to lunch it manually and check if works |
| 13:57.44 | cokegen | mmmm I can't on those jobsd |
| 13:57.55 | moshii | tymonn: do you get the icon at least? |
| 13:58.03 | magyar_ | cahoot, thank you |
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| 13:58.08 | NeT_DeMoN | for somereason Gaim won't let me connect to freenode |
| 13:58.10 | liable | riz_: just try and run the script. with bash -x |
| 13:58.18 | tymonn | moshii: no i dont :x it isnt there |
| 13:58.26 | NeT_DeMoN | anyways |
| 13:58.30 | moshii | cokegen: they run in a normal environment, so I don't see why not |
| 13:58.58 | tymonn | moshii: i double TAB the word 'net' and there is no network-manager there |
| 13:59.07 | moshii | tymonn: dpkg -L network-manager-gnome and scan through to find out what you need to run to make it come up |
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| 14:00.40 | cokegen | 20 6 * * 1-5 /home/grim/alarm >& /dev/null |
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| 14:01.00 | riz_ | liable works. It's a very simple script. |
| 14:01.04 | moshii | cokegen: what's the & meant to do there? |
| 14:01.08 | cokegen | moshii: you're right, the best is to pipe that to /dev/null |
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| 14:01.25 | cokegen | don't know :P |
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| 14:01.31 | moshii | cokegen: command > /dev/null 2>/dev/null |
| 14:01.31 | cokegen | I googled that |
| 14:01.39 | jelly | cokegen: what about the national holidays! |
| 14:01.42 | cokegen | thx man |
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| 14:02.51 | moshii | cokegen: you may want stderr to see when it fucks up, but there we go.. (hint err is 2 ;)) |
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| 14:03.29 | tymonn | moshii: what does that do? lists where network-manager-gnome is referenced? |
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| 14:03.45 | moshii | tymonn: lists the contents of the package |
| 14:03.52 | cokegen | I knew that, I just don't know how to redirect ... |
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| 14:06.42 | moshii | needs a bash pocket reference |
| 14:06.58 | cokegen | too |
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| 14:07.27 | cokegen | I hate bash |
| 14:07.42 | cokegen | if / fi ... |
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| 14:07.51 | cokegen | it's so counterintuitive |
| 14:08.07 | NeT_DeMoN | how do I get root without being in the terminal? |
| 14:08.25 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: su |
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| 14:08.37 | NeT_DeMoN | moshii: su? |
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| 14:09.22 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: open a terminal as yourself and su.. I presume you meant you were in X and needed a root terminal |
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| 14:09.50 | NeT_DeMoN | moshii: I just need to edit my menu.lst |
| 14:10.12 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: you have gnome? |
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| 14:10.16 | NeT_DeMoN | but it won't let me save changes because I'm not root |
| 14:10.20 | NeT_DeMoN | liable: yes |
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| 14:10.28 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: i think theres a menu itim for editor in su mode |
| 14:10.39 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: type su, hit enter |
| 14:10.55 | liable | moshii: he wants a gui editor i think |
| 14:11.07 | andr01d | Hello. Can anybody tell me if there're any problems installing Debian Etch on IBM x3550 server? |
| 14:11.08 | moshii | liable: oh, shame |
| 14:11.18 | moshii | !anyone |
| 14:11.18 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses 'some_program'. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use 'some_program'?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls>, or <search> |
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| 14:12.58 | NeT_DeMoN | liable: I don't see any |
| 14:13.16 | riz_ | liable there is some strange thing. Could you please check this? http://pastebin.com/m45783181 |
| 14:13.17 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: should be there somewhere. keep looking |
| 14:13.28 | NeT_DeMoN | liable: ok |
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| 14:14.09 | abrotman | did you guys get his wifi working? |
| 14:14.32 | liable | i dont think he asked |
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| 14:14.51 | cokegen | moshii: that worked fine |
| 14:15.05 | cokegen | just redirecting the output |
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| 14:15.26 | cokegen | no, shit ... there is again |
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| 14:15.53 | moshii | cokegen: other cron jobs will be doing stuff .. |
| 14:15.56 | ma3x | how do i google keywords starting with shock* ? |
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| 14:16.29 | abrotman | ma3x: are you serious?! |
| 14:16.36 | ma3x | yes |
| 14:16.41 | [TWR] | look up first aid |
| 14:16.45 | abrotman | ma3x: do we look like a channel for EVERY ONE of your questions? |
| 14:16.51 | [TWR] | hehe |
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| 14:16.59 | NeT_DeMoN | liable: is there a way I can just do this via terminal? |
| 14:17.12 | abrotman | ma3x: google has its own help .. try using it |
| 14:17.13 | ma3x | ok let's say i want to lookup for debian |
| 14:17.16 | ma3x | but i don't know the word |
| 14:17.17 | download123 | hi, i got a problem while i tried to update mysql (5.0 is not working on 2.4 kernel) now i want to install the old mysql version and don't know witch one to choos |
| 14:17.18 | ma3x | i know only debi |
| 14:17.18 | abrotman | ma3x: stop .. STOP |
| 14:17.21 | ma3x | so what i enter in google? |
| 14:17.23 | liable | NeT_DeMoN: yes, nano /boot/grub/menu.list |
| 14:17.30 | jaalto | How to turn off sound effect in konqueror? |
| 14:17.34 | [TWR] | ma3x: type help |
| 14:17.34 | abrotman | ma3x: your question has nothign to do with debian .. go away |
| 14:17.36 | NeT_DeMoN | liable: alright, thaks |
| 14:17.42 | jaalto | all sound effects |
| 14:17.47 | download123 | statically linked oder dynamically linked |
| 14:17.47 | epsilon | ma3x: #google |
| 14:17.56 | [TWR] | ma3x: just type 'help' |
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| 14:18.04 | liable | jaalto: thats done in kde control centre |
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| 14:18.32 | liable | riz_: i dont understand that postinst myself |
| 14:18.37 | jaalto | liable: I've looked it through, but I just can't spot it. Ay hints? |
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| 14:19.35 | NeT_DeMoN | alright now about wireless |
| 14:19.52 | jaalto | liable: I looked in Konqueror -> Settings -> Configure Konqueror |
| 14:19.59 | abrotman | !tell NeT_DeMoN about madwifi install |
| 14:20.02 | liable | jaalto: i said control centre |
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| 14:20.20 | jaalto | What's that? I run only gnome + konqueror |
| 14:20.34 | liable | yikes |
| 14:20.43 | liable | well, then i have no idea |
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| 14:21.54 | jaalto | Uhm kcontrol? No wonder it was hard to find |
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| 14:22.37 | liable | if you run kde stuff in gnome, then i guess its not imediately obvious |
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| 14:23.49 | jaalto | liable: Indeed. I only run konqueror because it's best file browser. |
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| 14:26.01 | cahoot | jaalto: you are wrong there - filerunner is |
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| 14:26.13 | ^shark_ | how do I see all the log messages when machine is booting on a machine running etch |
| 14:26.13 | liable | no! ls |
| 14:26.14 | raijin | i have a question |
| 14:26.26 | liable | i have answers |
| 14:26.27 | ^shark_ | ow do I see all the log messages when machine is booting |
| 14:26.30 | raijin | why are the damn packages in the repo if they arent going to build? |
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| 14:26.37 | nite613 | ^shark_: dmesg |
| 14:26.52 | petemc | ^shark_: you can enable bootlog in /etc/default/ |
| 14:26.55 | stew | raijin: can you be more specific? have you checked the bts? |
| 14:26.56 | abrotman | raijin: uh what? |
| 14:27.05 | raijin | ah nm |
| 14:27.11 | abrotman | raijin: package? version of debian? errors? |
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| 14:27.28 | cahoot | jaalto: konq hasn't sneaked artsd on you? |
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| 14:30.09 | jaalto | cahoot: What's artsd? |
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| 14:30.45 | liable | a really tiring sound daemon ? |
| 14:30.59 | gentlyninja | i use the linux kernel from debian etch, but with testing. i tried to use a newer kernel (2.6.24 and 25) but it freezes at start-up with the message "Begin: Waiting for root system". what can i do? |
| 14:31.06 | cahoot | jaalto: kde's intervening soundlayer - responsible for system sounds in kde IIRC |
| 14:31.16 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: 'apt-get install madwifi-tools module-assistant' doesn't work |
| 14:31.31 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: you need to have the contrib/non-free sources enabled |
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| 14:31.38 | NeT_DeMoN | ok |
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| 14:31.59 | abrotman | if you need help figuring that out, ask |
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| 14:32.06 | jaalto | gentlyninja: Are you running AMD? |
| 14:32.18 | SpeedyG | hi, is it possible to have the networkconfig set to dhcp, but that it takes a static ip when no dhcp-offer is made? |
| 14:32.36 | liable | nope |
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| 14:32.44 | cahoot | ifplugd? |
| 14:33.21 | tech13 | What is a network file system that works well in a Linux only network that has better security then nfs? |
| 14:33.24 | gentlyninja | yes jaalto |
| 14:33.38 | abrotman | SpeedyG: with a script maybe |
| 14:33.54 | liable | tech13: sshfs ? |
| 14:34.01 | SpeedyG | hm.. sounds like too much hassle |
| 14:34.03 | abrotman | shfs ? |
| 14:34.20 | abrotman | SpeedyG: there used to be a package that would try to figure out which network you were on and use the config based on that |
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| 14:34.36 | abrotman | no idea if network-manager does something similar |
| 14:34.37 | kstt | hello |
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| 14:34.45 | DexterF | hi |
| 14:34.47 | jaalto | gentlyninja: Familiar problem. Try adding to boot parameters: iommu=soft swiotlb=256M |
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| 14:35.15 | DexterF | got me an AMD 5600+, proc/cpuinfo doesn't say a thing on sse3 tho the chip is supposed to support it. how else can I check? |
| 14:35.18 | jaalto | gentlyninja: Lower the Megabytes for your system |
| 14:35.38 | DexterF | and: is there something like multi-top, i.e. top that displays cpu load info per core? |
| 14:35.42 | gentlyninja | can i use only 256 mb then? |
| 14:35.45 | gentlyninja | or just for startup? |
| 14:35.50 | liable | htop |
| 14:35.55 | cahoot | DexterF: top does |
| 14:36.06 | jelly | DexterF: press I in top. |
| 14:36.15 | alban_ | yes top press 1 |
| 14:36.21 | jaalto | gentlyninja: Many use 64M without problems, but for me I need very big value |
| 14:36.22 | jelly | (capital I) |
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| 14:36.40 | DexterF | ahh |
| 14:36.43 | DexterF | thanks |
| 14:37.05 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: it stillsays it can't find it |
| 14:37.15 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: paste your sources.list in a pastebin |
| 14:37.17 | abrotman | !paste |
| 14:37.17 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 14:38.02 | moshii | DexterF: if ssse3 isn't in the flags section fo cpuinfo, you don't have sse3 |
| 14:38.03 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: where do I find that at |
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| 14:38.33 | kstt | I'm about to launch an hosting service on a debian box. Each customer will have access to its own instance of a bug tracker, run by ruby. I would like to read some common good practices on how to isolate data in this case, for example by starting each instance with its own user (with limited permissions), or chrooting etc. Could anyone point me to a right direction please ? |
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| 14:39.06 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 14:39.08 | psycodad_ | kstt: use linux-vservers ? |
| 14:39.08 | moshii | jelly: that turns irx mode on and off here, 1 seperates the processors loads out |
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| 14:39.56 | jelly | moshii: yeah, I was wrong |
| 14:40.07 | jelly | but alban_ was right |
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| 14:40.38 | moshii | kstt: how much access do users need? |
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| 14:41.09 | kstt | psycodad_: I'm reading it, thx |
| 14:41.29 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/m3e50df7e |
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| 14:41.55 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: did you run aptitude update .. apt-cache search madwifi ? |
| 14:42.25 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: what do you mean 0.o |
| 14:42.33 | moshii | kstt: you'll have to manage all the contained environments as if they are seperate machines with vserver, i.e. apply secuirty updates to all of them, you might not want that ;) |
| 14:42.33 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: aptitude update |
| 14:42.49 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: where it says reload? |
| 14:42.50 | kstt | moshii: basically, the ruby process is started by apache, with user set to the owner of a key file (that's the way phusion passenger, aka mod_rails, works). This process must be able to read a couple of directory, and not anything else. |
| 14:43.00 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: also .. add non-free to the end of the security.debian.org line in your sources.ilst |
| 14:43.02 | abrotman | sources.list |
| 14:43.12 | NeT_DeMoN | altright |
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| 14:43.46 | moshii | kstt: start an apache process as the user in their $home |
| 14:43.47 | kstt | moshii, yes. psycodad : vservers looks a bit heavy, I'm looking for some elegant practices with simple posix permissions |
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| 14:43.53 | ezguy | is there a package for creating dos bootable cdrom image? |
| 14:44.17 | tonsofpcs | kinda |
| 14:44.23 | tonsofpcs | you make a bootable disk image and stick it on a cd |
| 14:44.27 | kstt | moshii: well, yes, I know basically how to do all that, but I'm alway facing some big annoyances now and there |
| 14:44.34 | kstt | so I'm looking for a good reading |
| 14:44.38 | tonsofpcs | ezguy: are you just looking for one? |
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| 14:45.08 | gentlyninja | i have my keyboard connected with usb, but cannot use it when grub start manager appears. can i solve it somehow? i wanna test the kernel-options jaalto gave me but cannot switch |
| 14:45.23 | kstt | gentlyninja: check your BIOS usb support |
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| 14:45.53 | gentlyninja | kstt, it is enabled |
| 14:45.56 | stew | DexterF: sse3 is called pni in cpuinfo |
| 14:45.57 | moshii | ezguy: syslinux's cd loader can load dos IIRC |
| 14:46.08 | tonsofpcs | gentlyninja: your bios may have an option 'enable usb emulation' or 'enable keyboard emulation' or the like, make sure its on, make sure the keyboard is plugged directly into the machine and not a hub on boot |
| 14:46.11 | moshii | stew: it's called sse3 here |
| 14:46.31 | stew | moshii: must be a recent change then |
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| 14:47.03 | moshii | it's actually called ssse3, an extra s.. |
| 14:47.07 | gentlyninja | i can use the keyboard to get into the bios. it just stops working just at the time when grub appears, before grub and after boot-up everything works |
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| 14:47.26 | tonsofpcs | gentlyninja: check the bios options |
| 14:47.29 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: still says the same thing |
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| 14:47.34 | stew | moshii: its called pni in stable |
| 14:47.34 | gentlyninja | ok |
| 14:47.36 | tonsofpcs | some bioses will enable usb emulation during the bios boot but then disable it if it is turned off |
| 14:47.37 | stew | moshii: and in 2.6.25-2 |
| 14:47.44 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: uname -a .. show us the output |
| 14:47.50 | moshii | stew: looks like there's two types of sse3, sse3 and supplemental sse3 |
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| 14:48.13 | moshii | stew: this atom machine has pni and ssse3 flags |
| 14:48.26 | stew | moshii: sse3 is called "pni" in /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:48.33 | gentlyninja | and another question: where to put the boot parameters in the menu.lst? in which line? "iommu=soft swiotlb=256M" |
| 14:48.34 | mordy | hello all again. i'm having problems with X again - apparently something is wrong with the intel driver: http://paste.debian.net/14686/ |
| 14:48.43 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: Linux ip6-lolocaust 2.6.18-6-486 #1 Sun Feb 10 22:06:33 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 14:48.48 | stew | "precott new instructions" |
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| 14:49.06 | moshii | stew: yup, ssse3 is the one after that. my mistake |
| 14:49.18 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: did you run `aptitude update` ? |
| 14:49.29 | mordy | only a reboot makes it start again, although it happens a few minutes after i enter my window manager |
| 14:49.59 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: yeah |
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| 14:50.47 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: and what does `apt-cache search madwifi` return ? |
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| 14:51.44 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: hostapd - user space IEEE 802.11 AP and IEEE 802.1X/WPA/WPA2/EAP Authenticator |
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| 14:52.13 | keith4 | mordy: pastebin the output of lspci |
| 14:52.25 | DexterF | stew: thanks |
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| 14:52.34 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: want me to pastebin my result of the command? |
| 14:52.51 | DexterF | hey... thsi means I can run OSX now in VMware... sweet... |
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| 14:53.09 | mordy | keith4: http://paste.debian.net/14687/ |
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| 14:53.15 | moshii | DexterF: you would think.. it doesn't run here :/ |
| 14:53.32 | DexterF | moshii: figured the reason? on what system? |
| 14:53.40 | moshii | DexterF: there again, osx86 has sse2 only kernels.. so having sse3 is moot |
| 14:54.17 | helo | how do i get grub to rescan my partitions and make new entries in menu.lst? i installed lenny on my second partition, with etch on the first, and would like to be able to select either from etch's grub install on hd0 |
| 14:54.20 | moshii | DexterF: 6400+ amd thing, 8 gig or ram.. never seen the actual box :) |
| 14:54.40 | mordy | i'm really a novice in these things, but it seems like a memory leak, perhaps? |
| 14:54.53 | infl00p | hi all, i am having a problem with fonts in a freshly install debian (Installed standard system, dist-upgrade to unstable and then installed gnome, xorg). No fonts are displaying on any app. Tried fc-cache -fv, defoma-reconfigure but still no fonts are displaying. only xterm has fonts. |
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| 14:55.15 | DexterF | moshii: well, osx technically runs on sse2, true, but certain apps in it req' sse3 |
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| 14:55.30 | keith4 | mordy: line 417 could be your problem |
| 14:56.06 | mordy | keith4 - i don't think so - it's always been there, and i have it on my other system |
| 14:56.36 | moshii | DexterF: anyhow, it pukes on a vmware server 2.0 vm here.. so having sse3 is only a minor point in getting it running |
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| 14:56.58 | DexterF | moshii: vmware server might be the point. afaik vmware workstation 6 is required |
| 14:57.31 | moshii | DexterF: The virtual hardware is all the same |
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| 14:58.01 | mordy | keith4 - lines 577-578 seem to be the problem - but i don't really know what to do about it |
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| 14:58.50 | DexterF | moshii: since you're using it - how does does vmware server differ from WS? |
| 14:58.52 | keith4 | mordy: right, and that might be what's causing lines 680 to .... the end |
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| 14:59.54 | mordy | keith4 - i'll post the log of my current system for comparison - it's also using an intel |
| 15:00.11 | keith4 | i suggest you start googling |
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| 15:00.26 | moshii | DexterF: it's basically the same thing, just the client isn't bolted on to the hypervisor. |
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| 15:00.39 | gentlyninja | jaalto, the options didnt work unfortunately |
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| 15:00.51 | moshii | DexterF: it's not like ESX here it consumes the whole machine |
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| 15:01.00 | moshii | DexterF: s/here/where |
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| 15:02.13 | mordy | hehe |
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| 15:03.32 | Crypticfortune | what's an "appropriate way" to poll say eth1 to find out if the media's attached or not? |
| 15:03.54 | moshii | Crypticfortune: there should be hotplug events.. |
| 15:04.19 | infl00p | Crypticfortune, ethtool |
| 15:04.42 | moshii | infl00p: poll instead of using the events provided? |
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| 15:04.52 | NeT_DeMoN | can someone tell me how to get athk5 or however it does? |
| 15:04.58 | NeT_DeMoN | goes^ |
| 15:05.24 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: ath5k is in kernel versions > 2.6.24 |
| 15:05.32 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: you probably need madwifi |
| 15:05.52 | NeT_DeMoN | moshii: madwifi doesn't seem to be working |
| 15:06.21 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: not working in what way? |
| 15:06.38 | Crypticfortune | moshii + infl00p: thanks both of you |
| 15:06.45 | NeT_DeMoN | moshii: the command the bot gave me wan't download the madwifi tools |
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| 15:07.16 | DexterF | moshii: but vmware server is free last I heard, right? |
| 15:07.25 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: do you have a wired connection? |
| 15:07.32 | NeT_DeMoN | moshii: yeah |
| 15:07.37 | moshii | DexterF: yes, ESX will be free soon too apparently |
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| 15:08.12 | DexterF | moshii: ws6 is 160 bucks. wonder what makes the difference. |
| 15:08.21 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: does aptitude update work? |
| 15:08.32 | NeT_DeMoN | moshii: yeah |
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| 15:09.04 | moshii | Crypticfortune: I'm just trying to find if there are media events coming out from somewhere, network manager must use them, you don't really want to be polling the interface all the time |
| 15:10.42 | Crypticfortune | moshii: well i'm not trying to poll events all the time, i'm just trying to diagnose a machine in a building far away, and trying to figure out if someone unplugged the second nic, or something more mysterious is broken. so far all signs are pointing to "nic unplugged" but i'd like to make sure by actually polling it if possible |
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| 15:11.54 | xci | was there a handy way to copy from ext3 to ntfs hard drive? |
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| 15:12.20 | moshii | Crypticfortune: of mii-tool or something then |
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| 15:12.34 | moshii | Crypticfortune: s/of/oh/ |
| 15:13.02 | petemc | xci: ntfs can be written to fairly reliably now |
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| 15:13.14 | petemc | xci: tho that may not be enabled by default |
| 15:13.44 | Crypticfortune | moshii: ooh excellent to command to know. thanks! |
| 15:14.13 | xci | and ffs, I forgot that I am on arch now, so this is even quite a wrong channel too :D |
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| 15:14.29 | moshii | Crypticfortune: a lot of nic drivers also spit stuff out into dmesg,.. so if you want to find out when the cable was pulled you could look there |
| 15:15.44 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: the madwifi stuff should be showing up |
| 15:16.44 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: it always says 'E: Couldn't find package madwifi-tools' |
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| 15:17.12 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: oh jesus .. you've got sarge installed? |
| 15:17.14 | mordy | gah, this error doesn't seem to be common at all:( |
| 15:17.26 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: I think |
| 15:17.27 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: the line that says "sarge" .. change "sarge" to etch" |
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| 15:17.39 | abrotman | !tell NeT_DeMoN about sarge->etch |
| 15:17.39 | NeT_DeMoN | is that the problem? |
| 15:17.42 | abrotman | yes! |
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| 15:18.13 | moshii | NeT_DeMoN: that version of debian won't have madwifi ;) |
| 15:18.28 | NeT_DeMoN | moshii: ohh |
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| 15:19.54 | mordy | looks like some kind of memory error, and i haven't found anything similar on google - quite a bit (although incomprehensible) about "Error in I830WaitLpRing(), timeout for 2 seconds" but not about the following output |
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| 15:20.30 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: how do I update it? |
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| 15:25.19 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: with an editor |
| 15:25.34 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: like gedit? |
| 15:25.44 | abrotman | i suppose |
| 15:25.57 | NeT_DeMoN | ok |
| 15:26.05 | NeT_DeMoN | sounds a bit confusing |
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| 15:26.14 | Quest_ | any replacement for "knemo" . it shows live network trafic chart/graph ... ? |
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| 15:28.32 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: is there a walkthrough I can follow? |
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| 15:29.24 | stew | NeT_DeMoN: for upgrading to etch? or a walkthrough for what exactly? |
| 15:29.57 | NeT_DeMoN | I was told I would have to do it through an editor |
| 15:30.08 | NeT_DeMoN | which just sounds complicating |
| 15:30.10 | Quest_ | any replacement for "knemo" . it shows "live" network trafic "gui" chart/graph ... ? |
| 15:30.13 | stew | NeT_DeMoN: do what? |
| 15:30.27 | NeT_DeMoN | I have sarge |
| 15:30.31 | NeT_DeMoN | or whatever |
| 15:30.49 | NeT_DeMoN | and I was told that needed to be updated |
| 15:31.04 | stew | NeT_DeMoN: if you are planning to upgrade to etch. one step (out of many) of that process would be editing sources.list, but it is not the first step and not the only step, there is a walkthrough in chapter 4 of release notes: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 15:31.41 | abrotman | stew: i gather it's a fresh install |
| 15:31.55 | stew | abrotman: that doesn't change anything, does it? |
| 15:32.05 | stew | abrotman: unless you mean that he should just reinstall with etch |
| 15:32.14 | abrotman | that'd be one suggestion |
| 15:32.27 | abrotman | i'd verify it's new |
| 15:32.33 | abrotman | but it seems like he installed from etch CDs |
| 15:32.37 | abrotman | and has sarge sources |
| 15:32.43 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.03 | abrotman | but i gave himt eh sarge-etch> in case he got anythign else installed from sarge |
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| 15:33.38 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: show us the last line of `dpkg -l libc6` |
| 15:33.49 | NeT_DeMoN | 0.o |
| 15:34.16 | NeT_DeMoN | I just switched over to my Windows partition to download a better version and burn it and do a fresh instal |
| 15:34.38 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:34.49 | NeT_DeMoN | yall said fresh install |
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| 15:35.06 | abrotman | no |
| 15:35.11 | NeT_DeMoN | oh |
| 15:35.27 | NeT_DeMoN | switches back |
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| 15:36.02 | Tapout | why does mini.iso not work when using a usb for installing? |
| 15:36.07 | Tapout | the netiso |
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| 15:37.58 | Tapout | i'll just grab the bigger iso, i know i ran into this problem like 8 months ago, figured it would have been fixed :( |
| 15:37.59 | stew | Tapout: /msg dpkg usb-install |
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| 15:39.42 | n3kl | What are the numbers called in /etc/rc?.d/S99* |
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| 15:39.46 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: http://pastebin.com/d19a6c8aa |
| 15:40.11 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: change your sources to etch ... you're already at least partially there .. |
| 15:40.46 | stew | NeT_DeMoN: you can ignore what I was saying, i was under the impression that you were running sarge |
| 15:41.03 | NeT_DeMoN | stew: ok |
| 15:41.05 | mindqaugas | Hello, can anyone help me and tell how can i make apt-get upgrades from internet not from cd-rom. which line or what should i do ? Thank you ;] |
| 15:41.21 | abrotman | mindqaugas: comment out the CD source in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 15:41.31 | stew | mindqaugas: /msg dpkg sources.list |
| 15:41.32 | Tapout | stew, ya it boots from it fine... just can't find any *.iso. I'm trying the business card one now... I don't wanna download the 650 MB one.. unless forced. I think I will have to.. last time I did |
| 15:41.52 | mindqaugas | ok thanx and whick is the best source ftp or http ? |
| 15:41.54 | mindqaugas | which* |
| 15:41.57 | stew | Tapout: you can use a netinst .iso |
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| 15:42.08 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: so change everything that says sarge to etch? |
| 15:42.14 | abrotman | mindqaugas: i'd use http |
| 15:42.16 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: yes |
| 15:42.21 | stew | Tapout: there is probably little use of the business card iso since it doesn't have any packages |
| 15:42.23 | Tapout | stew, i'm using the 'mini.iso' that is under amd64 .. netinstall.. doesn't find it |
| 15:42.37 | stew | Tapout: what do you mean by ".. netinstall.."? |
| 15:42.46 | Tapout | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/ |
| 15:42.47 | Tapout | that |
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| 15:42.59 | stew | Tapout: use a netinst image instaead of the 'mini.iso' |
| 15:42.59 | mindqaugas | abrotman and from where is the source can you tell me link ? |
| 15:43.08 | abrotman | /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 15:43.24 | Tapout | stew, isn't that the iso for net installing? |
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| 15:43.41 | stew | Tapout: no, it is an iso that can install a base system without requiring a network |
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| 15:43.46 | stew | Tapout: it is the smallest such iso |
| 15:44.05 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: alright now what |
| 15:44.13 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: aptitude update |
| 15:44.16 | stew | Tapout: so you could download the ~150MB netinst iso instead of downloading the 650mb CD1 to get a base-install |
| 15:44.16 | NeT_DeMoN | ok |
| 15:44.25 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: then do `aptitude dist-upgrade` .. and tell us if it's going to upgrade anything |
| 15:44.30 | abrotman | (udse a pastebin) |
| 15:44.39 | Tapout | netboot != netinst ? |
| 15:44.42 | stew | Tapout: correct |
| 15:45.13 | humbolt | I want to clone an LVM lv. I lvcreated the one I want to clone to and now would run "dd". Will I have to set the UUID of the new lv after dd? |
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| 15:46.35 | n3kl | doesn't lvm have a built in cloning mechanism? |
| 15:46.37 | Tapout | stew, ahh i see where I got confused. I clicked on the docs, and it took me to the parent directory, i figured netboot = netinst ;) |
| 15:46.38 | Tapout | found it |
| 15:46.38 | helo | if i already have etch installed, and im installing lenny on another partition, i don't need to install grub on the lenny install, right? |
| 15:47.01 | Tapout | thx stew |
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| 15:47.27 | stew | helo: right, you'd only need grub isntalled on one or the other |
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| 15:48.03 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: its going to upgrade 19 packages but not thinking I went ahead and said yes when it asked me if I wanted to continue |
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| 15:49.32 | helo | when i try to boot using the entry adapted from the etch entries, only with 'root (hd0,1)' and 'kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 root=/dev/sda2 ro', it says that file doesn't exist... |
| 15:49.57 | enry | is there a command similar to `systat ifstat` on openbsd for linux/debian? i want to see the current bandwidth being transferred in realtime a eth0 |
| 15:50.10 | enry | on eth0* |
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| 15:51.21 | helo | i can mount /dev/sda2 and verify that there is a /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 (as well as the initrd) |
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| 15:52.11 | stew | helo: "root" refers to the partition containing grub, not the partition containing / |
| 15:52.22 | stew | helo: i mean the root (hd0,1) part |
| 15:52.50 | stew | helo: root=/dev/sda2 for the / partition as a kernel argument is correct, "root (hd0,1)" is likely not correct |
| 15:52.53 | kolpur | how to resolve the problems with updates ? error while processing some package .. returned with error code (1) ? |
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| 15:53.52 | helo | stew: how will grub know what partition to find /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.24-1-686 on? |
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| 15:54.25 | helo | i thought hte root=/dev/sda2 was a kernel argument, and not used by grub |
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| 15:55.40 | bahram | i forget root debian password, can i recovery debian password of normal user? |
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| 15:56.29 | stew | helo: all the kernels from both installs would have to be in the same directory |
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| 15:56.38 | helo | bahram: you cannot recover the password even if you have the root password... although you can change it to something else |
| 15:56.42 | stew | bahram: /msg dpkg ifrp |
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| 15:57.32 | bahram | stew, Wow, tnx! |
| 15:57.35 | helo | stew: so i should share a /boot/ partition between the etch and lenny installs? or could they clobber each other? |
| 15:57.49 | NeT_DeMoN | 0.o |
| 15:57.52 | NeT_DeMoN | question |
| 15:58.03 | NeT_DeMoN | what does it mean when your laptop shuts itself off |
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| 15:58.18 | NeT_DeMoN | and the power light is orange and the thinking light blicks |
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| 15:58.21 | NeT_DeMoN | blinks^ |
| 15:58.37 | enry | hmm i have a constant stream of bandwidth coming into my server, but i have all ports basically blocked with iptables and logged, and i'm not seeing them in my iptables log, so where is all this bandwidth coming in going? |
| 15:58.49 | Heavy-D | hey guys, quick question. The command 'dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda' what does that do? Is that a method to zero a hard drive? |
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| 15:58.49 | helo | ify your power management settings are configured to have it do so, it may shut down when the battery gets to a certain level |
| 15:58.57 | n3kl | NeT_DeMoN: uh, standby? |
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| 15:59.19 | helo | Heavy-D: that will wipe out everything on the entire drive with zeroes |
| 15:59.30 | NeT_DeMoN | I unplugged the battery because it wouldn't do anything |
| 15:59.42 | disposable | i've got files around my filesystem tree that i need to be empty. how do i do that? so far i've come up with find -name 'file_to_make_empty' -print0 | xargs -0 echo '' something something |
| 15:59.49 | NeT_DeMoN | it wouldn't turn completely off |
| 15:59.52 | Heavy-D | helo: great, that's what i wanted to do. Thanks very much |
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| 16:00.03 | Texou | hi :) |
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| 16:00.40 | NeT_DeMoN | and the screen wouldn't come on |
| 16:01.11 | xci | does anyone know any good program for burning dvds? |
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| 16:02.07 | defrysk | xci, xci data ? |
| 16:02.12 | Texou | how can I configure my xorg completely since dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg only sets the keyboard? |
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| 16:03.32 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: alright I ran the command the bot told me but I still have no wifi |
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| 16:05.49 | Jonathan_R | who would i speak with about documentation for debian package management |
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| 16:07.28 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: did it at least install ? |
| 16:07.40 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: yeah |
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| 16:08.02 | abrotman | NeT_DeMoN: the 'easiest' way is to reboot .. and then see if it shows up |
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| 16:08.14 | NeT_DeMoN | alight |
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| 16:10.35 | NeT_DeMoN | nope |
| 16:10.35 | dirkson | Hey all. I need to jar/unjar a file (Why does firefox put its files in such a weird format?). What tool should I use to do that, and what package owns it? |
| 16:10.37 | NeT_DeMoN | :( |
| 16:10.54 | stew | dirkson: zip/unzip |
| 16:11.18 | NeT_DeMoN | abrotman: still no wifi |
| 16:11.33 | Jonathan_R | zip/unzip wont do much |
| 16:11.33 | NeT_DeMoN | do I have to bring ath0 up or something |
| 16:11.42 | Jonathan_R | jar is a java archive |
| 16:11.50 | stew | Jonathan_R: jar is a zip file |
| 16:12.02 | Jonathan_R | you use java for that |
| 16:12.05 | dirkson | .... It appears to have worked. |
| 16:12.07 | stew | or you use zip for that |
| 16:12.52 | dirkson | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:13.02 | Jonathan_R | who do i contact about debian package management |
| 16:13.17 | stew | Jonathan_R: about what specifically? |
| 16:13.28 | edwin_quijada | can I take the time/hour from a win2003k server for my debian serer> |
| 16:13.37 | edwin_quijada | no,ntpserver in windows |
| 16:13.41 | Jonathan_R | stew, i wish to write a book on debian package management |
| 16:13.48 | dirkson | Wonderful. And it's done the "BLARGH, I am too stupid to make a folder to extract to, so I'm just going to barf my contents all over whatever folder you happen to be in" trick. |
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| 16:14.14 | stew | Jonathan_R: read the apt-hotwo and the maint-guid: /msg dpkg apt-howto ; /msg dpkg mg |
| 16:14.30 | Jonathan_R | i have, but thats not entirely what i'm after |
| 16:14.35 | Jonathan_R | i want to go deeper |
| 16:14.37 | stew | Jonathan_R: what are you after? |
| 16:14.44 | stew | Jonathan_R: feel free to ask questions here |
| 16:14.50 | Jonathan_R | covering dpkg and dslect and aptitude and apt |
| 16:15.09 | Jonathan_R | dselect* |
| 16:15.16 | idimmu | read the man pages? |
| 16:15.21 | Jonathan_R | i have |
| 16:15.25 | stew | Jonathan_R: what specifically about those tools? |
| 16:15.29 | Jonathan_R | thats why i want to write a book |
| 16:15.51 | Jonathan_R | i'm not saying i dont understand |
| 16:15.53 | stew | dirkson: a jar is generally a zip that contains a META-INF/MANIFEST.MF |
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| 16:16.01 | Jonathan_R | i just want to write this to help others |
| 16:16.07 | dirkson | stew: Huh. |
| 16:16.12 | Jonathan_R | to enhance the current documentation |
| 16:16.15 | roe_ | like a history of? and you want to interview the various people how have helped shaped debian package management through the years? |
| 16:16.23 | stew | dirkson: the reason they don't call it a .zip is that .jar is more descriptive |
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| 16:16.39 | Jonathan_R | well roe_ thats part of it yes |
| 16:16.47 | stew | Jonathan_R: the best way to enhance the current documentation would be to send patches as wishlist bugs to the bts |
| 16:16.47 | Jonathan_R | but it'd be more than history |
| 16:16.50 | edwin_quijada | there is no way to take the time/hour for my debian from w2k server? |
| 16:16.55 | Jonathan_R | the philosophy and usage |
| 16:16.58 | dirkson | stew: In the way that "obfuscated" is more descriptive than "unclear", yes. |
| 16:17.00 | idimmu | have you read the debian package maintainers guide? |
| 16:17.15 | Jonathan_R | yep |
| 16:17.29 | idimmu | how about the source code? |
| 16:17.35 | harpal | hey can I mount a file system with -o option using fstab entry? |
| 16:17.35 | Jonathan_R | a bit |
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| 16:18.02 | Jonathan_R | i use source code to delve deeper |
| 16:18.02 | stew | harpal: the 4th column is the options column |
| 16:18.17 | Jonathan_R | but as i said, its not that i dont understand |
| 16:18.18 | idimmu | other than the fine grain workings of the dependancy handling |
| 16:18.25 | idimmu | im not really sure there is that much to know about apt-get install .. |
| 16:18.26 | stew | Jonathan_R: what is it you need to know? |
| 16:18.35 | Jonathan_R | i just want to enhance the documentation |
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| 16:18.51 | idimmu | read the changelogs and email the developers then |
| 16:18.52 | Jonathan_R | just how to colaborate on the doc |
| 16:19.17 | idimmu | you want to find people that have contributed rather than ask people that just use it |
| 16:19.18 | cahoot | Jonathan_R: you're aware of the book The Debian System by M Krafft? |
| 16:19.22 | Jonathan_R | i'll write it, i just want to know if i should colaborate with someone |
| 16:19.32 | Jonathan_R | and what to do when i'm done |
| 16:19.37 | stew | Jonathan_R: sure, send patches to, for instance, the apt-howto package to the bts |
| 16:19.37 | Jonathan_R | yep |
| 16:19.40 | Jonathan_R | read it |
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| 16:19.58 | Jonathan_R | chapter 2 and 6 deal with package management |
| 16:20.16 | idimmu | id suggest looking at the wikipedia entry for dpkg and contacting the 4 main names mentioned in the article |
| 16:20.26 | idimmu | as they are exactly what you are after |
| 16:20.28 | harpal | stew: how can i specify mount /dev/hda4 /var/tmp -o mand? Is it /dev/hda4 /var/tmp ext3 -o mand ??? |
| 16:20.28 | Jonathan_R | but i want to write a book specifically on package management |
| 16:20.46 | Jonathan_R | ok idimmu |
| 16:21.11 | stew | harpal: without the -o |
| 16:21.21 | harpal | stew: ok |
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| 16:22.30 | Jonathan_R | idimmu, i see 3 |
| 16:22.48 | Jonathan_R | ian, bruce, and list of debian project leaders |
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| 16:24.30 | idimmu | dpkg was originally created by Matt Welsh, Carl Streeter and Ian Murdock, first as a Perl program, and then later the main part was rewritten in C by Ian Jackson in 1993. |
| 16:24.31 | dpkg | You are moron #12, idimmu |
| 16:24.55 | idimmu | i cant think of anyone better to quiz about debian package management than the guys that developed the ideas and tools behind debians package management |
| 16:25.01 | stew | idimmu: seriously? |
| 16:25.18 | idimmu | srsly what? |
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| 16:25.31 | Jonathan_R | ok idimmu |
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| 16:25.51 | Jonathan_R | i'll go that route |
| 16:25.52 | Jonathan_R | ty\ |
| 16:25.54 | stew | idimmu: you think ian murdock might be a good guy to ask about debian package management? |
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| 16:26.12 | idimmu | no, id have a look at the recent commit history to the tools |
| 16:26.14 | idimmu | and go from there |
| 16:26.38 | kohwj | is 64mb ram enough for most apt-get tasks? |
| 16:26.44 | stew | kohwj: yes |
| 16:26.55 | Hoshizora | Hi, I was trying to setup my second audio device to be my default one, I have these devices: http://pastebin.com/d58a90436 , and I want the Live one to be used by default... I used that command "asoundconf list" wich gave me that http://pastebin.com/m233dd84a and than "asoundconf set-default-card Live" but now I don't have sound anymore and when I try to test with System>>Preferences>>Sound and I clic on "test" with nearly all |
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| 16:27.00 | kohwj | thanks, stew |
| 16:27.05 | stew | Jonathan_R: you are much more likely to get help if you just ask questions here |
| 16:27.13 | Jonathan_R | lol ok |
| 16:27.21 | Jonathan_R | i'll stay here to |
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| 16:27.30 | grzegorz129 | hi all! |
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| 16:27.33 | idimmu | stew how much do you think the people in here know that isnt covered by *any* documentation? |
| 16:27.36 | stew | Jonathan_R: most of the people you are talking about emailing aren't going to be bothered by you asking, or have had nothing to do with debian package management anytime recently |
| 16:27.37 | Jonathan_R | it'll take me a while though |
| 16:27.40 | idimmu | even collectively |
| 16:27.40 | grzegorz129 | fast question - how to set ststic dns? |
| 16:28.16 | Jonathan_R | i'm finishing up the book on smart package manager |
| 16:28.33 | idimmu | grzegorz129: entry in /etc/hosts ? |
| 16:28.57 | grzegorz129 | idimmu: hmm i enter: nameserver 208.67.222.222 but it not working ;/ |
| 16:29.01 | grzegorz129 | ping google.pl |
| 16:29.05 | grzegorz129 | unkown host google.pl |
| 16:29.21 | stew | idimmu: you are suggesting he contact people whom either have nothing to do with debian at all anymore, or aren't going to be bothered by the kinds of questions he is asking |
| 16:30.27 | stew | grzegorz129: what do you mean by "static dns"? |
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| 16:31.00 | idimmu | all we know about the questions is they cant be answered by any documentation |
| 16:31.21 | stew | grzegorz129: where did you put "nameserver 208.67.222.222"? |
| 16:31.41 | grzegorz129 | stew: u use internet sharing by win2k3 but this sh** cant share dns by dhcp |
| 16:31.41 | idimmu | and im suggesting the most recent active developers, if they're the sort that dont want to talk to people that use their software then bully for them |
| 16:31.50 | grzegorz129 | stew: in /etc/host |
| 16:32.07 | Jonathan_R | bully for them idimmu ? |
| 16:32.13 | hoxu | grzegorz129, doesn't go there, resolv.conf is for nameservers |
| 16:32.16 | idimmu | 'good for them' |
| 16:32.24 | hoxu | grzegorz129, and that's created by dhclient |
| 16:32.33 | idimmu | putting out a product and hating your audience |
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| 16:33.01 | stew | idimmu: you are also suggesting people that haven't been involved in debian at all in many many years |
| 16:33.12 | grzegorz129 | hoxu: but windows provide by dhcp dns like 0.0.0.0 ;/ |
| 16:33.24 | grzegorz129 | i try to enter in resolv my dns |
| 16:33.27 | hoxu | grzegorz129, what? |
| 16:33.31 | n3kl | Anyone know why nessus is reporting that my public ip has more ports open than nmap is? |
| 16:33.38 | grzegorz129 | hoxu: ? |
| 16:33.56 | Jonathan_R | ah ok idimmu |
| 16:33.56 | idimmu | stew, about 80% of my suggestions have been for the more recent developers, 1 line i pasted had ians name in it and you wont let go .. |
| 16:34.02 | hoxu | grzegorz129, rewind back to square one - what kind of network setup do you have, and what's the problem? |
| 16:34.08 | hoxu | grzegorz129, DHCP or static IP? |
| 16:34.21 | daemon_midi | n3kl: depends what type of scan you did on nmap |
| 16:34.31 | grzegorz129 | my problem is dhcp, ip is provide correctly but dns not |
| 16:34.47 | n3kl | daemon_midi: what would be a more complete scan I could do with nmap? |
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| 16:35.03 | harpal | stew: Thanks its working. |
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| 16:36.18 | hoxu | grzegorz129, what's in your /etc/resolv.conf after dhclient has properly assigned the IP? |
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| 16:36.48 | grzegorz129 | hoxu: search localdomain and nameserver 0.0.0.0 :) |
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| 16:37.03 | grzegorz129 | i enter my dns and network now working excelent |
| 16:37.08 | hoxu | grzegorz129, uh... that's what you get from the DHCP server? That's screwed up |
| 16:37.09 | grzegorz129 | btw how to set second dns ? |
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| 16:37.22 | daemon_midi | n3kl: "complete" depends on what you want to know. however, tcp_scans are, as far as I know, not fully covered by nmap |
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| 16:38.00 | stew | grzegorz129: put a second "nameserver" line in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 16:38.10 | grzegorz129 | like this: |
| 16:38.14 | grzegorz129 | nameserver 208...... |
| 16:38.16 | hoxu | stew, that'll get overwritten by dhclient next time |
| 16:38.19 | grzegorz129 | nameserver 67.... |
| 16:38.21 | grzegorz129 | ? |
| 16:38.43 | hoxu | grzegorz129, you can override the DHCP dns info by adding "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" to /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf where 127.0.0.1 is the actual NS IP |
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| 16:39.27 | hoxu | grzegorz129, why on earth are you getting 0.0.0.0 from the DHCP server though? |
| 16:40.13 | bmh | how can i stop anachron from sending daily emails to my local account? |
| 16:40.28 | grzegorz129 | hoxu: heh windows is crazy :D |
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| 16:41.47 | Warp4 | hi all, is anyone successfully using the samba package successfully in debian? |
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| 16:42.00 | stew | Warp4: many people, just ask your real question |
| 16:42.01 | Warp4 | sorta having a problem with permissions not being honored like they should be |
| 16:42.04 | dusty_ | Hey guys I am trying to make a firewall like so: Default deny all unless i specifically allow it. I allow ssh and DNS (as its a nameserver). Everything else gets dropped, how can i log the 'everything else' that gets dropped.. ? my ruleset so far is: http://rafb.net/p/AhSDIF36.html i know i use -j LOG but do i do it on the policy lines or how would i achieve this ? |
| 16:42.38 | Warp4 | i have people in certain groups that are able to access folder that belong to other groups when they should not be |
| 16:42.57 | stew | Warp4: can you give us a concrete example? |
| 16:44.16 | Warp4 | stew, for example, i have folders that belong to members in our hr group and folders that belong to our tech group. members of the hr group are able to read and write to the folders in the tech group and vice versa even though the group ownerships are set correctly. |
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| 16:44.32 | Warp4 | i only want members of the hr group to access only hr folders and nothing else |
| 16:45.57 | stew | Warp4: can you show us the output of "ls -ld /path/to/directory" for some directory which is writable by the hr group that you don't should be? |
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| 16:47.17 | Warp4 | drwxrwx--- 5 root systems 4096 2008-08-06 16:12 /data/Systems |
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| 16:47.44 | n3kl | daemon_midi: thanks. The new version of nessus must be resolving hostnames from the nessus server. I was trying to scan the external, but I am assumiung the that because the server is on the internal it is using the internal address no matter the palcement of the client. Thanks anyway |
| 16:47.45 | stew | Warp4: the hr group is able to create new files in that directory? or edit existing files? or both? |
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| 16:47.57 | Warp4 | well that shouldnt be writeable by members in the hr group. but is it. and both. |
| 16:48.08 | Warp4 | i dont want them to be able to access the directory period. |
| 16:48.35 | stew | Warp4: when they create a new file, what is the uid/gid of the new file? |
| 16:48.56 | stew | Warp4: and can you show us the relevant entry from smb.conf? use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 16:49.18 | daemon_midi | n3kl: One thing I came across a few days ago: The interpretation of answers by nessus and by nmap are different. so you may consider false-positives by nessus/nmap.... |
| 16:49.43 | Warp4 | yeah, already know how to use pastebin :) |
| 16:50.11 | n3kl | daemon_midi: sure sure. I got scared when nessus reported that mysql was open to the world =| |
| 16:50.50 | Warp4 | stew, going to paste a better example there... |
| 16:51.16 | daemon_midi | n3kl: nessus is not always right ;-) had that as well... irc is a nice one, too. |
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| 16:54.23 | bthomas | Hi. I am using a generic PS/2 keyboard with Debian/Etch. I got hold of the PS/2 version of Microsoft Ergonomic Elite keyboard. I plugged it in but all the key do wierd things. Shouldn't I be able to hotplug a PS/2 keyboard in a PS/2 setup. |
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| 16:54.56 | n3kl | Anyone know which takes precedence if I export a volume to 10.0.0.0/24 and also 10.0.0.1 with different options? |
| 16:55.14 | Warp4 | stew, http://pastebin.ca/1169941 |
| 16:55.28 | abrotman | n3kl: i'd think that'd be pretty easy to test |
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| 16:55.52 | Warp4 | bthomas, not necessarily. might want to try rebooting the computer and see if that helps. |
| 16:56.10 | abrotman | and make sure it's fully seated |
| 16:56.20 | bthomas | ok |
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| 16:56.59 | stew | Warp4: what does "groups robertw" return? |
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| 16:57.12 | bthomas | be back in a moment |
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| 16:57.23 | Warp4 | stew, robertw : robertw systems |
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| 16:57.48 | rwaite | how can i prevent resolv.conf from being overwritten? |
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| 16:58.12 | hoxu | rwaite, what's the actual problem? |
| 16:58.12 | stew | Warp4: can you show us the relelvant entry from smb.conf? |
| 16:58.21 | hoxu | rwaite, do you want to override name server or some other info from DHCP? |
| 16:58.25 | rwaite | resolv.conf is being overwritten so i'm losing my custom dns settings |
| 16:58.28 | rwaite | yes |
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| 16:58.58 | hoxu | rwaite, man dhclient.conf, /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf - add prepend/append/supersede domain-name-servers there |
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| 17:00.47 | rwaite | thanks |
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| 17:01.36 | stew | rwaite: or look at the resolvconf package |
| 17:02.23 | rwaite | i think it may be time to try linux on my laptop again |
| 17:02.46 | hoxu | new factoid: |
| 17:02.48 | hoxu | !resolv.conf |
| 17:02.48 | dpkg | it has been said that resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, use eg. "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. You can also "prepend" or "append" instead of "supersede". |
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| 17:03.57 | rwaite | i messaged dpkg 'resolv.conf' before i asked here and he told me 'KCI error, or a problem with the Keyboard-Chair Interface.' |
| 17:04.01 | rwaite | :( |
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| 17:05.01 | hoxu | someone here tipped me off on iftop/iptraf/vnstat, so here's a token of my gratitude in form of "screenshots" and some info for whoever still hasn't tried out the excellent apps: http://blog.fealdia.org/2008/08/13/real-time-network-monitoring-utilities/ |
| 17:05.02 | stew | rwaite: that's its cute way of telling you that it doesn't have any recorded factoid for the key "resolv.conf" |
| 17:05.13 | hoxu | heh |
| 17:05.20 | rwaite | ic |
| 17:05.30 | hoxu | no, dpkg is actually truly evil ;) |
| 17:05.34 | rwaite | well isnt dpkg cute as a button |
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| 17:07.27 | Warp4 | stew: http://pastebin.ca/1169958 |
| 17:07.29 | Warp4 | there ya go |
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| 17:09.06 | stew | Warp4: force group = noc |
| 17:09.14 | bthomas | Hi, I can't seem to get a microsoft ergonomic elite keyboard working. The keys do incorrect things. Could this keyboard be a dud ? (I am using etch) |
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| 17:09.36 | Warp4 | stew, ok????? |
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| 17:09.53 | stew | Warp4: read the documentation on that option, it explains what you are seeing |
| 17:10.13 | Warp4 | would it also explain why i can access the folder when i should not be allowed to? |
| 17:10.17 | stew | Warp4: yes |
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| 17:10.42 | stew | Warp4: since you are saying that all users connecting to this service should use 'noc' as their primary group when checking permissions |
| 17:10.58 | rahul | !info acroread |
| 17:11.59 | justin | Warp4: is the general public supposed to be able to connect to that share? |
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| 17:12.12 | Warp4 | no, just members of the noc group |
| 17:12.25 | justin | Warp4: then why do you have it set to public? |
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| 17:12.42 | zinx | bthomas: which keys? |
| 17:13.06 | astra-xwork | !backports |
| 17:13.06 | dpkg | [backport] a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
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| 17:13.17 | astra-xwork | simple sid backport |
| 17:13.28 | cahoot | !self-tell |
| 17:13.28 | dpkg | Please do not use the bot's !tell feature on #debian to see factoids for yourself (!tell me about something). Doing so could be considered spam. Instead, send a private message to the bot (dpkg) containing the factoid you want to read. For example, instead of "!tell me about foo", use "/msg dpkg foo". See also <msg the bot> |
| 17:13.34 | cahoot | (had to try) |
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| 17:14.00 | zinx | bthomas: if it's the media keys, they probably just need to be set up differently.. if it's normal keys, then it's probably the wrong keymap selected |
| 17:14.13 | mcgrof | does debian ship intel's ipw and iwl firmware? |
| 17:14.20 | Warp4 | stew, I had the 'force group = noc' set that way so all files created in that folder would belong to the 'noc' group |
| 17:14.27 | zinx | mcgrof: yes, but possibly only in unstable |
| 17:14.35 | infinitycircuit_ | mcgrof, no. |
| 17:14.39 | mcgrof | thanks |
| 17:14.42 | zinx | infinitycircuit_: Debian ships it. |
| 17:14.52 | stew | Warp4: set the directories chmod g+s to acheive that |
| 17:15.09 | mcgrof | Know if there is policy to phase that out or to keep it? |
| 17:15.13 | infinitycircuit_ | zinx, ipw firmware is not in debian |
| 17:15.19 | zinx | infinitycircuit_: firmware-iwlwifi in sid contains 3945 and two 4965 ones |
| 17:15.33 | infinitycircuit_ | zinx, he asked "ipw and iwl" |
| 17:15.38 | zinx | infinitycircuit_: :/ |
| 17:15.55 | stew | mcgrof: debian provides the firmware in the non-free repositories which are not officially part of debian |
| 17:16.07 | mcgrof | stew: excellent |
| 17:16.29 | mcgrof | stew: so unless users add the non-free repos they don't get it, even on sid? |
| 17:16.37 | zinx | infinitycircuit_: Debian ships ipw firmware in etch |
| 17:16.50 | stew | mcgrof: correct |
| 17:16.54 | zinx | infinitycircuit_: http://packages.debian.org/etch/firmware-ipw3945 |
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| 17:17.23 | infinitycircuit_ | zinx, i think we are talking at cross purposes. i just meant that ipw2100/ipw2200 firmware were not in debian |
| 17:17.30 | infinitycircuit_ | sorry for the lack of specificity |
| 17:17.32 | Warp4 | stew and justin: thanks :) |
| 17:17.51 | Warp4 | now getting a login box and when i use my username and password to log in, i am not able to access that folder now :) |
| 17:18.03 | mcgrof | ipw firmware had stupid licenses |
| 17:18.11 | mcgrof | iwl had better licenses |
| 17:18.12 | zinx | infinitycircuit_: perhaps the one who asked the question needed to be more specific :P |
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| 17:18.38 | mcgrof | zinx: ok we can zero in on iwl firmware instead then :-P |
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| 17:18.47 | Warp4 | now to see if i can get into the folder after adding myself to the group :D |
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| 17:19.18 | rahul | be sure to re-login after adding |
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| 17:19.23 | zinx | mcgrof: debian ships the 3945 and 4965 firmwares for iwlwifi, and the iwlwifi driver is included with recent kernels (and debian ships with the modules present) |
| 17:19.40 | zinx | mcgrof: at least in sid. probably the same in lenny by now, but may not be in etch. |
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| 17:20.02 | deus___ | re |
| 17:20.10 | mcgrof | zinx: but to get the firmware you have to add the non-free repos no? |
| 17:20.12 | stew | iwlwifi firmware is in the etch non-free repositories now |
| 17:20.14 | stew | mcgrof: yes |
| 17:20.25 | zinx | mcgrof: yes, but that's not a big deal.. |
| 17:20.35 | stew | mcgrof: the license for iwlwifi is still non-free, so it still cannot be included in debian |
| 17:20.38 | stew | and that is not likely to change |
| 17:20.46 | zinx | stew: what kernel's the latest in etch, though? the iwlwifi drivers were added fairly recently |
| 17:20.57 | stew | zinx: 2.6.24 |
| 17:21.04 | zinx | mcgrof: non-free means it doesn't meet the DFSG |
| 17:21.11 | mcgrof | zinx: cool |
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| 17:21.48 | zinx | mcgrof: which among other things requires it to be freely modifyable, which is the part where the iwl firmware disagrees - it can be distributed freely (gratis), but not altered |
| 17:22.11 | Warp4 | yay! it works now like it should! |
| 17:22.14 | Warp4 | thanks folks! |
| 17:22.23 | mcgrof | zinx: right |
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| 17:23.45 | stew | dfsg also requires sourcecode which intel is never going to be able to supply |
| 17:24.06 | rahul | If it's not freely modifyable, you can't fix bugs |
| 17:24.32 | rahul | which was RMS's main gripe about closed-source unix |
| 17:25.17 | emma | was that the original gripe? |
| 17:25.41 | mcgrof | the original gripe was a printer with proprietary firmware |
| 17:26.03 | rahul | oh, right, yeah |
| 17:26.19 | rahul | however, how can you prove that the firmware had source code? |
| 17:26.22 | lynucs | is there any way to temporary use another directory as /var/cache/apt/archive ? i can't run apt dist-upgrade because my /var partition is too small. is there a way to dist-upgrade anyway? is creating a new partition on a usb-disk and temporary mounting it as /var the only? |
| 17:26.24 | rahul | what IS source code? |
| 17:26.48 | rahul | I usually don't ship the code that I actually write, BECAUSE clients want their concept of source code, which is different from mine |
| 17:27.12 | rahul | it's equivalent to shipping assembly code of a C program |
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| 17:27.46 | stew | lynucs: set Dir::Cache (man apt.conf) |
| 17:28.08 | maligor | rahul, if it doesn't, it makes it rather difficult to maintain |
| 17:28.12 | lynucs | stew: thx will look at it |
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| 17:28.24 | rahul | maligor: it's harder for my clients to maintain if I give them my source code |
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| 17:28.43 | maligor | well, we weren't talking about you and your clients :P |
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| 17:29.16 | stew | "preferred form of the work for making modifications" |
| 17:29.18 | rahul | maligor: my point is that "source code" is a pretty useless term |
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| 17:29.29 | rahul | stew: which is different for me vs my clients |
| 17:29.34 | rahul | just as one example |
| 17:29.35 | stew | i think it is safe to assume that intel doesn't alter the firmware as is, but translates it from some otther form |
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| 17:29.54 | maligor | yeah, even if it is just some sort of assembler with comments |
| 17:30.07 | rahul | or no comments? :) |
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| 17:30.37 | maligor | programming without commenting is extremely bad practise |
| 17:30.51 | rahul | acroread: Depends: acroread-debian-files (>= 0.0.20) but it is not installable |
| 17:30.53 | CutMeOwnThroat | is adding a comment to an existing bug in the BTS moderated? I.e. should it appear when the mail is received, or is a delay of > one day not unusual? |
| 17:30.55 | rahul | acroread-debian-files [0.0.23 (now)] |
| 17:30.59 | rahul | boggles furiously |
| 17:31.04 | rahul | am I hitting some apt bug? |
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| 17:31.31 | mcgrof | rahul: you rais ea good point about firmware and source, interesting |
| 17:31.35 | rahul | damn it. I need acroread for work. |
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| 17:32.09 | nezza-_- | hey guys... i've got a little problem with lenny on a box with a VIA c3 (1.0 ghz).. if i install via net-instal i get a BUG: Int 6: CR2 00000000 error... i know that i have to change from 2.6.24-686 to 2.6.24-486, but i don't know how to do this in apt.. any help? |
| 17:33.17 | liz | lynucs: symlink it across to the usb key |
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| 17:37.35 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: it should appear sometime between 0-60 minutes after you send the mail. or as soon as you receive the reply from the bts |
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| 17:37.55 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: is the bug archived? |
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| 17:38.08 | stew | CutMeOwnThroat: (if it is archived, you should still receive SOME kind of reply) |
| 17:39.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, no, it's http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403425 |
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| 17:40.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | I sent a mail to control@bugs.debian.org to merge this to mine and got a reply for that |
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| 17:40.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | and sent one to 403425@bugs.debian.org without a reply... might be some problem with my email |
| 17:40.47 | charzero | Building tomcat requires eclpise-jdt. eclipse-jdt package depends on eclipse-platform, which depends on tomcat. |
| 17:41.08 | CutMeOwnThroat | just wonder how long I should wait until I resend |
| 17:41.12 | nezza-_- | okay forget what i asked.. got it ;) |
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| 17:41.15 | charzero | You wouldn't think I'd have to install something to compile it. |
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| 17:42.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | charzero, egg-hen thingy, eh? :) |
| 17:42.13 | stew | charzero: are you talking about tomcat5.5? i dont' see anything related to eclipse in the Build-Depends or Build-Depends-Indep there |
| 17:42.21 | cire | I want to make an image from a non-protected cd. Is "dd if=/dev/hdc of=myfile" the preferred way? |
| 17:42.35 | Eulex | yes |
| 17:42.38 | charzero | stew: You don't need it to install the tomcat5.5 package but you need it if you want to compile tomcat. |
| 17:42.55 | zinx | cire: if it doesn't have any audio tracks, that would probably be the best way |
| 17:43.03 | stew | charzero: what makes you say that you need it to compile tomcat5.5, i dont' see it in the build-dependencies |
| 17:43.04 | cire | okay, thank you |
| 17:43.37 | zinx | cire: cdrdao may help if it has audio tracks or is a MODE2 cd (usually vcd) or such |
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| 17:45.02 | cluck_norris | hi |
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| 17:46.56 | datak0w | ok a good one ... i am trying to download a file from the internet(BIG) to my computer, to upload it to my girl's home computer. But I am on a laptop wirelessly, so it is SLOOOW.. |
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| 17:47.51 | datak0w | so what about acceding to my router by ftp, make some sort of mget bla bla |mput bla bla... should it work? |
| 17:47.57 | cire | zinx: just data. Thank you! |
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| 17:49.55 | Wowbagger_ | I've seen the "screen resolution" preferences program for gnome in ubuntu appear to support multiple monitors (through xrandr I imagine)... but in my debian install I don't see that at all (running lenny/sid). Is this support supposed to be there? |
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| 17:51.07 | locoo | http://tinyurl.com/6e8z84 |
| 17:51.10 | locoo | How would you like to get paid everyday without hassles? |
| 17:51.11 | locoo | At http://tinyurl.com/6e8z84 we don't think member should have to wait to get paid. |
| 17:51.13 | locoo | We also do not require you to make a purchase before getting your payouts. |
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| 17:51.15 | locoo | We offer what surfers need to make money without any problems. |
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| 17:58.25 | Nanosleep | what's the flag to have aptitude suggest solutions to you? |
| 17:58.49 | dondelelcaro | Nanosleep: it automatically does so |
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| 17:59.10 | holycow | guys, if i wanted to have dchp active but NOT have the system receive dns resolution (instead i want to permanently use opendns.org for content filtering) ... is this possible? |
| 17:59.12 | Nanosleep | so it does |
| 17:59.12 | Nyle | I need to setup a ftp fs, what should I use? |
| 17:59.41 | Nyle | mount ftp share as local mountpoint that is |
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| 18:00.30 | keith4 | holycow: check dhclient.conf |
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| 18:00.50 | Nyle | apt-cache search ftp lists only clients and servers |
| 18:01.00 | keith4 | Nyle: lenny? etch? |
| 18:01.01 | Nyle | I don't know what name of the program is that does what i need |
| 18:01.08 | Nyle | keith4, doesn't matter |
| 18:01.12 | Nyle | sid really |
| 18:01.19 | abrotman | ftpfs .. it's in fuse still i think |
| 18:01.21 | abrotman | !ftpfs |
| 18:01.21 | dpkg | a virtual filesystem for transparent FTP access. 'apt-get install ftpfs-src ftpfs-utils' |
| 18:01.27 | Nyle | oh ftpfs |
| 18:01.28 | abrotman | yeah . i think that's old |
| 18:01.29 | keith4 | you suck at searching |
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| 18:01.34 | keith4 | there's a newer one, too |
| 18:01.35 | Nyle | p curlftpfs - filesystem to access FTP hosts based on FUSE and cURL |
| 18:01.36 | keith4 | http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=curlftpfs |
| 18:01.38 | Nyle | there we go |
| 18:01.48 | Nyle | I didn't think of searching for ftpfs |
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| 18:03.27 | Nyle | ohnm, it shows up in search ftp, but it was on top of list i didn't see it |
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| 18:04.02 | Nyle | my hosting provider doesn't give me ssh access, and I need to be able to work with files through cli, so I figured i'd install this |
| 18:04.12 | Nyle | next best thing to actual ssh access to my account |
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| 18:06.24 | khaije1 | i'm at www.debian.org, i want to download the install medium (cd preferably) to install a virtual server based on debian |
| 18:06.58 | khaije1 | i see many cds and many dvds, are these all necessary? is there a minimal install option? |
| 18:07.05 | deus___ | netinstall |
| 18:07.08 | deus___ | or just cd1 |
| 18:07.22 | khaije1 | deus___: whats the diff between the two? |
| 18:07.31 | pngwn | khaije1, debian.org/CD |
| 18:07.36 | Nyle | khaije1, /msg dpkg ig |
| 18:07.47 | khaije1 | i'm guessing /msg dpkg ig |
| 18:08.00 | Nyle | skim the install guide |
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| 18:08.20 | Nyle | you want cd1 and/or netinst cd, or netboot kernel/initrd if you have a nix/xp already |
| 18:08.20 | stew | khaije1: netinstall contains a complete base system. cd1 contains the base system plus the most commonly installed packages, cd2, cd3, etch contain more packages which are ordered by popularity |
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| 18:09.53 | khaije1 | i see, it seems they are interchangeable, is there one that is more appropriate as a base for a SAN server? |
| 18:10.07 | keith4 | use the netinstall |
| 18:10.11 | Nyle | netinst |
| 18:10.23 | Nyle | just go with the base system + whatever you need instead of cd1 |
| 18:10.28 | Nyle | save time and space that way |
| 18:10.28 | abrotman | what kind of half-assed provider doesn't give you ssh? |
| 18:10.35 | Nyle | abrotman, jetscreamer! |
| 18:10.37 | khaije1 | cool, i like the sound of that, thanks all |
| 18:10.40 | abrotman | typical |
| 18:10.43 | Nyle | yeh |
| 18:11.00 | stew | khaije1: if its new hardware, you might want to use a newer kernel for installing: /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 18:11.06 | Nyle | i could have it if i asked him for it, but whatever |
| 18:11.07 | Nyle | maybe i should |
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| 18:11.26 | abrotman | since you know .. ftp is insecure |
| 18:11.33 | Nyle | I know |
| 18:12.07 | Nyle | but hosting is free! free is good, plus its jet man, he'll work with me :) |
| 18:12.08 | Nyle | anyway... |
| 18:12.11 | Nanosleep | my aptitude/apt-get wants to remove about 100 packages because they've been 'automatically installed'.. but I'm very sure I still need these. I tried using aptitude's unmarkauto.. but that didn't seem to do anything, It suggests I remove all of them. Is there a way I can force them to be removed from this "automatically installed" list? and just keep them installed without apt yelling at me? |
| 18:12.43 | khaije1 | i guess it's obvious i'm somewhat new to debian, but isn't it strange to have an alpa (40r4a) considered the stable release? |
| 18:12.45 | Nyle | Nanosleep, you probably don't need them |
| 18:12.55 | Nyle | Nanosleep, those could be recommended packages and not dependecies |
| 18:13.03 | abrotman | khaije1: not alpha |
| 18:13.13 | abrotman | khaije1: it's a subrevision |
| 18:13.20 | khaije1 | abrotman: haha o ok |
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| 18:13.36 | abrotman | khaije1: should have been 4.0r4 .. but something got goofed .. so it became 4.0r4a |
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| 18:13.44 | Nanosleep | Nyle, so I don't need transmission-gtk, and openoffice, and cmus, audacity, a bunch of gnome, gdm.. and other stuff? Really! |
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| 18:13.55 | Nyle | Nanosleep, can you pastebin your entire output please? |
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| 18:15.12 | Nyle | when you install a package, aptitude will automatically install any other packages on which it depends. These packages are marked as having been âautomatically installedâ; aptitude will monitor them and remove them when they are no longer depended upon by any manually installed package |
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| 18:15.35 | Nyle | with any automatic process, there is a potential for things to go haywire. For instance, even if a package was automatically installed to start with, it might turn out to be useful in its own right |
| 18:15.57 | Nanosleep | Nyle, http://nopaste.com/p/atilbTBXi |
| 18:16.09 | Nyle | You can cancel the âautomaticâ flag at any time by browsing the help in the aptitude gui |
| 18:16.11 | lynucs | on dist-upgrade i get a "E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)".. anyone could help? last output is: http://phpfi.com/343127 |
| 18:16.13 | abrotman | Nanosleep: what was the command you used to get that output ? |
| 18:16.15 | Nyle | curses interface |
| 18:16.43 | lynucs | seems it is some problem with libpam-modules package |
| 18:16.46 | abrotman | !find File/Copy.pm etch |
| 18:16.47 | Nyle | wow! |
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| 18:17.10 | Nanosleep | abrotman, any time I apt-get install it says I should autoclean, and presents me with those packages. The specific command I used to get that message was aptitude -f install |
| 18:17.16 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'File/Copy.pm' (1): (/usr/share/perl/5.8.8/File/Copy.pm) in perl/perl-modules. |
| 18:17.26 | abrotman | lynucs: install perl-modules |
| 18:17.28 | abrotman | Nanosleep: |
| 18:17.31 | keith4 | does running 'dpkg-reconfigure locales' fix all of those locales warnings? |
| 18:17.45 | Nyle | they will be removed when there is no path via Depends, PreDepends, or Recommends to them from a manually installed package. If Aptitude::Keep-Suggests is true, a Suggests relationship is also enough to keep a package installed. |
| 18:17.49 | abrotman | Nanosleep: you can mark them all manual if you choose .. |
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| 18:18.14 | Nanosleep | abrotman, is there a way to do that In batch? I'd rather not mark 300 packages manually |
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| 18:18.47 | lynucs | abrotman: should i install it from the etch-repos or may i use the lenny (on which i do upgrade) perl-modules? |
| 18:18.53 | Nyle | aptitude keep-all |
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| 18:19.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | Nanosleep, you should look which one of them you really want - a lot of them might be not a bad thing to remove |
| 18:19.23 | Nyle | aptitude unmarkauto --schedule-only '~i' (for installed) |
| 18:19.47 | Nyle | CutMeOwnThroat, dude, its removing more than half his desktop |
| 18:19.49 | Nyle | thats NOT good. |
| 18:19.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | hehe |
| 18:20.00 | CutMeOwnThroat | mabbe |
| 18:20.00 | Nanosleep | that's what I get for running sid :| |
| 18:20.06 | Nyle | aH! |
| 18:20.08 | Nanosleep | heh |
| 18:20.09 | Nyle | is done supporting. |
| 18:20.21 | Nanosleep | i brought this on myself lol |
| 18:20.25 | abrotman | lynucs: if you're using lenny .. use that |
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| 18:20.49 | lynucs | abrotman: i'm on etch right now.. the error i pasted appeared on dist-upgrade process |
| 18:21.06 | lynucs | after about 20 minutes processsing :) |
| 18:21.07 | abrotman | lynucs: you can try the etch version .. it should try to dist-upgrade it |
| 18:21.10 | Nyle | some packages may be wrongly marked as automatically installed. Aptitude may wrongly want to remove some of them. You can fix this by telling Aptitude to unmark ("unmarkauto") all such packages that are currently installed ("--schedule-only '~i'"). |
| 18:21.19 | Nyle | aptitude is beautiful, but only if you know how to use it |
| 18:21.28 | Nyle | and aptitude is also a piece of shit sometimes, if you don't know wtf to do |
| 18:21.34 | Nyle | your best bet, read the docs. |
| 18:21.34 | CutMeOwnThroat | I dunno, there's not so many key packages... all the lib* stuff should either depend on something or can be gone |
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| 18:22.34 | Nyle | Aptitude installs "recommended" packages as well as just "dependencies". |
| 18:22.46 | abrotman | you can have aptitude not install recommends |
| 18:22.48 | Nyle | You can avoid this by using the "-R" (or "--without-recommends") option. |
| 18:23.08 | khaije1 | anyone have references / recommendations for setting up a debian-based SAN appliance? I'll probably build it on kvm, also i'm looking at webmin for mgmt |
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| 18:23.25 | Nyle | purge any packages that are no longer required by any installed package --purge-unused |
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| 18:24.01 | Nyle | I've never built a nas or san heh, no idea |
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| 18:24.50 | magyar_ | hi, is there a reason why dpkg-query -l package is not showing up a package but aptitude does? |
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| 18:25.37 | keith4 | !webmin |
| 18:25.37 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/ Remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html about the removal. Don't use their .debs, they are of extremely poor quality. |
| 18:25.42 | keith4 | khaije1: ^^ |
| 18:25.43 | cambazz | hello people. I am a linux veteran but never used debian. I just got me a dedicated host, and it comes with debian-40-etch |
| 18:25.47 | cambazz | where should I start from |
| 18:25.56 | cambazz | for example |
| 18:25.58 | stew | cambazz: /msg dpkg reference |
| 18:26.02 | cambazz | how do we install things |
| 18:26.07 | stew | cambazz: /msg dpkg apt-howto |
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| 18:26.44 | Nyle | webmin ugh |
| 18:26.58 | cambazz | well is there an afterboot like in openbsd. i.e. list of task you need to do after installing the system |
| 18:27.19 | Nyle | tasksel |
| 18:27.34 | Nyle | I think thats what you are asking |
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| 18:27.58 | Nyle | cambazz, man tasksel perhaps (but you should not really need to) what are yo ulooking to do specifically to your debian server? |
| 18:28.11 | stew | cambazz: i don't know what afterboot does, but in general, no (besides installing whatever software you need on top of the base system) |
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| 18:28.39 | khaije1 | keith4: any better options? there is ebox and probably others... |
| 18:28.55 | keith4 | sure. learn how to configure things by yourself |
| 18:28.57 | stew | khaije1: 'none' is the best option |
| 18:28.59 | ptman | stew: iirc afterboot is a man-page (or document) with directions on where to go after install |
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| 18:29.25 | khaije1 | isn't sure what he expected |
| 18:29.51 | nubbun | Is there a channel especially for debian-testing? |
| 18:29.57 | glulz | my system breaks on boot when Being: running /scripts/init-premount ... any clue ? |
| 18:29.58 | abrotman | no |
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| 18:30.22 | Nyle | breaks on boot. |
| 18:30.28 | Nyle | ahhh boy. |
| 18:30.45 | abrotman | nubbun: this is the channel |
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| 18:31.03 | nubbun | What is the state of IP6 in Debian/Testing? |
| 18:31.10 | Nyle | its fine. |
| 18:31.23 | Nyle | nubbun, what is your real specific question? |
| 18:31.29 | Nyle | !tell nubbun -about ask |
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| 18:32.27 | stew | nubbun: what do you mean by "state". it is enabled by default |
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| 18:34.33 | nubbun | stew: whether it is supposedly working. |
| 18:34.46 | abrotman | it is supposedly working :) |
| 18:35.10 | nubbun | When I ifup a statically defined eth0 in /etc/network/interfaces, the address is shown as 'tentative' by the 'ip' program. |
| 18:35.20 | nubbun | and I don't know why. |
| 18:35.27 | xci | hmm, does anyone have a clue why my apt does not find ipw3945-modules when running on unstable? |
| 18:36.13 | abrotman | xci: iwlwifi now |
| 18:36.18 | abrotman | !tell xci about iwlwifi |
| 18:36.39 | nubbun | presumably because the interface address is 'tentative' , I can't ping6 it. |
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| 18:42.44 | liz | well |
| 18:42.53 | Nyle | well ? |
| 18:43.28 | Nyle | enouf, ping |
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| 18:46.33 | Nyle | curlftpfs#ftp.host.com /mnt/host fuse rw,uid=500,user,noauto 0 0 <-- how do i specify user/pass here? |
| 18:46.41 | Nyle | using -o as a regular mount option? |
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| 18:47.04 | Nyle | -o user="user:pass". <-- anyway to not have this in any files like fstab or whatever |
| 18:47.15 | Nyle | and will this show up also inside mount -l? |
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| 18:47.50 | RomiX | 8-) |
| 18:48.00 | Nyle | !curlftpfs |
| 18:48.17 | Nyle | will google in the meantime while I wait for response |
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| 18:49.10 | Nyle | well the manpage fails me |
| 18:49.17 | RomiX | Hello |
| 18:49.20 | Nyle | hi |
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| 18:49.35 | Nyle | ARRRRGGHHHHH@@@@@!!!!! |
| 18:49.44 | abrotman | Nyle: if it's like other 'ftp' things .. user:pass@host |
| 18:49.47 | abrotman | IIRC |
| 18:50.03 | Nyle | dpkg curlftpfs is a filesystem for accessing FTP hosts based on FUSE and libcurl. http://curlftpfs.sourceforge.net/ |
| 18:50.04 | dpkg | okay, Nyle |
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| 18:50.18 | Nyle | abrotman, i found it, you can use a file and hide it and perm it/restrict it and have that with all the user info |
| 18:50.50 | Nyle | You can put the user and password in a .netrc file in the home directory of the user that executes CurlFtpFS |
| 18:50.54 | abrotman | ok |
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| 18:51.27 | jpinx | not specific to debian, but I need to connect my debian laptop to my wifes windows desktop through the router my ISP provided - any ideas anyone please? |
| 18:51.28 | Nyle | It's still clear text but at least is not accessible by all. |
| 18:51.52 | Nyle | jpinx, simple |
| 18:52.17 | jpinx | Nyle: please tell |
| 18:52.43 | cambazz | after an apt-get update |
| 18:52.45 | Nyle | jpinx, install samba smbclient; smbpasswd -a <username>, nano /etc/samba/smb.conf (configure for your network specifications), make sure router doesn't block netbios |
| 18:52.54 | cambazz | how can i reinstall a previously installed package |
| 18:53.02 | Nyle | cambazz, --reinstall |
| 18:53.12 | Nyle | cambazz, why ? maybe /msg dpkg confmiss? |
| 18:53.13 | cambazz | apt-get --reinstall pkgname? |
| 18:53.19 | Nyle | cambazz, install --reinstall |
| 18:53.20 | cambazz | Nyle: thanks |
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| 18:53.33 | jpinx | Nyle - do I need samba? I have ntfs-3g to read the ntfs partitions |
| 18:53.43 | Nyle | yes. |
| 18:53.56 | Nyle | ntfs-3g has no play here |
| 18:54.07 | jpinx | ok |
| 18:54.09 | Nyle | absolutely none. You need to install samba so what your debian can talk to xp shares |
| 18:54.16 | Nyle | s/what/that |
| 18:54.22 | jpinx | goes to find samba |
| 18:54.29 | Nyle | jpinx, aptitude install samba |
| 18:54.33 | Nyle | and smbclient |
| 18:54.53 | Nyle | jpinx, also check #samba, and also check debian-administration.org for more tutorials |
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| 18:55.18 | Nyle | just uses smb4k (kde) |
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| 18:55.39 | jpinx | it appears that I already have samba and smbclient |
| 18:55.47 | Nyle | jpinx, /etc/samba/smb.conf is heavily commented, you can figure it out easliy |
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| 18:55.59 | jpinx | ok - looking - thanks |
| 18:56.44 | stew | jpinx: when you say "connect my debian laptop to my wifes windows desktop" what specifically do you mean? you want to access files on the desktop? you want the desktop to access files on the laptop? both? something different? |
| 18:57.32 | lynucs | okay, after dist-upgrade exiting because of perl-modules.. then tried to install it manually, ending up with 37 broken deps. trying to repoir them with synaptic resulted in another error, telling me i should run "dpkg --configure -a".. this end's up in an error too though.. is there anything i could do about it? |
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| 18:58.19 | dusty_ | Hey guys, what is wrong with these rules: http://rafb.net/p/pCvLfU40.html I get the following error: iptables: No chain/target/match by that name ? |
| 18:58.29 | stew | lynucs: show us the actual error |
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| 18:59.23 | jpinx | stew: I need to put some files on her desktop and take some off to my laptop |
| 18:59.56 | lynucs | stew: some last lines of dpkg --configure -a : http://phpfi.com/343139 |
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| 19:00.00 | lynucs | german though :( |
| 19:00.11 | jpinx | and if possible to work some windows programmes remotely |
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| 19:00.36 | stew | lynucs: can you show us the output of "LANG=c dpkg --configure -a" instead |
| 19:00.38 | justin | lynucs: temporary change your locale to english and run it again |
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| 19:03.04 | lynucs | justin, stew : http://phpfi.com/343141 |
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| 19:04.27 | lynucs | tried already to switch all repos back to etch, run apt-get update and retry dpkg --configure.. still the error |
| 19:04.27 | stew | lynucs: have you tried running "aptitude -f install"? |
| 19:04.28 | justin | lynucs: you tried to upgrade to lenny? |
| 19:04.35 | lynucs | justin: yepp |
| 19:04.37 | lynucs | stew: nope |
| 19:04.51 | Athas | Today, when I tried to run a dist-upgrade, I got this message: "libdjvulibre21: Depends: libdjvulibre-text (>= 3.5.20-8) but it is not installed or djvulibre-desktop (= 3.5.20-8) but it is not installed". It told me to try with -f, which cause it to try to install libdjvulibre-text, but that package apparently conflicts with libdjvulibre15. If I try to remove that package, I get into a (seemingly) endless run where more and more |
| 19:04.51 | Athas | packages complain about missing dependencies. |
| 19:04.58 | stew | lynucs: you can't easily go back to ecth, if you've partially upgraded to lenny, switch your sources back to lenny |
| 19:04.59 | Athas | How do I fix this? |
| 19:05.02 | justin | lynucs: your sources.list contains which? lenny or etch? |
| 19:05.12 | lynucs | justin: atm lennny |
| 19:05.16 | lynucs | stew: done that |
| 19:05.16 | Athas | I'm running Testing. |
| 19:05.39 | justin | Athas: have you tried removing all of them at once? |
| 19:05.50 | n3kl | ll |
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| 19:06.04 | nubbun | Why does it happen? Error updating sources.list: GPG error: file: etch Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG A70DAF536070D3A1 Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (4.0/etch) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
| 19:06.13 | stew | Athas: are you using aptitude or apt-get? |
| 19:06.19 | justin | lynucs: ok, now that it is lenny again, what happens after an apt-get update ? |
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| 19:06.41 | Athas | stew: apt-get. |
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| 19:07.08 | stew | Athas: its recommended to use aptitude over apt-get, try "aptitude -f install" |
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| 19:07.15 | Athas | justin: basically, every time I run the command, more packages with missing dependencies get mentioned. |
| 19:07.19 | lynucs | justin: running through but then: "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. " |
| 19:07.21 | Athas | I will, thanks. |
| 19:07.22 | jpinx | stew: I am connecting to an EchoLife Home Gateway - it asks for a username and password - which ones do I use? |
| 19:07.36 | justin | lynucs: ok, run that then |
| 19:07.48 | justin | lynucs: you'll probably get an errror, but it should be a different one |
| 19:07.53 | stew | jpinx: sorry, i don't know what that is, or what your password would be |
| 19:08.00 | lynucs | justin: still the same one :( |
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| 19:08.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | Athas, if none of the solutions satisfy you, you can also just install things you see missing |
| 19:08.16 | stew | lynucs: can you show us the output of "aptitude -f install"? |
| 19:08.26 | stew | lynucs: err "LANG=c aptitude -f install" |
| 19:08.33 | lynucs | stew: didn't runt that yet. should me? |
| 19:08.37 | Athas | CutMeOwnThroat: it seems to be doing something, which is an improvement over my starting point. I'll see where I end up. |
| 19:08.38 | stew | lynucs: yes |
| 19:08.42 | lynucs | oka |
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| 19:09.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | Athas, like in your case, you could try "apt-get install libdjvulibre-text" (or the other package it depends on) and see why it's "not going to be installed" |
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| 19:09.59 | Athas | CutMeOwnThroat: it was a file conflict, libdjbulibre15 provided a similarly named and located XML file. |
| 19:10.22 | Athas | aptitude managed to clean up the mess, so I'm good now! |
| 19:11.28 | lynucs | stew: http://phpfi.com/343145 but there is no other dpkg or apt process running |
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| 19:13.30 | justin | lynucs: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=483655 |
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| 19:15.52 | justin | lynucs: does it work for a single package if you do 'dpkg --configure perl' ? |
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| 19:18.00 | jpinx | Now the windows desktop can see the files on my debian laptop via http, how do I get the reverse ? |
| 19:18.16 | lynucs | justin: nope, "dependency problems - leaving unconfigured \r Errors were encountered while processing: perl" |
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| 19:18.52 | justin | lynucs: what errors? |
| 19:19.09 | maltepalte | i have a machine coming in with 16 x 1 TB disks, that I want to make into a 8 TB raid 1 array. can anyone tell me if i will have problems getting debian to install on this machine after configuring the raid array in this way? |
| 19:19.27 | duton | via http?the entire world can now see your files? :O |
| 19:19.33 | maltepalte | these are sata disks, and the machine has got a hw raid card that supports the drives |
| 19:19.36 | justin | maltepalte: I think you mean a raid 10 array |
| 19:19.47 | dondelelcaro | maltepalte: nope |
| 19:19.52 | jpinx | duton: only the ones I put in the RootDirectory for Apache2 |
| 19:20.01 | duton | ah |
| 19:20.11 | jpinx | which is perfect for my purposes |
| 19:20.18 | jpinx | but I need the reverse to work |
| 19:20.20 | maltepalte | justin, hmm, no, im pretty sure i mean a raid 1 array ... why? :) |
| 19:20.21 | duton | why not use an ftp server with password |
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| 19:20.33 | duton | you can set one up on windows too with filezilla server |
| 19:20.39 | justin | maltepalte: I'm pretty sure you mean a raid 10 array :) |
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| 19:20.43 | duton | on linux with proftpd |
| 19:20.48 | dondelelcaro | duton: because it sends passwords in the clear |
| 19:21.00 | justin | jpinx: I think you wanted to be using samba, not http |
| 19:21.08 | stew | maltepalte: 16 x 1TB disks in raid 1 would yield 1TB of storage, in raid 10 or raid 0+1 they would yield 8TB of storage |
| 19:21.17 | maltepalte | justin, but we are only going to be mirroring, not striping.. so its raid 1, right? |
| 19:21.29 | jpinx | has no experience of samba and doesn't understand the conf file |
| 19:21.32 | dondelelcaro | maltepalte: you'll strip or jbod or similar |
| 19:21.39 | stew | maltepalte: yeah, if you are just mirroring then its raid 1, and it would only get you 1TB of usable storage |
| 19:21.42 | lynucs | justin: http://phpfi.com/343148 that's the whole output |
| 19:21.47 | justin | jpinx: samba is very easy on debian, you just DONT TOUCH the config file |
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| 19:22.01 | dondelelcaro | maltepalte: generally you might as well stripe, since it'll be faster |
| 19:22.06 | jpinx | justin - perfect, but how do I get connected? |
| 19:22.07 | jon___ | which tool to use for converting wav to mp3 ? |
| 19:22.12 | pickcoder | maltepalte:you can setup 8 1TB RAID1 arrays and use them for various mount points |
| 19:22.15 | justin | about the only thing you should be doing, if anything, is to change 'writable = no' to 'writable = yes' to the [homes] share |
| 19:22.19 | pickcoder | maltepalte: which controller is it |
| 19:22.20 | n3kl | jon___: lame? |
| 19:22.30 | jon___ | thx, and yes, i am ;) |
| 19:22.40 | maltepalte | ah.. thanks guys, i stand corrected |
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| 19:22.52 | justin | jpinx: install samba, run 'smbpasswd -a user' as root to add the initial account, go to \\server\user in windows.. |
| 19:22.57 | justin | jpinx: piece of cake |
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| 19:23.45 | muddd | jpinx your webserver whooya is visible to the world, you know? |
| 19:23.47 | jpinx | justin: ta - going for that |
| 19:23.55 | maltepalte | but on a whole, there are no problems with getting debian installed on this machine then? good support for this size disk arrays and such? |
| 19:23.57 | duton | on windows they also have apache . savant is a nice web server too. but for file access in local network well thats what samba is for |
| 19:24.03 | maltepalte | pickcoder, looking up the card right now .. i think it was a 3ware |
| 19:24.10 | nubbun | Why does Ubuntu bother (some) Debianers? |
| 19:24.15 | dusty_ | Is there a way to specify a source address as a dns rather than ip ? i want to limit ssh connections to my home ip but its static so i want to use a dynamic dns on my home machine and use iptables rules on the server to limit from that dns to the server ? |
| 19:24.20 | jpinx | muddd: only what I post in the RootDirectory |
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| 19:24.23 | justin | lynucs: I see... have you tried 'apt-get -f install' ? that might work where 'aptitude -f install' failed |
| 19:24.34 | n3kl | hardware raid is a waste of money |
| 19:24.50 | muddd | i saw a login for it when i looked up your ip |
| 19:24.51 | justin | n3kl: depends on how many disks you have |
| 19:25.01 | muddd | i would guess it wouldn't take long for some kid to get in there |
| 19:25.04 | n3kl | justin: meh, not really |
| 19:25.13 | lynucs | justin: seems doing something :) |
| 19:25.16 | justin | n3kl: yes, really |
| 19:25.21 | n3kl | justin: how? |
| 19:25.32 | muddd | you mean they will only have access to files you allow them to? |
| 19:25.42 | pickcoder | n3kl: not IMO. It's nice having a separation between the disk system and Linux |
| 19:25.50 | duton | as your router (if any) does not forward port 80 they can not access it from the wan side |
| 19:25.55 | justin | n3kl: http://etbe.coker.com.au/2007/11/16/software-vs-hardware-raid/ |
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| 19:26.35 | lynucs | justin: http://phpfi.com/343149 :( |
| 19:26.38 | jpinx | justin: got the user added witha password, but what then? |
| 19:26.40 | stew | my hardware raid waas certainly not a waste of money, there was no cheaper solution to get the amount of storage i needed at the time i bought it |
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| 19:26.52 | n3kl | for offloading to a seperate controller yes, but for reliablility, software raid is completely hardware independent. Everything can fail and you can still have your raid swapping out controllers |
| 19:26.54 | justin | jpinx: map the drive on the windows box |
| 19:27.04 | maltepalte | pickcoder, DB: 3ware 9650SE-16ML 16-Port (SATA) (MultiLane) (PCIe) is the hw raid card i'm getting |
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| 19:27.08 | jpinx | justin: what does that mean? |
| 19:27.08 | justin | lynucs: ah, that is easy to fix |
| 19:27.13 | muddd | ... |
| 19:27.21 | pickcoder | the 9650 should be plug-n-play |
| 19:27.31 | pickcoder | don't forget a BBU module |
| 19:27.32 | justin | lynucs: edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/myspell-de-at.postrm |
| 19:27.40 | justin | lynucs: delete everything but the exit 0 |
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| 19:27.55 | justin | lynucs: you can run update-openoffice-dicts later when it is installed |
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| 19:28.22 | justin | alternatively I suppose you could just cp /bin/true /usr/bin/update-openoffice-dicts for now :) |
| 19:28.49 | n3kl | justin: reading your link... |
| 19:28.53 | maltepalte | pickcoder, hmms, BBU module.. darn, didn't get any of those |
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| 19:29.27 | pickcoder | if you have a reliable hardwired UPS then it's not quite as critical |
| 19:29.44 | pickcoder | still.. I've seen new power supplies smoke after a few days of abuse |
| 19:30.00 | jpinx | Justin: I do not find //server/user in the windows box |
| 19:30.32 | maltepalte | pickcoder, hmm, that is a good point .. perhaps i should see about getting a few (got a few more machines coming in as well) |
| 19:30.35 | n3kl | hardware raid scares me. What if the controller fails? |
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| 19:30.46 | lynucs | justin: another error occures: http://phpfi.com/343151 . What do you think, does it make sense to dig into it or better to reinstall? |
| 19:30.48 | justin | jpinx: you would see \\server, but not user, those are hidden by default |
| 19:30.51 | pickcoder | n3kl: it's no different than your memory flaking out |
| 19:31.02 | stew | n3kl: how would you recommend that he get an 8tb raid 10 array that would be cheaper than the way he is going? |
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| 19:31.08 | jpinx | justin: no, I don't see //server |
| 19:31.09 | pickcoder | aif you don't have ECC then you are actually more likely have disk errors with softraid |
| 19:31.15 | pickcoder | s/a// |
| 19:31.20 | justin | lynucs: debian is almost always fixable... |
| 19:31.21 | n3kl | pickcoder: but memory flake out could be replaced, it does not effect my data |
| 19:31.24 | jpinx | it's a standard XP install |
| 19:31.38 | n3kl | stew: raid 10? |
| 19:31.39 | pickcoder | n3kl: um.. yes it can |
| 19:31.44 | justin | jpinx: can you ping the server from a cmd box by name? |
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| 19:31.54 | n3kl | pickcoder: isnt' that the point of a journaled filesystem though? |
| 19:31.59 | stew | n3kl: yes, he's setting up a 16x1TB raid10 array |
| 19:32.01 | n3kl | stew: thats a big raid |
| 19:32.05 | pickcoder | besides there aren't many motherboards that have 16 SATA connectors |
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| 19:32.18 | n3kl | stew: I just hope its on multiple controllers |
| 19:32.21 | justin | lynucs: if you run it again does it get any further? |
| 19:32.22 | stew | n3kl: its not |
| 19:32.34 | pickcoder | I've been running 3ware for years |
| 19:32.39 | justin | lynucs: looks like you have a problem with perl-modules |
| 19:32.42 | n3kl | stew: I am pretty sure that will completely saturate the bus |
| 19:32.47 | pickcoder | the only controller I've had go bad was a POS 8000 series |
| 19:32.54 | n3kl | pickcoder: I hear they are very nice controllers |
| 19:32.59 | jpinx | justin: yes I can ping the windows box |
| 19:33.01 | pickcoder | 3ware admitted that the firrmware was hokey |
| 19:33.15 | stew | n3kl: ok, but how could he do it cheaper? since your objection was that the raid controller was a waste of money |
| 19:33.18 | enouf | n3kl: not a pciE controller |
| 19:33.19 | pickcoder | I'm still testing Areca |
| 19:33.23 | jpinx | justin: by IP I have no idea what it's name is |
| 19:33.26 | lynucs | justin: no, its not running further.. the dist-upgrade also failed on perl-modules |
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| 19:33.39 | justin | lynucs: oh? what is the error for that? |
| 19:33.40 | n3kl | enouf: I am pretty sure that is also true. You would need at minimum a 16x, I think 4x would saturate |
| 19:33.40 | pickcoder | I only run PCI-X or PCI-e RAID controllers |
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| 19:33.48 | justin | lynucs: if you can get perl installed OK you should be in the clear |
| 19:33.51 | pickcoder | the PCI-X are quite fast |
| 19:34.00 | justin | jpinx: no, ping the linux box from windows by its hostname |
| 19:34.01 | enouf | n3kl: it's likely an x8 |
| 19:34.10 | enouf | n3kl: which is fine |
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| 19:34.14 | n3kl | enouf: hopefully |
| 19:34.19 | SamuraiDio | hi |
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| 19:34.36 | n3kl | Isn't the raid data stored on the controller bios? |
| 19:34.37 | jpinx | justin: how to ping from windows? I can http: the linux box |
| 19:34.48 | pickcoder | n3kl: only if you configure it to be cached |
| 19:34.57 | justin | jpinx: open a cmd box |
| 19:35.07 | n3kl | pickcoder: ahh |
| 19:35.16 | pickcoder | a BBU helps eliminate power failure cache loss |
| 19:35.24 | n3kl | pickcoder: where else would it store it? On the drives? |
| 19:35.25 | pickcoder | no disk system is perfect |
| 19:35.40 | n3kl | I think the BBU is pretty much necessay |
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| 19:35.54 | lynucs | justin: there was no message telling that it's exactly perl-modules. that's someone told me on irc. here is the last output of dist-upgrade |
| 19:35.58 | lynucs | http://phpfi.com/343127 |
| 19:36.02 | n3kl | if you are going to spend $3000 on this raid system I hope you care enough about the data to get a BBU |
| 19:36.03 | pickcoder | you don't need one if you're not using write caching |
| 19:36.06 | vadim | hi. I have several questions. If i have debian 4.0 r2 can i install from it and then upgrade to r4? 2nd one - how can i see what release is installed on my PC? |
| 19:36.08 | jpinx | justin: I can ping it by public IP |
| 19:36.29 | justin | jpinx: ok.. once again, does it work by NAME? |
| 19:36.34 | SamuraiDio | i have installed nullmailer MTA on my machine, to send emails through an smtp server, but every time i try to sent an email the mail log shows this error: "Could not exec program" |
| 19:36.37 | pickcoder | the performance gain is worth the small risk |
| 19:36.44 | jpinx | justin: and by name |
| 19:36.46 | justin | lynucs: yeah.. File/Copy.pm is part of perl-modules |
| 19:36.52 | jpinx | had to find the name again..... |
| 19:37.00 | cambazz | hey, what vbersion of debian is recent |
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| 19:37.03 | cambazz | I got 4.0 |
| 19:37.07 | justin | jpinx: the name is in the prompt in your shell |
| 19:37.11 | cambazz | well i got this host, and they gave me a 4.0 |
| 19:37.14 | stew | cambazz: that is current |
| 19:37.15 | n3kl | cambazz: 4.0 is stable |
| 19:37.22 | justin | lynucs: what happens if you do apt-get install --reinstall perl-modules ? |
| 19:37.26 | cambazz | ok. some relief there |
| 19:37.29 | stew | cambazz: just make sure you have security.debian.org configured in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 19:37.40 | stew | cambazz: (/msg dpkg security) |
| 19:37.42 | jpinx | justin: I can ping the debian box from the windows box by name |
| 19:37.49 | vadim | hi. I have several questions. If i have debian 4.0 r2 can i install from it and then upgrade to r4? 2nd one - how can i see what release is installed on my PC? |
| 19:37.57 | cambazz | but for example I installed postgresql and it installed version 7.5.2 |
| 19:38.00 | cambazz | which is kinda old |
| 19:38.02 | justin | jpinx: so what happens if you go to start -> run and put in \\name ? |
| 19:38.07 | stew | vadim: yes, /msg dpkg security |
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| 19:38.21 | bony | i tried to start gedit at a given time using at command but what i found was that at uses sh to execute all the commands and when i tried $sh gedit i get an error saying cannot execute file. what should i do in order to start gedit with sh? |
| 19:38.23 | justin | cambazz: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 19:38.57 | vadim | and how do i upgrade? |
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| 19:38.57 | n3kl | pickcoder: you said you use 3ware. 6950 Series? |
| 19:38.57 | stew | cambazz: you can also install postgresql-8.1 instead of postgresql to get 8.1 instead of 7, or use 8.3 from backports.org |
| 19:39.04 | stew | vadim: aptitude update && aptitude upgrade |
| 19:39.11 | stew | vadim: err aptitude dist-upgrade |
| 19:39.11 | pickcoder | n3kl: most of the 9000 series are stable |
| 19:39.13 | cambazz | stew: well how can I do that |
| 19:39.15 | jpinx | justin: I have a cl in windows |
| 19:39.18 | cambazz | I just need 8.1 |
| 19:39.19 | stew | cambazz: do which? |
| 19:39.27 | stew | cambazz: aptitude install postgresql-8.1 |
| 19:39.30 | n3kl | pickcoder: er sorry, I mean 9650 |
| 19:39.31 | jpinx | justin: but no start > run facility |
| 19:39.34 | vadim | it makes release upgrade too? |
| 19:39.41 | cambazz | well how do I install the older version |
| 19:39.57 | n3kl | pickcoder: how many of their cards have you used. You sound like you run these a lot? |
| 19:39.58 | cambazz | and how can I say apt-install showme last installed packages |
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| 19:40.06 | justin | bony: just put 'DISPLAY=:0 gedit' |
| 19:40.17 | justin | jpinx: what version of windows is this? |
| 19:40.18 | stew | vadim: the only difference between r2 and r4 are a few updated pacakges. "aptitude dist-upgrade" will get you those updated packages |
| 19:40.25 | justin | jpinx: pretty sure even vista has run |
| 19:40.28 | bony | justin, thanks for the help i will check it out |
| 19:40.36 | jpinx | justin: it's XP in peruvian spanish :( |
| 19:40.44 | justin | jpinx: your keyboard have a windows key? |
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| 19:40.56 | ilembitov | Hi, all. I have to write a review of Konqueror from KDE 4.1 for one magazine. Are KDE 4.1 packages from experimental OK? Can anybody advice me from his personal experience? |
| 19:40.59 | jpinx | justin: yep |
| 19:41.04 | justin | jpinx: then press windowskey+r |
| 19:41.21 | muddd | xp in peruvian spanish? wow |
| 19:41.21 | n3kl | uh, topic? |
| 19:41.32 | vadim | stew: ok, thanks. if i download the first cd, will that be enough? |
| 19:41.49 | jpinx | justin: no effect |
| 19:41.50 | stew | vadim: yes, assuming that the machine can get to the internet using a standard debian kernel |
| 19:41.51 | bony | justin, bingo i got it. it worked thanks a lot |
| 19:41.58 | cambazz | is there any way to see a list of recently installed packages |
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| 19:42.07 | n3kl | enouf: hows your project comming, btw? |
| 19:42.07 | justin | cambazz: /var/log/dpkg.log ? |
| 19:42.20 | muddd | is jpinx still trying to map his drive? |
| 19:42.22 | helo | where is nvidia-kernel-source? |
| 19:42.28 | helo | (for lenny) |
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| 19:42.43 | jpinx | muddd: yes |
| 19:42.51 | stew | helo: non-existant |
| 19:42.51 | muddd | it should show up in network neighborhood shouldn't it? |
| 19:42.55 | helo | i added a sid deb-src line, but there is no 'nvidia-graphics-drivers' package |
| 19:43.01 | pickcoder | 8006-4LP, 9500S-4LP, and 9550SX-4LP |
| 19:43.14 | pickcoder | the 8006 had port timeouts regurarly from stable drives |
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| 19:43.26 | pickcoder | the 9500S shows timeouts occasionally, but I think it's the SATA controller |
| 19:43.27 | helo | is this some hippy anti-proprietary debian philosophy? ;) |
| 19:43.27 | stew | helo: how did you try to retrieve or search for the nvidia-graphics-drivers package? |
| 19:43.29 | pickcoder | er |
| 19:43.33 | pickcoder | SATA drivers |
| 19:43.33 | muddd | if samba is configured correctly and maybe xp has to be in the same "workgroup" or something |
| 19:43.39 | abrotman | helo: no .. nvidia sucks |
| 19:43.40 | stew | helo: yes, that would be the reason that it isn't in debian |
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| 19:43.41 | enouf | n3kl: erm, which one? also, did you realize PCI-E spec 2.0 (1/2007) doubles the data rates? |
| 19:43.52 | pickcoder | I have an Areca @ home in a back-up file server |
| 19:43.54 | lynucs | justin: the --reinstall perl-modules has some unresovled deps i guess: http://phpfi.com/343154 |
| 19:44.01 | helo | nvidia is better than console mode |
| 19:44.04 | justin | jpinx: ummm.. you can do it from an explorer window too... heh |
| 19:44.20 | pickcoder | the 9550SX has a set of raptors on it |
| 19:44.26 | jpinx | justin: ok - please tell |
| 19:44.26 | abrotman | !nvidia_lenny |
| 19:44.26 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 19:44.28 | n3kl | enouf: no. I guess it has been that long since I gathered my information. The video ripping project. |
| 19:44.28 | pickcoder | and it runs our enterprise server |
| 19:44.33 | pickcoder | no problems at all |
| 19:44.44 | justin | lynucs: can you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 19:44.58 | pickcoder | looks like the Areca is a 1210 |
| 19:45.02 | pickcoder | PCI-e |
| 19:45.13 | helo | step three gives me: Unable to find a source package for nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 19:45.30 | stew | helo: its in non-free |
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| 19:45.45 | enouf | n3kl: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCIE -- and if you mean simultaneous playback -and- dumpstream from a live stream? I think my workround will suffice ;-) |
| 19:45.47 | helo | hah, i guess i should have known that |
| 19:46.14 | enouf | n3kl: i started on other things, like converting MOV .mp4 down to mpeg2 ;-) |
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| 19:46.59 | n3kl | Nice |
| 19:47.05 | justin | lynucs: this is odd: perl: Depends: perl-base (= 5.10.0-11.1) but 5.8.8-7etch3 is to be installed |
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| 19:47.35 | stew | lynucs: i'd recommend using aptitude instead of apt-get, especially when you get into dependency problems |
| 19:47.36 | lynucs | justin: http://phpfi.com/343158 here is the source.list |
| 19:48.05 | enouf | n3kl: well, it was about a 1:1 transcoding time on my p2 :-{ .. so an hour video took a bit more than an hour to re-encode and grew to be twice the size :-P |
| 19:48.06 | dusty_ | Can anyone see a way to improve on these rules or does anyone have any advice/comments about them ? http://rafb.net/p/FucSMY32.html I am looking to see if i am doing this correctly and if the rules are in the right places ? |
| 19:48.20 | lynucs | the backports were used for etch, but after changing etch to lenny in sources.list i commented them out |
| 19:48.21 | stew | lynucs: this problem is also seemingly being discussed on debian-devel: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2008/08/msg00346.html |
| 19:48.45 | cambazz | hello. under /usr/lib there is a file pt_chown that is suid root |
| 19:48.51 | cambazz | anyone knows what this is |
| 19:48.55 | cambazz | it is not a file, or dir |
| 19:49.13 | justin | yeah, manually dpkg -i perl-base and perl-modules was going to be my next suggestion |
| 19:49.31 | keith4 | cambazz: it's a setuid root executable |
| 19:49.40 | lynucs | stew, justin: i'll try this out |
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| 19:49.51 | keith4 | cambazz: it's part of libc6 |
| 19:49.55 | cambazz | well this debian is starting to piss me off |
| 19:50.02 | cambazz | I said apt-get remove postgresql |
| 19:50.03 | cambazz | it did |
| 19:50.08 | cambazz | the thing is still running |
| 19:50.12 | cambazz | i am gentoo user |
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| 19:50.25 | justin | lynucs: you should have them in /var/cache/apt/archives/ otherwise get it from http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/p/perl/perl-base_5.10.0-11.1_i386.deb |
| 19:50.34 | xingu | wonders if ipsec still deadlocks in 2.6.26 |
| 19:50.47 | justin | cambazz: the name of the package is not postgresql |
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| 19:50.59 | justin | cambazz: dpkg -l postg* |
| 19:51.08 | keith4 | cambazz: there are several component packages that are part of postgres |
| 19:51.15 | stew | justin: the name of the package is postgresql |
| 19:51.25 | justin | stew: well, the metapackage is called postgresql |
| 19:51.39 | justin | aptitude install postgresql;aptitude remove postgresql may work, but not with apt-get |
| 19:51.42 | xingu | spose I better extrude cranium from sphincter and go find out |
| 19:52.01 | enouf | n3kl: the workaround is to simply start 2 mplayers (one each in their own xterm/whatever), one for viewing, one for dumpstream ;-) .. i basically gave up on the playback+dump to file, since even the #mplayer folk had an egg over it :-P |
| 19:52.08 | pickcoder | sphinterchraniosus |
| 19:52.10 | pickcoder | heh |
| 19:52.13 | muddd | lol |
| 19:52.14 | cambazz | well yes I see |
| 19:52.23 | n3kl | enouf: ahh, makes sense |
| 19:52.24 | jpinx | I still can not get the debian box to connect to my windows desktop |
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| 19:52.38 | enouf | xingu: can be painful - careful :-P |
| 19:52.57 | n3kl | the pcie 2.0 makes a world of difference. I have maxed 4x controllers, but I think that was before the 2.0 spec |
| 19:53.00 | jpinx | justin: How do I sort out this in explorer on teh Windows box? |
| 19:53.11 | justin | jpinx: same as before \\server\name |
| 19:53.13 | enouf | n3kl: although you do recall amphi's nice addendums to the youtube script, right? |
| 19:53.22 | xingu | n3kl: it's not just double bandwidth; it's also half latency... |
| 19:53.23 | justin | jpinx: you've never mapped a drive in windwos before? |
| 19:53.25 | enouf | n3kl: oh heck yeah |
| 19:53.29 | n3kl | enouf: I didn't get to check them out before I rebooted |
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| 19:53.36 | jpinx | justin - where am I enterering \\server\name? |
| 19:53.42 | justin | jpinx: in the location field? |
| 19:53.47 | enouf | !tell n3kl -about youtube script |
| 19:53.50 | justin | jpinx: you know, like where it says c:\ ? |
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| 19:53.55 | muddd | jpinx, what would you describe as your level of computer experience with windows? |
| 19:53.57 | jpinx | justin: I have no idea what |
| 19:53.58 | CutMeOwnThroat | enouf, when you say they had an egg over it, that makes me assume it was not sunny-side-up |
| 19:54.05 | n3kl | xingu: yeah, nice |
| 19:54.06 | jhaluska | On the barest installs, is crond not running? |
| 19:54.11 | jpinx | muddd: a user |
| 19:54.15 | muddd | :) |
| 19:54.16 | enouf | CutMeOwnThroat: correct :-P |
| 19:54.30 | keith4 | jpinx: are you trying to mount a samba share on the command line? |
| 19:54.31 | jpinx | justin: I have a command line in windows now |
| 19:54.43 | muddd | jpinx, on the left of your windows explorer, do you see the network neighborhood icon? |
| 19:54.44 | justin | jpinx: yeah, that was 20 minutes ago, you don't need that anymore |
| 19:54.47 | enouf | i can't say all mplayer folk, just a few i talked with in channel there |
| 19:54.56 | jpinx | keith4: how else to do it? |
| 19:55.00 | n3kl | Still, hardware raid has always scared me. I might have to take a second look at it and possibly move my md raid to something better |
| 19:55.00 | keith4 | justin: what is he trying to do? |
| 19:55.11 | justin | keith4: map a drive served by samba |
| 19:55.18 | pickcoder | that will definately put PCI-X to the back |
| 19:55.19 | keith4 | jpinx: could probably do it using gnome, although i wouldn't be able to tell you how |
| 19:55.24 | keith4 | justin: oh, ok |
| 19:55.30 | justin | keith4: might be easier to just have him run the net use command, I just forget the syntax |
| 19:55.32 | muddd | it should show up in the network neighborhood.... am i muted or something? |
| 19:55.49 | jpinx | muddd: Connexiones en red? |
| 19:55.50 | n3kl | enouf: are you an op or something? Thats cool that dpkg knows about it now |
| 19:55.50 | keith4 | net use Y: \\server\share ? |
| 19:55.56 | justin | keith4: yeah, something like that |
| 19:56.04 | keith4 | muddd: what was that? you were all muffled |
| 19:56.06 | muddd | me no habla spanish heh |
| 19:56.06 | jpinx | is working on a spanish XP box |
| 19:56.10 | muddd | oh great :) |
| 19:56.25 | muddd | my capslock is broke |
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| 19:56.40 | lynucs | justin, stew : ok, the manual dpkg -i ran through for packages perl, perl-base and perl_modules |
| 19:56.41 | jpinx | muddd: I have the local areaconnections open now |
| 19:56.51 | lynucs | what should i try as next? |
| 19:56.56 | stew | lynucs: aptitude -f install |
| 19:57.08 | keith4 | jpinx: if you just open windows explorer, and put \\<ip address> in the address field, you should be able to find the share |
| 19:57.21 | keith4 | using the IP of your debian box |
| 19:57.27 | justin | keith4: he needs to put \\server\username |
| 19:57.35 | enouf | xingu: oh? half-latency? nice .. if it actually benchmarks as such, you know how easy it is to just make claims for these insane clown posse hidden spec secret hardware writing orgs/associations/whatever |
| 19:58.02 | justin | default samba config has browsable= no for [homes] |
| 19:58.02 | keith4 | ohhhh yah |
| 19:58.02 | keith4 | that's dumb |
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| 19:58.02 | justin | I suppose he could just change that though, he seems to be better at changing stuff on linux :) |
| 19:58.02 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, everyone can add factoids |
| 19:58.03 | enouf | n3kl: no, anyone can add, edit dpkg factoids |
| 19:58.03 | justin | keith4: nah, it makes sense when you have lots of users |
| 19:58.07 | keith4 | true |
| 19:58.21 | CutMeOwnThroat | n3kl, not everyone can add good and useful factoids, though :-P |
| 19:58.22 | n3kl | news to me |
| 19:58.29 | enouf | n3kl: well, i think you need to be atleast a registered user |
| 19:58.58 | lynucs | the aptitude -f install ran through too.. should i again apt-get dist-upgrade?? |
| 19:59.03 | jpinx | keith4: that gets me the http server on the debian box |
| 19:59.05 | n3kl | ah, which I am |
| 19:59.10 | justin | lynucs: sure |
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| 19:59.13 | keith4 | jpinx: wrong slashes |
| 19:59.35 | enouf | well, they friggin changed the default on this, the Freenode Network, a few months ago, so now even non-regged slime can SPAM you in PM, so i set /mode mynick +E |
| 19:59.43 | Warp4 | jpinx, dont use a web browser |
| 20:00.14 | n3kl | enouf: what is E |
| 20:00.14 | helo | following '/m dpkg nvidia lenny', when installing nvidia-kernel-2.6.25-2-686....deb, it says the package requires nvidia-kernel-common, which isn't available |
| 20:00.20 | xingu | enouf: they just halved the cycle time - no particular magic |
| 20:00.23 | Warp4 | if you are using Gnome, I find it's best to use Places -> Connect to Server |
| 20:00.29 | Warp4 | then select Windows Share |
| 20:00.36 | enouf | n3kl: it means non-regged users can't PM you |
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| 20:00.43 | n3kl | AH |
| 20:00.46 | n3kl | Nice |
| 20:00.49 | enouf | n3kl: i don't know the literal translation |
| 20:01.18 | n3kl | meh |
| 20:01.27 | dusty_ | anyone ? |
| 20:01.36 | helo | where can i get nvidia-kernel-common in lenny? |
| 20:01.37 | enouf | xingu: hrm .. me really needs to go back and read things in detail , they keep changing it on me!! :-p |
| 20:01.39 | sladi_ | helo: It's in Lenny and Sid |
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| 20:01.56 | helo | i can't find it with aptitude search, or install it by that name |
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| 20:02.30 | vadmeste | Hi |
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| 20:02.36 | vadmeste | I have a difficult question |
| 20:02.37 | stew | helo: /msg dpkg pdo ; /msg dpkg search |
| 20:02.42 | sladi_ | helo: According to Debian page it is in Lenny. You could download the Sid package too. |
| 20:02.55 | vadmeste | I would like to download a iso DVD from internet |
| 20:03.03 | vadmeste | but I don't have disk space |
| 20:03.21 | vadmeste | can I burn the ISO directly to the DVD ? |
| 20:03.28 | enouf | n3kl: the default used to be +E was set for all regged users, but not anymore (changed a few months back), anyways, at that time, a non-regged user could see a PM from you, to them, but no vice-versa... so, perhaps it's that way once you set that mode again ;-) |
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| 20:04.12 | enouf | goes out for a few .. bbl |
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| 20:04.37 | Saar | I get this interesting error: http://pastebin.com/d1cbb9d5a any idea how to solve this? I have been tuning various kernel parameters to no avail (oracle10 on debian stable) |
| 20:04.53 | xingu | enouf: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3192&p=2 - 2x clock rate (where both peripheral and host are pcie2) |
| 20:05.10 | Saar | oops sorry |
| 20:05.14 | Saar | wqrong channel |
| 20:06.43 | helo | hmm... i seem to be retarded an unable to operate "aptitude search nvidia-kernel-common" |
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| 20:06.54 | lynucs | justin, stew : thank you guys, dist-upgrade is running now. hope it runs through. thank you for your great assistance on that |
| 20:06.55 | xingu | enouf: it's also the reason I actually held off any pcie1.0 purchases whatsoever; a 2.5GHz clock is laughably slow (in latency terms) to me |
| 20:07.15 | justin | helo: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=nvidia-kernel-common |
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| 20:07.21 | justin | helo: you have contrib in your sources.list? |
| 20:07.43 | helo | bah |
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| 20:08.08 | xingu | enouf: well, not entirely true, I bought a couple of notebooks; but desktop hardware wise, I held off until ddr3/x48 shipped. |
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| 20:12.06 | dusty_ | Can anyone see a way to improve on these rules or does anyone have any advice/comments about them ? http://rafb.net/p/FucSMY32.html I am looking to see if i am doing this correctly and if the rules are in the right places ? |
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| 20:15.41 | dcestari | anyone developing xpcom |
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| 20:17.21 | dcestari | ? |
| 20:17.27 | dcestari | there is no mozilla-xpcom |
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| 20:17.58 | buntfalke | can anyone tell me that kicker applet for runaway processes? apt-cache refuses to find it for me :-) |
| 20:18.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | "kill"? |
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| 20:20.49 | buntfalke | CutMeOwnThroat: ... |
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| 20:22.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | "xkill"? |
| 20:22.14 | keith4 | killall! |
| 20:22.28 | CutMeOwnThroat | kill -9 -1 |
| 20:22.32 | CutMeOwnThroat | :-P |
| 20:22.46 | CutMeOwnThroat | use as root to kill all possible runaway processes |
| 20:23.01 | jelly-home | CutMeOwnThroat: pkill or killall might be a bit nicer |
| 20:23.20 | jelly-home | buntfalke: what's wrong with top or htop anyway? |
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| 20:24.22 | jelly-home | htop is even clickable |
| 20:24.28 | keith4 | ooooh, pretty |
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| 20:25.19 | CutMeOwnThroat | can click on any application |
| 20:25.53 | r0b | how would i flush the dns cache on debian? |
| 20:26.03 | buntfalke | jelly-home: they require my attention. |
| 20:26.18 | CutMeOwnThroat | r0b, try /etc/init.d/dns-clean |
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| 20:26.45 | CutMeOwnThroat | not sure if that does anything useful, tho |
| 20:26.55 | r0b | no such file |
| 20:27.22 | jelly-home | buntfalke: you did ask for an applet. gui kinda implies interactivity |
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| 20:28.21 | buntfalke | jelly-home: it would run a check every n seconds checking for a process which looks like it went crazy. like a forgotten flash applet in a browser or so. |
| 20:28.35 | buntfalke | jelly-home: it implies interactivity - but not my attention. |
| 20:28.47 | buntfalke | top is quite interactive as well. |
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| 20:30.00 | jelly-home | buntfalke: I have a small cpu usage applet, that + top + sudo kill seems to do it |
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| 20:31.06 | buntfalke | jelly-home: sure - i thought of that too, but i would need to look at this graph again - i want it to do certain checks, and notify me if something looks suspicious. |
| 20:31.29 | keith4 | monit could probably do that |
| 20:31.40 | CutMeOwnThroat | r0b, nevermind, I just see that this does something else - the name had me on the wrong track |
| 20:31.44 | buntfalke | i am sometimes just too absorbed by my task to notice this stupid $vendor website sucking out my battery life cause i forgot the tab open |
| 20:31.45 | jelly-home | buntfalke: define those checks, and you'll have half the way to writing the app ;-) |
| 20:31.57 | buntfalke | keith4: thanks, i'll have a look |
| 20:32.09 | keith4 | i know it can act on a run-away process, anyway |
| 20:32.24 | jelly-home | knows of no such tool |
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| 20:32.36 | buntfalke | jelly-home: oh - i already started writing it - i just dont like adressing solved issues, you know? |
| 20:32.45 | g0to | hi there! |
| 20:32.57 | jelly-home | buntfalke: /me nods |
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| 20:33.31 | enouf | xingu: (back now) thanks much for the link .. |
| 20:33.52 | enouf | oo.. more info |
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| 20:34.13 | buntfalke | keith4: seems to do what i want. thanks |
| 20:34.28 | g0to | I'm looking for a good filesystem that satisfy myself on my purposes |
| 20:34.37 | g0to | mmm, sound sexy |
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| 20:34.59 | notas | hey guys |
| 20:35.02 | notas | recently I'm getting an "undefined video mode" error on boot; it only lets me choose resolutions below 800x600 and startx gives me a blank screen |
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| 20:35.06 | enouf | xingu: hrm, i thought pcie 1.0 (i guess) was at 100MHz, tunable (by a few MHz) in the (some) BIOS(es) |
| 20:35.14 | notas | im using sid |
| 20:35.38 | keith4 | why are you using sid, if you don't know how to fix X? |
| 20:35.45 | g0to | I want to share a partition where I'll save all my multimedia stuff and access from Linux and XP |
| 20:35.59 | notas | well, im not sure if this is an x11 problem |
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| 20:36.34 | notas | ive tried a few things (different drivers, etc) and have the same issue |
| 20:36.36 | jelly-home | g0to: ext2 works (www.fs-driver.org), or ntfs perhaps |
| 20:36.37 | keith4 | what is the "it" in " it only lets me choose resolutions below 800x600"? |
| 20:37.08 | keith4 | notas: pastebin the x11 log |
| 20:37.27 | jelly-home | g0to: if your files are smaller than 2GiB, even vfat will do |
| 20:37.30 | g0to | jelly-home: I'm thinking about ext3 or NTFS. I read some about but I'm looking for real experiences |
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| 20:37.42 | notas | oh, when its booting the kernel, it says "undefined video mode" and gives me a list of resolutions to choose from |
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| 20:37.44 | enouf | xingu: this seems to be slightly revised (mentions 2.0 spec), but i need to read it again ;-) http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_PCI_Express.html |
| 20:38.06 | notas | normally i use vga=893 but that doesnt work anymore |
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| 20:38.22 | jelly-home | g0to: I didn't know there was a free driver for ext3 for windows |
| 20:38.25 | g0to | jelly-home: I think ext3 will do the job. There's a Windoze driver |
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| 20:39.17 | jelly-home | g0to: the one from fs-driver.org doesn't support ext3, even though if might appear to work |
| 20:39.45 | notas | ok i'll get it in a sec |
| 20:39.47 | jelly-home | disappears |
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| 20:39.59 | enouf | xingu: and .. i've even heard some people have found their laptop pcie expresscard[tm] link was actually offloaded to the usb bus :-{ |
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| 20:41.05 | enouf | "... PCMCIA ExpressCard {ExpressCard is the new form factor for PCMCIA Circuit Cards and will utilize either USB and PCI Express buses.}" <-- ugh |
| 20:41.17 | g0to | jelly-home: I read that ext2fsd works and it's free |
| 20:41.43 | zinx | either and... first time i've seen that combination |
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| 20:42.00 | zinx | nevermind that express cards have nothing to do with pcmcia *or* cardbus |
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| 20:42.07 | pumpkin0 | enouf: the slot has both interfaces. Some card use one, some the other. |
| 20:42.24 | scintilla | byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 20:42.25 | enouf | pumpkin0: that's totally false advertizing though |
| 20:42.29 | notas | keith4: http://pastebin.com/d6ff0145d |
| 20:42.47 | enouf | the USB Controller is SouthBridge tied, and suffers from PCI bottlenecking |
| 20:43.15 | pumpkin0 | enouf: yes and no. Does a lying manufacture surprise you ? |
| 20:43.29 | enouf | well, atleast all the ones i know about ... heh, no, not really |
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| 20:44.14 | keith4 | notas: did that get cut off at the end? |
| 20:44.21 | enouf | but when orgs, secret hardware spec societes spew standards, then allow the OEMs to lie their asses off .,.. no wonder i refer to them as Craptops , heh |
| 20:44.21 | pumpkin0 | enouf: and it is a very cheap way to get a USB-Expresscard: just a empty box with cables and a USB-plug. Sold for ... 50$ ? |
| 20:45.16 | pumpkin0 | enouf: the slot always has to provide USB and pcie. So the craptops are not the real problem. |
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| 20:45.28 | notas | keith4: thats the full log |
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| 20:45.30 | enouf | pumpkin0: i'm aware of the 2 differing pinout/connections .. but is that what determines which Bus/Interface will be used? |
| 20:45.44 | pumpkin0 | enouf: the card can chose freely. |
| 20:45.45 | enouf | pumpkin0: why?, that's silly |
| 20:45.55 | enouf | now .. that's even stupid |
| 20:45.59 | keith4 | notas: it's trying to startx @ 640x480, on CRT-0 |
| 20:46.40 | keith4 | notas: pastebin your xorg conf |
| 20:46.40 | enouf | kicks and stomps OEMs, Craptops, and All secret hardware societies |
| 20:46.51 | notas | okay |
| 20:46.54 | pumpkin0 | enouf: well ... you have a low speed and a high speed link. low speed stuff can use USB and save power, the rest can use PCIe 1x. |
| 20:47.13 | \amethyst | sounds more like the card manufacturer wants to save money by using USB instead of PCIe |
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| 20:47.23 | enouf | is PCIe x1 all it's offering? ugh ugh ugh |
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| 20:47.49 | enouf | pumpkin0: and don't expresscard craptops also have USB ports? |
| 20:47.57 | cambazz | hello. what is the difference between apt-get and apptitute |
| 20:48.10 | pumpkin0 | enouf: sure, yes. |
| 20:48.21 | \amethyst | !why aptitude |
| 20:48.22 | dpkg | aptitude has more advanced conflict/dependency resolution than other tools, it has far more advanced searching available, and will automatically uninstall unneeded dependencies, read /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README for more info. Aptitude can also remove or purge one package at the same time as installing others all from the command line, making it much easier to recover from broken dependencies. |
| 20:48.22 | stew | cambazz: "/msg dpkg why aptitude" |
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| 20:48.24 | \amethyst | !why not aptitude |
| 20:48.24 | dpkg | Aptitude has many bugs, such as #299009, which other APT frontends do not have. Also, aptitude currently does not have equivalents for "apt-get source" and "apt-get build-dep". |
| 20:48.31 | enouf | throws hands up in the air .. |
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| 20:49.07 | enouf | cambazz: the debian reference also explains a bit about it .. but yeah, as the factoids say is the meat |
| 20:49.22 | pumpkin0 | enouf: and now for the total killer: http://www.pcworld.com/article/128401/external_pciexpress_graphics_for_laptops.html |
| 20:49.57 | cambazz | when I install my system freshly, how do I do the gentoo equivalent of emerge --sync (this updates portage cache to the latest tree) |
| 20:50.00 | lynucs | have again an error on dist-upgrade: http://phpfi.com/343178 |
| 20:50.08 | notas | keith4: http://pastebin.com/m4edcc285 |
| 20:50.13 | lynucs | anyone clue how to continue? |
| 20:50.14 | hramrach_ | pumpkin0: it's to be expected, there are slots for that |
| 20:50.18 | enouf | pumpkin0: haha .. i think i'll wait to hear raves from the guinea pigs O_O |
| 20:50.26 | stew | is #299009 really a good reason to steer someone away? |
| 20:50.35 | lynucs | ah sorry, it's german, will redo in english |
| 20:50.37 | notas | keith4: i havent needed to edit the file myself, i'd just used the nvidia installer before |
| 20:50.46 | keith4 | you what? |
| 20:50.48 | pumpkin0 | hramrach: it connects a PCIe16x card over a PCIe1x link. It is downright stupid. |
| 20:50.51 | keith4 | you used the nvidia installer? |
| 20:51.00 | notas | im using nvidia binary drivers |
| 20:51.03 | keith4 | you're on your own |
| 20:51.04 | enouf | pumpkin0: O M G .. lmao ... haha |
| 20:51.09 | stew | cambazz: aptitude update |
| 20:51.18 | keith4 | notas: good luck with that |
| 20:51.23 | notas | well, i could try using something else |
| 20:51.34 | hramrach_ | pumpkin0: given the lack of PCIe1x cards it's not so much |
| 20:51.44 | notas | i think the problem is not with the drivers though |
| 20:51.47 | \amethyst | cambazz: I don't know exactly what it does, perhaps aptitude update and/or apt-cache update |
| 20:52.07 | lynucs | here is the error output of the dist-upgrade in english: http://phpfi.com/343180 |
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| 20:52.12 | CdK1 | ji * |
| 20:52.12 | pumpkin0 | cambazz: you want a fresh list of packages or you want all the new packages installed ? |
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| 20:52.22 | lynucs | if anyone can give hint, would be great |
| 20:52.24 | \amethyst | cambazz: what does emerge sync download? Package lists, file lists, or the packages themselves? |
| 20:52.25 | keith4 | notas: i'd probably start by fixing the problems on line 19 and 22 in your log |
| 20:52.36 | notas | keith4: that undefined video mode error happens when booting the kernel, so i dont see how that could be an X problem |
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| 20:52.40 | cambazz | pumpkin0: \amethyst> cambazz: what does emerge sync download? Package lists, |
| 20:52.40 | cambazz | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:52.40 | cambazz | 22:53 < keith4> notas: i'd probably start by fixing the problems on line 19 and |
| 20:52.40 | cambazz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:52.49 | notas | keith4: okay i'll take a look |
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| 20:52.57 | cambazz | pardon me |
| 20:53.02 | keith4 | in the future, don't use the nvidia installer |
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| 20:53.40 | keith4 | especially if you're running sid... because the drivers are probably packaged for that kernel. or you could use module-assistant |
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| 20:53.52 | muddd | oh what a dick |
| 20:53.56 | CdK1 | |
| 20:53.57 | CdK1 | Some used splashutils with a kernel 2.6.26 or higher to take * tty with themes? |
| 20:54.00 | jaalto | Where can I enable autoraise in Gnome? |
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| 20:54.13 | notas | keith4: well, im not using the sid kernels anyway |
| 20:54.34 | keith4 | ugh |
| 20:54.36 | notas | but yeah, that makes sense |
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| 20:54.47 | justin | jpinx: preferences->window |
| 20:55.00 | CdK1 | aneybody? |
| 20:55.18 | notas | keith4: you have any idea about the video mode error? |
| 20:55.19 | Gryflhase | Is there a tool, to display the bandwith-usage of the pci and or usb-bus ? |
| 20:55.41 | muddd | wootie mcwooterson |
| 20:55.41 | jaalto | justin: Got it. Thanks |
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| 20:56.36 | newsense | where can i get a quick list of supported wireless network cards ? |
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| 20:57.54 | enouf | newsense: http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_alles.php |
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| 20:58.07 | enouf | newsense: but you likely want an atheros or ralink chipset |
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| 20:58.22 | newsense | i need manufacturer and model# |
| 20:58.24 | enouf | oh wait - i can't comment on wifi, i get myself into trouble |
| 20:58.31 | newsense | kinda in a hurry to beat store cosing |
| 20:58.32 | htmlol | kicked in the ass |
| 20:58.33 | htmlol | so fast |
| 20:58.37 | htmlol | it's not even FUNNY |
| 20:58.41 | enouf | kicks Nyle 's friend rahul |
| 20:58.42 | muddd | huh? lol |
| 20:58.45 | htmlol | oh. sorry guys wrong window. |
| 20:58.46 | htmlol | lol |
| 20:58.56 | muddd | MmmHmm |
| 20:59.03 | jpinx | shit - gaim crashed when I tried to open the samba share :( |
| 20:59.03 | enouf | !spank htmlol |
| 20:59.04 | dpkg | bends htmlol over her knee and delivers a mighty *THWACK* |
| 20:59.09 | muddd | no way |
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| 20:59.16 | newsense | enouf: thanks |
| 20:59.31 | htmlol | makes several foreign-looking strange apologetic gestures including bowing and genuflecting |
| 20:59.32 | muddd | weird |
| 21:00.05 | muddd | dpkg is a girlbot eh? |
| 21:00.06 | dpkg | muddd: I give up, what is it? |
| 21:00.07 | muddd | fembot |
| 21:00.08 | htmlol | yes. |
| 21:00.16 | htmlol | no she's not a fembot |
| 21:00.20 | enouf | !gender |
| 21:00.20 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
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| 21:00.23 | muddd | lol |
| 21:00.25 | enouf | O_o |
| 21:00.30 | muddd | it has all the answers |
| 21:00.37 | muddd | heshe? |
| 21:00.40 | htmlol | just because you're attracted to her doesn't mean you should say it's offensive |
| 21:01.15 | muddd | fembot as in austin powers female robot with guns that shoot out of the boobies |
| 21:01.17 | jpinx | samba is not allowing writing to the XP box |
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| 21:02.34 | muddd | yeah i said it, boobies |
| 21:02.36 | muddd | :p |
| 21:02.52 | muddd | i'll shutup now |
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| 21:03.27 | uniwiz | How would I get latest version of python on debian etch? What (or where can I lookup) the repos that would have it? |
| 21:03.53 | beardy | !backport |
| 21:03.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, backport is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port, http://backports.org/. Ask me about <simple sid backport> and <backport caveat>, <backports.org> |
| 21:04.04 | beardy | uniwiz: ^^^ |
| 21:04.04 | stew | uniwiz: "aptitude install python2.5" |
| 21:04.18 | stew | a backport of python is not going to be feasible |
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| 21:04.23 | htmlol | I see python in the sid repositories. |
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| 21:05.02 | uniwiz | ty |
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| 21:06.56 | cambazz | how do we tell aptitude to upgrade everything to the latest available packages |
| 21:07.09 | stew | cambazz: aptitude upgrade |
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| 21:07.24 | htmlol | hehe |
| 21:07.35 | newsense | enough thanks again good site got it bookmarked. :) |
| 21:07.52 | newsense | err enouf |
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| 21:09.03 | cambazz | stew: thanks a bunch man. I know I have been pain in the ass but .. i am taking careful notes and will not ask the same question ever again |
| 21:09.16 | stew | cambazz: not a problem |
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| 21:09.39 | lynucs | what is the proper lenny way to install nvidia drivers? use the official nvidia .bin? |
| 21:10.20 | _mel_ | Hello. i have a problem with lvm and device mapper. if i create a disk container within a lvm volume. the partition mapping are created automaticly on /dev/mapper (like with kpartx). this destroys the drbd devive. how can i disable automaticly creation ob partition mappings |
| 21:10.20 | cambazz | stew: i tried to uninstall postgres by hand and deleted /usr/lib the last time, so I started over an image file again |
| 21:10.37 | gionn | lynucs, apt-get install nvidia-kernel-source, compile them with module-assistant, apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 21:10.43 | gionn | i've done it yesterday |
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| 21:10.55 | cambazz | how do we say aptitute search postgre* |
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| 21:11.08 | cambazz | (show all packages that start with postgre*) |
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| 21:11.50 | enouf | newsense: no prob |
| 21:12.22 | lynucs | gionn: is that the open driver? or the official? |
| 21:12.30 | enouf | newsense: still, don't let that be an end all, ask others about the specific one you're interested in |
| 21:12.37 | gionn | lynucs, the binary one |
| 21:12.52 | gionn | is the same you can find on nvidia.com |
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| 21:12.57 | CutMeOwnThroat | cambazz, we say "aptitude" for a start :-P |
| 21:13.01 | stew | cambazz: "aptitude search 'postgre*'" would work, "aptitude search 'postgre*~i'" would limit the search to installed packages |
| 21:13.02 | lynucs | nvidia-kernel- *source* made me suspiciuos oO |
| 21:13.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | cambazz, aptitude search ^postgre |
| 21:13.10 | stew | cambazz: "deleted /usr/lib"? all of /usr/lib? |
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| 21:13.30 | htmlol | hahaha |
| 21:13.32 | cambazz | stew: yes, i fixed it now. |
| 21:13.40 | gionn | lynucs, the kernel interface must be open, 'cause it needs to be compiled on every kernel |
| 21:13.47 | newsense | enouf: decided to send my breother to the store and use that page to narrow down the ones we can get thatll work :) |
| 21:13.55 | lynucs | gionn: E: Package nvidia-kernel-source has no installation candidate |
| 21:13.56 | stew | cambazz: something else must have deleted all of /usr/lib |
| 21:13.57 | lynucs | ;) |
| 21:14.04 | CutMeOwnThroat | stew, postgre* doesn't limit to start of packet-name |
| 21:14.10 | cambazz | stew: I did it by rm -rf |
| 21:14.10 | lynucs | is there any special repo i should use? |
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| 21:14.32 | enouf | newsense: tell him to buy a few, anfd return the ones you don't wnat :-P |
| 21:14.54 | newsense | wish i had that kinda dough lol |
| 21:15.01 | newsense | i mean haha |
| 21:15.19 | enouf | newsense: CC ftw |
| 21:15.31 | CutMeOwnThroat | good thing is they kill your brother 'n not you when he returns 9/10 cards |
| 21:15.35 | enouf | newsense: otherwise you need to do MUCH more research |
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| 21:15.48 | gionn | lynucs, i think you should add sid repository :P |
| 21:15.59 | newsense | bad credit :( |
| 21:16.12 | infinitycircuit | CutMeOwnThroat, ^postgre* |
| 21:16.21 | enouf | newsense: your brother too? |
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| 21:16.38 | newsense | hes a young one still |
| 21:16.38 | CutMeOwnThroat | infinitycircuit, ^postgre |
| 21:16.56 | enouf | newsense: ahh virgin debtor, they love those ;-) |
| 21:17.13 | newsense | hahaha thats how i got my bad credit |
| 21:17.39 | newsense | back on topic, who makes a good wireless card, belkin ?> |
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| 21:17.54 | lynucs | gionn: hmm.. is it *the* way by using lenny? |
| 21:18.10 | ReKlipz1 | I'm having issues with adding my debian box to use AD |
| 21:18.15 | htmlol | linkysys. |
| 21:18.19 | htmlol | linksys.* |
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| 21:18.39 | gionn | lynucs, the unique alternative is using the nvidia.com binary |
| 21:19.04 | gionn | i prefer using package from sid than the nvidia script that i don't know exactly where it puts files |
| 21:20.41 | infinitycircuit | !tell lynucs -about nvidia_lenny |
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| 21:34.34 | zenwryly | I'm getting "E: Unable to find a source package for python-imaging" from apt. Any suggestions? I do have the deb-src line |
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| 21:34.57 | zenwryly | "deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free" |
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| 21:38.25 | lynucs | built and installed nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-3_i386.deb with dpkg -i, but on try to install the nvidia-glx_173.14.09-3_i386.deb, get an error telling me http://phpfi.com/343196 |
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| 21:39.06 | lynucs | what's now the problem actually? |
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| 21:39.26 | gionn | lynucs, you didn't installed the deb produced after building of nvidia-kernel-sources |
| 21:39.51 | gionn | or it failed building for some reason |
| 21:39.59 | gionn | like you don't have kernel-headers installed |
| 21:40.09 | mar77i | hi, how do I output all files installed with a package with apt-cache (or dpkg)? |
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| 21:40.52 | SeveredCross | mar77i: dpkg -L package-name |
| 21:40.59 | F6F | are you using the metric system in GB? |
| 21:41.29 | lynucs | gionn: well i have 3 new debs in my directory built the nvidia-kernel-sources and nvidia-glx-de and nvidia-glx |
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| 21:42.00 | mar77i | SeveredCross, thx |
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| 21:43.34 | becki | /bin/sh: ./install: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: Permission denied <-- why doesn't it work? /bin/sh points to /bin/bash which exists and is usable |
| 21:43.51 | internat2 | root? |
| 21:44.11 | becki | as a user |
| 21:44.30 | becki | and as root i doesn't work either |
| 21:44.47 | internat2 | hmms.. cant help then.. that was my 1 second suggestion before i hleave for work :) |
| 21:44.50 | internat2 | goodluck though ) |
| 21:44.55 | becki | thanks anyway |
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| 21:47.08 | lynucs | can anyone paste somewhere a lenny-sources.list? |
| 21:47.37 | lynucs | somehow, i can't even install kernel-headers oO |
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| 21:47.55 | becki | lynucs: of cource |
| 21:47.57 | lynucs | or should i take it from sid? |
| 21:48.03 | lynucs | is confused |
| 21:48.05 | infinitycircuit | lynucs, linux-headers is what you want |
| 21:48.08 | infinitycircuit | from lenny |
| 21:48.13 | cambazz | is there a good tutorial on how to setup a mail server? preferably something like postmap / and imap access |
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| 21:50.48 | joltcan | I don't know about that, but it reminds me of my plans to do one |
| 21:51.25 | cambazz | joltcan: did you say to me? |
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| 21:52.01 | cambazz | joltcan: it used to be postfix and courier-imap, but now there is something better called dovecot that replaces the courier-imap |
| 21:52.27 | car_watt | i would like to know if its possible that a domain could be blocked because the TLD doesnt have the whois server implemented |
| 21:53.02 | micols | how do i just make ONE module in /usr/src/linux instead of make moules&&make modules_install ? |
| 21:53.04 | car_watt | i mean, to add a domain to a "black list" i havent seen anything like that yet, and you? |
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| 21:53.17 | lynucs | the error still exists http://phpfi.com/343196 |
| 21:53.26 | lynucs | really strange |
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| 21:53.57 | lynucs | nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 isn't installed, true.. but nvidia-kernel-173.14.09-3 is |
| 21:54.13 | mmu_man | hmm WTF I *just* want to run hg! http://rafb.net/p/QEYbEd66.html |
| 21:54.20 | infinitycircuit | lynucs, what is the output of apt-cache policy nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 |
| 21:54.25 | lynucs | and that files are provided after apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 21:54.31 | mmu_man | that's quite a lot of deps for an SCM ;) |
| 21:54.46 | infinitycircuit | mmu_man, aptitude install --without-recommends mercurial |
| 21:54.59 | mmu_man | thanks I was about to dig the manpage |
| 21:55.11 | mmu_man | can't be done from the CUI ? |
| 21:55.24 | lynucs | infinitycircuit: installed: none, candiate none and versionstable is emoty |
| 21:56.20 | infinitycircuit | mmu_man, i have no idea. never used synaptic or whatever its called in my life |
| 21:56.23 | mmu_man | infinitycircuit ah, if I use + in the mercurial page and go down to the deps and unfold the recommendations I can select which I want or disable them |
| 21:56.35 | mmu_man | well it's on a server |
| 21:56.40 | infinitycircuit | oh you mean the aptitude gui. never used that either haha |
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| 21:56.44 | mmu_man | (which is why I don't really want libx11 |
| 21:57.02 | mmu_man | well it's quite easy with curses |
| 21:57.22 | mmu_man | I'm just not used to the extended commands and shortcuts |
| 21:57.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | micols, you don't - if there's a separate package for module x, it will be made in /usr/src/x |
| 21:57.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | make that /usr/src/modules/x |
| 21:58.04 | infinitycircuit | micols, make oldconfig && make prepare && make scripts && make M=./patch-to-module-dir-in-kernel-tree |
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| 21:58.43 | mmu_man | indeed, removing recommendations leaves only hg itself and libxi6 and libxtst6 |
| 22:00.23 | CutMeOwnThroat | micols, but in /usr/src/linux , you'll always make all (although you might only compile one, if things were compiled previously and you just applied a patch - but I think kpkg will do everything all over) |
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| 22:00.56 | micols | i dont use kpkg even though im in debian channel :) |
| 22:01.04 | micols | but running debian etch |
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| 22:02.54 | infinitycircuit | micols, did you try what i told you? |
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| 22:05.22 | micols | infinitycircuit: make[1]: *** [oldconfig] Error 1 |
| 22:05.35 | micols | make oldconfig && make prepare && make scripts && make M=./drivers/media/video/saa7134/saa7134-alsa.c |
| 22:05.38 | infinitycircuit | micols, it gave an error make oldconfig? |
| 22:05.43 | infinitycircuit | wtf why would it do that |
| 22:05.51 | infinitycircuit | excuse my language |
| 22:05.55 | micols | because i wasnt root probably, sorry :) |
| 22:06.37 | micols | infinitycircuit: http://rafb.net/p/wZaFcN35.html |
| 22:06.40 | micols | this it it now. |
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| 22:07.24 | infinitycircuit | micols, i may have given you the wrong order...it may be make scripts and then make prepare |
| 22:07.39 | infinitycircuit | sorry |
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| 22:08.00 | SlashV | Advice requested: for a new server that will be put in a remote rack somewhere should I install lenny beta or etch in order to have the most seemless upgrade to lenny stable later on ? |
| 22:08.03 | micols | infinitycircuit: still does the same :( |
| 22:08.17 | micols | tried switching make prepare and make scripts |
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| 22:08.24 | drako | is there any way to put music and photos to your iphone? |
| 22:08.32 | infinitycircuit | micols, that's odd. it's always worked for me. is this a clean source tree? |
| 22:08.53 | micols | infinitycircuit: no, i have compiled the kernel and this is what it is all about i guess i dont want to recompile the whole thing |
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| 22:09.03 | micols | but i can do make modules&&make modules_install without errors |
| 22:09.15 | Pavlz | hello |
| 22:09.26 | Pavlz | i need help |
| 22:09.31 | infinitycircuit | micols, you can try it post make clean or just build all the modules |
| 22:09.36 | infinitycircuit | !ask | Pavlz |
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| 22:09.58 | micols | hm i need to get audio on my pwc philips webcam which should be very well supported under linux. |
| 22:10.16 | micols | and saa7134 audio module loaded didnt give anything, after reinserting pwc module |
| 22:10.21 | Pavlz | is there here any that got a laptop and use wi-fi pcmcia card ? |
| 22:10.26 | micols | video is fine, /dev/video0 |
| 22:10.32 | vorpal | is it possible to install a xen kernel during a normal installation (i.e. from CD) ? |
| 22:10.34 | infinitycircuit | Pavlz, i have a very old one that i used to use |
| 22:10.36 | Pavlz | and if yes, which one ? |
| 22:10.44 | micols | Pavlz: atheros 54mbit |
| 22:10.53 | Pavlz | which ? |
| 22:10.54 | infinitycircuit | vorpal, you can if you boot expert mode from a business or netinst |
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| 22:11.26 | vorpal | infinitycircuit: thanks! |
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| 22:12.40 | micols | Pavlz: linux.rlogin.org/lspciath |
| 22:12.43 | Pavlz | micols which card pcmcia wi-fi atheros do you use ? name, model, chipset, firmware, version |
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| 22:12.52 | micols | its 52xx or something |
| 22:13.05 | pingouin_ | ls |
| 22:13.13 | pingouin_ | sorry |
| 22:13.18 | infinitycircuit | pingouin, /bin |
| 22:13.30 | jthomas | I cannot send mail on my Debian Etch 4.0; i get errors with the Exim log not having the correct permissions. Does anyone recognize this? |
| 22:13.37 | micols | oh well might as well paste it when im on it: 02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 22:13.51 | micols | for other to know in case they need a working atheros chipset for linux :) |
| 22:14.11 | micols | there are some nonsupported atheros chipsets out there, but 5xxx should be supported i think |
| 22:15.52 | micols | jthomas: please post your full log somewhere, nopaste (type nopaste) in your browser title and it will find the url :) |
| 22:16.25 | jthomas | actually its about two weeks worth of logs with this issue.... thanks micols but i am going to put it off until tomorrow now that i know its been so long already |
| 22:16.51 | Pavlz | there is a big log |
| 22:16.57 | micols | heh no problem, i have played a little with sendmail,postfix,exim but cannot help you unless you provide logs |
| 22:17.19 | Pavlz | but nothing about your pcmcia |
| 22:17.34 | micols | Pavlz: 02:06.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. AR5212 802.11abg NIC (rev 01) |
| 22:17.49 | mmu_man | troll troll troll! http://www.osnews.com/story/20184/Interview_with_Andrew_Tanenbaum_Creator_of_MINIX :) |
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| 22:17.52 | micols | Pavlz: any 52xx chipset should do im fairly sure |
| 22:17.54 | Pavlz | where do you bought ? |
| 22:18.02 | mmu_man | anyone up for a Debian/MINIX ? ;) |
| 22:18.15 | Pavlz | shit minix |
| 22:18.27 | micols | Pavlz: at ebay for $11 about 1/6 the price of an intel card but much better. |
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| 22:18.50 | micols | and about $15 including postage from uk to denmark :) |
| 22:19.27 | Pavlz | ebay, fuck the, i bought a linksys wpc55ag and they sended me in italy a linksys wpc54gx-uk version 2.0 that i can't to use |
| 22:19.28 | infinitycircuit | please keep on topic/tone down the language |
| 22:20.23 | micols | mmu_man: did you say typespeed? |
| 22:20.32 | dusty_ | http://rafb.net/p/61SvtD29.html Is that the correct way to log using iotables ? |
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| 22:21.41 | Pavlz | netgear wag511 what do you think about ? |
| 22:21.42 | micols | dusty_: http://rafb.net/p/1HzO8Z41.html |
| 22:21.55 | micols | that would give you a fairly good log. |
| 22:22.02 | mmu_man | micols what ? |
| 22:22.06 | mmu_man | private joke ? |
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| 22:23.47 | micols | mmu_man: its in apt |
| 22:23.56 | mmu_man | so what ? |
| 22:24.08 | micols | might as well ask the same about your question. |
| 22:24.23 | micols | didn't seem to be support related |
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| 22:25.11 | mmu_man | [23:40] -ChanServ- [#debian] Welcome to #Debian. This is a discussion channel; |
| 22:25.14 | mmu_man | ^^^ |
| 22:25.39 | cambazz | hello. how do I get list of running services. something like 'rc-status all' |
| 22:25.40 | mmu_man | anyway |
| 22:25.48 | micols | cambazz: ps aux |
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| 22:26.21 | cambazz | micols: :) well other than that how can I see which of the RC services are active? |
| 22:26.22 | micols | or perhaps services(1) |
| 22:26.30 | micols | or netstat |
| 22:27.41 | dusty_ | micols, can you explain that paste ? |
| 22:27.44 | micols | uh, services(5) |
| 22:27.49 | dusty_ | micols, what they do mean ? |
| 22:28.39 | lynucs | !lenny_nvidia |
| 22:28.54 | infinitycircuit | !nvidia_lenny |
| 22:28.54 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 22:29.02 | lynucs | argh ;) |
| 22:29.09 | micols | anyone can get wine to run with fglrx ati driver? |
| 22:29.19 | dusty_ | i have |
| 22:29.20 | micols | my opengl just crashes immediately and my xorg desktop |
| 22:29.22 | dusty_ | its just worked |
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| 22:29.30 | micols | same with xscreensaver until recently. |
| 22:29.30 | dusty_ | micols, can you explain the pastebin ? |
| 22:30.21 | micols | dusty_: logs dropped packets |
| 22:30.35 | lynucs | used the !nvidia_lenny way to install nvidia driver.. everything works fine, even dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-3_i386.deb, but dpkg -i nvidia-glx_173.14.09-3_i386.deb fails with dpkg: Fehler beim Bearbeiten von nvidia-glx (--install): Abhängigkeitsprobleme - lasse es unkonfiguriert |
| 22:30.42 | lynucs | oh sorry |
| 22:30.53 | micols | prerouting is after before translation and postrouting is after |
| 22:31.00 | lynucs | thought i had an url |
| 22:31.02 | micols | prerouting is before translation and postrouting is after |
| 22:31.33 | lynucs | this is the paste: http://phpfi.com/343196 |
| 22:31.59 | CutMeOwnThroat | cambazz, ls /etc/rc2.d/ ... but of course that just means it was started, not that itruns |
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| 22:32.38 | benf2004 | t/opc #apache |
| 22:32.41 | benf2004 | haha |
| 22:32.46 | benf2004 | well, i failed there :D |
| 22:33.33 | YeTr2 | lynucs: go the module-assistant route. |
| 22:34.16 | lynucs | !module-assistant |
| 22:34.16 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install .deb packages with them, or aptitude install module-assistant build-essential && m-a prepare |
| 22:34.41 | YeTr2 | lynucs: after the intall of module_assistant; run `m-a a-i nvidia` |
| 22:35.11 | YeTr2 | it should automagically compile and install the relevant nvidia stuffs.. I think |
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| 22:35.46 | lynucs | YeTr2: thank you, i'm on it |
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| 22:39.32 | lynucs | YeTr2: xserver still says "failed to load module "nvidia"" oO |
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| 22:41.57 | YeTr2 | lynucs: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log please |
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| 22:43.31 | cambazz | I just installed postfix, but there is no main.cf |
| 22:43.34 | puff | So, I'm using spamassassin/pyzor/razor/amavisd to filter spam coming in via postfix. |
| 22:44.05 | puff | In theory I have a cron.daily job that updates the recipes, but it seems like every few months (like right now) I start seeing hundreds of spams get through. |
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| 22:44.41 | puff | How do I a) make sure that the cron job was actually run, b) make sure that the cron job successfully downloaded updates to the recipes? |
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| 22:46.54 | YeTr2 | puff: 1) make sure your user is actually running cron jobs, 2) remember that cron's enviroment is different, don't use things like ~/bin/script, ~ isn't set normally. |
| 22:47.47 | YeTr2 | lynucs: ? |
| 22:47.52 | puff | YeTr2: "your user"? |
| 22:48.33 | lynucs | YeTr2: http://phpfi.com/343216 |
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| 22:49.53 | puff | YeTr2: Can you expand on your comment? |
| 22:49.54 | lynucs | was copypasting the whole page for page from ssh :) since i don't know how to copy in terminal without x |
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| 22:53.36 | lynucs | YeTr2: curiously, i can run modprobe -v nvidia which doesn't seem to have any problems |
| 22:54.23 | lynucs | YeTr2: here is the modprobe -v nvidia output: http://phpfi.com/343218 |
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| 22:58.28 | lynucs | is it lenny or is it me |
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| 23:07.23 | cambazz | hello. i installed postfix-pcre but what do I have to do after installing it |
| 23:07.36 | cambazz | i think there is a command in debian to configure it but |
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| 23:10.22 | lynucs | wtf.. tried the lenny way described here too: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 23:10.31 | lynucs | still can't startx |
| 23:10.59 | puff | Where does cron log to? |
| 23:11.03 | lynucs | oh.. worked |
| 23:11.04 | puff | I see no /var/log/cron.log. |
| 23:11.22 | comp | puff: depends on your syslog configuration .. |
| 23:11.35 | pat5star | puff: just logs to daemon.log for me |
| 23:11.43 | puff | comp: AFAIK it's just vanilla debian. |
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| 23:12.31 | puff | H. |
| 23:12.32 | puff | Hm. |
| 23:12.55 | puff | well, where would output from a cron.daily script be sent? |
| 23:13.06 | abrotman | root unless you specify otherwise |
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| 23:13.48 | abrotman | or rather .. wherever you have root's mail going |
| 23:14.01 | abrotman | but you can set MAILTO to make it go elsewhere |
| 23:14.14 | abrotman | anyone there? |
| 23:14.19 | abrotman | *chirp* |
| 23:14.36 | puff | Hm. |
| 23:14.48 | puff | abrotman: Sorry, I was off trying to figure that out:-0. |
| 23:15.01 | abrotman | sorry?! |
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| 23:15.12 | abrotman | takes back his answers! |
| 23:15.25 | Nyle | man |
| 23:15.30 | avu | unread them! now! |
| 23:15.30 | Nyle | curlftpfs is slow as balls |
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| 23:15.38 | Nyle | even on localhost :/ |
| 23:16.02 | puff | abrotman: No, I was off trying to figure out a) what syslog is set to, b) where root mail might be. |
| 23:16.10 | puff | Oddly enough, syslog.conf: #cron.* /var/log/cron.log |
| 23:16.24 | avu | puff, notice the # at the beginning |
| 23:16.27 | puff | I don't remember commenting that out, and the file mod date is 2002 so I guess that's what it was from the start. |
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| 23:16.31 | abrotman | grep root /etc/aliases |
| 23:16.39 | siefny | hi somebody good know mbr??? |
| 23:16.40 | puff | avu: Yeah, that's the odd part :-). |
| 23:16.46 | avu | ah :) |
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| 23:17.24 | puff | abrotman: ah, yeah, root is forwarded to puff. Okay, so I'm not seeing any cron daemon mail about the spamasassin update stuff in my puff mailbox. |
| 23:17.39 | Nyle | anyone else get a ctcp |
| 23:17.42 | avu | puff, are you surte it even generates output? |
| 23:17.53 | puff | avu: No, that's what I'm trying to figure out. |
| 23:17.57 | avu | puff, mail is only sent when a command does |
| 23:18.01 | Amranu | gahh |
| 23:18.03 | Amranu | great |
| 23:18.04 | puff | I'm using spamassassin/pyzor/razor/amavisd to filter spam coming in via postfix. In theory I have a cron.daily job that updates the recipes, but it seems like every few months (like right now) I start seeing hundreds of spams get through. How do I a) make sure that the cron job was actually run, b) make sure that the cron job successfully downloaded updates to the recipes? |
| 23:18.13 | Amranu | dirmngr refuses to uninstall :( |
| 23:18.18 | puff | Btw, I had to hand-roll the cron.daily job, so I know it's in /etc/cron.daily, but I'm not certain it's actually running properly. |
| 23:18.38 | avu | puff, syslog tells you that |
| 23:18.51 | avu | puff, even with the line you showed us commented out, the message is still logged |
| 23:19.04 | avu | puff, just somewhere else, /var/log/syslog for example |
| 23:19.33 | Amranu | can anyone help me with an error I'm having trying to uninstall 'dirmngr'? |
| 23:19.38 | lynucs | startx works without xorg installed?? |
| 23:19.43 | lynucs | what the... |
| 23:20.00 | abrotman | Amranu: need more info |
| 23:20.04 | Amranu | can give it |
| 23:20.37 | harpal | lynucs: it may work if you have x86 installed. means you have Xserver package is installed. if not then it not start |
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| 23:21.03 | Amranu | so, dirmngr has been set to autoremove, cause I installed KDE, didn't like it, and removed it. Have an error trying to autoremove |
| 23:21.06 | Amranu | (Reading database ... 156810 files and directories currently installed.) |
| 23:21.06 | Amranu | Removing dirmngr ... |
| 23:21.06 | Amranu | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.06 | Amranu | invoke-rc.d: initscript dirmngr, action "stop" failed. |
| 23:21.06 | Amranu | dpkg: error processing dirmngr (--remove): |
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| 23:21.07 | dpkg | amranu: That isn't an error, post the whole output to a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin). |
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| 23:21.26 | abrotman | !paste |
| 23:21.26 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
| 23:21.30 | Amranu | oops |
| 23:21.38 | Amranu | anyway, yeah |
| 23:21.45 | lynucs | harpal: you mean x11? |
| 23:21.56 | harpal | yes |
| 23:22.06 | puff | avu: hm, I don't see any indication of it being run in syslog. |
| 23:22.30 | Amranu | I've also tried removing using force-all in dpkg, doesn't work either |
| 23:22.33 | abrotman | puff: is this an item in cron.daily ? |
| 23:22.37 | puff | abrotman: Yes. |
| 23:22.42 | avu | puff, have you tried crude measure like grep cron /var/log/syslog? :-) |
| 23:22.43 | abrotman | Amranu: force-all should almost never be used |
| 23:22.46 | abrotman | puff: what's the name of the script? |
| 23:22.48 | puff | avu: Yes. |
| 23:22.56 | puff | abrotman: /etc/cron.daily/spam_updaterules.sh |
| 23:23.00 | abrotman | puff: take out the . |
| 23:23.05 | puff | abrotman: Er, leave off the .sh. |
| 23:23.06 | abrotman | it'll run tonight |
| 23:23.08 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 23:23.29 | puff | abrotman: yeah, actually, you were the one who told me that several months ago,when I first wrote it :-) |
| 23:23.31 | lynucs | i am here about 3 hours fighting with nvidia modules after etch-lenny dist-upgrade.. and found out that i do not have xorg anymore :D |
| 23:23.32 | puff | abrotman: Thanks again. |
| 23:23.36 | avu | puff, well then either understand your syslog.conf or do an even cruder 'grep cron /var/log/*' |
| 23:23.42 | abrotman | maybe _ is bad |
| 23:23.47 | abrotman | but ok |
| 23:23.55 | abrotman | it is executable ? |
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| 23:24.27 | avu | puff, just running the script directly from the shell as root produces the desired results? |
| 23:25.00 | puff | abrotman: Yes. It's a link to /etc/spamassassin/updaterules.sh, could that be a problem? |
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| 23:25.31 | abrotman | meh .. maybe |
| 23:25.36 | avu | puff, well, that's easy to test |
| 23:25.42 | avu | just do what cron does |
| 23:25.42 | puff | avu: Hm, no, it gives me an error about "Can't locate HTTP/Request.pm in @INC" |
| 23:25.52 | avu | cd / && run-parts --report /etc/cron.daily |
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| 23:26.12 | Amranu | I have this error trying to uninstall dirmngr, anyone know how to fix this? http://paste.debian.net/14707/plain/14707 |
| 23:26.13 | avu | and/or read the run-parts manpage |
| 23:26.14 | lynucs | what is the debian synaptic like shell tool? |
| 23:26.21 | lynucs | forgot |
| 23:26.24 | avu | lynucs, aptitude |
| 23:26.27 | Amranu | aptitude |
| 23:26.29 | lynucs | avu: ;) nah |
| 23:26.33 | avu | yes. |
| 23:26.37 | avu | you might also mean apt-get |
| 23:26.42 | avu | but you really want aptitude ;) |
| 23:26.55 | lynucs | avu: no, it's some shell-"gui"-tool |
| 23:26.57 | blameless | poor apt-get. no love these days |
| 23:27.00 | Nyle | hah, synaptic like shell tool, thats aptitude |
| 23:27.01 | lynucs | that i mean |
| 23:27.03 | avu | lynucs, aptitude then |
| 23:27.05 | Nyle | apt-get doesn't have a frontend |
| 23:27.10 | Nyle | or does it? |
| 23:27.17 | Amranu | don't think so |
| 23:27.19 | avu | apt-get *is* a frontend, actually. |
| 23:27.25 | lynucs | i can swear i used another one |
| 23:27.25 | Nyle | to dpkg |
| 23:27.27 | avu | but let's not get anal. |
| 23:27.27 | Amranu | well yeah, besides that |
| 23:27.29 | Nyle | or apt |
| 23:27.29 | blameless | dselect? |
| 23:27.34 | Nyle | one of them |
| 23:27.43 | Amranu | who uses dselect? |
| 23:27.50 | Nyle | people. |
| 23:27.52 | avu | noone anymore. thank gods. |
| 23:27.55 | Amranu | heh |
| 23:28.05 | puff | avu: that tries to run a whole slew of stuff... amavisd-new requests a passwd:, and it isn't happy with my sudo passwd. |
| 23:28.20 | Amranu | no one can help me with that error? |
| 23:28.21 | avu | puff, well, you have to run that as root of course |
| 23:28.23 | abrotman | avu: there's a guy in here that swears by it |
| 23:28.25 | jbinder | Is it bat to compile my own kernel? |
| 23:28.27 | jbinder | bad* |
| 23:28.29 | lynucs | no really, i am sure i used another alias for that |
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| 23:28.31 | abrotman | Amranu: you can comment out that line |
| 23:28.37 | jbinder | When kernel updates come along will that mess stuff up? |
| 23:28.40 | abrotman | jbinder: not bad .. so much as usually no good reason |
| 23:28.41 | Amranu | alright, I'll try that |
| 23:28.45 | puff | avu: Doh, of course. Sorry. |
| 23:28.45 | lynucs | even if it actually _is_ aptitude |
| 23:28.49 | avu | abrotman, I bet there's also a guy in here that used twm.. |
| 23:28.58 | abrotman | you say that like it's bad :)_ |
| 23:28.58 | puff | avu: I've been using ubuntu on my laptop, gotten out of the habit. |
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| 23:29.03 | jbinder | abrotman: I have a good reason but will kernel updates mess it up? |
| 23:29.08 | jbinder | When I apt-get upgrade? |
| 23:29.09 | Nyle | approx how many DD are there? |
| 23:29.09 | puff | twm? I used fvwm. |
| 23:29.14 | abrotman | jbinder: no .. because you'll have to do it yourself |
| 23:29.18 | abrotman | Nyle: /msg dpkg dstats sid |
| 23:29.23 | Nyle | ok |
| 23:29.47 | Nyle | thats a new one for me |
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| 23:29.57 | abrotman | it's not common |
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| 23:30.17 | Nyle | but every maintainer isn't a full DD |
| 23:30.21 | Amranu | who here is using Sid? |
| 23:30.28 | Nyle | !tell Amranu -about polls |
| 23:30.42 | Nyle | abrotman, 1977 |
| 23:30.47 | abrotman | Nyle: not any more .. but it used to be |
| 23:31.00 | abrotman | you just asked for a rough guess! |
| 23:31.05 | abrotman | Amranu: lots of people .. just ask |
| 23:31.06 | Nyle | ok ok! |
| 23:31.08 | Nyle | :) |
| 23:31.19 | puff | avu: Hm, I su'd to root and ran run-parts, it's just hanging there with no output. |
| 23:31.35 | avu | puff, well, of course it is, if there are longer-running tasks |
| 23:31.47 | avu | puff, as I said, that's exactly what cron does, see /etc/crontab |
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| 23:32.19 | avu | puff, you can observe its side effects to see if your script is running. or just sprinkle your script with an echo if that's not easily made |
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| 23:33.03 | puff | avu: Hm. |
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| 23:33.49 | avu | puff, of just add -v to the run-parts call, I did tell you to read the manpage ;) |
| 23:33.56 | Amranu | that works, thanks abrotman |
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| 23:34.20 | diabel- | wow 833 people |
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| 23:34.25 | diabel- | Hi all :) |
| 23:34.36 | dFence_ | hey.. to update a svn-checkout i do "svn update" in the checkout-root, right? |
| 23:34.49 | avu | dFence_, not really a debian question but yes |
| 23:34.56 | dFence_ | avu: thanks. |
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| 23:37.11 | diabel- | I'am really newbie in debian, can someone tell me It's possible to have unstable package(for example - squid3) If I have (for example) etch?Does apt install squid3 and depends from sid or only squid3 (and maybe It will be working?) |
| 23:39.14 | avu | diabel-, you would need a backport |
| 23:39.23 | avu | and if one doesn't exist, you need to make one yourself |
| 23:39.27 | avu | !tell diabel- about backports |
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| 23:39.45 | diabel- | avu: thanks :) |
| 23:39.47 | abrotman | diabel-: what's wrong with squid in etch ? |
| 23:39.49 | avu | !tell diabel- about ssbp |
| 23:40.17 | abrotman | !tell diabel- about bpo |
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| 23:40.50 | abrotman | diabel-: backports.org is usually preferred to your own backports |
| 23:41.49 | diabel- | abrotman: I had some strange situation... long time a go I have clean etch, and I need squid3 so I done - apt-get install squid3 but this squid was named like "pre" or something like that, but I needed squid3 stable |
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| 23:42.32 | diabel- | but I don't want to upgrade all packages to lenny / sid... that why I ask :) |
| 23:42.40 | abrotman | yes .. use backports |
| 23:42.43 | diabel- | ;] |
| 23:42.45 | diabel- | ok |
| 23:42.48 | diabel- | thanks a lot |
| 23:42.49 | abrotman | uhm .. wait |
| 23:42.58 | puff | avu: Ah, got the same "Can't locate HTTP/Request.pm in @INC " error. Now wtf? |
| 23:43.14 | puff | avu: Since that's invoking stuff built-into spamassasssin. Hm. |
| 23:43.16 | avu | puff, well, you seem to be missing a perl module |
| 23:43.21 | abrotman | diabel-: yeah .. fi you want squid3 .. you'll have ot make your own backport .. is it really worth the effort? |
| 23:43.41 | avu | puff, try 'perl -MHTTP::Request -e 1' from the shell as root |
| 23:43.56 | diabel- | abrotman: I could compile it, but I want package ;) |
| 23:44.03 | avu | puff, to make sure that it's not some evil messing around with @INC that produces the error |
| 23:44.07 | abrotman | diabel-: right .. but why do you *need* squid3? |
| 23:44.13 | diabel- | and... I forgot about "option" - compile |
| 23:44.30 | diabel- | abrotman: I like squid3 better than squid2 |
| 23:44.35 | avu | puff, (if it works, there should be no output, otherwise the same error will be shown) |
| 23:44.42 | lynucs | okay.. my result for dist-upgrade etch->lenny: 7 hours of my live :) |
| 23:44.48 | puff | avu: Yeah, same error. |
| 23:44.50 | abrotman | diabel-: well .. not a great reason .. buit that's your call |
| 23:44.58 | diabel- | yes, I could youse squid2 but I think that a have problem with some option |
| 23:45.03 | diabel- | in squid3 |
| 23:45.08 | diabel- | squid2* |
| 23:45.20 | diabel- | I had* |
| 23:45.27 | puff | avu: so I guess I can just fire up -MCPAN, but I wonder how the heck this dependency was missed. |
| 23:45.32 | avu | puff, install libwww-perl then |
| 23:45.39 | avu | puff, don't do that |
| 23:45.46 | avu | puff, always use debian packages if you can |
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| 23:46.00 | puff | avu: Oka. |
| 23:46.01 | diabel- | sorry for my English but You must understand that I'm from poland (this "exotic, strange" country) |
| 23:46.12 | alraune | siefny: master boot record ? |
| 23:46.17 | puff | It says libwww-perl is already installed. |
| 23:46.35 | puff | avu: Debian oughta have a special -MCPAN hack that checks for apt packages :-). |
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| 23:47.03 | avu | puff, hm, then maybe your default @INC is messed up? you have a /usr/share/perl5/HTTP/Request.pm ? |
| 23:47.55 | avu | puff, if yes, check if "perl -le 'print for @INC'" shows /usr/share/perl5 |
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| 23:48.13 | peppe | puff: well, there's http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/ , it's not the same thing but may be useful |
| 23:48.14 | puff | avu: Hm, nope, no Request.pm at all under /usr/share/perl5. |
| 23:48.36 | avu | puff, then your installation of libwww-perl got messed up I guess, reinstall the package |
| 23:48.40 | puff | Maybe I should reinstall it. |
| 23:48.43 | puff | Very odd. |
| 23:49.41 | avu | puff, just noticed, it's /usr/share/perl5/HTTP/Request.pm not, as you said, a 'Request.pm in /usr/share/perl5', right? :) |
| 23:51.06 | puff | avu: I said "under", I used find. |
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| 23:51.15 | avu | puff, (also, do you know your nick means 'brothel' in german? ;)) |
| 23:51.22 | puff | avu: Hee, that's great. |
| 23:51.23 | avu | puff, ok, just making sure :) |
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| 23:52.36 | avu | puff, anyway, aptitude reinstall libwww-perl should fic the issue? |
| 23:52.36 | puff | avu: In english, it refers to small atmospheric amount,e.g. "puff of air", "puff of smoke", etc, and is the name of a character in a children's song ("Puff the Magic Dragon"). |
| 23:52.38 | jbinder | What kernel is in Debian Lenny right now? |
| 23:52.38 | avu | fix even |
| 23:52.44 | avu | puff, yeah I know :) |
| 23:52.54 | avu | well, ok, except for the last part :) |
| 23:54.08 | puff | avu: The song is widely believed to be about marijuana, but the author of the song denied such, and the song itself was written well before significant marijuana use or the marijuana drug culture existed. |
| 23:54.36 | puff | avu: Hackers, meanwhile, have a parody of the song called _Puff the Fractal Dragon_, referring to the Dragon Fractal (which vaguely resembles chinese dragon illustrations). |
| 23:54.40 | Nyle | please take it to #debian-offtopic |
| 23:55.01 | avu | puff, heh |
| 23:55.13 | puff | avu: Appears to have fixed it, though I got an odd error from apt. |
| 23:55.14 | jbinder | How can I find out? |
| 23:55.23 | Nyle | jbinder, packages.debian.org |
| 23:55.29 | jbinder | I tried searching |
| 23:55.33 | Nyle | try harder |
| 23:55.34 | jbinder | "kernel" ? |
| 23:55.43 | Nyle | 'linux-image' |
| 23:55.48 | jbinder | O_o |
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| 23:56.03 | Nyle | used to be called kernel-image, but the name was changed. |
| 23:56.14 | Nyle | sarge/etch switch I think |
| 23:56.26 | puff | http://pastebin.com/d6722eb84 |
| 23:56.44 | jbinder | Aww, .25 :( |
| 23:56.57 | Nyle | jbinder, make your own |
| 23:57.04 | Nyle | jbinder, /msg dpkg kp |
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| 23:57.31 | avu | puff, well, two errors actually. the first is about a missing python module in apt-listchanges |
| 23:57.38 | puff | Yoiks, 8pm already. |
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| 23:57.51 | puff | I didn't know apt was written in python. |
| 23:57.52 | avu | puff, do you have compiled your python yourself or is it from the archives? |
| 23:58.16 | avu | puff, it isn't. |
| 23:58.16 | avu | puff, apt-listchanges is |
| 23:58.16 | jbinder | Nyle: Is that with .27 or still the current version .25? |
| 23:58.16 | puff | Ah. |
| 23:58.16 | jbinder | .27rc3 |
| 23:58.16 | jbinder | I need that |
| 23:58.17 | puff | It should be from the archives. |
| 23:58.19 | Nyle | so build it... |
| 23:58.26 | avu | puff, (which is a script to display changelogs on apt runs, you should know it since you explicitly installed it, it's not used by default) |
| 23:58.37 | Nyle | puff, why specifically do you require .27? |
| 23:58.40 | puff | Generally speaking, I try to keep everything as close to apt aspossible. |
| 23:58.46 | Nyle | oops |
| 23:58.50 | Nyle | jbinder, * |
| 23:58.54 | puff | Nyle: I don't :-). |
| 23:59.00 | jbinder | Nyle: .27rc3 comes with ath9k |
| 23:59.05 | jbinder | ath9k has problems with .26 |
| 23:59.14 | avu | puff, hm, well, then we may have another case of a fiel gone missing here :( |
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| 23:59.33 | jbinder | Nyle: But normally new kernel stuff is done through apt-get dist-upgrading on Debian. If I compile .27rc3, what will happen when a new kernel comes out for testing and I dist-upgrade? |
| 23:59.35 | theocrite | file $(find {/usr,}/*bin -iname '*apt*') |
| 23:59.39 | jbinder | It won't go to .26? |
| 23:59.43 | Nyle | jbinder, you'll be fine |
| 23:59.45 | puff | avu: That's one of the reasons I've always wanted to brush off my C programming and work on apt. I want to add installation comments, so you can log why you installed something. |
| 23:59.50 | jbinder | Nyle: :o |
| 23:59.52 | Nyle | jbinder, you did read the factoid, did you not? |