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| 00:00.36 | Benzi | can anyone help me get electricsheep working with twinview? |
| 00:01.01 | Benzi | I am using two monitors on my xorg server, and I want to use the electric sheep screensaver |
| 00:01.42 | tokyoeye | has anyone ever checked the opensolaris,*bsf upgrade procedure? I believe this is what we should have in debian: a stable os that we can return to in case a dist-upgrade fails. |
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| 00:05.54 | Viking667 | tokyoeye: heh. I can do that without solaris... |
| 00:06.05 | Viking667 | I just have to have TWO partitions suitable for that. |
| 00:06.31 | Viking667 | i.e. one to boot, one to upgrade-boot-upgrade_other_side |
| 00:07.02 | lithophyte | I've got a bootable usb stick (made it with debootstrap) for those bad times when unstable breaks |
| 00:08.00 | tokyoeye | Viking667, it would be so unbelievably awesome to do this in debian! |
| 00:10.09 | Led_Zeppelin | anyone? |
| 00:10.15 | Led_Zeppelin | does Debian maintain a network cache for its devices? |
| 00:10.32 | tokyoeye | lithophyte, so what happens if you have to boot this usb stick in case a machine with 3000 customers dies? replace the usb stick? replace the whatever????? |
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| 00:11.15 | lithophyte | I'm only a desktop user :) |
| 00:12.16 | tokyoeye | lithophyte, and that's awesome! some people try to use debian as a server os and i'm slowly losing my faith :-( |
| 00:12.19 | elik | Hum, gotta love it.. my x server kinda died on me... I can see my slightly see my cursor when I move it, or if I issue a command |
| 00:12.22 | elik | (alt-tab) |
| 00:12.35 | elik | Any idea what process I should kill, I have access to vts |
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| 00:15.02 | elik | gnome-screensaver, yarrr! |
| 00:15.17 | lithophyte | look at .xsession-errors? |
| 00:15.31 | sharp15 | anyone have a sec to explain or tell me how to find logrotate's (or equivalent) config relating /var/log/messages ? |
| 00:16.27 | tokyoeye | check /etc/logrotatd.d/* |
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| 00:17.31 | tokyoeye | sharp15, probably something like /etc/logrotate.d/syslog* |
| 00:17.58 | sharp15 | thank you. |
| 00:18.13 | tokyoeye | Shadur, 60 euro |
| 00:18.17 | sharp15 | that explains why i have Dec 6 entries in my messages file. |
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| 00:19.13 | tokyoeye | Shadur, nevermind |
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| 00:19.17 | sharp15 | also it's 205MB. i guess i need to clean that out more. |
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| 00:19.58 | tokyoeye | sharp15, logrotate is a great script |
| 00:20.22 | sharp15 | it's working on gentoo, just not on my debian box. |
| 00:21.42 | tokyoeye | sharp15, paths, etc maybe your debian box finally has selinux enabled? |
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| 00:22.40 | sharp15 | tokyoeye: there isn't a syslog config in /etc/logrotate.d/ |
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| 00:23.16 | b52 | where can i find a vsftpd package with atleast 2.0.7 ? |
| 00:23.36 | sharp15 | though that may not be it. |
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| 00:24.27 | tokyoeye | sharp15, check /etc/logrotated.d/ (path my be a bit of; i'm on an opensolaris bos now : http://www.genunix2.org/distributions/indiana/osol-0811-95.iso ) |
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| 00:26.12 | sharp15 | tokyoeye: the directory exists and the files in it are similar to my gentoo box. |
| 00:26.30 | sharp15 | there just isn't a config for syslog-ng or anything similar. |
| 00:26.38 | curtmack | fsck just ran (mandatory 35th mount scan), and it seemed to have found some kind of error, which was so bad it had to reboot... |
| 00:26.45 | curtmack | but before I could read what the error was it reboot. |
| 00:26.52 | curtmack | And then Debian booted up fine. |
| 00:27.07 | curtmack | Does fsck log its results anywhere? |
| 00:27.40 | peppe | curtmack: surprisingly, /var/log/fsck/ |
| 00:27.41 | slidesinger | Is there a howto for installing to compact flash? The standard installer does not seem to work, even using a bootable ide adapter. |
| 00:27.48 | tokyoeye | sharp15, the files in this dir determine log rotatino s o check th files |
| 00:28.21 | curtmack | peppe: That woudl be the obvious place to look... thanks |
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| 00:29.19 | sharp15 | tokyoeye: i used grep to search for "sys" and "mes" but no return. |
| 00:29.21 | curtmack | hmm... but both of those logs indicate that it's perfectly clean |
| 00:29.28 | curtmack | maybe it wasn't fsck that error'd then |
| 00:29.53 | jwisher | I made a useraccount, when I su to it, the console outputs "bash: /dev/null: Permission denied" about 100 times. any idea how I can find the cause? |
| 00:30.00 | curtmack | which I guess is good, because if it were fsck, it would mean my HDD is toast. |
| 00:30.06 | sharp15 | i'll just write one. |
| 00:30.14 | sharp15 | starts expecting disaster. |
| 00:30.22 | curtmack | although it's odd that there's nothing in syslog about it |
| 00:30.34 | peppe | jwisher: that doesn't sound good, ls -l /dev/null ? |
| 00:30.54 | jwisher | "crwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1, 3 2007-11-13 21:33 /dev/null" |
| 00:31.01 | jwisher | is that the right settngs? |
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| 00:31.09 | curtmack | nope |
| 00:31.14 | curtmack | I have 666 |
| 00:31.18 | jwisher | ty |
| 00:31.19 | peppe | jwisher: not at all, it should be 666 |
| 00:31.21 | curtmack | crw-rw-rw |
| 00:31.23 | curtmack | - |
| 00:31.33 | curtmack | sudo chmod 666 /dev/null |
| 00:31.36 | curtmack | should clear it up |
| 00:31.48 | peppe | jwisher: what's going on on your system? did you modify it? |
| 00:31.53 | tokyoeye | sharp15, not sure how is works on gentoo but on rh and centos you can put thins in /etc/logrotate.conf and /etc/logrotated.d/ (or like thatl on solaris now) |
| 00:32.01 | jwisher | a new admin decided to chmod/chown / |
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| 00:32.18 | curtmack | chmod -R? |
| 00:32.21 | jwisher | yes |
| 00:32.22 | curtmack | that's, uh, bad |
| 00:32.36 | sharp15 | tokyoeye: it looks like its just a file sitting in logrotate.d |
| 00:32.38 | jwisher | so I've been going through all of the software/files resetting everyting |
| 00:33.02 | jwisher | and this is why I've now setup sudo, I didn't see the point before. |
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| 00:33.22 | tokyoeye | sharp15, logrotate is just a little program that rotates the logs. it's not a big issue |
| 00:33.59 | sharp15 | yeah. except vim takes a few minutes to load the messages file. |
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| 00:34.20 | sharp15 | dmesg appears to be getting rotated though. no config for it either. |
| 00:34.28 | tokyoeye | sharp15, vim had nothing to do with the file |
| 00:34.29 | tokyoeye | s |
| 00:34.49 | sharp15 | no the 205M file size does. |
| 00:35.23 | tokyoeye | sharp15, i've eddited +3Gb files with vim so no worries |
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| 00:36.56 | Viking667 | dmesg is a kernel thing... |
| 00:37.14 | Viking667 | operates on a ring-buffer principle, I _think_ |
| 00:37.29 | sharp15 | how do i get apt to tell me which packages are installed? |
| 00:37.43 | Viking667 | you don.t. You use dpkg for that. |
| 00:37.51 | Viking667 | dpkg -L |
| 00:37.51 | dpkg | Viking667: I wish you would RTFM. |
| 00:38.01 | tokyoeye | sharp15, dpkg --get-selections |
| 00:38.03 | Viking667 | ...? Oops. |
| 00:39.09 | sharp15 | thank you. |
| 00:39.28 | sharp15 | no logrotate config because it wasn't installed. |
| 00:39.36 | Viking667 | ah. |
| 00:39.42 | tokyoeye | sharp15, you can feed this to apt after a new instal |
| 00:39.44 | tokyoeye | l |
| 00:39.46 | sharp15 | now on to figuring out how syslog was uninstalled. |
| 00:39.47 | curtmack | jwisher: so I don't suppose you have any backups? :) |
| 00:39.54 | Viking667 | I wasn't aware there was a bot in here called dpkg. My apologies. |
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| 00:43.16 | quitte | anyone bored enough to join #trivia? |
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| 00:48.18 | djs | Hey all. Does etch come with a firewall installed? |
| 00:48.54 | stew | djs: the kernel is able to do firewalling, but no such firewalling would be setup by default |
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| 00:49.07 | djs | I am used to seeing system-config-firewall on most distros. |
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| 00:50.44 | tokyoeye | djs, try fedora, debian does not have a default iptables configuration |
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| 00:51.16 | djs | Did I say I *wanted* a firewall? I came from Fedora because it is unstable on my laptop. |
| 00:52.36 | lithophyte | put #!/bin/sh iptables-restore < /etc/firewall.conf in /etc/network/if-up.d/iptables |
| 00:52.59 | Xttor | When I try to compile Firefox I get "configure: error: zip not found in $PATH" |
| 00:53.02 | verblendet | djs, its easy to set up a firewall |
| 00:53.02 | lithophyte | then put your iptables rules in /etc/firewall.conf |
| 00:53.04 | Xttor | What to do? |
| 00:53.38 | djs | Thank you for the suggestions, but I don't need a firewall atm. |
| 00:53.40 | Viking667 | Xttor: go install the zip package for debian; as the root user: apt-get install zip unzip |
| 00:53.43 | quitte | Xttor: apt-get build-dep iceweasel |
| 00:53.47 | djs | I run an edge firewall on my network. |
| 00:54.02 | quitte | Xttor: or just use iceweasel. after all it is firefox |
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| 00:55.03 | Xttor | Viking667: Yeah, that worked. thanks |
| 00:55.24 | sharp15 | lithophyte: thanks for saying that. i was going to ask later. |
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| 01:00.44 | slidesinger | 4 GB flash drive, firewall/freeswan/openvpn, 64 MB ram. Going for 4 partitions, /boot, /, /var, and swap. Does 150 MB for /boot, 128 MB swap, 500 MB for var amd the rest for / sound about right? |
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| 01:01.45 | jimisrvrox | hey Viking I got me WinMaker |
| 01:01.59 | quitte | slidesinger: yes. do apt-get clean a lot, though |
| 01:02.23 | slidesinger | quitte: Thanks. |
| 01:02.49 | jimisrvrox | quitte what the hell is this clip thing though? |
| 01:02.54 | jimisrvrox | I still havent figured out its use |
| 01:03.05 | quitte | jimisrvrox: wmaker? |
| 01:03.10 | jimisrvrox | yes |
| 01:03.40 | jimisrvrox | and I tkae it that ive lost my sys mon |
| 01:03.45 | quitte | jimisrvrox: can you make a screenshot? i dont know what you are talking about |
| 01:03.53 | jimisrvrox | not top but sys mon like win task manager |
| 01:04.03 | quitte | jimisrvrox: there is a replacement, im sure |
| 01:04.21 | quitte | jimisrvrox: is it snappier? |
| 01:04.54 | jimisrvrox | yeah seems like |
| 01:05.02 | jimisrvrox | loads pretty quick |
| 01:05.30 | Viking667 | kde? |
| 01:05.46 | Viking667 | oh, sorry. |
| 01:05.47 | jimisrvrox | wmaker |
| 01:05.57 | jimisrvrox | but I havent a clue about this clip object |
| 01:06.05 | Viking667 | yeah. What were you using for a "sysmon" item? |
| 01:06.06 | jimisrvrox | it says main on it |
| 01:06.18 | Viking667 | the clip object can have stuff "clipped" to it... |
| 01:06.22 | quitte | jimisrvrox: debfoster is an outdated tool that i personally still like to clean up my system |
| 01:06.22 | jimisrvrox | gnome has a system monitor visual in the system tools |
| 01:06.28 | Viking667 | but you probably have to go read up on that. |
| 01:06.29 | newsense | how can i send a broadcast message to an x session ? |
| 01:06.38 | newsense | can i ? |
| 01:06.54 | Viking667 | jimisrvrox: ahh, I see what you mean. I think there are windowmaker equivalents to those... |
| 01:06.55 | jimisrvrox | hrm |
| 01:06.56 | stew | newsense: you can pop up a message with xmessage |
| 01:07.05 | newsense | stew thanks |
| 01:07.17 | Viking667 | newsense: ... assuming you have xauth rights to access the display or whatever. |
| 01:07.45 | newsense | root should right ? |
| 01:07.48 | stew | newsense: you can also try notify-send |
| 01:07.55 | stew | newsense: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 01:08.09 | Viking667 | newsense: no. |
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| 01:08.11 | newsense | cool thanks ill read up on both |
| 01:08.22 | Viking667 | what's true for a file system isn't true for a xauth session. |
| 01:08.52 | quitte | but root usually can get the xauthority file |
| 01:08.58 | sharp15 | why is vim placing line numbers in by 6 spaces? |
| 01:09.09 | stew | newsense: that will tell you how to teporarily give root permission, "/msg dpkg mit magic cookie" for a more permanant solution |
| 01:09.15 | Viking667 | sharp15: huh? |
| 01:09.20 | newsense | stew thanks |
| 01:09.31 | newsense | lots of information haha |
| 01:09.50 | sharp15 | Viking667: when i turn on vim's line numbering it places 6 spaces before each line number. |
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| 01:10.28 | Viking667 | sharp15: there'll be a reason for that. |
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| 01:10.46 | Viking667 | six is about the minimum number of "slots" you want available for a line NUMBER in vim. |
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| 01:11.07 | Viking667 | if it's any less than that, you risk running out of space to display the actual whole line number. |
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| 01:11.18 | sharp15 | Viking667: how big are the files you work with? |
| 01:11.21 | Viking667 | I found _that_ out the hard way when I was writing an application. |
| 01:11.41 | Viking667 | depends. I've had files bigger than 2GB, but I haven't tried opening THOSE with vim. |
| 01:12.08 | sharp15 | my gentoo box just moves everything over one column when it needs a new line number character. |
| 01:12.10 | Viking667 | I did have a .bash_history file that was getting up past 78,000 lines. |
| 01:12.43 | sharp15 | yeah. i put a limiter of about 100 lines in for than file. |
| 01:12.53 | jimisrvrox | well idk...seems like its a little bit better performance wise but I think it might just be the cpu that isnt able to handle the data transfers very well |
| 01:13.03 | evilgold | does anyone know what would cause files to copy slowly to an encrypted root partition, but not from it |
| 01:13.18 | Viking667 | I deliberately made THAT file append_only, so I could capture every command I issued. It's been really REALLY useful. |
| 01:13.21 | jimisrvrox | even with a slimmed down window manager Im still getting this 100% cpu usage when loading websites..so I think Im just SOL on that one |
| 01:13.30 | sharp15 | evilgold: a bad algorithm? |
| 01:13.37 | quitte | evilgold: not enough randomness in the rng |
| 01:13.49 | Viking667 | jimisrvrox: what web browser are you using? |
| 01:13.57 | sharp15 | i like quitte's answer better. |
| 01:14.15 | Viking667 | "links2" will do most graphics, but won't do javascript properly, and won't do java or flash, period. |
| 01:14.22 | evilgold | sharp15, quitte , how can i fix this? I am on a fresh install of lenny |
| 01:14.30 | Viking667 | that's way lighter than either of firefox or iceweasel |
| 01:14.36 | jimisrvrox | I love my firefox |
| 01:14.46 | jimisrvrox | and for some reason the damn thing will not install some extensions for me |
| 01:14.50 | Viking667 | so do I, but with 192MB of memory, it's not worth it. |
| 01:14.52 | sharp15 | evilgold: i have no idea. i was guessing. |
| 01:14.52 | evilgold | I have a second encrypted drive as a backup, and transfer rates on it are normal |
| 01:15.01 | jimisrvrox | citing error -228 which ive read on to be some buffer overflow ro some shit |
| 01:15.09 | quitte | evilgold: you need a source of enthropy. that should help you googling |
| 01:15.27 | jwisher | if you remove mysql and then reinstall it (wit apt-get remove / apt-get install), does it keep all of the data inside the databases, or wipe it? |
| 01:15.42 | sharp15 | how do i ad packages in aptitude? it's the +, correct? |
| 01:15.57 | quitte | evilgold: hmm. any differences in how you encrypt those drives |
| 01:16.00 | slidesinger | I like firefox as well, when I have tons of cpu cycles. Usually I use dillo or links2 when I'm just doing research. |
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| 01:16.08 | quitte | evilgold: or is one flash? |
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| 01:16.48 | evilgold | one is twofish one is serpent, the slow one is an LVM of 3 drives |
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| 01:17.49 | quitte | evilgold: 3 encrypted volumes merged with lvm? |
| 01:17.58 | slidesinger | jwisher: The data is separate, but I would make a current backup before doing anything, even if you already have a recent one. |
| 01:18.47 | evilgold | quitte, other way around, one LVM of 3 drives, encrypted as a single partition |
| 01:18.54 | jimisrvrox | ok instead of alt+tab how would you switch btwn apps? |
| 01:19.27 | quitte | evilgold: good. otherwise it'd been pretty obvious |
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| 01:20.16 | evilgold | quitte, yes that would be silly |
| 01:20.27 | ice63 | how can i change the resolution on lenny for x-window-system ? |
| 01:20.37 | quitte | evilgold: might actually be the algorithm. I'd try a direct comparison using /dev/loop |
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| 01:21.27 | quitte | evilgold: unfortunately i don't know how to check the quantity of enthropy available |
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| 01:22.36 | evilgold | quitte, if its an entropy problem wouldnt it affect both encrypted drives? |
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| 01:23.20 | ice63 | ok |
| 01:23.32 | quitte | evilgold: maybe one algorithm doesnt need enough entropy to make that the bottleneck |
| 01:24.06 | sharp15 | just curious. why would the terminal colours not be displayed through ssh? |
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| 01:24.57 | stew | evilgold: "cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail" will tell you the amount of available entropy |
| 01:25.37 | evilgold | quitte, I've notice that the slow copy to the drive uses 5% cpu, while copying from it to another encrypted drive uses 70% |
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| 01:26.12 | evilgold | stew, evilgold@feynman:~$ sudo cat /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail 3658 |
| 01:26.22 | evilgold | does that seem normal |
| 01:26.36 | stew | evilgold: that's about as much entropy as possible |
| 01:26.49 | stew | evilgold: is it that high when the transfer becomes slow? |
| 01:27.27 | ice63 | stew: do you know how to change the resolution for x in lenny ? |
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| 01:27.49 | stew | ice63: you can chnage it at runtime with xrandr |
| 01:27.50 | Jyzygzy- | how do you start an app so that it uses a different NIC to connect the internet |
| 01:27.58 | Jyzygzy- | like not the default route |
| 01:28.27 | stew | Jyzygzy-: which app? |
| 01:28.39 | evilgold | stew it went down to 3607 |
| 01:28.41 | ice63 | stew: how do i do that ? |
| 01:28.43 | Jyzygzy- | whatever |
| 01:28.52 | stew | evilgold: its a problem when it goes down near zero |
| 01:29.01 | Jyzygzy- | $app |
| 01:29.05 | stew | evilgold: like, if it were under 100 i'd blame entropy |
| 01:29.27 | clarity_ | hey, I'm running lenny, and I'm having some trouble with my dual monitor setup in xorg. The screen is bigger than my physical screen, so stuff gets cut off. I'm not sure where to start to fix this |
| 01:29.54 | clarity_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:31.12 | evilgold | stew, the issue seems to be that kcrypt is not utilizing enough CPU |
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| 01:32.02 | evilgold | normally transfers will use up whatever cpu is available |
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| 01:32.53 | evilgold | I'm going to try using a different cipher i suppose and see how things go |
| 01:33.33 | evilgold | thanks for the advice guys |
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| 01:36.25 | damonwang | When I'm trying to move things to inetd, is there a standard, safe, easily reversible way to make init not execute the relevant start-up script at any runlevel? |
| 01:36.54 | pickcoder | update-rc.d |
| 01:37.00 | pickcoder | or sysv-rc-conf |
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| 01:37.36 | damonwang | ah, thanks. |
| 01:37.39 | stew | damonwang: use update-rc.d to change the S links to K links, its given as an example in the manpage |
| 01:38.34 | damonwang | stew: I'll go read that now. Thanks |
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| 01:53.06 | damonwang | stew: This machine is sort of important. Do you mind if I outline what I'm about to do before I reboot, so you can point out the obvious problems? |
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| 02:03.37 | Led_Zeppelin | Is it possible to bind a MAC address with a ethernet adapter? my ethernet adapters are keep changing its names |
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| 02:06.16 | quitte | Led_Zeppelin: /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-cd.rules ? |
| 02:06.46 | pickcoder | z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 02:06.48 | quitte | Led_Zeppelin: sorry, net.rules |
| 02:06.55 | Led_Zeppelin | quitte, the problem is I am using Vbox with Debian. Everything I make a change to the networks (add or delete a card), the adapter number keeps incrementing. I would like to stop that |
| 02:07.02 | djs | Evening. I tried to go for etchnhalf as shown on the page the bot here gives you, followed the instructions exactly, and then do a apt-get update or an apt-get upgrade, and nothing new is ever available. I am using the utexas mirror. I would appreciate some help in figuring this out. |
| 02:07.10 | pickcoder | drop the hot plug from the interfaces line |
| 02:07.48 | quitte | Led_Zeppelin: ah. give an explicit mac to the interface in vbox |
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| 02:09.21 | Led_Zeppelin | quitte, how can I do that in /etc/interfaces file |
| 02:09.23 | Led_Zeppelin | is that in the manpage? |
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| 02:10.56 | quitte | Led_Zeppelin: it should be doable in the vbox gui |
| 02:11.17 | Led_Zeppelin | acutally on the vbox I can do it. But what about in Debian? |
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| 02:11.36 | Led_Zeppelin | Does Debian keep a cache of network settings? I would like to find that out |
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| 02:11.40 | Led_Zeppelin | I though there was just 1 file. |
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| 02:12.11 | quitte | Led_Zeppelin: look at the udev rules file mentioned above |
| 02:12.14 | Akuw | any software to convert from cd audio to mp3 ? |
| 02:12.17 | ampex | I have a bunch of kernel patches numbered 0001*, 0002*, 0003*, etc. that I need to apply to a cloned git tree. Is there a way I can use the patch command to apply all of these patches in order without having to run 100 manual commands? |
| 02:12.18 | Led_Zeppelin | quitte, ah yes! thanks |
| 02:12.19 | Led_Zeppelin | I think so |
| 02:12.20 | xterm_ | hello. somebody knows what's the function of "%zu" inside a printf? printf("%zu", var); ??? |
| 02:13.55 | Led_Zeppelin | man, I missed debian. I just love it. So simple and straight forward! |
| 02:14.25 | quitte | xterm_: have you tried asking in #c or #gcc? |
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| 02:15.08 | \amethyst | xterm_: it's for size_t s |
| 02:15.38 | xterm_ | \amethyst , thanks :D |
| 02:15.39 | \amethyst | xterm_: you can't use just %u because size_t is not necessarily the same size as int |
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| 02:18.46 | screamingbytes | evenin all |
| 02:19.25 | screamingbytes | a shameful q here, where is the proper dir to compile software and keep kerenel headers? |
| 02:19.32 | screamingbytes | /usr/src/linux |
| 02:19.39 | screamingbytes | /usr/local/src/linux |
| 02:19.41 | screamingbytes | ? |
| 02:20.09 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: wherever you want, as long as you use make-kpkg |
| 02:21.07 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: thats a package making tool yes? |
| 02:21.10 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: (it will build, among other things, a header package that puts the headers in the usual Debian place ( /usr/src/linux-$(uname -r) ) |
| 02:21.34 | \amethyst | screamingbytes: it's for making kernel packages, yes |
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| 02:22.10 | screamingbytes | \amethyst: kk tyvm, not that experienced on making packages, but if im gonna do it i might as well do it right |
| 02:22.23 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:22.27 | \amethyst | !kernel-package |
| 02:22.27 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about <make-kpkg> and <kp mantra>, or just http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html.en |
| 02:22.48 | jmd | How does popcon determine its "vote" number? |
| 02:22.58 | spx2 | if I have a table with columns A,B and I don't want tuples of the form (a1,b) and also (a2,b) with a1<>a2 , how do I explain this ? UNIQUE(A,B) won't solve the problem as it just eliminates pairs of the form (a1,b1) and (a2,b2) where a1<>a2 and b1<>b2 I believe. |
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| 02:23.50 | sharp15 | did i just make a mess of the channel? the out put from that may have only been local. |
| 02:24.08 | \amethyst | sharp15: you did not; you would have been auto-kicked by the bots |
| 02:24.28 | sharp15 | ok. thanks. |
| 02:26.45 | wols | jmd: debian users voluntarily let software keep track of packages used |
| 02:27.07 | \amethyst | spx2: select min(a), b from test group by b |
| 02:27.07 | stew | jmd: the package having files with an atime < 30 days |
| 02:27.49 | wols | stew: does popcon really periodically check the whole disk? can't it just use dpkg.log? |
| 02:28.06 | screamingbytes | stew: so /usr/src/linux.blah? |
| 02:28.07 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm, what exactly do I need to edit in udevs for my ethernet to stop incrementing? |
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| 02:28.13 | screamingbytes | stew: w/o a link |
| 02:28.32 | wols | screamingbytes: use kernel-package to compile your headers and create a shiny purrty .deb. then install that |
| 02:28.40 | jmd | stew, OK. Thanks. |
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| 02:28.48 | screamingbytes | wols: kk ty |
| 02:28.49 | wols | screamingbytes: kernel-package should be the only way to create custom kernels and headers |
| 02:29.04 | screamingbytes | wols: its not a kernel, its just software |
| 02:29.06 | stew | wols: it wouldn't have to scan the entire disk |
| 02:29.09 | \amethyst | Led_Zeppelin: is it nvidia by any chance? |
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| 02:29.15 | stew | screamingbytes: sure |
| 02:29.15 | \amethyst | !forcedeth mac |
| 02:29.15 | dpkg | If your network card keeps changing its name each time (eth0, then eth1, then eth2, etc) and you are using the forcedeth driver, then edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules, remove all but one entry, and replace the MAC address with "00:00:6c:*". |
| 02:29.15 | jmd | wols, dpkg.log doesn't tell you when a package was "used". |
| 02:29.21 | wols | screamingbytes: if you need non standard kernel-headers you have a custom kernel. QED |
| 02:29.25 | Led_Zeppelin | \amethyst, no, its a virtual card from VirtualBox |
| 02:29.32 | wols | screamingbytes: if you use a debian kernel, just use the kernel headers from the repos |
| 02:29.33 | screamingbytes | wols: but im used to keeping the custom software/kernel source i compile in the same place |
| 02:29.41 | \amethyst | Led_Zeppelin: you can use a similar trick, but the wildcard will be somewhat different |
| 02:29.43 | wols | jmd: but it tells you what was installed |
| 02:30.09 | jmd | wols, But my question was how does it determine the vote count. |
| 02:30.23 | jmd | ie those packages "used". |
| 02:30.26 | wols | screamingbytes: so? the kernel image always goes into /boot. kernel-package doesn't care for the place you keep the source. and source and headers are different |
| 02:30.35 | screamingbytes | wols stew : I only use std Deb kernels, its very rare i need to mod one. But i do keep the headers on my box, and on occasion install (rare occasoin) software thats not in debian at all |
| 02:30.38 | \amethyst | Led_Zeppelin: the idea is still the same---change the persistent rule for eth0 to match all the possible MACs VirtualBox can give you |
| 02:30.48 | stew | wols: /usr/sbin/popularity-contest is a pretty simple perl script |
| 02:30.51 | Led_Zeppelin | \amethyst, good idea |
| 02:30.56 | wols | screamingbytes: if you use a debian kernel, install the headers debian always provides |
| 02:30.59 | Led_Zeppelin | I guess I need to check persistent.rules files |
| 02:31.08 | screamingbytes | wols: I do :) |
| 02:31.13 | jmd | There's no such thing as a simple perl script. |
| 02:31.15 | \amethyst | dpkg, tell Led_Zeppelin about forcedeth mac |
| 02:31.24 | \amethyst | Led_Zeppelin: in case you missed it earlier |
| 02:31.42 | wols | stew: sure but I'd think instead of checking atime and crossreferencing the file to a package wouldn't it be easier to just periodically check dpkg.log? |
| 02:31.57 | \amethyst | wols: dpkg.log doesn't tell you if the package is being used |
| 02:32.15 | \amethyst | wols: it's checking *a*time, not mtime, to see if e.g. the executables are actually being run |
| 02:32.23 | \amethyst | (documents viewed, etc) |
| 02:32.28 | wols | k |
| 02:32.59 | quitte | i guess that means i can as well disable popcon, as i mount with noatime option |
| 02:33.29 | \amethyst | hm, is there a way to have it report installation but not usage? |
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| 02:38.40 | screamingbytes | hehe |
| 02:38.45 | screamingbytes | jmd |
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| 02:40.58 | screamingbytes | stew: when you said the kernel doc explicity says do not use /usr/src/linux did you mean a symbolic link? |
| 02:42.47 | Led_Zeppelin | \amethyst, err! this is frustraing. Is it a good idea just to disable udev? |
| 02:44.53 | stew | screamingbytes: yes, /usr/src/linux shouldn't be the kernel source |
| 02:45.27 | pingouin | how can i know the transfer rate of usb port while a device is plug in it ? |
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| 02:45.33 | screamingbytes | kewl, tks |
| 02:45.43 | stew | wols: but the entire point of vote is to see which applications are actually used after you install, not just what you install |
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| 02:53.54 | HeXiLed | i m having a problem with : ./configure --with-ssl=/usr/bin/openssl |
| 02:53.59 | HeXiLed | You requested SSL support, but OpenSSL was not found. Please supply a pathname to OpenSSL |
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| 02:54.23 | HeXiLed | what am i missing? i have wll the libs and dependencies as well as the -dev packages |
| 02:54.26 | HeXiLed | ideas ? |
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| 02:56.29 | damonwang | How do I find out which program has bound a particular port? sshd is getting stuck because 22 is taken |
| 02:57.40 | Viking667 | netstat -pan |
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| 02:57.43 | Viking667 | (as root) |
| 02:57.44 | Texou | hi |
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| 02:58.23 | damonwang | Viking667: Thanks. And more generally, how do you find a google query for things like this? |
| 02:58.35 | Texou | a little question: is it reliable to use apt-get autoremove? or it could remove used packages? |
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| 02:59.21 | elik | Hum, for some reason, I'm unable to launch applications under gnome... the menu or launchers seem to make gnome busy for a few secs, and then nothing.. I had to kill gnome-screensaver cause it was buggy, and also killed gnome-power-manager by mistake |
| 02:59.38 | elik | Keyboards shortcuts aren't working neither |
| 03:00.33 | elik | I would simply restart... but Picard just ran 3hrs scanning all my mp3 collection |
| 03:01.09 | elik | And that's already the second time it does so, because of a power outage.. |
| 03:01.17 | Viking667 | damonwang: I tend to use: http://www.google.com/linux?q=query+to+use&num=100 |
| 03:02.00 | elik | Texou, I'm no debian expert... but never had any trouble with that |
| 03:02.10 | zythmer | HeXiLed: I have no idea what you're compiling. You almost always pass library locations, not binary. |
| 03:02.14 | Texou | ok |
| 03:02.23 | Texou | i try so |
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| 03:02.24 | Texou | thanks |
| 03:02.32 | elik | Texou, it usually uninstall packages that were installed to meet dependencices, but that are not used anymore |
| 03:02.51 | Texou | ok |
| 03:03.04 | elik | cause dependencies have changed |
| 03:03.17 | Texou | I hope it does good choices :) |
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| 03:03.48 | elik | I wouldn't worry too much about that ;) |
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| 03:04.27 | damonwang | Viking667: Whoa. What is this? |
| 03:04.45 | Viking667 | damonwang: you asked about a google query. I gave you one I use. |
| 03:05.10 | damonwang | Viking667: Oh, yeah, thanks. But---what is this? Google can tell when something is talking about Linux? |
| 03:05.15 | Viking667 | yup. |
| 03:05.23 | damonwang | Whoa...! |
| 03:05.24 | Viking667 | the /linux?q= is what does it. |
| 03:05.33 | elik | damonwang, there is a google linux |
| 03:05.39 | elik | damonwang, and many others |
| 03:05.47 | damonwang | hmm |
| 03:05.48 | elik | damonwang, for searches on related subjects |
| 03:05.57 | Viking667 | damonwang: there's also a version for windows: /microsoft?q= and a mac version |
| 03:06.20 | Viking667 | Not sure of the uri for the mac one. |
| 03:06.31 | damonwang | And what's this feature called? Is there a big list of these specific searches? |
| 03:06.57 | Viking667 | I think so, yeah. |
| 03:07.08 | Viking667 | Look HARD at the front google page, you may find something there. |
| 03:07.22 | damonwang | Viking667: google.com/mac maybe? It sure looks pretty |
| 03:07.27 | Viking667 | I can't bring up a browser at the moment, so I can't actually tell you. |
| 03:07.36 | Viking667 | heh. |
| 03:07.40 | damonwang | Oh, right. My ssh. I forgot about that. |
| 03:07.59 | Viking667 | damonwang: so, what did "netstat -pan | grep 22 " show you? |
| 03:08.21 | Viking667 | should have a program name followed by a PID (sshd/3429) for example. |
| 03:08.45 | Viking667 | ... that's why you have to be root to see the information. |
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| 03:09.43 | Samus_Aran | how can I put a block on a package so it won't automatically be installed ? |
| 03:09.44 | damonwang | Viking667: 6553/ssh |
| 03:09.57 | damonwang | Hmm, I do have an ssh connection going out to a machine on the floor |
| 03:10.03 | Viking667 | then that means that ssh is running, that's not sshd. |
| 03:10.03 | damonwang | Could that be taking the port? |
| 03:10.19 | Viking667 | weird. |
| 03:10.34 | Viking667 | you want what's actually LISTENING at port 22 |
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| 03:11.01 | damonwang | so...netstat -l | grep 22? |
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| 03:11.24 | Viking667 | no. |
| 03:11.25 | wols | damonwang: as root: netstat -anp |grep 22 | grep LIST |
| 03:11.39 | Viking667 | wols: or ESTABL |
| 03:11.53 | Viking667 | ... given there could be an existing ssh connection. |
| 03:11.57 | elik | Why is my gnome unable to launch any application? |
| 03:12.15 | wols | Viking667: could is the word. there always is a LISTEN, a ESTABLISHED is there only maybe |
| 03:13.04 | Viking667 | roger. |
| 03:13.42 | HeXiLed | what package do we need to have flash working with iceweasel ? |
| 03:13.47 | damonwang | So I'm looking for a line that has (my ip):22 right? |
| 03:14.13 | Viking667 | pretty much, but that's not quite all of... oh, crap. |
| 03:14.22 | Viking667 | sorry all, gotta go. Had another filesystem fall over. |
| 03:14.26 | damonwang | thanks |
| 03:14.31 | wols | damonwang: no. you are typing the command I gave you, nothing else |
| 03:14.52 | wols | !flash |
| 03:14.52 | dpkg | hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:15.03 | damonwang | wols: I typed your command, but grep'ed for LIS instead of LIST to catch the ESTABLISHED's too |
| 03:15.15 | wols | damonwang: and? |
| 03:15.20 | damonwang | wols: I don't see anything on my port 22. |
| 03:15.26 | wols | no sshd running |
| 03:15.52 | damonwang | There's an ESTABLISHED to someone else's port 22, but I think that's an outgoing ssh connection I have open |
| 03:16.02 | wols | yes it is |
| 03:16.26 | wols | damonwang: so what does listen on port 22? |
| 03:16.33 | damonwang | As far as I can tell, nothing |
| 03:17.01 | wols | telnet to port 22 then |
| 03:17.05 | damonwang | netstat -pan | grep ssh only shows that one outging connection, so apparently sshd isn't listening at all |
| 03:17.22 | wols | do NOT use | grep ssh |
| 03:17.23 | damonwang | connect refused |
| 03:17.30 | wols | then nothing is listening |
| 03:17.34 | damonwang | *connection refused |
| 03:17.42 | wols | start ssh and pastebin your commandline AND its output |
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| 03:17.59 | damonwang | ssh or sshd? and do you want verbose/debug output? |
| 03:18.07 | wols | ssh server |
| 03:18.19 | wols | there is no such thing as verbose or debug output |
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| 03:18.48 | damonwang | Really? Because sshd -d gives a lot more output than plain sshd, and same for ssh -v |
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| 03:19.21 | wols | that'S not how you start sshd |
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| 03:19.51 | noboru | hi guys, how are you |
| 03:20.15 | damonwang | wols: http://pastebin.com/d1ba858d5 |
| 03:20.21 | noboru | i have a serious question please, some web spider bring very large bandwidth on my server,i would l like to ban them |
| 03:20.26 | damonwang | hmm. is 0.0.0.0 normal? |
| 03:20.28 | noboru | but it seems it does not work |
| 03:20.32 | damonwang | I don't think that's a localhost alias |
| 03:21.10 | noboru | how do i check the bandwidth of them ? i check apache log,but i do not know in that file how to check how many bandwidth of it ? |
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| 03:21.16 | wols | damonwang: use /etc/init.d/ssh start AND I want to see the FULL commandline. ALL of it |
| 03:21.23 | wols | yes it's normal |
| 03:21.39 | wols | noboru: access.log |
| 03:22.02 | damonwang | hmm. I changed ListenAddress 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:22.07 | damonwang | and now I can connect |
| 03:22.29 | noboru | wols, please wait. |
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| 03:23.10 | damonwang | thanks, wols. If you hadn't made me look at the output again I wouldn't have noticed the 0.0.0.0 for a while |
| 03:23.14 | Led_Zeppelin | so, in debian if I have a piece of source code that needs the kernel source what is the best way to do this? Is there a package I can install? I preassume, `uname -r` |
| 03:23.18 | Nate_B | gives debian 15 spankings |
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| 03:23.35 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: you install the kernel headers for your kernel |
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| 03:23.45 | Led_Zeppelin | hmm |
| 03:23.47 | Led_Zeppelin | I did |
| 03:23.57 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: dpkg -l |grep linux-header |
| 03:24.10 | wols | Led_Zeppelin: and what is your kernel version |
| 03:24.15 | Led_Zeppelin | debian0:/usr/src/drbd-8.2.6# dpkg -l | grep -i linux-header |
| 03:24.15 | Led_Zeppelin | ii linux-headers-2.6.18-6 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22 Common header files for Linux 2.6.18 |
| 03:24.15 | Led_Zeppelin | ii linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7 2.6.18.dfsg.1-22 Header files for Linux 2.6.18 on AMD K7 |
| 03:24.23 | Led_Zeppelin | 2.6.18-6-k7 |
| 03:24.29 | wols | that's right then |
| 03:24.44 | Led_Zeppelin | make KDIR=/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.18-6-k7 I am doing that |
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| 03:25.05 | wols | !tell Led_Zeppelin about errors |
| 03:25.08 | Led_Zeppelin | sorry |
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| 03:28.19 | Led_Zeppelin | needed to get c libs |
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| 03:29.43 | wols | you already had them. kinda hard to run a linux without libc... |
| 03:30.04 | wols | and if you didn't have the headers, you haven't installed build-essential install that now |
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| 03:32.51 | noboru | how do i sort the ip in a file ? i try less access.log | grep ip ,the screen is scrolling very fast :( |
| 03:34.06 | wols | why would you srot it if you grep only for a single IP? |
| 03:34.29 | Benzi | hey guys |
| 03:34.33 | Benzi | can someone help me out? |
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| 03:34.52 | Benzi | trying to get the electric sheep screensaver to run on only one of my two displays |
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| 03:54.07 | Benzi | 'course |
| 03:54.08 | Benzi | whoops |
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| 03:54.38 | somedude | what the best way to install flash on etch |
| 03:55.44 | pickcoder | !tell somedude about flash |
| 03:56.09 | kiwizz | why does "openssl s_client -connect www.cjsinclair.info:993 -CAfile /etc/ssl/certs/ca.pem" return no errors yet "openssl s_client -connect www.cjsinclair.info:993" complains about "Verify return code: 19 (self signed certificate in certificate chain)" the CAfile is specified in the mail server configuration - should do the same thing right? |
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| 03:59.33 | somedude | how can i install java with apt |
| 04:00.37 | blameless | !java |
| 04:00.37 | dpkg | somebody said java was a cross-platform C++-like OO language. Sun partially released its Java implementation under the GPL on 2006-11-13. There are other implementations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in non-free. Also, ask about <install java>. <java alternatives> |
| 04:01.52 | somedude | !install java |
| 04:01.52 | WormFood | java is NOT fuckin' cross-platform |
| 04:01.52 | dpkg | Free java implementations available in Debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". If you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (e.g. anything not in main and some websites using java controls) then install sun-java5-plugin or sun-java6-plugin from non-free. For etch, backported sun-java6-* packages are available; ask me about <bpo>, <java amd64>. <java alternatives> |
| 04:02.17 | WormFood | java can be cross-platform for some things...for many things....but not everything |
| 04:02.41 | WormFood | java is a heaping pile of steaming shit! |
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| 04:03.25 | linuxadmin | Hi. Does Debian add it's own patches to the Vanilla Linux kernel ? |
| 04:03.33 | WormFood | "Saying java is good because it works on all platforms is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders" |
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| 04:04.37 | ice63 | can some one help me i need to change my resolution to 1024x768 in lenny how do ido that ? |
| 04:04.47 | WormFood | linuxadmin, of course it does....debian modifies everything, even when they don't understand what they are doing....take the openssl random number generator fuckup as an example |
| 04:05.28 | linuxadmin | ok, thanks. |
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| 04:06.50 | somedude | whats the openssl random number generator fuckup |
| 04:07.25 | barnum | probably the most egg on debians face in the 7 years ive been using it |
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| 04:08.10 | somedude | so what happened |
| 04:08.16 | barnum | basically someone modifed the opessl random generator, and as a result all keys generated were within a guessable space |
| 04:08.26 | barnum | ssl keys ssh keys |
| 04:08.31 | barnum | take your pick |
| 04:08.46 | barnum | went on for a few years before caught |
| 04:09.07 | somedude | lol |
| 04:09.23 | barnum | got them nominated for a pwnie |
| 04:09.25 | somedude | maybe using openbsd rly is a gud idea |
| 04:09.25 | barnum | hehe |
| 04:09.50 | barnum | well there are some people who are pretty sure openbsd had an unreported security issue 4 years or so back |
| 04:09.55 | barnum | and will never trust it again... |
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| 04:10.15 | barnum | but whos to say |
| 04:10.24 | barnum | at least debian was very forthcoming about the bug |
| 04:10.35 | barnum | funny part is ubuntu picked up the bug too |
| 04:10.43 | barnum | for the openssl thing |
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| 04:15.01 | somedude | i don't know who to trust anymore |
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| 04:15.50 | muddd | the government |
| 04:15.53 | DogBoy | no one |
| 04:15.53 | muddd | :P |
| 04:15.56 | RubeGoldberg | Send 20.00 US to my paypal account and I'll let you trust me. |
| 04:15.57 | DogBoy | that's a safe bet |
| 04:15.59 | muddd | surely i jest |
| 04:17.02 | muddd | i was reading about people trying to crack rsa encryption but the math lost me |
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| 04:18.22 | muddd | which brings me to a question... do people in here think that the govt can, in real time, decipher ssh communications? |
| 04:18.56 | muddd | *reaches for tinfoil hat* |
| 04:20.12 | DogBoy | of course they can |
| 04:20.22 | DogBoy | they got the key from the key logger |
| 04:20.40 | muddd | O_o |
| 04:21.17 | muddd | they got past my empty beer bottle on the doorknob eh |
| 04:21.27 | WormFood | somedude, the fucktard modified the openssl source code, to get rid of a compiler warning.....what a total idiot....as if the compiler is all knowing |
| 04:22.19 | lem0n | lol |
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| 04:23.21 | avu | WormFood, that's not only silly language you're using, it's also wrong what you're saying. |
| 04:23.47 | WormFood | what is wrong that I'm saying? |
| 04:23.55 | miksuh | WormFood: usually you want to get rid of compiler warnings or erros, bevause those usually mean bug |
| 04:24.01 | miksuh | because |
| 04:24.02 | WormFood | not always |
| 04:24.07 | avu | WormFood, it wasn't about a compiler warning. |
| 04:24.12 | avu | not at all. |
| 04:24.14 | lem0n | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=260275607646&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=016 |
| 04:24.27 | WormFood | that is what I remember reading |
| 04:24.30 | lem0n | not to troll, but just now selling :) |
| 04:24.33 | avu | well, it's wrong :) |
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| 04:25.01 | avu | at least get your facts straight before calling people 'fucktards' |
| 04:25.09 | lem0n | heh i dont see RSA encryption as very vulnerable just right now |
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| 04:26.08 | WormFood | http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2008/06/12/ssl_certificates_vulnerable_to_openssl_flaw_on_debian.html |
| 04:26.19 | WormFood | The issue affects all versions of OpenSSL on Debian-based operating systems over the course of two years â ever since two lines of code were commented out to prevent compilers displaying warnings about the use of uninitialized data. |
| 04:26.39 | WormFood | sooooo....why were those lines commented out? |
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| 04:26.59 | lem0n | oh the big openssl deal? |
| 04:27.01 | avu | WormFood, well, you found some stupid article saying the same wrong thing. wooho. |
| 04:27.04 | lem0n | ...why do people care |
| 04:27.04 | avu | it's still wrong :) |
| 04:27.07 | lem0n | just update your shit |
| 04:27.08 | lem0n | like it should be |
| 04:27.13 | lem0n | and you wont have to worry about that :P |
| 04:27.16 | WormFood | then why did the fucktard comment out those lines? |
| 04:27.20 | lem0n | iunno |
| 04:27.22 | lem0n | we arent him |
| 04:27.25 | lem0n | but its fixed now right? |
| 04:27.25 | WormFood | if it wasn't to get rid of a compiler warning |
| 04:27.26 | avu | WormFood, valgrind. |
| 04:27.54 | avu | WormFood, read the actual bug reports or good articles about the topic from people actually involved |
| 04:28.00 | \amethyst | valgrind is a program to check for, among other things, access to uninitialized memory |
| 04:28.27 | somedude | why is a guy who is not a openssl programmer deciding to fix an openssl bug |
| 04:28.31 | \amethyst | one of the lines is reasonable to remove (and OpenSSL has a compile-time flag to remove that one---#ifdef PURIFY) |
| 04:28.42 | somedude | send a patch upstream if it's legit they'll use it |
| 04:28.58 | \amethyst | the problem is that the maintainer removed a second line that should not have been |
| 04:29.02 | WormFood | I saw the comments added to the source code when they change was made....I'm looking for them now |
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| 04:29.49 | avu | WormFood, just see http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=363516 |
| 04:30.02 | somedude | did that guy get kicked out of debian |
| 04:30.12 | somedude | cuz if you had a real job that would be firing type incident |
| 04:30.42 | WormFood | what boggles my mind, is the fact that nobody checked it for OVER 2 YEARS!!! |
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| 04:30.59 | myosound | hey, is anyone else having problems doing a dist-upgrade right now? it's been failing in a very spectacular manner for me for some reason |
| 04:30.59 | somedude | oh well openssl isnt that important |
| 04:31.00 | somedude | wait |
| 04:31.02 | somedude | yes it is |
| 04:31.02 | somedude | lol |
| 04:31.23 | somedude | and to make it even worse ubuntu used it without checking it |
| 04:32.08 | somedude | how's freebsds security these days? |
| 04:32.20 | avu | offtopic is what it is :) |
| 04:32.22 | somedude | i'd use fedora but they have this insane 9 months release schedule |
| 04:32.23 | WormFood | in either case, people who change shit they don't understand, especially in security related packages, are fucktards! |
| 04:32.42 | DogBoy | hmm |
| 04:32.49 | somedude | man i wonder what other kind of crazy vulnerabilities are in debian |
| 04:33.04 | somedude | damn i just put debian on this box too |
| 04:33.11 | somedude | wish i heard abt this earlier |
| 04:33.35 | DogBoy | you could have installed vista |
| 04:33.42 | WormFood | fedora is no better |
| 04:33.50 | WormFood | all the distros do stupid shit |
| 04:33.53 | \amethyst | you could build everything from upstream source |
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| 04:34.03 | \amethyst | until you find that, often, upstreams are just as bad |
| 04:34.23 | \amethyst | the question is whether, on balance, the distribution makes things more or less secure |
| 04:34.36 | WormFood | I remember I got at call on vacation, because an awk script I wrote wasn't working right....found out that the fuckards at suse didn't install gawk, or compiled it with some crazy option |
| 04:35.07 | WormFood | that was a few years ago...I want to say they compiled it with some crazy option |
| 04:35.27 | acidslep | woah |
| 04:35.36 | acidslep | hi guys |
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| 04:35.50 | WormFood | and fedora compiled nc (netcat) with some crazy options, or added/deleted something to it.....or debian did....because the same options do not work the same between debian and fedora |
| 04:35.52 | somedude | yeah i love that when distro maintainers just decide they know better than the whole world and make some crazy modification or whatever |
| 04:36.09 | somedude | yeah actually fedora makes all kinds of crazy modifications |
| 04:36.19 | WormFood | I fuckin' HATE fedora |
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| 04:36.24 | somedude | but they generally dont result in vulnerabilities |
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| 04:36.44 | WormFood | I have fedora on my virtual dedicated server....and they don't release security updates for the version they have |
| 04:37.03 | WormFood | I'm changing providers as soon as my current contract expires....to one that lets me use debian |
| 04:37.16 | \amethyst | WormFood: there are at least two different versions of netcat, with different options |
| 04:37.18 | somedude | freebsd |
| 04:37.20 | hector_komori | Hi, I've got a problem, i need reconfigure my keyboard from englis to latinamerican. How can I do that??? |
| 04:37.31 | acidslep | heh |
| 04:37.31 | acidslep | exit |
| 04:37.31 | acidslep | hhhhhh |
| 04:37.43 | acidslep | fsck, sorry |
| 04:37.47 | \amethyst | WormFood: so that might not have been due to distribution changes so much as the distributions using different programs |
| 04:38.09 | WormFood | perhaps \amethyst, however, there seems to be one that is much more commonly used than the other |
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| 04:38.41 | acidslep | hector_komori, you know you should be able to do that during the installation? |
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| 04:39.13 | kaeles | hmm too bad they don't use vmware WormFood and let you log into the server interface, you could just host the ISO of debian from your client and install it that way :P |
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| 04:39.46 | kaeles | I'm having a printer problem, when I do echo hello,world >> /dev/lp0 it should print that to the printer? |
| 04:39.55 | WormFood | kaeles, they use a modified kernel, and they modify some files at boot time, like on the network interface |
| 04:39.57 | acidslep | XD |
| 04:40.16 | kaeles | the printer is set up on lpt1 already |
| 04:40.23 | WormFood | yet kaeles, however you may need to do something more to flush the buffer |
| 04:40.27 | man_in_irssi | looks around |
| 04:40.49 | kaeles | well, it shows that the samba jobs I'm posting are "working" and that the printer is "idle" when I do lpstat -p |
| 04:41.02 | kaeles | but nothing is printing out :| |
| 04:41.07 | man_in_irssi | i'm having some trouble with setkeycodes. no matter what i tell it, it doesn't seem to affect what the kernel sends in keycodes |
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| 04:41.27 | hector_komori | yes, it was configured in latam, but an update of a hardware convert it into en-us.... it's a problem because i need use some characters (like accents) |
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| 04:42.18 | dummies_freelanc | some people resolv the conection of modem 3g md300 of sony ericsson in debian ? |
| 04:43.01 | somedude | what if the guy who broke the ssl is actually working for a government and did it on purpose |
| 04:43.10 | somedude | thats how they would do it |
| 04:43.14 | somedude | make a "mistake" |
| 04:43.27 | kaeles | o.O |
| 04:43.46 | kaeles | or somebody just effed up? |
| 04:44.10 | somedude | comment out this line for us and your student loan problems will be cleared up |
| 04:44.54 | kaeles | lazy people, I'm only 22 and I work full time and goto school full time, and pay for it out of my pocket. |
| 04:45.04 | kaeles | err 23 |
| 04:45.06 | barnum | yep it pings |
| 04:45.09 | barnum | ,osfore |
| 04:45.14 | barnum | misfire even |
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| 04:47.04 | sardior | howdy. anyone wanna give it a try to help me with my sound on my old computer? |
| 04:47.28 | dummies_freelanc | how to make work modem md300 sony ericsson in debian.. maybe one patch at kernel? for extend usbserial maxSize parameter? |
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| 04:50.49 | dmoerner | sardior, alsaconf + alsamixer isn't doing enough? |
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| 04:52.43 | sardior | I keep getting the message that i don't have gstreamer plugins and I've installed everything I can find. |
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| 04:54.46 | sardior | i am installing the gstreamer bad and tools now. |
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| 04:57.53 | sardior | my volume control has a little x on it, and I can't get the test sound when I go to preferences -->multimedia selector I can't get the test sound to work even. |
| 04:59.42 | sardior | gads, are there really over 800 people in here. I feel like i'm on stage. |
| 04:59.46 | kaeles | any clue about this error in my cups server? "/usr/lib/cups/filter/foomatic-rip failed" |
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| 05:03.22 | WormFood | but sardior is wrong...there isn't over 800 people here....some are bots |
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| 05:10.30 | muddd | sardior has left the building |
| 05:12.02 | muddd | and i have too |
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| 05:20.56 | benjamindees | anyone familiar with the 'nt_pass' linux utility for resetting windows passwords and whether it might be included in debian? |
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| 05:22.52 | WormFood | benjamindees, try apt-cache search |
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| 05:25.19 | WormFood | does anyone know if the openoffice.org "base" is a suitable replacement for Micro$lop's "access"? |
| 05:25.23 | Dreamlinux | hi folks |
| 05:25.43 | Dreamlinux | i fix the problem with my Quake4 on my debian box |
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| 05:25.56 | Dreamlinux | now run.. very well :) |
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| 05:27.57 | Dreamlinux | i eliminate the config of Q4 and run one more time the game (~./quake4/q4base/Quake4Config.cfg) |
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| 05:30.15 | Dreamlinux | and.. run very well.... only I had to do was to reconfigure the game, por example: video, audio etc. |
| 05:30.17 | Dreamlinux | :) |
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| 05:30.47 | samuel | hello all |
| 05:30.57 | Dreamlinux | hi samuel |
| 05:31.08 | samuel | any chance anyone here have a soocial invite code? and wants to give me one :) |
| 05:31.19 | jester45 | ? |
| 05:31.25 | Dreamlinux | ? |
| 05:31.37 | samuel | its a web address book |
| 05:31.45 | samuel | can sync with gmail |
| 05:32.25 | samuel | or you guys know of any way to sync with google contacts? |
| 05:32.35 | jester45 | doesnt gmail let you export your add book |
| 05:33.18 | samuel | yeah, but i want to sync it |
| 05:33.29 | samuel | to be able to use it with the iphone over the air |
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| 05:33.45 | samuel | so my computer and iphone are in sync |
| 05:34.36 | jester45 | i dont really email too often so i guess i dont see the need for a address book to sync that often |
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| 05:37.21 | samuel | well there is no *NEED* but it would be nice if i could have gmail sync with evolution |
| 05:37.37 | samuel | since the iphone already sincs OTA with gmail |
| 05:39.16 | samuel | anyways... time for bed |
| 05:39.17 | samuel | gnight |
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| 05:42.01 | jester45 | hehe |
| 05:42.05 | jester45 | found it |
| 05:43.02 | jester45 | abgmerge if he comes back |
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| 05:48.38 | benjamindees | apparently the utility I'm looking for is 'chntpw' |
| 05:49.07 | benjamindees | http://home.eunet.no/~pnordahl/ntpasswd/chntpw-source-080526.zip |
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| 06:06.35 | dserban | Hello, seem to have run into an issue with dpkg. |
| 06:07.58 | dserban | After running aptitude update/dist-upgrade it complains that it can't get a lock and that I need to run dpkg --configure -a, which then spews out a whole lot of errors to stderr and stops. |
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| 06:10.22 | dserban | Can I provide any more info to be more specific? Or is this a known problem? |
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| 06:10.37 | simonrvn | interrupted it, probably. if the lock shit continues, you'll have to rm those lock files and re-create them. |
| 06:10.50 | simonrvn | 5unless you're not root, then ignore that ;) |
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| 06:13.19 | dserban | simonrvn, Yeah I'm root. Though after removing /var/lib/dpkg/lock, it still complains all over again. Almost looks like dpkg is segfaulting. |
| 06:14.22 | simonrvn | hm, try removing /var/lib/dpkg/available, then running dselect update; and rm apt-get's lock file too. |
| 06:15.07 | dserban | simonrvn, hrrm, which file is apt-get's lock file? |
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| 06:15.25 | simonrvn | /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 06:15.29 | simonrvn | iirc |
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| 06:17.04 | simonrvn | lemme check.. |
| 06:17.27 | simonrvn | yeh, in there, there's a 'lock' |
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| 06:20.54 | simonrvn | wonders "why and how do i know this shit anyway?" and shrugs |
| 06:20.54 | dserban | simonrvn, heh |
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| 06:20.55 | dserban | seems to have worked somewhat. aptitude is actually not complaining after an update/dist-upgrade. |
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| 06:21.14 | dserban | oh shit... |
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| 06:21.25 | owen1 | anyone knows slideshow + audio app? (similar to iphoto) |
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| 06:27.43 | dserban | hmm looks like it's a perl problem. Haven't upgraded that machine in a while. Seems that it can't find some perl modules, I'm assuming that perl 5.8 has been removed and 5.10 hasn't been installed yet :).... gggrrreat... |
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| 06:30.31 | snowrichard | is there a channel for the debian alpha port? |
| 06:31.02 | kaeles | I was using that at one point. |
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| 06:34.11 | Miranda | not to be shy or anything, but does debian have a online store for merchandise? if so, where? |
| 06:38.18 | DogBoy | that's a google question if I ever seen one |
| 06:38.57 | Miranda | google failed in this case. I saw some pics of people wearing debian t-shirts, and I want one. :-) |
| 06:39.49 | hoxu | Miranda, first search gave me this: http://www.aboutdebian.com/gear.htm |
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| 06:40.48 | Miranda | awesome, I was looking for "debian store" |
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| 06:41.04 | Miranda | yielded different results |
| 06:41.06 | hoxu | no shipping to europe sadly |
| 06:41.32 | Miranda | :-( |
| 06:42.38 | dserban | Hmm, so if dpkg depends on perl-modules, and aptitude shows me that it's broken. How do I reinstall it? |
| 06:42.41 | hoxu | Miranda, http://shop.cafepress.com/debian http://www.paul.sladen.org/expo/lrlive-2005/T-shirt-logos.html |
| 06:43.06 | hoxu | Miranda, now you made me want one too :( |
| 06:43.21 | Miranda | hoxu: :-) |
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| 06:44.55 | dserban | got it :0 |
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| 06:50.17 | Miranda | thanks hoxu for your help! bye! |
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| 07:05.30 | hoxu | !qotd0 |
| 07:05.30 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
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| 07:14.30 | EvilGuru | I need to upgrade the kernel on my Lenny system, which is currently running 2.6.15 (i3/486 ). However, I have not done this in ~2 years. What is the name of the blanket package which will pull in linux-image-2.6.2x and friends (modules) and does Debian require manual modification of the grub config file? |
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| 07:19.18 | hoxu | !search |
| 07:19.18 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 07:19.35 | hoxu | EvilGuru, grub is automatically run from the post-inst of kernel packages |
| 07:19.52 | EvilGuru | hoxu: Okay |
| 07:24.22 | yang | I googled for "at" upgrade error, but couldn't find anything that solves it - here is the problem http://www.pastebin.sk/en/7790/ |
| 07:25.31 | EvilGuru | So if I am understanding the docs correctly http://packages.debian.org/testing/admin/linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 is what I want (I am on a PIII) |
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| 07:30.43 | chrome | EvilGuru: it should work automatically but its always best to check that the menu.lst is what it should be before you reboot |
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| 07:31.15 | EvilGuru | chrome: Will do, how does it handle auto detecting stuff, such as my software RAID1 array |
| 07:31.32 | chrome | should 'just work (tm)' |
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| 07:32.21 | chrome | when you install the new kernel-image it will let you keep the old one |
| 07:32.35 | chrome | so you can always boot from that if something isn't right |
| 07:32.46 | chrome | might not be an option if you don't have console access, of course |
| 07:33.10 | chrome | but usually datacenter monkeys are able to plug in keyboard & monitor and select the correct option from grub on a reboot |
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| 07:36.58 | EvilGuru | I just got: http://rafb.net/p/QGcucq57.html which I am not totally sure about |
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| 07:37.57 | EvilGuru | I guess all it is asking is that I re-run grub install |
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| 07:39.49 | debCarlos | hi :) |
| 07:39.50 | malgar | hello! i would like to see this software in the official repositories.. how to ask to get it there? http://mytourbook.sourceforge.net/mytourbook/ |
| 07:40.26 | EvilGuru | Here goes nothing |
| 07:41.13 | debCarlos | malgar, maybe mail lists.... |
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| 07:43.07 | [Luc1fer] | is debian any better or worse than say... ubuntu? |
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| 07:44.06 | ravn | [Luc1fer]: the question is not relevant I would say, Debian and Ubuntu target different audiences... |
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| 07:44.34 | [Luc1fer] | well like how, Im curious. |
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| 07:45.21 | Blast_Hardcheese | So.... somehow debian has expanded to fill the 4 gigs I gave it |
| 07:45.39 | Blast_Hardcheese | It's a fileserver, I wasn't expecting the core OS to take 4 gigs |
| 07:46.01 | pngwn | !tell [Luc1fer] -about why debian |
| 07:46.03 | [Luc1fer] | is debian 'easier', better supported, or what. |
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| 07:46.32 | Blast_Hardcheese | Where are debs stored? |
| 07:46.40 | [Luc1fer] | that works, thanks :D |
| 07:46.50 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, apt-get clean |
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| 07:47.13 | Blast_Hardcheese | crap |
| 07:47.13 | [Luc1fer] | I didn't want to start any trouble I was just curious. |
| 07:47.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | There's not enough room to run clean |
| 07:47.49 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, uh, what does it say? |
| 07:48.02 | ravn | !tell ravn -about why debian |
| 07:48.04 | debCarlos | sets channel limit to 818 |
| 07:48.22 | Blast_Hardcheese | Ah, nevermind, I was correct in my assuming that aptitude allocated more resources than plain apt-get |
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| 07:48.50 | Blast_Hardcheese | I assumed that Aptitude would do a better job with clean than apt-get would have, after that failed I tried apt-get and it succeeded. |
| 07:49.04 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, don't assume too much :) |
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| 07:49.51 | Blast_Hardcheese | Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 07:49.56 | Blast_Hardcheese | is what the error was |
| 07:50.05 | Blast_Hardcheese | Can't remember what I did to fix that the last time I encountered it |
| 07:50.08 | liable | !mmap |
| 07:50.08 | dpkg | Getting "E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room" when using apt-get? Put the following line into your /etc/apt/apt.conf: 'APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;' . If you still get the same error, increase the value. If that file doesn't exist, add it, or put that line in a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ You can also possibly get rid of this error by deleting entries from your sources.list that you don't actually need. |
| 07:50.18 | hoxu | !tell Blast_Hardcheese about dpigs |
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| 07:52.43 | Blast_Hardcheese | ah crap. |
| 07:53.00 | Blast_Hardcheese | That's why I wanted to do it manually. |
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| 07:53.24 | Blast_Hardcheese | apt-get clean removed all the packages I was using, I was in the middle of a dist-upgrade |
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| 07:53.40 | Blast_Hardcheese | I wanted to go through and just take out the old ones. |
| 07:53.46 | debCarlos | lol |
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| 07:53.57 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, uh... there's autoclean for that |
| 07:54.28 | hoxu | note to everyone: this is why you read the manpage sections concerning commands you are given ;) |
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| 07:54.53 | hoxu | Blast_Hardcheese, sorry to hear that, I hope you aren't paying for data |
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| 07:55.20 | EvilGuru_ | Well, that was a disaster. 2.6.25 was unable to detect my RAID array (md0) |
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| 07:56.26 | Blast_Hardcheese | hoxu: Nah, I'm not... just means another hour and a half of downloading for me |
| 07:56.47 | debCarlos | Does debian installs normally on a PS3 ? |
| 07:57.36 | Blast_Hardcheese | and yeah, in hindsight I should have read the manpage for it... I thought it was a bit more urgent that I solve the problem though... to let you know what kind of mindset I was in I had watch -n .5 -d df going :) |
| 07:57.41 | lxsameer | all : how can i change the path for kde to look for lib and binaries ? |
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| 07:59.42 | [Luc1fer] | lxsameer, I know how to but Im drawing a balnk on how to express it.. |
| 08:00.01 | monobug | debCarlos, check this http://paste.debian.net/14898/ |
| 08:00.47 | lxsameer | [Luc1fer] : any article ? |
| 08:02.03 | [Luc1fer] | is it bash? |
| 08:02.23 | [Luc1fer] | if it is you have to export it too the terminal as a variable. |
| 08:03.11 | lxsameer | [Luc1fer] : what var is it PATH? |
| 08:03.40 | [Luc1fer] | I believe it is yes |
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| 08:04.54 | [Luc1fer] | sorry I can't be more concise... |
| 08:05.06 | lxsameer | [Luc1fer] :thanks |
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| 08:14.24 | simonrvn | !qotd0 |
| 08:14.24 | dpkg | <MobyTurbo> nvz: brothels .. <nvz> I never even heard that word until last night |
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| 08:21.09 | voixd | does anyone know what the linux command is that shows how the buffers are divided up? |
| 08:21.28 | voixd | as in the "buffers" amount shown by the free command or /proc/meminfo |
| 08:22.18 | EvilGuru | voixd: What do you mean by command? |
| 08:22.32 | EvilGuru | If you mean a syscall, then I do not believe there is one (open /proc/meminfo) |
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| 08:23.40 | voixd | shell command |
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| 08:24.06 | debCarlos | fsck.... the ps3 installation seems hard... |
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| 08:24.53 | debCarlos | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:24.55 | voixd | shows all the stuff that the kernel is doing internally with that space |
| 08:25.05 | voixd | stuff like network stack send and receive queues, etc. |
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| 08:27.04 | linxaddict | wystartowaÅo nowe forum dotyczÄ
ce debiana i linuksa w ogóle, zapraszam: http://debserver.org/ |
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| 08:28.33 | Farhadix | hi guys, my usb mouse dosen't work, which daemon/service in init.d i must restart to fix it? |
| 08:29.24 | liable | x |
| 08:30.19 | Farhadix | x server? |
| 08:30.28 | liable | yeah |
| 08:30.37 | Farhadix | thanks |
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| 08:33.01 | linkmaster03 | where is version.h for the kernel containing the version? a configure script cant find it and it is looking in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/version.h |
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| 08:34.56 | wols | !tell linkmaster03 about search |
| 08:36.09 | wols | linkmaster03: there is no version.h anymore tho IIRC. was changed/superceded |
| 08:36.56 | wols | hmmm, seems it does still exist after all |
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| 08:37.52 | linkmaster03 | yeah this fixed it-- apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.18-6-686 |
| 08:38.39 | ravn | anyone can tell me if there is any nice backup software for Debian to do simple backups to DVD(RW) ? |
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| 08:47.46 | Ziroday | Hi, I use sudo so therefore gksu does not work, however all the apps that need to be run as root keep running with gksu instead of gksudo, can I force them to use gksudo? |
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| 08:56.44 | buu | So |
| 08:58.07 | Ziroday | buu: with gksu it returns incorrect password even though it is correct, with gksudo not |
| 08:58.21 | egypcio | morning. does someone knows about bind9 issue with high random udp port listening in 0.0.0.0... or its happening only with me? http://pastebin.com/d1d687d1f |
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| 08:59.28 | buu | I have a cygwin rxvt window that I've used to ssh into a debian box and now my curses apps are failing to display properly, things aren't lined up properly, I see [31 instead of colors, and so on. |
| 08:59.31 | daydalu | Ziroday: gksu expects your root password, gksudo expects your user password after you added certain priviledges to sudoers |
| 08:59.34 | buu | My env is http://erxz.com/pb/11508 |
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| 08:59.58 | daydalu | Ziroday: those are 2 different concepts |
| 09:00.08 | buu | Anyone have a clue as to where I could look. |
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| 09:00.34 | UD | hi |
| 09:00.48 | Ziroday | daydalu: great, but the apps that need to run as root use gksu instead of gksudo, and gksu does not work |
| 09:00.56 | Ziroday | daydalu: can I get rid of gksu? |
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| 09:01.33 | UD | I'm not quite sure how aptitude works |
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| 09:01.35 | daydalu | buu: at first i would look whether the right locales are supported in your terminal |
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| 09:02.23 | buu | daydalu: I'll note that everything used to work perfectly, and of course, I didn't change anything. |
| 09:02.46 | Coup1 | hi |
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| 09:03.05 | UD | I noticed /usr/share/man/man2 only has the intro man page, so I did a search in aptitude and saw the i next to it, and pushed g and got "nothing to be done" type msg so i pushed u to update, seemed to get it, dpkg -l|grep man-pages shows nothing, and i still have no linux programmers manual :( |
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| 09:03.27 | daydalu | Ziroday: get your gksu to work. most likely by allowing the root user to connect to your current X, with xhost, Xauthority etc. |
| 09:03.57 | daydalu | brb |
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| 09:04.26 | UD | shouldnt all the man pages come with my core stuff? |
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| 09:05.05 | egypcio | no clue? high random udp port listening in 0.0.0.0 -> http://pastebin.com/d1d687d1f |
| 09:05.31 | buu | Hrm. |
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| 09:06.34 | ttl- | how can i enable port forwarding with ipmasq ? |
| 09:07.24 | ttl- | i need 2 external ports to be forwarded to 2 local ports |
| 09:07.49 | aleix | how can a normal user execute openvpn on debian lenny? |
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| 09:08.41 | buu | What controls the characters aumix sends? |
| 09:09.24 | theocrite | aleix: Package:openvpn Pin:a=lenny Priority:-1 ? |
| 09:09.30 | Ziroday | daydalu: but thats the thing, I use sudo, I _dont_ have a root user |
| 09:09.46 | aleix | yes, that is the one theocrite |
| 09:09.52 | buu | Ziroday: Did you delete it? |
| 09:10.04 | Ziroday | buu: no I opted not ot |
| 09:10.07 | Ziroday | *to |
| 09:10.12 | buu | Um. |
| 09:10.16 | buu | Are you using debian? |
| 09:10.42 | Ziroday | buu: yes |
| 09:10.49 | buu | That doesn't sound very debian =[ |
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| 09:13.51 | UD | debian:~# dpkg -l | grep manpages |
| 09:13.53 | UD | ii manpages 2.39-1 |
| 09:14.02 | UD | this is the most up to date? |
| 09:14.33 | UD | that debian.org has? |
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| 09:27.22 | buu | So anyway, my curses applications don't work. |
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| 09:29.54 | drizzd | how can I not install the recommended packages? |
| 09:30.51 | theocrite | jaalto: obase=16 |
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| 09:31.19 | jaalto | theocrite: Thanks |
| 09:31.25 | theocrite | UD: http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=manpages&searchon=names&suite=all§ion=all |
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| 09:39.05 | martman | anyone know of a textutil that would be good for finding the first : in a line and removing it and everything before it? |
| 09:39.19 | martman | not sure what to look into |
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| 09:41.48 | theocrite | sed awk cut perl |
| 09:43.20 | theocrite | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:44.30 | martman | thanks |
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| 09:45.34 | martman | hmm, i tried cut with those arguments(just long versions) and i get |
| 09:45.42 | martman | cut: you must specify a list of bytes, characters, or fields |
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| 09:46.13 | martman | the sed line looks scary and just prints the whole unmodified line |
| 09:46.15 | martman | hmmm |
| 09:46.19 | martman | guess this will be fun... |
| 09:47.24 | Somni | cut -d: -f2- works fine, if you changed it then the problem is probably the change you made |
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| 09:51.46 | Ziroday | Hi, I use sudo instead of having a root account so therefore gksu will not work and I need to use gksudo instead, however all apps when need to run as root use gksu instead of gksudo, is there a way I can fix this? |
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| 09:52.21 | Ziroday | By removing gksu, or linking the command gksu to gkudo? |
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| 09:56.21 | brianski | hmm, are there any packages with "prettier" gnome themes for debian? |
| 09:56.37 | brianski | i've been spoiled by ubuntu on my x86 boxes |
| 09:57.41 | Ziroday | brianski: www.gnome-look.org |
| 09:58.11 | hark | there is an alternative set for that afaik |
| 09:58.11 | hark | libgksu-gconf-defaults |
| 09:58.38 | Ziroday | hark: thanks |
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| 09:59.53 | Ziroday | hark: package not found :( |
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| 10:00.28 | hark | Ziroday: update-alternatives --config libgksu-gconf-defaults |
| 10:01.57 | Ziroday | hark: as root? |
| 10:01.59 | brianski | Ziroday: meh, but that stuff doesn't come in handy dandy packages |
| 10:02.06 | brianski | (or does it?) |
| 10:02.15 | brianski | but thanks, i'll take a look |
| 10:03.08 | hark | you might have to run update-gconf-defaults afterwards too probably |
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| 10:04.42 | hark | Ziroday: yes, or you could use gconf-editor and set sudo-mode in /apps/gksu |
| 10:04.51 | Ziroday | hark: okay |
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| 10:06.01 | Ziroday | hark: ha it works, thank you SO mucj |
| 10:06.03 | Ziroday | *much |
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| 10:06.12 | Ziroday | hark: you have no idea how hard that was to get working |
| 10:06.13 | hark | np |
| 10:06.16 | b52 | can someone tell me where i can get a debian package for vsftpd2.0.7 ? |
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| 10:07.10 | monobug | b52, did you check apt? |
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| 10:10.13 | b52 | monobug: yes, i only found 2.0.6 |
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| 10:10.45 | bartden | does linux have something similar to Active Directory of windows server 2003? |
| 10:11.06 | delight | bartden: ldap |
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| 10:12.05 | chrome | active directory is a poor imitation of LDAP :P |
| 10:12.19 | monobug | b52, what's the problem with 2.0.6? |
| 10:12.49 | delight | with properitary extensions ... M$ way like usual ... old story making ppl tyred :-D |
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| 10:14.16 | chrome | embrace and extend it until its covered in poo! |
| 10:15.03 | bartden | and something like COM objects in linux (or an other wbem interface) does that exist in linux ? |
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| 10:17.19 | chrome | bartden: probably CORBA |
| 10:17.49 | chrome | depends on what you want to do |
| 10:18.01 | chrome | people generally solve problems a little differently in the linux world |
| 10:18.24 | chrome | Microsoft's technology or methods usually don't get much of a look-in, even under a different name |
| 10:18.59 | bartden | ok thx |
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| 10:22.20 | phrozen77_ | which package contains ld.so.nohwcap? |
| 10:22.58 | b52 | monobug: vsftpd 2.0.6 has a problem with correct ssl handling, check the vsftpd page |
| 10:23.04 | Nyle | good freakin moring |
| 10:23.14 | Nyle | ning |
| 10:23.19 | Nyle | mor |
| 10:23.22 | b52 | "ith minor fixes and enhanced SSL support. SSL interoperability with FileZilla was fixed." |
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| 10:28.21 | phrozen77_ | which package contains ld.so.nohwcap? |
| 10:28.51 | debz | i've a problem http://pastebin.com/m6f4390d |
| 10:29.16 | jensp | hey there, which package do I need to install for /usr/include/linux headers? |
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| 10:30.20 | jensp | ok found it myself linux-kernel-headers |
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| 10:30.39 | wfq | hi guys |
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| 10:32.01 | b52 | or can someone help me to create a debian package for vsftpd 2.0.7 ? |
| 10:32.08 | Nyle | wju |
| 10:32.09 | wfq | I have a debian testing which I just upgraded a couple days ago so my mozilla browser got upgraded to 3.1 and now I neither vlc-plugin nor mplayer works... Do you know guys if there is any problem with them and the new version of Iceweasel on Debian? |
| 10:32.16 | Nyle | wfq, hi |
| 10:32.47 | Nyle | wfq, mv ~/.mozilla ~/.mozilla_backup |
| 10:33.02 | Nyle | wfq, remove vlc leave mplayer |
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| 10:33.21 | Nyle | wfq, by mozilla you mean firefox/iceweasel 3/3.1? |
| 10:33.29 | wfq | Nyle, yes I do |
| 10:33.38 | Nyle | ok |
| 10:33.47 | Nyle | 2.0 settings make 3.0 ff crash |
| 10:34.08 | Nyle | try this first see if it works, (plugins shouls work fine as they are installed to /usr/lib i think) |
| 10:34.27 | phrozen77_ | which package contains ld.so.nohwcap? |
| 10:34.29 | Nyle | you may need to install flash into ~/.mozilla though |
| 10:34.35 | Nyle | !tell phrozen77_ -about search |
| 10:34.38 | Nyle | phrozen77_, apt-file |
| 10:34.59 | Nyle | phrozen77_, or search on packages.debian.org |
| 10:35.11 | wfq | Nyle, ok... trying thank you |
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| 10:35.25 | Nyle | welcome |
| 10:35.44 | Nyle | I was gonna turn my ac on low before i went to bed, but i forgot |
| 10:35.49 | Nyle | i woke up with my room was like a fridge! |
| 10:37.09 | jaalto | is it possible to script debugfs? |
| 10:37.19 | jaalto | like parted? |
| 10:40.58 | wfq | Nyle, that worked. What was happening is that the pluging folder in /usr/lib/iceweasel was empty... Thank you very much. |
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| 10:42.05 | Nyle | you are welcome |
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| 10:45.30 | Nyle | !popcon |
| 10:45.30 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff, or the basis for what packages appear on the first few cds/dvds etc (by rank) |
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| 10:53.17 | SpeedyG | hey, how can I make deb remember my route settings after a reboot? |
| 10:53.27 | SpeedyG | (it keeps forgetting my default gw) |
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| 10:53.54 | js_ | SpeedyG: put it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 10:53.55 | cahoot | in interfaces? |
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| 10:54.14 | SpeedyG | doh! ofcourse :/ |
| 10:54.21 | SpeedyG | hits himself in the head |
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| 11:00.01 | php6th | help please , i got this error with fspot : Got a SIGSEGV while executing native code. This usually indicates a fatal error in the mono runtime or one of the native libraries used by your application. |
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| 11:00.56 | Nyle | what? |
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| 11:01.20 | Nyle | what the hell did I just say that for? |
| 11:01.35 | Nyle | was that a pa |
| 11:01.39 | Nyle | huh? |
| 11:01.46 | Nyle | pc is possessed |
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| 11:08.12 | Similian | is there a paket for kernel sources ? |
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| 11:10.41 | sebastian^ | Similian: which kernel? |
| 11:11.48 | Similian | in general ... i forgot it was linux-source to search for |
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| 11:11.51 | Similian | sorry |
| 11:12.03 | sebastian^ | hehe okay, no prob :) |
| 11:12.07 | Similian | i searched for kernel-source |
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| 11:12.12 | Similian | I thought it changed |
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| 11:19.47 | ShishKabab | Hello. How do I make permanent changes to /etc/resolv.conf? |
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| 11:21.00 | utb_diablo | ShishKabab, let's see /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/ |
| 11:21.46 | deus___ | i'm kind of confused, where on the debian.org page can I find the iso for lenny (i386) (weekly build)? apparently there is just an i386.tmp folder, which is empty O.o |
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| 11:22.24 | kgoetz | deus___: they had problems building the image, it should get fixed early next week |
| 11:22.35 | deus___ | thanks, sir |
| 11:22.42 | kgoetz | np |
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| 11:23.02 | lxsameer | when i try cmakekde in kdesupport i get http://phpfi.com/344095 |
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| 11:23.30 | Nyle | ARGH! |
| 11:23.49 | Nyle | ShishKabab, just edit the file /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:23.52 | Nyle | whats the problem |
| 11:24.35 | ShishKabab | Nyle: It says "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN" at the top |
| 11:24.51 | Nyle | why |
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| 11:25.16 | Nyle | I'm using lenny and mine doesn't say it |
| 11:25.22 | Nyle | mine never gets overwritten |
| 11:25.38 | Nyle | ShishKabab, which debian version are you using/ |
| 11:25.41 | ShishKabab | I'm using sid |
| 11:25.46 | Nyle | goodbye. |
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| 11:28.56 | cahoot | that's not version dependent |
| 11:29.00 | Nyle | i know |
| 11:29.08 | Nyle | but think |
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| 11:29.51 | cahoot | ShishKabab: try /msg dpkg resolv.conf |
| 11:30.32 | sander_ | How can I add the gpg key for http://www.debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 11:31.09 | ShishKabab | cahoot: Thank you! |
| 11:31.14 | Nyle | cahoot, I don't have that, and using DHCP, I never have a problem with my file being overwritten. |
| 11:31.30 | wols | sander_: read the site's instructions |
| 11:31.33 | sander_ | ..So I get the apt-get mirror working |
| 11:31.36 | Nyle | What do you make of that? |
| 11:31.44 | cahoot | Nyle: chatrr'd the file? |
| 11:31.56 | cahoot | Nyle: err chattr |
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| 11:32.12 | Nyle | nope |
| 11:32.15 | Nyle | never touched it |
| 11:32.22 | Nyle | just editid it once when i installed sid |
| 11:32.29 | Nyle | recently converted it to lenny |
| 11:32.32 | egypcio | sander_; installing debian-multimedia-keyring |
| 11:32.59 | cahoot | Nyle: luckky you |
| 11:33.03 | cahoot | meh |
| 11:33.06 | Nyle | heh |
| 11:33.10 | Nyle | how am I lucky? |
| 11:33.33 | Nyle | I am just blowing wind out my ass. My file literally never gets overwritten |
| 11:33.41 | Nyle | I never did anything to change the behaviour |
| 11:33.52 | Nyle | this is a 3 year old sid machine recently converted to stable |
| 11:33.53 | cahoot | Nyle: lots of people have problems getting resolv.conf left untouched |
| 11:33.54 | Nyle | almost stable |
| 11:34.00 | Nyle | hm |
| 11:34.04 | hoxu | ShishKabab, do you want to override nameservers? |
| 11:34.06 | kgoetz | dhclient.conf ;) |
| 11:34.18 | Nyle | cahoot, are we sure its not a bug in some packge somwhere or config file |
| 11:34.26 | egypcio | any clue? random udp port (named) listening on 0.0.0.0 -> http://pastebin.com/d1d687d1f |
| 11:34.31 | Nyle | anyway |
| 11:34.39 | ShishKabab | hoxu: Yes |
| 11:34.41 | hoxu | this is a new factoid: |
| 11:34.43 | hoxu | !resolv.conf |
| 11:34.43 | dpkg | from memory, resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, use eg. "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. You can also "prepend" or "append" instead of "supersede". |
| 11:34.46 | cahoot | Nyle: it's a feature |
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| 11:34.55 | Nyle | I see |
| 11:34.59 | Nyle | so when i installed mine |
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| 11:35.03 | Nyle | the feature was probably turned off |
| 11:35.04 | hoxu | ShishKabab, use that, don't mess with resolv.conf manually :) |
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| 11:35.05 | Nyle | ? |
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| 11:35.15 | Nyle | thats the only explanation I can think of really |
| 11:35.23 | cahoot | Nyle: ls -la /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:35.43 | Nyle | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 23 2008-06-15 21:28 /etc/resolv.conf |
| 11:36.18 | ShishKabab | I'm now editing /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
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| 11:36.41 | Nyle | sudo nano /etc/resolv.conf; delete everything, write 1 line of my nameserver and thats it |
| 11:36.45 | Nyle | it never get mess up |
| 11:37.03 | Nyle | i dunno why peple having problems |
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| 11:37.30 | Nyle | and yes, I using a dhcp in interfaces file |
| 11:37.34 | Nyle | +am |
| 11:37.50 | cahoot | you problably have helpful gnomes on the system |
| 11:38.01 | ShishKabab | I edited /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf and it works perfectly now |
| 11:38.09 | hoxu | Nyle, lsattr /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:38.23 | Nyle | ------------------- /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 11:38.39 | Nyle | Linux laptop 2.6.25-2-686 #1 SMP Wed May 14 16:42:03 UTC 2008 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 11:38.54 | Nyle | so its not ubuntu or knopppix or anything |
| 11:38.55 | Nyle | you know |
| 11:39.04 | Nyle | it IS debian |
| 11:39.37 | hoxu | where is this alternative universe your server lives in, and how do I get mine hosted there? :P |
| 11:39.45 | Nyle | heh |
| 11:39.48 | Nyle | I dunno man |
| 11:40.01 | Nyle | I'm sitting here wondering why you guys write that in resolv.conf |
| 11:40.04 | Nyle | to not edit this file by hand |
| 11:40.08 | Nyle | i did, it never messes up |
| 11:40.17 | Nyle | but anyway! im gonn go back to bed soon |
| 11:40.18 | enouf | ShishKabab: which version of debian? |
| 11:40.26 | Nyle | sid |
| 11:40.30 | Nyle | oye |
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| 11:40.33 | enouf | tucks Nyle in |
| 11:40.33 | Nyle | pokes enouf |
| 11:40.36 | Nyle | aww |
| 11:40.41 | Nyle | thanks grampa |
| 11:40.45 | enouf | haha |
| 11:40.50 | Nyle | :D |
| 11:40.56 | enouf | prods Nyle with his cane |
| 11:41.18 | hoxu | !annoy bob2 |
| 11:41.18 | dpkg | Why do i get "NO SCREENS FOUND"?!?! HELP ME FUX0RS!!!!!!!!! |
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| 11:42.54 | Nyle | dpkg, check in /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 11:42.54 | dpkg | Nyle: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 11:42.57 | Nyle | ;) |
| 11:43.05 | utb_diablo | X -configure ? |
| 11:43.15 | Nyle | no |
| 11:43.19 | Nyle | dpkg is channel bot |
| 11:43.19 | dpkg | Nyle: bugger all, i dunno |
| 11:43.26 | hoxu | dpkg, are you a bot? |
| 11:43.27 | dpkg | hoxu: have you tried http://www.tldp.org/ ? |
| 11:43.35 | Nyle | dpkg, stfu |
| 11:43.36 | dpkg | stfu is probably Shut The Fuck Up, or see also http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/the_real_official_motto.jpeg |
| 11:43.38 | enouf | interesting dirs, /etc/dhcp3/ and /etc/dhcpc and the files and symlinks within, pointing elsewhere; 1) config -> /etc/default/dhcpcd 2) dhcpcd.exe -> /etc/dhcpcd.sh 3) resolv.conf -> /var/lib/dhcpcd/resolv.conf |
| 11:43.40 | Nyle | nm |
| 11:43.59 | Nyle | hm |
| 11:44.02 | hoxu | enouf, exe? |
| 11:44.08 | Nyle | apparantly |
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| 11:44.28 | dFence | http://people.debian.org/~branden/humor/ -> 404 |
| 11:44.45 | enouf | hoxu: nice one eh? |
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| 11:45.19 | enouf | hoxu: older dhcpcd{-bin} stuff i guess |
| 11:45.29 | hoxu | dFence, thanks for pointing out, removed |
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| 11:45.40 | dFence | np |
| 11:45.47 | hoxu | enouf, what's that? Not debian? |
| 11:45.57 | Nyle | hey |
| 11:46.03 | Nyle | whats the matter with you huh? |
| 11:46.20 | Nyle | you have nothing else to do right now/ |
| 11:46.25 | Nyle | go make some coffee or something |
| 11:46.34 | Nyle | old man walkin! |
| 11:47.09 | Nyle | throws a ball at enouf |
| 11:47.34 | enouf | hoxu: ofcourse it's debian |
| 11:47.54 | hoxu | !find dhcpcd.exe |
| 11:47.56 | Nyle | aww |
| 11:47.59 | Nyle | I ran out of skittles |
| 11:48.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'dhcpcd.exe' returned no results. |
| 11:48.02 | Nyle | im gonna go back to sleep |
| 11:48.05 | Nyle | bye bye bye bye bye |
| 11:48.05 | Nyle | ! |
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| 11:49.20 | yannick_ | how can I kill this process |
| 11:49.21 | yannick_ | root 23183 99.1 0.0 0 0 ? R< Aug15 1020:01 [smbiod] |
| 11:49.29 | yannick_ | this process taking up the whole cpu, and can't I kill it definitely |
| 11:49.33 | yannick_ | kill -9 pid doesn't work |
| 11:49.54 | quitte | yannick_: it is related to samba |
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| 11:50.20 | yannick_ | yes, If i do /etc/init.d/samba stop |
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| 11:50.27 | yannick_ | it's still running |
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| 11:50.41 | hoxu | yannick_, "ps -H ax" and try killing the parent? |
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| 11:51.39 | yannick_ | it does not have a parent, I think |
| 11:51.39 | yannick_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:51.39 | yannick_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:52.06 | hoxu | yannick_, try grep -C5 |
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| 11:52.41 | hoxu | sounds fishy that kill -9 doesn't work |
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| 11:54.18 | hoxu | quitte, thanks for the factoid, but that's not zombie, it's "R<", running with high priority |
| 11:54.28 | yannick_ | nothing special in the -C5 output |
| 11:54.46 | hoxu | yannick_, nothing special as in it has no parent? |
| 11:54.47 | quitte | yes. with the brackets it looks like a kernel process |
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| 11:55.15 | hoxu | good point :p |
| 11:55.15 | quitte | is there some cifs or smbfs mounted? |
| 11:55.20 | yannick_ | nope |
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| 11:55.27 | yannick_ | what's cifs? |
| 11:55.52 | quitte | yannick_: new name and implementation. or im confusing the name |
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| 11:56.06 | quitte | any modules loaded related to that? |
| 11:57.07 | hoxu | are the brackets set by the program itself by modifying argv[0] or what? |
| 11:57.12 | yannick_ | not that I'm aware of |
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| 11:58.43 | quitte | hoxu: according to google it is a kernerl thread that is part of smbfs |
| 12:02.19 | yannick_ | root 8028 98.6 0.0 0 0 ? S< Aug15 1047:54 [smbiod] |
| 12:02.23 | yannick_ | the "98.6" |
| 12:02.31 | yannick_ | that means it uses 98% of the cpu, not? |
| 12:02.58 | quitte | yes |
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| 12:04.01 | quitte | hoxu: is updating the kernel an option? |
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| 12:05.10 | hoxu | yannick_, ^ that question was for you |
| 12:05.20 | quitte | oh sorry |
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| 12:06.19 | quitte | yannick_: it seems to be problem with smbfs. that is deprecated anyways. stop using it and use cifs instead |
| 12:07.11 | quitte | yannick_: that solved the same problem for a german ubuntu forum user |
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| 12:08.59 | maligor | _ is illegal in package names? |
| 12:09.11 | quitte | yes |
| 12:10.00 | maligor | how annoying |
| 12:10.12 | quitte | maligor: it is used in the filename for the arch and version |
| 12:10.24 | maligor | gdb cross/amd64 wants to make the package name gdb-x86_64 |
| 12:10.51 | maligor | or actually gdb-x86_64-linux-gnu |
| 12:10.59 | jaalto | Has anyone used expect? I can store the output to a variable but how can I use it to send it to another command |
| 12:11.14 | jaalto | Inside the expect |
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| 12:12.29 | quitte | maligor: hmm. look at the output of dpkg-architecture -aamd64 then find where in the rules file it sets x86_64 instead of amd64 using that information |
| 12:13.37 | maligor | err.. you misunderstand |
| 12:13.45 | maligor | I'm building a cossarch version of gdb |
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| 12:14.13 | quitte | ok. i don't think i misunderstand |
| 12:14.20 | _Izbranniy_ | ÐÑед |
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| 12:14.29 | Pantera_ | СÐÐÐÐЧÐÐ ÐСÐÐ:-* |
| 12:14.37 | maligor | wouldn't -aamd64 mean for amd64 arch? |
| 12:14.45 | Pantera_ | ÐлаÑÑно ÑÑÑ ÑÑолÑко лÑдей ÑÐ¸Ð´Ð¸Ñ |
| 12:14.46 | maligor | the package is for i386 for debugging amd64 remotely |
| 12:14.50 | abrotman | Pantera_: english |
| 12:14.52 | quitte | maligor: yes. that _is_ amd64 |
| 12:14.58 | Pantera_ | ÐоÑÑанем ÑÑÑÑ
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| 12:14.59 | _Izbranniy_ | Че Ñе |
| 12:15.01 | quitte | ah |
| 12:15.12 | abrotman | !ru |
| 12:15.12 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 12:15.21 | Pantera_ | Hi for everyblew here |
| 12:15.47 | Pantera_ | I dont understand u |
| 12:15.58 | abrotman | speak english here |
| 12:16.05 | maligor | I found where it sets it tho |
| 12:16.29 | quitte | maligor: hmm sorry can'r help you. i still think it gets the x86_64 from dpkg-architecture and should use amd64 instead |
| 12:16.36 | Pantera_ | I dont know english very well, understand? Dumbass |
| 12:16.48 | abrotman | so which language would you like to speak ? |
| 12:16.59 | Pantera_ | Rutsrian |
| 12:17.05 | abrotman | !ru |
| 12:17.06 | dpkg | Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 12:17.06 | Pantera_ | Russian |
| 12:17.10 | abrotman | so go to the russian channel |
| 12:17.25 | Pantera_ | I dont want this is |
| 12:17.32 | cahoot | isn't Dombas a russioan region? |
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| 12:17.42 | Pantera_ | NO NO NO |
| 12:18.06 | Pantera_ | Ðлин Ñже не инÑеÑпо |
| 12:18.10 | maligor | quitte, hmm.. you're correct |
| 12:18.11 | Pantera_ | ÐнÑеÑеÑно |
| 12:18.12 | abrotman | Pantera_: english only here |
| 12:18.14 | Pantera_ | ХеÑ
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| 12:18.27 | Pantera_ | Та поÑел ÑÑ Ð¿ÑидÑÑок |
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| 12:18.34 | Pantera_ | ТÑпÑе |
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| 12:19.08 | maligor | I just overrode the automatic guesswork |
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| 12:22.43 | egypcio | any clue? random udp port (bind9) listening on 0.0.0.0 -> http://pastebin.com/m7a115c25 |
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| 12:23.49 | KukMan | Hi. How do downgrade from 4.4.1 to 4.4.0 version of QT? |
| 12:24.51 | quitte | egypcio: listen-on statement in the config file |
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| 12:26.42 | quitte | KukMan: usually you don' |
| 12:26.49 | egypcio | quitte; know it, but.... even with liste-on the port param dont get a random value |
| 12:26.54 | quitte | t. why would you? |
| 12:27.10 | egypcio | quitte; think that you didnt see the pastebin content |
| 12:27.36 | quitte | egypcio: i had a glimpse at it |
| 12:28.02 | egypcio | d; |
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| 12:31.36 | quitte | egypcio: you are worried about the 0.0.0.0:60608? isn't that where bind is connecting from? |
| 12:32.07 | egypcio | ja. |
| 12:32.16 | egypcio | but... dont want 0.0.0.0. |
| 12:32.40 | pingouin | how to exclude some files/directory when cp -r ? |
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| 12:32.50 | egypcio | even with listen-on { ip; ip2..; }; it became 0.0.0.0 |
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| 12:33.03 | quitte | why? to be sure it doesnt ask on the local net? |
| 12:33.38 | quitte | egypcio: bind has to ask other servers on the net |
| 12:34.57 | quitte | egypcio: but i admit im having trouble parsing netstat output |
| 12:35.23 | egypcio | answ1; cuz I want... answ2; have some aliases and I dont want to put named running... answ3; just want to know |
| 12:35.25 | egypcio | ;( |
| 12:36.03 | enouf | hoxu: http://packages.debian.org/search?searchon=contents&keywords=dhcpcd.exe&mode=path&suite=stable&arch=any |
| 12:36.36 | egypcio | look, quitte; http://pastebin.com/m20c4f07 same issue with a fbsd box.... asked this question in #bind but no clue |
| 12:36.41 | enouf | http://packages.debian.org/etch/i386/dhcpcd/filelist |
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| 12:41.01 | stevil | anyone happen to know how to force a samba share unmount, when the samba server has died? because unmounting it now i'm getting "can't write superblock", now i don't want to reboot the server just to get rid of the samba share |
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| 12:48.06 | dasorm | does anyone know a good tool to make normal music cds from a collection of m4a files? |
| 12:48.30 | theocrite | Did you try k3b ? |
| 12:48.42 | dasorm | oh can it do that? marvellous! |
| 12:48.52 | deus___ | gnomebaker can't do that? |
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| 12:54.38 | pumpkin0 | dasorm: grip is nice too. |
| 12:55.21 | cahoot | for writing audiocd? |
| 12:55.54 | defrysk | cant serpentine do that ? |
| 12:57.45 | defrysk | does serpentine not support m4a ? |
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| 12:57.50 | enouf | sox? ffmpeg? to convert to wav? |
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| 12:58.49 | enouf | wtf with all these crappy funkassed formats |
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| 12:59.19 | defrysk | ogg rules |
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| 13:04.56 | deus___ | happy debian day to everybody btw :p |
| 13:05.34 | Tapout | ? |
| 13:05.45 | Tapout | happy starbucks day to you |
| 13:05.45 | enouf | heh, /me slaps deus___ around with a bit of a time warp ;-P |
| 13:06.01 | deus___ | is from europe |
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| 13:09.33 | linux_jones5 | how do i add repositorys after a base install? is there an easy way to look them up? |
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| 13:10.24 | cahoot | linux_jones5: try /msg dpkg sources |
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| 13:14.02 | linux_jones5 | cahoot: i know that, but where do i get the actual url |
| 13:14.41 | cahoot | linux_jones5: try /msg dpkg mirrors perhaps |
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| 13:20.37 | linux_jones5 | cahoot whats the format for sources.list? im sorry im still kinda getting used to this, and i did a base install to keep in simple, but cant install anything now because i didnt pick a mirror during the install |
| 13:22.04 | cahoot | linux_jones5: spelled out in /msg dpkg sources |
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| 13:22.31 | cahoot | linux_jones5: it's a simple textfile |
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| 13:23.12 | Stack0000 | hi all! who now how to enable alt+ctrl+fn keys in X? |
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| 13:26.05 | dasorm | k3b doesn't do mp3 --> wav decoding .. which tool do i need? |
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| 13:27.26 | up365 | Celebrations,the DebianProject turns 15,founded 1993 by Ian Murdock to be truly free,one of the largest and most influential open source projects. |
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| 13:28.19 | jimmyb | Hi, I am trying to get Debian installed, version 4.0 and I am stuck at getting the hard drive to work, I remember it probably has something to do with this being an Intel ICH9DH |
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| 13:31.28 | Stack0000 | ? |
| 13:31.40 | abrotman | jimmyb: you probably need etchnhalf or lenny |
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| 13:32.20 | jimmyb | I remember having to make a flsh key install last time, but I can't remember the site where I got it from...they had a special installer for people using boards with ICH9DH |
| 13:32.26 | jimmyb | flash* |
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| 13:33.10 | abrotman | jimmyb: the kmuto stuff? |
| 13:33.27 | jimmyb | I think it might have been that, yeah |
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| 13:35.39 | abrotman | !kmuto |
| 13:35.39 | dpkg | For etch (or sarge) installers with up-to-date kernels, see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/, or ask me about <etchnhalf>. |
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| 13:35.44 | abrotman | though etchnhalf has a .24 kernel |
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| 13:49.22 | Akuw | i am suing select * from uno, dos where ciudad = name; |
| 13:49.36 | Akuw | but i got ERROR: column reference "ciudad" is ambiguous |
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| 13:49.51 | linux_jones5 | ok so this may be a stupid problem, but i did the base install, and installed xdm and xfce4, and when i reboot, i see it starts x display manager xdm, but still dumps me at the terminal, am i missing something |
| 13:50.13 | hoxu | Akuw, you need to prefix it with table name then, consult your MySQL documentation for SQL syntax |
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| 13:51.29 | linux_jones5 | do i need to apt-get xserver first? |
| 13:51.41 | hoxu | linux_jones5, check the logs, /var/log/ |
| 13:52.27 | abrotman | did you install the 'xorg' package ? |
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| 13:59.35 | roldyx__ | decoder error: no suitable decoder module for fourcc `samr' |
| 13:59.49 | roldyx__ | why this error? |
| 14:00.06 | roldyx__ | when i try play a video with vlc |
| 14:00.18 | roldyx__ | or xine or mplayer.. |
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| 14:04.29 | kimabrandt | I made a debian package which has all the contents it should, including the init script... what could be the reason that the init script is not put under /etc/init.d when installing the package? Any clues? |
| 14:05.24 | stew | kimabrandt: does "dpkg -c foo.deb" show the initscript in /etc/init.d ? |
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| 14:06.13 | kimabrandt | stew: yes, its in the package. |
| 14:06.35 | stew | kimabrandt: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 14:07.11 | jan___ | my pc freezes, after logging out of kde (3.5.9)...I only get a black screen....even Ctrl-Alt-F1 doesn't work....any idea? ^^ |
| 14:07.31 | cahoot | look at logs? |
| 14:07.35 | abrotman | which driver? |
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| 14:07.51 | stew | ahh, ssh-keygen drew me a picture! how nice |
| 14:08.10 | jan___ | cahoot: which logs? ^^ |
| 14:08.44 | noo3 | hi all. Im building a python script for GNUmed and I was told that to have it included I need to make sure the app is runnable system-wide. am I asking this question the right channel? |
| 14:08.52 | cahoot | jan___: like /var/log/Xorg.0.log and ~/.xsession-errors |
| 14:08.56 | noo3 | note Gnumed is debian project |
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| 14:09.46 | linuxjones513 | so now im haveing trouble configureing x, it says screens found but non have useable configuration, how can i find out the x server driver? its an onboard video card for an dell dimension, the specs say its a vga card, but that does not seem to be working... am i being too stupid? |
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| 14:10.21 | tralala | any manuals for setting up dual head display on etch? |
| 14:10.44 | benedikt | Mail that gets sent to my linux account (Youve got new mail in /var/mail/benedikt), isnt there any way to forward that to a "real" mailaddress? |
| 14:10.46 | stew | tralala: the xinerama howto |
| 14:11.00 | tralala | stew, thank you |
| 14:11.01 | stew | linuxjones513: /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 14:11.43 | stew | noo3: you didn't ask an actual question |
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| 14:11.46 | linuxjones513 | stew thats where the stuff about no useably configuration stuff is coming from, will it tell me in there what driver i should be using? |
| 14:11.55 | kimabrandt | stew: alright... 'dpkg -i --force-confmiss package.deb' worked nicely... is there any problem with my debian/* files or do I have to live with this? thank you. |
| 14:12.00 | Fireball | congrats with 15 years anniversary |
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| 14:12.08 | stew | linuxjones513: it will tell you what driver you are using. what version of debian is this? |
| 14:12.14 | noo3 | stew: what is mean by runnable system-wide, and how would I mody my app so that is it? Thanks :) |
| 14:12.19 | linuxjones513 | stew etch |
| 14:12.33 | stew | linuxjones513: if you have "screens found" then you are using the right driver |
| 14:12.55 | stew | linuxjones513: but the "none have a usable configuration" is that they are out of range for your monitor |
| 14:13.43 | stew | noo3: it should have a chmod +x script in /usr/bin which doesn't have a .py exstension that when called from the command line, starts your app |
| 14:14.30 | noo3 | stew: I shall now google your answer so I can understand it :) Thanks, I think that will be a good pointer. |
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| 14:14.51 | linuxjones513 | stew: by out of range, do you mean the sync ranges? and is there a command to start x without restarting the computer every time? |
| 14:14.53 | stew | noo3: if there is some part of that which doesn't make sense feel free to ask me for a clarification |
| 14:15.28 | Nazz | startx :-D |
| 14:15.29 | stew | linuxjones513: yes, i mean the sync ranges. you certainly don't have to restart the computer, type "startx" at a prompt to try to start x |
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| 14:16.09 | stew | linuxjones513: if you upload your /var/log/Xorg.0.log and /etc/X11/xorg.conf to a pastebin (such as http://paste.debian.net) we'd probably able to help |
| 14:16.16 | noo3 | stew: Im not actually in charge of putting it in gnumed, I just need to make the acutally python script system wide runnable, so I read and I think that means include #!/usr/bin/Python or something like that, right? |
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| 14:17.04 | Stack0000 | who help me? I can't enable ctrl+alt+fn keys in X. |
| 14:17.05 | Nazz | you need to put it in a directory in each users path which most likely is something like /usr/bin |
| 14:17.22 | Nazz | you might want to remove the .py extensions but you can leave it |
| 14:17.30 | Nazz | then you need to execute chmod +x /usr/bin/theprogram, to actually make it executable |
| 14:17.32 | stew | no he must remove the .py extension |
| 14:17.39 | dusty__ | Hey guys I have a really wierd problem, I have two debian virtual servers (openvz slices) on two different companies, different ip ranges, etc, if i try sshing from one server to the other it can never resolve its name (dns name) but can connect via ip, as you can see in thius paste: http://rafb.net/p/fl1qEl41.html what i dont understand this is the only system that cannot sshd to the hostname, any ideas what could be causing this, ? |
| 14:17.43 | stew | noo3: yes, but #!/usr/bin/python not #!/usr/bin/Python |
| 14:18.42 | noo3 | stew: heh, heh, thanks, Its the small things the cause major headaches, |
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| 14:18.47 | stew | dusty__: what does "getent hosts ns1.stoned-hacker.co.uk" return? |
| 14:18.55 | Nazz | i can run .py scripts located in /usr/bin |
| 14:19.32 | noo3 | stew: if your dont mind, who would I make sure the addtionalmodules it imports also work ,Ihave one extra specific module that itneed to use, that I wrote |
| 14:20.43 | noo3 | stew I mean HOW not WHO |
| 14:21.08 | Nazz | depending on your python version: /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/<module-name> /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/<module-name> are the places |
| 14:21.25 | ewet | hi again, I still try to get my display running at 960x600 but still only the half of the screen is shown (horizontally - fully stretched). So that's possibly problems with doublescan - what's this about? what to do? |
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| 14:21.52 | dusty__ | stew, it returns nothing: http://rafb.net/p/bFw8jP96.html |
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| 14:22.06 | ewet | I tried my own modeline with no effect |
| 14:22.17 | cahoot | ewet: xrandr -q lists that resolution? |
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| 14:23.36 | noo3 | Nazz: so I can read more about this, where shoudl I google? |
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| 14:23.47 | stew | dusty__: what does "grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf" return? |
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| 14:25.16 | Nazz | noo3: well if you need to learn more abouth your system path (where python searches for modules) you can enter the python shell and there enter "import sys; print sys.path" |
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| 14:25.39 | ewet | cahoot: it gives this http://sprunge.us/hDOd? |
| 14:25.43 | Nazz | as for making a script executable there's nothing more to it in my opinion |
| 14:26.35 | Nazz | http://docs.python.org/tut/node8.html might prove itself useful too |
| 14:26.39 | noo3 | Nazz, yes, that and i need to know what I would call about what I am asking about, so I can go read some more on it bu googling,ie what does #!/usr/bin fall under so I can read more, but your answers are quite helpful, I just want to read more |
| 14:26.52 | cahoot | ewet: and xrandr -s 960x600 results in what you described above I suppose |
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| 14:27.05 | fuzza | hi all |
| 14:27.12 | CharminTheMoose | whenever I play quake 3 using the ioquake3 engine and the libopenal0a from the debian testing repositories, the sound crackles really badly.. so far this hasn't happened until now. anyone know what the cause of the problem might be? I'm running a custom kernel and debian testing. other audio such as music plays fine.. |
| 14:27.16 | noo3 | Nazz: so in my app, I just include /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/<module-name> or whereever Debian states private modules are stored? |
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| 14:27.45 | ewet | cahoot: yes |
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| 14:28.18 | Nazz | if for example your module is contained in a file "scraping.py" you could put in /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/ and then just do a "import scraping" from the main script which would be located in /usr/bin |
| 14:28.24 | cahoot | ewet: does Xorg.0.log say why? |
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| 14:29.21 | Nazz | read the above link regarding python modules it worked for me :-) |
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| 14:30.30 | fuzza | I have a Presario desktop with onboard forcedeth network card, which I've just added a PCI 8139too card to. Both cards are detected by drivers (order can be random but compiling in fixes that) but when I try to do anything with the "second" card (whichever that happens to be) I get errors similar to driver-not-installed (device not found, etc)... seems like an IRQ / APIC / etc problem to me? |
| 14:30.31 | ewet | (II) NVIDIA(0): Setting mode "960x600" ## that's about it (when I stated xrandr) |
| 14:31.01 | fuzza | sorry, this is 2.6.18 |
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| 14:31.59 | ewet | cahoot: but I can of course paste the xorg log if you like |
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| 14:32.43 | ewet | cahoot: or is there any way to make xorg more verbose? |
| 14:32.45 | fuzza | it _does_ work with Knoppix interestingly... I'm needing to run with "noapic" due to detection panics on boot, while Knoppix doesn't seem to need it |
| 14:33.39 | zorrolero | dusty__: maybe you should add another dns-server to your /etc/resolv.conf. your actual dns 128.107.241.185 seems to be very slow/under heavy load. maybe thats the cause for your problem. |
| 14:34.22 | cahoot | ewet: I'm actually not sure xrandr and nvidia work too well together - doesn't nvdia have its own config app? |
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| 14:37.16 | dustybin | is there a non-free flash player for iceweasel? |
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| 14:37.39 | dustybin | or do i need to download it manually from adobe website? |
| 14:37.41 | dmoerner | !flash |
| 14:37.41 | dpkg | hmm... flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 14:37.47 | dmoerner | !adobe flash |
| 14:37.47 | dpkg | Adobe Flash Player is a non-free Flash player and can be installed with flashplugin-nonfree. This package was removed from Etch and will not be included in future stable releases (see http://bugs.debian.org/457291); use the one from backports.org (ask me about <non-free> <bpo> <adobe flash testing>). If you are using a 64-bit browser, ask me about <nspluginwrapper>. For more details, see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 14:37.57 | dustybin | thanks |
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| 14:38.23 | dustybin | Package flashplugin-nonfree is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 14:38.34 | dmoerner | dustybin, did you read the factoid :) |
| 14:38.43 | dustybin | im dislexic |
| 14:39.04 | dmoerner | if you run etch or lenny, you need to get flash from either backports or sid, respectively |
| 14:39.14 | dustybin | aye pl |
| 14:39.18 | dustybin | ok |
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| 14:40.25 | ewet | cahoot: well at least it has some automatic 'black-magic-foo' that will rewrite xorg.conf (not to the better) |
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| 14:41.20 | ewet | and an X-app to see some values as well showing me an error about my modelines (pasting right now) |
| 14:41.43 | dusty__ | stew: I am using a web based terminal and cannot scroll up, just got back to my pc now and can't see if you replied ? |
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| 14:42.21 | ewet | cahoot: here http://sprunge.us/DAFS? |
| 14:42.43 | zorrolero | dusty__: maybe you should add/replace another dns-server to your /etc/resolv.conf. your actual dns 128.107.241.185 seems to be very slow/under heavy load. maybe thats the cause for your problem. |
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| 14:43.02 | benedikt | If i installed postfix with apt-get install postfix, it includes the sendmail "emulator" to enable web applications to send mail, right? |
| 14:43.18 | benedikt | The machine had sendmail but it was fucking everything up so i switched to postfix |
| 14:43.33 | dustybin | ive installed lenny on a old PIII, when it boots, it displays all the POST information with a number in brackets before, like [234324.234] blabla, is this a new feature with kernel 2.6.25 ? |
| 14:43.39 | cahoot | ewet: created by cvt or gtf? |
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| 14:43.54 | dmoerner | dustybin, that has been around forever it's just a timestap on entries in the dmesg |
| 14:44.20 | dustybin | dmoerner: this doesnt happen on my machine upstairs, only on this new install? |
| 14:44.44 | ewet | cahoot: cvt |
| 14:44.53 | elik | dustybin, yeah, I think it is recent |
| 14:44.57 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 14:45.28 | dustybin | for the 1st time ever, im using LVM to manage my partitions, i used the option from the installer menu |
| 14:45.29 | elik | dustybin, it appeared in the last 4-6 mo or so, cause I remember it wasn't there before |
| 14:45.50 | dustybin | df -H shows |
| 14:45.55 | dustybin | /dev/mapper/ etc |
| 14:46.03 | dustybin | ive never used LVM before |
| 14:46.23 | dustybin | but it makes logical sense, so one can keep partitons and not worry if they oversize |
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| 14:47.04 | dustybin | ive done a minimal install of debian lenny + xfce4 on a PIII 733 with 512megs of RAM, it works pretty darn good |
| 14:47.16 | cahoot | ewet: for some reason gtf gives a slightly different modeline from cvt (same refresh) |
| 14:47.26 | benedikt | dustybin: p3's are powerful enough.. (not for ms vista though) |
| 14:47.27 | MartinCleaver | what's the right way to ensure a service is going to start on reboot? chkconfig doesn't exist. http://www.directadmin.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22842 is a workaround, is there a proper way? |
| 14:47.33 | dmoerner | dustybin, if you boot with "quiet" in the kernel line it won't show that stuff |
| 14:47.41 | benedikt | MartinCleaver: my favoirte is to use rcconf |
| 14:47.53 | dmoerner | MartinCleaver, examine /etc/rcX.d or use rcconf/sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:47.56 | dustybin | aye ok |
| 14:48.05 | jelly-home | MartinCleaver: update-rc.d |
| 14:48.06 | ewet | cahoot: I was told cvt is mor appropiate for TFT displays |
| 14:48.10 | dustybin | another strange thing ive noticed, xorg.conf doesnt show much information |
| 14:48.12 | cahoot | I see |
| 14:48.13 | dustybin | everything says |
| 14:48.15 | dustybin | Identifier "Configured Video Device" |
| 14:48.22 | dustybin | why? |
| 14:48.32 | dustybin | Monitor "Configured Monitor" |
| 14:48.37 | dustybin | everything is Configured? |
| 14:49.01 | dustybin | i wanted to make sure xorg was using a intel driver |
| 14:49.17 | dmoerner | dustybin, xorg 7.3 and newer tries to autoconfigure as much stuff as possible |
| 14:49.24 | dustybin | ok |
| 14:49.27 | dmoerner | examine /var/log/Xorg.0.log to see what driver is in use |
| 14:49.41 | jimmyb | abrotman: Do know if the kernel in kmuto's etch-custom-0622.iso is SMP? |
| 14:49.54 | elik | dustybin, yeah, I found my xorg.conf pretty empty... but when I installed my nvidia drivers, just added a Driver "nvidia" line to the device and it was all fine |
| 14:49.57 | MartinCleaver | I tried /usr/sbin/update-rc.d avahi-daemon defaults |
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| 14:50.13 | dustybin | its using intel, good |
| 14:50.14 | MartinCleaver | hmm |
| 14:50.34 | abrotman | jimmyb: i would assume so .. but can't say for certain .. you can check in the /proc/version or uname -a |
| 14:50.49 | MartinCleaver | ok. maybe that will work |
| 14:50.52 | MartinCleaver | thx |
| 14:51.06 | ewet | cahoot: but I can still try out gtf as well - still this 960x600 thing with ... what? - doublescan errors? or what. it would be a great advance if I'd know what displaying only the half of the screen could be |
| 14:51.21 | dustybin | one last ? |
| 14:51.30 | jetscreamer | jimmyb: most debian kernels are now smp enabled by default |
| 14:51.34 | jetscreamer | afaik |
| 14:51.40 | dustybin | when using lenny, should my UK multimedia repo look like this: |
| 14:51.47 | dustybin | deb http://debian-multimedia.fx-services.com/ lenny main |
| 14:52.06 | jetscreamer | .fx-services.com ? |
| 14:52.09 | elik | dustybin, hum.. I use the debian-multimedia directly |
| 14:52.10 | jetscreamer | never heard of it |
| 14:52.16 | dustybin | http://debian-multimedia.org/debian-m.php |
| 14:52.19 | elik | dustybin, even though I'm in canada |
| 14:52.21 | dustybin | its the GB mirror on that list |
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| 14:52.41 | elik | dustybin, if it is suggested on debian-multimedia you should be fine |
| 14:52.49 | dustybin | ok |
| 14:53.21 | elik | dustybin, well, look at that, gulus in Canada is a mirror, thx ;) |
| 14:53.22 | wysek | hi, I have a trouble dist-upgrade'ing (sid): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man5/limits.conf.5.gz', which is also in package passwd |
| 14:53.37 | wysek | (libpam-modules) |
| 14:53.42 | wysek | any ideas? |
| 14:53.43 | abrotman | wysek: /msg dpkg overwrite |
| 14:53.48 | jelly-home | !any idea |
| 14:53.48 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of ground beef, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 three-legged weasels. And keep the Cabal off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 14:54.04 | jelly-home | few minutes? :-( |
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| 14:54.26 | wysek | tx |
| 14:54.34 | jetscreamer | dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/insertsomedebnamehere.deb |
| 14:54.34 | dpkg | removes a lung from jetscreamer and replaces it with --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/insertsomedebnamehere.deb |
| 14:54.48 | jelly-home | screamer all right |
| 14:55.08 | jetscreamer | o i'm late |
| 14:55.13 | jetscreamer | tar-day |
| 14:55.28 | dustybin | how confusing, there used to be a apt-get one liner to get the multimedia key working, it doesnt seem to be there anymore |
| 14:55.36 | jetscreamer | yes there is |
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| 14:55.48 | jetscreamer | !debian-multimedia key |
| 14:55.49 | jetscreamer | or so |
| 14:56.01 | eth01 | fail |
| 14:56.02 | eth01 | lol |
| 14:56.08 | jetscreamer | buddy! |
| 14:56.13 | jetscreamer | how you been? |
| 14:56.17 | stew | !marillat key |
| 14:56.17 | dpkg | i heard marillat key is sudo aptitude install debian-keyring && gpg --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/debian-keyring.gpg --export marillat@debian.org | sudo apt-key add - ; or ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> or ask me about <apt secure> |
| 14:56.32 | eth01 | how i knew you'd say that was a case of pot-luck tbh |
| 14:56.44 | stew | there is a debian-multimedia-keyring or some such now, as well, iirc |
| 14:56.45 | jetscreamer | i was close |
| 14:56.49 | eth01 | very. |
| 14:56.58 | jetscreamer | i have a memory like a forgetful elephant |
| 14:56.59 | ewet | cahoot: nvidia-settings shows me the same modeline error with gtf - it's not my modeline anyways :/ |
| 14:57.08 | eth01 | but enough mem to remember i'm his buddy lmao |
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| 14:57.19 | eth01 | which, afaik, is just some form of standing joke |
| 14:57.32 | jetscreamer | used to be.. been a while |
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| 14:57.39 | eth01 | :( |
| 14:57.41 | dustybin | makes a nice change to use something solid on my sisters machine, rather than bug ridden ubuntu |
| 14:57.50 | eth01 | you couldn't make me feel any better :P |
| 14:58.12 | jetscreamer | well how about this: i have to go to work now :/ |
| 14:58.14 | jetscreamer | ciao |
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| 14:59.56 | ewet | cahoot: see yourself at http://sprunge.us/dVhc? |
| 15:00.21 | dustybin | i dont like the idea of mixing unstable + testing repos just to get flash, should i just compile from adobe website? |
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| 15:01.17 | jelly-home | dustybin: compile? |
| 15:01.30 | dustybin | jelly-home: download the .tar from adobe website |
| 15:01.33 | dustybin | and install it from that |
| 15:01.43 | jelly-home | dustybin: that's what the deb does anyway |
| 15:01.48 | dustybin | oh ok |
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| 15:01.51 | debCarlos | When will lenny become stable ? |
| 15:01.56 | jelly-home | !wwlr |
| 15:01.56 | dpkg | Lenny(5.0) will release WIR; SIYH, hopefully in the second half of 2008. Ask me about <lenny pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. also see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00005.html or lenny will not release until there are no more release critical bugs: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical and see "Number concerning the next release:", or <lenny status> |
| 15:01.59 | simonrvn | there's nothing to compile... |
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| 15:02.48 | jelly-home | dustybin: if you're uncomfortable with having sid in sources.list, you could just download the package from packages.debian.org |
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| 15:03.08 | Nigromante | hello |
| 15:03.14 | debCarlos | Guys, i'm seriously thinking about uninstalling ubuntu and installing debian... but i do have a prob there |
| 15:03.15 | jelly-home | dustybin: ... install with dpkg -i (and perhaps fix the dependencies with apt-get -f install) |
| 15:03.34 | debCarlos | Seems like it's something with kernel or a worse thing |
| 15:03.37 | dustybin | too late |
| 15:03.57 | abrotman | debCarlos: that's not very much information |
| 15:04.02 | debCarlos | But when i install it, and it's booting, i have to press the power button |
| 15:04.09 | tralala | stew, I followed the xinerama howto and tried several variations of the config, but I still get "(EE) Screen LG doesn't exist: deleting placement" |
| 15:04.13 | cahoot | ewet: looks like it's an nvidia bug: http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=50841 |
| 15:04.21 | debCarlos | dmesg | tail doesn't reveal anything |
| 15:04.37 | abrotman | you have to press the power button ? |
| 15:05.02 | elik | dustybin, did you find for the debian-multimedia keyring? |
| 15:05.03 | debCarlos | abrotman: yeah, if not, it stays on "loading kernel. blah blah blah" |
| 15:05.28 | debCarlos | !acpi |
| 15:05.28 | dpkg | from memory, acpi is Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/, or generally better than APM but see also <swsusp>, or for a list of supported systems/BIOSes, see http://acpi.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/InstallationReports |
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| 15:06.08 | debCarlos | But when i disable acpi sometimes i get a "kernel panic" :S |
| 15:06.26 | dustybin | elik: aye got that thanks |
| 15:06.26 | debCarlos | And if i put noacpi nolacpi it does nothing |
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| 15:06.38 | debCarlos | But with acpi=off .... kernel panic |
| 15:06.53 | dmoerner | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.27 | ewet | cahoot: :D thank you ... after all this I didn't think it's a bug ... |
| 15:07.34 | tralala | I'm trying to get xinerama to work with radeon 9250. So far all I get is two identical displays and this X log: http://rafb.net/p/1WBGqx95.html |
| 15:07.34 | dustybin | flash works on PIII 733 |
| 15:08.28 | debCarlos | So, anyone knows what i can do? |
| 15:08.34 | debCarlos | *can i do |
| 15:08.39 | ewet | cahoot: but still doublescan doesn't work :/ |
| 15:08.45 | dmoerner | tralala, at least in gnome if you go to the screen resolution gui you can uncheck "clone screens" |
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| 15:09.35 | tralala | dmoerner, it's not the desktop environment, it's X that's not initializing the second screen properly |
| 15:10.30 | ewet | hmm what's doublescan on TFTs anyway? |
| 15:11.17 | dmoerner | tralala, whenever i do a dualhead with my laptop I just use the stock xorg with a Virtual X Y line, but I don't know about what works for a radeon 9250 |
| 15:11.20 | elik | dustybin, was looking for that yesterday... then told myself I'd look at the fact and found it in first place :P |
| 15:11.46 | debCarlos | Can i update a myself-compiled kernel ? |
| 15:12.04 | tralala | dmoerner, can you paste this xorg.conf or the "Virtual" line? |
| 15:12.11 | ewet | cahoot: thank you so far with my brain blockade - I'll dig into doublescan resolutions and TFT monitors later - nice that nvidia-settings works at least |
| 15:12.18 | maligor | debCarlos, what do you mean by updating it? |
| 15:12.28 | cahoot | ewet: good luck |
| 15:12.28 | debCarlos | maligor: Upgrade ? |
| 15:12.39 | maligor | kernels don't really upgrade |
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| 15:12.55 | maligor | you can compile a new kernel yourself if you like |
| 15:13.08 | debCarlos | oh, ok... |
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| 15:13.30 | dmoerner | tralala, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Xorg_RandR_1.2 it's a bit different though because that's with a laptop screen and then an lcd set up next to it...i don't know how it works with 2 lcds |
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| 15:13.50 | tralala | dmoerner, I'll give it a try, thanks |
| 15:14.19 | debCarlos | netBSDs kernel is opensource too ? |
| 15:15.20 | dmoerner | !bsd license |
| 15:15.20 | dpkg | the BSD-style license has important problems, see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/bsd.html and http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#TOCNon-CopyleftedFreeSoftware for why. ask me about x windows trap |
| 15:15.39 | debCarlos | !x windows trap |
| 15:15.45 | dmoerner | the factoid doesn't exist |
| 15:15.51 | dmoerner | someone should remove it |
| 15:16.00 | debCarlos | yep |
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| 15:16.23 | debCarlos | !netbsd |
| 15:16.24 | dpkg | hmm... netbsd is a 4.4BSD variant and Of course it runs NetBSD and is at http://www.netbsd.org |
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| 15:16.30 | Nigromante | hi, question with nvidia and suspend to ram in Lenny: I use proprietary driver (packages from unstable). I can suspend to ram in console only if I'm running an X server. Otherwise, computer resumes but screen does not. Anyone has this problem? How to suspend from console when no X? I have tested most options/quirks with no success. |
| 15:16.46 | debCarlos | Is netbsd bad ? |
| 15:17.10 | dmoerner | Nigromante, what are you using to suspend to ram? uswsusp, software suspend 2, pm-utils, acpi-support, manual calls to /sys/power/state? |
| 15:17.23 | jester45 | could someone look at http://paste.lisp.org/display/65412 and tell me if thats a correct ntp.conf when i run ntpq -p local host times out |
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| 15:17.35 | Nigromante | I have tried suspend2, pmutils, and /sys/power/state |
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| 15:18.24 | dmoerner | Nigromante, did you do this: http://en.opensuse.org/NVidia_Suspend_HOWTO#Enable_NvAGP |
| 15:18.26 | smhar | greetings |
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| 15:19.08 | Nigromante | dmoerner, suspend works while using X :-) The thing is i would like it when no X server running at all. |
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| 15:19.28 | dmoerner | Nigromante, whoops you're right...i remember there was an nvidia quirk but not that it was X-only. sorry |
| 15:19.43 | Nigromante | thanks anyway |
| 15:19.55 | dmoerner | so both vbetool post and saving the pci state failed? |
| 15:20.11 | dmoerner | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Problem_with_display_remaining_black_after_resume |
| 15:20.21 | Nigromante | yep, they seem to dont know the particulars of this nvidia card |
| 15:20.32 | smhar | I have just setup my small network in office, and connected it to the adsl line. my desktop pc running debian is connected to the router and can access the internet without any problem. but my notebook which also runs debain can only access the router (ping) but can not access the internet. what could be wrong? |
| 15:20.57 | dmoerner | smhar, sounds like something is wrong with the NAT setup |
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| 15:21.04 | anddam | hello |
| 15:21.11 | jester45 | hi anddam |
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| 15:22.07 | jester45 | smhar, do you have a gateway? |
| 15:22.17 | anddam | I'm on lenny 2.6.25-2 and m-a has problems building nvidia legacy kernel driver |
| 15:22.36 | Nigromante | anddam, install packages from unstable |
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| 15:22.37 | ma3x | sorry not a debian question but thought some of you know can i put a comment and a formula in one field in openoffice calc? |
| 15:22.38 | dmoerner | anddam, which problems? |
| 15:22.39 | ma3x | and how? |
| 15:22.40 | smhar | jester45: yes. it is the same as the router |
| 15:22.47 | Nigromante | im running them with succes |
| 15:22.48 | Nigromante | s |
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| 15:23.11 | anddam | dmoerner: I'm trying to get an output |
| 15:23.13 | smhar | dmoerner: of the router? |
| 15:23.17 | anddam | just a minute |
| 15:24.04 | dmoerner | smhar, yes. if it can only ping the router then it sounds like the router is not performing nat correctly so it only gives one comp at a time an ip address. you could test this by trying the laptop with the desktop not connected |
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| 15:24.56 | anddam | I'm trying to get the infamous installer from nvidia.com but the site crashes iceweasel, how can I disable flash plugin for iceweasel? |
| 15:24.58 | smhar | dmoerner: ohh.. this is something I didnot test.. hold on |
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| 15:25.59 | Nigromante | anddam, I have installed in lenny the nvidia packages from unstable (downloaded and installed with dpkg -i ) and they work ok. Just if it helps |
| 15:26.18 | anddam | Nigromante: not legacy, right? |
| 15:26.28 | Nigromante | yep, last version drivers |
| 15:26.30 | anddam | Nigromante: on what kernel btw ? |
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| 15:26.38 | Nigromante | lenny's kernel |
| 15:26.40 | anddam | this is a MX200 so I should use legacy |
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| 15:26.50 | Nigromante | ah |
| 15:26.52 | anddam | lenny's kernel is variable I think |
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| 15:27.08 | Nigromante | im using 2.6.25 right know |
| 15:27.15 | Nigromante | now |
| 15:27.36 | smhar | dmoerner: you were right. and immediately after reconnecting the desktop, the notebook lost the connection |
| 15:27.44 | anddam | Nigromante: me too |
| 15:28.27 | Nigromante | i had to install nvidia-kernel-source, i think. It compiles module for your kernel |
| 15:29.09 | Nigromante | cannot use driver from nvidia site, cause it complaint about xen option in Lennys kernel |
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| 15:30.55 | dustybin | sensors-detect doesnt seem to detect much on this system, do i need to manually activate something? |
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| 15:31.34 | quitte | !nvidia lenny |
| 15:31.34 | dpkg | 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers 5) follow <nvidia_post_etch>, using "dpkg -i debfile.deb" instead of "apt-get install package" for nvidia-kernel-source and nvidia-glx |
| 15:31.39 | cahoot | dustybin: laptop? |
| 15:31.47 | dustybin | cahoot: PIII 733 desktop |
| 15:31.58 | dustybin | IBM |
| 15:32.44 | cahoot | 20:th century |
| 15:33.18 | anddam | http://rafb.net/p/OUE6Fa88.html |
| 15:33.21 | anddam | here it is |
| 15:33.24 | dustybin | i had the same problem on my P4 server upstairs, i had to manually depmod something before it would recognize some hardware but i forgot what i did |
| 15:33.28 | Nigromante | that sounded like science fiction film cahoot |
| 15:33.32 | anddam | dmoerner: that's the output |
| 15:33.38 | anddam | seems linux/config.h can't be found |
| 15:33.57 | abrotman | !find linux/config.h etch |
| 15:34.34 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'linux/config.h' (5 of 18): (/usr/include/linux/config.h) in devel/linux-kernel-headers ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.9/i486-linux/config.h) in devel/ruby1.9-dev ;; (/usr/lib/ruby/1.8/i486-linux/config.h) in devel/ruby1.8-dev ;; (/usr/lib/klibc/include/linux/config.h) in libdevel/libklibc-dev ;; (/usr/src/ecos/packages/compat/linux/v2_0/include/linux/config.h) in devel/ecos. |
| 15:35.06 | quitte | m-a prepare should have taken care of that |
| 15:35.42 | anddam | quitte: it didn't |
| 15:36.16 | Nigromante | anddam may use the plain debian/rules method |
| 15:36.49 | anddam | http://rafb.net/p/W5s1zK54.html |
| 15:36.55 | anddam | Nigromante: i.e.? |
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| 15:37.24 | Nigromante | i guess theres a page in debian wiki |
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| 15:38.41 | Nigromante | anddam: http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-72a0c3dfd12d6edc31cc02758d6c8e3fdd10ab8e |
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| 15:39.51 | jarodlau | hello |
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| 15:40.52 | anddam | oh my I can't understand how to manage iceweasel's plugins... |
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| 15:42.46 | anddam | I didn't have nvidia-kernel-common |
| 15:42.51 | quitte | anddam: according to randall donalds blog the nvidia legacy drivers are patched to build with 2.6.26 |
| 15:42.53 | anddam | I don't know why |
| 15:43.17 | anddam | and is 2.6.26 in lenny already? |
| 15:43.22 | anddam | (man this computer is slow) |
| 15:43.23 | Nigromante | nop |
| 15:43.32 | jarodlau | anyone install ati driver 8.7 on 2.6.26 ? |
| 15:43.39 | Nigromante | i think not yet |
| 15:43.40 | dmoerner | jarodlau, yes |
| 15:43.47 | quitte | anddam: no. but it is likely the kernel that lenny will release with |
| 15:43.57 | jarodlau | dmoerner, work all right? |
| 15:44.06 | dmoerner | well i had to use kano's hacks |
| 15:44.07 | dmoerner | haha |
| 15:44.20 | jarodlau | ...chinese? |
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| 15:44.26 | dmoerner | !kanotix |
| 15:44.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix @ irc.freenode.net, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian> |
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| 15:45.09 | Nigromante | !slackware |
| 15:45.09 | dpkg | slackware is, like, a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg |
| 15:46.04 | jarodlau | i use sid and kernel 2.6.25 , want to use 2.6.26 ,but my ati card is Xpress 200M, i don't konw the kernel 2.6.26 support this driver~~ |
| 15:46.13 | Error4o4 | hi, i already asked for help on other # but nothing, maybe you know |
| 15:46.17 | smhar | dmoerner: so how to correct this NAT thing? |
| 15:46.21 | Error4o4 | any idea how to get Ubuntu to recognize RAID hds as one hard drive, Gigabyte P35 DS5 mohterboard, using the gigabyte onboard raid controller, not the one in the south bridge.. my current setup, HD1 > windows, HD2 > Ubuntu, HD3/4 > RAID Mirroring |
| 15:46.48 | Error4o4 | *P35 DS4 mobo |
| 15:47.09 | dmoerner | smhar, no, i just guessed that was the problem |
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| 15:48.28 | wols | Error4o4: we don't support ubuntu. /msg dpkg #ubuntu |
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| 15:49.01 | anddam | btw I'm using gcc 4.3.1 while kernel has been built with 4.1.2 |
| 15:49.10 | anddam | can this be an issue? |
| 15:49.16 | smhar | dmoerner: when both pc and notebook are connected, they can ping each other, but only the pc can access the net. if the pc is disconnected from LAN the notebook can access the net. |
| 15:49.24 | wols | anddam: are you compiling nvidia.com drivers? |
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| 15:49.50 | wols | smhar: do you have a router anywhere? |
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| 15:49.57 | anddam | wols: nope, I'm using nvidia-kernel-legacy.sourc from debian repo |
| 15:49.58 | Error4o4 | i must say #ubuntu is a mess... |
| 15:50.03 | Error4o4 | :) |
| 15:50.03 | anddam | wols: -source |
| 15:50.08 | ma3x | why when i burn dvdrw disc, it finishes and then spins up forever and causes cpu lockups? |
| 15:50.21 | wols | anddam: yes it can be an issue to have a different gcc version. usually is even. install the gcc he kernel was compiled with |
| 15:50.32 | smhar | wols: the gateway is the router/modem. it is a speedtouch 510 |
| 15:50.36 | wols | Error4o4: we don't care. either you run real debian or no help here |
| 15:50.53 | anddam | wols: that's what I'm trying to do just now |
| 15:51.03 | quitte | ma3x: because pata sucks! |
| 15:51.04 | wols | smhar: on both PCs: /sbin/ifconfig, route -n and cat /etc/resolv.conf output |
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| 15:51.18 | wols | anddam: what what is the problem? |
| 15:51.22 | subsume | hello there. is it possible to have a symlink that's not a symlink? |
| 15:51.27 | subsume | to have a directory literally in two places? |
| 15:51.34 | wols | subsume: huh? |
| 15:51.36 | abrotman | bind mount |
| 15:51.38 | ma3x | quitte: what's pata? i think its sata |
| 15:51.40 | subsume | ooooh |
| 15:51.41 | subsume | bind mount |
| 15:51.45 | subsume | thanks abrotman |
| 15:51.59 | anddam | wols: I'm not deep into the debian thing so I don't know packages name, I think it's "gcc-4.1" |
| 15:52.09 | abrotman | ma3x: pata are old style IDE drives |
| 15:52.16 | wols | anddam: apt-cache search gcc |grep gcc |
| 15:52.36 | anddam | wols: and it's already installed, so I have to tell the system to use a different version of gcc, I can use a temporary variable or do change system default, right? |
| 15:52.51 | wols | anddam: yes. export CC=/path/to/gcc |
| 15:52.57 | dmoerner | or apt-cache search ^gcc |
| 15:53.11 | abrotman | --names-only ? |
| 15:53.17 | anddam | wols: but I'm using sudo to run debian/rules or m-a |
| 15:53.25 | wols | anddam: and? |
| 15:53.27 | quitte | ma3x: parallel ata. |
| 15:53.32 | anddam | wols: isn't that a problem with the export? |
| 15:53.35 | wols | anddam: btw, you could also use fakeroot |
| 15:53.39 | ma3x | abrotman: i think its sata |
| 15:53.41 | wols | why would it? |
| 15:53.48 | wols | ma3x: what controller? |
| 15:53.51 | yziquel | Hello, |
| 15:54.12 | anddam | wols: because I think that if I export as user sudo won't get exported variables as it's running as another user |
| 15:54.12 | yziquel | I've been apt-get updating my box from etch to lenny. |
| 15:54.31 | quitte | ma3x: sata optical drives are rather rare |
| 15:54.34 | wols | anddam: rethink |
| 15:54.38 | abrotman | quitte: not really |
| 15:54.42 | anddam | wols: done |
| 15:54.58 | ma3x | wols and quitte http://paste.debian.net/14923/ |
| 15:55.18 | yziquel | now, it's missing udevtrigger and I cannot populate /dev/ at startup anymore... |
| 15:55.31 | smhar | wols, the pc is 10.0.0.1 and the pc is 10.0.0.2, the gateway is 10.0.0.138 . route -e is identical on both other than the .1 and .2 in the IP and the fact that the pc is using eth0 while the notebook eth1. resolv.conf is very basic in both. just a domain lan search lan and nameserver 10.0.0.138 in both |
| 15:55.42 | quitte | abrotman: the shops i checked have a lot of pata drives but only about 2 sata, each |
| 15:55.47 | wols | ma3x: unlikely your dvd burner uses sata. not impossible but unlikely |
| 15:55.54 | anddam | Detected compiler version : 4.3.1 |
| 15:55.57 | dmoerner | yziquel, udevtrigger is now /sbin/udevadm trigger |
| 15:56.03 | abrotman | quitte: newegg has quite a few |
| 15:56.13 | wols | smhar: either do what I asked you (pastebin) or stop talking to me |
| 15:56.33 | ma3x | so why the heck does it spin at the end of the write and locks up my system? |
| 15:56.35 | wols | anddam: mea culpa. sudo _E |
| 15:56.38 | wols | anddam: mea culpa. sudo -E |
| 15:56.46 | anddam | wols: ah here we are |
| 15:56.55 | quitte | abrotman: i prefer buying from shops on the same continent i am ;) |
| 15:57.01 | anddam | detected 4.1.2 |
| 15:57.09 | smhar | wols, I summarized the output to you. but wait and I will paste the output |
| 15:57.15 | abrotman | quitte: guess you need better shops |
| 15:57.22 | anddam | seems it's building |
| 15:57.27 | simonrvn | dmoerner: aah, thanks for the pointer |
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| 15:57.35 | anddam | so I could have just set CC and used m-a? |
| 15:57.38 | yziquel | moerner: ok, but how can I get the correct /etc/rcS.d/S03udev script... I mean the update crashed (the kernel crashed) while installing HAL configuration files... |
| 15:57.40 | wols | abrotman: we have them. |
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| 15:57.48 | dbmoodb | happy birthday debian |
| 15:57.55 | abrotman | wols: apprently not in quitte's part of germany |
| 15:58.04 | wols | anddam: m-a wants to run under root |
| 15:58.05 | aleksanteri | debian's having a birthday? |
| 15:58.07 | anddam | /usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-legacy/nv/nv-linux.h:17:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 15:58.11 | wols | abrotman: he has no clue :P |
| 15:58.15 | simonrvn | 15 y |
| 15:58.17 | wols | anddam: use m-a |
| 15:58.20 | aleksanteri | awesome |
| 15:58.27 | anddam | wols: and isn't sudo good for m-a? |
| 15:58.28 | dbmoodb | looks at phone running debian :) happy birth day :) ! |
| 15:58.36 | dmoerner | !tell yziquel -about confmiss |
| 15:58.39 | wols | eek, it's a teenager? no wonder it's so... termperamental |
| 15:58.39 | anddam | dbmoodb: what phone is it? |
| 15:58.46 | dmoerner | yziquel, run it with --force-confnew as well |
| 15:58.47 | aleksanteri | looks at his pc running debian, heh. |
| 15:58.49 | dmoerner | to reinstall udev |
| 15:58.54 | wols | anddam: as I said: runs with root priviledges |
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| 15:59.00 | simonrvn | wols: hehe |
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| 15:59.32 | anddam | wols: I always ran it with sudo, I wasn't sure why you told me about the privileges thing |
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| 16:00.37 | anddam | anyway seems that linux/config.h headers isn't anymore in kernel tree |
| 16:00.44 | anddam | maybe it has been renamed |
| 16:02.19 | wols | anddam: you need kernel headers for your running kernels |
| 16:02.19 | wols | then it will work |
| 16:02.19 | wols | !tell anddam about nvidia_post_etch |
| 16:02.36 | wols | anddam: just that you need to use nvidia-legacy instead of nvidia of course |
| 16:02.42 | anddam | wols: no, I already have them |
| 16:03.00 | anddam | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-kernel-70/removal-of-includelinuxconfig.h-file-in-2.6.19-kernel-506363/ |
| 16:03.03 | anddam | this is it |
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| 16:03.44 | anddam | linux/config.h has been killed |
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| 16:04.37 | quitte | anddam: where did you get the nvidia legacy source package from? |
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| 16:05.08 | anddam | quitte: debian repo, I have to check policy |
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| 16:05.40 | quitte | anddam: so it might be from etch? |
| 16:05.52 | quitte | anddam: use the nvidia stuff from sid |
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| 16:06.09 | anddam | I don't think so, I just get the package |
| 16:06.18 | yziquel | dmoerner: in fact, I just ran dpkg --configure -a to resume the dpkg process since it crashed. Crossing fingers. Thanks a lot. |
| 16:06.21 | anddam | but let me check |
| 16:06.22 | quitte | anddam: packages.debian.org |
| 16:06.35 | dmoerner | yziquel, hopefully it will work |
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| 16:06.54 | anddam | quitte: does pdo know what package I have installed? |
| 16:07.15 | quitte | anddam: no |
| 16:07.29 | anddam | quitte: you were right, seems it's from etch |
| 16:07.43 | quitte | anddam: fortunately debian still doesnt have activex ;) |
| 16:07.59 | quitte | anddam: sorry i didnt think of that earlier |
| 16:08.06 | anddam | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:08.54 | quitte | added contrib and non-free from sid |
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| 16:11.58 | anddam | quitte: this is my sources.list |
| 16:12.01 | anddam | http://rafb.net/p/A5PMNT32.html |
| 16:12.24 | smhar | wols: sorry for the delay.. this is the output for the pc: http://paste.debian.net/14925/ and this is for the notebook: http://paste.debian.net/14924/ |
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| 16:15.12 | quitte | anddam: take etch out. it cant be properly mixed with lenny |
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| 16:16.04 | anddam | wols: on that post_etch I'm not sure about "m-a a-i nvidia" should that be "nvidia-legacy" or remain "nvidia"? |
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| 16:17.14 | quitte | anddam: nvidia-legacy |
| 16:17.47 | anddam | quitte: but m-a doesn't know about nvidia-legacy |
| 16:18.15 | quitte | anddam: thats because its not in lennny |
| 16:18.32 | quitte | _temporarily_ add contrib and non-free from sid |
| 16:19.08 | anddam | quitte: does oder matter in sources.list? |
| 16:19.13 | anddam | _order_ |
| 16:19.15 | quitte | no |
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| 16:19.36 | anddam | ok commented out etch and uncommented sid |
| 16:19.45 | anddam | now aptitude update I think |
| 16:20.00 | quitte | well somewhat. it picks the first server containing the package, i think |
| 16:20.17 | quitte | so put local mirrors first |
| 16:20.24 | anddam | but as lenny doesn't have nvidia-legacy it should be fine |
| 16:20.33 | quitte | yes |
| 16:20.48 | anddam | should I run that post_etch then? |
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| 16:20.56 | anddam | using nvidia-legacy this time |
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| 16:21.32 | anddam | updated |
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| 16:21.58 | quitte | where did i put the pepper? |
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| 16:22.30 | anddam | quitte: in kitchen, hopefully |
| 16:22.44 | quitte | hahahaha. no. |
| 16:22.46 | dmoerner | !dpkg -l pepper |
| 16:22.47 | dpkg | No packages found matching pepper |
| 16:22.59 | quitte | is a bachelor |
| 16:23.37 | anddam | quitte: # sudo m-a la nvidia-legacy |
| 16:23.37 | anddam | nvidia-legacy, what is nvidia-legacy? |
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| 16:23.57 | dmoerner | nvidia-legacy-kernel-source probably |
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| 16:24.35 | anddam | but that post_etch hint uses just "m-a a-i nvidia" |
| 16:24.40 | wols | anddam: I just told you what it needs to be |
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| 16:25.29 | anddam | wols: then I missed it, could you repeat it? |
| 16:25.57 | anddam | unless you mean using "nvidia-legacy" in place of "nvidia" because that won't work |
| 16:26.04 | anddam | m-a doesn't know about "nvidia-legacy" |
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| 16:26.08 | wols | anddam: /lastlog wols |
| 16:26.21 | bahram | hi, im use of ifrp for recovery root password, but in grub load, get error 27: Unrecongnized command |
| 16:27.05 | wols | anddam: nvidia-kernel-legacy perhaps. see the "select" option when your run simply m-a |
| 16:27.20 | wols | bahram: and which command did you enter? |
| 16:27.23 | bahram | add line, init=/bin/sh in grun |
| 16:27.28 | bahram | wols, ^ |
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| 16:28.03 | wols | bahram: that is not a line but an addition to your kernel= line |
| 16:28.08 | wols | bahram: it's a kernel option |
| 16:28.08 | anddam | wols: that's what confuses me, in select I see nvidia-kernel and nvidia-kernel-legacy but m-a accepts "nvidia" too |
| 16:29.04 | wols | bahram: the factoid says "add 'init=/bin/sh' to the end of it" see the little word "add"? |
| 16:29.13 | wols | anddam: dunno why, sorry |
| 16:29.22 | anddam | wols: so it should be update-pciids && apt-get install module-assistant nvidia-kernel-legacy-source && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy && apt-get install nvidia-glx-legacy && depmod -a && modprobe nvidia && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 16:29.34 | wols | anddam: no it should NOT |
| 16:29.35 | bahram | wols, tnx, |
| 16:29.41 | wols | anddam: read more carefully |
| 16:29.57 | wols | oops. I should too. misread it. sorry |
| 16:30.03 | anddam | ah ok |
| 16:30.05 | wols | looks pretty much like it should |
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| 16:30.51 | anddam | will a single "sudo" before all that line work for every command? I ask as they are && separated |
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| 16:31.53 | quitte | anddam: no. wont work |
| 16:31.54 | wols | anddam: afaik no. but why not use sudo -c ? |
| 16:32.07 | abrotman | or not use sudo |
| 16:32.07 | anddam | wols: because I didn't knew about it |
| 16:32.36 | wols | abrotman: well using sudo is a good thing(tm). jusr cause us old farts don't like it so much doesn't make it bad |
| 16:32.39 | quitte | heh. for some reason i always use sudo su |
| 16:32.54 | abrotman | wols: and the fact that debian installs dont' have it by default ? |
| 16:32.57 | anddam | wols: -c isn't a sudo option... |
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| 16:33.16 | wols | anddam: sudo -i I guess |
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| 16:33.46 | anddam | I can run sudo su and then just use the actual line |
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| 16:34.00 | abrotman | besides the fact that the way most people have it configured doesn't make it any better at all |
| 16:34.01 | zinx | anddam: you can do that with sudo $SHELL too |
| 16:34.49 | zorrolero | anddam: man sudo, -c is an option, the class-option, btw.) |
| 16:35.28 | anddam | zorrolero: here the only -c occurrence is in EXAMPLES |
| 16:36.36 | zorrolero | anddam: strange, http://www.sudo.ws/sudo/man/sudo.html |
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| 16:37.17 | anddam | zorrolero: I'm talking about the sudo version on my system |
| 16:37.39 | zinx | that -c does the wrong thing :P |
| 16:37.46 | anddam | 1.6.9p17 Jun 21, 2008 SUDO(8) |
| 16:37.54 | smhar | wols: sorry for the delay.. this is the output for the pc: http://paste.debian.net/14925/ and this is for the notebook: http://paste.debian.net/14924/ |
| 16:38.01 | yziquel | dmoerner: thanks. this helped me out. |
| 16:38.03 | quitte | anddam: just add a lot of sudos to the command or do it as root already |
| 16:38.10 | wols | zinx: shows how much I know of sudo and how often I use it (not often...) |
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| 16:38.47 | anddam | quitte: the point is something is broken still |
| 16:39.05 | wols | smhar: and what happens if you "ping google.com" on the one that doesn't work? |
| 16:39.20 | quitte | anddam: sudo m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy says what? |
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| 16:39.43 | anddam | quitte: no candidate package |
| 16:40.02 | anddam | I've installed nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx-source but I'm not sure what should I say to m-a |
| 16:40.20 | anddam | m-a select still shows "nvidia-kernel-legacy" |
| 16:40.21 | quitte | anddam: sudo m-a a-i nvidia-kernel-legacy-71xx says what? |
| 16:40.29 | smhar | wols: it takes longer time than usual and then gives an: unknown host google.com |
| 16:40.46 | jelly-home | re-sol-ver is-sues |
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| 16:42.07 | anddam | *** Failed Xen sanity check. Bailing out! *** |
| 16:42.19 | anddam | seems I have a Xen kernel |
| 16:42.28 | anddam | and I just have a vague idea of what Xen is |
| 16:43.05 | anddam | btw I didn't get the xen driver when I installed 2.6.25 |
| 16:43.13 | quitte | anddam: ah well get rid of the xen kernel |
| 16:43.29 | anddam | quitte: the point is I don't think I have one |
| 16:43.44 | anddam | # uname -rms |
| 16:43.44 | anddam | Linux 2.6.25-2-686 i686 |
| 16:43.47 | dmoerner | anddam, this is on the bts |
| 16:43.54 | anddam | bts? |
| 16:43.55 | quitte | ah |
| 16:44.05 | quitte | bugs.debian.org |
| 16:44.08 | anddam | bug tracking system? |
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| 16:44.20 | anddam | lucky me |
| 16:44.32 | dmoerner | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.debian.kernel/browse_thread/thread/377e94d6b2f6845a/1c300c223af02828?lnk=raot |
| 16:44.48 | dmoerner | actually that's sort of a bad link |
| 16:44.54 | dmoerner | but that's the # of one of the bugs |
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| 16:46.26 | ice63 | is there a bug lenny to set the resolution in x ? |
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| 16:47.46 | hedgehoginfog | as a non-root user i can mount my external hdd, but after that i can't cd into the mount point directory. What's a problem? |
| 16:49.25 | anddam | the XEN part was easy |
| 16:49.40 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: ls -ld /mount/point/ |
| 16:49.45 | anddam | there's a IGNORE_XEN_PRESENCE test a few rows upper |
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| 16:50.37 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, dr-x------ 1 root root 4096 Aug 13 10:37 /media/exthdd/ |
| 16:50.46 | hedgehoginfog | lol |
| 16:50.48 | phlux | do I need all of the CDs to install a minimum installation? |
| 16:50.52 | hedgehoginfog | got it |
| 16:51.04 | abrotman | !d-i phlux |
| 16:51.04 | dpkg | phlux, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ Or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ (if you've got hardware that the etch installer doesn't support) for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 16:51.59 | phlux | I don't want to do a netinstall |
| 16:52.28 | phlux | ah I see |
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| 16:54.04 | anddam | ok I'm dropping it |
| 16:54.10 | anddam | thanks for helping |
| 16:54.36 | abrotman | phlux: it doesn't require the internet to get you a base system |
| 16:55.00 | anddam | should I buy new hardware is there a list of etch or lenny supported devices? |
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| 16:55.21 | phlux | thanks, abrotman |
| 16:55.33 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, I just need to use chown, right? |
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| 16:55.35 | smhar | wols: it takes longer time than usual and then gives an: unknown host google.com |
| 16:55.46 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: probably better to change the perms instead of the ownership |
| 16:56.06 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, what comman do you suggest then? |
| 16:56.11 | abrotman | chmod ? |
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| 16:57.44 | juc0 | Debian seems to only have 0.95 of aMSN. How can I go about installing the latest version, 0.97.2? |
| 16:58.14 | abrotman | !tell juc0 about ssb |
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| 16:59.07 | dmoerner | juc0, amsn | 0.97.1~debian-1 | testing | source, alpha, amd64, arm, armel, hppa, i386, ia64, mips, mipsel, powerpc, s390, sparc in sid |
| 16:59.12 | dmoerner | and testing |
| 16:59.33 | zorrolero | smhar: try to change the nameserver in your "/etc/resolv.conf" to this ip: 208.67.222.222 |
| 16:59.57 | juc0 | I'm completely new to debian, only really used gentoo. How would I go about installing the testing version? and what's sid? |
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| 17:00.06 | abrotman | !tell juc0 about etch->lenny |
| 17:00.09 | phlux | I'm usually a FreeBSD guy, but thanks to some hardware issues on my laptop, I'm swapping to Linux. Think Debian will be a good choice? |
| 17:00.22 | abrotman | phlux: depends on the laptop .. all you can do is try :) |
| 17:00.24 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, the perms are changed any time it gets mounted! |
| 17:00.44 | phlux | abrotman, well I mean the whole "coming from a FreeBSD" background part. |
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| 17:01.03 | phlux | My hardware is too new for BSD... I've seen Linux work on the same laptop |
| 17:01.13 | abrotman | phlux: oh .. that depends on you .. we have "Debian ways" to do stuff .. which may confuse you at first |
| 17:01.15 | juc0 | abrotman, Surely that will upgrade all packages to testing? I just want the testing version of aMSN |
| 17:01.18 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 17:01.18 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ Also ask me about <acpi> and <suspend>, or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, ask me about <thinkpad>. See also <laptop mode>. |
| 17:01.23 | abrotman | juc0: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 17:01.25 | smhar | zorrolero: in the notebook that can not see the internet? but how will it see this IP if it can not see the internet? |
| 17:01.38 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: that's a bit odd .. udev rule perhaps ? |
| 17:01.44 | maligor | tuxmobil... is that a oil brand? |
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| 17:02.08 | anddam | how is it called the flash plugin package for iceweasel/mozilla? |
| 17:02.19 | zorrolero | smhar: uh, sorry. missed something, obviously. |
| 17:02.29 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, how do i change that rule? |
| 17:02.36 | abrotman | !udev rules |
| 17:02.36 | dpkg | file:///usr/share/doc/udev/writing_udev_rules/index.html, or or read it online at http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html |
| 17:02.56 | abrotman | hedgehoginfog: it's just a guess .. i've never had my mount point perms get changed when it mounts my external HDD |
| 17:03.19 | anddam | I installed it from the browser but now can't find how to disable it... |
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| 17:03.42 | anddam | I didn't enter any password so I think it's installed in home |
| 17:03.48 | smhar | zorrolero: hhmm... but it workes!!! how??? |
| 17:04.22 | smhar | s/workes/works |
| 17:04.25 | pipeline | juc0: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html |
| 17:04.39 | pipeline | anddam: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 17:04.47 | jelly-home | !pinning |
| 17:04.47 | dpkg | Pinning is a method to choose packages when multiple repositories are enabled in sources.list. man apt_preferences, http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning, http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian. Bugs are explained at http://www.xs4all.nl/~carlo17/howto/debian.html. If you use stable, pinning won't help you from messing up the system... use <backports> instead. |
| 17:04.58 | zorrolero | smhar: don't know. |
| 17:05.21 | anddam | pipeline: but I hadn't to enter any password, I just clicked on "install missing plugins" in browser and I was a regular user |
| 17:05.32 | abrotman | pipeline: he really shouldn't be pinning with etch and unstable |
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| 17:06.31 | juc0 | That's exactly what I was after, thanks pipeline |
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| 17:07.13 | jelly-home | juc0: pinning + stable usually results in one not running stable any more |
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| 17:07.38 | jelly-home | juc0: use backports instead |
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| 17:08.08 | hedgehoginfog | abrotman, people say i have to change perms of what is on the hdd not the perms of the mount point :) |
| 17:08.43 | abrotman | uhm .. okay |
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| 17:09.32 | juc0 | ok, cheers jelly-home |
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| 17:11.15 | pipeline | abrotman: eh, there's a fair chance that amsn will work without breaking too many things, assuming he attempts to fill dependencies from stable. |
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| 17:11.32 | abrotman | pipeline: or he could backport it |
| 17:12.07 | juc0 | well, using the backports instructions given on backports.org it says aMSN 0.95 is the latest version, when it really isn't. Any suggestions? |
| 17:12.49 | jelly-home | juc0: /msg dpkg ssb |
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| 17:15.41 | [gloom] | hi there |
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| 17:16.49 | [gloom] | When I write in my windows partition throgh ntfs-3g driver, files/folders written appear as "shared" when I boot the Windows SO. Is there a way to fix this?' |
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| 17:17.34 | phlux | Debian mirrors are slow today :\ |
| 17:17.36 | juc0 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:18.02 | dmoerner | deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sid main contrib non-free |
| 17:18.10 | juc0 | thanks |
| 17:18.13 | dmoerner | or whatever your local mirror is |
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| 17:19.39 | juc0 | but then would an apt-get upgrade upgrade all packages to testing/unstable? |
| 17:20.21 | phlux | what's the "big advantage" that Ubuntu has over Debian? |
| 17:20.32 | devhell | not if you have a 90defaultrelease in your apt.conf.. |
| 17:20.35 | JPT | there's an advantage ? |
| 17:20.41 | devhell | an advantage? |
| 17:20.46 | abrotman | phlux: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:20.47 | zinx | phlux: wrong channel to ask that |
| 17:20.55 | phlux | They say there is. |
| 17:20.58 | [gloom] | juc0: apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 17:21.01 | phlux | Just wondering what your opinions are on it. |
| 17:21.10 | abrotman | phlux: we disagree .. we're in #debian |
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| 17:21.16 | bugaa | phlux: it's popularity |
| 17:21.17 | abrotman | [gloom]: why? what good will that do? |
| 17:21.33 | phlux | well, in that case, why Debian over Ubuntu? |
| 17:21.50 | [gloom] | abrotman: he wants to upgrade from stable to testing/unstable, wasn't it? |
| 17:22.00 | abrotman | [gloom]: no .. read what he's actually trying to do |
| 17:22.10 | zinx | phlux: more/better packages, sane packages (i.e., no crap like linux-restricted-modules), don't release unless it's really ready, etc etc |
| 17:22.12 | phlux | I'm a FreeBSD guy.. I hate all Linuxes equally. :P (I'm putting Linux on my laptop, though.. hence the strange questions.) |
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| 17:22.22 | [gloom] | abrotman: maybe I misunderstood his intentions...OK sorry for that, changing eyes... reading again.. |
| 17:22.50 | juc0 | Having adding the sid line i'm getting: E: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 17:22.58 | maligor | phlux, ubuntu is a buggier version of debian |
| 17:23.04 | phlux | lol |
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| 17:24.19 | simonrvn | juc0: /msg dpkg dynamic mmap |
| 17:24.24 | [gloom] | abrotman: "<juc0> but then would an apt-get upgrade upgrade all packages to testing/unstable?" mmm What is he trying to do? |
| 17:24.39 | abrotman | [gloom]: he's currently trying to backport the package |
| 17:24.41 | simonrvn | shoot his system in the foot |
| 17:24.45 | juc0 | I just want to install the latest version of aMSN.. |
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| 17:24.58 | [gloom] | abrotman: ahhh, ok, my fault. sorry |
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| 17:27.45 | simonrvn | (i was kidding, btw) |
| 17:27.59 | devhell | juc0: query me.. |
| 17:28.28 | abrotman | juc0: keep it in the channel |
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| 17:28.34 | abrotman | devhell: don't tell people to do that |
| 17:28.42 | lynucs | i am experincing problems with switching xkblayouts under debian lenny.. it doesn't switch atm.. worked fine before etch->lenny upgrade.. here is the relevant corg.conf-snippet: http://phpfi.com/344208 anyone idea? |
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| 17:30.14 | devhell | ah ok.. sorry.. thought it would help.. |
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| 17:30.37 | abrotman | he already has the steps he needs |
| 17:30.43 | devhell | ok then.. |
| 17:30.52 | devhell | sorry, just wanted to help.. |
| 17:31.00 | abrotman | right .. so help him in the channel |
| 17:31.10 | devhell | ok.. understood.. |
| 17:31.20 | lynucs | btw, where are the docs for xorg-"xkboption"-option values? |
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| 17:32.13 | juc0 | Well, it detected the new version, but now errors with: Errors were encountered while processing: /var/cache/apt/archives/amsn-data_0.97~1debian-1_all.deb |
| 17:32.31 | abrotman | juc0: can you paste the errors in a pastebin ? |
| 17:32.52 | [gloom] | brb |
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| 17:33.50 | juc0 | abrotman, http://rafb.net/p/iZiW2064.html |
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| 17:34.38 | abrotman | juc0: you can't just install packages from sid |
| 17:34.58 | juc0 | I need to upgrade? |
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| 17:35.18 | abrotman | well .. now you do .. you've mutated your system into something that will likely die |
| 17:35.23 | abrotman | !tell juc0 about etch->lenny |
| 17:35.25 | wd | something strange is happening on 2.4 kernel my webcam server (apache and app called webcam) can be seen from local and remote computers but not 2.6 kernel. what gives? |
| 17:35.30 | juc0 | oh dear. |
| 17:35.31 | jelly-home | juc0: you've effectively upgraded some important parts of the system to sid now |
| 17:35.43 | jelly-home | like, "libc6" |
| 17:35.51 | juc0 | I need the latest stable versions of certain packages though for work. Is there really no way to upgrade specific packages? |
| 17:35.55 | wd | if i reboot into 2.4.. it all works. |
| 17:36.05 | juc0 | can I not downgrade everything back to stable? |
| 17:36.14 | abrotman | juc0: you were told multiple times to backport it |
| 17:36.16 | simonrvn | no |
| 17:36.20 | jelly-home | juc0: not really, it's easier to reinstall |
| 17:36.25 | juc0 | I thought that is what I was doing.. |
| 17:37.15 | wd | nvm |
| 17:37.50 | abrotman | juc0: someone even gave you the deb-src line |
| 17:37.54 | simonrvn | juc0: backport != upgrade |
| 17:38.08 | simonrvn | er, make that dist-upgrade |
| 17:38.13 | jelly-home | juc0: hm, no. a local backported package would be installed by you manually with dpkg, not with apt. what did you follow? |
| 17:38.14 | juc0 | I used the deb-src line, it didn't contain the latest version. I was then told to use sid.. |
| 17:38.28 | abrotman | yeah .. whoever told you that was an idit |
| 17:38.32 | abrotman | fail ... |
| 17:38.55 | juc0 | the example line given contained sid |
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| 17:39.19 | juc0 | so removing the sid line, updating and upgrading will not revert packages such as glib6? |
| 17:39.24 | abrotman | nope |
| 17:39.28 | juc0 | great. |
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| 17:39.39 | abrotman | pipeline: see .. that's why we don't do that |
| 17:39.49 | ianm_ | how do you fix apt problems like this http://pastebin.com/m3f652690 ? |
| 17:40.06 | abrotman | ianm_: you'd ask #ubuntu ? |
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| 17:40.57 | zinx | abrotman: honestly, i'd install Debian to fix a problem like that, but maybe that's just me |
| 17:41.12 | abrotman | zinx: but it's currently a #ubuntu problem |
| 17:41.18 | zinx | abrotman: indeed |
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| 17:41.49 | ianm_ | it's an apt issue, no? |
| 17:41.50 | ProN00b | how do i remove filehandle limits ? |
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| 17:42.01 | zinx | ianm_: no, it's a #ubuntu problem |
| 17:42.10 | jelly-home | juc0: somehow you ended up with a lenny or sid "deb ..." line, not "deb-src ..." line, that made apt pick packages from a newer release |
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| 17:42.54 | abrotman | ianm_: you got your apt from ubuntu .. ask #ubuntu |
| 17:42.56 | jelly-home | ianm_: their apt and dpkg and repositories are different, we don't dare offer debian advice and possibly mess up your system even more |
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| 17:43.21 | zinx | jelly-home: there's not even a Debian solution to that problem.. it doesn't happen on Debian, some problem with Ubuntu's packages :/ |
| 17:44.10 | ProN00b | does anyone know how i can turn off filehandle limits, i am getting "too many open files" errors |
| 17:44.19 | jelly-home | zinx: I can't count the number of times I got something similar. Then again, I have three releases in sources.list :-) |
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| 17:44.56 | ianm_ | I think it's not an ubuntu issue either, it's that installing some app (global menu, I think) had to install some alternate libs |
| 17:45.14 | jelly-home | ProN00b: depends on which limit you're hitting. cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr |
| 17:45.20 | wols | ianm_: stop arguing. we KNOW it's a ubuntu packaging/repo issue. go to #ubuntu please |
| 17:45.25 | jelly-home | ianm_: ask #ubuntu |
| 17:45.58 | sander_ | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 17:46.04 | sander_ | WHat do I need to do.. to fix this? |
| 17:46.10 | wols | !topicsmite sander_ |
| 17:46.11 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon sander_. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 17:46.14 | abrotman | sander_: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 17:46.15 | zinx | jelly-home: yeah there's a reason we say don't mix releases ;P |
| 17:46.17 | wols | sander_: why do you use sarge backports? |
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| 17:46.35 | wols | sander_: sarge itself is not supported anymore. upgrade to etch |
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| 17:46.46 | ProN00b | jelly-home, cat /proc/sys/fs/file-nr gives me "1664 0 98350" what does that mean ? |
| 17:47.05 | sander_ | wols, Oh. ok.. I use etch. |
| 17:47.08 | Nyle | Good Afternoon |
| 17:47.13 | Nyle | people of the #debian |
| 17:47.13 | wols | sander_: then you use the wrong repo |
| 17:47.19 | sander_ | wols, yeah.. |
| 17:47.32 | wols | sander_: if you want backports, use etch-backports. and do what abrotman said |
| 17:47.34 | jelly-home | ProN00b: it means your system has 1664 file descriptors open currently, out of 98350 limit. so you're not hitting the global limit |
| 17:47.38 | sander_ | W: GPG error: http://www.backports.org etch-backports Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY EA8E8B2116BA136C |
| 17:47.44 | sander_ | Then I got that. |
| 17:47.46 | abrotman | sander_: read the instructions at backports.org |
| 17:47.57 | wols | sander_: you already got your solution. teice. don't spam! |
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| 17:48.05 | wols | *twice |
| 17:48.17 | jelly-home | ProN00b: which app gives you those errors? in which circumstances? what was the exact way you started it? |
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| 17:48.40 | wols | jelly-home: usually it's ulimit that is the culprit |
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| 17:49.16 | ProN00b | jelly-home, app is some java app (java build 1.5.0_14-b03) and its likely leaking, its started under a user i created with adduser |
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| 17:49.33 | ProN00b | jelly-home, i don't want to fix the leak, just work arround it |
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| 17:50.01 | jcranmer | I want to do some movemail testing on my computer, so are there any decent programs that put mail in /var/spool/mail for me? |
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| 17:50.32 | wols | jcranmer: any MTA does by default |
| 17:50.54 | jcranmer | wols: something that doesn't require me to send mail |
| 17:51.24 | wols | jcranmer: what's wrong with sending mail? mail and mailx are easy to use |
| 17:51.29 | jelly-home | ProN00b: as a start, /etc/security/limits.conf, add "username soft nofile 8192" and "username hard nofile 8192" in there, re-log-in as that user. limits.conf might requirs TAB separated columns, I'm not sure |
| 17:51.52 | jelly-home | ProN00b: replace 8192 with a nice number larger than default 1024 |
| 17:52.08 | jelly-home | ProN00b: how exactly are you starting the app? |
| 17:52.08 | jcranmer | I suppose I could just put an entry in my crontab that runs a program that fails every minute... |
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| 17:52.45 | beardy | jcranmer: They're easy to script, and therefore you can send as many as you want, with a for loop for example. A few hundred or what you need to test with. |
| 17:53.10 | jelly-home | jcranmer: echo foo | mail username ? |
| 17:53.31 | jcranmer | okay, if I put that in crontab, that should work |
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| 17:53.59 | eptalon | heyas |
| 17:54.16 | beardy | jcranmer: I thought you wanted a bunch straight away? |
| 17:54.27 | jelly-home | jcranmer: yes, but there's no need for cron |
| 17:54.34 | jcranmer | beardy: I want something that will generate it over time |
| 17:54.44 | beardy | jcranmer: Ah, then cron yes. |
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| 17:55.33 | ProN00b | jelly-home, its got a custom wrapper which i start using a sh script that comes with it, what do you need to know specifically about how its started ? |
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| 17:56.08 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 17:56.12 | eth01 | hi |
| 17:56.39 | solemnwarning | I've installed the etchnhalf kernel, but building nvidia with m-a fails, how can I get around this? |
| 17:56.44 | jelly-home | ProN00b: how do you get to that user, log in? |
| 17:56.46 | wols | ProN00b: how long until it exhausted its file handles? |
| 17:56.50 | wols | ie how long is it running? |
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| 17:57.14 | ProN00b | jelly-home, i login as root and then su to that user |
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| 17:57.35 | ProN00b | wols, a day or something i think |
| 17:58.10 | ianm_ | yay got my *ubuntu* solution ;) "legend2440: ianm_: try sudo aptitude install <program name> it sometimes offers solutions that apt-get does not" |
| 17:58.11 | jelly-home | ProN00b: good. edit limits.conf, then verify "session required pam_limits.so" in /etc/pam.d/su is UNCOMMENTED |
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| 17:59.08 | ProN00b | jelly-home, there is no simple way i can turn this off systemwide, is there ? |
| 17:59.21 | jelly-home | ProN00b: there is. limits.conf. |
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| 18:00.00 | ProN00b | * |
| 18:00.06 | jelly-home | yup |
| 18:00.31 | jelly-home | ProN00b: but if you already have a known user, best not to use a wildcard |
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| 18:00.40 | ProN00b | soo, how high can put this value ? |
| 18:01.33 | jelly-home | ProN00b: the global limit is in /proc/sys/fs/file-max (and it's tunable) |
| 18:02.08 | ProN00b | is there any debiany way to "tune" it permanently ? |
| 18:02.30 | jelly-home | ProN00b: "fs.file-max = 12345678" in /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:03.14 | jelly-home | ProN00b: man 5 proc, man sysctl.conf :-) |
| 18:03.20 | eptalon | Heyas.. I do have a problem when burning DVDs. It starts at like 7x speed, but then falls back to 0.5-0.7x (to settle at 8x) (for a 16x mediuzm and a burner supporting that). Any idea how to fix that problem? (I am running sid/experimental) |
| 18:04.29 | jelly-home | ProN00b: I'd suggest restarting the buggy bugger from cron after it leeches off an excessive number of fds tho |
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| 18:05.06 | jelly-home | ProN00b: or set a large limit and restart it weekly/monthly |
| 18:05.21 | ProN00b | is ther a global /etc/pam.d ? |
| 18:05.32 | ProN00b | one that gets executed for everything |
| 18:06.02 | eptalon | ProN00b: man limits? |
| 18:06.51 | ProN00b | no manual entry |
| 18:07.18 | jelly-home | ProN00b: which debian release are you using? |
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| 18:08.39 | ProN00b | etch afaik |
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| 18:13.23 | jelly-home | !find limits.8 etch |
| 18:13.59 | ProN00b | !find limits.8 etch |
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| 18:14.10 | anddam | hello |
| 18:14.17 | anddam | how can I read the CPU core voltage? |
| 18:14.33 | anddam | I tried lm-sensors but my motherboard (Apollo KT133) isn't supported |
| 18:14.36 | abrotman | tongue |
| 18:14.43 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'limits.8' returned no results. |
| 18:14.43 | anddam | nose |
| 18:15.17 | jelly-home | ProN00b: there are common-* files in /etc/pam.d/ that are included from most others, but you don't want to unlimit fd everywhere anyway |
| 18:15.42 | wols | jelly-home: limits.conf.5.gz |
| 18:15.54 | ProN00b | jelly-home, i do xD |
| 18:15.58 | anddam | abrotman: was it meant to me? If so I can't find any "tongue" package |
| 18:16.04 | eptalon | ProN00b: you don't. |
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| 18:16.22 | abrotman | anddam: sorry .. it was a joke .. i was suggesting you lick it :) |
| 18:16.33 | jelly-home | ProN00b: you'll have to give a very good reason for that |
| 18:16.48 | ProN00b | jelly-home, why ? will it break stuff ? |
| 18:17.02 | anddam | abrotman: can you taste voltage at all? |
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| 18:17.07 | jelly-home | ProN00b: anyway, googling for limits.conf should get you to a manual for that file quickly |
| 18:17.22 | anddam | abrotman: I removed the cpu from slot1 so I'd like to be sure it's still overvolted |
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| 18:18.05 | jelly-home | ProN00b: yes, it has a high potential of making runaway processes suddenly able to affect the whole system and cause a DoS |
| 18:18.36 | anddam | I had unpredicible and occasional hangup, eventually I found out that the 10 years old cpu fan wasn't starting anymore due to dust, I had to start the spinning using a finger |
| 18:18.38 | jelly-home | ProN00b: limit the changes to a minimum, pun not intended |
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| 18:19.18 | abrotman | anddam: the voltage is a motherboard thing |
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| 18:19.19 | ma3x | hi tool or package does k3b use for writing iso files to dvd? |
| 18:19.33 | abrotman | anddam: if you mean overclocking |
| 18:19.45 | quitte | ma3x: wodim |
| 18:19.49 | anddam | abrotman: on slot 1 you could change it insulating daughterboard's pins |
| 18:19.54 | jelly-home | ProN00b: so if you know which user and which app misbehave, and you use "su" to run it under that user, don't go blindly changing the parameters for everything else just because you can |
| 18:19.58 | anddam | abrotman: no I meant overvolting |
| 18:20.20 | ma3x | quirim: if i were to burn a iso to dvd how would i do that from the command line? |
| 18:21.11 | quitte | ma3x: have you tried wodim file.iso? |
| 18:21.19 | zythmer | ma3x: man growisofs |
| 18:23.47 | eptalon | ma3x: growisofs is generally the way to do that (alternative wodim, which is a renamed cdrecord) |
| 18:24.11 | anddam | maybe acpi is switched off in bios |
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| 18:25.26 | abrotman | andash: apt-cache search voltage .. returns a few thyings for me |
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| 18:29.27 | thms | !flash |
| 18:29.27 | dpkg | from memory, flash is frequently used to deliver interactivity, audio and video through a web browser. Ask me about <gnash> or <swfdec> for free implementations or <adobe flash> for a non-free implementation. Also see http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 18:29.40 | eth01 | !language > wols |
| 18:29.49 | eth01 | lul |
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| 18:30.13 | phlux | !language > phlux |
| 18:30.21 | phlux | :( |
| 18:30.25 | eth01 | :( |
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| 18:32.41 | mwnn | hi, I found that files like /usr/include/linux/list.h, etc. were missing in my installation. When I try to install the "linux-headers-2.6.25-2-amd64" package, apt-get tries to install gcc-4.1, cpp-4.1, etc |
| 18:33.15 | dmoerner | mwnn, yes, that is because the kernel was built with gcc 4.1 so if you want to compile something against its headers you should use the same version of gcc |
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| 18:34.26 | mwnn | dmoerner: Thanks |
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| 18:37.37 | anddam | sensors-detect can't detect any sensor but the chipset is supported according to lm-sensors.org |
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| 18:39.44 | dmoerner | anddam, does debian have a new enough version of lm-sensors? |
| 18:39.52 | anddam | it has |
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| 18:40.04 | anddam | $ sensors --version |
| 18:40.04 | anddam | sensors version 3.0.2 with libsensors version 3.0.2 |
| 18:40.42 | anddam | while on lm-sensors.org wiki there is "i2c-viapro 2.4.3 2.5.68" for "module lm-sensor kernel" |
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| 18:40.59 | anddam | dmoerner: and I'm on 2.6 |
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| 18:42.48 | lhz | vi sets my console to 25 rows, how can I change it back ? |
| 18:44.07 | kommodore | don't use vi ;) |
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| 18:45.04 | jelly-home | lhz: stty rows number |
| 18:45.17 | lhz | jelly-home, tried that doesnt work. |
| 18:46.16 | jelly-home | lhz: stty rows |
| 18:46.19 | jelly-home | er |
| 18:46.29 | jelly-home | lhz: what if you did a "reset" after that |
| 18:46.50 | jelly-home | lhz: does "stty -a" show the correct rows number? |
| 18:47.10 | lhz | I'm inside qemu -nographic, so maybe it cant tell rxvt what it is to reset rows ? .. no reset wont work either.. yes stty -a shows > 25 |
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| 18:48.09 | jelly-home | lhz: I have no idea what qemu emulates... it's possible it's a fixed 80x25 console |
| 18:48.27 | lhz | jelly-home, its just fine until I open vi. |
| 18:48.32 | linux_jones513 | aside from doing the base install, is there any way to decide specifically what is installed during a net install? |
| 18:48.53 | jelly-home | lhz: dunno, I'd ask the qemu people |
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| 18:49.31 | lhz | jelly-home, thanks anyway, i'm going on doing an dist-upgrade with 25 rows :) |
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| 18:52.44 | jelly-home | lhz: sometimes a reset with TERM=vt100 does more things than a reset with TERM set to the correct value |
| 18:52.52 | Dacs__ | debian etch how do i run network installation again please |
| 18:53.37 | jelly-home | lhz: also, screen _will_ interfere with reset |
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| 19:01.53 | lhz | jelly-home: thanks again, TERM=xterm and reset worked. Now on to dist-upgrade :) |
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| 19:08.20 | anddam | lhz: are you on etch? |
| 19:10.06 | Dacs | how can i redetect network config |
| 19:10.09 | lhz | anddam: yes the mips inside qemu are on etch. |
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| 19:10.40 | anddam | Dacs: detect network config? |
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| 19:13.49 | Dacs | reconfiguer my network |
| 19:14.06 | Dacs | i am havinghard time to detect my netwrok lan |
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| 19:18.24 | anddam | how did you configure network in first place? |
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| 19:22.18 | _FReeZ | Debian and windows are shits retarded motherfucking !!! |
| 19:22.31 | Similian | why again |
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| 19:23.53 | anddam | bye |
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| 19:33.18 | arcsky | hello, i wonder if anyone know a a tool for check temp on cpu, fans, mainboard... terminal based (cli) |
| 19:33.49 | dmoerner | arcsky, lm-sensors |
| 19:34.01 | dmoerner | temp alone can normally be checked with acpi |
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| 19:34.35 | Lionel_of_Marsei | tonight after 22h , 15 years Debian anniversary , concert at Debian center in 2ndLife ... :P |
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| 19:35.10 | linuxjones513 | how do i switch from gnome to xfce? |
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| 19:37.44 | linuxjones513 | after installing xdm i cant change the session at the log in screen and i want to use xfce\ |
| 19:38.12 | ewet | hi again, maybe this is something for a hardware channel, but: is it generally impossible to display dual-scan resolutions on tft properly or do get something wrong (rest of the questions will then be distro-related - i promise ;-) ) |
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| 19:43.46 | micols | how do i extract only one file from an archive 'script' , archive: foo.tar ? |
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| 19:51.15 | ewet | generally what is the debian way to (quickly) install 32bit programs on 64bit? more specific: it's about 'read-edid' |
| 19:52.11 | ewet | i don't want to create an chroot for an app i probably uninstall 5sec later |
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| 19:55.40 | wat | hello all |
| 19:55.54 | wat | What is debian's equivalent to sudo apt-get install and yum |
| 19:56.07 | simonrvn | sudo apt-get install. no yum. |
| 19:56.08 | pat5star | wat: debian is apt-get install |
| 19:56.08 | dmoerner | wat, apt-get.....? |
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| 19:56.14 | wat | oh really? |
| 19:56.15 | wat | sweet |
| 19:56.17 | simonrvn | apt was invented for debian... |
| 19:56.27 | pat5star | wat: that's where it started :) |
| 19:56.29 | dmoerner | hates ubuntu right now... |
| 19:56.32 | wat | im thinking of switching to debian |
| 19:56.33 | wat | from ubuntu |
| 19:56.36 | pat5star | dmoerner: lol |
| 19:56.41 | wat | i was going to use fedora but fedora hates my computer |
| 19:56.41 | eptalon | wat: apt-get install (perhaps with sudo), no yum |
| 19:56.51 | simonrvn | wat: so you'd know there was no yum, now... |
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| 19:56.58 | wat | os ee |
| 19:57.01 | wat | i see* |
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| 19:57.05 | wat | brb |
| 19:57.08 | eptalon | wat: oic? |
| 19:57.49 | eptalon | simonrvn: that would be an aptitude replacement? |
| 19:58.03 | simonrvn | aptitude came later... |
| 19:58.09 | wat | so yeah im going to try debian |
| 19:58.13 | wat | whats the user level for it? |
| 19:58.21 | pat5star | wat: desktop or server? |
| 19:58.29 | wat | desktop |
| 19:58.47 | simonrvn | "user level"? |
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| 19:58.54 | pat5star | wat: i'll get flamed here, but I prefer ubuntu or kubuntu for desktop, but debian rocks as a server |
| 19:58.57 | eptalon | wat: Ubuntu may have newer packages. |
| 19:59.02 | wat | i have ubuntu................. |
| 19:59.05 | simonrvn | it does not |
| 19:59.11 | wat | it doesnt feel like the right linux for me |
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| 19:59.16 | linuxjones513 | can i switch from gnome to xfce from a terminal? |
| 19:59.23 | wat | so how good is debian as a desktop os |
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| 19:59.30 | simonrvn | linuxjones513: edit ~/.xsession |
| 19:59.44 | simonrvn | wat: very. been using it for years. |
| 19:59.49 | wat | :O |
| 19:59.50 | eptalon | wat: How do you expect us to answer that? |
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| 19:59.55 | pat5star | wat: it's good as a desktop too, but you'll want to know what you're doing and not afraid to poke around |
| 19:59.58 | wat | because you people use it??? |
| 20:00.05 | wat | define know what I'm doing? |
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| 20:00.14 | wat | im not afraid to "poke around" |
| 20:00.28 | eptalon | wat: It is very stable, and allows for a lot of control, on the other hand, packages in the "stable" distribution are usually older. |
| 20:00.35 | simonrvn | it doesn't hand you things on a silver platter, holding your hand while doing so... |
| 20:00.41 | linuxjones513 | simonrvn, i dont have .xsession |
| 20:00.48 | pat5star | wat: I've seen guys who cry every time they have to drop to a command line to config something and prefer a gui, there are better distros than debian for that |
| 20:00.53 | simonrvn | /msg dpkg xsession |
| 20:00.55 | wat | how big is debian o_O |
| 20:01.03 | simonrvn | linuxjones513: ^^^ |
| 20:01.17 | eptalon | wat: Netinst images are 30-180 MB. |
| 20:01.22 | simonrvn | wat: in what sense? |
| 20:01.40 | pat5star | wat: if your comfortable with fixing things, tweaking it the way you want, then you may just love debian. |
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| 20:02.15 | eptalon | wat: I recently installed an NFS server, with about 1G total space used for system. |
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| 20:02.51 | simonrvn | wat: there's several thousand packages, if that's what you mean... |
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| 20:03.05 | eptalon | wat: my desktop box uses about 20G for apps and system. |
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| 20:03.23 | simonrvn | is waiting for a reply ... |
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| 20:04.06 | eptalon | simonrvn: we might not be the right user level.. |
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| 20:04.25 | simonrvn | whateverthefuck that means, heh |
| 20:04.25 | lysdexic | morning :) |
| 20:04.29 | eltopo | unsure |
| 20:04.45 | lysdexic | anyone here know where I can find compiz fusion help for Lenny? |
| 20:04.46 | linuxjones513 | ok, i did make an .initrc and commeneted out gnome-session and added xfce4-session and it still does nothing, am i missing something? |
| 20:04.51 | simonrvn | lysdexic: good afternoon |
| 20:05.07 | ewet | hmmm no debian way to install 32bit stuff quickly (I could have guessed anyway...) |
| 20:05.09 | simonrvn | .xsession |
| 20:05.18 | ewet | +? |
| 20:05.19 | dmoerner | ewet, there will be soon |
| 20:05.22 | wat | does gentoo require experience |
| 20:05.32 | dmoerner | i can't remember the name but it was an apt wrapper |
| 20:05.43 | linuxjones513 | simonrvn, rename .initrc to .xsession? |
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| 20:05.49 | eptalon | wat: you probably better ask the gentoo channel. |
| 20:05.50 | wat | sohows ventoo |
| 20:05.53 | wat | so hows gentoo |
| 20:05.58 | simonrvn | wat: wrong channel. nice going, you just failed at trolling. |
| 20:06.01 | jelly-home | wat: ask them. |
| 20:06.09 | pat5star | wat: imo, gentoo requires patience :P |
| 20:06.11 | lysdexic | like... I have compiz fusion running ok, but I want to check out effects like fire writing and aquarium, but after enabling in the compiz-manager, they dont start.. like how do I get them started? |
| 20:06.18 | simonrvn | linuxjones513: yeh |
| 20:06.25 | simonrvn | linuxjones513: or symlink it |
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| 20:06.39 | wat | im not trolling........ |
| 20:06.40 | lysdexic | yes gentoo requires patience |
| 20:06.41 | ewet | dmoerner: nice! (don't overhear my sarcasm here *g*) but hey! the day was messed up from the start hehe. _when_ will it happen? |
| 20:06.45 | eptalon | pat5star: I stopped building my kernels long ago, I am the wrong user level for a gentoo. |
| 20:06.54 | pat5star | eptalon: lol |
| 20:07.08 | dmoerner | ewet, i'm trying to remember where i read this... |
| 20:07.15 | lysdexic | I liked, and still like gentoo, just prefer lenny for now |
| 20:07.41 | lysdexic | lenny is more stable I guess |
| 20:07.45 | simonrvn | lysdexic: compiz should be running, obviously |
| 20:07.45 | eptalon | lysdexic: My linux is better than yours is the wrong kind of discussion. |
| 20:07.56 | utb_diablo | lenny roxX :) |
| 20:08.04 | lysdexic | simonrvn, it is :) |
| 20:08.52 | utb_diablo | compiz doesn't work on my boxX :o |
| 20:09.04 | utb_diablo | so, compiz works, but emerald don't |
| 20:09.17 | simonrvn | lysdexic: little tip. i use fusion-icon to switch compiz on/off, and switch wms. makes this shit easier, instead of having to do $wm_of_choice --replace &; disown in a term |
| 20:09.18 | lysdexic | like, I can rotate the desktops with the mouse, (cant drag them round though, just click on the desktop number and watch it spin) |
| 20:09.29 | blameless | so is anyone here running debian amd64 on an intel atom? |
| 20:09.34 | jelly-home | hopes English isn't utb_diablo's native language |
| 20:09.38 | thms | What's the gnome archive manager ? (nearly the same as Xarchiver) |
| 20:09.40 | utb_diablo | xd |
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| 20:09.57 | lysdexic | I use kde too, not gnome |
| 20:10.00 | simonrvn | thms: file-roller |
| 20:10.19 | lysdexic | have installed compiz-fusion-kde, and fusioon-icon |
| 20:10.24 | thms | simonrvn: thaznks |
| 20:10.31 | simonrvn | lysdexic: kde does this in its control panel, fusion-icon works there too |
| 20:11.01 | ewet | I like lenny. but what makes me think about switching to arch (although I've never done it - for good reasons) is the "freeze". mesing up my system way too much (for my taste). I think this wouldn't happen on a more continous release... maybe :-D |
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| 20:11.52 | blameless | i just plan to continue using the next testing as soon as it comes out |
| 20:12.32 | lysdexic | simonrvn, when I look in control panel, there is nothing I can find that mentions 'compiz' or 'fusion' |
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| 20:13.27 | newsense | get ccsm |
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| 20:13.52 | lysdexic | ccsm is part of compiz isnt it |
| 20:13.53 | ewet | s/lenny/testing |
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| 20:14.08 | lysdexic | I mean if I type ccsm in the terminal, it starts compiz |
| 20:14.08 | wols | blameless: what atom do you run? ONLY the atom 230 can do em64t |
| 20:14.25 | blameless | wols: i'm asking about the 230. i'm typing this on a 270 but it doesn't have lm |
| 20:14.31 | HeXiLed | anyone has iceweasel and flash working here? what packages do we need for that ? |
| 20:15.05 | blameless | i bought a new atom mb to replace my via c7 in my desktop/server. the atom laptop still runs i386 debian |
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| 20:15.48 | dmoerner | !tell HeXiLed -about flash |
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| 20:15.52 | [Luc1fer] | lysdexic, ccsm is the control panel. |
| 20:15.58 | wols | !tell blameless about anyonr |
| 20:16.00 | lysdexic | ohhhhh |
| 20:16.23 | lysdexic | I thought when you mentioned control panel, you meant kcontrol |
| 20:16.29 | ewet | okay real-life is calling (again) this dual-scan mess is to be continued tommorrow or monday, I guess :-/ |
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| 20:16.44 | newbie__ | hello. what can i do to make a program (command) open with the gdm inicialization? i'm on debian etch/stable xfce 4.x |
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| 20:17.13 | wols | newbie__: explain yourself a little more clearly |
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| 20:17.41 | daydalu | newbie__: you mean something like autostart? |
| 20:17.42 | thms | Which image-viewer should I use ? I've gliv but not really good to view entire folders |
| 20:17.44 | HeXiLed | apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree seems not to exist |
| 20:17.51 | newbie__ | daydalu: that's it :) |
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| 20:18.27 | HeXiLed | http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer <-- outdated ? |
| 20:18.53 | newbie__ | daydalu: i want adesklets to autostart with xfce by command (adesklets --xfce4) |
| 20:19.09 | thms | HeXiLed: did you add contrib to you /etc/apt/sources.list, do you have your /etc/apt/preferences ? |
| 20:19.15 | newbie__ | wols: i want adesklets to autostart with xfce by command (adesklets --xfce4) |
| 20:19.24 | HeXiLed | deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib <-- doing this one |
| 20:19.47 | teratoma | thms: i use qiv |
| 20:19.50 | HeXiLed | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:20.36 | daydalu | newbie__: have a look at your home directory for ~/.config/autostart |
| 20:20.38 | lysdexic | ok, in ccsm I have aquarium checked ... should I have anything else checked as well? |
| 20:20.48 | newbie__ | daydalu: ok. sec |
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| 20:21.21 | HeXiLed | flash working :D . thnak you |
| 20:21.29 | terr_ | has anyone here installed Debian on a dlink DNS 323? |
| 20:21.37 | wols | newbie__: you could put it in ~/.xinit |
| 20:22.00 | newbie__ | wols: which line exatcly? |
| 20:22.51 | newbie__ | daydalu: i've found an archive called adesklets and open it. in the line "Exec" can i put the command "adesklets --xfce4" or will it cause some kind of error? |
| 20:23.23 | wols | newbie__: where did you find this "archive"? |
| 20:23.37 | newbie__ | wols: ~/.config/autostart |
| 20:24.21 | wols | you found an archive namerd adeklets in a file? |
| 20:25.00 | lysdexic | damn, Ive just found out kde 4.1 is out :| |
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| 20:26.00 | newbie__ | wols: the archive i'm talking 'bout is named adesklets.desktop |
| 20:26.02 | daydalu | newbie__: i am not sure about adesklets to be honest. have you tried the #debian-br and #debian-pt channels on irc.oftc.net already? |
| 20:26.20 | daydalu | i hope *-pt is portugese actually |
| 20:26.21 | newbie__ | daydalu: nop |
| 20:26.23 | dmoerner | this is going for weird to weirder |
| 20:26.37 | linuxjones513 | if a make * is looking for /lib/modules/2.6.18 blah blah, does that mean its looking for kernel headers or something? |
| 20:26.46 | daydalu | newbie__: cause maybe its easier to get help when you can explain in your native language what you are looking for |
| 20:27.13 | newbie__ | daydalu: yea, definately. |
| 20:28.11 | newbie__ | daydalu: then i'll take a look in there. thx for helping :) |
| 20:28.21 | daydalu | newbie__: good luck :) |
| 20:28.26 | newbie__ | wols: thx for helping :) |
| 20:28.30 | newbie__ | cya |
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| 20:31.29 | Similian | hello |
| 20:32.00 | Similian | i would like to compile the fcpci module AVM Capi2.0 driver for debian 2.6.24 |
| 20:33.06 | Similian | it doesnt compile |
| 20:33.27 | Similian | /root/fritz/src/main.c:25:26: error: linux/config.h: No such file or directory |
| 20:33.32 | Similian | is the main error i think |
| 20:33.55 | magyar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:34.13 | dmoerner | Similian, linux/config.h was removed way back in kernel 2.6.19 i think |
| 20:34.18 | dmoerner | your source package must be very old |
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| 20:35.01 | Similian | its the latest |
| 20:35.03 | Similian | :( |
| 20:35.18 | Similian | source of avm driver ? |
| 20:35.29 | dmoerner | yes |
| 20:35.32 | Similian | its tha lastest one on the page |
| 20:35.38 | dmoerner | hm |
| 20:35.39 | Similian | are there newer sources? |
| 20:35.46 | dmoerner | maybe i misremembered when it was removed |
| 20:35.51 | Similian | the supported till kernel 2.6.16 |
| 20:35.53 | dmoerner | or rather what was removed |
| 20:36.02 | sadneophyte | it is possible to use debian and ssh to redirect a running X application's graphical output for remote administion? ie without using vnc? |
| 20:36.08 | dmoerner | you mean this source is for 2.6.16? |
| 20:36.19 | Similian | yes |
| 20:36.25 | Similian | its their latest driver |
| 20:36.32 | dmoerner | sadneophyte, i'm not quite sure what your asking but ssh -X lets you run X clients through the ssh tunnel |
| 20:36.51 | Sebboh | Hi. Suppose a utility program that is called by some app. The app provides input on stdin, the utility replies via stdout, and the app does what it does based on the replies. Well, it's not working.. I want to debug. How can I capture both stdin and stdout? I figure I'd make a wrapper script and use tee.. Advice? |
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| 20:36.57 | Similian | i tried to patch it with a few patches in the web but it doesnt seem to work |
| 20:36.59 | dmoerner | Similian, you are probably out of luck then...8 kernel releases = ~2 years |
| 20:37.11 | Similian | sweet baby jesus |
| 20:37.31 | Similian | Well ... thats sad |
| 20:37.52 | Similian | thanks ... I guess I will google on ... worstcase install a 2 year old kernel :( |
| 20:38.22 | sadneophyte | dmoerner I am asking if you can redirect an already running applications (GUI) over an -X enabled ssh connection (instead of starting a new application). |
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| 20:38.44 | jelly-home | sadneophyte: no |
| 20:39.29 | Ryushin | I have a new raid card that will require the new etchnhalf kernel during installation. How do I tell Etch_R4 to use the etchnhalf kernel? I did not find any way to specify it using the expert mode. |
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| 20:40.26 | sadneophyte | jelly-home is it possible to direct (or redirect) an applications graphics to multiple x servers? |
| 20:41.32 | jelly-home | I don't know. If there's a need to access an X session already in progress, I use x11vnc |
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| 20:43.28 | terr_ | sadneophyte: yes it can be done I think the app may have to be aware of what is going on though |
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| 20:43.49 | terr_ | sadneophyte: I've had friends do this years ago but it really was a long time ago |
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| 20:46.44 | tralala | upgrade to lenny just ended up in a disaster |
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| 20:47.19 | Similian | dmoerner : found a blackmarket driver at http://belug.de/~lutz/pub/fcpci/ ... lucky |
| 20:47.28 | jelly-home | tralala: that's why it isn't released yet |
| 20:47.45 | dmoerner | Similian, you can normally find them if you look hard enough |
| 20:47.53 | sadneophyte | terr_ yeah ... ssh is really the medicine of choice, because it is already set up, and the server's system software cannot be modified |
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| 20:50.35 | Similian | i was trying this for 2 days now |
| 20:50.52 | Similian | looking for 2.6.24 plus drivers |
| 20:51.00 | Similian | as soon as i asked you |
| 20:51.03 | Similian | i found one |
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| 20:53.06 | terr_ | sadneophyte: servers system software would not need to be modified. THe application might need to be aware. What happened before is the apps were knowledgeable of many servers and could open a window on demand. However it was ugly to get it running and I didn't work on it... I just saw the apps running. |
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| 20:55.07 | sadneophyte | terr_ cool well thanks for the advice... if you think of any google keywords give a shout |
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| 20:56.47 | terr_ | sadneophyte: check the manual configurations. |
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| 21:01.44 | spanther | !ipw3945 |
| 21:01.44 | dpkg | If you're running Debian Etch with a 2.6.18 kernel, do the following: add <contrib> and <non-free> entries in your sources.list, "aptitude update && aptitude install ipw3945-modules-$(uname -r) firmware-ipw3945 ipw3945d && modprobe ipw3945". See also <ipw3945-fu>. If you're running Debian Lenny - or Etch with an <etchnhalf> or <bpo> kernel - ask me about <iwlwifi>. |
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| 21:08.42 | sysop | sf |
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| 21:16.31 | esaym-acer | ctrl+alt+f1 does not drop to a terminal if I am in a graphical environment, it does however switch just fine if I don't log in graphical. Anyone know why? |
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| 21:25.57 | marazeen|afk | hallo alle zusammen |
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| 21:38.40 | master_of_master | hi, how can i migrate from lilo to grub (that at a dist-upgrade grub ist new installed and not lilo) |
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| 21:42.12 | pzn | Hi! I need to write text information on bottom of jpeg files (like cameras do when whey put date/time in the corner of the picture). which package can help me to do it? |
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| 21:42.51 | stew | pzn: mogrify from imagemagick |
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| 21:45.25 | buntfalke | Did kde4 get into lenny after all? |
| 21:46.20 | esaym-acer | buntfalke: parts of it |
| 21:46.45 | buntfalke | thanks |
| 21:46.56 | Repossessed | Does anybody know about .mkv files? |
| 21:47.01 | buntfalke | esaym-acer: coexistence issues with kde3> |
| 21:47.03 | buntfalke | esaym-acer: coexistence issues with kde3? |
| 21:47.16 | esaym-acer | err I know kdebase-runtime is in testing right now, which should be lenny |
| 21:47.19 | Zharf | Repossessed, not much to know |
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| 21:47.40 | esaym-acer | buntfalke: I have no idea, I could never even get it to work right on a clean unstable install :shrug: |
| 21:47.57 | Repossessed | I've got a h.264 encoded one that won't play, though other h.264 ones are fine, it plays fine in windows |
| 21:48.19 | Zharf | Repossessed, tried mplayer? :) |
| 21:48.28 | Repossessed | no |
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| 21:50.31 | revlo | hi, I would like to ask about a possibility of getting rid of the noise of cron in logfiles like /var/log/auth.log in debian etch |
| 21:51.46 | Repossessed | zharf: Thanks, it works, sortof |
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| 21:52.27 | Zharf | sortof? |
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| 21:55.20 | Repossessed | mplayer doesn't seem to have a way to change audio tracks |
| 21:55.39 | Repossessed | I'll have to dissasemble the mkv and put it back together with the settings I want as default |
| 21:56.10 | tralala | Repossessed, # |
| 21:56.21 | Repossessed | ? |
| 21:56.40 | tralala | that's how you change audio tracks in mplayer |
| 21:56.44 | Repossessed | ah |
| 21:56.45 | skyn3t | how i can locate a file via ssh |
| 21:57.02 | tralala | just as the manual says |
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| 21:57.43 | Repossessed | is there a help button for full commands? |
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| 21:58.23 | skyn3t | Repossessed : are you talk to me? |
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| 21:58.51 | moyix | hi, does anyone know why SMP kernels are now labelled as "transitional" in apt? |
| 21:59.01 | Repossessed | was asking tralala |
| 21:59.09 | Repossessed | hmm, insteresting |
| 21:59.17 | Repossessed | found why other players won;t play it |
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| 21:59.29 | Repossessed | the first frame is mis formatted |
| 21:59.52 | Repossessed | mplayer is just more stubborn |
| 22:00.03 | tralala | moyix, smp is enabled by default starting with etch iinm |
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| 22:00.20 | moyix | aah, makes sense |
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| 22:04.37 | kim0 | Hi gurus, I'm working on a small network (30 people). The problem is that some people abuse the internet connection. I wanna at least measure the bandwidth abuse (or stop it), any recommended easy ways ? |
| 22:04.48 | pzn | stew: mogrify worked as a charm :-) thanks! |
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| 22:05.16 | enouf | tralala: shame, here # only works for movies or whatever, not cdda audiocds |
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| 22:06.18 | magyar | hey guys, I moved eth0:0 from one server to another and the cisco gateway still has the old cache for arp. How can i clear it? |
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| 22:10.44 | Gillpy | Where are the c include files located ? |
| 22:11.13 | zorgan | hi everyone |
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| 22:11.36 | zorgan | anyone has any idea why my >=2.6.24 kernels with initramfs are not working? |
| 22:11.47 | zorgan | I just get on a busybox shelll |
| 22:12.00 | zorgan | the strange thing is that there is no /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX |
| 22:12.16 | zorgan | :/ |
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| 22:13.10 | bzed | Gillpy: /usr/include will have most stuff you're looking for |
| 22:13.11 | zorgan | I've tried to use LABEL=xxx and /dev/disk/by-label/xxx to avoid this, but it still doesn't work |
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| 22:14.28 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 22:14.51 | hramrach_ | Where do I get a netboot debian installer? |
| 22:14.56 | sardior | howdy, I have an ess solo sound card (old) on a computer and I can't get my system to recognize it. any thoughts? |
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| 22:15.35 | hramrach_ | It looks like the netboot for lenny is too old and it cannot find the kernel modules |
| 22:16.07 | hramrach_ | sardior: is that the isa card? |
| 22:16.46 | sardior | uh, yes. I know it's old, but I had fc7 working on it. |
| 22:17.40 | sardior | debian works better on it and I'm trying to get everything working right. |
| 22:17.40 | tralala | enouf, try < and > |
| 22:17.44 | hramrach_ | sardior: bad for you, Debian has poor support for isa/isapnp these days |
| 22:18.17 | hramrach_ | thry installing isapnptools and read docs for them and/or the card in the linux docs |
| 22:18.21 | sardior | so find an older pci card in my drawer ;) |
| 22:18.40 | enouf | tralala: ok, i will - watching a movie atm ;-) thanks |
| 22:19.17 | sardior | isapnptools... ok thanks. I'll try that. |
| 22:19.22 | hramrach_ | sardior: yes, a pci card should cause much less headache |
| 22:20.00 | sardior | hramrach: I'll try the tools first then try to find another card if that doesn't work. Thanks for your help. |
| 22:21.51 | Gillpy | bzed: any hint on where I can find iostream ? it's not in /usr/include |
| 22:22.35 | \amethyst | Gillpy: look under /usr/include/c++/ |
| 22:23.02 | \amethyst | Gillpy: there there should be subdirectories for each GCC version, which contain the stdc++ headers |
| 22:24.29 | \amethyst | Gillpy: they are in packages libstdc++<abi version>-<gcc version>-dev |
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| 22:27.07 | esaym-acer | how does debian know ctrl+alt+f1 means to switch to getty1? |
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| 22:27.57 | Gillpy | \amethyst: everything seems installed but gcc still returns iostream no such file or directory, I'm guessing I need to configure a search path? |
| 22:28.15 | \amethyst | Gillpy: are you using gcc or g++? |
| 22:28.18 | esaym-acer | because that isn't working for me from kde, even though the buttons are recognized in other programs |
| 22:28.24 | Gillpy | \amethyst: gcc |
| 22:28.32 | \amethyst | Gillpy: if you want to compile C++ code, use g++ |
| 22:28.39 | \amethyst | Gillpy: iostream is a C++ header, not C |
| 22:28.59 | neonlightning | i at some point seem to have lost the ability to hold a key and have it repeat(most annoying with the times backspace is needed) |
| 22:29.32 | jelly-home | neonlightning: X or console? |
| 22:29.40 | neonlightning | both |
| 22:29.49 | neonlightning | or wait one sec i'll try a tty |
| 22:30.06 | neonlightning | still fine in console |
| 22:30.16 | neonlightning | it seems to be an issue with x |
| 22:30.29 | jelly-home | !key delay |
| 22:30.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, key delay is 'xset r [[on|off] rate #delay [#rate]]' (see man xset for details), or entry "AutoRepeat" in section "InputDevice" |
| 22:30.48 | neonlightning | oh cool didn't know that one |
| 22:31.16 | neonlightning | that worked |
| 22:31.20 | neonlightning | needed to be set to on |
| 22:31.28 | neonlightning | weird wonder why it would change |
| 22:31.52 | jelly-home | you killed an app that disabled it in an unclean way |
| 22:31.59 | neonlightning | guess |
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| 22:32.13 | jelly-home | it is a guess, right |
| 22:33.48 | neonlightning | what i ment was "i guess that must be it" |
| 22:34.25 | jelly-home | I know, and I ment what I ment. :-) |
| 22:34.35 | neonlightning | man its pretty dead in here today |
| 22:34.42 | jelly-home | thankfully. |
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| 22:56.25 | screamingbytes | afternoon all |
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| 23:02.53 | AndreSTC | can i install etch1 and then change the repositories to lenny? |
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| 23:03.04 | wantok | yes |
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| 23:10.04 | Xttor | [01:09:59] < Fakotza> Tjenare ni kasnke har sätt mina filmer på youtube? sysslar med flash film nån som har tips på filmer man kan skapa? |
| 23:10.07 | Xttor | Sorry |
| 23:10.09 | Xttor | Wrong channel :( |
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| 23:12.49 | JordiGH | How can I know if my pendrive is connecting with USB 2.0 or not? If it isn't, can I make it use USB 2.0? |
| 23:13.45 | Zharf | if the hardware on the box supports usb 2.0 then it should be usb2 |
| 23:14.53 | Zharf | JordiGH, it should say something like "USB device using ehci_hcd" in `dmesg` |
| 23:15.05 | wols | JordiGH: dmesg probably |
| 23:15.23 | Zharf | like, usb 5-3: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 |
| 23:15.26 | Zharf | that |
| 23:15.41 | Zharf | ohci_hcd and uhci_hcd are USB 1.0/1.1 |
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| 23:16.07 | JordiGH | This isn't one of those hardware things with no free drivers? |
| 23:16.08 | JordiGH | tries it. |
| 23:16.38 | Zharf | JordiGH, the hardware needs to support USB2 (EHCI) |
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| 23:16.50 | Zharf | mm |
| 23:17.03 | Zharf | if it's older than 6 years then I don't think you should worry |
| 23:17.03 | JordiGH | Hm, lots of things in dmesg with ehci in them. |
| 23:17.05 | Zharf | err |
| 23:17.16 | Zharf | that didn't come out right |
| 23:17.20 | Zharf | oh well, I should go to sleep -> |
| 23:17.23 | JordiGH | It's just that it takes sooo long to move one gig of data to the pendrive. About four minutes. |
| 23:17.27 | JordiGH | Is that a good speed? |
| 23:18.22 | JordiGH | Yeah, ok. It looks like it's using ehci. |
| 23:18.26 | dmoerner | that's 4 mb/s |
| 23:18.34 | Zharf | JordiGH, even if the pendrive supports usb2, it might be so crappy that it can't utilise its full potential |
| 23:18.50 | dmoerner | i think the fastest pendrives max out at 20 mb/s write and those are more expensive |
| 23:19.15 | Zharf | for example topfield says it has USB 2 on the digitv box, but it takes like 10 minutes to transfer a 2G file |
| 23:19.22 | JordiGH | I'm considering investing on an external hard drive for backup. Should I go for a firewire one? |
| 23:19.38 | Zharf | if you have firewire on your box, sure :) |
| 23:19.48 | Zharf | I'd recommend eSATA though for max speed |
| 23:19.53 | JordiGH | Any driver issues I should be aware of? |
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| 23:19.57 | JordiGH | eSATA? |
| 23:19.58 | Zharf | but you probably need a new PCI card.. |
| 23:20.04 | JordiGH | It's a lappy. |
| 23:20.04 | Zharf | external SATA |
| 23:20.07 | Zharf | ah |
| 23:20.26 | JordiGH | I've got one of those mini PCI slots here. |
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| 23:24.46 | JordiGH | curses the practice of using megabits instead of bytes when discussing transfer speeds. |
| 23:24.52 | JordiGH | Dividing everything by 8 is a chore. |
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| 23:26.13 | screamingbytes | im beyond frustrated lol |
| 23:26.23 | Zharf | I'm beyond tired |
| 23:26.25 | Zharf | so night |
| 23:26.25 | screamingbytes | kk my mouse still won't work on one machine i have |
| 23:26.32 | screamingbytes | it works on 3 others |
| 23:27.05 | screamingbytes | debian etch Xwindows env, the mouse moves (cursor) but I can't gain object focus nor click |
| 23:27.26 | screamingbytes | I have redone the drivers, tried all X combo's i can think of |
| 23:28.09 | screamingbytes | Drivers: mouse, ImPS/2, ps/2, etc..., Ive tried all devices, and other combo's |
| 23:28.15 | screamingbytes | anyideas ? |
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| 23:31.10 | b52 | any idea where i can get vsftpd 2.0.7 package? |
| 23:33.47 | JordiGH | b52: Looks like it isn't packaged yet. |
| 23:34.26 | screamingbytes | b52: why that specific version? |
| 23:35.13 | b52 | because 2.0.6 has a bug covering ssl with filezilla |
| 23:36.07 | JordiGH | b52: A security bug? I hope that's RC. |
| 23:36.13 | JordiGH | b52: Is that bug already in the BTS? |
| 23:36.17 | b52 | not a security bug |
| 23:36.30 | jelly-home | nevertheless, is it in the bts? |
| 23:36.32 | b52 | vsftpd handles the ssl connection not like described in the rfc |
| 23:36.37 | b52 | no idea what bts means |
| 23:36.40 | jelly-home | !bts |
| 23:36.41 | dpkg | Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber . aptitude install reportbug, and check out <querybts> too. Users of unstable and testing are required to check the BTS. Useful for unstable and testing: aptitude install apt-listbugs <apt-listchanges> . |
| 23:36.56 | b52 | its described on the vsftpd webhsite |
| 23:38.29 | jelly-home | b52: if you wish the maintainers to take up the newer version faster, it would be prudent to point it actually fixes important issues. That is, complain the current packageare are broken |
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| 23:39.01 | jelly-home | b52: file a bug if it's not already there. |
| 23:39.08 | screamingbytes | Shutdown the SSL data connections properly. This prevents clients such as |
| 23:39.09 | screamingbytes | recent FileZilla from complaining. Reported by various people |
| 23:39.14 | screamingbytes | that what you mean? |
| 23:39.37 | screamingbytes | thats 2.0.6, 2.0.7 has 0 Change log differences |
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| 23:44.31 | screamingbytes | b52: looks like it was fixed in the last version of Debian pkg, so if your running etch or above your solid |
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| 23:46.17 | plasmid | anyone run Asterisk on Debian etch? |
| 23:47.00 | screamingbytes | jelly-home: its not an issue with our pkg, its VSFTPD release, it mishandled ssl stuff and only affected Filezilla. Either way its already been fixed in deb's packages, not VSFTPD packages. I.e. our etc + version is fine |
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| 23:47.44 | screamingbytes | our etch + versions are fine |
| 23:47.56 | screamingbytes | VSFTPD 2.0.6 seems to be ok |
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| 23:48.07 | manu_hack | hi, in less, there is a lot of ESC[7;1;34m ESC like characters which I guess should control the color, how to make less to show color? |
| 23:49.00 | simonrvn | -r |
| 23:49.07 | simonrvn | man less ... |
| 23:49.16 | jelly-home | or -R |
| 23:49.31 | JordiGH | Are any manpages coloured? |
| 23:49.51 | simonrvn | no, but you can |
| 23:51.00 | simonrvn | you can colour them "on-the-fly" by setting certain things beforehand. |
| 23:51.07 | manu_hack | thx guys |
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| 23:52.05 | JordiGH | whatis less |
| 23:52.21 | simonrvn | wrong window ;p |
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| 23:52.50 | edwin_quijada | I am trying to install java in debian with fakeroot but i get an error |
| 23:52.58 | screamingbytes | i |
| 23:52.58 | screamingbytes | ' |
| 23:53.06 | JordiGH | edwin_quijada: Which java? What version of Debian? |
| 23:53.09 | screamingbytes | JordiGH its like more |
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| 23:53.14 | screamingbytes | but better |
| 23:53.53 | edwin_quijada | Debian etch java jdk-6u7-linux-i586.bin |
| 23:54.03 | JordiGH | Oh, etch. :-/ |
| 23:54.12 | jelly-home | edwin_quijada: fakeroot won't help you install things where otherwise you couldn't |
| 23:54.49 | edwin_quijada | jelly-home: idont get install?? |
| 23:55.06 | jelly-home | edwin_quijada: if the installer wants to eg. write in /etc, it'll fail |
| 23:55.08 | JordiGH | OpenJDK is already in testing. It works like a charm. I wonder if it's already backported... |
| 23:55.17 | JordiGH | doesn't get what fakeroot is for. |
| 23:55.25 | jelly-home | to make packages |
| 23:55.31 | JordiGH | Yeah, other than that? |
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| 23:55.43 | edwin_quijada | but i cant use the sun version? |
| 23:56.05 | JordiGH | edwin_quijada: OpenJDK *is* the Sun version. And it's easier to install on Debian. |
| 23:56.11 | JordiGH | Well, on testing. Not on stable. |
| 23:56.16 | edwin_quijada | :s |
| 23:56.19 | jelly-home | edwin_quijada: you can. we regularly install Sun's installers in /usr/local/java |
| 23:56.20 | edwin_quijada | i cant use it |
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| 23:56.53 | jelly-home | (well, in /usr/local and symlink it a bit) |
| 23:57.05 | JordiGH | Can OpenJDK be backported? |
| 23:57.08 | jelly-home | just use real root |
| 23:57.18 | edwin_quijada | i decompressed .bin |
| 23:57.19 | JordiGH | Yeah, I guess. Use real root. |
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| 23:57.35 | plasmid | anyone use Debian with asterisk 1.4 here? |
| 23:57.44 | edwin_quijada | me |
| 23:57.45 | jelly-home | JordiGH: who cares, when an app says "works with jdk 6, you go and use that and don't mess around" |
| 23:58.08 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Isn't OpenJDK jdk 6? I haven't had a problem yet with it. |
| 23:58.10 | jelly-home | hm, quotes end in wrong place |
| 23:58.19 | jelly-home | it isn't. |
| 23:58.47 | edwin_quijada | maybe if i use alien |
| 23:58.48 | edwin_quijada | ? |
| 23:58.56 | jelly-home | afaiui, it's parts what might become 7, parts other trees |
| 23:59.05 | JordiGH | jelly-home: But isn't OpenJDK already blessed to do everything the other Java did? |
| 23:59.22 | xand | plasmid: yes, why? |
| 23:59.40 | plasmid | xand, may I pick your brain? |
| 23:59.40 | jelly-home | JordiGH: no idea |
| 23:59.53 | JordiGH | Frostwire works like a charm with OpenJDK. |
