| 00:00.12 | JordiGH | The Java applets online all seem to be working fine too. |
| 00:00.15 | xand | plasmid: maybe, but I'm not an expert |
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| 00:00.17 | edwin_quijada | JordiGH: i need java for dialer with asterisk |
| 00:00.20 | jelly-home | JordiGH: again, "works" and "we'll support your installation" are very different things |
| 00:00.34 | JordiGH | I might dust off my old Java code from undergrad and learn the language all over again. |
| 00:00.34 | agaran | hello, which debian line is replacement for mipsel woody? |
| 00:01.09 | quitte | agaran: etch |
| 00:01.14 | jelly-home | quitte: no |
| 00:01.25 | dmoerner | agaran, http://www.debian.org/ports/mips/ list of etch-supported chips is there |
| 00:01.29 | quitte | huh? no mipsel in etch? |
| 00:01.54 | dmoerner | jelly-home, Digital DECstations are little-endian which is mipsel and are supported by etch |
| 00:01.59 | jelly-home | agaran: if you want to upgrade, you'll have to first upgrade to sarge, and only then to etch (current stable) |
| 00:02.02 | dmoerner | cobalt cube as well |
| 00:02.07 | dmoerner | oh that's what you mean. sorry |
| 00:02.13 | agaran | jelly-home: install from scratch on routerboard, mipsel |
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| 00:02.38 | quitte | jelly-home: oh right. woody is _that_ old. :) |
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| 00:03.09 | agaran | i have decstation also but this time weird/old-unusual hardware isnt a case |
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| 00:04.27 | jelly-home | oh, then listen to people that actually have a mips, not me |
| 00:04.30 | agaran | no support for idt mips4Kc here |
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| 00:05.01 | agaran | jelly-home: i have mipsel, even could use mipsbe (just getting one sgi from nearby company) but that wont help me much still |
| 00:05.11 | muuselt | hello there I was just wondering if you know where addons are stored on linux systems. I think I've found them in the home/mozilla/firefox/extensions folder but I wanted to check there are no other vestiges. I've just removed afew and wanted to make sure they're purged. |
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| 00:05.57 | agaran | so i need woody or compile from scratch, guess which one way is simpler:) |
| 00:07.14 | JordiGH | muuselt: Debian also has some Iceweasel extensions that are installed system-wide, for example, Beagle. |
| 00:07.32 | quitte | i don't see the point in non-embedded mips(el) systems. |
| 00:07.56 | muuselt | JordiGH where are they - in the user/mozilla directory somewhere? |
| 00:07.57 | agaran | are there any chances for finding debian woody somewhere with mipsel part especially? |
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| 00:08.14 | muuselt | Sorry I'm a newbie so it might be obvious if I wasn't :) |
| 00:08.40 | agaran | quitte: all depends what we call embeded, if embeded thingie could solve bunch and half of problems and only sacrifice is serial console instead of vga.. i dont care about vga |
| 00:08.45 | JordiGH | muuselt: They're in /usr/lib/iceweasel, but don't delete those files directly; remove the Debian package instead. |
| 00:09.23 | muuselt | JordiGH but they're only certain kinds of addons? |
| 00:09.24 | quitte | agaran: http://archive.debian.org/ |
| 00:09.40 | JordiGH | muuselt: Also, why are you deleting extensions like that instead of deleting them from Iceweasel's interface? |
| 00:09.46 | muuselt | not stuff like media browser which I removed because it just doesn't really work |
| 00:09.48 | agaran | thank you very much |
| 00:09.53 | JordiGH | media browser? |
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| 00:10.19 | muuselt | JordiGH I have already done that just wanted to check it doesn't leave any vestiges |
| 00:10.20 | JordiGH | muuselt: The stuff in /usr/lib/iceweasel is for system-wide installs. |
| 00:10.40 | muuselt | So that would happen for stuff I added as auser anyway? |
| 00:10.58 | JordiGH | Uh, if it's deleted, it's gone. You don't have to check for vestiges. This isn't Windows. When you ask for stuff to be gone, it really is gone. |
| 00:11.01 | muuselt | that's fine it looks like they're gone |
| 00:11.16 | edwin_quijada | JordiGH: in debian exist a java packe |
| 00:11.32 | JordiGH | edwin_quijada: For etch? I think it's in backports. |
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| 00:11.36 | muuselt | they obviously don't leave as many tracks in linux as in Windows |
| 00:11.36 | edwin_quijada | sun-java5-jdk - Sun Java(TM) Development Kit (JDK) 5.0 |
| 00:11.40 | muuselt | many thanks |
| 00:11.58 | JordiGH | edwin_quijada: You wanted Java 6, right? |
| 00:12.00 | agaran | quitte: thanks, found at least something that might give a chance to boot this board under not-propertiary-os.. |
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| 00:12.12 | edwin_quijada | not necesarily |
| 00:12.19 | test | how do i remove a packge without removing the dependencys? |
| 00:12.27 | edwin_quijada | 5 can work for me |
| 00:12.28 | test | i have this messed up package on a box |
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| 00:12.43 | JordiGH | test: Uhm, you can do "dpkg -r packagename". |
| 00:12.49 | crashdummy | it does not work |
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| 00:12.58 | JordiGH | crashanddie: Details? |
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| 00:13.09 | JordiGH | Er, crashdummy ^^ |
| 00:13.33 | crashanddie | you interrupted my film :( |
| 00:13.41 | JordiGH | Sorry. |
| 00:13.45 | crashdummy | eh #lflood? |
| 00:13.45 | crashanddie | no problem :D |
| 00:13.48 | crashdummy | #flood |
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| 00:14.09 | crashdummy | its alot of crap apt-get is spitting |
| 00:14.15 | moshii | crashdummy: if you're watching a film.. you'd have other noises muted wouldn't you? |
| 00:14.29 | crashdummy | dpkg: dependency problems prevent removal of x11-xserver-utils: xutils depends on x11-xserver-utils. xorg depends on x11-xserver-utils. xbase-clients depends on x11-xserver-utils. |
| 00:14.29 | dpkg | crashdummy: You are moron #1 |
| 00:14.33 | o[-_-]o | Hi |
| 00:14.35 | crashdummy | basically stuff like that |
| 00:14.45 | crashdummy | hi dpkg your messed up |
| 00:15.07 | moshii | crashdummy: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 00:15.08 | crashdummy | i just wanna remove th epackage iwthout all the deps |
| 00:15.10 | o[-_-]o | ?? |
| 00:15.16 | crashdummy | and then install it |
| 00:15.28 | crashdummy | very easy always works with every other package tool ive used |
| 00:15.35 | JordiGH | crashdummy: Oh, you want to reinstall. |
| 00:15.40 | crashdummy | but i forgot how you remove |
| 00:15.44 | crashdummy | i did a "reinstall |
| 00:15.44 | moshii | crashdummy: if you want to reinstall it, use the reinstall option |
| 00:15.47 | JordiGH | crashdummy: aptitude reinstall |
| 00:15.47 | crashdummy | but it did not work |
| 00:15.52 | crashdummy | ah aptitude |
| 00:15.55 | crashdummy | lets try that |
| 00:16.07 | JordiGH | crashdummy: Wait, have you not been using aptitude? |
| 00:16.13 | moshii | crashdummy: what difference will removing and installing it again make? |
| 00:16.15 | JordiGH | Switching from apt-get to aptitude is nontrivial. |
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| 00:16.28 | crashdummy | nice dude |
| 00:16.32 | crashdummy | aptitude worked fine |
| 00:16.32 | JordiGH | crashdummy: Did you manually mess with the config files of that package? |
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| 00:16.42 | JordiGH | Oh, problem is fixed? |
| 00:16.42 | crashdummy | well in this case apt-get did not work |
| 00:16.46 | crashdummy | i dont know why |
| 00:16.51 | crashdummy | i know they are frontends |
| 00:17.26 | JordiGH | apt-get and aptitude are really different. aptitude tends to be better, and it's the current recommended package tool for Debian. |
| 00:17.28 | crashdummy | but for some reason apt-get had some issue with the dep and reinstalling it, i could bore you with the logs if you really do not trust me when i say it was trivial in this case |
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| 00:17.39 | crashdummy | i had no idea i just figured they where frontends |
| 00:17.46 | crashdummy | ive not used debian for like 6 years |
| 00:17.50 | crashdummy | nice to be back though |
| 00:17.51 | quitte | JordiGH: can you recommend some docs about the difference between aptitude and apt? maybe also sylpheed? |
| 00:17.55 | JordiGH | Well, they're frontends to dpkg. |
| 00:17.59 | crashdummy | yea |
| 00:18.03 | JordiGH | !tell quitte about why aptitude. |
| 00:18.06 | crashdummy | but dpkg --reinstall did not work |
| 00:18.13 | JordiGH | !tell quitte about why not aptitude. |
| 00:18.15 | crashdummy | and i tried that force flag |
| 00:18.25 | moshii | thought apt-get and aptitude were pretty close now.. |
| 00:18.25 | crashdummy | thats in the manpage but no banana |
| 00:18.29 | JordiGH | crashdummy: apt-get and aptitude have completely different conflict resolution mechanisms. |
| 00:18.37 | JordiGH | moshii: Oh, they do? |
| 00:18.39 | crashdummy | moshii: yea i heard they are very close indeed |
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| 00:19.06 | bruenig | so I need a few things, the dpkg switch to get the version info of an installed package, and if you could just paste the output so I can figure out what text manipulation tools I require to isolate it for my script |
| 00:19.07 | quitte | JordiGH: so since apt-get has autoclean now - what do i gain? |
| 00:19.08 | crashdummy | thanks though i will start using aptitude, it seems a little better i think |
| 00:19.09 | moshii | JordiGH: well, they both do automatic removal of unneeded deps etc |
| 00:19.21 | JordiGH | Is anyone actually maintaining apt-get? Last time I looked at it, it looked like someone was learning C++. |
| 00:19.43 | JordiGH | quitte: Conflict resolution is still smarter in aptitude. |
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| 00:20.16 | screamingbytes | so if you want devices in /dev/ is the best method making them, or installing software that makes them |
| 00:20.16 | JordiGH | quitte: As in the present example with crashdummy, apparently. |
| 00:20.46 | JordiGH | screamingbytes: Installing software that makes them. Your /dev should be very small nowadays, btw. |
| 00:21.08 | quitte | JordiGH: maybe. i was mostly confused by what aptitude did so went back to apt pretty soon |
| 00:21.12 | screamingbytes | it is, but its missing a few /dev/items |
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| 00:21.56 | plasmid | using ssh from my 192.168.1.102 box I am trying to reach my debian box (192.168.1.105) but when i try to ssh to it.. i get "host unreacheable" any ideas? |
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| 00:22.03 | JordiGH | quitte: aptitude is apt. But apt-get and aptitude disagree on conflict resolution. I'm not sure if it's still the same, but it used to be that if you wanted to switch from apt-get to aptitude, you had to let aptitude do a bit of a mess at first, and then all would be well. |
| 00:22.16 | moshii | screamingbytes: there is a static dir to manually add nodes to udev.. |
| 00:22.20 | screamingbytes | im fighting an odd situation, and a machine that has these /dev/ items, is using them, and is working fine is my sample machine to recover my machine that is choking |
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| 00:22.46 | phellarv | A quick - out of context question: What is the default username and password on a Sun iLo? |
| 00:23.08 | screamingbytes | Admin |
| 00:23.09 | moshii | phellarv: googled it? |
| 00:23.15 | screamingbytes | and usually blank password |
| 00:23.18 | screamingbytes | i believ |
| 00:23.51 | screamingbytes | moshii: is there a static dir to add /dev/ items to /dev? |
| 00:24.05 | screamingbytes | moshii: and /dev/input/ |
| 00:24.29 | moshii | screamingbytes: yeah.. just a second, have to refresh myself on how it works |
| 00:26.13 | moshii | screamingbytes: /lib/udev/ somewhere in there I think |
| 00:27.19 | moshii | screamingbytes: /lib/udev/devices/ I think |
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| 00:28.44 | screamingbytes | tyvm moshii |
| 00:29.25 | moshii | you shouldn't need to create device nodes very often anymore though, which is good :) |
| 00:29.50 | plasmid | what's the default installation path for debian? /usr/src ? |
| 00:30.28 | moshii | plasmid: installion of what? |
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| 00:30.42 | plasmid | asterisk-gui |
| 00:30.59 | moshii | plasmid: why would it install in /usr/src? |
| 00:31.18 | b52 | could someone help me to build a vsftpd 2.0.7 package? |
| 00:31.22 | plasmid | it doesn't. it gives me a choice to install it anywhere. |
| 00:31.26 | jelly-home | plasmid: like any other package, it installs its stuff all over the system. dpkg -L packagename will show you the contents |
| 00:32.02 | jelly-home | plasmid: is this a debian package? |
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| 00:33.21 | plasmid | jelly-home, not that i am aware of. I am following instructions from here: http://www.asteriskguru.com/tutorials/asterisk_gui.html but now svn is not a valid command.. I tried apt-get install svn witn no success. I installed debian with net install. |
| 00:33.41 | moshii | plasmid: apt-cache search svn |
| 00:34.24 | moshii | plasmid: package you're looking for is called subversion |
| 00:34.43 | plasmid | svn-workbench - A Workbench for Subversion ? |
| 00:34.50 | jelly-home | plasmid: one _usually_ puts the locally built software in /usr/local |
| 00:35.03 | jelly-home | no, just "subversion" |
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| 00:35.22 | plasmid | oh i c. |
| 00:35.34 | plasmid | then I will goto /usr/local Thankx |
| 00:36.06 | moshii | plasmid: when you do make install you should be able to see where it's putting stuff :/ |
| 00:36.38 | plasmid | moshii i c |
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| 00:56.56 | Gigantic | omg... Guys anyone can reccomend me a dns server? looks like mi isp is blocking ORSN |
| 00:57.02 | Gigantic | :( |
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| 00:57.14 | Gigantic | im using opendns rite now |
| 00:57.49 | Gigantic | or is it down? |
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| 01:00.23 | wols | ask #networking or such. this is not a debian question |
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| 01:11.08 | Hinata` | Hi does someone knows a terminal program to take screenshot (I don't have GDM and only use ion3) |
| 01:11.49 | DogBoy | scrot |
| 01:11.57 | Hinata` | scrot? |
| 01:12.10 | DogBoy | apt-cache search screen | grep console |
| 01:12.16 | DogBoy | or so |
| 01:12.33 | Gigantic | import |
| 01:12.46 | Gigantic | comes with the ImageMagic |
| 01:12.51 | Hinata` | ok thanks you ^^ |
| 01:12.56 | DogBoy | imagemagik |
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| 01:14.25 | DogBoy | ImageMagick |
| 01:14.31 | DogBoy | heh |
| 01:15.10 | Gigantic | medice curate ipsum :) |
| 01:15.47 | DogBoy | yea |
| 01:16.01 | JordiGH | medicine heals yourself? |
| 01:16.15 | Gigantic | doctor, heal yourself |
| 01:16.19 | JordiGH | Oh. |
| 01:16.20 | DogBoy | oh, I thought it was check your zipper |
| 01:16.47 | JordiGH | That's a nice way of saying "rtfm". |
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| 01:19.56 | Gigantic | that is something like "animum operculum" :) |
| 01:21.02 | JordiGH | The little lid of the soul? |
| 01:22.08 | Gigantic | :) |
| 01:22.18 | JordiGH | doesn't get it. |
| 01:24.49 | Gigantic | well there is no word for zipper as far as I know... so... it wuld be something like "look at your loincloth " |
| 01:25.15 | Gigantic | lol I better know the name of the loincloth in latin than in English heh |
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| 01:27.39 | JordiGH | While we're offtopic, talking about classical languages, and crotches... http://suicidegirls.com/boards/Music/26232/ |
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| 01:28.18 | dionyziz | Hey guys, I'm trying to set up python fastcgi for lighttpd on a debian machine; is there a package I should be installing? I know that for PHP I need the php5-cgi package, but how about python? I already have lighttpd running and configured to work for php files, just need to add python support. |
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| 01:33.02 | Gigantic | *me wonders if django would help |
| 01:33.25 | Gigantic | *me is alergyc to php tho... so no idea |
| 01:34.10 | JordiGH | demonstrates the /me command. |
| 01:34.17 | monsterb | Im doing a live podcast 2nite @ 11pm CST. http://linuxcranks.info listen or call in. ;P Happy Birthday Debian ;) |
| 01:34.37 | JordiGH | Crap, is it Debianday today? |
| 01:35.12 | Gigantic | where is the alcohol ?! |
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| 01:35.34 | monsterb | I have my supply for the nite. |
| 01:35.39 | Gigantic | apt-get Jager |
| 01:35.42 | monsterb | jack and coke |
| 01:36.04 | JordiGH | !balloons |
| 01:36.07 | JordiGH | !cake |
| 01:36.07 | dpkg | The cake is a lie. |
| 01:36.12 | JordiGH | !champagne |
| 01:36.22 | JordiGH | dpkg isn't a party animal... |
| 01:36.22 | dpkg | JordiGH: wish i knew |
| 01:36.26 | Gigantic | !strippers |
| 01:37.22 | JordiGH | !coke |
| 01:37.23 | dpkg | somebody said coke was not the drug and not the beverage, but a formidable hacker. Don't mess with him! |
| 01:37.37 | Gigantic | !party |
| 01:37.37 | dpkg | [party] Lego, and alcohol |
| 01:38.09 | Gigantic | !botabuse |
| 01:38.09 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:38.23 | monsterb | dpkg, sorry i mean cola |
| 01:38.23 | dpkg | monsterb: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 01:39.08 | Gigantic | dpkg, weed? |
| 01:39.10 | dpkg | Gigantic: bugger all, i dunno |
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| 01:42.05 | Gillpy | dpkg, boobs ? |
| 01:42.05 | dpkg | (.)(.) |
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| 01:43.30 | neonlightning | i wonder how many people right now are bombarding dpkg with msgs trying to find something witty for it to say(i only recently started using debian so this doesn't have enough pull for me) |
| 01:44.03 | jester45 | 13 people |
| 01:44.04 | JordiGH | is done. |
| 01:44.07 | s3a | does any1 here no how to add a cursor theme? |
| 01:44.25 | jester45 | s3a, what DE |
| 01:44.34 | Gigantic | s3a in kde or something? |
| 01:44.37 | s3a | jester45: wat does DE mean? |
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| 01:45.01 | Gigantic | DE = Desktop Environment, i.e. KDE, Gnome, WindowMaker etc |
| 01:45.06 | jester45 | s3a, desktop enviroment, gnome kde or e17 are the big ones |
| 01:45.15 | s3a | jester45: gnome, im using etch |
| 01:45.27 | jester45 | is wm a de? i thought it was a window manager |
| 01:45.34 | neonlightning | Gigantic, windowmaker isn't a de is it(i haven't used it in a long time) thought it was a wm |
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| 01:46.05 | s3a | i never heard of e17 |
| 01:46.10 | jester45 | s3a, open the apperance program under system -> preferances |
| 01:46.12 | dionyziz | Gigantic, thanks for your help, I'm still looking :) I think I've found something online though... |
| 01:46.37 | jester45 | you should then be able to pick your mouse theme or drag and drop new ones in |
| 01:46.54 | jester45 | or i might be wrong... long time since ive used gnome |
| 01:46.59 | JordiGH | jester45: a wm is a component of a de. |
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| 01:47.20 | neonlightning | JordiGH, but a wm doesn't always have a de componant |
| 01:47.25 | s3a | jester45: i think ur using lenny cuz instead of system it says desktop and i cant find appearance (i saw that on my other comp that uses ubuntu) |
| 01:47.27 | neonlightning | JordiGH, example the wm i use fluxbox |
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| 01:47.40 | Cholito | what's the meaning of the last 2 numbers in fstab? |
| 01:47.42 | JordiGH | neonlightning: True. |
| 01:47.56 | JordiGH | Cholito: something about how often it has to be fscked. |
| 01:47.57 | Gigantic | Cholito: fsck settings |
| 01:48.05 | JordiGH | Or if it has to be fscked at all. |
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| 01:48.38 | Cholito | enough to google it for more ;) |
| 01:48.43 | Cholito | thanks guys |
| 01:49.07 | s3a | jester45: would u still no how to help me in etch? |
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| 01:49.36 | Gigantic | hahaha I have unknown host pinging google or yahoo but I'm still here |
| 01:49.51 | Gigantic | oops mt |
| 01:49.56 | jester45 | Gigantic, your dns might be down |
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| 01:50.53 | neonlightning | Gigantic, try using the good ol' verizon dns server 4.2.2.1-4.2.2.7 |
| 01:51.04 | neonlightning | *servers |
| 01:51.20 | jester45 | s3a, nope maybe right click the desktop and choose change background. that may have the theme options also. sorry i dont know more i just havent use gnome in a year or so |
| 01:51.40 | Gigantic | ty, was a miss-tell, telling a guy his dns didn't work :) |
| 01:51.45 | neonlightning | jester45, it doesn't i just went through this same thing there is a single file to edit |
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| 01:52.23 | shead | |ju_|: :} |
| 01:53.10 | ju_ | [shead]: :} |
| 01:53.22 | rpag | How do i install kde4 |
| 01:53.54 | neonlightning | s3a, i had to edit ~/.icons/default/index.theme |
| 01:53.57 | JordiGH | rpag: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 01:54.29 | s3a | neonlightning: is this an etch only thing i must go thru? does lenny make things easier? |
| 01:54.50 | neonlightning | s3a, i use lenny this is a xorg thing |
| 01:54.51 | rpag | JordiGH: Yes i been there but i dont see a tutorial... i dont know how to get experminetal pkgs |
| 01:55.04 | JordiGH | !experimental |
| 01:55.04 | dpkg | experimental is the bleeding edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit/DANGEROUS/untrustworthy/etc for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. For an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 01:55.33 | s3a | neonlightning: were do i put ~/.icons/default/index.theme ? |
| 01:55.44 | s3a | neonlightning: i mean how do i edit it? |
| 01:55.54 | simonrvn | ...with an editor |
| 01:55.57 | Gigantic | s3a: think it is a xml |
| 01:55.57 | neonlightning | ~/ == /home/username |
| 01:56.10 | simonrvn | it's not |
| 01:56.11 | JordiGH | rpag: You didn't search hard enough: http://pkg-kde.alioth.debian.org/experimental.html |
| 01:56.13 | jester45 | installes experimental |
| 01:56.13 | s3a | simonrvn: neonlightning: gedit dint work thats y im asking |
| 01:56.21 | neonlightning | yeaInherits=DMZ-Black |
| 01:56.24 | shead | Alguem fala Portugues? |
| 01:56.27 | neonlightning | you'll need to make it |
| 01:56.32 | simonrvn | !br |
| 01:56.32 | dpkg | Este canal é apenas em inglês. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 01:56.33 | rpag | JordiGH: Thanks a mil! |
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| 01:57.30 | Gigantic | s3a: remove the extension and the filemanager should detect what it is |
| 01:57.38 | neonlightning | s3a try Inherits=(words here) from a folder found in ls /usr/share/icons |
| 01:57.50 | neonlightning | i use DMZ-Black for my cursor |
| 01:57.51 | Gigantic | s3a: I bet it is a xml or a gz |
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| 01:58.30 | neonlightning | Gigantic, this is all i had to put in that file [Icon Theme] <linebreak> Inherits=DMZ-Black |
| 01:58.57 | s3a | neonlightning: Gigantic: im lost |
| 01:59.11 | neonlightning | lol one sec i'll pm you the whole command |
| 01:59.34 | Gigantic | sorry, |
| 01:59.40 | s3a | neonlightning: sry for being kinda stupid :( |
| 01:59.43 | simonrvn | it's just a fricking text file.. sheesh |
| 01:59.47 | neonlightning | yea |
| 02:00.36 | Gillpy | !tcsh |
| 02:00.36 | dpkg | somebody said tcsh was the Tennex C SHell. It has many advanced features not found in bash such as filetype and hostname based command line completion, and lots more. get some nice dotfiles for it from dotfiles.com and check it out!, or doesn't have the powerful sh's file descriptors redirection features |
| 02:00.53 | Gillpy | !csh |
| 02:00.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, csh is http://www.faqs.org/faqs/unix-faq/shell/csh-whynot/ or BSD's standard shell, and very useful, or perverse, or considered harmful |
| 02:01.13 | JordiGH | Huh? Isn't OpenBSD's standard shell ksh? |
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| 02:02.17 | zu22 | anyone know how to get apache to serve chinese content? no one in #apache knew, running apache 1.3 on lenny/sid |
| 02:02.39 | simonrvn | it said bsd, not very specific. |
| 02:02.55 | JordiGH | zu22: Are you just having issues with encoding? |
| 02:03.02 | \amethyst | old BSD |
| 02:03.03 | simonrvn | set encoding and charset |
| 02:03.16 | simonrvn | oh yeh, that could very well be, \amethyst |
| 02:04.01 | zu22 | JordiGH: the native page is set with correct coding, whenwnload with wget and try to serve on my webserver it renders as gibberish, i need to know how to tell apache to support GB encoding (or Big5) |
| 02:04.38 | simonrvn | zu22: look up the AddLanguage and SetLanguage and related stuff in the docs |
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| 02:04.59 | zu22 | simonrvn: yeah i actually found that in the docs but it doesn't tell me what specific file to edit lol, do you know? |
| 02:05.01 | simonrvn | oh meh, why not just utf-8/16 ? |
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| 02:05.24 | zu22 | simonrvn: ok i can edit the html and change the content type to utf and see if that renders, didnt think of that :) |
| 02:05.29 | simonrvn | vhost, .htaccess, main server conf .... it says so in the docs... |
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| 02:06.21 | zu22 | simonrvn: another problem i want to add php support but php4 and php5 both depend on apache2 packages, i cant run apache2 cause i get memory thread errors so i run 1.3 |
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| 02:07.02 | simonrvn | what? |
| 02:07.31 | zu22 | simonrvn: if i do 'apt-get install php4' it has tons of apache2-* dependencies |
| 02:07.47 | zu22 | simonrvn: but i can only run apache1.3 |
| 02:07.58 | simonrvn | yes, 1.3 is old. it's in maintenance mode. |
| 02:08.41 | zu22 | simonrvn: i have 200+MB free memory so apache2 should run but everytime i install it soon as it starts it immediately dies and error.log complains about threading memory errors so i am forced to use 1.3 |
| 02:09.31 | simonrvn | what machine is that? |
| 02:09.50 | zu22 | simonrvn: this is a VPS so maybe apache2 is trying to do something the VPS doesn't allow, it is quad core Xeon, my VPS has 256mb physical memory,30gb disk |
| 02:10.01 | zu22 | simronvn: running testing release |
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| 02:10.40 | snadge | hows the support for xen domU in 32bit sid at the moment? |
| 02:10.56 | snadge | i guess eventually im going to find out .. im debootstrapping it |
| 02:11.00 | simonrvn | that's likely... i haven't played with vps yet, so couldn't say for sure, but i'd look into that. |
| 02:11.04 | b0ef | ehlo |
| 02:11.10 | b0ef | is there a command that takes a "command name" and returns which packet this command is in? |
| 02:11.43 | simonrvn | !tell b0ef -about search |
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| 02:12.19 | zu22 | simonrvn: ok |
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| 02:13.20 | b0ef | simonrvn: thanks; I'll try those;) |
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| 02:13.57 | simonrvn | b0ef: i don't remember if that factoid includes dlocate, but that's useful too. |
| 02:14.58 | zu22 | simonrvn: i recall when i upgraded from etch some packages failed when trying to read /dev/mem so i think there is some VPS weirdness going on |
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| 02:15.35 | simonrvn | mm ok. you might need to play with that (/dev and /proc) |
| 02:15.36 | b0ef | simonrvn: apt-file search <command-name> is the one;), thanks |
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| 02:17.32 | Gigantic | wow, opera looks safer than firefox according to securnia |
| 02:18.06 | jelly-home | secunia? |
| 02:18.22 | b0ef | also, you have some resources on what to do if your package system is in an invalid state?; I'm running debian experiemental and tried to install emacs, which failed and now it bugs me everytime I install something. I tried apt-get --purge remove emacs, but it's failing; I know about some brute force method with removing the file from /var/lib/dpkg, but is there some other cleaner way? |
| 02:18.29 | JordiGH | Opera doesn't have adblock, does it? |
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| 02:18.45 | jelly-home | what is adblock? |
| 02:18.45 | b0ef | s/experiemental/experimental/ |
| 02:18.54 | JordiGH | b0ef: aptitude -f install? |
| 02:19.11 | b0ef | JordiGH: hmm, I'll try |
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| 02:19.29 | JordiGH | jelly-home: adblockplus.org It's the only way to browse anymore. Also check out element hiding helper, as some sites serve you alternate ads if they notice you're using adblock. |
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| 02:21.18 | b0ef | JordiGH: first need to install aptitude..;) |
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| 02:21.40 | JordiGH | b0ef: Are you on sarge or something? |
| 02:21.48 | JordiGH | b0ef: aptitude has been part of the base install since etch. |
| 02:22.19 | b0ef | JordiGH: I have no idea; I used a special script to install debian on the neo freerunner: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianOnFreeRunner |
| 02:23.17 | JordiGH | b0ef: Oy. Well, does apt-get -f install help? |
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| 02:23.49 | b0ef | JordiGH: apt-get is working to get aptitude now, so I'll try when it's finished |
| 02:24.34 | JordiGH | b0ef: So how is the freerunner? Is teh awesome? Or teh suck? |
| 02:24.49 | JordiGH | Or teh not there yet? |
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| 02:24.56 | mohadib | hello |
| 02:25.16 | mohadib | how can i tell what is making my server be in a wait state all the time |
| 02:25.27 | s3a | neonlightning: can u redo that pm thing? |
| 02:25.37 | b0ef | JordiGH: well, few things work, but I've verified that it's possible to work; getting phonecalls and sms and such;), so I know it'll be awesome at one point;) |
| 02:26.05 | JordiGH | wonders how can Emacs work on that thing. |
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| 02:26.30 | JordiGH | Shake-up, wiggle down, dial 911, and that's how you call the debugger. |
| 02:26.45 | b0ef | M-x 911 |
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| 02:27.13 | JordiGH | M-x praise-be-unto-emacs |
| 02:27.19 | JordiGH | (long since deprecated) |
| 02:29.12 | JordiGH | Does it have an accelerometer? |
| 02:29.40 | JordiGH | It does! Imagine what Emacs could do with it. |
| 02:29.54 | b0ef | aptitude working hard now;) |
| 02:31.00 | b0ef | hmm, damn; it installed it, but running emacs gives a segfault |
| 02:31.11 | screamingbytes | Is there a debugger for a mouse? |
| 02:31.12 | screamingbytes | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:31.14 | screamingbytes | l |
| 02:31.22 | b0ef | still tried to install it everytime I run apt-get upgrade |
| 02:31.42 | b0ef | it doesn't seem apt-get --purge remove emacs is able to uninstall it either |
| 02:31.47 | JordiGH | b0ef: Just stick to aptitude, ditch apt-get. |
| 02:31.49 | screamingbytes | meaning showing its x and y, and click coords |
| 02:31.52 | JordiGH | aptitude purge emacs. |
| 02:32.05 | b0ef | right |
| 02:32.19 | JordiGH | screamingbytes: There's xev. |
| 02:32.26 | screamingbytes | xdev? |
| 02:32.30 | JordiGH | xev |
| 02:32.33 | JordiGH | X events. |
| 02:32.51 | screamingbytes | how do you launch it, just xev? |
| 02:33.02 | JordiGH | tias |
| 02:33.26 | JordiGH | !tias |
| 02:33.26 | dpkg | [tias] try it and see, or what you should have done first |
| 02:33.41 | screamingbytes | i did lol |
| 02:33.59 | screamingbytes | i typed xev in root, and in user, hang on a sec im reading the man page |
| 02:34.21 | b0ef | JordiGH: hmm, no; still not able to remove it |
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| 02:34.30 | dbmoodb_ | ~apt-get |
| 02:34.31 | apt | hmm... apt-get is the best thing the world ever had it's highly addictive and much different than dselect, it's a womans desire, ribbed for her pleasure, a superb text-adventure for tarzeau, now with Super Cow Powers, the kdeinit of package managers, overrated and overused, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2002/debian-devel-200201/msg01699.html, or apt-get install synaptic for a gui client, or the shiznit, or see apt-cache, or ask me about ... |
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| 02:34.49 | dbmoodb_ | don't avoid it -- use what ever works |
| 02:35.19 | JordiGH | dbmoodb: It's not wise to mix aptitude and apt-get, though. They have different opinions. |
| 02:35.31 | JordiGH | overrated and overused. |
| 02:35.41 | b0ef | they both agree not to uninstall emacs, though;) |
| 02:35.52 | Gigantic | :) Securnia gives that Opera and Firefox has currently 0 security holes while Safari and Konqueror has 2 and IE has 10 :P |
| 02:35.57 | neonlightning | i only use synaptic and apt-get |
| 02:36.22 | b0ef | isn't there a aptitude remove-for-real-no-joke emacs?;) |
| 02:36.24 | JordiGH | b0ef: Okay, can you post a log of why aptitude won't uninstall emacs? |
| 02:36.40 | JordiGH | b0ef: I thought aptitude would bring you to a conflict resolution query. |
| 02:36.53 | b0ef | right, hold on |
| 02:37.25 | screamingbytes | lol |
| 02:37.26 | screamingbytes | kk |
| 02:37.51 | JordiGH | Wow. This is kinda sad. Ubuntu's page is more lively than Debian's today. |
| 02:38.13 | screamingbytes | so i did xev, user mode, it works fine on 3 machines, the machine im debugging, it starts, fills the console window, the just stops putting data to the console, i.e. its no longer receiving data from the mouse |
| 02:38.29 | screamingbytes | but the mouse is moving around |
| 02:38.52 | JordiGH | screamingbytes: Did you move it over the window? |
| 02:38.54 | Seb | what's the easiest to find the resolution of a running X session if all you can do is vnc into it ? |
| 02:38.58 | screamingbytes | yes |
| 02:39.06 | screamingbytes | the little white window, definately |
| 02:39.12 | screamingbytes | and all over the place |
| 02:39.33 | Seb | screamingbytes: do you have gpm running ? |
| 02:39.40 | JordiGH | screamingbytes: Does /var/log/Xorg.0.log have any clues? |
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| 02:39.58 | screamingbytes | Seb: yes |
| 02:40.01 | b0ef | JordiGH: http://www.esben-stien.name/purge.log |
| 02:40.09 | screamingbytes | JordiGH: no :( |
| 02:40.14 | Seb | screamingbytes: stop it and try again (maybe restart x after stopping it) |
| 02:40.39 | screamingbytes | ive been working this issue for about 5 days or so, but id be happy to try again |
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| 02:41.07 | dbmoodb_ | why do you want to remove emacs anyway ? |
| 02:41.17 | b0ef | dbmoodb_: because it doesn't want to install |
| 02:41.45 | JordiGH | b0ef: It's a dpkg issue. Kinda cryptic too. I guess you could try forcing... |
| 02:41.54 | JordiGH | b0ef: But what does dpkg -r emacs22 do? |
| 02:43.02 | b0ef | JordiGH: hehe, that removed it;) |
| 02:43.59 | b0ef | JordiGH: I guess I should wait a couple of days, then try to install emacs again and if it doesn't work, then report it, cause the packager must have noticed it, I guess |
| 02:44.11 | JordiGH | b0ef: Which version of Emacs was it? |
| 02:44.20 | [Luc1fer] | lol how many people come in here a week asking stuff about #ubuntu for you guys to put the fact that this isn't #ubuntu in the topic? |
| 02:44.21 | Seb | so, no one on figuring the resolution of a running X session ? |
| 02:44.31 | JordiGH | [Luc1fer]: Many. |
| 02:44.35 | b0ef | I just tried apt-get install emacs, so I guess that would be emacs22 |
| 02:44.39 | dmoerner | [Luc1fer], you weren't here when the guy asked "what's the debian equivalent of apt-get" |
| 02:44.39 | Seb | s/many/too many/ |
| 02:45.05 | JordiGH | b0ef: Seriously, how are you gonna use Emacs on that thing anyways? Does it even have a keyboard? |
| 02:45.22 | b0ef | JordiGH: yes, got a dinovo mini bluetooth keyboard;) |
| 02:46.13 | neonlightning | seb can't you open a terminal in the vnc and just run xrandr |
| 02:46.29 | Seb | neonlightning: aaah, xrandr |
| 02:46.37 | Seb | neonlightning: that's what i was searching for, thanks a lot |
| 02:46.48 | neonlightning | same way you'ed do it if you wern't in a vnc |
| 02:46.57 | [Luc1fer] | dmoerner, your kidding me right? lol |
| 02:46.58 | JordiGH | wonders if that ThinkGeek laser keyboard is any good. |
| 02:47.11 | Seb | neonlightning: i just couldn't remember the name of the damn binary :) |
| 02:47.12 | dmoerner | [Luc1fer], i wish i was... |
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| 02:47.25 | neonlightning | JordiGH, only two keyboards i want "maximus optimus" and "plum readonthis" |
| 02:47.42 | b0ef | JordiGH: I wouldn't recommed the dinovo, though; it's not that rugged and it misses the right ctrl key |
| 02:47.48 | JordiGH | !! |
| 02:47.48 | dpkg | I'm not your csh prompt! |
| 02:47.51 | JordiGH | No right ctrl key. |
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| 02:47.55 | JordiGH | That's a dealbreaker. |
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| 02:48.01 | b0ef | yeah, totally |
| 02:48.03 | JordiGH | It *must* have both ctrl keys, both shift keys. |
| 02:48.11 | b0ef | tell me about it;) |
| 02:48.18 | JordiGH | Is there any other key you could xmodmap to it? |
| 02:48.35 | neonlightning | i just really wanna try using a plum keyboard for a month or so atleast |
| 02:48.55 | screamingbytes | Seb, JordiGH: same results after resarting X and the machine and using X no activity |
| 02:49.02 | b0ef | JordiGH: no |
| 02:49.24 | Gigantic | wonders if keytouch would help |
| 02:49.29 | Seb | screamingbytes: the point was to stop gpm, right ? |
| 02:49.42 | neonlightning | is there a way i can get apt-get to use less bandwidth? i'm on a 30kb/s capped connection and so when apt-get is downloading i can't even use irc half the time |
| 02:49.45 | JordiGH | neonlightning: Hm, looks interesting. Plum that is. I don't think I'd care for the other keyboard. |
| 02:49.57 | b0ef | JordiGH: well, yes, I could ditch the enter key |
| 02:50.04 | JordiGH | b0ef: C-j ! |
| 02:50.05 | Seb | neonlightning: get something that does QoS |
| 02:50.07 | b0ef | JordiGH: real men use C-j |
| 02:50.07 | b0ef | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.07 | neonlightning | JordiGH, yea the apps for the optimus arn't in linux format yet |
| 02:50.26 | dmoerner | neonlightning, yes there is. one sec let me find it |
| 02:50.30 | b0ef | fsck; didn't work in erc;) |
| 02:50.59 | b0ef | I'm used to C-h instead of backspace, so I'll work on that C-j thing;) |
| 02:51.11 | JordiGH | used C-d instead of Del. |
| 02:51.14 | JordiGH | uses |
| 02:51.20 | Seb | JordiGH: damn right |
| 02:51.22 | b0ef | oh, yes, indeed |
| 02:51.40 | b0ef | I don't even know where del is on my keyboard;) |
| 02:52.01 | JordiGH | On my laptop, it's aaaall the way up to the top right. Far away from homerow. |
| 02:52.03 | snadge | cool.. xen domU works sweet in latest sid ;) |
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| 02:52.17 | Seb | C-f, C-b & C-n, C-p |
| 02:52.21 | Seb | emacs-style |
| 02:52.22 | Seb | heh |
| 02:52.22 | snadge | nice to see xen is finally with the times.. an officialy 2.6.26 kernel :) |
| 02:52.42 | b0ef | what's a phone without emacs!?!?;) |
| 02:52.50 | Seb | never fucking touches the arrow keys, ever |
| 02:53.05 | JordiGH | Seb: Yeah, I get weirded out when apps don't support those keychords. It's really uncomfortable to edit anything subsantial in an Iceweasel textbox, for instance. Conkeror was nice, but it had a few uncomfortable things, iirc. |
| 02:53.14 | b0ef | right, I tried to get one without, but was impossible, so I use them sometimes |
| 02:53.23 | Seb | JordiGH: you do know about ~/.inputrc, right ? |
| 02:53.35 | JordiGH | Seb: No, what's that? |
| 02:53.45 | Seb | JordiGH: and I assume you do know about firemacs too :> |
| 02:53.51 | JordiGH | No! |
| 02:53.53 | dmoerner | neonlightning, just ignore the source for now: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=20342 |
| 02:54.06 | Seb | JordiGH: heheh |
| 02:54.11 | Seb | JordiGH: you're gonna love me, then :) |
| 02:54.13 | Seb | JordiGH: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_readline |
| 02:54.22 | Seb | JordiGH: https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/4141 |
| 02:54.35 | JordiGH | OMG OMG OMG |
| 02:54.49 | Seb | JordiGH: the 1st one is about how you can set the keybindings you want with anything using GNUreadline, that is, a *lot* of apps |
| 02:54.56 | Seb | JordiGH: the 2nd, you can figure out for yourself :) |
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| 02:55.20 | Seb | s/with anything/for anything/, just by editing that ~/.inputrc |
| 02:55.29 | JordiGH | Seb: While we're on this topic, do you know how to remap keys in the ttys? |
| 02:55.39 | Seb | JordiGH: oh yeah |
| 02:55.43 | PeterFA | Seb, I love you. |
| 02:56.34 | Seb | hah |
| 02:56.55 | b0ef | another good one is numbered links;) |
| 02:57.08 | Seb | JordiGH, PeterFA: http://pastie.org/254367 |
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| 02:57.48 | Seb | JordiGH, PeterFA: as a disclaimer, that's for zsh, not sure if bash handles that type of tests |
| 02:58.18 | JordiGH | Seb: I thought you had to mess with /etc/console |
| 02:58.22 | Seb | JordiGH: and that comment about switching capslock and leftcontrol is a tad old, it does a couple other things too now |
| 02:58.31 | Seb | JordiGH: nah, but afaik you need root access |
| 02:58.32 | ilembitov | Hi, all. I have a question. After Lenny is released, when will testing begin accepting new packages again? |
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| 02:58.42 | binjured | ugh... massively annoying issue with ssmtp: it always says authentication failed even though i am positive the username/password are correct; this is if i use UseSTARTTLS=YES, if i only have UseTLS=YES then it simply tells me it can't open the smtp server. I use this smtp server every single day from multiple computers, but ssmtp refuses to work with it. |
| 02:58.56 | Seb | JordiGH: I highly value the ability to have all my settings in my zsh config files, which I store in svn so i can check them out anywhere |
| 02:58.59 | JordiGH | I actually like capslock where it is. I have to swap the menu key and the right ctrl key. |
| 02:59.06 | Seb | as opposed to having to edit system-wide config files |
| 02:59.15 | b0ef | JordiGH: the wifi antenna seems a little wack, though; I get 8 WAPs' on my aspire one and 2 WAPs' on my freerunner |
| 02:59.16 | Seb | JordiGH: back off, heathen :> |
| 02:59.18 | JordiGH | Seb: That does have its high points. |
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| 02:59.59 | Seb | JordiGH: anyway, that .zsh.console (what I pasted) should get you going for whatever mappings you want |
| 03:00.24 | dmoerner | b0ef, you sure like small computers ;) |
| 03:01.13 | b0ef | dmoerner: hehe, nice to have in your pocket;) |
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| 03:02.20 | JordiGH | wtf? Firemacs doesn't seem to be working.... :-( |
| 03:02.21 | b0ef | my last laptop was a 286, so I'm pretty new with the ultra portable life style;) |
| 03:02.51 | JordiGH | has already disabled keyconfig, which probably conflicted. |
| 03:03.00 | dmoerner | b0ef, that is a bit of an upgrade...my 12" thinkpad is as big and small as i'd be willing to go. with enough virtual desktops it gives me plenty of room to work |
| 03:03.40 | b0ef | and my last phone is from 2001.. |
| 03:03.49 | b0ef | just retiring it;) |
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| 03:04.05 | JordiGH | I'm actually kinda uncomfortable with having a cellphone. I'm thinking of getting rid of mine altogether. |
| 03:05.35 | Lewoco | Apparently the sources.list line for non-US stuff is "deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free". Why did they put the stable pool stuff in "stable/non-US" instead of just "stable"? Isn't it already obvious from the server+directory combo that I'm after the non-US stuff? |
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| 03:06.19 | JordiGH | Lewoco: Huh? Are you on sarge? There isn't any non-us anymore. |
| 03:06.29 | miksuh | JordiGH: weird, why? |
| 03:06.38 | Seb | JordiGH: there ain't any on sarge either |
| 03:07.10 | miksuh | I did get my first Nokian phone 1995 or something like that and I could not live whitout ohone anymore |
| 03:07.15 | miksuh | Nokia |
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| 03:07.19 | JordiGH | miksuh: I'm a luddite, I guess. Also, maybe I don't want to be reached or found, and I pine for the old days that if you had to say something to me, you called my home and left a message with whomever who picked up the phone, if anyone at all. |
| 03:07.39 | DogBoy | yea me too |
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| 03:07.51 | DogBoy | or even someone left a message for you at the bar in your neighborhood |
| 03:07.52 | miksuh | JordiGH: well here almost noone has wired anymore at home |
| 03:08.00 | miksuh | wired phone |
| 03:08.05 | screamingbytes | Seb: I thought you wanted me to stop xev |
| 03:08.08 | miksuh | traditional phone |
| 03:08.14 | JordiGH | miksuh: Where? |
| 03:08.19 | screamingbytes | Seb: i can stop gpm or whatever, it is in X |
| 03:08.19 | miksuh | finland |
| 03:08.20 | nukefag | anyone know which package i need 'makeobj'? |
| 03:08.24 | JordiGH | miksuh: Figures. |
| 03:08.42 | nukefag | for makeobj* |
| 03:08.43 | JordiGH | wonders why such a disproportionate amount of Finns are online. |
| 03:08.49 | Lewoco | JordiGH, I'm on the current stable afaik. I'm trying to get some packages and aptitude refuses to download them and keeps giving me messages about security and non-US so I figured I needed to use a server with a non-US pool. |
| 03:08.50 | dmoerner | nukefag, do you want the game? |
| 03:09.03 | nukefag | no, i want just know the package name |
| 03:09.04 | dmoerner | there is no other package with that |
| 03:09.16 | JordiGH | Lewoco: What messages, what stable, what's your /etc/apt/sources.list looking like right now? |
| 03:09.19 | dmoerner | nukefag, i lied. kdesdk-scripts |
| 03:09.22 | dmoerner | !search |
| 03:09.22 | dpkg | Please search for things rather than just asking: 'apt-cache search regex'. Find which package owns a file: 'dpkg -S /bin/foo' or 'aptitude install apt-file; apt-file update; apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org/ or '/msg dpkg find filename' if you're already here. '/msg dpkg listkeys <thing>' to find factoids containing <thing>. See http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 03:09.33 | nukefag | i want build inspircd |
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| 03:09.41 | Seb | screamingbytes: i asked if you had gpm running, you said yes, and I then asked if stopping it (and potentially restarting x) changed anything to your problem |
| 03:09.48 | nukefag | and make telling makeobj command not found ;s |
| 03:10.13 | screamingbytes | Seb: kk ill try that now, i thought you meant xev and X |
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| 03:11.01 | JordiGH | Seb: Ack, I think Firemacs checks the wrong part of the useragent string. And currently my useragent string returns the Firesomething thing. |
| 03:11.12 | Seb | nukefag: either ask dpkg (the bot in this channel), or apt-get install apt-file, and then use apt-file |
| 03:11.25 | Seb | JordiGH: eh ? |
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| 03:11.51 | screamingbytes | Seb: I just checked, i don't have any module (lsmod) loaded for gpm |
| 03:11.56 | JordiGH | Seb: Just a wild guess. Firemacs isn't doing anything for me, and I'm guessing it's because it doesn't like my useragent string (currently "Debian Lightningchicken") |
| 03:12.06 | Seb | JordiGH: do firefox extensions really care about UserAgent ? I mean, they're firefox extensions... |
| 03:12.09 | Seb | JordiGH: not sure :) |
| 03:12.17 | Seb | screamingbytes: it's a daemon, not a module |
| 03:12.17 | JordiGH | Seb: Well, let's see... |
| 03:12.20 | Lewoco | JordiGH, messages at http://rafb.net/p/RqQRJr18.html and http://rafb.net/p/FazvWo80.html. /etc/apt/sources.list at http://rafb.net/p/hJFoSG81.html. I don't know what you mean by 'what stable'. |
| 03:12.26 | JordiGH | Seb: It might be a bug with the way Firemacs is done. |
| 03:12.33 | JordiGH | restarts Lightningchicken |
| 03:12.35 | screamingbytes | Seb: kk brother 1 sec |
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| 03:12.52 | Seb | JordiGH: could be, have you tried prefixing whatever binding with Ctrl-x (which is the default) |
| 03:12.55 | Seb | ? |
| 03:13.24 | nukefag | dmoerner: thanks, now its works fine. |
| 03:13.27 | Seb | JordiGH: in my case, C-x C-w closes a tab, for example |
| 03:13.30 | dmoerner | !tell Lewoco -about non-US |
| 03:13.48 | nukefag | for me its PL_pl |
| 03:13.48 | nukefag | ;} |
| 03:13.49 | dmoerner | Lewoco, just remove stable-non-us entirely unless you run woody, which is impossible with that set of deb lines |
| 03:14.28 | JordiGH | Seb: Nothing! :-( |
| 03:14.35 | Seb | dang |
| 03:14.36 | Lewoco | dmoerner, Ok, but how do I resolve the errors? |
| 03:14.47 | dmoerner | Lewoco, try removing non-US and then apt-get update and then try again |
| 03:14.49 | Seb | JordiGH: it fucked up for me with .32 and .33 I think, but .34 is doing good |
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| 03:16.10 | JordiGH | Ah! There it is! |
| 03:16.12 | Gigantic | < runs Hamm :) |
| 03:16.26 | JordiGH | thinks it doesn't like the Firesomething rebranding. |
| 03:16.29 | Seb | JordiGH: so what was it ? |
| 03:16.32 | JordiGH | How do you open a new tab? |
| 03:16.42 | Seb | JordiGH: C-x C-t ? |
| 03:16.54 | Seb | JordiGH: note how opening the firemacs preferences will tell you all that |
| 03:16.56 | Seb | :> |
| 03:17.05 | JordiGH | Seb: I told Firesomething to not change my useragent string. I think that's the bug. |
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| 03:17.27 | Seb | JordiGH: most of the usual shortcuts still work if you prefix them with C-x, but you can change every single one of them |
| 03:17.30 | Seb | anyway |
| 03:17.37 | Seb | time for quiche & beer now :) |
| 03:17.44 | Seb | talk to y'all later ! |
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| 03:19.50 | Lewoco | dmoerner, The update failed: http://rafb.net/p/vjnOwh13.html |
| 03:20.10 | Gigantic | quiche!? yumi! |
| 03:20.27 | dmoerner | Lewoco, why are you updating from localhost? |
| 03:20.35 | dmoerner | maybe i should have asked that first |
| 03:20.37 | Lewoco | dmoerner, apt-cacher |
| 03:21.17 | Lewoco | dmoerner, Should I try bypassing apt-cacher for now? |
| 03:21.21 | Gigantic | nite |
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| 03:21.31 | dmoerner | Lewoco, yeah you should try that probably. right now these error messages make no sense |
| 03:21.53 | dmoerner | you can also try temporarily removing the file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d that has the neverautoremove line |
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| 03:24.51 | JordiGH | Seb: I found the problem in Firemacs. It *does* check the useragent string. It's in chrome/content/init.js |
| 03:25.02 | JordiGH | firemacs/chrome/content/init.js |
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| 03:47.34 | analyser | hi guys, anybody had problems with hal+gsm modems? |
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| 03:50.00 | lockdownd | Hi there |
| 03:50.13 | analyser | hi |
| 03:50.21 | lockdownd | I'm creating a little repo, which is running already. |
| 03:50.34 | lockdownd | But I need only a little help with it |
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| 03:51.13 | lockdownd | I have a package, and I need to run a script after it installs. But I can;t figure how to do that |
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| 03:52.50 | analyser | lockdownd: after the commands you're using to install use && plus the second commando |
| 03:52.56 | lockdownd | Can anyone point me to the right direction? |
| 03:52.57 | analyser | command1 && command2 |
| 03:53.30 | analyser | but, the command2 will only run if the command1 run without problems :) |
| 03:53.46 | lockdownd | I see |
| 03:53.54 | lockdownd | here my problem comes in |
| 03:54.03 | lockdownd | Can I pvt you? |
| 03:54.09 | analyser | lockdownd: sure you can |
| 03:54.14 | lockdownd | ;) |
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| 04:13.16 | martman | is there a overview of whats on all of the 21 install cds somewhere? |
| 04:13.27 | martman | i cant seem to find one for some reason |
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| 04:18.06 | pickcoder | martman: http://www.debian.org/CD/faq/#list-image-contents |
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| 04:38.00 | Vooloo | has anyone gotten tv-out to work? can you see your computer screen at the same time? |
| 04:39.30 | DogBoy | of course |
| 04:39.40 | DogBoy | what kind of video card |
| 04:40.21 | Vooloo | Intel Graphics Media Accelerator X3100 |
| 04:40.39 | Vooloo | Dell Inspiron 1525 |
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| 04:42.25 | screamingbytes | well all im fed up with this |
| 04:42.52 | screamingbytes | i can't figure it out, and i think after 6+ days its permanently f-ed up, im gonna re-install |
| 04:43.47 | screamingbytes | im sure some guru on here can fix it in a sec, but that aint me :) |
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| 04:44.48 | tarwatirno | screamingbytes: what is the problem? |
| 04:45.08 | screamingbytes | thanks for all of your iput, i really appreciate it |
| 04:45.18 | screamingbytes | tarwatirno: its a mouse issue |
| 04:45.30 | tarwatirno | ah |
| 04:45.49 | screamingbytes | tarwatirno: i have a mouse, it works perfectly on 3 other machines, hte machine im having issues with has worked ofr over a year |
| 04:46.45 | tarwatirno | hmm |
| 04:46.47 | screamingbytes | tarwatirno: i tried to install a package (hotplug) from etch, and it removed my kernel, i revocered my kernel, grub, / boot etc... but my mouse hasn't worked since. I can see the mouse icon moving, but no click events |
| 04:46.57 | pickcoder | --hotplug |
| 04:47.10 | screamingbytes | yes i know its outdated |
| 04:47.12 | simonrvn | hotplug is deprecated... abrotman told you that already |
| 04:47.16 | screamingbytes | but udev wasn't working |
| 04:47.24 | pickcoder | screamingbytes: did you have the kernel meta package installed? |
| 04:47.32 | pickcoder | or just the 2.6.XX package |
| 04:47.34 | screamingbytes | simonrvn: he's told me 2 times. after the fact |
| 04:47.38 | simonrvn | and? you install hotplug to break it even more? |
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| 04:48.15 | screamingbytes | simonrvn: no all was perfect, i couldn't get usb hdd's to work, i installed hotplug, and it deleted my /boot dir' |
| 04:48.30 | screamingbytes | simonrvn: ive been recovering since then |
| 04:48.37 | screamingbytes | and yes its been days |
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| 04:49.02 | screamingbytes | yes it was 2.6.18-6-686 |
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| 04:49.07 | screamingbytes | etch |
| 04:49.55 | pickcoder | so you didn't have linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 04:50.04 | pickcoder | just the specific kernel package |
| 04:50.34 | screamingbytes | I installed etch, at 2.6.1x-6-686 and upgraded to 2.6.18-6-686 |
| 04:50.45 | screamingbytes | it worked for a few months post that install |
| 04:51.07 | pickcoder | the only, I can think of, that hotplug would have removed everything would be if the meta package wasn't there |
| 04:51.12 | pickcoder | ~only way |
| 04:51.21 | pickcoder | that happened to me before |
| 04:51.32 | screamingbytes | then it must have not been there. |
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| 04:51.41 | Mitchell | Happy birthday |
| 04:51.56 | screamingbytes | during the hotplug install i got a warning "this will remove your kernel', i said no, it did it anyway |
| 04:52.03 | screamingbytes | from then on ive had issues |
| 04:52.09 | pickcoder | screamingbytes: dpkg -l | grep linux-image |
| 04:52.12 | pickcoder | see if it's there |
| 04:52.15 | pickcoder | if it's not install it |
| 04:52.27 | screamingbytes | pickcoder: kk 1 sec |
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| 04:52.44 | pickcoder | screamingbytes: I know the feeling.. I had a Sarge box get toasted due to meta packages |
| 04:53.32 | Obligatory | Any favorite proggies/methods for syncing '.srt' subtitles with a DVD image? |
| 04:53.45 | Obligatory | Debian proggies that is... |
| 04:54.58 | DogBoy | syncing? |
| 04:55.42 | Obligatory | DogBoy, like when the titles are out of sync with the dialog. |
| 04:56.12 | DogBoy | better #mplayer question |
| 04:56.24 | Supaplex | is there a linux networking pppoe client that supports mlppp? |
| 04:57.07 | Obligatory | DogBoy, I'd like to stick with Debian utils if at all possible. #mplayer is not necessarily Debian. |
| 04:57.47 | DogBoy | yea well, I know the answer but it's too involved and not really debian related |
| 04:58.13 | Nemoder | there is 'dvdauthor' but I don't know if it reads .srt |
| 04:58.26 | DogBoy | heh |
| 04:58.44 | DogBoy | what is a "debian app" anyway |
| 04:59.10 | Obligatory | DogBoy, one that has a Debian package so I don't go to dependency hell. |
| 04:59.38 | DogBoy | well good luck with your quest |
| 05:00.07 | Obligatory | "quest"-ion, more like. |
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| 05:01.19 | Nemoder | !dm |
| 05:01.19 | dpkg | DM means Display Manager, the app that brings up a graphical login screen and starts your login session. <xdm>, <gdm>, <kdm>, <wdm>, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about <nodm> if you want to disable the DM. or Debian Maintainer: http://wiki.debian.org/Maintainers |
| 05:01.32 | Nemoder | !debian-multimedia |
| 05:01.32 | dpkg | it has been said that dmm is Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For information on how to use this repository, see . http://debian-multimedia.org/ or ask me about <debian-multimedia.etch> |
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| 05:02.16 | zythmer | Obligatory: I haven't used subtitles with mplayer before, but according to the man page, mplayer supports 12 subtitle formats including subviewer (srt). #mplayer may be best. |
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| 05:02.47 | zack23 | To get MRTG running under Debian, must I have SNMP running on my box? |
| 05:02.54 | screamingbytes | pickcoder: yea its there |
| 05:03.00 | screamingbytes | rc ........ |
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| 05:03.50 | screamingbytes | pickcoder: rc 2.6.18-6-686 ... other stuff |
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| 05:05.35 | pickcoder | screamingbytes: I dunno then |
| 05:05.54 | pickcoder | heads to bed |
| 05:06.16 | Obligatory | zythmer, thanks. As it happens I've been using 'mplayer' to view subtitles all along. The viewer isn't the problem, it's that the subtitle files I find online are slightly out of sync (or become so gradually) with the movie. Mplayer has 'x' & 'z' keys for incremental tweaking, but it's no good doing that often. |
| 05:06.24 | simonrvn | zack23: not essential, but for some stuff it's handy |
| 05:07.15 | zack23 | simonrvn: I can't seem to get mrtg running - is there some place I can read on how to configure it? It's not looking at a router, but on my loclbox... I put the ip of my box and mrtg says it cannot get information |
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| 05:07.50 | simonrvn | it's looking for the snmpd. snmpd runs on localhost by default in debian. |
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| 05:08.24 | DogBoy | Obligatory, so what's the problem with asking about it in #mplayer |
| 05:09.15 | zack23 | simonrvn: ahh perfect, thank you.... |
| 05:09.33 | Obligatory | DogBoy, because it's got nothing in particular to do with 'mplayer', the viewer is working fine. |
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| 05:10.05 | DogBoy | if you know what the answer is and what it has to do with then why the question |
| 05:10.49 | Obligatory | Who said I knew what the answer is? |
| 05:11.18 | DogBoy | <Obligatory> DogBoy, because it's got nothing in particular to do with 'mplayer'... |
| 05:11.37 | DogBoy | I just told you it did and suggested you join there and ask |
| 05:12.28 | DogBoy | in fact, I been sitting there waiting to discuss it with you |
| 05:12.43 | zythmer | Obligatory: Oh ok. In that case, ksubtile looks appropriate. It says it's for editing srt files and can use mplayer to help you sync and edit it. |
| 05:13.06 | DogBoy | heh |
| 05:14.37 | Obligatory | DogBoy, sorry for the misunderstanding. It's just I know what the answer isn't, which is the viewer. Rather the problem is to modify or convert a particular data file, so it's in sync with another data file. I dunno, does 'mplayer' have some autosync function I'm not aware of, it does have many features... |
| 05:14.56 | DogBoy | Obligatory, I do it as a matter of routine |
| 05:15.09 | Obligatory | zythmer, have you tried 'ksubtitle'? |
| 05:15.13 | DogBoy | I watch a lot of subtitled movies |
| 05:15.20 | DogBoy | and I know exactly how to do it |
| 05:15.26 | DogBoy | whatever, you go |
| 05:15.32 | hoxu | 15 years of Debian [ http://technocrat.net/d/2008/8/16/47811 ] |
| 05:15.53 | Obligatory | DogBoy, tnx, well then, I'm on my way to #mplayer... |
| 05:17.21 | jester45 | ive bridge my eth1 to a virtualbox vm and set the host ssh port to 25 then restarted ssh but when i try to ssh into the bridged ip address it goes to the host |
| 05:17.27 | jester45 | any ideas how to stop this |
| 05:20.21 | Supaplex | you need some COMMAS and PERIODS. |
| 05:21.25 | jester45 | will you help me if i put them in? |
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| 05:22.02 | Supaplex | possibly, but don't expect full entitlement. |
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| 05:23.28 | jester45 | I have bridged my eth1 to a virtualbox vm and set the host ssh port to 25, then I restarted ssh but, when I try to ssh into the guest address it goes to the host. |
| 05:23.39 | jester45 | That any better? |
| 05:23.44 | Supaplex | yeah. |
| 05:24.03 | hoxu | !lart Supaplex |
| 05:24.04 | dpkg | takes a big bite out of Supaplex's jugular vein |
| 05:24.04 | jester45 | Any ideas how to fix this? |
| 05:24.11 | Supaplex | does the guest address exist on the host? |
| 05:24.21 | jester45 | yes and i can ping it |
| 05:24.44 | Supaplex | if it's on the host and the guest, that's an ip conflict. |
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| 05:25.20 | php6th | hi, ive setup a br0 bridge and i get disconected every 10 minutes now, whats going on? |
| 05:25.43 | jester45 | so host=192.168.0.254 guest(br0)=192.168.0.233 insideguest=192.168.0.x |
| 05:25.55 | hoxu | php6th, show us the bridge config |
| 05:26.41 | php6th | sure 1 sec |
| 05:27.28 | php6th | http://virtual.codebin.ca/1175449 |
| 05:27.28 | Supaplex | jester45: seems a little strange. do the virtual box folks have any ideas? |
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| 05:27.55 | hoxu | jester45, are you sure the ping reply came from the VM? |
| 05:28.27 | Supaplex | traceroute ftw. |
| 05:28.52 | php6th | hoxu: http://virtual.codebin.ca/1175449 , the bridge is for virtualbox |
| 05:30.00 | hoxu | virtual.codebin.ca not working here |
| 05:30.01 | hoxu | !paste |
| 05:30.02 | dpkg | Do not paste more than 3 lines to this channel. Instead, use: http://channels.debian.net/paste/ or http://rafb.net/paste/ or http://picpaste.com for pics. Remember to tell us the URL of your paste! |
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| 05:30.48 | php6th | hoxu: http://paste.debian.net/14958/ , the bridge is for virtualbox |
| 05:30.49 | Supaplex | hoxu: it's ip6 too. does your ip6 connectiivty work? |
| 05:31.11 | hoxu | jester45, you have the VM in the same bridge br0 as the host public interface right? |
| 05:31.16 | hoxu | Supaplex, good point, apparently not ;) |
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| 05:31.35 | jester45 | uummm yes |
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| 05:32.36 | jester45 | ok i set eth0 to 0.0.0.0 because a guide said so but i can ping the br0 address but ssh still logins in to the host |
| 05:33.16 | hoxu | jester45, I don't understand the IPs you listed earlier then, you should only need one for host and another for the guest |
| 05:33.16 | jester45 | the thing that is getting me is that the host's ssh server is running on :25 but the ssh client is connecting to :23 |
| 05:33.40 | hoxu | at least afaik... maybe I haven't a clue ;) |
| 05:33.51 | php6th | help? |
| 05:34.01 | hoxu | php6th, be patient :) |
| 05:34.21 | jester45 | hoxu, i will pastebin my ifconfig and /etc/network/interfaces file |
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| 05:35.20 | azta | pastie: donde estás? |
| 05:35.21 | hoxu | php6th, are you sure you are getting disconnected because of the bridge? |
| 05:35.38 | hoxu | !debian-es |
| 05:35.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 05:35.53 | jester45 | hoxu, http://paste.uni.cc/19256 ifconfig is first |
| 05:36.26 | jester45 | and i keep saying eth0 but i ment eth1 |
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| 05:36.34 | azta | hoxu: but pastie is spanish |
| 05:36.36 | jester45 | im just to used to using eth0 |
| 05:36.46 | zu22 | dammit when does the archives on http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/ update? it hasn't updated in almost 8 hours! |
| 05:36.48 | azta | I don't speak spanish normally ofc |
| 05:36.56 | php6th | hoxu, another question, how do you i add a second bridge for another virtualmachine? |
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| 05:37.26 | hoxu | I'm getting confused with two people having different problems with bridges ;) |
| 05:37.32 | jester45 | lol |
| 05:37.37 | hoxu | php6th, you would want to add the second guest interface to the same bridge instead of a new bridge |
| 05:37.58 | php6th | Hoxu bridge to virtualbox is easy, it works, just i want to setup a second bridge |
| 05:38.13 | jester45 | that means someone should make a super easy for noobs bridge tool |
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| 05:38.27 | php6th | hoxu second interface, how to do that? |
| 05:38.30 | teratoma | i can never make my bridge persistent |
| 05:38.31 | zu22 | my VPS has interface venet0 , anyone know how i can use eth stats programs which expect eth0? |
| 05:38.35 | teratoma | as in survive a reboot of the VM |
| 05:38.51 | teratoma | and my machine is far far away, so if i screw it up, i am screwed |
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| 05:39.14 | zu22 | i guess venet0 is for a virtual interface since this is a VPS |
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| 05:39.28 | azta | zu22: tell them to use venet0? (or get a different stats program) |
| 05:40.00 | php6th | i followed this ,works perfectly for bridging !!! http://samiux.wordpress.com/2008/07/30/bridging-virtualbox-162-on-ubuntu-8041/ |
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| 05:40.32 | azta | zu22: even tcpdump has a -i |
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| 05:40.56 | jester45 | hoxu, want to work on my problem now? |
| 05:41.08 | php6th | hoxu: auto br0 |
| 05:41.08 | php6th | iface br0 inet dhcp |
| 05:41.08 | php6th | iface br1 inet dhcp |
| 05:41.08 | zu22 | azta: ok, i guess for programs hard coded to use eth0 i am stuck and can't use em |
| 05:41.09 | php6th | ?? |
| 05:41.40 | php6th | lol, who hardcodes to use 'only' eth0 ? |
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| 05:42.21 | azta | a lot of apps do I bet |
| 05:42.27 | zu22 | php6th: i saw this eth status prog that did lol |
| 05:42.36 | azta | lots hardcode /dev/dsp0, too |
| 05:42.37 | zu22 | azta: yeah lazy coders |
| 05:42.42 | azta | nod |
| 05:43.16 | php6th | lol... i bet they are perl... that prehistoric lang |
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| 05:43.54 | php6th | Help so, how to add a second interface to my bridge? i want to setup another virtual machine |
| 05:44.06 | azta | I don't speak badly about female drivers, or perl |
| 05:44.27 | hoxu | jester45, you have assigned address for both br0 and eth1; afaik, you shouldn't do that, you can leave eth1 away as it will become part of the bridge. Also, you have both "allow-hotplug eth1" and "auto eth1" |
| 05:44.58 | hoxu | php6th, I think that's virtualbox-specific... I haven't twiddled much with it |
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| 05:45.36 | jester45 | hoxu, so comment out from iface eth1 down iface br0 |
| 05:45.41 | jester45 | down to* |
| 05:46.23 | jester45 | or should i also comment out allow-hotplug |
| 05:46.38 | jester45 | i might just go with xen |
| 05:47.00 | php6th | xen is better than virtualbox? |
| 05:47.01 | jester45 | i dont want to run windows nor will have i X installed |
| 05:47.39 | netdaemon | kvm <3 |
| 05:47.51 | jester45 | it has lessover head and is better for running many vms |
| 05:47.58 | azta | jester45: what are you trying to do? |
| 05:47.58 | hoxu | jester45, try commenting out everything about eth1 except bridge_ports eth1 on the bridge |
| 05:48.25 | php6th | hoxu, how would you setup a second bridge? |
| 05:48.37 | jester45 | netdaemon, doesnt kvm need the virtual extension to the cpu? my server's xeon is one generation old for that :( |
| 05:48.54 | hoxu | php6th, if you want to be connected from the VM to outside via the host's public interface, you don't, use a single bridge with all VMs as ports |
| 05:48.56 | jester45 | azta, just run a few diffrent distros |
| 05:49.13 | jester45 | and have a few that i can mess up |
| 05:49.23 | jester45 | and have ppl at my school try to fix |
| 05:49.27 | azta | ah |
| 05:49.51 | php6th | hoxu my objective is to have all VM's in the same network same ip |
| 05:50.11 | netdaemon | jester45, indeed it does, its nice and fast when you have it though |
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| 05:50.30 | zu22 | php6th: are you a VPS reseller? i use OpenVZ |
| 05:50.49 | azta | I should play with xen. I pay for a xen vm, but I've only played with user mode linux and vmware (and parallels) |
| 05:51.19 | zu22 | azta: check out OpenVZ |
| 05:51.24 | jester45 | i have seen a vps running vps software for a reseller... double overhead |
| 05:51.33 | zu22 | jester45: heh ouch |
| 05:51.35 | azta | zu22: I will |
| 05:51.43 | Supaplex | <3's vserver |
| 05:52.01 | php6th | zu22: im a home user... but i need vista and xp running, for development purpouses.. |
| 05:52.23 | Supaplex | correction, |
| 05:52.24 | jester45 | nothing like a slow harddrive low ram machine running virutal machines making it even slower |
| 05:52.24 | Supaplex | <3's xen+vserver |
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| 05:53.41 | azta | I'm so happy I'm not a web artist |
| 05:53.55 | zu22 | azta: http://download.openvz.org/doc/openvz-intro.pdf |
| 05:53.58 | azta | 'I need vista and xp and windows 98 and.." |
| 05:54.03 | hoxu | php6th, same network I understand, same IP... what do you mean? |
| 05:54.21 | azta | zu22: I've looked before, but not had the time to have a play |
| 05:54.30 | zu22 | supaplex: vserver oh is that virtualserver.org ? |
| 05:54.37 | Supaplex | linux vserver patch. |
| 05:54.48 | Supaplex | bits and pieces of it are mainline iirc |
| 05:54.50 | zu22 | azta: ok |
| 05:55.00 | zu22 | supaplex: ah |
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| 05:55.05 | jester45 | no dom0 kernels for lenny? |
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| 05:55.39 | zu22 | windows 98 caused me to switch to linux hehe, it's been 7 years now i have never looked back woo |
| 05:55.41 | azta | wow, tarzeau is still here |
| 05:55.42 | hoxu | I like user-mode linux because it lets you twiddle with the newest host kernels without problems |
| 05:56.04 | Supaplex | it's similar to running in chroot jail, but each guest has its own namespace, isolated networking (routing all on host side), and fine grained limited capabilities so guests cannot wreak raw device havoc. |
| 05:56.32 | azta | !seen graycat |
| 05:56.32 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'graycat', azta |
| 05:56.39 | azta | !seen greycat |
| 05:56.39 | dpkg | azta: i haven't seen 'greycat' |
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| 05:56.59 | zu22 | supaplex: i want to run a honeypot but no one will let me in their ToS lol |
| 05:57.05 | hoxu | azta, still in freenode occasionally |
| 05:57.06 | zu22 | i guess only universities can do that |
| 05:57.19 | azta | hoxu: ah |
| 05:57.36 | zu22 | remember ElectricElf |
| 05:57.45 | gaara | hellow |
| 05:57.46 | azta | absolutely |
| 05:58.21 | zu22 | tarzeau, Guerin, greycat, ElectricElf they were regulars when i first started hanging out in here |
| 05:58.35 | azta | me too |
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| 05:58.39 | zu22 | cool |
| 05:58.44 | Supaplex | hunts for his grub serial notes |
| 05:58.46 | Ziroday | How do you disable recommends? |
| 05:58.46 | zu22 | i was trying to find tarzeau's old #debian page |
| 05:58.54 | zu22 | that listed the homepages of #debian regulars |
| 05:58.58 | azta | its been a while... at least 5 years I guess |
| 05:59.04 | zu22 | azta: ya |
| 05:59.06 | azta | I was a regular here for at least 2 |
| 05:59.26 | zu22 | some irc channels have extensive wikis that list that info |
| 05:59.37 | azta | true :) |
| 05:59.37 | zu22 | we need a #debian freenode wiki with a lot of content :D |
| 05:59.53 | jester45 | Supaplex, xen-hypervisor is pae for ram over 4GB? |
| 06:00.11 | jester45 | or anyone pae is for >4GB of ram correct? |
| 06:00.27 | hoxu | !tell Ziroday about apt recommends |
| 06:00.27 | zu22 | pae? |
| 06:00.45 | hoxu | !pae |
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| 06:00.45 | dpkg | Physical Address Extension (PAE) refers to a feature of x86 and x86-64 processors that allows more than 4 gibibytes (GiB) of physical memory to be used in 32-bit systems, given appropriate operating system support. The Linux kernel supports PAE starting from 2.6.x It has full PAE support, enabling access of up to 64 GiB of memory on 32-bit machines. |
| 06:00.51 | jester45 | physical address something |
| 06:00.53 | jester45 | o |
| 06:00.58 | Ziroday | hoxu: thanks |
| 06:01.00 | zu22 | oh cool |
| 06:01.06 | zu22 | i only have 256mb ram |
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| 06:01.25 | jester45 | good i have 2gb :) im clear |
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| 06:01.57 | Supaplex | jester45: I only have 4gb. and two full slots :( so I don't know. but I have all 4gb in longmode. (x64). I use a 32bit personality in one vserver guest for things like acrobat reader. |
| 06:02.44 | jester45 | Supaplex, do you have multipule cores? |
| 06:03.15 | azta | has anyone else starting to want a 'by date' listing on google? |
| 06:03.36 | azta | grammar... its late |
| 06:03.37 | Supaplex | yes |
| 06:03.41 | jester45 | can a vm access more than one core? vbox and qemu can only use one of mine witch is annoying waiting for the vm to process something while 3 cores are idle |
| 06:04.24 | Torikun | virtualbox right? |
| 06:04.29 | Supaplex | jester45: on vserver, the guest processes have the same access as the host does, because it's the same kernel. as for xen, it's configurable. btw, xen is in mainline too last I heard. |
| 06:04.31 | azta | I've been looking for an alternative lately Supaplex.. kinda strange thing to say I guess, but google is sucking for a lot of my searches these days |
| 06:04.33 | jester45 | please say "yes of course" |
| 06:04.40 | Torikun | let me test my virtualbox |
| 06:05.04 | Obligatory | azta, yeah that'd be nice. There's always usenet, ('groups' in Google), that can sort by date. |
| 06:05.09 | jester45 | Torikun, yea virutalbox doesnt use 2+ cores for me |
| 06:05.16 | azta | true |
| 06:05.31 | Torikun | dam |
| 06:05.35 | Torikun | I did not see an option |
| 06:05.46 | jester45 | Supaplex, o well wiki.debian.org/Xen needs an update then |
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| 06:06.40 | Nyle | hey |
| 06:06.42 | Nyle | whas up |
| 06:06.50 | jester45 | well guys im off to bed i have to wake up in ooo |
| 06:06.54 | jester45 | 4 hours |
| 06:06.56 | Nyle | I want to umount /tmp and delete the partition, make it bigger, and remount it |
| 06:07.00 | Nyle | how can i do this |
| 06:07.02 | Nyle | is it safe? |
| 06:07.05 | [Luc1fer] | hmmm this isn't too bad of a script. |
| 06:07.23 | Nyle | I'm worried because I dunno if to remove /tmp of a running system |
| 06:07.54 | Torikun | nyle you should not! |
| 06:07.55 | Torikun | lol |
| 06:07.58 | hoxu | Nyle, may be a bit error-prone, but if no files are open at the moment and nothing is going to need them later it could work... unfortunately I think that's not the case :) |
| 06:08.08 | hoxu | Nyle, my advice: don't do it :) |
| 06:08.10 | Nyle | hm |
| 06:08.13 | Nyle | damit |
| 06:08.23 | Nyle | I don't mind rebooting or whatever |
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| 06:08.31 | Nyle | I have a 1.1gb /tmp |
| 06:08.35 | Supaplex | Nyle: what filesystem? maybe you can resize2fs it bigger. hopefully it's on lvm. tmpfs might support it too, but I don't know. |
| 06:08.37 | jester45 | wouldnt recoverymode work? |
| 06:08.37 | Nyle | seems too small and fills up quick |
| 06:08.42 | Nyle | Supaplex, ext3 |
| 06:08.59 | hoxu | single user mode would be safest |
| 06:09.04 | Ziroday-eee | Whats wrong with this? |
| 06:09.05 | Supaplex | Nyle: is it on plain partitioning, or lvm? |
| 06:09.06 | Ziroday-eee | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.06 | Ziroday-eee | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:09.06 | Torikun | Nyle: you can use unionfs to write changes to another folder |
| 06:09.14 | Nyle | Supaplex, plain |
| 06:09.21 | Torikun | Nyle: U can use unionfs and you do not have to restart or do anything |
| 06:09.37 | hoxu | Ziroday-eee, show us your sources.list |
| 06:09.49 | jester45 | yea you can copy the files to a tmpfs resize mount then copy it back |
| 06:09.50 | Supaplex | unionfs sounds like a good tempfix. |
| 06:09.54 | hoxu | Ziroday-eee, also, what debian version is it? |
| 06:10.00 | Torikun | mount -t unionfs -o dirs=usr-rw.fs=rw:/tmp=ro unionfs tmp |
| 06:10.15 | Nyle | Torikun, whats that? |
| 06:10.21 | Nyle | what is a unionfs |
| 06:10.26 | Nyle | !unionfs |
| 06:10.26 | dpkg | rumour has it, unionfs is union filesystem is mainly used in Live-CD systems or diskless systems, where the read-only root directory is combined (joined) with tmpfs filesystem (which resides in memory and is writable). http://www.am-utils.org/project-unionfs.html & http://www.unionfs.org/unionfs/ . Its weird. |
| 06:10.27 | hoxu | !unionfs |
| 06:10.28 | Torikun | Nyle: all the changes to a folder will be written to another location |
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| 06:10.45 | Torikun | My custom dustro uses squash and Union fs |
| 06:10.48 | Nyle | so |
| 06:10.52 | Nyle | if i do what you typed |
| 06:10.58 | Nyle | then i can delete /tmp? |
| 06:11.08 | Ziroday-eee | hoxu: here http://pastebin.com/m3e2880aa |
| 06:11.13 | Torikun | no, the changes to /tmp will be on another location |
| 06:11.19 | Torikun | so you do not have to worry about /tmp being 2 small |
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| 06:11.21 | Ziroday-eee | hoxu: sid |
| 06:11.22 | Nyle | so how does that help me |
| 06:11.49 | Supaplex | erm, resides in memory per unionfs alone is a misnomer, isn't it? I thought it left filestores at an alternate mountpoint. |
| 06:11.49 | Nyle | Torikun, I can use export TMPDIR=/whereever |
| 06:11.49 | Nyle | Torikun, how is unionfs different from that fix |
| 06:11.49 | Torikun | on a running sstem? |
| 06:11.58 | hoxu | !btssmite Ziroday-eee |
| 06:11.58 | dpkg | beats Ziroday-eee around the head repeatedly with http://bugs.debian.org/ and apt-listbugs, along with a chainsaw if Ziroday-eee is running Unstable |
| 06:11.58 | Nyle | the point is, I want a 10gb /tmp and i need to resize/redo the partition |
| 06:12.19 | Nyle | Torikun, yes on a running system |
| 06:12.34 | Ziroday-eee | hoxu: so that would be a no go? |
| 06:12.36 | Torikun | then why u asking for methods |
| 06:12.37 | Torikun | lol |
| 06:12.43 | Nyle | I am not. |
| 06:12.55 | Torikun | oh nm |
| 06:12.59 | hoxu | Ziroday-eee, well, if the packages in question are from the sid repository, make a bug report (unless there is one) |
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| 06:13.14 | Ziroday-eee | hoxu: alright |
| 06:13.18 | jester45 | lmao old win98 trick worked for me |
| 06:13.22 | Supaplex | sounds like a busy /tmp to me. |
| 06:13.26 | hoxu | Ziroday-eee, the good news is that since you are running sid you should be able to figure it out by yourself! ;) |
| 06:13.39 | hoxu | ducks |
| 06:13.42 | zu22 | jester45: lol what trick? |
| 06:13.44 | jester45 | had a kernel panic with the new xen kernel, reboot loop after the 6th reboot it worked |
| 06:13.53 | jester45 | rebooting |
| 06:14.04 | Obligatory | Nyle, can't you just use a bootcd to do the resize '/tmp' thing? |
| 06:14.09 | Nyle | yeh |
| 06:14.13 | Nyle | I didn't feel like rebooting |
| 06:14.15 | Nyle | but it sok |
| 06:14.16 | jester45 | win98's magical "humm its not working better reboot" |
| 06:14.18 | Ziroday-eee | hoxu: :(, meh everything is all fuzzy. Just to clarify that means that the version in sid is too old? |
| 06:14.20 | zu22 | Nyle: why do you need a 10GB /tmp ? |
| 06:14.21 | Nyle | I can do it without rebooting |
| 06:14.28 | Nyle | cuz 1gb is too small |
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| 06:14.31 | Nyle | fills up too quick |
| 06:14.36 | Nyle | whats a good size for /tmp |
| 06:14.36 | Nyle | ? |
| 06:14.42 | zu22 | jester45: lol |
| 06:14.45 | jester45 | Nyle, do yo do video editing or converting |
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| 06:14.54 | Nyle | jester45, lots of graphic design |
| 06:14.56 | Nyle | lately |
| 06:15.04 | Nyle | and cd/dvd burning |
| 06:15.15 | hoxu | Ziroday-eee, apt-cache policy <package> |
| 06:15.33 | Nyle | zu22, do not msg me |
| 06:15.37 | Nyle | zu22, k3b |
| 06:15.46 | zu22 | oh kde |
| 06:15.48 | zu22 | i use gnome |
| 06:15.55 | Nyle | then use gnome-baker |
| 06:16.06 | hoxu | zu22, what was your question? |
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| 06:16.47 | zu22 | hoxu: i just wonder a good program that can let me copy dvd's i get from the library, some have DRM copy protection :( |
| 06:16.50 | Torikun | k9copy zu22 |
| 06:16.54 | rhineheart_m | Is there an mp3 player that could be remotely administered to what songs and when it would play that could be configured via web? |
| 06:17.03 | Obligatory | Nyle, maybe it can work live. I'm not clear on a 100% certain method, but I can think of a "good enough" method... |
| 06:17.11 | zu22 | Torikun: thx i will check it out |
| 06:17.57 | Torikun | zu22: you need libdvdcss for it to work because of the encryption |
| 06:18.10 | jester45 | rhineheart_m, mpd and nice 2 see you again |
| 06:18.15 | zu22 | doesn't reiserfs let you resize pars on a running fs? |
| 06:18.36 | Torikun | reiser fs will murder you and hide your bodu zu22 |
| 06:18.38 | zu22 | Torikun: ok i will see if that is packaged for lenny/sid (the libdvdcss) |
| 06:18.43 | rhineheart_m | thanks ;) |
| 06:18.46 | zu22 | Torikun: lol |
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| 06:18.52 | Torikun | zu22: you need to enable debian multimedia repo |
| 06:19.09 | zu22 | Torikun: oh do u have the lines i can add to /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 06:19.10 | Obligatory | zu22, 'mplayer' & 'vlc' will work for older disks, but for newer ones, I only know of Windows software that can do it... |
| 06:19.21 | jester45 | rhineheart_m, mpd is the server its what plays the mp3s then you connect with clients that control what to play. there are a lot of clients javawebui htmlwebui cli gtk kde windows |
| 06:19.22 | Torikun | i use arch. not debian |
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| 06:19.30 | zu22 | Obligatory: ah those damn media companies |
| 06:19.33 | Torikun | debian-muitimedia website has the lines zu22 |
| 06:19.41 | zu22 | Torikun: cool |
| 06:20.15 | rbd | hi guys. I have a internal debian package (for self-use only), and I'd like to be able to install other debs (e.g. apt-get install, etc) while it itself is being installed (e.g. in its postinst script). obviously when I try this I get a message stating the dpkg db is locked. is there a way to get around this, or would doing so be a very bad idea? |
| 06:20.27 | rhineheart_m | jester45, Is there a scheduler there? Let's say.. on monday.. I want some songs to be played...and other songs on other days... |
| 06:20.29 | jester45 | rhineheart_m, i suggest installing mpd and mpc mpc is the cli client controll it with mpc stop mpc play on the server's localhost qute easy to use or make it the command for a button on a panel. a good gtk client is sonata |
| 06:20.30 | hoxu | rbd, no, there is no way |
| 06:20.32 | Obligatory | zu22, it's just that nobody in Debian is that into working on or running afoul of an inherently non-free format like DVD movies. |
| 06:20.35 | zu22 | rbd: can't u just wait? |
| 06:20.41 | simonrvn | rbd: bad idea |
| 06:20.58 | hoxu | rbd, no way as in we don't tell you how to shoot your own feet :P |
| 06:21.05 | Obligatory | zu22, over in Windows-land that's life as they know it... |
| 06:21.28 | zu22 | Obligatory: that's understandable considering the DFSG but having a more multimedia friendly distro could sure help Debian's adoption |
| 06:21.30 | jester45 | rhineheart_m, that depends on the webui but you can make playlist. and just name them monday sunday daythatendswithy |
| 06:21.42 | rbd | ok. in the postinst script of my package I use checkinstall to create the debs...I'll just specify --install=no and then install the deps after my package's install is complete |
| 06:21.47 | rbd | thanks |
| 06:21.47 | [Luc1fer] | lol |
| 06:22.35 | jester45 | rhineheart_m, also mpd will keep playing if X is restarted so you could make a headless server into a media center |
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| 06:22.42 | superlinux-2 | hi |
| 06:22.45 | jester45 | hi |
| 06:22.59 | rhineheart_m | jester45, I guess you got what I would like to do.. mmm.. that's nice! Can you point to me a link which I could follow on this concern? |
| 06:23.28 | jester45 | gueses rhineheart_m will just pm his next software search |
| 06:23.31 | jester45 | hehe |
| 06:23.31 | Obligatory | zu22, definitely, but it'd have to be done on an informal level. What's odd is that Linux tools in general (not just Debian) aren't cutting edge when it comes to DVD un-protection, it's kind of a point of honor for many programmers to avoid such "low" code maybe. |
| 06:23.59 | Obligatory | s/many/many *nix/ |
| 06:24.09 | jester45 | i used gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_MPD replacing gentoo commands with debian like emerge mpd to apt-get install mpd |
| 06:25.12 | jester45 | rhineheart_m, also there is a list of clients http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients |
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| 06:25.52 | rhineheart_m | jester45, is there a WGUI for mpd? |
| 06:26.08 | jester45 | http://mpd.wikia.com/wiki/Clients#Web_Clients |
| 06:26.15 | jester45 | ~10 of them |
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| 06:27.23 | rhineheart_m | jester45, thanks for the assistance.. |
| 06:27.39 | zu22 | Obligatory: ah |
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| 06:32.15 | ttl- | how can i blacklist ath5k and pass autocreate to ath_pci ? |
| 06:32.47 | ttl- | /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi seems not to work |
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| 06:32.55 | ttl- | i'l on lenny |
| 06:33.03 | ttl- | *i'm on lenny |
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| 06:36.40 | Sia0-0 | ! aptitude or apt-get? |
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| 06:39.05 | hoxu | Sia0-0, aptitude, it handles removal of packages that are no longer needed... don't mix the two |
| 06:39.08 | hoxu | !tell ttl- about blacklist |
| 06:39.53 | Sia0-0 | hoxu, thanx /msg dpkg why aptitude tell you all :) |
| 06:40.45 | Obligatory | General question: do we as open-sourcer/free software buffs have a legitimate moral interest in opposing monopolization of data via closed data formats? A lot of the classic hacker types, (white & black hatted) felt obliged to do so. Debian's kind of like a safe sandbox, which shuns that kind of thing. But given greater monopolization, it eventually might become a point of real conflict. |
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| 06:41.15 | Obligatory | Not chatty enough topic I think... |
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| 06:42.02 | hoxu | Obligatory, nothing will stop a speeding penguin ! |
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| 06:43.14 | ttl- | hoxu thanks |
| 06:43.30 | ttl- | hoxu: going to reboot to test it now... |
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| 06:45.33 | Obligatory | hoxu, let's hope so! Though I worry necessary public or business data formats be made so restricted that the penguin's habitat could be made to "shrink" perilously. |
| 06:45.58 | Obligatory | s/be/could be/ |
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| 06:47.35 | hoxu | Obligatory, vendor lock-in is not a new thing, is it? :p |
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| 06:48.03 | superlinux-2 | i just want to know what command will help me distinguish and to select the correct ethernet card? for example: i have a 1Gbps NIC cisco, the other is the fast ethernet d-link |
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| 06:50.27 | ttl- | hoxu: i've put blacklist ath5k in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and rebooted the machine but ath5k still gets loaded ? |
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| 06:51.49 | Obligatory | hoxu, lock-in's not new, more like the scale of the lock-in might make it acquire new or different properties. It's like air pollution, a little pollution can make people nearby sick, or just be annoying. A lot of pollution may be a "virtual Thor". |
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| 06:53.01 | Obligatory | (That is, like an angry fella who can hammer up some bad weather.) |
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| 06:53.21 | ttl- | hoxu: it's very strange because on another debian lenny box i have the blacklist line in /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi does the trick |
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| 06:56.03 | Obligatory | superlinux-2, have you looked at the 'nictools-pci' package? Several diagnostic hardware utils in there... |
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| 07:01.52 | Obligatory | Time to put the Gee before the Oh... |
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| 07:08.37 | SpeedyG | hi, when installing a desktop-system, is the 'standard system' option required? (will I miss stuff when I dont install that) |
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| 07:23.14 | carp3 | hi. is it possible to install Debian from another debian ? ( via dd .. ) ? |
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| 07:25.55 | Lagbolt | carp3, you can use debootstrap |
| 07:25.55 | icedtea | carp3: I'd rather do it using cp |
| 07:26.04 | icedtea | or that |
| 07:26.12 | Lagbolt | carp3, depends, you want to copy an install or make a new install |
| 07:26.20 | icedtea | use cp if you want a mirror |
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| 07:27.45 | carp3 | i want this for server |
| 07:30.18 | carp3 | last week. i don't no why. but i can't run anything even cp |
| 07:30.26 | carp3 | Segmentation fault |
| 07:30.29 | carp3 | for everything |
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| 07:30.48 | carp3 | so i decided to install 2 operating system on my server |
| 07:32.23 | maligor | sounds like ram problems |
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| 07:39.10 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:39.10 | dpkg | qotd143 is, like, < stoned> jetscreamer: i'll join you. lets run away together |
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| 07:40.29 | carp3 | Where can i find preinstalled Debian Disk image ? ( I tried Google. no result.) |
| 07:41.04 | liable | dont know of any. |
| 07:41.15 | Broady | other than vmware images, i dont know any either |
| 07:41.17 | maligor | you can install debian from debian tho |
| 07:41.26 | maligor | but you need to know what you're doing to do that |
| 07:41.59 | carp3 | is it possible to copy vmware image ?(dd ) |
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| 07:42.19 | Broady | doubtful |
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| 07:42.31 | carp3 | hmmm |
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| 07:49.49 | bkw | I'm trying to get lvs working with three debian hosts in a local network. My configuration is dir1: vip 192.168.100.100 rip 192.168.100.101 , www1: rip 192.168.100.110 lo:0 192.168.100.100 , www2: rip 192.168.100.120 lo:0 192.168.100.100 and the hosts can reach eachother. Keepalive is installed with healthchecks |
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| 07:50.47 | bkw | the problem is when keepalive tries to do healthchecks which adds and removed the wwwX hosts |
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| 07:51.11 | bkw | ipvsadm -Ln shows active 0 for both real servers |
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| 08:04.44 | superlinux-2 | AMD XP CPU is't 64bit? |
| 08:04.44 | ttl- | i seem to have a problem with /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local, modules i put there still get loaded |
| 08:05.03 | Lagbolt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:06.09 | superlinux-2 | serious? |
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| 08:07.23 | Lagbolt | superlinux-2, yeah, xp = 32bit |
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| 08:07.48 | Lagbolt | superlinux-2, amd.com or wikipedia , google. but xp is pre 64bit |
| 08:08.05 | Lagbolt | but dont take my word for it :) |
| 08:08.45 | superlinux-2 | i have an Athlon XP |
| 08:08.51 | superlinux-2 | to be frank |
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| 08:09.01 | Lagbolt | superlinux-2, i know you said that. 32bit |
| 08:09.12 | superlinux-2 | ok |
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| 08:31.26 | ttl- | i think the problem with /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local is udev related |
| 08:31.38 | ttl- | could that be? |
| 08:32.01 | ttl- | when i try aptitude reinstall udev i get: E: I wasn't able to locate file for the udev package. This might mean you need to manually fix this package. |
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| 08:33.34 | ttl- | hmm |
| 08:33.43 | ttl- | udev was not installed anymore |
| 08:33.49 | ttl- | strange |
| 08:33.59 | ttl- | i installed it back |
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| 08:36.45 | ttl- | brb |
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| 08:37.44 | SpeedyG | Hi, for an amd cpu, what kernel-image should I use ? |
| 08:37.52 | SpeedyG | just the regula 686? |
| 08:37.55 | SpeedyG | *regular |
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| 08:38.29 | liable | which kernel version? the older ones still have k7 but newer are 686 |
| 08:38.43 | SpeedyG | 686 then :) |
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| 08:40.28 | the_plumber | howdy, im looking for a simple faxing program that just takes and image and phone number and faxes it, something native etch, any suggestions? |
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| 08:41.24 | zinx | the_plumber: try apt-cache search send fax |
| 08:41.49 | the_plumber | zinx: ty |
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| 08:43.00 | the_plumber | zinx: i had two of the three installed, not bad |
| 08:43.09 | UltraNav | having a full backup of a machine, how can I see which packages were installed ? |
| 08:44.19 | Supaplex | 1. chroot into it. 2. see <clone> (from the bot) |
| 08:44.20 | Supaplex | !tell UltraNav about clone |
| 08:45.39 | Supaplex | I think it's dpkg --get-selections |
| 08:45.48 | Supaplex | then --set-selections on the new system. |
| 08:47.55 | UltraNav | ooooh... thanks... |
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| 08:55.14 | jaalto | I'v NFS mounted /home from another host. When I "su - foo; touch test.tmp", the file cannot be created. The message reads: "Permission denied.". I've checked the "id -a" has same UID and GROUP in current host as in the another host. What else can I check? |
| 08:56.19 | Supaplex | test -w foo ; echo $? |
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| 08:58.27 | jaalto | [at host which mounts /home] ls -la /home/jaalto; => drwxr-xr-x 67 jaalto jaalto 12288 2008-08-17 10:19 . |
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| 08:59.34 | Supaplex | mount | grep '(ro)' |
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| 09:00.05 | jaalto | mount | grep /home => nfs:/home on /home type nfs (rw,mand,noatime,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,intr,bg,retry=1,addr=.... |
| 09:00.28 | Supaplex | check the server side for logs |
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| 09:00.58 | maor | anyone have a clue about this? during openssl build... stuck for couple of hours :( http://fastpaste.net/137/ |
| 09:01.14 | jaalto | Supaplex: The mount succeeds, so I'm not sure if logs show anything at the server |
| 09:02.18 | Supaplex | then look :) I'm not sure either. |
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| 09:03.22 | xingu | jaalto: showmount -e nfs |
| 09:03.28 | xingu | jaalto: see if it's exported rw |
| 09:05.18 | jaalto | Supaplex: Usually this would indicate mismatched UID/GID pairs. showmount => /var/mail 192.168.1.0/28 (that's MAX 192.168.1.14). The server is *.2 and client is *.5 |
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| 09:06.32 | jaalto | Correction (showmount): /home 192.168.1.0/28 |
| 09:06.43 | xingu | jaalto: if it's not explicitly exported with rw flag, default is ro |
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| 09:07.22 | jaalto | xingu: etc/exports => /home 192.168.1.0/28(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) |
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| 09:08.23 | Supaplex | can you touch the same file with the same uid on the server? |
| 09:09.09 | xingu | jaalto: fair do; and in addition to Supaplex' question, can you touch the same file as the same uid if you unmount the share first? |
| 09:09.33 | xingu | jaalto: ie, testing the entirely node-local case on the nfs client end |
| 09:09.40 | jaalto | [at server]; touch test.tmp; ls -la test.tmp => -rw-r--r-- 1 jaalto jaalto; id -a uid=1000(jaalto) gid=1000(jaalto) |
| 09:10.36 | jaalto | [at client] touch test.tmp => touch: cannot touch `test.tmp': Permission denied; id -a => uid=1000(jaalto) gid=1000(jaalto) |
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| 09:12.32 | jaalto | xingu: You mean that at client: umount the /home. Then go to local /home directory and try touch test.tmp |
| 09:12.48 | xingu | jaalto: yup; better, create a /home/jaalto leaf as root first |
| 09:13.00 | xingu | jaalto: ie after unmounting the nfs export |
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| 09:13.08 | jaalto | sec |
| 09:14.03 | behrad | Hi. please introduce me Video conferebcing promgram and tools for streamining it |
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| 09:14.38 | jaalto | [at client; deteched nfs /home]; su - jaalto; touch test.tmp => -rw-r--r-- 1 jaalto jaalto ; id -a => uid=1000(jaalto) gid=1000(jaalto) |
| 09:14.46 | jaalto | All good at local client |
| 09:15.17 | xingu | jaalto: good good; ok take a peek at what the kernel thinks is exported on the server - exportfs | grep /home |
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| 09:18.47 | xingu | jaalto: ... and I'm going to pretend for the sake of my own sanity that the client only has a single ip address ;) |
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| 09:19.00 | xingu | jaalto: do let me know if this isn't true |
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| 09:19.21 | jaalto | [at server] exportfs => /home 192.168.1.0/28; grep home /etc/exports => /home 192.168.1.0/28(rw,sync,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) |
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| 09:20.26 | xingu | jaalto: ok if I read that right it seems as if the export hasn't picked up the export flags properly; use "exportfs -r" to see if that output changes. |
| 09:20.32 | ttl- | can somebody help me with figuring out why /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local or /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi do not work at all? |
| 09:20.51 | jaalto | [at client] ifconfig => wlan0 192.168.1.5 |
| 09:21.06 | ttl- | i'm using Lenny |
| 09:21.10 | jaalto | [at server] ifconfig => ra0 (wlan) 192.168.1.2 |
| 09:21.16 | xingu | jaalto: aah, "exportfs -v" will show export flags |
| 09:22.07 | ttl- | and i'm trying to get rid of ath5k and make ath_pci autocreate in ap mode |
| 09:22.57 | jaalto | [at server] exportfs -rav => exporting 192.168.1.0/28:/home |
| 09:22.58 | Supaplex | nfs over wireless? ouch. |
| 09:23.38 | ttl- | but /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local or /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi does not work |
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| 09:23.38 | jaalto | Supaplex: 54M is working great |
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| 09:23.39 | jaalto | xingu: This is real mystery |
| 09:23.49 | xingu | jaalto: just "exportfs -v | grep /home" to look at the actual export flags |
| 09:24.15 | xingu | jaalto: that it is ;) so the last bit that looks intruiging is your client "mand" mount flag. |
| 09:24.30 | xingu | jaalto: maybe lose it and remount |
| 09:25.57 | jaalto | xingu: exportfs -v => /home 192.168.1.0/28(rw,wdelay,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check) |
| 09:25.57 | xingu | jaalto: perfect |
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| 09:25.58 | jaalto | A sec (mand) |
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| 09:29.05 | jaalto | xingu: [at client] removed 'mand' from /etc/fstab; umount -fl /home; mount /home; su - jaalto; touch test.tmp => touch: cannot touch `test.tmp': Permission denied |
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| 09:29.06 | jaalto | [at client] mount | grep home => nfs:/home on /home type nfs (rw,noatime,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,intr,bg,retry=1,addr=192.168.1.2) |
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| 09:30.56 | Supaplex | !lart the laggy net |
| 09:30.56 | dpkg | pulls out his louisville slugger and uses the laggy net's head to break the homerun record |
| 09:30.56 | xingu | jaalto: hum; are the server as well as the client both linux-2.6 ? |
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| 09:31.03 | jaalto | xingu: [client] 2.6.25-2-686 + nfs-kernel-server 1:1.1.3-1 |
| 09:31.33 | jaalto | xingu: [server] 2.6.25-2-686 + nfs-kernel-server 1:1.1.3-1 |
| 09:31.49 | jaalto | Both are Debian/testing |
| 09:31.54 | xingu | jaalto: and is /home/jaalto on the server on the same filesystem as /home ? (sorry for the daft questions, I'm splicing the tree of things that can screw up with nfs) |
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| 09:35.12 | jaalto | xingu: At server it goes like this: |
| 09:35.57 | jaalto | the /dev/hda8 is separate partition to hold persistent data. There is subdirectory "users" which is the real /home for the system |
| 09:38.41 | xingu | jaalto: ok try reconstructing your exports entry in terms of the _real_ filesystem on the server; if the server is loopback (or bind) mounting /dev/hda8:users -> /home, export the /dev/hda8:users directory _instead_ of /home. |
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| 09:39.01 | jaalto | I have three clients that NFS mount the /home, 2 of them work fine, but this last one has that "permission problem". I can't seem to grasp what different in this host. |
| 09:39.47 | jaalto | xingu: I can't restructure the exports because export can serve only full directories and I use "bind" to selve per-directory-basis |
| 09:40.01 | jaalto | selve => serve |
| 09:40.36 | xingu | jaalto: in that case try adding "crossmnt" to the export flags then push with exportfs -r |
| 09:40.45 | xingu | jaalto: should show in exportfs -v afterward. |
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| 09:41.37 | xingu | jaalto: "hide" is more restictive than crossmnt but you'll see what both do in the exports(5) page; just try crossmnt for now to see if this is the right problem or not |
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| 09:42.07 | jaalto | xingu: This looks more like problem in client. The /home can be severd from SERVER to aother two client that currently mount nfs:/home with the same UID/GID that is having problem in this 3rd client, so I would hesitate to make any changes in the server |
| 09:42.45 | xingu | jaalto: sure, but it's a tangled soup of mess; different client implementations tickle different mountd behaviour |
| 09:42.58 | jaalto | In the other two, the user "jaalto" can successfully write to the NFS /home/jaalto |
| 09:43.38 | xingu | jaalto: so along those lines, are the other clients running the same (presumably - linux) kernel - so say at least >linux-2.6.16 ? |
| 09:44.21 | SpeedyG_ | Hey, i'm trying to install nvidia drivers in lenny, but nvidia-kernel-source isnt in my repo apparently, how can I fix this ? |
| 09:44.49 | jaalto | xingu: a sec |
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| 09:45.35 | jaalto | SpeedyG: Inst nvidia-kernel-source [173.14.09-3] (173.14.09-3 Debian:unstable) |
| 09:46.17 | SpeedyG | jaalto: the 173 doesnt support my gfx-card iirc |
| 09:46.35 | xingu | jaalto: actually it might pay you to repeat your test case using a different filename; you might be tripping over the attribute cache or something equally silly. |
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| 09:47.41 | Supaplex | !fix SpeedyG's repo |
| 09:47.41 | dpkg | takes SpeedyG's repo to the vet for a "special" visit. |
| 09:48.34 | SpeedyG | Supaplex, you had an 8800 card running wasnt it? |
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| 09:49.18 | jaalto | xingu: client1 2.6.25-2-amd64 nfs-kernel-server 1:1.1.2-6 (nfs:/home ok); client2 2.6.25-2-686 nfs-kernel-server 1:1.1.2-6 (nfs:/home ok); client3 2.6.25-2-686 nfs-kernel-server 1:1.1.3-1 (nfs:/home ERROR); SERVER 2.6.21-2-686 nfs-kernel-serve 1:1.1.2-6 |
| 09:49.26 | Supaplex | SpeedyG: yup. |
| 09:49.36 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: can you kinda guide me on how you've done it? |
| 09:49.39 | Supaplex | still have too. :) |
| 09:49.56 | SpeedyG | because I wanna do it right this time ;) |
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| 09:50.15 | Supaplex | I think I used simple sid backport + uupdate. the graymatter for this process is too fuzzy now. |
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| 09:50.26 | Supaplex | !tell SpeedyG -about simple sid backport |
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| 09:50.29 | xingu | jaalto: ok that's all within tolerance; so as you say equivalent client side setup should just work bugs notwithstanding |
| 09:50.52 | Supaplex | but in your case, you should be able to ignore uupdate. 169.x wasn't available in unstable when I needed it. |
| 09:51.19 | xingu | jaalto: so probably two thoughts both barfworthy; test a different filename after restoring your set of working mountflags from say client1; and also try rebooting client3 if still no joy. |
| 09:51.20 | Supaplex | and as always, caveat emptor (you get to keep the busted pieces if anything goes wrong). |
| 09:51.42 | xingu | jaalto: neither of those should work - they'd point to bugs in the (in-kernel) nfs client. |
| 09:51.45 | jaalto | xingu: This is mystery. I have tried my best to make identical setup (especially UID/GID). The only difference I see is that problem *client3* is running lower nfs-kernel-server |
| 09:52.09 | xingu | jaalto: won't matter; the only code that matters in this context is the kernel's nfs-fs client |
| 09:52.34 | xingu | jaalto: if you dpkg -L nfs-kernel-server you'll see it purely consists of things that can talk to the kernel's nfs implementation via netlink or whatever it uses |
| 09:53.03 | xingu | jaalto: ie, support/helpers; the actual nfs implementation (client and server) is in the kernel modules |
| 09:53.28 | jaalto | xingu: of course, silly me. |
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| 09:54.15 | xingu | jaalto: even mountd is pretty skeletal these days; a bit of config parsing, a bit of permissions checking, but most of the heavy lifting is left to the kernel side |
| 09:54.15 | jaalto | xingu: Ok, I'll copy good config from *client1* to problem client3, reboot and see it it works. Takes some time. |
| 09:54.39 | xingu | jaalto: sorry for the imprecision, but you've fallen out of the troubleshooting tree into "wtf?" land. |
| 09:55.12 | jaalto | xingu: Hehe. When brain drains out of ideas.... |
| 09:55.17 | xingu | jaalto: next part would be boosting debugging on the nfs client and maybe server and looking at the actual transactions (perhaps a tcpdump wire capture and decode too) |
| 09:55.43 | xingu | jaalto: it's worse than noggin emptiness, you've stressed all the applicable parts of the security model and they're all coming up roses. |
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| 09:56.51 | jaalto | xingu: I'll start countdown to shutdown, do some testing and come back if anything is found. I'll also update *everything* with APT and *reinstall* the bastards :-) |
| 09:57.07 | xingu | jaalto: so you're looking at things like tripping over the client attribute cache, having stale and yet re-used client or server context, etc. |
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| 09:58.17 | Supaplex | !test |
| 09:58.18 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 09:58.20 | xingu | jaalto: you're not getting too creative with bind mounts at the client end are you? it's a stock nfsmount of /home/${homedirs} and you're letting that rest there? |
| 09:58.26 | Supaplex | ffs. netflap. |
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| 09:59.11 | jaalto | xingu: The clients are plain nfs mount. Stock stuff as you said |
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| 10:00.54 | jaalto | starting to upgrade and shovel /etc/fstab in problem client3 |
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| 10:04.49 | xingu | nvidia really are getting their arse handed to them, aren't they; they're doing their best to burn the ricer linux brigade (poor perf on accel 2d on gf8x and newer), they don't have an answer for the free-or-die oss zealots, their game-focussed hardware is being molested by the rv770 variants, they're getting disemboweled in the market on the back of that infamous product recall, and as if that wasn't enough, they've got a big problem now with |
| 10:04.49 | xingu | sli - either they fess up and admit it's actually just a driver-enforced limit, or, they exit the multi-gpu desktop market entirely |
| 10:05.04 | xingu | all in all - "ouch". |
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| 10:05.50 | xingu | they still seem to have their core customers in visualisation and rendering and their new customers in gpgpu/ hpc - but that won't pay the bills. |
| 10:07.16 | xingu | oh, and they probably have a jump in tdp-constrained applications too, doubly so if they can do anything useful with the transmeta ip |
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| 10:13.51 | Illarane | Blimey, there's a lot of people in here. :o |
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| 10:14.59 | Illarane | Debian's standard exim4 package doesn't have MySQL support. Is there another one that I'm missing, or do I need to break out a goat and start compiling things? |
| 10:14.59 | carp3 | hi, i get Segmentation fault with some commends.(such as tar rm chmod .. ) .when i download Binarys from debian.org and replace them manually . they work. but after a few minuets.. same problem happen. what's wrong ? |
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| 10:17.09 | Lagbolt | carp3, bad memory? install memtest |
| 10:17.16 | Lagbolt | check it out |
| 10:17.23 | xingu | check your thermals too |
| 10:18.10 | xingu | wonders when it became acceptable to have core temperatures high enough to fry up a full english breakfast |
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| 10:19.18 | carp3 | is't possible to run memtest without rebooting ? |
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| 10:20.03 | Lagbolt | nope |
| 10:20.07 | liable | you can iirc, but it doesnt get to test all memory when an os is running |
| 10:20.58 | Lagbolt | liable, really? interesting. i must investigate |
| 10:20.59 | carp3 | :| .. well.. is seems that i should rent KVM :| |
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| 10:21.09 | Lagbolt | carp3, sounds like you have serious probs tho |
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| 10:25.52 | strawks | Hi all, I'm using debian testing (stock kernel 2.6.25-2-686) and I have two USB disks connected, when I do a dd if=/dev/sdb of=/dev/null the system just hangs up after transfering a few gigabytes, nothing in the log and no panic on console. |
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| 10:26.32 | Lagbolt | strawks, do you have this problem with 24 kern? |
| 10:26.41 | Lagbolt | strawks, what is your M/B and cpu? |
| 10:26.53 | liable | isnt that the wrong way round? |
| 10:27.03 | strawks | Lagbolt: P2 450MHz, asus P2B-S |
| 10:27.08 | yziquel | Anybody knows where power manager is lauched? It currently complains about being launched before d-bus... |
| 10:27.14 | strawks | with a PCI usb card |
| 10:28.02 | strawks | Lagbolt: it does not happen with other disks (SCSI or IDE) |
| 10:32.51 | EMEKTAR | asg: |
| 10:32.51 | EMEKTAR | hi |
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| 10:32.51 | strawks | Lagbolt: I don't know for the .24 kernel |
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| 10:32.51 | strawks | Lagbolt: I have those disks connected only recently |
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| 10:32.52 | strawks | Lagbolt: maybe I could try compiling a vanilla kernel (2.6.26) |
| 10:32.52 | strawks | Lagbolt: or use the kernel from unstable |
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| 10:33.32 | Lagbolt | strawks, well not sure. can try a few things, just do one at a time |
| 10:33.43 | Lagbolt | do you only have usb on the addon card? |
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| 10:34.01 | strawks | no I have two USB1 ports on the mb |
| 10:34.07 | Lagbolt | well first try those |
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| 10:34.15 | Lagbolt | maybe remove the pci card |
| 10:34.20 | strawks | ok I'll try it then |
| 10:34.22 | Lagbolt | using usb2? |
| 10:34.24 | zwox | hi there |
| 10:34.25 | Lagbolt | usb1? |
| 10:34.26 | markvandenborre | anyone knows more about exotic archs suddenly disappearing from http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 10:34.27 | markvandenborre | ? |
| 10:34.43 | markvandenborre | is this a permanent move, or is there some kind of problem? |
| 10:35.10 | markvandenborre | or aren't they there usually? |
| 10:35.14 | strawks | the mb usb controllers are only usb1, that's why I use a pci card with usb2 ports |
| 10:35.26 | Lagbolt | ah, well try usb1 and see if same problem |
| 10:35.35 | Lagbolt | get an idea what is the issue |
| 10:35.39 | markvandenborre | and only accessible to the mirrors? |
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| 10:36.58 | soulchild | HI all,... any idea how to burn an CD-Iso to an DVD-RAM ? I cannot even format the DVD-RAM |
| 10:38.25 | liable | markvandenborre: such as which arch? |
| 10:38.42 | soulchild | *I am using brasero/nautilus CD BURN |
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| 10:39.25 | andre_d | I struggling with include/excludes using rsync. I have a directory Dir/ that I want to exclude the contents of, except for a certain directory in it, which I want to include. I have tried **/Dir in my exclude-from file and **/Dir/Keep\ dir/ in my include-from file, but everything from Dir/ is excluded. How can I accomplish what I want? |
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| 10:40.35 | markvandenborre | liable: armel |
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| 10:40.49 | markvandenborre | I switched to ftp.de.debian.org |
| 10:40.53 | markvandenborre | that has it |
| 10:40.58 | markvandenborre | but I was wondering |
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| 10:41.43 | markvandenborre | if ftp.debian.org never maybe never carries exotic archs except for third parties that mirror it |
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| 10:41.50 | liable | markvandenborre: to be sure, check the release team mailing list. havent heard of armel being dropped |
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| 10:41.54 | markvandenborre | or something like that |
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| 10:42.15 | markvandenborre | liable: there's just i386, amd64 and stuff |
| 10:42.18 | markvandenborre | no ppc either |
| 10:42.22 | markvandenborre | or sparc |
| 10:42.50 | markvandenborre | maybe I'm looking in the wrong place of course |
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| 10:44.21 | Yrikko | could someone help me with bash script. I have file and every line contain path to one file. How do i make script what reads that file line per line and remove that file? |
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| 10:47.04 | strawks | Yrikko, cat "$file" | while read line; do echo "$line"; done ? |
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| 10:50.23 | illio | For some odd reason.. whenever I try to login as one specific user, that one user doesn't get asked his password.. everyone else does.. just not this one user - despite the fact that he has one... so this is kind of a problem when we use ssh quite a lot and we don't just want to have anyone be able to login.. any idea why it's not asking for his password? |
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| 10:51.02 | strawks | Lagbolt, 600MB read so far, no problem. I think it occurs only when the CPU load is high <10% on USB1 ports, >80% on USB2 |
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| 10:54.56 | Trumpf | hello. |
| 10:55.30 | Yrikko | strawks: thanks. That did the trick |
| 10:55.53 | Yrikko | some fucking faget hacked my box last night and change every index.* from /home |
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| 10:57.48 | Lagbolt | strawks, hmmm |
| 10:58.13 | liable | this should be interesting |
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| 10:58.18 | Lagbolt | strawks, try using the usb2 ports but do "rmmod ehci_hcd" first |
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| 10:59.13 | nr9nb9nr9 | i have a real simple question here--in terminal only with etch--how do you set the default font size? |
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| 11:05.01 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'limits.8' returned no results. |
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| 11:13.22 | ttl- | here is no other solution to put in another disk and reinstall i guess |
| 11:13.25 | _spm_Draget | On a system with a DAC960 RAID Controller I have like over one hundert items under /dev/rd/*. The driver is sending emails out that c0d0 is down and has problem. I know which dirves that are, but I would like to get an overview over the configuration, for example why there are so many entries in /dev/rd/. Does anyone know how I could find out with software something about the configuration? |
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| 11:13.27 | ttl- | There is no other solution to put in another disk and reinstall i guess |
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| 11:14.03 | ttl- | I'm probably to stupid to figure it out, lol |
| 11:14.10 | ttl- | hehe |
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| 11:17.28 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.30 | ttl- | last thing i tried was aptitude full-upgrade but still /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local and /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi don't work |
| 11:17.53 | wols_ | !tell ttl- about blacklist |
| 11:17.57 | wols_ | ttl-: read it. ALL of it |
| 11:18.06 | yziquel | hi. where can i get documentation on how debian manages "automagic kernels" with grub? |
| 11:18.35 | wols_ | yziquel: it simply runs update-grub as part of the debconf script |
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| 11:18.54 | liable | yziquel: its fairly well explained in menu.list |
| 11:19.01 | cahoot | yziquel: look at /etc/kernel-img.conf? |
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| 11:19.31 | yziquel | thanks. |
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| 11:19.36 | SpeedyG | hey, if I want to install a backport-package, am I thinking the right way if I think this: "add repo, update, install package from backport, remove repo again, update again" ? |
| 11:19.50 | wols_ | SpeedyG: no need to remove anything |
| 11:19.58 | thms | is there a way to change which is the default browser used ? It's actually opera and I want it to be iceweasel |
| 11:20.26 | SpeedyG | wols_: but what about the warning "Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade." |
| 11:20.28 | ttl- | wols_: i'm trying to get rid of ath5k and get /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi work to create the VAP in master (ap) mode |
| 11:20.37 | wols_ | thms: /etc/alternatives/x-www-browser |
| 11:20.38 | liable | thms: update-alternatives --config x-www-browser |
| 11:20.49 | _Vi | How to cancel a shutdown if I pressed a power button? It waits about 30 seconds and then "Power button pressed; runlevel 0" etc. "shutdown -c" don't helps. google("Debian cancel shutdown power button") neither. |
| 11:20.53 | wols_ | SpeedyG: where is this warning? |
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| 11:21.08 | thms | liable, wols_, thanks a lot :) |
| 11:21.18 | SpeedyG | !backport caveat |
| 11:21.18 | dpkg | Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read the instructions on how to only get specific backports. Remember that you will be using an unusual configuration of packages that has not been tested as thoroughly as Debian stable and that newer packages have both newer features and newer bugs. Ask me about <version chasing>. |
| 11:21.34 | SpeedyG | wols_: ^ there |
| 11:21.44 | wols_ | bad factoid. read the backports.org instructions |
| 11:21.56 | wols_ | !factinfo backport caveat |
| 11:21.56 | dpkg | backport caveat -- created by gsimmons <~gsimmons@203-214-111-41.dyn.iinet.net.au> at Fri Sep 28 10:31:44 2007 (324 days); last modified at Tue Jul 1 08:59:01 2008 by themill!n=stuart@unaffiliated/themill; it has been requested 102 times, last by SpeedyG, 38s ago. |
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| 11:22.17 | SpeedyG | wols_: ah ok |
| 11:22.37 | wols_ | ponders deleting that caveat. definitely not true |
| 11:22.41 | _spm_Draget | how do I check again which version of a package xyz is installed on my system? |
| 11:23.09 | wols_ | dpkg -l <package> |
| 11:23.09 | dpkg | ii <package> 3.1-1.3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
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| 11:24.27 | SpeedyG | wols_: and if the package is not in the etch-backports, I can add a line for sid, and follow the same instructions? |
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| 11:24.54 | wols_ | SpeedyG: no |
| 11:24.55 | yziquel | ok. but I have far too many entries in menu.lst and /boot is full. Having trouble using aptitude for this reason. How do I get to remove these entries *cleanly* ? |
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| 11:25.19 | wols_ | yziquel: that is nonsensical. aptitude doesn't balk cause you have too many kernels installed |
| 11:25.26 | wols_ | yziquel: uninstall some kernels |
| 11:25.40 | Sia0-0 | how can you check .PO file for error ? with msginit? |
| 11:25.45 | SpeedyG | wols_: what would be the correct way to use a sid package in lenny then? (are there factoids about them?) |
| 11:25.55 | yziquel | aptitude balks because of dependencies it tries to handle by trying to install something in /boot. is full -> broken pipe -> fails. |
| 11:25.57 | wols_ | !tell SpeedyG about ssb |
| 11:26.13 | wols_ | yziquel: uninstall some unneeded kernels |
| 11:26.20 | SpeedyG | ah ok, thanks |
| 11:26.26 | ttl- | wols_: ok did dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.25-2-686, going to reboot to test |
| 11:26.26 | liable | Sia0-0: as in a translation file? |
| 11:26.32 | ttl- | brb |
| 11:26.49 | Sia0-0 | liable, yes |
| 11:27.34 | yziquel | wols: that's exactly what I'm tring to do with aptitude... i try to uninstall some kernels, and it complains about /boot full! |
| 11:28.26 | wols_ | !tell yziquel about errors |
| 11:28.29 | yziquel | that's why i'd like to know how to cleanly uninstall some kernels manually. but since they're in the automagic kernels list, i figure i cannot simply erase them... |
| 11:28.43 | liable | Sia0-0: i dont know :) just wondering if thats what you were talking about. I dont even know which channel would be best to ask about that. check the translation wiki page for possible help |
| 11:30.03 | wols_ | yziquel: use dpkg |
| 11:30.10 | Sia0-0 | liable, the #gnu channel or #launchpad is the best, if debian have no answer :) |
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| 11:30.41 | liable | you could erase them. but possibly have to touch the files to make the postrm happy |
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| 11:34.08 | ttl- | wols_: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) and reboot did not change anything |
| 11:34.45 | ttl- | wols_: i already did that but wanted to try it one more time after the aptitude full-upgrade |
| 11:35.01 | wols_ | pastebin your blacklist file |
| 11:35.11 | ttl- | wols_: ok |
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| 11:37.22 | hramrach_ | Hello |
| 11:37.30 | ttl- | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/1175797 |
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| 11:38.11 | b52 | can someone help me to build a vsftpd v2.0.7 debian package? |
| 11:38.23 | wols_ | ttl-: isn't it ath5k-pci? |
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| 11:38.53 | wols_ | !tell b52 about ssb |
| 11:38.54 | ttl- | wols_: lsmod says ath5k |
| 11:39.08 | wols_ | ttl-: filename is ath5k-ko? |
| 11:39.11 | wols_ | ttl-: filename is ath5k.ko? |
| 11:39.14 | liable | yes |
| 11:39.25 | b52 | wols_: hmm? |
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| 11:40.00 | wols_ | b52: dpkg sent you a message. read it |
| 11:40.30 | SpeedyG | Supaplex: you still around ? |
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| 11:40.46 | ttl- | wols_: /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ath5k/ath5k.ko |
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| 11:42.15 | ttl- | it is driving me mad... |
| 11:42.28 | ttl- | dunno where to look anymore |
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| 11:43.55 | behrad | Hi. please introduce me Video conferebcing promgram and tools for streamining it |
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| 11:44.51 | cahoot | ekiga? |
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| 11:45.24 | ttl- | wols_: lsmod output: http://pastebin.ca/1175802 |
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| 11:46.13 | wols_ | ttl-: did I ask for that? |
| 11:46.19 | SpeedyG | i've got the following problem, i've followed the nvidia_post_etch factoid, combined it with the simple_sid_backport factoid for nvidia_kernel_source, but at the m-a a-i nvidia part, it tells me the installation of the nvidia-kernel-source package failed. Does somebody know what i've done wrong or have forgotten? |
| 11:46.38 | wols_ | SpeedyG: you run lenny? |
| 11:46.42 | ttl- | wols no |
| 11:46.43 | SpeedyG | wols_: yes |
| 11:46.49 | ttl- | wols_: sorry |
| 11:46.51 | wols_ | !tell SpeedyG about nvidia_lenny |
| 11:47.06 | ttl- | wols_: just want to be informative :) |
| 11:47.11 | wols_ | SpeedyG: you will need to build from "source" (nvidia-graphics-driver is the source package) |
| 11:47.30 | cahoot | ttl-: did you update initramfs? |
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| 11:48.02 | wols_ | ttl-: and while updating your initramfs, was ath5k still loaded? |
| 11:48.27 | ttl- | cahoot: did "dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.25-2-686" |
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| 11:48.47 | ttl- | wols_: i try again |
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| 11:51.17 | ttl- | wols_: http://pastebin.ca/1175815 |
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| 11:51.35 | wols_ | ttl-: ath5k should not be loaded while redoing the initrd |
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| 11:52.38 | ttl- | wols_: but it is for some strange reason |
| 11:52.54 | SpeedyG | wols_: build from source as in, the apt-get -b part? or is there anything else involved with building it from source (last time I installed nvidia stuff, I used the .run file.. but because of the lack of support, i've decided to try it the debian way this time) |
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| 11:53.52 | Sia0-0 | liable, i found it 'msgfmt' check for error in .po file ;) |
| 11:54.07 | liable | Sia0-0: ah, cool |
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| 11:54.38 | ttl- | wols_: you want me to rmmod it first? |
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| 11:55.30 | wols_ | obviously! |
| 11:55.43 | ttl- | wols_: sorry my english isn't perfect |
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| 11:56.21 | ttl- | i removed the module and doing the dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 thing again |
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| 11:56.47 | perriman | Can someone tell me how can I exclude test programs of a package? |
| 11:57.04 | perriman | I'm creating the debian package and I don't want to add the test programs... |
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| 11:57.15 | ttl- | wols_: so what now? reboot and see what happens? |
| 11:57.23 | _spm_Draget | I have a md0 device on a foreign system and /proc/mdstat shows me two healthy raids. Yet I do not have a tool I use myself to manage RAIDs 'mdadm', but it is not available. Any ideas? |
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| 12:00.41 | margiolas | hello i need a web based mail client for my server any sugget? |
| 12:00.57 | markvandenborre | margiolas: zimbra |
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| 12:01.18 | markvandenborre | or if you need something more simple: squirrelmail |
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| 12:01.40 | ttl- | reboot, brb |
| 12:01.41 | candyban_ | hi all |
| 12:01.42 | wols_ | markvandenborre: squirrelmail or roundcube |
| 12:02.23 | candyban_ | How can I completely disable ipv6? (Bind still does AAAA lookups) ... I have ipv6 in my blacklist and I started bind with "-4" option |
| 12:03.47 | margiolas | markvandenborre: i am running an exim pop3 server i need a web interface for mail access iszimbra ok for that? |
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| 12:05.25 | markvandenborre | margiolas: I'm not an expert, you'll have to google |
| 12:05.55 | liable | candyban_: theres the alias file as well, but quickly looking at it, i forget what i have done in the past. google should have lots of info on blacklisting ipv6 in linux |
| 12:06.02 | ttl- | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:06.15 | ttl- | sorry |
| 12:06.43 | ttl- | wols_: seems not to make any difference, ath5k still loaded |
| 12:06.55 | daemonmidi | quit |
| 12:07.35 | cahoot | ttl-: udev pulling it in? |
| 12:07.36 | markvandenborre | margiolas: but I know that zimbra is very well regarded |
| 12:07.38 | quitte | markvandenborre: never heard of isbimbra.squirrelmail is in debian |
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| 12:07.55 | ttl- | cahoot: dunno anymore |
| 12:08.14 | wols_ | markvandenborre: if you want webmail, use imap (and yes every imap server does pop3 too) |
| 12:08.18 | cahoot | ttl-: look at persistent-net.rules? |
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| 12:08.40 | ttl- | cahoot: k |
| 12:08.43 | simNIX | I have a Debian desktop. Playing music and video gives sound. I've just added skype - on testing call it says; problem with audio playback |
| 12:08.51 | liable | net.rules is an after the fact thing, not a module loader |
| 12:08.53 | margiolas | markvandenborre: ok thanks |
| 12:09.02 | simNIX | any pointers on how to link my mic and skype ? |
| 12:09.45 | Lagbolt | simNIX, link them? |
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| 12:10.08 | Lagbolt | simNIX, you will want to check your audio settings for recording |
| 12:10.12 | ttl- | cahoot: there is a line in /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules |
| 12:10.22 | simNIX | will try - tnx |
| 12:10.31 | candyban_ | liable: I asked google, and the ipv6 module is disabled ... yet bind still issues AAAA requests ... and apt is trying that address (even though it says it doesn't know about the protocol) |
| 12:10.32 | Lagbolt | simNIX, look in alsamixer |
| 12:10.39 | ttl- | cahoot: SUBSYSTEM=="net", DRIVERS=="?*", ATTR{address}=="00:1a:4d:35:bf:76", ATTR{type}=="1", NAME="ath0" |
| 12:10.42 | Lagbolt | simNIX, check the capture devices |
| 12:11.13 | candyban_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:11.16 | cahoot | ttl-: I obviously lured you onto wrong track - disregard |
| 12:11.32 | candyban_ | liable: so I'm pretty sure ipv6 is disabled from the kernel side |
| 12:11.33 | ttl- | cahoot: no problem |
| 12:11.44 | liable | candyban_: is ipv6 loaded in lsmod/ |
| 12:11.46 | liable | ? |
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| 12:12.11 | liable | ttl-: paste your dmesg somewhere |
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| 12:12.22 | candyban_ | liable: no (like I said, it's in blacklists) ... and the output should give a hint as well |
| 12:12.31 | ttl- | liable: ok |
| 12:13.01 | liable | candyban_: not having the module loaded should stop that. dunno |
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| 12:17.27 | ttl- | liable: http://pastebin.ca/1175854 |
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| 12:19.55 | liable | ttl-: madwifi is loaded. whats the problem? |
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| 12:21.41 | enouf | liable: though perhaps not the proper way, /etc/modprobe.d/aliases (alias net-pf-10 ipv6) which one can comment out and/or /etc/modules.conf has the entry "# alias net-pf-10 off .... " which one could uncomment - just to refresh your memory ;-) |
| 12:22.29 | liable | enouf: yes, thats what i was thinking of. cheers |
| 12:22.42 | ttl- | liable: VAP is created in managed mode /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi says "blacklist ath5k" and "options ath_pci autocreate=ap" and ath5k is still loaded too |
| 12:23.17 | liable | ttl-: paste that file \ |
| 12:24.29 | ttl- | liable: http://pastebin.ca/1175868 |
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| 12:27.25 | ttl- | liable: i tried the file with only one line saying: options ath_pci autocreate=ap too with the same result |
| 12:29.11 | ttl- | liable: /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local has one line saying: blacklist ath5k |
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| 12:30.14 | liable | ttl-: do you have ath-pci in /etc/modules too? |
| 12:30.17 | ttl- | liable: dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 does also not make any difference |
| 12:30.41 | ttl- | liable: yes ath_pci is in /etc/modules |
| 12:30.47 | liable | ttl-: remove it |
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| 12:31.31 | ttl- | ok |
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| 12:32.05 | ttl- | liable: done |
| 12:32.10 | liable | ttl-: reboot |
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| 12:32.21 | ttl- | liable: ok, brb |
| 12:32.24 | liable | k |
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| 12:33.24 | SpeedyG | wols_: i've installed the both .deb files, and the sourcefile.. but glxinfo isnt available, did I something wrong, or do I have to install something? |
| 12:35.55 | xingu | SpeedyG: glxinfo is in mesa-utils |
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| 12:36.49 | SpeedyG | xingu: ah ok, thanks :) |
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| 12:37.18 | b52 | any idea when vsftpd 2.0.7 will get packaged? |
| 12:37.31 | ttl- | liable: no change |
| 12:37.59 | ttl- | liable: very strange... |
| 12:38.15 | ShishKabab | Hello. I'd like my server to be able to send and receive mail for various domains, but I've never done such thing before. Where should I start? |
| 12:38.51 | eldkatt | I get slow write speeds with ntfs-3g to an external USB 2.0 hard drive. Is it worth the trouble trying to find out what the problem is, or am I better off with another filesystem, for storage with occasional Windows use? |
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| 12:39.08 | ttl- | liable: looks like /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi or /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local get not processed at all... |
| 12:39.37 | SeveredCross | eldkatt: It's probably NTFS-3g, You can make it Ext3, and there is a Windows driver (which mounts as ext2, so you have to be quite careful about removing the drive). |
| 12:39.46 | liable | ttl-: well, ath5k is not being loaded, so that doesnt appear to be an issue |
| 12:40.03 | liable | ttl-: paste all those files please |
| 12:40.47 | ttl- | liable: and lsmod rapports it is loaded |
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| 12:42.44 | liable | ttl-: ok. the device is being claimed by madwifi though. it doesnt show in your demesg for ath5k. lets go one step at a time. if you modprobe -r ath-pci and then load it with the autocreate option, does it create an ap vap? |
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| 12:43.09 | eldkatt | SeveredCross, so the ext2 driver can mount ext3 as ext2? |
| 12:43.34 | wols_ | SpeedyG: which .deb files? the ones you built yourself from the nvidia-graphics-drivers source package? and glxinfo is in mesa-utils |
| 12:43.48 | ttl- | liable: http://pastebin.ca/1175892 /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi |
| 12:44.05 | SpeedyG | wols_: the ones from the nvidia-graphics-drivers source package yes, and I can now finally say that i've got the nvidia drivers installed the debian way :D |
| 12:44.41 | wols_ | gz |
| 12:44.55 | ttl- | liable: http://pastebin.ca/1175894 /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.local |
| 12:45.42 | SeveredCross | eldkatt: Yes. |
| 12:46.19 | ttl- | liable: yes |
| 12:46.35 | liable | ttl-: and your /etc/modules please |
| 12:46.40 | ttl- | liable: removed the ath_pci module |
| 12:46.50 | liable | ttl-: did you leave ath5k loaded? |
| 12:46.54 | ttl- | liable: modprobe ath-pci autocreate=ap does create it in master (ap) mode |
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| 12:46.57 | liable | it shouldnt matter |
| 12:47.04 | liable | ttl-: good |
| 12:47.05 | b52 | could someone help to build vsftpd 2.0.7? im unable to do this? |
| 12:47.08 | _Fabio20 | i have tried install my nvidia go 7300 with non free drivers from nvidia.com but i cant install |
| 12:47.17 | ttl- | liable: yes did not change anything on the ath5k module |
| 12:47.17 | _Fabio20 | installer said i have wrong gcc kernel |
| 12:47.19 | wols_ | b52: ask a specific question |
| 12:47.21 | ttl- | it is still loaded |
| 12:47.24 | _Fabio20 | 4.1 -- 4.3 |
| 12:47.27 | wols_ | b52: ask about a specific problem |
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| 12:47.32 | liable | ttl-: paste your /etc/modules |
| 12:47.41 | ttl- | liable: ok |
| 12:47.41 | wols_ | freet15: we don't support nvidia.com drivers. why do you want to use them? |
| 12:47.44 | b52 | wols_: could you build a package of 2.0.7 for me? |
| 12:47.46 | ttl- | liable: one sec |
| 12:47.49 | wols_ | b52: no |
| 12:48.12 | wols_ | _Fabio20: we don't support nvidia.com drivers. why do you want to use them? |
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| 12:48.31 | _Fabio20 | wols_ to have 3d acceleration |
| 12:48.39 | _Fabio20 | i have debian lenny |
| 12:48.56 | wols_ | !tell _Fabio20 about nvidia_lenny |
| 12:49.09 | ttl- | liable: http://pastebin.ca/1175896 /etc/modules |
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| 12:51.11 | _Fabio20 | ttl- ?? |
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| 12:51.52 | ttl- | _Fabio20: ? |
| 12:52.08 | _Fabio20 | wols_ ?? |
| 12:52.30 | _Fabio20 | whow can i have 3d accelaration in my debian lenny and with nvidia go 7300 |
| 12:52.45 | wols_ | _Fabio20: dpkg told you a few minutes ago. read it |
| 12:53.16 | _Fabio20 | wols_ but with no drivers |
| 12:53.18 | _Fabio20 | ? |
| 12:53.27 | wols_ | dpkg told you! read it! |
| 12:53.27 | dpkg | wols_: no idea |
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| 12:53.58 | liable | ttl-: are you sure you haven't added files elsewhere? the option looks fine for ath-pci. |
| 12:55.10 | ttl- | liable: don't think so |
| 12:55.21 | liable | ttl-: can you reboot and give me a fresh copy of your entire dmesg. |
| 12:56.00 | ttl- | liable: of course, thanks for you trying to help me! |
| 12:56.05 | ttl- | liable: brb |
| 12:56.12 | liable | ok |
| 12:56.16 | _Fabio20 | please help me |
| 12:56.23 | _Fabio20 | i cant install nvidia non free drivers |
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| 12:56.41 | wols_ | !tell _Fabio20 about nvidia_lenny |
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| 12:56.56 | wols_ | _Fabio20: we do not support drivers directly downloaded from nvidia.com |
| 12:56.58 | Lagbolt | lol _Fabio20 type /msg dpkg nvidia_lenny |
| 12:57.46 | wols_ | he was told that 2 times already. if he doesn't see it now, he never will |
| 12:58.05 | Lagbolt | wols_, lol no kidding |
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| 12:58.51 | _Fabio20 | i cant find nvidia-graphics-drivers when i apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 12:59.04 | Lagbolt | _Fabio20, did you add the "deb-src" line? |
| 12:59.10 | _Fabio20 | yes |
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| 12:59.17 | Lagbolt | can you pastebin your sources.list |
| 12:59.18 | wols_ | freet15: sid repos. deb-src for sid. as explained in the factoid. read it more carefully |
| 12:59.18 | _Fabio20 | lenny |
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| 12:59.29 | wols_ | _Fabio20: ^^ |
| 12:59.30 | _Fabio20 | i have lenny not sid |
| 12:59.35 | Lagbolt | _Fabio20, the deb-src line has to be sid |
| 12:59.40 | stew | _Fabio20: the drivers aren't in lenny, they are in sid |
| 12:59.45 | Lagbolt | _Fabio20, then the apt-get -b builds it against lenny |
| 12:59.52 | wols_ | we don't give a fuck what you have. the factoid is for lenny and says to use the sid repos for sources. |
| 12:59.56 | _Fabio20 | can i add sid repps in my lenny |
| 12:59.58 | _Fabio20 | ? |
| 13:00.02 | wols_ | either you do what the factoid says or no nvidia for you |
| 13:00.08 | Lagbolt | _Fabio20, no, you are adding a deb-src for sid not a deb |
| 13:00.17 | _Fabio20 | ok |
| 13:00.27 | Lagbolt | you are doing a simple backport i guess |
| 13:00.29 | Lagbolt | !ssb |
| 13:00.29 | dpkg | First: See if the package has already been backported. Ask me about <backports>. If it hasn't, 1) Add a "deb-src ..." line ONLY for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename; 4) install the resultant debs. If you are just wanting to change the compilation options, ask me about <package recompile>, or see <uupdate> if sid is too old |
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| 13:00.45 | Lagbolt | _Fabio20, basically this for nvidia drivers |
| 13:00.48 | ttl- | liable: http://pastebin.ca/1175910 |
| 13:00.56 | _Fabio20 | i will try |
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| 13:03.55 | liable | ttl-: you sure you havent got ath_hal in some file somewhere? its strange to see that first rather than ath-pci. |
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| 13:04.55 | liable | ttl-: basically, i think something is loading the module before the file gets read. but i cant think what would be doing it. |
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| 13:05.40 | liable | its odd to see ath-hal loaded before ath-pci in my experience |
| 13:05.45 | ttl- | liable: i wil grep entire /etc dir for it |
| 13:05.45 | _Fabio20 | done this Add a "deb-src ..." line for sid 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep nvidia-graphics-drivers 4) apt-get -b source nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 13:05.53 | _Fabio20 | and now what i do |
| 13:05.54 | _Fabio20 | ? |
| 13:06.06 | wols_ | now you install the resulting .debs with dpkg |
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| 13:06.22 | _Fabio20 | where is debs |
| 13:06.23 | Lagbolt | _Fabio20, dpkg -i "packagename" |
| 13:06.24 | _Fabio20 | ? |
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| 13:06.42 | wols_ | _Fabio20: they are in your parent directory |
| 13:06.56 | F6F | hat mal wer noch den link zum stream? |
| 13:06.59 | Lagbolt | spoon feeding. |
| 13:07.00 | wols_ | _Fabio20: also you now follow the nvidia_post_etch factoid as the nvidia_lenny factoid tells you |
| 13:07.03 | F6F | ?stream |
| 13:07.08 | F6F | !stream |
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| 13:07.10 | wols_ | !de | F6F |
| 13:07.17 | wols_ | !de |
| 13:07.17 | dpkg | deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net oder irc.belwue.de) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net, irc.freenode.net or irc.belwue.de) |
| 13:07.19 | grgdorn | hello. i need some help here. my wireless network just stopped working.... |
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| 13:07.31 | F6F | ah sry |
| 13:07.35 | grgdorn | usually i use knetorkmanger but suddently it doesnt see my network |
| 13:08.06 | _Fabio20 | install all debs created |
| 13:08.07 | _Fabio20 | ? |
| 13:08.26 | _Fabio20 | wols_ |
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| 13:08.38 | zxxd | how do modules check if the ver for the kernel they were compiled for matches the running kernel? |
| 13:08.49 | Lagbolt | _Fabio20, do you see the .deb? how many did it make |
| 13:08.51 | wols_ | zxxd: modinfo? |
| 13:09.05 | _Fabio20 | 5 |
| 13:09.07 | _Fabio20 | Lagbolt |
| 13:09.23 | Lagbolt | so install all of the debs that it made , just like the factoid says |
| 13:10.08 | liable | grgdorn: and suddenly would mean? you upgraded? you upgraded kernels? you changed what? |
| 13:10.27 | wols_ | liable: solar eclipse |
| 13:10.34 | wols_ | or sunspots |
| 13:10.38 | liable | of course! |
| 13:10.41 | grgdorn | i changed absolutely nothing. i was playing around with and it just went. |
| 13:10.48 | abrotman | see .. nothing |
| 13:11.14 | wols_ | abrotman: when I play around with you I do absolutely nothing too |
| 13:11.19 | zxxd | vermagic: 2.6.26 SMP mod_unload modversions CORE2 -ermagic: 2.6.26 SMP mod_unload modversions 686 |
| 13:11.21 | grgdorn | I am running experimental though... |
| 13:11.29 | zxxd | CORE2 and 686 means mismatch? |
| 13:11.30 | liable | ... |
| 13:11.36 | wols_ | grgdorn: you can't run experimental |
| 13:11.55 | grgdorn | i just did what they said i should do to install kde4 |
| 13:12.02 | wols_ | zxxd: there is no CORE2 debian kernel |
| 13:12.11 | grgdorn | and that was put 'experimental' in my sources.list |
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| 13:12.20 | liable | grgdorn: wtf, you dont *run* experimental, and if you are playing with that stuff, then you go bye bye and work it out yourself |
| 13:12.38 | zxxd | wols_, i downloaded the debianized linux-source |
| 13:12.57 | ttl- | liable: nope don't find ath_hal in any of the /etc files |
| 13:13.08 | wols_ | zxxd: and the module is from where? pre built? if you build a customized kernel you must build all modules yourself too |
| 13:13.32 | zxxd | wols_, actually i just d/l the linux source and build the module |
| 13:13.52 | wols_ | then you did it wrongly |
| 13:13.54 | zxxd | kernel isn't customized |
| 13:14.04 | zxxd | i think |
| 13:14.21 | zxxd | actually it is customized |
| 13:14.32 | zxxd | but its modver say 686 |
| 13:14.37 | zxxd | for its modules |
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| 13:14.45 | _Fabio20 | wols_ i dont have |
| 13:14.47 | _Fabio20 | nvidia-kernel-source |
| 13:14.56 | _Fabio20 | and my debs needs it |
| 13:15.05 | wols_ | fantasticmrfox: then there was an error. what files do you have? (deb files) |
| 13:15.06 | zxxd | wols_, i d/l the same kernel ver as the one running |
| 13:15.07 | zxxd | 2.6.26 |
| 13:15.13 | haxi_needhelp | hi. |
| 13:15.19 | wols_ | zxxd: I told you the problem |
| 13:15.25 | liable | ttl-: i am running low on ideas why thats happening. |
| 13:15.27 | zxxd | wols_, what is the problem CORE2? |
| 13:15.29 | wols_ | _Fabio20: ^^ |
| 13:15.42 | _Fabio20 | wols_ where i can have it |
| 13:15.44 | _Fabio20 | ? |
| 13:15.56 | wols_ | _Fabio20: where all the other debs you just made are |
| 13:16.04 | stew | _Fabio20: what command did you run and what exact error did you get? |
| 13:16.30 | haxi_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:16.31 | liable | ttl-: when you rebuilt your initrd, was ath-pci loaded? i dont know much about initrds. |
| 13:16.36 | zxxd | wols_, ? |
| 13:16.40 | liable | its voodoo to me |
| 13:16.44 | _Fabio20 | dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-3_i386.deb |
| 13:16.44 | dpkg | installs nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-3_i386.deb into _fabio20's head with a bone saw and a few screws |
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| 13:17.07 | wols_ | _Fabio20: ls -l *.deb |
| 13:17.11 | wols_ | pastebin the output |
| 13:17.15 | ttl- | liable: yes |
| 13:17.25 | ttl- | liable: ath_pci was loaded |
| 13:17.33 | ilaiho | I have a problem with the apci cpu temperature monitoring: http://pastebin.com/d2e0d1f8f |
| 13:17.39 | _Fabio20 | ls -l *.deb |
| 13:17.41 | _Fabio20 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7679416 Ago 17 14:06 nvidia-glx_173.14.09-3_i386.deb |
| 13:17.42 | _Fabio20 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 137344 Ago 17 14:06 nvidia-glx-dev_173.14.09-3_i386.deb |
| 13:17.44 | _Fabio20 | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5018652 Ago 17 14:06 nvidia-kernel-source_173.14.09-3_i386.deb |
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| 13:17.55 | liable | ttl-: unload all the ath* and wlan* and related modules and build it again. its the last thing i can think of |
| 13:17.59 | ttl- | liable: rmmod ath_pci and ath5k and rebuild ? |
| 13:18.00 | Lagbolt | _Fabio20, do not paste in here . . .. |
| 13:18.04 | ttl- | liable: ok |
| 13:18.10 | Lagbolt | !tell _Fabio20 about pastebin |
| 13:18.12 | wols_ | _Fabio20: in a pastebin! and answer stew too |
| 13:18.16 | liable | ttl-: *all* the madwifi modules. |
| 13:18.20 | _Fabio20 | http://pastebin.com/m40bef585 |
| 13:18.25 | liable | ttl-: theres a few of them |
| 13:18.41 | stew | _Fabio20: what is the error you got? |
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| 13:18.54 | ttl- | liable: ok |
| 13:19.39 | liable | ttl-: all ath* and all wlan* (you need to unload wlan-scan-sta first btw to get the others to unload) |
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| 13:20.27 | _Fabio20 | nvidia-kernel-173.14.09 |
| 13:20.35 | _Fabio20 | i don t have it installed |
| 13:20.44 | _Fabio20 | and i dont have it in my repps |
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| 13:21.02 | wols_ | _Fabio20: pastebin the command you ran and the error you got |
| 13:21.14 | wols_ | when installing kernel-source you can't get such an error |
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| 13:21.22 | stew | _Fabio20: you have to build it, read the description of the nvidia-glx package |
| 13:21.40 | wols_ | _Fabio20: read the nvidi_post_etch factoid more carefully again |
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| 13:21.57 | _Fabio20 | http://pastebin.com/m5735324b |
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| 13:23.08 | stew | _Fabio20: run "aptitude -f install" to fix the broken dependency of nvidia-kernel-source on dpatch |
| 13:23.22 | stew | _Fabio20: the proceed with bulding of nvidia-kernel from nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 13:26.19 | quitte | is someone here using jdbc to connect openoffice to mysql? |
| 13:26.35 | quitte | i'm always getting a useless error |
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| 13:27.56 | ttl- | liable: unloaded ath5k, mac80211, wlan_scan_sta, ath_rate_sample, ath_pci, wlan, ath_hal |
| 13:28.09 | ttl- | liable: i a slight different order... |
| 13:28.11 | liable | ttl-: that about covers it |
| 13:28.19 | ttl- | liable: |
| 13:28.22 | ttl- | liable: ok |
| 13:28.40 | liable | you could do cfg80211 and nl80211 |
| 13:28.47 | liable | for good measure |
| 13:28.50 | zxxd | wols_, what's the problem i didnt follow |
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| 13:29.09 | ttl- | liable: anything with ath and wlan is unloaded |
| 13:30.04 | ttl- | liable: doing dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-$(uname -r) now |
| 13:30.38 | liable | ttl-: cross fingers. other than initrd funny stuff, i am out of ideas. |
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| 13:31.05 | ttl- | crossing fingers |
| 13:31.09 | liable | i really must learn about that shit one of these days |
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| 13:31.33 | ttl- | liable: ok done, here i go reboooooot.... |
| 13:31.41 | ttl- | liable: brb |
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| 13:31.45 | liable | ok |
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| 13:34.05 | Hailsematary | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:34.25 | Hailsematary | I want to take a look at the source code |
| 13:34.29 | Hailsematary | anybody know smt? |
| 13:34.41 | stew | MrFahrenheit: the name of the package is apt |
| 13:35.43 | wols_ | stew: not with his distro |
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| 13:35.54 | enouf | ewww |
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| 13:36.13 | ttl- | liable: ... stil the same |
| 13:36.18 | stew | wols_: what? |
| 13:36.29 | wols_ | stew: he runs ubuntu |
| 13:36.34 | ttl- | liable: it's a mystery |
| 13:36.42 | stew | wols_: then apt is the name of the source package |
| 13:36.43 | wols_ | otherwise he wouldn't tell #ubunt he search packages.ubuntu.com |
| 13:37.12 | wols_ | ubuntu has a add-apt-key package apparently |
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| 13:37.47 | Hailsematary | I was confused about the name of the package, cause there is not a cmd line program called add-apt-key |
| 13:37.47 | liable | ttl-: so it seems. yours is an odd case, i cant think why though. |
| 13:38.07 | liable | theres apt-key-add.. |
| 13:38.11 | Hailsematary | the cmd line program is "apt-key" with "add" option |
| 13:38.13 | Spida | should the ivtv-source package generate a ivtv.ko module if I call m-a a-i ivtv? |
| 13:38.33 | abrotman | Hailsematary: are you running debian or ubuntu? |
| 13:38.34 | liable | ah, correct |
| 13:38.43 | Hailsematary | abrotman: ubuntu |
| 13:38.49 | ttl- | liable: yeah indeed, but still want to thank you for trying to help me out |
| 13:38.49 | abrotman | Hailsematary: then ask #ubuntu |
| 13:38.52 | stew | Hailsematary: please ask in #ubuntu, not here, then |
| 13:39.04 | Hailsematary | ok , sorry |
| 13:39.09 | ttl- | liable: i appreciate it! |
| 13:39.20 | Hailsematary | I thought cause the system is based as the same |
| 13:39.28 | Hailsematary | the answer would be same |
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| 13:39.35 | hramrach_ | hehe, I got an ext3 filesystem with a bad block in the journal. Funny ;-) |
| 13:39.35 | enouf | it's not |
| 13:39.36 | liable | ttl-: np. would like to fix it though. good luck with it, tell me about it if you fix it |
| 13:39.40 | enouf | on both accounts |
| 13:40.31 | stew | Hailsematary: yes, the answer would be the same in this case, in other not, please keep your questions in #ubuntu in any case |
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| 13:40.33 | ttl- | liable: i'll keep you posted :) |
| 13:41.02 | Hailsematary | stew: I asked to #ubuntu also, ok, I'll obey the rules ;) |
| 13:41.07 | liable | ttl-: you can always run a pre-up script for networking to reload the module. its not a good fix, but i t should work |
| 13:41.10 | Hailsematary | thanks for all answers |
| 13:41.21 | hramrach_ | looks like the e2fsck is almost as good as mke2fs in this case. Bazillions of errors |
| 13:41.41 | ttl- | liable: k, thanks |
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| 13:41.54 | enouf | Hailsematary: there's also other channels such as ##linux and ##linux-help for general support (not distro specific) |
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| 13:42.43 | Puck_ | Query. What's the right channel to get help with Iceweasel?? |
| 13:43.01 | hramrach_ | Only Debian has iceweasels |
| 13:43.13 | illio | For some odd reason.. whenever I try to login as one specific user, that one user doesn't get asked his password.. everyone else does.. just not this one user - despite the fact that he has one... so this is kind of a problem when we use ssh quite a lot and we don't just want to have anyone be able to login.. any idea why it's not asking for his password? |
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| 13:43.26 | freet15 | wols_: I didn`t use any drivers from nvidia.com. maybe you type to others? |
| 13:43.37 | Puck_ | Is this the place?? |
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| 13:43.55 | stew | illio: is it possibly using a passwordless ssh key? |
| 13:44.01 | kspath | stew! |
| 13:44.06 | stew | Puck_: yes, this is the place |
| 13:44.19 | Puck_ | OK thanks.. |
| 13:44.21 | kspath | stew++ |
| 13:44.25 | wols_ | freet15: yes. fabio has his nick with a beginning underscore :( |
| 13:44.45 | kspath | I think it has been over 6 months since I came in here |
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| 13:45.33 | freet15 | wols_: :) ok |
| 13:45.40 | Beaver- | bonjour all :) |
| 13:46.03 | Beaver- | c'est le chan fr ? |
| 13:46.27 | enouf | Hailsematary: my bad, the correct channel is ##linuxhelp (no hyphen) |
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| 13:46.57 | liable | !fr |
| 13:46.57 | dpkg | i guess fr is Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez rejoindre le canal #debian-fr sur irc.oftc.net. French users: for help in french, please go to #debian-fr on irc.oftc.net. |
| 13:47.12 | freet15 | Goodnight guys :) |
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| 13:48.10 | Puck_ | When I open Iceweasel it comes up super full screen, wipes out the debian panels top and bottom. 'running lenny & kernel2.6.25-AMD64 |
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| 13:49.11 | Puck_ | I must have a config error? |
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| 13:50.33 | aguitel | where i get debian live cd to try it for first time ? |
| 13:50.53 | neonlightning | Puck_, try pressing F11 |
| 13:51.02 | stew | aguitel: live.debian.net |
| 13:51.10 | Puck_ | OK |
| 13:51.45 | illio | stew, no it's not possible to use empty passwords.. I checked the config |
| 13:51.47 | neonlightning | i mean in iceweasel |
| 13:51.51 | Puck_ | Hey that's better!!! |
| 13:51.55 | neonlightning | k |
| 13:52.13 | Puck_ | how did / what did I do?? |
| 13:52.23 | kspath | illio: .rhosts sshkey other |
| 13:52.23 | neonlightning | iceweasel was just in fullscreen mode |
| 13:52.27 | tralala | Puck_, you disabled the full screen mode |
| 13:52.46 | Puck_ | neonlightning Thanks.. |
| 13:52.52 | neonlightning | np |
| 13:53.00 | stew | illio: which config? |
| 13:53.07 | illio | stew, sshd_config |
| 13:53.16 | aguitel | stew, what the best i can try in this adress ? |
| 13:53.20 | stew | illio: sshd would have no idea if a private key has a password or not |
| 13:53.20 | illio | kspath, excuse me? |
| 13:53.42 | stew | illio: are you logging in with a paaword or a key? |
| 13:53.43 | illio | stew, I don't use private keys.. just username/password |
| 13:54.00 | stew | illio: how did you check that you are not using a key? |
| 13:54.27 | illio | I don't have a key put in place.. but other than that I haven't checked |
| 13:54.48 | stew | illio: show us the output of "ssh -v" when logging into the server when it doesn't ask for a password |
| 13:54.52 | stew | illio: or /msg dpkg debug sshd |
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| 13:56.05 | illio | stew, http://pastebin.com/d3ec9792b |
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| 13:57.15 | stew | illio: i mean if you normally would login with "ssh user@remotehost", show us the output of "ssh -v user@remotehost" instead, for example |
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| 13:57.28 | stew | illio: which would show us with authentication method it is using |
| 13:57.39 | illio | stew, aahh.. make's more sense :-) |
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| 13:59.24 | illio | stew, aah .. oops.. I found the error.. as I said I hadn't put in any keys.. yet apparently another administrator has.. even though he actually has to document that kinda thing!!.. so well you were right before.. I probably just should have checked for the authorized_keys file ;-) |
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| 14:02.06 | Codname | Hi. I would like to install de Debian Etcho on my server, but I would like to configure the kernel modules during the installation process. The default configuration allow me to do that? |
| 14:02.51 | tralala | Codname, how exactly do you plan to configure the kernel modules? |
| 14:02.56 | enouf | configure the modules? yes, it's mentioned how in the Installation Guide |
| 14:03.03 | Codname | I've downloaded the first debian DVD ISO Image. |
| 14:03.20 | kspath | stew++ |
| 14:04.22 | abrotman | Codname: configure to do what? |
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| 14:04.43 | Codname | Some adjusts Like IPX Protocol support |
| 14:05.09 | abrotman | during installation ? |
| 14:05.16 | Codname | yes |
| 14:05.16 | abrotman | did you really just say IPX? |
| 14:05.28 | Codname | Yes IPX Protocol |
| 14:05.59 | abrotman | hears the 80s calling |
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| 14:06.14 | abrotman | Codname: maybe with expert mode |
| 14:06.56 | abrotman | but no idea how you'd configure it to actually work (as opposed to tcp settings) |
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| 14:07.22 | Codname | I'm sorry for this question, but How do I enter in this expert mode? |
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| 14:08.21 | abrotman | hit F1 when the installer starts .. it has help menus |
| 14:08.32 | enouf | !tell Codname -about ig |
| 14:08.44 | neonlightning | i'm just thinking about compiling another copy of the kernel that has realtime |
| 14:08.56 | abrotman | Codname: but really .. no idea how you'd configure it during installation |
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| 14:09.08 | kspath_ | 3C3D |
| 14:09.10 | kspath_ | 5C5D |
| 14:09.13 | kspath_ | 2C2 |
| 14:09.14 | enouf | IINM, the whole guide is on the DVD .. mount it and read it l;-) |
| 14:09.19 | kspath_ | 3F3H |
| 14:09.24 | enouf | kspath_: quit it |
| 14:09.25 | kspath_ | sorry |
| 14:09.30 | abrotman | cat off keyboard please |
| 14:09.47 | Codname | I want a dialog like the "make menuconfig" |
| 14:09.51 | gkiagia | what do I need to do to get audio working in a chroot? should I bind-mount /dev ? it's the first time I use a chroot and it's a bit complex for me... |
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| 14:10.08 | abrotman | Codname: the kernel already has IPX support |
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| 14:10.46 | Codname | But the support is Compiled or a module? |
| 14:10.55 | abrotman | does it matter? |
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| 14:15.13 | Codname | abrotman, I am studying, and my exercise tells me to install Debian and extract or include modules into the Linux Kernel. I have experience with CENTOS and Fedora, but I wanna know if the Debian installation allows these options (the kernel module configuration) |
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| 14:15.43 | Haris | Hello people |
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| 14:15.47 | Haris | what fs type is linux lvm? |
| 14:15.51 | Haris | for running fsck |
| 14:16.02 | stew | Haris: lvm isn't a filesystem |
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| 14:16.21 | stew | Haris: lvm may contain other filesystems |
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| 14:17.38 | gkiagia | never mind, bind-mounting /dev seems to work |
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| 14:18.05 | Haris | damn! |
| 14:18.10 | Haris | how do I run fsck on it? |
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| 14:19.53 | wols_ | Haris: is it your / that you need to run fsck on? |
| 14:20.45 | wols_ | Codname: less /boot/config-(uname -r) will tell you if it's a module or compiled in |
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| 14:21.43 | stew | Haris: you don't run fsck on lvm, but on the filesystems it contains. what exactly are you trying to do? |
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| 14:23.00 | yziquel | hi again. having a "troubleshooting sunday"... I get repeatedly the following on syslog, and I suspect that it crashes my computer too often. I'm using Debian on a HP nx6325. |
| 14:23.01 | yziquel | Aug 17 16:07:48 seldon kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 00(40) |
| 14:23.01 | yziquel | Aug 17 16:07:55 seldon kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
| 14:23.01 | yziquel | Aug 17 16:08:53 seldon kernel: APIC error on CPU0: 40(40) |
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| 14:23.37 | yziquel | Sorry for the flood. Not used to irc. |
| 14:24.52 | Haris | stew: I'v had a mail server's hard drive have some inconsistencies. I'v had the hard drive attached to another linux box, which is lenny/sid |
| 14:24.59 | Haris | there's no -f no -v on fsck on lenny |
| 14:25.02 | Haris | wth?! |
| 14:25.07 | Haris | there is -a |
| 14:25.21 | Haris | have some = show some |
| 14:25.33 | Haris | like running chkdsk on windows xp boxes. |
| 14:25.48 | Haris | small problem, but since I can't run it, its becomming a big issue |
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| 14:27.44 | wols_ | Haris: don't mount your LVM and simply fsck the /dev node |
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| 14:27.58 | Haris | its /dev/hdd |
| 14:28.04 | Haris | ./dev/hdd2 |
| 14:28.10 | wols_ | unlikely if it's LVM |
| 14:28.19 | phlux | Anyone have any problems upgrading libc? |
| 14:28.29 | Haris | that's from dmesg |
| 14:28.31 | wols_ | !tell phlux about anyone |
| 14:28.34 | stew | Haris: no, not the dev node of the pv but the dev node of the lv |
| 14:28.39 | phlux | I can't install the latest version of irssi because of it.. (the irssi in my repo is out of date.) |
| 14:28.43 | wols_ | Haris: mount it and pastebin the output of "mount" then |
| 14:28.57 | phlux | ooookay |
| 14:29.04 | phlux | I can't upgrade libc. |
| 14:29.08 | phlux | any suggestions? |
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| 14:29.15 | wols_ | phlux: what debian do you run and what libc6 do you want to install? |
| 14:29.15 | stew | phlux: why do you want to? |
| 14:29.31 | Haris | hdd: 312581808 sectors (160041 MB) w/8192KiB Cache, CHS=19457/255/63, (U)DMA |
| 14:29.31 | phlux | stew: to run the latest irssi |
| 14:29.31 | Haris | hdd: cache flushes supported |
| 14:29.31 | Haris | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.39 | stew | phlux: aptitude install irssi |
| 14:29.41 | wols_ | Haris: that is irrelevant for your LVM |
| 14:29.47 | phlux | wols_, etc, and I need 2.6-1 |
| 14:29.53 | stew | phlux: are you trying install testing/unstable packages on stable? |
| 14:29.54 | wols_ | phlux: you don't |
| 14:30.06 | Haris | hold on |
| 14:30.14 | wols_ | phlux: installing lenny or sid packages in etch will break your debian. don't do it |
| 14:30.20 | stew | phlux: /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:30.23 | phlux | stew, I downloaded a .deb package from irssi. |
| 14:30.32 | enouf | ugh |
| 14:30.33 | phlux | trying to dpkg -i it. |
| 14:30.36 | stew | phlux: don't |
| 14:30.46 | phlux | Using 'aptitude' it installs 0.8.10 |
| 14:30.59 | stew | phlux: you could also install 0.8.12 with aptitude |
| 14:31.21 | phlux | well using 'aptitude install irssi' only installed .10 with me. |
| 14:31.45 | abrotman | well he left |
| 14:31.46 | wols_ | phlux: that's why stew told you about backports |
| 14:31.49 | stew | phlux: right, becuase you are running stable. there are backports of irssi 0.8.12 for stable, however, /msg dpkg backports |
| 14:32.01 | phlux | Oh, I see. |
| 14:32.03 | Haris | http://pastebin.ca/1176017 |
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| 14:32.34 | phlux | Cool. |
| 14:32.41 | wols_ | Haris: no one asked for that. please do what you were asked |
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| 14:32.54 | phlux | Sorry about the 'noob' like questions.. I'm not used to the way Debian does things.. I've used FreeBSD my entire life. |
| 14:33.17 | enouf | !tell phlux -about grounding |
| 14:33.28 | stew | Haris: yes, those are your Physical Volumes, you would want to fsck your Logical Volumes instead (the ones that you mount, that actually contain a filesystem) |
| 14:33.31 | kspath | kfreebsd still alive? |
| 14:33.45 | stew | Haris: probably something like /dev/mapper/something_something_something |
| 14:34.09 | Haris | stew: Yes, that's how it is mounted on the box its from |
| 14:34.11 | enouf | kspath: visit debian.org/ports IINM |
| 14:34.19 | Haris | the fs should be ext3 I believe |
| 14:34.20 | stew | Haris: what is how it is mounted? |
| 14:34.29 | kspath | enouf: thank you |
| 14:34.33 | stew | Haris: what do you mean by "that's how it is mounted"? |
| 14:34.36 | wols_ | Haris: please mount it and giev us the output of "mount" |
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| 14:35.46 | Haris | fsck -t ext2 -V /dev/hdd2 doesn't help |
| 14:35.53 | Haris | wols_: ah, that, opk |
| 14:36.23 | Haris | # mount -t ext3 /dev/hdd2 /mnt/test/ |
| 14:36.23 | Haris | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdd2, |
| 14:36.37 | Haris | same for ext2 |
| 14:36.48 | zinx | that means it's not ext2/ext3, or there's something wrong with the drive/partition |
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| 14:37.10 | stew | Haris: /dev/hdd2 is your lvm pv, right? |
| 14:37.11 | wols_ | zinx: considering hdd2 is a lvm it's of course no ext2 |
| 14:37.12 | Haris | would -A help? |
| 14:37.15 | Haris | pv? |
| 14:37.16 | zinx | wols_: ah :P |
| 14:37.27 | stew | Haris: physical volume |
| 14:37.47 | wols_ | stew: I doubt he knows what a pv or a lv is |
| 14:37.48 | Haris | the paste of partition table for the hard drive is above |
| 14:37.56 | stew | Haris: read the LVM howto |
| 14:38.11 | stew | Haris: you don't fsck an LVM PV, since it isn't a filesystem |
| 14:38.23 | wols_ | Haris: in the box this disk is normally in, what's in the fstab? |
| 14:38.26 | stew | Haris: you would fsck the LVM LVs, since they are actually containing filsystems |
| 14:38.34 | stew | Haris: if you don't know what a PV or an LV is, read the LVM howto |
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| 14:39.26 | Haris | wols_: Unfortunately it wouldn't boot |
| 14:39.37 | Haris | !LVM howto |
| 14:39.42 | Haris | hmm |
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| 14:39.45 | wols_ | !lvm |
| 14:39.45 | dpkg | lvm is probably the Linux Logical Volume Manager (http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/). Resources: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/, http://dev.riseup.net/grimoire/storage/lvm2/, <lvm_tutorial>, <lvm removedisk>, <lvm movelv>, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/410, http://sources.redhat.com/lvm2/wiki/ IRC: #lvm @ irc.freenode.net. |
| 14:40.12 | kspath | Haris: you can interact with dpkg /msg dpkg lvm |
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| 14:40.27 | Haris | kspath: Does it have !google too? :D |
| 14:40.34 | Haris | j/k |
| 14:41.01 | Haris | getting www.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/docs/HOWTO/other-formats/pdf/LVM-HOWTO.pdf |
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| 14:41.28 | abrotman | Haris: actually .. it does |
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| 14:50.09 | Haris | well, it doesn't help to read the lvm howto. It doesn't mention, how I can find out the FS in case the harddrive has been attached on another box |
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| 14:52.20 | hramrach_ | that's "stable" system: no sensors, no disk monitoring :-S |
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| 14:52.59 | hramrach_ | I guess I will sacrifice xen and do a dist-upgrade :-/ |
| 14:53.43 | ProN00b | does anyone know how to setup openvpn to act just like a proxy ? |
| 14:53.48 | Haris | blkid! |
| 14:53.52 | Haris | maybe can help |
| 14:54.13 | brightwebworks | HAPPY BIRTHDAY For all of you Debian users ;-) |
| 14:54.51 | Haris | does blkid hurt the hard drive/partition in the process? |
| 14:55.30 | hramrach_ | whover goes around here saying stable does not break hardware support compared to testing please stop that |
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| 14:57.15 | lxsameer | hi , where can i get shared_mime_info 0.20? |
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| 14:57.58 | lxsameer | all : ^ |
| 14:59.22 | Haris | I get the following for /dev/hdd1 |
| 14:59.23 | Haris | # blkid /dev/hdd1 |
| 14:59.23 | Haris | /dev/hdd1: LABEL="/boot" UUID="52e99d80-5307-4a31-acba-ad6ef552921c" SEC_TYPE="ext2" TYPE="ext3" |
| 14:59.30 | Haris | but nothing for /dev/hdd2 |
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| 15:03.44 | Bhavesh | need help with dmraid, promis Fastrak100 'lite' with two 20GB identical wdc drives in raid 1 ( mirror right?), dmraid gives me the the following mesg "ERROR: pdc: identifying /dev/hda, magic_0: 0x4c80531/0x4c80531, magic_1: 0xc2f0531/0x0, total_disks: 0" |
| 15:03.56 | Haris | are there any LVM related tools that could help me list/find fs type on a linux lvm partition? |
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| 15:04.29 | Wolfclaw | hi, i was wondering if i should upgrade to sid now that lenny is frozen. Any opinions? |
| 15:04.41 | wols_ | Wolfclaw: no |
| 15:04.49 | wols_ | Wolfclaw: sid will never be testing |
| 15:05.08 | Wolfclaw | ok, so how do i get testing? |
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| 15:05.22 | kspath | lenny is testing until it is stable |
| 15:05.22 | wols_ | Bhavesh: use software raid since that controller is fakeraid |
| 15:05.40 | shamrock | I have an ext3 filesystem on a 16 gig usb stick. How best to encrypt it now? Do I have to reformat and start from scratch? |
| 15:05.44 | Wolfclaw | yes, but when lenny goes stable, wont sid become testing? |
| 15:05.44 | kspath | Wolfclaw: sid is perpetual unstable |
| 15:05.47 | Bhavesh | wols_ isn't dmraid software raid? or i am missing something? |
| 15:05.49 | wols_ | Wolfclaw: and after that a new testing will be made. sid will stay unstable |
| 15:06.02 | Wolfclaw | so i'll have to wait for lenny to go i see |
| 15:06.09 | Wolfclaw | darn it i wanted kde 4 :) |
| 15:06.18 | wols_ | !tell Bhavesh about dmraid |
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| 15:06.56 | Bhavesh | ah! |
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| 15:07.37 | Bhavesh | funny thing is i have seen it work properly before same setup when i was learning/testing |
| 15:07.51 | Bhavesh | now that i am ready to put real drives in, it is not going according to what happend when i was testing |
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| 15:08.49 | Wolfclaw | ok this is weird, when I try to install xchat, i get an option to upgrade several packages via "testing". If this testing is lenny, why didnt it upgrade them when I used aptitude safe-upgrade? |
| 15:08.51 | Haris | what package does lvmdisplay command come with? |
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| 15:09.27 | kspath_ | Haris: apt-cache search lvm |
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| 15:09.51 | real | hi, i got debian lenny and a Intel 3945ABG network card, there's no drivers now by apt-get on non-free ? |
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| 15:10.34 | wols_ | !tell real about iwlwifi |
| 15:10.41 | shamrock | does anyone here encrypt a usb stick with debian? |
| 15:10.42 | zinx | real: the iwlwifi drivers are included in the kernel |
| 15:10.50 | zinx | real: you need the firmware-iwlwifi package though |
| 15:10.57 | zinx | real: (which is in non-free) |
| 15:11.00 | wols_ | !tell shamrock about anyone |
| 15:11.14 | dasorm | hi, i'm looking for a repository which contains a newer version of sounconverter than 1.0.1 or something. How to search for that, when the project page http://soundconverter.berlios.de doesn;t tell? |
| 15:11.34 | Haris | do we have something like vgchange on fedora core? |
| 15:11.38 | Haris | http://www.google.com.pk/search?q=vgchange&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a |
| 15:11.41 | real | thxs zinx |
| 15:11.45 | Haris | vgchange allows you to change the attributes of one or more volume groups. Its main purpose is to activate and deactivate VolumeGroup- Name, or all volum |
| 15:11.46 | shamrock | I will reword. Can anyone here offer advice please on how best to encrypt data on a USB stick under debian. |
| 15:11.47 | wols_ | !tell Haris about search |
| 15:11.55 | Haris | wols_: I did search |
| 15:12.00 | wols_ | shamrock: must it be cross platform compatible? |
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| 15:12.06 | Haris | apt-cache search vgchange doesn't give anything |
| 15:12.07 | wols_ | Haris: then you know the answer |
| 15:12.08 | shamrock | wols_: no. ext3, |
| 15:12.15 | wols_ | Haris: that is the wrong way to search |
| 15:12.20 | Haris | :o |
| 15:12.23 | zinx | shamrock: luks |
| 15:12.28 | kspath_ | Haris: please read what wols sent you |
| 15:12.47 | dasorm | what's a cool repository for multiverse stuff please? |
| 15:12.49 | zinx | shamrock: assuming you want the whole stick encrypted.. otherwise encfs may be more suited to your needs |
| 15:13.16 | wols_ | dasorm: does not exist. debian doesn't have such a thing |
| 15:13.35 | dasorm | uh oh |
| 15:14.07 | wols_ | dasorm: not needed anyways. ubuntu is one cd. debian is 14 cds. see the difference? |
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| 15:14.32 | Fiskah | Whats the easiest way to do a quick benchmark of my servers harddisk? |
| 15:14.45 | zinx | Fiskah: hdparm -tT |
| 15:14.52 | wols_ | bonnie, hdparm |
| 15:14.53 | kspath_ | Haris: I was going to suggest apt-file if you ran out of luck but wols already had dpkg tell you |
| 15:15.04 | Fiskah | thanks :) |
| 15:15.13 | Haris | wow! apt-get update did 254 GEts |
| 15:15.14 | Haris | lol |
| 15:15.32 | Haris | kspath: apt-file not installed. I'll need to install it |
| 15:15.56 | kspath_ | Haris: yes, that is what dpkg says you can do, it is not in dafault install |
| 15:15.59 | Fiskah | How do I find out what device to use? |
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| 15:16.04 | Haris | lvm2 package should help |
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| 15:17.15 | dasorm | anyway here's a new question; which tool does nice conversion mp3 --> wave and is not as disfunctional as an old soundconverter version? |
| 15:17.49 | kspath_ | dasorm: text based interface? gui? |
| 15:17.53 | dasorm | anything |
| 15:18.48 | Zharf | how about lame |
| 15:18.49 | Haris | I think vgchange activated the lvm :-) |
| 15:18.57 | Haris | now I think, I can mount them |
| 15:19.07 | dasorm | i thought lame was encoding, not decoding |
| 15:19.14 | Zharf | it can decode too |
| 15:19.21 | wols_ | dasorm: what debian version exactly? |
| 15:19.25 | Zharf | lame --decode |
| 15:19.33 | dasorm | it's not debian to be honest |
| 15:19.40 | wols_ | Zharf: there is no lame in debian |
| 15:19.58 | Zharf | wols_, debian multimedia for the rescue |
| 15:20.02 | Zharf | s/for/to/ |
| 15:20.03 | wols_ | dasorm: then you are in the wrong channel. please go to your distro's channel. thank you |
| 15:20.14 | wols_ | Zharf: won't help him. he doesn't run debian |
| 15:20.18 | Zharf | so it seems |
| 15:20.21 | Nyle | ping |
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| 15:20.34 | rpag | Nyle: pong |
| 15:20.44 | Nyle | it takes 10 seconds from my text to go from remote to my pc via ssh |
| 15:20.44 | Nyle | damn this is slow |
| 15:20.45 | kspath_ | Nyle: 234562345ms |
| 15:21.05 | Nyle | i'm at a clients right now |
| 15:21.09 | dasorm | zharf: thanks for the hint |
| 15:21.11 | Nyle | damn this ssh is slow i can' teven se |
| 15:21.12 | kspath_ | Nyle: quit using a bounce |
| 15:21.15 | Nyle | e what i type until the whole sentence is d |
| 15:21.18 | Nyle | one really |
| 15:21.29 | Nyle | kspath_, ok |
| 15:21.35 | Haris | got it! |
| 15:21.38 | Nyle | hang on |
| 15:21.40 | rpag | dasorum: What distro are you running? |
| 15:21.57 | Haris | install lvm2 package -> vgchange activated the lvm partition, mount mounted them |
| 15:21.59 | Haris | :D |
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| 15:22.13 | kspath_ | Haris: congratulations! |
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| 15:22.39 | Haris | I wonder if I should unmount to run fsck |
| 15:22.47 | Nyle | irssi for w32 |
| 15:22.49 | kspath_ | Haris: you must |
| 15:22.50 | wols_ | Haris: fsck won't work when mounted |
| 15:23.06 | wols_ | Haris: check "mount" to see as what it is mounted. and use that for fsck |
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| 15:23.23 | kspath_ | Haris: df -hT;df -hiT |
| 15:23.26 | Haris | hmm |
| 15:23.35 | Haris | fsck doesn't run, just pastes output, like its clean |
| 15:23.40 | Haris | how do I force it? there's no -f |
| 15:23.54 | wols_ | there is no force needed. why would there? |
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| 15:24.19 | dasorm | i run ubuntu and i'm proud! |
| 15:24.22 | Haris | well, it is available on fc and rhel. It gives me an option to check those partitions, which fsck would normally consider clean |
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| 15:24.37 | abrotman | dasorm: go tell #ubuntu |
| 15:24.49 | Haris | dasorm: die! bot |
| 15:24.51 | dasorm | abrotman: they don't listen |
| 15:24.56 | xand | dasorm: and we don't care |
| 15:25.02 | wols_ | dasorm: and we get angry if you continue |
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| 15:25.15 | dasorm | hey you asked |
| 15:25.16 | Haris | watchout! wols_ has quite a temper |
| 15:25.18 | Haris | :S |
| 15:25.25 | xand | or rather "you're proud you can't install debian?" |
| 15:25.50 | Haris | ok, hmm, forcing fsck, hmm |
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| 15:26.30 | wols_ | Haris: why can't you just unmount it and fack <lvm to fsck>? |
| 15:27.00 | Haris | wols_: I already unmounted it |
| 15:27.12 | Haris | and didn't understand the 2nd part |
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| 15:27.58 | Haris | fsck /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 |
| 15:28.06 | Haris | ./dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00: clean, 143527/38797312 files, 24835873/38772736 blocks |
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| 15:28.24 | Haris | I don't know how to force it to re-check a clean volume |
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| 15:28.45 | stoned | hey |
| 15:28.47 | stoned | here I am |
| 15:28.54 | Haris | damn, the guy with the box is offline |
| 15:28.59 | stoned | hm |
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| 15:30.07 | ekpyrotic | Guys. I'm a newb. Which architecture do I need; I'm running AMD Turion64 X2 |
| 15:30.21 | Haris | ekpyrotic: What .. the aho? |
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| 15:31.05 | Haris | ekpyrotic: check if the box uses 64bit processors or 32bit. Use the relevant |
| 15:31.07 | wols_ | ekpyrotic: how much RAM? |
| 15:31.28 | wols_ | Haris: turion is always 64bit. especially dual cores. doesn't mean he should 64bit tho |
| 15:31.31 | abrotman | ekpyrotic: amd64 or i386 |
| 15:31.49 | abrotman | Haris: you mean .. besides the fact he called it a Turion*64* ? |
| 15:31.50 | ekpyrotic | Yeah, I didn't know which one. Is there pros and cons? |
| 15:31.53 | Haris | my bad |
| 15:32.08 | wols_ | ekpyrotic: some software like flash and java might make problems in 64bit |
| 15:32.20 | abrotman | though are getting better |
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| 15:32.41 | wols_ | until sun and adobe learn to program, it won't |
| 15:32.48 | ekpyrotic | So choosing i386 is preferable. |
| 15:33.17 | ekpyrotic | Or am I simplifying. |
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| 15:33.55 | SpeedyG_ | Hi, i've got a problem with vlc in debian, I dont get video output while when using other programs, I get it |
| 15:34.19 | wols_ | ekpyrotic: most times yes |
| 15:34.31 | ekpyrotic | Cool, thanks. |
| 15:34.40 | wols_ | ekpyrotic: unless you know 64bit is faster for your workload of have 4GB+, i386 is fine |
| 15:34.47 | wols_ | *or have |
| 15:34.48 | abrotman | wols_: icedtea and gnash |
| 15:35.07 | wols_ | abrotman: gotta take a few hours to laugh. will answer you when I come back |
| 15:35.08 | ekpyrotic | Thanks wols. |
| 15:35.18 | wols_ | gnash. pfft |
| 15:35.19 | abrotman | wols_: good deal |
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| 15:35.26 | abrotman | wols_: i said 'better' .. not perfect |
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| 15:35.58 | wols_ | more like unusable. flash is crap but ít's the only really compatible crap for the stuff on the web |
| 15:36.26 | wols_ | if you go 64bit, even nspluginwrapper is the better deal |
| 15:36.30 | SpeedyG_ | how can I enable divx support for vlc in lenny ? |
| 15:36.36 | Haris | damn! |
| 15:36.50 | abrotman | wols_: gnash is better than swfdec |
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| 15:37.33 | junkDawgie | i have two questions the first would be, has anybody used the Thinstall application VM product and with what kind of results? |
| 15:37.47 | abrotman | huh? |
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| 15:40.54 | Nazz | happy birthday |
| 15:42.07 | rpag | Who's birthday is it? |
| 15:42.33 | abrotman | !debian day |
| 15:42.35 | abrotman | bah |
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| 15:42.48 | abrotman | it was debian's birthday yesterday |
| 15:43.21 | htmlol | oooh nice |
| 15:43.47 | htmlol | dpkg is out of date :D! |
| 15:43.47 | dpkg | htmlol: are you using Windows? |
| 15:43.53 | wols_ | abrotman: gnash doesn't have to be better than swfdec, it has to work at least as badly as adobe flash. and sadly it doesn't even manage that |
| 15:43.55 | abrotman | http://wiki.debian.org/DebianDay2008 |
| 15:44.01 | htmlol | !birthday |
| 15:44.01 | dpkg | The Debian Project was founded by Ian Murdock on August the 16th, 1993. Happy Thirteenth Birthday!, or http://pix.reactionnetworks.com/08_16_03_Debian_Turns_10_Years_Old/640/ http://tomas.ogren.pp.se/gallery/Debian-10 http://ashaman.plus.com/butlershousealbum/debpart |
| 15:44.10 | wols_ | abrotman: "me too" projects never work fully :( |
| 15:44.10 | htmlol | dpkg: I AM NOT USING WINDOWS |
| 15:44.11 | dpkg | htmlol: no idea |
| 15:44.25 | abrotman | wols_: that's why kde sucks :) |
| 15:44.34 | wols_ | abrotman: and gnash |
| 15:44.34 | htmlol | dpkg: ???? |
| 15:44.34 | dpkg | no idea, htmlol |
| 15:44.35 | SpeedyG_ | hm, everytime I try to run some vid. in vlc, I get the following error: http://pastebin.ca/1176116 how can I solve this ? |
| 15:44.42 | wols_ | htmlol: dpkg is a bot |
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| 15:44.44 | abrotman | htmlol: stop fucking with the bot |
| 15:44.53 | htmlol | I know. ok. |
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| 15:45.08 | kspath_ | iceweasel considered a metoo projekt? |
| 15:45.16 | kspath_ | runs and hides |
| 15:45.30 | wols_ | SpeedyG_: is this vlc from debian? if so, check dmm if there is a vlc version there |
| 15:45.33 | wols_ | !tell SpeedyG_ about vlxc |
| 15:45.36 | wols_ | !tell SpeedyG_ about dmm |
| 15:45.57 | wols_ | kspath_: no. it uses the exact same codebase but different pictures |
| 15:46.14 | wols_ | so if ffox has a bug, so does iceweasel |
| 15:46.24 | abrotman | not always |
| 15:46.26 | kspath_ | i know, just teasing |
| 15:48.50 | kspath | !abrotmoo |
| 15:48.50 | dpkg | maaaan! I am abrotmoo, hear me man, I weigh twice as much as moon, I'm a man, eating grass, factoid gas comes out my ass. I'm a man, you are too; join us all! type !moo. |
| 15:49.03 | kspath | that thing is still there? ugh |
| 15:49.09 | SpeedyG_ | wols_: i've just removed dmm from my sources.list, deinstalled all stuff (vlc-related), updated repos and then reinstalled vlc, but still the same error |
| 15:49.53 | chrisjw | can anyone help with a problem downloading the jdk from the sun website? the link is http://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_Developer-Site/en_US/-/USD/VerifyItem-Start/jdk-6u7-linux-i586.bin?BundledLineItemUUID=sidIBe.mN4cAAAEbF3ZAFNFM&OrderID=mg1IBe.mogcAAAEbAXZAFNFM&ProductID=XzBIBe.oxM4AAAEaVJcGcbZW&FileName=/jdk-6u7-linux-i586.bin |
| 15:50.02 | chrisjw | and i've been trying wget <link> -O blah.bin |
| 15:50.07 | abrotman | won't work |
| 15:50.24 | wols_ | SpeedyG_: you shouldn't deinstall dmm stuff. you should install it :P |
| 15:50.38 | chrisjw | yet for some reason it seems to storing the file in my home directory as the file anme with what seems to be header details |
| 15:50.39 | SpeedyG_ | wols_: I had the dmm stuff installed :p |
| 15:50.41 | wols_ | !tell chrisjw about install java |
| 15:50.46 | chrisjw | no |
| 15:50.50 | chrisjw | i know how to install it |
| 15:50.51 | wols_ | chrisjw: don't use the sun jdk directly |
| 15:50.58 | chrisjw | i'd like to know more about the problem though |
| 15:51.13 | wols_ | !tell chrisjw about doesn't work |
| 15:51.17 | wols_ | chrisjw: so far there is no problem |
| 15:51.48 | chrisjw | tbh, my problem has nothing to do with java |
| 15:52.00 | chrisjw | it's to do with downloading a .bin, is it possible you could help me with the problem? |
| 15:52.14 | abrotman | chrisjw: put the URL in quotes ? |
| 15:52.16 | wols_ | since you're to ignorant to actually state the problem: no |
| 15:52.26 | abrotman | he doesn't know how to use wget :) |
| 15:52.41 | chrisjw | yes, that's the problem abrotman |
| 15:52.51 | wols_ | and sun probably wants to check the referer that you really clicked ont their shitty "I agree" button |
| 15:52.56 | wols_ | your wget doesn't do this |
| 15:53.23 | wols_ | or if it' snot the referer it's some other stupid CYA thing done in javascript and other nastiness |
| 15:53.27 | chrisjw | you see it's weird, the file is actually stored with the the correct file size, yet under an unmanageable name |
| 15:53.33 | abrotman | i quoted it .. it started downloading the actual file |
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| 15:53.43 | abrotman | chrisjw: so rename it |
| 15:53.55 | chrisjw | i tried that, i can't work with that file for some reason |
| 15:54.12 | abrotman | use links ? :) |
| 15:54.32 | abrotman | you should be able to rename the file |
| 15:54.34 | chrisjw | i've tried using tinyurl |
| 15:54.56 | chrisjw | but whenever i try to rename, copy etc, it throws multiple lines of [1] 4342 [2] 3424 etc |
| 15:54.56 | abrotman | mv "biglongfilename" foo |
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| 15:55.09 | abrotman | chrisjw: you need to learn about the magic of using quotes |
| 15:55.35 | chrisjw | i see |
| 15:55.42 | SpeedyG_ | wols_: so if you have any options left for me? i've reinstalled the dmm stuff now again.. but it still doesnt work.. still the same error |
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| 15:58.07 | chrisjw | ok, now that problem is sorted, may i ask why using sun java isn't good? |
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| 15:58.37 | abrotman | it's not the Debian Way |
| 15:59.12 | chrisjw | is that all? |
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| 16:00.06 | chrisjw | I was expecting something like compatibility issues etc |
| 16:00.39 | chrisjw | See I was just planning on downloading the bin, creating a package and then installing it that way |
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| 16:03.45 | wols_ | SpeedyG_: vlc should work with xvid (which is just a mpeg4 codec) |
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| 16:04.00 | wols_ | SpeedyG_: vlc has no external codecs, all compiled in |
| 16:04.26 | SpeedyG_ | wols_: seems like some problem with libraries, I found this http://mydebian.blogdns.org/?p=251 where it is explained how to 'solve' it.. no clue if its a clean solution tho |
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| 16:05.16 | wols_ | SpeedyG_: it's clean yes. |
| 16:05.41 | wols_ | SpeedyG_: you mix debian packages and dmm packages. that is the error in a nutshell |
| 16:06.53 | SpeedyG_ | wols_: well, I dont know what went wrong.. but now it seems fixed :) so I'm kinda happy :D |
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| 16:13.15 | Cholito | it is possible to have a bigmem kernel without xen support? |
| 16:13.33 | Cholito | (because of the nvidia thing) |
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| 16:24.13 | Crypticfortune | why might "ntpq -c peers" be failing on me? it waits and times out, apparently not responding. this is my ntp.conf http://rafb.net/p/CA0bcu11.html and "accept from lo" is the first rule in iptables.... |
| 16:24.36 | varlon | hi, where storage of setting in mysql-navigator? |
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| 16:28.30 | zorgan | I'm having problems in booting kernels with initramfs |
| 16:28.44 | zorgan | I just get in the busybox |
| 16:28.58 | zorgan | the weird thing is that there is no /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* |
| 16:29.16 | zorgan | anyone knows anything about this? is this a known issue or something? :/ |
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| 16:30.04 | Crypticfortune | zorgan: sounds like your hard drive controllers drivers aren't in the kernel/initramfs? |
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| 16:33.29 | zorgan | no... |
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| 16:33.47 | zorgan | I can find the partitions under /dev/disk/by-label |
| 16:34.26 | kencausey | Is Daniel Baumann around or anyone who uses Debian Unofficial? For some time now I have been unable to get a working apt key. |
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| 16:35.46 | Crypticfortune | zorgan: funky. im not sure what would cause that... |
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| 16:36.37 | zorgan | yeah, I'm completely desperate by now |
| 16:36.39 | spaceninja | if I install etch now, will I still have testing when everything gets "upgraded"? |
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| 16:37.09 | spaceninja | or will it become stable? |
| 16:37.12 | zorgan | I think I'll just go bac to compiling my own kernel |
| 16:37.17 | Zharf | you can distupgrade from etch to lenny.. |
| 16:37.45 | spaceninja | otherwise I'll become stable? |
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| 16:39.00 | wols_ | spaceninja: if you install etch you will have stable. etch is the current stable |
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| 16:39.07 | spaceninja | oh |
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| 16:39.12 | spaceninja | I meant lenny I gues |
| 16:39.27 | wols_ | spaceninja: depends what is in your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 16:50.13 | lifeman | hi |
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| 16:51.01 | lifeman | what is the best way for see /usr/share/doc compress files? there are something like untar file.tgz | vim ? that let see it directly? |
| 16:51.27 | pingouin | zcat no ? |
| 16:51.29 | cahoot | zcat/zless? |
| 16:51.54 | pingouin | yeah, zless too |
| 16:52.05 | pingouin | thanks cahoot |
| 16:52.14 | vadmeste | lifeman, if you are using "vim", I think that "vim" uncompress automatically the file !! |
| 16:52.20 | lifeman | thanks pingouin and cahoot |
| 16:52.27 | Nyle | !ping |
| 16:52.27 | dpkg | pong |
| 16:52.44 | kencausey | yes, I don't use vim but I have to assume that it has the capability to automatically decompress files |
| 16:53.01 | lifeman | vadmeste, wooo it's true, nice i love vim |
| 16:53.02 | pingouin | vadmeste is right |
| 16:53.05 | humbolt | how can I send a mail to more than one recipient with evolution but in a way, that not everybody sees the complete list of addresses the mail was sent to? |
| 16:53.11 | pingouin | vim do it directly, nice vim ;) |
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| 16:53.20 | kencausey | humbolt: it's called Bcc |
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| 16:53.52 | pingouin | Blind Carbon Copy |
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| 16:54.22 | cahoot | not much carbon involved though? |
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| 16:54.57 | humbolt | kencausey: BCC will only work if there is on TO address. And the mails will show this TO address as recipient instead of the individual BCC address, which is what I would want. I basically want a number of single TO address mails sent out in one run. |
| 16:55.08 | pingouin | maybe i misspell it, you know i'm french ;) and i dont understand why the world dont talk french ;) |
| 16:55.12 | kencausey | humbolt: Put your own address in the to field |
| 16:55.44 | kencausey | pingouin: no, you are right, cahoot was making a joke |
| 16:55.55 | pingouin | i know, i know ;) |
| 16:56.00 | pingouin | me too ;) |
| 16:56.02 | kencausey | :) |
| 16:56.07 | humbolt | kencausey: Still, this is not an individualized email then. I am wondering why standard mail clients don't offer bulk mail functionality. |
| 16:56.19 | kencausey | humbolt: individualized? |
| 16:56.35 | kencausey | humbolt: hmm, bulk email. That's almost a four letter word now. |
| 16:56.56 | humbolt | kencausey: in the sense of having the BCC address shown as the TO address. |
| 16:57.28 | kencausey | humbolt: I really don't get what you are trying to do. You want no To: field at all? |
| 16:57.53 | kencausey | humbolt: And each message has a different body? |
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| 16:58.20 | hoxu | humbolt wants to send as many mails as there are recipients |
| 16:58.33 | hoxu | just give up on that idea |
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| 16:58.41 | hoxu | what benefit do you think that would have? |
| 16:58.53 | humbolt | No I want eg. one email sent to 10 addresses. I want everybody to receive an email with his address in the TO field. End of story. Just like a mailing list does it. |
| 16:58.54 | kencausey | I don't get that, there will in effect be as many emails as there are recipients |
| 16:59.15 | kencausey | humbolt: Oh, I see now |
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| 16:59.26 | hoxu | humbolt, see what I said, you'll have to send as many mails as there are recipients |
| 16:59.46 | humbolt | kencausey: You get it? It is something different to receive the copy of a mail or to receive an email addressed TO you! |
| 17:00.06 | kencausey | humbolt: Is this something you need to do once or repeatedly? |
| 17:00.07 | hoxu | humbolt, it's a stupid thing to do, but you can do it with a one-liner in bash using mailx |
| 17:00.13 | kencausey | yes |
| 17:00.40 | kencausey | there are many options from the command line, I use Evolution but nothing for that comes to mind, I've not tried to do any batch emailing with it |
| 17:00.55 | humbolt | hoxu: I don't get why my Email program can not do that for me. I believe this is something many people need sometimes. |
| 17:01.01 | kencausey | this is sort of form letter capability |
| 17:01.32 | kencausey | humbolt: Like when? Most people don't care about what the headers show |
| 17:01.37 | hoxu | humbolt, it's a stupid thing to do, because you'll be sending N mails instead of dropping one mail to be delivered to the SMTP |
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| 17:02.17 | kencausey | humbolt: Also for a mailing list your own address is NOT in the To: field, the mailing address of the list is. |
| 17:02.17 | humbolt | kencausey: most people don't care much about emails that show 100 addresses in the header (many email programs list them in full by default!) |
| 17:02.27 | kencausey | humbolt: That's what Bcc is for |
| 17:02.55 | hoxu | humbolt, you have a solution, if you insist on finding one in evolution, write a patch |
| 17:03.02 | humbolt | I'll do it in BCC with some bogus in TO, will that work? |
| 17:03.31 | kencausey | It's bad behavior and you will get a bounceback, but it should technically work. |
| 17:03.39 | kencausey | Again, why not just put your own address in the to: field? |
| 17:03.55 | kencausey | That will work, it's not rude, and they get just the same information they already get from the from: field |
| 17:04.06 | humbolt | kencausey: I'll do that. |
| 17:04.08 | kencausey | It's also not that unusual |
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| 17:13.53 | hedgehoginfog | Am I right thinking I no longer need to specify my DNS servers in /etc/resolv.conf but instead in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:14.22 | wols_ | hedgehoginfog: you can in either |
| 17:15.30 | hedgehoginfog | wols_, well, first of all there written in resolv.conf DON'T CHANGE blahblahblah, your changes will be overwritten and that's true coz after i reboot the file was cleared |
| 17:15.41 | wols_ | if you use dhcp, yes |
| 17:15.51 | hedgehoginfog | wols_, no, I don't use dhcp |
| 17:15.52 | wols_ | !resolv.conf |
| 17:15.52 | dpkg | from memory, resolv.conf is /etc/resolv.conf, resolver configuration file that contains your nameserver IPs. It's written by DHCP client. To use different nameservers than those provided by DHCP, use eg. "supersede domain-name-servers 127.0.0.1;" in /etc/dhcp/dhclient.conf. You can also "prepend" or "append" instead of "supersede". |
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| 17:16.32 | hedgehoginfog | I specified them on my own, but after i reboot the file was clean! |
| 17:17.13 | morbyte1 | hi. im not able to burn dvd by using gnomebaker. havent found a good tut either. ideas anyone? |
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| 17:18.36 | hedgehoginfog | morbyte1, does it say that 'you are physically unable to do that' or rather provide you with some useful information? :) |
| 17:19.04 | hedgehoginfog | maybe title string it too long or smth like that |
| 17:19.40 | morbyte1 | hedgehoginfog: in gb preferences, scanning for devices wont bring up anything |
| 17:20.20 | morbyte1 | hedgehoginfog: when clicking burn, it tells: ":-( unable to open64("/dev/cdrom",O_RDONLY): No such file or directory" |
| 17:20.29 | hedgehoginfog | morbyte1, so can you burn it with mkisofs? |
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| 17:20.36 | hedgehoginfog | aha |
| 17:21.05 | morbyte1 | hedgehoginfog: never tried... wanted to try "easy" way first |
| 17:21.40 | morbyte1 | hedgehoginfog: i entered the device by hand (guessing the params) |
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| 17:22.21 | hedgehoginfog | morbyte1, why did you have to do that? |
| 17:22.26 | hedgehoginfog | what kernel are you running? |
| 17:22.40 | morbyte1 | Linux darthvader 2.6.25.20080813 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Aug 13 02:49:20 CEST 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:22.47 | morbyte1 | *cough* custom made |
| 17:23.05 | phlux | w00t..got KDE looking like OSX.. using kxdocker for the menu :D |
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| 17:24.04 | abrotman | morbyte1: does it work with a Debian kernel ? |
| 17:24.05 | hedgehoginfog | morbyte1, why didn't your cdrom get automatically detected? |
| 17:24.32 | morbyte1 | abrotman: gonna check that... but needs reboot... --- good idea :) |
| 17:24.55 | morbyte1 | morbyte1: how should i know ? :) im close-to-newbie |
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| 17:25.37 | Blue_Mousey | i've never heard of a term "close-to-newbie"... i mean... how can you not achieve "newbie" level yet? |
| 17:25.53 | Blue_Mousey | Don't you start at that level... |
| 17:25.56 | Supaplex | he's a seasoned noobie ;) |
| 17:26.15 | morbyte1 | Blue_Mousey: uhm, maybe im just-a-bit-above-total-newbie :) |
| 17:26.23 | morbyte1 | <--- non-native speaker |
| 17:26.39 | hedgehoginfog | Blue_Mousey, perhaps it's close to a newbie, but above it :) |
| 17:26.51 | Blue_Mousey | morbyte1, you mean you are a newbie with some experience |
| 17:27.04 | morbyte1 | yeah. |
| 17:27.04 | thms | is there a way to know what is listening on port 80 ? With netstat I get tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:80 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN - but what is listening to the port 80, ive no web server |
| 17:27.09 | Blue_Mousey | in short: newbie-with-xp |
| 17:27.24 | kencausey | thms: see the -p option of netstat |
| 17:28.23 | thms | kencausey: I used netstat -ntpl |
| 17:28.36 | morbyte1 | with a debian kernel, installing brasero would be suffient, as the rest would happen automagically? (perms for device, automounting etc?) |
| 17:28.42 | morbyte1 | brb |
| 17:28.51 | kencausey | thms: well, so you got a process number rather than name, compare it to ps auwx |
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| 17:29.24 | thms | kencausey: I've no process number / name, see the output I gave, only "-" is displayed |
| 17:30.18 | kencausey | thms: I don't see a t option |
| 17:30.44 | kencausey | thms: try just -pl |
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| 17:32.39 | thms | kencausey: still nothing |
| 17:32.56 | kencausey | thms: are you super-user? |
| 17:33.02 | newsense | thms lsof -i tcp -p 80 |
| 17:33.16 | kencausey | yes, lsof is good |
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| 17:33.43 | thms | kencausey: of course |
| 17:34.01 | newsense | ;) |
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| 17:35.23 | kencausey | thms: Did you try newsense's lsof invocation? |
| 17:35.47 | thms | yeah, just tried, it works, thanks :) |
| 17:35.59 | kencausey | what did it turn out to be? |
| 17:36.04 | thms | HTS |
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| 17:36.19 | morbyte1 | re |
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| 17:41.38 | dummies_freelanc | news on md300 of sony ericsson in linux? |
| 17:42.19 | morbyte1 | uhm. with a debian kernel im able to burn. so i might have deactivated the wrong option. any idea where to search or how to quickly compare two kernel config files? |
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| 17:43.16 | SamuraiDio | hi |
| 17:43.32 | SamuraiDio | does someone knows where sonata stores album-art files? |
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| 17:44.44 | htmlol | alright this is weird |
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| 17:46.48 | kencausey | SamuraiDio: look at the output of dpkg -L for the appropriate package perhaps? |
| 17:47.03 | dummies_freelanc | morbyte1 with 2.6.24-1 |
| 17:47.23 | htmlol | I was just watching a movie on my laptop with firefox and irssi open. I had been idly pressing the F2,3,4,5 etc. keys into irssi (which doesn't do anything), when my screen went black and my internet shut off. |
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| 17:47.29 | morbyte1 | dummies_freelanc: Linux darthvader 2.6.25-2-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 14 11:05:23 UTC 2008 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:47.32 | samplr | I have two binary files. I want to do something like grep or substring with them, but they're binary so grep just tells me there's a match; I want to know the byte offset. |
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| 17:47.40 | humbolt | what is a Return-Path in the context of email headers? |
| 17:47.57 | htmlol | anyone know what happened or what I should do? |
| 17:48.12 | dummies_freelanc | i need make work modem 3g hsdpa |
| 17:48.20 | dummies_freelanc | sony ericsson md 300 |
| 17:48.24 | dummies_freelanc | how to-1 |
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| 17:49.08 | samplr | htmlol: my laptop has "Fn" keys there. one kills internet, one shuts off my screen, one puts it to sleep, etc |
| 17:49.19 | xand | !nat |
| 17:49.20 | dpkg | Network Address Translation. See also <ipmasq>, or patented by CISCO, or ipmasq is not exactly like NAT, the former is more flexible while the latter gains widely recognition. See also <netfilter docs> or $BROWSER /usr/share/doc/iptables/html/NAT-HOWTO-4.html#ss4.1, or http://www.cs.utk.edu/~moore/what-nats-break.html, or configured easily with a GUI using either the 'guidedog' or 'guarddog' packages. |
| 17:49.25 | zythmer | morbyte1: diff the kernel configs and optionally sort if they are in a different order. |
| 17:49.28 | xand | !ipmasq |
| 17:49.29 | dpkg | If all you want is NAT (internet connection sharing), aptitude install ipmasq; and be happy. Otherwise learn about it at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/IP-Masquerade-HOWTO/index.html |
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| 17:49.57 | samplr | htmlol: I have to hold a key labeled "Fn" then hit the F__ key |
| 17:50.39 | htmlol | samplr: yeah mine has some media controls and other stuff, but I definitely wasn't pressing the fn key... |
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| 17:51.11 | samplr | htmlol: maybe your laptop does it a little differently |
| 17:52.09 | htmlol | well I've used them before- most of them don't do anytning. onlyone that has worked was the brightness, which I use all the time |
| 17:52.17 | samplr | topic reminds me I didn't make it to the 10th birthday, and my local LUG even got Ian to show up |
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| 17:55.40 | htmlol | so I guess I should just sysrq then, huh |
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| 18:02.42 | moauud | can any one give me a screenshot that shows the version of gnome pleaze |
| 18:03.01 | abrotman | moauud: packages.debian.org is probably a better place to look |
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| 18:03.30 | moauud | i know but i want to know if lenny use gnome 2.20 or 2.22 |
| 18:04.24 | wols_ | moauud: then do what abrotman told you |
| 18:04.24 | cahoot | 2.22 |
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| 18:04.46 | abrotman | moauud: it's parts of each |
| 18:05.53 | moauud | wols_ : i did already but i need a screenshot to give it to my friend because he told me that debian use gnome-lib 2.20 sow debian lenny use gnome 2.20 |
| 18:06.50 | wols_ | give him a screenshot of pdo showing 2.22 in lenny then |
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| 18:07.11 | moauud | i don't have debian right now |
| 18:07.16 | moauud | so i need your help |
| 18:07.23 | moauud | it's just a screenshot |
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| 18:08.16 | abrotman | moauud: i just told you .. it's a mix of .20 and .22 currently |
| 18:08.51 | moauud | abrotman : but mix thing in that way make it unstable right ?? |
| 18:09.02 | htmlol | well. |
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| 18:09.17 | htmlol | I just had to reboot my computer via magic sysrq |
| 18:09.32 | htmlol | after a weird kind of crash thing |
| 18:10.00 | htmlol | so which log should I check to see what went wrong? |
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| 18:12.17 | abrotman | moauud: seems fine here |
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| 18:12.59 | moauud | abrotman : thanks man for the information |
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| 18:14.42 | yziquel | ls |
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| 18:17.10 | chrisjw | if i want to run tomcat and have it accept connections from port 80, i have to run as super user?? |
| 18:17.32 | chrisjw | i was under the impression that running any inbound service on super user was stupidly dangerous |
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| 18:18.42 | dvs | chrisjw: I think that's true of any program that want a port number of under 1024 |
| 18:19.21 | chrisjw | i've just read this but i'm not to happy about running a web server as root ... does this not seem a little strange to anyone? or am i looking too far into ths? |
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| 18:19.46 | wols_ | chrisjw: usually the actual workers drop root priviledges. e.g. do a ps aux |grep apache. one apache runs as root, the othres as www-data |
| 18:19.57 | wols_ | it is not strange but necessary |
| 18:20.05 | wols_ | only root can open ports < 1024 |
| 18:20.07 | carp3 | chrisjw, as i know. Tomcat run files under another user( www-data in debian ) |
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| 18:22.17 | zythmer | chrisjw: Or you can have it listen on a port >= 1024 as a non-root user and then have iptables redirect incoming connections to port 80 to the port you chose. |
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| 18:23.33 | sol1dus | when i try to install debianeee on my eee pc, i get "unable to mount root" and a kernel panic |
| 18:23.54 | dmoerner | !tell sol1dus -about eee |
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| 18:24.22 | sol1dus | thanks |
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| 18:29.12 | nubbun | How do I install packages inspite of hash mismatches? |
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| 18:37.12 | phlux | I'm so glad I went with Debian |
| 18:37.50 | phlux | Migrated from using FreeBSD as my laptop's second OS (Vista being the 1st for work purposes) to using Debian.. couldn't be happier. |
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| 18:39.58 | l0calh0st | Hello |
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| 18:40.16 | peter_12 | phlux: :) |
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| 18:40.26 | squisher | hey guys, if I have linux-tree installed, does make-kpkg use the debian kernel patches? |
| 18:40.41 | l0calh0st | Someone know why my installation od Debian testing is stoping at "dhcp3-commont" package? |
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| 18:40.56 | l0calh0st | *of debian.. |
| 18:41.26 | l0calh0st | I wait eg. 20 min's... |
| 18:41.44 | {Matteo} | I installed debian and my laptop spewed smoke... halp |
| 18:41.45 | squisher | l0calh0st, just CTRL-C it, and restart the install. That might help |
| 18:42.09 | l0calh0st | squisher: no, i did it |
| 18:42.29 | l0calh0st | but its not give me result |
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| 18:42.35 | squisher | {Matteo}, if your laptop is burning, then debian should be te least of your concerns :-P |
| 18:42.53 | cahoot | or the last |
| 18:43.08 | {Matteo} | yeah i know... btw debian worked well on it... I miss my laptop now |
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| 18:44.04 | {Matteo} | I was curious if anyone knew where to get a crap laptop in the US, where would be the best place to look |
| 18:44.48 | squisher | {Matteo}, depend on what you do with it, look into the new atom based ones -> light and cheap |
| 18:45.43 | dmoerner | {Matteo}, you could try craigslist |
| 18:45.43 | {Matteo} | basic desktop environment, wireless networking support, preferably long battery life and cheap... very cheap lol |
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| 18:46.03 | dmoerner | or get a refurb online |
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| 18:48.30 | Vi^3PP | i did and update recently on lenny and the glibc resolver was added? my resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten.. ive read what i could find on the man pages... and the linked file i went to and it says the same thing about not writing to this file or it will be overwritten.. how can i make my changes stick so i can stop rewriting to this file everytime i boot up |
| 18:49.57 | dmoerner | Vi^3PP, what changes do you want to be persistent? |
| 18:50.06 | Vi^3PP | nameserver 4.2.2.2 |
| 18:50.13 | dmoerner | do you use dhcp |
| 18:50.15 | Vi^3PP | no |
| 18:50.15 | xingu_ | installs etch into a virtual pc 2k7 instance and feels less clean somehow |
| 18:50.37 | Vi^3PP | gm dmoerner btw |
| 18:50.40 | abrotman | does it still emulate an s3 ? |
| 18:50.50 | dmoerner | i use dhcp and just add prepend domain-name serverx x.x.x.x; to /etc/dhcp3/dhclient.conf |
| 18:50.53 | {Matteo} | damn my university wants ~1k for their cheapest laptop |
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| 18:51.11 | Vi^3PP | let me look there dmoerner |
| 18:51.29 | dmoerner | Vi^3PP, s/serverx/servers/ |
| 18:52.29 | unixSnob | drives that are not configured in auto.master are being automounted anyway (eg. /media/usbdisk), and the hdd is not being mounted with the permissions that I want. How can I control this? |
| 18:52.30 | hoxu | !tell Vi^3PP about resolv.conf |
| 18:52.32 | Vi^3PP | dmoerner, actually that line is in that file but is not working on reboots |
| 18:52.56 | hoxu | no wait, not using dhcp? |
| 18:53.20 | hoxu | !tell Vi^3PP about resolvconf |
| 18:53.23 | hoxu | that one maybe? ;) |
| 18:53.37 | xingu_ | abrotman: with a bit of kicking I think it does - the usual sort-of virge crap. |
| 18:53.54 | abrotman | hopefully there's an option now |
| 18:55.09 | xingu | abrotman: I'm under orders to retire a system out of the AV stack (a vaio c1ve that's been nursing along as an http proxy/dnscache/ 6in4 gateway |
| 18:57.29 | xingu | abrotman: ... hence the stuff that needs sandboxing is about to shift into a virtual etch |
| 18:58.00 | Vi^3PP | hoxu, ty i made the one change i hope it sticks this time |
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| 19:00.47 | unixSnob | How can I find out what process triggers the mounting of a given container? |
| 19:00.48 | Codname | Hello, Does anyone know the Sysctl key to define that log messages does not appear in tty terminals? |
| 19:01.45 | hoxu | !tell Codname about printk |
| 19:01.54 | abrotman | unixSnob: what? |
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| 19:02.57 | AndreSTC | everytime im trying to install lenny it freezes while detecting hardware |
| 19:03.04 | AndreSTC | loading module 'usb-storage' |
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| 19:03.19 | g0to | hello there! |
| 19:03.38 | unixSnob | abrotman: i have a volume (/dev/sdb1) that something is mounting. I need to find out what is causing it to get mounted. |
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| 19:03.58 | ravn | hey people, I'm trying to setup at backup solution at home where I have only one Debian PC that I would like to back up to DVD (RW). I'm looking now at flexbackup, which seems nice. But I do not understand what they mean by prune? What is done to a directory that is marked for prune? |
| 19:04.23 | abrotman | unixSnob: your fstab ? |
| 19:04.46 | xingu | hmm, cute, etch r4a/i386 tasksel barfs if only "standard system" is selected (fails to configure dictionary) |
| 19:04.57 | hoxu | unixSnob, usbmount? Check syslog? |
| 19:04.58 | unixSnob | abrotman: no, the fstab does not specify that device |
| 19:05.05 | abrotman | gnome? |
| 19:05.14 | g0to | abrotman: do you know if there's any issu using ntfs-3f and fstab? |
| 19:05.16 | ravn | and also what is generally the difference between incremental and differential backup? Is differential backup replaced each time, whine incremental saves eveyting each time or what? |
| 19:05.23 | abrotman | g0to: nope |
| 19:05.23 | xingu | netinst (small cd) |
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| 19:05.42 | DawnLight | is kvm production ready for things like rental VPS'? |
| 19:05.42 | g0to | abrotman: I mean, automounting NTFS filesystems in fstab |
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| 19:06.30 | abrotman | g0to: you're assuming i access ntfs volumes from linux |
| 19:06.53 | g0to | abrotman: not, just assuming you are good in all :) |
| 19:07.23 | abrotman | g0to: i'm sure people do it .. you just have to feed all the correct options |
| 19:07.41 | unixSnob | hoxu: i don't seem to have a usbmount command. syslog does not show any usb mounting activity |
| 19:07.57 | g0to | abrotman: I think debian only uses mount command to mount volumes in fstab |
| 19:08.18 | hoxu | unixSnob, do you use kde or gnome? |
| 19:08.30 | g0to | abrotman: but I need it to use ntfs-3g to do it or it doesn't work |
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| 19:08.56 | abrotman | i'm sure ntfs-3g has docs how to do this |
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| 19:09.45 | g0to | abrotman: I tried, but can't make it works |
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| 19:09.52 | unixSnob | hoxu: gnome |
| 19:10.11 | g0to | abrotman: maybe I cant execute ntfs-3g mounting at startup |
| 19:10.22 | abrotman | g0to: i really don't use ntfs-3g |
| 19:10.41 | xingu | man, it's so easy to bootstrap debian these days |
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| 19:10.52 | g0to | abrotman: you know an easy way to execute commands at startup? |
| 19:11.07 | abrotman | !run at startup |
| 19:11.08 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README, or as a user you can also use a cron entry with @reboot, or add it to /etc/rc.local |
| 19:11.49 | g0to | abrotman: thanks, I will try |
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| 19:15.25 | unixSnob | wonders if there is another type of autofs running, conflicting with autofs |
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| 19:15.49 | dvs | udev? |
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| 19:16.10 | zythmer | ravn: There are at least two contexts for prune. One is in terms of doing a depth first search. Once you hit a directory marked for pruning, you skip it and don't go any further down (i.e. no child directories of it). The other prune for bacula refers to entries in the catalog. It removes a catalog entry which is a pointer to the data in order to save space. You can always scan the volume to find it later at the expense of lookup time. |
| 19:16.14 | Gumby | hi all, I am trying to figure out what I need to do to resolve a package conflict. I've rolled my own mythtv packages and am geting some conflicts. How must I set the version so I dont get this.... |
| 19:16.19 | Gumby | mythvideo depends on libmyth-0.21-0 (>= 0.21.0+fixes16838); however: |
| 19:16.19 | Gumby | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:16.55 | zythmer | ravn: Bacula is a network backup similar to amanda. It's probably overkill in your case but you may like some of their documentation/wiki. It covers a lot of the concepts for backup systems even if flexbackup doesn't support everything. |
| 19:16.59 | unixSnob | dvs: you might be on to something there.. I'm not familiar with udev, but I have a /etc/udev folder |
| 19:17.04 | AndreSTC | if i install the basic system, is there a way to install the "desktop package" after the instalation? when im on the system already |
| 19:17.35 | xingu | watches his virtual ide controller virtually barf |
| 19:17.37 | dvs | AndreSTC: try "tasksel" |
| 19:17.42 | dvs | (if it's still there) |
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| 19:18.52 | ThreeFinity | Can somebody please help me? My cdrom is mounting very slow (7 minutes), it doesn't automount, and it can't seem to burn an image to a blank cd. |
| 19:19.03 | zythmer | ravn: Also, consider using DVD-RAM instead of DVD+/-RW. Tapes are still the best but of course sequential and expensive. You can get DVD-RAMs for $1-2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD-RAM |
| 19:20.39 | unixSnob | !tell me about udev |
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| 19:22.19 | ThreeFinity | anybody please? I'd like to be able to burn this image I have lol. The drive works fine under windows, and worked fine to do the linux install. But now it's horrible |
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| 19:24.56 | unixSnob | ThreeFinity: define 'horrible |
| 19:25.23 | ThreeFinity | takes 7 minutes to mount a cd |
| 19:25.26 | ThreeFinity | won't burn |
| 19:25.32 | ThreeFinity | has to be manually mounted |
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| 19:25.55 | ThreeFinity | but outside of my linux install it works great |
| 19:26.01 | unixSnob | You're mounting a blank CD? you don't need to do that |
| 19:26.17 | ThreeFinity | brasero wasn't detecting the disc so I mounted it |
| 19:26.50 | unixSnob | i believe the device must be unmounted to burn |
| 19:27.07 | ThreeFinity | it never mounted technically |
| 19:27.18 | ThreeFinity | mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/scd0, |
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| 19:27.25 | ThreeFinity | oops |
| 19:27.26 | ThreeFinity | lol |
| 19:27.57 | unixSnob | gnomebaker works by using dd to simply copy the bits to the unmounted device |
| 19:28.12 | ThreeFinity | hmm |
| 19:28.20 | unixSnob | and i suspect all cd burning tools would do the same |
| 19:28.26 | ThreeFinity | any guesses as to why it takes like 5-7 minutes to mount anything ? |
| 19:28.39 | stew | unixSnob: no, they don't use dd, they use wodim |
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| 19:28.53 | stew | ThreeFinity: are there messages in dmesg? |
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| 19:28.59 | stew | ThreeFinity: what exactly are you trying to mount? |
| 19:29.02 | unixSnob | 5-7 minutes, followed by failure? |
| 19:29.20 | ThreeFinity | I don't know, and general cd's, burned and commercial |
| 19:29.27 | ThreeFinity | no followed by success |
| 19:29.40 | ThreeFinity | that one was a failure because it's a blank cd |
| 19:29.41 | unixSnob | stew: gnomebaker has an option to see the commands it's using.. it uses dd |
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| 19:31.58 | unixSnob | perhaps dd is an alias for wodim? i think i recall the actuall command being dd_<something> |
| 19:32.08 | stew | no |
| 19:32.32 | simonrvn | dd isn't an alias |
| 19:33.07 | unixSnob | simonrvn: what about dd_<something>? |
| 19:33.13 | stew | dd is a simple tool for copying data, wodim is a very complex tool for burning cds |
| 19:33.24 | unixSnob | wishes he could recall what the <soemthing> was |
| 19:33.29 | simonrvn | for wodim? no. |
| 19:33.39 | ThreeFinity | gnoembaker uses wodim btw |
| 19:33.45 | stew | when i install gnomebaker it only seems to have one option which is wodim |
| 19:33.48 | ThreeFinity | I'm using it right now and it's complaining abuot wodim stuff |
| 19:34.11 | ThreeFinity | wodim: Operation not permitted. Warning: Cannot raise RLIMIT_MEMLOCK limits.scsidev: '/dev/sr0' |
| 19:34.11 | ThreeFinity | devname: '/dev/sr0' |
| 19:34.11 | ThreeFinity | scsibus: -2 target: -2 lun: -2 |
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| 19:34.33 | ThreeFinity | Error trying to open /dev/sr0 exclusively (Device or resource busy)... retrying in 1 second. |
| 19:34.50 | ThreeFinity | does that help any ? |
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| 19:34.59 | unixSnob | stew: if you burn a CD with gnomebaker, and ask for verbose output, it shows internally the command issued is something like 'dd if=yourimage of=/dev/hda' (if /dev/hda is the drive) |
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| 19:35.28 | stew | i don't believe it |
| 19:35.43 | thms | Which graphic torrent client should I use ? I really don't like the new version of Azureus |
| 19:35.43 | ThreeFinity | I clicked show output |
| 19:35.48 | ThreeFinity | and it said it's using wodim |
| 19:35.56 | ThreeFinity | I like Deluge thms |
| 19:36.06 | ThreeFinity | nice and simple gui, works great |
| 19:36.09 | unixSnob | witnessed it on gnomebaker 0.6.0 |
| 19:36.26 | squisher | unixSnob, stew, I think I've seen it too |
| 19:36.27 | ThreeFinity | I'm on 0.6.2 |
| 19:36.30 | simonrvn | azureus is a slow pos |
| 19:36.33 | squisher | does a shameless plug for xfburn |
| 19:36.37 | ThreeFinity | yes azureus sucks |
| 19:36.51 | ThreeFinity | sadly no burning application is helping me |
| 19:36.55 | ThreeFinity | it can't seem to write to the device |
| 19:36.57 | CoolCold | hello |
| 19:37.04 | ThreeFinity | hi CoolCold |
| 19:37.11 | CoolCold | this could be found in sar's manual: |
| 19:37.12 | CoolCold | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:37.18 | unixSnob | thms: yeah, the new azureus is lousy commercialized junk |
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| 19:37.25 | CoolCold | oh f*ck |
| 19:37.29 | ThreeFinity | lol |
| 19:37.29 | squisher | ThreeFinity, xfburn uses libburn as a backend, so it might behave differently from most others |
| 19:37.36 | CoolCold | sorry for this |
| 19:37.39 | simonrvn | people, ffs, stop pasting in here |
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| 19:38.09 | thms | unixSnob: what do you use instead ? IS there a way to keep the last good version ? |
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| 19:38.42 | squisher | thms, I've been running the "old" version of azureus w/o problems for a long time now |
| 19:38.48 | neonlightning | thms, i say transmission |
| 19:38.56 | CoolCold | so there is no exact description - which requests are displayed - logical or others |
| 19:39.28 | thms | squisher: Yeah but this is a fresh install and it's been a long time I didnt used debian, can you tell me how to do to keep the "old" version ? |
| 19:39.30 | squisher | transmission is nice, but doesn't have a lot of options |
| 19:39.35 | thms | neonlightning: let's take a loot |
| 19:40.30 | neonlightning | thms, i prefer linkage but i can't find a precomipled version of it other then for fedora and its an outdated version and the program is a pain to compile normally |
| 19:40.40 | neonlightning | so i go with transmission |
| 19:40.45 | ThreeFinity | xfburn is broken lol |
| 19:40.50 | ravn | zythmer: thanx! I'll look it up |
| 19:40.54 | ThreeFinity | (xfburn:20630): Gtk-CRITICAL **: gtk_combo_box_get_active_text: assertion `GTK_IS_COMBO_BOX (combo_box)' failed |
| 19:41.01 | ThreeFinity | I get that when I hit burn |
| 19:41.18 | squisher | ThreeFinity, this is with what release? |
| 19:41.34 | ThreeFinity | xfburn 0.2.0 |
| 19:41.47 | squisher | ThreeFinity, that's super old, you need to at least go to testing to find something usable |
| 19:41.54 | unixSnob | thms: rtorrent. it's a great CLI tool. |
| 19:41.55 | ThreeFinity | ah |
| 19:42.03 | thms | neonlightning: I'm trying it ATM, thanks |
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| 19:42.08 | unixSnob | gtg |
| 19:42.10 | thms | unixSnob: will take a look too :) |
| 19:42.18 | g0to | anyone knows an app to change label of a disk? |
| 19:42.20 | ThreeFinity | thanks for the help guys, I'm out :) |
| 19:42.21 | ThreeFinity | tc |
| 19:42.24 | neonlightning | unixSnob, rtorrent does rock but a pain to remember commands |
| 19:42.40 | dvs | g0to: e2label |
| 19:42.55 | ArmEagle | ell it is on tstbed, so it should be in F1 |
| 19:42.59 | ArmEagle | *well |
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| 19:43.28 | g0to | dvs: thanks, man ;) |
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| 19:46.23 | zythmer | unixSnob: re: dd_ command. You're thinking of growisofs, not wodim. It uses 'builtin_dd'. |
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| 19:49.14 | Gryfelhase | I installed the new 2.6.24 kernel |
| 19:49.42 | Gryfelhase | but now my date / time is 2 hours wrong |
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| 19:50.05 | Gryfelhase | I guess it has to do, with greenwich-time |
| 19:50.31 | Gryfelhase | or local time in the bios-/ mainboard-clock |
| 19:50.38 | Gryfelhase | how do I fix it? |
| 19:51.18 | Gryfelhase | I don't want do use time, 'cause I may need some times with the old kernel |
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| 19:51.25 | Gryfelhase | -tim e+ DATE |
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| 19:51.36 | _adrenaline | hello |
| 19:51.40 | gkiagia | Gryfelhase: your timezone is gmt+2 I guess? |
| 19:51.41 | Gryfelhase | I don't want to change it with the Date comand |
| 19:51.55 | Gryfelhase | yes |
| 19:52.20 | Gryfelhase | hi _adrenaline |
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| 19:52.41 | _adrenaline | So I want to install debian, but I only have a wireless connections meaning I can't do a minimal install I think. But is there a minimal install I can do that will get me into a gui to set up my wireless then install |
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| 19:52.59 | _adrenaline | Something that is not 10 CD's? |
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| 19:53.16 | abrotman | depends on your wifi card |
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| 19:53.44 | _adrenaline | linksys pci |
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| 19:54.01 | _adrenaline | It works with minimal setup in fedora but not out of the box |
| 19:54.02 | abrotman | chipset i mean |
| 19:54.08 | gkiagia | Gryfelhase: I've had this problem many times... there are two possible solutions. Either compile your own kernel so that it loads enhanced real time clock in the kernel (not as a module) in order to get it load befor the other clock module that breaks everything, or modify hwclock (with a script) so that it is always called with the --directisa option |
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| 19:54.17 | _adrenaline | let me check |
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| 19:54.41 | gkiagia | Gryfelhase: that is from my experience, I don't know what debian says officially about that |
| 19:55.03 | gkiagia | Gryfelhase: but it really is one of the bugs I hate most in debian |
| 19:55.50 | _adrenaline | It is a Ralink |
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| 19:56.12 | _adrenaline | Ralink 2500 wireless linksys card |
| 19:56.12 | abrotman | _adrenaline: you could grab the bits you need from packages.debian.org and build them that way |
| 19:56.47 | abrotman | _adrenaline: really no wired LAN ? |
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| 19:56.56 | Gryfelhase | gkiagia: Ok, I will have a look.... thx so far |
| 19:57.29 | AbsintheSyringe | any lenovo x300 owners here? |
| 19:57.52 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: ask a better question |
| 19:58.22 | _adrenaline | ya no wired lan |
| 19:58.36 | jownez | i have a question about the spamfilter of evolution: so far i have marked about 6000 mails as junk, and checking of the inbox is enabled.. nevertheless, all the spam still doesnt get filtered and remains in the inbox |
| 19:58.37 | _adrenaline | I know weird huh |
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| 19:59.03 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, I made everything work on my lenovo x300, my internal mic doesn't work, so I was wondering if anyone made it work here, debian lenny |
| 19:59.12 | n-iCe | how can I know if is lenny, etch, sid, etch from terminal |
| 19:59.18 | AbsintheSyringe | abrotman, and to make my sound work I compiled alsa 1.0.17 from the source |
| 19:59.26 | n-iCe | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 20:00.01 | abrotman | n-iCe: look at your sources |
| 20:00.09 | simonrvn | !version |
| 20:00.09 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -n 1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename>, or lsb_release -a, or cat /proc/version |
| 20:00.14 | abrotman | AbsintheSyringe: did you check linux-laptop.net ? |
| 20:00.55 | n-iCe | abrotman: if the input is, 4.0 ? |
| 20:01.20 | abrotman | the what? |
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| 20:01.28 | abrotman | !es |
| 20:01.28 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor /join #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please /join #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 20:01.52 | AbsintheSyringe2 | abrotman, yea I pretty much checked everything |
| 20:01.55 | simonrvn | output, not input |
| 20:02.06 | AbsintheSyringe2 | I have everything set, except from my internal mic working, so I'm wondering either it's due to my configuration in gnome ... or |
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| 20:02.16 | abrotman | and asked #alsa ? |
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| 20:02.31 | AbsintheSyringe2 | abrotman, there you go, that I didn't do :) |
| 20:02.32 | AbsintheSyringe2 | tnx |
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| 20:19.43 | visof | hello |
| 20:20.44 | visof | how can i know the status of the packages "installed, uninstalled" from command line, and how can i know some info about the packages before installing it ? |
| 20:21.23 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 20:21.23 | dpkg | i guess refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
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| 20:22.48 | unixSnob | zythmer: thanks for the clarification. i recall someone telling me they've burned CDs simply by using dd to copy an ISO to the burning device, and I figured that was what gnomebaker was doing when it showed some form of dd being called |
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| 20:24.53 | visof | thank you very much abrotman |
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| 20:29.47 | cafaro_ | what package should I install to install the latest version of GTK+, that is required for the installation for Firefox 3? |
| 20:30.28 | deus____ | O.o |
| 20:30.33 | deus____ | just apt-get install firefox |
| 20:30.38 | deus____ | it should be installed automatically |
| 20:30.44 | cafaro_ | ok' |
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| 20:31.11 | cafaro_ | but what's the name for the GTK+ package (I'm just curious) ? |
| 20:31.46 | unixSnob | will that work though? I mean, I installed "firefox" a few weeks ago, and got iceweasel 2 |
| 20:32.39 | abrotman | cafaro_: you can't get ff3 in etch |
| 20:33.10 | cafaro_ | ok |
| 20:33.38 | abrotman | !ff3 etch |
| 20:33.41 | abrotman | bah |
| 20:34.01 | abrotman | !firefox 3 etch |
| 20:34.01 | dpkg | Firefox 3 requires GTK+ 2.10 and etch has GTK+ 2.8, see http://mynbook.wordpress.com/2008/06/10/debian-etch-gtk-212-firefox-3/ and http://www.captain.at/howto-run-firefox-3-debian-etch.php at your own risk, or just wait until someone backports it (if you believe that a backport will ever come...) |
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| 20:37.27 | ericpersson | anyone got any laptop-model-tips? |
| 20:37.31 | kspath_ | lenny will have FF3 ? |
| 20:37.48 | screamingbytes | n-iCe: lsb_release -d |
| 20:38.06 | abrotman | kspath_: iceweasel3 ... but yes |
| 20:38.12 | kspath_ | ericpersson: keep is cool, do not leave it plugged in all the time, discharage and much as possible before charging, charge it fully |
| 20:38.18 | kspath_ | it |
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| 20:38.43 | ericpersson | kspath_: well, know that...looking for a new one, but cant find one i like.. |
| 20:39.16 | kspath_ | ericpersson: X61, or EEE PC 1000, or maybe new HP model small one |
| 20:39.28 | abrotman | ericpersson: you're kind of asking the wrong channel |
| 20:39.40 | kspath_ | ericpersson: this is Debian channel |
| 20:39.41 | ericpersson | kspath_: ideally a 14-15" screen with ssd and possibility to replace dvd with battery.. |
| 20:39.57 | abrotman | ericpersson: try ##hardware |
| 20:39.59 | ericpersson | abrotman: yeah, i know.. thought i m,ight find people with similiar preference here.. ;) |
| 20:40.03 | ericpersson | will look there.. |
| 20:40.08 | unixSnob | kspath_: careful with that... I've discharged my laptop battery (didn't know it was unplugged), and got no warning from debian that I was low on power. I simply lost power |
| 20:40.32 | kspath_ | ericpersson: nothing like that, all SSD are smaller, so far |
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| 20:41.00 | ericpersson | kspath_: yeah, i figured, thats what i've seen.. |
| 20:41.43 | kspath_ | unixSnob: it also depends on if you are using desktop manager, since ion3 my favourite does not do anything either, monitor it yourself and have it hibernate or shutdown |
| 20:41.50 | K|NgGh0sT | Ever since I reinstalled debian this install has seemed to have a slow DNS lookup, like it takes forever to apt-get update meanwhile similar boxes on my network havent this issue. This wasn't an insure last install either |
| 20:42.12 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: and if you do a regular nslookup/dig/host ? |
| 20:42.48 | kspath_ | K|NgGh0sT: check your /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:42.54 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: make sure you have the right IPs in your resolv.conf |
| 20:43.12 | K|NgGh0sT | nslookup,dig,host are all quick |
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| 20:43.51 | K|NgGh0sT | resolv.conf has the proper nameserver aswell |
| 20:44.02 | K|NgGh0sT | But browsing and using apt are a snails pace |
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| 20:44.24 | abrotman | so maybe it's not a dns issue ? |
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| 20:44.27 | screamingbytes | K|NgGh0sT: are you using the same sources.list? |
| 20:44.32 | K|NgGh0sT | yes |
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| 20:45.14 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, Once the site is loaded once all the subpages load quickly, just takes forever for the inital host lookuo. Thats why I assumed it was DNS |
| 20:45.24 | siavasht | hi , sry for the noob question : is there any online repository for etch ? you know, software update , new softwares ,... |
| 20:45.39 | abrotman | siavasht: the regular mirrors? |
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| 20:46.44 | K|NgGh0sT | Any ideas? |
| 20:47.50 | siavasht | as far as i know debian's softwares can be found on its cd(dvd) . for example, i want the latest stable pidgin availabale but debian offers gaim |
| 20:47.56 | siavasht | am i wrong ? |
| 20:48.04 | abrotman | siavasht: that gaim version is basically pidgin |
| 20:48.07 | abrotman | !info gaim etch |
| 20:48.13 | siavasht | yes i know |
| 20:48.18 | abrotman | so how is that bad? |
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| 20:48.35 | dpkg | gaim: (multi-protocol instant messaging client), section net, is optional. Version: 1:2.0.0+beta5-10etch1 (etch), Packaged size: 1640 kB, Installed size: 4568 kB |
| 20:48.50 | abrotman | i mean .. pidgin is gaim2.0 |
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| 20:48.56 | siavasht | i simply need the latest version |
| 20:49.07 | abrotman | need why? |
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| 20:49.22 | abrotman | i'd wager you don't *need* it |
| 20:49.26 | siavasht | for better features of course |
| 20:49.29 | screamingbytes | siavasht: look at your /etc/apt/sources.list, add mirrors, then use your prefered tool to update the sources / then install the software |
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| 20:50.01 | screamingbytes | siavasht: remove or comment out the CD's as sources |
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| 20:50.25 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, do I just deal with this or is there anywhere else to look? |
| 20:50.37 | abrotman | siavasht: such as ? |
| 20:50.45 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: it doesn't really sound like a dns problem |
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| 20:51.09 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, what else could it be then? |
| 20:51.18 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: basic netowrking problem ? |
| 20:51.21 | siavasht | ok let me get straight does debian have an online repo like ubuntu ? (i said i'm absolutely noob :) ) |
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| 20:51.38 | dmoerner | is getting de javu |
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| 20:51.52 | dmoerner | siavasht, yes |
| 20:51.57 | abrotman | siavasht: i told you yes 10 minutes ago |
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| 20:52.03 | dmoerner | *deja vu |
| 20:52.06 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, It can't be, the box right next to it with identical hardware is not having any issues, and this one didn'[t before I had to reinstall |
| 20:52.24 | siavasht | sry i didnt mention that i was typing :P |
| 20:52.25 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: how many dns servers do you have? |
| 20:52.35 | siavasht | tnx guys |
| 20:52.37 | K|NgGh0sT | 2 |
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| 20:53.10 | lwizardl | hi |
| 20:53.32 | abrotman | !tell siavasht about sources.list |
| 20:53.37 | abrotman | !tell siavasht about mirrors |
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| 20:53.55 | lwizardl | anyone here ever built a point of sale machine? |
| 20:54.04 | basix | has anybody tried Debian Testing ( Lenny ) on a HP Pavillion DV2800T Artist Edition? Any comments?? |
| 20:54.16 | basix | I'm looking to buy this machine in the coming weeks |
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| 20:55.41 | abrotman | !tell siavasht about bpo |
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| 20:57.39 | K|NgGh0sT | guess I will just deal with this, oh well |
| 20:57.41 | K|NgGh0sT | Thanks everyone |
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| 20:58.06 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: do they both respond correctly? |
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| 20:58.17 | K|NgGh0sT | yes |
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| 20:58.25 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: you can use 'host' to query it directly |
| 20:59.10 | K|NgGh0sT | I'm probally just gonna reinstall |
| 20:59.39 | abrotman | have oyu tried more than one browser? |
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| 21:00.04 | K|NgGh0sT | Yes, sadly all the same |
| 21:01.19 | screamingbytes | K|NgGh0sT: have you checked your resolution order? |
| 21:01.24 | abrotman | all applicatoins take awhile to connect? |
| 21:01.37 | K|NgGh0sT | Every one, yes |
| 21:01.41 | ttl- | how to open/view/edit the contents of initramfs ? |
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| 21:02.15 | dmoerner | ttl-, gunzip initrd.gz | cpio -ivd |
| 21:02.17 | dmoerner | i think |
| 21:02.18 | dmoerner | one sec |
| 21:02.39 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: you could try to strace it |
| 21:02.42 | ttl- | dmoerner: thanks |
| 21:02.51 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: like 'strace ssh <host>' |
| 21:02.58 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: oh wait .. what's in your /etc/hosts ? |
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| 21:03.20 | dmoerner | ttl-, to open: zcat /boot/initrd | cpio -idv to recreate: find . -print -depth | cpio -ov | gzip >initrd |
| 21:03.31 | K|NgGh0sT | host.conf? |
| 21:03.40 | abrotman | no ... /etc/hosts |
| 21:04.19 | aum | hi - every time i start adobe acrobat on linux - either standalone or for embedded PDFs in iceweasel - it freezes for about 30 secs before it becomes fully responsive - any ideas? |
| 21:04.24 | K|NgGh0sT | 127.0.0.1 localhost 127.0.1.1 slutb0x |
| 21:04.33 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: that's it ? |
| 21:04.43 | K|NgGh0sT | and ip6 stuff |
| 21:04.55 | abrotman | you have two lines? |
| 21:05.32 | K|NgGh0sT | lemem pastebin |
| 21:06.33 | K|NgGh0sT | http://pastebin.ca/1176518 |
| 21:06.54 | abrotman | gah .. canadian! |
| 21:07.06 | K|NgGh0sT | :D |
| 21:07.24 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: also paste your interfaces file |
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| 21:07.57 | K|NgGh0sT | where is that located? |
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| 21:08.24 | abrotman | /etc/network/interfaces |
| 21:08.27 | screamingbytes | network/interfaces |
| 21:08.32 | screamingbytes | abrotman beat me |
| 21:08.36 | ttl- | dmoerner: thaks a lot! |
| 21:08.59 | dmoerner | ttl-, in the future you can just ask dpkg, the !initramfs debug factoid has that information |
| 21:09.02 | abrotman | screamingbytes: and you were wrong? |
| 21:09.33 | ttl- | dmoerner: k :) |
| 21:09.39 | K|NgGh0sT | http://pastebin.ca/1176522 |
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| 21:10.35 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: can you try in your /etc/hosts .. comment out the second line and append 'slutb0x' to the first line (a tab between localhost and slutb0x) |
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| 21:11.08 | Zitter | is there a way to know which bins will be installed after a pkg's installation? |
| 21:11.46 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, if that worked, would it be instant? |
| 21:11.56 | abrotman | Zitter: use apt-file or `dpkg -l <pkg |
| 21:12.04 | abrotman | Zitter: use apt-file or `dpkg -L <pkg>' |
| 21:12.16 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: no .. i think you'd have to restart networking or the whole box |
| 21:12.28 | K|NgGh0sT | alright, will reboot brb |
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| 21:13.46 | Zitter | abrotman, sorry... :) not after installation, but *before* |
| 21:13.50 | amf | How do I download and install the dependencies of package x, but not install x? |
| 21:13.59 | abrotman | Zitter: apt-file |
| 21:14.13 | abrotman | amf: why would you? |
| 21:14.31 | screamingbytes | abrotman: why was I wrong? |
| 21:14.38 | screamingbytes | abrotman: he was already in the /etc dir |
| 21:14.42 | abrotman | you think |
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| 21:14.52 | amf | abrotman: Need dependencies of program x, but want to use a newer version of program x |
| 21:14.54 | screamingbytes | abrotman: :) I do |
| 21:15.04 | abrotman | screamingbytes: right .. not helpful |
| 21:15.17 | abrotman | amf: apt-cache depends foo | grep Depends ? |
| 21:15.21 | screamingbytes | abrotman: don't be so grumpy |
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| 21:15.26 | abrotman | throw in some awk .. maye some xargs |
| 21:15.29 | dmoerner | screamingbytes, don't push your luck with abrotman |
| 21:15.34 | abrotman | screamingbytes: i'm not grumpy .. you're wrong a lot :) |
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| 21:16.03 | abrotman | amf: doable for you? |
| 21:17.12 | fr05tbyt3 | anybody know where I coud find an article on which operating system is the most popular on servers in 2007 or 2008? |
| 21:17.19 | abrotman | apt-cache depends foo | grep Depends | awk -F: '{print $2}' | xargs aptititude install .. or something like that |
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| 21:17.29 | kspath_ | fr05tbyt3: netcraft ? |
| 21:17.29 | abrotman | fr05tbyt3: google ? |
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| 21:17.46 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: better? |
| 21:17.54 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, no difference but I was thinking could apache be causing this somehow? |
| 21:17.54 | fr05tbyt3 | im not hitting the right keywords i think |
| 21:18.01 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: i doubt it |
| 21:18.02 | kspath_ | abrotman: I always make my decisions based on most popular |
| 21:18.08 | amf | abrotman: Bingo, thanks! |
| 21:18.11 | ttl- | the content of /etc/modprobe.d/madwifi seems to be the correct one |
| 21:18.12 | abrotman | amf: enjoy |
| 21:18.21 | abrotman | amf: also see suggests/recommends if wanted |
| 21:18.40 | ttl- | so that does not solve my problem in not being able to autocreate a VAP in master mode |
| 21:18.47 | abrotman | kspath_: buy ford! |
| 21:18.49 | Zitter | abrotman, thanks |
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| 21:18.55 | ttl- | weird stuff |
| 21:19.13 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: `strace ssh host` .. where does it stick/loop ? |
| 21:19.45 | ttl- | so it isn't the initramfs |
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| 21:20.18 | abrotman | siavasht: please don't msg me .. ask in here |
| 21:20.35 | abrotman | !tell siavasht about grounding |
| 21:20.47 | Nyle | hey dudes |
| 21:20.51 | Nyle | what is kickin' |
| 21:20.58 | K|NgGh0sT | poll([{fd=3, events=POLLOUT}], 1, 0) = 1 ([{fd=3, revents=POLLOUT}]) |
| 21:20.58 | K|NgGh0sT | send(3, "\23\317\1\0\0\1\0\0\0\0\0\0\4host\0\0\1\0\1"..., 22, MSG_NOSIGNAL) = 22 |
| 21:20.58 | K|NgGh0sT | poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 5000) = 0 (Timeout) |
| 21:21.01 | Nyle | I resized my tmp, and now I don't have perms to write on it |
| 21:21.02 | Nyle | wtf |
| 21:21.06 | screamingbytes | afternoon Nyle |
| 21:21.12 | Nyle | bro man dude hi |
| 21:21.12 | siavasht | sry didnt want to mess |
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| 21:22.00 | Nyle | so how should I fix the perms on /tmp |
| 21:22.04 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: need more info .. |
| 21:22.05 | abrotman | Nyle: chmod |
| 21:22.07 | Nyle | I can't read/write on /tmp |
| 21:22.15 | Nyle | abrotman, yes i am aware, but exactly what? |
| 21:22.22 | ttl- | so i guess the only solution is reinstall lenny |
| 21:22.27 | Nyle | I am afraid in my newbness I'll give it wrong perms |
| 21:22.28 | ttl- | lol |
| 21:22.29 | abrotman | 1777 IIRC |
| 21:22.36 | Nyle | or maybe its not mounted correctly? |
| 21:22.55 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: same thing over and over? |
| 21:23.14 | Nyle | abrotman, which options should /tmp susually be mounted as? |
| 21:23.53 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, http://pastebin.ca/1176544 |
| 21:24.13 | screamingbytes | Nyle: mine is rwxrwxrwt |
| 21:24.22 | abrotman | Nyle: did you make your own separate /tmp/ ? |
| 21:24.27 | Nyle | yessir |
| 21:24.33 | Nyle | I did |
| 21:24.53 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: i meant to use a real hostname :) |
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| 21:25.04 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: obviously a fake hostname will fail :) |
| 21:25.10 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: is 'ssh localhost' slow ? |
| 21:25.12 | K|NgGh0sT | heh |
| 21:25.47 | Nyle | so then |
| 21:25.55 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, not localhost but antyhing on the network |
| 21:26.01 | abrotman | Nyle: those options should still be in your fstab then |
| 21:26.06 | Nyle | what mount options should /tmp have |
| 21:26.10 | Nyle | abrotman, I totalled the line |
| 21:26.12 | Nyle | :( |
| 21:26.17 | Nyle | I redid it |
| 21:26.21 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: okay .. so try the `strace ssh <real host that has sshd>` |
| 21:26.38 | abrotman | tmpfs on /dev/shm type tmpfs (rw,nosuid,nodev) |
| 21:26.39 | abrotman | i guess ? |
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| 21:26.46 | Nyle | uhuh |
| 21:26.51 | Nyle | ok |
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| 21:28.12 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, quick but if I try the same thing through putty its slow |
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| 21:28.46 | abrotman | doesn't use putty on liux |
| 21:28.47 | abrotman | linu |
| 21:28.50 | abrotman | bah |
| 21:28.57 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: strace putty <host with sshd> |
| 21:29.01 | quitte | putty for linux exists? |
| 21:29.14 | abrotman | !info putty etch |
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| 21:29.18 | dpkg | putty: (Telnet/SSH client for X), section net, is optional. Version: 0.58-5 (etch), Packaged size: 289 kB, Installed size: 640 kB |
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| 21:30.12 | K|NgGh0sT | abrotman, way too much output |
| 21:30.26 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: you can have strace output to a file |
| 21:30.40 | K|NgGh0sT | I did and it was massive |
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| 21:30.51 | K|NgGh0sT | aha I might see the problem |
| 21:30.53 | abrotman | K|NgGh0sT: see anything suspicious ? |
| 21:30.57 | abrotman | problem!?!?!?! |
| 21:31.02 | abrotman | this is debian .. we have no problems |
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| 21:31.21 | K|NgGh0sT | seems to be an issue with "gettimeofday" |
| 21:31.25 | K|NgGh0sT | I never install ntp |
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| 21:32.55 | K|NgGh0sT | maybe not |
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| 21:35.31 | \\johny | girl for sex? ;) |
| 21:35.43 | jetscreamer | seems to me some ntp stuff is installed by default nowadays.. not sure |
| 21:36.11 | abrotman | \\johny: wrong channel |
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| 21:38.29 | simonrvn | wrong network... |
| 21:38.43 | peppe | "wrong internet" |
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| 21:41.05 | siavasht | is there any good/ free book to learn debian ? |
| 21:41.18 | abrotman | !books |
| 21:41.18 | dpkg | well, books is http://www.debian.org/doc/books |
| 21:41.28 | abrotman | !tell siavasht about grounding |
| 21:43.21 | siavasht | yea,seen that . i want a downloadable book (pdf ?) |
| 21:44.13 | abrotman | siavasht: the online references are better in most cases |
| 21:44.24 | ttl- | goodnight |
| 21:44.34 | dmoerner | !tell siavasht about tldp |
| 21:44.43 | dmoerner | that has pdfs |
| 21:45.01 | quitte | #trivia anyone? |
| 21:45.32 | jaalto | Does anyone remember the name of package which would show LOAD GRAPH in ascii. It was some curses based application |
| 21:45.36 | siavasht | abortman:unfortuantely i cant be online 24/7 to read books :) |
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| 21:47.08 | torr | hi |
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| 21:47.29 | abrotman | siavasht: you can download the debian manuals |
| 21:47.34 | torr | can anyone tell me what benefits do I get from running stable? |
| 21:47.40 | abrotman | it's uh .. stable :) |
| 21:47.51 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 21:47.51 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 21:48.05 | torr | I am constantly finding myself unable to run stuf because it is old and not supproted anymore |
| 21:48.21 | torr | for example now - dovecot with sieve |
| 21:48.21 | abrotman | torr: such as ? |
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| 21:48.41 | torr | I have version 1.0.rc15 which is 30 versions behind |
| 21:48.52 | kspath_ | jaalto: nload work for you? |
| 21:49.09 | torr | or so they say |
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| 21:49.17 | abrotman | version of what? |
| 21:49.57 | torr | dovecot |
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| 21:50.20 | abrotman | !tell torr about bpo |
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| 21:50.53 | jaalto | kspath_: Good suggesting, but I remeber seeing CPU load monitor package that wrore ASCII graphs |
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| 21:51.03 | quitte | torr: why would you want to run the latest version of a mail server? |
| 21:51.30 | petemc | its not a bad idea to use recent versions of dovecot |
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| 21:52.02 | torr | quitte, the documentation is more recent then my version |
| 21:52.16 | torr | quitte, I can't even follow the guidlines |
| 21:52.20 | quitte | petemc: is it in volatile then? |
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| 21:52.53 | petemc | quitte: i dont believe so, im not sure its an ideal candidate for volatile either |
| 21:53.22 | petemc | icbw |
| 21:53.41 | kspath_ | jaalto: nload, does, it does it in real time |
| 21:53.43 | quitte | i wouldn'T want to run any server process facing the outside world that i have to maintain myself... |
| 21:53.54 | kspath_ | jaalto: scrolling to the left |
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| 21:54.49 | kspath_ | jaalto: oh sorry not netload you want cpuload sorry brain is tired |
| 21:56.23 | jaalto | kspath_: Yes, CPU load. I'm positive I used one, but I've forgotten the name. I've tried apt-cache with various "load", "system", "ascii", "graph" keywords, but can't see it. |
| 21:56.29 | torr | I have added the backport line to my source.list aptitude updeated, and I still don't get the package from bpo in synaptic :( |
| 21:57.05 | abrotman | torr: apt-cache policy dovecot ? |
| 21:57.10 | jaalto | how do I search inside package Description: field? |
| 21:57.35 | torr | dovecot: |
| 21:57.35 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.35 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:57.35 | torr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:57.51 | dmoerner | jaalto, apt-cache |
| 21:57.53 | dmoerner | search |
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| 21:58.04 | torr | got kicked |
| 21:58.06 | abrotman | torr: paste.debian.net |
| 21:58.10 | xingu | jaalto: not htop? |
| 21:58.14 | torr | well it is three lines |
| 21:58.15 | jaalto | dmoerner: Ah, I though it searched only the 1st line |
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| 21:59.00 | jaalto | xingu: Not htop (I have it). The package displayer ****** graphs (vertical) as time went by |
| 21:59.01 | abrotman | torr: it was more than three lines |
| 21:59.16 | torr | 4 lines? |
| 21:59.40 | jaalto | xingu: Btw, I'm still working with that NFS, but I leave it tomorrow. Reboot etc. did not succeed. |
| 22:00.05 | torr | abrotman, anyway... what about that apt-cache policy? |
| 22:00.06 | abrotman | torr: it was way more than that |
| 22:00.14 | dmoerner | torr, apt-cache policy is at least 6 lines |
| 22:00.14 | abrotman | torr: paste.debian.net ... |
| 22:00.26 | xingu | jaalto: cheers anyway, and thanks for the report back |
| 22:00.36 | torr | abrotman, it is 4 lines that is it |
| 22:00.36 | xingu | jaalto: good luck ;) |
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| 22:00.49 | torr | abrotman, I believe it is all pasted here |
| 22:00.57 | abrotman | no .. it wasn't |
| 22:01.15 | jaalto | xingu: My Thanks To You for creative comments to debug it. |
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| 22:01.37 | torr | dovecot: Installed: (none) Candidate: (none) Version table: |
| 22:01.48 | torr | abrotman, That was it^ |
| 22:01.58 | abrotman | then your sources are wrong |
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| 22:02.19 | torr | what can I do? |
| 22:02.24 | abrotman | pastebin your soruces |
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| 22:03.05 | petemc | dovecot is split into -pop3d -imapd and -common packages\ |
| 22:03.40 | abrotman | oh duh .. i was thinking there was a metapackage .. silly me |
| 22:04.00 | abrotman | torr: ^^^ |
| 22:04.24 | torr | ah |
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| 22:04.38 | abrotman | torr: so like `apt-cache policy dovecot-imapd` |
| 22:05.13 | torr | ok |
| 22:05.34 | Sia0-0 | i will change the permession from directory in webserver to user permission wiith chmod 777 -R, is still root permission ? |
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| 22:06.06 | abrotman | Sia0-0: that's a *really* bad idea |
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| 22:06.38 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, yes i know, isnøt public webserver :) |
| 22:06.42 | Sia0-0 | private |
| 22:06.50 | abrotman | still a bad idea .. learn how to do it right |
| 22:06.54 | torr | http://pastebin.ca/1176616 abrotman |
| 22:07.16 | abrotman | torr: there you go .. so install the stuff you want |
| 22:07.18 | torr | abrotman, the start is the policy, the rest is the source list |
| 22:07.26 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, i say still above i know, and isn't important |
| 22:07.33 | abrotman | still a bad idea .. learn how to do it right |
| 22:07.41 | Sia0-0 | oh |
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| 22:08.07 | torr | abrotman, I am used to use synaptic for instalations , but it doesn't show me the bpo versoin |
| 22:08.11 | abrotman | torr: so if you install dovecot-imapd .. you should get the one you want |
| 22:08.18 | Sia0-0 | any idea, how can i change root permission to user permission? |
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| 22:08.27 | abrotman | torr: i don't use synaptic |
| 22:08.54 | Sia0-0 | change user group from ROOT to normal user? |
| 22:09.02 | torr | anyone use synaptic? |
| 22:09.06 | torr | :D |
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| 22:09.19 | abrotman | torr: aptitude install dovecot-imapd ? |
| 22:09.25 | torr | abrotman, ok |
| 22:09.47 | torr | abrotman, does it take care of dependencies |
| 22:09.57 | abrotman | golly .. i'd hope so .. wouldn't be much good otherwise |
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| 22:10.22 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, bad idea, you havn't answer, and i solve the problem :) |
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| 22:10.41 | abrotman | Sia0-0: that's fine .. screw it up however you want .. |
| 22:11.13 | torr | abrotman see what it say: 0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 242 not upgraded. |
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| 22:11.29 | abrotman | torr: you sohuld read all the instructions at backports.org |
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| 22:11.34 | Sia0-0 | yes i do what i want, not what you want ;) |
| 22:11.43 | torr | ah |
| 22:11.46 | abrotman | Sia0-0: so you'll stop coming here and asking silly questions? |
| 22:12.00 | abrotman | torr: but the aptitude should be able to find the dovecot-imapd |
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| 22:13.44 | kspath_ | jaalto: saidar not an ascii graph but might be of use |
| 22:14.24 | kspath_ | jaalto: I feel bad, i was all into terms, ncurses now I can not remember a scrolling ascii load monitor |
| 22:14.26 | torr | ok the instructions worked |
| 22:14.34 | petemc | torr: you need to specify backports |
| 22:14.38 | petemc | oh |
| 22:14.46 | abrotman | he does now that he did pinning .. |
| 22:14.46 | Sia0-0 | no abrotman but you can ignore my question |
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| 22:15.04 | abrotman | Sia0-0: notice everyone else does |
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| 22:15.47 | Sia0-0 | :| |
| 22:15.54 | abrotman | torr: is your server running X ? |
| 22:16.06 | torr | yes |
| 22:16.12 | abrotman | why? :) |
| 22:16.21 | torr | It is an NX server |
| 22:16.30 | torr | actually freeenx |
| 22:16.39 | torr | why? |
| 22:17.04 | jaalto | kspath_: I looked at saidar, but that was not it either. I'm positive it exists in Debian packages. Just can't make the correct search keywords (I'm making combinations of words as we speek for apt-cache) |
| 22:18.05 | kspath_ | jaalto: I know exactly what you mean |
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| 22:19.54 | jaalto | kspath_, Wait. What was the tool to search using tags in at database. If I scroll through ncurses packages, I find it |
| 22:20.02 | jaalto | "apt database" |
| 22:20.04 | htmlol | alright guys |
| 22:20.16 | htmlol | I know a guy who has an ftp server running on port 2 |
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| 22:20.20 | htmlol | 21 |
| 22:20.36 | htmlol | he wants to turn it off. problem is, he doesn't know what the ftp server is. |
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| 22:20.40 | htmlol | all he knows is that it works. |
| 22:20.48 | abrotman | htmlol: is it debian? |
| 22:20.52 | PiousMinion | Should I write random data to a drive I plan on encrypting if it's a brand spanking new drive? |
| 22:20.53 | htmlol | yes |
| 22:20.53 | dmoerner | jaalto, use apt-cache dumpavail and grep-dctrl |
| 22:20.55 | jaalto | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:21.02 | htmlol | of course it's debian :D |
| 22:21.04 | abrotman | htmlol: dpkg -l *ftp* .. shut it off/uninstall .. whatever |
| 22:21.17 | abrotman | htmlol: last i checked .. you don't run debian .. you ask support questions here |
| 22:21.21 | dmoerner | PiousMinion, debian installer does that by default |
| 22:21.37 | dmoerner | if you select use entire volume and use encrypted lvm |
| 22:21.41 | PiousMinion | dmoerner: true, but this is an existing system. :) |
| 22:21.52 | dmoerner | oh, in that case you probably should do it manually |
| 22:21.52 | PiousMinion | I'm doing all the cryptsetup stuff by hand. |
| 22:21.56 | htmlol | abrotman: what? I run debian. |
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| 22:22.06 | htmlol | I don't get what you're saying |
| 22:22.47 | PiousMinion | dmoerner: you think the random data as part of "badblocks -t random" is good enough or should I do "dd if=/dev/urandom" ? |
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| 22:24.09 | phlux | Just for those whomight be curious, Debian works with the Motorola UM150 wireless internet USB card. |
| 22:24.18 | htmlol | abrotman: ???? |
| 22:24.23 | phlux | Was issued it from Verizon wireless, and it works great. |
| 22:24.36 | dmoerner | PiousMinion, stuff on the dm-crypt mailing list at least seems to suggest using /dev/urandom |
| 22:24.42 | PiousMinion | phlux: that is very good to know. Do you know if any other provders support that card? |
| 22:25.02 | phlux | PiousMinion: I know Sprint does. Friend of mine uses it on base. |
| 22:25.20 | PiousMinion | dmoerner: aye, was just hoping to get around the 83 hour shred on my new 1tb drive. :/ |
| 22:25.30 | phlux | PiousMinion: I had to follow the directions here: http://www.linux.com/feature/52729 . If you follow them to a "T"it'll work perfect. |
| 22:25.37 | PiousMinion | nice |
| 22:25.42 | PiousMinion | phlux: ^ thanks |
| 22:25.45 | phlux | my typing, on the other hand, isn't doing so well tonigt. |
| 22:25.47 | phlux | No problem :) |
| 22:25.57 | phlux | This card wouldn't work at all on FreeBSD |
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| 22:26.06 | htmlol | that is nice to know |
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| 22:26.18 | paolo | this is very strange. Gnome is not able to recognize my images unless I rename file.jpg -> file |
| 22:26.50 | Nyle | I need to burn a dvd iso image from cli to a dvd burner |
| 22:26.54 | Nyle | what tool should I use |
| 22:26.57 | PiousMinion | I don't use FreeBSD because of their anti-gnu attitude and their lack of sane licensing dedicated to free software. |
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| 22:27.42 | PiousMinion | Nyle: wodim ? |
| 22:27.45 | Nyle | wodim? |
| 22:27.51 | PiousMinion | apt-cache show wodim |
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| 22:28.51 | Nyle | yes |
| 22:28.54 | Nyle | its already installed |
| 22:28.56 | Nyle | the manpage is huge |
| 22:29.05 | Nyle | heh |
| 22:29.12 | htmlol | (that's what she said) |
| 22:29.23 | Nyle | PiousMinion, you don't suppose you have a short one liner for me eh, this is kinda of a quicky i need to do |
| 22:29.38 | Nyle | wodim blah.iso /dev/hdc ? |
| 22:30.03 | zythmer | Nyle: An example of that is in the growisofs man page. |
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| 22:31.01 | fairway | hi |
| 22:31.31 | Nyle | oh |
| 22:31.32 | fairway | what do you think of wuala? |
| 22:31.36 | fairway | wua.la |
| 22:31.47 | phlux | if only they made routers for internet like Verizon's.. |
| 22:31.54 | phlux | I wouldn't have to pay for two internet connections every month |
| 22:31.56 | phlux | heh :\ |
| 22:32.20 | PiousMinion | Nyle: I wouldn't know really as I simply did a search to give you that answer. zythmer had a good suggestion though. |
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| 22:33.35 | Nyle | ok |
| 22:33.37 | Nyle | its burning dvd |
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| 22:33.40 | Nyle | thanks |
| 22:33.51 | Nyle | wasn't hard to figure out once i knew where to look for the info |
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| 22:35.56 | Nyle | [ 1970.655461] ata3.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action 0[ 1970.655569] ata3.00: error: { ICRC ABRT }e/00:01:18:00:00/e0 tag 0 dma 131072.00: error: { ICRC ABRT }e/00:01:18:00:00/e0 tag 0 dma 131072 |
| 22:36.00 | Nyle | [ 1970.655461] ata3.00: exception Emask 0x0 SAct 0x0 SErr 0x0 action |
| 22:36.07 | Nyle | WHOSH!? what the fuck!? |
| 22:36.57 | abrotman | Sia0-0: don't msg people without permission |
| 22:37.29 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, ok srry |
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| 22:45.03 | kiwizz | Does anyone know of a good howto for patching bugs in linux? I want to use this bugfix http://bugs.proftpd.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3094 but I have no idea where to begin. |
| 22:45.52 | abrotman | kiwizz: there is a proftpd channel |
| 22:46.04 | kiwizz | ill check there, thanks! |
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| 22:55.29 | Sia0-0 | also n8, and have nice time |
| 22:56.01 | Sia0-0 | abrotman, u r the best |
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| 23:01.05 | illio | Hmm.. python-pylons is apparently not in my repositories.. how can that be? http://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=python-pylons .. and how do I get it then? |
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| 23:05.03 | \amethyst | illio: because you use etch and don't have etch-backports in your sources.list |
| 23:05.32 | \amethyst | !bpo |
| 23:05.32 | dpkg | backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports>. A sample line for your sources.list is: deb http://www.backports.org/debian etch-backports main contrib non-free. Once you've added that line, aptitude update && aptitude install debian-backports-keyring && aptitude update |
| 23:05.40 | illio | \amethyst, hmm I guess I'll have to add that then |
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| 23:09.20 | muddd | if you play with matches you'll wet the bed |
| 23:11.22 | basix | if i want the latest and coolest features does it make sense upgrading to sid? |
| 23:11.24 | basix | :) |
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| 23:11.39 | illio | Hmm.. it's complaining about unmet dependencies, yet these packages are actually available, they're just not automatically chosen.. how do I force it to do so? |
| 23:11.40 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 23:11.41 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use <stable> or <testing> instead. |
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| 23:12.09 | Cope57 | "testing" is where I like my resources... ;) |
| 23:12.16 | basix | hmm... |
| 23:12.33 | basix | abrotman, but Ubuntu users have a lot of cool features that Lenny doesnt :( |
| 23:12.38 | dustybin | sid is for the ubuntu people to steal |
| 23:12.39 | fairway | is http://www.wua.la the future of p2p? |
| 23:12.41 | abrotman | basix: and does their stuff work okay? |
| 23:12.48 | abrotman | fairway: stop spamming |
| 23:13.07 | basix | abrotman, sometimes it breaks :| |
| 23:13.22 | abrotman | basix: right .. |
| 23:13.25 | Cope57 | Not lenny, but "testing", so when lenny becomes stable, I will still be in testing. A perpetual upgrading system. Never stuck with any version. |
| 23:13.38 | dustybin | abrotman: this phone can run debian: http://www.openmoko.com/product.html |
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| 23:13.45 | basix | ooh :) |
| 23:13.58 | abrotman | dustybin: yes, i'm aware |
| 23:16.07 | dustybin | abrotman: would you consider buying one |
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| 23:16.20 | abrotman | dustybin: they're still development models IIRC |
| 23:16.21 | dustybin | apt-get install phone |
| 23:16.28 | dustybin | ok |
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| 23:16.32 | abrotman | dustybin: i may |
| 23:16.40 | dustybin | apt-get install phonebook |
| 23:16.45 | abrotman | we get the idea |
| 23:16.57 | dustybin | apt-get remove --purge abrotman :P |
| 23:17.10 | abrotman | !tell dustybin about why aptitude |
| 23:17.13 | htmlol | abrotman: what did you mean before? |
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| 23:17.40 | abrotman | htmlol: IIRC when you started coming around you were running sidux or kanotix or something other than debian |
| 23:18.21 | htmlol | well yes, I'm running sidux. but sidux is 100% debian compatible, so it's the same exact thing |
| 23:18.29 | hanif | looking to build live cds in a Virtualbox sandbox, using deb as a base. Any for sure drawbacks? |
| 23:18.56 | hanif | using vbox in Ubuntu Host |
| 23:19.19 | dustybin | the GPL needs to be re-written, "you may NOT create a distro what is based on another distro" |
| 23:19.41 | abrotman | !ccd |
| 23:19.43 | abrotman | !cdd |
| 23:19.44 | dpkg | Have a look at http://wiki.debian.org/Simple-CDD |
| 23:19.53 | abrotman | htmlol: no .. it's not |
| 23:20.18 | hanif | yes you can, as long as you log changes and keep attrinution, and releasing under GPL upon distribution (on GPL SW that is) |
| 23:20.25 | hanif | attribution, sorry |
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| 23:20.49 | htmlol | abrotman: how so? |
| 23:20.53 | edistar | hi, where do I set the default system-wide window manager? |
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| 23:20.59 | abrotman | htmlol: it'd be called Debian |
| 23:21.07 | edistar | not regarding and session manager.. |
| 23:21.15 | hanif | Or if you can give me instructions on how I can use GCC without a toolchain based on another implimentation. |
| 23:21.22 | abrotman | edistar: update-alternatives --config x-window-manager |
| 23:21.48 | edistar | abrotman: thanks |
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| 23:22.20 | htmlol | abrotman: but what I'm saying is, it's the same exact thing, just with some scripts. it's the same as if someone installed debian and wrote their own scripts. |
| 23:22.24 | hanif | Anybody know how to get PAE passthrough to work for guest IOSs on a Nix based host? |
| 23:22.50 | hanif | would love to get OSX and BSD up and running |
| 23:24.16 | abrotman | htmlol: no |
| 23:24.34 | muddd | denied |
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| 23:26.46 | hanif | There are several bug reports in regard to Ubuntu using both Compiz and Games in full screen mode (even with compiz disabled). Is Mainline Deb any better? (in this regard) |
| 23:26.53 | htmlol | abrotman: don't just say no, man. give me some reasons for what you think |
| 23:27.08 | abrotman | htmlol: it's not Debian |
| 23:27.17 | quitte | yes, abrotman. explain yourself! |
| 23:27.18 | abrotman | hanif: bugs.debian.org |
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| 23:27.35 | abrotman | if you want to talk about sidux .. go to #sidux on OFTC |
| 23:28.00 | htmlol | I'm in #sidux on oftc...no need for hostility |
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| 23:33.34 | jaalto | is it possible to make the gnome's file manager to make the "line rows" smaller? It takes 2-lines compared to conqueror. |
| 23:33.49 | simonrvn | wonders whytf htmlol thinks that was hostile.... |
| 23:33.50 | dmoerner | jaalto, just change the % magnification |
| 23:34.02 | dmoerner | i think the default is 50% for line mode and you can change that to 25% |
| 23:34.30 | jaalto | It still takes too much. I cannot zoom in more. |
| 23:35.08 | jaalto | correction: zoom out. It's greyed out. |
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| 23:35.25 | htmlol | simonrvn: I believe what he said now and before was unnecessarially rude and hostile |
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| 23:35.39 | abrotman | you would! |
| 23:36.11 | quitte | i on the other hand can'T believe how patient abrotman is |
| 23:37.35 | simonrvn | of course you would. |
| 23:37.42 | PiousMinion | Wait, this guy has been telling you he's using debian and asking for support all the while he's been using sidux.... and he can't understand what the problem is? lol, wow |
| 23:37.58 | htmlol | no, not at all |
| 23:38.07 | simonrvn | htmlol: do you really want to see something rude and hostile? i'm willigng to demonstrate ;). |
| 23:38.16 | PiousMinion | hehehe |
| 23:38.20 | simonrvn | s.gng,ng, |
| 23:38.22 | htmlol | there have been no problems at all PiousMinion |
| 23:38.51 | htmlol | which is why I'm so shocked |
| 23:38.54 | PiousMinion | the log would beg to differ |
| 23:39.05 | simonrvn | sighs |
| 23:39.06 | kspath_ | jaalto: did you find the scrolling ascii load monitor? |
| 23:39.13 | htmlol | please do quote logs for me |
| 23:39.34 | jaalto | kspath_: Not yet. I've searched ever since for 4 hours now. |
| 23:39.41 | simonrvn | /ig -replies -time 3600 htmlol |
| 23:39.53 | dustybin | if every single bug left in lenny was resolved in 1 night, would that mean lenny would be released the following day? |
| 23:40.11 | PiousMinion | Don't we have a bot that replies to "based on debian" ? |
| 23:40.22 | simonrvn | !based on debian |
| 23:40.23 | dpkg | Your distribution may be based on Debian, but it is not Debian, and it probably falls short of Debian's standards (see <Debian policy>). Only Debian is supported on #debian. If your distribution has an IRC channel, you can use it instead. Even if your distribution has fewer people in its IRC channel, or doesn't have one, support for distributions other than Debian is offtopic on #debian. |
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| 23:40.26 | jaalto | Btw is there "The matrix" screensaver for Gnome? |
| 23:40.30 | simonrvn | yes, we do |
| 23:40.31 | quitte | dustybin: no. but hell would freeze over |
| 23:40.31 | DogBoy | dustybin, the thing about bugs is you never know when they're all fixed |
| 23:40.41 | PiousMinion | htmlol: ^ |
| 23:40.52 | dustybin | quitte: why would hell freeze over? |
| 23:41.08 | htmlol | alright guys |
| 23:41.14 | htmlol | to solve this problem |
| 23:41.38 | htmlol | I will make a new partition tonight and install debian on it |
| 23:41.48 | htmlol | and only ask questions about that. |
| 23:42.20 | dustybin | what other binary based distros like debian are worth using? |
| 23:42.30 | PiousMinion | Hmm, might not need a new parition if we support debian in a VM. I'm not sure. |
| 23:42.39 | abrotman | dustybin: there's a page that lists numerous 'children' distros |
| 23:43.03 | dustybin | abrotman: not children distros, distros what are NOT based on anything |
| 23:43.12 | abrotman | huh? |
| 23:43.17 | PiousMinion | Does #debian support debian in a VM? :P |
| 23:43.20 | quitte | but like debian! |
| 23:43.39 | PiousMinion | "like" how? |
| 23:43.50 | zorgan | I'm having problems in booting kernels with initramfs |
| 23:43.56 | zorgan | I just get in the busybox |
| 23:44.05 | zorgan | the weird thing is that there is no /dev/sd* or /dev/hd* |
| 23:44.11 | zorgan | anyone knows anything about this? is this a known issue or something? :/ |
| 23:44.12 | dustybin | RHEL/Centos is the only other binary based distro out there |
| 23:44.13 | htmlol | no but I understand what you guys are saying |
| 23:44.19 | PiousMinion | zorgan: modprobe/insmod ? |
| 23:44.26 | htmlol | I don't necessarially agree, but I understand |
| 23:44.38 | htmlol | so yes I will install debian. |
| 23:44.51 | zorgan | PiousMinion: I do have the /dev/disk/by-label/* stuff |
| 23:44.52 | abrotman | dustybin: no |
| 23:44.58 | quitte | zorgan: did you build yourown kernel? |
| 23:45.00 | zorgan | PiousMinion: do you it still might be that? |
| 23:45.04 | dustybin | abrotman: suse is original too, but thats about it |
| 23:45.10 | abrotman | suse also uses RPM |
| 23:45.14 | dustybin | the rest are based on something else |
| 23:45.24 | zorgan | quitte: nope, linux-image-2.6.25-2-686 stock kernel |
| 23:45.25 | quitte | so what is slackware based on? |
| 23:45.32 | PiousMinion | zorgan: Just a suggestion based on my limited experience. I'm sure the others currently responding could help more than I. |
| 23:45.46 | zorgan | PiousMinion: ok, thanks PiousMinion |
| 23:45.59 | zorgan | (upx, too much automatic completion ;) |
| 23:46.07 | dustybin | slackware is original but its not what i would call a binary package distro, its more of a raw kind of distro |
| 23:46.09 | quitte | zorgan: could you give some more details? |
| 23:46.37 | dustybin | so basically, there is no other choice out there, unless you want to be stuck using RPM |
| 23:47.00 | dmoerner | quitte, SLS |
| 23:47.02 | abrotman | !ot |
| 23:47.02 | dpkg | Please keep the discussions in #debian on-topic (i.e., Debian support), or return to the topic after a short while. #debian-offtopic is the place for longer off-topic discussions. |
| 23:47.09 | abrotman | and there are others |
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| 23:47.27 | dustybin | is debian starting to be used more than RHEL in the big world? |
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| 23:48.02 | dustybin | surely a admin would have a better time maintaining a server running debian than RHEL |
| 23:48.04 | htmlol | actually you know what |
| 23:48.04 | quitte_ | zorgan: in case you providedmore detail - please repeat |
| 23:48.05 | zorgan | quitte: sure! were should I start? |
| 23:48.12 | htmlol | forget the sidux |
| 23:48.18 | zorgan | quitte_: repeat? |
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| 23:48.26 | quitte_ | zorgan: did it work with another kernel? is that a fresh install? |
| 23:48.38 | zorgan | I'm currently using a custom 2.6.22 |
| 23:48.41 | htmlol | I'm just gonna back up my stuff and install debian instead |
| 23:48.41 | quitte_ | zorgan: i got disconnected |
| 23:48.51 | zorgan | after 2.6.24 I started having some problems |
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| 23:49.08 | htmlol | because honestly this channel has the best support |
| 23:49.08 | zorgan | I know discovered they were related with the hd->sd device naming |
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| 23:49.17 | htmlol | I'll do it right now |
| 23:49.20 | zorgan | it has changed, right? |
| 23:49.36 | jaalto | kspath_: I didn't find it form debian, but I found this which will suffice http://www.daveltd.com/src/util/ttyload/ |
| 23:49.36 | zorgan | so I just labeled everything and reflected that in fstab |
| 23:49.48 | zorgan | I also done the same in grub |
| 23:49.51 | PiousMinion | another non-debian converted. Today was a good day. |
| 23:49.57 | quitte_ | zorgan: ah. seems you already fgured out your problem then |
| 23:50.02 | zorgan | even though that solved one problem |
| 23:50.12 | zorgan | I still cannot get to boot the kernel |
| 23:50.14 | kspath_ | jaalto: hehehe funny I found ttyload but did not mention because of issue |
| 23:50.40 | zorgan | because it fails to mount the root partition during the initram phase! |
| 23:50.54 | dustybin | im thinking about setting up another box at home will will act as a public server, should i consider using something like freebsd, or should i focus using another debian setup? |
| 23:50.55 | quitte_ | zorgan: did you see any messages about your harddisk being found by the kernel? |
| 23:51.03 | zorgan | I've done some digging I found out that there are no /dev/sd* devices there, nor /dev/hd* |
| 23:51.10 | et | is kde4 going to be in lenny? (only wondering because kdebase-runtime-bin-kde4 got pulled as an update, but it seems only libs and helper binaries got installed |
| 23:51.21 | zorgan | but I can see the /dev/disk/by-label/ partitions |
| 23:51.30 | zorgan | so it seems to be related with udev or something |
| 23:51.35 | abrotman | et: no |
| 23:51.44 | abrotman | et: didn't i tell you that a week ago ? |
| 23:51.46 | jaalto | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:51.53 | dustybin | et: phone home |
| 23:51.56 | et | abrotman: not that I remember. |
| 23:52.00 | zorgan | the strange thing is that if you are using the LABEL= thingy, it should get the partitions under /by-label/ |
| 23:52.03 | zorgan | but it doesn't |
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| 23:52.22 | et | abrotman: funny that the libs get updated, then |
| 23:52.28 | zorgan | quitte_: the harddisk is found, and I can see the partitions under /dev/disk/by-label, inside the busybox shell |
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| 23:52.51 | abrotman | et: NFC... ask #debian-kde |
| 23:53.09 | dustybin | wonders what kde 4.1 is like to use |
| 23:53.24 | quitte_ | zorgan: have you tried root=/dev/disk/by-label... in grub? |
| 23:54.00 | zorgan | # kopt=root=/dev/disk/by-label/root ro |
| 23:54.02 | zorgan | ;) |
| 23:54.16 | zorgan | it's really strange, isn't it? |
| 23:54.22 | quitte_ | zorgan: did you run update-grub afterwards? |
| 23:54.26 | zorgan | yeap |
| 23:54.49 | cheef-daniel | hi, which is the best way to forward all html, pop and smtp requests to another server for a few days? |
| 23:54.58 | dustybin | what do you call a switch what has wireless on it? |
| 23:55.45 | dustybin | imagine a 5 port switch with a wireless built in, how cool would that be |
| 23:56.10 | abrotman | dustybin: this is #debian .. i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 23:56.11 | quitte_ | zorgan: maybe the filsystem module is missing? have you tried mounting that partition in busybox? |
| 23:56.15 | dustybin | ok |
| 23:56.31 | quitte_ | man that would totally be way cool! |
| 23:56.32 | abrotman | cheef-daniel: you can try with iptables .. #iptables |
| 23:56.56 | abrotman | dustybin: i'm serious |
| 23:57.14 | zorgan | quitte_: don't remember... I can do that now, just give me 5mn |
| 23:57.21 | quitte_ | sure |
| 23:57.24 | dustybin | abrotman: yes i know |
| 23:57.26 | cheef-daniel | abrotman, I saw somewhere I can do this with xinetd, would this be a good way too? |
| 23:57.34 | abrotman | cheef-daniel: i'm not aware of that method |
| 23:58.00 | dustybin | where is the debian inhouse expert wols these days |
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| 23:58.29 | abrotman | cheef-daniel: you can try with iptables .. #iptables |
| 23:58.33 | abrotman | bah |
| 23:59.12 | kspath_ | jaalto: have you just considered using load numbers and mrtg? or is this for a purely ascii environ? |
| 23:59.29 | cheef-daniel | abrotman: thank you I will test it |
| 23:59.40 | abrotman | cheef-daniel: sorry .. the last one was a mistake :) |