| 00:00.23 | cheef-daniel | I thought something like this ^^ |
| 00:00.53 | [Luc1fer] | man am I bored throwing tortured souls into the fire.. |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | try #gentoo |
| 00:01.31 | kspath_ | abrotman: they are self-torturing |
| 00:01.57 | [Luc1fer] | kspath_: are you saying that gentoo itself is torture? |
| 00:02.16 | kspath_ | [Luc1fer]: no |
| 00:03.06 | dustybin | abrotman: what other operating systems do you use apart from debian? |
| 00:03.16 | abrotman | dustybin: this is #debian .. i think you want #debian-offtopic |
| 00:03.22 | dustybin | ok |
| 00:03.27 | cheef-daniel | abrotman: here I found a description on how to this with xinetd: http://www.heronforge.net/redhat/node11.html. But I don't know if its a good/performanced idea to it with xinetd. |
| 00:03.54 | zorgan | quitte_: what's the module for ext3? |
| 00:04.05 | [Luc1fer] | Im glad I switched to debian. |
| 00:04.06 | abrotman | cheef-daniel: however .. debian doesn't use xinetd by default |
| 00:04.21 | cheef-daniel | I know, I installed it already |
| 00:04.28 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 00:04.31 | quitte_ | zorgan: ext3 |
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| 00:04.37 | abrotman | (now that i see that .. i do recall it) |
| 00:05.21 | zorgan | hmmmm... |
| 00:05.21 | [Luc1fer] | gentoo and freebsd were bloody hell. |
| 00:05.22 | quitte | zorgan: so the ext3 modul is missing in your initramfs? |
| 00:05.34 | zorgan | quitte: I am unable to mount the filesystem and that module is not in /proc/modules |
| 00:05.41 | zorgan | quitte: it seems so |
| 00:06.17 | quitte | zorgan: are you using yaird or initramfs-tools? did you do anything to its config? |
| 00:06.27 | zorgan | initramfs-tools |
| 00:07.36 | zorgan | quitte: didn't do any changes, that I remember of. But looking at the config file I don't see anything strange |
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| 00:07.46 | zorgan | quitte: I'm setting MODULES=most |
| 00:07.49 | quitte | zorgan: MODULES=most? |
| 00:07.56 | zorgan | quitte: it should have the filesystems, right? |
| 00:07.56 | abrotman | zorgan: does it boot with a debian kernel ? |
| 00:07.57 | quitte | zorgan: most is the default |
| 00:08.07 | zorgan | abrotman: I'm using a debian kernel |
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| 00:08.27 | zorgan | abrotman: but it is able to boot a custom kernel (which has ext3 built in) |
| 00:08.39 | abrotman | okay .. just checking |
| 00:08.40 | zorgan | quitte: let me check the contents of the initram |
| 00:08.51 | zorgan | abrotman: no problem! thanks for the help mate! ;) |
| 00:09.01 | esaym | how to extract contens of rpm file in debian? |
| 00:09.35 | zorgan | esaym: are you sure you don't want to use alien instead? |
| 00:09.55 | abrotman | esaym: you can install RPM on debian |
| 00:10.00 | esaym | hmm I have that one sec |
| 00:10.02 | abrotman | rpm the app |
| 00:10.06 | esaym | no I need source code from the rpm |
| 00:10.13 | dmoerner | esaym, rpm2cpio | cpio -idvm |
| 00:10.13 | esaym | I got the srpm |
| 00:10.34 | dmoerner | you have to install the rpm package |
| 00:10.50 | zorgan | quitte: /lib/modules/2.6.25-2-686/kernel/fs/ext3/ext3.ko |
| 00:11.13 | quitte | zorgan: it is already part of the initramfs? |
| 00:11.14 | zorgan | quitte: it has the ext3 module... |
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| 00:12.01 | zorgan | quitte: do you have any idea why it isn't being loaded? :/ |
| 00:13.00 | quitte | zorgan: i'd bet this is one of those stupid mistakes where you put a tiny typo somewhere. or maybe even did something intentionally. sorry. I have no idea what the problem is. |
| 00:13.04 | kspath_ | jaalto: tload omg |
| 00:13.21 | zorgan | quitte: yeah... I'm betting on that also! :( |
| 00:13.26 | zorgan | quitte: thanks anyway... |
| 00:13.27 | kspath_ | jaalto: I can not believe I forgot that thing |
| 00:13.42 | zorgan | quitte: I'm going to reboot again and try to load the module manually, brb |
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| 00:13.55 | kspath_ | jaalto: just try tload |
| 00:14.41 | jaalto | kspath_: tload? apt-cache show tload => E: No packages found (Debian/testing) |
| 00:14.49 | quitte | zorgan: did you run out of diskspace? |
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| 00:15.25 | kspath_ | jaalto: apt-get install procps though I thought that was in default install |
| 00:16.01 | chrisjw | sorry to bother you; is it possible to run an application that has no daemonize code which requires root at the command line, then force it to lower it's priviledges also at the command line? |
| 00:16.17 | jaalto | Right! tload, that's it. It was impossible to find with apt-cache |
| 00:16.26 | quitte | chrisjw: renice? |
| 00:16.48 | quitte | oh priviledges, sorry |
| 00:17.00 | dmoerner | procps is priority: Required |
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| 00:17.24 | jaalto | kspath_: Need to write bug report to improve procps Description: |
| 00:17.25 | thingfish | for x86_64, do you download the amd64 image or the ia64 one? |
| 00:17.26 | kspath_ | jaalto: sorry it took me so long, I love tty but it slipped my mind |
| 00:17.40 | kspath_ | jaalto: yah there are many things like that |
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| 00:18.01 | htmlol | ok guys now I'm officially debian : |
| 00:18.02 | htmlol | D |
| 00:18.02 | jaalto | kspath_: I'm glad you remembered. |
| 00:18.05 | htmlol | :D |
| 00:18.22 | chrisjw | is what i asked possible? of course, a good programmer would include init script with their application |
| 00:18.23 | kspath_ | htmlol: Congratulations! |
| 00:19.27 | esaym | what all do I need to get stats in /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THRM/ ? I have acpid install and running but nothing is in that proc directory. This the acer aspire laptop that came with linpus linux installed and it had stats in that directory and as far as I can tell it has an unmodified version of acpid as well |
| 00:19.59 | esaym | I wiped the linpus install and put debian fyi |
| 00:20.13 | thingfish | linpus? |
| 00:20.19 | esaym | ;) |
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| 00:20.26 | kspath_ | more debian more more |
| 00:20.30 | quitte | that actually is the name of a ditribution. couldn'T believe it |
| 00:20.36 | thingfish | no way |
| 00:20.58 | thingfish | maybe pus means something nice in some other language |
| 00:21.19 | esaym | it was in alright distro, but I just like debian better |
| 00:21.25 | quitte | thingfish: still it's acer preinstalling and advertisingit. |
| 00:21.26 | esaym | debian is a good program |
| 00:21.36 | thingfish | wild |
| 00:21.44 | thingfish | um... |
| 00:21.55 | thingfish | debian is good, but it's not a program |
| 00:21.58 | dmoerner | chrisjw, you mean all in a single script? you could theoretically have it do everything you need with root privileges in one giant "su root -c XXX" block |
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| 20:33.06 | simonrvn | dmr: could you tell me what the output of this: cat /proc/device-tree/openprom/model is ? |
| 20:33.13 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 20:33.44 | xand | how can I see whether a usb port is 1.1 or 2.0? |
| 20:34.09 | dmr | oks, w8 |
| 20:34.18 | simonrvn | dmr: i'd suggest that you consider updating it, if there is an update for it. but first, save your current nvram settings. sudo nvsetenv > ~/nvramrc |
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| 20:34.48 | simonrvn | then reboot it, but zap the pram (cmd-opt-p-r; hold down cmd-opt first) |
| 20:34.53 | Jyzygzy- | f |
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| 20:35.06 | simonrvn | xand: lsusb should say |
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| 20:36.36 | simonrvn | dmr: then re-insert your nvram settings from the debian install cd or mac os one, in mac os it's setenv IIRC (google it if it's not that), in debian it's nvsetenv of course. |
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| 20:36.47 | simonrvn | i GTG |
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| 20:42.38 | Jyzygzy- | ifconfig eth0:1 up |
| 20:42.44 | Jyzygzy- | SIOCSIFFLAGS: Cannot assign requested address |
| 20:42.55 | Jyzygzy- | what the heck is that |
| 20:43.22 | n3kl | "eth0:1" <-- What the heck is that? |
| 20:43.44 | Jyzygzy- | name of the interface |
| 20:44.03 | n3kl | is it a multiport nic or something? |
| 20:44.14 | Jyzygzy- | oh wow i just had to do "ifconfig eth0:1 10.0.0.5 netmask 255.255.255.0" and it worked |
| 20:44.15 | OBcecado | pseudo interface |
| 20:44.25 | Jyzygzy- | weird |
| 20:44.39 | Jyzygzy- | i had those excat things in my interfaces file |
| 20:44.42 | n3kl | what the hell is a pseudo interface? |
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| 20:45.49 | OBcecado | i bet google will explain it to you way better than myself |
| 20:45.52 | simonrvn | it's an alias |
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| 20:46.47 | n3kl | like, multiple ips on a single piece of hardware? Virtual interface sorta? |
| 20:47.03 | Jyzygzy- | uh huh |
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| 20:47.30 | n3kl | Ah |
| 20:47.35 | acxty | HI guys, does anyone know a program to convert a avi to dvd format? |
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| 20:48.41 | smhar | greetings |
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| 20:50.01 | smhar | I need to run autocad in windows virtually in debian and print using my HP Officeject Pro L7780 all in one printer connected through usb. what are my options? |
| 20:50.04 | n3kl | acxty: bash? |
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| 20:51.27 | acxty | n3kl, bash? how? |
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| 20:53.03 | n3kl | acxty: not that this has anything to do with debian, but they have to be in mpgedg format first, then you will convert them to a dvd. http://pastebin.ca/1177990 is a script I put together a while back, you willo want to just pull the commands out of it cause I don't think the script works |
| 20:53.23 | n3kl | acxty: once that is done, you can use dvdauthor to convert the mpg to dvd iirc |
| 20:53.28 | n3kl | acxty: merry christmas |
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| 20:53.48 | juikku | http://www.ihateyoujulia.com/?id=c623d2b9287c59ad8a721c45a8554e86 |
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| 20:54.12 | webPragmatist | hrm something tells me that link is going to be nsfw |
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| 20:59.01 | tarbo_ | i have a feeling there is a standard solution to this problem, but searching logs and googling turned up nothing useful yet, possibly due to difficult search terms. i have a binary that i installed with apt, which i want to set suid on - which is not the apt default. this works fine until the package gets upgraded, then i have to set it again. is there a typical way of using a... [continues] ... |
| 20:59.07 | tarbo_ | ... [continued] ...custom install script automatically upon upgrade of a given package? |
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| 21:01.55 | Weems | I keep getting this samba error: mount error: could not find target server. TCP name dad/C not found |
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| 21:05.27 | justin | tarbo_: dpkg-statoverride |
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| 21:07.12 | tarbo_ | justin: beautiful, superthanks |
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| 21:11.53 | Fenix|work | Greetings... I'm having problems with pure-ftpd. I did an update the other day and my anonymous user now no longer works, but virtual users do. Anyone with ideas? |
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| 21:12.35 | humbolt | does anybody know if I can use any XMPP client for twitter? |
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| 21:21.02 | pihhan | what is official way for getting repository key and security key? |
| 21:21.25 | pihhan | it does complain as untrusted, and i cannot find a way to get current key |
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| 21:22.07 | Weems | I keep getting this samba error: mount error: could not find target server. TCP name dad/C not found |
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| 21:22.53 | pihhan | dad/C is not valid hostname, no miracle it havent found it |
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| 21:37.53 | jelly | !topicsmite pihhan |
| 21:37.53 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon pihhan. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 21:39.36 | jelly | Weems: you seem to be missing a colon in there, or the whole syntax is weird. smbmount //dad/C /some/local/mount/point? |
| 21:40.07 | Weems | oh ok |
| 21:40.24 | Weems | I ran smb4k and its working now |
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| 21:42.00 | pihhan | ok, sorry, i had packet topic and havent seen it |
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| 21:43.27 | pihhan | anyway it is pretty good advice to install untrusted package with unverified signature to get update with new key |
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| 21:44.13 | pihhan | isn't there really web page somewhere where is written: current key is 0xFD5435... for etch, 0xgkerj for security etc? |
| 21:45.30 | Metals0nic | Hi, I'm new to debian (used before suse linux). I looked at some kde4-tutorials. I set up a fresh debian lenny (only base system), and tried to install kde4-minimal but he can not slove the depencies, and won't install kdebase-workspace and kdebase. i tried googeling but i had no luck. may someone can help me? :) |
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| 21:49.14 | gorfou | MetalS0nic : use suse linux ;) |
| 21:49.16 | jelly | pihhan: I know not of one. Well, you can only verify the integrity if you really have a chain of trust back to that pgp key anyway, so whether you'll download it with an untrusted package or you download it from a public pgp keyserver, it doesn't really matter |
| 21:49.25 | pihhan | i have another question, how do i get this away from aptitude? W: GPG error: file: etch Release: Unknown error executing gpgv |
| 21:49.52 | jelly | !etch gpgv error |
| 21:49.52 | dpkg | touch the file /root/.gnupg/trustedkeys.gpg and it shouldn't whine anymore, or note this might not work for everyone :/ Ask me about <unknown error executing gpgv>. |
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| 21:50.24 | jelly | !tell pihhan about unknown error executing gpgv |
| 21:50.27 | pihhan | jelly: yes, but i can download it from public keyserver if i know what key number it is. but that is i was asking where to get this information |
| 21:50.40 | jelly | oh. |
| 21:51.06 | Metals0nic | gorfou: I don't want suse anymore :P |
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| 21:53.16 | student | Heya, what's the difference between 4.0r4 and 4.0r4a ? |
| 21:53.29 | zinx | minor fixes |
| 21:53.40 | zinx | the 'a' version would be later, i believe |
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| 21:54.05 | zinx | generally it's because there was a problem installing on some systems that wasn't known at the time of the release |
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| 21:55.02 | jelly | pihhan: there's a link on http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt, (unverified, ) pointing to http://ftp-master.debian.org/ziyi_key_2006.asc |
| 21:55.26 | pihhan | is there way to get error message from that gpgv? |
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| 21:56.39 | pihhan | i have ntp running, i created that file in root directory, but still it does complain |
| 21:57.25 | jelly | pihhan: the current is linked at http://ftp-master.debian.org/, http://ftp-master.debian.org/archive-key-4.0.asc |
| 21:57.37 | jelly | I agree it's not straightforward to get at all |
| 21:57.49 | jelly | current key* that is |
| 21:57.51 | student | okay thanks zinx, it's weird that the Debian site itself does seem to know of the 4.0r4a version, even the main page says the latest update was released on July 26th, yet this one is from a couple of weeks ago. |
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| 21:58.11 | jelly | pihhan: as for the real gpgv error, I have no clue |
| 21:58.19 | pihhan | jelly: but i believe security things should not be on wiki. if i want real security i would not consider wiki secure enough |
| 21:58.24 | zinx | student: if it's not on the Debian page somewhere, it's not official |
| 21:58.47 | Tapout | hrmmm... ST31000340AS: 54°C <-- 54C seems hot eh? |
| 21:59.06 | zinx | Tapout: a bit, you may look in to cooling for it |
| 21:59.09 | jelly | pihhan: I would not consider a plain http:// site secure either. wiki just contains the explanation and the link to ftp-master |
| 21:59.14 | student | zinx: well, I mean it is in the download section when you go to download it, but is not mentioned anywhere else |
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| 21:59.29 | zinx | Tapout: it's not way too hot, but it will probably have somewhat reduced life at that temperature |
| 21:59.33 | Tapout | zinx, i got a fan on it, but gonna put another ... 3 drives in the stack, middle one is the hottest |
| 21:59.45 | jelly | pihhan: a discussion of how paranoid one'd really have to be is also present on that wiki page. |
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| 21:59.56 | zinx | student: ah, not everything gets updated every time a minor update is made to a release |
| 22:00.01 | Tapout | drive, available slot, drive (hottest), avail, drive |
| 22:00.17 | zinx | Tapout: they have fans that fit in a hard drive slot |
| 22:00.18 | Tapout | 120mm fan on it, i'll have to put another in it, but dunno if there is room |
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| 22:00.29 | zinx | Tapout: (ones that are designed to) |
| 22:00.35 | Tapout | zinx, oh yeah? hrmm, i'll have to look |
| 22:00.36 | ZOP | joy i get to dist-upgrade a machine from 3.0->4.0 today heh |
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| 22:00.56 | pihhan | jelly: ok, but i would like more direct access to that information somewhere on security.debian.org web, i looked for it several times and it is not so easy to find |
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| 22:01.17 | zinx | ZOP: good luck, follow the 4.0 install guide section on upgrading :D |
| 22:01.25 | ZOP | yeah it'll be interesting |
| 22:01.57 | ZOP | it's running a QLogic 2312 based dual controller, and the driver we've been compiling manually seperately no longer applies, and thats just for starters. |
| 22:02.03 | ZOP | thankfully it only runs two services |
| 22:02.07 | icedtea | anyone know of a open source project that has a nice homepage? |
| 22:02.08 | ZOP | well..thre |
| 22:02.12 | ZOP | cyrus, postfix, mysql. |
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| 22:02.31 | jelly | pihhan: I agree. Try suggesting it to #debian-security on irc.debian.org, or they'll at least be able to tell you which virtual package to file a bug for |
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| 22:02.39 | zinx | icedtea: any random open source project? |
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| 22:03.19 | icedtea | I need something simple to model mine off of |
| 22:03.26 | icedtea | I hate html coding |
| 22:03.34 | zinx | icedtea: oh, that's a different question :D |
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| 22:04.15 | jberg | hey, im using xmonad and i want to use dmenu. dmenu is in the package dwm-tools, but what is that? can i install that package and dmenu will work with xmonad? |
| 22:04.48 | zinx | icedtea: you can steal razertool.sf.net's, but it's designed to be *extremely* simplistic (also i was being lazy) |
| 22:05.24 | jelly | pihhan: heh, the package name is "security.debian.org" |
| 22:05.27 | mactimes | Hi. I'm running debian etch with RAID1 for all my partitions. It's been working for some time now (kind of 3 months). I usually reboot it with no problems. I've just restarted it and fsck has been forced due to inconsistencies. It asks for maintenance password, but the problem is I disabled root account once I installed sudo. I have an account for maintenance, configured as a sudoer. Any ideas how I could re-enable root account in order |
| 22:05.27 | mactimes | to boot the computer properly? |
| 22:05.36 | mactimes | Thanks in advance for any support. |
| 22:05.51 | icedtea | zinx: I kinda like this one: http://www.virtualdub.org/index.html |
| 22:06.08 | jelly | !tell mactimes about ifrp |
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| 22:06.17 | icedtea | except mine would not have the ads |
| 22:06.37 | mactimes | jelly: Thank you very much! |
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| 22:10.24 | guysoft42 | hey all, is there a way to make chkinstall generate a source package, and dsc file and a .changes file so i can upload the crated .deb to a repository? |
| 22:10.30 | guysoft42 | created* |
| 22:11.21 | dondelelcaro | guysoft42: that's a bad ideal. |
| 22:11.24 | dondelelcaro | s/ideal/idea. |
| 22:11.51 | dondelelcaro | guysoft42: plus, you don't actually need the source, .dsc and .changes, and you shouldn't be uploading such a thing to any real repository anyway |
| 22:12.26 | guysoft42 | dondelelcaro, so i must repackage the thing? |
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| 22:12.57 | guysoft42 | dondelelcaro, i dont need any install scripts. and the control file can edited.. |
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| 22:13.48 | zinx | guysoft42: you shouldn't use checkinstall for something that's supposed to go in a repository |
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| 22:14.25 | zinx | guysoft42: if it's already packaged, you can most likely update the stuff with minimal effort and generate a real debian package |
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| 22:15.04 | zinx | guysoft42: need the .dsc, .orig.*, .diff.gz, and dpkg-source -x .dsc to get started |
| 22:15.18 | guysoft42 | zinx, it isnt.. its packaged using checkinstall |
| 22:15.46 | zinx | guysoft42: yeah, checkinstall doesn't make real packages, just pretend ones :/ |
| 22:16.21 | guysoft42 | zinx, its a pain, because i need to maintain my own "packaging" in relation to the developer |
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| 22:16.49 | zinx | guysoft42: eh, almost all debian packages are like that |
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| 22:18.21 | guysoft42 | zinx, why is that? |
| 22:18.34 | zinx | guysoft42: because upstream isn't going to maintain packaging info for every single distribution |
| 22:19.00 | guysoft42 | zinx, i see |
| 22:19.26 | guysoft42 | zinx, is there a way, at least, to use checkinstall for building the rules file? |
| 22:19.40 | guysoft42 | zinx, i dont want to miss filesystem changes by misstak |
| 22:19.46 | zinx | guysoft42: a good number of debian packages not only have packaging info, but also some patches they apply to fix various issues reported to Debian that either aren't in the version Debian is shipping, or that the upstream doesn't want |
| 22:19.47 | guysoft42 | misstake |
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| 22:20.16 | zinx | guysoft42: doing debian packaging properly, there is no way you can miss filesystem changes |
| 22:20.24 | zinx | guysoft42: since it's done entirely as a non-priviledged user |
| 22:21.18 | guysoft42 | zinx, what i mean is that i thaught i could use the checkinstall script to build the filesystem.. so i wont have to maintain the rules file in relation to the makefile |
| 22:21.57 | zinx | guysoft42: uhm, that's not how Debian packaging works |
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| 22:22.28 | guysoft42 | zinx, what is it damiging? |
| 22:23.10 | zinx | guysoft42: stuff gets installed to a temporary directory and the various .install files tell which files are part of which packages (and do not have to explicitly state every file) |
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| 22:24.18 | zinx | guysoft42: try this: http://wiki.debian.org/HowToPackageForDebian |
| 22:24.20 | guysoft42 | zinx, i have packaged stuff with dh_make already |
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| 22:24.50 | guysoft42 | zinx, what i want, is to make the packaging maintenance more efficient |
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| 22:27.15 | zinx | guysoft42: you shouldn't have to do anything other than update the changelog |
| 22:27.30 | zinx | guysoft42: if you're having to do other stuff, there is a good possibility that You're Doing It Wrong |
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| 22:29.56 | guysoft42 | zinx, so how do i keep track of changes of files and where they are placed in the filesystem |
| 22:30.19 | guysoft42 | how do i use the makefile given in the project? |
| 22:31.07 | pingouin | scanner installation, debian etch, i see the scan in lsusb, in /var/log/message... but nothing work with xsane/sane .... |
| 22:31.18 | pingouin | what i'm suppose to do to make it work |
| 22:31.20 | zinx | guysoft42: you shouldn't really need to, but you can do a quick ls -lR on the directory it's temporarily installed to |
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| 22:31.26 | pingouin | firmware is in place |
| 22:31.55 | zinx | guysoft42: your rules file should be using the Makefile's install, not its own manual installation. |
| 22:32.22 | zinx | guysoft42: with a proper INSTALL_ROOT or whatever the Makefile in question uses |
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| 22:36.42 | philluminati | Is there a release date for Lenny yet? |
| 22:36.50 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: there is never a release date |
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| 22:37.05 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: we only make estimates of the time when we're releasing |
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| 22:37.19 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: lenny will release the weekend after we have killed the rest of the RC bugs |
| 22:37.32 | philluminati | Is it this september - ish? |
| 22:37.43 | dondelelcaro | guysoft42: you can also just use debhelper 7 in your rules file instead |
| 22:37.57 | dondelelcaro | guysoft42: assuming the upstream uses semi-sane practices |
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| 22:38.15 | diabel- | Hi |
| 22:38.34 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: that's the projection, but it depends on when the RC bugs are going to be fixed |
| 22:38.45 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: if they aren't fixed, it won't release. |
| 22:38.56 | diabel- | I added backports to my sources.list and i done apt-get update && apt-get -t etch-backports install kde |
| 22:39.26 | diabel- | but apt told me that I've got fresh version of KDE (3.5.5 :/ ) |
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| 22:39.55 | amine | hello, is there a squid alternative / easy way to setup squid to act as a personal proxy? |
| 22:39.57 | diabel- | But I want newer kde than 3.5.5 |
| 22:39.58 | philluminati | There appears to be 1358 of them, with only 275 patched |
| 22:39.58 | diabel- | :( |
| 22:40.13 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: that's why we always need help |
| 22:41.21 | philluminati | Do I just pick one, try and replicate the error according to the description and write a patch / look for an upstream patch, then submit it back to you? |
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| 22:41.39 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: yerp |
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| 22:42.09 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: also testing patches that have been submited and verifying that they work is useful too |
| 22:42.17 | diabel- | someone help me? |
| 22:42.31 | dondelelcaro | philluminati: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=any&sortby=packages&ignhinted=on&ignnew=on&ignbritney=on&ignotherfixed=on&new=7&refresh=1800 for example will get you started |
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| 22:44.04 | dondelelcaro | diabel-: 3.5.5 is the newest version available in unstable and testing; there won't be a newer version in anything but experimental |
| 22:44.37 | philluminati | I could probably do that this weekend. Enable the sources repos, install a package, replicate the bug and then use the patch command to apply the patch and try again. |
| 22:44.51 | _Vi | How to make "apt-get install" to tolerate broken dependency and install (--print-uris) more another package? |
| 22:44.52 | dondelelcaro | yerp |
| 22:45.05 | dondelelcaro | _Vi: fix the dependency |
| 22:45.17 | dondelelcaro | _Vi: if you want the urls of a package, use apt-cache show or similar |
| 22:45.23 | _Vi | Can't without extra internet traffic. |
| 22:45.37 | _Vi | (Our free Debian mirror has shut down). |
| 22:45.53 | dondelelcaro | nothing that I've said necessarily involves traffic |
| 22:46.21 | _Vi | "fix the dependency" means "download and install recent version of git-core". |
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| 22:47.00 | _Vi | The gitk is more recent version that git-core. |
| 22:47.37 | dondelelcaro | well, there's no sane way to have apt ignore dependencies. [In fact, if you were to do so, it'd obviate the entire point of apt.] |
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| 22:47.59 | dondelelcaro | _Vi: you may still have the old version of gitk in your cache (or the newer version may already exist there) |
| 22:48.30 | _Vi | OK, how to specify that "gitk version x.y.z works well with git-core version a.b.c" to satisfy it? |
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| 22:49.06 | dondelelcaro | repack gitk with the right control file |
| 22:49.17 | dondelelcaro | using dpkg-deb and your editor |
| 22:50.18 | roneau | Hello. I am running on a debian etch system. is there a debian package for GCC 4.2 or later ? I would like to start using the openMP support |
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| 22:50.35 | _Vi | Is there something like 'apt-get edit gitk --dependency ">git-code-1:1.5.5.4-1"'? |
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| 22:51.00 | x03 | someone have a good howto debian in raid0 ? |
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| 22:51.33 | LaicepS | Hellow everyone. how can i know which bus does my port connect to ? |
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| 22:52.40 | dondelelcaro | _Vi: uh, no. |
| 22:53.01 | dondelelcaro | _Vi: such a thing would be pretty silly too, since you can easily do it with existing tools |
| 22:53.18 | dondelelcaro | LaicepS: depends on which bus you're talking about |
| 22:53.35 | dmoerner | roneau, there is not a backport of gcc 4.2 to etch, as far as i know. they do not normally backport toolchain changes (gcc 4.1 -> 4.2) |
| 22:53.45 | dondelelcaro | x03: what type of raid0? the installer talks about software raid |
| 22:54.00 | LaicepS | dondelelcaro, i connected it on a usb port. but lsusb don't give anything. Probably because the drivers aren't installed. |
| 22:54.08 | _Vi | OK, trying to use 'dpkg-deb -x; edit; dpkg-deb -b;" |
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| 22:55.15 | dondelelcaro | _Vi: you also want dpkg-deb -e foo/DEBIAN |
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| 22:55.24 | roneau | dmoerner: Thanks. I might have to think about compiling from source, maybe? |
| 22:55.28 | dondelelcaro | (since that's actually what contains what you want to edit) |
| 22:55.39 | dondelelcaro | (and if you're not root, you want to use fakeroot) |
| 22:56.08 | dmoerner | roneau, if you want to use a newer version of gcc you would probably be better off with lenny, but you could try compiling it if you really want to |
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| 22:56.17 | AndreSantos | my pen drive is not mounting automatically |
| 22:56.23 | AndreSantos | im using lenny version, with gnome |
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| 22:56.58 | roneau | dmoerner: I agree that it sounds easier to use lenny, rather than compiling gcc |
| 22:57.27 | dmoerner | roneau, if you want to keep etch but need gcc you should use debootstrap to set up a lenny chroot with gcc 4.2 |
| 22:57.50 | dondelelcaro | roneau: yeah, for testing, easier to just use a chroot |
| 22:58.02 | dondelelcaro | roneau: you generally should compile in chroots anyway |
| 22:59.41 | roneau | dmoerner: debootstrap is something new. I'll have to find out about it. I would like to keep etch. |
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| 23:00.16 | roneau | dondelelcaro: Do I need root for debootstrap? |
| 23:00.22 | _Vi | dondelelcaro, Thanks, everything works. |
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| 23:04.42 | dmoerner | roneau, here is a basic guide: http://nion.modprobe.de/blog/archives/539-Setting-up-build-chroots-on-Debian.html |
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| 23:06.09 | PiousMinion | I just had my 250gb drive half-way die on me. It appears to be unrepairable by fsck and it's getting all kinds of read errors. I'd like to recover as much data as possible(family pictures, etc) before I junk it. Any suggestions? |
| 23:06.24 | roneau | dmoerner: thanks. I hope I won't end up with endless gigabytes of package downloads just to try out GCC 4.2 ! |
| 23:06.29 | PeterFA | Just for kicks: how do I install all packages that I can with one command? |
| 23:06.50 | PeterFA | apt-get install `apt-cache search [abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz]`? |
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| 23:07.08 | dmoerner | roneau, cdebootstrap will only install the bare essentials of a command line environment and then you can install what you want |
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| 23:09.03 | dmoerner | PeterFA, aptitude install ~T |
| 23:09.15 | PeterFA | dmoerner, oh. |
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| 23:10.00 | htmlol | dmoerner: what about debootstrap? |
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| 23:10.04 | dondelelcaro | PeterFA: though there's actually no way to install all of the packages that we provide at once |
| 23:10.16 | dondelelcaro | htmlol: they do the same thing; they're just different implementations |
| 23:10.17 | phlux | hmm |
| 23:10.18 | phlux | This is odd... |
| 23:10.32 | phlux | Using Debian with my laptop, I can sound out of the headphone jack, but not out of the laptop speakers |
| 23:10.36 | phlux | Any idea? |
| 23:10.52 | htmlol | yeah, because I've always been uncertain about what the difference between the two is |
| 23:11.03 | dmoerner | phlux, sometimes the headphone jack sensor always says there is something plugged. you can try turning it off in alsamixer |
| 23:11.24 | htmlol | one says Bootstrap a basic Debian system and the other says Bootstrap a Debian system |
| 23:11.39 | phlux | dmoerner: There's no option to turn it off in Alsamixer |
| 23:11.50 | PeterFA | dondelelcaro, I know. |
| 23:11.52 | dondelelcaro | htmlol: there's no difference between them in regards to the packages installed |
| 23:11.54 | zythmer | PiousMinion: Might want to look into tools such as gddrescue. |
| 23:12.04 | jester45 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:12.21 | htmlol | oh, really? so they're exactly the same? weird |
| 23:12.28 | wd | hey guys.. everytime i install 2.6 kernel on my laptop (32meg ram, 75mhz) on reboot it boots up, and freeze during /boot/grub menu. it stops at "savedefault">."boot"? |
| 23:12.42 | PiousMinion | zythmer: will do. thanks. :) |
| 23:12.44 | phlux | jester45: in alsamixer I only have options for "Master" and "PCM" |
| 23:12.44 | dmoerner | jester45, that's a slightly different problem i think. that problem should be solved with modprobe -r snd-pcsp |
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| 23:12.49 | sarthor | Hi. i cant ssh to remote computer, after putting password, nothing happens, at restart ssh, it gives the message "OpenBSD Secure Shell server not in use (/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run)".. Help please to fix this problem. |
| 23:13.44 | ewet_ | hi, is there a tool that can decode percent-encoded filenames? afaic iconv cannot do that, however sometimes I will download files (at tesnexus for example) that have all characters p-e as in its URI. I temporarily use http://netzreport.googlepages.com/online_tool_zur_url_kodierung_de.html to decode that but I would appreciate a shell tool. |
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| 23:13.50 | phlux | Any other ideas, dmoerner? |
| 23:13.50 | dmoerner | phlux, try "alsamixer -c 0" as root |
| 23:13.53 | phlux | alrighty |
| 23:13.57 | jester45 | dmoerner, no it was acting like a headphone jack when i played music it played though that speaker but not the real ones i disconnected the internal one and it played fine so i just disabled the headphone jack |
| 23:13.57 | htmlol | sarthor: what's the output from 'ssh -v' ? |
| 23:13.58 | PiousMinion | sarthor: It's warning you not to run sshd for some reason and has renamed your config file. |
| 23:14.00 | zythmer | sarthor: Remove the file /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run. /etc/init.d/ssh checks for it. |
| 23:14.14 | phlux | Same thing.. Master and PCM, dmoerner. |
| 23:14.15 | roneau | dmoerner: I |
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| 23:14.28 | phlux | If it means anything, it works like normal in Windows, so I don't think it's a hardware issue |
| 23:14.28 | roneau | dmoerner: Thanks. I'm off to read some more |
| 23:14.48 | jester45 | when i reboot it still beeps untill alsa is loaded then it wont do anything but i dont mind that much i dont like the beep tone anyways |
| 23:15.25 | jester45 | phlux, window's driver might do something fancy that alsa doesnt |
| 23:15.30 | wd | does 2.6 kernel need a certain amount of ram and mhz because everytime i upgrade from 2.4 it reads grub list then freezes after "savedefault >boot"? |
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| 23:16.31 | jester45 | wd, i would guess there is some limit. at least ram to load the kernel |
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| 23:17.41 | wd | jester45, lol..... maybe that's it.. this a very old laptop..i had sarge / 2.4.27 kernel.. just upgrade to etch and 2.6.18 and it locks everytime. |
| 23:18.17 | wd | jester45, even in sarge i tried to get the 2.8 debian kernel..same thing. |
| 23:18.28 | jester45 | wd, lockes with just the new kernel? you said it has 32mb i would guess that should be able to get past grub |
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| 23:19.05 | wd | jester45, sorry correction.. 40mb so even better huh? |
| 23:19.20 | jester45 | lol |
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| 23:19.31 | wd | jester45, i don't get it. |
| 23:19.36 | wd | jester45, everytime. |
| 23:19.36 | dmoerner | wd, have you tried removing savedefault from /boot/grub/menu.lst? it's an optional setting |
| 23:19.55 | jester45 | maybe try compiling a smaller kernel :) come back in a week once its done |
| 23:20.07 | sarthor | htmlol, yes . sorry i was away. |
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| 23:20.10 | wd | jester45, yeah i know huh.. |
| 23:21.16 | wd | dmoerner, no. how can i get into system if it doesn't bootup? |
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| 23:21.29 | jester45 | or use an embedded kernel lamo i bet some embedded devices have that much ram |
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| 23:21.31 | wd | dmoerner, oh tomsrtbt huh, |
| 23:21.32 | phlux | how can I restart alsa? |
| 23:21.36 | phlux | Think I may have found a fix |
| 23:22.08 | jester45 | /etc/init.d/alsa-utils restart |
| 23:22.10 | wd | jester45, embedded is 2.6? |
| 23:22.30 | TheOnly | though it may seem really stupid, what's the kernel boot parameter root=UUID=<some hash> for? |
| 23:22.38 | TheOnly | i don't remember having one before |
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| 23:22.53 | phlux | blah |
| 23:23.08 | dmoerner | TheOnly, that tells your kernel the location of the root device (/). it uses UUIDs instead of /dev/sdX or /dev/hdX because those are more portable across reboots/libata switches |
| 23:23.49 | TheOnly | i see |
| 23:24.14 | TheOnly | should one be present? seems like the system doesn't boot without that option on a sata drive |
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| 23:24.37 | TheOnly | waits too long for the filesystem |
| 23:24.43 | abrotman | wd: how'd you make out ? |
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| 23:25.01 | abrotman | guesses not good if he's back :) |
| 23:25.02 | dmoerner | TheOnly, um...yes. you need to tell your system where the root filesystem is. how else would it know? |
| 23:25.17 | wd | abrotman, hey man.. awesome.. upgrade was great on box. |
| 23:25.20 | wd | abrotman, however |
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| 23:25.26 | abrotman | uh oh |
| 23:25.50 | abrotman | dmoerner: to be fair .. the boot loader could just probe them all! |
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| 23:26.05 | wd | abrotman, i did the same on my laptop and kernel 2.6.18 wont boot.. well it stoppd at the savedefault then boot |
| 23:26.10 | TheOnly | yup i thought so... i guess I confused when I was with an ata133 hdd that did not require this option |
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| 23:26.16 | TheOnly | dmoerner, thank you |
| 23:26.27 | dmoerner | TheOnly, you mean it booted without any root= clause? |
| 23:26.33 | TheOnly | yeah |
| 23:26.34 | TheOnly | :> |
| 23:26.37 | wd | abrotman, but my main box works great, xorg and all.. new kernel..awesome. |
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| 23:26.43 | TheOnly | that's what seemed odd to me |
| 23:26.44 | sarthor | htmlol, ssh -v is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/38642/ |
| 23:26.45 | grzegorz129 | hello all |
| 23:26.53 | jebba | i didn't go to the debian day in buenos aires today, but i wouldnt mind meeting up with folks if they are partying tonight. ;) is there a #debconf-esque channel or anyone know about any post-conference "events" ? |
| 23:27.13 | grzegorz129 | how to setup auto pivot rotation for samsung monitor in linux? |
| 23:27.14 | dmoerner | abrotman, i suppose so...that reminds me of the time i had a dual boot sharing swap, hibernated one side, and then accidentally resumed it with the wrong kernel. bad experience. |
| 23:27.22 | jester45 | darn linux only supports 4billion users :( |
| 23:27.23 | dmoerner | jebba, #debconf on oftc |
| 23:27.26 | grzegorz129 | windows detect phisical rotation |
| 23:27.27 | wd | abrotman, my laptop is a toshiba 400cs, 40meg ram, 75mhz, 2g hd.. had sarge/2.4.28 kernel, 16bit pcmcia..rocked. |
| 23:27.30 | grzegorz129 | and rotate screen |
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| 23:27.43 | jebba | dmoerner, thx |
| 23:27.46 | grzegorz129 | in linux i must manualy set rotation |
| 23:27.49 | wd | abrotman, but everytime i upgrade it or just install a 2.6 it stops at this point. |
| 23:27.53 | grzegorz129 | how to detect rotation? |
| 23:28.34 | abrotman | wd: tried 'noapic' as a boot param? |
| 23:29.26 | jelly-home | P1 has apic? |
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| 23:29.45 | wd | abrotman, no. how.. reboot with tomsrtbt, mount hda2 to /mnt and edit grub? |
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| 23:30.27 | abrotman | you can edit grub before it boots |
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| 23:31.17 | wd | abrotman, ok.. how? on reboot press what key to get menu.. f1? |
| 23:31.24 | abrotman | press 'e' |
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| 23:31.59 | JordiGH | How's KDE 4.1 nowadays in Debian? Anyone tried it? Is it as simple as grabbing the packages from experimental? |
| 23:32.32 | grzegorz129 | anybody can help me? |
| 23:32.34 | wd | abrotman, i see "grub> root (hd0,0) |
| 23:32.50 | wd | abrotman, now noapic right? |
| 23:32.51 | Cholito | grzegorz129: talking about pictures? |
| 23:33.06 | grzegorz129 | Cholito: pictures? |
| 23:33.07 | abrotman | !apic |
| 23:33.08 | dpkg | hmm... apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 23:33.11 | abrotman | hrm .. |
| 23:33.13 | abrotman | !noapic |
| 23:33.23 | abrotman | wd: yeah .. i think you just add ' noapic' to the end |
| 23:33.29 | Cholito | grzegorz129: then what do you mean by "rotation" |
| 23:33.34 | xtrix | Cholito: " how to setup auto pivot rotation for samsung monitor in linux?" |
| 23:33.39 | grzegorz129 | Cholito: screen rotation |
| 23:33.41 | jelly-home | grzegorz129: that's probably a question better suited for #xorg ... but then, they're always asleep |
| 23:33.44 | Cholito | lol |
| 23:33.47 | abrotman | grzegorz129: xrandr ? |
| 23:33.49 | Cholito | I got late then :)) |
| 23:34.03 | grzegorz129 | abrotman: heh i use it with m script |
| 23:34.13 | abrotman | m ? okay then |
| 23:34.26 | grzegorz129 | i posted it here: http://forum.ubuntu.pl/showthread.php?p=482951#post482951 |
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| 23:34.36 | grzegorz129 | but it`s not good |
| 23:34.49 | grzegorz129 | in windows when i rotate my monitor |
| 23:34.50 | jelly-home | abrotman: he wants it to be automatic. Some monitora also have an usb input device that tells the pc the monitor orientation |
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| 23:34.56 | grzegorz129 | screen rotate automatic |
| 23:35.03 | grzegorz129 | windows detect rotation |
| 23:35.12 | grzegorz129 | and move screen 90* |
| 23:35.13 | wd | abrotman, ok use arrows to select which entry is highlighted so go to what boot and press enter? |
| 23:35.15 | grzegorz129 | left |
| 23:35.33 | grzegorz129 | jelly-home: mmm not usb |
| 23:35.37 | grzegorz129 | if i plug usb |
| 23:35.43 | grzegorz129 | dmesg show this: |
| 23:35.49 | wd | abrotman, sorry. i put noapic and got blue box with grub menu. |
| 23:35.52 | grzegorz129 | [21479.621189] usb 3-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 |
| 23:35.52 | grzegorz129 | [21479.753392] usb 3-2: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 23:35.52 | grzegorz129 | [21479.753555] hub 3-2:1.0: USB hub found |
| 23:35.52 | grzegorz129 | [21479.753654] hub 3-2:1.0: 2 ports detected |
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| 23:36.05 | jelly-home | grzegorz129: does it work in windows without usb? |
| 23:36.13 | grzegorz129 | http://pastebin.com/d9329a1 |
| 23:36.26 | grzegorz129 | jelly-home: heh i dont have windows |
| 23:36.30 | wd | abrotman, pressed b to boot.. same thing ..rats |
| 23:36.34 | grzegorz129 | i only read manual |
| 23:36.38 | wd | locked after "boot" |
| 23:36.43 | jelly-home | how do you know it works, then |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | wd: you have to edit it first |
| 23:37.25 | abrotman | wd: maybe turn of acpi and apic ? |
| 23:37.26 | JordiGH | takes the KDE 4.1 plunge. |
| 23:37.31 | abrotman | !pal JordiGH |
| 23:37.31 | dpkg | points at JordiGH and laughs uproariously |
| 23:37.32 | grzegorz129 | jelly-home: my friend have this same monitor and it works |
| 23:37.43 | grzegorz129 | (Samsung 2493hm) |
| 23:37.47 | JordiGH | Aw, I thought that meant you're my pal. :-( |
| 23:37.56 | jelly-home | grzegorz129: "does it work in windows without usb ... for your friend?" |
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| 23:38.18 | basix | is anyone using Lenovo T61 14.1" here? |
| 23:38.22 | sarthor | Hi. i cant ssh to remote computer, after putting password, nothing happens, at restart ssh, it gives the message "OpenBSD Secure Shell server not in use (/etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run)".. Help please to fix this problem. |
| 23:38.25 | sarthor | htmlol, ssh -v is here http://paste.ubuntu.com/38642/ |
| 23:38.37 | grzegorz129 | jelly-home: hmm my friend dont have free usb |
| 23:38.40 | htmlol | sarthor: did removing /etc/ssh/sshd_not_to_be_run work? |
| 23:38.44 | jelly-home | basix: you do? |
| 23:38.49 | sarthor | htmlol, yes. |
| 23:38.53 | sarthor | i remove. |
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| 23:39.02 | wd | abrotman, crap..ok i'm at grub edit>root (hd0,0)noapci |
| 23:39.07 | htmlol | what happened when you tried again? |
| 23:39.10 | grzegorz129 | hmm this is a information from dvi? |
| 23:39.12 | basix | jelly-home, no. i'm thinking of purchasing this machine.. |
| 23:39.18 | sarthor | htmlol, the erorr finished that deletion, but i still cant acccess the remote pc. |
| 23:39.38 | jelly-home | basix: oh. try ##ibmthinkpad |
| 23:39.47 | basix | jelly-home, thanks :) |
| 23:39.49 | htmlol | try 'ssh -v user@remote.location' |
| 23:39.52 | wd | abrotman, now i'm at blue box showing grub list.. now what? |
| 23:39.54 | htmlol | and then show the output |
| 23:40.13 | abrotman | no .. acpi=off noapic |
| 23:40.14 | jelly-home | basix: I suppose you already know about thinkwiki.org |
| 23:40.19 | sarthor | htmlol, OK. |
| 23:41.08 | jelly-home | will be waiting for T400 |
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| 23:41.50 | basix | jelly-home, no i didnt. thanks! :) btw how is T400 any different ? |
| 23:42.08 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Is that composed of a metal endoskeleton too? |
| 23:42.09 | sarthor | htmlol, http://paste.ubuntu.com/38646/ |
| 23:42.10 | dcestari | hello, anyone knows where is python signal implementations? signal.pyc |
| 23:42.22 | jelly-home | basix: newer chipset for one thing |
| 23:42.25 | dcestari | I'm trying to run pygrub and can't find thoes. |
| 23:42.31 | phlux | How difficult is it to replace the sound card in a laptop? |
| 23:42.37 | JordiGH | dcestari: You can search packages.debian.org for that sort of thing, near the bottom. |
| 23:42.37 | phlux | I might just get a more supported one.. |
| 23:42.54 | htmlol | sarthor: so it worked? |
| 23:42.54 | jelly-home | JordiGH: there'll also be a T500, I guess they're only halfway there |
| 23:43.12 | sarthor | htmlol, i cant login.. there is not prompt. |
| 23:43.19 | JordiGH | IBM will give birth to Skynet? I guess that's appropriate. |
| 23:43.34 | JordiGH | watches Deep Blue warily. |
| 23:43.36 | sarthor | htmlol, i cant write anything.. |
| 23:43.42 | jelly-home | JordiGH: Lenovo |
| 23:43.44 | htmlol | sarthor: from that, it seems like you logged in just fine and there should be a prompt |
| 23:43.53 | htmlol | what happens after that? |
| 23:44.05 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Does IBM have nothing to do with Stinkpad production anymore? |
| 23:44.11 | abrotman | nope |
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| 23:44.31 | jelly-home | JordiGH: they haven't in a while (apart from the brand) |
| 23:44.41 | sarthor | htmlol, nothing..there is not prompt like ..sarthor@..# to write there. |
| 23:44.46 | abrotman | which lenovo is trying to kill :) |
| 23:44.46 | basix | jelly-home, ah...but hows that useful apart from the perspective of future upgrades? are there any significant power / performance benefits that one gets? |
| 23:45.02 | wd | abrotman, not working .. thanks. i'm gonna just reinstall sarge with 2.4.. because i'm not getting this going.. i dont' want to but i have no choice. |
| 23:45.07 | htmlol | sarthor: so it freezes after that? |
| 23:45.20 | jelly-home | basix: usually each new intel chipset gen. brings new power improvements |
| 23:45.24 | abrotman | wd: there should be a way to get it .. you just have to find the magic kernel option |
| 23:45.30 | sarthor | htmlol, yes. exactly....thats what i was unable to explain. |
| 23:45.42 | abrotman | wd: usually some combination of acpi/apic get it going |
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| 23:45.47 | htmlol | sarthor: how long did you wait? |
| 23:46.04 | htmlol | I can't think of any problem. just try waiting I guess. the debug looks just fine. |
| 23:46.10 | sarthor | htmlol, haha. i am calling for help for about 3 days.. and you are the 1st one who replied. |
| 23:46.20 | abrotman | three days? |
| 23:46.26 | htmlol | three days?! |
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| 23:46.33 | sarthor | htmlol, so i am very very much sleepy, but i will wait, coz i need to solve it. |
| 23:46.44 | wd | abrotman, where do i put the "acpi=off noapic" between savedefault and boot or at the end of root (hd0,0)? |
| 23:46.46 | abrotman | sarthor: go to #ubuntu for ubuntu support |
| 23:46.53 | sarthor | yes. you can check my calls on differnet irc chan. |
| 23:46.57 | abrotman | wd: after the end of the root line |
| 23:47.05 | sarthor | in several places. |
| 23:47.07 | htmlol | yes I was going to ask, do you use ubuntu? |
| 23:47.12 | basix | jelly-home, ah i see.. |
| 23:47.16 | abrotman | did you read his paste? |
| 23:47.18 | sarthor | htmlol, yes. i am hardy user. |
| 23:47.32 | abrotman | sarthor: go to #ubuntu for support, we do not support Ubuntu here |
| 23:47.33 | htmlol | oh. yeah there's no support for ubuntu here |
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| 23:47.51 | streuner_ | BS |
| 23:48.00 | streuner_ | 3 days in # |
| 23:48.05 | sarthor | abrotman, i asked for help there., no one replied. i think all are bizi there. thats why i asked here. |
| 23:48.09 | htmlol | abrotman: yeah. I figured. especially since he used the ubuntu pastebin >.> |
| 23:48.12 | streuner_ | 3 days in #debian without reply is BS |
| 23:48.13 | wd | abrotman, ok "root (hd0,0) acpi=off" or "root (hd0,0)apci=off" right? |
| 23:48.15 | abrotman | sarthor: not our problem .. ask ##linux or #ubuntu |
| 23:48.23 | abrotman | wd: with a space |
| 23:48.36 | wd | ok |
| 23:48.36 | streuner_ | ah, that makes sense |
| 23:49.49 | sarthor | abrotman, htmlol was helping me. and i am just a new user for linux, so if this chan can help me, so wat matter i am using ubuntu or other distro? |
| 23:50.01 | abrotman | sarthor: then htmlol and you can go to #ubuntu |
| 23:50.09 | htmlol | I was in denial about you using ubuntu. |
| 23:50.17 | htmlol | I really shouldn't be trying to help if you use ubuntu |
| 23:50.18 | streuner_ | sarthor: we support Debian |
| 23:50.28 | phlux | So let's see if anyone else knows: My laptop speakers won't work. The headphone jack works perfectly. The card is an ATI SB600 |
| 23:50.32 | phlux | Any ideas? |
| 23:50.32 | streuner_ | please respect that |
| 23:51.00 | wd | abrotman, darnit. i tried both.. no go. |
| 23:51.00 | sarthor | Ok. you all are good peopl here. i respect you all. no problem i will ask there. thank you. |
| 23:51.06 | wd | abrotman, rats. |
| 23:51.13 | abrotman | wd: both at the same time ? |
| 23:51.16 | jelly-home | phlux: Which kernel? snd-hda-intel has improved much since 2.6.18. Try the 2.6.24 one |
| 23:51.25 | wd | abrotman, no.. try that? ok |
| 23:51.35 | abrotman | sarthor: thank you for understanding |
| 23:51.38 | magyar | hi, how do i enable pear modules in debian? |
| 23:51.46 | abrotman | magyar: apt-cache search php pear ? |
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| 23:52.06 | opensrcguru | encourages sarthor to use debian, that way we can help him. |
| 23:52.57 | phlux | yeah I'm still 2.6.18, jelly-home. Any good docs on upgrading the kernel? |
| 23:52.59 | dondelelcaro | phlux: alsamixer? check that the speakers are unmuted? |
| 23:53.07 | abrotman | opensrcguru: well .. that too :) |
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| 23:53.34 | htmlol | opensrcguru: that's what I did :D except with sidux not ubuntu |
| 23:53.35 | phlux | dondelelcaro: like I said - the headphones jack works perfect |
| 23:53.39 | wd | abrotman, no. i tried root (hd0,0) acpi-off apic=off and pressed b for boot and still stops loading through. |
| 23:53.49 | jelly-home | dondelelcaro: that alsa driver version is known to be broken on that chipset |
| 23:54.02 | magyar | abrotman: I installed it, but apache2 php is not seeing any modules I install |
| 23:54.03 | wd | abrotman, it reads root, kernel, initrd, savedefault, boot then stops. |
| 23:54.05 | abrotman | wd: that's not what i said |
| 23:54.14 | abrotman | magyar: restarted apache ? |
| 23:54.15 | wd | abrotman, oh |
| 23:54.16 | dondelelcaro | phlux: speakers often have different multing controls than the headphone jack |
| 23:54.21 | magyar | abrotman: yeap |
| 23:54.28 | jelly-home | (at least, it was broken on my SB600 with codec Realtek ALC260) |
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| 23:55.14 | wd | abrotman, i tried them seperate also. |
| 23:55.15 | Hamled|Erp | I have a box that I would like to install debian on. Unfortunately I do not have a monitor or keyboard to connect to it, so I was wondering if there's a way to do a debian install from a CD, and connect via ssh to actually do the install? (I don't know enough about the machine to do an automated install, and I dont' think it can do netboot) |
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| 23:55.34 | abrotman | wd: no .. i mean you didn't do it correctly .. "acpi=off noapic" |
| 23:55.49 | wd | abrotman, rats.. ty |
| 23:56.00 | abrotman | wd: how did you ever make it with gentoo ? :) |
| 23:56.02 | wd | abrotman, with " |
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| 23:56.13 | wd | :) |
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| 23:56.28 | ZOP | Hamled|Erp: not really, you'd have to build a custom install disc that'd startup like that. serial consoles sorta work if your bios supports redirect after post and then you can tell grub to append serial console args to the setup installer. |
| 23:56.44 | jelly-home | phlux: if you're running etch, basically just install linux-image-2.6-686-etchnhalf package and you'll get 2.6.24 |
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| 23:56.52 | abrotman | wd: no |
| 23:57.04 | Hamled|Erp | ZOP, serial console? |
| 23:57.04 | abrotman | !tell Hamled|Erp about ssh install |
| 23:57.06 | wd | abrotman, ok.. time to reinstall |
| 23:57.11 | wd | abrotman, rats rats |
| 23:57.14 | abrotman | wd: you give up too easily :) |
| 23:57.17 | ZOP | sighs, kids. |
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| 23:57.25 | ZOP | yeah, what we used to connect modems with :) |
| 23:57.37 | wd | abrotman, :( |
| 23:57.46 | jelly-home | phlux: apt-cache search linux-image etchnhalf; also /msg dpkg etchnhalf |
| 23:57.52 | abrotman | wd: it's your call .. it's okay .. i understand you just want it to work |
| 23:58.05 | ZOP | if you don't know what it is it's probabyl too much to explain. for install it's often best to get a keyboard+monitor setup because you still may have to set the boot device in the PC bios too. |
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| 23:58.11 | wd | abrotman, i've done it and it didn't work with your expertise, don't want to beat a dead hourse. |
| 23:58.13 | wd | :) |
| 23:58.15 | Hamled|Erp | ZOP, gotcha. Yeah, don't have anything for that |
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| 23:58.49 | Hamled|Erp | well it's already setup to boot from the harddrive it seems |
| 23:58.53 | abrotman | wd: i wouldn't call myself an expert in anything |
| 23:58.53 | wd | abrotman, thats all... i've accomplished alot with debian.. apple mac 1400cs ppc dual boot macos 9 and sarge.. \ |
| 23:58.59 | jelly-home | phlux: what does "cat /proc/asound/card*/codec\#* |grep ^Codec" say? |
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| 23:59.39 | wd | abrotman, now this lap.. sarge on a 40meg ram, 75 mhz.. i've been doing ok.. with all of your help. |
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| 23:59.56 | abrotman | wd: it's just that sarge isn't supported anymore |